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BROKEN_LADDERthanks crimsun12:00
VipeRmaNOkay I have Ubuntu installed12:00
VipeRmaNBut my internet isn't working12:00
BROKEN_LADDERsure it is.  you're on irc man. :)12:00
tritiumneighborlee, did you upgrade linux-restricted-modules?12:00
VipeRmaNI'm on my other computer12:00
neighborleeVipeRmaN: do you see that your IP is visible via: ifconfig12:00
BROKEN_LADDERj/k12:00
BROKEN_LADDERwhat happens when you ifconfig eth012:01
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VipeRmaNUmm I don't know, I'm a noob to linux :) how do I do this?12:01
dafox7does anybody know how I can install my emu10k1 midi sequencer without having to do modprobe all the time ?12:01
jcoxon77VipeRmaN: hey, well done12:01
tritiumdafox7, put the module's name in /etc/modules12:01
VipeRmaNjc help! lol12:01
BROKEN_LADDERdoesn't the linux kernel now have some methed for loading needed modules even if they aren't described in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules?12:01
BROKEN_LADDERoh wait..i'm not in slackware anymore.12:02
dafox7tritium, thanks :-)12:02
jcoxon77VipeRmaN: so what's the problem?12:02
neighborleetritium: I  thought of that and im pretty sure apt says its the current version12:02
VipeRmaNI don't think it found my wireless adapter12:02
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jcoxon77VipeRmaN: okay12:02
BROKEN_LADDERcrimsun: i get the same error.  i tried : fakeroot ./debian/rules binary_modules KVERS=$(uname -r) KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)12:02
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jcoxon77VipeRmaN: get up a terminal (applications, system tools, root terminal)12:03
VipeRmaNokay up12:03
jcoxon77VipeRmaN: type in dmesg12:03
crimsunBROKEN_LADDER: is this ubuntu-provided?12:03
BROKEN_LADDERthis module?12:03
BROKEN_LADDERoh no.12:03
crimsunBROKEN_LADDER: yes.12:03
VipeRmaNwow a bunch of stuff12:04
BROKEN_LADDERit's a module to mount an ssh connection.12:04
tritiumneighborlee, could you "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" to verify what packages you have?12:04
BROKEN_LADDERso i can work on my web site.12:04
neighborleetritium: sure np one se c12:04
crimsunBROKEN_LADDER: ah, I presumed since it was in /usr/src/modules/foo that it was.12:04
jcoxon77VipeRmaN: yup, look for eth0 any where12:04
crimsunBROKEN_LADDER: lufs?12:04
VipeRmaNok hold on12:04
BROKEN_LADDERuh huh12:04
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neighborleetritium: both nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx are 662912:04
tritiumneighborlee, use "export COLUMNS=132" (or larger number) if you can't see everything12:04
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tritiumneighborlee, ok...12:05
crimsunBROKEN_LADDER: you'll have to check the build instructions for it12:05
BROKEN_LADDERnow i see why this command obviously didn't work.12:05
jcoxon77VipeRmaN: actually look for wlan0 or prism212:05
jcoxon77VipeRmaN: not eth012:05
jcoxon77VipeRmaN: sorry wrong network type12:06
VipeRmaNi was about to say, I see prism2 lol12:06
BROKEN_LADDERcrimsun: on a side note while i have you on the line, where are the settings that give me the apps, places, desktop menus in gnome?12:06
jcoxon77VipeRmaN: okay12:06
BROKEN_LADDERi just want one menu.12:06
jcoxon77VipeRmaN: type in iwconfig into the terminal12:06
dafox7tritium, what does it mean if my midi plays but there's no sound ?12:06
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VipeRmaNlo no wireless, wlan0 no wireless, sit0 no wireless12:07
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neighborleewould someone t erribly mind posting their CDROM line of sources.list..i'm getting a error on mine and forget what I might have changed to have caused this ....#flood is fine if you wish <<<12:07
dafox7tritium, i figure it out :-)12:07
tritiumdafox7, oh, okay... :)12:07
tritiumwhat was it?12:07
quittedafox7 maybe no instruments loaded?12:07
meskeswlan is wifi.12:07
BalthazarAnybody know why even if I have no audio apps running, it still says my modules are in use? (I'm trying to unload them using either rmmod or modprobe -r)12:07
jcoxon77VipeRmaN: type in lsmod12:07
meskesVipeRmaN: You do know that right? You have a cisco card.12:07
crimsunBROKEN_LADDER: for hoary, I presume? there are quite a few places. `dpkg -L gnome-menus' will tell you where; look at .directory and .menu files.12:07
VipeRmaNOkay12:07
VipeRmaNI have a USB Card12:08
BROKEN_LADDERi'm not going to use lufs. lufs for Debian12:08
BROKEN_LADDER---------------12:08
BROKEN_LADDERWARNING: THIS IS A HIGHLY EXPERIMENTAL PACKAGE WHICH WILL EAT YOUR DATA12:08
BROKEN_LADDERFOR LUNCH!12:08
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pvhWhat's the default sound setup for ubuntu?12:08
jdubpvh: applications configured to use esound, which talks to alsa via oss-emu.12:08
BROKEN_LADDERthx12:08
jdubwhiprush: pingy-pong12:08
dafox7quitte, yeah I jsut figure it out12:08
meskesafk12:08
jcoxon77VipeRmaN: basically i'm looking for prism2 module12:08
VipeRmaNok let me look12:08
dafox7what is the best software for instrument sampling, with vst ?12:08
tritiumdafox7, what was the trouble?12:09
VipeRmaNprism2_usb12:09
jcoxon77right12:09
jcoxon77so when you type in dmesg12:09
jcoxon77is there an instance of prism2 and wlan0?12:09
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quitteneighborlee: apt-cdrom to recreate the line12:09
jcoxon77like a sentence with them both in12:09
VipeRmaNpB0211 is being used by prism2_usb i says12:09
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dafox7tritium, no soundbanks loaded !12:09
jcoxon77thats good12:09
tritiumdafox7, I see12:10
neighborleequitte: hmm handy ..k thx ;0012:10
VipeRmaNLet me look agian :)12:10
dafox7tritium, do you know any good sampling software ?12:10
whiprushjdub: yo12:10
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jdubwhiprush: i had something to say12:10
tritiumdafox7, let me see...12:10
jdubwhiprush: i think it was as a result of reading your blog12:10
whiprushit's better to burn out than to fade away?12:10
jdubwhiprush: so i will refer to it for a moment ;)12:10
jdubwhiprush: ah, that's right.12:11
jdubwhiprush: you guys should join the MOTU instead of maintaining stuff on arslinux.12:11
jdubwhiprush: we are more relaxed about useful updates to universe post-freze.12:11
whiprushthat was my plan.12:11
jdubwhiprush: as long as someone's validating that they work.12:11
whiprushI wanted a place to blow things up while I learn though.12:11
jdubehhxcellent12:11
whiprushIs there some kind of mentor program or something?12:12
VipeRmaNNope not seeing anything12:12
jcoxon77okay12:12
jdubwhiprush: ubuntu-love starts this week. :)12:12
VipeRmaN:(12:12
whiprushk, I'll sign up for that then.12:12
jcoxon77you're so close12:12
crimsunubuntu-love? eh? /me scratches his head12:12
jcoxon77usually when the driver is loaded (which prism2_usb is) iwconfig should give loads of info on wlan012:12
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VipeRmaNhmm, but what does it mean when it doesnt?12:13
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VipeRmaN(the adapter is the only thing usb I have right now, cept for my mouse but got it adapted to ps212:13
tritiumdafox7, all I can think to suggest is to open up synaptic and browse the packages in the "Multimedia" section, particularly in universe and multiverse12:13
crimsunah, I see.12:13
carambolafter upgrading to hoary...realplayer does not work12:13
sangriagHi, I installed ubuntu in amd64 but it does not get into X, does anyone know?12:13
carambolhow to fix it?12:13
jcoxon77iwconfig basically configures wireless12:13
carambolit shows up in mozilla about plugins12:14
VipeRmaNhmm12:14
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tritiumjdub, could you provide a URL for some info on ubuntu-love?12:14
sangriagTried startx but no X is running at bootup12:14
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William_CainHello.12:15
William_CainMay one ask for help in here?12:15
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tritiumWilliam_Cain, of course :)12:15
HrdwrBoByes12:15
VipeRmaNwhen i run the creating a new network connection, dosnt show anything in the drop down for Wireless device12:15
HrdwrBoBthis is the exact right palce to ask for help12:15
carambolhow i fix realplayer?12:15
William_CainOk, I'm a little new to Ubuntu, and I wonder about a couple of things.12:15
jcoxon77got it, you do need to wlan-ng to configure i think12:15
jdubtritium: heh, not yet, going to announce/webpageise today12:15
jcoxon77one sec12:15
tritiumcarambol, in what way is it broken?12:15
VipeRmaNokay12:16
ScooterI am about to install new ATI drivers, should I got to runlevel init 3 first? or can I do it from synaptic? TIA :D this is hoary-64bit BTW :)12:16
William_CainConcerning apt-get... How can I view a list of everything I can install?12:16
tritiumjdub, okay, thanks.  I'll keep a look-out for it.12:16
carambolno bbc12:16
tritiumWilliam_Cain, the easiest way is to browse the packages using the Synaptic Package Manager.12:16
carambolbut RP shows up in the menu12:16
William_CainOk, many thanks.12:16
tritiumthere are other ways, but that's what I recommend12:16
adamistp00p: you still here?12:16
caramboltritium how to fix it12:17
tritiumWilliam_Cain, if you enable the "universe" and "multiverse" repositories, there will be a lot of additional software available for installation12:17
William_CainI believe I have done that.12:18
jcoxon77go and have a look at http://people.zeelandnet.nl/triade/linux/wl-012.html12:18
tritiumcarambol, what do you mean?12:18
caramboltritium :but totem and mozplugger no problem12:18
VipeRmaNso is synaptic like linspires CNR? but free?12:18
jcoxon77i think so12:18
VipeRmaNok jcoxon7712:18
tritiumWilliam_Cain, great :)12:18
carambolif i click a stream-link there is no reaction12:18
jcoxon77you don't need to do the first bit12:18
jcoxon77from about section 2.212:19
tritiumcarambol, did you install Marillat's realplayer package, or how did you install it?12:19
William_CainI went to this Ubuntu FAQ page, and a lot of useful things were listed there.12:19
William_CainBut one question remains.12:19
carambolmarillat before dist upgrading12:19
tritiumWilliam_Cain, there's also a wiki, www.ubuntuguide.org, and ubuntu forums12:19
tritiumCheck them out too!12:19
William_CainAh, that wiki page is exactly the one I was talking about.12:20
tritiumAnd of course join us here12:20
VipeRmaNok so do exactly what it says?12:20
jcoxon77no thats the problem12:20
jcoxon77you need to get wlan-ng installed onto the computer12:20
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VipeRmaNokay how do i do that12:20
adamistis the multiverse repository in the default sources.list?12:20
tritiumcarambol, I'm not sure what the problem may be.  Can you tell me any more?12:20
jcoxon77sadly cause you don't have an internet connection you can't install it via synaptic12:20
tritiumadamist, no.12:21
VipeRmaNlol is there a way to download it on here and save it to floppy?12:21
jcoxon77yes12:21
carambolmaybe it is form the warty backports?12:21
tritiumWilliam_Cain, what's your second question?12:21
William_CainGraphic operations are really slow. Most screen savers run at 5 - 10 fps. How can I install the newest drivers for my graphic card? I have Radeon 9700 PRO.12:21
tritiumAh, an ATI card.  I'm not the best one to ask on that.12:21
VipeRmaNWhere do I get it from?12:21
Scooterhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto     <William_Cain> go here :)12:22
aebcoatviper you want to saave a package to install on another computer?12:22
William_CainThanks, Scooter. I'll have a look.12:22
adamistokay, other than universe and multiverse, are there other popular ubuntu repositories?12:22
VipeRmaNyes aebcoat12:22
HrdwrBoBadamist: no12:22
Scooterbe sure to get kernel upgrade first if needed12:22
tritiumI've been observing questions from people having lots of trouble with the fglrx driver12:22
caramboltritium: it does not show up in synaptic12:22
aebcoatok if you use synaptic it has an option to download only12:22
jcoxon77search on google for wlan-ng ubuntu and download the i386.deb12:22
jcoxon77of wlan-ng12:22
Scooterif you are pentium 4 go 68612:22
tritiumcarambol, "apt-cache policy realplayer" ?12:23
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jcoxon77you shouldn't need any other dependencies12:23
vanRijnre, all12:23
carambolok will try it12:23
vanRijnis anyone using kde in ubuntu?12:23
VipeRmaNokay12:23
RiddellvanRijn: yes12:23
jcoxon77good luck12:23
vanRijnRiddell: did you have to do anything special to install it?12:24
aebcoatone second viper i forgot where it saves it12:24
vanRijnRiddell: or can you just do apt-get install kdebase, kdepim, etc.?12:24
VipeRmaNaeb I dont have the internet on the computer I need the file on :)12:24
RiddellvanRijn: you have to enable the universe repository12:24
caramboltritium it said realplayer 8: not installed12:25
William_CainAnother question: When installing packages, I usually download around 400kb/s, but it sometimes drops to 3kb/s for a konsiderably long time. Is this normal?12:25
RiddellvanRijn: then you can just install it as you say12:25
RiddellvanRijn: KDE 3.2 is in warty, KDE 3.3 is in hoary12:25
tritiumcarambol, I guess that's the problem.  Looks like the dist-upgrade removed it.12:25
meskesvanRijn:I would think ap-get install kde would work.12:25
adamistHrdwrBob: thanks!12:25
William_Cainconesiderably*12:25
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VipeRmaNjcoxon77, is this where i go? http://mirror.isp.net.au/ftp/pub/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux-wlan-ng/12:25
William_Cainconsiderably*... Bleh.12:25
vanRijnhm.12:25
aebcoati know viper, you have a computer with ubuntu online though right?12:25
VipeRmaNNegative12:26
caramboltritium: how to remve rp10?12:26
vanRijnI ran debian unstable for 8 years + until last year, when I switched to fedora.  I'm using kde, though, so I'm not sure if ubuntu is worth a reinstall.  =:)12:26
tritiumcarambol, how did you install it?  It's not a .deb package, is it?12:26
carambolapt-get install12:26
HrdwrBoBadamist: no worries12:26
tritiumvanRijn, there's a new project called kubuntu for kde users12:26
jcoxon77that should work12:26
jcoxon77i'm not promising anything... :-) but this plan should work12:27
carambol.bin package,tritium12:27
NaillLand gubuntu for gnome-users =)12:27
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VipeRmaNwhich one should I d/l12:27
jcoxon77one sec12:27
tritiumcarambol, I believe the realplayer .bin file saves a .log file somewhere of the actions it takes during installation.  you could try to undo what it did by checking it out12:27
jcoxon77http://mirror.isp.net.au/ftp/pub/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux-wlan-ng/linux-wlan-ng_0.2.0+0.2.1pre21-1_i386.deb12:28
vanRijntritium: yeah, I looked at the wiki for that and it looked like they have some pretty tough challenges ahead of them before they can be successful12:28
tritiumvanRijn, Oh, is that right?  I haven't followed it.12:28
caramboltriitum how to dot that?12:28
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VipeRmaNokay :)12:28
K-Richugh12:28
K-Richanyone here use qemu ?12:28
tritiumcarambol, first, try to locate the log file.  it may be a hidden file, so use ls -a when searching12:29
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caramboltritium: will try it12:29
tritiumcarambol, that's about all I can suggest, since I don't have realplayer installed12:29
gholenHow do I unpack .RAR files12:29
VipeRmaNokay how do I install it now jcoxon77?12:30
K-Richgholen: sudo apt-get install rar12:30
gholenthx12:30
K-Richgholen: then you can use file-roller as usual12:30
jcoxon77have you got it onto the ubuntu computer12:31
aebcoatprobably a easy question but where is the trash older for root user?12:31
VipeRmaNhold on having some issues12:31
HrdwrBoBaebcoat: were you using nauilus as root?12:31
gholenIt says that the pakage does not exist12:31
VipeRmaN"unable to mount the selected volume" when im trying to get into my floppy12:31
aebcoatyes bob12:32
jcoxon77how are you trying to mount the floppy?12:32
tritiumcarambol, good luck - dinner time for me...see you later12:32
HrdwrBoBaebcoat: basically.. don't do that12:32
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aebcoatheh yeah i know its dangerous12:32
HrdwrBoBaebcoat: that saud, sudo nautilus trash://12:32
HrdwrBoBwill get you the trash12:32
HrdwrBoBsaid12:32
VipeRmaNI want trying to mount it i dont think lol, I put the floppy in this one, put the file on it, put it in the other one, and went to "computer, disks, floppy 1" and when i clicked on flopopy 1 it gave me that message12:33
jcoxon77hmmm12:33
jcoxon77sadly i don't have a floppy drive (i run ubuntu ppc on and ibook)12:33
VipeRmaNlol let me try a diff disk12:33
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aebcoatthat did it bob, thanks, i had files owned by root i wanted to get rid of and just used nautilus to erase them instead of using the terminal12:34
scoonjcoxon77, how does that work out for you.  I am considering getting an ibook.12:34
kentVipeRmaN, the sad part about Linux/Gnome is that the way to handle floppy's are a bit strange. When you copied files to the floppy, dont just remove tha floppy. Make sure you "unmount" the floppy first before removing it.12:34
Xoltanyone know if ubuntu has GNUarch as a package? the 'tla' package isnt what i was looking for12:35
VipeRmaNHow do I unmount it?12:35
kentVipeRmaN, i dont have a floppy so i cant say for sure, but i think rightclicking on the device and selecting unmount is enough.  Otherwise the floppy will get a corrupt filesystem.12:35
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VipeRmaNhey taht worked kent, But I had to "Mount" it on ubuntu12:36
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jcoxon77scoon: it runs really well - i run hoary updated to the minute, fan is not as quiet as in os x and i'm still struggling with dvd playback but overall really good12:37
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VipeRmaNSo where should I save it to? (im used to windows)12:37
scoonjcoxon77, do you use ndiswrapper for the wifi ?12:37
jcoxon77no12:37
kentVipeRmaN, yes. Mount and unmount is the way.  (the cd's are handled in the same way, but gnome is a bit better on hiding the "mounting" part for cdroms)12:37
jcoxon77scoon: i don't have the wireless option12:38
VipeRmaN:)12:38
scoonjcoxon77, ah.12:38
jcoxon77scoon: instead i have a usb zd120112:38
jdubXolt: bazaar.canonical.com :)12:38
jdubXolt: you can use it, or tla.12:38
VipeRmaNSo where should I save this file to? is there a folder somewhere? (I'm used to things like C:)12:38
jcoxon77VipeRmaN: copy it to your home folder12:38
VipeRmaNok12:38
VipeRmaNum says i dont have permissions to write to this folder?12:39
VipeRmaNoh nvm12:39
VipeRmaNhad to click on my name12:39
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VipeRmaNok now its on the computer12:40
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jcoxon77okay, now load up the root terminal again12:40
jcoxon77and type these commands12:40
VipeRmaNokay12:40
jcoxon77everything in inverted commas type12:40
jcoxon77"ls" enter12:41
jcoxon77you should see the file12:41
jcoxon77yer?12:41
jcoxon77yes?12:41
VipeRmaNyes12:41
diegohi all. i can't seem to get this machine to boot the install disc. it's an hp pavilion 8240. the error message is "Loading isolinux: Disk error 01, AX = 4286, drive 9F". any ideas?12:41
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jcoxon77now "dpkg -i"12:42
jcoxon77followed by a space12:42
jcoxon77and then the file name12:42
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aebcoatdiego is it a cdrw disc or a -r?12:42
jcoxon77qucik hint type the first few letters and then press tab to complete the filename12:42
kentdiego, tried burning at a lower speed? it might help, i have had problems my self booting cd's that are burnt in high speed :(12:42
diegoaebcoat: -r, i tried 212:43
diegokent: did you get that error?12:43
aebcoatdid you run a md5 against the iso?12:43
VipeRmaNand then enter jco?12:43
diegoaebcoat: well one of them is actively installing on another computer without any trouble right now12:44
jcoxon77yup12:44
aebcoatoh ok12:44
jcoxon77sorry12:44
kentdiego, no, not that one.. but random errors becaus the filesystem is corrupted, i think.12:44
VipeRmaNokay12:44
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jcoxon77did it work12:44
jcoxon77?12:44
diegoany other ideas besides a bad cd?12:44
DAC1138new kernel still didnt work :-(12:44
DAC1138this is pissing me off12:44
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aebcoatmay try another cd drive12:45
VipeRmaNok jcox12:45
VipeRmaNits back to the prompt12:45
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jcoxon77type "wlanctl-ng" enter12:45
diegoaebcoat: possibly, i guess i should try to figure out what that error means12:45
aebcoatsometimes the cd drive is bad but still works12:45
diegois there a channel for isolinux?12:46
VipeRmaNok now what12:46
jcoxon77what came up?12:46
aebcoatif nothing else try to clean a drive with a done of them cleaning drives or use compressed air12:46
Cinduxcompressed air pwnz :P12:46
Cinduxi had so much crap in my fan it was unbelievable12:46
Cinduxthick chunks12:46
VipeRmaNum what is supposed to be here? thers a few things12:46
aebcoatheh12:46
Cinduxdiego just try the general Linux channel, #linux12:47
jcoxon77we need to look back at that guide i found12:47
jcoxon77one sec12:47
VipeRmaNok12:47
diegowell thanks for the help12:47
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Cinduxum12:48
CinduxAnyone here who uses ebay,12:48
jcoxon77http://people.zeelandnet.nl/triade/linux/wl-012.html12:48
Cinduxthe "Buy It Now" feature allows me to buy it despite the auction right ?12:48
aebcoatyes12:48
Cinduxand the person auctioning the item12:48
Cinduxcant do nuttin12:48
Cindux?12:48
Cinduxsay it was 50 buy it now12:48
Cinduxand someone bidded 6012:48
Cinduxbut ti wasnt over12:48
VipeRmaNok what am i to do?12:49
aebcoatif you buy it now it will automatically take you to paypal to pay them12:49
Cinduxnm lol12:49
Cinduxoh knows12:49
agd5fhow does on install hoary? is there a iso or do I have to install warty first then upgrade packages?12:49
Cinduxi dunt got paypal :912:49
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jcoxon77Cindux: if you buy it now at 50, you will pay 50 and they have to sell it to you at 50, thats the contract.12:49
Cinduxic12:49
Cinduxaren't there any other ways to12:50
CinduxBuy It Now rather than paypal12:50
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jcoxon77VipeRmaN: type in the console "gedit /etc/wlan/wlan.conf" enter12:50
aebcoati think their is cindux but just make sure he seller will acceot your chosen method12:51
VipeRmaNokay12:51
jcoxon77Cindux: check the users paying options and if it says you can pay it by cheque even if its a Buy It Now.12:51
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Cinduxhm12:52
adamisti see libflac4 is causing dependency problems.  does someone know the command for building the libsdl-sound deb from source?12:52
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dseomnhool12:52
dseomnsry, wrong window (gaim froze)12:53
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jcoxon77VipeRmaN: you need to edit SSID_wlan0="12:53
VipeRmaNok to what12:53
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jcoxon77your wireless access points name12:54
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VipeRmaNokay12:55
adamistdoes anyone know the apt command to build a package from the source repository?12:55
levanderi'm on gnome-look.org and see gtk themes and metacity themes, i've already installed the metacity theme that i want via Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Theme.  Now, how do I install the gtk theme??12:55
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levandercan find instructions nowhere12:55
jcoxon77after this save the file12:55
jcoxon77and then restart your computer12:56
VipeRmaNok12:56
jcoxon77then everything should automagically configure itself12:56
kentlevander, download them from the internet and then from the theme-manager you should be able to install them12:56
jcoxon77i hope! :)12:56
VipeRmaNI hope too!!! :)12:56
Cinduxbah12:56
Cinduxim buying a mini pc :p12:56
VipeRmaNshould i click "save current setup" on the log out screen?12:57
Cinduxnever212:57
kentlevander, or unpackage the themes to .themes in your home and the icon-themes to .icons  in your home12:57
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levanderkent, i think that's only for metacity themes, when i use install from gnome-theme-manager for what gnome-look.org calls a gtk theme, the new theme doesn't show up in the icon list12:57
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jcoxon77no no need12:57
VipeRmaNok just making sure12:58
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kentlevander, in the theme-manager, if you press "details" and then in the controls section (which is gtk+ themes) try to install the theme from there, it might work?12:58
BROKEN_LADDERi can't seem to mount a samba share over ssh.  if this is so hard, how do web sites ever get done?12:58
meskesYou dont mount samba over ssh.12:59
meskessmb is way too flacky of a protocol for something like that.12:59
levanderkent, i'll try thanks01:00
kentlevander, otherwise unpack the gtk-theme to .themes in your home. it should work aswell.01:00
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BROKEN_LADDERof course you do.01:01
Ephemeraldoes anyone know where i can get the shockwave flash plug in for firefox?01:01
BROKEN_LADDERhow else can you edit a web site?01:01
BROKEN_LADDERflash is proprietary.01:02
gholenIt does not work, it says that the package "rar" could not be finded, how do I do then? thanks for the help01:02
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kentEphemeral, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:02
levanderkent, fuck, something i did already put the bluecurve theme in ~/.themes/gtkrc, but at the very least, the background color isn't the same as what I saw on the web page, do i have to restart gnome?01:02
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BROKEN_LADDERmeskes: how else do you propose i mount my web site directory so i can work on it?01:03
meskesDont use windows?01:03
kentlevander, hmm, sounds like the theme did not install properly.  Try unpacking it to .themes in your homedir and change the theme again. otherwise,.. im not sure :)01:03
kentgholen, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:03
BROKEN_LADDERmeskes: i use linux.01:03
kentgholen, oh.. sorry, wrong person.01:04
BROKEN_LADDERmeskes: my site is hosted on a linux box.01:04
gholengotta check it01:04
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gholenokej=)01:04
meskesThen why are you wanting to use Samba?01:04
BROKEN_LADDERgholen: you speak esperanto or something?01:04
BROKEN_LADDERwhat else can i use?01:04
meskesthats utterly stupid01:04
BROKEN_LADDERi'm trying to mount a remote directory.01:04
BROKEN_LADDERgreat.  tell me what's better.01:04
randabis-laptopnfs?01:04
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meskesBROKEN_LADDER: ssh && scp01:04
randabis-laptopsamba is for windows shares...01:05
BROKEN_LADDERscp?01:05
meskesnothing more, nothing less.01:05
BROKEN_LADDERrandabis no kidding!01:05
randabis-laptoplolz01:05
meskesBROKEN_LADDER: Hell, for that matter, FTP01:05
gholenBROKEN_LADDER; no, I speak swedish, but I guess thats not a big help, huh?01:05
BROKEN_LADDERhow am i supposed to mount an ftp share?01:05
meskesYou dont.01:05
BROKEN_LADDERyou type a j instead of a y.01:05
BROKEN_LADDERwtf01:05
meskesYou copy the files over.01:06
meskesBROKEN_LADDER: You are dainbramaged, arent you?01:06
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BROKEN_LADDERperhap.01:06
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BROKEN_LADDERoh my gawd01:06
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BROKEN_LADDERyou are proposing that i copy a file and edit it, and every time i save it i copy it back over ftp?01:07
BROKEN_LADDERthat's insane.01:07
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EphemeralERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the01:07
Ephemeral       Macromedia Flash Player installer.01:07
jdubguys, keep it nice please01:07
Ephemeralah crap01:07
tritiumwhy am I not surprised that the moment I get back, BROKEN_RECORD is talking about flash being proprietary01:07
BROKEN_LADDERtritium: is it not?01:07
tritiumI just know you too well by now :)01:07
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BROKEN_LADDERi said that almost to be funny.  although i don't use flash ever.01:08
Ephemerallooks like no flash for me :/01:08
meskesYOU DONT MOUNT /REMOTE/ FS's with samba and most certainly NOT on a fileserver.01:08
meskeserr web server01:08
BROKEN_LADDERmeskes: then why are there howtos about doing it?01:08
tritiumBROKEN_LADDER, :)01:08
meskesBROKEN_LADDER: How long have you used Linux?01:09
BROKEN_LADDERlike two years.01:09
BROKEN_LADDERi used to use slack though.01:09
BROKEN_LADDERjust started using ubuntu.01:09
meskessigh01:09
BROKEN_LADDERread this meskes http://www.ibiblio.org/gferg/ldp/Samba-with-SSH/Samba-with-SSH.html#toc401:09
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meskesBROKEN_LADDER: if you want to use something like that to a remote site, use ipsec.01:09
BROKEN_LADDERyou must realize that the idea of ftping files over every single time you make a change is utterly ridiculous.01:09
BROKEN_LADDERmeskes: now there's a thought.01:10
iMeXdiACjdub randabis .. about the font: gnome location i wrote earlier .. the thing i was struggling over was that the new installed/dragged font shows only up after a gnome restart in fonts:01:10
insanekanehi, .... how do i burn an iso in ubuntu ?01:10
HrdwrBoBBROKEN_LADDER: smb acheives precisely the same thing, however if you already have ssh acess01:10
HrdwrBoBaccess01:10
HrdwrBoB... use ssh01:10
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popeyinsanekane, cdrecord01:10
jdubBROKEN_LADDER: one would hope that you'd patiently sit down and follow the documentation.01:10
HrdwrBoBssh://user@host/01:10
dseomninsanekane: open the folder in nautilus, right click on the iso, and write to disk01:10
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HrdwrBoByou can use that in nautilus01:10
knghtbrdinsanekane: I typically use cdrecord from the cmdline, it's faster if you have an ISO handy01:10
insanekanedseomn, thanks01:10
HrdwrBoBdrag and drop the files onto it01:10
kentBROKEN_LADDER, cant gnome handle files over ssh? Just use the connect to server dialog and then gnome will browse the remote as a local filesystem.. shouldn't that work for you?01:10
insanekanethe problem is cdrecord --scanbus doesnt find any devices :((01:11
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Safari_AlCan anyone here shed any light on why ncpfs is not in the Packages file for i386 for warty's universe?01:11
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HrdwrBoBkent: yep01:11
popeyinsanekane, ignore that01:11
meskeskent: Theres a thought too01:11
knghtbrdinsanekane: in 2.6 you don't need it to find devices  =)01:11
tritiuminsanekane, is at ATAPI?01:11
popeyinsanekane, cdrecord dev=/dev/hdX where X is your cd burner01:11
insanekanepopey, oh ok cool01:11
insanekaneknghtbrd, popey, tritium: thanks :)01:11
popeynp01:11
insanekaneit seems to be working now01:11
popey\o/01:11
meskesMan, Im getting very upset with Cisco01:11
Fleebailey33anyone have have experienve with a tivo box. using something such as freevo?01:12
meskesThey wont reset my pass01:12
dseomnFleebailey33: you mean making a homemade one, not modifying a tivo, right?01:12
knghtbrdFleebailey33: I have an old series 1 tivo.  I haven't replaced its OS because I couldn't get any people seriously interested in doing what I wanted to do.01:12
tritiuminsanekane, if you want to configure cdrecord, you can try "cdrecord dev=ATAPI: --scanbus"01:12
Fleebailey33yes. making a home made one.01:13
Fleebailey33i want other uses. but mainly tivo01:13
insanekanetritium, ok01:13
meskesFleebailey33: MythTV01:13
insanekanebrb01:13
popeyFleebailey33, freevo and mythtv are both good01:13
kentgodnight.01:13
Fleebailey33what parts would i need? i can get a p3 for free01:13
knghtbrdFleebailey33: if you can get MPEG capture, you're good to go.01:14
knghtbrdelse you might need a bigger CPU01:14
dseomnknghtbrd: I thought the official ubuntu stance was to use theora01:14
PlukBROKEN_LADDER, you could check lufs-source and lufs-utils for ftpfs01:14
Plukit also supports sshfs and httpfs01:15
tritiumFleebailey33, there are mythtv packages available in multiverse01:15
Fleebailey33what kind of video card would i need?01:15
popeyone with tv out :D01:15
Fleebailey33i also want to make this with remote access on a powerbook01:15
tritiumcheck out http://www.mythtv.org/01:15
knghtbrddseomn: theora?  isn't that a video codec?01:15
knghtbrdoh!01:16
Fleebailey33going to fun01:16
Fleebailey33going to be fun*01:16
knghtbrdno, seriously, you want MPEG201:16
knghtbrdin hardware.01:16
popeyFleebailey33, remote access?01:16
Fleebailey33yes01:16
dseomnknghtbrd: oh, I thought you meant software01:16
Xoltubuntu's tla package isnt the real gnuarch package though...01:16
popeyFleebailey33, you planning to stream the video over the network?01:16
Fleebailey33yeah01:16
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HrdwrBoBknghtbrd: or HDTV01:16
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HrdwrBoBknghtbrd: which is native MPEG2, no dramas01:16
knghtbrdif you combine that with an MPEG decoder (Hollywood+ or DXR3 or something), you need VERY little CPU overhead.01:17
knghtbrdin fact, that's how the series 1 TiVo does it with a 53MHz CPU  ;)01:17
jdubXolt: erm...?01:17
HrdwrBoBnot to mention higher quality01:17
carambolwaht is the command to remove a directory withforce?01:17
knghtbrdMPEG2 decoder and encoder.01:17
neighborleehi all.I have a nasty x cpu useage of around 20% or so...how do I tell whats causing it..ie: no other processes are taking cpu time ..??? ( kernel 2.6.10  and nvidia 6629 btw)01:17
Xoltjdub, ubuntu's tla package isnt like gnuarch.org01:17
dseomncarambol: rm -rf01:17
jdubXolt: in what way?01:17
carambolok01:17
carambolthnx01:17
Xoltall ways? i cant even 'tla register' an archive01:17
jdubtla register-archive is the command01:18
knghtbrddseomn: capture cards come in two flavours, raw/MJPEG and MPEG.  You want MPEG if you want to not need a boatload of spare CPU cycles01:19
dseomnknghtbrd: I never knew that (though it should have been obvious b/c it's similar to RAID cards)01:19
jordiwow, knghtbrd. What's up dude?01:20
nevynand you want mjpeg/raw if you want complete control over encoding01:20
knghtbrdhi jordi01:21
knghtbrdnevyn: most people don't want their TV recorder to sound like an aircraft coming in for a landing01:21
knghtbrdthe average high-power PC sounds like that01:21
nevynthe backend CAN be somewhere else.01:22
nevynie. basement machine room. under stairs.01:22
dseomnnevyn: that adds cost though01:22
popeyindeed, friend of mine has his media box PXE boot from another machine01:22
