[12:00] <crimsun> froust: one can be regenerated by mving your old one and running `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[12:01] <froust> okay
[12:01] <froust> the only thing i didn't do on that howto is this: cho fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/module
[12:01] <froust> (echo)
[12:02] <crimsun> haggai: working on that diff tonight, apologies for my untimeliness.
[12:02] <froust> crim: when i do that, it doesn't create another xorg.conf
[12:03] <cavediver> Is there a tvout faq somewhere? I have never got it to work under linux.
[12:05] <ironwolf> what do people use to turn CD's into mp3's?
[12:05] <froust> hrm.
[12:05] <crimsun> froust: did you try xorgconfig?
[12:05] <borgista> quick question: does Nautilus-cd-burner burn bootable ISOs just fine?
[12:06] <cavediver> ironwolf: grip is great.
[12:06] <borgista> so, i'm better off with grip?
[12:06] <froust> *tries*
[12:06] <cavediver> borgista: yes nautilus burn bootable iso's fine.
[12:07] <ironwolf> cavediver: thanks, I'll give it a try.
[12:07] <kent> borgista, no, dont use grip for burning becaus it cant ;) use nautilus burn :)
[12:07] <borgista> thank you cave and kent.
[12:07] <AndyR> ironwolf, will i need prays?
[12:07] <haggai> crimsun: don't worry I'm really busy myself
[12:07] <ironwolf> AndyR: I'm on hoary.  Somedays you do, somedays you don't.
[12:07] <crimsun> haggai: ok
[12:08] <cavediver> Aint there an application for enabling tvout. Insted of editing xfree86. I just can't get that to worl
[12:09] <froust> crim: should i do a fglrxconfig?
[12:09] <froust> crap. i have to go to work.
[12:09] <crimsun> froust: I'm not familiar with fglrxconfig
[12:10] <crimsun> froust: did xorgconfig fail?
[12:10] <froust> crimsun: no, i had to quit cause i'm going to work... what should i do after the xorgconfig?
[12:10] <crimsun> froust: you'll need to edit it manually
[12:11] <Kirsch__> I can't save a file over sftp in gedit. why?
[12:11] <froust> change ati->fglrx?
[12:11] <Kirsch__> it only lets me open in RO
[12:11] <kent> screem must have a very poor design. it takes ages to start on my computer, and its a fast amd 2400+ with 512mb ram :(
[12:14] <grogoreo> hi
[12:15] <grogoreo> I've just installed Ubuntu on my PC, but I have a problem with my monitor. The one I'm using is a temp one and it is coming up saying that its out of range. How/where can I change the settings in the X11 configs to a lower refresh rate?
[12:17] <alumik> computer -> system -> resolution
[12:17] <grogoreo> i can only use the text mode
[12:17] <ironwolf> cavediver: with grip, just playing the CD sounds horrible.  Like it's being horribly overdriven.
[12:17] <alumik> then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:17] <alumik> with sudo, of course
[12:17] <grogoreo> great thanks
[12:19] <cavediver> ironwolf: really ? No such problems here.
[12:20] <ironwolf> cavediver: stoped grip, CD kept playing.. no cd player running *very odd* so I ejected the CD, re inserted it, and it seems to be working.
[12:21] <cavediver> ironwolf: you will also need some codecs to be able to rip cd's. For example lame.
[12:23] <cavediver> Damn i want my tv-out to work. I have a nvidia card. Can someone help me once and for all ?
[12:24] <alumik> cavediver, wich driver are you using?
[12:24] <ironwolf> cavediver: I've got toolame already installed.
[12:25] <cavediver> alumik: nvidia-glx driver
[12:26] <alumik> cavediver, maybe there is an option for the XF86Config-4
[12:28] <cavediver> alumik: i don't know. I tried the stuff listed on their hp before but never got it to work. I want to be able to show my desktop on both tv and moniter. Dualview or what it's called.
[12:28] <BockBilbo> which mod do the /etc/ files have to have?
[12:28] <BockBilbo> 444?
[12:29] <alumik> cavediver, install linux-restricted-modules-[arch] , maybe there is a man page
[12:29] <crimsun> cavediver: the README is in the nvidia-glx package.
[12:30] <cavediver> alumik: that's installed.
[12:30] <crimsun> cavediver: /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz
[12:30] <crimsun> cavediver: read appendix j
[12:35] <Seq> Has anybody tried the mono apache module?
[12:41] <Hwolf> What is wrong with the repros today!
[12:43] <crimsun> Hwolf: "repros?"
[12:44] <misionero> i can not get ubuntu installed on my pc
[12:44] <misionero> :(
[12:45] <Nermal> more info duh
[12:45] <misionero> well
[12:45] <misionero> it just get to the mount cdrom part
[12:45] <Hwolf> crimsun, the apt-get servers.
[12:45] <misionero> it says that it couldnt mount it
[12:46] <Nermal> pcmcia cdrom drive ?
[12:46] <Nermal> dodgy cdrom ?#
[12:46] <misionero> no it has no pcmcia
[12:46] <crimsun> Hwolf: works fine here. I just updated & upgraded one minute ago.
[12:46] <misionero> its a pentium MMX 200MHz
[12:46] <Nermal> urrgh
[12:46] <Hwolf> crimsun: I keep getting 'can't find package' errors, and I haven't seen the update-notifier all day.
[12:47] <misionero> Nermal: and i cant get it from there 'cause after that says that it cant install a package
[12:48] <misionero> could it be that it was burn wrong
[12:48] <misionero> or maybe the burner didnt burn it right
[12:48] <svenl> fabbione: Mmm.
[12:48] <svenl> fabbione: i am jaleous, it took me 132 minutes to build the kernels.
[12:49] <svenl> fabbione: but setting the ide-dma-diskonly did not help. it is # not set now, but i still get :
[12:49] <svenl> $ sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc
[12:49] <svenl> /dev/hdc:
[12:49] <svenl>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[12:49] <svenl>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[12:49] <svenl>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[12:50] <meltbanana314> does anybody here know of a repository that has the korn shell, or do I have to get it from AT&T directly?
[12:51] <misionero> Nermal: -> can U help me?
[12:52] <svenl> Arg, bugzilla trully sucks again, you have to create an account on bugzilla.ubuntu.com to submit bug reports. I guess i will be installing pure-amd64 debian on this box after all.
[12:53] <Nermal> misionero: not with that information no
[12:53] <Nermal> I'm quite new to ubuntu :|
[12:53] <ironwolf> cavediver: ok, weird.. sounds like hell when playing in grip *no, it's not country* but sounds great when encoded. *shrug* Many thanks!
[12:53] <cavediver> ironwolf: ok :) Maybe the player is buggy, i don't know.
[12:54] <ironwolf> cavediver: you got me encoding, which is what I cared about. *trying not to reboot to Windows unless absolutely needed.
[12:54] <ironwolf> so far so good.
[12:57] <james> Trying to figure out how to do an install RPM or otherwise, anyone have a link of a good place to read about it?
[12:58] <imka> is there a way i can save a private conversation in xchat?
[12:58] <chris_> alright folks... I've forgotten the app that runs which auto-updates GNOME's menu when you install an application - used to use it in gentoo.. but I've forgotten.. any ideas of the name again please?
[12:58] <chris_> imka: yeah, in the settings - logs
[12:59] <chris_> Settings menu -> prefs -> logging -> [x]  enable logging of conversations
[12:59] <imka> chris_ thanks, it's too late for that :/
[12:59] <chris_> can't find it on the forums anyway..
[01:00] <svenl> james: apt-get install alien; man alien
[01:00] <chris_> well.. copy it & er paste into a file? :)
[01:00] <Adrenal> anyone else having trouble signing into aim?
[01:00] <misionero> I think is maybe de CDROM because now it gets to 19% libc6-udeb
[01:00] <imka> ctrl-c ctrl-c doesnt seem to work
[01:00] <svenl> james: but you probably don't really want to do that, most probably the package is also available as .deb.
[01:00] <imka> ctrl-v
[01:01] <james> If I can get this GTKPoD installed i will be set, I cant seem to figure out how to get somthing installed after I extract it
[01:02] <imka> chris_ its possible under window/save conversation
[01:03] <BockBilbo2> hello
[01:04] <BockBilbo2> S.O.S.
[01:04] <BockBilbo2> :S
[01:04] <BockBilbo2> ive deleted all the /etc files...
[01:04] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:04] <Freedomzen> Hi guys just wondering I installed gcc-3.4 from the repo and want to switch from 3.3 to that is there a command to do it?
[01:04] <BockBilbo2> and im trying to recover from it
[01:04] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:04] <chris_> ah, cool imka didn't know that :)
[01:04] <chris_> I normally use irssi...
[01:05] <chris_> so, does anyone know how to update the application (gnome) menu after you've apt/synaptic'd an app?
[01:05] <chris_> there was a daemon that used to run to do it
[01:05] <chris_> but I've forgot the name! :/
[01:05] <Freedomzen> famd
[01:05] <Freedomzen> chris_:
[01:05] <BockBilbo2> ive done what crimsun has told me about restoring inittab and now im in ubuntu...
[01:05] <BockBilbo2> but... doesnt boot correctly
[01:05] <BockBilbo2> ive copied my old warty configuration
[01:05] <chris_> ah, Freedomzen wicked, thanks
[01:06] <BockBilbo2> to this /etc directory in my actual hoary instalation
[01:06] <BockBilbo2> but it seens to not work properly
[01:06] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:06] <BockBilbo2> the x server is broken.. i had xorg in hoary... and when copying the old config... i copied the xfree86 configuration
[01:07] <BockBilbo2> so i just cant get on ubuntu in runlevel 2
[01:07] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:07] <alumik> BockBilbo2, isn't the same filename
[01:07] <BockBilbo2> mmm
[01:07] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:07] <BockBilbo2> alumik so what should i do?
[01:07] <alumik> in xorg the configuration is xorg.conf
[01:07] <BockBilbo2> mmm
[01:08] <chris_> balls, it's not in the sources
[01:08] <chris_> or in univser
[01:08] <chris_> e
[01:08] <BockBilbo2> see.. i have another problem...
[01:08] <BockBilbo2> i can use apt
[01:08] <BockBilbo2> but cannot do apt-get upgrade
[01:08] <BockBilbo2> or dist-upgrade
[01:08] <BockBilbo2> i was thinking in doing that for upgrading the broken system
[01:08] <alumik> any error message?
[01:08] <BockBilbo2> yeah
[01:08] <chris_> have you updated the sources?
[01:08] <BockBilbo2> 404 file not found ::|
[01:08] <chris_> (apt-get update)
[01:08] <BockBilbo2> yyes
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> i have
[01:09] <chris_> hmm
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> and the curious thing about it
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> is that
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> i can install stuff from apt
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> but not do the upgrade
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> or the dist upgrade
[01:09] <chris_> are you using the univsere liss?
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> yes
[01:09] <chris_> lists
[01:09] <chris_> hmm, bizarre
[01:09] <alumik> strange
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> it is...
[01:09] <chris_> proxy ?
[01:09] <BockBilbo2> nope
[01:10] <chris_> just a 404 message?
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> yes
[01:10] <alumik> and updated without errors?
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> no errors
[01:10] <grogoreo_> hi
[01:10] <alumik> maybe the server is down
[01:10] <BockBilbo2> dont think so
[01:11] <alumik> or any transparent proxy
[01:11] <grogoreo_> on Gnome 2.8 how can you turn off spatiul (sorry, can't remember how to spell it) view?
[01:11] <alumik> grogoreo_, use the configuration editor
[01:12] <alumik> apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser
[01:12] <BockBilbo2> alumik nope
[01:12] <BockBilbo2> and... see.. i can do for example
[01:12] <BockBilbo2> apt-get install x-window-system
[01:12] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:12] <grogoreo_> alumik: great thanks
[01:13] <BockBilbo2> im gonna change the repositories back to warty
[01:13] <alumik> BockBilbo2, the only time i get a 404 is when the lists are outdate
[01:13] <BockBilbo2> to see if it works that way
[01:13] <BockBilbo2> yes..
[01:13] <krischan> good evening! To those whp use the BlueFish editor: When I start bluefish as a normal user, bluefish's start-up quits with an error message: 'memory access error'. When I it start via sudo, it suddenly works? Is there a way to get it to work as a normal user? I use "bluefish 0.12".
[01:13] <chris_> Freedomzen: I don't suppose you know if famd, is "fam" -- fam - File Alteration Monitor
[01:13] <BockBilbo2> see this is wierd
[01:13] <piratePenguin> anyone have any idea when the next batch of cd's will be delivered?
[01:13] <BockBilbo2> cause after copying the old config file
[01:13] <piratePenguin> sent out*
[01:14] <BockBilbo2> s
[01:14] <BockBilbo2> when i log in, it says im using warty
[01:14] <james> If the linux communit really wants to expand to the windows users they really need a simple program install guide
[01:14] <BockBilbo2> but im in hoary
[01:14] <alumik> BockBilbo2, what file?
[01:14] <BockBilbo2> dont know
[01:14] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:14] <BockBilbo2> it must be in /etc
[01:14] <BockBilbo2> cause thats what i deleted
[01:14] <BockBilbo2> :S
[01:14] <Hwolf> james, we're aware of that. :-)
[01:15] <Ng> just installed gdesklets from universe on warty and it's not doing anything when I run it, any ideas? :)
[01:15] <BockBilbo2> i was messing around with matlab config... which has an etc directory... and instead of doing rm ./etc/*
[01:15] <BockBilbo2> i did rm /etc/*
[01:15] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:15] <alumik> BockBilbo2, ouch
[01:15] <james> hehehe I have installed linux prolly 12 times over the past 8 years every time I reformat to windows cause I cant seem to get the programs installed
[01:15] <BockBilbo2> so i removed all the configuration files of /etc
[01:15] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:15] <BockBilbo2> yeah... ouch
[01:15] <BockBilbo2> ..
[01:15] <BockBilbo2> i managed to restore the inittab file
[01:16] <LinuxJones> james what programs do you need to install ?
[01:16] <tanek> i've gotten everything to work now, exept guitar pro :)
[01:16] <BockBilbo2> and I copied all the other config files from a warty backup i had
[01:16] <BockBilbo2> but... that was from warty.. and this installation is hoary's
[01:16] <BockBilbo2> ...
[01:16] <alumik> BockBilbo2, i dont know sure if it works, but is possible to reconfigure all the packages
[01:17] <BockBilbo2> how?
[01:17] <alumik> maybe they will create the config
[01:17] <alumik> dpkg-reconfigure --all
[01:17] <Ng> that wouldn't restore a complete /etc
[01:17] <BockBilbo2> :S
[01:17] <Ng> it'll populate a bunch of /etc/default and some other stuff though
[01:17] <Ng> better than nothing ;)
[01:17] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:18] <alumik> in those cases i'll reinstall
[01:18] <BockBilbo2> working
[01:18] <BockBilbo2> ...
[01:18] <BockBilbo2> :s
[01:18] <BockBilbo2> but it sucks.. cause i finally
[01:18] <BockBilbo> hello??
[01:18] <emz> hi i just downloaded and made the iso image however every time i run it i will ask me press enter to boot: and then when i do it will say loading, and then invalid or curropt kernel files
[01:19] <BockBilbo2> bitchx has gone crazy
[01:19] <BockBilbo2> i was saying that it sucks... cause ive just finished configuring the system to my needs
[01:19] <BockBilbo2> :(
[01:20] <LinuxJones> emz, did you download the Warty iso file ?
[01:21] <alumik> BockBilbo2, i keep the home in other partition to save my preferences if i have to reinstall
[01:21] <LinuxJones> emz, sounds like you have a bad cd
[01:22] <emz> linux i just downloaded it
[01:22] <BockBilbo2> mm thats a good idea... will do it next time
[01:23] <alumik> emz, check for the md5sum of the iso
[01:23] <LinuxJones> emz, can you check the md5 sum of the .iso you downloaded
[01:23] <LinuxJones> :D
[01:24] <alumik> :)
[01:25] <emz> how is that done
[01:25] <emz> :)
[01:27] <emz> what should i check it in
[01:27] <alumik> md5sum file.iso
[01:27] <emz> warty-release-install-i386.iso
[01:27] <emz> thats what i got
[01:27] <james> Downloaded gtkpod_0.72-2-2_i386.deb cant seem to find where it went or how to get it installed
[01:27] <alumik> it will take a long time
[01:28] <emz> md5sum is on the cd
[01:28] <crimsun> james: how did you download it?
[01:28] <alumik> then download a file where you get the iso called  warty-release-install-i386.iso.md5sum
[01:29] <alumik> and compare the results
[01:29] <alumik> james, dpkg -i gtkpod_0.72-2-2_i386.deb
[01:30] <james> Used the Debian view?
[01:30] <james> any specific directory?
[01:31] <crimsun> james: did you use apt-get/aptitude/synaptic?
[01:31] <crimsun> james: or did you use wget?
[01:32] <james> Im not usre
[01:32] <james> er sure
[01:32] <crimsun> james: you don't remember how you downloaded it?
[01:32] <james> I didnt send it to synaptic
[01:32] <james> I double clicked the link
[01:32] <crimsun> james: then it's in your home directory, more than likely.
[01:32] <alumik> James, then you must install it
[01:33] <james> so once I find the directory I use that command?
[01:33] <crimsun> james: execute alumik's suggestion from your home directory
[01:36] <james> I like knowing that command, now I gotta find the bugger, its not in my home directory
[01:36] <borgista> ok, i've wasted 2 cd-r's on trying to boot a bootable .iso
[01:36] <borgista> any ideas?
[01:36] <borgista> [i used nautilus-cd-burner] 
[01:36] <james> Thanks alot
[01:36] <crimsun> james: find ~ -name 'gtkpod*deb'
[01:36] <Hwolf> borgista, i've never burned a disc under linux, sorry
[01:36] <borgista> o.k.
[01:36] <borgista> i have under kde.
[01:37] <borgista> but not under gnome.
[01:37] <Riddell> borgista: try using k3b
[01:37] <borgista> ok.
[01:37] <borgista> but i'd rather use a gnome-native app.
[01:38] <LinuxJones> borgista, have you burned a disk using nautilus  ?
[01:38] <borgista> yes.
[01:38] <borgista> an .iso
[01:38] <LinuxJones> it didn't work ?
[01:38] <borgista> nope
[01:38] <borgista> wouldn't boot.
[01:38] <borgista> it was a suse mini-install .iso
[01:38] <LinuxJones> are you sure the .iso is complete
[01:38] <alumik> maybe isn't bootable :)
[01:38] <alumik> mount it
[01:39] <borgista> alright.
[01:39] <alumik> check the md5
[01:40] <borgista> i'll just install k3b
[01:40] <borgista> oh well
[01:41] <Lowry> check sum
[01:41] <Lowry> use good cd's
[01:42] <alumik> borgista, gnome doesn't have a good cd burning app
[01:42] <Lowry> and a good cd burning app
[01:43] <james> heh I remember how to use Pico
[01:43] <james> got an error seems my version is wrong
[01:43] <james> its a thinkpad version I suppose
[01:47] <BockBilbo> alumik,
[01:47] <BockBilbo> ive got it
[01:47] <BockBilbo> :)
[01:48] <BockBilbo> im in the x's right now..
[01:48] <BockBilbo> trying to see if everything works fine
[01:48] <alumik> great :)
[01:48] <[sN] > Hi :D
[01:48] <BockBilbo> :)
[01:48] <BockBilbo> the dpkg-reconfigure --all seens to work
[01:49] <[sN] > How mutch space does Ubuntu need?
[01:49] <crimsun> [sN] : default? 1-2 gigs.
[01:49] <BockBilbo> 1.8gb i think
[01:49] <Hwolf> [sn] , depends on what you want to do with it.
[01:49] <BockBilbo> xD
[01:49] <[sN] > okey
[01:49] <[sN] > i have a disk 2gb, layin.
[01:49] <[sN] > I just wanna test it
[01:50] <[sN] > and i dont want to install it on my 160 gigs windows disk
[01:50] <Parallax_> I Havent got sound, what should i do first????
[01:50] <crimsun> Parallax_: pray.
[01:50] <crimsun> Parallax_: seriously, though, what sound chipset?
[01:50] <Hwolf> [sn]  2 gigs is plenty.
[01:50] <[sN] > okey
[01:50] <[sN] > tnx
[01:50] <[sN] > :D
[01:50] <Hwolf> Don't blaim ubuntu for your slow hard old harddisk tho.
[01:50] <Parallax_> ASUS K8V-X
[01:51] <[sN] > Hehe
[01:51] <BockBilbo> alumik, i still have to see if the dist upgrade works now
[01:51] <chris`xchat> hmm, fam is not updating my gnome application menu when I install an application - any ideas?
[01:51] <[sN] > AMD 64 / 6800Gt 1024 mb memory and an 2gig drive :D
[01:51] <Parallax_> SOUNDMAX
[01:51] <crimsun> Parallax_: /join #flood, cat /proc/asound/cards
[01:51] <liquidhex> [sN] , almost my exact setup
[01:51] <[sN] > oh?
[01:51] <[sN] > what does you have?
[01:52] <crimsun> Parallax_: the snd_intel8x0 module should be listed in: lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0
[01:52] <liquidhex> [sN] ,  amd64 3500+, bfg 6800 GT OC, 1gb dual channel platinum OCZ ram
[01:52] <liquidhex> 2 sata drives
[01:52] <[sN] > (yes my english is bad :( )
[01:52] <alumik> mine too
[01:52] <[sN] > :D
[01:52] <Parallax_> sounds interesting
[01:52] <alumik> let's talk XML
[01:52] <[sN] > My first linux :D
[01:53] <omaru> i prefer php... echo "php rocks";
[01:53] <crimsun> alumik: make sure libxml2 is up to date
[01:53] <alumik> dont forget the \n
[01:53] <Parallax_> I cant try it now cos im on Window$ now, i cant live without music
[01:53] <crimsun> Parallax_: well reboot and we'll get sound working.
[01:53] <alumik> Parallax_, then get an ipod
[01:54] <Parallax_> jajaja
[01:54] <Parallax_> ok i will connect shortly
[01:56] <optik> hola alguien que hable spanish
[01:57] <omaru> optik, que pasa
[01:58] <[sN] > bye
[01:58] <Paralla1> im here again
[01:58] <Paralla1> can you help me now?
[01:59] <optik> omaru
[01:59] <optik> omaru, acabo de instalar  ubuntu y rseulta que al termina la instalacion no me pidio que ingresara el password de root
[01:59] <optik> nomas reinicio la maquina
[01:59] <liquidhex> What is a p2p program I can apt get? None of these source ones I download want to compile .. maybe because its amd64..
[01:59] <optik> y solo puedo entra como user
[01:59] <optik> menos como root
[01:59] <optik> me pide password
[01:59] <genaro> optik: Esa es la conducta normal
[01:59] <optik> lo mas raro es que ni ingrese el passwored
[02:00] <omaru> optik, es la conducta normal
[02:00] <omaru> optik,por default viene desactivada la cuenta root, en lugar utiliza sudo
[02:00] <alumik> damn unichrome
[02:00] <Paralla1> I havent got sound, what should i do?, CAN ANY one help me?
[02:00] <crimsun> Paralla1: /join #flood
[02:00] <optik> omaru y como lo hago
[02:00] <Kosh42> Hello...
[02:00] <genaro> optik: para correr cualquier cosa como root, slo debes hacer "sudo ..." y dar la contrasea de tu usuario
[02:00] <omaru> optik, ejemplo sudo apt-get dist-update
[02:01] <crimsun> optik: #ubuntu-es may help
[02:01] <Kosh42> Quick Q?
[02:01] <crimsun> Paralla1: waiting for you to join.
[02:01] <omaru> optik, si quieres habilitar la cuenta root puedes hacerlo con sudo passwd
[02:01] <Kosh42> Just intalled Hoary and I understand the ATI 64 drivers are in apt... Anyone know where to find them or the package name?
[02:01] <alumik> Paralla1, use lspci to see what card is
[02:01] <Kosh42> Can't find it...
[02:02] <genaro> Kosh42: Trsy apt-cache search ati
[02:02] <genaro> Kosh42: Try apt-cache search ati
[02:02] <omaru> optik, este link te puede ayudar http://guia-ubuntu.org/ubuntu4.10/
[02:08] <pd> im about to reinstall as hoary ;)
[02:17] <Stew2> where can I get the current ISO image for Hoary?
[02:18] <daniels> Stew2: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com
[02:19] <varla> hi there
[02:19] <varla> does anyone know a website for web cam on ubuntu?
[02:20] <alumik> Jan 22 02:10:56 localhost last message repeated 1046 times
[02:20] <randabis> hey daniels, I just wanted to let you know that my friend and I got his radeon igp 345m working with 3d accelleration finally
[02:21] <alumik> cool
[02:21] <LinuxJones> varla, do a search on google for the model of your webcam and debian
[02:21] <BockBilbo> crimsun, is there a way to now which ubuntu version i am using?
[02:22] <BockBilbo> im supposely have hoary... but in the terminal welcome message it says i have warty
[02:22] <randabis> he had tried installing the fglrx driver first and obviously that driver won't work, so for some reason the ati or radeon drivers in xorg would not work until the fglrx driver package was completely removed
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> BockBilbo: have you rebooted or re logged in since upgrading
[02:22] <crimsun> BockBilbo: /etc/issue will tell you.
[02:22] <BockBilbo> crimsun,
[02:22] <genaro> BockBilbo: Check your /etc/apt/source.lst file
[02:22] <BockBilbo> i was jus rading it
[02:23] <BockBilbo> genaro, HrdwrBoB my problem is not about that
[02:23] <BockBilbo> ;)
[02:23] <alumik> BockBilbo /etc/debian_version
[02:23] <BockBilbo> i removed all the /etc/ configuration files
[02:23] <BockBilbo> thanks alumik
[02:23] <HrdwrBoB> wtf?
[02:23] <alumik> but it allways says unstable
[02:23] <crimsun> alumik: no, it should read 3.1
[02:24] <BockBilbo> it says testing/unstable
[02:24] <alumik> $ cat /etc/debian_version
[02:24] <alumik> testing/unstable
[02:24] <BockBilbo> so.. does it mean i have hoary?
[02:25] <alumik> maybe not, remember that ubuntu is a fork of sid
[02:25] <BockBilbo> ...
[02:25] <genaro> Mine says testing/unstable too and I'm warty
[02:25] <BockBilbo> yes
[02:25] <BockBilbo> oh..
[02:25] <BockBilbo> there must be another way
[02:26] <buga> fgrep -i ubuntu /etc/issue
[02:26] <BockBilbo> i remember that when i had debian, one guy told me to see a number somewhere... and depending on it, if it was positive... it meant that i had SID...
[02:26] <genaro> Try finding out the version of some package that has a different version in Warty
[02:26] <alumik> but you can have warty and hoary mixed
[02:26] <BockBilbo> but the issue says nothing
[02:26] <genaro> alumik: I have only warty
[02:27] <crimsun> alumik: did you upgrade from warty to hoary?
[02:27] <BockBilbo> cause my issue says im using warty
[02:27] <alumik> crimsun, some packages
[02:27] <BockBilbo> but thats just cause the issue file i've restored comes from a warty installation
[02:28] <BockBilbo> anyone has an idea of how to check it?
[02:28] <crimsun> BockBilbo: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l libc6|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}'
[02:28] <alumik> whoa
[02:28] <BockBilbo> 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu2
[02:28] <BockBilbo> crimsun, what ubuntu version is that?
[02:29] <crimsun> BockBilbo: you're running Hoary then.
[02:29] <BockBilbo> :D
[02:29] <BockBilbo> so
[02:29] <BockBilbo> i guess i would have to change the issue file
[02:29] <BockBilbo> ...
[02:29] <BockBilbo> thanks a lot crimsun
[02:29] <crimsun> not really important.
[02:29] <BockBilbo> yeah..
[02:29] <BockBilbo> its just a "welcome message"
[02:29] <alumik> the really important is the sources.list
[02:29] <BockBilbo> right?
[02:29] <BockBilbo> the sources are alright
[02:29] <buga> issue is a config file from the base-files package
[02:29] <genaro> crimsun: I'm speechless!
[02:29] <crimsun> essentially.
[02:30] <crimsun> genaro: eh?
[02:30] <buga> if you've modified it, it won't be updated
[02:30] <BockBilbo> and ive been able to do the dist upgrade to see if it has fixed all my problens
[02:30] <BockBilbo> ..
[02:30] <BockBilbo> from now i see no problems...
[02:30] <alumik> then don't touch it! :)
[02:31] <BockBilbo> lol... i can see that i have restored my system from an important damage
[02:31] <BockBilbo> lol
[02:31] <BockBilbo> xD
[02:31] <genaro> crimsun: Nice move! The libc6 version...
[02:31] <crimsun> genaro: just lucky it differs noticeably from the warty version.
[02:32] <Scooter> NEAT) there is a new HOARY installer everyone :D
[02:32] <LinuxJones> Scooter, is it graphical ?
[02:32] <BockBilbo> which is the issue for hoary?
[02:32] <alumik> Jan 21 15:21:04 localhost last message repeated 3065 times
[02:32] <alumik>  XD
[02:32] <BockBilbo> i mean, the text
[02:32] <buga> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
[02:32] <BockBilbo> thanks
[02:33] <BockBilbo> fixed
[02:33] <BockBilbo> :)
[02:34] <LinuxJones> Scooter, where is the link to that ?
[02:34] <liquidhex> I have been looking at these apache config files for like an hour now.. I know that its using /var/www/apache2-default/ as the main dir-tree, but when i put in my dynamic DNS it actually comes up http://www.host.com/apache2-default/index.html
[02:34] <liquidhex> how can i make it just /index.html
[02:35] <BockBilbo> well.. thanks to all! crimsun , alumik , genaro , buga, HrdwrBoB  :D
[02:35] <buga> liquidhex: what's your documentroot in the apache config? /var/www?
[02:36] <IRCUser> hiya
[02:36] <IRCUser> i hear ubuntu array 3 is out :)
[02:36] <IRCUser> gonna burn now
[02:37] <Stew2> daniels thanks
[02:39] <[sN] > Hi
[02:40] <[sN] > I want to install ubuntu
[02:40] <dafox7> anybody knows how to play midi on ubuntu ?
[02:40] <liquidhex> buga- "server root" says /etc/apache
[02:40] <[sN] > does i only have to put in the cd?
[02:40] <robertj> found it
[02:40] <[sN] > couse it wont boot!
[02:40] <sladen> dafox7: timidiy and soundfonts
[02:41] <[sN] > ?
[02:41] <buga> dafox7: one possibility is using timidity and pmidy
[02:41] <buga> sorry, pmidi
[02:41] <IRCUser> does array 3 work fine with x.org?
[02:41] <genaro> sN: Change your mainboard setup so it boots first from CD
[02:41] <IRCUser> im dying to try array 3
[02:41] <IRCUser> but
[02:41] <IRCUser> im kinda afraid of betas :P
[02:41] <mjt> what's array 3?
[02:41] <[sN] > but i have done thaT
[02:42] <mjt> the hoary beta?
[02:42] <[sN] > i used daemon tools to open the img, and then i coy it with Roxio
[02:42] <[sN] > maybe thats wrog?
[02:42] <buga> liquidhex: do you use default configuration?
[02:42] <[sN] > me?
[02:42] <liquidhex> buga, yes
[02:42] <dafox7> buga, it says that I don't have a sequencer :-(
[02:43] <Dethread> [sN] , BIOS set to boot from CD?
[02:43] <[sN] > Yeas i have done that
[02:43] <alumik> dafox7, maybe you have to load the sequencer module of your soundcard
[02:43] <dafox7> alumik, how ?
[02:43] <dafox7> alumik, i have a soundblaster live!
[02:43] <pixelmonkey> is the best way to upgrade to Hoary to change all instances of warty to hoary in sources.list and do an apt-get dist-upgrade?
[02:43] <genaro> sN: It is all it is needed. How old is your mainboard?
[02:43] <buga> liquidhex: then your documentroot is specified in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default file
[02:44] <[sN] > all new
[02:44] <Dethread> [sN] , I'm not sure whether mounting the image and burning from there might have screwed it up. Why don't you burn the image directly using Nero or something?
[02:44] <crimsun> pixelmonkey: dist-upgrade after update
[02:44] <buga> liquidhex: i guess it is /var/www
[02:44] <[sN] > AMD64
[02:44] <liquidhex> buga, omg if your right i love u
[02:44] <pixelmonkey> crimsun: right...
[02:44] <[sN] > nero wont work with my DVD burner
[02:44] <genaro> pixelmonkey: apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:44] <[sN] > what else can i use to burn cds?
[02:44] <alumik> dafox7, i have no idea
[02:44] <buga> liquidhex: so you have to put your index.html to /var/www
[02:45] <pixelmonkey> what is the release date for Hoary?
[02:45] <Paralla1> April
[02:45] <Dethread> same as for Gnome :)
[02:45] <IRCUser> harry potter is on
[02:45] <IRCUser> :P
[02:45] <liquidhex> buga
[02:45] <IRCUser> anyways
[02:45] <liquidhex> thanks so much
[02:45] <[sN] > ?
[02:45] <liquidhex> im gonna fool around with this
[02:45] <IRCUser> pixelmonkey:  Array 3 just came out
[02:45] <[sN] > a good image burner?
[02:45] <IRCUser> if u dont mind betas :P
[02:45] <liquidhex> brb!
[02:45] <alumik> [sN] , cdrecord :)
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> [sN] : right click, 'write to disc'
[02:46] <[sN] > but where do i get that kind of choice?
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> use nautilus
[02:47] <[sN] > i run windows now
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> oooh
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> ok you can burn it using nero or whatever
[02:48] <Scooter> <[sN] > BurnAtOnce is a free alternative too :) small, fast, and Free :D
[02:48] <emz> wow, ubuntu boot keeps telling me invalid or curropt kernel, and i checked the md5sums its the same
[02:48] <IRCUser> im burning hoary livecd daily snapshot now
[02:48] <IRCUser> im too afraid to use it on the hd yet :)
[02:49] <[sN] > thanx
[02:49] <RSM> Hey all. Can someone help me with my Ubuntu install?
[02:49] <RSM> I'm a linux n00b.
[02:49] <RSM> :(
[02:49] <emz> rsm
[02:49] <emz> is it saying curropt kernal?
 sure ask away :D
[02:49] <emz> im having the same trouble, and im a n00b to
[02:49] <emz> w00t
[02:50] <RSM> http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=34&threadid=1498411&enterthread=y
[02:50] <RSM> linky to m probelm
[02:51] <melazyboy> How do i stop gdm from starting, its killing linux and i can't ctrl+alt+bkspace out in time i need to reconfigure my xorg.conf
[02:51] <melazyboy> is there anything you can hold on boot that will prevent x/g/kdm from starting
[02:51] <IRCUser> hogwartz
[02:53] <optyk> melazyboy: boot to runlevel 1
[02:53] <oneifreak> melazyboy, tried booting the recovery mode (selected in the grub bootloader)?
[02:53] <melazyboy> yea im using recovery mode -- i just wanted to see if there was another method of doing it
[02:54] <emz> please can i get some help please?
[02:55] <crimsun> melazyboy: just temporarily rename the script in /etc/init.d
[02:55] <crimsun> melazyboy: (e.g., mv /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/init.d/notgdm)
[02:57] <chrismurf> anybody here using Hoary+Beagle?
[02:58] <RSM> Anyone feel like helping me?
[02:58] <mindphasr> chrismurf: Getting errors with dbus?
[02:58] <emz> me to please?
[02:58] <chrismurf> mindphasr: haven't gotten that far - I think it's a dependency issue with the hoary packages
[02:58] <sangriag> anybody installed warty in amd64?
[02:58] <genaro> RSM: What is your problem?
[02:58] <chrismurf> mindphasr: libgtksourceview-cil and libgtksourceview-common
[02:59] <mebaran> Anybody heard anything about Evolution ofr AMD64
[02:59] <RSM> genaro: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=34&threadid=1498411&enterthread=y
[02:59] <mebaran> mine is completely screwed
[02:59] <chrismurf> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/gtksourceview-1.0/language-specs/nemerle.lang', which is also in package libgtksourceview-common
[02:59] <BockBilbo> byeee
[02:59] <BockBilbo> and thnanks againnn
[02:59] <chrismurf> that's from the output
[02:59] <mindphasr> chrismurf: ah..if I recall they depend on versions not in hoary or older versions?
[02:59] <IRCUser> 2005 is the year of linux! :)
[02:59] <IRCUser> Linux Inc.
[02:59] <emz> please can you help me, id like to use ubuntu, but it wont boot?!
[02:59] <crimsun> chrismurf: I chose to remove libgtksourceview-cil
[03:00] <chrismurf> well, beagle depends on the cil one I think
[03:00] <chrismurf> maybe not - but the instructions say to install it
[03:00] <chrismurf> and it depends on common
[03:00] <chrismurf> so when i install cil, it installs common, and the conflict on that nemerle file (who uses nemerle anyway??)
[03:01] <StolenShoeBox> how do i find my local ip address
[03:01] <chris`xchat> ifconfig
[03:02] <StolenShoeBox> thx
[03:02] <chris`moo> nps
[03:03] <chrismurf> crimsun: do you know if -cil is required by beagle
[03:04] <crimsun> chrismurf: check the Depends for beagle
[03:04] <crimsun> (I don't have beagle installed)
[03:05] <genaro> chau
[03:05] <chrismurf> crimsun: oh - it's not a package - that's the problem
[03:05] <chrismurf> mindphasr: do you know if beagle really needs the -cil package?
[03:06] <mindphasr> chrismurf: No, not really sure.. I think so though
[03:07] <melazyboy> how do i find the busid for a card, lspci? then i see 0000:01:00.0 does that mean 00:01:00 is the busid?
[03:07] <chrismurf> mindphasr: okay - it's probably just a conflict between cil and common temporarily
[03:08] <mjt> anyone know if there's a way to get "multimedia keyboard" keys to be properly recognized by xfree86 on 2.6 kernel?  I see the key events in /dev/input/eventN (KEY_VOLUMEUP etc), but xev is silent...
[03:09] <mindphasr> chrismurf: Yeah - I had the same -problem. I however had older versions in my cache that I used to resolve the dependency..about a week ago
[03:09] <crimsun> chrismurf: according to http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BeagleInstallHowto , yes.
[03:10] <chrismurf> crimsun: yeah - those are the instructions I'm following, but there's weird conflicts going on.  Tnx though
[03:10] <ycco> man, do I have some data sorting to do...  I've got about 7 years worth of backups and crap saved that equal like over 30gigs of crap.  (tons of redundant files and such)
[03:10] <ycco> heh
[03:10] <ycco> crimsun: heyaz bud
[03:10] <crimsun> ycco: heya.
[03:10] <ycco> crimsun: The problem with my monitor...  There was something around it causing the on-screen distortion.  I moved it away and didn't have any problems.
[03:11] <ycco> which is good, cause I can't really afford to buy a new monitor ATM.
[03:11] <crimsun> ycco: excellent.
[03:11] <ycco> I can't wait to get my wifes box moved from RH9 to Ubuntu.
[03:12] <ycco> crimsun: yah... super good.
[03:12] <ycco> I'm moving every box I can to Ubuntu.
[03:12] <ycco> heh
[03:12] <buga> melazyboy: the format is busid:slot.func
[03:13] <chrismurf> mindphasr: Thanks for the help
[03:13] <mindphasr> np
[03:13] <melazyboy> ycco: Heaters and fans are known to do cause magnetic distrubances that can cause that, as well as old clocks, and vacuum cleaners, and amps
[03:13] <mindphasr> Whats that program to test apt-get sources speed?
[03:14] <mebaran> EVOLUTION!!!!!
[03:14] <ycco> melazyboy: hmmm, I was next to a in-wall heater/ac unit.
[03:14] <mebaran> anybody know about the problems in that package yet for AMD64 that makes it unusuable on my machine
[03:14] <mebaran> I need a pop3 email client and contact manger
[03:14] <melazyboy> ycco: Try turning the heater off and see if it goes away, if it was a heater you would see lots of micro-giggling of sort
[03:14] <ycco> melazyboy: well, I'm far enough away now.... so... if that was it, no worries now ;)
[03:15] <ycco> The odd thing is, I've been there for the longest time and it didn't effect it.
[03:15] <ycco> (or so it seemed)
[03:15] <Grev> how can I find out what version a kernel driver is
[03:15] <melazyboy> ycco: our stupid **** school district had them put this big heating unit above our computer lab and it was so bad they had to move half of the lab
[03:15] <chris`moo> nn
[03:16] <ycco> melazyboy: hehe
[03:16] <Quest-Master> Is it possible to directly burn a .bin file to a CD and it will be bootable?
[03:16] <qcompson> yes, you need a .cue file as well
[03:16] <Neo_654> Is there anythink close to the same as Dreamweaver MX for Linux?
[03:16] <melazyboy> Quest-Master: I think that would be dependant on the bin file
[03:17] <mebaran> Neo_654: I am looking for the same
[03:18] <Neo_654> mebaran: I'm checking out Nvu right now but don't like that it can't set up a local and a remote setting.
[03:18] <Lowry> neo -open office
[03:18] <sangriag> quanta.sf.net is good like Dreamweaver
[03:18] <Quest-Master> qcompson: Exactly, thanks. ;)
[03:18] <Quest-Master> Quanta is the BOMB.
[03:18] <ycco> Okies... bbiab,  Going to try and stick this WG311 PCI wireless adapter in my boxen.
[03:18] <ycco> :)
[03:19] <Neo_654> Ok will check out Quanta now.  Thanks.
[03:19] <Quest-Master> None of my GTK-based editors are able to open remote files, and Quanta can.
[03:19] <qcompson> is anyone running xfce 4.2?
[03:19] <Neo_654> Nvu opens the files on the remote other than setting the local path and ftping when told to.
[03:19] <Quest-Master> qcompson: I was going to use it, but couldn't figure out keyboard shortcuts which I can't live without
[03:19] <Quest-Master> Nvu is nice, but I like to write my stuff with hand. No WYSIWYG for me.
[03:20] <sangriag> qcompson: yes
[03:20] <sangriag> in 32bit
[03:20] <dustigroove> play with quanta plus, nvu, bluefish, and screem... pick a fav
[03:20] <Neo_654> I understand that and I do the same but like to look as I go.
[03:20] <Quest-Master> Screem was pretty buggy for me. :( Looked awesome though.
[03:20] <qcompson> sangriag: how do you like it?
[03:20] <sangriag> I didn't like 4.2 XFCE compared to the its predessors! :-(
[03:20] <Quest-Master> :o
[03:21] <Quest-Master> I barely noticed any difference, let alone a negative difference :(
[03:21] <qcompson> sangriag: bummer... I tried to install through apt on warty but had probs
[03:21] <Quest-Master> I installed it with ease.. worked really nicely
[03:21] <sangriag> qcompson: did you use their repository?
[03:22] <sangriag> in sources.list
[03:22] <qcompson> yeah I did... ran into a bunch of dependancy issues
[03:22] <IRCUser> awesome
[03:22] <sangriag> it won't
[03:22] <IRCUser> the latest hoary livecd works!
[03:22] <IRCUser> about time x was setup :)
[03:22] <Quest-Master> How stable is Hoary now?
[03:23] <IRCUser> quest:  Livecd works great :)
[03:23] <dustigroove> anyone using networkmanager w/ warty?
[03:23] <IRCUser> quest:  A couple of software problems
[03:23] <IRCUser> in the latest snapshot
[03:23] <IRCUser> the next release tho should be nice
[03:24] <Quest-Master> Can't wait till Hoary becomes Warty.
[03:24] <IRCUser> ?
[03:24] <IRCUser> quest that makes no sense
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Wait
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> hoary becomes stable he means
[03:25] <Quest-Master> I'm confused on the whole naming thing.
[03:25] <IRCUser> quest-master:  Read what u wrote :)
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Yeah.
[03:25] <IRCUser> it didnt come out right
[03:25] <sangriag> qcompson: http://www.os-works.com/view/debian/ to get the XFCE work
[03:25] <IRCUser> but yeah ok
[03:25] <Quest-Master> So after Hoary there will be another name for the unstable release?
[03:25] <thully_> I think he means when Hoary becomes stable and grumpy becomes the unstable release
[03:25] <Quest-Master> Oh.
[03:25] <Quest-Master> I see.
[03:25] <qcompson> sangriag: that's what I used...
[03:26] <dustigroove> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases
[03:26] <ogra> thully_: grumpy == bendy (the name was changed)
[03:27] <chris`moo> hmm, where can I change the port that VNC uses, which comes with ubuntu (the server)
[03:27] <chris`moo> i.e. listens on
[03:28] <qcompson> sangriag: you have warty, used those sources and it installed w/o a hitch?
[03:29] <Quest-Master> I wonder when they will run out of names for the distributions. :o
[03:30] <Kakalto> Is it much trouble in ubuntu to re-compile your kernel?
[03:31] <dustigroove> antsy antelope
[03:31] <dustigroove> jerky jackelope?
[03:32] <dustigroove> i imagine they'll have some creative names as long as there are funny little critters
[03:37] <LinuxJones> Kakalto, if you are interested in learning about your hardware it is a great exercise. Very frustrating the first 10 times you do it till you get it right :D
[03:37] <Kakalto> LinuxJones; I am coming from Gentoo, where you must compile your kernel, just to install ;)
[03:38] <Kakalto> Therefore I know my hardware, but I was just wondering if the kernel compile interface is teh same on ubuntu
[03:38] <LinuxJones> Kakalto, oh well just install build-essential && kernel-source and away you go :)
[03:38] <chrismurf> Kakalto: I came from Gentoo as well
[03:38] <Kakalto> then it comes up with the select list?
[03:38] <Kakalto> chrismurf: kewl,
[03:38] <chrismurf> Kakalto: it takes some getting used to - you get used to installing a lot of -dev packages
[03:39] <Kakalto> I'm staying with Gentoo (atleast for a while) on one of my comps, but I'm gonna install ubuntu on my old comp
[03:39] <chrismurf> I did that split on my laptop and desktop, but I just barely converted over my desktop to ubuntu as well
[03:40] <LinuxJones> Kakalto, once you get used to Ubuntu you will love it.
[03:40] <chrismurf> He speaks sooth.
[03:40] <Kakalto> well, I don't exactly want to take Gentoo off my computer which took atleast a few days to install
[03:40] <chrismurf> :nods:
[03:41] <Kakalto> plus, I like my "emerge" command ;)
[03:41] <darkgamer20> hello everyone
[03:41] <darkgamer20> anyone know how to setup printing with cups?
[03:41] <chrismurf> yeah - you get used to apt-get.  not quite the same (read "not quite as good ;-)" but decent
[03:41] <LinuxJones> Kakalto,  you can back up your Gentoo install to cd before installing Ubuntu
[03:42] <Kakalto> true...
[03:42] <Kakalto> I could make my comp a real slut - win, ubuntu, gentoo
[03:42] <Kakalto> all three
[03:42] <chrismurf> you could do that
[03:42] <Kakalto> 0_o
[03:42] <Kakalto> :D
[03:42] <chrismurf> I've been there, but there's not really any reason in the long haul
[03:42] <occy> crimsun: still awake?
[03:42] <chrismurf> unless you're a dev.
[03:42] <occy> heh
[03:42] <chrismurf> anyway- I'm out
[03:42] <chrismurf> later
[03:43] <LinuxJones> chrismurf, if your running genttoo yeah I would agree with that
[03:43] <occy> modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting hw_random (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/char/hw_random.ko): No such device
[03:43] <darkgamer20> what is the user and password i enter when trying to setup a printer through cups?
[03:43] <Kakalto> seeya chrismurf
[03:43] <chrismurf> occy: ignore it
[03:43] <chrismurf> occy: or visit:
[03:43] <occy> chrismurf: sorta hard to ignore when it like... stops booting.
[03:43] <occy> chrismurf: :)
[03:43] <occy> chrismurf: It's Dead Jim[tm] 
[03:44] <chrismurf> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#booterrors
[03:44] <Kakalto> Would it be possible for me to install gnome onto my gentoo rig from teh ubuntu cd?
[03:44] <occy> chrismurf: lemme take a look. :)
[03:44] <chrismurf> go there :-)  The wiki is a good place to start for that stuff - also, ubuntuguide.org
[03:44] <darkgamer20> hey chrismurf you think you could help me?
[03:45] <LinuxJones> Kakalto, why not just install using portage ?
[03:45] <chrismurf> darkgamer20: just use the printer tool in the menu
[03:45] <occy> yeah, if I add that to the /etc/hotplug/blacklist   Then I don't get my Network card (eth0) while the Wireless network card is in there too.
[03:45] <Kakalto> 'cause I don't want to go through my 2gb cap real quick, and I also don't want to go through a 14 hour downloading AND compiling session
[03:46] <Kakalto> I mean, a third of the time was just downloading
[03:46] <occy> The Network card gave some odd info in dmesg.
[03:46] <occy> heh
[03:46] <Kakalto> the ubuntu gnome settings are screwy
[03:46] <occy> the wireless network card that is.
[03:46] <occy> aix100 ?
[03:46] <Kakalto> *not gnome, grub
[03:46] <occy> hmm something like that.
[03:47] <Kakalto> it's quite a bit of effort to get ubuntu dual-booting with win, isn't it?
[03:47] <chrismurf> occy: dunno about your networking errors, but the pci---blah and hw_random stuff can be ignored.  It's just whining about enhanced PCI and stuff.
[03:47] <occy> it said something to the effect of... "YOu were duped into buying an aix100 chipset when you should have bought the lucent chip(or something)"
[03:47] <occy> chrismurf: no worries, thanks
[03:47] <darkgamer20> chrismurf: I tried that but my printer dose not print
[03:48] <chrismurf> occy: ahhh - that probably means you're screwed :-) wireless support is not my strong suit, but my successes have been minimal.
[03:48] <chrismurf> darkgamer20: dunno - sorry - good luck
[03:48] <LinuxJones> Kakalto, did you apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ?
[03:49] <occy> it had a website to visit. heh
[03:49] <occy> I'll probably have to boot the live cd again
[03:50] <occy> to kill that hw_random
[03:50] <occy> damnit
[03:50] <occy> yeah
[03:50] <Kakalto> LinuxJones; I'd rather configure grub myself, then I know if it'll work or not
[03:50] <Kakalto> I configured grub myself for gentoo, but ubuntu won't let me without a major mess
[03:52] <LinuxJones> Kakalto, your having trouble running windows ?
[03:52] <Kakalto> yeah
[03:52] <Kakalto> I can't remember teh exact boot error
[03:52] <Kakalto> but, that was on another comp
[03:53] <LinuxJones> Kakalto, ms doesnt' want to play with other operating systems
[03:54] <LinuxJones> but there was a grub error a while back...you running warty or hoary ?
[03:54] <Kakalto> Jones, I know how anti-social win is
[03:55] <LinuxJones> :)
[03:55] <Kakalto> warty, I haven't messed with hoary
[03:56] <LinuxJones> I recall reading that hoary fixes that problem but I don't run any MS products so I can't confirm it. As you are a Gentoo guy your used to being on the bleeding edge :D
[03:57] <occy> damn... can't find my Ubuntu Live cd....
[03:57] <occy> oh, wait, I think it's upstairs
[03:57] <Necrosan> lol
[03:57] <Necrosan> dualbooting is simple
[03:57] <Necrosan> Kakalto: You can dualboot with standard grub. I do. :)
[03:57] <Necrosan> (well i set a friends up like that)
[03:58] <Paralla1> does anyone know how to set up xinerama for dual screen
[03:58] <occy> whew, found it.
[03:59] <occy> What a great rescue disc.
[03:59] <Paralla1> i want to have a long desktop on 2 screens, Can any one help?
[03:59] <NetwrkMonkey> bbl
[04:01] <nestle-iced-tea> What is a p2p program that I can apt get?
[04:01] <Paralla1> amule
[04:01] <nestle-iced-tea> or will actually compile on ubunto amd64
[04:01] <robertj> wget
[04:01] <robertj> well wget apache
[04:01] <nestle-iced-tea> i searched synaptic for 'amule'
[04:01] <nestle-iced-tea> nothing there
[04:02] <optik> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
[04:02] <optik> Creando rbol de dependencias... Hecho
[04:02] <optik> E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete amule
[04:02] <optik> ??????
[04:02] <nestle-iced-tea> There is no amule package
[04:03] <optik> how to for install ?
[04:03] <Paralla1> have u modified the apt sources?
[04:03] <nestle-iced-tea> no?
[04:03] <Paralla1> well , w are u waiting for?
[04:04] <Paralla1> uncomment /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:06] <Kirsch_> hey guys, how do I create a menu in my Gnome Applications menu?
[04:07] <randabis> warty?
[04:07] <randabis> in warty nautilus applications:///
[04:07] <occy> ahhh, it's acx100   is the name of it.
[04:07] <randabis> I don't know how to in hoary
[04:07] <IRCUser> warty or hoary!!
[04:08] <thully_> Has anybody got the "hibernate" button on ThinkPads to activate hibernate on Hoary?
[04:10] <nestle-iced-tea> Paralla1, ok, now how do i take these changes into effect?
[04:10] <nestle-iced-tea> Do I have to update?
[04:11] <robertj> Does anyone else dislike the stacked blue arrows WiFi Meeter?
[04:13] <nestle-iced-tea> holy crap
[04:13] <nestle-iced-tea> uncommenting that source file
[04:13] <nestle-iced-tea> is a dream
[04:14] <LucidVisions> Well,well. This is quite faster than my gentoo install
[04:14] <LucidVisions> hello all
[04:14] <dustigroove> no, working on the same thing thully
[04:14] <nestle-iced-tea> yeah.. im loving ubuntu
[04:15] <LucidVisions> its (For me) Increadably faster,very snappy indeed.
