[12:00] <carambol> and i can use the command line any more
[12:00] <carambol> can not use xterm any more
[12:01] <Deft> |QuaD-_, for one, synaptic use libapt..., also synaptic is a generic front, it can do rpm and things as well
[12:02] <carambol> exist alternative shell?
[12:02] <Deft> I'm willing to drop it though
[12:02] <Deft> carambol, text shell? there're csh and pdksh around among others
[12:03] <carambol> how i can erase the history of xterm?
[12:03] <Nanarr> y'a un francais ici?
[12:03] <Deft> carambol, bash has a history, xterm doesn't; remove ~/.bash_history for that
[12:04] <duzchip> Anyone wanna see a screenshot?
[12:04] <carambol> ok
[12:04] <duzchip> http://www.duzchip.com/desktop.png
[12:05] <Deft> what terminal is that?
[12:05] <duzchip> i'm not done with my desktop yet but it looks OK i think
[12:05] <duzchip> eterm
[12:05] <spiral> Nanarr: oui pourquoi ?
[12:05] <nestle-iced-tea> mines nicer
[12:05] <globalmatador> is there a way to get the intel graphics drivers working in hoary? i heard they have better performance than the standard xorg drivers
[12:05] <thundrcleeze> I deactivated the ubuntu update servers, and added a mirror, but it's even slower: 860 bps.  Is there a way I can figure out if it's me or the server?
[12:06] <nicedreams> globalmatador, I would think to reconfigure x
[12:06] <Deft> thundrcleeze, only by trying other mirrors/other sites
[12:07] <moquist_> k, time to install on a system with only SATA disks.  can I do this?
[12:08] <moquist_> I see that sata_sil and sata_via are already loaded... I'll hafta check my mobo manual to see what I've got.
[12:08] <duzchip> I'm thinking of installing Dettu[Xx]  on my server
[12:08] <duzchip> http://www.dev2k5.org (to see a mirror of the distro)
[12:09] <Zotnix> thundrcleeze, having the same problem here... so it is pretty slow right now.
[12:10] <thundrcleeze> It's back up to the usual speed for me.
[12:11] <stuNNed> where can i get galeon for ubuntu?
[12:11] <eruin> bloody 'ell
[12:11] <eruin> you've got firefox
[12:11] <jpp> hello, someone could help me, I have trouble Xfree running on a dell 8300  (radeon 9800XT) and LCD screen
[12:11] <njs12345> jpp: I have the very same card :)
[12:11] <thundrcleeze> Is there a way to back up the previous files when I choose Mark All Upgrades?  The last time I upgraded everything I couldn't boot.
[12:12] <jpp> the LDC monitor shutdown
[12:12] <njs12345> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:12] <Deft> thundrcleeze, not back up as such, but if you still have the debs you can downgrade indivdual packages
[12:13] <huhmz> anyone have a clue why usb mass storage has stopped working on hoary?
[12:14] <K-Rich> too classic - http://www.zefrank.com/punc/
[12:14] <Deft> huhmz, altogether? mine has stopped showing icons, but it still mounts and works
[12:15] <huhmz> deft: it finds it according to dmesg and it says its on sda but sda doesnt show up in /dev and nothing gets mounted
[12:15] <keyfa770> how do i get window transparency in gnome?
[12:15] <huhmz> then after a while i start getting timeout errors in dmesg
[12:16] <huhmz> deft: usb 1-1: scsi_eh_105 timed out on ep0out   and right after usb 1-1: failed to restore interface 0 altsetting 0 (error=-110)
[12:17] <Cloudchaser> has anyone tried the gnoppix live cd?
[12:18] <aebcoat> keyfa to get transparecy in gnome you have to use the nex s serve which is still in beta, gnome doesnt officaly support transparecy yet. Only transparency settings i know of exist for the terminal only
[12:18] <aebcoat> oops i meant "the new xorg server"
[12:19] <njs12345> and it only really works with the nVidia drivers
[12:19] <lenosla> hi
[12:19] <keyfa770> aebcoat, ohh i see... then how do i get terminal transparency? :)
[12:19] <njs12345> you can use it with the vesa drivers if you have a radeon card, but it's really slow
[12:19] <lenosla> i find information to ubuntu?
[12:19] <njs12345> and by that I mean REALLY slow
[12:19] <lenosla> can you help me?
[12:19] <aebcoat> i tried it awhle ago on mandrake and it was to big oof a pain
[12:19] <njs12345> keyfa770: add this to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
[12:19] <lenosla> hi
[12:19] <crimsun> lenosla: ...with?
[12:19] <njs12345> <Section "Extensions">
[12:20] <lenosla> excuse me????
[12:20] <njs12345> Option "Composite" "Enable"
[12:20] <Deft> lenosla, could you be more precise?
[12:20] <imnes> After installing warty should I have to change any permissions / user account settings to get drive auto-mounting to work?
[12:20] <njs12345> oops
[12:20] <lenosla> i actually use a slackware
[12:20] <njs12345> without the angle brackets
[12:20] <lenosla> for a system x86
[12:20] <njs12345> Section "Extensions"
[12:20] <njs12345>        Option "Composite" "Enable"
[12:20] <njs12345> EndSection
[12:20] <imnes> Plugging in an external firewire drive I'd expect to get the icon on the desktop but not getting anything.
[12:21] <njs12345> that's it
[12:21] <njs12345> add that, and then restart X
[12:21] <njs12345> then you need to find a utility called "transset", and then run it
[12:21] <keyfa770> there is no xorg.conf in that cat
[12:21] <Deft> imnes, there is a group for hotplugging (plugdev) but you should be in it already...
[12:21] <keyfa770> :/
[12:21] <keyfa770> not in mine :/
[12:21] <imnes> Deft I'll check that
[12:21] <aebcoat> this link may help some http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/264044
[12:21] <crimsun> njs12345: xcompmgr is worth mentioning.
[12:21] <njs12345> ah yes, that's true
[12:21] <imnes> yes I'm in plugdev
[12:21] <lenosla> hey
[12:22] <njs12345> there's also xcompmgr, which does all sorts of DAMN SEXEH things
[12:22] <Cloudchaser> lenosla, what kind of info do you want?
[12:22] <njs12345> like, dropshadows for windows
[12:22] <Cloudchaser> there's www.ubuntulinux.org
[12:22] <keyfa770> njs12345, i will check that up :)
[12:22] <aebcoat> njs try the link i posted http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/264044
[12:22] <Cloudchaser> http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html
[12:23] <crimsun> lenosla: with what may we help you?
[12:23] <lenosla> for you why ubuntu????
[12:23] <lenosla> slackware or ubuntu????
[12:23] <lenosla> excuse i'm italia
[12:24] <lenosla> italian
[12:24] <lenosla> is totally free ubuntu
[12:24] <lenosla> ?
[12:24] <zenwhen> Slackware is a nice distro, but Ubuntu tends to stay more up to date and Slackware doesn;t have anything for package management that realy even competes with apt.
[12:25] <zenwhen> lenosla, yes.
[12:25] <zenwhen> It strives to be totally free in every sense of the word.
[12:25] <lenosla> i haven't adsl
[12:25] <crimsun> lenosla: it was dead simple for me: I admin two hundred workstations used in the engineering school at this university, and the Linux distro needed to be easily maintainable, have a reasonably unified desktop interface, and have intuitive defaults.
[12:25] <lenosla> i can do apt
[12:26] <carambol> Deft:i can not remove xterm with synaptic
[12:26] <Potaje> wenas
[12:26] <zenwhen> lenosla, ubuntu's default install includes a lot of good desktop software.
[12:26] <lenosla> for know unix what is ubuntu?
[12:26] <zenwhen> I don't understand.
[12:26] <nicedreams> ?
[12:26] <nicedreams> no joke
[12:26] <carambol> i have a problem with xterm
[12:26] <nicedreams> ubuntu is a debian based linux OS
[12:27] <njs12345> lenosla: try #ubuntu-it
[12:27] <nicedreams> carambol, reinstall xterm
[12:27] <lenosla> ok
[12:27] <njs12345> I chose Ubuntu because 1. I'm obsessed with GNOME and 2. the CDs were free
[12:27] <carambol> i did it but i am getting this msg
[12:27] <lenosla> thanks
[12:27] <nicedreams> I chose Ubuntu because 1. I love linux 2. I love debian
[12:27] <carambol> bash:dircolors:command not found
[12:28] <spiral> hmmm...
[12:28] <spiral> ouah...
[12:28] <nicedreams> nice crash
[12:28] <zenwhen> njs12345, My gnome obsession is also why I chose ubuntu
[12:28] <spiral> freenode ?
[12:28] <duzchip> kewl
[12:28] <spiral> Nanarr has a strange problem...
[12:28] <K-Rich> oh poop, that reminds me, i need to order a few more CDs for the LUG (getting more members :)
[12:28] <carambol> i install csh ...but it does not startup
[12:28] <thundrcleeze> Gnome looked nice so I tried ubuntu.
[12:28] <spiral> and I'll try to translate
[12:28] <spiral> He's got two computers...
[12:29] <spiral> one under win xp (192.168.0.1) & one under ubuntu (192.168.0.2)
[12:29] <nicedreams> I wish there was more fluxbox support in Ubuntu
[12:29] <spiral> they all have 255.255.255.0 netmask
[12:29] <spiral> but none of them can reach the other
[12:29] <spiral> any idea ?
[12:29] <zenwhen> nicedreams, fluxbox works fine in ubuntu
[12:29] <nicedreams> zenwhen, it works fine, but not as many packages
[12:30] <nicedreams> zenwhen, there are just a few fluxbox add-ons I'd like to see in the repositories
[12:30] <crimsun> nicedreams: I'm not sure I follow.
[12:30] <nicedreams> crimsun, follow what?
[12:30] <zenwhen> Perhaps you should package them and try to get them in.
[12:30] <crimsun> nicedreams: ah, well I could work on packaging them on pushing them into Hoary+1
[12:30] <carambol> is it possible to deinstall jre with synaptic?
[12:30] <nicedreams> zen_, i do
[12:30] <zenwhen> oh
[12:30] <nicedreams> crimsun, oooooooo that would be very nice
[12:31] <carambol> help help...
[12:31] <carambol> plz
[12:31] <crimsun> nicedreams: at this stage, it's a bit late to push the add-ons into universe for hoary, but it's certainly feasible for hoary+1
[12:32] <nicedreams> crimsun, I remember you used to 'apt-cache search fluxbox' and it would pull up all the add-ons
[12:32] <nicedreams> now you have to do more searching
[12:32] <nicedreams> crimsun, oops
[12:32] <nicedreams> nvm
[12:32] <nicedreams> aptitude doesn't show it, but apt does
[12:32] <crimsun> I understand :)
[12:33] <nicedreams> okay..apt doesn't show them all either
[12:33] <nicedreams> lol
[12:33] <nicedreams> anyways... new topic
[12:34] <nicedreams> hdparm doesn't show me running DMA5, how can i change this?
[12:34] <nicedreams> someone told me not to use hdparm anymore, so how would i change this
[12:34] <duzchip> i think i'll do a system-update while sleeping tonight
[12:34] <nicedreams> if i should use hdparm, then i know my way around that
[12:35] <nicedreams> and one more thing.  I can't hold down a key and have anything print out a lot of them...  Like i can't hold down BKSP to delete anything...i have to keep pressing it...
[12:36] <duzchip> do i type apt-get upgrade system-core when i wanna upgrade it all?
[12:36] <duzchip> or what do i type?
[12:36] <crimsun> upgrade between what and what?
[12:36] <duzchip> I have the default-packages from 4.10 but i want the latest dev-packages
[12:36] <nicedreams> duzchip, dist-upgrade is what you want
[12:36] <duzchip> ah
[12:36] <duzchip> apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[12:37] <duzchip> goodie :P
[12:37] <aebcoat> yes but run apt-get update after changing anything in you sorces.list file
[12:37] <nicedreams> reboot afterwards...it's faster than restarting everything
[12:37] <duzchip> nods
[12:37] <nicedreams> you have to run apt-get update every few hours don't you?
[12:38] <duzchip> but i'll do it when i go to bed so it'll have about 15 hours to upgrade :D
[12:38] <crimsun> nicedreams: absolutely not
[12:38] <duzchip> cause i need to work all day tomorrow
[12:38] <kent> duzchip, if you are going to upgrade to development version of Ubuntu,  read on the homepage about how to change to Hoary (the dev version). Its more than just "apt-get dist-upgrade".
[12:38] <nicedreams> crimsun, do it gets the lasted list all the time?
[12:38] <duzchip> kent: oh oki. i'll do that
[12:38] <crimsun> nicedreams: update will always retrieve the current Release, Packages[, and Sources] 
[12:39] <nicedreams> so i never have to run apt-get update unless i change my sources.list?
[12:39] <kbrooks> nicedreams, no.
[12:39] <kbrooks> er,
[12:39] <kbrooks> right*
[12:39] <nicedreams> nice
[12:39] <crimsun> nicedreams: if one runs Warty, there's certainly no need to update daily. For Hoary, it's wise to run update daily.
[12:39] <nicedreams> crimsun, ahhh...i thought so
[12:40] <nicedreams> so update gets the newest list of changes then right?
[12:40] <crimsun> nicedreams: yes.
[12:40] <nicedreams> okay
[12:40] <nicedreams> i was right all a long, (i use hoary) so right on that at least
[12:40] <jesuel> Well, it looks like ive found a new distro. Quite like ubuntu
[12:40] <mjr> well... running hoary and upgrading daily maximizes your chances of getting a broken system ;)
[12:41] <nicedreams> jesuel, don't say mepis, becuase that's not so great
[12:41] <duzchip> kent: i cant find any info on ubuntulinux.org about how to upgrade to dev-version
[12:41] <jesuel> no, i meant, i like ubuntu
[12:41] <nicedreams> k
[12:42] <nicedreams> anyone know if the nvidia drivers still lock up ubuntu hoary?
[12:42] <jesuel> heh mepis wouldnt even boot :(
[12:42] <nicedreams> i'd love to play opengl games again
[12:42] <jesuel> my *nix machine is kinda slow
[12:42] <kent> duzchip, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary    read atleast that one.
[12:43] <duzchip> ah, thanks kent
[12:43] <jesuel> now im just waiting for the amd64 version of ubuntu to download and ill stick it on my laptop :). Then to fight with games to make them work :)
[12:43] <jesuel> nicedreams: what kinda games are ya playing or wanting to play?
[12:44] <kent> duzchip, either manually edit /etc/apt/sources.list as it says,  or make the same changes using the synaptic program (found in computer menu..). Then update the list of packages either using synaptic (press refresh) or using "sudo apt-get update".  Then upgrade, either using synaptic or "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" (the apt-get commands is run from a terminal)
[12:44] <nicedreams> jesuel, quake Urban Terror for one
[12:45] <nicedreams> Every time I use the Nvidia drivers, it hard locks my system when i open anything opengl
[12:45] <jesuel> oh
[12:45] <nicedreams> did some searching and debian has an issue with it
[12:45] <jesuel> yeah ill be playing on my laptop which has a radeon 9600 in it
[12:45] <nicedreams> so hence ubuntu has problems
[12:45] <nicedreams> good luck with those ATI drivers
[12:45] <jesuel> yeah thats what i hear :)
[12:46] <jesuel> I know thats its possible, cause ive seen it work
[12:46] <nicedreams> known people personaly that hate ATI with linux because of poor support from ATI
[12:46] <jesuel> BUT, the person that did it, knows alot more than i
[12:46] <nicedreams> it works, but slows down it seems
[12:46] <nicedreams> well..it slows down MythTV I know
[12:46] <jpph> hello again
[12:46] <kent> hmm, it would be cool if some people developed an 3d-card that was developed in the opensource-way and had totally free drivers. I would by it even if i could not play the most coolest 3d-games. As long as screensaver had nice 3d-graphics im pleased :)
[12:47] <jpph> Where in ubuntu I can I have the same config like the live one ( windows drives mounted)
[12:47] <jesuel> yeah, if its too difficult or a pain i might just wait till i move
[12:47] <nicedreams> jpph fstab?
[12:47] <jesuel> im building a new machine then
[12:47] <aebcoat> yep fstab is where to go to mount dirves automtically
[12:48] <jpph> nicedreams, ok, thats the manual ways
[12:48] <ik-G4> hi any one knows how can a get update my ubuntu?
[12:48] <jpph> nicedreams, but on the ubuntu livecd, there are mounted automatically
[12:48] <nicedreams> jpph, don't know then
[12:49] <Cloudchaser> why aren't they in the installed version?
[12:49] <aebcoat> you can set fstab to do it automatically
[12:49] <ycco> crimsun: you still about?
[12:49] <Cloudchaser> mounted auto matically that is
[12:49] <crimsun> ycco: pong.
[12:49] <ycco> crimsun: ping
[12:49] <ycco> heh
[12:50] <nicedreams> fill me in if you can auto do fstab
[12:50] <nicedreams> knowledge is key
[12:50] <ycco> was digging for that ksynaptic url
[12:50] <aebcoat> ok
[12:50] <jesuel> hrm, samba feels slow...
[12:50] <aebcoat> here is my windows partiton in fstab /dev/hda1       /media/C_Drive  ntfs        auto,umask=0 0 0
[12:50] <nicedreams> aebcoat, oh....you use auto
[12:50] <ycco> http://qsynaptics.sourceforge.net/
[12:51] <nicedreams> aebcoat, i thought it was a config that just does it for you
[12:51] <ycco> crimsun: think you could make me a deb of that? ;)
[12:51] <aebcoat> i think having auto in thir makes it always mount
[12:51] <Cloudchaser> /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows   vfat    auto,user,umask=000  0 0
[12:51] <nicedreams> auto does
[12:51] <Cloudchaser> thats mine and it auto mounts
[12:51] <nicedreams> noauto makes it not mount
[12:51] <nicedreams> i thought you meant something else.....like it would detect everything on your system for you and rewrite the fstab
[12:52] <crimsun> ycco: hmm, it's in hoary/uni
[12:52] <nicedreams> if there is something like that, then I'd like to know
[12:52] <aebcoat> oh no
[12:52] <aebcoat> i dont know of anything either
[12:52] <aebcoat> would be nice though
[12:52] <nicedreams> how do the live cds do it then.  that's accually a good question
[12:52] <ycco> crimsun: Yeah, using warty
[12:52] <kent> This one explains how to auto-mount windows partitions:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[12:52] <crimsun> ycco: I presume you plan to upgrade to Hoary when it's released, however?
[12:53] <ycco> crimsun: well, but of course
[12:53] <ycco> crimsun: if you think it's safe to upgrade now, I'll go for it. ;)
[12:53] <crimsun> ycco: ok. Needed to know for versioning information.
[12:53] <nicedreams> I upgrade Ubuntu Hoary 2 times a day
[12:53] <Cloudchaser> if the live cd's can do it, shouldn't the installed to hd version be able to do it too?
[12:53] <jesuel> wow
[12:53] <nicedreams> and gnome is the only problem I have ever had messing up but rare
[12:53] <jesuel> thats alot of upgrading
[12:53] <ycco> nicedreams: I tried once.  And it horked things.
[12:53] <nicedreams> lol
[12:54] <nicedreams> i'm an upgarde fruit
[12:54] <jpph> nicedreams, maybe it is because the livecd is based on morphix ?
[12:54] <ycco> nicedreams: I like it too... but... I can't afford for me boxen to be in an unsuable state.
[12:54] <nicedreams> is it just a util that finds and mounts them in fstab?
[12:54] <nicedreams> ycco, i understand that.
[12:54] <Cloudchaser> i'm downloading the gnoppix/hoary live cd now to try out
[12:55] <duzchip> Okey, here goes. Now upgrading to Hoary. Wish me luck :P
[12:55] <IRC-Revolution> hey, what are the min system requirements for ubuntu
[12:55] <Cloudchaser> to see if some of the issues are fixed in it..like the network browsing
[12:55] <nicedreams> duzchip, just make sure everything says hoary in your sources.list
[12:55] <nicedreams> i screwed up once forgetting hoary security
[12:55] <duzchip> it does :D
[12:55] <nicedreams> and it was on warty
[12:55] <nicedreams> you'll be fine...i dist-upgarde to hoary all the time for friends
[12:55] <nicedreams> take about 30 mins
[12:55] <ycco> crimsun: that, or I just want the silly touch pad events to be turned off.  (touch pad scrolling, and other odd things)
[12:56] <duzchip> but i uncommented everything
[12:56] <IRC-Revolution> hey, what are the min system requirements for ubuntu
[12:56] <will> mmmm
[12:56] <duzchip> in the sources.list -file
[12:56] <duzchip> that's no problem, right?
[12:56] <nicedreams> duzchip, watch out then
[12:56] <nicedreams> duzchip, just change warty to hoary and nothing else
[12:56] <duzchip> ' Okey, i'll take the originalfile and uncomment everything after dist-upgrade
[12:56] <crimsun> ycco: due to spotty connectivity to a.u.c, build-dep is taking a few minutes. I should have the package built in ~20 minutes.
[12:56] <nicedreams> and add universe and multiverse
[12:56] <duzchip> i did that
[12:57] <duzchip> that was what i uncommented
[12:57] <nicedreams> don't uncomment
[12:57] <nicedreams> just add them to the other list
[12:57] <duzchip> huh?
[12:57] <ycco> crimsun: right on buddy ;)
[12:57] <nicedreams> i personally don't trust it that way because it's a different line
[12:57] <duzchip> what's the use of adding them if they are gonna be commented
[12:57] <nicedreams> duzchip, for example
[12:57] <nicedreams> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[12:57] <lerio> who wants to help me to find out if my cd burner is definitely gone?
[12:58] <nicedreams> one line
[12:58] <duzchip> aha
[12:58] <duzchip> i'll do that then
[12:58] <nicedreams> are there any other repository things other than universe and multiverse?
[12:58] <duzchip> should it be hoary and not hoary-security?
[12:59] <nicedreams> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted universe multiverse
[12:59] <crimsun> nicedreams: hoary-security is a noop until at least after hoary is released.
[12:59] <nicedreams> crimsun, what does that mean?   they are warty updates for now?
[01:00] <tidalwav> hi room...a quick question
[01:00] <tidalwav> I'm trying to install PureAdmin (purify.sf.net) from source
[01:00] <crimsun> nicedreams: comment out hoary-security (it's a noop) and hoary.
[01:00] <crimsun> nicedreams: err, and just use hoary.
[01:00] <tidalwav> and when I run ./configure, it says 'No package GTK+-2.0 Found"
[01:01] <duzchip> oki, now i just have deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse  and  deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[01:01] <nicedreams> crimsun, so your saying to rename hoary-security to just hoary under the secuity part?
[01:01] <tidalwav> but I can't really find a specific GTK+ package to install in Synaptic..what should I install?
[01:01] <duzchip> nothing else in my sources.list
[01:01] <crimsun> nicedreams: there's only one security repo that matters currently: warty-security
[01:01] <duzchip> or well, those and the same but with -security after hoary
[01:01] <nicedreams> crimsun, so I guess i'm not getting  any security updates?
[01:02] <crimsun> nicedreams: you _can't_ get any for hoary _right now_ because hoary is still in development.
[01:02] <tidalwav> anyone?
[01:02] <topyli> tidalwav: libgtk2.0-dev at least
[01:02] <SirPsy> hello there
[01:02] <Hwolf> nicedreams, hoary is not a production OS, no official security updates now. Ofcourse patches applied to Warty will be applied to hoary software also.
[01:02] <nicedreams> crimsun, i think i get it now....so i'll just remove hoary-secutiry and just use the top part
[01:02] <tidalwav> topy: I'll try
[01:03] <nicedreams> Hwolf, I just figured they where unstable secuity updates
[01:03] <SirPsy> where can i download manually the kernel source for warty
[01:03] <Hwolf> nicedreams, the hoary-security repostory exists, but it is empty.
[01:03] <nicedreams> should I tell it to use warty security while using hoary updates?
[01:03] <duzchip> Okey, here goes. I started the dist-upgrade
[01:04] <Hwolf> nicedreams, definatly not, that'd fuck you up.
[01:04] <duzchip> see you tomorrow :D
[01:04] <nicedreams> lol
[01:04] <nicedreams> k
[01:04] <nicedreams> i'll just comment the hoary-security out and just use the hoary updates
[01:04] <SirPsy> i need the kernel source for warty cuz otherwise i cant install my nic drivers
[01:04] <nicedreams> SirPsy, apt-cache should find the source for you
[01:04] <SirPsy> is it on the cd ?
[01:04] <nicedreams> SirPsy, use linux-source for the modified ubuntu kernel
[01:05] <nicedreams> SirPsy, 86 the cd
[01:05] <SirPsy> 86?
[01:05] <SirPsy> erm
[01:05] <crimsun> SirPsy: which nic drivers?
[01:05] <nicedreams> 86 means remove it
[01:05] <SirPsy> e100, from intel self because i need to force the linkspeed
[01:06] <SirPsy> autodetect doesnt work
[01:06] <jesuel> thats weird ...
[01:06] <crimsun> SirPsy: then you only need linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:06] <SirPsy> just your basic crap cable/modem shit
[01:06] <crimsun> SirPsy: sudo aptitude install build-essential kernel-package linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:07] <ycco> SirPsy: keep the language clean please.
[01:07] <nicedreams> any way to get apt to always upgrade to the newest kernel update?
[01:07] <SirPsy> (im not connected to the net via linux)
[01:07] <crimsun> ycco: I was a bit overzealous in my estimation of the retrieval time from a.u.c
[01:07] <ycco> crimsun: hehe
[01:08] <crimsun> 92% [13 qt3-designer 3375104/4046kB 83%]                           908B/s 12m18s
[01:08] <ycco> crimsun: no worries, Elise(my oldest daughter -- 3 1/2) is playing Noggin.
[01:08] <ycco> :)
[01:08] <crimsun> :)
[01:08] <ycco> she can do all kinds of stuff already on the machine by herself.
[01:08] <ycco> Linux, so easy, a 3 year old can use it.
[01:08] <jesuel> lol
[01:08] <nicedreams> ycco, lol
[01:08] <ycco> :)
[01:08] <nicedreams> ycco, linux seems easier to me too.  I know windows very well, but linux is still easier
[01:09] <jesuel> my 11 year old will be using it after tomorrow
[01:09] <nicedreams> lol
[01:09] <crimsun> kids these days are growing up with the Internet tied to the palms of their hands
[01:09] <ycco> jesuel: hehe
[01:09] <Deft> nicedreams, you should always get the latest kernel anyway
[01:09] <ycco> crimsun: yah...  crazy
[01:09] <jesuel> so true they are
[01:09] <Deft> the package with no version number always depends on it
[01:09] <crimsun> I remember when the school getting an Apple IIgs was a huge deal
[01:09] <nicedreams> Deft, ya, but I have to find the new kernel then tell apt to install it
[01:09] <SirPsy> crimsun this would work with the ubunto cd ?
[01:09] <jesuel> crimsun: lol yeah mine was a commodore 64 :)
[01:09] <nicedreams> Deft, I'd like to set it up to always get the lasted version
[01:09] <jesuel> with a Cassette drive :)
[01:10] <Deft> nicedreams, you only need linux-image-arch, that depends on the latest one
[01:10] <Supplicium> *cheers* to the commodore.
[01:10] <nicedreams> Deft, like it doesn't upgrade me to 2.6.10-2 unless I tell it to
[01:10] <nicedreams> Deft, oh
[01:10] <nicedreams> Deft, so i don't need to type the numbers
[01:10] <nicedreams> sounds good
[01:10] <Hitchhiker90> does ubuntu come with a cd burning program?
[01:10] <SirPsy> it has one afaik
[01:10] <Deft> Hitchhiker90, nautilus has basic cd burning include
[01:10] <Deft> d
[01:10] <nicedreams> Hitchhiker90, gnome has one, but install k3b
[01:11] <nicedreams> k3b is the only reason i have kde stuff on my system
[01:11] <SirPsy> dunno wich, im to preocupied with tetting my nic to work without plugging a realtec in
[01:11] <nicedreams> i wish it was gtk
[01:11] <Hitchhiker90> nicedreams, i'll pass on k3b as i don't want to install kde libs
[01:11] <nicedreams> k3b is like a nero clone though
[01:11] <Deft> nicedreams, most of us are waiting for coaster there
[01:11] <nicedreams> Hitchhiker90, you'll change your mind...  k3b is the bomb
[01:11] <jesuel> eww nero :(
[01:11] <jesuel> yuck
[01:11] <nicedreams> is coaster out yet?
[01:12] <nicedreams> jesuel, you don't like nero?
[01:12] <nicedreams> tisk tisk
[01:12] <jesuel> nero is almost as bad as roxio
[01:12] <jesuel> imho
[01:12] <nicedreams> lol
[01:12] <nicedreams> woah
[01:12] <nicedreams> now that mean
[01:12] <Deft> not usefully really
[01:12] <jesuel> yes, i HATE nero
[01:12] <nicedreams> nero burning rom, not the nero gui crap
[01:12] <aebcoat> this is a vlone of nero  not th new bet 6
[01:12] <nicedreams> nero burning rom is the best, i don't like their wizard
[01:12] <jesuel> oh yea, nbr is good
[01:12] <jesuel> their wizard is pants
[01:12] <nicedreams> yeap
[01:12] <nicedreams> i guess it is two different products
[01:12] <nicedreams> every time i say nero
[01:13] <nicedreams> i get the remark
[01:13] <Hitchhiker90> oh snap, your right, nautilus does have cd burning.  do you know if its worthy?
[01:13] <jesuel> haha
[01:13] <jesuel> nicedreams: makes ya wonder what they were thinking
[01:13] <aebcoat> its just like won xp integrated burning
[01:13] <Deft> Hitchhiker90, it works, as long as you just want to write some files or an iso
[01:14] <jesuel> hmm, cedega downloading now :)
[01:14] <nicedreams> gotta go
[01:14] <nicedreams> bbl
[01:14] <jesuel> then the fight ensue's to make wow work, then mxo
[01:14] <jesuel> buh bye niced
[01:14] <Hitchhiker90> its an iso file,, just want to burn it to disk
[01:16] <crimsun> ycco: built, uploading momentarily.
[01:17] <ycco> okies
[01:17] <ycco> crimsun: right on bubba
[01:17] <jesuel> hrm wow, linux actually feels snappy on this box. Im very surprised....
[01:17] <ycco> we were bad tonight.... went out and got Krispy Kreme doughnuts.
[01:17] <ycco> *sigh*
[01:17] <jesuel> via c3 processors are very slow :(
[01:17] <jesuel> mmmm doughnuts
[01:17] <ycco> crimsun: I have your apt repo setup in my sources.list still.
[01:17] <ycco> I feel icky now
[01:18] <ycco> Nothing like negating the days workout with a few quick doughnuts
[01:18] <jesuel> lol
[01:19] <crimsun> ycco: you're free to update.
[01:19] <ycco> crimsun: w00p
[01:20] <jesuel> hrm, i think getting my tv card working is next
[01:20] <aebcoat> hitchhiker you figure anything out?
[01:20] <scaroo> hi ppl ! just wanna know if the repositories server suffers some trouble as i am curently downloadina t 6ko/s(instead of 700 ko/s)
[01:20] <crimsun> scaroo: there are some connectivity problems, yes.
[01:21] <scaroo> crimsun, thx for the info
[01:21] <scaroo> does anybody know what s happening ?
[01:22] <crimsun> scaroo: as soon as more information is available, it will be posted.
[01:22] <scaroo> okay
[01:23] <jesuel> So whats a good tv tuner application that i can apt-get?
[01:23] <scaroo> so i ll stop my updates and wait :)
[01:23] <mindphasr> jesuel: tvtime
[01:23] <scaroo> so sad it happened the day the language packs arrive
[01:23] <scaroo> no luck
[01:23] <jesuel> hrm..
[01:24] <scaroo> mindphasr, what s about xawtv ?
[01:24] <jesuel> mindphasr: no response for it
[01:25] <ycco> crimsun: it's working... (the application installed, and I have it up and going.)  Trying to see if I can get it set right.
[01:25] <mindphasr> scaroo: That is also another one,  yes
[01:25] <mindphasr> jesuel: It's in universe
[01:25] <crimsun> ycco: ok.
[01:25] <jesuel> Sorry, i have no idea what that is, kinda new..
[01:26] <sobralense> anyone already discovered the gnome problem , that always have to kill some app's at a terminal to get gnome started?
[01:26] <sobralense> like this: killall trashapplet gnome-vfs-daemon nautilus gnome-panel ; nautilus
[01:26] <ycco> crimsun: :/  Don't see a way to disable middle / right clicks with the touch pad.
[01:26] <crimsun> sobralense: the gnomevfs race{s}?
[01:26] <scaroo> sobralense, that sometime happens when an upgrade failed
[01:26] <sobralense> Oh .. so always mine failed? hehe
[01:27] <crimsun> sobralense: gnome-vfs2 (2.9.3-0ubuntu2) hoary; urgency=low  * debian/patches/14_vfsdaemonlock.patch: - upstream patch to fix the gnome-panel/nautilus freeze (Hoary: #4794).
[01:28] <sobralense> Crane, thanks, where did you got this? forum?
[01:29] <crimsun> ycco: k, I don't have that hardware, so I'm afraid I can't help with the application itself.
[01:29] <crimsun> ycco: what seems to be the issue?
[01:29] <ycco> crimsun: The application works fine.  It just doesn't have the option I need.
[01:29] <ycco> crimsun: I want to turn off right and middle click with touch pad
[01:29] <ycco> I want it to work like a normal old-fashioned touch pad.
[01:29] <ycco> heh
[01:29] <ycco> it has a bottom right feature where it right clicks
[01:30] <ycco> and at the top right it middle clicks.
[01:30] <ycco> you hit those when you don't want to and.... disaster.
[01:31] <scaroo> ycco : see there if any thing interesting : http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/
[01:32] <ycco> scaroo: k
[01:34] <ycco> scaroo: yeah, not seeing anything in there.
[01:34] <ycco> :/
[01:35] <jesuel> ahh tvtime downloading now
[01:35] <jesuel> just had to add universal repository's
[01:35] <jesuel> :)
[01:35] <crimsun> ycco: would it be pleasing to disable tapping completely?
[01:36] <scaroo> arg, i saw no solution myself but it is said ther : " Middle and right button events on the upper and lower corner of the touchpad."
[01:36] <ycco> http://ltpconf.sourceforge.net/sshots.html
[01:36] <ycco> ahhh
[01:36] <duncanm_> hola
[01:36] <scaroo> but noway to disable it
[01:36] <ycco> crimsun: no... hehe
[01:36] <duncanm> i'm running hoary on my home desktop and X stopped working
[01:36] <Skwid> CHUI MAJEUURRRRR :d:d:d
[01:36] <crimsun> ycco: I know 0.14.0 implements -t, which disables tapping on a keyboard event
[01:36] <duncanm> it's because of the gnomerc startup script, there's some syntax error
[01:37] <scaroo> skid : joyeux anniversaire !
[01:37] <scaroo> :p
[01:37] <Skwid> scaroo: mici :)
[01:37] <ycco> crimsun:  THAT is what I need....
[01:37] <ycco> http://ltpconf.sourceforge.net/sshots.html  <---
[01:37] <thundrcleeze> had that problem earlier, scaroo
[01:37] <SirPsy> i get some error installing my e100 driver
[01:37] <duncanm> anyone know how i can fix that?
[01:37] <SirPsy> it says it cannot write in catman mode
[01:38] <SirPsy> so how to i get out catman mode
[01:38] <scaroo> thundrcleeze, about the repositories bad bandwidth ?
[01:39] <ycco> crimsun: the ltpconf tool is what I need bud.
[01:39] <ycco> crimsun:  ;)  can you compile that one?[tm] 
[01:40] <crimsun> ycco: I'll ubuntuize it tonight and put it on my list of maintainable packages for hoary+1, it's too late to push into hoary
[01:40] <ycco> http://ltpconf.sourceforge.net/download.html
[01:40] <ycco> ahh ok
[01:40] <ycco> no worries.  I'll try and compile it
[01:40] <ycco> *hah*
[01:40] <crimsun> ycco: actually, if the package resolves a serious (grave) issue for you in terms of usability, it may be feasible for hoary/uni
[01:41] <crimsun> ycco: does the deb not work for you?
[01:41] <jesuel> mmm yummy nice hardcrash
[01:42] <SirPsy> what do i do wrong so that it says cannot writ to /var/..something in catman mode
[01:43] <crimsun> SirPsy: need the full error, paste to #flood as necessary
[01:43] <SirPsy> ill be there in a few mins
[01:45] <LinuxJones> crimsun, I don't suppose you know if the graphical installer will make it into Hoary ?
[01:45] <crimsun> LinuxJones: I don't know offhand; check the wiki for Hoary's goals :)
[01:46] <LinuxJones> crimsun, :)
[01:46] <ycco> :(
[01:46] <ycco> what a PITA
[01:46] <ycco> crimsun: no...
[01:46] <crimsun> ycco: tried installing the .deb?
[01:46] <ycco> yeah... it didn't work.
[01:47] <bluefoxicy> does anyone here know how to code for sqlite?
[01:47] <ycco>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[01:47] <ycco>  ltpconf depends on libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3); however:
[01:47] <ycco>   Version of libqt3c102-mt on system is 3:3.2.3-4ubuntu1.
[01:48] <crimsun> ycco: that's easily resolved. I'm working on it in another terminal as I type.
[01:48] <ycco> oh
[01:48] <ycco> thanks man, dang, I hate being a pest.
[01:48] <thundrcleeze> scaroo, yes, about that.  It's better for me, at least it was, let me check.
[01:48] <crimsun> ycco: it's no prob at all. Just chalk up another package for me to maintain in universe ;0
[01:49] <ycco> crimsun: hah
[01:49] <ycco> suuure, blame me.
[01:49] <ycco> :)
[01:49] <ycco> *chuckle*
[01:49] <ycco> wish I could get where I could maintain packages.
[01:49] <ycco> We really should have online classes for things like this.
[01:50] <ycco> (Meet at such and such a time...  and have a channel dedicated online to doing nothing but having live tutorials)
[01:50] <crimsun> ycco: Debian's New Maintainer's Guide is pretty much all you need.
[01:50] <scaroo> ycco : there are some ttutos about mantainig a debian packager
[01:50] <scaroo> *package
[01:50] <keyfa770_> how do i do this?
[01:50] <keyfa770_> checking for SDL - version >= 1.2.0... no
[01:50] <keyfa770_> *** The sdl-config script installed by SDL could not be found
[01:50] <keyfa770_> *** If SDL was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
[01:50] <keyfa770_> *** your path, or set the SDL_CONFIG environment variable to the
[01:50] <keyfa770_> *** full path to sdl-config.
[01:50] <keyfa770_> configure: error: SDL >= 1.2.0 is required
[01:50] <ycco> Sorta like some home repair show where you can tune in and watch.
[01:51] <scaroo> keyfa770, install libsdt-dev
[01:51] <crimsun> keyfa770_: sudo aptitude install libsdl1.2-dev
[01:51] <keyfa770_> i know i have the 1.2.7.7 installed
[01:51] <ycco> Maybe have a set of people who are dedicated to answering questions about the live tutorial as it is going on.   have a (#questions) or something to answer the questions from that tutorial.
[01:51] <ycco> so you'd monotir two channels at once with a split screen.
[01:51] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to tell who is connected to me doing an scp??  a "w" doesn't show it
[01:51] <ycco> it'd be a cool idea.
[01:51] <ycco> I'm so smart.
[01:51] <scaroo> keyfa770, whate you got installed are the bianries (the libs)
[01:51] <jesuel> hrm, tvtime no work :(
[01:52] <scaroo> if you want to compile anyting wich depend on a lib, you need the headers files of it
[01:52] <keyfa770_> scaroo, ahh okay.
[01:52] <scaroo> which is in the -dev packages
[01:52] <ycco> scaroo: yeah, but that requires like, reading and stuff. :)
[01:52] <ycco> scaroo: and I don't know anything about coding.
[01:52] <ermo> could anyone tell me about 'waimea'? Is it a WM? Or is it actually two identically named, but entirely different WMs?
[01:52] <ycco> ermo: it's a window manager
[01:52] <mindphasr> ermo: It's a WM
[01:52] <ycco> ermo: based on blackbox
[01:52] <keyfa770_> crimsun, thanks a lot mate! :)
[01:53] <Parallax_> how do I close X to install NVIDIA Drivers?
[01:53] <ycco> Parallax_: ctrl+alt+ F1
[01:53] <ycco> Parallax_: then...
[01:53] <ycco>  /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:53] <Parallax_> that is
[01:53] <ycco>  /etc/init.d/gdm start
[01:53] <Parallax_> ok perfect
[01:54] <ycco> well.. sec.
[01:54] <ycco> what are you trying to do?
[01:54] <ermo> ycco, mindphasr, I see. Is the Waimea you are referring to available here: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fwaimea
[01:54] <ycco> I wouldn't install the nvidia drivers from them...   do this Parallax_
[01:54] <Parallax_> i have the 6600 GT and i need to install nVidia Drivres for it
[01:54] <ycco> Parallax_: apt-cache search nvidia
[01:54] <ermo> ycco, mindphasr, or are you referring to the sourceforge.net waimea?
[01:54] <ycco> Parallax_: install em' that way.
[01:54] <keyfa770_> Parallax_, try to use killall X, and if the loginmanager starts try killall gdm-binary and then killall X
[01:54] <Parallax_> but the apt ones are not compatible with the Serie 6
[01:55] <ycco> Parallax_: oh. :(
[01:55] <ycco> Parallax_: bummer bud.
[01:55] <ycco> Parallax_: yeah, do the gdm stop thingy.
[01:55] <Parallax_> ok
[01:55] <ycco> it close it cleanly
[01:55] <ycco> as opposed to killall X
[01:55] <ycco> heh
[01:55] <ycco> keyfa770_: :P
[01:56] <mindphasr> ermo: Looks like it
[01:56] <ycco> I guess you could have done killall -9 X  heh.
[01:56] <mindphasr> ermo: It says right there its a window manager
[01:56] <scaroo> Parallax_, got the same card
[01:56] <Parallax_> what did you do?
[01:56] <sm> hi all.. can anyone point me to a bug/fix for losing 1024x768 in recent hoary
[01:56] <scaroo> juste install linux-restricted-modules
[01:56] <scaroo> corresponding to your current kerlnel
[01:56] <scaroo> then nvidi-glx
[01:57] <ycco> Parallax_: try it that way.... like scaroo is saying.  Sounds much cleaner.
[01:57] <scaroo> then edit your xorg.conf
[01:57] <Parallax_> so it has to be with hoary
[01:57] <scaroo> see in the Device section, replace your current Driver by "nvidia"
[01:57] <ermo> mindphasr, if I'm not mistaken, I used the short hand form of 'window manager' WM in my original question. I was merely trying to ascertain whether there exist one or two 'waimea' projects. I see now that there is but one.
[01:58] <jesuel> ycco: big improvement?
[01:58] <ycco> jesuel: no clue... but I think it's using xorg right?
[01:58] <scaroo> Parallax_, if in warty edit XFree86Config
[01:58] <ycco> jesuel: I'm always just wanting the latest.  (but too scared to go with hoary again)
[01:58] <jesuel> personally, i have no IDEA
[01:58] <mindphasr> ermo: um, okay.. Couldnt just check yourself? heh ;)
[01:58] <jesuel> this is my first day back in linux in over 3 years
[01:59] <scaroo> then you can add Option "RenderAccel" "True"
[01:59] <ycco> ermo: there is just one window manager called waimea
[01:59] <Parallax_> scaroo: Have you played games with that driver?
[01:59] <keyfa770_> gaah... the ubuntu servers are kinda slow :(
[01:59] <ermo> ycco, indeed. I didn't check the sourceforge project home page link out. My bad.
[01:59] <jesuel> keyfa770_: indeed
[01:59] <ycco> ermo: :D
[01:59] <scaroo> Parallax_, yup
[02:00] <scaroo> ET, Doom3
[02:00] <keyfa770_> 5.4kbps... that sucks when you have T1
[02:00] <jesuel> hehe ;p
[02:00] <scaroo> HL2 via cedega(wine fork)
[02:00] <Parallax_> works all right?
[02:00] <scaroo> like a charm !
[02:00] <Parallax_> kool
[02:00] <jesuel> i just have 6mb/768up dsl, and im sloooowly getting my dl done
[02:00] <jesuel> about 6kb/sec atm
[02:01] <levander> deft, u still here?
[02:01] <keyfa770_> :)
[02:02] <Ex-Cyber> and magically X is slow again :/
[02:03] <keyfa770_> wow 9.2 kbps!
[02:03] <keyfa770_> todays record!
[02:06] <Parallax_> scaroo: Have you got amd64?
[02:06] <jesuel> mmmm quake3 running beautiful
[02:08] <jesse_132> Anyone using a bluetooth input devices?  (I just purchased the logitech MX900 mouse and have an apple bluetooth keyboard as well... hope to use them all together)
[02:08] <jesuel> im using a logitech dinovo
[02:08] <jesuel> works just fine
[02:08] <sjoerd> mx900 works fine here
[02:09] <jesse_132> what did you guys do?
[02:09] <jesuel> it worked out of the box for me
[02:09] <jesse_132> I had it working for a few minutes, but when I tried to use my apple keyboard as well, (using hid2hci so the bluetooth cradle can talk to more devices ....) it stopped working
[02:10] <ycco> crimsun: bbiab, gotta put the girls down to bed.
[02:10] <levander> is funny, first time i installed ubuntu, x-windows got setup with very little refresh rate, had to rerun setup, now my monitor running at higher refresh rate than I knew it had
[02:10] <jesuel> weird
[02:11] <Cy909> hi
[02:11] <Ex-Cyber> this is really weird, X went back to being really slow without any config changes that I can think of :/
[02:11] <Cy909> need help about gdm ?
[02:11] <Parallax_> I have a centrino and apt-build asks me what computer do i have, its telling me a few  options, what should i check:     Pentium, Pentium-mmx, Pentiumpro, pentium2, pentium3, pentium4   ???????
[02:11] <jesuel> pentium4 i would suppose
[02:11] <Cy909> may I contact someone ?
[02:12] <adamZ> parallax_: Is there a Pentium-M option?
[02:12] <Parallax_> i dont know
[02:12] <Parallax_> nop
[02:12] <levander> i vote pentium4 as guess also
[02:12] <Parallax_> ok
[02:12] <Parallax_> done
[02:12] <levander> it work??
[02:12] <Cy909> how can I regain root user ?
[02:12] <Cy909> need help about GDM
[02:12] <jesse_132> I think a centrino is based on pentuim 3
[02:13] <jesuel> hrm
[02:13] <Parallax_> dont tell me that now
[02:13] <jesse_132> (hehe and the fastest centrino ~ 2ghz is faster than the fastest P4 with hyperthreading turned on!)
[02:13] <Parallax_> i allready check pentium4
[02:13] <levander> cy909, i try leaving it without root user, but i did see a howto on ubuntu web site for doing that awhile back
[02:13] <jesuel> what speed is the centrino?
[02:13] <Parallax_> 1.6
[02:13] <jesuel> thats a p4
[02:14] <jesuel> the p3 arch topped out @ 1.4
[02:14] <jesuel> and that was a socket 370 arch
[02:14] <keyfa770_> when i use totem to play mp3-files it says: "Desktop/02-adult.-shake_your_head-dps.mp3".
[02:14] <keyfa770_> Failed to open; reason unknown" anyone know what to do?
[02:14] <Parallax_> ok
[02:15] <jesuel> As well, i believe your notebook might even have a intel sticker that says pentium 4 on it anyhow
[02:15] <jesuel> unless thats gone
[02:15] <keyfa770_> the sound in ubuntu works fine... so i dont think its a hardware problem or so..
[02:15] <jesuel> i know i remove those stickers like the first day, cause they wear off anyhow
[02:15] <keyfa770_> jesuel, yes i do have an intel
[02:15] <keyfa770_> ;)
[02:15] <Parallax_> nop
[02:15] <keyfa770_> i donts have the sticker though
[02:15] <Parallax_> Intel Centrino
[02:16] <jesuel> *shrug*
[02:16] <jesuel> its a p4
[02:16] <jesuel> im very very sure
[02:16] <adamZ> it's not though. It's a pentium m, but I think it will work with p4 optimizations
[02:16] <levander> ubuntu rocks, this 1st time i've done linux install that really feels like a destkop computer
[02:17] <jesuel> i still prefer my mobile athlon64 lappy :)
[02:17] <Parallax_> athlon64??
[02:18] <jesuel> yeah
[02:18] <Parallax_> kool
[02:18] <tfh> a64 rocks
[02:18] <jesuel> has a athlon64 3000+ in it ;p
[02:18] <Parallax_> I will wait now for the turion
[02:18] <jesuel> and radeon 9600
[02:18] <tfh> is ubuntu any good on a64
[02:18] <jesuel> thats ..../happy
[02:18] <adamZ> keyfa770_: Did you follow the instructions on the wiki to get mp3 support?
[02:19] <tfh> cos i use gentoo x86_64 on my amd 64 but if ubuntu works flawlessly i might switch lol
[02:19] <Parallax_> just install xmms
[02:19] <levander> anybody has setup dovecot for imap server on ubuntu? i just need a pointer to tell me where to start
[02:21] <ironwolf> anyone else seeing problems creating an agenda via auto-pilot on ubuntu?  It says the templates it needs aren't there.
[02:22] <jdub> levander: i have
[02:22] <jdub> levander: install dovecot. then, basically, you're done.
[02:23] <levander> jdub, which smtp app am i prolly using with a new basic ubuntu install?
[02:23] <jesuel> postfix
[02:24] <keyfa770_> adamZ, yeah, bot i believe i didnt got wiser :/
[02:24] <neighborlee> has anyone else tried the robin hood demo..the mouse is moving VERY sluggishly in ubunt whereas a gentoo friend says he's not experiencing that at all...???
[02:24] <Cy909> need help in configuring GDM in console mode
[02:24] <Cy909> need help in configuring GDM in console mode
[02:24] <keyfa770_> i have ./configure and make zsnes for ubuntu, but i really dont know how to start it... gosh i hate to ask these questions..
[02:25] <jesuel> keyfa770_: did you make install as well?
[02:29] <keyfa770_> jesuel, now i did :)
[02:29] <keyfa770_> the linux thing is difficult at a beggining, but still fun :)
[02:29] <keyfa770_> now i know!
[02:31] <jesuel> yes it is fun
[02:31] <jesuel> its a learning experience
[02:33] <keyfa770_> :)
[02:33] <jesuel> im just trying to get back into it enough so that after i move and start my new job ill have my computers setup well. That way i can focus on work. 2 months off work is a nice leisure time to learn linux
[02:33] <keyfa770_> hehe, sure is! :)
[02:33] <jesuel> plus moving across country
[02:33] <jesuel> at least ill be out of california
[02:34] <keyfa770_> ohh.. good weather et cetera :)
[02:34] <keyfa770_> in sweden its quite cold :(
[02:34] <jesuel> nah not really, im moving back east, to indiana
[02:34] <jesuel> i *HATE* california, too expensive here
[02:34] <SirPsy> crimsun
[02:34] <jesuel> sweden may be cold, but its beautiful
[02:34] <keyfa770_> oh i see
[02:35] <SirPsy> crimsun : i did dries@cc392968-c:/ $ df -h var
[02:35] <SirPsy> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[02:35] <keyfa770_> beautiful in the summers yes, frozing hell in winters...
[02:35] <keyfa770_> :(
[02:35] <jesuel> hahah ;p
[02:35] <jesuel> how cold keyfa770_ ?
[02:35] <SirPsy> ./dev/hda9             8.8G  1.6G  6.8G  19% /
[02:35] <SirPsy> but i still get the same error
[02:35] <SirPsy> ;p
[02:35] <jesuel> like more than -10c?
[02:36] <keyfa770_> i think its -7 celsius
[02:36] <jesuel> thats not so bad
[02:36] <jesuel> Could be alot worse
[02:36] <keyfa770_> it's a little better now, but for a few weeks ago it was somewhere around -14 c
[02:37] <jesuel> Ive actually walked to work in -15c ...before...like 4 blocks
[02:37] <jesuel> i was....frozzzzen
[02:37] <ycco> crimsun: back
[02:37] <zim> hi
[02:38] <keyfa770_> jesuel, i can imagine :)
[02:39] <zim> i am trying to run a bash script from a webpage how would i do this ??
[02:39] <zim> are there any place i can rfm i have googled but cant find anything
[02:40] <LinuxJones> zim, that's a rather weird thing to do :D
[02:41] <Scooter> I have 2 windoes partitions on my system, and a Fedora3 also.. i installed Ubuntu and everything went well except for the MBR... it is still the Fedora core 3 bootloader... anyone know how I can overwrite the fedora one, or how I can tweak the fedora MBR to work with Ubuntu? TIA
[02:42] <adamZ> What bootloader is it using?
[02:42] <Scooter> the Fedora one
[02:42] <adamZ> do you know whether it's grub or lilo?
[02:42] <Scooter> grub
[02:43] <zim> what i want is a panic script so if i lose my key i can goto foo.foo.foo push a button and it makes a new key uploads the private key to an https with a .htaccess
[02:43] <adamZ> ok. Boot your fedora partition, and edit the file /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:43] <Scooter> ok :)
[02:43] <adamZ> add the info for your ubuntu partition in that file
[02:44] <adamZ> just remember grub counts partitions from 0, not 1
[02:44] <Scooter> ok
[02:44] <zim> the script is easy just need to run it from a webpage
[02:44] <Scooter> ok thankyou :)
[02:44] <adamZ> no prob. Come back if you can't figure it out
[02:45] <zim> adamz any ideas
[02:46] <zim> see
[02:47] <adamZ> I've never actually run a webserver, but shouldn't you be able to just put the file in the cgi-bin directory?
[02:47] <haroldzoid> Can I use wine to download images from a digital camera? There is a camera I want to get, but there is no linux support for it.
[02:48] <melazyboy2> haroldzoid: ... i woulden't get it then,, but there most new hardware will have some sort of linux support
[02:48] <jesse_132> jesuel, what Amd 64 lappie you have?  The emachine?
[02:49] <jesuel> emachine m6805
[02:49] <jesuel> quite modified now
[02:49] <haroldzoid> can I use any digital camera as an usb mass storage device and get the images that way?
[02:49] <melazyboy2> haroldzoid: wines doesn't run drivers, its runs executables, drivers instruct the kernel what to do you would need a wrapper like NDISWrapper
[02:49] <haroldzoid> I see
[02:49] <jesuel> i yanked off the plastic casing, and got a aluminum made in the exact dimensions
[02:49] <melazyboy2> haroldzoid: I would assume so.. i have yet to see a digital camera that coulden't be mounted as a drive
[02:49] <jesuel> i painted that blue with some airbrushing
[02:50] <haroldzoid> ok that is good news, thank you
[02:50] <melazyboy2> haroldzoid: Buy it, try it, and then decide if you want to keep it -- thats how you keep retailers busy and high school drop outs employeed, customer service++
[02:50] <jesuel> melazyboy2: *snicker*
[02:51] <haroldzoid> got it
[02:52] <alumik> melazyboy2, samsung digimax 210
[02:53] <melazyboy2> ?
[02:53] <alumik> can't be mounted
[02:53] <_Bog> hello
[02:54] <jesse_132> jesuel, thats cool!
[02:56] <jesse_132> jesuel, I bought one but the Bios issue it had at the time (where if you use it on batteries, then plug it back in, the cpu remains slow unless you ...) made me return it for a centrino :(
[02:56] <jesuel> jesse_132: that issue bugged me for a while untill it was fixed
[02:57] <jesuel> when did you get yours?
[02:57] <xhypno> Hey Room!!!
[02:57] <jesse_132> jesuel, the first week it was released
[02:57] <xhypno> I have a weird problem
[02:57] <jesse_132> returned it a month later
[02:57] <jesuel> ahh
[02:57] <jesuel> i got mine last jan
[02:57] <xhypno> Anyone familar with USB Jump Drives????
[02:57] <jesuel> they kept being sold out :(
[02:58] <jesse_132> jesuel, when did the fix it?  the tech support was saying they have no idea if it will be fixed, and recommened that I just use it without the battery... I told them I bought a laptop to be a laptop... not a small desktop)
[02:58] <jesuel> it was fixed by the time i got it
[02:58] <jesuel> if i remember right it was a pretty quick fix
[02:58] <jesuel> from release
[02:58] <jesse_132> dooh
[02:58] <jesse_132> I wish I had it still
[02:58] <jesuel> btw, DONT trust emachine support
[02:58] <jesuel> they are f'n dumb ;p
[02:59] <jesse_132> my HP is nice ... but AMD64 is what I wanted
[02:59] <jesuel> I knew they would fix it
[02:59] <jesuel> it was a silly error and quite easy to fix
[02:59] <jesse_132> I'm thinking of trading up for a powerbook, but I'm gonna wait until this summer ...
[02:59] <jesuel> Oh im about to dump this machine and go for something better soon
[03:00] <jesse_132> jesuel, at the time nothing worked in linux either... there were a few people talking about it... but nobody had wireless or video working
[03:00] <melazyboy2> omfg
[03:00] <melazyboy2> www.zboard.com/us/BattleNet/
[03:00] <melazyboy2> isn't that going a little to far
[03:00] <melazyboy2> specialized keyboards for a game
[03:00] <xhypno> Ok, Since no one answered, Automount on for /dev/sda1 stopped functioning. It is set correctly, and mtab is right? any Ideas!!!!
[03:00] <jesuel> jesse_132: yeah there was that
[03:01] <jesse_132> jesuel, they working now?
[03:01] <jesuel> jesse_132: have no idea
[03:01] <jesse_132> oh, you use it in doze?
[03:01] <jesuel> i dont run linux on it
[03:01] <jesuel> YET
[03:01] <jesse_132> gmail is down!!! dooh!
[03:01] <jesuel> it is?
[03:01] <jesuel> works fine for me
[03:01] <jesuel> http or pop3
[03:02] <jesse_132> Gmail is temporarilally unavailable: cross your fingers and try again in a few minutes ...
[03:02] <jesuel> working for me ;p
[03:03] <Parallax_> ok Pentium-M is Pentium 3
[03:03] <Parallax_> with SSE
[03:03] <jesse_132> probably just the login server
[03:03] <robrob> Hi, I'm having a problem with my CD-RW drive under 4.10, is this the appropriate place to ask for help?
[03:03] <alumik> yeah, pop dont work
[03:03] <jesuel> i rarely use the website
[03:03] <jesse_132> Parallax_, yeah, I thought it was the P3 with certain stuff backported
[03:03] <jesuel> my pop3 works fine for gmail though
[03:03] <Parallax_> i just found it on the gentoo page
[03:03] <jesuel> Parallax_: really?
[03:03] <jesuel> wow i seriously thought it was a p4
[03:04] <Parallax_> thy know 'bout that
[03:04] <jesse_132> jesuel, nope, that is whats great about it... intel was wrong about P4 ...   they are basing future chips off the P-M and amd!
[03:04] <jesuel> haha thats funny
[03:05] <jesuel> ill just stick with mah amd ;p
[03:05] <Ex-Cyber> what should I read to figure out how to rebuild a package with debugging symbols?
[03:05] <jesuel> now my poor linux box is running on a via c3 800 mhz
[03:05] <jesuel> i really need to fix that soon
[03:05] <jesuel> that processor is hopelessly slow
[03:07] <jesuel> hrm time to go play matrix ;p
[03:07] <_Bog> how do I get involved with the ubuntu security team?
[03:08] <levander> how do i get started configuring fetchmail on a ubuntu system?
[03:09] <jesuel> do you have it installed?
[03:09] <levander> no idea
[03:09] <levander> i'll check
[03:09] <jesuel> yeah
[03:10] <levander> jesuel, yeah, it's installed
[03:10] <jesuel> so you just need to make a .fetchmailrc
[03:10] <jesuel> and then start fetchmail :)
[03:10] <levander> does the dpkg-reconfigure script do this, or should i run fetchmailconf?
[03:11] <levander> think i need ta run fetchmailconf, thanks though jesuel, the reconfigure script didn't do nothing
[03:11] <jesuel> i personally didnt like fetchmailconf
[03:11] <jesuel> making a config is pretty easy
[03:12] <levander> jesuel, well apparently fetchmailconf not on system, guess i'll do it your way
[03:12] <jesuel> lol
[03:13] <piratePenguin> would I be better off setting up iptables and just forgetting about it or using http://www.fs-security.com/ firestarter firewall?
[03:14] <xhypno> iptables if you have the time
[03:15] <_Bog> pirate: how does firestarter differ?
[03:15] <xhypno> they are weird to setup the first couple of times, but allow alot more control
[03:15] <_Bog> pirate: iptables is very robust and stable
[03:16] <xhypno> you can null route single ip's and also complete networks if their was a need be
[03:17] <lexhider> FTBS, can someone please define?
[03:17] <_Bog> pirate: seems firestarter is very user friendly
[03:17] <_Bog> pirate: what are your specific requirements for a firewall?
[03:18] <xhypno> a few of the GUI's for iptables are user friendly also
[03:18] <_Bog> xhyp: agreed
[03:18] <piratePenguin> _Bog: block hackers :D
[03:19] <_Bog> pirate: do u connect directly to the Internet?
[03:19] <krism> piratePenguin : ... a software firewall to do this?
[03:19] <krism> piratePenguin : go buy a 40$ NAT router.
[03:19] <piratePenguin> hrm.. maybe
[03:19] <piratePenguin> yea I'm connected to the net directly
[03:20] <_Bog> pirate: IP tables will be simple to block traffic
[03:20] <_Bog> pirate: I'm all about experimenting with new tools thoughg
[03:20] <xhypno> why by a nat, most are very small linux distro's on an IC in a box
[03:20] <randabis> and how!
[03:20] <xhypno> just setup iptables or such and activate nat in it
[03:21] <_Bog> xhyp: a NAT for simplicity in a dedicated device thats treated like an appliance
[03:21] <piratePenguin> k, I'll learn iptables.. thanks all
[03:21] <xhypno> np
[03:21] <xhypno> NAT's are only resonable in aplications of 25  computers
[03:22] <_Bog> pirate: firestarter would be good if you wanted to monitor the traffic more closely (and knew how you wanted to respond to various events)
[03:22] <xhypno> and they have to be heavy duty
[03:22] <tfh> piratePenguin, check out monmotha's iptables firewall/nat script i find it very good
[03:22] <xhypno> tfh: Agreed
[03:23] <piratePenguin> tfh: that'll save a lot of time.. thanks
[03:23] <tfh> np
[03:23] <_Bog> pirate: I'd suggest iptables and any of the available guis
[03:25] <piratePenguin> gui = iptables gui yea?
[03:25] <xhypno> if you have to monitor traffic closely use tcpdump, then null route any unkown/unwanted connections
[03:25] <siimo> why does Ubuntu tie firefox with gnome and xfce?
[03:26] <siimo> if i do apt-get install xfce it wants to install firefox too
[03:26] <siimo> shouldnt the choice be left to the user? they can use galeon epiphany mozilla firefox dillo or whatever then want or nothing at all
[03:26] <_Bog> xyhp: not everyone wants to do protocol analysis with tcpdump
[03:26] <siimo> xfce doesnt *need* firefox
[03:27] <xhypno> _Bog: it is the best way to monitor traffic
[03:28] <_Bog> xhyp: I interpretted the firestarter events as policy driven (i.e. signatures/rule based)
[03:28] <_Bog> xhpy: yes, I've done SNA and TCP/IP protocol analysis since mid 90s
[03:28] <jdub> siimo:
[03:29] <jdub> Package: xfce4-utils
[03:29] <jdub> Depends: ... mozilla-firefox | epiphany-browser (>= 1.4.6) | galeon (>= 1.3.18) | konqueror | mozilla-browser | www-browser ...
[03:29] <_Bog> xhyp: best is not always appropriate for everyone though
[03:29] <ironwolf> Is anyone able to use auto-pilot on OOo to make a letter/letterhead?  I keep getting an error about not having the templates installed.  Is this just me? *if so, where do I look* If not, how can I document to help get a fix?
[03:29] <jdub> siimo: so if you have any of the others, firefox won't be installed.
[03:29] <ironwolf> sorry, this is on hoary.
[03:30] <julio> and how does one put a trashcan icon on the deskto?