nevynonly the frontend needs to be at the TV01:22
popeydseomn, not if you already have a server..01:22
jordiknghtbrd: in case you don't remember, I realise I changed my nickname. I was Oskuro, from #debian-*01:23
dseomnpopey: good point01:23
jordiknghtbrd: what are you doing, these days?01:23
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William_CainHi.01:26
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K-Richgreets01:27
Cinduxwith an ethernet port you dont need an internal modem right01:27
William_CainI have a problem with my desktop backround tool.01:27
William_CainIt crashes when I try to open it.01:27
knghtbrdjordi: Psychology, special education, Palm development (mostly pilot-link), and various things with Macs01:27
farruinncan anyone suggest a better calendar app than evolution?01:28
cardadorfarruinn: sunbird01:28
popeyfabbione, sunbird01:28
cardadoreheh wrong guuy01:28
popeyoops01:28
farruinnyeah, it happens01:28
popeydamn tab completion01:28
farruinnI think he's a dev though...01:29
William_CainDoes anyone know what I can do to fix the broken desktop background properties program?01:29
farruinnso sunbird - sounds like a mozilla project01:29
popeyit is01:29
K-Richcalendar01:29
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farruinnWilliam_Cain: are you using warty or hoary?01:30
William_CainI'm using Warty.01:30
William_CainIs Hoary an older version of Ubuntu?01:31
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ajmitchWilliam_Cain: no, newer, unreleased & in development01:31
kbrooksno01:31
kbrooksnewer.01:31
William_CainIf it may be of any help, I just installed ATI graphic card drivers.01:31
William_CainI'd really like to change my desktop background. The current one is most boring.01:33
Cinduxhm01:33
farruinndo you get some sort of error?01:33
tritiumWilliam_Cain, not sure about that.  I thought that was an old bug that was fixed.01:33
CinduxGIMP's very powerful, no doubt you can design some sort of pattern yourself01:33
William_CainIndeed I do...01:33
HrdwrBoBWilliam_Cain: right click change desktop background01:33
tritiumNew install, right?  Did you update and upgrade?01:33
Cinduxcheck out http://www.deviantart.com01:34
William_CainNew install?01:34
Cinduxyou'llfind excellent wallpapers01:34
William_CainI have the most excellent wallpapers you could dream of.01:34
Cinduxlol01:34
William_CainI just can't apply them because I get an error when opening the desktop background program, and it closes.01:34
CinduxI design my own :D01:34
K-Richsame here01:34
popeythey're clearly not that excellent then are they :P01:35
Cinduxexcept for a few abstracts I found on deviant01:35
William_CainI find mine at www.digitalblasphemy.com.01:35
Cinduxexcellent site as well01:35
William_CainI don't have the time to make my own.01:35
popeyi dont have the skill to make my own01:35
K-Richi make mine using www.blender3d.org and www.gimp.org and www.inkscape.org :P01:36
William_CainThe error I get is:01:36
William_CainThe Application "gnome-background-properties" has quit unexpectedly.01:36
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tritiumK-Rich, you use inkscape?  Do you know if it can edit postscript, eps, and pdf images?01:37
William_CainI sometimes make things in 3D Studio Max, but I'm mainly a programmer, so it's not my favourite area.01:37
kbrooksWilliam_Cain, windows?01:38
kbrooksdo you use windows01:38
William_CainWindows?01:38
William_CainIf I understand your question right, then yes, I use Windows. Windows XP to be precise.01:38
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William_CainWindows 2000 too, actually.01:39
farruinnWilliam_Cain: does the same thing happen when you try to start it by right-clicking the desktop>change background?01:39
William_CainYes, it does.01:39
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William_CainSo, can I reinstall it or something?01:41
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farruinnthat's the best thing I can tell you01:41
ubhutiROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed!01:41
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William_CainIs he a god of some sort?01:42
BROKEN_LADDERPluk: the readme for lufs says that it's very unstable and dangerous01:42
dseomnwhat does ubhuti mean?01:42
BROKEN_LADDERubuntu?01:42
PlukBROKEN_LADDER, you gotta live on the wild side!01:42
BROKEN_LADDERit's described on ubuntulinux.org01:43
Pluk--;01:43
BROKEN_LADDERPluk: i wish i could do that ssh mount thing, but lufs says it will EAT YOUR DATA FOR LUNCH01:43
K-Richtritium: yes it can import at least01:43
HrdwrBoBBROKEN_LADDER: open a nautilus window01:43
Pluklol hehe better not try it then :)01:43
dseomnBROKEN_LADDER: no, ubhuti, the bot that said root has landed01:43
HrdwrBoBBROKEN_LADDER: press ctrl+l01:43
CKKnightnautilus sftp://01:43
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BROKEN_LADDERHrdwrBoB: i've done all this.01:43
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BROKEN_LADDERbut okay01:43
tritiumK-Rich, thanks.  I might check it out.01:43
HrdwrBoBBROKEN_LADDER: type ssh://user@server.location/01:43
HrdwrBoBdrag and drop files01:43
BROKEN_LADDERthat doesn't work.01:43
HrdwrBoBwatch, enjoy01:43
William_CainMy problem persists. Does anyone know how I can, say, reinstall the "gnome-background-properties" program?01:44
p00pany way to tell why the sound that gdm plays when it gets to the login screen plays like 8 times in short succession?01:44
CKKnightBROKEN_LADDER: it's sftp://, not ssh://01:44
K-Richtritium: save as well01:44
HrdwrBoBWilliam_Cain: run it from the command line and see what it says01:44
BROKEN_LADDERHrdwrBoB: it just allows me to copy files.  it doesn't allow apps like gimp to use themas hough they were remotely mounted.01:44
BROKEN_LADDERthem as01:44
popeyWilliam_Cain, that probably wont help01:44
tritiumK-Rich, thanks :)01:44
BROKEN_LADDERer..mounted.01:44
William_CainOk.01:44
HrdwrBoBBROKEN_LADDER: I was under the impression you needed to upload files for web development01:45
William_CainUhm, hehe, how do I run it from command line?01:45
BROKEN_LADDERi want to be able to edit my site.01:45
BROKEN_LADDERas in, access the files directly.  i can't just copy files over every time i make a change.01:45
BROKEN_LADDERthat would take forever.01:45
BROKEN_LADDERi'm going to try to set up nfs01:45
popeyWilliam_Cain, just open a terminal and type "gnome-background-properties"01:45
William_CainOk, thanks.01:45
BROKEN_LADDERdoes nfs have a secure mode?01:45
popeyBROKEN_LADDER, thats what rsync is for01:45
popeyjust upload the changes01:45
William_CainIt still crashes.01:45
adamistbtw, if someone is having libflac dependency problems, you can use apt-build to work around them01:46
popeybut does it give an error message William_Cain ?01:46
popeyBROKEN_LADDER, you're asking for trouble editing directly on the web.. what if you screw it up? where's the backup?01:46
farruinnWilliam_Cain: anything helpful in the output?01:46
adamistdetails on apt-build at http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html01:46
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zenwhenOh great01:47
zenwhensquid is broken now01:47
Buuyo^You wouldn't believe it. The craziest thing is happening with my ubuntu. (It uses debian network/interfaces). It thinks my bridge device is a wireless network device.01:47
HrdwrBoBWilliam_Cain: yes, but does it give an error01:47
William_CainNo, it just says that "The Application "gnome-background-properties" has quit unexpectedly."01:47
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zenwhensure am glad I upgraded lol01:47
robertjWilliam: are you running warty?01:47
popeyWilliam_Cain, did you do this in a terminal?01:47
William_CainI've tried to open it in every way known to man.01:48
popeyin a terminal?01:48
CKKnighthehe - while true; do sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; sleep 60; done01:48
William_CainYes.01:48
BROKEN_LADDERpopey: i keep backup files.01:48
robertjI ran into that before01:48
Xolthmm what relation does yywrap() have to gcc compilers?01:48
popeyand it produced no error messages in the terminal?01:48
William_CainIt always produce that error message.01:48
BROKEN_LADDERpopey: i regularly copy my entire web directory to a backup.01:48
William_CainNo matter how you start it.01:48
popeyWilliam_Cain, no, NOT the popup box.. IN the terminal!01:48
robertjWilliam: yeah, that's a problem, I don't know what causes it01:49
HrdwrBoBWilliam_Cain: what we're saying is that there should be more output in the terminal related to that errr01:49
HrdwrBoBerror01:49
William_CainOk...01:49
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William_CainWhen I write "gnome-background-properties" in my terminal, the program opens and crashes.01:49
farruinnit prints some stuff out in the terminal first though?01:50
Cinduxls sls slslslsl01:50
William_CainNo, nothing.01:50
popeyWilliam_Cain, you could try moving/renaming/deleting the file ~./gnome2/backgrounds.xml as it may be b0rked01:50
CinduxDoes anyone know where the default backgrounds for ubuntu are stored?01:50
Cinduxi'd like to put mine in the same DIR01:50
dseomnCindux: why?01:51
Cinduxmeh, I like to stay organized01:51
regeyausually I get annoyed at 'why?' questions, but I agree.01:51
William_CainIf I delete the file "~./gnome2/backgrounds.xml," will anything bad happen?01:51
p00pdoes anyone know how i can tell why the GDM startup sound plays like 8 times in a row?01:51
CinduxI dont like having the same thing in seperate places thats all01:51
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robertjdoes anyone know how to unlock firefox profiles?01:51
popeyWilliam_Cain, move or rename it01:51
popeyso you can put it back01:51
dseomnCindux: /usr/share/backgrounds/ if you must know01:51
William_CainOk.01:51
Cinduxone more queston :D01:52
Xolthmm what relation does yywrap() have to gcc compilers?01:52
Cindux< - Linux noob01:52
CinduxHow can I get there TO put the backgrounds in ?01:52
Cinduxshould i open something like GIMP & then do save as01:52
William_Cain<- Pretty fresh to Linux himself.01:52
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dseomnCindux: if you're a noob, *definitely* don't mess with the fhs (file hierarchy standard)01:53
popeyCindux, you could do "sudo cp directory_containing_images/* /usr/share/backgrounds"01:53
Cinduxand that will just move them ?01:53
popeynoflex, copy01:53
popeyreplace cp with mv to move01:53
Cinduxsudo sp home/desktop/image.jpg*/usr/share/backgrounds ? ?  ?01:54
dseomncp01:54
Cinduxoh01:54
Cinduxcp = copy /01:54
popeyand with a space after the star01:54
Cinduxoh01:54
tritiumWilliam_Cain, I think this is your bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=255701:54
dseomnCindux: the star isn't necessary for one image01:54
popeyWilliam_Cain, is it still crashing01:55
Cinduxthen what would i do ??01:55
popeywhat do you *want* to do?01:55
William_CainYes, that seems to be the bug!01:55
Cindux?01:55
Cinduxoh01:55
CinduxI simply want to move an image into the default background folder for ubuntu01:55
popeythen yes, just take out the star01:55
dseomnCindux: "sudo cp home/desktop/image.jpg /usr/share/backgrounds"01:55
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Cinduxbut isnt cp = copy ?01:56
Cinduxsomeone said to use mv if movin g01:56
popeyas I said, replace cp with mv for move01:56
Cinduxoh01:56
Cinduxlo01:56
dseomnCindux: no, this is *nix not MS-DOS01:56
Cinduxthank you :P01:56
Cindux:(01:56
William_CainOk, so we found the bug. How can we fix it?01:56
popeyheh01:57
dseomnCindux: we *nix ppl use abbrs01:57
Cinduxpff01:57
regeyahaha01:57
Cinduxlol01:57
popeyno William_Cain we found the bug *report* not the bug :D01:57
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DonLHere's what I do: I have a home folder called photos that I put all my nice pictures in. When I find one I want to use for a background, I right click on the desktop, choose new background, surf to that folder, and install it. Even if I change it later, that picture is still there, still available from the backgron=unds01:57
CinduxI downloaded 12-13 ebooks so hopefully ill fully understand soon01:57
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popeyditto DonL01:57
regeyaUNIX COMMAND NAMING SCHEME:  pick two random characters.01:57
Cinduxfirst ones history of linux which is cool so far01:57
nevynregeya: no think of whatever you want to do reduce it to as few letters as possible.01:58
dseomnCindux: (just for background info) the star is called a wildcard, it matches any 0 or more characters01:58
William_CainOk, the bug report...01:58
Cinduxblink01:58
nevyndseomn: in globbing.01:58
Cinduxlol i got confused01:58
nevynin regex it means something else01:58
Cinduxi did some programming and * meant multiply01:58
William_CainIt says that this program shouldn't crash.01:58
Cinduxthan kjs01:58
William_CainSo I wonder what I may have done.01:58
dseomnnevyn: I know, this is in a shell glob01:58
nevynCindux: oh it does that too.01:58
Cinduxlol01:58
popeyWilliam_Cain, did you try moving the xml file out?01:58
nevynhaving globbing AND regexs suck.01:58
Cinduxi still dont get why people use windows other than games = /01:59
nevynwe should have a glob based searching thing.01:59
William_CainNo, I don't know where it's located...01:59
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Cinduxim a moron when it comes to installing n crap01:59
HaRDaWaYhi!!!01:59
CKKnightCindux: it's "reliable"01:59
popeyWilliam_Cain, in your home directory there is a directory called .gnome201:59
popeyits there01:59
dseomnnevyn: I wonder if psh will combine them01:59
nevynCKKnight: it's well designed has a flexible and usable permission system01:59
William_CainHow can I turn on some kind of "show hidden files and folders" feature in File Browser?02:00
dseomnnevyn: define "usable" please02:00
nevynoh. it has a modern graphics drawing system02:00
HaRDaWaYmmm i need sources.list of hoary, there are any web to get it? i have only a few of repositories02:00
nevyndseomn: DACLS are good. really. unix permissions suck and acls on linux are a pain in the ass.02:00
heliolithQuickpoll Question: Does anyone here use tkpgp for running PGP on Ubuntu?  If not, what do you use instead?  (Answers inform my decision on which app to install)02:00
popeyWilliam_Cain, edit --> preferences -->02:00
HaRDaWaYand..packages as ettercap, i havent it02:00
William_CainHurray! The problem is solved.02:01
dseomnnevyn: what's wrong with *nix perms?02:01
William_CainThanks a million, popey.02:01
DonLWhat happened?02:01
popeyWilliam_Cain, no problem02:01
popeyhe moved the xml config file out of the way02:01
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nevyndseomn: they're inflexible.02:01
tritiumheliolith, I think there's someting called seahorse02:01
popeyand on that note, time for bed02:01
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dseomnnevyn: name one thing you can't do with them?02:01
DonLI'm off as well02:02
heliolithtritium thanks02:02
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nevyndseomn: how can I have a group of writers who can create documents editors that can change documents but not create documents and plebs who can't do anything02:02
tritiumheliolith, sure.  I've never used it, but I know it's a gnome app.02:02
BROKEN_LADDERi can't find the preferences that define the gnome menu in ubunt.02:02
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BROKEN_LADDERwhere are they?02:02
BROKEN_LADDERlike i want that "places" "desktop" stuff all in one menu.02:03
Mhisanihi I got a  daft question, I want to forward a port to another machine and I already have a NAT. how do i achive that02:03
heliolithI'm seeing its summary now in Synaptic.  Says it's a frontend for GnuPG which is a PGP alternative... good I'm sure, unless your contacts use PGP02:03
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tritiumthere's also gpgp02:03
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aebcoati got a quick question, anyone know how to set up a screesnaver to act like the "My pictures" one in Win XP where it just displays random pictures02:03
nevyndseomn: NT's DACLS are much much better than unix permissions. really02:03
aToasterAfternoon guys02:03
popeyBROKEN_LADDER, on my machine I right click the menu and choose "help" to find out02:03
dseomnnevyn: ok, I see how that works, thanks02:04
aToasterAnyone try the new ATI drivers for Linux?  know how well they work? with cedega?02:04
popeyaebcoat, there is a screensaver already that does that.. i can't remember the name02:04
nevyndseomn: don't get me wrong linux rocks but it has deficiencies and ignoring them doesn't make them go away.02:05
heliolithtritium, yeah, but I think GPGP is also independent of PGP.... ie. i couldn't use it with my pgp keys, or with anyone else that's using pgp, but would have to get contacts to switch over as well...  I'm going to try tkpgp which claims to be a front end for either02:05
tritiumBROKEN_LADDER, the .desktop files are in /usr/share/applications02:05
tritiumheliolith, okay, sorry02:05
BROKEN_LADDERtritium: i'm not talking about the .desktop files.02:05
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BROKEN_LADDERi mean..the files that actually define which menus exist.02:06
nevynheliolith: gpg can interoperate with pgp 502:06
popeyBROKEN_LADDER, the help explains it02:06
heliolithnevyn oh really? do you use it? you think gpgp is better than tkpgp?02:06
nevynheliolith: it supports OpenPGP keys which pgp 5 also supports. but I don't think it supports 3des keys02:06
mandanhi I need help configuring dialup on Ubuntu... does anyone know what program I can use?02:06
aToasterAnyone use the new ATI drivers?02:06
nevynheliolith: I'm a commandline kinda guy.02:06
regeyamandan: I suggest pppconfig, rather than the gnome system tool02:07
nevynheliolith: I have little scripts for doing stuff like signing keys and emailing them back to the owner encrypted and stuff.02:07
popeymandan, pppconfig02:07
regeyamandan: the gnome system tool is the way of the devil (as well as not working right)02:07
nevynI don't trust gui tools for crypto02:07
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lanerebelhey all02:07
heliolithnevyn: haha, that's cool, I wish I was more of a commandline kindof guy... how do you create "little scripts"?02:07
dseomnnevyn: would you trust gpg if it had a ncurses interface?02:07
mandanI went to run app and typed in pppconfig... but nothings appearing...02:08
dseomnheliolith: you spend hours combing through "info bash"02:08
popeymandan, "sudo pppconfig"02:08
nevyndseomn: I know it's irrassional. but I don't trust ggpg or whatever it is.02:08
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mandanlol thx Im stupid ha02:08
lanerebelcan anyone help me with an installation problem?02:08
popeylanerebel, ask away02:09
dseomnnevyn: btw, I agree with you, gui apps are larger (in code size) and easier to find exploits for02:09
lanerebelI'm trying to install warty release and the installer is locking up on me once it gets to configuring xserver02:09
mandanwats the defaul pass for root? cause I cant login into root?02:09
nevynheliolith: umm lemme find my signing script.02:09
lanerebelthen when I restart, it locks up after about a minute every time, no matter where I am in the installer02:09
farruinnubhuti rootsudo02:10
ubhutiBy default the root password is disabled in Ubuntu. Instead use `sudo [command] ' (and your user password). If you haven't already, please read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo02:10
nevynlanerebel: I had similar problems with bad hardware.02:10
LinuxJoneslanerebel, sounds like you have a bad cd there02:10
Br34chHow can I tweak the time?02:10
Br34chIt's kinda . . . wrong02:10
dseomnnevyn: it's (theoretically) possible that somebody would make an encrypted file that when decrypted would cause a buf overflow and email your decrypted sec key02:10
William_CainI must say I love the fact that you can just enter the Package Manager and install things you need.02:10
William_CainJust had to say it...02:10
lanerebelI'm installing on a laptop...02:10
popeyBr34ch, date02:10
Br34chMm?02:11
Br34chDate? o.002:11
lanerebelI disabled acpi, thinking that might be it02:11
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heliolithnevyn: ok thanks for looking02:11
nevyndseomn: that'd be a neat exploit02:11
dseomnBr34ch: man date02:11
lanerebelnevyn: what were you installing on?02:11
Br34chI'm a nub, pleas ebe more precise on details02:11
popeytype "date"02:11
popeyor "man date" to read the documentation02:11
LinuxJoneslanerebel, I can't remember when xserver setup takes place. Is your internet connection working during install ?02:12
dseomnBr34ch: open a terminal before typing those02:12
popeysorry, yeah02:12
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Br34chIs there a server that it checks by?02:12
Br34chOr will I have to set it up alone manually?02:12
William_CainI have one last question.02:12
lanerebelyeah, I believe so, although this time I said no to the apt-get update thinking I could do it myself once the installation completes (the first time I tried I said yes)02:12
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farruinnBr34ch: you've tried right-clicking the time applet to change the time?02:12
popeyBr34ch, it can do.. I think ubuntu does that by default at startup02:12
William_CainI have a SATA harddisk I'd like to use, but it's not detected.02:13
dseomnBr34ch: you can use ntpdate e.g "ntpdate -u pool.ntp.org"02:13
popeyWilliam_Cain, unlucky :D02:13
tritiumBr34ch, you can also use "/etc/init.d/ntdpate start"02:13
William_CainYes :(02:13
nevynheliolith: http://pastebin.ca/465302:13
Br34chI had it set at Central at the installation.. it isn't . . . right. Anyways, I'll try that.. thanks02:13
William_CainDoesn't Ubuntu support SATA harddisks?02:13
lanerebelalso, by the time I get to X configuration I'm not using the CD anymore...02:14
dseomnBr34ch: tun "tzsetup" to change your timezone02:14
nevyndseomn: I do use the mutt integration and storage of passphase tho.02:14
dseomnWilliam_Cain: is it on a raid controller?02:14
nevynheliolith: there's my signing script.02:14
HrdwrBoBWilliam_Cain: simple answer is yes02:14
LinuxJoneslanerebel, You could try doing a custom install which will do a basic install. Then download the desktop environment (Gnome and Xserver) from the Ubuntu repositories.02:15
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aToasterI know some of you guys have to have ATI cards, lol =).  Can anyone tell me how the new drivers are with Cedega?02:15
lanerebelLinuxJones: how do I start that?02:15
William_CainYes, it is.02:15
William_CainI have this integrated controller on my Asus A7V8X motherboard.02:16
William_CainIt works like a charm in Windows XP, but not in Ubuntu.02:16
dseomnWilliam_Cain: that's not good, many semi-hardware raid cards aren't supported02:16
LinuxJoneslanerebel, when you begin installation you type custom @ the prompt02:16
lanerebelstarting, thanks... hopefully this will help02:16
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Cinduxwho helped me with the background command02:17
Cindux?02:17
LinuxJoneslanerebel, after the base system is installed apt-get update && apt-get install ubuntu-desktop02:17
heliolithnevyn: you can decline to answer this if i'm too far behind you on the learning curve, but um, how do I make a script work?  Save it as a txt file then call it up in terminal window or something?  Where would I store the key if I used this?  thanks for sharing the script btw, I'll save it for when I can use it02:17
William_CainUhm, ok, but how could I add support for it? I've read about kernel patches, but I don't know how to enter the source files of my system and recompile...02:17
Cindux"sudo mv /home/desktop/Image.jpg /usr/share/backgrounds"02:18
Cinduxcorrect ?02:18
dseomnCindux: that will move the image02:18
Cinduxk just checkin02:18
lanerebelwill do, thanks linuxjones02:18
nevynheliolith: it's probably not terribly useful to you..02:18
Cinduxand cp = copy02:18
LinuxJoneslanerebel, but it sounds like you have a hardware problem in your machine if it is locking up after 5 mins :(02:18
nevynyou save it as a txt file and then make it executable.02:18
dseomnCindux: yeah02:18
Cindux:P02:18
Cinduxexcellento02:18
Cinduxk thanks gonna go move image02:18
heliolithnevyn: by changing the extension to what?02:19
dseomnheliolith: the extension doesn't matter02:19
nevynbut. it assumes some stuff about my setup. in particular that you're using the mail client "mutt" which you're almost certainly not.02:19
lanerebellinuxjones, the livecd works fine, and it runs for the most part... if this doesn't work, I'll try playing around with some of the startup parameters, maybe if I disable pci and usb detection that'll help...:-/02:19
nevynheliolith: by changing permissions. not extensions02:19
heliolithahh lmao i'm clueless... is mutt like pine?  I understand chmod at least02:19
dseomnheliolith: not really, mutt is better02:20
William_CainA funny question: Can I access my files from Windows XP in any way?02:20
LinuxJoneslanerebel, ok GL02:20
nevynheliolith: mutt is a text based mail reader but it's far more featurefull than pine02:20
dseomnWilliam_Cain: there are projects for ext2 support in windows, but they aren't near perfect yet02:20
tritiumWilliam_Cain, read-only ntfs is fairly safe.02:20
LinuxJonesWilliam_Cain, yeah02:20
William_CainI mean the other way.02:20
aToasterCan I install RPM's to Ubuntu?02:20
tritiumWilliam_Cain, my bad02:20
lanerebellinuxjones: thanks, we'll see what happens, I might be asking again soon;)02:21
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dseomnaToaster: if necessary, you can use alien02:21
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William_CainIf I'm in Windows XP and want to listen to my newly downloaded songs.02:21
nevynaToaster: you CAN.. but it's a really bad idea except for certain non-free software.02:21
LinuxJonesWilliam_Cain, >> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/02:21
LinuxJoneslanerebel, sure :D02:21
aToasterI'm trying to install the new ATI drivers, but it seems it only comes in a RPM02:21
heliolithnevyn: so you use mutt with a smtp/pop mail server?02:21
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tritiumaToaster, fglrx is available.  Don't use the RPM02:22
nevynheliolith: no I read mail on my mail server but you can use it with a pop server if you want.02:22
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__aprendiz__hi. I'm reinstalling the system02:22
nevynheliolith: I'd rather use something like fetchmail and a local mta tho02:22
aToastertritium, The repository shows the older version of it02:22
__aprendiz__need to know how to set up firefox 1.0.02:22
heliolithnevyn: if you'd rather use fetchmail why do you use mutt?02:22
dseomn__aprendiz__: it doesn't really need to be "set up" unless you're the maint02:22
tritiumaToaster, oh02:23
dseomnheliolith: fetchmail and mutt can work together02:23
nevynheliolith: fetchmail as you might not be able to tell from the obtuse name.. fetches mail. it doesn't let you view it or read it or anything else..02:23
__aprendiz__ubuntu does not work perfectly out of the box in my system02:23
nevynit just... fetches mail.02:23
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aToasterWant to try to get the new ATI drivers working to try out Cedega, have been holding back because I heard the old ones didn't work with something (either the 2.6 kernel or something) but the new drivers only seem to be in RPM form02:24
__aprendiz__for example 60 refresh rate is a very bad thing I actually need to set up.02:24
dseomnaToaster: install it with alien (like I said before)02:24
nevynheliolith: my mail is actually delivered locally on the system.02:24
dseomn__aprendiz__: that has nothing to do with firefox02:24
aToasterdseomn, alright, will try02:24
heliolithnevyn & dseomn: reading mutt.org and catb.org/~esb/fetchmail to understand more!02:25
tritiumaToaster, good luck.  using alien is rarely the recommended approach02:25
__aprendiz__I need to install firefox, turn it to my native language, install openoffice in my language, set up X to work correctly, install media players that work correctly, and a lot of other little things. I call that a set up; DO you have any problem with that?02:25
LinuxJonesheh02:26
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dseomn__aprendiz__: no, you just asked how to set up ff though, for that you need to install mozilla-firefox-locale-<language-code>02:26
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Kakaltowhat's a good irc client, except irssi, xchat, the GAIM one and chatzilla?02:27
Cinduxyou just named most of them02:27
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dseomnKakalto: telnet?02:27
__aprendiz__yes, but not here. For some reason my language pack is not (is not showed here), in the repositories.02:27
tritiumregeya, what's' your problem?02:27
LinuxJonesKakalto, some people like bitchx02:27
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Kakaltobitchx....02:28
Kakalto*googles*02:28
dseomn__aprendiz__: what language?02:28
nevynheliolith: mail is one of the most complicated things about system administration in my experience02:28
__aprendiz__so it's a quest to get firefox to run here every time (I did it twice)02:28
__aprendiz__brazilian portuguese.02:28
__aprendiz__should be -br02:28
Cinduxif you can't find one you like maybe a java based client would be better?02:28
Cinduxthey usually look better anyways02:28
nevynit's deceptivly simple there's just these whole piles of gotcha's02:28
__aprendiz__last time I got the package from debian repositories, downloaded it and installed it with dpkg02:28
regeyaoh, c'mon, when you tell someone 'using alien is rarely the recommended approach', you need to back it up with what you consider to be THE RIGHT THING TO DO.02:28
tritiumregeya, excuse me for stepping away for 30 seconds02:28
regeyaif you don't, you're just being an ass.02:28
tritiumregeya, No, using alien to install rmps is, in fact, not recommended02:29
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__aprendiz__and before that I needed to get firefox1.0 from some repositorie I don't remember right now.02:29
heliolithnevyn: well, i'm bookmarking mutt & fetchmail for a bit  futher along my linux education.02:29
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tritiumregeya, and I already suggested he use the .debs02:29
heliolith_aprendiz_ I just went to mozilla.org and downloaded firefox 1.0 to a directory in my /home/ folder02:29
Cinduxhttp://www.ircreviews.org/clients/cgi--irc.html02:29
dseomnheliolith: neither of those have much of anything to do with linux02:29
regeyaokeydoke.../me scrolls back.02:30
heliolithdseomn: nor with unix?02:30
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regeyaI see the problem, or the supposed problem.02:30
regeyaeh.02:30
dseomnheliolith: only with posix, pthreads, and *nix fhs02:30
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regeyasorry tritium02:30
heliolithdseomn: ok, lol that just went completely over my head02:30
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CinduxAnyone know if a VIA C3 processor will work with Ubuntu ?02:30
dseomnheliolith: I'll try to explain02:30
tritiumregeya, it's okay.  peace02:31
regeyaLinux leto 2.6.8.1-4-386 #1 Fri Jan 14 11:19:34 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux02:31
regeyawhoops02:31
regeyathta didn't list processor type!02:31
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=== regeya is using a VIA C3, Cindux
heliolithdseomn: This is my first week on ubuntu, after being a fairly good, but never compsci educated windows user. by way of background02:31
__aprendiz__I want to be usable for all users02:32
dseomnheliolith: posix: they need certain C functions to compile/run; pthreads: they need certain multi-threading capabilities; *nix fhs: they won't work with C:\ or :My Disk:02:32
__aprendiz__I talk to you latter.02:32
__aprendiz__nered to do something. Have dinner.02:32
regeyanever trust a Linux distribution that can't run on *all* i686-type systems, Cindux ;-)  It will work fine.02:32
Cinduxhm thanky you :P02:32
Cinduxim excited bout it02:32
Cinduxcheap cheap02:32
Cinduxhttp://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=11433&vpn=IQ3601A%20&manufacture=SOLTEK02:32
Cinduxmy friends brother bought the same one and its surprisingly fast02:33
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dseomnCindux: I started using GNU/Linux b/c of the price, I still use it b/c I love it02:33
dseomnregeya: what about yellow dog?02:33
regeyaCindux: I've noticed the same thing. :-D  If you're not needing to do massive number-crunching, a VIA C3 is still more computer than you need. ;-)02:33
regeyadseomn, o_O02:34
Cinduxlol02:34
CinduxI'm only going to do simple web design / surf the net02:34
Cinduxand of course occasional IRC02:34
Cinduxanyway thanks02:34
dseomnregeya: it only runs on ppc (I think o_O means confused)02:34
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regeyadseomn, never had the pleasure of running linux on ppc *shrug*02:34
regeyaC3 != G302:35
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dseomnregeya: I know, it's just that you said not to trust a distro that doesn't run on all i686, and I trust yello dog02:35
regeyaheh02:35
nevynC3 is via's 686 chip02:35
|rufius|anyone had problems using enigmail with thunderbird on Warty? It keeps telling me that the enigmail service isn't started. Googling hasn't helped much.02:35
nevynfanless.. nice.02:35
nevynsmall.02:35
Cindux:O02:36
regeyadseomn, I think it's your turn to be confused...tangled in the vagaries of english...sorry02:36
Cinduxno fan ?02:36
nevynCindux: 500mhz no fan.02:36
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Cinduxits 1.0ghz ?02:36
nevyn12volt brick powersupply02:36
regeyadseomn, I'm referring to some x86 distributions that wouldn't run on C3s because of CMOV02:36
nevynCindux: I think the 1gig still needs a fan02:36
Cinduxdamnt02:36
Cinduxim onfused s hell02:36
Cinduxare you talking about the one i sent you ?02:36
Cinduxthe link *02:36
Cinduxor your own /02:37
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aToasterhow do I get dpkg to overwrite older files?  I'm trying "sudo dpkg -i fgrlx*.deb" and stops because it can't override a file02:37
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dseomnaToaster: same or different package name?02:38
PlukaToaster, with sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite *.deb02:38
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Plukalso in man dpkg02:38
dseomnPluk: that could cause a lot of problems, aToaster should be careful with that02:39
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mandan_hi I just set up pppconfig... how do I use it to connect to the internet?02:39
Plukdseomn, sure just not with the fglrx package02:39
mandan_and I do hope I set it up correctly cause I have a winmodem and if it doesnt work Ill be forced to use Windows :(02:39
aToasterHas anyone installed the new ATI drivers?  I know I've asked this a bunch already, not trying to be annoying =/02:39
tritiumaToaster, the .deb you're trying to install is new?  or are you reinstalling the same version you have?02:40
Plukalso with some common sense you should feel that a force thingy might be something to be carefull with :)02:40
