[12:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> thanks crimsun
[12:00] <VipeRmaN> Okay I have Ubuntu installed
[12:00] <VipeRmaN> But my internet isn't working
[12:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> sure it is.  you're on irc man. :)
[12:00] <tritium> neighborlee, did you upgrade linux-restricted-modules?
[12:00] <VipeRmaN> I'm on my other computer
[12:00] <neighborlee> VipeRmaN: do you see that your IP is visible via: ifconfig
[12:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> j/k
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> what happens when you ifconfig eth0
[12:01] <VipeRmaN> Umm I don't know, I'm a noob to linux :) how do I do this?
[12:01] <dafox7> does anybody know how I can install my emu10k1 midi sequencer without having to do modprobe all the time ?
[12:01] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: hey, well done
[12:01] <tritium> dafox7, put the module's name in /etc/modules
[12:01] <VipeRmaN> jc help! lol
[12:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> doesn't the linux kernel now have some methed for loading needed modules even if they aren't described in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules?
[12:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh wait..i'm not in slackware anymore.
[12:02] <dafox7> tritium, thanks :-)
[12:02] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: so what's the problem?
[12:02] <neighborlee> tritium: I  thought of that and im pretty sure apt says its the current version
[12:02] <VipeRmaN> I don't think it found my wireless adapter
[12:02] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: okay
[12:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: i get the same error.  i tried : fakeroot ./debian/rules binary_modules KVERS=$(uname -r) KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:03] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: get up a terminal (applications, system tools, root terminal)
[12:03] <VipeRmaN> okay up
[12:03] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: type in dmesg
[12:03] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: is this ubuntu-provided?
[12:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> this module?
[12:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh no.
[12:03] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: yes.
[12:04] <VipeRmaN> wow a bunch of stuff
[12:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's a module to mount an ssh connection.
[12:04] <tritium> neighborlee, could you "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" to verify what packages you have?
[12:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> so i can work on my web site.
[12:04] <neighborlee> tritium: sure np one se c
[12:04] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: ah, I presumed since it was in /usr/src/modules/foo that it was.
[12:04] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: yup, look for eth0 any where
[12:04] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: lufs?
[12:04] <VipeRmaN> ok hold on
[12:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> uh huh
[12:04] <neighborlee> tritium: both nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx are 6629
[12:04] <tritium> neighborlee, use "export COLUMNS=132" (or larger number) if you can't see everything
[12:05] <tritium> neighborlee, ok...
[12:05] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you'll have to check the build instructions for it
[12:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> now i see why this command obviously didn't work.
[12:05] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: actually look for wlan0 or prism2
[12:05] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: not eth0
[12:06] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: sorry wrong network type
[12:06] <VipeRmaN> i was about to say, I see prism2 lol
[12:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> crimsun: on a side note while i have you on the line, where are the settings that give me the apps, places, desktop menus in gnome?
[12:06] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: okay
[12:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just want one menu.
[12:06] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: type in iwconfig into the terminal
[12:06] <dafox7> tritium, what does it mean if my midi plays but there's no sound ?
[12:07] <VipeRmaN> lo no wireless, wlan0 no wireless, sit0 no wireless
[12:07] <neighborlee> would someone t erribly mind posting their CDROM line of sources.list..i'm getting a error on mine and forget what I might have changed to have caused this ....#flood is fine if you wish <<<
[12:07] <dafox7> tritium, i figure it out :-)
[12:07] <tritium> dafox7, oh, okay... :)
[12:07] <tritium> what was it?
[12:07] <quitte> dafox7 maybe no instruments loaded?
[12:07] <meskes> wlan is wifi.
[12:07] <Balthazar> Anybody know why even if I have no audio apps running, it still says my modules are in use? (I'm trying to unload them using either rmmod or modprobe -r)
[12:07] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: type in lsmod
[12:07] <meskes> VipeRmaN: You do know that right? You have a cisco card.
[12:07] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: for hoary, I presume? there are quite a few places. `dpkg -L gnome-menus' will tell you where; look at .directory and .menu files.
[12:07] <VipeRmaN> Okay
[12:08] <VipeRmaN> I have a USB Card
[12:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm not going to use lufs. lufs for Debian
[12:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> ---------------
[12:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> WARNING: THIS IS A HIGHLY EXPERIMENTAL PACKAGE WHICH WILL EAT YOUR DATA
[12:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> FOR LUNCH!
[12:08] <pvh> What's the default sound setup for ubuntu?
[12:08] <jdub> pvh: applications configured to use esound, which talks to alsa via oss-emu.
[12:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> thx
[12:08] <jdub> whiprush: pingy-pong
[12:08] <dafox7> quitte, yeah I jsut figure it out
[12:08] <meskes> afk
[12:08] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: basically i'm looking for prism2 module
[12:08] <VipeRmaN> ok let me look
[12:08] <dafox7> what is the best software for instrument sampling, with vst ?
[12:09] <tritium> dafox7, what was the trouble?
[12:09] <VipeRmaN> prism2_usb
[12:09] <jcoxon77> right
[12:09] <jcoxon77> so when you type in dmesg
[12:09] <jcoxon77> is there an instance of prism2 and wlan0?
[12:09] <quitte> neighborlee: apt-cdrom to recreate the line
[12:09] <jcoxon77> like a sentence with them both in
[12:09] <VipeRmaN> pB0211 is being used by prism2_usb i says
[12:09] <dafox7> tritium, no soundbanks loaded !
[12:09] <jcoxon77> thats good
[12:10] <tritium> dafox7, I see
[12:10] <neighborlee> quitte: hmm handy ..k thx ;00
[12:10] <VipeRmaN> Let me look agian :)
[12:10] <dafox7> tritium, do you know any good sampling software ?
[12:10] <whiprush> jdub: yo
[12:10] <jdub> whiprush: i had something to say
[12:10] <tritium> dafox7, let me see...
[12:10] <jdub> whiprush: i think it was as a result of reading your blog
[12:10] <whiprush> it's better to burn out than to fade away?
[12:10] <jdub> whiprush: so i will refer to it for a moment ;)
[12:11] <jdub> whiprush: ah, that's right.
[12:11] <jdub> whiprush: you guys should join the MOTU instead of maintaining stuff on arslinux.
[12:11] <jdub> whiprush: we are more relaxed about useful updates to universe post-freze.
[12:11] <whiprush> that was my plan.
[12:11] <jdub> whiprush: as long as someone's validating that they work.
[12:11] <whiprush> I wanted a place to blow things up while I learn though.
[12:11] <jdub> ehhxcellent
[12:12] <whiprush> Is there some kind of mentor program or something?
[12:12] <VipeRmaN> Nope not seeing anything
[12:12] <jcoxon77> okay
[12:12] <jdub> whiprush: ubuntu-love starts this week. :)
[12:12] <VipeRmaN> :(
[12:12] <whiprush> k, I'll sign up for that then.
[12:12] <jcoxon77> you're so close
[12:12] <crimsun> ubuntu-love? eh? /me scratches his head
[12:12] <jcoxon77> usually when the driver is loaded (which prism2_usb is) iwconfig should give loads of info on wlan0
[12:13] <VipeRmaN> hmm, but what does it mean when it doesnt?
[12:13] <VipeRmaN> (the adapter is the only thing usb I have right now, cept for my mouse but got it adapted to ps2
[12:13] <tritium> dafox7, all I can think to suggest is to open up synaptic and browse the packages in the "Multimedia" section, particularly in universe and multiverse
[12:13] <crimsun> ah, I see.
[12:13] <carambol> after upgrading to hoary...realplayer does not work
[12:13] <sangriag> Hi, I installed ubuntu in amd64 but it does not get into X, does anyone know?
[12:13] <carambol> how to fix it?
[12:13] <jcoxon77> iwconfig basically configures wireless
[12:14] <carambol> it shows up in mozilla about plugins
[12:14] <VipeRmaN> hmm
[12:14] <tritium> jdub, could you provide a URL for some info on ubuntu-love?
[12:14] <sangriag> Tried startx but no X is running at bootup
[12:15] <William_Cain> Hello.
[12:15] <William_Cain> May one ask for help in here?
[12:15] <tritium> William_Cain, of course :)
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[12:15] <VipeRmaN> when i run the creating a new network connection, dosnt show anything in the drop down for Wireless device
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> this is the exact right palce to ask for help
[12:15] <carambol> how i fix realplayer?
[12:15] <William_Cain> Ok, I'm a little new to Ubuntu, and I wonder about a couple of things.
[12:15] <jcoxon77> got it, you do need to wlan-ng to configure i think
[12:15] <jdub> tritium: heh, not yet, going to announce/webpageise today
[12:15] <jcoxon77> one sec
[12:15] <tritium> carambol, in what way is it broken?
[12:16] <VipeRmaN> okay
[12:16] <Scooter> I am about to install new ATI drivers, should I got to runlevel init 3 first? or can I do it from synaptic? TIA :D this is hoary-64bit BTW :)
[12:16] <William_Cain> Concerning apt-get... How can I view a list of everything I can install?
[12:16] <tritium> jdub, okay, thanks.  I'll keep a look-out for it.
[12:16] <carambol> no bbc
[12:16] <tritium> William_Cain, the easiest way is to browse the packages using the Synaptic Package Manager.
[12:16] <carambol> but RP shows up in the menu
[12:16] <William_Cain> Ok, many thanks.
[12:16] <tritium> there are other ways, but that's what I recommend
[12:16] <adamist> p00p: you still here?
[12:17] <carambol> tritium how to fix it
[12:17] <tritium> William_Cain, if you enable the "universe" and "multiverse" repositories, there will be a lot of additional software available for installation
[12:18] <William_Cain> I believe I have done that.
[12:18] <jcoxon77> go and have a look at http://people.zeelandnet.nl/triade/linux/wl-012.html
[12:18] <tritium> carambol, what do you mean?
[12:18] <carambol> tritium :but totem and mozplugger no problem
[12:18] <VipeRmaN> so is synaptic like linspires CNR? but free?
[12:18] <jcoxon77> i think so
[12:18] <VipeRmaN> ok jcoxon77
[12:18] <tritium> William_Cain, great :)
[12:18] <carambol> if i click a stream-link there is no reaction
[12:18] <jcoxon77> you don't need to do the first bit
[12:19] <jcoxon77> from about section 2.2
[12:19] <tritium> carambol, did you install Marillat's realplayer package, or how did you install it?
[12:19] <William_Cain> I went to this Ubuntu FAQ page, and a lot of useful things were listed there.
[12:19] <William_Cain> But one question remains.
[12:19] <carambol> marillat before dist upgrading
[12:19] <tritium> William_Cain, there's also a wiki, www.ubuntuguide.org, and ubuntu forums
[12:19] <tritium> Check them out too!
[12:20] <William_Cain> Ah, that wiki page is exactly the one I was talking about.
[12:20] <tritium> And of course join us here
[12:20] <VipeRmaN> ok so do exactly what it says?
[12:20] <jcoxon77> no thats the problem
[12:20] <jcoxon77> you need to get wlan-ng installed onto the computer
[12:20] <VipeRmaN> okay how do i do that
[12:20] <adamist> is the multiverse repository in the default sources.list?
[12:20] <tritium> carambol, I'm not sure what the problem may be.  Can you tell me any more?
[12:20] <jcoxon77> sadly cause you don't have an internet connection you can't install it via synaptic
[12:21] <tritium> adamist, no.
[12:21] <VipeRmaN> lol is there a way to download it on here and save it to floppy?
[12:21] <jcoxon77> yes
[12:21] <carambol> maybe it is form the warty backports?
[12:21] <tritium> William_Cain, what's your second question?
[12:21] <William_Cain> Graphic operations are really slow. Most screen savers run at 5 - 10 fps. How can I install the newest drivers for my graphic card? I have Radeon 9700 PRO.
[12:21] <tritium> Ah, an ATI card.  I'm not the best one to ask on that.
[12:21] <VipeRmaN> Where do I get it from?
[12:22] <Scooter> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto     <William_Cain> go here :)
[12:22] <aebcoat> viper you want to saave a package to install on another computer?
[12:22] <William_Cain> Thanks, Scooter. I'll have a look.
[12:22] <adamist> okay, other than universe and multiverse, are there other popular ubuntu repositories?
[12:22] <VipeRmaN> yes aebcoat
[12:22] <HrdwrBoB> adamist: no
[12:22] <Scooter> be sure to get kernel upgrade first if needed
[12:22] <tritium> I've been observing questions from people having lots of trouble with the fglrx driver
[12:22] <carambol> tritium: it does not show up in synaptic
[12:22] <aebcoat> ok if you use synaptic it has an option to download only
[12:22] <jcoxon77> search on google for wlan-ng ubuntu and download the i386.deb
[12:22] <jcoxon77> of wlan-ng
[12:22] <Scooter> if you are pentium 4 go 686
[12:23] <tritium> carambol, "apt-cache policy realplayer" ?
[12:23] <jcoxon77> you shouldn't need any other dependencies
[12:23] <vanRijn> re, all
[12:23] <carambol> ok will try it
[12:23] <vanRijn> is anyone using kde in ubuntu?
[12:23] <VipeRmaN> okay
[12:23] <Riddell> vanRijn: yes
[12:23] <jcoxon77> good luck
[12:24] <vanRijn> Riddell: did you have to do anything special to install it?
[12:24] <aebcoat> one second viper i forgot where it saves it
[12:24] <vanRijn> Riddell: or can you just do apt-get install kdebase, kdepim, etc.?
[12:24] <VipeRmaN> aeb I dont have the internet on the computer I need the file on :)
[12:24] <Riddell> vanRijn: you have to enable the universe repository
[12:25] <carambol> tritium it said realplayer 8: not installed
[12:25] <William_Cain> Another question: When installing packages, I usually download around 400kb/s, but it sometimes drops to 3kb/s for a konsiderably long time. Is this normal?
[12:25] <Riddell> vanRijn: then you can just install it as you say
[12:25] <Riddell> vanRijn: KDE 3.2 is in warty, KDE 3.3 is in hoary
[12:25] <tritium> carambol, I guess that's the problem.  Looks like the dist-upgrade removed it.
[12:25] <meskes> vanRijn:I would think ap-get install kde would work.
[12:25] <adamist> HrdwrBob: thanks!
[12:25] <William_Cain> conesiderably*
[12:25] <VipeRmaN> jcoxon77, is this where i go? http://mirror.isp.net.au/ftp/pub/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux-wlan-ng/
[12:25] <William_Cain> considerably*... Bleh.
[12:25] <vanRijn> hm.
[12:25] <aebcoat> i know viper, you have a computer with ubuntu online though right?
[12:26] <VipeRmaN> Negative
[12:26] <carambol> tritium: how to remve rp10?
[12:26] <vanRijn> I ran debian unstable for 8 years + until last year, when I switched to fedora.  I'm using kde, though, so I'm not sure if ubuntu is worth a reinstall.  =:)
[12:26] <tritium> carambol, how did you install it?  It's not a .deb package, is it?
[12:26] <carambol> apt-get install
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> adamist: no worries
[12:26] <tritium> vanRijn, there's a new project called kubuntu for kde users
[12:26] <jcoxon77> that should work
[12:27] <jcoxon77> i'm not promising anything... :-) but this plan should work
[12:27] <carambol> .bin package,tritium
[12:27] <NaillL> and gubuntu for gnome-users =)
[12:27] <VipeRmaN> which one should I d/l
[12:27] <jcoxon77> one sec
[12:27] <tritium> carambol, I believe the realplayer .bin file saves a .log file somewhere of the actions it takes during installation.  you could try to undo what it did by checking it out
[12:28] <jcoxon77> http://mirror.isp.net.au/ftp/pub/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux-wlan-ng/linux-wlan-ng_0.2.0+0.2.1pre21-1_i386.deb
[12:28] <vanRijn> tritium: yeah, I looked at the wiki for that and it looked like they have some pretty tough challenges ahead of them before they can be successful
[12:28] <tritium> vanRijn, Oh, is that right?  I haven't followed it.
[12:28] <carambol> triitum how to dot that?
[12:28] <VipeRmaN> okay :)
[12:28] <K-Rich> ugh
[12:28] <K-Rich> anyone here use qemu ?
[12:29] <tritium> carambol, first, try to locate the log file.  it may be a hidden file, so use ls -a when searching
[12:29] <carambol> tritium: will try it
[12:29] <tritium> carambol, that's about all I can suggest, since I don't have realplayer installed
[12:29] <gholen> How do I unpack .RAR files
[12:30] <VipeRmaN> okay how do I install it now jcoxon77?
[12:30] <K-Rich> gholen: sudo apt-get install rar
[12:30] <gholen> thx
[12:30] <K-Rich> gholen: then you can use file-roller as usual
[12:31] <jcoxon77> have you got it onto the ubuntu computer
[12:31] <aebcoat> probably a easy question but where is the trash older for root user?
[12:31] <VipeRmaN> hold on having some issues
[12:31] <HrdwrBoB> aebcoat: were you using nauilus as root?
[12:31] <gholen> It says that the pakage does not exist
[12:31] <VipeRmaN> "unable to mount the selected volume" when im trying to get into my floppy
[12:32] <aebcoat> yes bob
[12:32] <jcoxon77> how are you trying to mount the floppy?
[12:32] <tritium> carambol, good luck - dinner time for me...see you later
[12:32] <HrdwrBoB> aebcoat: basically.. don't do that
[12:32] <aebcoat> heh yeah i know its dangerous
[12:32] <HrdwrBoB> aebcoat: that saud, sudo nautilus trash://
[12:32] <HrdwrBoB> will get you the trash
[12:32] <HrdwrBoB> said
[12:33] <VipeRmaN> I want trying to mount it i dont think lol, I put the floppy in this one, put the file on it, put it in the other one, and went to "computer, disks, floppy 1" and when i clicked on flopopy 1 it gave me that message
[12:33] <jcoxon77> hmmm
[12:33] <jcoxon77> sadly i don't have a floppy drive (i run ubuntu ppc on and ibook)
[12:33] <VipeRmaN> lol let me try a diff disk
[12:34] <aebcoat> that did it bob, thanks, i had files owned by root i wanted to get rid of and just used nautilus to erase them instead of using the terminal
[12:34] <scoon> jcoxon77, how does that work out for you.  I am considering getting an ibook.
[12:34] <kent> VipeRmaN, the sad part about Linux/Gnome is that the way to handle floppy's are a bit strange. When you copied files to the floppy, dont just remove tha floppy. Make sure you "unmount" the floppy first before removing it.
[12:35] <Xolt> anyone know if ubuntu has GNUarch as a package? the 'tla' package isnt what i was looking for
[12:35] <VipeRmaN> How do I unmount it?
[12:35] <kent> VipeRmaN, i dont have a floppy so i cant say for sure, but i think rightclicking on the device and selecting unmount is enough.  Otherwise the floppy will get a corrupt filesystem.
[12:36] <VipeRmaN> hey taht worked kent, But I had to "Mount" it on ubuntu
[12:37] <jcoxon77> scoon: it runs really well - i run hoary updated to the minute, fan is not as quiet as in os x and i'm still struggling with dvd playback but overall really good
[12:37] <VipeRmaN> So where should I save it to? (im used to windows)
[12:37] <scoon> jcoxon77, do you use ndiswrapper for the wifi ?
[12:37] <jcoxon77> no
[12:37] <kent> VipeRmaN, yes. Mount and unmount is the way.  (the cd's are handled in the same way, but gnome is a bit better on hiding the "mounting" part for cdroms)
[12:38] <jcoxon77> scoon: i don't have the wireless option
[12:38] <VipeRmaN> :)
[12:38] <scoon> jcoxon77, ah.
[12:38] <jcoxon77> scoon: instead i have a usb zd1201
[12:38] <jdub> Xolt: bazaar.canonical.com :)
[12:38] <jdub> Xolt: you can use it, or tla.
[12:38] <VipeRmaN> So where should I save this file to? is there a folder somewhere? (I'm used to things like C:)
[12:38] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: copy it to your home folder
[12:38] <VipeRmaN> ok
[12:39] <VipeRmaN> um says i dont have permissions to write to this folder?
[12:39] <VipeRmaN> oh nvm
[12:39] <VipeRmaN> had to click on my name
[12:40] <VipeRmaN> ok now its on the computer
[12:40] <jcoxon77> okay, now load up the root terminal again
[12:40] <jcoxon77> and type these commands
[12:40] <VipeRmaN> okay
[12:40] <jcoxon77> everything in inverted commas type
[12:41] <jcoxon77> "ls" enter
[12:41] <jcoxon77> you should see the file
[12:41] <jcoxon77> yer?
[12:41] <jcoxon77> yes?
[12:41] <VipeRmaN> yes
[12:41] <diego> hi all. i can't seem to get this machine to boot the install disc. it's an hp pavilion 8240. the error message is "Loading isolinux: Disk error 01, AX = 4286, drive 9F". any ideas?
[12:42] <jcoxon77> now "dpkg -i"
[12:42] <jcoxon77> followed by a space
[12:42] <jcoxon77> and then the file name
[12:42] <aebcoat> diego is it a cdrw disc or a -r?
[12:42] <jcoxon77> qucik hint type the first few letters and then press tab to complete the filename
[12:42] <kent> diego, tried burning at a lower speed? it might help, i have had problems my self booting cd's that are burnt in high speed :(
[12:43] <diego> aebcoat: -r, i tried 2
[12:43] <diego> kent: did you get that error?
[12:43] <aebcoat> did you run a md5 against the iso?
[12:43] <VipeRmaN> and then enter jco?
[12:44] <diego> aebcoat: well one of them is actively installing on another computer without any trouble right now
[12:44] <jcoxon77> yup
[12:44] <aebcoat> oh ok
[12:44] <jcoxon77> sorry
[12:44] <kent> diego, no, not that one.. but random errors becaus the filesystem is corrupted, i think.
[12:44] <VipeRmaN> okay
[12:44] <jcoxon77> did it work
[12:44] <jcoxon77> ?
[12:44] <diego> any other ideas besides a bad cd?
[12:44] <DAC1138> new kernel still didnt work :-(
[12:44] <DAC1138> this is pissing me off
[12:45] <aebcoat> may try another cd drive
[12:45] <VipeRmaN> ok jcox
[12:45] <VipeRmaN> its back to the prompt
[12:45] <jcoxon77> type "wlanctl-ng" enter
[12:45] <diego> aebcoat: possibly, i guess i should try to figure out what that error means
[12:45] <aebcoat> sometimes the cd drive is bad but still works
[12:46] <diego> is there a channel for isolinux?
[12:46] <VipeRmaN> ok now what
[12:46] <jcoxon77> what came up?
[12:46] <aebcoat> if nothing else try to clean a drive with a done of them cleaning drives or use compressed air
[12:46] <Cindux> compressed air pwnz :P
[12:46] <Cindux> i had so much crap in my fan it was unbelievable
[12:46] <Cindux> thick chunks
[12:46] <VipeRmaN> um what is supposed to be here? thers a few things
[12:46] <aebcoat> heh
[12:47] <Cindux> diego just try the general Linux channel, #linux
[12:47] <jcoxon77> we need to look back at that guide i found
[12:47] <jcoxon77> one sec
[12:47] <VipeRmaN> ok
[12:47] <diego> well thanks for the help
[12:48] <Cindux> um
[12:48] <Cindux> Anyone here who uses ebay,
[12:48] <jcoxon77> http://people.zeelandnet.nl/triade/linux/wl-012.html
[12:48] <Cindux> the "Buy It Now" feature allows me to buy it despite the auction right ?
[12:48] <aebcoat> yes
[12:48] <Cindux> and the person auctioning the item
[12:48] <Cindux> cant do nuttin
[12:48] <Cindux> ?
[12:48] <Cindux> say it was 50 buy it now
[12:48] <Cindux> and someone bidded 60
[12:48] <Cindux> but ti wasnt over
[12:49] <VipeRmaN> ok what am i to do?
[12:49] <aebcoat> if you buy it now it will automatically take you to paypal to pay them
[12:49] <Cindux> nm lol
[12:49] <Cindux> oh knows
[12:49] <agd5f> how does on install hoary? is there a iso or do I have to install warty first then upgrade packages?
[12:49] <Cindux> i dunt got paypal :9
[12:49] <jcoxon77> Cindux: if you buy it now at 50, you will pay 50 and they have to sell it to you at 50, thats the contract.
[12:49] <Cindux> ic
[12:50] <Cindux> aren't there any other ways to
[12:50] <Cindux> Buy It Now rather than paypal
[12:50] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: type in the console "gedit /etc/wlan/wlan.conf" enter
[12:51] <aebcoat> i think their is cindux but just make sure he seller will acceot your chosen method
[12:51] <VipeRmaN> okay
[12:51] <jcoxon77> Cindux: check the users paying options and if it says you can pay it by cheque even if its a Buy It Now.
[12:52] <Cindux> hm
[12:52] <adamist> i see libflac4 is causing dependency problems.  does someone know the command for building the libsdl-sound deb from source?
[12:52] <dseomn> hool
[12:53] <dseomn> sry, wrong window (gaim froze)
[12:53] <jcoxon77> VipeRmaN: you need to edit SSID_wlan0="
[12:53] <VipeRmaN> ok to what
[12:54] <jcoxon77> your wireless access points name
[12:55] <VipeRmaN> okay
[12:55] <adamist> does anyone know the apt command to build a package from the source repository?
[12:55] <levander> i'm on gnome-look.org and see gtk themes and metacity themes, i've already installed the metacity theme that i want via Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Theme.  Now, how do I install the gtk theme??
[12:55] <levander> can find instructions nowhere
[12:55] <jcoxon77> after this save the file
[12:56] <jcoxon77> and then restart your computer
[12:56] <VipeRmaN> ok
[12:56] <jcoxon77> then everything should automagically configure itself
[12:56] <kent> levander, download them from the internet and then from the theme-manager you should be able to install them
[12:56] <jcoxon77> i hope! :)
[12:56] <VipeRmaN> I hope too!!! :)
[12:56] <Cindux> bah
[12:56] <Cindux> im buying a mini pc :p
[12:57] <VipeRmaN> should i click "save current setup" on the log out screen?
[12:57] <Cindux> never2
[12:57] <kent> levander, or unpackage the themes to .themes in your home and the icon-themes to .icons  in your home
[12:57] <levander> kent, i think that's only for metacity themes, when i use install from gnome-theme-manager for what gnome-look.org calls a gtk theme, the new theme doesn't show up in the icon list
[12:57] <jcoxon77> no no need
[12:58] <VipeRmaN> ok just making sure
[12:58] <kent> levander, in the theme-manager, if you press "details" and then in the controls section (which is gtk+ themes) try to install the theme from there, it might work?
[12:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't seem to mount a samba share over ssh.  if this is so hard, how do web sites ever get done?
[12:59] <meskes> You dont mount samba over ssh.
[12:59] <meskes> smb is way too flacky of a protocol for something like that.
[01:00] <levander> kent, i'll try thanks
[01:00] <kent> levander, otherwise unpack the gtk-theme to .themes in your home. it should work aswell.
[01:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> of course you do.
[01:01] <Ephemeral> does anyone know where i can get the shockwave flash plug in for firefox?
[01:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> how else can you edit a web site?
[01:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> flash is proprietary.
[01:02] <gholen> It does not work, it says that the package "rar" could not be finded, how do I do then? thanks for the help
[01:02] <kent> Ephemeral, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:02] <levander> kent, fuck, something i did already put the bluecurve theme in ~/.themes/gtkrc, but at the very least, the background color isn't the same as what I saw on the web page, do i have to restart gnome?
[01:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> meskes: how else do you propose i mount my web site directory so i can work on it?
[01:03] <meskes> Dont use windows?
[01:03] <kent> levander, hmm, sounds like the theme did not install properly.  Try unpacking it to .themes in your homedir and change the theme again. otherwise,.. im not sure :)
[01:03] <kent> gholen, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> meskes: i use linux.
[01:04] <kent> gholen, oh.. sorry, wrong person.
[01:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> meskes: my site is hosted on a linux box.
[01:04] <gholen> gotta check it
[01:04] <gholen> okej=)
[01:04] <meskes> Then why are you wanting to use Samba?
[01:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> gholen: you speak esperanto or something?
[01:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> what else can i use?
[01:04] <meskes> thats utterly stupid
[01:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm trying to mount a remote directory.
[01:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> great.  tell me what's better.
[01:04] <randabis-laptop> nfs?
[01:04] <meskes> BROKEN_LADDER: ssh && scp
[01:05] <randabis-laptop> samba is for windows shares...
[01:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> scp?
[01:05] <meskes> nothing more, nothing less.
[01:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> randabis no kidding!
[01:05] <randabis-laptop> lolz
[01:05] <meskes> BROKEN_LADDER: Hell, for that matter, FTP
[01:05] <gholen> BROKEN_LADDER; no, I speak swedish, but I guess thats not a big help, huh?
[01:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> how am i supposed to mount an ftp share?
[01:05] <meskes> You dont.
[01:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> you type a j instead of a y.
[01:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> wtf
[01:06] <meskes> You copy the files over.
[01:06] <meskes> BROKEN_LADDER: You are dainbramaged, arent you?
[01:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> perhap.
[01:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh my gawd
[01:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> you are proposing that i copy a file and edit it, and every time i save it i copy it back over ftp?
[01:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's insane.
[01:07] <Ephemeral> ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the
[01:07] <Ephemeral>        Macromedia Flash Player installer.
[01:07] <jdub> guys, keep it nice please
[01:07] <Ephemeral> ah crap
[01:07] <tritium> why am I not surprised that the moment I get back, BROKEN_RECORD is talking about flash being proprietary
[01:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> tritium: is it not?
[01:07] <tritium> I just know you too well by now :)
[01:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> i said that almost to be funny.  although i don't use flash ever.
[01:08] <Ephemeral> looks like no flash for me :/
[01:08] <meskes> YOU DONT MOUNT /REMOTE/ FS's with samba and most certainly NOT on a fileserver.
[01:08] <meskes> err web server
[01:08] <BROKEN_LADDER> meskes: then why are there howtos about doing it?
[01:08] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, :)
[01:09] <meskes> BROKEN_LADDER: How long have you used Linux?
[01:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> like two years.
[01:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> i used to use slack though.
[01:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> just started using ubuntu.
[01:09] <meskes> sigh
[01:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> read this meskes http://www.ibiblio.org/gferg/ldp/Samba-with-SSH/Samba-with-SSH.html#toc4
[01:09] <meskes> BROKEN_LADDER: if you want to use something like that to a remote site, use ipsec.
[01:09] <BROKEN_LADDER> you must realize that the idea of ftping files over every single time you make a change is utterly ridiculous.
[01:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> meskes: now there's a thought.
[01:10] <iMeXdiAC> jdub randabis .. about the font: gnome location i wrote earlier .. the thing i was struggling over was that the new installed/dragged font shows only up after a gnome restart in fonts:
[01:10] <insanekane> hi, .... how do i burn an iso in ubuntu ?
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: smb acheives precisely the same thing, however if you already have ssh acess
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> access
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> ... use ssh
[01:10] <popey> insanekane, cdrecord
[01:10] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: one would hope that you'd patiently sit down and follow the documentation.
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> ssh://user@host/
[01:10] <dseomn> insanekane: open the folder in nautilus, right click on the iso, and write to disk
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> you can use that in nautilus
[01:10] <knghtbrd> insanekane: I typically use cdrecord from the cmdline, it's faster if you have an ISO handy
[01:10] <insanekane> dseomn, thanks
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> drag and drop the files onto it
[01:10] <kent> BROKEN_LADDER, cant gnome handle files over ssh? Just use the connect to server dialog and then gnome will browse the remote as a local filesystem.. shouldn't that work for you?
[01:11] <insanekane> the problem is cdrecord --scanbus doesnt find any devices :((
[01:11] <Safari_Al> Can anyone here shed any light on why ncpfs is not in the Packages file for i386 for warty's universe?
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> kent: yep
[01:11] <popey> insanekane, ignore that
[01:11] <meskes> kent: Theres a thought too
[01:11] <knghtbrd> insanekane: in 2.6 you don't need it to find devices  =)
[01:11] <tritium> insanekane, is at ATAPI?
[01:11] <popey> insanekane, cdrecord dev=/dev/hdX where X is your cd burner
[01:11] <insanekane> popey, oh ok cool
[01:11] <insanekane> knghtbrd, popey, tritium: thanks :)
[01:11] <popey> np
[01:11] <insanekane> it seems to be working now
[01:11] <popey> \o/
[01:11] <meskes> Man, Im getting very upset with Cisco
[01:12] <Fleebailey33> anyone have have experienve with a tivo box. using something such as freevo?
[01:12] <meskes> They wont reset my pass
[01:12] <dseomn> Fleebailey33: you mean making a homemade one, not modifying a tivo, right?
[01:12] <knghtbrd> Fleebailey33: I have an old series 1 tivo.  I haven't replaced its OS because I couldn't get any people seriously interested in doing what I wanted to do.
[01:12] <tritium> insanekane, if you want to configure cdrecord, you can try "cdrecord dev=ATAPI: --scanbus"
[01:13] <Fleebailey33> yes. making a home made one.
[01:13] <Fleebailey33> i want other uses. but mainly tivo
[01:13] <insanekane> tritium, ok
[01:13] <meskes> Fleebailey33: MythTV
[01:13] <insanekane> brb
[01:13] <popey> Fleebailey33, freevo and mythtv are both good
[01:13] <kent> godnight.
[01:13] <Fleebailey33> what parts would i need? i can get a p3 for free
[01:14] <knghtbrd> Fleebailey33: if you can get MPEG capture, you're good to go.
[01:14] <knghtbrd> else you might need a bigger CPU
[01:14] <dseomn> knghtbrd: I thought the official ubuntu stance was to use theora
[01:14] <Pluk> BROKEN_LADDER, you could check lufs-source and lufs-utils for ftpfs
[01:15] <Pluk> it also supports sshfs and httpfs
[01:15] <tritium> Fleebailey33, there are mythtv packages available in multiverse
[01:15] <Fleebailey33> what kind of video card would i need?
[01:15] <popey> one with tv out :D
[01:15] <Fleebailey33> i also want to make this with remote access on a powerbook
[01:15] <tritium> check out http://www.mythtv.org/
[01:15] <knghtbrd> dseomn: theora?  isn't that a video codec?
[01:16] <knghtbrd> oh!
[01:16] <Fleebailey33> going to fun
[01:16] <Fleebailey33> going to be fun*
[01:16] <knghtbrd> no, seriously, you want MPEG2
[01:16] <knghtbrd> in hardware.
[01:16] <popey> Fleebailey33, remote access?
[01:16] <Fleebailey33> yes
[01:16] <dseomn> knghtbrd: oh, I thought you meant software
[01:16] <Xolt> ubuntu's tla package isnt the real gnuarch package though...
[01:16] <popey> Fleebailey33, you planning to stream the video over the network?
[01:16] <Fleebailey33> yeah
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> knghtbrd: or HDTV
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> knghtbrd: which is native MPEG2, no dramas
[01:17] <knghtbrd> if you combine that with an MPEG decoder (Hollywood+ or DXR3 or something), you need VERY little CPU overhead.
[01:17] <knghtbrd> in fact, that's how the series 1 TiVo does it with a 53MHz CPU  ;)
[01:17] <jdub> Xolt: erm...?
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> not to mention higher quality
[01:17] <carambol> waht is the command to remove a directory withforce?
[01:17] <knghtbrd> MPEG2 decoder and encoder.
[01:17] <neighborlee> hi all.I have a nasty x cpu useage of around 20% or so...how do I tell whats causing it..ie: no other processes are taking cpu time ..??? ( kernel 2.6.10  and nvidia 6629 btw)
[01:17] <Xolt> jdub, ubuntu's tla package isnt like gnuarch.org
[01:17] <dseomn> carambol: rm -rf
[01:17] <jdub> Xolt: in what way?
[01:17] <carambol> ok
[01:17] <carambol> thnx
[01:17] <Xolt> all ways? i cant even 'tla register' an archive
[01:18] <jdub> tla register-archive is the command
[01:19] <knghtbrd> dseomn: capture cards come in two flavours, raw/MJPEG and MPEG.  You want MPEG if you want to not need a boatload of spare CPU cycles
[01:19] <dseomn> knghtbrd: I never knew that (though it should have been obvious b/c it's similar to RAID cards)
[01:20] <jordi> wow, knghtbrd. What's up dude?
[01:20] <nevyn> and you want mjpeg/raw if you want complete control over encoding
[01:21] <knghtbrd> hi jordi
[01:21] <knghtbrd> nevyn: most people don't want their TV recorder to sound like an aircraft coming in for a landing
[01:21] <knghtbrd> the average high-power PC sounds like that
[01:22] <nevyn> the backend CAN be somewhere else.
[01:22] <nevyn> ie. basement machine room. under stairs.
[01:22] <dseomn> nevyn: that adds cost though
[01:22] <popey> indeed, friend of mine has his media box PXE boot from another machine
[01:22] <nevyn> only the frontend needs to be at the TV
[01:22] <popey> dseomn, not if you already have a server..
[01:23] <jordi> knghtbrd: in case you don't remember, I realise I changed my nickname. I was Oskuro, from #debian-*
[01:23] <dseomn> popey: good point
[01:23] <jordi> knghtbrd: what are you doing, these days?
[01:26] <William_Cain> Hi.
[01:27] <K-Rich> greets
[01:27] <Cindux> with an ethernet port you dont need an internal modem right
[01:27] <William_Cain> I have a problem with my desktop backround tool.
[01:27] <William_Cain> It crashes when I try to open it.
[01:27] <knghtbrd> jordi: Psychology, special education, Palm development (mostly pilot-link), and various things with Macs
[01:28] <farruinn> can anyone suggest a better calendar app than evolution?
[01:28] <cardador> farruinn: sunbird
[01:28] <popey> fabbione, sunbird
[01:28] <cardador> eheh wrong guuy
[01:28] <popey> oops
[01:28] <farruinn> yeah, it happens
[01:28] <popey> damn tab completion
[01:29] <farruinn> I think he's a dev though...
[01:29] <William_Cain> Does anyone know what I can do to fix the broken desktop background properties program?
[01:29] <farruinn> so sunbird - sounds like a mozilla project
[01:29] <popey> it is
[01:29] <K-Rich> calendar
[01:30] <farruinn> William_Cain: are you using warty or hoary?
[01:30] <William_Cain> I'm using Warty.
[01:31] <William_Cain> Is Hoary an older version of Ubuntu?
[01:31] <ajmitch> William_Cain: no, newer, unreleased & in development
[01:31] <kbrooks> no
[01:31] <kbrooks> newer.
[01:31] <William_Cain> If it may be of any help, I just installed ATI graphic card drivers.
[01:33] <William_Cain> I'd really like to change my desktop background. The current one is most boring.
[01:33] <Cindux> hm
[01:33] <farruinn> do you get some sort of error?
[01:33] <tritium> William_Cain, not sure about that.  I thought that was an old bug that was fixed.
[01:33] <Cindux> GIMP's very powerful, no doubt you can design some sort of pattern yourself
[01:33] <William_Cain> Indeed I do...
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> William_Cain: right click change desktop background
[01:33] <tritium> New install, right?  Did you update and upgrade?
[01:34] <Cindux> check out http://www.deviantart.com
[01:34] <William_Cain> New install?
[01:34] <Cindux> you'llfind excellent wallpapers
[01:34] <William_Cain> I have the most excellent wallpapers you could dream of.
[01:34] <Cindux> lol
[01:34] <William_Cain> I just can't apply them because I get an error when opening the desktop background program, and it closes.
[01:34] <Cindux> I design my own :D
[01:34] <K-Rich> same here
[01:35] <popey> they're clearly not that excellent then are they :P
[01:35] <Cindux> except for a few abstracts I found on deviant
[01:35] <William_Cain> I find mine at www.digitalblasphemy.com.
[01:35] <Cindux> excellent site as well
[01:35] <William_Cain> I don't have the time to make my own.
[01:35] <popey> i dont have the skill to make my own
[01:36] <K-Rich> i make mine using www.blender3d.org and www.gimp.org and www.inkscape.org :P
[01:36] <William_Cain> The error I get is:
[01:36] <William_Cain> The Application "gnome-background-properties" has quit unexpectedly.
[01:37] <tritium> K-Rich, you use inkscape?  Do you know if it can edit postscript, eps, and pdf images?
[01:37] <William_Cain> I sometimes make things in 3D Studio Max, but I'm mainly a programmer, so it's not my favourite area.
[01:38] <kbrooks> William_Cain, windows?
[01:38] <kbrooks> do you use windows
[01:38] <William_Cain> Windows?
[01:38] <William_Cain> If I understand your question right, then yes, I use Windows. Windows XP to be precise.
[01:39] <William_Cain> Windows 2000 too, actually.
[01:39] <farruinn> William_Cain: does the same thing happen when you try to start it by right-clicking the desktop>change background?
[01:39] <William_Cain> Yes, it does.
[01:41] <William_Cain> So, can I reinstall it or something?
[01:41] <farruinn> that's the best thing I can tell you
[01:41] <ubhuti> ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed!
[01:42] <William_Cain> Is he a god of some sort?
[01:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> Pluk: the readme for lufs says that it's very unstable and dangerous
[01:42] <dseomn> what does ubhuti mean?
[01:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> ubuntu?
[01:42] <Pluk> BROKEN_LADDER, you gotta live on the wild side!
[01:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's described on ubuntulinux.org
[01:43] <Pluk> --;
[01:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> Pluk: i wish i could do that ssh mount thing, but lufs says it will EAT YOUR DATA FOR LUNCH
[01:43] <K-Rich> tritium: yes it can import at least
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: open a nautilus window
[01:43] <Pluk> lol hehe better not try it then :)
[01:43] <dseomn> BROKEN_LADDER: no, ubhuti, the bot that said root has landed
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: press ctrl+l
[01:43] <CKKnight> nautilus sftp://
[01:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> HrdwrBoB: i've done all this.
[01:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> but okay
[01:43] <tritium> K-Rich, thanks.  I might check it out.
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: type ssh://user@server.location/
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> drag and drop files
[01:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> that doesn't work.
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> watch, enjoy
[01:44] <William_Cain> My problem persists. Does anyone know how I can, say, reinstall the "gnome-background-properties" program?
[01:44] <p00p> any way to tell why the sound that gdm plays when it gets to the login screen plays like 8 times in short succession?
[01:44] <CKKnight> BROKEN_LADDER: it's sftp://, not ssh://
[01:44] <K-Rich> tritium: save as well
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> William_Cain: run it from the command line and see what it says
[01:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> HrdwrBoB: it just allows me to copy files.  it doesn't allow apps like gimp to use themas hough they were remotely mounted.
[01:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> them as
[01:44] <popey> William_Cain, that probably wont help
[01:44] <tritium> K-Rich, thanks :)
[01:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> er..mounted.
[01:44] <William_Cain> Ok.
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: I was under the impression you needed to upload files for web development
[01:45] <William_Cain> Uhm, hehe, how do I run it from command line?
[01:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> i want to be able to edit my site.
[01:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> as in, access the files directly.  i can't just copy files over every time i make a change.
[01:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> that would take forever.
[01:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm going to try to set up nfs
[01:45] <popey> William_Cain, just open a terminal and type "gnome-background-properties"
[01:45] <William_Cain> Ok, thanks.
[01:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> does nfs have a secure mode?
[01:45] <popey> BROKEN_LADDER, thats what rsync is for
[01:45] <popey> just upload the changes
[01:45] <William_Cain> It still crashes.
[01:46] <adamist> btw, if someone is having libflac dependency problems, you can use apt-build to work around them
[01:46] <popey> but does it give an error message William_Cain ?
[01:46] <popey> BROKEN_LADDER, you're asking for trouble editing directly on the web.. what if you screw it up? where's the backup?
[01:46] <farruinn> William_Cain: anything helpful in the output?
[01:46] <adamist> details on apt-build at http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html
[01:47] <zenwhen> Oh great
[01:47] <zenwhen> squid is broken now
[01:47] <Buuyo^> You wouldn't believe it. The craziest thing is happening with my ubuntu. (It uses debian network/interfaces). It thinks my bridge device is a wireless network device.
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> William_Cain: yes, but does it give an error
[01:47] <William_Cain> No, it just says that "The Application "gnome-background-properties" has quit unexpectedly."
[01:47] <zenwhen> sure am glad I upgraded lol
[01:47] <robertj> William: are you running warty?
[01:47] <popey> William_Cain, did you do this in a terminal?
[01:48] <William_Cain> I've tried to open it in every way known to man.
[01:48] <popey> in a terminal?
[01:48] <CKKnight> hehe - while true; do sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; sleep 60; done
[01:48] <William_Cain> Yes.
[01:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> popey: i keep backup files.
[01:48] <robertj> I ran into that before
[01:48] <Xolt> hmm what relation does yywrap() have to gcc compilers?
[01:48] <popey> and it produced no error messages in the terminal?
[01:48] <William_Cain> It always produce that error message.
[01:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> popey: i regularly copy my entire web directory to a backup.
[01:48] <William_Cain> No matter how you start it.
[01:48] <popey> William_Cain, no, NOT the popup box.. IN the terminal!
[01:49] <robertj> William: yeah, that's a problem, I don't know what causes it
[01:49] <HrdwrBoB> William_Cain: what we're saying is that there should be more output in the terminal related to that errr
[01:49] <HrdwrBoB> error
[01:49] <William_Cain> Ok...
[01:49] <William_Cain> When I write "gnome-background-properties" in my terminal, the program opens and crashes.
[01:50] <farruinn> it prints some stuff out in the terminal first though?
[01:50] <Cindux> ls sls slslslsl
[01:50] <William_Cain> No, nothing.
[01:50] <popey> William_Cain, you could try moving/renaming/deleting the file ~./gnome2/backgrounds.xml as it may be b0rked
[01:50] <Cindux> Does anyone know where the default backgrounds for ubuntu are stored?
[01:50] <Cindux> i'd like to put mine in the same DIR
[01:51] <dseomn> Cindux: why?
[01:51] <Cindux> meh, I like to stay organized
[01:51] <regeya> usually I get annoyed at 'why?' questions, but I agree.
[01:51] <William_Cain> If I delete the file "~./gnome2/backgrounds.xml," will anything bad happen?
[01:51] <p00p> does anyone know how i can tell why the GDM startup sound plays like 8 times in a row?
[01:51] <Cindux> I dont like having the same thing in seperate places thats all
[01:51] <robertj> does anyone know how to unlock firefox profiles?
[01:51] <popey> William_Cain, move or rename it
[01:51] <popey> so you can put it back
[01:51] <dseomn> Cindux: /usr/share/backgrounds/ if you must know
[01:51] <William_Cain> Ok.
[01:52] <Cindux> one more queston :D
[01:52] <Xolt> hmm what relation does yywrap() have to gcc compilers?
[01:52] <Cindux> < - Linux noob
[01:52] <Cindux> How can I get there TO put the backgrounds in ?
[01:52] <Cindux> should i open something like GIMP & then do save as
[01:52] <William_Cain> <- Pretty fresh to Linux himself.
[01:53] <dseomn> Cindux: if you're a noob, *definitely* don't mess with the fhs (file hierarchy standard)
[01:53] <popey> Cindux, you could do "sudo cp directory_containing_images/* /usr/share/backgrounds"
[01:53] <Cindux> and that will just move them ?
[01:53] <popey> noflex, copy
[01:53] <popey> replace cp with mv to move
[01:54] <Cindux> sudo sp home/desktop/image.jpg*/usr/share/backgrounds ? ?  ?
[01:54] <dseomn> cp
[01:54] <Cindux> oh
[01:54] <Cindux> cp = copy /
[01:54] <popey> and with a space after the star
[01:54] <Cindux> oh
[01:54] <tritium> William_Cain, I think this is your bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2557
[01:54] <dseomn> Cindux: the star isn't necessary for one image
[01:55] <popey> William_Cain, is it still crashing
[01:55] <Cindux> then what would i do ??
[01:55] <popey> what do you *want* to do?
[01:55] <William_Cain> Yes, that seems to be the bug!
[01:55] <Cindux> ?
[01:55] <Cindux> oh
[01:55] <Cindux> I simply want to move an image into the default background folder for ubuntu
[01:55] <popey> then yes, just take out the star
[01:55] <dseomn> Cindux: "sudo cp home/desktop/image.jpg /usr/share/backgrounds"
[01:56] <Cindux> but isnt cp = copy ?
[01:56] <Cindux> someone said to use mv if movin g
[01:56] <popey> as I said, replace cp with mv for move
[01:56] <Cindux> oh
[01:56] <Cindux> lo
[01:56] <dseomn> Cindux: no, this is *nix not MS-DOS
[01:56] <Cindux> thank you :P
[01:56] <Cindux> :(
[01:56] <William_Cain> Ok, so we found the bug. How can we fix it?
[01:57] <popey> heh
[01:57] <dseomn> Cindux: we *nix ppl use abbrs
[01:57] <Cindux> pff
[01:57] <regeya> haha
[01:57] <Cindux> lol
[01:57] <popey> no William_Cain we found the bug *report* not the bug :D
[01:57] <DonL> Here's what I do: I have a home folder called photos that I put all my nice pictures in. When I find one I want to use for a background, I right click on the desktop, choose new background, surf to that folder, and install it. Even if I change it later, that picture is still there, still available from the backgron=unds
[01:57] <Cindux> I downloaded 12-13 ebooks so hopefully ill fully understand soon
[01:57] <popey> ditto DonL
[01:57] <regeya> UNIX COMMAND NAMING SCHEME:  pick two random characters.
[01:57] <Cindux> first ones history of linux which is cool so far
[01:58] <nevyn> regeya: no think of whatever you want to do reduce it to as few letters as possible.
[01:58] <dseomn> Cindux: (just for background info) the star is called a wildcard, it matches any 0 or more characters
[01:58] <William_Cain> Ok, the bug report...
[01:58] <Cindux> blink
[01:58] <nevyn> dseomn: in globbing.
[01:58] <Cindux> lol i got confused
[01:58] <nevyn> in regex it means something else
[01:58] <Cindux> i did some programming and * meant multiply
[01:58] <William_Cain> It says that this program shouldn't crash.
[01:58] <Cindux> than kjs
[01:58] <William_Cain> So I wonder what I may have done.
[01:58] <dseomn> nevyn: I know, this is in a shell glob
[01:58] <nevyn> Cindux: oh it does that too.
[01:58] <Cindux> lol
[01:58] <popey> William_Cain, did you try moving the xml file out?
[01:58] <nevyn> having globbing AND regexs suck.
[01:59] <Cindux> i still dont get why people use windows other than games = /
[01:59] <nevyn> we should have a glob based searching thing.
[01:59] <William_Cain> No, I don't know where it's located...
[01:59] <Cindux> im a moron when it comes to installing n crap
[01:59] <HaRDaWaY> hi!!!
[01:59] <CKKnight> Cindux: it's "reliable"
[01:59] <popey> William_Cain, in your home directory there is a directory called .gnome2
[01:59] <popey> its there
[01:59] <dseomn> nevyn: I wonder if psh will combine them
[01:59] <nevyn> CKKnight: it's well designed has a flexible and usable permission system
[02:00] <William_Cain> How can I turn on some kind of "show hidden files and folders" feature in File Browser?
[02:00] <dseomn> nevyn: define "usable" please
[02:00] <nevyn> oh. it has a modern graphics drawing system
[02:00] <HaRDaWaY> mmm i need sources.list of hoary, there are any web to get it? i have only a few of repositories
[02:00] <nevyn> dseomn: DACLS are good. really. unix permissions suck and acls on linux are a pain in the ass.
[02:00] <heliolith> Quickpoll Question: Does anyone here use tkpgp for running PGP on Ubuntu?  If not, what do you use instead?  (Answers inform my decision on which app to install)
[02:00] <popey> William_Cain, edit --> preferences -->
[02:00] <HaRDaWaY> and..packages as ettercap, i havent it
[02:01] <William_Cain> Hurray! The problem is solved.
[02:01] <dseomn> nevyn: what's wrong with *nix perms?
[02:01] <William_Cain> Thanks a million, popey.
[02:01] <DonL> What happened?
[02:01] <popey> William_Cain, no problem
[02:01] <popey> he moved the xml config file out of the way
[02:01] <nevyn> dseomn: they're inflexible.
[02:01] <tritium> heliolith, I think there's someting called seahorse
[02:01] <popey> and on that note, time for bed
[02:01] <dseomn> nevyn: name one thing you can't do with them?
[02:02] <DonL> I'm off as well
[02:02] <heliolith> tritium thanks
[02:02] <nevyn> dseomn: how can I have a group of writers who can create documents editors that can change documents but not create documents and plebs who can't do anything
[02:02] <tritium> heliolith, sure.  I've never used it, but I know it's a gnome app.
[02:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't find the preferences that define the gnome menu in ubunt.
[02:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> where are they?
[02:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> like i want that "places" "desktop" stuff all in one menu.
[02:03] <Mhisani> hi I got a  daft question, I want to forward a port to another machine and I already have a NAT. how do i achive that
[02:03] <heliolith> I'm seeing its summary now in Synaptic.  Says it's a frontend for GnuPG which is a PGP alternative... good I'm sure, unless your contacts use PGP
[02:03] <tritium> there's also gpgp
[02:03] <aebcoat> i got a quick question, anyone know how to set up a screesnaver to act like the "My pictures" one in Win XP where it just displays random pictures
[02:03] <nevyn> dseomn: NT's DACLS are much much better than unix permissions. really
[02:03] <aToaster> Afternoon guys
[02:03] <popey> BROKEN_LADDER, on my machine I right click the menu and choose "help" to find out
[02:04] <dseomn> nevyn: ok, I see how that works, thanks
[02:04] <aToaster> Anyone try the new ATI drivers for Linux?  know how well they work? with cedega?
[02:04] <popey> aebcoat, there is a screensaver already that does that.. i can't remember the name
[02:05] <nevyn> dseomn: don't get me wrong linux rocks but it has deficiencies and ignoring them doesn't make them go away.
[02:05] <heliolith> tritium, yeah, but I think GPGP is also independent of PGP.... ie. i couldn't use it with my pgp keys, or with anyone else that's using pgp, but would have to get contacts to switch over as well...  I'm going to try tkpgp which claims to be a front end for either
[02:05] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, the .desktop files are in /usr/share/applications
[02:05] <tritium> heliolith, okay, sorry
[02:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> tritium: i'm not talking about the .desktop files.
[02:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> i mean..the files that actually define which menus exist.
[02:06] <nevyn> heliolith: gpg can interoperate with pgp 5
[02:06] <popey> BROKEN_LADDER, the help explains it
[02:06] <heliolith> nevyn oh really? do you use it? you think gpgp is better than tkpgp?
[02:06] <nevyn> heliolith: it supports OpenPGP keys which pgp 5 also supports. but I don't think it supports 3des keys
[02:06] <mandan> hi I need help configuring dialup on Ubuntu... does anyone know what program I can use?
[02:06] <aToaster> Anyone use the new ATI drivers?
[02:06] <nevyn> heliolith: I'm a commandline kinda guy.
[02:07] <regeya> mandan: I suggest pppconfig, rather than the gnome system tool
[02:07] <nevyn> heliolith: I have little scripts for doing stuff like signing keys and emailing them back to the owner encrypted and stuff.
[02:07] <popey> mandan, pppconfig
[02:07] <regeya> mandan: the gnome system tool is the way of the devil (as well as not working right)
[02:07] <nevyn> I don't trust gui tools for crypto
[02:07] <lanerebel> hey all
[02:07] <heliolith> nevyn: haha, that's cool, I wish I was more of a commandline kindof guy... how do you create "little scripts"?
[02:07] <dseomn> nevyn: would you trust gpg if it had a ncurses interface?
[02:08] <mandan> I went to run app and typed in pppconfig... but nothings appearing...
[02:08] <dseomn> heliolith: you spend hours combing through "info bash"
[02:08] <popey> mandan, "sudo pppconfig"
[02:08] <nevyn> dseomn: I know it's irrassional. but I don't trust ggpg or whatever it is.
[02:08] <mandan> lol thx Im stupid ha
[02:08] <lanerebel> can anyone help me with an installation problem?
[02:09] <popey> lanerebel, ask away
[02:09] <dseomn> nevyn: btw, I agree with you, gui apps are larger (in code size) and easier to find exploits for
[02:09] <lanerebel> I'm trying to install warty release and the installer is locking up on me once it gets to configuring xserver
[02:09] <mandan> wats the defaul pass for root? cause I cant login into root?
[02:09] <nevyn> heliolith: umm lemme find my signing script.
[02:09] <lanerebel> then when I restart, it locks up after about a minute every time, no matter where I am in the installer
[02:10] <farruinn> ubhuti rootsudo
[02:10] <ubhuti> By default the root password is disabled in Ubuntu. Instead use `sudo [command] ' (and your user password). If you haven't already, please read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:10] <nevyn> lanerebel: I had similar problems with bad hardware.
[02:10] <LinuxJones> lanerebel, sounds like you have a bad cd there
[02:10] <Br34ch> How can I tweak the time?
[02:10] <Br34ch> It's kinda . . . wrong
[02:10] <dseomn> nevyn: it's (theoretically) possible that somebody would make an encrypted file that when decrypted would cause a buf overflow and email your decrypted sec key
[02:10] <William_Cain> I must say I love the fact that you can just enter the Package Manager and install things you need.
[02:10] <William_Cain> Just had to say it...
[02:10] <lanerebel> I'm installing on a laptop...
[02:10] <popey> Br34ch, date
[02:11] <Br34ch> Mm?
[02:11] <Br34ch> Date? o.0
[02:11] <lanerebel> I disabled acpi, thinking that might be it
[02:11] <heliolith> nevyn: ok thanks for looking
[02:11] <nevyn> dseomn: that'd be a neat exploit
[02:11] <dseomn> Br34ch: man date
[02:11] <lanerebel> nevyn: what were you installing on?
[02:11] <Br34ch> I'm a nub, pleas ebe more precise on details
[02:11] <popey> type "date"
[02:11] <popey> or "man date" to read the documentation
[02:12] <LinuxJones> lanerebel, I can't remember when xserver setup takes place. Is your internet connection working during install ?
[02:12] <dseomn> Br34ch: open a terminal before typing those
[02:12] <popey> sorry, yeah
[02:12] <Br34ch> Is there a server that it checks by?
[02:12] <Br34ch> Or will I have to set it up alone manually?
[02:12] <William_Cain> I have one last question.
[02:12] <lanerebel> yeah, I believe so, although this time I said no to the apt-get update thinking I could do it myself once the installation completes (the first time I tried I said yes)
[02:12] <farruinn> Br34ch: you've tried right-clicking the time applet to change the time?
[02:12] <popey> Br34ch, it can do.. I think ubuntu does that by default at startup
[02:13] <William_Cain> I have a SATA harddisk I'd like to use, but it's not detected.
