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| enrico | good morning! | 04:19 |
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| sm | morning enrico | 04:21 |
| enrico | morning sm | 04:21 |
| sivang | enrico: morning | 04:21 |
| enrico | Thanks for fixing the AllPages thing. I've always been wondering what was the purpose of that page :) | 04:22 |
| sm | oh good | 04:24 |
| sm | it always annoyed me | 04:24 |
| enrico | I wonder how did it get there in the first place | 04:27 |
| enrico | I've never done anything about it because I thought there was a reason | 04:28 |
| sivang | enrico: what's up? | 05:07 |
| enrico | sivang: hello! | 06:12 |
| sivang | enrico: wow, that was slow! ;-) | 06:13 |
| enrico | I was having lunch :) | 06:15 |
| sm | night all | 06:22 |
| enrico | sm: night! | 06:22 |
| sivang | enrico: was it any good? | 07:40 |
| enrico | burp! YES! | 07:42 |
| enrico | let's see if I can spell it | 07:42 |
| enrico | we started with the rice bowl, which got some special pork sauce on top to make it interesting | 07:42 |
| enrico | then, we had some chicken with chili and cucumber, nicely flavored with some herb | 07:42 |
| enrico | really nice beef | 07:43 |
| enrico | then dumplings with white wine vegetable (it's a special vegetable here: like the green wine vegetable, but white) | 07:43 |
| enrico | following, a really good hot-sour soup | 07:43 |
| enrico | and to finish, a sweet soup with sticky rice balls and dragon eyes | 07:44 |
| enrico | oh, and also red beans in the sweet soup | 07:44 |
| enrico | Frout: guava and carambola and apple-plums (or plum-apples) | 07:46 |
| enrico | s/frout/fruit/ | 07:46 |
| sivang | ahhhhh | 07:53 |
| sivang | :) | 07:53 |
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| Macbeth | Hey | 08:35 |
| Macbeth | I am having a problem configuring network settings for ubuntu on my inspiron 8000 laptop. If anyone's not busy, perhaps they could help an ubunu newbie :) | 08:36 |
| enrico | Uhm... the right channel for that is #ubuntu; if you ask here and you get an answer, then you must to write a wiki page about it :) | 08:44 |
| Macbeth | Oh, thanks for the info. That helps too | 08:45 |
| Macbeth | I'm sure i'd write a wiki page relaying the help I got | 08:45 |
| enrico | Cool!! | 08:45 |
| enrico | Have you tried asking #ubuntu already? | 08:46 |
| Macbeth | I am asking right now | 08:46 |
| Macbeth | they are saying "hmmm" | 08:46 |
| Macbeth | Speaking of wiki | 08:47 |
| Macbeth | I read somewhere that you should _NOT_ say "yes" to the question "do you want ubuntu to do automatic internet installation" | 08:48 |
| Macbeth | Well, i said yes. before reading that. | 08:48 |
| enrico | sivang: are you around? | 08:49 |
| sivang | enrico: yep | 08:50 |
| sivang | 'sup? | 08:50 |
| enrico | sivang: Macbeth is asking things that I don't know how to answer, but I suspect you do | 08:54 |
| enrico | sivang: and if we win this game, Macbeth will write a wiki page :) | 08:54 |
| Macbeth | The wiki page will say how to get networking to work if I hot-plugged my PC lan card into my laptop after i did the installation of ubuntu? | 08:55 |
| Macbeth | device manager says it is an unknown device. here are my card's drivers http://d-link.com/products/support.asp?pid=132&sec=0#drivers (but they are for windows) | 09:00 |
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| Macbeth | http://support.dlink.com/faq/view.asp?prod_id=1226&question=DFE-690TXD | 09:05 |
| Macbeth | i found something | 09:05 |
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| enrico | Does someone have a link to the Gnome User's Manual? | 04:07 |
| enrico | Anyone around? | 04:13 |
| enrico | I'm trying to understand if there is such a thing as the Gnome User's Manual or if it's just the collection of the documentation of the single applications | 04:14 |
| enrico | jdub: you're probably the only one awake and in the list that can know this | 04:14 |
| jdub | www.gnome.org/learn/ | 04:14 |
| enrico | jdub: thanks a lot. I'm writing an answer to Sean in the list, and I need to check things twice | 04:16 |
| jdub | i should read doc list, hey? | 04:16 |
| enrico | jdub: probably not, unless you want a headache | 04:17 |
| sivang | jdub: and a very strong one...;-/ | 04:17 |
| jdub | heh | 04:17 |
| sivang | enrico: just read Sean's posts...Cannot cope with such bi amount of text!!! | 04:17 |
| sivang | (unless it's gtk code) | 04:17 |
| sivang | ;-) | 04:18 |