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Plukbut with fglrx you can do it with no harm02:40
mandan_I just set up pppconfig... how do I use it to connect to the internet? plz help02:40
tritiumaToaster, you could use "apt-get install --reinstall <package.deb." if you're just trying to reinstall02:41
aToastertritium, trying to install the new ATI drivers, which came as a RPM, so I used alien, now it's a deb package02:41
tritiumaToaster, okay02:41
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aToasterPluk, can you tell me how you installed it?02:42
Plukinstalled the deb with --force-overwrite02:42
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Plukah wait02:42
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Plukthat was the old way02:42
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Pluklol02:42
lifelesshmm, latest kernel + acpi has broken my fn-sleep button :p02:43
edgarinHello What is the program to explorer the network with samba?02:43
Pluki just onstalled the fglrx-driver package from ubuntu itself02:43
aToasterahhh, wait! My mistake!  The new drivers are in the repository, its labeled as fglrx-4-3-002:43
lifelessoff to lunch, but if thats a known thing, will be reading scroll back02:43
tritiumaToaster, I thought so ;)02:43
aToasterPluk, I believe the fglrx-driver is the older driver02:43
Plukhad to do it the old way when ati didnt support 2.6.10 yet02:43
aToastertritium, thanks for your help though02:43
tritiumsure02:44
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Pluki use xorg-driver-fglrx cuz im running X.org02:44
Plukdumped it already though cus it doesnt support sleep mode02:44
HaRDaWaYyes, i use xorg-driver-fglrx and run nice with x.org02:45
HaRDaWaY(i am in hoary)02:45
HaRDaWaYwith kernel 2.6.10-202:45
Plukuse sleep a lot because im on a laptop02:45
Plukhopefully they will implement proper acpi someday in the fglrx driver02:46
danielsha ha ha ha02:46
Pluk:)02:46
Plukprolly not02:46
Plukwell maybe when im dead02:46
Pluk--;02:46
Plukthe X.org ati driver also supports DynamicClocks, gputhrottling... gives me another 20-30 minutes on my battery02:49
Plukfglrx doesnt do that too02:49
Plukwell enough ranting :)02:50
Plukits good they supper xorg now:)02:51
Pluksupport*02:51
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Plukhmm nice02:53
mindphasrany equalizer for any mp3 players other than xmms and amarok?02:54
Plukjust heard some gossip that there are fglrx acpi-devel drivers floating around which might support hardware opengl and S302:54
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Pluknot public yet though02:54
geesus-workI love it when I join an IRC chan for the first time and the topic looks like it can answer my questions :)02:55
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tritiumgeesus-work, :)02:56
billytwowillyis there any place to view proposed package additions to ubuntu? ie. How would I find out if anyone is working on packaging gnomebaker and network manager02:56
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robertjwhcih question did it answer ;)02:57
DAC1138has anyone in here built a custom kernel with ubuntu?02:57
tritiumbillytwowilly, network manager is already packaged by someone02:57
PlukDAC1138, i did02:57
billytwowillytritium, It's not in hoary.. atleast I didn't see it when I searched it;)02:57
DAC1138Pluk, how did you do it? so far both of the ones ive built havent booted02:57
robertjDAC: why you rebuildin'02:57
Plukonly with the kernel-sources from www.kernel.org though02:57
tritiumbillytwowilly, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetworkManager02:57
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DAC1138Pluk, i used a good config setting, i built it right, its something inside ubuntu not letting it boot02:58
crypticreigni upgraded to hoary, now X wont start (Nvidia)02:58
tritiumbillytwowilly, right, not in hoary, but in Thom's personal repository02:58
PlukDAC1138, you updated grub?02:58
DAC1138robertj, because i want some custom settings02:58
robertjDAC: for what?02:58
DAC1138Pluk, i updated the menu, yeah. ive built kernels before02:58
DAC1138robertj, i have my reasons, its a long story02:58
billytwowillytritium, nifty, thanks02:59
Plukwhats the error msg?02:59
tritiumbillytwowilly, sure ;)02:59
billytwowillytritium, any idea when it will be in the actual distro though?02:59
robertjDAC: did you start with the default kernel source package nad use dpkg-buildpackage02:59
tritiumbillytwowilly, that I don't know.02:59
robertjerr default ubuntu srcs rather02:59
Plukjust a kernel-panic?02:59
tritiumcrypticreign, are you running x.org for the first time?02:59
ajmitchDAC1138: initrd missing?03:00
DAC1138i downloaded the default kernel source for ubuntu, thats it, i didnt do the dpkg-buildpackage thing03:00
jesuelman dsl is getting cheap03:00
jesuel22 bucks a month :)03:00
DAC1138Pluk, yeah, it was a kernel panic03:00
DAC1138Pluk, it was able to mount the root fs because i had reiserfs built-in03:00
DAC1138ajmitch, no, not a missing initrd03:00
robertjdac: ok, try it with dpkg-buildpackage03:01
DAC1138what will that do?03:01
tritiumbillytwowilly, considering that Thom is a canonical employee, chances may be good03:01
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Pluki always built the oldfashioned way03:01
crypticreigntritium: yes03:01
DAC1138what will dpkg-buildpackage do?03:01
robertjDAC: it builds the kernel and packages it as a .deb that can be installed with dpkg -i03:01
billytwowillytritium, they should be good, it looks like an awesome hunk of software;)03:02
robertjit will also work off of Ubuntu's source mods03:02
tritiumcrypticreign, is it using "nvidia" or "nv" driver right now?03:02
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crypticreigntritium: nvidia03:02
DAC1138hmmm. why would i want to do that?03:02
robertjthey are applied to the vanilla sources during the build03:02
nevynhrm03:02
DAC1138i already have a kernel built and everything, i just need to get it to boot, but something inside ubuntu wont let it03:02
robertjyou can supply your patches, your config and work with ubuntus config and build packages and that way if you go to install something that will break because of your custom kernel it will tell you03:02
robertjdid you use --initrd?03:03
DAC1138whats "--initrd" ?03:03
robertjmagic03:03
DAC1138whenever i build a custom kernel before, i never made a new initrd, and they all worked perfectly03:03
robertjit's just the first thing I would try03:04
Plukif you want to use initrd youre supposed to make a new initrd everytime you make a new kernel03:04
robertjdpkg-buildpackage does it automagically03:04
tritiumcrypticreign, do your nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common versions match?03:04
DAC1138i dont even know how to make an initrd, and the manpages dont tell me anything useful03:04
robertjit's much better to use dpkg-buildpackage though03:04
crypticreigntritium: what dpkg parameter is that to check?03:05
robertjit will make your life much easier during upgrades03:05
tritiumcrypticreign, you can use "dpkg -l | grep nvidia"03:05
tritiumrobertj, what about kernel-package?03:05
robertjyou will go to install a new program which will need an updated hal and it will say "I need a new kernel" and instead of download the latest kernel and isntalling it it will tell you03:05
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robertjtritium: that's invoked by the buildpackage AFAIK03:05
tritiumrobertj, oh, I thought it was the other way around03:06
tritiumbut I defer to you on that03:06
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crypticreigntritium: nvidia-glx 1.0.6629-0ubuntu, nvidia-kernel-common 1.0.6629+103:06
tritiumcrypticreign, okay.  were you using nvidia on Warty?03:07
crypticreignyes03:07
tritiumdid you run nvidia-glx-config?03:07
robertjwell the autobuilders build the kernel with dpkg-buildpackage so, it's got to work03:07
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crypticreigntritium: nviaida-glx-config enable.. then reboot?03:08
tritiumrobertj, good point03:08
DAC1138thats BS, i shouldnt need that dpkg shit to build a custom kernel....03:08
Buuyo^DAC1138 why not?03:08
DAC1138ive built kernels on tons of distros, and this is the only one ive had a problem with03:08
robertjDAC: use --initrd03:08
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PlukDAC1138, you dont need it but i might be handy03:08
Buuyo^You want EVERYTHING to be handled the package system, don't you?03:08
Buuyo^It's dumb otherwise.03:08
socommDAC1138: You don't need dpkg to build a custom kernel.03:08
DAC1138robertj maybe if i could figure out how to use --initrd, i would03:08
tritiumcrypticreign, that might work.  Only other thing I can think of is to make sure you have restricted-modules that match your kernel03:08
robertjmake-kpkg --initrd I believe03:08
crypticreigntritium: it doesnt work :/03:08
tritiumthat was fast.03:08
tritiumsee my last message.03:09
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Buuyo^mmm massage03:09
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robertjbut realize BYO kernel is passe03:09
Plukunless you want to test kernels03:09
Buuyo^passe is so complex for us 14 year olds.03:09
Buuyo^Small words please. :)03:09
Plukbugtest03:09
robertjPluk: they don't package those?03:09
socommYes cus prebuilt kernels are 1337.03:09
socomm:^/03:10
DAC1138robertj "make-kpkg --initrd" ?03:10
robertjI think, I haven't built one in a while03:10
DAC1138robertj or "make-dpkg --initrd" ?03:10
tritiummake-kpkg03:10
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DAC1138"make-kpkg: command not found"03:10
tritiumcrypticreign, do your restricted-modules match your kernel?03:11
lanerebellinuxjones: installation is complete, but it only works in recovery mode and I have to manually start x windows...03:11
socommDAC1138: Just build your kernel like you usually would and cp bzImage and System.map to /boot edit your /boot/menu.lst to include an entry for your new kernel.03:11
robertjapt-get intall kernel-package03:11
crypticreigntritium: what is restricted-modules?03:11
lanerebellinuxjones: in regular mode it still locks up03:11
DAC1138socomm, did that, and it wont boot. has a kernel panic03:11
tritiumsocomm, that's not the recommended way03:11
socommtritium: Works for me.03:11
tritiumcrypticreign, it contains the nvidia kernel module03:11
Plukand if you dont want to use initrd make sure your fs and your HD controller/chipset is statically03:12
crypticreigntritium: is that a package?03:12
tritiumsocomm, works, but is not recommended.  Your kernel is not managed by the package management system03:12
DAC1138tritium, same here, always worked for me03:12
socommDAC1138: What's the error you get, you may want to disable the kernel automounter.03:12
tritiumDAC1138, sure, it works.  That's not the point.03:12
DAC1138socomm, cant remember, it was long and complex. said it cant load a bunch of stuff03:12
robertjPluk: or better yet, start with the stock config and change only what you need03:12
tritiumcrypticreign, yes03:12
Plukindeed robertj actually thats what i wanted to say :)03:13
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tritiumcrypticreign, "dpkg -l | grep linux" and look for linux-restricted-modules03:13
socommtritium: Yeah ...... but it's not like I really expected it to be supported.03:13
crypticreigntritium: yes i do03:13
socommDAC1138: I get alot of "FATAL:" warnings but nothing serious. Try disabling stuff in your /etc/init.d03:14
tritiumcrypticreign, "lsmod | grep nvidia"03:14
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socommDAC1138: Of course only do this if you got an idea of what you're doing.03:14
DAC1138socomm, this isnt a FATAL error, this is a kernel panic. not even 5 seconds into the boot process and it panics03:14
tritiumcrypticreign, is "nvidia" listed in /etc/modules?03:14
crypticreigntritium: yes, the nvidia module is loaded03:14
crypticreigntritium: yes it is listed03:15
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tritiumcrypticreign, it should be working.  Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log03:15
socommDAC1138: I've got that before. Can't really help you unless you wrote down the error though.03:15
DAC1138ill reboot and get it03:15
socommDAC1138: Okay.03:16
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lanerebelhey, can anyone tell me what the difference is between regular and recovery modes?03:16
ThreeShotCan I say something to the developers of Ubuntu or are they here ATM?03:17
socommrecovery mode is single user mode, regular mode is multiple user mode.03:17
jdz_hi!  I have an odd display resolution issue.  When GDM comes up, it is 800x600, as it should be.  However, when I log in, it lowers itself to 640x480.  I can change it back up to 800x600 through gnome-display-properties.  Any ideas why it lowers itself to 640x480 apon logging in?  I'm running Hoary.03:17
tritiumlanerebel, recovery mode is single-user mode, when root needs to fix stuff03:17
lanerebelso, would it be bad to always use recovery mode?  my installation doesn't work in regular...03:17
tritiumyou won't get X in single-user mode03:18
tritiumand it's not multi-user03:18
lanerebelit actually works, I just have to reset the path variable03:18
socommlanerebel: Security wise it's not adviceable.03:18
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smogger911can someone tell me how to install gnome mud03:18
tritiumlanerebel, what happens when you boot into "normal" mode?03:18
lanerebelhmm...03:18
ThreeShotwell I'll say what I wanted to say and hope the devs hear me.  Thank You for the best linux distro I've ever tried...and I've tried about 50 of them.03:18
socommlanerebel: That be like running Win98.03:18
smogger911xan someone help me install gnome mud03:19
crypticreigntritium: i disabled dri and now it works03:19
socommThreeShot: Try the ubuntu-dev mailing list.03:19
ThreeShotk, thanks.  will do.03:19
tritiumcrypticreign, did you find the error in the logs?03:19
lanerebeltritium: it locks up as soon as it starts gdm, although it's not just due to gdm, because when I did a custom install and booted into regular mode, it locked up after attempting to configure x windows03:19
tritiumlanerebel, what video card?03:20
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socommlanerebel: X works in single user mode?03:20
Br34chUhm, my . . . "sound" isn't working . . . any hints on what I should begin to do?03:20
socommBr34ch: Scream and shout.03:20
crypticreigntritium: yes.. __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extenstions/libdri.a is unresolved03:20
Br34chI'm already doing that. What now?03:20
tritiumcrypticreign, I'm glad you found it :)03:21
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DAC1138got the error03:21
crypticreigntritium: me too, thank you03:21
tritiumsure thing03:21
tuxanyone use the 'terminal server client' under Applications>Internet ?03:21
socommDAC1138: Just paste it from your piece of paper to the screen. :^)03:21
tritiumtux, yeah, I do03:21
lanerebeltritium: Intel i830... isn't that one that 2.6 has problems with?03:21
tuxhow does one enable the ICA protocol thats not applicable ?03:21
tritiumlanerebel, I'm not sure about that.03:21
DAC1138first, it lists a bunch of different modules, with the error "module xxxx does not exist in /proc/modules"03:21
lanerebelsocomm: yeah, just sudo export PATH=${PATH}:/usr/bin/X11R6/bin03:21
DAC1138then "pivot_root: no such file or directory"03:22
lanerebeltritium: it's a thinkpad, IBM laptop...03:22
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DAC1138then "/sbin/init: 429: cannot open /dev/console: no such file03:22
lanerebelsocomm: actually, take out the sudo;)03:22
smogger911does anyone know anything about how to get gnome apps03:22
DAC1138"kernel panic: attempted to kill init!"03:22
DAC1138end error message03:22
ThreeShotlanerebel, no, I have a computer, an old 733MHz P3, with the i810 graphics, and it's the same code as the i830 if I'm not mistaken.  and I have no issues with it.03:22
PlukDAC1138, sure you installed the kernel modules?03:22
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socommDAC1138: Did you enable TMPFS?03:22
crypticreigntritium: had to diable glx too03:23
crypticreign*disable03:23
DAC1138Pluk, 110% sure03:23
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tritiumtux, good question03:23
smogger911can someone tell me how to install gnome03:23
tritiumcrypticreign, yeah, you sure do03:23
Pluk110% is good :)03:23
socommDAC1138: "make modules && make modules_install"?03:23
DAC1138socomm, i used the default ubuntu kernel config as my starting "template" to configure my kernel, so im sure it is enabled03:23
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DAC1138socomm, yeah, did that03:23
smogger911how do u get the list of website that it can update from03:23
lanerebelThreeShot: I'm using an old HP Pavilion right now (PIII 1GHz) with i810 and I couldn't get X to run until I put in an even older VooDoo 3 card03:23
tritiumtux, I don't know the answer to that03:24
smogger911through the terminal03:24
neighborleeI only have one kernel thats booting atm which is 2.6.10..all other ones complain about wrong versions of nvidia kernel module vs x module ( one says its 6111 yet other one is 6629..which is damm odd consdiering I'm positive 6629 is installed) ?????03:24
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socommneighborlee: You'll have to reinstall the nvidia drivers for new kernels.03:24
tritiumsmogger911, "apt-cache search program-name" to search for the program you want03:24
tuxtritium, ok03:24
ThreeShotlanerebel, all I know is what i've done myself.  neither 2.4 series nor 2.6 series has trouble with an i810 chipset.  I know because when I used fedora I started with the 2.4 kernel then upgraded to 2.6 and neither had issues.03:25
DAC1138so im taking it the error message i provided doesnt give any clues as to why ubuntu screwed the thing up?03:25
neighborleesocomm, no im saying the'new' kernel ie: 2.6.10 boots fine..my old one refuses to as it finds two differtent versions of nvidia packages03:25
socommDAC1138: If I had to guess I'd say somethings up with your /dev fs03:25
tritiumneighborlee, just make sure you have linux-restricted-modules to match your kernel whenever you upgrade your kernel03:25
PlukDAC1138, do you have your chipset statically?03:26
lanerebelThreeShot: hmm... oh well... not important now;)... I just wish I could figure out how to get Ubuntu to work right on my laptop03:26
DAC1138Pluk, CPU chipset?03:26
socommDAC1138: The kernel can't find /dev/console so something is screwy in the way your dev file system is mapped out.03:26
Pluknorthbridge03:26
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Plukpossibly it cant acces the HD cuz it doesnt know how to03:27
tritiumneighborlee, you probably don't have restricted-modules installed for the older kernels.  did you just start using the nvidia drivers with 2.6.10?03:27
DAC1138could it be the system.map?03:27
DAC1138i didnt copy the system.map to /boot03:27
socommDAC1138: Try that.03:27
Plukthat could be it also :)03:27
neighborleetritium, nope03:27
DAC1138just cp system.map /boot?03:27
socommDAC1138: Yah.03:27
neighborleetritium, I used them with 2.6.8.1-2-386 as well03:27
DAC1138brb03:27
tritiumneighborlee, you don't have to reinstall nvidia drivers all the time03:28
neighborleetritium,accordoing to apt I have both 2.6.8.1-3-686 and its appropraite LRM installed..yet startx fails with that kernel ;(03:28
Plukeeuh03:28
socommneighborlee: I always install nvidia by hand the deb's are too screwy for my liking.03:28
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Plukshouldnt it be cp System/map /boot/System.map-2.6.xxx03:29
socomms/nvidia/nvidia video drivers03:29
tritiumthe .debs always work perfectly for me03:29
neighborleetritium, I have 6629 but i'm getting some odd cpu spikes that I suspect maybe caused by 2.6.10 kernel..so I wanted to go back to older one for a bit and see...but startx refuses due to nvidia issuwes03:29
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tritiumneighborlee, what did /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?03:29
luislxhello, does anyone knows why i can't power off my laptop? always reboot03:29
neighborleesocomm, i've tried that too but I had trouble earlier..I could try again I suppose shrug03:29
socommneighborlee: Well if it didn't work once ....03:29
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neighborleesocomm, yeah I know but ..at this point what else remains ;(03:30
neighborleetritium, ill check03:30
socommneighborlee: Okay.03:30
tritiumneighborlee, check your logs.  Using the .debs should be painless03:30
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grepperif I use grub from hoary on warty, should I be able to have a boot splash ?03:30
tritiumgrepper, yes03:31
grepperI tried following this guys suggestions and it didn't work03:31
grepperhttp://sleepybuddha.sl.funpic.de/ubuntu/03:31
tritiumgrepper, did you update-grub after you placed your image?03:31
socommgrepper: warty's grub can do splash.03:31
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grepperhm03:31
tritiumgrepper, update-grub will tell you if it found the splash image03:31
grepperI just got a mesh behind which I could still see the messages03:31
socommgrepper: Check ubuntu's wiki, there's a walkthrough there.03:31
grepperyeah, read it03:31
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DAC1138copying system.map didnt work03:32
socommDAC1138: Success!03:32
luislxhello, does anyone knows why i can't power off my laptop? always reboot03:32
socommDAC1138: Doh!03:32
LinuxJonesnight all03:32
socommluislx: No.03:32
PlukDAC1138, shouldnt it be cp System.map /boot/System.map-2.6.xxx03:32
neighborleetritium, no errors exist in that log file03:32
CLucas916does anyone know why when i try to compile a program...when i run the configure script it says cpp:fails sanity check03:32
scoonanyone have any idea where i could find a dual amd barton core mobo ?03:33
socommPluk: `cp System.map arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot' works fine for me.03:33
tritiumgrepper, did you make sure that it's a 14-color XPM that is gzipped03:33
neighborleetritium, anyway i'm still using warty ie: xfree8603:33
socommCLucas916: Do you have c++ installed?03:33
DAC1138any other ideas before i reboot and try this one last thing?03:33
tritiumneighborlee, so you checked the appropriate log file, I presume?03:33
socommDAC1138: I'd double check if you got tmpfs installed.03:33
CLucas916socomm, what would the pakage be called in apt?03:34
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tritiumneighborlee, 2.6.10 isn't in Warty03:34
DAC1138where would i find that at?03:34
socommDAC1138: That's just me though I'm super redundant.03:34
DAC1138the tmpfs?03:34
jesuelexit03:34
luislxcan anyone help me? i'm having troubles with my laptop. when i want to power off, just reboots.03:34
neighborleetritium, yes of course <MG>03:34
socommDAC1138: Under File system support, it should be the psuedo file systems03:34
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socommCLucas916: Use synaptic if you got X gong otherwise try installing libstdc++03:35
Plukbrb lets see if 2.6.11-rc2 works03:35
tritiumneighborlee, so how did you install restricted-modules for a kernel that's not in Warty?03:35
neighborleetritium, yeah I wanted to try newest nvidia so I just used hoary momentarily ...is this causing problems meaning its not written for xfree86 ?03:35
socomms/gong/going03:35
jdubneighborlee: don't mix repos!03:35
tritiumneighborlee, hoary uses Xorg03:35
neighborleeyes i know03:36
DAC1138i dont see anything with tmpfs in psuedo03:36
tritiumneighborlee, did you dist-upgrade?03:36
DAC1138turn off automounter support?03:36
neighborleeI was having problems with a game and had hoped to try new nvidia without going to extreme of upgrading entire system to hoary03:36
neighborleetritium, no03:36
socommDAC1138: I do, though dunno if that'll help your case.03:36
tritiumneighborlee, I wish you had told me this earlier...03:36
neighborleetritium, I jus changed sources and upgraded nvidia ;-)03:36
neighborleetritium, alas I did not know 2.6.10 was only in hoary but....anyway03:37
socommDAC1138: It's under Virtual Memory file system.03:37
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CLucas916socomm, i installed it but it didnt help03:37
CLucas916same error03:37
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DAC1138yeah, it was checked by default03:38
socommDAC1138: File System -> Psuedo filesystems -> Virtual Memory File System -> tmpfs03:38
hacimwhenever I play a movie on my thinkpad x40, the video is all washed out, like the contrast is too high or something.... same movie on a desktop system looks normal03:38
tritiumneighborlee, as jdub says, don't mix repos03:38
socommDAC1138: Oh all right.03:38
tritiumneighborlee, I don't know what state your system is in.  It's hard to help you in that case.03:38
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socommCLucas916: Type "c++" in a console what's the output you get?03:38
Cinduxsudo mv /home/desktop/bg1.jpg /usr/shared/backgrounds03:38
Cinduxdamnt03:38
CLucas916socomm, command not found03:38
DAC1138could it possibly the ubuntu kernel? should i try a vanilla kernel?03:39
neighborleetritium, as I say all I did was upgrade nvidia from hoary to avoid having to get entire upgrade 'to' hoary...somone here suggested I do it and well I took advise thinking it would be okay....sigh live andlearn I suppoose03:39
socommCLucas916: Yeah you don't have a C++ compiler installed.03:39
DAC1138i dont know, ill reboot and try this, brb03:39
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CLucas916k03:39
CLucas916what do i install03:39
socommDAC1138: Yes http://www.kernel.org03:39
Cinduxdoes Ubuntu come with any programming tools ?03:39
tritiumneighborlee, which package did you upgrade?03:39
neighborleetritium, I blame no one I mean...stuff happens..I will try to reverse03:39
Cinduxi need to dl a compiler to03:39
tritiumCindux, tons!03:39
neighborleetritium, nvidia-glx03:39
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Cindux?03:39
greppertritium: I just got the one off the site: http://sleepybuddha.sl.funpic.de/ubuntu/03:39
CinduxI went through the menus and saw nothing ?03:39
socommCLucas916: apt-get install cpp03:40
grepperubuntu_dance.xpm.gz03:40
Cinduxexcept for the text editor that highlights C++ syntax03:40
neighborleetritium, and it gave me 2.6.10 during that...plus it made my menu.lst really odd and the older kernel ( defauilt installed with ubuntu) 2.6.8 no longer will boot03:40
tritiumgrepper, okay.  What did update-grub report?03:40
CLucas916socomm, its installed03:40
grepperno splash image found03:40
socommCindux: No, no dev tools by default.03:40
Cinduxoh03:40
grepper /boot is a seperate partition, not sure I"m using the correct syntax03:40
CinduxWell what would I need besides a compiler?03:40
socommCLucas916: Try the command g++.03:41
tritiumgrepper, where did you put it?03:41
socommCindux: The auto tools.03:41
CLucas916socomm, not found03:41
jdubCindux: install build-essential03:41
socommCindux: You know autoconf, automake, aclocal, etc ....03:41
greppertritium: /boot/images/03:41
grepperer03:41
grepper/boot/grub/images03:41
socommCLucas916: Doesn't seem like you got the c++ compiler installed.03:41
Cinduxah03:42
Cinduxok thanks03:42
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DAC1138nope :-(03:42
DAC1138wtf is up with ubuntu?03:42
socommDAC1138: Use a vanilla kernel, http://www.kernel.org.03:42
tritiumgrepper, do you have something like "splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/images/splash.xpm.gz"?03:42
tritiumin /boot/grub/menu.lst?03:42
socommI don't even bother with the stock kernels.03:42
grepperif boot is a seperate partition (hda3) , should it be:    splashimage (hd0,2)/grub/images/ubuntu_dance.xpm.gz  ?03:42
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tritiumyes03:42
grepperdidn't work :)03:43
tritiumwith an "="03:43
socommCLucas916: Actuall cpp is the C Preprocessor.03:43
grepperah03:43
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jdubDAC1138: what do you need to build your own kernel for?03:43
grepperdidn't say that on the site03:43
smogger911can someone help me install gnome mud03:43
socommCLucas916: try the build-essentials.03:43
tritiumsmogger911, what is mud?03:43
DAC1138jdub, because i do, that should be reason enough03:43
smogger911it a program to play telenet games03:43
Cinduxcan anyone tell me what sudo actually means ?03:44
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DAC1138jdub, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/18/2004/02/3/11831103:44
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tritiumsmogger911, did you search for it like I showed you?03:44
smogger911what03:44
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tritiumsmogger911, "apt-cache search mud | grep gnome"03:44
smogger911i had it but then i had to reinatall the whole system b/c i installed to many unneccesary things03:45
jdubDAC1138: there are a lot of stupid reasons for building kernels. :)03:45
tritiumsmogger911, that command will reveal that "gnome-mud" is available03:45
socommDAC1138: My i81* didn't work with Ubuntu, I switched to FreeBSD and it worked like a charm.03:45
socommDAC1138: Have you tried upgrading or downgrading your Bios?03:45
socomms/Bios/BIOS03:45
DAC1138cant, its a laptop.03:45
socommDAC1138: Dell?03:45
jdubdaniels: ping03:45
Cinduxso the other day im walking down  the street03:46
Cinduxand one guy says, what does "sudo" mwan03:46
Cinduxmean*03:46
tritiumsmogger911, did you get my messages?03:46
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DAC1138gateway03:46
DAC1138its *ALL* in that link03:46
socommCindux: Run `man sudo' in a terminal.03:46
smogger911i doesnt do anything03:46
DAC1138all, my research links, my software links, driver links, its a blog basically03:46
Cinduxbah im on my windows machine right now03:46
tritiumsmogger911, yes it does03:46
jdubno probs with my i855 display here03:46
Cinduxconverting a bunch of mp3s to ogg03:46
Cinduxi'll do it later03:46
Cinduxthanks03:46
smogger911max@ubuntu:~ $ apt-cache search mud | grep gnome03:47
socommDAC1138: All right, I had a Dell with that problem I had to downgrade the BIOS and switch to a FreeBSD.03:47
smogger911nothing happened03:47
grepperok, I gunzipped it to take a look:  $ identify ubuntu_dance.xpm \   ubuntu_dance.xpm XPM 640x480 PseudoClass 14c 302kb 1.030u 0:0303:47
tritiumsmogger911, then you don't have universe enabled03:47
socommDAC1138: Not saying you should do that just a thought.03:47
smogger911how do u do that03:47
tritiumsmogger911, or you didn't hit return ;)03:47
jdub0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)03:47
smogger911i hit return03:47
smogger911how do enable universe03:47
jdub0000:00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)03:47
jdubworks with warty and hoary, no special configuration required03:47
DAC1138i would try FreeBSD< but form my experience with BSD users, their' @$$ holes (sorry for the lingo)03:47
tritiumsmogger911, do you prefer to use Synaptic Package Manager (gui) to install packages?03:47
smogger911yes03:48
jdubDAC1138: that's unnecessary here.03:48
smogger911gui better03:48
tritiumsmogger911, open it up03:48
smogger911how03:48
socommDAC1138: Try compiling a vanilla kernel.03:48
DAC1138socomm, trying it now, im configuring it03:48
jdubDAC1138: why do you think you need to build a kernel to get your display working?03:48
socommDAC1138: Okay, good luck.03:48
tritiumsmogger911, it's in your menu.  I can't remember where it is in Warty.03:48
tritiumIt's in a different menu location in Hoary.03:48
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DAC1138laptops dont have PCI, do they?03:48
DAC1138PCI are those big cards for pcs03:49
smogger911i found it03:49
tritiumsmogger911, okay.03:49
jdubDAC1138: modern pcs are all based around pci, be they desktops or laptops.03:49
DAC1138jdub, its all in the link i posted03:49
jdubDAC1138: i've read the link. i have the same hardware (video, not laptop).03:49
DAC1138jdub, the xserver has a special driver which needs the kernel source for the current running kernel. the one i downloaded didnt work...so im building a new kernel03:49
tritiumsmogger911, go to "Settings->Repositories"03:49
jdubthere's nothing there that indicates to me that you need to build a kernel03:49
smogger911k03:50
PlukDAC1138, you could try to upgrade to hoary and use X.org instead of XF8603:50
jdubwarty supports this hardware03:50
Plukive read that X.org might support i830 better03:50
smogger911then click all of them03:50
socommDAC1138: Xorg 6.8.1 and above support i81* chips.03:50
danielsjdub: pong03:50
tritiumsmogger911, you'll need to look for the line where universe is, and make sure it's enabled03:51
DAC1138X.org doesnt work either, its been suggested.03:51
jdubdaniels: i855 problem DAC1138 is having - looks like the same hardware as me03:51
smogger911k03:51
tritiumDAC1138, jdub and daniels are _the_ men to be listening to right now03:51
smwhat's the quickest and surest way to check if opengl acceleration is enabled ?03:51
DAC1138crashmeister on that forum had the same hardware too, his worked fine....its a gateway bios bug03:51
Pluksm  glxinfo03:51
jdubsm: glxinfo | grep renderer03:51
Plukif it states in the top direct redering: yes then your ok03:52
smperfect, thanks03:52
smdarn, Mesa GLX Indirect03:52
danielsDAC1138: when did you try X.Org?03:52
danielsDAC1138: the packages that have been on the Hoary live CDs for the last couple of days might be a lot more useful in terms of support03:52
DAC1138i think it was with vector 5.0, i think that was using x.org03:52
smI had it working on this i845 before03:52
DAC1138also, i think clusterknoppix was using x.org, and i tested knoppix here03:53
danielsDAC1138: i strongly suggest you try the hoary live cd, which should have these sorts of problems fixed in the last couple of days03:53
danielsDAC1138: (our X.org packages are a lot more up to date than Knoppix)03:53
DAC1138im not sure, but is mdk 10.1 using x.org? because i just got off using mdk 10.103:53
DAC1138im checking out hoary now03:54
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DAC1138is it avail. to download?03:55
jdubcdimage.ubuntu.com03:55
jdubsee daily and daily-live03:55
DAC1138thanks for the link03:56
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lanerebelhow can I get into an app that asks for root password?  isn't that disabled?03:56
tritiumlanerebel, are you sure it's not asking for your password?03:56
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lanerebeltritium: yes, I tried that already...03:57
tritiumlanerebel, which app?03:57
DAC1138im still going to finish configuring this kernel, just for the sake of having a config file i can use in the future03:57
lanerebeltritium: Under Network Tools I clicked configure on one of my ethernet cards (trying to get my wireless card configured)03:57
DAC1138so you guys really think x.org should work?03:57
DAC1138OH yeah, and the gentoo version i tried had x.org (vida linux) but i dont think it was very up-to-date03:58
