[12:00] <kbrooks> Schaap, why?
[12:00] <Schaap> Because they can?
[12:00] <Schaap> Why would any one make a OS ?
[12:00] <trey3> Schaap, make a recommendation for a derivitive... not sure what kinda interest you'd get though  :/
[12:01] <kbrooks> that's a stupid and a lame reason, TBH
[12:01] <jazzka> gnoppix == ububuntu hoary ?
[12:01] <Schaap> well, English isnt my first languege
[12:01] <trey3> kbrooks, not the point at all... if thats fun to someone, then so be it...
[12:01] <thenuke> wwhat :D knoppix is not ubuntu
[12:01] <Schaap> so i have no idea what derivitive meand
[12:01] <smurfslay> but also debian based ;)
[12:01] <kbrooks> thenuke,  *g*
[12:01] <kbrooks> not *k*
[12:01] <trey3> jazzka, kinda... yes... depends on version of livecd....
[12:02] <Agrajag> wouldn't an x-box port require breaking the DMCA?
[12:02] <Agrajag> You're talking about a distro that won't even include an mp3 decoder for legal reasons
[12:02] <thenuke> goppix or koppix, it is not ubuntu
[12:02] <trey3> jazzka, new Gnoppix are pretty much the same as Ubuntu LiveCD
[12:02] <Schaap> Smurf, Then Debian is a clone too :D
[12:02] <trey3> thenuke, Gnoppix is... Knoppix isn't...
[12:03] <jazzka> trey3, ubuntu's hoary livecd is it working?
[12:03] <trey3> jazzka, you'd have to ask mdz or Kamion about that... not sure...
[12:03] <thenuke> oh, I just though that gnoppix would be gamer knoppix
[12:03] <Aimio0> where do I get hoary ?
[12:03] <kbrooks> jazzka, ...
[12:03] <trey3> jazzka, afaik, yes
[12:03] <kbrooks> Aimio0,
[12:03] <thenuke> anyways, gnoppix is gnoppix which based on ubuntu =)
[12:03] <kbrooks> Aimio0, live cd or install cd?
[12:04] <Aimio0> both
[12:04] <trey3> Aimio0, cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily
[12:04] <mdke> Aimio0, or update from warty
[12:04] <trey3> Aimio0, or cdimages.ubuntu.com/sounder
[12:04] <Aimio0> thanks, will update. probably an FAQ on that
[12:04] <trey3> Aimio0, latter is probably better...
[12:04] <kbrooks> Aimio0, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[12:04] <mdz> trey3: it's unpolished, but it works fairly well at the moment
[12:05] <ermo> trey3, mdke, which is 'better': apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:05] <trey3> mdz, you rule  :)  thanks  ^_^
[12:05] <kbrooks> ermo, none is better.
[12:05] <mdz> ermo: they do slightly different things; read the man page for more information
[12:05] <kbrooks> dist-upgrade equals distribution upgrade
[12:05] <trey3> ermo, dist-upgrade resolves new deps... upgrade does not...
[12:05] <mdke> ermo, if you are going to hoary better do a dist-upgrade
[12:06] <trey3> ermo, if you've not configured much by hand... dist-upgrade is fine (config schemes are allowed to change etc)
[12:06] <mdz> upgrade _only_ upgrades installed packages.  dist-upgrade will also install new packages, and remove installed ones, in an attempt to "do the right thing"
[12:06] <mdz> either way, apt first prints a summary of what it is about to do, and asks for confirmation before continuing
[12:07] <kbrooks>               upgrade  is  used to install the newest versions of all packages
[12:07] <kbrooks>               currently installed on the system from the sources enumerated in
[12:07] <kbrooks>               /etc/apt/sources.list.
[12:07] <trey3> mdz, spoken like you know what you're on about  ;)
[12:07] <pw> fuggin'ell.
[12:07] <pw> killim.
[12:07] <thenuke> ban please
[12:07] <kbrooks> thenuke,
[12:07] <ermo> mdz, so in this context, anyone upgrading to hoary from warty would do well to use dist-upgrade. hence 'better'. Thanks.
[12:07] <kbrooks> .....
[12:07] <thenuke> kbrooks:
[12:07] <mdke> ping
[12:07] <kbrooks> pong
[12:07] <mdke> thanks
[12:08] <pw> ermo: dist-upgrade will remove things if it deems fit. upgrade will not. Hence my urging of caution.
[12:08] <kbrooks> KeyserSoze, did you get hax0red
[12:08] <mdke> i can't trust this damn wireless card
[12:08] <kbrooks> KeyserSoze, did you get hax0red
[12:08] <trey3> mdz, ohh... ps... nice to see gpg stuff got in... played with it for a while in Experimental... I like, thank you  :)
[12:08] <stvn> hm
[12:08] <kbrooks> KeyserSoze, did you get hax0red
[12:08] <kbrooks> KeyserSoze, did you get hax0red
[12:08] <kbrooks> KeyserSoze, did you get hax0red
[12:08] <pw> !ops
[12:08] <mdke> someone kill him off
[12:08] <kbrooks> !ops
[12:08] <mdz> can someone ban KeyserSoze until he fixes his client?
[12:08] <kbrooks> grr
[12:08] <mdke> mdz, don't you have ops ;p
[12:08] <ubuntunewb> hello, i just downloaded alot of .rar files into 1 directory ( a torrent ) how would i unpack them?
[12:08] <trey3> daniels, psst... needed
[12:09] <spiral> please...
[12:09] <LinuxJones> omg someone make it stop
[12:09] <pw> ubuntulog: with rar
[12:09] <mdke> ubuntunewb, you may need to install unrar
[12:09] <mcphail> unrar x <name>
[12:09] <pw> stvn: /ignore doesn't ignore parts/joins.
[12:09] <thenuke> irssi can ignore parts joins
[12:09] <stvn> pw: it does here
[12:09] <pw> stvn: it doesn't here.
[12:09] <mdke> xchat too
[12:09] <spiral> rhah... no /ignore for join/part messages... :-/
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB>  /ignore  KeyserSoze  *
[12:09] <stvn> pw: or the guy didn't join/split after i put him on ignore (irssi)
[12:10] <trey3> mdz, ohh... ps... nice to see gpg stuff got in... played with it for a while in Experimental... I like, thank you  :)  (incase you missed it  ;)
[12:10] <mdke> /ignore KeyserSoze CHAN for xchat
[12:10] <adventures> anyone know the trick to getting fglrx to work with composite+render enabled in the xorg.conf?
[12:10] <kbrooks> Geert, psst
[12:10] <Geert> kbrooks: What?
[12:10] <spiral> ouah...
[12:10] <kbrooks> Geert, kill KeyserSoze off the network, not kline. klining him is a bit harsh
[12:10] <spiral> thanks for the /ignore tip
[12:10] <declan> can anyone help me with an apt-get and the repositories list, let me know thanks
[12:11] <kbrooks> imo
[12:11] <spiral> how can we see our ignore list ?
[12:11] <mdke> spiral, /ignore
[12:11] <kbrooks> spiral, /ignore with no arguments
[12:11] <dubious9> crimsun, thanks for the suggestion.  Maybe I'll try a newer version of alsa
[12:12] <Aurel_> hello
[12:12] <trey3> Aurel_, hey  :)
[12:12] <Aurel_> anyone w/ up-to-date hoary and an nvidia card ?
[12:13] <cardador> Aurel_: yap
[12:13] <mdke> yay
[12:13] <kbrooks> finally
[12:13] <Geert> :)
[12:13] <stvn> ta Geert
[12:13] <Geert> np
[12:13] <kbrooks> suggestions are sugestions. either carry them out or don't. ;)
[12:14] <spiral> hmmm...
[12:14] <spiral> please... anybody can say something ?
[12:14] <stvn> que?
[12:14] <spiral> I may have had a problem with /ignore... :-/
[12:14] <stvn> heh
[12:14] <pw> Rofl.
[12:15] <stvn> /ignore *
[12:15] <stvn> ?
[12:15] <Aurel_> my resolution is 640x480 on a 21' sreen... Anyone can help ? :)
[12:15] <trey3> spiral, in XChat .. Window > Ignore List  :)
[12:15] <keyfa770> please help me, what does this mean? what should i do? i think glib is already installed Synaptic Pack. Man. say so anyway....
[12:15] <keyfa770> *** The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found
[12:15] <keyfa770> *** If GLIB was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
[12:15] <keyfa770> *** your path, or set the GLIB_CONFIG environment variable to the
[12:15] <keyfa770> *** full path to glib-config.
[12:15] <keyfa770> configure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first ***
[12:15] <cardador> Aurel_: have you tried to change the resolution on the menu?
[12:15] <kbrooks> keyfa770, !
[12:15] <Aurel_> cardador : yes, don't work
[12:16] <pw> keyfa770: apt-get install gnome-devel
[12:16] <Aurel_> the big change I've made is swapping to a 2.6.10 kernel
[12:16] <kbrooks> keyfa770, 1. don't flood; use a pastebin
[12:16] <keyfa770> ohh sorry! :(
[12:16] <kbrooks> 2. why are you compiling?
[12:16] <stvn> Aurel_: did you install the new binary frivers that belong to the kernel?
[12:16] <cardador> Aurel_: have you installed the restricted-modules package for that kernel?
[12:17] <stvn> Aurel_: cardador has the proper name ;)
[12:17] <adventures> anyone know the trick to getting fglrx to work with composite+render enabled in the xorg.conf?
[12:17] <keyfa770> kbrooks, i really dont know.
[12:17] <keyfa770> xmms just wont start.
[12:17] <soulsyphon> i like apt-get
[12:17] <LinuxJones> keyfa770, it won't run at all ?
[12:17] <Aurel_> stvn, cardador : i have just installed kernel-image package. I tried to add nvidia related packages, but it doesn't help more
[12:18] <keyfa770> LinuxJones, nopes :/
[12:18] <LinuxJones> keyfa770, try it from the command line
[12:18] <LinuxJones> keyfa770, terminal
[12:18] <kbrooks> keyfa770, btw, don't go overboard.
[12:18] <keyfa770> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[12:18] <Phineas> Is there a way to install xampp without needing to set a root user?
[12:18] <ubuntunewb_> i keep getting the following error whyle trying to install unrar "E: Package unrar has no installation candidate
[12:18] <keyfa770> is the message i received
[12:19] <ubuntunewb_> what to do now?
[12:19] <uid_zer0> seb128, where's the translations of new epiphany or gnome-system-monitor? seems they're missing
[12:19] <cardador> Aurel_: make sure you have the linux-restricted-modules for the kernel you installed
[12:19] <seb128> uid_zer0: ?
[12:19] <pw> ubuntunewb: delete your warez and lead a life of virtue?
[12:19] <trey3> Phineas, local file? 'sudo dpkg -i it'
[12:19] <stvn> ubuntunewb_: did you add the universe and multiverse repositories?
[12:19] <Aurel_> cardador, how can i do that ?
[12:19] <stvn> pw: don't forget the pr0n ;)
[12:20] <Phineas> trey, yeah it's local
[12:20] <ubuntunewb_> i uncommented all repositoires wich where in the file but commented out
[12:20] <pw> stvn: Because legal stuff ALWAYS comes in a couple of dozen .RAR files, dunnit?
[12:20] <trey3> Phineas, k... do what I just said... and type *your* password...
[12:20] <cardador> Aurel_: go to Desktop > Admin > Synaptic, then search for restricted
[12:20] <Phineas> k
[12:20] <kbrooks> ubuntunewb, did you apt-get update first of all
[12:20] <Aurel_> cardador,  ok, dpkg -l says ok, installed
[12:20] <stvn> pw: yeah, the strangly free and normally expensive stuff you mean?
[12:21] <ubuntunewb_> yup, i updated apt-get
[12:21] <pw> stvn: That's what I'm thinking of, yes.
[12:21] <stvn> ubuntunewb_: did you search for unrar in synaptic/aptitude?
[12:21] <ubuntunewb_> no, whats that?
[12:21] <uid_zer0> seb128, i just upgraded my Hoary and noticed that gnome-system-monitor and epiphany are without *any* translations, and yes I checked for them with dpkg -c on .debs
[12:21] <stvn> ubuntunewb_: IIRC universe only has unrar-nonfree or something
[12:21] <trey3> stvn, returnes 'unrar' and 'unrar-nonfree' here...
[12:21] <kbrooks> ubuntunewb_, are you on warty or hoary? hoary is the dev version of ubuntu (5.04).
[12:21] <stvn> hmz
[12:22] <gt500> woohooo :)
[12:22] <cardador> Aurel_: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add the resolutions you want at the end of the file
[12:22] <ubuntunewb_> i think warty
[12:22] <gt500> found a solution too my webcam prob :p
[12:22] <seb128> uid_zer0: do you read the lists ?
[12:22] <uid_zer0> um.. no
[12:22] <trey3> stvn, universe and multiverse respectively...
[12:22] <stvn> ubuntunewb_: synaptic is the package manager with a GUI, it's in the 'computer' menu in warty (or desktop in hoary)
[12:22] <Aurel_> cardador, the resolution are ok
[12:22] <stvn> trey3: ta
[12:23] <kbrooks>  /me # shutdown -h now
[12:23] <kbrooks> :P
[12:23] <cardador> Aurel_: try cycling through them with the key combo: ctrl,alt,+ or -
[12:23] <seb128> uid_zer0: sudo apt-get install language-pack-your_locale
[12:23] <Aurel_> cardador, not ok again :)
[12:23] <cardador> Aurel_: i assume you restarted X after the changes you made
[12:24] <ubuntunewb_> ok, i opend the synaptic what to do from there
[12:24] <stvn> ubuntunewb_: btw there's a dutch channel (more low traffic) at #ubuntu-nl
[12:24] <Aurel_> cardador, yes :)
[12:24] <ubuntunewb_> k, ill join that
[12:24] <cardador> ubuntulog: click "Reload"
[12:24] <cardador> oops
[12:25] <cardador> i meant ubuntunewb
[12:25] <stvn> ubuntunewb_: and hit search
[12:25] <ubuntunewb_> the search results are empty for unrar
[12:25] <stvn> ubuntunewb_: did you click reload?
[12:25] <trey3> stvn, take it you ensured he has universe? (not paying attention)
[12:26] <gatolas> hello
[12:26] <stvn> trey3: he said so, but i'll make sure again
[12:26] <cardador> Aurel_: cant help you more than that.. im out of ideias!
[12:26] <Aurel_> cardador, thanks !
[12:26] <uid_zer0> seb128, how often that package is rebuilt?
[12:26] <gatolas> I'm about to install Windows 2000 on this machine. How can I prevent the MBR from being borked? (Ubuntu's GRUB is being currently used)
[12:27] <pw> ubuntunewb: settings -> repositories, size the window to see the "distribution" and "section" columns, ensure that the "deb" types are ticked for "universe"
[12:27] <Aurel_> i'll try on #nvidia, if I found I can say to you what was the problem (if you're interested)
[12:27] <pw> click ok, click reload, try your search again, install unrar, go to command line, unrar Debbie Does Dallas, or whatever it is.
[12:27] <cardador> ok good luck Aurel_  :)
[12:27] <stvn> pw: helping him in the dutch channel i'll send him back to you if i fail ;)
[12:27] <cardador> ahah pw
[12:27] <gatolas> pw: daniels: I'm about to install Windows 2000 on this machine. How can I prevent the MBR from being borked? (Ubuntu's GRUB is being currently used)
[12:28] <pw> gatolas: you can't.
[12:28] <gatolas> !!
[12:28] <pw> Windows will eat the MBR regardless.
[12:28] <LinuxJones> gatolas, you can back up the MBR then boot to a live cd and re-install it and add the Win2K entry
[12:28] <gatolas> LinuxJones: Is there a tool in Ubuntu for that?
[12:29] <pw> gatolas: dd if=/dev/hda of=bootblock bs=512 count=1
[12:29] <gatolas> LinuxJones: I have a Knoppix LiveCD. Will that do?
[12:29] <LinuxJones> gatolas, it uses dd and copies the MBR to a file on your filesystem I can't remember the exact syntax . Check out google
[12:29] <pw> where /dev/hda is your hard disk.
[12:29] <LinuxJones> gatolas, yeah will be fine
[12:29] <pw> Then, when you've installed Winders,
[12:29] <crimsun> keyfa770: that's a faq, see https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1724
[12:29] <gatolas> LinuxJones: there's a horrible catch. My disk drive is trash, it doesn't work
[12:29] <seb128> uid_zer0: you have a language-pack-your_locale-update for the updates
[12:29] <pw> boot off your live thinger, and shove your usb key in where you saved the "bootblock" file, and dd if=bootblock of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1
[12:30] <LinuxJones> gatolas, heh can you put it on a floppy it's only like 512 bytes
[12:30] <pw> Then boot up your Ubuntu and set up Winders.
[12:30] <gatolas> LinuxJones: pw: THANKS!!!!! You just saved a lif----
[12:30] <gatolas> LinuxJones: I will put it on disk drive, since diskette drive is ruind
[12:31] <pw> you can put it anywhere that you can reach with Knoppix.
[12:31] <LinuxJones> gatolas , you should add it to the wiki (if it's not already there) when you get it up and running :D
[12:31] <cardador> anyone know if any Beagle debs are available for Ubuntu?
[12:31] <gatolas> LinuxJones: okie
[12:31] <gatolas> bye
[12:31] <LinuxJones> cya
[12:36] <Schaap> Since Ubuntu is Debian Based, all the Debian howtos apply to Ubuntu as  well?
[12:36] <Schaap> and instalation of deb files too?
[12:36] <stvn> cardador: tell me if you find them
[12:36] <Schaap> same thing?
[12:37] <stvn> cardador: I can't seem to build beagle nowadays here, so i'm hoping for debs
[12:37] <LinuxJones> Schaap, some things are different have a peek here >> www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:37] <soulsyphon> how can i apt-get fluxbox?
[12:38] <scizzo> soulsyphon: apt-get install fluxbox?
[12:38] <sobralense> does the xpde package on ubuntu warty ?
[12:39] <stvn> in multiverse zit unrar-nonfree die doet het wat beter mijns inziens
[12:39] <sobralense> *sorry bad english
[12:39] <sobralense> stvn, germany? =] 
[12:39] <LinuxJones> soulsyphon, add the universe repository
[12:39] <soulsyphon> i did
[12:39] <soulsyphon> no go
[12:39] <stvn> sobralense: dutch, i typed in the wrong window
[12:39] <LinuxJones> soulsyphon, are you in synaptic ?
[12:40] <soulsyphon> synaptic?
[12:40] <LinuxJones> soulsyphon, ok apt-get update
[12:40] <sobralense> soulsyphon, later on try "sudo synaptic"
[12:40] <soulsyphon> alright
[12:40] <soulsyphon> thanks
[12:41] <LinuxJones> soulsyphon, then apt-get install fluxbox as scizzo said
[12:41] <soulsyphon> alright
[12:41] <soulsyphon> danke
[12:42] <soulsyphon> good stuff
[12:43] <cardador> stvn: thanks for the info!
[12:44] <stvn> cardador: info?
[12:45] <cardador> stvn: info -> you cant build Beagle :)
[12:45] <beo> uh
[12:45] <stvn> cardador: heh, np
[12:45] <beo> ubuntu users are getting bigger and bigger :P
[12:45] <stvn> cardador: i'll thank you for the info if you can get it working ;P
[12:45] <Guardiann> we sure are :)
[12:46] <tritium> beo, maybe we're eating too much :)
[12:46] <cardador> stvn: im trying the howto of the wiki
[12:46] <keyfa770> why isnt gstreamer0.8-mad in synaptic?
[12:46] <stvn> cardador: that's where i get stuck since a couple of days
[12:47] <spacey`ki> is it correct that the metacity bug is solved?
[12:47] <jesuel> keyfa770: i believe thats in universe
[12:47] <Guardiann> yep it is
[12:47] <spacey`ki> also for -amd64?
[12:47] <spacey`ki> i just updated and there was a metacity upgrade but still the same bug
[12:48] <Jerub> I've heard really good things about ubuntu.
[12:48] <thenuke> well, this is official ubuntu-hate channel
[12:48] <jesuel> lol
[12:48] <JoePenguin> :P
[12:49] <crimsun> spacey`ki: dpkg -l metacity|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}'
[12:49] <jesuel> s/-hate/-help
[12:49] <Jerub> oh
[12:49] <Sav> anyone wanna recomend a good mp3 player?
[12:50] <beo> Does Ubuntu comes with gnome 2.8 ?
[12:50] <gt500> xmms
[12:50] <Jerub> Sav: quotlibet
[12:50] <gt500> :)
[12:50] <jesuel> xmms?
[12:50] <crimsun> beo: Warty comes with 2.8.0
[12:50] <Jerub> er quodlibet
[12:50] <gt500> hey peepz , is there a gui for the ati fglrx-control , or do i have to type fglrxconfig ?
[12:50] <spacey`ki> 2.9.8-0ubuntu1
[12:50] <LinuxJones> beo YEAH
[12:50] <crimsun> beo: Hoary currently has a mix of 2.9[2-5] 
[12:50] <crimsun> spacey`ki: for \*metacity\* ?
[12:50] <beo> hmm
[12:50] <spacey`ki> yes
[12:50] <stvn> gt500: there is fireglconfig
[12:50] <crimsun> beo: 2-4, sorry
[12:50] <spacey`ki> apt-cache policy says the same
[12:51] <beo> Well i'm using SuSE and saw someone using ubuntu and it was extremely fast :)
[12:51] <crimsun> spacey`ki: I presume you've logged out and logged back in?
[12:51] <gt500> stvn: fglrxconfig it is
[12:51] <gt500> ;)
[12:51] <beo> and i've got my ubuntu cd`s here next to me :)
[12:51] <spacey`ki> Crimsun yes and i tried a reboot
[12:51] <beo> but my problem is, if i can work my software with Ubuntu..
[12:51] <jesuel> beo: thats because i feel that SuSE has alot of fluff ;p
[12:51] <LinuxJones> beo, do it ;D
[12:51] <spacey`ki> could it be -amd64 port didnt get the fix yet?
[12:51] <gt500> it'(s for my ATI card :)
[12:51] <beo> cause i never used Debian :)
[12:51] <Br34ch> My sound doesn't work . . . where should I start to begin to absolve this problem?
[12:52] <beo> anyone running Maya here with Ubuntu ?
[12:52] <crimsun> spacey`ki: hmm, it should have; ask seb128.
[12:52] <jesuel> beo: do it, make the plunge
[12:52] <LinuxJones> beo, we will help you :)
[12:52] <smurfslay> hmm.. desperating with ndiswrapper :(
[12:52] <BockBilbo> crimsun, is there a way to add apps to hoarys menu?
[12:52] <gt500> Br34ch: do you have a webcam with a mic ?
[12:52] <gt500> :p
[12:52] <stvn> gt500: ehm, there is a gui app called fireg<something>, I installed it on my laptop today, but it's not here so i can't chaeck
[12:52] <Br34ch> gt500, nope
[12:53] <beo> how is the .rpm support in UYbuntu ?
[12:53] <erich> who uses xcompmgr? I don't have a background image.
[12:53] <gt500> owkay , i'll check
[12:53] <crimsun> erich: I do.
[12:53] <spacey`ki> seb128, around at this hour?
[12:53] <ubuntunewb_> ive got a apache2 question, i installed php wich is wroking fine but now i want index.php files to be showed isntantly when a directory is called so it loads when you go to eg /pages/ that index.php is loaded isntead of typing /pages/index.php
[12:53] <stvn> gt500: but i'm quite sure the deb is called fglrx-control
[12:53] <seb128> spacey_: yep
[12:53] <ubuntunewb_> but im not sure how to make that work
[12:53] <spacey`ki> hi
[12:53] <seb128> s/spacey/spaceyki/
[12:53] <spacey`ki> seb128, is the metacity problem fix already in amd64?
[12:53] <erich> crimsun: any hint how to get a background image? ;-)
[12:53] <LinuxJones> beo, ubuntu has about 14,000 packages you should rarely need to install rpm's
[12:54] <seb128> spaceyki: should, why ?
[12:54] <spacey`ki> i have all the latest updates but the bug still occurs
[12:54] <jaco> ubuntunewb_ add this in your httpd.conf
[12:54] <jaco> <IfModule mod_dir.c>
[12:54] <jaco>     DirectoryIndex index.html index.htm index.shtml index.cgi index.php
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[12:54] <seb128> metacity --version ?
[12:54] <spacey`ki> its a bit differnt
[12:54] <spacey`ki> metacity 2.9.8
[12:54] <beo> linuxjones, well my software is .rpm :)
[12:54] <Br34ch> Alright . . . seriously now, please . . . my sound doesn't work, what should I begin to look to have this thing settled and working?
[12:54] <jesuel> beo: if you need to install a rpm for some rare reason. There is support there
[12:54] <beo> so i need to install .rpm :P
[12:54] <LinuxJones> beo, like what ?
[12:55] <seb128> spaceyki: same crash/backtrace as this afternoon ?
[12:55] <beo> what kind of a support ?
[12:55] <cardador> beo: alien file.rpm
[12:55] <ubuntunewb_> ah, ok i didnt have the IfNodule
[12:55] <beo> linuxboy, mayaaa...
[12:55] <jesuel> linuxboy?
[12:55] <gt500> Br34ch: type lsmod
[12:55] <spacey`ki> seb128, how can i do a backtrace?
[12:55] <LinuxJones> beo, you can convert them using alien but it doesn't resolve dependencies
[12:55] <Br34ch> O . . . kay, done
[12:55] <spacey`ki> the problem is a bit different though, first the stuff was flashing in the beginning but now its gone entirely
[12:56] <seb128> spaceyki: ps ax | grep metacity .. gdb -p <pid> which is the first number of the ps
[12:56] <spiral> bye
[12:56] <gt500> do you see anything with snd ?
[12:56] <seb128> spaceyki: what stuff ?
[12:56] <muk_amd64> alo
[12:57] <Br34ch> I can't really point it
[12:57] <gt500> Br34ch: first try loking @ the forum : http://www.ubuntuforums.org , if you can't find the answer there , than come again ;)
[12:57] <spacey`ki> seb128, the pid changes like every second
[12:57] <Br34ch> kk, thanks
[12:57] <seb128> spaceyki you have a problem so ...
[12:57] <seb128> it keeps crashing and reloading ?
[12:57] <soulsyphon> does ubuntu come with a ssh server??
[12:57] <muk_amd64> I'm trying to get access to the web through my d-link usb ethernet adaptor, how do I get this going?
[12:57] <spacey`ki> yeah seems like it
[12:57] <soulsyphon> doesnt look like it
[12:57] <seb128> anything in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[12:57] <stvn> soulsyphon: yes
[12:57] <LinuxJones> soulsyphon, yeah
[12:58] <soulsyphon> oh hmm
[12:58] <jaco> muk_amd64 have u hoary ? warty? amd64 version or 32 bit?
[12:58] <cardador> soulsyphon: youll need to install it, its not by default
[12:58] <soulsyphon> oh alright
[12:58] <cgdef> not really an ubuntu question but how do you add stuff to the applications menu in gnome 2.9.4?
[12:58] <soulsyphon> whats the name of it?
[12:58] <muk_amd64> 4.10 on a 32bit box
[12:58] <cardador> soulsyphon: openssh i think
[12:58] <soulsyphon> i tried Openssh openssh OpenSSH
[12:58] <stvn> cgdef: AFAIK the only way ATM is to add .desktop files
[12:58] <soulsyphon> ill try openssh again
[12:58] <cgdef> stvn: man that sux
[12:58] <ubuntunewb_> anything wrong with this?
[12:58] <cardador> soulsyphon: use computer > sys conf > synaptic,  much easier than comand line
[12:59] <soulsyphon> o
[12:59] <soulsyphon> ok
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[12:59] <ubuntunewb_> DirectoryIndex index.php index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php index.xhtml
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[12:59] <stvn> cgdef: indeed, but they're working on it (i think)
[12:59] <jaco> muk_amd64 it work without any your setting
[12:59] <cgdef> stvn: do you know if there are any plans for having an application that lets you edit the menu/
[12:59] <ubuntunewb_> *the first </ifmodule should be <IfModule mod_dir.c>
[12:59] <jaco> the bios is downloaded from the net
[12:59] <cgdef> stvn: it's like the weakes point of gnome
[12:59] <muk_amd64> jaco, well I can't access the internet now, I tried to setup eth0 and that didn't work either
[12:59] <soulsyphon> synaptic looks kewl
[12:59] <soulsyphon> thanks
[12:59] <jaco> wi-fi is on wlan0
[01:00] <jesuel> soulsyphon: perhaps try ssh
[01:00] <muk_amd64> jaco, this is just an old d-link usb lan adaptor
[01:00] <jaco> check your /etc/network/interfaces
[01:00] <stvn> cgdef: don't really know, but it's now a freedesktop problem, more than a gnome problem, and i think they're working on a menu edito
[01:00] <duzchip> Heh, i started to build my own dist now
[01:00] <cgdef> stvn: how is it a freedesktop problem?
[01:00] <duzchip> based on LFS
[01:00] <stvn> cgdef: the newest kde (should) have the same problem
[01:00] <jaco> have u any entry for your wi-fi card in /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:01] <cgdef> stvn: I thought that gnome uses the freedesktop standart
[01:01] <stvn> cgdef: the new menu structure is a fd.o standard, making it possible that applications appear in the smae area in gnome and kde
[01:01] <muk_amd64> jaco, also, what's the root password after a fresh install?
[01:01] <cgdef> yeah but gnome has been using the freedesktop mime db since 2.8
[01:01] <stvn> cgdef: so a menu-edit program should oblige to those rules, so changes migrate from gnome to kde and back
[01:02] <soulsyphon> got it thanks
[01:02] <muk_amd64> cgdef, right click in a branch of the menu and tell it add launcher
[01:02] <jaco> muk_amd64 sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces and your user password
[01:02] <stvn> cgdef: it's not the mime db, it's the desktop db, it's new since (i think) 2.9
[01:02] <jesuel> soulsyphon: was it just ssh?
[01:02] <cgdef> hum that stuff no longer works in gnome > 2.8
[01:02] <soulsyphon> yeah
[01:02] <soulsyphon> i used synaptic
[01:02] <soulsyphon> :S
[01:02] <jesuel> ::nod::
[01:03] <ubuntunewb_> i still havnt this sorted, ive got the following in my apache2.conf
[01:03] <ubuntunewb_> <IfModule mod_dir.c>
[01:03] <ubuntunewb_> DirectoryIndex index.php index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php index.xhtml
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[01:03] <stvn> cgdef: .desktops aren't that hard, i only spend 2 weeks to understand the proper procedure ;)
[01:03] <jaco> ubuntunewb_ sudo apachectl restart
[01:03] <ubuntunewb_> that should be corrent right? cause php isnt showing up when i aproach a directory on localhost
[01:03] <ubuntunewb_> i restarted several time
[01:03] <muk_amd64> jaco, it's got settings for lo and eth0
[01:04] <soulsyphon> i <3 ubuntu fo' lyfe
[01:04] <cgdef> stvn: I know how to create the .desktop files it's just that I was expecting gnome 2.9* to have a gui editor
[01:04] <jaco> muk_amd64 so it seems that a module for your card is'nt loaded
[01:04] <stvn> cgdef: me too :(
[01:04] <cardador> soulsyphon: that means openssh-server is installed? :)
[01:04] <muk_amd64> bah
[01:04] <cgdef> stvn: after all gnome has been having problems with the menu ever since I remeber it
[01:04] <muk_amd64> where do I find out what modules needs to be loaded for this thing?
[01:04] <stvn> cgdef: true
[01:05] <stvn> cgdef: but they 'solved' it in 2.8, it's just that the got a new standard for 2.9 :(
[01:05] <LinuxJones> muk_amd64, what kind of card do you have ?
[01:05] <soulsyphon> cardador, fo' shure
[01:05] <soulsyphon> =D
[01:05] <muk_amd64> LinuxJones, usb D-Link ethernet adaptor
[01:06] <Quest-Master> Do you guys prefer Ruby or Python?
[01:06] <cgdef> stvn: well actually the new standard came with 2.8 but they no longer use the menu widget for 2.9 because it is an extremely buggy thing
[01:06] <ubuntunewb_> jaco, its still not working
[01:06] <stvn> cgdef: the problem is that people want to customise their menu, they just should be senseless sheep following the herdsmen of gnome ;)
[01:06] <ubuntunewb_> even after i restarted ap[ache several times
[01:06] <stvn> cgdef: ah right
[01:06] <jaco> ubuntunewb_ i'm checking the problem on my httpd.conf
[01:06] <ubuntunewb_> k
[01:06] <jaco> but it would work
[01:06] <Martok> Python, never used Ruby.
[01:07] <ubuntunewb_> i directly pasted it from my apache2.conf
[01:07] <cgdef> stvn: well I wouldnt' touch my menu if there werent crappy apps that don't add links ...
[01:07] <Quest-Master> Everybody who is using Ruby says it's put fun back into programming.
[01:07] <Quest-Master> :\
[01:07] <stvn> cgdef: yeah :(
[01:07] <Quest-Master> Especially on Slashdot.
[01:07] <Jerub> yeah
[01:07] <jaco> ubhuti check your module.conf , it load mod_dir.so?
[01:07] <ubhuti> jaco: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[01:07] <Jerub> we all believe what we read on slashdot.
[01:07] <gen> slashdot is for queers
[01:07] <Martok> What's so great about Ruby.
[01:07] <stvn> Quest-Master: and you believe /.?
[01:07] <Martok> ?
[01:07] <Quest-Master> I am comparing some code examples right now of the exact same program in both Ruby and Python
[01:07] <Quest-Master> lol
[01:07] <jaco> ubuntunewb_  check your module.conf , it load mod_dir.so?
[01:07] <Quest-Master> No.
[01:07] <Quest-Master> Of course not.
[01:07] <cgdef> wasn't there a site that gives you a list off pkgs in that are in apt?
[01:08] <Jerub> Quest-Master: Do you realise that SCO recieved about 3 years of extremely positive press from slashdot?
[01:08] <Quest-Master> But in general, a lot of people are saying that
[01:08] <stvn> cgdef: apt-get.org
[01:08] <jesuel> hahah Jerub
[01:08] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[01:08] <cgdef> yeah that's it thanks
[01:08] <Quest-Master> I know all about that. :)
[01:08] <jesuel> ::/rude sco::
[01:08] <ubuntunewb_> you mean
[01:08] <ubuntunewb_> /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/smb-module.conf
[01:08] <Quest-Master> And then with the release of Ruby on Rails.
[01:08] <beo> does ubuntu have live update or something like that ?
[01:08] <stvn> jesuel: /. is trying to make up for those 3 years
[01:08] <stvn> Jerub: ^
[01:09] <Jerub> ;)
[01:09] <ubuntunewb_> cause that file doesnt contain anything exept for blanked out lines
[01:09] <Quest-Master> I took a code example from Ruby and Python which do the exact same thing.. open a GTK window and say "Hello World" inside it
[01:09] <VenomousGecko> Does anyone here have experience installing ubuntu on a notebook computer, IE a Dell???
[01:09] <Quest-Master> Ruby did it in 24 lines
[01:09] <jaco> ubuntunewb_ you must have two dir /etc/apache2/mods-available and mods-enabled
[01:09] <Quest-Master> Python in 34
[01:09] <Quest-Master> :\
[01:09] <VenomousGecko> I am having some issues with that and was wondering if anyone could help me out.
[01:09] <cardador> beo: Computer > Sys conf > Synaptic should be wath you are looking for
[01:09] <LinuxJones> beo, in Hoary there is an Software-Update notifier
[01:09] <ubuntunewb_> jaco, do you know if they are on be default?
[01:09] <Jerub> Quest-Master: yeah, I could do it in about 6 using wx.
[01:09] <Quest-Master> Jerub: wxPython?
[01:09] <beo> hoary ??
[01:10] <Quest-Master> Jerub: wxPython in Warty still uses GTK1.x
[01:10] <Quest-Master> >: Which really sucks.
[01:10] <stvn> Quest-Master: still 23 too much; it should be "open a window saying 'hello world'" ;)
[01:10] <ubuntunewb_> both are there indeed
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> VenomousGecko: what are your issues
[01:10] <Martok> What's wxPython?
[01:10] <Quest-Master> I don't know if in Hoary wxPython uses GTK2
[01:10] <cardador> beo: warty-stable Ubuntu, hoary-unstable (under development)
[01:10] <Jerub> Martok: wxwidgets is a cross platform gui layer.
[01:10] <jaco> ubuntunewb_ i've them in my default installation
[01:10] <Martok> Oh, ok.
[01:11] <Jerub> Martok: wxpython is the name of the python wrapper.
[01:11] <ubuntunewb_> jaco, ive got them aswel
[01:11] <VenomousGecko> I installed 4.10 on a Dell Inspiron 8000 and it works great except that when I hit the fn key plus the font key it freezes the machine,
[01:11] <LinuxJones> beo, Hoary is the next version of Ubuntu to be released in April, but you can upgrade to it if you like pain :D
[01:11] <stvn> VenomousGecko: font-key?
[01:11] <Quest-Master> wxPython is amazing though. It's got some fine add-ons like Scintilla and implementable Pygame.
[01:11] <VenomousGecko> I have tried to reconfigure X to use the Dell101 kbd instead of the pc104 kbd but still does not work.
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> VenomousGecko: don't press that key
[01:11] <cardador> :)
[01:11] <stvn> heh
[01:11] <jaco> ehm ubuntunewb_ apache2 ? :)
[01:11] <beo> :)
[01:12] <jaco> ehm ubuntunewb_ put this in your httpd.conf
[01:12] <ubuntunewb_> jaco, yes and the directory' you named above are included aswel
[01:12] <jaco> DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php index.xhtml index.php
[01:12] <VenomousGecko> Yea, the default is 1600 res and I want to change it to 1024x768 and you can hit the FN+Font to make it full screen with 1024x768
[01:12] <ubuntunewb_> DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php index.xhtml index.php
[01:12] <Quest-Master> Jerub: Are you in Warty or Hoary?
[01:12] <jaco> sorry i was working with apache 1.3
[01:12] <jaco> :)
[01:12] <Jerub> Quest-Master: I'm thinking about installing one of them ;)
[01:12] <VenomousGecko> WEll it happens with other keys HrdwrBob
[01:12] <jaco> you can give me a kick ubuntunewb_ :)
[01:13] <Quest-Master> Jerub: XD
[01:13] <jaco> i need sleep :)
[01:13] <stvn> VenomousGecko: why not use the 'diaply geometry switcher' applet?
[01:14] <stvn> display
[01:14] <ubuntunewb_> it still doesnt load the index.php file by default
[01:14] <Martok> Ruby doesn't look so great.
[01:14] <VenomousGecko> is that a gnome applet?
[01:14] <jesuel> VenomousGecko: Those specialized keys like that i believe have a windows software componet that goes along with them, and when they are pressed. It causes a lockup
[01:14] <ubuntunewb_> and sends me to apache2-default
[01:14] <stvn> VenomousGecko: yep
[01:14] <ubuntunewb_> and i did restart apache
[01:14] <jesuel> VenomousGecko: my amd64 laptop has similar ones and it will crash me as well if i use them under linux
[01:15] <stvn> grr
[01:15] <VenomousGecko> I saw something about fnfk or something like that on sourceforge, but is says it is for Toshibas.  Does that work with Dell, is anyone aware
[01:15] <Martok> Ruby doesn't look so hot.
[01:15] <erich> Is hoary xfce composite-enabled?
[01:15] <VenomousGecko> I am wondering if there is also a kbd layout that I can use either in X or Gnome that will prevent a freeze if one of those keys are pressed.
[01:16] <jaco> ubuntunewb_  u have a directory site-enabled
[01:16] <jaco> and a file default
[01:16] <stvn> ubuntunewb_: you could also try and ask in #apache
[01:16] <ubuntunewb_> jaco mind if i pm you what ive got?
[01:18] <muk_amd64> jaco, it works now, heh
[01:18] <jaco> whats the trouble muk_amd64 ?
[01:18] <muk_amd64> nothin any more, it works
[01:19] <jaco> :)
[01:19] <VenomousGecko> Well, thanks for the heads up fellas/ladies?, I will see what I can come up with.
[01:19] <Sav> hmm just made an update of my packages, now im getting "initrd /boot/initrd.img......." Error 15 file not found
[01:21] <Sav> is there a way to recover? =)
[01:21] <farruinn> do you have a livecd?
[01:21] <LinuxJones> Sav, how long since you installed ?