[04:15] <nestle-iced-tea> 64bit OWNS
[04:15] <nestle-iced-tea> this is the only distro ive tried.. out of like 4.. where it worked right out the box
[04:16] <Quest-Master> Why do I get permission errors when I try to empty my wastebasket?
[04:16] <Quest-Master> Is there anyone way to sudo and empty my wastebasket?
[04:16] <LucidVisions> thats cool i think to have everything work from the get-go
[04:16] <LucidVisions> I was running gentoo for the last 2 months
[04:17] <LinuxJones> Quest-Master, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[04:17] <LucidVisions> but now this is faster,and i dont have to compile everything from source
[04:17] <LucidVisions> hehe
[04:17] <Quest-Master> LinuxJones: And then?
[04:17] <LinuxJones> Quest-Master, I had some problem like 4 months ago with gnome :P
[04:17] <Quest-Master> Odd
[04:17] <LinuxJones> Quest-Master, logout and then log back in
[04:17] <robertj> what are you doing with your 64 bit that OWNS?
[04:18] <nestle-iced-tea> robertj take it easy
[04:18] <nestle-iced-tea> im just excited to have amd64 linux
[04:18] <drspin> hey all
[04:19] <drspin> how can I make XMMS the default player for mp3?
[04:19] <korg815> hello...I got a quick question about ubuntu...can anyone help?
[04:19] <drspin> korg815: ask your question
[04:20] <swim> hay ho
[04:20] <korg815> I installed it and all...when I su it asks me for the password...but in the install it never asked for one...what's the default pass for root?
[04:20] <swim> is there still a mail checker for the panel?
[04:20] <drspin> korg815: root is diasbled by default
[04:20] <drspin> use sudo
[04:21] <korg815> ahh cool
[04:21] <pixelmonkey> korg815, I believe Ubuntu by default uses your user password for accessing applications as root
[04:21] <korg815> that's new to me
[04:21] <Zotnix> kogorman, some weird reasoning for it.
[04:21] <drspin> korg815: you can enable the root account but you can look that up on the wiki if it's that important to you ;)
[04:21] <dustigroove> to get a root prompt, sudo -s
[04:21] <Zotnix> However some things won't work in that mode
[04:21] <korg815> I'll just  use sudo from now on
[04:22] <drspin> korg815: good call -- the password is the same as for your account
[04:22] <korg815> one more question...how come I don't need a swap partition?
[04:22] <drspin> korg815: how much RAM?
[04:22] <pixelmonkey> korg815, if you have a lot of memory, you may not need one
[04:22] <korg815> 256
[04:22] <korg815> err...512
[04:22] <pixelmonkey> korg815, eek, you need one! :)
[04:23] <drspin> come to think of it... I don't know if I have a swap...
[04:23] <drspin> (should have)
[04:23] <pixelmonkey> korg815, I'd recommend you get a swap with 512MB
[04:23] <korg815> ok cool
[04:23] <pvh> Hello, can anyone explain to me why my Warty torrent can't connect to the tracker?
[04:23] <korg815> thanks...gotta go reinstall
[04:23] <pixelmonkey> jeez
[04:23] <pixelmonkey> no he didn't
[04:23] <linux_galore> yes you need swap...bad ju ju no have swap..evil windows gods make things disappear
[04:23] <Zotnix> I have 384 MB RAM and it gave me 500 MB of swap.
[04:24] <Zotnix> I redid the partition setup anyhow.
[04:24] <pvh> I am getting 'connection error (timeout)' right now, but I didn't see any mention of the tracker being down in the forums.
[04:24] <Zotnix>  /, /boot, and /home
[04:24] <pvh> Hey! There she goes just now! I guess it's back online.
[04:24] <pixelmonkey> Zotnix, as long as /home is on a separate partition, any layout is good...
[04:24] <drspin> LOL -- 1.5x the amount of RAM usually makes for a good swap...
[04:24] <drspin> IMHO
[04:24] <Zotnix> pixelmonkey, yep, it is.
[04:24] <pixelmonkey> drspin: that rule of thumb is rather antiquated
[04:25] <Zotnix> pixelmonkey, I also put / in its own so I can give /home the most space.
[04:25] <drspin> pixelmonkey: yes with larger memory systems especially ;)
[04:25] <Zotnix> I think I overkilled / though
[04:25] <pixelmonkey> drspin: on my desktop machine with 1GB of RAM I only have a 512MB swap
[04:25] <Zotnix> 17 gigs
[04:25] <pixelmonkey> Zotnix: I do CVS compilations on / so I gave it a lot too :)
[04:26] <pixelmonkey> ot question, does anyone here use Wordpress?
[04:26] <Zotnix> I do.
[04:26] <drspin> pixelmonkey: do you max it out?
[04:26] <pixelmonkey> drspin: no, and I even run VMWare there :)
[04:27] <LucidVisions> i am feeling the wrath of my kernel
[04:27] <LinuxJones> Wordpress omg is this like 1985 :D
[04:27] <drspin> pixelmonkey: cool :)
[04:27] <Zotnix> What do you suggest in its place?
[04:27] <Zotnix> Movable Type?
[04:27] <Zotnix> (Bleck)
[04:27] <pixelmonkey> Zotnix, no, that's actually what I was gonna ask
[04:27] <drspin> so how can I make XMMS default player for mp3??
[04:27] <pixelmonkey> Zotnix, I want to switch from CuteNews to Wordpress, recommended over MT?
[04:28] <Zotnix> Never used CuteNews... however WP doesn't have multiple blog support yet. But otherwise it is *very* nice and standards compliant.
[04:28] <linux_galore> gnome-default-applications-properties
[04:29] <Zotnix> MT has a very restrive license at the moment also.
[04:29] <LucidVisions> haha
[04:29] <pixelmonkey> Zotnix, interesting...
[04:30] <Zotnix> Honestly I did prefer MT's tag system for the blog itself... WP uses PHP tags for everything but they tell you what they all do in their docs
[04:31] <pixelmonkey> Zotnix, I'm not really a license zealot, so I was thinking of using MT
[04:31] <Zotnix> I think the free version restricts to three max bloggers to one max blog
[04:31] <Zotnix> Either that or 5 to 1
[04:31] <Zotnix> Not sure.
[04:31] <Zotnix> Maybe they relaxed it at some point. Both have their merits though :-p
[04:32] <pixelmonkey> Zotnix, cool, thanks for the view
[04:32] <LucidVisions> im loving dpkg/apt way more than portage/emerge
[04:32] <pixelmonkey> LucidVisions, it is way better :)
[04:32] <Zotnix> LucidVisions, heh, WAY better than yum or urpmi
[04:32] <Zotnix> RPMs are so slow.
[04:33] <Zotnix> I prefer Slackware and Debian based distros when it comes to packages.
[04:35] <sgtshatta> I have a question
[04:35] <pixelmonkey> sgtshatta, then ask it!
[04:37] <Kakalto> what does ubuntu's grub.conf look like?
[04:37] <linux_galore> fastest distro Ive used so far would be YOPPER.. easiest would be between Ubuntu or SimpyMepis
[04:38] <Zotnix> I've heard yoper had problems with slow mirrors and whatnot.
[04:39] <thully_> Ubuntu seems fastest to me - SUSE seemed slowest
[04:39] <linux_galore> well I bittorented YOPPER and I got 70-120 k
[04:39] <LucidVisions> yopper ya.
[04:39] <Zotnix> bit torrent doesn't rely on mirrors though
[04:39] <Zotnix> I meant when updating package lists and getting software
[04:39] <LucidVisions> haha,torrent mirrors
[04:40] <occy> man, I think it should be criminal for hardware manufactorers not to release code for their products.
[04:40] <linux_galore> well yopper doesnt have many packages only about 1000 on the server the rest I just compiled
[04:40] <daniels> code isn't as big a problem as specs
[04:40] <thully_> SuSE 9.2 was decent, but it seemed to cut my PC's speed in half
[04:40] <LucidVisions> dam,only 1000,thats not much
[04:41] <Stew2> is there a way to make hoary/ubuntu autoupdate?
[04:41] <occy> spent good money on this Wireless PCI Adapter WG311 only to have it not work worth a crap.
[04:41] <occy> *sigh*
[04:41] <linux_galore> yeah noticed that myself no auto update daemon on Ubuntu I had to setup a cron job
[04:41] <Zotnix> linux_galore, isn't it RPM based too?
[04:42] <thully_> Mepis seems like the most overrated distro - it just doesn;t work that well for me and has some breakage throughout the distro - also the solution to most driver issues is "recompile the kernel"
[04:42] <linux_galore> Zotnix: yeah its rpm based but uses apt-rpm and synaptic
[04:42] <Zotnix> I stay away from RPMs ... heh
[04:42] <qcompson> suse, especially 9.2 seemed slow for me as well
[04:42] <RobNyc> ANyone here using a amd athlon xp-m 2800+ laptop or alike ?
[04:42] <thully_> There is also an interesting paradox - Mepis beats Ubuntu on distrowatch, but Ubuntu beats Mepis hands down in IRC users
[04:43] <linux_galore> rpm's dont bother me......then again Ive read up on rpm's
[04:43] <Zotnix> thully_, I think Ubuntu is newer though too
[04:43] <Stew2> nevermind found it on the faq
[04:43] <Zotnix> Ubuntu for coming out fairly recently is already... number 7 or so?
[04:43] <linux_galore> yeah not fair really wait till Ubuntu has a second release...Mepis has been around a while
[04:44] <Zotnix> Ubuntu has really caught on. I was skeptical but really was surprised and I love it.
[04:44] <thully_> It's debian without install headaches and elitism
[04:44] <qcompson> totally
[04:44] <linux_galore> well I had little choice Ive got an ibook and mepis didnt have anything
[04:44] <Zotnix> And more up to date
[04:44] <linux_galore> so I went with Ubuntu
[04:44] <Zotnix> Debian, as I remember, had old packages.
[04:44] <thully_> elitism is rampant in debian - at least in #debian
[04:45] <qcompson> I bet
[04:45] <linux_galore> lol #Debian worse than #gentoo  now way
[04:45] <kotau> So I have enabled my system monitor on my toolbar.  it reports that the CPU is 100% in use by 'nice' processes all the time... ps aux shows my CPU about 20% in use though...  can the monitor be displaying it incorrectly?
[04:45] <sgtshatta> I am stuck in 640x480 mode in ubuntu hoary after install any ideas how to fix this??
[04:45] <ajmitch> linux_galore: surely it's not that bad?
[04:45] <thully_> stable debian is totally a relic from medieval times - however, sid and hoary are comparable
[04:45] <linux_galore> ajmitch: thats what Im saying nothing can be worse then #gentoo
[04:45] <LinuxJones> #debian is poison with idiots :D
[04:46] <linux_galore> ajmitch: enter the #gentoo channel and say why is emarge in crappy python why not use c
[04:46] <sladen> sgtshatta: your monitor probably doesn't return probe information about what frequences it can do.  edit  /etc/X11/xfree86.conf
[04:46] <qcompson> sgtshatta: you can manually edit the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file if the option in the gnome menu isn't working for you
[04:46] <linux_galore> ajmitch: watch the knifes fly
[04:46] <sgtshatta> sladen: Thanx will try that
[04:46] <sladen> kotau: type  'top'  and see what is taking up the CPU
[04:47] <pixelmonkey> linux_galore, that's kind of ad hoc.  Python is a good language.
[04:47] <sgtshatta> sladen: this is using xorg.conf
[04:47] <thully_> The biggest sin in #debian is to mention that you installed Debian by an "unconventional" method, like dist-upgrading a live CD install of Knoppix-type distros
[04:47] <Zotnix> Ubuntu is very python orientated.
[04:47] <linux_galore> pixelmonkey: yes but its not always good to force people to install python/perl to admin a system
[04:48] <mcphail> sgtshatta: would dpkg-reconfigure -a help?
[04:48] <Stew2> I followed the automated update instructions until "export EDITOR=gedit && sudo crontab -e". Is this creating a 'crontab' file on the disk?
[04:48] <LinuxJones> Zotnix, Python is great
[04:48] <sladen> sgtshatta: Hoary.  yup, xorg.conf.  BTW, did you monitor auto-detect under Warty---if it doesn't under Hoary that's a bug.  Can you file it on  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[04:48] <Kakalto> what does ubuntu's grub.conf look like?
[04:48] <Zotnix> I am learning to program in Python
[04:48] <Zotnix> pygtk and whatnot
[04:48] <Necrosan> Kakalto: Doesn't matter.
[04:48] <Necrosan> It's menu.lst that does :)
[04:48] <Kakalto> yes it does
[04:48] <Kakalto> oh
[04:49] <sgtshatta> sladen: ok so its not possible to use hoary with this monitor then??
[04:50] <sladen> sgtshatta: of course it is.
[04:50] <sgtshatta> sladen: Is there a fix to get this to work??
[04:51] <sladen> sgtshatta: to detect what resolutions your monitor can do, we use something called ddcprobe that asks the monitor for the information.  Some monitor return that incorrectly or not at all
[04:51] <sladen> sgtshatta: did you have warty on the machine before?
[04:51] <sgtshatta> sladen: I had warty on before
[04:52] <sgtshatta> sladen: It worked fine but with hoary it dont work
[04:52] <sladen> sgtshatta: was your monitor correctly detected with Warty, or did you have to select the resolution from a menu
[04:52] <Kakalto> then what does ubuntu's menu.lst look like?
[04:52] <sgtshatta> sladen: My monitor worked fine and was detected by warty
[04:53] <sgtshatta> sladen: after installing warty the resolution was just fine and everything worked
[04:53] <sgtshatta> sladen: under hoary the resolution is stuck at 640x480 and even though i edit the file it wont change
[04:54] <mcphail> Kakalto: less /boot/grub/menu.lst    - it's going to be different on each machine
[04:55] <sladen> daniels: ping.  sgtshatta has an interesting case for you
[04:55] <sgtshatta> sladen: I just did ddcprobe and it returned all the correct info for my monitor including all the resolutions
[04:56] <sladen> sgtshatta: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:56] <sgtshatta> sladen: This is so weird
[04:58] <supertux_> hi i need to mount a drive but im not sure what type of file system is on the drive
[04:58] <kebac> supertux_: use fdisk
[04:59] <supertux_> i thought it was fat32 or ntfs cant be sure
[04:59] <sladen> supertux_: sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda   will tell you what type each partition is
[04:59] <supertux_> yeah
[04:59] <LucidVisions> is apt-build an easy gui tool?
[04:59] <supertux_> hmmm
[04:59] <sladen> supertux_: and if you don't know, you can always try 'auto'
[04:59] <supertux_> yeah
[04:59] <Kirsch_> is there a way to have the icons aligned to the right in gnome?
[05:00] <drspin> does Ubuntu have a package for the XMMS Faad plugin?
[05:00] <swim> hay does anyone have a splash working with grub?
[05:00] <sladen> drspin: apt-cache search faad
[05:00] <drspin> sladen: doesn't have the XMMS plugin
[05:00] <swim> mine shows a black screen... though its pointed to the correct splash image
[05:00] <sladen> swim: people do.  It eats an XPM file 640x400x14
[05:01] <Kakalto> If I want to use an existing grub.conf configuration file, and add ubuntu into it, what do I have to do?
[05:01] <drspin> swim: note the 14bpp -- ;)
[05:01] <swim> sladen, yah Im using one that I got from gnome-look.org but Ive tried different ones and it doesnt work
[05:01] <swim> drspin, read above
[05:01] <sladen> drspin: 14 colours
[05:01] <daniels> sladen: pong
[05:01] <daniels> sgtshatta: what's up?
[05:02] <kebac> 14bpp != 14 colours
[05:02] <drspin> sladen: aye - that's what I meant... sorry :S
[05:02] <drspin> not even close on that one!
[05:02] <drspin> <<< Adobe Photoshop Habits
[05:02] <daniels> sgtshatta: when you run 'sudo ddcprobe', is there a line starting with 'monitorrange'? it should be right near the bottom
[05:02] <sladen> drspin: the other 2 colours (to make 16) are used for the black background and the text
[05:02] <swim> any ideas why mine isnt working? I have this line in my menu.lst: splashimage (hd0,0)/boot/grub/images/ubuntu_dance.xpm.gz
[05:03] <sgtshatta> daniels: yo
[05:03] <drspin> sladen: that's correct -- you a graphic designer?
[05:03] <Kakalto> anyone know?
[05:03] <sgtshatta> daniels: I just rebooted let me see
[05:04] <swim> sladen, any idea?
[05:05] <daniels> sgtshatta: if there's no 'monitorrange' line, it's a known issue and will be fixed in the next revision (which I'll upload when the build eventually finishes)
[05:05] <sgtshatta> daniels: yes there is monitorrange: 30-96, 50-150
[05:05] <emz> my ubuntu wont install everytime i press enetr on boot, it says curropt kernel
[05:05] <emz> and i just downloaded it
[05:05] <daniels> sgtshatta: whoa, weird
[05:05] <emz> from ubuntu
[05:05] <sgtshatta> daniels: those are my horizontal and vertical sync ratios
[05:05] <daniels> sgtshatta: could you please email /var/log/Xorg.0.log to daniel.stone@ubuntu.com?
[05:05] <swim> any ideas why mine isnt working? I have this line in my menu.lst: splashimage (hd0,0)/boot/grub/images/ubuntu_dance.xpm.gz
[05:05] <sgtshatta> daniels: no prob let me do that now ok
[05:05] <swim> anyone?
[05:05] <daniels> cheers
[05:06] <daniels> sgtshatta: you haven't put sync ranges back in your config file, have you?
[05:06] <daniels> (i need the log from it starting at 640x480)
[05:06] <nestle-iced-tea> Are there any P2P programs I can get through apt/synaptic? No, aMule is _NOT_ there
[05:06] <sladen> emz: your install CD is probably corrupt.  Can you try another one
[05:06] <sgtshatta> daniels: no i have not
[05:06] <sgtshatta> daniels
[05:06] <Necrosan> nestle-iced-tea: er, get limewire. just install it to ubuntuguide.org's instructions
[05:07] <daniels> sgtshatta: awesome.  if you email that to me, then I'll take a look at it, but I have to run off for a bit now.
[05:07] <sgtshatta> daniels: should I do that now input the sync numbers in the config file
[05:07] <Guardiann> good evening everyone
[05:07] <nestle-iced-tea> Necrosan, ill check that site now,thanks..
[05:07] <sgtshatta> daniels: ok thanx
[05:07] <sgtshatta> daniels: I will email it now ok
[05:07] <swim> my grub splash is not working, I get a black screen then the regular boot text, instead of the image I have specified in menu.lst  can anyone help me figure out why?
[05:07] <Kakalto> If I want to use an existing grub.conf configuration file, and add ubuntu into it, what do I have to add to it?
[05:08] <Kakalto> anyone?
[05:09] <mcphail> Kakalto: It'll depend on your machine / kernel / partitioning etc.
[05:09] <sladen> swim: I've put my main laptpop away for the night and have to catch a train in a bit.  Can you email me the XPM file any changes you've made to 'menu.lst' and I'll try and follow it up in the next couple of days whilst I'm travelling
[05:10] <Kakalto> mcphail, could we query?
[05:10] <swim> sladen, thats very cool of you, if you want to send me your addy Ill do so
[05:11] <Kakalto> mcphail, join #ubuntu-help then could you tell me what parameters I would need?
[05:11] <mcphail> Kakalto: I'll post mine to #flood. You'll need to edit it for your own setup
[05:11] <nestle-iced-tea> Necrosan, Those instructions are horrible.. that just says to sh the .bin file.. It's complaining about not being able to find the Java Virtal Machine.. But I installed Java-Common.. what do ido?
[05:11] <Kakalto> ahk
[05:11] <sgtshatta> sladen: I have a question for you??
[05:12] <Guardiann> nestle-iced-tea  install java 1st
[05:12] <Necrosan> nestle-iced-tea: follow the instructions on installing the sun JRE
[05:12] <Necrosan> nestle-iced-tea: also in that same guide.
[05:13] <mcphail> Kakalto: You don't need them all, but they are what Ubuntu auto-generates
[05:13] <Kakalto> hhrm
[05:13] <Kakalto> mcphail; Thanks.
[05:14] <mcphail> Kakalto: You'll need the root, kernel image and initrd
[05:14] <Kakalto> yeah
[05:14] <sladen> swim: ubuntu@paul.sladen.org
[05:14] <Kakalto> so I'll need to copy those images over to my boot partition
[05:14] <swim> sladen, thx so much
[05:14] <melazyboy> god damit i hate ati btw
[05:14] <sladen> sgtshatta: yup
[05:14] <sgtshatta> sladen: Hey I have a question for you
[05:15] <Kakalto> mcphail, I'd expect I'd need the title line, too ;)
[05:15] <mcphail> Kakalto: Yup
[05:15] <sgtshatta> sladen: where do i input my hor and vert sync rates in xorg.conf??
[05:15] <sladen> sgtshatta: I don't know.  daniels is the expert!
[05:15] <Kakalto> mcphail, I don't recognise the last two lines, so would I not need them?
[05:15] <sgtshatta> sladen: damn oh well he had to go too
[05:15] <Kakalto> like, would they be menu.lst-specific?
[05:16] <sgtshatta> sladen: you think the developers channel would help me or they would just kick and ban me??
[05:16] <qcompson> it's under the "monitor:" section isn't it?
[05:16] <Kakalto> mcphail, but how will grub know to boot with those images onto my ubuntu parition?
[05:16] <sladen> sgtshatta: they'd probably get irriated
[05:17] <sgtshatta> sladen: yea they would get annoyed
[05:17] <sladen> sgtshatta: http://www.google.com/search?q=xorg+vertrefresh
[05:17] <sladen> sgtshatta: or something simimlar
[05:17] <melazyboy> sgtshatta: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep horz
[05:17] <mcphail> Kakalto: You will point to the images on your Ubuntu partition...
[05:17] <Kakalto> oh, of course :$
[05:18] <Kakalto> so I wouldn't need to copy them to my boot partition
[05:18] <mcphail> Kakalto: they should be in the root directory on an Ubuntu install
[05:18] <melazyboy> sgtshatta: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Horiz
[05:19] <Kakalto> mcphail, then how does grub work normally on a different partition?
[05:19] <Kakalto> the images are on a different drive from the main files
[05:19] <mcphail> Kakalto: I don't understand the question
[05:19] <nestle-iced-tea> there is no java_vm file
[05:19] <nestle-iced-tea> like the howto says there is
[05:20] <nestle-iced-tea> necrosan, the guide says to make a symlink to a file called java_vm .. but there isnt one
[05:20] <mcphail> Kakalto: all GRUB will do is point to a kernel image to boot from. It doesn't matter where that is
[05:20] <Guardiann> nestle-iced-tea you need to d/l it first
[05:20] <Kakalto> and fstab does the rest?
[05:20] <nestle-iced-tea> I did..
[05:20] <nestle-iced-tea> I sh'ed the .bin file
[05:21] <Guardiann> did you d/l java
[05:21] <nestle-iced-tea> and copied the unpacked contents to /usr/java like it says
[05:21] <nestle-iced-tea> yeah
[05:21] <nestle-iced-tea> this is retarded
[05:21] <mcphail> Kakalto: the entries in fstab will be mounted during the boot
[05:21] <Puumba> I guess the ubuntu code of conduct does not apply to planet.ubuntulinux.org, having read mako's latest...
[05:21] <Guardiann> works great i have done it far to many times
[05:22] <Puumba> Not exactly "Considerate" or "Respectful"
[05:22] <Necrosan> nestle-iced-tea: did you install the SUN JRE?
[05:22] <Puumba> and certainly not "affirming of others"
[05:22] <Kakalto> mcphail, but when during boot does the computer figure out that X11 and KDE are on /dev/sda4?
[05:22] <nestle-iced-tea> Necrosan, Im doing exactly according to the FAQ
[05:22] <Necrosan> nestle-iced-tea: All I can say is reread and retry. It's worked every time.
[05:22] <Necrosan> You obviously aren't.
[05:22] <drspin> has anyone built the XMMS aac plugin on ubuntu?
[05:22] <nestle-iced-tea> Want to put money on it? go download that file
[05:22] <nestle-iced-tea> and unpack it like it says
[05:22] <Necrosan> I've installed it on 3 different systems according to those directions.
[05:22] <nestle-iced-tea> there is no java_vm file
[05:22] <Necrosan> You probably downloaded the wrong file. :)
[05:22] <Necrosan> You probably got "NetBeans IDE"
[05:22] <Guardiann> just set it up as it says to
[05:23] <nestle-iced-tea> Linux AMD64 self-extracting file  (jre-1_5_0_01-linux-amd64.bin, 15.39 MB)
[05:23] <nestle-iced-tea> Thats the one.
[05:23] <nestle-iced-tea> with NO java_vm
[05:23] <mcphail> Kakalto: You've told the system where the root directory is located. Everything else will then be mounted as per fstab
[05:23] <Necrosan> It obviously does have the java_vm
[05:23] <nestle-iced-tea> man
[05:23] <nestle-iced-tea> try it according to those exact instructions
[05:23] <nestle-iced-tea> just dont do the moving and symlinking
[05:23] <Kakalto> mcphail: what tells the system where the root directory is located?
[05:23] <nestle-iced-tea> i swear on the bible man
[05:23] <subterrific> Puumba: haha, its funny
[05:23] <rellik_> anyone know how to get sound working in ubuntu?  i have two sound cards (one onboard, non-working and one PCI, works under windows)...  how do I tell ubuntu which device to use?
[05:24] <daniels> sgtshatta: i need /var/log/Xorg.0.log too
[05:24] <Kakalto> mcphail, I would like to know if the computer would try to boot ubuntu off my gentoo drive
[05:24] <mcphail> Kakalto: the entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst. You should be able to boot any root directory on any partition or spindle
[05:25] <Kakalto> ahk...
[05:25] <Kakalto> thanks
[05:25] <Kakalto> anything else, or may I leave & try it out?
[05:25] <Puumba> subterrific, insulting is funny?  He's a canonical employee, at that!
[05:25] <mcphail> Kakalto: I think I've confused myself... ;p
[05:25] <sgtshatta> sladen: Hey I fixed the resolution problem by manually inputting the vertical refresh rate and the horizontal sync and then killed my xserver and let it come back up, after the xserver restarted I was able to select all the different resolutions its that simple
[05:25] <Kakalto> mcphail, you've made me not confused ;)
[05:26] <mcphail> Kakalto: go experiment
[05:26] <Kakalto> yeah
[05:26] <Kakalto> the worst it can do, is just not boot ubuntu
[05:26] <subterrific> Puumba: if you're insulted by that, well...i can't put this any more delicately, you need to lighten up
[05:26] <Kakalto> which isn't neccessarily bad
[05:26] <sgtshatta> sladen: I edited the xorg.conf file and input the vert and horz rates and restarted X
[05:26] <subterrific> Puumba: it is obviously written in a joking manner
[05:26] <Kakalto> I will be back... at some point...
[05:26] <Puumba> so you're wanting to relax the code of conduct
[05:26] <usual> is there a way to adjust the delay in window shading in metacity? I notice in most other window managers shading is instant. in gnome with metacity it has a delay.
[05:27] <mcphail> Kakalto: good luck
[05:27] <Kakalto> does ubuntu come with an irc client?
[05:27] <Kakalto> mcphail, thanks
[05:27] <subterrific> Puumba: i see no violation
[05:27] <dustigroove> xchat
[05:27] <Kakalto> dustigroove, you talking to me?
[05:27] <dustigroove> sorry, yes
[05:27] <Kakalto> thanks.
[05:27] <Necrosan> Kakalto: xchat
[05:27] <Kakalto> heheh.
[05:28] <Kakalto> thanks anyway
[05:28] <Kakalto> bye
[05:28] <Puumba> subterrific, whether it be joking or not, it's neither considerate nor respectful
[05:28] <pestil> many people here
[05:28] <subterrific> Puumba: what is it then?
[05:29] <drspin> any chance of getting Ubuntu to include AAC pacakge with Hoary?
[05:29] <Puumba> insulting, as I said earler
[05:29] <rellik_> any idea why my "Volume Control" has 4 tabs for audio devices (2 OSS, and 2 Alsa) even though I only have 2 devices?  is there a utility to configure sound
[05:29] <Puumba> earlier
[05:29] <subterrific> Puumba: to you?
[05:29] <drspin> (for XMMS preferably
[05:29] <drspin> )
[05:30] <pestil> How do I find what version of something I have? I want to find the version of gtk included in Warty
[05:30] <Puumba> subterrific, what would you prefer?  Relative measures of what is and is not insulting?
[05:30] <subterrific> Puumba: is that post insulting to you?
[05:31] <Puumba> yes, as a matter of fact.  Why?
[05:31] <subterrific> Puumba: why?
[05:31] <Puumba> Why do you ask?
[05:32] <subterrific> Puumba: because anyone can point at anything and say they are insulted.
[05:32] <Kakalto> heheh.
[05:32] <subterrific> Puumba: i'm insulted by your name
[05:32] <Kakalto> forgot to back up my gentoo installation
[05:33] <Puumba> So then there can be no code of conduct.
[05:33] <pestil> How can I find the version of things in Ubuntu? I need to find my version of gtk
[05:34] <maximaus> Kakalto, you can use Gaim for IRC as well, though it's not as featureful.
[05:35] <Kakalto> ohk
[05:35] <Kakalto> I like kopete for messaging
[05:35] <Kakalto> I'll probably download chatzilla for firefox
[05:35] <subterrific> Puumba: wrong, people have to learn to be tolerant and respectful. thus, you must realize mako is making a joke on his personal blog.
[05:35] <pestil> Is there a command to find version numbers for all my softwaer?
[05:35] <Kakalto> Is it possible to have kopete on GNOME?
[05:35] <Puumba> subterrific, learning to be tolerant and respectful means knowing what offends
[05:36] <pestil> Kakalto: yes
[05:36] <Kakalto> pestil: Is it much trouble?
[05:36] <wern0122> Hello... never used irc before but i have a big mysterious problem with warty warthog
[05:36] <Kakalto> it's one of the only KDE apps I really like
[05:36] <subterrific> Puumba: it also means respecting differences of opinion
[05:36] <Kakalto> wern0122: It's not hard to learn ;)
[05:36] <maximaus> Kakalto, kopete's really nifty if you use KDE since it integrates with other apps, but gaim is gtk and will be a little more responsive. Apples and oranges.
[05:36] <varla> hi I am using irssi and I want to see the users on line how does it work?
[05:36] <pestil> pestil: in Ubuntu? I can't tell you. In Mandrake I use Kopete inside GNOME
[05:36] <hikaru79> What does the Option          "Protocol" line in xorg.conf look like for a USB mouse?
[05:37] <hikaru79> For PS2, it's "ImPS/2"
[05:37] <Kakalto> maximaus, okay, I'll just get used to GAIM
[05:37] <hikaru79> What is it for USB?
[05:37] <Kakalto> or use KDE when I really want kopete
[05:37] <pestil> Kakalto: Are you in Ubuntu?
[05:37] <Kakalto> nope
[05:37] <subterrific> Puumba: seriously, i don't see how that joke is offensive to you, which is why i asked, but you've failed to repond which makes me thing you're just complaining to complain
[05:37] <pestil> Kakalto: where are you
[05:37] <Kakalto> Does the Warty Warthog come with KDE, aswell as gnome?
[05:38] <maximaus> Kakalto,  you can use KDE under Ubuntu just fine if that's your preference.
[05:38] <Kakalto> sorta
[05:38] <maximaus> noflex, you have to install it which is very easy
[05:38] <pestil> Kakalto: it only comes with gnome, but you can add kde if you want
[05:38] <Kakalto> I like some of the apps more in KDE
[05:38] <Puumba> subterrific, think what you want
[05:38] <Kakalto> but GNOME's interface is better
[05:38] <subterrific> Puumba: i'm from the USA, and i see the humor
[05:38] <Nico666> please help, i can run the ubuntu lice cd
[05:38] <pestil> Kakalto: some people have had issues with Ubuntu's KDE though
[05:38] <Puumba> subterrific, fine, so I must think as you do
[05:38] <Kakalto> also, I think sound will work in ubuntu, I'm having major troubles with sound in Gentoo
[05:39] <maximaus> pestil, what KDE issues have folks been having?
[05:39] <Puumba> I'm not entitled to feel differently, and I MUST have an explanation for the way I FEEL
[05:39] <subterrific> Puumba: no, we can all have our opinions and respect them without getting offended. it's easy.
[05:39] <Kakalto> pestil, thanks anyway, I was wondering if it came on the cd, but I don't care about kde enough to download it ;)
[05:39] <drspin> Kakalto: try the LiveCD -- if it works, it should work when you install
[05:39] <Nico666> Whe i boot live cd appear PNPBIOS fault.. attempting recovery.
[05:39] <Nico666> PnPBIOS: Warning! Your PnP BIOS caused a fatal error. Attempting to continue
[05:39] <Nico666> PnPBIOS: You may need to reboot with the "nobiospnp" option to operate stably
[05:39] <Nico666> PnPBIOS: Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS
[05:39] <Nico666> PnPBIOS: get_dev_node: unexpected status 0x28
[05:39] <Kakalto> yeah
[05:39] <Kakalto> Nico666: use #flood !!!
[05:39] <daniels> puumba, subterrific: please take it somewhere else
[05:39] <Puumba> subterrific, no, according to you, I have to have an explanation for my opinion
[05:39] <mcphail> Kakalto: You don't need all of KDE to run the apps
[05:39] <pestil> maximaus: apparently, if you don't use the Ubuntu approved KDE, many things don't work ok
[05:39] <subterrific> Puumba: you do
[05:39] <Kakalto> drspin; sound worked on the livecd, but the mouse didn't
[05:39] <pestil> maximaus: for example, many KDE themes won't install or work well
[05:40] <subterrific> daniels: yeah, he's obviously trolling. i actually wanted to talk to you
[05:40] <Puumba> subterrific, the way people feel does not require explanation
[05:40] <Kakalto> drspin, would it be hard to get the mouse working in ubuntu?
[05:40] <pestil> maximaus: Ubuntu uses a non-standard location for KDE
[05:40] <Nico666> Kakalto Sorry, i not flooding, i only paste the error appear when i try to boot the live cd
[05:40] <maximaus> pestil, you mean stuff's not intalled under /opt?
[05:40] <Kakalto> Nico666, it's still flooding
[05:41] <daniels> pestil: there is no 'standard location' for kde.  it's really out of /usr (where we put it), and /opt/kde3, and everyone has realised /opt is a terrifically bad idea for most everything, *especially* distro packages.
[05:41] <maximaus> I've got it installed here and it works fine (though I prefer Gnome or XFCE) though mounting CDs seems troublesome compared to gnome.
[05:41] <pestil> maximaus: I cannot give you much more details. But people that tried KDE on Ubuntu previously, told me that
[05:41] <bur[n] er> maximaus: compared to xfce, kde is more gui friendly for cd mounting though ;)
[05:41] <pixelmonkey> I just upgraded to hoary and my Gnome menu is missing all its icons... any ideas how to fix that?
[05:42] <subterrific> daniels: i found a sort of half solution to the amd64 nvidia-glx bug i'm having. i know you're busy, but i just updated the bugzilla entry if you're interested
[05:42] <pestil> daniels: "everyone" thinks /opt is a bad idea? first time I hear that theory
[05:42] <subterrific> daniels: if you've got any ideas i could try them now.
[05:42] <maximaus> pestil, I think hardcore KDE users would be better served with a different distro to be honest.
[05:42] <Kakalto> would it be hard to get my mouse working in ubuntu, if it doesn't work on the livecd?
[05:42] <pestil> maximuas: I agree
[05:42] <Kakalto> or should I use a different mouse?
[05:42] <Necrosan> Kakalto: what kind of mouse do you have?
[05:43] <Kakalto> Phillips
[05:43] <Necrosan> USB/PS2?
[05:43] <Kakalto> PS2. it came with my keyboard, which works
[05:43] <pestil> ps/2? usb? serial? trackball?
[05:43] <Kakalto> I just said that
[05:43] <Kakalto> not trackball
[05:43] <Kakalto> it's your typical usb/ps2 optical mouse
[05:43] <Kakalto> I use it as ps2
[05:44] <Kakalto> to save usb space
[05:44] <daniels> pestil: it's been discussed to death, and virtually no-one within any distro community has come out with a differing opinion.  the only people who really use /opt are kde developers, so they can easily nuke /opt/qt3 and /opt/kde3.  (speaking as a former kde developer)
[05:44] <daniels> subterrific: thanks
[05:44] <Kakalto> it was easy to get working on Gentoo
[05:44] <qcompson> speaking of kde, has anyone tried yoper linux?
[05:44] <wern0122> ANYONE: can you answer this: Just switched to DSL and Ubuntu gets timed out when accessing websites. totally unusable, though I have an IP address and I can still ping anyone (google, etc).
[05:44] <Kakalto> I ran some command, which added it into the startup
[05:44] <wern0122> And mandrake works fine
[05:44] <Kakalto> anyone have ideas?
[05:45] <Kakalto> ?
[05:45] <admin__> i just installed the fr locale for openoffice and firefox - but i have no idea how to get either of those apps to show up in french!
[05:45] <subterrific> oracle uses /opt, and i'm pretty sure gentoo installs a few things into /opt by default
[05:45] <mcphail> Kakalto: I don't think the live cd is "proper" Ubuntu. You may get on better with an install
[05:45] <pestil> daniels: I guess I gotta get out more. Into the discussions, I mean.    In theory, /opt sounds like a viable solution to the non-standardness of locations, where stuff is either put in /usr/bin or /usr/local/ or /usr/share or even /etc sometimes
[05:46] <admin__> any ideas
[05:46] <admin__> ?
[05:46] <Kakalto> mcphail, kewl.
[05:46] <Kakalto> mcphail, but would it make a difference?
[05:46] <pestil> daniels: In practice I agree not many use the /opt feature
[05:46] <daniels> pestil: it's put into /usr/bin, /usr/local, /usr/share, and /etc
[05:46] <Kakalto> I'm going to install it, so I'm wondering about it
[05:46] <mcphail> Kakalto: I've heard hardware detection is better on the install
[05:46] <Kakalto> *going to install ubuntu, wondering about mouse
[05:46] <Kakalto> mcphail, I wonder why? Surely it should be the same
[05:47] <daniels> it's very well-defined, by the filesystem heirachy standard.  /usr/bin is for binaries you run, /usr/lib is for libraries, /usr/share is for architecture-independent data that doesn't change, and /etc is for configuration files
[05:47] <daniels> (/usr/local isn't ever used by distros, btw)
[05:47] <lamont-live> woot
[05:47] <dustigroove> kakalto, i believe the warty live cd was based off of knoppix and not ubuntu
[05:47] <mcphail> Kakalto: AFAIK the live CD is Ubuntu paint on another distro
[05:47] <Kakalto> lol
[05:47] <pestil> daniels: but app developers don't always make their minds and they put them in *whichever* of those 4 or 5 locations, regardless of your "hierarchy standard"
[05:48] <subterrific> pestil: there is no non-standardness. things controlled by package management go into /usr/bin, etc..., things compiled and installed using gnu autotools by default go into /usr/local
[05:48] <daniels> pestil: app developers use autoconf, which has a prefix, so you can change this sort of thing
[05:48] <Kakalto> I would have thought, to paint a more accurate picture, they would use atleast 3 layers of ubuntu?
[05:48] <daniels> pestil: distributions standardise things, and almost always to /usr
[05:48] <Kakalto> for the livecd :P
[05:48] <daniels> pestil: imagine for a second that everything you installed was in /opt.  imagine how large your $PATH now is.
[05:49] <Kakalto> what is knoppix based on?
[05:49] <mcphail> Kakalto: the install should also setup GRUB properly for you
[05:49] <mcphail> Kakalto: knoppix is debian
[05:49] <pestil> danels: python is in /usr/local here and /usr/local/share is *yet another* location
[05:49] <Kakalto> mcphail, it didn't for my friend, plus I already have grub, I can easily add ubuntu into it
[05:49] <subterrific> pestil: what distro?
[05:49] <Kakalto> oops I meant gnoppix, not knoppix
[05:50] <daniels> pestil: what sort of distribution puts anything in /usr/local?
[05:50] <daniels> pestil: /usr/local is explicitly defined as a space for the user to put stuff under, and any distribution with half a clue will respect that and leave it well alone
[05:50] <daniels> (just like /home)
[05:50] <subterrific> pestil: are you using MacOS X by any chance? with fink?
[05:51] <Kakalto> Does Ubuntu come with NTFS read-support?
[05:51] <subterrific> because if you are, that explains why you're so confused
[05:51] <sgtshatta> daniels: I was able to get around that bug!!
[05:51] <daniels> sgtshatta: how so?
[05:51] <pestil> daniels: you say there have been a lot of discussion on this. I understand that you've seen a few. I guess I've been in other things. Could you perhaps direct me to one of the more intelligent discussions on this? I don't wanna be spreading all through google
[05:51] <sgtshatta> daniels: I manually edit xorg.conf and put in the horiz and vert rates
[05:51] <maximaus> Kakalto, yes, but you have to edit /etc/fstab to mount your ntfs volumes at boottime (easy!)
[05:52] <pestil> daniels: distro here is Ubuntu. ditto Mandrake
[05:52] <Kakalto> maximaus, kewl.
[05:52] <Kakalto> I know about fstab
[05:52] <Kakalto> I had to configure it for gentoo
[05:52] <sgtshatta> daniels: then I restarted my Xserver and voila it worked
[05:52] <daniels> sgtshatta: right ... I'd still love to get the Xorg.0.log from when it was at 640x480 so I can track the bug down and fix it
[05:53] <daniels> pestil: mmm, I can't really find any quickly, sorry
[05:53] <subterrific> pestil: Ubuntu does not install python to /usr/local
[05:53] <pestil> subterrific: sorry, it was Augustux
[05:53] <sgtshatta> daniels: I emailed the file to you about 20 mins ago
[05:53] <Kakalto> Ubuntu won't mind, if it uses teh swap partition I made in the gentoo installation?
[05:53] <daniels> sgtshatta: Xorg.0.log, or xorg.conf?
[05:54] <sgtshatta> daniels: xorg.conf
[05:54] <daniels> need the log
[05:54] <Scooter> Hi everyone, I have a new Favorite Filemanager,,,, Verry lightweight.. look for ROX filer in synaptic... :)
[05:54] <sgtshatta> daniels: ok
[05:54] <pestil> daniels: how do I find my version of gtk?
[05:54] <sgtshatta> daniels: let me do that now
[05:54] <sgtshatta> ok
[05:54] <daniels> (i suspect the answer is 'it's a bug in the nvidia driver' fwiw)
[05:54] <daniels> pestil: dpkg -l libgtk\*
[05:54] <Kakalto> scooter: are you named after the form of transport, or the band, or neither?
[05:55] <Kakalto> *band, music makers, whatever you call them
 I am named after a goofy looking oarnge Muppett :D
[05:55] <Kakalto> :D
[05:55] <Scooter> in america we have a puppett show, called Muppett show... he was a mascott
[05:55] <nestle-iced-tea> what the hells a kakalto
[05:56] <pestil> daniels: thanks
[05:56] <nestle-iced-tea> hey, who can name all the people from MCDONALDS land? I got in a big fight with someone the other day
[05:56] <daniels> Kakalto: no, it will be fine
[05:56] <nestle-iced-tea> theres ronald mcdonald, and the hamburgler
[05:56] <Kakalto> nestle-iced-tea, a light-warrior, for the linux side of teh toast
[05:56] <daniels> nestle-iced-tea: #ubuntu-offtopic, please
[05:56] <Kakalto> err force
[05:58] <Scooter> any XFce users here? in XFce there was a task list program on the task bar, anyone know the name of it? I want to install it for XFce 4.2... TIA :D
[05:58] <pixelmonkey> I have upgraded to Hoary and I think my icons are a bit messed up... folder icons show up in Applications menu as opposed to the icons for each category, and when writing an e-mail in evolution I am missing a bunch of toolbar icons
[06:01] <lanerebel> hey everybody
[06:01] <sgtshatta> daniel: hey I just sent the log file for you!!
[06:01] <pestil> daniels: on a scale of 1 to 10, how risky it is to compile a different version of gtk into Ubuntu than the one currently installed, or available in repositores? Ubuntu tells me I have gtk 2.4.9, and my "experiment" would be a gtk 2.4.3
[06:02] <lanerebel> would anyone mind helping me with an installation problem?
[06:02] <heliolith> hello all.  I heard some negative things about k3b in here yesterday.  Is its stability or reliability an issue?  Do people in here use it?
[06:03] <Scooter> WOOT! nevermind, they call it task manager :D
[06:03] <sgtshatta> heliolith: I use k3b and it works fine under Warty!!
[06:03] <Scooter> I found it :D
[06:03] <Necrosan> pestil: Why would you downgrade GTK?
[06:03] <Necrosan> That's a ridiculous idea.
[06:03] <subterrific> pestil: that isn't risky at all, you'll just get all the bugs that were fixed
[06:03] <bur[n] er> Scooter: run task-manager ??
[06:03] <subterrific> Necrosan: i'd agree, i was going to tell him, on a scale of 0 to 10 the pointlessness would be 10
[06:04] <Necrosan> hehe :)
[06:04] <pestil> Necrosan: I need to install a wacky patch that's only available for that version. I want to know how much I'm risking
[06:04] <chrismurf> in hoary, with the new "Places" Menu - how does one access that menu in nautilus? (ie - applications is applications:///)
[06:04] <Scooter> xfce has a small button on task bar thap pops up a windows like task manager to kill applications
[06:04] <Necrosan> pestil: What are you trying to do? (I can nearly guarantee you can do it another way.)
[06:04] <Scooter> is there something like this for X?
[06:04] <subterrific> pestil: it isn't risky, and are you sure you can't apply the patch to 2.4.9?
[06:04] <bur[n] er> Scooter: i don't have that
[06:04] <lanerebel> my installation keeps locking up after the same amount of time... anyone ever seen that before?
[06:04] <Cam-> anyone know any database projects on linux that resemble Access/Filemaker in its ease of use for form creation etc?
[06:04] <Necrosan> subterrific: manually apply the patch to 2.4.9
[06:04] <lanerebel> I'm trying to install the current warty release
[06:04] <Cam-> and displays of relationships?
[06:05] <Scooter> http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=910  It is the first Download here :)
[06:05] <chrismurf> Cam-: check out the new upcoming release of openoffice.org
[06:05] <Cam-> v2.0?
[06:05] <subterrific> pestil: in 2.4.x changes there are only bug fixes. it would be a lot more risky if you did something like downgrade from 2.4.x to 2.2.x where they'd actually changed APIs
[06:05] <pestil> Necrosan: I'm trying to have shadows in menus, like this http://users.skynet.be/bk221183/menu-shadow.png
[06:05] <chrismurf> Cam-: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20293
[06:06] <Cam-> thank you.
[06:06] <pestil> subterrific: last patch is from 7 months ago http://www.xfce.org/gtkmenu-shadow/
[06:06] <crimsun> occy: pong
[06:07] <bur[n] er> ooh... thanks Scooter, they don' thave that in the os-works repo
[06:07] <chrismurf> So - yeah, anyone know how to access the "Places" menu in nautilus? (for hoary)
[06:07] <Scooter> <bur[n] er> I did not realize it is source code :/ I have no Idea how to use it :D
[06:07] <subterrific> pestil: it still might apply to the 2.4.9 code base
[06:08] <bur[n] er> Scooter: ./configure; make; sudo make install
[06:08] <bur[n] er> :)
[06:08] <bur[n] er> or... to make a deb out of it... ./configure; make; sudo checkinstall
[06:08] <Scooter> ooOOOoo Cool , I try Thankyou :)
[06:08] <daniels> sgtshatta: yeah, it's a bug in the nvidia driver
[06:08] <bur[n] er> (assuming you have checkinstall)
[06:08] <pestil> subterrific: I was going to get the pre-patched whole tarball. So you mean it's not a bad idea to just get the patch?
[06:09] <pestil> subterrific: have you tried or heard anything of that patch before?
[06:09] <heliolith> what's the path to the startbar menu, so I can add a new app?
[06:09] <rellik_> xmms won't run :(  I apt-get'ed it on a fresh ubuntu but it gives this error: "libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!"
[06:09] <crimsun> rellik_: sudo aptitude install libmikmod2
[06:09] <subterrific> pestil: if you want to do it the "right" way, it would be to take the ubuntu gtk .src.deb and integrate the patch
[06:10] <rellik_> crimsun, thanks
[06:10] <subterrific> pestil: that way your new libgtk would be under package management, and other packages that depend on libgtk will be installable
[06:10] <pestil> subterrific: ....which would require at least an hour of my time? or is it possible to do such things quickly, without much thought and coding?
[06:10] <crimsun> rellik_: it's a faq here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1724
[06:10] <subterrific> pestil: it would require time yes
[06:10] <wasabi> pestil: apt-get source libgtk2.0-0
[06:11] <occy> crimsun: howdy
[06:12] <pestil> subterrific: there are three choices in the page. The tiny patch only, a tarball versio of the whole gtk, and an RPMed package. Which do you advice best?
[06:12] <occy> crimsun: tag, yer it.
[06:12] <occy> heh
[06:12] <occy> be good gang. ;)
[06:12] <subterrific> pestil: btw, you can get those drop shadows and much more without that hackish patch by using Xorg with xcompmgr
[06:12] <subterrific> pestil: you can use the rpm and run alien on it to convert it to a .deb
[06:13] <pestil> subterrific: are you suggesting that by just applying the patch, I risk breaking other apps that depend on libgtk?
[06:13] <subterrific> pestil: i wouldn't recommend any though :)
[06:13] <pestil> subterrific: never heard of that before? Is that available for Ubuntu? where?
[06:13] <swim> hrmm everytime I startup, my volume is muted, so I have to startup gnome-volume-control and unmute it... can I change this?
[06:14] <subterrific> pestil: no, i'm suggesting that if you uninstall ubuntu's libgtk and put this other one in, you're going to have issues trying to install packages with apt that depend on gtk because apt isn't going to think you have it installed because you removed the package
[06:14] <pestil> oh
[06:14] <subterrific> pestil: yes, apt-get install alien
[06:15] <pestil> subterrific: where can I find more about your suggestion? (the "official" way) Does your way work ok with Ubunut?
[06:15] <swim> can anyone help with that?
[06:15] <pestil> xcompmgr thingie
[06:16] <swim> pestil, is that to me?
[06:16] <subterrific> pestil: if you want to start mucking around with libraries, you should learn about the package management system. the Debian Maintainer Guide explains it i think
[06:16] <pestil> Can that be had through Synaptic? Or does it require special instructions?
[06:16] <subterrific> swim: no
[06:16] <subterrific> swim: it was to me
[06:17] <subterrific> pestil: xorg and xcompmgr are in the next version of Ubuntu (aka Hoary)
[06:17] <subterrific> pestil: and it gives you transparency and drop shadows on windows and menus
[06:17] <pestil> subterrific: I've heard it's not recommended to mix warty and hoary. Meaning I shouldn't upgrade, but instead, go clean to Hoary then?
[06:18] <subterrific> pestil: no, meaning you either run hoary or run warty
[06:18] <subterrific> pestil: you can upgrade from warty to hoary just fine
[06:18] <pestil> pestil: is my only option (ok, safer option), to go Whorey
[06:18] <pestil> Hoary
[06:18] <subterrific> pestil: but hoary isn't done yet, so it isn't as stable as warty
[06:19] <pestil> subterrific: I've heard that Hoary is still a "no no". But to get what I want, you say Hoary is in any case the better way, right?
[06:19] <sladen> subterrific: can you wait 3 months until Hoary is actually released!
[06:20] <subterrific> pestil: it sounds like you need to familiarize yourself with Synaptic, apt-get, and dpkg if you really want to start digging into this stuff and doing things like patching and upgrading libraries
[06:20] <pixelmonkey> what package install applications-all-users.vfolder-info?
[06:21] <subterrific> sladen: nope, i'm already running Hoary :)
[06:21] <swim> hrmm everytime I startup, my volume is muted, so I have to startup gnome-volume-control and unmute it... can I change this?  can anyone help with this?
[06:21] <pestil> subterrific: considering the "warnings" for Hoary all around, what do you think will give me less problems in the end? Going with the unstable (or unfinished) Hoary, or my patch? Again, among these two options, which is safer?
[06:22] <pestil> swim: have you tried doing it from the dialog box? Have you tried saving your session when logging out?
[06:22] <sladen> pestil: sorry.  what's the patch you're wanting to apply?
[06:22] <pestil> http://www.xfce.org/gtkmenu-shadow/
[06:23] <swim> pestil, gnome-volume-control opens the dialog box as far as a I can tell, and I have sessions set to save at every exit
[06:23] <pixelmonkey> anyone here running evolution under Hoary?
[06:24] <pestil> subterrific? sladen?
[06:25] <swim> pixelmonkey, I am, but mine crashes everytime I try to enter an account
[06:25] <pixelmonkey> swim: hmm, okay
[06:25] <pixelmonkey> swim: mine doesn't, but the icons are missing from the mail toolbar
[06:25] <subterrific> pestil: my advice is this: replacing libraries on your system without using package management is never a good idea. the safest thing would be to learn how to do it correctly. there are warnings about hoary because it causes more work for canonical and slows things down when people who don't really know what is going on install it and want support
[06:26] <heliolith> is k3b seems kde designed... it's ubuntu-friendly?
[06:26] <subterrific> pestil: that said, i've had very few problems with hoary, i run it on a machine i use to play games and its also my mail server.
