| sivang | ogra: knoppix has an ltsp server inbox? | 12:12 |
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| sivang | ogra: that is, in box | 12:12 |
| ogra | it once had... i hvent seen knoppix since about two years... | 12:12 |
| dholbach | sleep tight guys - i'm off to bed :-) | 12:22 |
| sivang | dholbach: night! | 12:23 |
| dholbach | bye sivang, sleep tight :-) | 12:23 |
| sivang | yay, gnome-cups-manager identifed my HP printer now! cooool | 12:23 |
| sivang | dholbach: oviderzane! | 12:23 |
| sivang | (I probably have MANY mistaked there) | 12:24 |
| ogra | night daniel | 12:24 |
| sivang | mdz: ping again, would you like to send me a suggestin script for localizing the livecd? or is it a matter of installing language-support-XX into the cloop compressed img? | 12:25 |
| sivang | mdz: I want to fill up the localization section also. | 12:26 |
| dholbach | sivang: wow... if you pronounce "oviderzane" in english, it's nearly right :-) | 12:26 |
| mdz | sivang: slow down; those packages were not even available until a few days ago | 12:26 |
| dholbach | sivang: we spell it "auf wiedersehen" in german :-) | 12:26 |
| sivang | dholbach: this is how i hear it :) | 12:28 |
| ogra | sivang: learning german ? | 12:29 |
| dholbach | sivang: i didnt say it was wrong :-) | 12:29 |
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| sivang | ogra: trying hehe ;-) wish I knew some more.. | 12:31 |
| ogra | ssh ogra@sivang apt-get install language-support-de | 12:31 |
| ogra | ;) | 12:31 |
| sivang | dholbach: ok | 12:36 |
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| sivang | ogra: does it habve anyting inside it already? | 12:46 |
| ogra | language-support-de ? | 12:47 |
| ogra | dunno.... | 12:47 |
| sivang | ogra: oh , it has some things in it already :) I am now installing | 12:47 |
| ogra | sivang: it was a joke ;) | 12:48 |
| ogra | sivang: i was installing it on you via ssh.... | 12:48 |
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| kent | should python-xdg be expected to work? if that python module has support for the new freedesktop menu, then a simply menueditor for gnome should not be so hard to write? | 01:48 |
| sivang | ogra: take a look at wiki/ServerTeam, would like to hear some thoughts | 01:48 |
| sivang | (everybody else are also welcome) | 01:49 |
| jdub | GOOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS! | 01:49 |
| sivang | jdub: MORNING! | 01:50 |
| sivang | jdub: wiki/ServerTeam | 01:50 |
| tseng | lo jdub | 01:50 |
| sivang | jdub: what about the pantalones? | 01:50 |
| jdub | later in the day :) | 01:51 |
| sivang | jdub: heheh | 01:51 |
| jdz_ | howdy :) | 01:52 |
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| jdub | yo jdz_ | 01:53 |
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| lexhider | FTBS, can someone please define? | 03:20 |
| chrisa | Perhaps you mean FTBFS? | 03:21 |
| lexhider | probably, although the email I'm reading says FTBS, I don't know what either mean. | 03:22 |
| chrisa | Failed to build from source for one, not sure about the other | 03:22 |
| lexhider | thanks | 03:23 |
| lexhider | I'll also add to glossary page on wiki | 03:25 |
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| jdub | whoa | 03:49 |
| sivang | can someone suggest why I am not able to run g-s-t::users-admin from within my hoary chroot? | 04:19 |
| sivang | jdub: you have an idea why is needed to do in order to run X/GNOME clients under a chroot? | 04:24 |
| jdub | a crap load of everything | 04:26 |
| jdub | you're better off using a debootstrapped chroot than a minimal chroot | 04:27 |
| jdub | or uml or something | 04:27 |
| jdub | first problem is that you won't have access to the display | 04:27 |
| daniels | jdub: well, if you bind-mount $HOME, you get ~/.Xauthority | 04:28 |
| daniels | (don't forget to bind-mount /tmp/.X11-unix for the transport) | 04:28 |
| jdub | yeah, but that's just the start ;) | 04:28 |
| daniels | well, running GNOME can be a pain | 04:31 |
| daniels | never really did work out how to run multiple GNOME sessions as the same user on the same machine | 04:32 |
| daniels | (different $DISPLAYs, obviously) | 04:32 |
| jdz_ | oh, thats a big proublem | 04:38 |
| jdz_ | with a 2nd gnome login, most of the applets are dead, genearly looks horable, etc | 04:38 |
| sivang | eh well, I was not really looking to run the whole session, only some selected apps. | 04:45 |
| sivang | jdub: ot | 04:48 |
| sivang | erghh, crappy keyboard. | 04:48 |
| sivang | jdub , daniels : it's amazing how much I learn that I do not yet know just from you answering my questions :) what is bind-mount? | 04:49 |
| sivang | (hmm, maybe mounting my original home folder from the chroot env?...) | 04:50 |
| jdz_ | sivang: mount -o bind /source-location /destination | 04:50 |
| daniels | sivang: it basically glues two locations together | 04:51 |
| daniels | sivang: i have /home/daniels/chroot/hoary-newx/home bind-mounted to /home, so it's like an exactly mirror | 04:51 |
| daniels | sivang: think like a symlink, but works within chroots, etc | 04:51 |
| sivang | daniels: cool, tnx | 04:52 |
| sivang | daniels: so then for the duration of the bind mount my original home folder "vanishes" and the chroot one is used instead? | 04:53 |
| daniels | sivang: yeah | 04:53 |
| jdz_ | They both exist :) | 04:53 |
| daniels | /home in the chroot looks exactly like your usual /home | 04:53 |
| daniels | (i assume you mean that the original /home you had in your chroot vanishes) | 04:54 |
| sivang | yes | 04:54 |
| jdz_ | ah, right | 04:54 |
| daniels | right | 04:54 |
| sivang | daniels: so, any breakage I would create in the chroot's home, basically ruins my own home from the main system... | 04:55 |
| sivang | sorry, s/chroot's home/chroot's user home folder/ | 04:55 |
| daniels | sivang: correct | 04:56 |
| sivang | daniels: ok, tnx++ | 04:57 |
| sivang | phew, if you forget the bind mount gnome is also non usable on the other login... | 05:04 |
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| wasabi_ | There some plan for gcc 4.0 anywhere? | 05:17 |
| wasabi_ | =) | 05:17 |
| sivang | wasabi_: shush, don't let fabbione here you, he may be already awake...;-) | 05:18 |
| wasabi_ | haha | 05:18 |
| wasabi_ | I just actually noticed debian has it in experimental. | 05:18 |
| sivang | wasabi_: that's like extra breakage sources for sid right? (it's not somthing more unstable then sid IIRC) | 05:19 |