[01:21] <stvn> ik ga ook slapen
[01:21] <Sav> nope, but i could download quite fast
[01:21] <farruinn> actually, I suppose you could drop into a shell fromt he install cd
[01:22] <Scognito> hi all
[01:22] <xtat> oneifreak: :DD
[01:22] <Scognito> some chanche to get muine working again? libflac4 dependence is not yet fixed
[01:24] <oneifreak> if anyone wants that fast-user-switching-applet (for hoary) i have a very unoffical package :P
[01:24] <mz2> cool!
[01:24] <mz2> me, me, me!
[01:24] <oneifreak> mz2, http://tuima.dyndns.org/~michael/deb/user-selector-applet_0.0.7-1_i386.deb
[01:24] <muk_amd64> the ubuntu repo's only have firefox .93?
[01:25] <JoePenguin> Hoary has 1.0
[01:25] <mz2> oneifreak, thx
[01:25] <oneifreak> mz2, it'll complain about overwrite, bewarned.
[01:26] <muk_amd64> JoePenguin, can you update warty to hoary without install cd?
[01:26] <muk_amd64> I got shipped warty's
[01:26] <JoePenguin> muk_amd64: that's what i did
[01:27] <muk_amd64> fun, how to?
[01:27] <mchasard> where can i find hoary 1.0 ?
[01:27] <mchasard> is it a live cd or an install system ?
[01:27] <farruinn> mchasard: erm, hoary is an ubuntu release. they're referring to firefox 1.0
[01:28] <farruinn> muk_amd64: you can either upgrade entirely to hoary, get a backport, or try apt pinning
[01:28] <mchasard> ok ..so what is the last version of ubuntu for a livecd use ?
[01:28] <Scognito> mchasard, warhy
[01:29] <Scognito> mchasard, hoary is a "preview release"
[01:29] <mz2> is there a gui for setting up a simple local dns server somewhere?
[01:29] <JoePenguin> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[01:29] <Scognito> it will come out in march iirc
[01:29] <cardador> muk_amd64: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, replace "warty" with "hoary" everywhere, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:29] <mcphail> muk_amd64: You could install the version from the firefox website quite easily
[01:29] <jaco> good night people, i go to sleep ubuntunewb_ has resolved her issue , i can go :) sorry for my confusion of few minutes ago
[01:29] <gen> scog, april
[01:30] <Sav> LinuxJones: 2 hours ago =)
[01:30] <cardador> muk_amd64: but notice that your system will break some times
[01:30] <Sav> but ill reinstall now. seem easy =)
[01:31] <mz2> oneifreak, how do i force it to do that overwriting?
[01:31] <Scognito> --force-overwrite
[01:31] <Scognito> or something similiar
[01:31] <Scognito> man dpkg
[01:32] <Scognito> :)
[01:32] <xtat> tis overwrite
[01:32] <cardador> mz2: dpkg -i --force-overwrite file.deb
[01:32] <oneifreak> xtat, did you try it in warty?
[01:33] <Scognito> btw does someone has muine working on hoary?
[01:33] <mz2> oneifreak, ah, that's for warty
[01:33] <xtat> oneifreak: not yet
[01:33] <mz2> bugger :)
[01:33] <oneifreak> mz2, the package is built for hoary
[01:33] <mz2> i mean hoary
[01:35] <muk_amd64> I'll just burn me a hoary cd
[01:35] <muk_amd64> where's the iso?
[01:35] <jdub> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[01:36] <mcphail> muk_amd64: you don't need to go to that effort to get firefox
[01:36] <muk_amd64> mcphail, is there easier way to have up to date apps?
[01:37] <muk_amd64> 1 hour left to download iso...
[01:37] <cardador> muk_amd64: if you want up to date apps, and not only firefox, you should go to Hoary
[01:37] <xtat> oneifreak: wants  gnome 2.9
[01:37] <mcphail> muk_amd64: You can use the backports or download from mozilla
[01:38] <muk_amd64> kk
[01:38] <oneifreak> xtat: figured.
[01:39] <oneifreak> xtat: works perfectly, even with user pictures.
[01:39] <gholen> how du i play .avi and mpeg files
[01:40] <xtat> cool, ima try it on mata
[01:40] <Br34ch> Get the codecs, players . . . try giving them a download from Synaptic, gholen
[01:41] <gholen> yes, I've tryed that, but where du i find the codecs, i dont know ware to look
[01:41] <Br34ch> Synanptic..
[01:42] <farruinn> gholen: probably have to have universe, maybe multiverse enabled
[01:42] <cardador> gholen: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#codecs
[01:42] <gholen> okey
[01:48] <duzchip> Any way to install shadowed passwords with apt-get?s
[01:48] <duzchip> cause when i type 'groupadd lfs' i get "unable to open shadow group fole"
[01:48] <duzchip> "unable to open shadow group file" even
[01:49] <mcphail> duzchip: run dpkg-reconfigure -a (check the syntax - I'm not sure about this)
[01:50] <mcphail> duzchip: actually, the -a is a little too non-specific...
[01:55] <yyc747> where can I download a beta of hoary?
[01:55] <zenrox> yyc747,  no betas i know of
[01:55] <farruinn> just upgrade with apt or synaptic
[01:55] <zenrox> and i am using hoary
[01:56] <zenrox> i just upgraded from warty
[01:56] <jdub> yyc747: pre-beta at cdimage.ubuntu.com
[01:56] <zenrox> or that
[01:57] <zenrox> wow its quiet
[01:57] <zenrox> we fixed all the problums
[01:58] <farruinn> lol, that'd be the day!
[01:58] <zenrox> really
[01:58] <zenrox> hehehe
[01:58] <godsmoke> heh
[01:58] <farruinn> it is quiet though
[01:58] <godsmoke> so anyway :)
[01:58] <godsmoke> want to help me spec out a new workstation? ;)
[01:58] <zenrox> must be the calm befor the storm
[01:58] <godsmoke> I speced out my new media server today
[01:59] <zenrox> lets take this convo to #ubuntuforums
[01:59] <zenrox> bit off topic for here
[01:59] <godsmoke> it's not interrupting anything, but ok
[02:00] <farruinn> I do have a problem actually - changing settings such as gnome theme and desktop background aren't taking effect until next login
[02:00] <farruinn> this is warty, so I don't know what's up
[02:01] <ideafix> whats the metafisic sence of the 3 us in ubuntu ?
[02:01] <ideafix> warty means war thank you right ?
[02:03] <Scognito> so warty means WAR Thank You?
[02:03] <Scognito> :)
[02:04] <ideafix> isnt it ?
[02:04] <bob2> no
[02:04] <bob2> of course not
[02:04] <bob2> it's short for "warty warthog", the codename of the first release
[02:04] <ideafix> its plain to see
[02:04] <bob2> it was a joke about how the first release would be warty, but usable
[02:04] <bob2> tho of course it turned out to be bloody awesome anyway
[02:05] <farruinn> hoary is going to be even more so - I can hardly wait!
[02:06] <ideafix> "warty warthog" the word war comes too times
[02:06] <Scognito> bob2, what mean warty and warthog ?
[02:06] <ideafix> mabey you can fit anothe war the next release
[02:07] <Scognito> howary
[02:07] <bob2> ideafix: can you please stop trolling?
[02:07] <bob2> or joking
[02:07] <bob2> or whatever that's supposed to be
[02:07] <bob2> Scognito: a warthog is like a wild pig
[02:07] <ideafix> i didnt come up with the name !
[02:07] <Sav> is it safe to add debian source.list to ubuntu ?
[02:07] <Scognito> bob2 ok tnx, and "warty"?
[02:07] <bob2> Sav: no
[02:07] <Scognito> Sav, no
[02:07] <Sav> bob2 ok =)
[02:08] <ideafix> wild pig ... humm sound just like the thing to have in ones box :-)
[02:08] <bob2> Scognito: covered in warts, that should be in a dictionary
[02:08] <PotajiTo> wenas
[02:08] <Scognito> bob2, add to topic:  "it NOT safe to add debian source.list to ubuntu" :)
[02:08] <bob2> hah
[02:09] <Scognito> it's a very FAQ
[02:10] <farruinn> may want to rephrase it to "...debian repositories to sources.list"
[02:10] <stackpopper> hi
[02:10] <stackpopper> ubuntu ppc will work fine on 64bit G5's?
[02:11] <farruinn> should, but I've heard of problems with G5 iMacs
[02:11] <stackpopper> really?
[02:11] <bob2> it should work ok
[02:11] <stackpopper> Is there plan for ppc64 release?
[02:11] <bob2> but ubuntu ppc is 32-bit only atm
[02:12] <ideafix> how many ppl do you think are using unbuntu right now ?
[02:12] <stackpopper> I am curious. Does the installer include a partition resizer for ppc version?
[02:12] <farruinn> not a resizer
[02:13] <stackpopper> so its a case of remove OSX, resize disk, install OSX, boot install disk and install it in the remaining space?
[02:14] <farruinn> I would prepend that with backup data :D
[02:14] <stackpopper> :P
[02:14] <stackpopper> I wonder how fast it is on the imac G5's
[02:15] <farruinn> I don't know if anyone's gotten it to work on those
[02:15] <stackpopper> What's the problem?
[02:15] <ideafix> whats the best linux to scan for windows virus ?
[02:15] <ideafix> whats the best linux anti-virus to scan for windows virus ?
[02:16] <farruinn> I don't know the specifics, but I don't believe the iMac was able to boot the disc
[02:16] <farruinn> kernel panics
[02:16] <stackpopper> that sucks somewhat.
[02:16] <limaunion> ideafix: clamav probably
[02:17] <stackpopper> Is anyone working on a native ppc64 release?
[02:23] <ideafix> whats up with metacity bug ?
[02:24] <axu_> hi folks
[02:25] <Sav> Anyone know why im getting "modprobe: FATAL error: pciehp and shpchp and some other" during startup
[02:25] <LinuxJones> Sav, you can ignore it
[02:25] <stackpopper> module does not exist
[02:26] <axu_> can anyone with firefox 0.9.3 installed try to surf http://www.ebay.com or .de ? my mozilla crashes on them
[02:26] <Sav> LinuxJones: cant i make it go away then? just annoing =)
[02:26] <pvh> Is there some way to search out unused libraries/applications in Ubuntu?
[02:27] <LinuxJones> Sav, yeah you can make it go away
[02:27] <axu_> Sav: have you looked into /etc/modules ? maybe there in there. then just remove them
[02:28] <LinuxJones> Sav, goto www.ubuntuguide.org it will tell you how
[02:29] <HrdwrBoB> pvh: what do you mean
[02:32] <pvh> HrdwrBoB: I think I found a debian command called 'deborphan' that might be along the right lines.
[02:32] <pvh> HrdwrBoB: Basically, I've experimented with a bunch of packages and now I have the linux equivalent of Windows Bloat.
[02:32] <axu_> pvh: but only regarding the used diskspace ;)
[02:33] <Orbo> hi
[02:33] <Orbo> linux n00b here
[02:33] <axu_> hi orbo
[02:33] <Orbo> hi, I've got some questions
[02:34] <pvh> axu_: Bless this mess?
[02:35] <Orbo> first off, sudo.  how can i add myself to wheel.  So I guess what I'm really asking is how do I login as root first off
[02:35] <axu_> hehe
[02:35] <Orbo> dammit, I always do that
[02:35] <HrdwrBoB> Orbo: there is no wheel (in warty)
[02:35] <bob2> pvh: debfoster does that
[02:35] <Orbo> say the same thing at the beginning and end of every sentence
[02:35] <HrdwrBoB> Orbo: you can just sudo straight away
[02:35] <bob2> Orbo: please read the FAQ
[02:35] <Orbo> righto
[02:35] <bob2> Orbo: but 'sudo -s' will get you a root shell without playing group games
[02:35] <Orbo> weird
[02:35] <Orbo> k thanks
[02:36] <bob2> Sav: you can add them to /etc/hotplug/blacklist if they really bother you\
[02:37] <Scognito> Sav, add pciehp shpchp at the bottom of  /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[02:37] <Rodo> helooy.. someone
[02:37] <Scognito> ah ok bob2 has just answered
[02:38] <proudhon> getting poor tvtime speed when i use nvidia graphics drivers, when i use VESA it works perfect
[02:38] <proudhon> hi guys :)
[02:38] <proudhon>  i play acasionally enemy territory, too so i want the keep using the nvidia drivers, anyone here hwo can help me ? thanks.
[02:39] <Orbo> how do I check my XFree version or if I have XOrg installed
[02:39] <bob2> Orbo: are you using hoary?
[02:39] <zenrox> Orbo,  warty or hoary
[02:39] <Orbo> warty, so no ati support yet right?
[02:39] <zenrox> xfree
[02:40] <zenrox> thare is with xfree86
[02:40] <bob2> er, xfree86 supposrts lots of ati cards
[02:40] <Orbo> cool
[02:40] <zenrox> and xorg bamy
[02:40] <zenrox> maby
[02:41] <proudhon> noone ?
[02:43] <Orbo> zenrox, how would I check which version of XFree I have?
[02:43] <bob2> dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 | tail -n1
[02:44] <oneifreak> Orbo, or: X -version
[02:45] <axu_> bye
[02:45] <limaunion> any idea why do i get 'truss: cannot open /proc/2437/mem: No such file or directory' when doing truss -p xxx ?
[02:46] <limaunion> sorry, wrong forum ;)
[02:47] <pvh> bob2: I ended up using deborphan, which seems related.
[02:49] <Gmike> anyone succeeded installing XFCE4.2 in Ubuntu?
[02:49] <Orbo> rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian.
[02:49] <Orbo> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2)error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
[02:49] <Orbo> what does this mean?
[02:50] <Gmike> man alien
[02:50] <Gmike> ubuntu uses debs not rpms, that's what alien is for
[02:56] <Orbo> ahh...so alien --to-deb?
[02:56] <im_ka> hi
[02:56] <Gwildor> hi
[02:56] <im_ka> i have a bittorrent question
[02:57] <Gwildor> aaask away
[02:57] <im_ka> if i create some torrents, put them on my website, they'll be available right? or what's this tracker thing?
[02:57] <im_ka> if i create some torrents, put them on my website, they'll be available right? or what's this tracker thing?
[02:57] <bob2> try #bittorrent
[02:58] <im_ka> bob2 thanks
.deb: read manifest failed: Success
[03:02] <Orbo> this means....?
[03:03] <im_ka> are bit torrent trackers simply websites that provide .torrent files?
[03:03] <bob2> Orbo: what are you doing?
[03:04] <Orbo> trying to install a 9800pro driver
[03:04] <bob2> it's best to avoid random rpms
[03:04] <bob2> and random debs
[03:04] <neighborlee> sigh...why does removing 'firefox' want to remove 'ubuntu-desktop' ???LOL
[03:04] <neighborlee> bb
[03:04] <bob2> read wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:05] <Orbo> k
[03:05] <bob2> neighborlee: er, because ubuntu-desktop defines the standard set of ubuntu desktop applications
[03:05] <bob2> which includes firefox
[03:05] <neighborlee> bob2, so I take it this is a bad idea
[03:05] <farruinn> not really, ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage
[03:05] <bob2> it doesn't really matter
[03:05] <neighborlee> bob2, reason i'm removing it is because the firefox shipped is buggy as heck
[03:05] <farruinn> just depends on a bunch of things but doesn't provide any apps
[03:05] <neighborlee> good then its gone lol
[03:06] <bob2> just that when you upgrade to hoary you may not get new things installed
[03:06] <neighborlee> cause I now have firefox1.0 ;-)
[03:06] <bob2> neighborlee: er, so was the 1.0pr1 which was available when waryt released
[03:06] <neighborlee> bob2, came with 0.93
[03:07] <neighborlee> bob2, i'm happy to file bug report assuming not already done..it just stalls on browsing
[03:07] <bob2> yes, I know
[03:07] <neighborlee> ic
[03:07] <K-Rich> metacity problem? what metacity problem? where do i go to look at bugs?
[03:07] <bob2> waryt originally had 1.0pr1, but it was reverted to 0.9.3 because 1.0 was too buggy
[03:07] <neighborlee> LOL
[03:07] <bob2> K-Rich: maybe on the bug tracking system?
[03:07] <bob2> K-Rich: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:08] <Orbo> bob2: that tutorial asks me to cat /proc/pci
[03:08] <K-Rich> no shi... errrr thatnks, what i meant was the url :P
[03:08] <Orbo> but there is no pci in /proc
[03:08] <nictuku> will hoary feature freenx?
[03:09] <Gwildor> bob2: i just want a BASE install, then install xfree and flux & stuff, for a 333 128mb ram, but um, it seems to install X, i need to install ubuntu-desktop, and that is a bunch of stuff i dont want
[03:09] <bob2> Gwildor: no, you don't need to install ubuntu-desktop to get X
[03:09] <K-Rich> Orbo: /proc/bus/pci/
[03:09] <Orbo> thanks
[03:09] <Gwildor> bob2: well, i tried apt-get install x-window-system-core, that called for ubuntu-desktop
[03:10] <bob2> Orbo: if you know you have an ATI card, ignore that bit
[03:10] <Orbo> right
[03:10] <bob2> Gwildor: it doesn't Depend on it here
[03:11] <Gwildor> bob2: hmmm, well, i will try again in a bit,......x-window-system-core is the package i want correct?
[03:11] <bob2> Gwildor: yes
[03:13] <Gwildor> bob2: jsut in case i run into the same problem, is there a workaround?
[03:15] <bob2> for what?
[03:15] <bob2> breaking dependencies?
[03:15] <bob2> no
[03:16] <K-Rich> bob2: sure there is... don't update :P
[03:16] <hams> when i try the hoary-install-amd64 image, it freezes after selecting my location (United States), any ideas?
[03:17] <bob2> hams: ask on the user list or file a bug
[03:17] <hams> i kinda want to install it now...
[03:17] <mdz> trey3: I'm glad to see that feature going in as well :-)
[03:18] <hams> i tried linux noapic nolapic as well, but same result
[03:20] <hams> bob2: any chance warty would work better or is the installer unchanged?
[03:22] <bob2> it would be good to know if it works
[03:25] <hams> what's the fastest site to get warty from?
[03:25] <nevyn> hams: never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 full of cd's
[03:25] <Phineas> So I installed xampp for my desktop test machine, but the php doesn't seem to be working... anyone have any experience with it on Ubuntu?
[03:26] <hams> nevyn: doh....
[03:26] <Phineas> It says php is activated, but when I try and open a php file in Firefox, it tries to save the file.
[03:27] <Sav> where do i find skins to xmms? and where do i add them?
[03:30] <unsurreal> hey, whats the best way to install kde 3.3 from a fresh install of warty
[03:30] <Phineas> apt-get
[03:30] <unsurreal> apt-get -t universe install kde
[03:30] <unsurreal> yea
[03:30] <Phineas> you'll have to add universe to the repositories but that's the best way
[03:30] <soulsyphon> apt-get rocks =)
[03:30] <soulsyphon> today ive discovered the wonders of apt-get
[03:30] <Phineas> heh
[03:30] <unsurreal> here let me show u what im having troubls with
[03:30] <unsurreal> shit cant even
[03:30] <unsurreal> kde menu has nothing in it
[03:31] <unsurreal> kde panel has nothing in it
[03:31] <unsurreal> nothing is associated with anything in kde
[03:31] <unsurreal> kappfinder failed to do shit
[03:31] <Phineas> Have you checked the forums?
[03:31] <unsurreal> nope
[03:31] <unsurreal> came here first
[03:31] <Phineas> I don't have any experience installing kde for ubuntu, so I'd rec the forums
[03:34] <farruinn> I'd like to print an evolution calendar in "work week" view but it only wants to do "week"
[03:34] <farruinn> anyone know how to change this?
[03:35] <usual> I've noticed so many revisions of kernel 2.6.10 in hoary lately, what is the deal with that? what changes are being made that it has to update so frequently?
[03:35] <farruinn> you don't *have* to update you know
[03:35] <unsurreal> what the ubuntu team thinks and is testing would make a good binary kernel for everyone
[03:36] <farruinn> could just update at the end of every week or something
[03:37] <jdub> usual: see the changelog :)
[03:37] <jdub> usual: we tend to do very quick bugfix cycles
[03:37] <usual> jdub, where would I find that
[03:37] <miguel_> hi there friends
[03:37] <jdub> usual: /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog*
[03:37] <usual> jdub, I noticed, but that package specificly seems to have alot of attention lately :)
[03:37] <usual> jdub thanks
[03:38] <miguel_> can someone tell me if ubuntu warthy comes with fglrx latest drivers from nvidia?
[03:38] <StolenShoeBox> is it easy to use an ipod with linux? Seeing as theres no itunes.
[03:38] <jdub> miguel_: estou procurando minhas calcas!
[03:38] <usual> gtkpod i think
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> miguel_: the latest drivers are in hoary, however warty has older fglrx drivers
[03:38] <jdub> miguel_: warty doesn't, but has best-effort supported versions
[03:38] <miguel_> can I update them manually?
[03:38] <usual> StolenShoeBox, http://gtkpod.sourceforge.net/
[03:39] <farruinn> gtkpod is in universe
[03:39] <unsurreal> since when did nvidia release fglrx?
[03:39] <StolenShoeBox> usual, thx
[03:39] <usual> np
[03:40] <miguel_> i forgot to mencion, im searchin to upgrade to latest ati drivers for x86_64 arch
[03:40] <unsurreal> they sound good , but i havnt tried em yet
[03:42] <miguel_> i tried them in gentoo they seem stable, but are a bit slow...
[03:42] <usual> jdub, whoa...I just did a dist upgrade and everything was cool, I opened nautilus browser to home and double clicked on a folder and x crashed haha
[03:43] <unsurreal> lol
[03:43] <miguel_> it seems i cannot find anything about setting up my pc as a router in ubuntu wiki
[03:44] <miguel_> but i know how to do it in other distros, just need to find out how can i build up modules in ubuntu...
[03:45] <usual> oooo
[03:45] <usual> ubuntu update manager
[03:45] <usual> thats new
[03:45] <LinuxJones> miguel_, you might be better off with something like Shorewall ?
[03:46] <miguel_> i dont know whats that :p i installed ubuntu 3 hours ago...
[03:46] <vitaminmoo> 'ello
[03:46] <miguel_> hmmm found some info on synaptic hehehe tks
[03:47] <LinuxJones> miguel_, it is a distribution designed for firewall/routing
[03:47] <miguel_> gonna try that out, i just want to share my internet connection with other win2k box
[03:48] <LinuxJones> miguel_, ahh that's only like 2 or 3 lines in Iptables and a few tweaks
[03:49] <LinuxJones> time for bed night everybody
[03:50] <miguel_> but i dont have iptables module compiled
[03:51] <Sav> ANyonw know how to get a "Dell true mobile 1400 Dual Band WLAN Mini-PCI Card" working?
[03:51] <miguel_> i downloaded it from synaptic but i try modprobe iptables and it doesn find the module
[03:51] <usual> how new is the ubuntu update manager?
[03:51] <usual> i never noticed it until today'
[03:55] <StolenShoeBox> Can someone tell em how to format a floppy
[03:55] <StolenShoeBox> me*
[03:55] <grepper> bah, can't get the bootsplash working
[03:56] <grepper> at least I got a nice looking grub splash going
[03:56] <grepper> it almost looks like it is having probs with vga=791 , but I can boot with a framebuffer and no bootsplash fine
[03:57] <farruinn> StolenShoeBox: tried Applications>System Tools>Floppy Formatter ?
[03:57] <StolenShoeBox> farruinn, no lol but thx =)
[03:57] <farruinn> :)
[03:57] <moquist> for anybody who happened to notice my SATA comments yesterday, I figured out the problem.  Two identical DOA Hitachi disks.
[03:58] <miguel_> how do i configure my 2nd network card? it does not appear under Network device in network tools
[03:58] <miguel_> but ifconfig -a shows me 2 eth devices
[03:58] <vitaminmoo> bleh, hello again
[03:58] <Phineas> howdy
[03:59] <vitaminmoo> ubuntu is planning on switching to Xorg, yes?
[03:59] <daniels> vitaminmoo: already have in our development branch
[03:59] <vitaminmoo> daniels: Very nice
[04:00] <vitaminmoo> Just got ubuntu installed, and I've got to admit, I'm pretty impressed
[04:03] <K-Rich> weeeeeeeeeeeee do it again
[04:07] <melazyboy2> Does anyone know if when hoary goes stable ubuntu will have package selection?
[04:07] <jdub> define what you mean by package selection?
[04:07] <sensebend> package selection?
[04:07] <melazyboy2> package selection (n) - the ability to select packages to be installed, or to deselct those which are scheduled for install.
[04:08] <jdub> no
[04:08] <bur[n] er> are there i686 optimized ubuntu debs?
[04:08] <melazyboy2> bur[n] er: Yes apt-cache search i686
[04:08] <bur[n] er> this is the one thing arch linux has that seems like it could be easily done with apt
[04:08] <jdub> bur[n] er: ubuntu is built with 486 instructions, tuned for 686
[04:09] <jdub> bur[n] er: there is no point rebuilding everything for compiler cpu optimisations like that; sane software will choose cpu-specific optimisations at runtime
[04:09] <crypticreign> damnit, no one responded to my cd burning issue on ubuntuforums :/
[04:09] <crypticreign> need to burn audio cd's before big trip wed
[04:10] <bur[n] er> oh?
[04:10] <bur[n] er> i didn't know ;)
[04:11] <bur[n] er> so running arch might not be a performance boost?
[04:11] <crypticreign> no
[04:11] <crypticreign> ive done distros form source for quite a while
[04:12] <crypticreign> unless you have a specific need, there's no point
[04:12] <bur[n] er> just curious... i used gentoo at one point, didn't notice a performance increase and just went to debian
[04:14] <crypticreign> bur[n] er: they can be fun and a great way to lurn linux.. certainly some of the more bare bones ones like Lunar
[04:14] <jdub> bur[n] er: it's all a sick fantasy spewed forth by people who have more time than sense.
[04:15] <Guardiann> good evening guys
[04:16] <kakalto> good afternoon.
[04:16] <Guardiann> :)
[04:16] <bur[n] er> jdub: kinda what i was thinking ;)
[04:16] <kakalto> does anyone know if the S3 "Trio64" is supported by warty?
[04:17] <daniels> yes
[04:19] <usual> is beagle going to be added to ubuntu or does it have to enter debian first
[04:19] <kakalto> what entries does the XF86 config file have to have to be able to play avi
[04:19] <kakalto> *avi's
[04:20] <kakalto> I get audio, but no visuals, and I have definately installed the codec pack
[04:21] <kakalto> I just changed my XF86 Config file to remove my multi-monitor settings, but...
[04:29] <Djm> anyone free to help install problems?
[04:30] <kakalto> that was easy
[04:30] <kakalto> I had to reboot :P
[04:31] <Djm> what are mount options?
[04:32] <Phineas> Djm, type "man mount" in the terminal
[04:32] <kakalto> the man pages are great
[04:33] <kakalto> if you have trouble with women, try "man women" in the terminal
[04:33] <Djm> nah, im completely new to this and dont have a clue :P
[04:33] <kakalto> that's the point
[04:33] <Djm> No Root file system is defined
[04:33] <grepper> ah, I think I know what I might have done
[04:33] <Djm> during install
[04:33] <kakalto> well, that kinda points it out
[04:33] <Djm> i know what it wants
[04:33] <pvh> Is anyone here running Hoary?
[04:33] <jesuel> mmmm pizza
[04:34] <Djm> so confused though
[04:34] <Djm> >>kolya durham uni eh :)
[04:34] <Djm> might be going there next year
[04:37] <bradb> http://paste.husk.org/2491 and http://paste.husk.org/2492: Why isn't apt-get dist-upgrade willing to remove libpt-1.6.3 but apt-get install is? Is it because a dist-upgrade is only willing to suggest removing packages when those packages aren't depended on by anything?
[04:41] <Djm> "the debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1) . Check /var/log/messages or see virtual console 3 for the details"
[04:41] <Djm> help?
[04:41] <Djm> this is a base system installation error
[04:41] <Djm> and i clearly have no idea what im doing
[04:43] <randabis> anyone have some experience with nfs?
[04:43] <randabis> I keep getting invalid argument errors during my exportfs -a
[04:43] <vitaminmoo> Unfortunately
[04:43] <crypticreign> is there a diskwriter plugin for bmp?
[04:45] <randabis> any ideas? invalid argument on all my exports and permission denied on the clients when they try to mount
[04:45] <vitaminmoo> Are you sure about the syntax you're using in exports?
[04:45] <randabis> This "might" have to do with running hoary, not sure
[04:46] <randabis> can you look at it for me? I'll post it in pastebin
[04:46] <pvh> Why doesn't audio preview work in Nautilus?
[04:46] <vitaminmoo> If you like, no guarantees regarding my worth, though
[04:47] <randabis> http://www.pastebin.com/233127
[04:48] <vitaminmoo> Looks sane to me
[04:48] <randabis> I know...that's why I don't understand why I'm getting errors
[04:48] <randabis> is there a specific port it uses?
[04:48] <randabis> maybe I need to open it
[04:49] <zenrox> randabis,  are you running a firewall on your pc
[04:49] <zenrox> any one of them
[04:49] <randabis> no firewall on any
[04:49] <zenrox> hmm
[04:49] <randabis> for the most part they are default hoary installs
[04:49] <zenrox> then thats not your prob
[04:50] <vitaminmoo> nfs is very sensitive to network conditions, but unless you're doing something strange...
[04:50] <randabis> I have a hardware firewall in the router
[04:50] <vitaminmoo> is the router between your PCs?
[04:50] <zenrox> randabis,  that wont stop it on a local network
[04:50] <zenrox> i share smbfs no prob
[04:50] <randabis> the router is shared between all of us...that's how we're linked
[04:50] <zenrox> i want to try for nfs
[04:51] <zenrox> ya the router has a 4 port hub
[04:51] <vitaminmoo> randabis: If there is a firewall between you, you'll need to poke holes in it
[04:51] <zenrox> just like mine
[04:51] <crypticreign> how can i change the huge fonts in k3b?  the only kde program i have inst alled is k3b and all its deps
[04:51] <linux-rulz> how easy is it to get samba working with ubuntu? anyone have a guide?
[04:51] <zenrox> www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:51] <randabis> zenrox yes normally it works...I've been sharing a folder between my laptop and this box for a while, now nothing is working
[04:51] <xalphas> yep nice guide there for samba
[04:51] <randabis> so what port does nfs use?
[04:51] <zenrox> so it ant your router then
[04:51] <xalphas> i just set my samba perfectly today
[04:53] <randabis> I know the local network is running correctly. I'm able to ping everyone
[04:53] <vitaminmoo> Pinging does not connect to ports, though
[04:53] <randabis> I know
[04:53] <xalphas> randabis are you sure you set your smb.conf truely
[04:54] <randabis> xalphas I'm not using samba
[04:54] <randabis> I'm using nfs
[04:54] <defendguin> [OWL] Cleaver, ask your ubuntu questions here
[04:54] <xalphas> sorry i thought you were asking the samba question
[04:55] <xalphas> for Linux-rulz http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[04:55] <moquist> anybody here have a working Radeon in Ubuntu?
[04:56] <moquist> I'm trying to follow the directions at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto, but I'm having no joy here.
[04:56] <jpedrosa> not with 3d, but I got 2 monitors working fine with 2d. not helpful, huh? :-)
[04:56] <moquist> ATM, the problem is that when I run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg', no xorg.conf or XF86Config file is written.
[04:56] <pvh> Does upgrading to Hoary break my XFree86Config-4?
[04:56] <linux-rulz> alright, thx, im reading it now...ill be back if i have any problems...and probably if i dont ;)
[04:56] <moquist> and /etc/init.d/gdm start/restart does *nothing*.
[04:57] <vitaminmoo> Hmm. Is mplayer really not available in any of the repos?
[04:57] <randabis> grr
[04:57] <xalphas> no it is available one of the repos
[04:57] <randabis> this is really annoying
[04:57] <pvh> moquist: Oh!
[04:57] <pvh> moquist: I know that problem.
[04:57] <pvh> moquist: You need to run dexconf at the end.
[04:58] <moquist> vitaminmoo: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9850
[04:58] <crypticreign> trey3: k3b burns my cd's just fine.. so much for a gtk2 only desktop :/
[04:58] <pvh> moquist: Reconfiguring just changes the database values.
[04:58] <pvh> moquist: Dexconf writes them out.
[04:58] <moquist> pvh: k...
[04:58] <vitaminmoo> moquist: Why thank you
[04:58] <pvh> moquist: If you look at the top of the file, it explains that.
[04:58] <xalphas> you have to add deb http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./ to your repos for ix86 mplayer
[04:58] <pvh> moquist: By file, I mean your XF86Config
[04:58] <moquist> pvh: huh.  well look at that pretty /etc/X11/xorg.conf file... :)
[04:58] <moquist> pvh: I'm running Hoary, so I get xorg.conf
[04:58] <pvh> moquist: I'm just updating right now.
[04:59] <pvh> moquist: But yes, I went through the same process.
[04:59] <moquist> /etc/init.d/gdm {re}start still does nothing... grr.
[04:59] <moquist> and when I run Xorg directly, of course no apps/wm/gnome happen(s).
[04:59] <pvh> moquist: That's not a good sign.
[04:59] <moquist> and I even have 'gnome-session' in my .xinitrc...
[04:59] <pvh> moquist: Try startx.
[04:59] <moquist> pvh: apparently no startx with Xorg.  ??
[05:00] <pvh> moquist: Odd.
[05:00] <[OWL] Cleaver> hey guys... i followed the faq's on nvidia by the word and i still cant get my xserver to start with nvidia options, any sugestions?
[05:00] <moquist> pvh: the only executable-looking file that I get with Xorg is "Xorg" - at least judging by what I see in 'dpkg -L xserver-xorg | less'
[05:00] <moquist> maybe I should look in xserver-xorg-common.
[05:01] <[OWL] Cleaver> hmmmm nvm
[05:01] <Djm> stupid install question to you lot..but which kernel?
[05:01] <moquist> or xorg-common; whatever.
[05:01] <pvh> moquist: Was it in there?
[05:01] <moquist> Djm: default, to start with.  at least, that's what I do.
[05:01] <moquist> pvh: nope.
[05:01] <Djm> which ones that :/
[05:01] <randabis> now I keep getting setup errors with my router virtual server app :/ friggin' belkin
[05:02] <moquist> Xorg on my Gentoo box comes with startx...
[05:02] <pvh> moquist: Maybe some other hoar will jump in with some advice.
[05:02] <moquist> Djm: the one you don't specify.  :)
[05:02] <Djm> buts its asking me :)
[05:02] <Djm> ive got a choice of 4
[05:02] <linux-rulz> your_system_username = "your network username"   For that part of setting up Samba, would I put that as ryan = "ryan"
[05:02] <linux-rulz> ?
[05:02] <pvh> Djm: At boot-time?
[05:03] <Djm> install
[05:03] <Djm> first linux install ever
[05:03] <[OWL] Cleaver> hmmm i sorted the issue
[05:03] <[OWL] Cleaver> thanks anyway guys
[05:03] <pvh> [OWL] Cleaver: Congrats. Good luck.
[05:03] <[OWL] Cleaver> ubunbtu rules
[05:03] <crypticreign> yeah
[05:03] <moquist> Djm: uh, it never asks me.  How did you get to that point?  :)
[05:03] <pvh> Djm: Sorry, not my area of expertise.
[05:03] <moquist> Djm: I assume you have a Warty install Cd, yes?
[05:03] <crypticreign> ubuntu is fantastic (im a linux on desktop user since 1997)
[05:03] <Djm> yup
[05:03] <moquist> Djm: x86?
[05:03] <Djm> yup
[05:04] <Djm> :)
[05:04] <Djm> i tried installng to fat32, gave me loads of errors, sorted that out
[05:04] <Djm> installed the base files
[05:04] <Djm> now this screen
[05:04] <xalphas> yes linux-rulz
[05:04] <moquist> Djm: uh... can you describe where you are in the installation process?  have you already specified a disk, done the partitioning, etc?
[05:04] <linux-rulz> thank you xalphas
[05:04] <moquist> Djm: oh, you're ahead of me.  keep typing.  :)
[05:04] <Djm> ah
[05:04] <Djm> lol
[05:04] <Djm> cheers anyway
[05:05] <xalphas> for the other user
[05:05] <[OWL] Cleaver> hmmmmm i got another problem tough
[05:05] <xalphas> you have to create an account linux-rulz
[05:05] <moquist> Djm: have you already rebooted?
[05:05] <[OWL] Cleaver> in desktop, my 1024x768 is stuck at 60 mhz
[05:05] <Djm> it gives me the choice of linux-image-386, linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386, linux-image2.6-386 Or linux-386....
[05:05] <[OWL] Cleaver> any way to get it up?
[05:05] <Djm> not yet
[05:05] <Cyborg_3K> hello
[05:05] <moquist> Djm: oh - I meant that you were answering my question before I asked it; not that I had no idea how to help (which might also be true).
[05:06] <moquist> Djm: which kernels is it offering to you?
[05:06] <Djm> the ones up one line ^^^
[05:06] <xalphas> from Computer -> System Configuration -> Users and Groups
[05:06] <Cyborg_3K> i need help with ubuntu live cd for a presentation at school: i will present ubuntu linux to the students at my university
[05:06] <Cyborg_3K> can anyone help me please?
[05:06] <moquist> Djm: sorry; I didn't see your post.
[05:06] <Djm> >>moquist np
[05:07] <linux-rulz> what do u mean create an account, is that where i did sudo smbpasswd -a ryan?
[05:07] <moquist> Djm: I have no idea why it's asking at all, but I'd pick linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386 if I were you.
[05:07] <Djm> done :)
[05:07] <Djm> cheers
[05:07] <Djm> it might be asking me that because i had to go back to installation menu
[05:07] <Djm> after the errors
[05:08] <xalphas> it is for the other samba user.. if you are going to use security=user
[05:08] <K-Rich> Cyborg_3K: i don't understand what you eed help with
[05:08] <Cyborg_3K> I have just one simple question: Has anybody tried booting the latest live cd on a laptop and if so, is dual view (clone view) enabled so that the same picture shows on the monitor as well as on a tv at the same time
[05:08] <K-Rich> need
[05:08] <Djm> I want to install XP later on another partition, shall i use the GRUB boot loader?
[05:08] <moquist> Djm: I would.
[05:08] <Djm> thanks
[05:08] <moquist> np
[05:09] <moquist> me has no idea if his advice on these matters is any good ;)
[05:09] <xalphas> Great Howto For You #DJM http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/
[05:09] <K-Rich> Cyborg_3K: twinview is not enabled on the live CD by default... and as for it working on a laptop, you may need to go to more boot options > frame buffer for it to work
[05:09] <Djm> brilliant :)
[05:09] <Djm> grub boot loader failed
[05:09] <Djm> great
[05:10] <Djm> Unable to install GRUB in (hd0) This is a fatal error
[05:10] <Djm> I bet it is
[05:10] <Djm> :s
[05:10] <Cyborg_3K> K-Rich, i got close to get it to work on my pc, but the image on my tv was blurred and i only got a partial image but it was working... in a way... it just wasn't the right refresh rate...
[05:11] <moquist> Djm: are you installing to a regular EIDE disk, a scsi disk, or something else crazy?
[05:11] <linux-rulz> xalphas: by creating an account, do u mean that i have to create a user on my computer named security? (in lame man's terms please ;) :P )
[05:12] <Djm> a crazy manky one..
[05:12] <Djm> other than its normal
[05:12] <K-Rich> Cyborg_3K: i use a TV as a second monitor myself, but i have Ubuntu installed
[05:12] <Djm> im only installed linux because when i put the XP cd in, the laptop shuts off after exactly 30 seconds every single time
[05:12] <Djm> installing*
[05:13] <Djm> but its nice to get to know it anyway
[05:13] <Cyborg_3K> K-Rich: oh well.. i guess i can always install it from the live cd... can i?
[05:13] <Djm> even if i do need a new HD
[05:13] <moquist> ah-ha!  GDM isn't even on my system.
[05:13] <K-Rich> Cyborg_3K: on that i have no idea :/
[05:13] <K-Rich> Cyborg_3K: never tried heh
[05:14] <Djm> thanks for the help moquist
[05:14] <moquist> Djm: np
[05:14] <Djm> going to try this again in the morning
[05:14] <moquist> Djm: good luck.