danielsDAC1138: i think it's definitely worth a shot -- I've taken some much improved i8xx support from CVS in the last couple of days that should fix these sorts of problems03:58
Cinduxanyone know where to pick up a cheap 20gb HDD03:58
CinduxOnline *03:58
Cinduxused/new doesn't matter03:58
danielsif it doesn't work, I'd be very interested in grabbing your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log and trying to work it out03:58
tritiumlanerebel, "Please enter your password" that need your user password03:59
lanerebeltritium: It says please enter root password, I tried mine first03:59
DAC1138alrighty, thanks, ill give it a shot03:59
DAC1138so hoary stable will be out next month?03:59
tritiumApril04:00
danielsDAC1138: yep, but you can try the Hoary live CD now if you like04:00
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tritiumlanerebel, that's not supposed to be the case04:01
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lanerebeltritium: I figured that... I'll search on bugzilla...04:01
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lyywow, i went to buy a mac mini and they were sold out yesterday in like 1 hour after it opened04:03
tritiumlanerebel, system configuration programs like that are supposed to ask for the user password.  The first user created during install has priveleges to run those apps.04:03
Cinduxum04:03
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tritiumlyy, I was shocked to see that Target is going to carry the mac mini.04:03
CinduxCan we change the login screen for ubuntu04:03
Cinduxwith our own image ?04:03
lyytritium: i went to target. they don't have it there. probably only a network thing04:04
tritiumgrepper, did you get your grub splash image working?04:04
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greppertritium: nope, I'm ready to give up, I've run update-grub about 20 times ;)04:04
tritiumCindux, for what?04:04
Cinduxlol mouse slipped downward04:04
Cindux:04:04
ZotnixHeh, mIRC04:05
Cinduxlol04:05
ZotnixRemember using it when I used Windows04:05
CinduxI'm still backing up data & audio from this windows machine04:05
Cindux80gb drive so its gunna be awhile :904:05
Cinduxanyway ill be on later04:05
tritiumgrepper, what if you try placing it in /boot/grub directory directly?  I did that, and ran update-grub, without even having to edit menu.lst, and it found it04:06
lanerebeltritium: I got it... I ran sudo passwd to set the root password and am using that...04:07
greppertritium: I tried that already04:07
tritiumgrepper, that's odd04:08
greppersearching for splash image - none found , skipping . . .04:08
tritiumgrepper, wait /dev/hda3 is mounted on /boot04:08
tritium?04:08
grepperyep04:09
tritiumdid you try taking out /boot from the path?04:09
grepperyep04:09
greppertried it like the kernels as well04:09
grepper /vmlinuz-foo04:09
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tritiumI seem to remember grub doing weird things like using "/boot/boot/grub" when /boot is on a separate partition04:10
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neighborleewould someone mind terribly doing test for me so I know if i'm looking at reinstall or not ;(shrug:(....loadup gnome monitor and view the 'resource monitor ' tab and tell me where cpu useage seems to settle at ??04:12
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greppertritium: yeah, I saw a post about that, tried that too04:12
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grepperI'll try setting groot04:13
tritiumgrepper, you seem to have tried it all.  sorry I can't help you figure it out04:13
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kentneighborlee, is yours to high, or?  mine is at 20-40 % right now, but im having 8 bittorrent downloads with bittornade running (and other applications such as epiphany, xchat, gaim etc).04:15
freemandaanyone up on vsftpd04:15
grepperok tritium thanks anyway - this machine is a gift for my 9 yr old nephew and I'm trying to spare him the boot messages04:15
robertj_grepper: aren't usplash repos supposed to be online this week?04:15
tritiumgrepper, that's nice of you.  Good luck04:15
grepperrobertj: dunno04:15
greppertritium: thanks :)04:15
neighborleekent, my settles in at about 25%....with only xchat and gnome terminal running along with gnome monitor04:15
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kentneighborlee, and you are sure you have not set gnome monitor to update every 0.5 seconds or something? otherwise it seems like a to high figure :(04:16
neighborleekent, nope i've not changed any settings there04:17
kentneighborlee, what process is taking so much?04:17
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neighborleekent, wish I knew04:17
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farruinnwhat do I need to use java applets in firefox?04:18
tritiumneighborlee, check the processes tab04:18
tritiumclick on PU to sort04:18
tritium\% CPU04:18
kentneighborlee, change to show all processes, and then you should have a columns for % of cpu in the list. (hopefully, i am running Hoary the unstable branch of Ubuntu so it might have changed)04:19
jdz_farruinn: a java virtual machive04:19
farruinnjdz_: is that available in the ubuntu repos?04:19
png`buyuk`hazinewhatis the latest release?04:19
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jdubpng`buyuk`hazine: warty warthog, 4.1004:20
kentpng`buyuk`hazine, Warty (if you are talking about ubuntu linux..)04:20
jdz_farruinn: no, it's not, sadly.  check out http://ubuntuguide.org - there are instructions there.04:20
png`buyuk`hazineUbuntu Linux 5.04 Array 3? it that test ?04:20
tritiumjdub, usplash repos are available this week, is that right?04:21
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freemandaany u guys up vsftp04:21
kentif there was usplash repos out there, i would even reboot once in a while just to se some graphical magic on booting. :)04:21
diemanahhh04:22
diemanmy opteron died over the weekend :|04:22
jdubtritium: no idea.04:22
jdz_kent: me too.  I can't wait to usplash! :D04:22
jdubpng`buyuk`hazine: that's a test release from the devel branch, yes.04:22
png`buyuk`hazinethanks jdub04:22
diemanwell04:23
diemanhopefully the machine has a highly interesting oops on the screen that I can report to the kernel people04:23
farruinnjdz_: you're referring to sun's j2se?04:23
neighborleekent, yeah i've got all processes and X spikes sometimes to 20% or so....no idea whats causing it as its doing it with both 2.6.10 and 2.6.8 kernels so that isn't it...using warty btw04:23
jdz_farruinn: Thats one possible java-vm that'll let you use java-applets in firefox, yes.04:24
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kentneighborlee, have you installed either nvidia och ati's drivers for 3d? if so, try to remove them and see if it continues..?04:24
neighborleekent, either I try upgrading to hoary or I reinstall I guess ;(04:24
farruinnjdz_: sorry if I'm being blind, but that's the only one I'm finding on ubuntuguide.org04:25
neighborleekent, yes I use nvidia....611104:25
MamorookWhat file do you have to alter to set up an ethernet card?  Or does Ubuntu ship with a utility to configure it for you?04:25
jdz_farruinn: Thats one possible java-vm that'll let you use java-applets in firefox, yes.04:25
kentneighborlee, if you choose to either reinstall or upgrade, i would first spend some time upgrading. it might help, and for me Hoary now is stable (but there is no guerantee..)04:25
neighborleekent, 8 bittorrents eh ;-)...busy man heh04:25
jdz_farruinn: blah, hit the up arrow by mistake.  That'll work, give it a try!04:25
neighborleekent, yup exactly04:25
farruinnon ppc?04:26
neighborleekent, its tempting yes...I just fear after threee hours I might be left with unuseable system anyway LOL..shrug04:26
jdz_farruinn: oh!  ppc?  try IBM's04:26
farruinnok, thanks04:26
jdz_farruinn: however, I don't think there are instructions on the ubuntuguide site for ibm's04:26
jdz_farruinn: it should be fairly similar though.04:26
farruinnnope, but that's ok04:26
neighborleekent, so after upgrade you still could login to desktop04:27
kentneighborlee, i would actually try to remove the nvidia driver first if i was you.  That might help. Just remove the package, and make *sure* you are not loading the nvidia kernel-module, and that you use "nv" and not "nvidia" as the driver for X. (if you know howto,..?)04:27
kentneighborlee, yes. but i could not use the nvidia driver. I dont know why, but X gets crazy then. I have an old tnt2-card, so i dont get much 3d anyway so i dont mind using the free driver.04:28
budfoxany ideas on getting palm pilot to connect by usb?04:29
neighborleekent, I suppose its worth a shot...nv would be okay for a test yes04:29
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greppertritium: I am reading about needing a "bootsplash" enabled kernel  - is the warty kernel such ?04:29
kentneighborlee, since it seems like its X that causes the CPU overload (if i read correctly) i would start with the drivers for X :)04:29
neighborleeyea04:31
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crypticreignwhy is ubuntu-desktop removed when it removes xine-gstreamer inorder to install totem-xine?04:31
tritiumgrepper, for grub splash images, or the bootsplash kernel patch?04:31
regeyacrypticreign, to frighten you into not installing a working totem04:31
grepperoh, what's the diff ?04:31
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crypticreignregeya: heh04:31
grepperis the bootsplash kernel just the framebuffer pic ?04:32
|QuaD-_any people here c++ experts?04:32
tritiumcrypticreign, because ubuntu-desktop depends on totem-gstreamer04:32
regeyadon't worry too much about it, crypticreign.04:32
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crypticreignregeya: ok04:32
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tritiumgrepper, they're different, yes04:32
regeyatritium: the real question, then, would be 'why does ubuntu-desktop depend on totem-gstreamer?'04:32
sobralenseregeya, to be a default desktop...04:33
sobralenseI think04:33
grepperok04:33
regeyasobralense, that, um, well, uh, hm, well, uh, well then, uh...04:34
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sobralenseubuntu-desktop its a meta, so if it has to be removed, just try looking the package size to see that only few kb is removed04:34
tritiumregeya, because they decided to go with gstreamer since it's freedesktop.org endorsed04:34
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kakaltois there a guide to getting nvidia tv-out working on ubuntu?04:34
kakaltoor do I only need to get the package?04:34
regeyatritium: okay, but it tends to frighten people who want to use the xine backend.  choice == bad?04:35
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tritiumregeya, endorsed is the wrong choice of words04:35
HrdwrBoBkakalto: set it up as per BinaryDriverHowto04:35
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HrdwrBoBkakalto: then you can edit the config file to change it to suit TV out04:35
tritiumregeya, I agree that it can frighten users04:35
kakaltowhich config file?04:35
tritiumkakalto, I got it working04:35
HrdwrBoB/etc/X11/XF86Config on warty04:35
kakaltokewl04:35
tritiumkakalto, I just followed the README04:35
regeyaalso, I'm told removing ubuntu-desktop has caused problems on hoary, so I have to think this is one thing that can be moved to the 'bad idea' bin04:35
kakaltotritium, readme?04:36
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Scognitohi all04:36
tritiumkakalto, in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx04:36
kakaltodo point me to it04:36
kakaltothanks04:36
Scognitowill sometime the libflac4 dep of muine fixed?04:36
tritiumkakalto, "zcat /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz | more"04:36
Scognito(hoary)04:36
crypticreignstrange crypticreign@hell:~ $ beep-media-player04:37
crypticreignBMP: Unable to open display, exiting04:37
tritiumkakalto, look for the section on "TwinView"04:37
kakaltothat's not the easiest thing04:39
kakaltoconsidering the size of it04:39
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K-Richkakalto: last section04:42
farruinnanyone know if IBM pSeries is compatible with ppc?04:43
farruinnnon-G5 that is04:43
robertj_farruinn: to an extent04:46
robertj_Suse used to put out a pSeries version04:46
robertj_but I don't know anything else about it really04:46
crypticreignhtm, i cannot start xmms either04:47
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farruinnapparently it is compatible because the file I'm downloading is *.ppc.tgz and no mention of pSeries04:50
farruinnthanks jdz_ for pointing me in the right direction04:51
farruinnI've found instructions for installing this java-vm in ubuntu on the wiki04:51
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billytwowillyanyone know if athlon xp-m cpus will work in normal athlon boards?04:55
ScooterI am shoping for text browsers, any sugestions?? lynx is a bit to cryptic for me..04:57
K-Richlinks204:57
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CinduxCan someone help me04:57
K-Richyou can also you it as a graphical browser with X and SVGAlib  etc04:57
Cinduxsudo mv /home/desktop/Elegance.jpg /usr/shared/backgrounds isnt working04:58
CinduxSays DIR not found04:58
CinduxI tried sudo cp as wlel04:58
knghtbrdkill the d04:58
knghtbrd/usr/share04:58
ScognitoCindux, /usr/share04:58
Cindux???04:58
ScooterThasnks <K-Rich> :)04:58
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Scognitouse tab button to autocomplete04:59
Cinduxbut i wanted it in the backgrounds DIR ?04:59
crypticreignodd, xmms wont start at all04:59
crypticreignhmm04:59
tritiumCindux, you're still working on that?04:59
Cinduxlol no04:59
Cinduxi went upstairs to watch a movie and just tried now04:59
CinduxScog are you talking to me ?04:59
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knghtbrd/usr/share/backgrounds05:00
Cinduxoh05:00
ScognitoCindux, yes05:00
Cinduxi was doing usr/shared05:00
ScognitoCindux, type:  /usr/sha and press tab05:01
Scognitoit will be autocompleted05:01
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lyyanyone using tvtime?05:01
Scognitoi use xawtv05:02
lyyScognito: can you record with xawtv?05:02
Scognitonever tried05:02
Scognitoi used mencoder years ago05:02
Scognitobut my pc is to slooooow05:03
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K-Richi used to use tvtime but can't get my tuner to work now :/  (needs rivatv module)05:03
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calamarihi05:03
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knghtbrd(hi)05:04
calamarithis line gives me "Permission denied".  If I do sudo su and execute it without sudo, it works:  sudo echo "hello" > /media/floppy/test.txt05:04
Scognitoknghtbrd, what time is it there?05:04
calamarihi knghtbrd :)05:04
knghtbrd20:0405:04
calamariI could go for some fried food right about now :)05:04
HrdwrBoBcalamari: that's because > is interpreted by your users shell05:04
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HrdwrBoBcalamari: and hence run as your user05:04
Scognitocalamari, it's to late here for fried calamari05:04
HrdwrBoBcalamari: echo "hello" | sudo tee /media/floppy/test.txt05:04
HrdwrBoBwill work05:04
Scognitogotta go05:05
HrdwrBoBrunning echo as you and writing to the file as root05:05
calamariwhat is tee ?05:05
Scognitoit's 5:05 am here05:05
calamariScognito: cya ;)05:05
Scognitocalamari, bye05:05
MacPlusG3calamari: $ whatis tee05:05
MacPlusG3tee (1)              - read from standard input and write to standard output and files05:05
calamarioh, it's a program :)05:06
calamarithanks.. hehe05:06
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regeyaguh.  someone's thinking of writing a beagle kde ioslave?  wowza.05:08
froustbugger... anyone have any suggestions for setting up audio for tux racer? (works fine in normal operation)05:08
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hhorsmanhi, im having trouble with X, my PS/2 mouse won't work anyone have some insight?05:08
bob2froust: 'esddsp tuxracer' in a terminal05:09
calamariHrdwrBoB: it works.. but is there a way to prevent it from being shown onscreen?05:09
froustcommand not found?05:09
calamari(the echoed text I mean)05:09
HrdwrBoB echo "hello" | sudo tee /media/floppy/test.txt > /dev/null05:10
calamarioic.. thanks again :)05:10
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hhorsmananyone, little help, ps/2 mouse config ???05:12
froustbob2: it said that esddsp wasn't found05:12
trey3hhorsman, lsmod | grep psmouse ?05:12
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hhorsmanreturns 1933605:13
hhorsmanand 005:13
knghtbrdcalamari: this probably isn't funny to anyone who wasn't there, but, "I was hungry!"05:14
trey3hhorsman, lsmod | grep mousedev ?05:14
hhorsmantrey3, 11160 005:14
trey3hhorsman, numbers don't matter... seeing if they are loaded  :/05:15
smhmm, what should I restart to make changes in /etc/pam.d take effect ?05:15
trey3hhorsman, cat /dev/input/mouse005:15
stepscan anyone tell me how to get ubuntu to use ALSA instead of ESD please?05:15
trey3hhorsman, then move the mouse... should get garble on screen?05:15
calamariknghtbrd: hehe.. well off to test this syslinux boot disk.. thanks all for the scripting help.. If all goes well, I'll be updating the BootDiskHowto :)05:15
hhorsmantrey3, yep05:16
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hhorsmancan i use that as the device?05:16
hhorsmanim used to seeing /dev/mouse05:16
trey3hhorsman, k... make sure /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (for warty) is set to use "PS/2" and is pointed at "/dev/input/mouse0"...05:17
trey3hhorsman, last one is likely whats wrong... (pointed at /dev/psaux instead)05:17
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trey3hhorsman, you have a wheel mouse?05:18
froustwhat plugin do i need to get totem to play wmvs?05:18
trey3froust, its in the wiki... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats05:19
hhorsmantrey3, i changed it to /dev/input/mouse and that seems to make it work, but im getting lots of system beeps when moving the mouse05:19
tritiumwin32codecs05:19
hhorsmantrey3, amd ues its a wheelmouse05:19
trey3hhorsman, "ImPS/2" then...05:20
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hhorsmantrey3, i think thats what its set to now05:20
hhorsmantrey3, should i try something else?05:20
trey3hhorsman, hmm.. k... not sure whats causing the beeps though...05:20
hhorsmantrey3, lol nevermind05:21
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hhorsmantrey3, i figured it out, i left the cat dump running in a different virtual term05:21
frousttrey: what am i looking for?05:21
trey3hhorsman, haha  :)05:21
tritiumfroust, win32codecs05:22
lyyanyone here have a tvtuner?05:22
hhorsmantrey3, not my smoothest move, lol thanks05:22
froustahhso.05:22
trey3froust, put the marrilat souces in /etc/apt/sources.list and install w32codecs ...05:22
trey3tritium, w32codecs is marillats name for the package...05:22
tritiumtrey3, yeah, you're right05:22
trey3tritium, I know  ;)05:22
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Cinduxhey all05:25
CinduxI have a quick question05:25
lyyoh crap. no mplayer in debian?05:25
CinduxHow do i edit the color of what I select ?05:26
Cinduxlike, when I highlight something in Application05:26
Cinduxit turns brown05:26
farruinnchange your gtk theme05:26
farruinnor make your own05:26
farruinn:P05:26
Cindux:O05:26
farruinnafaik that's how it's done05:26
Cinduxi have to change my entire theme05:26
Cindux:O05:26
Cinduxi went through all of em i didnt see an option to make my own05:26
trey3lyy, its in multiverse...05:26
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lyytrey3: sorry, i am still kinda new to ubuntu and debian. what do you mean by multiverse05:27
farruinnmultiverse is another group of apps available for installation05:28
lyyfarruinn: how do i go get it?05:28
jdz_lyy: It's a repisitory.  In Ubuntu, there's Main, Restrected, Universe, Multiverse05:28
trey3lyy, add "multiverse" to the end of the line that states 'universe' in /etc/apt/sources.list05:29
lyyjdz_: i ok.05:29
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lyytrey3: would that stop me from getting stuff from universe ?05:29
lyytrey3: or will it just allow me to get more?05:29
trey3farruinn, grrr... he could have just edited his gtkrc...05:29
trey3lyy, no... it just adds packages that you can install...05:30
farruinntrey3: ooh, didn't know about that05:30
trey3farruinn, then why did you answer?05:30
lyytrey3: so it won't remove me from using packages from universe?05:30
lyytrey3: since i'm making it universe05:30
trey3lyy, no.. it wont05:30
Cranedid I hear correcly , did Johnny Carson Die today?05:31
lyytrey3: thanks05:31
lyyCrane: yes05:31
CraneHow sad, Where can I find a story?05:31
Craneis it on like Cnn or something05:31
farruinntrey3: hey, I'm not looking for an argument here - I just gave him the info I had05:31
jmhodgesah, hrm..05:32
trey3farruinn, incorrect info... I'm sure he is grateful...05:32
Cranefound it on CNN05:32
jmhodgesim trying to install a bit of source code thats looking for a "libpanelapplet-2.0" and i have both gnome-applet and gnome-applet-dev installed05:32
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DAC1138well, X.org doesnt work either05:33
jmhodgesdo i need to change my PKG_CONFIG_PATH? if so, what should i change it to?05:33
tritiumtrey3, no need to get angry05:34
tritiumDAC1138, on Hoary?05:34
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calamarihi05:35
calamarihaving floppy unmounting problems again05:35
DAC1138tritium, yeah05:35
calamarisudo umount /dev/fd0  umount: /media/floppy0: device is busy05:35
calamariusing -f doesn't help05:36
trey3calamari, lsof /dev/fd005:36
tritiumDAC1138, did you look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?05:36
calamaritrey: that gave no output05:37
DAC1138yeah, but im trought with it, im not bothering with it anymore05:37
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DAC1138its a waste of time, im sticking with what i KNOW (for a fact) works05:37
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regeyaCrane: Johnny Carson died quite some time ago05:37
tritiumDAC1138, would you send it to daniels?05:37
regeyaTruly an American Icon05:37
ChrisC_does anyone here have any experience with using Ubuntu with a KVM?05:37
tritiumDAC1138, what rae you sticking with?05:38
DAC1138tritium, i guess i could, not that itll do any good. ill have to boot the live cd again, but im busy with trying to get a new kernel working so i can get X working my way...the way that works05:38
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Cinduxbla05:38
DAC1138rae?05:38
Cinduxgot my bg working05:38
tritiumare05:38
calamariahh, sorry.. needed to run that as sudo :)05:38
calamarifamd    3246 calamari   50r   DIR    2,0 7168    1 /media/floppy005:38
CinduxAnyone know how i can remove a file from terminal ?05:38
farruinnCindux: rm is the remove command05:38
Cinduxso it would be05:39
tritiumDAC1138, what ARE you sticking with?05:39
Cinduxsudo rm /usr/share/backgrounds/image.jpg ? ?05:39
regeyaCrane, in all seriousness, yes, he died today.05:39
trey3Cindux, yes05:39
Cinduxwoah05:39
Cinduxlol05:39
DAC1138oh. im using the xig server, what i was going to use before05:39
Cinduxi guessed correctly woohoo05:39
regeyaCrane: http://www.14wfie.com/Global/story.asp?S=2845948&nav=3w6oVVr705:39
Cinduxthanks man05:39
DAC1138Xsummit (laptop edition)05:39
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trey3Cindux, cept... for that... sudo in front...05:39
Craneheh sorry I was reading the story on CNN05:39
Cinduxoh er = /05:39
Cinduxdont i need to be root to remove ?05:39
Cinduxwhat if i sudo su first05:40
tritiumDAC1138, well, it would do some good for ubuntu if you could sent that info to daniels05:40
CraneI didn't realize he had been retired that long05:40
Cinduxthen next line i did it05:40
tritiumDAC1138, send05:40
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trey3Cindux, sudo su would do nothing...05:40
calamaritrey3: killed famd and re-ran it.. seems to have worked.. thanks05:40
DAC1138ill send it...im just busy building a new kernel right now though, im tired of rebooting05:40
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Cinduxi thought it allows all your commands to be typed as root05:40
Cinduxbla05:40
farruinnCindux: sudo -s would give you a root shell05:40
trey3calamari, you're welcome... lsof rules  ;)05:40
Cinduxoh ic05:40
tritiumDAC1138, thanks.  We appreciate it.05:40
Cinduxso in the root shell i do rm /usr/share/backgrounds etc05:41
DAC1138and people with the same problem as me have already sent bug reports into x.org and xfree86 devel, i dont know if they ever got "heard" or looked at05:41
farruinnyes05:41
DAC1138but, ill still send it in05:41
Cinduxwee05:41
farruinnbut always think twice before removing a file05:41
Cinduxits a jpeg05:41
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VTepeshey, how do I get deb packages after installing Ubuntu?  All Synaptic is showing me is what's already installed... (sorry if this is a common question, but I searched the forum and couldn't find an answer)05:42
calamaribrb.. trying the boot disk v2 :)05:42
tritiumfarruinn, earlier he really insisted on putting his personal background images in /usr/share/background.  Now he probably wants to delete them.05:42
farruinnyeah, I remember that05:42
farruinnI just wanted to make sure he understood that it wasn't like putting a file in the trash05:43
tritiumVTepes, click on "Status" and then choose "Not installed"05:43
crimsunVTepes: make sure the main repository is enabled05:43
VTepescrimsun: main restricted?  that's all I seem to have options for...05:44
crimsunVTepes: and tritium's suggestion?05:45
VTepescrimsun: that works, but I'm still not seeing very many choices...05:45
VTepescrimsun: wait, I think it's working now, thanks:)05:46
tritiumVTepes, you probably want to enable universe and multiverse05:46
VTepesI think I was having network problems earlier...05:46
ChrisC_my mouse is hosed ... what is the keyboard shortcut to get to the applications menu so I can do a clean shutdown?05:49
trey3ChrisC_, alt f105:50
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lyyanyone record tv shows from their tv tuner? i can't seem to figure out how.05:50
bob2mythtv.05:51
trey3lyy, what are you using?05:51
lyybob2: is it very painful?05:51
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trey3bob2, I thought tvtime was being favored over mythtv and co?05:51
lyytrey3: i installed tvtime. but it can't record. i tried looking into mencoder but it's confusing05:51
wm_eddieAnybody here using Ubuntu on a IBM Thinkpad 600e?05:51
lyyin windows, all i did was install the program.05:51
VTepesI'm on a Thinkpad R3105:51
trey3lyy, ahh... k... listen to bob2  :)05:51
lyyi guess in linux i need to through some hoops05:52
lyyjump*05:52
lyyok, i'll install mythtv05:52
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ChrisC_trey3: thanks, turns out kb was hosed too, had to push the shiny button ...05:53
ChrisC_does anyone here have any experience with using Ubuntu with a KVM?05:53
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VTepeswm_eddie I'm on a Thinkpad R31, I may be able to help...05:53
wm_eddieDoes Suspend work with 2.6?05:54
VTepeswm_eddie: I'm trying to figure that out myself right now;)  I can't find power options in Gnome05:54
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bob2trey3: I don't know05:55
pvhAh, I AM already logged in.05:55
wm_eddieVTepes: Well what I did was install 2.4 :)05:55
tritiumwm_eddie, are you using Hoary?05:55
bob2I'm sure they're all kinda dodgy in different ways05:55
wm_eddieno, warty05:55
pvhIs there a media library plugin available for XMMS?05:55
tritiumwm_eddie, power management is being actively worked on in Hoary05:55
aebcoatpvh give rythmbox a try?05:56
pvhaebcoat: It crashes when adding songs to the library.05:56
trey3pvh, for mp3? yes... for other media? via xmms-xmplayer yes...05:56
wm_eddietritium: aw man, I should check it out then :(05:56
aebcoathmm, ok05:56
pvhaebcoat: And it doesn't have a very good 'small' representation.05:56
tritiumwm_eddie, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM05:56
wm_eddie(I've installed 4 distributions on this laptop today)05:56
VTepestrtium: what power management options are available in warty?05:56
pvhtrey3: xmms-xmplayer, eh?05:56
trey3pvh, idk... the panel icon is a pretty good minimized view...05:56
trey3pvh, yes.05:57
lyybob2: bob2 after using synaptic to install mythtv i'm asked to remove some stuff below /var/lib/mysql with the mysql-server package with the "dpkg --purge mysql-server" command.. should i do it?05:57
wm_eddietritium: the problem is my laptop is APM05:57
tritiumwm_eddie, oh...05:57
wm_eddieRight now I'm trying to remember what I did to make my PCMCIA ethernet card work in 2.405:57
tritiumVTepes, acpi power mgmt requires kernel 2.6.10, which isn't in Warty05:57
trey3pvh, uhh... xmms-xmmplayer I meant  ;)05:57
pvhtrey3: idk?05:57
VTepestritium: (or anyone else) can I upgrade, or is that a bad idea;)?05:58
trey3pvh, apt-cache show xmms-xmmplayer05:58
bob2lyy: do you have a mysql database you care about?05:58
pvhAlso, I've noticed a lot of applications I'm installing don't show up in my applications menu.05:58
tritiumVTepes, that depends on how comfortable you are with a distribution that hasn't been released as stable.05:58
lyybob2: none that i know of.05:58
pvhIs that because they're coming from (uni|multi)verse?05:58
bob2pvh: yup05:59
VTepestritium: I think I'll stay with what I have for now... thanks:)05:59
lyybob2: did you remove ?05:59
tritiumVTepes, sure05:59
pvhbob2: I assume they're adding themselves to the Debian menu somewhere. Can I find that?05:59
lyybob2: i'll just do what you do.05:59
trey3bob2, not necissarily because of that... also because most aren't using the new menu spec etc...05:59
trey3pvh, apt-get install 'menu' if you want Debian's menu... its a mess though imo06:00
aebcoatspeaking of the debian menu- anyone know how t remove all invalid entries?06:00
trey3uhh... without the ' 's though...06:00
pvhtrey3: Such a mess. That's one thing I really like about ubuntu.06:00
danielstrey3: what do you mean, 'most aren't using the new menu spec'?06:00
tritiumpvh, their .desktop files are not setup to work with the new menu setup06:00
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wm_eddieIt's an awesome movie06:01
pvhtritium: Ah, nice.06:01
Cranecan anyone tell me where the printer setup file is located?06:02
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trey3daniels, guess I am wrong if you're disputing... most are going into vfolder related folders still though? I thought that changed?06:02
tritiumCrane, /etc/cups/printers.conf06:02
knghtbrdgreat fun, but not much plot06:02
crypticreignwhat is in multiverse?06:02
pvhtrey3: Where can I read about how the menus work?06:02
Cranetritium, Thanks alot!!06:02
tritiumyep06:02
bob2lyy: remove?  I haven't used it.06:02
pvhcrypticreign: Things that aren't in universe. :)06:02
bob2pvh: not easily.06:02
bob2pvh: you can add them because hitting applications:/// in your file manager06:02
bob2trey3: indeed06:03
knghtbrdcrypticreign: Debian contrib/non-free06:03
crypticreignah06:03
liquidhexHey.. I installed oidentd through synaptic, and its running in the background, but i updated my /etc/oidentd.conf file and tried to hide my root connection to irc, but its still coming up root@ when i /whois myself..06:03
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pvhbob2: I'll check that out. I'm not sure how I could have ever discovered that otherwise though.06:03
knghtbrdsolution: don't irc as root06:03
knghtbrd=)06:03
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liquidhexknghtbrd, im only doing that to test06:03
liquidhexmy ~/.oidentd.conf file wont work either06:03
tritiumevolution-exchange is still contacting "localhost", even though I gave it the correct OWA URL06:04
knghtbrdI use nullidentd06:04
liquidhexknghtbrd, can you choose and/or randomize your responses with it?06:04
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knghtbrdchoose yes06:04
liquidhexthat works for me..06:04
liquidhexmaybe i should try that06:04
knghtbrdyeah, it's damned simple.  If not for the makefile edit (yumi's not a Linux box), I wouldn't have had to modify the program even a little bit06:05
crypticreignwhere can i get w32codecs?06:05
crimsuncrypticreign: see /wiki/RestrictedFormats06:05
wm_eddiehttp://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list06:05
liquidhexwait a sec06:05
liquidhexi killed the daemon and restarted it06:06
Surphazejust installed ubuntu and im having some issues making my nic work, its a linksys wmp54G and google is telling me its only supported by ndiswrapper.  Are the kernel sources on the install cd anywhere?06:06
SurphazeI can't find them if they are06:06
pvhYou know, instead of prefixing comments with a person's name, it would really make more sense if we prefixed them with a topic.06:06
wm_eddieSurphaze: I don't think so...06:07
trey3wm_eddie, bah... old java... most of the rest of that is ok though...06:07
pvhI guess that's what multiple rooms are for.06:07
lyybob2: it says to log in as mythtv and run mythtv-setup. i'm not sure how to log in as mythtv06:07
knghtbrdpvh: the multiple channels don't work out that way06:07
pvhknghtbrd: I know...06:07
bob2lyy: sudo -u mythtv -s06:07
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knghtbrdand it's an irritant to have 7 channels with the same people if you're watching 7 spur of the moment topics06:08
souheilhi all06:08
pvhknghtbrd: So true.06:08
pvhknghtbrd: But if there were tab-completion for "thread names", conversation would be so much easier.06:08
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pvhknghtbrd: And you could mute topics that disinterested you.06:08
knghtbrdand this is light duty for me06:08
souheili need help with X config06:08
Surphazeso I guess its going to be a whole buch more reboot/download cycles for me :(06:08
souheilcan anybody help me?06:08
trey3souheil, thats not very specific... whats wrong?06:08
pvhirc-reform: Your chat program could just have a list of all the prefixes you saw since you logged in.06:08
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knghtbrdsouheil: why don't you start .. yeah listen to trey  =)06:09
pvhirc-reform: That would be just great.06:09
trey3pvh, I think you're way over thinking IRC...06:09
pvhirc-reform: Nonsense! How much of your life is spent in IRC?06:09
souheili got a s3 trio : (lspci : )0000:00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+]  (rev 54)06:09
bzbbpvh, too much, I need to spend more time climbing mountains06:10
bzbbsouheil, ouch, I'm sorry06:10
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knghtbrdgood grief, does xfree4 even support that thing?06:10
pvhirc-reform: Not really the weather for it right now in my hemisphere.06:10
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souheilthe XF86 S3 drv won't work, and i'm now struggling w/ vesa drv06:10
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knghtbrdyou may not get that working either06:11
bzbbirc-reform I just got back from the other hemisphere06:11
bzbb3 weeks in chile06:11