[06:27] <aebcoat> heliolith it runs fine in ubuntu only problem is that you need alot ok kde libraries which you will probably only use for k3b unless you use other kde apps
[06:28] <pestil> subterrific: you convinced me then. Now, this is a pretty recent installation, without many "personalizations". Do you suggest that I upgrade to Hoary by downloading the CD and reinstalling clean, or should I upgrade by going the Synaptic way?
[06:28] <setite> hey can someone help me with firefox
[06:28] <subterrific> pestil: when hoary is released in 3 months, you should be safe upgrading through Synaptic
[06:28] <setite> whenever i click a link from another program... it opens a new firefox window... but firefox is ont he homepage... nto the link
[06:29] <aebcoat> i know how to fix that i think
[06:29] <setite> and how do i stop it from openign a new page... i want things to open in a new tab
[06:29] <pestil> subterrific: in summary, you recommend me that I hold my horses till April. Fair enough
[06:29] <setite> aebcoat you talkign to me?
[06:29] <subterrific> pestil: after all, that is one of the main points of a good package management system. upgrading
[06:29] <aebcoat> ok for the hompepage ting go to desktop/prefrences/preferred apps
[06:30] <aebcoat> look under web browser
[06:30] <aebcoat> yes setite
[06:30] <pigeonflight> anyone planning to enter the ubuntu website look and feel competition?
[06:30] <setite> yea im followign along with you...
[06:30] <aebcoat> what do you have under custom?
[06:31] <setite> i have it linked to the executable of firefox
[06:31] <aebcoat> try this mozilla-firefox %s
[06:31] <heliolith> aebcoat: I'm getting a huge list of icon related errors, plus these: kio (KIOConnection): ERROR: Header read failed, errno=104nkio (KIOConnection): ERROR: Header has invalid size (-1)nkio (KLauncher): ERROR: SlavePool: No communication with slave.nk3b: ERROR: (K3bSongManager) Can't open file /home/michael/.kde/share/apps/k3b/songlist.xmlnQMetaObject::findSignal:KListView: Conflict with QListView::doubleClicked(QListVi
[06:31] <pestil> subterrific: thanks for the help. One final question before I leave: Is it normal that I cannot install any themes or extensions in Firefox? I've tried doing the Synaptic firefox upgrade, which is like "1.0 backported to 0.9" or something like that, but I still can't install themes or extensions.
[06:31] <subterrific> pestil: this is what Xorg+composite is able to do: http://www.xfce.org/~olivier/screenshots/compositor.png
[06:32] <pigeonflight> pestil: make sure that you have given permission to the sites you are installing the theme from
[06:32] <Cam-> what package is gnome-panel-screenshot in?
[06:32] <setite> ok now nothign happens when i open a link
[06:32] <subterrific> pestil: i'm not sure :\
[06:32] <pigeonflight> pestil: by default only update.mozilla.org will be allowed to freely add extensions to firefox
[06:32] <aebcoat> do you have firefox in the default location?
[06:33] <setite> nope
[06:33] <pestil> subterrific: nice. It adds shadows to windows too
[06:33] <setite> i dotn know where the default location is
[06:33] <aebcoat> ah ok, just type the pth but put a %s at the end
[06:33] <subterrific> Cam-: dpkg-query -S 'gnome-panel-screenshot'
[06:33] <setite> ok... whats the %s
[06:33] <pestil> pigeonflight: I'm using plain old mozilla firefox official extensions page
[06:34] <aebcoat> that should open you directly to the link if i recall correctly, mine is like that and it works fine
[06:34] <pestil> subterrific, pigeonflight: thanks
[06:34] <pigeonflight> pestil: interesting... in that case I'm not sure... my first thought is diskspace
[06:35] <pestil> pigeonflight: I have 15 GB available, so no
[06:35] <setite> awesome thanks aeb
[06:35] <pigeonflight> subterrific: I came in late... were you saying that we can actually use xorg+composite now in ubuntu?
[06:35] <Cam-> well thats interesting, a package that gnome relies on isnt in the ubuntu repositories
[06:36] <aebcoat> you got it?
[06:36] <Cam-> gnome-panel-screenshot, nor gnome-screenshot :|
[06:36] <setite> one more thing though... when clicking a link within firefox... that opens a new window... how do i force it to open in a new tab instead
[06:36] <subterrific> pigeonflight: no, that it is in hoary
[06:36] <setite> yea that worked
[06:36] <pestil> pigeonflight: this is pretty the stock firefox that comes with ubuntu, plus the synaptic "backport" upgrade.
[06:36] <Cam-> for hoary
[06:36] <Cam-> that is
[06:36] <pigeonflight> pestil: in that case.. I'm really not sure.. I'm using hoary
[06:37] <pigeonflight> subterrific: I'm using hoary
[06:37] <aebcoat> ok setite one sec
[06:37] <setite> k
[06:37] <pestil> pigeonflight: message is "Incompatible Extension> Qute 3 could not be installed because it is not compatible with this version of Firefox. (Quite 3 will only work with Firefox versions from 0.10 to 1)"
[06:37] <subterrific> Cam-: refresh your list? i see gnome-panel-screenshot in gnome-utils
[06:38] <subterrific> pestil: right, and you're running 0.9
[06:38] <pigeonflight> pestil: sounds like you're still running 0.9
[06:38] <subterrific> warty ships with 0.9, thats why
[06:39] <Cam-> ill see
[06:39] <pestil> subterrific: but 0.9 is between 0.1 and 1.0    It should work
[06:39] <pestil> well, thanks anyways
[06:39] <aebcoat> setite go to http://kb.mozillazine.org/Setting_Your_Default_Browser
[06:39] <pestil> bye
[06:39] <subterrific> pestil: 0.10 is greater than 0.9 in version numbers
[06:40] <pigeonflight> pestil: not in version maths :) ... in versions it count like this .8, .9, .10, .11, .100 , 1.0
[06:40] <aebcoat> croll down some for instructions under heading "Linux"
[06:40] <subterrific> the . is a seperator, not a decimal point
[06:40] <subterrific> think of it like - in a phone number, or / in a date
[06:40] <aebcoat> i havent done it personally so im not sure how it works
[06:40] <pestil> pigeonflight: ok, but the message says 0.1, not 0.10
[06:41] <pestil> pigeonflight: no, wait, you're right :p
[06:41] <subterrific> pestil: according to what you just pasted it says 0.10
[06:41] <subterrific> hehe
[06:41] <pestil> pigeonflight: oops
[06:41] <pestil> nevermind :P
[06:41] <pestil> bye then
[06:41] <mako> subterrific: what was puumba upset about?
[06:41] <mako> subterrific: i had trouble telling from the log
[06:42] <Cam-> omg
[06:42] <Cam-> OO v2.0 pre-release comes in rpm
[06:42] <subterrific> mako: he wouldn't say really
[06:42] <mako> subterrific: and does puumba realize that *i* am from the us? :)
[06:42] <mako> subterrific: i guess people from the us might think that saying they take selves too seriously would be offensive.. but c'mon :)
[06:43] <subterrific> mako: i tried asking him why he was offended, but i think that offended him
[06:43] <subterrific> ;)
[06:43] <setite> aeb
[06:43] <setite> thats the same as what you just told me
[06:43] <setite> thats a problem we solved already
[06:43] <subterrific> mako: cause he wouldn't answer, asked why i was asking and then went on about how people don't have to explain their feelings
[06:44] <setite> i need to figure out what setting makes things open into a new tab and not a new window
[06:44] <mako> subterrific: well.. yeah.. hard to be responsive to something you don't know
[06:44] <setite> i dont want a new window ever opening unless i do it manually
[06:44] <subterrific> mako: which he completely didn't understand.
[06:44] <mako> subterrific: i'm happy to go out of my way to try to not offend people. but if i'm not even sure what i could different, it's hard :)
[06:44] <subterrific> mako: i'm from the US also, and i thought it was funny
[06:45] <setite> does anyone know how
[06:45] <setite> someone must know
[06:45] <setite> i mean its annoying as hell
[06:45] <aebcoat> heh
[06:45] <mako> subterrific: it's annoying travling in the americas and not beining able to say "i'm from america" or anything really sane
[06:45] <aebcoat> you look under about:config?
[06:45] <subterrific> mako: i wouldn't worry about it. the guy obviously has some issues
[06:46] <subterrific> mako: just say you're from the "you ess"?
[06:46] <mako> subterrific: well. if puumba shows up again, i can try to talkto him/her :)
[06:46] <mako> subterrific: yeah, i do that or "the states"
[06:46] <pestil> setite: check out about:config
[06:46] <mako> subterrific: or (best) i just say "seattle" or "new york"
[06:46] <pestil> setite: have you tried middle clicking
[06:47] <aebcoat> ah didnt think about that
[06:48] <LucidVisions> my girlfriend got so drunk last night she pissed on her new ibook
[06:48] <zenrox> hahahaha
[06:48] <Necrosan> brb
[06:49] <subterrific> LucidVisions: it wasn't the toilet seat model was it?
[06:49] <LucidVisions> subterrific: haha
[06:49] <subterrific> LucidVisions: cause i can see that being a valid mistake
[06:49] <zenrox> lol
[06:50] <aebcoat> setite try this link http://www.techimo.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-131171.html
[06:50] <zenrox> what possed her to piss on a ibook is it cause it sucks
[06:50] <zenrox> hehehehehhehe
[06:50] <freonx> can anyone help me? I just received my ubuntu CDs, and the problem is, I am using my linksys wirless pci adapater, how do I get it to work with ubutntu?
[06:50] <subterrific> LucidVisions: show her this http://www.epinions.com/content_28366638724
[06:50] <LucidVisions> It was giving here problems at school (uni) and she was all mad last night, she was tore up and said "Im so mad at this dam ibook" and started pissing on it
[06:50] <daniels> (#ubuntu-offtopic, please)
[06:51] <LucidVisions> i was laughing so hard i fell of the couch and hit the table,therefore our pints fell onto the floor along the pissed on ibook
[06:51] <LucidVisions> hehe
[06:51] <aebcoat> setite i got it for you
[06:52] <aebcoat> type about:config in firefox adress bar
[06:53] <LucidVisions> so i hope she doesnt go pissing on it after i install yellow dog or somthing faster than osx
[06:54] <bur[n] er> freonx: prolly uses linux-wlan-ng stuff... wlanctl would be the command to use
[06:54] <aebcoat> type the word "tab" in filter and double click on "browser.tabs.showSingleWindowModePrefs" so it goes from false to true , then under prefrences their are more options for tabs that should let you do what you want to do
[06:54] <LucidVisions> is there ubuntu ppc?
[06:54] <bur[n] er> LucidVisions: yes
[06:54] <crimsun> LucidVisions: yes there is.
[06:54] <LucidVisions> cool,ill install that for her
[06:55] <freonx> bur[n] er: can you err explain more detailed? cuz i've complete 0 knowledge on this
[06:55] <LucidVisions> i have to somehow wash that ibook off
[06:55] <LucidVisions> wipe with bleach wipes?
[06:55] <swim> does anyone know how to make nautilus open dirs in same window?
[06:56] <aebcoat> yeah
[06:56] <aebcoat> prefrences / file manager /behavior
[06:57] <aebcoat> or not one sec its around their
[06:57] <swim> :)
[06:57] <aebcoat> oh yeah it is , check alwys open in browser windows
[06:58] <Squishy> can anyone here help me with installing ubuntu on a old world powermac?
[06:58] <swim> aebcoat, were talking about the little nautilus right? not the biger browser?
[06:58] <Squishy> having trouble booting into the cd
[06:59] <aebcoat> to open it all in a single window i use the view that has a directory tree
[07:00] <aebcoat> the real slim vie im not sure if you can have it in the same window, i thin if you click with scrool wheel it opens a window and closes the last one
[07:03] <aebcoat> you follow what I mean swim?
[07:07] <setite> thats odd
[07:07] <setite> thanks aeb
[07:07] <setite> just setting the single bla bla to true didnt cut it...
[07:07] <setite> but opening and closing preferences did it
[07:08] <aebcoat> yeah setting it to true enable more options to be changed
[07:08] <setite> yea and when opened preferences i saw the setting... but it was already set to what i wanted... so i just said ok and it worked
[07:08] <aebcoat> guess they didnt want to overwhelm people with so many choices :-) wanted to make you work for it
[07:08] <setite> but it dint work until i opened preferences even though it was already set the way i wanted it to be...
[07:08] <aebcoat> good gladi could help
[07:09] <setite> yea thats why i used opera for so long... firefox made me mad in that regard
[07:09] <aebcoat> heh it probably disregard it if it is set to false
[07:09] <setite> that most of the good settings are not automatica and are hidden
[07:09] <aebcoat> i never really though about it, im sorta stuck back in the internet explorer mentality of no tabs at all
[07:12] <setite> what!!! no tabs
[07:12] <setite> god i cant imagine life without them
[07:12] <aebcoat> heh
[07:12] <setite> it just got annoying have so many windows open... because i cant find anythign else
[07:12] <setite> i cant bring myself to close a webpage
[07:13] <aebcoat> true, when it groups them  in the taskbar it is really inconvenient
[07:14] <setite> indeed
[07:14] <setite> damn this room died
[07:14] <setite> no one having any problems... how odd
[07:14] <aebcoat> heh
[07:15] <aebcoat> where to start :-)
[07:15] <setite> hmmm what should i break...
[07:15] <tritium> Well, I have a small problem.  Strange behavior if I suspend to ram, and then close lid on my Dell C840
[07:15] <sladen> tritium: go ahead
[07:16] <tritium> sladen, Well, it appears to be resuming when I re-open the lid, and then it "shuts off" again.
[07:16] <tritium> And then I have to hit the power button to resume it.  It sometimes just takes a few tries.
[07:16] <rellik_> how come my vlc doesn't have any sound?
[07:17] <aebcoat> rellik do other apps have sound?
[07:17] <rellik_> aebcoat, yes
[07:17] <tritium> Oh, and sladen, don't worry, I haven't forgotten about the usplash ideas
[07:17] <aebcoat> ok open up the taskmanager and end process called esd
[07:17] <setite> rellik any other apps open that use sound
[07:17] <sladen> tritium: groovy
[07:18] <setite> only one app at a time uses sound for me
[07:18] <sladen> aebcoat: sound daemon.  shares the sound device
[07:18] <sladen> tritium: groovy
[07:18] <tritium> My suspend-to-ram problems are minor.  suspend-to-disk is working pretty well :)
[07:18] <rellik_> yeah I can't get sound for more than one at a time either...  but that doesn't fix my vlc problem :(
[07:18] <setite> aebcoat whats esd
[07:19] <sladen> tritium: re: the suspend.  mjg59 is the person to pester---can you write your experience up on the HoaryPMResults page?
[07:19] <aebcoat> i have the same proble with mplayer, i have to end esd sometimes and then restart the movie
[07:19] <setite> whats esd
[07:19] <rellik_> could it be because I manually changed /dev/dsp to link to /dev/audio1 ?
[07:19] <tritium> sladen, Yes, I plan to.  I want to do a bit more testing so I can write up something more intelligent.
[07:19] <sladen> aebcoat: esdctl off   and   esdctl on
[07:19] <setite> how hard is it to get linux to let multiple apps share sound
[07:20] <zenrox> setite,  very
[07:20] <jdub> setite: make all your software use esd
[07:20] <jdub> setite: which is how we set things up by default
[07:20] <setite> well what is esd and how do i do that
[07:21] <Stew2> ls
[07:21] <jdub> setite: depends on the app - what are you trying to use?
[07:21] <Stew2> oopes
[07:21] <zenrox> setite,  turn on the esd but turnign on you gnome sounds to enable the server (if it ant runing)
[07:22] <aebcoat> im ay not be much help, im struggling their also , all i know is that sometimes if im playing a mp3 then close it i cant watch a video untill i end the esd process
[07:22] <zenrox> aebcoat,  thats cause your using alsa
[07:22] <zenrox> alsa is beter then esd
[07:22] <setite> ummm well i would like to be able to have xmms open and vlc... and not have to close one before opening the other
[07:23] <zenrox> setite,  xmms if you hit stop it disengaes the sound deamon
[07:23] <zenrox> so vlc can take over
[07:23] <setite> yea but i usually pause...
[07:23] <zenrox> dont pause
[07:24] <zenrox> cause its still using the soundD
[07:24] <setite> i know... but how do i let all the devices use the sound... with that ESD?
[07:24] <zenrox> one of the few anoinces we linux users have to live with
[07:24] <setite> i have to live with it?!
[07:25] <setite> well what abotu when i get my other rig working
[07:25] <setite> and i have the hardware support for it
[07:25] <zenrox> you tell the other app vlc in this case to use esd
[07:25] <zenrox> esd-e sound deamon
[07:25] <setite> ok how do i tell the apps to use it
[07:25] <setite> i dont think anywone explained that yet
[07:25] <zenrox> dont know ant used vlc
[07:25] <zenrox> setite,  look in the options in vlc
[07:26] <zenrox> just like you would with windows
[07:28] <setite> shhh... we must not speak of such things
[07:28] <setite> nah i cant find it
[07:29] <setite> but i told xmms to use ESD
[07:29] <Stew2> GPG error FTP://ftp.nerim.net. From Apt-get update.
[07:29] <Stew2> How do I fix that?
[07:29] <zenrox> good now vlc will use alsa
[07:29] <zenrox> Stew2, using hoary??
[07:29] <Stew2> I was running synaptic and it crashed.
[07:29] <Stew2> zenrox yup.
[07:29] <setite> whoa VLC can use satellite
[07:30] <nestle-iced-tea> Hey.. easy question.. one of my files is owned by root in my /var/www so apache wont let people download it because its forbidden or whatever.. how do i set the permissions on the file?
[07:30] <zenrox> Stew2,  dont know how to fix that but synaptic i just click ok and it continues like nothen happend
[07:31] <zenrox> nestle-iced-tea,  use sudo chmod
[07:31] <nestle-iced-tea> chmod what though
[07:31] <zenrox> nestle-iced-tea, do a man shmod for how to use it
[07:31] <Stew2> zenrox I can't get the gui up. It kinda was in the middle of doing something.
[07:31] <nestle-iced-tea> chmod 777 ?
[07:31] <Stew2> I thought I could finish with apt-get from the prompt. I killed the gdm
[07:31] <nestle-iced-tea> cause i dont know
[07:31] <Stew2> zenrox yo
[07:31] <zenrox> nestle-iced-tea, read the man
[07:32] <setite> ok now VLC is not working
[07:32] <zenrox> Stew2,  you have to edit the source.list file
[07:32] <setite> it wont play the dvd at all
[07:32] <Stew2> zenrox is there a way to recover from the prompt?
[07:32] <Stew2> prompt, shell, whatever it's called.
[07:32] <zenrox> Stew2,  do sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:32] <Stew2> zenrox: is there a way to edit it and tell it to ignore the GPG info?
[07:33] <zenrox> then put a # infount of thoes lines
[07:33] <Stew2> zenrox cause it's produc'in this kinda fatal error.
[07:33] <Stew2> zenrox just don't get packages from ftp.nerim.net?
[07:33] <zenrox> ya till you can get to your gui
[07:33] <Stew2> zenrox I coulda done that on my own.
[07:33] <Stew2> O
[07:33] <Stew2> Thanks
[07:34] <zenrox> you cant tell apt-get to ingnore the erorrs
[07:34] <zenrox> but snyaptic will
[07:34] <zenrox> go figure
[07:35] <aebcoat> setite it give you a error message?
 GPG error FTP://ftp.nerim.net. From Apt-get update.
[07:41] <setite> no message at all
[07:41] <setite> uh oh i found an inferiority in firefox
[07:42] <setite> opera was similar to AOL in that it had its own desktop of sorts... firefox doesn't have that so when a small window pops up it spreads to an entire page... WHY CAN'T I FIND A PERFECT BROWSER!!!!!
[07:42] <aebcoat> i wast sure if starting vlc fro a terminal may give you more info
[07:42] <nestle-iced-tea> i absolutely HATE how you cant select your download path AS YOU GO in firefox
[07:43] <nestle-iced-tea> thats their stupidest feature ever
[07:43] <nestle-iced-tea> they give you only the option of "save" or "open".. where 'save' is where you defined previously in OPTIONS
[07:43] <aebcoat> what do you mean as you go, download to a temp file then save to a directory later?
[07:43] <nestle-iced-tea> i mean you can only download to ONE directory, or open
[07:43] <aebcoat> oh no you can change that
[07:43] <nestle-iced-tea> nopew
[07:44] <jdub> nestle-iced-tea: eh?
[07:45] <jdub> preferences > downloads > download folder: ask me where to save my file
[07:45] <zenrox> nestle-iced-tea,  ya what jdub said
[07:45] <aebcoat> yeah thats what i was thinking also
[07:45] <aebcoat> works for me
[07:49] <pvh> How can I run a second monitor at a different resolution from the first?
[07:49] <pvh> Or, better yet, can someone recommend a good X configuration utility?
[07:52] <Stew2> zenrox What's the command I need to run to reconfigure X and set it up? Apt-get was holding back the xorg x server cause I still had Xfree86 installed.
[07:53] <zenrox> Stew2,  sudo xorgconfig
[07:53] <Stew2> zenrox, okay.
[07:54] <pvh> Hey, that might help with my question too.
[07:54] <pvh> What about this? "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[07:54] <pvh> That was the official advice I found.
[07:54] <zenrox> pvh,  yep that to
[07:55] <pvh> Does Ubuntu install the non-free Nvidia drivers by default, or am I going to have to go add repositories and such?
[07:55] <daniels> pvh: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) nvidia-glx
[07:55] <daniels> pvh: not installed by default, but available
[07:55] <daniels> Stew2: XORG_FORCE_PROBE=yes sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[07:56] <pvh> daniels, thanks.
[07:56] <LucidVisions> setite: you can build one, cant be too hard a
[07:56] <pvh> (and zenrox)
[07:56] <Stew2> daniels Huh?
[07:56] <pvh> daniels, could you explain the strange apt-get install command there?
[07:57] <daniels> Stew2: if you run that command, that will reconfigure X for you
[07:57] <Stew2> zenrox : I ran sudo xorgconfig. I only got stuck on the mouse. What's the /dev/mouse in ubuntu?
[07:57] <daniels> pvh: you're installing linux-restricted-modules-X, where X is your currently-running kernel version, and nvidia-glx
[07:57] <daniels> Stew2: don't run xorgconfig, it will generate something that isn't what you want
[07:57] <pvh> daniels, Ah, thank you. What are in the restricted modules?
[07:57] <Stew2> daniels No copy and pasto, friendo. This is my windows xp box. Over there yonder is my linux ubuntu box. I'll type a little at a time. My memory is NO good.
[07:58] <tandy> wow i havent used xfce since the very first version
[07:58] <tandy> and thel atest is awesome
[07:58] <pvh> daniels: Actually, I can probably find that out myself.
[07:58] <daniels> pvh: nvidia, fglrx, atheros, fritz-acm
[07:58] <tandy> i think i cna kiss gnome goodbye lol
[08:00] <pvh> daniels: Thanks. That's great. Restricted is not a particularly clear name for that.
[08:00] <Buuyo^> I've been looking around, and I can't seem to find a way to set up a bridge that obtains one IP address by DHCP, and uses another that's static. I can do it by hand very easily (with a simple br0:1) but getting it to work in the ubuntu/debian way seems troublesome. http://www.pastebin.com/231971
[08:00] <Buuyo^> Yes, that's one network card. I'm just testing it with one atm.
[08:00] <daniels> pvh: it's various non-free modules, and there's nothing else that sums that grouping up
[08:00] <Buuyo^> I'll have a second one in there soon.
[08:00] <pvh> daniels: "nonfree-modules"?
[08:01] <daniels> pvh: linux-some-non-free-video-card-modules-as-well-as-a-wireless-chipset-and-an-isdn-chipset-thingy-too-and-soon-a-winmodem-chipset-modules-2.6.10
[08:01] <pvh> Well said, well said.
[08:01] <daniels> pvh: ubuntu/restricted : ubuntu/main :: debian/non-free : debian/main
[08:01] <pvh> Ahhh, I understand now.
[08:02] <daniels> hence, l-r-m
[08:03] <pvh> Alright, well, if I can get twinview going then my only other task (for tonight) is to try and get Wine working.
[08:03] <pvh> So I'm going to go see how I've done so far.
[08:06] <pvh> That's odd, why do I have xfree86 instead of xorg?
[08:06] <crimsun> pvh: in warty? that's normal.
[08:08] <pvh> crimsun: Ah, I must have found documentation for hoary then?
[08:10] <randabis-laptop> howdy peoples
[08:10] <crimsun> pvh: are you running warty or hoary? :)
[08:10] <geoffj> hi all
[08:12] <geoffj> Does anyone know how to get galeon working with warty?
[08:12] <randabis-laptop> install it? :)
[08:12] <Stew2> daniels at the prompt typing the $ XORG_FORCE_PROBE=yes sudo .... will reconfigure X?
[08:12] <pvh> crimsun: Warty. I'm being a bit conservative.
[08:12] <crimsun> pvh: yep, Warty has XFree86. Hoary has X.Org.
[08:13] <pvh> crimsun: The exciting thing abut Ubuntu is the promise that hoary will be stable Soon.
[08:13] <randabis-laptop> just a few more months :)
[08:13] <randabis-laptop> I'm already running it though..already works pretty well
[08:13] <daniels> Stew2: yep
[08:13] <daniels> randabis-laptop: three
[08:14] <randabis-laptop> yeah
[08:14] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: was your "install it" comment to me?
[08:14] <randabis-laptop> I suppose...I never tried galeon in warty...it works for me in hoary though
[08:15] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: it once worked for me in warty then I switch to hoary and then I switched back to warty and it doesn't seem to exits anymore :(
[08:15] <randabis-laptop> I'm really glad I was able to figure out how to get 3d acceleration going for my friend on his igp 345m :) it was frustrating at first, but I got it
[08:16] <crimsun> geoffj: 'galeon' does not exist in Warty.
[08:16] <pvh> Okay, time to see if it worked! Back soon.
[08:16] <randabis-laptop> heh that could explain it
[08:16] <geoffj> crimsun: do you know why? it once was avaialble/
[08:16] <crimsun> geoffj: it has never been available in Warty.
[08:17] <crimsun> geoffj: it is in hoary/universe
[08:17] <geoffj> crimsun: wasn't it under universe?
[08:17] <randabis-laptop> how did you switch back to warty by the way? reinstall from the cd right?
[08:17] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: no and yes, one box i regressed but the other I re-installed from cd.
[08:18] <randabis-laptop> hmm
[08:18] <randabis-laptop> I've heard regression = bad
[08:18] <crimsun> well, it's certainly less than trivial to downgrade an entire distro level
[08:18] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: that (this) machine seems as fine as the other
[08:19] <geoffj> crimsun: it took a while and there was a few curly things I had to do.
[08:19] <crimsun> geoffj: it wasn't too bad for me, but I'm fairly comfortable with pinning.
[08:20] <geoffj> crimsun: are you saying you are running galeon from hoary on warty?
[08:20] <crimsun> geoffj: no. I run mozilla-firefox from debian experimental on sid+hoary
[08:21] <geoffj> crimsun: okay, I'll try my luck; I hope galeon's mozilla dependency doesn't bite me.
[08:23] <crimsun> geoffj: if you're able to use it still, you're probably still using quite a few hoary packages
[08:24] <geoffj> crimsun: no, Im using firefox at the moment; my machine is completely warty
[08:25] <crimsun> geoffj: ah, I was about to say, heh.
[08:25] <crimsun> geoffj: galeon is one of those packages that has very strong dependencies on specific versions of mozilla-broswer
[08:25] <crimsun> -browser
[08:26] <geoffj> crimsun: yeah I know, it is a major headache but I find it is the most powerful browser by far, firefox and epiphany don;t come close in usability
[08:26] <randabis-laptop> yeah if you install galeon it needs mozilla-browser too...kinda why I don't use it
[08:27] <crimsun> I really liked Galeon 1,2
[08:28] <geoffj> crimsun: it is still the best; particularly its tab support; if other browsers made better use of tabs I would probably ditch galeon
[08:28] <AlohaWolf> im having an issue with Samaba and APT
[08:28] <HrdwrBoB> geoffj: you can make firefox as good as galeon
[08:28] <AlohaWolf> 164934154
[08:28] <HrdwrBoB> with a few tweaks and extensions
[08:29] <geoffj> HrdwrBoB: please tell me how
[08:29] <AlohaWolf> (Reading database ... 120554 files and directories currently installed.)
[08:29] <AlohaWolf> Removing samba ...
[08:29] <AlohaWolf> invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/S91samba
[08:29] <AlohaWolf> dpkg: error processing samba (--remove):
[08:29] <AlohaWolf>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 10
[08:29] <Cam-> does anyone know if the line positions on a proc file such as cpuinfo are the same on every system
[08:29] <Cam-> >
[08:29] <Cam-> ?
[08:29] <AlohaWolf> does anyone know what that means?
[08:29] <randabis-laptop> there's an extension...tab browser preferences
[08:29] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[08:29] <HrdwrBoB> grab that
[08:29] <randabis-laptop> gosh, please don't flood like that
[08:30] <HrdwrBoB> Cam-: no
[08:30] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: is that in warty?
[08:30] <randabis-laptop> firefox extensions are platform independent
[08:30] <randabis-laptop> well for the most part anyway
[08:31] <HrdwrBoB> randabis-laptop: you add them through firefox
[08:32] <randabis-laptop> yeah I know
[08:32] <randabis-laptop> that's why I said it's platform independent
[08:32] <randabis-laptop> geoffj, https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/?application=firefox
[08:32] <Faustus> hi
[08:34] <hypatia> Is anyone able to help me resize a gnome-panel?
[08:34] <HrdwrBoB> hypatia: in what direction
[08:34] <hypatia> Silly sounding question... but look at https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=1100
[08:35] <hypatia> HrdwrBoB: I would like it not to be occupying the left third of my screen, as per the screenshot...
[08:35] <daniels> hypatia: right-click on the panel, choose preferences
[08:35] <hypatia> daniels: I can't
[08:36] <hypatia> daniels: the icons are so big they take up the whole panel.
[08:36] <hypatia> daniels: I left click anywhere, I open an app
[08:36] <hypatia> daniels: I right-click anywhere, I get the context menu *for the icon*
[08:36] <Samus_Aran> hi, could anyone help me.  I am wondering if there is a unique way to detect that Ubuntu is the currently running distro.  for example, is there a file like /etc/ubuntu-release or /etc/ubuntu-version, or some unique package manager app, etc. ?
[08:36] <Samus_Aran> hypatia: heh
[08:37] <Samus_Aran> hypatia: Gnome ?
[08:37] <hypatia> (no, I didn't idly resize the panel, my mouse cursor always "goes crazy" on login and just resizes and opens stuff on my behalf.)
[08:37] <hypatia> yes.
[08:37] <Samus_Aran> I had major issues trying to fix my Gnome toolbar after the icons went huge
[08:37] <daniels> hypatia: hm.  even when you right-click on applications, or something?
[08:37] <Samus_Aran> there was no space left on the toolbar to get the toolbar properties, quite a bad design
[08:38] <hypatia> daniels: that menu has its own context menu, yes.
[08:38] <hypatia> daniels: Help, Remove from panel, Lock to panel
[08:38] <setite> http://www.cs.sunyit.edu/~andrusw/pic/comedy/venki533.jpg
[08:38] <setite> that is funny!
[08:38] <daniels> hypatia: worst-case scenario is going into gconf-editor, apps->panel->toplevels->top_panel; change size to 32 and orientation to top
[08:38] <hypatia> ok
[08:38] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: I cna't see any tab extension that gives we what I have in galeon. Galeon
[08:38] <hypatia> daniels: I think I might have to go that way.
[08:39] <hypatia> daniels: when *every pixel* of a panel is occupied with an icon, it seems like you lose the panel's own context menu.
[08:39] <hypatia> or rather, the ability to access it.
[08:39] <daniels> hypatia: right, which is arse
[08:39] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: galeon's history support works great with tabs. when you clone a tab it clones the history too
[08:39] <Samus_Aran> setite: in rather poor taste, but funny otherwise
[08:39] <randabis-laptop> geoffj, did you try tab browser preferences?
[08:39] <hypatia> daniels: I filed bug 5735 against it.
[08:40] <hypatia> daniels: I hope seb128 doesn't ignore it, I break gnome every time I touch it.
[08:40] <randabis-laptop> I don't know about the history cloning, etc...that's never been important to me at all
[08:40] <lifeless> iz gtk bug
[08:40] <daniels> hypatia: heh
[08:40] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: what is tab browser preferences?
[08:40] <hypatia> s/ignore/close as unreproducible... he never ignores them as such.
[08:40] <randabis-laptop> geoffj, an extension
[08:41] <hypatia> daniels: as for this "my mouse cursor goes crazy when I first touch my touchpad" thing, ever heard of that?
[08:41] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: oh that one; it requires at later version of firefox than is in warty
[08:41] <hypatia> I mean, sufficiently crazy that I touch it gently with my finger, and suddenly my panel is in the wrong place and six times bigger than it used to be...
[08:42] <randabis-laptop> geoffj, you can get firefox 1.0 from ubuntu backports
[08:42] <Samus_Aran> so does anyone know if Ubuntu has any unique file, app or directory that can distinguish it from a Debian system ?
[08:42] <randabis-laptop> ha I was just about to ask Samus :p
[08:42] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: how does one do that?
[08:43] <hypatia> Samus_Aran: there seems not to be, it seems to still have /etc/debian_release or whatever its name is :(
[08:43] <randabis-laptop> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[08:43] <randabis-laptop> that's for you geoffj
[08:43] <hypatia> Samus_Aran: probably worthy of a bug report if there isn't anything, because that's something almost every distro has.
[08:43] <Samus_Aran> hypatia: what about a folder like /var/ubuntu or similar ?
[08:43] <geoffj> randabis-laptop: cheers
[08:43] <randabis-laptop> you just have to edit sources.list and do apt-get update
[08:44] <cutterjohn> YDL still had RH stuff...
[08:44] <hypatia> Samus_Aran: well, I don't have one on my system anyway.
[08:44] <Samus_Aran> hypatia: I would rather the part of my script that detects distros not to report it as Debian, as that is a false-positive
[08:44] <cutterjohn> in a similar fashion as ubuntu wrt debian...
[08:44] <Samus_Aran> hypatia: does "locate ubuntu" come up with anything ?
[08:46] <randabis-laptop> yeah, but I don't think it comes up with anything relevent samus
[08:46] <cutterjohn> samus, unless you want to check for /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-* directories
[08:46] <randabis-laptop> it comes with several hits
[08:47] <hypatia> Samus_Aran: that comes up with about a million things because a lot of the files in /var/cache/apt/archive are named *ubuntu.deb
[08:47] <Stew2> daniels: Okay, I'm getting ready to type that XORG_.... but I'm already root. Do I need the sudo command?
[08:47] <cutterjohn> samus_aran, I suppose that you could check the source lists for apt...
[08:47] <randabis-laptop> if you're root you don't need sudo
[08:47] <heliolith> If I've installed K3B, but am worried after forum reading that it's not safe for my system, can I balk and uninstall??  I've never uninstalled anything so any pointers are appreciated...
[08:48] <randabis-laptop> sure you can uninstall it
[08:48] <zenrox> heliolith,  dont k3b works just fine
[08:48] <randabis-laptop> I don't see what's unsafe about it though?
[08:48] <heliolith> oh
[08:48] <daniels> Stew2: nope, don't need sudo
[08:48] <Stew2> XORG_FORCE_PROBE=yes sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[08:48] <Stew2> XORG_FORCE_PROBE=yes dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[08:48] <daniels> correct
[08:49] <heliolith> I'm just getting some errors, mostly missing icon files... I guess it was someone complaining that they had to re-install ubuntu after it messed something up... I should take it with a grain of salt I suppose... any idea how to kill the icon errors?
[08:49] <hypatia> is this how you get it to detect a new monitor?
[08:49] <Samus_Aran> hypatia: well if that is consistant across all Ubuntu systems, then that is just fine.  I can check for the existance of /var/cache/apt/archive/*ubuntu.deb
[08:49] <hypatia> Samus_Aran: it wouldn't be. Those can be purged with the command "apt-get clean"
[08:50] <Adrenal> i swear, the day microsoft make a product that doesn't suck is the day they make a vacum cleaner
[08:50] <randabis-laptop> yeah
[08:50] <Samus_Aran> Adrenal: lol
[08:50] <hypatia> and it's possible a fresh CD install doesn't put packages in that cache, although I don't know.
[08:50] <randabis-laptop> I was just about to say about apt-get clean
[08:50] <Adrenal> defragging took 2 hours. TWO HOURS PEOPLE
[08:50] <Adrenal> I AM A BUSY MAN
[08:50] <cutterjohn> visual studio sucks?
[08:50] <randabis-laptop> just don't use microsoft :)
[08:50] <Adrenal> i don't
[08:50] <Stew2> daniels: It didn't do squat. I did use the shutdown command from a ssh terminal though, just prior. Went into 'single user-mode'. Whatever that is.
[08:50] <Adrenal> unless i have to
[08:51] <Adrenal> havn't got ntfs write support to work yet
[08:51] <Samus_Aran> Adrenal: the only time I use Microsoft products are when I am being paid by the hour.  this works fine for me.
[08:51] <daniels> Stew2: ah, ok.  run this first:
[08:51] <Stew2> daniels: I have a shell prompt. I typed the XORG_ stuff in, and it went back to a prompt. no errors.
[08:51] <daniels> oh
[08:51] <randabis-laptop> ntfs write support is limited
[08:51] <daniels> Stew2: yeah, it's designed to say nothing :)
[08:51] <Adrenal> samus: i've been using ubuntu for ages. I just really, really hate microsoft
[08:51] <daniels> Stew2: although you might want to do this:
[08:51] <Samus_Aran> hypatia: what about /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-* ?
[08:51] <Adrenal> seriously, been like 3 months
[08:51] <hypatia> Samus_Aran: I'm not sure.
[08:51] <daniels> md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum
[08:51] <randabis-laptop> I don't have anything ntfs...no windows
[08:51] <daniels> then re-run the XORG_...
[08:52] <cutterjohn> samus_aran: check the source in /etc/apy/sources.list they'll be *.ubuntu.com
[08:52] <hypatia> Samus_Aran: I guess /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-base would exist on pretty much all ubuntu systems.
[08:52] <Samus_Aran> hypatia: I can do a combination of checking for those .ubuntu.deb packages, and checking for the docs directories.  if either exists, it will count it as Ubuntu distro
[08:52] <randabis-laptop> yeah that's an idea
[08:52] <hypatia> cutterjohn: except when people start using mirrors (as Australians like to do).
[08:52] <randabis-laptop> haha
[08:52] <Stew2> daniels: So, what do I do now? I already ran xorgconfig. I couldn't get the mouse right though. I didn't know what the /dev/mouse was supposed to actually be. And then I picked the wrong monitor refresh rate. The only way I could figure out how to get out, was to ssh into the box from my windows box here, and issue a shutdown.
[08:53] <Samus_Aran> can all of you confirm that you have a user-readable /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-base directory ?
[08:53] <cutterjohn> ah, forgot about that detail... too bad the mirrors weren't aliased in the DNS...
[08:53] <hypatia> cutterjohn: well even then you get people using unofficial mirrors
[08:54] <hypatia> cutterjohn: my house has a private mirror so that we don't have to download every package twice.
[08:54] <Samus_Aran> are there any config files in /etc with ubuntu in the name ?
[08:54] <hypatia> that's never going to get a ubuntu.com subdomain :)
[08:54] <randabis-laptop> I don't have a ubuntu-base directory
[08:54] <daniels> Stew2: if you reboot now, it should all be OK
[08:54] <hypatia> Samus_Aran: no.
[08:54] <heliolith> can anyone suggest fontpack keyterms to search for to get firefox to view pages as they appeared on my windows system?
[08:54] <hypatia> Samus_Aran: I do think this is worthy of a bug, since most distros have a sort of unique release file in /etc
[08:54] <randabis-laptop> I think that's because the ubuntu-base directory would be linked to the ubuntu-base meta package
[08:54] <HrdwrBoB> hypatia: just rsync or nfs /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:54] <daniels> Stew2: if it's still arse, I'd love to see your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (it's big -- email preferred), and /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:54] <cutterjohn> randabis-laptop: you're a special case.  does your reinstalled from cd have one?
[08:55] <Stew2> daniels okay, i did the md5sum thing, then I re-ran the XORG_ command, now the Ubuntu Configuration screen came up.
[08:55] <pvh> Oh man, that was an unpleasant no-x-starting experience.
[08:55] <hypatia> HrdwrBoB: with the mirror already working, why bother? I don't have any personal investment in making sure that ubuntu.com has a match in my /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:55] <Stew2> daniels : Sure, if i ever get the box up!
[08:55] <HrdwrBoB> hypatia: true
[08:55] <daniels> Stew2: oh, what's the screen saying?
[08:55] <Samus_Aran> it would be nice to see Ubuntu have an /etc/ubuntu?{release,version}
[08:56] <cutterjohn> hypatia: private mirror... thats the nice thing about only running one architecture...
[08:56] <hypatia> Samus_Aran: I'll file the bug,
[08:56] <randabis-laptop> I think that's because the ubuntu-base directory would be linked to the ubuntu-base meta package
[08:56] <daniels> Samus_Aran: /etc/lsb-release
[08:56] <pvh> Word to the wise: if anyone tries to 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86', I recommend they 'dexconf' afterwards.
[08:56] <Stew2> It's asking me for the video modes you would like the x server to use... "Configuring xserver-xorg" daniels
[08:56] <Faustus> i did "sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/cdrom" and a dvd seems less choppy with ogle.  Term latter said, "dropping to single frame dma". Does this mean dma has been disabled?
[08:56] <Samus_Aran> daniels: that is included in ubuntu, or are you saying it should be ?
[08:57] <daniels> Samus_Aran: it is included in ubuntu
[08:57] <Samus_Aran> daniels: what is in the file ?
[08:57] <daniels> Stew2: hm.  select 1024x768.
[08:57] <daniels> Samus_Aran: have a look for yourself.  version number, name, everything.
[08:57] <hypatia> daniels: ah cool, you saved a useless bug :)
[08:58] <randabis-laptop> DISTRIB_RELEASE=5.04
[08:58] <randabis-laptop> DISTRIB_CODENAME=hoary
[08:58] <randabis-laptop> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu (The Hoary Hedgehog Release) Development Branch"
[08:58] <Samus_Aran> daniels: I don't have an Ubuntu system.  one part of my system stats scripts detects the distro being used
[08:58] <randabis-laptop> crap
[08:58] <randabis-laptop> sorry
[08:58] <Faustus> man says that the -d option should disable it bu outputs "on" even though it was already on
[08:58] <NanoTek> Hey
[08:58] <cutterjohn> daniels: excepting, I think that the lsb-release file will only appear starting with hoary correct?
[08:58] <geoffj> daniels: lsb depends on lsb-release and lsb is very fundermental hence everyone has /etc/lsb-release
[08:59] <pvh> Does anyone here have a working dual-head Geforce4 setup?
[08:59] <Samus_Aran> so all of you have an /etc/lsb-release with a line saying exactly: DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[08:59] <randabis-laptop> I do...a hoary user
[08:59] <geoffj> pvh: yeah, at work
[08:59] <randabis-laptop> a warty user needs to check
[09:00] <cutterjohn> daniels: never, I just noticed that it does exist for warty...
[09:00] <hypatia> my warty system does not have it.
[09:00] <HappyFool> mine does
[09:00] <Samus_Aran> is an ubuntu a toad or something ?
[09:00] <randabis-laptop> lolz
[09:00] <zenrox> lol
[09:00] <cutterjohn> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[09:00] <cutterjohn> DISTRIB_RELEASE=4.10
[09:00] <cutterjohn> DISTRIB_CODENAME=warty
[09:00] <cutterjohn> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu"
[09:00] <hypatia> It's sort of an odd system though, an upgrade from an old version of sarge
[09:00] <HappyFool> it's an african word for "humanity" more or less
[09:00] <zenrox> Samus_Aran,  check out www.ubuntulinux.org
[09:00] <geoffj> cutterjohn: lsb-release is in warty
[09:01] <hypatia> ah I get it.
[09:01] <randabis-laptop> well there you go Samus, a way to identify ubuntu for your script :p
[09:01] <hypatia> ubuntu-DESKTOP depends on lsb (at least in warty)
[09:01] <hypatia> ubuntu-BASE does not...
[09:01] <Samus_Aran> I think I will simply have to check all 5 possible places where ubuntu could be, and if any of the 5 tests match ..
[09:01] <HappyFool> is /etc/lsb-release an LSB requirement ?
[09:01] <zenrox> Samus_Aran,  let me know when the script is done
[09:01] <hypatia> hence, systems with ubuntu-base may not have /etc/lsb-release.
[09:01] <cutterjohn> good idea...
[09:01] <hypatia> so it is possible to have an ubuntu system without it.
[09:02] <cutterjohn> but I think that I saw a message on the developer mailing list of adding lsb-release to base for hoary up...
[09:02] <hypatia> it's only on hoary that ubuntu-base starts depending on it.
[09:04] <Samus_Aran> zenrox: I wrote a version 1.x of my system stats script, which was alright, but a bit long.  I am rewriting a 2.x version of it now that is far more compact and also gives out far more relevant info, and it also does not assume you have particular console apps installed
[09:05] <Samus_Aran> zenrox: all it depends on is Bash, everything else is optional
[09:05] <randabis-laptop> neat
[09:05] <Samus_Aran> the benefit being you can run it on stripped down systems and still get a lot of useful info out of it
[09:05] <randabis-laptop> I'd definitely be interested in it when you release
[09:05] <Stew2> daniels Workin on it.
[09:06] <daniels> Stew2: cheers
[09:06] <Samus_Aran> e.g. it detects things fine on my SmoothWall router distro on a 60MB hard drive
[09:06] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: so what exactly does this script of yours do?
[09:06] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: it produces a very compact listing of information about a system
[09:07] <kakalto> how do I copy ALL of the contents of a directory to another location?
[09:07] <HappyFool> cp -dpR
[09:07] <HappyFool> or rsync -a
[09:07] <kakalto> including all folders, subfolders, files, subfiles, etc.
[09:07] <kakalto> thanks
[09:07] <randabis-laptop> man cp is handy
[09:08] <kakalto> this should take a while
[09:08] <kakalto> I'm copying about 2.7GB of stuff
[09:08] <kakalto> if I'm looking through an ntfs drive, are directories starting with "." still hidden?
[09:09] <HappyFool> i *think* that's a function of the executable (cp, rsync, what-have-you), not the fs. i could be wrong.
[09:09] <kakalto> ohk
[09:09] <kakalto> so, will that command as shown above copy hidden folders?
[09:09] <randabis-laptop> yes
[09:10] <daniels> correct
[09:10] <NanoTek> what is the difference between universe and multiverse ?
[09:10] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: operating system, architecture, distro, kernel and libc version info, guesses at your total physical ram/used ram, total/used swap, uptime in days, user shell, processes/second since boot, load average for 60 seconds, cpu mhz/type/cache/bmips/how many cpus, filesystem types/size, etc.
[09:10] <daniels> NanoTek: universe : multiverse :: main : restricted
[09:10] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: you know on a grep -ri ubuntu of /etc/* Mozilla prefs also list ubuntu mozilla-firefox/pref/firefox.js:pref("general.useragent.vendorSub", "0.9.3 (Ubuntu)");  unfortunately the kernel version does not....
[09:10] <randabis-laptop> universe = free multiverse = nonfree
[09:11] <NanoTek> ok thx
[09:11] <NanoTek> so i can find codecs
[09:11] <NanoTek> etc
[09:11] <NanoTek> for playing wmv
[09:11] <kakalto> ohhh codecs
[09:11] <randabis-laptop> not necessarily
[09:11] <kakalto> I'm gonna have hell trying to find avi, mpg, rm, etc. etc. etc. codec packs for linux
[09:12] <randabis-laptop> you can find w32codecs in marillat's repositories
[09:12] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: why is that ?
[09:12] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aram: excepting of course firefox will not be installed in a base install, say if ubuntu were being installed to be run as a server...
[09:12] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: sounds interesting...
[09:12] <kakalto> Samus_Aran, I'm assuming they're hard to find ;)
[09:12] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: they're easy to find.  MPlayer's web site has a very complete collection of video codes
[09:12] <Samus_Aran> *codecs
[09:12] <NanoTek> randabis, it was just an example (i've compiled mplayer with the ALL packages :) )
[09:12] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: surely someone has made an Ubuntu package of them
[09:13] <kakalto> ohk
[09:13] <kakalto> kewl
[09:13] <randabis-laptop> samus they are in marillat's repositories...but those aren't strictly ubuntu...they are actually debian
[09:13] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: I even install MPlayer on Win32 systems because it can play more formats better than fighting with Win32 native codecs and players
[09:14] <kakalto> exactly what is Mplayer? who makes it?
[09:14] <kakalto> mplayer.com?
[09:14] <NanoTek> hq
[09:14] <NanoTek> mplayer.hq
[09:14] <Samus_Aran> www.mplayerhq.hu
[09:14] <NanoTek> lol
[09:14] <NanoTek> scuse
[09:14] <Samus_Aran> NanoTek: close
[09:14] <Stew2> daniels: Yes, it boots up. But the only screen resolution available is 640x480 x 60hz
[09:14] <cutterjohn> kakalto: ...and I've installed it on OSX, initially as it was one of the few options for handling DIVX movies... along with vlc...
[09:14] <NanoTek> i am still sleeping
[09:14] <NanoTek> :p
[09:14] <Stew2> kakalto: a hungarian guy started it.
[09:14] <randabis-laptop> I perfer gxine/totem-xine over mplayer myself
[09:15] <Stew2> daniels I've got a TNT-2 based card. A diamond V770
[09:15] <randabis-laptop> w32codecs rawks my socks though
[09:15] <kakalto> I'm copying approx. 2.7GB of data from one partition of my hard drive to another, and cp doesn't seem to be giving me any progress reports, does anyone have any ideas to how long it will take, and how I can figure out whether or not it's done?
[09:15] <cutterjohn> kakalto: no progress reports from cp
[09:15] <cutterjohn> kakalto: or mv, etc
[09:15] <randabis-laptop> you'll know when it is done when your command prompt comes back
[09:16] <kakalto> the thing is, sometimes my gentoo installation wouldn't come back,but it was done...
[09:16] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/all-20050115.tar.bz2  << that 13MB archive has codecs for pretty much every common video format out there, usable with MPlayer and Xine
[09:16] <cutterjohn> are you sure about that? I've never seen the basic file utils hang, ever...
[09:16] <randabis-laptop> nor have I
[09:16] <kakalto> it wasn't a util, I don't think
[09:16] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: cp without -i will not display files
[09:17] <kakalto> ahk
[09:17] <Samus_Aran> I mean -v
[09:17] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: it is a good idea to alias cp and mv to do -iv
[09:17] <randabis-laptop> yeah verbose
[09:17] <kakalto> that probably would have been better a few minutes ago
[09:17] <cutterjohn> you could do a cp- -v in the future, that may provide more feedback...
[09:17] <randabis-laptop> lol
[09:17] <Samus_Aran> -i is interactive, meaning it asks for confirmation before overwriting files, -v is verbose, meaning it displays every filename being copied/moved
[09:17] <cutterjohn> kakalto: by basic file utils, I mean: ls, cp, mv, etc.
[09:17] <Samus_Aran> I recommend aliasing rm to rm -v, so you can at least see what is being deleted
[09:18] <cutterjohn> bah
[09:18] <cutterjohn> just slows it down displaying junk...
[09:18] <kakalto> cutterjohn, in the gentoo installation, I wasn't using a basic util
[09:18] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: are you on a 386 with FrameBuffer TTY ?
[09:18] <kakalto> I was typing commands, of all sorts
[09:18] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: no, usually I'm killing a few 1000 files
[09:18] <kakalto> to do with networking
[09:18] <kakalto> and other stuff
[09:18] <kakalto> lol
[09:19] <cutterjohn> kakalto: what were you using?
[09:19] <kakalto> I was installing
[09:19] <kakalto> it was a livecd for installation, which booted into a bash-like shell
[09:19] <kakalto> quite possibly bash, himself
[09:19] <kakalto> err itself*
[09:19] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: if you are in a 2D-accellerated X11 server (as almost everyone is), or a regular 80x25 text mode console (as a lot of other people are), or in a accellerated FrameBuffer console (as a few people are), then it won't slow down the rm process at all
[09:21] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: maybe, maybe not... but I still remember the Sun IPCs and their pseudo text mode... slow as molasses...
[09:21] <kakalto> crap!
[09:21] <cutterjohn> kakalto: probably bash, are you sure it wasn't compiling something or other?  (I've never tried gentoo myself....)
[09:21] <kakalto> I thought it was only 2.7gb
[09:21] <kakalto> it was over 3gb
[09:21] <randabis-laptop> hah
[09:21] <kakalto> and didn't fit on the partition!
[09:21] <cutterjohn> }:)
[09:22] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: the hard drive will be the limiting speed factor if you're on a 2D-accellerated text display
[09:22] <kakalto> does cp copy from a-z?
[09:22] <kakalto> ??
[09:22] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: what do you mean ?
[09:22] <froud> where can I get rc3 hoary from a site in the US?
[09:23] <kakalto> like, I go "cp -blah /blah/blah/* /blah /blah/
[09:23] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: probably, but old habits are hard to break, and I really don't care to watch file names scroll by at a rate that would, most likely be too fast to read anyways, and if you goofed, it's usually way too late by then anyways...
[09:23] <kakalto> does it copy Directory /blah/blah/blahA first, or /blah/blah/blahB?
[09:23] <randabis-laptop> he means does it copy alphabetically
[09:23] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: you need cp -a or cp -r to copy directories
[09:24] <kakalto> -dpR copies everything, doesn't it
[09:24] <Faustus> does the us mirrors release an ubuntu that is different from non-us versions?