[02:13] <dseomn> Br34ch: you can use ntpdate e.g "ntpdate -u pool.ntp.org"
[02:13] <popey> William_Cain, unlucky :D
[02:13] <tritium> Br34ch, you can also use "/etc/init.d/ntdpate start"
[02:13] <William_Cain> Yes :(
[02:13] <nevyn> heliolith: http://pastebin.ca/4653
[02:13] <Br34ch> I had it set at Central at the installation.. it isn't . . . right. Anyways, I'll try that.. thanks
[02:13] <William_Cain> Doesn't Ubuntu support SATA harddisks?
[02:14] <lanerebel> also, by the time I get to X configuration I'm not using the CD anymore...
[02:14] <dseomn> Br34ch: tun "tzsetup" to change your timezone
[02:14] <nevyn> dseomn: I do use the mutt integration and storage of passphase tho.
[02:14] <dseomn> William_Cain: is it on a raid controller?
[02:14] <nevyn> heliolith: there's my signing script.
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> William_Cain: simple answer is yes
[02:15] <LinuxJones> lanerebel, You could try doing a custom install which will do a basic install. Then download the desktop environment (Gnome and Xserver) from the Ubuntu repositories.
[02:15] <aToaster> I know some of you guys have to have ATI cards, lol =).  Can anyone tell me how the new drivers are with Cedega?
[02:15] <lanerebel> LinuxJones: how do I start that?
[02:15] <William_Cain> Yes, it is.
[02:16] <William_Cain> I have this integrated controller on my Asus A7V8X motherboard.
[02:16] <William_Cain> It works like a charm in Windows XP, but not in Ubuntu.
[02:16] <dseomn> William_Cain: that's not good, many semi-hardware raid cards aren't supported
[02:16] <LinuxJones> lanerebel, when you begin installation you type custom @ the prompt
[02:16] <lanerebel> starting, thanks... hopefully this will help
[02:17] <Cindux> who helped me with the background command
[02:17] <Cindux> ?
[02:17] <LinuxJones> lanerebel, after the base system is installed apt-get update && apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:17] <heliolith> nevyn: you can decline to answer this if i'm too far behind you on the learning curve, but um, how do I make a script work?  Save it as a txt file then call it up in terminal window or something?  Where would I store the key if I used this?  thanks for sharing the script btw, I'll save it for when I can use it
[02:17] <William_Cain> Uhm, ok, but how could I add support for it? I've read about kernel patches, but I don't know how to enter the source files of my system and recompile...
[02:18] <Cindux> "sudo mv /home/desktop/Image.jpg /usr/share/backgrounds"
[02:18] <Cindux> correct ?
[02:18] <dseomn> Cindux: that will move the image
[02:18] <Cindux> k just checkin
[02:18] <lanerebel> will do, thanks linuxjones
[02:18] <nevyn> heliolith: it's probably not terribly useful to you..
[02:18] <Cindux> and cp = copy
[02:18] <LinuxJones> lanerebel, but it sounds like you have a hardware problem in your machine if it is locking up after 5 mins :(
[02:18] <nevyn> you save it as a txt file and then make it executable.
[02:18] <dseomn> Cindux: yeah
[02:18] <Cindux> :P
[02:18] <Cindux> excellento
[02:18] <Cindux> k thanks gonna go move image
[02:19] <heliolith> nevyn: by changing the extension to what?
[02:19] <dseomn> heliolith: the extension doesn't matter
[02:19] <nevyn> but. it assumes some stuff about my setup. in particular that you're using the mail client "mutt" which you're almost certainly not.
[02:19] <lanerebel> linuxjones, the livecd works fine, and it runs for the most part... if this doesn't work, I'll try playing around with some of the startup parameters, maybe if I disable pci and usb detection that'll help...:-/
[02:19] <nevyn> heliolith: by changing permissions. not extensions
[02:19] <heliolith> ahh lmao i'm clueless... is mutt like pine?  I understand chmod at least
[02:20] <dseomn> heliolith: not really, mutt is better
[02:20] <William_Cain> A funny question: Can I access my files from Windows XP in any way?
[02:20] <LinuxJones> lanerebel, ok GL
[02:20] <nevyn> heliolith: mutt is a text based mail reader but it's far more featurefull than pine
[02:20] <dseomn> William_Cain: there are projects for ext2 support in windows, but they aren't near perfect yet
[02:20] <tritium> William_Cain, read-only ntfs is fairly safe.
[02:20] <LinuxJones> William_Cain, yeah
[02:20] <William_Cain> I mean the other way.
[02:20] <aToaster> Can I install RPM's to Ubuntu?
[02:20] <tritium> William_Cain, my bad
[02:21] <lanerebel> linuxjones: thanks, we'll see what happens, I might be asking again soon;)
[02:21] <dseomn> aToaster: if necessary, you can use alien
[02:21] <William_Cain> If I'm in Windows XP and want to listen to my newly downloaded songs.
[02:21] <nevyn> aToaster: you CAN.. but it's a really bad idea except for certain non-free software.
[02:21] <LinuxJones> William_Cain, >> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[02:21] <LinuxJones> lanerebel, sure :D
[02:21] <aToaster> I'm trying to install the new ATI drivers, but it seems it only comes in a RPM
[02:21] <heliolith> nevyn: so you use mutt with a smtp/pop mail server?
[02:22] <tritium> aToaster, fglrx is available.  Don't use the RPM
[02:22] <nevyn> heliolith: no I read mail on my mail server but you can use it with a pop server if you want.
[02:22] <__aprendiz__> hi. I'm reinstalling the system
[02:22] <nevyn> heliolith: I'd rather use something like fetchmail and a local mta tho
[02:22] <aToaster> tritium, The repository shows the older version of it
[02:22] <__aprendiz__> need to know how to set up firefox 1.0.
[02:22] <heliolith> nevyn: if you'd rather use fetchmail why do you use mutt?
[02:22] <dseomn> __aprendiz__: it doesn't really need to be "set up" unless you're the maint
[02:23] <tritium> aToaster, oh
[02:23] <dseomn> heliolith: fetchmail and mutt can work together
[02:23] <nevyn> heliolith: fetchmail as you might not be able to tell from the obtuse name.. fetches mail. it doesn't let you view it or read it or anything else..
[02:23] <__aprendiz__> ubuntu does not work perfectly out of the box in my system
[02:23] <nevyn> it just... fetches mail.
[02:24] <aToaster> Want to try to get the new ATI drivers working to try out Cedega, have been holding back because I heard the old ones didn't work with something (either the 2.6 kernel or something) but the new drivers only seem to be in RPM form
[02:24] <__aprendiz__> for example 60 refresh rate is a very bad thing I actually need to set up.
[02:24] <dseomn> aToaster: install it with alien (like I said before)
[02:24] <nevyn> heliolith: my mail is actually delivered locally on the system.
[02:24] <dseomn> __aprendiz__: that has nothing to do with firefox
[02:24] <aToaster> dseomn, alright, will try
[02:25] <heliolith> nevyn & dseomn: reading mutt.org and catb.org/~esb/fetchmail to understand more!
[02:25] <tritium> aToaster, good luck.  using alien is rarely the recommended approach
[02:25] <__aprendiz__> I need to install firefox, turn it to my native language, install openoffice in my language, set up X to work correctly, install media players that work correctly, and a lot of other little things. I call that a set up; DO you have any problem with that?
[02:26] <LinuxJones> heh
[02:26] <dseomn> __aprendiz__: no, you just asked how to set up ff though, for that you need to install mozilla-firefox-locale-<language-code>
[02:27] <Kakalto> what's a good irc client, except irssi, xchat, the GAIM one and chatzilla?
[02:27] <Cindux> you just named most of them
[02:27] <dseomn> Kakalto: telnet?
[02:27] <__aprendiz__> yes, but not here. For some reason my language pack is not (is not showed here), in the repositories.
[02:27] <tritium> regeya, what's' your problem?
[02:27] <LinuxJones> Kakalto, some people like bitchx
[02:28] <Kakalto> bitchx....
[02:28] <Kakalto> *googles*
[02:28] <dseomn> __aprendiz__: what language?
[02:28] <nevyn> heliolith: mail is one of the most complicated things about system administration in my experience
[02:28] <__aprendiz__> so it's a quest to get firefox to run here every time (I did it twice)
[02:28] <__aprendiz__> brazilian portuguese.
[02:28] <__aprendiz__> should be -br
[02:28] <Cindux> if you can't find one you like maybe a java based client would be better?
[02:28] <Cindux> they usually look better anyways
[02:28] <nevyn> it's deceptivly simple there's just these whole piles of gotcha's
[02:28] <__aprendiz__> last time I got the package from debian repositories, downloaded it and installed it with dpkg
[02:28] <regeya> oh, c'mon, when you tell someone 'using alien is rarely the recommended approach', you need to back it up with what you consider to be THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
[02:28] <tritium> regeya, excuse me for stepping away for 30 seconds
[02:28] <regeya> if you don't, you're just being an ass.
[02:29] <tritium> regeya, No, using alien to install rmps is, in fact, not recommended
[02:29] <__aprendiz__> and before that I needed to get firefox1.0 from some repositorie I don't remember right now.
[02:29] <heliolith> nevyn: well, i'm bookmarking mutt & fetchmail for a bit  futher along my linux education.
[02:29] <tritium> regeya, and I already suggested he use the .debs
[02:29] <heliolith> _aprendiz_ I just went to mozilla.org and downloaded firefox 1.0 to a directory in my /home/ folder
[02:29] <Cindux> http://www.ircreviews.org/clients/cgi--irc.html
[02:29] <dseomn> heliolith: neither of those have much of anything to do with linux
[02:30] <regeya> okeydoke.../me scrolls back.
[02:30] <heliolith> dseomn: nor with unix?
[02:30] <regeya> I see the problem, or the supposed problem.
[02:30] <regeya> eh.
[02:30] <dseomn> heliolith: only with posix, pthreads, and *nix fhs
[02:30] <regeya> sorry tritium
[02:30] <heliolith> dseomn: ok, lol that just went completely over my head
[02:30] <Cindux> Anyone know if a VIA C3 processor will work with Ubuntu ?
[02:30] <dseomn> heliolith: I'll try to explain
[02:31] <tritium> regeya, it's okay.  peace
[02:31] <regeya> Linux leto 2.6.8.1-4-386 #1 Fri Jan 14 11:19:34 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:31] <regeya> whoops
[02:31] <regeya> thta didn't list processor type!
[02:31] <heliolith> dseomn: This is my first week on ubuntu, after being a fairly good, but never compsci educated windows user. by way of background
[02:32] <__aprendiz__> I want to be usable for all users
[02:32] <dseomn> heliolith: posix: they need certain C functions to compile/run; pthreads: they need certain multi-threading capabilities; *nix fhs: they won't work with C:\ or :My Disk:
[02:32] <__aprendiz__> I talk to you latter.
[02:32] <__aprendiz__> nered to do something. Have dinner.
[02:32] <regeya> never trust a Linux distribution that can't run on *all* i686-type systems, Cindux ;-)  It will work fine.
[02:32] <Cindux> hm thanky you :P
[02:32] <Cindux> im excited bout it
[02:32] <Cindux> cheap cheap
[02:32] <Cindux> http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=11433&vpn=IQ3601A%20&manufacture=SOLTEK
[02:33] <Cindux> my friends brother bought the same one and its surprisingly fast
[02:33] <dseomn> Cindux: I started using GNU/Linux b/c of the price, I still use it b/c I love it
[02:33] <dseomn> regeya: what about yellow dog?
[02:33] <regeya> Cindux: I've noticed the same thing. :-D  If you're not needing to do massive number-crunching, a VIA C3 is still more computer than you need. ;-)
[02:34] <regeya> dseomn, o_O
[02:34] <Cindux> lol
[02:34] <Cindux> I'm only going to do simple web design / surf the net
[02:34] <Cindux> and of course occasional IRC
[02:34] <Cindux> anyway thanks
[02:34] <dseomn> regeya: it only runs on ppc (I think o_O means confused)
[02:34] <regeya> dseomn, never had the pleasure of running linux on ppc *shrug*
[02:35] <regeya> C3 != G3
[02:35] <dseomn> regeya: I know, it's just that you said not to trust a distro that doesn't run on all i686, and I trust yello dog
[02:35] <regeya> heh
[02:35] <nevyn> C3 is via's 686 chip
[02:35] <|rufius|> anyone had problems using enigmail with thunderbird on Warty? It keeps telling me that the enigmail service isn't started. Googling hasn't helped much.
[02:35] <nevyn> fanless.. nice.
[02:35] <nevyn> small.
[02:36] <Cindux> :O
[02:36] <regeya> dseomn, I think it's your turn to be confused...tangled in the vagaries of english...sorry
[02:36] <Cindux> no fan ?
[02:36] <nevyn> Cindux: 500mhz no fan.
[02:36] <Cindux> its 1.0ghz ?
[02:36] <nevyn> 12volt brick powersupply
[02:36] <regeya> dseomn, I'm referring to some x86 distributions that wouldn't run on C3s because of CMOV
[02:36] <nevyn> Cindux: I think the 1gig still needs a fan
[02:36] <Cindux> damnt
[02:36] <Cindux> im onfused s hell
[02:36] <Cindux> are you talking about the one i sent you ?
[02:36] <Cindux> the link *
[02:37] <Cindux> or your own /
[02:37] <aToaster> how do I get dpkg to overwrite older files?  I'm trying "sudo dpkg -i fgrlx*.deb" and stops because it can't override a file
[02:38] <dseomn> aToaster: same or different package name?
[02:38] <Pluk> aToaster, with sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite *.deb
[02:38] <Pluk> also in man dpkg
[02:39] <dseomn> Pluk: that could cause a lot of problems, aToaster should be careful with that
[02:39] <|QuaD-_>  /join #c
[02:39] <|QuaD-_> blah
[02:39] <mandan_> hi I just set up pppconfig... how do I use it to connect to the internet?
[02:39] <Pluk> dseomn, sure just not with the fglrx package
[02:39] <mandan_> and I do hope I set it up correctly cause I have a winmodem and if it doesnt work Ill be forced to use Windows :(
[02:39] <aToaster> Has anyone installed the new ATI drivers?  I know I've asked this a bunch already, not trying to be annoying =/
[02:40] <tritium> aToaster, the .deb you're trying to install is new?  or are you reinstalling the same version you have?
[02:40] <Pluk> also with some common sense you should feel that a force thingy might be something to be carefull with :)
[02:40] <Pluk> but with fglrx you can do it with no harm
[02:40] <mandan_> I just set up pppconfig... how do I use it to connect to the internet? plz help
[02:41] <tritium> aToaster, you could use "apt-get install --reinstall <package.deb." if you're just trying to reinstall
[02:41] <aToaster> tritium, trying to install the new ATI drivers, which came as a RPM, so I used alien, now it's a deb package
[02:41] <tritium> aToaster, okay
[02:42] <aToaster> Pluk, can you tell me how you installed it?
[02:42] <Pluk> installed the deb with --force-overwrite
[02:42] <Pluk> ah wait
[02:42] <Pluk> that was the old way
[02:42] <Pluk> lol
[02:43] <lifeless> hmm, latest kernel + acpi has broken my fn-sleep button :p
[02:43] <edgarin> Hello What is the program to explorer the network with samba?
[02:43] <Pluk> i just onstalled the fglrx-driver package from ubuntu itself
[02:43] <aToaster> ahhh, wait! My mistake!  The new drivers are in the repository, its labeled as fglrx-4-3-0
[02:43] <lifeless> off to lunch, but if thats a known thing, will be reading scroll back
[02:43] <tritium> aToaster, I thought so ;)
[02:43] <aToaster> Pluk, I believe the fglrx-driver is the older driver
[02:43] <Pluk> had to do it the old way when ati didnt support 2.6.10 yet
[02:43] <aToaster> tritium, thanks for your help though
[02:44] <tritium> sure
[02:44] <Pluk> i use xorg-driver-fglrx cuz im running X.org
[02:44] <Pluk> dumped it already though cus it doesnt support sleep mode
[02:45] <HaRDaWaY> yes, i use xorg-driver-fglrx and run nice with x.org
[02:45] <HaRDaWaY> (i am in hoary)
[02:45] <HaRDaWaY> with kernel 2.6.10-2
[02:45] <Pluk> use sleep a lot because im on a laptop
[02:46] <Pluk> hopefully they will implement proper acpi someday in the fglrx driver
[02:46] <daniels> ha ha ha ha
[02:46] <Pluk> :)
[02:46] <Pluk> prolly not
[02:46] <Pluk> well maybe when im dead
[02:46] <Pluk> --;
[02:49] <Pluk> the X.org ati driver also supports DynamicClocks, gputhrottling... gives me another 20-30 minutes on my battery
[02:49] <Pluk> fglrx doesnt do that too
[02:50] <Pluk> well enough ranting :)
[02:51] <Pluk> its good they supper xorg now:)
[02:51] <Pluk> support*
[02:53] <Pluk> hmm nice
[02:54] <mindphasr> any equalizer for any mp3 players other than xmms and amarok?
[02:54] <Pluk> just heard some gossip that there are fglrx acpi-devel drivers floating around which might support hardware opengl and S3
[02:54] <Pluk> not public yet though
[02:55] <geesus-work> I love it when I join an IRC chan for the first time and the topic looks like it can answer my questions :)
[02:56] <tritium> geesus-work, :)
[02:56] <billytwowilly> is there any place to view proposed package additions to ubuntu? ie. How would I find out if anyone is working on packaging gnomebaker and network manager
[02:57] <robertj> whcih question did it answer ;)
[02:57] <DAC1138> has anyone in here built a custom kernel with ubuntu?
[02:57] <tritium> billytwowilly, network manager is already packaged by someone
[02:57] <Pluk> DAC1138, i did
[02:57] <billytwowilly> tritium, It's not in hoary.. atleast I didn't see it when I searched it;)
[02:57] <DAC1138> Pluk, how did you do it? so far both of the ones ive built havent booted
[02:57] <robertj> DAC: why you rebuildin'
[02:57] <Pluk> only with the kernel-sources from www.kernel.org though
[02:57] <tritium> billytwowilly, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetworkManager
[02:58] <DAC1138> Pluk, i used a good config setting, i built it right, its something inside ubuntu not letting it boot
[02:58] <crypticreign> i upgraded to hoary, now X wont start (Nvidia)
[02:58] <tritium> billytwowilly, right, not in hoary, but in Thom's personal repository
[02:58] <Pluk> DAC1138, you updated grub?
[02:58] <DAC1138> robertj, because i want some custom settings
[02:58] <robertj> DAC: for what?
[02:58] <DAC1138> Pluk, i updated the menu, yeah. ive built kernels before
[02:58] <DAC1138> robertj, i have my reasons, its a long story
[02:59] <billytwowilly> tritium, nifty, thanks
[02:59] <Pluk> whats the error msg?
[02:59] <tritium> billytwowilly, sure ;)
[02:59] <billytwowilly> tritium, any idea when it will be in the actual distro though?
[02:59] <robertj> DAC: did you start with the default kernel source package nad use dpkg-buildpackage
[02:59] <tritium> billytwowilly, that I don't know.
[02:59] <robertj> err default ubuntu srcs rather
[02:59] <Pluk> just a kernel-panic?
[02:59] <tritium> crypticreign, are you running x.org for the first time?
[03:00] <ajmitch> DAC1138: initrd missing?
[03:00] <DAC1138> i downloaded the default kernel source for ubuntu, thats it, i didnt do the dpkg-buildpackage thing
[03:00] <jesuel> man dsl is getting cheap
[03:00] <jesuel> 22 bucks a month :)
[03:00] <DAC1138> Pluk, yeah, it was a kernel panic
[03:00] <DAC1138> Pluk, it was able to mount the root fs because i had reiserfs built-in
[03:00] <DAC1138> ajmitch, no, not a missing initrd
[03:01] <robertj> dac: ok, try it with dpkg-buildpackage
[03:01] <DAC1138> what will that do?
[03:01] <tritium> billytwowilly, considering that Thom is a canonical employee, chances may be good
[03:01] <Pluk> i always built the oldfashioned way
[03:01] <crypticreign> tritium: yes
[03:01] <DAC1138> what will dpkg-buildpackage do?
[03:01] <robertj> DAC: it builds the kernel and packages it as a .deb that can be installed with dpkg -i
[03:02] <billytwowilly> tritium, they should be good, it looks like an awesome hunk of software;)
[03:02] <robertj> it will also work off of Ubuntu's source mods
[03:02] <tritium> crypticreign, is it using "nvidia" or "nv" driver right now?
[03:02] <crypticreign> tritium: nvidia
[03:02] <DAC1138> hmmm. why would i want to do that?
[03:02] <robertj> they are applied to the vanilla sources during the build
[03:02] <nevyn> hrm
[03:02] <DAC1138> i already have a kernel built and everything, i just need to get it to boot, but something inside ubuntu wont let it
[03:02] <robertj> you can supply your patches, your config and work with ubuntus config and build packages and that way if you go to install something that will break because of your custom kernel it will tell you
[03:03] <robertj> did you use --initrd?
[03:03] <DAC1138> whats "--initrd" ?
[03:03] <robertj> magic
[03:03] <DAC1138> whenever i build a custom kernel before, i never made a new initrd, and they all worked perfectly
[03:04] <robertj> it's just the first thing I would try
[03:04] <Pluk> if you want to use initrd youre supposed to make a new initrd everytime you make a new kernel
[03:04] <robertj> dpkg-buildpackage does it automagically
[03:04] <tritium> crypticreign, do your nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common versions match?
[03:04] <DAC1138> i dont even know how to make an initrd, and the manpages dont tell me anything useful
[03:04] <robertj> it's much better to use dpkg-buildpackage though
[03:05] <crypticreign> tritium: what dpkg parameter is that to check?
[03:05] <robertj> it will make your life much easier during upgrades
[03:05] <tritium> crypticreign, you can use "dpkg -l | grep nvidia"
[03:05] <tritium> robertj, what about kernel-package?
[03:05] <robertj> you will go to install a new program which will need an updated hal and it will say "I need a new kernel" and instead of download the latest kernel and isntalling it it will tell you
[03:05] <robertj> tritium: that's invoked by the buildpackage AFAIK
[03:06] <tritium> robertj, oh, I thought it was the other way around
[03:06] <tritium> but I defer to you on that
[03:06] <crypticreign> tritium: nvidia-glx 1.0.6629-0ubuntu, nvidia-kernel-common 1.0.6629+1
[03:07] <tritium> crypticreign, okay.  were you using nvidia on Warty?
[03:07] <crypticreign> yes
[03:07] <tritium> did you run nvidia-glx-config?
[03:07] <robertj> well the autobuilders build the kernel with dpkg-buildpackage so, it's got to work
[03:08] <crypticreign> tritium: nviaida-glx-config enable.. then reboot?
[03:08] <tritium> robertj, good point
[03:08] <DAC1138> thats BS, i shouldnt need that dpkg shit to build a custom kernel....
[03:08] <Buuyo^> DAC1138 why not?
[03:08] <DAC1138> ive built kernels on tons of distros, and this is the only one ive had a problem with
[03:08] <robertj> DAC: use --initrd
[03:08] <Pluk> DAC1138, you dont need it but i might be handy
[03:08] <Buuyo^> You want EVERYTHING to be handled the package system, don't you?
[03:08] <Buuyo^> It's dumb otherwise.
[03:08] <socomm> DAC1138: You don't need dpkg to build a custom kernel.
[03:08] <DAC1138> robertj maybe if i could figure out how to use --initrd, i would
[03:08] <tritium> crypticreign, that might work.  Only other thing I can think of is to make sure you have restricted-modules that match your kernel
[03:08] <robertj> make-kpkg --initrd I believe
[03:08] <crypticreign> tritium: it doesnt work :/
[03:08] <tritium> that was fast.
[03:09] <tritium> see my last message.
[03:09] <Buuyo^> mmm massage
[03:09] <robertj> but realize BYO kernel is passe
[03:09] <Pluk> unless you want to test kernels
[03:09] <Buuyo^> passe is so complex for us 14 year olds.
[03:09] <Buuyo^> Small words please. :)
[03:09] <Pluk> bugtest
[03:09] <robertj> Pluk: they don't package those?
[03:09] <socomm> Yes cus prebuilt kernels are 1337.
[03:10] <socomm> :^/
[03:10] <DAC1138> robertj "make-kpkg --initrd" ?
[03:10] <robertj> I think, I haven't built one in a while
[03:10] <DAC1138> robertj or "make-dpkg --initrd" ?
[03:10] <tritium> make-kpkg
[03:10] <DAC1138> "make-kpkg: command not found"
[03:11] <tritium> crypticreign, do your restricted-modules match your kernel?
[03:11] <lanerebel> linuxjones: installation is complete, but it only works in recovery mode and I have to manually start x windows...
[03:11] <socomm> DAC1138: Just build your kernel like you usually would and cp bzImage and System.map to /boot edit your /boot/menu.lst to include an entry for your new kernel.
[03:11] <robertj> apt-get intall kernel-package
[03:11] <crypticreign> tritium: what is restricted-modules?
[03:11] <lanerebel> linuxjones: in regular mode it still locks up
[03:11] <DAC1138> socomm, did that, and it wont boot. has a kernel panic
[03:11] <tritium> socomm, that's not the recommended way
[03:11] <socomm> tritium: Works for me.
[03:11] <tritium> crypticreign, it contains the nvidia kernel module
[03:12] <Pluk> and if you dont want to use initrd make sure your fs and your HD controller/chipset is statically
[03:12] <crypticreign> tritium: is that a package?
[03:12] <tritium> socomm, works, but is not recommended.  Your kernel is not managed by the package management system
[03:12] <DAC1138> tritium, same here, always worked for me
[03:12] <socomm> DAC1138: What's the error you get, you may want to disable the kernel automounter.
[03:12] <tritium> DAC1138, sure, it works.  That's not the point.
[03:12] <DAC1138> socomm, cant remember, it was long and complex. said it cant load a bunch of stuff
[03:12] <robertj> Pluk: or better yet, start with the stock config and change only what you need
[03:12] <tritium> crypticreign, yes
[03:13] <Pluk> indeed robertj actually thats what i wanted to say :)
[03:13] <tritium> crypticreign, "dpkg -l | grep linux" and look for linux-restricted-modules
[03:13] <socomm> tritium: Yeah ...... but it's not like I really expected it to be supported.
[03:13] <crypticreign> tritium: yes i do
[03:14] <socomm> DAC1138: I get alot of "FATAL:" warnings but nothing serious. Try disabling stuff in your /etc/init.d
[03:14] <tritium> crypticreign, "lsmod | grep nvidia"
[03:14] <socomm> DAC1138: Of course only do this if you got an idea of what you're doing.
[03:14] <DAC1138> socomm, this isnt a FATAL error, this is a kernel panic. not even 5 seconds into the boot process and it panics
[03:14] <tritium> crypticreign, is "nvidia" listed in /etc/modules?
[03:14] <crypticreign> tritium: yes, the nvidia module is loaded
[03:15] <crypticreign> tritium: yes it is listed
[03:15] <tritium> crypticreign, it should be working.  Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:15] <socomm> DAC1138: I've got that before. Can't really help you unless you wrote down the error though.
[03:15] <DAC1138> ill reboot and get it
[03:16] <socomm> DAC1138: Okay.
[03:16] <lanerebel> hey, can anyone tell me what the difference is between regular and recovery modes?
[03:17] <ThreeShot> Can I say something to the developers of Ubuntu or are they here ATM?
[03:17] <socomm> recovery mode is single user mode, regular mode is multiple user mode.
[03:17] <jdz_> hi!  I have an odd display resolution issue.  When GDM comes up, it is 800x600, as it should be.  However, when I log in, it lowers itself to 640x480.  I can change it back up to 800x600 through gnome-display-properties.  Any ideas why it lowers itself to 640x480 apon logging in?  I'm running Hoary.
[03:17] <tritium> lanerebel, recovery mode is single-user mode, when root needs to fix stuff
[03:17] <lanerebel> so, would it be bad to always use recovery mode?  my installation doesn't work in regular...
[03:18] <tritium> you won't get X in single-user mode
[03:18] <tritium> and it's not multi-user
[03:18] <lanerebel> it actually works, I just have to reset the path variable
[03:18] <socomm> lanerebel: Security wise it's not adviceable.
[03:18] <smogger911> can someone tell me how to install gnome mud
[03:18] <tritium> lanerebel, what happens when you boot into "normal" mode?
[03:18] <lanerebel> hmm...
[03:18] <ThreeShot> well I'll say what I wanted to say and hope the devs hear me.  Thank You for the best linux distro I've ever tried...and I've tried about 50 of them.
[03:18] <socomm> lanerebel: That be like running Win98.
[03:19] <smogger911> xan someone help me install gnome mud
[03:19] <crypticreign> tritium: i disabled dri and now it works
[03:19] <socomm> ThreeShot: Try the ubuntu-dev mailing list.
[03:19] <ThreeShot> k, thanks.  will do.
[03:19] <tritium> crypticreign, did you find the error in the logs?
[03:19] <lanerebel> tritium: it locks up as soon as it starts gdm, although it's not just due to gdm, because when I did a custom install and booted into regular mode, it locked up after attempting to configure x windows
[03:20] <tritium> lanerebel, what video card?
[03:20] <socomm> lanerebel: X works in single user mode?
[03:20] <Br34ch> Uhm, my . . . "sound" isn't working . . . any hints on what I should begin to do?
[03:20] <socomm> Br34ch: Scream and shout.
[03:20] <crypticreign> tritium: yes.. __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extenstions/libdri.a is unresolved
[03:20] <Br34ch> I'm already doing that. What now?
[03:21] <tritium> crypticreign, I'm glad you found it :)
[03:21] <DAC1138> got the error
[03:21] <crypticreign> tritium: me too, thank you
[03:21] <tritium> sure thing
[03:21] <tux> anyone use the 'terminal server client' under Applications>Internet ?
[03:21] <socomm> DAC1138: Just paste it from your piece of paper to the screen. :^)
[03:21] <tritium> tux, yeah, I do
[03:21] <lanerebel> tritium: Intel i830... isn't that one that 2.6 has problems with?
[03:21] <tux> how does one enable the ICA protocol thats not applicable ?
[03:21] <tritium> lanerebel, I'm not sure about that.
[03:21] <DAC1138> first, it lists a bunch of different modules, with the error "module xxxx does not exist in /proc/modules"
[03:21] <lanerebel> socomm: yeah, just sudo export PATH=${PATH}:/usr/bin/X11R6/bin
[03:22] <DAC1138> then "pivot_root: no such file or directory"
[03:22] <lanerebel> tritium: it's a thinkpad, IBM laptop...
[03:22] <DAC1138> then "/sbin/init: 429: cannot open /dev/console: no such file
[03:22] <lanerebel> socomm: actually, take out the sudo;)
[03:22] <smogger911> does anyone know anything about how to get gnome apps
[03:22] <DAC1138> "kernel panic: attempted to kill init!"
[03:22] <DAC1138> end error message
[03:22] <ThreeShot> lanerebel, no, I have a computer, an old 733MHz P3, with the i810 graphics, and it's the same code as the i830 if I'm not mistaken.  and I have no issues with it.
[03:22] <Pluk> DAC1138, sure you installed the kernel modules?
[03:22] <socomm> DAC1138: Did you enable TMPFS?
[03:23] <crypticreign> tritium: had to diable glx too
[03:23] <crypticreign> *disable
[03:23] <DAC1138> Pluk, 110% sure
[03:23] <tritium> tux, good question
[03:23] <smogger911> can someone tell me how to install gnome
[03:23] <tritium> crypticreign, yeah, you sure do
[03:23] <Pluk> 110% is good :)
[03:23] <socomm> DAC1138: "make modules && make modules_install"?
[03:23] <DAC1138> socomm, i used the default ubuntu kernel config as my starting "template" to configure my kernel, so im sure it is enabled
[03:23] <DAC1138> socomm, yeah, did that
[03:23] <smogger911> how do u get the list of website that it can update from
[03:23] <lanerebel> ThreeShot: I'm using an old HP Pavilion right now (PIII 1GHz) with i810 and I couldn't get X to run until I put in an even older VooDoo 3 card
[03:24] <tritium> tux, I don't know the answer to that
[03:24] <smogger911> through the terminal
[03:24] <neighborlee> I only have one kernel thats booting atm which is 2.6.10..all other ones complain about wrong versions of nvidia kernel module vs x module ( one says its 6111 yet other one is 6629..which is damm odd consdiering I'm positive 6629 is installed) ?????
[03:24] <socomm> neighborlee: You'll have to reinstall the nvidia drivers for new kernels.
[03:24] <tritium> smogger911, "apt-cache search program-name" to search for the program you want
[03:24] <tux> tritium, ok
[03:25] <ThreeShot> lanerebel, all I know is what i've done myself.  neither 2.4 series nor 2.6 series has trouble with an i810 chipset.  I know because when I used fedora I started with the 2.4 kernel then upgraded to 2.6 and neither had issues.
[03:25] <DAC1138> so im taking it the error message i provided doesnt give any clues as to why ubuntu screwed the thing up?
[03:25] <neighborlee> socomm, no im saying the'new' kernel ie: 2.6.10 boots fine..my old one refuses to as it finds two differtent versions of nvidia packages
[03:25] <socomm> DAC1138: If I had to guess I'd say somethings up with your /dev fs
[03:25] <tritium> neighborlee, just make sure you have linux-restricted-modules to match your kernel whenever you upgrade your kernel
[03:26] <Pluk> DAC1138, do you have your chipset statically?
[03:26] <lanerebel> ThreeShot: hmm... oh well... not important now;)... I just wish I could figure out how to get Ubuntu to work right on my laptop
[03:26] <DAC1138> Pluk, CPU chipset?
[03:26] <socomm> DAC1138: The kernel can't find /dev/console so something is screwy in the way your dev file system is mapped out.
[03:26] <Pluk> northbridge
[03:27] <Pluk> possibly it cant acces the HD cuz it doesnt know how to
[03:27] <tritium> neighborlee, you probably don't have restricted-modules installed for the older kernels.  did you just start using the nvidia drivers with 2.6.10?
[03:27] <DAC1138> could it be the system.map?
[03:27] <DAC1138> i didnt copy the system.map to /boot
[03:27] <socomm> DAC1138: Try that.
[03:27] <Pluk> that could be it also :)
[03:27] <neighborlee> tritium, nope
[03:27] <DAC1138> just cp system.map /boot?
[03:27] <socomm> DAC1138: Yah.
[03:27] <neighborlee> tritium, I used them with 2.6.8.1-2-386 as well
[03:27] <DAC1138> brb
[03:28] <tritium> neighborlee, you don't have to reinstall nvidia drivers all the time
[03:28] <neighborlee> tritium,accordoing to apt I have both 2.6.8.1-3-686 and its appropraite LRM installed..yet startx fails with that kernel ;(
[03:28] <Pluk> eeuh
[03:28] <socomm> neighborlee: I always install nvidia by hand the deb's are too screwy for my liking.
[03:29] <Pluk> shouldnt it be cp System/map /boot/System.map-2.6.xxx
[03:29] <socomm> s/nvidia/nvidia video drivers
[03:29] <tritium> the .debs always work perfectly for me
[03:29] <neighborlee> tritium, I have 6629 but i'm getting some odd cpu spikes that I suspect maybe caused by 2.6.10 kernel..so I wanted to go back to older one for a bit and see...but startx refuses due to nvidia issuwes
[03:29] <tritium> neighborlee, what did /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[03:29] <luislx> hello, does anyone knows why i can't power off my laptop? always reboot
[03:29] <neighborlee> socomm, i've tried that too but I had trouble earlier..I could try again I suppose shrug
[03:29] <socomm> neighborlee: Well if it didn't work once ....
[03:30] <neighborlee> socomm, yeah I know but ..at this point what else remains ;(
[03:30] <neighborlee> tritium, ill check
[03:30] <socomm> neighborlee: Okay.
[03:30] <tritium> neighborlee, check your logs.  Using the .debs should be painless
[03:30] <grepper> if I use grub from hoary on warty, should I be able to have a boot splash ?
[03:31] <tritium> grepper, yes
[03:31] <grepper> I tried following this guys suggestions and it didn't work
[03:31] <grepper> http://sleepybuddha.sl.funpic.de/ubuntu/
[03:31] <tritium> grepper, did you update-grub after you placed your image?
[03:31] <socomm> grepper: warty's grub can do splash.
[03:31] <grepper> hm
[03:31] <tritium> grepper, update-grub will tell you if it found the splash image
[03:31] <grepper> I just got a mesh behind which I could still see the messages
[03:31] <socomm> grepper: Check ubuntu's wiki, there's a walkthrough there.
[03:31] <grepper> yeah, read it
[03:32] <DAC1138> copying system.map didnt work
[03:32] <socomm> DAC1138: Success!
[03:32] <luislx> hello, does anyone knows why i can't power off my laptop? always reboot
[03:32] <socomm> DAC1138: Doh!
[03:32] <LinuxJones> night all
[03:32] <socomm> luislx: No.
[03:32] <Pluk> DAC1138, shouldnt it be cp System.map /boot/System.map-2.6.xxx
[03:32] <neighborlee> tritium, no errors exist in that log file
[03:32] <CLucas916> does anyone know why when i try to compile a program...when i run the configure script it says cpp:fails sanity check
[03:33] <scoon> anyone have any idea where i could find a dual amd barton core mobo ?
[03:33] <socomm> Pluk: `cp System.map arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot' works fine for me.
[03:33] <tritium> grepper, did you make sure that it's a 14-color XPM that is gzipped
[03:33] <neighborlee> tritium, anyway i'm still using warty ie: xfree86
[03:33] <socomm> CLucas916: Do you have c++ installed?
[03:33] <DAC1138> any other ideas before i reboot and try this one last thing?
[03:33] <tritium> neighborlee, so you checked the appropriate log file, I presume?
[03:33] <socomm> DAC1138: I'd double check if you got tmpfs installed.
[03:34] <CLucas916> socomm, what would the pakage be called in apt?
[03:34] <tritium> neighborlee, 2.6.10 isn't in Warty
[03:34] <DAC1138> where would i find that at?
[03:34] <socomm> DAC1138: That's just me though I'm super redundant.
[03:34] <DAC1138> the tmpfs?
[03:34] <jesuel> exit
[03:34] <luislx> can anyone help me? i'm having troubles with my laptop. when i want to power off, just reboots.
[03:34] <neighborlee> tritium, yes of course <MG>
[03:34] <socomm> DAC1138: Under File system support, it should be the psuedo file systems
[03:35] <socomm> CLucas916: Use synaptic if you got X gong otherwise try installing libstdc++
[03:35] <Pluk> brb lets see if 2.6.11-rc2 works
[03:35] <tritium> neighborlee, so how did you install restricted-modules for a kernel that's not in Warty?
[03:35] <neighborlee> tritium, yeah I wanted to try newest nvidia so I just used hoary momentarily ...is this causing problems meaning its not written for xfree86 ?
[03:35] <socomm> s/gong/going
[03:35] <jdub> neighborlee: don't mix repos!
[03:35] <tritium> neighborlee, hoary uses Xorg
[03:36] <neighborlee> yes i know
[03:36] <DAC1138> i dont see anything with tmpfs in psuedo
[03:36] <tritium> neighborlee, did you dist-upgrade?
[03:36] <DAC1138> turn off automounter support?
[03:36] <neighborlee> I was having problems with a game and had hoped to try new nvidia without going to extreme of upgrading entire system to hoary
[03:36] <neighborlee> tritium, no
[03:36] <socomm> DAC1138: I do, though dunno if that'll help your case.
[03:36] <tritium> neighborlee, I wish you had told me this earlier...
[03:36] <neighborlee> tritium, I jus changed sources and upgraded nvidia ;-)
[03:37] <neighborlee> tritium, alas I did not know 2.6.10 was only in hoary but....anyway
[03:37] <socomm> DAC1138: It's under Virtual Memory file system.
[03:37] <CLucas916> socomm, i installed it but it didnt help
[03:37] <CLucas916> same error
[03:38] <DAC1138> yeah, it was checked by default
[03:38] <socomm> DAC1138: File System -> Psuedo filesystems -> Virtual Memory File System -> tmpfs
[03:38] <hacim> whenever I play a movie on my thinkpad x40, the video is all washed out, like the contrast is too high or something.... same movie on a desktop system looks normal
[03:38] <tritium> neighborlee, as jdub says, don't mix repos
[03:38] <socomm> DAC1138: Oh all right.
[03:38] <tritium> neighborlee, I don't know what state your system is in.  It's hard to help you in that case.
[03:38] <socomm> CLucas916: Type "c++" in a console what's the output you get?
[03:38] <Cindux> sudo mv /home/desktop/bg1.jpg /usr/shared/backgrounds
[03:38] <Cindux> damnt
[03:38] <CLucas916> socomm, command not found
[03:39] <DAC1138> could it possibly the ubuntu kernel? should i try a vanilla kernel?
[03:39] <neighborlee> tritium, as I say all I did was upgrade nvidia from hoary to avoid having to get entire upgrade 'to' hoary...somone here suggested I do it and well I took advise thinking it would be okay....sigh live andlearn I suppoose
[03:39] <socomm> CLucas916: Yeah you don't have a C++ compiler installed.
[03:39] <DAC1138> i dont know, ill reboot and try this, brb
[03:39] <CLucas916> k
[03:39] <CLucas916> what do i install
[03:39] <socomm> DAC1138: Yes http://www.kernel.org
[03:39] <Cindux> does Ubuntu come with any programming tools ?
[03:39] <tritium> neighborlee, which package did you upgrade?
[03:39] <neighborlee> tritium, I blame no one I mean...stuff happens..I will try to reverse
[03:39] <Cindux> i need to dl a compiler to
[03:39] <tritium> Cindux, tons!
[03:39] <neighborlee> tritium, nvidia-glx
[03:39] <Cindux> ?
[03:39] <grepper> tritium: I just got the one off the site: http://sleepybuddha.sl.funpic.de/ubuntu/
[03:39] <Cindux> I went through the menus and saw nothing ?
[03:40] <socomm> CLucas916: apt-get install cpp
[03:40] <grepper> ubuntu_dance.xpm.gz
[03:40] <Cindux> except for the text editor that highlights C++ syntax
[03:40] <neighborlee> tritium, and it gave me 2.6.10 during that...plus it made my menu.lst really odd and the older kernel ( defauilt installed with ubuntu) 2.6.8 no longer will boot
[03:40] <tritium> grepper, okay.  What did update-grub report?
[03:40] <CLucas916> socomm, its installed
[03:40] <grepper> no splash image found
[03:40] <socomm> Cindux: No, no dev tools by default.
[03:40] <Cindux> oh
[03:40] <grepper>  /boot is a seperate partition, not sure I"m using the correct syntax
[03:40] <Cindux> Well what would I need besides a compiler?
[03:41] <socomm> CLucas916: Try the command g++.
[03:41] <tritium> grepper, where did you put it?
[03:41] <socomm> Cindux: The auto tools.
[03:41] <CLucas916> socomm, not found
[03:41] <jdub> Cindux: install build-essential
[03:41] <socomm> Cindux: You know autoconf, automake, aclocal, etc ....
[03:41] <grepper> tritium: /boot/images/
[03:41] <grepper> er
[03:41] <grepper> /boot/grub/images
[03:41] <socomm> CLucas916: Doesn't seem like you got the c++ compiler installed.
[03:42] <Cindux> ah
[03:42] <Cindux> ok thanks
[03:42] <DAC1138> nope :-(
[03:42] <DAC1138> wtf is up with ubuntu?
[03:42] <socomm> DAC1138: Use a vanilla kernel, http://www.kernel.org.
[03:42] <tritium> grepper, do you have something like "splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/images/splash.xpm.gz"?
[03:42] <tritium> in /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[03:42] <socomm> I don't even bother with the stock kernels.
[03:42] <grepper> if boot is a seperate partition (hda3) , should it be:    splashimage (hd0,2)/grub/images/ubuntu_dance.xpm.gz  ?
[03:42] <tritium> yes
[03:43] <grepper> didn't work :)
[03:43] <tritium> with an "="
[03:43] <socomm> CLucas916: Actuall cpp is the C Preprocessor.
[03:43] <grepper> ah
[03:43] <jdub> DAC1138: what do you need to build your own kernel for?
[03:43] <grepper> didn't say that on the site
[03:43] <smogger911> can someone help me install gnome mud
[03:43] <socomm> CLucas916: try the build-essentials.
[03:43] <tritium> smogger911, what is mud?
[03:43] <DAC1138> jdub, because i do, that should be reason enough
[03:43] <smogger911> it a program to play telenet games
[03:44] <Cindux> can anyone tell me what sudo actually means ?
[03:44] <DAC1138> jdub, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/18/2004/02/3/118311
[03:44] <tritium> smogger911, did you search for it like I showed you?
[03:44] <smogger911> what
[03:44] <tritium> smogger911, "apt-cache search mud | grep gnome"
[03:45] <smogger911> i had it but then i had to reinatall the whole system b/c i installed to many unneccesary things
[03:45] <jdub> DAC1138: there are a lot of stupid reasons for building kernels. :)
[03:45] <tritium> smogger911, that command will reveal that "gnome-mud" is available
[03:45] <socomm> DAC1138: My i81* didn't work with Ubuntu, I switched to FreeBSD and it worked like a charm.
[03:45] <socomm> DAC1138: Have you tried upgrading or downgrading your Bios?
[03:45] <socomm> s/Bios/BIOS
[03:45] <DAC1138> cant, its a laptop.
[03:45] <socomm> DAC1138: Dell?
[03:45] <jdub> daniels: ping
[03:46] <Cindux> so the other day im walking down  the street
[03:46] <Cindux> and one guy says, what does "sudo" mwan
[03:46] <Cindux> mean*
[03:46] <tritium> smogger911, did you get my messages?
[03:46] <DAC1138> gateway
[03:46] <DAC1138> its *ALL* in that link
[03:46] <socomm> Cindux: Run `man sudo' in a terminal.
[03:46] <smogger911> i doesnt do anything
[03:46] <DAC1138> all, my research links, my software links, driver links, its a blog basically
[03:46] <Cindux> bah im on my windows machine right now
[03:46] <tritium> smogger911, yes it does
[03:46] <jdub> no probs with my i855 display here
[03:46] <Cindux> converting a bunch of mp3s to ogg
[03:46] <Cindux> i'll do it later
[03:46] <Cindux> thanks
[03:47] <smogger911> max@ubuntu:~ $ apt-cache search mud | grep gnome
[03:47] <socomm> DAC1138: All right, I had a Dell with that problem I had to downgrade the BIOS and switch to a FreeBSD.
[03:47] <smogger911> nothing happened
[03:47] <grepper> ok, I gunzipped it to take a look:  $ identify ubuntu_dance.xpm \   ubuntu_dance.xpm XPM 640x480 PseudoClass 14c 302kb 1.030u 0:03
[03:47] <tritium> smogger911, then you don't have universe enabled
[03:47] <socomm> DAC1138: Not saying you should do that just a thought.
[03:47] <smogger911> how do u do that
[03:47] <tritium> smogger911, or you didn't hit return ;)
[03:47] <jdub> 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[03:47] <smogger911> i hit return
[03:47] <smogger911> how do enable universe
[03:47] <jdub> 0000:00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[03:47] <jdub> works with warty and hoary, no special configuration required
[03:47] <DAC1138> i would try FreeBSD< but form my experience with BSD users, their' @$$ holes (sorry for the lingo)
[03:47] <tritium> smogger911, do you prefer to use Synaptic Package Manager (gui) to install packages?
[03:48] <smogger911> yes
[03:48] <jdub> DAC1138: that's unnecessary here.
[03:48] <smogger911> gui better
[03:48] <tritium> smogger911, open it up
[03:48] <smogger911> how
[03:48] <socomm> DAC1138: Try compiling a vanilla kernel.
[03:48] <DAC1138> socomm, trying it now, im configuring it
[03:48] <jdub> DAC1138: why do you think you need to build a kernel to get your display working?
[03:48] <socomm> DAC1138: Okay, good luck.
[03:48] <tritium> smogger911, it's in your menu.  I can't remember where it is in Warty.
[03:48] <tritium> It's in a different menu location in Hoary.
[03:48] <DAC1138> laptops dont have PCI, do they?
[03:49] <DAC1138> PCI are those big cards for pcs
[03:49] <smogger911> i found it
[03:49] <tritium> smogger911, okay.
[03:49] <jdub> DAC1138: modern pcs are all based around pci, be they desktops or laptops.
[03:49] <DAC1138> jdub, its all in the link i posted
[03:49] <jdub> DAC1138: i've read the link. i have the same hardware (video, not laptop).
[03:49] <DAC1138> jdub, the xserver has a special driver which needs the kernel source for the current running kernel. the one i downloaded didnt work...so im building a new kernel
[03:49] <tritium> smogger911, go to "Settings->Repositories"
[03:49] <jdub> there's nothing there that indicates to me that you need to build a kernel
[03:50] <smogger911> k
[03:50] <Pluk> DAC1138, you could try to upgrade to hoary and use X.org instead of XF86
[03:50] <jdub> warty supports this hardware
[03:50] <Pluk> ive read that X.org might support i830 better
[03:50] <smogger911> then click all of them
[03:50] <socomm> DAC1138: Xorg 6.8.1 and above support i81* chips.
[03:50] <daniels> jdub: pong
[03:51] <tritium> smogger911, you'll need to look for the line where universe is, and make sure it's enabled
[03:51] <DAC1138> X.org doesnt work either, its been suggested.
[03:51] <jdub> daniels: i855 problem DAC1138 is having - looks like the same hardware as me
[03:51] <smogger911> k
[03:51] <tritium> DAC1138, jdub and daniels are _the_ men to be listening to right now
[03:51] <sm> what's the quickest and surest way to check if opengl acceleration is enabled ?
[03:51] <DAC1138> crashmeister on that forum had the same hardware too, his worked fine....its a gateway bios bug
[03:51] <Pluk> sm  glxinfo
[03:51] <jdub> sm: glxinfo | grep renderer
[03:52] <Pluk> if it states in the top direct redering: yes then your ok
[03:52] <sm> perfect, thanks
[03:52] <sm> darn, Mesa GLX Indirect
[03:52] <daniels> DAC1138: when did you try X.Org?
[03:52] <daniels> DAC1138: the packages that have been on the Hoary live CDs for the last couple of days might be a lot more useful in terms of support
[03:52] <DAC1138> i think it was with vector 5.0, i think that was using x.org
[03:52] <sm> I had it working on this i845 before
[03:53] <DAC1138> also, i think clusterknoppix was using x.org, and i tested knoppix here
[03:53] <daniels> DAC1138: i strongly suggest you try the hoary live cd, which should have these sorts of problems fixed in the last couple of days
[03:53] <daniels> DAC1138: (our X.org packages are a lot more up to date than Knoppix)
[03:53] <DAC1138> im not sure, but is mdk 10.1 using x.org? because i just got off using mdk 10.1
[03:54] <DAC1138> im checking out hoary now
[03:55] <DAC1138> is it avail. to download?
[03:55] <jdub> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[03:55] <jdub> see daily and daily-live
[03:56] <DAC1138> thanks for the link
[03:56] <lanerebel> how can I get into an app that asks for root password?  isn't that disabled?
[03:56] <tritium> lanerebel, are you sure it's not asking for your password?
[03:57] <lanerebel> tritium: yes, I tried that already...
[03:57] <tritium> lanerebel, which app?
[03:57] <DAC1138> im still going to finish configuring this kernel, just for the sake of having a config file i can use in the future
[03:57] <lanerebel> tritium: Under Network Tools I clicked configure on one of my ethernet cards (trying to get my wireless card configured)
[03:57] <DAC1138> so you guys really think x.org should work?
[03:58] <DAC1138> OH yeah, and the gentoo version i tried had x.org (vida linux) but i dont think it was very up-to-date
[03:58] <daniels> DAC1138: i think it's definitely worth a shot -- I've taken some much improved i8xx support from CVS in the last couple of days that should fix these sorts of problems
[03:58] <Cindux> anyone know where to pick up a cheap 20gb HDD
[03:58] <Cindux> Online *
[03:58] <Cindux> used/new doesn't matter
[03:58] <daniels> if it doesn't work, I'd be very interested in grabbing your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log and trying to work it out
[03:59] <tritium> lanerebel, "Please enter your password" that need your user password
[03:59] <lanerebel> tritium: It says please enter root password, I tried mine first
[03:59] <DAC1138> alrighty, thanks, ill give it a shot
[03:59] <DAC1138> so hoary stable will be out next month?
[04:00] <tritium> April
[04:00] <daniels> DAC1138: yep, but you can try the Hoary live CD now if you like
[04:01] <tritium> lanerebel, that's not supposed to be the case
[04:01] <lanerebel> tritium: I figured that... I'll search on bugzilla...
[04:03] <lyy> wow, i went to buy a mac mini and they were sold out yesterday in like 1 hour after it opened
[04:03] <tritium> lanerebel, system configuration programs like that are supposed to ask for the user password.  The first user created during install has priveleges to run those apps.
[04:03] <Cindux> um
[04:03] <tritium> lyy, I was shocked to see that Target is going to carry the mac mini.
[04:03] <Cindux> Can we change the login screen for ubuntu
[04:03] <Cindux> with our own image ?
[04:04] <lyy> tritium: i went to target. they don't have it there. probably only a network thing
[04:04] <tritium> grepper, did you get your grub splash image working?
[04:04] <grepper> tritium: nope, I'm ready to give up, I've run update-grub about 20 times ;)
[04:04] <tritium> Cindux, for what?
[04:04] <Cindux> lol mouse slipped downward
[04:04] <Cindux> :
[04:05] <Zotnix> Heh, mIRC
[04:05] <Cindux> lol
[04:05] <Zotnix> Remember using it when I used Windows
[04:05] <Cindux> I'm still backing up data & audio from this windows machine
[04:05] <Cindux> 80gb drive so its gunna be awhile :9
[04:05] <Cindux> anyway ill be on later
[04:06] <tritium> grepper, what if you try placing it in /boot/grub directory directly?  I did that, and ran update-grub, without even having to edit menu.lst, and it found it
[04:07] <lanerebel> tritium: I got it... I ran sudo passwd to set the root password and am using that...
[04:07] <grepper> tritium: I tried that already
[04:08] <tritium> grepper, that's odd
[04:08] <grepper> searching for splash image - none found , skipping . . .
[04:08] <tritium> grepper, wait /dev/hda3 is mounted on /boot
[04:08] <tritium> ?
[04:09] <grepper> yep
[04:09] <tritium> did you try taking out /boot from the path?
[04:09] <grepper> yep
[04:09] <grepper> tried it like the kernels as well
[04:09] <grepper>  /vmlinuz-foo
[04:10] <tritium> I seem to remember grub doing weird things like using "/boot/boot/grub" when /boot is on a separate partition
[04:12] <neighborlee> would someone mind terribly doing test for me so I know if i'm looking at reinstall or not ;(shrug:(....loadup gnome monitor and view the 'resource monitor ' tab and tell me where cpu useage seems to settle at ??
[04:12] <grepper> tritium: yeah, I saw a post about that, tried that too
[04:13] <grepper> I'll try setting groot
[04:13] <tritium> grepper, you seem to have tried it all.  sorry I can't help you figure it out
[04:15] <kent> neighborlee, is yours to high, or?  mine is at 20-40 % right now, but im having 8 bittorrent downloads with bittornade running (and other applications such as epiphany, xchat, gaim etc).
[04:15] <freemanda> anyone up on vsftpd
[04:15] <grepper> ok tritium thanks anyway - this machine is a gift for my 9 yr old nephew and I'm trying to spare him the boot messages
[04:15] <robertj_> grepper: aren't usplash repos supposed to be online this week?
[04:15] <tritium> grepper, that's nice of you.  Good luck
[04:15] <grepper> robertj: dunno
[04:15] <grepper> tritium: thanks :)
[04:15] <neighborlee> kent, my settles in at about 25%....with only xchat and gnome terminal running along with gnome monitor
[04:16] <kent> neighborlee, and you are sure you have not set gnome monitor to update every 0.5 seconds or something? otherwise it seems like a to high figure :(
[04:17] <neighborlee> kent, nope i've not changed any settings there
[04:17] <kent> neighborlee, what process is taking so much?
[04:17] <neighborlee> kent, wish I knew
[04:18] <farruinn> what do I need to use java applets in firefox?
[04:18] <tritium> neighborlee, check the processes tab
[04:18] <tritium> click on PU to sort
[04:18] <tritium> \% CPU
[04:19] <kent> neighborlee, change to show all processes, and then you should have a columns for % of cpu in the list. (hopefully, i am running Hoary the unstable branch of Ubuntu so it might have changed)
[04:19] <jdz_> farruinn: a java virtual machive
[04:19] <farruinn> jdz_: is that available in the ubuntu repos?
[04:19] <png`buyuk`hazine> whatis the latest release?
[04:20] <jdub> png`buyuk`hazine: warty warthog, 4.10
[04:20] <kent> png`buyuk`hazine, Warty (if you are talking about ubuntu linux..)
[04:20] <jdz_> farruinn: no, it's not, sadly.  check out http://ubuntuguide.org - there are instructions there.
[04:20] <png`buyuk`hazine> Ubuntu Linux 5.04 Array 3? it that test ?
[04:21] <tritium> jdub, usplash repos are available this week, is that right?
[04:21] <freemanda> any u guys up vsftp
[04:21] <kent> if there was usplash repos out there, i would even reboot once in a while just to se some graphical magic on booting. :)
[04:22] <dieman> ahhh
[04:22] <dieman> my opteron died over the weekend :|
[04:22] <jdub> tritium: no idea.
[04:22] <jdz_> kent: me too.  I can't wait to usplash! :D
[04:22] <jdub> png`buyuk`hazine: that's a test release from the devel branch, yes.
[04:22] <png`buyuk`hazine> thanks jdub
[04:23] <dieman> well
[04:23] <dieman> hopefully the machine has a highly interesting oops on the screen that I can report to the kernel people
[04:23] <farruinn> jdz_: you're referring to sun's j2se?
[04:23] <neighborlee> kent, yeah i've got all processes and X spikes sometimes to 20% or so....no idea whats causing it as its doing it with both 2.6.10 and 2.6.8 kernels so that isn't it...using warty btw
[04:24] <jdz_> farruinn: Thats one possible java-vm that'll let you use java-applets in firefox, yes.
[04:24] <kent> neighborlee, have you installed either nvidia och ati's drivers for 3d? if so, try to remove them and see if it continues..?