[05:14] <Djm> too tired
[05:14] <Djm> cheers
[05:14] <Cyborg_3K> K-Rich: ok well thanks anyway :)
[05:14] <Djm> cya
[05:14] <moquist> Djm: getting a better drive might double your XP uptime
[05:14] <Djm> hmm
[05:14] <moquist> Djm: but it will expand your Ubuntu installability and uptime almost infinitely  ;)
[05:14] <Djm> thats why its strange
[05:15] <Djm> XP funs fine, it just wont install
[05:15] <Djm> reinstall i should say
[05:15] <Djm> runs*
[05:15] <Djm> i think a new HD is needed definitely
[05:15] <moquist> Djm: oh, I understand.  You can't install XP either.
[05:15] <Djm> checked the memory earlier
[05:15] <moquist> Djm: sounds like a new HDD is the way to go
[05:15] <Djm> yup
[05:15] <Djm> wierdest problem ive ever encountered
[05:15] <Djm> just turning off like someones pulled the plug
[05:16] <moquist> Djm: true HW problems tend to be really weird.
[05:16] <Djm> after exactly 30 seconds every single time
[05:16] <Djm> ah well
[05:16] <Djm> ty
[05:16] <Djm> cya
[05:16] <moquist> bye
[05:17] <moquist> pvh: I installed GDM and at least that's working now.
[05:19] <seven_in_love> hi
[05:20] <seven_in_love> co ai nguoi viet noi chuyen voi toi
[05:22] <Bigglez> Installed Ubu 1st time today. Funny problems, Gnome crashed, but I think I will be patient.
[05:23] <Bigglez> Real irk: Install shows all drives for partitioning etc. When finally in Gnome, shows only one HDD - why no others?
[05:25] <grepper> Bigglez: /sbin/fdisk -l will show other partitions/disks to you.  If you want to use them you need to mount them
[05:25] <Bigglez> grepper - cool. I think that Ubu should do that auto - esp after install. no?
[05:26] <grepper> well, this way you get to choose your mount points etc - where is the installer going to mount them ?
[05:27] <grepper> I would find a knoppix style of /mnt/hdb2 /mnt/hdb3 annoying
[05:27] <Bigglez> It could make points in /mnt called hdb hdc etc. I compare this to My Computer in Windoze...
[05:27] <Bigglez> At least the drives would show up. Think of a total newb!
[05:28] <snowblink> SUSE create /windows/C, D, etc.
[05:28] <grepper> who didn't read the install guide ?  :P
[05:28] <snowblink> easier to remove lines from fstab than add
[05:28] <Bigglez> Hey - sue me! One hdd crashing and time running out...
[05:29] <grepper> snowblink: I thought suse used /data1 /data2 etc
[05:29] <Bigglez> Also - Gnome shows a "floppy drive" but I don't have one. Is that an fstab thang?
[05:29] <snowblink> grepper: maybe it has been updated. Last SUSE I used was 8.2
[05:30] <randabis> well guys, my ports are open, but I still cannot get nfs working
[05:31] <randabis> I keep getting invalid argument when I do exportfs -a or /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart
[05:31] <Bigglez> Sheesh - NFS. I got it working once on Fedora. I still have nightmares!
[05:32] <randabis> it's not hard to set up at all...and it usually DOES work...I don't know what's wrong
[05:33] <Bigglez> Hey, anyone know how to resize a window in Gnome using Alt + RMB -- like in KDE?
[05:33] <K-Rich> Bigglez: alt+mmb
[05:34] <Bigglez> randabis - sorry I can't really help you. Maybe you need to update some stuff?
[05:34] <Bigglez> K-Rich - serious!? I will try it as soon as I can! Thanx! (Am in Fedora KDE at the mo)
[05:34] <K-Rich> Bigglez: alt-lmb to move as well
[05:34] <randabis> running hoary, did an apt-get update and dist-upgrade less than an hour ago
[05:34] <randabis> on all three boxes trying to share
[05:35] <Bigglez> K-Rich - I don't think of my MMB because of the wheel - makes it hard to press.
[05:36] <Bigglez> On the Gnome front: Is there a way to setup shortcut keys like Win + F = Firefox ?
[05:36] <K-Rich> Bigglez: i'd be lost without it
[05:36] <jdub> Bigglez: it is with a bit of gconf action; there's no ui for it yet
[05:37] <Bigglez> jdub - ok, made a note. Thanks.
[05:37] <randabis> :(
[05:38] <K-Rich> jdub: actually gconf-editor can do it
[05:38] <Bigglez> In KDE I am used to making little scripts for the context menu (like send to email or unzip etc). Gnome?
[05:38] <jdub> K-Rich: that's modifying gconf, not what i would call a reasonable ui
[05:38] <K-Rich> Bigglez: you can make nautilus scripts yes
[05:38] <Bigglez> randabis - sorry I can't help ya! Networking is a mystery to me!
[05:38] <K-Rich> jdub: better than nothing though
[05:39] <Iceman3301> Anyone know how to make the backlit keyboard on a PowerBook Aluminum work in Ubuntu?  PBBUTTINSD is loaded and everything works except the backlit keyboard...
[05:39] <jdub> K-Rich: thus "gconf action" above
[05:39] <grepper> snowblink: yes, it is /data*  .  In anycase I find it annoying :)
[05:39] <Bigglez> Is there any way to get a gui kinda listing of all your devices and drives?
[05:40] <snowblink> grepper: good thing you're using ubuntu then!
[05:40] <vitaminmoo> Bigglez: computer->system configuration->device manager
[05:40] <whiprush>  man ... just 2 lousy packages away from beagle love.
[05:41] <grepper> heh
[05:41] <Bigglez> vitaminmoo - tah. I dunno why I couldn't find it.
[05:41] <vitaminmoo> Bigglez: np :)
[05:41] <grepper> actually I'm not :P
[05:41] <Bigglez> Anyone here do Blender?
[05:42] <Iceman3301> how can I determine what kernel modules are loaded?
[05:42] <Bigglez> /sbin/lsmod?
[05:43] <Bigglez> Bigglez scratches note to self "nautilus scripts"...
[05:44] <K-Rich> Bigglez: i do Blender have for years
[05:44] <Iceman3301> thanks
[05:44] <Bigglez> great! I'm new (about 1 year) - lovely app that!
[05:44] <K-Rich> Bigglez: i'm an op in #blenderchat
[05:45] <cg0def> does anyone know if gentoo has more packages in their db than debian?
[05:45] <Bigglez> K-Rich - this is about the 3rd time in my internet life that I have used IRC. It's pretty wooly to me!
[05:45] <HrdwrBoB> cg0def:  don't beleive so but I'm not sure it's overly important
[05:45] <Bigglez> Is #blenderchat on freenode.net?
[05:45] <K-Rich> Bigglez: ahhh i'm an addict myself :)
[05:45] <cg0def> HrdwrBoB: I was arguing with some guy
[05:46] <HrdwrBoB> cg0def: don't argue with gentoo users :)
[05:46] <cg0def> HrdwrBoB: I know that gentoo list every version of every package they have and that's how they get their 100,000
[05:46] <Bigglez> I might be getting ADSL and then I will have more time to chat
[05:46] <cg0def> plus gentoo has horrible gnome app support compared to their kde
[05:46] <cg0def> and I never use kde
[05:47] <cg0def> HrdwrBoB: but yeah you're right about never arguing with gentoo users
[05:47] <euphemism> DSL doesn't give you more time.
[05:47] <euphemism> it seems to me DSL steals my time.  :o)
[05:47] <K-Rich> Bigglez: you'll never want to go back to dialup lol.... i tried once.... eww
[05:48] <cg0def> K-Rich: there is nothing wrong with dial up but only when you are on the road or you have no other choise ...
[05:49] <K-Rich> cg0def: just the difference after getting used to DSL is frightning :)
[05:50] <cg0def> K-Rich: yeah I know :)
[05:50] <K-Rich> cable is faster still where i am though
[05:50] <Bigglez> ciao
[05:51] <cg0def> that's exactly why I have cable:) plus it costs about the same
[05:51] <cg0def> at least here it does
[05:52] <K-Rich> about the same here only there is no cable where i live (to my house, there is no electricity either, i use solar) just phones and dsl
[05:53] <cg0def> K-Rich: are you serious, solar? how is that?
[05:53] <cg0def> K-Rich: other than dirt cheap :)
[05:56] <zenrox> K-Rich,  its amasing that dsl can reach you
[05:58] <cg0def> zenrox: I don't think he lives in the US so that's not that amazing
[05:59] <zenrox> dont matter dsl in any country as a limet from switching office to the customer
[05:59] <zenrox> eather km or miles
[05:59] <guest> hi, I need a debian unstable listed package, gimp-gap ... but 'universe' has not got it. What next?
[05:59] <calc> zenrox: its about 5km right?
[06:00] <vitaminmoo> It's 18000 feet of wire, generally
[06:00] <vitaminmoo> Regarding DSL
[06:00] <crimsun> guest: it's in 'hoary/universe'
[06:00] <HrdwrBoB> hoary is unstable ubuntu
[06:00] <zenrox> calc, dont ask me in miles its like 10,000 feet
[06:00] <cg0def> zenrox: yeah I know there is limitations to how far dsl goes but I think he ment to say that they chose not so use regular power and then cable is really not everywhere
[06:01] <guest> crimsun: how do I find this info myself?
[06:01] <calc> zenrox: ah i thought it was closer to 15,000 feet which is roughly 5km
[06:01] <crimsun> guest: have hoary in your sources.list, and apt-cache policy gimp-gap
[06:02] <zenrox> calc that the extreem edge at that distance its hard to maintain a stable connect
[06:02] <calc> yea
[06:02] <guest> crimsun: isn't hoary next version of warty...?] #
[06:02] <zenrox> vz here has said 10,000 is max
[06:02] <cg0def> hoary is
[06:02] <crimsun> guest: < HrdwrBoB> hoary is unstable ubuntu  [it's the next version of ubuntu] 
[06:03] <zenrox> yep
[06:03] <zenrox> and if you wnat to try it out and deal with minor anoices
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> guest: warty is stable, hoary is currently unstable, in april, hoary will be stable and warty will be old
[06:03] <zenrox> go for it
[06:04] <flamesrock> hi guys, I'm getting an error when trying to install ubuntu
[06:04] <flamesrock> it says that it couldn't retrieve bsdutils
[06:05] <flamesrock> I've tried 4 times, on three different cd's (two from mail, and one burnt of hoary-release)
[06:05] <flamesrock> any ideas?
[06:05] <guest> HrdwrBoB: so hoary is not really another name for a mirror of debian-unstable.
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> guest: no
[06:05] <cg0def> flamesrock: hoarty is unstable and you shouldn't use it to install yet
[06:06] <cg0def> flamesrock: it might not work
[06:06] <HrdwrBoB> guest: if you change your /etc/apt/sources.list lines to point to hoary
[06:06] <flamesrock> I've tried with 4.10 3 times, same error
[06:06] <flamesrock> I've also successfully installed hoary on a p4 (which I'm typing on right now)
[06:06] <cg0def> flamesrock: that's weird I have never seen that
[06:07] <cg0def> flamesrock: check if the pkg is on the disk
[06:07] <HrdwrBoB> flamesrock: what machine
[06:07] <snowblink> flamesrock: had similar problem
[06:07] <flamesrock> its an amd duron
[06:07] <flamesrock> my server
[06:08] <snowblink> flamesrock: 5 or 6 Ubuntu coaster CDs
[06:08] <pvh> After upgrading to Hoary, I still have xfree-server installed, and it is prompting me to update... What gives?
[06:08] <cg0def> anybody know if there's any considerable difference between a binary optimized for 386 and athlon-xp when you run them on an athlon xp?
[06:08] <pvh> Er, 'xserver-xfree86' is still installed.
[06:08] <guest> HrdwrBoB: ok apt.souces pointing to '.... hoary universe' . Now do I update package database?
[06:09] <flamesrock> actually, these are officials cds
[06:09] <flamesrock> like I said, they work on other machines..
[06:09] <HrdwrBoB> guest: apt-get update
[06:10] <sensebend> cg0def, a normal user wouldn't notice it
[06:10] <cg0def> what's a normal user?
[06:11] <sensebend> the difference isn't signifigant for all practical purposes
[06:11] <Necrosan> What's the best method to burn an audio cd in ubuntu?
[06:11] <guest> HrdwrBoB: update done... but whats that mentioned by crimsun about 'apt-cache policy gimp-gap'
[06:12] <cg0def> sensebend: well what about stuff like mplayer and xmms that can used 3dnow and other optimizations that were not available for 386/
[06:12] <sensebend> USE flags?
[06:13] <sensebend> most desktop users don't care, personally I use apt-build :)
[06:13] <guest> are all software in hoary neccesarily unstable?#
[06:14] <sensebend> guest, hoary is reasonably stable for a bleeding edge distro
[06:14] <cg0def> sensebend: how would you use USE flags in debian?
[06:14] <sensebend> I don't, and I don't know that you can
[06:14] <sensebend> I doubt you can
[06:14] <K-Rich> cg0def: sorry was making coffee.... works great unless it's overcast
[06:15] <sensebend> I do however make optimzed packages
[06:15] <guest> so if gimp-gap fails with gimp version dependencies updating gimp is not a bad idea?
[06:16] <Surphaze> trey3, finally got ndiswrapper up and going
[06:16] <randabis> maybe this error is hoary related...
[06:17] <randabis> I still can't get nfs going
[06:17] <randabis> I keep getting the error "/media/storage/mp3: Invalid Argument" when I do exportfs -ra
[06:18] <K-Rich> randabis: using nfs-user-server ?
[06:18] <randabis> kernel-server
[06:19] <randabis> I get the same error when doing /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart
[06:19] <K-Rich> off... i use nfs with warty for my render farm
[06:20] <randabis> well I've had it working with hoary just fine, but I started getting this error when I added a new export...first the original export would still work, now neither work
[06:20] <Surphaze> what do I need to do in order to get newer versions of fluxbox, firefox, blender in apt... I added warty universe and I see fluxbox now but only the old version
[06:21] <randabis> you have to upgrade to hoary to get newer versions
[06:21] <sri_> hey is there any debs of f-spot?  (the newest version)
[06:21] <K-Rich> Surphaze: yeah blender is old in warty 2.33a i think, i just move the download from the site to /opt
[06:21] <Br34ch> I've got a weird problem.. probably a nub problem, but I installed Xfce yesterday . . . and when I go in that session, the things I install no longer appear to be in that session, but always are "findable" in the gnome session.. I'm not used to Linux at all . . . someone please give me a clue here (Xfce, by the way, is set up as the default)
[06:22] <Surphaze> hey K-Rich :)
[06:22] <whiprush> sri_: I built one, but it's not exactly a pinnacle of .deb quality (see my blog)
[06:23] <randabis> can anyone help? I'm about to rip out my hair here
[06:24] <Br34ch> ;\ lucky for me I have no hair
[06:24] <K-Rich> lol i've lost enough myself...
[06:24] <Surphaze> is hoary somewhat stable? I don't want to cause more problems then I fix
[06:24] <crimsun> Surphaze: it has its oddities, but overall it has been quite smooth
[06:25] <Br34ch> I'd like to know . . . if there's a resonable solutoin to my problem :] 
[06:26] <Br34ch> I know I'm doing something very.. nubbish wrong here.. erm . . :'(
[06:26] <K-Rich> Br34ch: i'm not sure, but i think with xfce you need to add the apps to the menu yourself ...
[06:26] <Surphaze> crimsun, alright thanks, its not a server or anything so I'll give it a shot.  I assume howto is in the docs somewhere
[06:26] <sri_> whiprush: heh. as long as it works ;)
[06:26] <Surphaze> crimsun, only been running ubuntu like 2 days
[06:26] <crimsun> Surphaze: yes, check the wiki.
[06:26] <Surphaze> ok thanks
[06:26] <randabis> this nfs thing being among the oddities :(
[06:26] <Br34ch> Oh, it well may had been something as simple as that . . . thanks K-Rich
[06:26] <crimsun> (rather, search the wiki :)
[06:26] <randabis> it used to work...
[06:26] <snowblink> randabis: log files shedding any light?
[06:26] <K-Rich> crimsun: same old change warty to hoary in sources.list right?
[06:26] <Br34ch> Well, I'm gonna play around and tweak with this stuff a little more. Thanks again.. bbl
[06:27] <randabis> no, and my exports file appears to be okay
[06:27] <crimsun> K-Rich: and comment out security, yep
[06:27] <K-Rich> crimsun: or wait a few weeks for the release lol
[06:27] <crimsun> K-Rich: well, a few months :)
[06:27] <K-Rich> weeks months... ha! :)
[06:27] <K-Rich> right now i'm happy with warty so :)
[06:28] <K-Rich> well, mostly happy.... be happier if my scanner and modem would work lol
[06:28] <K-Rich> but my modem i can fix... scanner on the other hand i dunno
[06:29] <linux-rulz> hi all. i messed up samba so i uninstalled samba and smbfs and removed my /etc/samba/ folder, but now when reinstalling samba it wont come back
[06:29] <linux-rulz> is there any way to make apt regenerate the folder
[06:30] <zenrox> easy linux-rulz  do a sudo mkdir /etc/samba
[06:30] <linux-rulz> will apt automatically fill the folder with all the files i need?
[06:30] <zenrox> should
[06:31] <K-Rich> crimsun: you know much about getting a scanner to work ?
[06:32] <zenrox> K-Rich,  witch scanner
[06:32] <linux-rulz> nope, wont work, it says samba is broken...is this one of those i shouldnt play around with stuff when i dont know what im doing incidents?
[06:32] <linux-rulz> :P
[06:32] <zenrox> linux-rulz,  yep
[06:33] <linux-rulz> is there any possible way to get those files back...like could someone make a tarball out of them and email the file to me or something, will that work, or do the files when they are unmodified contain info dependant upon your exact computer
[06:33] <linux-rulz> ?
[06:33] <zenrox> you might have to reinstall
[06:33] <K-Rich> zenrox: it's an hp scanjet 3300c ... i know i need libsane-extras but not sure how to get it to work, it's niash based....
[06:33] <Necrosan> What's the best method to burn an audio cd in ubuntu?
[06:33] <Necrosan> (Graphically friendly way, this is for a friend.)
[06:33] <randabis> I'm still getting this invalid argument :/
[06:33] <zenrox> Necrosan,  k3b
[06:33] <linux-rulz> would someone emailing me all of the files (in a .tar.gz) work?
[06:34] <zenrox> that wont work
[06:34] <K-Rich> zenrox: the file /etc/sane.d/niash.conf says something about uncommenting a line that reads /dev/usbscanner   but i have no /dev/usbscanner device
[06:34] <Stele_> Hi everyone...
[06:34] <Necrosan> zenrox: can i have my friend just open a terminal, sudo apt-get install k3b
[06:34] <Necrosan> and he'll be set?
[06:34] <zenrox> Necrosan,  yep
[06:34] <guest> if I have hoary added to sources list for a particular software ... is it wise to apt-get upgrade without restoring sources list?
[06:34] <zenrox> K-Rich,  hmmm
[06:35] <K-Rich> zenrox: my scanner does come up in /proc though
[06:35] <zenrox> K-Rich,  you'll have to find whare the /proc entry linkx to the /dev and put that in the /dev/usbscanner
[06:35] <zenrox> line
[06:36] <linux-rulz> why wouldnt someone emailing me those files work?
[06:36] <zenrox> in the niash.conf
[06:36] <zenrox> linux-rulz,  my files are edited for my sys
[06:36] <zenrox> and wont work for you
[06:36] <linux-rulz> ah, ok
[06:37] <techn0brain> Is there anyway to control my external modem volume?
[06:37] <linux-rulz> is there anyone here who doesnt use samba (so that there files wont be edited)?
[06:37] <K-Rich> zenrox: what do you mean?
[06:37] <guest> if I want to configure A REMOTE PRINTER WHERE DO I START?
[06:37] <zenrox> what does it come up in /proc
[06:38] <K-Rich> zenrox: one sec i'll paaste what i know to you
[06:38] <zenrox> not here use
[06:38] <zenrox> www.pastebin.com
[06:39] <zenrox> guest add printer
[06:39] <K-Rich> zenrox: fourth idem down and description is the file http://rafb.net/paste/results/HqaEZW61.html
[06:41] <linux-rulz> What about taking a tarball of the files on my mom's ubuntu computer (she hasnt set samba up yet) and then transfering them to my computer? would that work if the files are unedited? do the files contain anything specific to a computer if they are unedited?
[06:41] <zenrox> ok K-Rich  do a lsmod and post it to www.pastebin.com
[06:42] <randabis> okay, I've come to the conclusion that the latest hoary updates have broken nfs
[06:42] <K-Rich> zenrox: god i hate pastebin, always adds the <?php lol anyhow http://www.pastebin.com/233154
[06:43] <randabis> guess it's time for bugzilla
[06:43] <zenrox> If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=10(unk. ) Sub=01 Prot=00 Driver=(none <--- this tells me you dont have the driver loaded
[06:43] <zenrox> and lsmod proved it
[06:44] <K-Rich> how do i load it?
[06:44] <zenrox> i dont know what driver youd use
[06:44] <K-Rich> it's the niash one
[06:45] <zenrox> K-Rich,  sudo modprobe niash
[06:45] <zenrox> then
[06:45] <K-Rich> not found :/
[06:45] <zenrox> then that ant the driver
[06:45] <linux-rulz> sorry for double posting but my mom needs to get to work in windows on her computer and is going to reboot, will copying the samba config files off of her computer work or not?
[06:45] <K-Rich> i know it uses the niash chipset
[06:46] <zenrox> go to the sane webpage and look for how to
[06:46] <K-Rich> ans xsane only want to open my usb camera :/
[06:46] <zenrox> it reconizes it
[06:46] <zenrox> and can use it
[06:47] <Necrosan> zenrox: k3b runs natively in gnome now?
[06:47] <zenrox> the drivers for thoes are allready loaded
[06:47] <Necrosan> or does it require kdelibs?
[06:47] <zenrox> Necrosan,  i should auto select all the deps
[06:47] <zenrox> from kde
[06:47] <Necrosan> ah, ok. (im gonna set it up for him tomorrow)
[06:47] <zenrox> need to have the universe enableds
[06:48] <Necrosan> yeah, that's all enabled.
[06:48] <zenrox> hmm dep errors
[06:48] <K-Rich> zenrox: http://www.sane-project.org/man/sane-niash.5.html
[06:49] <zenrox> might have to use dpkg -i --force-overwrite the.kde.deb
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:51] <zenrox> K-Rich, sane-niash
[06:51] <zenrox> is the driver
[06:51] <K-Rich> just tried that as well, says the niash.conf file needs to have the path to either /dev/usb/scanner or /dev/usbscanner  ( from 'man sane-niash' )
[06:52] <K-Rich>  If no device  is  given,  the
[06:52] <K-Rich>        backend will use libUSB.
[06:52] <zenrox> K-Rich,  this also might help http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=120925
[06:52] <zenrox> lots of good posts thare
[06:53] <randabis> A HA
[06:53] <randabis> I figured something out...
[06:54] <K-Rich> zenrox: reading now
[06:54] <zenrox> hehehe that help
[06:54] <randabis> the file /var/lib/nfs/etab does not define the hostname
[06:54] <randabis> that's why I'm getting the no host name error
[06:54] <zenrox> hahahah all this time for nothen
[06:54] <randabis> I edited it, but I still get the invalid argument error
[06:57] <froust> What is the trace route program for ubuntu called?
[06:58] <aebcoat> tracert i think
[06:58] <froust> danke
[06:58] <aebcoat> oops no its not
[06:59] <whappd> traceroute6
[06:59] <aebcoat> tracepath is it
[06:59] <whappd> ^
[06:59] <aebcoat> he both work
[06:59] <randabis> :( this must be a bug or something
[07:00] <whappd> /etc/hostname defines the hostname
[07:01] <randabis> I know
[07:01] <linux-rulz> hey, fixed the samba problem....just copied the files over from my moms computer
[07:01] <linux-rulz> worked like a charm
[07:02] <randabis> I know what the problem is, but I don't understand why it is happening
[07:02] <randabis> /etc/exports is being sent to /var/lib/nfs/etab incorrectly
[07:02] <zenrox> lol
[07:02] <randabis> /etc/exports has a host defined but /var/lib/nfs/etab does not
[07:03] <K-Rich> zenrox: has to uncomment the niash line in /etc/sane.d/dll.conf :)
[07:03] <zenrox> lol
[07:05] <linux-rulz> does anyone know why i need to install apache in order to install bugzilla through synaptic?
[07:05] <Pointy> So - the BinaryDriver page on the wiki seems a little outdate wrt ATI drivers
[07:06] <Pointy> There seem to be no fglrx packages of any sort
[07:06] <Pointy> can anyone point me in a better direction?
[07:07] <bob2> linux-rulz: you need to install a http server
[07:07] <bob2> there are 5000 in universe
[07:08] <bob2> Pointy: they're in restricted
[07:08] <Pointy> ?
[07:08] <Pointy> I just reloaded warty restricted - no dice
[07:09] <linux-rulz> bob2: why do i need to install an http server to just report bugs?
[07:09] <Pointy> uri:http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dist:warty section:restricted?
[07:09] <Necrosan> linux-rulz: LOL
[07:09] <linux-rulz> or do u not use the bugzilla program in order to report bugs with bugzilla?
[07:09] <Pointy> bob: that restricted
[07:09] <Necrosan> linux-rulz: Wrong bugzilla. That's to host a bugzilla server.
[07:10] <linux-rulz> ah...lol, never used it before
[07:10] <Necrosan> :)
[07:10] <Necrosan> The link to the ubuntu bugzilla server should be on the main distro page AFAIK.
[07:10] <Pointy> bob2: can you clarify?
[07:11] <linux-rulz> alright, thx, thought u needed the program to use it
[07:11] <Necrosan> Nope, it's just a website.
[07:14] <aebcoat> anyone know why my some of my device permisions could be resetting on reboot?
[07:14] <Pointy> bob2: little love?  I've checked the respositories... really not seeing it
[07:14] <stuNNed> aebcoat: edit udev.permissions or something
[07:15] <bob2> Pointy: well, they are there in the resticted repository
[07:16] <aebcoat> i run this from terminal "sudo chmod 666 /dev/nvidiactl " amd it fixes "glxgear" only until reboot
[07:16] <Pointy> bob2: warty restricted?
[07:16] <aebcoat> where i sudev.permssions?
[07:16] <aebcoat> nm i found it
[07:17] <aebcoat> looks like that should fix it
[07:17] <aebcoat> thatnks
[07:18] <randabis> I've filed a bug
[07:18] <randabis> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5852
[07:22] <randabis> :/
[07:23] <whappd> Hey, uh, what's up with root being disabled in Ubuntu?
[07:23] <jcoiron> 'lo all
[07:24] <randabis> whappd it's a security feature
[07:25] <mjr> whappd, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:25] <whappd> wonderful, but it's a security feature i'd rather do away with
[07:25] <whappd> thanks mjr
[07:25] <randabis> why do you want to enable root?
[07:25] <whappd> because i use root for administration tasks.
[07:26] <whappd> i'm not a fan of sudo.
[07:26] <randabis> you can use root without enabling it
[07:26] <whappd> and i can't even get sudo to work -- surprise, it wants a password
[07:26] <randabis> sudo su works wonderfully
[07:26] <randabis> it wants YOUR password
[07:26] <Dishwasher> anyone had any luck using wepcrack?
[07:26] <Dishwasher> any help would be appreciated
[07:26] <randabis> your user password
[07:27] <whappd> wow. that was... messed up.
[07:27] <whappd> well, thanks.
[07:27] <randabis> np
[07:27] <Dishwasher> anyone used wepcrack?
[07:27] <randabis> if you really want to enable root, you can, but it really isn't needed at all
[07:27] <whappd> randabis, i'm used to using root.
[07:27] <whappd> or at least using su to change to root user
[07:27] <Dishwasher> anyone using wepcrack?
[07:27] <randabis> you can use su with sudo
[07:27] <Dishwasher> polleeez
[07:27] <whappd> i don't like sudo
[07:28] <randabis> it's the same exact thing almost
[07:28] <whappd> i'd rather type su once to chance user
[07:28] <randabis> you type 5 more keys
[07:28] <bob2> whappd: *why* don't you like it?
[07:28] <whappd> and then exit back to my normal user when i'm done
[07:28] <Dishwasher> anyone at all in this room used wepcrack before?
[07:28] <randabis> you can do that with sudo su
[07:28] <bob2> Dishwasher: this sounds kinda off-topic
[07:28] <randabis> 5 more keys...big deal
[07:28] <whappd> it's fine for executing a single command...but when i need to do more than that, it's easier to not have to type in sudo each time
[07:28] <bob2> whappd: sudo -u blah -s
[07:28] <Dishwasher> hey bob2
[07:28] <bob2> whappd: then learn about things before criticising them and use the -s option
[07:28] <Dishwasher> how do i priv chat with you?
[07:29] <bob2> Dishwasher: you don't
[07:29] <randabis> whappd YOU DON'T HAVE TO...are you listening? sudo su
[07:29] <whappd> ooh, wow, let's jump all over whappd because *gasp* he likes to do things differently
[07:29] <Dishwasher> lol
[07:29] <whappd> christ
[07:29] <Dishwasher> i know its off topic
[07:29] <Dishwasher> but im using ubuntu
[07:29] <Dishwasher> lol
[07:29] <Dishwasher> ....
[07:29] <Dishwasher> any xp?
[07:29] <Dishwasher> if not ill leave
[07:29] <bob2> Dishwasher: I really don't have any interest in helping you break into someone's network, sorry
[07:29] <Dishwasher> cuz i have no ubuntu questions
[07:29] <Dishwasher> dude
[07:29] <Dishwasher> its my own network
[07:29] <randabis> I'll be happy to show you how to enable root, but I just don't see the logic of it
[07:29] <bob2> cya
[07:29] <Dishwasher> loser
[07:29] <bob2> right
[07:29] <Dishwasher> i already know the wep key
[07:29] <whappd> randabis, it's done.
[07:29] <stuNNed> bob2: loser?  seriously doubt it.
[07:29] <Dishwasher> i bought a ms-500 microsoft base station
[07:30] <Dishwasher> and am trying to bust on it
[07:30] <Dishwasher> jeez
[07:30] <Dishwasher> i would just like to know
[07:30] <bob2> anyway
[07:30] <randabis> the only difference between su and sudo su is 5 keys..I just don't see why it makes such a difference
[07:30] <Dishwasher> ive been busting on wepcrack for about 2 hours now
[07:30] <Dishwasher> and found the nifty little command
[07:30] <Dishwasher> iwlist scan
[07:30] <Dishwasher> which was pretty cool
[07:31] <Dishwasher> but i need some dang help
[07:31] <Dishwasher> was just asking
[07:31] <Dishwasher> and ya know whats really funny
[07:31] <Dishwasher> is that every time i ask
[07:31] <Dishwasher> everyone says that
[07:31] <bob2> please stop flooding
[07:31] <Dishwasher> what you said bob2
[07:31] <Dishwasher> floooding?
[07:31] <Dishwasher> im frigin typing!
[07:31] <whappd> Dishwasher, type things on one line instead of five.
[07:31] <bob2> and you're spouting lline after line of pointlessness
[07:31] <Dishwasher> fine
[07:31] <bob2> you can put it all on one line
[07:31] <Dishwasher> hey bob2
[07:31] <Dishwasher> shuvit
[07:31] <bob2> ok, thanks
[07:31] <randabis> meh, back to sulking about my nfs problem :(
[07:32] <K-Rich> heh
[07:32] <Nem[Laptop] > anyone know if Internet Explorer 6 SP1 works with ubuntu?
[07:32] <randabis> it will work with wine
[07:32] <whappd> Nem[Laptop] , it should with software like Crossover Office
[07:32] <K-Rich> with wine it should (or crossover office)
[07:32] <whappd> (which uses wine, yeah)
[07:32] <Nem[Laptop] > seriuz?
[07:32] <Nem[Laptop] > koolz.
[07:32] <whappd> It does work with Crossover, actually
[07:32] <morgs> randabis: there's a difference in philosophy: with sudo you do everything as *you* (the user). With sudo you do stuff as root, which means you could be tempted to just be logged in as root all the time and then get exploited...
[07:32] <randabis> why you would want to use a crappy insecure browser is beyond me though :/
[07:33] <Dishwasher> sorry bob2
[07:33] <whappd> randabis, i use it to test designs for cross-browser compatibility
[07:33] <morgs> randabis: oops, second time i meant su not sudo
[07:33] <Dishwasher> lost my cool, had to cool down first
[07:33] <Dishwasher> im just frustrated
[07:33] <Nem[Laptop] > randabis: my work intranet has lots of pages that don't work in firefox
[07:33] <Nem[Laptop] > and I love spyware.
[07:33] <Dishwasher> ill put everything on one line and wait for other ppl to talk before i but in and get in there way.  plus i would like any help if you even have it on wepcrack
[07:33] <morgs> Nem[Laptop] : tried Opera?
[07:34] <Nem[Laptop] > morgs: isnt that full of ads?
[07:34] <randabis> that's the fault of the coders within your intranet :(
[07:34] <randabis> it's not gecko's fault that web developers use bad code :/
[07:34] <Dishwasher> did you guys read that article on the writer of firefox?
[07:34] <Nem[Laptop] > randabis: yeh well... i have complained on many an occasion
[07:34] <Dishwasher> hes 19!!!!!!
[07:34] <Nem[Laptop] > randabis: even wrote a complaint letter; got one back saying that the "standard browser" was IE
[07:34] <morgs> Nem[Laptop] : well, there's a banner at the top, I don't find it intrusive. Plus it hardly advertises anything other than opera itself, to me...
[07:35] <calamari> what's the command that tells me which libraries a program requires?
[07:35] <morgs> Dishwasher: firefox is not, like, written by one guy
[07:35] <bob2> Dishwasher: firefox is developed by hundreds of people
[07:35] <bob2> calamari: ldd and nm
[07:35] <Dishwasher> ya, but when it was first made
[07:35] <Dishwasher> it was made by a group
[07:35] <calamari> bob2: thank you
[07:35] <Dishwasher> and the leader was 19
[07:35] <bob2> calamari: ldd is simpler but can be misleading in some cases (I think)
[07:35] <whappd> Nem[Laptop] , i have the same problem at my university. effing portal hates firefox. i've complained numerous times, but nobody wants to change it, especially because all of our laptops come with IE and nothing else
[07:35] <randabis> morgs yes I understand that, and it's a good security feature...I just don't understand why one would want to disable it just because they don't want to type sudo su...it does the exact same thing as su
[07:35] <morgs> Dishwasher: and you are?
[07:35] <Dishwasher> and i am...
[07:36] <morgs> 19?
[07:36] <Dishwasher> anyone have any experience with wepcrack and how to teach???
[07:36] <morgs> 18?
[07:36] <Dishwasher> if not then just say so
[07:36] <morgs> Dishwasher: I'm sorry, not...
[07:36] <Dishwasher> ok
[07:36] <Dishwasher> ty morgs
[07:36] <whappd> No, Dishwasher, at this point, I seriously doubt anyone does or they wouldve spoken up
[07:36] <Dishwasher> you bob2?
[07:36] <Dishwasher> gotcha
[07:36] <Dishwasher> point taken
[07:36] <Dishwasher> thanks anyway guys
[07:36] <calamari> bob2: you mean like ldd listing two things and nm saying "no symbols"? :)
[07:38] <bob2> calamari: well, you need 'nm -D' or so
[07:38] <morgs> Dishwasher: if you need assistance with installing or using Ubuntu Linux, you're in the right place.
[07:38] <Dishwasher> who's orgs?
[07:38] <Dishwasher> 0h
[07:38] <Dishwasher> nvm
[07:38] <Dishwasher> ive already install ubuntu
[07:38] <Dishwasher> and am having a blast
[07:39] <Dishwasher> i was just venting my frustration in the wrong room
[07:39] <Dishwasher> and i apologize
[07:39] <Dishwasher> Oh wait!!!! I do have a dang question.
[07:40] <snowblink> does anyone use mutt against an IMAP server?
[07:40] <samiam> does anyone have an idea how to set the default terminal width for gnome-terminal?
[07:40] <Dishwasher> Printing is not too easy with this noob.  I've tried going to cups, but it says I've got no Administrative priveledges
[07:40] <randabis> I hope my bug report is clear enough
[07:40] <Dishwasher> and when i get printing to work, the printer keeps asking for A4 paper
[07:40] <whappd> randabis, link?
[07:40] <morgs> Dishwasher: what exactly did you try? I've got cups running... what printer?
[07:40] <randabis> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5852
[07:40] <Dishwasher> even when i set the paper type to letter
[07:41] <Dishwasher> an HP Laserjet 4 Plus
[07:41] <bob2> snowblink: I did until I found offlineimap.
[07:41] <Dishwasher> which already has drivers as far as i can ctell morgs
[07:41] <morgs> Dishwasher: yeah, should be no problem... How have you tried to set it up?
[07:41] <whappd> seems clear, randabis
[07:41] <Dishwasher> ok
[07:41] <MM2> how I can move app-panel? I moved ot to left side and it got HUGE. I want it back to up
[07:42] <bob2> MM2: middle click on it
[07:42] <Dishwasher> went to computer->system config->printing
[07:42] <bob2> and drage
[07:42] <Dishwasher> then clicked add printer
[07:42] <MM2> bob2: won't help
[07:42] <morgs> Dishwasher: administrative privileges should be handled ok if you launch things from the menus
[07:42] <bob2> "won't" or "doesn't"?
[07:42] <Dishwasher> well, i tried that
[07:42] <MM2> bob2: scroll click doesn't help, pressing both buttons won't help
[07:42] <Dishwasher> but the printer kept spitting out that it needed paper type A4
[07:42] <Dishwasher> and i changed everything to letter
[07:42] <Dishwasher> i dun get it????
[07:42] <snowblink> bob2: looks interesting
[07:43] <Dishwasher> then i tried going to cups, but it spit out that i needed administrative priviledges
[07:43] <morgs> Dishwasher: hmm. I must admit I'm in South Africa and we use A4 by default... All my life I'm changing letter to A4, but I'll have a quick look and see if I can suggest anything.
[07:43] <Dishwasher> lol
[07:43] <Dishwasher> awesome
[07:43] <Dishwasher> thanks man
[07:43] <morgs> Dishwasher: "going to cups"? Do you mean running something on the command line?
[07:44] <Dishwasher> no
[07:44] <Dishwasher> i went to browser
[07:44] <Dishwasher> which is firefox
[07:44] <Dishwasher> and typed in http://127.0.0.1/9053 i think....
[07:44] <MM2> other advices? I want this: http://www.edu.haapavesi.fi/~moversti/Screenshot.png away
[07:44] <randabis> whappd thanks, this bug sucks :(
[07:44] <whappd> randabis, i can imagine.
[07:45] <Dishwasher> i have another question
[07:45] <morgs> Dishwasher: hmm. I haven't done that before...
[07:45] <Dishwasher> why wont apt-get remove kde remove it all?
[07:45] <linux-rulz> hey, alright, i got all my samba config files back, i have everything set up right, but now i need to know how to set up printing, does anyone know how to do this?
[07:45] <Dishwasher> when apt-get install kde gets all kde stuff
[07:45] <da_bon_bon> anyone here has tried rock linux ?
[07:45] <Dishwasher> anyone found out a quick way to add files to apps list?
[07:45] <Dishwasher> instead of creating dang launchers for it all?
[07:45] <Dishwasher> as you could tell, im still newbie
[07:45] <linux-rulz> DishWasher: nautilus applications:///
[07:45] <Dishwasher> who's typing is on crack
[07:46] <Dishwasher> so please excuse me
[07:46] <Dishwasher> i got that
[07:46] <Dishwasher> i throw that on command line and it brings up apps
[07:46] <bob2> da_bon_bon: try #rocklinux
[07:46] <Dishwasher> or go to home and hit cntrl+l which brings up location
[07:46] <Dishwasher> in which i can type applications:///
[07:46] <samiam> is everyone content with the default size of gnome-terminal?
[07:46] <da_bon_bon> bob2: i want someones personal experience...
[07:46] <Dishwasher> and it brings it up
[07:46] <linux-rulz> i think that is the only way u can do it right now
[07:46] <Dishwasher> k
[07:46] <bob2> da_bon_bon: and I'm sure you'll find users of it there
[07:46] <da_bon_bon> bob2: its a graveyard.
[07:46] <Dishwasher> well, does anyone know all packages install with keedu?