| wasabi_ | I bet it's in there because of sarge. | 05:20 |
| wasabi_ | woh. it moved. | 05:22 |
| sivang | when I have something like that in the debian/rulez, does that mean it uses cdbs? | 05:34 |
| sivang | include /usr/share/gnome-pkg-tools/1/rules/uploaders.mk | 05:34 |
| sivang | jdub: this is from the g-s-t source pkg. | 05:35 |
| ajmitch | it looks similar to cdbs | 05:36 |
| ajmitch | but is gnome-pkg-tools | 05:36 |
| wasabi_ | That's the peice of the gnome packages that adds the gnome package maintainers to it. | 05:37 |
| wasabi_ | It's an odd setup... Debian's pkg-gnome group. | 05:37 |
| wasabi_ | Packages have a control.in, with @GNOME_UPLOADERS@ in it. | 05:37 |
| wasabi_ | Each member of the pkg-gnome team has their name/email stuck in there. | 05:37 |
| sivang | wierd | 05:38 |
| sivang | wierd | 05:38 |
| wasabi_ | well, it works. It's so each member of the team can upload, but each person can remain the maintainer of their own packages. | 05:38 |
| sivang | wasabi_: the control.in is supposed to be als oin that package? I'll look there.. | 05:38 |
| wasabi_ | The control.in is in the package that uses gnome-pkg-tools. | 05:39 |
| sivang | clean:: | 05:39 |
| sivang | sed "s/@GNOME_TEAM@/$(uploaders)/" \ | 05:39 |
| sivang | debian/control.in > debian/control | 05:39 |
| sivang | yep | 05:40 |
| sivang | boy, emacs has such a nice coloring for make files.. | 05:40 |
| sivang | wasabi_: basically, all those include file and cdbs's are make file classes right? inherent feature of the make lanugage. | 05:41 |
| wasabi_ | yeah | 05:42 |
| sivang | wasabi_: then it's really all sums up to what mdz/jdub said, if you start with reading the make manual, everything will look easier after..;-) | 05:42 |
| sivang | (you have to finish reading it ofcourse) | 05:42 |
| wasabi_ | i never read the thing | 05:44 |
| wasabi_ | i still barely grasp it | 05:44 |
| === wasabi_ compiling gcc-4.0 for hoary | ||
| sivang | wasabi_: so how do you manage to munge your daily dose of pkgs? | 05:45 |
| sivang | cdbs? | 05:46 |
| wasabi_ | eh? | 05:46 |
| wasabi_ | sometimes. | 05:46 |
| wasabi_ | cdbs if possible. | 05:46 |
| sivang | wasabi_: and on the other times? ;) | 05:46 |
| wasabi_ | For Eclipse, cdbs was impossible. | 05:46 |
| wasabi_ | So I learned make. | 05:46 |
| wasabi_ | actually basic make is really easy. | 05:46 |
| wasabi_ | learning how to set up your rules to actually make a package, and understanding debhelper, is a bit harder. | 05:47 |
| sivang | I see. | 05:49 |
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| sivang | wasabi_: so , a quick question, I have a pacakge, all set and building/installing ok, I just want it to install another file in a specific location, how do I add this to the rules/dh_* commands? | 05:52 |
| wasabi_ | just copy it into the temp install directory before you run dh_builddeb | 05:52 |
| wasabi_ | probably using "install" | 05:52 |
| sivang | ok, I'll try that, tnx. | 05:53 |
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| HostingGeek | hey my friend just told me a cool feature redhat has and that is /sbin/services is linked to /etc/init.d/ | 07:18 |
| HostingGeek | so you do services <app> restart... | 07:18 |
| HostingGeek | it makes it a lot easier than typing out /etc/init.d/ | 07:19 |
| HostingGeek | even thought there is tab completion | 07:19 |
| HostingGeek | but i know why redhat did it because they add rc.d | 07:19 |
| HostingGeek | MonoDevelop is broken is this known??? | 07:25 |
| HostingGeek | anyone? | 07:26 |
| daniels | HostingGeek: a) these things are still utterly inappropriate for #ubuntu-devel, b) invoke-rc.d, c) if it's broken, file a bug, don't harass people on irc | 07:28 |
| daniels | we've asked you before repeatedly not to misuse our development channel and make it useless for us | 07:28 |
| HostingGeek | daniels: /msg | 07:28 |
| HostingGeek | daniels: did you ignore me?? why arnt you answer me | 07:34 |
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| crimsun | HostingGeek: your questions tend to be more suitable for #ubuntu (just an observation) | 07:39 |
| HostingGeek | --- Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned). | 07:39 |
| HostingGeek | crimsun: and this is why i keep on msg daniels but he seemed to ignore me | 07:39 |
| daniels | HostingGeek: i don't sit at the computer every waking hour; i was trying to print something | 07:42 |
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| fabbione | hey daniels.. still around? | 07:59 |
| daniels | hey papa | 08:00 |
| daniels | let me test the drm stuff for you | 08:00 |
| fabbione | what's up kid :-) | 08:00 |
| daniels | nommuch man | 08:00 |
| fabbione | no rush.. | 08:00 |
| daniels | just getting read to head out and see a movie | 08:00 |
| fabbione | i just woke up | 08:00 |
| fabbione | eheh cool.. what movie? | 08:01 |
| daniels | ah cool :) | 08:01 |
| daniels | blues brothers, actually | 08:01 |
| fabbione | ehhe | 08:01 |
| daniels | they have the moonlight cinema in this massive park ... portable screen, starts at sunset. | 08:01 |
| daniels | ok, wget'ing now | 08:01 |
| fabbione | oh that's nice... | 08:01 |
| fabbione | daniels: no rush.. i just need to know within 24hours or so | 08:01 |
| fabbione | today is dedicated to the house ;) | 08:02 |
| fabbione | we have almost done with the big stuff in the livingroom | 08:02 |
| fabbione | it's only left to paint the walls and do the small details | 08:02 |
| daniels | oh, nice! | 08:02 |
| daniels | that's awesome | 08:02 |
| fabbione | i still have the glassfilt hitching my skin :-))) | 08:02 |
| daniels | how long will the walls take? | 08:02 |
| fabbione | daniels: 3/4 days | 08:03 |
| fabbione | + another 2/3 days for details | 08:03 |
| fabbione | the real problems are the waiting time for stuff to dry | 08:03 |
| ajmitch | hi fabbione | 08:03 |
| fabbione | otherwise it wouldn't take THAT long | 08:03 |
| daniels | yeah | 08:03 |
| fabbione | hi ajmitch | 08:03 |
| ajmitch | just testing out selinux kernel stuff now | 08:03 |
| daniels | ah, that's good then :) | 08:03 |
| daniels | nice work dude | 08:03 |
| fabbione | thanks :-) | 08:03 |
| fabbione | daniels: i will put up pics when it's done | 08:03 |
| ajmitch | after a number of build failures :) | 08:04 |
| fabbione | you are one of the few that can see the diff ;) | 08:04 |