[04:24] <neighborlee> kent, either I try upgrading to hoary or I reinstall I guess ;(
[04:25] <farruinn> jdz_: sorry if I'm being blind, but that's the only one I'm finding on ubuntuguide.org
[04:25] <neighborlee> kent, yes I use nvidia....6111
[04:25] <Mamorook> What file do you have to alter to set up an ethernet card?  Or does Ubuntu ship with a utility to configure it for you?
[04:25] <jdz_> farruinn: Thats one possible java-vm that'll let you use java-applets in firefox, yes.
[04:25] <kent> neighborlee, if you choose to either reinstall or upgrade, i would first spend some time upgrading. it might help, and for me Hoary now is stable (but there is no guerantee..)
[04:25] <neighborlee> kent, 8 bittorrents eh ;-)...busy man heh
[04:25] <jdz_> farruinn: blah, hit the up arrow by mistake.  That'll work, give it a try!
[04:25] <neighborlee> kent, yup exactly
[04:26] <farruinn> on ppc?
[04:26] <neighborlee> kent, its tempting yes...I just fear after threee hours I might be left with unuseable system anyway LOL..shrug
[04:26] <jdz_> farruinn: oh!  ppc?  try IBM's
[04:26] <farruinn> ok, thanks
[04:26] <jdz_> farruinn: however, I don't think there are instructions on the ubuntuguide site for ibm's
[04:26] <jdz_> farruinn: it should be fairly similar though.
[04:26] <farruinn> nope, but that's ok
[04:27] <neighborlee> kent, so after upgrade you still could login to desktop
[04:27] <kent> neighborlee, i would actually try to remove the nvidia driver first if i was you.  That might help. Just remove the package, and make *sure* you are not loading the nvidia kernel-module, and that you use "nv" and not "nvidia" as the driver for X. (if you know howto,..?)
[04:28] <kent> neighborlee, yes. but i could not use the nvidia driver. I dont know why, but X gets crazy then. I have an old tnt2-card, so i dont get much 3d anyway so i dont mind using the free driver.
[04:29] <budfox> any ideas on getting palm pilot to connect by usb?
[04:29] <neighborlee> kent, I suppose its worth a shot...nv would be okay for a test yes
[04:29] <grepper> tritium: I am reading about needing a "bootsplash" enabled kernel  - is the warty kernel such ?
[04:29] <kent> neighborlee, since it seems like its X that causes the CPU overload (if i read correctly) i would start with the drivers for X :)
[04:31] <neighborlee> yea
[04:31] <crypticreign> why is ubuntu-desktop removed when it removes xine-gstreamer inorder to install totem-xine?
[04:31] <tritium> grepper, for grub splash images, or the bootsplash kernel patch?
[04:31] <regeya> crypticreign, to frighten you into not installing a working totem
[04:31] <grepper> oh, what's the diff ?
[04:31] <crypticreign> regeya: heh
[04:32] <grepper> is the bootsplash kernel just the framebuffer pic ?
[04:32] <|QuaD-_> any people here c++ experts?
[04:32] <tritium> crypticreign, because ubuntu-desktop depends on totem-gstreamer
[04:32] <regeya> don't worry too much about it, crypticreign.
[04:32] <crypticreign> regeya: ok
[04:32] <tritium> grepper, they're different, yes
[04:32] <regeya> tritium: the real question, then, would be 'why does ubuntu-desktop depend on totem-gstreamer?'
[04:33] <sobralense> regeya, to be a default desktop...
[04:33] <sobralense> I think
[04:33] <grepper> ok
[04:34] <regeya> sobralense, that, um, well, uh, hm, well, uh, well then, uh...
[04:34] <sobralense> ubuntu-desktop its a meta, so if it has to be removed, just try looking the package size to see that only few kb is removed
[04:34] <tritium> regeya, because they decided to go with gstreamer since it's freedesktop.org endorsed
[04:34] <kakalto> is there a guide to getting nvidia tv-out working on ubuntu?
[04:34] <kakalto> or do I only need to get the package?
[04:35] <regeya> tritium: okay, but it tends to frighten people who want to use the xine backend.  choice == bad?
[04:35] <tritium> regeya, endorsed is the wrong choice of words
[04:35] <HrdwrBoB> kakalto: set it up as per BinaryDriverHowto
[04:35] <HrdwrBoB> kakalto: then you can edit the config file to change it to suit TV out
[04:35] <tritium> regeya, I agree that it can frighten users
[04:35] <kakalto> which config file?
[04:35] <tritium> kakalto, I got it working
[04:35] <HrdwrBoB> /etc/X11/XF86Config on warty
[04:35] <kakalto> kewl
[04:35] <tritium> kakalto, I just followed the README
[04:35] <regeya> also, I'm told removing ubuntu-desktop has caused problems on hoary, so I have to think this is one thing that can be moved to the 'bad idea' bin
[04:36] <kakalto> tritium, readme?
[04:36] <Scognito> hi all
[04:36] <tritium> kakalto, in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx
[04:36] <kakalto> do point me to it
[04:36] <kakalto> thanks
[04:36] <Scognito> will sometime the libflac4 dep of muine fixed?
[04:36] <tritium> kakalto, "zcat /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz | more"
[04:36] <Scognito> (hoary)
[04:37] <crypticreign> strange crypticreign@hell:~ $ beep-media-player
[04:37] <crypticreign> BMP: Unable to open display, exiting
[04:37] <tritium> kakalto, look for the section on "TwinView"
[04:39] <kakalto> that's not the easiest thing
[04:39] <kakalto> considering the size of it
[04:42] <K-Rich> kakalto: last section
[04:43] <farruinn> anyone know if IBM pSeries is compatible with ppc?
[04:43] <farruinn> non-G5 that is
[04:46] <robertj_> farruinn: to an extent
[04:46] <robertj_> Suse used to put out a pSeries version
[04:46] <robertj_> but I don't know anything else about it really
[04:47] <crypticreign> htm, i cannot start xmms either
[04:50] <farruinn> apparently it is compatible because the file I'm downloading is *.ppc.tgz and no mention of pSeries
[04:51] <farruinn> thanks jdz_ for pointing me in the right direction
[04:51] <farruinn> I've found instructions for installing this java-vm in ubuntu on the wiki
[04:55] <billytwowilly> anyone know if athlon xp-m cpus will work in normal athlon boards?
[04:57] <Scooter> I am shoping for text browsers, any sugestions?? lynx is a bit to cryptic for me..
[04:57] <K-Rich> links2
[04:57] <Cindux> Can someone help me
[04:57] <K-Rich> you can also you it as a graphical browser with X and SVGAlib  etc
[04:58] <Cindux> sudo mv /home/desktop/Elegance.jpg /usr/shared/backgrounds isnt working
[04:58] <Cindux> Says DIR not found
[04:58] <Cindux> I tried sudo cp as wlel
[04:58] <knghtbrd> kill the d
[04:58] <knghtbrd> /usr/share
[04:58] <Scognito> Cindux, /usr/share
[04:58] <Cindux> ???
[04:58] <Scooter> Thasnks <K-Rich> :)
[04:59] <Scognito> use tab button to autocomplete
[04:59] <Cindux> but i wanted it in the backgrounds DIR ?
[04:59] <crypticreign> odd, xmms wont start at all
[04:59] <crypticreign> hmm
[04:59] <tritium> Cindux, you're still working on that?
[04:59] <Cindux> lol no
[04:59] <Cindux> i went upstairs to watch a movie and just tried now
[04:59] <Cindux> Scog are you talking to me ?
[05:00] <knghtbrd> /usr/share/backgrounds
[05:00] <Cindux> oh
[05:00] <Scognito> Cindux, yes
[05:00] <Cindux> i was doing usr/shared
[05:01] <Scognito> Cindux, type:  /usr/sha and press tab
[05:01] <Scognito> it will be autocompleted
[05:01] <lyy> anyone using tvtime?
[05:02] <Scognito> i use xawtv
[05:02] <lyy> Scognito: can you record with xawtv?
[05:02] <Scognito> never tried
[05:02] <Scognito> i used mencoder years ago
[05:03] <Scognito> but my pc is to slooooow
[05:03] <K-Rich> i used to use tvtime but can't get my tuner to work now :/  (needs rivatv module)
[05:03] <calamari> hi
[05:04] <knghtbrd> (hi)
[05:04] <calamari> this line gives me "Permission denied".  If I do sudo su and execute it without sudo, it works:  sudo echo "hello" > /media/floppy/test.txt
[05:04] <Scognito> knghtbrd, what time is it there?
[05:04] <calamari> hi knghtbrd :)
[05:04] <knghtbrd> 20:04
[05:04] <calamari> I could go for some fried food right about now :)
[05:04] <HrdwrBoB> calamari: that's because > is interpreted by your users shell
[05:04] <HrdwrBoB> calamari: and hence run as your user
[05:04] <Scognito> calamari, it's to late here for fried calamari
[05:04] <HrdwrBoB> calamari: echo "hello" | sudo tee /media/floppy/test.txt
[05:04] <HrdwrBoB> will work
[05:05] <Scognito> gotta go
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> running echo as you and writing to the file as root
[05:05] <calamari> what is tee ?
[05:05] <Scognito> it's 5:05 am here
[05:05] <calamari> Scognito: cya ;)
[05:05] <Scognito> calamari, bye
[05:05] <MacPlusG3> calamari: $ whatis tee
[05:05] <MacPlusG3> tee (1)              - read from standard input and write to standard output and files
[05:06] <calamari> oh, it's a program :)
[05:06] <calamari> thanks.. hehe
[05:08] <regeya> guh.  someone's thinking of writing a beagle kde ioslave?  wowza.
[05:08] <froust> bugger... anyone have any suggestions for setting up audio for tux racer? (works fine in normal operation)
[05:08] <hhorsman> hi, im having trouble with X, my PS/2 mouse won't work anyone have some insight?
[05:09] <bob2> froust: 'esddsp tuxracer' in a terminal
[05:09] <calamari> HrdwrBoB: it works.. but is there a way to prevent it from being shown onscreen?
[05:09] <froust> command not found?
[05:09] <calamari> (the echoed text I mean)
[05:10] <HrdwrBoB>  echo "hello" | sudo tee /media/floppy/test.txt > /dev/null
[05:10] <calamari> oic.. thanks again :)
[05:12] <hhorsman> anyone, little help, ps/2 mouse config ???
[05:12] <froust> bob2: it said that esddsp wasn't found
[05:12] <trey3> hhorsman, lsmod | grep psmouse ?
[05:13] <hhorsman> returns 19336
[05:13] <hhorsman> and 0
[05:14] <knghtbrd> calamari: this probably isn't funny to anyone who wasn't there, but, "I was hungry!"
[05:14] <trey3> hhorsman, lsmod | grep mousedev ?
[05:14] <hhorsman> trey3, 11160 0
[05:15] <trey3> hhorsman, numbers don't matter... seeing if they are loaded  :/
[05:15] <sm> hmm, what should I restart to make changes in /etc/pam.d take effect ?
[05:15] <trey3> hhorsman, cat /dev/input/mouse0
[05:15] <steps> can anyone tell me how to get ubuntu to use ALSA instead of ESD please?
[05:15] <trey3> hhorsman, then move the mouse... should get garble on screen?
[05:15] <calamari> knghtbrd: hehe.. well off to test this syslinux boot disk.. thanks all for the scripting help.. If all goes well, I'll be updating the BootDiskHowto :)
[05:16] <hhorsman> trey3, yep
[05:16] <hhorsman> can i use that as the device?
[05:16] <hhorsman> im used to seeing /dev/mouse
[05:17] <trey3> hhorsman, k... make sure /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (for warty) is set to use "PS/2" and is pointed at "/dev/input/mouse0"...
[05:17] <trey3> hhorsman, last one is likely whats wrong... (pointed at /dev/psaux instead)
[05:18] <trey3> hhorsman, you have a wheel mouse?
[05:18] <froust> what plugin do i need to get totem to play wmvs?
[05:19] <trey3> froust, its in the wiki... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:19] <hhorsman> trey3, i changed it to /dev/input/mouse and that seems to make it work, but im getting lots of system beeps when moving the mouse
[05:19] <tritium> win32codecs
[05:19] <hhorsman> trey3, amd ues its a wheelmouse
[05:20] <trey3> hhorsman, "ImPS/2" then...
[05:20] <hhorsman> trey3, i think thats what its set to now
[05:20] <hhorsman> trey3, should i try something else?
[05:20] <trey3> hhorsman, hmm.. k... not sure whats causing the beeps though...
[05:21] <hhorsman> trey3, lol nevermind
[05:21] <hhorsman> trey3, i figured it out, i left the cat dump running in a different virtual term
[05:21] <froust> trey: what am i looking for?
[05:21] <trey3> hhorsman, haha  :)
[05:22] <tritium> froust, win32codecs
[05:22] <lyy> anyone here have a tvtuner?
[05:22] <hhorsman> trey3, not my smoothest move, lol thanks
[05:22] <froust> ahhso.
[05:22] <trey3> froust, put the marrilat souces in /etc/apt/sources.list and install w32codecs ...
[05:22] <trey3> tritium, w32codecs is marillats name for the package...
[05:22] <tritium> trey3, yeah, you're right
[05:22] <trey3> tritium, I know  ;)
[05:25] <Cindux> hey all
[05:25] <Cindux> I have a quick question
[05:25] <lyy> oh crap. no mplayer in debian?
[05:26] <Cindux> How do i edit the color of what I select ?
[05:26] <Cindux> like, when I highlight something in Application
[05:26] <Cindux> it turns brown
[05:26] <farruinn> change your gtk theme
[05:26] <farruinn> or make your own
[05:26] <farruinn> :P
[05:26] <Cindux> :O
[05:26] <farruinn> afaik that's how it's done
[05:26] <Cindux> i have to change my entire theme
[05:26] <Cindux> :O
[05:26] <Cindux> i went through all of em i didnt see an option to make my own
[05:26] <trey3> lyy, its in multiverse...
[05:27] <lyy> trey3: sorry, i am still kinda new to ubuntu and debian. what do you mean by multiverse
[05:28] <farruinn> multiverse is another group of apps available for installation
[05:28] <lyy> farruinn: how do i go get it?
[05:28] <jdz_> lyy: It's a repisitory.  In Ubuntu, there's Main, Restrected, Universe, Multiverse
[05:29] <trey3> lyy, add "multiverse" to the end of the line that states 'universe' in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:29] <lyy> jdz_: i ok.
[05:29] <lyy> trey3: would that stop me from getting stuff from universe ?
[05:29] <lyy> trey3: or will it just allow me to get more?
[05:29] <trey3> farruinn, grrr... he could have just edited his gtkrc...
[05:30] <trey3> lyy, no... it just adds packages that you can install...
[05:30] <farruinn> trey3: ooh, didn't know about that
[05:30] <trey3> farruinn, then why did you answer?
[05:30] <lyy> trey3: so it won't remove me from using packages from universe?
[05:30] <lyy> trey3: since i'm making it universe
[05:30] <trey3> lyy, no.. it wont
[05:31] <Crane> did I hear correcly , did Johnny Carson Die today?
[05:31] <lyy> trey3: thanks
[05:31] <lyy> Crane: yes
[05:31] <Crane> How sad, Where can I find a story?
[05:31] <Crane> is it on like Cnn or something
[05:31] <farruinn> trey3: hey, I'm not looking for an argument here - I just gave him the info I had
[05:32] <jmhodges> ah, hrm..
[05:32] <trey3> farruinn, incorrect info... I'm sure he is grateful...
[05:32] <Crane> found it on CNN
[05:32] <jmhodges> im trying to install a bit of source code thats looking for a "libpanelapplet-2.0" and i have both gnome-applet and gnome-applet-dev installed
[05:33] <DAC1138> well, X.org doesnt work either
[05:33] <jmhodges> do i need to change my PKG_CONFIG_PATH? if so, what should i change it to?
[05:34] <tritium> trey3, no need to get angry
[05:34] <tritium> DAC1138, on Hoary?
[05:35] <calamari> hi
[05:35] <calamari> having floppy unmounting problems again
[05:35] <DAC1138> tritium, yeah
[05:35] <calamari> sudo umount /dev/fd0  umount: /media/floppy0: device is busy
[05:36] <calamari> using -f doesn't help
[05:36] <trey3> calamari, lsof /dev/fd0
[05:36] <tritium> DAC1138, did you look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[05:37] <calamari> trey: that gave no output
[05:37] <DAC1138> yeah, but im trought with it, im not bothering with it anymore
[05:37] <DAC1138> its a waste of time, im sticking with what i KNOW (for a fact) works
[05:37] <regeya> Crane: Johnny Carson died quite some time ago
[05:37] <tritium> DAC1138, would you send it to daniels?
[05:37] <regeya> Truly an American Icon
[05:37] <ChrisC_> does anyone here have any experience with using Ubuntu with a KVM?
[05:38] <tritium> DAC1138, what rae you sticking with?
[05:38] <DAC1138> tritium, i guess i could, not that itll do any good. ill have to boot the live cd again, but im busy with trying to get a new kernel working so i can get X working my way...the way that works
[05:38] <Cindux> bla
[05:38] <DAC1138> rae?
[05:38] <Cindux> got my bg working
[05:38] <tritium> are
[05:38] <calamari> ahh, sorry.. needed to run that as sudo :)
[05:38] <calamari> famd    3246 calamari   50r   DIR    2,0 7168    1 /media/floppy0
[05:38] <Cindux> Anyone know how i can remove a file from terminal ?
[05:38] <farruinn> Cindux: rm is the remove command
[05:39] <Cindux> so it would be
[05:39] <tritium> DAC1138, what ARE you sticking with?
[05:39] <Cindux> sudo rm /usr/share/backgrounds/image.jpg ? ?
[05:39] <regeya> Crane, in all seriousness, yes, he died today.
[05:39] <trey3> Cindux, yes
[05:39] <Cindux> woah
[05:39] <Cindux> lol
[05:39] <DAC1138> oh. im using the xig server, what i was going to use before
[05:39] <Cindux> i guessed correctly woohoo
[05:39] <regeya> Crane: http://www.14wfie.com/Global/story.asp?S=2845948&nav=3w6oVVr7
[05:39] <Cindux> thanks man
[05:39] <DAC1138> Xsummit (laptop edition)
[05:39] <trey3> Cindux, cept... for that... sudo in front...
[05:39] <Crane> heh sorry I was reading the story on CNN
[05:39] <Cindux> oh er = /
[05:39] <Cindux> dont i need to be root to remove ?
[05:40] <Cindux> what if i sudo su first
[05:40] <tritium> DAC1138, well, it would do some good for ubuntu if you could sent that info to daniels
[05:40] <Crane> I didn't realize he had been retired that long
[05:40] <Cindux> then next line i did it
[05:40] <tritium> DAC1138, send
[05:40] <trey3> Cindux, sudo su would do nothing...
[05:40] <calamari> trey3: killed famd and re-ran it.. seems to have worked.. thanks
[05:40] <DAC1138> ill send it...im just busy building a new kernel right now though, im tired of rebooting
[05:40] <Cindux> i thought it allows all your commands to be typed as root
[05:40] <Cindux> bla
[05:40] <farruinn> Cindux: sudo -s would give you a root shell
[05:40] <trey3> calamari, you're welcome... lsof rules  ;)
[05:40] <Cindux> oh ic
[05:40] <tritium> DAC1138, thanks.  We appreciate it.
[05:41] <Cindux> so in the root shell i do rm /usr/share/backgrounds etc
[05:41] <DAC1138> and people with the same problem as me have already sent bug reports into x.org and xfree86 devel, i dont know if they ever got "heard" or looked at
[05:41] <farruinn> yes
[05:41] <DAC1138> but, ill still send it in
[05:41] <Cindux> wee
[05:41] <farruinn> but always think twice before removing a file
[05:41] <Cindux> its a jpeg
[05:42] <VTepes> hey, how do I get deb packages after installing Ubuntu?  All Synaptic is showing me is what's already installed... (sorry if this is a common question, but I searched the forum and couldn't find an answer)
[05:42] <calamari> brb.. trying the boot disk v2 :)
[05:42] <tritium> farruinn, earlier he really insisted on putting his personal background images in /usr/share/background.  Now he probably wants to delete them.
[05:42] <farruinn> yeah, I remember that
[05:43] <farruinn> I just wanted to make sure he understood that it wasn't like putting a file in the trash
[05:43] <tritium> VTepes, click on "Status" and then choose "Not installed"
[05:43] <crimsun> VTepes: make sure the main repository is enabled
[05:44] <VTepes> crimsun: main restricted?  that's all I seem to have options for...
[05:45] <crimsun> VTepes: and tritium's suggestion?
[05:45] <VTepes> crimsun: that works, but I'm still not seeing very many choices...
[05:46] <VTepes> crimsun: wait, I think it's working now, thanks:)
[05:46] <tritium> VTepes, you probably want to enable universe and multiverse
[05:46] <VTepes> I think I was having network problems earlier...
[05:49] <ChrisC_> my mouse is hosed ... what is the keyboard shortcut to get to the applications menu so I can do a clean shutdown?
[05:50] <trey3> ChrisC_, alt f1
[05:50] <lyy> anyone record tv shows from their tv tuner? i can't seem to figure out how.
[05:51] <bob2> mythtv.
[05:51] <trey3> lyy, what are you using?
[05:51] <lyy> bob2: is it very painful?
[05:51] <trey3> bob2, I thought tvtime was being favored over mythtv and co?
[05:51] <lyy> trey3: i installed tvtime. but it can't record. i tried looking into mencoder but it's confusing
[05:51] <wm_eddie> Anybody here using Ubuntu on a IBM Thinkpad 600e?
[05:51] <lyy> in windows, all i did was install the program.
[05:51] <VTepes> I'm on a Thinkpad R31
[05:51] <trey3> lyy, ahh... k... listen to bob2  :)
[05:52] <lyy> i guess in linux i need to through some hoops
[05:52] <lyy> jump*
[05:52] <lyy> ok, i'll install mythtv
[05:53] <ChrisC_> trey3: thanks, turns out kb was hosed too, had to push the shiny button ...
[05:53] <ChrisC_> does anyone here have any experience with using Ubuntu with a KVM?
[05:53] <VTepes> wm_eddie I'm on a Thinkpad R31, I may be able to help...
[05:54] <wm_eddie> Does Suspend work with 2.6?
[05:54] <VTepes> wm_eddie: I'm trying to figure that out myself right now;)  I can't find power options in Gnome
[05:55] <bob2> trey3: I don't know
[05:55] <pvh> Ah, I AM already logged in.
[05:55] <wm_eddie> VTepes: Well what I did was install 2.4 :)
[05:55] <tritium> wm_eddie, are you using Hoary?
[05:55] <bob2> I'm sure they're all kinda dodgy in different ways
[05:55] <wm_eddie> no, warty
[05:55] <pvh> Is there a media library plugin available for XMMS?
[05:55] <tritium> wm_eddie, power management is being actively worked on in Hoary
[05:56] <aebcoat> pvh give rythmbox a try?
[05:56] <pvh> aebcoat: It crashes when adding songs to the library.
[05:56] <trey3> pvh, for mp3? yes... for other media? via xmms-xmplayer yes...
[05:56] <wm_eddie> tritium: aw man, I should check it out then :(
[05:56] <aebcoat> hmm, ok
[05:56] <pvh> aebcoat: And it doesn't have a very good 'small' representation.
[05:56] <tritium> wm_eddie, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM
[05:56] <wm_eddie> (I've installed 4 distributions on this laptop today)
[05:56] <VTepes> trtium: what power management options are available in warty?
[05:56] <pvh> trey3: xmms-xmplayer, eh?
[05:56] <trey3> pvh, idk... the panel icon is a pretty good minimized view...
[05:57] <trey3> pvh, yes.
[05:57] <lyy> bob2: bob2 after using synaptic to install mythtv i'm asked to remove some stuff below /var/lib/mysql with the mysql-server package with the "dpkg --purge mysql-server" command.. should i do it?
[05:57] <wm_eddie> tritium: the problem is my laptop is APM
[05:57] <tritium> wm_eddie, oh...
[05:57] <wm_eddie> Right now I'm trying to remember what I did to make my PCMCIA ethernet card work in 2.4
[05:57] <tritium> VTepes, acpi power mgmt requires kernel 2.6.10, which isn't in Warty
[05:57] <trey3> pvh, uhh... xmms-xmmplayer I meant  ;)
[05:57] <pvh> trey3: idk?
[05:58] <VTepes> tritium: (or anyone else) can I upgrade, or is that a bad idea;)?
[05:58] <trey3> pvh, apt-cache show xmms-xmmplayer
[05:58] <bob2> lyy: do you have a mysql database you care about?
[05:58] <pvh> Also, I've noticed a lot of applications I'm installing don't show up in my applications menu.
[05:58] <tritium> VTepes, that depends on how comfortable you are with a distribution that hasn't been released as stable.
[05:58] <lyy> bob2: none that i know of.
[05:58] <pvh> Is that because they're coming from (uni|multi)verse?
[05:59] <bob2> pvh: yup
[05:59] <VTepes> tritium: I think I'll stay with what I have for now... thanks:)
[05:59] <lyy> bob2: did you remove ?
[05:59] <tritium> VTepes, sure
[05:59] <pvh> bob2: I assume they're adding themselves to the Debian menu somewhere. Can I find that?
[05:59] <lyy> bob2: i'll just do what you do.
[05:59] <trey3> bob2, not necissarily because of that... also because most aren't using the new menu spec etc...
[06:00] <trey3> pvh, apt-get install 'menu' if you want Debian's menu... its a mess though imo
[06:00] <aebcoat> speaking of the debian menu- anyone know how t remove all invalid entries?
[06:00] <trey3> uhh... without the ' 's though...
[06:00] <pvh> trey3: Such a mess. That's one thing I really like about ubuntu.
[06:00] <daniels> trey3: what do you mean, 'most aren't using the new menu spec'?
[06:00] <tritium> pvh, their .desktop files are not setup to work with the new menu setup
[06:01] <wm_eddie> It's an awesome movie
[06:01] <pvh> tritium: Ah, nice.
[06:02] <Crane> can anyone tell me where the printer setup file is located?
[06:02] <trey3> daniels, guess I am wrong if you're disputing... most are going into vfolder related folders still though? I thought that changed?
[06:02] <tritium> Crane, /etc/cups/printers.conf
[06:02] <knghtbrd> great fun, but not much plot
[06:02] <crypticreign> what is in multiverse?
[06:02] <pvh> trey3: Where can I read about how the menus work?
[06:02] <Crane> tritium, Thanks alot!!
[06:02] <tritium> yep
[06:02] <bob2> lyy: remove?  I haven't used it.
[06:02] <pvh> crypticreign: Things that aren't in universe. :)
[06:02] <bob2> pvh: not easily.
[06:02] <bob2> pvh: you can add them because hitting applications:/// in your file manager
[06:03] <bob2> trey3: indeed
[06:03] <knghtbrd> crypticreign: Debian contrib/non-free
[06:03] <crypticreign> ah
[06:03] <liquidhex> Hey.. I installed oidentd through synaptic, and its running in the background, but i updated my /etc/oidentd.conf file and tried to hide my root connection to irc, but its still coming up root@ when i /whois myself..
[06:03] <pvh> bob2: I'll check that out. I'm not sure how I could have ever discovered that otherwise though.
[06:03] <knghtbrd> solution: don't irc as root
[06:03] <knghtbrd> =)
[06:03] <liquidhex> knghtbrd, im only doing that to test
[06:03] <liquidhex> my ~/.oidentd.conf file wont work either
[06:04] <tritium> evolution-exchange is still contacting "localhost", even though I gave it the correct OWA URL
[06:04] <knghtbrd> I use nullidentd
[06:04] <liquidhex> knghtbrd, can you choose and/or randomize your responses with it?
[06:04] <knghtbrd> choose yes
[06:04] <liquidhex> that works for me..
[06:04] <liquidhex> maybe i should try that
[06:05] <knghtbrd> yeah, it's damned simple.  If not for the makefile edit (yumi's not a Linux box), I wouldn't have had to modify the program even a little bit
[06:05] <crypticreign> where can i get w32codecs?
[06:05] <crimsun> crypticreign: see /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:05] <wm_eddie> http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list
[06:05] <liquidhex> wait a sec
[06:06] <liquidhex> i killed the daemon and restarted it
[06:06] <Surphaze> just installed ubuntu and im having some issues making my nic work, its a linksys wmp54G and google is telling me its only supported by ndiswrapper.  Are the kernel sources on the install cd anywhere?
[06:06] <Surphaze> I can't find them if they are
[06:06] <pvh> You know, instead of prefixing comments with a person's name, it would really make more sense if we prefixed them with a topic.
[06:07] <wm_eddie> Surphaze: I don't think so...
[06:07] <trey3> wm_eddie, bah... old java... most of the rest of that is ok though...
[06:07] <pvh> I guess that's what multiple rooms are for.
[06:07] <lyy> bob2: it says to log in as mythtv and run mythtv-setup. i'm not sure how to log in as mythtv
[06:07] <knghtbrd> pvh: the multiple channels don't work out that way
[06:07] <pvh> knghtbrd: I know...
[06:07] <bob2> lyy: sudo -u mythtv -s
[06:08] <knghtbrd> and it's an irritant to have 7 channels with the same people if you're watching 7 spur of the moment topics
[06:08] <souheil> hi all
[06:08] <pvh> knghtbrd: So true.
[06:08] <pvh> knghtbrd: But if there were tab-completion for "thread names", conversation would be so much easier.
[06:08] <pvh> knghtbrd: And you could mute topics that disinterested you.
[06:08] <knghtbrd> and this is light duty for me
[06:08] <souheil> i need help with X config
[06:08] <Surphaze> so I guess its going to be a whole buch more reboot/download cycles for me :(
[06:08] <souheil> can anybody help me?
[06:08] <trey3> souheil, thats not very specific... whats wrong?
[06:08] <pvh> irc-reform: Your chat program could just have a list of all the prefixes you saw since you logged in.
[06:09] <knghtbrd> souheil: why don't you start .. yeah listen to trey  =)
[06:09] <pvh> irc-reform: That would be just great.
[06:09] <trey3> pvh, I think you're way over thinking IRC...
[06:09] <pvh> irc-reform: Nonsense! How much of your life is spent in IRC?
[06:09] <souheil> i got a s3 trio : (lspci : )0000:00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+]  (rev 54)
[06:10] <bzbb> pvh, too much, I need to spend more time climbing mountains
[06:10] <bzbb> souheil, ouch, I'm sorry
[06:10] <knghtbrd> good grief, does xfree4 even support that thing?
[06:10] <pvh> irc-reform: Not really the weather for it right now in my hemisphere.
[06:10] <souheil> the XF86 S3 drv won't work, and i'm now struggling w/ vesa drv
[06:11] <knghtbrd> you may not get that working either
[06:11] <bzbb> irc-reform I just got back from the other hemisphere
[06:11] <bzbb> 3 weeks in chile
[06:11] <lyy> bob2: running  sudo -u mythtv -s mythtv-setup gives me this error : mythtv-setup: /usr/bin/mythtv-setup: cannot execute binary file
[06:11] <wm_eddie> woo I got my nic to work
[06:11] <knghtbrd> The Trio isn't VESA 2 compliant
[06:11] <souheil> bzbb :)) looks like a /.er here
[06:11] <pvh> irc-reform: I'm headed for montreal in a couple weeks, so I'm going in the wrong direction.
[06:11] <lyy> bob2: i tried sudo -u mythtv mythtv-setup , and i get mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server
[06:11] <bzbb> irc-reform: autohighlight would be nice, too
[06:12] <bob2> lyy: yes, the former won't work
[06:12] <pvh> irc-reform: It would be really easy to add...
[06:12] <bob2> nor the latter
[06:12] <pvh> irc-reform: Any conversations you've added to would be highlighted.
[06:12] <lyy> bob2: i guess i'm sol
[06:12] <bzbb> Irc-reform: if only  Iwas any good at C
[06:12] <bob2> lyy: maybe 'sudo su -m mythtv'
[06:12] <pvh> irc-reform: Hell, maybe I'll hack it into my copy of x-chat tonight.
[06:12] <alainm> what tool should i use to control my wireless connection?
[06:12] <souheil> the pc is an old pii 350mhz, and i need to get mplayer or any other video player running smoothly on it
[06:12] <bzbb> irc-reform: I would want a copy of that
[06:13] <souheil> the vesa drv is slow as hell
[06:13] <knghtbrd> irc-reform: the jam is moldy in the kitchen and the rolling stone gathers no Microsoft commercials
[06:13] <lyy> bob2: still got mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server
[06:13] <lyy> bob2: maybe i should run it as root
[06:13] <knghtbrd> irc-reform: (as you can see, there are still obvious limitations)
[06:13] <lyy> bob2: run mythtv-setup as root that is
[06:13] <bzbb> irc-reform: I was younger than, I'm older than that now!
[06:13] <alainm> how come when i install an application such as amsn using the synaptic package manager is doesn't add it to the menu?
[06:14] <alainm> applications menu that is
[06:14] <pvh> irc-reform: It doesn't change IRC, it just makes it easier to follow a conversation.
[06:14] <bzbb> Irc-reform: human stupidity, willful or not is always a limitation
[06:14] <pvh> irc-reform: Okay, x-chat plugins, let's see.
[06:14] <tritium> lyy, maybe so.  Not everything can be done using sudo (e.g. /etc/X11/xorg.conf has instructions at the top that can't be used using sudo)
[06:14] <lyy> bob2: i guess it was a long long time since you installed this
[06:14] <bob2> lyy: as I said, I never used it
[06:14] <bob2> and this packaging of it seems useless crap
[06:14] <lyy> oh
[06:14] <sm> not sure alainm.. killall gnome-panel will force it
[06:15] <lyy> bob2: i agree hehe
[06:15] <bzbb> irc-reform: x-chat can use perl or python for plugins, wight?
[06:15] <jacquesv> mplayer assistance needed
[06:15] <alainm> sm: i have rebooted though
[06:15] <tritium> I should say cannot be done without some modification to the commands used
[06:15] <jacquesv> Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[06:15] <jacquesv> Illegal instruction
[06:15] <jacquesv> it bombs
[06:15] <bzbb> well, Its bedtime for me
[06:15] <jacquesv> any ideas ?
[06:15] <pvh> irc-reform: I'll be back with a plugin.
[06:15] <bzbb> gotta get up in 8 hours
[06:15] <souheil> jacquesv, mplayer what?
[06:16] <HrdwrBoB> jacquesv: you probably have the wrong version
[06:16] <bzbb> irc-reform
[06:16] <HrdwrBoB> get mplayer-386 to be sure
[06:16] <bzbb> mesg me with the resuslts
[06:16] <jacquesv> did apt-get install mplayer
[06:16] <sm> alainm hmm, then perhaps run the update-menus command manually.. only I don't remember it's name
[06:16] <jacquesv> ok
[06:16] <jacquesv> HrdwrBoB, ok
[06:16] <pvh> bzbb: Will so.
[06:16] <pvh> bzbb: Er, will do.
[06:17] <souheil> jacquesv, what's ur apt repository?
[06:18] <alainm> sm: did that, still nothing.. i have installed a bunch of applications.. and they don't show up.. the only one that does is Xchat
[06:18] <jacquesv> basic
[06:18] <jacquesv> souheil, basic but added multiverse ! me thinks...checking
[06:19] <jacquesv> yes
[06:19] <souheil> jacquesv, can you drop its lines?
[06:19] <stuNNed> will there ever be a generic 'galaxy' repo in ubuntu?
[06:19] <jacquesv> souheil, sources.list ?
[06:19] <sm> like what applications ? only a subset - gnome apps ? - show up in the menu - not all debian apps
[06:19] <souheil> jacquesv, yep
[06:19] <tritium> xine-ui
[06:20] <jacquesv> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[06:20] <jacquesv> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[06:20] <jacquesv> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[06:20] <jacquesv> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[06:20] <jacquesv> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[06:20] <alainm> sm: pan, kdevelop3, emacs
[06:20] <jacquesv> souheil, basic plus multi
[06:20] <souheil> jacquesv, k
[06:20] <grepper> heh, looks like the grub splash worked after all - strange update-grub kept telling me it couldn't find the image
[06:20] <souheil> jacquesv, mplayer -version
[06:20] <alainm> sm: amsn
[06:20] <tritium> grepper, silly update-grub
[06:20] <pvh> trey3: I haven't been able to figure out how xmms-xmplayer adds media-library stuff to xmms...
[06:20] <sm> yeah, emacs should appear in Accessories
[06:21] <grepper> now, how can I get a boot splash that covers the boot up messages ?
[06:21] <jacquesv> souheil MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.4
[06:21] <alainm> sm: so where does it put the rest?
[06:21] <sm> it will be in the ubuntu bugzilla or the lists I'd say
[06:21] <trey3> pvh, eh... it doesn't... it adds the ability to *play* movies via xmms...
[06:21] <jacquesv> multi-pass
[06:21] <siimo> can someone tell me what is in multiverse?
[06:21] <tritium> grepper, wait for usplash, I'd say
[06:21] <jacquesv> multi-pass
[06:21] <jacquesv> hahaha
[06:21] <trey3> siimo, non-free unsupported software
[06:21] <pvh> trey3: Ohh. I'm looking for a dynamic-playlister.
[06:21] <grepper> tritium: I will be able to use it with warty ?
[06:22] <pvh> trey3: In the style of rhythmbox/itunes/winamp.
[06:22] <tritium> grepper, oh, no, it's going to debut in Hoary
[06:22] <sm> night all
[06:22] <jacquesv> souheil, any ideas
[06:22] <tritium> grepper, there is the bootsplash kernel-patch, if you feel like patching and building a custom kernel
[06:22] <grepper> darn, so I need to patch my kernel I guess, from the limited reading I've done
[06:22] <lyy> bob, the installation of mythtv is like, 10 pages
[06:22] <grepper> tritium: cool, does universe have it ?
[06:23] <jacquesv> all I want is to watch an xvid
[06:23] <souheil> jacquesv, mplayer does crash sometimes, and it prints a lengthy message about possibly why
[06:23] <tritium> grepper, no, I don't see it in ubuntu, even in multiverse
[06:23] <jacquesv> souheil, running from cmdline and ends with Illegal instruction
[06:23] <jacquesv> nada
[06:23] <grepper> ok
[06:23] <souheil> jacquesv, it happens on unsupported to non-thoroughly supported formats
[06:24] <souheil> jacquesv, think some wmv, qt and such
[06:24] <jacquesv> souheil, can I get it running in verbose mode ?
[06:24] <souheil> jacquesv, -v :)
[06:24] <tritium> grepper, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8257
[06:24] <jacquesv> souheil, nada
[06:24] <souheil> jacquesv, does it even run some file?
[06:25] <jacquesv> I am just trying to start it up
[06:25] <grepper> tritium: thanks, reading
[06:25] <tritium> sure thing
[06:25] <souheil> jacquesv, whats ur arch?
[06:25] <jacquesv> man I wanna watch Battlestar Gallactica tv series
[06:26] <souheil> jacquesv, i admit i'm compiling it myself...
[06:26] <souheil> jacquesv, :)
[06:26] <jacquesv> AMD XP 2600+ Nvidia Ultra 512 MB ATi Radeon 9800 Pro
[06:26] <souheil> jacquesv, avi i guess?
[06:26] <jacquesv> yes
[06:26] <jacquesv> must say Ubuntu is running fine
[06:26] <souheil> jacquesv, what does mplayer -version say?
[06:27] <jacquesv> souheil, MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.4
[06:27] <jacquesv> I apt'd it
[06:27] <jacquesv> souheil, maybe I should get tarball and compile ?
[06:28] <crimsun> jacquesv: dpkg -l mplayer-custom|grep ^ii
[06:28] <souheil> jacquesv,  that what i always do
[06:28] <jacquesv> mplayer-custom 1.0-pre5-0.6ub The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux
[06:28] <souheil> jacquesv, just remember that you can get a proper .deb
[06:28] <crimsun> jacquesv: ding.
[06:29] <crimsun> jacquesv: you should be using -k7, not -custom.
[06:29] <jacquesv> crimsun, ?
[06:29] <jacquesv> crimsun, dong
[06:29] <jacquesv> :)
[06:29] <jacquesv> crimsun, aaah
[06:29] <souheil> jacquesv, if you fakeroot debian/rules binary
[06:29] <siimo> hi why do other mirrors than the official one has md5 mismatch? please help? official mirror is too slow for me
[06:29] <jacquesv> crimsun, how do I switch
[06:30] <crimsun> jacquesv: install -k7 and remove -custom
[06:30] <jacquesv> souheil, not familiar with fakeroot ?
[06:30] <jacquesv> crimsun, ok
[06:30] <liquidhex> What is the VGA font for terminals a part of?
[06:30] <siimo> Failed to fetch http://mirrors.wamug.org.au/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[06:30] <siimo> whats that??
[06:31] <souheil> jacquesv, just makes debian/rules think that you're root, a necessity for .deb making w/o being root
[06:31] <jacquesv> souheil, ok
[06:32] <jacquesv> crimsun, where can I get k7 version
[06:32] <jacquesv> souheil,  k7  ? do I have to compile this version
[06:32] <crimsun> jacquesv: same place you got custom
[06:32] <jacquesv> crimsun, multiverse?
[06:32] <jacquesv> crimsun, aint there
[06:32] <siimo> ?!?
[06:32] <crimsun> jacquesv: for what, hoary? warty?
[06:32] <crimsun> siimo: what about the official repo?
[06:32] <jacquesv> warty
[06:33] <crimsun> jacquesv: the instructions for RestrictedFormats have an update
[06:33] <siimo> crimsun, official is fine but other mirrors arent
[06:33] <souheil> jacquesv, thats weird
[06:34] <souheil> jacquesv, -custom saysThis version is for your own machine :-)
[06:35] <souheil> crimsun, does ur experience confirm the comment in the pkg?
[06:35] <jacquesv> souheil, strange
[06:35] <jacquesv> the plot thickens
[06:35] <crimsun> souheil: which comment?
[06:36] <souheil> jacquesv, -custom says his version is for your own machine :-)
[06:36] <jacquesv> crimsun, u have a link to this ?
[06:36] <jacquesv> souheil, for AMD ?
[06:36] <crimsun> jacquesv: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:36] <souheil> crimsun, sorry! This version is for your own machine :-)
[06:36] <crimsun> jacquesv: "Where to get DVDCSS/xvid/other legally questionable packages
[06:37] <souheil> jacquesv, previous msg wrong
[06:37] <wm_eddie> Damn!
[06:38] <souheil> crimsun, do you actually need dvdcss?
[06:38] <da_bon_bon> hey i wanna intreoduce a frnd to linux and he has a live cd. he cant change his bios setting to boot and i cant explain well. any suggestions ?
[06:38] <crimsun> souheil: if you plan to play DVDs directly from mplayer, yes
[06:38] <souheil> crimsun, i just played dune dvd, w/o it!!
[06:39] <crimsun> souheil: using a static binary of mplayer?
[06:39] <alainm> so is anyone else having this problem with applications not showing up in the Applications menu?
[06:39] <wm_eddie> Where do I put what alsaconf put in /etc/alsa/modutils/0.9 ?
[06:39] <souheil> crimsun, unless it's included in libdvdnav or libdvdread
[06:39] <souheil> crimsun, no
[06:40] <souheil> crimsun, i compiled it myself a few hours ago
[06:40] <crimsun> wm_eddie: eh? ubuntu handles that for you.
[06:40] <souheil> crimsun, and the same thing, for my debian-ppc ibook
[06:40] <souheil> crimsun, it's really weird...
[06:42] <wm_eddie> crimsun: no my sound card is strange.
[06:42] <jacquesv> crimsun,
[06:42] <twisted_steel> is there any way to forcefully remove a broken package from my system?
[06:42] <crimsun> twisted_steel: how broken is it?
[06:42] <jacquesv> crimsun, so I have to use mplayer-k7 ? what of mplayer-i686
[06:42] <crimsun> jacquesv: your arch is k7, so use k7.
[06:42] <jmhodges> gah, anyone have a working libgtksourceview-cil ?
[06:42] <jmhodges> deb i mean
[06:42] <jmhodges> heh
[06:43] <twisted_steel> crimsun: the removal didn't work; it removes files and then tries to remove them again, and they are of course already gone
[06:43] <twisted_steel> crimsun: so dpkg fails
[06:43] <jacquesv> crimsun, fails dependancy says needs -k6 ?
[06:43] <trey3> jacquesv, -686 is for p2 and above... -k7 is for AMD...
[06:43] <jacquesv> trey3, fails dependancy says needs -k6 ?
[06:43] <trey3> jacquesv, yuh... people don't seem to get that he deprecated -k7  :/
[06:43] <crimsun> jacquesv: please tell me you didn't click the url on the web page.
[06:44] <crimsun> jacquesv: please tell me instead you added it as a repo in Synaptic (or edited /etc/apt/sources.list manually)
[06:44] <jacquesv> I did to find out what packages he had then added to my apt sources
[06:44] <jacquesv> yes
[06:44] <crimsun> jacquesv: what did you add?
[06:44] <jacquesv> crimsun, i did add the uri testing main
[06:45] <crimsun> jacquesv: did you read directly below that?
[06:45] <jacquesv> I am runnign apt-get install mplayer-k7
[06:45] <twisted_steel> crimsun: I touched the files in an attempt to get it to pick them up, but it tries to remove one of them at least 2 times
[06:45] <trey3> jacquesv, if you have an AMD processor... apt-get install mplayer-k6 ...
[06:45] <jacquesv> crimsun, apparently not !!!
[06:45] <jacquesv> crimsun, "debian-marillat repository's packages were rebuilt against newer packages that aren't available in Warty"
[06:46] <trey3> jacquesv, use testing...  :
[06:46] <jacquesv> crimsun, doh!
[06:46] <crimsun> jacquesv: continue reading.
[06:46] <jacquesv> crimsun, yes ....
[06:48] <jacquesv> crimsun, the light goes on!
[06:49] <jacquesv> whats the deal with audio/video and Ubuntu ?
[06:49] <stuNNed> crimsun: know if when hoary ships fbsplash will be enabled and if so will default gnome-terminal background be the fbsplash image file?
[06:49] <jacquesv> is the licensing ?????
[06:49] <jacquesv> trey3, hmmm
[06:50] <wm_eddie> Damn now when I unmute PCM I get loud noises...
[06:50] <Guardiann> jacquesv yep its the licensing
[06:50] <crimsun> stuNNed: to be honest, I have no idea; jdub probably has a much clearer idea.
[06:50] <stuNNed> crimsun: ok thanks
[06:51] <stuNNed> brb
[06:51] <jacquesv> aaahhhhhhhhhh crap
[06:52] <jacquesv> I get mplayer
[06:52] <jacquesv> wont play my avi ????
[06:52] <crimsun> jacquesv: did you install w32codecs?
[06:52] <jacquesv> ohhh uuuuh
[06:52] <jacquesv> :_(
[06:53] <neighborlee> does a full upgrade to hoary cause any weirdness I should prepare for ?LOL
[06:53] <jacquesv> bloody 'ell....hoary ? who chooses the names ?
[06:53] <neighborlee> lol
[06:53] <neighborlee> maybe one of the devs last names ..ha
[06:53] <jacquesv> we'll be the laughing stock of the linux community
[06:54] <wm_eddie> Who chooses the wallpapers ><
[06:54] <wm_eddie> hehe
[06:54] <wm_eddie> I love this distro
[06:54] <neighborlee> jacquesv,heh
[06:54] <jacquesv> wm_eddie, I do, why ?
[06:54] <jacquesv> wm_eddie, haha just kidden
[06:54] <jacquesv> neighborlee, hey
[06:56] <wm_eddie> c'mon sound work!
[06:56] <jacquesv> wm_eddie, I had that problem....till I went to mixer and turned up the levels
[06:56] <jacquesv> wm_eddie, doh!
[06:57] <wm_eddie> when I turn them up, I get static
[06:58] <Shinigami> hello everyone.  I have a new instalation (warty) and I seem to be haveing some dificulty surfing and would like some sugestions.  My connection seems ok with ping, IRC clients, but the browsers take forever (about a min) to load anything.  Gaim also took a bit to log-on, but is very responsive after that.  Any thoughts for a new Ubuntu user?I have a fair understanding of computers, but only a moderate level of Linux, so an
[06:58] <Shinigami> y help is appreciated.
[06:59] <wm_eddie> I think I heard of that before.
[06:59] <wm_eddie> something about IPv6
[06:59] <Shinigami> probally
[07:00] <Shinigami> wm_eddie: my friend was trying to help me yesturday when I could not log in myself.
[07:01] <wm_eddie> I remember the fix being something like changing a line in the chrome configuration or something.
[07:01] <wm_eddie> try a google search for firefox or mozilla IPv6 problem
[07:01] <Guardiann> the fix is at www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:01] <Shinigami> *nods* ok, thank you.  I'll be bak :)
[07:01] <Shinigami> Both of you.
[07:02] <Guardiann> yw
[07:03] <wm_eddie> sigh, I'll never get this thing working right.
[07:04] <trey3> wm_eddie, hardware plugged into right place (no seriously) ... mic muted? fiddle with mixer settings till static is gone...
[07:05] <wm_eddie> trey3: yup everything is in order.
[07:05] <wm_eddie> the static only happens when a sound plays. (but the static never stops)
[07:05] <wm_eddie> something is not configured right...
[07:05] <VenomousGecko> Hey guys
[07:05] <trey3> wm_eddie, somethings wrong... sound card is working though... else you wouldn't get static... gotta be an alsa issue...
[07:05] <calamari> hi
[07:05] <VenomousGecko> I am having an issue with an install on an Inspiron 8000
[07:06] <wm_eddie> I would get the same sound after waking from suspend on SuSE 8.2
[07:06] <wm_eddie> sometimes.
[07:06] <VenomousGecko> Anyone interested in hearing my story :P
[07:06] <souheil> any one with s3 trio issue w/ Xf86 s3 drv?
[07:06] <trey3> wm_eddie, definatly up-stream alsa issue then... should report it somewhere...
[07:07] <wm_eddie> Nobody cares about this old 600E anymore
[07:07] <wm_eddie> Funny thing is it only stops when I mute PCM
[07:08] <wm_eddie> and if I turn up In-gain the right speaker also starts doing the static thing
[07:08] <calamari> still messing w/ the boot disk.  Anyone used syslinux before?  The kernel starts booting, then complains that I don't have a correct "root=" entry.  I'm using "root=/dev/hda1 ro"
[07:08] <froust> anyone know where i can download icons for firefox to replace the ones that come with ubuntu?
[07:08] <wm_eddie> Themes?
[07:09] <wm_eddie> or do you mean the Firefox icons in GTK?
[07:09] <jacquesv> aaah
[07:09] <wm_eddie> or gnome rather
[07:09] <VenomousGecko> Is anyone aware of an issues with certain keys (ie the fn+font combo) causing ubuntu to freeze on Dell Inspiron 8000?
[07:09] <jacquesv> I got maplayer up but wont play my xvid file
[07:10] <wrd> do you mean mplayer ?
[07:10] <bur[n] er> jacquesv: do any other players?  are you sure your xvid is ok?
[07:10] <jacquesv> wrd yes
[07:10] <jacquesv> bur[n] er, well I only have mplayer
[07:10] <wrd> what does mplayer say (try starting it in the commandline?)
[07:11] <jacquesv> wrd I am
[07:11] <jacquesv> hang on
[07:11] <Guardiann> jacquesv have you installed the codecs
[07:11] <bur[n] er> jacquesv: try totem-xine or vlc?
[07:11] <bur[n] er> jacquesv: try with gmplayer for gui mplayer?
[07:11] <souheil> jacquesv, there's libxvidcore on multi
[07:12] <parmin> hello there
[07:12] <parmin> i've installed apache 1.33 and php as cgi
[07:12] <parmin> but all i've get is error messages
[07:12] <jacquesv> bur[n] er, tried gmplayer...
[07:13] <bur[n] er> jacquesv: just get totem-xine and see if that works... apt-get install totem-xine should install codecs needed, and mplayer should work after that too ;)
[07:13] <bur[n] er> assuming your xvid is ok
[07:15] <grepper> hey bur[n] er :)
[07:16] <bur[n] er> didn't know you were an ubuntu guy these days
[07:16] <grepper> yeah, well it is well suited to this machine I am giving to my nephew
[07:16] <bur[n] er> right on
[07:16] <grepper> simple menu's, not too much cruft installed
[07:17] <bur[n] er> for sure
[07:17] <bur[n] er> i hope he doesn't burn cds ;)
[07:17] <jacquesv> duuuuuuuuude
[07:17] <jacquesv> its working
[07:17] <jacquesv> wooooohooooo
[07:17] <jacquesv> heeeehhaaa
[07:17] <bur[n] er> jacquesv: what'd you do?
[07:17] <grepper> he's a Mac user, so he will like these silly little windows that pop up all over the place :)
[07:17] <jacquesv> started from cmdline
[07:18] <bur[n] er> huh... good work
[07:18] <jacquesv> battlestar galactica
[07:18] <jacquesv> cylons
[07:18] <jacquesv> sure are pretty
[07:19] <bur[n] er> jacquesv: i would suggest teh Industrial skin for mplayer :)
[07:19] <bur[n] er> makes more gnomey
[07:19] <jacquesv> bur[n] er, thx getting it
[07:20] <bur[n] er> sure
[07:21] <wrd> good night
[07:21] <siimo> can someone post a list of ubuntu mirrors where there is no md5sum mismatch?
[07:22] <Coglike_> can nautilus display a webpage as my desktop background?
[07:22] <trey3> Coglike_, not that I know of...
[07:22] <ThreeShot> like active desktop on windows?
[07:23] <Coglike_> ThreeShot: yah.
[07:23] <Coglike_> i was thinking now that there's nothing on my desktop, i want my rss on there.
[07:23] <ThreeShot> mabye...I think you can set an image from the net directly as wallpaper, but I dunno about an actual web page.
[07:23] <bur[n] er> for rss, you could use gdesklets
[07:24] <Zotnix> Ick
[07:24] <Zotnix> Bit slow.
[07:24] <Coglike_> gdesklets seems like overkill for this
[07:24] <Zotnix> Blam is very nice.
[07:24] <bur[n] er> i know nothing of blam
[07:24] <Coglike_> and they always ass up and eat my memory.
[07:24] <Surphaze> this is really causing a lot of pain, I found this as far as setup for trying to use ndiswrapper https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper the issue is just the linux-image on the cdrom doesn't seem to be enough to build ndiswrapper but because ncurses-devel not available configuring the kernel from kernel.org source is a real pain
[07:24] <Zotnix> Oh, on your desktop
[07:24] <HrdwrBoB> ndwisrapper is in the repositoruy
[07:25] <HrdwrBoB> you shouldn't need to build it
[07:25] <Surphaze> HrdwrBoB, im pretty much a newbie to ubuntu but im not seeing it in synaptic
[07:25] <Surphaze> I only have the cdrom repository
[07:25] <souheil> a ciao all
[07:25] <Coglike_> blam, liferea, gdesklets, they don't really get to the heart of the problem, which is. i'm really good at html and css. and i want to use those skills to make my desktop look pretty.
[07:25] <Surphaze> because I have no internet connection
[07:26] <Surphaze> in ubuntu yet
[07:26] <Coglike_> can i set a browser to use the root window?
[07:26] <ShyGuy91284> Anyone here know what desktop the Ubuntu LiveCD uses?
[07:26] <bur[n] er> sorry Coglike_, i know nothing of it :\
[07:26] <HrdwrBoB> Surphaze: install ndiswrapper-utils and linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[07:26] <HrdwrBoB> like this
[07:26] <trey3> ShyGuy91284, uhh... GNOME?
[07:26] <bur[n] er> ShyGuy91284: gnome
[07:26] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils and linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[07:27] <Coglike_> bur[n] er: yah, but its there all the time anyways.
[07:27] <Kirsch> hey guys, i'm trying to share a folder on this machine, but if somone create's a file, the default group is his, i want it tobe of the group that is of the current folder it resides (and if he create's a folder, it would do it recursivly) any ideas?
[07:27] <ShyGuy91284> K.  Thanks.  I need to do a presentation on Gnome, and a LiveCD is the best way.  Cya.
[07:27] <Coglike_> bur[n] er: even a calendar there would be better than just nothing
[07:27] <bur[n] er> Kirsch: i'm looking for the same thing... you can do it with samba i know... are they putting files there via samba?
[07:28] <bur[n] er> sorry Coglike_
[07:28] <Kirsch> no
[07:28] <wm_eddie> Why isn't the gnome-pilot program working
[07:28] <Surphaze> HrdwrBoB, its not there, package not found
[07:28] <Kirsch> any method, i know it's a chmod command i can run.
[07:29] <Surphaze> HrdwrBoB, I do have linux-restricted-modules
[07:29] <bur[n] er> force group = group  <--- put that in /etc/samba/smb.conf
[07:29] <Surphaze> HrdwrBoB, and I already have it installed
[07:29] <HrdwrBoB> Kirsch: man chmod will tell you
[07:29] <bur[n] er> Kirsch: it's a chown actually... chown -R user:group blah
[07:29] <Kirsch> HrdwrBoB: no it doesn't.
[07:29] <bur[n] er> -R == recursive of course
[07:30] <Kirsch> bur[n] er: no, if u have a directory Kirsch:www and user blah is in www, and he create's a folder in this folder, the permissions will be blah:blah, not blah:www
[07:30] <bur[n] er> Kirsch: if he creates that file through samba and you have a force group = www then it will do it
[07:30] <nico__> t
[07:30] <HrdwrBoB> Kirsch: chmod 2755 dir will do it
[07:30] <trey3> Surphaze, I see 'ndiswrapper-utils' and 'ndiswrapper-source'... makes sure universe and multiverse is activated...
[07:31] <bur[n] er> but i dont' know how to do it if they create it locally or through ftp or scp or whatever, only samba :\
[07:31] <Surphaze> trey3, that requires having the internet working to grab from tho right?
[07:31] <Surphaze> all I have is the base install pretty much
[07:32] <trey3> Surphaze, uhh... yeah, it would...
[07:32] <trey3> Surphaze, but you're online... hold on...
[07:32] <calamari> anyone know if grub uses /boot/initrd* ?
[07:32] <Kirsch> HrdwrBoB: thanks! that's what i wanted.
[07:33] <trey3> Surphaze, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/n/ndiswrapper/   <-- you can put that on disc... and one more... hold on again...
[07:34] <calamari> maybe I should just ask this straight out.. are there any facilities to make a working boot disk in Ubuntu?  I tried mkboot, but the result did not boot up
[07:34] <trey3> Surphaze, nm... says thats where -utils is too... but I don't see it  :/
[07:35] <stuNNed> why does rescue mode mount root partition rw?
[07:36] <Surphaze> trey3, damn would be easy to install if I was on the net, but can't get on the net from there :(
[07:36] <Surphaze> nasty little loop
[07:36] <trey3> stuNNed, kinda pointless editing files (what you would likely do in rescue mode) if they are ro...
