[12:12] ogra: knoppix has an ltsp server inbox? [12:12] ogra: that is, in box [12:12] it once had... i hvent seen knoppix since about two years... [12:22] sleep tight guys - i'm off to bed :-) [12:23] dholbach: night! [12:23] bye sivang, sleep tight :-) [12:23] yay, gnome-cups-manager identifed my HP printer now! cooool [12:23] dholbach: oviderzane! [12:24] (I probably have MANY mistaked there) [12:24] night daniel [12:25] mdz: ping again, would you like to send me a suggestin script for localizing the livecd? or is it a matter of installing language-support-XX into the cloop compressed img? [12:26] mdz: I want to fill up the localization section also. [12:26] sivang: wow... if you pronounce "oviderzane" in english, it's nearly right :-) [12:26] sivang: slow down; those packages were not even available until a few days ago [12:26] sivang: we spell it "auf wiedersehen" in german :-) [12:28] dholbach: this is how i hear it :) [12:29] sivang: learning german ? [12:29] sivang: i didnt say it was wrong :-) === siretart [siretart@tauware.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aj [aj-irc@azure.humbug.org.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjt [~mjt@nat.corpit.ru] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] ogra: trying hehe ;-) wish I knew some more.. [12:31] ssh ogra@sivang apt-get install language-support-de [12:31] ;) [12:36] dholbach: ok === robertj [~robertj@66-188-77-153.cpe.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [doko@dsl-082-082-207-110.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~martin@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE000ded9d787c-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === buga [burjang@pandora.inf.elte.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martink [~martin@pD9EB3890.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] ogra: does it habve anyting inside it already? [12:47] language-support-de ? [12:47] dunno.... [12:47] ogra: oh , it has some things in it already :) I am now installing [12:48] sivang: it was a joke ;) [12:48] sivang: i was installing it on you via ssh.... === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdz_ [~jdz@chpau.oxfordnetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-41-179.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [~ogra@p508EACD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-215-77-138.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macewan [~macewan@ip68-101-19-222.nc.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] should python-xdg be expected to work? if that python module has support for the new freedesktop menu, then a simply menueditor for gnome should not be so hard to write? [01:48] ogra: take a look at wiki/ServerTeam, would like to hear some thoughts [01:49] (everybody else are also welcome) [01:49] GOOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS! [01:50] jdub: MORNING! [01:50] jdub: wiki/ServerTeam [01:50] lo jdub [01:50] jdub: what about the pantalones? [01:51] later in the day :) [01:51] jdub: heheh [01:52] howdy :) === jdz_ wants to learn how to make a .deb today [01:53] yo jdz_ === sivang is after jdz_ in line ;-) === jaco [~jaco@host42-20.pool80117.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [~stratus@200.216.16.154] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TerminX [~terminx@terminx.envision7.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lexhider [~lexhider@dip-220-235-87-234.vic.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:20] FTBS, can someone please define? [03:21] Perhaps you mean FTBFS? [03:22] probably, although the email I'm reading says FTBS, I don't know what either mean. [03:22] Failed to build from source for one, not sure about the other [03:23] thanks [03:25] I'll also add to glossary page on wiki === lexhider [~lexhider@dip-220-235-87-234.vic.westnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:49] whoa [04:19] can someone suggest why I am not able to run g-s-t::users-admin from within my hoary chroot? [04:24] jdub: you have an idea why is needed to do in order to run X/GNOME clients under a chroot? [04:26] a crap load of everything [04:27] you're better off using a debootstrapped chroot