| daniels | heh heh | 08:04 |
| fabbione | Total 4570 package(s) | 08:04 |
| fabbione | wow.. i already munged 50% of universe | 08:04 |
| fabbione | but there were tons of FTBFS due to missing-deps | 08:04 |
| ajmitch | alright, seeing plenty of audit messages related to tmpfs.. a good sign, I hope | 08:06 |
| daniels | fabbione: hoy crap, that's insane | 08:07 |
| fabbione | why? | 08:07 |
| daniels | fabbione: i thought about cleaning up my room, but then xorg and l-r-m would lose a week of activity | 08:08 |
| fabbione | do you realize that 100% of the big packages are in main? | 08:08 |
| daniels | fabbione: the 50% of universe | 08:08 |
| daniels | mmm, I suppose | 08:08 |
| daniels | but there are still like a few gcc versions | 08:08 |
| fabbione | daniels: only 2.. | 08:08 |
| fabbione | 2.95 and 3.2 | 08:08 |
| fabbione | that for sure are smaller than 3.3 (6 hours to build) | 08:08 |
| daniels | not as bad as I thought then | 08:08 |
| daniels | heh :) | 08:08 |
| fabbione | probably... kernel-image- for sparc | 08:09 |
| fabbione | that is relatively big... | 08:09 |
| fabbione | but there is not much left really | 08:09 |
| daniels | cool, that rocks | 08:09 |
| daniels | you get the fun of qt/kde as well | 08:09 |
| daniels | ah no wait, qt's in main | 08:09 |
| fabbione | and already built :-) | 08:10 |
| fabbione | i know there is a circular build-dep somewhere in kde iirc | 08:10 |
| fabbione | but that needs to be solved manually | 08:10 |
| fabbione | = at the really end | 08:10 |
| daniels | heh | 08:11 |
| fabbione | i need to remember to ask elmo/lamont to publish source-deps | 08:12 |
| fabbione | there is one for debian, but i don't think we have one for us | 08:12 |
| daniels | fabbione: no ABI change for radeon | 08:15 |
| fabbione | cool, does it actually work? | 08:18 |
| daniels | yeah :) | 08:19 |
| fabbione | neat | 08:19 |
| zenrox | what about my vid card | 08:21 |
| zenrox | lol | 08:21 |
| daniels | fabbione: and i915 is fine too | 08:28 |
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| daniels | fabbione: thanks a heap | 08:28 |
| fabbione | daniels: cool, have fun | 08:28 |
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| dholbach | hai | 08:59 |
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| HostingGeek | daniels: can gambas-gtk move into ubuntu already | 10:30 |
| crimsun | HostingGeek: he's away at a movie. | 10:30 |
| HostingGeek | why the hell will anyone want to be stuck with Qt? | 10:30 |
| HostingGeek | crimsun: ok but can we still move it into universe? | 10:30 |
| crimsun | HostingGeek: I don't even see a Debianized GTK portion | 10:31 |
| HostingGeek | weirod | 10:32 |
| HostingGeek | there site says it in debian | 10:32 |
| crimsun | where? | 10:32 |
| crimsun | `apt-cache search gambas|grep gtk' returns nothing. | 10:32 |
| crimsun | note that gambas is already in hoary/universe | 10:33 |
| HostingGeek | look at http://gambas.sourceforge.net/ > Distros & OS | 10:34 |
| HostingGeek | ok | 10:34 |
| HostingGeek | as linex.org is the maintainer for debian | 10:34 |
| HostingGeek | and it is in linex.org 's rep but not in debian | 10:35 |
| HostingGeek | for what ever reason can we just build the source packages from linex.org? | 10:35 |
| crimsun | um, no. We want packages that are held to some QA standard, yanno. | 10:35 |
| HostingGeek | QA? | 10:36 |
| crimsun | you're familiar with quality assurance, correct? | 10:36 |
| HostingGeek | yes | 10:37 |
| HostingGeek | crimsun: linex.org IS the debian maintainer | 10:37 |
| HostingGeek | i check it just now | 10:38 |
| === HostingGeek wonders why linex.org isn't the nvu maintainer | ||
| crimsun | who, Jos L. Redrejo Rodrguez <jredrejo@edu.juntaextremadura.net>? | 10:38 |
| HostingGeek | that linex.org | 10:39 |
| HostingGeek | crimsun: i know from email linex.org over the nvu package | 10:40 |
| crimsun | if he's the maintainer, then ask him why there's no gtk package. | 10:41 |
| crimsun | [in sid] | 10:41 |
| HostingGeek | crimsun: well he is away he has no answered my email from a few weeks ago | 10:42 |
| crimsun | HostingGeek: you could always (re)package it yourself and submit it for MOTU approval. That would speed along the process. | 10:44 |
| HostingGeek | glade package needs rebuilding | 10:45 |
| crimsun | It'd be wise to do thorough lintian checks. | 10:45 |
| HostingGeek | "Couldn't show help file: glade-faq." | 10:45 |
| crimsun | Are you saying Glade needs to be rebuilt in Hoary? | 10:45 |
| HostingGeek | yes | 10:46 |
| HostingGeek | goto glade > faq and you will see that error | 10:47 |
| crimsun | then file a bug on the appropriate packages. | 10:47 |
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| HostingGeek | how the hell am i ment to file a bug if bugzilla is so slow | 10:59 |
| HostingGeek | its been 12min and still haven't be able to file it yet | 11:00 |
| HostingGeek | i have pushed new 8 times in bugzilla its done nothing | 11:03 |
| HostingGeek | am i doing something wrong? | 11:03 |
| HostingGeek | *yes* ok it working | 11:04 |
| dholbach | gambas-1.0-1 seems borked - at least on amd 64 | 11:14 |
| crimsun | dholbach: from hoary/universe? | 11:14 |
| dholbach | sizeof(CLASS) = 256 ! - ERROR: #51: Bad archive: invalid argument | 11:15 |
| dholbach | crimsun: yes | 11:15 |
| === dholbach thinks . o O { what an informative error message } :-) | ||
| crimsun | dholbach: not surprising. | 11:15 |
| dholbach | does "new contact" work for you in evolution? | 11:22 |
| crimsun | dholbach: yes. | 11:23 |
| dholbach | hmmmmmmmmmmmm :-/ | 11:23 |
| dholbach | crimsun: i click the button and nothing happens | 11:24 |
| dholbach | strange | 11:24 |
| crimsun | 2.1.3.2-0ubuntu3 | 11:24 |
| dholbach | crimsun: yes | 11:25 |
| crimsun | I'm sorry, I don't know of amd64 issues. | 11:25 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: hm? evo broken on amd64 again? | 11:28 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: not sure | 11:30 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: doesnt have to be an amd64 issue | 11:30 |
| dholbach | oh... i see: something f.cked up the addressbook: evolution-addressbook-WARNING **: error loading addressbook : e_book_load_uri: no factories available for uri `file:///home/daniel/.evolution/addressbook/local/system' | 11:30 |
| dholbach | hmm | 11:36 |
| HostingGeek | hmm WTF why does when connecting to a ftp server open in firefox? | 11:46 |
