[12:00] <mojo_> stvn: yes, things that make ya go hmmm...
[12:01] <mojo_> stvn: brb am working with cables...
[12:02] <stvn> mojo_: the settings stuff not working might be a wrong soundcard
[12:02] <Ghort> hey
[12:03] <Ghort> I never have expected results with dpkg -l (too few packages listed) is there a way to refresh some package index or cache ?
[12:06] <stvn> Ghort: like apt-get update ?
[12:06] <stvn> Ghort: or add more repositories,like universe and muktiverse?
[12:06] <mojo_> stvn: okay system sounds are coming thru mobo
[12:07] <Br34ch> I'm a total nub at Linux.. where does the stuff go that I download from Synaptic at default? :s
[12:07] <stvn> mojo_: is the original problem solved now as well?
[12:07] <stvn> Br34ch: depends on what you installed
[12:08] <Ghort> stvn: none of them ... I've added universe, done some apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ... and doing dpkg -l apache2 gives me no answers :(
[12:08] <Br34ch> Simple doc files; programs?
[12:08] <LucidVisions> Br34ch: almost all the programs that you install go to /usr/bin and docs are usually in /usr/share/doc
[12:08] <Br34ch> Got it, thanks
[12:09] <Br34ch> Still very unfamiliar with browsing syntax, any comprehensive guide out there that'll have me down with basics? :x
[12:09] <mojo_> stvn: all i did was plug the speakers into the mobo jacks, no sw or config changes made.
[12:09] <stvn> Ghort: you want to search the apt database?
[12:09] <Ghort> stvn: yes, the old way, not with apt-cache
[12:09] <stvn> mojo_: i forgot the original problem, so please enlighten me agian :s
[12:10] <LucidVisions> Br34ch: i wish i had somthing for ya on that.Do you mean navigating the system with the command like
[12:11] <mojo_> stvn: Original problem is, launching Totem (gstreamer) fails on launch.  Windows pop up and immediately close, dialog remains with title "Error" and message "Resource busy or not available."
[12:11] <stvn> Ghort: warty or haory?
[12:11] <mojo_> stvn: I have not been able to figure out what "resource" or how to troubleshoot further.
[12:11] <LucidVisions> Br34ch: like going to /usr/bin with the command line?
[12:11] <Ghort> stvn: hoary
[12:11] <Br34ch> Any way I can browse through them . . . sure
[12:11] <mojo_> stvn: docs seem to be lacking.  Nothing I could discover in /var/spool/logs
[12:12] <stvn> Ghort: dpkg -l apache2 yields a result here (hoary)
[12:12] <stvn> mojo_: try killall esd and totem again
[12:13] <Ghort> stvn: I know it should, but I've got results with very few queries ... and as I left debian 3 years ago (after 4-5 years) I can't remember if one should do something to make dpkg -l work ..
[12:13] <mojo_> stvn: totem does same... ps ax no longer shows esd
[12:14] <mojo_> stvn: so maybe video resource?
[12:14] <stvn> mojo_: hm that is an option, never encountered it though
[12:15] <stvn> Ghort: i'm the lazy type i always use aptitude or synaptic for seaches, but both apt-cache search and dpkg -l work here, with no fancy stuff (AFAIK)
[12:15] <stvn> mojo_: do you ahve another videoplayer running somewherE?
[12:16] <LucidVisions> with gnome, the best way is to use nautilus.click on the computer tab,then home.Now you will see a file manager browser(Im sure you already know).then there is url like field that says location.it will say /home/whatever,you just have to put /usr/bin or whereever you wont to go into that field.
[12:16] <Ghort> stvn: too bad for me, thanks anyway !
[12:16] <stvn> Ghort: good luck
[12:16] <stvn> LucidVisions: why not just use ctrl-l /u<tab>b<tab> :p
[12:16] <mojo_> stvn: well butter my butt & call me a biscuit (lol)... it was the video sink setting in MMS Selector. XWindows (X11/XShm/Xv) failed, but XWindows (No Xv) and SDmL sinks test okay.  Totem opens.
[12:17] <stvn> hehe
[12:17] <stvn> mojo_: nice to know it's solved
[12:17] <mojo_> stvn: No other vidplayers afaik, though i did install mplayer (but have had probls with it working... mplug i ffox works *sometimes* (mov files)
[12:18] <mojo_> stvn: Thanks for the help though... you brought me to the right place.  Now I have to learn what the Xv options are and why that isn't working.  Also must now test mplayer
[12:18] <stvn> mojo_: i came across xine plugin for ff, i think it works better than mplayer one, but it still kinda sucks
[12:19] <mojo_> stvn: yeah, well i can give it a shot.  mplayer is working on files it didnt b4 (i think - need to test more).  But it beotches about wrong /dev/... setting for alsa in it's setup.