than a minimal chroot [04:27] or uml or something [04:27] first problem is that you won't have access to the display [04:28] jdub: well, if you bind-mount $HOME, you get ~/.Xauthority [04:28] (don't forget to bind-mount /tmp/.X11-unix for the transport) [04:28] yeah, but that's just the start ;) [04:31] well, running GNOME can be a pain [04:32] never really did work out how to run multiple GNOME sessions as the same user on the same machine [04:32] (different $DISPLAYs, obviously) [04:38] oh, thats a big proublem [04:38] with a 2nd gnome login, most of the applets are dead, genearly looks horable, etc [04:45] eh well, I was not really looking to run the whole session, only some selected apps. [04:48] jdub: ot [04:48] erghh, crappy keyboard. [04:49] jdub , daniels : it's amazing how much I learn that I do not yet know just from you answering my questions :) what is bind-mount? [04:50] (hmm, maybe mounting my original home folder from the chroot env?...) [04:50] sivang: mount -o bind /source-location /destination [04:51] sivang: it basically glues two locations together [04:51] sivang: i have /home/daniels/chroot/hoary-newx/home bind-mounted to /home, so it's like an exactly mirror [04:51] sivang: think like a symlink, but works within chroots, etc [04:52] daniels: cool, tnx [04:53] daniels: so then for the duration of the bind mount my original home folder "vanishes" and the chroot one is used instead? [04:53] sivang: yeah [04:53] They both exist :) [04:53] /home in the chroot looks exactly like your usual /home [04:54] (i assume you mean that the original /home you had in your chroot vanishes) [04:54] yes [04:54] ah, right [04:54] right [04:55] daniels: so, any breakage I would create in the chroot's home, basically ruins my own home from the main system... [04:55] sorry, s/chroot's home/chroot's user home folder/ [04:56] sivang: correct [04:57] daniels: ok, tnx++ [05:04] phew, if you forget the bind mount gnome is also non usable on the other login... === OddAbe19 [~OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:17] There some plan for gcc 4.0 anywhere? [05:17] =) [05:18] wasabi_: shush, don't let fabbione here you, he may be already awake...;-) [05:18] haha [05:18] I just actually noticed debian has it in experimental. [05:19] wasabi_: that's like extra breakage sources for sid right? (it's not somthing more unstable then sid IIRC) [05:20] I bet it's in there because of sarge. [05:22] woh. it moved. [05:34] when I have something like that in the debian/rulez, does that mean it uses cdbs? [05:34] include /usr/share/gnome-pkg-tools/1/rules/uploaders.mk [05:35] jdub: this is from the g-s-t source pkg. [05:36] it looks similar to cdbs [05:36] but is gnome-pkg-tools [05:37] That's the peice of the gnome packages that adds the gnome package maintainers to it. [05:37] It's an odd setup... Debian's pkg-gnome group. [05:37] Packages have a control.in, with @GNOME_UPLOADERS@ in it. [05:37] Each member of the pkg-gnome team has their name/email stuck in there. [05:38] wierd [05:38] wierd [05:38] well, it works. It's so each member of the team can upload, but each person can remain the maintainer of their own packages. [05:38] wasabi_: the control.in is supposed to be als oin that package? I'll look there.. [05:39] The control.in is in the package that uses gnome-pkg-tools. [05:39] clean:: [05:39] sed "s/@GNOME_TEAM@/$(uploaders)/" \ [05:39] debian/control.in > debian/control [05:40] yep [05:40] boy, emacs has such a nice coloring for make files.. [05:41] wasabi_: basically, all those include file and cdbs's are make file classes right? inherent feature of the make lanugage. [05:42] yeah [05:42] wasabi_: then it's really all sums up to what mdz/jdub said, if you start with reading the make manual, everything will look easier after..;-) [05:42] (you have to finish reading it ofcourse) [05:44] i never read the thing [05:44] i still barely grasp it === wasabi_ compiling gcc-4.0 for hoary [05:45] wasabi_: so how do you manage to munge your daily dose of pkgs? [05:46] cdbs? [05:46] eh? [05:46] sometimes. [05:46] cdbs if possible. [05:46] wasabi_: and on the other times? ;) [05:46] For Eclipse, cdbs was impossible. [05:46] So I learned make. [05:46] actually basic make is really easy. [05:47] learning how to set up your rules to actually make a package, and understanding debhelper, is a bit harder. [05:49] I see. === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:52] wasabi_: so , a quick question, I have a pacakge, all set and building/installing ok, I just want it to install another file in a specific location, how do I add this to the rules/dh_* commands? [05:52] just copy it into the temp install directory before you run dh_builddeb [05:52] probably using "install" [05:53] ok, I'll try that, tnx. === mpt [~mpt@210-246-37-86.paradise.