| enrico | It | 04:23 |
| enrico | It's not the text that is a problem, is the heat in the discussion | 04:23 |
| enrico | (to me) | 04:23 |
| enrico | I already have headaches in talking with the admins. Having Sean shouting all the time doesn't really help me. | 04:23 |
| enrico | Oh, well, I'll be on an airplane the next two days anyway | 04:24 |
| ChrisH | enrico: Sounds you have long time not read debian-devel. :) | 04:28 |
| enrico | jdub: another question: if we work on vendor drops of appname/C/help, do we clash with the arch import the devels are working on? | 04:28 |
| enrico | that is, is that documentation also imported in hoary arch? | 04:28 |
| enrico | ChrisH: you're right, I haven't~ | 04:28 |
| ChrisH | enrico: But it's true... I also needed a personal secretary to filter out important parts from -doc | 04:29 |
| ChrisH | enrico: Looks like everyone else is just too slow for him. | 04:30 |
| enrico | Ok, people. Please someone check the last mail I sent to the list: it's short | 04:33 |
| enrico | If that's true, we solved everything | 04:33 |
| ChrisH | reading... | 04:34 |
| ChrisH | We solved the redundant work double-write problem with the vendor drops which in turn require that we have a 1.1.2 subversion archive. That one? | 04:35 |
| ChrisH | (from your report of the 23rd) | 04:36 |
| enrico | No: a reply to the "Canonical are you serious?" | 04:40 |
| enrico | I'll post a link to the archives | 04:41 |
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| ChrisH | found it | 04:41 |
| enrico | http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-January/001063.html | 04:41 |
| enrico | jdub: could you please have a read at http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-January/001063.html ? | 04:41 |
| enrico | jdub: if that is true, we solved all the problems | 04:42 |
| ChrisH | enrico: didn't | 04:42 |
| enrico | ChrisH: didn't? | 04:42 |
| ChrisH | enrico: didn't Sean say that symlinks are mandatory for having any kind of vendor drops? | 04:43 |
| ChrisH | (the enter key was in the way :) ) | 04:43 |
| enrico | AFAIK that's required to pull in the docs from all the applications, then merge everything together | 04:44 |
| enrico | But I may have gotten something wrong | 04:46 |
| ChrisH | I'm confused, too. I thought it would be complicated enough already with SVN. | 04:46 |
| sivang | I persoanlly don't have much problem to continue slow...take things one at the time, | 04:47 |
| ChrisH | If I had no idea of vendor drops and didn't feel like writing huge workarounds I had probably just linked to the gnome user's manual instead of branding/using it | 04:47 |
| sivang | let's even postpone stable docs for grumpy if canonical is busy with benefit bringing, more important stuff. | 04:47 |
| sivang | I don't mind. | 04:47 |
| enrico | ChrisH: the idea is that who wants to do it does it; the rest, can work on the QuickGuide (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepQuickGuide) or packaging the documentation or something simple like that | 04:48 |
| sivang | maybe after hoary is out, we would get some more resources and attention from people currently too busy for this - and it's _perfectly understandable. | 04:48 |
| sivang | as Matt noted on his email, a new project, invloves many operations, we cannot expect everything to be perfect without some pains ;-) | 04:49 |
| ChrisH | enrico: I was stuck a little waiting for the vendor drops thingy being resolved or dropped. Perhaps I should rather commit to the other documents. | 04:49 |
| ChrisH | sivang: especially if 1.1.1 is what we get then why don't we just use that... | 04:50 |
| enrico | well, it would help if someone stepped up and said "ehi, I'm working on <x> and I'm happy, if we get <x> and <y> done we're lucky, let's think about that later" | 04:50 |
| enrico | ChrisH: warty has 1.0.6 | 04:50 |
| ChrisH | enrico: oops | 04:50 |
| enrico | Question is: who's active at the moment, and doing what? I've been trying to push work on the QuickGuide but with no result (and I can't understand why). Commits come from Sean and Plovs. The only person with a clear responsibility is trickie working on the release notes | 04:53 |
| enrico | How come noone's working at the QuickGuide? Are there still problems? | 04:54 |
| jdub | enrico: i don't quite get the question, but: | 04:54 |
| jdub | - gnome cvs will be mirrored in arch | 04:54 |
| jdub | - the right way to manage changes is to create a branch off those | 04:55 |