[07:36] <trey3> Surphaze, you can download them wherever you are... and use sneaker net to get them to the linux machine...
[07:37] <stuNNed> trey3: something like what redhat does is nice, give the option to chroot in and have rw or not.
[07:37] <Surphaze> trey3, where can I find the debs then?
[07:37] <trey3> Surphaze, I just showed you.
[07:37] <Surphaze> ah sorry
[07:37] <stuNNed> trey3: can't run fsck when rw
[07:38] <Surphaze> trey3, thats just the sources tho, im going to hit the same problem
[07:38] <trey3> stuNNed, fsck is ran on boot generally anyways  :/
[07:38] <trey3> Surphaze, not really... install and read docs...
[07:38] <stuNNed> trey3: can it be forced to run?
[07:38] <Surphaze> ok I'll give it a shot, but not optimistic
[07:39] <trey3> Surphaze, ndiswrapper lets you install windows wireless drivers... you know this correct?
[07:39] <trey3> stuNNed, umm... never tried...
[07:39] <Surphaze> yes
[07:39] <Surphaze> trey3, yes
[07:40] <Surphaze> trey3, googling for my wireless card is supposedly the only way my card will work
[07:40] <trey3> stuNNed, never had issues with filesystems really with Unix...
[07:40] <trey3> Surphaze, yeah... no
[07:40] <Surphaze> trey3, yeah... no?
[07:41] <trey3> Surphaze, they were basically saying "I'm too lazy to tell you" or "I don't really know, I just want to seem smart"...
[07:43] <Surphaze> trey3, you know this even if I haven't told you which card it is?
[07:43] <Surphaze> I mean if I don't need ndiswrapper thats great
[07:43] <Surphaze> but I haven't found anything pointing that way
[07:43] <trey3> Surphaze, I don't even know what wireless card you're using...
[07:43] <trey3> Surphaze, but ndiswrapper will work with any that aren't supported by linux...
[07:44] <Surphaze> right
[07:44] <lyy> i want to choke the packager of mythtv.
[07:44] <trey3> bob2, mythtv help?
[07:45] <Surphaze> trey3: linksys wpc54g I am saying it doesn't seem supported by linux but there are forum posts saying it works in ndiswrapper
[07:45] <lyy> trey3: i think i need to start up and run mysql at least once
[07:45] <Surphaze> trey3, you confused me with the "yeah... no" thing
[07:45] <trey3> Surphaze, I was being sarcastic...
[07:46] <Surphaze> ok
[07:46] <duzchip> Hello guys!
[07:46] <trey3> Surphaze, like I said... they were basically telling you to look it up youself... such comments are why #debian got the reputation it has today...
[07:46] <JoePenguin> hi duzchip
[07:46] <duzchip> I'm up for another 15 hours of idling :P
[07:46] <trey3> duzchip, hey
[07:46] <lyy> trey3: if i compared the time it takes to figure out to record on linux compared to windows, i feel like shooting myself
[07:47] <bob2> trey3: as I said twice, earlier, I've never used it.
[07:47] <Surphaze> trey3, but im saying I looked it up before I asked :)
[07:47] <duzchip> This is probably the nicest channel online. I have never had anyone greeting me before ;P
[07:47] <Surphaze> trey3: looking it up got me this way
[07:47] <trey3> bob2, ahh... I'm sorry... didn't see you say that  :(
[07:47] <duzchip> That's Ubuntu-people for'ya :P
[07:47] <kuru> I would like to gave gaim with encryption
[07:47] <JoePenguin> duzchip: I'm generally a nice person, but even I get annoyed sometimes :)
[07:48] <kuru> I can't seem to be able to install it without breaking the system
[07:48] <duzchip> JoePengui: I guess most people do :P
[07:48] <trey3> kuru, which are you installing?
[07:48] <neighborlee> trey3, and thankfullly why we dont have that reputation ..whew
[07:49] <JoePenguin> duzchip: I was looking at my ifconfig a moment ago and I was suprised to see that Ubuntu had ipv6 configured without me doing anything.
[07:49] <kuru> trey3: gaim-crypt or something
[07:50] <duzchip> JoePenguin: I think that Ubuntu is one of the few distros that's fighting to get IPv6 accepted and used
[07:50] <kuru> trey3, gaim-encryption_1.0.1+2.31-1_i386.deb
[07:50] <duzchip> JoePenguin: IPv6 still aint all developed but I think it should work just fine
[07:51] <trey3> kuru, there is another encryption plugin... tried that?
[07:52] <trey3> kuru, http://gaim-e.sourceforge.net/   <-- stronger encryption...
[07:52] <zenrox> install the dev of gaim then compile the gaim-encription plugin
[07:53] <trey3> kuru, also... look into SILC... gaim has support for this... secure also...
[07:55] <kuru> trey3: that one has that pluging
[07:55] <kuru> trey3: all I want is to jabber using encryption
[07:55] <kuru> trey3: is there an ubuntu package for that?
[07:55] <kuru> that's all there is to it
[07:55] <kuru> I don't care who makes it or how
[07:56] <trey3> kuru, for SILC? grrr... Gaim in Ubuntu doesn't seem to have compiled SILC support in  :/
[07:57] <kuru> trey3: so now when I install any other deb that breaks ubuntu (all it does is report brokeage) I can't install anything else without removing it
[07:58] <kuru> even though it doesn't _really_ break anything.. simply requires a package that isn't there (the package is there with 'ubuntu' affixed to the name whereas it's a debian pacakge so it doesn't have it)
[07:58] <kuru> and so it just sucks
[07:58] <kuru> ubuntu should have the encrypted version
[07:58] <kuru> who uses jabber without encryption anyway?
[07:58] <trey3> kuru, used to come with the encryption plugin.... I think they just don't compile it in?
[07:59] <pertz> Are there any ubuntu fans here who use to be die hard Debian people?
[07:59] <trey3> (or maybe fedora folks just compile it in... dunno..)
[07:59] <trey3> pertz, yeah...
[07:59] <kuru> pertz: people actually use fedora?
[07:59] <Martok> Hey dudes, I have a question.
[07:59] <Martok> LOL, I used Fedora Core.
[08:00] <trey3> kuru, yes... its rather nice actually... but whatever... off subject..
[08:00] <pertz> I've been considering ubantu lately because I don't like running Debian unstable due to the lack of security support, and the stable version just isn't cutting it due to age.
[08:00] <Martok> I thought it was cool until I realized it was just a test bed for Redhat developers to try new stuff.
[08:00] <kuru> pertz: I use ubuntu on my workstation and debian for my servers.
[08:01] <trey3> pertz, most security stuff is already in the packages in sid...
[08:01] <pertz> Still debian on the servers then?
[08:01] <kuru> pertz: and some Gentoo thrown in there.. and a little bit of FreeBSD ;)
[08:01] <Martok> Hey, does anybody know how play 2 sounds at the sametime?
[08:01] <kuru> pertz: everyone's got a different way of seeing things. Depends on your requirements.
[08:01] <trey3> Martok, buy a decent sound card?  ;)
[08:01] <Martok> trey3: No, it works in Windows.
[08:02] <jdz_> Martok: You need to use a sound daemon.  Like ESD :)
[08:02] <Martok> Ok, I'll search for ESD.
[08:02] <Martok> I hope it's easy to configure.
[08:03] <pertz> Well security is a have to, so unstable doesn't quite cut it (even though I've always claimed Debian's "unstable" was as good as anyone else's "stable", but it's getting to the point where I'm having to compile a lot of crap by hand and try and watch security updates myself while running stable. I know they're close to a release, but I anticipate being in the same situation again another 1-2 years from now....
[08:03] <jdz_> Martok: It's part of Gnome, so it should be install and working.  You'll just need to have whichever applications your using output to ESD instead of directly to ALSA or OSS
[08:03] <trey3> jdz_, if he's using Ubuntu (one can assume he is) ... esd is being used by default... and uhh, well - going by his question - its still not working  :/
[08:03] <Martok> Yeah.
[08:03] <Martok> How do I configure it?
[08:03] <kuru> pertz: I think of Ubuntu as 'just another branch of Debian'
[08:03] <kuru> pertz: it has yet to deviate from that
[08:03] <Martok> I guess it doesn't work with my card?
[08:04] <jdz_> Martok: Which applications are you trying to get to play sound at the same time?
[08:04] <kuru> pertz: so, if that's what you're looking for, Ubuntu is right for you.
[08:04] <jdz_> Martok: It should work with any card.  But an application might not be using ESD.
[08:04] <Martok> I want the Gnome sounds to play, but still beable to listen to music in XMMS.
[08:04] <trey3> pertz, seriously, most security updates are just backported from new packages... take into account that the devels use sid in most cases... you think they want security holes?
[08:04] <kuru> pertz: and Debian's unstable is not as good as anyone's stable (unless you're talking MS).. it can get quite messy.
[08:04] <jdz_> Martok: Ah!  Right.  Go into XMMS's output settings.  There should be a drop-down box, select ESD
[08:04] <pertz> Well, what's ubantu's equivalent of dselect? And how good it ubantu's attention to security?
[08:04] <Martok> Oh, thank you.
[08:05] <whiprush> dselect, aptitude, and synaptic are all available
[08:05] <crimsun> pertz: you can use dselect if you wish.
[08:05] <kuru> dselect is crap
[08:05] <trey3> kuru, I ran Debian Unstable for 4 years... rarely a huge issue...
[08:05] <Martok> Output plugin?
[08:05] <crimsun> kuru: ...subjectively. :)
[08:05] <pertz> I've run unstable before too with really good results.
[08:05] <randabis> hey someone see if this works
[08:05] <randabis> http://67.10.177.213/mmpr2.ogg
[08:05] <trey3> pertz, dselect is even being deprecated in Debian in favor of Aptitude... Ubuntu comes with this...
[08:05] <jdz_> Martok: The basic theroy is you can only have one application outputting sound to the card at once (unless it has hardware mixing).  So to get mutiple applications, you need a sound daemon (like ESD) to do software mixing.  If an application tries to output directly to the sound card, it won't work.
[08:06] <trey3> s/this/both/
[08:06] <pertz> Just afraid to run it on a critical production box - I've kept it on the edges.
[08:06] <Martok> Oh, ok.
[08:06] <kuru> trey3: sure.. but not on a server
[08:06] <Martok> So is Gnome outputing directly?
[08:06] <kuru> trey3: that can cause havoc
[08:06] <pertz> Yea, I know, they're phasing dselect :P
[08:06] <kuru> trey3: cause there have been times when it was _very_ unstable
[08:06] <kuru> trey3: broken pacakges, etc.
[08:06] <kuru> trey3: most of the time it's smooth
[08:06] <jdz_> Martok: ESD is outputting directly.  Everything else needs to output to ESD, which does the mixing.
[08:06] <crimsun> hoary has had its share of zaniness as well.
[08:06] <trey3> kuru, apt-listbugs is your friend  :/
[08:07] <kuru> trey3: and you can certainly afford to do that on a workstation (I have always ran it on my workstation)
[08:07] <Martok> Is ESD eSound?
[08:07] <whiprush> yes
[08:07] <kuru> trey3: not enough.. what if you wanted a particular package.. something came up.. whatever.
[08:07] <randabis> :/
[08:07] <trey3> crimsun, only bad issue for me thus far was the menu's... and even that was workable...
[08:07] <kuru> trey3: this is not acceptable on a production level server.
[08:07] <pertz> Ubantu doesn't track all of the packages debian does though right? And I'm guessing if I grabbed the debian version of one I'm suddently going to be looking at a lot of dependancy problems?
[08:08] <kuru> pertz: yes, mostly due to package namings
[08:08] <crimsun> pertz: it's quite possible that you'll run into dependency issues.
[08:08] <Martok> Ok, thanks jdz_, and trey3.
[08:08] <kuru> pertz: so you might want to grab the debian source, modify, re-generate the .deb and install ;)
[08:08] <jdz_> pertz: You can enable Ubuntu's Universe, and get all of Debians packages
[08:08] <kuru> trey3: did you say gaim-e.sf.net ?
[08:08] <jdz_> pertz: Ubuntu doesn't support all of Debian's packages though, only the one's in Ubuntu's main.
[08:08] <trey3> kuru, yeah
[08:09] <kuru> trey3: can't find it
[08:09] <pertz> So how good is their package coverage compared to debian? And does anyone know anything about progress on efforts to compile source packages on the fly to try to fix some of the versioning problems?
[08:09] <kuru> nevermind
[08:09] <trey3> kuru, *shrug* copy and paste from the site  :/
[08:09] <whiprush> pertz: universe is basically the rest of debian compiled for ubuntu.
[08:09] <jdz_> pertz: Everything in Debian is in Ubuntu's universe. :)
[08:09] <jdz_> pertz: Enable universe and you'll be all set.
[08:10] <trey3> jdz_, not utterly true... for instance... no 'alsaconf'...
[08:10] <pertz> So what does universe do? Just a translation between package names or something?
[08:10] <crimsun> (alsaconf was removed for being "mostly useless")
[08:10] <jdz_> trey3: interesting.  I did not know that.
[08:10] <trey3> pertz, Universe = Unsupported Free software...
[08:10] <trey3> pertz, Multiverse = Unsupported Non-Free software
[08:11] <lyy> hehe, this is so cool
[08:11] <lyy> all my programs are run in memory
[08:11] <pertz> Okay, but if it's pulling from debian packages that aren't supported by ubantu, what's going on with the dependancies?
[08:11] <trey3> crimsun, haha... bah... still, its not there... but is in Debian  :/
[08:11] <lyy> i still got 200 megs of ram left to use
[08:11] <Martok> Does Synaptic have all the available packages from the Ubuntu repositories?
[08:12] <trey3> pertz, they are met... just don't expect them to work... basically a frozen sid... so you're back where you started kinda...
[08:12] <pertz> So it pretends they're met without checking?
[08:13] <trey3> pertz, warty = an ~3 month old Sid with patches etc for packages that are supported....
[08:13] <trey3> pertz, no... they are met...
[08:13] <jdz_> pertz: Basicly, Universe is a snapshot of Debian Sid at the time of release, with everything compiled to work with Ubuntu.
[08:13] <pertz> but it's all straight out of frozen (or unstable later on?) without security patches or anything else?
[08:14] <trey3> pertz, think of main contrib and non-free.... if you want something in non-free, it doesn't "pretend" its there if its not enabled... simular response... its still apt-get  :/
[08:15] <pertz> So all of the packages are recompiled, just not checked or something in the universe?
[08:15] <trey3> pertz, Security Updates are _only_ made to the software that is in main and restricted
[08:15] <pertz> Okay.
[08:15] <pertz> What's restricted?
[08:15] <trey3> (restricted = non-free supported... basically hardware drivers etc)
[08:15] <pertz> Ah.
[08:15] <trey3> pertz, knew you would ask  :P
[08:16] <jdz_> Not every package can be supported by Ubuntu directly, because there are so damn many.  That doesn't mean the ones in Universe won't work though.  Infact I've never had proublems with Universe so far.
[08:16] <pertz> So at the end of the day, ubantu is the next step up from running debian frozen (or unstable), but still doesn't quite go all the way to the top?
[08:17] <trey3> pertz, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view  <-- read, and keep in mind concept of main contrib and non-free in Debian...
[08:17] <jdz_> Well, with Ubuntu, your garanteed 6 month releases AND all the packages avabale in Debian.
[08:18] <bob2> well, most of them
[08:18] <trey3> jdz_, thats _never_ a good thing on a server  :/
[08:18] <bob2> and debian main (which gets security support) is a lot bigger than ubuntu's supported suite
[08:19] <jdz_> debian main is also something like 3 years old eh.
[08:19] <trey3> bob2, yes... but its not garenteed that sid security patches are actually in those packages though...
[08:19] <bob2> trey3: sure
[08:19] <bob2> I'm talking about stable.
[08:20] <trey3> bob2, eh... sid packages get the same security stuff... they just don't seperate it out...
[08:21] <calamari> hi
[08:21] <trey3> calamari, hi
[08:21] <bob2> trey3: er, no
[08:21] <bob2> they get seperate uploads
[08:21] <calamari> is there a way I can pause booting so I can read the messages before they scroll off?
[08:21] <pertz> Can ubantu do a text only install or is it married to the graphics gui now?
[08:21] <setite> what is a good thing for a noob to read that tells you all abotu linux?
[08:21] <calamari> I've tried using shift-pgup, but eventually it goes off the scrollback
[08:22] <bob2> pertz: you mean "can the installed system be text-only?"?
[08:22] <trey3> pertz, it only does text still... its debian-installer  :/
[08:22] <setite> this kid doesnt know anything... what DOS is, MBR, etc....
[08:22] <calamari> and also shift-pgup stops working once it gets to the ubuntu login prompt
[08:22] <bob2> setite: I hear o'reilly's "linux in a nutshell" is good
[08:22] <crimsun> setite: ora.com has articles and various books.
[08:22] <trey3> pertz, 'custom' to edit package selection etc...
[08:22] <whiprush> calamari: look in /var/log/dmesg
[08:22] <pertz> Anything linux oriented written by o'reilly tends to be good.
[08:23] <poningru> hey how do I turn on 3dnow and sse in my atholon, for some reason its not enabled
[08:23] <bob2> trey3: no
[08:23] <poningru> anyone?
[08:23] <bob2> poningru: I'm 99% sure it's not possible to disable
[08:24] <trey3> bob2, oh... only person I recognize in #kubuntu :o
[08:24] <crimsun> poningru: look in the flags of /proc/cpuinfo
[08:24] <calamari> is there a way tofind out whether ide disk support is a module or built into the kernel?
[08:24] <bob2> calamari: it's a module in ubuntu kernels
[08:24] <calamari> aha
[08:24] <crimsun> calamari: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK
[08:24] <trey3> calamari, you can look through /boot/config-`uname -r`
[08:24] <poningru> ok
[08:25] <calamari> thats probably why I can't boot from these boot disks then
[08:25] <calamari> wonder whose bright idea that was.. hehe
[08:25] <poningru> oh heh
[08:26] <poningru> it is flagged
[08:26] <poningru> hmm
[08:26] <bob2> the ubuntu disks use an initrd to avoid that
[08:26] <bob2> poningru: why do you think it's disabled?
[08:26] <calamari> the initrd is 4mb .. way too big for a floppy
[08:26] <bob2> then you need a custom kernel
[08:26] <pertz> Does universe pull from more sources than just Debian?
[08:26] <bob2> no
[08:26] <trey3> calamari, default kernels are build to the lowest common denominator... having it built in would probably upset people who don't need it?
[08:26] <bob2> well, "99.99% no"
[08:27] <trey3> calamari, I don't really see why having it as a module would break booting from a bootdisk though  :/
[08:27] <bob2> trey3: some drivers conflict when built in, too
[08:27] <trey3> bob2, that too...
[08:27] <pertz> Okay, didn't think they'd be wiring up anything new there, but that page made it sound like a distinct possibility.
[08:27] <poningru> bob: I dont know, I saw it in some conf file and it wasnt enabled
[08:28] <trey3> pertz, multiverse does... universe is only the rest of Debian though...
[08:28] <pertz> So, how good are the distro sites for ubantu (frequently available, frequently crammed, only issue around release time, always easily accessable, etc.?)
[08:28] <calamari> trey3: dunno either.. but I saw this page: http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2004/09/msg00574.html
[08:29] <calamari> trey3: thats the exact error I get (the bottom one), when I try to boot
[08:29] <calamari> (from the boot disk)
[08:29] <bob2> poningru: what conf file?
[08:30] <Local_man> ubuntu runs badly on a 200 mhz system with 64 mb ram
[08:30] <trey3> calamari, is /boot located on /dev/hda1?
[08:30] <poningru> dont remember
[08:30] <poningru> let me look
[08:30] <calamari> trey3: yes
[08:30] <trey3> calamari, uhh... that error disagrees...
[08:30] <bob2> Local_man: no
[08:30] <pertz> *Ignores the 200mhz 64MB box next to him running Debian...
[08:30] <bob2> Local_man: gnome will run badly on that
[08:30] <poningru> bob2: ah nm it wasnt a conf file
[08:30] <Local_man> isee
[08:30] <poningru> it was the error I got when starting the mplayer
[08:30] <pertz> Of course I hate X too so....
[08:31] <Local_man> ice better?
[08:31] <trey3> calamari, using ext3
[08:31] <trey3> ?
[08:31] <poningru> 3DNow supported but disabled
[08:31] <poningru> 3DNowExt supported but disabled
[08:31] <poningru> CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0
[08:31] <poningru> Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 SSE SSE2
[08:31] <calamari> trey3: ext2
[08:31] <trey3> calamari, shouldn't be issue (although why is a good question..)
[08:31] <calamari> trey3: why what? :)
[08:32] <trey3> calamari, why no journel...
[08:32] <poningru> bob: this is from cpuinfo
[08:32] <poningru> flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mp mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
[08:32] <lyy> i'm having a hard time making mplayer work on ubuntu
[08:32] <calamari> trey3: I was afraid to use a journaling fs because I remember hearing lots of reports of file corruptions from them
[08:32] <poningru> yeah me too
[08:32] <poningru> lyy
[08:32] <calamari> trey3: maybe they are better now.. hehe
[08:32] <lyy> poningru: to tell you the truth, all i care about is, music and movies
[08:32] <Local_man> iprefer fs myself..
[08:33] <poningru> calamari: I heard reiser4 has dealt with those now
[08:33] <crimsun> lyy: what cpu do you have, and which mplayer- package do you have installed?
[08:33] <pertz> ext3 has been good to me so far and I've been running it on several different boxes for a while now.
[08:33] <bob2> poningru: so your mplayer was poorly compiled
[08:33] <bob2> poningru: install mplayer-k7
[08:33] <lyy> crimsun: i have an p3 intel pent
[08:33] <poningru> ah ok
[08:33] <crimsun> lyy: you need mplayer-686
[08:33] <poningru> let me try again
[08:33] <lyy> crimsun: ok
[08:33] <pertz> So, how good are the distro sites for ubantu (frequently available, frequently crammed, only issue around release time, always easily accessable, etc.?)
[08:33] <trey3> calamari, thats kinda the point of a journel... to try to fix file curruption...
[08:34] <Local_man> i need to format a small hard drive... would like 2 partitions plus a hard drive... should i make the root partitipon larg or /usr?
[08:34] <lyy> crimsun: what repo will give that?
[08:34] <crimsun> lyy: for warty or hoary?
[08:35] <trey3> lyy, marillats w32codecs (guilty party most of the time when people say mplayer isn't working) is b0rked right now  :/
[08:35] <Local_man> i mean swap partition.. not hard drive
[08:35] <lyy> i don't know
[08:35] <calamari> trey3: anyhow.. I know /boot is on /dev/hda1 because everything is on /dev/hda1, and swap is /dev/hda2 :)
[08:35] <bob2> crimsun: -686 is not going to have 3dnow support
[08:35] <crimsun> bob2: right, but lyy has a pentium 3
[08:35] <lyy> i'll try anything
[08:35] <trey3> calamari, hmm... then you have bigger issues  :/
[08:35] <calamari> trey3: not really.. boots fine from the hard drive
[08:35] <lyy> soon i'll have to try rm -rf /
[08:36] <randabis> you COULD just get w32codecs from the mplayer site...you just have to put them in /usr/lib/win32/
[08:36] <lyy> ifall else fails
[08:36] <topyli> when a new user logs into gnome, he gets notified about .xmodmap but not stuff like .xinitrc or .xsession :(
[08:36] <crimsun> lyy: what does /etc/issue tell you regarding the ubuntu version?
[08:36] <calamari> sad to hear that I have to do a kernel recompile to get a decent boot disk, though
[08:36] <bob2> crimsun: erk, sorry
[08:36] <trey3> calamari, uhh... replace menu.lst on floppy with menu.lst on hd?
[08:36] <lyy> Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[08:36] <lyy> Illegal instruction
[08:36] <pertz> Anyway, I've got a new box coming in in a few days that isn't critical, I think I'll take ubantu for a spin and see where it takes me.
[08:37] <crimsun> lyy: dpkg -l mplayer-\*|grep ^ii
[08:37] <calamari> trey3: huh?
[08:37] <poningru> I dont have to reboot my comp for reinstallation do I?
[08:37] <ficusplanet> Does anyone know if the hal/cups integration from fedora will make it into hoary?
[08:37] <jdub> ficusplanet: it won't
[08:37] <trey3> calamari, what don't you understand?
[08:37] <jdub> ficusplanet: hopefully next release
[08:38] <calamari> trey3: what does this line mean "calamari, uhh... replace menu.lst on floppy with menu.lst on hd?"
[08:38] <lyy> crimsun: ii  mplayer-custom 1.0-pre5-0.6ub The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux
[08:38] <calamari> trey3: or are you referring to a grub boot disk?
[08:39] <ficusplanet> jdub, OK. Thanks.  Also along the lines of hardware "just working," are you guys changing netapplet at all?
[08:39] <trey3> calamari, umm... that is a grub error... you said thats the issue... so bootdisk has grub  :/
[08:39] <crimsun> lyy: that's why you're getting an illegal instruction error. You need to remove 'mplayer-custom' and install 'mplayer-686'.
[08:39] <Local_man> i got the live CD stuck in the floppy drive.. but it still sticks out far enough to use as a cup holder.. question is.. will it hold a full 20 oz cappacino?
[08:39] <jdub> ficusplanet: netapplet, yes. not networkmanager.
[08:39] <trey3> which would make sense... as most linux bootdisks these days have grub...
[08:39] <lyy> crimsun: ok. know where i can get mplayer-686 aside from googling for it?
[08:39] <calamari> trey3: I made the boot disk myself using syslinux
[08:39] <ficusplanet> jdub, Yeah, I heard of that decision.  Will netapplet be made into an actual applet and cleaned up, etc., though?
[08:40] <crimsun> lyy: the same place you got 'mplayer-custom'.
[08:40] <lyy> crimsun: i used synaptic
[08:40] <jdub> ficusplanet: most likely, yes.
[08:40] <crimsun> lyy: (presuming you used debian-marillat and sh.nu)
[08:40] <lyy> i didn't see a mplayer-686 there
[08:40] <poningru> gah
[08:40] <crimsun> lyy: see /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:40] <lyy> ok
[08:40] <poningru> bob: this is the error I still get
[08:40] <poningru> CPU: Advanced Micro Devices Athlon MP/XP Thoroughbred 1060 MHz (Family: 6, Stepping: 1)
[08:40] <poningru> Detected cache-line size is 64 bytes
[08:40] <poningru> 3DNow supported but disabled
[08:40] <poningru> 3DNowExt supported but disabled
[08:40] <poningru> CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0
[08:40] <poningru> Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 SSE SSE2
[08:40] <poningru> Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[08:40] <poningru> Illegal instruction
[08:41] <poningru> sorry for the flood guys
[08:41] <lyy> poningru: that's what i got too
[08:41] <ficusplanet> jdub, Excellent.  Thanks a lot.  Ubuntu has been wonderful so far.
[08:41] <lyy> if you figure it
[08:41] <crimsun> poningru: same thing. You need 'mplayer-k7', not 'mplayer-custom'.
[08:41] <lyy> poningru: if you figure it out let me know
[08:41] <Local_man> does ubuntu support duron processors?
[08:41] <HrdwrBoB> Local_man: yes
[08:41] <poningru> yeah but if I try to get mplayer-k7
[08:41] <poningru> it doesnt let me install it through the synaptic package manager
[08:42] <poningru> sigh let me try again
[08:42] <trey3> crimsun, -k7 is deprecated... just tell them -k6 ...
[08:42] <crimsun> lyy: / poningru: please read /wiki/RestrictedFormats and pay particular attention to the section regarding debian-marillat's repo being updated.
[08:42] <neighborlee> k gents cross fingers and toe fo rme..im almost done apt-get upgrading into hoary..
[08:42] <crimsun> trey3: 10-4
[08:43] <Local_man> i need to use a 2.4 kernel to use my winmodem.. can i use one on Warty?
[08:43] <poningru> oh okay
[08:43] <poningru> thank you crimsun
[08:43] <poningru> didnt see that
[08:43] <trey3> still says depends -k6 here?
[08:43] <jdz_> Local_man: No, ubuntu uses 2.6 kernels
[08:44] <Local_man> ok ty
[08:44] <randabis> you can use 2.4 kernels with it I thought...
[08:44] <Local_man> debian kernels?
[08:44] <lyy> so howdo i remove a package?
[08:44] <jdz_> randabis: from what I understand, that would break a lot of stuff.  for example, udev.
[08:44] <lyy> or how do i verify that a package was removed?
[08:45] <jdz_> lyy: open up Synaptic (the graphical package manager) and search for it :D
[08:45] <Macbeth> I am having a problem configuring network settings for ubuntu on my inspiron 8000 laptop. If anyone's not busy, perhaps they could help an ubunu newbie :)
[08:46] <randabis> hmm
[08:47] <Local_man> does ubuntu install wvdial?
[08:47] <trey3> Local_man, yes
[08:47] <trey3> Local_man, ps... I see 2.4 kernels... unsupported though...
[08:48] <Local_man> oh  ok great thank you
[08:48] <jdz_> trey3: I think they are left over from debian, and again, it will break a lot of stuff.  be warned.
[08:49] <trey3> jdz_, yes... but its what he asked for  :/
[08:49] <Local_man> i'll try it
[08:49] <Macbeth> he wants to break stuff.
[08:49] <trey3> (and mainly... g-v-m will be broken... thats about it...
[08:50] <duncanm> hello
[08:50] <duncanm> when i apt-get dist-upgrade, i keep on seeing
[08:50] <duncanm> Setting up python2.4-xml (0.8.4-1ubuntu1) ...
[08:50] <duncanm> update-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/xmlproc_parse corrupt: missing newline after manflag
[08:50] <duncanm> dpkg: error processing python2.4-xml (--configure):
[08:50] <duncanm>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[08:50] <duncanm> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of python-xml:
[08:50] <duncanm> how do i deal with that?
[08:50] <duncanm>  python-xml depends on python2.4-xml (>= 0.8.4-1ubuntu1); however:
[08:51] <duncanm>   Package python2.4-xml is not configured yet.
[08:52] <bob2> sure your disk is ok?
[08:52] <duncanm> yeah
[08:52] <duncanm> why is that a problem?
[08:52] <duncanm> how can i trigger it to redownload?
[08:52] <duncanm> i was low on disk earlier, but i installed a new disk, so i'm good now
[08:53] <trey3> duncanm, if you have a spare disc around... I'd recommend downloading an hoary image...
[08:54] <duncanm> hrm
[08:54] <duncanm> well
[08:54] <bob2> trey3: how would that help?
[08:54] <duncanm> i have it running hoary now
[08:54] <trey3> duncanm, python transition is kinda painful...
[08:54] <bob2> please don't advise people to do that sort of thing
[08:54] <Local_man> can two versions of linux share partitions?
[08:54] <bob2> Local_man: for swap and home, yes
[08:54] <trey3> Local_man, yes
[08:54] <bob2> Local_man: not for /, tho
[08:54] <neighborlee> hey guys..i'm going to hoary..was it okay that I just did 'upgrade' or should I have done dist-upgrade ????
[08:54] <bob2> duncanm: reinstall whatever package the corrupt file is from
[08:54] <stuNNed> anyone use mutt?
[08:54] <trey3> neighborlee, dist-upgrade
[08:54] <bob2> neighborlee: things won't get upgraded with upgrade
[08:54] <duncanm> bob2: apt-get reinstall <foo> ?
[08:54] <Local_man> i see.. because i have mandrake running a 2.4 kernel
[08:54] <bob2> stuNNed: it's best to ask specific questions...
[08:55] <trey3> duncanm, apt-get install --reinstall
[08:55] <duncanm> sudo apt-get -f --reinstall install  python2.4-xml
[08:55] <stuNNed> bob2: sorry, how to invoke the pager in mutt?
[08:55] <duncanm> i tried that
[08:55] <bob2> duncanm: right
[08:55] <bob2> duncanm: it won't install at all?
[08:55] <neighborlee> bob2: i take it im safe to do dist-upgrade then after having done regular upgrade ? ;(
[08:55] <lyy> crimsun: thanks for the link. i'm trying to install now
[08:55] <bob2> neighborlee: yes
[08:55] <neighborlee> k thx
[08:55] <bob2> neighborlee: as safe as either by themselves are?
[08:55] <bob2> stuNNed: how do you mean?
[08:55] <neighborlee> heh
[08:56] <duncanm> bob2: well, the problem is with, python-xml python2.3-xml python2.4-xml
[08:56] <lyy> poningru: how's it going ? you got mplayer-686 installed?
[08:56] <duncanm> bob2: so maybe i need to do it in some special order
[08:56] <duncanm> it's probably deprecated one over another, isn't it?
[08:56] <trey3> duncanm, dpkg -P python2.3-xml and try again...
[08:56] <duncanm> i can't get it to redownload, though
[08:56] <Local_man> ok  how would you partition a 4 gig hd for running both ubuntu and mandrake?
[08:57] <duncanm> dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of python2.3-xml:
[08:57] <duncanm>  python2.3-reportlab depends on python2.3-xml.
[08:57] <duncanm> dpkg: error processing python2.3-xml (--purge):
[08:57] <duncanm>  dependency problems - not removing
[08:57] <stuNNed> bob2: using abook i have in .muttrc: macro pager A |'abook --add-email'\n  ..but i don't know how to access it
[08:57] <trey3> duncanm, get rid of all the python2.3 crap...
[08:57] <bob2> duncanm: you'll need to pass --force-depends to it
[08:57] <bob2> trey3: dude, stop giving out terrible advice
[08:57] <stuNNed> bob2: or use it rather
[08:57] <trey3> bob2, python2.3 is gone from hoary...
[08:57] <duncanm> bob2: so, i'll listen to you,
[08:57] <trey3> bob2, he is using hoary...
[08:58] <duncanm> bob2: force-depends goes where?
[08:58] <bob2> trey3: er, look again
[08:58] <bob2> duncanm: dpkg -P --force-depends python2.4-xml
[08:59] <bob2> stuNNed: hit A and it will run that command, piping the message to it
[08:59] <stuNNed> bob2: it says it's not bound
[08:59] <duncanm> Removing python2.4-xml ...
[08:59] <duncanm> update-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/xmlproc_parse corrupt: missing newline after manflag
[08:59] <trey3> dpkg -l | grep 'python2.3'  <-- returns nothing...
[08:59] <duncanm> nope
[08:59] <duncanm> it's the same error
[08:59] <stuNNed> bob2: Key is not bound.  Press '?' for help.
[08:59] <trey3> bob2, without ' 's I get only 2.4 stuff...
[09:00] <trey3> bob2, fresh hoary install...
[09:00] <Local_man> does gnome help have a glossary?
[09:01] <stuNNed> bob2: buwhahahahah figured it out :D
[09:01] <duncanm> Local_man: what do you want to know about GNOME?
[09:01] <bob2> stuNNed: you almost certainly mean: macro pager A '| blah'
[09:01] <bob2> trey3: well, I don't know what you did, but python2.3 is most certainly in hoary at the moment
[09:01] <duncanm> bob2: so, what can i do to fix this?
[09:02] <trey3> bob2, its not installed by default from the daily images...
[09:02] <duncanm> hrm
[09:02] <bob2> trey3: indeed
[09:02] <duncanm> looks like it's solved now
[09:02] <duncanm> woohoo
[09:02] <duncanm> bob2: i have one more question
[09:02] <trey3> bob2, hence saying he should remove... easiest way to resolve his issue...
[09:02] <duncanm> i'm still running the 2.6.8 kernel
[09:02] <jdz_> stuNNed: It looks like Dashboard supports irssi, so I think beagle would too :D
[09:03] <trey3> bob2, sorry if thats not the best option... but certainly not worst possible...
[09:03] <duncanm> bob2: i have 2.6.10 installed, but when i boot, i think it's not loading the modules, so it couldn't see my XFS root partition
[09:03] <bob2> trey3: how would that resolve his issue?
[09:03] <bob2> duncanm: you're using the ubuntu kernel?
[09:03] <duncanm> bob2: yes
[09:03] <trey3> bob2, python2.3 stuff was conflicting from what I read?
[09:03] <bob2> trey3: I didn't see that anywhere
[09:03] <bob2> duncanm: they use initrds, if your bootloader isn't configured to use it, you won't be able to boot one at all
[09:04] <bob2> duncanm: are you using the defaulr grub config?
[09:04] <duncanm> bob2: i have always been using the ubuntu kernels, though
[09:04] <duncanm> yeah
[09:04] <duncanm> i haven't changed a thing
[09:04] <duncanm> i dunno how to use debian at all, so i just slapped it on the machine at home and didn't really do much to it
[09:04] <trey3> bob2, ahh... I think that was just him guessing... imma shut up now
[09:04] <duncanm> occasionally, i run apt-get upgrade, that's it...
[09:05] <trey3> bob2, 'duncanm bob2: well, the problem is with, python-xml python2.3-xml python2.4-xml'   :/
[09:05] <trey3> I just saw the last part  :/
[09:05] <trey3> sorry
[09:05] <bob2> duncanm: hrm.  it should work.
[09:05] <duncanm> i thought so
[09:06] <duncanm> is there a way to reconfigure the kernel package?
[09:06] <gnuyen> hi
[09:06] <gnuyen> i installed gstreamer-0.8-mad
[09:06] <trey3> duncanm, sure... thats almost certainly not what you actually want to do though...
[09:06] <gnuyen> and rhythm box still doesn't show my mp3s
[09:06] <bob2> duncanm: there's nothing to reconfigure, really
[09:06] <duncanm> i remember it asking me some questions
[09:06] <duncanm> i didn't pay much attention
[09:06] <gnuyen> is there something else i have to do?
[09:07] <trey3> gnuyen, that should be it...
[09:07] <duncanm> something to do with the directory already being there, etc
[09:07] <duncanm> i have both the normal kernel installed as well as the SMB one
[09:07] <duncanm> SMP
[09:07] <gnuyen> hmm
[09:07] <gnuyen> i guess i'll keep lookin
[09:09] <duncanm> bob2: i'm thinking of just triggering a redownload/reinstall, maybe the last installation was borked
[09:09] <duncanm> i was low on disk then
[09:10] <lyy> how do i manually install without synaptic?
[09:10] <lyy> from the cache
[09:11] <trey3> lyy, you mean apt-get? or synaptic? or dpkg -i?
[09:11] <duncanm> thanks guy
[09:11] <duncanm> guys
[09:11] <trey3> lyy, 'apt-get install pkg' 'synaptic install pkg' and 'dpkg -i pkg'
[09:11] <lyy> i gues dpkg -i
[09:12] <trey3> uhh... s/synaptic/aptitude/
[09:12] <trey3> haha
[09:12] <lyy> is there a forceful install?
[09:13] <trey3> lyy, dpkg --force-help
[09:13] <poningru> yeah because when you attempt to instal mplayer-k6
[09:13] <poningru> it says there arent .... libs
[09:13] <poningru> but I know I have those libs
[09:16] <trey3> poningru, you using testing or unstable from marillat? what version of hoary?
[09:16] <trey3> s/hoary/ubuntu/
[09:17] <poningru> um
[09:17] <lyy> there, got that crazy binary in there
[09:17] <poningru> let me check
[09:17] <lyy> hehe
[09:17] <lyy> do it with force poningru
[09:17] <lyy> who cares if the system is unstable
[09:17] <trey3> lyy, good job  :)
[09:17] <lyy> it's crap anyway
[09:17] <lyy> i'm here to learn
[09:17] <poningru> um how do I check?
[09:17] <trey3> lyy, >.<
[09:17] <lyy> so best way to learn is to use it without worries
[09:18] <trey3> poningru, haha... you just took it from the faqs?
[09:18] <lyy> poningru: did you get the mplayer working yet?
[09:18] <poningru> no
[09:18] <lyy> i got it working
[09:18] <lyy> ok, goto /etc/apt/
[09:18] <lyy> open up yoru sources.list and add in these lines
[09:19] <lyy> poningru: actually 2 lines
[09:19] <lyy> deb http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./
[09:19] <lyy> deb http://apt.cerkinfo.be/ unstable main contrib non-free
[09:19] <lyy> then as root, type apt-get update
[09:19] <lyy> and then run your synaptic and search for mplayer
[09:19] <poningru> trey: 2.4?
[09:19] <poningru> err nm
[09:19] <lyy> remove all mplayer listings you find completely
[09:19] <trey3> lyy, Crimsun's packages contain plugins?
[09:20] <lyy> and then install the mplayer-686
[09:20] <lyy> poningru: and then it will work
[09:20] <trey3> eh... actually can't... plugins are like 10megs... those are all barely above 3  :/
[09:20] <poningru> hmm
[09:21] <lyy> trey3: works for me. i can watch my movies now
[09:22] <poningru> trey: here we go 4.1
[09:22] <trey3> lyy, hmm... w32codecs is in cerk... k...
[09:22] <poningru> lyy let me try those
[09:22] <lyy> trey3: cerk?
[09:22] <lyy> never heard of cerk
[09:23] <trey3> lyy, grrr... cerkinfo... look at the url  :/
[09:23] <poningru> lyy your second url
[09:23] <poningru> that is the cerk repository
[09:23] <lyy> poningru: oh
[09:26] <lyy> poningru: hmm..it doesn't player some files
[09:26] <michael25> anyone able to help me?
[09:26] <michael25> I just installed for the first time and I have display problems
[09:27] <trey3> crimsun, why does mplayer-nogui depend xmms?  :(
[09:27] <lyy> mpgs are ok
[09:27] <lyy> i'm not sure if wmv works
[09:29] <poningru> lyy: all you had to do was download win32 codecs
[09:29] <poningru> nvm
[09:29] <poningru> let me try it your way
[09:31] <lyy> poningru: thatdoesn't work
[09:31] <lyy> poningru: you have to compile the codecs into it
[09:31] <spockster> need help with ma111 wireless usb adapter  anyone?
[09:31] <lyy> poningru: however xine works that way
[09:33] <lyy> good night guys
[09:34] <poningru> michael: whats the prob?
[09:41] <crimsun> trey3: xmms plugin support, I presume. Would you rather they be disabled? If so, let me know, because the same should be applied to the packages in 'hoary/multiverse'.
[09:52] <knghtbrd> crimsun: why would one need to depend on XMMS if one provides a plugin for it?
[09:53] <crimsun> knghtbrd: Build-Depends on xmms-dev.
[09:53] <knghtbrd> that's fine
[09:53] <knghtbrd> I was talking runtime
[09:54] <knghtbrd> if trey wasn't, ...
[09:54] <crimsun> I'll look at it later.
[09:54] <crimsun> it's a straight port from hoary/multiverse. I only tweaked what was necessary to make it build against Warty's packages.
[10:07] <spiral> hi
[10:08] <MainVoid> it.... is... quiiiiiiet here today.....
[10:09] <HrdwrBoB> MainVoid: it ebbs and flows
[10:09] <spiral> MainVoid: maybe are they working ?
[10:09] <Agrajag> quiet, you'll wake the sleeping Cthulhu in the corner
[10:09] <MainVoid> LOL
[10:10] <MainVoid> spiral: work? what's that? ;)
[10:11] <spiral> MainVoid: dunno :-p
[10:12] <spiral> hmmm... anyone here know if ppracer is to be integrated in hoary ?
[10:17] <carambol> is realplayer10 working in hoary?
[10:17] <carambol> i dont get sound (bbc.com)
[10:23] <sangriag> I posted a bug and a problem at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=54708#post54708
[10:24] <sangriag> Does someone know how to handle the situation?
[10:27] <HrdwrBoB> hangon
[10:27] <HrdwrBoB> readingit
[10:27] <MainVoid> sangriag: u have *16* partitions??
[10:27] <sangriag> yes
[10:27] <HrdwrBoB> I would recommend against that :)
[10:27] <MainVoid> sangriag: right.. so my first question then is, can u get me output from mount from both FC1 and ubuntu64?
[10:27] <HrdwrBoB> I stick to one partition per OS preferably
[10:27] <MainVoid> HrdwrBoB: so would I.. ;)
[10:28] <sangriag> yes
[10:28] <carambol> is realplayer10 working with Hoary?
[10:28] <HrdwrBoB> and I think ubuntu uses a different default uid to fc
[10:29] <MainVoid> sangriag: it'd be interesting to see which partition gets mounted in FC1 for /home and respectively in U64..
[10:29] <sangriag> Hrdwrbob and mainvoid, I used to do the same but I got into two accidents in the past while compiling when I was with a single partition. There was no space and everything garbled
[10:29] <sangriag> :-(
[10:29] <sangriag> Okay
[10:29] <sangriag> You can get the shared partition and ubuntu64 at the above URL
[10:30] <MainVoid> sangriag: well, that tells me how you *wanted* it to be.. ;) Not how it ended up being.. ;)
[10:30] <MainVoid> sangriag: just wanna confirm how things stand..
[10:31] <sangriag> and about FC1 I mounted /boot to /dev/hda3, / to /hda9, /var to /hda12, /usr to /hdb15
[10:32] <sangriag> And the /swap, /tmp and /home are shared
[10:32] <MainVoid> sangriag: there's, like HrdwrBoB pointed out, another issue to remember as well... UID's ...
[10:32] <MainVoid> sangriag: the same users would have to have the same UID's and GID's in both distro's..
[10:33] <MainVoid> sangriag: or you'd run into permissions issues...
[10:33] <sangriag> But the problem is with X now
[10:33] <sangriag> not default IDs
[10:33] <MainVoid> sangriag: that is however another thing to think of and not primary at the moment..
[10:33] <sangriag> else I can link the /home to somewhere else?
[10:33] <sangriag> Since it is Debian based, it was doing fine earlier
[10:34] <sangriag> with Debian, I meant
[10:34] <Ng> 16 partitions for 3 distros! :o
[10:35] <sangriag> Yea
[10:35] <Ng> that's quite an interesting test for the installer ;)
[10:35] <MainVoid> sangriag: I'd probably only share the swap partition to be quite honest with you....
[10:35] <MainVoid> Ng: just consider the implications it would give having differing UID's and GID's.. ;)
[10:36] <Ng> MainVoid: that's not too hard to work around, but yeah
[10:36] <sangriag> But the only way to share your personal data is to share the /home also so that you do not have to reenter your personal information each time you change distro and save space too
[10:36] <spiral> isn't it possible for him to change uids & gids in order for them to match between distros ?
[10:36] <Ng> spiral: yes
[10:36] <Ng> I have a shared /home
[10:36] <spiral> Ng: :-)
[10:37] <MainVoid> So, how to solve this one then?
[10:37] <sangriag> First problem is caused by the messy installer which whined me for two days and I forcefully installed and no X at the end (it is not only my single case, I read other threads also).
[10:37] <MainVoid> sangriag: does X report any errors to it's error log?
[10:38] <sangriag> none.
[10:38] <MainVoid> sangriag: output to screen?
[10:38] <sangriag> even startx says no such commands available
[10:38] <sangriag> none
[10:39] <Ng> do you have the ubuntu-desktop package installed?
[10:39] <sangriag> I installed X and configure it manually as I didn't see any xserver installed
[10:39] <Ng> that ought to depend on enough stuff to give you a complete X install
[10:39] <Ng> startx is in xbase-clients
[10:39] <MainVoid> yeah, sure sounds like u missed a few packages perhaps...
[10:39] <sangriag> does ubuntu have a different command to start X?
[10:40] <Ng> normally it starts X with gdm
[10:40] <sangriag> meaning the installer is messy
[10:40] <MainVoid> it would be very interesting to see if there was any logfiles saved from the installer...
[10:40] <sangriag> gdm is also not there
[10:40] <Ng> install ubuntu-desktop
[10:41] <sangriag> wait, let me check
[10:41] <MainVoid> sangriag: out of interest, can u `ls -ltr /usr/X11R6/bin/startx` ??
[10:41] <Ng> sangriag: you should post a bug about the installer issue(s) to the ubuntu bugzilla - the forum is unofficial, so it won't be seen by the developers. well, it might be, but bugzilla is the correct place for bug reports :)
[10:42] <Ng> MainVoid: it kinda seems that way, although it should be able to handle an arbitrary number fine
[10:42] <MainVoid> Ng: yeah, I'm thinking it is something along those lines..
[10:43] <MainVoid> Ng: I tend to only have primary partitions and max 4 of those on x86..
[10:43] <MainVoid> Ng: since I have seen very odd things happen otherwise..
[10:43] <MainVoid> Ng: it *should* work, but should ad does r 2 different things, I'm afraid.. ;)
[10:44] <sangriag> Ng I wrote directly to the developers and they said they are not using amd64 ;-)
[10:44] <sangriag> Mainvoid no startx in the directory
[10:44] <Ng> I got errors from the installer when I told it to mount my existing /home, but it wasn't the error sangriag got and ignoring it worked fine ;)
[10:44] <Ng> sangriag: they do, you need to report the bug in the bugzilla and mark it for the amd64 platform
[10:44] <Ng> I have a number of bugs in there myrself :)
[10:45] <Ng> and if you search for amd64 in the bugzilla you'll see there are plenty
[10:45] <MainVoid> sangriag: thought it may not be, was just curious.... sounds like u r missing packages then..
[10:46] <sangriag> what is the URL of the ubuntu bugzilla?
[10:47] <pvh> Does ubuntu ship with a repartitioning tool?
[10:47] <Ng> there's parted, which is fairly good
[10:47] <sangriag> pvh a hopeless one.
[10:47] <Ng> sangriag: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[10:48] <Ng> parted isn't hopeless, the installer partition handling tool just isn't that great
[10:48] <pvh> what should i install then? i'd prefer something nice and graphical which installs into my "computer" menu
[10:48] <Ng> parted isn't graphical, although there is qtparted in universe, which is the KDE frontend
[10:49] <sangriag> do fdisk
[10:49] <Ng> for some reason gparted doesn't seem to be there
[10:49] <Ng> fdisk isn't a repartitioner
[10:50] <pvh> i have already freed the space, in this case, but i would like a nice tool which can resize partitions and the like.
[10:50] <Ng> pvh: as far as I know parted or qtparted are your only option, but there might be another one hiding in there somewhere ;)
[10:50] <sangriag> Ng: thanks, when I try to install ubuntu-desktop it just asks to insert the warty CD and when installed it said failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com.ubuntu/.....<packagenames> and at the end Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing
[10:51] <pvh> Ng: Thanks.
[10:51] <MainVoid> sangriag: from that URL, it seems ur sources.list may be screwed, just slightly....
[10:51] <Ng> sangriag: are you using apt-get or synaptic atm? If you're using apt-get do an "apt-get update" and if you're using Synaptic click the Reload button, you probably just need new package listings
[10:51] <sangriag> pvh, go for qtpated then
[10:51] <MainVoid> sangriag: that last ubuntu should be after the /
[10:53] <sangriag> apt-get Ng
[10:53] <pvh> Ng: Do I need to worry about umounting my hda here?
[10:54] <IMAlbert> hmm
[10:54] <Ng> pvh: you certainly don't want to be moving/resizing partitions that you have mounted
[10:54] <pvh> This is just free space.
[10:54] <Ng> that's ok, so long as you don't change the partitions that are in use
[10:55] <MainVoid> pvh: if u r not using those mount points, unmount them...
[10:55] <IMAlbert> I have a related concern.
[10:55] <MainVoid> pvh: if u do change a part u r using, u may loose data, in worst case...
[10:56] <pvh> Now, I don't mean to rag on qtparted, but it's really, really stupid to allow the user to do something that can destroy the partition they're using.
[10:56] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: what is ur concern?
[10:56] <sangriag> Ng, apt-get update gives the similar temporary error with no such files or directory and "Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead"
[10:56] <MainVoid> pvh: loose data is my std disclaimer.. I'm overly cautious..
[10:57] <pvh> I mean, why not just prompt the user with "This partition must be unmounted before committing."
[10:57] <Ng> pvh: to be fair, qtparted isn't in the main section of ubuntu, it's in universe, which means it's not officially an ubuntu supported package. I'm sure that in hoary or the one after they'll have a nice gparted interface with safe warnings and stuff
[10:57] <Ng> sangriag: /msg me your /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:57] <pvh> Ng: It's no insult towards ubuntu.
[10:57] <pvh> Ng: It's just an example of poor software engineering.
[10:58] <pvh> Ng: One of the first laws of user interface design is don't let people walk off cliffs.
[10:58] <pvh> Ng: Right?
[10:58] <Ng> pvh: indeed
[10:58] <MainVoid> pvh: create a bug at their site then for this.. ;)
[10:58] <pvh> Ng: By the way, your alias rocks YT's world.
[10:58] <Ng> pvh: nice :D
[10:58] <MainVoid> pvh: I do agree with u there as well...
[10:58] <pvh> Ng: Good idea. I'm on it.
[10:58] <Ng> pvh: not many people get the reference ;)
[10:59] <MainVoid> pvh: UI design is something most developers don't know enough about..
[10:59] <IMAlbert> If your install is at the middle/end of the disk, can you go back and remove/resize partitions at the beginning of the disk without the who partition table collapsing?
[10:59] <pvh> MainVoid: Ignorance is no defense!
[10:59] <pvh> :P
[10:59] <MainVoid> LOL
[10:59] <sangriag> Ng it was a default one with http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu and httoP://security.ubunut.com/ubuntu
[10:59] <pvh> I mean, it's one thing to delete without asking.
[10:59] <pvh> The best part was the error message it through while it was working:
[11:00] <pvh> Error: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted!  You should e2fsck.  Modifying an unclean filesystem could cause severe corruption.
[11:00] <Ng> IMAlbert: if you have a partitioning tool to do it, yes. ubuntu doesn't currently have a simple, graphical one though
[11:00] <IMAlbert> whole
[11:00] <pvh> I mean... Come on. Either be sure you aren't destroying the data, or don't do it!
[11:00] <Ng> sangriag: can you actually paste it to me? what you just wrote there has at least two typos in it ;)
[11:00] <pvh> Anyway, sorry about hte rant.
[11:00] <pvh> Thanks for the heads up.
[11:00] <MainVoid> pvh: yup, totally agree there with you..
[11:01] <pvh> Another novice question: How do I assign this partition a mountpoint in ubuntu?
[11:01] <F4rm> Does anyone know how to setup an openvpn client?  I was given a .key .csr and client.conf file by our network admin
[11:01] <MainVoid> pvh: man fstab
[11:01] <F4rm> I have no clue how to set this up
[11:01] <sangriag> I am using a different computer than the one in which there is ubuntu64
[11:01] <b_e_n_z> F4rm, http://openvpn.sf.net
[11:01] <pvh> MainVoid: Thanks. I figured it would probably be fstab.
[11:02] <sangriag> Is there a pastebot, Ng?
[11:02] <MainVoid> pvh: u can prob copy an existing line, and change the obvious bits, and most likely it'll work..
[11:02] <F4rm> b_e_n_z, I'm clueless I've tried figuring it out from that page
[11:02] <MainVoid> pvh: unless u wanna do something fancy.. ;)
[11:02] <MainVoid> pvh: it is fairly straight forward tho..
[11:03] <pvh> MainVoid: and applying the changes?
[11:03] <Ng> sangriag: you should be able to use "/query Ng" to get a window just to me and paste it there, or you could use http://pastebin.ca
[11:03] <MainVoid> pvh: mount <newly created mount point>
[11:04] <MainVoid> pvh: u do need to create the mount point first too.. i.e. create a dir where u want to mount the new part.
[11:04] <pvh> MainVoid: Got that already, but thanks.
[11:04] <MainVoid> pvh: kewl, half way there then.. ;)
[11:04] <MunDy`> my Ubuntu doesn't work =(
[11:04] <pvh> MainVoid: I think the biggest weakness of Linux is that it's almost impossible to figure out.
[11:04] <MainVoid> lol
[11:04] <sangriag> Ng, I am using gaim ;-)
[11:04] <sangriag> not xchat right now
[11:05] <pvh> MainVoid: And by that I mean that you can't just go in and start looking for what you need on your system.
[11:05] <MainVoid> pvh: nah, it's biggest weakness is that there is soooo much documentation, and not enough guidance..
[11:05] <sangriag> I will paste the enabled servers in pastebin.ca
[11:05] <MainVoid> pvh: yup, know what u mean... it is not intuitive enough for most ppl, tho it is getting there..
[11:05] <MainVoid> pvh: much better these days then it was initially....
[11:06] <pvh> MainVoid: That's the nice thing about windows/osx. If you want to reformat a drive, you can go poke through your system and things are sorted into various areas.
[11:06] <pvh> MainVoid: Good luck recognizing 'parted' in /usr/bin
[11:06] <sangriag> Ng, now it worked, I forgot to masq
[11:07] <Ng> pvh: it's not almost impossible to figure out when you have lots of friendly IRC channels and forums and mailing lists :)
[11:07] <Ng> sangriag: cool :)
[11:07] <MainVoid> pvh: :) there's also the -k switch to man, or better yet, "Google is your friend"
[11:07] <pvh> MainVoid: Both of which only help you if you know what to look for.
[11:07] <IMAlbert> I ve used both gaim and xchat myself
[11:07] <MunDy`> Can someone help me? i just installed Ubuntu (warty) but i can't actually get in...
[11:07] <pvh> MainVoid: If you don't know the right keyword, ye're hooped.
[11:07] <sangriag> But with my slow connection it would take more than 2 and half hours to download the ubuntu-desktop and its dependencies
[11:07] <pvh> MainVoid: Which is where #ubuntu is great.
[11:07] <Ng> MunDy`: what's the problem?
[11:07] <Cam-> mundy: describe your problem
[11:08] <MunDy`> X wont start
[11:08] <MainVoid> pvh: "linux repartitioning tool" should give at least a few hits.. ;)
[11:08] <pvh> MainVoid: From 1996-2004, for about fifty different distros.
[11:08] <sangriag> Ng and MainVoid: do you also use amd64warty?
[11:08] <Ng> MunDy`: do you see it trying, does it give you any errors?
[11:08] <Ng> sangriag: I do
[11:08] <MainVoid> pvh: yup, IRC is very nice to have...
[11:08] <pvh> MainVoid: 90% of it will be out of date, and 9 of the remaining 10% will be wrong.
[11:08] <Ng> I'm using it right now :)
[11:08] <MainVoid> sangriag: nope, I'm on a P4 right now..
[11:08] <pvh> MainVoid: The last 1% will mostly be people asking for help and not getting a response other than "me too!"
[11:09] <MunDy`> when i 'view the output' frolm it, it just gives me information on X itself, "X is an opensource .... blah blah... for written by blah blah... e-mail blah balh...."
[11:09] <pvh> Okay, slight exaggeration. :)
[11:09] <MunDy`> not an actual error message
[11:09] <MunDy`> and yeah it does try
[11:09] <sangriag> Ng, how do you feel the difference between the two?