| Treenaks | HostingGeek: shy are you asking on a developer channel, instead of a user-support channel? | 11:48 |
| HostingGeek | Treenaks: because someone banned me from #ubuntu and i am showing them that it is a stupid idea as it will mean i'll use this one instead | 11:48 |
| Treenaks | HostingGeek: you know it'll just get you banned here /as well/ | 11:49 |
| HostingGeek | Treenaks: well if you don't want me to ask here then you'll have to unban me from #ubuntu and i'll stop asking here | 11:50 |
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| thom | seb128: what's wrong with firefox? (and no, i don't mind) | 12:34 |
| seb128 | thom: bah, you have not add typeaheadfind to the list of extensions in debian/rules so basically the changes are not used :p | 12:34 |
| seb128 | s/add/added/ | 12:35 |
| seb128 | thom: BTW chpe has updated the patch (added 2 little change) | 12:35 |
| seb128 | thom: all these change are just here to get a typeaheadfind which doesn't conflict with the firefox find stuff ... but you still need to build typefindahead :) | 12:36 |
| thom | oh, doh | 12:37 |
| thom | i can do that now | 12:37 |
| seb128 | bah | 12:37 |
| thom | or you can | 12:37 |
| thom | either way | 12:37 |
| seb128 | gnome.org is down | 12:37 |
| seb128 | I've the changes here, I've built a new package | 12:38 |
| thom | go for it then | 12:38 |
| seb128 | so if you want I can go ahead with it | 12:38 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:38 |
| seb128 | BTW how do you handle the changes ? you patch directly the sources ? | 12:38 |
| thom | yeah | 12:38 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:39 |
| thom | (it's a total pain, but so's trying to maintain a patch system when debin maints don't want it | 12:39 |
| seb128 | right | 12:40 |
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| dholbach | i'll be back later... bye | 01:20 |
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| jdub | seb128: you read gnome-vfs-list? | 01:54 |
| ogra | morning... | 01:54 |
| jdub | thom: so with firefox... :o | 01:54 |
| seb128 | jdub: yep, why ? | 01:54 |
| jdub | thom: what are the chances of getting... pango patches for interesting script (indic, arabic) love; either industrial or the other gtk-like theme (which uses icon themes directly?); gnome native filechooser and printing patches? | 01:55 |
| jdub | seb128: seen nielsen's patches? | 01:55 |
| seb128 | jdub: yep, waiting for alex's comments since the patch is not trivial :) | 01:56 |
| jdub | cool | 01:56 |
| seb128 | jdub: make me remember than I've a patch for libsmbclient to upload | 01:56 |
| jdub | sweet ;) | 01:56 |
| seb128 | (patch from the previous work from nielsen for the smb authentification) | 01:57 |
| seb128 | BTW has somebody tested smb with the current gnomevfs ? the authentification patch is already in and should improve things | 01:58 |
| jdub | i'll have a play here, kind of a boring network though ;) | 02:00 |
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| thom | jdub: pango patches are in, just need turning on; I'll look at marco's patches for gtk-icon-theme love; firefox has the gnome filechooser dunnit? (don't know about printing, got a url?) | 03:14 |
| jdub | thom: elite! | 03:14 |
| jdub | firefox doesn't have the gnome filechooser without the fedora/novell patches | 03:14 |
| jdub | i think you'll find the printing patches in fedora, too | 03:15 |
| thom | oh, no, so it doesn't | 03:15 |
| thom | right, will review those | 03:15 |
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| thom | (i think gtk-icon-theme support is more useful than garret's industrial theme, right?) | 03:16 |
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| jdub | thom: (i was thinking the same thing) | 03:17 |
| jdub | thom: (but i haven't seen it in action) | 03:17 |
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| ogra | gah....warning: implicit declaration of function `strndup' | 03:27 |
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| ogra | how does one declare a function not implicit ? | 03:27 |
| azeem | you #include the correct header file | 03:28 |
| azeem | man strndup should tell you which | 03:28 |
| thom | ogra: also, strndup isn't portable, it's a gnu extension | 03:29 |
| azeem | that's what gnulib is for, I guess | 03:30 |
| ogra | thom: its just for my ubuntu lockscreen hack, i doubt it will get used anywhere else....so nongnu wont be a prob | 03:30 |
| smurfix | azeem: ? it's in glibc | 03:30 |
| thom | ah, fair enough | 03:30 |
| azeem | smurfix: or that | 03:31 |
| thom | ogra: anyway, string.h and #define _GNU_SOURCE | 03:31 |
| jbailey | smurfix: Portability, good. =) | 03:31 |
| smurfix | thom: the other way round, actually ;-) | 03:31 |
| ogra | great, thanks :-D | 03:31 |
| azeem | smurfix: it was my understanding that gnulib includes the gnu extensions so you can have them on non-glibc systems | 03:32 |
| mjg59 | Argh. | 03:32 |
| mjg59 | There's no real chance of there being ACPI smart battery support integrated into the kernel before Hoary | 03:32 |
| mjg59 | Which isn't an issue in itself - we can add it with a patch | 03:33 |
| mjg59 | But the smart battery code presents different information in a different place to the control method battery code | 03:33 |
| thom | jbailey: i'm planning to start scribbling about server team stuff monday or so; today is building furniture day | 03:33 |
| mjg59 | So the battery status app would have to be updated | 03:33 |
| mjg59 | Opinions? | 03:33 |
| thom | mjg59: "Argh." summed it up quite nicely | 03:33 |
| smurfix | azeem: only for non-glibc systems; on Linux it doesn' make sense to duplicate what's already in glibc | 03:33 |
| azeem | smurfix: eh, sure | 03:34 |
| azeem | thom was talking about portability, though | 03:34 |
| jbailey | azeem: That's the general idea. You put in configure hackery so that it uses glibc when possible. | 03:34 |
| jbailey | thom: a'ight. It was mostly the, "I'd like to be involved in this, I think I had alot to add"... | 03:34 |
| mjg59 | thom: It should be a simple matter of coding | 03:35 |
| thom | mjg59: seriously, though, are the benefits of smart battery support worthwhile enough to do this before hoary? | 03:35 |
| mjg59 | If we do it, Acer owners get battery status. If we don't, they don't. | 03:35 |
| thom | mjg59: ... the "simple matter of coding" list is getting quite long ;-) | 03:35 |