[09:24] <Samus_Aran> I would imagine it copies in the order of the command line
[09:24] <Faustus> encryotion?
[09:24] <Samus_Aran> echo cp -blah /blah/blah/* /blah /blah/
[09:24] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: use -a
[09:24] <Faustus> I'd stay away from us mirrors if I could just in case
[09:24] <kakalto> -a for (A)everything?
[09:24] <froud> Faustus, not that I know of
[09:24] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: -a = -dpR
[09:25] <kakalto> lol
[09:25] <kakalto> is fdisk installed in gentoo?
[09:25] <kakalto> *ubuntu
[09:25] <HappyFool> kakalto: have you read the cp man page? 'man cp'
[09:25] <kakalto> nope, that's what you guys are for ;)
[09:25] <froud> Faustus, OK where can I find a UK mirror that has RC3 hoary
[09:25] <randabis-laptop> I suggested reading man cp like ten minutes ago :p
[09:25] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: if you goof and end up erasing your root folder, it gives you time to stop it as it is going through /dev
[09:26] <kakalto> randabis-laptop: Thanks, I'll try it :D
[09:26] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: or if it is erasing large files, it gives you time to stop it before it deletes many
[09:26] <kakalto> is fdisk installed in ubuntu?
[09:26] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: and /etc is after /dev, so that can be quite important if you haven't backed up lately
[09:26] <Faustus> good question I don't know. Anyone?
[09:26] <jmhodges> kakalto: do you have a ubuntu system?
[09:26] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: you must run MFM disks if even a 1G file takes that long to erase
[09:26] <kakalto> yes, I'm currently on it
[09:26] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: cfdisk is generally much nicer to use than fdisk
[09:26] <jmhodges> kakalto: then use synaptic to check :)
[09:26] <kakalto> ahk
[09:27] <Faustus> is that the latest hoary you're after?  It is a moving target
[09:27] <cutterjohn> (of course I'd like to see a 1G+ MFM drive... but...)
[09:27] <kakalto> synaptic?
[09:27] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: erasing time depends on the filesystem
[09:27] <kakalto> so cfdisk is installed?
[09:27] <nevyn> is there a standard keybinding to change desktop in metacity?
[09:27] <Faustus> ah you're after the iso
[09:27] <HappyFool> kakalto: try "which <command-name>" to see if that command is in the path
[09:28] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: according to my understanding its just a matter of delinking from the directory structure plus whatever free marking of sectors/blocks is required...
[09:28] <Faustus> hold on I'll try to get a link
[09:28] <jmhodges> kakalto: look under Computer and then some sub-menu there.. synaptic is a nice gui pkg management thing for debian and ubuntu
[09:28] <froud> Faustus, yes ISO
[09:29] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: if you have 1KB blocks, that involves blanking 1,048,576 inodes/allocation blocks/whatever they are called in the current filesystem
[09:29] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: and on top of this if you rm -rf / as root or sudo, you'd most likely be better off re-installing + backup restore even assuming you still had a semi working system left
[09:30] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: not everyone backs up regularly, and if you can stop it while it is going through the thousands of files in /dev, you save your /etc folder where most of your critical config files are
[09:30] <kakalto> cfdisk is hard!
[09:30] <froud> Faustus, what about http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/sounder-test/current/
[09:30] <kakalto> fdisk is much easier
[09:30] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: you gotta be kidding
[09:30] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: perhaps you're thinking of MS-DOS FDISK ?
[09:31] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: assuming that you don't back up everything regulary, /etc is not big enough that you should be able to backup several archived/compressed copies to a couple of other machines at minimum after every change, or even better cvs it
[09:31] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: in fact it should be a cron housekeeping job
[09:31] <Faustus> sorry I was thinking debian.  There was a link for sarge that I must have been thinking about.  Last I heard the hoary cd did not boot
[09:32] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: again, *most people* don't bother to back up their files.  anyhow, if you like to be in the dark about what files are being deleted, that is perfectly fine
[09:32] <cutterjohn> daily
[09:32] <kakalto> Samus_Aran, neither seem good :(
[09:32] <Faustus> so why not just upgrade warty to hoary?
[09:32] <Samus_Aran> kakalto: cfdisk is very straight-forward to use.  if you would like help, ask questions
[09:32] <kakalto> actually
[09:32] <kakalto> all I need to do is change the filesystems on 2 different drives
[09:32] <kakalto> how can I do this?>
[09:33] <cutterjohn> Samus_Aran: well, people who don't backup aren't exactly the type of people I'd like to try to support to restore a partially hosed system to functionality without except by fresh re-installation
[09:33] <Buuyo^> I'm trying to configure a bridge to get one IP from dhcp, and one static. http://www.pastebin.com/231990 When I run ifup br0:1 after an ifup br0 I get a peculiar error: Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device br0:1 ; Operation not supported.
[09:33] <froud> Faustus, documentation
[09:34] <Faustus> ? you want to know how to upgrade?
[09:34] <chrismurf> under hoary - what is the right way to edit the contents of the "Applications" menu?  Applications:/// doesn't seem to work...
[09:34] <Buuyo^> Am I missing something? eth0 is an ethernet nic
[09:34] <Buuyo^> and br0 is a bridge device
[09:34] <froud> Faustus, no, that I can do
[09:34] <Buuyo^> br0:1 should also be a bridge device, no?
[09:34] <HappyFool> kakalto: 'man mkfs'
[09:34] <Buuyo^> And if so, why is ifup apparently treating it like a wireless device/
[09:34] <Faustus> oh you want to document hoary got it
[09:35] <Samus_Aran> cutterjohn: if you have an intact /etc, you can at least save your system configuration for after the reinstall.  I wasn't saying not to reinstall
[09:35] <Faustus> did you go to the donload sites and search the mirrors?
[09:35] <kakalto> cfdisk is being silly to me
[09:36] <kakalto> it says it can't write the partition table
[09:36] <kakalto> "Wrote partition table, but re-read table failed. Reboot to update table."
[09:36] <kakalto> oh
[09:36] <kakalto> bye
[09:38] <randabis-laptop> is there a web-based browseable list of available ubuntu packages?
[09:38] <Stew2> Does anyone have a comment? I've got ubuntu upgraded. Synptic failed. I ran apt-get. I think xfree86 has switched to xorg. I'm running hoary. I'm limited to 640x480 x 60 hz
[09:39] <chrismurf> what is applications:/// called in hoary.
[09:39] <randabis-laptop> probably your xorg.conf
[09:39] <Faustus> froud:
[09:39] <Samus_Aran> goodnight all
[09:39] <froud> mdz, once I have array-3 where do I do upgrades from
[09:39] <Faustus> still there?
[09:39] <mdz> chrismurf: there is no facility to edit the Applications menu in hoary
[09:39] <mdz> froud: the system checks for updates automatically, once per day
[09:39] <chrismurf> mdz: oh - so you just have to edit the things by hand???
[09:39] <froud> Faustus, mdz has given me some directions here
[09:40] <subterrific> mdz: why not? what happened to the edit menu item?
[09:40] <mdz> froud: you'll see an icon appear in the notification area (near top-right) if there are updates available
[09:40] <mdz> froud: then you click on it, and that starts the upgrade process
[09:40] <Faustus> ftp://releases.ubuntu.com/cdimage/weekly-dvd/current/
[09:40] <froud> mdz ok something like YasT Online Update
[09:40] <froud> mdz, do I use the default location or is there another
[09:40] <mdz> subterrific: the GNOME menu system changed, and there isn't a menu editing facility for the new system
[09:41] <chrismurf> mdz: Why is that?  It was clunky enough before, but having a uri was better than nothing...
[09:41] <subterrific> mdz: gotcha
[09:41] <mdz> froud: you use the default, unless you have a problem with it
[09:41] <Faustus> ftp://releases.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/
[09:41] <groklem> anyone had any success w/ ndiswrapper? had it working under fedora
[09:41] <froud> mdz, Faustus OK thanks
[09:41] <groklem> installed ndiswrapper-utils
[09:42] <nevyn> keybinding for changing desktops??
[09:42] <randabis-laptop> so there's NO way at add menu entries in hoary?
[09:42] <chrismurf> randabis-laptop: apparently not
[09:43] <chrismurf> other than editing the text files, which I now cannot find
[09:43] <mdz> of course there is; otherwise there would be none there :-)
[09:43] <Get> Hi! Now I've installed ubuntu, but I haven't set any rootpassword, how to set it?
[09:43] <mdz> but I suppose you would need to create a .desktop file
[09:43] <mdz> Get: this is answered in the FAQ
[09:44] <subterrific> Get: you don't need a root password, you can use sudo to do everything
[09:44] <nevyn> Get: you don't...
[09:44] <randabis-laptop> a .desktop file in /home?
[09:44] <chrismurf> there is stuff in .gnome2/vfolders which should allow me to add it for just me
[09:44] <chrismurf> now I'm trying to find the place to add for all useres
[09:45] <mdz> Stew2: how long ago did this happen?  a bug like that was fixed in hoary recently
[09:45] <subterrific> read up on the freedesktop.org standard for menus
[09:45] <subterrific> thats what gnome uses now
[09:45] <chrismurf> tnx subt - will do
[09:45] <chrismurf> is an editor coming anytime soon?
[09:45] <chrismurf> that you know of?
[09:45] <subterrific> probably, i'm pretty sure they already have python libraries to edit the files
[09:46] <mdz> chrismurf, anyone else wondering about menu editing: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5471
[09:46] <chrismurf> okay - that's promising
[09:46] <chrismurf> randabis-laptop, http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-0.9.html
[09:46] <Get> mdz: k, thx
[09:47] <randabis-laptop> I'm reading it
[09:48] <Stew2> mdz this was within the last 12 hours. I ran synaptic, it closed suddenly while updating, after it had downloaded hundreds of megabytes of data. When I tried to close and reopen X, it wouldn't restart. So I ran apt-get and it didn't do very much, save tell me it was not installing xorg xserver core. So I told it to explicitly. I reconfigured X with what people on this channel told me to do. It's up and running, only at 640x480 60hz.
[09:48] <randabis-laptop> gah this is kinda blegh
[09:48] <chrismurf> mdz: Thank you (though that bug makes me sad :-) )
[09:48] <daniels> mdz: stunningly, Stew2 has a recent monitor that doesn't do DDC
[09:48] <nevyn> hrm
[09:49] <subterrific> woah
[09:49] <subterrific> what monitor?
[09:49] <Stew2> daniels: Yup. I would think it would. Let me look on the back. These micron monitors are re-branded.
[09:49] <daniels> subterrific: some form of LCD
[09:49] <Get> eeh, when I try to run any sys config program in gnome with requies root access I got this error: Failed to run users-admin as user root:
[09:49] <Get>  Child terminated with 1 status
[09:50] <Stew2> Micron LM-1764
[09:50] <pw> Wow. ubuntu installs an awful lot of Python stuff.
[09:50] <Get> nm
[09:51] <subterrific> mdz: what were you and froud talking about that adds a notification icon for updates?
[09:51] <Stew2> 17 in. ADI MicronScan LM1764 17VX Monitor w/ Micron Logo (MNN001024)
[09:54] <cutterjohn> ubuntu has an apparent affinity for python, other than its horrid whitespace delimitation its not bad
[09:55] <cutterjohn> ...and not nearly as obscufatable as perl...
[09:55] <subterrific> making code readable is horrid
[09:55] <daniels> Stew2: oh, adi.
[09:55] <cutterjohn> yes, shades of FORTRAN regardless of what drivel the python people say...
[09:55] <daniels> Stew2: although my old ADI CRT I never use does DDC
[09:56] <Stew2> Lookin it up.
[09:56] <geoffj> ruby would have been a nicer chooice rather than python; so I think :)
[09:57] <subterrific> anyone have array-3 installed? apparently it installs an applet that notifies you of updates?
[09:57] <cutterjohn> yes, but slower...
[09:57] <subterrific> ruby's stdlib isn't nearly as complete
[09:57] <cutterjohn> lua have been nice too, but its not really usable for anything largish...
[09:58] <kakalto> do I have to "mkfs" to my fat32 partition?
[09:58] <geoffj> I'm a ruby zealot, from a programming point-of-view it is heaven
[09:58] <QT> hi
[09:58] <subterrific> i've read a lot about it in the past, but something always turns me off about it
[09:59] <cutterjohn> I'm a whatever scripting language that is NOT a functional based language and NOT whitespace delimited type of scripter...
[09:59] <QT> is it possible to install ubuntu without CD-DVD drive?
[09:59] <cutterjohn> (...and not easily obfuscated...)
[09:59] <subterrific> i think complaining about whitespace is ridiculous, have you even tried to use python?
[10:00] <geoffj> cutterjohn: IOW; not perl or python :)
[10:00] <kakalto> do I have to "mkfs" to my fat32 partition?
[10:00] <cutterjohn> yes spacing all the way across the screen woohoo
[10:00] <subterrific> see, you're just being silly
[10:00] <cutterjohn> geoffj: yes
[10:00] <geoffj> subterrific: white matters a lot when you paste code samples and the indenting get screwed
[10:00] <kakalto> anyone?
[10:00] <subterrific> geoffj: which is why you use a sane editor
[10:01] <QT> i have a laptop with a broken DVD drive, but have an old linux on there. can i somehow install ubuntu on that brick?
[10:01] <cutterjohn> or a prettifier
[10:01] <subterrific> white space matters a lot more when you're reading other peoples code
[10:01] <QT> kakalto: did you create that partition right now? does it contain data?
[10:01] <subterrific> and that is what makes python a joy to use
[10:01] <geoffj> subterrific: try just using gaim or something, or work with people using different editors with diff length for tab
[10:01] <cutterjohn> sure...
[10:01] <subterrific> you can read anyones code
[10:01] <subterrific> because everyone's code is formatted the same
[10:01] <kakalto> QT: I just created it, it has no data
[10:02] <kakalto> but there is no mkfs far
[10:02] <kakalto> *fat
[10:02] <cutterjohn> really, I can read anyone C, C++, Pascal, Delphi, etc ad nauseum just fine
[10:02] <kakalto> or fat32
[10:02] <subterrific> geoffj: thats what web pastebins are for
[10:02] <cutterjohn> whitespace does NOT help me
[10:02] <QT> kakalto: then install it! dosfstools or so is the package called
[10:02] <geoffj> subterrific: In emacs I just grab any code, hit a key and it is formatted (except for python)
[10:02] <subterrific> geoffj: and all good editors handle different tab lengths
[10:02] <subterrific> geoffj: emacs does that for python too
[10:02] <subterrific> geoffj: so does vim
[10:02] <geoffj> subterrific: but not when many standards are used
[10:03] <kakalto> QT, does it come with ubuntu?
[10:03] <kakalto> or do I have to apt-get it or something
[10:03] <subterrific> geoffj: there is even a built in module in python to fix that problem
[10:03] <QT> kakalto: don't know
[10:03] <kakalto> I do
[10:03] <kakalto> just found out
[10:03] <kakalto> :)
[10:04] <kakalto> sadly I have to download it
[10:04] <geoffj> subterrific: sounds interesting, I can't see how it works but I've only spent about a day with python.
[10:04] <cutterjohn> geoffj: I've spent longer than that with it because some things Im interested in insist on using, and I still HATE the white space delimitation, and do NOT find it helpful
[10:05] <kakalto> how can I get a package?
[10:05] <subterrific> cutterjohn: whitespacedoeshelpyouithelpseveryoneandifyoudontthinksothenyoushouldremoveyourspacebarandtypeeverythinglikethisbecauseitwouldbereallyeasyforyoutoreadright
[10:05] <melazyboy2> ...
[10:06] <cutterjohn> subterrific: lets not go overboard, specifically white space and statement delimitation
[10:06] <melazyboy2> can anyone more 13
[10:06] <melazyboy2> be more 13*
[10:06] <geoffj> subterrific: I think cutterjohn means as a scoping delimiter
[10:06] <kakalto> how can I get a package, if it's not listed under my package manager?
[10:06] <kakalto> I want dosfstools
[10:07] <cutterjohn> geoffj: I meant for whatever sort of delimitation that python uses it for, which is pretty much everything
[10:07] <subterrific> i'm just making the point that whitespace is useful for reading, be it code or anything else
[10:08] <kakalto> wow
[10:08] <kakalto> my APT has Super Cow Powers
[10:08] <cutterjohn> yes its useful for reading, but not when used in excess
[10:08] <pvh> Where can I get codecs for Ubuntu?
[10:08] <stuNNed> subterrific, whitespace can get in the way for text files, no?
[10:08] <cutterjohn> e.g. python
[10:08] <cutterjohn> e.g. FORTRAN
[10:08] <daniels> ok, I think the language flamewar is now well and truly offtopic
[10:08] <stuNNed> lol
[10:08] <stuNNed> african!
[10:09] <subterrific> pvh: that is answered in the FAQ
[10:09] <jmhodges> offtopic sounds more than right
[10:09] <geoffj> subterrific: what about the following: "def foo:\nx=1\nx=2" how can emacs indent that?
[10:09] <stuNNed> daniels, hi, is it true some of the cd's shipped were burnt badly?
[10:09] <Stew2> Can anyone explain the following and how to fix it? http://pastebin.com/232000
[10:09] <pvh> subterrific: Thanks.
[10:09] <jmhodges> Stew2: thats not an issue
[10:09] <cutterjohn> geoffj: you can get emacs(or even vim for that matter or most other text editors) to reformat just about anything to anything that you might want...
[10:10] <jmhodges> Stew2: its just saying that that repo does not have a gpg key that you can reach
[10:10] <Stew2> jmhodges Just ignore the error then, apt-get will still work?
[10:10] <jmhodges> Stew2: don't worry about it, its just a warning.
[10:10] <jmhodges> Stew2: exactly
[10:10] <subterrific> geoffj: it can't, that isn't valid python. what it can do is take valid python and reformat it all to match one standard
[10:10] <cutterjohn> (or preprocess with prettifiers, tr, perl, awk, sed, whatever)
[10:11] <jmhodges> geoffj: he means that foo should have () between foo and :
[10:11] <kakalto> could geoffj and subterrific please go to #ubuntu-offtopic to discuss non-ubuntu topics.
[10:11] <geoffj> cutterjohn: I mean if x=1 is indented but x=2 is not you get a different program than if x=2 is indented. Hence emacs can't indent that automatically for you but subterrific said it could (so I interpreted)
[10:11] <jmhodges> ok, you know what yeah
[10:11] <jmhodges> thats exactly right
[10:11] <jmhodges> geoffj: subterrific: off you go :)
[10:12] <cutterjohn> geoffj: I see what you're really getting at, I wasn't paying attention, but yes you could still do it, but it would have to be case-by-case
[10:12] <cutterjohn> geoffj: and would be non-deterministic
[10:12] <Stew2> How often is hoary being updated? It seems constant.
[10:12] <jmhodges> Stew2: yep, its the unstable branch
[10:12] <cutterjohn> geoffj: and I think that we were declared offtopic anyways
[10:12] <jmhodges> its where all the neat, new toys are
[10:12] <geoffj> cutterjohn: I think so :)
[10:13] <jmhodges> Stew2: warty remains mostly stable, witha  few necessary updates once in a while
[10:13] <cutterjohn> geoffj: maybe we should insist on rewriting everything in Ada?
[10:13] <jmhodges> Stew2: hoary will eat your soul..
[10:13] <jmhodges> but who needs it?
[10:13] <geoffj> cutterjohn: lol
[10:13] <Stew2> well, it looks like things are back to normalish. I'll leave this session of xchat and move back to the ubuntu machine.
[10:13] <kakalto> could someone please tell me how to make a partition fat32 under ubuntu?
[10:13] <Stew2> jmhodges it hasn't yet. give it time.
[10:14] <jmhodges> hehe
[10:14] <Stew2> exit
[10:14] <cutterjohn> geoffj: then we could maybe get DARPA funding...
[10:14] <kakalto> the partition is currently not fat32, so windows likely won't recognize it
[10:15] <kakalto> not that I would know what app to use under win
[10:19] <kakalto> ...
[10:19] <kakalto> anyone?
[10:20] <daniels> stuNNed: er, I don't know.  first I've heard of it.  and bear in mind they were pressed, not burned.
[10:20] <pvh> subterrific: The faq was a little light on detail and didn't answer my specific question about getting MP3s to work in Rhythm-Box.
[10:20] <melazyboy2> kakalto: Do you need to retain data?
[10:20] <subterrific> pvh: you need the gstreamer-mad plugin
[10:20] <melazyboy2> kakalto: Or can you lose the data in the space you want to partition
[10:20] <kakalto> yes
[10:20] <kakalto> I have made the partition
[10:21] <stuNNed> daniels, k thanks cuz dr so and so at uni tried the livecd on her compaq laptop and once got past grub black screen
[10:21] <kakalto> but I want it to be fat32
[10:21] <kakalto> so that both win and linux can access it
[10:21] <melazyboy2> kakalto: use cfdisk
[10:21] <randabis-laptop> hmmm captive-ntfs...
[10:21] <kakalto> that doesn't put a filesystem onto the partition
[10:21] <kakalto> cfdisk partitions it.
[10:22] <pvh> subterrific: I must need to enable Universal in SPM...
[10:22] <daniels> stuNNed: it could be that Linux just has trouble with her laptop
[10:22] <kakalto> you tell cfdisk "linux.", then you need to do "mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hda*"
[10:22] <kakalto> with the star as the proper no.
[10:22] <kakalto> when you tell cfdisk "fat32.", then you need to make give it the filesystem
[10:22] <stuNNed> daniels, it's a new compaq, i haven't searched on the net for it, really haven't had the time but she said the cd might be bad and test it on another machine which i didn't have time to do, sorry :(
[10:23] <kakalto> but I don't trust the windows formatter
[10:23] <stuNNed> daniels, being beginning of the semester been busy building labs
[10:23] <Stew2> It seems my monitor does not support DDC. That grail scene from indian jones Choosen -Poorly-. At least, I don't have to die.
[10:23] <kakalto> I suppose I'll just have to
[10:24] <kakalto> I can't see anything on the net
[10:24] <subterrific> pvh: yup
[10:24] <Stew2> The monitor is flickering, tho.
[10:24] <pvh> subterrific: And there she is. Thanks!
[10:24] <Stew2> How do I set the refresh rates, what file do I edit?
[10:25] <kakalto> x11-config?
[10:25] <Stew2> it's xorg now instead of xfree86, I think... Does that make any difference in the config file name?
[10:26] <melazyboy2> Stew2: yes
[10:26] <kakalto> I'm not sure exactly where it is, and x11 is xorg
[10:26] <melazyboy2> Stew2: XFree86-4 = xorg.conf
[10:26] <stuNNed> x11ewlios
[10:27] <Stew2> melazyboy2 Is there an app I can run to go through the display setup process. Everything else is working so far.
[10:27] <Stew2> Hoary is neat.
[10:27] <melazyboy2> Stew2: Just copy the numbers off the back of your montier put them in the Horiz and Vert refresh rates in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:27] <tuxJr_14> hi
[10:28] <kakalto> could someone please link me up with a general linux forum, the bigger the better?
[10:28] <Stew2> thks
[10:28] <zeedo> www,linuxquestions.org
[10:28] <kakalto> thanks
[10:28] <zeedo> kakalto: ^ pretty much the biggest generic one I beleive
[10:28] <zeedo> np :)
[10:29] <pvh> subterrific: Again, thanks for your advice.
[10:29] <melazyboy2> Stew2: additionally you can go Desktop->Administration->Screen Resolution in Gnome
[10:31] <Stew2> melazyboy2 the only choice is 60 hz
[10:31] <melazyboy2> Stew2: Ah just edit xorg.conf then its not hard
[10:32] <daniels> melazyboy2: (fwiw, i've fixed the bug already)
[10:32] <daniels> Stew2: if you run XORG_FORCE_PROBE=yes XORG_SYNC_RANGES=yes sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, it will do that for you
[10:32] <melazyboy2> daniels: What bug are you referring too?
[10:33] <Stew2> daniels It's not a DCC monitor, member?
[10:33] <daniels> melazyboy2: basically, at the moment, it won't write out sync ranges if the monitor doesn't do DDC properly
[10:34] <daniels> i've fixed that locally yesterday
[10:34] <Stew2> I got the xorg.conf file open. I'm in the right section. I've just got to pull up the website with the info. I don't think the back of the monitor has it.
[10:34] <daniels> Stew2: yah, but XORG_SYNC_RANGES=yes tells it to write out sync ranges it works out itself
[10:34] <Stew2> permenant pen out to fix it!
[10:34] <rython> hi
[10:34] <Stew2> daniels I did run that command earlier.
[10:34] <daniels> oh, wack
[10:36] <Stew2> ADI MicroScan 5V
[10:36] <Stew2> yeah, you get some sleep and then a nice massage ;)
[10:36] <kakalto> stew2, search on the internet for your monitor specs if you don't have them
[10:37] <tim> can anyone tell me how to see my bios manufacturer and version without rebooting?
[10:38] <kakalto> tim: can anyone tell me how to see whether my car needs washing without going into the garage?
[10:39] <randabis-laptop> telescope!
[10:39] <tim> kakalto: heehee hmmm ok... thought there might be a way to find it in /proc or something
[10:39] <tim> kakalto: since I would have thought the kernel would know that info
[10:40] <kakalto> tim, possibly, but... I don't really know
[10:40] <kakalto> I wouldn't expect so
[10:41] <kakalto> tim, have you ever seen what version of bios you have from any other OS?
[10:42] <randabis-laptop> I have :p
[10:42] <kakalto> do tell
[10:42] <randabis-laptop> abit's flash utility
[10:42] <randabis-laptop> in windows
[10:42] <tim> kakalto: no, I haven't.  But I kind of figured that if the linux kernel is deciding not to load APCI support because it reckons my bios is too old, it might have the info swhere
[10:42] <randabis-laptop> called flashmenu I think
[10:42] <kakalto> I hate bios problems
[10:43] <kakalto> they're evil
[10:43] <randabis-laptop> hmm
[10:43] <randabis-laptop> that's an idea...
[10:43] <randabis-laptop> run flashmenu in wine...heh
[10:44] <davepet> Prolly won't work unless you have an abit board anyway
[10:46] <davepet> I don't *think* it's the kernel making the decision, in any event, most likely the install routine did that.
[10:47] <tim> davepet: so even if I find an update for the bios, it might not be checking each time?
[10:48] <davepet> bios runs b4 the os even sees the light of day
[10:48] <melazyboy2> Is there anyway to make console fonts, not term fonts smaller?
[10:49] <davepet> it tells your machine how to find the HD where the MDR is
[10:49] <davepet> MBR, sorry
[10:50] <tim> I did find a utility called biosdecode but it doesn't really seem to have the info I want
[10:50] <daniels> tim: try sudo dmidecode
[10:50] <Cappe_Ubuntu> ciao
[10:51] <tim> daniels: that command doesn't exist on my system
[10:51] <daniels> tim: sudo apt-get install dmidecode
[10:51] <daniels> it should be installed on any Ubuntu system, though
[10:51] <daniels>         BIOS Information
[10:51] <daniels>                 Vendor: Phoenix Technologies, LTD
[10:51] <daniels>                 Version: 6.00 PG
[10:51] <daniels>                 Release Date: 09/09/2002
[10:51] <daniels> [...] 
[10:52] <Cappe_Ubuntu> do you know url of irc ubuntu italian channel?
[10:52] <daniels> #ubuntu-it
[10:52] <tim> daniels: Actually does exist, I misread what you typed. Great, that's what I was looking for
[10:52] <tim>     BIOS Information
[10:52] <tim>                 Vendor: Dell Computer Corporation
[10:52] <tim>                 Version: A02
[10:52] <tim>                 Release Date: 11/30/2000
[10:52] <tim>                 Address: 0xF0000
[10:52] <tim>                 Runtime Size: 64 kB
[10:53] <tim>                 ROM Size: 512 kB
[10:53] <tim>                 Characteristics:
[10:53] <tim> sorry to dump into the channel, it was more than I thought
[10:53] <davepet> It's highly likely there is a newer bios fr that machine
[10:55] <Cappe_Ubuntu> thanks
[10:55] <spiral> hi
[10:55] <davepet> This Dell Lattitude CPiA 366XT is on bios version A15
[10:55] <kakalto> what is the ubuntu text-based editor?
[10:56] <kakalto> not gedit, but...
[10:56] <kakalto> ?
[10:56] <melazyboy2> kakalto: its horrid, use gvim =D
[10:56] <subterrific> kakalto: nano and vim are installed by defualt i think
[10:56] <kakalto> kewl.
[10:57] <melazyboy2> so is gnome-emacs
[10:57] <subterrific> kakalto: if you don't know vi, i recommend nano
[10:57] <kakalto> nano is my favourite
[10:57] <kakalto> I used it when installing gentoo
[10:57] <subterrific> melazyboy2: gnome-emacs is definitely not installed by default
[10:58] <kakalto> isn't emacs native to kde?
[10:58] <daniels> er, no
[10:58] <daniels> emacs predates kde by about ... ten years, I think
[10:59] <subterrific> in fact, what is gnome-emacs?
[10:59] <daniels> emacs with a gtk/gnome frontend
[10:59] <subterrific> don't see a package for it
[10:59] <kakalto> what is emacs native to?
[10:59] <subterrific> i thought there was only xemacs and emacs
[10:59] <kakalto> there's winemacs
[10:59] <subterrific> kakalto: the console
[10:59] <kakalto> win-emacs
[11:00] <kakalto> not wine-macs
[11:00] <kakalto> :P
[11:00] <daniels> i think emacs even predates x
[11:00] <subterrific> pretty sure it does
[11:01] <kakalto> well, I'm gonna hit the sack
[11:01] <kakalto> g'night all
[11:01] <daniels> iirc emacs is ~1983; x11r1 came out in 1986
[11:01] <davepet> I hate to interupt this text editor discussion ;o) but anyone know how long the cd's are taking these days? I ordered at the end of Nov & still waiting
[11:02] <daniels> davepet: it depends -- they get sent out in batches
[11:02] <davej> hello all
[11:02] <daniels> davepet: i believe the next batch is due to be sent out in a couple of weeks
[11:03] <davej> I downloaded the ISO and burned to a CD-R
[11:03] <davepet> 28.8 here, dl is not viable
[11:03] <davej> oh, sorry
[11:03] <davej> can a friend download?
[11:03] <davepet> me too
[11:04] <davepet> it's complicated
[11:04] <davepet> but possible
[11:04] <davej> what city are you in?
[11:04] <neofeed> is there a graphical tool to configure cron?
[11:04] <davepet> I'm out in the boonies
[11:05] <davepet> no city w/in0 mile
[11:05] <davepet> 40 miles
[11:06] <frop> hallo
[11:06] <davej> Then if someone burned a CD-R and mail that would solve the problem
[11:06] <davej> hello frop
[11:07] <frop> i've some problems installing ubuntu on a p200
[11:07] <davepet> I figured the cd offer was better than talking a win user into doing the DL ;o)
[11:07] <frop> debian/ubuntu installer locks itself at 33%
[11:07] <frop> of the base system
[11:07] <davej> frop did you try the diag option?
[11:07] <frop> ?
[11:08] <frop> expert mode?
[11:08] <davej> that worked for me on the liveCD boot, it is the last menu choice in 4.10 liveCD
[11:08] <frop> davej tell me...
[11:08] <frop> please...
[11:08] <frop> mmm
[11:08] <frop> no
[11:09] <frop> i've neither see it
[11:10] <davej> When booting the LiveCD 4.10 the last choice on the menu is Diagnostic ... that work on a problem system for me
[11:10] <frop> another time on "Installing core packages..."
[11:10] <frop> ...and i'm installing 5.xx
[11:11] <frop> i had this problem on other old hw too
[11:12] <frop> davej trying now
[11:15] <davej> hello zer0
[11:15] <davepet> davej: yes, if someone could burn & mail, problem solved...the officia cd's could then *all* be given away when they get here
[11:17] <davepet> I'm in between Saramento. Ca & Reno, Nv, if anyone is offering....
[11:17] <zer0`> hi davej
[11:17] <davej> hello
[11:18] <davej> davepet: address?
[11:18] <davej> PO Box maybe?
[11:18] <davepet> PO Box 97 Emigrant Gap, Ca 95715
[11:19] <davepet> Yeah I *know* I shouldn't post that ;o)
[11:19] <davej> :-)
[11:20] <davepet> he he
[11:20] <davepet> Junk mail makes good fire starter
[11:20] <davej> or padding
[11:21] <davepet> I figure I burn a 1/2 cord a year
[11:21] <davej> PO BOX 97, EMIGRANT GAP CA, 95715-0097
[11:21] <davepet> ?? looks right to me
[11:22] <davej> burning now... sending from Campbell, CA
[11:22] <davej> how much postage does a CD-R need?
[11:22] <davepet> Thank you, I've been saving a place for Ubuntu since I ordered it
[11:23] <davej> it works well on my laptop and desktop,  oh, I just have the LiveCD 4.10 not the install version :-)
[11:23] <davepet> No Idea, let me know & I'll send it back to you, plus a little for the effort & mat'l
[11:24] <randabis-laptop> dang apple's stock is up 213%
[11:24] <davej> iPods and minimacs
[11:25] <randabis-laptop> yeah
[11:25] <randabis-laptop> I'd like to have a mac mini myself :)
[11:25] <frop> very beauty a macmini...
[11:26] <davej> davepet: are you needing LiveCD or Install CD?
[11:26] <tim> once you start thinking about all the stuff you'd want like superdriver, bluetooth, wireless keyboard and mouse (to keep the level of style) it gets expensive...
[11:26] <xukun> crimsun, do you think you could make the time to help me with my nvidia card?
[11:26] <frop> tim: sure...
[11:26] <frop> like 1000
[11:27] <frop> btw...it's 16.5x16.5x5
[11:27] <zoyd> hi
[11:27] <tim> frop: so it's low satisfaction because if you buy the base model you will want the extra stuff, but if you get it you didn't get a budget system anymore :( ;-)
[11:28] <frop> tim: btw...it so sweety
[11:28] <frop> :)
[11:28] <frop> ...and with a good lcd...
[11:28] <frop> wow
[11:29] <frop> my next desktop...when i'll have money
[11:29] <tim> frop: What OS would you run?
[11:29] <davepet> davej:I'll take either, but I want to install, eventally. Everything I hear tells me Ubuntu is going to knock my socks off.
[11:29] <frop> tim: where?
[11:29] <frop> on a macmini?
[11:29] <frop> :)
[11:30] <tim> yes
[11:30] <frop> osx
[11:30] <frop> what a question!!
[11:30] <davej> davepet: Linspire is nice too, but not free like Ubuntu
[11:30] <Nap> hello
[11:30] <tim> frop: Would be a great environment, but something in my always rebels against the idea of going proprietry.
[11:30] <randabis-laptop> I would get the 599 model
[11:31] <frop> tim: eheh
[11:31] <tim> and then I think, well if I'm running linux, mayas well just go x86 for cheaper hardware
[11:31] <rovragge> I want to stay with ubuntu with my current packages but use debian sid for everything not already installed from hoary. I started with debian sid and added some hoary pkgs. Those work fine. Now I want to revert to sid for the rest. How?
[11:31] <frop> sure...installing ubuntu on a p200
[11:32] <xukun> crimsun, are you in?
[11:32] <davej> hello Nap
[11:32] <zoyd> i just finished installing ... it doesn't seem to have asked for a root password
[11:32] <randabis-laptop> root is disabled
[11:32] <Nap> how can I report a bug for hoary ?
[11:32] <zoyd> oh
[11:32] <Nap> on bugzilla there are only warty packages
[11:33] <davepet> davej: I've heard...I've been using Xandros for 2 years now, actually...looking for a bit more control over my desktop & better performance on my old HW
[11:33] <zoyd> randabis-laptop: how do i login as root?
[11:33] <randabis-laptop> ubuntu uses the sudo system rather than a traditional root account
[11:33] <zoyd> oh
[11:33] <randabis-laptop> you can enable root if you wish though
[11:34] <zoyd> 'sudo root'?
[11:34] <randabis-laptop> sudo passwd root actually
[11:34] <xukun> zoyd, dont unable it. U just dont need it
[11:34] <randabis-laptop> after root is given a password things like su - work etc
[11:35] <davej> I bought a server from SC420 small business server from Dell, 2.5Ghz Celeron, 80GB SATA HDD and 512MB Ram for $229 at the end
[11:35] <zoyd> ok, how do i use as a sudo user?
[11:35] <davej> of last year
[11:35] <tim> zoyd: say you want to run a command as root, you do sudo <command>
[11:35] <davej> but now its back to 375 for a P4
[11:35] <tim> zoyd: then it will ask for a passwd, put your passwd in
[11:36] <xukun> that would be just your normal user passwd
[11:36] <zoyd> ok, done.
[11:36] <zoyd> cool
[11:36] <Nermal> helloo..
[11:36] <Nermal> just upgraded to hoary
[11:36] <randabis-laptop> if you get annoyed with typing sudo over and over again, you can also open a root terminal
[11:36] <Nermal>  upgraded 844 packages, fell asleep during the config, battery died sometime in the night, and everything is upgraded and working perfectly
[11:36] <randabis-laptop> it's in system tools
[11:37] <Nermal> I'm well impressed :)
[11:37] <randabis-laptop> cool
[11:37] <stuNNed> is it normal to use more swap than memory?
[11:38] <frop> davej: there's no Diagnostic on my menu
[11:38] <randabis-laptop> I use a lot more memory than swap
[11:38] <xukun> stuNNed, sure
[11:38] <frop> ...only a CD check integrity
[11:39] <stuNNed> xukun, using like over 300mb out of over 400mb of swap and only 300mb of memory, that's ok?
[11:39] <zoyd> to get a exported X app on this ubuntu box ... should i remove "-nolisten tcp" from where X is started?
[11:39] <subterrific> zoyd: you run the X server on the machine you want to see the app on
[11:39] <Nermal> just use ssh -X ? :)
[11:39] <xukun> stuNNed, that is ok if you can miss it
[11:41] <stuNNed> xukun, is there any way to flush the swap partition besides rebooting?
[11:41] <zoyd> i'll try
[11:42] <davepet> stuNNed:how mch RAM do you have?
[11:42] <stuNNed> davej, 1024
[11:42] <frop> so...no...it's not normale
[11:42] <frop> :)
[11:42] <stuNNed> really?
[11:43] <frop> well...before using swap...it should use your free RAM
[11:43] <ajmitch> stuNNed: my box with 1GB RAM can easily use that much swap
[11:43] <stuNNed> 341mem used/307swap used
[11:43] <stuNNed> ajmitch, k
[11:43] <ajmitch> because a lot of that RAM will be used for cache & buffers
[11:43] <ajmitch> and this can be tuned :)
[11:44] <xukun> stuNNed, sorry dont know that
[11:44] <davepet> stuNNed: Linux tends to use up all the ram FIRST, B4 using swap
[11:45] <subterrific> stuNNed: where are you getting those stats?
[11:45] <stuNNed> ajmitch, doesn't look like alot of cache is being used at this point '61% is in use of which 21% is cache'
[11:45] <stuNNed> subterrific, applets and system monitor
[11:45] <zoyd> subterrific: "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting."
[11:46] <frop> stuNNed: try top on a console
[11:46] <frop> Mem:    385892k total,   382464k used,     3428k free,      964k buffers
[11:46] <frop> Swap:   374968k total,    12172k used,   362796k free,   200700k cached
[11:46] <davej> im back
[11:46] <stuNNed> frop, k
[11:47] <subterrific> stuNNed: btw that can be normal
[11:47] <frop> btw...apllets should be right
[11:47] <subterrific> stuNNed: it depends on what you have running
[11:47] <stuNNed> Mem:    906736k total,   539584k used,   367152k free,     6928k buffers
[11:47] <stuNNed> Swap:   500428k total,   296992k used,   203436k free,   191420k cached
[11:48] <stuNNed> subterrific, i got lots of stuff open
[11:48] <subterrific> stuNNed: the linux kernel does a really good job handling swap and memory
[11:48] <subterrific> stuNNed: basically, you don't need to worry about it
[11:48] <subterrific> :)
[11:48] <stuNNed> k thnx
[11:48] <stuNNed> :)
[11:49] <ajmitch> subterrific: although I can easily fill both ram & swap here :)
[11:49] <zoyd> later
[11:49] <stuNNed> most of swap is cache :D
[11:49] <davepet> stuNNed: Sorry, but something's wrong if it's not using all your RAM b4 sing swap
[11:49] <subterrific> davepet: no it isn't
[11:49] <Soulstorm> I need someone to help me - I have trouble getting the nvidia drivers to work
[11:50] <Soulstorm> more spesifically nvidia-glx
[11:50] <davepet> Well, it always works that way here
[11:50] <subterrific> davepet: if you're using linux, it doesn't
[11:50] <Soulstorm> anybody done it before?
[11:50] <scylax> hi
[11:51] <scylax> anyone here uses the eagle-usb driver ?
[11:51] <xukun> I,m doomed to use the nv module for my hoary laptop, becouse apt-get install nvidia-glx installs the 6629 driver which dont work for me, the 6111 always worked fine for me
[11:51] <frop> grrr...it's not working!!!
[11:52] <Soulstorm> xukun: apt-get says the nvidia-glx package has been removed or something...
[11:52] <Soulstorm> apt-cache sees it, but when I try to install...nothing
[11:52] <subterrific> davepet: some things get swapped just because they aren't being used, in anticipation of possibly needing that space for something new
[11:52] <davepet> I\well, some don't consider Xandros Linux ;o), but yeah whenever I bother to check, RAM is maxed out & swap is almost empty.
[11:53] <davepet> mIGHT JUST BE MY USEAGE PATTERNS, THOUGH
[11:53] <davepet> Soryy, cap lock
[11:54] <ephemeral> is 4.10 the latest ver?
[11:54] <xukun> Soulstorm, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[11:54] <davepet> Sheech  *hate* laptop keyboards....
[11:55] <xukun> ephemeral, yes
[11:55] <Soulstorm> how do i dl new packages
[11:55] <ephemeral> whats the Hoary Array CD? is that for clusters?
[11:55] <xukun> like what?
[11:55] <subterrific> Soulstorm: Computer->System Configuration->Synaptic
[11:55] <subterrific> ephemeral: that is a new beta
[11:56] <subterrific> ephemeral: not recommended for general use yet
[11:56] <ephemeral> ah ok
[11:56] <Soulstorm> subterrific: can I get new packages from ubuntu.org using the package manager?
[11:56] <ephemeral> soulstorm, u need to use the Synaptic tool
[11:57] <subterrific> subterrific: yes, Synaptic is the tool to do it
[11:57] <subterrific> err Soulstorm
[11:58] <ephemeral> btw, is Ubuntu considering multiple WMs in the future?
[11:58] <Soulstorm> xukun:derick@stoomtrein:~ $ sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[11:58] <Soulstorm> Reading Package Lists... Done
[11:58] <Soulstorm> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[11:58] <Soulstorm> Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:58] <Soulstorm> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[11:58] <Soulstorm> is only available from another source
[11:58] <Soulstorm> E: Package nvidia-glx has no installation candidate
[11:58] <Soulstorm> derick@stoomtrein:
[11:58] <subterrific> Soulstorm: apt-get update ?
[11:58] <Soulstorm> subterrific: synaptic - I don't have any trouble getting the packages off the cd
[11:59] <Soulstorm> synaptic: but nothing off the web
[11:59] <xukun> Soulstorm, yes do that first
[11:59] <Soulstorm> subterrific: is there an option I am overlooking?
[11:59] <subterrific> Soulstorm: sounds like you need to refresh the list of packages
[11:59] <davej> davepet: you LiveCD CD-R is in the mailbox
[11:59] <davej> your...
[11:59] <subterrific> Soulstorm: you can do it with apt-get update or the refresh button in synaptic
[12:00] <davepet> Thanks davej
[12:00] <subterrific> Soulstorm: you can also edit /etc/apt/sources.list or use the gui editor in synaptic to add/enable/disable repositories
[12:00] <davepet> been wau\iting a while to give it a try
[12:00] <davej> I know how it feels when you want to try something and you have to wait forever ...
[12:01] <xukun> Soulstorm, maybe you should add  multiverse
[12:02] <davej> good night all! have to get up early :-)
[12:02] <davepet> gniite davej
[12:02] <davepet> & thanks
[12:02] <xukun> davej, n8
[12:03] <davej> Stunned: you asked my about how much memory I was using in PC for Ubutu  512MB
[12:03] <Soulstorm> xukun: yes!!!!! that is what i want to do - now how do I add universe / multiverse
[12:03] <davej> thanks
[12:04] <stuNNed> davej, k thanks, was wondering if way to flush swap partition but i'm not worried about it, i do have alot of stuff open :)
[12:04] <xukun> Soulstorm, sudo synaptic
[12:04] <xukun> from console
[12:05] <davej> ur welcome
[12:05] <davej> StuNNed
[12:05] <xukun> then go to Settings > Repositories
[12:05] <stuNNed> davej, running warty or hoary
[12:05] <stuNNed> ?
[12:06] <davej> warty
[12:06] <davej> public PC I setup
[12:06] <pw> Hmm.
[12:06] <pw> How can I restore the default set of desktop icons?
[12:07] <t325> in themes normally (if you run gnome)
[12:07] <xukun> Soulstorm, are you with me?
[12:07] <Soulstorm> xukon: then what? - I'm with you...
[12:14] <sabdfl> hi all
[12:14] <stuNNed> hi sabdfl
[12:14] <sabdfl> anybody know how to tell the screensaver to chill out when using a box remotely?
[12:14] <sabdfl> mark@flash:~$ xscreensaver-command -restart
[12:14] <sabdfl> xscreensaver-command: warning: $DISPLAY is not set: defaulting to ":0.0".
[12:14] <sabdfl> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[12:14] <sabdfl> Xlib: No protocol specified
[12:14] <sabdfl> xscreensaver-command: can't open display :0.0
[12:14] <sabdfl> ?
[12:15] <housetier> set the DISPLAY variable
[12:15] <xukun> anybody knows aptitude well?
[12:16] <sabdfl> housetier: to?
[12:16] <sabdfl> xukun: what do you need?
[12:16] <topyli> xukun: define "well" :)
[12:17] <xukun> sec
[12:17] <housetier> sabdfl to the host and display # you are connecting from
[12:18] <housetier> you can have ssh set it up correctly automatically
[12:18] <daniels> sabdfl: seems like you need to ssh -X or -Y
[12:18] <daniels> sabdfl: (assuming you're SSHing into the box you're running the X server on)
[12:19] <sabdfl> x server / client terminology always bakes my noodle
[12:19] <sabdfl> i'm ssh'ing into a box far far away
[12:20] <sabdfl> on that box is running an xscreensaver session
[12:20] <sabdfl> which is sucking resources
[12:20] <sabdfl> i want to -throttle it
[12:20] <daniels> sabdfl: run ssh -Y box.running.the.rampant.xscreensaver
[12:21] <daniels> and then xscreensaver-command -restart
[12:21] <fabbione> sabdfl: you could renice it to -20
[12:21] <daniels> sabdfl: (X server: the box where stuff is displaying; X clients: the actual applications)
[12:21] <topyli> klaym: ah, countrymen. i'll drink to that
[12:21] <daniels> sabdfl: it really got me for a while, then after a while, thinking about it the other way seemed counter-intuitive.  ho hum. :)
[12:22] <sabdfl> daniels: and if i have to ssh through a couple of boxes first?
[12:22] <sabdfl> just ssh -Y to all of them?
[12:23] <spacey`ki> killall xscreensaver?
[12:23] <bubbaonlinux> question: anyone besides me had trouble setting up ample? i read the man and to the best of my ability all i'm suppose to do is add the port and the mp3 path in a config file but when i type ample nothing seems to happen i look in pgrep -l ample and don't see the process and i even nmap'd myself and don't see the port open any help would be great
[12:24] <sabdfl> spacey`ki: seal clubber :-)
[12:24] <spacey`ki> hehe:))
[12:24] <daniels> sabdfl: right
[12:24] <sabdfl> daniels: doesn't work, same error
[12:24] <daniels> sabdfl: gnuh
[12:24] <sabdfl> AUDIT: Sat Jan 22 11:21:35 2005: 7597 X: client 24 rejected from local host
[12:24] <sabdfl> AUDIT: Sat Jan 22 11:24:06 2005: 7597 X: client 24 rejected from local host
[12:24] <sabdfl> from the Xorg.log
[12:25] <daniels> oh, sorry, you don't need to SSH forward
[12:25] <daniels> ignore me, I'm a twonk
[12:25] <daniels> is the screensaver running as the same user as you?
[12:25] <sabdfl> yes
[12:25] <sabdfl> time to fetch the club?
[12:26] <daniels> hm
[12:26] <daniels> that's really weird
[12:26] <daniels> your ~/.Xauthority should take care of that
[12:26] <spacey`ki> why figure out a hard way when you can solve it quick and painless :)
[12:28] <sabdfl> daniels: what generates the .Xauthority file?
[12:28] <peglax> How can I turn off the autostart of nautilus on any mount?
[12:29] <Djassper> hi (?)
[12:29] <xukun> daniels, can you help me with a small problem I,m having
[12:29] <bubbaonlinux> isn't it ssh-keygen?
[12:29] <xukun> ?
[12:30] <Djassper> anyone knows what to tell during the vmware install for the question :"What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[12:30] <Djassper> kernel?" ?
[12:31] <peglax> Djassper, install the linux-headers-<version> package matching your kernel
[12:31] <Ephemeral> how can i mount my NTFS partition?
[12:32] <xukun> daniels I need to install the 6111 version of nvidia drivers with apt-get install nvidia-glx, but that would only install the latest package which is the 6629 driver, is there a way? I,m using hoary
[12:32] <daniels> xukun: no, sorry; providing both versions is just too hard
[12:32] <Djassper> peglax, ok how do i install that ? apt-get linux-header ..?
[12:32] <daniels> sabdfl: when you run startx, or login through a ?dm, ~/.Xauthority gets generated for that user
[12:32] <daniels> sabdfl: so, if it's someone else, you can su - $user, and manipulate it that way
[12:33] <peglax> Djassper, apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:34] <mz2> xukun, use the "force version" on synaptic. am not sure of how you'd do it on command line
[12:35] <Djassper> humm uname is a variable ?
[12:36] <xukun> daniels, I,m not doing this becouse its fan, its just becouse the 6629 version does not work at all with my card, I get wierd lines with all kind of colors at the right side of screen, even the nvidia logo shows this. the 6111 driver version worked fine for me
[12:36] <xukun> fun
[12:36] <Djassper> ok how do i know the linux-header version i have to install  ?
[12:37] <peglax> Djassper, uname -r tells you what kernel version you are running
[12:37] <daniels> xukun: yeah, I understand, and I know how broken it is, and it sucks
[12:37] <daniels> xukun: but there's just no way we can provide both versions
[12:37] <Mabus> Hi! Does anyone know when the new OOo2 packages will hit the archive? :)
[12:37] <Djassper> ohh ok peglax it works thanks
[12:38] <xukun> I need to find a way to install the 6111 verion
[12:38] <sabdfl> daniels: ok, so because i logged in to that machine through gdm, the .Xauthority is setup for that login
[12:38] <xukun> daniels, thanks any way
[12:38] <sabdfl> and now i'm ssh'ing into the same box and trying to connect to the same display and it's saying no thanks
[12:39] <daniels> sabdfl: that's weird
[12:39] <daniels> sabdfl: it should be loving you
[12:44] <Djassper> peglax may be one more hint please :) once the linux-header is installed , in what folder is it stored ?
[12:44] <martyr> hi people. I've been trying to get ubuntu-amd64's X11 to run on my notebook for quite a while, but in vain. Got a Ati Mobility Radeon 9700 card and a WXGA (1280*800) display. when i start X11, it fails complaining about being unable to load module v4l. in addition, the display gets very dark after that (can hardly read wite text on black background anymore). any ideas, please? :(
[12:44] <xukun> daniels, somebody told me that I could use aptitude and downgrade the nvidia drivers to 6111 version, then put them on hold
[12:46] <Mabus> martyr: that's "Video 4 Linux".
[12:46] <t325> xukun, installing it with the NVIDIA installer isn't so terrible.. I can guide you, if you want (open two text only sessions, one with a textmode irc and the other for installing NVdrivers)
[12:47] <martyr> Mabus: so, is this the problem?
[12:48] <daniels> xukun: you'd also need to be running 2.6.8.1, though
[12:48] <daniels> martyr: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, and delete the 'Load "v4l"' line
[12:48] <xukun> daniels, yes that is what I was afraid of
[12:49] <martyr> daniels, okay, i'll try :)
[12:49] <xukun> t325, that will go for the installer too
[12:50] <t325> what do you mean? (my english isn't perfect..)
[12:51] <xukun> daniels, what if I use the nvdida installer to install the 6111?
[12:51] <albator1932> hi there
[12:53] <daniels> xukun: should work fine
[12:53] <daniels> xukun: actually, no
[12:53] <daniels> xukun: it won't work on recent kernels
[12:53] <daniels> needs patches for 2.6.9 *and* 2.6.10
[12:53] <daniels> and no-one's patched it for 2.6.10 that I know of
[12:53] <xukun> damm
[12:54] <xukun> daniels, then I,m .....
[12:54] <albator1932> someone here could help me with a sound problem ?
[12:56] <t325> at least in mandrake, changing some lines in driver source (extract it) does the trick for the recent kernels problem. I paste you the tuto I have for mdk in pv; I must leave, some1 called me for a no more booting XP..
[01:01] <skuthan> hello people. i've got a question regarding ubuntu, is this the right place? here goes: on my acer travelmate the keys:  > < don't work on the X-server. do you know how to fix this?