[11:09] <MainVoid> pvh: lol
[11:09] <MunDy`> but it crashes, and then gives me that msg ^^
[11:10] <MainVoid> svenlawaytilfrid: away until friday?
[11:10] <pvh> MainVoid: Well, my copy is running, and I think it's time for me to get some sleep. Thanks for your help!
[11:10] <svenlawaytilfrid> MainVoid: yep.
[11:10] <Ng> sangriag: the 64bit version is ok, if you don't need 32bit stuff like Flash and the various windows video codecs :)
[11:10] <MainVoid> pvh: np..
[11:10] <MainVoid> svenlaway: enjoy! ;)
[11:10] <Ng> MunDy`: when you get that message, scroll right to the bottom, that's where the error should be
[11:10] <Ng> MunDy`: do you know what kind of graphics card you have?
[11:10] <polli> hey, is there anyone else that's having problems with dcgui-qt?
[11:10] <MunDy`> Radeon 9200
[11:12] <Ng> MunDy`: I think you may need to read through http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:12] <Ng> that should cover installing the radeon driver
[11:12] <IMAlbert> I also have an X question
[11:12] <MunDy`> ok, thanks Ng
[11:12] <MunDy`> i'll try that and see what happens =)
[11:12] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: fire away..
[11:12] <MunDy`> bbl
[11:12] <Ng> MunDy`: good luck :)
[11:14] <IMAlbert> I wasn't able to get X working for a while until I finally got it working using the frame buffer.
[11:15] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: what video card do u have?
[11:15] <IMAlbert> Later I installed the Nivida driver and it functions properly but when I login from gdm it switches me back to the framebuffer
[11:15] <IMAlbert> When I create a new user, it functions properly.
[11:16] <IMAlbert> Onboard, I believe Nvidia Vanta
[11:17] <IMAlbert> It displays gdm with the Nvidia driver
[11:18] <IMAlbert> When I login, I login to the GNOME desktop.
[11:18] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: is the problem specific to one particular user?
[11:20] <IMAlbert> Yes, me (the default one), I created a test user and it works properly with it.
[11:21] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: ok, so when u login to gnome, what happens next? does it change resolution perhaps?
[11:22] <IMAlbert> When I login to Gnome it changes from the Nvidia driver to the framebuffer.
[11:22] <Ng> hmm
[11:22] <Ng> that's very strange ;)
[11:23] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: I guess that what I'm trying to ask is, how do u know that is what is happening?
[11:23] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: not meaning to sound daft there, sorry..
[11:24] <lerio> hi all. I need help on sharing my Internet connection on Hoary. what do i have to check?
[11:24] <IMAlbert> The screen goes momentarily blank, the monitor clicks, the image size shrinks and the horizontal rate changes to 60 HZ
[11:25] <Ng> IMAlbert: log in, go to Computer (menu at the top) -> System COnfiguration -> Screen Resolution
[11:25] <Ng> you should be able to set the right resolution and refresh in there
[11:26] <Ng> my guess is that at some point that's what's happened and it was on 60Hz or whatever and Apply was clicked and it remembered those settings
[11:26] <eruin> IMAlbert: what happens if you run glxgears?
[11:26] <lerio> hi all. I need help on sharing my Internet connection on Hoary. what do i have to check?
[11:27] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: yup, I concur with Ng there, that is the sounds of a monitor changing resolution (in some cases anyway)
[11:28] <MainVoid> lerio: eh, ok. there's a few questions that needs to be asked first for that one...
[11:28] <MainVoid> lerio: how do u connect to the net?
[11:28] <IMAlbert> At the moment I can't do any live checks since i am in another partition
[11:29] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: that's ok. if u still have problems after having tried it, get back in here and we'll see what the status is then.. should work fine tho...
[11:29] <IMAlbert> give me a few moments
[11:29] <lerio> MainVoid: thanks. ok: i connect to the network via an adsl modem--this computer runs hoary.
[11:30] <eruin> I'm having trouble with nvidia drivers needing a reinstall to work with glx every boot
[11:30] <eruin> :P
[11:30] <lerio> MainVoid: the other one is connected to this pc through a crosscable and runs debian
[11:30] <rend> whats the most cds your have burned at a time?
[11:31] <lerio> MainVoid: i can ping hoary from debian
[11:32] <lerio> MainVoid: and the same from hoary to deb
[11:32] <Br|ce> hi folks
[11:32] <MainVoid> lerio: check what ur default route is then on your debian box, and configure it to connect to a proper dns service as wel..
[11:32] <Br|ce> could someone point me to a link that explains the basics of setting up a dual head system ?
[11:32] <MainVoid> rend: ??
[11:32] <eruin> Br|ce: no idea, but search for xinerama
[11:32] <Br|ce> (I've got a laptop with a radeon 9200 and a spare crt monitor)
[11:33] <eruin> Br|ce: and check through the radeon driver readme/faq
[11:33] <Br|ce> ok
[11:33] <Br|ce> thanks
[11:33] <lerio> MainVoid: i've already set deb's resolv.conf with the correct dns
[11:34] <MainVoid> lerio: can it resolve properly?
[11:34] <lerio> MainVoid: but i'm not able to ping them
[11:34] <MainVoid> lerio: so, if u do a traceroute <domain>, where does it start giving u probbs? at the hoary end?
[11:35] <lerio> MainVoid: also, the deb install misses lots of packages. so i'm not able to run ifconfig and traceroute
[11:35] <PWM> Hi, i've searched the net for ways to install the firestarter firewall, but since I'm a noob with linux, I can't figure it out... I've downloaded the firestarter debian-archive so can someone please tell me how to install it? :)
[11:36] <lerio> MainVoid: i need an internet connection to install them!!!
[11:36] <MainVoid> lerio: <g> ok.. u can check what the default route is with netstat -rn
[11:36] <mbp_> PWM: "sudo dpkg -i firestarter-*.deb"
[11:36] <mbp_> or, more simply
[11:37] <mbp_> "sudo apt-get install firestarter" will get you the current one from hoary and download it automatically
[11:37] <mbp_> or use the Synaptic package manager from the menu
[11:37] <PWM> mbp_: thanks I'll try right away :)
[11:38] <lerio> MainVoid: what do you need to know?
[11:38] <MainVoid> lerio: ur deb box should have ur hoary system as the default route...
[11:38] <PWM> mbp_: It says it could find the package "firestarter" :(
[11:38] <MainVoid> lerio: and I then assume ur hoary box has a proper connection to the net from there on...
[11:39] <lerio> MainVoid: there are two lines, where the fields are Destination Gateway Genmask
[11:39] <PWM> and when I searc for it with synaptic it doesn't find anything
[11:39] <MainVoid> PWM: if u apt-cache search <search string>, do u then find firestarter?
[11:40] <MainVoid> PWM: u were quicker then me there.. ;)
[11:40] <lerio> MainVoid: 192.168.0.0 --- 0.0.0.0 --- 255.255.255.0 (the first line)
[11:40] <rend> MainVoid: ????
[11:40] <PWM> MainVoid: I appreciate your help, but like I said I'm totally new to this, and I must admit you confused me a bit there :)
[11:41] <lerio> MainVoid: 0.0.0.0 --- 192.168.0.2 --- 0.0.0.0 (the the second one -- 192.168.0.2 is my hoary box)
[11:41] <MainVoid> lerio: and the second line should have the hoary box in the second column?
[11:41] <mvo_> MainVoid: apt-cache and synaptic use the same database :)
[11:41] <rend> I make like 100 cds per day... looking for some cheap way to make duplication and printing of them cheaper/easier to do..
[11:41] <MainVoid> mvo_: I know, just managed to type at the same time here.. ;)
[11:41] <lerio> MainVoid: and yes, the hoary box has a proper internet connection
[11:42] <MainVoid> Ng: u there?
[11:42] <MainVoid> lerio: hmm....
[11:43] <PWM> how about that "universe" thing everybody writes about that you should enable in synaptic... I can't see anything that says "universe" :/
[11:43] <Ng> MainVoid: yes
[11:43] <polli> hmm, does anyone have problems with dcgui-qt (I'm using hoary)? I get a lot of "CXml::xml_UTF8Toisolat1 error <insert favorite digit here>" when I start it
[11:43] <lerio> MainVoid: sounds strange... :)
[11:44] <MainVoid> Ng: does the kernels in ubuntu allow a system to act as a router by default, or is that commented out, u know?
[11:44] <MainVoid> PWM: there should be 2 repositories unchecked in synaptic...
[11:44] <KarlosII> what architecture is ubunut optimized for?
[11:44] <Ng> MainVoid: it probably has ip forwarding disabled by default, which you can enable with "echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" (that will be forgotten on a reboot, you can set it permanently with /etc/sysctl.conf)
[11:45] <MainVoid> lerio: see Ng's comment.. ;)
[11:45] <PWM> MainVoid: yeah, but the URL is the same so I figure "that's ok" :|
[11:46] <MainVoid> PWM: not quite, the URL points to the correct server, and then there's different repositories on that server...
[11:46] <Ng> (edit /etc/sysctl.conf and put a line in with "net/ipv4/ip_forward = 1", that makes the change permanent)
[11:46] <KarlosII> what architecture is ubunut optimized for?
[11:46] <Ng> KarlosII: probably no more than 486
[11:46] <PWM> MainVoid: , well, I guess I'll have to stop assuming so much until I learn this new OS :) Thanks for your help :)
[11:46] <Zindar> 386,586 and 686
[11:46] <Zindar> and PPC... :)
[11:46] <jdub> KarlosII: packages use 486 instructions, tuned for 686
[11:46] <MainVoid> PWM: No probbs.. ;) I didn't explain myself very well there, but you get the idea I hope.. ;)
[11:47] <KarlosII> eww 486
[11:47] <jdub> there's no benefit using anything higher
[11:47] <KarlosII> 486 and 586 is garbage
[11:47] <Ng> KarlosII: are you a gentoo user by any chance? ;)
[11:47] <jdub> applications that need to use processor specific functions do it at runtime
[11:47] <KarlosII> Ng, why woud you say that
[11:47] <Ng> KarlosII: because gentoo users seem to belieive that gcc optimisations actually improve things
[11:47] <Zindar> ok... I was just thinking about the kernel packages.. ignore me :)
[11:47] <prego> how do I enable apm in ubuntu? my laptop does not work with acpi
[11:48] <KarlosII> I'm thinking about kernel
[11:48] <Ng> KarlosII: I'm at least haf half joking btw ;)
[11:48] <Ng> -haf
[11:48] <KarlosII> Ng, well I willadmit it I use gentoo but i find the speed different in compilation of the kernel.
[11:48] <jdub> KarlosII: you can choose between 386, 686, k7
[11:48] <jdub> (and smp variants)
[11:48] <KarlosII> for kernel?
[11:48] <MainVoid> prego: add -noacpi -nolapic in menu.lst for the correct kernel
[11:48] <jdub> yes.
[11:48] <Zindar> isn't there a 585 kernel too?
[11:48] <KarlosII> hmm
[11:48] <jdub> no.
[11:49] <Zindar> ok
[11:49] <KarlosII> jdub oh
[11:49] <KarlosII> heh
[11:49] <clubky> h
[11:50] <KarlosII> what debian tree is based on?
[11:50] <jdub> hi clubky
[11:50] <KarlosII> ie sid/sarge
[11:50] <jdub> KarlosII: ubuntu is a branch of debian sid.
[11:50] <jdub> released every six months
[11:50] <clubky>  from n turkey
[11:50] <lerio> MainVoid: if i try to run the echo command it says permission denied (even with sudo), but i was able to change the file. do i have to reboot?
[11:51] <KarlosII> hmm i need something more stable.....I have debian installation based on sid that my mom is complaining is crahsing
[11:51] <MainVoid> lerio: yup..
[11:51] <jdub> KarlosII: see above - there are stable releases every six months
[11:51] <lerio> MainVoid: thanks a lot. i'll let you know...
[11:51] <MainVoid> KarlosII: well, why is it crashing?
[11:51] <KarlosII> sid is not stable
[11:51] <MainVoid> lerio: no probbs, have fun!
[11:51] <KarlosII> jdub
[11:51] <jdub> KarlosII: ubuntu is not sid, it's a branch of sid.
[11:51] <KarlosII> jdub, a branch....
[11:52] <jdub> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[11:52] <KarlosII> now you got me baffled okie
[11:52] <jdub> we take sid, branch off it regularly, stabilise it and release it
[11:52] <jdub> as per the release schedule
[11:53] <KarlosII> hmm okie is upgrading to new  release easy rather then a complete reinstall as i get that impression from the document
[11:53] <jdub> yes, just like debian.
[11:54] <PWM> hmm, when I try to start firestarter it says my password is wrong... but I'm sure I typed the right password
[11:54] <KarlosII> jdub, so you have your own apt repositories setup is what you're saying
[11:54] <jdub> KarlosII: ubuntu is completely built against itself, and we have a very different release schedule, yes.
[11:55] <KarlosII> now it's making sense
[11:55] <spiral> so this will come with gnom 2.10 final & maybe kde 3.4, isn't it ?
[11:55] <KarlosII> gnome 2.10?
[11:55] <KarlosII> didn't know that existed
[11:55] <prego> MainVoid: thank you, but still APM does not work. "No APM support in kernel"
[11:55] <jdub> spiral: hoary will come with gnome 2.10, probably not kde 3.4.
[11:55] <KarlosII> I reall should keep my eye on things betetr
[11:56] <jdub> KarlosII: it's in development. we track gnome development, releasing our preview ont he same day of gnome's release.
[11:56] <spiral> jdub: will it be available on universe/multiverse ?
[11:56] <KarlosII> jdub, is there good NX support btw?
[11:56] <jdub> not atm
[11:56] <jdub> spiral: kde 3.3 will be
[11:56] <jdub> as built by the kubuntu team
[11:56] <prego> anyone has succeded with firewall-easy?
[11:57] <spiral> jdub: yes... and kubuntu, is it downloadable somewhere or just via apt-geting on ubuntu classic ?
[11:57] <jdub> KarlosII: yes
[11:57] <jdub> spiral: kubuntu is being developed in hoary atm
[11:58] <KarlosII> jdub, hmm
[11:58] <MainVoid> prego: hmm..
[11:58] <KarlosII> jdub I need remote access to fix thinsg for my ma....hmmm
[11:58] <jdub> KarlosII: vnc, ssh, etc., etc.
[11:58] <PWM> how do I start firestarter? it says my root password it wrong when I try to start it
[11:59] <jdub> PWM: sudo firestarter
[11:59] <KarlosII> hmmm
[12:04] <gusto_> anyway to su to become root?
[12:04] <MainVoid> gusto_: yup..
[12:04] <gusto_> MainVoid: can you please tell me how?
[12:05] <MainVoid> gusto_: su on it's own to "switch user" to root, and keeping your own environment variables, or do su - <username, blank for root> to use that users env vars...
[12:06] <MainVoid> gusto_: man <command> will tell you more..
[12:06] <jdub> gusto_: sudo su -
[12:06] <MainVoid> jdub: why sudo su -?
[12:06] <gusto_> jdub: thanks
[12:06] <jdub> gusto_ wants to su to root
[12:06] <MainVoid> jdub: that'd mean ordinary users are not allowed to run su...
[12:06] <prego> MainVoid: perhaps because root account is disabled by default
[12:06] <jdub> ubuntu uses sudo
[12:07] <MainVoid> su - does it..
[12:07] <jdub> so sudo su - gives you a root shell
[12:07] <jdub> (as would sudo -s -H)
[12:07] <jdub> but sudo su - is nicer
[12:07] <MainVoid> prego: disabling the root account would be detrimental to any system.. ;)
[12:07] <prego> MainVoid: login is disabled not the account itself
[12:07] <jdub> MainVoid: the root account is disabled by default in ubuntu.
[12:07] <prego> MainVoid: you are supposed to use sudo instead
[12:08] <prego> MainVoid: IMHO sudo su - allows loging as root whereas login is disbled by default
[12:08] <MainVoid> I agree with that being a good idea, however, if I know the root password, I should be allowed to login as that user..
[12:09] <jdub> MainVoid: if there is no root password, you can't.
[12:09] <MainVoid> I'd disagree to having to be forced to use sudo for that particular usage..
[12:09] <jdub> you can't su to root, dude, there is no root password
[12:09] <trey3> jdub, sudo -s doesn't bring environment? usually, taking me to /root is annoying... just want environment...
[12:09] <MainVoid> jdub: this is the first distro I've seen doing this.
[12:10] <prego> MainVoid: doing this, no root brute-force attack is possible
[12:10] <MainVoid> prego: do u mean local or remote brute force?
[12:10] <prego> MainVoid: They would require first the list of users, crack each user, but they still don't know which ones are in sudoers
[12:11] <prego> MainVoid: both... unless exploits...
[12:11] <MainVoid> prego: for remote, I only use SSH to login remotely, which nicely also has it's AllowUsers setting..
[12:11] <digmig> i tried sudo passwd root once - behaves normal since then. security reestablished.
[12:11] <trey3> jdub, 'sudo -s' == 'su' != 'su -' ?
[12:12] <MainVoid> prego: for local brute force, well then it is not just the root account that is interesting..
[12:12] <MainVoid> prego: and other users are more likely to have weaker passwords then root anyway..
[12:12] <prego> MainVoid: you tweak in ssh what sudo does already...
[12:12] <MainVoid> prego: eh??
[12:13] <prego> MainVoid: restricting root access, I mean
[12:13] <trey3> MainVoid, thats not a valid point actually... knowing the first user is in effect the admin... most users will still give it a difficult password to crack...
[12:13] <prego> MainVoid: I agree that the user that has sudo acess is the weakest point
[12:14] <Ng> that would be true on a box with aroot password
[12:14] <MainVoid> trey3: if u r local, u can prob read /etc/passwd, meaning u already know the usernames...
[12:14] <Ng> privilege escalation attacks are pretty easy generally :(
[12:14] <spiral> and for the ssh example... If you prevent root access...
[12:14] <spiral> you need to know a local user password to ssh
[12:15] <spiral> then su - & know the root password...
[12:15] <trey3> MainVoid, no... only root has read rights to /etc/passwd and /etc/group
[12:15] <spiral> and not just only a local user password... even if it's the sudoer one, it might be easyer
[12:15] <MainVoid> trey3: wrong, I can cat /etc/passwd on warty
[12:15] <MainVoid> /etc/shadow has the passwords
[12:16] <MainVoid> spiral: yes, u sould login as a normal user into a box...
[12:16] <trey3> MainVoid, eh... I guess I changed that here  :/
[12:16] <MainVoid> s/sould/should/
[12:16] <prego> What means "uninstall completely" in synaptic?
[12:16] <trey3> prego, dpkg -P or apt-get remove --purge ...
[12:16] <spiral> MainVoid: so in my example, you need two passwords... isn't it more secure ? :-o
[12:16] <trey3> prego, basically removes config files too..
[12:16] <prego> trey3: ah thanks
[12:17] <MainVoid> spiral: that is what I'm saying too... ;)
[12:17] <spiral> MainVoid: ok, thanks :-)
[12:17] <prego> trey3: If I don't do that, the config files are kept, ... how do I know which are the "hung" config files?
[12:17] <IMAlbert> I'm back, sorry I took so long. I had to manually edit my bootloader to get here.
[12:17] <MainVoid> spiral: what I am against is having to have to use sudo in order to be allowed to use su
[12:17] <trey3> prego, no way to tell really...
[12:18] <prego> trey3: thanks, anyway ;-))
[12:18] <spiral> MainVoid: :-)
[12:18] <HcE> MainVoid: use sudo -s if you need to be root for longer periods
[12:19] <MainVoid> HcE: nah, I stay away from root, unless I *have* to have root access... and when I do, I don't mind a little bit of pain to go with it.. though that sudo bit is ... odd...
[12:20] <MainVoid> it is always easier to do things the way one is used to do them..
[12:20] <MainVoid> not an excuse I know, but still, a point to take into account..
[12:20] <IMAlbert> MainVoid
[12:21] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: yes?
[12:21] <trey3> hmm... sudo -i = shell + environment (path etc) ... damnit @ however told me -s  :(
[12:22] <IMAlbert> Took your advice (once I got in) and it seems to have done the trick.
[12:22] <trey3> 'sudo -i' = 'su -'
[12:22] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: kewl.. tho I think the suggestion as such was made by Ng.. ;)
[12:22] <IMAlbert> By the way, does the frambuffer operate at any rate other than 60 Hz
[12:23] <IMAlbert> Give credit where credit is due.
[12:23] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: have no idea, haven't checked that to be honest.. ;)
[12:24] <MainVoid> trey3: if that is the case, suggest that then as an alias in bash for ubuntu!!?? ;)
[12:24] <IMAlbert> I changed the setting to 1024x768 at 75 HZ
[12:24] <trey3> MainVoid, it will never go down... you can do it locally?
[12:24] <Ng> IMAlbert: typically the framebuffer can support the same resolutions as X, although it would depend on exactly which framebuffer driver it was using. It's almost certainly not using a framebuffer driver though
[12:24] <Ng> if you're sure gdm is using nvidia then it should still be using it once you log in
[12:25] <trey3> sudo -s = su though... I was always told thats wrong (due to not bringing env.)
[12:25] <MainVoid> trey3: nah, I'll prob get things around in such a way that I am used to them, more likely..
[12:25] <IMAlbert> Now the monitor doesn't change from gdm only when I restart X (as it should)
[12:26] <trey3> MainVoid, other than little things, you'd be surprised how fast you get used to using sudo..
[12:26] <IMAlbert> Thank You for your help
[12:26] <MainVoid> trey3: oh, I'm quite happy using sudo, just not in the context of running su.. ;)
[12:26] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: enjoy! ;)
[12:26] <MainVoid> trey3: AM or PM??
[12:26] <trey3> MainVoid, am...
[12:27] <trey3> if it was pm... I wouldn't mind at all...
[12:27] <IMAlbert> I see what happens come April
[12:27] <MainVoid> trey3: LOL, it's 11:30 here.. ;)
[12:27] <trey3> MainVoid, Aussie?  :)
[12:27] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: 1/4/05 u mean? :D
[12:27] <MainVoid> trey3: UK.. ;)
[12:28] <trey3> MainVoid, ahh... what part?
[12:28] <prego> I have some problems with a usb stick. If I format it with fat or reiserfs it works OK, but if I use ext2/ext3 it is pain slow when writting (being quick at reads)
[12:28] <MainVoid> trey3: North west, just south of Manchester...
[12:28] <IMAlbert> I will have to check that
[12:28] <trey3> MainVoid, cool... moved to the US from Blackpool... born in Coventry though  :)
[12:28] <jdub> MainVoid: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[12:28] <piper> Hey, I was wondering if anyone can help me; having some problems installing Ubuntu.
[12:29] <MainVoid> trey3: well, being Swedish originally, u can never guess where I moved from to get here...
[12:29] <trey3> piper, tell us problems... and we might be able to help  :)
[12:29] <piper> Specifically the formatting part. It doesn't want to format anything.
[12:29] <trey3> MainVoid, Japan?  8)
[12:29] <MainVoid> jdub: reading it now.. ;)
[12:29] <piper> (checked the forums and it seems to be a popular issue, but no replies... :( )
[12:29] <MainVoid> trey3: Dublin.. :D
[12:29] <trey3> MainVoid, bah... not even close  :(
[12:30] <trey3> piper, gah... what are you trying to set? how far do you actually get?
[12:31] <MainVoid> trey3: <g>
[12:31] <trey3> MainVoid, bah... their are like 3-4 screens related to partitioning...
[12:31] <trey3> there*
[12:31] <piper> Just up to the formatting part; I can set everything up but when it tries to format the partitions it gives me a red error screen.
[12:31] <odyssey> hello
[12:31] <MainVoid> jdub: it's prob a good way of getting noobs into using sudo...
[12:31] <trey3> piper, hah... haven't even seen that... what does error say?
[12:32] <MainVoid> jdub: tho, for me, that has used *nix for ~10 years..... different story..
[12:33] <MainVoid> jdub: ever tried su1?
[12:33] <trey3> jdub, permission to change 'sudo -s -H' to 'sudo -i' (on account of its shorter and does the same thing + more) ?
[12:33] <ismaeval> MainVoid: for a single user installation, using sudo is killing flies with cannon balls, as we say in spain :)
[12:34] <jdub> trey3: nice one
[12:34] <IMAlbert> Is it a home computer?
[12:34] <trey3> jdub, take that as a yes?
[12:34] <jdub> trey3: yep
[12:34] <MainVoid> ismaeval: if u *know* what u r doing, I'd agree, otherwise it's a good thing to learn.. ;)
[12:34] <trey3> 8)
[12:35] <ismaeval> MainVoid: using Linux -> knowing what u r doing or at least planning to ;)
[12:35] <IMAlbert> If it is, there's really no such ting as single user.
[12:35] <piper> Eh, I'll be back in a bit, got to write down the actual error message.
[12:35] <IMAlbert> thing
[12:35] <MainVoid> ismaeval: u r starting down the correct path at a minimum!! :D
[12:35] <trey3> jdub, hmm... haha... its locked...  :(
[12:36] <ismaeval> MainVoid: I think the minimum in this case is `su -c'
[12:36] <ismaeval> MainVoid: you don't need sudo unless *you know* you need sudo
[12:36] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: well, even on a home computer u may have more then one user at a time logged in to it..
[12:37] <ismaeval> in that case, having more than one user logged in, indeed sudo is *very* useful
[12:37] <IMAlbert> Hence, there is no such thing as a single user.
[12:37] <MainVoid> ismaeval: I'd rather say, u need sudo in case u r new to *nix, to be honest...
[12:37] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: how come?
[12:37] <ismaeval> MainVoid: using Mac OS X, sudo is the only way to get root, well, Apple users are new to *nix, let's agree
[12:38] <spiral> ismaeval: :-p
[12:39] <IMAlbert> If it's a home computer, more than one person in the house will invariably want to use it.
[12:39] <ismaeval> IMAlbert: then, the other partition with windows installed comes to mind :P
[12:40] <IMAlbert> Is it Windows ME like mine?
[12:40] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: I see what u mean.. u r thinking of one person sitting by the same computer at one time..
[12:41] <poningru> lol
[12:41] <poningru> looking at mainvoids earlier comment
[12:42] <IMAlbert> Not necessarily, just don't expect the computer to see much idle time.
[12:42] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: well, then u may have multiple users at the same time, right? ;)
[12:43] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: tell me to shut up if I get too tedious.. ;)
[12:43] <IMAlbert> or consecutive
[12:43] <MainVoid> true, true..
[12:43] <trey3> jdub, ugh... I don't like the wording "to have a login shell as root" because this is technically still the case with 'sudo -s'  :(
[12:44] <piper> Well, I'm back with the error messages.
[12:44] <trey3> jdub, maybe you can think of something better?
[12:44] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: but that doesn't exclude u wanting to have multiple user support.. ;)
[12:45] <MainVoid> trey3: "to get a command line with root priviliges" perhaps?
[12:45] <IMAlbert> Of course not.  I wouldn't want someone else messing with MY files.
[12:45] <piper> I get up to the partitioning screen, select "Manually Edit", set up the partitions, select "Finish partitioning..." and get this lovely message on a red screen: "The (ext2/3/reiserfs) file system creation ... failed"
[12:46] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: so, how do u do on a system that doesn't have multi-user support to make sure that doesn't happen?
[12:46] <piper> Any help would be great :)
[12:46] <IMAlbert> You don't.
[12:47] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: wrong, u install a proper OS, like ubuntu.. :D (sorry, couldn't help myself!)
[12:47] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: one answer would be to encrypt your files, which becomes cumbersome after a while.. ;)
[12:48] <IMAlbert> But doesn't Ubuntu HAVE multiuser support?
[12:48] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: my point exactly.. :D
[12:49] <piper> So, nobody can help?
[12:50] <IMAlbert> What might be simpler is to make it impossible for the other users to see your directory by selectivly fixing permissions and paths?
[12:50] <IMAlbert> Actually that was supposed to be a statement.
[12:50] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: yes, but ur initial point was that a home computer didn't need multi-user support..
[12:51] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: like I said before, I'm only arguing the point for the arguments sake..
[12:51] <trey3> piper, sorry man... not very clear as to what exactly went wrong... we already knew something failed  :(
[12:51] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: I do understand what u mean tho, and u r correct in that..
[12:51] <IMAlbert> My intial point was actually that there was no such thing as a truly single user home computer.
[12:51] <MainVoid> trey3: does the installer give output on any of the other vt's that may be interesting?
[12:52] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: sounds then like I lost the argument, since I didn't read ur initial statement properly.. ;) DOH!
[12:52] <trey3> MainVoid, I believe on vt1 (ie ctrl alt f2) ... worth a try...
[12:52] <trey3> s/vt1/tty1/
[12:52] <piper> It installed fine when I formatted the entire disk (months ago), but I can't afford to do that now... well, thanks anyway, the error messages are fairly vague themselves.
[12:52] <topyli> piper: something happened to a /home partition at work and i wasn't even formatting it. it said "won't be used". i thought, oh, i'll mount it later, but when i rebooted it was there :)
[12:53] <IMAlbert> Especially in my sisters house (she is married with six children)
[12:53] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: so, if u live alone then? (think I found my loophole!!)
[12:53] <piper> Is there anyway to format using a live CD and then bypass the format page in ubuntu?
[12:53] <MainVoid> piper: when u do the formating, press alt+F2 and check the output there for errors...
[12:54] <IMAlbert> But that's my problem and we won't go there.
[12:54] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: lol
[12:54] <piper> MainVoid: Alright, thanks. I'll give that a shot.
[12:55] <trey3> piper, if it doesn't work... at least write down any applicable errors and come back  :)
[12:55] <IMAlbert> notepad?
[12:55] <MainVoid> lol
[12:56] <trey3> IMAlbert, >.<  ... you just reminded me of Winblows... I get to hurt you now.
[12:56] <DonLemmi> Hi, can anyone tell me how i can install a driver for my soundcard in ubuntu,please?
[12:56] <piper> trey3: the errors I got were just what I wrote above, the "..." was just the partition info.
[12:56] <trey3> DonLemmi, modprobe module_name
[12:56] <trey3> DonLemmi, not that that is much use without knowing module name  ;)
[12:57] <trey3> DonLemmi, lspci | grep Audio and paste output here
[12:57] <MainVoid> piper: "failed" is all u get??
[12:57] <trey3> piper, alt f2 should shot exactly what it was doing when it failed... "Failed partitioning" isn't very enlightening  :/
[12:57] <trey3> s/shot/show/
[12:57] <piper> MainVoid: yep. "... failed."
[12:58] <DonLemmi> trey3: its a crystal sound 4236B
[12:58] <piper> Well, I found a bug report: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-boot@lists.debian.org/msg66995.html
[12:58] <DonLemmi> Its conencted to ISA
[12:59] <DonLemmi> so lspci doesnt list it
[12:59] <DonLemmi> i found it via lshw
[12:59] <kbrooks> isa? dude.
[12:59] <kbrooks> isa == slow and old
[01:00] <kbrooks> pci > isa
[01:00] <DonLemmi> Its an old P2 333MHz :)
[01:00] <MainVoid> piper: u should be able to format the partition using any other bootable Linux CD, and then just leave it as-is when u install....
[01:00] <MainVoid> piper: should work...
[01:01] <DonLemmi> In Knoppix Sound worked but i cant remember the modiulename. it was like cs4236 or similar
[01:01] <IMAlbert> Yes, but don't we want to see these machines receive a new lease on life?
[01:01] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: sudo modprobe snd-cs4236
[01:02] <piper> MainVoid: I'll give that a shot, if that doesn't work I'll try Alt-F2. Thanks for the help.
[01:02] <DonLemmi> thx MainVoid, ill try
[01:03] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: good luck! *should* work..
[01:03] <kbrooks> I HATE ISA
[01:03] <IMAlbert> Assuming the info you gave is correct.
[01:03] <kbrooks> BOYCOTT ISA
[01:04] <trey3> DonLemmi, that is the module name... 'snd-cs4236' ... modprobe that...
[01:04] <trey3> (snd- denotes alsa driver)
[01:05] <trey3> kbrooks, all well and good... but that doesn't make his sound card work... "buy a new sound card" is not good advice...
[01:05] <MainVoid> kbrooks: there are worse standards out there..
[01:05] <IMAlbert> Microchannel
[01:05] <MainVoid> EEEEEEWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!
[01:06] <MainVoid> lol
[01:06] <MainVoid> SBus is also fun these days..
[01:06] <trey3> but yeah... during 2.4.20 ... there was a bug with it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=181890
[01:06] <trey3> Hopefully thats been fixed since then though  8)
[01:07] <DonLemmi> MainVoid / trey3 : thx, that loaded the module. now how can i "automate" that *g?
[01:08] <IMAlbert> What's glxgears supposed to do if you do not have a glx driver?
[01:09] <trey3> DonLemmi, put snd-cs4236 into /etc/modules ...
[01:09] <MainVoid> trey3: oi! <g>
[01:09] <trey3> MainVoid, wasn't me
[01:10] <MainVoid> lol
[01:10] <trey3> Shaggy is my idol  8)
[01:10] <trey3> "She got it on camera" "Wasn't me"  8)
[01:11] <DonLemmi> trey3: in /etc/modules or in /etc/modules.d/autoload.modules.2.6 blah :)?
[01:11] <trey3> DonLemmi, yeah... no... the first one  ;)
[01:12] <trey3> DonLemmi, hence why I said that  ;)
[01:12] <trey3> DonLemmi, /etc/modules = one of my favorate debianism's  8)
[01:13] <DonLemmi> k :)
[01:13] <DonLemmi> thx
[01:13] <Flyounet> Hi, How to stop the buzz sound when i make a mistake on the command line ?
[01:14] <trey3> Flyounet, don't make a mistake?
[01:14] <Flyounet> :)
[01:15] <trey3> Flyounet, haha... no... you can turn off console beeps... dunno how though  :(
[01:15] <Flyounet> I try to disable it in the bios management, but il continue to beep :|
[01:16] <krism> Flyounet : you mean from within gnome?
[01:17] <krism> if you go to Computer->Desktop Preferences->Sound and turn sounds for events off, itll remove most of the beeping
[01:17] <krism> also, in gnome terminal, Edit->Current Profile->Terminal Bell
[01:17] <piper> Question: what does "Configure the Local Volume Manager" entail? I'm pretty sure that's where my problem lies.
[01:17] <MainVoid> Flyounet: turn off the "Terminal Bell" in the gnome terminal will do it..
[01:18] <MainVoid> piper: is there anything in particular leading u to that conclusion, or just a hunch?
[01:18] <Flyounet> no, i try to install the ubuntu, but for the time i have problem with X... So i'am not under graphic environment
[01:19] <trey3> Flyounet, hmm... try 'softbeep'... takes it to sound card... or theoretically /dev/null (to shut it up entirely)
[01:19] <piper> Well I checked Alt-F3 (F2 was blank) and it said: "No matching physical volumes found ... No Volume Groups found"
[01:19] <MainVoid> <-- quitte has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[01:19] <MainVoid> LOL
[01:20] <trey3> piper, bah... looks like you're setting up an LVM volume then? yeah... don't do that..
[01:20] <MainVoid> piper: well, if u haven't defined any volume groups, that is quite normal to see.. and u'd know if u had done that.. ;)
[01:21] <piper> Not setting up an LVM volume, just doing what the help guide suggests. So that's normal, then?
[01:21] <trey3> piper, hmm... or you specified things that aren't actually there... which is actually what it seems to say on re-reading...
[01:21] <trey3> piper, seems it if what I just said doesn't fit...
[01:21] <trey3> piper, any other errors?
[01:22] <piper> trey3: No, it just went on to "Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while..."
[01:22] <synan> hi there!
[01:22] <MainVoid> piper: that would be a normal error message
[01:22] <trey3> piper, hmm... and you didn't wait?  shouldn't take that long though  :/
[01:23] <trey3> synan, hey
[01:23] <piper> trey3: I waited a little while while copying the rest down, but nothing else came up.
[01:24] <synan> one question, i was trying out synaptic and when trzsing to remove some debs i get some strange dependencie hell sayin it would have to remove base/systam and such???
[01:25] <trey3> synan, most packages in Ubuntu depend either 'ubuntu-base' or 'ubuntu-desktop' ... done so the devels can better guide users along upgrades etc...
[01:25] <trey3> synan, its perfectly ok to say yes to these removals... just be aware that future upgrades may not go as smooth...
[01:27] <synan> hm.. so it wont actually remove gnome whenb removing openoffice? =)
[01:28] <trey3> synan, it shouldn't? hah... haven't tried... are gnome components specifically listed?
[01:28] <synan> well, that wasnt exactly the case, but i was just making an exapmle..
[01:30] <trey3> synan, ahhh... yeah... generally its safe...
[01:31] <synan> trey3, thx!
[01:31] <DonLemmi> trey3 / MainVoid : Thx, i added the module and now it works :) thx alot
[01:32] <trey3> synan, DonLemmi, you're welcome  8)
[01:33] <R4lph> Hello, does somebody know what is the name of icon set in fc3 for Gnome? I wanted to use it in Ubuntu =] 
[01:33] <trey3> R4lph, pretty sure the icons are patented to Red Hat?
[01:33] <synan> im an old slack user, and i am currently trzing out ubuntu and am liking it very much.. it installed under 15mins on my computer which is cool.. just have to get some xfce debs.. =)
[01:34] <R4lph> trey3: patented?
[01:34] <trey3> R4lph, uhh... yeah... they pretty much taught Bluecurve as their desktop... and as such protect it from others...
[01:35] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: u r welcome...
[01:35] <trey3> R4lph, 'lighthouse-blue' is technically bluecurve... although I've never actually gotten it to work  :/
[01:35] <R4lph> trey3: so i cant use it?
[01:36] <trey3> R4lph, uhh 'gtk2-engines-lighthouse-blue' I think
[01:37] <trey3> R4lph, nope... enless you go get 'redhat-artwork' from Fedora... and use alien on that, and install the resulting .deb maybe  :/
[01:38] <trey3> R4lph, not sure how legal that is though  :/
[01:38] <macewan> works like a charm tho
[01:38] <macewan> ;)
[01:39] <R4lph> trey3: So pity :/
[01:39] <trey3> R4lph, technically, if you already installed Fedora... you have permission I guess  8)
[01:39] <da_bon_bon> hey, i downloaded a distro, and the image was corrupted. how do i repair it ?
[01:40] <trey3> R4lph, a supprising amount of us are  :)
[01:40] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: how did u dl it originally? http, ftp, rsync, jigdo, torrent?
[01:41] <R4lph> trey3: =] 
[01:41] <da_bon_bon> MainVoid: a friend did it. i think it was ftp or http.
[01:41] <trey3> MainVoid, a burned image is currupted? or just the downloaded file?  maybe I'm mistaken...
[01:41] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: I'd dl it again myself...
[01:42] <trey3> MainVoid, seems logical enough huh  ;)
[01:42] <synan> hey, do debian "specific" debs work on ubuntu or is the system somewhat different_
[01:42] <da_bon_bon> trey3: the burnt image, was burnt to a cd. i booted off it and realized its corrupt.
[01:42] <da_bon_bon> MainVoid: cant redownload
[01:42] <kbrooks> synan, don't use those. they could break your system.
[01:42] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: in that case, I have a feeling u r in trouble... unless u can get someone to send u a new cd..
[01:42] <trey3> synan, generally they will work... sid and hoary or testing and warty don't line up 100% though... and the latter are getting more and more seperate...
[01:43] <kbrooks> da_bon_bon, why cant u redownload
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> no one sent it. my friend downloaded and gave it .
[01:43] <kbrooks> oh. ok
[01:43] <trey3> synan, afaik, there hasn't been an hoary freeze yet though, so they should be quite simular...
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> kbrooks: bad conectivity
[01:43] <kbrooks> i get you now
[01:43] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: same principle, different method..
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> MainVoid: no. first, i didnt beg.
[01:44] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: in essence, u need to get a new CD, somehow..
[01:44] <kbrooks> da_bon_bon, what do you mean?
[01:44] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: not sure I understand what u mean there...
[01:44] <synan> trey3, i havent gotten the time yet to take a look, but does ubuntu offer deb d/l for things that arent on the main install cd?
[01:44] <trey3> da_bon_bon, I take it its not Ubuntu? else I'd just tell you to order via ShipIt  :/
[01:45] <da_bon_bon> MainVoid: the difference b/w sending and getting from a frnd is that i have to beg for someone to send a cd. ;)
[01:45] <da_bon_bon> trey3: not ubuntu
[01:45] <trey3> synan, yes... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view  <-- for a full explaination...
[01:45] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: ah, u mean "ask".. ;) begging is something I try to avoid.. ;)
[01:45] <trey3> synan, only 'main' and 'restricted' are enabled by default
[01:45] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: tho, u may have to ask someone this time around.. ;)
[01:46] <da_bon_bon> same here
[01:46] <Erdos_> ciao ragazzi, ho appena installato ubuntu ma ho un problemino sicuramente stupido
[01:46] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: where do u live, and what distro was it?
[01:46] <Erdos_> che password di root devo mettere ? ho visto che root  disabilitato ....
[01:46] <Erdos_> help
[01:46] <Erdos_> which is root password
[01:46] <da_bon_bon> MainVoid: india. promepis b4
[01:46] <Erdos_> ?
[01:46] <no0tic> Erdos_: vieni su #ubuntu-it
[01:46] <synan> ah, the universe thing.. i read the docs b4 install, but fast and non remembering..
[01:46] <kbrooks> Erdos_, user password
[01:47] <no0tic> Erdos_: root doesn't exist in ubuntu
[01:47] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: never heard of promepis myself..
[01:47] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: any particular reason for that distro?
[01:47] <da_bon_bon> MainVoid: i like it. simple, powerful, manyyy apps. by default.
[01:48] <scoon> anyone having any problems with metacity ?
[01:48] <kbrooks> scoon, ask.
[01:48] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: do they have any servcie where u can order CD's from them, perhaps?
[01:48] <trey3> scoon, define 'problem'...
[01:48] <scoon> problems like when you click on the menubar all of the windows on all desktops flash
[01:48] <scoon> kbrooks
[01:48] <scoon> i am
[01:48] <da_bon_bon> MainVoid: it costs money. and i am low on it - a 16 yr old cant have enough pocket money.
[01:48] <kbrooks> scoon, you weren't.
[01:49] <scoon> kbrooks, certainly was.
[01:49] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: lol, I remember those days..... *sigh* looong time ago...
[01:49] <kbrooks> scoon, you were not asking a *real question*
[01:49] <da_bon_bon> MainVoid: why are u 90 now. ;) no offense meant joking.
[01:49] <synan> trey3, thx for your time!
[01:49] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: not sure if ubuntu still do their Free CD shipping (anyone?)
[01:49] <synan> bye all!
[01:49] <trey3> kbrooks, shush... he just used enter instead of grammar  ;)
[01:49] <scoon> oh, i always forget about the "question police" ?
[01:50] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: nah, just twice ur age so far.. ;)
[01:50] <scoon> thanks kbrooks for keeping me on my toes :)
[01:50] <kbrooks> MainVoid, they do.
[01:50] <kbrooks> scoon, i had to <g>
[01:50] <scoon> so back to metacity window flashing.
[01:50] <scoon> anyone notice it.
[01:50] <scoon> don't be a hero kbrooks.
[01:50] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: so u can then possibly get a ubuntu cd set sent to u for free...
[01:50] <scoon> ;)
[01:50] <trey3> scoon, I've not seen that... then I haven't restarted metacity since last upgrade...
[01:51] <MainVoid> scoon: what refresh rate do u use? could that be it?
[01:51] <scoon> trey3, i just apt'd version 2.9.5
[01:51] <da_bon_bon> MainVoid: i dont like ubuntu much. have the cds.
[01:52] <trey3> scoon, same here...
[01:52] <scoon> MainVoid, i don't think so.  I have been hoary for over a month w/ no problems.  I just upg'd metacity and it is flashing all over the place.
[01:52] <trey3> scoon, still don't see it  *shrug*
[01:52] <Cam-> how can i get the engage dock?
[01:52] <Cam-> ;)
[01:52] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: not sure what to tell u then.. apart from contacting a LUG and ask if there is someone near u that could help..
[01:53] <da_bon_bon> MainVoid: hmm.. i know how to repair using BT but no torrents too. :((
[01:54] <MainVoid> scoon: no idea then, sorry.. I'm still on warty.. just installed 2 days ago. ;)
[01:54] <kbrooks> i think i'm gonna order 2 ubuntu cds (those cds that have a box) and sell them to anyone on irc (for free).
[01:55] <MainVoid> kbrooks: give, not sell.. ;)
[01:55] <kbrooks> but not this week....i'll order the 2 cds wednesday or thursday and then give them this weekend
[01:55] <trey3> Who was it with metacity issue?
[01:55] <scoon> trey3,  me
[01:56] <scoon> trey3, how is it working for you ?
[01:56] <trey3> scoon, yeah... clicking titlebar makes it spaz...
[01:56] <scoon> trey3, thanks.
[01:56] <MainVoid> kbrooks: first come first serve, or something with a twist to it? like a compo?
[01:56] <trey3> scoon, if you want... post bug report here, and I will confirm...
[01:57] <trey3> scoon, ps.... thats really freaking annoying damnit  >.<
[01:57] <scoon> trey3, i am going to setup xfce and then search out bugzilla.
[01:57] <scoon> trey3, if there is nothing posted i will put up a bug and let you know.
[01:57] <scoon> trey3, thanks for checking.
[01:57] <trey3> scoon, grrr... you're using betaware... you should have known such things would happen...
[01:58] <Cam-> has anyone here compiled engage!?
[01:58] <scoon> trey3, i do know things like this will happen.  no biggie.
[01:58] <kbrooks> MainVoid, first com e first serve
[01:58] <trey3> scoon, going and installing something else because of one bug is kinda ludacris
[01:58] <scoon> trey3, i keep a local copy of xfce for just the occasion.
[01:59] <scoon> trey3, when i need to get things done, spazing window managers is not helping w/ that.
[01:59] <MainVoid> trey3: does ubuntu have a tinderbox?
[02:02] <R4lph> Someone tried 3ddesktop ?
[02:02] <R4lph> I dont know how to run it
[02:02] <MainVoid> trey3: oh, btw, it is possible to turn of away notifications in X-Chat (I think anyway.. ;) )
[02:03] <da_bon_bon> how do i create exact ISO images of cds in lin ?
[02:04] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: try out xcdroast, as for one example...
[02:04] <hypn0> da_bon_bon: nautilus?
[02:05] <da_bon_bon> hypn0: CLI ?
[02:06] <MainVoid> da_bon_bon: cdrecord ?
[02:06] <da_bon_bon> ok..
[02:07] <bzbb> dd
[02:07] <MainVoid> bzbb: lol
[02:07] <MainVoid> bzbb: good old dd, does it all.. :)
[02:08] <trey3> MainVoid, what is a tinderbox?  :(
[02:08] <trey3> sorry... was reporting bug  :o
[02:08] <bzbb> except my homework
[02:08] <MainVoid> trey3: a bunch of boxes that keep on building packages from CVS..
[02:09] <MainVoid> trey3: when they fail, it will show up on a central monitoring system as a red mark..
[02:09] <MainVoid> trey3: when that happens, it is said that the "tree is on fire"...
[02:09] <trey3> MainVoid, not sure actually... I know there are build boxes... but other than that...
[02:09] <MainVoid> trey3: it helps in finding packages that has build issues...
[02:10] <MainVoid> doesn't find all ur possible s/w issues, but helps finding some at least...
[02:10] <trey3> MainVoid, would be more enlightening to ask a devel  ;)
[02:11] <MainVoid> trey3: example: http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showbuilds.cgi
[02:11] <MainVoid> trey3: ;) if I knew one I would.. ;)
[02:13] <Skid> hi folks, anyone recommend a decent x newsreader?
[02:13] <Skid> (supporting binaries too)
[02:13] <Ribs> Pan
[02:14] <Skid> ah, brillaint that's just what I've been looking for
[02:16] <trey3> seb128, you around? might be easier to inform me on backtracing here?   ;)
[02:17] <William_Cain> Hello.
[02:17] <William_Cain> I have noticed this strange bug in my boot manager.
[02:18] <William_Cain> Every time I boot, there is one more instance of Ubuntu in the boot list.
[02:18] <seb128> trey3: yep
[02:18] <trey3> William_Cain, did you install a new kernel? does it say "rescue mode"?
[02:18] <trey3> seb128, cool... I filled the Metacity bug... what info you need about it?
[02:18] <William_Cain> It says both normal- and rescue mode.
[02:19] <seb128> trey3: what is asked in the bug ...
[02:19] <trey3> seb128, it was confirmed by scoon... (actually I confirmed it for him) ...
[02:19] <seb128> trey3: ps ax | grep metacity, note the pid and sudo gdb -p <pid>
[02:19] <MainVoid> William_Cain: that is by design..
[02:20] <William_Cain> Why? My boot list will be very big.
[02:20] <MainVoid> William_Cain: why should it be very bug?
[02:20] <trey3> seb128, hmm... two entries...  metacity --sm-save-file 1106208892-975-937855816.ms  states "Ss"... never seen that?
[02:20] <MainVoid> s/bug/big/
[02:20] <William_Cain> Now I have:
[02:20] <William_Cain> Normal Ubuntu boot
[02:20] <William_Cain> Safe Ubuntu boot
[02:20] <William_Cain> Normal Ubuntu boot
[02:20] <William_Cain> Safe Ubuntu boot
[02:20] <William_Cain> Normal Ubuntu boot
[02:20] <William_Cain> Safe Ubuntu boot
[02:20] <William_Cain> And even more.
[02:20] <William_Cain> I get one more each time I boot.
[02:21] <MainVoid> William_Cain: so, u have installed a number of various kernels?
[02:21] <seb128> trey3: ?
[02:21] <William_Cain> I haven't done anything with my kernels.
[02:21] <seb128> trey3: you have one line for metacity ...
[02:21] <MainVoid> William_Cain: odd... never seen that before.. u r using grub or lilo?
[02:21] <William_Cain> GRUB, I reckon.
[02:22] <William_Cain> The one that comes with Ubuntu 4.1
[02:22] <IMAlbert> Thank you for your help, but
[02:22] <IMAlbert> I'll talk with you later.
[02:23] <MainVoid> William_Cain: I'd recommend u to create a bug report for that one...
[02:23] <William_Cain> Ok.
[02:23] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: talk to who?
[02:23] <William_Cain> Because my boot manager will be crowded very soon.
[02:23] <MainVoid> William_Cain: sorry, but I have no idea what that would happen, it shouldn't...
[02:23] <IMAlbert> All who are here and have helped me.
[02:23] <William_Cain> Hmm, no it's not easy, I know.
[02:24] <MainVoid> William_Cain: can u check if u have a lot of entries in /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[02:24] <William_Cain> Ok, I will.
[02:24] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: Ah, thought u meant someone specific.. ;)
[02:24] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: have a food one! catch u l8r!
[02:24] <MainVoid> William_Cain: in that file grub specifies what choises u have when booting u c...
[02:25] <William_Cain> Hmm, yes, it lists various kernel versions.
[02:25] <William_Cain> However, I haven't fiddled with them.
[02:25] <William_Cain> May they have been automatically installed while I've been updating everything?
[02:25] <MainVoid> William_Cain: do u also have the corresponding kernels in /boot?
[02:26] <William_Cain> Seems like it.
[02:26] <jkroon81> Anyone know if Mono will be included in the next release of Ubuntu?
[02:26] <MainVoid> William_Cain: they could have been, I just installed ubuntu the other day myself, so am not sure, but the possibility is there..
[02:26] <William_Cain> Should I delete the others but the newest one?
[02:27] <MainVoid> William_Cain: yes, but by using apt or synaptic to do so, just to do it cleanly..
[02:27] <William_Cain> What's the difference between version: 2.6.8.1-4-386 and 2.6.8.1-4-686?
[02:29] <MainVoid> William_Cain: *-386 is the bog standard kernel, whereas *-686 is optimised for PentiumII and up processors...
[02:29] <William_Cain> Ok, that's not good since I use an AMD XP2400+ CPU.
[02:29] <DonLemmi> Hi, i have another question. Normally wirh Xfree, one leaves out the lines for the refresh rates on the XF86-Config and then the Monitor is probed. But if i comment out these lines with ubuntu, my Xsessions starts at 60 Hz with 640x480. Anyone can tell me why?
[02:29] <William_Cain> Should I use one of the AMD kernels?
[02:29] <William_Cain> They're for AMD K7.
[02:29] <MainVoid> William_Cain: Ah, u'd still have gains, but best gains then is to use a *-k7 kernel...
[02:30] <William_Cain> Ok, I'll do that.
[02:30] <William_Cain> Should I uninstall all kernels but the one I'd want to keep?
[02:30] <MainVoid> William_Cain: that should take care of those headaches for you...
[02:30] <MainVoid> William_Cain: yes..
[02:31] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: and X probes ur monitor and properly gets the EDID?
[02:31] <William_Cain> Ok, thanks a lot.
[02:31] <MainVoid> William_Cain: no probbs..
[02:31] <William_Cain> Just one more question.
[02:31] <DonLemmi> MainVoid: whats EDID?
[02:32] <William_Cain> There's something called Hotplug that fails to load during boot. What is Hotplug?
[02:33] <schnide> Hi, I have a question - I use Windows and I hate it.  Should I change to this Linux?
[02:33] <superted> schnide: yes you should
[02:33] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: EDID is the data probed from the monitor that contains the monitors spec's..
[02:33] <William_Cain> schnide: Ubuntu is very easy to install, and works perfectly for people switching from Windows to Linux.
[02:33] <MainVoid> schnide: anything is better then windblows..
[02:34] <schnide> Sounds good!  What's the driver support like?  Will I probably be able to find drivers for my graphics card, wireless LAN equipment..?
[02:34] <William_Cain> Heh, I still have Windows on my computer. I like it.
[02:34] <William_Cain> *raises fale shield*
[02:34] <William_Cain> flame*
[02:34] <schnide> (Obviously I know you can't say yes or no exactly, but just give me a general idea)
[02:34] <KarlosII> windows borked on my comp
[02:34] <KarlosII> I'm not about to reinstall it right now...
[02:34] <tritium> William_Cain, hotplug is intended to let you plug in devices and use them immediately.
[02:34] <nevyn_> schnide: we can say yes or no exactly if youn tell us exactly what the hardware is.
[02:35] <schnide> GeForce 2 card, D-Link 604+ router, D-Link 510 PCI card..
[02:35] <schnide> SB Live 5.1 Player, Pentax 33WR digital camera..
[02:35] <schnide> Well you asked!
[02:36] <alec> can i install wine easily on ubuntu
[02:36] <MainVoid> schnide: those should work fine.... the camer I am not sure about, mainly because I haven't used a digital camera in linux yet..
[02:36] <schnide> Ok that's great, last question then I think - can I dual boot and keep Windows for the time being to see if I like it/can use it?
[02:36] <MainVoid> schnide: yup..
[02:37] <schnide> Cool!  Is it easy to do?
[02:37] <MainVoid> schnide: depends.. do u have more then one hd? got a lot of free space?
[02:37] <tritium> schnide, you should have little trouble, and we're here to help
[02:37] <DonLemmi> MainVoid>: i just looked at the XF...log and there the probing looks good. But than later when the xserver tried to use the higher modes, it fails
[02:37] <MainVoid> schnide: usually it is easy..
[02:37] <schnide> I have one (dying) HD with about 5gig free - is that enough?
[02:38] <schnide> I have XP SP2 at present
[02:38] <nevyn_> sure.
[02:38] <nevyn_> dying isn't a good thing
[02:38] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: set the vrefresh value to what is probed from the monitor, and it'll prob work a bit better...
[02:38] <schnide> I'll get a new HD when I have some cash :)
[02:38] <nevyn_> schnide: does the camera appear as a disk under windows XP?
[02:38] <schnide> Yeah it does, that's good I take it?
[02:38] <MainVoid> schnide: it's enough space, if the drive lasts is another question.. if it is already dying, I'd replace that first anyway...
[02:38] <DonLemmi> MainVoid: k thx, ill try
[02:38] <nevyn_> schnide: indeed that's good.
[02:38] <nevyn_> that'll just work.
[02:39] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: should take care of it.. ;)
[02:39] <nevyn_> is the dlink 510 a wireless card?
[02:39] <nevyn_> with a TI chipset?
[02:39] <schnide> I don't know about TI chipset but it's wireless
[02:39] <alec> can i just 'apt-get install wine'
[02:40] <trey3> scoon, you still around?
[02:40] <nevyn_> schnide: is it labeled AIRplus?
[02:40] <schnide> Um no
[02:40] <schnide> It's a crappy card, but it works
[02:40] <nevyn_> it could be problematic.
[02:40] <tuxJr_14> hi
[02:40] <nevyn_> the router is a seperate computer it'll work fine.
[02:41] <scoon> trey3, yes
[02:41] <scoon> trey3, in xfce4.2.0 btw
[02:41] <trey3> scoon, add input to https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5823 please
[02:41] <tritium> alec, you can do that, but you may want winesetuptk, and wine-doc
[02:41] <schnide> Excellent!  I'm off to order unbuntu then
[02:41] <schnide> Thanks alot guys, much appreciated
[02:41] <schnide> Oh where can I find out about how to dual-boot?
[02:42] <alec> tritium: thanks for that and do you know if adobe illistrator and pagemaker will work with it
[02:42] <tritium> alec, I don't know.  You better check www.winehq.com
[02:42] <tuxJr_14> hey, where can one find winesetuptk? i searched the whole wine site got only to the mailing list archive (or the discussions)
[02:42] <tritium> tuxJr_14, it's in the repos
[02:42] <jcoxon77> hi everyone
[02:43] <tuxJr_14> hi jcoxon77
[02:43] <tritium> tuxJr_14, in universe
[02:43] <alec> tritium: thanks
[02:43] <jcoxon77> just a quick question for those running gnome on hoary
[02:43] <scoon> trey3, i will log out and into gnome and strace it to post.
[02:43] <jcoxon77> the bottom panel - after the upgrade it squashes everything into the left hand corner
[02:43] <jcoxon77> is there a way to make it spread out again?
[02:43] <DonLemmi> MainVoid: Where in the XF..log do i find the lines telling me which values to use for h- and v-refresh?
[02:44] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: Oh, good question.. it's in the EDID section anyway...
[02:44] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: lemme check..
[02:44] <tuxJr_14> jcoxon77: does it not move using the middle mouse dragging?
[02:44] <jcoxon77> tuxJr_14: no
[02:44] <jcoxon77> :)
[02:44] <tritium> jcoxon77, that's not normal, even after upgrading
[02:45] <jcoxon77> its strange - orginally along the panel my programs were spread out
[02:45] <Petaris> Has anyone here had issues with evolution-data- eating massive amounts of memmory?