| thom | jbailey: nod | 03:35 |
| mjg59 | Ha. No, it's just going to be populating some structs in gnome-battery-applet | 03:36 |
| jbailey | thom: In which timezone are you? | 03:36 |
| mjg59 | Ooh, rock | 03:36 |
| thom | jbailey: GMT | 03:36 |
| mjg59 | HAL CVS has ACPI/PMU support | 03:36 |
| jdub | oooh | 03:37 |
| mjg59 | Shame about the lack of APM, but still | 03:37 |
| jdub | SHINY! | 03:37 |
| thom | mjg59: oh, it landed? sweet! | 03:37 |
| sjoerd | mjg59: no it has not | 03:37 |
| fabbione | we should rename hoary to hoacpiry | 03:37 |
| fabbione | we more acpi support than any distro out there | 03:38 |
| jdub | fabbione: hnoapicoary | 03:38 |
| fabbione | apic != acpi :) | 03:38 |
| jdub | but it's the universal solution :) | 03:38 |
| mjg59 | There's also been some progress on the Thinkpad excessive power draw stuff | 03:39 |
| fabbione | isn't apic = advanced programmable interrupt controller or something like that? | 03:39 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: Yup | 03:39 |
| mjg59 | noapic shouldn't be necessary on post-2.6.8 in general - the kernel no longer turns it on unless the BIOS did | 03:40 |
| jdub | mjg59: rawk, | 03:40 |
| jdub | s/,/./ | 03:40 |
| sjoerd | mjg59: apm stuff in hal should be easy though | 03:40 |
| fabbione | mjg59: oh.. well it's an option we can fry away our configs you know :-) | 03:40 |
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| no0tic | hi | 03:40 |
| mjg59 | sjoerd: Yeah | 03:40 |
| fabbione | mjg59: anyway.. next kernel new dri no ABI change ;) | 03:40 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: Fucking rock | 03:40 |
| fabbione | mjg59: it was easy.. | 03:41 |
| fabbione | just a 2 lines change to revert the 4layer memory mm | 03:41 |
| no0tic | thunderbird italian localization is stuck at version 0.9.99, and won't install with thunderbird 1.0 | 03:42 |
| no0tic | is help needed for translating? | 03:42 |
| seb128 | lamont: here ? | 03:42 |
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| mjg59 | thom: We should probably post that PM stuff to -devel and get some feedback | 03:49 |
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| thom | mjg59: indeed | 04:07 |
| thom | Mithrandir: "gosh" | 04:07 |
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| pitti | Hi abelli! | 04:10 |
| pitti | abelli: is your kernel happy now? | 04:10 |
| abelli | actually im on the -2 now.. | 04:11 |
| abelli | ...CIAOOOO pitti | 04:11 |
| abelli | but it still have some problems with the frame buffer | 04:12 |
| abelli | the wifi, is ok now | 04:12 |
| pitti | abelli: me too, but I have no idea how to fix it | 04:12 |
| abelli | and im "spreading your word" | 04:12 |
| abelli | ive asked how to do it... to the consolle project... | 04:13 |
| pitti | abelli: however, I hope to finish the porting to the current hoary kernel soon | 04:13 |
| abelli | pitti: i hope someday ill be able to help you... :) | 04:13 |
| abelli | s/ill/to | 04:13 |
| mjg59 | Argle. | 04:15 |
| mjg59 | So, we want Thinkpads to suspend without consuming large amounts of power, right? | 04:15 |
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| abelli | why not? | 04:16 |
| abelli | :) | 04:16 |
| mjg59 | Option 1: Fix radeonfb and use it by default on Thinkpads with Radeons | 04:21 |
| mjg59 | (downside: arse to get the backlight back on afterwards) | 04:21 |
| mjg59 | Option 2: Write small module to do Radeon power management | 04:22 |
| mjg59 | (downside: makes it hard for people to use radeonfb) | 04:22 |
| mjg59 | Hrm. I probably need to talk to benh. | 04:34 |
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| daniels | mjg59: i like #2 | 04:39 |
| mjg59 | daniels: Ok. Easiest way of doing this is to have a module that binds to the radeon PCI ids and has stub PCI suspend/resume routines to set the device to D3 | 04:45 |
| mjg59 | Then we just have to try to reboot it on resume | 04:45 |
| mjg59 | But I need to speak to benh to find out if that's sufficient | 04:45 |
| daniels | it sounds pretty sensible to me | 04:48 |
| daniels | but then again, I am not benh, so it may be completely wack :) | 04:48 |
| daniels | i'll tell you one thing that isn't, though -- bed | 04:48 |
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| dholbach | re | 04:53 |
| ogra | hi :) | 04:53 |
| jdub | mjg59: so you reckon i can suspend-to-ram my desktop? :) | 05:02 |
| mjg59 | jdub: It's worth a go | 05:02 |
| mjg59 | Hmm. I should really register for LCA | 05:02 |
| jdub | what's the manual way of kicking suspend-to-ram? | 05:02 |
| mjg59 | If you don't have a sleep button, then try sudo /etc/acpi/sleep.sh | 05:03 |
| jdub | ok, will try | 05:03 |
| no0tic | fglrx keeps breaking resume? | 05:03 |
| jdub | going to be regardless though | 05:03 |
| jdub | mjg59: oh, interaction with nvidia driver? | 05:04 |
| mjg59 | Likely to suck | 05:04 |
| jdub | heh | 05:04 |
| jdub | here goes | 05:04 |
| jdub | night | 05:04 |
| mjg59 | no0tic: fglrx stands no real chance whatsoever across suspend/resume | 05:04 |
| jdub | hrm | 05:05 |
| jdub | doesn't seem to do anything | 05:05 |
| mjg59 | Anything in demsg? | 05:05 |
| jdub | nup | 05:05 |
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| jdub | just an old usb disconnect message | 05:06 |
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| mjg59 | Interesting. | 05:06 |
| mjg59 | Can you edit /etc/acpi/sleep.sh and add set -x just before it starts running commands? | 05:06 |
| jdub | oh | 05:06 |
| jdub | hold on | 05:06 |
| jdub | heh | 05:06 |
| jdub | # Uncomment the next line to enable ACPI suspend to RAM | 05:06 |
| jdub | #ACPI_SLEEP=true | 05:06 |
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| jdub | ^ important point | 05:06 |
| jdub | night :-) | 05:07 |
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| mjg59 | Haha | 05:07 |
| jdub | didn't work | 05:09 |
| dholbach | oh this is funny: evolution-data-server talks a bit in dmesg too: evolution-data-[8358] trap divide error rip:2a9555e6cd rsp:7fbffff340 error:0 | 05:09 |
| mjg59 | jdub: Failure mode? | 05:09 |
| jdub | didn't even get usb key/mouse or network love when it came up | 05:09 |
| jdub | let alone video | 05:09 |
| mjg59 | Oh, it suspended but didn't resume? | 05:10 |
| jdub | yeah | 05:10 |
| mjg59 | Right. Hrm. | 05:10 |
| jdub | (both suspend and hibernate work very nicely in windows, if that's an even remotely useful datapoint) | 05:11 |