lyybob2: running  sudo -u mythtv -s mythtv-setup gives me this error : mythtv-setup: /usr/bin/mythtv-setup: cannot execute binary file06:11
wm_eddiewoo I got my nic to work06:11
knghtbrdThe Trio isn't VESA 2 compliant06:11
souheilbzbb :)) looks like a /.er here06:11
pvhirc-reform: I'm headed for montreal in a couple weeks, so I'm going in the wrong direction.06:11
lyybob2: i tried sudo -u mythtv mythtv-setup , and i get mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server06:11
bzbbirc-reform: autohighlight would be nice, too06:11
bob2lyy: yes, the former won't work06:12
pvhirc-reform: It would be really easy to add...06:12
bob2nor the latter06:12
pvhirc-reform: Any conversations you've added to would be highlighted.06:12
lyybob2: i guess i'm sol06:12
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bzbbIrc-reform: if only  Iwas any good at C06:12
bob2lyy: maybe 'sudo su -m mythtv'06:12
pvhirc-reform: Hell, maybe I'll hack it into my copy of x-chat tonight.06:12
alainmwhat tool should i use to control my wireless connection?06:12
souheilthe pc is an old pii 350mhz, and i need to get mplayer or any other video player running smoothly on it06:12
bzbbirc-reform: I would want a copy of that06:12
souheilthe vesa drv is slow as hell06:13
knghtbrdirc-reform: the jam is moldy in the kitchen and the rolling stone gathers no Microsoft commercials06:13
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lyybob2: still got mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server06:13
lyybob2: maybe i should run it as root06:13
knghtbrdirc-reform: (as you can see, there are still obvious limitations)06:13
lyybob2: run mythtv-setup as root that is06:13
bzbbirc-reform: I was younger than, I'm older than that now!06:13
alainmhow come when i install an application such as amsn using the synaptic package manager is doesn't add it to the menu?06:13
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alainmapplications menu that is06:14
pvhirc-reform: It doesn't change IRC, it just makes it easier to follow a conversation.06:14
bzbbIrc-reform: human stupidity, willful or not is always a limitation06:14
pvhirc-reform: Okay, x-chat plugins, let's see.06:14
tritiumlyy, maybe so.  Not everything can be done using sudo (e.g. /etc/X11/xorg.conf has instructions at the top that can't be used using sudo)06:14
lyybob2: i guess it was a long long time since you installed this06:14
bob2lyy: as I said, I never used it06:14
bob2and this packaging of it seems useless crap06:14
lyyoh06:14
smnot sure alainm.. killall gnome-panel will force it06:14
lyybob2: i agree hehe06:15
bzbbirc-reform: x-chat can use perl or python for plugins, wight?06:15
jacquesvmplayer assistance needed06:15
alainmsm: i have rebooted though06:15
tritiumI should say cannot be done without some modification to the commands used06:15
jacquesvReading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf06:15
jacquesvIllegal instruction06:15
jacquesvit bombs06:15
bzbbwell, Its bedtime for me06:15
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jacquesvany ideas ?06:15
pvhirc-reform: I'll be back with a plugin.06:15
bzbbgotta get up in 8 hours06:15
souheiljacquesv, mplayer what?06:15
HrdwrBoBjacquesv: you probably have the wrong version06:16
bzbbirc-reform06:16
HrdwrBoBget mplayer-386 to be sure06:16
bzbbmesg me with the resuslts06:16
jacquesvdid apt-get install mplayer06:16
smalainm hmm, then perhaps run the update-menus command manually.. only I don't remember it's name06:16
jacquesvok06:16
jacquesvHrdwrBoB, ok06:16
pvhbzbb: Will so.06:16
pvhbzbb: Er, will do.06:16
souheiljacquesv, what's ur apt repository?06:17
alainmsm: did that, still nothing.. i have installed a bunch of applications.. and they don't show up.. the only one that does is Xchat06:18
jacquesvbasic06:18
jacquesvsouheil, basic but added multiverse ! me thinks...checking06:18
jacquesvyes06:19
souheiljacquesv, can you drop its lines?06:19
stuNNedwill there ever be a generic 'galaxy' repo in ubuntu?06:19
jacquesvsouheil, sources.list ?06:19
smlike what applications ? only a subset - gnome apps ? - show up in the menu - not all debian apps06:19
souheiljacquesv, yep06:19
tritiumxine-ui06:19
jacquesvdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted06:20
jacquesvdeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted06:20
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jacquesvdeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted06:20
jacquesvdeb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted06:20
jacquesvdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse06:20
alainmsm: pan, kdevelop3, emacs06:20
jacquesvsouheil, basic plus multi06:20
souheiljacquesv, k06:20
grepperheh, looks like the grub splash worked after all - strange update-grub kept telling me it couldn't find the image06:20
souheiljacquesv, mplayer -version06:20
alainmsm: amsn06:20
tritiumgrepper, silly update-grub06:20
pvhtrey3: I haven't been able to figure out how xmms-xmplayer adds media-library stuff to xmms...06:20
smyeah, emacs should appear in Accessories06:20
greppernow, how can I get a boot splash that covers the boot up messages ?06:21
jacquesvsouheil MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.406:21
alainmsm: so where does it put the rest?06:21
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smit will be in the ubuntu bugzilla or the lists I'd say06:21
trey3pvh, eh... it doesn't... it adds the ability to *play* movies via xmms...06:21
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jacquesvmulti-pass06:21
siimocan someone tell me what is in multiverse?06:21
tritiumgrepper, wait for usplash, I'd say06:21
jacquesvmulti-pass06:21
jacquesvhahaha06:21
trey3siimo, non-free unsupported software06:21
pvhtrey3: Ohh. I'm looking for a dynamic-playlister.06:21
greppertritium: I will be able to use it with warty ?06:21
pvhtrey3: In the style of rhythmbox/itunes/winamp.06:22
tritiumgrepper, oh, no, it's going to debut in Hoary06:22
smnight all06:22
jacquesvsouheil, any ideas06:22
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tritiumgrepper, there is the bootsplash kernel-patch, if you feel like patching and building a custom kernel06:22
grepperdarn, so I need to patch my kernel I guess, from the limited reading I've done06:22
lyybob, the installation of mythtv is like, 10 pages06:22
greppertritium: cool, does universe have it ?06:22
jacquesvall I want is to watch an xvid06:23
souheiljacquesv, mplayer does crash sometimes, and it prints a lengthy message about possibly why06:23
tritiumgrepper, no, I don't see it in ubuntu, even in multiverse06:23
jacquesvsouheil, running from cmdline and ends with Illegal instruction06:23
jacquesvnada06:23
grepperok06:23
souheiljacquesv, it happens on unsupported to non-thoroughly supported formats06:23
souheiljacquesv, think some wmv, qt and such06:24
jacquesvsouheil, can I get it running in verbose mode ?06:24
souheiljacquesv, -v :)06:24
tritiumgrepper, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=825706:24
jacquesvsouheil, nada06:24
souheiljacquesv, does it even run some file?06:24
jacquesvI am just trying to start it up06:25
greppertritium: thanks, reading06:25
tritiumsure thing06:25
souheiljacquesv, whats ur arch?06:25
jacquesvman I wanna watch Battlestar Gallactica tv series06:25
souheiljacquesv, i admit i'm compiling it myself...06:26
souheiljacquesv, :)06:26
jacquesvAMD XP 2600+ Nvidia Ultra 512 MB ATi Radeon 9800 Pro06:26
souheiljacquesv, avi i guess?06:26
jacquesvyes06:26
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jacquesvmust say Ubuntu is running fine06:26
souheiljacquesv, what does mplayer -version say?06:26
jacquesvsouheil, MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.406:27
jacquesvI apt'd it06:27
jacquesvsouheil, maybe I should get tarball and compile ?06:27
crimsunjacquesv: dpkg -l mplayer-custom|grep ^ii06:28
souheiljacquesv,  that what i always do06:28
jacquesvmplayer-custom 1.0-pre5-0.6ub The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux06:28
souheiljacquesv, just remember that you can get a proper .deb06:28
crimsunjacquesv: ding.06:28
crimsunjacquesv: you should be using -k7, not -custom.06:29
jacquesvcrimsun, ?06:29
jacquesvcrimsun, dong06:29
jacquesv:)06:29
jacquesvcrimsun, aaah06:29
souheiljacquesv, if you fakeroot debian/rules binary06:29
siimohi why do other mirrors than the official one has md5 mismatch? please help? official mirror is too slow for me06:29
jacquesvcrimsun, how do I switch06:29
crimsunjacquesv: install -k7 and remove -custom06:30
jacquesvsouheil, not familiar with fakeroot ?06:30
jacquesvcrimsun, ok06:30
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liquidhexWhat is the VGA font for terminals a part of?06:30
siimoFailed to fetch http://mirrors.wamug.org.au/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch06:30
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siimowhats that??06:30
souheiljacquesv, just makes debian/rules think that you're root, a necessity for .deb making w/o being root06:31
jacquesvsouheil, ok06:31
jacquesvcrimsun, where can I get k7 version06:32
jacquesvsouheil,  k7  ? do I have to compile this version06:32
crimsunjacquesv: same place you got custom06:32
jacquesvcrimsun, multiverse?06:32
jacquesvcrimsun, aint there06:32
siimo?!?06:32
crimsunjacquesv: for what, hoary? warty?06:32
crimsunsiimo: what about the official repo?06:32
jacquesvwarty06:32
crimsunjacquesv: the instructions for RestrictedFormats have an update06:33
siimocrimsun, official is fine but other mirrors arent06:33
souheiljacquesv, thats weird06:33
souheiljacquesv, -custom saysThis version is for your own machine :-)06:34
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souheilcrimsun, does ur experience confirm the comment in the pkg?06:35
jacquesvsouheil, strange06:35
jacquesvthe plot thickens06:35
crimsunsouheil: which comment?06:35
souheiljacquesv, -custom says his version is for your own machine :-)06:36
jacquesvcrimsun, u have a link to this ?06:36
jacquesvsouheil, for AMD ?06:36
crimsunjacquesv: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats06:36
souheilcrimsun, sorry! This version is for your own machine :-)06:36
crimsunjacquesv: "Where to get DVDCSS/xvid/other legally questionable packages06:36
souheiljacquesv, previous msg wrong06:37
wm_eddieDamn!06:37
souheilcrimsun, do you actually need dvdcss?06:38
da_bon_bonhey i wanna intreoduce a frnd to linux and he has a live cd. he cant change his bios setting to boot and i cant explain well. any suggestions ?06:38
crimsunsouheil: if you plan to play DVDs directly from mplayer, yes06:38
souheilcrimsun, i just played dune dvd, w/o it!!06:38
crimsunsouheil: using a static binary of mplayer?06:39
alainmso is anyone else having this problem with applications not showing up in the Applications menu?06:39
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wm_eddieWhere do I put what alsaconf put in /etc/alsa/modutils/0.9 ?06:39
souheilcrimsun, unless it's included in libdvdnav or libdvdread06:39
souheilcrimsun, no06:39
souheilcrimsun, i compiled it myself a few hours ago06:40
crimsunwm_eddie: eh? ubuntu handles that for you.06:40
souheilcrimsun, and the same thing, for my debian-ppc ibook06:40
souheilcrimsun, it's really weird...06:40
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wm_eddiecrimsun: no my sound card is strange.06:42
jacquesvcrimsun,06:42
twisted_steelis there any way to forcefully remove a broken package from my system?06:42
crimsuntwisted_steel: how broken is it?06:42
jacquesvcrimsun, so I have to use mplayer-k7 ? what of mplayer-i68606:42
crimsunjacquesv: your arch is k7, so use k7.06:42
jmhodgesgah, anyone have a working libgtksourceview-cil ?06:42
jmhodgesdeb i mean06:42
jmhodgesheh06:42
twisted_steelcrimsun: the removal didn't work; it removes files and then tries to remove them again, and they are of course already gone06:43
twisted_steelcrimsun: so dpkg fails06:43
jacquesvcrimsun, fails dependancy says needs -k6 ?06:43
trey3jacquesv, -686 is for p2 and above... -k7 is for AMD...06:43
jacquesvtrey3, fails dependancy says needs -k6 ?06:43
trey3jacquesv, yuh... people don't seem to get that he deprecated -k7  :/06:43
crimsunjacquesv: please tell me you didn't click the url on the web page.06:43
crimsunjacquesv: please tell me instead you added it as a repo in Synaptic (or edited /etc/apt/sources.list manually)06:44
jacquesvI did to find out what packages he had then added to my apt sources06:44
jacquesvyes06:44
crimsunjacquesv: what did you add?06:44
jacquesvcrimsun, i did add the uri testing main06:44
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crimsunjacquesv: did you read directly below that?06:45
jacquesvI am runnign apt-get install mplayer-k706:45
twisted_steelcrimsun: I touched the files in an attempt to get it to pick them up, but it tries to remove one of them at least 2 times06:45
trey3jacquesv, if you have an AMD processor... apt-get install mplayer-k6 ...06:45
jacquesvcrimsun, apparently not !!!06:45
jacquesvcrimsun, "debian-marillat repository's packages were rebuilt against newer packages that aren't available in Warty"06:45
trey3jacquesv, use testing...  :06:46
jacquesvcrimsun, doh!06:46
crimsunjacquesv: continue reading.06:46
jacquesvcrimsun, yes ....06:46
jacquesvcrimsun, the light goes on!06:48
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jacquesvwhats the deal with audio/video and Ubuntu ?06:49
stuNNedcrimsun: know if when hoary ships fbsplash will be enabled and if so will default gnome-terminal background be the fbsplash image file?06:49
jacquesvis the licensing ?????06:49
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jacquesvtrey3, hmmm06:49
wm_eddieDamn now when I unmute PCM I get loud noises...06:50
Guardiannjacquesv yep its the licensing06:50
crimsunstuNNed: to be honest, I have no idea; jdub probably has a much clearer idea.06:50
stuNNedcrimsun: ok thanks06:50
stuNNedbrb06:51
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jacquesvaaahhhhhhhhhh crap06:51
jacquesvI get mplayer06:52
jacquesvwont play my avi ????06:52
crimsunjacquesv: did you install w32codecs?06:52
jacquesvohhh uuuuh06:52
jacquesv:_(06:52
neighborleedoes a full upgrade to hoary cause any weirdness I should prepare for ?LOL06:53
jacquesvbloody 'ell....hoary ? who chooses the names ?06:53
neighborleelol06:53
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neighborleemaybe one of the devs last names ..ha06:53
jacquesvwe'll be the laughing stock of the linux community06:53
wm_eddieWho chooses the wallpapers ><06:54
wm_eddiehehe06:54
wm_eddieI love this distro06:54
neighborleejacquesv,heh06:54
jacquesvwm_eddie, I do, why ?06:54
jacquesvwm_eddie, haha just kidden06:54
jacquesvneighborlee, hey06:54
wm_eddiec'mon sound work!06:56
jacquesvwm_eddie, I had that problem....till I went to mixer and turned up the levels06:56
jacquesvwm_eddie, doh!06:56
wm_eddiewhen I turn them up, I get static06:57
Shinigamihello everyone.  I have a new instalation (warty) and I seem to be haveing some dificulty surfing and would like some sugestions.  My connection seems ok with ping, IRC clients, but the browsers take forever (about a min) to load anything.  Gaim also took a bit to log-on, but is very responsive after that.  Any thoughts for a new Ubuntu user?I have a fair understanding of computers, but only a moderate level of Linux, so an06:58
Shinigamiy help is appreciated.06:58
wm_eddieI think I heard of that before.06:59
wm_eddiesomething about IPv606:59
Shinigamiprobally06:59
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Shinigamiwm_eddie: my friend was trying to help me yesturday when I could not log in myself.07:00
wm_eddieI remember the fix being something like changing a line in the chrome configuration or something.07:01
wm_eddietry a google search for firefox or mozilla IPv6 problem07:01
Guardiannthe fix is at www.ubuntuguide.org07:01
Shinigami*nods* ok, thank you.  I'll be bak :)07:01
ShinigamiBoth of you.07:01
Guardiannyw07:02
wm_eddiesigh, I'll never get this thing working right.07:03
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trey3wm_eddie, hardware plugged into right place (no seriously) ... mic muted? fiddle with mixer settings till static is gone...07:04
wm_eddietrey3: yup everything is in order.07:05
wm_eddiethe static only happens when a sound plays. (but the static never stops)07:05
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wm_eddiesomething is not configured right...07:05
VenomousGeckoHey guys07:05
trey3wm_eddie, somethings wrong... sound card is working though... else you wouldn't get static... gotta be an alsa issue...07:05
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calamarihi07:05
VenomousGeckoI am having an issue with an install on an Inspiron 800007:05
wm_eddieI would get the same sound after waking from suspend on SuSE 8.207:06
wm_eddiesometimes.07:06
VenomousGeckoAnyone interested in hearing my story :P07:06
souheilany one with s3 trio issue w/ Xf86 s3 drv?07:06
trey3wm_eddie, definatly up-stream alsa issue then... should report it somewhere...07:06
wm_eddieNobody cares about this old 600E anymore07:07
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wm_eddieFunny thing is it only stops when I mute PCM07:07
wm_eddieand if I turn up In-gain the right speaker also starts doing the static thing07:08
calamaristill messing w/ the boot disk.  Anyone used syslinux before?  The kernel starts booting, then complains that I don't have a correct "root=" entry.  I'm using "root=/dev/hda1 ro"07:08
froustanyone know where i can download icons for firefox to replace the ones that come with ubuntu?07:08
wm_eddieThemes?07:08
wm_eddieor do you mean the Firefox icons in GTK?07:09
jacquesvaaah07:09
wm_eddieor gnome rather07:09
VenomousGeckoIs anyone aware of an issues with certain keys (ie the fn+font combo) causing ubuntu to freeze on Dell Inspiron 8000?07:09
jacquesvI got maplayer up but wont play my xvid file07:09
wrddo you mean mplayer ?07:10
bur[n] erjacquesv: do any other players?  are you sure your xvid is ok?07:10
jacquesvwrd yes07:10
=== bur[n] er uses mplayer to play xvid's just fine
jacquesvbur[n] er, well I only have mplayer07:10
wrdwhat does mplayer say (try starting it in the commandline?)07:10
jacquesvwrd I am07:11
jacquesvhang on07:11
Guardiannjacquesv have you installed the codecs07:11
bur[n] erjacquesv: try totem-xine or vlc?07:11
bur[n] erjacquesv: try with gmplayer for gui mplayer?07:11
souheiljacquesv, there's libxvidcore on multi07:11
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parminhello there07:12
parmini've installed apache 1.33 and php as cgi07:12
parminbut all i've get is error messages07:12
jacquesvbur[n] er, tried gmplayer...07:12
bur[n] erjacquesv: just get totem-xine and see if that works... apt-get install totem-xine should install codecs needed, and mplayer should work after that too ;)07:13
bur[n] erassuming your xvid is ok07:13
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grepperhey bur[n] er :)07:15
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bur[n] erdidn't know you were an ubuntu guy these days07:16
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grepperyeah, well it is well suited to this machine I am giving to my nephew07:16
bur[n] erright on07:16
greppersimple menu's, not too much cruft installed07:16
bur[n] erfor sure07:17
bur[n] eri hope he doesn't burn cds ;)07:17
jacquesvduuuuuuuuude07:17
jacquesvits working07:17
jacquesvwooooohooooo07:17
jacquesvheeeehhaaa07:17
bur[n] erjacquesv: what'd you do?07:17
grepperhe's a Mac user, so he will like these silly little windows that pop up all over the place :)07:17
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bur[n] erhuh... good work07:18
jacquesvbattlestar galactica07:18
jacquesvcylons07:18
jacquesvsure are pretty07:18
bur[n] erjacquesv: i would suggest teh Industrial skin for mplayer :)07:19
bur[n] ermakes more gnomey07:19
jacquesvbur[n] er, thx getting it07:19
bur[n] ersure07:20
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wrdgood night07:21
siimocan someone post a list of ubuntu mirrors where there is no md5sum mismatch?07:21
Coglike_can nautilus display a webpage as my desktop background?07:22
trey3Coglike_, not that I know of...07:22
ThreeShotlike active desktop on windows?07:22
Coglike_ThreeShot: yah.07:23
Coglike_i was thinking now that there's nothing on my desktop, i want my rss on there.07:23
ThreeShotmabye...I think you can set an image from the net directly as wallpaper, but I dunno about an actual web page.07:23
bur[n] erfor rss, you could use gdesklets07:23
ZotnixIck07:24
ZotnixBit slow.07:24
Coglike_gdesklets seems like overkill for this07:24
ZotnixBlam is very nice.07:24
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bur[n] eri know nothing of blam07:24
Coglike_and they always ass up and eat my memory.07:24
=== bur[n] er uses liferea for rss ;)
Surphazethis is really causing a lot of pain, I found this as far as setup for trying to use ndiswrapper https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper the issue is just the linux-image on the cdrom doesn't seem to be enough to build ndiswrapper but because ncurses-devel not available configuring the kernel from kernel.org source is a real pain07:24
ZotnixOh, on your desktop07:24
HrdwrBoBndwisrapper is in the repositoruy07:24
HrdwrBoByou shouldn't need to build it07:25
SurphazeHrdwrBoB, im pretty much a newbie to ubuntu but im not seeing it in synaptic07:25
SurphazeI only have the cdrom repository07:25
souheila ciao all07:25
Coglike_blam, liferea, gdesklets, they don't really get to the heart of the problem, which is. i'm really good at html and css. and i want to use those skills to make my desktop look pretty.07:25
Surphazebecause I have no internet connection07:25
Surphazein ubuntu yet07:26
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Coglike_can i set a browser to use the root window?07:26
ShyGuy91284Anyone here know what desktop the Ubuntu LiveCD uses?07:26
bur[n] ersorry Coglike_, i know nothing of it :\07:26
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HrdwrBoBSurphaze: install ndiswrapper-utils and linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)07:26
HrdwrBoBlike this07:26
trey3ShyGuy91284, uhh... GNOME?07:26
bur[n] erShyGuy91284: gnome07:26
HrdwrBoBsudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils and linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)07:26
Coglike_bur[n] er: yah, but its there all the time anyways.07:27
Kirschhey guys, i'm trying to share a folder on this machine, but if somone create's a file, the default group is his, i want it tobe of the group that is of the current folder it resides (and if he create's a folder, it would do it recursivly) any ideas?07:27
ShyGuy91284K.  Thanks.  I need to do a presentation on Gnome, and a LiveCD is the best way.  Cya.07:27
Coglike_bur[n] er: even a calendar there would be better than just nothing07:27
bur[n] erKirsch: i'm looking for the same thing... you can do it with samba i know... are they putting files there via samba?07:27
bur[n] ersorry Coglike_07:28
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Kirschno07:28
wm_eddieWhy isn't the gnome-pilot program working07:28
SurphazeHrdwrBoB, its not there, package not found07:28
Kirschany method, i know it's a chmod command i can run.07:28
SurphazeHrdwrBoB, I do have linux-restricted-modules07:29
bur[n] erforce group = group  <--- put that in /etc/samba/smb.conf07:29
SurphazeHrdwrBoB, and I already have it installed07:29
HrdwrBoBKirsch: man chmod will tell you07:29
bur[n] erKirsch: it's a chown actually... chown -R user:group blah07:29
KirschHrdwrBoB: no it doesn't.07:29
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bur[n] er-R == recursive of course07:29
Kirschbur[n] er: no, if u have a directory Kirsch:www and user blah is in www, and he create's a folder in this folder, the permissions will be blah:blah, not blah:www07:30
bur[n] erKirsch: if he creates that file through samba and you have a force group = www then it will do it07:30
nico__t07:30
HrdwrBoBKirsch: chmod 2755 dir will do it07:30
trey3Surphaze, I see 'ndiswrapper-utils' and 'ndiswrapper-source'... makes sure universe and multiverse is activated...07:30
bur[n] erbut i dont' know how to do it if they create it locally or through ftp or scp or whatever, only samba :\07:31
Surphazetrey3, that requires having the internet working to grab from tho right?07:31
Surphazeall I have is the base install pretty much07:31
trey3Surphaze, uhh... yeah, it would...07:32
trey3Surphaze, but you're online... hold on...07:32
calamarianyone know if grub uses /boot/initrd* ?07:32
KirschHrdwrBoB: thanks! that's what i wanted.07:32
trey3Surphaze, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/n/ndiswrapper/   <-- you can put that on disc... and one more... hold on again...07:33
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calamarimaybe I should just ask this straight out.. are there any facilities to make a working boot disk in Ubuntu?  I tried mkboot, but the result did not boot up07:34
trey3Surphaze, nm... says thats where -utils is too... but I don't see it  :/07:34
stuNNedwhy does rescue mode mount root partition rw?07:35
Surphazetrey3, damn would be easy to install if I was on the net, but can't get on the net from there :(07:36
Surphazenasty little loop07:36
trey3stuNNed, kinda pointless editing files (what you would likely do in rescue mode) if they are ro...07:36
trey3Surphaze, you can download them wherever you are... and use sneaker net to get them to the linux machine...07:36
stuNNedtrey3: something like what redhat does is nice, give the option to chroot in and have rw or not.07:37
Surphazetrey3, where can I find the debs then?07:37
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trey3Surphaze, I just showed you.07:37
Surphazeah sorry07:37
stuNNedtrey3: can't run fsck when rw07:37
Surphazetrey3, thats just the sources tho, im going to hit the same problem07:38
trey3stuNNed, fsck is ran on boot generally anyways  :/07:38
trey3Surphaze, not really... install and read docs...07:38
stuNNedtrey3: can it be forced to run?07:38
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Surphazeok I'll give it a shot, but not optimistic07:38
trey3Surphaze, ndiswrapper lets you install windows wireless drivers... you know this correct?07:39
trey3stuNNed, umm... never tried...07:39
Surphazeyes07:39
Surphazetrey3, yes07:39
Surphazetrey3, googling for my wireless card is supposedly the only way my card will work07:40
trey3stuNNed, never had issues with filesystems really with Unix...07:40
trey3Surphaze, yeah... no07:40
Surphazetrey3, yeah... no?07:40
trey3Surphaze, they were basically saying "I'm too lazy to tell you" or "I don't really know, I just want to seem smart"...07:41
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Surphazetrey3, you know this even if I haven't told you which card it is?07:43
SurphazeI mean if I don't need ndiswrapper thats great07:43
Surphazebut I haven't found anything pointing that way07:43
trey3Surphaze, I don't even know what wireless card you're using...07:43
trey3Surphaze, but ndiswrapper will work with any that aren't supported by linux...07:43
Surphazeright07:44
lyyi want to choke the packager of mythtv.07:44
trey3bob2, mythtv help?07:44
Surphazetrey3: linksys wpc54g I am saying it doesn't seem supported by linux but there are forum posts saying it works in ndiswrapper07:45
lyytrey3: i think i need to start up and run mysql at least once07:45
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Surphazetrey3, you confused me with the "yeah... no" thing07:45
trey3Surphaze, I was being sarcastic...07:45
Surphazeok07:46
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duzchipHello guys!07:46
trey3Surphaze, like I said... they were basically telling you to look it up youself... such comments are why #debian got the reputation it has today...07:46
JoePenguinhi duzchip07:46
duzchipI'm up for another 15 hours of idling :P07:46
trey3duzchip, hey07:46
lyytrey3: if i compared the time it takes to figure out to record on linux compared to windows, i feel like shooting myself07:46
bob2trey3: as I said twice, earlier, I've never used it.07:47
Surphazetrey3, but im saying I looked it up before I asked :)07:47
duzchipThis is probably the nicest channel online. I have never had anyone greeting me before ;P07:47
Surphazetrey3: looking it up got me this way07:47
trey3bob2, ahh... I'm sorry... didn't see you say that  :(07:47
duzchipThat's Ubuntu-people for'ya :P07:47
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kuruI would like to gave gaim with encryption07:47
JoePenguinduzchip: I'm generally a nice person, but even I get annoyed sometimes :)07:47
kuruI can't seem to be able to install it without breaking the system07:48
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duzchipJoePengui: I guess most people do :P07:48
trey3kuru, which are you installing?07:48
neighborleetrey3, and thankfullly why we dont have that reputation ..whew07:48
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JoePenguinduzchip: I was looking at my ifconfig a moment ago and I was suprised to see that Ubuntu had ipv6 configured without me doing anything.07:49
kurutrey3: gaim-crypt or something07:49
duzchipJoePenguin: I think that Ubuntu is one of the few distros that's fighting to get IPv6 accepted and used07:50
kurutrey3, gaim-encryption_1.0.1+2.31-1_i386.deb07:50
duzchipJoePenguin: IPv6 still aint all developed but I think it should work just fine07:50
trey3kuru, there is another encryption plugin... tried that?07:51
trey3kuru, http://gaim-e.sourceforge.net/   <-- stronger encryption...07:52
zenroxinstall the dev of gaim then compile the gaim-encription plugin07:52
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trey3kuru, also... look into SILC... gaim has support for this... secure also...07:53
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kurutrey3: that one has that pluging07:55
kurutrey3: all I want is to jabber using encryption07:55
kurutrey3: is there an ubuntu package for that?07:55
kuruthat's all there is to it07:55
kuruI don't care who makes it or how07:55
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trey3kuru, for SILC? grrr... Gaim in Ubuntu doesn't seem to have compiled SILC support in  :/07:56
kurutrey3: so now when I install any other deb that breaks ubuntu (all it does is report brokeage) I can't install anything else without removing it07:57
kurueven though it doesn't _really_ break anything.. simply requires a package that isn't there (the package is there with 'ubuntu' affixed to the name whereas it's a debian pacakge so it doesn't have it)07:58
kuruand so it just sucks07:58
kuruubuntu should have the encrypted version07:58
kuruwho uses jabber without encryption anyway?07:58
trey3kuru, used to come with the encryption plugin.... I think they just don't compile it in?07:58
pertzAre there any ubuntu fans here who use to be die hard Debian people?07:59
trey3(or maybe fedora folks just compile it in... dunno..)07:59
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trey3pertz, yeah...07:59
kurupertz: people actually use fedora?07:59
MartokHey dudes, I have a question.07:59
MartokLOL, I used Fedora Core.07:59
trey3kuru, yes... its rather nice actually... but whatever... off subject..08:00
pertzI've been considering ubantu lately because I don't like running Debian unstable due to the lack of security support, and the stable version just isn't cutting it due to age.08:00
MartokI thought it was cool until I realized it was just a test bed for Redhat developers to try new stuff.08:00
kurupertz: I use ubuntu on my workstation and debian for my servers.08:00
trey3pertz, most security stuff is already in the packages in sid...08:01
pertzStill debian on the servers then?08:01
kurupertz: and some Gentoo thrown in there.. and a little bit of FreeBSD ;)08:01
MartokHey, does anybody know how play 2 sounds at the sametime?08:01
kurupertz: everyone's got a different way of seeing things. Depends on your requirements.08:01
trey3Martok, buy a decent sound card?  ;)08:01
Martoktrey3: No, it works in Windows.08:01
jdz_Martok: You need to use a sound daemon.  Like ESD :)08:02
MartokOk, I'll search for ESD.08:02
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MartokI hope it's easy to configure.08:02
pertzWell security is a have to, so unstable doesn't quite cut it (even though I've always claimed Debian's "unstable" was as good as anyone else's "stable", but it's getting to the point where I'm having to compile a lot of crap by hand and try and watch security updates myself while running stable. I know they're close to a release, but I anticipate being in the same situation again another 1-2 years from now....08:03
jdz_Martok: It's part of Gnome, so it should be install and working.  You'll just need to have whichever applications your using output to ESD instead of directly to ALSA or OSS08:03
trey3jdz_, if he's using Ubuntu (one can assume he is) ... esd is being used by default... and uhh, well - going by his question - its still not working  :/08:03
MartokYeah.08:03
MartokHow do I configure it?08:03
kurupertz: I think of Ubuntu as 'just another branch of Debian'08:03
kurupertz: it has yet to deviate from that08:03
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MartokI guess it doesn't work with my card?08:03
jdz_Martok: Which applications are you trying to get to play sound at the same time?08:04
kurupertz: so, if that's what you're looking for, Ubuntu is right for you.08:04
jdz_Martok: It should work with any card.  But an application might not be using ESD.08:04
MartokI want the Gnome sounds to play, but still beable to listen to music in XMMS.08:04
trey3pertz, seriously, most security updates are just backported from new packages... take into account that the devels use sid in most cases... you think they want security holes?08:04
kurupertz: and Debian's unstable is not as good as anyone's stable (unless you're talking MS).. it can get quite messy.08:04
jdz_Martok: Ah!  Right.  Go into XMMS's output settings.  There should be a drop-down box, select ESD08:04
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pertzWell, what's ubantu's equivalent of dselect? And how good it ubantu's attention to security?08:04
MartokOh, thank you.08:04
whiprushdselect, aptitude, and synaptic are all available08:05
crimsunpertz: you can use dselect if you wish.08:05
kurudselect is crap08:05
trey3kuru, I ran Debian Unstable for 4 years... rarely a huge issue...08:05
MartokOutput plugin?08:05
crimsunkuru: ...subjectively. :)08:05
pertzI've run unstable before too with really good results.08:05
randabishey someone see if this works08:05
randabishttp://67.10.177.213/mmpr2.ogg08:05
trey3pertz, dselect is even being deprecated in Debian in favor of Aptitude... Ubuntu comes with this...08:05
jdz_Martok: The basic theroy is you can only have one application outputting sound to the card at once (unless it has hardware mixing).  So to get mutiple applications, you need a sound daemon (like ESD) to do software mixing.  If an application tries to output directly to the sound card, it won't work.08:05
trey3s/this/both/08:06
pertzJust afraid to run it on a critical production box - I've kept it on the edges.08:06
MartokOh, ok.08:06
kurutrey3: sure.. but not on a server08:06
MartokSo is Gnome outputing directly?08:06
kurutrey3: that can cause havoc08:06
pertzYea, I know, they're phasing dselect :P08:06