[12:20] <LucidVisions> Br34ch: another fun way is to open up a terminal,application tab,system tools,terminal..then cd /usr/bin
[12:21] <LucidVisions> and if ya want to list the files in that directory then just throw in ls
[12:21] <mojo_> stvn: looks like i need codecs to play wmvs... seeking other media to test with
[12:21] <mojo_> stvn: for Totem this round, that is.
[12:21] <stvn> mojo_: i use totem-xine, but there is the gstreamer-ffmpeg plugin
[12:22] <mojo_> stvn: why use xine over gstreamer?  Not that I know one from other in capabilities
[12:22] <Br34ch> And, uhh . . . my sound doesn't work . . . where can I begin on solving this?
[12:22] <mojo_> stvn: but ubuntu team chose gstreamer so i stuck with that
[12:23] <Neo_654> Anyone here run Ubuntu on a server?
[12:23] <stvn> mojo_: true, but it *is* wishfull thinking ;)
[12:23] <drspin> Br34ch: check if the driver is loaded
[12:23] <mojo_> stvn: joy... mov, avi, wmv all fail to load codexs in totem-gstreamer.  oye
[12:24] <stvn> mojo_: I tryffmpeg every nowand then, but when i want to see a movie i opt for totem-xine
[12:24] <LucidVisions> umm..hehe..the sound issue can be alot more complicated sometimes,ive put people in a mess of confusion on that subject before,so ill have to hand that off to someone else.
[12:24] <mojo_> lol starting esd back up does a little beep pattern in spkrs...
[12:25] <ogra> mojo_: man esd shows you the -nobeeps option ;)
[12:25] <mojo_> stvn: i have no probl trying the -xine backend.  totem ws written against it, i know that much.  same for ffmpeg... but what is reason for using one over other (assuming no config probl like me)
[12:25] <Br34ch> hmm, how can I actually check, drspin?
[12:26] <drspin> Br34ch: lsmod |grep snd
[12:26] <mojo_> orga: thx... the beeps were cool this once but would get annoying 4 sure
[12:26] <tritium> mojo_, gstreamer is freedesktop.org software
[12:27] <tritium> so, that's probably why they chose it
[12:28] <mojo_> tritium: I like freedesktop.org.  I have been playing with xfce4 for the past few days
[12:28] <tritium> mojo_, :)
[12:28] <drspin> xfce4 is nice -- I use it on my laptop
[12:28] <Br34ch> root@tosh:/home/khan # lsmod |grep snd // root@tosh:/home/khan //  <-- Uhm, so this means I don't have them I suppose, where should I be of to now? :s
[12:28] <drspin> if I could get it to boot anymore :(
[12:29] <Br34ch> drspin, are you that dude who was here earlier . . . with the n..something?
[12:29] <drspin> uh... huh?
[12:29] <Br34ch> Heh, nevermind, I guess not
[12:30] <drspin> LOL
[12:30] <mojo_> yeah, i like xfce4.  Have been switching between it and gnome.  Tried KDE for a while back in oct/nov on mandrake, before I got my new mobo and put ubuntu on it in dec
[12:31] <mojo_> drspin: your laptop won't boot?  that sux
[12:32] <bUDE_HR> hi
[12:32] <drspin> mojo_: yeah -- I need a Mac OS 9.0 or earlier CD -- have to use BootX -- I was trying to edit the partitions... and I borked it...
[12:33] <mojo_> drspin: ugh.  so you have an ibook then?
[12:33] <bUDE_HR> does anyone know how to install ubuntu on existing software raid0?
[12:33] <drspin> mojo_: Powerbook 3500c
[12:33] <mojo_> drspin: i gotta admit i like the osx macs, but they're still a bit pricey
[12:33] <drspin> mojo_: I use it for remote X sessions
[12:33] <Arkainium> how do you set the username/password of the printer host set in cups using the web interface?
[12:33] <mojo_> drspin: powerbook newer or older than ibooks?
[12:34] <bUDE_HR> plz..
[12:34] <drspin> mojo_: uhm... this laptop came out right before the G3 (or perhaps the one right before the G3)
[12:34] <tritium> mojo_, what about mac mini?
[12:34] <tritium> pretty inexpensive
[12:35] <mojo_> drspin: i wsn't up on apple for a while there but have been looking at them.  the mini is, imho, a product with some potential.  still pricey vs a pee cee but u can upgrade the hd and ram urself w/ laptop hdd and pc ram no prob
[12:36] <WW> Hello world.
[12:36] <drspin> yeah they're pretty neat...