[01:02] <daniels> skuthan: where do you live, and what keyboard layout/language did you pick during the install?
[01:03] <daniels> skuthan: sounds like your keyboard is set up for 104 characters, when it needs 105
[01:04] <skuthan> i've got a german keyboard, living in austria, but an english install, all other keys work though
[01:05] <skuthan> how do you switch 104 or 105 keys?
[01:08] <skuthan> ok, i've found the line in xf86config, will try to set it to 105 keys, back in a sec
[01:09] <Soulstorm> WHOOOHOOOO!!!!!
[01:09] <Soulstorm> super happy
[01:09] <Soulstorm> ta xukun - ogl working now
[01:09] <Soulstorm> with accel
[01:09] <xukun> Soulstorm, I,m happy for you
[01:10] <Soulstorm> now - nuxt up - getting my SBLive to work
[01:10] <albator1932> same for me
[01:10] <albator1932> i've an audigy LS
[01:10] <Soulstorm> no mp3....torture :(
[01:10] <albator1932> and no sound...
[01:11] <Soulstorm> it's horrible
[01:11] <albator1932> and i've still no solution to get it work
[01:11] <albator1932> :/
[01:11] <sl8r> are there any Hoary ISOs (apart from the experimental Live-CD) available for download yet?
[01:12] <Soulstorm> albator1932: I feel your pain....
[01:12] <peglax> Djassper, /usr/src/linux-headers-<version>/include
[01:13] <topyli> sl8r: you can always install a minimal warty and upgrade
[01:13] <topyli> sl8r: unless you want to test the installation stuff of course :)
[01:14] <sl8r> topyli: did that, fucked up my x server, i ended up with some bastard hybrid x.org / xfree system that not even linux-wise pals could resuscitate :-/
[01:15] <sl8r> topyli: so for me it's flattening the box (as it doesn't matter anyway, the PC is crap and i only use it for testing purposes)
[01:15] <sl8r> and yeah, i'd like to test the installation stuff :)
[01:16] <Soulstorm> isn't sblive supposed to be autodetcted/working?
[01:17] <topyli> sl8r: don't install X at first. then you don't have to worry about the xfree -> x.org transition
[01:17] <Soulstorm> according to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCards/view?searchterm=sound%20blaster
[01:17] <Serengeti> ok, i am guilty of using ubuntu bacports <g>, what can i do to upgrade to hoary?
[01:17] <Serengeti> do i have to reinstall?
[01:17] <sl8r> topyli: that was my mistake :D
[01:18] <sl8r> topyli: so do you know of any Hoary ISOs, apart from the LiveCD?
[01:18] <ssam> i had some back ports and the upgrade to hoary went ok
[01:18] <scrooch> hello
[01:18] <ssam> well, synaptic disappeared and i had to apt get it back
[01:19] <scrooch> any news on why the networkcards on nforce3 motherboards don't work on warty and hoary?
[01:19] <Serengeti> ssam thanks it's heartenig to hear that :)
[01:20] <ssam> appart from that it seemed quite smooth
[01:20] <topyli> sl8r: no
[01:20] <sl8r> ok.
[01:20] <skuthan> cheers daniels, that worked! (keyboard with 105 instead 104, and was set to us in X-config)
[01:21] <ssam> i now have a debian sub menu in the main menu, which is odd, but i assume it is for the developers or something
[01:22] <Serengeti> ssam i think i'll try to upgrade someday soon
[01:22] <sap> i have a weird problem. i recently bought a wireless k/board and mouse which work beautifully with ubuntu and my thinkpad. however, i've just tried to use my usb cdrom on the same machine and now the keyboard appears to miss keystrokes and my wireless mouse has stopped working at all. anyone have any ideas?
[01:22] <ssam> be carefull if its your main system, it is meant fro devs
[01:23] <ssam> for*
[01:23] <topyli> ssam: perhaps they forgot to remove debian menu this time. :) you can uninstall it if you want
[01:23] <ssam> i am happy with it there
[01:23] <ssam> makes me feel hardcore
[01:24] <topyli> ssam: i sometimes miss it too :)
[01:24] <Serengeti> ssam I know I think I have some space left on my hdd so maybe I'll end up having two ubuntus :)
[01:24] <ssam> when i figure out how to get rid of the naked people, i can pretend i am a real linux hacker
[01:25] <ssam> ;-)
[01:26] <Serengeti> ssam you mean ubuntu monthly calendar? ;)
[01:26] <topyli> ssam: those nice people live in the ubuntu-calendar packages
[01:26] <ssam> i know, im just joking
[01:27] <topyli> ssam: jut use a debian wallpaper and look tough
[01:28] <topyli> just
[01:28] <RickA> hi
[01:29] <ssam> at the moment i am logged into my hoary box with ssh over a wireless network and playing music with an x forwarded muine, displaying on a powerbook with no wires pluged in and playing on my hifi speakers
[01:29] <ssam> so i cant see a ubuntu desktop
[01:30] <topyli> ssam: be careful, reality is slowly evading you ;)
[01:31] <RickA> I have a question
[01:31] <RickA> if the Ubuntu LiveCD doesn't load correctly, can I expect any problems installing the regular version of Ubuntu on that system?
[01:31] <ssam> no its true
[01:32] <ssam> the live cd and installer have different hardware detection, but it dose not boad well
[01:32] <topyli> RickA: hard to say anything else but they are two completely different systems
[01:32] <BockBilbo> RickA, the ubuntu live cd doesnt work on my laptop
[01:33] <BockBilbo> but the installer worked perfectly
[01:33] <Cam-> does anyone know what the main binary for openoffice writer is?
[01:33] <BockBilbo> oowriter ?
[01:33] <RickA> ok
[01:33] <RickA> and how does it work with external USB dvd-drives?
[01:33] <Cam-> nope
[01:33] <BockBilbo> mm i cannot help you w ith it.. no idea
[01:33] <ssam> ricka: have you tried the boot options
[01:34] <RickA> no, haven't taken a look yet
[01:34] <RickA> still deciding if I want to try FC3 or Ubuntu
[01:34] <RickA> but the BIOS should have an option to boot from usb drives I think. Just wondering if Ubuntu will have problems using it after it's installed
[01:34] <ssam> if you are new to linux ubuntu is better than fc3
[01:34] <RickA> I'm pretty much a noob at that kind of thing
[01:34] <topyli> Cam-: how did you install OOo? the ubuntu packages put oowriter in /usr/bin
[01:35] <RickA> and how is the Ubuntu support for Ati cards?
[01:35] <BockBilbo> Cam-, apt-get install openoffice.org
[01:35] <Cam-> im using a development edition from the openoffice website
[01:35] <BockBilbo> Cam-,
[01:35] <BockBilbo> i had the same problem
[01:35] <BockBilbo> ..
[01:35] <dur> about to download Ubuntu, should I go straight for Hoary or the earlier version, TIA
[01:36] <Cam-> how did you fix it?
[01:36] <BockBilbo> i tried to install the OOo 1.9.60
[01:36] <Cam-> i downloaded it via the website and installed it using alien
[01:36] <BockBilbo> and installed it.. but.. i wasnt able to run it cause i didnt know which was the binary
[01:36] <BockBilbo> ...
[01:36] <BockBilbo> i downloaded from debian
[01:36] <ssam> dur: your safer with warty
[01:37] <Cam-> did you end up getting it running?
[01:37] <BockBilbo> Cam-,
[01:37] <BockBilbo> i took the .deb files from here:
[01:37] <BockBilbo> http://people.debian.org/~halls/openoffice/test/
[01:38] <BockBilbo> i didnt end up getting it running cauze i had no time to try it
[01:38] <BockBilbo> im on exams at the university
[01:38] <BockBilbo> lol
[01:38] <kbrooks> lol.
[01:39] <BockBilbo> anyways
[01:39] <BockBilbo> good luck
[01:39] <BockBilbo> :)
[01:40] <BockBilbo> anyone knows when the gaim 1.1.2 will be added to hoary's repositories?
[01:40] <Nafallo> kbrooks: the problems with synaptic yesterday was those -dbg packets ;-).
[01:41] <BockBilbo> well
[01:41] <BockBilbo> byeee
[01:41] <kbrooks> bye
[01:42] <Serengeti> ssam, by the way: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000229&mode=classic
[01:43] <ssam> lol
[01:43] <kbrooks> ;)
[01:43] <Serengeti> i guess greg works for cannonical :] 
[01:44] <kbrooks> no way
[01:44] <kbrooks> he doesnt
[01:44] <Serengeti> :)
[01:50] <wfx> hi, java: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15 -> works for me if i change the the order of the last 2 lines
[01:50] <wfx> #3 sudo apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5debian, #4 sudo dpkg -i su*.deb
[01:51] <giard> anyone know of a good place to find widescreen (1920x1200) backgrounds?
[01:52] <wfx> giard: you can use gimp
[01:53] <giard> wfx: umm, any premade ones? ;-)
[01:53] <wfx> giard: check this http://exoteric.roach.org/bg/bgal3.html
[01:53] <Serengeti> giard www.pixelgirlpresents.com had some... but not too many im afraid
[01:53] <wfx> giard: was a quick google query
[01:53] <giard> wfx: looks like you need a password
[01:54] <wfx> giard: sorry
[01:55] <wfx> giard: this one i have test ;-) http://www.interfacelift.com/wallpaper/
[01:56] <Serengeti> giard or here: http://www.vladstudio.com/home/
[01:56] <wfx> giard: or this (svg match all size ;) http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=17776
[01:56] <giard> thanks!
[01:58] <wfx> giard: do you mean thanks, please not more :-)
[01:58] <giard> more if you've got it :)
[01:58] <wfx> btw, with gimp i mean you can resize any image
[01:59] <giard> wfx: yeap.  I just wanted one that didn't look stretched
[02:00] <giard> or an svg
[02:00] <Soulstorm> is there anybody out there that can help me with my sblive!? I've been rtfm-ing till my eyes bleed
[02:02] <NetwrkMonkey> anyone using wpa_supplicant with ubuntu?
[02:08] <Ephemeral> What Filesystem can M$ and Linux both Read&Write?
[02:09] <Falstius> Ephemeral: vfat
[02:09] <sjoerd> vfat
[02:09] <Falstius> or ntfs if you like to walk on the wildside (and corrupt all your data)
[02:10] <Ephemeral> whats vfat..?
[02:10] <Ephemeral> its not the same as fat32 right?
[02:10] <HcE> Ephemeral: the filesystem DOS and Win95/98 used
[02:10] <ogra> Ephemeral: it is the same
[02:10] <Ephemeral> ah
[02:10] <Ephemeral> whats the max partition size of VFAT?
[02:11] <Ephemeral> im considering getting another disk.. so i can move away from M$ more
[02:11] <HcE> Ephemeral: you can fine read NTFS, and Windows can read ext2/ext3
[02:11] <HcE> explore2fs for windows
[02:11] <Falstius> HcE, explore2fs is pretty buggy, especially with large files.
[02:11] <Falstius> or atleast the copy I have is.
[02:11] <HcE> ok, it works for me
[02:12] <Ephemeral> basically I want to move all my media.. MP3, FLAC, Ogg.. to a common partion, both can read and write
[02:12] <HcE> bu I usually move files less than 200MB
[02:12] <HcE> ah
[02:12] <Ephemeral> so when im in M$ using a CAD prog i can listen to the music
[02:12] <Falstius> Ephemeral: vfat partitions can as large is ntfs can, but only if you format them in linux.
[02:12] <Ephemeral> but i plan to cut down M$ time
[02:12] <Ephemeral> ;)
[02:12] <Falstius> last I check MS wouldn't let you create large vfat partitions.
[02:13] <Falstius> Ephemeral: what CAD do you use in MS?
[02:13] <Ephemeral> Microstation and Pro engineer
[02:13] <Ephemeral> I also play the odd game in M$
[02:13] <Ephemeral> Half Life 2 ect
[02:13] <Falstius> hmm, there is a project out to make opensource electronics CAD tools ... I want to try it out.
[02:14] <sn0wman> i think it's funny that there are people talking in here at 8:14 am est
[02:14] <Falstius> sn0wman, I'm talking at 2pm in the afternoon.
[02:14] <tfh> lo
[02:15] <tfh> same here
[02:15] <sn0wman> well, you must be in one of those NON-american countries that i've heard so much about
[02:15] <TongMaster> midinght here
[02:15] <NanoTek> France
[02:15] <NanoTek> :p
[02:15] <tfh> i would like to know how i can setup my gnome 2.8 so that it opens videos with mplayer and not totem piece of crap
[02:15] <NanoTek> ah non suisse
[02:15] <NanoTek> :p
[02:16] <sn0wman> tfh, totem is actually really great if you install totem-xine
[02:16] <Ephemeral> Snowman its 13:15 here .. GMT
[02:16] <Ephemeral> UK
[02:16] <Falstius> je suis american, mais je habite a la suisse
[02:16] <sn0wman> the gstreamer backend sucks at the moment
[02:16] <NanoTek> ok
[02:16] <Falstius> er, je habite au france, je traivaille a la suise.
[02:16] <Falstius> not important.
[02:16] <zooko> Has anyone else noticed that some python standard library modules are missing in warty?
[02:17] <zooko> Howdy Falstius.
[02:17] <tfh> sn0wman, it might be okay, but mplayer is what i've been using for years qnd it's the best, i have it installed now
[02:17] <Falstius> hi.
[02:17] <sn0wman> just change it under your "prefered applications"
[02:17] <tfh> sn0wman, i just want to change the default app for video file , is that even possible on gnome ?
[02:18] <sn0wman> Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Prefered Applications
[02:18] <tfh> nothing in there
[02:18] <sn0wman> oh wait
[02:18] <NanoTek> tfh
[02:18] <NanoTek> just clic on the icons
[02:18] <tfh> only email browser and terminal
[02:18] <NanoTek> and properties
[02:18] <NanoTek> open with
[02:18] <sn0wman> right-click your icons, and change them to mplayer
[02:18] <sn0wman> you'll have to do that for all the different formats though
[02:18] <tfh> ok
[02:19] <tfh> thank you that should work
[02:19] <tfh> anyway i mainly play avi's so it should be ok
[02:19] <Falstius> sn0wman, can't you change it by type (ie "video") instead of just file format?
[02:19] <tfh> thx mplayer rocks it loads instantly
[02:20] <sn0wman> Falstius, not that i know of
[02:20] <Falstius> tfh, mplayer (and xmms) are both a pain though for not following gui standards
[02:20] <tfh> didn't know that
[02:20] <tfh> didn't know mplayer had a gui lol
[02:20] <Falstius> gmplayer sorry
[02:20] <tfh> same
[02:21] <tfh> they are from the same source, just different compilation options
[02:21] <Falstius> tfh, I know.
[02:21] <tfh> back to gvim to type that stoopid math homework
[02:21] <tfh> thank u all
[02:21] <Falstius> I set my file browsers to use mplayer but generally use gmplayer (mplayer -gui) for dvds.
[02:22] <wfx> wehre do i find gmplayer
[02:25] <wfx> i cant install any mplayer :/ unmet dependencies
[02:26] <klaym> shouldn't apt-get do the job?
[02:26] <Falstius> why does my box complain "can't find repository hoary main updates"? (paraphrasing)
[02:26] <wfx> klaym: it should but it cant (i think)
[02:26] <Falstius> it files other deposititories but not hoary main updates and hoary universe updates.
[02:27] <Falstius> er main and restricted.
[02:27] <klaym> what does it say then?
[02:28] <wfx> klaym:  mplayer: Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.0.5) ..., libpng10-0 (>= 1.0.18) ..., libsdl1.2debian (> 1.2.7+1.2.8)
[02:30] <klaym> when you write apt-get install mplayer, it should automatically prompt for those extra packages to be downloaded as well
[02:31] <wfx> klaym: but it does it not
[02:31] <rachelw> anyone with Apache2 experience here? I need to install a module from source, but my apache2 installation doesn't seem to include apxs2. any pointers?
[02:33] <wfx> where do i find source.list for firefox 1.0
[02:35] <scoon> does anyone know if the firewire port on an audigy 2zs is powered ?
[02:35] <buga> rachelw: which worker do you use?
[02:38] <Falstius> is there a tool for automatically finding and merging dpkg-new files?
[02:38] <wfx> how do i fix this message : perl: warning: Setting locale failed....
[02:39] <tfh> which package holds utf8 package for latex ?
[02:39] <buga> rachelw: apxs2 and the required headers are in apache2-<workername>-dev, for example apache2-prefork-dev, apache2-threaded-dev, ...
[02:40] <rachelw> buga, thanks! how do I know which one to install?
[02:40] <buga> rachelw: dpkg -l|grep apache2
[02:40] <oly> okay, i just tried out hoary but it x.org does not like the savage in my laptop, i was gona try and apt-get upgrade but my network card needs setting up
[02:40] <oly> what do you use to set up network in a console ?
[02:41] <buga> rachelw: if your apache2 package is called apache2-mpm-prefork, you have to install apache2-prefork-dev
[02:41] <oly> cuz i always did it through a gui before
[02:41] <mz2> do firewire hard drives work as well as usb drives under ubuntu?
[02:41] <zooko> HEh heh heh.
[02:41] <knghtbrd> dhclient is a good start.
[02:41] <zooko> So I tried to report a bug on python2.3 having a missing module, and reportbug has a bug.
[02:41] <zooko>   File "/usr/bin/reportbug", line 1854, in main
[02:41] <zooko>     (sysinfo['email']  % 'n'), (sysinfo['email']  % '999999'))
[02:41] <zooko> TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting
[02:41] <zooko> Now what?
[02:41] <rachelw> buga, thanks
[02:41] <zooko> Maybe there is a web-based way to report a bug...
[02:42] <buga> tfh: probably you are looking for latex-ucs
[02:42] <Falstius> on a review of the microsoft "spy-ware remover" ... "I ran a thorough scan, which discovered 77 spyware and adware programs. I followed the software's advice and removed them all.       But bizarre behaviors  including multiple pop ups, unwanted toolbars and generally sluggish behavior  continued. "
[02:42] <Falstius> isn't that just running windows?
[02:42] <tfh> buga: thank you, it's the one i was looking for
[02:42] <oly> okay, will look into dhclient thxs knghtbrd
[02:42] <Nap> how can I report a bug for a horay package ?
[02:42] <Nap> hoary
[02:43] <Nap> on the bugzilla, in the text input for the package name, the completion only display warty packages
[02:44] <Nap> I found a bug in linux-image-2.6.10-2-k7
[02:44] <BockBilbo> is it possible to play sounds from flash pages in firefox using esd?
[02:44] <buga> zooko: (reportbug) try using an older python version from universe
[02:45] <zooko> And I thought Ubuntu was the Debian with extra Python fu.
[02:45] <zooko> It's disappointing that the standard python in warty can't run my Python app.
[02:45] <zooko> I have to decide if I want to get hoary stuff or build a local python.
[02:46] <mz2> zooko, what's it missing then?
[02:49] <zooko> audioop module
[02:49] <zooko> I guess I could just build that module and poke it into place.
[02:51] <zooko>    * Build audioop module for 64bit archs (closes: #260051).
[02:51] <zooko> I guess Ubuntu isn't going to backport that fix to warty then.  Hm.
[02:51] <zooko> Sigh.  I guess I'll install python and reportbug from hoary.
[02:51] <Falstius> I just installed hoary and maybe its a silly question, but where is the button to log off?
[02:51] <buga> zooko: do you using warty?
[02:52] <zooko> buga: until a minute ago.  :-)
[02:52] <Guardiann> under desktop
[02:53] <wfx> computer/log out
[02:54] <Falstius> wfx, that was in warty
[02:54] <Guardiann> desktop/logout :)
[02:54] <Falstius> I didn't have "desktop/logout" on my panel
[02:55] <wfx> use a brick ;-)
[02:55] <Falstius> I just added a logout button to the bottom panel.
[02:55] <Falstius> well, I would "ctrl-alt-backspace" but thought I should find the proper way.
[02:55] <Guardiann> hoary has a desktop at the top beside places and applications
[02:56] <BockBilbo> :|...
[02:56] <wfx> where do i find a resource for warty to install firefox 1.0
[02:56] <Falstius> Guardiann, it does now.  Before I logged out (and back in) it had disapeared.  I assume because I just updated 550+ packages.  Weird.
[02:56] <BockBilbo> wfx
[02:56] <BockBilbo> check the wiki page
[02:56] <Falstius> thanks though.
[02:56] <zooko> How can I write apt.conf so that it will use warty-security, followed by warty followed by everything else?
[02:56] <Guardiann> try logging out and back in again
[02:56] <veejey> wfx: check www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:56] <zooko> I know how to write APT::Default-Release "warty-security";
[02:56] <BockBilbo> youhave to download the binaries from www.mozilla.com/products/firefox
[02:57] <zooko> but that seems to mean if the package doesn't appear in warty-security then it will get the package from hoary, which isn't what I want.
[02:57] <Guardiann> maybe even a reboot
[02:57] <wfx> veejey: i found nothing on ubuntuguide
[02:57] <BockBilbo> wfx
[02:57] <BockBilbo> hold on
[02:57] <zooko> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto
[02:57] <BockBilbo> see the wiki
[02:57] <BockBilbo> !
[02:57] <zooko> ^-- this probably answers my question
[02:58] <wfx> BockBilbo: on wiki i see only the page with warning... but where do i find a resource for apt-get
[02:58] <gustav_> wfx: look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu/
[02:58] <AndyR> lo ppl
[02:58] <BockBilbo> wfx
[02:58] <BockBilbo> amm
[02:58] <BockBilbo> but it works
[02:58] <BockBilbo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UpgradingToFirefox10
[02:58] <buga> zooko: there is also a man page called apt_preferences
[02:58] <zooko> buga: thanks.
[02:59] <wfx> BockBilbo: thx but i was searching for apt source i read the breackmyubuntu
[02:59] <Guardiann> and how do you like AndyR
[02:59] <AndyR> looks great
[03:00] <zooko> Hm.  Neither the PinningHowto nor the apt_preferences man page seem to answer my question.  :-/
[03:00] <Guardiann> yeah did you do the full change to the 2.6.10 kernel
[03:00] <BockBilbo> wfx i think doing the wiki thing wil be safer but no prob
[03:00] <BockBilbo> :D
[03:00] <BockBilbo> well
[03:00] <BockBilbo> byr
[03:00] <BockBilbo> gotta eat lunch
[03:01] <Guardiann> too early for lunch ;)
[03:01] <AndyR> andrew@advent:~ $ uname -a
[03:01] <AndyR> Linux advent 2.6.10-2-686 #1 Wed Jan 19 18:58:12 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:01] <zooko> b
[03:01] <Guardiann> very nice
[03:02] <wfx> gustav_: thx (install now and use only the stable main universe)
[03:02] <zooko> I'm confused.  Is this not the most common use for pinning/versioning ?
[03:02] <snowblink> wfx: I got FF1.0 via the warty backports
[03:03] <zooko> I want everything to be warty-security, and if it isn't in warty-security I want it to be warty.
[03:03] <zooko> Except perhaps for specific packages that I specify "-t hoary" on the cmdline to install.
[03:03] <zooko> Isn't this what everyone wants?  Why don't the docs tell me how to do this?
[03:03] <wfx> snowblink: i get it ;-)
[03:04] <wfx> how do i fix this "perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C")..."
[03:04] <zooko> Ah, I see it now.
[03:05] <zooko> This is way more sophisticated than I wanted, but oh well.Package: *; Pin: release a=unstable; Pin-Priority: 50
[03:05] <zooko> Oh wait -- will hoary be recognized as a=unstable?
[03:05] <zooko> sigh
[03:05] <zooko> I'll just try it and see.
[03:06] <Soulstorm> ooooh - any of you know how I can use my sblive card in stead of Via - seems that my sound was working after all - but through the wrong device...
[03:06] <zooko> And what's the difference between "Pin: release a=unstable" and "Pin: release unstable"?  Argh.
[03:06] <zooko> This sucks.
[03:07] <kent> zooko, there are backported version which are already compiled for Warty. Dont know the adress my self, but i read about it here before. Some other might know. That sounds like a better id to use..
[03:08] <buga> zooko: it's not so simple to mix different distributions. for example after installing a new hoary binary package, it depends on a newer (library) packages from hoary, it has a chance that you won't be able to install other package from warty or warty-security
[03:08] <zooko> buga: I understand about the consequences of dependencies.
[03:08] <zooko> I'm just complaining because the man page and the howto explain half a dozen other things but don't explain a simple way to do the thing that I want.
[03:08] <zooko> And obviously everyone should want to do what I want to do.
[03:10] <zooko> Okay, I think the answer is you have to change "unstable" to "hoary" when copying the examples from the howto and the man page.  :-(
[03:10] <snowblink> does anyone use amarok?
[03:11] <wfx> ok i found it (brocken locals but i dont know why it was -> fresh install):
[03:11] <buga> zooko: backports-like but supported packages would be more a felicitous choice, but these aren't from the ubuntu project
[03:11] <buga> snowblink: yes, i use
[03:11] <wfx> if you get :perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). , perl: warning: Setting locale failed. ...
[03:11] <snowblink> buga: currently using warty. Is it worth upgrading to hoary to use it?
[03:11] <wfx> then use: dpkg-reconfigure locales and set youre locals
[03:11] <ssam> snowblink: sometimes
[03:12] <zooko> buga: thanks for the advice and help.
[03:12] <wfx> please add this to anywhere
[03:12] <aldo> hi all
[03:12] <veejey> does anyone use dasher in ubuntu? its not working properly or is tooo slow in my sys
[03:12] <buga> snowblink: I use the version from hoary
[03:12] <ssam> if you cant get on with rhythmbox maybe
[03:13] <aldo> does anyone know how i could diagnose loads of erros on my eth0
[03:13] <snowblink> ssam: yeah, I we don't get along with one another.
[03:13] <ssam> fair enough
[03:14] <ssam> hoary seems stable enough, but it could beak stuff, its really meant for devs
[03:14] <buga> snowblink: there is no big change between 1.1 and 1.2 versions. if you use very large collections, it's worth to upgrade
[03:15] <snowblink> buga: thanks. Don't have it at all. Was recommended to me.
[03:15] <ssam> ive been trying out muine today
[03:15] <ssam> its not bad
[03:16] <buga> snowblink: yes, it's a very nice piece of kde projects :)
[03:16] <snowblink> ssam: yeah, I got quite gung-ho last week and installed hoary
[03:16] <snowblink> ssam: but somehow vi went missing
[03:16] <snowblink> ssam: that was scary
[03:16] <ssam> yeah
[03:16] <ssam> imagine being forced to use emacs
[03:17] <snowblink> ssam: indeed. It scared me so much, that I'm nice and safe in my warty cocoon now.
[03:17] <buga> wfx: (perl locale issue) what are your locale settings?  set|egrep '^(LC|LANG)'
[03:17] <ssam> i lost synaptic in the upgrade, had to use apt-get
[03:18] <zooko> Okay, now I've got it configured how I want and I'm happily upgrading to python stuff from hoary while keeping everything else in warty. We'll see. ;-)
[03:19] <zooko> Whee!  Good-bye to python2.3!
[03:19] <zooko> Okay, I just broke apt-file, exactly as buga warned that I would.;..
[03:21] <wfx> buga: LANG=de and LANGUAGE=de_DE:de:en_GB:en but i hobe on next reboot it is fixed (set to de_AT.UTF-8@euro)
[03:22] <zooko> Hm.  apt-get install -thoary apt-file doesn't work...
[03:24] <ssam> are the apt servers down at the moment
[03:25] <Quest-Master> ssam: Not for me
[03:26] <MarcR> hello, i'm trying to install ubuntu warty and I got some troubles with my ATI RADEON graphic card
[03:27] <da_bon_bon> can someone help me on installing gentoo from fedora linux ?
[03:27] <clarice> can anyone help me? how do i get a linksys wireless adapter to work with ubuntu? i tried my best
[03:27] <scoon> clarice, i think i may be able to.
[03:27] <scoon> clarice, what model
[03:27] <Nafallo> da_bon_bon: you should probably read this channels name :-).
[03:28] <clarice> hold on, i check it out
[03:28] <da_bon_bon> Nafallo: hmm.. ok.. wrong pasting :)
[03:28] <zooko> Thanks for the help, ubuntu!
[03:28] <zooko> MarcR I had that kind of problem.
[03:29] <zooko> I think the secret was to edit XF86Config-4 and change "ati" to "radeon" in the driver.
[03:29] <MarcR> hello zooko and did you fixed it ?
[03:29] <MarcR> I'll try thanks
[03:30] <VincentMX> does anyone know the system requirements for Ubuntu 4.10 ?
[03:31] <BockBilbo> whats tje best way for installin rpm files in ubuntu?
[03:31] <Quest-Master> VincentMX: List your specs and I'll tell you if it'll work fine on it
[03:31] <BockBilbo> use alien?
[03:31] <Quest-Master> BockBilbo: Yes
[03:31] <Quest-Master> Use Alien
[03:31] <VincentMX> where
[03:32] <Quest-Master> Here, just list them
[03:32] <wfx> ? cd player doe no more longer play cd's?
[03:33] <VincentMX> Intel Pentium 2 333MhZ 164 Mb RAM nVidia GeForce 440
[03:33] <Quest-Master> Hm.. I dunno. Some more RAM would be nice as well as a better processor.
[03:33] <Quest-Master> Try it though.
[03:33] <Quest-Master> Ubuntu has worked on many of my low-end machines :o
[03:34] <VincentMX> ok
[03:34] <VincentMX> thanx
[03:34] <wfx> hmm i miss a cdrom device?!
[03:35] <wfx> strange /dev/hdd no longer exist?
[03:35] <BockBilbo> thanks Quest-Master
[03:35] <BockBilbo> byee
[03:35] <Quest-Master> Bye
[03:39] <wfx> i lost a dev entry how do i get it back?
[03:41] <d> hi!
[03:41] <Quest-Master> Hi
[03:42] <AcidPils> is there a possibility to show all installed pkgs that belong to universe?
[03:42] <ssam> wfx i think the new /dev system is different
[03:42] <ssam> they are created as you plug things in to the computer
[03:42] <d> I just screwed X.org in the latest Ubuntu by running xorgconfig andnot bothering to backup my config file!
[03:43] <wfx> it was here i have play one cd wont to play a other and now i lost the dev?!
[03:43] <d> What is the 'official' way to sort out yr monitor res under Ubuntu?
[03:43] <wfx> want
[03:43] <spiral> hi !!!
[03:43] <spiral> please I need informations about smart batteries support under hoary
[03:44] <ssam> you might have to research the udev and hotplug stuff
[03:44] <d> is it not something like 'debconf xorg-server' or something?
[03:44] <spiral> can anyone here tell me if they will soon be handled
[03:44] <spiral> d: dpkg-reconfigure maybe ?
[03:44] <d> spiral- yeah, thats it!
[03:44] <spiral> d: :-)
[03:44] <d> but what comes after?
[03:44] <ssam> spiral, you should be able to see the pecentages and stuff
[03:45] <d> dpkg-reconfigure xorg???
[03:45] <ssam> xserver-xorg ?
[03:45] <d> Its not in the Ubuntu FAQ or Docs as far as I can see, yet
[03:46] <spiral> d: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I think
[03:46] <Twiggy> Hey ~ I'm looking for some package with the alsaconf command in it, or maybe an alternative to that command
[03:46] <spiral> ssam: how should I do so ?
[03:47] <d> sprial/ssam: I'll have to go onto the other machine to try that out..
[03:47] <spiral> ssam: is the smart battery driver included in kernel ?
[03:47] <spiral> d: ok... I check the name in order to be sure
[03:47] <ssam> right click on the gnome panel, and add a thingy (cant think what its called) and find the battery monitor
[03:48] <ssam> it work on my girlfirends laptop with warty with out having to install anything
[03:48] <d> spiral: where would you look? Is there a dir to look at for the module names or something?
[03:49] <spiral> d: I checked in synaptic
[03:49] <spiral> ssam: but she doesn't have a smart battery, does she ?
[03:49] <spiral> d: the name is good
[03:49] <AndyR> battery meter works in hoary but didnt here on warty
[03:49] <d> thanks!
[03:50] <spiral> AndyR: is it a smartbattery ?
[03:50] <spiral> when I do "acpi" on hoary, I still don't get any news about my battery
[03:50] <AndyR> spiral, not sure probably not
[03:51] <AndyR> i used acpi=force
[03:51] <giard> spiral: just curious, do you have the latest version of your bios installed?
[03:51] <AndyR> on warty, but i didnt need to on hoary
[03:51] <spiral> giard: I don't know, this is a laptop & I didn't try to update my bios
[03:52] <wfx> hmm i remember i have reboot with an audio cd inside cant this the prob?
[03:52] <AndyR> im running a 1999 bios
[03:52] <wfx> i test it
[03:53] <giard> spiral: which laptop?
[03:53] <spiral> giard: acer aspire 1682 wlmi
[03:53] <spiral> everything works fine, except the battery meter
[03:54] <giard> spiral: maybe this might help?  not sure: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/acer.html
[03:55] <giard> spiral: I used to have a dell that I couldn't see the battery on until I updated the bios
[03:55] <spiral> giard: somebody here told me it was because of "smart battery module" still not included in kernel
[03:55] <spiral> or smth like this
[03:59] <giard> spiral: not sure what that is
[03:59] <giard> did you try installing the restrict modules and looking for it?
[03:59] <spiral> giard: they are installed for my ati card
[04:00] <spiral> but I didn't checked for smart batteries module inside
[04:00] <AndyR> spiral, i can flood you my output from lsmod
[04:01] <AndyR> see what modules i have loaded
[04:01] <spiral> AndyR: yeah, why not :-)
[04:06] <wfx> ok it is a bug!
[04:06] <wfx> strange if i boot with one audio cd in the device i miss it
[04:07] <wfx> i lost the device
[04:07] <wfx> if i remove the audio cd and reboot i get it back
[04:08] <wfx> can it be the hardwaredetection?
[04:09] <spiral> please... can anyone here tell me whether a "smart battery" module will be integrated in hoary ?
[04:10] <murf> hi! where is list of packages available in ubuntu?
[04:10] <dseomn> murf: archive.ubuntu.com, browse for Packages.gz files
[04:10] <siretart> murf: the list is rather long, ~15000 packages. better search for a specific package using apt-cache
[04:12] <HoP3LeSS> hi,
[04:12] <HoP3LeSS> I installed ubuntu on my 2nd hd a few months ago, now i need to format that drive in fat32 to use it with windows, how can i do that? i tried ith parition magic and didnt work????
[04:13] <spiral> HoP3LeSS: fdisk
[04:13] <spiral> HoP3LeSS: or use windows / windows installer
[04:14] <HoP3LeSS> i tried with fdisk, i created a boot disk, run fdisk.exe
[04:14] <HoP3LeSS> but how do i reformat my drive into fat32?
[04:15] <HoP3LeSS> and windows installer, you mean install win on the hd where ubuntu is on right now?
[04:15] <HoP3LeSS> ?
[04:16] <wfx> i dont like to create a bugzilla account: so if anyone have one please add this cdrom audio but, thx
[04:16] <wfx> but -> bug :-)
[04:16] <dseomn> HoP3LeSS: try mkdosfs
[04:17] <HoP3LeSS> deseomn: what is this?
[04:17] <tanek> ,
[04:17] <tanek> ,
[04:18] <dseomn> HoP3LeSS: it formats a dos file/partition/disk
[04:18] <HoP3LeSS> is it software that i run under windows?
[04:18] <dseomn> HoP3LeSS: no, it's a *nix program
[04:19] <siretart> HoP3LeSS: if you want to get rid of ubuntu, why you don't use the windows partitioner?
[04:19] <HoP3LeSS> ok, becasue i' presently running on window
[04:19] <HoP3LeSS> hmmm, tell me where to get that windows partitionner ?
[04:19] <HoP3LeSS> you mean, when you boot on the win xp install cd ???
[04:19] <dseomn> HoP3LeSS: yeah
[04:19] <wfx> i dont find this bug in bugzilla
[04:19] <HoP3LeSS> ok
[04:20] <HoP3LeSS> ill try it
[04:20] <siretart> HoP3LeSS: there should also be some gui under System->manage
[04:20] <HoP3LeSS> thanks
[04:20] <siretart> HoP3LeSS: or in the mmc
[04:20] <HoP3LeSS> ill check this out with the win xp cd
[04:20] <HoP3LeSS> or ill boot linux and try to find it
[04:20] <HoP3LeSS> thanks guys
[04:20] <zido> does ubuntu come with a program for burning CDs?
[04:21] <dseomn> zido: yes, nautilus
[04:21] <wfx> gnome needs something better then nautilus
[04:21] <Ephemeral> how do i edit my Grub config?
[04:21] <wfx> sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:22] <zido> dseomn: how do i burn from nautilus ?
[04:22] <Ephemeral> is that all i need to edit to get windows recognised?
[04:22] <Guardiann> zido or get k3b
[04:22] <dseomn> zido: it should open automatically when you put in a blank disk
[04:22] <zido> hmm
[04:22] <zido> ok
[04:23] <wfx> yes
[04:23] <wfx> Ephemeral: yes
[04:23] <zido> dseomn: how long do i have to wait? :P
[04:24] <zido> hmm
[04:24] <IrIT> hi
[04:24] <zido> it cant find a media in the drive :S
[04:24] <IrIT> i've just installed ubuntu. And i must say: 'Nice work!'
[04:25] <IrIT> i've a Logitech Pro 4000 webcam. Does it work with ubuntu?
[04:25] <wfx> why does some app need so long to start (example: nautilus -> open file with gedit -> takes ~1min.)?
[04:26] <zido> hmm, i can't mount either my DVD ROM or my CD burner.. it says there's no media in the drive.. (there is)
[04:26] <Ephemeral> hmm how do add this to grub
[04:26] <Ephemeral> its on SDA1
[04:26] <wfx> nautilus is a bug... ( i think so)
[04:28] <zido> hmm
[04:28] <zido> any way to fix it?
[04:29] <Ex-Cyber> wfx: what kind of hardware do you have?
[04:31] <Ephemeral> title 		Windows
[04:31] <Ephemeral> rootnoverify 	(sda,1)
[04:31] <Ephemeral> chainloader 	+1
[04:31] <Ephemeral> makeactive
[04:31] <Ephemeral> does this look right?
[04:32] <wfx> Ex-Cyber: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+,Host bridge: VIA Technologies, PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, FireWire (IEEE 1394), RAID bus controller, USB, MemTotal:       776628 kB  ... what you want to know
[04:32] <Mabus> Ephemeral: (sda1,1) ?
[04:33] <Ephemeral> sda1?
[04:33] <wfx> sda doe in grub not all device follow hd0 - hdn
[04:33] <Ephemeral> its one Serail ATA Drive
[04:33] <zido> Guardiann: i installed k3b, when i start it i get about 1-2 pages of warnings before it launches :P
[04:33] <Ephemeral> and M$ is on the first partition
[04:34] <snowblink> Ephemeral: cat /boot/grub/device.map
[04:34] <wfx> :-)
[04:34] <toothpick> Where is the package list?
[04:34] <wfx> Ex-Cyber: ?
[04:35] <Ephemeral> david@ubuntu:~ $ cat /boot/grub/device.map
[04:35] <Ephemeral> (hd0)   /dev/sda
[04:35] <wfx> then it should be hd0,0
[04:35] <snowblink> Ephemeral: sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[04:35] <Mabus> if MS is on the first partition, it should be hd0,0, yes.
[04:35] <lordan> wfx, you could try prelink..
[04:35] <toothpick> I want to see if it is using x.org
[04:36] <Mabus> toothpick: dpkg -l | grep xorg
[04:36] <toothpick> Mabus, I'm not on ubuntu ;)
[04:36] <snowblink> Ephemeral: a=0, b=1, etc
[04:36] <Mabus> toothpick: heh, why do you ask here, then? :)
[04:36] <IrIT> does anyone of you play Enemy Territory?
[04:37] <zido> Guardiann: might be because i'm not running KDE, so it can't find ALOT of files in a nonexsisting KDE folder in my homedirectory :P
[04:37] <wfx> lordan: i give it a try, but there most be something wrong with nautilus
[04:37] <IrIT> because i've just installed it but i have no sound
[04:37] <wfx> lordan: do you have a bugzilla acccount?
[04:37] <Ephemeral> title		Windows 2000
[04:37] <Ephemeral> rootnoverify	(hd0,0)
[04:37] <Ephemeral> chainloader	+1
[04:37] <Ephemeral> makeactive
[04:37] <Ephemeral> just save that and reboot?
[04:38] <Mabus> you need boot as well
[04:38] <Mabus> add 'boot' as the last line
[04:38] <Ephemeral> ok
[04:38] <Ephemeral> i see
[04:38] <Ephemeral> title		Windows 2000
[04:38] <Ephemeral> rootnoverify	(hd0,0)
[04:38] <Ephemeral> chainloader	+1
[04:38] <Ephemeral> makeactive
[04:38] <Ephemeral> boot
[04:39] <snowblink> don't think you need that
[04:39] <wfx> open with from nautilus is extreem slow!
[04:39] <Mabus> and I'm not sure, but perhaps you should be using 'savedefault' instead of 'makeactive'
[04:39] <dseomn> Mabus: makeactive is right
[04:39] <Mabus> dseomn: ok
[04:39] <wfx> from the application menu is it normaly
[04:39] <snowblink> Ephemeral: I think you're okay with it as it was
[04:39] <wfx> normal
[04:40] <Mabus> snowblink: you don't need 'boot' in menuoptions ?
[04:40] <Mabus> I know I need it when I use the grub console
[04:40] <lordan> wfx, yes..
[04:40] <snowblink> Mabus: I'm working off of mine - doesn't have boot
[04:40] <dseomn> Mabus: boot is auto -appended at EOF or next title
[04:40] <Mabus> ah
[04:40] <wasabi> hmm. kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[04:40] <wasabi> Any ideas?
[04:40] <wfx> can you add a bug for me i dont like to crate a account that i not use
[04:41] <toothpick> Mabus: can you tell me if it xfree or xorg please.
[04:41] <Mabus> wfx: do you have any debug logs ?
[04:41] <wfx> lordan: hmmm i take a look
[04:41] <Mabus> toothpick: I can't tell if you are using xorg or xfree, no.
[04:41] <Mabus> toothpick: what distro are you using ?
[04:41] <toothpick> Mabus, not me, the default ubuntu.
[04:42] <lordan> wfx, prelink may take some time to run though..
[04:42] <toothpick> I use sid and am on xfree
[04:42] <Mabus> toothpick: ah, xfree
[04:42] <toothpick> Thanks.
[04:42] <lordan> so do it while u sleep :)
[04:42] <snowblink> dseomn: good to know
[04:42] <Mabus> toothpick: but you can use xorg if you want to
[04:42] <Mabus> toothpick: (in ubuntu)
[04:42] <toothpick> ok gotcha.
[04:43] <djtansey> i just upgraded to hoary, and now some of my evolution icons are gone. any suggestions for getting them back?
[04:44] <scandium> is there a VoIP/SIP client in main? If so, which one, if not, are there any attempts towards getting a certain client in?
[04:44] <lordan> does anybody know how I get rid of KDE apps in my gnome-menu in the current (state of) hoary?
[04:44] <lordan> i was forced to install kde
[04:44] <lordan> now kde apps clutter my menus.
[04:44] <lordan> I *don't* want that
[04:44] <misionero> i got a problem with ubuntu installation
[04:44] <misionero> can anyone help me please
[04:44] <Riddell> lordan: you can edit menus with applications:///
[04:45] <Riddell> or by uninsalling the applications
[04:45] <wfx> for the audio cd bug there is only "cdrom: open failed" no more i can reproduce it if i boot with a audio cd in the drive -> no /dev/DEVICE if i boot without the audio cd in the device i have the /dev/DEVICE (DEVICE is for me hdd)
[04:45] <djtansey> and, on a related note, my bottom panel shows the applications really tiny (approx 32-48 pixels). how do you change it so it is proportional to how many apps are open?
[04:45] <lordan> misionero, only if you give us details..
[04:45] <lordan> Ridell, no, applications:/// is b0rken
[04:46] <misionero> when i get to the part to install the base system it tells me that there is somenthing wrong with Dbootstrap
[04:47] <giard> is there an irc channel for hoary questions?
[04:48] <Riddell> giard: this one
[04:49] <lordan> and i can't uninstall that damn thing
[04:49] <lordan> because i need (parts of) kde
[04:49] <lordan> I don't think applications:/// has worked since 2.9.1
[04:50] <Riddell> lordan: if you need them why do you not want them in your menus?
[04:50] <lordan> because, I don't run kde apps when I'm in Gnome
[04:50] <lordan> If I want to run KDE apps I switch to fvwm.
[04:50] <wfx> wow gedit start (must be ~10min. ago i start it form nautilus) and now it crash
[04:51] <Riddell> lordan: why is that?
[04:51] <wfx> maybe libgtk-x11
[04:51] <lordan> Ridell, not following you.
[04:51] <lordan> You mean why don't I run KDE apps from Gnome?
[04:51] <Riddell> lordan: yes
[04:52] <lordan> Well, 128 Mb RAM
[04:52] <lordan> KDE is *way* too heavy for that
[04:57] <IrIT> /dev/dsp: No such device  Could not toggle. This is the error i get when startet Enemy Territory. And theni have no sound?
[04:57] <wfx> i must leav have fun
[04:57] <wfx> e
[04:57] <wfx> ;-)
[04:58] <NanoTek> KiKoo !!
[05:00] <brad_s> IriT:  do you have an entry at  /dev/dsp ?
[05:00] <IrIT> ?
[05:00] <IrIT> my sound works in xmms
[05:02] <brad_s> fair enough, but you might only have the ALSA modules loaded.
[05:02] <brad_s> try typing this at a terminal:
[05:02] <brad_s> lsmod | grep 'oss'
[05:02] <brad_s> and tell me if it lists anything.
[05:03] <IrIT> yes
[05:03] <wasabi> so... i think my initrd doesn't contain the proper driver for my raid card... how does one force a driver into an initrd?
[05:03] <IrIT> 2 sec.. gotta restart
[05:04] <pw> Ubuntans!
[05:04] <da_bon_bon> hey all
[05:05] <pw> Here's a funny thing.
[05:05] <pw> I plug my camera in, the first time, I get a usbdisk icon on the desktop. This is cool.
[05:05] <pw> This actually points at /media/usbdisk.
[05:05] <pw> I unplug it, the icon goes away and /media/usbdisk goes away, too.
[05:06] <pw> Now, I plug it for a second time, and /media/usbdisk mounts, but I get no icon.
[05:06] <pw> Ideas?
[05:06] <auto> can you still access the camera?
[05:07] <pw> Yeah, /media/usbdisk comes and goes as I plug/unplug the camera; it's just the desktop icon I'm missing.
[05:07] <auto> thats strange
[05:07] <pw> innit just?
[05:08] <wasabi> .
[05:09] <outBoB> pw: known bug
[05:10] <Deft> hey, does Ubuntu have any standard system for reporting text/translation bugs?
[05:10] <outBoB> pw: right click on the CD and mount it or whatever
[05:10] <pw> outBoB: It's not a CD, it's a camera.
[05:10] <outBoB> Deft: not that I know of, use bugzilla
[05:10] <MasterFox> Hello folks
[05:10] <_4strO> hello
[05:10] <outBoB> pw: I know, but trying to mount the CD will refresh the mount database
[05:10] <Deft> outBoB, well, it seems a bit major to open a bug for each spelling mistake...
[05:10] <Twiggy> Can anybody point me to a place to config my sound card?  It's worked under plenty of distros, I'm just not seeing where I can get the alsaconf command so I can config it
[05:10] <Falstius> is there a source package for the 2.6.10-2 kernel?
[05:10] <_4strO> ATI driver on Xorg ?
[05:10] <pw> outBoB: 'ow queer.
[05:11] <_4strO> possible to have 3d acceleration ?
[05:11] <outBoB> pw: yes, it's a problem with gamin and inotify
[05:11] <outBoB> _4strO: yes with fglrx
[05:11] <_4strO> mmm i have
[05:11] <outBoB> Falstius: there should be, linux-source-2.6.10-2
[05:12] <outBoB> Deft: possibly, perhaps make a bug about it :)
[05:12] <MasterFox> Anyone know why I would not be able to get a floppy to mount
[05:12] <_4strO> xorg-driver-fglrx
[05:12] <Deft> outBoB, good plan, I'll do that
[05:12] <_4strO> i have that
[05:12] <_4strO> but no acceleration
[05:12] <_4strO> :/
[05:12] <_4strO> ( Operating System ) Linux Debian-3.1 Kernel: 2.6.10-2-386, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.1.99 | Desktop: Gnome v2.9 | IRC Client: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[05:12] <outBoB> _4strO: you also need linux-restricted-modules
[05:12] <_4strO> outBoB> i will see
[05:12] <outBoB> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[05:13] <_4strO> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-2-k7
[05:13] <_4strO> with mpy athlon ?
[05:14] <Falstius> outBoB: I swear that wasn't there 5 minutes ago :)
[05:14] <Twiggy> outBoB: What repo has 2.6.10?
[05:14] <jdub> outBoB: i don't like the gamin/inotify bugs. it makes me want to disable gamin's inotify support, which means dnotify holding devices hostage. ;)
[05:14] <outBoB> sounds good
[05:14] <outBoB> Falstius: ;)
[05:14] <outBoB> Twiggy: hoary
[05:14] <jdub> outBoB: whichever wins, we lose </avp>
[05:14] <outBoB> jdub: haha yes
[05:14] <Twiggy> outBoB: How stable is it to use hoary?
[05:14] <outBoB> it's like stabbing yourself in the eye to stop the bleeding
[05:14] <HrdwrBoB> Twiggy: reasonably
[05:15] <_4strO> HrdwrBoB> with smp or no ?
[05:15] <_4strO> ior both
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> _4strO: depends which kernel you're using
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> run the command I said before
[05:15] <_4strO> k
[05:15] <Falstius> anyone have a board with ich6 and working audio?
[05:16] <MasterFox> Ok this is really bugging me. When I try to open a flopy I get unknown filesystm. It's basically a PC formatted (Under WinXP) floppy how do I get this to mount?
[05:17] <_4strO> HrdwrBoB> he said i have the lastest
[05:17] <_4strO> the more recent
[05:17] <_4strO> :p
[05:17] <_4strO> sorry for my uggly english
[05:19] <HrdwrBoB> _4strO: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:19] <HrdwrBoB> follow those instructions
[05:19] <_4strO> kk thx
[05:21] <Deft> MasterFox, where is it failing?
[05:21] <MasterFox> I tried opening it in Nautilus
[05:22] <Deft> have you tried mounting it from a commandline and giving the filesystem type?
[05:22] <Twiggy> Can anybody point me to a place to config my sound card?  It's worked under plenty of distros, I'm just not seeing where I can get the alsaconf command so I can config it
[05:23] <MasterFox> Yes, I tried mount /dev/fd0 and recieved the same error
[05:23] <Deft> Twiggy, what about the card isn't configured? are the right modules loaded for it?
[05:23] <Deft> MasterFox, did you try that with -tvfat?
[05:23] <_4strO> what does smp at the end of kernel name means ?
[05:24] <Deft> _4strO, multi-processor
[05:24] <MasterFox> With or without the sudo command?
[05:24] <_4strO> thx Deft
[05:24] <MasterFox> NM I have to sudo. LOL
[05:26] <snowblink> Got amarok now. I've run the wizard, but it dies just after it starts looking for music. Any ideas?
[05:26] <snowblink> looks like KDE app doesn't like to play in GNOME
[05:26] <MasterFox> not working
[05:27] <Deft> same error?
[05:27] <qcompson_> snowblink: you might want to fool around with the soundserver amarok uses
[05:27] <kapputu> hello everyone
[05:27] <MasterFox> gives me the help info
[05:27] <kapputu> I changed my video card
[05:27] <kapputu> how do I configure my X again?
[05:27] <MasterFox> Running Warty still if that helps, heh
[05:27] <Deft> kapputu, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86?
[05:28] <Twiggy> Deft: Modules are loaded, yeah
[05:29] <Twiggy> Deft: I get an error on boot/trying to run alsamixer
[05:29] <MasterFox> Floppy would be /dev/fd0 right?
[05:29] <kapputu> an easier way?
[05:30] <HrdwrBoB> MasterFox: you can mount floppy with pmount /dev/fd0
[05:30] <Deft> Twiggy, run the Users and groups program and see if you are allowed to access sound
[05:30] <kapputu> nope
[05:30] <kapputu> I'm going to reinstall Ubuntu
[05:30] <snowblink> qcompson_: have got all the soundserver bits, but it crashes with kio errors
[05:30] <Deft> kapputu, it's not at all complicated
[05:30] <klaym> how do I change desktop theme on Ubuntu?
[05:31] <wasabi> uh so like, i really need help with my unbootable Ubuntu system.
[05:31] <Twiggy> Deft: I am, the error says 'No cards found'
[05:31] <wasabi> kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[05:31] <Riddell> snowblink: do you get the same problem with other KDE apps?
[05:31] <Twiggy> Deft: Proper module is loaded though, and lspci shows it as well
[05:31] <kapputu> I know I'm not giving it the right info
[05:32] <snowblink> Riddell: first KDE app I'm running on this box. Am new to GNOME.
[05:32] <Deft> kapputu, you shouldn't need to give it much, it should pick the right options for most things
[05:34] <snowblink> Riddell: suspect it has something to do with KDE rather than amarok specifically
[05:35] <proudhon> hi
[05:35] <Riddell> snowblink: could you install another kde app (kwrite for example) and see if it crashes too?
[05:35] <proudhon> can anyone help me with my tv card ?