[02:46] <MainVoid> Petaris: define "massive"... ;)
[02:46] <tritium> jcoxon77, is it just the window list, or the whole panel, that's shoved into the corner?
[02:47] <Petaris> MainVoid: about 400 MB of physical ram
[02:47] <jcoxon77> how do i explain this - the bottom panel allows you to switch between the programs you're running
[02:47] <tuxJr_14> Petaris: whOO000ooo ooops
[02:47] <jcoxon77> originally they were evenly spaced
[02:48] <netmonk> when I try to play dvd the sound is fine, but the picture stops every 3 seconds. Is that "normal" for that stage of development, or I need some serious help to make things work?
[02:48] <Petaris> tuxJr_14: ?
[02:48] <jcoxon77> but now they are grouped together in the left corner so that i can only see the icons and not read the names
[02:48] <tritium> jcoxon77, it's the window list applet that does that.  Does your panel span the entire width of the screen is what I'm asking.
[02:48] <tuxJr_14> Petaris: 400 MB of physical ram
[02:48] <jcoxon77> tritium: yes
[02:48] <jcoxon77> tritium: in the right corner is my trash and also virtual desktop switcher
[02:48] <tritium> jcoxon77, can you right-click on the left edge of the window-list applet?
[02:49] <tritium> and open up the preferences for the Window List
[02:49] <jcoxon77> tritium: sorted
[02:49] <Petaris> tuxJr_14: yeah, and its only evolution-data- doing it, the rest of the evolution programs don't use nearly that much
[02:49] <MainVoid> Petaris: that would be construed as fitting the description of "massive", alright.. :D
[02:49] <tritium> jcoxon77, ?
[02:49] <jcoxon77> tritium: i had to increase the maximum window list size - by default it was 52 pixels
[02:49] <erGoline> hi all!
[02:50] <jcoxon77> not 52, 822 and now its 4096
[02:50] <Petaris> MainVoid: I'll forum post it later, I was just curious if anyone had had this issue before
[02:50] <scoon> trey3, what was that link again ?
[02:50] <superted> anyone else having problems with fasttrack ?
[02:50] <tritium> jcoxon77, okay, so you're fixed now?
[02:50] <jcoxon77> tritium: yeah thanks alot
[02:50] <tritium> :)
[02:50] <MainVoid> Petaris: try filing a bug in bugzilla as well..
[02:50] <scoon> trey3, i tried restarting metacity and strace'ing it but that crashed x.org
[02:50] <trey3> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5823
[02:50] <erGoline> I'm a little problem creating a bootable CD for an "old" system.. someone could give me a little help,  please?
[02:51] <Petaris> MainVoid: I wan't to make sure it is a bug first
[02:51] <MainVoid> Petaris: good point.. ;)
[02:51] <nevyn_> erGoline: define old.
[02:51] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: for some reason, I can't seem to find it.. ;)
[02:52] <erGoline> nevyn_: 3 years old. I test a bootable win98 cd and all goes well.. then I tried ubuntu with 2 differents cd and I give always a "not bootable cd-rom"
[02:52] <nevyn_> meh sleep.
[02:52] <nevyn_> erGoline: shipped cd's?
[02:53] <nevyn_> or downloaded and burned cd's?
[02:53] <erGoline> nevyn_: no, ,self burned
[02:53] <nevyn_> erGoline: you're burning them as iso's?
[02:53] <erGoline> nevyn_: no problem with other pc
[02:53] <nevyn_> hrm
[02:53] <R4lph> Wow, OOo 1.9 is available in Hoary =] 
[02:53] <erGoline> nevyn_: yes, the works ok usually..
[02:53] <nevyn_> is the win98 a "gold edition" too? or is it pressed?
[02:54] <erGoline> nevyn_: win98 is in a original cd
[02:54] <nevyn_> it's possible the drive hates burned cd's...
[02:54] <MainVoid> erGoline: do u know what speed they were burnt at? could be the CD-ROM drive just won't read them..
[02:54] <nevyn_> these things happen
[02:55] <erGoline> nevyn_: I used cd-RW.. I should try with just cd-r
[02:55] <MainVoid> erGoline: if burnt at lower speeds, it should work better.... cd-r or cd-rw depends on the reader..
[02:55] <erGoline> MainVoid: the first try at 10X, the second one at 4X
[02:55] <nevyn_> do you know if the drive reads CD-RW?
[02:55] <nevyn_> like with normal data?
[02:55] <erGoline> nevyn_: no sure about that
[02:55] <nevyn_> erGoline: try a cd-r
[02:55] <MainVoid> erGoline: I'd try a cd-r @ 4x
[02:56] <MainVoid> nevyn_: <g>
[02:56] <nevyn_> erGoline: find somone local who got pressed CD's?
[02:56] <nevyn_> sleep.
[02:57] <MainVoid> PM
[02:57] <nevyn_> meh. it's 1am
[02:57] <MainVoid> nevyn_: just means u r in the wrong time zone.. ;)
[02:57] <gusto_> hehe
[02:57] <nevyn_> no man.. you are.
[02:58] <MainVoid> lol
[02:58] <nevyn_> AEST > *
[02:58] <erGoline> nevyn_, MainVoid: just found a old "Maxex Black" CD-R.. let's trty
[02:58] <MainVoid> GMT rulez...
[02:58] <DonLemmi> MainVoid: Hmm k :) Than i'll stick to what is default with 60Hz *urgs* :)
[02:58] <erGoline> nevyn_: Track-at-once is ok?
[02:58] <gusto_> gmt+1
[02:58] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: hang on..
[02:59] <tuxJr_14> data at once is more likely
[02:59] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: what monitor and model r u using?
[02:59] <tuxJr_14> tao pauses after each track.
[02:59] <MainVoid> gusto_: where u at?
[02:59] <erGoline> tuxJr_14: Disk-at-once or Track-at-once, no other chooses
[02:59] <DonLemmi> MainVoid: CTX-1792E
[03:00] <MainVoid> erGoline: dao..
[03:00] <erGoline> MainVoid: DAO at 4X, ok :)
[03:01] <scoon> trey3, all right.  I added my 2cents worth.
[03:03] <gusto_> MainVoid: norway
[03:04] <MainVoid> gusto_: hejsan hejsan.. en annan r ju svensk da, fast bor i england.. ;)
[03:04] <Phineas> What bittorrent works best on Linux?
[03:05] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: hsync range 0: 30.00 - 95.00
[03:05] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: vsync range 0: 50.00 - 105.00
[03:05] <DonLemmi> k, i'll try that :) thx alot
[03:05] <DonLemmi> where did you get that from?
[03:06] <MainVoid> Phineas: I'm assuming u mean which bittorrent _client_?? ;) I use Azureus..
[03:06] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: Google is great.. ;)
[03:06] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: if u have the manuals left for the monitor, it should be in there too, usually at the end.
[03:07] <Phineas> Main: Yeah, that's what I meant. Thanks.
[03:07] <DonLemmi> Hmm Manual? *g*
[03:07] <DonLemmi> Anyway thx alot
[03:07] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: <g> no probbs.. ;)
[03:08] <DonLemmi> great :) it works now i have 85Hz
[03:08] <MainVoid> kewl!
[03:08] <MainVoid> Another satisfied customer.. ;)
[03:09] <Guardiann> Hello, interesting problem I just recently ran an apt-get update/upgrade, rebooted and now when ever I click on say the xchat window at the the top bar it flashes and moves down the screen. Any Ideas?
[03:10] <MainVoid> Guardiann: others have mentioned problems with metacity in hoary...
[03:10] <Guardiann> oh yeah it must have been caused by the recent apt-get cause 8 hrs ago everything was fine
[03:10] <Guardiann> Thankyou tho
[03:11] <tritium> too bad apt-listbugs isn't working with ubuntu's bugzilla.
[03:11] <Guardiann> :)
[03:11] <MainVoid> Guardiann: no probbs..
[03:12] <Skid> that's odd, cos xchat works fine here using metcity
[03:12] <Phineas> same here
[03:12] <Guardiann> when was the last time you updated
[03:12] <MainVoid> and r u using hoary?
[03:12] <tritium> Skid, version 2.9.5-0ubuntu1 ?
[03:12] <trey3> tritium, file an enhancement? and request it be included in hoary?
[03:12] <Guardiann> xchat was an example it is doing the same with anything I open
[03:13] <tritium> trey3, I've already suggested to developers
[03:13] <Guardiann> MainVoid if that question was for me yes I am using Hoary...and it has been working great
[03:14] <MainVoid> Guardiann: nah, was asking the others.. ;)
[03:14] <Guardiann> ah ok
[03:14] <trey3> Guardiann, if its working... I don't recommend logging out for a while... enless you can help pinpoint problem?
[03:15] <Guardiann> Trey3 ok, I will be going to work soon but will leave this running
[03:15] <tritium> In debian sid, you avoid installing metacity when it broken by using apt-listbugs
[03:16] <trey3> tritium, we are aware of this  ;)
[03:16] <trey3> (well, I am...)
[03:16] <tritium> trey3, not all are
[03:17] <Guardiann> trey3 are you one of the developers?
[03:17] <trey3> Guardiann, nah
[03:18] <Guardiann> hmmm you seem to be fixing many troubles tho
[03:18] <Guardiann> nice work
[03:18] <trey3> tritium, please note... if you don't want bugs... you shouldn't be using hoary... easy as that...
[03:18] <trey3> avoiding bugs doesn't get them fixed faster...
[03:19] <tritium> trey3, all I'm saying is apt-listbugs helps you avoid a broken system
[03:19] <tritium> I can deal with an unstable distribution just fine, and I can tolerate bugs
[03:20] <MainVoid> tritium: how about adding it to the idea pool?
[03:21] <tritium> MainVoid, I'm chatting with Kamion about it right now
[03:21] <tritium> perhaps I will, though
[03:21] <MainVoid> tritium: Kamion? (I'm new around here so, don't know a lot of ppl here yet.. ;) )
[03:21] <trey3> MainVoid, Kamion = a devel  ;)
[03:22] <MainVoid> trey3: hey, now I have a nick at least! someone to chase! poor bugger... ;)
[03:22] <trey3> MainVoid, I believe lower system stuff... (I think he's involved with installer for instance, and is talking about kernel and grub related things right now..)
[03:22] <tritium> MainVoid, don't tell him I referred you ;)
[03:22] <jono> hi all
[03:23] <jono> anyone seen kamion recently?
[03:23] <MainVoid> tritium: I deny all knowledge.. ;)
[03:23] <trey3> MainVoid, want more? *points you at #ubuntu-devel* 8)
[03:23] <trey3> MainVoid, very friendly bunch... most are in here helping fairly often  :)
[03:23] <MainVoid> trey3: r u luring me into the deeper hells of software development here now? ;)
[03:24] <trey3> MainVoid, haha... not at all  8)
[03:24] <spacey_> more people have troubles with the latest hoary update?
[03:24] <MainVoid> trey3: :D
[03:24] <trey3> spacey_, just metacity so far...
[03:24] <Guardiann> not serious trouble :)
[03:24] <spacey_> trey3 yes i think it it metacity, with the windows
[03:24] <trey3> spacey_, seeing same things? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5823
[03:24] <spacey_> it really messes my up my desktop
[03:24] <jcoxon77> hi everyone - i'm getting the same thing
[03:25] <jcoxon77> but xmms works - it uses gtk
[03:25] <jcoxon77> i think oh sorry a bit vague - the metacity problem
[03:25] <spacey_> yes exactly the same
[03:26] <spacey_> mixes up the virtual desktops too
[03:26] <trey3> awww @ users not being able to change topic anymore  :(
[03:26] <spacey_> i hope they fix it quick 0:)
[03:27] <MainVoid> trey3: any ops u know of?
[03:27] <trey3> MainVoid, you can apparently figure it out via chanserv... no idea how though  :/
[03:27] <Bigglez> new to this - have a prob with making an ubuntu cd form an iso file?
[03:27] <tritium> daniels, you can change the topic, can't you?
[03:27] <MainVoid> so, how many lurkers are in here really??
[03:28] <spacey_> good thing i also have a workstation
[03:28] <tritium> here we go
[03:28] <spacey_> heh
[03:28] <daniels> tritium: yes
[03:28] <MainVoid> I see 0 ops, and 311 users.. and about 5 talking.. ;)
[03:28] <spacey_> MainVoid, good thing not everybody talks at once
[03:28] <tritium> I think thom is taking care of it, daniels
[03:28] <MainVoid> lol
[03:28] <trey3> MainVoid, ~290-300 more than likely...
[03:29] <tritium> thanks thom
[03:29] <trey3> Thank you thom  :)
[03:29] <Bigglez> hello, I made an ubuntu cd under Fedora but it won't boot. Can anyone help?
[03:29] <daniels> thom: double pipes look better, but be consistent :)
[03:29] <tritium> thanks daniels
[03:29] <thom> ber
[03:29] <thom> awkard git
[03:29] <trey3> haha
[03:29] <MainVoid> lol
[03:29] <daniels> heh
[03:29] <trey3> daniels, thank you also  :)
[03:30] <daniels> heh, i didn't contribute much
[03:30] <Bigglez> New to IRC, not sure how to ask for help?
[03:30] <MainVoid> right, I gotta head.. catch us all l8r!
[03:30] <jono> daniels, read your blog entry about x.org, sage words my friend :)
[03:30] <topyli> Bigglez: ask away
[03:30] <Bigglez> Hi - having a problem making a boot cd from an iso
[03:30] <MainVoid> Err http://www.mirrorservice.org hoary/main metacity 1:2.9.5-0ubuntu1
[03:30] <MainVoid>   404 Not Found [IP: 212.219.56.162 80] 
[03:31] <trey3> Bigglez, using linux or windows?
[03:31] <MainVoid> Good..
[03:31] <Bigglez> I am in Fedora 1 and I used cdrecord to burn the warty iso, but it won't boot
[03:31] <trey3> Bigglez, what did you enter for cdrecord?
[03:31] <MainVoid> right, I'm off.. bye!
[03:31] <trey3> Seemed to be error free?
[03:31] <crypticreign> ubuntu doesnt recognize my cd burner.. i think there is a kernel option to pass at boot, but cant remember
[03:32] <Bigglez> cdrecord dev=0,0,0 -v warty-install-i386.iso
[03:32] <tritium> daniels, maybe this metacity problem is really one of those problems in xorg waiting to surface ;)
[03:32] <Bigglez> It wrote the cd - I can mount it ok.
[03:32] <trey3> crypticreign, lsmod | grep ide-cd
[03:32] <trey3> crypticreign, anything returned?
[03:32] <crypticreign> trey3: no
[03:33] <Bigglez> Trey3 - I used: cdrecord dev=0,0,0 -v warty-install-i386.iso
[03:33] <Hannes__> Some repos broken?
[03:33] <trey3> Bigglez, ahh... 2.4 kernel... yay... need '--data' though... to burn raw... not sure what -v does?
[03:33] <Bigglez> Ah.. gimme a mo to go and man - thanks
[03:33] <trey3> crypticreign, modprobe ide-cd ... also but this into /etc/modules for later reboots
[03:34] <Hannes__> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libb/libbtctl/libbtctl1_0.4.1-1ubuntu3_i386.deb
[03:34] <Hannes__>   404 Not Found
[03:34] <crypticreign> trey3: ok
[03:34] <trey3> crypticreign, not sure why its not loaded though?
[03:34] <crypticreign> trey3: i did that, and then ran lsmod | grep ide-cd
[03:34] <crypticreign> but its not listed still
[03:34] <trey3> crypticreign, maybe its ide_cd via lsmod...
[03:35] <trey3> crypticreign, didn't say it was already loaded though?
[03:35] <tritium> it is
[03:35] <crypticreign> ah yes
[03:35] <crypticreign> trey3: it says it is loaded and it has been
[03:35] <Bigglez> Trey3 - It says -data is default anyway. -v is verbose. What do you reckon -data does?
[03:35] <trey3> crypticreign, hmm... how do you know its not working then?
[03:35] <trey3> Bigglez, --data = raw burn...
[03:35] <crypticreign> trey3: i remember having to pass some option special for 2.6 kernel
[03:36] <crypticreign> like scsi=ide or something
[03:36] <trey3> crypticreign, that was it... (used to be ide-scsi for 2.4)
[03:36] <trey3> crypticreign, nope... thats 2.4 specific... was a pain back then  :/
[03:37] <crypticreign> hmm
[03:37] <Bigglez> Trey3 - Okay. Anything else I should do to ensure a bootable cd?
[03:37] <trey3> Bigglez, thats all I ever use (cdrecord dev=blah speed=blah --data blah.iso) ... should work...
[03:38] <trey3> Bigglez, never had a bad cd... so yeah  :)
[03:38] <Bigglez> Thanks tonnes! I hope to be running Ubuntu real soon. Cheers
[03:38] <crypticreign> trey3: my burning program, graveman, says it cant find a cd burner
[03:38] <trey3> Bigglez, you're welcome, and good luck  :)
[03:39] <trey3> crypticreign, never heard of graveman?
[03:39] <daniels> jono: heh, thanks dude
[03:39] <daniels> mainrun sudo apt-get update
[03:40] <tritium> crypticreign, does graveman use cdrecord?
[03:40] <crypticreign> tritium: yes
[03:40] <tritium> crypticreign, if it does, try "cdrecord dev=ATAPI: --scanbus"
[03:40] <tritium> then you can configure cdrecord
[03:41] <tritium> assuming it finds your CD burner
[03:41] <crypticreign> all i get is
[03:41] <crypticreign> scsidev: 'ATAPI:'
[03:41] <crypticreign> devname: 'ATAPI'
[03:41] <crypticreign> scsibus: -1 target: -1 lun: -1
[03:41] <trey3> crypticreign, then its working...
[03:42] <trey3> eh... wait... nm... thats not saying anything about device...
[03:42] <crypticreign> hdc=ide-scsi is what i used to have to pass at boot
[03:42] <tritium> crypticreign, that's not necessary with 2.6 kernel
[03:42] <trey3> crypticreign, like I said... thats not needed for 2.6 kernels... due to ide-cd
[03:42] <crypticreign> ok
[03:42] <rcaskey_> what's the name of the desktop metapackage?
[03:43] <Pluk> ubuntu-desktop
[03:43] <rcaskey_> is it not in main?
[03:44] <rcaskey_> i did a hoary install, interrupted the config process, edited my sources.list, apt-get update
[03:44] <rcaskey_> but the only ubuntu stuff it shows are the kernel, libc6, the wallpapers, and base
[03:44] <Pluk> its in base
[03:44] <rcaskey_> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop doesn't like it
[03:45] <tritium> crypticreign, cdrecord never returned anything further?
[03:45] <crypticreign> nope
[03:45] <trey3> crypticreign, just for kicks (and because I get different results with each) ... try 'sudo cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc -scanbus'
[03:45] <crypticreign> trey3:      1,0,0   100) 'HP      ' 'CD-Writer+ 9300 ' '1.0c' Removable CD-ROM
[03:45] <trey3> crypticreign, ok... then it *is* working...
[03:45] <rcaskey_> :d
[03:46] <trey3> crypticreign, which means its a software issue with *that_app_you_said*
[03:46] <crypticreign> oh hmm
[03:46] <crypticreign> ok
[03:46] <crypticreign> well i guess ill have to install k3b
[03:46] <trey3> crypticreign, might want to try xcdroast instead
[03:46] <crypticreign> that burns cd's from mp3?
[03:46] <trey3> crypticreign, head good things (for instance its *very* fast
[03:47] <rcaskey_> root@cherubino:/var/cache/apt/archives # cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:47] <rcaskey_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse restricted
[03:47] <rcaskey_> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse restricted
[03:47] <trey3> crypticreign, should yes... cdrecord itself can do that too though...
[03:47] <Pluk> thats all rcaskey_ ?
[03:47] <rcaskey_> yeah
[03:47] <tritium> crypticreign, you can also try editing /etc/default/cdrecord to match the info you just got from the bus scan
[03:47] <rcaskey_> that's a I should noeed
[03:47] <trey3> rcaskey_, indeed... most aren't used to seen a clean sources.list though  ;)
[03:47] <trey3> seeing*
[03:48] <rcaskey_> trey: I promise I'm not crazy
[03:48] <ermo> rcaskey_, 'cross my heart, scout honour style'?
[03:48] <Pluk> well your missing the main part in it?
[03:48] <tritium> rcaskey_, where's main?
[03:48] <Pluk> http://www.pastebin.com/232830 heres mine
[03:48] <trey3> rcaskey_, haha... you apt-get update'd?  (stupid question)  ... and you're not finding 'ubuntu-desktop'?
[03:48] <crypticreign> trey3: yeah, it says something about yamaha and looks incorrect
[03:49] <Pluk> also good to have hoary-security in it
[03:49] <trey3> crypticreign, 'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc --audio file.mp3 file1.mp3 file3.mp3'
[03:50] <crypticreign> trey3: xcdroast says it cannot find a cd-writer
[03:50] <trey3> crypticreign, blah...
[03:50] <tritium> crypticreign, xcdroast depends on cdrecord
[03:50] <tritium> crypticreign, configure cdrecord
[03:51] <trey3> crypticreign, in 2.6.8 there is a bug related to burning as user (Alan Cox thinks its possible to physically break discs, and is probably right...)
[03:51] <trey3> tritium, its not that dude... its working as root... hence prior statement...
[03:51] <crypticreign> trey3: i tried as root :)
[03:51] <trey3> crypticreign, same thing?
[03:51] <crypticreign> yeah
[03:52] <trey3> crypticreign, thats weird... cdrecord itself is saying this now?
[03:52] <crypticreign> it wont write the config once i do cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc -scanbus
[03:52] <crypticreign> ??
[03:52] <tritium> no
[03:52] <crypticreign> trey3: says the same, found the device
[03:52] <tritium> crypticreign, you need to edit /etc/default/cdrecord to configure it permanently
[03:52] <trey3> tritium, I didn't even know there was a config file for cdrecord...  :/
[03:53] <rcaskey_> ahh
[03:53] <trey3> learn something new every day I guess  :/
[03:53] <trey3> haha
[03:53] <rcaskey_> ahh, no main
[03:53] <tritium> trey3, "dpkg -L cdrecord" ;)
[03:53] <tritium> rcaskey_, that's what we told you above
[03:53] <trey3> tritium, always works... no need to fiddle  :/
[03:53] <crypticreign> tritium: CDR_DEVICE= is set to yamaha... should that be set to /dev/hdc ?
[03:53] <Pluk> :D
[03:53] <rcaskey_> tritium: i just saw your post
[03:53] <tritium> rcaskey_, okay :)
[03:53] <rcaskey_> I got pulld outside for a minute
[03:54] <rcaskey_> I wonder why it didnt have main
[03:54] <Pluk> rcaskey_, also put hoary-security in it
[03:54] <rcaskey_> I guess it gets added after the first intall from cd
[03:54] <tritium> crypticreign, not exactly
[03:54] <rcaskey_> Pluk: I will, thanks
[03:54] <trey3> rcaskey_, if you put hoary-security ... just comment it... its empty  :/
[03:54] <tritium> crypticreign, look at the bottom of that file.
[03:54] <rcaskey_> actually I might just point to sed
[03:54] <trey3> rcaskey_, while you're at it... add hoary-updates and comment that too  :/
[03:55] <crypticreign> tritium: ok
[03:55] <tritium> yamaha is device 1,5,0
[03:55] <crypticreign> yep
[03:55] <rcaskey_> trey3: noone would forget updates ;)
[03:55] <tritium> what were your numbers?
[03:55] <crypticreign> tritium: 1.5.0  -1  -1  ""
[03:55] <trey3> rcaskey_, what you have is all you need till release though...  :/
[03:55] <rcaskey_> trey3: If I point it to sed I will be good ad infinitum
[03:56] <prego> who sets motif applications colors?
[03:56] <crypticreign> tritium: oh oh, 1.0.0 for MY device
[03:56] <tritium> crypticreign, make an entry with those numbers.  give it a name
[03:56] <prego> oh, I see, /etc/gnome/config
[03:57] <tritium> then make CDR_DEVICE=name-you-choose
[03:57] <prego> how do I know whose package a file belongs?
[03:57] <crypticreign> tritium: ok
[03:57] <trey3> prego, in what context?
[03:57] <prego> (in rpm based systems: rpm -qf /etc/shadow)
[03:57] <crypticreign> tritium: then what?
[03:57] <tritium> crypticreign, here's mine as an example: toshiba=  ATAPI:0,1,0   -1      -1      ""
[03:58] <trey3> prego, 'apt-cache show pkg | grep Maintainer'  ?
[03:58] <tritium> then see if programs that use cdrecord can find the cd burner now
[03:58] <trey3> prego, ahh... bah... dpkg -L pkg
[03:58] <trey3> prego, sorry... not thinking today
[03:58] <trey3> prego, really not thinking... haha
[03:58] <trey3> prego, dpkg -S pkg
[03:58] <trey3> final answer  8)
[03:58] <crypticreign> tritium: no
[03:58] <klaym> what's the application launcher command to set the program straight to tray?
[03:58] <prego> trey3: think is a good think to do  :-P
[03:58] <crypticreign> tritium: netierh graveman or xcdroast
[03:59] <trey3> dpkg -S file even  :/
[03:59] <crypticreign> *neither
[03:59] <tritium> crypticreign, you saved your file?
[03:59] <crypticreign> tritium: yes
[03:59] <tritium> did you use ATAPI:1,0,0 ?
[03:59] <crypticreign> oh no
[04:00] <prego> does anyone know if there is the possibility to set up more xrdb rules, but user based instead of system based?
[04:00] <prego> I mean, long time ago, there was the .grdb dir
[04:00] <prego> at the user account
[04:00] <trey3> prego, hah... don't even know what that is  :o
[04:00] <crypticreign> tritium: still didnt work
[04:00] <crypticreign> tritium: i have hp=             ATAPI:1,0,0    -1      -1      ""
[04:01] <tritium> crypticreign, one last try: "cdrecord dev=ATA: --scanbus"
[04:01] <tritium> that's ATA, not ATAPI
[04:01] <tritium> if that works, change it in the config file too.
[04:01] <tritium> if not, I'm out of ideas
[04:02] <Gladiak> hi everyone
[04:02] <crypticreign> tritium: it keeps trying to open /dev/hda
[04:02] <tritium> okay, sorry.  I can't think of anything else to try.
[04:02] <crypticreign> :(
[04:02] <Gladiak> i've a question...i installed a warty ubuntu....where can i find a 2.6.9 or 2.6.10 kernel ?
[04:02] <crypticreign> ok
[04:02] <crypticreign> thanks
[04:02] <tritium> sorry
[04:02] <tritium> Gladiak, not in Warty...
[04:03] <Gladiak> argh...only in hoary ?
[04:03] <tritium> yeah
[04:03] <Gladiak> mmm
[04:03] <Gladiak> pretty stable ?
[04:03] <tritium> you could always compile your own
[04:03] <Gladiak> i know :/
[04:03] <tritium> Gladiak, yeah, except for a current metacity bug that's being looked at as we speak
[04:04] <Gladiak> mmm ok i'll search for a source.list for upgrade
[04:04] <tritium> a dist-upgrade at this time might leave you with a screwy window manager
[04:04] <Gladiak> :)
[04:04] <Gladiak> mmm
[04:04] <Gladiak> i'll wait
[04:04] <Gladiak> ^^"
[04:05] <Gladiak> i ask for a new kernel because i have a bad acpi problem
[04:05] <Gladiak> :(((
[04:05] <tritium> Oh...
[04:06] <Gladiak> acpi can't see the power changes
[04:06] <tritium> acpi and power management is quite good in Hoary
[04:07] <Gladiak> not so much trey :P
[04:07] <trey3> Gladiak, haha... you tried the hoary packages?
[04:07] <Gladiak> not yet
[04:07] <trey3> Gladiak, eh... wait no... you're using warty... I should pay attention
[04:08] <Gladiak> :)
[04:08] <Gladiak> but i'm thinking to upgradeto it
[04:08] <topyli> Gladiak: you could upgrade just the kernel, apt might pull in some other packages. but that shouldn't break too much.
[04:08] <trey3> Gladiak, I recommend waiting until the metacity mention in the topic is gone  ;)
[04:08] <Gladiak> mmm topyli i'll try
[04:09] <Gladiak> yes trey3 i know :P
[04:09] <tritium> there's a possible fix for the metacity bug
[04:09] <tritium> being discussed by the developers right now
[04:09] <topyli> tritium: apt-get install fvwm2 :)
[04:09] <tritium> topyli, ha ha
[04:09] <Gladiak> topyli, could you tell me the repos for hoary ?
[04:10] <topyli> Gladiak: just edit your sources.list. change all wartys to hoarys :)
[04:10] <Gladiak> lol
[04:10] <Gladiak> sorry
[04:10] <Pluk> Gladiak, http://pastebin.com/232830
[04:10] <Gladiak> pretty simple
[04:10] <tritium> apparently un-checking "Separate group for each window" in the "Laouts" tab of the Keyboard capplet fixes it for some.
[04:11] <tritium> "Layouts", that is
[04:12] <tritium> that's pretty strange if that ends up being the fix
[04:13] <scoon> topyli, i really bet they are apt-getting openbox ;)
[04:13] <topyli> scoon: but openbox is still young and might be buggy. i'd go for fvwm2
[04:14] <scoon> topyli, nah, i have used it for over a year.
[04:14] <scoon> topyli, it is quite stable.
[04:14] <scoon> topyli, even used it all by its lonesome
[04:14] <trey3> Whoever mentioned the "possible fix" no luck here...
[04:15] <trey3> But I found another way to reproduce  8)   alt f7 and move mouse
[04:15] <topyli> scoon: yeah, but some have been running fvwm2 for billions of years :)
[04:15] <trey3> yeah... I guess thats covered by "metacity interaction" though
[04:15] <scoon> topyli, i'd like to see that crusty penguin ;)
[04:16] <topyli> scoon: i think you'd rather find a philosophical gnu =)
[04:16] <klaym> any hint on where to find nice minimalistic wallpapers?
[04:16] <trey3> klaym, 'ubuntu-calendar'  8)
[04:17] <trey3> klaym, art.gnome.org also  :)
[04:17] <trey3> I think there's even some on www.gnome-look.org?
[04:17] <klaym> ok. thanks
[04:17] <topyli> klaym: drag a pattern from the nautilus to the desktop ;)
[04:17] <klaym> yea, I've actually browsed both of them through
[04:17] <neofeed> has anyone else experienced firefox crashes on Hoary's Xorg? And other strange things. like fonts beeing in part blue or yellow?
[04:17] <klaym> ;)
[04:18] <neofeed> Sometimes the text-parts are screwed ( half overwritten ), or button(menu) jump when you mouseover them...
[04:18] <tritium> trey3, no luck with the keyboard layout fix attempt?
[04:19] <trey3> tritium, nope
[04:19] <tritium> oh wel
[04:19] <tritium> well
[04:19] <trey3> even restarted X with setting in place (as thats how I got it to start reproducing here...)
[04:20] <tritium> trey3, maybe you should tell Treenaks
[04:21] <tritium> that it didn't work for you
[04:21] <topyli> klaym: I'm using the "green weave" pattern right now :)
[04:21] <klaym> so which pattern you dragged?
[04:22] <klaym> I mean how?
[04:22] <pybe> klaym: bit late but try this >> http://browse.deviantart.com/wallpaper/minimalistic/?view=1&order=5&limit=24
[04:23] <klaym> pybe: thanks, browsed through that too :)
[04:23] <klaym> I think I'll just make my own
[04:26] <topyli> klaym: in nautilus, choose edit->backgrounds and emblems. you can drag them anywhere
[04:27] <klaym> topyli: ok
[04:27] <madsen> Ok, got a SiS gfx card and problems with DRI. Does _anyone_ know _anything_ related to that?
[04:27] <trey3> madsen, what card?
[04:27] <madsen> And the error: Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:28] <madsen> trey3: Hang on a sec...
[04:28] <madsen> trey3: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  65x/M650/740 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter
[04:28] <trey3> madsen, I used to have a 630 ... no DRI support for that... no idea with 740 though
[04:29] <daniels> er, iirc the 630 is supported for dri with xorg
[04:29] <madsen> trey3: Hmm... So... No hope for anything OpenGL?
[04:29] <trey3> daniels, wasn't in XFree86 4.2.1  ;)
[04:29] <trey3> daniels, might have to break that box out again though to see what gains DRI has... not supported on this Trident Cyberblade il afaik?
[04:30] <daniels> trey3: er, I don't think there's any Trident DRI
[04:30] <madsen> trey3: No GL screensavers work here and TuxRacer is pure lag. :/
[04:30] <daniels> i wanted to get a Trident card off eBay, but the AGP card went for $26.5, which is way too expensive
[04:31] <daniels> (given the FireGL was only about $50, and the crappy horrendous Ark card is only going for about $2.5, which is exactly what it's worth)
[04:31] <tritium> daniels, you know I was joking about the metacity bug being an xorg problem.  I was just amused by your blog.
[04:31] <madsen> trey3: However, glxgears reports "935 frames in 5.0 seconds = 187.000 FPS"
[04:31] <neofeed> http://mdot.mine.nu/~moritz/font.png --- what did I do wrong?
[04:32] <trey3> daniels, haha... yeah... I should probably invest in a better graphics card... college student though  :/
[04:32] <trey3> daniels, barely can pay for food and accessories... let alone hardware upgrades  ;)
[04:33] <madsen> trey3: Hmm, you got any suggestions? Shouldn't the GL screensavers work?
[04:34] <tritium> trey3, don't forget books :)
[04:34] <klaym> ubuntu comes with totem movie player installed, but is xine installed too?
[04:34] <tritium> klaym, no, but it can be installed
[04:34] <trey3> tritium, eh... thats included in tuition  8)
[04:34] <tritium> trey3, ah, okay
[04:34] <madsen> klaym: Nope, but it is installable.
[04:34] <klaym> yea I'm looking at the ubuntuguide, and just wondered if it's already installed
[04:34] <daniels> trey3: i got my r200 (radeon 8500) for $us20 off ebay at the time, and it's a very capable card
[04:34] <tritium> klaym, no, it's not
[04:35] <trey3> daniels, you should get me one for my bday  8)  only like uhh.... just shy of 2 months away  ;)
[04:35] <klaym> ok
[04:35] <MainVoid> trey3: got my Radeon 9600 SE for 25.00 GBP ...
[04:36] <daniels> (at the time -> a year ago)
[04:36] <randabis-laptop> this chick on tv is hot..hehehe
[04:37] <trey3> MainVoid, eh... money seriously doesn't even last the week... internet > nice video card...
[04:37] <MainVoid> trey3: it's not bad... does the job, definitely... and for that money, it was an easy choice..
[04:37] <madsen> Hmm, ok, but shouldn't the GL screensavers work - even on a SIS 740?
[04:38] <trey3> madsen, bother daniels, eventually he will answer  ;)
[04:39] <randabis-laptop> I want GL screensavers on my SMI intergrated graphics lol
[04:39] <madsen> trey3: Ok... :)
[04:40] <madsen> daniels: I will now officially bother you (on trey3's recommendation) until you tell me whether or not the GL screensavers should work with a SiS 740. ;)
[04:40] <snowblink> Hi. Is FOP available somewhere via apt?
[04:40] <MainVoid> snowblink: FOP?
[04:40] <daniels> madsen: i have no idea
[04:41] <madsen> daniels: Crap! :(
[04:41] <alainm> how do i change the setting that colapses all the similar item in the application bar at the bottom?
[04:41] <snowblink> MainVoid: http://xml.apache.org/fop/
[04:41] <madsen> When DRI is enabled in XF86Config-4 and glxinfo still says "indirect rendering" there's no hope... Or?
[04:43] <MainVoid> snowblink: ah.. never seen that one b4.. looks interesting..
[04:43] <no0tic> desperatly in search of metacity deb
[04:43] <snowblink> alainm: right click on the dotted thing just to the left of your windows on the bottom bar
[04:43] <snowblink> alainm: preferences
[04:44] <alainm> perfect.. thank you so much
[04:44] <trey3> no0tic, there are several in the archive...  :/
[04:44] <randabis-laptop> it's the little things that make you crazy, like the thought of someone touching your skin
[04:44] <snowblink> MainVoid: very cool for making PDFs from XML files
[04:45] <alainm> i love ubuntu
[04:45] <snowblink> MainVoid: any ideas how to get it via apt?
[04:45] <alainm> it just works
[04:47] <redfun> is this right? root      3974  3.4  6.6 170964 34440 ?        R    12:25   0:43      \_ /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/
[04:47] <redfun> I've got 512MBs of ram.
[04:47] <trey3> no0tic, 2.9.3 still works... (just installed it, --force-all)
[04:47] <LinuxJones> bah winter sucks...I just shoveled an 8 foot snow drift from my back door :(
[04:48] <snowblink> LinuxJones: blizzard?
[04:48] <redfun> 170964 is a bit too much or not? :-)
[04:48] <LinuxJones> snowblink, yeah
[04:48] <LinuxJones> snowblink, 65 cm of snow and 100 km/hr winds
[04:48] <Gladiak> in italy we haven't snow :(
[04:48] <Gladiak> :
[04:48] <snowblink> LinuxJones: but at least you have a net connection and power!
[04:49] <LinuxJones> snowblink, my cable flicked off twice last night for 5 mins each time so i guess I am lucky :D
[04:49] <godsmoke> storm?
[04:49] <MainVoid> snowblink: yeah, sure looks quite useful, especially if u want to create pdf files on the fly on a web site for example..
[04:50] <snowblink> MainVoid: doesn't look like it's in any of the repositories I've checked
[04:50] <Gladiak> bb man
[04:50] <MainVoid> snowblink: I haven't seen it either...
[04:50] <MainVoid> snowblink: Though, should be easy to install by hand, I'd suppose...
[04:51] <snowblink> MainVoid: yup. Just checking first...
[04:51] <MainVoid> snowblink: definitely.. ;) easy choices 1st.... ;)
[04:51] <alainm> is there a tool to manage my wireless connection, ie i want to change the SSID i connect to?
[04:52] <godsmoke> alainm: there is a config tool in gnome -- and you can use iwconfig
[04:52] <alainm> what is the name of the gnome tool?
[04:52] <godsmoke> "Network Config"
[04:52] <godsmoke> it's in the system menu or something
[04:53] <alainm> ah... that works properly now that i have upgraded to hoarty
[04:53] <godsmoke> huh?
[04:53] <MainVoid> "Networking" ...
[04:53] <trey3> no0tic, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/metacity/
[04:53] <MainVoid> ... is what it is called on my system ...
[04:54] <godsmoke> MainVoid: very possible -- I'm not sitting at a computer running gnome
[04:54] <trey3> no0tic, install 2.9.3
[04:54] <alainm> godsmoke: previously it only thought my wireless card was an ethernet and didn't about me to change anything
[04:54] <godsmoke> alainm: well -- you don't need to upgrade to hoary to fix that -- I'm sure a little poking around wouldn've been fine
[04:54] <trey3> (only metacity is needed... libmetacity doesn't seem to care...)
[04:55] <tritium> I already pointed him to the pool
[04:56] <godsmoke> so quiet in here ...
[04:56] <trey3> tritium, he said it didn't work for him where you pointed him to...
[04:59] <jono> hi all
[04:59] <LinuxJones> hi jono
[04:59] <jono> hey LinuxJones
[05:00] <LinuxJones> jono was awesome to have Mark Shuttleworth on LUG Radio ;D
[05:00] <jono> LinuxJones, cheers :) it was fun to do :)
[05:01] <jono> on the next episode we will hopefully be having jdub if he is still cool to do it :)
[05:01] <jdub> totally
[05:01] <LinuxJones> jono, I was jsut going to suggest that :D
[05:01] <jono> :)
[05:01] <jdub> i'm going to be enormously hung over
[05:01] <jono> jdub, cool, I will make a point of shouting down the phone :P
[05:01] <jdub> australia day on 26th -> 7am interview on 27th
[05:02] <randabis-laptop> I'll volunteer to call in as the random ubuntu fanboy!
[05:02] <randabis-laptop> lol
[05:04] <MagicFab> hello
[05:04] <randabis-laptop> olleh
[05:04] <MagicFab> does anyone know of a bittorrent site for the latest hoary CD release ?
[05:04] <jono> jdub, well we can record your interview a bit later if that is more convenient, maybe 9pm GMT ?
[05:04] <randabis-laptop> I don't think anyone has started a tracker for it
[05:04] <MagicFab> it's a drag to d/l via FTP/HTTP
[05:05] <randabis-laptop> heh FTP/HTTP is a lot faster for me than BT
[05:05] <godsmoke|lap> ...
[05:05] <jdub> jono: possibly a good idea, let me know if you can
[05:05] <godsmoke|lap> the protocol doesn't define a speed maximum
[05:05] <jono> jdub, yeah, that is no problem
[05:06] <jono> jdub, could you mail me your phone number to call you on, or I can send you my number if you would prefer to call me instead
[05:06] <randabis-laptop> maybe not, but that doesn't change how it performs like ass on my network
[05:06] <sanochaor> wenas
[05:06] <godsmoke|lap> randabis-laptop: it's possible you didn't poke holes in your firewall?
[05:06] <randabis-laptop> my ports are forwarded correctly
[05:06] <godsmoke|lap> ok
[05:06] <godsmoke|lap> well -- then that's strange
[05:07] <godsmoke|lap> because only on torrents am I able to max out my 8Mb down
[05:07] <randabis-laptop> my problem is I end up sending A LOT more than I receive and it boggles down my whole connection
[05:07] <godsmoke|lap> well, it takes time for the torrent to equalize and get up to speed
[05:08] <randabis-laptop> but it NEVER equalizes no matter how many different trackers I've tried
[05:08] <godsmoke|lap> hrm
[05:08] <tritium> no0tic, you ignored my attmempt to send you the needed files
[05:08] <godsmoke|lap> what client are you using?
[05:08] <randabis-laptop> I've used several..the standard one, bittornado, azureus, abc, etc
[05:09] <godsmoke|lap> hmm -- don't know what to tell you
[05:09] <godsmoke|lap> I don't know anyone who's had that experience
[05:09] <trey3> godsmoke, what are you using that is maxing out your 8mb down?
[05:09] <godsmoke|lap> trey3: using?
[05:09] <randabis-laptop> I like the protocol, but it just doesn't run well for me
[05:09] <godsmoke|lap> we were talking about torrent speeds
[05:09] <trey3> godsmoke, which bittorrent client...
[05:11] <godsmoke|lap> trey3: all clients can negotiate those speeds -- but I use ABC mostly
[05:11] <no0tic> tritium: I was on irssi, and I didn't know how to use it... sorry
[05:12] <tritium> no0tic, no problem.  I was just trying to help.
[05:12] <ja__> Help!, how to restart gdm?
[05:12] <no0tic> tritium: thank you very much
[05:12] <tritium> no problem.  Glad you're up and running again.
[05:12] <mischa> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:12] <randabis-laptop> ctrl alt backspace should restart gdm
[05:12] <godsmoke|lap> ja__: ctrl-alt-backspace to restart X
[05:12] <no0tic> tritium: eventually I downgraded to 2.9.1
[05:12] <randabis-laptop> or that
[05:12] <tritium> no0tic, why not 2.9.3?
[05:13] <no0tic> tritium: I found 2.9.1 on my array2 cd
[05:13] <tritium> I see.
[05:13] <tritium> are you in xchat now?
[05:13] <ja__> godsmoke|lap: but i have prblem with my windows, the "top" of my windows disappeared :S
[05:13] <tritium> if you want me to send you 2.9.3, I will
[05:13] <no0tic> tritium: yes
[05:13] <godsmoke|lap> ja__: your window manager is dead
[05:13] <no0tic> tritium: thanks, then
[05:13] <tritium> okay
[05:13] <ja__> godsmoke|lap: how to restart it?
[05:13] <trey3> no0tic, ps, don't forget to hold metacity... else it'll just keep trying to upgrade...
[05:14] <godsmoke|lap> ja__: are you using gnome? -- start metacity
[05:14] <godsmoke|lap> XOrg had major issues on my laptop the other day
[05:14] <ja__> godsmoke|lap: yes, i'm using Gnome
[05:14] <godsmoke|lap> start metacity, I said
[05:14] <godsmoke|lap> did you restart X?
[05:14] <godsmoke|lap> it should handle all of that
[05:14] <jono> when I shut my laptop down with hoary, the system seems to switch off but the power is still on - is this a kernel issue?
[05:14] <ja__> Yes i did ctrl-alt-backspace
[05:15] <trey3> ja__, upgraded hoary today?  :S
[05:15] <randabis-laptop> my laptop turns off...
[05:15] <trey3> jono, what?
[05:15] <LinuxJones> godsmoke|lap, you have a repo for abc ?
[05:15] <godsmoke|lap> ja__: then you should be able to log in again -- you should be at a gdm screen
[05:15] <godsmoke|lap> LinuxJones: no ...
[05:15] <no0tic> trey: right
[05:15] <mischa> ja:better go to term ctrl-alt-f1 and do a sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:15] <LBM> take a look at the topic guys
[05:15] <LinuxJones> godsmoke|lap, okie
[05:15] <no0tic> tritium: thanks again
[05:16] <no0tic> tritium: Will I need libmetacity0 2.9.3 too?
[05:16] <trey3> no0tic, no
[05:16] <jono> trey3, well I shut it down, and the screen switches off and it appears on the screen that it is off, but the power is still on
[05:16] <tritium> no0tic, I think trench has said not
[05:16] <tritium> not trench, trey
[05:16] <tritium> trey3
[05:16] <randabis-laptop> jono must be your laptop I guess...mine shuts off when shutting down
[05:17] <godsmoke|lap> jono: are you doing a halt?
[05:17] <jono> randabis, this used to work with warty, but not hoary it seems
[05:17] <randabis-laptop> I'm running hoary as well
[05:17] <jono> godsmoke, I am clicking on shutdown in gdm
[05:17] <mischa> mwe too
[05:17] <godsmoke|lap> oh
[05:17] <tritium> trey3, that was funny
[05:18] <trey3> tritium, hehe  8)
[05:18] <mischa> and ja__, is it working.....now :)
[05:18] <ja__> I rebotted and nothing happened but i wrote "metacity" i terminal and now it works =] 
[05:18] <stvn> jono: ssame happens here
[05:18] <maldito> Hello everyone.
[05:18] <mischa> :)
[05:19] <ja__> I had the same problem with xfce few days ago =] 
[05:19] <stvn> jono: but i did a bios update and blamed the update, never bothered investigating it any further
[05:19] <maldito> I have a question regarding my laptop and my memory
[05:19] <mischa> sav eyou session now i guiss...
[05:19] <jono> stvn, I will file a bug and then you can maybe add comments
[05:19] <ja__> I'm using Hoary so i have some problems all the time ;)
[05:19] <stvn> jono: ok, give the number once you filed it
[05:19] <ja__> Ok, thx for help, bye bye =)
[05:19] <jono> stvn, sure
[05:20] <mischa> ja: me too, but running fine sofar...
[05:20] <no0tic> trey3: can I upgrade libmetacity to 2.9.5 safely?
[05:20] <randabis-laptop> I've had a very good hoary experience...don't think I've had any problems really...other than the theme manager not working a few days ago
[05:20] <Pluk> jono, check /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn you might want to change it to powerbtn.sh
[05:20] <trey3> no0tic, should be fine... I have libmetacity 2.9.5 and metacity 2.9.3 installed right now...
[05:21] <trey3> no0tic, issue is gone...
[05:21] <mischa> randabis-laptop: why can't i use the application:/// link in nautilus in hoary..??
[05:21] <auto> hello
[05:21] <auto> had a quick question
[05:21] <randabis-laptop> oh that's another thing
[05:21] <stvn> Pluk: powerbutton.sh doesn't seem to shut my laptop down completely either
[05:21] <auto> when i upgraded to hoary i lost the email checker applet
[05:21] <randabis-laptop> you can't use it because the way gnome does menus has changed
[05:21] <auto> is there anyway to get it back?
[05:21] <maldito> how do I get my kernel to use all of my memory?
[05:21] <mischa> how can i edit my menu now?
[05:22] <randabis-laptop> mischa it's a nasty procedure...it's possible but I haven't been able to stomach all the reading it takes at freedesktop.org
[05:22] <mischa> aha...
[05:22] <Pluk> stvn, ah ok. its just cuz if i close the lid its set to only shut the screen off
[05:23] <LinuxJones> maldito, the kernel is very good @ using only the resources it needs
[05:23] <Pluk> maybe its the same with jono
[05:23] <stvn> mischa: basically you need to add a .desktop at the proper place ;)
[05:23] <mischa> randabis-laptop: must i wait till they are ready?
[05:23] <maldito> I have a gig of ram and it complains and tells me to use a himem kernel
[05:23] <mischa> not in hoary
[05:23] <madsen> Help! Again...
[05:23] <LinuxJones> maldito, are you running hoary ?
[05:23] <randabis-laptop> mischa I believe an applet or something is being made to handle the menus to make it easier, not sure
[05:23] <maldito> it only loads up 900MB
[05:24] <mischa> stvn:smal example?
[05:24] <jono> stvn, #5828
[05:24] <stvn> jono: ta
[05:24] <maldito> I am new to ubuntu, moved over from fedora
[05:24] <randabis-laptop> trey3 since when?
[05:24] <mischa> randabis-laptop:aha
[05:24] <madsen> We've given up on OpenGL and are now trying to make the freaking thing do something as simple as to play a cd... Gnome-cd just hangs and grip plays but doesn't output a sound! (?)
[05:24] <jono> Pluk, hmmm
[05:25] <LinuxJones> maldito, cat /proc/meminfo | grep MemTotal
[05:25] <trey3> randabis, like I said... I take that back... getting confused with help being given to warty and hoary users  ;)
[05:25] <jono> I dont get any suspend/resume on this laptop either
[05:25] <randabis-laptop> hehe
[05:26] <jono> brb
[05:26] <mischa> randabis-laptop: have you got suspend/resume going on you laptop?
[05:26] <randabis-laptop> haven't tried so I'm not sure
[05:26] <stvn> mischa: I wrote a .desktop for qgis, the file and the procedure is at: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1084647&group_id=55820&atid=478378
[05:27] <randabis-laptop> well actually I think it did work, but I've since then turned off power management
[05:27] <randabis-laptop> I'm plugged into the wall because my battery is dead
[05:27] <mischa> mine to :)
[05:27] <stvn> mischa: ignore the bit about mime and xml
[05:27] <mischa> dell :)
[05:27] <mischa> stvn:ok, tanx
[05:27] <randabis-laptop> gateway solo 2250...old school
[05:28] <randabis-laptop> hehe
[05:28] <maldito> It says 906732 kB
[05:28] <tritium> sweet, trey3 is going to fix metacity ;)
[05:28] <LinuxJones> maldito, then your system is finding your 1 gig of ram
[05:29] <trey3> tritium, grrr  :(
[05:29] <maldito> but not using it all
[05:29] <maldito> 1 gig of ram is not 906732
[05:29] <trey3> tritium, I sooo would... if I knew how... have pleanty of time too  :(
[05:29] <tritium> trey3, shouldn't you be studying?
[05:29] <trey3> tritium, I sooo am  8)
[05:29] <trey3> tritium, sorta kinda
[05:30] <neofeed> where do I place stuff like 'XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1' if I want that to be a global parameter for my session?
[05:30] <randabis-laptop> inaction is a weapon of mass destruction
[05:30] <neofeed> what files does GDM run?
[05:30] <trey3> tritium, heh... leaving in like an hour to go get study guides etc for final  ;)
[05:30] <tritium> finals?  where are you?
[05:31] <madsen> Hmm, no one knows anything about playing cd's not working on Warty?
[05:31] <trey3> neofeed, in ~/.bashrc or export $THAT_WHAT_YOU_TYPED=1 for only current session
[05:31] <randabis-laptop> all of my music is on hard media so I dunno
[05:31] <trey3> tritium, all year college...
[05:31] <neofeed> trey3, is that going to be loaded when I start gnome too?
[05:31] <trey3> neofeed, uhh... no
[05:32] <neofeed> so where do i put those ?
[05:32] <trey3> neofeed, that would be in .xsession I believe?
[05:32] <maldito> any ideas?
[05:32] <trey3> seems a likely place  :/
[05:32] <PotajiTo> wenas
[05:32] <trey3> That must mean hello is some language?
[05:33] <tritium> maldito, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-21.1496455883
[05:33] <crypticreign> tritium: trey3 here is my post http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12413
[05:34] <crypticreign> about cd burner
[05:34] <LinuxJones> madsen, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MultimediaHOWTO#cd-player
[05:34] <maldito> thanks!
[05:34] <tritium> sure
[05:34] <madsen> LinuxJones: Hey, thanks! :)
[05:35] <tritium> crypticreign, hopefully somebody will have some good input for you
[05:35] <crypticreign> i hope :)
[05:36] <lerio> hi everybody. question: what happens if i remove the linux-386 package when i already have the linux-686?
[05:36] <tritium> lerio, it'll remove the old kernel
[05:36] <lerio> tritium: no harm or should i check something before?
[05:36] <randabis-laptop> but it will keep the config files unless you do apt-get --purge remove
[05:36] <trey3> crypticreign, just out of curiosity... why is the "ATAPI" part there? also....you might as well define speed also... other then that... it IS being detected... just not via apps...
[05:37] <tritium> lerio, have you already booted safely into the 686 kernel?
[05:37] <crypticreign> tritium: im leaving for Ukraine Thursday, so trying to burn copies of my cd's
[05:37] <randabis-laptop> or the equivalent in synaptic
[05:37] <crypticreign> trey3: tritium said to put that there, he has it in his config file
[05:37] <trey3> crypticreign, strange  :/
[05:37] <tritium> crypticreign, I hope it works out
[05:37] <lerio> tritium: i guess so.. i did the upgrade some time ago. how do i check it?
[05:37] <tritium> lerio, uname -r
[05:37] <NanoTek> KiKoo !!
[05:37] <trey3> crypticreign, but then he didn't even say the right command for -scanbus  8)
[05:38] <tritium> trey3, yes I did
[05:38] <MainVoid> lerio: uname -a
[05:38] <tritium> and that's a valid config
[05:38] <trey3> tritium, nope... dev=ATAPI never worked  :/
[05:38] <tritium> trey3, it works just fine for me
[05:38] <lerio> tritium MainVoid: yes, it's 686 already
[05:38] <trey3> tritium, eh... he said the output... never mentioned device...
[05:39] <tritium> lerio, then you should be fine
[05:39] <Lovecraft> A short question:  How dependant on X is ubuntu?
[05:39] <tritium> trey3, what are you complaining about?
[05:39] <trey3> Lovecraft, depends... via default... very
[05:39] <daniels> Lovecraft: it's not
[05:39] <lerio> tritium: i guess that same goes for the restricted modules
[05:39] <tritium> lerio, yes
[05:39] <trey3> Lovecraft, enter 'custom' on install prompt... and you need not even install...
[05:40] <lerio> tritium: last question :) i'm in Hoary now. has it been completely upgraded to Python2.4 already? is it safe to remove the 2.3 packages?
[05:40] <klaym> what's the best videoplayer for ubuntu?
[05:40] <randabis-laptop> x and ubuntu are merely playmates
[05:41] <randabis-laptop> totem-xine hehe
[05:41] <trey3> lerio, safe yes... apparently some don't recommend it though...
[05:41] <Lovecraft> Ubuntu is based on Debian?
[05:41] <tritium> lerio, I'm not sure what may still depend on python 2.3 packages
[05:41] <Vjaz> Lovecraft: yes
[05:41] <Phineas> Lovecraft, yup
[05:41] <trey3> Lovecraft, yes
[05:41] <trey3> haha
[05:41] <randabis-laptop> yes Debian 3.1 to be exact
[05:41] <Phineas> lol
[05:42] <lerio> tritium, trey: ok, i'll leave it there. thanks guys
[05:42] <jdub> Lovecraft: yes, it's a branch of sid.
[05:42] <Lovecraft> Just looking for something new to try.  Debian is getting to be more into X dependancies all the time.
[05:42] <trey3> randabis, thats what it says in /etc/debian-release... they track sid though..
[05:42] <tritium> lerio, you're welcome.
[05:42] <randabis-laptop> trey yeah I know
[05:42] <Lovecraft> Alright ... thanks, guys.
[05:43] <randabis-laptop> we're actually ahead of sid though :)
[05:43] <thenuke> CS.
[05:43] <thenuke> wrong channel
[05:43] <trey3> randabis, on many things... yup  :)
[05:43] <madsen> Ok, gnome-cd doesn't stall any more at least...
[05:43] <madsen> But still no sound.
[05:43] <trey3> randabis, but most are still in experimental at least...
[05:43] <randabis-laptop> yeah
[05:43] <madsen> And no (working) FreeDB lookup.
[05:43] <klaym> ok. I have totem, and have installed w32codecs, gstreamer and xine-ui. totem still won't play any videos and gives an unknown error. should I boot after installing the codecs? or is there something I'm still missing?
[05:44] <jdub> klaym: install totem-xine, not xine-ui
[05:44] <stvn> klaym: did you install totem-xine?
[05:44] <klaym> apt-get install totem-xine?
[05:44] <stvn> yep
[05:44] <randabis-laptop> the xine backend to totem works much better than the gstreamer backend
[05:44] <klaym> ok thanks
[05:44] <randabis-laptop> hah
[05:44] <madsen> trey3: lol
[05:44] <MainVoid> lol
[05:44] <randabis-laptop> totem is pr0n ready :)
[05:45] <stvn> the annoying part of mplayer is that it doesn't stop the screensaver from kicking in
[05:45] <tritium> crypticreign, despite what trey3 says, ATAPI is valid
[05:45] <trey3> randabis, eh... always argues with me about codecs...
[05:45] <madsen> stvn: Just make a wrapper-script for it...
[05:45] <trey3> tritium, I didn't say you were wrong.. I asked why its there...
[05:45] <stvn> madsen: too much trouble, totem can handle the pr0n just as fin
[05:45] <madsen> Arg, somebody reveal to me the secrets of getting any sound out of gnome-cd.
[05:46] <madsen> stvn: Hehe
[05:46] <madsen> stvn: A 3-line wrapper... No problem at all...
[05:46] <stvn> madsen: check volume manager for CD sound level ;)
[05:46] <madsen> stvn: Already did... It's up.
[05:47] <klaym> now that I'm apt-getting totem-xine, terminal prompts me this: the following packages will be REMOVED: totem-gstreamer ubuntu-desktop   <- he's not removing my desktop right? :)
[05:47] <randabis-laptop> check and make sure gnome-cd is used esd
[05:47] <trey3> klaym, thats fine
[05:47] <stvn> madsen: it's not fighting with esd?