[03:30] <julio> desktop?*
[03:30] <_Bog> xhyp: is there any meetings for the ubuntu security team?
[03:31] <alumik> julio, use the configuration editor
[03:31] <Ex-Cyber> what should I read to figure out how to rebuild a package with debugging symbols?
[03:31] <julio> i've tried, but i haven't been able to find exactly where.
[03:31] <kent> julio, application/nautilus (something like that)
[03:31] <alumik>  /apps/nautilus/desktop/trash_icon_visible
[03:31] <julio> thank you.
[03:31] <julio> :-D
[03:31] <julio> finally a desktop trashcan i con!
[03:31] <julio> icon*
[03:35] <xhypno> _Bog: srry about that. I don't know if there is a Ubuntu security team yet, if there is were do I sign up???
[03:36] <_Bog> xhyp: that was my next Q :)
[03:36] <xhypno> _Bog: LOL. Lets try to start one
[03:36] <_Bog> xhyp: the security team is listed, contact is:TBA
[03:37] <_Bog> xhyp: I've been working lately to launch a security incident response team for users and developers of open-source software
[03:37] <xhypno> _Bog: I will have to e-mail the Ubuntu dev team and find out
[03:37] <xhypno> _Bog: That is very needed
[03:37] <kbrooks> _Bog, hmmm. can i be in the team?
[03:37] <_Bog> www.securityhive.com is my site
[03:38] <Ex-Cyber> do ubuntu kernels have oprofile support?
[03:38] <_Bog> and I was planning to support any opensource software
[03:38] <kbrooks> can i be in the team?
[03:38] <_Bog> kb: absolutely :)
[03:39] <kbrooks> and how do i get to be in the team?
[03:39] <_Bog> kb xhyp: I was planning on being able to addess the following type of questions "how do I prevent my system/application from being hacked", "how do I know if I've been hacked", "what do I do when I've been hacked"
[03:40] <nevyn> s/hacked/cracked/g
[03:40] <_Bog> bk xhyp: and since not all projects have a security team.. "how do I report a vulnerability"
[03:40] <kbrooks> _Bog, be careful. sometimes the word 'hacked' hurts people's feelings
[03:40] <_Bog> nev: yes.. I'm being very liberal with the term
[03:41] <xhypno> _Bog: I agree and I don't mind helping in any way possible.
[03:41] <_Bog> knb: agreed
[03:41] <_Bog> xhp: I'll submit some of my plans to ubuntu
[03:41] <xhypno> kb: Why I use it all the time
[03:41] <xhypno> _Bog: cool
[03:41] <_Bog> xhyp: I think ubuntu could also use a plan/strategy to secure their infrastucture and operations
[03:41] <kbrooks> _Bog, hello?
[03:42] <kbrooks> are you listening to my question
[03:42] <kbrooks> _Bog: how do i get to be in the team?
[03:42] <_Bog> kb: the team doesn't exist yet.. but I'm starting to assemble my team at www.securityhive.com
[03:43] <jdub> _Bog: we have a security team and admin team.
[03:43] <kbrooks> _Bog, btw, you can call me kyle. it's my real name, user name and account name
[03:43] <kbrooks> as you can see by:
[03:43] <_Bog> jbuh: ok... site didn't list a contact
[03:43] <kbrooks> kyle@kyle:~ $
[03:43] <kbrooks> ;)
[03:45] <kbrooks> _Bog, are you on *nix btw
[03:45] <_Bog> kb: I'm on Windows at the moment
[03:45] <kbrooks> cool.
[03:47] <xhypno> _Bog: I am on a windows box, sshed into a RH box, in irc through a cgi script running on another RH box. Computers are fun
[03:47] <kbrooks> xhypno, wow.
[03:47] <kbrooks> complicated.
[03:48] <_Bog> xhyp: I usually terminal serve to window and from there connect to everything I need
[03:48] <ironwolf> kbrooks: it's only complicated if you use redhat. :)
[03:48] <Hitchhiker90> ugh
[03:48] <Hitchhiker90> can I apt-get remove my girlfriend?
[03:48] <BamaJank> LMFAO
[03:48] <xhypno> LOL very true
[03:49] <kbrooks> ironwolf, it's complicated with two boxes.
[03:49] <kbrooks> xhypno, do you own the rh box
[03:49] <BamaJank> you having problems mounting your g/f, Hitchhiker90 ?
[03:49] <ironwolf> OpenOffice people... Does autopilot work for you on Ubuntu?  I'm trying to create a letter/letterhead that way and I'm getting template errors.  Where do I start?
[03:49] <kbrooks> LOL
[03:50] <aebcoat> i have oo but never done that
[03:50] <aebcoat> how would i test?
[03:50] <xhypno> kb: No I hate RH, but I am a sys admin working on close to 300 or more of them
[03:51] <Hitchhiker90> bam, problems unmounting her.  she seems to be spitting out a lot of useless data at the moment
[03:51] <BamaJank> she can't take the stream, Hitchhiker90 ?
[03:51] <BamaJank> common failing
[03:51] <jdub> ah, dudes, keep it nice please.
[03:51] <ironwolf> aebcoat: file-->auto-pilot-->letter ... answer the questions, hit create *at the end* and tell me if you get an error or if it actually creates it.
[03:51] <LADoctor> hi
[03:52] <LADoctor> i am new to linux and i would like to find out how can i instal programs in linux after i download them
[03:52] <LADoctor> and which program extensions to download
[03:52] <aebcoat> template required cannot be found
[03:53] <bretzel> Hi all :-) -- Please I need the args for vfat read-write + noexec bit in fstab ... Can't recall who gave me this precious infos :-)
[03:53] <LinuxJones> LADoctor, what program are you trying to install ?
[03:53] <BamaJank> apt and yum are options, LADoctor, you say Linux
[03:53] <bretzel> bob2 ?
[03:53] <ironwolf> LADoctor: in ubuntu, it's generally all handled in synaptic or apt.  Look for Synaptic Package Manager in the menus
[03:54] <ironwolf> aebcoat: thanks, I'm not crazy.... now, where do I find what I need to put where?  Anybody?
[03:54] <LADoctor> i wanted to instal opera on redhat
[03:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is the config file for gnome volume manager?
[03:55] <LADoctor> i am just download ubuntu
[03:55] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: it stores its configuration in gconf. use the gui, or gconf-editor.
[03:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> gui?
[03:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> for fuck's sake man.
[03:57] <bretzel> Sorry for re-asking: I need the args for vfat read-write + noexec bit + user access in fstab ... Can't recall who gave me this precious infos :-) Can't find the info in the ubuntu wiki/faqs
[03:57] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: keep it nice, please.
[03:57] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, what's the matter
[03:57] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: language.
[03:57] <bretzel> can't remember exactly : dmask; user; and the umask ...
[03:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> the gui doesn' really allow me to configure anything.
[03:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> the "removable storage" you mean?
[03:58] <LinuxJones> If his caps name isn't revolting enuff he has a mouth like a drunken sailor
[03:58] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, yes, that's it.  Try to be nice to those that help you.
[03:58] <sgtshatta> daniels: question about audio with media players in hoary?
[03:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> tritium: i'm not being mean.  i'm just saying, it's revolting to have to use a gui.  and removable storage doesn't do anything useful.
[03:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm trying to set which devices are mounted at which point unde /mnt
[03:59] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: so perhaps you should explain what you need to do, nicely.
[03:59] <sgtshatta> daniels: The only media player that has audio right now in hoary is gxine all the others like mplayer gmplayer and totem have no audio, have you ever seen this??
[03:59] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: you can't set that.
[03:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> then where does i mount them?
[03:59] <jdub> under /media/
[03:59] <jdub> type mount, you'll see where your current device is mounted
[04:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> mount uses fstab..
[04:00] <sgtshatta> daniels: It keeps compaining about /dev/dsp is busy, this sound daemon does not get released by the other apps
[04:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh i think i see what you mean
[04:00] <daniels> sgtshatta: try running 'killall esd'
[04:00] <sgtshatta> daniels: ok
[04:00] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: the hal/g-v-m system in use in ubuntu, fstab is not used for removable media
[04:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> but i can't make it mount things under /mnt in any way?
[04:01] <jdub> no.
[04:01] <jdub> there is no location persistence yet.
[04:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> or rather, it's persistently in /media/ instead of /mnt
[04:02] <heliolith> what's the command to re-start esd if "kill-all" turns it off?
[04:02] <daniels> heliolith: iirc it just restarts automatically
[04:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> but say i had four cd-rom drives, how would i set where each one was mounted under /media?
[04:02] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: no, there is no persistent location.
[04:02] <heliolith> daniels ok ty
[04:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> you just said it's under /media
[04:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> that seems pretty persistent to me.
[04:03] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: i have lots of folders under /media
[04:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> daniels: me too.
[04:03] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: it will be mounted in a folder under /media. that location is not persistent. it is generated.
[04:03] <daniels> BROKEN_LADDER: your cdrom could be /media/hdc one day, and /media/bristling-and-frustrating-to-those-trying-to-help-you the next day.
[04:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> well, i have directories, not folders.
[04:03] <jdub> you cannot persist a location for it to mount on.
[04:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> good one daniels.
[04:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> that gave me a chuckle.
[04:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> that directory you mean.
[04:04] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: you're rapidly building a reputation for yourself as someone not worth helping.
[04:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> i thought daniels's comment was genuinely funny.
[04:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> i wasn't mocking him.
[04:05] <daniels> (think about the point embedded in it also.)
[04:05] <Demitar> I think he was referring to "directories" vs "folders" rather.
[04:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> well we're not in windows now are we?
[04:06] <Rattboi> we also don't need to make things more difficult than they need to be, do we?
[04:06] <omaru> BROKEN_LADDER: in that case we use paths to the files.... I guess
[04:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> in any case, it seems like gvm is a pretty new thing yeah?  so it will probably be a lot more customizable in the future?
[04:07] <jdub> possibly.
[04:07] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, try to appreciate the help, and not criticize nitpicky details
[04:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have obsessive compulsive order.
[04:08] <Demitar> Well, then you can add ":-)" to everything and it will come across in a friendly tone. :)
[04:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> :-) great you jerk.
[04:08] <BamaJank> LOL Demitar :-)
[04:08] <aebcoat> ironwolf i fixed it
[04:08] <aebcoat> you still here?
[04:08] <Demitar> BROKEN_LADDER, yes, that felt much better. ;)
[04:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> gawd this channel is so good-for-nothing.  it makes me want to stop using ubuntu. :-)
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: not to sound like a broken record but your all caps nick is also offputting
[04:08] <mindphasr> who was the one that was havig the problem with tvtime earlier?
[04:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> but if i change it in here, i have to change it in every other channel.
[04:09] <BamaJank> LOL
[04:09] <zen_> ha! finaly i found a blank cd-r
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> mindphasr: I can't remember, but he got it working
[04:09] <sgtshatta> daniels: umm I like to watch anime on my box alot but the only media player that has audio is gxine the others dont my favorite being gmplayer is there something missing from when I installed mplayer??
[04:09] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: we have a code of conduct, that makes this community pleasant to work with. you should read it, think about it, and come back later.
[04:09] <zen_> burning the new hoary now
[04:09] <bretzel> anyone knows why mkfs.vfat can't be run for 30 gb partition ?
[04:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> jdub: okay.
[04:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> where is it posted?
[04:09] <Tuxicity> did I come at the wrong moment?
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> bretzel: it doesn't support >20gb
[04:09] <mindphasr> HrdwrBoB: What problem did he have? Seems tvtime just broke on me
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> bretzel: use parted
[04:09] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, you've been treated very kindly, and with a great deal of patience
[04:09] <bretzel> sorry: re-phrasing: why mkfs.vfat fails telling that it can't create a too large filesys
[04:10] <HrdwrBoB> mindphasr: he didn't have the repositires correctly added, after it was installed it worked correctly
[04:10] <bretzel> parted ?
[04:10] <mindphasr> HrdwrBoB: ahh
[04:10] <HrdwrBoB> bretzel: same reason :)
[04:10] <daniels> sgtshatta: try running killall esd before you run mplayer, maybe?  or it could be that ou're missing codecs or something
[04:10] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: on the website; http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[04:10] <HrdwrBoB> yes, parted can create larger fat32 partition
[04:10] <HrdwrBoB> s
[04:10] <bretzel> thanks :-)
[04:10] <HrdwrBoB> not a problem :)
[04:11] <unb> Hello. I'm testing Gnoppix 0.9.3b3 (hoary) and it seems to have a non-empty root passwd. Does anyone know what the root passwd is?
[04:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> there's a quote on there by desmond tutu.
[04:11] <sgtshatta> daniels: well, maybe but that does not help either hmm it worked under warty but something is different under hoary!!
[04:11] <daniels> sgtshatta: weird.  i'm not sure, sorry.
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> unb: there is no root password, ubuntu uses sudo for running things as root
[04:12] <sgtshatta> daniels: its all good but thanx am gonna wrap my head around it see if I can break it!!
[04:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> it seems like the people behind ubuntu went to a place that i've never seen before in any project.  they acually addressed the non-technical humanitarian side of things.
[04:12] <unb> HrdwrBoB: I know, but this Gnoppix thing does seem to have one. "sudo passwd root" asks me for a password to proceed :(
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> unb: yes, your user password
[04:13] <randabis> lolz
[04:13] <zen_> is the new ati driver in hoary repository?
[04:14] <daniels> zen_: yes
[04:14] <unb> HrdwrBoB: Which is? If I type "passwd" it asks me for my current password. I hit return and it says "Authentication failure".
[04:14] <zen_> ok
[04:14] <djtansey> has anyone here had problems with hoary and firefox? i'm getting it crashing on several websites
[04:14] <djtansey> saying there was an error BadMatch
[04:15] <tritium> daniels, cool - you've already addressed bug #5748.  Nice turn-around.
[04:16] <HrdwrBoB> unb: so you don't know your password?
[04:17] <tritium> unb, do you hit return without entering a password?
[04:17] <unb> HrdwrBoB: This is Gnoppix, the live CD with hoary on it. I don't login, it just puts me into the Gnome desktop.
[04:18] <unb> HrdwrBoB: Yes, I just hit return,
[04:19] <Demitar> unb, http://www.gnoppix.org/pages/faq/index.html#faq08
[04:19] <Demitar> Possibly it works without the "root" part.
[04:19] <Demitar> Else, your cd seems borked.
[04:19] <[Bruce] > why does anyone need to set the root password on a live cd with sudo?
[04:20] <piratePenguin> is there an easy way to update the /etc/rcX.d links so I can add my firewall script (in /etc/init.d/firewall)
[04:21] <tritium> update-rc.d?
[04:21] <piratePenguin> thanks
[04:22] <tritium> :)
[04:22] <unb> Demitar: I read that FAQ. I guess I must conclude that the latest Gnoppix beta is broken. I also tried the menu Applications --> System Tools --> Root terminal. I get a window asking me for the root password again! I leave it empty, click OK, and ...  nothing happens.
[04:23] <[Bruce] > sudo -s?
[04:23] <unb> Bruce: I want to apt-get install qtparted. My goal is to repartition the hard drive in this laptop which came with a single Windows partition.
[04:23] <[Bruce] > .....
[04:23] <[Bruce] > and?
[04:24] <Demitar> unb, yes, it sounds quite weird.
[04:24] <daniels> tritium: it was rather trivial to fix
[04:24] <unb> sudo -s asks me again for a password!
[04:24] <kbrooks> unb, user password
[04:25] <[Bruce] > have you played with passwords since booting?
[04:25] <[Bruce] > Coglike_: set one
[04:25] <kbrooks> it's the user password.
[04:25] <[Bruce] > *like
[04:25] <tritium> daniels, yeah.  It's an interesting one, though, since use of sudo is encouraged, yet that command wouldn't work
[04:25] <tritium> even if the path was fixed
[04:25] <unb> No, Gnoppix puts me right into the Gnome desktop after boot up. I don't have to login.
[04:25] <[Bruce] > that wasnt my question
[04:27] <daniels> tritium: yeah, it was broken in other cases as well
[04:28] <daniels> tritium: (i think nvidia-glx-config had the same problem)
[04:28] <tritium> Is that right?
[04:28] <mindphasr> Having problems with tvtime.. on startup I just get a tvtime with a greenish hue which looks like my root window zoomed in..it was working earlier..any ideas?
[04:28] <tritium> That's interesting.
[04:28] <thenuke> hmm.. did ubuntus cd have memtest86?
[04:29] <aebcoat> i have a memtest option on startup
[04:31] <Zeroz42> Um, hi. I would like to know what is Unbuntu's File system type
[04:31] <jdub> ext3 by default
[04:32] <King> Ubuntu ownz :S
[04:32] <Zeroz42> thanks
[04:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone know how to mount a samba share over an ssh tunnel?
[04:34] <jdub> you read a document the other day that clearly explained the process.
[04:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> i've set up the ssh tunnel but i can't figure out the exact command line for mounting the share, because it's on a linux box and the howto's describe mounting a windows box..
[04:34] <jdub> it's exactly the same.
[04:35] <[Bruce] > mount -t smbfs
[04:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't find a howto that describes the same hing i'm trying to do.
[04:35] <jdub> the document you read the other day clearly described exactly what you're trying to do.
[04:35] <Ex-Cyber> for some reason Linux and X have given me nothing but trouble lately :/
[04:35] <BROKEN_LADDER>  smbmount "\\\MICAHC\cvs" /mnt/brokenladder/ -o username=cvs,password=*****,ip=127.0.0.1
[04:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> what looks wrong with that?
[04:35] <daniels> (probably the fact you'd need to be root)
[04:35] <jdub> number of slashes
[04:35] <daniels> that too
[04:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's per the howto
[04:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm root
[04:36] <daniels> try \\
[04:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> the howto shows that line.  okay
[04:36] <mindphasr> Looks like xawtv and tvtime are broke for me now
[04:37] <Ex-Cyber> how can I get the latest fglrx package running with an older kernel version?
[04:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> no, the \\ causes it to give me the "help"
[04:38] <Ex-Cyber> seems like it should be either single quotes and \\ or double quotes and \\\\
[04:38] <Ex-Cyber> I don't see what three would accomplish
[04:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> http://www.ibiblio.org/gferg/ldp/Samba-with-SSH/Samba-with-SSH-6.html
[04:39] <Demitar> Doesn't the samba tools accept / rather than \? (Since it can become an awful lot of \\ when you pass it through the shell, sed and into a script. ;-)
[04:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> is smbmount just an alias to mount -t smbfs?
[04:40] <nevyn> I'm having massive stability problems with applications under ubuntu. is this most likely a hardware issue?
[04:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> it must be.
[04:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> it seems way stable for me.
[04:40] <Ex-Cyber> nevyn: depends on your configuration, but there's a pretty good chance
[04:41] <Ex-Cyber> the only way I've gotten ubuntu to crash is with DRI/GLX
[04:41] <Ex-Cyber> and that doesn't seem to be an Ubuntu-specific problem
[04:41] <King> er, from someone who hasn't used Linux muc, is Ubuntu secure by default ?
[04:41] <nevyn> the kernel seems fine (mostly) but I get GTK unable to assign resource crashes on apps sometimes.
[04:41] <unb> Ha! I found the user password .. ubuntu ! Why didn't I think of that before? Anyway, just for the record. Gnoppix 0.9.3b3 (Hoary) comes with "ubunto" as the user password.
[04:41] <nevyn> King: it's one of the tickbox features it has
[04:42] <unb> Sorry "ubuntu" as the user password.
[04:42] <Cindux> ic
[04:42] <nevyn> Cindux: hence stuff like root being disabled.
[04:42] <nevyn> if you choose weak passwords that's your problem.
[04:43] <Cindux> icic
[04:43] <Cindux> i chose a random combo of letters/#'s
[04:43] <Cindux> lol
[04:43] <Ex-Cyber> "Security is a process, not a product" -- Some guy whose name I forgot :/
[04:43] <Demitar> The only service listening on the network on a clean install would be dhcp.
[04:45] <nevyn> yep.
[04:45] <bretzel> me again :-) -- I gave up using parted... Created that vfat partition under XP :-( sorry --- now what is dmask value for avoiding the +x bit to all files ?
[04:46] <Ex-Cyber> there's really not a distro out there that's quite like Ubuntu, is there?
[04:46] <Demitar> Well, debian? :)
[04:46] <kbrooks> Ex-Cyber, debian
[04:46] <Ex-Cyber> not quite
[04:46] <Ex-Cyber> I did use Debian some years ago :)
[04:46] <Ex-Cyber> sadly I don't think I'll be able to use Ubuntu
[04:46] <nevyn> Ex-Cyber: ?
[04:47] <Demitar> I just switched from debian. :)
[04:47] <bretzel> Ex-Cyber :-) that's it - I used Mandrake; Fedora (c3 ) until I discovered Ubuntu !
[04:47] <nevyn> why not?
[04:47] <tritium> It's like debian that "just works" with a friendlier community
[04:47] <Ex-Cyber> I really wanted it to work, but xorg, the kernel, and my video card seem to be conspiring to make me bald through extended hair-pulling sessions
[04:47] <bretzel> hey tritium :-)
[04:47] <nevyn> tritium: I didn't have a big problem dealing with the debian community for a few years.
[04:47] <tritium> bretzel, hi
[04:47] <Cindux> I have a question, I'm just wondering
[04:47] <Sensebend> what's wrong with the debian community?
[04:48] <Tuxicity> How is called Tux's girlfriend? Tuxy :>
[04:48] <tritium> nothing, it's just not always newbie-friendly
[04:48] <Cindux> I have a .JPEG i'd like to use as my background, I'm just wondering where the DIR is for the default ubuntu backgrouds
[04:48] <Ex-Cyber> tritium: which is about as close to ideal as I expect to exist at the moment
[04:48] <Ex-Cyber> except that it hates my hardware, evidently
[04:48] <nevyn> Tuxicity: tuxette
[04:48] <tritium> Ex-Cyber, ATI problems?
[04:49] <nevyn> Tuxicity: or like most computer geeks tux doesn't have a girlfriend.
[04:49] <Tuxicity> nevyn, :(
[04:49] <Ex-Cyber> eh... shouldn't Tux's gf be Gown?
[04:49] <nevyn> hrm
[04:49] <nevyn> Ex-Cyber: you know. you're right. I think
[04:49] <Sensebend> Tux has a girlfriend?
[04:49] <tritium> nevyn, I never had a problem dealing with the debian community either.
[04:50] <xhypno> Anyone familar with USB Jump Drives????
[04:50] <tfh> Ex-Cyber, if u have an ati card and  don't neeed 3d use xorg's driver instead of ati's drivers
[04:50] <aebcoat> cindux try /usr/share/backgrounds
[04:50] <Tuxicity> Ex-Cyber, Gown..?
[04:50] <tritium> xhypno, a bit...
[04:50] <Sensebend> just don't bring up other distributions, act like you've RTFM and they'll go out of their way to help you
[04:50] <nevyn> tritium: some individual maintainers were a problem.
[04:50] <Ex-Cyber> tritium: something like that... both radeon and fglrx give me really crappy 2D performance (like "I Can't Believe it's not VESA" level performance most of the time) and I get lockups with 3D apps
[04:50] <Cindux> k
[04:50] <Cindux> brb gonna go try :p
[04:50] <Ex-Cyber> and I've run the diagnostic gauntlet several times now
[04:50] <Ex-Cyber> nobody can tell me what's wrong with my configuration
[04:51] <bretzel> Ex-Cyber: I feel sad for your situation :-( I don't want to tease you more --- but I have changed my other conputer's MB and you know what ? Linux booted just as if there were no changes... WinXp ??? Won't boot at all :-) had to re-install XP -- long live to linux kernel !
[04:51] <Cindux> what if i was sitting beside you
[04:51] <Cindux> looking at your configuration
[04:51] <Cindux> and i was like "that is wrong"
[04:51] <tritium> nevyn, maybe.  The main reason I switched to ubuntu initially was the willingness to provided "restricted" modules.
[04:51] <Cindux> :P
[04:51] <xhypno> tritium, Auto mount died out of no were, I now have to mount /dev/sda1 every time I insert the drive
[04:51] <Cindux> don't forget it looks perty
[04:51] <xhypno> mtab and automount are correct
[04:51] <xhypno> I just can't seem to figure it out
[04:52] <aebcoat> or just go to desktop-desktop prefrences-add wallpaper to add a picture from anywhere on your hard drive as background
[04:52] <tritium> xhypno, you're not using gnome-volume-manager?
[04:52] <nevyn> what's in restricted?
[04:52] <Cindux> If I put the image in /usr/share/backgrounds, it will be shared will al other users correct?
[04:52] <jesuel> mmm food.. :)
[04:52] <Cindux> Not just the one
[04:52] <tritium> xhypno, I've never used automount.
[04:52] <Ex-Cyber> the thing is, this started before Ubuntu
[04:52] <jesuel> Cindux: as long as the permissions are correct yes
[04:53] <Ex-Cyber> so I suspect underlying kernel / xorg problems
[04:53] <Cindux> oh godie
[04:53] <xhypno> no, I never chg the settings from the defalut set by the installer
[04:53] <bretzel> Ex-Cyber: xorg ???
[04:53] <Ex-Cyber> bretzel: the X.org X server
[04:54] <Ex-Cyber> quickly gaining steam now that XFree86's license on new releases seems to be GPL-incompatible
[04:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> the hal device manager is so sweet.
[04:54] <bretzel> Ex-Cyber: In warty ? I tried upgrading to xorg, firtly with hoary repo... no luck....
[04:54] <Ex-Cyber> bretzel: I'm running hoary
[04:54] <tritium> xhypno, when you insert it, do you see it in the device manager?
[04:55] <xhypno> tritium, Yes it is there
[04:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> xhypno: you use automount in ubuntu?
[04:56] <Cindux> dumb question,
[04:56] <Cindux> What does GRUB stand for
[04:56] <randabis> hooray for hoary lolz
[04:56] <xhypno> BROKEN_LADDER, yes
[04:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> why is it that when i shut down in ubuntu, my system says power down but doesn't shut down?
[04:56] <Cindux> GRUB & CUPS
[04:56] <randabis> Grand Unified Bootloader
[04:56] <Cindux> My system does the same thing, it's safe to turn it off manually at that point
[04:56] <randabis> Common Unix Printing System
[04:56] <tritium> and Common Unix Printing System, or something like that
[04:56] <Cindux> thanks
[04:56] <bretzel> Ex-Cyber: woah! I am telling you: I will try hoary but only from the official  release -- before that, I don;t want to try anythings because I screwed up twice my ubuntu... sorry I can't be helpful to you :-(
[04:56] <Ex-Cyber> bretzel: well, you're in good company
[04:57] <Cindux> Some systems freeze at that point but its perfectly fine to turn it off
[04:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone have any clue how to mount a samba share over an ssh tunnel?
[04:57] <xhypno> BROKEN_LADDER, It is a prob with the APCI settings for your MB
[04:57] <Cindux> brb
[04:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> xhypno: it worked fine in slackware.
[04:57] <daniels> slackware does not use acpi
[04:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> "slackware" doesn't?
[04:57] <bretzel> Ex-Cyber: You mean in Ubuntu channel ? -- indeed :-)
[04:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> i thought that was up to how you configured your kernel.
[04:58] <xhypno> daniels, I have used Slack since 95, it uses acpi by default
[04:58] <tritium> xhypno, have you checked logs for any error messages?
[04:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah no kidding.
[04:58] <xhypno> That is true
[04:58] <Ex-Cyber> bretzel: I mean the other people who couldn't help me seem to have a pretty good grasp of things, but this problem seems to be magic
[04:58] <xhypno> tr, no nothing out of the ordinary in the logs
[04:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> so it must be my kernel config huh?
[04:58] <tritium> xhypno, I'm sort of at a loss, then
[04:58] <xhypno> BR, I would say most likely
[04:58] <xhypno> tr, thanks anyways
[04:59] <bretzel> Ex-Cyber: Ah! excuse me then :-) But I wasn't here i guess to read your problems ...
[04:59] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, try searching either the wiki or ubuntuguide.  There's a write-up on your power-off problem.
[04:59] <tritium> I don't recall where, though.
[05:01] <bretzel> tritium: Isn't you who gave me the fstab args for vfat partition regarding user write access and dmask ?
[05:01] <tritium> bretzel, no, sorry
[05:02] <bretzel> I remember I gave to someone the line in fstab and you was there... sorry -- I am getting old :-) loosing neurons hehehehe
[05:03] <tritium> bretzel, was I?  I've been logged on for about 24 hours, though.  I haven't always been here.
[05:03] <tritium> Was I active in the channel?
[05:04] <bretzel> tritium: not within 24 hours but between two and one week -ago
[05:04] <tritium> Oh, I see.
[05:04] <tritium> bretzel, you think you're getting old?  What's your age, if I may ask?
[05:05] <jesuel> heh i feel like a oldfart, and im just 29
[05:05] <tritium> At 31, I think I'm a bit old...
[05:05] <bretzel> tritium: because someone here gave me a very good params data in fstab for vfat then I've shared that infos to other one :-) I tought it was from (or) to you :-)
[05:05] <bretzel> tritium: woah! your 31, I am about to pass 40! :-)
[05:05] <tritium> well, thanks for thinking I am capable of helping you :)
[05:05] <jesuel> heh
[05:06] <tritium> jesuel, all of a sudden you feel young, eh?
[05:06] <jesuel> yeS!!
[05:06] <jesuel> hahaha
[05:06] <bretzel> tritium: at least I remember you :-) it for a reason hehehe
[05:06] <aebcoat> you want a fstab for fat32 which allows users to read/write?
[05:06] <jesuel> i guess i just feel old, got a 11 year old daughter :)
[05:06] <jesuel> i CANNOT keep up with lol
[05:06] <tritium> thanks, bretzel
[05:07] <bretzel> aebcoat: yop, and more: a dmask arg to avoid +x bit for all files
[05:07] <aebcoat> im not sure exactly what that means but here is mine /dev/hda5       /media/D_Drive  vfat        auto,umask=0 0 0
[05:09] <tritium> bretzel, 40 isn't old, btw
[05:09] <bretzel> aebcoat: hmmm - thanks for your share but  this setup seems randomly false or true for user write access - I tried this setup with half suxxess for a reason I don;t know -- I am not a guru
[05:10] <aebcoat> me either
[05:10] <rexiboy> anyone noticed any improv with prelink?
[05:10] <bretzel> tritium: My body and memories have 40 - But My brain and maturity level aren't :-)
[05:10] <aebcoat> all i knowis that lets me read/write and delete a fat32 from linux :-)
[05:11] <insanekane> rexiboy, yoper claims to be faster due to prelinking
[05:11] <bretzel> aebcoat: that's good :-) Yes I think umask=0 means all perms... I dunno
[05:12] <aebcoat> i think so i have it enables ll permission on all files by default
[05:13] <nevyn> umask is an inverse bitmask of the permissions required.
[05:14] <bretzel> nevyn: So I am right :-) ?
[05:14] <nevyn> so umask=000
[05:14] <nevyn> will set all files create to be 777
[05:14] <nevyn> don't do that.
[05:15] <bretzel> nevyn: ok - but someone gave me dmask=??? for avoiding to see the +x bit set on all files ...
[05:15] <nevyn> it'll be the same format.
[05:15] <nevyn> so set umask=0111 dmask=0000
[05:16] <bretzel> nevyn: Ah! thank you, your greatful
[05:17] <Zeroz42> Uh, what is a good and free Partition program?
[05:17] <aebcoat> i changed mine also, whats the command to remount fstab?
[05:17] <aebcoat> mount -a
[05:18] <nevyn> zeroz42 parted.
[05:18] <Tuxicity> Zeroz42, parted, qparted, gparted
[05:18] <nevyn> is qparted maintained?
[05:19] <nevyn> last I heard claussen was disavowing any association with qparted.
[05:19] <Zeroz42> uh, i'm not sure
[05:19] <tritium> qtparted didn't work for me when I tried it
[05:20] <Zeroz42> i want to partition my hard drive
[05:20] <Zeroz42> so i can dual boot with Ubuntu and XP
[05:21] <paul4622> I hope you have better luck than I did with the partitioning.
[05:21] <Zeroz42> so can anyone help a n00bie out?
[05:21] <bretzel> nevyn: ouch! it says umask=0 not supported by kernel ... syntax ?
[05:21] <randabis> qtparted works for me...don't have any reason to resize yet though
[05:21] <nevyn> bretzel: what are you trying to do exactly?
[05:22] <bretzel> randabis: :-)
[05:22] <nevyn> set your umask? or mount a fat filesystem with a sane umask?
[05:22] <paul4622> I now have just Ubuntu no XP
[05:22] <randabis> yep same here...hoary on both laptop and this box
[05:22] <paul4622> OOps
[05:22] <Tuxicity> Zeroz42, you want help with partitioning or dual-booting?
[05:22] <bretzel> nevyn: this is the line I put in fstab: /dev/hda5       /partage        auto,user,dmask=0111,umask=0 0 0
[05:22] <poppo> greetings, i have a onboard vga and mercury vga installed in pci slot.. i connected monitor to mercury which is in pci - but ubuntu is taking onboard vga ....... i tried to disable  onboard vga using bios - i didnt find  option to disable onboard vga .. can someone help me pls
[05:22] <Zeroz42> partitioning, please
[05:23] <bretzel> the tail two last zeros are pass and dump arg
[05:23] <Tuxicity> Zeroz42, with what tool, fdisk?
[05:24] <Zeroz42> i need a good program to
[05:24] <Zeroz42> and what is an fdisk? i'm alittle of an computer n00b
[05:24] <nevyn> bretzel: try dmask=111,umask=000
[05:24] <bretzel> randabis: Did you have to work hard to tune hoary ?
[05:24] <Tuxicity> Zeroz42, you want to resize some partitions, or just partition an empty disk?
[05:25] <Zeroz42> resize
[05:25] <randabis> bretzel not really, hardest thing was fixing my video on my laptop
[05:25] <Zeroz42> as in 7gb for windows
[05:25] <tritium> poppo, I'm not sure about the console, but you can specify the PCI bus ID for X
[05:25] <Zeroz42> 2gb for linux
[05:25] <randabis> everything else has been solid besides a few things breaking...but the developers quickly fixed them
[05:25] <bretzel> nevyn: I put like you said: I don;t understand why I lost my memory about fstab args ...
[05:25] <tritium> poppo, (for your video card)
[05:25] <randabis> my only quirk is there is not an easy way to edit the gnome Applications menu
[05:26] <Tuxicity> Zeroz42, but is Windows already installed?
[05:26] <Zeroz42> Yeah
[05:26] <Zeroz42> i have XP
[05:26] <bretzel> randabis: good: I know hoary-xorg have no probs with nvidia
[05:26] <hhorsman> Hi, havein a problem with X, cant start gdm, and when i try and load xorgcfg X starts fine but the config tool itself flashes and disapears instantly
[05:26] <Tuxicity> Zeroz42, so you wish to resize preserving the data... I cant help you ith that, Partition Magic can do this pretty well, I dont know if parted can
[05:26] <LostMonk> does ubuntu come with only gnome?
[05:27] <tritium> LostMonk, you can get kde from the package repositories
[05:27] <nevyn> LostMonk: come with yes. work with no.
[05:27] <randabis> it has xfce, fluxbox, openbox, and some others too
[05:27] <bretzel> LostMonk: yes but the is kde3.3 in the repos...
[05:27] <Tuxicity> Tuxicity, resizing NTFS could be risky..
[05:27] <Tuxicity> oops
[05:27] <randabis> you mean 3.2
[05:27] <LostMonk> ok thanks
[05:27] <randabis> 3.3 is in the hoary universe
[05:28] <swim> does anyone use grip to rip from cd? I cant get grip to read from cdrom ...
[05:28] <bretzel> randabis: 3.2 ?? Ah! yes in the hoary-universe :-) of course sorry
[05:28] <randabis> np
[05:28] <randabis> I have it installed but don't use it haha
[05:28] <hhorsman> Hi, havein a problem with X, cant start gdm, and when i try and load xorgcfg X starts fine but the config tool itself flashes and disapears instantly
[05:29] <Zeroz42> Ok
[05:29] <Zeroz42> I am back again
[05:30] <Zeroz42> PM won't work for some reason
[05:30] <rexiboy> insanekane, sorry for the late reply, I know Yoper is faster, I use it. just wondering if ubuntu really sees any major boost with prelink
[05:30] <Tuxicity> Zeroz42, if I were you, I wouldnt resize
[05:31] <Zeroz42> why not?
[05:31] <insanekane> rexiboy, a lot of people feel prelinking doesnt lend anything to speed ... i dont know why, cuz ive run yoper, and it seems faster to me
[05:31] <swim> nm its working thanks for all the replies to my query though... not
[05:31] <rexiboy> mmm
[05:31] <Tuxicity> Zeroz42, you risk corrupting/losing data, but PartitonMagic has given me good results in the past
[05:31] <Zeroz42> I really want to use the whole HD fpr Linux, but my dad needs it for work
[05:31] <Zeroz42> PartitonMagic
[05:32] <aebcoa1> horseman it give any erros?
[05:32] <Zeroz42> it just won't work for me
[05:32] <Tuxicity> Zeroz42, PM doesnt work?
[05:32] <Zeroz42> it saids i need the full version
[05:32] <Tuxicity> Zeroz42, hahaha
[05:32] <Cindux> Im sort of new to linux
[05:32] <Cindux> but im wondering
[05:32] <Cindux> On Ubuntu theirs the office stuff
[05:33] <Tuxicity> Zeroz42, it's commercial software, you know ;)
[05:33] <Cindux> is their a way to remove it COMEPLTLY
[05:33] <Cindux> all of it
[05:33] <Zeroz42> "This is an evaluation version of PM....
[05:33] <bretzel> nevyn ?
[05:33] <Zeroz42> blah blah blah balh
[05:33] <Zeroz42> so
[05:34] <Zeroz42> this is why i'm am asking
[05:34] <Tuxicity> Zeroz42, is your Windows partition NTFS or FAT32?
[05:34] <Zeroz42> NTFS
[05:34] <nevyn> bretzel: try.. umask=111,dmask=000 0 0 in fstab
[05:34] <Tuxicity> Zeroz42, parted could have handled FAT32, but not NTFS
[05:34] <Zeroz42> huh?
[05:35] <bretzel> nevyn: If you are still here, Please, SLAP my head!!!! I've forgot the fs type -- (vfat ) before the args!!! tritiumL you see , - I am getting old :-)
[05:35] <Crane_> hello
[05:35] <nevyn> ah ok.
[05:35] <Cindux> fs = file system ?
[05:35] <bretzel> Cindux: yop :-)
[05:35] <Crane_> yep
[05:35] <tritium> bretzel, you're doing just fine :)
[05:35] <Cindux> etc3 by default
[05:36] <Tuxicity> Zeroz42, as far as I know, you cant resize your NTFS partition with any open-source tool
[05:36] <tritium> bretzel, yeah, it's vfat
[05:36] <Zeroz42> damn it..
[05:36] <bretzel> tritium: You are too much kind - you don't have to be poilite with me! hahahaha
[05:36] <jesuel> nope
[05:36] <nevyn> Tuxicity: there are a couple but they're scary
[05:36] <nevyn> there's ntfsresize
[05:36] <jesuel> there is no safe ntfs resize tool that is free
[05:36] <jesuel> its not really too safe though
[05:36] <nevyn> jesuel: that's true.
[05:36] <nevyn> I did say it's scary.
[05:36] <Tuxicity> Zeroz42, can you reinstall Windows?
[05:36] <jesuel> yes, it is scary
[05:36] <Cindux> So can anyone  help me ?
[05:36] <crimsun> ycco: pong
[05:37] <tritium> I'd agree.  Very scary
[05:37] <Cindux> I want to remove all the "Office" stuff in Ubuntu
[05:37] <Cindux> permently
[05:37] <jesuel> i wouldnt even do it on a testing machine lol
[05:37] <tritium> bretzel, why would I want to be impolite? ;)
[05:37] <Zeroz42> *thinks about the illegal way*
[05:37] <jesuel> bad
[05:37] <Zeroz42> I don't think i can
[05:37] <jesuel> just backup data
[05:37] <jesuel> and reinstall ;p
[05:37] <nevyn> jesuel: I've done it.
[05:37] <Crane_> Cindux, can't you use synaptic?
[05:37] <nevyn> jesuel: and it worked. but it's scary.
[05:37] <Cindux> <--Linux newb
[05:37] <jesuel> nevyn: i would really, but ya know what i mean
[05:37] <crimsun> Cindux: so get rid of all the openoffice and evolution stuff
[05:37] <Cindux> whats synaptic /
[05:38] <Zeroz42> I don't have a windows disk with me
[05:38] <Cindux> yep
[05:38] <jesuel> of course, ive done a rm -rf /*
[05:38] <jesuel> on a working system before
[05:38] <jesuel> cause i was pissed off
[05:38] <Tuxicity> Zeroz42, backup your data, if any. Create partitions, 1 for Windows, 1 Linux, with Ubuntu partition manager, then install Windows, then Ubuntu (see dual-booting how-to)
[05:38] <crimsun> Cindux: Desktop>Administration>Synaptic Package Manager
[05:38] <crimsun> Cindux: (that's in Hoary)
[05:38] <bretzel> I shall not reveal this but -- I do: I am a programmer since ms-dos 5.x that means since 15 years!!! And I can't remember those little fstab params!!!!
[05:38] <jesuel> mmm, back to quake3
[05:38] <tritium> Isn't there a limit on the number of times a particular Windows XP disk can be used to install?
[05:38] <Zeroz42> Ubuntu partition manager?
[05:38] <Cindux> Oy ty, ubt b4 i do
[05:38] <Cindux> whats Evolution exactly
[05:39] <jesuel> no tritium
[05:39] <crimsun> bretzel: even when they're listed as a comment near the top of /etc/fstab?
[05:39] <Crane_> Cindux,  a package manager found under >computer>system admin>synaptic
[05:39] <jesuel> just the product key
[05:39] <tritium> Cindux, email/contacts/task list/
[05:39] <jesuel> 3times, then you are required to call mickeysoft
[05:39] <jesuel> for a new key
[05:39] <Tuxicity> Zeroz42, u dont have Windows... oh, then forget about reinstalling it
[05:39] <Cindux> ah ic
[05:39] <bretzel> crimsum: ?
[05:39] <tritium> jesuel, oh, that's it?
[05:39] <jesuel> yeah, kinda funky
[05:39] <tritium> And they'll happily give you a new one?
[05:40] <jesuel> you have to have a good reason
[05:40] <jesuel> its not that way with oem though
[05:40] <Zeroz42> is there a different way?
[05:40] <jesuel> with oem  you have to go through your oem
[05:40] <Cindux> Ok im in Synaptic Package Manager?
[05:40] <tritium> Oh, I see.
[05:40] <jesuel> Zeroz42: buy partition magic
[05:40] <jesuel> the retail version will do it
[05:40] <Zeroz42> ...
[05:40] <Tuxicity> Zeroz42, dont think so, you're stuck
[05:40] <Zeroz42> damn...
[05:40] <jesuel> ntfs is microsofts evil stepchild
[05:41] <Zeroz42> i don't have alot of cash
[05:41] <Crane_> Cindux,  do a search for open office
[05:41] <Zeroz42> but people say that NTFS is better then FAT32
[05:41] <Cindux> ah
[05:41] <jesuel> you would probably be better off buying a cheap harddrive
[05:41] <jesuel> honestly
[05:41] <tritium> Cindux, why are you removing them?
[05:41] <Cindux> a bunch have popped up
[05:41] <Cindux> Simpy because I'll never use them
[05:41] <randabis> NTFS IS better than FAT32
[05:41] <jesuel> you could probably get a cheap 20 gig hd for 15 to 30 bucks
[05:41] <Cindux> I like to keep things clean
[05:41] <randabis> in every possible way... :p
[05:41] <tritium> Cindux, fair enough.  Just curious.
[05:41] <Cindux> lol :P
[05:41] <Tuxicity> Zeroz42, jesuel is right
[05:41] <Cindux> bah i cant stand it
[05:42] <Cindux> having things on my pc i wont use
[05:42] <tritium> jesuel, good idea
[05:42] <Zeroz42> Jesuel, as in getting a new harddrive and install Linux on that?
[05:42] <jesuel> yep
[05:42] <randabis> FAT32 doesn't do journaling
[05:42] <jesuel> 2 hd's in one pc
[05:42] <randabis> BAD
[05:42] <Zeroz42> Ok
[05:42] <Zeroz42> Thats for the tips
[05:42] <bretzel> I second randabis: NTFS has solid features
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> fat32 sux
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> loudly
[05:42] <Cindux> fat32 is a fatty LD
[05:42] <randabis> ext3 and reiser > ntfs though
[05:42] <Zeroz42> but i can't find a 20gb new...
[05:42] <jesuel> then a 40
[05:42] <jesuel> whatever is smallest
[05:42] <Cindux> Try online Zero
[05:42] <jesuel> or buy a used one ;p
[05:43] <bretzel> ...but winxp home edition with ntfs: Why ??? Why ????
[05:43] <Zeroz42> ..
[05:43] <nevyn> meh ext3 isn't greate.
[05:43] <Zeroz42> a 40gb is about 53CDN
[05:43] <Cindux> wow
[05:43] <Cindux> the office packages are 204mb total
[05:43] <Zeroz42> i only have 40...
[05:44] <nevyn> xfs|reiserfs|jfs > ext3 > NTFS > ext2 > fat
[05:44] <bretzel> Zeroz42: From Canada ? :-)
[05:44] <jesuel> buy it online /shrug
[05:44] <Zeroz42> Yeah
[05:44] <jesuel> ebay;0
[05:44] <Cindux> it's safe to remove ANYTHING office.org right ?
[05:44] <Zeroz42> Vancouver
[05:44] <Cindux> <--From Canada
[05:44] <Cindux> Ontario
[05:44] <Zeroz42> er, Leafs suck!
[05:44] <aebcoa1> should be dafe to remove, just watch what else it try to take with it
[05:44] <Cindux> hockey sucks
[05:44] <bretzel> hehehe! Me almost the opposite: Montreal/Quebec :-)
[05:44] <Cindux> lol
[05:44] <randabis> xfs has fragmentation problems though so I've heard
[05:45] <Cindux> if i wanted to see men getting wacked by sticks and brutally beaten
[05:45] <Crane_> Cindux, just make sure when check what is being removed the ubuntu desktop is not listed
[05:45] <Cindux> id watch a gay porn film
[05:45] <nevyn> umm I don't think so. NTFS has massive fragmentation problems
[05:45] <tritium> I don't know what to think of reiserfs4 yet
[05:45] <Cindux> nope
[05:45] <bretzel> Tuxicity: :-)
[05:45] <Cindux> it all starts with openoffice.org
[05:45] <Crane_> should be good then
[05:45] <Cindux> :p
[05:45] <Cindux> woohoo
[05:45] <randabis> nevyn well I've just heard reports by people having to defrag xfs from time to time
[05:45] <nevyn> tritium: if they manage to make it work with the features they claim it'll be awesome.
[05:46] <randabis> I know ntfs has massive fragmentation problems :p
[05:46] <Crane_> I think I'm gonna play some quake3
[05:46] <nevyn> randabis: that supprises me.
[05:46] <Zeroz42> Anyone know where to get a cheap new 30gb :P
[05:46] <bretzel> NHL full sucks now! Now I just can't follow or listen those $$$$ people anymore! finished for me
[05:46] <randabis> computer auction hehe
[05:47] <tritium> yeah, Zeroz42, some companies and universities have auctions occasionally
[05:47] <Zeroz42> i'll look into that
[05:48] <bretzel> Tuxicity: From where in Montreal ? ( Which arrondissement ? )
[05:48] <Zeroz42> or i'll buy a used hard drive from a friend :P
[05:48] <Tuxicity> bretzel, you 1st :)
[05:49] <bretzel> :-) Don't be scared: I have two children and almost married :-) hahaha! And I am not a violent scizzo!! -- me From St-Leonard
[05:49] <randabis> Zero there's also www.ncix.com
[05:49] <randabis> that's a canadian site
[05:49] <Tuxicity> bretzel, but I AM a scizzo, muhahahahahaha!!
[05:50] <Tuxicity> bretzel, j/k, Cartierville
[05:50] <Tuxicity> bretzel, if you even know where that is...
[05:50] <bretzel> Tuxicity: I came to life at Sacre-Coeur hostpital :-)
[05:51] <Tuxicity> bretzel, cool
[05:51] <bretzel> he
[05:52] <bretzel> That's very pleasing to see other linux ( especially Ubuntu ) users near my place :-)
[05:52] <jesuel> omg im getting pwned in q3
[05:52] <tritium> hey jesuel, aren't you a little old for games? ;)
[05:52] <Tuxicity> bretzel, soon we'll take over, u'll see
[05:52] <zenrox> bretzel,  i am greating users in my area
[05:52] <jesuel> haha nah
[05:53] <tritium> j/k
[05:53] <jesuel> how bad im getting owned maybe i am
[05:53] <jesuel> 17 to 5
[05:53] <jesuel> so far
[05:53] <jesuel> 1vs1
[05:53] <jesuel> :(
[05:53] <Cinder> back :P
[05:53] <bretzel> Tuxicity: hmmm - I am realistic: not that soon :-( saddly Microsoft taken the newbies business...
[05:54] <Cinder> I dont like Microsoft ol
[05:54] <bretzel> zenrox: My brother wants to give a try to linux :-)
[05:54] <Cinder> :O
[05:54] <Cinder> convert him
[05:54] <Cinder> heh
[05:55] <Cinder> go to peoples doors with the Unix Bible and a few CD Distros :P
[05:55] <_4strO|zZZzz> give hil a live CD
[05:55] <_4strO|zZZzz> him*
[05:55] <Br34ch> hello.. I'm a Linux nub.. currently installing Xfce (nothing's wrong with it . . . right?) anyways . . . it's giving me this: "Checking for GLib (GModule) >= 2.2.0... not found, see /root/.xfce4.installer-log for details" GNOME is my current interface . . . any hints?
[05:55] <poppo> can someone  tell me how to get ubuntu detect my pci vga card not the onboard vga ?
[05:55] <tritium> bretzel, my Mom is using ubuntu, and she's 57
[05:55] <zenrox> ya convert him and the ubuntu virus striks agine hahahahahhahahahah
[05:55] <nevyn> Br34ch: don't do that.
[05:55] <Cinder> You have to disable your onboard video through your BIOS
[05:55] <Br34ch> Install Xfce?
[05:55] <nevyn> Br34ch: try apt-get install xfce
[05:55] <Cinder> it'll probably detect it then
[05:55] <bretzel> tritium:ah! good to read :-)
[05:55] <nevyn> Br34ch: install it by all means. don't install it from source.
[05:56] <crimsun> Br34ch: it's easier to use a repo of it - unless you absolutely _must_ have 4.2
[05:56] <poppo> Cinder : i dont have a option by which i can disable the onboard vga
[05:56] <Cinder> = /
[05:56] <Cinder> in the BIOS you dont /
[05:56] <Cinder> ?
[05:56] <randabis> uh..the included xfce in ubuntu is older than the current version
[05:56] <poppo> nope i dont have a option in my bios to disable the vga
[05:56] <Br34ch> E: Couldn't find package xfce  <-- I keep getting this
[05:56] <randabis> Br34ch you need the developer packs for glib
[05:56] <Cinder> hm
[05:56] <nevyn> Br34ch: did you enable universe?
[05:57] <Br34ch> Tried installing acrobar reader, flash plugins, etc. keep getting the same thing
[05:57] <randabis> that's why the xfce installer script won't work
[05:57] <poppo> my pci vga ( mercury ) isnt gettin detected -- its taking onboard intel vga .
[05:57] <randabis> br34ch you probably don't have universe enabled
[05:57] <Br34ch> How would I go about about enabling it?
[05:57] <Br34ch> Realize, it's my first time trying Linux
[05:57] <randabis> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:57] <randabis> uncomment the universe and multiverse lines
[05:58] <randabis> # are comments if you didn't know
[05:58] <Br34ch> Heh.. yeah, that's foreign to me. Could you get a little comprehensive, or perhaps a link?
[05:58] <randabis> www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:58] <heliolith> can anyone give please give me an idea why totem might crash on start?
[05:58] <poppo> umnn so can anyone help me out here ?
[05:58] <Br34ch> Well, yes, but a little more specific? Should I search for "enabling universe?"
[05:58] <bretzel> Oh my its about 0h00 here, I must finish the games installation in XP -- sorry: yes I still need XP for games ciao gnight all
[05:59] <tritium> bretzel, good night
[05:59] <Cinder> Xp's like a cheap whore
[05:59] <Cinder> games are the sex
[05:59] <Cinder> its the only reason people use it
[05:59] <Cinder> for the "games"
[05:59] <Demitar> Br34ch, Or use synaptic and go to Settings -> Repositories and enable the second "deb  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/" row.
[05:59] <Tuxicity> Br34ch, search universe on www.ubuntu.com/wiki
[05:59] <Guardiann> Br34ch its very specific on that website
[06:00] <Br34ch> Got it, thank you
[06:00] <Cinder> How can their be so many people in this channel , with 5% actually talking
[06:00] <Guardiann> many are asleep
[06:00] <randabis> this is IRC...the home of idlers
[06:00] <Guardiann> i just got home from work myself
[06:00] <tritium> poppo, I sent you a suggestion earlier.  Did you try it?
[06:01] <randabis> IRC wouldn't be IRC without idlers :p
[06:01] <Cinder> lol
[06:01] <jesuel> or they are playing games
[06:01] <Cinder> :9
[06:01] <jesuel> :)
[06:01] <Tuxicity> jesuel, how do u play quake3 while IRCing?
[06:01] <jesuel> easy
[06:01] <jesuel> 2 computers on my desk ;p
[06:01] <poppo> tritium : i dont have access to that box now  and iam not quite sure  what you meant by configurin x by pci vga
[06:02] <jesuel> well actually 3, but im using 2 atm
[06:02] <Cinder> I asked before,
[06:02] <Cinder> I'm just wondering how to uninstall all the office stuff with Ubuntu permently
[06:02] <tritium> poppo, are you using Warty or Hoary?
[06:02] <poppo> warty
[06:02] <randabis> sudo apt-get remove --purge openoffice.org should do the trick
[06:03] <randabis> or is it --purge remove
[06:03] <jesuel> but no more quake3, going to play some matrix now :)
[06:03] <tritium> --purge remove
[06:03] <Cinder> i wouldnt know I'm an uber Linux newb
[06:03] <randabis> yeah
[06:03] <Cinder> should i try both ?
[06:03] <randabis> no --purge remove is correct
[06:03] <tritium> poppo, in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, there is a line where you can specify the PCI bus ID of the video card
[06:03] <andrew> can someone plz help me
[06:03] <andrew> how come unbuntu doesnt reconize a .iso CD
[06:04] <heliolith> so no one has any experience with totem movie player just crashing out on load?
[06:04] <bleck> any chance someone can help with having no sound after installation?
[06:04] <poppo> tritium : can  you please tell me what exactly do u mean by bus id ?
[06:04] <heliolith> not a known bug?
[06:04] <Cinder> that correct?    sudo apt-get --purge remove openoffice.org
[06:04] <randabis> andrew bad burn maybe?
[06:04] <andrew> ive tried it multiple times
[06:04] <randabis> Cinder yes that should kill openoffice
[06:04] <Cinder> Permently lol
[06:04] <tritium> poppo, It's an identifying number of devices on the pci bus
[06:04] <randabis> Cinder unless you reinstall it :p
[06:04] <blair> Can anyone help me getting OpenGL working with a Radeon PCI card
[06:04] <Cinder> :P
[06:05] <Cinder> excellento
[06:05] <poppo> tritium : how can i know my bus id ?
[06:05] <Cinder> thanks alot
[06:05] <andrew> randabis, how do I run a .iso disk on linux? Do i put it in the CD Tray, and restart the computer like in regular windows?
[06:05] <bleck> how do i check to see if my soundcard is configured correctly?
[06:05] <Cinder> oh randa I have CD problems to
[06:05] <Cinder> Ubuntu wont detect a CD with 50mb or less on it
[06:05] <tritium> poppo, you can use "lspci"
[06:05] <andrew> its 685MB
[06:05] <randabis> weird
[06:05] <Cinder> and SOME .iso disc dont work
[06:05] <tritium> poppo, and then look for your video card
[06:05] <heliolith> does anyone even Use Totem Movie Player???
[06:05] <poppo> tritium : lspci doesnt show my vga card in pci  slot
[06:05] <Cinder> but some do for me
[06:05] <Tuxicity> blair, Warty? check the wiki
[06:05] <blair> already did, no help
[06:06] <dureyes> just inserted a cd and can open tray, any hints on how to eject it?
[06:06] <andrew> can someone please help me
[06:06] <andrew> i really  need to get my windows back
[06:06] <Cinder> right click
[06:06] <andrew> i dont really like unbuntu
[06:06] <randabis> I don't burn too many isos...I mostly just mount isos via loopback device
[06:06] <Cinder> on cdrom on desktop, then eject
[06:06] <zenrox> hmm still havent fixed my dri error i see with the latets up dates from hoary
[06:06] <tritium> poppo, is it a pci card?
[06:06] <Cinder> or go to Computer > Disks
[06:06] <blair> yes Warty, card works except for openGL, don't know what to do next
[06:06] <Cinder> right click same thing
[06:06] <Cinder> ill brb gonna try sudo apt-get --purge remove openoffice.org
[06:06] <randabis> typing eject in a console will also eject the cd
[06:06] <poppo> tritium : yes ity is
[06:07] <poppo> it*
[06:07] <dureyes> will need the command,
[06:07] <andrew> i g2g
[06:07] <tritium> that's very strange, poppo
[06:07] <poppo> yea :\
[06:07] <poppo> even   for xp ( dual boot) i shld select enable vga to  get to desktop
[06:07] <jesuel> sigh, mxo still broken :(
[06:07] <bleck> how do i check my sound card?  i have no sound...
[06:08] <bleck> when i try to play something in XMMS, the console says " oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such file or directory"
[06:08] <Cinder> are you trying to play an .mp3 ?
[06:08] <tritium> bleck, it needs to use "esd"
[06:08] <randabis> lspci | grep audio I think
[06:08] <bleck> its an mp3, but i have gstreamer
[06:09] <Cinder> = /
[06:09] <tritium> bleck, can you reconfigure it's output?
[06:09] <Cinder> i had the same problem with mp3s
[06:09] <blair> I run fireglcontrol, and it says it is using MESA GLX inderect for rendering
[06:09] <Cinder> they've been disabled because of copyright issues etc
[06:09] <Cinder> try a .ogg or something
[06:09] <randabis> xmms can be configured to use esd
[06:09] <Cinder> and tell me if it works
[06:09] <randabis> might require a plugin though
[06:09] <bleck> ill check it
[06:09] <blair> I have flgrx installed, and am using it as the driver in my XF86Config-4 file
[06:10] <tritium> Cinder, you can play mp3 files if you download the right files from universe or multiverse
[06:10] <Tuxicity> blair, you followed this how-to? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:10] <Cinder> i know, I justsaid by default they are
[06:10] <blair> yup
[06:10] <randabis> to get mp3, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:10] <Cinder> but, my libraries .ogg so it wouldnt matter to me anyway ;d
[06:10] <randabis> hehe
[06:10] <randabis> <3 ogg
[06:10] <tritium> same here
[06:10] <bleck> after changing ESD output, get "/dev/dsp: No such file or directory"
[06:10] <randabis> I need to make a script or something that will convert all my mp3s to ogg
[06:11] <bleck> i have gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:11] <Cinder> lol
[06:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> for heck's sake jdub, why didn't you tell me i could just use nautilus to sftp instead of samba over ssh!? :)
[06:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> this is great.
[06:11] <randabis> it will take a long time doing over 6000 mp3s though...
[06:11] <tritium> bleck, can you "lsmod | grep snd"
[06:11] <Cinder> I converted them all on my windows machine
[06:11] <zenrox> randabis,  over 9k here
[06:11] <Cinder> took almost 11 hours to finish though
[06:11] <crimsun> bleck: please paste the output of lsmod to http://pastebin.com
[06:11] <bleck> tritium: yes
[06:11] <bleck> comes back with a few times, including snd_ac97_codec which is my sound card
[06:11] <randabis> zenrox I need to start building up some more...now that I'm completely windows free I have a lot more space :p
[06:12] <jesuel> heh, i dont even want to think about converting all mine
[06:12] <Cinder> lol
[06:12] <tritium> crimsun, are you checking his lsmod output?
[06:12] <zenrox> randabis,  i have 17 gigs to fill then i need a bigger hdd
[06:12] <jesuel> almost 450 gb of mp3's
[06:12] <Cinder> nice
[06:12] <jesuel> mostly trance mixes heh ;p
[06:12] <randabis> jeez
[06:12] <Cinder> I only have lke 2-3gb total on my hdd
[06:12] <randabis> I need more trance :)
[06:12] <crimsun> tritium: not until he pastes it, no.
[06:13] <Cinder> on other burned audio cd's,data cd's with mp3s etc
[06:13] <jesuel> *grin*
[06:13] <Cinder> who knows
[06:13] <randabis> I have a lot now, but I need more
[06:13] <Cinder> probably around 10gb-15gb
[06:13] <jesuel> always need more ;p
[06:13] <Cinder> 450's a bit crazy though
[06:13] <zenrox> 20 + a 15 +40gig(-17gig free) is how much i have
[06:13] <heliolith> can anyone suggest an alternative to Totem?  Mine broke )=
[06:13] <randabis> gxine
[06:13] <Cinder> rofl
[06:13] <zenrox> heliolith,  gxine
[06:13] <Cinder> Why not just get some hel pto fix it
[06:13] <jesuel> i just ran streamripper on digitally imported for a long time
[06:13] <Cinder> with an uber name like totem
[06:13] <Cinder> why switch
[06:13] <jesuel> like almost 3 years
[06:13] <randabis> haha
[06:13] <aebcoat> mplayer is nice
[06:14] <jesuel> it worked ;p
[06:14] <heliolith> mplayer and gxine are comparable?
[06:14] <jesuel> i have more trance than ill ever use im sure
[06:14] <randabis> I usually use totem-xine now that I got it working
[06:14] <zenrox> jesuel,  idd like some of that
[06:14] <Cinder> I have mostly speed metal,japaense techno,Opera type metal etc
[06:14] <Cinder> cant stand normal metal though
[06:14] <jesuel> oh id love to share, but my connect would be overloaded if i tried
[06:14] <bleck> changed it to alsa, works fine now... thanks anyways :P
[06:14] <randabis> I've got a lot of everything
[06:14] <heliolith> totem-xine is a different program than totem then eh?
[06:14] <Cinder> :P
[06:14] <zenrox> i listen to digitaly imported for 4 years till thay droped there bitrate
[06:14] <Cinder> I have spurts of interest
[06:15] <crimsun> heliolith: same program but different backend
[06:15] <Cinder> last week  i had a bunch of japanese techno on my pc
[06:15] <jesuel> zenrox: i have a premium acct
[06:15] <zenrox> jesuel,  darn
[06:15] <tritium> heliolith, totem uses either gstreamer or xine as a backend, basically
[06:15] <heliolith> crimsun, tritium thanks...
[06:15] <jesuel> im actually running streamripper now on 6 streams
[06:15] <jesuel> :)
[06:15] <zenrox> dang
[06:16] <zenrox> whare did you get all the bw
[06:16] <zenrox> no wonder mine is so slow
[06:16] <randabis> I'm about to do some stream ripping myself hehehe
[06:16] <jesuel> 6mbit download dsl ;p
[06:16] <zenrox> damn
[06:16] <jesuel> lol randabis
[06:16] <randabis> sdsl?
[06:16] <jesuel> no adsl
[06:16] <Cinder> :P
[06:16] <randabis> ah
[06:16] <jesuel> sdsl theoretical max is 2.3mbit
[06:16] <Cinder> my cogeco connection is secretly pumped
[06:16] <jesuel> also check out tag's trance trip
[06:16] <Cinder> :D
[06:16] <zenrox> jesuel,  lets take this offtopic convo to #ubuntufourms
[06:16] <jesuel> they FINALLY came back online
[06:16] <jesuel> k
[06:17] <crimsun> (hmm, did bleck ever paste his lsmod output?)