kurutrey3: cause there have been times when it was _very_ unstable08:06
kurutrey3: broken pacakges, etc.08:06
kurutrey3: most of the time it's smooth08:06
jdz_Martok: ESD is outputting directly.  Everything else needs to output to ESD, which does the mixing.08:06
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crimsunhoary has had its share of zaniness as well.08:06
trey3kuru, apt-listbugs is your friend  :/08:06
kurutrey3: and you can certainly afford to do that on a workstation (I have always ran it on my workstation)08:07
MartokIs ESD eSound?08:07
whiprushyes08:07
kurutrey3: not enough.. what if you wanted a particular package.. something came up.. whatever.08:07
randabis:/08:07
trey3crimsun, only bad issue for me thus far was the menu's... and even that was workable...08:07
kurutrey3: this is not acceptable on a production level server.08:07
pertzUbantu doesn't track all of the packages debian does though right? And I'm guessing if I grabbed the debian version of one I'm suddently going to be looking at a lot of dependancy problems?08:07
kurupertz: yes, mostly due to package namings08:08
crimsunpertz: it's quite possible that you'll run into dependency issues.08:08
MartokOk, thanks jdz_, and trey3.08:08
kurupertz: so you might want to grab the debian source, modify, re-generate the .deb and install ;)08:08
jdz_pertz: You can enable Ubuntu's Universe, and get all of Debians packages08:08
kurutrey3: did you say gaim-e.sf.net ?08:08
jdz_pertz: Ubuntu doesn't support all of Debian's packages though, only the one's in Ubuntu's main.08:08
trey3kuru, yeah08:08
kurutrey3: can't find it08:09
pertzSo how good is their package coverage compared to debian? And does anyone know anything about progress on efforts to compile source packages on the fly to try to fix some of the versioning problems?08:09
kurunevermind08:09
trey3kuru, *shrug* copy and paste from the site  :/08:09
whiprushpertz: universe is basically the rest of debian compiled for ubuntu.08:09
jdz_pertz: Everything in Debian is in Ubuntu's universe. :)08:09
jdz_pertz: Enable universe and you'll be all set.08:09
trey3jdz_, not utterly true... for instance... no 'alsaconf'...08:10
pertzSo what does universe do? Just a translation between package names or something?08:10
crimsun(alsaconf was removed for being "mostly useless")08:10
jdz_trey3: interesting.  I did not know that.08:10
trey3pertz, Universe = Unsupported Free software...08:10
trey3pertz, Multiverse = Unsupported Non-Free software08:10
lyyhehe, this is so cool08:11
lyyall my programs are run in memory08:11
pertzOkay, but if it's pulling from debian packages that aren't supported by ubantu, what's going on with the dependancies?08:11
trey3crimsun, haha... bah... still, its not there... but is in Debian  :/08:11
lyyi still got 200 megs of ram left to use08:11
MartokDoes Synaptic have all the available packages from the Ubuntu repositories?08:11
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trey3pertz, they are met... just don't expect them to work... basically a frozen sid... so you're back where you started kinda...08:12
pertzSo it pretends they're met without checking?08:12
trey3pertz, warty = an ~3 month old Sid with patches etc for packages that are supported....08:13
trey3pertz, no... they are met...08:13
jdz_pertz: Basicly, Universe is a snapshot of Debian Sid at the time of release, with everything compiled to work with Ubuntu.08:13
pertzbut it's all straight out of frozen (or unstable later on?) without security patches or anything else?08:13
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trey3pertz, think of main contrib and non-free.... if you want something in non-free, it doesn't "pretend" its there if its not enabled... simular response... its still apt-get  :/08:14
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pertzSo all of the packages are recompiled, just not checked or something in the universe?08:15
trey3pertz, Security Updates are _only_ made to the software that is in main and restricted08:15
pertzOkay.08:15
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pertzWhat's restricted?08:15
trey3(restricted = non-free supported... basically hardware drivers etc)08:15
pertzAh.08:15
trey3pertz, knew you would ask  :P08:15
jdz_Not every package can be supported by Ubuntu directly, because there are so damn many.  That doesn't mean the ones in Universe won't work though.  Infact I've never had proublems with Universe so far.08:16
pertzSo at the end of the day, ubantu is the next step up from running debian frozen (or unstable), but still doesn't quite go all the way to the top?08:16
trey3pertz, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view  <-- read, and keep in mind concept of main contrib and non-free in Debian...08:17
jdz_Well, with Ubuntu, your garanteed 6 month releases AND all the packages avabale in Debian.08:17
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bob2well, most of them08:18
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trey3jdz_, thats _never_ a good thing on a server  :/08:18
bob2and debian main (which gets security support) is a lot bigger than ubuntu's supported suite08:18
jdz_debian main is also something like 3 years old eh.08:19
trey3bob2, yes... but its not garenteed that sid security patches are actually in those packages though...08:19
bob2trey3: sure08:19
bob2I'm talking about stable.08:19
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trey3bob2, eh... sid packages get the same security stuff... they just don't seperate it out...08:20
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=== trey3 has read many Changelog's that prove this point 8)
calamarihi08:21
trey3calamari, hi08:21
bob2trey3: er, no08:21
bob2they get seperate uploads08:21
calamariis there a way I can pause booting so I can read the messages before they scroll off?08:21
pertzCan ubantu do a text only install or is it married to the graphics gui now?08:21
setitewhat is a good thing for a noob to read that tells you all abotu linux?08:21
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calamariI've tried using shift-pgup, but eventually it goes off the scrollback08:21
bob2pertz: you mean "can the installed system be text-only?"?08:22
trey3pertz, it only does text still... its debian-installer  :/08:22
setitethis kid doesnt know anything... what DOS is, MBR, etc....08:22
calamariand also shift-pgup stops working once it gets to the ubuntu login prompt08:22
bob2setite: I hear o'reilly's "linux in a nutshell" is good08:22
crimsunsetite: ora.com has articles and various books.08:22
trey3pertz, 'custom' to edit package selection etc...08:22
whiprushcalamari: look in /var/log/dmesg08:22
pertzAnything linux oriented written by o'reilly tends to be good.08:22
poningruhey how do I turn on 3dnow and sse in my atholon, for some reason its not enabled08:23
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bob2trey3: no08:23
poningruanyone?08:23
bob2poningru: I'm 99% sure it's not possible to disable08:23
trey3bob2, oh... only person I recognize in #kubuntu :o08:24
crimsunponingru: look in the flags of /proc/cpuinfo08:24
calamariis there a way tofind out whether ide disk support is a module or built into the kernel?08:24
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bob2calamari: it's a module in ubuntu kernels08:24
calamariaha08:24
crimsuncalamari: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK08:24
trey3calamari, you can look through /boot/config-`uname -r`08:24
poningruok08:24
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calamarithats probably why I can't boot from these boot disks then08:25
calamariwonder whose bright idea that was.. hehe08:25
poningruoh heh08:25
poningruit is flagged08:26
poningruhmm08:26
bob2the ubuntu disks use an initrd to avoid that08:26
bob2poningru: why do you think it's disabled?08:26
calamarithe initrd is 4mb .. way too big for a floppy08:26
bob2then you need a custom kernel08:26
pertzDoes universe pull from more sources than just Debian?08:26
bob2no08:26
trey3calamari, default kernels are build to the lowest common denominator... having it built in would probably upset people who don't need it?08:26
bob2well, "99.99% no"08:26
trey3calamari, I don't really see why having it as a module would break booting from a bootdisk though  :/08:27
bob2trey3: some drivers conflict when built in, too08:27
trey3bob2, that too...08:27
pertzOkay, didn't think they'd be wiring up anything new there, but that page made it sound like a distinct possibility.08:27
poningrubob: I dont know, I saw it in some conf file and it wasnt enabled08:27
trey3pertz, multiverse does... universe is only the rest of Debian though...08:28
pertzSo, how good are the distro sites for ubantu (frequently available, frequently crammed, only issue around release time, always easily accessable, etc.?)08:28
calamaritrey3: dunno either.. but I saw this page: http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2004/09/msg00574.html08:28
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calamaritrey3: thats the exact error I get (the bottom one), when I try to boot08:29
calamari(from the boot disk)08:29
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bob2poningru: what conf file?08:29
Local_manubuntu runs badly on a 200 mhz system with 64 mb ram08:30
trey3calamari, is /boot located on /dev/hda1?08:30
poningrudont remember08:30
poningrulet me look08:30
calamaritrey3: yes08:30
trey3calamari, uhh... that error disagrees...08:30
bob2Local_man: no08:30
pertz*Ignores the 200mhz 64MB box next to him running Debian...08:30
bob2Local_man: gnome will run badly on that08:30
poningrubob2: ah nm it wasnt a conf file08:30
Local_manisee08:30
poningruit was the error I got when starting the mplayer08:30
pertzOf course I hate X too so....08:30
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Local_manice better?08:31
trey3calamari, using ext308:31
trey3?08:31
poningru3DNow supported but disabled08:31
poningru3DNowExt supported but disabled08:31
poningruCPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 008:31
poningruCompiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 SSE SSE208:31
calamaritrey3: ext208:31
trey3calamari, shouldn't be issue (although why is a good question..)08:31
calamaritrey3: why what? :)08:31
trey3calamari, why no journel...08:32
poningrubob: this is from cpuinfo08:32
poningruflags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mp mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow08:32
lyyi'm having a hard time making mplayer work on ubuntu08:32
calamaritrey3: I was afraid to use a journaling fs because I remember hearing lots of reports of file corruptions from them08:32
poningruyeah me too08:32
poningrulyy08:32
calamaritrey3: maybe they are better now.. hehe08:32
lyyponingru: to tell you the truth, all i care about is, music and movies08:32
Local_maniprefer fs myself..08:32
poningrucalamari: I heard reiser4 has dealt with those now08:33
crimsunlyy: what cpu do you have, and which mplayer- package do you have installed?08:33
pertzext3 has been good to me so far and I've been running it on several different boxes for a while now.08:33
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bob2poningru: so your mplayer was poorly compiled08:33
bob2poningru: install mplayer-k708:33
lyycrimsun: i have an p3 intel pent08:33
poningruah ok08:33
crimsunlyy: you need mplayer-68608:33
poningrulet me try again08:33
lyycrimsun: ok08:33
pertzSo, how good are the distro sites for ubantu (frequently available, frequently crammed, only issue around release time, always easily accessable, etc.?)08:33
trey3calamari, thats kinda the point of a journel... to try to fix file curruption...08:33
Local_mani need to format a small hard drive... would like 2 partitions plus a hard drive... should i make the root partitipon larg or /usr?08:34
lyycrimsun: what repo will give that?08:34
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crimsunlyy: for warty or hoary?08:34
trey3lyy, marillats w32codecs (guilty party most of the time when people say mplayer isn't working) is b0rked right now  :/08:35
Local_mani mean swap partition.. not hard drive08:35
lyyi don't know08:35
calamaritrey3: anyhow.. I know /boot is on /dev/hda1 because everything is on /dev/hda1, and swap is /dev/hda2 :)08:35
bob2crimsun: -686 is not going to have 3dnow support08:35
crimsunbob2: right, but lyy has a pentium 308:35
lyyi'll try anything08:35
trey3calamari, hmm... then you have bigger issues  :/08:35
calamaritrey3: not really.. boots fine from the hard drive08:35
lyysoon i'll have to try rm -rf /08:35
randabisyou COULD just get w32codecs from the mplayer site...you just have to put them in /usr/lib/win32/08:36
lyyifall else fails08:36
topyliwhen a new user logs into gnome, he gets notified about .xmodmap but not stuff like .xinitrc or .xsession :(08:36
crimsunlyy: what does /etc/issue tell you regarding the ubuntu version?08:36
calamarisad to hear that I have to do a kernel recompile to get a decent boot disk, though08:36
bob2crimsun: erk, sorry08:36
trey3calamari, uhh... replace menu.lst on floppy with menu.lst on hd?08:36
lyyReading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf08:36
lyyIllegal instruction08:36
pertzAnyway, I've got a new box coming in in a few days that isn't critical, I think I'll take ubantu for a spin and see where it takes me.08:36
crimsunlyy: dpkg -l mplayer-\*|grep ^ii08:37
calamaritrey3: huh?08:37
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poningruI dont have to reboot my comp for reinstallation do I?08:37
ficusplanetDoes anyone know if the hal/cups integration from fedora will make it into hoary?08:37
jdubficusplanet: it won't08:37
trey3calamari, what don't you understand?08:37
jdubficusplanet: hopefully next release08:37
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calamaritrey3: what does this line mean "calamari, uhh... replace menu.lst on floppy with menu.lst on hd?"08:38
lyycrimsun: ii  mplayer-custom 1.0-pre5-0.6ub The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux08:38
calamaritrey3: or are you referring to a grub boot disk?08:38
ficusplanetjdub, OK. Thanks.  Also along the lines of hardware "just working," are you guys changing netapplet at all?08:39
trey3calamari, umm... that is a grub error... you said thats the issue... so bootdisk has grub  :/08:39
crimsunlyy: that's why you're getting an illegal instruction error. You need to remove 'mplayer-custom' and install 'mplayer-686'.08:39
Local_mani got the live CD stuck in the floppy drive.. but it still sticks out far enough to use as a cup holder.. question is.. will it hold a full 20 oz cappacino?08:39
jdubficusplanet: netapplet, yes. not networkmanager.08:39
trey3which would make sense... as most linux bootdisks these days have grub...08:39
lyycrimsun: ok. know where i can get mplayer-686 aside from googling for it?08:39
calamaritrey3: I made the boot disk myself using syslinux08:39
ficusplanetjdub, Yeah, I heard of that decision.  Will netapplet be made into an actual applet and cleaned up, etc., though?08:39
crimsunlyy: the same place you got 'mplayer-custom'.08:40
lyycrimsun: i used synaptic08:40
jdubficusplanet: most likely, yes.08:40
crimsunlyy: (presuming you used debian-marillat and sh.nu)08:40
lyyi didn't see a mplayer-686 there08:40
poningrugah08:40
crimsunlyy: see /wiki/RestrictedFormats08:40
lyyok08:40
poningrubob: this is the error I still get08:40
poningruCPU: Advanced Micro Devices Athlon MP/XP Thoroughbred 1060 MHz (Family: 6, Stepping: 1)08:40
poningruDetected cache-line size is 64 bytes08:40
poningru3DNow supported but disabled08:40
poningru3DNowExt supported but disabled08:40
poningruCPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 008:40
poningruCompiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 SSE SSE208:40
poningruReading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf08:40
poningruIllegal instruction08:40
poningrusorry for the flood guys08:41
lyyponingru: that's what i got too08:41
ficusplanetjdub, Excellent.  Thanks a lot.  Ubuntu has been wonderful so far.08:41
lyyif you figure it08:41
crimsunponingru: same thing. You need 'mplayer-k7', not 'mplayer-custom'.08:41
lyyponingru: if you figure it out let me know08:41
Local_mandoes ubuntu support duron processors?08:41
HrdwrBoBLocal_man: yes08:41
poningruyeah but if I try to get mplayer-k708:41
poningruit doesnt let me install it through the synaptic package manager08:41
poningrusigh let me try again08:42
trey3crimsun, -k7 is deprecated... just tell them -k6 ...08:42
crimsunlyy: / poningru: please read /wiki/RestrictedFormats and pay particular attention to the section regarding debian-marillat's repo being updated.08:42
neighborleek gents cross fingers and toe fo rme..im almost done apt-get upgrading into hoary..08:42
crimsuntrey3: 10-408:42
Local_mani need to use a 2.4 kernel to use my winmodem.. can i use one on Warty?08:43
poningruoh okay08:43
poningruthank you crimsun08:43
poningrudidnt see that08:43
trey3still says depends -k6 here?08:43
jdz_Local_man: No, ubuntu uses 2.6 kernels08:43
Local_manok ty08:44
randabisyou can use 2.4 kernels with it I thought...08:44
Local_mandebian kernels?08:44
lyyso howdo i remove a package?08:44
jdz_randabis: from what I understand, that would break a lot of stuff.  for example, udev.08:44
lyyor how do i verify that a package was removed?08:44
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jdz_lyy: open up Synaptic (the graphical package manager) and search for it :D08:45
MacbethI am having a problem configuring network settings for ubuntu on my inspiron 8000 laptop. If anyone's not busy, perhaps they could help an ubunu newbie :)08:45
randabishmm08:46
Local_mandoes ubuntu install wvdial?08:47
trey3Local_man, yes08:47
trey3Local_man, ps... I see 2.4 kernels... unsupported though...08:47
Local_manoh  ok great thank you08:48
jdz_trey3: I think they are left over from debian, and again, it will break a lot of stuff.  be warned.08:48
trey3jdz_, yes... but its what he asked for  :/08:49
Local_mani'll try it08:49
Macbethhe wants to break stuff.08:49
trey3(and mainly... g-v-m will be broken... thats about it...08:49
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duncanmhello08:50
duncanmwhen i apt-get dist-upgrade, i keep on seeing08:50
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duncanmSetting up python2.4-xml (0.8.4-1ubuntu1) ...08:50
duncanmupdate-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/xmlproc_parse corrupt: missing newline after manflag08:50
duncanmdpkg: error processing python2.4-xml (--configure):08:50
duncanm subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 208:50
duncanmdpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of python-xml:08:50
duncanmhow do i deal with that?08:50
duncanm python-xml depends on python2.4-xml (>= 0.8.4-1ubuntu1); however:08:50
duncanm  Package python2.4-xml is not configured yet.08:51
bob2sure your disk is ok?08:52
duncanmyeah08:52
duncanmwhy is that a problem?08:52
duncanmhow can i trigger it to redownload?08:52
duncanmi was low on disk earlier, but i installed a new disk, so i'm good now08:52
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trey3duncanm, if you have a spare disc around... I'd recommend downloading an hoary image...08:53
duncanmhrm08:54
duncanmwell08:54
bob2trey3: how would that help?08:54
duncanmi have it running hoary now08:54
trey3duncanm, python transition is kinda painful...08:54
bob2please don't advise people to do that sort of thing08:54
Local_mancan two versions of linux share partitions?08:54
bob2Local_man: for swap and home, yes08:54
trey3Local_man, yes08:54
bob2Local_man: not for /, tho08:54
neighborleehey guys..i'm going to hoary..was it okay that I just did 'upgrade' or should I have done dist-upgrade ????08:54
bob2duncanm: reinstall whatever package the corrupt file is from08:54
stuNNedanyone use mutt?08:54
trey3neighborlee, dist-upgrade08:54
bob2neighborlee: things won't get upgraded with upgrade08:54
duncanmbob2: apt-get reinstall <foo> ?08:54
Local_mani see.. because i have mandrake running a 2.4 kernel08:54
bob2stuNNed: it's best to ask specific questions...08:54
trey3duncanm, apt-get install --reinstall08:55
duncanmsudo apt-get -f --reinstall install  python2.4-xml08:55
stuNNedbob2: sorry, how to invoke the pager in mutt?08:55
duncanmi tried that08:55
bob2duncanm: right08:55
bob2duncanm: it won't install at all?08:55
neighborleebob2: i take it im safe to do dist-upgrade then after having done regular upgrade ? ;(08:55
lyycrimsun: thanks for the link. i'm trying to install now08:55
bob2neighborlee: yes08:55
neighborleek thx08:55
bob2neighborlee: as safe as either by themselves are?08:55
bob2stuNNed: how do you mean?08:55
neighborleeheh08:55
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duncanmbob2: well, the problem is with, python-xml python2.3-xml python2.4-xml08:56
lyyponingru: how's it going ? you got mplayer-686 installed?08:56
duncanmbob2: so maybe i need to do it in some special order08:56
duncanmit's probably deprecated one over another, isn't it?08:56
trey3duncanm, dpkg -P python2.3-xml and try again...08:56
duncanmi can't get it to redownload, though08:56
Local_manok  how would you partition a 4 gig hd for running both ubuntu and mandrake?08:56
duncanmdpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of python2.3-xml:08:57
duncanm python2.3-reportlab depends on python2.3-xml.08:57
duncanmdpkg: error processing python2.3-xml (--purge):08:57
duncanm dependency problems - not removing08:57
stuNNedbob2: using abook i have in .muttrc: macro pager A |'abook --add-email'\n  ..but i don't know how to access it08:57
trey3duncanm, get rid of all the python2.3 crap...08:57
bob2duncanm: you'll need to pass --force-depends to it08:57
bob2trey3: dude, stop giving out terrible advice08:57
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stuNNedbob2: or use it rather08:57
trey3bob2, python2.3 is gone from hoary...08:57
duncanmbob2: so, i'll listen to you,08:57
trey3bob2, he is using hoary...08:57
duncanmbob2: force-depends goes where?08:58
bob2trey3: er, look again08:58
bob2duncanm: dpkg -P --force-depends python2.4-xml08:58
bob2stuNNed: hit A and it will run that command, piping the message to it08:59
stuNNedbob2: it says it's not bound08:59
duncanmRemoving python2.4-xml ...08:59
duncanmupdate-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/xmlproc_parse corrupt: missing newline after manflag08:59
trey3dpkg -l | grep 'python2.3'  <-- returns nothing...08:59
duncanmnope08:59
duncanmit's the same error08:59
stuNNedbob2: Key is not bound.  Press '?' for help.08:59
trey3bob2, without ' 's I get only 2.4 stuff...08:59
trey3bob2, fresh hoary install...09:00
Local_mandoes gnome help have a glossary?09:00
stuNNedbob2: buwhahahahah figured it out :D09:01
duncanmLocal_man: what do you want to know about GNOME?09:01
bob2stuNNed: you almost certainly mean: macro pager A '| blah'09:01
bob2trey3: well, I don't know what you did, but python2.3 is most certainly in hoary at the moment09:01
duncanmbob2: so, what can i do to fix this?09:01
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trey3bob2, its not installed by default from the daily images...09:02
duncanmhrm09:02
bob2trey3: indeed09:02
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duncanmlooks like it's solved now09:02
duncanmwoohoo09:02
duncanmbob2: i have one more question09:02
trey3bob2, hence saying he should remove... easiest way to resolve his issue...09:02
duncanmi'm still running the 2.6.8 kernel09:02
jdz_stuNNed: It looks like Dashboard supports irssi, so I think beagle would too :D09:02
trey3bob2, sorry if thats not the best option... but certainly not worst possible...09:03
duncanmbob2: i have 2.6.10 installed, but when i boot, i think it's not loading the modules, so it couldn't see my XFS root partition09:03
bob2trey3: how would that resolve his issue?09:03
bob2duncanm: you're using the ubuntu kernel?09:03
duncanmbob2: yes09:03
trey3bob2, python2.3 stuff was conflicting from what I read?09:03
bob2trey3: I didn't see that anywhere09:03
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bob2duncanm: they use initrds, if your bootloader isn't configured to use it, you won't be able to boot one at all09:03
bob2duncanm: are you using the defaulr grub config?09:04
duncanmbob2: i have always been using the ubuntu kernels, though09:04
duncanmyeah09:04
duncanmi haven't changed a thing09:04
duncanmi dunno how to use debian at all, so i just slapped it on the machine at home and didn't really do much to it09:04
trey3bob2, ahh... I think that was just him guessing... imma shut up now09:04
duncanmoccasionally, i run apt-get upgrade, that's it...09:04
trey3bob2, 'duncanm bob2: well, the problem is with, python-xml python2.3-xml python2.4-xml'   :/09:05
trey3I just saw the last part  :/09:05
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trey3sorry09:05
bob2duncanm: hrm.  it should work.09:05
duncanmi thought so09:05
duncanmis there a way to reconfigure the kernel package?09:06
gnuyenhi09:06
gnuyeni installed gstreamer-0.8-mad09:06
trey3duncanm, sure... thats almost certainly not what you actually want to do though...09:06
gnuyenand rhythm box still doesn't show my mp3s09:06
bob2duncanm: there's nothing to reconfigure, really09:06
duncanmi remember it asking me some questions09:06
duncanmi didn't pay much attention09:06
gnuyenis there something else i have to do?09:06
trey3gnuyen, that should be it...09:07
duncanmsomething to do with the directory already being there, etc09:07
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duncanmi have both the normal kernel installed as well as the SMB one09:07
duncanmSMP09:07
gnuyenhmm09:07
gnuyeni guess i'll keep lookin09:07
duncanmbob2: i'm thinking of just triggering a redownload/reinstall, maybe the last installation was borked09:09
duncanmi was low on disk then09:09
lyyhow do i manually install without synaptic?09:10
lyyfrom the cache09:10
trey3lyy, you mean apt-get? or synaptic? or dpkg -i?09:11
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duncanmthanks guy09:11
duncanmguys09:11
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trey3lyy, 'apt-get install pkg' 'synaptic install pkg' and 'dpkg -i pkg'09:11
lyyi gues dpkg -i09:11
trey3uhh... s/synaptic/aptitude/09:12
trey3haha09:12
lyyis there a forceful install?09:12
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trey3lyy, dpkg --force-help09:13
poningruyeah because when you attempt to instal mplayer-k609:13
poningruit says there arent .... libs09:13
poningrubut I know I have those libs09:13
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trey3poningru, you using testing or unstable from marillat? what version of hoary?09:16
trey3s/hoary/ubuntu/09:16
poningruum09:17
lyythere, got that crazy binary in there09:17
poningrulet me check09:17
lyyhehe09:17
lyydo it with force poningru09:17
lyywho cares if the system is unstable09:17
trey3lyy, good job  :)09:17
lyyit's crap anyway09:17
lyyi'm here to learn09:17
poningruum how do I check?09:17
trey3lyy, >.<09:17
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lyyso best way to learn is to use it without worries09:17
trey3poningru, haha... you just took it from the faqs?09:18
lyyponingru: did you get the mplayer working yet?09:18
poningruno09:18
lyyi got it working09:18
lyyok, goto /etc/apt/09:18
lyyopen up yoru sources.list and add in these lines09:18
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lyyponingru: actually 2 lines09:19
lyydeb http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./09:19
lyydeb http://apt.cerkinfo.be/ unstable main contrib non-free09:19
lyythen as root, type apt-get update09:19
lyyand then run your synaptic and search for mplayer09:19
poningrutrey: 2.4?09:19
poningruerr nm09:19
lyyremove all mplayer listings you find completely09:19
trey3lyy, Crimsun's packages contain plugins?09:19
lyyand then install the mplayer-68609:20
lyyponingru: and then it will work09:20
trey3eh... actually can't... plugins are like 10megs... those are all barely above 3  :/09:20
poningruhmm09:20
lyytrey3: works for me. i can watch my movies now09:21
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poningrutrey: here we go 4.109:22
trey3lyy, hmm... w32codecs is in cerk... k...09:22
poningrulyy let me try those09:22
lyytrey3: cerk?09:22
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lyynever heard of cerk09:22
trey3lyy, grrr... cerkinfo... look at the url  :/09:23
poningrulyy your second url09:23
poningruthat is the cerk repository09:23
lyyponingru: oh09:23
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lyyponingru: hmm..it doesn't player some files09:26
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michael25anyone able to help me?09:26
michael25I just installed for the first time and I have display problems09:26
trey3crimsun, why does mplayer-nogui depend xmms?  :(09:27
lyympgs are ok09:27
lyyi'm not sure if wmv works09:27
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poningrulyy: all you had to do was download win32 codecs09:29
poningrunvm09:29
poningrulet me try it your way09:29
lyyponingru: thatdoesn't work09:31
lyyponingru: you have to compile the codecs into it09:31
spocksterneed help with ma111 wireless usb adapter  anyone?09:31
lyyponingru: however xine works that way09:31
lyygood night guys09:33
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poningrumichael: whats the prob?09:34
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crimsuntrey3: xmms plugin support, I presume. Would you rather they be disabled? If so, let me know, because the same should be applied to the packages in 'hoary/multiverse'.09:41
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knghtbrdcrimsun: why would one need to depend on XMMS if one provides a plugin for it?09:52
crimsunknghtbrd: Build-Depends on xmms-dev.09:53
knghtbrdthat's fine09:53
knghtbrdI was talking runtime09:53
knghtbrdif trey wasn't, ...09:54
crimsunI'll look at it later.09:54
crimsunit's a straight port from hoary/multiverse. I only tweaked what was necessary to make it build against Warty's packages.09:54
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spiralhi10:07
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MainVoidit.... is... quiiiiiiet here today.....10:08
HrdwrBoBMainVoid: it ebbs and flows10:09
spiralMainVoid: maybe are they working ?10:09
Agrajagquiet, you'll wake the sleeping Cthulhu in the corner10:09
MainVoidLOL10:09
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MainVoidspiral: work? what's that? ;)10:10
spiralMainVoid: dunno :-p10:11
spiralhmmm... anyone here know if ppracer is to be integrated in hoary ?10:12
carambolis realplayer10 working in hoary?10:17
caramboli dont get sound (bbc.com)10:17
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sangriagI posted a bug and a problem at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=54708#post5470810:23
sangriagDoes someone know how to handle the situation?10:24
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HrdwrBoBhangon10:27
HrdwrBoBreadingit10:27
MainVoidsangriag: u have *16* partitions??10:27
sangriagyes10:27
HrdwrBoBI would recommend against that :)10:27
MainVoidsangriag: right.. so my first question then is, can u get me output from mount from both FC1 and ubuntu64?10:27
HrdwrBoBI stick to one partition per OS preferably10:27
MainVoidHrdwrBoB: so would I.. ;)10:27
sangriagyes10:28
carambolis realplayer10 working with Hoary?10:28
HrdwrBoBand I think ubuntu uses a different default uid to fc10:28
MainVoidsangriag: it'd be interesting to see which partition gets mounted in FC1 for /home and respectively in U64..10:29
sangriagHrdwrbob and mainvoid, I used to do the same but I got into two accidents in the past while compiling when I was with a single partition. There was no space and everything garbled10:29
sangriag:-(10:29
sangriagOkay10:29
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sangriagYou can get the shared partition and ubuntu64 at the above URL10:29
MainVoidsangriag: well, that tells me how you *wanted* it to be.. ;) Not how it ended up being.. ;)10:30
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MainVoidsangriag: just wanna confirm how things stand..10:30
sangriagand about FC1 I mounted /boot to /dev/hda3, / to /hda9, /var to /hda12, /usr to /hdb1510:31
sangriagAnd the /swap, /tmp and /home are shared10:32
MainVoidsangriag: there's, like HrdwrBoB pointed out, another issue to remember as well... UID's ...10:32
MainVoidsangriag: the same users would have to have the same UID's and GID's in both distro's..10:32
MainVoidsangriag: or you'd run into permissions issues...10:33
sangriagBut the problem is with X now10:33
sangriagnot default IDs10:33
MainVoidsangriag: that is however another thing to think of and not primary at the moment..10:33
sangriagelse I can link the /home to somewhere else?10:33
sangriagSince it is Debian based, it was doing fine earlier10:33
sangriagwith Debian, I meant10:34
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Ng16 partitions for 3 distros! :o10:34
sangriagYea10:35
Ngthat's quite an interesting test for the installer ;)10:35
MainVoidsangriag: I'd probably only share the swap partition to be quite honest with you....10:35
MainVoidNg: just consider the implications it would give having differing UID's and GID's.. ;)10:35
NgMainVoid: that's not too hard to work around, but yeah10:36
sangriagBut the only way to share your personal data is to share the /home also so that you do not have to reenter your personal information each time you change distro and save space too10:36
spiralisn't it possible for him to change uids & gids in order for them to match between distros ?10:36
Ngspiral: yes10:36
NgI have a shared /home10:36
spiralNg: :-)10:36
MainVoidSo, how to solve this one then?10:37
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sangriagFirst problem is caused by the messy installer which whined me for two days and I forcefully installed and no X at the end (it is not only my single case, I read other threads also).10:37
MainVoidsangriag: does X report any errors to it's error log?10:37
sangriagnone.10:38
MainVoidsangriag: output to screen?10:38
sangriageven startx says no such commands available10:38
sangriagnone10:38
Ngdo you have the ubuntu-desktop package installed?10:39
sangriagI installed X and configure it manually as I didn't see any xserver installed10:39
Ngthat ought to depend on enough stuff to give you a complete X install10:39
Ngstartx is in xbase-clients10:39
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MainVoidyeah, sure sounds like u missed a few packages perhaps...10:39
sangriagdoes ubuntu have a different command to start X?10:39
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Ngnormally it starts X with gdm10:40
sangriagmeaning the installer is messy10:40
MainVoidit would be very interesting to see if there was any logfiles saved from the installer...10:40
sangriaggdm is also not there10:40
Nginstall ubuntu-desktop10:40
sangriagwait, let me check10:41
MainVoidsangriag: out of interest, can u `ls -ltr /usr/X11R6/bin/startx` ??10:41
Ngsangriag: you should post a bug about the installer issue(s) to the ubuntu bugzilla - the forum is unofficial, so it won't be seen by the developers. well, it might be, but bugzilla is the correct place for bug reports :)10:41
=== MainVoid have a feeling the number of partitions caused the installer to get headaches..