[05:47] <randabis-laptop> klaym merely a meta-package, no worries
[05:47] <madsen> stvn: I don't know... xine and friends works fine...
[05:47] <klaym> yea, just made sure
[05:47] <randabis-laptop> madsen try killall esd and then use gnome-cd
[05:47] <trey3> klaym, ubuntu-desktop is a meta package... only depends on other packages, contains nothing... totem-gstreamer is the default totem... but the xine backend is more capable today...
[05:48] <klaym> ok thanks
[05:48] <stvn> madsen: or if randabis-laptop suggestoin fails try esd and run gnome-cd
[05:48] <madsen> randabis-laptop: Nope, nothing...
[05:49] <randabis-laptop> run esd again
[05:49] <madsen> stvn: Nothing either.
[05:49] <trey3> madsen, try plugin the speakers into CDROM itself  ;)
[05:49] <madsen> randabis-laptop: --^
[05:49] <madsen> trey3: Hehe
[05:49] <stvn> madsen: don't you need a cable from the cd-player to your soundcard?
[05:49] <madsen> stvn: I've never needed one before.
[05:50] <trey3> madsen, heh... no really... I've had alsa figure it out before... but without a cable connecting cdrom to sound, thats the easiest way...
[05:50] <madsen> stvn: Even though it _can_ actually rip from the dvd/cdrom.
[05:50] <randabis-laptop> uh you do...it's inside you computer
[05:51] <madsen> randabis-laptop: I've done it without before... I'm pretty sure, even though I'm not 100% sure.
[05:51] <madsen> trey3: Did you just support my claim or...?
[05:51] <trey3> madsen, via some players you don't (WMP comes to mind... and I believe even kscd) but gnome-cd won't "bridge" that...
[05:51] <trey3> madsen, depends, what was your claim?
[05:51] <randabis-laptop> you won't get cd audio without a cd audio cable going from your cdrom to the sound card...it's inside the computer
[05:52] <madsen> trey3: Exactly what you just said. :)
[05:52] <trey3> madsen, oh... then I guess I did  8)
[05:52] <madsen> randabis-laptop: Uhm, xine plays the cd-audio just fine.
[05:52] <randabis-laptop> then use that I guess
[05:52] <madsen> randabis-laptop: Sure, it just sucks to have to start xine, but I guess it'll do.
[05:53] <madsen> Thanks for the help.
[05:53] <madsen> trey3: Second! :)
[05:53] <stvn> goobox
[05:53] <stvn> ^'update' for gnome-cd IIRC
[05:53] <tritium> it's going to be replaced by either soundjuicer or another app
[05:53] <trey3> stvn, eh... I have rhythmbox for that stuff...
[05:53] <stvn> never use gnome-cd anyway ;)
[05:54] <trey3> stvn, actually... wasn't goobox competing with sound-juicer for a place in gnome?
[05:54] <madsen> tritium: That would be "a ripper".
[05:54] <randabis-laptop> I like rhythmbox but it organizes my music all funky hehe
[05:54] <stvn> trey3: rhythmbox still has troubles with managing my musiccollection over nfs
[05:54] <tritium> madsen, soundjuice will be able to play CDs as well
[05:54] <randabis-laptop> I wish it would just organize it by my directory structure
[05:54] <stvn> trey3: oh.. could be, was something cd-related
[05:55] <stvn> randabis-laptop: second that
[05:55] <stvn> also it would be nice if you could add songs to the current playlist in rhythmbox
[05:55] <trey3> stvn, yeah... read ... Davyds blog... related to "GNOME 2.10 preview" or whatever... he mentions that...
[05:55] <trey3> stvn, uhh... you can?
[05:55] <stvn> trey3: I read it, just forgot the details ;)
[05:55] <randabis-laptop> yeah it's annoying how it organizes by artist...not all my music has the artist name
[05:56] <trey3> randabis, It can order by many details...
[05:56] <tritium> madsen, http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-10/
[05:56] <randabis-laptop> yeah but any of them still turns the list funky
[05:56] <stvn> trey3: you can add to the current playlist?
[05:56] <randabis-laptop> it should just do by directory
[05:56] <tritium> madsen, scroll down to Sound Juicer and Goobox
[05:57] <trey3> randabis-laptop, each of those groups (genre, artist, album etc) are things you can group by
[05:57] <randabis-laptop> i know
[05:57] <madsen> Hmm, how the hell do I make xine play a cd from a cmd line?
[05:57] <randabis-laptop> but I'm saying it should do it by directory instead
[05:57] <madsen> I've tried 'xine cd://', but that doesn't really work. :(
[05:57] <mischa> did you huygs know that if you power up your connected camera (Pannasonic DMC-FX7) you get fotoalbum in gnome, but if you then turn off the power of your camera the pc (laptop) freeses...have to do reboot the :)
[05:58] <trey3> stvn, Just "Load from file" and it adds to current listings...
[05:59] <stvn> trey3: ah yes, but if i want to add an album from within RB, it's not possible
[05:59] <mischa> xine /cdrom ?
[05:59] <stvn> the trouble is that there's no 'current playlist'
[05:59] <madsen> mischa: Interesting proposal....
[05:59] <calamari> hi
[05:59] <mischa> had it this morning///%)
[05:59] <trey3> stvn, then maybe you are right... I'm usually listening to PLS streams... minimal playing with local files...
[06:00] <stvn> trey3: ok
[06:00] <madsen> mischa: However... It didn't work. :(
[06:00] <calamari> is it possible to adjust the networking settings?  when I start, for example, a synaptic download my ssh connections become unresponsive and sometimes even give up
[06:00] <mischa> madsen:)
[06:00] <trey3> stvn, certainly an enhancement if it can't yet...
[06:00] <calamari> (I'm on dialup, so there is limited bandwidth)
[06:01] <Mamorook> I just installed Ubuntu and am having difficulty getting my ubuntu box to communicate with my winxp box
[06:01] <mischa> madsen: xine file:/cdrom
[06:01] <trey3> Mamorook, find a good samba howto.. there is way too much to cover to help in an IRC channel...
[06:02] <Mamorook> It's not a samba problem.
[06:02] <Mamorook> I haven't gotten that far.
[06:02] <mischa> madsen: man xine /MRL
[06:02] <trey3> Mamorook, where are you at?
[06:02] <madsen> mischa: I'll give it a shot :)
[06:02] <Mamorook> My windows box and my linux box can't ping each other.
[06:02] <Mamorook> I'm at my windows box.  But my linux box is right beside me.
[06:02] <trey3> Mamorook, ahh... nic is up on linux box?
[06:03] <Mamorook> Says it is.
[06:03] <trey3> Mamorook, what says it is? what does it say?
[06:03] <Mamorook> Er...  I mean it shows up under ifconfig.
[06:03] <madsen> mischa: Sorry, no luck either.
[06:03] <trey3> Mamorook, cuz yeah... if they are on the same network... there is NO reason they can't at least ping each other  :/
[06:03] <snowblink> Mamorook: ifconfig -a; netstat -rn
[06:04] <mischa> madsen: according to man that should do the trick ??
[06:04] <madsen> mischa: Heh, I see... But try showing that manual page to xine. :-p
[06:04] <mischa> madson: you'l have to mount /cdrom first though
[06:05] <madsen> mischa: Oh!
[06:05] <Mamorook> Hmm.... that's strange...  nothing in the routing table.
[06:05] <mischa> madson: mount /cdrom && xine file:/cdrom
[06:06] <madsen> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
[06:06] <madsen>        or too many mounted file systems
[06:06] <snowblink> Mamorook: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[06:06] <madsen> mischa: One would think that the cdda:// MRL should do the trick without mounting it.
[06:06] <Mamorook> still nothing in the route table.
[06:07] <mischa> madsen:yeah
[06:07] <snowblink> Mamorook: can you get your networking app open?
[06:07] <subterrific> there is something seriously wrong with the latest metacity in hoary, hehe
[06:07] <Kokey> Where can i see the details of the Metacity bug?
[06:08] <Mamorook> You mean the one under Computer > System Configuration > Networking?
[06:08] <snowblink> Mamorook: yup
[06:08] <William_Cain> Hello.
[06:08] <mischa> madsen:im out of ideas...sry :(
[06:08] <Mamorook> Yes I can.
[06:08] <William_Cain> A quick question: What is Hotplug?
[06:08] <mischa> madsen: one moore ->google
[06:08] <mischa> A hot Plug
[06:08] <snowblink> Mamorook: check your network settings in there. Possible you missed setting a gateway.
[06:08] <mischa> :)
[06:09] <mischa> sry
[06:09] <trey3> William_Cain, mechanism for detecting devices connected after boot...
[06:09] <madsen> mischa: Hehe, thanks. But I've been there already... Fscking xine!
[06:09] <William_Cain> Ok, because it fails to load during boot.
[06:09] <William_Cain> Is that bad?
[06:09] <MainVoid> William_Cain: does it fail loading hw_random.ko or something like that?
[06:10] <mischa> William_Cain-> Permission Denied   stuff ??
[06:10] <William_Cain> Should I note down which modules that fail?
[06:10] <William_Cain> Two serious errors occur.
[06:10] <trey3> William_Cain, add shpchp  and pciehp to /etc/hotplug/blacklist  ... restart -> still fails?
[06:10] <Mamorook> It has nothing set under gateway.
[06:10] <William_Cain> Ah, that's the two!
[06:10] <mischa> that;s it :)
[06:11] <tritium> William_Cain, no need to worry, then.  But, you can add them to your blacklist
[06:11] <tritium> if you want the messages to go away
[06:11] <snowblink> Mamorook: do you have DHCP on your network?
[06:11] <William_Cain> Ok, great.
[06:11] <Mamorook> No.  Both my linux box and windows box have static IP
[06:11] <snowblink> Mamorook: HUB or crossover?
[06:12] <mischa> madsen:ROGER
[06:12] <sangriag> Hi Chris
[06:12] <Mamorook> Crossover.
[06:12] <mischa> have to go , bye all
[06:12] <snowblink> Mamorook: set the gateway to the winxp IP address
[06:12] <William_Cain> Another thing. I want to install drivers for the Promise SATA controller integrated in my Asus A7V8X motherboard.
[06:12] <William_Cain> They're supposed to reside here: http://www.promise.com/support/download/download2_eng.asp?productId=8&category=driver&os=100
[06:12] <William_Cain> Which one should I choose?
[06:13] <Mamorook> Done.
[06:13] <snowblink> Mamorook: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart; netstat -rn
[06:13] <MainVoid> trey3: got any ideas on getting osund working on this laptop of mine?
[06:14] <Mamorook> Okay.  Now it shows up under the routing table.
[06:14] <snowblink> Mamorook: good. Try pinging to the winxp box
[06:14] <Mamorook> Still nothing.
[06:14] <trey3> MainVoid, what have you checked?
[06:15] <edwardb> are u pinging by name or ip
[06:15] <MainVoid> trey3: checking the loaded modules right now...
[06:15] <MainVoid> trey3: is alsa the default in ubuntu?
[06:15] <trey3> MainVoid, still supports OSS modules via emulation...
[06:16] <MainVoid> trey3: ok..
[06:16] <MainVoid> trey3: Hmm.. there's a shedload loaded already, in regards to sound.. just doesn't play anything..
[06:16] <Mamorook> I'll try.  It'll take a minute.  Since I have no way of moving text from my linux box to this one, I'll have to type it all by hand.
[06:17] <trey3> MainVoid, shedload?
[06:18] <snowblink> Mamorook: you also need to check the networking on your windows box
[06:18] <crypticreign> apt says "Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:18] <crypticreign> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907"
[06:18] <MainVoid> trey3: well,  lsmod | grep snd | wc -l returns 9.. which isn't too bad I suppose.. ;)
[06:18] <crypticreign> do i need to acquire a key?
[06:19] <MainVoid> trey3: I'm keeping on digging about here.. I'll see if I can figure something out...
[06:19] <snowblink> crypticreign: no
[06:20] <trey3> MainVoid, umm... not really helpful... haha... cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp to see if sound is working at all
[06:20] <snowblink> Mamorook:
[06:20] <Mamorook> Before I installed Ubuntu, it had WinXP.  ANd the two boxes could communicate fine.  Since installing Ubuntu, I haven't changed the settings on the remaining box at all.
[06:20] <crypticreign> snowblink: how do i get rid of that message?
[06:20] <MainVoid> trey3: tho the "multimedia systems slector" thingy has troubles with both the ALSA and OSS output. ESD is fine, according to it, tho still a silent laptop...
[06:21] <trey3> MainVoid, did you try what I just said?
[06:21] <trey3> MainVoid, cuz then we can move up the stack to see whats wrong  :)
[06:21] <snowblink> crypticreign: get the keys. ;) But you don't need them
[06:21] <MainVoid> trey3: just did.. not even a beep, scratch or anything..
[06:21] <Tortoose> hi!
[06:21] <tritium> snowblink, doesn't it say to run apt-get update again to fix?
[06:21] <trey3> MainVoid, k... thats bad...
[06:22] <MainVoid> trey3: yeah.. that's what I thought.. ;)
[06:22] <trey3> MainVoid, stupid question... checked physical sound levels? PCM level?
[06:22] <MainVoid> trey3: yup..
[06:22] <trey3> MainVoid, and you're positive module is correct (its worked before?)
[06:22] <crypticreign> tritium: it does.. but that dosnt work
[06:22] <tritium> crypticreign, it will.  Keep trying.
[06:22] <MainVoid> trey3: and when running the tests in that mm selector, I do get something happening on the VU meter..
[06:23] <MainVoid> trey3: not sure about the modules, just thought I'd check if sound is working..
[06:23] <grepper> tritium: morning
[06:23] <MainVoid> trey3: I justinstalled ubuntu the other day, and haven't bothered with sound yet.. ;)
[06:23] <tritium> grepper, hey there
[06:23] <MainVoid> trey3: I do know the hw is ine, since debian played noises on this thing last week.. ;)
[06:23] <grepper> tritium: have you tried the bootsplash* debs from www.bootsplash.de ?
[06:24] <marcin> hello
[06:24] <grepper> postinst script is a bit broken on warty
[06:24] <tritium> grepper, no, I'm going to wait on usplash instead
[06:24] <grepper> ok
[06:24] <marcin> could someone help me and tell how to install plone on hoary?
[06:24] <tritium> what is the postinst script doing?
[06:24] <grepper> creates the initrd, update-rc.d , that sort of stuff
[06:24] <edwardb> does anyone have an idea why sudo wont accept the root password correctly but su - does
[06:24] <tritium> and how is it failing?
[06:25] <MainVoid> edwardb: sudo accepts *your* password, not roots..
[06:25] <tritium> edwardb, what root password?
[06:25] <grepper> in a number of ways :P   some if then routines are broken
[06:25] <tritium> edwardb, did you give root a password?
[06:26] <grepper> tried fixing it, no luck so far, I'll have to do it all by hand  :(
[06:26] <edwardb> mainvoid-thanks
[06:27] <trey3> MainVoid, I don't know... sounds like mixer issues... modules loaded, (whatever it was) did a little dance? ... not sure?
[06:27] <calamari> I have sshd installed, but I'd only like it to be running when I manually start it.  Where is it being loaded from?
[06:27] <trey3> MainVoid, has to be mixer...
[06:28] <MainVoid> edwardb: no probbs.. ;)
[06:28] <tritium> calamari, /etc/init.d/ssh
[06:28] <MainVoid> trey3: Well, checking the volumes, and switching between the devices listed, I still get nothing.. ??
[06:29] <calamari> tritium: thanks
[06:29] <tritium> sure
[06:29] <trey3> MainVoid, what devices are listed? get rid of the oss one maybe? (rmmod blah)
[06:29] <calamari> tritium: did you just know that, or did you figure it out somehow? :)
[06:30] <trey3> calamari, /etc/init.d is a familier dir to most *nix users... you would do good to understand what it is and become familier with it...
[06:31] <edwardb> what is the command line to install debian packages? Or do you use synaptic
[06:31] <Schaap> Hi, I have 2 nics in my system and only one (eth1) shows up network configuration. how do i add eth0? or set it at dhcp?
[06:31] <calamari> trey3: sounds good
[06:31] <wezzer> edwardb: sudo apt-get install gimp
[06:31] <Schaap> apt-get install name
[06:31] <trey3> calamari, its kinda the most important dir on a *nix system (on account of without it, the system doesn't run...)
[06:31] <wezzer> for example
[06:31] <tritium> calamari, "dpkg -L" lists where files in a package are located
[06:31] <MainVoid> trey3: AD1981B (OSS) and Intel 82081DB-ICH4 (ALSA) ...
[06:31] <Scooter> Hello Everyone :D , I have to down load a bunch of files from an website, and they only allow one connection at a time, in KDE I use Kget for this, is there a Gnome download manager solution? TIA :)
[06:32] <Scooter> I want to mark a bunch of files to download, and have download manager que them one at a time to download
[06:32] <Riddell> Scooter: you can install kget, or you can use wget on the command line
[06:32] <Scooter> nice :)
[06:33] <Tortoose> hum..does anybody have a clue about an empty KDE menu (with hoary PPC)
[06:33] <Schaap> Oh and is there some sort of ipconfig for Linux?
[06:33] <MainVoid> trey3: hmm.. lsmod | grep 1981 returns nothing...
[06:33] <Riddell> Tortoose: it's a known problem, we're working on it
[06:33] <Schaap> to see what IP i have
[06:34] <Scooter> ok I try useing Kget, I am in XFce, it takes about 20 seconds to load.. i am hopeing it is  not loading all the KDE librarys
[06:34] <edwardb> schaap-ifconfig
[06:34] <Tortoose> Riddell, thanks a lot ;) and thanks for all your work
[06:34] <pe7er> hey, i do wonder about a package... i've once used some distro that came with handy scripts that could for example 'less' files within archives, is there some equivalent for ubuntu? i know it's not much the hassle to do that in a single command line, but i'm a) yet not so geeky that i know all needed switches without doing --help and b) that typework all the time is a bit tiring. some pre-built aliases might suite my needs, too. anybody got a lin
[06:34] <pe7er> k, or even better, package name?
[06:34] <trey3> MainVoid, grep intel instead...
[06:34] <Schaap> lol
[06:34] <Schaap> ok
[06:34] <edwardb> schaap, if one lo appears do an ifconfig -a
[06:34] <Schaap>  ok
[06:35] <Schaap> and the 2 nics in network config ?
[06:35] <MainVoid> anders@laptop:~ $ sudo rmmod snd_intel8x0
[06:35] <MainVoid> Password:
[06:35] <MainVoid> ERROR: Module snd_intel8x0 is in use
[06:35] <MainVoid> GAH!
[06:35] <trey3> ugh... you're not removing that one... thats the alsa module...
[06:35] <trey3> MainVoid, rmmod intel8x0
[06:35] <tritium> pe7er, I'm not sure if I understand your question.  try "dpkg -L <packagename>".  Is that the result you're looking for?
[06:36] <trey3> MainVoid, and the module is 'snd-intel8x0', just lsmod outputs _ instead...
[06:36] <pe7er> tritium: no, sorry, did that, it's hard to make up a good search for that....
[06:36] <MainVoid> ERROR: Module snd_intel8x0 is in use
[06:37] <MainVoid> trey3: doesn't wanna do it capt'n..
[06:37] <tritium> pe7er, search for what?
[06:37] <trey3> MainVoid, whats it saying?
[06:37] <pe7er> tritium: i want something to view for example those packaged doc files in /usr/share/doc... most are placed inside tar.gz archives... i just want to less them
[06:37] <MainVoid> trey3: module is in use, it claims...
[06:37] <tritium> pe7er, zcat
[06:37] <trey3> MainVoid, haha
[06:38] <tritium> pe7er, and then pipe into less or more, or pager of choice
[06:38] <pe7er> tritium: zcat? zcat. thanks :)
[06:38] <trey3> MainVoid, you ended the /dev/dsp thing?
[06:38] <pe7er> tritium: yes, that fits my needs perfectly
[06:38] <tritium> good deal
[06:38] <trey3> trey3, cntrl c
[06:39] <edwardb> apt-get install package reads the package, verifies the package and then states package cannot be found
[06:39] <edwardb> ??
[06:40] <edwardb> -m wont force install even if that error comes up
[06:41] <tritium> metacity bug fix is pending upload :)
[06:41] <godsmoke> hrm -- looks like all of the ubuntu installers kernel panic on this machine
[06:44] <Pluk> godsmoke, your installing on a sata HD or something?
[06:44] <godsmoke> nope
[06:45] <godsmoke> kernel panics at acpi detection
[06:45] <Pluk> in grub you can disable acpi
[06:45] <godsmoke> on array-3, and the release
[06:46] <Pluk> acpi=off
[06:46] <Pluk> that might help somethin
[06:46] <godsmoke> yeah, I did
[06:46] <godsmoke> it paniced at another point then
[06:46] <godsmoke> odd, considering how standard the components in here are
[06:49] <tritium> what's the key I need to hold down on PPC to boot from install CD please?
[06:50] <tritium> I've got it.  Nevermind.  Thanks
[06:51] <jnk> changed warty to hoary in sources.list, and the system got upgraded except for x-window-system-core. I'm wondering what makes this package not upgrade automatically?  (aptitude install x-window-system-core just works)
[06:51] <erGoline> re
[06:51] <godsmoke> jinty: because hoary uses Xorg
[06:51] <godsmoke> jnk*
[06:51] <erGoline> nevyn_: MainVoid : with the CD-R at 4X no problem at all, I'm installing it :)
[06:52] <jnk> godsmoke, yeah so it has to remove xfree... Even "aptitude dist-upgrade" won't upgrade though
[06:52] <Mamorook> Yep.
[06:53] <godsmoke> jnk: what do you mean it "won't upgrade"?
[06:53] <Mamorook> I'm not sure if that connection icon windows places in the systray is a reliable reporter of network activity but when I try to ping my win box from my linux box, it's not showing any inbound activity.
[06:54] <jnk> godsmoke, AFAIK dist-upgrade tells aptitude to upgrade even if this means removing or installing new packages. But "aptitude dist-upgrade" keeps x-window-system-core to the xfree version
[06:54] <MainVoid> trey3: sorry, had ppl at the door...
[06:54] <MainVoid> trey3: yep, killed it.. ;)
[06:54] <MainVoid> erGoline: kewl..
[06:55] <snowblink> Mamorook: Just a thought. Can you ping the interfaces on their own machines?
[06:55] <godsmoke> Mamorook: don't use these visual applet things or any visual tool to do real network diagnostic
[06:56] <Mamorook> Yes, I can.
[06:56] <godsmoke> is your interface up? -- does it have an ip? and the right routes?
[06:56] <Mamorook> Both boxes can ping themselves.
[06:57] <Pluto> ika
[06:57] <Pluto> ola
[06:57] <jnk> godsmoke, anyway it seems I'm wrong: after installing xorg (juste done) if I do "aptitude upgrade" it upgades everything, but doing dist-upgrade it says it won't upgrade gnome-panel
[06:57] <Pluto> ola?
[06:57] <Scooter> my wife just told me to go ping myself
[06:57] <edwardb> installation question, before you can use apt-get, do I have to manually enter the package into the sources.list file
[06:58] <Pluto> Wat?
[06:58] <Pluto> its imposibel
[06:58] <jnk> edwardb, apt worked out of the box for me... just try
[06:58] <edwardb> i have
[06:58] <edwardb> I downloaded a package from the debian site for madplay
[06:58] <edwardb> which sits in my home directory
[06:59] <Scooter> you need to update apt first.... sudo apt-get update
[06:59] <edwardb> yes, but that pulls from a local database file that resides in /etc/apt/
[06:59] <jnk> edwardb, sources.list tells about apt repositories, if you download manually the just use dpkg
[06:59] <Scooter> pulls from the same file as synaptic
[06:59] <jnk> or you can make your own local repository
[07:00] <jnk> (with packages you downloaded manually)
[07:00] <kent> edwardb, it dont work like that. ubunto has most packages debian have, so you dont need to download manually from debian. Just read on ubuntus homepage about how to add "universe and multiverse etc to sources.list" and then update and install. :)
[07:00] <edwardb> okay
[07:00] <edwardb> thanks
[07:08] <spiral> hi
[07:11] <Riddell> Tortoose: do you have gnome installed as well as KDE?
[07:11] <Tortoose> yep, the two
[07:14] <edwardb> Kent-thanks, just updated with a ton of new packages
[07:14] <Tortoose> Riddell, should be ok now ?
[07:14] <Riddell> Tortoose: not yet
[07:15] <Tortoose> oki, is it just for ppc or a global hoary issue ?
[07:15] <bzbb> there is a multiverse, too?
[07:15] <bzbb> crazy
[07:17] <acidmaxd> can anyone give me more information about this? there are incomplete packages in the repository, for example Vega Strike (the game). There are vegastrike-data and vegastrike-music, but not the main package...
[07:18] <acidmaxd> the game is not usable without the main package :(
[07:18] <Schaap> Hi, I have 2 nics in my system and only one (eth1) shows up network configuration. how do i add eth0? or set it at dhcp?
[07:19] <acidmaxd> Schaap: probably the NIC is of not supported type
[07:19] <MainVoid> acidmaxd: best option is prob to talk to the maintainer of that package...
[07:19] <acidmaxd> probably linux doesn't have drivers for it...
[07:19] <MainVoid> Schaap: have u tried ifconfig eth0?
[07:20] <acidmaxd> Maintainer: Mike Furr <mfurr@debian.org> , ahem
[07:20] <MainVoid> Schaap: or, if u wanna use dhcp, tried dhclient eth0?
[07:20] <MainVoid> acidmaxd: Oooppss.. ;)
[07:20] <Schaap> not yet MainVoid | acidmaxd, when i do ip addr both show up
[07:20] <acidmaxd> universe/multiverse ... better not touch this :)
[07:21] <Schaap> i just dont know what what is yet though
[07:21] <Schaap> ill run towards it now
[07:21] <Schaap> btw whats a good IRC client?
[07:21] <acidmaxd> Schaap: i use irssi in console
[07:21] <randabis> xchat, irssi
[07:21] <tritium> xchat in gnome is nice
[07:21] <MainVoid> Schaap: if u do `sudo dhclient eth0` u should get an dynamic ip, if u have a dhcp server on ur net..
[07:21] <acidmaxd> xchat is good one for X
[07:22] <Skid> anyon got a pioneer a105 dvd-r working with ubunut ?
[07:22] <Skid> unbuntu even
[07:22] <randabis> there's bitchx too
[07:22] <MainVoid> Skid: have one working in debian... ;)
[07:22] <Skid> what drivers does it use?
[07:22] <Skid> I've never setup a dvd/cd writer before
[07:22] <MainVoid> Skid: haven't installed ubuntu on that box..
[07:23] <Skid> should work, seeing as ubuntu is based on debian?
[07:23] <acidmaxd> Skid: me too, sorry. did the installation program detected it (during install) ?
[07:23] <MainVoid> Skid: haven't checked.. it finds it out of the box, so I'd assume the std ide cd drivers..
[07:23] <ernstp> buggy stuff from universe shoudn't be reported in ubuntu's bugzilla, right?
[07:23] <Skid> ay the cd yea
[07:23] <Skid> as
[07:23] <MainVoid> Skid: if it found it during install, and reported it properly, it should work just fine..
[07:23] <Skid> it's deteched the CD-ROM
[07:23] <Skid> well, the burner
[07:23] <acidmaxd> ernstp: it should be reported to debian unstable maintainers i guess
[07:23] <Skid> ut im not sure if it's picked it up as a bunrer
[07:24] <Skid> I installed it off that device mind
[07:24] <Skid> what dvd burner software do you use?
[07:24] <ernstp> but does the Debian maintainers like when someone reports that something crashes in ubuntu hoary and haven't tested it in debian?
[07:24] <MainVoid> skid, xcdroast on my deb box reports it just fine as a DVD burner..
[07:24] <acidmaxd> Skid: k3b
[07:24] <ernstp> acidmaxd, but.. (see above)
[07:25] <acidmaxd> ernstp: dunno, sorry
[07:25] <MainVoid> ernstp: I'd think they'd ignore u, or in worst case even reply back, with a suitable comment..
[07:25] <MainVoid> :P
[07:25] <no0tic> hi
[07:25] <no0tic> metacoty doesn't come up automatically at gnome start
[07:25] <ernstp> anyway, watch out for libflash-mozplugin
[07:25] <acidmaxd> ernstp: somewhere on the site there is documentation about this
[07:25] <no0tic> s/metacoty/metacity
[07:25] <Skid> acidmaxd: does that require KDE to be installed? I don't like it, so stick with fluxbox/gnome
[07:25] <ernstp> makes firefox and mozilla crash hard on some sites.
[07:26] <estebandido> hello.... i have a question about samba
[07:26] <acidmaxd> Skid: no, just a bunch of libraries like Qt
[07:26] <Skid> ah, neat
[07:26] <ernstp> acidmaxd, this is such a friendly channel so I thought I'd ask here :-)
[07:26] <no0tic> no0tic: how can I do?
[07:26] <Skid> christ, heh
[07:26] <Skid> enough packages? :P
[07:26] <acidmaxd> ernstp: i've just landed here... first visit :)
[07:27] <estebandido> is samba installed by default? i see lots of files, but networking config says it's not there
[07:27] <ernstp> acidmaxd, now that gnome on hoary is usable again I'm starting to run ubuntu more and more.
[07:27] <zenrox> estebandido,  no
[07:28] <estebandido> then what are all the files about_
[07:28] <estebandido> ?
[07:28] <zenrox> estebandido,  do a sudo apt-get install samba
[07:28] <zenrox> estebandido,  do a sudo apt-get install smbfs
[07:28] <estebandido> i will... as soon as i can get it to dial up
[07:28] <tritium> estebandido, they're part of samba-common
[07:28] <estebandido> i have to boot back into windows to conect to the internet
[07:29] <zenrox> estebandido,  what type of modem you have??
[07:29] <acidmaxd> ernstp: when was gnome unusable?!
[07:29] <estebandido> crappy winmodem
[07:29] <zenrox> estebandido,  you teconaly can get that to work
[07:30] <estebandido> with the driver from conexant?
[07:30] <Skid> also, i've never used linux on a desktop, is ntfs writing stable yet?
[07:30] <no0tic> anyone can help me with metacity?
[07:30] <Skid> when I used it on my laptop, it wasn't
[07:30] <MainVoid> Skid: not yet..
[07:30] <Skid> balls :/
[07:30] <zenrox> estebandido,  om maby but thare is a package file some whare thats for winmodems
[07:31] <estebandido> really? any idea what it's called?
[07:31] <zenrox> nope
[07:31] <estebandido> i'll give it a look after lunch
[07:31] <ernstp> acidmaxd, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4794
[07:31] <estebandido> gotta go, but i'll be back
[07:31] <zenrox> ok
[07:31] <ernstp> acidmaxd, a bit too annoying for me..
[07:31] <phos4us> no0tic: whats up with metacity?
[07:32] <no0tic> phos4us: I upgraded to 2.9.5 (Hoary) and gave me probelms, I downgraded it to 2.9.3 but now it doesn't start with gnome start
[07:33] <tritium> phos4us, there's a bug listed in the topic
[07:33] <acidmaxd> ernstp: well, i run warty :) i prefer stability over bleeding-edge software
[07:33] <phos4us> Just trying to help
[07:34] <erGoline> Question: ubuntu when should detect my D-Link DWL-650 WLAN? During the first seyp stage or after installing the packages?
[07:34] <ernstp> acidmaxd, I'm tripple-booting. gentoo and fedora also. they're really stable, so when I tired something new (ubuntu) I could just as well try the unstable branch
[07:35] <acidmaxd> ernstp: i needed a linux distribition for both desktop and server usage. fedora doesn't seem stable, and i don't like receiving latest versions of all the software as updates
[07:36] <acidmaxd> security updates is enough
[07:36] <ernstp> oops..
[07:36] <ernstp> acidmaxd, killed my window.
[07:36] <boxemall> hi folks
[07:36] <boxemall> im very interested in ubuntu
[07:36] <acidmaxd> ernstp: i needed a linux distribition for both desktop and server usage. fedora doesn't seem stable, and i don't like receiving latest versions of all the software as updates
[07:37] <acidmaxd> security updates is enough
[07:37] <boxemall> for this reason i downloaded me the live cd (warty warthog)
[07:37] <boxemall> but i don't get any mouse or keyboard support
[07:37] <boxemall> on my girlfriends machin it works
[07:37] <pvh> Is there any way to combine two ext2/3 partitions?
[07:37] <boxemall> what can i do?
[07:37] <thenuke> acidmaxd: :o should not take that long to upgrade whole distro by downloading
[07:37] <spiral> boxemall: USB keyboard ?
[07:37] <boxemall> no usb keyboard
[07:37] <boxemall> just as usual ps2
[07:38] <spiral> boxemall: a ps2 keyboard doesn't work ? damn it... So you can't do anything to install or is it just postinstall ?
[07:38] <pvh> (Combine/merge... They both have data on them.)
[07:38] <acidmaxd> thenuke: here, in Bulgaria it will take a while :))
[07:38] <boxemall> i did not install so far i just tryed out the live cd
[07:39] <IRCMonkey_> zdravo
[07:39] <boxemall> so now even this live cd doesn't work im afraid of installing
[07:39] <acidmaxd> "zdravo" ?
[07:39] <boxemall> zdravo is yugo croatian
[07:39] <boxemall> means hello
[07:39] <acidmaxd> in Bulgarian too :)
[07:39] <IRCMonkey_> no
[07:39] <Vjaz> Is lyx-common currently broken?
[07:39] <boxemall> yeah?
[07:40] <boxemall> cool
[07:40] <thenuke> acidmaxd: define a while :P
[07:40] <Vjaz> In hoary.
[07:40] <IRCMonkey_> its not hello it is salute
[07:40] <boxemall> yeah even thats right
[07:40] <thenuke> acidmaxd: I have been used to download some things for a few days
[07:40] <Vjaz> It seems like it requires python=2.3
[07:40] <boxemall> so is there a way to patch the live cd to get it runnin?
[07:40] <acidmaxd> thenuke: for example i've downloaded fedora's 4 CDs for 1 week
[07:41] <Skid> is it possible to show all your harddrives, if some aren't listed in fstab? i..e I can't remember which is my windows partitiom, which is storage, etc etc
[07:41] <Vjaz> python2.3 doesn't work for it either...
[07:41] <thenuke> acidmaxd: yyup, what kind of net do you have :)
[07:41] <acidmaxd> Skid: sudo cfdisk /dev/hda
[07:42] <Skid> ta
[07:42] <acidmaxd> Skid: and the immediately quit, without making any changes
[07:42] <Skid> ya, well their not ide drives, but I get the jist thanks
[07:42] <acidmaxd> thenuke: "cable" net :)
[07:42] <Skid> erm, odd it only shows two
[07:43] <Skid> missing 1 60gig
[07:43] <Skid> :S
[07:43] <acidmaxd> Skid: do you have only one hard drive?
[07:43] <IRCMonkey_> can somebody help me i changed my mice and i cant get him work help
[07:43] <Skid> no heh
[07:43] <Skid> I've 3
[07:43] <Schaap> Great :D all i need now is to figure out Apache 2
[07:43] <acidmaxd> Skid: i mean more than one :)
[07:43] <Skid> stange...
[07:43] <thenuke> Schaap: tried google already?
[07:43] <Skid> i'll mount it and see whats on it
[07:43] <acidmaxd> Skid: well, then sudo cfdisk /dev/hdb , hdc , etc
[07:43] <Skid> oh, of course
[07:43] <Skid> fs
[07:43] <Skid> :0
[07:45] <Skid> once a drive is mounted, you're able to change the permissions to view it aren't you?
[07:45] <Skid> i dont really want to faff this drive up, there's a lot of data on it :)
[07:46] <pvh> Skid: If it's NTFS, it'll be read only.
[07:46] <Skid> yeah, just wondering if I can have my normal user view it, rather than root
[07:46] <pvh> Skid: Yeah, just make it 0222.
[07:46] <Skid> ah, cool
[07:46] <Skid> cheers mate
[07:47] <acidmaxd> IRCMonkey_: maybe 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-common' will help
[07:47] <im_ka> hi
[07:47] <pvh> Skid: Not mounting windows by default is a bit of an oversight, one I imagine hoary will correct.
[07:47] <pvh> s/imagine/hope/
[07:47] <im_ka> can someone help me in a semiofftopic question?
[07:47] <acidmaxd> IRCMonkey_: or you need to update your /etc/X11/XF86Config
[07:47] <will> oh reiserFS is going to eat your dog and....goodness its cool!
[07:47] <IRCMonkey_> i did that but nothing
[07:47] <acidmaxd> IRCMonkey_: what type is your new mouse
[07:48] <IRCMonkey_> microsoft ps/2
[07:48] <im_ka> i've bought a supposedtobe silent power supply about a week ago. i installed, it was quite. but now after a week it's just as loud as the old one was. what's the problem?
[07:48] <acidmaxd> im_ka: sure, just ask
[07:48] <irbdavid> hiya, can someone give me a few pointers with my sound. it works, but it's kinda crackly if there are other things going on, eg moving the mouse etc
[07:48] <im_ka> acidmaxd, ^^
[07:49] <acidmaxd> IRCMonkey_: ps/2 or usb?
[07:50] <Skid> also, one more query.. fam isn't updating the application menu for evey app it installs.. is that normal?
[07:50] <irbdavid> i cant find much in the way of options to configre wrt my sound though
[07:51] <irbdavid> and also, where can i put a modprobe command so that it gets included at bootup?
[07:52] <no0tic> aptitude upgrade wants to install linux-386 but it's not needed by any other package...
[07:52] <erGoline> bye
[07:54] <Skid> && does anyone know the package that installs 'rar' with it? I can't install it via apt
[07:57] <Skid> ah nm, i'll just get the binary off rarlabs
[07:57] <no0tic> aptitude upgrade wants to install linux-386 but it's not needed by any other package... ah, apt-get upgrade doesn't
[07:58] <ups> hi
[07:59] <ups> i'm upgrading from warty to hoary, but want to skip openoffice (big package, and my internet is slow). any way to tell that to apt-get dist-upgrade?
[08:01] <no0tic> ups:  try to mark as hold those packages
[08:01] <ups> no0tic: how to do that? i'm new to the debian based systems
[08:01] <no0tic> ups: dpkg --get-selections > selections
[08:02] <no0tic> ups: edit selections & find packages names and change the state from install to hold
[08:02] <no0tic> ups: then sudo dpkg --set-selections < selections
[08:02] <ups> ok
[08:03] <ups> no0tic: great, i'll try it. thanks
[08:03] <no0tic> last kernel update from hoary it's safe?
[08:04] <no0tic> better, is the last kernel update from hoary safe?
[08:04] <zAo^> Who can help me with this: /var/log/messages gives me:
[08:04] <zAo^> Oct 15 19:54:35 localhost gconfd (zao-4289): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a read-only configuration source at position 2
[08:07] <jmhodges> hunh.. in the pool, im seeing that in universe, libgtksourceview-cil is in gtksourceview-sharp.. but i dont see a *-sharp in the listing in synaptic (this is hoary universe..)
[08:07] <jmhodges> can someone explain whats going on?
[08:08] <ups> no0tic: awesome, it works just fine... thanks again
[08:08] <AndyR> lo all
[08:09] <crypticreign> the new metacity update in hoary is totall tweaking out my windows
[08:10] <kent> crypticreign, "tweaking out"?
[08:10] <klaym> is it possible to bypass the startup user/password prompt? how about firestarter's prompt? I'd like the startup to be completely automatic, as there isn't really anyone who'd abuse my computer, nor anything top secret on the HD.
[08:10] <crypticreign> yeah when i move a windows, the boarder dissapears
[08:10] <crypticreign> and sometime doesnt come back, and i cant click on the window
[08:11] <whiprush> it's broken, gotta wait for the next upload of it.
[08:11] <crypticreign> ugh
[08:11] <crypticreign> ok
[08:11] <jcoxon77> crypticreign: why don't you downgrade to 2.9.3
[08:11] <jcoxon77> crypticreign: of metacity
[08:11] <crypticreign> how?
[08:12] <jcoxon77> crypticreign: what i did is googled it, found the .deb and downloaded it
[08:12] <jcoxon77> crypticreign: then i used dpkg to install it
[08:12] <crypticreign> oh
[08:12] <kent> shit, and im just upgrading hoary. so, i guess i should not restart metacity then :)
[08:13] <crypticreign> kent: :)
[08:13] <jcoxon77> kent: i don't think they have fixed the bug yet
[08:15] <trey3> The bug fix is getting uploaded soon...
[08:15] <zenrox> hmm thats odd i get a seg fault when i tell xmms to load a dir
[08:16] <Riddell> Tortoose: do you have gnome-menus installed?
[08:16] <njs12345> hmm
[08:16] <njs12345> I'm trying to build dbus from CVS
[08:16] <njs12345> and I get build errors
[08:16] <njs12345> undefined reference to `dbus_internal_do_not_use_generate_bodies`
[08:17] <will> where are the apt-get temporary files located?
[08:17] <crypticreign> jcoxon77: cant seem to find it
[08:17] <ups> will: /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:18] <will> ups: thanks!
[08:18] <ups> will: /var/cache/apt/archives/partial - has the incomplete downloads
[08:18] <ups> np
[08:19] <jcoxon77> crypticreign:go to http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/x11/metacity
[08:19] <crypticreign> jcoxon77: nm i foudn it
[08:19] <ups> seems the metacity upload was just done
[08:19] <Tortoose> Riddell, i lok
[08:19] <Tortoose> i look
[08:20] <crypticreign> ups: was it:
[08:21] <Tortoose> Riddell, I hadn't
[08:21] <Tortoose> Riddell, installing it
[08:21] <trey3> ups, I still see metacity 2.9.5-0ubuntu1 in the archive?
[08:21] <ups> ah
[08:21] <claude> can someone help me with a wifi problem, prolly driver/hardware related
[08:21] <Riddell> Tortoose: not a complete solution I'm afraid, I'm just fact finding.  installing it will give you a limited k-menu but not a complete one
[08:22] <ups> "Accepted metacity 1:2.9.8-0ubuntu1 (source)"
[08:22] <jcoxon77> claude: whats your wifi prob?
[08:22] <tritium> trey3, I just did an update, and "apt-cache policy metacity" shows the new one is avail
[08:22] <ups> i guess only the source
[08:22] <trey3> tritium, just got propagated like 2 secs ago  8)
[08:22] <claude> jcoxon77, I've got a Zyxel ZyAir b-120 and I can't get it seem to 'find' it
[08:23] <jcoxon77> claude: okay, do you know what chipset it has?
[08:23] <claude> jcoxon77, it's got a prims chipset. purdy wide support AFAIK
[08:24] <claude> prism
[08:24] <claude> 2 or 2.5 methinks
[08:25] <jcoxon77> claude: when you run dmesg in the terminal is there any mention of it?
[08:25] <claude> just a sec
[08:26] <crypticreign> popey: hmm, i did a install from cd, then had it installs the warty packges, and then upgrade to hoary in an hour
[08:26] <jcoxon77> claude: apparently its actually a zydas zd1201
[08:26] <setite> hey fella
[08:26] <setite> s
[08:26] <jcoxon77> claude: http://www.amperegeruch.de/wlan/b-120.html
[08:27] <setite> how yall doing this find monday afternoon
[08:27] <setite> actually... its 33 minutes from high noon here... but yea you get the point
[08:28] <claude> jcoxon77, Yenta: CardBus bridge found at 0000:00:0b.0 [1584:3002] 
[08:28] <claude> Yenta: ISA IRQ mask 0x0018, PCI irq 5
[08:28] <claude> Socket status: 30000411
[08:28] <claude> NET: Registered protocol family 17
[08:29] <claude> arh... so no wlan for me... ? eveo' it's kindda old by now?
[08:29] <tritium> my new kernel has more mjg59 crack :)
[08:29] <jcoxon77> claude: no i think its possible
[08:29] <repete> Anyone here used the PPC LiveCD?
[08:30] <jcoxon77> claude: if it is a zydas then there is at least a usb driver, cause i just got one working
[08:30] <trey3> I saw this in screenshots... didn't realize it was usable  :o
[08:30] <dud> hi there
[08:30] <AndyR> rebell, no but i would like to but i only have a biege g3
[08:30] <dud> is there a rar for amd64?
[08:30] <claude> jcoxon77, ok, but i'll need help on this though, i'm all new to linux (I'm mostly on FreeBSD)
[08:31] <dud> i get "dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 doe s not appear in package's list (i386)" with apt-get -b source rar
[08:31] <jcoxon77> claude: its funny that you ask cause someone posted on the zydas linux forum about pcmcia support
[08:31] <claude> jcoxon77, lucky, what was the outcome?
[08:32] <jcoxon77> claude: sadly now one has replied, yet
[08:32] <vitaminmoo> 'lo
[08:32] <claude> jcoxon77, dang...
[08:32] <jcoxon77> claude: i'm sure they will, its quite a good forum
[08:32] <jcoxon77> claude: http://linux-lc100020.sourceforge.net/
[08:33] <claude> jcoxon77, cool... so i'll check back in a couple of days?
[08:33] <tritium> trey3, no, actually, 2.9.5ubuntu2 is not in the archive yet
[08:33] <jcoxon77> claude: http://linux-lc100020.sourceforge.net/
[08:33] <jcoxon77> claude: well maybe not... you could perhaps sort it out now
[08:34] <CharlieSu> Are there some good Torrent trackers for ubuntu ?
[08:34] <setite> is there a command besides killall or killall 9 that will close xmms
[08:34] <trey3> tritium, apt-cache show metacity shows it?  (2.9.5-0ubuntu2)
[08:34] <tritium> but I think it'll arrive very soo
[08:34] <tritium> soon
[08:34] <jcoxon77> claude: there are two drivers... the new usb one and also you could use wlan-ng drivers
[08:34] <setite> i was in the middle of a rock out session and it froze
[08:34] <tritium> trey3, no, I was wrong
[08:34] <jcoxon77> claude: which should work...
[08:34] <tritium> but I think it's been uploaded already, so it should be soon
[08:34] <dud> setite, tried xkill?
[08:34] <setite> thats that
[08:34] <setite> how do i do that
[08:34] <claude> jcoxon77, so, i'm gonan go fetch these, and then what?
[08:34] <setite> whats that*
[08:35] <PuGz> does ubuntu have kde? and if not, why not?
[08:35] <CharlieSu> are there Torrents for Ubuntu?
[08:35] <dud> just run xkill and click the window you want to kill with your mouse pointer
[08:35] <setite> ive heard abotu a Kubuntu
[08:35] <setite> but ubuntu chose Gnome... why... because gnome rocks harder than kde
[08:35] <PuGz> indeed it does
[08:35] <PuGz> i was just wondering why not both?
[08:35] <setite> :)... i dunno why... because its easier to work with just one solution?
[08:35] <trey3> tritium, for me... they both show up when I type "apt-cache show metacity"...
[08:35] <PuGz> i like that
[08:36] <jcoxon77> claude: one sec, i'm just checking cause i don't want to was your time
[08:36] <jcoxon77> waste*
[08:36] <claude> jcoxon77, thanks a bunch man...
[08:36] <tritium> trey3, yeah, that's becuase you already have it installed
[08:37] <tritium> look at the version table from apt-cache policy
[08:37] <setite> shit xkill is evil
[08:37] <trey3> tritium, afaik... apt-cache reads from Packages.gz only?
[08:37] <erGoline> hi
[08:37] <setite> hehe i clicked the app bar and it went apeshit
[08:37] <setite> it worked though... thank you dud
[08:37] <setite> you are the man
[08:38] <CharlieSu> is Hoary Stable???
[08:38] <tritium> trey3, no, don't think so
[08:38] <setite> is a gay cuban prostitute stable?
[08:38] <Riddell> PuGz: you can install KDE yes
[08:38] <trey3> CharlieSu, is any Developement branch?
[08:38] <setite> haha... i dont know what i said that...
[08:38] <CharlieSu> trey3, when is its scheduled release date?
[08:38] <PuGz> Riddell: just using apt-get of ubuntu mirrors, or debian mirrors?
[08:38] <setite> ok is there a way to open an app with the terminal
[08:38] <trey3> CharlieSu, April
[08:38] <Riddell> PuGz: using the universe ubuntu respository
[08:39] <setite> that doesnt close when you exit the terminal
[08:39] <vitaminmoo> setite: zsh has a nohup option, not sure about bash, though
[08:39] <PuGz> sweet
[08:39] <erGoline> cannot allocate resource region 0 of device 0000:00:01.4 <<<< ARGH! any help?
[08:39] <setite> whoa... too much unknown info
[08:39] <PuGz> cheers guys... i think i might make the move back to ubuntu
[08:39] <setite> nevermind
[08:39] <morgs> setite: nohup app &
[08:39] <PuGz> (i am one of those distro shifters... cant stay put...)
[08:39] <jcoxon77> claude: hey, i think its best that you wait and see if some one replies to that post. the newer zydas driver is so much better and i'm not even sure if wlan-ng would work
[08:39] <setite> so?
[08:39] <setite> xmms nohup app &
[08:40] <jcoxon77> claude: with a zydas you can even turn it into an access point which is pretty cool...
[08:40] <claude> jcoxon77, can I have the link aagain?
[08:40] <morgs> nohup xmms &
[08:40] <jcoxon77> claude: http://linux-lc100020.sourceforge.net/
[08:40] <setite> shit i think xkill didnt kill all the xmms processes
[08:40] <setite> because xmms wont open now
[08:40] <jcoxon77> claude: good luck and if you need help i'm sure people on here will help
[08:40] <claude> jcoxon77, thanks for your time!
[08:40] <erGoline> I hate All in one LCD PC.. grrr.r..
[08:41] <morgs> ps ax, grep for xmms
[08:41] <setite> what
[08:41] <setite> whats that mean morgs
[08:41] <morgs> in a terminal, type 'ps ax'
[08:42] <tritium> trey3, I can confirm that apt-cache also sees locally installed packages (I installed java-package from debian sid, and it shows up)
[08:42] <setite>  4503 ?        Z      0:24 [xmms]  <defunct>
[08:42] <morgs> look for xmms - the number next to each process is the pid.
[08:42] <setite> ok how do i kill it
[08:42] <morgs> now 'kill -9 4503'
[08:42] <morgs> or whatever the pid happens to be
[08:43] <crypticreign> so is the new metacity
[08:43] <crypticreign> out?
[08:43] <tritium> crypticreign, not quite
[08:43] <tritium> it's been uploaded, so it shouldn't be too long
[08:44] <setite> ah damnit
[08:44] <setite> gonna have to kill x... xmms wont die
[08:45] <seitanan> anybody have a package for (gaim-encryption)http://gaim-encryption.sourceforge.net/ or (OTR)http://www.xelerance.com/mirror/otr/
[08:46] <superted> seitanan: why do you want encryption
[08:46] <seitanan> superted: why not?
[08:46] <setite> killing x didnt do it
[08:46] <setite> ad
[08:46] <setite> fsd
[08:46] <setite> fsd
[08:46] <setite> f
[08:47] <superted> seitanan: well, in this case, because there seems to be no ubuntu package for it.
[08:47] <superted> seitanan: but do you like think the feds are monitoring your conversations?
[08:48] <seitanan> superted: i know and IMHO there should be a package available.. and i don't give a crapp about the feds, i'm more conserned about keeping my private conversations private
[08:52] <seitanan> so am i the onlyone thinking that encrypted IM should be a default feature in any OS?
[08:52] <pvh> seitanan: Nope, there's a gaim plugin.
[08:52] <pvh> seitanan: But of course, the person you're chatting with needs to have it too.
[08:53] <seitanan> pvh: yes i know, and you have to compile it + gaim. if im not mistaken.. i can do it but my friends are not always able to do it
[08:53] <pvh> Can anyone enlighten me to the difference between iCal/vCal?
[08:53] <pvh> seitanan: I thought it was just a userspace plugin, my mistake.
[08:55] <seitanan> pvh: yes i guess a ordinary gaim plugin since that is the default ubuntu IM client
[08:56] <pvh> seitanan: I think you should petition to have it added to ubuntu. I know I'd use it.
[08:59] <seitanan> pvh: yep i'm trying to raise awareness right now, but i don't have a clue about how to get the developers to accept this idea.. i guess ubuntu would get gaim-encryption if debian included it as default
[08:59] <tritium> sladen, you around?
[09:00] <ubhuti> ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed!
[09:00] <tritium> seitanan, maybe you could volunteer to be the maintainer
[09:00] <smurfslay> hi there
[09:01] <smurfslay> can anyone tell me, where i can find alsaconf on my ubuntu?
[09:02] <tritium> smurfslay, I think you would want alsa-utils
[09:02] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, it was too buggy to install for Warty so it was left out.
[09:02] <trey3> seitanan, add here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DesktopSeedProposals
[09:02] <trey3> seitanan, see what happens  :)
[09:02] <smurfslay> i installed the alsa-utils package
[09:02] <smurfslay> but how to configure my soundcard?!
[09:03] <Tortoose> Riddell, my menu is perfectly fine now
[09:03] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, if the installer doesn't work ....sadly by hand :(
[09:03] <Tortoose> Riddell, it seems complete ;)
[09:03] <smurfslay> hmpf... mkay..
[09:03] <Tortoose> Riddell, and kcontrol now run fine (it was empty too)
[09:03] <pvh> Could someone direct me to a resource on Ubuntu mail setup?
[09:03] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, you may just have to remove the oss modules for your soundcard from being loaded
[09:03] <tritium> pvh, I'm not sure if there is one.
[09:04] <pvh> mail: Perhaps a readme on Linux mail spooling then?
[09:05] <seitanan> trey3: that looks like the right place to put a request :)
[09:05] <djuuss> wouter: vraag hier!
[09:05] <djuuss> wouter ik ben geen grub fan zelf..
[09:06] <pvh> tritium: I don't even know how to find out what mail configuration Ubuntu ships with...
[09:06] <tritium> pvh, did you search the wiki and forums?
[09:07] <pvh> tritium: I started with "ubuntu mail" in google, and searched through ubuntuguide.
[09:07] <smurfslay> LinuxJones, can you tell me, what are the "basic" oss packages?
[09:07] <pvh> tritium: I didn't know there was a good ubuntu wiki for that kind of information.
[09:07] <trey3> seitanan, ahh... its already in supportedseed...
[09:07] <smurfslay> <-- n00b
[09:08] <trey3> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SupportedSeedProposals/view?searchterm=gaim-encryption
[09:08] <tritium> pvh, this is the wiki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage
[09:08] <trey3> my bad
[09:08] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, what kind of soundcard do you have ?
[09:08] <trey3> haha... then why is other gaim stuff in DesktopSeed?  :/
[09:08] <tritium> pvh, and this URL is for the forums: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[09:09] <pvh> tritium: Thanks.
[09:09] <thenuke> djuuss: try #unbuntu-XX where XX is your languagecode like ubuntu-en, es, is, it, fi, whatever
[09:09] <smurfslay> i have a dell inspiron 510m with a Intel onboard Audio (AC 97)
[09:09] <tritium> sure
[09:10] <smurfslay> 82801DB(ICH4)
[09:10] <seitanan> trey3: yes i just noticed that myself..  although otr http://www.xelerance.com/mirror/otr is still missing (i don't) know wich is better)
[09:11] <djuuss> thenuke: there is not ubuntu-nl
[09:11] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, according to the hardware compatibility guide you whould be working already >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCards/view?searchterm=sound
[09:11] <thenuke> djuuss: ok. but dont speak nl here anyways
[09:11] <djuuss> roger
[09:11] <will> ahh!! all my mp3s and videos are playing at 2x what the hell is going on?!?!?
[09:12] <seitanan> trey3: anyway i dont care if they use rot13 or whatewer i just wan't some encryption
[09:12] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, have you tried checking your volume controls and make sure nothing is muted or turned down ?
[09:12] <thenuke> djuuss: oh, and there seems to be #ubuntu-nl.. I just had to check..
[09:12] <djuuss> :D
[09:12] <thenuke> so why did you say that there is not?
[09:12] <erGoline> hi again
[09:13] <smurfslay> LinuxJones, i can't adjust the volume.. if i go to the mixer i get the error, that no device is present
[09:13] <trey3> seitanan, seems like otr would be better... states why... under faq...
[09:13] <erGoline> I have some problem configuring X, someone could give me a little help please?
[09:13] <trey3> seitanan, is even a gaim plugin still apparently...
[09:14] <will> ahhh anyone got any ideas on my problem?
[09:14] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, do lsmod | grep  intel8x0 and see if anything is listed
[09:14] <MFen> anyone know where python2.3-svn is?
[09:14] <MFen> *not* -subversion. i know where that one is
[09:14] <MFen> i need the one with pysvn in it
[09:14] <erGoline> login screen appears, I can view the login textbox.. but image is "blurred", and it seems zoomed too..
[09:15] <smurfslay> LinuxJones, that looks goot
[09:15] <smurfslay> good
[09:15] <smurfslay> http://nopaste.biz/?1001
[09:15] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, so you see  intel8x0 listed are the entries prefaced with "snd-" or not
[09:16] <trey3> MFen, its in Universe
[09:16] <MFen> trey3: i'm not finding it, and i have universe enabled
[09:16] <smurfslay> LinuxJones just look at that nopaste link..
[09:16] <MFen> something's kooky here..
[09:16] <will> anyone know why suddenly my ac 97 is playing everything (all output) at 2x??
[09:16] <trey3> MFen, source = pysvn....
[09:16] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, worry was watching tv :D
[09:16] <smurfslay> np :)
[09:17] <MFen> trey3: "unable to find a source package for pysvn".. i definitely have universe, i just double-checked it
[09:17] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, ok that seems to be correct. Try gstreamer-properties and select alsa
[09:18] <jaco> hi all
[09:18] <jaco> :)
[09:18] <jaco> good ubunto everyone :)
[09:18] <jaco> u
[09:18] <LinuxJones> jaco, hi
[09:18] <MFen> trey3: are you on warty?
[09:18] <trey3> MFen, no... but hold on
[09:19] <seitanan> trey3: yep it looks like otr is the best of the two..
[09:19] <smurfslay> LinuxJones - i can select ALSA but if i use the testbutton, an error occurs:
[09:19] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, are you doing that as regular user ?
[09:19] <smurfslay> "Test Forwarding for ALSA couldn't be created"
[09:20] <smurfslay> i called that from root-console
[09:20] <MFen> trey3: apt-file search for pysvn turns up nada
[09:20] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, try form your regular account
[09:20] <trey3> MFen, grrr... hold on... site is being slow...
[09:20] <ermo> interesting. Whenever I give focus to metacity, it crashes. Just upgraded to hoary. Any ideas_
[09:20] <ermo> ?
[09:20] <LinuxJones> god my typing is horrible today :(
[09:20] <MFen> trey3: yes, i noticed that too :)
[09:20] <trey3> ermo, read topic...