[06:17] <Cinder> whoever it was
[06:17] <Cinder> if i do sudo apt-get --purge remove openoffice.org
[06:17] <Cinder> does it remove the dirs,icons,shortcuts as well
[06:17] <Cinder> or would i have to go manually
[06:17] <crimsun> all.
[06:18] <crimsun> the --purge parameter takes care of unmodified conffiles and directories.
[06:18] <adamist> ugh, hoary can't install dosbox, because it depends on libflac4, and hoary has libflac6
[06:18] <Cinder> mnice
[06:18] <Cinder> thanks
[06:18] <Cinder> brb
[06:18] <crimsun> ogra: ping: < adamist> ugh, hoary can't install dosbox, because it depends onlibflac4, and hoary has libflac6
[06:19] <luison> hi
[06:19] <luison> I've a problem with nautilsus
[06:19] <adamist> crimsun: huh?
[06:19] <crimsun> ogra: please add a versioned dependency for libflac-dev (>= 1.1.1-3), thanks :)
[06:19] <luison> nautilus*
[06:19] <luison> nautilus*
[06:19] <luison> waaa
[06:19] <luison> i can't write good
[06:19] <adamist> technically, it's the libsdl-sound that has the libflac4 dependency
[06:19] <Scorp> how do I install GTK2 ? (so I have libs, headers, and everything needed to code with it?)
[06:19] <luison> i'm writing white over background white
[06:19] <HrdwrBoB> luison: what's the problem
[06:20] <luison> a shared library
[06:20] <adamist> and dosbox requires libsdl-sound
[06:20] <luison> waint a second
[06:20] <crimsun> adamist: then let him know.
[06:20] <adamist> it's already in the forums
[06:20] <luison> nautilus: relocation error: /usr/lib/libnautilus-private.so.2: undefined symbol: gnome_vfs_drive_unref
[06:20] <crimsun> adamist: have any developers acked it?
[06:21] <adamist> no
[06:21] <crimsun> adamist: one will handle it, thanks for bringing it up.
[06:22] <luison> I've reinstalled every gnome package with the hope to find the solution for this problem
[06:22] <luison> but the problem persist
[06:22] <randabis> I'm ripping dj afterhours heh
[06:22] <luison> and this ocurrs with any user
[06:22] <adamist> crimsun: thanks
[06:23] <crimsun> ogra: my apologies; it's libsdl-sound that needs the versioning
[06:23] <luison> HrdWrbob what do you think?
[06:23] <randabis> I can't tune into tag's trance trip
[06:23] <HrdwrBoB> luison: how have you reinstalled the packages
[06:24] <CLucas916> has anyone got bootsplash to work on ubuntu?
[06:24] <luison> Ubuntu CDROM
[06:24] <adamist> ogra: libsdl-sound1.2 -- it depends on libflac4, which has been replaced by libflac6
[06:24] <Scorp> come on guys I'm a lamer newb
[06:24] <Scorp> how do I install gtk lol?
[06:25] <luison> HrdwrBoB: ubuntu CDROM
[06:25] <HrdwrBoB> Scorp: GTK+ is already installed
[06:25] <crimsun> Scorp: the shared libs are already installed. What do you need, the headers and static libs?
[06:25] <crimsun> Scorp: libgtk2.0-dev?
[06:25] <HrdwrBoB> luison: has it ever worked, and what are you trying to do
[06:25] <Scorp> crimsun yes thank you :)
[06:25] <Vjaz> How stable is Hoary at the moment?
[06:25] <pw> Scorp: apt-get install gnome-devel
[06:26] <randabis> CLucas916, I was able to get it to work with a custom kernel at one point
[06:26] <pw> Vjaz: working for me.
[06:26] <tritium> Vjaz, pretty stable.
[06:26] <randabis> I'm just waiting on usplash instead now
[06:26] <Vjaz> great, am running an upgrade as we speak :-P
[06:26] <tritium> randabis, me too
[06:26] <luison> HrdwrBoB: Yesterday it was working, but today, when I get up I found this problem
[06:26] <kakalto> what do I have to do to get mplayer working on ubuntu?
[06:26] <crimsun> kakalto: for warty?
[06:26] <kakalto> yeah
[06:26] <pw> kakalto: add marillat's repository.
[06:26] <CLucas916> randabis, ohh
[06:27] <pw> It's on the wiki.
[06:27] <tritium> kakalto, look on ubuntuguide.org for details
[06:27] <kakalto> ahk
[06:27] <crimsun> kakalto: see the directions on /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:27] <dureyes>  I am getting this message when I try to get my cdrom to eject the disc:   /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[06:29] <crimsun> dureyes: lsof /media/cdrom0
[06:30] <kakalto> crimsun: /wiki/RestrictedFormats on what site?
[06:30] <dureyes> will try it, thanks
[06:30] <kakalto> and what is a repository?
[06:30] <crimsun> kakalto: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:30] <Phr0stByte> Anyone got a USB Wacom device working in Ubuntu yet?
[06:31] <dureyes> I got this, but they were already uploaded:  COMMAND   PID    USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE   SIZE NODE NAME
[06:31] <dureyes> gaim    27289 dureyes   29r   REG   22,0 184641 1621 /media/cdrom0/pictures/img012.jpg
[06:31] <dureyes> gaim    27289 dureyes   30r   REG   22,0 310253 1610 /media/cdrom0/pictures/img006.jpg
[06:31] <dureyes> gaim    27289 dureyes   31r   REG   22,0 177244 1626 /media/cdrom0/pictures/img015.jpg
[06:31] <luison> can anyone tell me how to fix this problem?:  HrdwrBoB
[06:31] <pw> oi bugger off with that.
[06:31] <luison> ups
[06:31] <luison> sorry
[06:31] <pw> dureyes: use #flood
[06:32] <luison> can anyone tell me how to fix this problem? nautilus: relocation error: /usr/lib/libnautilus-private.so.2: undefined symbol: gnome_vfs_drive_unref
[06:32] <crimsun> dureyes: so close gaim.
[06:33] <dureyes> downloading from it now.......thanks.
[06:34] <luison> hi????
[06:35] <kakalto> arg
[06:35] <Vjaz> Hm... what does "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" mean when installing packages with apt?
[06:35] <luison> can anyone tell me how to fix this problem? nautilus: relocation error: /usr/lib/libnautilus-private.so.2: undefined symbol: gnome_vfs_drive_unref
[06:36] <kakalto> I used the ubuntuguide.org thing for installing codecs, and it didn't work - after editing the repositories file, and trying to apt-get the codecs, it couldn't find the site
[06:36] <luison> apt-get update
[06:36] <luison> :P
[06:36] <crimsun> Vjaz: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[06:36] <kakalto> I just noticed that :O
[06:37] <tritium> kakalto, did you "sudo apt-get update" before you tried "apt-get install"?
[06:37] <Vjaz> crimsun: ok, thanks a lot... I'll see that after I've installed a web browser :-P
[06:37] <Vjaz> well I have links... which doesn't seem to support https
[06:37] <luison> I cannot run Nautilus :'(
[06:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is the ubuntu /skel directory?
[06:38] <crimsun> Vjaz: you don't have to use https
[06:38] <Vjaz> yeah, noticed
[06:38] <duderiffic> /etc/skel
[06:38] <luison> see iaa, I'm going to another server to find an answer to my problem
[06:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> duderiffic: my /etc/skel has virtually nothing in it.
[06:39] <duderiffic> that sucks....
[06:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> yet new users have a default desktop image and theme and such.
[06:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> where do they get that?
[06:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> the default ubuntu desktop is way ugly.
[06:39] <duderiffic> i don't know, i just got this live cd in the mail today
[06:39] <duderiffic> this is the first time i've booted it
[06:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> ubuntu?
[06:39] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: it's built into the various apps
[06:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's great isn't it?
[06:39] <duderiffic> yeah
[06:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> HrdwrBoB: you mean default settings?
[06:40] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[06:40] <duderiffic> 3 minutes into it, i suppose so
[06:40] <HrdwrBoB> if it bothers you that much, you could simply move your settings into /etc/skel
[06:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> HrdwrBoB: uhh...you mean gnome has the ubuntu desktop image path built into it from source?
[06:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> HrdwrBoB: that's what i'm going to do, but i didn't think that was the right directory.
[06:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> HrdwrBoB: because  it has nothin in it.
[06:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> watching napolean dynamite...bbl
[06:42] <duderiffic> there's a bunch of people in here....
[06:42] <Phr0stByte> Anyone got a USB Wacom device working in Ubuntu yet?
[06:43] <HrdwrBoB> Phr0stByte: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WacomTabletIssue
[06:43] <spiv> BROKEN_LADDER: At a glance, http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/ch01s07.html#gconf-20 might be relevant.
[06:44] <Vjaz> Does anyone else have trouble running Mozilla Firefox in Hoary?
[06:44] <Vjaz> I get this:
[06:44] <Vjaz> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[06:44] <Vjaz> Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client!
[06:44] <Vjaz> (firefox-bin:14825): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[06:44] <HrdwrBoB> Vjaz: how are you running it
[06:45] <Vjaz> firefox
[06:45] <Vjaz> no parameters
[06:45] <crimsun> Vjaz: not from the Applications>Internet menu?
[06:45] <Vjaz> crimsun: no. I don't even have GNOME installed
[06:46] <pw> luison: What have you done to your installation to break nautilus?
[06:46] <pw> ("Nothing" is the incorrect answer, btw)
[06:46] <crimsun> Vjaz: what user are you executing `firefox' as?
[06:46] <Vjaz> crimsun: my regular user
[06:46] <HrdwrBoB> Vjaz: and you can run other X apps from the same terminal?
[06:47] <Vjaz> HrdwrBoB: without a problem
[06:47] <Scooter> in windoes there is a Task manager to kill processes, and tasks... is there an equal or better application for Ubuntu? TIA
[06:47] <tritium> Scooter, the system monitor
[06:47] <HrdwrBoB> Scooter: you can put a button on your panel to kill windows
[06:47] <HrdwrBoB> or you can use system monitor
[06:47] <Xenguy> Scooter: do -> ps aux processname
[06:47] <kakalto> does apt-get install all required components aswell?
[06:48] <crimsun> kakalto: yes.
[06:48] <Xenguy> Scooter: then whatever the 'processID' (PID) is, do -> kill -9 <pid>
[06:48] <Scooter> Cool Thanks :) I have been useing top and kill from the console LOL!
[06:48] <crimsun> kakalto: you may wish to refresh that url now; I just updated it.
[06:48] <Vjaz> I guess the problem could be that I haven't upgraded my whole system to Hoary yet... but in that case some of the dependencies of firefox must be wrong
[06:48] <Vjaz> I'll try upgrading the X packages and see if it starts working
[06:48] <Xenguy> Scooter: the console is yer friend ;-)
[06:48] <kakalto> crimsun, kewl.
[06:49] <kakalto> what's the best multimedia player you can get on linux?
[06:49] <nevyn> kakalto: define best?
[06:49] <Scooter> indeed <Xenguy> :) I like console :)
[06:49] <crimsun> "best" is subjective.
[06:49] <duderiffic> mplayer has a horrible gui, but other than that...
[06:49] <Xenguy> Scooter: :-)
[06:49] <kakalto> the most like winamp, will play almost anything, and has a pretty good gui
[06:50] <kakalto> (winamp is my favourite on win)
[06:50] <nevyn> duderiffic: it's phearsome tho.
[06:50] <Scooter> I forgot, i am in XFce LOL! is there an X application for GUI process killing?
[06:50] <nevyn> winamp plays VIDEO?
[06:50] <duderiffic> yeah, takes a little getting used to
[06:50] <randabis> xkill?
[06:50] <Xenguy> kakalto: try mplayer, gxine, kaffeine (not necessarily in any particular order)
[06:50] <kakalto> any screenies?
[06:50] <kakalto> screenshots
[06:50] <Xenguy> kakalto: see what works for *you* :-)
[06:50] <nevyn> kakalto: xmms..
[06:50] <duderiffic> i bet you can find some on google kakalto
[06:51] <nevyn> kakalto: but it's sorta audio mostly
[06:51] <randabis> beep media player too
[06:51] <randabis> I perfer rhythmbox though
[06:51] <Scooter> BTW found a fun little file manager called worker in synaptic today... verry powerful
[06:51] <Xenguy> kakalto: (assuming you want video, as opposed to just audio)
[06:51] <kakalto> nevyn, I'm wanting something that will play avis, mp3s, rm, ogg, and likely more
[06:51] <Vjaz> I hate XMMS because it doesn't adhere to any GUI standards.
[06:51] <randabis> hell even totem-xine will play music :p
[06:51] <nevyn> btw what the hell is with every modern mp3/video player wanting to "manage" my media.
[06:52] <Xenguy> Scooter: I've seen that - I like the 'double-pane' file manager paradigm -- try krusader, I think you might like it (it is more resource hungry, but other than that ...)
[06:52] <randabis> kakalto you might wanna check out vlc too
[06:52] <Scooter> <randabis Thankyou, that is a KILLer command! I am going to assign it to XFce button :)
[06:52] <kakalto> what is totem-xine?
[06:52] <randabis> it's dawg ugly though
[06:52] <nevyn> just read it off the damn disk/share/whatever when I tel you to play it.
[06:52] <nevyn> arrg.
[06:52] <kakalto> randabis, I've heard vlc is great, haven't seen it yet
[06:52] <randabis> totem-xine is totem with a xine backend
[06:52] <kakalto> what's totem?
[06:53] <randabis> the default video player
[06:53] <HrdwrBoB> nevyn: because when you have >nonotrivial amounts of media you need to manage it
[06:53] <duderiffic> time for sleep...  i might actuall install this on my other pc
[06:53] <nevyn> ummm
[06:53] <duderiffic> maybe
[06:53] <nevyn> HrdwrBoB: umm I manage it myself. I don't want the player to do it.
[06:53] <HrdwrBoB> in any case, last time I checked, mplayer, xmms, totem, and others didn't manage anything
[06:53] <HrdwrBoB> they just played
[06:54] <swim> hay! hoary users, what happened to the panel mail notification thing? its not in right click panel "add to panel"
[06:54] <Scooter> ok getting krusader :) Thankyou
[06:54] <randabis> only ones in linux I know of that do music management are rhythmbox and amarok
[06:55] <randabis> maybe kaffiene too but I haven't used it
[06:56] <nevyn> HrdwrBoB: btw.. 60gig of mp3's is still non-trivial
[06:56] <nevyn> 30 or so of music videos
[06:56] <randabis> I would use beep if I could get it to add whole directories....
[06:56] <HrdwrBoB> yes, and you choose to manage it yourself
[06:56] <swim> anyone know where the panel mail notification thing is???
[06:56] <HrdwrBoB> apps to help you manage that aren't inherently a bad thing
[06:57] <randabis> I have all my music in one folder called mp3...beep won't add just that folder...wants me to do all the individual directories...that would take forever
[06:57] <Scooter> is it possible to format the MBR? I have bloody fedora on other partition, and it wont let me install Ubuntu MBR... i wanna Nuke it , and try installing Ubuntu again
[06:57] <randabis> I was thinking about just making a playlist in xmms and then loading it in beep, but my xmms is broken for some od reason
[06:58] <swim> so is noone using hoary? or are you all just ignoring me?
[06:58] <K-Rich> Scooter: got a dos/win bootdisk? if so 'fdisk /mbr'
[06:58] <K-Rich> warty here
[06:58] <randabis> I'm using hoary swim, I just don't know the answer to your question
[06:59] <swim> randabis, could you right click on your panel and select add to panel and then see if the mail notification is in there?
[06:59] <HrdwrBoB> swim: I think it was being redone
 Thanks :), i will try that.. If not working i will re install the 32 bit windows... Great Idea :) I did not think about useing windows to fix linux LOL!
[06:59] <Scooter> I had to re-install it some time anyways..
[06:59] <Scooter> so I install windows then Ubuntu :D
[07:00] <swim> HrdwrBoB, meaning that could be a reason the notification thing is not in the rightclick add to panel thing?
[07:00] <K-Rich> Scooter: no need, just use the boot disk from say win98 :)   Lemme check if the linux fdisk has that real fast
[07:00] <randabis> swim sure one sec
[07:00] <HrdwrBoB> swim: yes
[07:00] <swim> HrdwrBoB, ok cool
[07:01] <Scooter> well, i got to re-install anyways, ther is nothin there, I just installed it to fill the partition1 with a M$ os
[07:01] <Scooter> my actual windows is 64 biton diffrent partition
[07:01] <randabis> I don't have anywhere free on my panel to add anything...lol
[07:01] <randabis> I have everything on one panel
[07:01] <Scooter> the only reason I have 32 bit windows partition is so I can install DOOM 3 and copy over to linux and win 64 LOL!
[07:02] <swim> my goodness
[07:02] <randabis> why not just install doom3 natively in linux?
[07:02] <Scooter> is this possible?
[07:02] <randabis> yes
[07:02] <Br34ch> Okay, so  . . . heh, yeah, this is the Linux nub. I kinda . . . clicked the "Delete the panel," for the upper panel . . . how can I get that back exactly for the default as it was?
[07:02] <Scooter> 0o
[07:02] <randabis> there's a linux port for doom3
[07:02] <crimsun> http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/
[07:03] <kakalto> yay
[07:03] <kakalto> linux is much smarter than win ;D
[07:03] <Vjaz> Success. Firefox works after upgrading the rest of the packages.
[07:03] <Scooter> Sweet Thanks!
[07:04] <swim> randabis, you dont actually have to add the mail notification thing just to check if its in there!
[07:04] <Guardiann> Br34ch right click on lowerv panel and add panel
[07:04] <Guardiann> #lower
[07:04] <Br34ch> Well, yes I did . . . but how can I get the default panel back . . . I don't remember what used to be there and whatnot
[07:04] <Br34ch> Isn't there some . . . uhm, magical thing, that I can . . . download, maybe? heh..
[07:05] <K-Rich> that sucked :P
[07:06] <Br34ch> Alright . . . if I was to add items to panel, corresponding the default as it was before - I would have to add certain first and certain last, correct? Or would I be able to manage them afterwards?
[07:07] <randabis> swim well I can't check because there's no room to even try and add anything to the panel
[07:07] <randabis> it'
[07:07] <randabis> it's completely filled up
[07:07] <randabis> I don't want to add another panel :/
[07:07] <HrdwrBoB> Br34ch: you can move items about the panel
[07:07] <Br34ch> How would I do that?
[07:08] <crimsun> Br34ch: middle-mouse click the item and drag
[07:08] <Br34ch> I kinda don't have the "middle-mouse button" . . . :\
[07:08] <Zotnix> Do you have a wheel?
[07:09] <HrdwrBoB> Br34ch: right click, move
[07:09] <K-Rich> oh hey, i wore the Ubuntu T-Shirt i made to the pub tonigh and ended up handing out 6 CDs :P
[07:09] <HrdwrBoB> if it's locked, you need to unlock it
[07:10] <swim> randabis, all I need to know is if its in the list... so just right click on the panel and select add to panel and a list will pop up, just tell me if its in that list... then click cancel...
[07:10] <Zotnix> Also if you have a mouse wheel (or nub) that can be pushed that is often used as a "middle click"
[07:10] <HrdwrBoB> both buttons together can also be used as middle click
[07:11] <Br34ch> thanks, that works well
[07:11] <randabis> swim I CAN'T select add to panel
[07:11] <randabis> that's what I've been saying this whole time
[07:11] <randabis> there is no add to panel option
[07:12] <randabis> because my panel is completely full
[07:12] <swim> ok that sounds ridiculous but whatever man
[07:12] <Scooter> Well that Xkill really works great! just dont Kill the desktop in XFCE, you loose the COntext menu and have to restart X to get it back LOL!
[07:12] <K-Rich> a full panel? make the panel smaller maybe
[07:12] <Zotnix> swim, once I accidently put my panel on the side. It filled up the entire panel and I couldn't click anywhere to move it back (as the applets stretched oddly).
[07:13] <Br34ch> What exactly is Panel Notification Area?
[07:14] <Zotnix> It's an applet that puts icons in on your panel for programs that put icons in it.. much like in Windows near the clock.
[07:14] <randabis> Scooter LOL
[07:14] <Zotnix> When you run gaim, it puts an icon in there.
[07:14] <Zotnix> Wow... that sentence made no sense.
[07:15] <Br34ch> I understood.. thanks :)
[07:15] <Scooter> I got Xkill on my context menu and a cool Icon in my Pannel, Thanks for the tip :)
[07:15] <randabis> swim this is what my desktop looks like http://img28.exs.cx/img28/9176/lol0xi.jpg
[07:16] <Zotnix> randabis, How'd you do that transparent terminal? I've tried to do that for awhile.
[07:16] <randabis> actually looks a little different now...that's from a few days ago
[07:16] <Zotnix> aterm?
[07:16] <randabis> no, Terminal
[07:16] <randabis> I installed it from the xfce site
[07:17] <swim> ok randabis it looks like theres probably a tiny bit of room between "Desktop"  menu and window list. But...  whats your bottom panel?
[07:17] <randabis> I don't have a bottom panel, and that's an old shot, that space you see is no longer there
[07:18] <randabis> well actually that space you see actually isn't free space
[07:18] <randabis> that's just how the two applets line up
[07:18] <Scooter> nice :)
[07:18] <randabis> right-clicking there allows me to remove the window list, or change its properties
[07:19] <randabis> okay
[07:19] <randabis> I shrunk the window list temporarily
[07:19] <randabis> I did add panel, there's no mail notification applet
[07:20] <swim> thank you very much
[07:20] <swim> now I know its not just me
[07:20] <K-Rich> i think i'm the only person nerdy enough to pass out CDs at the pub
[07:20] <randabis> hah
 how come your pannel looks so nice? mine looks like some GTK project...
[07:22] <randabis> I tweaked it a bit, most of the niceness is from the theme I'm using
 I was passing out knoppix cds at the pub last week LOL!
[07:22] <Scooter> is that the XFCE pannel?
[07:23] <randabis> no that's gnome
[07:23] <randabis> I can show you what my xfce looks like on my laptop
[07:23] <Scooter> Oh!  iget it :)
[07:24] <randabis> http://img92.exs.cx/img92/8647/xfcelaptop3en.jpg
[07:24] <K-Rich> randabis: gdesklets menu thing?
[07:24] <Scooter> nice Blue :)
[07:24] <randabis> yeah I keep the laptop blue and the main box green because my main box IS green
[07:25] <randabis> K-Rich yep :)
[07:25] <Scooter> lol
[07:25] <Scooter> I use XFCE on my desktop systems.. I like how simple it is, and the BOOT time
[07:26] <Scooter> I am learning linux, I need to use command line as much as possible :)
[07:26] <randabis> yeah, I just like my gnome eye candy :) It boots plenty fast for me too
[07:26] <randabis> gnome is a little laggy on the laptop though...rightfully so...it's old
[07:27] <nevyn> ok..
[07:27] <nevyn> X is running and gdm is working.
[07:27] <K-Rich> Scooter: make seperate .xinitrc files for all X apps then use a script to 'cp ~/xinit/.xinitrc.gimp ~/.xinitrc'
[07:27] <K-Rich> lol
[07:27] <nevyn> every now and then I come back to my computer and X has died and the screen says ... please restart gdm after making sure X is correctly configured.
[07:27] <Scooter> 0o
[07:27] <Br34ch> I was just looking at that wallpaper yesterday . . . for some psycholigcal site or something
[07:28] <Tuxicity> Anyone knows a lot about PSUs?
[07:28] <Zotnix_> I just crashed Ubuntu...
[07:28] <nevyn> Tuxicity: the heavier the better?
[07:28] <Zotnix_> :(
[07:28] <duncanm> hola
[07:28] <duncanm> is hoary stable right now?
[07:28] <Tuxicity> nevyn, my fan doesnt make any wind, is this normal?
[07:29] <nevyn> how old is it?
[07:29] <Tuxicity> nevyn, new!
[07:29] <Br34ch> randabis: I crashed Ubuntu too some time ago.. I was getting "Checking for GLib (GModule) >= 2.2.0... not found, see /root/.xfce4.installer-log for details" that ... for Xfce, what was it that you had suggested again?
[07:30] <randabis> you'll need the development libraries for glib
[07:30] <randabis> I forget the exact package name :/
[07:30] <randabis> I can look
[07:30] <Tuxicity> nevyn, i mean it spins, but compared to my other systems, it "blows" (does not actually)
[07:30] <duncanm> i ran apt-get dist-upgrade on my machine today and GNOME kinda stopped working
[07:31] <randabis> Br34ch, you need libglib2.0-dev
[07:31] <nevyn> Tuxicity: it's spinning. don't worry about it.
[07:31] <Br34ch> And I should get it by Synaptic?
[07:32] <nevyn> Br34ch: just install xfce from universe.
[07:32] <Zotnix_> I tried running "lightspeed" from hoary and... my whole computer locked. Couldn't move my mouse, couldn't ctrl+alt+F1 to tty1
[07:32] <Zotnix_> :(
[07:32] <Br34ch> I'm a . . . nub
[07:32] <Zotnix_> So I had to hit my hard reset button.
[07:32] <randabis> the xfce in universe is old though :/
[07:32] <K-Rich> my lame desktop http://img173.exs.cx/img173/3557/screenshot1kq.png
[07:33] <randabis> Br34ch yes, or just sudo apt-get install libglib2.0-dev
[07:33] <randabis> you'll need some other development libraries to install xfce 4.2 as well
[07:33] <randabis> it will tell you what's missing
[07:33] <randabis> just do synaptic searches for each thing it doesn't have
[07:34] <randabis> make sure you get the development libraries, not just the runtimes
[07:34] <Tuxicity> nevyn, BIOS doesnt mention case fan RPM, just CPU fan RPM...
[07:34] <randabis> K-Rich, nice and clean, I like
[07:35] <Br34ch> Got it, thanks again
[07:35] <nevyn> Tuxicity: it's possibly NC
[07:35] <Tuxicity> nevyn, NC means?
[07:35] <randabis> np
[07:35] <nevyn> Tuxicity: not connected
[07:35] <K-Rich> randabis: yeah, you shoul;d see my dads deskop (though it's winxp) most cluttered mess i've ever seen lol
[07:35] <nevyn> as in the sensor is not connected to the motherboard.
[07:35] <randabis> haha
[07:36] <Tuxicity> nevyn, err, aint the sensor part of th MB?
[07:36] <nevyn> no.
[07:36] <nevyn> the sensor would be in the fan.
[07:37] <randabis> haha <3 streamripper
[07:37] <randabis> just keeps ripping away
[07:37] <nevyn> anyway gone... tv.
[07:37] <Tuxicity> nevyn, ooooh, do all power supplys come with a sensor?
[07:39] <pestil> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh!!!!! my top menus dissappeared!!!! Applications and Computer menus are gone!!!!
[07:39] <pestil> what do I do???
[07:39] <pestil> I can't even take a screenshot!!!!
[07:39] <pestil> aaaaaaah!
[07:40] <pestil> WHAT DO I DO???
[07:41] <K-Rich> ctrl-alt-f1  then 'sudo killall gnome-panel;gnome-panel' then alt-f7
[07:41] <Zotnix_> K-Rich, beat me to it.
[07:42] <K-Rich> Zotnix_: great minds :)
[07:42] <HappyFool> oh. i was going to suggest logging out and erasing ~/.gnome and associated directories. good thing i didn't ;)
[07:42] <pestil> K-Rich is it possible to bring it back without killing it all? I've been dowloading a huge file for hours and it will be done in about half hour
[07:42] <K-Rich> pestil: the file should continue to download :)
[07:42] <pestil> oh
[07:42] <K-Rich> it just prings the menus (gnome-panel) back
[07:43] <pestil> brb
[07:43] <Zotnix_> Hope he remembers how to come back.
[07:43] <K-Rich> lol
[07:44] <pestil> umm, I went F1 till F8, which brought me back?
[07:44] <K-Rich> thats ok
[07:44] <K-Rich> :)
[07:44] <pestil> It all went black and asked for login. I entered it.
[07:44] <K-Rich> got your panel back ?
[07:45] <pestil> then I typed startx and it said fatal error cuz is used on 0
[07:45] <pestil> so I started banging F1, F2 F3 until I ended here like around in F22
[07:45] <pestil> WAIT! right click the desktop just gave me a terminal! woohoo!
[07:45] <K-Rich> heh
[07:46] <pestil> what can I type here? (the panels were killed)
[07:46] <pestil> what do I type at the terminal?
[07:46] <pestil> xkill
[07:46] <K-Rich> sudo killall gnome-panel;gnome-panel
[07:47] <pestil> gnome-panel gives "Error> A panel was detected running, and will be terminated now"
[07:47] <pestil> lemme try again. brb
[07:47] <K-Rich> type what i said and all should be good :P
[07:48] <pestil> K-Rich, it gave me the error dialog again, but this time the menus came back!!!! WOOOHOOOOOO!
[07:48] <randabis> lol
[07:48] <K-Rich> heh
[07:48] <pestil> you're genius! best of all, all the apps are still in the taskbar! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[07:48] <randabis> streamripper rocks my socks lol
[07:49] <randabis> damn I could go for some alcoholic refreshment right now :/
[07:49] <randabis> no way I'm getting any at this hour though
[07:49] <pestil> K-Rich: where'd you know so much?? I swallowed most all the ubuntu forums and couldn't come up with that?
[07:49] <randabis> schweet
[07:49] <pestil> K-Rich CHEERS
[07:50] <K-Rich> pestil: 4 years nothing but *nix
[07:50] <randabis> I knows my *nix pretty well too...always learning though
[07:50] <pestil> K-Rich: dammit, those dialogs keep popping up. "OK" "OK" OK" ok'
[07:50] <pestil> brb
[07:51] <K-Rich> Hmmmmmm
[07:51] <pestil> wait, it gave up at the 16th dialog
[07:51] <K-Rich> LOL
[07:51] <K-Rich> must have been cached lol
[07:51] <pestil> dammit, I closed the terminal and the panel dissappeared again! dammit dammit
[07:51] <randabis> lol
[07:51] <pestil> wait, the panels came back, but without the menus, shooot
[07:52] <pestil> erase last line. Menus at the top reappeared. EVERYTHING'S FINE!!
[07:52] <K-Rich> ROFLMAO
[07:52] <randabis> poor gnome :/
[07:52] <randabis> haha
[07:52] <randabis> sorry I got greedy
[07:52] <K-Rich> np
[07:53] <pestil> And the apps in the taskbar are *intact* Not even Explorer in Win2k could do that when I nuke it through taskbar
[07:53] <randabis> that's because you only killed gnome-panel and not the apps
[07:53] <K-Rich> pestil: the joys of *nix
[07:53] <pestil> K-Rich: moments like this are where Ubuntu shines at making good impressions. GRANTED IF THERE'S XCHAT ACCESS
[07:54] <pestil> K-Rich: If PayPal worked in my country, I'd toss you some real Heannukas right now
[07:54] <randabis> forums are generally pretty good too...the great thing about ubuntu is there are PLENTY of online resources
[07:54] <setite> my ubuntu discs came!!!!
[07:54] <randabis> awesome
[07:54] <setite> i thought i wouldnt see them till after hoary was released
[07:54] <pestil> whoppeeee. Let me print those instructions for next emergency!
[07:55] <randabis> what do the pressed cds look like anyway?
[07:55] <Zotnix_> They have nekkid people and stuff.
[07:55] <Suva> Cool
[07:55] <randabis> gotta love the nekkidz
[07:55] <Zotnix_> ubuntu-calendar is in hoary I think... maybe warty.
[07:55] <Zotnix_> They have the artwork from the CDs
[07:56] <pestil> K-Rich, thanks for the 911, man.
[07:56] <Zotnix_> Which include nekkid women.
[07:56] <Zotnix_> But nothing shows.
[07:56] <Zotnix_> Heh
[07:56] <Suva> So... Anyways... Does anybody here use ubuntu? :)
[07:56] <pestil> K-Rich, just before I leave, umm, does what I just experienced happen a lot? Is there a way to avoid it in the future?
[07:56] <Suva> And is it really "better" than debian?
[07:56] <crimsun> Suva: none of us do. We all use Windows.
[07:56] <pestil> K-Rich: heck, without those two menus, people die!
[07:57] <K-Rich> pestil: i've had it happen 2 times in 4 years :P
[07:57] <crimsun> Suva: "better" is subjective, but it's safe to assume most of us prefer it for most applications to $any_other_distro
[07:57] <Zotnix_> Anyone else having problems with gnome-theme-manager in hoary? Mine seems to like to keep scrolling to the top of the list.
[07:57] <K-Rich> pestil: naw, as long as you can get to a terminal :)
[07:57] <Zotnix_> (can't scroll down)
[07:57] <Zotnix_> I installed a bit in the way of themes..
[07:57] <jesuel> i have to say im quite impressed with ubuntu
[07:57] <jesuel> :)
[07:58] <randabis> :)
[07:58] <Suva> So what is the installer like?
[07:58] <Zotnix_> Simple.
[07:58] <jesuel> simple
[07:58] <Suva> Is it just debian installer?
[07:58] <Zotnix_> Doesn't offer much in the way of options.
[07:58] <Suva> Or something different?
[07:58] <pestil> whew. That's good then. I just noticed that Ubuntu has terminal access first option in right click desktop. Hadn't it been for this, I would've though it uselss
[07:58] <K-Rich> randabis: there is a red one and an orange one, the red one is live-cd the orange is install and it has those 3 people on the cover, i just ordered aother 35 disks for my lug meetings etc.
[07:58] <randabis> cool
[07:58] <jdub> Suva: streamlined new debian-installer
[07:58] <randabis> Suva yes it's based on the sarge installer
[07:58] <Suva> But it's modified?
[07:59] <randabis> not really, a little bit
[07:59] <Suva> Oh, ok
[07:59] <jesuel> its really shiny :)
[07:59] <K-Rich> yeah, says Ubuntu rather than Debian lol
[07:59] <jesuel> it "Works"
[07:59] <randabis> hooray for streamripper :p
[07:59] <pestil> K-Rich: last question, I promise. How do I get to applications:/// from the terminal? without using nautilus? (just in case)
[07:59] <Suva> So far I have concidered debian the best distribution
[07:59] <jesuel> haha yeah randa
[07:59] <jesuel> getting your mp3 fix eh?
[08:00] <Suva> (That's why I am using SuSE)
[08:00] <pestil> K-Rich: or the directory where the "Screenshot" and "Log out" options are?
[08:00] <jesuel> eww suse ..
[08:00] <K-Rich> pestil: good question, i always use nautilus... but i think it's a file under ~/.gnome
[08:00] <jesuel> suse imho has alot of fluff
[08:00] <randabis> jesuel indeed
[08:00] <setite> the nekkid eople are a little ugly
[08:00] <Zotnix_> The guy has a big nose.
[08:00] <Suva> Well my laptop came preinstalled with SuSE :)
[08:00] <jesuel> interesting
[08:00] <Zotnix_> don't have much opinion on the women.
[08:00] <randabis> Suse is nice, I really hate YaST though...It's a blessing and a curse, mostly a curse
[08:00] <pestil> K-Rich: tausend thanx!!! You just saved a humand being!!!!
[08:00] <pestil> bye
[08:00] <setite> well he's jewish.. whaddaya expect
[08:00] <K-Rich> Zotnix_: and the black chick has no tits
[08:00] <Suva> SuSE sucks
[08:01] <Suva> Yast is a worst configuration tool ever
[08:01] <jesuel> im currently about to install ubuntu64 on my lappy ;p
[08:01] <randabis> I agree... some people swear by it though
[08:01] <jesuel> once this cd gets done writing, and i swap the drive on it
[08:01] <Suva> And the SaX... Let's just not talk about SaX :)
[08:01] <randabis> hmm...I wonder if streamtuner can do ogg...probably not
[08:01] <randabis> err
[08:01] <jesuel> no
[08:01] <randabis> streamripper lol
[08:01] <K-Rich> best system config tool is vi
[08:01] <K-Rich> :P
[08:01] <jesuel> not yet anyhow
[08:01] <Suva> randabis, it can
[08:01] <jesuel> K-Rich: agreed
[08:01] <jesuel> Suva: really?
[08:02] <Necrosan> How do I make the PPC version use SMP?
[08:02] <Suva> randabis, if you are ripping OGG stream
[08:02] <randabis> ah
[08:02] <pestil> K-Rich: bye
[08:02] <randabis> that makes sense
[08:02] <Suva> randabis, it doesn't encode anything, it just saves the stream
[08:02] <randabis> yeah I know
[08:02] <randabis> I suppose encode on the fly could be problematic
[08:02] <jesuel> especially on slower machines
[08:03] <Suva> Not really
[08:03] <Suva> It can be done
[08:03] <jesuel> or if you are doing more than 1 stream at a time
[08:03] <Suva> But what the hell do you encode anyways if the stream is ALLREADY encoded :D
[08:03] <randabis> I'm doing 3 right now
[08:03] <jesuel> still doing 6 ;p
[08:03] <randabis> hehe
[08:03] <jesuel> actually 7
[08:03] <Necrosan> Anyone?
[08:03] <jesuel> doing radiofreezion too ;p
[08:03] <jesuel> forgot about that one
[08:04] <Suva> And you won't get any sound improvment on converting MP3 to OGG :)
[08:04] <Zotnix_> I did that.
[08:04] <Zotnix_> It ruined a few mp3s
[08:04] <Zotnix_> But overall it worked. Saved some space.
[08:04] <Suva> Maybe
[08:04] <Suva> OGG has better quality on lower bitrates than MP3
[08:05] <Suva> Anyways there is the ICEcast protocol
[08:05] <Zotnix_> I REALLY wish they'd allow CD burning at a user level.
[08:05] <Suva> Which (mostly) runs on OGG
[08:05] <K-Rich> i use ogg now but i have like 12000 mp3s
[08:06] <Suva> K-Rich, converting them to OGG will lose quality
[08:06] <K-Rich> i know
[08:06] <Guardiann> Zotnix you mean with warty
[08:06] <Zotnix_> I didn't lose any quality.. o.O
[08:06] <K-Rich> though ripping to ogg is fine
[08:06] <Zotnix_> Guardiann, hoary
[08:06] <Zotnix_> Well, it's a kernel issue.
[08:06] <Agrajag> Yes you did, if you didn't notice it you just don't have sensitive hearing
[08:06] <jesuel> 12000 mp3's, thats a healthy amount ;p
[08:06] <Guardiann> hoary you burn at user level
[08:06] <Suva> Zotnix_, yes, because you have bad ears :)
[08:06] <Zotnix_> Since 2.6.8.1 they made CD burning only accessible to rot
[08:06] <Agrajag> not a bad thing
[08:06] <Necrosan> Hello?
[08:06] <Br34ch> Checking for Gtk+ >= 2.2.0... not found, see /root/.xfce4.installer-log for details  <-- ..and how would I get around this? What package exactly would I have to attain? :s
[08:06] <Zotnix_> I do actuall.
[08:06] <Zotnix_> actually*
[08:06] <Necrosan> Anyone got any pointers on how to enable SMP on a power mac?
[08:07] <Suva> chmod u+s /usr/bin/cdrecord :P
[08:07] <Zotnix_> s/rot/root
[08:08] <Suva> Zotnix_, it used to require only write access to CD-drive /dev/ entry
[08:08] <Suva> read/write that is
[08:08] <linux-rulz> Necrosan: do u have an SMP kernel installed?
[08:09] <randabis> Br34ch libglib2.0-dev
[08:09] <randabis> err
[08:09] <randabis> just a sec
[08:10] <jesuel> hrm, beer time
[08:10] <randabis> Br34ch, libgtk2.0-dev
[08:10] <Br34ch> I have it, apparently..
[08:10] <Br34ch> OH
[08:10] <Br34ch> Wait, no . . . sorry, heh
[08:10] <randabis> :)
[08:10] <Necrosan> linux-rulz, where do I get one?
[08:11] <Suva> apt-get install :P
[08:12] <jesuel> mmm newcastle
[08:14] <linux-rulz> Necroscan: go into Computer > System Configuration > Synaptic and then do a search for linux, then install the kernel that has SMP
[08:14] <K-Rich> man, pit bulls with seperation anxiety are a pain in the arse!
[08:14] <jesuel> ...
[08:14] <jesuel> uhg
[08:14] <swim> hay is there an nes or snes or any type of good nes emulator in the ubuntu repos?
[08:14] <randabis> running 4 streams now :p
[08:14] <jesuel> K-Rich: that sounds very bad
[08:14] <jesuel> randabis: what streams?
[08:14] <Br34ch> Compiling installer-gui... failed, see /root/.xfce4.installer-log for details  <-- erm? :x
[08:15] <randabis> swim zsnes for snes, there's this other one for nes that starts with an X
[08:15] <K-Rich> jesuel: he tears stuff up... like shoes, and toilet paper lol
[08:15] <jesuel> ouch
[08:15] <jesuel> im getting a new dog
[08:15] <jesuel> in about a month
[08:15] <jesuel> a beagle
[08:15] <Zotnix_> Attempting user level write right now.
[08:15] <Zotnix_> (to CD_
[08:15] <jesuel> was just born 3 weeks ago
[08:15] <swim> k thx randabis
[08:16] <randabis> jesuel, AfterhoursDJs, RadioAFB.net, RADIOBLAGON, bash.org radio
[08:16] <jesuel> cool :)
[08:16] <jesuel> bash.org radio? what do they play?
[08:16] <randabis> techno stuff
[08:16] <Zotnix_> lame IRC quotes.
[08:17] <jesuel> lol Zotnix_
[08:17] <K-Rich> jesuel: i got mine (Buddy) about 6 months ago
[08:17] <randabis> err that's RadioABF.net not AFB
[08:17] <jesuel> my last dog, a airdale mix died last spring
[08:17] <randabis> :/
[08:17] <jesuel> figured it was time to get a new dog
[08:18] <jesuel> he was older, had to kinda knock him out to trim his nails
[08:18] <randabis> Br34ch, still there? you probably need the build-essential metapackage
[08:18] <jesuel> and he really never came out of the knocking out :(
[08:18] <Br34ch> Uhmm, I'll try getting it
[08:19] <swim> huh I only see vidualboyadvance when searching with synaptics for zsnes
[08:19] <randabis> lol I recorded myself playing the mighty morphin power rangers theme song
[08:19] <Br34ch> Anything else I'd need? Or is this it?
[08:19] <Br34ch> Given I've done a default fresh ubuntu installation
[08:20] <randabis> you'll need some other stuff, but I don't recall what they are..it will tell you the package names
[08:20] <Zotnix_> user write failed to CD-ROM
[08:20] <Zotnix_> erm
[08:20] <Zotnix_> cd-rw drive
[08:20] <K-Rich> jesuel: http://img186.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img186&image=buddy32sk.jpg   my boy :)
[08:20] <Br34ch> randabis: And most I will be able to get through Synaptic?
[08:21] <randabis> you'll be able to get all of them with synaptic
[08:21] <swim> randabis, know of a good site with game files?
[08:21] <Br34ch> Cool, thanks once again
[08:21] <randabis> just make sure you get the ones marked -dev as well
[08:21] <randabis> swim you mean roms? I'd check torrentspy
[08:22] <jesuel> K-Rich: definitely looks happy youre there :)
[08:22] <K-Rich> he's a sweetheart, and gentle as all hell, smart too
[08:23] <jesuel> ive always wanted a beagel
[08:23] <jesuel> err beagle
[08:23] <K-Rich> jesuel: snoopy fan?
[08:23] <K-Rich> :)
[08:23] <jesuel> my neighbor had one for years, and he was such a great dog
[08:23] <jesuel> i really got along with the dog, and he wasnt too big
[08:24] <jesuel> another breed i like is a shiba inu
[08:24] <jesuel> but those are a little more rare
[08:25] <Zotnix_> cdrecord: Illegal write mode for this drive.
[08:25] <Zotnix_> As user
[08:25] <K-Rich> jesuel: a what? never heard of that breed
[08:26] <K-Rich> Zotnix_: why not just use nautilus?
[08:26] <Zotnix_> I did.
[08:26] <K-Rich> errr ok
[08:26] <Zotnix_> Nautilus is a front end to cdrecord
[08:26] <Zotnix_> It came out with an error and those are the details.
[08:26] <jesuel> K-Rich: look it up :)
[08:26] <jesuel> they are interesting animals
[08:26] <K-Rich> Zotnix_: oh oh oh i know... you might need to suid root on /bin/cdrecord if i remember right
[08:27] <Zotnix_> I know. I just remember being able to write to CD-R as a user prior to 2.6.8.1
[08:28] <K-Rich> yeah
[08:28] <Zotnix_> Why can't they just add an option to the kernel "Allow user land writing to CD-RW drives"
[08:28] <Br34ch> I'm unable to find dbh1-0 and a2ps.. :o
[08:28] <Br34ch> In the Synaptic..
[08:28] <Suva> Zotnix_, Are you in the cdrom or cdwriter group?
[08:29] <Zotnix_> Ubuntu doesn't have those.
[08:29] <swim> randabis, is there an n 64 emu do you know ? (in the repos)
[08:29] <Suva> Uh?
[08:29] <Suva> Debian does
[08:29] <Zotnix_> Not Ubuntu.
[08:29] <randabis> swim mupen64
[08:29] <Zotnix_> They changed the kernel though.
[08:29] <randabis> not sure if it is in the repos though
[08:30] <Zotnix_> To burn to CD I'd have to go to the 2.6.7 kernel
[08:30] <Zotnix_> Or burn as root only.
[08:30] <swim> randabis, kool ill have a look if not ill just compile
[08:30] <randabis> I can burn a cd in k3b as a user...2.6.10
[08:30] <Suva> I guess there is away around it
[08:30] <Suva> Most likely you just need the rw access to the file
[08:30] <randabis> swim it's precompiled
[08:30] <K-Rich> Zotnix_:  errr Ubuntu does hav a cdrom group
[08:31] <randabis> yeah that's why it works for me, I'm in the cdrom group
[08:31] <K-Rich> Zotnix_: cat /etc/group|grep cdrom
[08:31] <randabis> my hurner is a CDR/RW//DVD reader
[08:31] <randabis> does everything but burn dvds
[08:31] <Suva> Zotnix_, your problem is propably the missing access to the right device
[08:31] <K-Rich> randabis: same here, samsung 52X :P
[08:31] <randabis> same 8mb cache?
[08:32] <K-Rich> yupp
[08:32] <randabis> :)
[08:32] <Suva> Zotnix_, most likely your previous kernel used SCSI emulation
[08:32] <randabis> it's a very good burner
[08:32] <randabis> I can't get it to burn over 30x in linux though for some reason
[08:32] <K-Rich> was on sale at Wal-Mart for like 59.97 (what's with wal-mart and the .97?)
[08:32] <Suva> And new one doesn't and it uses different device
[08:32] <Zotnix_> I can access the cdrom... can't burn to it.
[08:33] <randabis> Rich yeah I saw it at Wal-Mart too, but I got it when it was still in the 70 dollar range :/
[08:33] <randabis> got it from newegg
[08:33] <Br34ch> randabis: What could be the package name for dbh1-0 (Disk based hashtables) and a2ps(Postscript converter)?
[08:33] <K-Rich> randabis: they got a DVD burner now for like $60
[08:33] <Zotnix_>  cat /etc/group |grep cdrom produces: cdrom:x:24:martin,hal
[08:33] <Br34ch> I can't find it in Synaptic..
[08:34] <kakalto> is there a linux winamp?
[08:34] <randabis> Br34ch, a2ps, and libdbh1.0 libdbh1.0-dev
[08:34] <Suva> Zotnix_, see the permissions of the file /dev/cdrom points to
[08:34] <kakalto> or a gui-skin for another linux app to make it look like the new winamp
[08:34] <Suva> kakalto, no, but there is XMMS
[08:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> your love is like a flock o' birds
[08:34] <Zotnix_> brw-rw----   1 root cdrom
[08:34] <randabis> XMMS and Beep Media Player are the closest thing to winamp
[08:34] <Zotnix_> points to hdc
[08:34] <kakalto> Suva, how big is XMMS?
[08:35] <HrdwrBoB> kakalto: not very
[08:35] <Zotnix_> same permissions
[08:35] <randabis> it's tiny and in the repositories
[08:35] <kakalto> not very doesn't tell me much
[08:35] <kakalto> 5mb is huge for a 56k'er
[08:35] <randabis> both beep and XMMS are in the repos
[08:35] <kakalto> it's tiny for a broadband person
[08:35] <randabis> it's much less than 5mb
[08:35] <Suva> kakalto, 5x10cm :)
[08:35] <kakalto> lol
[08:35] <randabis> XMMS only gets large if you get all the plugins for it
[08:36] <kakalto> fair enough
[08:36] <kakalto> same with almost anything
[08:36] <K-Rich> anywho.... midnight:30 here so i'm off.. need some sleep before fellowship in the morn
[08:36] <randabis> XMMS is deprecated though
[08:36] <randabis> Beep is the GTK2 port of it
[08:36] <Suva> It is one of the core elements on most distributions anyways
[08:36] <kakalto> K-Rich, yeah, have your sleep ;)
[08:36] <K-Rich> night all
[08:36] <Suva> Beep is ugly :(
[08:37] <randabis> Suva yeah the default skin is kinda bleh
[08:37] <iMeXdiAC> how do i install a new font (.ttf) as root is disabled and font: in gnome doesnt work
[08:37] <randabis> I just use rhythmbox or totem
[08:37] <randabis> iMeXdiAC, you can add them to your .fonts directory in your home
[08:38] <randabis> you can also add them to /usr/share/fonts, but you must be a sudo user
[08:38] <kakalto> can I download beep for my default ubuntu installation with sudo apt-get install beep?
[08:38] <randabis> you can open a root terminal to do it fairly easily, or run nautilus as a sudo user
[08:38] <Br34ch> randabis: i can't still quite point them out.. :s
[08:38] <randabis> Br34ch I took the package names right from synaptic...
[08:38] <kakalto> after doing the repositories and codecs
[08:39] <randabis> a2ps, and libdbh1.0 libdbh1.0-dev
[08:39] <kakalto> hello?
[08:39] <randabis> libdbh1.0 might be libdbh1.0-1
[08:39] <randabis> kakalto, the beep package is beep-media-player
[08:39] <kakalto> sweet
[08:39] <Br34ch> Actually.. i think I'm pretty sure they're not there . . . could it be that i have to update the list or something?
[08:40] <randabis> possibly, also, do you have the universe and multiverse repositories enabled?
[08:40] <Br34ch> I don't know . . .
[08:40] <Br34ch> It's been an hour since the installation of ubuntu
[08:40] <Suva> Does Xorg support windows with alpha?
[08:40] <kakalto> BRB
[08:41] <randabis> click settings --> repositories
[08:41] <Br34ch> Well, more than an hour, but I haven't tweaked anything
[08:41] <Br34ch> Okay
[08:41] <swim> hrrm no win32 codecs in ubuntu repos?
[08:41] <randabis> check the unchecked boxes Br34ch
[08:41] <randabis> then click okay and then click Reload
[08:41] <iMeXdiAC> randbabis well i tried .. sudo nautilus fonts: .. but i couldnt drag it .. but in the terminal gnome complained: Authentication Rejected, with to me cryptic reason
[08:42] <randabis> swim nope, you can get them from marilliat's repository though...it won't break anything
[08:42] <swim> randabis, cool thanks
[08:43] <randabis> iMeXdiAC, probably better to right-click --> copy, navigate to the folder, then right-click --> paste
[08:44] <iMeXdiAC> randabis .. same reaction with copy paste
[08:44] <randabis> hmm
[08:45] <iMeXdiAC> gives no output in the terminal though .. the gnome ui warning was  None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[08:45] <randabis> Wish I could help you there...not sure
[08:46] <iMeXdiAC> think i might have to switch a gconf pref .. or setup root
[08:46] <swim> randabis, happen to know where marilliats repo is? id rather not add it to my source.lst just get the codecs package
[08:46] <jdub> iMeXdiAC: why are you running nautilus with sudo?
[08:47] <randabis> jdub he wants to copy fonts to /usr/share/fonts/
[08:47] <iMeXdiAC> jdub to get a ttf font installed the gnome way
[08:47] <jdub> you can install it for your user just by dragging it to fonts:///
[08:47] <jdub> if you want it available for all users, copy them at the command line with su
[08:47] <iMeXdiAC> jdub the window doesnt accept my drag ..
[08:47] <jdub> never run nautilus as root
[08:48] <randabis> I just add my fonts to /home/randabis/.fonts/ myself
[08:48] <randabis> root can get his own damned fonts :p
[08:49] <iMeXdiAC> randabis .. dont i have to run a config to get the fonts recognized by gnome or is copying to .fonts enough (defoma routines)
[08:49] <randabis> copying to .fonts is enough
[08:50] <iMeXdiAC> :) .. ll try .. so it should then show up in fonts:
[08:50] <randabis> just keep in mind only your user will be able to use them
[08:50] <randabis> doesn't matter if you're the only user besides root :p
[08:50] <iMeXdiAC> randabis .. well im the only user so no prblm about that ..
[08:50] <randabis> :)
[08:51] <iMeXdiAC> :))
[08:51] <Scooter> is there something like Znes for sega?
[08:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't see how xmms is so huge.  it needn't be bigger than a few thousand lines of code.
[08:52] <Scooter> dgen works but cant configure the keys :(
[08:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> comparable players in beos, for instance, were like 700k at most.
[08:52] <randabis> Try Gens
[08:53] <anTiXX> is there a regional setup? cant find it.. or do I edit some file in for setting my keymap?
[08:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone know how to use samba over an ssh tunnel?
[08:54] <knghtbrd> If anyone asks me (and of course, they do not), one should never need to run something as root.
[08:54] <kakalto> how do I copy all the contents of a directory to another location?
[08:54] <kakalto> is it cp -a path path2
[08:54] <randabis> anTiXX, you can change your keymappings in the keyboard tool
[08:54] <randabis> man cp :p
[08:55] <Br34ch> Now installing.. thanks so very much randabis
[08:55] <randabis> np Br34ch hope you like xfce 4.2 as much as I do :)
[08:55] <Br34ch> From what I've seen.. I think I'll like it a lot
[08:55] <randabis> it's great
[08:55] <knghtbrd> privelege seperation and an auth tool are the right solutions for this problem.  iirc, several bits of Gnome do this to varying degrees.
[08:56] <Br34ch> heheh, I hope it is
[08:56] <randabis> I still run gnome on this box, but my laptop uses xfce :)
[08:56] <kakalto> randabis, it doesn't have a special command for just "copy everything inside that folder"
[08:56] <anTiXX> randabis: thanks!! its my second day of ubuntu and I'm really enjoying it :)
[08:56] <kakalto> unless "archive" is that command
[08:56] <randabis> awesome
[08:56] <randabis> kakalto cp -a
[08:56] <spiral> hi
[08:57] <kakalto> but it's only copying the file in the directory, no files under other folders
[08:57] <kakalto> I'm copying with -av, so it's verbose aswell
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> i used xfce last year and hated it.
[08:57] <kakalto> and it only copies one file
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> i like gnome or fluxbox.
[08:57] <randabis> BROKEN 4.2 has improved a lot of things in xfce
[08:57] <spiral> on my user account, I've got a problem with xfce :
[08:57] <spiral> it doesn't start any window manager
[08:58] <randabis> kakalto, you could always use nautilus
[08:58] <kakalto> nautilus?
[08:58] <spiral> does anyone here know what I shall do to fix this ?
[08:58] <kakalto> is that the filebrowser?
[08:58] <randabis> yes
[08:58] <kakalto> is it able to display ntfs partitions?
[08:58] <randabis> yes
[08:58] <kakalto> kewl then
[08:58] <randabis> you have to make sure the partition is mounted though :)
[08:59] <spiral> any idea for my xfce pb ?
[08:59] <randabis> hmm
[08:59] <Necrosan> god damn my modem works slow in ubuntu
[08:59] <Necrosan> uggh
[08:59] <Necrosan> someone ping me
[09:00] <kakalto> thanks heaps, randabis :D
[09:00] <randabis> np
[09:00] <kakalto> I had problems before with looking at ntfs partitions, so I tried the terminal
[09:00] <randabis> ah
[09:00] <spiral> kakalto: charset problems maybe ?
[09:01] <randabis> I don't have any windows partitions :/
[09:01] <randabis> Necrosan that's a BAD ping :/
[09:01] <randabis> 64.87 seconds
[09:01] <s0cks> 2 questions
[09:01] <randabis> k
[09:01] <s0cks> How can I get ubuntu to recognise a PCI card
[09:01] <spiral> Necrosan: 78 secs for me... really bad
[09:01] <anTiXX> randabis: can I set naitilus to not open new windows?
[09:02] <spiral> Necrosan: I supposed you blocked it :-p
[09:02] <randabis> anTiXX yes, edit your preferences
[09:02] <aperson> hello all
[09:02] <anTiXX> randabis: ok great I'll give it another try :)
[09:02] <randabis> also, there's a handy app called gtweakui that controls nautilus and other apps
[09:02] <spiral> please... any idea for my xfce or any new about smartbatteries ?
[09:02] <s0cks> [3 aperson
[09:03] <anTiXX> hi aperson
[09:03] <randabis> s0cks, I suppose it would depend on the device...is it even listed in your device manager?
[09:03] <Rene_S> Hmm what are Hoary Backports ?
[09:03] <s0cks> randabis : ASk aperson
[09:03] <Rene_S> I understand the Warty ones, just don't get how Hoary has backports
[09:03] <aperson> anybody care to help me get a internet connection on the live cd?
[09:04] <aperson> my modem is detected
[09:04] <aperson> but
[09:04] <randabis> Hoary will have backports starting when Bendy starts development
[09:04] <aperson> I can't use it
[09:04] <kakalto> I've gone through the ubuntu-guide.org how to install codecs, but I still can't seem to play mp3s... what's up?
[09:04] <s0cks> aperson : I suggest kicking your computer
[09:04] <aperson> no
[09:05] <randabis> do you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed kakalto?
[09:05] <Necrosan> god damn
[09:05] <Necrosan> ubuntu ppc + internal modem = faultily slow speeds.
[09:05] <s0cks> aperson : It should cause it to mount, and be cool.
[09:05] <randabis> :/
[09:05] <aperson> doesn't matter to me about speed
[09:05] <aperson> I just want a connection
[09:05] <kakalto> randabis, I think so... how could I find out
[09:05] <kakalto> ?
[09:05] <randabis> aperson sorry, I haven't used a 56k type modem in years
[09:05] <randabis> kakalto, you could check in synaptic
[09:06] <randabis> it has a search tool
[09:06] <s0cks> APERSON : KICK IN IN THE BAG!
[09:06] <s0cks> Aperson : It will work.
[09:06] <kakalto> randabis, it's ther
[09:06] <kakalto> *there
[09:06] <randabis> what won't play mp3s?
[09:07] <randabis> you may have to change the program's output plugin
[09:07] <kakalto> randabis, no app I have will play my mp3s
[09:07] <Agrajag> apt-get install mpg321
[09:07] <Agrajag> if that won't play them you have sound driver issues
[09:08] <randabis> you should try changing the audio output plugins for those programs
[09:08] <kakalto> change it to ALSA, not OSS?
[09:08] <neighborlee> my friend installed ubuntu and she's having trouble with 'slow ' internet access...real slow...she has a onboard intel chip and says her internet was also slllow as dog in mdk too...i've checked forums on this and get zero results for intel nic card search....any idea how to speed things up for her ? ;-)))
[09:08] <randabis> yes change it to ALSA, or even better ESD...
[09:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: oss is a dinosaur.
[09:08] <kakalto> Agrajag; it says inside bmp, mpg321 as the mpeg thing
[09:08] <randabis> assuming your card uses alsa
[09:08] <Agrajag> kakalto: I mean the actual command-line program
[09:08] <kakalto> oh
[09:09] <kakalto> bmp won't even see my mp3s
[09:09] <Suva> neighborlee, The slowness is really relative
[09:09] <Suva> neighborlee, What does she mean by slow?
[09:09] <randabis> kakalto, you have to add them yourself I believe
[09:09] <crimsun> kakalto: echo "default_driver=esd" > ~/.libao
[09:09] <Suva> neighborlee, I doubt it's got anything to do with NIC
[09:09] <randabis> in the add files thingy
[09:09] <kakalto> what does "add them myself" require?
[09:09] <crimsun> kakalto: then try `mpg321 foo.mp3'
[09:09] <neighborlee> Suva, well..it took five minutes for cnn.com to come up
[09:10] <Suva> FIVE MINUTES? :O
[09:10] <neighborlee> Suva, correct
[09:10] <e-Jah> yop
[09:10] <randabis> perhaps the modem drivers suck
[09:10] <Suva> Did you try ping?
[09:10] <neighborlee> Suva, cna't now she's in winblows
[09:10] <neighborlee> Suva, ill ask her to when she returns
[09:11] <kakalto> okay, I don't seem to have mpg321... but it said something about it under bmp...
[09:11] <neighborlee> Suva, she'll return in five minutes in windows and return and verify ping speeds
[09:11] <Suva> neighborlee, what sort of net connection she is using?
[09:11] <randabis> kakalto, can you change the output plugin to something else?
[09:11] <Suva> neighborlee, what sort of hardware
[09:11] <randabis> if so, change it to gstreamer if possible
[09:12] <Suva> neighborlee, Uh... What is her phone number? ;)
[09:12] <neighborlee> Suva, dsl earthlink
[09:12] <neighborlee> Suva, 201-222-0095
[09:12] <swim> randabis, could you tell me where the repo with the win32 codecs are? id like to get the package manually
[09:12] <Suva> neighborlee, :P
[09:12] <neighborlee> Suva, if you call that your reall dumb LOL
[09:12] <kakalto> randabis, but it doesn't matter, 'cause it can't see the mp3s
[09:12] <Suva> neighborlee, I don't even know where my phone is :)
[09:12] <neighborlee> Suva, heh
[09:13] <Suva> neighborlee, but what sort of hardware?
[09:13] <Suva> neighborlee, any router?
[09:13] <randabis> swim I dunno...why not just add the source to your sources.list, get the codec, then remove it from your sources?
[09:13] <Suva> neighborlee, Or PPPoE device?
[09:13] <kakalto> BRB
[09:13] <swim> randabis, whats the source name so I can do that?
[09:14] <randabis> check on ubuntuguide...I really don't know the url offhand
[09:14] <neighborlee> Suva,..her connection is okahy in windows on same hardware of course...but wait she's heading back to ubunt in a moment
[09:15] <Suva> It's very hard to say
[09:15] <Suva> I think I could fix it when I were there
[09:15] <neighborlee> understood..
[09:15] <neighborlee> we can at least try
[09:15] <randabis> maybe she's using IPV6?
[09:16] <Suva> Just let her try ping first
[09:16] <neighborlee> yes
[09:16] <Suva> Then traceroute
[09:16] <neighborlee> ok
[09:16] <randabis> IPV6 will slow things down...
[09:16] <Suva> If ping is ok then there is no need for traceroute
[09:16] <neighborlee> its a default ubuntu install guys
[09:16] <randabis> shouldn't take 5 minutes for a page to load though :/
[09:16] <Suva> It might be the problem of DNS though
[09:16] <randabis> yeah
[09:17] <randabis> which could be caused by IP6
[09:17] <randabis> or a crappy dns server :/
[09:17] <neighborlee> I saw another post in ubuntu forums saying this chap can't even get a connection...and he's using same onboard NIC as my friend is..ie: intel Pro/100 VE
[09:17] <jesuel> plenty of those out there
[09:18] <neighborlee> but she has connection its just dog slow LOL
[09:18] <jesuel> mmm 300 baud ;p
[09:18] <randabis> lol
[09:18] <neighborlee> LOL
[09:18] <Suva> neighborlee, It should work though
[09:19] <neighborlee> Suva, she have a ping soon then we know more
[09:19] <kakalto> okay, the mpg321 <mp3 path> works, but my beep doesn't; any ideas why?
[09:19] <Suva> kakalto, wrong output driver
[09:19] <kakalto> never mind
[09:19] <kakalto> I know why it can't find it
[09:19] <randabis> :)
[09:19] <kakalto> silly ubuntu
[09:19] <jesuel> silly ubuntu, or silly user? ;p
[09:19] <kakalto> I accidently changed the permissions to root-only :(
[09:20] <jesuel> ahh, silly user
[09:20] <kakalto> :P
[09:20] <kakalto> although I have no idea how I did it
[09:20] <jesuel> magic
[09:21] <randabis> silly user, root is for h4x0rs
[09:21] <jesuel> what i found weird, was when i installed ubuntu, i didnt get a option to set the root password
[09:21] <jesuel> that annoyed me
[09:21] <gabaug> what happened to the wireless connection-quality applet?