[05:35] <proudhon> ive installed the basic system
[05:36] <proudhon> sudo apt-get tvtime did not work
[05:36] <proudhon> and the other ganome program did not work
[05:36] <snowblink> Riddell: okay. Installing kcalc...
[05:36] <MasterFox> pmount did not work, still asking for filesystem
[05:36] <proudhon> wich program should i instaal guys ?
[05:37] <proudhon> there seem to be debian unstable .debs for tv-time
[05:37] <snowblink> Riddell: kcalc appears to work
[05:37] <proudhon> can i use them ?
[05:37] <MasterFox> sudo mount -tvfat /dev/fd0 did not work either, it just brought up the same dialog as if you type mount --help
[05:38] <snowblink> Riddell: konqueror seems to have installed itself, and that works too
[05:38] <Riddell> snowblink: probably an amarok problem, try running it form the command line and seeing what message it gives out
[05:38] <Deft> MasterFox, you need the whole command, mount -tvfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[05:38] <MasterFox> oops
[05:39] <proudhon> this aint a help channel i guess
[05:39] <proudhon> only devs here
[05:39] <proudhon> can i
[05:39] <proudhon> do u guys have another channel for peeps like me ?
[05:39] <snowblink> Riddell: seems to be behaving now. I think the problem was that I did not have a .kde directory. kcalc or konqueror must have created
[05:39] <zooko> proudhon: I
[05:40] <zooko> 'm not really a regular on this channel, but I'll take aminute to try to help you out.
[05:40] <proudhon> thanks
[05:40] <snowblink> Riddell: thanks for help. Will point amarok folk at this.
[05:40] <proudhon> ive got a pctv rA
[05:40] <zooko> I don't know what a "pctv rA" is.
[05:40] <proudhon> PINNACLE PCTV Rave card
[05:40] <proudhon> sorry typo
[05:40] <zooko> Oh.
[05:40] <zooko> never heard of it...
[05:40] <NiteHawk> i use tvtime
[05:40] <NiteHawk> works fine
[05:41] <proudhon> it seems to be working becouse i can wacht tv via gnomemeeting
[05:41] <oly> eeeek, proudhon depends on the version of that card
[05:41] <proudhon> i just need a tv app
[05:41] <oly> newer ones have trouble
[05:41] <proudhon> frontend
[05:41] <oly> cuz i got one :p
[05:41] <oly> i can get to channels and sounds dont work
[05:41] <oly> two*
[05:41] <proudhon> mine worked out fine under suse 9.0 oly
[05:41] <zooko> Is there a 32-bit libSDL in Ubuntu?  I haven't found one so I monkey-installed one from debian.
[05:42] <proudhon> ubuntu has no tv apps ?
[05:42] <oly> ah, it depends on the model though
[05:42] <proudhon> i can use deba
[05:42] <proudhon> debain
[05:42] <proudhon> debian. crap typos
[05:42] <oly> i have read around and the newer ravetv have a different chip or something
[05:42] <Deft> zooko, I think the whole of sdl is in main/universe...
[05:42] <proudhon> i have old one
[05:43] <oly> i have yet to get mine to work properly :(
[05:43] <zooko> Deft: sorry, I meant a 32-bit libs package for 64-bit systems.
[05:43] <mjr> proudhon, well, I watch digi-tv with xine, does that count? :)
[05:43] <proudhon> so u advice me to dowload, debian packages
[05:44] <MasterFox> proudhon, Ubuntu is based on Debian, you can load packages for it and they will work
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> MasterFox: I would not recommend using debian packages
[05:44] <proudhon> i tried installing zapping from universe
[05:44] <proudhon> it did not work
[05:44] <zooko> What is this "television" thing you speak of.
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> proudhon: what do you mean when you say it did not work
[05:45] <HrdwrBoB> what was wrong with tvtime?
[05:45] <proudhon> missing libs
[05:45] <HrdwrBoB> which libs
[05:45] <MasterFox> HrdwrBoB, but if Ubuntu has not put a certain app in the repositories?
[05:45] <proudhon> does ubuntu have its own tvtime debs ?
[05:46] <Nafallo> anyone tried fglrx on amd64?
[05:46] <proudhon> u guys should release a working tv app with base. that would be cool
[05:46] <Nafallo> I end up with blank screen.
[05:46] <HrdwrBoB> MasterFox: you can use some, however it's not recommended due to library differences etc
[05:46] <HrdwrBoB> proudhon: ubuntu has tvtime in universe
[05:47] <proudhon> how to i install ?
[05:47] <proudhon> sorry n00b here
[05:47] <HrdwrBoB> in synaptic you can add universe
[05:47] <HrdwrBoB> it's disabled by default
[05:47] <HrdwrBoB> then you can just install tvtime
[05:47] <proudhon> oke thanks
[05:48] <proudhon> and all proper libs will be added right  ?
[05:48] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[05:48] <HrdwrBoB> that's all automatic
[05:48] <proudhon> btw since i told u guys
[05:48] <proudhon> better u guys remove zapping from universe
[05:49] <MasterFox> True on the lib issues, HrdwrBoB. Aside from that why haven't we gotten GAIM 1.1.1 into the repositories yet anyway?
[05:49] <proudhon> well thanks for the help. il put in a bug report
[05:49] <meltbanana314> does anyone know of any repositories that i can install the Korn Shell from?
[05:49] <meltbanana314> or do I have to get it from AT&T?
[05:49] <HrdwrBoB> MasterFox: it's in hoary
[05:50] <Deft> meltbanana314, there's pdksh
[05:51] <meltbanana314> Deft: it doesn't do everything that KSH93 does though.
[05:51] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me why is there a openoffice.org2-debian-files
[05:51] <BockBilbo> in ubuntu
[05:51] <proudhon> a little question peeps. Synaptic does not find tvtime
[05:51] <BockBilbo> which doesnt work?
[05:51] <pw> meltbanana314: I have some binaries somewhere of that, built on my warty box.
[05:51] <Deft> BockBilbo, start of the set needed for v2 I believe
[05:52] <BockBilbo> oh
[05:52] <BockBilbo> Deft, so it doesnt work
[05:52] <BockBilbo> right?
[05:52] <MasterFox> HrdwrBoB: Ah, Well That would explain why it's not in Warty. :) I just downloaded straight from game and installed it that way. Works like a champ
[05:52] <Deft> it's just basically the copyright notices
[05:52] <meltbanana314> pw: I can get the binaries from AT&T, but i was just looking for a quickie install through apt-get
[05:52] <HrdwrBoB> MasterFox: ah :)
[05:53] <Nafallo> I'll guess noone then...
[05:53] <proudhon> guys
[05:53] <lalaine> just installed can log in as root
[05:53] <lalaine> oops
[05:53] <lalaine> can't
[05:53] <pw> meltbanana314: No, ksh93 is not packaged for debian anywhere that I've found, and believe me, I've hunted high and low.
[05:53] <Deft> lalaine, root is distabled
[05:53] <jmhodges> lalaine: read the FAQ and learn sudo :)
[05:53] <Deft> there is a lot about it on the site
[05:53] <meltbanana314> pw: =(
[05:53] <lalaine> thanks
[05:53] <HrdwrBoB> lalaine: that's right, sudo is recommended
[05:53] <HrdwrBoB> sudo is SUperuser DO
[05:53] <HrdwrBoB> prefix things you want to run as root with sudo
[05:54] <lalaine> ok hold on
[05:54] <HrdwrBoB> it asks you for your password
[05:54] <HrdwrBoB> then executes the command as root
[05:55] <lalaine> when i click root terminal it ask for my root pass i enter it and then it say child exit status 1
[05:55] <jmhodges> note that the passwd it asks for is the users passwd, not roots
[05:55] <lalaine> i know i got the pass word right
[05:55] <jmhodges> no, it doesn't ask for roots
[05:55] <jmhodges> it ask for the users
[05:55] <ogra> lalaine: did you give your user pw ?
[05:55] <jmhodges> roots passwd should be randomly set by ubuntu at install
[05:55] <jmhodges> you dont need to worry about having a root passwd
[05:56] <lalaine> that seem bassackwards
[05:56] <Hitchhiker90> hello
[05:56] <jmhodges> lalaine: actually its not
[05:56] <Hitchhiker90> where can I find an apt-get tutorial?
[05:56] <jmhodges> lalaine: its a definite boost to security
[05:57] <MasterFox> Ok thanks alot for the help guys. I'm out
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> jmhodges: no, infact there's no root passord
[05:57] <ephemeral> why cant Rythmbox play Mp3s? It plays FLAC fine...
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> it's disabled
[05:57] <lalaine> but that means an user can run root commmands just by entering their password
[05:57] <jmhodges> HrdwrBoB: ah, i stand corrected
[05:57] <jmhodges> lalaine: not any user
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> ephemeral: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:57] <jmhodges> just the first one made
[05:57] <lalaine> awww
[05:57] <lalaine> ok
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> lalaine: others can if you make them so
[05:57] <lalaine> now i feel better
[05:57] <Nafallo> ephemeral: with universe added that is...
[05:57] <jmhodges> lalaine: and you have for allow each user made after that into the "ring" of allowed users
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> lalaine: in /etc/sudoers
[05:58] <lalaine> just never seen it done that wat
[05:58] <ephemeral> hmm.. why is it in Universe?...
[05:58] <ephemeral> infact why is it not ready installed?
[05:58] <ephemeral> legal issues?
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[05:58] <lalaine> thanks you guys
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> patent issues
[05:58] <lalaine> bye
[05:58] <Nafallo> ephemeral: because mp3 have license issues :-)
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> unfortunately the mp3 patent is being enforced
[05:58] <Nafallo> ephemeral: explained in the wiki...
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> lalaine: not a problem
[05:58] <ephemeral> ah.. who is it being enforced by?
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> fraunhofer
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> who own the patent
[05:59] <ephemeral> ah
[05:59] <ephemeral> they stand to make a lot of $ then
[05:59] <proudhon> how do i install stuff from universe
[05:59] <ephemeral> so things like winamp, have they paid for usage?
[06:00] <ogra> ephemeral: its legal to offer it for DL, you only have to pay if you distribute it on a CD
[06:00] <Nafallo> ephemeral: winamp is AOL if I remember correctly?
[06:00] <ephemeral> yes, have they paid for the usage?
[06:00] <ephemeral> things like Sonique also..?
[06:00] <proudhon> noone
[06:00] <ogra> ephemeral: they dont need to....
[06:01] <ephemeral> ogra: whys that?
[06:01] <jdub> thomson do the licensing.
[06:01] <ogra> ephemeral: or is it distributed on CD by them ?
[06:01] <Nafallo> ephemeral: dunno, but I would certainly believe so... that's a company with money ;-).
[06:01] <proudhon> guys am stuck
[06:01] <jdub> ephemeral: http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/index.html
[06:01] <Nafallo> well, f00d
[06:01] <ogra> proudhon: use synaptic
[06:01] <ephemeral> winamp is a free DL.. so is Sonique .. so are countless other M$ basedplayers
[06:01] <Nafallo> bbl
[06:02] <proudhon> ogra dont know how . it doest find tvtime
[06:02] <proudhon> i saw this however http://cpan.cybercomm.nl/pub2/ubuntu/pool/universe/t/tvtime/
[06:02] <ogra> ephemeral: yup, and mp3 for DL is free of charge...you only have to pay if you distribute it on a CD
[06:03] <ogra> ephemeral: codec that is
[06:03] <ephemeral> ah
[06:03] <NiteHawk> you have to change your apt sources and add univers
[06:03] <jdub> ephemeral: but for us, see the patent-only one on this page: http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html
[06:03] <ephemeral> that makes sense
[06:03] <proudhon> Nitehawk can i find that on some howto ?
[06:03] <globalmatador> hey guys! i have the problem that my firefox browser always jumps back in its history. i think it has to do with my synaptic touchpad, but i have turned every button emulation off in my xorg.conf (i'm running hoary)
[06:03] <Hitchhiker90> how can I tell which packages I have installed?
[06:03] <ogra> proudhon: look for the synaptic howto in the wiki it explains it
[06:03] <NiteHawk> yes
[06:04] <proudhon> thanks
[06:04] <proudhon> sorry for my rudeness here. i hate beeing n00b and bothering u devs
[06:04] <jdub> ogra: where are you getting this "if you distribute it on CD" stuff from?
[06:04] <proudhon> i love u all
[06:04] <HrdwrBoB> proudhon: in synaptics go to settings, repositories
[06:04] <ogra> proudhon: thats a support channel ;)
[06:05] <proudhon> :\
[06:05] <proudhon> thanks HrdwrBob
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> then add 'universe' onto the end of  "sections"
[06:06] <proudhon> http://cpan.cybercomm.nl/pub2/ubuntu/pool/universe/ i can add this right HrdwrBob ?
[06:06] <ogra> jdub: i read an interview with the license guy from fraunhofer, if you dont distribute it its free for personal usage...
[06:06] <proudhon> o i see
[06:06] <proudhon> thanks
[06:06] <HrdwrBoB> proudhon: no, ignore that, that's a mirror of the file that you will also download
[06:07] <proudhon> like this "main restricted universe"
[06:07] <jdub> ogra: the license is for the patent or the software, and is unrelated to the distribution method.
[06:08] <Hitchhiker90> if I need to boot into a text mode would I change the inittab line to 1, 2, or 3?
[06:08] <ogra> jdub: but if you distribute it on CD you have to buy the patent license or not ?
[06:08] <ephemeral> btw, why is Firefox 0.9.3 in Ubuntu?
[06:08] <ephemeral> and not Firefox 1
[06:08] <proudhon> and ill do that to both deb & security sections right?
[06:08] <globalmatador> does anyone here have an idea how i can troubleshoot my touchpad problem?
[06:08] <jdub> ephemeral: http://www.mp3licensing.com/licensees/index.asp
[06:08] <ogra> ephemeral: it was not stable when warty got released
[06:08] <globalmatador> ephemeral: ff 1.0 was released too late for warty
[06:09] <ephemeral> ya.. but its not even a rcognised Synaptic upgrade
[06:09] <jdub> ogra: distribution method has nothing to do with patent licensing :)
[06:09] <ephemeral> suggesting its either in Universe
[06:09] <ephemeral> or not there at all
[06:09] <globalmatador> ephermal: warty is frozen
[06:09] <snowblink> ephemeral: backport
[06:09] <jdub> ogra: and they don't define those terms
[06:09] <ogra> jdub: learning all the day ;)
[06:09] <ephemeral> ?
[06:10] <jdub> ephemeral: warty is released and stable, so there are only security and major bugfix updates.
[06:10] <ogra> jdub: nope, it was my interpratation of his words....got me :)
[06:10] <snowblink> ephemeral: add this to your sources.list - deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/ warty-backports main universe
[06:10] <jdub> ephemeral: we recommend sticking with the supported software - remember, it's only going to be as old as the latest ubuntu release (six months).
[06:10] <jdub> snowblink: please don't recommend the backports.
[06:11] <ephemeral> will Synaptic Upgrade me to a better Ubuntu when its out?
[06:11] <ephemeral> or will i need a CD
[06:11] <ogra> snowblink: people using backports will have a hard time upgrading to hoary if its stable.....
[06:11] <jdub> ephemeral: you can do it either way
[06:11] <ephemeral> ah
[06:12] <wasabi_> haha it's soo cool that i can actually use xcompmgr now without problems
[06:12] <ogra> wasabi_: nvidia ?
[06:12] <wasabi_> yup
[06:12] <snowblink> fair nuf
[06:12] <wasabi_> no crashes whatsoever
[06:12] <ogra> wasabi_: try it on another card :-P
[06:12] <wasabi_> no way
[06:13] <Deft> has anyone here run into the problem with the nvidia logo never going away?
[06:16] <proudhon> i wanna thank u guys. my tv-time works perfectly
[06:17] <proudhon> lol@topic
[06:24] <snowblink> reki: backports. I was following ubuntuguide.org. Perhaps they should put something up about why you might skip that repository?
[06:25] <insanekane> hi ... what runlevel should I select in /etc/inittab as the default, so that I get a console login instead of gdm ?
[06:25] <snowblink> re backports. I was following ubuntuguide.org. Perhaps they should put something up about why you might skip that repository?
[06:26] <ogra> snowblink: its unofficial anyway, but you could talk to the author and ask for a warning (or talk to the backports team to use a sane versioning scheme)
[06:28] <jdub> insanekane: you don't, ubuntu/debian doesn't work that way.
[06:28] <jdub> insanekane: you can remove the gdm package if you want it to always boot to the console
[06:29] <insanekane> jdub, k, i will try that ...
[06:29] <snowblink> orga: heh. I think I'll leave a message on the ubuntuguide forum thread. The other option sounds a little trickier.
[06:29] <insanekane> ubuntu screwed up my mandrake installation
[06:30] <insanekane> jdub, i want to make a new install and LiveCD, with some specific packages that are not in Ubuntu, are there any documents that describus what I can try to get that done ?
[06:31] <jdub> there's a document being written on the wiki
[06:31] <insanekane> jdub, ok, thanks I will look
[06:34] <keyfa770> hi, how do i kill X in ubuntu? ctrl+alt+backspace doesnt work bcuz the loginmanager starts up automaticly... i need to install the nvidia drivers for my gfx card..
[06:34] <jdub> keyfa770: you can do that while in X
[06:35] <jdub> keyfa770: just follow the directions on the wiki
[06:35] <keyfa770> this app installation wants me to kill all X application and me to have root access (sudo -s works i think)
[06:35] <keyfa770> wich wiki?
[06:35] <jdub> installing the nvidia packages does not require you to stop X
[06:35] <jdub> the ubuntu wiki
[06:35] <keyfa770> the synaptic packet manager doesnt have drivers included?
[06:35] <jdub> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/
[06:35] <keyfa770> it doesnt?
[06:35] <jdub> keyfa770: ubuntu ships drivers for nvidia
[06:35] <keyfa770> ohh in that case :)
[06:36] <proudhon> :| topic ....:\
[06:36] <keyfa770> i just want to know if its optimized for my gfx card.. the windows are a bit slow... maybe it is just slow?
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> keyfa770: www.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> this details how to install drivers from nvidia
[06:37] <proudhon> i dont wanna use nvidia 3d stuff
[06:37] <proudhon> only makes my dekstop more unstable
[06:37] <Twiggy> Hrm I added hoary as a repo but on 2.6.9 is coming up, do I need to add an extra repo?
[06:37] <proudhon> i guess its normal
[06:38] <keyfa770> not me either... i love everything about ubuntu... ive been using slackware and freebsd before, just as a novice user though... i dont remember how slow it was dragging windows in X
[06:38] <HrdwrBoB> proudhon: it's all or nothing
[06:38] <proudhon> yeah
[06:38] <ogra> Twiggy: you upgrade to hoary ?
[06:38] <proudhon> only use windows for my games
[06:39] <proudhon> 100 % linux for the rest of stuff
[06:39] <HrdwrBoB> you can use cedega for many games
[06:39] <Twiggy> ogra: I'm just trying to upgrade my kernel if possible (alsa problem)
[06:39] <proudhon> if only those crappy game manufacturers dev proper.
[06:40] <ogra> Twiggy: did you hit reload after adding hoary ?
[06:40] <HrdwrBoB> Twiggy: 2.6.10 is certainly in hoary currently
[06:40] <Twiggy> Yep
[06:40] <Twiggy> HrdwrBoB: Aye, it's not coming up in synaptic though
[06:40] <proudhon> is hoary unsable or testing ?
[06:40] <keyfa770> ubuntu is the first distribution i really like alot!
[06:41] <ogra> proudhon: both ;)
[06:41] <proudhon> lol
[06:41] <proudhon> i meant i can risk installing it for daily use
[06:41] <ogra> proudhon: ubuntu is not debian ;)
[06:41] <proudhon> lol
[06:41] <birger> is there a well functioning bittorent client for ubuntu?
[06:41] <proudhon> birger thats in the unofficial ubuntu guide
[06:41] <HrdwrBoB> proudhon: I would not recommend it if you aren't comfortable with fixing broken stuff
[06:42] <birger> proudhon: Thanks, I'll take a look
[06:42] <HrdwrBoB> birger: yes 'bittorrent';
[06:42] <proudhon> well a n00b like me better not then
[06:42] <proudhon> since am here asking silly questions haha
[06:43] <oly> well i am newish an playing silly games with both distros newbie style lol
[06:43] <oly> tried hoary but x.org dont work
[06:43] <proudhon> lol
[06:44] <oly> so installing warty so i can get the xf86config setting that work
[06:44] <proudhon> tuxracer & pingus are cool
[06:44] <santagada> anyone is habing problem with xcompmgr?
[06:44] <oly> then gona try hoary again
[06:44] <oly> :p
[06:44] <santagada> having
[06:44] <proudhon> xbill is cool too
[06:44] <proudhon> M$ bashing
[06:44] <proudhon> haha
[06:44] <oly> what fun, damn savage card in my laptop
[06:44] <oly> always giving me grief
[06:45] <santagada> frozen buble is nice
[06:45] <Frossi> Hi, how can I get Nvidia's new drivers on warty?
[06:45] <proudhon> yeah i had a savage 4. always trouble under Xfree86 too
[06:45] <MorbidAngel> Hello
[06:46] <oly> mine a savage pro twister or something wierd
[06:46] <MorbidAngel> im having a problem, i was installing ubuntu, and i got this error, said something about a bad Cd, or the CD-rw drive was too fasst, the base installation wouldnt install
[06:46] <santagada> Frossi, i don't think so
[06:46] <proudhon> the weirder the GPU. the more trouble duh!
[06:46] <oly> i dont mine playing with warty on my laptop though, cuz i dont use it much any more :)
[06:47] <bohlson> any german people here?
[06:47] <oly> yeah, i want a nice nvidia chip in my laptop at least that works and very well :)
[06:47] <santagada> MorbidAngel, they talk about this in some faq, it is common to burn a bad cd, have you checked the md5sum?
[06:47] <MorbidAngel> your talking to a guy thats completely linux illiterate :)..
[06:49] <proudhon> crap i switched to composite channel by accident on tvtime. how do get back to my normal channels ?
[06:49] <santagada> MorbidAngel,  well, then you can find md5summer and make it calculate the md5 of the cd
[06:49] <mhz> moin!
[06:50] <santagada> then you can visually compare to the one on the ubuntu site, or you can burn the cd again :)
[06:50] <proudhon> burning it with k3b worked out fine.
[06:50] <santagada> if he is linux illiterate he doesn't have k3b
[06:51] <proudhon> lol
[06:51] <proudhon> noone here uses tvtime ?
[06:51] <Twiggy> proudhon: I do
[06:51] <santagada> Where do you live MorbidAngel?
[06:51] <MorbidAngel> i got the CD's in the mail -_-;. i have no blank CD's of my own, and im running on a 56k modem, like hell im downloading it..
[06:51] <proudhon> watching to composite
[06:51] <MorbidAngel> i live in Canada
[06:51] <Twiggy> proudhon: Just right click and poke around in the menu a bit
[06:51] <proudhon> gotta get back to normal channels
[06:51] <proudhon> oh
[06:51] <Twiggy> proudhon: I use NTSC for mine
[06:52] <santagada> well i can't give any of my cds, I live in Brazil
[06:52] <proudhon> aha i see
[06:52] <proudhon> am from holland i use PAL
[06:52] <santagada> if it came from canonical it must be some problem with you cd drive
[06:52] <proudhon> NTSC sucks
[06:52] <yeti> does ubuntu come with alsa and udev by default?
[06:52] <HrdwrBoB> yeti: yes
[06:53] <santagada> yeti only in hoary
[06:53] <santagada> warty doesnt came with udev
[06:53] <santagada> I think
[06:53] <HrdwrBoB> no, it does
[06:53] <jdub> yeah it does :)
[06:53] <Twiggy> Aye it does
[06:53] <santagada> are you all sure?
[06:53] <Twiggy> udev had sex with my camera last night
[06:53] <jdub> absolutely sure
[06:53] <proudhon> lol
[06:54] <santagada> :)
[06:54] <jdub> Twiggy: keep it nice, please.
[06:54] <mhz> Has anyone here uses Ubuntu + Debian source.list?
[06:54] <jdub> mhz: no, we strongly discourage it.
[06:54] <mhz> I mean, with no problems, obviously
[06:54] <mhz> :)
[06:54] <jdub> mhz: you're better off sticking to the ubuntu main and universe repos.
[06:54] <santagada> and multiverse
[06:55] <mhz> jdub: but will universe ONLY use "Free as in Freedom" packages?
[06:55] <santagada> I really think ubuntu should have multiverse in it default sources.list, commented and with an explanation
[06:55] <Twiggy> Aye
[06:55] <santagada> mhz, yes
[06:55] <jdub> mhz: multiverse is equivalent to debian's contrib/non-free
[06:55] <Twiggy> I wanted mplayer, had to rAwk the multiverse for that
[06:55] <siretart> mhz: yes. non-free stuff is in ubuntu multiverse
[06:55] <Deft> santagada, in hoary there is a program to manage sources, which has multiverse as a tick box
[06:56] <proudhon> dont incurrage nonfree software
[06:56] <HrdwrBoB> encourage
[06:56] <proudhon> typos
[06:56] <proudhon> am from holland
[06:57] <ogra>  /am/are/ ?
[06:57] <ogra> *g*
[06:57] <proudhon> teaser
[06:57] <proudhon> *grins back*
[06:57] <mhz> hmmm, I got a little confused the... "multiverse" will assure me to get only GPL and Free packages, no mplayer, lame, etc and stuff
[06:57] <mhz> ?
[06:57] <nestle-iced-tea> Hey.. Easy question.. I just set up apache, and moved a .avi file to my /var/www for a friend, but he can't download it because it says Forbidden.. How do I set the permissions on the file?
[06:58] <don> chmod a+r pr0n.avi for example.
[06:58] <tritium> nestle-iced-tea, with "chmod"
[06:58] <Deft> nestle-iced-tea, you can change permissions from nautilus
[06:58] <proudhon> pr0n haha
[06:58] <jdub> mhz: multiverse is equivalent to debian's contrib and non-free
[06:58] <nestle-iced-tea> lol
[06:58] <don> proudhon: he said it's an .avi file.. ;)
[06:58] <nestle-iced-tea> thanks
[06:58] <jdub> mhz: but we still can't distribute things we're not allowed to
[06:58] <siretart> mhz: I think you confuse multiverse and universe
[06:58] <nestle-iced-tea> it is an .avi
[06:58] <nestle-iced-tea> but its 3rd rock from the sun
[06:58] <nestle-iced-tea> haha
[06:59] <mhz> ah, ok then
[06:59] <mhz> so RMS will be proud :)
[06:59] <jdub> mhz: he's said some nice things about us, yeah
[07:00] <mhz> jdub + siretart : in your opinions why just 1 mirror (so far?) when apt-setup ? Anyway I can get to use apt-setup to use other mirrors?
[07:01] <proudhon> laughing my ass off. tvtime has funny furtune like thingy :P
[07:01] <jdub> mhz: at warty's release, we only had our central server that we could rely on.
[07:02] <mhz> ah
[07:02] <insanekane> Riddell, are u there ?
[07:02] <Riddell> insanekane: hi
[07:03] <insanekane> Riddell, i see you are working on Kubuntu ...
[07:03] <mhz> jdub: and how many people at "security"?
[07:03] <jdub> mhz: i don't quite get the question
[07:03] <Riddell> insanekane: yep
[07:03] <insanekane> Riddell, I am interested in remastering Ubuntu with KDE packages ... jdub told me there was some documentation on this, but I cant seem to find it on the wiki
[07:03] <keyfa770> hi
[07:04] <jdub> insanekane: the kubuntu guys are going to be doing that
[07:04] <ogra> insanekane: join them :)
[07:04] <insanekane> jdub, yes :)
[07:04] <keyfa770> is there anyway possible to mount a windows partition and let the user to both read / write from ubuntu?
[07:04] <keyfa770> i can only find read only howtos
[07:04] <insanekane> ogra, my point exactly :)
[07:04] <proudhon> so where are the gubuntu guys ? *grins*
[07:04] <yeti> is there something like packages.ubuntu.org?
[07:04] <tritium> Keybuk, fat or ntfs?
[07:04] <santagada> using kernel drivers you don't
[07:04] <ogra> insanekane: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[07:04] <tritium> keyfa770, rather
[07:05] <keyfa770> tritium, NTFS
[07:05] <jdub> yeti: no
[07:05] <mhz> jdub: AFAIK, in source.list there's the line "security". I believe it does the similar job as Debian "security" team who check for packages, right?
[07:05] <Riddell> insanekane: that's what we're doing, don't think there's any docs on remastering ubuntu yet, /join #kubuntu for us
[07:05] <insanekane> ogra,yes I can see that page (which is where I found Riddell) .. but i cant find the documentation on remastering :(
[07:05] <jdub> mhz: yes.
[07:05] <santagada> there were a package to do that
[07:05] <santagada> captive
[07:05] <santagada> but i don't see it in ubuntu
[07:05] <siretart> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive says that hoary users will have a "automatic" mirror setup software. is this correct? what tool is this page referring to?
[07:06] <yeti> jdub: uh, why? how will i find out if a program is in the ubuntu repository?
[07:06] <klaym> is there some system to manage desktop themes for ubuntu?
[07:06] <ogra> insanekane: i think thats not complete yet.....either join kubuntu or wait until its available :)
[07:06] <mhz> jdub: how many people take care of that msision in Ubuntu's?
[07:06] <mz2> is there some easy firewall configuration tool in ubuntu?
[07:06] <froust> Can anyone give me a hand with the ati drivers?
[07:06] <tritium> keyfa770, not sure if ntfstools supports write as well
[07:06] <keyfa770> hum :/
[07:07] <jdub> mhz: one dedicated, with the assistance of various package specialists.
[07:07] <insanekane> ogra, done
[07:07] <HrdwrBoB> mz2: you can apt-get firestarter, there is no firewall by default
[07:07] <jdub> mhz: but there is a growing security team
[07:07] <snowblink> how can I list all the packages installed from a given repository?
[07:07] <mhz> jdub: ah, cool!
[07:08] <mz2> HrdwrBoB, cheers
[07:08] <mz2> how about samba configuration?
[07:08] <HrdwrBoB> snowblink: why would you want that
[07:08] <ogra> insanekane: great :)
[07:08] <mz2> it's not overwhelming to do it myself but still, gui wouldn't hurt :)
[07:08] <HrdwrBoB> mz2: there is a 'shares' interface that comes with ubuntu
[07:09] <HrdwrBoB> though tbh I have not used it
[07:09] <snowblink> HrdwrBoB: want to see what I have installed from backports
[07:09] <mz2> HrdwrBoB, what's it called?
[07:09] <yeti> i know that's a provocative question, but: could anyone sum up in one line why i should use ubuntu rather than debian unstable?
[07:09] <mhz> jdub: mainly, my concerns are regarding the effort. I mean, how better can be to dedicate time team effort to check on packages while there's already a Debian team to do so (well, for general packages, not ubuntu's)
[07:10] <HrdwrBoB> snowblink: there is no easy way
[07:10] <HrdwrBoB> snowblink: you could write a small script to do it
[07:10] <Nafallo> snowblink: if you remove the repo and update they will show up as local or obsolute :-)
[07:10] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[07:10] <jdub> mhz: well, look at it this way - quite a few recent debian security updates have credited ubuntu. :-)
[07:10] <mhz> good point! :D
[07:10] <HrdwrBoB> mz2: administration->shared folders
[07:10] <proudhon> ubuntu rocks :D
[07:11] <kez_> hey, anyone got a moment to help a newb who just installed ubuntu but got stuck when xfree died?
[07:11] <jdub> so who here is a web designer?
[07:11] <jdub> and why haven't you entered the ubuntu website comp yet? :)
[07:11] <PotajiTo> wenas
[07:11] <Nafallo> s/look/looked/
[07:11] <HrdwrBoB> haha if by web designer you mean 'I wrote stuff and put it in a file with a html extension"
[07:11] <mz2> HrdwrBoB, administration?
[07:11] <froust> Can anyone help me out with getting the ATI vid card drivers working?
[07:12] <HrdwrBoB> mz2: not beyond that afaik
[07:12] <snowblink> HrdwrBoB, Nafallo: cheers will have a go
[07:12] <proudhon> lol hHrdwrBoB
[07:12] <tritium> Kezza, how did xfree die?
[07:12] <keknehv> I'm having some major problems with Synaptic and apt-get, in general
[07:12] <mhz> jdub: one last question from me :)...
[07:12] <giard> xfree is still around
[07:12] <Kezza> tritium: it tried to pull some strange screen resoultion that none of my monitors will support
[07:12] <proudhon> M$ Office web export = evil!
[07:12] <giard> but they were playing with the licenses, and that irritated people
[07:12] <mz2> HrdwrBoB, I must be really stupid but I'm yet to see this "Administration" anywhere
[07:13] <santagada> yeti, I am using ubuntu because I like the  ubuntu gnome better
[07:13] <HrdwrBoB> mz2: oh, it's probably 'system' or something
[07:13] <HrdwrBoB> sorry the menus have significantly changed in hoary
[07:13] <keknehv> My perl-base is broken
[07:13] <Crane> hello
[07:13] <mhz> jdub: any chance I can select which packages I want installed after base system has been configured ? I personally would not use some of default packages.
[07:13] <HrdwrBoB> keknehv: what are you doing with apt
[07:13] <Crane> HrdwrBoB: yea thay have and I think I like them
[07:13] <Kezza> tritium: i've managed to get into xf86cfg but it died when i tried to set up my mouse first... first i need to find out how to kill that, and secondly i need to fix the screen resoultion.
[07:13] <HrdwrBoB> mhz: if you run in advanced mode
[07:13] <mz2> ah... but that tool you're talking about, taht's in gnome 2.9 isn't it, not in 2.8?
[07:13] <mz2> that
[07:13] <Nafallo> HrdwrBoB: AFAIK that shares-tool isn't availble in warty?
[07:13] <keknehv> Synaptic, actually. I have broken packages, and nothing will fix them
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> oh well.. I was wrong
[07:14] <jdub> yeti: ubuntu - supported six-monthly stable releases, skates the bleeding edge of some software (particularly gnome), etc.
[07:14] <mz2> Nafallo, exactly
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> wouldn't be the first time
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> sorry about that
[07:14] <jdub> mhz: nup, install the system and add/remove as you wish.
[07:14] <froust> Has anyone here got the 64 bit ati drivers working?
[07:14] <Nafallo> mz2: if you want an easy way to set up samba-shares in warty swat is probably the way to go...
[07:14] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: finally we have the proof that you are human :)
[07:14] <proudhon> lol ogra
[07:14] <HrdwrBoB> Kezza: check /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[07:15] <Ex-Cyber> anyone know what to do about Macromedia's flash player not displaying some text/graphics?
[07:15] <HrdwrBoB> ogra: haha :)
[07:15] <jdub> ogra: nah, he's just shorting. i'll replace the fuse. :)
[07:15] <proudhon> orga i thought he was a bot
[07:15] <ogra> hehe
[07:15] <keknehv> So, what should I do?
[07:15] <Ex-Cyber> apart from "help develop gplflash", which is an option I'm giving some thought to :P
[07:15] <Crane> lol
[07:15] <proudhon> lol
[07:15] <proudhon> yo HrdwrBoB !beer
[07:16] <proudhon> !beer
[07:16] <yeti> jdub: so, is ubuntu warty more recent than debian sid?
[07:16] <keknehv> There are a multitude of upgrades needed, but perl-base won't upgrade
[07:16] <jdub> yeti: warty isn't.
[07:16] <HrdwrBoB> keknehv: what sources do you have in apt-get
[07:16] <jdub> yeti: see, ubuntu is a branch of sid.
[07:16] <keknehv> HrdwrBoB: I think I have just about everything
[07:17] <jdub> yeti: so the devel branch actually *is* sid (plus ubuntu changesets) for most of its cycle.
[07:17] <HrdwrBoB> Ex-Cyber: it's a problem with the way X and flash work
[07:17] <keknehv> Here's the error:
[07:17] <jdub> yeti: then we freeze and fix and release, and do it all again.
[07:17] <mhz> jdub: hmmm, ok. .oO (I always wanted a based Debian Distro like Ubuntu but with minor differences to Ubuntu (like picking packages already in CD instead of getting the Full CD, mainly)
[07:17] <froust> Should I use the fglrxconfig after installing the ati drivers?
[07:17] <HrdwrBoB> mhz: not everything on the CD is installed
[07:17] <keknehv> Hold on...
[07:17] <proudhon> i think the base is proper for most users
[07:18] <jdub> we install the desktop seed, but the cd also includes the ship seed, which is "other useful stuff you might want straight away" :)
[07:18] <Cred> Hello. I've installed apache2 and before last boot it was working fine, now it seems to be binding on IPv6 address. Is there some setting from Ubuntu that makes this happen or is it purely apache2 thing?
[07:18] <HrdwrBoB> mhz: eg build essential, ssh, etc
[07:18] <keknehv> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:18] <keknehv>   libperl5.8: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.2) but 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.1 is installed
[07:18] <keknehv>   perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.2) but 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.1 is installed
[07:18] <hams> jdub: tried the amd64 livecd, apperently it needs the latest nvidia drivers...
[07:18] <proudhon> Cred its also in the ubuntu guide
[07:18] <keknehv> Hmmm... this is really weird
[07:18] <Kezza> HrdwrBoB: what am i looking for? i cant find which resoultion it's trying to use
[07:19] <keknehv> Is there anything I can do?
[07:19] <mhz> HrdwrBoB: I mean, after base system is installed, if users want to keep installing, AFAIK, the only chances given are "web" or "CD", but no "select which packages from WEB or CD"
[07:19] <racoontje> hmm
[07:19] <ogra> hams: it works great with the nv driver here
[07:19] <HrdwrBoB> keknehv: can you past your sources.list on pastebin.com
[07:19] <jdub> hams: your hardware does?
[07:19] <keknehv> Okay
[07:19] <proudhon> unoffical ubuntu guide mentions the ipv6 problem
[07:19] <racoontje> I need the exact sources.list line for the .nl ubuntu mirror, could anyone help me?
[07:19] <Crane> hey I just got my printer working and would like to back up the config file
[07:19] <Kezza> HrdwrBoB: it has detected a list of valid resolutions though
[07:19] <hams> jdub: yeah
[07:19] <Crane> where is that file located
[07:19] <Cred> proudhon, oh. Great, thanks.
[07:19] <jdub> hams: no nv support? badness.
[07:19] <HrdwrBoB> Kezza: if you want to put that log on pastebin I can check it out
[07:19] <proudhon> np
[07:20] <gurrio> hi
[07:20] <hams> jdub: all i get is a corrupted video image?
[07:20] <keknehv> HrdwrBoB: Where is the source.list again?
[07:20] <yeti> jdub: hm, you know, i'm looking for a distro for my brother - he's not a linux guru, he just wants everything to work (mp3, watching videos, teamspeak, skype, gaim) and i want it to work without having to spend hours because (insert random problem here)
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> keknehv: /etc/apt/
[07:20] <santagada> Have anyone hear about using bittorrent for apt package downloads, it seems logical...
[07:20] <Kezza> HrdwrBoB: sorry, i'm a bit new to all this, what's pastebin?
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> Kezza: pastebin.com
[07:20] <Kezza> ah
[07:20] <racoontje> I need the exact sources.list line for the .nl ubuntu mirror, could anyone help me?
[07:20] <HrdwrBoB> Kezza: you can put stuff there without annoying everyone
[07:21] <yeti> jdub: i'm sure ubuntu is a great distro, but will it fulfill this needs or should i rather try mandrake/fedora?
[07:21] <tritium> If I've modified my /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will do nothing, correct?
[07:21] <gurrio> i'm trying to run ubuntu linux live-cd, but i'm at the login screen and i don't know neither ther username nor the password
[07:21] <gurrio> can you help me?
[07:21] <HrdwrBoB> tritium: that's right
[07:21] <jdub> yeti: won't take you hours to get those going
[07:21] <keknehv> http://pastebin.com/232142
[07:21] <tritium> HrdwrBoB, thanks!
[07:21] <jdub> yeti: lots of info in ubuntuguide and on the wiki
[07:21] <keknehv> HrDwrBob: http://pastebin.com/232142
[07:21] <hams> with the install amd64 cd, does it try to got to X right away or does it start you with a console only?
[07:21] <santagada> yeti, the problem with ubuntu is that it is hard to install all the packages that you will need, like win32codecs and totem-xine
[07:22] <jdub> yeti: some of it we just can't do - same as the other free-as-in-beer-and-speech distros.
[07:22] <Crane> jdub,  I would say mandrake over fedora, less issues. I'm not trying to start a distro argument either
[07:22] <froust> How do I create a fresh xorg.conf?
[07:22] <jdub> santagada: it's not.
[07:22] <tritium> Becuase it steps through the whole configuration process.  I'm not sure how the user is supposed to know that nothing gets configured.
[07:22] <santagada> jdub, it is
[07:22] <HrdwrBoB> keknehv: have you run an apt-get update?
[07:22] <jdub> santagada: for his brother, perhaps. not for anyone who groks linux and can read ubuntuguide or the wiki.
[07:23] <Crane> I haven't even tryied totem
[07:23] <santagada> jdub, I was using gentoo before, and I think it is in the almost same level to get the system complete
[07:23] <Crane>  I just stick with mplayer
[07:23] <jdub> santagada: ha ha. ooooookay.
[07:24] <keknehv> HrdwrBob: Yes... this comes out too:
[07:24] <keknehv> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages)
[07:24] <keknehv> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[07:24] <ogra>  keknehv: remove the duplicate ;)
[07:24] <irbdavid> hiya, i cant get my sound working on ubuntu
[07:24] <HrdwrBoB> keknehv: yes, you have it twice, really you should remove the second one
[07:24] <Ex-Cyber> HrdwrBoB: when you say "a problem with the way X and flash work", do you just mean the Macromedia flash player or that the imaging models are incompatible?
[07:24] <Crane> hmmmm can't seem to find config for printer
[07:24] <hams> can anyone tell me does the install cd setup the system to boot straight to X or do you start with the console first?
[07:25] <HrdwrBoB> Ex-Cyber: basically yes
[07:25] <yeti> jdub: he did manage to install debian sarge once, but unfortunately it didn't autorecognise his soundcard and i had no time to fix it - well, i think i'll give it a try though
[07:25] <jdub> hams: straight into x.
[07:25] <HrdwrBoB> Ex-Cyber: I can't remember exactly, daniels was telling me about it the other day
[07:25] <hams> is there any way around that?
[07:25] <yeti> maybe ubuntu works :)
[07:25] <jdub> hams: uninstall gdm.
[07:25] <keknehv> ogra: How do I remove the duplicate?
[07:25] <Cred> proudhon, I couldn't find anything related to apache2 IPv6 problem. I disabled the support from Firefox but that didn't solve it.
[07:25] <hams> ok, but if my video's not working, what do i do??
[07:25] <ogra>  keknehv: the way you added it, but backwards ?
[07:25] <irbdavid> can anyone help me find out what's wrong with the set up and fix it?
[07:25] <Crane> hams,  i believe there is an option at the first of the installer to do advanced install
[07:25] <Cred> proudhon, as it seems that apache2 is binding to IPv6 address.
[07:26] <proudhon> Cred my fault sorry
[07:26] <santagada> i think it is really dificult, for me a desktop system needs everything in my native language, needs to play every movie and song that I have downloaded (every pr0n movie using strange codecs) and java, also it needs gaim-guifications and some other things that ubuntu doesnt have
[07:26] <jdub> hams: ctrl-alt-f1?
[07:26] <HrdwrBoB> keknehv: edit the file, you can use synaptic to disable it
[07:26] <jdub> hams: or boot into recovery mode and change the config.
[07:26] <hams> jdub: no too late at that point
[07:26] <HrdwrBoB> keknehv: settings-> repositories
[07:26] <keknehv> Got it
[07:26] <njan> I agree with santagada on java. A distro which 'just works' off the shelf needs java.
[07:26] <proudhon> can anyone help Cred
[07:26] <santagada> jub, or maybe I just got used to gentoo
[07:26] <keknehv> No errors this time... so what should I do now?
[07:26] <Crane> irbdavid, what set up
[07:26] <tritium> froust, I may be wrong, but I think if you read the very top of /etc/X11/xorg.conf, you can run md5sum and then dpkg-reconfigure.
[07:26] <hams> Crane: it alows diableing X or chaning the runlevel?
[07:26] <HaRDaWaY> hello people
[07:26] <irbdavid> Crane, its an ibm X20
[07:26] <Cred> proudhon, yea np :)
[07:26] <njan> But I think aside java and win32codecs, there isn't much ubuntu doesn't have (aside mandrake's installer)
[07:26] <HrdwrBoB> njan: that's not exactly ubuntu's fault
[07:27] <njan> HrdwrBoB, I know it isn't.
[07:27] <jdub> njan: can't ship the jvms.
[07:27] <irbdavid> crystal sound cs4281 audio chipset
[07:27] <njan> jdub, I know
[07:27] <santagada> njan, but althought java programmers are always saying java is free, it isn't, really
[07:27] <proudhon> sorry i thought i read stuff in the guide about it. sorry to send u to a bad link
[07:27] <Crane> hams, isn't that what your looking for? select runlevel 3
[07:27] <njan> I'm just pointing out, objectively, what a distro which 'just works' needs, irrespective of licensing
[07:27] <ogra> njan: does mdks installer work on ia64 or sparc ?
[07:27] <njan> ogra, probably not - but I don't know a single consumer who runs either of those chipsets as a home pc
[07:27] <froust> Can anyone tell me how to create a new xorg.conf?
[07:27] <hams> Crane: yes, thanks, i'll try it.
[07:28] <ogra> njan: ppc ?
[07:28] <njan> ogra, home pc == x86.
[07:28] <Cred> proudhon, no problem. This problem is strange though.. I have not made any changes and still it binds to wrong address apparently.
[07:28] <tritium> froust, did you see my last message?
[07:28] <njan> ogra, no home user who wasn't totally computer literate using osx would have any motivation to switch to linux
[07:28] <HrdwrBoB> Cred: that will not make any differencce
[07:28] <Crane> irbdavid, Sorry I must have missed tthe message earlier? do you not have sound?
[07:28] <HrdwrBoB> Crane: even
[07:28] <froust> no i didn't
[07:28] <froust> *scrolls up*
[07:28] <proudhon> perhaps the guys at apache have a IRC channel ?
[07:28] <njan> ogra, osx is as good-an OS as linux is. But linux far surpasses windows on an x86, if it's all setup.
[07:28] <santagada> froust, dpk-reconfigure xserver-xorg or something like that
[07:28] <mz2> thank god ubuntu doesn't have mandrake's installer... not exactly the nicest one, i've managed to crash it a few times in the middle of an installation :)
[07:28] <froust> i'll try it out! thanks :)
[07:28] <HrdwrBoB> Crane: ubuntu does not use runlevels the same as redhat
[07:28] <keknehv> HrdwrBoB: I'm getting the exact same error
[07:28] <tritium> sure
[07:28] <froust> santagada: that didn't work
[07:28] <irbdavid> Crane, nope no sound
[07:28] <njan> mz2, no, but it is extremely easy touse, which is the point I was making
[07:28] <HrdwrBoB> keknehv: when you run apt-get update?
[07:29] <njan> ogra, sure, but you're not an average consumer
[07:29] <ogra> hmm
[07:29] <siretart> has someone tried pinfo from universe?
[07:29] <njan> ogra, the 'average consumer' probably has one or two PCs, and they're x86.
[07:29] <siretart> I like that info browser, but the package in hoary/universe seems broken :(
[07:29] <njan> ogra, at the most, they may have two or three and a wireless connection they bought from walmart/dixons/compusa which may or may not be setup correctly.
[07:29] <pd> anyone have the fglrx drivers installed on xorg (hoary) that i can look at their /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[07:29] <jdub> njan: fairly likely we'll be a great-leap-for-mankind ahead of the other installers for bendy.
[07:29] <keknehv> http://pastebin.com/232146
[07:29] <njan> jdub, I'm hoping :)
[07:29] <Cred> pd, I have
[07:30] <njan> jdub, it's the one thing that as far as I'm concerned ubuntu really really needs. Then I can hand it out to friends and family without explaining how to partition hard disks
[07:30] <pd> can you spew in a query window?
[07:30] <Crane> HrdwrBoB, sorry I'm still learning  ubuntu and debian, been on redhat for couple years
[07:30] <keknehv> HrdwrBob: That's the error that I keep on getting. http://pastebin.com/232146
[07:30] <tritium> Is bendy after grumpy?
[07:30] <njan> jdub, at the moment, I hand out a CD and then go 'if you want help partitioning let me know - I don't advise you do it on your own'
[07:30] <HrdwrBoB> keknehv: try apt-get install liblockfile-simple-perl
[07:30] <jdub> njan: that'll still be the case, whichever installer you give them.
[07:30] <hams> is cdimage.ubuntu.com the only palce to download hoary?
[07:30] <jdub> if they have to partition for whatever reason, doesn't matter what the installer is.
[07:30] <zen_> are there any mirrors for hoary array 3?
[07:30] <njan> jdub, true
[07:31] <njan> jdub, this is one advantage windows has over linux - it's almost always being installed as the only OS on the system
[07:31] <santagada> Talking about sun j2re I think they are now giving permissions to distribute it, you just need to ask then, could cannonical do that (and do the same for flash)?
[07:31] <njan> jdub, but the ubuntu partitioner is scary for anyone who hasn't used a command-line partitioner before
[07:31] <mz2> jdub, actually not... suse or mandrake handle partitioning really quite well
[07:31] <zen_> i'm getting ~1.5 KB/s out of cdimage.ubuntu.com
[07:31] <njan> jdub, it's not an easy to task to make up a partition scheme, and the ubuntu partitioner in the install sequence is far from logical
[07:31] <jdub> njan: partitioning is scary, no matter what you throw at users.
[07:31] <njan> jdub, yes, but if the interface is friendly and it gives you a 'guess' option, it's less scary
[07:31] <njan> the ubuntu partitioner is 160% more scary than mandrake's.
[07:32] <proudhon> it sure is. if it goes wrong the table is ruined
[07:32] <pd> jdub, yep, i been partitioning HDs for years... its still scary and somewhat easy to mess up
[07:32] <Hitchhiker90> ah hah! i figured out how to boot into terminal mode!
[07:32] <froust> trit: it didn't work... my i think this line is screwed: /var/lib/xorg//etc/X11/xorg.conf.md5sum
[07:32] <HrdwrBoB> Why do so many people want to boot into a terminal with no X ?
[07:32] <njan> ubuntu needs a) something which looks modern (it's more important to newbies than you think), and b) the ability to resize partitions
[07:32] <irbdavid> Crane, any ideas / pointers?
[07:32] <santagada> njan, I am now remembering openbsd installation, it asked for how many cillinders and other stupid information
[07:32] <proudhon> HrdwrBoB server peeps
[07:32] <njan> if it has those two things, you can get it to automagically dualboot with windows after resizing the windows partition. When it can do that it'll be perfect.
[07:32] <Hitchhiker90> HrdwrBoB, because we can :P  j/k, just to see if I could do it should I ever need to
[07:33] <proudhon> haha
[07:33] <njan> santagada, yup. And that's how partitioning for linux seems to most windows users who've never partitioned before.
[07:33] <jdub> njan: we know, and we're working on it. but partitioning is not a sane thing for most people to do anyway, regardless of the ui.
[07:33] <Crane> irbdavid, not off the top of my head, browsing the net now
[07:33] <proudhon> becouse its geekish!
[07:33] <njan> Even if tehy have partitioned before, linux uses totally different nomenclature for partitions than windows and that in itself is terrifying.
[07:33] <HrdwrBoB> proudhon: yes it's just not necessary
[07:33] <jdub> some things you just can't get right, because their very existence exposes too much bollocks.
[07:33] <Crane> HrdwrBoB, I would in a server config
[07:33] <njan> jdub, agreed. But if you're aiming for people who haven't used linux before to use ubuntu, it's necessary.
[07:33] <HrdwrBoB> proudhon: I still run X on ubuntu servers
[07:33] <jdub> njan: you're missing the point.
[07:33] <njan> jdub, otherwise, your target audience is always going to be previous linux users.
[07:33] <proudhon> yeah me too
[07:33] <njan> jdub, I don't see how
[07:33] <santagada> njan, I think what would be best would be a live cd that installs, like noppix, with parted and the internet to help a simple user
[07:33] <jdub> njan: no matter what you do, it will suck.
[07:34] <HrdwrBoB> partitions are inherently broken
[07:34] <Cred> So, does someone else here know why apache2 would bind to IPv6 without me telling it to do so? :)
[07:34] <proudhon> HrdwrBoB its for peeps with cheap ass machines
[07:34] <HrdwrBoB> you can't avoid it
[07:34] <Crane> I kill X on my server just to free up resources
[07:34] <njan> jdub, if you want to use that logic, no matter how many people use linux, people are still going to use windows, so we might as well all not bother, reformat, and install winxp
[07:34] <jdub> njan: you can make it pretty, you can make it easier to clicky-click, but you're still giving them the plank.
[07:34] <njan> jdub, what you need to do is reach a critical mass at which 75% of windows users are able or comfortable repartitioning their system
[07:34] <hams> proudhon: i don't find my new nforce4 "cheap"
[07:34] <HrdwrBoB> Crane: the amount of resources X eats when not being used is so close to 0
[07:34] <njan> jdub, it'll still be torturous, especially for that 25%
[07:34] <proudhon> comon guys help out Cred
[07:34] <jdub> njan: you're still missing the point.
[07:35] <njan> jdub, but at the moment I would guess that about 1 in 100 windows users would make it through the partitioning scheme
[07:35] <proudhon> hams lol
[07:35] <njan> jdub, if I am, you're not making it properly :)
[07:35] <Cred> proudhon :)
[07:35] <jdub> njan: my mum should never have to know what partitioning is.