[07:47] <morgs> Dishwasher: on apt... the way it basically works is when you install something, it will install all the dependencies.
[07:47] <Dishwasher> or does anyone know how to monitor that/
[07:47] <bob2> da_bon_bon: guess it means not many people do ;)
[07:47] <Dishwasher> /var/log/messages?
[07:47] <whappd> Just out of curiousity, what other distros have you all used, and what makes you like ubuntu better?
[07:47] <bob2> Dishwasher: use aptitude in future
[07:47] <Dishwasher> aptitude?
[07:47] <Dishwasher> nother file manager?
[07:47] <morgs> Dishwasher: so kde depends on kde-lib-whatever etc.
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> bob2: rgiht you are :)
[07:47] <bob2> Dishwasher: for now you can use deborphan to see what you can remove
[07:47] <snowblink> bob2: hah! I just reached the end of the page and it says it can't create mailboxes, which is the problem I was having. :)
[07:47] <Dishwasher> hmmm
[07:47] <Dishwasher> any man page for that/
[07:47] <Dishwasher> ive been sucking those up lately
[07:47] <Dishwasher> they rock
[07:47] <bob2> Dishwasher: aptitude is a package manager
[07:47] <morgs> Dishwasher: if you use Synaptic package manager, it should show you in a tab at the bottom which packages the current one depends on.
[07:47] <Dishwasher> nooOOOOO!
[07:47] <Dishwasher> i dont want to use gui
[07:47] <linux-rulz> whappd: clean interface, fast install, debian based, uses gnome things for administering system (god i hate yast/mandrake control center), numerous other things
[07:47] <Dishwasher> thats why i switched to linux last week
[07:48] <Dishwasher> command line baby....command line...
[07:48] <Dishwasher> gets all the ladies let me tell you
[07:48] <morgs> Dishwasher: sudo dselect
[07:48] <Dishwasher> LOL
[07:48] <bob2> Dishwasher: um? aptitude is a command line tool.
[07:48] <Dishwasher> well i didnt know
[07:48] <Nem[Laptop] > aptitude is just like apt-get, just smarter
[07:48] <Dishwasher> im still new
[07:48] <Dishwasher> lol
[07:48] <Dishwasher> cool
[07:48] <Dishwasher> illl try it out
[07:48] <Dishwasher> thanks for the tip
[07:48] <julio> i hate YAST
[07:48] <Dishwasher> now any ideas on my printing prob?
[07:48] <whappd> linux-rulz, i agree, i hate yast
[07:48] <Dishwasher> thats all i need to do is learn how to pringt
[07:49] <Dishwasher> o whappd?  on your ? earlier bout ppl using ubuntu, this is my first distro
[07:49] <Dishwasher> so thats why im using it
[07:49] <Dishwasher> i think its prety cool
[07:49] <Nem[Laptop] > Dishwasher: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/lp/0
[07:49] <whappd> cool.
[07:49] <Dishwasher> i wish i could use kde environ but it messes my sound
[07:49] <Dishwasher> and ive found a workaround
[07:49] <bob2> Nem[Laptop] : bah.
[07:49] <Dishwasher> but its a pain....
[07:49] <Nem[Laptop] > bob2: i couldnt help it
[07:50] <Dishwasher> you have to tweak your sound perfect for it to work in gnome
[07:50] <Nem[Laptop] > Dishwasher: don't do that; im just messin with ya
[07:50] <Dishwasher> but when you login to kde it goes boink again
[07:50] <whappd> i'm just evaluating ubuntu right now. i've been using Gentoo on my personal machine for more than a year, and I use Red Hat at work.
[07:50] <Dishwasher> i didnt
[07:50] <Dishwasher> i dont run commands unless i read man pages
[07:50] <Dishwasher> sorry
[07:50] <whappd> i despise Red Hat
[07:50] <Dishwasher> im not total choob
[07:50] <morgs> Dishwasher: Only thing I can suggest on the printing is to go to the printers under admin, and go to properties for the printer you've installed, and select paper size there. If it doesn't stay the way it is, there could be a bug...
[07:50] <Dishwasher> ok
[07:50] <MM2> woot, I moved panel: log out, login and move panels before applets starts on them...
[07:50] <Dishwasher> ty for info
[07:51] <Dishwasher> how do i go to cups http interface as admin though?
[07:51] <Dishwasher> thats what im trying to figure out?
[07:51] <jocco_> anyone here running ATI drivers with warty and AMD64 bit? I am goint to try installing drivers manualy... was hopeing for some pointers...
[07:51] <morgs> Dishwasher: sorry, never done that myself
[07:52] <Dishwasher> oh i did get my warless to work under linux, and it's supposedly not supported
[07:52] <Dishwasher> thats fine morgs
[07:52] <Dishwasher> ty anyway
[07:52] <Dishwasher> as far as warless goes, through down on soma dat ndiswrapper
[07:52] <Dishwasher> pretty sweet stuff man
[07:52] <Dishwasher> i went awol on it
[07:52] <Dishwasher> this linux stuff isnt so bad
[07:52] <Dishwasher> its quite fun though
[07:53] <zenrox> Dishwasher,  i agree
[07:53] <Dishwasher> lol!! and the only thing i havent figured out is wepcrack
[07:53] <Dishwasher> well thanks zenrox
[07:53] <morgs> Dishwasher: ndiswrapper is a temporary solution though for Linux in general - the bad thing about it is that the hardware vendors aren't pressurised into releasing proper Linux drivers under a Free license...
[07:53] <zenrox> i saw it as a chalange i have conckered
, I use linux as hobie... makes useing computer interesting...
[07:53] <Dishwasher> gotcha morgs
[07:53] <Dishwasher> good point
[07:53] <Dishwasher> deff
[07:53] <morgs> but it does work...
[07:53] <Dishwasher> now how are you guys hittin me up in red text
[07:53] <Dishwasher> guess i better go figure this irc stuff out
[07:53] <Dishwasher> def morgs
[07:53] <zenrox> we are saying your nick
[07:53] <Dishwasher> im running on my warless right now
[07:53] <zenrox> Dishwasher,
[07:54] <Dishwasher> zenrox, hey
[07:54] <Dishwasher> hmmm...
[07:54] <Dishwasher> zenrox
[07:54] <morgs> Dishwasher Dishwasher Dishwasher Dishwasher
[07:54] <morgs> Red?
[07:54] <zenrox> lol
 when your name is mentioned your chat client hilights it for you
[07:54] <zenrox> thats how his color is set up
[07:54] <Dishwasher> oh
[07:54] <zenrox> on mine it does yellow
 woot
[07:54] <Dishwasher> i see
[07:54] <Dishwasher> cool
[07:54] <zenrox> lol
[07:54] <Dishwasher> thats pretty sweet
[07:54] <zenrox> lol yep
[07:54] <Dishwasher> i told you i was a dang noob
[07:54] <Dishwasher> lol
[07:54] <Dishwasher> here's one
[07:54] <Dishwasher> *.* i luv you
[07:54] <zenrox> Dishwasher,  go to #ubuntuforums
[07:55] <zenrox> i want to show you something
[07:55] <Dishwasher> k
[07:55] <snowblink> morgs: just buy vendors who do support
[07:55] <morgs> snowblink: yes - unless you get a laptop with built-in wifi... not much choice there if you want a particular laptop for all the other features...
[07:57] <Surphaze> there any special tool for managing startup services in ubuntu? or should I just kill the symlinks in /etc/rc*.d manually?
[08:00] <Pointy> bob2: I'm on AMD64 - ATI Drivers are only available in Hoary
[08:00] <bob2> ok!
[08:00] <Pointy> bob2: That's why they weren't showing up
[08:00] <bob2> I don't htink ati released them until last week
[08:00] <pablo928> Are there any comments as to suitability of Ubuntu for a Linux newby?
[08:00] <Pointy> bob2: ah - that makes sense
[08:01] <mjr> pablo928, it's meant to be suitable, and succeeds relatively well
[08:02] <pablo928> I loaded it the other day, but had problems with webpages loading very slowly (several minutes). Reloadede Windows and am now using Live CD.
[08:04] <paulproteus> pablo928: You probably ran into the IPv6 issue.
[08:04] <pablo928> I'm not familiar with that.
[08:05] <da_bon_bon> is there any good program for scratched cd recovery.
[08:05] <bob2> audio cd?
[08:05] <bob2> cdparanoia.
[08:05] <TongMaster> Mr Sheen and cloth.
[08:05] <paulproteus> Some DNS servers are buggy and don't operate well with Ubuntu's IPv6 support.
[08:05] <paulproteus> You can disable it, and then web pages load faster.
[08:05] <paulproteus> If you have a buggy DNS server.  My DSL router is like this.
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> bob2: no, actualyl a data dvd
[08:06] <pablo928> Could be a router problem then?
[08:06] <_4strO> where can i put DNS nameserver ?
[08:06] <_4strO> except /etc/resolv.conf
[08:06] <paulproteus> _4strO: /etc/resolv.conf or the network settings applet in GNOME.
[08:06] <_4strO> =)
[08:06] <paulproteus> pablo928: Right.  And you can disable Ubuntu's IPv6 support if you need to be more compatible with the router.
[08:07] <_4strO> because when i reboot, ubuntu clean my /etc/resolv.conf :/
[08:07] <pablo928> Where do I disable it?
[08:08] <pablo928> I' VERY new to Ubuntu.
[08:08] <paulproteus> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6841.html , pablo928
[08:08] <bob2> _4strO: it sounds like you configured it to use dhcp
[08:08] <_4strO> yes
[08:09] <paulproteus> _4strO: Check out /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf .
[08:09] <_4strO> but i want to keep my dns namserver
[08:09] <bob2> _4strO: then why are you manually setting dhcp servers?
[08:09] <paulproteus> You can add this:
[08:09] <paulproteus> prepend domain-name-servers 128.151.2.1;
[08:09] <pablo928> Thanx, I'll try your suggestion.
[08:09] <paulproteus> And then remove "domain-name-servers" from the request line.
[08:10] <_4strO> will try too paulproteus
[08:10] <_4strO> :)
[08:10] <paulproteus> De rien. :)
[08:10] <_4strO> lool
[08:10] <_4strO> french ?
[08:11] <calamari> how do I read the docs in /usr/share/doc ?
[08:11] <paulproteus> calamari: In a file manager, navigate there.
[08:11] <_4strO> gedit ?
[08:11] <paulproteus> _4strO: Je parle francais, mais je n'ai pas de clavier avec les accents.
[08:12] <_4strO> oki :)
[08:12] <paulproteus> _4strO: Je l'etudie a l'universite.  Vous pouvez utiliser gedit, mais il est essential que vous l'editiez comme "root".
[08:12] <calamari> ok, thanks :)
[08:12] <paulproteus> I'd use "sudo nano".
[08:12] <snowblink> calamari: less
[08:12] <_4strO> =)
[08:13] <_4strO> i have to go to work :/
[08:13] <_4strO> thx all
[08:13] <paulproteus> Sure thing.
[08:14] <_4strO> nice french paulproteus ;)
[08:14] <_4strO> hope my english too :p
[08:14] <paulproteus> Your English is fine, if a little more "net English" than I'd like. :)
[08:15] <_4strO> lol
[08:15] <RuffianSoldier> I have been away from the Linux community for a bit - wtf is Array CD 3?
[08:15] <bob2> hoary test cd 3
[08:15] <RuffianSoldier> id
[08:15] <RuffianSoldier> if
[08:15] <RuffianSoldier> ic
[08:15] <RuffianSoldier> **
[08:16] <RuffianSoldier> im running hoary
[08:16] <RuffianSoldier> already :)
[08:18] <RuffianSoldier> how are you bob2?
[08:25] <randabis> the openoffice.org2 packages are broken...specifically openoffice.org2-debian-files
[08:27] <daniels> randabis: in what way?
[08:27] <randabis> daniels I'll post the errors in pastebin okay?
[08:28] <bitfoo> hello :O
[08:28] <randabis> daniels http://www.pastebin.com/233164
[08:29] <randabis> nfs is also broken, I've already filed a bug on it
[08:29] <bitfoo> i want to uninstall evolution and use thunderbird instead, if i choose to uninstall it from synaptics completely it says it will also uninstall ubuntu-desktop.  is this bad?
[08:29] <randabis> no that's just a meta-package
[08:29] <randabis> no harm done
[08:30] <bitfoo> ok cool
[08:31] <bitfoo> can i uninstall all the other evolution stuff to, like data server and exchange or is that required :|
[08:31] <TFM> does any one knows here how to use the accumulate algorithm in C++
[08:33] <randabis> bitfoo do NOT uninstall those
[08:33] <trey3> TFM, perhaps you may want to check out #c++ instead?
[08:33] <bitfoo> o
[08:33] <TFM> ok thanks
[08:34] <trey3> randabis, why? he will lose some functionality... but they are not required...
[08:34] <snowblink> Is pine in warty?
[08:34] <calamari> are there any glib substitutes where a binary compiled for glib can use the smaller substitute?
[08:34] <trey3> (things as important as integration with calendar, and gaim -> evolution contact sharing)  Not a huge deal...
[08:35] <bitfoo> oh hmm calendar...i hadn't thought of that
[08:35] <jocco_> can we let firefox install plugins, or must we apt-get them? like shockwave, and flash? TIA
[08:35] <bitfoo> sunbird is pretty weak :/
[08:35] <jdub> calamari: glib or glibc?
[08:35] <calamari> sorry.. glibc :)
[08:35] <jdub> calamari: diet-libc, ulibc, etc.
[08:36] <jdub> klibc
[08:36] <daniels> randabis: you probably want to file a bug on oo.o-d-f if you haven't already
[08:36] <calamari> jdub: are you sure?  dietlibc sure looked like I'd have to recompile my apps
[08:36] <jdub> calamari: oh, binary drop-in - wildly unlikely to be useful or work :)
[08:37] <calamari> jdub: I'm still trying to make an Ubuntu boot disk.. losing hope though
[08:37] <jdub> calamari: talk to kamion when he's around
[08:37] <jdub> you won't really need to do that
[08:38] <jdub> you'd just have to remove a bunch of the udebs you don't care about
[08:38] <randabis> daniels okay, will do
[08:38] <calamari> I can compile things, etc.. no problem.. but that's not going to work on a Howto wiki page :)
[08:44] <randabis> I can't seem to file the report
[08:45] <randabis> I think it is because openoffice.org2 is not in the database
[08:45] <randabis> should I just file it under openoffice.org?
[08:47] <randabis> bug filed
[08:47] <randabis> I used UNKNOWN for now
[08:48] <randabis> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5853
[08:49] <neighborlee> imhaving the same X cpu useage issues as before I reinstalled today..everything was in the 0-3 range ...then I started evolution ..cancelled email pull then went to try again and I got error about cant' get POP summary: operation in progress..and now my X cpu useage is back again to 7-10%....is this known issue and what am I suppose to kill to stop this..also evo no longer works on fresh reboot and gives me that same error ??? ;-))thx
[08:49] <neighborlee>  anyone <<<
[08:52] <jcoxon77> hi everyone
[08:55] <randabis> nugs suck :/
[08:55] <randabis> bugs even
[09:02] <bitfoo> is there anyway to speed ubuntu up :|
[09:02] <bitfoo> it loads slower than windows xp did :(
[09:04] <neighborlee> bitfoo, wish I knew..it loads aLOT slower than XP ;-)
[09:05] <neighborlee> bitfoo, I dont think much about it though but yeah it would be nice...shrug
[09:05] <ficusplanet> Have there been any entries in the Website look and feel contest yet?  Are they available anywhere?
[09:06] <jdub> the submissions so far will be on the wiki tonight
[09:07] <ficusplanet> jdub, Awesome, thanks.
[09:07] <jdub> and reminder that people should submit :)
[09:07] <ficusplanet> jdub, Has there been a sizable response?  The deadline is the 31st, right?
[09:08] <randabis> bitfoo do you mean booting?
[09:08] <bitfoo> booting and everything
[09:08] <bitfoo> i just did hdparm its only 36mb :|
[09:08] <jdub> ficusplanet: not a huge response (surprising, the website looks like monkey butt!), yes to the 31st
[09:09] <randabis> it boots slower than xp, there's not much else than can be done about that...the team has already optimized the boot process immensely (ubuntu is one of the fastest booting distros)
[09:09] <jdub> bitfoo: hoary will be much improved in that respect
[09:10] <ficusplanet> jdub, I might still make an entry.  I'm going to look into plone this weekend and such.  I've been planning on making a couple of ubuntu-related sites for a while, but was too swamped with classes.
[09:10] <bitfoo> nah its hd
[09:10] <bitfoo> no way it should only read 100mb  at 36mb/s
[09:10] <randabis> I've filed 3 bugs today heh
[09:10] <randabis> bitfoo 36MB/s isn't that bad actually
[09:11] <bitfoo> for 7200rpm ?
[09:11] <daniels> yes, it's pretty decent
[09:11] <daniels> all things considered, you're doing pretty well
[09:12] <daniels> thanks to the universe being random, the files you want to access will not be in a nice order
[09:12] <daniels> so your drive has to read a tiny bit, then seek to the other half of the disk, then read another bit, then fo back to where it was, etc, etc
[09:12] <bitfoo> well im saying my hd tests in xp were faster :/
[09:13] <randabis> I'm getting 37.77MB/s on my primary drive, 46.29MB/s on my secondary
[09:13] <randabis> how much faster?
[09:13] <bitfoo> near 80
[09:14] <bitfoo> got a gig of ram too if that matters
[09:15] <bitfoo> its probably the ati huh :|
[09:18] <ficusplanet> jdub, Is it legal to use the default GNOME icons for the ubuntu.com site?  Should I use the incomplete human icon theme instead?
[09:18] <jdub> we can ask permission to
[09:18] <jdub> and can always switch around later ;)
[09:18] <ficusplanet> jdub, OK.  Excellent.
[09:23] <ficusplanet> jdub, This is my first time looking at the plone docs, but it mentions that you can use a static page that isn't controlled by plone.  Would something like this be plausible/acceptable to make the home page look a little nicer?
[09:23] <jdub> ficusplanet: nup ;)
[09:28] <ficusplanet> jdub, nup is a negative, right?
[09:29] <jdub> ficusplanet: nup == no :)
[09:30] <ficusplanet> jdub, just making sure ;)
[09:30] <neighborlee> darn...hey everyone how on earth do I find out what is causing 'X' to maintain a average of about 10% cpu usage..Ithink its tied to some component of evo but ps ax | grep evolution shows squat...any idears ? ;((
[09:37] <elyseum> hi peeps
[09:52] <pablo928> paulproteus: not really sure how to set up Ubuntu to correct my web loading problem, but you were right, NO problem without router.
[09:53] <haggai> randabis: thanks for the report about oo2, making a fix now
[10:00] <randabis> haggai no problem :)
[10:00] <randabis> I just hope my other bugs get fixed too. :p
[10:00] <geoff__> anyone here familiar with wine?
[10:01] <randabis> Fabio and I seem to be getting to the bottom of my nfs problems...but I still can't get it going yet
[10:03] <spacey`ki> is oo2 in hoary now? last week when i read the announcement it still wasnt in therepository
[10:04] <randabis> yes
[10:04] <randabis> it is being fixed though
[10:04] <randabis> I reported a bug about it and haggai is now fixing the problem
[10:04] <spacey`ki> i still can't install it
[10:04] <spacey`ki> openoffice.org2-common:
[10:04] <spacey`ki>  Depends: openoffice.org2-core (>1.9.64) but it is not installable
[10:05] <randabis> have you done an apt-get update?
[10:05] <spacey`ki> yeah
[10:05] <randabis> you probably can't install it because the package is being fixed
[10:05] <randabis> there is a problem in openoffice.org2-debian-files that breaks the installation
[10:05] <spacey`ki> well or amd64 port is lagging behind again
[10:06] <spacey`ki> ah ok
[10:06] <randabis> ah that could be it as well
[10:06] <spacey`ki> well i can wait another day:)
[10:06] <spacey`ki> or two or three:)
[10:06] <spacey`ki> i hope oo.o2 is much better dan oo.o1 in on amd64
[10:06] <spacey`ki> oo.o1 is total crap, no AA etc.
[10:07] <haggai> randabis: I didn't spot it because it works if -debian-files from oo1 is installed
[10:07] <spacey`ki> probably because oo.o is one of the few apps that still only works in 32bit
[10:07] <randabis> haggai ah! that would make a difference hehe
[10:08] <randabis> I don't have any of oo.g 1 installed
[10:08] <randabis> oo1 even
[10:09] <haggai> randabis: I know :)  That's why you saw the problem and I didn't
[10:10] <randabis> glad I was of assistance :)
[10:10] <haggai> randabis: I just uploaded a fixed package
[10:10] <randabis> great :)
[10:10] <randabis> I'll be sure to test it in a minute, I know it takes a few minutes for the packages.gz to update
[10:21] <wezzer-> hello
[10:31] <SePpiK> hello, I have any problems with my soundchip. Where can I configure my modules?
[10:34] <agwibowo> hello
[10:35] <bebek> i have problem with my ati video card.....
[10:35] <bebek> the DRI doesn't work...
[10:36] <bebek> it's a Radeon X300 card...
[10:36] <bebek> what should i do?
[10:36] <i386> bebek, ok
[10:36] <SePpiK> Is anybody here, who knows to configure the module.
[10:36] <i386> first you get a tub of silly putty
[10:36] <i386> and cover the card in it
[10:36] <bebek> ?????????
[10:36] <i386> then submerge in water for 1 to 2 hours
[10:36] <i386> then plug it in
[10:36] <bebek> that's very clever
[10:37] <randabis> rinse and repeat
[10:37] <i386> OR YOU COULD RTFM
[10:37] <bebek> i did
[10:37] <bebek> the driver from ubuntu repository doesn't work with X300
[10:37] <randabis> what manual?
[10:37] <bebek> so i downloaded the ATI driver, and run dpkg -i on it..
[10:38] <bebek> now if i used "fglrx" as the driver, X will load (the one from ubuntu repository won't allow me to load X)
[10:38] <bebek> but, the FPS is still too low..
[10:38] <randabis> what is the fps?
[10:38] <bebek> looking at the /var/log/XFree86.0.log  shows that the Acceleration is enabled, but Direct rendering is disabled.. now I don't know what to do
[10:38] <bebek> frame per second
[10:39] <randabis> I know what fps is
[10:39] <randabis> I said THE
[10:39] <bebek> oh sorry
[10:39] <randabis> np
[10:39] <bebek> around 832
[10:39] <bebek> far too low
[10:39] <bebek> the 3d screen saver is still jerky
[10:39] <randabis> ok
[10:40] <randabis> post your xfree86 config at http://www.pastebin.com
[10:40] <bebek> ok... wait on a min
[10:41] <randabis> where did you get the driver btw?
[10:41] <bebek> www.ati.com
[10:41] <randabis> they provide rpms...did you use alien on them or something?
[10:41] <bebek> yes
[10:41] <randabis> ah okay
[10:41] <bebek> i did alien to convert to deb
[10:41] <bebek> than did dpkg -i --force-all <blabla.deb>
[10:42] <randabis> hopefully that's okay...
[10:42] <bebek> so far it's ok...
[10:42] <bebek> :P
[10:42] <randabis> otherwise you just broke a bunch of stuff with -force-all...we'll assume that that's not the problem though
[10:43] <randabis> I have a feeling it's your x config
[10:43] <bebek> ok... it's there now
[10:44] <larsg> hi. I have a little problem. I need to burn a AVI-file to a CD, but it's too big (704)... I've tried Avidemux and cut off the last min, but it mess up the audio/video sync. Any propolsals?
[10:45] <bebek> randabis: have you found it?
[10:45] <knghtbrd> ahh Nautilus, the most stable file manager in the world
[10:47] <randabis> bebek I don't see anything wrong with your config
[10:47] <bebek> hmmm
[10:47] <randabis> I have an idea though
[10:48] <randabis> do you still have the driver from the ubuntu repository installed? if so, completely remove it
[10:48] <bebek> i did
[10:48] <bebek> i did      dpkg -r fglrx-driver
[10:48] <bebek> otherwise i can't install the one from ATI
[10:48] <randabis> okay...
[10:49] <bebek> the force flag was because there was a conflict with libGL something somethign from package xlibMesa (if i'm not mistaken)
[10:49] <randabis> I'm afraid this is beyond my expertise
[10:49] <bebek> ok...
[10:50] <bebek> thx anyway....
[10:50] <randabis> I think the ati's new drivers are written for X.org, so that could be related to your problem. I don't run ati hardware so I can't verify
[10:50] <bebek> looking at the var log for Xfree, it says that the kernel module does not match with the driver..
[10:51] <randabis> ah
[10:51] <randabis> that's because of restricted modules
[10:51] <bebek> "incompatible kernel module detected - HW accelerated OpenGL will not work"
[10:51] <bebek> ok... how to solve it???
[10:51] <randabis> I don't know :/
[10:51] <bebek> ok....
[10:51] <bebek> hmmm
[10:52] <randabis> I just know that's why you're getting that error
[10:52] <randabis> should have thought of that earlier
[10:52] <PWM> ehm, is there a way to manage when for instance my harddrive should shut down when my laptop is running on the battery? I've searched for it but I can't find anything :) I use ubuntu warty
[10:52] <randabis> daniels might be able to help you
[10:52] <bebek> what's meant by "restricted modules" and how does that affect in my case?
[10:52] <bebek> hahaha spoke to him last time
[10:52] <bebek> long long time ago
[10:52] <randabis> daniels would be able to explain it to you better than I can
[10:53] <bebek> ok...
[10:53] <bebek> he told me to upgrade to hoary.. he said that it's fixed in hoary...
[10:53] <bebek> but i'm a bit scared to upgrade to hoary yet
[10:53] <bebek> it's not stable yet, isn't it?
[10:54] <elbi> any way to compile the php imap module manually?
[10:56] <ironwolf> bebek: hoary isn't released as stable yet, but many are using it with no difficulty.
[10:57] <bebek> is it hard to upgrade it?
[10:57] <ironwolf> bebek: no
[10:57] <bebek> considering warty is using xfree & hoary is using xorg
[10:57] <bebek> how to upgrade it?
[10:57] <bebek> could you tell me?
[10:57] <bebek> change the /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:58] <ironwolf> bebek: change everything in /etc/apt/sources.list from warty to hoary
[10:58] <bebek> ok....
[10:58] <bebek> hmm a bit scared.. but i'll try
[10:58] <ironwolf> bebek: apt-get update ; apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[10:58] <ironwolf> bebek: eat meal, come back, reboot
[10:58] <ironwolf> :)
[10:59] <bebek> when is hoary released?
[10:59] <ironwolf> bebek: May 1st? something around then.
[10:59] <bebek> ic
[10:59] <ironwolf> bebek: I use it.  It works for me.
[11:00] <bebek> what about the warty-security
[11:00] <bebek> change to hoary-security?
[11:00] <ironwolf> yes
[11:00] <ironwolf> change all references of warty to hoary
[11:00] <bebek> ok...
[11:01] <ironwolf> OOo question for anyone.  How do I fix auto-pilot for letter in ubuntu/hoary?
[11:02] <bebek> umm.. no idea... don't even know what "auto-pilot" is
[11:02] <ironwolf> bebek: auto-pilot, in OpenOffice.org is something that can setup letterhead *among other things* for you.
[11:02] <bebek> ohh...
[11:03] <bebek> ic...
[11:03] <bebek> hmm
[11:03] <ironwolf> haggai? you around?
[11:03] <bebek> sorry.. can't help.. no idea..
[11:03] <bebek> leaving now... let ubuntu reborn itself to hoary
[11:03] <bebek> ehhee
[11:03] <bebek> bye bye everyone, thx for the help
[11:03] <ironwolf> bebek: it's ok... I'm hoping haggai is around.
[11:03] <ironwolf> bebek: your welcome.. good luck!
[11:03] <bebek> thx
[11:04] <Sav> Is it possible to move the channellist to the left side cause now its attached to the bottom. using X.Chat
[11:06] <Quarupt> Hi
[11:07] <paranora> hello
[11:07] <haggai> ironwolf: the auto pilots are a big problem because they need OOo to be built with java, but I can't because of the restrictive licensing
[11:07] <Quarupt> I just installed Ubuntu and X never worked from the start?
[11:07] <ironwolf> sav: no clue... good question though.
[11:07] <Quarupt> just black screen?
[11:07] <Quarupt> had to reboot to get a console
[11:08] <Sav> Quarupt, i had the same problem. what computer?
[11:08] <ironwolf> haggai: thanks for proving I'm not crazy. :)  Is there a way to install it with Java?  In universe or compile it manually?
[11:08] <Quarupt> how do i reconfigure my x server?
[11:08] <haggai> ironwolf: you could try installing the pkg we built for Debian, I haven't tested it on ubuntu: http://people.debian.org/~rene/openoffice.org/1.1.3/openoffice.org-java_1.1.3-1_i386.deb
[11:08] <Quarupt> hrm..
[11:08] <ironwolf> Quarupt: dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-server
[11:08] <Quarupt> okay
[11:09] <Quarupt> is that what you did to fix prob ironwolf?
[11:09] <haggai> ironwolf: you can compile with Java support by setting DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=/path/to/your/jdk when building the package
[11:09] <ironwolf> quarupt: which problem? :)
[11:09] <marceta> hey guys
[11:09] <Quarupt> its a HP motherboard the rest is all stuff i bought
[11:09] <haggai> ironwolf: and you need a sun JDK
[11:09] <Quarupt> the black screen problem
[11:09] <Quarupt> sav did you ever fix the prob?
[11:10] <Sav> Quarupt, check your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and try change your vertiref and horisync
[11:10] <Sav> in the Monitor section
[11:10] <Quarupt> i dont have monitor manual anymore :(
[11:10] <Sav> Quarupt, monitor?
[11:10] <marceta> what are the .list;.jigdo and .template files in the download section
[11:10] <marceta> ?
[11:10] <Sav> TFT?
[11:10] <Quarupt> for the freq's
[11:10] <marceta> is the iso all i need?
[11:11] <ironwolf> haggai: so my choices are building it myself with a sun JDK, or trying the untested debian package?  What would you recommend I try first?
[11:11] <Quarupt> crt
[11:11] <marceta> or do i need these?
[11:11] <paranora> Quarupt: edit the file to choose 30-50 for horizontal and 50-100 for the vert. you will get 1024x768 with that.
[11:11] <Quarupt> man how will i remeber all this
[11:11] <Quarupt> i have only one box
[11:11] <paranora> Quarupt: take out a piece of paper now.
[11:11] <Quarupt> i guess i will try
[11:11] <paranora> Quarupt: and write it down :)
[11:11] <Sav> Quarupt, well i guess its a "sync out of range" problem. Just try lowering your h/vsync
[11:12] <haggai> ironwolf: the debian package, since that is much quicker
[11:12] <paranora> How do you boot directtly to command line in Ubuntu instead of GUI?
[11:12] <Quarupt> if it was a sync prob, wouldnt it kick me back to a console after a while?
[11:12] <marceta> do i just burn a bootable CD, or do i need the other files aswell?
[11:12] <paranora> no. it will keep on trying, Quarupt
[11:12] <Quarupt> oh
[11:12] <paranora> Quarupt: respawn is stupid that way.
[11:12] <Quarupt> howcome startx says its not a valid command?
[11:12] <PWM> I'm trying to find some powermanagement tool in ubuntu/gnome... synaptiv says "powermgmt-base" is installed, but I can't find the program anywhere... how can I do some powermanagement in ubuntu?
[11:13] <Quarupt> i just use init 5 to try my X?
[11:13] <Quarupt> cause startx says its not a command
[11:14] <Quarupt> ?
[11:14] <paranora> How do you boot directtly to command line in Ubuntu instead of GUI?
[11:14] <Quarupt> use option 2 in grub
[11:14] <randabis> haggi, has your package fix been uploaded and put on the server yet?
[11:14] <paranora> oh.
[11:14] <randabis> I'm still getting the errors from openoffice.org2
[11:14] <scizzo> :(
[11:14] <_vb_> hello... does anyone know how do I make ntop work on my ubuntu installation? when I launch it as root, it tries to change its user to 'nobody', but in fact I believe it should try to set itself as 'ntop', a user which has been added to the passwd file, and which owns the ntop dirs. does anyone know how to change the user it tries to run as?
[11:14] <ironwolf> haggai: thanks, I'll try that.
[11:14] <randabis> I did apt-get clean before trying
[11:15] <randabis> so it redownloaded the packages from the server (did apt-get update beforehand)
[11:15] <Quarupt> isnt there a script to walk me through x config?
[11:15] <paranora> Quarupt: dpkg --reconfigure will do that. it will ask you questions.
[11:15] <scizzo> Quarupt: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:15] <randabis> Quarupt dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:15] <Quarupt> okay cool
[11:16] <randabis> depends on your xserver
[11:16] <Quarupt> wow which one thats 3 different things
[11:16] <paranora> and howto startx?
[11:16] <scizzo> shrug....the batteri in my laptop is not recognized with the new stuff in hoary
[11:16] <scizzo> well..from doing the kernel upgrade and such today
[11:16] <paranora> Quarupt: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:17] <paranora> Quarupt: or  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 depends which you chose to install.
[11:17] <ironwolf> _vb_: chown nobody /var/lib/ntop
[11:17] <paranora> Quarupt: in any case, you'll have to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[11:17] <Quarupt> im so confused
[11:17] <Quarupt> what do i do first?
[11:17] <scizzo> Quarupt: what are you running?
[11:17] <crimsun> Quarupt: what did you install, Warty or Hoary?
[11:17] <Quarupt> warty
[11:17] <scizzo> Quarupt: that is are you using warty or hoary?
[11:17] <randabis> if you edit XF86Config-4, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 will no longer work
[11:17] <crimsun> Quarupt: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, then
[11:18] <scizzo> Quarupt: xfree86 then
[11:18] <Quarupt> all in one command?
[11:18] <paranora> scizzo: but he says "startx" does'nt work for him.
[11:18] <Quarupt> startx doesnt work for me either just init 5
[11:18] <_vb_> ironwolf: tried that, but i don't have nobody among my users... perhaps ubuntu doesn't use it?
[11:18] <randabis> Quarupt type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" without quotes in a terminal
[11:19] <Quarupt> okay
[11:19] <Quarupt> i will be back in 30 mins hopefully in Xchat
[11:19] <scizzo> Quarupt: is it a standard installation?
[11:19] <Quarupt> yes
[11:19] <randabis> password is your user password
[11:19] <paranora> Quarupt: seeya soon here
[11:19] <_vb_> anyway, in the meantime i've found that you can set the user through command line... ntop -u ntop, was easy. but still i'd like to find a way to change the default (or perhaps it is compiled in?)
[11:19] <scizzo> Quarupt: with gnome?
[11:19] <Quarupt> yea
[11:19] <Quarupt> i think
[11:19] <Quarupt> i just let it install
[11:19] <ironwolf> _vb_: ah.. now I understand
[11:19] <scizzo> Quarupt: then try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:20] <Quarupt> and it asked if it could download stuff
[11:20] <Quarupt> and i said okay
[11:20] <scizzo> Quarupt: when you have done the xfree86 config
[11:20] <Sav> Anyone got vlc for ubuntu? or there is no rel working?
[11:20] <Quarupt> wow one thing at a time
[11:20] <Quarupt> im getting confused again
[11:20] <randabis> there is a vlc for ubuntu in the universe repositories
[11:20] <Sav> ok
[11:20] <Quarupt> Im lost
[11:21] <Quarupt> Netsplit?
[11:21] <scizzo> Quarupt: 1. do the dpkg-reconfigure stuff
[11:21] <paranora> Quarupt: there's nothing to get confused about. you reconfigure the xserver-xfree86, then you restart the login manager, called gdm so you say /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:21] <scizzo> Quarupt: try running the sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart stuff
[11:21] <Quarupt> i dont seend to type sudo, do i im allready root?
[11:21] <Quarupt> need
[11:21] <paranora> no you do not. just type without sudo
[11:22] <Quarupt> okay so first do x config then restart login manager
[11:22] <Quarupt> thats all?
[11:22] <paranora> yes.
[11:22] <Quarupt> so what exactly will i type?
[11:22] <Quarupt> i will write it down
[11:22] <paranora> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:22] <paranora> then do the config.
[11:22] <gusto_> hmm
[11:22] <paranora> then /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:24] <Quarupt> none of this is case sensitive is it?
[11:24] <Ferry> hi anyone else having usb troubles with a current hoary install?
[11:24] <ironwolf> haggai: that link to the OOo package for debian isn't valid.
[11:24] <tux_> having perlmagick problems, anyone messed with it before ?
[11:24] <ironwolf> Ferry: hi! no.
[11:24] <Quarupt> Okay i will be back
[11:24] <Quarupt> thx allot for the help guys
[11:24] <ironwolf> Quarupt: Good Luck!
[11:24] <_vb_> thanks anyway
[11:24] <paranora> Quarupt: seeya soon. and get back here.
[11:25] <Ferry> everything stopped working after i upgraded to hoary. My usb mouse, my usb memory stick
[11:26] <ironwolf> Ferry: can you be more specific about errors your seeing?
[11:27] <ergo> hello all
[11:27] <scizzo> cool msg I get from acpi
[11:27] <Ferry> usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2
[11:27] <Ferry> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: Unlink after no-IRQ?  Different ACPI or APIC settings may help.
[11:27] <Ferry> usb 1-2: khubd timed out on ep0in
[11:27] <Ferry> think something changed acpi related
[11:27] <ergo> hey I need help with my disk
[11:27] <paranora> how to boot to console instead of GUI? remove all the display managers? like update-rc.d -f gdm remove?
[11:28] <crimsun> paranora: sudo mv /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/init.d/gdm_backup
[11:28] <paranora> crimsun: oh ok :/ that too.
[11:28] <paranora> hehe
[11:29] <scizzo> hmmm..If I find a problem with the acpi packages.....where should I report this?
[11:29] <randabis> bugzilla
[11:29] <ironwolf> scizzo: bugzilla
[11:29] <crimsun> scizzo: kernelspace? the linux-image one
[11:29] <scizzo> bugzilla on ubuntu or to the debian package maintainer?
[11:30] <crimsun> scizzo: ubuntu kernel => ubuntu's bugzilla
[11:30] <ergo> I have installed ubuntu linux on my PC and after the instalation when it tries to run I get: Buffeer I/O error.. what the hell is that??
[11:30] <scizzo> randabis: so ...sherlock...didn't know that.. ;)
[11:30] <ergo> :(
[11:30] <Ferry> scizzo what is your prob with acpi
[11:30] <scizzo> ACPI-1138: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT0._BST]  (Node dfb6d440), AE_AML_NO_OPERAND
[11:30] <Ferry> im getting the sam errors
[11:31] <Ferry> all over the place
[11:31] <scizzo> and I know it is from the upgrade from yesterday til today
[11:31] <Ferry> and usb stopped working :)
[11:31] <Ferry> yeah
[11:31] <scizzo> Ferry: downgrade then
[11:31] <Ferry> what package?
[11:33] <scizzo> don't really know fo sure...it could be either acpi or the kernel
[11:33] <scizzo> both of them are upgraded
[11:33] <Quarupt> After i typed dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  it just did it and gave me a prompt didnt ask anything?
[11:34] <Quarupt> then i restarted the gdm and it went to a black screen?
[11:34] <Quarupt> again?
[11:34] <Quarupt> shouldnt it have asked me questions?
[11:34] <Quarupt> hi zeeble
[11:34] <zeeble> Quarupt: hello.
[11:35] <zeeble> Press Ctrl+Alt+F4
[11:35] <Quarupt> oh man paranoia left
[11:35] <zeeble> goto a console
[11:35] <Quarupt> i tried i cant get a concole remeber i told you
[11:35] <Quarupt> i tried ctr-alt- F1 - F9 and BKspce
[11:35] <zeeble> that will restart gdm all over again.
[11:35] <Quarupt> it doesnt respond
[11:36] <Quarupt> it doesnt respond
[11:36] <Quarupt> lol
[11:36] <zeeble> and put you back to the black screen
[11:36] <Quarupt> it just stays there no activity on the tower LED
[11:36] <Quarupt> i need to reconfig my x
[11:36] <scizzo> Ferry: I can tell you the bug number in a bit
[11:37] <Quarupt> howcome knoppic auto-conf works better on my machine to set up x?
[11:37] <Quarupt> knoppix*
[11:38] <randabis> liveCDs work differently
[11:41] <scizzo> Ferry: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5861
[11:42] <scizzo> lunch time
[11:44] <elbi> any way to compile the php imap module manually?