NgMainVoid: it kinda seems that way, although it should be able to handle an arbitrary number fine10:42
MainVoidNg: yeah, I'm thinking it is something along those lines..10:42
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MainVoidNg: I tend to only have primary partitions and max 4 of those on x86..10:43
MainVoidNg: since I have seen very odd things happen otherwise..10:43
MainVoidNg: it *should* work, but should ad does r 2 different things, I'm afraid.. ;)10:43
sangriagNg I wrote directly to the developers and they said they are not using amd64 ;-)10:44
sangriagMainvoid no startx in the directory10:44
NgI got errors from the installer when I told it to mount my existing /home, but it wasn't the error sangriag got and ignoring it worked fine ;)10:44
Ngsangriag: they do, you need to report the bug in the bugzilla and mark it for the amd64 platform10:44
NgI have a number of bugs in there myrself :)10:44
Ngand if you search for amd64 in the bugzilla you'll see there are plenty10:45
MainVoidsangriag: thought it may not be, was just curious.... sounds like u r missing packages then..10:45
sangriagwhat is the URL of the ubuntu bugzilla?10:46
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pvhDoes ubuntu ship with a repartitioning tool?10:47
Ngthere's parted, which is fairly good10:47
sangriagpvh a hopeless one.10:47
Ngsangriag: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/10:47
Ngparted isn't hopeless, the installer partition handling tool just isn't that great10:48
pvhwhat should i install then? i'd prefer something nice and graphical which installs into my "computer" menu10:48
=== MainVoid dreams....
Ngparted isn't graphical, although there is qtparted in universe, which is the KDE frontend10:48
sangriagdo fdisk10:49
Ngfor some reason gparted doesn't seem to be there10:49
Ngfdisk isn't a repartitioner10:49
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=== MainVoid happy, my fav mag just arrived! yay!
pvhi have already freed the space, in this case, but i would like a nice tool which can resize partitions and the like.10:50
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Ngpvh: as far as I know parted or qtparted are your only option, but there might be another one hiding in there somewhere ;)10:50
sangriagNg: thanks, when I try to install ubuntu-desktop it just asks to insert the warty CD and when installed it said failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com.ubuntu/.....<packagenames> and at the end Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing10:50
pvhNg: Thanks.10:51
MainVoidsangriag: from that URL, it seems ur sources.list may be screwed, just slightly....10:51
Ngsangriag: are you using apt-get or synaptic atm? If you're using apt-get do an "apt-get update" and if you're using Synaptic click the Reload button, you probably just need new package listings10:51
sangriagpvh, go for qtpated then10:51
MainVoidsangriag: that last ubuntu should be after the /10:51
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sangriagapt-get Ng10:53
pvhNg: Do I need to worry about umounting my hda here?10:53
IMAlberthmm10:54
Ngpvh: you certainly don't want to be moving/resizing partitions that you have mounted10:54
pvhThis is just free space.10:54
Ngthat's ok, so long as you don't change the partitions that are in use10:54
MainVoidpvh: if u r not using those mount points, unmount them...10:55
IMAlbertI have a related concern.10:55
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MainVoidpvh: if u do change a part u r using, u may loose data, in worst case...10:55
pvhNow, I don't mean to rag on qtparted, but it's really, really stupid to allow the user to do something that can destroy the partition they're using.10:56
MainVoidIMAlbert: what is ur concern?10:56
sangriagNg, apt-get update gives the similar temporary error with no such files or directory and "Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead"10:56
MainVoidpvh: loose data is my std disclaimer.. I'm overly cautious..10:56
pvhI mean, why not just prompt the user with "This partition must be unmounted before committing."10:57
Ngpvh: to be fair, qtparted isn't in the main section of ubuntu, it's in universe, which means it's not officially an ubuntu supported package. I'm sure that in hoary or the one after they'll have a nice gparted interface with safe warnings and stuff10:57
Ngsangriag: /msg me your /etc/apt/sources.list10:57
pvhNg: It's no insult towards ubuntu.10:57
pvhNg: It's just an example of poor software engineering.10:57
pvhNg: One of the first laws of user interface design is don't let people walk off cliffs.10:58
pvhNg: Right?10:58
Ngpvh: indeed10:58
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MainVoidpvh: create a bug at their site then for this.. ;)10:58
pvhNg: By the way, your alias rocks YT's world.10:58
Ngpvh: nice :D10:58
MainVoidpvh: I do agree with u there as well...10:58
pvhNg: Good idea. I'm on it.10:58
Ngpvh: not many people get the reference ;)10:58
MainVoidpvh: UI design is something most developers don't know enough about..10:59
IMAlbertIf your install is at the middle/end of the disk, can you go back and remove/resize partitions at the beginning of the disk without the who partition table collapsing?10:59
pvhMainVoid: Ignorance is no defense!10:59
pvh:P10:59
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MainVoidLOL10:59
sangriagNg it was a default one with http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu and httoP://security.ubunut.com/ubuntu10:59
pvhI mean, it's one thing to delete without asking.10:59
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pvhThe best part was the error message it through while it was working:10:59
pvhError: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted!  You should e2fsck.  Modifying an unclean filesystem could cause severe corruption.11:00
NgIMAlbert: if you have a partitioning tool to do it, yes. ubuntu doesn't currently have a simple, graphical one though11:00
IMAlbertwhole11:00
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pvhI mean... Come on. Either be sure you aren't destroying the data, or don't do it!11:00
Ngsangriag: can you actually paste it to me? what you just wrote there has at least two typos in it ;)11:00
pvhAnyway, sorry about hte rant.11:00
pvhThanks for the heads up.11:00
MainVoidpvh: yup, totally agree there with you..11:00
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pvhAnother novice question: How do I assign this partition a mountpoint in ubuntu?11:01
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F4rmDoes anyone know how to setup an openvpn client?  I was given a .key .csr and client.conf file by our network admin11:01
MainVoidpvh: man fstab11:01
F4rmI have no clue how to set this up11:01
sangriagI am using a different computer than the one in which there is ubuntu6411:01
b_e_n_zF4rm, http://openvpn.sf.net11:01
pvhMainVoid: Thanks. I figured it would probably be fstab.11:01
sangriagIs there a pastebot, Ng?11:02
MainVoidpvh: u can prob copy an existing line, and change the obvious bits, and most likely it'll work..11:02
F4rmb_e_n_z, I'm clueless I've tried figuring it out from that page11:02
MainVoidpvh: unless u wanna do something fancy.. ;)11:02
MainVoidpvh: it is fairly straight forward tho..11:02
pvhMainVoid: and applying the changes?11:03
Ngsangriag: you should be able to use "/query Ng" to get a window just to me and paste it there, or you could use http://pastebin.ca11:03
MainVoidpvh: mount <newly created mount point>11:03
MainVoidpvh: u do need to create the mount point first too.. i.e. create a dir where u want to mount the new part.11:04
pvhMainVoid: Got that already, but thanks.11:04
MainVoidpvh: kewl, half way there then.. ;)11:04
MunDy`my Ubuntu doesn't work =(11:04
pvhMainVoid: I think the biggest weakness of Linux is that it's almost impossible to figure out.11:04
MainVoidlol11:04
sangriagNg, I am using gaim ;-)11:04
sangriagnot xchat right now11:04
pvhMainVoid: And by that I mean that you can't just go in and start looking for what you need on your system.11:05
MainVoidpvh: nah, it's biggest weakness is that there is soooo much documentation, and not enough guidance..11:05
sangriagI will paste the enabled servers in pastebin.ca11:05
MainVoidpvh: yup, know what u mean... it is not intuitive enough for most ppl, tho it is getting there..11:05
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MainVoidpvh: much better these days then it was initially....11:05
pvhMainVoid: That's the nice thing about windows/osx. If you want to reformat a drive, you can go poke through your system and things are sorted into various areas.11:06
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pvhMainVoid: Good luck recognizing 'parted' in /usr/bin11:06
sangriagNg, now it worked, I forgot to masq11:06
Ngpvh: it's not almost impossible to figure out when you have lots of friendly IRC channels and forums and mailing lists :)11:07
Ngsangriag: cool :)11:07
MainVoidpvh: :) there's also the -k switch to man, or better yet, "Google is your friend"11:07
pvhMainVoid: Both of which only help you if you know what to look for.11:07
IMAlbertI ve used both gaim and xchat myself11:07
MunDy`Can someone help me? i just installed Ubuntu (warty) but i can't actually get in...11:07
pvhMainVoid: If you don't know the right keyword, ye're hooped.11:07
sangriagBut with my slow connection it would take more than 2 and half hours to download the ubuntu-desktop and its dependencies11:07
pvhMainVoid: Which is where #ubuntu is great.11:07
NgMunDy`: what's the problem?11:07
Cam-mundy: describe your problem11:07
MunDy`X wont start11:08
MainVoidpvh: "linux repartitioning tool" should give at least a few hits.. ;)11:08
pvhMainVoid: From 1996-2004, for about fifty different distros.11:08
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sangriagNg and MainVoid: do you also use amd64warty?11:08
NgMunDy`: do you see it trying, does it give you any errors?11:08
Ngsangriag: I do11:08
MainVoidpvh: yup, IRC is very nice to have...11:08
pvhMainVoid: 90% of it will be out of date, and 9 of the remaining 10% will be wrong.11:08
NgI'm using it right now :)11:08
MainVoidsangriag: nope, I'm on a P4 right now..11:08
pvhMainVoid: The last 1% will mostly be people asking for help and not getting a response other than "me too!"11:08
MunDy`when i 'view the output' frolm it, it just gives me information on X itself, "X is an opensource .... blah blah... for written by blah blah... e-mail blah balh...."11:09
pvhOkay, slight exaggeration. :)11:09
MunDy`not an actual error message11:09
MunDy`and yeah it does try11:09
sangriagNg, how do you feel the difference between the two?11:09
MainVoidpvh: lol11:09
MunDy`but it crashes, and then gives me that msg ^^11:09
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MainVoidsvenlawaytilfrid: away until friday?11:10
pvhMainVoid: Well, my copy is running, and I think it's time for me to get some sleep. Thanks for your help!11:10
svenlawaytilfridMainVoid: yep.11:10
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Ngsangriag: the 64bit version is ok, if you don't need 32bit stuff like Flash and the various windows video codecs :)11:10
MainVoidpvh: np..11:10
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MainVoidsvenlaway: enjoy! ;)11:10
NgMunDy`: when you get that message, scroll right to the bottom, that's where the error should be11:10
NgMunDy`: do you know what kind of graphics card you have?11:10
pollihey, is there anyone else that's having problems with dcgui-qt?11:10
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MunDy`Radeon 920011:10
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NgMunDy`: I think you may need to read through http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto11:12
Ngthat should cover installing the radeon driver11:12
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IMAlbertI also have an X question11:12
MunDy`ok, thanks Ng11:12
MunDy`i'll try that and see what happens =)11:12
MainVoidIMAlbert: fire away..11:12
MunDy`bbl11:12
NgMunDy`: good luck :)11:12
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IMAlbertI wasn't able to get X working for a while until I finally got it working using the frame buffer.11:14
MainVoidIMAlbert: what video card do u have?11:15
IMAlbertLater I installed the Nivida driver and it functions properly but when I login from gdm it switches me back to the framebuffer11:15
IMAlbertWhen I create a new user, it functions properly.11:15
IMAlbertOnboard, I believe Nvidia Vanta11:16
IMAlbertIt displays gdm with the Nvidia driver11:17
IMAlbertWhen I login, I login to the GNOME desktop.11:18
MainVoidIMAlbert: is the problem specific to one particular user?11:18
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IMAlbertYes, me (the default one), I created a test user and it works properly with it.11:20
MainVoidIMAlbert: ok, so when u login to gnome, what happens next? does it change resolution perhaps?11:21
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IMAlbertWhen I login to Gnome it changes from the Nvidia driver to the framebuffer.11:22
Nghmm11:22
Ngthat's very strange ;)11:22
MainVoidIMAlbert: I guess that what I'm trying to ask is, how do u know that is what is happening?11:23
MainVoidIMAlbert: not meaning to sound daft there, sorry..11:23
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leriohi all. I need help on sharing my Internet connection on Hoary. what do i have to check?11:24
IMAlbertThe screen goes momentarily blank, the monitor clicks, the image size shrinks and the horizontal rate changes to 60 HZ11:24
NgIMAlbert: log in, go to Computer (menu at the top) -> System COnfiguration -> Screen Resolution11:25
Ngyou should be able to set the right resolution and refresh in there11:25
Ngmy guess is that at some point that's what's happened and it was on 60Hz or whatever and Apply was clicked and it remembered those settings11:26
eruinIMAlbert: what happens if you run glxgears?11:26
leriohi all. I need help on sharing my Internet connection on Hoary. what do i have to check?11:26
MainVoidIMAlbert: yup, I concur with Ng there, that is the sounds of a monitor changing resolution (in some cases anyway)11:27
MainVoidlerio: eh, ok. there's a few questions that needs to be asked first for that one...11:28
MainVoidlerio: how do u connect to the net?11:28
IMAlbertAt the moment I can't do any live checks since i am in another partition11:28
MainVoidIMAlbert: that's ok. if u still have problems after having tried it, get back in here and we'll see what the status is then.. should work fine tho...11:29
IMAlbertgive me a few moments11:29
lerioMainVoid: thanks. ok: i connect to the network via an adsl modem--this computer runs hoary.11:29
eruinI'm having trouble with nvidia drivers needing a reinstall to work with glx every boot11:30
eruin:P11:30
lerioMainVoid: the other one is connected to this pc through a crosscable and runs debian11:30
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rendwhats the most cds your have burned at a time?11:30
lerioMainVoid: i can ping hoary from debian11:31
lerioMainVoid: and the same from hoary to deb11:32
Br|cehi folks11:32
MainVoidlerio: check what ur default route is then on your debian box, and configure it to connect to a proper dns service as wel..11:32
Br|cecould someone point me to a link that explains the basics of setting up a dual head system ?11:32
MainVoidrend: ??11:32
eruinBr|ce: no idea, but search for xinerama11:32
Br|ce(I've got a laptop with a radeon 9200 and a spare crt monitor)11:32
eruinBr|ce: and check through the radeon driver readme/faq11:33
Br|ceok11:33
Br|cethanks11:33
lerioMainVoid: i've already set deb's resolv.conf with the correct dns11:33
MainVoidlerio: can it resolve properly?11:34
lerioMainVoid: but i'm not able to ping them11:34
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MainVoidlerio: so, if u do a traceroute <domain>, where does it start giving u probbs? at the hoary end?11:34
lerioMainVoid: also, the deb install misses lots of packages. so i'm not able to run ifconfig and traceroute11:35
PWMHi, i've searched the net for ways to install the firestarter firewall, but since I'm a noob with linux, I can't figure it out... I've downloaded the firestarter debian-archive so can someone please tell me how to install it? :)11:35
lerioMainVoid: i need an internet connection to install them!!!11:36
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MainVoidlerio: <g> ok.. u can check what the default route is with netstat -rn11:36
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mbp_PWM: "sudo dpkg -i firestarter-*.deb"11:36
mbp_or, more simply11:36
mbp_"sudo apt-get install firestarter" will get you the current one from hoary and download it automatically11:37
mbp_or use the Synaptic package manager from the menu11:37
PWMmbp_: thanks I'll try right away :)11:37
lerioMainVoid: what do you need to know?11:38
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MainVoidlerio: ur deb box should have ur hoary system as the default route...11:38
PWMmbp_: It says it could find the package "firestarter" :(11:38
MainVoidlerio: and I then assume ur hoary box has a proper connection to the net from there on...11:38
lerioMainVoid: there are two lines, where the fields are Destination Gateway Genmask11:39
PWMand when I searc for it with synaptic it doesn't find anything11:39
MainVoidPWM: if u apt-cache search <search string>, do u then find firestarter?11:39
MainVoidPWM: u were quicker then me there.. ;)11:40
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lerioMainVoid: 192.168.0.0 --- 0.0.0.0 --- 255.255.255.0 (the first line)11:40
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rendMainVoid: ????11:40
PWMMainVoid: I appreciate your help, but like I said I'm totally new to this, and I must admit you confused me a bit there :)11:40
lerioMainVoid: 0.0.0.0 --- 192.168.0.2 --- 0.0.0.0 (the the second one -- 192.168.0.2 is my hoary box)11:41
MainVoidlerio: and the second line should have the hoary box in the second column?11:41
mvo_MainVoid: apt-cache and synaptic use the same database :)11:41
rendI make like 100 cds per day... looking for some cheap way to make duplication and printing of them cheaper/easier to do..11:41
MainVoidmvo_: I know, just managed to type at the same time here.. ;)11:41
lerioMainVoid: and yes, the hoary box has a proper internet connection11:41
MainVoidNg: u there?11:42
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MainVoidlerio: hmm....11:42
PWMhow about that "universe" thing everybody writes about that you should enable in synaptic... I can't see anything that says "universe" :/11:43
NgMainVoid: yes11:43
pollihmm, does anyone have problems with dcgui-qt (I'm using hoary)? I get a lot of "CXml::xml_UTF8Toisolat1 error <insert favorite digit here>" when I start it11:43
lerioMainVoid: sounds strange... :)11:43
MainVoidNg: does the kernels in ubuntu allow a system to act as a router by default, or is that commented out, u know?11:44
MainVoidPWM: there should be 2 repositories unchecked in synaptic...11:44
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KarlosIIwhat architecture is ubunut optimized for?11:44
NgMainVoid: it probably has ip forwarding disabled by default, which you can enable with "echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" (that will be forgotten on a reboot, you can set it permanently with /etc/sysctl.conf)11:44
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MainVoidlerio: see Ng's comment.. ;)11:45
PWMMainVoid: yeah, but the URL is the same so I figure "that's ok" :|11:45
MainVoidPWM: not quite, the URL points to the correct server, and then there's different repositories on that server...11:46
Ng(edit /etc/sysctl.conf and put a line in with "net/ipv4/ip_forward = 1", that makes the change permanent)11:46
KarlosIIwhat architecture is ubunut optimized for?11:46
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NgKarlosII: probably no more than 48611:46
PWMMainVoid: , well, I guess I'll have to stop assuming so much until I learn this new OS :) Thanks for your help :)11:46
Zindar386,586 and 68611:46
Zindarand PPC... :)11:46
jdubKarlosII: packages use 486 instructions, tuned for 68611:46
MainVoidPWM: No probbs.. ;) I didn't explain myself very well there, but you get the idea I hope.. ;)11:46
KarlosIIeww 48611:47
jdubthere's no benefit using anything higher11:47
KarlosII486 and 586 is garbage11:47
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NgKarlosII: are you a gentoo user by any chance? ;)11:47
jdubapplications that need to use processor specific functions do it at runtime11:47
KarlosIINg, why woud you say that11:47
NgKarlosII: because gentoo users seem to belieive that gcc optimisations actually improve things11:47
Zindarok... I was just thinking about the kernel packages.. ignore me :)11:47
pregohow do I enable apm in ubuntu? my laptop does not work with acpi11:47
KarlosIII'm thinking about kernel11:48
NgKarlosII: I'm at least haf half joking btw ;)11:48
Ng-haf11:48
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KarlosIINg, well I willadmit it I use gentoo but i find the speed different in compilation of the kernel.11:48
jdubKarlosII: you can choose between 386, 686, k711:48
jdub(and smp variants)11:48
KarlosIIfor kernel?11:48
MainVoidprego: add -noacpi -nolapic in menu.lst for the correct kernel11:48
jdubyes.11:48
Zindarisn't there a 585 kernel too?11:48
KarlosIIhmm11:48
jdubno.11:48
Zindarok11:49
KarlosIIjdub oh11:49
KarlosIIheh11:49
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clubkyh11:49
KarlosIIwhat debian tree is based on?11:50
jdubhi clubky11:50
KarlosIIie sid/sarge11:50
jdubKarlosII: ubuntu is a branch of debian sid.11:50
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jdubreleased every six months11:50
clubky from n turkey11:50
lerioMainVoid: if i try to run the echo command it says permission denied (even with sudo), but i was able to change the file. do i have to reboot?11:50
KarlosIIhmm i need something more stable.....I have debian installation based on sid that my mom is complaining is crahsing11:51
MainVoidlerio: yup..11:51
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jdubKarlosII: see above - there are stable releases every six months11:51
lerioMainVoid: thanks a lot. i'll let you know...11:51
MainVoidKarlosII: well, why is it crashing?11:51
KarlosIIsid is not stable11:51
MainVoidlerio: no probbs, have fun!11:51
KarlosIIjdub11:51
jdubKarlosII: ubuntu is not sid, it's a branch of sid.11:51
KarlosIIjdub, a branch....11:51
jdubwww.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule11:52
KarlosIInow you got me baffled okie11:52
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jdubwe take sid, branch off it regularly, stabilise it and release it11:52
jdubas per the release schedule11:52
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KarlosIIhmm okie is upgrading to new  release easy rather then a complete reinstall as i get that impression from the document11:53
jdubyes, just like debian.11:53
PWMhmm, when I try to start firestarter it says my password is wrong... but I'm sure I typed the right password11:54
KarlosIIjdub, so you have your own apt repositories setup is what you're saying11:54
jdubKarlosII: ubuntu is completely built against itself, and we have a very different release schedule, yes.11:54
KarlosIInow it's making sense11:55
spiralso this will come with gnom 2.10 final & maybe kde 3.4, isn't it ?11:55
KarlosIIgnome 2.10?11:55
KarlosIIdidn't know that existed11:55
pregoMainVoid: thank you, but still APM does not work. "No APM support in kernel"11:55
jdubspiral: hoary will come with gnome 2.10, probably not kde 3.4.11:55
KarlosIII reall should keep my eye on things betetr11:55
jdubKarlosII: it's in development. we track gnome development, releasing our preview ont he same day of gnome's release.11:56
spiraljdub: will it be available on universe/multiverse ?11:56
KarlosIIjdub, is there good NX support btw?11:56
jdubnot atm11:56
jdubspiral: kde 3.3 will be11:56
jdubas built by the kubuntu team11:56
pregoanyone has succeded with firewall-easy?11:56
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spiraljdub: yes... and kubuntu, is it downloadable somewhere or just via apt-geting on ubuntu classic ?11:57
jdubKarlosII: yes11:57
jdubspiral: kubuntu is being developed in hoary atm11:57
KarlosIIjdub, hmm11:58
MainVoidprego: hmm..11:58
KarlosIIjdub I need remote access to fix thinsg for my ma....hmmm11:58
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jdubKarlosII: vnc, ssh, etc., etc.11:58
PWMhow do I start firestarter? it says my root password it wrong when I try to start it11:58
jdubPWM: sudo firestarter11:59
KarlosIIhmmm11:59
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gusto_anyway to su to become root?12:04
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MainVoidgusto_: yup..12:04
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gusto_MainVoid: can you please tell me how?12:04
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MainVoidgusto_: su on it's own to "switch user" to root, and keeping your own environment variables, or do su - <username, blank for root> to use that users env vars...12:05
MainVoidgusto_: man <command> will tell you more..12:06
jdubgusto_: sudo su -12:06
MainVoidjdub: why sudo su -?12:06
gusto_jdub: thanks12:06
jdubgusto_ wants to su to root12:06
MainVoidjdub: that'd mean ordinary users are not allowed to run su...12:06
pregoMainVoid: perhaps because root account is disabled by default12:06
jdububuntu uses sudo12:06
MainVoidsu - does it..12:07
jdubso sudo su - gives you a root shell12:07
jdub(as would sudo -s -H)12:07
jdubbut sudo su - is nicer12:07
MainVoidprego: disabling the root account would be detrimental to any system.. ;)12:07
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pregoMainVoid: login is disabled not the account itself12:07
jdubMainVoid: the root account is disabled by default in ubuntu.12:07
pregoMainVoid: you are supposed to use sudo instead12:07
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pregoMainVoid: IMHO sudo su - allows loging as root whereas login is disbled by default12:08
MainVoidI agree with that being a good idea, however, if I know the root password, I should be allowed to login as that user..12:08
jdubMainVoid: if there is no root password, you can't.12:09
MainVoidI'd disagree to having to be forced to use sudo for that particular usage..12:09
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jdubyou can't su to root, dude, there is no root password12:09
trey3jdub, sudo -s doesn't bring environment? usually, taking me to /root is annoying... just want environment...12:09
MainVoidjdub: this is the first distro I've seen doing this.12:09
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pregoMainVoid: doing this, no root brute-force attack is possible12:10
MainVoidprego: do u mean local or remote brute force?12:10
pregoMainVoid: They would require first the list of users, crack each user, but they still don't know which ones are in sudoers12:10
pregoMainVoid: both... unless exploits...12:11
MainVoidprego: for remote, I only use SSH to login remotely, which nicely also has it's AllowUsers setting..12:11
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digmigi tried sudo passwd root once - behaves normal since then. security reestablished.12:11
trey3jdub, 'sudo -s' == 'su' != 'su -' ?12:11
MainVoidprego: for local brute force, well then it is not just the root account that is interesting..12:12
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MainVoidprego: and other users are more likely to have weaker passwords then root anyway..12:12
pregoMainVoid: you tweak in ssh what sudo does already...12:12
MainVoidprego: eh??12:12
pregoMainVoid: restricting root access, I mean12:13
trey3MainVoid, thats not a valid point actually... knowing the first user is in effect the admin... most users will still give it a difficult password to crack...12:13
pregoMainVoid: I agree that the user that has sudo acess is the weakest point12:13
Ngthat would be true on a box with aroot password12:14
MainVoidtrey3: if u r local, u can prob read /etc/passwd, meaning u already know the usernames...12:14
Ngprivilege escalation attacks are pretty easy generally :(12:14
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spiraland for the ssh example... If you prevent root access...12:14
spiralyou need to know a local user password to ssh12:14
spiralthen su - & know the root password...12:15
trey3MainVoid, no... only root has read rights to /etc/passwd and /etc/group12:15
spiraland not just only a local user password... even if it's the sudoer one, it might be easyer12:15
MainVoidtrey3: wrong, I can cat /etc/passwd on warty12:15
MainVoid/etc/shadow has the passwords12:15
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MainVoidspiral: yes, u sould login as a normal user into a box...12:16
trey3MainVoid, eh... I guess I changed that here  :/12:16
MainVoids/sould/should/12:16
pregoWhat means "uninstall completely" in synaptic?12:16
trey3prego, dpkg -P or apt-get remove --purge ...12:16
spiralMainVoid: so in my example, you need two passwords... isn't it more secure ? :-o12:16
trey3prego, basically removes config files too..12:16
pregotrey3: ah thanks12:16
MainVoidspiral: that is what I'm saying too... ;)12:17
spiralMainVoid: ok, thanks :-)12:17
pregotrey3: If I don't do that, the config files are kept, ... how do I know which are the "hung" config files?12:17
IMAlbertI'm back, sorry I took so long. I had to manually edit my bootloader to get here.12:17
MainVoidspiral: what I am against is having to have to use sudo in order to be allowed to use su12:17
trey3prego, no way to tell really...12:17
pregotrey3: thanks, anyway ;-))12:18
spiralMainVoid: :-)12:18
HcEMainVoid: use sudo -s if you need to be root for longer periods12:18
MainVoidHcE: nah, I stay away from root, unless I *have* to have root access... and when I do, I don't mind a little bit of pain to go with it.. though that sudo bit is ... odd...12:19
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MainVoidit is always easier to do things the way one is used to do them..12:20
MainVoidnot an excuse I know, but still, a point to take into account..12:20
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IMAlbertMainVoid12:20
MainVoidIMAlbert: yes?12:21
trey3hmm... sudo -i = shell + environment (path etc) ... damnit @ however told me -s  :(12:21
IMAlbertTook your advice (once I got in) and it seems to have done the trick.12:22
trey3'sudo -i' = 'su -'12:22
MainVoidIMAlbert: kewl.. tho I think the suggestion as such was made by Ng.. ;)12:22
IMAlbertBy the way, does the frambuffer operate at any rate other than 60 Hz12:22
IMAlbertGive credit where credit is due.12:23
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MainVoidIMAlbert: have no idea, haven't checked that to be honest.. ;)12:23
MainVoidtrey3: if that is the case, suggest that then as an alias in bash for ubuntu!!?? ;)12:24
IMAlbertI changed the setting to 1024x768 at 75 HZ12:24
trey3MainVoid, it will never go down... you can do it locally?12:24
NgIMAlbert: typically the framebuffer can support the same resolutions as X, although it would depend on exactly which framebuffer driver it was using. It's almost certainly not using a framebuffer driver though12:24
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Ngif you're sure gdm is using nvidia then it should still be using it once you log in12:24
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trey3sudo -s = su though... I was always told thats wrong (due to not bringing env.)12:25
MainVoidtrey3: nah, I'll prob get things around in such a way that I am used to them, more likely..12:25
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IMAlbertNow the monitor doesn't change from gdm only when I restart X (as it should)12:25
trey3MainVoid, other than little things, you'd be surprised how fast you get used to using sudo..12:26
IMAlbertThank You for your help12:26
MainVoidtrey3: oh, I'm quite happy using sudo, just not in the context of running su.. ;)12:26
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MainVoidIMAlbert: enjoy! ;)12:26
MainVoidtrey3: AM or PM??12:26
trey3MainVoid, am...12:26
trey3if it was pm... I wouldn't mind at all...12:27
IMAlbertI see what happens come April12:27
MainVoidtrey3: LOL, it's 11:30 here.. ;)12:27
trey3MainVoid, Aussie?  :)12:27
MainVoidIMAlbert: 1/4/05 u mean? :D12:27
MainVoidtrey3: UK.. ;)12:27
trey3MainVoid, ahh... what part?12:28
pregoI have some problems with a usb stick. If I format it with fat or reiserfs it works OK, but if I use ext2/ext3 it is pain slow when writting (being quick at reads)12:28
MainVoidtrey3: North west, just south of Manchester...12:28
IMAlbertI will have to check that12:28
trey3MainVoid, cool... moved to the US from Blackpool... born in Coventry though  :)12:28
jdubMainVoid: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo12:28
piperHey, I was wondering if anyone can help me; having some problems installing Ubuntu.12:28
MainVoidtrey3: well, being Swedish originally, u can never guess where I moved from to get here...12:29
trey3piper, tell us problems... and we might be able to help  :)12:29
piperSpecifically the formatting part. It doesn't want to format anything.12:29
trey3MainVoid, Japan?  8)12:29
MainVoidjdub: reading it now.. ;)12:29
piper(checked the forums and it seems to be a popular issue, but no replies... :( )12:29
MainVoidtrey3: Dublin.. :D12:29
trey3MainVoid, bah... not even close  :(12:29
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trey3piper, gah... what are you trying to set? how far do you actually get?12:30
MainVoidtrey3: <g>12:31
trey3MainVoid, bah... their are like 3-4 screens related to partitioning...12:31
trey3there*12:31
piperJust up to the formatting part; I can set everything up but when it tries to format the partitions it gives me a red error screen.12:31
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odysseyhello12:31
MainVoidjdub: it's prob a good way of getting noobs into using sudo...12:31
trey3piper, hah... haven't even seen that... what does error say?12:31
MainVoidjdub: tho, for me, that has used *nix for ~10 years..... different story..12:32
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MainVoidjdub: ever tried su1?12:33
trey3jdub, permission to change 'sudo -s -H' to 'sudo -i' (on account of its shorter and does the same thing + more) ?12:33
ismaevalMainVoid: for a single user installation, using sudo is killing flies with cannon balls, as we say in spain :)12:33
jdubtrey3: nice one12:34
IMAlbertIs it a home computer?12:34
trey3jdub, take that as a yes?12:34
jdubtrey3: yep12:34
MainVoidismaeval: if u *know* what u r doing, I'd agree, otherwise it's a good thing to learn.. ;)12:34
trey38)12:34
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ismaevalMainVoid: using Linux -> knowing what u r doing or at least planning to ;)12:35
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IMAlbertIf it is, there's really no such ting as single user.12:35
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piperEh, I'll be back in a bit, got to write down the actual error message.12:35
IMAlbertthing12:35
MainVoidismaeval: u r starting down the correct path at a minimum!! :D12:35
trey3jdub, hmm... haha... its locked...  :(12:35
ismaevalMainVoid: I think the minimum in this case is `su -c'12:36
ismaevalMainVoid: you don't need sudo unless *you know* you need sudo12:36
MainVoidIMAlbert: well, even on a home computer u may have more then one user at a time logged in to it..12:36
ismaevalin that case, having more than one user logged in, indeed sudo is *very* useful12:37
IMAlbertHence, there is no such thing as a single user.12:37
MainVoidismaeval: I'd rather say, u need sudo in case u r new to *nix, to be honest...12:37
MainVoidIMAlbert: how come?12:37
=== MainVoid has seen to many dev/qa types wrecking *nix machines completely..