[12:36] <mz2> drspin, no we're not, you can run ubuntu on a mac :)
[12:36] <mojo_> drspin: methinks a low-price mac that is descent for computernewbies (which mac has always been good at, imho) may have a market
[12:36] <drspin> mz2: ok carry on! ;)
[12:36] <WW> Yesterday I received an email about a security update for evolution.  The email said to update to evolution2.0.2-0ubuntu2.1.
[12:36] <LucidVisions> lol
[12:37] <drspin> slowly but surely Microsoft is losing market share in EVERY market it is in (except xbox)
[12:37] <WW> But I currently have evolution2.0.2-0ubuntu3.
[12:37] <tritium> I saw on Gentoo's latest weekly news linux running on a mac mini
[12:37] <drspin> :) :)
[12:37] <WW> The -0ubuntu3 version is from warty-updates.
[12:37] <WW> Does this version have the security patch?
[12:38] <mojo_> drspin: re MS - all things must pass... IBM had a nice monopoly there at one time... or, well, dominant position, anyway
[12:39] <drspin> mojo_: indeed --
[12:39] <WW> Or does the warty-updates repository not get security updates?
[12:40] <mojo_> drspin I think xbox is smart for MS considering what I see as focus... Bill always goes for the bottleneck and tries to control it.  UI/OS between users/ app vendors.  now going for console gives chance to control it if/when that goes set-top.
[12:40] <mojo_> I think bill's strategy is to try and always position as the gatekeeper, and continually charge for updates to the 'keys'
[12:42] <WW> Anybody?  ^
[12:43] <kent> hmm, Hoary dos not seem to have something registerd that should open .sxc files. strange, it should be openoffice.
[12:50] <mojo_> okie dokie thanks all esp stvn for help w/ totem.  GL drspin w/the pbook
[12:51] <mojo_> gtg, bye
[12:51] <tandy> does anyone know of another solution to shutting down ACPI problem that doesnt involve disabling acpi completely
[12:51] <bzbb> tandy, never shut down?
[12:52] <tandy> bzbb aha
[12:52] <bzbb> thats what I do
[12:52] <tandy> no tis a laptop
[12:52] <bzbb> I even got a UPS
[12:53] <tandy> i know everyone says to disable it but i would sitll liek to use it for battery state and stuff
[12:56] <bzbb> well, thats over my head
[01:02] <andril> hello all
[01:05] <Gwildor_> hi
[01:07] <Piero> hi
[01:08] <WW> s/its/it's/
[01:12] <Gwildor_> it is odly quiet, for the amount of ppl here
[01:13] <jcoxon77> it just means that ubuntu works for everyone :)
[01:13] <kent> Gwildor_, everyone is syncing up to ask questions at the same time ;)
[01:13] <tandy> modprobe acpi ...is this right?
[01:13] <Gwildor_> lol
[01:14] <tandy> thats good everyone can help me if they want :)
[01:15] <WW> Does anybody know if Ubuntu's warty-updates repository gets security updates?
[01:15] <kbrooks> tandy, fire away
[01:15] <kbrooks> WW, i say yes
[01:15] <tandy> kbrooks: im having problems with this acpi shutdown
[01:15] <tandy> is there suppsoed to be am odule in the lsmod list called "acpi"
[01:16] <tandy> or is it just parts liek battery, thermal ,etc
[01:16] <tritium> WW, it's probably called warty-security
[01:16] <tandy> i was reading forum and someone said to modprobe acpi but i get an error saying no such moduel exists
[01:16] <tritium> at least, that's what it's like in Hoary (hoary-security)
[01:17] <WW> kbrooks: I have evolution2.0.2-0ubuntu3 from warty-updates, but yesterday's email from Martin Pitt said the updated version is evolution2.0.2-0ubuntu2.1.  The -0ubuntu2.1 is currently in warty-security.
[01:19] <tandy> anyone?
[01:19] <WW> As far as synaptic is concerned, the version -0ubuntu3 in warty-updates is newer than -0ubuntu2.1 in warty-security.
[01:20] <yellowshark> hi all
[01:21] <farruinn> WW: is warty-updates on archive.ubuntu.com?
[01:22] <yellowshark> I'm trying to burn a DVD (just of data, not a movie or anything) using Nautilus in Warty and it keeps asking me to insert blank media, but there's already media in there
[01:23] <WW> farruinn: Yes.
[01:23] <yellowshark> anyone have a similar problem?
[01:24] <mcphail> yellowshark: can you burn CDs?
[01:27] <quarupted> Man i love this OS
[01:27] <quarupted> I just want streaming audio
[01:28] <quarupted> how do i get java? apt-get install Java ?