[11:45] <Ferry> scizzo: i have the same laptop
[11:45] <Ferry> :)
[11:46] <scizzo> ok
[11:47] <scizzo> well not everything works good with the Pheonix bios stuff
[11:47] <ironwolf> where do I change the default application a file with a certain extension opens with?
[11:48] <scizzo> ironwolf: in gnome?
[11:51] <spiral> hi everybody
[11:53] <tuxJr_14> hi
[11:53] <ironwolf> scizzo: yes
[11:56] <scizzo> shrug...everything changes
[11:57] <Adrenal> wtf is with the new version of gaim
[11:58] <Adrenal> 2/3 messages can't be sent
[11:59] <Adrenal> anyone?
[11:59] <ironwolf> scizzo: got it working.. in a round-a-bout way.
[12:03] <tux_> i need libmagick 6 : 5:6.0.2.5-1ubuntu1 but only 5:6.0.2.5-1ubuntu1.3 is available
[12:03] <tux_> where could i get the previous ver ?
[12:04] <Stew2> I have a drive formatted with NTFS under Windows XP SP2. Can I plug it into an Ubuntu Hoary computer and will Ubuntu see the files?
[12:04] <Adrenal> u have to mount it
[12:05] <Skid> mkdir /mnt/win && mount -t ntfs /dev/hdaxX /mnt/win
[12:06] <Skid> where xX = for example hda1
[12:06] <Skid> and so on
[12:06] <Adrenal> u can use captive to make write support
[12:06] <Adrenal> hope u have better luck then i did
[12:07] <Adrenal> cos, u know....i had bad luck
[12:08] <Stew2> Skid Is it read only?
[12:08] <Adrenal> yes
[12:08] <Adrenal> yes it is
[12:08] <Adrenal> i recommend converting to ext3 or reiser fs anyway
[12:09] <Adrenal> no defraging
[12:09] <Adrenal> not now, not ever
[12:09] <Skid> yeah, write support isn't stable yet
[12:09] <Skid> unless you want to loose your data? :P
[12:10] <Adrenal> hard skid, harder
[12:10] <Skid> muahahhah !
[12:10] <Adrenal> cat /dev/urandom
[12:10] <Skid> :)
[12:11] <tuxJr_14> skid: all the best for the exam
[12:11] <Adrenal> exam?
[12:11] <Skid> thanks, although to be honest I'm aiming for the resit (bad ethics, i know.. but I've not really revised for it)
[12:11] <zeeble> Skid: :)
[12:11] <Skid> ya, predicate calculus, truth trees, autmoations blaaaaaaaaaah
[12:13] <Adrenal> aww man
[12:13] <Adrenal> found this awesome thing for linux
[12:13] <Adrenal> called 'kde'
[12:13] <Adrenal> so sweet
[12:13] <zeeble> lol
[12:14] <zeeble> try that line in #gnome
[12:14] <Adrenal> so i says to the guy, ITS MY WILLY AND I'LL WASH IT AS FAST AS I WANT
[12:15] <darmou> Does anyone know how to start ubuntu in console mode, when It starts X it's completely stuffed on my ppc machine with Radeon card. :(
[12:15] <tuxJr_14> Adrenal: it's already there. it's more famous than gnome ( err... i hope i'm not on #gnome) :-)
[12:16] <Adrenal> tuxJr_14: i know, tried it, it sucks. I support anyone using it, but i won't, you know, march in their parades or anything
[12:16] <Skid> lol
[12:16] <Skid> personally, I pref gnome
[12:16] <Skid> but there you go
[12:16] <Skid> (more lightweight)
[12:16] <zeeble> io2 > *
[12:16] <zeeble> err, ion2 even
[12:16] <Adrenal> xfce is good
[12:16] <Skid> though, i'm partial to fluxbox > gnome
[12:16] <zeeble> yeah, xfce too
[12:16] <Adrenal> what file manager do u guys use?
[12:16] <Skid> what is xfce ?
[12:16] <zeeble> xfce4
[12:16] <Adrenal> gnomelite
[12:17] <zeeble> i use one called gentoo
[12:17] <Adrenal> but still fully features
[12:17] <Skid> I keep hearing about it..
[12:17] <Adrenal> try it
[12:17] <Adrenal> its very good
[12:17] <Adrenal> but i still prefer gnome
[12:17] <Adrenal> however, for playing games, i run that
[12:17] <Skid> is it a DM ?
[12:17] <Adrenal> cos uses like no resources?
[12:17] <Adrenal> d...m?
[12:17] <zeeble> no. its a WM
[12:17] <zeeble> its either DE or WM
[12:17] <zeeble> XFCE is a WM
[12:18] <jdub> xfce is much closer to a DE
[12:18] <Skid> sorry yeah, I've been up all night ;)
[12:18] <Adrenal> do u guys all use nautilus, or is there something better?
[12:18] <Skid> I do, don't really like it
[12:19] <darmou> Is there a way to boot in console mode?
[12:23] <LaurenceRowe> I am having problems connecting to a slow ssh host with nautilus. connecting to localhost works fine, but connecting to my remote host always results in a "Nautilus can not display sftp://blah, please select another viewer and try again" error. I can commandline sftp into my remote host - though it often takes a little while for the password prompt to appear. any ideas?
[12:24] <jazzka> how can I know which is the correct font resolution for a 1024x768 desktop?
[12:26] <LaurenceRowe> jazzka: it depends on the size of your screen. If you use a small screen at high resolution go for larger dpi fonts
[12:26] <jazzka> LaurenceRowe, I'm using a 17 inches screen
[12:27] <Adrenal> whats the default font in xchat?
[12:27] <Adrenal> cos i upgraded and it all went to hell
[12:27] <zeeble> Monospace
[12:27] <zeeble> try Sans
[12:27] <LaurenceRowe> so from left to right that is about say 13 inches. 1024/13 =78. go for something like that
[12:27] <nakee_> what's the url to see what package a langauge pack has?
[12:27] <Adrenal> cheers
[12:28] <Skid> yeah, i dont like the latest version of xchat
[12:28] <Adrenal> ah
[12:28] <Adrenal> much better
[12:28] <Skid> i much pref'd the oler one & black theme
[12:28] <Adrenal> yeh, wtf did they do?
[12:28] <Adrenal> is there anyway to downgrade through synaptic?
[12:28] <Skid> the colours are crap too
[12:28] <Skid> hmm, not sure
[12:28] <Skid> suppose you could compile from source
[12:28] <Adrenal> aww...source
[12:28] <Adrenal> i don't wanna
[12:29] <Skid> :)
[12:29] <Caleb^> i just installed ubuntu for the first time, but im having problem with the dependencies, it says 'modprobe: can't open dependecies file '/lib/modules/2.4.26/modules.dep'. any idea?
[12:29] <Caleb^> im wondering why is it 2.4 series. but the kernel is 2.6
[12:29] <Skid> ditto
[12:29] <Skid> :)
[12:31] <ups_> i installed hoary, and everything seems to be running fine. my xorg.conf and XFree86-4 files are exactly the same
[12:31] <ups_> is that normal?
[12:32] <sn0wman> ups_, xorg and xfree are both implemenations of the same spec, so it's normal that the config files are the same
[12:33] <ups_> ok
[12:34] <Caleb^> how can i point the modules into 2.6 kernel directory?
[12:34] <ups_> also, i had made a few changes to the XFree86 file (disabled UseFBDev)
[12:34] <ups_> this also appeared in the xorg file
[12:34] <quitte> Caleb^: sure you have a 2.6 kernel running. try uname -r
[12:34] <ups_> basically it seemed to me that the XFree file was copied to xorg one
[12:35] <Caleb^> quitte:  but it says modprobe: can't open dependecies file '/lib/modules/2.4.26/modules.dep'
[12:35] <Skid> i.e. some of the screenshots from the forums, gee.
[12:35] <Skid> niiiiice
[12:35] <ups_> i hope its ok
[12:35] <quitte> Caleb^ but.. you are most likely running 2.4.26. uname -r will tell you
[12:35] <HetIsLarsje> anyone got an idea where Rythmbox dumps its debug log?
[12:36] <Caleb^> quitte: but im having error in mobprobe, how can i fix that? it cant load the ati card driver
[12:36] <HetIsLarsje> I've run it with the debug mode (I hope) but can't find the output...
[12:36] <quitte> Caleb^: to recreate that depndencies error run depmod -a
[12:36] <Spader4321> whats the fastest way to get ubuntu?
[12:36] <quitte> Caleb^: still you *are* running 2.4.26
[12:37] <quitte> Caleb^: s/error/file
[12:37] <Caleb^> quitte: thnx
[12:38] <Caleb^> quitte: do i need to download/install separate driver for radeon? or is it supported in ubuntu?
[12:38] <sean__> zeeble
[12:38] <sean__> i dunno how to pm in this client?
[12:38] <zeeble> sean__: type /msg nickname
[12:38] <zeeble> you just dud
[12:38] <quitte> Spader4321: for me running sid it was as easy as changing my etc/apt/sources.list to use hoary repositories instead and dist-upgrading
[12:38] <zeeble> did
[12:39] <Quarupt> how do i switch to your pm?
[12:39] <quitte> Caleb^ i'm a newbie to ubuntu and have no radeon myself.sorry.
[12:40] <Quarupt> zeeble?
[12:40] <quitte> Caleb^: but xorg supports radeon
[12:40] <zeeble> Quarupt: apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:40] <smurfslay> anyone succeeded using ndiswrapper with ubuntu?
[12:41] <Caleb^> quitte: the 4.10 release is not xorg based
[12:41] <zeeble> Quarupt: got it?
[12:41] <quitte> Caleb^: i don'T know. i changed to ubuntu because of xorg.
[12:42] <Quarupt> its going
[12:42] <quitte> Caleb^: cant say anything bad about hoary so far
[12:42] <Quarupt> i cant see if my pm's get to you
[12:42] <zeeble> Quarupt: i get them
[12:42] <MorphDK> hey..
[12:43] <quitte> Caleb^: try apt-cache search radeon
[12:43] <quitte> Caleb^: that'S giving me some useful results
[12:44] <Quarupt> zeeble i dont think i can send pm's to you anymore?
[12:44] <zeeble> why not?
[12:44] <Quarupt> it just doesnt work
[12:44] <zeeble> Quarupt: do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:44] <Quarupt> doesnt send em
[12:44] <zeeble> Quarupt: choose nvidia there, and the nv driver
[12:45] <zeeble> Quarupt: when it asks you to select xserver modules, deselect GLcore and dri
[12:45] <zeeble> Quarupt: and select glx
[12:46] <MorphDK> what's the status on KDE and Ubuntu?
[12:46] <MorphDK> Do I have to wait for Kubuntu?
[12:46] <Riddell> MorphDK: KDE 3.3.2 is in universe
[12:47] <MorphDK> Riddell is it working well?
[12:47] <Riddell> MorphDK: you can install KDE now
[12:47] <abelli> ciao a tutti
[12:47] <Riddell> MorphDK: no, the k-menu is broken
[12:47] <MorphDK> I've got some bad experinces last time i tried..
[12:47] <MorphDK> that's what I thought..
[12:47] <Riddell> MorphDK: what were the bad experiences?
[12:47] <abelli> my gnome-volume-manager doesnt automount usb devices. why?
[12:47] <MorphDK> Riddell: The K-menu.. :D
[12:47] <quitte> abelli are you in the plugdev group?
[12:47] <Riddell> we're investigating it
[12:48] <Quarupt> zeeble did ya get the pm's i just sent?
[12:48] <zeeble> Quarupt: i did.
[12:48] <abelli> hope so..
[12:48] <Quarupt> so...?
[12:48] <abelli> quitte: let me see
[12:48] <quitte> abeeli or is it maybe a usb device that has multiple partitions? my usb hdd didn't automount until i made it one big vfat partition
[12:49] <MorphDK> Riddell: Okay.. So do i stick to Ubuntu/Gnome until Kubuntu is released?
[12:49] <abelli> quitte: no only hal is in there..
[12:49] <MorphDK> Riddell: I think KDE is nice, but not without k-menu
[12:50] <quitte> abelli: in where?
[12:50] <abelli> quitte: plug* group.
[12:50] <Caleb^> quitte: hoary?
[12:50] <Quarupt> Zeeble im gunna finish the script now okay?
[12:50] <zeeble> Quarupt: SELECT glx.
[12:50] <quitte> abelli well- then add yourself to plugdev. adduser abelli plugdev
[12:50] <abelli> quitte: thank you
[12:50] <quitte> Caleb^: i'm using hoary. is that the answer to your question?
[12:51] <Quarupt> ...
[12:52] <Caleb^> quitte: yes, so its not the warty?
[12:52] <Quarupt> i wish i could see the ./msg i send out
[12:52] <zeeble> Quarupt: hehe
[12:52] <quitte> Caleb^: i'm not using warty
[12:52] <jesuel> oooo....
[12:52] <jesuel> heh, just got home, almost got a ticket :(
[12:53] <jesuel> hrm, and wrong channel too ;p
[12:53] <Caleb^> quitte: theres no download section for hoary in their site
[12:53] <quitte> Caleb^ edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:54] <quitte> see where it says warty?
[12:54] <quitte> Caleb^: change that to hoary
[12:54] <quitte> Caleb^: apt-get update&&apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:54] <TreadingSoftly> Hi folks. Been using Ubuntu for two weeks on my desktop; now I'm planning to dual boot it with Windows XP on my Thinkpad T40. I'm trying to work out the best way to partition the disk. Current plan: resize the NTFS Windows partition so it takes up half the disk, create a 512 MB swap, and leave the rest to Ubuntu. My question is as follows: will i be able to mount the NTFS partition from within Ubuntu? Or do I need to create a FAT partition if I wa
[12:54] <quitte> Caleb^: at least that's how it worked in debian
[12:55] <ups_> TreadingSoftly: u can mount the ntfs partition as read-only in ubuntu
[12:55] <zeeble> TreadingSoftly: yoi'll be able to mount. the only thing is you best do the mount as read-only. read-write for ntfs is flaky.
[12:56] <Quarupt> zeeble your not getting my pm's?
[12:56] <zeeble> Quarupt: i am getting them. you are'nt getting mine
[12:56] <TreadingSoftly> Ah, so i probably want a small FAT partition to share stuff. Is R/O on NTFS good enough for Wine?
[12:56] <zeeble> !
[12:56] <zeeble> TreadingSoftly: yeah.
[12:57] <Quarupt> lets just talk in here zeeble its less confusing for me
[12:57] <TreadingSoftly> ok, thanks ups_ and zeeble :)
[12:57] <Caleb^> quitte: have you notice that all installed has been upgraded?
[12:57] <zeeble> Quarupt: ok. send me your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file.
[12:57] <Quarupt> how lol?
[12:57] <quitte> Caleb^ i never used warty
[12:58] <Quarupt> zeeble: wow tab completeion works with names
[12:58] <Quarupt> zeeble: this is so cool
[12:58] <zeeble> Quarupt: you had'nt seen that earlier? o.o
[12:58] <Quarupt> zeeble: naw
[12:59] <Quarupt> zeeble: okay so how do i send you the file?
[12:59] <zeeble> Quarupt: /dcc  send it
[12:59] <Quarupt> zeeble: /dcc name file?
[01:00] <Quarupt> zeeble: ?
[01:00] <zeeble> yeah
[01:01] <Skid> hmph, still can't figure it out.. how does one get completely transparent windows (i.e. terminal windows, that look like the text is just on the desktop?)
[01:01] <Quarupt> zeeble: where exactly is the file?
[01:01] <Quarupt> zeeble: /etc/init.d/?
[01:01] <zeeble> Quarupt: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:02] <Quarupt> oh lol
[01:02] <Quarupt> zeeble: working?
[01:02] <zeeble> no
[01:03] <Quarupt> well the syntax was wrong then
[01:03] <Ng> Skid: you get transparent terminals by right clicking on them choosing Edit Current Profile and going go the Effects tab. Or did you mean to make any arbitrary window properly translucent?
[01:03] <Quarupt> zeeble: are you sure its /dcc USER /FILE/
[01:03] <zeeble> Quarupt: /dcc send user path
[01:04] <zeeble> Quarupt: not transferring :/
[01:05] <Quarupt> zeeble: that work?
[01:05] <Quarupt> why not?
[01:05] <zeeble> Quarupt: yeah
[01:05] <Quarupt> zeeble: working now?
[01:05] <zeeble> Quarupt: no. maybe your DCC send is blocked.
[01:05] <Quarupt> zeeble:  how to fix?
[01:06] <Quarupt> zeeble: how do i clear all my dcc?
[01:07] <Quarupt> zeeble: you awake bud?
[01:07] <TreadingSoftly> New question. I'm trying to resize my NTFS with qtparted in Knoppix without destroying the IBM Thinkpad predesktop area partition (which is in 2.91 GB at the end of the disk). According to this guy (http://ursa.as.arizona.edu/~rad/ibmt40.html), I need to 'Put the predesktop "free space" into an extended partition (to keep it separate while resizing).' Any idea what this means?
[01:08] <Quarupt> NO!!!!!
[01:08] <Quarupt> im screwed now
[01:09] <Quarupt> zeeble come back lol
[01:10] <gman4e> does "Maxtor 80 GB USB2.0 One Touch", work on ubuntu??
[01:10] <Quarupt> well im so close to getting my x working with my nvidia card
[01:10] <Quarupt> and then zeeble leaves
[01:10] <Quarupt> man
[01:10] <gman4e> and if so, which filesystem, should i format it with?
[01:12] <quitte> maybe it even works making debs from it now :))
[01:12] <quitte> had a really hard time making most patches apply to cvs
[01:12] <Sav> how do i get .mp3 files default played by xmms ?
[01:13] <no0tic> Sav: in nautilus right-click on a mp3 file --> "Poperties" --> Open with
[01:15] <Quarupt> man where did zeeble go
[01:15] <Quarupt> i really need him back
[01:15] <Sav> ok thnx, now. How do i get a "detailed look on my home folder and prevent it from opening a new window for each folder?
[01:15] <Quarupt> i need to finish getting nvida working with my x
[01:15] <no0tic> Sav: look in preferences...
[01:15] <Skid> Ng: i mean the windows border
[01:16] <Quarupt> no0tic: maybe you can help me
[01:16] <Skid> sorry was playing with xfce
[01:16] <quitte> Quarupt: just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and configure it. what's so hard about that?
[01:16] <Quarupt> i did
[01:16] <Skid> ng1
[01:16] <Quarupt> it doesnt work i got the driver and installed it
[01:16] <quitte> Quarupt: i mean you never asked for dri working - so it should be really easy
[01:16] <Skid> Ng: http://de.lunar-linux.org/xfce4/screenshots/2005-01-09-223724_1600x1200_scrot_thumbnail.png <-- like that screenshot there.. I'd like to make my terminals like it
[01:16] <Quarupt> quitte: it should but its not easy lol
[01:17] <Quarupt> quitte: we were going to edit my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:17] <quitte> Quarupt you have to select nv driver - not nvidia. then it *is* easy
[01:17] <Quarupt> quitte: but then he left and i cant edit it
[01:17] <darmou> Is there any way of booting into console mode with ubuntu my video is stuffed, would booting it in single usermode help?
[01:17] <Quarupt> okay i will try this
[01:18] <quitte> Quarupt: zeeble told you to use nv,too
[01:18] <Quarupt> quitte: nope didnt work
[01:18] <gman4e> does "Maxtor 80 GB USB2.0 One Touch", work on ubuntu??
[01:18] <Quarupt> quitte: i used nv driver this time
[01:19] <Quarupt> quitte: still says fail
[01:19] <Sav> no0tic, well the settings only apply for only that folder.. right?
[01:19] <quitte> Quarupt what do you mean by doesn'T work?
[01:19] <Quarupt> quitte: after i reconfigured with nv driver i restarted gdm and it failed
[01:19] <Quarupt> quitte: how can i use both drivers?
[01:20] <quitte> you can'T
[01:20] <quitte> Quarupt what kind of dumb irc client are you using?
[01:20] <quitte> Quarupt: i msged you.
[01:20] <Quarupt> quitte: irsii or something
[01:21] <quitte> Quarupt: and you dont see im msging you?
[01:21] <Quarupt> quitte: i do see
[01:21] <Quarupt> quitte: how do you think i saw you told me to use nv lol
[01:21] <quitte> Quarupt. ok you didn't see. i told you in this chan
[01:22] <quitte> Quarupt install irssi-text.
[01:22] <Quarupt> quitte: and i tried it and it failed lol
[01:22] <Quarupt> quitte: it is installed
[01:22] <Quarupt> quitte: i got your messages
[01:22] <quitte> Quarupt: you can change windows with alt-n. like alt-1
[01:22] <quitte> why don'T you reply me with msg then?
[01:24] <kbrooks> take this out of here, quitte and Quarupt.
[01:27] <jono> hi al
[01:27] <jono> all
[01:35] <no0tic> where can I find packages change logs?
[01:37] <PLUCKy_8954> hello
[01:37] <[m0rph] > hi
[01:38] <Sav> how prevent new window opening when i access a folder? want it to open in the active window
[01:39] <Skid> Sav: in the prefs, say open in browser window
[01:39] <lordan> no0tic, of installed packages? /usr/share/doc/<package>/[cC] hange[lL] og.gz usually
[01:39] <Skid> it'll be more like "explorer" then
[01:39] <Sav> Skid, cant find where.
[01:39] <Skid> edit -> pres
[01:39] <Skid> prefs
[01:39] <no0tic> lordan: of new packages (not already installed)
[01:40] <Sav> ahh now i see
[01:40] <Skid> then behavoir tab
[01:40] <Skid> :)
[01:40] <Sav> thnx
[01:40] <Skid> np
[01:42] <lordan> no0tic, good question
[01:43] <Sav> Anyone know how to install Wlan, got "Dell TrueMobile 1400 Dualband Wlan MINI-PCI card"
[01:43] <no0tic> brb
[01:44] <da_bon_bon> anyone here uses the hoary array3 iso ?
[01:44] <no0tic> re
[01:45] <da_bon_bon> re ?
[01:46] <PLUCKy_8954> re = wb
[01:47] <da_bon_bon> hey, i realized that my isp keeps track of every site i visit. BASTARDS! can i use any circumvent ?
[01:48] <TW> hi all
[01:48] <Sav> How do i know what module my wlan sould use? i find the wlan in device manager
[01:48] <Guardiann> hi
[01:49] <TW> i have a problem with x server under a via pc
[01:49] <TW> it doesn't start
[01:49] <no0tic> Sav: google is your friend ;)
[01:49] <no0tic> TW: warty or hoary?
[01:49] <TW> warty
[01:51] <TW> i try with live cd and it works
[01:55] <kbrooks> da_bon_bon, sure.
[01:56] <kbrooks> da_bon_bon, how many hours are you usually online?
[01:56] <kbrooks> da_bon_bon, because i have a (instant) idea.
[01:56] <da_bon_bon> kbrooks: no idea. maybe 6 per day ?
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> whats the idea ?
[01:57] <Caleb^> quitte: the uname -r displays 2.4.26 version
[01:57] <kbrooks> da_bon_bon, proxy.
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> kbrooks: is there any free one ?
[01:57] <quitte> Caleb^: i told you, didn't i?
[01:58] <kbrooks> da_bon_bon, i'll install it on my comp for you and you can use my comp to access sites
[01:58] <quitte> Caleb^: that's because your kernel *is* 2.4.26
[01:58] <da_bon_bon> kbrooks: u r computer is always on ?
[01:58] <kbrooks> da_bon_bon, yeah.
[01:58] <kbrooks> don't worry -- i won't be monitoring sites that you access
[01:59] <kbrooks> i understand privay
[02:01] <Caleb^> quitte: but my diretory is /lib/modules/2.6.8... blah blah
[02:02] <quitte> Caleb^ you are not running that kernel. period. no discussion.
[02:02] <quitte> Caleb^: reboot and see if you can boot a 2.6 kernel
[02:02] <Caleb^> quitte: so how can i run that kernel
[02:02] <quitte> Caleb^: reboot.
[02:03] <Caleb^> quitte: i install ubuntu as custom
[02:03] <quitte> Caleb^: your bootloader should have been configured to show you all installed kernels i guess
[02:03] <da_bon_bon> anyone here uses the hoary array3 iso ?
[02:04] <Caleb^> brb
[02:06] <Guardiann> da_bon_bon doesnt appear so
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> da_bon_bon: is there a problem?
[02:06] <da_bon_bon> Guardiann: right!
[02:07] <da_bon_bon> HrdwrBoB: nah. wanted to ask howz it? coz i can never hope to download 'em.
[02:09] <Sav> Anyone wanna helt me with WLAN, driver is installed, module is loaded but i get no interface on the wlan, s i cant add it to the network-list
[02:11] <mannemarak> Hi all,
[02:12] <mannemarak> hi
[02:12] <mannemarak> can anyone help with setting the mail up to work with MS exchange?
[02:18] <questioner> ive got a question, i want to set a crontab wich executes a command every 10 minutes, is the following syntax correct? */10 * * * * root rm -r /home/user/.Trash/*
[02:22] <synan> hi all
[02:22] <synan> have some probs again.. =)
[02:22] <synan> trying to run xfce installer gave me an error of mising glib.. any ideas?
[02:22] <bebek> hello
[02:22] <bebek> is the procedure for installing fglrx driver in hoary the same as in warty? (in the wikipage)
[02:23] <synan> trey3, are u here? =)
[02:23] <Guardiann> synan have you installedd glib?
[02:23] <Ferry> scizzo: do you have speedstep issues on your tecra?
[02:24] <synan> Guardiann, isnt it suppoesed to be installed already?
[02:24] <Ferry> scizzo: or usb?
[02:24] <bebek> my hoary shows a message that the package could not be authenticated when i do apt-get install
[02:24] <bebek> what could be the problem?
[02:24] <Guardiann> try searching and installing from synaptic
[02:25] <siretart_> hi there
[02:26] <quitte> can someone running warty please tell Quarupt which 2.6.8 kernel and headers to install for a p3?
[02:26] <synan> Guardiann, synaptic said it is installed, but i searched for GModule but with no results..
[02:27] <Guardiann> synan thats strange when i do a seach for it it doesnt show up
[02:27] <siretart> is there a info browser in ubunut/main?
[02:27] <synan> Guardiann, what doesnt show up?
[02:27] <synan> glib?
[02:28] <Guardiann> yep
[02:30] <Sav> Anyone wanna helt me with WLAN, driver is installed, module is loaded but i get no interface on the wlan, s i cant add it to the network-list
[02:31] <quaru> wow xchat
[02:31] <quaru> yeaa
[02:31] <quaru> are you here man?
[02:31] <jcoxon77> hi everyone
[02:32] <bebek> why does hoary does not detect package dependency automatically upon calling "apt-get install <something" ???
[02:32] <bebek> it always say that something is not installed....
[02:33] <erGoline> Hi I have some problems setting X for a Sis630 with a LCD Panel (All-in-one PC.. notebook hardware) while with the external VGA it's all ok. Any hint?
[02:34] <BockBilbo> hello
[02:37] <Fish2005> hi
[02:38] <spiral> oups... evolution breaks in hoary update ? :-/
[02:38] <siretart> Sav: which driver? did you check the syslog for error messages?
[02:39] <siretart> spiral: evolution 2.1.3.2-0ubuntu3 seems to work for me [tm] 
[02:39] <MasTinoX> hello
[02:39] <spiral> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[02:39] <spiral>   evolution libcamel1.2-1
[02:39] <spiral> siretart: dist-upgrade now and you'll see what I pasted maybe
[02:40] <synan> does anyone know why my xfce installer complains of missing glib and gmodule?
[02:41] <spiral> any idea about this problem with evolution ?
[02:42] <siretart> spiral: sorry, I cannot reproduce your problem
[02:42] <bretzel> hi there -- Something is strange : images.iso files aren't recognized ? I was used in previous ubuntu installation to be able to burn those iso through nautilus - did I missed something on this installation ?
[02:43] <bretzel> Thus, How I can make nautilus to burn iso files ?
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> right click
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> write to disc
[02:45] <rcaskey_> wowzers, ubuntu is gainin on the biggest distrowatch players
[02:47] <bretzel> HrdwrBoB: that is the problem: there is nothing about burning in the ctx menu - !
[02:48] <bretzel> HrdwrBoB: There are only the basic ops like delete; open with other apps etc ... nothing else
[02:50] <bretzel> HrdwrBoB: And nautilus cd-buring pkg is installed ...
[02:50] <synan> there is only one thing "wrong" with ubuntu, like many others that makes me stick to my slack. Bad offline support, or to explain, when you dont have internet - packet management nullifies itself..
[02:51] <synan> if i find a way to get over that, i will be a happy ubuntu user..
[02:51] <synan> one distro that made that right altho being heavily a download distro is SourceMage..
[02:52] <synan> what ubuntu currently lacks is the abillity to see the deps of some packages without acctually having internet..
[02:52] <synan> some packages meaning packages not installed nor available on the cd..
[02:53] <bretzel> I am really screwed! What if I drag the iso file into cd cd-dvd burning window - ?
[02:54] <dud> you can have a cdrom entry, or a file entry with "emergency packages"
[02:54] <dud> in your sources.list
[02:54] <dud> its upto yourself to provide a sane offline enviroment
[02:54] <dud> as it is with slack as well
[02:55] <RU63> Does anyone know how to change eth1 to wlan0  ?
[02:55] <bretzel> Nautilus cd-dvd burning: I see the problem but cannot figure out how I can change the mime-type: ISO file are of type "unknown" !!! what the heck is that ?
[02:57] <dud> bretzel, are you sure your iso file is complete and without errors?
[02:58] <RU63> I have eth0 (plugin)  anf eth1 (wireless)  both of those won't work together.  Thus I need to make the eth1 to wlan0 so i can use both.
[02:58] <RU63> how?
[02:58] <bretzel> dud: How can I say ? ok I gonna mount it (loop )
[02:59] <IrIT> Hi
[02:59] <bretzel> dud: No there seems no errors - if I can mount the iso and browse its contents - that means it is ok
[03:00] <jcoxon77> RU63: what is your wireless network card?
[03:00] <dud> yeah, should be ok then
[03:00] <AzMoo> I <3 whoever is the driving force behind this operating system.
[03:00] <RU63> centrino
[03:00] <RU63> 2100
[03:00] <RU63> i am wireless right now...
[03:00] <RU63> but i had to edit the /etc/network/interfaces
[03:00] <RU63> and change the eth0 to eth1
[03:01] <RU63> i want them both in working though
[03:01] <RU63> so i need to change the eth1 to wlan0, i think
[03:01] <jcoxon77> RU63: its strange that wireless has gone to eth1, pretty much all drivers now use wlan0
[03:01] <bretzel> dud: If only ISO mime-type were registred but I dunno how to set it up
[03:01] <RU63> hmm
[03:01] <jcoxon77> RU63: did you have to install any drivers, or was it automagically working?
[03:02] <RU63> was automatically set to eth1
[03:02] <RU63> i installed drivers too
[03:02] <RU63> has been eth1 since install
[03:02] <RU63> is there a way to change it manually?
[03:03] <jcoxon77> RU63: one sec, just checking
[03:03] <dud> bretzel, the problem is that you cant just burn an ISO like a normal file like that...
[03:03] <dud> why dont you just use cdrecord manually?
[03:04] <synan> dud, but i havent seen a way to add a complete list of universe packs so i could search them using synaptic? i am new to debs..
[03:06] <synan> dud, know of a way?
[03:06] <siretart> RU63: I'm using ath0 for wireless, my girlfriend eth1 for wireless. nothing wrong about that
[03:07] <AzMoo> Is there not a package for Firefox 1.0 ?
[03:07] <siretart> AzMoo: in hoary, not in warty
[03:08] <AzMoo> siretart, so if I change the distribution to hoary in Synaptic I should be able to get it?
[03:08] <bretzel> no luck- cd-dvd burning - dragging the iso file into the window also screwed!!! what the f*&^ I can do ???
[03:08] <RU63> siretart: does she also have eth0 in the /etc/network/interfaces
[03:09] <siretart> AzMoo: better don't. this would upgrade your whole system to hoary. I'm not sure you would want this
[03:09] <siretart> RU63: I think so, yes
[03:09] <Guardiann> bretzel how are you trying to burn the iso
[03:10] <AzMoo> siretart, hoary is an unstable version?
[03:11] <RU63> how should my /etc/networking/interfaces look?
[03:11] <bretzel> Gaurdiann: Of course but my problem is that nautilus / gnome/ mime-types system doesn't recognize the iso - I have tested mounting it in loopback and suuccessfuly browse the contents - but nautilus can't do nothing even burning the iso as a file doens' work
[03:11] <Guardiann> try burning it with k3b
[03:11] <Guardiann> works very good with iso's
[03:12] <siretart> AzMoo: hoary is in development, it will be released in a may
[03:12] <bretzel> It totally screwed: only thing done to the blank dvd ( yes it is a dvd image iso ) is fixating; and about 30% is written if I look the surface
[03:12] <siretart> RU63: please in channel
[03:13] <RU63> ok
[03:13] <RU63> how does her interfaces file look?
[03:13] <bretzel> Guardiann: k3b needs to be running as root else there is too much setting to do I tried once... no luck either
[03:13] <Guardiann> yep in warty it does
[03:13] <RU63> and how do i get you to be red?
[03:14] <RU63> new to x-chat
[03:14] <dud> you have to press one button in k3bsetup to get it running
[03:14] <dud> is that too hard?
[03:14] <Guardiann> :)
[03:14] <siretart> RU63: dont know for sure, she uses the gnome menu to setup her interfaces
[03:14] <AzMoo> siretart, fair enough. Is there another way I can upgrade it? Just download some .debs or something?
[03:14] <bretzel> dud: no that is not the problem with k3b - this app needs root privilege and I don't want to enable the root account
[03:15] <siretart> AzMoo: do you really need 1.0? why not waiting for hoary to be released?
[03:15] <dud> you can use the backports for firefox 1.0 in warty siretart
[03:15] <Guardiann> bretze you open up terminal and type
[03:15] <Stuttergart> is there a channel bot?
[03:15] <dud> works great in hoary without root privileges bretzel ....
[03:15] <daniels> no
[03:15] <Guardiann> gksudo k3b
[03:15] <bretzel> ok lets try it again...
[03:15] <siretart> dud: last time I used the backports, they used a package version number higher that the one in hoary
[03:15] <Stuttergart> It looks like evolution in hoary is hosed but I'm trying to avoid asking about it here if it is already documented. ;)
[03:16] <AzMoo> siretart, I'm an Intranet Web Developer. 0.9.3 has a few problems with dynamically creating checkboxes. This has been fixed in 1.0.
[03:16] <njan> Stuttergart, I just apt-get dist-upgrade'd and evolution works fine for me in hoary
[03:16] <njan> Stuttergart, what problems are you having with it?
[03:16] <siretart> dud: so upgrades to hoary still kept the version from backports. as long this isn't fixed, I would'nt recommend the backports for warty
[03:17] <Stuttergart> njan:   evolution: Depends: libcamel1.2-1 (>= 1.1.3) but it is not installable
[03:17] <dud> ok, never used warty myself, im running hoary
[03:17] <siretart> AzMoo: in this case, I would suggest to try an uprade to hoary on a test machine, to see if hoary is usable for you. But it is work in progress and tons of updates are floating into hoary evry day
[03:18] <Quarupted> is warty like a dwarfed version of the other one?
[03:18] <dud> siretart, besides, if you removed the old backports version, and removed the backport entry from sources.list... wheres the problem?
[03:18] <darmou> does anyone know of an x config tool for x.org?
[03:18] <Scognito> hi all
[03:18] <siretart> AzMoo: for myself, I'm very happy with hoary, but If there are problems, I'm able to fix them myself. don't know about you..
[03:18] <dud> xorgconfig
[03:18] <Guardiann> Quarupted no
[03:19] <Scognito> i don't know my blank cd are not recognized by the system (hoary)
[03:19] <siretart> dud: that I would have to do it myself with aptitude. look how http://backports.org solved that problem
[03:19] <darmou> thanks dud:)
[03:19] <AzMoo> siretart, I'm not particularly familiar with Ubuntu or Debian. I'm a passable administrator of other distributions, but nothing special. I wouldn't call myself competent.
[03:19] <Scognito> k3b and nautilus-cdburner tell me that there is "no medium found"
[03:19] <AzMoo> siretart, so it's probably not a good idea.
[03:20] <AzMoo> It's ok, I'll just use windows for that part.
[03:20] <siretart> AzMoo: indeed
[03:20] <siretart> AzMoo: another solution would be to install firefox 1.0 from hand in /opt
[03:20] <bretzel> duh - k3b  works - burning the dvd iso - but this is not fixing the nautilus mess --- I really don't know why it is messedup - I re-installed ubuntu two days ago and this is the first time i intent to use the nautilus cd-dvd burning - in the previous installation it was working really great...
[03:20] <ups> AzMoo: i have tried the firefox package for hoary in warty, and it worked fine
[03:21] <Guardiann> bretzel your welcome :)
[03:21] <siretart> ups: yes? the last time I tried that if fucked up my gnome libs, preventing gdm to start
[03:21] <siretart> s/if/it/
[03:21] <bretzel> Yeah! thanks Guardiann - but I am running a bad nautilus installation! I would feel better if it could be fixed!
[03:21] <ups> siretart: until yesterday, yes. now i've upgraded to hoary, but it worked smooth
[03:22] <ups> i used it for 3-4 days
[03:22] <Guardiann> ok off to work I go have fun all
[03:22] <bretzel> :-)
[03:22] <siretart> ups: yes, this was the reason for me to upgrade to hoary (I was close before a reinstall, but hoary is working fine enough for me)
[03:22] <AzMoo> Nah, it's ok. I'll stick with 0.9.3 on this box and just leave the other one turned on for testing those particular forms.
[03:23] <timello> hi there, apache-ssl not accepts SSLOptions, I need this SSLOptions +FakeBasicAuth +ExportCertData +CompatEnvVars, we have SSLExportClientCertificates, but only export client, I need server certificate too, idea?
[03:23] <Quarupted> can someone walk me through auto mounting a ntfs part read only and getting an icon on my desktop?
[03:23] <siretart> AzMoo: I think this is a save decision
[03:23] <AzMoo> I appreciate the help though, thanks :)
[03:23] <ups> siretart: i didnt upgrade to hoary for firefox though, i wanted to have xorg ;)
[03:23] <bretzel> sireatrt: About hoary - how did you manage to install it fine ???? Is there a chance that in the current repos, hoary beggins to be usable ?
[03:23] <ups> AzMoo: that sounds safe
[03:25] <timello> guys, found, thx
[03:26] <dud> hoary has reached some kind of freeze now... its gonna be more and more stable
[03:26] <bretzel> Hey guys, you are talking about Firefox 1.0 ??
[03:26] <siretart> bretzel: hoary is usable for me [tm] . But as said, I think there are too many updates to it yet for general recommendation
[03:27] <bretzel> siretart: When hoary - xorg and nvidia-glx  are ok I will jump to it!
[03:27] <vitaminmoo> 'lo all
[03:27] <Quarupted> what is Xorg?
[03:28] <Quarupted> like an x server alt?
[03:28] <dud> im using xorg with nvidia-glx
[03:28] <Quarupted> Is there 3ddesktop for warty?
[03:28] <siretart> Quarupted: have a look at http://freedesktop.org
[03:28] <bretzel> Quarupted: yes xorg is xserver alt based on XFree86 <4.4
[03:28] <siretart> Quarupted: no, xorg is the new upstream for ubuntu for the X11 server.
[03:29] <Quarupted> oh
[03:29] <Quarupted> can warty have 3ddesktop?
[03:29] <Stuttergart> y, evolution in hoary is hosed. :\
[03:29] <bretzel> Quarupted: yes 3ddesktop is there use synaptic
[03:30] <vitaminmoo> The single thing that I don't like about ubuntu so far is that it has no rolling release
[03:30] <bretzel> And go have a look at the ubuntu wiki - read about 3ddesktop tuning
[03:30] <vitaminmoo> Which isn't all that horrible
[03:31] <bretzel> dud: ?
[03:31] <Cam-> so thats happening with hoary and xorg?
[03:31] <Quarupted> dont see 3d desktop what is package name?
[03:32] <bebek> hello
[03:33] <Quarupted> ?