[09:21] <neighborlee> yeah you dont ;-))
[09:21] <gabaug> (in Hoary)
[09:21] <jesuel> yeah, i know
[09:21] <jesuel> quite annoying, how are you supposed to login as root if you need to
[09:21] <jesuel> *rude*
[09:21] <netbyte> what makes ubuntu different than debian ?
[09:21] <Agrajag> sudo -s
[09:22] <Agrajag> why would you ever need to log in as root?
[09:22] <pw> jesuel: "sudo su"
[09:22] <pw> Agrajag: To avoid typing "sudo" before everything you do :)
[09:22] <jesuel> i had to login as root to fix permissions, i have a 120gb drive mounted for my /home directory
[09:23] <Agrajag> jesuel: then there's single-user mode
[09:23] <kakalto> how do I chmod a folder & all its subfolders and files as the same, under nautilus?
[09:23] <jesuel> ah
[09:23] <Agrajag> Or you could just set a root password if you absolutely feel it's necessary
[09:23] <jesuel> i just booted with the cd and chrooted, and got in
[09:23] <jesuel> and set a password
[09:23] <Agrajag> personally I advise everyone against it, but some people just won't learn new tricks
[09:23] <randabis> netbyte, well, it has much newer packages for one
[09:23] <Agrajag> huh?
[09:23] <Suva> jesuel, init=/bin/sh :P
[09:23] <Agrajag> oh right
[09:24] <jesuel> so by default, you can use sudo without a password?
[09:24] <randabis> man chmod
[09:24] <Agrajag> of course not
[09:24] <Agrajag> you have to give your user password
[09:24] <jesuel> oh really?
[09:24] <netbyte> that's all? newer packages?
[09:24] <jesuel> thats it?
[09:24] <Agrajag> yes
[09:24] <jesuel> silly
[09:24] <Agrajag> silly?
[09:24] <jesuel> just weird
[09:24] <Agrajag> how so?
[09:25] <randabis> netbyte nah theres some other things
[09:25] <Agrajag> That's how sudo works
[09:25] <jesuel> doesnt seem secure
[09:25] <jesuel> to me
[09:25] <randabis> I suggest checking http://www.ubuntulinux.org if you're really interested in ubuntu
[09:25] <kakalto> how do I set the ownership of a directory's *.*?
[09:25] <Agrajag> jesuel: how is it not secure?
[09:26] <Agrajag> kakalto: you want to set permissions only on files which have a dot in them?
[09:26] <netbyte> yup, i'm visit the website already
[09:26] <netbyte> i visit* :D
[09:26] <jesuel> Agrajag: i see, looking in /etc/sudoers
[09:26] <Zotnix_> Well, dived in deeper into my not being able to burn CDs as user.
[09:26] <jesuel> that makes sens
[09:26] <jesuel> err sense
[09:26] <Agrajag> jesuel: yeah
[09:26] <jesuel> it is secure
[09:26] <kakalto> arg, under most OS's, *.* means ALL files & folders
[09:26] <Zotnix_> I chmod 666 /dev/hdc (I know, bad, desperate).
[09:26] <kakalto> *.*, as in anything.anything
[09:26] <jesuel> so by default, root is completely unable to login
[09:26] <kakalto> not .*
[09:26] <Agrajag> that way, if some program allows an attacker to spawn a shell as a user, they still can't use sudo without that password
[09:26] <jesuel> interesting
[09:26] <Agrajag> right
[09:26] <Zotnix_> still no go. Apparently cdrecord can't detect drive modes. Only root can.
[09:27] <Agrajag> kakalto: right... that's any file with a dot in it
[09:27] <Agrajag> not every file has a dot
[09:27] <Agrajag> * is every file
[09:27] <kakalto> ah
[09:27] <Agrajag> *.* is every file with a dot in it
[09:27] <kakalto> okay
[09:27] <jesuel> hrm, perhaps ill go back to the old way
[09:28] <kakalto> so how do I change a folder's * permissions so my normal user can use it?
[09:28] <jesuel> now that i know better
[09:28] <jesuel> :)
[09:28] <Agrajag> anyway you can do "chown -R <owner> ." to recursively set the owner for every file under the current directory
[09:28] <kakalto> ah, thanks
[09:28] <kakalto> and chgroup -R <group> for group?
[09:28] <Agrajag> chgrp
[09:28] <kakalto> or not
[09:28] <kakalto> ah
[09:28] <jesuel> err
[09:28] <jesuel> chown -R owner.owner
[09:28] <jesuel> for group
[09:29] <Agrajag> owner.group you mean?
[09:29] <jesuel> err yeah
[09:29] <crimsun> (owner:group to be pedantic)
[09:30] <jesuel> taking 3 years away from myself and linux was bad
[09:30] <jesuel> i feel like i dont know anything anymore /sigh
[09:30] <randabis> hehe
[09:30] <jesuel> i do know some things, but alot has slipped away
[09:31] <jesuel> hrm, must have more beer
[09:34] <iMeXdiAC> randabis jdub .. it seems drag to fonts: places it in ~/.fonts .. but it doesnt show up afterwards in the virtual directory (im looking for the name shown by gnome-font-view ).. though its visible in the choose dialog of the Gnome System Font utility but not visible in xchat (uses a chooser with the contents of the fonts: dir) (placing it manually in /usr/share/fonts had the same effect) ..
[09:35] <randabis> you might have to restart xchat...not sure
[09:35] <jesuel> uhg xchat, seeems so clunky to me
[09:36] <jesuel> gimme text based chat client tyvm
[09:36] <crimsun> irssi-text is where it's at :p
[09:36] <jesuel> yeah
[09:36] <jesuel> thats what im using
[09:36] <jesuel> i like it
[09:36] <iMeXdiAC> hmm .. my xchat is dl atm :) ..
[09:36] <crimsun> screen irssi-text, to be precise
[09:37] <kakalto>  YAY
[09:37] <kakalto> okay, next thing...
[09:37] <jesuel> i keep that and my email client screened
[09:37] <kakalto> is it possible to have my whole media library under rhythmbox based on an ntfs partition?
[09:38] <HrdwrBoB> kakalto: yes
[09:38] <randabis> should be able to
[09:38] <HrdwrBoB> kakalto: but you can't write to it
[09:38] <kakalto> I just have to chmod it right?
[09:38] <kakalto> yeah
[09:38] <kakalto> I don't need to
[09:38] <kakalto> I just have ALL of my media on my ntfs drive
[09:38] <kakalto> and I only have about 5gb on my linux partition
[09:38] <randabis> I was in that boat once :/
[09:39] <jesuel> as was i, ive fixed that now
[09:39] <kakalto> sadly, I wasn't expecting to do all of my media watching under linux
[09:39] <HrdwrBoB> most of my media is currently on removable drives on fat32
[09:39] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[09:39] <kakalto> so I made my win partition about 139gb
[09:39] <randabis> I'm reiserFS on both drives
[09:40] <kakalto> I was told not to use reiserFS, unstable or somethign
[09:40] <jesuel> 4 120 gig drives, almost full of mp3's /grin
[09:40] <randabis> they might have meant reiser4
[09:40] <kakalto> mp3s?!!
[09:40] <jesuel> yeah
[09:40] <jatos> Hi All
[09:40] <kakalto> not avi's, mp4s, other vid files?!
[09:40] <jesuel> no
[09:40] <randabis> space adds up quick when you're ripping music from streaming radio stations :p
[09:40] <jesuel> those are on 2 200's
[09:40] <kakalto> over 400,000 mins of music!?!
[09:41] <jesuel> id guess somewhere around that
[09:41] <jesuel> most of them are encoded @ 160
[09:41] <randabis> The streams I'm ripping are 192 or better :)
[09:41] <jesuel> i only have one thats higher than 160
[09:41] <kakalto> I don't do internet radio, I have a 2gb cap :(
[09:41] <jesuel> its @ 320
[09:42] <jesuel> hah
[09:42] <jesuel> i have 0 cap
[09:42] <jesuel> muah!
[09:42] <kakalto> man it sucks
[09:42] <randabis> no cap here either :p
[09:42] <kakalto> but I'm not the one paying, so I can't complain, plus I'd rather be on 256k than 56k
[09:42] <randabis> I think I've ripped over a gig in the last couple of hours
[09:42] <jesuel> 6mbit download/ 768 upload. I use what i need / want
[09:43] <kakalto> I'm in a smaller country, where it's probably not even possible to get those speeds yet :(
[09:43] <randabis> Highest I've seen mine do is 3mbit down :/ roadrunner
[09:43] <jesuel> it is kakalto
[09:43] <jesuel> paradise.net.nz
[09:43] <kakalto> how much!?
[09:43] <jesuel> when i was in christchurch on vacation i used their service
[09:43] <jesuel> i dunno
[09:43] <kakalto> wow
[09:43] <jesuel> my friend's connection
[09:44] <jesuel> except she wont move to the states :(
[09:44] <kakalto> although it's probably not available in my area
[09:44] <jesuel> i wish she would
[09:44] <jesuel> ahh my little kiwi :)
[09:44] <jesuel> sigh, the internet is ebil ;p
[09:46] <jesuel> uhg, almost out of beer
[09:47] <home66> good morning everybody from the south of france
[09:48] <broodster> how do i install the ati drivers for amd64
[09:48] <home66> i installed ubuntu yesterday on one of my boxes & was wondering how can i attribute myself a root password,i know that i can go directly to the root terminal but i would like something more secure with a password,which means  su -
[09:49] <home66> or did i miss something during the instllation
[09:49] <jesuel> ubuntu, is actually designed to let u use sudo for your root activities
[09:49] <broodster> how do i install the ati drivers for amd64 ???????
[09:50] <jesuel> you can boot single mode and set a password for root though
[09:50] <home66> well when i boot ,i go in as a user
[09:51] <jesuel> right, when i say boot single mode, i mean as in single user mode
[09:51] <home66> & i wanted a root su - password
[09:51] <home66> through a bash shell for exmp
[09:53] <jesuel> home66: read http://ubuntuguide.org/#gainrootinstallcd
[09:53] <home66> ok,i am new to linux thanks
[09:53] <jesuel> not a problem
[09:54] <randabis> here's a good question..
[09:54] <broodster> hmm
[09:54] <broodster> do u guys hear me?
[09:54] <randabis> how can I chmod all files and directories within one directory? including the directories and files within those directories?
[09:54] <broodster> how do i install the ati drivers for amd64 ???????
[09:54] <poningru> broodster: which ati?
[09:55] <broodster> radeon
[09:55] <broodster> 9550
[09:55] <jesuel> randabis: chmod -R?
[09:55] <randabis> there's an idea... :p
[09:55] <broodster> but for some reason it says i have 9600 o_O
[09:55] <randabis> I'm rtfm right now anyway
[09:56] <jesuel> rtfm is safer :)
[09:56] <broodster> says that on windows too
[09:56] <broodster> lol
[09:56] <jesuel> than listening to me
[09:56] <jesuel> im buzzing pretty good now
[09:57] <randabis> -R should do the trick :)
[09:57] <swim> hay randabis sorry did you respond when I asked what the name of the repo was so that I could add it to my source.lst and get win32 codecs?
[09:58] <randabis> yeah I said check ubuntuguide because I don't know the url
[09:58] <swim> ah thats right ok
[09:58] <berkes> folks; I;m running ubuntu on my toshiba satellite; and am experiencing probs with my graphics.
[09:58] <randabis> man it's great having a terminal that will do tabs :)
[09:58] <broodster> poningru...?
[09:59] <swim> randabis, yah what are you using?
[09:59] <poningru> heh still looking for that link
[09:59] <randabis> I'm using Terminal
[09:59] <berkes> ive got the feeling its an X-problem.
[09:59] <swim> randabis, xfce4?
[09:59] <poningru> I think it said something like these are the ones that will work or something
[09:59] <randabis> yeah, I'm running it within gnome though
[09:59] <poningru> and it listed a bunch of ati cards
[09:59] <berkes> tried both fedora core2 and mandrake/ they gave me no trouble.
[09:59] <poningru> so let me find that link
[10:00] <randabis> and xfce 4.2 actually :p
[10:00] <swim> randabis, gnomes default terminal does tabs too but it doesnt have a convinent new tab button
[10:00] <broodster> okay, i needthe one for 9600 i believe
[10:00] <randabis> yeah
[10:00] <berkes> I;ve searched with google and on the ubuntu site, but found no hints
[10:00] <randabis> I knew that, but I like Terminal better anyway
[10:00] <swim> how come?
[10:00] <randabis> it does transparency and other things easier
[10:00] <swim> ah
[10:01] <jesuel> heh
[10:01] <jesuel> so you can make it pretty
[10:01] <berkes> anyone who has seen this before:
[10:01] <berkes> on the bottom of my screen about 1CM is normal; then 2CM is scambled, then the rest is normal
[10:03] <broodster> http://ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux64.html?type=64linux&prodType=graphic&prod=products64LINUXdriver&submit.x=12&submit.y=12&submit=GO%21
[10:04] <poningru> broodster: cant find the link anywhere
[10:04] <broodster> http://ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux64.html?type=64linux&prodType=graphic&prod=products64LINUXdriver&submit.x=12&submit.y=12&submit=GO%21
[10:04] <broodster> here
[10:04] <poningru> oh
[10:04] <broodster> it's an rpm
[10:04] <poningru> heh use alien
[10:04] <broodster> so i need to use alien right?
[10:04] <broodster> yah
[10:04] <broodster> how do i use alien
[10:05] <poningru> man alien
[10:05] <broodster> ?
[10:06] <randabis> uh...both warty and hoary have the fglrx drivers broodster, for what reason are you getting them from ati?
[10:06] <poningru> alien --to-deb package.rpm
[10:06] <broodster> because i dont know where to get them
[10:06] <broodster> tried to look for them on the repostries... no luck
[10:06] <randabis> you can get them within synaptic
[10:07] <HrdwrBoB> don't use those
[10:07] <HrdwrBoB> randabis is right
[10:07] <aCilnv> hi all , might sound stupid .. but flame me anyways : just upgraded to hoary - and the gdm didn't want to come up.. i changed the nvidia driver in xf86config to nv .. and it works fine. Here's my 2 questions : 1.) Does the xf86config fix mean i'm still running xfree86 ?? how do i see if xorg is running ?? nothing in ps -aux. 2) How do i get the nvidia driver working again ?? Must is remove and reinstall nvidia packages ?
[10:07] <broodster> could someone give me a new source.lst
[10:07] <HrdwrBoB> go to http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:07] <broodster> i think mine is simply outdated
[10:08] <randabis> if it is the default sources.list is isn't outdated...you might have to uncomment some lines, but that's it
[10:08] <kakalto> which chmod number is for the owner? the first?
[10:08] <broodster> yah
[10:08] <broodster> but i mean
[10:08] <kakalto> and does 6 make it non-write, but read & executre?
[10:08] <randabis> read man chmod :p
[10:08] <broodster> whever i update
[10:08] <broodster> it gives me like 20 different things
[10:08] <broodster> which failed
[10:08] <randabis> yes
[10:08] <randabis> eww
[10:08] <aCilnv> HrdwrBob .. if u're talking to me .. i got the binary nvidia to work on warty .. it's after the haory dist upgrade that i'm stuffed
[10:08] <kakalto> I read chmod; I tend to easily miss the informaion I need
[10:09] <broodster> so can someone just send me their source.lst and save me
[10:09] <randabis> rinse and repeat? :p
[10:09] <HrdwrBoB> aCilnv: I was talkint to broodster, what is the problem
[10:09] <randabis> broodster what ubuntu are you running? warty or hoary?
[10:09] <swim> crap marillat isnt working for me... wont update
[10:09] <randabis> I can't give you mine if you use warty...I run hoary
[10:10] <swim> so do I
[10:10] <swim> oh nm
[10:10] <aCilnv> ahh .. sorry hwdwrBob .. ;)
[10:10] <broodster> thanks acilv
[10:10] <broodster> aCilnv **
[10:10] <randabis> aCilnv, maybe your dist-upgrade didn't finish all the way
[10:10] <randabis> you DID answer YES to all the questions right?
[10:11] <berkes> my driver is a trident: i suppose its not an ATI chipset?
[10:11] <HrdwrBoB> berkes: no, it's not
[10:11] <randabis> yeah trident is not ati
[10:11] <aCilnv> it went fine .. only prob was in OOo .. but that's a ignore ..
[10:11] <randabis> I think the trident driver is "trident"
[10:11] <randabis> aCilnv do another dist-upgrade to make sure
[10:11] <aCilnv> oki .. will do ..
[10:11] <berkes> yes: randabis: i have that set.
[10:11] <aCilnv> see ya all on the other side of a dist upgrade
[10:12] <randabis> shouldn't take long
[10:12] <broodster> randabis how do i check?
[10:12] <broodster> what dist im using?
[10:13] <home66> quite impressed with the ubuntu distro,i've been using fc since it came out & now i installed ubuntu on another box & think that is really fast,could say also faster than suse which i tried
[10:13] <randabis> check /etc/lsb_release
[10:13] <randabis> that was for you broodster
[10:13] <aCilnv> eeek .. just did a dist-upgrade .. installed 2 packages .. NO xorg related.
[10:13] <randabis> hmm
[10:13] <broodster> i dont have a lsb_release =[
[10:14] <aCilnv> i remember that i had to choose which X i wanted to use .. and i picked xorg ..
[10:14] <randabis> aCilnv, do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[10:14] <randabis> broodster, you are probably using warty then
[10:15] <aCilnv> yes .. but in xorg - the driver is set to nvidia .. and in xf86config-4 . i changed it to nv .. to get x up after dist-upgrade
[10:15] <broodster> oh nm
[10:15] <broodster> im using warty
[10:15] <broodster> what should i be using?
[10:15] <randabis> broodster, go to www.ubuntuguide.org and copy the sources.list from there
[10:16] <randabis> aCilnv have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[10:16] <broodster> ok
[10:16] <aCilnv> oki .. will do that .. tx randabis
[10:17] <broodster> how come none of the nerim.net ones work?
[10:18] <crimsun> broodster: how don't they work?
[10:18] <crimsun> broodster: what are you trying to install?
[10:18] <randabis> he wants the ati drivers
[10:19] <randabis> and he said his apt-get update kept failing repeatedly, so I suggested trying the sources.list on ubuntuguide
[10:19] <broodster> they just give me an error all the time
[10:20] <broodster> when i load up the synaptic gui
[10:20] <aCilnv> eeek .. just had to install package xserver-xorg manually .. it removed xserver-xfree86 . Anything else i need to install 4 xorg .. before i go to the extreme suicidal move of rebooting X ? :)
[10:20] <crimsun> aCilnv: make sure you have 'xorg-common' installed
[10:21] <kakalto> is it easy to get chatzilla for firefox?
[10:21] <kakalto> do I just sudo apt-get install firefox-chatzilla or something
[10:21] <aCilnv> funny enough i had xorg-common installed .. but not xserver-xorg .. ??? Very strange !
[10:21] <broodster> i still cant find the ati drivers...
[10:22] <aCilnv> see ya all on the otherside of a hopefully xorg reboot !
[10:22] <crimsun> kakalto: enable universe and install 'mozilla-chatzilla' if you want chatzilla
[10:22] <broodster> for amd64
[10:22] <kakalto> enable universe?
[10:22] <DragoraN> hi
[10:22] <kakalto> you mean repository?
[10:23] <DragoraN> i wanted to see how order of CD is working and it ordered cd... iam now confused.. i will pay it? how much?
[10:23] <crimsun> kakalto: yes. Note that chatzilla's not part of mozilla-firefox but a component of mozilla
[10:23] <broodster> yah
[10:23] <crimsun> DragoraN: they're free.
[10:23] <kakalto> crimsun; how do I get it to work under firefox?
[10:23] <DragoraN> crimsun: oh.. thx :)
[10:23] <crimsun> kakalto: search if there's a chatzilla extension to mozilla-firefox
[10:23] <DragoraN> whats the base distribution os ubuntu?
[10:23] <DragoraN> os=of..
[10:23] <crimsun> DragoraN: debian sarge/sid
[10:24] <broodster> im going nuts
[10:24] <DragoraN> crimsun: ho it has apt tools?
[10:24] <broodster> how do i install the ati drivers for ubuntu
[10:24] <crimsun> DragoraN: enhanced, yes
[10:24] <crimsun> broodster: are you running warty?
[10:24] <broodster> can someone just tell me if i can or not
[10:24] <DragoraN> crimsun: cool :) thx..
[10:24] <broodster> yes
[10:24] <broodster> crimsun
[10:24] <crimsun> broodster: you can if you're running either warty or hoary, but it's much easier if you run hoary
[10:24] <Get> Hi! I looks like my firefox doesn't support the verdana font, how to fix that?
[10:24] <broodster> is hoary newer?
[10:24] <DragoraN> crimsun: is there something like package list on website? or repository?
[10:25] <crimsun> broodster: hoary is still in development and will be released as the stable release in march/april
[10:25] <crimsun> DragoraN: archive.ubuntu.com
[10:25] <broodster> okay
[10:25] <DragoraN> thx
[10:25] <broodster> well how do i install it for warty?
[10:26] <crimsun> broodster: if you're certain you want to, follow the breakmyubuntu instructions on the wiki
[10:26] <DragoraN> crimsun: many directories there :)
[10:26] <broodster> does it have the amd64 instuctions?
[10:26] <crimsun> broodster: amd64 is just as applicable; the instructions do not depend on a specific architecture
[10:27] <DragoraN> what is hoary?
[10:27] <broodster> can i have a link?
[10:27] <aCilnv> hi again .. did the reboot .. the problem now is x.org's complaining that the NVIDIA module in the kernel is version 1.0.611 .. and the x module is version 1.0.66.22 - any idea how to fix this ?
[10:27] <crimsun> broodster: search the wiki :)
[10:27] <DragoraN> ahaa... warty is stable, hoary is next planning release?
[10:28] <crimsun> aCilnv: did you upgrade linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r), too?
[10:28] <Get> DragoraN: correct
[10:28] <DragoraN> Get: :)
[10:28] <DragoraN> Get: so, download hoary?
[10:29] <Get> DragoraN: no, I use warty
[10:29] <crimsun> DragoraN: if you would like to help test and can stomach breakage, then try hoary.
[10:29] <crimsun> DragoraN: otherwise, try warty.
[10:29] <DragoraN> :) ok..
[10:30] <broodster> cant find anything
[10:30] <broodster> that related to ati on the wiki...
[10:30] <shibby12122005> hey
[10:31] <randabis> wiki has a search tool
[10:34] <DragoraN> crimsun: but... list of packages.. archive.ubuntu.org is not what i wanted..
[10:34] <crimsun> DragoraN: try looking on the wiki.
[10:34] <DragoraN> ok
[10:35] <Get> When horay is released, do I need to reinstall then?
[10:35] <berkes> I followed a part of the discussion earlier about installing x.org: but my synaptic does not list the packages;
[10:35] <berkes> any idea what repos. I need?
[10:35] <broodster> broodster@broodster:~ $ sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver
[10:35] <broodster> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:35] <broodster> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:35] <broodster> E: Couldn't find package fglrx-driver
[10:35] <broodster> sigh this is depressing
[10:38] <bob2> read thw howto, dude
[10:38] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:38] <broodster> yah
[10:38] <broodster> i read that
[10:38] <broodster> and thats what i got.
[10:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i go about installing a module from source?
[10:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't even know whether i need the kernel source.
[10:40] <bob2> broodster: read it again...
[10:40] <bob2> or maybe you're using hoary and it hasn't been updated
[10:40] <broodster> it doesnt even include the amd64 instructions
[10:40] <HappyFool> BROKEN_LADDER: i needed linux-headers-2.6.8.1-4-386 to build a module for my system
[10:40] <broodster> no
[10:40] <broodster> im using warty
[10:41] <njs12345> is it me or is gnome.org?
[10:41] <njs12345> *gnome.org down
[10:41] <broodster> its down
[10:41] <DragoraN> in ubuntu is just gnome?
[10:42] <broodster> no
[10:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> does nautilus implement a virtual file system when it mounts things over the network?
[10:42] <njs12345> BROKEN_LADDER: there is gnome-vfs
[10:42] <broodster> ok
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> can i use that to mount an ssh connection?
[10:43] <broodster> maybe i'll use linux in 5 years time
[10:43] <broodster> and maybe i wont have to spend 3243275493275437534 hours installing a god damn driver
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> but you'll be using an os that sucks.
[10:43] <njs12345> BROKEN_LADDER: I just tried the location "ssh://" and I got this warning:
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> methinks that the mac mini is the nail in the coffin for windows at home.
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's sftp
[10:44] <njs12345> oh
[10:44] <njs12345> sftp I'm fairly sure it supports :-] 
[10:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can see an sftp location in gnome just fine; but if i try to open anything in it, the app won't be able to handle it.
[10:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> but i'm asking whether it sets up a virtual file system, so that i can make apps access and write to those files as if they were local.
[10:45] <njs12345> oh
[10:45] <njs12345> no, I don't think it doesn't
[10:45] <njs12345> if more apps used gnome-vfs then it would, but sadly a lot of them don't atm
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> jesus, ubuntu didn't even install the right kernel on my system.
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's 385 and should be 686
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> 386 rather
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> what does ubuntu use for /etc/skel?
[10:47] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: ubuntu installs the lowest common denominator.
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> like when users are created they have a default desktop background image and such..
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> so it has a 686 kernel that it will never install?
[10:48] <kakalto> in the default ubuntu installation, it includes a special version of firefox, not your average firefox, doesn't it?
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> special?
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's old.  i dunno whether that means "special".
[10:48] <kakalto> 'cause I'm having problems installing plugins, and I can't update from 0.9.3 to 1.0
[10:48] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: the target user doesn't care what kernel (s)he has.
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> you can't update?  why not?
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> target?
[10:48] <njs12345> BROKEN_LADDER: easy enough to fix
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> wtf is that nonsense
[10:49] <njs12345> apt-get install linux-686
[10:49] <kakalto> plus, if you go into "Help" to "About", it says something about ubuntu
[10:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> the target user probably wants a program that takes advantage of proc optimaziations.
[10:49] <njs12345> would your grandmother give a damn about 386 or 686 kernels?
[10:49] <DragoraN> that kernel is in warthy release?
[10:49] <DragoraN> that=what
[10:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> we all want fast
[10:49] <njs12345> oh please
[10:49] <kakalto> BROKEN_LADDER, under firefox, it says "there's no new updates"
[10:49] <DragoraN> what kernel is in warthy release?
[10:49] <njs12345> this isn't gentoo
[10:49] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: if the user cares enough to install another kernel, (s)he will do so
[10:49] <kakalto> and foxytunes won't install
[10:49] <crimsun> DragoraN: 2.6.8.1
[10:49] <njs12345> 686 to 386 probably gives a 2% performance increase
[10:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: search debian packages and use the "unstable" version.
[10:49] <crimsun> DragoraN: heavily patched.
[10:49] <DragoraN> ok
[10:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: that defeats the whole point of user friendliness.
[10:50] <kakalto> BROKEN_LADDER, I have much idea how.
[10:50] <njs12345> that's the point
[10:50] <kakalto> synaptic?
[10:50] <kakalto> then look for firefox?
[10:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: much idea?
[10:50] <njs12345> no-one cares whether they have a 386 or 686 kernel
[10:50] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: the point of user friendlines not to have to fiddle with system programs.
[10:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> njs12345: everyone cares.
[10:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> njs12345: ask any user whether he would take a faster program over a slower one.
[10:50] <kakalto> synaptic, look for mozilla-firefox, and see if there's updates?
[10:50] <njs12345> it's about 2% performance increase
[10:50] <kakalto> BROKEN_LADDER: ^?
[10:51] <njs12345> and kernels are LARGE
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: in your search bar in your current firefox, there should be a "debian" search tool.
[10:51] <njs12345> like 20mb
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> it will search debian packages.
[10:51] <crimsun> kakalto: do NOT install mozilla-firefox from sid.
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> just use it if you like and search for firefox.
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is sid?
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> like the bassist for sex pistols?
[10:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> njs12345: a 2% performance increase is a lot.
[10:51] <kakalto> BROKEN_LADDER, so search for foxytunes or firefox unstable?
[10:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto:  just search for firefox.
[10:52] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/unstable/
[10:52] <njs12345> not for people whose main activity on their PC is mail or IM or internet
[10:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all&keywords=firefox&sourceid=mozilla-search
[10:52] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you are not the typical desktop user.
[10:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: any desktop user would take a speed increase.
[10:53] <cavediver> Hi ! Is there a way to install firefox and thunderbird 1.0 in Warty AMD64 ?
[10:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: the point of an intelligent installer would be to install the best kernel right?
[10:53] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: any user who cares enough to want a _kernel_ will install it herself/himself
[10:53] <njs12345> cavediver: there's a backports problem
[10:53] <njs12345> *project
[10:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> why are so many people who run such a great linux distro so willfully stubborn about these things?
[10:53] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: no, you're the one who is stubborn
[10:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: that's a sorry excuse for not having the installer install the best kernel.
[10:53] <kakalto> what on earth is the difference between "unstable", "development", and "experimental"?
[10:53] <njs12345> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[10:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm stubborn about logic.
[10:53] <cavediver> njs12345: yes, i've tried that server but it can't download any packages. I guess it's was because i'm running AMD64 version
[10:53] <kakalto> I thought they were synonyms!
[10:54] <njs12345> a kernel takes 20mb on the CD
[10:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: it means stuff the ubuntu maintainers don't trust yet cause it's too new for them.
[10:54] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you absolutely _refuse_ to see that you do not fall into the typical desktop user [note: not power user] 
[10:54] <kakalto> BROKEN_LADDER, which one?
[10:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> i never said i'm typical.
[10:54] <kakalto> or all three?
[10:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: it will say a version number.  use like 1.x
[10:54] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: then why assume what _you_ want is what the typical user will want?
[10:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> the point is, even for an atypical user, there's no reason to give him a non-optimal kernel.  for the love of god.
[10:54] <kakalto> I'll assume I have everything the unstable version depends on?
[10:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> ANY user would take a speed increase, all other things being equal.
[10:55] <randabis> the benefits of the optimizations are trivial
[10:55] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: then have fun ironing out the cpus that report a family but are missing instructions.
[10:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> assuming it meant no additional work on his part.
[10:55] <crimsun> remember the installer's goal is to get a _WORKING_ system installed, not an _OPTIMISED_ system.
[10:55] <spiral> hi
[10:55] <njs12345> the thing is, kernels are big, like I said before.. so they'd really need to be fetched from the internet
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: if the 686 kernel doesn't work, why is it in the packages?
[10:56] <randabis> it DOES work...
[10:56] <njs12345> yes, it does
[10:56] <njs12345> I run it now
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> njs12345: so the 686 kernel is markedly larger than the 386?
[10:56] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: ...why do you think 386 is installed by default?
[10:56] <njs12345> no
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> randabis then why didn't ubuntu install it on my system instead of the 386?
[10:56] <njs12345> but you'd need to have both on the CD if you didn't want to piss people off
[10:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: because the installer is stupid.
[10:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> njs12345: you mean the 386 one is the only one on the CD?
[10:57] <HappyFool> BROKEN_LADDER: conservative design. it is a good principle.
[10:57] <njs12345> yes
[10:57] <randabis> the installer's goal is to get your system up and running, not to optimize it
[10:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> sheesh, why didn't you guys just say that before?
[10:57] <randabis> uh crimsun DID say that
 remember the installer's goal is to get a _WORKING_ system installed, not an _OPTIMISED_ system.
[10:58] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: repeat after me: a working system comes before an optimised system.
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> he was talking about ironing out proc bugs.
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> i totally agree with that crimsun.
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> you seem to be very confused.
[10:58] <kakalto> BROKEN_LADDER, once I have downloaded that unstable firefox deb package, do I just run it?
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: well, you install it.
[10:58] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: _I_ am confused?
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> dpkg -i blah.deb
[10:58] <klaym> for a Pentium 3 650mhz, which is better: 386 or 686 kernel?
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: yes.  horribly
[10:58] <randabis> why are you installing firefox from a debian repository?
[10:59] <randabis> why not just get the backport?
[10:59] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: praytell, about what?
[10:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: i never said that one should take a buggy but "faster" kernel over a stable but slower one.  i said that if all other things are equal, it would be illogical to install the slower one.
[10:59] <crimsun> randabis: the danger of using ubuntu-bp is that they are versioned incorrectly and will cause massive headaches for users upgrading from warty to hoary.
[10:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> in this case, the only reason not to is the size of what can fit on the CD.
[10:59] <kakalto> randabis: backport?
[10:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> but instead of taking that logical argument, you talked about ironing out bugs.
[10:59] <randabis> crimsun, oh! I see :(
[11:00] <randabis> I would say that is jdong's fault?
[11:00] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: but of course you realise that all things are _not_ equal
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> in terms of size of what can fit on a CD, no.
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> but that's not what you argued.
[11:00] <klaym> peace out people, humanity to others!
[11:00] <randabis> kakalto, in light of what crimsun just said, I wouldn't use the backport
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[11:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> my roomie named is ipod "ubuntu".
[11:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> we say "ubuntu" about everything.
[11:01] <randabis> do what you were doing before :/
[11:01] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: correctness _always_ comes prior to speed.
[11:01] <kakalto> what on earth is a backport?
[11:01] <HappyFool> its a time-machine
[11:01] <aCilnv> hi again .. sorry to be back again .. but .. NVIDIA is still not happy under hoary .. when x boot's .. it's blackscreen .. then complaints about the GLCore modules not being found .. and fonts paths .. all this after a dist-upgrade to hoary .. any ideas ?
[11:01] <randabis> klaym use the 686 kernel I suppose
[11:01] <njs12345> kaklalto: a package that is normally only in hoary, but some dude has released a package for warty
[11:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> i use a thickly accented african voice and explain, "ubuntu means buying cheap drugs and selling dem one dee street foa veddy moch moneh
[11:01] <kakalto> and should I be downloading the unstable version of firefox, or not?
[11:01] <cavediver> Err http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net warty-backports/main Packages
[11:01] <cavediver>   404 Not Found
[11:01] <njs12345> no
[11:01] <cavediver> Anyone get that message?
[11:01] <kakalto> since I'm having problems with an extension: foxytunes
[11:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: there's nothing incorrect about the 686 kernel.
[11:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's just that cd's can only hold so much data.
[11:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is foxytunes?
[11:02] <njs12345> of you really need it, then you can get it from either backports or hoary
[11:02] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: on a 386 or a 486 or a 586-class cpu? you bet your arse there's something wrong about it.
[11:02] <klaym> actually I have an install cd for x86 -computers, so that would be good anyway?
[11:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: i don't have such a cpu.
[11:03] <randabis> well in light of what crimsun said about backports, I'd advise not using it unless you're prepared to go a lot of fixing
[11:03] <kakalto> so should I be downloading the unstable version of firefox, or not?
[11:03] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: we're not talking about _you_, are we?
[11:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: absolutely.
[11:03] <kakalto> does the version on the mozilla homepage work?
[11:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: yes we are.
[11:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: i used the installer and it gave me a version that is not optimized for MY processor.
[11:03] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: if we're talking about you, then this discussion is moot, because you can customise the installer for YOU.
[11:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> MY processor, which it could DETECT.
[11:03] <randabis> this isn't gentoo...
[11:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> the installer can't tell what cpu i have?
[11:04] <kakalto> I wish gentoo had everythign working like ubuntu did
[11:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> if there had been any dialog asking what cpu i have, i would have answered correctly.
[11:04] <njs12345> yes, but your average Joe might not have
[11:04] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: and if you answered incorrectly? say a k7?
[11:04] <njs12345> and that's who Ubuntu is mainly aimed at (and it generally does a very good job as well)
[11:04] <randabis> if you really wanted a different kernel at the install, I suppose you could have used the expert install and picked the packages you wanted in aptitude
[11:05] <kakalto> gentoo was cool, but... sound didn't work, neither did the scroll button, and I had kde, not gnome (which could be justified)
[11:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> njs12345: the installer should detect it.
[11:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> in any case..on to more important issues.\
[11:06] <kakalto> >:(
[11:06] <kakalto> BROKEN_LADDER
[11:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> what?
[11:07] <kakalto> why did you tell me that I already had all requirements?
[11:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> kde is terrible
[11:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: i didn't.
[11:07] <kakalto> "dependency problems"
[11:07] <klaym> how is kde terrible?
[11:07] <kakalto> yes you did
[11:07] <kakalto> I asked you
[11:07] <kakalto> kde is terrible.
[11:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: i said you should use it, not that you had the dependencies.
[11:08] <kakalto> I asked a question somewhere...
[11:08] <kakalto> let me find it
[11:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> kde's look and feel and everything about it is like some kind of windows nightmare.
[11:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's atrocious.
[11:08] <cavediver> Is it just me getting error message when using backport apt-entry in Warty AMD64 ?
[11:08] <crimsun> cavediver: no, and njs12345 even said as much.
[11:08] <klaym> KDE reminds me more of MacOS, which is fine
[11:08] <cavediver> Oh must have missed that
[11:08] <crimsun> please, please read before just wandering off and shooting in the dark.
[11:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: if there are dependency prodblems, just install the dependencies.
[11:09] <kakalto> with apt-get?
[11:09] <kakalto> or the deb search
[11:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> gnome reminds me much much much more of osx than kde.  kde is the polar opposite of osx.
[11:09] <njs12345> I don't like KDE, but if you do that's fine
[11:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> well, kde and osx both have this awkward bloated feel.
[11:09] <crimsun> kakalto: let me reiterate: installing from external repositories can be hazardous.
[11:09] <kakalto> I like the look of fluxbox, but it doesn't come default with ubuntu :(
[11:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> fluxbox is awesome.
[11:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> especially with the minimal theme.
[11:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> it should come with ubuntu.
[11:10] <crimsun> then step up and maintain it.
[11:10] <kakalto> crimsun; if I uninstall my current version of firefox, and (attempt) to install the version that's on www.getfirefox.com then will I have any problems?
[11:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: of course the nice thing about package management is that you can always revert.
[11:11] <crimsun> kakalto: you may. If you wish to stick with package management, you may as well dist-upgrade to Hoary.
[11:11] <klaym> I don't especially like KDE, but I'm about to change from Suse to Ubuntu, and want some encourage ;)
[11:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto: you mean from source?
[11:11] <kakalto> probably not
[11:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: if i run dist-upgrade right now, will it go to hoary?
[11:11] <kakalto> likely binary
[11:11] <hth> broken_ladder: since you are only complaining: why aren't you just using another distribution? Caution: rethorical question: don't bother to answer
[11:11] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: right this instant? no, because you haven't adjusted your repo list.
[11:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> i was using slackware.
[11:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> i see.
[11:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> how stable is hoary?
[11:12] <crimsun> "It's in development." 'nuff said.
[11:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> nth i wasn't complaining.
[11:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> you misunderstood.
[11:12] <kakalto> and how large is it, if I go "dist-upgrade"?
[11:12] <Demitar> If it breaks you get to keep both pieces. :)
[11:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> nth i understand that, because of size limitations on a cd, the default kernel was installed.
[11:12] <crimsun> nearly 700 MB of upgrades.
[11:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> wow.
[11:13] <njs12345> I don't have problems with it, but you might
[11:13] <kakalto> stuff that
[11:13] <kakalto> is hoary getting shipped out with Shipit just like warty was?
[11:13] <crimsun> what did you expect? it's virtually an entirely new version.
[11:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> how does one go about adjusting the repo list to upgrade to hoary?
[11:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> i want to be a hoar.
[11:13] <crimsun> kakalto: yes, see the notice on the home page regarding ordering dates.
[11:13] <kakalto> my computer wants to be hoary but I don't let it
[11:14] <randabis> I like my hoary :)
[11:14] <kakalto> if I signed up for warty, I don't need to sign up again for hoary, do I?
[11:15] <BROKEN_LADDER>  It is very easy to upgrade to 'Hoary': just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list configuration file to replace all instances of 'warty' with 'hoary'.
[11:15] <njs12345> even
[11:15] <kakalto> BROKEN_LADDER, not quite the same...
[11:15] <njs12345> sudo perl -pi -e 's/warty/hoary/' /etc/apt/sources.list; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:16] <crimsun> kakalto: if you want hoary cds, you must sign up for them.
[11:16] <kakalto> do I have to, if I have signed up for warty, though?
[11:16] <kakalto> is it releasly, or sign-up every time?
[11:17] <kakalto> *releasly = per release
[11:17] <RobbieB> Does anybody here have a copy of the kernel 2.6.8.1 sources installed?
[11:18] <Suva> I made a patch for cheesetracker
[11:18] <Suva> I wonder if anyone want's this? :P
[11:18] <crimsun> RobbieB: linux-source-2.6.8.1?
[11:18] <RobbieB> yes
[11:18] <RobbieB> do you have it?
[11:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> Need to get 486MB of archives.
[11:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> After unpacking 183MB of additional disk space will be used
[11:19] <njs12345> RobbieB: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.8.1.tar.bz2
[11:19] <randabis> BROKEN_LADDER, be sure to answer YES to anything it asks you
[11:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> i've noticed that the anti-aliasing in X is better than on any other system.
[11:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> can't i make it not ask me things so i can go to bed?
[11:19] <RobbieB> Yes, I have a problem with those sources and was wondering if someone can check something for me
[11:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> yes yes..bill my credit card, yes crack nsa computers, it's fine, lemme sleep.
[11:20] <crimsun> RobbieB: upstream 2.6.8.1 != Ubuntu's 2.6.8.1
[11:20] <randabis> probably...not sure how
[11:20] <RobbieB> I have the Ubuntu 2.6.8.1 sources
[11:20] <randabis> but some parts of the dist-upgrade will not continue until you answer the question it asks
[11:20] <abelli> where can i find eclipse for warty?
[11:20] <njs12345> that's the setup part though
[11:21] <njs12345> so you ought to be able to just leave it up
[11:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> i still don't understand where new users get their desktop settings like background image and theme in ubuntu.
[11:21] <Demitar> apt-get -y
[11:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not in /etc/skel so wtf
[11:21] <swim> hay, whats the meaning of life?  ... no um what is synaptic built with gtk 1.0 ?
[11:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> Demitar: oh..handy.
[11:21] <swim> can I theme such apps as synaptics?
[11:21] <RobbieB> I am missing the /drivers/net/wireless/net80211 sources, they are not in the source package
[11:21] <Demitar> I don't recall if that's the dangerous version though. :)
[11:21] <RobbieB> Anyone else see this as well?
[11:21] <crimsun> swim: 2.4
[11:22] <Demitar> No, --force-yes is the dangerous version.
[11:22] <swim> crimsun, is it themable? Ive noticed a few apps not following gnome theme (non qt apps as well)
[11:22] <crimsun> swim: I've never tried.
[11:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> no one ever seems to be able to answer the basic question, where is the /skel in ubuntu?
[11:23] <randabis> you need to install KDE if you want to change the look and feel of QT apps iirc
[11:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> frustrating
[11:23] <spockster> is there a definitive guide availible to installing a ma111 usb adapter?
[11:24] <swim> randabis, dont need to install all of kde... just whatever is necessary to run some kde apps
[11:24] <[Spooky] > hey hm... whats the command to do root and set a password ?
[11:25] <randabis> sudo passwd root
[11:25] <swim> and I just found a milk for kde so now amarok looks like the rest ;)
[11:25] <Demitar> BROKEN_LADDER, er? You mean /etc/skel?
[11:26] <[Spooky] > randabis: "Sorry try again" i get...
[11:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> yes.
[11:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> where is the equivalent of /etc/skel in ubuntu.
[11:26] <kakalto> how could I update the package "libpng12-0", when the synaptic package manager doesn't think it needs updating, but another file does...
[11:26] <randabis> Spooky you have to enter your USER password first
[11:26] <crimsun> /etc/skel is /etc/skel
[11:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> where are new users getting their default settings from, since /etc/skel only has two files.
[11:26] <Demitar> BROKEN_LADDER, how about, say, /etc/skel?
[11:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> no.
[11:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's not it.
[11:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> /etc/skel has no user settings.
[11:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> new users get this ugly brown wallpaper and theme.
[11:27] <Demitar> BROKEN_LADDER, check /etc/adduser.conf
[11:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> Demitar: you're perhaps the biggest genius in this place.
[11:27] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: that has nothing to do with /etc/skel
[11:27] <Demitar> That's gnome not skel.
[11:27] <[Spooky] > randabis: thanks :)
[11:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's why i asked for "equivalent".
[11:28] <crimsun> /etc/skel's equivalent is /etc/skel
[11:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> all files that a new user has by default should be in /etc/skel.
[11:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> not in ubuntu it's not buddy.
[11:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> did you not see what he just wrote above?
[11:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> adduser.conf
[11:28] <Demitar> Yes, but the defaults in gnome are not installed when you add the user.
[11:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> cause somebody in the project wants to break standards with every other distro.
[11:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> lots of fun!
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> ??
[11:29] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you might actually try reading /etc/adduser.conf
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> don't tell me Demitar.  gnome actually creates them from that file if they don't exist already.
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> horrid horrid things people do sometimes.
[11:29] <crimsun> ok, so you've not read /etc/adduser.conf at all.
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks for being helpful Demitar.
[11:29] <crimsun> that's apparent.
[11:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: i would really like it if you didn't talk to me.
[11:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks.
[11:30] <crimsun> then /ignore me.
[11:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> you seem to support every ignorant thing every developer does.
[11:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> unquestioningly.
[11:30] <zAo^> how can I start egg aMSN and let it start on my 4th workspace ? ($ amsn 0:4 ????)
[11:30] <Demitar> BROKEN_LADDER, remember what we said about being friendly and the code of conduct earlier?
[11:30] <randabis> # The SKEL variable specifies the directory containing "skeletal" user
[11:30] <randabis> # files; in other words, files such as a sample .profile that will be
[11:30] <randabis> # copied to the new user's home directory when it is created.
[11:30] <randabis> SKEL=/etc/skel
[11:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm being friendly.  i asked him nicely not to talk to me.
[11:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> i even said please.
[11:31] <Demitar> If you keep that up pretty soon noone will want to help you.
[11:31] <crimsun> [for the record, he didn't say "please" in that context] 
[11:31] <eli> HELP: ubuntu installation will not boot (first time)
[11:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> Demitar: i thanked you sincerely for the help.
[11:31] <Demitar> He took of his free time and offered his help. The least you can do is to be polite.
[11:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's good to see a helpful person in here.
[11:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> help?  no he just criticized me.
[11:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's rude, and that's about all i see in this place.
[11:32] <njs12345> you're the one coming in here with critical altitude BROKEN_LADDER
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> but seriously, thank you for the adduser.conf thing.  i asked about this for days before you helped me out on that one.
[11:33] <eli> Can anybody make some suggestion on why grub will not boot, after installing for the first time?
[11:33] <Demitar> eli, "will not boot"?
[11:34] <Demitar> As in, no menu or it won't do anything?
[11:34] <eli> Hi Demitar, thanks. Installed from the cd (on top of previous kanotix). First it says graphics file missing, then, grub menu still has kanotix...
[11:35] <RobbieB> eli, where did you install GRUB during installation? In the MBR?
[11:35] <eli> Then, when clicking the top boot option, Error 15 File not found
[11:35] <eli> It did not give me a choice. There was already grub installed there from the previous kanotix
[11:35] <Demitar> Well, it sounds like it reads the menu.lst from the old installation. Most likely reinstalling grub will fix it.
[11:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> actually Demitar i looked in /etc/adduser and i don't see any settings that would cause new users to have their ubunu theme and wallpaper.
[11:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> where are those settings coming from?
[11:36] <eli> Demitar: how to reinstall grub, if I can not boot?
[11:36] <Demitar> BROKEN_LADDER, as we concluded earlier, it won't. The first time you log in as a gnome user gnome will supply those defaults (most likely it doesn't install anything, only uses the defaults).
[11:37] <Demitar> eli, you have too options: 1. emergency disk/cd  2. tell grub to boot off the correct disk (since it has a commandline interface)
[11:37] <Demitar> s/too/two/
[11:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> Demitar: where are those defaults defined?
[11:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> Demitar: that's what i'm looking for.
[11:38] <randabis> hmm...perhaps gnome's defaults can be changed
[11:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> they have to be..
[11:38] <Demitar> BROKEN_LADDER, I suspect it's all gconf /etc/gconf/ ...
[11:38] <eli> Demitar: 1. I do not have the emergency disk, only the original boot disk. 2. I can get to the command line of grub.
[11:38] <eli> Can I just reinstall grub using the installation cd?
[11:39] <randabis> actually you can...
[11:39] <randabis> you can use the installation CD to chroot into your ubuntu
[11:39] <Demitar> eli, original bootdisk would do the trick, yes. But if you're comfortable with computers choosing the kernel with grub might be easier.
[11:39] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas
[11:40] <randabis> there's a description of how to do that on www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:40] <eli> Demitar: I can not find the kernet with the command line interface of grub
[11:40] <eli> (I do not know how to do it...)
[11:40] <mjr> hmh, doesn't gnome-vfs's sftp method know how to ask for a password?
[11:40] <mjr> christ
[11:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> mjr: i'm curious about that gnome-vfs.
[11:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> does that allow me just to see the files in nauilus, or to actually let other apps use them as though they are local files?
[11:41] <Demitar> Well the syntax is something like this: kernel (hd0, 0)/boot/vmlinuz...
[11:41] <randabis> BROKEN_LADDER: /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/schemas (crimsun posted that, not sure if you ignored him)
[11:41] <randabis> to alter gnome's defaults
[11:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> i was about to say thanks to crimsun for that
[11:41] <randabis> ah
[11:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> i saw it.
[11:41] <mjr> BROKEN_LADDER, it allows other gnome-vfs-aware apps to use it
[11:41] <Demitar> And then you need to specify initrd too: initrd (hd0, 0)/boot/initrd...
[11:41] <mjr> hmm, but apparently sftp:// can ask for a password, wonder what's wrong then
[11:41] <eli> Demitar: when I type that I get file not found
[11:42] <Demitar> eli, hd0 specifies which physical disk. , 0 specifies the partition.
[11:42] <Demitar> Then type /boot/ and tab-complete the rest.
[11:42] <mjr> hmm, it must be that the account I was trying to access has sftp-server as shell
[11:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think i'm just going to install the lufs kernel module to be able to mount ssh connections.
[11:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need a way to easily edit my web site.
[11:43] <mjr> BROKEN_LADDER, that is more handy
[11:43] <mjr> and I'm eager for the day there'll be userspace fs support in the default kernel
[11:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah but i'm sure installing the module will be a pain.  i've never insalled a module that wasn't already in the source during a kernel compile.
[11:44] <Mayday> so when i select "custom icon" on something on the desktop it starts to search in /usr/share/pixmaps, is it someway to change the default directory it opens?
[11:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> ack..it's 281 here.  freezing.
[11:44] <eli> Demitar: there is something else, because when I typed boot after selecting the kernel, it said append a coorect root= boot option
[11:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> what exactly do you mean by userspace?
[11:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> i was reading about this lufsmount thing and it was discussing that very issue.
[11:45] <Demitar> eli, ah, yes. root=/dev/hda1 ro (hda1 being the partition and disk you installed it on)
[11:45] <Demitar> After the kernel.
[11:45] <Kakalto> how do I make a symlink?
[11:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> ln -s
[11:45] <Kakalto> command?
[11:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> ln -s target link_path i believe
[11:45] <Kakalto> I'll man it, I just want the command
[11:45] <Demitar> Kakalto, man ln :)
[11:46] <Kakalto> Demitar, BROKEN_LADDER, thanks
[11:46] <Demitar> eli, when you've specified kernel and initrd you type boot to, well, boot. :)
[11:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> i wonder how hard it would be to install linux on one of those mac minis.
[11:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> the hardware looks cool and is abou what a shuttle system would cost.
[11:47] <Suva> BROKEN_LADDER, it's not hard
[11:47] <Suva> It has allready been done
[11:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> you just compile your kernel and there are modules for the sound card and everything?
[11:47] <Suva> But I wouldn't install linux on a Mac system
[11:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's pretty impressive.
[11:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> why not?
[11:48] <Suva> Cause Mac own stuff is better :P
[11:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> ??
[11:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> you have to be kidding me.
[11:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> well, i guess you could install X on it.
[11:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> over osx
[11:48] <eli> Demitar: after typing root=/dev/hda1 ro at the end of the kernel line, I type boot. It displays a few messages, and then says cannot open root device hda1 or unknown block. Should it be hda1 or hda0
[11:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> but the osx gui is terrible.
[11:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> apps' menus are at the top of the screen instead of in their own windows.
[11:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's way bloated.
[11:49] <isaac> what?
[11:49] <isaac> the menubar == bloat?
[11:49] <isaac> hehaha
[11:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> just the interface.
[11:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> is bloated.
[11:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> the menubar is just poorly designed.
[11:50] <Demitar> eli, the same as you specified for where to find the kernel, but hd0 becomes hda and hd1 hdb etc and , 0 becomes hda1 and , 1 becomes hda2
[11:50] <Suva> Well it's still better than Linux :D
[11:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't have a menu bar at the top of my screen in gnome.  i just have app menu, window list, notification icon bar, workspace switcher, date/time..
[11:50] <Kakalto> what do I require for Idd to work?
[11:50] <njs12345> Suva: not for me :P
[11:50] <Demitar> (hd0, 0) -> /dev/hda1 ; (hd3, 6) -> /dev/hdd7
[11:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> better than linux?
[11:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> the gnome gui is sooooo much better than osx's.
[11:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> faster, more customizable, more intuitive.
[11:51] <gurrio> hi
[11:51] <njs12345> no-one knows whether it's better than linux because it's proprietrary
[11:51] <Suva> Ah, don't care :P
[11:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> njs12345: good point :)
[11:51] <isaac> drop the soooooo much and append "in some ways"
[11:51] <gurrio> i'm trying to run ubuntu live-cd,and when the X-server starts, the gnome desktop doesn't appear. so i reestart the x-server and then appears the gdm login screen. And i don't know the either username or the password. Could you help me, or where can i found them.
[11:51] <Suva> I am not going to buy one anyways
[11:51] <Kakalto> what do I require for Idd to work?
[11:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> isaac: in many ways it's soooo much better.
[11:51] <Kakalto> hello?
[11:51] <eli> Demitar: I have 1 hard disk, took the whole of it for ubuntu (creating 2 partitions, I think). What should be the kernel command?
[11:52] <Suva> So what the hell with no root in ubuntu?
[11:52] <Suva> Is that true? :P
[11:52] <Demitar> Suva, sudo
[11:52] <Kakalto> not quite
[11:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> is upgrading to hoary going to require me to restart?
[11:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> Suva: there is root in ubuntu
[11:52] <Kakalto> CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[11:52] <Suva> I don't want some sucking sudo
[11:52] <Kakalto> restarting ubuntu without restarting
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> Suva: sudo to change the root pass then you can log in as root.
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> sudo is more secure however.
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> you should use sudo when you can stand it.
[11:53] <randabis> BROKEN_LADDER, yes, you'll need to reboot
[11:53] <randabis> Kakalto, that merely restarts X
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> i assumed so.
[11:53] <Suva> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root/view?searchterm=root%20password
[11:54] <Suva> Ok
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> my system has been up for five months.  how depressing.
[11:54] <randabis> :(
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> j/k
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> five months no way
[11:54] <Demitar> eli, something along the lines of: kernel (hd0,0)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 ro - and then - initrd (hd0,0)/initrd.img - and finally - boot
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> i run on an old dell rack server which is so loud and drains so much power that i always turn it off at night and when i go to work.
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone here use gaim?
[11:54] <randabis> I do
[11:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> do you have the otr plugin?
[11:54] <eli> Demitar: Is is booting now!!!!
[11:55] <Demitar> eli, yay! :)
[11:55] <randabis> otr?
[11:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> http://www.xelerance.com/mirror/otr/
[11:55] <eli> Demitar: entering the next steps of configuration...
[11:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's a "revolutionary" encryption plugin.
[11:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's something everyone should use if he can.
[11:56] <randabis> nice
[11:56] <eli> Demitar: while it continues... Will I have to write the lines that I just typed into some configuration file?
[11:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's really easy to install to.
[11:56] <Demitar> eli, you probably want to check that /boot/grub/menu.lst is sane and then run "grub-install /dev/hda"
[11:56] <njs12345> I use gaim-encryption already, so I don't really need it
[11:57] <Kakalto> how exactly do I make a symbolic link inside a file (a dll) to another file?
[11:57] <njs12345> however it does look interesting
[11:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> and if you have it, it basically detects when the other party has it, and connects.
[11:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> gaim-encryption doesn't do anything like what otr does.
[11:57] <njs12345> ln -s <file to be linked to> <symbolic link>
[11:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> you should read about otr.
[11:57] <Demitar> eli, they should be in the menu file already, really.
[11:57] <njs12345> well, it encrypts messages
[11:57] <njs12345> and I'm not stupid enough to lose control of private keys
[11:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> otr is encryption plus authentication plus repudiability.
[11:57] <eli> Demitar: The order I did was 1. setup... 2. kernel .... 3. initrd.... 4. boot Is this all to it?
[11:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's the point of encryption without authentication?
[11:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> what's the point of authentication without repudiability?
[11:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> otr makes gaim-encryption utterly obsolete
[11:58] <Kakalto> njs12345, that command didn't work
[11:58] <Kakalto> it said the file already exists
[11:58] <Demitar> eli, that is enough, there is some other magic, your menu.lst should contain entries like this:
[11:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> otr is also cross platform/client.
[11:58] <gurrio> Sorry, but how can i know what's the default user and pass on the live-cd?
[11:58] <Demitar> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-2-686
[11:58] <Demitar> root            (hd0,0)
[11:58] <Demitar> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-2-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash
[11:58] <Demitar> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-2-686
[11:58] <Demitar> savedefault
[11:58] <Demitar> boot
[11:59] <Demitar> And those should be installed by the kernel packages automagically.
[11:59] <randabis> the otr deb is down :/
[12:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have it.
[12:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> but that's sad
[12:00] <eli> Demitar: after I get into the system (which is downloading packages now), I will check this. It is now downloading security patches, locales
[12:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> http://www.cypherpunks.ca/[..] inaries/debian/gaim-otr_1.0.3-2_i386.deb
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> oops
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> http://freshmeat.net/redir/otr/55072/url_deb/gaim-otr_1.0.3-2_i386.deb
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> it works
[12:01] <randabis> the gaim plugin depends on the library though
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> but you need to have gaim 1.1.1 or better.
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> you just install libotr and otr
[12:01] <randabis> the library deb is down not the gaim plugin
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> easy as cake.
[12:01] <Demitar> eli, if you already have defined an account you can simply switch to another console: ALT-F2 (or any F1-F6). And login there and do the stuff.
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> randabis ahh
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> it will be back up shortly then i'm sure
[12:02] <randabis> :/
[12:02] <eli> Demitar: Yes, I can do alt-f2. What should I check there?
[12:02] <Tomcat_> Can anybody here tell me what song this is? http://www.sarahundhelge.de/tomcats_illegale_files/Cut.mp3
[12:02] <Demitar> eli, have you created an account? (I don't remember when in the install process that is done.)
[12:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't wait to be a hoar: 134kB/s 29m35s
[12:03] <eli> Demitar: is the user that I defined the same as root? I dont remember being asked for the root password? Reply to you: yes, I can login with the user that I have already defind.
[12:03] <randabis> BROKEN_LADDER, what package number? :P
[12:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> i always found it really frustrating that a kilobyte wasn't exactly 1000 bytes, and a megabyte wasn't exactly a million.
[12:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> package "number"?
[12:03] <randabis> root is not defined by default eli
[12:04] <Demitar> eli, good, then type "cat /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[12:04] <randabis> BROKEN_LADDER, the "get" number
[12:04] <[Spooky] > im new to this *.deb thing... all debs are ok ?
[12:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> sheesh..hell if i know.
[12:04] <Demitar> And you should get a list of something resembling the entry I pasted above.
[12:04] <eli> Demitar: when I look at the contents of /boot I think that a new kernel was not created there. The kernel is vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3.386, which I think came from kanotix
[12:04] <randabis> no! not all debs are ok
[12:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> isn't that number just valid if it's hosted in the debian repositories?
[12:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's from two comp sci profs at UC Berkeley.
[12:05] <eli> Demitar: but the initrd has the date of today...
[12:05] <eli> Demitar: but the numbers of the kernel and initrd match: 2.6.8.1-3.386
[12:06] <Demitar> eli, does the title say ubuntu?
[12:06] <swim> has anyone tried sidecandy yet?
[12:06] <Demitar> Since that kernel is in ubuntu.
[12:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> holy cow it's 3am..i'm off to bed.
[12:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> nite guys.
[12:06] <randabis> nite
[12:06] <randabis> 5 am here :p
[12:06] <eli> Demitar: what file should I be looking at? At the moment I am doing ls and looking at the contents of /boot
[12:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm in san francisco.
[12:06] <aperson> 5am here too
[12:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> where it's a chilly 281k.
[12:06] <lkerscher> is anywhere a german ubuntu channel?
[12:06] <Demitar> eli, did you cat (or less or more) menu.lst?
[12:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[12:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> nein.
[12:07] <lkerscher> nein?
[12:07] <eli> Demitar: I do not have menu.lst in /boot
[12:07] <Demitar> eli, /boot/grub/menu.lst or don't you have a grub dir?
[12:07] <swim> does anyone know how to install sidecandy?
[12:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't know.
[12:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need to rip off my roomie's windows fonts tommorrow.
[12:08] <eli> Demitar: Yes, and there is a menu.lst that I am looking at now
[12:08] <Demitar> eli, and it contains kernels that look ok?
[12:08] <yowwww> can anyone tell me why gdm wont start upon a fresh install with updates?
[12:09] <szi> does anyone know to what degree ubuntu is compatible with debian
[12:09] <[Spooky] > so how good is it to buld from src in ubuntu ?
[12:09] <[Spooky] > *build
[12:09] <eli> Demitar: there lines with Ubuntu in the title, but I did not see these lines when booting. The kernel version is the same as what I said before.
[12:09] <szi> is it possible to track debian unstable after doing an ubuntu install?
[12:09] <Demitar> szi, not without serious breakage due to binary incompabilities.
[12:09] <szi> Demitar: lame
[12:09] <gt500> 'llo peepz :)
[12:09] <eli> Demitar: when booting I definitely did not see menu.lst
[12:10] <Demitar> eli, then run "sudo grub-install /dev/hda"
[12:10] <szi> Demitar: so far i like what i see as far as the live cd, but i'll stick straight debian
[12:10] <eli> Demitar: it is asking me for a password....
[12:10] <Demitar> szi, well you pretty much have all debian packages built for ubuntu in the universe collection, built directly from debian.
[12:11] <Demitar> eli, it's your user account's password.
[12:11] <randabis> ubuntu stays more up to date than straight debian :)
[12:11] <swim> welp gnight all
[12:11] <Demitar> randabis, apart from the occacional quirks in universe due to packages depending on exact versions, or ubuntu simply being more up to date. :)
[12:12] <eli> Demitar: and then I get cannot remove /boot/grub.stage1: permission denied
[12:12] <Demitar> Hmm...
[12:12] <randabis> :)
[12:12] <gt500> sudo 8)
[12:13] <Demitar> eli, well, make sure that your grub package is up to date, and try again. (The stages should be in /boot/grub/ not /boot/grub.*
[12:14] <eli> Demitar: CORRECTION: I did run it, and it seem to have done it ok. How do I know if it is ok?
[12:15] <eli> Demitar: the files in the grub directrory have now today's date
[12:15] <Demitar> Only one way to know for sure. And I imagine you can guess what. :)
[12:16] <eli> Demitar: I will wait until the session at alt-F1 finishes downloading. It is now on package 61, and does not say when it will finish.
[12:16] <Demitar> Yes, that's a good idea.
[12:16] <Demitar> Good luck.
[12:16] <cavediver> Damn, I can't even run the binary installer frn mozilla.org. I'm trying to install FF 1.0
[12:17] <Demitar> cavediver, in ubuntu?
[12:17] <eli> Demitar: thanks very much. One last question: I see that the swap partition is only 200 megabytes, the / particion is 8o Gigabytes. Is this an acceptable value?