| enrico | you mean a branch off the arch mirror? | 04:55 |
| jdub | yes | 04:56 |
| jdub | that's what arch is all about :) | 04:56 |
| sivang | jdub: but svn and cvs also do branches right? | 04:56 |
| enrico | So, if we want to fiddle with the documentation of the various applications, we need to branch off the development arch repo | 04:56 |
| jdub | i guess i should get on -docs and sort this all out | 04:56 |
| sivang | (what so special about it) | 04:57 |
| enrico | jdub: that would help | 04:57 |
| jdub | sivang: sure, but everything will be in arch | 04:57 |
| enrico | is the Gnome User's Manual also in arch? | 04:57 |
| sivang | jdub: ofcourse ;-) | 04:57 |
| jdub | not yet | 04:57 |
| enrico | s/Manual/Guide/ | 04:57 |
| enrico | jdub: ok, so we can make a vendor drop with the User's Guide and manage the rest (docs and manpages) in arch | 04:57 |
| jdub | but we can prioritise it for you guys to test with | 04:57 |
| enrico | jdub: cool. This is what I was trying to say in that mail. If you could step into it and confirm / clear things out, you'd do a really great thing | 04:59 |
| enrico | like, really great. | 04:59 |
| enrico | jdub: I was considering replying to myself posting these last 20 lines of log; if you're going to reply anyway, I won't do that | 05:00 |
| jdub | not on the list yet, happy for you to do that | 05:01 |
| enrico | jdub: I'll do it, then you see if you want to add something (please do) | 05:02 |
| jdub | ok | 05:03 |
| enrico | jdub: also, I'll post the log until "< enrico> jdub: ok, so we can make a vendor drop with the User's Guide and manage the | 05:04 |
| enrico | rest (docs and manpages) in arch" | 05:04 |
| enrico | since I imagine that you wrote "but we can prioritise it for you guys to test with" before I sent that line | 05:05 |
| enrico | ChrisH, sivang: Do you have any idea why noone's working at the QuickGuide? | 05:11 |
| ChrisH | enrico: You know my frequent complaints... I can hardly follow Sean... | 05:12 |
| ChrisH | enrico: But currently I'm in bed with a flue and can't really do much that requires my brain. :) | 05:13 |
| enrico | ChrisH: but Sean's not working at the QuickGuide at all. That's been stabilized long ago: everything is known about it (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepQuickGuide), and nothing's going to change about how to edit it. | 05:13 |
| enrico | ChrisH: ah, ok | 05:14 |
| ChrisH | enrico: I'm trying to get myself back in and understand everything. | 05:14 |
| enrico | ChrisH: when you get better, if you have nothing to do, you can have a look at that: it's the last main thing on our original list of things to do for Hoary | 05:14 |
| ChrisH | enrico: so the quick guide has prio? no problem. I'll focus on that. | 05:15 |
| enrico | That is: FAQGuide is finished and only needs packaging; About Ubuntu only needs a makefile target and Sean promised to do it; that's all we planned for Hoary... Release notes are also taken care of. | 05:15 |
| enrico | That, and the QuickGuide. At least, that's what we thought at the BOF | 05:15 |
| enrico | ChrisH: cool, thanks! | 05:16 |
| enrico | I'll be on a plane for a couple of days and jetlagged the next day, so I'm trying to make sure that there are not big problems in what were the original goals set at the BOF | 05:16 |
| sivang | enrico: I'll work with ChrisH to see what we can achive on that. | 05:18 |
| sivang | enrico: FAQuide only needs pacakgin? | 05:18 |
| sivang | enrico: and be registered under yelp? | 05:18 |
| ChrisH | enrico: I thought that the UG needed to be finished in time, too | 05:18 |
| sivang | (scorllkeeper) | 05:18 |
| enrico | ChrisH: UG was not really on target AFAIK | 05:19 |
| enrico | sivang: yes: FAQGuide, About ubuntu, QuickGuide and release notes need packaging | 05:19 |
| sivang | enrico: Ok, I might find some time to try and package those, after some refreshment for my omf and scrollkeeper knowledge. | 05:20 |
| ChrisH | enrico: if I am still supposed to help doing the package I still need to get/research information about OMF and scrollkeeper | 05:20 |
| ChrisH | sivang: :) | 05:20 |
| enrico | sivang: for the build, have a look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamBuildingDocumentation | 05:20 |
| enrico | sivang: there's a workaround for building in Hoary and Debian without having xsltproc try to download stuff from the net | 05:21 |
| enrico | ChrisH: dh_installscrollkeeper | 05:21 |