[03:33] <bretzel> Quarupted: wait I figure out if other apt source repo is needed in addition to the default sources for 3ddesktop
[03:33] <bebek> i tried to compile the kernel module for fglrx...but it complains that /usr/src/linux is not available (the kernel source). where should i get the kernel source for the one i'm using right now?
[03:33] <Quarupted> bretzel, what?
[03:33] <vitaminmoo> bbl
[03:34] <Quarupted> so no 3d desktop for warty?
[03:34] <bretzel> Quarupted: we can install 3ddesktop easy with apt-get but I can't say if the default sources repositries provides that package - wait...
[03:34] <Quarupted> ok
[03:36] <Quarupted> bretzel, ?
[03:37] <bretzel> Quarupted: To be sure that it works: fireup terminal console and do sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list   - to edit the sources file
[03:38] <bretzel> then add this line: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[03:38] <bretzel> and then also this line: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[03:38] <dud> hmm, isnt it possible to change theme in ubuntu gnome...?
[03:38] <Quarupted> okay
[03:39] <dud> nothing happens when i change it in the theme preferences
[03:39] <Quarupted> then just apt-get install 3ddesktop?
[03:39] <bebek> anyone has ever have to compile the ATI kernel module for ubuntu? or does everyone just use sudo apt-get fglrx-driver, and it works straight away? Coz mine doesn't work...
[03:40] <bretzel> Quarupted: yes if you want to use cmdline console but you can run synaptic which is really easy, and 3ddesktop appears at the beggining because of the alphabetic sorting of pkgs
[03:40] <LinuxJones> dud, thqt's q known problem
[03:40] <LinuxJones> argh bad typing skills
[03:40] <dud> s/q/a hehe
[03:40] <LinuxJones> t:P
[03:40] <dud> ok.... rather crap :o
[03:42] <linuxguy> question: I had issues running ubuntu because it failed to work with my adsl connection. Are these problems solved?
[03:42] <LinuxJones> linuxguy, what problem is that ? What kind of hardware do you have ?
[03:42] <linuxguy> sis900 eth
[03:43] <linuxguy> it simply does not work with dhcp. checked the forums, but noone with the same problem was given a sulotion there
[03:43] <linuxguy> *solution
[03:43] <LinuxJones> linuxguy, that card should be automatically found
[03:43] <bretzel> Quarupted: Oh! I forgot :  sudo apt-get update
[03:44] <linuxguy> but it did not. I have an official cd, and it does not work
[03:44] <LinuxJones> linuxguy, do you still have it installed ?
[03:44] <bretzel> Quarupted: To update the pkg lists from the added rops
[03:44] <linuxguy> no. I want to know if it works before I remove my current installation
[03:44] <LinuxJones> linuxguy, is it a usb adsl modem ?
[03:44] <linuxguy> no
[03:44] <linuxguy> works with every other distro except vida
[03:44] <Sav> How do i download mozilla-firefox 1.0 with apt-get? cant find it in synaptic
[03:45] <bretzel> Sav: apt-get upgrade
[03:45] <LinuxJones> linuxguy, that should be easy to get up and running, do you have internet access on another machine if you start the install ?
[03:45] <linuxguy> no
[03:45] <LinuxJones> bretzel, don't tell folks that
[03:45] <linuxguy> one 1 pc connected
[03:45] <LinuxJones> :D
[03:46] <bretzel> Linuxjones: why ? I did and got filefox 1.0
[03:46] <Sav> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:46] <LinuxJones> bretzel, your running Hoary though right ?
[03:46] <bretzel> No
[03:46] <LinuxJones> eh ?
[03:46] <bretzel> warty
[03:46] <linuxguy> I owuld suggest apt-get update
[03:46] <linuxguy> *would
[03:46] <linuxguy> and then try synaptic again
[03:46] <LinuxJones> bretzel, when did that get uploaded
[03:47] <linuxguy> LinuxJones: Suggestions?
[03:47] <bebek> why ftp://ftp.nerim.net gives me "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907"
[03:47] <bebek> when i do apt-get update
[03:47] <bebek> (i'm running hoary)
[03:48] <LinuxJones> bretzel, that kind of sucks you can't :(
[03:48] <linuxguy> bebek?
[03:48] <Sav> bretzel, do i have to add new sources to the source.list to be able to get mozilla ff v1.0 ?
[03:48] <linuxguy> what happens then?
[03:48] <bebek> linuxguy: yes?
[03:48] <bretzel> Linuxjones: Uploaded ??? I dunno, I have ran update and installaing unrelated pkg, before aplying, the no to be updated showed a couple of pkgs, and firefox 1.0 was there - two days ago
[03:48] <Sav> bretzel, if yes, what sources
[03:48] <bebek> linuxguy: nothing... i don't even know if that would affect anything
 when i do apt-get update
 (i'm running hoary)
[03:48] <linuxguy> you get a new package list
[03:49] <bebek> linuxguy: oh... read the message before, about "The following signature.. bla bla"
[03:49] <LinuxJones> bretzel, I only have 0.9.3
[03:49] <bretzel> I have universe, multiverse, marillat(test, unstable, ? )
[03:49] <linuxguy> ok
[03:49] <TW> i have enabled root user
[03:49] <TW> is it possible to disable it?
[03:49] <RU63> siretart: I got it to work... THANKS.... u mentioning that your girlfriend used the gnome menue...
[03:49] <RU63> is all it took
[03:50] <bretzel> Linuxjones: If you want I can flood the contents of my sources.list :-)
[03:50] <LinuxJones> bretzel, no that's ok :D
[03:50] <siretart> RU63: you're welcome
[03:50] <Demitar> Is there a way to use another debconf level when installing a specific package? (Or would I have to change the global debconf level temporarily?)
[03:51] <bretzel> :-) - sorry, I have also other unsupported repos but I don't think firefox 1.0 is from them :-)
[03:51] <RU63> siretart: i spent days trying to do it in terminal.... took a min in menu... DOH!
[03:51] <LinuxJones> bretzel, yes I am sure it's from another repo :D
[03:51] <siretart> Demitar: dpkg-reconfigure -plow <package>
[03:51] <bebek> i have to say i hate ATI Radeon & Linux.. can't configure it to work with ubuntu
[03:51] <bebek> so sad
[03:52] <bretzel> Quarupted: ?
[03:52] <Quarupted> yes?
[03:52] <LinuxJones> bebek, alot of folks with ATI are having some troubles right now
[03:52] <Quarupted> i got it but it messed up my screen
[03:52] <Demitar> siretart, yes, the problem was that the package would break unless I changed the option during package install.
[03:52] <siretart> Demitar: then preseed it
[03:53] <bretzel> Quarupted: Did you get 3ddesktop ? - Did you "sudo apt-get update" before apt-get install 3ddesktop ?
[03:53] <bebek> LinuxJones: i can't run fgl_glxgears.. it says "X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)".. and looking at /var/log/Xorg.log says that the kernel header are incompatible or something like that with fglrx
[03:54] <LinuxJones> bebek, are you running warty or hoary
[03:54] <bebek> LinuxJones: hoary
[03:54] <bretzel> Quarupted: It should not mess you screen!! I used it in previous ubuntu installation and it was running well - only missing steps to get it work full - Have a look at ubuntu wiki - but wait I will give you the url
[03:54] <LinuxJones> bebek, well vesa is always there :(
[03:54] <Demitar> siretart, and how would I do that in practice? Run dpkg-foo or edit some magic file?
[03:55] <klaym> is there somewhere a file with list of all programs that are started upon gnome startup?
[03:55] <bebek> LinuxJones: yeah i guess..... i even installed hoary just to try out if my Radeon will work with it, as daniels said.. but obviously it doesn't
[03:56] <bebek> LinuxJones: looking in internet, it seems that i need to compile the module for the kernel.. but I can't, since i don't have the kernel source for the kernel that hoary is running right now (i.e. i don't have /usr/src/linux/bla bla bla)
[03:56] <siretart> Demitar: thats quite advanced usage of debconf. install debconf-doc, look at the documentation, use google. sorry, its to long to explain it on irc
[03:56] <Demitar> siretart, either way, thanks. I solved it by dpkg-reconfigure debconf temporarily, but I would really prefer dpkg -p{}.
[03:56] <bebek> LinuxJones: do you know how I can get the /usr/src/linux/bla bla bla) ?
[03:56] <LinuxJones> bebek, you will be looking for linux-source
[03:57] <bebek> LinuxJones: i downloaded it
[03:57] <LinuxJones> bebek, ok cd /usr/src
[03:57] <hou5ton> i downloaded the Ubuntu cd, and it "starts" to install, but locks up at about the third step, i.e. choosing the language
[03:57] <bretzel> Quarupted: Here the URL:http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/3ddesktopHowto/view?searchterm=3ddesktop
[03:57] <bebek> LinuxJones: but while compiling, it complains that /usr/src/linux/include/version.h is not available.
[03:57] <hou5ton> any ideas?
[03:57] <LinuxJones> bebek, ok cd /usr/src
[03:57] <quarupted> why wont X-Chat remeber my nick?
[03:57] <hou5ton> i've burned it twice, .... same thing
[03:57] <bebek> LinuxJones: ok.. then?
[03:57] <LinuxJones> bebek, then do ls -al
[03:58] <bebek> then?
[03:58] <bebek> i have directory "linux" there
[03:58] <bretzel> Quarupted: Here the URL:http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/3ddesktopHowto/view?searchterm=3ddesktop
[03:58] <LinuxJones> bebek, you should see the kernel source filename ends with .bz2
[03:58] <bebek> LinuxJones: ehheeh i already decompressed it
[03:58] <LinuxJones> bebek, ok rm linux
[03:58] <pjalajas> sorry, newbie here, needing help troubleshooting a modem irq or io conflict
[03:59] <bebek> LinuxJones: rm it??? could you tell me what you are going to do?
[03:59] <LinuxJones> bebek, then do ln -s linux-source-directory linux
[03:59] <siretart> pjalajas: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingIRQProblems
[03:59] <LinuxJones> bebek, you have to change the link to the new source
[03:59] <bebek> ok....
[03:59] <pjalajas> wow, that was quick, thanks, I'll check it out.
[03:59] <LinuxJones> bebek, linux is just a link (pointer) to another file/directory
[03:59] <bebek> LinuxJones: but the one from linux-source_blalbalbal.bz2 doesn't have /include/version.h
[04:00] <bebek> LinuxJones: and that's required while compiling the kernel module for ATI
[04:00] <LinuxJones> bebek, did you decompress the linux-source ?
[04:00] <bebek> LinuxJones: yes
[04:00] <LinuxJones> bebek, so you did tar xfjv linux-source-2.6-whatever ?
[04:00] <bebek> yessss
[04:01] <bebek> linux-source-2.6.10
[04:01] <bebek> but uname -a  shows "2.6.8.1-4"
[04:01] <LinuxJones> bebek, ok so do ls -al does the linux link point to the decompressed source directory ?
[04:01] <bebek> is that ok?
[04:01] <LinuxJones> bebek, no
[04:01] <bebek> hmmmm
[04:02] <klaym> on firefox, how do I give my account and password for going to my ftp server?
[04:02] <bebek> LinuxJones: what should i do to get kernel 2.6.10 ?
[04:02] <bebek> LinuxJones: i did apt-get update; apt-get upgrade, but the kernel didn't get updated
[04:03] <LinuxJones> bebek, you can run synaptic and search for linux-image
[04:03] <LinuxJones> bebek, or from command line do apt-cache search kernel-image | grep 2.6
[04:04] <LinuxJones> bebek, does your video card run in Warty ?
[04:05] <bretzel> hmmm 3ddesktop is running really well :-) but the screen freq has slowed now
[04:05] <bebek> LinuxJones: there's a lot of 2.6 there.. but they don't say if it is 2.6.10 or anything... the one that has three figures are only 2.6.8 and 2.6.9
[04:06] <bebek> LinuxJones: nope.. i have to use vesa in Warty
[04:06] <LinuxJones> bebek, I don't run Hoary sorry :(
[04:07] <BockBilbo> anyone here has tried wifi radar i ubuntu???
[04:07] <BockBilbo> http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/
[04:07] <BockBilbo> ?
[04:09] <bebek> ok... if uname -a says that i have 2.6.8, it is safe to remove /lib/modules/2.6.10 right?
[04:09] <Cred> Hello
[04:09] <wezzer> hello
[04:10] <Cred> I have a brand new Samsung TFT here but I don't know the correct values for it to the xorg.conf
[04:10] <Cred> +spelling etc.
[04:10] <Cred> Anyhow, I know the recommended resolution for this and the Hz. How do I know what to put to xorg.conf?
[04:11] <LinuxJones> bebek, if your not planning on running 2.6.10 yes
[04:11] <bebek> htx
[04:11] <bebek> thx
[04:11] <bebek> now booting to 2.6.10
[04:11] <BockBilbo> obyeee
[04:12] <Mitario> hey guys
[04:12] <LinuxJones> Cred, check the manual that came with your screen to see what it can handle or check the manufacturers website
[04:13] <Mitario> anyone knows of the problem about not able to access smb shares via nautilus, but with smbclient it works?
[04:13] <bramz> somebody speak spanish??
[04:13] <LinuxJones> bramz, #ubuntu-es
[04:14] <bramz> thanks!!!
[04:14] <LinuxJones> :)
[04:15] <bebek> LinuxJones: i'm running 2.6.10 now... and i have the /usr/src/linux set to point to /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10
[04:15] <LinuxJones> bebek, ok did you try loading the module in that kernel ?
[04:15] <bebek> wait
[04:15] <bebek> there is something
[04:15] <bebek> wait
[04:15] <bebek> i'll tell you later
[04:16] <bebek> hmmm
[04:16] <irbdavid> hiya, can anyone give me any pointers how to fix my sound - it's kinda crackly when other thing sare going on on the screen, eg mouse moving etc
[04:17] <bebek> something strange
[04:17] <bebek> i can compile the module, but can't make install it
[04:19] <im_ka> hi
[04:20] <im_ka> could someone help me set up a new hd?
[04:20] <im_ka> i'm having troubles with all partition tools. im trying parted, and it keeps telling me "Error: Unable to open /dev/hdc - unrecognised disk label." whatever i try to do
[04:21] <im_ka> i'm having troubles with all partition tools. im trying parted, and it keeps telling me "Error: Unable to open /dev/hdc - unrecognised disk label." whatever i try to do
[04:21] <LinuxJones> im_ka, where do you physically have the new drive connected too ?
[04:21] <collusion> does anyone here use ubuntu on a laptop?  i think postfix's chrooted /etc/resolv.conf doesn't get updated when the address of my wireless card changes.  is there some mechanism that's supposed to update that?
[04:22] <im_ka> LinuxJones, it's ide1 i think. in my mobile rack
[04:22] <im_ka> Information: The operating system thinks the geometry on /dev/hdc is
[04:22] <im_ka> 9727/255/63.  Therefore, cylinder 1024 ends at 8032.499M.
[04:22] <im_ka> 9727/255/63.  Therefore, cylinder 1024 ends at 8032.499M.
[04:22] <beowulf_> hello all
[04:22] <im_ka> sorry for the flood
[04:24] <im_ka> LinuxJones, first i need to create a disklabel, right?
[04:24] <ssam> is there a way to see a changelog in synaptic?
[04:25] <LinuxJones> fdisk /dev/hdc then type m + enter
[04:27] <beowulf_> can anyone help me with installing a modem with ubuntu
[04:30] <MasTinoX2> hi
[04:32] <MasTinoX2> can anybody help me with this
[04:32] <MasTinoX2> Linux tokyo-ubuntu 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Thu Nov 18 11:47:33 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux but
[04:32] <MasTinoX2> if i do a  apt-cache search kernel-source
[04:32] <MasTinoX2> kernel-source-2.2.25 - Linux kernel source for version 2.2.25
[04:32] <MasTinoX2> kernel-source-2.4.24 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.24 with Debian patches
[04:32] <MasTinoX2> kernel-source-2.4.25 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.25 with Debian patches
[04:32] <MasTinoX2> kernel-source-2.4.26 - Linux kernel source for version 2.4.26 with Debian patches
[04:32] <MasTinoX2> kernel-source-2.6.5 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.5 with Debian patches
[04:32] <AzMoo> Does ubuntu come with a news reader?
[04:32] <MasTinoX2> kernel-source-2.6.6 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.6 with Debian patches
[04:32] <MasTinoX2> kernel-source-2.6.7 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.7 with Debian patches
[04:32] <MasTinoX2> MasTinoX2 :(
[04:32] <MasTinoX2> how can i get the same version
[04:32] <MasTinoX2> ?
[04:33] <ssam> azmoo thunderbird
[04:33] <LinuxJones> AzMoo, yeah pan
[04:33] <AzMoo> ssam, duh, of course. Thanks.
[04:33] <MasTinoX2> strange i don,t have the same kernel to download
[04:34] <benjami> hi
[04:34] <benjami> if i try to mount an logical ntfs partition my system freezes (hoary)
[04:34] <sanochaor> hola
[04:35] <godsmoke> benjami: by 'freezes' do you mean kernel panic?
[04:35] <sppt> hi
[04:35] <sppt> i need help!
[04:35] <lerio> hi eberybody. has evolution been deleted from the list of hoary's standard packages?
[04:35] <benjami> godsmoke, i can do nothing...
[04:35] <benjami> the screen freezes
[04:35] <godsmoke> benjami: that's not very clear -- don't do this in a gui -- go to a tty, and do it, so we know ...
[04:35] <sppt> whats the site for synaptic to install things like irc clients?
[04:36] <zido> what file should i "apt-get" to get a MySQL server to work with apache?
[04:36] <benjami> godsmoke, yeah the same
[04:36] <LinuxJones> MasTinoX2, search for linux-source & linux-image
[04:36] <godsmoke> sppt: site? -- there are irc clients in the ubuntu repositories -- and one installed -- xchat
[04:36] <sppt> i need amsn installed
[04:36] <godsmoke> zido: I belive it's mysql-server
[04:36] <lerio> hi everybody. has evolution been deleted from the list of hoary's standard packages?
[04:36] <godsmoke> sppt: well -- did you check if it's in the repository?
[04:37] <sppt> no
[04:37] <zido> okie
[04:37] <godsmoke> sppt: why not?
[04:37] <sppt> dunno where to find
[04:37] <godsmoke> zido: just open synaptic, and do a name search for "mysql"
[04:37] <bebek> LinuxJones: are you there???
[04:37] <LinuxJones> bebek, for about another 2 mins :)
[04:38] <LinuxJones> bebek, how did you get along ?
[04:38] <bebek> LinuxJones: I'm happy!! it works now!!!!
[04:38] <LinuxJones> sweet :)
[04:38] <bebek> LinuxJones: hehehehe
[04:38] <bebek> LinuxJones: i guess i will write guide for this...
[04:38] <daniels> bebek: quack
[04:38] <bebek> daniels!!!!
[04:38] <bebek> hehehehe
[04:38] <sppt> where is the repository?
[04:38] <bebek> how do you know that bebek is duck?
[04:38] <godsmoke> sppt: huh?
[04:39] <LinuxJones> bebek, put it on the wiki
[04:39] <daniels> dapat berbahasa indo
[04:39] <bebek> i will
[04:39] <bebek> ooooo
[04:39] <bebek> hehehe
[04:39] <bebek> on the weekend at least
[04:39] <bebek> not now.. since i have assignment due this friday. ehhehehe
[04:39] <MasTinoX2> LinuxJones, can find this linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386
[04:39] <klaym> sudo chown -R root:root <- what exactly happens there?
[04:39] <MasTinoX2> but for the sources this
[04:39] <zido> godsmoke: i did, but there was a looot of packages, one to work with apache2, but since i'm running 1.x.xx it wouldn't help :p
[04:39] <bebek> thx linuxjones
[04:40] <LinuxJones> bebek, :)
[04:40] <godsmoke> zido: right -- but that's not mysql-server
[04:40] <MasTinoX2> root@tokyo-ubuntu:/home/rafa/MyDownloads/fsam7400-0.4.0 # apt-cache search linux-source
[04:40] <MasTinoX2> linux-patch-debian-2.6.8.1 - Debian patches to Linux 2.6.8.1
[04:40] <MasTinoX2> linux-source-2.6.8.1 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.8.1 with Debian patches
[04:40] <MasTinoX2> is this valid ?
[04:40] <godsmoke> MasTinoX2: what do you mean, valid?
[04:40] <LinuxJones> MasTinoX2, you need to compile a module or something ?
[04:40] <MasTinoX2> yes LinuxJones
[04:41] <LinuxJones> MasTinoX2, for what device ?
[04:41] <MasTinoX2> need to compile
[04:41] <bebek> good night everyone
[04:41] <bebek> i'm in a happy mood
[04:41] <bebek> hehehe
[04:41] <LinuxJones> bebek, cya
[04:41] <bebek> bye
[04:41] <MasTinoX2> fsam7400-0.4.0 it is a http://rfswitch.sourceforge.net/
[04:42] <sanochaor> alguien habla castellano
[04:42] <MasTinoX2> so that i can but my wifi to work
[04:42] <MasTinoX2> yo
[04:42] <MasTinoX2> :P
[04:42] <sanochaor> jejej
[04:42] <MasTinoX2> LinuxJones, need the sources no ?
[04:42] <sanochaor> estoy intentando configurar mi Compact Scan Usb de Trust y no hay coj......
[04:42] <godsmoke> MasTinoX2: depends on which card you have
[04:43] <godsmoke> MasTinoX2: which card do you have?
[04:43] <MasTinoX2> ok it is a PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04)
[04:43] <LinuxJones> MasTinoX2, what kind of wifi card do you have ?
[04:43] <LinuxJones> nm
[04:45] <phillix> anyone know how I get the System Configuration -> Screen Resolutioon wizard to recognize new resolutions that a newly connected monitor can handle?
[04:45] <godsmoke> that's not what the screen resolution chooser is for
[04:45] <godsmoke> it's not a wizard
[04:45] <LinuxJones> MasTinoX2, so the card works but you need some additional functionality ?
[04:45] <Ferry> anyone else having usb troubles after upgrading to current hoary
[04:46] <MasTinoX2> yes LinuxJones
[04:46] <MasTinoX2> need to install that module but then i get that error
[04:46] <phillix> what is the screen resolution chooser for?
[04:47] <MasTinoX2> so to compile i need the kernel sources right ?
[04:47] <godsmoke> to choose between resolutions that have been configured in the x11 config
[04:47] <phillix> i have tried adding new modes to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 but they dont appear in the chooser
[04:47] <godsmoke> probably because you didn't do it correctly
[04:48] <phillix> well I added the new mode to the beginning of each line where other modes are defined. do you have any other suggestions?
[04:48] <JammyB> could anyone spare 5 mins to help a newb get going with getting a C/C++ dev environment up and running please?
[04:48] <godsmoke> phillix: did you restart x?
[04:48] <phillix> yes
[04:48] <LinuxJones> MasTinoX2, what does uname -r output ?
[04:48] <godsmoke> JammyB: just install gcc
[04:48] <MasTinoX2> 2.6.8.1-3-386
[04:48] <LinuxJones> JammyB, apt-get install build-essential
[04:49] <godsmoke> phillix: then you should run xfree86 config
[04:49] <phillix> i'll try that
[04:49] <JammyB> I've installed gcc using the packet manager, I can't seem to find how to run the thing!
[04:49] <collusion> you type 'gcc' at the command line?
[04:50] <JammyB> I used the synpatic package manager and installed gcc3.3 I think
[04:50] <JammyB> yet it doesn't appear in the menus
[04:50] <godsmoke> ...
[04:50] <JammyB> oh hang on, I might be very stupid
[04:50] <godsmoke> it's not graphical -- it's not supposed to appear in the menus
[04:50] <collusion> gcc isn't an ide, it's a compiler.
[04:50] <Martok> Does gcc link the source code too?
[04:50] <Martok> Or isn't it called "ld"?
[04:50] <Martok> The linker.
[04:51] <JammyB> ah I see now. what's the best ide to use with it?
[04:51] <JammyB> sorry for my idiocy, first time and that..
[04:51] <Martok> I've never used an IDE with gcc on Linux.
[04:52] <Bilbainan> Hi!
[04:52] <Martok> Hello.
[04:52] <Bilbainan> :D
[04:52] <Martok> ;[
[04:53] <Martok> What's up?
[04:53] <ssam> jammyb, depends what you want to do, if you are learning writing code in a text editor like gedit is a good place to start
[04:53] <JammyB> what about emacs or vim? are they just text editors then? I don't think I'd manage without something like visual studio or bloodshed
[04:53] <Bilbainan> XD
[04:53] <RU63> HI,  new problem - cd won't mount in new user.  Only in the first user
[04:53] <Martok> I just use vim myself.
[04:53] <scizzo> JammyB: anjuta?
[04:54] <Bilbainan> can someone explain me why if i install k3b in hoary, the kde control panel appears in the application menu of gnome?
[04:54] <scizzo> mono for .NET stuff?
[04:54] <JammyB> ah cheers those look like the type of things
[04:54] <Martok> Wasn't k3b made for KDE?
[04:54] <Bilbainan> yes
[04:55] <biezt> anybody here knows vsftpd and can help me make it run ?
[04:55] <Bilbainan> but... i thought the kde menus where different from gnome's
[04:55] <Bilbainan> :S
[04:55] <JammyB> ok thanks all, I'll have a go with those. cheers, bye
[04:56] <ssam> bilbainan, in theory they use the same system these days
[04:56] <Martok> I'm not experinced with KDE.
[04:56] <Bilbainan> ssam, which system?
[04:56] <Bilbainan> how is it called?
[04:57] <ssam> freedesktop.org
[04:57] <Bilbainan> oh.. and thats why in hoary the applications:// menu has dissapeared?
[04:57] <biezt> can anyone help me ?
[04:58] <pe7er> biezt: hey, i've been looking into that, too. although i haven't started it yet, but its on my todo list
[04:58] <ssam> is cups working in hoary at the moment?
[04:59] <pe7er> biezt: what is your specific problem? guess we could 'join forces' for that.
[05:00] <biezt> i understand nothing of vsftpd
[05:00] <biezt> and linux :P
[05:00] <Bilbainan> ssam, and is it possible to remove those kde control links from the menu?
[05:01] <pe7er> biezt: guess its all started through inetd
[05:01] <ssam> probably, but you may have to edit text fiels to do it
[05:02] <biezt> i know it runs, but what's my adress and what is the login :P
[05:02] <biezt> where can i find those ?
[05:02] <ssam> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fmenu_2dspec
[05:02] <pe7er> biezt: can enlighten you with some basics. in debian based systems all config files are in /etc/, more specifcally in /etc/<packagename>
[05:03] <biezt> k tnx
[05:03] <scizzo> pe7er: ?
[05:03] <pe7er> wrong?
[05:03] <scizzo> pe7er: most of them are
[05:03] <scizzo> not all
[05:03] <pe7er> ok
[05:04] <pjalajas> I'm back.  DebuggingIRQProblems didn't help.  I see Kernel panic:  Fatal exception in interrupt.  Call Trace includes mentions of ltmodem ltserial do_softirq d_IRQ
[05:04] <scizzo> its the number one place to look for configurations for the whole system
[05:04] <pjalajas> that's after running "wvdialconf test"
[05:05] <pe7er> biezt: however, all docs are supposed to be in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> ... if they are compressed, you can view them by "zcat <filename>|less"
[05:05] <sladen> pjalajas: it's a binary driver.  There's not a great deal you can do except copmlain to the manufactuer and try to pursude them to release a source-based one that can actually be fixed
[05:05] <pe7er> scizzo: of course. i tried to make things simple as i hoped vsftpd keeps its configs there
[05:05] <pjalajas> that's the ltserial ltmodem that's binary?
[05:05] <pe7er> scizzo: however, it doesn't seem alike
[05:06] <biezt> pe7er is right !~
[05:07] <Bilbainan> byeee
[05:14] <pjalajas> cat /proc/interrupts lists ltserial, uhci_hcd on irq 10.  Is that my problem and can I remove the uhci one (I only need the modem at this point.
[05:17] <tuxer> http://www.ubuntu-es.org/node/view/1389
[05:20] <SePpiK> why doesn't run my WLan with WEP? It runs without WEP!!! Have anyone an Idea
[05:21] <SePpiK> I have an Intel Wireless pro 2100
[05:22] <snowblink> SePpiK: enable in your AP?
[05:22] <SePpiK> yes
[05:24] <SePpiK> when I disable it in my AP, and i disable it in /etc/network/interface it runs
[05:26] <snowblink> SePpiK: you've added the key to your interface?
[05:28] <SePpiK> yes, it is in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:36] <jono> if I dist-upgrade now, will I be spared the metacity bug?
[05:37] <njs> 12345
[05:37] <njs> oops
[05:37] <njs12345> I'm trying to follow the beagle tutorial
[05:37] <njs12345> I keep getting a System.NullReferenceException at Beagle.Daemon:SetupLog
[05:42] <jazzka> what happened to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ ??
[05:42] <jazzka> is no more available?
[05:42] <Stew2> Where are the ISO's? Whenever I go to look for current ISO's of Ubuntu Hoary, all I find is .gz files.
[05:42] <pe7er> biezt: have you found out where to define the ftp root directories?
[05:45] <[DA] Cobra> hi is there any one here who can help instal ubuntu
[05:48] <bitfoo> hi
[05:48] <crimsun> [DA] Cobra: what sort of issues are you having?
[05:48] <crimsun> 'lo bitfoo
[05:49] <bitfoo> i had a quick question.  is there a wireless network browser similar to the windows one or the one that intel provides?
[05:49] <bitfoo> or do i have to input all the information manually
[05:50] <xet7> Hi, how do I install Gnoppix to hard drive?
[05:51] <pybe> xet7: with Knoppix its hd_install ithink
[05:51] <pw> Good afternoon, my Ubuntan friends.
[05:51] <QT> hi! trying to install ubuntu from CD and it fails installing the base-files package. can the CD be corrupt?
[05:51] <pybe> xet7: in a terminal try hd<tab><tab> or see if there is a menu item or somethign
[05:52] <pybe> QT yes the cd can me corrupt
[05:52] <pybe> s/me/be
[05:52] <QT> damn
[05:52] <QT> pybe: then i should probably try another one of the set
[05:52] <pybe-lappy> QT: did you check the md5sums on the iso?
[05:52] <QT> pybe: i received 10 CDs via mail order
[05:52] <pybe-lappy> QT: ahh
[05:52] <QT> no ISO involved!
[05:53] <pybe-lappy> QT: try the other 9 =)
[05:53] <[DA] Cobra> hello can some one please help me
[05:53] <QT> i received them thru mail and gave them to collegues. the 1st collegue has now this issue
[05:53] <bitfoo> :(
[05:53] <QT> pybe-lappy: ok, next week then, when i have been home again to get another one
[05:53] <crypticreign> evolution is gone.. and when i try to apt-get it i get   evolution: Depends: libcamel1.2-1 (>= 1.1.3) but it is not installable
[05:53] <QT> another collegue has a different problem. when d-i comes up the screen is flickering like hell
[05:53] <crypticreign> ugh, here i come into work and its dissapeared
[05:54] <pybe-lappy> QT: do a google, cause some cd drives can be weird i remember something about booting with nocddma or soethin
[05:54] <pybe-lappy> QT: try booting with nofb
[05:54] <pybe-lappy> QT: nofb for the flicker thing
[05:54] <QT> ok. trying to remember now everything :-)
[05:54] <QT> pybe: understood! :-)
[05:55] <QT> pybe: the problem with the CD happens on a VMware install. maybe that's the reason!?
[05:55] <pybe-lappy> QT: i think the wiki should have info on install cheat codes some where
[05:55] <pybe-lappy> QT: could be
[05:55] <QT> will check that
[05:55] <Ferry> were there any big acpi related changes in the last couple of days
[05:56] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  Is usplash still planned for hoary?
[05:59] <pybe-lappy> is there a way to list available wifi access points in linux
[06:00] <QT> pybe-lappy: iwlist [iface]  scan
[06:00] <[DA] Cobra> hi guys i have windows os but i want to have ubuntu as well but if install on anouther drive can i choose on startup whic i want win or linux
[06:00] <QT> [DA] Cobra: yes, you can
[06:01] <QT> ubuntu will install Grub boot loader and let you choose between your current OS and ubuntu
[06:01] <pybe-lappy> QT: "Failed to read scan data : Operation not supported" i guess thats not supported in the driver then?
[06:01] <[DA] Cobra> so i just instal ubuntu on anouther phisical dirve
[06:01] <[DA] Cobra> or can it be a partision
[06:01] <crypticreign> evolution is gone.. when i apt-get it says  evolution: Depends: libcamel1.2-1 (>= 1.1.3) but it is not installable
[06:01] <QT> pybe-lappy: what card?
[06:01] <pybe-lappy> QT: intersil prism2
[06:02] <QT> [DA] Cobra: can be either
[06:02] <pybe-lappy> QT: dell 1200 or something
[06:02] <QT> pybe-lappy: hmm, never dealt with these
[06:03] <QT> pybe-lappy: i know some cards need to be UP before scanning. so try "ifconfig <iface> up" and then scan again
[06:03] <pybe-lappy> QT: its up and connected at the moment
[06:04] <QT> pybe-lappy: sorry, no idea and gotta go now calling it a day :-)
[06:04] <ficusplanet> pybe-lappy, I have a card that uses the prism2 drivers, as well (a Linksys WPC11 Ver. 3), and it does not support scan.
[06:04] <pybe-lappy> QT: i just wanted to test the overlaps of some of my access points with something like xps show available networks thing
[06:04] <QT> maybe later......
[06:04] <pybe-lappy> QT: tks
[06:04] <QT> pybe-lappy: and thanks again for suggestions! will try them!
[06:04] <pybe-lappy> ficusplanet: thought as much
[06:04] <zido> is there any way to get Apache with PHP support with "apt-get", or anybody know any good tutorials to install PHP on a Apache server?
[06:05] <ficusplanet> zido, apache 1 or 2?
[06:05] <zido> 1
[06:08] <ficusplanet> zido, I think you just need to apt-get install apache php4
[06:08] <ficusplanet> zido, if you go into synaptic, though, you can just browse all the php packages to add mysql support, etc.
[06:09] <zido> but i can't find for Apache 1, just apache2
[06:10] <ficusplanet> zido, do you have the universe repository in your sources.list?
[06:11] <zido> think so
[06:11] <zido> where was the file again? :p
[06:12] <ficusplanet> zido, you can just go into synaptic and go to settings->repositories.  Make sure you've checked the lines with universe in the sections.
[06:12] <zido> yep
[06:12] <zido> i have
[06:13] <ficusplanet> Have you updated your sources since then (clicked reload in synaptic or run apt-get update)?
[06:14] <zido> yes
[06:14] <ficusplanet> Then the package you need should just be called apache.
[06:14] <zido> i think i found it
[06:16] <HauntedUnix> How do i get loopback mounting working in Ubuntu (Warty)
[06:16] <HappyFool> sudo modprobe loop
[06:16] <HappyFool> then mount -o loop <etc> as usual
[06:17] <HauntedUnix> Ooer. didn't even think to look for an existing module - was thinking I'd have to compile one
[06:17] <HauntedUnix> THanks, HappyFool.
[06:17] <tjatja> hi,
[06:18] <tjatja> how do I install network in a TEXTbased ubuntu server system+
[06:22] <ficusplanet> tjatja, What do you mean by install network?
[06:23] <tjatja> Nice,
[06:24] <scaroo_> hi ppl ! i cannot find any python mode for emacs in the repos, am i blind ?
[06:25] <tjatja> I have installed a 'custom' ubuntu and it did not configure the network interface with a static address, netowrk name, etc. How do I put the right informatin in whatever config fiels, or is there a textbased script/program to install network info?
[06:25] <HappyFool> scaroo_: i see a python-mode
[06:26] <HappyFool> apt-cache --names-only search python-mode
[06:26] <scaroo_> forget about that, it was just in front of my eyes :s
[06:26] <scaroo_> HappyFool, thx
[06:27] <duzchip> ))
[06:27] <duzchip> ))
[06:33] <direwolf> anyone know how to gaim to see new installed plugins?
[06:33] <ficusplanet> tjatja, I'm not exactly sure how to make your settings permanent from the CLI, but you can get it working for this session at least by running "sudo /sbin/ifconfig eth0 xx.xxx.xxx.xxx up" where xx.xxx.xxx.xxx is your desired ip address.  Or you can run "sudo /sbin/dhclient eth0"
[06:33] <Neill> edit the file /etc/network/interfaces
[06:34] <Neill> which allows you to define ip addresses
[06:34] <Neill> and other network settings.
[06:34] <beetlebum> hi all! is there a gui for setting up services? i want hdparm to run by default, and some other things
[06:34] <bitfoo> is there a wireless network browser :|
[06:35] <ficusplanet> bitfoo, If you in hoary, netapplet should be in the universe repository.  If you aren't you can install the debian sid packages for netapplet and wireless-tools
[06:35] <direwolf> I have 2 wireless cards in my laptop, one is defined as eth1 and the other wifi0
[06:35] <direwolf> I do find out which piece of physical hardware is assigned to each
[06:35] <klaym> experiences on bluetooth connection to a Nokia phone on Ubuntu?
[06:36] <tjatja> THANKS! I think I have enough info to set up the network!!!
[06:36] <bitfoo> oh cool ficusplanet
[06:36] <bitfoo> i have wireless tools installed
[06:36] <bitfoo> dunno about netapplet
[06:36] <meepsa02> BITCHES AND HOES
[06:36] <ficusplanet> bitfoo, Are you in hoary or warty?
[06:36] <meepsa02> HOARY?
[06:36] <meepsa02> hoary?
[06:36] <meepsa02> is that new?
[06:37] <uid_zer0> anyone's having the new Evolution crashing right after it launches?
[06:37] <ficusplanet> meepsa02, It's the development branch of Ubuntu.
[06:37] <bitfoo> i am in warty
[06:37] <bitfoo> maybe i should try hoary?
[06:37] <beetlebum> is there a gui for setting up services and runlevels? i want hdparm to run by default, and some other things
[06:38] <pepsi> warty, hoary, and grumpy.. all qualities of a bad date
[06:38] <ficusplanet> bitfoo, You may run into some problems doing that - YMMV.  You might just want to install the debian packages of netapplet and wireless-tools (you need 0.27).
[06:38] <klaym> is hoary stable enough to try out? is it faster than warty?
[06:39] <kent> uid_zer0, my evolution (hoary, newly upgraded) works.
[06:39] <ficusplanet> klaym, I've been running it for over a month and haven't had problems
[06:39] <Sorcerer> hi
[06:39] <klaym> ficusplanet: ok
[06:39] <ficusplanet> bitfoo, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/netapplet
[06:39] <pw> beetlebum: Ubuntu doesn't use runlevels, at least not in the way you're probably thinking of.
[06:40] <ficusplanet> bitfoo, And this: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/wireless-tools
[06:40] <beetlebum> pw, so how do i enable certain services to run? what does ubuntu use/where can i get more info?
[06:40] <bitfoo> ok
[06:41] <pw> beetlebum: You generally just install stuff and enable it in its config file. Look in /etc/init.d to see what runs.
[06:41] <meepsa02> where do i get hoary
[06:41] <beetlebum> pw, thanks. so everything in /etc/init.d runs by default
[06:41] <pw> beetlebum: Also look in /etc/defaults for your service parameters
[06:41] <beetlebum> ?
[06:41] <pw> beetlebum: yes
[06:41] <beetlebum> pw, ok cool, i'll check it out. ta
[06:41] <uid_zer0> kent, hmm.. it throws "** ERROR **: Not enough memory to set up DBusConnection for use with GLib" at my face with a dirty crash
[06:41] <HappyFool> err, i thought the symbolic links from /etc/rc?.d determined what in /etc/init.d runs / doesn't run
[06:42] <pw> HappyFool: Well, yes, but the simple solution is to look in /etc/init.d; given that we run in runlevel 2, and everything that's in runlevel 2 runs, one might as well look in /etc/init.d
[06:43] <bitfoo> how can i tell what my latest wireless tools is :O
[06:44] <bitfoo> oh i have 26+27pre22 ficusplanet :|
[06:44] <NanoTek> KiKoo !!
[06:45] <ficusplanet> bitfoo, Yeah, that's why you need the debian package
[06:45] <bitfoo> is it jsut deb package.deb to install?
[06:46] <ficusplanet> sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[06:46] <bitfoo> k
[06:46] <ficusplanet> bitfoo, This is what netapplet will give you: http://www.thecardinal1978.com/GNOME/netapplet.png
[06:47] <bitfoo> yah thats what i want :D
[06:47] <klaym> Should I expect some data loss or broken applications when upgrading from Warty to Hoary?