[09:21] <ermo> trey3, oh, my bad
[09:21] <smurfslay> LinuxJones, same errors
[09:22] <trey3> ermo, bug is fixed... likely will be propagated soon
[09:22] <LinuxJones> smurfslay, sorry I am out of ideas it outta be working. Maybe try logging out then back in again, I dunno :(
[09:22] <smurfslay> hmm ok.. thanks
[09:23] <LinuxJones> GL
[09:23] <smurfslay> ... so maybe u have the solution for my next problem?! ;)
[09:23] <MFen> trey3: looks like it's only in hoary
[09:24] <smurfslay> i have a notebook with SXGA+ display (1400*1050) but only get a 1280*1024 resolution...
[09:24] <ermo> trey3, lol, tried to 'minimize' bugzilla. And then metacity crashed. Duh. Hehe. By far the cutest bug I've seen in a while.
[09:24] <smurfslay> i patched the VBIOS with the 1400*1050 patch... but without success
[09:24] <trey3> MFen, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/pysvn/  <-- 2.3 is there... just download it?
[09:25] <trey3> ermo, I wanted to kill people...
[09:25] <MFen> trey3: i'm just doing an apt-get source from hoary, i'll build it. thanks though :)
[09:25] <trey3> MFen, that works I guess  :)
[09:26] <MFen> hopefully the version dependencies aren't too picky...
[09:26] <ermo> trey3, I imagine I'll feel the same way in, say ... oh, a few minutes, perhaps? Also, subjectively, fonts are *MUCH* improved from XFree to X.org, methinks.
[09:26] <trey3> MFen, just get the 2.3 package... shouldn't have any hiccups ?
[09:27] <trey3> ermo, mhmm... fontconfig updates rule  :)
[09:27] <trey3> ermo, heh... it was kinda cool till the first time I lost a window entirely... then I started getting mad  ;)
[09:28] <ermo> trey3, I can imagine. At first, I had no idea what was happening. Do you suppose one could just grab the deb-src, apply the patch from the bugzilla and then be done with it?
[09:29] <trey3> ermo, just be patiant... its coming  :)
[09:30] <trey3> ermo, was uploaded a few hours ago... so yeah... give it time or revert to 2.9.3 or so
[09:30] <seitanan> hehe i wish i could say the same about encryption in gaim :)
[09:30] <ermo> trey3, sure thing.
[09:33] <tolstoy> how do you revert to previous metacity?
[09:35] <seb128> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/metacity/
[09:35] <seb128> the 2.9.3 debs are still here
[09:35] <tolstoy> there's no apt-get revert metacity, or something?
[09:37] <seitanan> seb128: wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/metacity/metacity.whatewer.deb && apt-get remove metacity && dpkg -i metacity.whatewer.deb
[09:37] <ermo> trey3, odd. perhaps you could confirm this for me: in desktop->preferences->menus & toolbars, if I select 'text beside icons' i get no text?
[09:38] <seb128> the mirrors should have 2.9.8
[09:38] <seitanan> seb128: ignore that please :)
[09:38] <seitanan> that was meant for tolstoy
[09:38] <seb128> http://mirnyy.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/metacity/ has 2.9.8
[09:38] <tolstoy> seitanan, thanks!  Having a bit of a prob managing these jumping windows. ;)
[09:40] <trey3> ermo, strange... in the config tool itself... yes... in gedit the setting is taken though...
[09:40] <ermo> trey3, so it's not just me?
[09:40] <tolstoy> Ah!  Much better. ;)
[09:41] <ermo> trey3, w00t. I found a bug. *happy tux dance*
[09:41] <ermo> ... ahem.
[09:42] <trey3> seb128, wanna put that in topic also? (so we don't have to keep repeating etc  :)
[09:42] <fraggsta> I've just reinstalled and upgraded to hoary, which doesn't seem to want to install properly..now it will not install the package "gnome"
[09:42] <seb128> trey3: if you want
[09:42] <trey3> seb128, I can't... hence asking you  :)
[09:43] <fraggsta> instead I get:  gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 62ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[09:43] <seb128> fraggsta: "gnome" is not really updated in hoary
[09:43] <seb128> fraggsta: use ubuntu-desktop
[09:43] <fraggsta> also, metacity is constantly segfaulting
[09:43] <trey3> seb128, heh... see... more people then I thought use hoary  ;)
[09:43] <seb128> known issue, read what we were saying
 http://mirnyy.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/metacity/ has 2.9.8
[09:43] <seb128> which fixes the issue
[09:44] <fraggsta> I wasn't here 5 minutes ago :(
[09:44] <trey3> seb128, please change topic  ^_^
[09:44] <fraggsta> but ok
[09:44] <seb128> trey3: I'm not op
[09:44] <seitanan> when is hoary going to be somewhat stable?
[09:44] <seb128> when it's released
[09:45] <fraggsta> is that an APT source, or should I just download a package?
[09:45] <ermo> ... which is around april or so, right?
[09:45] <trey3> seb128, hah... wonder if daniels or anyone is around *cough*
[09:45] <mojo_> I may not be doing rocket science here, but hoary has not given me any grief
[09:45] <seb128> ermo: 5.04
[09:45] <sap> does universe exist for hoary?
[09:45] <seitanan> sure and when is that?
[09:45] <seb128> fraggsta: you can use it as a mirror or download the debs
[09:45] <trey3> sap, yes
[09:45] <ermo> sap: No. There is no spoon.
[09:45] <mojo_> ermo: lol
[09:46] <ermo> seb128, I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand '5.04'? You are asking when that will be stable, right?
[09:46] <hacim> how do I mount my USB cdrom?
[09:46] <trey3> ermo, April 2005
[09:47] <seb128> ermo: 05 is the year, 04 the month
[09:47] <ermo> seb128, ahhh. I see. Good one.
[09:47] <do3cc> Hi, can anybody give me a hint with installing the latest stable version of ubuntu? PS/2 Keyboard is dead after booting the cd...
[09:47] <trey3> Uhh... wait... thats May huh?
[09:47] <fraggsta> what would be a sources.list line for it?
[09:47] <seitanan> hacim: mount /my/USB/cdrom :P
[09:47] <fraggsta> hoary main restricted?
[09:48] <djuuss> only when its in /etc/fstab tho
[09:48] <trey3> fraggsta, deb http://mirnyy.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[09:48] <djuuss> otherwise use sudo mount /my/usb/cdrom /my/perfectly/normal/and/usable/and/not/at/all/impractical/mount/point
[09:49] <hacim> seitanan: is there anyway to get the CDROM icon in "Desktop" to do that?
[09:49] <fraggsta> trey3: thanks
[09:49] <ermo> ngghh ... must .. have .. new .. metacity .. yesterday
[09:49] <ermo> trey3, I think I just hit the threshold.
[09:50] <seitanan> hacim: try dmesg|grep hd* and what do you get?
[09:50] <hacim> seitanan: just hda
[09:50] <hacim> seitanan: it appears as sr0
[09:51] <fraggsta> people might hate me for this question since the site says that it's "coming soon" but any idea when x.org will go into whatever ubuntu calls its stable distro in future?
[09:51] <HrdwrBoB> don't use sudo mount for cdroms
[09:51] <HrdwrBoB> use pmount
[09:51] <HrdwrBoB> mount /dev/sr0
[09:51] <darkling> fraggsta: April.
[09:51] <hacim> pmount?
[09:51] <seitanan> hacim: ok.. try mount /dev/sr0 /home/hacim/test
[09:51] <hacim> seitanan: that works
[09:51] <HrdwrBoB> pmount even
[09:51] <duzchip> Anyone know if it's hard to install a cs-server on ubuntu?
[09:51] <HrdwrBoB> pmount will automagically mount the device in /media/
[09:51] <duzchip> It's only for testing, i know ubuntu isn't the best dist for servers
[09:52] <hacim> seitanan: but I want to get the device to work without requiring to type that (click on the cdrom icon)
[09:52] <mojo_> i am running x.org now, seems to work fine
[09:53] <seitanan> hacim: i'm guessing you have to put something in your /etc/fstab
[09:55] <fraggsta> I've had far too much "excitement" today, what with getting an RMAed replacement HDD, reinstalling ubuntu, accidentally deleting a reiserfs partition full of data and dealing with RL hassles :(
[09:55] <quitte_> is the xorg package structure very hard to understand? is it possible for someoene with advanced knowledge about debian package management to change the xorg source package to work with cvs?
[09:55] <quitte_> can *I* do it in let's say 12 hours?
[09:55] <quitte_> I *need* xorg cvs
[09:57] <ermo> trey3, I just experienced that. I remove the core X packages and those 2 stopped being a pain.
[09:57] <ermo> *removed, even.
[09:57] <ermo> bah. *experienced.
[09:57] <ztonzy> hey :)
[09:57] <trey3> ermo, eh... but I want gnomemeeting  :/
[09:57] <ztonzy> anyone here that owns a Shuttle mainboard ?
[09:58] <ermo> oh. forgot about that
[09:58] <trey3> ztonzy, just ask the question...
[09:58] <erGoline> uff.. no help with my xfree? :\
[09:58] <trey3> erGoline, whats the problem?
[09:58] <erGoline> trey3: hi, login screen appears, I can view the login textbox.. but image is "blurred", and it seems zoomed too..
[09:58] <fhobia> hey guys...what package do i install to get gcc man pages?
[09:59] <trey3> erGoline, curser fairly large?
[09:59] <ztonzy> trey3, hmm sorry...it seems no matter what I do, I get "Ext3 Filesystem error" now and then...but using XP never gives me error, even other distros....debian and fedora gave me similar error
[09:59] <erGoline> I view a lot of lines.. etc..
[09:59] <ztonzy> trey3, so I think it comes down to the hardware :-/
[10:00] <Vjaz> fhobia: gcc
[10:00] <erGoline> trey3, curser?
[10:00] <trey3> ztonzy, Fedora and Debian default to ext3  ... suse etc do not...
[10:00] <trey3> erGoline, trying to see if what you say is related to resolution or what...
[10:00] <fhobia> Vjaz, well, some guy installed gcc ...but when he does "man gcc" nothing comes up ?
[10:00] <ztonzy> trey3, well I havent used suse
[10:00] <ztonzy> trey3, problem is...that every now and then it gives me that error...
[10:01] <Vjaz> fhobia: Maybe it's different in Warty if that's what he's using.
[10:01] <Vjaz> fhobia: I have Hoary.
[10:01] <fhobia> yeah its Warty
[10:01] <ztonzy> so I got tired of it and now in meantime I only use XP
[10:01] <trey3> ztonzy, if nothing seems wrong... and fsck.ext3 gives nothing (I think thats the command) I wouldn't worry about it...
[10:01] <ztonzy> trey3, and I use Ubuntu otherwise :)
[10:01] <ztonzy> trey3, I have even needed to run it with that...using Knoppix
[10:02] <ztonzy> and fixed it
[10:02] <ztonzy> trey3, but doing that all the time makes one tired
[10:02] <lerio> hi! i just upgraded metacity in hoary and not able to minimize/close/resize windows anymore. any clues?
[10:02] <trey3> ztonzy, old harddrive?
[10:02] <ztonzy> trey3, oh no!  I bought it in august or sept
[10:02] <ztonzy> Seagate...dont know the model now
[10:02] <ztonzy> 80GB 2MB cache
[10:02] <erGoline> trey3, I'm changing resolution in XF86Config.. is there a quick way to test them?
[10:02] <ztonzy> ata100
[10:02] <trey3> lerio, add this to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://mirnyy.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[10:03] <trey3> erGoline, hit ctrl alt backspace
[10:03] <lerio> trey3: ok
[10:03] <Vjaz> fhobia: do you have a system that has the man page?
[10:03] <Vjaz> fhobia: if you do, try 'dpkg -S gcc.1.gz' there
[10:03] <ermo> lerio, in case you are wondering, it kills the X server
[10:03] <Vjaz> fhobia: on a terminal
[10:04] <ermo> lerio, which is then promptly restarted by gdm
[10:04] <trey3> lerio, yeah... thats all... contains fix  :)
[10:04] <tritium> fhobia, manpages-dev is what you want
[10:04] <ztonzy> trey3, some guy told me he think have heard some errors using linux and some shuttle mobo...but I dont know
[10:04] <ermo> trey3, ... not to mention a new version number *rrreeeeooorww*
[10:04] <Sav> Anyone know hot to get the monitor to work on a Dell D800? "Display needed some major tweaking to get working. Manual ModeLines had to be added."
[10:04] <fhobia> tritium, Vjaz: i'm only using the livecd to be honest and trying to help a new guy in linux
[10:05] <fhobia> tritium, that worked!
[10:05] <erGoline> trey3, thanks.. but same "blurry" screen..
[10:05] <fhobia> thank you
[10:05] <ermo> Sav, CRT or LCD?
[10:05] <tritium> fhobia, sure ;)
[10:05] <lerio> trey3, ermo: yeah, i guessed so ;)
[10:05] <fhobia> tritium, Vjaz: you just kept one more person on linux...he almost went back
[10:05] <Sav> Laptop tft
[10:05] <fhobia> lol
[10:05] <tritium> lerio, which version of metacity do you have please?
[10:05] <Vjaz> fhobia: for not finding the GCC man page? what kind of a person is this?
[10:05] <trey3> erGoline, I don't really understand what you mean by blurry  :(
[10:05] <trey3> lerio, issue resolved
[10:05] <ztonzy> trey3, it is this mainboard model:  AN35/N Ultra
[10:06] <trey3> tritium, ^^
[10:06] <ztonzy> Shuttle
[10:06] <Sav> ermo: laptop tft
[10:06] <fhobia> Vjaz, we had a "free your machine" event where we installed ubuntu on everybody that brought their machine
[10:06] <trey3> tritium, put this in your paste cache: deb http://mirnyy.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[10:06] <erGoline> trey3, I could bring my digital camera and take a picture :)
[10:06] <ermo> erGoline, as in 'not syncing'? where all you see is 'flickering stripes' but no real image?
[10:06] <tritium> lerio, it's fixed, and the package is uploaded.  just not in the repo yet
[10:06] <fhobia> Vjaz, most of these people want to try it out for systems programming class
[10:06] <ermo> Sav, oh.
[10:06] <trey3> erGoline, haha... worth a shot  8)
[10:06] <tritium> trey3, what for?
[10:06] <trey3> tritium, you're lagging pretty bad huh?
[10:06] <Vjaz> fhobia: hm... ok, what OS did he previously have then?
[10:06] <ermo> fhobia, you installed ubuntu on ... everybody?
[10:06] <tritium> trey3, I have ti.
[10:07] <fhobia> Vjaz, windows
[10:07] <erGoline> ermo, no.. still image.. very blurry with vertical and horizontal lines
[10:07] <tritium> lerio, doesn't have it
[10:07] <ztonzy> no hardware expert on mobos ;) ?
[10:07] <lerio> tritium: 2.9.5-0
[10:07] <trey3> tritium, it has metacity 2.9.8 ...  and I'm already getting sick of pasting...
[10:07] <lerio> tritium: ok
[10:07] <fhobia> ermo, errr their computer? we didn't insert the cd into their...
[10:07] <tritium> lerio, ubuntu1 or ubuntu2?
[10:07] <trey3> lerio, yea... just go update and upgrade from what I told you
[10:07] <ermo> fhobia, hehe. Had to ask ;)
[10:07] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: my board is shuttle (it's a sng41 shuttle box), and I have no problems
[10:07] <lerio> tritium: 1
[10:07] <tritium> lerio, that's the problem
[10:07] <erGoline> ermo, mouse pointer is quite visibile but it's square
[10:07] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: make sure you have your BIOS updated
[10:07] <lerio> tritium: ok. thanks a lot!
[10:08] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, hmm...okej
[10:08] <fhobia> we really appreciate the free cd thing...
[10:08] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, I do have latest
[10:08] <ermo> erGoline, does your display have a button where you can see the horisontal frequency in kHz?
[10:08] <ermo> horizontal, even
[10:08] <erGoline> ermo, no :(
[10:08] <estebandido> is anyone familiar with the conexant modem driver install process?
[10:09] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, that was one of the thing I did trying to fix the error...even changed IDE cables 3 times...
[10:09] <mbp_> erGoline/ermo: what about changing the refresh using xrandr?
[10:10] <ermo> mbp_, excellent idea. Definitely worth a try.
[10:10] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: Have you tested the drive with any low level error checking software?
[10:10] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, for windows or how ?
[10:10] <Sav> ermo: any ideas about tft not working on Dell D800?
[10:10] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, I guess not :/
[10:10] <erGoline> mbp_, how?
[10:10] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: Not sure about windows software, but some linux livecds come with badblocks and friends
[10:10] <ermo> Sav, yes, but it requires that you understand how to compute modelines...
[10:11] <fhobia> interesting, no gpdf on the livecd
[10:11] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, you mean fsck.ext3  ?
[10:11] <fhobia> atleast theres xpdf
[10:11] <lerio> tritium: ehm.. can you retype the repository? :)
[10:11] <Sav> ermo: hmmm, so im pretty fucked?
[10:11] <mbp_> erGoline: first try running "xrandr" in a terminal
[10:11] <ermo> Sav, or, my ide was to try a more conservative modeline
[10:11] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: Nah, that's a filesystem level check, not a block level check
[10:11] <tritium> lerio, http://mirnyy.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/m/metacity/
[10:11] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, hm ok....
[10:11] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: I'm wondering if your hd isn't having problems
[10:11] <ermo> Sav, or ... perhaps ... setting a very conservative HoriSync value_
[10:11] <ermo> ?
[10:11] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo,  other than that my Ubuntu works perfect (almost)
[10:12] <Sav> ermo: hmm, like how ? =)
[10:12] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, well...my latest ideas is targeting the mainboard
[10:12] <lerio> tritium: with deb * hoary universe ?
[10:12] <ermo> erGoline, what monitor and gfx card are you using again?
[10:12] <ztonzy> or rather maiboard+linux
[10:12] <erGoline> mbp_, I switch to a termina with ctrl alt f1..
[10:12] <ermo> Sav, be right with you on that
[10:12] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: Windows may justnot be reporting the problem
[10:12] <tritium> lerio, ?
[10:12] <Sav> ok no hurry =)
[10:13] <erGoline> ermo, is a damend All-in-one LCD PC.. with a sis compatible VGA card
[10:13] <trey3> lerio, you can either just add what I said to /etc/apt/sources.list... and upgrade... or install manually..
[10:13] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, yeah correct...my idea too
[10:13] <tritium> lerio, just grab libmetacity and metacity 2.9.8 for your architecture
[10:13] <trey3> lerio, he is telling you to install manually... I said automatic...
[10:13] <trey3> deb http://mirnyy.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[10:13] <mbp_> erGoline: no, run this froma  gnome-terminal in X
[10:13] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, I did though send it in for service check...but they didnt found any error...and also, the onboard NIC works perfect in XP....in linux I can get network lag
[10:13] <mbp_> at least if your display is good enough to do that?
[10:14] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: Hmm, odd
[10:14] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, if I use Xchat in linux I suddenly see the lagmeter raise...
[10:14] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, never happens in XP
[10:14] <erGoline> mbp_, I cannot view nothing in X! it's all blurred and zoomed in.. no way to view a single char
[10:14] <vitaminmoo> Hmm
[10:14] <ztonzy> indeed odd
[10:14] <vitaminmoo> Googled for linux problems on that bored yet?
[10:14] <ztonzy> board* ?
[10:15] <ztonzy> I tried too
[10:15] <lerio> tritium, i see.. i'm pretty new with repositories and i thought that each line in sources.list needed the deb prefix...
[10:15] <vitaminmoo> yeah
[10:15] <ztonzy> but haven't found yet
[10:15] <tritium> lerio, if you want to add the repo to your sources.list, you can
[10:15] <ermo> sav, in your XF86Config-4, look for the section called 'Monitor'
[10:15] <SirPsy> i have some odd problem with auto-mounting my partitions
[10:15] <tritium> lerio, or, if you just want a quick fix, download those files, and we can used "dpkg -i" to install them
[10:15] <SirPsy> somehow something overrides my settings in fstab and mtab
[10:16] <SirPsy> and mounts my partions other then i want
[10:16] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, but then I dont even if I used the correct search (words)
[10:16] <mbp_> erGoline: have you tried Ctrl-Alt-+ ?
[10:16] <mbp_> (is that enabled in ubuntu by default?)
[10:16] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, been even thinking of buying a cheap VIA KT600 mobo as well...
[10:16] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: something including your motherboard model, linux, and generic problem words
[10:17] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, probably yes
[10:17] <erGoline> mbp_, just reboot.. please wait a minute
[10:17] <tritium> lerio, do you have a preference?
[10:17] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, have been wondering also if has to do with kernels
[10:17] <ztonzy> maybe time to make a custom from 2.6.10
[10:17] <lerio> tritium, i want to put the repository in the sources.list. i added the url and tried to upgrade and now is telling me it is not known
[10:18] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: Could, yeah
[10:18] <spiral> ouah... acpi-support update... Am I dreaming if I hope this will handle my smart battery ?
[10:18] <ermo> mbp_, what's the name of the X log file? I've looked in /tmp and my $HOME but can't seem to locate it?
[10:18] <JoePenguin> ermo: look in /var/log/
[10:18] <mbp_> ermo: /var/log/X.0.log
[10:18] <ermo> JoePenguin, Duh. of course.
[10:18] <tritium> lerio, did you "sudo apt-get update"?
[10:18] <ermo> sorry
[10:18] <trey3> lerio, what did you put in your souces.list?
[10:18] <estebandido> am i right in thinking that the kernel source files are in /usr/include/linux?
[10:18] <erGoline> mbp_, nothing happens
[10:19] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, maybe there's something in the 2.6.8.* series that doesn't like my mobo ;)
[10:19] <JoePenguin> estebandido: no
[10:19] <estebandido> ah
[10:19] <lerio> tritium, yes
[10:19] <trey3> sources.list *
[10:19] <lerio> trey3, only the url
[10:19] <ermo> erGoline, what does your /var/log/X.0.log say?
[10:19] <trey3> lerio, you need the entire line: deb http://mirnyy.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[10:19] <JoePenguin> ermo: mine usually go into /usr/src/ or /usr/local/src/
[10:19] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: Certainly a possibility
[10:19] <ermo> JoePenguin, but that's because you're a tinkerer at heart, isn't it? ;)
[10:20] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, ubuntu is the system I have tried that mostly just works...perfect for my digicam and usb stick
[10:20] <JoePenguin> ermo: something like that :)
[10:20] <vitaminmoo> Running archlinux right now, going to give ubuntu a try on an extra partition, though
[10:20] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, I just wish there also were official KDE for ubuntu too ;)  if one wants to swap
[10:20] <lerio> trey3, ok, it's updating now
[10:20] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, talking about 2.6.10 ?
[10:20] <vitaminmoo> Fortunately that is not something I am concerned about ^_^
[10:21] <ztonzy> aha
[10:21] <trey3> lerio, yay  :)
[10:21] <lerio> trey3 tritium, thanks
[10:21] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, concerned about what ?
[10:21] <erGoline> ermo, I'm checking
[10:21] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: kde
[10:21] <tritium> lerio, sure
[10:21] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, ahaa....
[10:21] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: (:
[10:21] <ztonzy> :P
[10:22] <ztonzy> it is funny ,  either you like gnome or kde
[10:22] <ermo> JoePenguin, well, I'm still trying to find the X.org log. Hm. Maybe I should just ask man. As always. *sigh*
[10:22] <lerio> trey3 tritium, also, a very bad flu is slowing me down... :D
[10:22] <tritium> lerio, you did well
[10:22] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: The really great thing, though, is that they're both available
[10:22] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, archlinux...isn't that a swedish guy who started ?
[10:23] <erGoline> ermo, "vrefresh out of range"
[10:23] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, true !
[10:23] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: Not sure of his origins, that certainly sounds plausible
[10:23] <ermo> erGoline, on a side note, what driver are you using ?
[10:23] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, I think I have ready...( I am swede )
[10:23] <JoePenguin> lerio: I know how you feel. I had to call in my first sick day in 6 months today. :/
[10:23] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: It's quite a nice distribution, just a bit small
[10:23] <ztonzy> read it*
[10:23] <estebandido_> JoePenguin: i got dropped
[10:23] <estebandido_> can you tell me where the source files are? for the kernel, i mean
[10:24] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, I am not that into linux yet...I am sticking to those that still have nice package managements
[10:24] <erGoline> ermo, Generic VGA
[10:24] <JoePenguin> estebandido: if they are not under /usr/src, then you probably don't have them installed.
[10:24] <ermo> ztonzy, I consider myself 'into linux'. I still prefer 'those with nice packagage managements' ;)
[10:25] <vitaminmoo> ztonzy: For a small distro, it's package management is very featureful and stable. I ran Gentoo for a long time, and didn't really miss anything moving to archlinux
[10:25] <JoePenguin> ermo: i agree
[10:25] <estebandido_> JoePenguin: ah.
[10:25] <ztonzy> ermo, aha :)  well I am into linux hehe...using linux more than windows...
[10:25] <estebandido_> so, no conexant drivers for me
[10:25] <ztonzy> vitaminmoo, ok
[10:25] <ermo> JoePenguin, and if you didn't, why would you hang out in #ubuntu? *innocent look*
[10:25] <erGoline> ermo, but I see a lot of SIS(0): lines on the log..
[10:26] <JoePenguin> ermo: In the spirit of helping out, perhaps?
[10:26] <lerio> JoePenguin, i hate this.. it reminds me when i WANTED a flu when i was in high school...
[10:26] <tritium> lerio, are you all set now?
[10:26] <ermo> JoePenguin, true :D
[10:26] <estebandido_> someone told me there were drivers for winmodems that come installed, or at least included
[10:26] <estebandido_> can anyone confirm?
[10:26] <lerio> tritium, it's upgrading
[10:26] <Sav> ermo: ok im back, found Monitor lina, now what?
[10:27] <Sav> line
[10:27] <tritium> lerio, okay.
[10:27] <lerio> tritium, it's upgrading to 2.9.8-0
[10:27] <tritium> lerio, good deal.  :)
[10:27] <sm-afk> estebandido_: slmodem handles some of them
[10:27] <erGoline> ermo, sorry, driver is "sis"
[10:27] <ermo> Sav, try setting VertRefresh to 60
[10:27] <estebandido_> how do i make use of slmodem?
[10:28] <Sav> ermo: its on VertRefresh 43-60
[10:28] <Sav> only "60" ?
[10:28] <ermo> Sav, sure. It will lock it down.
[10:28] <sm-afk> install it via synaptic, if you think it covers your modem - there's a modem detection script I'd recommend running first
[10:29] <ermo> erGoline, what's your XF86Config-4 'vertrefresh' setting?
[10:29] <estebandido_> yeah, i saw that
[10:29] <ermo> erGoline, and what resolution are you aiming for?
[10:29] <sm-afk> ScanModem ? I think that was it
[10:29] <estebandido_> i have a standard rockwell winmodem
[10:30] <Sav> ermo: same thing, black screen.
[10:30] <ermo> Sav, wait, you have a 1280x800 wide screen monitor?
[10:30] <erGoline> ermo, rebooting.... vref was quite low  (32-49..) and I'm trying a simple 1024x768
[10:31] <Sav> 1920*1680 something
[10:31] <ermo> erGoline, in a LCD, try aiming for 60 or 75
[10:31] <ermo> Sav, it's a dell dimension <what model again?>
[10:31] <Sav> ermo: Dell D800
[10:32] <erGoline> ermo, ok (the best way to kill X so I can restart it with startx?)
[10:32] <vitaminmoo> bbl, installing
[10:32] <ermo> erGoline, still trey3's ctrl+alt+backspace :D
[10:33] <ermo> erGoline, alternatively, shut down gdm with /etc/init.d/gdm stop (or xdm, can't remember which)
[10:33] <erGoline> ermo, but the I have to kill manually the proccess, right?
[10:33] <ermo> erGoline, the X server?
[10:33] <Sav> this works "/etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[10:33] <erGoline> ermo,  yeah
[10:33] <ermo> erGoline, you can manually kill the current X-Server with ctrl+alt+backspace (not delete, that's a *bit* differeng :D)
[10:34] <erGoline> ermo, ctrl+alt+backsp bring me to the text login for 3 secs, the the X (blurry screen) came back!
[10:35] <Sav> erGoline start it up in safe mode, and install "shh"? easy to access then
[10:35] <ermo> erGoline, go to your text console, become root (a neat magical incantation, that, 'become root') and do a /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[10:35] <kbrooks> ok
[10:35] <kbrooks> ermo, ...
[10:35] <kbrooks> erGoline, like this:
[10:35] <kbrooks> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[10:35] <Sav> ermo: any other isea to the the tft to work?
[10:35] <kbrooks> type in your user  password
[10:36] <Sav> *ideas
[10:36] <kbrooks> and press enter
[10:36] <erGoline> ermo, Sav, kbrooks : ok thanks :)
[10:36] <ermo> Sav, do you have a normal 4:3 aspect lcd screen? or is it a wide screen?
[10:37] <Sav> ermo: wide
[10:37] <ermo> kbrooks, guess your explanation hit the more appropriate level of abstraction. Thanks for spotting it.
[10:37] <Sav> ermo: id looked up my res, its 1920x1600
[10:37] <ermo> Sav, holy macaroni!
[10:37] <Sav> 1920*1200 sorry =)
[10:38] <ermo> Sav, so it's a wide screen thingy
[10:38] <Sav> yep
[10:40] <lerio> trey3 tritium, ok - now it works fine!
[10:40] <trey3> lerio, :)
[10:40] <tritium> lerio, good job, dude :)
[10:40] <erGoline> ermo, Sav, kbrooks : no way to find the right refresh rate.. I now get a lot of vertical lines (ubuntu login screen colors!)
[10:41] <lerio> trey3 tritium, now.... how much do you know about grub? :)
[10:41] <ermo> Sav, I'm working on it
[10:41] <trey3> lerio, depends what you need to know  :)
[10:41] <pAntZ> i have just installed the french language pack for openoffice but have no idea how to activate it - any clues?
[10:41] <tritium> lerio, shoot
[10:41] <Sav> ermo: ok, I appreciate that
[10:42] <ermo> erGoline, what's the physical resolution of your lcd display?
[10:42] <erGoline> 1024x768
[10:43] <ermo> erGoline, and you get an icky looking picture when you actually use a standard 60Hz 1024x768 mode?
[10:43] <lerio> trey3 tritium, ok. i'm trying to switch completely to ubuntu. so i have a laptop in which ubuntu is installed and working fine. then there is a desktop pc connected with crosscable in which i just installed warty with no probs. but, after the first reboot i get this error message:
[10:43] <lerio> trey3 tritium, GRUB loading, please wait...... Error 2
[10:43] <ermo> erGoline, well, give VertRefresh 75 a shot.
[10:43] <erGoline> ermo, I get just vertical lines :D
[10:44] <tritium> lerio, I've not seen that before.
[10:44] <erGoline> ermo, by the way I have to install it with VGA=771 because the text install screen had problems too
[10:44] <ermo> erGoline, refresh me on the 771 vesa mode, please?
[10:44] <erGoline> ermo, now I tryed 50-75
[10:45] <trey3> lerio, ahh... error 2 = unable to mount... thats bad...
[10:45] <fhobia> ...no way to play MP3s on the live cd !?
[10:46] <erGoline> ermo, from log: "Replaced entire mode list with built-in modes"
[10:46] <lerio> trey3 tritium, shall i try with lilo or there's another way to fix it?
[10:46] <trey3> lerio, you have a livecd handy?
[10:46] <erGoline> using hsync range of 28-80
[10:46] <lerio> yes
[10:46] <erGoline> using vsync range of 56-71
[10:47] <lerio> trey3 tritium, yes
[10:47] <tritium> lerio, I'll let trey3 help you, okay?  He gets pissy when I help "his customers"
[10:47] <erGoline> ermo, it's ignoring my setup  :(
[10:47] <ermo> erGoline, does it detect the monitor, too?
[10:47] <ermo> erGoline, so it would seem.
[10:48] <trey3> lerio, you can fix it from there... :)
[10:48] <lerio> tritium, customers?? you mean there'll be a bill after that?? :D thanks 4 ur help!
[10:48] <tritium> lerio, nah, no bill, man :)
[10:48] <tritium> we just help when we can :)
[10:49] <lerio> trey3, how do i do that?
[10:50] <trey3> lerio, boot into the livecd first  :)
[10:50] <lerio> trey3, no matter if it isn't an ubuntu live cd?
[10:50] <erGoline> ermo, "detected LCD/Plasma panel (1024x768, 14, non-exp., RGB18 [e2e7ff] )"
[10:50] <trey3> lerio, nope, doesn't really matter...
[10:50] <trey3> lerio, hopefully, we just need to edit one file  :)
[10:51] <fhobia> -_- can't install any packages while using livecd and can't play mp3
[10:51] <fhobia> bummers :|
[10:51] <ermo> erGoline, try checking the log for notes pertaining to acceleration
[10:52] <erGoline> ermo, lunching xf86cfg finally I'm able to view someting "clear" but resolution is very low and mouse doesn't work
[10:52] <ermo> erGoline, tried with 800x600 yet?
[10:53] <ermo> erGoline, hang on just a sec, please.
[10:53] <lerio> trey3, the cd drive is damaged so it will take a while... i'll call when i'm ready
[10:54] <trey3> lerio, haha... sounds like a plan  :)
[10:54] <erGoline> ermo, ok.. I'm trying some random settings.. :)
[10:55] <lerio> trey3, i'd call it a torture... (the cd-driver) :)
[10:55] <ermo> erGoline, maybe try setting your driver to something different than SIS. Like vga.
[10:56] <DAC1138> ubutu was good....until i found oyu it wont let you build a custom kernel!
[10:56] <DAC1138> a vanilla kernel didnt work either
[10:56] <trey3> DAC1138, Debian even has its own tool to make it easier...
[10:56] <Pluk> lol DAC1138 you can perfectly build a custom kernel with it
[10:56] <andres_> somebody knows how to donwload and instal xmule in ubuntu?
[10:56] <DAC1138> its not building, its BOOTING thats the problem
[10:57] <tritium> lerio, see you later man.  trey3's a good guy, so you're in good hands.  I was just teasing him earlier.
[10:57] <DAC1138> ubuntu has done something with grub or the base system
[10:57] <trey3> DAC1138, apt-get build-dep is your friend...
[10:57] <Pluk> you tried the initrd thingy yet?
[10:57] <trey3> DAC1138, as is kernel-package  8)
[10:57] <DAC1138> trey3, were you in here last night listening to my problem?
[10:57] <dags> andres_, apt-get install xmule (it's in the "universe" repository)
[10:58] <lerio> tritium, thanks again and have a nice day/night!
[10:58] <trey3> DAC1138, nope... fraid not  :(
[10:58] <lerio> trey3, ok, i'm ready!
[10:58] <DAC1138> i HAVE TO HAVE the kernel source to the current running kernel to get it running, the one ubuntu downloaded isnt it
[10:58] <trey3> lerio, alright... you just did a default install?
[10:58] <trey3> lerio, no repartitioning etc?
[10:58] <amos> hullo
[10:59] <lerio> trey3, custom w home&root in one partition
[10:59] <Upayavira> Is it possible to install Ubuntu from CD onto already ext3 formatted HDD, without reformatting? (I will move existing Debian stuff into a /debian folder)
[10:59] <luis_> anyone know what happened to the NetworkManager work that thom was doing?
[10:59] <trey3> lerio, ok... /boot wasn't seperated?
[10:59] <andres_> where is the universe repository?
[11:00] <BockBilbo> hello
[11:00] <billytwowilly> /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:00] <billytwowilly> uncomment the universe stuff.
[11:00] <lerio> trey3, i don't think so. i have only two partitions: swap & ext
[11:01] <BockBilbo> i see that the developers had added openoffice 2.0 beta version to the apt repositories in hoary
[11:01] <BockBilbo> !!!!
[11:01] <BockBilbo> :D
[11:01] <BockBilbo> but..
[11:01] <BockBilbo> i have a question
[11:01] <BockBilbo> im helping a OOo developer from france
[11:01] <forceflow501> hey
[11:01] <dags> andres_, yep, just remove the #'s that are before "deb http...... universe"
[11:02] <BockBilbo> and we are having a really strange error while trying to install his deb packages
[11:02] <BockBilbo> :
[11:02] <BockBilbo> insuficient read in buffer_copy (error in dpkg-deb during `./opt/openoffice.org1.9.73/share/template/fr/wizard/letter/zh-TW/bus-office_l.ott
[11:02] <BockBilbo> does anyone now what it means?
[11:02] <forceflow501> i'm new to ubuntu, how do i install the apache, ftp, sendmail and other server packages?
[11:02] <BockBilbo> forceflow501,
[11:02] <BockBilbo> apt
[11:02] <BockBilbo> or synaptics
[11:02] <cardador> forceflow501: use Synaptic
[11:02] <thenuke> forceflow501: try synaptic or apt-get
[11:03] <thenuke> forceflow501: apt-get install package from commandline and if you prefer gui, synaptic from the menus
[11:03] <forceflow501> thanks, i can do GUI or CLI
[11:03] <andres_> once i have removed the #'s ?
[11:03] <fhobia> are apt and synaptic intertwined so that if you use apt, the changes will be reflected in synaptic ?
[11:04] <dags> andres_, save the file, apt-get update and then apt-get install xmule
[11:04] <cardador> forceflow501: Synaptic=gui, apt-get=cli
[11:04] <forceflow501> k
[11:04] <cardador> forceflow501: go to Computer > Sys conf > Synaptic
[11:05] <andres_> thanks, it's in process
[11:05] <amos> is it possible to mount from the GUI?
[11:06] <forceflow501> you guys are great this is the best linux support i have seen
[11:06] <cardador> amos: normally, stuff just auto-mount in Ubuntu
[11:07] <amos> hmm, I don't think my fat/ntfs filesystems were mounted
[11:09] <njan> amos, they wouldn't have been if you didn't select them to be mounted during installation
[11:09] <cardador> amos: fat and ntfs are not mounted by default on Ubuntu. you have to edit /etc/fstab and add them
[11:09] <njan> amos, if you want it to happen automatically, you'll have to edit /etc/fstab
[11:09] <njan> cardador, they are if you select them to be mounted in the installer
[11:09] <amos> oh, cool
[11:09] <cardador> yes you are rigth njan
[11:09] <amos> hmm, I don't remember it asking me
[11:10] <njan> amos, no, it doesn't ask you, you have to select it specifically in the partitioning screen
[11:10] <cardador> amos: look in http://ubuntuguide.org and search for ntfs mounting
[11:10] <amos> ohh yeah
[11:10] <Upayavira> anyone able to tell me whether I can install Ubunto onto an ext3 drive without formatting it?
[11:10] <njan> Upayavira, you probably can, but I wouldn't recommend it
[11:11] <Upayavira> njan: why?
[11:11] <njan> Upayavira, if you have a partition used for /home, you could wipe the other partitions and leave that one (keep it as your /home partition) to preserve data; that would work fine
[11:11] <njan> Upayavira, because you'll have mess from the previous linux distro scattered everywhere
[11:11] <cardador> amos: http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[11:11] <njan> Upayavira, depending upon what was on there previously. If you had gentoo on it, you'd have a bunch of crap in /usr/portage, for instance.
[11:11] <Upayavira> njan: I would move everything else out of the way, /dev/, /lib, everything into a /debian folder.
[11:11] <forceflow501> where is mysql located?
[11:12] <njan> Upayavira, in which case, I don't see there being a problem. Is your goal preserving your old distro, or preserving your old data?
[11:12] <amos> thanks :>
[11:12] <Upayavira> njan: preserving option of returning to my old distro if Ubuntu doesn't work out, and also preserving data
[11:13] <njan> Upayavira, you'd be better off backing up the whole drive and reformatting, or just preserving selected bits and pieces (/etc, /home, etc)
[11:13] <cardador> forceflow501: in Synaptic you can find it, just click the properties buttonm then installed files
[11:13] <njan> tbh, the hassle of moving directories back into place and running grub is more than it would be to just reinstall, unless you've *really* hacked debian
[11:15] <njan> but it's up to you. You could move stuff into a folder, install, and have little or no problem :)
[11:17] <erGoline> ermo, xf86config broke down my config file and now mouse doesn't work arg!
[11:17] <erGoline> ermo, is there a way to recall the first setup config utility?
[11:17] <ermo> erGoline, ping?
[11:17] <ermo> erGoline, I'm sure there is. Hang on.
[11:17] <Guardiann> that metacity bug was fixed very fast  impressive guys thanks
[11:18] <ermo> erGoline, you are on Warty?
[11:18] <cardador> erGoline: check in /etc/X11/ if you dont have a XF86Config-4.old or smt like that
[11:18] <erGoline> ermo, yes Warty
[11:18] <bobalien> are there downloadable versions of hoary yet?
[11:18] <bobalien> i looked but got confused in the filesystem
[11:18] <bobalien> and i got light headed and passed out
[11:19] <ermo> erGoline, dpkg-reconfigure <proper X package name which I happen to not remember :(>
[11:19] <ermo> erGoline, I'm checking up on it
[11:19] <trey3> bob2, yes.. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/  "daily" and "sounder" ...
[11:20] <erGoline> ermo, thanks but don't waste your time.. I will try to search it :)
[11:20] <crimsun> ermo: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:20] <crimsun> ^^ erGoline
[11:20] <andres_> goodbye
[11:20] <mdke> hi there. I'm just playing around installing ubuntu on a centrino laptop. It has gone brilliantly, everything is setup nicely except I have one problem: ifconfig shows that the wireless device in the centrino has a HWaddr of 00:00:00:00:00:00
[11:20] <mdke> anyone?
[11:20] <erGoline> crimsun, perfect thanks
[11:20] <mdke> i'm not familiar with centrinos on linux
[11:20] <forceflow501> what are ipp, rpcbind, and maitrd?
[11:21] <ermo> forceflow501, rpcbind is part of the portmapper (NFS needs it)
[11:21] <forceflow501> hmmm ok
[11:21] <forceflow501> thanks
[11:21] <trey3> crimsun, any experiance fixing GRUB error 2? LiveCD mounting drives renders commands useless... so I'm confused...  :(
[11:21] <trey3> crimsun, pretty hosed hd it seems....
[11:21] <ermo> forceflow501, ipp ... I'm guessing Internet Printing Protocol
[11:22] <ermo> forceflow501, although I could very well be off.
[11:22] <soulsyphon> ubuntu looks kewls
[11:22] <soulsyphon> kewl*
[11:22] <crimsun> trey3: you receive that error when you boot from the Warty livecd?
[11:22] <mdke> anyone?
[11:23] <trey3> crimsun, no.. someone I'm trying to help gets it when booting from hd...
[11:23] <ermo> soulsyphon, it _feels_ kewl too! *pets his ubuntu affectionately*
[11:23] <dubious9> hello all, does anybody play with midi?  I can't get my soundblaster work with midi files.
[11:23] <soulsyphon> feels too lol
[11:23] <dubious9> oh, and yes, ubuntu feels very good to the eyes ;)
[11:23] <soulsyphon> thats good
[11:23] <ermo> *rreeeoorrrwww*
[11:23] <crimsun> mdke: try searching the wiki for laptop support
[11:24] <soulsyphon> cause at like three AM nobody wants yellow on red =/
[11:24] <mdke> crimsun, ok.
[11:24] <mdke> no one has a centrino here?
[11:24] <dubious9> AMD here, sorry mdke
[11:24] <Vjaz> mdke: I do
[11:24] <Vjaz> mdke: hm.. well actually no
[11:24] <mdke> Vjaz, ?
[11:24] <Pluk> centrino without the intel wireless
[11:24] <Vjaz> mdke: I don't have a Centrino, but I do have a Pentium M... which were you looking for
[11:24] <Vjaz> ?
[11:24] <crimsun> mdke: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[11:25] <trey3> crimsun, Error 2 = Bad disk, cannot mount ...
[11:25] <mdke> crimsun, no good
[11:26] <ermo> Sav, regarding your D800
[11:26] <soulsyphon> so how secure is ubuntu OOB?
[11:26] <ermo> Sav, perhaps it would be a nice move to add your working modeline here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[11:26] <crimsun> soulsyphon: secure enough to not require an active iptables ruleset
[11:26] <mdke> ermo, yes
[11:26] <soulsyphon> ok
[11:27] <mdke> ermo, i thought i would try and run ubuntu on this centrino laptop in order to add to that wiki
[11:27] <ermo> mdke, so fair and noble goals thou dost pursue, good sir
[11:28] <trey3> crimsun, I'm guessing its a knoppix livecd... tring to fix an ubuntu machine... when mounting /  to /mnt... can no longer use commands?
[11:28] <Sav> ermo: login needed to add?
[11:28] <ermo> Sav, register?
[11:28] <Sav> just asking =)
[11:29] <ermo> Sav, =] 
[11:29] <crimsun> trey3: hmm, does the user progress as far as being able to mount / onto /mnt ?
[11:29] <Sav> hmm my email is not valid... lol =)
[11:29] <soulsyphon> i guess its a shame i found the ubuntu guide after i starting installing it =/
[11:29] <trey3> crimsun, yup... mount is completed... but ls etc after to look around...
[11:30] <trey3> crimsun, I guess actually... real answer is "not sure"... but there is no error apparently...
[11:30] <trey3> crimsun, no way to see thats its mounted... other than no error...
[11:31] <erGoline>  ermo, crimsun : wooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[11:31] <ermo> erGoline, congrats!
[11:31] <ermo> erGoline, what gives?
[11:31] <erGoline> ermo, crimsun: at 320x200 hahahaha! but now I can view something at least
[11:32] <erGoline> :)
[11:32] <ermo> erGoline, poor sod ;)
[11:32] <erGoline> I reconfigure X using the command crimsum gives
[11:32] <crimsun> trey3: what's the rescue attempt for?
[11:32] <ermo> erGoline, next step has to be 640x480?
[11:32] <kobach> hi all
[11:32] <crimsun> trey3: what's broken in the filesystem?
[11:32] <erGoline> ermo, hahaha yes  :D
[11:33] <jcoxon77> hi everyone
[11:33] <ermo> erGoline, using the 'vga' driver?
[11:33] <trey3> crimsun, right now... trying to see exactly whats wrong... if its config error or what... (guessing not at this point) ... says he's never gotten GRUB to work though...
[11:33] <erGoline> ermo, no 'sis' one
[11:33] <cardador> erGoline: what happens when you press "ctrl"+"alt"+"+" or "-" ?
[11:33] <kobach> i cant get my intel ethernet card to work. ive had it working once but it just wont connect anymore. can anyone help me
[11:34] <crimsun> mdke: using hte ipw2100 chipset/driver?
[11:34] <crimsun> the^
[11:34] <cg0def> is gnome 2.9.4 in apt already?
[11:34] <crimsun> cg0def: hoary? yes.
[11:34] <cg0def> how do I get to it though?
[11:34] <crimsun> cg0def: are you running hoary?
[11:34] <cg0def> sorry I'm new to apt
[11:35] <cg0def> yes I am
[11:35] <spiral> I want to install hoary for a friend of mine, should I use snapshots build or warty & then apt-get -u dist-upgrade in hoary ?
[11:35] <trey3> crimsun, system will not boot... want to look at /etc/fstab, /boot/grub/menu.lst etc... see if anything can be done... maybe try installing LILO or reinstalling GRUB... but none is possible if media doesn't mount and allow interaction  :(
[11:35] <crimsun> cg0def: if you're running hoary, then you're already running 2.9.4ish
[11:35] <crimsun> spiral: up to you
[11:36] <soulsyphon> whats the root pass for a fresh install of ubuntu?
[11:36] <trey3> soulsyphon, use sudo
[11:36] <crimsun> soulsyphon: there is none. It uses sudo.
[11:36] <spiral> crimsun: the two methods don't differ much ?
[11:36] <erGoline> ermo, nothing
[11:36] <soulsyphon> uhhh ok
[11:36] <trey3> soulsyphon, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SudoRoot
[11:36] <forceflow501> how do i start imap?
[11:37] <ermo> erGoline, in 640x480?
[11:37] <crimsun> spiral: they differ in the base material and how much one has to download to sync with current hoary. If one starts with array*, then there're fewer packages to update.
[11:37] <keyshawn2> howdy, any firefox users in here
[11:37] <ermo> erGoline, may I /query?
[11:37] <forceflow501> yep
[11:37] <keyshawn2> i have a search box question.
[11:37] <trey3> crimsun, any ideas at all? ... cuz I'm all out  :(
[11:38] <keyshawn2> i'm trying to add/delete some searches, and I don't know how to do it.
[11:38] <keyshawn2> [no access to root] 
[11:38] <crimsun> trey3: unfortunately, my suggestion will be to try another distro like DSL
[11:38] <cg0def> crimsun: well in that case I suppose I am not running hoary is that the dev branch?
[11:38] <erGoline> ermo, of course
[11:38] <keyshawn2> im trying to figure out how to chmod that directory, but im not sure.
[11:38] <crimsun> cg0def: hoary is the development branch, yes.
[11:39] <mdke> crimsun, sorry for delay. dunno about the driver: it is autodetected nicely
[11:39] <crimsun> trey3: or to use an older suse livecd that still uses lilo :/
[11:39] <Aimio0> me firefox
[11:39] <cg0def> crimsun: ok thanks for the info I guess I'll have to update
[11:39] <Aimio0> Where does reward money for coding come from?
[11:40] <trey3> crimsun, ok... thanks...
[11:40] <mdke> crimsun, have checked yes the driver is ipw2200. Also loaded are ieee80211 80211_crypt and firmware_class
[11:41] <kobach> i cant get my intel ethernet card to work. ive had it working once but it just wont connect anymore. can anyone help me
[11:41] <soulsyphon> so how is having the root account disabled more secure?
[11:41] <mdke> soulsyphon, more?
[11:41] <soulsyphon> since im in the adm group does that mean only i can use sudo?
[11:41] <mdke> soulsyphon, it is defined by /etc/sudoers
[11:41] <soulsyphon> ok
[11:42] <Aimio0> I was wondering what pays for the ubutu bounties ( http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/bounties )
[11:42] <|QuaD-_> i have a few questions about converting a byte to an int. I am doing it by using: (new Integer((new Byte(b).intValue())), now if i put in a non 4 byte number, will it assume it is positive?
[11:42] <mdke> Aimio0, canonical is the company that runs ubuntu
[11:42] <soulsyphon> when i sudo -s it still asks for a password
[11:42] <farruinn> soulsyphon: concerning security, check the RootSudo wiki for details
[11:42] <|QuaD-_> or how does it work, because i am confused about my output
[11:42] <mdke> soulsyphon, yes it should
[11:42] <soulsyphon> im reading it ATM
[11:42] <cg0def> crimsun: sorry for the questions but how would I switch to hoarty? I don't see any iso-s on the servers?
[11:42] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: that's a question for the jdk api docs :)
[11:42] <mdke> cg0def, don't do it
[11:42] <soulsyphon> ah whatever
[11:42] <cg0def> why not?
[11:42] <soulsyphon> ill try it
[11:43] <|QuaD-_> blah
[11:43] <mdke> cg0def, it is the unstable branch
[11:43] <|QuaD-_> no java users here :(
[11:43] <cavediver> Hi everybody. This network manager i hear about. Where do I find that ?
[11:43] <cg0def> yeah I know it is but I was trying to install it on a clean machine that I was going to use for testing not my primary computer
[11:43] <mdke> crimsun, why did you ask about the wifi driver? did you have an idea/
[11:43] <mdke> *?
[11:44] <mdke> cg0def, ok if you have a good net connection, install warty then upgrade from there
[11:44] <crimsun> mdke: I was reading the documentation for it; there's quite a bit searchable via Google
[11:44] <cg0def> mdke: oh but there is still no image, i get it
[11:44] <mdke> crimsun, k i will look into it thanks
[11:44] <cg0def> mdke: thanks
[11:44] <mdke> cg0def, there are some but they are not reliable i believe
[11:44] <dubious9> hey anybody else have a bitch of a time with rythmbox crashing?
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> dubious9: if you have non mp3 files or broken mp3s it can and will crash
[11:45] <cg0def> HrdwrBoB: not always
[11:45] <dubious9> HrdwrBoB: actually I was just trying to listen to internet radio.  crashes every time
[11:46] <dubious9> I also though if I had the apropriate mp3 lib's rythmbox could play mp3s
[11:46] <soulsyphon> so when i sudo it still asks me for a pass
[11:46] <mdke> soulsyphon, yes
[11:46] <soulsyphon> so... im kinda confused
[11:46] <cg0def> but you should update the libs that it uses and also update to the latest version of rythmbox (if you have't)
[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> no, but it's a common problem
[11:46] <crimsun> soulsyphon: use your user's passwd
[11:46] <soulsyphon> i read the wiki
[11:46] <soulsyphon> crimsun, thanks =)
[11:46] <mdke> soulsyphon, what is the prob?
[11:46] <trey3> dubious9, I've been listening to a shoutcast stream (DI.fm) for the better part of 3 hours straight...
[11:46] <kobach> i cant get my intel ethernet card to work. ive had it working once but it just wont connect anymore. can anyone help me
[11:46] <soulsyphon> mdke all good
[11:46] <mdke> k
[11:46] <soulsyphon> i didnt know the root pass was the same as my user pass
[11:46] <farruinn> it's not
[11:46] <soulsyphon> i understand the model now
[11:47] <dubious9> trey3: hmm... maybe it's a problem with my setup somehow
[11:47] <trey3> soulsyphon, its not... sudo requires you to confirm its you...  ;)
[11:47] <farruinn> soulsyphon: but since your user is in the sudoers file you can use your password
[11:47] <dubious9> trey3: what soundcard do you have by chance?
[11:47] <mdke> you know something that could be improved in ubuntu: colours for the [ok] oot boxes in the initscripts on b
[11:47] <mcphail_>  /msg nickserv link mcphail goldfish
[11:47] <kent> kobach, i cant help you, but perhaps you can write which model you have? if its wlan etc..  Saying you have a problem is not much..
[11:47] <mdke> *you know something that could be improved in ubuntu: colours for the [ok]  boxes in the initscripts on boot
[11:47] <soulsyphon> ah alright
[11:47] <soulsyphon> thanks guys
[11:47] <trey3> dubious9, via82xx
[11:47] <mdke> mcphail_, whoops
[11:48] <Phineas> gah, I just installed apache2 and I confirmed its running, but I can't find where to put files so that apache accesses them...
[11:49] <crimsun> mdke: more FC/Mandrake-like?  *ducks
[11:49] <mdke> /var/www/localhost/htdocs/
[11:49] <mdke> crimsun, erm...
[11:49] <cavediver> Noone knows where gnome's Network manager is hiding in ubuntu ?
[11:49] <Phineas> that's it thanks
[11:49] <mdke> crimsun, do they have em?
[11:49] <cavediver> It's supposed to be a new thing in 2.8
[11:49] <petrolcc> i need some ccs
[11:49] <mdke> crimsun, i tell ya, it makes a huge difference... booting up ubuntu just now after not using it for a while was seriously ugly
[11:49] <LinuxJones> cavediver, network-admin ?
[11:50] <mdke> cavediver, ^^
[11:50] <mdke> cavediver, its in the system settings menu
[11:50] <luis_> cavediver: NetworkManager isn't part of gnome, just fedora
[11:50] <kbrooks> ok. i have a question.
[11:50] <petrolcc> i waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaantttttttttttttttttt  credit caaaaaaaaaards
[11:50] <petrolcc> could any one help me
[11:50] <kent> mdke, i think some people are working on a splash-thing for the boot-process. That will hide the init-script in a nice way.
[11:50] <luis_> cavediver: there was a project to port it to ubuntu, but AFAICS, that is stalled- no new packages for a couple months now
[11:50] <kbrooks> i want instiki to start on boot automatically
[11:50] <mdke> kent, nooooooo
[11:50] <crimsun> mdke: honestly, if I have to pay attention to the boot messages, something's wrong
[11:51] <mdke> dammit
[11:51] <dubious9> trey3: I've got a soundblaster live.  I've heard about problems with it.
[11:51] <mdke> crimsun, if you don't use gdm, it makes a massive difference ;)
[11:51] <mdke> kent, but yeah they are working on it
[11:51] <crimsun> mdke: but if you think it's nice to colourize the initscripts, please mention it on the forum, mailing list(s), and/or file wishlist bugs
[11:52] <mdke> crimsun, heh...
[11:52] <kbrooks> i want instiki to start on boot automatically. how do i do this?
[11:52] <mdke> crimsun, they might say "give us a patch"
[11:52] <crimsun> dubious9: depending on the model of sblive, there should be no problems.
[11:52] <kbrooks> with gnome
[11:52] <crimsun> dubious9: the ALSA version in hoary supports all known sblives
[11:52] <trey3> kbrooks, instiki is an application?
[11:53] <farruinn> kbrooks: try the session conrol panel - Computer>Desktop Preferences>Sessions
[11:53] <kbrooks> trey3, a wiki written in ruby
[11:53] <trey3> kbrooks, yeah... I was about to ge to what farruinn said  :)
[11:53] <crimsun> mdke: it's fairly straightforward...pick a colour and look up the escape sequence via Google, patch it and send a diff -u :)
[11:54] <ermo> mdke, man 4 console_codes
[11:54] <kbrooks> do i click add on the sessoion options tab
[11:54] <ermo> mdke, or so says 'apropos'
[11:54] <kbrooks> session
[11:54] <mdke> ermo, ?
[11:55] <trey3> kbrooks, yes
[11:55] <ermo> mdke, oh, crimsun mentioned 'google for escape sequences'. I just wondered whether they wouldn't be somewhere in the local man pages. In case you ever wanted to try to spiff up your init scripts and make a patch ;)
[11:55] <crimsun> hmm, today's *metacity 2.9.5 updates seem to have broken window placement
[11:56] <mdke> crimsun, topic?
[11:56] <mdke> ermo, heh maybe one day... i am not that good tho
[11:56] <trey3> kbrooks, ahh... no... "Startup Programs"...
[11:56] <soulsyphon> hmm time to get flux box on ubuntu
[11:57] <mdke> ermo, and i don't run ubuntu atm
[11:57] <crimsun> mdke: yup
[11:57] <kbrooks> trey3, ok. and will the .... program be started in ~? like will gnome automatically start the startup program in my home directory?
[11:58] <trey3> kbrooks, it will run whatever applications are in there... not sure what you mean?
[11:59] <farruinn> kbrooks: it will run as your user, if that's what you're asking
[11:59] <kbrooks> in the home directory?
[11:59] <Schaap> You know what would be cool, if ubuntu went console, make a version for Xbox and Ps2 :p
[11:59] <Schaap> Like Gentoox
[11:59] <Schaap> or Xebian