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:18] hey my friend just told me a cool feature redhat has and that is /sbin/services is linked to /etc/init.d/ [07:18] so you do services restart... [07:19] it makes it a lot easier than typing out /etc/init.d/ [07:19] even thought there is tab completion [07:19] but i know why redhat did it because they add rc.d [07:25] MonoDevelop is broken is this known??? [07:26] anyone? [07:28] HostingGeek: a) these things are still utterly inappropriate for #ubuntu-devel, b) invoke-rc.d, c) if it's broken, file a bug, don't harass people on irc [07:28] we've asked you before repeatedly not to misuse our development channel and make it useless for us [07:28] daniels: /msg [07:34] daniels: did you ignore me?? why arnt you answer me === Lovechild [~dnielsen@82.150.72.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:39] HostingGeek: your questions tend to be more suitable for #ubuntu (just an observation) [07:39] --- Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned). [07:39] crimsun: and this is why i keep on msg daniels but he seemed to ignore me [07:42] HostingGeek: i don't sit at the computer every waking hour; i was trying to print something === robertj [~robertj@66-188-77-153.cpe.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione yawns [07:59] hey daniels.. still around? [08:00] hey papa [08:00] let me test the drm stuff for you [08:00] what's up kid :-) [08:00] nommuch man [08:00] no rush.. [08:00] just getting read to head out and see a movie [08:00] i just woke up [08:01] eheh cool.. what movie? [08:01] ah cool :) [08:01] blues brothers, actually [08:01] ehhe [08:01] they have the moonlight cinema in this massive park ... portable screen, starts at sunset. [08:01] ok, wget'ing now [08:01] oh that's nice... [08:01] daniels: no rush.. i just need to know within 24hours or so [08:02] today is dedicated to the house ;) [08:02] we have almost done with the big stuff in the livingroom [08:02] it's only left to paint the walls and do the small details [08:02] oh, nice! [08:02] that's awesome [08:02] i still have the glassfilt hitching my skin :-))) [08:02] how long will the walls take? [08:03] daniels: 3/4 days [08:03] + another 2/3 days for details [08:03] the real problems are the waiting time for stuff to dry [08:03] hi fabbione [08:03] otherwise it wouldn't take THAT long [08:03] yeah [08:03] hi ajmitch [08:03] just testing out selinux kernel stuff now [08:03] ah, that's good then :) [08:03] nice work dude [08:03] thanks :-) [08:03] daniels: i will put up pics when it's done [08:04] after a number of build failures :) [08:04] you are one of the few that can see the diff ;) [08:04] heh heh [08:04] Total 4570 package(s) [08:04] wow.. i already munged 50% of universe [08:04] but there were tons of FTBFS due to missing-deps [08:06] alright, seeing plenty of audit messages related to tmpfs.. a good sign, I hope [08:07] fabbione: hoy crap, that's insane [08:07] why? [08:08] fabbione: i thought about cleaning up my room, but then xorg and l-r-m would lose a week of activity [08:08] do you realize that 100% of the big packages are in main? [08:08] fabbione: the 50% of universe [08:08] mmm, I suppose [08:08] but there are still like a few gcc versions [08:08] daniels: only 2.. [08:08] 2.95 and 3.2 [08:08] that for sure are smaller than 3.3 (6 hours to build) [08:08] not as bad as I thought then [08:08] heh :) [08:09] probably... kernel-image- for sparc [08:09] that is relatively big... [08:09] but there is not much left really [08:09] cool, that rocks [08:09] you get the fun of qt/kde as well [08:09] ah no wait, qt's in main [08:10] and already built :-) [08:10] i know there is a circular build-dep somewhere in kde iirc [08:10] but that needs to be solved manually [08:10] = at the really end [08:11] heh [08:12] i need to remember to ask elmo/lamont to publish source-deps [08:12] there is one for debian, but i don't think we have one for us [08:15] fabbione: no ABI change for radeon [08:18] cool, does it actually work? [08:19] yeah :) [08:19] neat [08:21] what about my vid card [08:21] lol [08:28] fabbione: and i915 is fine too === daniels heads out the door. [08:28] fabbione: thanks a heap [08:28] daniels: cool, have fun === mpt [~mpt@210-246-37-245.paradise.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [~dholbach@td9091bbb.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:59] hai === mpt [~mpt@210-246-37-85.paradise.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:30] daniels: can gambas-gtk move into ubuntu already [10:30] HostingGeek: he's away at a movie. [10:30] why the hell will anyone want to be stuck with Qt? [10:30] crimsun: ok but can we still move it into universe? [10:31] HostingGeek: I don't even see a Debianized GTK portion [10:32] weirod [10:32] there site says it in debian [10:32] where? [10:32] `apt-cache search gambas|grep gtk' returns nothing. [10:33] note that gambas is already in hoary/universe [10:34] look at http://gambas.sourceforge.net/ > Distros & OS [10:34] ok [10:34] as linex.org is the maintainer for debian [10:35] and it is in linex.org 's rep but not in debian [10:35] for what ever reason can we just build the source packages from linex.org? [10:35] um, no. We want packages that are held to some QA standard, yanno. [10:36] QA? [10:36] you're familiar with quality assurance, correct? [10:37] yes [10:37] crimsun: linex.org IS the debian maintainer [10:38] i check it just now === HostingGeek wonders why linex.org isn't the nvu maintainer [10:38] who, Jos L. Redrejo Rodrguez ? [10:39] that linex.org [10:40] crimsun: i know from email linex.org over the nvu package [10:41] if he's the maintainer, then ask him why there's no gtk package. [10:41] [in sid] [10:42] crimsun: well he is away he has no answered my email from a few weeks ago [10:44] HostingGeek: you could always (re)package it yourself and submit it for MOTU approval. That would speed along the process. [10:45] glade package needs rebuilding [10:45] It'd be wise to do thorough lintian checks. [10:45] "Couldn't show help file: glade-faq." [10:45] Are you saying Glade needs to be rebuilt in Hoary? [10:46] yes [10:47] goto glade > faq and you will see that error [10:47] then file a bug on the appropriate packages. === abelli [~abelli@adsl-84-222-39-62.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [doko@dsl-082-082-194-252.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:59] how the hell am i ment to file a bug if bugzilla is so slow [11:00] its been 12min and still haven't be able to file it yet [11:03] i have pushed new 8 times in bugzilla its done nothing [11:03] am i doing something wrong? [11:04] *yes* ok it working [11:14] gambas-1.0-1 seems borked - at least on amd 64 [11:14] dholbach: from hoary/universe? [11:15] sizeof(CLASS) = 256 ! - ERROR: #51: Bad archive: invalid argument [11:15] crimsun: yes === dholbach thinks . o O { what an informative error message } :-) [11:15] dholbach: not surprising. [11:22] does "new contact" work for you in evolution? [11:23] dholbach: yes. [11:23] hmmmmmmmmmmmm :-/ [11:24] crimsun: i click the button and nothing happens [11:24] strange [11:24] 2.1.3.2-0ubuntu3 [11:25] crimsun: yes [11:25] I'm sorry, I don't know of amd64 issues. [11:28] dholbach: hm? evo broken on amd64 again? [11:30] Mithrandir: not sure [11:30] Mithrandir: doesnt have to be an amd64 issue [11:30] oh... i see: something f.cked up the addressbook: evolution-addressbook-WARNING **: error loading addressbook : e_book_load_uri: no factories available for uri `file:///home/daniel/.evolution/addressbook/local/system' [11:36] hmm [11:46] hmm WTF why does when connecting to a ftp server open in firefox? [11:48] HostingGeek: shy are you asking on a developer channel, instead of a user-support channel? [11:48] Treenaks: because someone banned me from #ubuntu and i am showing them that it is a stupid idea as it will mean i'll use this one instead [11:49] HostingGeek: you know it'll just get you banned here /as well/ [11:50] Treenaks: well if you don't want me to ask here then you'll have to unban me from #ubuntu and i'll stop asking here === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-40-127.