[06:47] <ficusplanet> klaym, You may have a few broken applications, but I don't think there is much of a chance for data loss.
[06:48] <phillix> i just connected a new monitor that can do higher resolutions than my old one. I edited /etc/X11/XF86Config and set new modes, but still the screen resolution chooser does not let me select the higher res. any ideas?
[06:48] <bonlamicq> help about how make a modem call connection for internet like windows connection
[06:49] <ficusplanet> phillix, did you change the refresh rates of the monitor as well as the resolution?
[06:49] <Stew2> Where are the current ISO's for Hoary located? I look them up and always find .gz files instead.
[06:49] <phillix> yes, i copied the refresh rates from the monitors docs
[06:50] <Stew2> Lingual question What is the name of a command which has been out-dated?
[06:50] <ficusplanet> Did you edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or just /etc/X11/XF86Config
[06:50] <bitfoo> whats dpkg command to install dependencies as well
[06:50] <jaco> hi all
[06:50] <phillix> sorry, my typo, there is only a XF86Config-4
[06:50] <jaco> good evening
[06:50] <[Phaedrus] > hello boys!
[06:50] <[Phaedrus] > :)
[06:51] <ficusplanet> bitfoo, Just install them one at a time or do "dpkg -i filename.deb filename2.deb ..."
[06:51] <phillix> Stew: ftp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/hoary/array-3/
[06:52] <farruinn> bitfoo: if you use apt you won't have to worry... otherwise put everything you want installed into one directory and do sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[06:53] <bitfoo> i think i got them all installed
[06:53] <Stew2> phillix thanks
[06:53] <bitfoo> how do i get them to show up :O
[06:53] <bitfoo> the browser i mean
[06:53] <ficusplanet> bitfoo, just run netapplet
[06:53] <farruinn> Stew2: deprecated?
[06:53] <tritium> ficusplanet, I'm glad you pointed netapplet out.  I was thinking only NetworkMonitor had that functionality.
[06:53] <bitfoo> oh but you have leave the console open?
[06:53] <whiprush> fabbione: the mini.iso dated the 21st is the latest for sparc right?
[06:54] <phillix> hey ficusplanet, any other thoughts on my res issue?? i'm stumped here...
[06:54] <farruinn> bitfoo: try [command] &
[06:54] <ficusplanet> bitfoo, if you go to Computer>>Preferences>>Sessions, you can add netapplet to your startup programs and it will run whenever you log in.
[06:54] <farruinn> that will put it in the background so you can close the terminal
[06:54] <farruinn> ^^^ but that's a better idea =)
[06:54] <bitfoo> oh cool o_O
[06:54] <ficusplanet> phillix, could you post your xf86config-4 somewhere on the Web?
[06:54] <bitfoo> im gonna log out and try it brb :D
[06:55] <phillix> ok, hang on
[06:56] <Susu> Hello
[06:57] <klaym> should I delete all warty-related from sources.list when upgrading to hoary? ubuntuguide only tells me to replace only warty universe and warty security. should I do the same for multiverse, backports etc?
[06:57] <erGoline> Why my sis630 + LCD works just at 800x600? :((
[06:58] <ficusplanet> klaym, Yes, replace every instance of warty with hoary.
[06:58] <klaym> ok thanks
[06:58] <Susu> I've got pretty stupid problem with booting into Ubuntu
[06:58] <ficusplanet> Susu, What's the problem?
[06:59] <uid_zer0> the chain joining a chair and a keyboard
[06:59] <uid_zer0> heh
[06:59] <Stew2> phillix is there a location online of floppy images? I've got two machines running windows at a location. They are both on a 600 kbps internet connection. I want to image a couple of floppies and do an over-the-network install. What say you?
[06:59] <Susu> ficusplanet: Ubuntu is on /dev/hda10 but whatever I try, it ends in a kernel panic
[06:59] <phillix> Stew2: I dunno about floppies, sorry
[06:59] <Susu> ficusplanet: Normally "kernel (hd0,9)/boot/vmlinuz initrd (hd0,9)/boot/initrd.img root=/dev/hda10 ro" should do, shouldn't it?
[07:00] <spiral> hi
[07:00] <spiral> I've got a problem with my modules...
[07:00] <alastairpoole> Has anyone had any success installing ubuntu on the G5.  I noticed a kernel patch online, but its vague as crap. Any ideas?
[07:00] <spiral> while booting, I got a lot of messages telling me modprobe syntax...
[07:00] <spiral> on hoary freshly updated
[07:00] <farruinn> Stew2: afaik there is no ubuntu floppy install, although you could install debian with floppies then "upgrade" to ubuntu
[07:00] <spiral> what should I do ?
[07:01] <Stew2> farruinn Is that fairly easy? Like do I run apt-get or something?
[07:01] <pe7er> alastairpoole: a lot of the building is done on xserves... or did you run into troubles?
[07:01] <Stew2> ftp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/installer-i386/current/images/ Why do folders like these have GZ files and no images?
[07:01] <zido> on "./configure --with-mysql --with-apxs=..." when installing PHP for apache, what's the "--with-apxs=..." tag for? what directory do i enter there?
[07:01] <Susu> I'm pretty much frustrated because it isn't working
[07:02] <pe7er> alastairpoole: if yes, please be a little more specific so somebody with the fitting knowledge might help you
[07:02] <ficusplanet> zido, Why aren't you just using the ubuntu packages?
[07:02] <Susu> ficusplanet: Any ideas?
[07:02] <alastairpoole> pe7er, well the install CD completely failed to boot, Spewed some info about GPU then firmware, then it died.
[07:02] <farruinn> Stew2: the "upgrade" is fairly straightforward if you're familiar with apt
[07:03] <pe7er> alastairpoole, oooh :( i've seen some threads and info about ubuntu on g5, but i can't remember those urls
[07:03] <spiral> please anyone about my modules problem ???
[07:03] <farruinn> basically do a base install of debian (probably want to go with stable), change your sources.list to ubutnu repos, then dist-upgrade and install the other things you need
[07:03] <alastairpoole> I have checked some of the threads out, but sadly they're completely useless.  People answering for the sake of an answer.
[07:03] <Susu> ficusplanet: The funny is, when installing GRUB into MBR, it boots just fine, but I don't want that, because I want GRUB from SourceMage (my main system) in MBR
[07:03] <Stew2> farruinn thanks
[07:04] <Stew2> I can handle that. Where do I get the debian diskette images from?
[07:04] <pe7er> alastairpoole, sorry, i guess i do the same here
[07:04] <farruinn> www.debian.org
[07:04] <farruinn> not sure of the exact location, but it's not hard to find
[07:04] <alastairpoole> nah.
[07:04] <ficusplanet> Susu, I'm not sure what the problem is.  I would just play around with the partitions in the grub config a bit.
[07:04] <Susu> Seems I'm the only one with THAT problem?! *sigh*
[07:05] <Susu> ficusplanet: I tried so many different configs, I'm tired by now
[07:05] <brk3> can anyone tell me how to apply a theme to gtk1 apps?
[07:05] <no0tic> why sudo aptitude dist-upgrade wants to install kernel 386 even if I've the last k7 one?
[07:05] <Susu> brk3: Install gtk-theme-switch
[07:05] <zido> ficusplanet: i still can't find the mod for PHP
[07:05] <Stew2> farruinn thanks. i got the page up and bookmarked it.
[07:05] <brk3> Susu: cool thanks
[07:06] <Susu> ficusplanet: I'm not completely stupid with linux, grub and lilo, but it isn't working in any way
[07:06] <pe7er> alastairpoole, this doesn't help really i suppose: Jeff Waugh: We actually have a few G5 Xserve machines for building our PowerPC packages, and had to write some kernel patches to get them to boot! That was pretty cool - maybe we were the first? I don't know. ;-) ppc64 support is on the list of things we want to deliver for our next release, due in April 2005 (there'll be a Preview again in March). We're not planning to support SPARC at the momen
[07:06] <pe7er> t... But I have a few machines here I could start building on! Anyone else? ;-)
[07:07] <ficusplanet> zido, If you install the php4 package, it will install the module for apache 1 by default.
[07:07] <Susu> brk3: You're welcome *g*
[07:07] <pe7er> looks like you got to apply those patches first
[07:07] <alastairpoole> pe7er, it is useful
[07:07] <bitfoo> works :D
[07:07] <brk3> Susu: so basically will that let me manage themes for gtk1 as well as gtk2?
[07:07] <ficusplanet> bitfoo, Awesome.
[07:07] <bur[n] er> when is 6 months after the warty release??
[07:08] <bitfoo> now if i get the battery status to work it will be awesome :D
[07:08] <alastairpoole> thanks pe7er
[07:08] <spiral> bitfoo: smart battery ? :-p
[07:08] <Susu> brk3: You can call "switch" for gtk1 and "switch2" for gtk2
[07:08] <Susu> bitfoo: hoary will be released in april
[07:08] <alastairpoole> I'll just wait for the next release, I don't have time to disasemble the install cd
[07:08] <brk3> Susu: ok. thanks again :)
[07:08] <bitfoo> its something else
[07:09] <bitfoo> something asus fucked up :|
[07:09] <bitfoo> with dsdt or something
[07:09] <zido> ficusplanet: it doesn't work tho
[07:09] <pw> Is there a workaround for bug#5482?
[07:09] <zido> what's the modulename?
[07:09] <ficusplanet> zido, libphp4.so
[07:10] <Susu> Does someone - by chance - has Grub/Lilo NOT installed into MBR?
[07:10] <pe7er> alastairpoole, :)
[07:10] <pw> zido: xfonts-75dpi, but I suspect it's misfiled.
[07:10] <ficusplanet> Make sure it isn't commented out in your httpd.conf.  And make sure your running your script from the DocumentRoot, etc.
[07:11] <Susu> Okay guys, thats all
[07:11] <piratePenguin> whats the best bittorrent client for ubuntu?
[07:11] <zido> pw: what?
[07:11] <bitfoo> http://www.gnomelook.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=19527&file1=19527-1.png&file2=19527-2.png&file3=&name=Clearlooks <---whats that bar on the bottom :O
[07:11] <zido> ficusplanet: thanks
[07:11] <pw> zido: sorry, thought you were asking about my bug modole :)
[07:11] <Susu> I'm tired of Ubuntu now and will enjoy my Source Mage now
[07:12] <Susu> bitfoo: its' the xfce-panel
[07:12] <ficusplanet> bitfoo, That's the XFCE dock.  You can do something similar in GNOME by making a panel and then telling it not to expand - in the properties page.
[07:12] <pe7er> piratePenguin, pirate? hell no, sharks patrol those waters. azureus? available via ubuntu backports, for example. but i've recently read it got some issues. however, it looks nice and has tons of features.
[07:12] <bitfoo> :O
[07:12] <zido> :P
[07:12] <klaym> could someone using Hoary do me a little favour please? that would be to paste me the inside of sources.list.
[07:13] <Susu> Bye, guys
[07:13] <bitfoo> BYEBYE
[07:13] <bitfoo> :|
[07:14] <bat> hi
[07:14] <Stew2> hi
[07:15] <piratePenguin> pe7er: lol.. believe it or not, torrents *do* have other uses other than pirate (just nobody uses them)... yea I think I'll try azureus... needs java, so I better get that.. thanks anyhow
[07:16] <ficusplanet> piratePenguin, There's also gnome-btdownload
[07:18] <piratePenguin> ficusplanet: cool... thats even better, thanks
[07:19] <ficusplanet> piratePenguin, np
[07:19] <piratePenguin> ficusplanet: know where I get it?
[07:19] <emanuelez> hello *
[07:20] <Sav> Anyone wanna help me with getting my wlan up n running?
[07:20] <emanuelez> Sav: did u check the wiki?
[07:21] <Sav> yep, about using ndiswprapper,
[07:22] <emanuelez> sav: indeed
[07:22] <Sav> driver and module seems ok and loaded, just cant choose the wlan when im setting up the network
[07:23] <Sav> its not in the list for some reason, ifconfig doesent see it
[07:23] <emanuelez> is your wlan card supported?
[07:23] <Sav> i guess, its a broadcom, read about ppl getting it to work with ndiswprapper
[07:24] <emanuelez> mmm... i would try sending them an email--- i'm not a wlan expert
[07:26] <TreadingSoftly> Hi folks. I've just installed Ubuntu on my laptop as well as my desktop. My Linux and Windows machines talk to each other, slowly, with Samba. If I want fast and secure file sharing between my Ubuntu machines, should I keep using Samba, or should I install something else alongside? (And if so, what would you recommend?)
[07:27] <emanuelez> TreadingSoftly: secure uh? go with ssh
[07:28] <erGoline> hi, someone that could help me with a "stupid" X configuration (Sis630 chipset + LCD)?
[07:28] <TreadingSoftly> emanuelez: ssh is great... but how can i use it to open up a file on my desktop web server for editing in gedit or screem or quanta on my laptop? So far I only have experience with puttying into my Ubuntu desktop.
[07:29] <emanuelez> TreadingSoftly: i guess gnome vfs supports ssh
[07:29] <stuNNed> TreadingSoftly: scp and nautilus.
[07:30] <TreadingSoftly> I though scp was a secure copy utility, which is fine as far as it goes, but i want to be able to pull up and edit the original files.
[07:31] <stuNNed> TreadingSoftly: use nfs then
[07:31] <TreadingSoftly> Ah okay. Is NFS relatively secure?
[07:32] <ssam> ergoline. whats the prob
[07:32] <Dekkard> jorge?
[07:32] <HappyFool> is samba known to be slow?
[07:33] <TreadingSoftly> HappyFool: it doesn't seem terribly fast on my network... but then i have a mix of OSes - Win XP, Win ME, Ubuntu - some of which are better than others ;)
[07:33] <erGoline> hi ssam, I fight a night trying config the sis630 chipset with a LCD (it's a All-in-one LCD PC). Now it works (wow) but just a 800x600... 1024x760 (the ideal resolution) gives me just lines and distort images
[07:35] <ssam> ergoline, it defineatly posible. my girlfirends laptop has that chip, and it does 1024x760, i am pretty sure
[07:36] <Stew2_> what's the ubuntu command to find out how much free disk space I have?
[07:36] <HappyFool> df ?
[07:36] <HappyFool> or maybe df -H
[07:36] <ssam> ergoline, it did not need any special work
[07:37] <ssam> i could try and email you the x config, but it may take a few days
[07:37] <erGoline> ssam, the problem is the LCD panel (is well documentated the problem with sis630 + LCD)... attaching an external monitor all it's ok at 1024X768
[07:38] <ssam> it prob beyond me then, sorry
[07:39] <Stew2_>  1366468  in df. Is that 1.4 gigs?
[07:40] <ssam> stew2_ does it see 1k blocks
[07:40] <Stew2_> 1K blocks
[07:41] <HappyFool> Stew2_: try df -H
[07:41] <ssam> then yes
[07:41] <Stew2_> happyfool shizz that's a lot better
[07:43] <erGoline> ssam, could you get you girlfriend's xf86config or give me any hint?
[07:44] <stuNNed> TreadingSoftly: if the NFS share and clients are on the local LAN then probly it's ok, I'd wouldn't open it up.
[07:44] <mz2> what does exit code 1 mean? i get this when i try opening up the root terminal from the system tools menu
[07:44] <ssam> ergoline: ok, i'll email her, may take a day or two
[07:45] <ssam> egoline: whats your email
[07:45] <ka0> hi all
[07:45] <erGoline> ssam, ok thanx, I will query you in 3/4 days jere
[07:45] <ka0> please help with mp3 support in warty
[07:46] <carsonc> Does anybody happen to know offhand if it's possible to create an AtheOS/SyllableOS partition (AFS (not the Kerberos AFS)) under Linux?
[07:46] <ka0> i need gstreamer0.8-mad but dependencies are broken
[07:46] <carsonc> I can't find anything on it via Google or the Syllable site
[07:47] <daniel-> hello all, am after a little help, i've just installed ubuntu, but i messed up the part where i was supposed to choose what resolutions i wanted gnome to support, is there a way of sorting this post install?
[07:49] <unperson> ka0, The dependencies are broken?
[07:49] <unperson> Is it possible to use Evolution to check my mail on a Unix account (where I normally login and read with pine)?
[07:50] <carsonc> unperson: That's a qualified yes.
[07:50] <bitfoo> hmm these mesa drivers are not the nice :|
[07:50] <ka0> yes, gstreamer0.8-mad depend on libid3tag0 but it's not installable
[07:50] <ka0> according to apt-get
[07:50] <carsonc> If the machine you're logging into (over the network, I'm assuming) makes mail available via POP3 or IMAP then, yeah, of course.
[07:51] <Sav> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[07:51] <Sav>        or too many mounted file systems
[07:51] <Sav>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[07:51] <Sav>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[07:51] <Sav> Any ideas?
[07:51] <ka0> it's known problem but i can't found relevant decision
[07:52] <ka0> s/found/find
[07:53] <unperson> ka0, Why do you say it's a known problem?
[07:53] <HappyFool> Sav: what does 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda' say?
[07:53] <unperson> ka0, Sorry, it worked for me when I installed it several months ago and I haven't messed with it since.
[07:54] <Sav>  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[07:54] <unperson> ka0, So, I'm just trying to see where you're coming from.  Didn't see anything in a quick google search.
[07:54] <Sav> hmm
[07:54] <klaym> is there a way to apt-get an "xml parser"
[07:54] <ka0> i found description of that problem on some forums but only description
[07:54] <HappyFool> klaym: python comes with an xml parser (two, i think)
[07:54] <Nafallo> hi all! can someone explain why fluxbox is missing menuitems?
[07:54] <Sav> unperson, how do i mont? -t xxx?
[07:55] <neighborlee> hi peeps..weird problem here..evolution crashed on me while receivivng email..even after a reboot it wont recieing anymore saying that the program is 'already processing' and some POP error....problem is that my 'X' CPU usage is hanging consistent around 10%..the REAL weird part is it ONLY does this in gnome and NOT KDE..anyone know how to resolve this cause I dont really want to use kde <wink>
[07:55] <klaym> HappyPool: thanks!
[07:55] <unperson> Sav, Huh?  I wasn't paying attention to your conversation.
[07:55] <Sav> W95 Ext'd (LBA) is the filetype. how do i mount that?
[07:56] <unperson> ka0, Let me ask first, you did an apt-get update first before trying the apt-get install?
[07:56] <elnovato> hello ubuntu guys
[07:56] <elnovato> i want to install ubuntu on my laptop toshiba a60, will that work??/
[07:56] <elnovato> before i tried with debian but failed...
[07:56] <HappyFool> Sav: that's an extended partition. you can't mount it
[07:56] <Sav> there is noway to mount at all?
[07:57] <ka0> 2unperson, apt-get update; apt-get install
[07:57] <netmonk> elnovato, i'm now with toshiba a40 and it works great
[07:57] <tritium> neighborlee, try "evolution --force-shutdown" and try again
[07:57] <HappyFool> Sav: what is mounted at the moment?
[07:57] <elnovato> netmonk: thanks , ill be asking to you questions
[07:57] <ka0> i tried warty and hoary repository both
[07:57] <HappyFool> Sav: and what are you trying to achieve?
[07:57] <Sav> HappyFool, hda1, windows primary disk
[07:57] <elnovato> is there any smart NET install , like debian, for ubuntu ??? i dont want to download 600 mb iso
[07:57] <ka0> release for amd64
[07:57] <neighborlee> tritium, got that advice already from #evolution but it didn't help I dont think.but ill try it again to be sure
[07:57] <Sav> trying to mount hda2 =) need files there
[07:58] <netmonk> elnovato, you are most welcome
[07:58] <randabis> :( STILL haven't sorted out this nfs mess :/
[07:58] <spiral> ouah... openoffice2 testing in hoary ? nice :-)
[07:58] <netmonk> elnovato, I don't know - i downloaded the iso file
[07:59] <HappyFool> Sav: paste the output of your fdisk -l to the pastebin: http://rafb.net/paste/
[07:59] <HappyFool> Sav: and tell me the resulting URL
[07:59] <randabis> To be truthful I think a new install would require more to be downloaded than the iso (depending on package selection of course)
[07:59] <randabis> a default install probably would at any rate
[07:59] <randabis> a net install rather
[08:00] <alexissoft> hi
[08:00] <alexissoft> there is a little problem of incoherent files in hoary repository, is it normal ?
[08:00] <unperson> ka0, It doesn't find the dependancy (libid3tag0) at all or just not the right version?
[08:00] <Sav> HappyFool, http://rafb.net/paste/results/hB2KBu35.html
[08:01] <HappyFool> Sav: you probably want to mount /dev/hda5
[08:01] <unperson> ka0, And you said you're using warty or hoary?
[08:01] <alexissoft> incorrect md5 and package size
[08:01] <ka0> unperson, it doesn't find it at all
[08:02] <cswanson> quick question, in irssi, is there any way to list the channels on a server? I can't seem to find it in the man page... maybe I'm blind
[08:02] <Sav> HappyFool, haha, thats right, dident notice. lol. Can i give my user access to read a mounted drive as well?
[08:02] <Nafallo> cswanson: /list I believe...
[08:02] <cswanson> ok, thx
[08:02] <HappyFool> yeah, pass the umask=000 option to mount. something like -o umask=000
[08:02] <alexissoft> for laptop-detect_0.10_i386.deb (md5), python-pam_0.4.2-10.1ubuntu3_all.deb (size), python-musicbrainz_2.0.2-10ubuntu1_i386.deb (md5), python-kjbuckets_1.0.0-8ubuntu3_all.deb (md5), libpaper1_1.1.14ubuntu6_i386.deb (size), and libqthreads-12_1.6.7-1ubuntu1_i386.deb (md5)
[08:03] <Sav> ok
[08:03] <alexissoft> is anybody has an explanation ?
[08:03] <Sav> HappyFool, lats thing, unmount "bash: unmount: command not found"
[08:03] <Sav> last
[08:03] <HappyFool> Sav: try "umount"
[08:03] <alexissoft> ha
[08:03] <alexissoft> fixed :)
[08:06] <unperson> ka0, I don't get it, it seems to be there to me:  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libi/libid3tag/
[08:06] <randabis> anybody know why I would be getting permission denied errors when I try to mount nfs shares?
[08:06] <unperson> Have you got that repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[08:06] <Aimio0> Hi. Gonna reboot ina min but before I do can I just check that there root passwd is blank?
[08:07] <Aimio0> (after a fresh install)
[08:07] <HappyFool> the root account is disabled. login as yourself and use "sudo" to execute root commands
[08:07] <Nafallo> Aimio0: yes
[08:08] <Aimio0> ty, rooting and ready to type `sudo -i`
[08:08] <elnovato> soo will never will be net install??
[08:08] <HappyFool> -i doesn't look like a valid sudo flag to me
[08:10] <randabis> sudo su works
[08:10] <randabis> elnovato possibly in the future...I don't know
[08:10] <Nafallo> randabis: you might aswell use sudo -s?
[08:10] <ka0> unperson, thnx, i'll try to install manually. Bug bug is really strange
[08:11] <tritium> sweet - I didn't realize until today that openoffice.org2 packages are available
[08:11] <tritium> installing now...
[08:12] <Sav> Only me having problem to get extenstion for firefox to work? some works ok other not at all.
[08:12] <elnovato> what verision of kde is on ubuntu now??
[08:12] <netmonk> elnovato, I don't know, I guess you can find that info in www.ubuntulinux.org
[08:12] <elnovato> does ubuntu was develo0ped on africa?
[08:12] <HappyFool> no. but shuttleworth is south african.
[08:13] <elnovato> oh.. i never used 5th world software
[08:13] <Sav> HappyFool, possible to mount read/write also?
[08:13] <Nafallo> dooh!
[08:13] <netmonk> elnovato, what did you use?
[08:13] <HappyFool> Sav: no, not for NTFS
[08:13] <elnovato> debian
[08:13] <Sav> HappyFool, ok
[08:13] <unperson> ka0, It really seems like you have some larger problem, because apt-get SHOULD see that that package exists.  Make sure you don't have a problem with your sources.list.
[08:13] <bitfoo> anyone use netapplet :|
[08:13] <Nafallo> you shall not execute /exec apt-cache search kde on the wrong system and in irssi :-P
[08:14] <bitfoo> and can tell me why wireless strength isn't showing for networks :|
[08:14] <pw> If anyone here is running KDE, please add your experiences to https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5482
[08:14] <tritium> debian is universal, elnovato
[08:14] <elnovato> i have a problem with debian, doesnt recognize properly the network card on the laptop, so im trying ubuntu
[08:14] <pw> Cheers muchly.
[08:14] <elnovato> ubuntu uses aptitude?
[08:14] <netmonk> well, elnovato, I tryied once debian and god totally lost ;) I felt like in the sixth world
[08:14] <netmonk> ;)
[08:14] <bitfoo> synaptic :O
[08:14] <K-Rich> what would be the easyest way to install dev tools (gcc g++ make etc) ?
[08:14] <elnovato> yeah, debian people are comunists
[08:15] <tritium> elnovato, if you want to
[08:15] <bitfoo> sudo apt-get install g++
[08:15] <tritium> elnovato, uses .deb packages, so you can use dpkg, apt, dselect, aptitude, synaptic...
[08:15] <Nafallo> K-Rich: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:15] <Madeye> hi, any quick and dirty installation guide for Ubuntu and keeping XP ?
[08:15] <elnovato> nice
[08:15] <K-Rich> bitfoo: that will install gcc and make as well ?
[08:15] <bitfoo> u should probably listen to nafallo since i'm new :|
[08:15] <elnovato> just that iso 600 mb.. is sort non practical, i dont want all crap.. just somethings
[08:16] <bitfoo> no just g++ i think
[08:16] <bitfoo> and its dependencies
[08:16] <t31> please help! someone knows how to recover the upper launch bar?
[08:16] <bitfoo> my fonts are blurry as hell :|
[08:17] <elnovato> t31: lol... you are on winxp?
[08:17] <t31> elnovato: no tio en linux, me cargue la barra de arriba por error :P
[08:17] <K-Rich> t31: open a terminal (right click open terminal) and type 'sudo killall gnome-panel;gnome-panel'
[08:17] <elnovato> ubuntu is based on sid, sarge or potatoe??
[08:18] <t31> elnovato: i screw up the upper launch bar :(
[08:18] <neighborlee> tritium, Issued evolution --force-shutdown and no effect..in gnome I still get ( with top) around 5-7 %cpu  usage where in kde I get 0.3-1.3....sigh any clue how to fix this and why this is occuring ? ;( ( im guessing that gnome 2.8 still isn't quite stable)
[08:18] <K-Rich> Nafallo: thanks
[08:18] <Nafallo> K-Rich: you're welcome
[08:19] <K-Rich> Nafallo: note i need to add autoconf and automake as well though :)
[08:19] <Nafallo> elnovato: sid
[08:19] <t31> k-rich:nothing happens just a message saying there is already one running, and the one on the botton blinks
[08:19] <Nafallo> K-Rich: then I feel sorry for you ;-)
[08:19] <tritium> neighborlee, no, don't know, but I wouldn't agree that gnome 2.8 isn't stable
[08:20] <K-Rich> Nafallo: huh ?
[08:20] <wasabi> Are there any debian packages for beaglt?
[08:20] <wasabi> beagle
[08:20] <K-Rich> make
[08:20] <Nafallo> K-Rich: nm :-). I didn't need them for lot's of stuff yet though :-P.
[08:20] <tritium> neighborlee, evolution --force-shutdown does kill evolution, right?
[08:21] <K-Rich> Nafallo: aren't they needed to use 'make'
[08:21] <tritium> What do you mean that is has no effect?
[08:21] <Nafallo> K-Rich: nope?
[08:21] <t31> K-Rich: if i do nautilus Applications:///Internet for example it shows the folder but just that
[08:21] <Nafallo> K-Rich: if they would have been, then'll be depends :-P
[08:22] <K-Rich> Nafallo: wow, yer right, i removed them and make still works... sweet... thanks for the help, i'll have to remember build-essentials :)
[08:23] <Nafallo> K-Rich: *s* np
[08:23] <t31> please how can i recover the upper launch bar?
[08:25] <HappyFool> t31: if you do "killall -9 gnome-panel" do your panels disappear? Mine disappear then reappear
[08:26] <t31> HappyFool: it happens with the lower one, the problem is that i erased it by mistake
[08:26] <HappyFool> t31: doh!
[08:26] <HappyFool> you still have the lower one?
[08:27] <HappyFool> if you right-click on the lower panel and choose "New Panel", what happens?
[08:28] <AndyR> lo ppl
[08:29] <Stew2_> FTP server question: How do I change the listing mode (UNIX/MSDOS) on the ftp server in Ubuntu. The files names which are long terminate prematurely in .... Where on the windows xp box the full name is displayed.
[08:30] <klaym> what is a good c compiler that can be apt-get with a default hoary source?
[08:30] <dud> which ftp server Stew2_ ?
[08:31] <wezzer-> gcc?
[08:31] <HappyFool> klaym: gcc ?
[08:31] <Stew2_> dud Whichever one comes with Hoary. Thanks dud for asking.
[08:31] <dud> klaym, install build-essential
[08:31] <Nafallo> vsftpd
[08:31] <Sav> Where can i find bcmwl5.inf for ndiswrapper?
[08:31] <dud> install proftpd instead ;)
[08:31] <klaym> yea gcc might do the job :P
[08:33] <LinuxJones> Sav, the manufacturers website
[08:33] <bitfoo> dudes, anyone play ET. if so, how did you enable punkbuster ;|
[08:33] <Stew2_> dud I already got this one setup. Is there a way to change the output of the FTP server for directory listings.
[08:34] <Stew2_> dud I'm afraid of changing things, it otherwise works.
[08:34] <wezzer> bitfoo: It enabled itself automatic on my machine
[08:34] <wezzer> automatically, I mean
[08:35] <dud> i really think that any unix ftp server uses unix type directory listing
[08:35] <dud> i doubt the problem is with vsftpd
[08:35] <bitfoo> yeh it popped up the message saying "you need to enable it" but nothing happened when i clicked
[08:35] <bitfoo> i think i may have to change the permissions?
[08:35] <Stew2_> dud: well then. not much point in changing the unix server from one to another, eh?
[08:35] <Stew2_> dud: I wouldn't call it a 'problem', like major errors. It just doesn't display the file names very well.
[08:38] <o0awskr0o> i cant play any of my mp3's on ubuntu
[08:38] <o0awskr0o> none of them will open
[08:39] <o0awskr0o> anyone know how i can fix this?
[08:39] <Nafallo> o0awskr0o: you'll need either xmms or gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:39] <HcE> o0awskr0o: wav plays good? Do you have sound at all?
[08:40] <o0awskr0o> yea i get sound
[08:40] <o0awskr0o> ...
[08:40] <o0awskr0o> i went on the ubuntu site...
[08:40] <o0awskr0o> it says
[08:40] <o0awskr0o> apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:40] <tritium> randabis, I just replied to #5853
[08:40] <o0awskr0o> type that in the console?
[08:41] <Nafallo> o0awskr0o: what it basically want you to do, in some way or the other, is to install that package :-).
[08:41] <randabis> ok
[08:41] <klaym> g++, c++, gpp, aCC, CC, cc++... <- what are these components of?
[08:41] <o0awskr0o> ... i have no idea how to download.. or where to download things from
[08:41] <melazyboy2> klaym: build-essentials
[08:41] <o0awskr0o> i would prefer xmms
[08:41] <o0awskr0o> ...
[08:41] <klaym> thanks
[08:41] <o0awskr0o> but how do i get it
[08:41] <melazyboy2> o0awskr0o: 'sudo apt-get install xmms'
[08:42] <Nafallo> o0awskr0o: then use synaptics and install it? :-)
[08:42] <klaym> can build-essentials be loaded via apt-get?
[08:42] <melazyboy2> klaym: yes
[08:42] <o0awskr0o> .. put that in the console????
[08:42] <randabis> that's great, except that's greek to me :p
[08:42] <klaym> not with apt-get install build-essentials?
[08:42] <pjalajas> struggling with ltmodem.  docs say it needs serial_core.  How do I get that? Thanks.
[08:42] <melazyboy2> klaym: Its not plural devs don't understand that concept =/
[08:43] <Nafallo> klaym: s/ls/l/
[08:43] <melazyboy2> klaym: 'build-essential' rather
[08:43] <klaym> ah ok
[08:43] <tritium> randabis, the patch?
[08:43] <Nafallo> o0awskr0o: in the console: sudo apt-get install xmms
[08:44] <o0awskr0o> i am such a n00b...
[08:44] <tritium> Well, what you can do is just edit the file, and move ${VER} to be right after openoffice.org, rather than after files.
[08:44] <o0awskr0o> Reading Package Lists... Done
[08:44] <o0awskr0o> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[08:44] <o0awskr0o> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:44] <o0awskr0o> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:44] <o0awskr0o> is only available from another source
[08:44] <o0awskr0o> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
[08:44] <o0awskr0o> thats what it says****
[08:44] <randabis> hmm
[08:44] <Nafallo> o0awskr0o: OR in the console: sudo synaptic
[08:44] <tritium> randabis, after you do that, rerun "apt-get -f install"
[08:45] <Nafallo> o0awskr0o: when in synaptic, Settings -> Repositorys and add universe.
[08:45] <melazyboy2> no
[08:45] <melazyboy2> the problem is he never issued 'apt-get update'
[08:45] <Nafallo> o0awskr0o: then reload and search xmms.
[08:46] <randabis> tritium the file doesn't even exist on my system
[08:47] <Nafallo> randabis: sudo apt-get -f install
[08:47] <randabis> doesn't help
[08:47] <tritium> randabis, are you sure?  is there a /usr/share/openoffice.org2-debian-files/ directory?
[08:47] <tritium> randabis, after the errors you got, try "dpkg --configure --pending"
[08:48] <tritium> randabis, and then, "apt-get -f install"
[08:48] <o0awskr0o> add universe?
[08:49] <o0awskr0o> which
[08:49] <zenrox> o0awskr0o,  bolth
[08:49] <randabis> this is what's wrong
[08:49] <zenrox> deb and deb-src
[08:49] <randabis> /var/lib/dpkg/info/openoffice.org2-debian-files.postinst: line 7: /usr/share/openoffice.org-debian-files2/install-hook: No such file or directory
[08:49] <zenrox> yep my same error
[08:50] <tritium> randabis, you didn't make the change I told you about
[08:50] <o0awskr0o> says packages on this are not supported when i click them
[08:50] <Nafallo> o0awskr0o: and that's true. mp3 is unsupported.
[08:51] <o0awskr0o> so what to i do
[08:51] <o0awskr0o> instal gstream?
[08:51] <Nafallo> o0awskr0o: that's in universe to :-)
[08:51] <HappyFool> o0awskr0o: "unsupported" doesn't mean it won't work
[08:51] <boxemall> tryed warty warthog live cd but still got no mouse/keyboard support (ps2 devices)
[08:51] <zenrox> right
[08:52] <HappyFool> it means something like "please don't complain if this doesn't work"
[08:52] <tritium> you need to edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/openoffice.org2-debian-files.postinst
[08:52] <boxemall> is there another way of getting it to run?
[08:52] <o0awskr0o> so how do i get gstream or xmms ... and how do i get them to play mp3's
[08:53] <HappyFool> o0awskr0o: just install the "unsupported" packages
[08:53] <randabis> tritium didn't help
[08:54] <tritium> randabis, did you "dpkg --configure --pending"?  Did that configure some packages?
[08:54] <Nafallo> o0awskr0o: 1: add universe. 2: update/reload your package lists. 3: install the needed packages.
[08:54] <bitfoo> how do i uninstall a .sh ?
[08:54] <tritium> randabis, and what did "apt-get -f install" do?
[08:54] <Necrosan> I'm having problems with firestarter. It's refusing to work. It keeps saying eth0 isnt setup properly to connect to the net when it is.
[08:54] <tritium> randabis, and can you verify that you now have a /usr/share/openoffice.org2-debian-files/ directory?
[08:55] <Necrosan> brb
[08:55] <Hannes__> somebody say http://www.googe.com
[08:55] <randabis> Setting up openoffice.org2-debian-files (1.9.64-0ubuntu2) ...
[08:55] <randabis> /var/lib/dpkg/info/openoffice.org2-debian-files.postinst: line 8: openoffice.org-debian-files: command not found
[08:55] <randabis> dpkg: error processing openoffice.org2-debian-files (--configure):
[08:55] <randabis>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127
[08:55] <randabis> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:55] <randabis>  openoffice.org2-debian-files
[08:56] <Nafallo> Hannes__: porn...
[08:57] <randabis> ah seems to be an error with my edit
[08:57] <Madeye> guys, on first boot after the installation I got GRUB error 18, any idea?
[08:57] <bassinboy>  relocation error: /usr/local/bin/sc3u: symbol _dl_global_scope, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference
[08:57] <randabis> /usr/share/openoffice.org${VER}-debian-files/install-hook postinst
[08:57] <randabis> openoffice.org-debian-files "$@"
[08:58] <klaym> is there a bluetooth USB adapter application in ubuntu repositories?
[08:58] <Hannes__> Nafallo: just checking my new highlight
[08:58] <Nafallo> Hannes__: did it work? :-P
[08:58] <tritium> randabis, that looks right
[08:58] <Hannes__> dunni, nobody has said it
[08:58] <jbailey> bassinboy: Eh?  Losing GLIBC_2.0 is a seriously fubar glibc...
[08:58] <randabis> it still doesn't work though
[08:58] <randabis> I do have /usr/share/openoffice.org2-debian-files/
[08:59] <jbailey> Oh, _dl_global_scope, lemme double check that one.
[08:59] <bassinboy> jbailey: trying to run a game and it says that
[09:00] <zenrox> simcity 3000 right
[09:00] <bassinboy> yeah
[09:00] <tritium> randabis, that's very odd
[09:00] <randabis> I wish I could figure out why my server keeps giving my clients permission denied errors when they try to mount nfs shares...
[09:00] <zenrox> go to thare web page and read there forums
[09:00] <zenrox> the info is thare
[09:00] <bassinboy> zenrox: you have it?
[09:00] <froust-school> Madeye: Grub Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
[09:00] <zenrox> some whare
[09:00] <Necrosan> okay, firestarter is refusing to apt-get install now.
[09:00] <bassinboy> zenrox: whats
[09:00] <froust-school> That's what google turned up anyways
[09:00] <Necrosan> Any ideas? (I can paste the output to a pastebin if necessary)
[09:01] <Hannes__> Nafallo: say http://www.google.com
[09:01] <randabis> tritium the problem is with line 8 in the file
[09:01] <randabis> line 8: openoffice.org2-debian-files: command not found
[09:01] <zenrox> bassinboy,  i have it just havnt installed it
[09:02] <zenrox> bassinboy,  was trying to get another game worken
[09:02] <zenrox> ET and ETF
[09:03] <tritium> randabis, I think I know why
[09:03] <tritium> hold on
[09:04] <doug_harvey> hello.  i have a couple of minor problems after installing ubuntu, that i think will be fairly quick for someone more familiar with this distribution.  the quick background: the system i'm running this on doesn't have a cdrom drive, so i plugged the hard drive into a (nearly) identical system and installed ubuntu there, then plugged the hard drive back into this system.  there are two immediate problems: (1) on the "other" system, no network cable wa
[09:04] <Madeye> froust-school, yeah I've just read the explaining on GRUB manual, but couldnt find any fixation.
[09:05] <melazyboy2> adblock so l33t
[09:05] <Necrosan> anyone?
[09:05] <froust-school> Madeye: I read about someone having that problem and fixing it with partition magic... I"ll find you the url.
[09:05] <martinhj> is it possible to localisationize gnome under Ubuntu? can't find anything in the package system
[09:05] <froust-school> www.mepis.org/node/view/2223
[09:07] <melazyboy2> doug_harvey: the problem could probably be resolved with a static stanza in your menu.lst
[09:07] <tritium> randabis, I submitted a new patch
[09:08] <bassinboy> zenrox: i can't find help on forums
[09:08] <tritium> Please check your email or bugzilla again
[09:08] <tritium> you'll see that I added another ${VER}
[09:08] <Stew2_> Is there something that both linux and windows can read and Write? Is it FAT32?