[12:18] <cavediver> Demitar: yes.
[12:18] <Demitar> eli, I think it'll be ok. A bit more swap can be good since it doesn't hurt (I hear 2.6 kernels suggest twice as much swap as ram).
[12:18] <cavediver> I hate being stuck with FF 0.8
[12:18] <cavediver> :/
[12:18] <Demitar> cavediver, ah, I forgot I switched to hoary. :)
[12:18] <eli> Demitar: Is it possible to increase the swap after installation?
[12:19] <PotajiTo> wenas
[12:19] <cavediver> Demitar: I see :=) Is it somewhat stable ?
[12:19] <Demitar> eli, well, first. How much ram does the box have.
[12:19] <eli> Demitar: it has 390 megabytes
[12:19] <Demitar> cavediver, you probably shouldn't ask me I've been running debian/sid exclusively for years.
[12:21] <cavediver> Me to. I had problems with sid and switched to Ubuntu. Only need FF and TB 1.0. Backports doesn't work in A64 version, unfortunately.
[12:21] <Demitar> eli, then it probably has so much ram that it won't be a problem anyway. But if you're worried you can either test one of the e2fs partition resizing tools (never tried one myself) or reinstall from scratch.
[12:21] <Demitar> cavediver, then upgrade already. ;-) It's not unstable.
[12:21] <cavediver> I might just do that :=)
[12:22] <Demitar> I just needed one compiler upgrade. And let's just say that upgrades only become complicated when upgrading from potato and sid and apt can't read the older package files. ;-) Which I happened to do recently, since I only had a potato disc handy. :)
[12:23] <eli> Demitar: in windows 390 is not much memory.... B
[12:23] <eli> Demitar: about resizing: will try it later. It just finished downloading the packages, and it is not unpacking them. Lets get first a system that works.
[12:24] <Demitar> eli, well, the main memory hogs for me are firefox and evolution (or thunderbird). But I'm a console person so I probably don't count (a few terminals, emacs and a browser and I'm happy ;) ).
[12:24] <Demitar> Oh, and X-Chat obviously. :)
[12:25] <eli> Demitar: I like x, and will be using emacs, tex, mysql, and perhaps some email and mozilla. I felt that the swap was too small....
[12:25] <eli> Demitar: also the web server, and php.
[12:26] <Demitar> Yeah, it's probably good to get a bit extra then. I was amazed how little memory ubuntu used, then I realized I hadn't installed all the servers I usually habitually install. :)
[12:27] <Demitar> And I finally got a new hd to I got myself a grand 10G swap. ;-) Which due to the reasons I mentioned before is entirely unused. :)
[12:27] <eli> Demitar: Yes, this is also something that I will be looking at later: I do not want to have un-needed software, just to take memory and boot time.
[12:28] <eli> Demitar: with kanotix I could see in one applet the memory used, including the swap. It was almost full all the time (the swap memory)
[12:28] <eli> Meaning, it was being used.
[12:30] <eli> Demitar: Going back to something from before: Is there a root user?
[12:30] <randabis> not by default
[12:31] <eli> randabis: was this a reply to me?
[12:31] <randabis> well...actually there is a root user, but he has no password by default
[12:31] <randabis> yes eli :)
[12:31] <eli> randabis: Can I use su?
[12:31] <Demitar> As randabis said, it can only be accessed through sudo.
[12:31] <randabis> ubuntu makes use of the sudo command
[12:32] <Demitar> (Prevents remote root logins and that entire madness as a bonus.)
[12:32] <eli> Is sudo for the whole session or just for the immediate command?
[12:32] <Demitar> It has a timeout.
[12:32] <randabis> the immediate command
[12:32] <randabis> with timeout
[12:32] <randabis> you can open a terminal though that has root privs
[12:32] <[Spooky] > hm a lame question ? howto install a deb package ? :) isnt it pkg something ?
[12:32] <eli> Ok, I am sure I will get used to it.
[12:33] <randabis> dpkg -i foo.deb
[12:33] <randabis> with sudo of course
[12:33] <[Spooky] > thanks again :)
[12:33] <eli> randabis: yes, that is exactly what I was thinking, wanting to do.
[12:33] <randabis> eli, it will be in your gnome applications menu under system tools
[12:34] <randabis> optionally you can make your own root terminal launcher
[12:34] <randabis> you would use gksudo gnome-terminal as the command field of your launcher
[12:35] <eli> Just now booting into x, good screen size. Seems very good.
[12:35] <randabis> :)
[12:35] <randabis> I'll be back in a minute
[12:35] <eli> My mozilla client does not have the nice faces so here it oges :-) :-) :-) :-)
[12:35] <randabis> gonna go over to my laptop so I can lay down
[12:36] <eli> Well, it does show the faces...
[12:36] <nir> anyone got 4.1 running on G5?
[12:36] <topyli> randabis-laptop: smart move, it's sunday after all
[12:37] <eli> randabis: Thanks for your help.
[12:37] <nir> I boot with Enter, or with install video-ofonly
[12:37] <chris_> hi.. got a simple query - basic warty install - selecting a login theme manager, how come when logged into gnome as a normal user, when i enter the root password (as it asks to swtich user) it always fails, but when I enter my user password it runs the login theme manager?
[12:37] <eli> Demitar: thanks very much for your help. It was great.
[12:37] <randabis-laptop> yep
[12:38] <nir> but I get only gray screen with message about opening display
[12:38] <randabis-laptop> no problem eli
[12:38] <nir> and then nothing for minutes
[12:38] <nir> trying on G5 dual 2 Giga
[12:38] <randabis-laptop> because the root user is disabled unless you enabled it
[12:39] <topyli> people all over the net speak of irda-lan like it's really possible. i'm getting more and more convinced it's sheer fantasy
[12:39] <eli> randabis, Demitar: and amazingly: it sees the windows network and its computers
[12:40] <randabis-laptop> nir because root has no password by default
[12:40] <randabis-laptop> when it asks for a password, it wants your user password
[12:40] <randabis-laptop> that's how sudo / gksudo works
[12:40] <chris_> yeah, whys that? using sudo ?
[12:40] <chris_> ahh..
[12:40] <randabis-laptop> eli that's great
[12:40] <chris_> I just thought it was like su
[12:40] <chris_> just confused me a little bit
[12:41] <randabis-laptop> it's a little different...it's more secure than su
[12:41] <chris_> I've always used su, so it's a new concept to me heh
[12:42] <topyli> it's more difficult to crack a root account when it's disabled :)
[12:42] <nir> randabis-laptop, I'm not talking about login
[12:42] <randabis-laptop> nir I know you're not
[12:43] <nir> If it was not clear - I trying to boot from the cd
[12:43] <randabis-laptop> ooh
[12:43] <randabis-laptop> I mixed you up with chris_ my appologies
[12:43] <nir> np
[12:43] <nir> :)
[12:48] <cavediver> hmm.. I installed mencoder-amd64, but what's the name of the binary ? It was mencoder on debian, but not here.
[12:50] <randabis-laptop> check /usr/bin
[12:52] <HrdwrBoB> dpkg -L mencoder-amd64 will list the contents of the package
[12:53] <david> ola
[12:53] <david> estoy listo
[12:53] <david> para actualizar a hoary
[12:53] <david> de warty a hoary
[12:53] <HrdwrBoB> david: #ubuntu-es
[12:53] <HrdwrBoB> at a guess
[12:53] <spiral> mjg59: hmmm... Where can I find more informations about the smart battery stability ?
[12:53] <david> ya esta actualizado el sources.list
[12:53] <david> ahora un apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:53] <david> y listo
[12:54] <david> ahora estoy con ubuntu
[12:54] <david> recien instalado
[12:54] <david> sin drivers oficiales
[12:54] <david> ni nada
[12:54] <david> eso lo hare despues
[12:54] <david> de actualizar
[12:54] <david> :)
[12:54] <HrdwrBoB> david: sorry, I only speak english (and bad english)
[12:54] <randabis-laptop> no habla espanol:(
[12:54] <david> una pregunta
[12:55] <norman> ohai! :P
[12:55] <norman> cool. i like this
[12:55] <norman> it autoconnected to ubuntu :P
[12:56] <norman> anyway..: since im here. can one wine 3ds max in linux?
[12:57] <norman> ahhh, then it got silent :P
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> norman: not sure, blender runs natively, you'd have to ask wine people
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> or try it
[12:58] <norman> ye, but i cant mount my ntfspartition
[12:58] <norman> simply cause i dont know how to mount :P
[12:59] <spiral> norman: mount /dev/hda1 [mountpoint]  -t ntfs -o ro may help
[12:59] <randabis-laptop> perhaps you should checkout the howto on that subject on www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:00] <mjg59> spiral: The acpi-devel mailing list
[01:02] <spiral> mjg59: I'm looking at it
[01:02] <spiral> thanks
[01:05] <spockster> ma111 usb  is there a guide availible?
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> spockstar: ubuntuguide.org
[01:13] <spockstar> HrdwrBoB: is that the only guide?
[01:14] <HrdwrBoB> spockstar: there is a lot of good information on ubuntulinux.org
[01:15] <randabis-laptop> more specifically, the wiki within the site
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[01:16] <spockstar> HrdwrBob: yes i have been looking there found some info,just wondered if there was other info
[01:16] <spockstar> thanks
[01:22] <scoon_> anyone here know if the firewire port on audigy cards is powered ?
[01:25] <norman> damn
[01:25] <norman> my resolution fucked up
[01:25] <norman> S:
[01:26] <norman> can anyone tell me how to change it? :P
[01:26] <norman> the resolution is to low to run the web
[01:27] <gt500> Computer -> System Configuration -> Screen Resolution
[01:27] <norman> ahh! great!
[01:27] <norman> thank you :D
[01:27] <gt500> ;)
[01:27] <gt500> np
[01:31] <Ephemeral> scoon_
[01:31] <Ephemeral> how many pins does it have?
[01:31] <Ephemeral> i think if its 6 then its powered, if its 4 it isnt
[01:31] <scoon_> Ephemeral, it is the larger one, 6 i think
[01:32] <Ephemeral> that will provide power then
[01:32] <scoon_> Ephemeral, the only fw dev that i have is a 2nd gen iPod.
[01:32] <Ephemeral> yeah
[01:32] <scoon_> Ephemeral, is there somewhere that has all this stuff.  the ieee1394 site did not and neither did creative's site.  tom's hardware didn't either.
[01:33] <Ephemeral> all what stuff?
[01:33] <scoon_> Ephemeral, about powered firewire, etc.
[01:33] <Ephemeral> ah
[01:33] <norman> damn
[01:34] <norman> my wine is fucked
[01:34] <scoon_> Ephemeral, the main reason that I am not certain is that i used to have a 3port fw card, and for power, i'd plug my ps into it.
[01:34] <thomasvs> anyone here who knows a little about "baz" ?
[01:34] <scoon_> Ephemeral, but the audigy does not do that.
[01:35] <_4strO> yop yop
[01:35] <lyy> i just installed ubuntu
[01:35] <lyy> i just installed ubuntu but it didn't detect my network card somehow. how do i go about fixing this?
[01:35] <Ephemeral> As far as I know, the Audigy and Sound-card Firewire ports do not supply power (they are 4 pin usually)
[01:35] <Ephemeral> http://www.camcorderinfo.com/bbs/archive/index.php/t-107450.html
[01:35] <Adrenal> anyone know any good rss feeds?
[01:36] <Ephemeral> go to that site
[01:36] <Ephemeral> BBC RSS?
[01:36] <Ephemeral> what are u looking for?
[01:36] <Ephemeral> news ? Tech?
[01:37] <Adrenal> anything really
[01:37] <Adrenal> guess i should try syndic8 then hey?
[01:37] <Adrenal> just discovered Fx live bookmarks
[01:37] <Ephemeral> http://news.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsonline_world_edition/front_page/rss091.xml
[01:37] <Ephemeral> bbc RSS
[01:37] <Ephemeral> news
[01:37] <Adrenal> cheers
[01:37] <scoon_> Ephemeral, what is meant by 4pin or 6pin.
[01:38] <scoon_> Ephemeral, i thought it was the size of the connector.
[01:38] <Ephemeral> the physical connector...
[01:38] <Ephemeral> my Ipod uses 6pin .. i think its 1st or 2nd gen
[01:38] <Ephemeral> it doesnt have a cradle
[01:39] <scoon_> Ephemeral, neither does mine.  but my audity uses the 6pin connector.
[01:39] <scoon_> Ephemeral, i have a creative audigy 2 zs
[01:39] <Ephemeral> scoon_ what OS u using?
[01:39] <Ephemeral> do u have Ubuntu and windows?
[01:39] <scoon_> Ephemeral, only linux.
[01:39] <Ephemeral> ah
[01:40] <scoon_> Ephemeral, i haven't used windows @ home in over 6 years.
[01:40] <Ephemeral> what happens if u plug it in ?
[01:40] <Ephemeral> if i can recieve power, i'd think it would weather it liked the OS or not
[01:41] <Ephemeral> data transmission might take a bit of setting up
[01:41] <scoon_> Ephemeral, no, it works just fine.  haven't had any problems w/ it.
[01:41] <scoon_> Ephemeral, it appears to be charging the iPod beacause the battery icon show that it does.
[01:42] <scoon_> Ephemeral, but i just wanted to see some docs on the subject
[01:42] <Ephemeral> ...hehe, so whats the problem?
[01:42] <Ephemeral> ah
[01:42] <Ephemeral> what software do u use in Ubuntu with the ipod?
[01:43] <scoon_> Ephemeral, gtkpod.
[01:43] <scoon_> Ephemeral, there is no problem, per say.
[01:45] <Ephemeral> i'll try gtkpod sometime
[01:45] <scoon_> in fact i have had firewire working great since 2.4 kernels
[01:45] <scoon_> its good.
[01:45] <scoon_> i like it
[01:45] <Ephemeral> dont even know if my firewire on my mobo is working inb ubuntu
[01:47] <norman> is there a way to turn of  that ""W***WA*" biping!?
[01:47] <norman> :S
[01:49] <norman> thank god!
[01:49] <norman> :S
[01:49] <norman> i thought i would have to live with it all my life :P
[01:49] <astaroth> hola a todos
[01:50] <wezzer> hola
[01:50] <astaroth> me podria ayudar alguien?
[01:50] <astaroth> acabo de instalar el ubuntu y no me sale el sonido
[01:53] <norman> is there an adresse to add to synaptic to download and isntall kde?
[01:53] <Riddell> norman: add the universe repository
[01:54] <astaroth> alguien habla espaol?
[01:55] <HappyFool> astaroth: /join #ubuntu-es
[01:56] <claudio__> hi
[01:57] <claudio__> i have problems with sound
[01:57] <claudio__> need help
[01:57] <neofeed> what problems have you got?
[01:58] <ToM-> Evening, I have a problem with Ubuntu's installation.
[01:58] <claudio__> i have two sound cards a realtek ac97 and a soundblaster pci 128, how i choose ??
 norman: add the universe repository
[01:59] <ToM-> claudio__: leave the other's drivers out? Or tell Alsa to use the soundblaster as primary
[01:59] <norman> ?
[01:59] <claudio__> the realtek is onboard i want to use the sb
[01:59] <Ephemeral> is Fluxbox in Universe?
[01:59] <chris_> claudio__: disable the realtek in the bios mate
[01:59] <chris_> that'd be the easiest way
[01:59] <neofeed> claudio__, if you don't use the onboard on anyway. why not disable it in the bios?
[01:59] <norman> what is universe repository? :S
[01:59] <ToM-> Ubuntus's installation doesn't seem to understand my sata-hardisk.
[02:00] <astaroth> I have only ac97
[02:00] <ToM-> s,hardisk,harddisk
[02:00] <claudio__> i disable it on the bios, detected anyway
[02:00] <claudio__> sorry for the bad english
[02:00] <chris_> bizzare.. normally it wouldn't detect it.. it didn't do for me :)
[02:00] <chris_> are you sure that is it definately disabled?
[02:00] <Ephemeral> ToM, Ubuntu works with my SATA disk
[02:00] <Ephemeral> ToM, it sees it as SDA
[02:00] <claudio__> legacy onboard audio = disabled
[02:01] <ToM-> Ephemeral: does the installation want to use the whole disk? Because it sees the disk, but doesn't let me do the partitioning
[02:01] <duzchip> Heya
[02:01] <Riddell> norman: I don't use synaptic but you want this in your sources.list:  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[02:01] <Ephemeral> ToM, no, it can co-exist with other Linux or M$
[02:02] <ToM-> Ephemeral: Weird, since it only gives me option to use soft-raid, or wipe the whole disk
[02:02] <claudio__> how i tell alsa to use the soundlaster?
[02:02] <Ephemeral> ToM, Make some space, then use "Guided Partitioning"
[02:02] <ToM-> Ephemeral: My harddisk already has linux on it
[02:03] <Ephemeral> ToM, What i do is leave 40GB free, then use the "use remaining free space option" and it does it auto
[02:03] <Riddell> norman: change warty to hoary if you want KDE 3.3.2
[02:03] <Riddell> norman: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:03] <ToM-> Ephemeral: well it doesn't see any partitions. It just sees the driver but doesn't show any partitions
[02:03] <Ephemeral> ToM, what mobo, disk?
[02:03] <Riddell> norman: apt-get update && apt-get install kde-core
[02:04] <Ephemeral> ToM, I'm using DFI Nforce3, Seagate 7200.7 SATA
[02:04] <HappyFool> well, hoary is bleeding edge, isn't it?
[02:04] <neofeed> somewhat ;)
[02:05] <Ephemeral> whens Hoary go stable?
[02:05] <Ephemeral> roughly
[02:05] <ToM-> Ephemeral: A7N8X-E Deluxe
[02:05] <HappyFool> i'm not sure - i believe the release is in april (?)
[02:05] <fc_> where can I get php?
[02:05] <Ephemeral> ah
[02:05] <neofeed> when was warty released?
[02:05] <HappyFool> october
[02:06] <Ephemeral> is it possible to run XFCE in Warty?
[02:06] <jdub> neofeed: 4.10 == year.month :)
[02:06] <_4strO> fc_ > apt-get install appache2
[02:06] <neofeed> HappyFool, yep that makes warty be 5.4
[02:06] <fc_> oh
[02:06] <_4strO> fc_ > apt-get install apache2
[02:06] <neofeed> as far as I got.
[02:06] <ToM-> Ephemeral: and the drive is seagate
[02:06] <jdub> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule -> for hoary
[02:06] <neofeed> jdub, do you really think I know what version I'm running ;)
[02:06] <jdub> neofeed: warty == 4.10, hoary will == 5.04
[02:07] <neofeed> jdub, ... ohh well padding with 0's
[02:08] <duzchip> I had to reinstall ubuntu today
[02:08] <duzchip> I could not get my x to work last night after upgrading to 5.04
[02:08] <duzchip> so i'm running 4.10 until 5.04 is stable
[02:08] <duzchip> or released atleast
[02:09] <ToM-> Ephemeral: I'll try installing again..
[02:09] <jdub> duzchip: probably worth upgrading at preview time, in march.
[02:09] <Ephemeral> Tom, go for it
[02:09] <Ephemeral> Tom, i used to have NF7-S
[02:09] <Ephemeral> Tom, i had no troubles , same HD
[02:09] <ToM-> Other anoying things is, that usb-keybouard doesnt work with installation
[02:10] <fc_> _4strO, where is php installed then?
[02:10] <fc_> I dont use apache
[02:10] <_4strO> u dont want use ?
[02:11] <fc_> heh?
[02:11] <Ephemeral> ToM, have you definitley got the latest ISO image?
[02:11] <_4strO> /var/www/
[02:11] <duzchip> jdub: i'll see about it then. Now i just want a stable system
[02:11] <claudio__> alguien habla espaol?
[02:11] <HappyFool> try #ubuntu-es
[02:12] <_4strO> fc_ -> what u want do ?
[02:12] <_4strO> make some html/php pages ?
[02:12] <fc_> I want to use php on my webserver
[02:12] <fc_> but not apache
[02:12] <_4strO> erf
[02:12] <njs12345> fc_: erm
[02:12] <fc_> so i need the path of the php executable file
[02:12] <HappyFool> what webserver are you going to use?
[02:12] <ToM-> still no luck
[02:12] <fc_> abyss
[02:12] <jdub> fc_: install php4-cli
[02:13] <claudio__> need help with alsa
[02:13] <jdub> fc_: should be /usr/bin/php4 or /usr/bin/php
[02:13] <fc_> jdub, thnx
[02:13] <_4strO> oki i think it's in /etc/apache
[02:13] <_4strO> will look
[02:13] <jazzka> how can install a new font?
[02:13] <jdub> fc_: er, /usr/bin/php4-cgi
[02:14] <jdub> fc_: package is php4-cgi
[02:14] <jdub> jazzka: run application > type 'fonts:///', then drag'n'drop
[02:15] <claudio__> I have two sound cards how i choose which uses ubuntu?
[02:15] <njs12345> jdub: is there an openoffice 2.0 preview package yet?
[02:16] <odyssey> is skype spyware?
[02:16] <jdub> there have been uploads, but it hasn't finally built yet
[02:16] <fc_> jdub, its /usr/bin/php, but thank you, it works :)
[02:16] <jazzka> jdub, I havn't enough permissions
[02:16] <njs12345> odyssey: no, I don't think it has any spyware
[02:16] <jdub> jazzka: you do, fonts:/// installs into your home directory (the actual location is ~/.fonts/)
[02:16] <Xolt> does the ubuntu have a sshd on the livecd?
[02:17] <jdub> Xolt: no
[02:18] <ToM-> Ephemeral: same thing again
[02:18] <jdub> whiprush: ping
[02:19] <lyy> how do i disable ipv6 on ubuntu?
[02:19] <Xolt> i cant seem to find documentation on how to install ubuntu, do you know where i could get it?
[02:19] <lyy> Xolt: what's the problem?
[02:19] <Xolt> im trying to install ubuntu onto my harddisk
[02:20] <lyy> Xolt: i just installed ubuntu myself. all i did was create 2 partitions. the / partition and the swap partition
[02:20] <lyy> Xolt: the rest was just following the installation wizard
[02:20] <Xolt> installation wizard? It booted to the desktop
[02:21] <nokia6000> i just joined #xyz1234 earlier, then use xchat's "Window>Channel List" set minimium to 1 and max to 5; but i did not see #xyz1234 showed up.
[02:21] <ogra> Xolt: are you sure you didnt use the livecd ?
[02:21] <nokia6000> do i have to register a channel?
[02:21] <Xolt> i used the livecd
[02:21] <lyy> Xolt: that's the reason why
[02:21] <Xolt> how can i install from the livecd?
[02:21] <jdub> Xolt: support > documentation > howto on the website
[02:21] <jdub> Xolt: you can't
[02:21] <ogra> Xolt: you cant
[02:22] <Xolt> then how the heck do i install ubuntu?
[02:22] <carambol> install cd
[02:23] <Xolt> so i need to download the other i386 image and use that instead of the livecd?
[02:23] <lyy> dam that sucks. no qt on ubuntu
[02:23] <Ephemeral> Xolt, Yeah
[02:23] <ToM-> Ephemeral: it doesn't detect any partitions on my drive
[02:24] <ogra> lyy: just install it, its in universe
[02:24] <jdub> qt is in main
[02:24] <Ephemeral> ToM, You only have 1 disk right?
[02:24] <lyy> ogra: i'm still kinda new on how to install packages on ubuntu. i was told rpms and some other stuff..
[02:24] <ogra> jdub: thank (never using it)
[02:24] <ToM-> Ephemeral: yes, and the ISO was downloaded and burned yesterday.
[02:24] <jdub> lyy: qt is not installed by default, but it's available for install. it's in main, which means that it's supported.
[02:24] <ToM-> But when I used expert installation, it complained something about missing IDE drivers
[02:24] <ogra> lyy: in your computer menu look for synaptic
[02:25] <Ephemeral> ToM, Who makes the SATA Controller? Silicon Image? , I'd do a google to see if your SATA Controller is supported
[02:25] <jdub> lyy: if you run synaptic, supported packages are very obvious - they're marked with an ubuntu logo.
[02:25] <ToM-> Ephemeral: you mean supported by kernel?
[02:26] <Ephemeral> ToM, Yeah
[02:26] <ToM-> Ephemeral: It is
[02:26] <Ephemeral> ToM, Thats wierd
[02:26] <ToM-> Ephemeral: Mandrake 10.0 & 10.1 works just fine
[02:26] <norman> im sorry for naging, but howtheheck do i boot kde? :P
[02:27] <jdub> when you run gdm, click sessions and choose kde.
[02:27] <claudio__> how i prevent a module from loading??
[02:27] <tuhl> anybody got the acrobat 7 beta for Linux?
[02:27] <ToM-> Ephemeral: Oh well I have to go and let some steam out. ;) I'll look into this more this evening
[02:27] <Phineas> claudio, there's a blacklist file, search the forums
[02:27] <Ephemeral> ToM, ok ToM
[02:27] <ogra> claudio__: add the modulename to the file /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[02:27] <claudio__> thanks
[02:27] <norman> umh? gdm? im sorry, i used to have suse. then i didnt need all that :P
[02:27] <fc_> where can I get kernel-source for warty?
[02:28] <Phineas> yeah, that's the file ogra
[02:28] <jdub> fc_: apt-cache search linux-source
[02:28] <Phineas> norman, when you boot up and see the login screen, that's gdm
[02:28] <jdub> fc_: then you'll find the package name for your kernel
[02:28] <norman> ok, thanks. trying
[02:28] <Phineas> k
[02:34] <xoxoxo> hello
[02:35] <Phineas> howdy
[02:35] <xoxoxo> i want to mount a file as loopback device, and in READONLY mode. anybody please tell me which command to use? i tried "mount -o loop -o ro rootfs /mnt", but it doesnt work ?
[02:38] <HappyFool> xoxoxo: have you done "sudo modprobe loop"
[02:39] <HappyFool> loopback support is a module on ubuntu, not loaded by default
[02:41] <vapz> try "mount -o loop,ro <filename> <mountdir>"
[02:41] <vapz> and of course you should be root or have privileges to mount everything
[02:42] <fc_> jdub, about that kernel-source, where is it?
[02:42] <fc_> i only see a tar in /usr/src
[02:42] <jdub> fc_: it's called linux-source-*
[02:42] <fc_> should i extract that tar?
[02:42] <jdub> yes, that's the source code, dude. :)
[02:43] <zido> is there any program in Linux that can view quicktime movies?
[02:44] <ogra> zido: try vlc
[02:44] <jdub> zido: xine (ie. totem-xine) with w32codecs installed
[02:44] <Phineas> xmms should play it...
[02:44] <Phineas> well, with the xmmplayer plugin
[02:45] <piratePenguin> I want my isdn devices to be created automatically so they're there when I needa connect to the internet... where should I put the mknod commands (what init/config file?)? (or is there another (better) way to set it up?)
[02:45] <norman> yay \o/
[02:45] <Phineas> glad it worked norman
[02:46] <norman> :D
[02:46] <ogra> piratePenguin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowto
[02:46] <giard> is there a bugzilla-type place for ubuntu hoary?
[02:46] <zido> jdub: totem-xine plays it, but the sound and picture is pretty messed up :P
[02:47] <jdub> giard: normal bugzilla
[02:47] <njs12345> giard: try bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[02:47] <piratePenguin> orga: omg, there's an isdn howto! If I seen that myself earlier on it'd have saved me a *lot* of time heh... thanks alot
[02:47] <ogra> piratePenguin: :)
[02:48] <juan> hi guyz where can I download xcompmgr deb? cause daniels haven't the deb on his page
[02:48] <juan> :P
[02:48] <jdub> juan: hoary
[02:49] <norman> hihihi, downloading kdegames :D
[02:49] <norman> now i just have to get ati working :S
[02:49] <juan> ? I use hoary, I searched xcompmgr and it's not on hoary :/ jdub
[02:50] <juan> juan@love:~ $ sudo apt-cache search xcompmgr >> juan@love:~ $
[02:50] <juan> :/
[02:50] <ogra> juan: do you have universe enabled ?
[02:50] <no0tic> norman: do you have hoary?
[02:50] <juan> oh no, sorry :P
[02:50] <norman> mh. think so
[02:51] <norman> i wrote hoary after the urlthingie
[02:51] <juan> ogra, hoary upgrade changed my sources.list :P
[02:51] <norman> why?
[02:51] <juan> XD
[02:51] <no0tic> no0tic: if you want help setting up ati drivers...
[02:51] <norman> :)
[02:51] <poolio> Can someone help me with ppc install?
[02:51] <juan> I like the new visualition of the fonts in xorg, it rocks :D cool :)
[02:51] <no0tic> norman: : if you want help setting up ati drivers...
[02:52] <poolio> I am trying to mount my iPod (an scsi device) during install
[02:52] <poolio> How can I do it, is it possible?
[02:52] <Phineas> during install?
[02:52] <Phineas> do you mean during bootup?
[02:54] <ogra> norman: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:54] <diod> Hi all
[02:54] <diod> I have a pb with the Ubuntu LiveCD
[02:55] <Phineas> ok
[02:56] <diod> After a few seconds/minutes, the display goes weird : there are stripes and I can't do anything more ..
[02:56] <diod> The only solution I then have is to hard reboot
[02:58] <diod> has anyone met this problem before ?
[02:58] <Phineas> diod, I haven't. Does it occur in any other OS?
[02:58] <poolio> I'm back, sorry.
[02:58] <poolio> I am trying to mount my ipod after booting the install. I switch to a virtual console but don't know which device to mount.
[02:59] <poolio> dmesg says it is sda but I don't see any sda in /dev
[02:59] <diod> Phineas: Nope, I have a Debian/Win2k otherwise on that box and it's quite stabla ..
[02:59] <Phineas> diod, then it sounds like it is a video driver problem... but I really can't be sure.
[03:00] <poolio> Anyone?
[03:00] <poolio> No ppcers here?
[03:00] <spockstar> ma111 usb detected at boot ,but not listed with ifconfig what do i need to do ????
[03:00] <diod> Phineas: ok, but what can I pass at boot to overcome it ?
[03:00] <Phineas> poolio, have you checked the forums?
[03:00] <poolio> no
[03:00] <Phineas> go search the forums, there's a good number of threads when I search for ipod
[03:01] <Phineas> diod, I don't know. You'll have to play around with it.
[03:01] <lyy> i have an ipod photo 40gig
[03:01] <lyy> anyone know if there's an ipod interface in linux besides using wine?
[03:03] <diod> Phineas: is the Ubuntu liveCd based on Morphix ?? Unfortunately, there is not much on either the Ubuntu or the Morphix site
[03:04] <poolio> Phineas, I don't see anything
[03:04] <diod> Phineas: it would be good to have a list of all the available boot options somewhere
[03:04] <poolio> That is useful to me
[03:04] <poolio> the /dev tree is different in windows
[03:04] <Phineas> diod, Yes it is based on the morphix.
[03:04] <lyy> does ubuntu use ipv6 out of the box?
[03:04] <lyy> i would like to turn it off
[03:05] <Phineas> lyy, yes I do believe it is enabled initially.
[03:05] <Phineas> poolio, alright, gimme a minute and let me see if I can find something for you
[03:05] <lyy> Phineas: is there a way to turn it off? or do i have to do some hack job to turn it off?
[03:05] <poolio> Thanks, I mean it says that I should "mount /dev/sda2 /mnt"
[03:05] <poolio> But there is no /dev/sda* on the ppc dev tree
[03:06] <Phineas> lyy, yes there is, hold on for me
[03:06] <eli> HELP: configuring network printer (hp 4500)
[03:06] <fc_> poolio, do you use usb of firewire?
[03:06] <usual> If I was new to linux and saw this posted as ubuntu, I would prolly never try ubuntu http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/19934-1.jpg
[03:06] <lyy> Phineas: ok i'm also look at the ubuntulinux.com website for info
[03:06] <poolio> USB
[03:07] <fc_> the iPod only works with firewire
[03:07] <poolio> This system doesn't have firewire.
[03:07] <fc_> well, thats what i found out
[03:07] <poolio> It works fine in Gentoo.
[03:07] <Phineas> lyy, well I know how to disable it in Firefox, is that what you're looking for?
[03:07] <fc_> oh
[03:07] <Phineas> poolio, have you looked into gtkpod?
[03:07] <lyy> Phineas: in all routing
[03:07] <poolio> Phineas: No, that doesn't matter
[03:07] <poolio> I need to do this from the Install CD
[03:08] <Phineas> lyy, okay, lemme look again.
[03:08] <ZzeCoOl> hey guys .... i have a Sata (Westrern Digital 200gb) hd and it seems that you can mount your partitions at the boot time using fstab cause drivers for sata wasn't loaded ... but if you log into X then by mount -a everything works fine
[03:08] <ZzeCoOl> any clues?
[03:09] <ZzeCoOl> how can  i make this mount at the bot time?
[03:09] <ZzeCoOl> boot
[03:09] <ZzeCoOl> :P
[03:09] <lyy> hmm. initial firefox is out of datte
[03:09] <Phineas> lyy, look in /etc/modutils/alias and you should find 'alias ipv6' and toggle (comment or uncomment whichever may be)
[03:09] <lyy> date
[03:09] <lyy> Phineas: ok found it
[03:09] <Phineas> lyy, and yes FF is out of date. Check the forums how-tos for how to get it from the Ubuntu Backports project
[03:09] <poolio> This might help
[03:10] <lyy> ok
[03:10] <Phineas> Zze: Add a script to boottime?
[03:10] <eli> HELP: anybody has experience with setting a network printer (printer with IP address)?
[03:10] <maliks>  Hi everyone! Right now in urgent mode. I have by mistake deleted the /etc/init.d/samba file! Reinstalling samba doesn't get back the file! What do I do? Urgent please!
[03:11] <poolio> Phineas, this might help, I get "Got unsupported event type "scsi_device"
[03:11] <poolio> Got unsupported event type "block
[03:11] <Xander> hello
[03:11] <Xander> :-)
[03:11] <poolio> "scsi" "scsi_host"
[03:11] <maliks> kindly help as I cant access my Win Server now as I have by mistake deleted /etc/init.d/samba file! And reinstalling samba isn't getting the file back :( Please help Thanks in advance
[03:12] <Phineas> poolio, sorry man, you've reached the end of my knowledge for that sort of thing. I'd just begin googling and such to see what you can find.
[03:12] <Phineas> maliks, we saw it the first time, no need to say it twice
[03:12] <fc_> poolio, I think that if you buy a firewire card it really works better
[03:12] <juan> hi guyz, I installed xcompmgr, and I did: xcompmgr -c   but nothing happens and says: No composite extension, how can I fix that?? :D
[03:12] <fc_> my iPod works with firewire
[03:13] <lyy> looks like i mistyped my root password. how do i go about resetting the root password?
[03:13] <wezzer> umm, there is no root password in ubuntu
[03:13] <poolio> fc_ I'm not buying a firewire card.
[03:13] <lyy> no wonder
[03:13] <lyy> so..how do i do root stuff?
[03:13] <maliks> can anyone give his or her /etc/init.d/samba file ???? or help me make one? [really sorry phineas but i am in a soup and it is way urgent!] 
[03:13] <wezzer> if you want to be root, type sudo su root
[03:13] <Phineas> lyy, sudo is the key
[03:13] <wezzer> and then type your own password
[03:13] <lyy> damn
[03:13] <wezzer> or, you can use sudo
[03:13] <lyy> i don't like sudo
[03:14] <wezzer> sudo shutdown -r now
[03:14] <wezzer> for example
[03:14] <piratePenguin> weezzer: I did "sudo passwd" and changed the root password... now I have a root pw.. is there something wrong with this?
[03:14] <poolio> You definitely need to use sudo.
[03:14] <wezzer> lyy: then use sudo su root
[03:14] <poolio> It is insecure to run su
[03:14] <lyy> i'll sudo rm -rf /
[03:14] <maliks> anyone please help me!
[03:14] <maliks> :(
[03:15] <wezzer> piratePenguin: no
[03:15] <Phineas> maliks, stupidity on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine. I'm trying to find info so I can help. Please take a chill pill.
[03:15] <piratePenguin> wezzer: oh, thanks
[03:15] <usual> Phineas, easy man
[03:15] <maliks> Ok thanks Phineas
[03:15] <maliks> I will wait
[03:15] <maliks> Ok waiting
[03:15] <AndyR> lo ppl
[03:15] <maliks> with hope
[03:15] <poolio> YAY
[03:15] <poolio> I got it working.
[03:15] <lyy> i think it's dumb
[03:15] <poolio> I insmodded the entire kernel module tree.
[03:15] <lyy> you sudo and type in your own password
[03:15] <usual> haha
[03:16] <lyy> that's gotta be the stupidest thing
[03:16] <Demitar> lyy, it's simple: sudo passwd; su -c "apt-get remove sudo"
[03:16] <maliks> btw phineas do u have a working /etc/init.d/samba file? will it be the same for me?
[03:16] <jdub> lyy: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo for more information as to why it's not "stupid"
[03:16] <Phineas> maliks, that's what I'm looking for
[03:16] <maliks> oops ok :)
[03:16] <maliks> Thanks phineas
[03:17] <maliks> Phineas: are you looking out for the file or r u looking out whether it will be the same or not ?
[03:17] <lyy> jdub: they are assuming we are stupid people and want to "protect" use from ourselves with having us use sudo. this feels very much like a m$ tactic
[03:17] <Phineas> maliks: Check out http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/hints/2003-July/000525.html and see if that helps you
[03:17] <Demitar> maliks, the "simple" way is to download the samba .deb (which you apparently have) and extract the file from there. (Either using midnight commander (mc) or using ar and tar.)
[03:18] <HrdwrBoB> lyy: it's a more sensible idea
[03:18] <maliks> phineas: ok checking out the link
[03:18] <HrdwrBoB> lyy: sudo is better because you do less things as root
[03:18] <jdub> lyy: er, dude...? it's a basic compartmentalisation security tactic.
[03:18] <Demitar> lyy, su leads to a lot of root consoles lying about.
[03:18] <zAo^> Who can advise me? I Have a ATI radeon 9600 PRO, but it is laggy (DRI is on). Should I buy a Gforce FX5200?
[03:19] <Demitar> zAo^, are you using the proprietary ati drivers?
[03:19] <jdub> lyy: stupid people can use su, too.
[03:19] <lyy> Demitar: how does su leave alot of root consoles lying about?
[03:19] <Phineas> alright, who's still looking for help?
[03:19] <lyy> i used sudo before, but not all the time
[03:19] <zAo^> Demitar, I use the Ubuntu drivers
[03:19] <HrdwrBoB> zAo^: an FX5200 won't be much better, you'd really need a 5700+ for reasonable performance
[03:19] <jdub> lyy: because you to su to a root shell instead of running single commands with elevated privileges.
[03:19] <Demitar> lyy, since "sudo foo bar" is simpler than su -c "" type passwd (again, and again and again)
[03:19] <lyy> so i don't know all the little details with sudo, but it feels kinda dumb to use sudo and then type my password
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> lyy: it's also much simpler to have one password
[03:20] <jdub> lyy: it's certainly not stupid (perhaps "different" is the word you're looking for), and i'm not sure how microsoft is related to the ubuntu security policy.
[03:20] <usual> there is no such thing as stupid people, there is only The rest of the world and Fedora users
[03:20] <juan> hi guyz, I installed xcompmgr, and I did: xcompmgr -c   but nothing happens and says: No composite extension, how can I fix that?? :D
[03:20] <zAo^> HrdwrBoB, thanks. Never ATI for me agian. I'll wait..
[03:20] <Phineas> lyy, then use su, no one is stopping you ;)
[03:20] <jdub> lyy: read the page i linked to above.
[03:20] <Demitar> lyy, consider the case where there are more than one person with elevated privileges.
[03:20] <no0tic> juan: you have to enable composite extension
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> Demitar: not to mention the case where there's one, and they should only need one password
[03:20] <AndyR> are the hoary snapshot iso's really updated on a sunday? :)
[03:20] <no0tic> juan: edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[03:21] <no0tic> juan: add Section "Extensions"
[03:21] <zAo^> how many fps in fgl_gears is normal for a R9600 Pro?
[03:21] <juan> oka thanks
[03:21] <juan> :P
[03:21] <ogra> AndyR: the isos are updated automatically.....
[03:21] <maliks> thanks demitar, that worked now how do i make it executable so that it runs everytime I switch on my Computer?
[03:21] <poolio> Phineas: For future reference if anyone asks, tell them to insmod the entire module tree.
[03:21] <maliks> And thanks phineas too
[03:21] <Demitar> HrdwrBoB, still one password can be slightly treacherous since cleartext passwords aren't quite eradicated yet.
[03:21] <Phineas> maliks, you're welcome - sorry for getting snippy
[03:21] <AndyR> orga, i had wondered :)
[03:21] <Demitar> maliks, chmod +x /etc/init.d/samba
[03:21] <Phineas> poolio, will do
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> Demitar: though we're talking about a desktop system for the most part
[03:22] <ogra> AndyR: the question is if someone made significant changes you will notice ;)
[03:22] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: *cough*
[03:22] <lyy> Demitar: i just don't like groups with admin power except for root
[03:22] <AndyR> like all broke
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> and a server system has less things that are likely to be plaintext
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> (in theory)
[03:22] <Demitar> maliks, but wether it's run is really run is controlled by /etc/rc.*/*
[03:23] <jdub> lyy: root is generally regarded as a bad centralisation of privileges.
[03:23] <lyy> jdub: explain why having only one person have admin powers is bad
[03:23] <jdub> lyy: ah, this is a different problem
[03:23] <duzchip> Anyone know how to start coding a terminal ?
[03:24] <Demitar> lyy, sudo doesn't dictate any policy on that matter.
[03:24] <jdub> lyy: root being superuser doesn't mean 'only one person has admin powers'. :)
[03:24] <AndyR> ogra, well i have done a daily on this comp and it seems ok so i will take my chances
[03:24] <duzchip> I wanna code my own rxtv or xterm or such
[03:24] <lyy> jdub: i'mt not going to let anyone on my system but me.
[03:24] <duzchip> buy i dont know how to start
[03:24] <lyy> jdub: i didn't say that
[03:24] <poolio> Phineas: By the way, "sda" is in /dev/scsi/hostX/bus0/target0/lun0/partX
[03:24] <jdub> lyy: awesome, so disabling the root account is sensible :)
[03:24] <Demitar> duzchip, do you have a good reason or just, "that would be fun"? :)
[03:24] <lyy> jdub: regardless of who has su powers, i feel there should only be 1.
[03:25] <jdub> lyy: on a default ubuntu install, only the first created user has full sudo privileges, and the root account is disabled. this is a better state of affairs.
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> ok well I have to go to bed - fiance whinges I spend more time on a computer than with her (which is true)
[03:25] <ogra> AndyR: go on :)
[03:25] <jdub> lyy: and means you're explicitly defining the policy you've just outlined.
[03:25] <lyy> jdub: i have to disagree. but to each their own.
[03:26] <piratePenguin> hrm.. I did 'adduser $USER dip', as instructed on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowto (I've su'd to root already) ... is that a mistake? when I look in /etc/passwd there is no dip user... should it just be 'adduser dip' ?
[03:26] <Demitar> lyy, but that doesn't scale in many real-world cases.
[03:26] <lyy> Demitar: i guess i'm just kinda ..annoyed
[03:27] <jdub> lyy: this is hardly something to be annoyed about.
[03:27] <gt500> backiez :D
[03:27] <lyy> Demitar: i don't really like to have groups created with certain privillages without my say so by default.
[03:27] <jdub> lyy: the full sudo privilege is assigned to a user, not a group.
[03:28] <lyy> ah i see
[03:28] <lyy> i guess i need more time in the manual with sudo
[03:28] <jdub> lyy: also, you would not be able to perform administrative functions on the system without a user having administrative rights.
[03:28] <jdub> at some stage, we will switch the default to a group, ala wheel.
[03:28] <lyy> i'm just so used to using su -
[03:28] <lyy> now i can't
[03:28] <jdub> but again, only one user will be added to that group
[03:28] <lyy> and it's a big change
[03:28] <jdub> so, better to learn why instead of lashing out :)
[03:28] <jdub> read www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[03:29] <nevyn> yeah I have the prescribed text.
[03:29] <lyy> nah, i just want to uninstall it
[03:29] <lyy> i don't need sudo
[03:29] <nevyn> arrg ww
[03:29] <RickA> hi all
[03:29] <Demitar> lyy, if you really want it I told you how to do that from the beginning. ;-)
[03:29] <RickA> i've just installed Ubuntu, and I have a few questions
[03:29] <Phineas> RickA, ask away
[03:30] <lyy> it's kinda cool tho. irssi was installed by default. most distro's don't have that
[03:30] <lyy> hehe
[03:30] <RickA> I've just mounted two Fat32 partitions under /mnt/documents and /mnt/storage
[03:30] <RickA> if I browse them in nautilus, there's a small lock on the folders
[03:30] <RickA> I was wondering what that meant
[03:30] <usual> no permission
[03:30] <Demitar> RickA, readonly.
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> that means you can't write to the documents
[03:30] <RickA> that's what I thought. How can I change that?
[03:31] <wrd> i have a quick question
[03:31] <wrd> how is the versioning system in ubuntu
[03:31] <RickA> it seems that I can write to the root of those partitions, but not to subdirectories
[03:31] <wrd> as i see in the packages-dists directory
[03:31] <wrd> there are hoary and warty
[03:31] <jdub> RickA: because fat32 doesn't understand multiple users, you have to mount it for your user - use uid=1000,gid=1000 in the fstab options
[03:31] <Demitar> lyy, since I now have more diskspace than I need the ubuntu way is preferable to the close scrunity on what packages I have installed I usually keep in debian with aptitude.
[03:31] <kbrooks> hiw do i use update-rc.d? i want a minimal example
[03:31] <wrd> which one is stable and whichone is unstable ?
[03:32] <jdub> wrd: year.month -> 4.10 == 2004.october
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> wrd: warty is stable
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> hoary is unstable
[03:32] <Phineas> wrd, each edition is given a name. Warty was the initial release, and hoary is the currently unstable one
[03:32] <wrd> thanks
[03:32] <jdub> wrd: hoary (will be 5.04) is the current devel branch
[03:32] <wrd> does anyone know wheter debian-ubuntu mixing works , or better said how well ?
[03:32] <kbrooks> wrd: DONT
[03:32] <jdub> wrd: we strongly discourage it - just use universe and multiverse :)
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> wrd: it's not recommended at al
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> *all
[03:32] <RickA> is the gid=1000 important? I've got the uid there already
[03:33] <jdub> RickA: yeah
[03:33] <Demitar> kbrooks, the manpage has some examples.
[03:33] <RickA> ok
[03:33] <wrd> the only package i want is X.org 6.8.x
[03:33] <RickA> so I just add the options, umount and mount?
[03:33] <jdub> wrd: not worth the pain.
[03:33] <jdub> RickA: yep
[03:33] <wrd> compiling myself is much more pain ;)
[03:33] <nir> anyone noticed that the language list in the installer is NOT sorted?
[03:34] <nir> at least in Hebrew
[03:34] <jdub> wrd: well, upgrade to the devel branch and help us test, or stick to the stable, supported release.
[03:34] <HrdwrBoB> wrd either go with hoary or use xfree until it comes out stable
[03:34] <jdub> nir: good bug :)
[03:34] <nir> could it be that the English list is translated as is?
[03:34] <wrd> the thing is i already have installed debian
[03:34] <RickA> no luck, the locks are still there
[03:35] <kbrooks> RickA, when you mount a fat32 partition, the keernel assigns an arbitrary uid and guid to all the files residing in the partition.
[03:35] <RickA> I'll reboot in a moment, see if that effects anything
[03:35] <RickA> ah
[03:35] <kbrooks> RickA, did you umount and mount?
[03:35] <RickA> yes
[03:35] <lyy> i ran glxgears and got 449 frames in 5.0 seconds = 89.800 FPS
[03:35] <lyy> is that pretty good or sad?
[03:35] <giard> lyy: sad
[03:36] <lyy> wtf
[03:36] <RickA> nope, there definately there
[03:36] <kbrooks> RickA, ...*adding to what i said about the kernel* effectively forcing you to mount and umount (?) as root
[03:36] <giard> lyy: what setup are you running?
[03:36] <lyy> i got a 256 graphics card with 640 ram
[03:36] <RickA> i did 'sudo mount /dev/hda2'
[03:36] <lyy> i got a 650 mhz system
[03:36] <RickA> and umount the same
[03:37] <RickA> i could try mount /mnt/documents?
[03:37] <linux-rulz> my Limewire is locking up occasionally and freezing, but it didn't do this under suse, i also tried two different JVMs and it still wouldnt work
[03:37] <kbrooks> RickA, mount -o remount, rw /dev/device
[03:37] <kbrooks> try that
[03:37] <RickA> sudo or not?
[03:37] <kbrooks> and you need to reopen nautiulus
[03:37] <kbrooks> sudo, yeah.
[03:37] <Xander> i ran glxgears and got: 7182.800 FPS
[03:37] <RickA> device should be hda2 I guess?
[03:38] <nir> do I need a separate account for ubuntu bugzilla and the community site?
[03:38] <piratePenguin> I can't get connected to isdn... http://rafb.net/paste/results/xv5Gbg93.html ... I'm following http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowto and it won't work
[03:38] <lyy> Xander: what's your setup?
[03:38] <kbrooks> RickA, JUST A EXAMPLE.
[03:38] <RickA> yeah, ok
[03:38] <kbrooks> RickA, fill the device in.
[03:38] <kbrooks> nir, iirc yes
[03:38] <RickA> it says:  you must specify the filesystem type
[03:38] <kinema> Does Ubuntu use the DI for its installer?  Are there any docs on installing on a nonsupported FS like Reiser4.
[03:38] <Demitar> kbrooks, please don't shout. It hurts my eyes. :)
[03:38] <kbrooks>  -t fat32, just before -o
[03:39] <Xander> ath XP 1600+ 256 ram and GeForce 4 with 8x agp
[03:39] <kbrooks> mount -t fat32 ...
[03:39] <lyy> Xander: maybe ubuntu didn't configure my nvidia card correctly?
[03:39] <Xander> it`s possible
[03:39] <Ng> is anyone rebuilding the marillat repository against ubuntu? I can't install a bunch of packages from it because of dependency problems
[03:40] <RickA> it says '/dev/hda2 not mounted already, or bad option'
[03:40] <RickA> I can browse it in nautilis,so I know it's mounted already
[03:40] <Demitar> Xander, if I hide the glxgears window completely I get 2200 fps, does that count? ;-)
[03:40] <kbrooks> RickA, delete the -o option.
[03:40] <kbrooks> mount -t fat32 /dev/device
[03:40] <Xander> lyy: see here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9289
[03:40] <lyy> brb. gotta reset my screen size. ubuntu's default is so freaking..high
[03:41] <Xander> i think ubuntu is great.. :-)
[03:41] <kbrooks> Xander, me too.
[03:41] <superted> kbrooks, me too.
[03:41] <kbrooks> heh.
[03:41] <RickA> that's not working
[03:41] <RickA> I get the help for mount
[03:42] <RickA> 'sudo mount -t fat32 /dev/hda2' is what I did
[03:42] <Demitar> I think ubuntu sucks.
[03:42] <Demitar>  Oh.. wait we were, praising it. I think ubuntu is great.
[03:42] <svenl> Mmm, are CD not supposed to be auto-mounted in ubuntu ? Or what else is the nautilus-window-popup when hand mounting usefull for ?
[03:42] <Xander> now i think about adding kadu to ubuntu repository
[03:42] <svenl> Demitar: get the real thing, namely debian :)
[03:42] <kbrooks> RickA, specify the folder you are mounting it on.
[03:42] <lyy> jdub: oh yeah now i know why i'm annoyed with sudo. i don't have access to root without using sudo initially.
[03:42] <RickA> yep, just saw that
[03:43] <RickA> now it's saying fat32 not supported by kernel
[03:43] <RickA> replace it with vfat?
[03:43] <lyy> Xander: thanks for the link
[03:43] <jdub> lyy: that's quite the point.
[03:43] <Demitar> svenl, never! I just switched from there! :) And besides, I had to upgrade to hoary within 24h to get ocaml 3.08. :)
[03:44] <svenl> Demitar: he.
[03:44] <Demitar> And I suspect you are the famous Super-OCaml-Maintainer-Man I keep seeing om caml-list. :)
[03:44] <scizzo> Demitar: ;)
[03:44] <kbrooks> lyy, you don't have access to root without using 'sudo su' or 'sudo -s -H' because the ubuntu development team decided that it is hard to maintain a root password, lest forget it
[03:44] <svenl> Demitar: that is loosy, ocaml 3.08 was in debian since august or so.
[03:44] <kent> Is discover used in warty/hoary? I never understood if hotplug and discover does the same thing.. ?
[03:44] <HappyFool> to use libc6-dbg do I do "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/debug" ?
[03:44] <svenl> Demitar: i am indeed. Just the ocaml maintainer though, been ages since i did real ocaml programing.
[03:44] <jdub> svenl: warty froze in june.
[03:45] <kbrooks> discover is a commandline hardware detection utility.
[03:45] <RickA> if I replace fat32 with vfat I get foot icons instead of folders in nautilus
[03:45] <jdub> kent: discover is briefly used in the warty installer
[03:45] <jdub> kent: but other than that, we're hotplug all the way.
[03:45] <kbrooks> hotplug - Linux hotplugging support scripts
[03:45] <buga> w
[03:45] <kbrooks> copying and pasting
[03:46] <kent> jdub, so hoary will not use it? or will it be used in that installer aswell? i upgraded to hoary using apt, so i didn't see the hoary installer :(
[03:46] <jdub> kent: don't think it does, no.
[03:46] <wrd> what is the difference between universe and multiverse ?
[03:47] <Demitar> wrd, multiverse has restrictive licenses.
[03:47] <jdub> wrd: universe is like debian main (all free software), multiverse is like debian contrib/non-free.
[03:47] <RickA> kbrooks: any other ideas?
[03:48] <Demitar> It's neat that we are all so eager to answer questions people usually get 2-3 answers. :)
[03:48] <wrd> thanks very much
[03:49] <RickA> :D
[03:49] <wrd> youre a great help
[03:49] <wrd> understandig the strange names of ubuntu :)
[03:50] <Demitar> I just realized I know annoyingly much about ubuntu specifics for having installed it on friday. It tells me I've gotten far too little code written.. :)
[03:51] <_4strO> est un mod ?
[03:51] <svenl> jdub: ah.
[03:53] <wrd> can someone give me a sources.list statement for ubuntu ?
[03:54] <kerskine> good morning from boston
[03:55] <kbrooks> wrd: warty?
[03:55] <kbrooks> hoary?
[03:55] <wrd> hoary
[03:55] <seth_slackware> hey
[03:55] <jdub> kerskine: nice'n'warm there, i hear. :)
[03:55] <wrd> deb http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/ubuntu/ hoary universe
[03:55] <kbrooks> ok. i'll send you one, but wy o you want to upgrade to hoary?
[03:56] <kbrooks> why* do*
[03:56] <wrd> i wanna get x.org
[03:56] <kbrooks> that all?
[03:56] <kerskine> jdub: yeah - as long as you stay indoors :)
[03:56] <wrd> jep
[03:56] <kbrooks> nope, sorry, not sending you it.
[03:56] <wrd> whats the reason ?
[03:56] <kerskine> jdub: I let the dog out this morning and she disappeared into a snow drift
[03:56] <jdub> kerskine: toasty hot here in sydney, australia. even at 2am. :)
[03:57] <eCreations> hey does anyone have some screenshots of this "ubuntu" ?
[03:57] <kbrooks> the reason: wanting a development version of ubuntu "just because you want xorg" is not a good reason.
[03:57] <olorin> jdub, kerskine , here just coffee break in Belgium :p
[03:57] <macewan> eCreations: head over to the forums
[03:57] <jdub> eCreations: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/screenshots
[03:58] <SirPsy> crimsun, are you awake ?
[03:58] <wrd> basically i could just rip x.org with its depencies out of hoary ...
[03:58] <eCreations> thank you so much jdub
[03:58] <kbrooks> eCreations, ;)
[03:58] <SirPsy> i found the way to fix my problem with the e100 driver
[03:58] <Ng> how come bash doesn't tab complete normally if you start a command with sudo?
[03:58] <macewan> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=240 also
[03:58] <Ng> also, grr at whoever wrote the inputrc for not enabling the ones that let you jump a word at a time ;)
[03:58] <SirPsy> i had to blacklist the eepro100 module after that i could setup linkspeed with ethtool and all worked fine
[03:58] <Demitar> Ng, since it doesn't know about sudo.
[03:58] <kbrooks> wrd: use backports, but delete them BEFORE you upgrade to hoary
[03:58] <malte`> Ng, you must enable bash-completion
[03:59] <Ng> malte`: the bash programmable completion is just as bad, it breaks all kinds of things ;)
[03:59] <Ng> Demitar: it doesn't need to really
[03:59] <Ng> if you're typing a path you should be able to tab complete it
[03:59] <Demitar> Ng, paths are tab-completed, programs are only tab-completed as the first arg.
[03:59] <kbrooks> don't mix backports and hoary, because if you do, you will break your ubuntu installation, requiring a reinstallation
[04:00] <eCreations> is ubuntu the preffered choice of linux software?
[04:00] <Ng> Demitar: hmm, in that case it could do with a patch that will complete programs if the first arg is just sudo
[04:00] <jdub> eCreations: being ubuntu users and developers, we prefer it. ;)
[04:00] <jancker> lol
[04:00] <jancker> :)
[04:01] <eCreations> well currently im a windows xp pro user but i am tired of windows
[04:01] <pw> Hmm.
[04:01] <jdub> Demitar: note that this was in reference to a new user installing badly built backports and the prospect of them upgrading to hoary afterwards.
[04:01] <kbrooks> Demitar, backports (hoary to warty) + hoary = hell.
[04:01] <pw> Bitmap font question.
[04:02] <spiral> eCreations: that's a normal feeling :-p
[04:02] <pw> What might be stopping my bitmap fonts from displaying properly?
[04:02] <giard> eCreations: depends on what you want to do.  Mac OS X is decent.  Ubuntu is probably the easiest to use Linux
[04:02] <scrooch> my network card is detected just fine during installation of warty and hoary and dhcp works ok. when the computer reboots to continue installation the network card suddenly isn't recognised anymore
[04:02] <eCreations> so ubuntu should be my first choice?
[04:02] <kbrooks> jdub, and that was me. :P
[04:02] <Demitar> jdub, yes, that's what the ":)" was there for. :)
[04:02] <kbrooks> ....right? :)
[04:02] <pw> I can see *some* sizes of font, but I can't see all of them.
[04:02] <spiral> eCreations: hmmm... This sounds as a good choice... But you'll maybe have it hard with configuration
[04:02] <jdub> eCreations: there are many to choose from, but it's unlikely that we'd recommend something else here.
[04:03] <scrooch> while i have  avery normal asus k8n deluxe motherboard with an onboard network car
[04:03] <Demitar> Ng, although probably something more intelligent and programmable so that it can parse find -exec and xargs etc.
[04:03] <kbrooks> scrooch, are you sure you installed the right linux kernel
[04:03] <macewan> anyone know the correct name of the image used for the volume applet?
[04:03] <kbrooks> try upgrading.
[04:03] <scrooch> kbrooks, how do you mean?
[04:03] <scrooch> kbrooks, i just got the stock kernel
[04:03] <Ng> Demitar: yeah. I used the programmable completion for a while and found it generally made tab complete more annoying because there were way more of these corner cases where it just doesn't understand what's happening ;)
[04:04] <PWM> hile, I have installed ubuntu on my new laptop (my first experience with linux), but I can't get my internet to work... I've tried to let ubuntu set it up (using automatic dhcp) and I've tried to use the settings I'm using now in windows... are there anything I might have missed?
[04:04] <kbrooks> scrooch, i *think* (at least i THINK) that you got the wrong version
[04:04] <PWM> oops, that should have been "Hi, I..." :)
[04:04] <scrooch> kbrooks, im trying to figure out which versions are available
[04:07] <cavediver> What's the command to start mencoder?
[04:07] <spiral> cavediver: mencoder ? :-p
[04:08] <cavediver> spiral: It's not working here.
[04:08] <cavediver> clear
[04:08] <cavediver> oops...
[04:08] <cavediver> root@ubuntu:/home/jonas # dpkg -l|grep mencoder
[04:08] <cavediver> ii  mencoder-amd64 1.0-pre5-0.6ub MPlayer's Movie Encoder
[04:08] <cavediver> root@ubuntu:/home/jonas # mencoder
[04:08] <cavediver> bash: mencoder: command not found
[04:09] <quitte> hi. i have to rebuild xlibmesa-dri on hoary to get dri support on savage. can someone tell me how to configure the source pkg?
[04:09] <spiral> cavediver: have you installed it ?
[04:11] <quitte> bah! mesa in hoary is old
[04:11] <piratePenguin> http://rafb.net/paste/results/Q5uBCV41.html ... whats wrong?
[04:12] <Ng> cavediver: dpkg -L mencoder-amd64 | grep bin    - that will show you the binaries it has installed
[04:12] <cavediver> Ng: ok will try that
[04:13] <majik|lap> is the hoary repo good enough to, say, dist-upgrade it with apt-get?  warty --dist-upgrade-> hoary
[04:13] <cavediver> Ohh nice.. no rows returned :)
[04:13] <quitte> majik|lap: i had no problems going from sid to hoary
[04:14] <Ng> cavediver: looking at mine, the mencoder binary is actually in the mplayer-amd64 package ;)
[04:15] <majik|lap> quitte:  ah, cool
[04:15] <firstknight> Hi, I try to unmount the usb storage but it said the device is busy.... busy with what?
[04:15] <cavediver> Ng: ohh k. That makes no sense to me but thanks.
[04:16] <majik|lap> quitte: Ubuntu doesn't rely at all on debian's apt repo's, does it?
[04:16] <cavediver> Ng: haven't been able to install mplayer on my machine
[04:16] <Ng> cavediver: they're very closely related programs and come from the same source, so I guess the package is being built wrong ;)
[04:16] <majik|lap> quitte: or at least by default
[04:16] <cavediver> Ng: Why isn't mplayer in warty ? :(
[04:17] <piratePenguin> http://rafb.net/paste/results/Q5uBCV41.html ... why cant I connect to the net? I followed the instructions from: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowto
[04:17] <quitte> majik yes - as far as i know. but i'm using ubuntu only for an hour now
[04:17] <Ng> cavediver: as far as I know it's not in because it includes codecs that aren't necessarily legal, or compatible with ubuntu's Freedom policies
[04:17] <majik|lap> yikes.  this laptop's battery is draining quick!  i better go hook it up
[04:18] <cavediver> Ng: I see. To bad. I like VNC but it seems to have problems playing some vmw movies.
[04:19] <Ng> cavediver: well you're particularly screwed on amd64 because you can't use the windows wmv codec through wine (which is mostly what mplayer would be doing I think)
[04:19] <quitte> cavediver and what's wrong with xine?
[04:19] <majik|lap> quitte: ah, I see
[04:19] <Ng> xine has a horrible interface ;)
[04:19] <quitte> Ng xine has a million interfaces to choose from
[04:19] <ogra> Ng: xine has a totem interface
[04:20] <quitte> Ng i guess you are talking about xine-ui
[04:20] <Ng> ogra: indeed, but that breaks ubuntu depenedencies
[04:20] <Ng> quitte: I dislike skin based UIs, which counts out most of xine's interfaces.
[04:20] <duzchip> try typing: sudo apt-get install ssystem
[04:20] <duzchip> it's quite cool
[04:20] <ogra> only ubuntu-desktop which is only important if you upgrade between distributions
[04:21] <quitte> Ng compile mplayer deb yourself then. it comes with a debian/rules dir by default.
[04:21] <Ng> quitte: I did already :)
[04:22] <quitte> couldn'T fetch http://.......automake... size mismatch :(
[04:22] <quitte> i translated size mismatch myself so it could be a slightly different error.
[04:22] <quitte> but what can i do about it?
[04:28] <piratePenguin> does anyone here use isdn?
[04:30] <offbyone> g'morning.