| enrico | ChrisH: and sivang knows everything about it :) | 05:21 |
| sivang | hehe, ChrisH : almost :) | 05:21 |
| enrico | ChrisH: sorry: dh_scrollkeeper | 05:22 |
| enrico | dh_scrollkeeper and dh_installdocs | 05:22 |
| ChrisH | sivang: you got the job, sir, welcome on board :) | 05:22 |
| sivang | enrico: can't we build without downloading stuff from the net? a package building requiring stuff from the net doesn't sound all *too* good to me | 05:22 |
| sivang | ChrisH: I need help in understanding paclkages, first, I have been unable to follow this until some days ago..so we can work together? O:-) | 05:23 |
| enrico | sivang: sure we can: have a look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamBuildingDocumentation | 05:23 |
| ChrisH | sivang: good | 05:23 |
| sivang | enrico: hey, but it's under 15000 word doc..;-) | 05:23 |
| enrico | sivang: yes, it's a short page! And to the point! | 05:24 |
| enrico | I think we recently did a really cool job in the wiki | 05:24 |
| sivang | enrico: amazing, we've been lacking those in the short live of the docteam. | 05:24 |
| sivang | enrico: could you ask Seam to keep it that way? People don't/cannot afford to time to read __long__ docs.. | 05:25 |
| sivang | it's unhealthy for the eyes :) | 05:25 |
| enrico | sivang: I'm also very proud of http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepQuickGuide : have a look! | 05:25 |
| enrico | sivang: I try to ensure that every page that comes out is short and to the point, and I must say that Sean did a pretty good job in most of those already | 05:25 |
| enrico | And if you still see scary pages, mail me and I'll fix them | 05:26 |
| sivang | enrico: ok, thanks :) | 05:26 |
| sivang | I got scary by the new ,that kicked my pages, DocumentationTeam, and some child pages of it that were rewritten by sean :) | 05:27 |
| sivang | it jumped from like 100wrds per page --> 1000 wrds per page..I'll mail you about those that still scare me, on the quick list: | 05:27 |
| sivang | enrico: amazing | 05:30 |
| sivang | enrico: you did a hell of a job, all the former scary pages are gone now. | 05:30 |
| sivang | including the application exchange protocol ro something | 05:30 |
| ChrisH | Yes, enrico has proven that a Wiki is not necessarily an eruption of information hell. :) | 05:31 |
| sivang | I also liek that you removed the "there are several things and skills you must be proficient with before you can start working with the docteam" | 05:31 |
| sivang | I am really glad to see that line vanished | 05:32 |
| sivang | I was starting to think I am not good enough for the docteam anymore...;-) | 05:32 |
| sivang | I am sorry to abrupt like this, but I have held it for some time now...goot to let it go. | 05:32 |
| sivang | and I also mean no offense to Sean, he has very good intentions, but the heat was too high. | 05:34 |
| enrico | well, the cool news is that we seem to be getting on a nice track | 05:37 |
| enrico | well, until last night :) | 05:37 |
| enrico | But hopefully this last outburst is limited to Gnome things that one can choose not to hack on, and is going to be solved soon anyway | 05:38 |
| sivang | actually I would be interested in hacking on the gnome manual, but then I'd have to get together with baz, which might not be that bad :) | 05:42 |
| ChrisH | Sean qualifies for a DD. :) Technically brilliant... just that some other aspects may come short. :) | 05:42 |
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| sivang | so working on the g-u-g would seem something appropriate, given the time and space :) | 05:43 |
| enrico | let's see how that job turns out to be. Sean has been really good in making complex tasks simple with really good quality (like the status tracking, or taking screenshots) | 05:44 |
| enrico | So it's possible that once a way is settled with the rest of the developers, we can come out with a step by step guide that makes the thing manageable | 05:44 |
| enrico | But that comes later. For now, you're welcome to use the QuickGuide to jump back on the game! | 05:45 |
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| enrico | See you in a couple of days! | 05:46 |
| sivang | enrico: bon voyage! | 05:46 |
| ChrisH | enrico: good flights | 05:46 |
| enrico | Thanks!! | 05:46 |
| ChrisH | btw... if 1.1.1 is nice to have for vendor drops... why can't we continue to use John's server for the next half year and update it to 1.1.1? | 06:28 |
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