[07:35] <njan> jdub, exactly.
[07:35] <jdub> njan: the fact that we have to expose it is ridiculous.
[07:35] <Cred> proudhon, this might not be Ubuntu business anyhow..
[07:35] <jdub> so no matter what you do
[07:35] <njan> njan ubuntu needs a) something which looks modern (it's more important to newbies than you think), and b) the ability to resize partitions
[07:35] <jdub> it is still insane.
[07:35] <njan> njan if it has those two things, you can get it to automagically dualboot with windows after resizing the windows partition. When it can do that it'll be perfect.
[07:35] <jdub> njan: don't repeat yourself, we can read.
[07:35] <keknehv> I think I found my problem:   libperl5.8: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.2) but 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.1 is to be installed
[07:35] <froust> Can anyone please help me out with X problems?
[07:36] <proudhon> not thier just too buzy flaming each other
[07:36] <tidalwav> k, a question: hwo can I play HE AAC streams such as the ones from tuner2.com using Ubuntu?
[07:36] <njan> proudhon, it's getting that way ;)
[07:36] <keknehv> How can I make it so that perl-base 5.8.4-ubuntu0.2 is installed
[07:36] <tidalwav> *how
[07:36] <tritium> froust, did that not work?
[07:36] <Crane> irbdavid,
[07:36] <irbdavid> yep
[07:36] <proudhon> cred perhaps u can hang out on slashdot
[07:36] <froust> trit: i think this line is buggered: >/var/lib/xorg//etc/X11/xorg.conf.md5sum ... it returns no such file or directory
[07:36] <Crane> irbdavid,  found this http://blackbird.cir.nus.edu.sg/~lzs/linux_t20.html
[07:36] <HrdwrBoB> froust: what is the problem
[07:37] <hams> 5KB/sec download esitmated time remaining 31hours...
[07:37] <njan> jdub, my position is basically that ubuntu needs a more modern installer, and in particular a more modern partitioning screen, and the ability to resize partitions. And once it can do that, it can automagically install without the user needing to know about partitions. Which is what you've said is desirable.
[07:37] <Cred> proudhon, huh?
[07:37] <hams> there are no mirrors for hoary?
[07:37] <Crane> little ways down the page is info on sound problems this person had
[07:37] <njan> jdub, so whilst I agree with you that users shouldn't have to understand partitioning, we need to go through a phase in which partitioning is easier before it becomes unnecessary.
[07:37] <jdub> njan: and i'm saying that a) we're doing that anyway and b) you're wrong.
[07:37] <proudhon> cred the guys at irc.slashdot.org can help u i think
[07:37] <irbdavid> cool, thanks Crane, i'll work through that
[07:38] <irbdavid> i gotta scoot now anyhew, cheers for the link though
[07:38] <froust> I was trying to install the ati drivers, which seemed to work (synaptic d/l, then changed ati to fglrx in xorg.conf), but I could only get 640x480 resolution, then I tried changing the fglrx back to ati, and now my screen is all garbled (in x)
[07:38] <tritium> froust, sure enough.  Even though its Xorg, the directory for that is /var/lib/xfree86
[07:38] <Crane> irbdavid,  no prob
[07:38] <tritium> Surprising!
[07:38] <pd> froust, what kind of X problems?
[07:38] <pd> First of all, the best OS installers goes to the Mac OS X
[07:38] <Crane> hey
[07:38] <pd> once you can mimic that
[07:38] <pd> your set
[07:38] <santagada> jdub, so what will be the future of ubuntu install
[07:38] <varla> hi how do I make thunderbird my default email
[07:38] <jdub> santagada: a sane, gnomey gui on top of d-i.
[07:38] <varla> in firefox
[07:38] <froust> tritium: the syntax of that line is messed "//"
[07:38] <njan> jdub, well, it goes without saying that I don't think that I'm wrong, but that remains to be seen. It's all speculative anyway, since we're talking about a goal which nothing has attained yet.
[07:39] <froust> should there be a space?
[07:39] <pd> froust, what card ?
[07:39] <tritium> froust, yes, but it's more than just the double //
[07:39] <HrdwrBoB> pd: OSX doesn't count for much because they have an absolute set of hardware they control
[07:39] <Crane> irbdavid,  when you look for help in linux be sure to try searching http:??www.google.com/linux
[07:39] <froust> ati AIW 9700 pro
[07:39] <tritium> froust, the directory listed is wrong
[07:39] <froust> same error with the new dir
[07:39] <Crane>  http://www.google.com/linux
[07:39] <HrdwrBoB> froust: how is it 'garbled'
[07:39] <froust> scrambled... like the top 7/8 of it is drawn incorrectly, and the bottom bit isn't
[07:39] <njan> pd, HrdwrBoB is right - also, there aren't as many permutations of an os9 install for osx to install on top of as there are of a setup on an x86 PC, so it's an easier installation to write
[07:40] <tritium> froust, my xorg.conf.md5sum is in /var/lib/xfree86
[07:40] <froust> i will try that
[07:40] <santagada> jdub, nice, but you think that maybe it is better to present a full working system, so while you are installing you can open xchat and firefox and troubleshot any problem, or talk to a nephew who knows more about computers :)
[07:40] <tritium> Why that's the case, I have no idea.
[07:40] <Stevedave> hello, after installation when i restart it boots pretty normally then when it should go to a login screen it just goes black. I assumed it was a problem with the default x server hitting ctrl+alt+f1 etc seems to have no effect and it just appears to be frozen, does anyone know a fix for this problem. PLZ
[07:40] <gustav_> varla: look at computer:desktop preferences:prefered programs
[07:40] <froust> now i get permission denied
[07:40] <njan> santagada, have you tried the mepis installer?
[07:40] <jdub> santagada: yes, it will also work in a livecd system.
[07:40] <froust> (with sudo)
[07:40] <pd> HrdwrBoB & njan , i am not complaining about the install, i think its one of the easier installs
[07:40] <santagada> njan, never
[07:41] <njan> santagada, they have exactly that, mepis installs off the livecd
[07:41] <hams> stevedave, nvidia hardware?
[07:41] <santagada> knoppix does it also
[07:41] <varla> gustav: thanks I will
[07:41] <tritium> daniels, any idea about why xorg.conf.md5sum is in /var/lib/xfree86?
[07:41] <HrdwrBoB> Stevedave: is the machine on a network and can you shell to the machine after that
[07:41] <HrdwrBoB> ah crap, the sun is coming up
[07:41] <santagada> and then people write articles saying it is the easiest route to a debian system
[07:41] <tritium> daniels, that's inconsistent with the instructions at the top of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:41] <Stevedave> tried the nvidia drivers to no effect
[07:41] <Cred> proudhon, naah. I already have like 5 IRC servers and around 15 channels..
[07:42] <santagada> but if jdub says it will work on the live cd, i am sold
[07:42] <froust> how can i have permission denied using sudo?
[07:42] <proudhon> HrdwrBoB ist getting dark here :) cool
[07:42] <Stevedave> though i couldnt apt-get the nvidia-settings pakage for some reason
[07:42] <hams> stevedave, i think you need to add some stuff in the xorg.conf
[07:42] <Crane> froust, it happens
[07:42] <hams> Option RenderAccel "false"
[07:43] <hams> Option SWCursor "true"
[07:43] <HrdwrBoB> froust: how are you using sudo
[07:43] <froust> Fair enough... Anyone have an idea how I can create a new xorg.conf not using the instructions on the top of xorg.conf?
[07:43] <pd> let me show you my screen shots ;)
[07:43] <HrdwrBoB> sudo foo > bar will not work because > is run as your user
[07:43] <Crane> Stevedave, I believe you have to uncomment the restricted repositories for the nvidia driver
[07:43] <Stevedave> HrdwrBoB: yes, though i didnt try, though i can boot into non gui safe mode without problems
[07:43] <froust> sudo md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.confg >/var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum
[07:43] <peregil> hi, I'm having some problems with firestarter and internet conection sharing
[07:44] <HrdwrBoB> foo| sudo tee -a bar
[07:44] <HrdwrBoB> that will work
[07:44] <Stevedave> Crane: I uncommented the repos and added several more from ubuntu and no luck
[07:44] <Olivier_54> lo
[07:45] <Stevedave> got the nvidia-glx or whathaveyou just fine, but the settings package was no where to be found at the same time
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> so md5sum /etc/X11/xorf.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum
[07:45] <tiago> hi there, fo which is the name of gnome window manager package? apt-cache show me a lot of package
[07:45] <HrdwrBoB> tiago: metacity
[07:45] <tritium> looks like the instructions in /etc/X11/xorg.conf need to be changed!
[07:45] <froust> i'll give i ta shot
[07:45] <keknehv> What command do you use with apt-get to download, but not install, a package?
[07:46] <santagada> as we are talking about nvidia driver problems, does anyone knows why half of the time I open a movie on totem it doesn't display anything, then I move the window and it does?
[07:46] <froust> yay!
[07:46] <Crane> Stevedave, did you do the "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable command?
[07:46] <tiago> HrdwrBoB, metacity, :), strange
[07:46] <Stevedave> ya
[07:46] <Crane> hmmmm
[07:46] <Stevedave> and then tried to startx no luck
[07:46] <tritium> froust, that worked?
[07:46] <GdCondor> hi
[07:46] <tiago> HrdwrBoB, thx!
[07:46] <santagada> keknehv apt-get install <pack> -d or -f I think
[07:47] <santagada> -f is for gentoo emerge
[07:47] <HrdwrBoB> no problem
[07:47] <Crane> Stevedave, also did you check your xorg config to make sure your driver was changes to nvidia?
[07:47] <njan> santagada, there's a -f flag for apt-get too
[07:47] <njan> santagada, it's the fix broken flag
[07:47] <GdCondor> i've a pb with hotplug : during the boot it hangs up at "starting hotplug subsystem" if i try a SysRq-E and then "ps -ax |grep "hotplug"" i can see that VC jobs are stuck and not finished (/bin/sh /sbin/hotplug vc)
[07:47] <Stevedave> i have warty atm, still downloading hoary, so no xorg sadly
[07:47] <santagada> njan, but -d is the one that only downloads
[07:47] <njan> santagada, I can't remember, if there is a gentoo -f flag, what it does :p
[07:48] <tritium> froust, if that worked, maybe you should file a bug against xserver-xorg
[07:48] <njan> santagada, yeah, wasn't reading what you were saying, I was just being a parrot ;)
[07:48] <santagada> emerge <pack> -f (fetch only) :)
[07:48] <njan> santagada, meaning I slightly misinterpreted what you were saying - sorry :p
[07:48] <froust> It worked, I set up everything (fglrx for driver)
[07:48] <froust> But I'm still stuck in 640x480
[07:48] <Crane> Stevedave, oh then check the xf96config-4
[07:48] <froust> any idea how to fix it?
[07:48] <Crane> oops I ment 86
[07:48] <Crane> :)
[07:49] <huhmz> Anyone have a torrent for hoary array-3? I've only found the i386 on two mirrors and both are dead slow :/
[07:50] <Stevedave> crave: so i need to set the nvidia driver in the xf86config-4?
[07:50] <Stevedave> well, ill give it a shot
[07:50] <tritium> Stevedave, yes, find "nv" and change it to "nvidia"
[07:50] <zen_> huhmz: tell me if you find one
[07:50] <Stevedave> k
[07:50] <huhmz> zen_: will do but it doesnt look good...
[07:50] <jason123> I am running fedora core 3 but I need help (it is a general question) but I am banned from #fedora (and have no idea why) could somebody please help?
[07:51] <Crane> Stevedave, if you have installed the nvidia griver "apt-get install nvidia-glx" then yes NV should be changed to nvidia
[07:51] <zen_> i was getting 20 KB/s from mirrorservice.org but it just stopped...
[07:51] <huhmz> ooo found a third mirror *holding thumbs*
[07:51] <froust> trit: yeah, but now i have only 640x480
[07:51] <tritium> froust - what you discovered should be filed in a bug against xserver-xorg
[07:51] <huhmz> zen_: i got like 50 =/
[07:51] <Crane> jason123, Just wondering have you tried #linux
[07:51] <santagada> jason123, if we can, what is your problem?
[07:51] <jason123> I can't log in as any user on my system since I recently rebooted other then the root account in either GDM or CLI
[07:51] <jason123> ?
[07:52] <froust> trit: how do i do that?
[07:52] <jason123> I tried creating a new user account too
[07:52] <huhmz> zen_: i got the first ~100 megs from cdimage.ubuntulinux.org in like 2 minutes then it started crawling at like 2k/sec
[07:52] <santagada> jason, big problem
[07:52] <njan> jason123, what's stopping you logging on as root?
[07:52] <zen_> huhmz: same
[07:52] <jason123> nothing I can log in as root
[07:52] <jason123> but no other user
[07:52] <tritium> jason123, you can log in as root?
[07:52] <jason123> yes
[07:53] <santagada> can you su to other users after loggin as root?
[07:53] <jason123> i am using root right now
[07:53] <Crane> jason123, you just can't log in as user
[07:53] <tritium> change the user passwords, then
[07:53] <njan> jason123, create a new user as root?
[07:53] <huhmz> zen_: just found ftp://ftp.is.co.za/linux/distributions/ubuntu/cdimage/releases/hoary/array-3/hoary-install-i386.iso  but their stupid ftp is slow to respond
[07:53] <jason123> I tried that
[07:53] <jason123> njam
[07:53] <njan> jason123, what broke when you tried that?
[07:53] <tritium> jason123, did you try "passwd <username>"?
[07:53] <tritium> to change the user passwords?
[07:53] <huhmz> zen_: dont bother, 2kb/sec there too
[07:54] <jason123> nothing but when I try to login it gives me an error but it is too quick to read
[07:54] <jason123> in CLI
[07:54] <froust> tritium: how do i file a bug report?
[07:54] <froust> and how can i get my resolution back to where it's supposed to be?
[07:54] <njan> jason123, well.. without the error, it'll be a little hard to troubleshoot.. ;)
[07:54] <tritium> froust, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:54] <froust> thank you
[07:54] <Crane> jason123, check your log file to find the error
[07:54] <tritium> froust, thank you for doing that
[07:54] <jason123> I can su into my account
[07:54] <zen_> huhmz: i'm getting ~11 KB/s so i guess it's better than nothing
[07:54] <jason123> as root
[07:55] <njan> jason123, you might try looking in /var/log to see if it's there
[07:55] <jason123> oddly enough
[07:55] <santagada> take a look at /var/log/messages, maybe the login error is reported there
[07:55] <tritium> froust, is your xorg.conf newly configured?
[07:55] <zen_> meh, transfer error.. :/
[07:55] <pd> http://67.140.232.8/~paul/ubuntu-paul.png
[07:55] <njan> jason123, I'd probably also be looking at /etc/passwd to make sure all the users had shells setup and everything looked ok, too
[07:55] <huhmz> zen_: you know what would be cool? an ftp client that could download from multiple sources
[07:56] <GdCondor> i've a pb with hotplug : during the boot it hangs up at "starting hotplug subsystem" if i try a SysRq-E and then "ps -ax |grep "hotplug"" i can see that VC jobs are stuck and not finished (/bin/sh /sbin/hotplug vc)
[07:56] <froust> trit: yup, with the fglrx selected
[07:56] <njan> jason123, and then checking their home directories to ensure that they were there (although that wouldn't stop them logging in) and that all of the configuration files which get parsed when you login are ok (.login, .bashrc, etc) - and that /etc/profile isn't broken (because it gets parsed on CLI logon as well) for text-mode users
[07:56] <maximaus> huhmz, try a tabbed gnome terminal with wget. :P
[07:56] <pd> prelinking really rocks :)
[07:56] <santagada> huhmz, this already exists, pdtp or something
[07:56] <pd> should be enabled by default
[07:56] <tritium> froust, maybe you need to look at the "Modes" line and add more resolutions
[07:57] <santagada> huhmz, sorry, prozilla I think does that
[07:57] <Crane> jason123, Just wondering, did you install or work on anything before you rebooted?
[07:57] <huhmz> ill check it out
[07:57] <jason123> dcgui_qt
[07:57] <huhmz> maximaus: i meant like a segmented download
[07:57] <jason123> and I removed it just now via apt
[07:58] <froust> tritium: they're all there. i added them in the setup, and they're listed in the xorg.conf
[07:58] <maximaus> huhmz, what's a segmented download??
[07:58] <santagada> huhmz, have you tried prozilla
[07:58] <jason123> I also deleted the ~/.dc folders
[07:58] <huhmz> santagada: apt-getting it now
[07:58] <varla>  how do I make thunderbird my default email in firefox
[07:58] <huhmz> maximaus: download same file from multiple sources
[07:59] <maximaus> Ohmer, yeah prozilla's the one you want as mentioned.
[07:59] <Nafallo> anyone tried to set up warty-vservers with newvserver and had success?
[07:59] <santagada> huhmz, you will not be sorry, i used it a lot in gentoo and to download iso images before bittorrent
[08:01] <froust> tritium: bug report filed.
[08:02] <huhmz> santagada: ooo 200-300 now
[08:02] <TheGuild> 25371rt
[08:02] <huhmz> but it doesnt seem to honor the -k option
[08:02] <huhmz> still only uses 4 connections
[08:02] <zen_> huhmz: cdimage.ubuntu.com seems a bit faster now, ~35 KB/s
[08:03] <huhmz> im using mirrorservice
[08:03] <Crane> does anyone know where the printer config file is located?
[08:03] <Crane> I looked in /etc but cant find it
[08:03] <huhmz> ahh you have to use -k=n not -k n
[08:04] <huhmz> santagada: does the client support resume? cant find it in the man page
[08:04] <Crane> whao
[08:04] <proudhon> omg
[08:04] <Crane> you see that
[08:04] <proudhon> net split or something lol
[08:04] <Crane> :0
[08:05] <proudhon> rofl
[08:05] <Crane> LMAO theirrr baaacckk
[08:09] <Cinder> hey all
[08:10] <froust> Can anyone help me out with he ati driver intall?
[08:17] <Tuxicity> hey people
[08:17] <jdrowell> has anyone tried installing ubuntu using netboot? it seems the IDE modules weren't included :(
[08:18] <Tuxicity> What's a reasonable power supply for average PC? 350Watts? 420? 450W?
[08:19] <HrdwrBoB> 350W is more than enough for an 'average' PC
[08:19] <froust> tuxi: it depends... 350-450 should be sufficient
[08:19] <froust> and it will leave room for lots of expansion
[08:19] <klaym> 350W is more than enough for any Linux computer
[08:19] <klaym> ;)
[08:19] <HrdwrBoB> klaym: the OS has little effect on that.
[08:19] <Tuxicity> Like for an AMD sempron 2400+ 512 MB RAM..
[08:20] <sri> has anybody gotten fglrx driver working properly?
[08:20] <froust> sri: yes and no... they're installed, but I can't get any resolution other than 640x480
[08:20] <Tuxicity> I guess ill get 420-450 since power supplys are cheap
[08:20] <sri> froust: hmm..  I have the full thing..but glxinfo tells me it's not really using my ati drdivers..
[08:20] <HrdwrBoB> sri: composite and glx are mutually exclusive
[08:21] <sri> very starnge.
[08:21] <sri> HrdwrBoB: well, in nvidia, you have turn off composite for glx to work
[08:21] <froust> glxinfo says i am, bt my resolution is hooped
[08:21] <sri> what doeso your glxinfo say?
[08:21] <Tuxicity> HrdwrBoB, AMD Semprons processors need Socket A, right?
[08:22] <sri> hold on, I"m going to try getting rid of htis X session..I have one session running the old drivers, and another running the new.
[08:23] <froust> does anyone feel like helping me out with my resolution problem?
[08:23] <HrdwrBoB> Tuxicity: this is somewhat offtopic, but yes some do
[08:24] <sri> strange.
[08:25] <sri> my glxinfo still claims I'm using mesa.. :/
[08:25] <Tuxicity> HrdwrBoB, sory for being off-topic but it's my 1st PC I build myself and who can answer me if not the Hardware Bob? :)
[08:26] <sri> froust: do you have a kernel fglrx module?
[08:27] <sri> yep..looks like there needs to be a fglrx module
[08:27] <sri> damn cat..
[08:28] <froust> sri: what's that?
[08:28] <sri> froust: it's the interface between yoru graphics card and your operating system
[08:28] <sri> looks like that is what I was missing.
[08:29] <froust> it's just not getting all the resolutions
[08:29] <froust> it is installedetc... how do i get the kernel module?
[08:30] <Nafallo> froust: linux-restricted-modules for your kernel.
[08:30] <froust> how do i know if i have it or not?
[08:30] <randabis-laptop> check?
[08:31] <randabis-laptop> synaptic will tell ya
[08:32] <froust> i have them
[08:32] <racoontje> hey
[08:32] <racoontje> is it ok to use debian sources in ubuntu as well?
[08:32] <randabis-laptop> yes and no
[08:33] <racoontje> you see, ubuntu is a bit too spoonfed to me... but using ubuntu packages in debian breaks a lot because debian has archaic packages :-|
[08:33] <giard> anyone know if hoary will have a good set of nice wallpapers when it's released?
[08:33] <Nafallo> racoontje: you don't HAVE to install ubuntu-meta packages...
[08:34] <racoontje> Nafallo: you do if you want xorg...
[08:34] <racoontje> Nafallo: oh wait
[08:34] <Tuxicity> giard, i saw an Ubuntu art project on website..
[08:34] <froust> so assuming i have the drivers and restricted modules installed, anyone know why i can't get any resolution above 640x480?
[08:34] <sri> yep
[08:34] <randabis-laptop> it will have some wallpapers...probably the same ones it already has
[08:34] <sri> as I surmised
[08:34] <Nafallo> racoontje: nope. you just install xorg. you don't have to install ubuntu-desktop ;-)
[08:34] <sri> composite was the culprit
[08:34] <swim> hay folks Ive got hoary array2 installed, do I need to install array3 from scratch or will just dist-upgrading be enough?
[08:34] <racoontje> Nafallo: you were talking about how ubuntu can be consoleish?
[08:34] <sri> composite extension disables direct rendering.
[08:34] <randabis-laptop> froust your x config most likely
[08:35] <racoontje> Nafallo: can it? really? great!
[08:35] <snowblink> backports & hoary upgrade, by jdong: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=53749#post53749
[08:35] <Nafallo> racoontje: nope, how you don't need it to be "spoonfeed" ;-)
[08:35] <racoontje> Nafallo: if so, how about the package richness of the apt tree?
[08:35] <froust> rand: all modes are listed there
[08:35] <randabis-laptop> probably don't have the refresh rates set
[08:35] <racoontje> Nafallo: I use a lot of the science/math stuff
[08:35] <lionelh> hello ! :-)
[08:36] <swim> anyone? hay folks Ive got hoary array2 installed, do I need to install array3 from scratch or will just dist-upgrading be enough?
[08:36] <Nafallo> racoontje: hoary tracks debian sid, so it shouldn't mather :-).
[08:36] <racoontje> ok, so maybe I'll try ubuntu :-) where can I see the pkg'es?
[08:36] <randabis-laptop> froust are the horizontal and vertical refresh rates set?
[08:36] <racoontje> Nafallo: has anyone told you guys you may want to find a new name? Hoary sounds wrong ;-)
[08:36] <lionelh>  i'm trying to install ubuntu i386 on a P4-B266 P4 1,7Gz with a scsi cd drive... and i have some problems after having created my accounts... someone to help me ? :-)
[08:36] <froust> i set them with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:36] <Nafallo> racoontje: hoary+1 is bendy :-P.
[08:36] <swim> its hard to get an answer from this channel
[08:37] <Nafallo> racoontje: what's sounds most wrong? ;-)
[08:37] <nictuku> when I use fluxbox, I can't copy a text from xterm and paste into firefox. But the opposite is possible. What should I do?
[08:37] <randabis-laptop> froust okay, but I think it is still a bit buggy and doesn't actually set them. Check the monitor section of xorg.conf
[08:37] <racoontje> Nafallo: how big is the apt repo of ubuntu compared to debian?
[08:37] <sri> froust: when you installed ubuntu you should have been able to get the right resolution
[08:38] <randabis-laptop> swim an apt-get upgrade should update you to the current hoary
[08:38] <swim> randabis-laptop, thanks so much ;)
[08:38] <froust> rand: it just has two fields, name: and option
[08:38] <Nafallo> racoontje: dunno really. you ask what packages from debian isn't in ubuntu for a specific arch?
[08:38] <randabis-laptop> do apt-get update first though swim
[08:39] <randabis-laptop> froust yeah, your Horiz and Verts aren't set and that's why you're getting 640x480
[08:39] <swim> randabis-laptop, yah Im familiar with it thanks
[08:39] <randabis-laptop> that bug was supposed to have been fixed though?
[08:40] <sri> froust: you might consider sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:40] <randabis-laptop> he's done that already
[08:40] <racoontje> is it possible to install ubuntu with the grey openbox & grey unthemed xdm I've grown to love? ;-)
[08:40] <randabis-laptop> sure, do a custom install
[08:41] <tritium_> randabis, another "bug" with xserver-xorg are the instructions on how to reconfigure a custom-edited config file
[08:41] <racoontje> ok thx
[08:41] <Nafallo> racoontje: I haven't tried, but in theory; yes.
[08:41] <froust> should i try reconfiguring with dpkg-reconfigure and manually setting my h and v in there?
[08:42] <randabis-laptop> yes you should be able to just add it into your current config actually
[08:42] <tritium_> froust, probably just add
[08:43] <froust> okay... what is the syntax for it?
[08:44] <froust> i'm going to dkpg it ... less to screw up
[08:45] <randabis-laptop> froust my looks like this
[08:45] <randabis-laptop> HorizSync       30-95
[08:45] <randabis-laptop>         VertRefresh     50-180
[08:45] <tritium_> froust, you can "man xorg.conf" for detaisl on the syntax
[08:45] <tritium_> details
[08:47] <Nap> hello
[08:48] <Nap> which ackage do I need to use automake ?
[08:48] <Nap> there is automake 1.4 1.6 1.7 1.8 1.9
[08:48] <Nap> don't know the one I need
[08:48] <krischan> good evening, does any of you have experience with playing back MIDI files? I am trying to play MIDIs with playmidi, but I am getting the error message: 'open /dev/sequencer: No such device'. Any suggestions?
[08:50] <randabis-laptop> Nap It depends on what you're trying to compile I believe. Most things should work with 1.9 unless the maintainer hasn't setup their configure script to work with it
[08:50] <tritium_> froust, looks like this is the bug you're experiencing: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5740
[08:50] <Nap> ok
[08:50] <Nap> thank you randabis
[08:50] <nestle-iced-tea> How do I set the sudo password? Its not my root password
[08:50] <randabis-laptop> it's your user password
[08:51] <larsrohdin> how to config the network? is there anything like the guide in win xp?
[08:51] <tritium_> froust, no need to file the bug.  It's already filed as bug #5748
[08:51] <fc_> how can I get mplayer on ubuntu?
[08:52] <froust> okay... that broke everything
[08:52] <froust> adding my own refresh
[08:52] <tritium_> fc_, see the topic for the ubuntuguide
[08:53] <froust> how can i go about making a new one from scratch?
[08:54] <randabis-laptop> maybe your values were just wrong
[08:54] <froust> i got them right off my monitor specs.
[08:56] <froust> so would backing up my xorg, deleting xorg.conf and then dpkg-reconfigure a new one work?
[08:56] <tritium_> froust, not if you manually edited it
[08:56] <froust> bugger.
[08:56] <tritium_> you'll have to do run md5sum first, I believe
[08:56] <froust> so i have to do that md5sum, then dpkg
[08:56] <froust> okay... i'l ltry taht and see if it works
[08:57] <tritium_> yeah, and did you see that a bug was already filed?
[08:57] <klaym> is there some system for managing desktop themes for ubuntu?
[08:57] <froust> i did not. url?
[08:57] <randabis-laptop> klaym it's in the computer menu...there's a builtin theme manager
[08:57] <tritium_> froust, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5748
[08:57] <tritium_> froust, and the bug you're experiencing is #5740
[08:58] <klaym> ok. I don't have ubuntu yet, just checking
[08:58] <randabis-laptop> hope you enjoy it when you decide to give it a spin
[08:58] <froust> 5748 = me
[08:59] <klaym> I'm about to move to ubuntu from Suse
[08:59] <klaym> because of the crappy RPM package system
[08:59] <froust> oh bugger. my bad.
[09:00] <fc_> tritium_, i can only find mplayer-custom, and the wikipage says: (from marillat - do not use mplayer-custom in Warty's multiverse)
[09:00] <froust> so i'm pretty much hooped?
[09:00] <fc_> i added multiverse to sources.list
[09:00] <randabis-laptop> klaym well you should love our package system
[09:01] <tritium_> fc_, do you have multiverse ?
[09:01] <randabis-laptop> fc marillat changed the dependencies for the mplayer packages so they aren't going to work for you anyway
[09:01] <fc_>  [fc_]  i added multiverse to sources.list
[09:01] <randabis-laptop> crimsun has made a backport of mplayer though
[09:01] <fc_> oh
[09:01] <fc_> where can I get it
[09:02] <randabis-laptop> I don't know the url unfortunately
[09:02] <randabis-laptop> probably should ask him
[09:02] <tritium_> froust, oh, did you file 5748?
[09:02] <froust> yes.
[09:03] <randabis-laptop> oops...
[09:03] <randabis-laptop> haha
[09:03] <tritium_> Oh, cool.  Thanks.  So your'e using amd64?
[09:03] <froust> yeah
[09:03] <randabis-laptop> ooh
[09:03] <poningru> how do you input a page in the laptop-linux webpage?
[09:04] <froust> well... seeing as how the driver + my computer != fun, how can i remove it?
[09:04] <turkuaz> Hi everyone, everytime i restart Ubuntu (running Hoarry array 3) sound muted, how can i chage this
[09:05] <randabis-laptop> should be able to apt-get remove fglrx-driver-xorg
[09:05] <froust> and hopefully everything will return to normal...
[09:05] <randabis-laptop> then edit your xorg.conf to use ati or radeon instead
[09:07] <Cred> Hello again. Now for some reason Ubuntu cannot start eth0 at boot, I have to do it manually. How could I fix this?
[09:09] <nictuku> check /etc/network/interfaces
[09:09] <Cred> For..?
[09:09] <Cred> The eht0 is there, listed.
[09:09] <Cred> If that's what you meant
[09:10] <froust> rand: now my display is garbled again
[09:10] <randabis-laptop> did you remove those h and v refresh lines?
[09:11] <froust> i did a complete reconfigure
[09:11] <froust> they're gone
[09:11] <randabis-laptop> i dunno, more than likely it's something in your configuration
[09:11] <froust> hrm.
[09:12] <ogra> froust: if you ever edited you xorg.conf by hand reconfigure doesnt write the changes anymore....
[09:12] <froust> i did an md5sum
[09:12] <ogra> ah, good
[09:12] <ogra> would have been my next senctence ;)
[09:12] <froust> so my desktop is back, and at the right resolution, with no fglrx drivers, but it's all messy
[09:12] <froust> like parts aren't drawn correctly.
[09:13] <randabis-laptop> which driver?
[09:13] <froust> right now? ati
[09:13] <mxpxpod> how come I'm getting this on apt-get update:
[09:13] <froust> i was trying to get the fglrx one working
[09:13] <mxpxpod> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[09:13] <randabis-laptop> yeah I know
[09:13] <randabis-laptop> maybe try the radeon one
[09:13] <spiral> hmmm... is there a problem with archive.ubuntu ?
[09:13] <froust> ati was the one that used to work... i'll try again
[09:13] <spiral> I tried to dist-upgrade....
[09:13] <spiral> but it can't get any files
[09:14] <froust> radeon isn't an option
[09:14] <ogra> mxpxpod: wait a minute or two, its probably just regenerated on the server
[09:14] <randabis-laptop> archive.ubuntu.com is working fine
[09:14] <froust> in that list of dkpg-reconfigure
[09:14] <mxpxpod> ogra: thanks
[09:14] <randabis-laptop> froust probably have to add it yourself
[09:14] <froust> i'll try
[09:17] <froust> no luck there. all garbled again.
[09:17] <froust> wnet back to the ati driver, now i'm stuck at low res :P
[09:17] <froust> should you be able to change your display resolution while running x?
[09:17] <froust> cause i try and it gives me a weird error
[09:18] <randabis-laptop> I can change my resolutions while x is running
[09:18] <froust> *get the error*
[09:18] <froust> it says
[09:19] <racoontje> OK
[09:19] <racoontje> I have to say, I agree
[09:19] <racoontje> ubuntu > debian any day of the week
[09:19] <randabis-laptop> hehe
[09:19] <froust> the xserver does not suppport the XRandR extension. Runtime resolution changes are not available.
[09:20] <randabis-laptop> hmm...
[09:20] <randabis-laptop> I'm not x h4x0r...dunno man
[09:20] <froust> bugger.
[09:20] <froust> so i'm stuck with either garbled display in right resolution, or normal display in low resolution
[09:21] <zenji> Anyone have any idea why Synaptic package manager will not display any packages. All repositories are selected and the info bar says 12910 available
[09:21] <spiral> "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kdewebdev/kdewebdev_3.3.2-1ubuntu1_all.deb  404 Not Found" and lots of messages like that
[09:21] <froust> zenji: did you try a reload?
[09:21] <LucidVisions> Could the ppc version of ubuntu be ran on the mac-mini? I think that would be a worthwhile combination indeed.
[09:21] <zenji> yes. but still no dice
[09:21] <ogra> LucidVisions: why shouldnt it ?
[09:21] <IceMan3301> I wouldn't see why there would be a problem running on a Mac Mini
[09:22] <IceMan3301> It uses the same hardware as the rest of the MACs, and I haven't had problems with Ubuntu on various versions of powerbooks
[09:23] <LucidVisions> cool
[09:23] <nestle-iced-tea> What program do I need to browse and mount windows shares on my network?
[09:23] <IceMan3301> Ubuntu has been the most problem-free version of Linux on PPC for me
[09:23] <randabis-laptop> zenji did you click sections?
[09:23] <IceMan3301> Even more so then YDL 4
[09:23] <randabis-laptop> nestle samba
[09:23] <ironwolf> froust: daniels may have an idea how to help, but he's not here just now.
[09:23] <randabis-laptop> xsmbrowser might be good to have too
[09:24] <LucidVisions> IceMan3301: thats good news,so then im probably going to want this incredable stabiliy
[09:24] <zenji> yes. i'll tell me how many available but in the right hand pane nothing shows up
[09:24] <nestle-iced-tea> randabis thanks
[09:24] <froust> rand: thans
[09:24] <LucidVisions> cool guys
[09:24] <LucidVisions> so im going to get one,and throw it on the mini.I love ubuntu on this p4 i have now,
[09:24] <LucidVisions> but the mini is so small
[09:25] <mxpxpod> ogra: ok, and what happens if I wait for a while and it still is doing that....
[09:25] <randabis-laptop> the size of the mini is one of its best selling points...
[09:25] <LucidVisions> yep,and that its so slient,plus its a g4
[09:25] <ogra> mxpxpod: hmm, good question.....
[09:26] <randabis-laptop> it'd make a fine htpc with a few upgrades
[09:26] <will_cat> hi
[09:26] <LucidVisions> and radeon 9200 is supported with xorg
[09:26] <froust> rand: i just had a thought
[09:26] <will_cat> anyone to talk about how to see .wmv in ubuntu?
[09:26] <LucidVisions> hory+radeon drivers
[09:26] <randabis-laptop> yeah?
[09:26] <froust> when i ran fglrxinfo, it said i had a 9500
[09:26] <froust> i have a 9700... could that be it?
[09:27] <randabis-laptop> hmm...that could be something to do with it
[09:27] <IceMan3301> I had tried Yellow Dog Linux  and Fedora for PPC and sound would not work on any
[09:27] <randabis-laptop> I'm really not sure...nvidia guy :p
[09:27] <froust> ahh
[09:27] <IceMan3301> I installed Ubuntu and sound works great
[09:27] <IceMan3301> right out of the box
[09:27] <will_cat> yeah
[09:27] <will_cat> the sounds goes great
[09:27] <will_cat> but i want to see wmv
[09:27] <will_cat> and i can't
[09:28] <HillTop> Screen resolution, ubuntu LiveCD doesn't give my 1280x1024. I know about fb1280x1024, vga=795, xres=1280x1024, screen=1280x1024, etc. What cheat codes should work here on my nVidia gForce4 and ViewSonic? Thanks
[09:28] <randabis-laptop> I just know that I had the stuck at 640 problem too on my laptop, but I fixed it by adding the H and V refresh rates
[09:28] <randabis-laptop> it's an OLD smi chipset though
[09:28] <LucidVisions> will_cat: you can just download the codecs from mplayers web site.and use them with totem
[09:29] <will_cat> yeah
[09:29] <LucidVisions> the default player
[09:29] <will_cat> i try
[09:29] <will_cat> ok
[09:29] <LucidVisions> easy as pie
[09:29] <LucidVisions> hehe
[09:29] <will_cat> i try gxine and mplayer
[09:29] <will_cat> but mplayer doesn't work
[09:29] <LucidVisions> youll be ready to go
[09:29] <will_cat> i try to launch mplayer
[09:29] <randabis-laptop> the marillat repository also has w32codecs
[09:29] <LucidVisions> with that combo
[09:29] <ogra> mxpxpod: hmm, same error here
[09:29] <LucidVisions> true
[09:29] <will_cat> but i don't know how it closes
[09:30] <randabis-laptop> well i'll be back in a while
[09:31] <will_cat> another question
[09:31] <will_cat> i want to buy a wireless pcmcia card
[09:31] <will_cat> in ubuntu does it work well?
[09:31] <LucidVisions> will_cat: here is the linkage http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html
[09:31] <will_cat> thanks
[09:31] <LucidVisions> get the essential codec pack for linux
[09:32] <will_cat> can i also download it from apt ?
[09:32] <LucidVisions> either way is good
[09:32] <will_cat> i saw some kind of link for apt
[09:32] <will_cat> ok
[09:32] <will_cat> i'll try
[09:32] <LucidVisions> w32codec is grat also
[09:33] <LucidVisions> but some people do the same task 5 diffrent ways,and that is the beauty of linux i think
[09:33] <LucidVisions> hehe
[09:35] <LucidVisions> each way has there strong points,so its always remaning strong
[09:36] <LucidVisions> or somthing,,cough,,cough,hehe
[09:36] <LucidVisions> anyone using a matroxG550 in here?
[09:36] <LucidVisions> dual head mode
[09:40] <Ex-Cyber> what packages should be installed for compiling GLX programs?
[09:40] <Cinder> Could anyone give me some help?
[09:40] <LucidVisions> I have managed to get duel head mode with composite extentions working fast
[09:40] <Ex-Cyber> Cinder: not without some information on what you need help with :)
[09:41] <LucidVisions> a matroxG550,
[09:41] <Cinder> Well Ubuntu is working fine for me
[09:41] <LucidVisions> wow
[09:41] <Cinder> but at startup I get some errors
[09:41] <Cinder> just wanted to know how to fix them ?
[09:41] <Cinder> i have them copied*
[09:41] <LucidVisions> i cant beleive I am getting this sort of speed with this card
[09:42] <Cinder> Right after this "Uncompressing linux... OK, booting the kernel.
[09:42] <spiral> Riddell: woah...
[09:42] <spiral> Riddell: why do I get all this ?
[09:42] <LucidVisions> http://www.matrox.com/mga/products/mill_g550/home.cfm
[09:42] <Ex-Cyber> Cinder: if it's more than a few lines, paste it into #flood please
[09:42] <Cinder> I get, PCI: Address space collision on region 7 of bridge 0000:00:1f:0 [f800:f87f] 
[09:43] <Ex-Cyber> o_O
[09:43] <Cinder> and PCI: Address space collision on region 8 of bridge 0000:00:1f:0 [fa00:fa3f] 
[09:44] <Cinder> then... After starting Ubuntu  where it goes through msic things and says [Fail]  or ] OK]  I get this
[09:45] <Cinder> *ror : Temporary failure in name resolution [Fail] 
[09:45] <Riddell> spiral: well the kdewebdev and other packages have been made but the .debs havn't made it to the master so that's why they can't be installed
[09:45] <Riddell> spiral: hopefully it'll be investigated
[09:45] <spiral> Riddell: ok, thanks :-)
[09:46] <Managu> Cinder: what type of network card?
[09:46] <Cinder> it's Onboard
[09:46] <AndyR> anyone managed to get sound working in skype on hoary
[09:46] <Managu> Cinder: can
[09:46] <Cinder> hm ?
[09:46] <Cinder>  <-- Just began with Linux :D
[09:46] <Managu> Cinder: can't speak to the PCI collisions.  I have similar "error" messages, but they don't seem to be significant
[09:47] <Cinder> hm
[09:47] <Ex-Cyber> AndyR: have you already tried esddsp?
[09:47] <Cinder> well I get 2 others as well
[09:47] <Cinder> later on
[09:47] <AndyR> Ex-Cyber, yes
[09:47] <larsrohdin> if i use a dual boot system with win xp and ubuntu, can i use the network settings from windows in linux?
[09:47] <AndyR> command not found
[09:47] <oly> well i get that name resolution on all 3 ubuntu computer i dont think that anything to worry about either
[09:48] <Managu> Cinder: but the "Temporary failure in name resolution" is a tad bit more significant.  I bet it's right after some line talking about setting the time.
[09:48] <larsrohdin> does anyone know alot about networks and internet connections?
[09:48] <Cinder> it is right after that line
[09:48] <Cinder> :P
[09:48] <kbrooks> wtf is pthreads
[09:49] <Managu> Cinder: it's probably reported somewhere, but the hotplug system comes up after ntpdate comes up.  Which means that ntpdate can't successfully set your time from the network.
[09:49] <Managu> cinder: Again, nothing particularly fatal
[09:49] <kbrooks> + Checking for Pthreads lib..........no
[09:49] <Cinder> well currently its not a network ?
[09:49] <Cinder> so that does help ?
[09:49] <AndyR> Ex-Cyber, any other ideas?
[09:49] <larsrohdin> can someone help me?
[09:49] <Cinder> er so does that help *
[09:49] <Cinder> It's conected to the internet &/or another network right now
[09:50] <kbrooks> WHAT THE FRICKING FUCK IS PTHREADS AND WHERE CAN I GET IT
[09:50] <crimsun> kbrooks: libpth-dev
[09:50] <kbrooks> ok
[09:50] <Cinder> not connected * damnt
[09:50] <Managu> cinder: you mean, it's not on a network?  That would do it too, yup.  You can probably remove the package ntpdate in synaptic to get rid of that error
[09:50] <Cinder> Oo neato
[09:50] <Cinder> thanks
[09:50] <Cinder> but the 2 other errors im getting
[09:50] <Ex-Cyber> AndyR: you are having trouble receiving sound?
[09:50] <Cinder> specifically say they ARE fatal
[09:50] <crimsun> larsrohdin: what do you need?
[09:51] <Cinder> modprobe : FATAL : Error inserting pciehp (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-3-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko): Operation not permitted
[09:51] <crimsun> Cinder: they are fatal to modprobe because that hardware doesn't exist in your computer.
[09:51] <larsrohdin> i have a dual boot system with win xp and ubuntu... and when im in windows, i have o,5mbit/s when i test my internet connection... in ubuntu i have 23,5 kbit/s...
[09:51] <Cinder> Oo what hardware
[09:51] <kbrooks> hmmm
[09:52] <kbrooks> crimsun, same error.
[09:52] <Ex-Cyber> Cinder: I think a PCI express host is needed for pciehp
[09:52] <Cinder> oh
[09:52] <Cinder> lol
[09:52] <crimsun> Cinder: changes have been made to hotplug and modprobe to suppress those errors in Hoary. You won't see them.
[09:52] <kbrooks> hence the name
[09:52] <kbrooks> :P
[09:52] <Managu> larsrohdin: curious.  Know what the number is supposed to be?
[09:52] <larsrohdin> Managu, its supposed to be around 0,5mbit/s
[09:52] <kbrooks> crimsun?!?
[09:53] <Cinder> what do you mean "won't see them"
[09:53] <Cinder> I see them on start up ?
[09:53] <kbrooks> Cinder, in hoary
[09:53] <Managu> larsrohdin: and how are you testing?
[09:53] <kbrooks> the dev version
[09:53] <Cinder> hm
[09:53] <crimsun> kbrooks: what are you attempting to compile?
[09:53] <larsrohdin> on a swedish website... and i feel that its alot slower...
[09:53] <Cinder> I guess that solves all my problems, except for the fact that GIMP help files aren't workin g
[09:53] <Cinder> er, aren't installed *
[09:54] <larsrohdin> whats weird is that internet works, in both win and ubuntu... its just really really slow in ubuntu
[09:54] <kbrooks> crimsun, monkey web server
[09:54] <crimsun> larsrohdin: have you compared the MTU and MSS values? what does tcpdump tell you about the window sizes?
[09:54] <larsrohdin> ?
[09:55] <larsrohdin> how can i see that?
[09:55] <crimsun> larsrohdin: `ip a' or `ifconfig'
[09:55] <larsrohdin> ok, wait a sec
[09:55] <Tomcat_> larsrohdin: Windows router?
[09:56] <crimsun> kbrooks: I'm not familiar with it. Is that its name?
[09:56] <spiral> Riddell: fixed ?
[09:56] <anTiX> hi! how do I switch back to X11 from text-mode?? I tried ctrl+shift+F1 but nothing..
[09:56] <larsrohdin> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0B:6A:51:A0:95
[09:56] <larsrohdin>           inet addr:10.102.18.51  Bcast:10.102.255.255  Mask:255.255.0.0
[09:56] <larsrohdin>           inet6 addr: fe80::20b:6aff:fe51:a095/64 Scope:Link
[09:56] <larsrohdin>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[09:56] <larsrohdin>           RX packets:4657 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[09:56] <larsrohdin>           TX packets:3530 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[09:56] <Managu> antix: alt-f7
[09:56] <netdur> I installed gnome-core-devel, gnome-devel and libgnomeui* package, but gcc still can't find "gnome.h" header files!?
[09:56] <larsrohdin>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[09:56] <larsrohdin>           RX bytes:3793944 (3.6 MiB)  TX bytes:274511 (268.0 KiB)
[09:56] <larsrohdin>           Interrupt:193 Base address:0xc000
[09:56] <kbrooks> crimsun, yup.
[09:56] <larsrohdin> lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
[09:56] <larsrohdin>           inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
[09:56] <larsrohdin>           inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
[09:56] <larsrohdin>           UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
[09:56] <larsrohdin>           RX packets:126 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[09:56] <Riddell> spiral: dunno, can you install stuff yet?
[09:56] <kbrooks> larsrohdin, DON'T PASTE
[09:56] <larsrohdin>           TX packets:126 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[09:56] <kbrooks> larsrohdin, DON'T PASTE
[09:56] <kbrooks> larsrohdin, DON'T PASTE
[09:56] <larsrohdin>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
[09:56] <larsrohdin>           RX bytes:8714 (8.5 KiB)  TX bytes:8714 (8.5 KiB)
[09:56] <Managu> larsrohdin: #flood, please
[09:57] <anTiX> managu: thanks a lot! :)
[09:57] <larsrohdin> ok sorry... but i don't know what to look for
[09:57] <Managu> antix: np
[09:57] <AndyR> Ex-Cyber, yes no sound
[09:57] <spiral> Riddell: yeah... this works
[09:57] <occy> Tried to google, but does anyone here know about SHMConfig ?  I have a touch pad, and it keeps acting funny on me.  I either, a.) want to learn all the funky settings for this SHMConfig thing.... or b.) just turn it off.
[09:57] <ironwolf> occy: it works in hoary, it's broken in warty.  I had same problem
[09:58] <Riddell> spiral: cool, well, problem solved then :)
[09:58] <wezzer> will there be a alsaconf in hoary?
[09:58] <occy> so I can just turn that off in XF86Config and it'll just work like a normal touch pad then right?
[09:58] <spiral> Riddell: :-)
[09:58] <spiral> my least problem is smart batteries...
[09:58] <spiral> If I get this working...
[09:58] <occy> be back in a wee bit.
[09:58] <ironwolf> occy: yup... In hoary *which I'm running* you get all the happy functions and then some.
[09:59] <spiral> everything on my laptop should be nice
[09:59] <wezzer> I'm fed up to listen all music on my default sound card
[09:59] <wezzer> I have audigy too, but for some reason ubuntu thinks that AC97 is the default one
[09:59] <wezzer> AC97 = I mean a soundcard integrated to my motherboard
[10:00] <piratePenguin> umm.. I cant play mp3's
[10:00] <AndyR> piratePenguin, install lame then
[10:00] <ironwolf> Anyone know how to add "cut lines" to the business card template in OOo for a 10-up printing?
[10:01] <AndyR> another brit :)
[10:01] <zen_> huhmz: any luck finding a decent mirror?
[10:01] <piratePenguin> AndyR: glame?
[10:01] <ironwolf> AndyR: how'd your upgrade to hoary go?
[10:02] <Cinder> hm
[10:02] <AndyR> ironwolf, it went well, running hoary now
[10:02] <ycco> hmmm, SHMConfig "off" didn't kill it.
[10:02] <Cinder> Anyone have any recommendations
[10:02] <crimsun> kbrooks: would you give me a url to it, please?
[10:02] <Cinder> I want to convert my entire .mp3 library
[10:02] <duzchip> Heya
[10:02] <AndyR> piratePenguin, no lame, you need to d/l source for it
[10:02] <Cinder> Im thinking .ogg ? ?
[10:02] <Calvin> hi all , does anyone know why i can download Hoary Array CD3 at the very fast speed of 10kb/sec ?? It started SOOO nice at 120kb/sec .. :( .. is there any mirrors closer or anyone sharing it ?? in the UK ?? PLZ
[10:02] <kbrooks> crimsun,
[10:02] <kbrooks> http://monkeyd.sourceforge.net
[10:02] <ironwolf> piratePenguin: apt-get install toolame
[10:03] <kbrooks> Calvin, pm me.
[10:03] <crimsun> wezzer: are you running warty or hoary?
[10:03] <ycco> ugh
[10:03] <Tomcat_> Calvin: Use Torrents if possible.
[10:03] <crimsun> larsrohdin: please do not dcc chat me, as my client blocks those.
[10:03] <piratePenguin> AndyR: alright, thanks
[10:03] <ycco> it's still doing the right click stuff and junk with the touch pad.
[10:03] <Calvin> Tomcat .. i;ve been looking for torrents on isohunt ..
[10:03] <larsrohdin> crimsun, ok... but what can be wrong?
[10:03] <ycco>    Option          "SHMConfig"             "off"
[10:04] <ycco>    Option          "SendCoreEvents"        "false"
[10:04] <ycco> What else do I need to turn off?
[10:04] <crimsun> larsrohdin: did you compare those values between your Windows and Linux sessions?
[10:04] <ycco> I just want it to work like a regular touch pad.
[10:04] <ganx> hey
[10:04] <larsrohdin> what values? i don't know what to look for in the ifconfig, thats why i pasted it...
[10:04] <ganx> i just installed this distribution
[10:04] <ironwolf> ycco: turning off SHMConfig worked for me... not sure what else to try.
[10:04] <nuOpus> ycco: what problems are you having with your touch pad?
[10:04] <ganx> have to say i like it so far
[10:04] <ganx> i have a question for you guys
[10:05] <ironwolf> ganx: welcome!
[10:05] <ganx> is there a way to change the max resolution output?
[10:05] <ycco> nuOpus: well, I don't like the right mouse click and middle click and stuff it really messes up when using a browser.
[10:05] <ganx> i know my card goes up to 1600 1200
[10:05] <ycco> ironwolf: :?
[10:05] <ycco> err
[10:05] <ycco> ironwolf:  :/
[10:05] <ycco> heh
[10:05] <nuOpus> ycco: What are they doing?
[10:05] <ironwolf> ycco: sorry...
[10:05] <nuOpus> ganx: are you using warty?
[10:05] <ycco> nuOpus: if you tap bottom right, it right clicks for you.
[10:05] <ganx> yes
[10:06] <ycco> oops.
[10:06] <ycco> heh
[10:06] <nuOpus> ganx go to the /etc/X11 directory and edit your XF86Config file
[10:06] <nuOpus> sudo /etc/X11/XF86Config
[10:06] <anTiXX> what is a good program for internet radio?
[10:06] <ironwolf> AndyR: toolame + grip = happy
[10:07] <nuOpus> go toward the bottom and you will see where the resolutions are set ... just add the resolutions you want. It reads those values when you use the gui to change resolution
[10:07] <nuOpus> anTiXX: I use rhythbox
[10:07] <nuOpus> rhythmbox
[10:07] <nuOpus> you just have to make sure you install the right gstreamer plugins
[10:07] <nuOpus> ycco: Is it a synaptics touchpad?
[10:08] <Hwolf> Can someone do me a very slight favor?
[10:08] <anTiXX> nuopus: ok I tried it but it froze the whole desktop trying to connect..
[10:08] <nuOpus> what do you need Hwolf?
[10:08] <nuOpus> anTiXX: You did not have the gstreamer plugin!
[10:08] <nuOpus> lol
[10:08] <ycco> nuOpus: yup, it's a synaptics
[10:08] <anTiXX> nuopus: ok I'll try and get it thanks :)
[10:08] <Cinder> What format does everyone use for audio ?
[10:08] <ganx> nu0pus
[10:09] <ganx> what part exactly am i editing?
[10:09] <ganx> i see the modes
[10:09] <ganx> but what should i write?