[04:30] <SuSE|UsER> YaY ;)
[04:30] <falkar> hi guys
[04:30] <offbyone> I'm trying to grok how to determine what the prefix (as in ./configure --prefix=) for an apt package is so that I can upgrade it outside of the normal apt-method.
[04:30] <SuSE|UsER> Hi
[04:30] <offbyone> How would I do that?
[04:31] <Ng> offbyone: do you want to overwrite the files that are already there? or install it into a new location?
[04:31] <offbyone> overwrite
[04:31] <Ng> the prefix will be /usr then
[04:31] <offbyone> Okay
[04:31] <offbyone> That's a bit odd, mind you -- why the underuse of /usr/local?
[04:32] <offbyone> (I'm new to this distribution, so I'm trying to get a handle on the operational philosophy)
[04:32] <Ng>  /usr/local is for things you install by hand really
[04:32] <offbyone> I see
[04:32] <offbyone> I suppose that makes for a fairly clear separation of things. I always use /opt, myself, at least for binary apps :/
[04:32] <Ng> this is the way pretty much all linux distros work
[04:33] <cyberdude> waazaaa
[04:33] <cyberdude> who feels like helping
[04:33] <cyberdude> :)
[04:34] <Ng> cyberdude: that depends on what the problem is ;)
[04:34] <anTiXX> cyberdude: if I can. after 2 days of ubuntu :)
[04:35] <cyberdude> alright then
[04:35] <PWM_> ...not me, I'm having enough problems to solve (which I can't...) :(
[04:35] <pw> offbyone: Ubuntu will not touch anything you put in /usr/local
[04:35] <pw> It's yours.
[04:35] <cyberdude> i think its pretty simple
[04:35] <spiral> hmmm... isn't it a problem while dist-upgrading with samba ?
[04:35] <spiral> (under hoary)
[04:35] <cyberdude> i installed ubuntu on my laptop
[04:35] <pw> Here's a thing.
[04:36] <pw> How can I put the trash can back on my desktop?
[04:36] <pw> I deleted it :\
[04:36] <pw> (ironic, I know)
[04:36] <Ng> spiral: dist-upgrade later, it's probably part way through package changes
[04:36] <spiral> pw: gnome ?
[04:36] <pw> Yes, GNOME :)
[04:36] <cyberdude> but the screen goes all messy when it starts xserver
[04:36] <jdub> pw: the desktop icon, or the panel applet?
[04:36] <pw> I've got the panel applet, but I've nuked my icon.
[04:37] <pw> <-- silli
[04:37] <anTiXX> cyberdude: were you able to boot it using the live-CD?
[04:37] <jdub> pw: gconf-editor, /apps/nautilus/general
[04:37] <pw> Cheers. I'll find it :)
[04:37] <cyberdude> it's a refresh rate problem
[04:37] <pw> jdub: sorted, cheers.
[04:37] <SuSE|UsER> Can someone upgrade libsmbclient (Hoary)? I can't :/
[04:37] <cyberdude> but on my config file generic monitor is selected
[04:38] <pw> And now I return my attention to bitmap fonts.
[04:38] <cyberdude> but my laptop istft
[04:38] <anTiXX> cyberdude: I'm using tft on my desktop
[04:38] <pw> I can select the very smallest Terminus font, but I can't get the bold variation; I can select a bold version of the 12px size, but not the non-bold.
[04:39] <cyberdude> what settings will work with my laptop screen
[04:39] <offbyone> redfun, My earlier questions: How safe is it to use Debian packages (I'm thinking specifically of Subversion here) on Warty?
[04:39] <Ng> offbyone: depends on the package
[04:39] <cyberdude> my picture keeps scrolling like is off sync
[04:39] <pw> And here's fun: I can get the size I want with xfontsel.
[04:39] <offbyone> (ignore the "redfun" -- that was supposed to be "re:")
[04:40] <offbyone> Ng, I mean the Debian package of Subversion from Debian sid
[04:40] <Ng> offbyone: it might work :)
[04:40] <Ng> offbyone: it might want to remove half your packages and set the rest on fire ;)
[04:40] <offbyone> Yeah
[04:40] <offbyone> That was what I figured.
[04:40] <offbyone> Damn.
[04:40] <ogra> offbyone: dont mix with debian.....you wont have fun with that
[04:40] <offbyone> Source it is.
[04:40] <LostMonk> how do i get the mplayer plugin for firefox?
[04:41] <PWM_> I use a cable modem for connecting to the internet, but when I installed ubuntu it wouldn't detect the connection... and I can't get my internet to work in ubuntu. I've tried to configure it using "automativ (dhcp)" and also using "manual" but it doesn't work - can someone help me? :)
[04:41] <Ng> offbyone: you could grab the debian package source and rebuild that
[04:41] <ogra> offbyone: building from source may work if you can satisfy the build dependencys
[04:41] <Ng> yeah, what ogra said ;)
[04:41] <offbyone> How does that work, anyway? If I upgrade from source, and then later a package comes out, what happens? I've done that with Ruby already, because the Warty version is, well, warty.
[04:42] <Guardiann> PWM thats very strange I found Ubuntu one of the better ones for finding connections
[04:42] <Ng> offbyone: it's unlikely warty would change enough for there to be a problem, but at some point you might find that apt doesn't want to upgrade because something is depending on the package you built, in which case you remove it, let apt upgrade and then build the package again
[04:43] <LinuxJones> PWM_, have you tried using network-admin ?
[04:43] <superkitty> has anyone had problems doing a dist-upgrade with hoary?
[04:43] <PWM_> LinuxJones, I think I have...
[04:43] <ogra> offbyone: you can lock packages with synaptic if you fear it will get overwritten, if you upgrade to hoary later i think you will want the new hoary version, so just unlock it
[04:44] <Ng> superkitty: quite a few people have mentioned it in the last few minutes
[04:44] <Ng> so it would seem likely
[04:44] <LinuxJones> PWM_, in terminal sudo -s (enter your password) then do network-admin
[04:45] <ogra> superkitty: which arch ?
[04:45] <Guardiann> dist-upgrade that i did was a few days ago worked pefectly
[04:45] <superkitty> 386
[04:45] <offbyone> Ng, ogra: The problem is that Svn is notorious for ugly upgrades -- the repository format isn't rock-solid, especially the DB type. So it's a bit of a pain.
[04:45] <piratePenguin> no offence to anyone, but the mISDN howto @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowto is completely crap :p
[04:45] <ogra> offbyone: ever tried arch or bazaar ?
[04:46] <PWM_> LinuxJones, yeah, I've used that one... both with manual configuration and automatic configuration - none of them seem to work
[04:46] <ogra> piratePenguin: i wrote it, whats wrong with it ?
[04:46] <offbyone> ogra, no. And, frankly, I don't really intend to. Svn integrates w/ Eclipse, and has every VC feature I need.
[04:46] <Ng> offbyone: might be an idea to stick with the subversion that's in warty maybe?
[04:46] <offbyone> (ie: mopd_dav_svn is the new black)
[04:46] <piratePenguin> ogra: I *cannot* get it to work... Don't I need to install capi* binaries? (like capiinit etc..)?
[04:47] <offbyone> Ng, The problem is, the svn version in Warty is a bit fragile -- the repository format isn't too solid, and there are security issues that have been fixed in later versions.
[04:47] <LinuxJones> PWM_, set it to use dhcp then /etc/init.d/networking restart
[04:47] <superkitty> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[04:47] <ogra> piratePenguin: it works as described on my test systems here.. (and on mvo's as well)
[04:47] <Ng> offbyone: ah :)
[04:47] <offbyone> I want to get up to date on that, since it is essentially the whole purpose for the existence of the server :)
[04:47] <PWM_> LinuxJones, ok, I'll try that, thanks
[04:47] <Ng> superkitty: hoary upgrades not working is pretty much par for the course, it'll probably be fixed soon
[04:47] <ogra> piratePenguin: no guarantee for hoary though, since upstream seems dead
[04:48] <piratePenguin> ogra: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Q5uBCV41.html ... btw, do you have capiinit ?
[04:48] <superkitty> hoary is dual booted with warty on my box so it isnt a huge deal, just curious
[04:48] <Hethh> hello people :)
[04:49] <Heth> :)
[04:49] <samurai> does anyone know how to set the default size of gnome-terminal without using a shell-wrapper
[04:49] <DragoraN> hi
[04:49] <scrooch> stfu
[04:49] <DragoraN> what is the root password after install?
[04:49] <scrooch> none
[04:50] <piratePenguin> samurai: I think that can be done with Xauthority files...
[04:50] <DragoraN> none?
[04:50] <scrooch> none
[04:50] <kent> DragoraN, its sort of your own password, since ubuntu dont have a root account.
[04:50] <DragoraN> it asks me password
[04:50] <ogra> piratePenguin: its important that everything is in the described order and that you have absolutely no (obsolete) hisax stuff loaded
[04:50] <piratePenguin> DragoraN: use 'sudo'
[04:50] <DragoraN> sudo?
[04:50] <scrooch> dont have Kent? learn english
[04:50] <DragoraN> no root account?
[04:50] <piratePenguin> man sudo
[04:50] <superkitty> Dragon no root account
[04:50] <Ng> samurai: --geometry
[04:50] <Xenguy> DragoraN: there's a web site, and a FAQ :-)
[04:50] <jdub> DragoraN: root is disabled by default, see -> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[04:50] <samurai> piratePenguin: I'll have to check... It should be settable for the profile or within gconf, but no dice
[04:51] <superkitty> dragon what are you trying to accomplish
[04:51] <DragoraN> i dont want to put everythere sudo and always asking for password! its dummy
[04:51] <Ng> DragoraN: then set a root password
[04:51] <kent> DragoraN, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:51] <piratePenguin> ogra: right.. I'll try again soon.. thanks
[04:51] <DragoraN> ok
[04:51] <jdub> DragoraN: sudo su -
[04:51] <samurai> Ng: gemoetry works fine if you create from another window or want a shellwrapper, but when I right click in the desktop and select open terminal it would be nice to be the right size
[04:51] <jdub> DragoraN: don't set a root password :)
[04:51] <superkitty> dragon there is a good start guide that will tell you how to make a root account
[04:51] <thenuke> DragoraN: sudo -s -H gives you root shell
[04:51] <ogra> piratePenguin: i assumer you are on warty
[04:51] <ogra> -r
[04:52] <Ng> samurai: ah, I see what you mean. not sure then, sorry ;)
[04:52] <DragoraN> will it ask for password?
[04:52] <jdub> DragoraN: yes.
[04:52] <kent> scrooch, i think i know enough english for people to atleast understand enough of what i want to say,  and thanks for being polite btw.
[04:52] <DragoraN> and what is the password?
[04:52] <jdub> your password, as explained on the above linked page.
[04:52] <samurai> Ng: thanks anyway... it should be easy to do and find, but it hasn't been so far
[04:52] <superkitty> the password is your user password
[04:52] <ogra> piratePenguin: the isdn stuff for hoary isnt completely sorted yet..... but we will have the original avm drivers in there
[04:52] <LostMonk> once again
[04:53] <LostMonk> where is the mplayer plugin
[04:53] <DragoraN> i c, ok.. thx..
[04:53] <DragoraN> :)
[04:53] <DragoraN> bye
[04:53] <Ng> LostMonk: multiverse
[04:53] <DragoraN> wtf
[04:53] <DragoraN> 16:51:04  [ Cy909 ]  how can I mount cd , Xserver wont recognize cdrom :(
[04:53] <DragoraN> 16:51:12  [ Cy909 ]  can u help me ?
[04:53] <DragoraN> ?
[04:53] <DragoraN> on private..
[04:53] <piratePenguin> ogra: haven't got a clue what warty means.... but I've seen it somwhere on my pc, so yea, I think so
[04:54] <offbyone> LostMonk, Wiki + forum search + google == no reason to repeat questions. I believe what you are looking for is found in the forums, specifically, although the link eludes me at the moment.
[04:54] <ogra> piratePenguin: warty is the current release, hoary is the current development branch
[04:54] <offbyone> (I'd hunt for it, but I'm in the midst of something else)
[04:54] <offbyone> I can assure you that it does work, though -- I have said plugin set up.
[04:54] <piratePenguin> ogra: oh.. well then I must be on warty
[04:54] <ogra> :)
[04:55] <LostMonk> mepis has it automatyically, thats why i was asking
[04:55] <LostMonk> thought maybe i just neede to activate it
[04:55] <offbyone> As I recall, no
[04:55] <quitte> anyone got an idea how to use mesacvs with hoary?#
[04:56] <offbyone> I think there's a repository you can add to your sources.list that will have it, though -- try the RestrictedFormats page on the Wiki
[04:56] <quitte> i need it for dri
[04:56] <quitte> got it working when i compiled xorg and mesa from cvs myself - but i'd prefer to build debs of mesa
[04:57] <quitte> xorg from hoary should work with mesacvs
[04:57] <nevyn> can someone running hoary tell me if stratagus is in universe?
[04:58] <Quest-Master> Is Hoary pretty stable now?
[04:58] <Ng> that's a dangerous question ;)
[04:58] <Quest-Master> hehe
[04:58] <Quest-Master> I want X.Org, Composite, and Expocity badly.
[04:58] <Ng> it doesn't have a release stamp on it, so no, it's not stable, even if it is, because someone could break it tomorrow even though it's fine today ;)
[04:58] <Quest-Master> :P
[04:59] <Ng> it's not *that* long till it's out :)
[04:59] <pw> I've got X.org in Hoary, dunno about composite and the other thing, tho.
[04:59] <Ng> pw: lets you have transparent windows
[04:59] <nevyn> x.org provides composite
[04:59] <pw> Ooh.
[04:59] <Demitar> The real question is: If it breaks, can you fix it?
[04:59] <pw> Well, I've deffo got x.org.
[04:59] <jdub> Quest-Master: it's all very slow, dude.
[05:00] <pw> So how do I make things translucent?
[05:00] <Ng> no idea, I've never bothered to try ;)
[05:00] <jdub> you have to enable composite, run xcompmgr, or another composite manager
[05:01] <duzchip> what do i type to pack three .php files into a .zip-file?
[05:02] <aethera> tar -cf  file1 file2 file3?
[05:02] <duzchip> thanks
[05:04] <nevyn> transparency isn't wrong.. but composite is.
[05:05] <AndyR> bit ofsplit net
[05:05] <vpalle> cant get java working in firefox :/ followed the guide..
[05:05] <vpalle> (application/x-java-vm)
[05:08] <sulkd> gnome cd creator is a joke
[05:08] <tuhl> (synaptic:11440): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_label_set_use_underline: assertion `GTK_IS_LABEL (label)' failed
[05:08] <tuhl> what is the reason for that?
[05:08] <sulkd> just thought I'd let you all know before someone gets hurt
[05:08] <tuhl> any solution?
[05:09] <aethera> sulkd: gtoaster?
[05:09] <scoon> sulkd, they are all frontends to cdrecord.
[05:09] <scoon> sulkd, why not pull up a man page and just use cdrecord CLI
[05:09] <vpalle> anyone having java working with firefox?
[05:10] <scoon> vpalle, yes
[05:10] <scoon> vpalle, http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html
[05:11] <sulkd> scoon: why waste time tracking down cdrecord's 130 fixme switches when I could just boot into windows and use nero
[05:11] <macewan> vpalle: yup
[05:11] <vpalle> hmm.. ive followed the guide
[05:11] <macewan> which one
[05:11] <scoon> sulkd, for starters i don't dual boot.  linux is it.  and has been for over 6yrs.
[05:11] <jdub> sulkd: luckily, most people have never had to face cdrecord when using nautilus-cd-burner
[05:12] <scoon> cdrecord is not bad at all.
[05:12] <macewan> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15 :)
[05:12] <sulkd> scoon, great scots.. it's been 8 years here started with redhat 4.2, kiddo
[05:12] <scoon> sulkd, well i am sorry that you dual boot then .
[05:12] <aethera> sulkd: is it gtoaster?
[05:12] <scoon> sulkd, still.
[05:12] <sulkd> jdub: yeah.. nautilus-cd-burner just gets to me sometimes.. like when it dies in the middle of a dvd recording session
[05:12] <sulkd> aethera, no it isnt gtoaster
[05:13] <aethera> ah ok
[05:13] <zen_> what do i need to apt-get to play mp3's on rhythmbox?
[05:14] <LinuxJones> zen_, gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:14] <no0tic> brb
[05:14] <kent> does Hoary come with a decent bittorrent client? Azureus have started to be very buggy right niw
[05:15] <aethera> kent: I use bittornado
[05:15] <sulkd> scoon, the problem with cdrecord is that it isn't really a piece of application software, it's more a frontend's engine anyway... since the developer made no effort at all to make any choices for the user, but just mirrored the available options provided by the ioctl interface of the drivers and just pile on the options.. no man should ever have to get that intimate with his cdrw/dvdr recorder just to backup some data
[05:15] <LinuxJones> kent, I like bittornado-gui
[05:15] <zen_> LinuxJones: thanks
[05:15] <scoon> sulkd, how hard is this: cdrecord dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdc foo.iso
[05:17] <blair> I am having problems with OpenGL on a Radeon PCI card, can anyone help me?
[05:17] <scoon> scoon, and for dvd burning i use growisofs.  all works just fine here.
[05:17] <Quest-Master> Does wxPython use GTK2 in Hoary?
[05:17] <Quest-Master> In Warty, wx still uses GTK1.x :(
[05:17] <scoon> oops.  i mean sulkd.   ha.
[05:17] <sulkd> scoon: not too hard, but that wouldn't work very well on my system.. plus, I'd have to mkisofs
[05:17] <sulkd> scoon, I'll grant you, growisofs is allright in my book
[05:18] <sulkd> scoon, and yes I realize it is a frontend for cdcrecord
[05:18] <scoon> sulkd, eh.  if you like the one, then you could like them both.
[05:18] <scoon> sulkd, all right.  lets just agree to disagree then.  this is sorta silly.
[05:18] <kent> LinuxJones, how does it work? when i start it from the menu i get a dialog asking me to load a .torrent-file, but i want to download one, i dont have one on my drive..
[05:20] <sulkd> kent: the .torrent file isn't really what you want bittorrent to get, it's the file that describes the tracker and the media you really want.. so just download the .torrent and load it into your bttorrent client..
[05:20] <aethera> omg
[05:20] <Quest-Master> Anyone?
[05:20] <aethera> kent: RTFM
[05:20] <Quest-Master> Anyone used a program that uses wxWidgets or wxPython?
[05:20] <blair> Can anyone help me with OpenGL on a Radeon card?
[05:20] <isa> hello
[05:21] <LinuxJones> kent, you need to right click the .torrent file and go open with usr/bin/btdownloadgui.bittornado
[05:21] <pw> blair: Perhaps. Tell me about your setup. Card? Version of Ubuntu?
[05:21] <isa> I have to run the following script to connect to the internet: sudo /usr/sbin/pptp 10.0.0.138 file /etc/ppp/options.adsl
[05:22] <isa> Is there somewhere I can put this so it comes up automatically?
[05:22] <isa> Alternatively I've tried to make a launcher with gksudo but it doesn't work.
[05:23] <aethera> I need to redo my machine
[05:23] <blair> pw: I am running warty, with a PIII.  The motherboard has intergrated graphics (i810), so I had to manually set up the card (location,driver, all pretty easy)
[05:23] <piratePenguin> ogra: still cant get misdn workin ... could it be my devices? I have /dev/capi20 and /dev/capi/<loada num's> ...
[05:23] <F0CUS> hi
[05:23] <blair> pw:The card is a Radeon 8250 PCI
[05:23] <pw> Have you got the fglrx-driver package installed with the appropriate restricted modules package for your kernel?
[05:24] <F0CUS> can anyone help me, I am trying to map my windows drive under Ubuntu
[05:24] <blair> It works, except it is still running OpenGL as Mesa GLX instead of through the card
[05:24] <marcin_ant> hello - short question - does ubuntu support nptl ?
[05:24] <kbrooks> F0CUS, and?
[05:24] <isa> Essentially I want to set it up so my user can get on the interet without cutting an pasting text into a terminal.
[05:24] <pw> F0CUS: Here's a clue: /dev/hda5               /mnt/music              vfat    defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002    0       0
[05:24] <aethera> pw :)
[05:24] <kbrooks> pw, not helpful
[05:24] <pw> That's a line from my fstab that mounts a FAT32 partition.
[05:24] <blair> pw: I followed the wiki instructions (installed driver, etc)
[05:24] <aethera> hiya mate
[05:25] <F0CUS> I don't know how :/
[05:25] <kbrooks> pw, he is a noob
[05:25] <F0CUS> and can't find any documentation on the net
[05:25] <kbrooks> lemme help
[05:25] <pw> F0CUS: Cut'n'paste that, fix up for your partition and mount point.
[05:25] <kbrooks> pw!
[05:25] <kbrooks> Leave the noob alone.
[05:25] <F0CUS> come on man...
[05:25] <kbrooks> I'll help him.
[05:25] <F0CUS> thx
[05:25] <LinuxJones> F0CUS, have a peek @ the Ubuntu Guide >> http://ubuntuguide.org
[05:25] <aethera> F0CUS: man mount
[05:25] <piratePenguin> /msh NickServ IDENTIFY ColdMail
[05:25] <kbrooks> pw, and besides, you arent being helpful
[05:26] <aethera> ooooh
[05:26] <F0CUS> oki
[05:26] <pw> kbrooks: Apart from telling him exactly what to do, that is.
[05:26] <F0CUS> ah, "man mount", should have thought of that :*
[05:26] <aethera> that was a invitation
[05:26] <F0CUS> thx
[05:26] <F0CUS> I did already read the entire guide though...
[05:26] <aethera> kbrooks: change your password mate
[05:26] <F0CUS> brb
[05:26] <F0CUS> thx
[05:27] <RickA> hi
[05:27] <pw> blair: At what point is it crapping out? Is it failing to detect the card?
[05:27] <kbrooks> aethera, MY password? why?
[05:27] <aethera> lol well the piratePenguin d00d
[05:27] <RickA> is it possible to disable the spatial views in gnome in ubuntu?
[05:27] <blair> no, the card works, Hardware rendering isn't
[05:27] <pw> gotcha
[05:27] <pw> is the module loaded?
[05:27] <giard> RickA: yes
[05:28] <blair> I can't figure out why, or more importantly, how to fix it
[05:28] <RickA> i've tried gconf-editor -> apps -> nautilus-> preferences options, but they don't seem to have any effect
[05:28] <blair> yes, fglrx module is loaded (ran a command from the wiki to find out)
[05:28] <RickA> not even after a reboot, or a gnome restart (ctrl+alt+backspace
[05:28] <giard> RickA: In nautilus... preferences->behavior->Always open in brwoser windows
[05:28] <pw> blair: join me in #flood
[05:28] <blair> k
[05:28] <RickA> giard: yeah, that's what I found, but it's not doing anything
[05:28] <runenes> Can I find a laptop with a 3d card other than ati?
[05:28] <kbrooks> aethera, ok, but i wasnt gonna hack him.
[05:29] <aethera> I should really start brushing up on my .net stuff
[05:29] <giard> RickA: not sure what to tell you... what version are you running?
[05:29] <RickA> gnome or ubuntu?
[05:30] <kbrooks> RickA, for ubuntu its either hoary or warty
[05:30] <HetIsLarsje> zuit
[05:30] <HetIsLarsje> quit
[05:30] <RickA> warty
[05:31] <tuhl> why does the installation of nautilus-sendto in hoary fail?
[05:31] <RickA> the standard. I downloaded it the day before yesterday or so. Haven't changed anything, although I think the setup automatically updates everything if you let it
[05:31] <aethera> gnome is way to slow
[05:31] <kbrooks> aethera,
[05:31] <aethera> kbrooks:
[05:32] <kbrooks> aethera, what are the directions to change the nickserv password?
[05:33] <aethera> kbrooks: /msg nickserv help
[05:33] <calamari> hi
[05:33] <calamari> is there a way to forcue umount to unmount a drive, even if it's busy and would cause errors?
[05:33] <calamari> force
[05:33] <aethera> umount -f
[05:33] <kbrooks> calamari, man mount
[05:33] <kbrooks> umount*
[05:34] <calamari>  -f     Causes everything to be done except for the actual system  call;
[05:34] <calamari> kbrooks: fyi I did read the manual..
[05:35] <usynic> does ubuntu use the same installer as debian, or are there some imrovements?
[05:35] <aethera> usynic: some improvemebts
[05:35] <aethera> but basicly the same
[05:35] <usynic> could you elaborate on the improvements?
[05:35] <Quest-Master> Are the Ubuntu Forums down?
[05:36] <aethera> usynic: its alot slower
[05:36] <calamari> umount -f /dev/fd0  umount2: Device or resource busy  umount: /dev/fd0: not mounted  umount: /media/floppy0: Illegal seek  umount2: Device or resource busy  umount: /media/floppy0: device is busy
[05:36] <aethera> still console tho
[05:36] <F0CUS> got it ^_^ thx!
[05:36] <usynic> aethera, would you say it's easier than the debian installer (even if it is still console) ?
[05:36] <calamari> wow.. removing a floppy is a lot of work :)
[05:36] <aethera> kill the application that is using the drive
[05:37] <calamari> aethera: I don't think any are using the drive.. is there a way to find out which one is?
[05:37] <aethera> brb
[05:37] <aethera> gonna have a shower
[05:37] <pw> calamari: lsof
[05:37] <usynic> aethera, I'm trying to convince a newbie that it will be easier than debian.
[05:38] <usynic> from what I remember, it is easier
[05:38] <calamari> usynic: that's easy.. tell them they won't need a password to boot their computer
[05:38] <aethera> usynic: yeah it will be easier
[05:38] <F0CUS> ok... suposedly I am a "n00b"and I managed t oinstall it in like 25 minutes
[05:38] <F0CUS> it's very easy
[05:39] <usynic> ok, thanks.
[05:39] <aethera> F0CUS: you need a book on unix commands
[05:39] <calamari> pw: thanks
[05:39] <F0CUS> didn't have to do anything to "configure" my laptop... all was working: network, Wireless, power management, etc..
[05:40] <F0CUS> the only thing I am still trying to figure out is how to get the damn "Fn" keys to work...
[05:40] <pw> blair: I think you've done everything right, and it Just Ain't Gonna Work.
[05:40] <blair> pw: can you think of anything that might help me?
[05:40] <blair> that is not an option, I can't live without my Wolfenstein
[05:41] <F0CUS> has anyone here tried FnFx?!
[05:41] <F0CUS> lol
[05:41] <Quest-Master> blair: Tried Cedega?
[05:41] <aethera> blair: install ET
[05:41] <blair> Cedega:
[05:41] <blair> already did, problem is with hardware rendering on an ATI card
[05:42] <blair> Cedega?
[05:42] <pw> Yeah, a WINE derivative is /really/ going to help with getting HW 3D going. /sarcasm.
[05:42] <Quest-Master> Oh
[05:42] <Quest-Master> That's his problem? :\
[05:42] <blair> yup
[05:42] <Quest-Master> I didn't fully read it
[05:42] <blair> thats my problem
[05:42] <Quest-Master> Don't job on me so quickly pw. :P
[05:42] <Quest-Master> *jump
[05:42] <aethera> blair: install freebsd? :P
[05:42] <calamari> brb.. rebooting.. floppy is unmounted.. but now /dev/fd0 no longer exists :P
[05:42] <blair> apparently intergrated graphics on the motherboard won't let OpenGL render through my Radeon Card :(
[05:43] <Quest-Master> blair: Is it a Radeon?
[05:43] <Quest-Master> Ok
[05:43] <Quest-Master> Did you change your XFree86 config file?
[05:43] <blair> ya, the card works, (using it right now), just won't let hardware rendering work
[05:44] <Quest-Master> Weird.
[05:44] <Quest-Master> How much FPS do you get from glxgears?
[05:44] <blair> just check fireglcontrol, still using GLXindirect
[05:45] <piratePenguin> root@piratepenguin:~ # glxgears
[05:45] <piratePenguin> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:45] <piratePenguin> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[05:45] <blair> in full screen, a whopping 25.6
[05:45] <pw> Quest-Master: :-P
[05:45] <offbyone> Ng, Thanks for the help, the upgrade went seamlessly on both the laptop and the server.
[05:46] <piratePenguin> huh? I've installed nvidia-glx and Load "glx" is in the XF86Config-4 file :s
[05:46] <zenrox> piratePenguin,  do a glxinfo
[05:46] <pw> Quest-Master: You have to be careful judging by that, because I only get 60FPS - because vsync is locked :)
[05:46] <pw> <-- has Radeon 9800 Pro, accelerated.
[05:46] <piratePenguin> zenrox: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:46] <Quest-Master> Yeah, wanted to get a general estimate
[05:46] <Ng> offbyone: cool :)
[05:46] <Quest-Master> Hehe.
[05:46] <zenrox> hmm
[05:46] <Quest-Master> I'll get an nVidia as soon as I get the money.
[05:46] <LinuxJones> piratePenguin, did you add nvidia as the driver ?
[05:46] <pw> It's when I get 350fps that I know it's gone all banana-shaped.
[05:47] <piratePenguin> no :D ... lol, thanks LinuxJones
[05:47] <aethera> you cant load theb GLX in the config
[05:47] <pw> UT2K4 in software mode is also non-amusing.
[05:47] <aethera> nvidia uses its own
[05:47] <LinuxJones> piratePenguin, :D and also add nvidia to /etc/modules as well so it will be loaded every time you re-coot
[05:47] <blair> blair@shakakan:~ $ glxinfo
[05:47] <blair> name of display: :0.0
[05:47] <blair> display: :0  screen: 0
[05:47] <blair> direct rendering: No
[05:47] <blair> server glx vendor string: SGI
[05:47] <blair> server glx version string: 1.2
[05:47] <LinuxJones> err re-boot
[05:47] <blair> server glx extensions:
[05:47] <blair>     GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context
[05:48] <blair> I just noticed that direct rendering :no is there an option in a file somewhere where it can be changed?
[05:48] <aethera> blair: DRI in hte config
[05:48] <piratePenguin> LinuxJones: thanks... do I have to remove 'Load "glx"' now, cause nvidia has its own ?
[05:48] <offbyone> Ng, One more question -- I'm not seeing how to lock a package in Synaptic. Is there a dpkg command or apt command I should use instead? I'm not a fan of the Synaptic app -- sluggish, and the command line is more powerful :)
[05:48] <blair> xf86config-4?
[05:48] <pw> blair: do you want me to /msg you my XF86Config-4 ?
[05:48] <aethera> yes
[05:49] <LinuxJones> piratePenguin, no leave glx, you will also have to modprobe nvidia to load the module and then re-start X
[05:49] <blair> pw: ya, that would be great
[05:49] <pw> np, will do
[05:49] <piratePenguin> LinuxJones: k, thanks
[05:49] <LinuxJones> :)
[05:49] <offbyone> Ng, never mind, it's just not in the right-click menu
[05:49] <offbyone> found it, though.
[05:49] <Ng> offbyone: found it in the Package menu?
[05:49] <Ng> ah cool :)
[05:51] <bzbb> I'm tring to build an xmms plugin, and make is telling me I don't have GCC installed, and /lib/cpp fails the sanity check
[05:51] <bzbb> I've apt-get installed gcc
[05:51] <LinuxJones> bzbb, install build-essential
[05:51] <aethera> uyeah
[05:51] <bzbb> thanks
[05:52] <aethera> I heard hoary is not as memory hungry as warty
[05:52] <Quest-Master> Or really?
[05:52] <Quest-Master> I should upgrade to Hoary if only I wasn't so scared
[05:53] <aethera> Quest-Master: I am going to do it
[05:53] <Hwolf> Quest-Master, don't, there are some annoying bugs.
[05:53] <aethera> if it does not go well
[05:53] <Duck_busy> coin
[05:53] <aethera> I will installed gentoo
[05:53] <Quest-Master> :o
[05:53] <Quest-Master> Just go back to Warty if it doesn't work aethera
[05:53] <bzbb> woo!
[05:53] <aethera> Quest-Master: no need too
[05:53] <pw> blair: k, you should get that.
[05:53] <pw> blair: please don't forget to make a copy of your existing XF86Config-4 before trying bits of mine; yours might not give good 3D, but it does at least display something on the screen :-)
[05:53] <aethera> I tested ubuntu now
[05:53] <bzbb> I love installing from source
[05:53] <pw> aethera: No different here, really.
[05:53] <pw> Quest-Master: it's not so bad
[05:53] <pw> It's development software; it's likely to break.
[05:53] <pw> But if you don't mind that, it's ok
[05:54] <aethera> ok brb
[05:54] <aethera> shower
[05:54] <Hwolf> I just finished editing a 17-page document, and there is a bug in openoffice in the fonts. You can't see of a font will be bold when you print it. :-S
[05:54] <bzbb> pw, only small things
[05:54] <blair> ya, already learned that lesson
[05:54] <blair> got it all
[05:54] <bzbb> anything that takes too long to build, I get impatient
[05:54] <blair> I don't think it is going to help, everything looks just as mine does
[05:55] <bzbb> grr
[05:55] <bzbb> now it says I need glib 1.2.0 or better
[05:55] <pw> blair: I'm stumped, then.
[05:55] <blair> asthera: you said I could add somthing to the DRI section of the config file to make it direct render?
[05:55] <pw> This is a laptop, right, blair?
[05:56] <blair> no, a desktop
[05:56] <pw> k
[05:56] <pw> homebrew?
[05:56] <blair> ya, kinda
[05:56] <pw> Hmm
[05:56] <blair> was a compaq, motherboard died, had an old gateway motherboard laying around
[05:56] <LinuxJones> Hwolf, export it as a .pdf file then print
[05:56] <pw> I was hoping to have something to google against :)
[05:57] <bzbb> oh, nm, thats a syntax error in the makefile
[05:57] <Hwolf> LinuxJones. I've finished it. If my teammates agree, we can still make the f-ing deadline. :-S
[05:57] <pw> It's a lot easier to google on, say, "Dimension 8300 radeon xfree86", frexample
[05:57] <blair> aethera: you said I could add something to the DRI section of the config file to make it direct render?
[05:57] <LinuxJones> Hwolf, :D
[05:58] <bzbb> jerks
[05:58] <Hwolf> LinuxJones: It isn't that much fun to work 10 hours on a saturday to get it right. :-P
[05:58] <bzbb> I think as a general policy, software that doesn't build shouldn't be released
[05:58] <blair> while it is a gateway board, it is almost identical to the board that was in it.  I would imagine that anyboard with i810 intergrated graphics would have this problem
[05:59] <Quest-Master> How customizable is the task bar in XFCE?
[05:59] <Quest-Master> I want it to look like my Gnome setup but have heard it isn't very flexible
[05:59] <Quest-Master> Or
[05:59] <Quest-Master> I could just start gnome-panel and XFCE and use that
[05:59] <Quest-Master> :D
[06:01] <zenrox> Quest-Master,  why not just use gnome then
[06:02] <Quest-Master> zenrox: Hehe, that's what I mean. I need to get the XFCE panel configured to look like mine someho.
[06:02] <Quest-Master> *somehow
[06:02] <Quest-Master> Or just stick with Gnome.
[06:02] <Quest-Master> But XFCE is faster.
[06:03] <zenrox> just stick with gnome
[06:03] <zenrox> its easer
[06:03] <downpour> hrm how do u install something like say fluxbox...sudo apt-get install fluxbox??
[06:03] <pw> downpour: yep.
[06:03] <Hwolf> XFCE is messy, if you ask me.
[06:03] <pw> I don't like the XFCE file mangler.
[06:03] <downpour> ne
[06:03] <downpour> er
[06:03] <downpour> hm
[06:03] <Quest-Master> I don't either.
[06:03] <Quest-Master> Nautilus is much better.
[06:03] <downpour> E: Couldn't find package fluxbox
[06:04] <Quest-Master> downpour: sudo apt-cache search fluxbox
[06:04] <downpour> ok
[06:04] <Quest-Master> Use the package which looks like the one you need
[06:04] <Hwolf> downpour, enable universe/multiverse
[06:04] <Euphoria> hi all
[06:04] <downpour> where do i enable that
[06:05] <downpour> does ubuntu use debian docs or something?
[06:05] <downpour> doesn't seem like much documentation at the website
[06:08] <jcoxon77> hi everyone
[06:09] <downpour> so where do i enable this universe/multiverse option
[06:09] <sol_> hi all, i am having difficulty setting up my webcam on ubuntu. seems the device /dev/video0 does not exist. any ideas?
[06:09] <wezzer> check if there is /dev/video
[06:10] <Guardiann> downpour take a look at www. ubuntuguide.org
[06:10] <downpour> ah so there is some documentation didnt see that link
[06:10] <Guardiann> yeah there is alot
[06:11] <Guardiann> that should get you going pretty well
[06:11] <sol_> no, there is no /dev/video either
[06:11] <sol_> did a search on the site and came up with nothing
[06:12] <sol_> any ideas?
[06:13] <kent> sol_, perhaps its not detected (not supported).
[06:13] <Raskal> I was wondering if somebody could help me with an Unreal Tournament Game of the Year (UT GOTY) install ...
[06:13] <MainVoid> sol_, what's the headache?
[06:13] <sol_> could be kent, it is just strange that the /dev/video0 device is not even there
[06:14] <Raskal> I install the game to linux using a file from gamespy, and it utilizes my Windoze pc...
[06:14] <jcoxon77> hmmm
[06:14] <sol_> MainVoid, /dev/vedio0 is not present or any other variant that i can spot
[06:14] <Raskal> However, it installs it as root, and I cannot delete the darn thing, run it, or update it...
[06:15] <jcoxon77> Raskal: isn't there a more native port
[06:15] <jcoxon77> Raskal: with a loki installer?
[06:15] <sol_> sorry for the spelling - it is /dev/video0
[06:15] <Raskal> What is weird, is that I installed America's Army (linux) and...right, the loki installer, and it uses Windoze disks as source...
[06:15] <jcoxon77> yeah thats normal
[06:15] <Raskal> AA runs like a champ w/no issues...
[06:16] <jcoxon77> i once had it running
[06:16] <MainVoid> sol_, from that I deduce u have unstalled a video capture/tv card? ;)
[06:16] <jcoxon77> that is Unreal GOTY
[06:16] <jcoxon77> what errors are you getting?
[06:16] <Raskal> yes, jcoxon77, it is...
[06:17] <Raskal> in the terminal, it reads "cannot update x...spanish/russian version"
[06:17] <sol_> no, i am trying to get my webcam to work and am getting an error that /dev/video0 does not exist. when i look in /dev i can not see any video devices
[06:17] <Raskal> ...during installation...
[06:17] <Raskal> it winds up finishing the install, and I go to run it, and it says it can't...
[06:17] <MainVoid> sol_, well, u can always create the device node in case it hasn't been created for you....
[06:18] <MainVoid> sol_, Ah, well, same thing kinda.. video input device.. :D
[06:18] <sol_> i am not sure how to do that - never created a device. is there a howto you can point me at?
[06:18] <Br34ch> Where exactly should be the sessoins directory used by gdm, on a default Ubuntu installation?
[06:18] <MainVoid> sol_, man mknod is a start...
[06:19] <MainVoid> sol_, u'd prob need to know what type the device should be, but it is a beginning...
[06:19] <MainVoid> sol_, what webcam is it?
[06:19] <sol_> ok, thanks for the tip - some research is needed
[06:19] <sol_> bye for now
[06:20] <basttrax> Hey everyone
[06:20] <basttrax> Can anyone help me?
[06:21] <MainVoid> right, to bad he left, since I now have the command line he required.. :D #mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0
[06:21] <elvirolo> hi all
[06:21] <downpour> hrm i enabled that universe option and updated but still can't install fluxbox
[06:21] <basttrax> anybody?
[06:21] <crimsun> basttrax: please just state your problem instead of asking to ask.
[06:21] <basttrax> ok
[06:21] <blair> pw: I just looked at the x log file, it says that DRI initialization failed
[06:21] <elvirolo> is the latest firefox package from Hoary know to segfault or is it me ?
[06:21] <Docta> Is there a Ubuntu Way to make windows shares with Samba or do I just edit the configs?
[06:22] <blair> (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad)
[06:22] <kent> downpour, have you run "sudo apt-get update" to update the list of packages? you need to do that for it to work.
[06:22] <MainVoid> Docta, should be same way as any dist, I'd say..
[06:22] <Raskal> at this point, how do I remove a file that ubuntu says I don't have permissions to modify?
[06:22] <basttrax> I get the error ""configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH"" whenever i try to install anything. i checked the package manager and i do have GCC installed
[06:22] <basttrax> any ideas?
[06:22] <MainVoid> Docta, config files, webmin or SWAT...
[06:22] <crimsun> basttrax: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[06:22] <Docta> MainVoid, thanks I've use SWAT many-a-time  :)
[06:22] <basttrax> ok
[06:22] <basttrax> brb
[06:23] <crimsun> elvirolo: works fine on my ubuntu boxes
[06:23] <MainVoid> Docta, Kewl.. ;) U r all set to go then.. ;)
[06:23] <downpour> yes i did apt-get update
[06:23] <crimsun> downpour: please paste to #flood the output of `apt-cache policy fluxbox'
[06:23] <downpour> ok
[06:24] <elvirolo> crimsun : strange
[06:24] <blair> how can I get the kernel to show me what modules it has loaded?
[06:24] <Ng>  /sbin/lsmod
[06:24] <crimsun> blair: `lsmod'
[06:24] <elvirolo> crimsun : it seems to happen at least on one web site here
[06:24] <basttrax> alright i'm installing from the cd now
[06:25] <Ephemeral> where can i get Shockwave plugin for Ubuntu FireFox?
[06:25] <downpour> ok pasted it
[06:25] <basttrax> you think gcc would automatically be installed into your path
[06:25] <Ephemeral> or what is it called?
[06:25] <basttrax> You would think
[06:25] <crimsun> elvirolo: are you saying it's segfaulting on startup or it's segfaulting for certain sites
[06:25] <elvirolo> crimsun, could you try to log on to www.linuxfr.org and sroll down with the scrollmouse just to check ... ?
[06:25] <crimsun> basttrax: typical desktop users don't compile programs
[06:25] <basttrax> thanks so much crimsun you saved me alot of time. it worked
[06:25] <basttrax> true enough
[06:26] <crimsun> basttrax: np
[06:26] <crimsun> elvirolo: works fine here.
[06:26] <MainVoid> Ephemeral, check the plugindoc.mozilla.org (I think it was anyway) ..
[06:26] <elvirolo> crimsun, strange, it does it with most sites anyway here
[06:26] <basttrax> If i do a configure and it needs something, should i just get the required packages and start ./configure agian?
[06:26] <crimsun> downpour: you don't seem to have uncommented the correct universe line?
[06:26] <downpour> hrm
[06:27] <MainVoid> basttrax, yup..
[06:27] <elvirolo> crimsun, i just start browsing and it then suddenly segfault
[06:27] <crimsun> downpour: please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://pastebin.ca
[06:27] <basttrax> ok
[06:27] <downpour> ok
[06:27] <MainVoid> elvirolo, is there any common denominator with the pages it is crashing on for you?
[06:27] <MainVoid> elvirolo, like flash, shockwave or somehting?
[06:28] <downpour> http://pastebin.ca/4632
[06:28] <elvirolo> MainVoid, nope :( and it evens does it with perfectly valid xhtml code
[06:28] <Br34ch> Why is that that  I'm unable to complete tasks that are done to be as a 'superuser,' when  i am logged in as ann [administrator] ?
[06:28] <Br34ch> I'm a nub.. it's probably something very stupid that I'm going wrong
[06:28] <MainVoid> elvirolo, Odd, very odd indeed...
[06:28] <Ng> Br34ch: what kind of tasks? how are you unable to complete them?
[06:29] <downpour> err
[06:29] <elvirolo> MainVoid, i'll try downloading a binary from mozilla.org and see
[06:29] <downpour> crap
[06:29] <MainVoid> Br34ch, because as an "Administrator" u may still not have proper (i.e. full) root priviliges..
[06:29] <downpour> i did do it wrong
[06:29] <downpour> damn
[06:29] <downpour> lol
[06:29] <MainVoid> elvirolo, that may well be a very good idea.. ;)
[06:29] <MainVoid> I have no probbs here with firefox..
[06:30] <crimsun> downpour: sorted out?
[06:30] <MainVoid> elvirolo, however, what is the version u r using? I am on 0.9<something>
[06:30] <MainVoid> r any of the uduntu maintainers around?
[06:30] <elvirolo> MainVoid, i've got version 1.0 (hoary)
[06:30] <MainVoid> s/uduntu/ubuntu/g
[06:31] <MainVoid> elvirolo, ok, I'm using the one in warty...
[06:31] <Br34ch> Well, for examply . . . I was gonna copy the xfce42.desktop file into the sessions directory used by gdm(I couldn't find that specific directory..) but some dir . .. when I tried pasting it onto it . . . it still gave me an error pop-up message stating that I need to be a "superuser"
[06:31] <MainVoid> elvirolo, maybe wanna go back one rev to see if it could be a borked package/install?
[06:32] <elvirolo> MainVoid, yeah, good idea
[06:32] <Ng> Br34ch: yeah, you'd need to be running nautilus as root for that. Generally speaking you shouldn't need to be doing those kinds of things, but if you really want to, run "sudo nautilus" in a shell
[06:32] <Ng> I'm not sure what gdm would do with a .desktop
[06:32] <Ng> ignore it probably ;)
[06:32] <Ephemeral> I cant find anything relevant to Firefox+Flash in Synaptic :/
[06:32] <MainVoid> elvirolo, standard tech support reqest.. ;) worked as TS agent for waaaaay to many years.. ;)
[06:33] <elvirolo> MainVoid, ;-)
[06:33] <giard> Ephemeral: read the wiki for flash
[06:33] <MainVoid> Ephemeral, I'd doubt flash would be distributed by ubuntu..
[06:33] <Br34ch> Well, first of all, in deference to what'll happen when it's put in the sessions dir and whatnot: http://www.os-works.com/documentation/xfce-installers/4.2.0/xfce-installer/#setting-up-gdm . . . anyways, I'll try doing what you said, thanks
[06:34] <Ephemeral> MainVoid: i thought there would be something in universe which i have enabled
[06:34] <Ng> Br34ch: fair enough. xfce 4.0 is in warty's universe if you don't mind it not being 4.2 and want to save some hassle :)
[06:35] <Ephemeral> Giard: where is the wiki?
[06:35] <MainVoid> Ephemeral, I just started using ubuntu myself the other day...
[06:35] <crimsun> Ephemeral: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[06:35] <MainVoid> Ephemeral, lemme check that wiki...
[06:35] <elvirolo> MainVoid, same prob with the official binary :(
[06:35] <elvirolo> strange
[06:35] <crimsun> Ephemeral: stated right in the topic here
[06:35] <elvirolo> MainVoid, i used it for ages without a hitch
[06:35] <Br34ch> Universe . . . wouldn't it get beyond me? Being the complete nub that I am
[06:36] <piratePenguin> I plugged in my (brothers) usb headset (with mic), and dmesg showed some cool positive results (loaded usb-sound-something)... then I rebooted and now I get no sound at all... before I rebooted I had 2 dsp devices (/dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1) ... now theres just 1 (/dev/dsp) ... how do I make it sand sound to my headset or whatever?
[06:36] <Ng> Br34ch: enabling the universe repository is very easy, hold on a sec I'll get you a link to an explanation
[06:36] <Br34ch> Got it, thanks
[06:36] <crimsun> piratePenguin: plug it in _after_ it finishes booting
[06:36] <piratePenguin> crimsun: do I have to do that *all* the time?
[06:37] <crimsun> piratePenguin: depending on your configuration, yes
[06:37] <piratePenguin> k.. I'll try again
[06:37] <piratePenguin> then, how do I make it send sound to the headset?
[06:37] <basttrax> Hey again
[06:38] <basttrax> How do you install .bin files. the automatic installer types?
[06:38] <crimsun> piratePenguin: did it work before?
[06:38] <piratePenguin> crimsun: no.. dmesg showed some good stuff tho
[06:38] <macewan> anyone here in raleigh nc?
[06:38] <MainVoid> elvirolo, that *is* odd...
[06:39] <piratePenguin> didnt get sound on the headset at all (did, and always did, get it on my speakers tho)
[06:39] <basttrax> anyoner
[06:40] <basttrax> how do you install ".bin" files. the ones that are automatic install files
[06:40] <basttrax> i'm trying to install amsn with one of those
[06:40] <MainVoid> basttrax, chmod +x *.bin; sudo ./<filename.bin>
[06:40] <crimsun> piratePenguin: /join #flood and paste the output of `cat /proc/asound/cards' after you boot without the usb headset and then plug it in
[06:41] <piratePenguin> crimsun: k... brb
[06:41] <MainVoid> crimsun, u a maintainer or developer for ubuntu?
[06:41] <Ephemeral> hmm that didnt worj
[06:41] <basttrax> anyone know how to install the .bin files. the automatic install types?
[06:41] <piratePenguin> sh whatever.bin
[06:41] <piratePenguin> make sure its executable
[06:41] <MainVoid> basttrax, see above, already replied 2 u..
[06:42] <crimsun> MainVoid: not yet.
[06:42] <basttrax> oh crap
[06:42] <basttrax> sorry
[06:42] <MainVoid> crimsun, sounds like there's an aspiration to become one.. ;)
[06:42] <MainVoid> basttrax, no probs.. ;)
[06:42] <crimsun> MainVoid: everyone can.
[06:42] <bzbb> ugh
[06:42] <bzbb> jack is making my head hurt
[06:43] <MainVoid> crimsun, I was more thinking of "where do I send praise?" kinda thing..
[06:43] <runenes> when trying to compile plib i get "checking for glNewList in -lMesaGL... no" and "could not find working GL library". What do I need to install?
[06:43] <Br34ch> !ping
[06:43] <crimsun> MainVoid: just stick around and continue helping others :)
[06:43] <MainVoid> crimsun, ubuntu is the only dist so far that has recognised *all* the hardware devices in thi laptop u see.. ;)
[06:44] <MainVoid> crimsun, :D Yup, it sounds like I may be spending some time here.. ;)
[06:44] <bzbb> I can't wait to try to install ubuntu on my portege
[06:44] <bzbb> subnotebooks suck that way
[06:45] <crimsun> MainVoid: it would be helpful to note that in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[06:45] <MainVoid> bzbb, I'm runninga a IBM ThinkPad T42, with centrino etc. etc. etc. Ubuntu found it all, and configured it all, without even having to ask one question.. I am pretty pleased with that!
[06:45] <MainVoid> crimsun, on my way there then! ;)
[06:45] <bzbb> I tried to install linux on this before
[06:45] <bzbb> and it didn't like my pcmcia cdrom
[06:45] <monty38> hello all
[06:45] <bzbb> and there is no internall cdrom
[06:45] <crimsun> MainVoid: there's actually already a note there, but feel free to register and append your comments to the T42 section.
[06:48] <MainVoid> crimsun, yeah, I'll be testing the things they calim don't work as well..
[06:48] <Cindux> hey all
[06:48] <MainVoid> crimsun, things is, there's a ton of different T42 models about so...
[06:49] <crimsun> MainVoid: understood :)
[06:49] <MainVoid> bzbb, so, what was the distro, and how long ago was it?
[06:49] <no0tic> is it possible to share a scanner?
[06:49] <no0tic> like a printer?
[06:49] <Cindux> yes
[06:49] <crimsun> piratePenguin: ok, so seems correct. I presume sound works directly out of the onboard, correct?
[06:49] <bzbb> well, I tried debian, redhat, mandrake, and turbolinux, way back when potato was new
[06:49] <piratePenguin> crimsun: yup
[06:49] <arabflak> Heyhey :)
[06:50] <Cindux> hm
[06:50] <MainVoid> bzbb, Ah, well, that was a while ago alright.... ;)
[06:50] <no0tic> Cindux: you were talking to me?
[06:50] <bzbb> so, things have changed a bit
[06:50] <Cindux> yep
[06:50] <arabflak> I'm having a TINY problem here.
[06:50] <arabflak> (as usual.
[06:50] <Cindux> its very easy to do
[06:50] <crimsun> piratePenguin: and if you boot with the usb headset plugged in, what does /proc/asound/cards show?
[06:50] <arabflak> ehm, i'm trying to rebuild a RPM, but it's not working.
[06:50] <arabflak> i get a shitload of errors.
[06:50] <MainVoid> bzbb, yeah.. things have progressed a bit since those days... ;)
[06:50] <Cindux> the obvious answer is having 2 pc's networked
[06:51] <piratePenguin> crimsun: same... I think...
[06:51] <crimsun> arabflak: what are you trying to rebuild? It seems the long way around to rebuild a RPM and then use alien to convert it to deb.
[06:51] <piratePenguin> crimsun: will I plug it in now?
[06:51] <crimsun> piratePenguin: will you verify please?
[06:51] <no0tic> Cindux: all me if you are talking to me, so I can highlight your messages to me
[06:51] <piratePenguin> crimsun: righteo.. brb
[06:51] <no0tic> s/all/call
[06:51] <no0tic> Cindux:  I have two PC in net
[06:51] <Cindux> im talking to you ;)
[06:51] <bzbb> what we need is a kernel module to shovel snow
[06:51] <Cindux> sd
[06:51] <arabflak> I'm looking for a good clone of jezzball for my sister, and well, to be very honest, I can't find one. Now I found IceBreaker, and I don't get it at all (note: me=linuxn00b)
[06:52] <MainVoid> bzbb, LOL
[06:52] <bzbb> pain in the ass blizzards
[06:52] <Cindux> lol
[06:52] <bzbb> apt-get install snow-shovel
[06:52] <Cindux> the pile of snow on the left of my driveway
[06:52] <Cindux> is about the same height as me :D
[06:52] <Cindux> 5'8 - 5'9
[06:52] <LinuxJones> bzbb, I am getting 65 cm of snow and 100 km/hr winds
[06:52] <njan> rofl, bzbb
[06:52] <Cindux> lo
[06:53] <bzbb> we have 2 feet here
[06:53] <Cindux> we had a snowstorm yesterday
[06:53] <MainVoid> bzbb, ignore snow, light fireplace, bring out a good book, laptop or whatever, and a nice drink of choice..
[06:53] <arabflak> I'm glad we just have yucky wet snow.
[06:53] <Cindux> the wind blew odd
[06:53] <bzbb> in northeast CT
[06:53] <no0tic> Cindux: how can I do it?
[06:53] <njan> The Following extra packages will also be installed: snow
[06:53] <LinuxJones> bzbb, that's the one it's just starting here right now
[06:53] <MainVoid> I'd be *happy* having propersnow here....
[06:53] <bzbb> I just got back from 3 weeks in chile where we had 70 mph winds on a regular basis
[06:53] <Cindux> er unfortunetly i could help you if it was 2 windows computers
[06:53] <Cindux> I'm practically a newb to Linux
[06:53] <arabflak> Join the club.
[06:54] <Cindux> Im just saying its possible & most likely very easy
[06:54] <Cindux> lol i did :d
[06:54] <bzbb> MainVoid, regarding drink of choice, my bottle of gin is snowed in
[06:54] <Cindux> So, by chance
[06:54] <Cindux> does anyone know where i could get some cheap desktop pc's on the net
[06:54] <MainVoid> bzbb, LOL, I *just* finished some hot chocolate spike with Stroh Rom 80%.. ;)
[06:55] <Cindux> new/used doesnt matter im looking for 2 desktops to test things on thats all
[06:55] <MainVoid> Cindux, what country do u live in?
[06:55] <Cindux> Canada
[06:55] <bzbb> that bottle of sapphire makes shoveling more compelling
[06:55] <Cindux> i've been to tiger but they were newer desktops
[06:55] <Cindux> I actually need old hardware
[06:55] <MainVoid> Cindux, sorry, no idea about .ca stores...
[06:55] <MainVoid> Cindux, in that case, check ebay..
[06:55] <MainVoid> bzbb, <g>
[06:56] <Cindux> heh ebay
[06:56] <Cindux> i always lose :
[06:56] <MainVoid> Cindux, hey, it works.. <g>
[06:56] <Guardiann> Cindux check the buy and sell paper
[06:56] <Cindux> woo someone else knows about the buy n sell
[06:56] <Cindux> I get it every friday
[06:56] <Guardiann> thers many in there if your looking
[06:56] <Cindux> I jst bought a 1.4 from it but thats all i found
[06:57] <jcoxon77> arabflak: not really ubuntu but you can share scanners on mandrake
[06:57] <piratePenguin> crimsun: yep, same
[06:57] <jcoxon77> via sane
[06:57] <Br34ch> Ng, there? :s
[06:57] <Ng> Br34ch: yep
[06:58] <MainVoid> jcoxon77, isn't sane distributed via ubuntu??
[06:58] <Br34ch> Ng> Br34ch: enabling the universe repository is very easy, hold on a sec I'll get you a link to an explanation  <---I missed it?
[06:58] <arabflak> jcoxon77, I think you're responding to the wrong person :P
[06:59] <jcoxon77> oh sorry
[06:59] <jcoxon77> yeah
[06:59] <Ng> Br34ch: oops, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages/view?searchterm=universe
[06:59] <jcoxon77> who was asking about shring scanners
[06:59] <Ng> Br34ch: after you have that you can tell Synaptic to install the xfce4 package and it should grab it all
[06:59] <jcoxon77> sharing
[07:00] <Br34ch> Got it, thank you
[07:00] <jcoxon77> sane is distributed with ubuntu
[07:00] <jcoxon77> but mandrake has its own config frontend
[07:00] <piratePenguin> crimsun: any ideas?
[07:01] <crimsun> piratePenguin: you didn't paste /proc/asound/cards
[07:01] <jcoxon77> all that was to no0tic if he/she is still around
[07:01] <crimsun> piratePenguin: usbaudio is an oss/free driver
[07:01] <arabflak> Okay, so I might have another, more important question. I have like a very miniscular apt-source and I'd like to know which I can add and how...
[07:02] <Br34ch> Ng: So . . . I just check that in the settings, and install it just like that? And that's . . . all?
[07:02] <MainVoid> no0tic, did u see wgar jcoxon77 wrote?
[07:02] <piratePenguin> crimsun: #flood
[07:03] <Ng> Br34ch: pretty much, yeah. reboot afterwards and xfce should be selectable if you hit "Sessions" on the login screen :)
[07:03] <MainVoid> jcoxon77, looks like no0tic has gone for lunch, or something.. ;)
[07:03] <jcoxon77> MainVoid :no worries
[07:03] <crimsun> piratePenguin: as I stated above, looking at your dmesg confirms that usbaudio, the oss/free driver that conflicts with alsa, has claimed your usb headset.
[07:05] <jcoxon77> MainVoid :basically he needs to use sane network daemon, if he comes back... :-)
[07:05] <Br34ch> Ohh
[07:05] <piratePenguin> crimsun: so how do I use the headset?
[07:05] <Br34ch> ng: Is it safe to mark everything for installation, that lists after i searched for "Xfce?"
[07:05] <Br34ch> 45 packages . . . I presume that'd be about 100 mb? o.0
[07:06] <njan> Br34ch, it probably won't break anything, but it'd be very messy
[07:06] <Ng> Br34ch: yep. When you hit Apply it will give you a complete list of what is being installed/upgraded, so you can check it's not going to remove anything
[07:06] <njan> Br34ch, just apt-get install xfce4
[07:06] <Ng> njan: that's exactly the same as doing it in synaptic, surely?
[07:06] <Br34ch> njan: It gives me scary messages when i do that..
[07:06] <njan> Ng, yes, but searching for xfce, you'll get every package with xfce in it
[07:06] <njan> Ng, which includes xfce (xfce3), and xfce4 if I'm not mistaken.
[07:06] <Ng> njan: I did say to install the xfce4 package :)
[07:06] <njan> Ng, and all of the addon packages as well
[07:07] <njan> Br34ch ng: Is it safe to mark everything for installation, that lists after i searched for "Xfce?"
[07:07] <njan> Ng, but that's what he asked :)
[07:07] <Ng> true
[07:07] <Ng> but running to a shell is a poor solution ;)
[07:07] <njan> well, then, search for the xfce4 package and install that :p
[07:07] <MainVoid> jcoxon77, If I'll see him/her I'll try to remember.. ;)
[07:07] <crimsun> piratePenguin: sudo modprobe -r usbaudio && sudo modprobe snd-usb-audio
[07:07] <Ng> Br34ch: only mark the xfce4 package for installation in synaptic, or use the shell command njan gave you (run it with sudo)
[07:07] <Br34ch> root@tosh:/home/khan # apt-get install xfce4 // E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) // E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? //
[07:07] <jcoxon77> MainVoid: thanks
[07:07] <njan> Ng, I find the shell easier to use than synaptic :p
[07:08] <njan> Br34ch, that's because you have synaptic running at the same time
[07:08] <Br34ch> Oh, okay
[07:08] <njan> Br34ch, you can only have one apt-related application running at a time :)
[07:08] <piratePenguin> crimsun:  root@piratepenguin:/proc/asound # modprobe -r usbaudio
[07:08] <piratePenguin> FATAL: Module usbaudio not found.    :|
[07:08] <njan> Br34ch, so if you have synaptic running, just select the xfce4 package and install that
[07:08] <njan> Br34ch, it'll select all the other packages that it needs to install xfce4 automagically, as they're dependancies of the xfce4 package
[07:08] <njan> Br34ch, so you'll have xfce4-icons, xfce4-themes, etc.
[07:08] <Br34ch> It's . . . working :D
[07:09] <Br34ch> closed the Synaptic and it worked.. I'm happy that it worked, because yesterday I couldn't do anything with that . . . most said it was because I hadn't "universe enabled" or something of that sort..
[07:09] <njan> of course! did you expect it to break? :-p
[07:10] <MainVoid> it's _not_ windows.. ;)
[07:11] <crimsun> piratePenguin: please paste `lsmod' output to http://pastebin.ca
[07:12] <piratePenguin> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/4639
[07:13] <uta> hey!! habt ihr plan wie ich ICQ auf mein ubuntu krieg ??
[07:13] <Br34ch> out of the topic question - is there such a plugin for xchat, that'll let me . . . "minimize" it to taskbar.. kinda like GAIM
[07:13] <piratePenguin> huh? use GAIM
[07:13] <piratePenguin> ^ uta
[07:14] <Br34ch> As if I was to press Shit and click the minimize button on win mIRC
[07:14] <piratePenguin> lol
[07:14] <Cloudchaser> ogra are you here by chance?
[07:14] <Br34ch> uta.. that wasn't the answer for me now, was it?
[07:14] <crimsun> piratePenguin: you need to modprobe -r audio
[07:15] <Scooter> Hi all! I am trying to get my joystick working with a game of mine, and when the game exits I get an error. /dev/js0: no such file or directory... is there some other place I might find the Joystick? I have it working with most of my other games..
[07:15] <Ng> Br34ch: there is a plugin for that, but I'm not sure if it'll be very easy to install :(
[07:16] <piratePenguin> crimsun: apparently its in use :@
[07:16] <Br34ch> eeps
[07:16] <Cloudchaser> maybe someone else can help me out..i went to gnoppix.org and it says there's a new hoary live cd out as of jan 20..i download it and try to run it and it seems to be an installer, not a live cd!
[07:16] <piratePenguin> crimsun: I'll reboot anyhow, and see what happens
[07:16] <Br34ch> Well, this . . . thing is complete, I'm gonna reboot and try tweaking with that.. once again, thanks everyone for the help.. :D
 go to Distrowatch.com ,they have a nnewer version link..
[07:17] <Cloudchaser> has anyone else tried or found a new hoary live cd?
[07:17] <kent> Scooter, perhaps look at "dmesg" (run it in a terminal) when you insert the joystick? if its recognised, you will perhaps see which device it's at..)
[07:17] <Scooter> Thanks Kent  iwill try that :)
[07:17] <Cloudchaser> shouldn't that one on gnoppix site be fixed then?
[07:17] <Cloudchaser> wasted alot of time with downloading an installer instead of a live cd
[07:18] <offbyone> Has anyone here had any experience *troubleshooting* the fxglr module on ATI Mobility chipsets?
[07:18] <zenrox> Cloudchaser,  make shure the iso says livecd
[07:18] <arabflak> Okay, so, can anybody tell me where I can find the appropriate addable apt-sources for Ubuntu?