| mjg59 | Haha | 05:12 |
| mjg59 | Hibernation ought to work | 05:12 |
| no0tic | mjg59: hibernation works also here with radeon (acer aspire 1350 series) | 05:14 |
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| no0tic | brb | 05:14 |
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| no0tic | re | 05:21 |
| no0tic | can fglrx & radeon coexist? | 05:21 |
| no0tic | can I create 2 different config files? one for fglrx & one for radeon and switch from one to the other restarting X? | 05:22 |
| lamont | seb128: back on much later today | 05:27 |
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| thom | seb128: do you want to leave firefox till monday and let me do it? | 05:39 |
| pitti | lamont: Hi! Out of interest, to the buildds already strip? | 05:39 |
| pitti | lamont: s/to/do/ | 05:39 |
| ogra | pitti... got a sec for PM ? | 05:40 |
| pitti | ogra: PM? | 05:40 |
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| Mithrandir | rock! svn seems to be b0rken on amd64. | 05:58 |
| Mithrandir | at least libapache-mod-svn | 05:59 |
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| seb128 | thom: I've it ready to upload here, I just had to go and wanted to run a quick diff with the previous version to be sure | 06:49 |
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| Riddell | lamont: any idea what the status of kdebindings is on ia64? there no log and other platforms succeeded an hour ago | 07:31 |
| azeem | man, you Ubuntu guys are spoilt | 07:33 |
| ogra | azeem: because we have a lamont and elmo ? | 07:34 |
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| mdz | jdub: you have received the title of "all-familiar Ubuntu man" | 08:21 |
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| robertj_ | heya all, question: should I file a bug about the 30 boot fsck | 08:41 |
| robertj_ | I mean, it's really no fun for laptops | 08:42 |
| ogra | robertj_: who reboots his laptop if suspend works ? | 08:42 |
| robertj_ | ogra: well, it's still bad, and mine still does'nt work | 08:43 |
| robertj_ | I thought it did | 08:43 |
| thom | robertj_: current fsck won't run when you're on battery | 08:43 |
| thom | so it's not an issue | 08:43 |
| robertj_ | thom: maybe something didn't upgrade right? | 08:43 |
| ogra | robertj_: mine neither (because i use nvidia drivers) | 08:43 |
| robertj_ | i dist-upgraded less than a week agp | 08:43 |
| robertj_ | err ago | 08:43 |
| robertj_ | ogra: radeon here | 08:43 |
| ogra | robertj_: binary drivers ? | 08:44 |
| robertj_ | ogra: whatever ships by default | 08:44 |
| robertj_ | but I do have multiverse in so ... | 08:44 |
| ogra | robertj_: ah, so the free ones :) | 08:44 |
| robertj_ | anything I should check to see what's causing the problem? | 08:45 |
| ogra | robertj_: with the binary ones its unlikely that susped will work :( | 08:45 |
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| thom | """ | 08:45 |
| thom | * E2fsck will try to avoid doing a forced filesystem chcek if a system | 08:45 |
| thom | is running on batteries according to APM or ACPI. (Closes: #205177) | 08:45 |
| thom | """ | 08:45 |
| thom | From an e2fsprogs upload in November | 08:46 |
| ogra | robertj_: you can adjus it | 08:46 |
| ogra | adjust even | 08:46 |
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| robertj_ | ogra: adjust what? | 08:46 |
| robertj_ | but it did fsck on battery | 08:46 |
| ogra | robertj_: the 30 reboot fsck | 08:47 |
| robertj_ | yeah | 08:47 |
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| robertj_ | G3 ibook | 08:47 |
| robertj_ | i'd prefer my desktop machine not fsck either | 08:47 |
| ogra | robertj_: man tune2fs | 08:47 |
| thom | robertj_: it's possible that we need to load modules or do something smarter, but the code is there | 08:47 |
| robertj_ | ogra: I just mean by default | 08:47 |
| ogra | robertj_: even if its annoyin to get a check after 30 mounts, i prefer a consisten fs ;) | 08:48 |
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| ogra | consistent... | 08:48 |
| robertj_ | ogra: why is your fs getting corrupted? | 08:48 |
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| ogra | robertj_: no, but a check more cant be bad :) | 08:48 |
| robertj_ | yes it can | 08:48 |
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| robertj_ | say you are in a hurry | 08:49 |
| robertj_ | then waiting would be bad | 08:49 |
| thom | robertj_: i don't think it's something we want to turn off by default | 08:49 |
| ogra | robertj_: i like the data on my hd, so getting told that everything is in order is just fine | 08:49 |
| thom | we'd love to see it be interuptible, patches accepted | 08:49 |
| robertj_ | thom: I support a 100 mac users and they have never had any problems with file integrity on OS X except for one issue I heard about where after an upgrade ever drive from a particular manufacturer got corrupted | 08:50 |
| robertj_ | thom: on the disk applet it would be a really nice option | 08:50 |
| robertj_ | check here to check the disk panel every 30 boots/10 days/whatever | 08:50 |
| robertj_ | check here to mail this address when SMART indicates a problem | 08:51 |
| ogra | SMART should get a dbus message that pops up automatically..... | 08:51 |
| ogra | as a full disk should have | 08:52 |
| robertj_ | ogra: yeah | 08:53 |
| thom | robertj_: sounds great, looking forward to the patch ;-) | 08:53 |
| robertj_ | hehe | 08:53 |
| ogra | *g* | 08:53 |
| thom | robertj_: seriously though, i've seen just about every filesystem blow up, journalled or not (HFS+ with journal included) | 08:53 |
| robertj_ | "Your disk is about to die. Turn off your computer and call an expert." | 08:53 |
| ogra | robertj_: i would implement these two for hoary, but i'm busy with something else.... | 08:53 |
| ogra | robertj_: your disk is about 95% full !! | 08:54 |
| robertj_ | thom: seen stable machines have stuff eaten for lunch? | 08:54 |
| ogra | robertj_: like irix does :) | 08:54 |
| robertj_ | ogra: irix has implemented dbus ;) | 08:55 |
| ogra | robertj_: yup :) | 08:55 |
| robertj_ | home users just don't want to wait though | 08:55 |
| ogra | robertj_: and inotify ...and fam....thats where they come from.... | 08:55 |
| robertj_ | if the file system really does go nutz, that's the problem, not the failure to check | 08:56 |