[10:09] <nuOpus> anTiXX:  sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[10:09] <Hwolf> nu0pus, give me the line in your /etc/fstab that lists your floppy-drive
[10:09] <nuOpus> anTiXX: if it does not work .. maybe cuz you are using warty ... gstreamer-plugins may work
[10:09] <tck> lo
[10:09] <ycco> Oh, stupid question... how do I change GDM's fonts?
[10:10] <nuOpus> Hwolf: /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[10:10] <ycco> or is it possible...
[10:10] <nuOpus> it is part of the theme ycco
[10:10] <Hwolf> nu0pus, thanks a lot.
[10:10] <crimsun> ycco: certainly. /etc/fonts/local.conf
[10:10] <nuOpus> but you can always go into the theme and edit it
[10:10] <ycco> crimsun: heyaz bud
[10:10] <crimsun> ycco: or use a different theme
[10:10] <crimsun> 'lo
[10:11] <nuOpus> ycco: yes! or use a different theme
[10:11] <nuOpus> ycco: for example, to edit the Human theme, just sudo /usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/Human.xml
[10:11] <ycco> nuOpus: heh, but jdub worked so hard on this one.
[10:11] <nuOpus> ycco: you will see the font information in there
[10:11] <wezzer> crimsun: warty
[10:12] <nuOpus> ycco: ya ... then just edit the xml
[10:12] <nuOpus> ycco: they should be in the /usr/share/gdm/themes directory
[10:12] <ganx> hey one more question
[10:12] <HillTop> Ubuntu LiveCD doesn't give me 1280x1024. I know about fb1280x1024, vga=795, xres=1280x1024, screen=1280x1024, etc. What cheat codes should work here on my nVidia gForce4 and ViewSonic monitor? Thanks.
[10:12] <crimsun> wezzer: and you wish to use your audigy/2 as the primary one? The simplest method is to tell the computer explicitly to load it first: echo snd-emu10k1|sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[10:12] <ycco> nuOpus: got yah,  Odd... They all use Bitstream Vera 12.  but it looks soooo much smaller than that.
[10:13] <ganx> what part of the xf86 config am i editing
[10:13] <ycco> I wander if there is a funky DPI setting some place.
[10:13] <ganx> to change the screen resolution?
[10:13] <wezzer> crimsun: so I just type that command to console?
[10:13] <crimsun> wezzer: yes
[10:13] <wezzer> done
[10:13] <ycco> nuOpus: so you have no clue how to turn off the "mouse actions" from the touch pad?
[10:13] <ycco> :/
[10:13] <ycco> me either.
[10:13] <nuOpus> ycco: oh ... sorry
[10:14] <nuOpus> ycco: one sec
[10:14] <wezzer> crimsun: do I have to restart or something like that?
[10:14] <ycco> nuOpus: yessir
[10:14] <ycco> crimsun: did my first Run today...
[10:14] <ycco> crimsun: first swim too.
[10:14] <ycco> since the Marathon last Saturday.
[10:14] <ycco> felt pretty good.  Just did a 3 miler and a 1/2 mile swim.
[10:15] <crimsun> ycco: excellent
[10:15] <crimsun> kbrooks: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[10:15] <ycco> crimsun: tx.  Feeling pretty good.
[10:15] <crimsun> kbrooks: pthreads.h is in the 'libc6-dev' package.
[10:15] <calamari> hi
[10:16] <crimsun> wezzer: you don't need to; it will take effect after you run it.
[10:16] <nuOpus> ycco: trying to find that site for you ... has all of the options for the synaptics module
[10:16] <crimsun> wezzer: err, after you reboot.
[10:16] <ycco> odd that the fonts would be so small, yet (GDM) yet the font size clearly states: Bitstream Vera Sans Bold 12.  (In the /usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/Human.xml file.
[10:16] <wezzer> okay
[10:16] <ycco> nuOpus: no hurry buddy.
[10:16] <wezzer> thanks for your help :)
[10:16] <crimsun> np
[10:16] <ycco> crimsun: would that be a DPI thing?
[10:17] <nuOpus> ycco: http://qsynaptics.sourceforge.net/ss.html
[10:17] <calamari> I installed winxp on another drive, but it still decided it needed to wipe out grub.  I have several recovery disks etc, so I can boot back to Ubuntu.. but I'm not sure how to tell grub to come back.
[10:17] <nuOpus> ycco: see if that program is what you need
[10:17] <ycco> nuOpus: k, let me lookie
[10:17] <kbrooks> crimsun, thx
[10:18] <ycco> nuOpus: oh wow... can I apt-get install that?
[10:18] <nuOpus> ycco: was a link from http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html#Introduction
[10:18] <nuOpus> maybe you can find more info there
[10:18] <nuOpus> ycco: would check ... my computer is running like butt right now
[10:19] <ycco> nuOpus: hehe
[10:19] <Cinder> Do the audio/CD Player in ubuntu play .mp4 format
[10:19] <nuOpus> ycco: yes you can it looks like
[10:19] <crimsun> Cinder: not with the current version of Music Player in Warty or Hoary
[10:19] <Cinder> :(
[10:19] <Cinder> OGG Vorbis ?
[10:20] <crimsun> it plays Ogg Vorbis just fine
[10:20] <Cinder> excellent :p
[10:20] <Cinder> thanks
[10:20] <nuOpus> ycco: or you can look on the telia site ... they do the synaptics touchpad driver that ubuntu uses. You may simply find options in there
[10:20] <nuOpus> Cinder: MP4 works through mplayer if you get the latest codec pack from 1-15-2004 from the mplayer web site
[10:20] <nuOpus> Cinder: Must get the all-codecs pack
[10:21] <Cinder> oh its ok i was j/w
[10:21] <nuOpus> Cinder: But I agree with crimsun ... ogg is the best!
[10:21] <pvh> Hello, can anyone advise me on how to migrate my NTFS partion to ext3?
[10:21] <ycco> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[10:21] <ycco> hmm
[10:21] <Cinder> Im converting my mp3 library to .ogg :P
[10:21] <ycco> heh
[10:21] <nuOpus> Cinder: Ya
[10:21] <Cinder> uh knowzers I have like 7-8gb of music to convert lol
[10:22] <nuOpus> Cinder: I did that a while ago ... most of the newer hardware mp3 players will play ogg anyway. kinda screwed if you are using an old rio though
[10:22] <ycco> nuOpus: what do I need for compiling this you think?
[10:22] <ycco> nuOpus: x-devel or something.
[10:22] <ycco> heh
[10:22] <nuOpus> x-dev
[10:22] <ycco> k
[10:22] <nuOpus> ycco: x-dev I think
[10:22] <duzchip> So, what's up?
[10:22] <duzchip> :D
[10:22] <Cinder> Any recommendatins for quality?
[10:22] <nuOpus> are the ubuntu repositories running slow for you guys today?
[10:23] <nestle-iced-tea> whats the major advantages of .ogg?
[10:23] <Cinder> 112 kbits ?
[10:23] <nuOpus> Cinder: For the CD's that I rip I ALWAYS use -q 5
[10:23] <Cinder> kbits/s *
[10:23] <Cinder> ah
[10:23] <Cinder> isnt that alot larger ?
[10:23] <Cinder> file size *
[10:23] <nuOpus> Cinder: yes ... but I play it on a NICE bose surround system
[10:23] <Cinder> oh lol
[10:23] <nuOpus> Cinder: And you can tell the difference
[10:24] <Cinder> oy ty
[10:24] <zen_> whats the idea to convert from a lossy format to another?
[10:24] <Ex-Cyber> nestle-iced-tea: good quality/bitrate ratio, no Fraunhofer/Thomson telling you how you are/aren't allowed to use it
[10:24] <nuOpus> Cinder: Generally though, ogg files at a lower bitrate sound just as good as an mp3 at a hight bitrate
[10:24] <piratePenguin> I installed lame and still cant play mp3's in totem :/
[10:24] <crimsun> zen_: convenience over quality, of course.
[10:24] <nestle-iced-tea> hrmm
[10:24] <duzchip> exit
[10:24] <nestle-iced-tea> Why convert my mp3 collection to ogg though?
[10:24] <nestle-iced-tea> That's what I wanna know
[10:25] <nuOpus> nestle-iced-tea: smaller file sizes
[10:25] <ycco> hmm
[10:25] <nestle-iced-tea> Yeah?
[10:25] <pvh> converting will degrade the quality of your mp3s.
[10:25] <nestle-iced-tea> Whats the conversion tool
[10:25] <nestle-iced-tea> for linux
[10:25] <Cinder> well of course
[10:25] <nestle-iced-tea> ohh
[10:25] <Cinder> converting from mp3 to anythng will
[10:25] <pvh> nestle-iced-tea: if you already have an mp3 collection of some size
[10:25] <Cinder> but im sure it will be very minor
[10:25] <nuOpus> nestle-iced-tea: smaller file sizes ... but only if you are encoding them to ogg from wav or cda or another lossless format
[10:25] <nuOpus> I still have mp3's
[10:25] <nuOpus> but all of the CD's I rip will always be ogg
[10:26] <pvh> nestle-iced-tea: i recommend you enable the "universe" option in synaptic
[10:26] <pvh> nestle-iced-tea: and then you'll be able to install gstreamer-mad
[10:26] <nestle-iced-tea> pvh I unedited the commented out lines from sources
[10:26] <pvh> nestle-iced-tea: which will let you read mp3s in rhythmbox
[10:26] <nestle-iced-tea> or sorry, edited out
[10:26] <pvh> nestle-iced-tea: you can just add 'universe' to the section listing
[10:26] <nuOpus> ya
[10:27] <crimsun> nestle-iced-tea: (except that you'd want 'gstreamer0.8-mad', not 'gstreamer-mad')
[10:27] <mirak> hi
[10:27] <mirak> I can't remove xorg-common
[10:27] <mirak> I use xfree though
[10:27] <nuOpus> the line in my make.conf looks like: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[10:27] <pvh> nestle-iced-tea: but Ogg is good, and you should use ogg when you have the choice
[10:27] <nestle-iced-tea> Whats Rhythmbox? the conversion tool?
[10:27] <crimsun> mirak: then install xfree86-common
[10:27] <nuOpus> You can group them to keep it clean
[10:27] <nestle-iced-tea> pvh- i'd like to pursue it
[10:27] <pvh> nestle-iced-tea: rhythmbox is the itunes lookalike that is installed by default
[10:27] <nestle-iced-tea> pvh- i want to rip some cds and stuff too..
[10:27] <nestle-iced-tea> Oh
[10:27] <pvh> nestle-iced-tea: as 'music player'
[10:27] <crimsun> nestle-iced-tea: it's "Music Player" in the Applications>Sound & Video menu
[10:27] <Cinder> not to mention the fact that ogg looks uber cool
[10:27] <Cinder> .ogg :D
[10:28] <Cinder> .mp3 :(
[10:28] <Ex-Cyber> why do I have a "g++-3.3" but no "g++"?
[10:28] <nestle-iced-tea> Well what tool will let me switch from say, mp3s, wav, cda, etc. to ogg?
[10:28] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: is 'build-essential' installed?
[10:28] <nuOpus> "ooooogggg" is sound I make when waking up with a hangover ... "oggg ... ooggg oooggg"
[10:28] <Cinder> im doing all my converting no a windows machine :p
[10:28] <Cinder> on *
[10:28] <Cinder> :P
[10:28] <njs12345> nestle-iced-tea: that's not a good idea, because converting from a lossy format (mp3/ogg/wma) to another lossy format damages the quality of the sound
[10:28] <nestle-iced-tea> wouldnt 64bit linux handle it nicely though
[10:29] <nestle-iced-tea> njs12345, how about ripping from a CD then?
[10:29] <njs12345> that's fine
[10:29] <njs12345> use sound-juicer to do that
[10:29] <nestle-iced-tea> cool.. thanks :] 
[10:29] <Cinder> heh i added my library
[10:29] <mirak> crimsun: I install xfree86-common, but removing xorg-common try to remove everything xrelated
[10:29] <nuOpus> nestle-iced-tea: if you have ripped a wav from a CD you can use oggenc to encode it
[10:29] <Cinder> the timer only goes to 99:99:99
[10:29] <Cinder> it stopped rofl
[10:29] <njs12345> Applications->Sound and Video->Sound Juicer CD Ripper
[10:30] <nuOpus> nestle-iced-tea: I often use cdparanoia to rip my cd's to wav and then oggenc them
[10:30] <njs12345> there wouldn't happen to be someone in here who's a CSS wizard?
[10:30] <Ex-Cyber> crimsun: apparently not
[10:30] <nestle-iced-tea> nuOpus, this sound-juicer does it all for you
[10:30] <crimsun> mirak: you shouldn't try to remove xorg-common...
[10:30] <mirak> crimsun: I don't use xorg
[10:31] <pvh> njs12345: there might be, but this isn't the right channel
[10:31] <mirak> I installed xorg once and realised there was no ATI driver
[10:31] <nuOpus> nestle-iced-tea: for me the gui takes too much time. much faster to just do cdparanoia -B && oggenc -q 5 track*.wav
[10:31] <mirak> so I put back xfree
[10:31] <crimsun> mirak: aren't you running Hoary?
[10:31] <nuOpus> then to wait for program to load and fiddle through the settings with the cursed mouse
[10:31] <nestle-iced-tea> nuOpus, nice
[10:31] <mirak> Crane: yes
[10:31] <Hitchhiker90> i'd try xorg but i don't know how to get it :)  so i'll stick with xfree86
[10:31] <njs12345> pvh: that's quite true
[10:31] <njs12345> I'll try in #css
[10:31] <crimsun> mirak: Hoary has ATI drivers compatible with amd64, Linux 2.6.10, and X.Org
[10:31] <nestle-iced-tea> what comes with ubuntu-amd64?
[10:32] <nestle-iced-tea> xfree or xorg
[10:32] <froust> xorg in hoary
[10:32] <nestle-iced-tea> xfree right
[10:32] <nuOpus> nestle-iced-tea: besides ... you can create an alias to do it all for you
[10:32] <froust> xfree in warty
[10:32] <froust> afaik
[10:32] <nestle-iced-tea> yeah, this is warty
[10:32] <crimsun> (Warty has XFree86)
[10:32] <nestle-iced-tea> and i have an XF86Config file
[10:32] <nuOpus> the ati drivers for xorg work great by the way
[10:32] <crimsun> nestle-iced-tea: the canonical (no pun intended) method is to check the output of `X -version'
[10:33] <nuOpus> Hitchhiker90: Well you can switch to hoary if you are brave. I use ... works great for me
[10:33] <nestle-iced-tea> hrmm.. this warty install i have is old?
[10:33] <nestle-iced-tea> i like betas :>
[10:33] <Hitchhiker90> i'll pass, i don't feel like taking the time to download it and then burn it
[10:33] <Hitchhiker90> <--- lazy
[10:34] <nuOpus> nestle-iced-tea: Then switch to hoary or wait until march for its release
[10:34] <duzchip> I cant wait until 5.10 comes out
[10:34] <duzchip> no wait, 5.02 wasn't it?
[10:34] <duzchip> or 5.03?
[10:34] <nuOpus> mine says 5.04
[10:34] <duzchip> oki, i'm sure that's right
[10:35] <duzchip> it's kinda coll that they name the versions after the date it is released :D
[10:35] <mirak> crimsun: yes, I have just realised this thanks
[10:35] <duzchip> very practical
[10:35] <nuOpus> duzchip: hoary runs nice right now ... a few bugs to work out, but overall it is great
[10:36] <nuOpus> LOL
[10:36] <nuOpus> gotta love MrNaughty exit message
[10:37] <duzchip> nu0pus: any big changes?
[10:38] <nuOpus> duzchip: Well ... gnome 2.9 is great ... lots of improvements
[10:38] <nuOpus> duzchip: xorg, new firefox and thunderbird .... just all new packages
[10:38] <pvh> All so exciting!
[10:38] <nuOpus> duzchip: nothing new like a software splash yet!!
[10:39] <duzchip> no0pus: damn :D, i looked forward against big changes :D
[10:40] <mirak> crimsun: hem, what must I do to do the transition to xorg ?
[10:40] <nuOpus> duzchip: not like a bootspash will be a topper for me since I never reboot this thing .... I would never see it anyway
[10:40] <duzchip> no0pus: have they worked anything on the kde-support?
[10:40] <mirak> is the xorg config file and the xfree on the same ?
[10:40] <nestle-iced-tea> ack! limewire wont close! help!.. when i try to close it, it just minimizes to the taskbar.. i tried killall -9 LimeWire and that didnt work either!
[10:41] <Riddell> duzchip: KDE 3.3.2 is in hoary
[10:41] <crimsun> mirak: um, if you're already running Hoary, you already have X.Org. All you need to do is to update & dist-upgrade to pull in the new fglrx drivers.
[10:41] <pvh> How is the migration to Hoary? Is it painful?
[10:41] <tck> nestle-iced-tea, pidof limewire
[10:41] <nuOpus> duzchip: ya .. like Riddell said .. 3.3.2 is in there
[10:41] <mirak> crimsun: I removed the meta package that install xorg
[10:41] <nuOpus> pvh: painless
[10:42] <crimsun> mirak: x-window-system-core?
[10:42] <mirak> crimsun: I am just wondering about the config file
[10:42] <pvh> nuOpus: Just swap repositories and do a dist-upgrade, or what?
[10:42] <nestle-iced-tea> tck- nothing
[10:42] <mirak> crimsun: probably
[10:42] <nuOpus> pvh: Just change instances of warty to hoary in your make.conf and sudo apt-get update
[10:42] <nuOpus> pvh: then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:42] <crimsun> mirak: they're essentially interchangeable with a couple caveats
[10:42] <pvh> nuOpus: Beauty.
[10:42] <nuOpus> pvh: Or they just released th hoary cd a few days ago
[10:42] <nuOpus> I just installed my other desktop with the new test cd
[10:43] <nuOpus> works great
[10:43] <pvh> nuOpus: I'm a bit apprehensive about switching unless it's in pretty good shape.
[10:43] <mirak> crimsun: ok
[10:43] <nuOpus> Hoary Array-3
[10:43] <Ephemeral> whre do i get Gstreamer MP3 again?
[10:43] <nuOpus> pvh: You can test it by installing under qemu
[10:43] <pvh> Ephemeral: Enable the 'universe' sections in your deb repositories.
[10:43] <pvh> Ephemeral: Then install 'gstreamer0.8-mad'
[10:44] <pvh> nuOpus: qemu? that's new to me.
[10:44] <duzchip> nu0pus: So they have KDE in the system by default? this time? I dont like or use KDE but some of their tools are quite useful :D
[10:44] <Ephemeral> pvh i cant see Universe
[10:44] <Ephemeral> in Synaptic
[10:44] <nuOpus> pvh: I got tired of installing gstreamer plugins ... so I just did gstreamer0.8-plugins
[10:44] <nuOpus> duzchip: not be default
[10:44] <pvh> Ephemeral: It's the unchecked repositories in the synaptic rep list
[10:44] <Ephemeral> ah its ok
[10:44] <Ephemeral> got it
[10:44] <Ephemeral> :)
[10:44] <Ephemeral> i dont need the source do i?
[10:44] <pvh> This should really be in the faq.
[10:44] <nuOpus> pvh: It is a virtual machine emulator like vmware. It simulates a computer so you can install whatever on it
[10:45] <pvh> Ephemeral: Shouldn't, no.
[10:45] <nuOpus> pvh: but its open source
[10:45] <pvh> nuOpus: Very cool. Can I run xp through it as well?
[10:45] <nuOpus> pvh: XP is kinda slow through it
[10:45] <pvh> nuOpus: I'm pretty disappointed with wine/cedega/cvscedega
[10:45] <nuOpus> pvh: windows 2000 runs good
[10:45] <Riddell> duzchip: no, KDE is on a separate CD
[10:45] <gt500> yeah :D gtkpod works :D
[10:45] <Ephemeral> hmm what am i looking for? Gstreamer for Rythmbox with MP3
[10:45] <gt500> should be a package ...
[10:45] <Riddell> well, it will be
[10:45] <pvh> Ephemeral: The package should be called 'gstreamer0.8-mad' if memory serves me
[10:46] <nuOpus> Ephimeral: Just do sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[10:46] <gt500> Riddell :p when's that ?
[10:46] <Riddell> gt500: no idea
[10:46] <pvh> Ephemeral: That's even better, yeah.
[10:46] <nuOpus> Ephimeral: That way you get all of them and dont have to worry about which one is installed
[10:46] <duzchip> Will they send out free cd's this time aswell or that was just a one-time thing for version 4.10?
[10:46] <gt500> I'm gonna put it on my page , to become a maintainer of the package :D
[10:46] <Ephemeral> hmm i only see Mikmod
[10:46] <Ephemeral> under M
[10:46] <Ephemeral> ah i know what it is
[10:46] <gt500> btw , i'm creating a custom skin for ubuntulinux.org :D
[10:46] <Ephemeral> i need to update list
[10:46] <nuOpus> lol
[10:47] <gt500> pixel design :)
[10:47] <pvh> Ephemeral: use the 'search' tool as well
[10:47] <pvh> Ephemeral: much easier than hunting through that giant list
[10:47] <nuOpus> Ephemeral: A friend who claims to be a linux god dissed ubuntu cuz he said ubuntu was screwed and wasnt reading the repos correctly.
[10:47] <nuOpus> Ephemeral: For a linux god .... the sure didnt know you had to update
[10:47] <nuOpus> he
[10:48] <crimsun> there are no linux gods, not even andrew or linus.
[10:48] <Vorbix> who names their kid Linus
[10:48] <pvh> crimsun: Blasphemy!
[10:48] <nuOpus> crimsun: well .... he sort of self appoints himself
[10:48] <Vorbix> lol
[10:48] <pvh> crimsun: May the Penguin never cross your path, heretic.
[10:48] <gt500> andrew ?
[10:48] <gt500> :p
[10:48] <duzchip> BTW, does anyone know any good repositories except those on the Unofficila Ubuntu-guide?
[10:48] <nuOpus> crimsun: I told him .... so you put universe and multiverse in your sources file .... and the new stuff just magically appears?
[10:48] <crimsun> gt500: morton.
[10:48] <gt500> thought so
[10:48] <gt500> :p
[10:49] <Vorbix> I'm not ubuntu right now, but does the "CD Player" let you open a dir to audio
[10:49] <pvh> duzchip: I added the marilat and daily wine repos.
[10:49] <Vorbix> or does it have to be a complete audio cd
[10:49] <duzchip> pvh: where do i find those?
[10:49] <swim> hay has anyone been able to install ndiswrapper 1.0 rc3 yet? Im having problems using it
[10:49] <nuOpus> Vorbix: no it doesnt
[10:49] <pvh> duzchip: I did a little googling, just a sec and I'll check my list.
[10:49] <gt500> brb
[10:49] <Vorbix> oh knows
[10:49] <nuOpus> Vorbix: Use rhythmbox ..... or "Music Player"
[10:50] <nuOpus> same thing
[10:50] <crimsun> pvh: marillat probably won't allow you to install mplayer if you're running warty, but it's useful for other packages.
[10:50] <Vorbix> Last time i used it I think i got en error
[10:50] <crimsun> pvh: sorry
[10:50] <duzchip> i'll google some for Ubuntu Repositories aswell
[10:50] <crimsun> duzchip: marillat probably won't allow you to install mplayer if you're running warty, but it's useful for other packages.
[10:50] <nuOpus> pvh: If you are running warty you can add the marillat repository
[10:50] <Vorbix> Although it was probably because I tried to open an .mp3
[10:50] <Ephemeral> im going to get GDesklets too
[10:51] <Ephemeral> i forget how u run it though?
[10:51] <pvh> Hey, has anyone played with 3dwm?
[10:51] <nuOpus> Vorbix: rhythmbox wont play mp3 without the correct gstreamer plugin
[10:51] <anTiXX> I want to install mplayer but it has some dependencies like libarts, libdvdread2, libvorbis0.. how do I get those?
[10:51] <nuOpus> Vorbix: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[10:51] <swim> hay has anyone been able to install ndiswrapper 1.0 rc3 yet? Im having problems using it
[10:51] <crimsun> anTiXX: deb http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./
[10:52] <Vorbix> thank you
[10:52] <duzchip> Anyone know how to setup my own repository-server?
[10:52] <crimsun> duzchip: read the new maintainer's guide on the debian web site
[10:52] <nuOpus> anTiXX: add "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main" to your sources file
[10:52] <duzchip> Any one more question. I installed the codecs from the Unofficial ubuntu-guide. Now i can watch mp(e)g -files but not avi's
[10:52] <nuOpus> anTiXX: Make sure that you have universe and multiverse in there as well
[10:52] <duzchip> why?
[10:53] <crimsun> duzchip: which codec package{s} did you install?
[10:53] <nuOpus> duzchip: that is not a complete codec pack
[10:53] <nuOpus> duzchip: on the mplayer site there is a complete archive with ALL of the codecs made 1-15-2004
[10:53] <nuOpus> err
[10:53] <nuOpus> 2005
[10:54] <nuOpus> wget http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/all-20050115.tar.bz2
[10:55] <Ephemeral> how do i use Gdesklets?
[10:55] <nuOpus> duzchip: just unpack that file .... and move its contents to /usr/share/win32 directory
[10:55] <sgtshatta> daniels: are you online??
[10:56] <nuOpus> duzchip: its CONTENTS! lol
[10:56] <nuOpus> duzchip: then you will be able to play all of your vids
[10:57] <sgtshatta> I get an error with gmplayer about /dev/dsp busy and have no audio with mplayer only gxine has audio using ubuntu hoary 5.04
[10:57] <discord> is their a package for the nforce audio module or should i just compile it from source, im having trouble with my nforce2 sound
[10:57] <nuOpus> sgtshatta: edit your /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf and change the ao=oss to ao=esd
[10:58] <sgtshatta> nuOpus: Thanx let me try that!!
[10:58] <pvh> Hey, this has been bugging me for a while -- I like to use both soundcards in my computer for different applications.
[10:58] <rasta> say does Ubuntu support reading NTFS volumes ?
[10:58] <duzchip> mu0pus: thanks for the help
[10:58] <nuOpus> sgtshatta: actually the default was ao=alsa I think? ahhh doesnt matter ... just change it to ao=esd
[10:58] <nuOpus> duzchip: did it work?
[10:58] <Ephemeral> where is gdesklets installed to?
[10:58] <rasta> mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[10:58] <pvh> What kind of support is there for that with alsa? (A link or hint on google keywords would be great.)
[10:59] <duzchip> nu0pus: working on it now.
[10:59] <rasta> anyone know ?
[10:59] <discord> anybody with an nforce mb in here?
[10:59] <Ephemeral> ive got nforce3
[10:59] <rasta> discord, yes
[10:59] <Ephemeral> but im not using onboard snd
[10:59] <rasta> discord, Shuttle A35N
[10:59] <nuOpus> duzchip when you untar it ... it will make an all-something directory ... dont move that directory to win32 ... you must move all of the files inside that to win32
[10:59] <anTiXX> nuOpus: thanks now I could install it! its missing some font now though.. its not so easy to install it imho :)
[10:59] <crimsun> rasta: yes, it has support for reading.
[10:59] <discord> rasta is your sound working?
[10:59] <sgtshatta> nuOpus: Hmmm I cant even find mplayer.conf, I compile it from source.
[11:00] <nuOpus> anTiXX: there is a fonts package
[11:00] <nuOpus> sgtshatta: then it is /etc/mplayer.conf
[11:00] <rasta> discord, just installed
[11:00] <rasta> discord, will test
[11:00] <duzchip> nu0pus: didn't understand that but i'm sure i'll manage it (i hope) :D
[11:00] <nuOpus> LOL
[11:00] <discord> im about to try the nvaudio driver as my sound isnt working
[11:00] <crimsun> discord: what do you need regarding ALSA?
[11:00] <duzchip> nu0pus: but i'm using totem to watch movies, not Mplayer
[11:01] <duzchip> nu0pus: will the codecs still work?
[11:01] <nuOpus> duzchip: Here are all of the commands: sudo mkdir /usr/lib/win32
[11:01] <crimsun> I generally hang in #alsa
[11:01] <nuOpus> duzchip: tar xjpvf all-20050115.tar.gz2
[11:01] <Ephemeral> nuOpus .. do u know where Gdesklets gets installed to?
[11:01] <duzchip> nu0pus: thanks a lot :D
[11:01] <nuOpus> duzchip: sudo mv all-20050115/* /usr/lib/win32
[11:01] <rasta> discord, no luck
[11:02] <nuOpus> duzchip: then you are done
[11:02] <nuOpus> yes
[11:02] <nuOpus> /usr/share/gdesklets
[11:02] <duzchip> nu0pus: oki, testing it in a second when the file is downloaded :P
[11:02] <discord> anyone know which repository contains the nforce graphics module?
[11:03] <Ephemeral> how do i run a desklet?
[11:04] <nuOpus> duzchip: oh ... totem uses gstreamer
[11:04] <sjoerd> mako: nice picture in your blog ;)
[11:04] <nuOpus> duzchip: oh but totem-xine may play them
[11:04] <nuOpus> duzchip: I just say bleh to totem .... mplayer with that codec pack will play just about anything
[11:04] <nuOpus> Ephemeral: Depends on which version
[11:05] <Soulstorm> seems I arrived on topic
[11:05] <nuOpus> Ephemeral: the new one you can just run gdesklets ... right click on the icon in the bar and hit manage gdesklets
[11:05] <Soulstorm> I need to know where to get codecs to play mp3s and movies
[11:05] <nuOpus> Ephemeral: In the old version you just gdesklets display
[11:05] <Ephemeral> nuOpus: I have the latest universe version
[11:05] <nuOpus> Soulstorm you can get the w32codecs pack from the repos .. but they are not cmplete
[11:06] <Ephemeral> nuOpus: I ran it in the terminal
[11:06] <Ephemeral> nuOpus: how do u run it properly?
[11:06] <nuOpus> Ephemeral: and it put an icon in the notification area right?
[11:06] <sgtshatta> nuOpus: Hey my config file is in .mplayer/config but this file is totally empty
[11:06] <duzchip> nu0pus: woho, it worked just fine with totem-xine :D
[11:06] <nuOpus> sgtshatta: add ao=oss
[11:06] <nuOpus> NO
[11:06] <Ephemeral> nuOpus: notification area?
[11:06] <duzchip> I'm in love with Ubuntu
[11:06] <duzchip> and apt-get :D
[11:06] <nuOpus> sgtshatta: ao=esd
[11:06] <nuOpus> did it add a gdesklets icon?
[11:06] <Ephemeral> ah yes i see ... in Aps
[11:06] <Soulstorm> nuOpus: what prog do I play them with?
[11:07] <sgtshatta> nuOpus:ok no prob let me try
[11:07] <Ephemeral> Apps Access
[11:07] <duzchip> Anyone know how to get a nicer look at my xfce4?
[11:07] <nuOpus> Soulstorm I play all of my movies in mplayer
[11:07] <crimsun> duzchip: there are dozens of themes availabel for XFce4
[11:08] <crimsun> available^
[11:08] <duzchip> yeah but where? didn't find many at freshmeat.net
[11:08] <swim> hell yah! ndiswrapper 1.0 rc3 works on x86_64 !
[11:08] <Ephemeral> nuOpus: I ran it from the icon... but its dissappeared
[11:08] <crimsun> duzchip: check the links from xfce's web site
[11:08] <nuOpus> Ephemeral: Run gdesklets from console and see what error you get
[11:09] <sgtshatta> nuOpus:ok that first error is now gone but now it says could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound!
[11:09] <Ephemeral> /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main instead
[11:09] <Ephemeral>   self.warn(message, DeprecationWarning)
[11:09] <nuOpus> sgtshatta: Oh ... sudo apt-get install esound-clients
[11:09] <nuOpus> or is it esd-clients?
[11:09] <sgtshatta> nuOpus:oh really ok sounds simple enough thanx
[11:09] <swim> man this is a chatty channel
[11:10] <nuOpus> Ephemeral: I heard of that error .... try re-installing python? Hoary comes with python 2.4
[11:10] <nuOpus> Ephemeral: sorry I can't help
[11:10] <nuOpus> well wife is getting ansy ... gotta get going. hope I was of assistance to someone!
[11:10] <nuOpus> lol
[11:10] <nuOpus> or is it ... ansi?
[11:10] <nuOpus> hehe
[11:10] <pvh> nuOpus: You were, thanks.
[11:10] <sgtshatta> nuOpus: Its esound-clients
[11:11] <Ephemeral> nuOpus: how can i reinstall python?
[11:11] <sgtshatta> nuOpus: thanx a bunch man
[11:12] <Vorbix> Hm
[11:12] <Iceman3301> By default on boot, DMA is not enabled on my CD.  This causes choppy DVD playback.  I can use the hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc command to enable DMA for the drive.  How can I make this happen by default on boot?
[11:12] <Vorbix> Anyone have any good recommendations for a book for a Linux beginner ?
[11:13] <Vorbix> I got a gift card for 100$ at chapters so woo!
[11:13] <crimsun> Iceman3301: edit /etc/default/hdparm
[11:13] <swim> people please, everytime I startup I have to run gnome-volume-control and unmute my volume settings... theres got to be away to fix that?
[11:13] <crimsun> swim: fixed in Hoary already.
[11:13] <Iceman3301> Here are some really good Linux books:  http://www.openna.com/products/products.php
[11:13] <Iceman3301> OpenNA
[11:13] <swim> crimsun, Im in hoary... upgraded to latest...
[11:13] <Vorbix> oy thank you
[11:13] <Iceman3301> I have their Securing and Optimizing Linux book
[11:14] <Vorbix> im especially looking for something that will teach me the shell
[11:14] <crimsun> swim: eh? It works on all the Hoary machines I have access to
[11:14] <Ephemeral> how do u run gdesklets?
[11:15] <cponder> i just set up ubuntu first time, the screen refresh is only 60 hz, what program use to increase it?
[11:16] <Vorbix> Go to Computer > & then its either desktop preferences
[11:16] <Vorbix> er one sec
[11:16] <Iceman3301> crimsun:  What do I enter in /dec/default/hdparm to make that happen?  The same command?
[11:17] <larsrohdin> crimsun, i got it working. it was my own fault=)
[11:18] <Ephemeral> does anybody use Gdesklets here?
[11:19] <Vorbix> im not on Ubuntu right now, but its in the Computer menu
[11:19] <Ephemeral> no
[11:19] <Ephemeral> i mean
[11:19] <Ephemeral> i can start Gdesklets
[11:19] <Ephemeral> but i dont know the command to run them
[11:19] <mhz> jdub: ping
[11:19] <cponder> i found the screen resolution applet under system configuration, but it won't let me modify the refresh rate
[11:19] <cponder> think i need to reconfigure X to change the refresh rate
[11:20] <Ephemeral> i mean the idividual scripts, running those
[11:20] <cponder> just don't know which program to use
[11:20] <Vorbix> no
[11:20] <Vorbix> I did without
[11:20] <Vorbix> hm
[11:20] <mhz> HrdwrBoB: ping
[11:20] <Vorbix> it was a drop down menu with all the options
[11:20] <Vorbix> I remember
[11:21] <cponder> yeah, but maybe when u did your install ubuntu setup X such that more refresh rates were available?
[11:21] <mhz> has anyone used fluxbox under ubuntu_
[11:21] <mhz> has anyone used fluxbox under ubuntu?
[11:22] <cponder> u remember a little dialog box that had listing for resolution and refresh rate?
[11:22] <duzchip> where do i put the xfce-skins i download?
[11:22] <duzchip> or rather, how do i activate 'em later+
[11:22] <cponder> those are the only two things listed on System Configuration -> Screen Resolution applet
[11:22] <duzchip> i know i wanna put 'em in /usr/share/xfce4/themes
[11:22] <crimsun> mhz: yes, why?
[11:22] <swim> anyone know if there is still a panel mail notification dealy?
[11:23] <mhz> cponder: or you can also manually config XFree86
[11:23] <Vorbix> there is swim
[11:23] <Vorbix> its not setup by default but you can add it with a few clicks
[11:23] <rasta> discord, It is working
[11:23] <mhz> crimsun: did you apt-get it?
[11:23] <swim> Vorbix, where at I thought it used to be in rightclickk panel > add to panel thingy but I dont see it there anymore
[11:23] <Scooter> can you guys see my IP address? I am following the directions here for total stealth :D http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=dd1a7caeca4fd87e910050e266534fb0&t=10825
[11:24] <Scooter> Ubuntu rocks :)
[11:24] <Vorbix> odd
[11:24] <Vorbix> one sec
[11:24] <K-Rich> Scooter: mostly yeah it does!
[11:24] <Scooter> this is nice :)
[11:24] <mhz> crimsun: or did you download .tar.gz?
[11:25] <K-Rich> i'd say 100% it does if i could get this bloody scanner to work and for my nic and modem to stop trying to share irq 3 :P
[11:25] <Scooter> little slower, but thats ok, I will start useing DILLO :D
[11:25] <cponder> vorbix, i been looking, i'm pretty sure u r talking about the screen resolution dialog, but it only shows parameters available to your X windows setup according to docs
[11:25] <calamari> here is the command I needed to recover from my Windows-induced hell: sudo grub-install /dev/hda
[11:25] <calamari> that reinstalls grub
[11:25] <Vorbix> odd the option is their for me when I right click in the top right
[11:25] <Vorbix> beside the clock
[11:25] <cponder> u can tell me which program to use to reconfigure X windows on ubuntu?
[11:25] <crimsun> mhz: the former
[11:25] <cponder> yeah vorbix, because ubuntu install auto-detects graphics on your computer
[11:25] <cponder> it just didn't auto-detect them for me
[11:25] <njs12345> cponder: what graphics card do you use?
[11:25] <cponder> so I have to tell them myself
[11:26] <huhmz> Question: My mp3 player doesnt show up anymore in hoary when i plug it in. "dmesg" says it finds it and its sda and so forth and everything seems great but there is no sda in /dev and gnome doesn't mount it and show it with nautilus, what could be wrong?
[11:26] <cponder> Matrox G400 MAX, is old one for business graphics only
[11:26] <duzchip> How do i select a theme in xfce4 please?
[11:26] <swim> Vorbix, where in add to panel dialog box?
[11:26] <Hitchhiker90> oh word, i just updated my nvidia drivers to the binaries on nvidia's site. i'm uber-leet
[11:26] <Vorbix> I'll have to check, im not even on ubuntu right now
[11:27] <mhz> crimsun: could you show me your source.list?
[11:27] <Iceman3301> I am trying to enable DMA for my DVD drive on boot, but apparently I am not entering this correctly in the /etc/hdparm.conf file...  How do I need to enter this?
[11:27] <cponder> nobody knows which program ubuntu uses to configure the screen for X windows?
[11:27] <Deft> cponder, there are several, xresprobe is important
[11:27] <crimsun> mhz: it's the standard hoary sources.list with no external repos
[11:27] <cponder> thanks deft, trying now
[11:27] <Iceman3301> From the command line, I can enable DMA manually by typing sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc
[11:27] <Vorbix> odd
[11:28] <Vorbix> Ubuntu doesnt detect ANY of my data CD's under 50mb
[11:28] <mhz> crimsun: I have done... apt-cache search fluxbox unsuccessfully :)
[11:28] <Vorbix> anything above is detected
[11:28] <Vorbix> lol
[11:28] <nicedreams> is hdparm not configured by default in ubuntu?  I was looking at /etc/hdparm.conf and everything is commented out?
[11:28] <Iceman3301> Right, looks like everything is commented out
[11:28] <swim> man evolution should just add tray mail checker support
[11:28] <nicedreams> mhz, add multiverse and universe to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:29] <nicedreams> mhz, try 'aptitude search fluxbox' also
[11:29] <Deft> nicedreams, there's not so much need for hdparm now that DMA should be turned on anyway, so it hardly worth the installer risking breaking your drivers...
[11:29] <mhz> multiverse is added AFAIK will let me use ONLY free-as-in-freedom
[11:29] <Deft> * drives
[11:29] <cponder> i need to find the documentation for xresprobe, is there a dpkg option that will tell me all available documentation for xresprobe?
[11:29] <nicedreams> Deft, I was wanting to make sure.  I copied 5 gigs from my windows box and Ubuntu started glitching bad until is was done
[11:30] <mhz> nicedreams: if I uncomment universe, then AFAIK, I may get non-free packages
[11:30] <Deft> cponder, sudo xresprobe <driver> or sudo xresprobe dummy
[11:30] <crimsun> mhz: "free as in freedom?" What is that? 'fluxbox' is in universe.
[11:30] <Iceman3301> Deft:  How can I have DMA enabled on boot for my DVD drive
[11:30] <crimsun> mhz: multiverse definitely has them.
[11:30] <mhz> in Debian, Fluxbox is 100% supported by FSF.org
[11:30] <cponder> deft, i don't know what to put in for driver, that's why i need docs
[11:30] <nicedreams> mhz, I've never had a problem with multi or uni in the list so far.  I don't think you'll install anything not free ayways
[11:31] <Deft> Iceman3301, sudo hdparm -i /dev/hda
[11:31] <Deft> cponder, try dummy then
[11:31] <nicedreams> why does ubuntu glitch and go really slow when copying 5 gigs from another machine?
[11:31] <mhz> nicedreams: ok, I'll keep looking but so far, multiverse is not giving me fluxbox after searching
[11:32] <nicedreams> mhz, ?  wierd
[11:32] <crimsun> mhz: please read what I typed.
[11:32] <nicedreams> mhz, try aptitude search flux
[11:32] <nicedreams> and see what happens
[11:32] <K-Rich> mhz: was it you wanting to see a sources.list ?
[11:32] <mhz> yep
[11:32] <Iceman3301> Deft:  hdparm -i just gives me the drive info
[11:32] <cponder> deft, that just lists a bunch of screen resolutions and refresh frequency ranges, which do happen to be correct, but I think I need to reconfigure X windows, no option for that
[11:32] <K-Rich> Here is mine:
[11:32] <K-Rich> http://rafb.net/paste/results/WKwUz525.html
[11:32] <Deft> Iceman3301, "* signifies the current active mode"
[11:33] <nicedreams> hdparm says "UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2", how can I go to udma5 ?
[11:33] <mhz> crimsun: I read and I also gotta trust source.list default comments about 'universe'. they say "and may not be under a free licence."
[11:33] <Deft> cponder, xresprobe just gets the information, it's used by the package configure script, if you want to change stuff, running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is probably what you want
[11:34] <Iceman3301> Deft:  Right, I enable DMA manually via hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc....  but I don't want to have to do that each time, I want the system to do it at boot
[11:34] <giard> has anyone with ipw2200 here had it just stop working all of a sudden and need to be reloaded?
[11:34] <crimsun> mhz: so uncomment it to install fluxbox, then comment it out again.
[11:34] <cponder> deft, that's what i been asking for exactly, thank you
[11:34] <crimsun> Iceman3301: do that in /etc/default/hdparm, like I said above
[11:34] <mhz> nicedreams: aptitude search fluxbox
[11:34] <K-Rich> nicedreams: seems all OSes glitch when copying 5GB over a lan imho
[11:35] <mhz> nicedreams: nothing
[11:35] <mhz> crimsun: hehehe
[11:35] <crimsun> mhz: you don't seem to have universe enabled.
[11:35] <mhz> nop
[11:35] <mhz> crimsun: they say "and may not be under a free licence."
[11:35] <nicedreams> K-Rich, yea, but this is rediculous.  I can't even move my mouse when copying
[11:35] <nicedreams> has to be a DMA issue or something or windows has the upper hand in that then
[11:36] <crimsun> mhz: how do you plan to use apt-get to install from a Ubuntu repo if you don't enable it?
[11:36] <mhz> K-Rich: thanks
[11:36] <K-Rich> mhz: np
[11:36] <mhz> crimsun: but I have added multiverse
[11:36] <nicedreams> mhz, just add them
[11:37] <crimsun> mhz: multiverse does not include universe.
[11:37] <nicedreams> mhz, add them all
[11:37] <pvh> multiverse?
[11:37] <crimsun> mhz: the repos are NOT concentric
[11:37] <K-Rich> nicedreams: yeah, i had a similar issue, turned out the nic in the other machine was only letting me connect at 10 rather than 100
[11:37] <nicedreams> mhz, just add them all and try it and try it.
[11:37] <nicedreams> K-Rich, do you know how to tell if it's 10/100 through linux?
[11:38] <mhz> crimsun, nicedreams: okidoki
[11:38] <K-Rich> nicedreams: try sudo ifconfig -a
[11:38] <cponder> deft, u know i remember something, ubuntu install asked me to select screen resolutions i wanted to use, but I know I didn't tell it any refresh rates I wanted to use, did I miss refresh rates on that install screen?
[11:38] <K-Rich> nicedreams: errr, no need for sudo actually, just 'ifconfig -a'
[11:38] <mhz> crimsun, nicedreams: okidoki, but then I gotta improve wiki explanations and default source.list explanations
[11:39] <Deft> cponder, it should only ask for refresh rates if it can't guess them...
[11:39] <usual> i have the flu :(
[11:40] <nicedreams> K-Rich, I didn't see any line for 10/100 in ifconfig -a
[11:40] <cponder> okay, i think it just guessed really lows ones, and considered that a successful guess, the reconfigure script u gave me looks easy enough, going through it now
[11:40] <Iceman3301> crimsun:  I am sorry, I am relatively new to linux, but I don't know what to enter in the /etc/hdparm.conf file...  I don't have a /etc/default/hdparm
[11:40] <nicedreams> mhz, are you trying to install Fluxbox or are you doing a report or something?
[11:40] <nicedreams> Iceman3301, I feel that, hdparm is pissing me off too
[11:40] <K-Rich> nicedreams: i'm lost than heh sorry
[11:40] <nicedreams>  :)
[11:41] <nicedreams> K-Rich, np :)
[11:41] <Iceman3301> crimsun:  or do I just put the same command in the hdparm.conf file as I do at the command line (hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc)?
[11:41] <nicedreams> mhz, don't forget to apt-get update when you change your sources.list
[11:41] <mhz> nicedreams: both. I have a small multidisciplinary organization that promote the freedom to access knowledge and technology.
[11:42] <mhz> nicedreams: yep
[11:42] <Iceman3301> nicedreams: Yes, I can change hdparms manually, but don't know what to enter in the file
[11:42] <cindex> Can someone help me
[11:42] <mhz> nicedreams: Ubuntu looked as maybe one of the best Distros (in terms of the Vision and Mission)
[11:42] <nicedreams> it is
[11:43] <Mike78> I just got ubuntu & i wanna find a good linux ebook for shell programming
[11:43] <mhz> nicedreams: so I decided to give it a try for one week (at least)
[11:43] <nicedreams> how do i open a private window to mhz for chat?
[11:43] <nicedreams> mhz, i'll send you the text from my sources.list
[11:43] <mhz> write /query mhz
[11:43] <Deft> Mike78, does it have to be a whole book?  there are lots of good bash tutorial around
[11:43] <nicedreams> mhz, ubuntu is the shit...stick with it
[11:43] <Mike78> not even a book
[11:44] <Mike78> just a tutorial on the shell
[11:44] <Mike78> I'm looking for anything to help get a beginner started
[11:44] <Deft> Mike78, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/? a google search gives hundreds
[11:45] <nicedreams> Mike78, google
[11:45] <nicedreams> Mike78, try seaching for linux noob
[11:45] <K-Rich> Mike78: google for bash shell scripts
[11:45] <llun_ved> hehe
[11:45] <nicedreams> Mike78, or things like that.  brings up some nice sites
[11:45] <mirak> anyone with a ATI here ?
[11:45] <Mike78> < - ATI 9500
[11:46] <Mike78> thanks alot
[11:46] <linuxn00b> hey, anyone know if I can show my computers uptime in realtime on a website?
[11:47] <anTiXX> hm I can't seem to get 16:9 in gmplayer when playing a dvd..?
[11:47] <zen_> linuxn00b: phpsysinfo
[11:47] <zen_> for example
[11:47] <Mike78> just wonderin
[11:47] <duzchip> mirak: I'm having a Radeon 9600 Pro
[11:48] <Mike78> Does "shell programming" relate to any other programming "language" closely
[11:48] <linuxn00b> I don't know how to use php or anyother language :(
[11:48] <mirak> do you use xorg ?
[11:48] <Mike78> php is online programming :P
[11:48] <K-Rich> linuxn00b: possible with PHP and/or perl i belive
[11:48] <duzchip> Mike78: yup, it's quite similar to C in my opinion
[11:48] <Mike78> oh
[11:48] <Mike78> goodzor
[11:48] <mirak> Mike78: that's script
[11:48] <duzchip> mirak: nope. XFree86
[11:48] <Mike78> :o
[11:48] <mirak> ing
[11:48] <Deft> linuxn00b, you'll either have to learn something, or find a premade script erally then...
[11:48] <duzchip> mirak: and no plans of changing to xorg really since it's working fine this way. :D
[11:48] <linuxn00b> how do I do it??
[11:48] <mirak> duzchip: ok, there is new ati drivers that support xorg
[11:49] <linuxn00b> i'll try and find a premade script :)
[11:49] <mirak> duzchip: I am an dist-upgrade adict :D
[11:49] <thundrcleeze> Hi, is anyone else having problems with the ubuntu package servers?
[11:49] <duzchip> mirak: yeah i know. But all ATI-drivers suck big time under linux so i dont care really
[11:49] <Mike78> try hotscripts.cmo
[11:49] <duzchip> mirak: and since i never play any games I dont really need to get the drivers for my card
[11:49] <Mike78> http://www.hotscripts.com
[11:49] <duzchip> mirak: i use the ati-drivers that come with ubuntu
[11:49] <zen_> linuxn00b: http://phpsysinfo.sourceforge.net/
[11:49] <mirak> duzchip: it's fine for screen savers
[11:50] <gt500> back :p
[11:50] <Deft> IFS is the only screen saver anyone needs!
[11:50] <duzchip> mirak: hehe, not worth having trouble with just to get a nicer screensaver :D
[11:50] <K-Rich> why even use a screensaver anymore?
[11:51] <Mike78> they look perty
[11:51] <gt500> ubuntu pixelated , woooohooo :D it's starting to look nice :D
[11:51] <Deft> K-Rich, I find it's helpful to let me know how long it is since I last did any work :)
[11:52] <cponder> deft, restarting X now to try new X config, if I get back into this room, you'll know it worked!
[11:52] <linuxn00b> zen_, wow it comes out kinda big...I just wanted something that would small something small
[11:52] <topyli> K-Rich: at work i use xjack. it's a good conversation starter
[11:52] <mirak> duzchip: that's a question of principles :D
[11:52] <thundrcleeze> K-Rich: You can still get burnin, it just takes some effort.
[11:52] <duzchip> yeah, i dont use screensavers. I either sit any my computer (like 12+ hours a day) or i shut the screen off
[11:52] <duzchip> any = at
[11:52] <Mike78> I just blanked out, Ubuntu has a PDF viewer right
[11:52] <nicedreams> screen savers rock.  the only one you need is BLANK
[11:52] <Deft> Mike78, xpdf is installed
[11:52] <K-Rich> heh, i dunno, i just let my monitor go into "low power mode" (suspend)
[11:52] <gt500> Mike78,  , yeah
[11:52] <linuxn00b> it comes out this big http://tinyurl.com/49g96
[11:53] <gt500> xpdf
[11:53] <Mike78> excellento :P
[11:53] <Deft> gpdf and evince are around if you look too
[11:53] <Deft> and ggv
[11:53] <thundrcleeze> Is anyone else having problems with the ubuntu synaptic servers?
[11:53] <omar> can anyone point me to a sample mplayer.conf file
[11:53] <Mike78> woah
[11:54] <nicedreams> thundrcleeze, not on hoary at least
[11:54] <Deft> thundrcleeze, I was earlier; there's a long list of mirrors to try now though
[11:54] <thundrcleeze> It's going at 8kbps for me, it was fine earlier.
[11:55] <gt500> i think i'm gonna crash , i slepped 4 hours last night , then worked the whole day ... :x
[11:55] <Deft> (also, for reference, they are apt archives, synaptic just makes things look nicer)
[11:55] <thundrcleeze> I know they are.
[11:55] <thundrcleeze> Synaptic's just a front end
[11:55] <|QuaD-_> Deft: apt is also just a frontend
[11:55] <nicedreams> aptitude rules
[11:55] <gt500> greetz too ya'll
[11:56] <gt500> :p
[11:56] <Deft> |QuaD-_, the archives are arranged for apt, I think I'm justified there...
[11:56] <Deft> thundrcleeze, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[11:56] <thundrcleeze> I remember back in Mandrake 7 where you couldn't even do that.  What a pain it was.
[11:56] <|QuaD-_> Deft: synaptic is not a frontend for apt-get
[11:57] <|QuaD-_> Deft: i don't think you ar
[11:57] <|QuaD-_> e
[11:57] <Deft> |QuaD-_, well, it is compatible with the advanced package tool, and I only said apt, not apt-get
[11:57] <incorrect> is there a packages.ubuntu.org like debian has?
[11:57] <|QuaD-_> Deft: its also compatible with synaptic
[11:57] <flamesrock__> hi, quick question -- I just downloaded the latest release of ubuntu and checked the md5. It appears to be different than the posted one. will this likely cause a problem?
[11:58] <Deft> but syanaptic came afterwards, with a backend that matched what apt-get did
[11:58] <Nanarr> bonsoir
[11:58] <|QuaD-_> Deft: the point is that apt-get and synaptic serve the same purpose... the repositories aren't made for one, but both
[11:58] <thundrcleeze> Thanks, Deft, do I just add those mirrors to the repository, or is there something special I have to do?
[11:59] <carambol> when i starpup xterm i get this msg:
[11:59] <Deft> thundrcleeze, just add them and comment out the original ones
[11:59] <carambol> bash:dircolors:command not found and i get the $prompt