[07:18] <Cloudchaser> it didn't but there wasn't one that said live cd in the link to the live cd
[07:18] <zenrox> thats the one you want
[07:19] <Cloudchaser> Scooter, checking out that link now
[07:19] <MainVoid> arabflak, for hat?
[07:19] <MainVoid> s/hat/what/
[07:19] <arabflak> Because I had a re-install and my network stuff didn't get detected.
[07:19] <occy> crimsun: howdy, did you ever get that ltconf application ubunti-ified?
[07:19] <arabflak> I have now unblocked the normal apt-sources, but those are simple security updates and such.
[07:19] <arabflak> And I was wondering if there were others to add.
[07:20] <arabflak> (i'm currently upgrading my gnome-games :P lol)
[07:20] <Cloudchaser> scooter the distrowatch has the same announcment
[07:20] <ogra> Cloudchaser: sorry, i'm a bit busy atm, the new live cd is based on the installer, o your impression is correct :)
[07:20] <MainVoid> arabflak, well, what r ya looking for? or just in general u mean?
[07:20] <Cloudchaser> so its not a live cd after all ogra?
[07:20] <arabflak> Yeah, just in general.
[07:20] <ogra> Cloudchaser: it starts a live session at the point where the installer would start partitioning
[07:21] <Cloudchaser> oh how confusing
[07:21] <arabflak> For instance, I want to apt-get blender, but I can't, it's not on the currently added apt-servers.
[07:21] <Cloudchaser> so i have to let it get further than i did
[07:21] <piratePenguin> crimsun: still cant modprobe -r audio.. its in use..
[07:21] <arabflak> MainVoid, sorry about not highlighting these sentences, i'm kinda new at all this:)
[07:21] <MainVoid> arabflak, so, there was something specific u were looking for.. well, there's 2 things u can do there then...
[07:21] <ogra> Cloudchaser: they use the same base, so it will be possible to make a _real_ install from the livecd....unlike knoppix that just copys the image to HD
[07:22] <arabflak> MainVoid, and that would be?
[07:22] <crimsun> piratePenguin: grep ^audio /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base
[07:22] <Cloudchaser> ok i'll let it go longer next time to get to the live part
[07:22] <MainVoid> arabflak, either just get the src files and compile it urself, or ask for someone to become a maintainer for that package in ubuntu .. ;)
[07:22] <crimsun> ogra: 'afternoon, having a pleasant weekend? :)
[07:22] <arabflak> :P
[07:22] <piratePenguin> crimsun: no autput
[07:22] <arabflak> But what i was wondering was what apt-servers i could add to my sources list :P
[07:22] <ogra> piratePenguin: sorry, i will look into your isdn prob during the next week, i have to set up my testing ground again
[07:23] <piratePenguin> ogra: heh, thanks aloty
[07:23] <piratePenguin> alot*
[07:23] <Cloudchaser> thanks for the info ogra, i'll give it another try
[07:23] <ogra> crimsun: yup, just finished this one ;) http://www.grawert.net/xss_shot_2.png
[07:23] <fc_> how do I start samba on reboot?
[07:23] <Scooter> can I flood here?
[07:24] <ogra> Scooter: in #flood please :)
[07:24] <Scooter> k thanks
[07:24] <crimsun> piratePenguin: right, I just remembered it's not in that version distributed with warty.
[07:25] <crimsun> piratePenguin: echo audio | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:25] <Scooter> ok I pasted the joystick infor there, it is a USB joystick and gives me a few diffrent addresses..
[07:25] <crimsun> ogra: excellent
[07:25] <ogra> Scooter: 3 lines would have been ok here ;)
[07:25] <piratePenguin> crimsun: 'audio'
[07:25] <Scooter> ok :)
[07:26] <fc_> can anyone please tell me how I start samba on boot??
[07:26] <quitte> has someone successfully compiled pcmcia-cs modules for a 2.6 kernel - or can tell me how to do that?
[07:26] <ogra> fc_: if its installed and configured correctly it should start automatically
[07:26] <fc_> oh
[07:27] <crimsun> piratePenguin: right. Now when you reboot, audio won't be loaded automatically.
[07:27] <quitte> i need a driver that only exists as a patch to pcmcia-cs.
[07:27] <quitte> and i dont want to go back to 2.4
[07:27] <ogra> fc_: look in /etc/rc2.d if S20samba is present
[07:27] <njan> quitte, I'm not sure that pcmcia-cs works properly with the 2.6-series kernel..
[07:27] <njan> quitte, I seem to remember reading in the documentation that a lot of the drivers aren't compilable for 2.6..
[07:28] <njan> quitte, but I may be wrong, don't quote me on that; I'd check the pcmcia-cs documentation if I were you. That'll tell you either way, and if it's possible, it'll tell you how to compile them.
[07:28] <fc_> ogra, no
[07:28] <ogra> fc_: is samba already installed ?
[07:28] <fc_> ogra, yes
[07:28] <quitte> njan should be possible. i got latest source from the project homepage
[07:29] <piratePenguin> crimsun: cool.. so I'll reboot, modprobe -r usbaudio, and modprobe snd-usb-audio, then see what happens.. brb
[07:29] <fc_> it comes with warty right? And I already editted the config files
[07:29] <ogra> fc_: do you see the startscript in /etc/init.d ?
[07:29] <ogra> fc_: it isnt installed by default
[07:29] <fc_> no, thats why i asked
[07:29] <quitte> njan but configuring it it told me to disable pcmcia support in kernel - so i did. then it told me to enable it in kernels newer than 2.5 :/
[07:29] <fc_> oh
[07:29] <fc_> apt-get install samba?
[07:29] <ogra> fc_: no server stuff is installed by default
[07:29] <ogra> fc_: yup
[07:30] <fc_> 0% [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com] 
[07:30] <arabflak> -aw-
[07:31] <Schaap> Ok, what website sives a good explanation on how to instal/enable telnet server?
[07:31] <MainVoid> Schaap, why telnet, if I may ask?
[07:31] <ogra> Schaap: why not the safe variant ? (ssh)
[07:32] <zenrox> ya ssh is save
[07:32] <zenrox> safe
[07:35] <Cindux> bla
[07:35] <Cindux> buy n sell website doesnt include ads frmo ontario :(
[07:36] <MainVoid> Cindux, sounds like u've been visited by Mr. Murphy..
[07:36] <Cindux> i dunt get it
[07:36] <VipeRmaN> I have a question?
[07:37] <MainVoid> Cindux, Mr. Murphy or that they don't have ads from Ontario?
[07:37] <Cindux> * blink *
[07:37] <Cindux> buy n sell website has no ads for Ontario
[07:37] <MainVoid> VipeRmaN, and it is?
[07:37] <VipeRmaN> I just got my Ubuntu, Just checking before I install...   ...Does it have pretty good support for wireless cards?
[07:38] <ogra> VipeRmaN: yup
[07:38] <Cindux> 6.-
[07:38] <VipeRmaN> <<---- noob at linux
[07:38] <Guardiann> Cindu it sure does
[07:38] <LinuxJones> VipeRmaN, there is a compatibility page on the website for wireless cards
[07:38] <MainVoid> Cindux, LOL... well, there has to be some site that sells 'puters for Ontario...
[07:38] <VipeRmaN> Really? I was looking for that, Can I have link please?
[07:38] <Cindux> well i wouldnt mind buying from somewhere else
[07:38] <Cindux> if they shipped here
[07:39] <Mjolinor> anyone here to help me discover why I can't get an NFS mount working properly?
[07:39] <Cindux> I just need 1-2 cheap desktop pcs to test things on
[07:39] <MainVoid> VipeRmaN, my IBM T42's Centrino card worked right off the bat.. no probbs at all....
[07:39] <Cindux> 1.0ghz - 1.4ghz thats all
[07:39] <ogra> VipeRmaN: look in the wiki (www.ubuntulinux.org)
[07:39] <Guardiann> Cindu actually the buy and sell doesnt exist in Ontario
[07:39] <Guardiann> its called the super shopper
[07:39] <VipeRmaN> I have a Microsoft Wireless USB Adapter MN-510
[07:39] <LinuxJones> VipeRmaN >>  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards/view?searchterm=wireless%20network
[07:39] <Guardiann> http://www.supershopper.com/
[07:39] <Cindux> I get the buy and sell every week ;)
[07:39] <Cindux> and im in Ontario
[07:39] <VipeRmaN> ty for the links :)
[07:39] <Guardiann> must be the one your buying every friday
[07:40] <piratePenguin> crimsun: it works! thanks alot!
[07:40] <Cindux> yes = /
[07:40] <Guardiann> ok just thought I would let u know
[07:40] <VipeRmaN> Doesnt show it in there :(
[07:40] <Cindux> roaf
[07:40] <isom> a quick q: do I need universe to get firestarter? if so, how do I get universe?
[07:41] <ogra> VipeRmaN: what kind of card ?
[07:41] <Cindux> lol ye it is
[07:41] <Mjolinor> ok guess not :) so can anyone give me a server /channel where I can get soem NFS help?
[07:41] <Cloudchaser> well that wasn't too impressive for the live hoary cd
[07:41] <MainVoid> Cindux, lol
[07:41] <VipeRmaN> Ive been looking for a linux with support for my Adapter, I have linspire thats the closest thing, but it works when it wants to, usually only once per install.. and Its a "Microsoft Wireless USB Adapter MN-510"
[07:42] <Cloudchaser> no usb mouse and display was not quite right
[07:42] <ogra> Cloudchaser: its alpha....
[07:42] <Cloudchaser> couldn't change the resolution to be better
[07:42] <ogra> Cloudchaser: but you had X ?
[07:42] <Cloudchaser> yes
[07:43] <Cindux> lol
[07:43] <ogra> thats great for a start.....you can be sure it will improve....which one did you download ?
[07:43] <jcoxon77> VipeRman, i think the MN-510 is supported by linux-wlan-ng drivers
[07:43] <Cindux> anyone selling desktop pc's :D
[07:44] <ogra> Cloudchaser: the daily from today ?
[07:44] <Cloudchaser> ogra it was hoary_0.9.3b3-i386
[07:44] <VipeRmaN> Well I guess I could install and find out lol.. I put the live cd in and it didnt seem to work but im guessing thats because it doesnt install drivers and stuff correct?
[07:44] <Cloudchaser> from jan 20
[07:44] <Cloudchaser> from the gnoppix site,
[07:44] <jcoxon77> VipeRmN, well on synaptic there is the option to install these drivers
[07:44] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[07:44] <Cloudchaser> kinda confused on the gnoppix/ubuntu thing
[07:45] <jcoxon77> they aren't installed by default
[07:45] <ogra> heh
[07:45] <isom> how do I enable universe?
[07:45] <VipeRmaN> what is that? (im completely noob when it comes to linux, but want to learn)
[07:45] <ogra> isom: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[07:46] <isom> ogra: thx
[07:46] <Cloudchaser> would there be huge strides in 3 days ogra?
[07:46] <llun_ved> I have a question regarding the Ubuntu 5.4 release. Is anyone using it? Is it stable?
[07:46] <Cloudchaser> i could download that and try it i guess
[07:46] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: synaptic basically is a program that goes and gets from the ubuntu servers more software
[07:46] <ogra> Cloudchaser: maybe
[07:46] <mjr> llun_ved, yes, no
[07:46] <jcoxon77> you would basically have to install
[07:46] <Guardiann> llun_ved its working for me
[07:46] <Br34ch> Xfce up and working
[07:46] <Br34ch> :D
[07:47] <jcoxon77> get your system running and then go onto synaptic and select wlan-ng drivers to be installed
[07:47] <ogra> Cloudchaser: i unno how the sysncing between hoary and gnoppix works, so it may be the hoary is ahead
[07:47] <Cloudchaser> i thought they were the same now
[07:47] <VipeRmaN> ok so I dont have to know how to program and stuff to do this?
[07:47] <Cloudchaser> why have one distro with 2 names?
[07:47] <jcoxon77> in theory no
[07:48] <Cindux> it sounds coolo] 
[07:48] <jcoxon77> installing should be easy (not promising anything)
[07:48] <jcoxon77> configuring wlan-ng is a bit strange but possible
[07:48] <VipeRmaN> lol i understand.. well I have an older computer too, maybe ill install on that first
[07:48] <jcoxon77> thats probably best
[07:48] <jcoxon77> i'm sure anyone on here will help if you run  into problems
[07:48] <VipeRmaN> :)
[07:49] <VipeRmaN> let me hook the acient thing up lol
[07:49] <jcoxon77> :)
[07:49] <ogra> VipeRmaN: it depends on the chipset in your adapter, with a little luck the is a prism2 chipset inside, then it will be supported by default :)
[07:50] <VipeRmaN> I think it is, when i was playing with mandrake I kept seeing something about prism2 with my adapter
[07:50] <llun_ved> I am currently running slackware but I will make a complete jump to Ubuntu one I know it will recognize my USB device.
[07:50] <jcoxon77> ogra: i think it is prism2
[07:50] <llun_ved> I use the the Live CD at work
[07:50] <jcoxon77> ogra: lots of linuxquestions.org posts about it
[07:50] <ogra> VipeRmaN: great, prism2 has a kernel module, you wont need the wlan-ng stuff
[07:50] <jcoxon77> good point - stuff the wlan-ng
[07:50] <VipeRmaN> mind if I add any of you to my messengers for other help?
[07:50] <ogra> VipeRmaN: so it should work out of the box
[07:51] <VipeRmaN> I really want to learn how to do this and dont even know where to start
[07:51] <ogra> VipeRmaN: just come back here again if you got questions
[07:51] <VipeRmaN> <- tired of windows
[07:51] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: i recommend diving in and installing
[07:51] <Zotnix_> What I did.
[07:51] <VipeRmaN> =)
[07:51] <ogra> VipeRmaN: most of us are ;)
[07:52] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: ubuntu is great at getting you to a working desktop
[07:52] <Zotnix_> I was using Windows ME on my laptop... finally got fed up, bought RH8 and installed.
[07:52] <jcoxon77> with little hassle
[07:52] <jcoxon77> from there you can sort out the little things
[07:52] <piratePenguin> how do I go about getting my mic working now eh? (usb.. headset)
[07:52] <VipeRmaN> good, What I would really like is something easy like windows but the freedom of linux ya know? thought I would get that from linspire and somehow I found ubuntu and just got my cds yesterday lol
[07:53] <setite> ubuntu free cds woot!
[07:53] <setite> they actually came
[07:53] <VipeRmaN> yes
[07:53] <aquarius> The shortcut for "send to Trash" in Nautilus 2.8 seems to be ctrl+T. Can I turn that off?
[07:53] <VipeRmaN> 4.1 supports the wlan right
[07:54] <VipeRmaN> or prism wahtever it is
[07:54] <setite> stop hitting CTRL+T?
[07:54] <jcoxon77> VipeRman: i should hope so
[07:54] <jcoxon77> VipeRman: the kernel is definitly new enough
[07:54] <VipeRmaN> ok good :) just thought about it, saw someone say something about 5.4
[07:54] <jcoxon77> VipeRman: i'm actually running hoary and wlan definitly works
[07:54] <isom> I've installed firestarter and now I try to run it, and it asks for my root password. I type it in but it says that it's wrong. I've retried more than five times. is it some other password it's asking? I enter the same password that I write when doing sudo in console
[07:55] <aquarius> setite, not when it's the shortcut for "new tab" in Firefox. If the window focused is a folder rather than Firefox and I don't notice, it trashes whatever's selected.
[07:55] <ogra> isom: it has a bug....edit the launcher settings to use gksudo instead of gksu
[07:55] <setite> yea i figured thats why you wanted to change it...
[07:55] <isom> ogra: ok
[07:55] <VipeRmaN> :)
[07:55] <piratePenguin> anyone here use a plantronic's headset?
[07:55] <setite> i honestly have no idea where such settings are... i dont see why on earth there is a hotkey combo for soemthign like that when delete works just fine
[07:56] <aquarius> setite, but I can't find anywhere to configure Nautilus' shortcuts. "Keyboard shortcuts" in Desktop Preferences seems to only configure metacity.
[07:56] <occy> crimsun: at the risk of sounding annoying.....  ltconf?  :)
[07:56] <minde911> Hi all, i have problem on my Acer laptop, when i booting i get error with Acer non PnP Bios, can help me anybody how-to solve this problem?
[07:57] <mjg59> minde911: Does it actually stop it from booting?
[07:57] <setite> http://gnomesupport.org/wiki/index.php/KeyboardShortcuts
[07:57] <setite> ah... nevermind
[07:57] <setite> that just lists them
[07:58] <drspin> does anyone know how I can access my Palm database files?
[07:58] <minde911> no, but  kernel says to boot with nobiospnp option, how to set this option
[07:58] <aquarius> setite, I tried that :)
[07:59] <setite> http://www.gnome.org/learn/intro/2.2/ar01s06.html
[07:59] <setite> the nautilus manual perhaps?
[07:59] <Br34ch> heheh.. weird and 'tupit question: What exactly is nautilus?
[08:00] <setite> i wish i knew
[08:00] <randabis> a file manager
[08:00] <setite> i think its like windows explorer for linux
[08:00] <setite> namely gnome
[08:00] <Br34ch> randabis: Good morning.. and I'm using Xfce right now :D
[08:00] <Zotnix_> Heh, the unstable release freezes as much as explorer too ;)
[08:00] <setite> whats the purpose of xfce
[08:00] <setite> low resource?
[08:00] <drspin> the file manager = nautilus
[08:00] <setite> minimalist?
[08:01] <Djassper> hi
[08:01] <Br34ch> Ohh, kinda like . . . Windows Explorer!
[08:01] <setite> thats what i said
[08:01] <drspin> setite: XFCE is a simple, fast and extendable desktop environment
[08:01] <setite> ummmm
[08:01] <setite> i love when answers further my confusion
[08:02] <setite> what do you mean by extendable
[08:02] <Djassper> someone knows how to add windows transparency ?
[08:02] <setite> if you do dont tell me
[08:02] <drspin> plugins
[08:02] <setite> transparency hurts my eyes within momenys
[08:02] <setite> moments*
[08:03] <Djassper> yes but for terminal windows it is cool to see the readme by transparency, how to do that ?
[08:05] <drspin> net.split
[08:05] <drspin> ...
[08:05] <VipeRmaN> um woah
[08:05] <jcoxon77> wow
[08:05] <Schaap> well, havent seen a net split before?
[08:05] <PotajiTo> nice
[08:07] <mhz> any one using fluxbox under ubuntu?
[08:09] <VipeRmaN> how do i go about installing if my computer doesnt boot from cd
[08:10] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: have you changed the bios to boot off the cd first?
[08:10] <VipeRmaN> lol well thats teh problem, it doesnt seem to be letting me into bios
[08:11] <Schaap> ?
[08:11] <Schaap> you forgot the password?
[08:11] <jcoxon77> VipeRman: hmmm what type of computer are you trying on?
[08:11] <calamari> hi
[08:11] <Schaap> try bashing F1, alt+f2 or del during start up
[08:11] <VipeRmaN> no, DEL isnt letting me in.. its real old, old cyrix with AMI bios
[08:12] <VipeRmaN> ok, im gonna let it finish sending me some files then i'll try it :)
[08:12] <Schaap> my old IBM want F1 :p
[08:12] <VipeRmaN> well I was hitting all the F keys lol, but maybe the alt f2 will work or something..
[08:13] <Schaap> damn, stuck wiht the losers
[08:14] <kent> wow
[08:15] <giard> how do you set your cpu frequency scaling?
[08:16] <giard> ahh, I get it, it's automatic
[08:16] <giard> gotcha
[08:17] <jcoxon77> no0tic: you asked earlier about sharing scanners i think
[08:17] <jcoxon77> no0tic: well if you did you need sane network daemon
[08:17] <no0tic> jcoxon77: done!
[08:18] <jcoxon77> no0tic: cool
[08:18] <piratePenguin> crimsun: know how I'll get this mic working?
[08:18] <VipeRmaN> FINALLY
[08:18] <VipeRmaN> got into bios lol
[08:18] <no0tic> jcoxon77: thanks anyway! very kind from you
[08:18] <jcoxon77> no0tic: no worries
[08:19] <no0tic> jcoxon77: I found a very cool tutorial on internet
[08:19] <VipeRmaN> there it goes... :)
[08:19] <jcoxon77> no0tic: i think i found it as well
[08:19] <jcoxon77> no0tic: lol
[08:19] <RobbieB> Hi, is there somebody here who recently built their own Ubunto 2.6.8.1 kernel?
[08:21] <sgc> hello
[08:21] <Schaap> alt+f2 ?
[08:21] <VipeRmaN> nope just F2 :)
[08:21] <Schaap> ahaa
[08:22] <VipeRmaN> (also got closer to my base for my wireless keyboard
[08:24] <VipeRmaN> I don't think ubuntu is liking my other computer lol
[08:24] <DragoraN> hi
[08:24] <DragoraN> please.. how to download kde 3.3.1 for ubuntu?
[08:25] <Riddell> DragoraN: you can't, it's KDE 3.2 or 3.3.2 only
[08:25] <DragoraN> co 3.3.2
[08:25] <Schaap> thats mean
[08:25] <DragoraN> co-so
[08:25] <cardador> DragoraN: use Synaptic
[08:25] <DragoraN> ?? what?
[08:25] <Riddell> DragoraN: add the universe repository and apt-get install kde-core
[08:25] <DragoraN> i have universes added
[08:25] <mhz> anyone using fluxbox here?
[08:26] <Riddell> DragoraN: apt-get update && apt-get install kde-core
[08:26] <VipeRmaN> What are the min req for Ubuntu?
[08:26] <Riddell> DragoraN: make sure you're using hoary not warty
[08:26] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: well it depends
[08:26] <piratePenguin> mhz: I have used it... not on ubuntu.. whats wrong?
[08:26] <DragoraN> iam warty
[08:26] <DragoraN> :( damn
[08:26] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: in therory as long as its a 386
[08:27] <SirPsy> how to autoexecute ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off speed 10 duplex half during bootup ?
[08:27] <DragoraN> Riddell: so its impossible?
[08:27] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: what mhz is your computer?
[08:27] <Riddell> DragoraN: its very possible, what isn't working for you?
[08:27] <crimsun> occy: hmm, the compilation failed due to a syntax error. I'll have to look at uic.
[08:27] <DragoraN> Riddell: my kde is crashing.. kcrm or what.. khotkeys and so..
[08:27] <VipeRmaN> Ah, Well when I try to install I get this screen, "Load installer components from CD" "Installation step failed" 233 or 300..
[08:28] <crimsun> piratePenguin: is the usb headset detected now? which device is it, 0 or 1?
[08:28] <mhz> piratePenguin: the thing is that this is my 1st time using Fluxbox in a System that also has Gnome. So I have noticed there are some details regarding font sizes for some applications when run under Fluxbox BUT under Gnome.
[08:28] <VipeRmaN> but the bad part is it only has 32megs of ram
[08:28] <DragoraN> Riddell: and my geforce 4 mx 460 stops to send signal to monitor then startx, i see nvidia logo and then monitor goes to standby
[08:28] <DragoraN> Riddell: same in windows xp
[08:28] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: the ram should still be fine (i have linux (not ubuntu) on a 386 with 8mb of ram
[08:28] <SirPsy> refresh rate problem ?
[08:28] <VipeRmaN> hmm, cdrom?
[08:29] <ogra> VipeRmaN: the min reqs are 64MB for ubuntu
[08:29] <Cindux> viper why not run ubuntu live
[08:29] <crimsun> mhz: Are you saying some fonts sizes differ? Are you executing `gnome-settings-daemon' in a rxvt after fluxbox loads?
[08:29] <SirPsy> can anyone help me to force duplex settings during bootup ?
[08:29] <VipeRmaN> internet and such doesnt work with it
[08:29] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: i've got to go... but good luck! something will work in the end :)
[08:29] <crimsun> SirPsy: what did you need earlier?
[08:29] <ogra> VipeRmaN: to have a nice work experience you sould have at least 128, better 256MB
[08:29] <VipeRmaN> loL I'll get it, thanks for all the help jcoxon77
[08:29] <Cindux> i say 256,
[08:29] <SirPsy> earlier i couldnt install the e100 driver
[08:29] <Cindux> i have 128 and its still a bit laggy
[08:30] <Cindux> anyway
[08:30] <ogra> Cindux: imagine 64 ;)
[08:30] <Cindux> bla lol
[08:30] <SirPsy> wich i discussed with you yesterday orso, i solved the problem by blacklisting the ee100 module in hotplug
[08:30] <Schaap> Ok, ive tried seraching, but how do i enable telnet?
[08:30] <Cindux> i have 2 sticks of 128mb for my p3 600m hz
[08:30] <piratePenguin> crimsun: well I can hear sound outta it... its 0
[08:30] <Cindux> but the mobo only suppots 128
[08:30] <Cindux> :(
[08:30] <Schaap> server on ubunte?
[08:30] <SirPsy> now i got the nic working sofar i can use it
[08:30] <VipeRmaN> Well ihave a computer with an AMD Athlon XP 2000+ 1.67ghz and 512mb of  ram but wanted to test on something else first
[08:30] <mhz> crimsun: hi. Nop. Basically, if I run Firefox (for example) or Xchat under Gnome, they look alright. Once I run them under Fluxbox, fons get too small.
[08:30] <SirPsy> but after boot i have to set  ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off speed 10 duplex half
[08:30] <crimsun> piratePenguin: what does /proc/asound/devices tell you regarding it?
[08:30] <SirPsy> in order to get it to work
[08:30] <Cindux> just do View - Increase text size
[08:31] <SirPsy> now is my question how to get it to use the speeds at bootup as it forgets when the settings after reboot
[08:31] <crimsun> mhz: so in a rxvt, execute `gnome-settings-daemon', then restart mozilla-firefox
[08:31] <ogra> Schaap: you could install telnetd, but i really wouldnt suggest it....its highly insecure....use ssh
[08:31] <piratePenguin> crimsun: #flood
[08:31] <Cindux> Just a question to someone who would know
[08:31] <mhz> crimsun: if i do that, will fonts change once I run Gnome ?
[08:32] <Cindux> im about to buy a mini PC
[08:32] <Cindux> will this work with Ubuntu or Linux, period
[08:32] <Cindux> http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=11433&vpn=IQ3601A%20&manufacture=SOLTEK
[08:32] <Cindux> the processor is a C3
[08:32] <ogra> Cindux: why not a mini mac ;)
[08:32] <Cindux> to expensive$$
[08:32] <ogra> Cindux: 450$ are too expensive ?
[08:33] <Cindux> i just bought a new gaming machine
[08:33] <Cindux> so yep
[08:33] <crimsun> mhz: absolutely not. It uses your gnome settings.
[08:33] <Cindux> oh knows
[08:33] <crimsun> piratePenguin: are you capturing using the hw:0 device?
[08:34] <ogra> Cindux: thats a barebone....
[08:34] <VipeRmaN> It was a bad cd.. seems to be working now
[08:34] <Kirsch> hey guys, is it possible to make the icons on the nautilus desktop aligned to the right? (as apposed to the left)?
[08:34] <mhz> crimsun: ok, I'll try that. I wonder why this only happens when Gnome is installed, coz AFAIK, that ain't happen when other desktops are in the system. :)
[08:34] <kent> is there some way to make it so that ephiphany (or other browser's) loads bittornade when i click on bittorrents in the browser?
[08:34] <ogra> Cindux: with so with mem and HD you will end up at the mini mac price
[08:35] <piratePenguin> crimsun: :s ... I'm using the GNOME sound recorder :/
[08:35] <tuhl> is there a configtool for X11 available?
[08:35] <Cindux> nope
[08:35] <Cindux> ogra im just gonna pull the ram / hd from my old pc
[08:35] <Kirsch> why can't i save a file in Gnome via SFTP?
[08:35] <Cindux> :P
[08:35] <crimsun> tuhl: warty? hoary?
[08:35] <Kirsch> through gedit?
[08:35] <tuhl> hoary?
[08:35] <tuhl> hoary!
[08:36] <crimsun> tuhl: which are you using?
[08:36] <ogra> Cindux: ah, sure....
[08:36] <tuhl> crimsun: hoary
[08:36] <crimsun> tuhl: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:36] <Cindux> lol
[08:36] <Seth86> hey
[08:36] <crimsun> piratePenguin: make sure the device is selected for recording and that you're using the alsa mixer, not the oss one.
[08:37] <Seth86> Why is it that you can't play mp3 or other music files while using a ubunto livecd
[08:37] <piratePenguin> crimsun: what device file would it be using then? /dev/what? .. so I can check the permissions
[08:38] <Seth86> I am playing it from my hd
[08:38] <Seth86> I can see all the files, I just won't work
[08:38] <aebcoat> oronwolf were you having the openoffice problems?
[08:38] <Seth86> I am new to linux...
[08:38] <ssam> mp3 decoders are not included by default
[08:38] <ogra> Seth86: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:38] <Seth86> k thx ssam
[08:38] <ssam> there are potential patent issues
[08:39] <ogra> Seth86: you have to pay a lot to ship mp3 players
[08:39] <Seth86> k, and how do I fic this?
[08:39] <crimsun> piratePenguin: it doesn't use /dev/snd/ devices directly
[08:39] <Seth86> fic=fix
[08:39] <ssam> yeah, that link will explain
[08:39] <ogra> Seth86: see the ul i posted
[08:39] <ogra> url even
[08:39] <occy> crimsun: okies.  Just wanted to see what was up ;)
[08:39] <Seth86> k thx ssam
[08:39] <piratePenguin> crimsun: not workin
[08:39] <Kirsch> Seth86: as a tip, (sicne you are new), using the term "Does not work" doesn't help the person you are trying to help you, you should try and be a little more specific, like for instance "it won't play my mp3s"
[08:39] <ssam> i am not sure its possible with the live cd
[08:39] <crimsun> piratePenguin: try using arecord then
[08:40] <crimsun> piratePenguin: and use alsamixer to unmute and select the channel
[08:41] <mhz> re
[08:41] <mhz> crimsun: thanx
[08:42] <crimsun> mhz: success?
[08:42] <mhz> so far :)
[08:42] <crimsun> mhz: excellent.
[08:42] <Olivier_54> lo
[08:42] <mhz> i never used Gnome for almost 2 years :)
[08:43] <Zotnix_> I used to use KDE.. then around gnome 2.4 I switched and stayed with Gnome.
[08:43] <aebcoat> anyone know how to add something to your $PATH ?
[08:45] <piratePenguin> crimsun: k.. thanks
[08:45] <crimsun> aebcoat: ~/.bash_profile
[08:46] <mhz> aebcoat: echo export PATH=\$PATH:/usr/X11/bin >> /etc/profile
[08:46] <mhz> or many more examples at:  http://www.google.cl/linux?hl=es&q=adding+%24path&btnG=B%C3%BAsqueda+en+Google&meta=
[08:46] <usual> having the flu sucks
[08:47] <mhz> so having M$
[08:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> once i switch to hoary and do the dist-upgrade, then do i just reboot?
[08:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> flu? sorry to hear that.
[08:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just had this _insane_ dream.
[08:47] <mhz> BROKEN_LADDER: nop
[08:47] <piratePenguin> crimsun: umm.. when I run 'arecord' and start talking, whats supposed to happen?
[08:47] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: if you intend to use a new kernel, yes.
[08:48] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: otherwise it's not necessary to reboot.
[08:48] <mhz> BROKEN_LADDER: ONE of the many advantages of using any UNIX like OS is that rebooting is not a need
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i was sort of like neo..i could fly around and stuff, and we were doing things to cause the "apocolypse"
[08:48] <crimsun> piratePenguin: arecord -Dplughw:0 some.wav
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> mhz: i was told that a reboot was needed in this case.
[08:48] <mhz> BROKEN_LADDER: ONE of the many advantages of using any UNIX like OS is that rebooting is not a need
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> by a very reputable source.
[08:48] <mhz> hmmm, why rebooting?
[08:49] <NermalLaptop> lo lo
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay..i'll just log out and back in.  thx
[08:49] <mhz> all paths get refreshed by the system
[08:49] <bzbb> netsplit!
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> thx 1138
[08:49] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you will if you use a restricted module, like nvidia.ko or fglrx.ko, etc., because the libs have been bumped.
[08:49] <piratePenguin> crimsun: its even funnier when I do just 'arecord' ... ie, it works.. thanks alot!
[08:49] <mhz> that is different
[08:49] <mhz> :)
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: but that's kernel related?
[08:49] <NermalLaptop> whats the easiest way to install w32codecs on ubuntu ?  w32codecs shows up in an aptitude search but has a v next to it and seems to be uninstallable :|
[08:49] <piratePenguin> 
[08:49] <piratePenguin> 
[08:49] <piratePenguin> 
[08:49] <piratePenguin> :|
[08:50] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you will need to install linux-image-2.6.10-2-686 and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-2-686
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there a way to make gdm spawn a new x-server for each login, so that the gdm login stays on a certain screen?
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't use either of those.
[08:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> those restricted modules you mentioned.
[08:51] <kbrooks> piratePenguin, lucky UFT8
[08:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> utf8?
[08:51] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: if you do not use the non-free nvidia or fglrx drivers, then it is not necessary to reboot.
[08:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> cool.
[08:52] <crimsun> piratePenguin: excellent
[08:52] <godsmoke> how is everyone today?
[08:52] <randabis> I'm good
[08:52] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, you can configure gdm to spawn multiple servers.  Just edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[08:52] <kbrooks> I'm good
[08:52] <Schaap> is there a SSH client in windows?
[08:52] <godsmoke> there are a few SSH options for windows
[08:52] <godsmoke> the main one would be PuTTY
[08:53] <godsmoke> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[08:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> tritium: i already know about that.
[08:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> tritium: but is what i asked possible?
[08:53] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, you asked
[08:53] <Schaap> Cheers
[08:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> i asked a different question.
[08:53] <godsmoke> Schaap: there are a few commercial ssh clients as well
[08:54] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: not that I'm aware, because the first login will grab whatever's defined in /etc/inittab or /etc/gdm/gdm.conf (usually vt7)
[08:54] <godsmoke> oh -- how fun
[08:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm asking whether there is a way to just spawn one gdm on boot, but have it spawn new xservs for each new login, so that i never start up more x servers than i need.
[08:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> it would be handy if gdm eventually managed to pull off something similiar to the current OSX/WINXP login style.
[08:55] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, are you talking about "Applications->System Tools->New Login"?
[08:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> just go up to "log out" and select "switch user" and be returned to the login screen.
[08:55] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: out of curiosity, have you tried ...
[08:55] <crimsun> (tritium types faster than I do)
[08:55] <tritium> crimsun, :)
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> tritium: that's not possible if, say, the user has left his session locked.
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> i use dvorak.
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> sometimes i can type very fast.
[08:56] <tritium> crimsun and I must think alike
[08:57] <VipeRmaN> i have installation question
[08:57] <VipeRmaN> Just went through low memory intsall thingy and now it says "busybox v1.00-pre10 (debian 20040612-2) and has ~ H _.. what do I do?
[08:57] <Schaap> Why does root have # and User $ in terminal window ?
[08:58] <crimsun> Schaap: to differentiate between users
[08:58] <Schaap> aha not really important then, not a rights issue?
[08:58] <VipeRmaN> Just went through low memory intsall thingy and now it says "busybox v1.00-pre10 (debian 20040612-2) and has ~ H _.. what do I do
[08:58] <mhz> Schaap: thats a unix standard for many BASHes
[08:58] <mhz> Schaap: thats a unix standard for many shells
[08:59] <mhz> Schaap: another visual way to make the diff?
[08:59] <randabis> pesky netsplits
[09:00] <VipeRmaN> Just went through low memory intsall thingy and now it says "busybox v1.00-pre10 (debian 20040612-2) and has ~ H _.. what do I do
[09:00] <VipeRmaN> ~# *
[09:00] <ubhuti> VipeRmaN: I don't know
[09:01] <tritium> VipeRmaN, try not to repeat too often.  If somebody has an answer, they'll reply
[09:01] <VipeRmaN> sorry, I figured I'd do it one last time cuz everyone just rejoined from netsplit
[09:01] <tritium> VipeRmaN, fair enough
[09:01] <Schaap> Cheers
[09:01] <VipeRmaN> :)
[09:02] <tritium> VipeRmaN, I've never tried the low mem install, so I wouldn't know what to suggest.
[09:02] <kbrooks> VipeRmaN, be patient
[09:02] <gt500> neither did i
[09:02] <gt500> :p
[09:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> WHAT SHOuld i do when i'm met with something like this?:  ==> File on system created by you or by a script. / ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer. /   What would you like to do about it ?
[09:02] <VipeRmaN> Ah, well its an older computer with low memory and its giving me a hard time lol, maybe I should just partition this hd and do it on here
[09:03] <gt500> BROKEN_LADDER, when did you get this message N
[09:03] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, try looking at a diff to determine if anything significantly new is in the new config file
[09:03] <gt500> N = ?
[09:03] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, then, typically, keep your own config
[09:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> gotcha
[09:03] <tritium> if your config is how you want it
[09:03] <Grev> what kernel should a AMD 1800+ use 686 or k7?
[09:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> what config?  like in my /home?
[09:04] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: if you don't remember changing it, type 'y'
[09:04] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, if you hit "d" it'll display the diff between the old config and the new, wherever it resides
[09:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> changing what?  which config are we talking about?
[09:04] <godsmoke> Grev: K7
[09:04] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: that way your conffiles are kept in sync with upstream's, which makes debugging simpler
[09:04] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, you described a generic situation.  We're not talking specifics
[09:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> ??
[09:04] <randabis> I just answered Y to all of those :p
[09:05] <randabis> I didn't have any altered config files though
[09:05] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, e.g., if you configure a printer, you probably don't want to hit
[09:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> what "config" files is this thing talking about?  i thought any config files would be in ~/
[09:05] <crimsun> randabis: typically that's the best thing to do unless you yourself modified those conffiles, in which case you'll want to keep your local versions by using 'n' (which is the default).
[09:05] <tritium> "Y" if you want to keep your old printer config when cups is upgraded
[09:05] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: no, those conffiles are in /etc/...
[09:05] <jaco_> hi all :)
[09:06] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, config files for any particular package
[09:06] <jaco_> if hoary is unstable i'm santa claus :)
[09:06] <Ribs> Hi santa!
[09:06] <godsmoke> heh
[09:06] <jaco_> :)
[09:06] <zenrox> lol
[09:06] <cardador> jaco_: hi!
[09:06] <godsmoke> obviously you're not a debian user :)
[09:06] <[Spooky] > man how the f*ck do i update a deb package !? :/
[09:06] <godsmoke> if you were -- you'd know sid was never that unstable
[09:06] <jaco_> godsmoke i was a mandrake user
[09:07] <godsmoke> ...
[09:07] <crimsun> [Spooky] : for what?
[09:07] <piratePenguin> can I test gnomemeeting (audio only) with someone?
[09:07] <tritium> [Spooky] , with apt-get or synaptic or aptitude.  take your pick
[09:07] <jaco_> was :)
[09:07] <isom> is there no official mplayer package for ubuntu?
[09:07] <godsmoke> still ...
[09:07] <[Spooky] > crimsun: like Xchat
[09:07] <esher> hi fellas, my ubuntu own remote (vnc) desktop windows dont start corectly, it moves to task and after 10sec its gone to dev/null ? any help
[09:07] <[Spooky] > tritium: ok let me try...
[09:07] <crimsun> isom: no, but read the RestrictedFormats wiki entry
[09:07] <godsmoke> isom: no -- it's at marillat -- just like debian
[09:07] <cardador> [Spooky] : use Synaptic
[09:07] <usual> is there a way to rip audio from a dvd into like an mp3?
[09:07] <tritium> [Spooky] , what are you trying to update?
[09:08] <jaco_> with hoary there is an official pkg for mplayer
[09:08] <crimsun> [Spooky] : are you on warty?
[09:08] <godsmoke> usual: you will need to rip the AC3 audio first, then encode it into whatever format you like
[09:08] <[Spooky] > yes crimsun
[09:08] <isom> dang. do xmms or realplayer play movies as well as mplayer then? :P
[09:08] <godsmoke> isom: no ...
[09:08] <randabis> zmms doesn't play movies
[09:08] <isom> or totem
[09:08] <kbrooks> piratePenguin, i refrain
[09:08] <crimsun> jaco_: actually it's not official, nor is it supported. It's in multiverse.
[09:08] <randabis> xmms even
[09:08] <godsmoke> isom: totem will play them just fine -- as will xine
[09:08] <jaco_> yes is true crimsun
[09:08] <tritium> isom, xine or gxine work well, especially with win32codecs
[09:08] <godsmoke> but you can get mplayer too
[09:08] <usual> godsmoke, ok, but how
[09:08] <godsmoke> why do you need 'official' packages?
[09:08] <isom> ok.
[09:09] <godsmoke> usual: it's not a simple process
[09:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> my girlfriend is almost 22 and never learned to ride a bike.
[09:09] <crimsun> godsmoke: so you don't break things horribly.
[09:09] <whaq_> any freenx users?
[09:09] <[Spooky] > in synapitic there is like "force version" but i cant mark it....
[09:09] <godsmoke> crimsun: huh? -- what does breaking things have to do with this?
[09:09] <whaq_> there's this bug about screen resolution when resuming sessions, anyone know\cares about it?
[09:09] <crimsun> godsmoke: official packages pass a QA process to which unofficial ones aren't subject.
[09:10] <godsmoke> crimsun: marillat is NOT going to break your system -- if you think that -- go away -- no use in talking to me
[09:10] <DAC1138> whats the default ubuntu root password?
[09:10] <godsmoke> I'm aware of the quality assurance process
[09:10] <kbrooks> what is marillat
[09:10] <pw> DAC1138: It doesn't exist.
[09:10] <jaco_> DAC1138 try sudo -s
[09:10] <godsmoke> I'm also a developer -- and I've been using debian for many years
[09:10] <aebcoat> dac its your user passowrd
[09:10] <jaco_> and your usr password
[09:10] <pw> kbrooks: marillat is Christian Marillat's repository. Unofficial, but Good Stuff.
[09:10] <crimsun> godsmoke: I'm well aware they won't. I'm the one who made updated packages for mplayer.
[09:10] <tritium> kbrooks, A guy named Christian Marillat has a repository of packages for debian
[09:10] <godsmoke> kbrooks: it's an apt repository for 'illegal' packages
[09:10] <Monkiki> Hi, anyone using Skype in Ubuntu?
[09:10] <godsmoke> crimsun: then don't say they will :)
[09:11] <kbrooks> godsmoke, what are illegal packages
[09:11] <crimsun> godsmoke: I didn't say _they_ specifically will.
[09:11] <randabis> I don't think he DID say they would
[09:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> i want to compile the latest libogg and libvorbis so that oggenc will use them. but then won't it put those libs in /usr/local/lib instead of /usr/lib?  will i have to move them?
[09:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> the latest debian packages are way far behind.
[09:11] <jaco_> now, this is my curiositty, what's skype?
[09:11] <pw> kbrooks: A lot of the packages in Marillat are not DFSG-free.
[09:11] <Schaap> Apache2 via apt-get: Where are htdocs?
[09:11] <DAC1138> shoot. how can i get the root password changed? i want to do things the way i got used to
[09:11] <kbrooks> pw, huh?
[09:11] <crimsun> jaco_: voice over ip software; http://www.skype.com
[09:11] <Monkiki> Skype is a VOIP sofware
[09:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> DAC1138: sudo passwd
[09:11] <kbrooks> pw, 'not ... DFSG-free'?
[09:11] <godsmoke> crimsun: you said the reason for not using unofficial packages was so you don't "break things horribly" -- it implied inevitability
[09:11] <jaco_> uh, it sound good! crimsun
[09:11] <DAC1138> awsome, thanks
[09:11] <pw> kbrooks: Debian Free Software Guidelines. Things like mplayer and its codecs.
[09:11] <randabis> will SKYPE work with netmeeting?
[09:11] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, you can specify the install directory when you compile it
[09:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> 1138? lol
[09:12] <godsmoke> randabis: no ... it's a proprietary protocol
[09:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just watch thx 1138 director's cut yesterday.
[09:12] <randabis> ah
[09:12] <DAC1138> BROKEN_LADDER, i assume you know the number
[09:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> skype is retarded.
[09:12] <crimsun> godsmoke: please don't stuff words into my mouth, thanks :)
[09:12] <godsmoke> crimsun: I quoted you
[09:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> just use SIP.  Not skype.
[09:12] <DAC1138> BROKEN_LADDER, so yes, you do, lol. i bought the new directors cut
[09:12] <Pluk> hi all
[09:12] <Monkiki> I have problems with Skype because use /dev/dsp but esddsp don't works :(
[09:12] <randabis> I know gnomemeeting does, but my friend said it freezed the netmeeting client
[09:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> DAC1138:  it sucks.
 godsmoke: so you don't break things horribly.
[09:12] <pw> kbrooks: Many of the packages in Marillat are not Free by the standards laid down in the DFSG.
[09:12] <DAC1138> BROKEN_LADDER, i wanted sooooo bad to see it in theatres in denver when it was showing
[09:12] <godsmoke> anyway
[09:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> DAC1138: he didn't just add scenes, he added effects just the way he ruined he star wars re-releases.
[09:12] <[Spooky] > anyone have any idea why i cant upgrade xchat ?
[09:12] <crimsun> godsmoke: I did _not_ say _all_ unofficial packages will break one's system horribly.
[09:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> i used to live in Wichita.
[09:13] <tritium> godsmoke, you're extrapolating
[09:13] <kbrooks> pw, so he created this because........?
[09:13] <DAC1138> i like the new effects and changed in the new star wars rerelease
[09:13] <cardador> [Spooky] : maybe you have the latest version?
[09:13] <pw> kbrooks: Ask him.
[09:13] <pw> I do not speculate on his motivation.
[09:13] <kbrooks> pw, and is he here?
[09:13] <godsmoke> tritium: not really -- I felt the statement I made with a quote of his statement was completely in context
[09:13] <[Spooky] > cardador: i have 2.0.8 the latest is 2.4.1
[09:13] <DAC1138> but this is hardley the place for a george lucas flame war
[09:13] <godsmoke> regardless -- this isn't going to go anywhere
[09:13] <pw> kbrooks: Sheesh. http://www.google.com/search?q=christian+marillat
[09:14] <jaco_> mm, i've ubuntu and i've 2.4.1
[09:14] <kbrooks> pw, yes sir
[09:14] <godsmoke> kbrooks: it's in the wiki
[09:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> DAC1138:  those new effects looked so horrible!
[09:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> cgi is so bad.
[09:14] <jaco_> [Spooky]  apt-get update
[09:14] <jaco_> [Spooky]  apt-get upgrade
[09:14] <godsmoke> information on 'illegal' things: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> like the cgi characers in attack of the clones..they should have been suis.
[09:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> suits
[09:14] <Monkiki> So... no Skype help?
[09:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> whatto couldn't be, granted.
[09:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> Monkiki: don't use skype!
[09:15] <godsmoke> Monkiki: what's the problem than you're having?
[09:15] <godsmoke> if it's an issue with Skype -- contact skype
[09:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> Skype is proprietary and *(%$& retarded.  use sip.
[09:15] <crimsun> [Spooky] : if you would truly like updated (most current when possible) packages, use Hoary.
[09:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> sip is a standard.
[09:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> stop using skype.
[09:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> skype deserves no business.
[09:15] <godsmoke> could we get the troll to shut up?
[09:15] <Monkiki> I can't hear skype when using Rhythmbox
[09:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> troll?
[09:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm serious.
[09:15] <godsmoke> you're trolling
[09:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> no i'm not.
[09:15] <Pluk> yes u are
[09:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm serious.
[09:16] <godsmoke> dude -- skype is skype -- leave it at that
[09:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm not just saying things to rile someone up.
[09:16] <zenwhen> wow he doesnt like a piece of software, he must be a troll
[09:16] <[Spooky] > jaco_: done that and nothing changed...
[09:16] <zenwhen> @_@
[09:16] <crimsun> guys, if you don't agree with someone, just ignore him. There's no need to out and lambast him.
[09:16] <[Spooky] > crimsun: hm how do i use that is it a update program or another dist ?
[09:16] <godsmoke> zenwhen: no -- he's being nuts about it -- with no real intention other than to make an argument with himself
[09:16] <Monkiki> BROKEN: where can i get sip?
[09:16] <jaco_> only thing that don't work with my hoary is beagle, but i haven't tried too long
[09:16] <zenwhen> wow dont drag me into it
[09:16] <godsmoke> Monkiki: SIP is a protocol -- not an application -- there are a few applications that use it
[09:17] <godsmoke> zenwhen: wtf? -- you made a comment about what I said -- I can't respond?
[09:17] <Pluk> is skaype compatible with sip?
[09:17] <godsmoke> no
[09:17] <Pluk> skype*
[09:17] <randabis> Spooky read BreakMyUbuntu in the ubuntu WIKI
[09:17] <godsmoke> skype uses a proprietary protocol
[09:17] <godsmoke> you can read about it on their website
[09:17] <jaco_> [Spooky]  in /etc/apt/sources.list subst warthy with hoary
[09:17] <Monkiki> godsmoke: which application use SIP?
[09:17] <Pluk> why do ppl recommend sip then :) if you cant use it to call ppl with skype
[09:17] <DAC1138> how do i unlock the apt-get system?
[09:17] <jaco_> mmmm hoary is a test unstable version
[09:17] <godsmoke> Monkiki: there are a few -- I'm not familiar with which ones Ubuntu likes to support
[09:18] <tritium> DAC1138, what do you mean?
[09:18] <randabis> unlock?
[09:18] <jaco_> so u must know what r u doing
[09:18] <godsmoke> maybe crimsun can say
[09:18] <DAC1138> i cant do apt-get update
[09:18] <randabis> DAC use sudo
[09:18] <randabis> sudo apt-get update
[09:18] <DAC1138> still the same error
[09:18] <tritium> DAC1138, are you running synaptic?
[09:18] <jaco_> sudo -s
[09:18] <tritium> DAC1138, if you are, close it
[09:18] <crimsun> jaco_: generally speaking, yes, it's for people who like testing very current software and like assisting in shaping up the next stable release of Ubuntu.
[09:19] <DAC1138> im already superuser
[09:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> what does he mean "unlock"?
[09:19] <randabis> DAC CLOSE synaptic or aptitude
[09:19] <DAC1138> hmm, worked this time, strage
[09:19] <randabis> heh
[09:19] <DAC1138> synaptic and aptitude werent running
[09:19] <randabis> ok
[09:19] <DAC1138> that was weird
[09:19] <godsmoke> short answer: My mother uses warty -- I use hoary
[09:19] <godsmoke> :)
[09:19] <kbrooks> lol.
[09:19] <usual> is there a working transcode package for hoary anywhere
[09:20] <tritium> godsmoke, same for me and my mother
[09:20] <jaco_> crimsun i'm not ready to help in developing, but i like hoary anyway
[09:20] <kbrooks> i think maybe i could .....
[09:20] <kbrooks> hmmm
[09:20] <crimsun> jaco_: do you like testing software and reporting bugs?
[09:20] <kbrooks> maybe i could give my sisters an account
[09:20] <crimsun> jaco_: you don't need to be a developer to help out
[09:20] <DAC1138> where do i download the synaptic kernel source?
[09:20] <kbrooks> er, sister and aunt
[09:20] <DAC1138> not synaptic, lol. ubuntu
[09:20] <giard_> hoary array test 3 has actually been more stable for me than warty
[09:20] <giard_> for this laptop at least
[09:20] <DAC1138> the default ubuntu kernel source
[09:20] <randabis> I'd help develop if I knew programming. I like testing software though :) haven't found any bugs though that haven't been reported
[09:20] <godsmoke> DAC1138: there's a package for the kernel source -- or you can use 'vanilla' source from kernel.org
[09:20] <crimsun> DAC1138: for warty or hoary?
[09:21] <DAC1138> no, i dont want vanilla, i need the default
[09:21] <jaco_> crimsun i'm not sure that i can report correctly a bug. It's possible that something that for me is a bug, is simly something that i don't know
[09:21] <DAC1138> warty
[09:21] <godsmoke> there's a package
[09:21] <crimsun> DAC1138: linux-source-2.6.8.1
[09:21] <godsmoke> I don't know the name off hand
[09:21] <jaco_> anyway if i'll be sure of what i say, surely i'll report a bug
[09:21] <DAC1138> in synaptic, shouldnt i see in when i search for it?
[09:21] <randabis> what do you need the default kernel for out of curiosity?
[09:21] <tanek> is there any way to get cedega to use esd? or some other way to have sound from cedega-emulated stuff and other stuff at the same time?
[09:21] <crimsun> jaco_: if you're not sure, always ask in here first :)
[09:21] <godsmoke> DAC1138: yes -- search for "kernel-source" -- should come up
[09:21] <usual> does ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat break hoary?
[09:21] <jaco_> yes :) i'll do
[09:21] <piratePenguin> I needa voip app for linux that can also talk to winblowz lusers... ?
[09:22] <godsmoke> randabis: to compile some custom patches?
[09:22] <crimsun> usual: it should work adequately with hoary.
[09:22] <DAC1138> its not finding anything
[09:22] <spiral> usual: I've got it among my sources without any problem
[09:22] <DAC1138> dont i need to add some repositories or something
[09:22] <mz2> how do i make .debs myself from binaries i've compiled? is there a howto somewhere?
[09:22] <crimsun> DAC1138: do you have the 'main' repository enabled?
[09:22] <DAC1138> nope, i havent done any configuring
[09:22] <godsmoke> mz2: google will help
[09:22] <crimsun> mz2: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[09:22] <randabis> godsmoke, sure...I was just making sure he wasn't doing something like wanting the kernel source for nvidia drivers when you only need kernel headers
[09:22] <zenrox> DAC1138,  then read www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:22] <crimsun> DAC1138: you need to enable 'main'
[09:23] <godsmoke> randabis: ah -- no prob
[09:23] <mz2> crimsun, cheers
[09:23] <DAC1138> ok, thanks
[09:23] <godsmoke> bye sid
[09:23] <randabis> :)
[09:24] <Schaap> so, is it a bit more calm here?
[09:24] <jaco_> crimsun i think that there is a bug with GTK-gnutella pkg
[09:24] <drspin> so I installed some packages with dpkg and they isntalled with no errors but the packages weren't upgraded...
[09:24] <spiral> hmmm... is there a way to know easyly if I've still got a huge amount of packages coming from sid on my system ?
[09:24] <jaco_> i've installed it
[09:24] <godsmoke> Schaap: only a momentary lag :)
[09:24] <jaco_> but when i try to run it
[09:24] <crimsun> jaco_: in warty?
[09:24] <jaco_> no in hoary
[09:24] <godsmoke> heh
[09:24] <crimsun> jaco_: ok, please continue.
[09:25] <DAC1138> why wasnt all that "main" stuff done by default?
[09:25] <jaco_> it says i haven't Gtk gnutella in my system
[09:25] <jaco_> but i have it
[09:25] <jaco_> i've installed with synaptics
[09:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> gawd, rebuilding the scrollkeeper database is taking some time.  like the flowering of a new love.
[09:25] <randabis> DAC1138, not sure, it "should" have been
[09:25] <tritium> DAC1138, what does your /etc/apt/sources.list include?
[09:25] <DAC1138> almost nothing
[09:25] <crimsun> DAC1138: because the installer doesn't assume that the target computer has a live Internet connection unless you tell it so during the install.
[09:25] <DAC1138> i did what the main thing said, im udating the repos now
[09:25] <randabis> AH
[09:25] <randabis> that's why :p
[09:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> DAC1138: what's wrong?
[09:26] <Monkiki> another question... How can I change QT theme?
[09:26] <jaco_> /usr/bin/gtk-gnutella (no such file or directory)
[09:26] <DAC1138> BROKEN_LADDER, nothing now, its "fixed"
[09:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> DAC1138: the door seems to be jammed.
[09:26] <Schaap> Damnit
[09:26] <Schaap> Apache2 via apt-get: Where are htdocs?
[09:26] <spacey`ki> or the shift keys :P
[09:26] <DAC1138> im not finding the 2.6.8-1 kernel sources for ubuntu
[09:26] <Schaap> didnt saw the answer
[09:27] <DAC1138> 2.6.8.1-3-386 to be precise
[09:27] <spacey`ki> DAC1138, apt-cache search 2.6.8
[09:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> Installing new version of config file /etc/gdm/XKeepsCrashing ...
[09:27] <spacey`ki> its already at -4 i think
[09:27] <crimsun> DAC1138: sudo aptitude install linux-source-2.6.8.1
[09:27] <crimsun> DAC1138: you need to enable warty-security as well
[09:28] <randabis> aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh          ttttthhhhhiiiissssss           sssuuuucckkkkssssss       hhaa   haaaaa    haaaaaaaaa
[09:28] <nanouck> hi
[09:28] <spiral> randabis: keep cool :-p
[09:28] <DAC1138> crimsun, thanks a bunch, its downloading
[09:28] <randabis> I was playing with the keyboard settings spiral haha
[09:29] <nanouck> i have a problem with an acer travelmate 2350
[09:29] <crimsun> DAC1138: excellent.
[09:29] <nanouck> Does anyone have this notebook?
[09:29] <spiral> randabis: tsss :-p
[09:29] <spiral> nanouck: I've got an acer... but not this one... Tell us about your problem
[09:29] <tritium> nanouck, no, but what's the problem?
[09:29] <jaco_> crimsun , this thing about gnutella is a bug?
[09:29] <randabis> you barely press the keys and it repeats the letters like 10 times haha
[09:29] <DAC1138> this is an awsome distro, now that im into it. it just needs more packages to be installed by default, like mplayer and xine, and the mplayer codecs and it'd be set to go
[09:30] <crimsun> jaco_: I'm checking it out, one sec.
[09:30] <jaco_> ok
[09:30] <nanouck> i have made a lot of ubuntu intallation but this time i have an io error
[09:30] <kbrooks> 'Internet virtual'?
[09:30] <kbrooks> huh?
[09:30] <nanouck> when It tries to copy apt package
[09:30] <ogra> DAC1138: thats not possible, since mplayer uses illegal codecs
[09:31] <randabis> uh...
[09:31] <DAC1138> suse has found a way to do it, and mandrake too....as well as vector linux (my previous "favorite" distro)
[09:31] <[Spooky] > no luck :/
[09:31] <crimsun> [Spooky] : what did you attempt?
[09:31] <ogra> DAC1138: how muich do you pay for suse ?
[09:32] <zenrox> DAC1138,  thay paind to distrubie that stuff
[09:32] <ogra> DAC1138: how muich do you pay for ubuntu ?
[09:32] <DAC1138> oh, and ubuntu needs some automounter stuff, like something to automount usb drives and fat32 partitions
[09:32] <zenrox> paid
[09:32] <[Spooky] > crimsun: aptitude
[09:32] <ogra> DAC1138: it does
[09:32] <crimsun> [Spooky] : what did you attempt with aptitude?
[09:32] <DAC1138> ogra, suse was free, and so were the other distros i used with mplayer
[09:32] <randabis> suse is a commerical distro
[09:32] <jaco_> suse is free ? :)
[09:32] <DAC1138> ogra, my fat32 partition isnt being mounted automatically
[09:32] <randabis> as is mandrake
[09:33] <zenrox> DAC1138,  but you dont get that stuff install as a default
[09:33] <DAC1138> jaco_, yeah, i got the 9.1 personal free, they had an ISO for it avalible (free to download)
[09:33] <jaco_> mmm mandrake is free randabis , suse...mmmm
[09:33] <AndyR> lo ppl
[09:33] <[Spooky] > crimsun: ah hehe i tried to update xchat... but it just gives med version 2.0.8
[09:33] <crimsun> jaco_: that's a nasty bug.
[09:33] <ogra> DAC1138: suse costs you money if you buy a version with mplayer ... there is no mplayer on any free distro thats shipped on cd
[09:33] <ogra> DAC1138: nope, but all usb devuces so far
[09:33] <randabis> jaco no...they charge for it too...there's a community version and a commercial version
[09:33] <spiral> ogra: you can download it via apt4rpm on SuSE
[09:33] <crimsun> [Spooky] : did you dist-upgrade to Hoary?
[09:34] <jaco_> randabis bo, community version is test version, but free
[09:34] <ogra> spiral: i'm talking about distributing
[09:34] <zenrox> jaco_,  you buy the commercial ver and you get mplayer installed
[09:34] <spiral> ogra: all right
[09:34] <crimsun> [Spooky] : you'll probably need to pull down ~500 MB of updates if you didn't
[09:34] <randabis> jaco I'm aware of that
[09:34] <[Spooky] > crimsun: hm nope, how do i do that ?
[09:34] <galder> Hello everybody
[09:34] <jaco_> what it means nasty? (my english is poor)
[09:34] <randabis> read BreakMyUbuntu in the WIKI spooky
[09:34] <DAC1138> is ubuntu pronounced "ooo-boon-too" ?
[09:35] <[Spooky] > is it this thing with repository ?
[09:35] <randabis> yes
[09:35] <crimsun> jaco_: it means I've confirmed the bug exists, and I'm working on it.
[09:35] <jaco_> ah :) ok
[09:35] <drspin> Package Reccomendation for inclusion in Hoary :: GMAILFS
[09:35] <tritium> DAC1138, yeah, there's info on pronunciation on the website
[09:35] <randabis> gmailfs?
[09:35] <DAC1138> lol
[09:35] <zenrox> ya
[09:35] <zenrox> lol
[09:35] <DAC1138> suse needs a pronounciation guide too
[09:35] <randabis> I say soose
[09:35] <zenrox> suuuuseee
[09:35] <DAC1138> same here
[09:36] <crimsun> [offtopic]  I've always pronounced it "soozuh"
[09:36] <jaco_> i hate suse, is a slow distro
[09:36] <ogra> DAC1138: pronounce it german and you are set ;)
[09:36] <DAC1138> well, is say "sue-seh"  not "suzeeeeee"
[09:36] <zenrox> lol
[09:36] <randabis> suzy haha
[09:36] <jaco_> a slow bad distro with a proper vision of unix...tze'
[09:36] <zenrox> lol
[09:37] <randabis> I hate YaST :p
[09:37] <zenrox> me too
[09:37] <randabis> otherwise I think it's decent
[09:37] <DAC1138> i dont care much for it
[09:37] <randabis> I purchased it once
[09:37] <tritium> Suse is one distro I haven't tried.
[09:37] <jaco_> what's yast ? :)))))
[09:37] <randabis> 8.2 professional
[09:37] <spiral> gmailfs : dependancy problem for me :-/
[09:37] <DAC1138> its to big and bloated, and supposed to be easy to configure your stuff... but its not
[09:37] <tritium> This is my progression: slackware -> redhat -> debian -> ubuntu
[09:37] <kent> suse as in "Kaiser Sooze"
[09:37] <DAC1138> jaco_, yet another system tool
[09:38] <jaco_> DAC1138 yes, i know, i was jocking
[09:38] <randabis> mandrake --> suse --> gentoo --> fedora --> gentoo --> suse --> novell desktop linux --> ubuntu
[09:38] <jaco_> my progression: slack, mandrake, ubuntu
[09:38] <jaco_> i've tryed redhat, fedora, suse
[09:38] <tritium> randabis, oh yeah, I've tried mandrake and gentoo for brief periods
[09:38] <jaco_> until now ubuntu is the top
[09:38] <randabis> I've used slack before, but never installed it
[09:38] <cardador> what about windows in that progression :) ?
[09:38] <DAC1138> how do i install .deb files?
[09:39] <randabis> dpkg -i foo.deb
[09:39] <ermo> suse has done a decent job of utf-8'ing everything (9.1)
[09:39] <whiprush> jdub: pong
[09:39] <jaco_> i like some windows software
[09:39] <DAC1138> dpkg, thats it, i was thinking along the lines of pkginstall like slackware
[09:39] <jaco_> xpress
[09:39] <jaco_> illustrator
[09:39] <randabis> oh, I've installed red hat 9 before too...
[09:39] <jaco_> photoshop
[09:39] <zenrox> rh 7.0 -7.2 -> mdk 8.0 -10.1 ->gentoo ->suse 8.1 ->ubuntu 4.10- 5.04
[09:39] <jaco_> fireworks
[09:40] <jaco_> i home macromedia will port their software on linux
[09:40] <jaco_> hope
[09:40] <ogra> whiprush: do you really expect him to be awake ?