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] seb128: what's wrong with firefox? (and no, i don't mind) [12:34] thom: bah, you have not add typeaheadfind to the list of extensions in debian/rules so basically the changes are not used :p [12:35] s/add/added/ [12:35] thom: BTW chpe has updated the patch (added 2 little change) [12:36] thom: all these change are just here to get a typeaheadfind which doesn't conflict with the firefox find stuff ... but you still need to build typefindahead :) [12:37] oh, doh [12:37] i can do that now [12:37] bah [12:37] or you can [12:37] either way [12:37] gnome.org is down [12:38] I've the changes here, I've built a new package [12:38] go for it then [12:38] so if you want I can go ahead with it [12:38] ok [12:38] BTW how do you handle the changes ? you patch directly the sources ? [12:38] yeah [12:39] ok [12:39] (it's a total pain, but so's trying to maintain a patch system when debin maints don't want it [12:40] right === martink [~martin@pD9EB2249.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:20] i'll be back later... bye === dholbach [~dholbach@td9091bbb.pool.terralink.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === x4m [~max@178.159-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tinty [~konversat@CBL217-132-131-98.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kyaneos [~Kyaneos@80-29-40-89.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo [nafallo@h135n2c2o1027.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-39-98.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] seb128: you read gnome-vfs-list? [01:54] morning... [01:54] thom: so with firefox... :o [01:54] jdub: yep, why ? [01:55] thom: what are the chances of getting... pango patches for interesting script (indic, arabic) love; either industrial or the other gtk-like theme (which uses icon themes directly?); gnome native filechooser and printing patches? [01:55] seb128: seen nielsen's patches? [01:56] jdub: yep, waiting for alex's comments since the patch is not trivial :) [01:56] cool [01:56] jdub: make me remember than I've a patch for libsmbclient to upload [01:56] sweet ;) [01:57] (patch from the previous work from nielsen for the smb authentification) [01:58] BTW has somebody tested smb with the current gnomevfs ? the authentification patch is already in and should improve things [02:00] i'll have a play here, kind of a boring network though ;) === ogra [~ogra@p508EACD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Verlassend"] === ogra [~ogra@p508EACD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE000ded9d787c-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jaco [~jaco@host42-20.pool80117.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === siretart [siretart@tauware.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === buga [burjang@pandora.inf.elte.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:14] jdub: pango patches are in, just need turning on; I'll look at marco's patches for gtk-icon-theme love; firefox has the gnome filechooser dunnit? (don't know about printing, got a url?) [03:14] thom: elite! [03:14] firefox doesn't have the gnome filechooser without the fedora/novell patches [03:15] i think you'll find the printing patches in fedora, too [03:15] oh, no, so it doesn't [03:15] right, will review those === ogra [~ogra@p508EA5BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:16] (i think gtk-icon-theme support is more useful than garret's industrial theme, right?) === ogra_ [~ogra@p508EA5BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] thom: (i was thinking the same thing) [03:17] thom: (but i haven't seen it in action) === usual [~colin@alb-69-202-36-134.nycap.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gt500 [~gt500@221-224.245.