ismaevalMainVoid: using Mac OS X, sudo is the only way to get root, well, Apple users are new to *nix, let's agree12:37
=== MainVoid cried when a dev type did `rm -rf /etc/*` on a Solaris box...
spiralismaeval: :-p12:38
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IMAlbertIf it's a home computer, more than one person in the house will invariably want to use it.12:39
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ismaevalIMAlbert: then, the other partition with windows installed comes to mind :P12:39
IMAlbertIs it Windows ME like mine?12:40
MainVoidIMAlbert: I see what u mean.. u r thinking of one person sitting by the same computer at one time..12:40
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poningrulol12:41
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poningrulooking at mainvoids earlier comment12:41
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IMAlbertNot necessarily, just don't expect the computer to see much idle time.12:42
MainVoidIMAlbert: well, then u may have multiple users at the same time, right? ;)12:42
=== MainVoid is discussing mainly because I have nothing better to do.. ;)
MainVoidIMAlbert: tell me to shut up if I get too tedious.. ;)12:43
IMAlbertor consecutive12:43
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MainVoidtrue, true..12:43
trey3jdub, ugh... I don't like the wording "to have a login shell as root" because this is technically still the case with 'sudo -s'  :(12:43
piperWell, I'm back with the error messages.12:44
trey3jdub, maybe you can think of something better?12:44
MainVoidIMAlbert: but that doesn't exclude u wanting to have multiple user support.. ;)12:44
MainVoidtrey3: "to get a command line with root priviliges" perhaps?12:45
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IMAlbertOf course not.  I wouldn't want someone else messing with MY files.12:45
piperI get up to the partitioning screen, select "Manually Edit", set up the partitions, select "Finish partitioning..." and get this lovely message on a red screen: "The (ext2/3/reiserfs) file system creation ... failed"12:45
MainVoidIMAlbert: so, how do u do on a system that doesn't have multi-user support to make sure that doesn't happen?12:46
piperAny help would be great :)12:46
IMAlbertYou don't.12:46
MainVoidIMAlbert: wrong, u install a proper OS, like ubuntu.. :D (sorry, couldn't help myself!)12:47
MainVoidIMAlbert: one answer would be to encrypt your files, which becomes cumbersome after a while.. ;)12:47
IMAlbertBut doesn't Ubuntu HAVE multiuser support?12:48
MainVoidIMAlbert: my point exactly.. :D12:48
piperSo, nobody can help?12:49
IMAlbertWhat might be simpler is to make it impossible for the other users to see your directory by selectivly fixing permissions and paths?12:50
IMAlbertActually that was supposed to be a statement.12:50
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MainVoidIMAlbert: yes, but ur initial point was that a home computer didn't need multi-user support..12:50
MainVoidIMAlbert: like I said before, I'm only arguing the point for the arguments sake..12:51
trey3piper, sorry man... not very clear as to what exactly went wrong... we already knew something failed  :(12:51
MainVoidIMAlbert: I do understand what u mean tho, and u r correct in that..12:51
IMAlbertMy intial point was actually that there was no such thing as a truly single user home computer.12:51
MainVoidtrey3: does the installer give output on any of the other vt's that may be interesting?12:51
MainVoidIMAlbert: sounds then like I lost the argument, since I didn't read ur initial statement properly.. ;) DOH!12:52
trey3MainVoid, I believe on vt1 (ie ctrl alt f2) ... worth a try...12:52
trey3s/vt1/tty1/12:52
piperIt installed fine when I formatted the entire disk (months ago), but I can't afford to do that now... well, thanks anyway, the error messages are fairly vague themselves.12:52
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topylipiper: something happened to a /home partition at work and i wasn't even formatting it. it said "won't be used". i thought, oh, i'll mount it later, but when i rebooted it was there :)12:52
IMAlbertEspecially in my sisters house (she is married with six children)12:53
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MainVoidIMAlbert: so, if u live alone then? (think I found my loophole!!)12:53
piperIs there anyway to format using a live CD and then bypass the format page in ubuntu?12:53
MainVoidpiper: when u do the formating, press alt+F2 and check the output there for errors...12:53
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IMAlbertBut that's my problem and we won't go there.12:54
MainVoidIMAlbert: lol12:54
piperMainVoid: Alright, thanks. I'll give that a shot.12:54
trey3piper, if it doesn't work... at least write down any applicable errors and come back  :)12:55
IMAlbertnotepad?12:55
MainVoidlol12:55
trey3IMAlbert, >.<  ... you just reminded me of Winblows... I get to hurt you now.12:56
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DonLemmiHi, can anyone tell me how i can install a driver for my soundcard in ubuntu,please?12:56
pipertrey3: the errors I got were just what I wrote above, the "..." was just the partition info.12:56
trey3DonLemmi, modprobe module_name12:56
trey3DonLemmi, not that that is much use without knowing module name  ;)12:56
trey3DonLemmi, lspci | grep Audio and paste output here12:57
MainVoidpiper: "failed" is all u get??12:57
trey3piper, alt f2 should shot exactly what it was doing when it failed... "Failed partitioning" isn't very enlightening  :/12:57
trey3s/shot/show/12:57
piperMainVoid: yep. "... failed."12:57
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DonLemmitrey3: its a crystal sound 4236B12:58
piperWell, I found a bug report: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-boot@lists.debian.org/msg66995.html12:58
DonLemmiIts conencted to ISA12:58
DonLemmiso lspci doesnt list it12:59
DonLemmii found it via lshw12:59
kbrooksisa? dude.12:59
kbrooksisa == slow and old12:59
kbrookspci > isa01:00
DonLemmiIts an old P2 333MHz :)01:00
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MainVoidpiper: u should be able to format the partition using any other bootable Linux CD, and then just leave it as-is when u install....01:00
MainVoidpiper: should work...01:00
DonLemmiIn Knoppix Sound worked but i cant remember the modiulename. it was like cs4236 or similar01:01
IMAlbertYes, but don't we want to see these machines receive a new lease on life?01:01
MainVoidDonLemmi: sudo modprobe snd-cs423601:01
piperMainVoid: I'll give that a shot, if that doesn't work I'll try Alt-F2. Thanks for the help.01:02
DonLemmithx MainVoid, ill try01:02
MainVoidDonLemmi: good luck! *should* work..01:03
kbrooksI HATE ISA01:03
IMAlbertAssuming the info you gave is correct.01:03
kbrooksBOYCOTT ISA01:03
trey3DonLemmi, that is the module name... 'snd-cs4236' ... modprobe that...01:04
trey3(snd- denotes alsa driver)01:04
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trey3kbrooks, all well and good... but that doesn't make his sound card work... "buy a new sound card" is not good advice...01:05
MainVoidkbrooks: there are worse standards out there..01:05
IMAlbertMicrochannel01:05
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MainVoidEEEEEEWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!01:05
MainVoidlol01:06
MainVoidSBus is also fun these days..01:06
trey3but yeah... during 2.4.20 ... there was a bug with it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=18189001:06
trey3Hopefully thats been fixed since then though  8)01:06
DonLemmiMainVoid / trey3 : thx, that loaded the module. now how can i "automate" that *g?01:07
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IMAlbertWhat's glxgears supposed to do if you do not have a glx driver?01:08
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trey3DonLemmi, put snd-cs4236 into /etc/modules ...01:09
MainVoidtrey3: oi! <g>01:09
trey3MainVoid, wasn't me01:09
MainVoidlol01:10
trey3Shaggy is my idol  8)01:10
trey3"She got it on camera" "Wasn't me"  8)01:10
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DonLemmitrey3: in /etc/modules or in /etc/modules.d/autoload.modules.2.6 blah :)?01:11
trey3DonLemmi, yeah... no... the first one  ;)01:11
trey3DonLemmi, hence why I said that  ;)01:12
trey3DonLemmi, /etc/modules = one of my favorate debianism's  8)01:12
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DonLemmik :)01:13
DonLemmithx01:13
FlyounetHi, How to stop the buzz sound when i make a mistake on the command line ?01:13
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trey3Flyounet, don't make a mistake?01:14
Flyounet:)01:14
trey3Flyounet, haha... no... you can turn off console beeps... dunno how though  :(01:15
FlyounetI try to disable it in the bios management, but il continue to beep :|01:15
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krismFlyounet : you mean from within gnome?01:16
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krismif you go to Computer->Desktop Preferences->Sound and turn sounds for events off, itll remove most of the beeping01:17
krismalso, in gnome terminal, Edit->Current Profile->Terminal Bell01:17
piperQuestion: what does "Configure the Local Volume Manager" entail? I'm pretty sure that's where my problem lies.01:17
MainVoidFlyounet: turn off the "Terminal Bell" in the gnome terminal will do it..01:17
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MainVoidpiper: is there anything in particular leading u to that conclusion, or just a hunch?01:18
Flyounetno, i try to install the ubuntu, but for the time i have problem with X... So i'am not under graphic environment01:18
trey3Flyounet, hmm... try 'softbeep'... takes it to sound card... or theoretically /dev/null (to shut it up entirely)01:19
piperWell I checked Alt-F3 (F2 was blank) and it said: "No matching physical volumes found ... No Volume Groups found"01:19
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MainVoid<-- quitte has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))01:19
MainVoidLOL01:19
trey3piper, bah... looks like you're setting up an LVM volume then? yeah... don't do that..01:20
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MainVoidpiper: well, if u haven't defined any volume groups, that is quite normal to see.. and u'd know if u had done that.. ;)01:20
piperNot setting up an LVM volume, just doing what the help guide suggests. So that's normal, then?01:21
trey3piper, hmm... or you specified things that aren't actually there... which is actually what it seems to say on re-reading...01:21
trey3piper, seems it if what I just said doesn't fit...01:21
trey3piper, any other errors?01:21
pipertrey3: No, it just went on to "Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while..."01:22
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synanhi there!01:22
MainVoidpiper: that would be a normal error message01:22
trey3piper, hmm... and you didn't wait?  shouldn't take that long though  :/01:22
trey3synan, hey01:23
pipertrey3: I waited a little while while copying the rest down, but nothing else came up.01:23
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synanone question, i was trying out synaptic and when trzsing to remove some debs i get some strange dependencie hell sayin it would have to remove base/systam and such???01:24
trey3synan, most packages in Ubuntu depend either 'ubuntu-base' or 'ubuntu-desktop' ... done so the devels can better guide users along upgrades etc...01:25
trey3synan, its perfectly ok to say yes to these removals... just be aware that future upgrades may not go as smooth...01:25
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synanhm.. so it wont actually remove gnome whenb removing openoffice? =)01:27
trey3synan, it shouldn't? hah... haven't tried... are gnome components specifically listed?01:28
synanwell, that wasnt exactly the case, but i was just making an exapmle..01:28
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trey3synan, ahhh... yeah... generally its safe...01:30
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synantrey3, thx!01:31
DonLemmitrey3 / MainVoid : Thx, i added the module and now it works :) thx alot01:31
trey3synan, DonLemmi, you're welcome  8)01:32
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R4lphHello, does somebody know what is the name of icon set in fc3 for Gnome? I wanted to use it in Ubuntu =] 01:33
trey3R4lph, pretty sure the icons are patented to Red Hat?01:33
synanim an old slack user, and i am currently trzing out ubuntu and am liking it very much.. it installed under 15mins on my computer which is cool.. just have to get some xfce debs.. =)01:33
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R4lphtrey3: patented?01:34
trey3R4lph, uhh... yeah... they pretty much taught Bluecurve as their desktop... and as such protect it from others...01:34
MainVoidDonLemmi: u r welcome...01:35
trey3R4lph, 'lighthouse-blue' is technically bluecurve... although I've never actually gotten it to work  :/01:35
R4lphtrey3: so i cant use it?01:35
trey3R4lph, uhh 'gtk2-engines-lighthouse-blue' I think01:36
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trey3R4lph, nope... enless you go get 'redhat-artwork' from Fedora... and use alien on that, and install the resulting .deb maybe  :/01:37
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trey3R4lph, not sure how legal that is though  :/01:38
macewanworks like a charm tho01:38
macewan;)01:38
R4lphtrey3: So pity :/01:39
trey3R4lph, technically, if you already installed Fedora... you have permission I guess  8)01:39
da_bon_bonhey, i downloaded a distro, and the image was corrupted. how do i repair it ?01:39
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trey3R4lph, a supprising amount of us are  :)01:40
MainVoidda_bon_bon: how did u dl it originally? http, ftp, rsync, jigdo, torrent?01:40
R4lphtrey3: =] 01:41
da_bon_bonMainVoid: a friend did it. i think it was ftp or http.01:41
trey3MainVoid, a burned image is currupted? or just the downloaded file?  maybe I'm mistaken...01:41
MainVoidda_bon_bon: I'd dl it again myself...01:41
trey3MainVoid, seems logical enough huh  ;)01:42
synanhey, do debian "specific" debs work on ubuntu or is the system somewhat different_01:42
da_bon_bontrey3: the burnt image, was burnt to a cd. i booted off it and realized its corrupt.01:42
da_bon_bonMainVoid: cant redownload01:42
kbrookssynan, don't use those. they could break your system.01:42
MainVoidda_bon_bon: in that case, I have a feeling u r in trouble... unless u can get someone to send u a new cd..01:42
trey3synan, generally they will work... sid and hoary or testing and warty don't line up 100% though... and the latter are getting more and more seperate...01:42
kbrooksda_bon_bon, why cant u redownload01:43
da_bon_bonno one sent it. my friend downloaded and gave it .01:43
kbrooksoh. ok01:43
trey3synan, afaik, there hasn't been an hoary freeze yet though, so they should be quite simular...01:43
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da_bon_bonkbrooks: bad conectivity01:43
kbrooksi get you now01:43
MainVoidda_bon_bon: same principle, different method..01:43
da_bon_bonMainVoid: no. first, i didnt beg.01:43
MainVoidda_bon_bon: in essence, u need to get a new CD, somehow..01:44
kbrooksda_bon_bon, what do you mean?01:44
MainVoidda_bon_bon: not sure I understand what u mean there...01:44
synantrey3, i havent gotten the time yet to take a look, but does ubuntu offer deb d/l for things that arent on the main install cd?01:44
trey3da_bon_bon, I take it its not Ubuntu? else I'd just tell you to order via ShipIt  :/01:44
da_bon_bonMainVoid: the difference b/w sending and getting from a frnd is that i have to beg for someone to send a cd. ;)01:45
da_bon_bontrey3: not ubuntu01:45
trey3synan, yes... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view  <-- for a full explaination...01:45
MainVoidda_bon_bon: ah, u mean "ask".. ;) begging is something I try to avoid.. ;)01:45
trey3synan, only 'main' and 'restricted' are enabled by default01:45
MainVoidda_bon_bon: tho, u may have to ask someone this time around.. ;)01:45
da_bon_bonsame here01:46
Erdos_ciao ragazzi, ho appena installato ubuntu ma ho un problemino sicuramente stupido01:46
MainVoidda_bon_bon: where do u live, and what distro was it?01:46
Erdos_che password di root devo mettere ? ho visto che root  disabilitato ....01:46
Erdos_help01:46
Erdos_which is root password01:46
da_bon_bonMainVoid: india. promepis b401:46
Erdos_?01:46
no0ticErdos_: vieni su #ubuntu-it01:46
synanah, the universe thing.. i read the docs b4 install, but fast and non remembering..01:46
kbrooksErdos_, user password01:46
no0ticErdos_: root doesn't exist in ubuntu01:47
MainVoidda_bon_bon: never heard of promepis myself..01:47
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MainVoidda_bon_bon: any particular reason for that distro?01:47
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da_bon_bonMainVoid: i like it. simple, powerful, manyyy apps. by default.01:47
scoonanyone having any problems with metacity ?01:48
kbrooksscoon, ask.01:48
MainVoidda_bon_bon: do they have any servcie where u can order CD's from them, perhaps?01:48
trey3scoon, define 'problem'...01:48
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scoonproblems like when you click on the menubar all of the windows on all desktops flash01:48
scoonkbrooks01:48
scooni am01:48
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da_bon_bonMainVoid: it costs money. and i am low on it - a 16 yr old cant have enough pocket money.01:48
kbrooksscoon, you weren't.01:48
scoonkbrooks, certainly was.01:49
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MainVoidda_bon_bon: lol, I remember those days..... *sigh* looong time ago...01:49
kbrooksscoon, you were not asking a *real question*01:49
da_bon_bonMainVoid: why are u 90 now. ;) no offense meant joking.01:49
synantrey3, thx for your time!01:49
MainVoidda_bon_bon: not sure if ubuntu still do their Free CD shipping (anyone?)01:49
synanbye all!01:49
trey3kbrooks, shush... he just used enter instead of grammar  ;)01:49
scoonoh, i always forget about the "question police" ?01:49
MainVoidda_bon_bon: nah, just twice ur age so far.. ;)01:50
scoonthanks kbrooks for keeping me on my toes :)01:50
kbrooksMainVoid, they do.01:50
kbrooksscoon, i had to <g>01:50
scoonso back to metacity window flashing.01:50
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scoonanyone notice it.01:50
scoondon't be a hero kbrooks.01:50
MainVoidda_bon_bon: so u can then possibly get a ubuntu cd set sent to u for free...01:50
scoon;)01:50
trey3scoon, I've not seen that... then I haven't restarted metacity since last upgrade...01:50
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MainVoidscoon: what refresh rate do u use? could that be it?01:51
scoontrey3, i just apt'd version 2.9.501:51
da_bon_bonMainVoid: i dont like ubuntu much. have the cds.01:51
trey3scoon, same here...01:52
scoonMainVoid, i don't think so.  I have been hoary for over a month w/ no problems.  I just upg'd metacity and it is flashing all over the place.01:52
trey3scoon, still don't see it  *shrug*01:52
Cam-how can i get the engage dock?01:52
Cam-;)01:52
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MainVoidda_bon_bon: not sure what to tell u then.. apart from contacting a LUG and ask if there is someone near u that could help..01:52
da_bon_bonMainVoid: hmm.. i know how to repair using BT but no torrents too. :((01:53
MainVoidscoon: no idea then, sorry.. I'm still on warty.. just installed 2 days ago. ;)01:54
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kbrooksi think i'm gonna order 2 ubuntu cds (those cds that have a box) and sell them to anyone on irc (for free).01:54
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MainVoidkbrooks: give, not sell.. ;)01:55
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kbrooksbut not this week....i'll order the 2 cds wednesday or thursday and then give them this weekend01:55
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trey3Who was it with metacity issue?01:55
scoontrey3,  me01:55
scoontrey3, how is it working for you ?01:56
trey3scoon, yeah... clicking titlebar makes it spaz...01:56
scoontrey3, thanks.01:56
MainVoidkbrooks: first come first serve, or something with a twist to it? like a compo?01:56
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trey3scoon, if you want... post bug report here, and I will confirm...01:56
trey3scoon, ps.... thats really freaking annoying damnit  >.<01:57
scoontrey3, i am going to setup xfce and then search out bugzilla.01:57
scoontrey3, if there is nothing posted i will put up a bug and let you know.01:57
scoontrey3, thanks for checking.01:57
trey3scoon, grrr... you're using betaware... you should have known such things would happen...01:57
Cam-has anyone here compiled engage!?01:58
scoontrey3, i do know things like this will happen.  no biggie.01:58
kbrooksMainVoid, first com e first serve01:58
trey3scoon, going and installing something else because of one bug is kinda ludacris01:58
scoontrey3, i keep a local copy of xfce for just the occasion.01:58
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scoontrey3, when i need to get things done, spazing window managers is not helping w/ that.01:59
MainVoidtrey3: does ubuntu have a tinderbox?01:59
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R4lphSomeone tried 3ddesktop ?02:02
R4lphI dont know how to run it02:02
MainVoidtrey3: oh, btw, it is possible to turn of away notifications in X-Chat (I think anyway.. ;) )02:02
da_bon_bonhow do i create exact ISO images of cds in lin ?02:03
MainVoidda_bon_bon: try out xcdroast, as for one example...02:04
hypn0da_bon_bon: nautilus?02:04
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da_bon_bonhypn0: CLI ?02:05
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MainVoidda_bon_bon: cdrecord ?02:06
=== hypn0 isnt a commando :-|
da_bon_bonok..02:06
bzbbdd02:07
MainVoidbzbb: lol02:07
MainVoidbzbb: good old dd, does it all.. :)02:07
trey3MainVoid, what is a tinderbox?  :(02:08
trey3sorry... was reporting bug  :o02:08
bzbbexcept my homework02:08
MainVoidtrey3: a bunch of boxes that keep on building packages from CVS..02:08
MainVoidtrey3: when they fail, it will show up on a central monitoring system as a red mark..02:09
MainVoidtrey3: when that happens, it is said that the "tree is on fire"...02:09
trey3MainVoid, not sure actually... I know there are build boxes... but other than that...02:09
MainVoidtrey3: it helps in finding packages that has build issues...02:09
MainVoiddoesn't find all ur possible s/w issues, but helps finding some at least...02:10
trey3MainVoid, would be more enlightening to ask a devel  ;)02:10
MainVoidtrey3: example: http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showbuilds.cgi02:11
MainVoidtrey3: ;) if I knew one I would.. ;)02:11
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Skidhi folks, anyone recommend a decent x newsreader?02:13
Skid(supporting binaries too)02:13
RibsPan02:13
Skidah, brillaint that's just what I've been looking for02:14
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trey3seb128, you around? might be easier to inform me on backtracing here?   ;)02:16
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William_CainHello.02:17
William_CainI have noticed this strange bug in my boot manager.02:17
William_CainEvery time I boot, there is one more instance of Ubuntu in the boot list.02:18
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seb128trey3: yep02:18
trey3William_Cain, did you install a new kernel? does it say "rescue mode"?02:18
trey3seb128, cool... I filled the Metacity bug... what info you need about it?02:18
William_CainIt says both normal- and rescue mode.02:18
seb128trey3: what is asked in the bug ...02:19
trey3seb128, it was confirmed by scoon... (actually I confirmed it for him) ...02:19
seb128trey3: ps ax | grep metacity, note the pid and sudo gdb -p <pid>02:19
MainVoidWilliam_Cain: that is by design..02:19
William_CainWhy? My boot list will be very big.02:20
MainVoidWilliam_Cain: why should it be very bug?02:20
trey3seb128, hmm... two entries...  metacity --sm-save-file 1106208892-975-937855816.ms  states "Ss"... never seen that?02:20
MainVoids/bug/big/02:20
William_CainNow I have:02:20
William_CainNormal Ubuntu boot02:20
William_CainSafe Ubuntu boot02:20
William_CainNormal Ubuntu boot02:20
William_CainSafe Ubuntu boot02:20
William_CainNormal Ubuntu boot02:20
William_CainSafe Ubuntu boot02:20
William_CainAnd even more.02:20
William_CainI get one more each time I boot.02:20
MainVoidWilliam_Cain: so, u have installed a number of various kernels?02:21
seb128trey3: ?02:21
William_CainI haven't done anything with my kernels.02:21
seb128trey3: you have one line for metacity ...02:21
MainVoidWilliam_Cain: odd... never seen that before.. u r using grub or lilo?02:21
William_CainGRUB, I reckon.02:21
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William_CainThe one that comes with Ubuntu 4.102:22
IMAlbertThank you for your help, but02:22
IMAlbertI'll talk with you later.02:22
MainVoidWilliam_Cain: I'd recommend u to create a bug report for that one...02:23
William_CainOk.02:23
MainVoidIMAlbert: talk to who?02:23
William_CainBecause my boot manager will be crowded very soon.02:23
MainVoidWilliam_Cain: sorry, but I have no idea what that would happen, it shouldn't...02:23
IMAlbertAll who are here and have helped me.02:23
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William_CainHmm, no it's not easy, I know.02:23
MainVoidWilliam_Cain: can u check if u have a lot of entries in /boot/grub/menu.lst?02:24
William_CainOk, I will.02:24
MainVoidIMAlbert: Ah, thought u meant someone specific.. ;)02:24
MainVoidIMAlbert: have a food one! catch u l8r!02:24
MainVoidWilliam_Cain: in that file grub specifies what choises u have when booting u c...02:24
William_CainHmm, yes, it lists various kernel versions.02:25
William_CainHowever, I haven't fiddled with them.02:25
William_CainMay they have been automatically installed while I've been updating everything?02:25
MainVoidWilliam_Cain: do u also have the corresponding kernels in /boot?02:25
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William_CainSeems like it.02:26
jkroon81Anyone know if Mono will be included in the next release of Ubuntu?02:26
MainVoidWilliam_Cain: they could have been, I just installed ubuntu the other day myself, so am not sure, but the possibility is there..02:26
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William_CainShould I delete the others but the newest one?02:26
MainVoidWilliam_Cain: yes, but by using apt or synaptic to do so, just to do it cleanly..02:27
William_CainWhat's the difference between version: 2.6.8.1-4-386 and 2.6.8.1-4-686?02:27
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MainVoidWilliam_Cain: *-386 is the bog standard kernel, whereas *-686 is optimised for PentiumII and up processors...02:29
William_CainOk, that's not good since I use an AMD XP2400+ CPU.02:29
DonLemmiHi, i have another question. Normally wirh Xfree, one leaves out the lines for the refresh rates on the XF86-Config and then the Monitor is probed. But if i comment out these lines with ubuntu, my Xsessions starts at 60 Hz with 640x480. Anyone can tell me why?02:29
William_CainShould I use one of the AMD kernels?02:29
William_CainThey're for AMD K7.02:29
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MainVoidWilliam_Cain: Ah, u'd still have gains, but best gains then is to use a *-k7 kernel...02:29
William_CainOk, I'll do that.02:30
William_CainShould I uninstall all kernels but the one I'd want to keep?02:30
MainVoidWilliam_Cain: that should take care of those headaches for you...02:30
MainVoidWilliam_Cain: yes..02:30
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MainVoidDonLemmi: and X probes ur monitor and properly gets the EDID?02:31
William_CainOk, thanks a lot.02:31
MainVoidWilliam_Cain: no probbs..02:31
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William_CainJust one more question.02:31
DonLemmiMainVoid: whats EDID?02:31
William_CainThere's something called Hotplug that fails to load during boot. What is Hotplug?02:32
schnideHi, I have a question - I use Windows and I hate it.  Should I change to this Linux?02:33
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supertedschnide: yes you should02:33
MainVoidDonLemmi: EDID is the data probed from the monitor that contains the monitors spec's..02:33
William_Cainschnide: Ubuntu is very easy to install, and works perfectly for people switching from Windows to Linux.02:33
MainVoidschnide: anything is better then windblows..02:33
schnideSounds good!  What's the driver support like?  Will I probably be able to find drivers for my graphics card, wireless LAN equipment..?02:34
William_CainHeh, I still have Windows on my computer. I like it.02:34
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William_Cain*raises fale shield*02:34
William_Cainflame*02:34
schnide(Obviously I know you can't say yes or no exactly, but just give me a general idea)02:34
KarlosIIwindows borked on my comp02:34
KarlosIII'm not about to reinstall it right now...02:34
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tritiumWilliam_Cain, hotplug is intended to let you plug in devices and use them immediately.02:34
nevyn_schnide: we can say yes or no exactly if youn tell us exactly what the hardware is.02:34
schnideGeForce 2 card, D-Link 604+ router, D-Link 510 PCI card..02:35
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schnideSB Live 5.1 Player, Pentax 33WR digital camera..02:35
schnideWell you asked!02:35
aleccan i install wine easily on ubuntu02:36
MainVoidschnide: those should work fine.... the camer I am not sure about, mainly because I haven't used a digital camera in linux yet..02:36
schnideOk that's great, last question then I think - can I dual boot and keep Windows for the time being to see if I like it/can use it?02:36
MainVoidschnide: yup..02:36
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schnideCool!  Is it easy to do?02:37
MainVoidschnide: depends.. do u have more then one hd? got a lot of free space?02:37
tritiumschnide, you should have little trouble, and we're here to help02:37
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DonLemmiMainVoid>: i just looked at the XF...log and there the probing looks good. But than later when the xserver tried to use the higher modes, it fails02:37
MainVoidschnide: usually it is easy..02:37
schnideI have one (dying) HD with about 5gig free - is that enough?02:37
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schnideI have XP SP2 at present02:38
nevyn_sure.02:38
nevyn_dying isn't a good thing02:38
MainVoidDonLemmi: set the vrefresh value to what is probed from the monitor, and it'll prob work a bit better...02:38
schnideI'll get a new HD when I have some cash :)02:38
nevyn_schnide: does the camera appear as a disk under windows XP?02:38
schnideYeah it does, that's good I take it?02:38
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MainVoidschnide: it's enough space, if the drive lasts is another question.. if it is already dying, I'd replace that first anyway...02:38
DonLemmiMainVoid: k thx, ill try02:38
nevyn_schnide: indeed that's good.02:38
nevyn_that'll just work.02:38
MainVoidDonLemmi: should take care of it.. ;)02:39
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nevyn_is the dlink 510 a wireless card?02:39
nevyn_with a TI chipset?02:39
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schnideI don't know about TI chipset but it's wireless02:39
aleccan i just 'apt-get install wine'02:39
trey3scoon, you still around?02:40
nevyn_schnide: is it labeled AIRplus?02:40
schnideUm no02:40
schnideIt's a crappy card, but it works02:40
nevyn_it could be problematic.02:40
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tuxJr_14hi02:40
nevyn_the router is a seperate computer it'll work fine.02:40
scoontrey3, yes02:41
scoontrey3, in xfce4.2.0 btw02:41
trey3scoon, add input to https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5823 please02:41
tritiumalec, you can do that, but you may want winesetuptk, and wine-doc02:41
schnideExcellent!  I'm off to order unbuntu then02:41
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schnideThanks alot guys, much appreciated02:41
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schnideOh where can I find out about how to dual-boot?02:41
alectritium: thanks for that and do you know if adobe illistrator and pagemaker will work with it02:42
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tritiumalec, I don't know.  You better check www.winehq.com02:42
tuxJr_14hey, where can one find winesetuptk? i searched the whole wine site got only to the mailing list archive (or the discussions)02:42
tritiumtuxJr_14, it's in the repos02:42
jcoxon77hi everyone02:42
tuxJr_14hi jcoxon7702:43
tritiumtuxJr_14, in universe02:43
alectritium: thanks02:43
jcoxon77just a quick question for those running gnome on hoary02:43
scoontrey3, i will log out and into gnome and strace it to post.02:43
jcoxon77the bottom panel - after the upgrade it squashes everything into the left hand corner02:43
jcoxon77is there a way to make it spread out again?02:43
DonLemmiMainVoid: Where in the XF..log do i find the lines telling me which values to use for h- and v-refresh?02:43
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MainVoidDonLemmi: Oh, good question.. it's in the EDID section anyway...02:44
MainVoidDonLemmi: lemme check..02:44
tuxJr_14jcoxon77: does it not move using the middle mouse dragging?02:44
jcoxon77tuxJr_14: no02:44
jcoxon77:)02:44
tritiumjcoxon77, that's not normal, even after upgrading02:44
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jcoxon77its strange - orginally along the panel my programs were spread out02:45
PetarisHas anyone here had issues with evolution-data- eating massive amounts of memmory?02:45
MainVoidPetaris: define "massive"... ;)02:46
tritiumjcoxon77, is it just the window list, or the whole panel, that's shoved into the corner?02:46
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PetarisMainVoid: about 400 MB of physical ram02:47
jcoxon77how do i explain this - the bottom panel allows you to switch between the programs you're running02:47
tuxJr_14Petaris: whOO000ooo ooops02:47
jcoxon77originally they were evenly spaced02:47
netmonkwhen I try to play dvd the sound is fine, but the picture stops every 3 seconds. Is that "normal" for that stage of development, or I need some serious help to make things work?02:48
PetaristuxJr_14: ?02:48
jcoxon77but now they are grouped together in the left corner so that i can only see the icons and not read the names02:48
tritiumjcoxon77, it's the window list applet that does that.  Does your panel span the entire width of the screen is what I'm asking.02:48
tuxJr_14Petaris: 400 MB of physical ram02:48
jcoxon77tritium: yes02:48
jcoxon77tritium: in the right corner is my trash and also virtual desktop switcher02:48
tritiumjcoxon77, can you right-click on the left edge of the window-list applet?02:48
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tritiumand open up the preferences for the Window List02:49
jcoxon77tritium: sorted