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| ogra | robertj_: so get aboard and implement it for them: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU | 08:56 |
| ogra | ;) | 08:56 |
| robertj_ | ogra: i'm sure I actually could manage to hack out the fsck checks by default, but if everyone doesn't agree it would be rather pointless | 08:57 |
| ogra | robertj_:fsck isnt universe :-P | 08:57 |
| thom | robertj_: the thing to do, is to ensure that fsck runs in the foreground and make sure it copes with being ctrl+c'd | 08:57 |
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| robertj_ | thom: it does cope well for servers | 08:58 |
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| robertj_ | but not for desktops, but what's right for desktops aint for servers | 08:58 |
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| thom | robertj_: eh? | 08:58 |
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| thom | robertj_: can you ctrl+c fsck while it's running in init currently? | 08:58 |
| ogra | thom: shouldnt be a prob since it is able to cope with ctrl-c if being run manually | 08:58 |
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| robertj_ | thom: yes, but it wont boot | 08:59 |
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| robertj_ | it drops you to a single user console | 08:59 |
| thom | exactly | 08:59 |
| robertj_ | ro | 08:59 |
| thom | robertj_: make it not do that, or make it optional | 08:59 |
| robertj_ | I mean, so it works, but it's not the "working" my Dad would consider working | 08:59 |
| thom | we're on the same page | 08:59 |
| robertj_ | yeah | 08:59 |
| robertj_ | thom: oh btw, usb keyboards dont work at that point | 09:00 |
| robertj_ | unless they are in legacy mode | 09:00 |
| ogra | robertj_: hmm, does your dad know about ctrl-c ? | 09:00 |
| robertj_ | so if you wanted to opt out, you couldn't | 09:00 |
| thom | that would seem like the optimal solution... | 09:00 |
| thom | meh | 09:00 |
| robertj_ | thom: why should the fs be randomly corrupted though unless it's a hardware problem? And if it's a hardware problem, wouldn't bringing the machine down for a reboot be the wrong choice of action | 09:01 |
| robertj_ | I'm not an expert here by an means | 09:02 |
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| robertj_ | but you got to spin the drive around sometime to get the data off unless you have a _lot_ of money and time | 09:02 |
| thom | robertj_: the timed checks just help to ensure correctness; what's the old saw about "an apple a day keeps the doctor away"? | 09:03 |
| ogra | heh | 09:03 |
| robertj_ | it's annoying and probably not that helpful to 99% of people | 09:03 |
| thom | i think most people don't actually care, tbh | 09:03 |
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| thom | it's not like it actually takes that long on modern hardware | 09:04 |
| ogra | robertj_: its not more annoying then a virus check once a week (over all files on your 80Gig disk) | 09:04 |
| robertj_ | just remember that anyone supporting any kind of non-technical user will get called in to look anytime usersplash boot is interrupted | 09:04 |
| robertj_ | and virus check runs at night or what not | 09:05 |
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| robertj_ | but most people don't have a reboot in cron | 09:05 |
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| robertj_ | ogra: I honesty can stay I never see my machines to virus checks | 09:11 |
| robertj_ | f-secure is a great product for what it does | 09:11 |
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| ogra | robertj_: yup, but my GF wants to see directly if viruses are detected, so the check is run on saturday evening every weeeeek | 09:12 |
| Riddell | groovy, kdebindings compiled | 09:13 |
| Riddell | lamont: could you put back amarok on amd64? or will it do that itself? | 09:13 |
| robertj_ | ogra: well it prompts you if it finds it | 09:13 |
| robertj_ | when is usually when you try to open the attachment | 09:14 |
| sivang | pitti: ping | 09:14 |
| robertj_ | finding this a week later is not the best way to do it | 09:14 |
| ogra | robertj_: sh likes to watchit work ;) | 09:14 |
| pitti | sivang: pong | 09:14 |
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| ogra | she even | 09:14 |
| robertj_ | but anyway, I think schedule fscks on by default just aren't right for most desktop users | 09:14 |
| ogra | sivang: i have looked at the server page....its ok this far.... | 09:14 |
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| sivang | pitti: Just seen the post about the locales depends for the language packs, maybe there is a possibility of of asking the user when installing the pack if he wants his locale modified and created? | 09:15 |
| robertj_ | anything that can be reasonably done after bootup is good, but by default anything that could disrupt their non-gui experience is a bad thing if it can be at all avoided | 09:15 |
| ogra | ARGH | 09:16 |
| pitti | sivang: nooooooo | 09:16 |
| pitti | sivang: this is not what debconf is for | 09:16 |
| ogra | did anybody ever check this ubuntuguide ? | 09:16 |
| pitti | sivang: the locale can be created without asking | 09:16 |
| ogra | http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories | 09:16 |
| pitti | sivang: but the default locale should not be modified | 09:16 |
| pitti | sivang: you can easily set it in gdm, or if you want, with dpkg-reconfigure locales | 09:17 |
| sivang | pitti:I know that, but I was thinking maybe there is an automatic way to do this for the "uninitiated" localized distros..;-) | 09:17 |
| pitti | sivang: but you can already set the default locale in the installer | 09:18 |
| sivang | pitti: ah ok, then, I would love you to show me this - I'd like to create a proof of concept dervied livecd/installer cd | 09:18 |
| sivang | pitti: (localized) | 09:18 |
| ogra | OMG, anybody following this guide will totally f**ck his system with marillat stable unstable and testing anebled at the same time and the backports in... | 09:19 |
| pitti | sivang: but AFAIK the live cd also uses some degenerated sort of installer, right? | 09:19 |
| ogra | gah | 09:19 |
| sivang | pitti: yes ;-) | 09:19 |
| pitti | sivang: so this installer should ask for the default locale | 09:20 |
| pitti | sivang: (which is to be put into /etc/environment) | 09:20 |
| sivang | pitti: hmm, ok, when the kbd selector is done, this is all redundent. You are right! | 09:20 |