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:27] gah....warning: implicit declaration of function `strndup' === usual [~colin@69.202.36.134] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:27] how does one declare a function not implicit ? [03:28] you #include the correct header file [03:28] man strndup should tell you which [03:29] ogra: also, strndup isn't portable, it's a gnu extension [03:30] that's what gnulib is for, I guess [03:30] thom: its just for my ubuntu lockscreen hack, i doubt it will get used anywhere else....so nongnu wont be a prob [03:30] azeem: ? it's in glibc [03:30] ah, fair enough [03:31] smurfix: or that [03:31] ogra: anyway, string.h and #define _GNU_SOURCE [03:31] smurfix: Portability, good. =) [03:31] thom: the other way round, actually ;-) [03:31] great, thanks :-D [03:32] smurfix: it was my understanding that gnulib includes the gnu extensions so you can have them on non-glibc systems [03:32] Argh. [03:32] There's no real chance of there being ACPI smart battery support integrated into the kernel before Hoary [03:33] Which isn't an issue in itself - we can add it with a patch [03:33] But the smart battery code presents different information in a different place to the control method battery code [03:33] jbailey: i'm planning to start scribbling about server team stuff monday or so; today is building furniture day [03:33] So the battery status app would have to be updated [03:33] Opinions? [03:33] mjg59: "Argh." summed it up quite nicely [03:33] azeem: only for non-glibc systems; on Linux it doesn' make sense to duplicate what's already in glibc [03:34] smurfix: eh, sure [03:34] thom was talking about portability, though [03:34] azeem: That's the general idea. You put in configure hackery so that it uses glibc when possible. [03:34] thom: a'ight. It was mostly the, "I'd like to be involved in this, I think I had alot to add"... [03:35] thom: It should be a simple matter of coding [03:35] mjg59: seriously, though, are the benefits of smart battery support worthwhile enough to do this before hoary? [03:35] If we do it, Acer owners get battery status. If we don't, they don't. [03:35] mjg59: ... the "simple matter of coding" list is getting quite long ;-) [03:35] jbailey: nod [03:36] Ha. No, it's just going to be populating some structs in gnome-battery-applet [03:36] thom: In which timezone are you? [03:36] Ooh, rock [03:36] jbailey: GMT [03:36] HAL CVS has ACPI/PMU support [03:37] oooh [03:37] Shame about the lack of APM, but still [03:37] SHINY! [03:37] mjg59: oh, it landed? sweet! [03:37] mjg59: no it has not [03:37] we should rename hoary to hoacpiry [03:38] we more acpi support than any distro out there [03:38] fabbione: hnoapicoary [03:38] apic != acpi :) [03:38] but it's the universal solution :) [03:39] There's also been some progress on the Thinkpad excessive power draw stuff [03:39] isn't apic = advanced programmable interrupt controller or something like that? [03:39] fabbione: Yup [03:40] noapic shouldn't be necessary on post-2.6.8 in general - the kernel no longer turns it on unless the BIOS did [03:40] mjg59: rawk, [03:40] s/,/./ [03:40] mjg59: apm stuff in hal should be easy though [03:40] mjg59: oh.. well it's an option we can fry away our configs you know :-) === no0tic [~no0tic@host138-163.pool8249.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:40] hi [03:40] sjoerd: Yeah [03:40] mjg59: anyway.. next kernel new dri no ABI change ;) [03:40] fabbione: Fucking rock [03:41] mjg59: it was easy.. [03:41] just a 2 lines change to revert the 4layer memory mm [03:42] thunderbird italian localization is stuck at version 0.9.99, and won't install with thunderbird 1.0 [03:42] is help needed for translating? [03:42] lamont: here ? === mirak_ [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-39-98.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:49] thom: We should probably post that PM stuff to -devel and get some feedback === macewan [~macewan@ip68-101-19-222.nc.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mithrandir notes that postgresql is _not happy_ about being converted from 32 bit to 64 bit without a dump of the database [04:07] mjg59: indeed [04:07] Mithrandir: "gosh" === abelli [~abelli@adsl-84-222-38-113.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:10]