[09:09] <Madeye> froust-school, yeah i saw it but i dont have windows install partion magic
[09:09] <melazyboy2> Stew2_: yes
[09:09] <randabis> ok
[09:09] <melazyboy2> Stew2_: but beware on linux its called 'vfat'
[09:09] <melazyboy2> Stew2_: you also cant have files > 4gb
[09:09] <tanek_> Stew2_: yep, and there are apps for win to make it able to read ext2 at least i know
[09:09] <Stew2_> melazyboy2 is there a way to convert NTFS BACK to Fat32?
[09:09] <tanek_> maybe reiserfs and ext3 too
[09:10] <tanek_> Stew2_: format
[09:10] <melazyboy2> Stew2_: partiton magic I believe can do it, or an intermediary partition
[09:10] <randabis> I'm still getting the same error tritium lol
[09:10] <Stew2_> melazyboy2 yeah. i was thinkin about pq
[09:10] <melazyboy2> Stew2_: That goes if you need to save the data
[09:10] <melazyboy2> Stew2_: Do you care about the data on the partition needing to be changed?
[09:11] <Stew2_> melazyboy2 i think that would work. Well, I just don't have another disk handy methinks.
[09:11] <tritium> randabis, I don't get it
[09:12] <randabis> this is what I'm editing
[09:12] <randabis> sudo gedit /var/lib/dpkg/info/openoffice.org2-debian-files.postinst
[09:12] <tritium> randabis, that's the right file
[09:14] <randabis> this is what it looks like http://www.pastebin.com/233370
[09:14] <melazyboy2> Stew2_: Do you need to retain the data on the drive?
[09:15] <Stew2_> yes for now
[09:16] <melazyboy2> whats the dpkg name for the debian network package in the event you wanted to reconfigure it using the menu
[09:16] <klaym> my desktop panels (both of them) just disappeared. how can I get them back?
[09:17] <LinuxJones> melazyboy2, network-admin
[09:17] <Nafallo> LinuxJones: thanks :-)
[09:17] <melazyboy2> thanks LinuxJones =D
[09:17] <LinuxJones> :)
[09:17] <melazyboy2> LinuxJones: Do you know how to get a listing of the dpkg names -- i have always wondered that
[09:18] <Nafallo> LinuxJones: though, I have to correct you ;-)
[09:18] <LinuxJones> melazyboy2, of all packages ?
[09:18] <Nafallo> LinuxJones: network-console-config
[09:18] <melazyboy2> LinuxJones: just the ones that can be 'configured' through dpkg preferably
[09:19] <Nafallo> LinuxJones: if I'm not mistaken. that one needs ssh :-P.
[09:19] <LinuxJones> Nafallo, I don'tve that one
[09:20] <LinuxJones> Nafallo, what does ?
[09:20] <Nafallo> LinuxJones: network-console-config
[09:20] <Nafallo> LinuxJones: network-admin wasn't found.
[09:20] <LinuxJones> Nafallo, I thought he wanted to re-coneifure his network settings I dunno what that is
[09:21] <LinuxJones> Nafallo, It si same a System Config >> Networking
[09:21] <LinuxJones> great typing skills I have
[09:21] <pjalajas> Can someone help me find kernel module serial_core (for ltmodem), thanks!
[09:22] <Nafallo> LinuxJones: well, that package doesn't exist in hoary AFAIS
[09:23] <polli> hi, is there anyone here using valknut(dcgui-qt) that get the following error (on start up) "CXml::xml_UTF8Toisolat1 error <a number>"
[09:23] <miguel_> hi there
[09:24] <miguel_> can some1 help me out?
[09:24] <thenuke> nnnno. If no one knows your problem.
[09:24] <miguel_> heheh just chekin if there was some1 out there
[09:24] <miguel_> well im new to ubuntu, altough i have some linux experience
[09:25] <thenuke> dont do that, it is bad habit :) and common habit
[09:25] <thenuke> yup
[09:25] <miguel_> but im a newbie in ubuntu
[09:25] <randabis> anyone around that can help me with NFS sharing?
[09:25] <miguel_> so how do i upgrade my Xfree to xorg?
[09:25] <miguel_> i have warthy release
[09:25] <randabis> you have to upgrade to hoary for X.org
[09:25] <thenuke> I dont know but have you checked forums and wiki?
[09:25] <miguel_> how do i upgrade to hoary?
[09:26] <miguel_> i do not understand some concepts of ubuntu
[09:26] <miguel_> like warthy and hoary
[09:26] <thenuke> warty = stable,  hoary=unstable
[09:26] <thenuke> hoary is the upcoming version of ubuntu
[09:26] <miguel_> but how do i select what release to use?
[09:26] <thenuke> if you are willing to take the risks.. you can upgrade to hoary by following the guides in www.ubuntu.org
[09:26] <thenuke> forums, wiki, faq..
[09:27] <punkass> anyone know why iwlist would all of a sudden stop finding wireless networks? I have been using this laptop with ubuntu on it for awhile and have had no probs connecting to any wireless networks till now.
[09:27] <miguel_> im reading the wiki, its a bit disorganized
[09:27] <punkass> now it doesnt seem to find any at all
[09:27] <punkass> wlist wlan0 scan just returns No Scan Results
[09:27] <miguel_> well i0m on amd64 version of ubuntu
[09:27] <miguel_> can anyone tell me if hoary is stable enough on that'
[09:27] <randabis> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[09:27] <miguel_> ?
[09:28] <miguel_> tks alot
[09:28] <elnovato> seems the ubuntu mirrors are very slow
[09:29] <elnovato> im switching to gentoo
[09:29] <tritium> elnovato, why?
[09:29] <miguel_> you can add local mirrors if they exist on your country or so
[09:29] <LinuxJones> elnovato, that will really speed your computing experience up :P
[09:29] <tritium> elnovato, is there something we can help you with?
[09:29] <Nafallo> elnovato: ftp.inf.tu-dresden.de is fast enough ;-)
[09:30] <polli> hi, is there anyone here using valknut(dcgui-qt) that gets the following error (on start up) "CXml::xml_UTF8Toisolat1 error <a number>"?
[09:30] <K-Rich> ciao tutto
[09:31] <tritium> randabis, I added yet another comment.  This time I just attached the patch to avoid confusion.  So sorry about that.
[09:31] <Nafallo> LinuxJones: wb! ;-(
[09:31] <Stew2_> where is the 'sudoers' file located? /etc/sudoers?
[09:31] <Nafallo> s/\(/\)/
[09:31] <LinuxJones> Nafallo, heh
[09:32] <Nafallo> Stew2_: indeed
[09:34] <NanoTek> Bye !!
[09:35] <defile> I've got a question about warty
[09:35] <miguel_> how do i know if the packages that appear in the synaptic app are for my architecture (amd64)?
[09:36] <defile> I've just tried the live CD, and it has Firefox 0.9.x, it 1.0 available for it?
[09:36] <Nafallo> miguel_: there are not other arches in there.
[09:36] <Nafallo> miguel_: if you don't count "all" like an arch ;-)
[09:37] <Nafallo> defile: nope, 1.0 is in development version...
[09:37] <defile> ugh
[09:37] <defile> so I'd have to snarf it from Hoary?
[09:37] <miguel_> oh i see synaptic only shows the packages for my arch, isn't so?
[09:37] <Nafallo> defile: yepp.
[09:37] <tritium> defile, yes, but the 0.9 version in Warty is hardly different from 1.0
[09:37] <defile> tritium, okay
[09:38] <tritium> I'm pretty sure there were no major bug fixes.
[09:38] <Nafallo> miguel_: even better. dpkg doesn't even let you download lists for other arches.
[09:38] <mohammed> its good to have the 1.0 version for 1 reason: gnome-fx theme
[09:38] <mohammed> thought its not really necessary =/
[09:38] <defile> I have another question concerning DVD playback, I already have Totem doing that here with Slackware, how hard would it be to set that up with Warty?
[09:38] <Nafallo> for me the warty version hanged (amd64)
[09:39] <tritium> defile, that's not hard, and it's documented well on ubuntuguide.org and wiki
[09:39] <Nafallo> defile: a mather of 4-5 packages from universe and multiverse I belive...
[09:39] <bur[n] er> defile: super easy... add a repository and apt-get install, then play it
[09:39] <defile> tritium, good links, thanks
[09:40] <miguel_> another question, i have my ntfs disk mounted at /etc/fstab
[09:40] <defile> great
[09:40] <miguel_> but regular user cannot access it
[09:40] <bur[n] er> anyone know where to file metacity bug reports??
[09:40] <tritium> :)
[09:40] <miguel_> what do i need to change?
[09:40] <tritium> bur[n] er, bugzilla
[09:40] <bur[n] er> or if there's an active community website about it?
[09:40] <bzbb> whats the difference between uni and multiverse?
[09:40] <Stew2_> SUprise! I don't have any ftp server installed. I screwed up. It's the builtin www server in ubuntu
[09:40] <bur[n] er> bugzilla.gnome.org ?  or within ubuntu?
[09:40] <tritium> bur[n] er, is it bug #5823 listed in the topic?
[09:40] <Stew2_> or whatever the default it.
[09:40] <bur[n] er> not sure
[09:40] <tritium> bur[n] er, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[09:41] <bur[n] er> that bug is an ubuntu bug number?
[09:41] <bur[n] er> ass
[09:41] <tritium> yes
[09:41] <bur[n] er> er... aww, i see ;)
[09:41] <raid_> hi guys newbie here i need some help, i wanna install a theme I downloaded first what version gnome ubuntu has?
[09:41] <tritium> hey, I'm no ass! ;)
[09:41] <defile> sorry if these are odd questions, but I have this box working just fine with Slackware, I'm curious about trying Ubuntu, but I'm a tad apprehensive about ditching a perfectly functional Slackware install
[09:41] <defile> especially when I have almost no Debian experience
[09:41] <bur[n] er> defile: try the livecd?
[09:41] <defile> bur[n] er, yes
[09:41] <bur[n] er> defile: in my experience, if you can handle slack, debian should be easy
[09:41] <raid_> twice, how do I install them? tried to use te desktop conf menu but it won't install
[09:41] <tritium> I'd agree.
[09:42] <miguel_> indeed :P
[09:42] <defile> bur[n] er, *nod* cool, I've been using Slackware since 8.x
[09:42] <miguel_> i am just curious to see how flexible ubuntu is
[09:42] <miguel_> slack is extremely configurable, altough a bit hard sometimes
[09:42] <tritium> defile, but the last time I used slackware was 1994 ;)
[09:42] <miguel_> can i configure ubuntu that easy?
[09:42] <bur[n] er> tritium: that's not the bug ;)
[09:42] <miguel_> i still do not know how to compile kernel in ubuntu...
[09:42] <bur[n] er> the metacity bug that annoys me is the gaim away windows
[09:43] <melazyboy2> We get atleast 10 people in here a day that ask a question that would entail us acting like salesmen for ubuntu, for the purpose of eliminating flame wars we should just post a link to one of the many sites that talks about the advantages of ubuntu vs <insert_distro_name_here>
[09:43] <tritium> bur[n] er, is that not a gaim bug
[09:43] <tritium> ?
[09:43] <defile> tritium, it has changed a lot since then (other than it's still being mostly run by one person)
[09:43] <bur[n] er> tritium: they claim it's a metacity bug
[09:43] <raid_> anyone pliz?
[09:43] <tritium> defile, I can imagine.  10 years is a long time
[09:43] <bur[n] er> and it works fine in fluxbox, kde, xfce, (every other wm i've used)
[09:43] <tritium> bur[n] er, hmm, is it that they don't take focus?
[09:44] <bur[n] er> it's that you can't minimize it
[09:44] <randabis> miguel ubuntu kernel compiles work exactly like debian kernel compiles
[09:44] <tritium> oh
[09:44] <defile> tritium, I'm pretty sure I can revert to what I had before if I decide to go through with this and Ubuntu doesn't float my boat ;-)
[09:44] <bur[n] er> and the auto-minimize doens't work on it, but that's a result of the no minimize in general
[09:44] <miguel_> randabis, never had debian :p
[09:44] <tritium> defile, what's your root filesystem on slack?  you could resize it, possibly, and dual-boot
[09:44] <miguel_> heard that debian install was a bit hard...
[09:44] <randabis> http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm
[09:44] <Stew2_> I have a ftp server to setup. VSFTPD, PROFTPD or WU-FTPD?
[09:44] <bur[n] er> ubuntu install is cake
[09:44] <defile> tritium, I'd rather not, but it's ext3
[09:45] <randabis> you can also do it the same as a vanilla kernel compile if you want
[09:45] <bur[n] er> Stew2_: i use pure-ftpd :)
[09:45] <tritium> defile, okay.  it would be possible, though.  Just trying to think of options for you
[09:45] <bur[n] er> i've heard good things about vsftpd though for high-end lots of traffic ftp servers
[09:45] <defile> tritium, I have one 20 GB fs that I have for my music and backups
[09:45] <LinuxJones> Stew2_ vsftp is becoming more popular
[09:45] <tritium> I see
[09:45] <bur[n] er> ext3 can't be resized :\
[09:45] <tritium> Is that right?
[09:45] <defile> bur[n] er, not a big loss
[09:45] <tritium> I thought it could
[09:45] <bur[n] er> no
[09:46] <tritium> oh
[09:46] <bur[n] er> not without losing data
[09:46] <raid_> hey ppl anyone can tell me what gnome ubuntu has and how do install new themes (NEWBIE HERE)
[09:46] <Stew2_> thanks
[09:46] <bur[n] er> is gparted in ubuntu yet?
[09:46] <Nafallo> vsftpd is on kernel.org, ftp.acc.umu.se and other big sites :-)
[09:46] <defile> 2.80 raid_
[09:46] <tritium> raid_, 2.8 in Warty
[09:46] <tritium> 2.10 in upcoming Hoary
[09:46] <bur[n] er> i have so many freakin non-ubuntu repos, it's hard to keep track of what's in ubuntu and what's not
[09:46] <miguel_> raid, run synaptic and search for themes
[09:46] <miguel_> somethin like x11-themes or so
[09:47] <tritium> or apt-cache search themes
[09:47] <bur[n] er> tritium: what's the release time on hoary?  i forget.. february?
[09:47] <crimsun> bur[n] er: march-april
[09:47] <raid_> ok thenks all
[09:47] <raid_> thanks sorry
[09:48] <miguel_> how can i mount a harddisk like windows-ntfs so ALL users or some user can access it, besides root?
[09:48] <miguel_> i mount my ntfs disk, but only root has permissions to read it
[09:48] <bur[n] er> that's right... thanks crimsun
[09:48] <bur[n] er> (guess i might as well go with another warty install)
[09:48] <punkrockguy318> Where can I find a package of mplayer with the GUI and full codecs?
[09:49] <tritium> bur[n] er, there are array-3 install CDs you can try for Hoary
[09:50] <bur[n] er> array-3?
[09:51] <bur[n] er> tritium: got a link?  (torrent maybe?)
[09:51] <tritium> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-3/
[09:51] <bur[n] er> if not, i'll search :)
[09:51] <tritium> no torrents, I believe
[09:51] <tritium> jigdo, though
[09:51] <elnovato> ok peeps says ubuntu is for noobs, im out
[09:53] <bur[n] er> tritium: wtf is array3?
[09:53] <bur[n] er> just a beta type thing?
[09:53] <tritium> pretty much
[09:53] <defile> tritium, thank you for that ubuntuguide.org link, it answers a lot of my DFQ's ;-)
[09:53] <bur[n] er> cool, thanks for the link
[09:53] <bur[n] er> that saves some apt-get time ;)
[09:54] <tritium> sure thing defile, bur[n] er
[09:56] <trans_err> how can i use pinning to just bring down the xorg packages in hoary? as anyone done this?
[09:56] <tritium> trans_err, check out the apt-howto
[09:56] <trans_err> on the wiki?
[09:57] <tritium> trans_err, you can also apt-get install apt-howto
[09:57] <tritium> it's also on debian.org documentation site
[09:57] <kbrooks> trans_err, and the documentation will be in:
[09:58] <trans_err> kbrooks: ?
[09:58] <kbrooks> /usr/share/doc/apt-howto
[09:58] <kbrooks> iirc
[09:58] <trans_err> thanks
[09:58] <trans_err> that looks right
[09:58] <trans_err> as anyone done it before?
[09:58] <trans_err> *has
[09:58] <tritium> trans_err, /usr/share/doc/ is where other packages store documentatio too
[09:58] <trans_err> tritium: yeah- i know
[09:58] <randabis> I fixed my nfs problems. HOORAY
[09:58] <kbrooks> me? done pinning? no
[09:59] <tritium> I've pinned before, but that was when I was using debian sid with some experimental
[09:59] <trans_err> tritium: that's the last time i did it-- and i forget the particulars
[09:59] <tritium> me too, that's why all I can really do is point you to the apt-howto
[09:59] <tritium> sorry
[09:59] <trans_err> no problem-- that was my backup anyway
[10:02] <tritium> gotta go...
[10:03] <randabis-laptop> haha I'm typing this from my main box using vnc
[10:03] <punkass> any wireless wizards here?
[10:05] <randabis> punkass I flunked out of wireless spell casting
[10:06] <njan> punkass, just ask your question
[10:07] <pe7er> ^ ^ ^ lol :)
[10:07] <acidmaxd> any IPsec wizards? :)
[10:07] <randabis> :)
[10:07] <jac208> punkass: whats the problem? i might be able to help
[10:08] <jac208> punkass: whats you card? or chipset?
[10:09] <acidmaxd> well, here is my question: is it possible to use IPsec to secure client-gateway communications? looking at http://www.ipsec-howto.org it seems that it is only usable for point-to-poing encryption...
[10:10] <defile> bbiab
[10:11] <bitfoo> hey im trying to burn an iso but when i right click the iso, it completes in like 1 second :|
[10:13] <punkass> i have a dell D600 running warty
[10:13] <punkass> i have been using wireless on it for sometime now..and its been fine
[10:13] <jac208> but now?
[10:13] <punkass> but for some reason it does not want to find a access point anymore
[10:14] <jac208> have you done anything like upgrade?
[10:14] <punkass> iwlist wlan0 scan just gives No Scan Results
[10:14] <punkass> nope
[10:14] <punkass> thats why i thought it was wierd
[10:14] <punkass> tried doing a rmmod ndiswrapper...modprobe ndiswrapper...but that didnt help
[10:15] <thoreauputic> I'm not having much success getting my iBook modem recognised by Ubuntu - it is supposedly supported but I have doubts... any ideas?
[10:15] <thoreauputic> Mac ibook 1.2ghz G4
[10:16] <jac208> punkass: hmmm what version of ndiswrapper are you running?
[10:17] <kbrooks> ok
[10:17] <kbrooks> i need to install a proxy server. any suggestions?
[10:17] <kbrooks> it should be easy to configure and have a minimal gui
[10:17] <thoreauputic> btw Ubuntu is very impressive (debianista here - first install, first venture into ppc as well)
[10:17] <punkass> umm not sure..let me look
[10:20] <acidmaxd> kbrooks: the best proxy server is squid
[10:20] <acidmaxd> what type of proxy do you need? squid is a web cache
[10:20] <trans_err> ubuntu seems to ignore /etc/apt/apt.conf
[10:20] <punkass> jac208: i cant seem to find which version it is
[10:20] <trans_err> and a default one is not provided
[10:21] <acidmaxd> trans_err: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf
[10:21] <acidmaxd> apt.conf is split into small files into /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
[10:21] <jac208> punkass: try "modinfo ndiswrapper"
[10:21] <trans_err> acidmaxd: i tried appending APT::Default-Release "version"; but it seems to ignore it
[10:21] <trans_err> i replaced version with warty
[10:22] <acidmaxd> trans_err: in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf ?
[10:22] <trans_err> acidmaxd: yeah
[10:22] <runenes> can I make apt-get not check for dependencies?
[10:22] <trans_err> acidmaxd: it still pulls down hoary packages when i try to upgrade
[10:23] <crimsun> runenes: -m
[10:23] <acidmaxd> trans_err: are you running warty?
[10:23] <crimsun> runenes: apt-get(8) is your friend ;)
[10:23] <trans_err> acidmaxd: yup
[10:24] <acidmaxd> trans_err: then you should not add APT::Default-Release "version"
[10:24] <runenes> crimsun, thx
[10:24] <punkass> jac208: well that doesnt give me a version #
[10:24] <trans_err> acidmaxd: how else can I then select packages from hoary but default to warty?
[10:24] <acidmaxd> trans_err: google for apt-pinning
[10:25] <trans_err> acidmaxd: why wouldn't this work? it's exactly what i want
[10:25] <acidmaxd> trans_err: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html for example
[10:25] <acidmaxd> trans_err: i don't know... but apt-pinning is the right way to do this
[10:25] <punkass> vermagic: 2.6.8.1-2-386 preempt 386 gcc-3.3
[10:25] <trans_err> acidmaxd: i tried that too
[10:25] <trans_err> acidmaxd: didn't work either
[10:25] <jcoxon77> punkass: (was originally jac208) did it come with warty?
[10:26] <punkass> i believe so
[10:26] <acidmaxd> trans_err: what packages do you need? can't you use backports instead?
[10:26] <Stew2_> How do I make SYMlinks work in vsftpd?
[10:27] <trans_err> acidmaxd: i want to just pull down xorg
[10:27] <jcoxon77> punkass: you could perhaps download the latest version and install it, apart from that cause you haven't changed anything i'm really not sure...
[10:27] <jcoxon77> punkass: http://ndiswrapper.sf.net
[10:28] <acidmaxd> trans_err: add backports's repository first and search for xorg
[10:28] <zenrox> i wouldent recomend installing xorg in warty
[10:29] <acidmaxd> trans_err: i know only two ways to do what you want - backports and apt-pinning
[10:29] <thoreauputic> hmm.. what key combo is used to get a console in ppc ubuntu on macs? ( ctrl-alt-F2 equivalent) ?
[10:29] <punkass> ok thanks jcoxon77..ill give that a go
[10:29] <ssam> might need fn held down aswel
[10:30] <thoreauputic> ssam: was that for me?
[10:30] <ssam> yes
[10:30] <ssam> thats if your on a power/ibook
[10:30] <thoreauputic> OK I'll try it.. thanks
[10:31] <thoreauputic> so fn-ctrl-alt- F2, F3 etc, right?
[10:31] <ssam> yes and f7 to get back to a gui
[10:31] <ssam> fn-ctrl-alt-f7
[10:35] <jcoxon77> punkass: good luck... :)
[10:39] <skiy> excuse me folks, how can I direct ubuntu to use a static address / manual netmask/gateway ?
[10:39] <thoreauputic> heh... fn-ctrl-alt-F* works on the ibook... can't log in and couldn't get back to X again. I feel newbish... :)
[10:39] <Stew2_> I'm trying to make my ftp guest account writable and VSFTPD refuses to run: 500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable anonymous root
[10:40] <Stew2_> Although writable anonymous root is an option in vsftpd.conf.
[10:40] <ssam> fn-ctrl-alt-f7 should get you back
[10:40] <thoreauputic> skiy: the debian way would be editing /etc/network/interfaces
[10:40] <thoreauputic> ssam: nope, tried that  :)
[10:41] <skiy> thoreauputic, it's ok I found the gnome network tools :)
[10:41] <thoreauputic> ssam: googling for an answer now..
[10:41] <thoreauputic> skiy: ah, yes, much easier :)
[10:42] <skiy> although my mouse keeps dying with the savage driver :(
[10:42] <skiy> don't really know what to do about it, it's going to annoy the laptop owner :(
[10:44] <kleedrac> Hey all ... what (in your humble opinions) is the best gnome-based CD burning app?
[10:44] <skiy> kleedrac, k3b :)
[10:44] <Rubicant> hey hey
[10:44] <Rubicant> ordering 100 cd's
[10:44] <Rubicant> 10*
[10:44] <Rubicant> when will they come ?
[10:45] <kleedrac> skiy: That's what I'm using now but find it a little slow as it's KDE-based not Gnome Based
[10:45] <Stew2_> any one know how to make symlinks work in VSFTPD? I'm running ubuntu hoary.
[10:45] <thoreauputic> kleedrac: k3b is better than anything gnomish so far - xcdroast is not bad but less easy
[10:45] <zenrox> gnomebake
[10:45] <zenrox> 0.2
[10:45] <kleedrac> All right ... I'll continue with k3b .... tried gnomebake and didn't like it :)
[10:45] <kleedrac> Thanks guys!
[10:45] <zenrox> it works
[10:48] <hypa7ia> okay, i give up... where are the hoary iso's?
[10:49] <kbrooks> hypa7ia, hold on. i have a canned url.
[10:50] <hypa7ia> gahhhh finally found it
[10:50] <kbrooks> cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/
[10:50] <kbrooks> there
[10:50] <kbrooks> and
[10:50] <hypa7ia> rockin
[10:50] <kbrooks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ <<<< live cd
[10:50] <hypa7ia> that's the one i just found... the one from the 20th is the latest as far as i can tell
[10:51] <hypa7ia> for the installer
[10:56] <jpedrosa> cool!!! finally the 2.6.10 kernel is working for me. this las update really rocked. hehe
[10:56] <jpedrosa> dewd@heaven:~ $ uname -a
[10:56] <jpedrosa> Linux heaven 2.6.10-2-386 #1 Mon Jan 24 15:12:41 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:56] <hypa7ia> nicenice
[10:56] <jpedrosa> for two weeks it didn't work. and now it's working. great guys. thx
[10:56] <hypa7ia> i'm installing the hoary preview today
[10:56] <hypa7ia> i hope it works :-)
[10:57] <jpedrosa> (crosses fingers) :-)
[10:57] <hypa7ia> seriozzz
[10:57] <jpedrosa> cool. the desktop is cool again. wooohoo
[10:57] <nir> I got a stupid problem on a G5
[10:58] <nir> installed on a second internal disk
[10:58] <nir> I boot with Option, select the Linux disk
[10:58] <jeropa> Does anyone have any experience with the Gnoppix iso's (or is there another channel I should be asking Gnoppix questions in?)
[10:58] <nir> then I get boot stage one, press l for linux, x for mac os x, c for cd
[10:59] <nir> I press l, get another graphic boot screen, select again the linux disk
[10:59] <jpedrosa> jeropa, it's usually a bad idea to use gnoppix instead of ubuntu :-)
[10:59] <nir> get again boot stage one, press l
[10:59] <nir> get the graphic boot screen...
[11:00] <nir> anyone here run ubuntu on mac?
[11:00] <jcoxon77> nir: yup, ibook G4
[11:01] <nir> any clue about this stupid situation?
[11:01] <tritium> jdub, no comment?
[11:01] <djtansey> does anyone here roam between WAPs? I have two in a building (that can't reach to eachother so can't bridge i don't think) and I would like to have my laptop ifdown ath0 and ifup ath0 when it finds a new WAP (or otherwise gain a new IP address) . any suggestions?
[11:02] <tritium> djtansey, did you try netapplet?
[11:02] <jcoxon77> nir: i had that when i messed up /etc/yaboot.conf but for mac os x
[11:02] <djtansey> tritium: does that do it automatically?
[11:02] <tritium> djtansey, it runs a daemon, which I don't like, but you can give it a try
[11:02] <jcoxon77> nir: it suggests that it is trying to boot off the wrong partion
[11:03] <djtansey> tritium: i've not used it. you have? you liked it?
[11:03] <jcoxon77> nir: and when it can't find ubuntu returns to the selection screen
[11:03] <nir> I checked the yaboot.conf on boot partition
[11:03] <nir> it say:
[11:03] <tritium> djtansey, no, I haven't used it
[11:03] <nir> device = /k2-sata@0/disk@0:
[11:04] <nir> partition = 3
[11:04] <tritium> djtansey, there's also network monitor, if you're running Hoary (it's not in the repos, but someone has built the package)
[11:04] <nir> root = /dev/sdb3
[11:04] <nir> root is correct
[11:04] <djtansey> tritium: what is the package name for network monitor (i'm running hoary)
[11:04] <tritium> network manager, I mean
[11:04] <tritium> djtansey, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetworkManager
[11:04] <djtansey> tritium: and thanks regardless, i will try both
[11:04] <nir> I don't know about that strage k2...
[11:04] <djtansey> cool
[11:04] <tritium> djtansey, sure
[11:05] <jcoxon77> nir: i have ide but mine says device=/pci@f4000000/ata-6@d/disk@0:
[11:05] <jcoxon77> nir: so expect strange things
[11:06] <jcoxon77> do you have a boot entry?
[11:06] <jazzka> this link: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/  doesnt work :(
[11:06] <jcoxon77> like "boot=/dev/sdb2
[11:06] <Orcrist> hello
[11:06] <jcoxon77> or something
[11:06] <nir> I don't rememebr
[11:06] <nir> can I access the boot partition from os x?
[11:06] <thoreauputic> jazzka: intermittent - I got it oncethen it died :(
[11:07] <Phineas> Hey, does anyone know if I can manually add locations to the sidebar on an open dialog? Like where it lists, "Filesystem, Home, CD-ROM1 etc."
[11:07] <Orcrist> if I have my /home on a separate hard drive or partition from my /, can I install hoary from scratch when it comes out and still retain my /home users, files, settings, etc?
[11:07] <Nonphasis> I just upgraded Warty -> Hoary and my fonts are weird
[11:07] <jazzka> thoreauputic, maybe they are updating something
[11:07] <Nonphasis> antialiasing seems to bo broken
[11:07] <Orcrist> as in, install it to my hd that contains /
[11:07] <jcoxon77> i can... i installed ext2fsmanager : http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsx/
[11:07] <Nonphasis> there is a weird red hue in the fonts
[11:07] <Nonphasis> any idea if I need to dp-reconfigure some package or sth?
[11:08] <jcoxon77> however there is the question of if you can then run ybin to install the new config file!
[11:08] <jeropa> jpedrosa: I run ubuntu at home... just need a live version for a laptop i got (can't overwrite the existing HD)
[11:08] <thoreauputic> Orcrist: should work fineif you just do manual partitioning and don't wipe /home
[11:09] <nir> jcoxon77, on what hardware you run ubuntu?
[11:09] <jcoxon77> perhaps you are going to need a live cd either the ubuntu one or perhaps knoppix and mount the drive and then chroot in and ybin
[11:09] <jcoxon77> nir: i have and iBook G4 800mhz
[11:09] <jcoxon77> an*
[11:09] <Orcrist> thank you thoreau
[11:09] <Orcrist> that's what I'm hoping
[11:10] <thoreauputic> jcoxon77: do you know the key combos on an iBook G4 with ubuntu to get a console and then login, or get back to X?
[11:11] <nir> How can I check if that k2-sata... thing is correct?
[11:11] <thoreauputic> jcoxon77: ie ctrl-alt-F* equivalents?
[11:12] <jcoxon77> thoreauputic: um not sure... i think tho if you kill x enough it will die and you can login but i haven't yet need to access the console that way
[11:12] <jcoxon77> thoreauputic: why are you having problems with x?
[11:13] <thoreauputic> jcoxon77: I'm not - I just like to use the consoles for things - I have 6 of them, after all ;)
[11:14] <jcoxon77> nir: well if you can chroot into you drive (perhaps even through mac os x) then you can run yabootconf which will automagically make a correct config file, tho you'll need to add mac os x and cd boot which are easy...
[11:14] <thoreauputic> jcoxon77: they must be accessible as they are listed in /etc/inittab
[11:14] <sm-gone> hey all
[11:14] <jcoxon77> thoreauputic: yes but i can't manage to find them
[11:14] <nir> jcoxon77, I don't need mac os x boot or cd at all
[11:15] <sm> is it just me or is evolution too crashy too use right now ?
[11:15] <nir> I have 2 disk, one with osx, one with ubuntu
[11:15] <jcoxon77> nir: how do you alternate?
[11:15] <nir> cd booting is only restart away
[11:15] <thoreauputic> jcoxon77: hmm - I can get a console, but it won't allow me to log in
[11:15] <nir> start with option
[11:15] <nir> get the graphic scree, select what you like to boot
[11:15] <jcoxon77> thoreauputic: how?
[11:16] <thoreauputic> using fn-ctrl-alt-F2
[11:16] <jcoxon77> nir: well if you can access your drive then you can run yabootconf and it will install yaboot correctly
[11:16] <knghtbrd> okay, FOSS is officially the stupidest FLA I have yet encountered.  Free Software scares corporations who hear it and envision ... er, RMS, and OSS is both watered down and the acronym for a crappy UNIX sound driver.  So in order to bring back some of the purity of Free Software without envoking images of people who got lost in the 1960s, we have FOSS.  And for the extremely politically correct, FLOSS, which reminds me that I have to schedule a check
[11:16] <thoreauputic> but the combo won't work in the opposite direction to get F7 back
[11:17] <nir> I can boot from the cd
[11:17] <jcoxon77> thoreauputic: doesn't work for me...
[11:17] <jeropa> I got the hoary_0.9.3b2-i386.iso image ... when I boot it though it's the Ubuntu installer and not a live Gnoppix CD...   is there a boot option that needs to be used to boot hte Live CD or did I mess up and grab the wrong image?  :-(
[11:17] <nir> start the partition tool
[11:17] <nir> then I can access the boot partition
[11:17] <nir> so , run yabootconf at that point?
[11:18] <jcoxon77> nir: yes once you've chrooted into the partition
[11:18] <fowler> Is the nautilus-media package broken in Hoary? It seems to depend on a non existant lib
[11:18] <nir> chrooted?
[11:18] <fowler>  nautilus-media: Depends: libnautilus2-2 (>= 2.7.1) but it is not installable
[11:18] <knghtbrd> chroot <targetdir> /bin/bash
[11:18] <knghtbrd> then run yabootconfig
[11:18] <fowler> Package libnautilus2-2 has no installation candidate
[11:18] <jcoxon77> nir: exactly, thanks knghtbrd :)
[11:19] <nir> whats the difference from cd?
[11:19] <Orcrist> anyone here have any experience installing radeon cards in ubuntu?
[11:19] <fowler> Anyone got any ideas?
[11:19] <jcoxon77> nir: when you chroot its as if you had booted from the hard drive and so when you run yabootconf it will set it up correctly
[11:19] <Orcrist> I just received a radeon 9200, and am running a very old nvidia card now... is it as simple as installing the fglrx driver set in synaptic or apt and then rebooting? possibly tweaking XF86 config?
[11:20] <nir> I'll try that, thanks
[11:20] <_4strO> soir all
[11:20] <knghtbrd> Orcrist: there's a kernel module I think, and yes, X config
[11:20] <fowler> Could someone with Hoary run apt-get install nautilus-media for me and tell me if it fails?
[11:20] <thoreauputic> time to go - I'll report back if I solve the riddle of the consoles on ppc... ;)
[11:21] <jcoxon77> thoreauputic: cool
[11:21] <thoreauputic> so long, ubunters !
[11:21] <tritium> fowler, you can't right now
[11:22] <tritium> it depends on libnautilus2-2, which is no longer available, since it's not used anymore
[11:22] <fowler> tritium  It's a known prolem then?
[11:22] <fowler> Ok I tried a compile removing the lib from the depends and it failed looking fro libnautilus.pc
[11:22] <tritium> fowler, don't know.  I just found the reason, didn't look into it further.
[11:22] <tritium> gotta go...
[11:23] <fowler> k - thanks.
[11:23] <fowler> I'll wait until it gets fixed I suppose
[11:23] <Orcrist> thanks knght
[11:24] <Madeye> hi
[11:25] <K-Rich> So... anyone wanna help a dude figure out why his 2nd nic and modem don't wanna work together (seems an IRG conflict to me though)
[11:25] <jbknapp> How can I enable SMB support? When I go to Computer > Network Settings > General and try to check "Enable Windows Networking", it says "SMB Support is not running"
[11:25] <jbknapp> Anyone have any ideas?
[11:26] <K-Rich> jbknapp: sudo apt-get install samba
[11:26] <Adiga> guys please how to setup ADSL on ubuntu ?
[11:27] <jbknapp> K-Rich, thanks for your help!
[11:29] <opi> re
[11:29] <K-Rich> jbknapp: np
[11:30] <ubuntu> Jump right in?
[11:32] <kbrooks> ubuntu, hm?
[11:32] <ubuntu> i think i need another name. be right back.
[11:37] <kent> what is "a reasonable time" for bugzilla to send back my password? i read about some ISPs blocking som servers for issues like no reverse-dns etc, but since i have gotten mails from ubuntu-bugzilla before i guess its no problem for me.
[11:38] <Madeye> guys, please HOW to setup ADSL on ubuntu ?
[11:39] <kent> Madeye, didn't ubuntu detect it? it did with mine. Do you use ethernet or usb connection to the modem? if usb, then your in deep water.. they are hard to get working.
[11:39] <Madeye> kent eth
[11:40] <Madeye> kent any idea? please
[11:40] <kent> Madeye, i use Ubuntu Hoary so my setup might differ from yours, but if you open the network administration program, cant you find some options for dhcp there?
[11:40] <Madeye> kent I found it, and all set, but it didnt ask me for the username and password for the connection
[11:41] <kent> Madeye, do you have to supply one? i never had to do that :(
[11:41] <Madeye> kent yeah
[11:42] <Madeye> there is a username and password for ADSL connection
[11:43] <kent> Madeye, i cant help you with that :(  Try looking at ubuntuforums.org or the homepage of ubuntu
[11:43] <Madeye> kent I wish I could, I'm on screwed up system, only irc is working here, unbelievable day unbelivable luck
[11:44] <Phineas> Does anyone know a good business suite? Like something I can use to handle business transactions and such?
[11:45] <kent> Madeye, i have heard about something called pppoe before, i think its what you want to look at.  try pppoeconf?
[11:46] <Madeye> kent there is /etc/ppp not ppp0
[11:46] <stvn> Madeye: pppoe is for adsl connections with password n stuff
[11:47] <mojo_> Greetings.  Anyone have ideas on how to troubleshoot totem-gstreamer error... Fails on launch w/ "Resource busy or unavailable".  I have had no luck w/google, manpages, or scanning /var/logs for clues. Thx.
[11:47] <stvn> mojo_: running esd?
[11:48] <mojo_> stvn:  not sure... I know alsa...  Running Ubuntu Hoary & Gnome
[11:49] <mojo_> stvn: what cmd 2 chk for esd?
[11:49] <stvn> mojo_: the error sounds like something is occupying the soundsystem
[11:49] <stvn> mojo_: ps ax | grep esd
[11:50] <mojo_> stvn:  1105 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep esd  (affirmative)
[11:50] <mojo_> stvn: I have 2 sndcards...  mobo and audigy2.  mobo is primary, a2 is 2nd.  xmms plays thru audigy
[11:50] <mojo_> stvn: mobo has no spkrs.
[11:51] <stvn> mojo_: the grep esd is just the command you typed, it that's the only result you don't have esd running
[11:51] <mojo_> stvn: lol
[11:51] <mojo_> stvn: how about "8396 ?        S      0:04 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps"
[11:51] <stvn> mojo_: are you sure there's nothing else running that might produce sound?
[11:51] <mojo_> stvn: cp'd wrong line
[11:51] <stvn> mojo_: that *is* esd :)
[11:52] <stvn> mojo_: you can either kill esd or tell gstreamer to use esd
[11:52] <stvn> mojo_: i'd say use the latter :)
[11:52] <mojo_> stvn: well, fresh boot into enviro will still give error.
[11:52] <LucidVisions> Hello everyone, my comp has 3 scsi harddrives, and im wondering what is the fastest filesystem to use for scsi,or does it make a huge diffrentce since they are already really fast?
[11:53] <jono> hi all
[11:53] <mojo_> stvn: so tell gstreamer to use esd how?  is it a config file in /etc?
[11:53] <jono> has the metacity bug been fixed and uploaded to hoary?
[11:54] <stvn> mojo_: tsk, this is ubuntu, user friendly and stuff: desktop>>preferences>>multimedia...
[11:54] <stvn> jono: i didn't come across it today
[11:54] <stvn> jono: i upgraded two systems
[11:54] <mojo_> stvn: nice... multimedia systems selector
[11:55] <jono> stvn, cool
[11:56] <mojo_> stvn: default audio sink was set to esd, pipeline "esdsink"
[11:57] <stvn> mojo_: does test work?
[11:58] <mojo_> stvn: test pans a little slider box but I have no spkrs on my mobo audio... can try alsa.  HELP btn didn't explain the pipeline args.
[11:58] <mojo_> stvn: setting to alsa, test fails to construct pipeline
[11:58] <mojo_> stvn: ditto oss
[11:59] <stvn> mojo_: hm
[11:59] <mojo_> stvn: i can try to reroute my spkrs into mobo... but it's a tight reach...