| sivang | pitti: (new kbd selector smurifx is working on would guess the person's locale) | 09:20 |
| pitti | sivang: s/ask/determine and set it/ | 09:20 |
| sivang | pitti: yep, ok, it's all matter of waiting for this to be ready, cool enough. I shall respond to that person post then, explainig this. He is very keen to have this added to the language pack. | 09:21 |
| pitti | sivang: as I already replied, I think it makes perfect sense to generate the relevant locales in the langpacks | 09:22 |
| sivang | pitti: so you're saying to move the locale generation from the installer to the langpack based on the info that the intelligent kbd chooser put in /etc/evnironment? | 09:25 |
| sivang | pitti: (thus eliminating the need for dpkg-reconfigure locales manually) | 09:25 |
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| pitti | sivang: hmm, not quite. /etc/environment handles the default, and this should be set in the installer | 09:26 |
| pitti | sivang: and this default can be changed with e. g. dpkg-reconfigure locales | 09:27 |
| pitti | sivang: and I am still not sure about who does the locale generations; eventually it might get thrown out of the "locales" package | 09:27 |
| sivang | pitti: ok, I just understood from your last email that you don't think that the locale generation should happen on installation of the langpacks.. | 09:34 |
| sivang | pitti: I understood wrongly then ;-) | 09:35 |
| abelli | ciao, buona notte, im off | 09:43 |
| pitti | abelli: cu | 09:43 |
| abelli | ciao pitti | 09:44 |
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| sivang | eh, quite sunday evening in u-d..;-) | 10:09 |
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| ajmitch | or monday morning for us unfortunates | 10:10 |
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| ogra | ogra land is at 22:10 | 10:11 |
| === ajmitch is fighting with udev :) | ||
| sivang | sivang land is 23:18 | 10:18 |
| HrdwrBoB | bobland is 0818 | 10:19 |
| === ogra would love to be in bobland, even if its monday there :) | ||
| HrdwrBoB | haha yes but I have to go to work, where I have to deal with people, before midday! it's inhumane | 10:20 |
| ogra | hehe | 10:20 |
| ogra | but pay your rent, doesnt it ? | 10:20 |
| ogra | pays even | 10:20 |
| HrdwrBoB | yes, that it does :) | 10:20 |
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| HrdwrBoB | ah, I don't hate mine so much, though I will probably have to leave (I'm a contractor now, when the job goes fulltime the salary will go down >25%) | 10:22 |
| ogra | HrdwrBoB: btw, why are you not a MOTU yet ? you do a lot for ubuntu .... | 10:22 |
| ogra | HrdwrBoB: yeah, consuling pays :) | 10:23 |
| HrdwrBoB | I dunno I just hang around and help people with stuff | 10:24 |
| HrdwrBoB | :) | 10:24 |
| ogra | go on, join in :) | 10:24 |
| HrdwrBoB | I'll see about it later :) in the meantime, my tram is waiting | 10:26 |
| HrdwrBoB | catch you later | 10:26 |
| ogra | ciao | 10:26 |
| srbaker | so i want to take evolution, rip out the mail client, and make it use rubrica for address book. | 10:27 |
| srbaker | anyone know the evo code well enough to know whether or not that's feasable? | 10:27 |
| srbaker | balsa is a little uh, strange | 10:28 |
| Mithrandir | srbaker: just replace the addressbook backend, very much feasible. | 10:28 |
| srbaker | hrm. | 10:29 |
| Mithrandir | srbaker: bit of work, though. And you want to do it in evolution-data-server, naturally | 10:29 |
| Mithrandir | and you want to add a new type, not remove the current one | 10:29 |
| srbaker | well, i hate evolution. but i think it would make a good mail client ot start from | 10:29 |
| srbaker | i quit using evo in favour of balsa. and balsa is quirky, too | 10:38 |
| srbaker | are there any Free groupware servers that evo can talk to? | 10:39 |
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| thom | hrm, http://www.clearairturbulence.org/new-ikea-stuff/img002.jpeg.html ; it's not a bad collection | 11:05 |
| HrdwrBoB | thom: that's very similar to http://hrdwrbob.net/gallery/table/p1010028 this one | 11:08 |
| HrdwrBoB | though that's My Fiances desk, so she's only got one machine | 11:09 |
| thom | HrdwrBoB: heh | 11:10 |
| thom | i'm kinda scared that i only had a laptop 12 months ago | 11:11 |
| kent | thom, is that two Billy's? the ones you have the books in. I have two of them myself (they are called Billy at Ikea in sweden) | 11:11 |
| HrdwrBoB | the desk is jerker | 11:12 |
| thom | kent: exactly those, yes | 11:12 |
| thom | HrdwrBoB: yeah | 11:12 |
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| mjg59 | thom: http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/junk.jpg | 11:21 |
| HrdwrBoB | haha that desk looks more like mine | 11:22 |
| HrdwrBoB | large piles of detritus | 11:23 |
| mjg59 | That's /after/ I cleaned everything | 11:26 |
| thom | mjg59: heh | 11:29 |
| thom | my a500 is out of shot | 11:29 |
| kent | mjg59, that bottle of wine makes it soo romantic ;) | 11:29 |
| thom | i've not worked out where to put it | 11:29 |
| thom | (pa-risc, not amoeba) | 11:29 |
| mjg59 | kent: What you can only just make out is the bottle of vintage port behind the keyboard... | 11:31 |
| kent | vintage port? | 11:33 |
| mjg59 | Yeah | 11:33 |
| kent | it is some kind of red wine right? i didn't understod if you corrected me for being wrong about the wine or not :( | 11:34 |
| mjg59 | Oh, sorry - there's a bottle of wine next to the speaker, and underneath that there's a rather nice bottle of vintage port | 11:35 |
| kent | mjg59, i dont realy fancy red wine. Im more a white wine person. I have a bottle of "Franconia Silvaner 2002" in my room. It tasted very good, :) | 11:40 |
| sivang | mjg59: do you recall the module you told me need to be added to the Xorg.conf for nv driver to work with higher reolutions then 640x480? (now that susped works with nv) | 11:41 |
| mjg59 | sivang: Uh, not off-hand I'm afraid | 11:41 |
| HrdwrBoB | ahh, red wine is fine .. white wine makes me stop breating (allergic), but mead is excellent | 11:42 |
| mjg59 | The problem is probably that you've got missing modelines in your Xorg.conf | 11:42 |
| sivang | mjg59: yes, so did daniel commented about this | 11:42 |
| mjg59 | Best bet is to wait for daniels to show up, he's been working on this | 11:42 |
| sivang | mjg59: ok, cool. | 11:42 |
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