[09:40] <randabis> doubt they will..they won't even give us shockwase
[09:40] <randabis> shockwave
[09:40] <cardador> jaco_: a lot of people that i know wont change to linux just because theres not an equivalent to the solver on Excel
[09:40] <whiprush> ogra: eventually he will be. ;)
[09:40] <tritium> Man, I used to take like 30 floppies to the computer lab to install slackware back in 1993
[09:40] <ogra> hehe
[09:41] <galder> Excuseme, do you have any stats of the users of Ubuntu by country?
[09:41] <galder> Somethin like: USA %30...
[09:41] <galder> thanks
[09:42] <galder> is just because of curiosity
[09:42] <subterri1ic> seb128: around?
[09:43] <tritium> cardador, I think gnumeric is a good excel replacement
[09:43] <subterri1ic> seb128: i found a fix for a few of your packages that are broken on amd64
[09:43] <randabis> I wish openoffice wasn't so unstable :/
[09:43] <zenrox> me too
[09:43] <seb128> subterri1ic: nice, I didn't even know that some packages were broken on amd64 :p
[09:43] <randabis> the package in ubuntu is really bad
[09:44] <ogra> seb128: me naither (says the amd64 user)
[09:44] <tritium> I mostly used LaTeX
[09:44] <tritium> use
[09:44] <setite> randabis your the man
[09:44] <ogra>  /a/e/
[09:44] <setite> haha... at least you can use OOo... i cant figure that damn spreadsheet out
[09:44] <cardador> tritium: i think the same, use it everyday, but something like Excel solver is still missing
[09:45] <randabis> haha
[09:45] <tritium> cardador, I'm not much of a spreadsheet user, so I don't know about it
[09:45] <setite> i want to make 6 columns
[09:45] <setite> how do i do that
[09:45] <randabis> I don't use the spreadsheet really :/
[09:45] <setite> i dont want to have to simply size them to force the others off the page
[09:45] <jaco_> damned adsl
[09:45] <setite> i want to make it so there is only 6 columns
[09:45] <subterri1ic> seb128: well i'm not sure if evolution-exchange-storage is your's but it and gnome-launch-box both have the same problem. they segfpe on launch
[09:45] <randabis> HELL I don't really use it at all considering how unstable the crap is
[09:45] <cardador> tritium: do you happen to use Lyx?
[09:45] <setite> is it unstable?
[09:46] <setite> i guess i havent used it enough since i cant figure out what i need it to do...
[09:46] <randabis> my OOo crashes ALL THE TIME :/
[09:46] <setite> but yea ive heard its pretty bad
[09:46] <tritium> cardador, no, I rather dislike it.  I just use a text editor
[09:46] <VipeRmaN> Can I run a dual boot with ubuntu and xp?
[09:46] <randabis> yes
[09:46] <subterri1ic> seb128: i just posted a comment with my solution in bug# 3619
[09:46] <setite> ViperMan of course you can
[09:46] <tritium> cardador, you?
[09:47] <VipeRmaN> Do I have to install either of them first? and in the installation will it ask me what partition i want to install it on?
[09:47] <cardador> I use Lyx,  but now it is broken on Hoary :(
[09:47] <tritium> cardador, Oh...
[09:47] <seb128> subterri1ic: thanks
[09:47] <setite> thats a good question that i was abotu to to ask
[09:47] <setite> which OS do i install first
[09:47] <setite> ive always done windows first... what if i did ubuntu first
[09:47] <cardador> setite: windows
[09:47] <subterri1ic> seb128: you're welcome, i'm itching to try gnome-launch-box :)
[09:48] <setite> viper the installation will ask you which partition
[09:48] <ogra> setite: win wilck you HDl hija
[09:48] <cardador> setite: windows will change the mbr, so its better to install it first
[09:48] <setite> i didnt understand what you said but i think i get it
[09:48] <setite> yea fucking windows
[09:48] <ogra> setite: win will hijack your HD
[09:48] <jaco_> what's windows? :))))
[09:48] <setite> doesnt know how to take a passenger seay
[09:48] <seb128> subterri1ic: have you rebuilt it with the new autoconf, or that's just a suggestion ?
[09:49] <setite> viper... if you have windows.... be sure to defragment... then partition... then install ubuntu
[09:49] <VipeRmaN> well I use Partition Magic 8
[09:49] <VipeRmaN> just made the partition
[09:49] <setite> perfect
[09:49] <subterri1ic> seb128: the other program i'm talking about in the comment is gnome-launch-box. i downloaded the source while i was waiting for your package to show up
[09:49] <setite> thats what i used
[09:49] <isom> how do I get mousegestures for firefox?
[09:49] <setite> did you defragment first
[09:49] <setite> or is this a fresh install
[09:50] <VipeRmaN> no but I think pm8 did it for me
[09:50] <setite> nope
[09:50] <crimsun> jaco_: the build process for gtk-gnutella is broken in the package. I'll see if I can iron it out.
[09:50] <LinuxJones> isom, you install extension
[09:50] <VipeRmaN> i defragment often
[09:50] <setite> i dont think it does that
[09:50] <setite> ok... then you should be good
[09:50] <subterri1ic> seb128: so autoreconf fixed the gnome-launch-box build, and it was showing the same behavior as evolution-exchange-storage, so i'm assuming it is related
[09:50] <VipeRmaN> oh well i think it will be ok though
[09:50] <VipeRmaN> Im gonna go, thanks for everything :)
[09:50] <setite> if windows starts crashing... then you will know you need to defrag
[09:50] <setite> good luck
[09:50] <seb128> subterri1ic: ok, nice, thanks
[09:50] <jaco_> ah, ok crimsun
[09:50] <setite> you should be safe
[09:50] <setite> adfs
[09:50] <isom> ok. I thought there's some apt-get command for that too
[09:50] <setite> d
[09:50] <setite> fsd
[09:50] <Schaap> damn apache2 is annoying to get right over apt
[09:51] <Schaap> it installs but thats it
[09:51] <Schaap> dunno where everything is
[09:51] <Schaap> or why it keeps going to /apache2-default/
[09:51] <tritium> Schaap, "dpkg -L" will list files in a package
[09:51] <jaco_> crimsun there is another little bug in network admin :) can i say?
[09:52] <Schaap> aha
[09:52] <tritium> Schaap, (supply the package name, of course, in the command)
[09:52] <Schaap> and where is htdocs?
[09:52] <Schaap> well, apt-get install apache2
[09:52] <Schaap> duh
[09:52] <Schaap> localhost works
[09:52] <crimsun> jaco_: please file bugs for them on bugzilla and msg me the urls, I will take them.
[09:52] <Schaap> and its located in etc/apache2
[09:52] <jaco_> ok, i go
[09:53] <Schaap> Bye
[09:53] <tritium> hasta luego
[09:53] <Madeye>  I have downloaded Ubuntu linux, the md5sum is 7159290f68dff2a93f1a07d2c2b6ce35, How to compare the md5sum in ubuntu site with my downloaded one? to check if its not currepted?
[09:53] <tritium> md5sum
[09:54] <Crane_> hello all
[09:54] <Cindux> oy
[09:55] <Madeye> tritium,  ok but how, sorry but i'm very newbie
[09:55] <r3v3rb> is xine-ui in hoary yet ?
[09:55] <subterrific> Madeye: what OS are you running right now?
[09:55] <Madeye> subterrific, Novell 9.
[09:55] <tritium> Madeye, "man md5sum" will give you the manual page for how to use it.
[09:56] <K-Rich> greets
[09:56] <r3v3rb> and no mplayer yet either ?
[09:56] <K-Rich> there is a tutorial on the ummm... one sec
[09:56] <tritium> Madeye, md5sum --help for brief help
[09:56] <crimsun> r3v3rb: mplayer is in 'hoary/multiverse'
[09:57] <r3v3rb> it is ?
[09:57] <subterrific> Madeye: md5sum <name of downloaded file> will give you the md5 checksum to compare
[09:57] <K-Rich> http://ubuntuguide.org/#generatemd5
[09:57] <K-Rich> there
[09:57] <r3v3rb> whats the deb line for multiverse crimsun
[09:57] <K-Rich> how to generate them followed by how to check them
[09:57] <Madeye> subterrific,  ok, but do I have to compare thos lines manually ?
[09:57] <subterrific> Madeye: but unless you're having some sort of issue with things getting corrupted, you should be fine
[09:57] <crimsun> r3v3rb: it's already in /etc/apt/sources.list; just enable it using Synaptic or uncomment it, then Update
[09:57] <Cindux> How would a 1.0ghz / 256mb RAM pc handle Ubuntu ?
[09:57] <subterrific> Madeye: yes
[09:58] <Cindux> mini pc *
[09:58] <r3v3rb> its not in mine crimsun
[09:58] <crimsun> Cindux: just fine.
[09:58] <K-Rich> Madeye: maybe use diff ?
[09:58] <drspin> spiral: me too
[09:58] <Cindux> bla
[09:58] <Dutchy> evening... is upgrading the kernel on ubuntu just as easy as the rest of ubuntu? and if so, how do i do that?
[09:58] <Madeye> subtewhat is diff K-Rich
[09:58] <Cindux> i dunt know if its supported lol
[09:58] <r3v3rb> i only have : main, universe and security
[09:58] <drspin> spiral: I mean the gmailfs dependencty problem
[09:58] <crimsun> r3v3rb: for hoary?
[09:58] <spiral> drspin: ah... ok... thanks...
[09:58] <r3v3rb> yeh
[09:58] <drspin> whoa that was so long ago
[09:58] <K-Rich> Madeye: man diff :P
[09:58] <Madeye> err
[09:58] <subterrific> Madeye: things don't usually get corrupted unless you're having hardware problems
[09:58] <crimsun> r3v3rb: you should have a line for multiverse as well unless you deleted it.
[09:59] <Madeye> is that how you treat a newbie
[09:59] <r3v3rb> dont remember deleting anything
[09:59] <K-Rich> Madeye: only while i'm opening a page :P   diff - compare files line by line
[09:59] <tritium> Madeye, look at the "-c" switch in md5sum.  You don't have to check manually if you place the checksum and filename in a file.
[09:59] <r3v3rb> could you post it please crimsun
[09:59] <subterrific> Madeye: just compare the lines manually, it isn't difficult...geez
[10:00] <K-Rich> Madeye: diff -a <dile1> <file2>
[10:00] <K-Rich> err file1
[10:00] <subterrific> Madeye: if the first 4 characters and last 4 characters match, its the same
[10:00] <crimsun> r3v3rb: in Desktop>Administration>Synaptic Package Manager, under Settings>Repositories, is there a multiverse line?
[10:00] <crimsun> re ogra
[10:01] <subterrific> Madeye: and like i said, unless you're having hardware problems, comparing the md5sums is pretty much a waste of time
[10:01] <r3v3rb> nooooo. lol
[10:01] <ogra> heh
[10:01] <crimsun> r3v3rb: you can copy the one you have for universe, but simply replace universe with multiverse
[10:01] <Madeye> okay
[10:01] <r3v3rb> :)
[10:01] <ogra> crimsun: my keymap just changed to czech or russian or something... out of nowhere....
[10:02] <K-Rich> crimsun: why not just paste them a decent sources.list like mine :P   http://rafb.net/paste/results/lI4C0Z17.html
[10:02] <drspin> anyone know of a good tutorial to build some debian packages?
[10:02] <Dutchy> too many people online to get an answer :) i guess ill have to come back later ^^
[10:02] <crimsun> ogra: yikes!
[10:02] <tritium> Dutchy, it's not hard
[10:02] <ogra> crimsun: i'll poke daniels....
[10:03] <crimsun> Dutchy: yes, it's quite simple, but you shouldn't need to upgrade at all unless you're dist-upgrading from warty->hoary
[10:03] <K-Rich> Dutchy: what ya trying to do?
[10:03] <tritium> Dutchy, which kernel do you have, and which do you want to upgrade to?
[10:04] <Dutchy> dunno, i just installed ubuntu and i saw it was kernel version 2.6.8-something and afaik the newest is 2.6.10
[10:04] <crimsun> Dutchy: ubuntu's 2.6.8.1 is patched with the latest security errata
[10:04] <NanoTek> Bye
[10:04] <tritium> Dutchy, I'm not sure if 2.6.10 is available in Warty.
[10:04] <ogra> tritium: its not
[10:05] <ogra> Dutchy: the tested stable krnel for warty is  2.6.8.1
[10:05] <tritium> ogra, thanks.  I don't run Warty.
[10:05] <ogra> Dutchy: the unstable development kernel for ubuntu is 2.6.10 in hoary
[10:05] <alainm> my god, this is one of the slickest distros i've ever used
[10:06] <ogra> :)
[10:06] <r3v3rb> also openoffice complains when using the autopilot about not being installed correctly
[10:06] <piratePenguin> how do I install a .deb file I just downloaded?
[10:06] <tritium> piratePenguin, dpkg -i
[10:06] <r3v3rb> the same in warty and hoary
[10:06] <Dutchy> is it bad to use the unstable version with ubuntu? with some distro's it is, some it isnt
[10:06] <piratePenguin> tritium: thanks
[10:06] <r3v3rb> alainm, i would have to agree
[10:06] <ogra> piratePenguin: you shouldnt do that, execept its a ubuntu package
[10:06] <tritium> piratePenguin, sure, and see ogra's comment
[10:07] <alainm> what is the tool to use to control my wireless?
[10:07] <jaco_> crimsun bug #5796
[10:07] <crimsun> Dutchy: hoary's great imo, your mileage may vary
[10:07] <piratePenguin> orga: too late :(   ... It's linphone .. got it from http://simon.morlat.free.fr/download/0.12.2/deb/
[10:07] <crimsun> ogra: *shudders*
[10:07] <tritium> Dutchy, they're nearing a feature freeze on Hoary.  It's fairly stable.
[10:07] <ogra> heh
[10:07] <tritium> Fewer updates lately.
[10:08] <r3v3rb> tritium, they need to sort the xorg.conf problems though
[10:08] <tritium> r3v3rb, which problems?
[10:08] <r3v3rb> many laptop uses will be annoyed
[10:08] <Dutchy> ok i guess ill upgrade to hoary... :) if i can find how, that is...
[10:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> I'M USING hoary now.  it seems fine.
[10:08] <zenrox> me too
[10:08] <r3v3rb> not grabbing the horz/vert refresh rates and squashing the display all over the place
[10:09] <alainm> i am running mine on a laptop and it's skick
[10:09] <alainm> slick
[10:09] <alainm> :)
[10:09] <kent> Dutchy, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary  that one might help?
[10:09] <Cindux> I posted earlier but got no reponse
[10:09] <tritium> r3v3rb, do you have an ATI card?
[10:09] <r3v3rb> alainm, hoary ?
[10:09] <carambol> upgrading to hoary
[10:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have a problem houston: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:09] <Cindux> would this mini pc work with Ubuntu ?
[10:09] <Cindux> http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=11433&vpn=IQ3601A%20&manufacture=SOLTEK
[10:09] <alainm> warty
[10:09] <r3v3rb> no worse
[10:09] <carambol> should i use the backports als?
[10:09] <Dutchy> probably :D thanks for the help all
[10:09] <Cindux> the processor is a VIA C3 ?
[10:09] <tritium> r3v3rb, I've had no such problems with my nVidia
[10:09] <r3v3rb> a savage
[10:09] <ogra> r3v3rb: its not april yet ;)
[10:09] <r3v3rb> i only post my own experience guys ! lol
[10:10] <AndyR> im using ati rage 2c
[10:10] <tritium> My Hoary laptop rocks.  suspend-to-disk is working.  suspend-to-ram is almost working, and the power management rocks
[10:10] <r3v3rb> nice
[10:10] <giard_> sigh
[10:10] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[10:10] <giard_> I wish my suspend to ram worked
[10:10] <giard_> when it comes back up all I get is colors flashing on my screen
[10:10] <crimsun> carambol: backports are a bad idea unless they're properly built
[10:10] <r3v3rb> wheres the openoffice setup on ubuntu to do the necessary repair to get autopilot working ?
[10:11] <tritium> giard_, did you try disabling video posting on resume?
[10:11] <carambol> should i use the backports in i upgrade to hoary
[10:11] <tritium> carambol, no
[10:11] <carambol> ok man
[10:11] <giard_> tritium: how do I do that?
[10:11] <crimsun> carambol: if you're upgrading to hoary, there's no reason to use backports.
[10:11] <tritium> giard_, edit /etc/default/acpi-support
[10:11] <tritium> giard_, I commented out the line that says "POST_VIDEO=true"
[10:11] <carambol> ok thanks crimsum + tritium
[10:12] <carambol> crimsum and universe ?
[10:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't kill the process that's using it crimsun!
[10:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> ack
[10:12] <giard_> tritium: here goes
[10:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> i tried kill -9
[10:12] <tritium> carambol, and multiverse too :)
[10:12] <carambol> yep
[10:12] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: which process is hogging it?
[10:12] <tritium> giard_, good luck :)
[10:12] <giard_> tritium: so what would the easiest way to test be?  I was using a script before
[10:13] <r3v3rb> let me guess guys its only my laptop thats missing the gnome menu editing functions then ?
[10:13] <tritium> giard_, I just test it by hitting the sleep button
[10:13] <subterrific> r3v3rb: nope
[10:13] <ogra> r3v3rb: it was disbled upsteam
[10:13] <r3v3rb> why why why ?
[10:13] <tritium> giard_, you're on Hoary, right?  And you've seen this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM
[10:14] <crimsun> jaco_: please include more information on #5796, for instance how you've configured it and steps to reproduce the problem.
[10:14] <crimsun> jaco_: also, please file a bug for gtk-gnutella, too
[10:14] <ogra> r3v3rb: because there is the f.d.o spec now, but no new app implemented yet
[10:14] <r3v3rb> f.d.o ?
[10:14] <subterrific> r3v3rb: freedesktop.org
[10:14] <r3v3rb> ah ha
[10:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: dpkg
[10:15] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: does ps show the dpkg process in D or Z state?
[10:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> d
[10:16] <tritium> giard_, I keep putting off my paper...I should go.  you can msg me if you like
[10:16] <r3v3rb> subterrific, so no way to add programs into the hoary menus yet ?
[10:17] <ogra> r3v3rb: edit .desktop files....
[10:17] <r3v3rb> ugh.
[10:17] <r3v3rb> lmao
[10:17] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: hmm, if it's in D state, then that's a much more serious issue related to the hardware
[10:17] <billytwowilly> gnome menus are a PITA. KDE owns on this one;)
[10:17] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: are there any messages in dmesg regarding controller failure?
[10:17] <r3v3rb> kde is cack though
[10:17] <tritium> pita?  that makes me hungry
[10:17] <subterrific> haha
[10:17] <Kakalto> If I want to watch all my anime on my read-only ntfs drive, I have to watch them as root, don't I?
[10:17] <r3v3rb> looks like a trashy os when running kde
[10:18] <HrdwrBoB> Kakalto: no, you can mount it as your user
[10:18] <Kakalto> ahk
[10:18] <HrdwrBoB> Kakalto: add uid=1000,gid=1000 to the options in fstab
[10:18] <kent> Kakalto, its in here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[10:19] <Kakalto> ahh
[10:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't see anything.
[10:19] <Kakalto> thanks :)
[10:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> kde is crap.
[10:19] <r3v3rb> BROKEN_LADDER, agreed
[10:20] <VipeRmaN> hey guys im back again
[10:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think i'm just going to reboot.  this is ridiculous.
[10:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't kill a process??
[10:20] <Ribs> kill -9 <pid>
[10:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> root      5226  0.0  4.4  17312 14468 ?        D    12:55   0:00 /usr/bin/dpkg --unpack /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.10-2-686_2.6.10-10_i386.deb
[10:20] <Ribs> that will 'force' a process to die
[10:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> it doesn't work.
[10:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> kill -9 5226 right?
[10:20] <Ribs> yes
[10:20] <ratinto> how do I get ubuntu to detect my sound blaster live, sound card?
[10:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> doesn't work
[10:20] <Ribs> hrm
[10:20] <Ribs> odd
[10:21] <aCilnv> hi all .. I know it's not a 100% ubuntu question .. i can't make sense out of apple.com ..
[10:21] <parazoid> Does someone know how to make firefox download more than two files
[10:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> the mini?
[10:21] <aCilnv> How do i get a mac os x apple to print to ubuntu shared cups printer?
[10:21] <Ribs> parazoid: about:config -- change some of the network.* settings
[10:21] <crimsun> Ribs: you can't kill a process in D state
[10:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> what the hell is d state?
[10:21] <crimsun> Ribs: that's why it's called 'D' -- uninterruptable sleep
[10:21] <subterrific> defunct
[10:21] <r3v3rb> ooo setup - repair still doesn't get the templates working ?! is this a bug in ooo or the ubuntu install of it ?
[10:21] <VipeRmaN> I'm at the partition disks screen... Has my two hdd's.. but not showing my partitions.. just the WHOLE hdd, says "erace ENTIRE disk: IDE1 master (hda) - 20.4GB Maxtor 2B020H1
[10:21] <parazoid> Ribs, ok
[10:22] <parazoid> Ribs, Is it this one: network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server?
[10:22] <LinuxJones> ratinto, that soundcard should be found automatically
[10:22] <Ribs> parazoid: possibly
[10:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm rebooting
[10:23] <Ribs> just change all the '2' values to something else ;)
[10:23] <Ribs> see what happens
[10:23] <parazoid> ratinto, mine was detected automatically
[10:23] <parazoid> Ribs, i?ll give it a try, then :9
[10:23] <r3v3rb> can someone try the autopilot on their oOO
[10:23] <r3v3rb> please
[10:23] <VipeRmaN> I'm at the partition disks screen... Has my two hdd's.. but not showing my partitions.. just the WHOLE hdd, says "erace ENTIRE disk: IDE1 master (hda) - 20.4GB Maxtor 2B020H1, Can anyone help me?
[10:25] <ratinto> well I guess it has detected it, its just not working, is there something else I need to do now?
[10:26] <LinuxJones> ratinto, it might be muted
[10:27] <LinuxJones> ratinto, right click the volume icon top right hand of your screen and open volume control
[10:27] <crimsun> ratinto: paste the output of `amixer' to http://pastebin.ca
[10:28] <VipeRmaN> [!!]  Partition disks...No root file system...No root file system is defined...Please correct this from the partitioning menu.
[10:28] <ratinto> it said "sorry no mixer element and/or devices found
[10:28] <piratePenguin> anyone here use voip? how do I get a sip a/c?
[10:28] <meskes> Ok, I have to say that Im fairly impressed with Ubuntu. To all the devs here in the channel. VERY nice work.
[10:29] <spiral> yeah, I agree with meskes...
[10:29] <spiral> ubuntu devels do a great job :-)
[10:29] <Dutchy> there are devs in this channel?
[10:29] <crimsun> Dutchy: quite a few
[10:29] <Dutchy> cool
[10:29] <spiral> :-)
[10:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> where are the settings that define the gnome menus, like "places" etc.  I want to consolidate them to one menu.
[10:30] <VipeRmaN> owell I'll just unpartition my hdd and use my second hdd for ubuntu
[10:30] <crimsun> ratinto: please paste the output of `lsmod' onto http://pastebin.ca
[10:30] <meskes> One question I have is this. is the 2.6.10 kernel in the "unstable" repository?
[10:30] <crimsun> meskes: in Hoary? yes.
[10:30] <ratinto> ok crimson
[10:30] <meskes> crimsun: wasnt sure, I didnt want to apt-pin and find out it wasnt there.
[10:31] <crimsun> meskes: you could always check via archive.ubuntu.com, or enable the repo(s) and use apt-cache policy
[10:31] <meskes> crimsun: thanks. :)
[10:31] <Scognito> hi all
[10:31] <Guardiann> hello
[10:31] <Scognito> any chance to see muine working again on hoary?
[10:31] <meskes> crimsun: and that would be the reason packages.unbuntu.org didnt work. heh
[10:31] <r3v3rb> arghhhhh. openoffice is knackered guys
[10:32] <crimsun> r3v3rb: how so? it works fine on my Hoary box (just updated 10 mins ago)
[10:32] <r3v3rb> try the autopilot
[10:32] <r3v3rb> fill in some details then hit create
[10:33] <r3v3rb> cannot find the templates is all i ever get
[10:33] <lyy> can someone tell me what packaging system is used with ubuntu?
[10:33] <wrd> apt
[10:33] <usual> dpkg
[10:33] <lyy> so which one is it?
[10:33] <lyy> both?
[10:34] <meskes> lyy: yes
[10:34] <crimsun> r3v3rb: works fine here.
[10:34] <wrd> it's from debian
[10:34] <meskes> lyy: apt is a front end to dpkg, more or less
[10:34] <lyy> meskes: which one is the better? dpkg or apt-get?
[10:34] <lyy> meskes: ahhh ok
[10:34] <meskes> apt is everything holy.
[10:34] <lyy> i am coming from fedora
[10:34] <r3v3rb> bejeesus
[10:35] <lyy> and i use yum and apt there
[10:35] <spiral> r3v3rb: works fine here too
[10:35] <r3v3rb> what is wrong with this hoary
[10:35] <r3v3rb> at my end
[10:35] <spiral> r3v3rb: feeling alone ? :-p
[10:35] <r3v3rb> time to start agan
[10:35] <meskes> "apt-get install lyy-brain" :p
[10:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm having a problem where my system freezes if i try to ls /boot
[10:35] <r3v3rb> yes spiral
[10:35] <lyy> is there a howto for how to use synaptic, apt, and dkpg
[10:35] <meskes> lyy: yes.
[10:35] <BROKEN_LADDER>  /boot is full.  ...????
[10:35] <meskes> lyy: its all on the website.
[10:35] <r3v3rb> is it best to dist-upgrade using synaptic or apt ?
[10:36] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: if you suspect so, look at the output of `df -h'
[10:36] <Balthazar> anyone know how I can fix a problem with /dev/sequencer not existing?
[10:36] <LinuxJones> lyy, Ubuntu has like 14,000 packages available for download ;D
[10:36] <kent> hmm, muine depends on libflac4, which is not in Hoary :(
[10:36] <lyy> meskes: can you give me a link? or should i just spend some hours looking for it?
[10:36] <meskes> lyy: ubuntu.org?
[10:36] <crimsun> Balthazar: sudo modprobe snd-seq-oss
[10:36] <meskes> thats where I would start.
[10:36] <lyy> ok. i'll try looking there
[10:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: no, it IS full.
[10:36] <meskes> lyy: go to the wiki
[10:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> the ?? is wtf
[10:37] <kent> lyv, the topic on this channel might help you aswell ;)
[10:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> /dev/hda1              47M   47M  4.0K 100% /boot
[10:37] <VipeRmaN> What does it mean when after I close the ubuntu installation I go into Partition Magic 8 and detecting my whold hdd as "BAD" rather than NTFS?
[10:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't remember making it that small.
[10:37] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: are you able to rotate something out temporarily?
[10:37] <lyy> is there a package for using a tv tuner?
[10:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> checking
[10:37] <Balthazar> crimsun: there is afile there now, but I still get a not found error from my application
[10:37] <r3v3rb> i wonder if the ubuntu install disc supplied on the lxf cover was knackered
[10:37] <Balthazar> crimsun: in xterm it is yellow text with black bg if that means anything
[10:38] <LinuxJones> lyy, yeah there are a few tvtime is one
[10:38] <VipeRmaN> Does anyone know?
[10:38] <crimsun> Balthazar: ls output, you mean?
[10:38] <Balthazar> crimsun: yes, sorry
[10:38] <crimsun> Balthazar: that's fine. What application are you attempting to use?
[10:39] <topyli> BROKEN_LADDER: my /boot is using about 6.6M
[10:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> then wtf
[10:39] <lyy> LinuxJones: thanks. writing it down. as soon as i figure out how to install stuff, i'll try that. which one is the better one tho? or at least, theone that usually works for generic tv tuners
[10:39] <Balthazar> crimsun: heh, a game that I am involved with developing
[10:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> try sip instead of skype
[10:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> skype is proprietary.
[10:39] <crimsun> jaco_: please update #5796 with your local details, and please fill out a report for gtk-gnutella.
[10:39] <Dutchy> which fairly new games are available for ubuntu? are things like NWN and ut2k4 working?
[10:39] <Balthazar> crimsun: but when I was trying to get MIDI support the other day, I had the same issue
[10:39] <AndyR> BROKEN_LADDER, and your point?
[10:39] <crimsun> Dutchy: games are distro-independent
[10:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> AndyR: my point is that it's proprietary.
[10:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> therefore it shouldn't be used.
[10:40] <LinuxJones> lyy, tvtime get's alot of good press >> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/09/22/0120255
[10:40] <crimsun> Dutchy: I've run the ut2k4 demo, quake3, et, and nwn 1.64 on Ubuntu Warty and Hoary
[10:40] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, he is free to use whatever he wants.
[10:40] <AndyR> according to you
[10:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> but it's proprietary.
[10:40] <tritium> he can still use it
[10:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> "free to use" != should use.
[10:40] <Balthazar> BROKEN_LADDER: Right tool for the right job
[10:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> he's free to use mp3 too.  doesn't mean he shoudl.
[10:40] <lyy> LinuxJones: thx
[10:41] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, you want to take away his freedom to choose?
[10:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> a proprietary protocol is never the right tool.
[10:41] <Dutchy> crimsun, does that also mean they're not in the package tree?
[10:41] <parazoid> Does someone know how to make firefox download more than two files
[10:41] <AndyR> i do use mp3 as i have a diamond rio
[10:41] <lyy> hehe, i can't believe it. ubuntu runs entirely in memory for me.
[10:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> tritium: no.  but he should excercise his freedom to choose by choosing sip.
[10:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> AndyR: you shouldn't buy products that don't support vorbis.
[10:41] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, he can exercise his freedom however he best sees fit
[10:41] <lyy> fedora has 8700k or more swapped usually
[10:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> can != should
[10:41] <crimsun> parazoid: err...download more than 2 files, I suppose :)
[10:42] <crimsun> parazoid: why, is something broken?
[10:42] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, quit forcing your opinion on others
[10:42] <AndyR> show me a ogg player that i can go running with for 10
[10:42] <crimsun> Dutchy: generally speaking, commercial games are not in any tree.
[10:42] <meskes> BROKEN_LADDER: You sound like Stallman.
[10:42] <parazoid> crimsun, I don?t know. I just cannot download more than two files at a time
[10:42] <Dutchy> kk
[10:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not an opnion.
[10:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> opinion even
[10:43] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, it most certainly is
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> skype is proprietary
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> skype is proprietary
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> fact
[10:43] <AndyR> BROKEN_LADDER, yes it is YOUR opinion
[10:43] <tritium> That doesn't mean he should not use it
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> fact
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> fact
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> fact
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> fact
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> fact
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> fact
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> fact
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> fact
[10:43] <Balthazar> Please take flame wars outside the channel
[10:43] <spiral> BROKEN_LADDER: have you got an alternative for skype ?
[10:43] <lyy> do we have a moderator in here?
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> sip
[10:43] <lyy> someone kick this guy
[10:43] <crimsun> please guys, try to keep things civil. Remember the Code of Conduct.
[10:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> sorry
[10:43] <AndyR> BROKEN_LADDER, you keep going and we will be klined
[10:43] <meskes> I look at it like this. If he wants to use it, let him. hes not doing anything wrong. Hell I use propritary calls all the time.
[10:43] <Guardiann> amazing
[10:43] <meskes> AndyR: whoa.
[10:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> spiral: have you checked into SIP?
[10:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's a standard.
[10:44] <spiral> BROKEN_LADDER: could I use it to communicate with friends using windows ?
[10:44] <crimsun> parazoid: I don't see any option in mozilla-firefox to limit concurrent downloads to 2
[10:44] <meskes> I think the local IRCop just stepped up. nice. :)
[10:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> spiral: of course.
[10:44] <parazoid> crimsun, hmm..
[10:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> spiral: sip is the generic protocol for doing things like internet telephony.  you can use any server you like, even your own, to host your sip address.
[10:45] <spiral> is sip in apt for hoary for example ?
[10:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> you can buy an sip phone if you like, that looks like a regular phone.
[10:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> spiral: linphone, minisip, kphone
[10:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> all use sip
[10:45] <spiral> BROKEN_LADDER: I launched kphone & I'll look at it :-p
[10:45] <AndyR> ahsip = money then
[10:45] <subterrific> so will the next version of gnomemeeting
[10:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> you have to get an sip address of course, unless you want people to use your ip address.
[10:46] <AndyR> skype = zero cost
[10:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> so is sip
[10:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> skype is proprietary
[10:46] <meskes> BROKEN_LADDER: Who cares?
[10:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't set up my own "skype" server.
[10:46] <kent> BROKEN_LADDER, and you are kind of irritating :(
[10:46] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, you're a BROKEN_RECORD
[10:46] <meskes> heh
[10:46] <Balthazar> lol
[10:46] <LinuxJones> parazoid, >> http://iraszl.brinkster.net/creativebits/2005/01/speed-up-firefox.html
[10:47] <lyy> i'm reading the aptHOWTO and it talks about a "universe" can someone explain?
[10:47] <parazoid> I know the guy who created Skype :)
[10:47] <tritium> meskes, :)
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> there is no point in supporting a technology that is already doomed.
[10:47] <parazoid> LinuxJones, Thank you :)
[10:47] <tanek> what are you guys fighting over?
[10:47] <LinuxJones> :)
[10:47] <meskes> lyy: it does in the docs... :p
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> parazoid: kick him in the head for me next time you see him.
[10:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> i wish i could.
[10:47] <lyy> meskes: is it the combine set of apps?
[10:47] <Cindux> Is anyone using Ubuntu on a cube pc?
[10:47] <parazoid> ?
[10:47] <Cindux> like a Soltek / Shuttle
[10:48] <AndyR> if enough ppl ask skype for a binary for ubuntu they will build 1 anyway
[10:48] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, your zealousy is rather frightening, given that you're talking about violence.
[10:48] <meskes> lyy: its the apps in which will not be supported in this channel... eg non-free apps.
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay parazoid, hug him for me instead. hug him really hard.
[10:48] <lyy> k
[10:48] <parazoid> Why?
[10:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> we can discuss it outside the channel.
[10:49] <meskes> lyy: its not that you cant use them though. its things like libdvdcss and the like that are in there.
[10:49] <subterrific> AndyR: and thats the problem depending on proprietary software
[10:49] <lyy> meskes: i understand. it's the non core apps
[10:49] <AndyR> i dont depend on it
[10:50] <lyy> for example, in fedora, core apps get updated without having to specify
[10:50] <meskes> lyy: well, not so much that as apps that are not open or free as BROKEN_RECORD is talking about.
[10:50] <lyy> you could specify not to update some core apps however
[10:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> AndyR: why would you want a skype binary built?
[10:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> why would anyone?
[10:50] <meskes> BROKEN_LADDER: STFU
[10:50] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, give it a rest
[10:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> k k
[10:50] <LinuxJones> rolf
[10:50] <lyy> meskes: i'm not even listening to BROKEN_LADDER so i don't know what he's talking about :)
[10:50] <meskes> heh
[10:51] <mlesna__> hi... i have this rather bizarre problem with firefox (or gecko, i suppose) - it doesn't display some fixed-width fonts. any ideas?
[10:51] <tritium> bottom line is that linux users cherish their freedom.
[10:51] <meskes> Thats niether
[10:51] <meskes> mlesna__: thats your font packages, I would imagine.
[10:52] <tritium> and we are free to choose any software.  we are allowed to use proprietary software, and even (gasp) pay for it, if we want to
[10:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> if i try to access my /boot, it hangs in D state.  anyone know how i can fix this?
[10:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> tritium: but you shouldn't.
[10:52] <subterrific> mlesna__: there are a few config options to tweak how firefox displays fonts
[10:52] <micsch> hi, how can i burn audio cd's?
[10:52] <AndyR> BROKEN_LADDER, so you will only use gnu software?
[10:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> using proprietary software is fine actually.
[10:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> using proprietary software is fine actually.
[10:52] <meskes> STOP THE TROLLING!
[10:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> no one is trolling here.
[10:53] <meskes> damn, guys.
[10:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> stop using that term when it doesn't apply.
[10:53] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, don't force your goddamn zealous point of view on me!
[10:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> the problem is with proprietary _protocols.
[10:53] <mlesna__> subterrific: on edit - preferences - fonts and colors... i tried out lots of combinations
[10:53] <meskes> Im done too
[10:53] <cardador> mistic_: use K3B
[10:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> if you want to buy a proprietary vorbis encoder for instance, that's fine.  but using even a free encoder for aac is bad.  aac is proprietary.
[10:53] <cardador> micsch: use K3b
[10:53] <cardador> sorry mistic_
[10:53] <mz2> hmm
[10:54] <subterrific> mlesna__: i'm looking for a guide to help you, but basically you open about:config as the url
[10:54] <malte`> BROKEN_LADDER, of course you don't buy DVDs
[10:54] <mlesna__> ok
[10:54] <mz2> my firewire/usb2 hd doesn't work with usb2 speeds
[10:54] <subterrific> mlesna__: it gives you access to all the hidden config options
[10:54] <malte`> you don't download MP3s
[10:54] <mz2> it's a lacie 160 GB hd
[10:54] <malte`> you don't display JPGs :P
[10:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> malte`: not generally.
[10:54] <lyy> what are some good apt sources?
[10:55] <meskes> I forgot about that tritium. I usually just /k them. ;)
[10:55] <tritium> ;)
[10:55] <meskes> lyy: the ones in your exsiting sources.list
[10:55] <micsch>  cardador no, no k3b
[10:55] <blair> Can anyone help me with a Radeon PCI that won't hardware accelerate?
[10:55] <lyy> meskes: i just installed it. theres nothing but commented out ones
[10:55] <mlesna__> thanks... hth.
[10:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'll buy a dvd when it uses theora.
[10:55] <cardador> micsch: why not? it is a very good piece of software
[10:55] <meskes> lyy: uncomment them and then apt-get update.
[10:56] <meskes> lyy: then apt-get dist-upgrade.
[10:56] <tritium> blair, are you using ATI drivers?
[10:56] <subterrific> mlesna__: this might be what you're looking for: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts#Mozilla_Firefox_and_Thunderbird
[10:56] <micsch> cardador: i don't wanna add universe repository
[10:56] <blair> yup, fglrx is loaded, and working, but I am not getting hardware accerleration
[10:56] <lyy> meskes: can you explain what this line means? # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted   <--it's a line from sources.list
[10:56] <cardador> micsch: whats the problem with universe?
[10:56] <blair> there is an error in the x log
[10:57] <meskes> lyy: thats for the deb packages of source.
[10:57] <Balthazar> Anyone know how now that I have both /dev/sequencer and /dev/sequencer2, both which are special character files (c flag in ls), I get a no such device error?
[10:57] <tritium> blair, I think lots of people are experiencing fglrx problems right now
[10:57] <meskes> lyy: for good measure, uncomment that.
[10:57] <lyy> meskes: so i shouldn't chose thisguy if i don't want to spend time building
[10:57] <blair> so it is not just me?
[10:57] <blair> that makes me feel a little better
[10:57] <micsch> cardador: it's just i wanna use main only, and no kdelibs :-)
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> AndyR: what do you mean?
[10:58] <spiral> tritium: fglrx works fine for me... Shouldn't it ?
[10:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> jpeg isn't proprietary from what i've read.
[10:58] <lyy> meskes: wat's the good measure about it? sorry for dumb question.
[10:58] <subterrific> mlesna__: but instead of editing that user.js file manually, you can goto about:config in firefox
[10:58] <tritium> spiral, if it works, that's great!  Why stop using it?
[10:58] <subterrific> mlesna__: its a little easier that way
[10:58] <AndyR> gnu xserver?
[10:58] <meskes> lyy: go ahead, its not going to get the source unless you tell it to.
[10:58] <spiral> tritium: I don't want to :-)
[10:58] <lyy> meskes: ah ok.
[10:58] <tritium> :)
[10:58] <blair> is there an ATI guru who might be able to help me?
[10:58] <tritium> blair, I wish I could help more, but I don't have an ati card.
[10:59] <meskes> lyy: I suggest you read man 5 apt-get
[10:59] <lyy> meskes: i will.
[10:59] <parazoid> LinuxJones, Sorry, but i still won?t work. When i try to download a third file, it just keeps loading. Nothing happens before one of the two files are done
[10:59] <blair> I guess I just need to track down someone who has had the same problem, and see how they fixed it
[10:59] <drspin> is there an XMMS-devel pacakge for Ubuntu?
[10:59] <lyy> meskes: what's the restricted meaning of each source?
[10:59] <parazoid> LinuxJones, But my browser is alot faster :)
[10:59] <Br34ch> Yeah, drspin
[11:00] <lyy> meskes: ie, # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[11:00] <Br34ch> At least I think so
[11:00] <tritium> dreamer_, xmms-dev
[11:00] <drspin> Br34ch: ok... it's not in any of my repos...
[11:00] <tritium> drspin, xmms-dev
[11:00] <parazoid> LinuxJones, You know anything about, About:config?
[11:00] <tritium> sorry, dreamer_
[11:00] <drspin> thanks
[11:00] <drspin> :/
[11:00] <lyy> meskes: does that mean i need ot set up gpg?
[11:00] <meskes> lyy: you want that one uncommented too.
[11:01] <meskes> no
[11:01] <lyy> meskes: ok. it seems there's 5 columns for each source defination. i'm just curious what the restricted column means
[11:01] <CikguXML> Hello
[11:01] <meskes> lyy: I dont know what that means fully yet. Im rather new to Ubuntu and Im still learning the apt-repositoies myself.
[11:02] <CikguXML> from my little warty warthog
[11:02] <lyy> meskes: np :) thanks for your help so far
[11:02] <mz2> do i have to change the usb module that is used for the usb storage devices? i know something like that was available in knoppix at least to make usb2 work properly
[11:02] <crimsun> lyy: I placed an explanation of the restricted repo on the wiki
[11:02] <lyy> meskes: man sources.list
[11:02] <meskes> heh
[11:02] <lyy> crimsun: got a link?
[11:02] <Xolt> hmm i have ubuntu installed now
[11:02] <crimsun> lyy: not handy, but a search will turn it up
[11:02] <LinuxJones> parazoid, a bit yeah
[11:02] <ilRunico> hi
[11:03] <CikguXML> hi ilRunico
[11:03] <ilRunico> :D
[11:03] <Xolt> does ubuntu default teh root passwd? how can i change it if it didnt ask what i wanted for the root passwd?
[11:03] <aebcoat> thei is no root passowrd
[11:03] <meskes> Xolt: it disables root
[11:03] <tritium> Xolt, you're encouraged to use sudo
[11:03] <aebcoat> do you have a box asking for one?
[11:03] <CikguXML> just a question have someone installed hoary? is it much better?
[11:03] <meskes> I enabled it though. I have personal problems with sudo
[11:03] <tritium> Xolt, however, if you want to give root a passwd, "sudo passwd root"
[11:04] <tritium> meskes, me too
[11:04] <tritium> CikguXML, in my opinion
[11:04] <drspin> is it "safe" to use packages from a Sarge repo?
[11:04] <tritium> drspin, mostly, but it's not advised
[11:04] <LinuxJones> drspin, not recommended
[11:05] <drspin> tritium: LinuxJones: why not?
[11:05] <crimsun> drspin: those are compiled against packages in sarge, not packages in warty or hoary.
[11:06] <lyy> meskes: yeah me too. i turned off sudo
[11:06] <lyy> meskes: i just hate having to type sudo each and every time i want to do something
[11:06] <tritium> drspin, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.7453904394
[11:06] <lyy> meskes: that and then typing in a password
[11:06] <drspin> crimsun: for non-mission critical packes (i.e. AAC plugin for XMMS) it should* be ok?
[11:06] <NermalLaptop> I just do sudo su if I want to get root
[11:06] <LinuxJones> drspin, they are different intall bases
[11:07] <Kakalto> when making a symbolic link, I get the error "file doesn't exist"
[11:07] <meskes> lyy: I dont use it based on security reasons.
[11:07] <LinuxJones> drspin, err install
[11:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> Kakalto: are you putting the target and link in the righ order?
[11:07] <lyy> meskes: me too
[11:07] <Xolt> how can i figure out which packages ubuntu has?
[11:07] <lyy> meskes: i just like 1 person to be root
[11:07] <DAC1138> whats name of that other apt program? not synaptic, but that other one
[11:07] <tritium> aptitude?
[11:07] <Br34ch> Uhh . . . I have Xfce installed, how exactly do I open Synaptic?
[11:07] <DAC1138> thats it, thanks
[11:07] <Kakalto> BROKEN_LADDER, I think so, but I'll try the other way around...
[11:08] <Kakalto> oops
[11:08] <Kakalto> I don't get that error
[11:08] <Kakalto> I get error "File Exists"
[11:08] <crimsun> Br34ch: System Tools menu, or open a terminal and execute `sudo synaptic'
[11:09] <DAC1138> i still cant find the 2.6.8-1-3-386 kernel source. that one i downloaded wasnt it
[11:09] <Br34ch> I'll try it
[11:09] <Br34ch> thanks
[11:09] <tritium> Kakalto, you must have a file with that name already
[11:09] <crimsun> DAC1138: linux-source-2.6.8.1 _is_ the source
[11:09] <Xolt> how can i figure out which packages ubuntu has?
[11:09] <lyy> Xolt: good question. i would like to know too. aptitude?
[11:09] <tritium> Xolt, probably the easiest was is to browse them in synaptic
[11:09] <lyy> Xolt: i'm reading the doc now
[11:10] <DAC1138> crimsun, its 2.6.8-1-3-386, according to the modules
[11:10] <crimsun> DAC1138: that's because -3-386 is the EXTRAVERSION appended
[11:10] <DAC1138> ah, ok. so there no different then?
[11:10] <tritium> Xolt, if you know what you're looking for, or even keywords, you can use "apt-cache search <keyword>"
[11:10] <crimsun> DAC1138: correct.
[11:11] <jaco_> crimsun how can edit the bug description? is it possible?
[11:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> DAC1138: i'm just curious why you dl'ed the source.
[11:12] <crimsun> jaco_: fill out the additional comments box
[11:12] <crimsun> jaco_: and please remember to file a bug on the other package.
[11:14] <DAC1138> BROKEN_LADDER, long story short, i need it
[11:14] <DAC1138> :-)
[11:14] <DAC1138> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/18/2004/02/3/118311
[11:15] <AndyR> anyone use a exif data editing tool?
[11:15] <Kakalto> I am trying "ln -s <one file which exists> <another file which exists>", and it says it can't because the file exists
[11:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> Kakalto: duh
[11:16] <tritium> Kakalto, you can't do that
[11:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> Kakalto: what are you trying to do?
[11:16] <Kakalto> ah
[11:16] <Kakalto> get foxytunes working
[11:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> are you trying to make a hard link?
[11:16] <DAC1138> now thats what that X icon does, lol
[11:16] <Kakalto> no, symbolic
[11:16] <Kakalto> I'm just not exactly sure where from
[11:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> if you were making a symbolic link, you'd have a file that exists, and you'd create a link in another directory to that file.
[11:17] <Kakalto> ahh
[11:17] <AndyR> which <file_name> ?
[11:17] <tritium> Kakalto, "ln -s <target> <name>" where target exists, but name does not
[11:17] <Kakalto> only thing is... I'm not sure where
[11:17] <tritium> it doesn't have to be in a different directory if you give it a different name
[11:17] <AndyR> Kakalto,  which <file_name> ?
[11:18] <AndyR> should give you the right path
[11:18] <Kakalto> libglib-something
[11:18] <Kakalto> I was giving the right path
[11:18] <Kakalto> but I don't know where I want the link to be
[11:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> DAC1138: you and i are in the all-caps-nicks club.
[11:19] <DAC1138> lol. mines supposed to be though, mines my initials, and the suffix numbers, mine makes more sense, lol
[11:20] <Br34ch> heh.. what's the com to print ss?
[11:20] <jaco_> ok crimsun i've done
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> Br34ch: press 'prt csr'
[11:20] <aebcoat> screenshot? piush print screen
[11:20] <jaco_> #5799 for the gnutella bug crimsun
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> scr
[11:21] <Br34ch> That isn't working . . . tried it
[11:21] <crimsun> jaco_: excellent.
[11:21] <jaco_> ok
[11:21] <jaco_> :)
[11:21] <aebcoat> Br34ch are you trying to take a screenshot?
[11:22] <Br34ch> yes
[11:22] <Br34ch> Pressed the 'PrtSc,' tried pasting it on GIMP . . . nothing happens :x
[11:22] <aebcoat> on mine print screen takes one and give me a dialog to chose where to save it
[11:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> is /boot where my kernel image should be?
[11:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have way too much stuff in it and i need to figure out what i can safely delete.
[11:23] <aebcoat> do you use gnome?
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> in general, yes
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> Br34ch: gimp can take a screen shot
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> Br34ch: acquire-> screenshot
[11:24] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, if you delete files, you'll have broken packages.
[11:24] <meskes> So can just hitting prnt_scrn
[11:24] <Br34ch> Got it, thank
[11:24] <Br34ch> s
[11:24] <tritium> Better to remove or purge kernel packages you no longer wnat
[11:24] <tritium> want
[11:24] <DAC1138> im making a new kernel, can i use the old default ubuntu initrd?
[11:24] <Pluk> always good to have a working old one as rescue
[11:24] <lyy> how does one find what salt a system uses?
[11:25] <tritium> Pluk, definitely
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: no, it has the old modules
[11:25] <meskes> salt?
[11:25] <DAC1138> so how do i make a new initrd?
[11:25] <lyy> meskes: yes. for when they encode your password
[11:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> tritium: you mean if i delete a kernel image that i'm not even using?
[11:25] <meskes> man mkinitrd, DAC1138
[11:25] <Br34ch> Uhm, by the way . . . I'm not familiar with the syntax of how document placement directions are named . . . like right now I'm installing RealPlayer and it's asking me for a file that I saved . . . I saved it under Mond . . . the administrator named; the only user account - simple as that, on a default installation
[11:25] <tritium> DAC1138, are you using make-kpkg?
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: mkinitrd
[11:25] <DAC1138> a new initrd, based on my new kernel
[11:25] <[m0rph] > lyy: it's different for each password
[11:25] <meskes> lyy: ah, right
[11:25] <DAC1138> so just mkinitrd from the kernel source directory?
[11:25] <lyy> [m0rph] : really?
[11:25] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, if you delete any file that belongs to a package you'll break that package.  Use the package management system.
[11:26] <lyy> [m0rph] : so i cna pick out any two char ?
[11:26] <Br34ch> Would it be . . . something like /Mond/? . . ? :s
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> lyy: the salt is generated
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> lyy: that's the whole point, if it were the same, it'd be pointless :)
[11:26] <lyy> HrdwrBoB: i'm trying to generate a list of users
[11:26] <lyy> HrdwrBoB: but when you use the -p switch, you need to provide an encoded password
[11:27] <lyy> HrdwrBoB: and that's done with encrypt. i've done that but i'm kinda wondering if users can log in with that password
[11:27] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, if you're not using vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-686, then apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686, the package to which it belongs
[11:28] <tritium> don't just delete the file
[11:28] <NermalLaptop> hum
[11:28] <HrdwrBoB> lyy: why wouldn't they be able to/
[11:28] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[11:28] <NermalLaptop> any idea why the gnome netapplet applet seems to think my eth0 is disconnected when it isn't ?
[11:28] <lyy> HrdwrBoB: i guess i should test it out before worrying :)
[11:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks tritium
[11:29] <tritium> NermalLaptop, is it Network Monitor?
[11:29] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, you're welcome
[11:29] <jono> hi all
[11:29] <NermalLaptop> tritium, yes
[11:29] <NermalLaptop> 2.9.4
[11:29] <lyy> HrdwrBoB: it worked. i was worrying for no reason :)
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> lyy: good to hear :)
[11:30] <tritium> NermalLaptop, it seems to have a bug where it remember the last nework interface used, rather than detect which one is actually active
[11:30] <NermalLaptop> any ideas how to get around it ?
[11:30] <tritium> NermalLaptop, no.  I switch back and forth between eth0 and wlan0, and it always gets it wrong.
[11:30] <lyy> i should wash my face and go buy that mac mini
[11:31] <exterminans> hello everybody. i have the problem that when i go into the "change display resolution" dialog i can only choose "640*480". I think that my graphics card is able to display 1024*768 in 16 Bit and 800*600 in 24 Bit.
[11:31] <DAC1138> lyy, at target?
[11:31] <lyy> anyone installed ubuntu on mac mini yet?
[11:31] <AndyR> anyone use a exif data editing tool?
[11:31] <DAC1138> lyy, target as them for $50 less than the apple stores
[11:31] <lyy> DAC1138: no, at the apple store in the mall close here
[11:31] <lyy> DAC1138: no shit?
[11:31] <lyy> DAC1138: i'm so there. i need to pick up a matress as well
[11:31] <DAC1138> save the $50 and get an ipod shuffle or usb thumb drive or something
[11:31] <lyy> DAC1138: i already got an ipod photo for 500 bucks
[11:32] <NermalLaptop> tritium, hum
[11:32] <tritium> Target carries apple computer?
[11:32] <DAC1138> lyy, http://digg.com/apple/New_Apple_Mac_mini_1.25GHz_$450,_1.42GHz_$540_at_Target.com
[11:32] <LeeColleton> I'm trying to print from the gimp.  I can print to file and then use lp from the command line, but this is cumbersome.  How do I print from within the gimp?
[11:32] <lyy> DAC1138: that's mainly the reason i'm getting the mac mini haha
[11:32] <meskes> tritium: no, but they carry the iPod
[11:32] <DAC1138> maybe its just target.com, i dont know
[11:32] <tritium> oh...
[11:32] <DAC1138> i wasnt planning on getting a mini this soon, i was going to wait until i actually had the money (usually a good idea)
[11:32] <LeeColleton> I have an HP PSC-1210 multifunction printer that works okay with other programs (openoffice.org and other text editors...)
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i install a new module?
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have it downloaded in /usr/src/modules/
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> all i've ever done is make menuconfig with kernel source and recompiled.
[11:33] <meskes> hou5ton: so, are you going to install?
[11:33] <lyy> DAC1138: i was going to get an xps dell system with 256m graphics card
[11:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> xps?
[11:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> is that a small form factor?
[11:34] <lyy> DAC1138: but then i thought, do i really need that? i don't really so i decided to get a inspirion centrino
[11:34] <aebcoat> LeeColleton you using cuups?
[11:34] <lyy> BROKEN_LADDER: it's a dell laptop
[11:34] <exterminans> hello everybody. i have the problem that when i go into the "change display resolution" dialog i can only choose "640*480". I think that my graphics card is able to display 1024*768 in 16 Bit and 800*600 in 24 Bit. how can i get ubuntu to siplay 1024*768 in 16 bit?
[11:34] <LeeColleton> aebcoat: hpijs and cups, yes.  I think so
[11:34] <lyy> DAC1138: but now, i decide to get a cheap laptop and buy the mac mini as well
[11:35] <lyy> all about the same price as a xps system
[11:35] <JD_NZ> Hey peeps. Can anyone help with installing FreeNX, get dependancy errors for nxagent/nxproxy... are they in a different repository?
[11:35] <DAC1138> lyy, my gateway m305 was about $800, but after warranty upgrades and system upgrades, it came out to about $1,100, well worth it
[11:35] <lyy> cool
[11:35] <lyy> DAC1138: not bad
[11:35] <DAC1138> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3504708&cat=179113&type=19&dept=3944
[11:35] <aebcoat> lee go to desktop menu - adminstration -printing
[11:35] <DAC1138> $500 linspire notebook
[11:36] <Haukkari> wtf
[11:36] <Haukkari> 500 dollars?
[11:36] <tritium> Holy cow, sure enough.  I found the mac mini on target.com
[11:36] <Haukkari> That's like... 350 euros
[11:36] <DAC1138> good specs for such a low-priced laptop. and its linspire, so you can use linux well with it
[11:36] <lyy> DAC1138: let me get you a link to the laptop i was going to buy
[11:36] <HrdwrBoB> exterminans: what machine ar eyou using
[11:36] <lyy> DAC1138: http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/inspn_xps?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd
[11:37] <exterminans> i use an ibm thinkpad 770
[11:37] <DAC1138> xps?
[11:37] <lyy> DAC1138: yea
[11:37] <DAC1138> crap, i'd rather have a powerbook
[11:37] <DAC1138> the next computer i buy will be an ibook or a powerbook
[11:38] <AndyR> DAC1138, same here
[11:38] <DAC1138> thos xps' are nice though
[11:38] <Haukkari> Me gots an iBook right here
[11:38] <lyy> DAC1138: i program for both windows and linux so powerbook is low priority. but it would be nice for me to have one :)
[11:38] <Haukkari> Running OS X, though
[11:38] <DAC1138> the only problem with my laptop is the xserver, i have to use a proprietary driver :-( but hey, it works
[11:38] <lyy> DAC1138: i plan on using vmware on a raw partition from win to lin and vice versa
[11:39] <DAC1138> like now im in 800x600 until i get this new kernel installed, and then i have to install the xserver
[11:39] <DAC1138> then after the xig xserver is installed, i can get to 1024x768
[11:39] <meskes> DAC1138: what card do you have?
[11:39] <DAC1138> meskes, i knew someone would ask that
[11:39] <DAC1138> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/18/2004/02/3/118311
[11:39] <lyy> DAC1138: i'm still trying to figure out how to configure X to use nvidia's drivers
[11:39] <DAC1138> which is why i was prepared ;-)
[11:40] <HrdwrBoB> lyy: ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:40] <DAC1138> its an intel i810 855GM, a laptop chipset
[11:40] <meskes> Bah @ install
[11:40] <meskes> intel. that is
[11:40] <lyy> HrdwrBoB: sweet. thanks :)
[11:40] <DAC1138> theres a bug in the intel/gateway chip
[11:41] <lyy> ok, it's getting late. i better go shop before it's dark
[11:41] <lyy> see you guys
[11:41] <DAC1138> cya
[11:41] <DAC1138> i dont think ill ever need a new computer until im out of college/film school
[11:42] <DAC1138> im just trying to get a linux distro that will "just work", no upgrades needed
[11:42] <DAC1138> something i can just install and not worry. hopefully this is my last distro swap
[11:42] <meskes> I want my next computer to be an HP PA-RISC workstation
[11:42] <meskes> I drool thinking about that
[11:42] <DAC1138> but any computer i buy in the future will definitely be a mac
[11:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> DAC1138: will you put linux on it?
[11:43] <JD_NZ> anyone got FreeNX running on Ubuntu?
[11:43] <DAC1138> nope, why put linux when osx is freeBSD based?
[11:43] <drspin> is there something I'm missing, when I try to add an appointment, I can't enter text in any of the boxes
[11:43] <neighborlee> hey guys ..'X' is taking up 22% CPU and wondering how the heck do I ascertain why??
[11:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> DAC1138: well, can you run gnome on that?
[11:43] <drspin> I'm using Evolution
[11:43] <DAC1138> ill be using apps like final cut pro
[11:43] <neighborlee> gnome monitor shows nothing else but X doing this..:(
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> neighborlee: likely because of something you're displaying
[11:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> i used to have a job editing videos in final cut pro. :)
[11:43] <DAC1138> mac os apps, audio editors and video capturing programs
[11:43] <neighborlee> HrdwrBoB, only thing atm i'm running is the monitor, xchat and firefox...
[11:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> DAC1138: can you install gtk on it and run gnome apps?
[11:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> in x windows
[11:44] <meskes> that would do it.
[11:44] <DAC1138> BROKEN_LADDER, yeah, i saw something about that, you can install gtk and X windows apps
[11:44] <drspin> I had the Birthdays and Anniversaries calendar seelcted
[11:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> i would do that because i like some mac applications, but a lot of stuff in for linux is so much better and unbloated.
[11:44] <DAC1138> there was a slashdot article just yesterday about installing X on mac os x and running X programs like openoffice.org
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> neighborlee: if there's stuff happening in firefox, or the monitor is updating a lot
[11:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh you know what..i think apple.com has a thing on their site about how to use x on osx.
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> that can use a lot of CPU
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> what system is it
[11:45] <DAC1138> http://gtk-osx.sourceforge.net/
[11:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah yeah..i saw that
[11:45] <meskes> DAC1138: it already runs X11
[11:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> sweet.
[11:45] <meskes> MacOS, that is
[11:45] <p00p> hi, has anyone set up a netgear wg511v2 in ubuntu before?
[11:45] <icerogue> is there anyway to get ISA support with modern linux?
[11:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> meskes: so you'd just install gtk and then it could run gnome apps?
[11:45] <meskes> icerogue: of course
[11:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> of course
[11:45] <icerogue> without network access?
[11:46] <DAC1138> bbiab, food
[11:46] <neighborlee> brb going to see if its xchat as firefox was idle..
[11:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> the default kernel source should have isa support.
[11:46] <tritium> meskes, http://developer.apple.com/darwin/runningx11.html
[11:46] <meskes> you would have install isapnp and pnpdump to do it.
[11:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone know where to begin when installing a kernel module from source?
[11:47] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, I would use kernel-package
[11:47] <budfox> im having trouble synching palm with gnome-pilot
[11:47] <icerogue> meskes: is that on the ubuntu disk?
[11:47] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto
[11:47] <icerogue>  meskes: the isapnp?
[11:47] <meskes> icerogue: I dont know, I have a modern machine.
[11:48] <jono_> hi all, I am experiencing some weird wireless issues in hoary, can I run 'em past you to see what the problem is? Basically, when I boot the system, iwconfig reports on the first line of eth0, "IEEE 802.11g", then after a certain amount of time, my connection will drop and it will say, "unassociated", how can I get it back into the original IEEE 802.11g mode?
[11:48] <Guardiann> budfox so am I
[11:49] <budfox> it just doesnt see the usb connection
[11:49] <Guardiann> yep same problem i am having
[11:50] <budfox> this is the only distro ive tried it on
[11:50] <meskes> Man, the Gnome team really needs to fix tht bug in acpihelper
[11:50] <Guardiann> mine worked on mandrake
[11:51] <meskes> If I knew how to code, I would do it myself.
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> i thought i didn't necessarily need the kernel source to compile a new module.
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> you don't
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> you need the headers
[11:53] <crimsun> you don't; you need linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> which i have...
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have them
[11:54] <crimsun> are you telling the build process precisely where those headers are located?
[11:54] <crimsun> /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[11:54] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, you can use them with kernel-package as well
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> what module are you building?
[11:54] <crypticreign> hwo can i burn audio cd's?
[11:54] <crypticreign> with a program that isnt k3b
[11:55] <Guardiann> instructions at www.ubuntuguide.org crypticreign
[11:55] <crypticreign> oh
[11:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> which process?
[11:55] <crypticreign> :)
[11:55] <crimsun> try graveman, it's in hoary/universe
[11:55] <pvh> Can anyone recommend a superior MP3 player to Rhythmbox?
[11:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have /usr/src/modules/module_x and i want to compile it.
[11:55] <crypticreign> pvh: xmms
[11:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> a can recommend a superior digital music player.
[11:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> but i wouldn't recommend using mp3.
[11:56] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, we know you wouldn't
[11:56] <malte`> lol
[11:56] <Guardiann> lol
[11:56] <K-Rich> i just use rythmbox here
[11:56] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: fakeroot ./debian/rules binary_modules KVER=$(uname -r) KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[11:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> this term "mp3 player" has got to be a little vexing to any ol' technologically inclined fellow.
[11:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> wow.  that's a beautiful command sequence.
[11:57] <malte`> pvh, i use rhythmbox too, but you can try beep-media-player... it works :)
[11:57] <icerogue> where can i get a list of ubuntu packages on the web?
[11:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> beep-media-player won't let me use wireframe move.
[11:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's annoying.
[11:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: where would i run that command from?
[11:58] <crimsun> /usr/src/modules/module_x
[11:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> beautiful
[11:58] <neighborlee> hi ..i'm trying to boot 2.6.8 default kernel after having installed newer nvidia-glx and 2.6.10 kernel...but upon 'startx' I get this weird output for nvidia:: error: api mismatch: the nvidia kernel module is 6111 but this X Module is 6629 and it fails to initialize nvidia module of course...why is this occuring and how do I fix it ? ;-))
[11:58] <crimsun> the deb is placed in /usr/src/modules
[11:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> make: *** No rule to make target `binary_modules'.  Stop.
[11:59] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: apologies, it's KVERS not KVER