[01:28] <mcphail> quarupted: http://ubuntuguide.org
[01:28] <kent> quarupted, i get streaming audio with realaudio. (it works like a charm for me..)
[01:29] <tandy> is ther soemthign mayeb i have to setup in AMI bios to help with shutdown ?
[01:29] <quarupted> so what about java, the plugin i downloaded was a.bin
[01:29] <quarupted> can ubuntu run rpm's?
[01:29] <quarupted> is there a .deb for java ?
[01:29] <snowblink> There is a limit to 8 virtual desktops on GNOME?
[01:30] <farruinn> quarupted: stay away from rpm's
[01:30] <farruinn> best to keep with apt
[01:30] <quarupted> so is there a deb for java?
[01:30] <tritium> quarupted, there are ways to build a java .deb
[01:30] <mcphail> quarupted: follow the above link. the .bin is fine
[01:31] <farruinn> snowblink: not sure about this, but perhaps using a different window manager will allow more
[01:31] <cardador> quarupted: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#jre
[01:32] <yellowshark> mcfail: sorry, was away for a few, I'll try to burn a cd right now
[01:33] <WW> snowblink: I just right-clicked on the workspace icons on the lower task bar, and selected preferences.  It then let me create 36 workspaces!
[01:35] <Gwildor_> kent: seems you were right about the syncing
[01:36] <snowblink> WW: I can get the number up to 36, but only 8 actually exist
[01:36] <yellowshark> mcfail: Not able to burn a CD either
[01:36] <Gwildor_> snowblink: do you have a scrollwheel, maybe the pager only can shpw up to 8?
[01:37] <mcphail> yellowshark: i had this problem. Have you installed libnautilus-burn (or whatever it is) and cdrecord?
[01:37] <farruinn> heh, I actually only get 4 workspaces, despite choosing 36
[01:38] <snowblink> Gwildor_: surely I should be able to see the list to rename 36?
[01:38] <Gwildor_> well, idk, sorry
[01:38] <Gwildor_> haven used gnome in ages
[01:39] <CVirus> what package manager does ubuntu use ?
[01:39] <godsmoke> apt
[01:39] <yellowshark> mcphail: I haven't installed it manually, so if it didn't come pre-installed, then no, I'll check right now
[01:39] <godsmoke> time to read a few introductory wiki articles
[01:39] <benn> Hello!
[01:40] <LinuxJones> hi benn
[01:40] <benn> How 'stable' is Hoary right now ?
[01:40] <benn> hi LinuxJones
[01:40] <godsmoke> benn: constantly 'broken' in some sense
[01:40] <godsmoke> that's to be expected
[01:40] <benn> what kind of critical bugs ?
[01:40] <godsmoke> it's not a static thing
[01:41] <godsmoke> most bugs probably aren't even known
[01:41] <yellowshark> mcphail: both are installed
[01:41] <mcphail> yellowshark: you'll need to reconfigure
[01:41] <benn> godsmoke: ahh, then for a regular user its stable enouhg ?
[01:41] <godsmoke> benn: no -- it's probably not
[01:41] <godsmoke> regular users should stick to warty
[01:41] <mcphail> yellowshark: dpkg-reconfigure -a
[01:41] <yellowshark> mcphail: both were already installed, I didn't need to install anything
[01:42] <godsmoke> people with experience managing 'cutting-edge' software may want to run hoary
[01:42] <mcphail> yellowshark: my cdrecord installed without some files. Try the reconfigure command. You might just have to point it at cdrecord
[01:43] <benn> welll, it'll be better wait until April
[01:43] <godsmoke> benn: ?
[01:43] <benn> hoary is sheduled for April right ?
[01:43] <mcphail> yellowshark: i then had to reboot. After that everything worked
[01:44] <godsmoke> benn: well -- it's scheduled to be released, yes -- from your questions, it sounds like you should run the "release" distribution -- whichever that is at the time -- now it's warty, in april, it will be hoary
[01:44] <tritium> nautilus doesn't use cdrecord
[01:45] <mcphail> tritium: well, i couldn't burn anything without doing the above.
[01:45] <benn> yes 'm runing warty, I've added several warty entries to sources.list
[01:45] <benn> including security and warty-update
[01:46] <benn> I try to update my system every week
[01:46] <godsmoke> ok
[01:46] <godsmoke> well, it sounds like you're a pretty standard user for warty
[01:46] <godsmoke> hoary probably wouldn't be a good choice for you
[01:46] <benn> yeah, it's very stable
[01:46] <benn> yes, maybe
[01:47] <benn> I got the idea to upgrade hoary because I saw a couple of ubuntu screenshots running Gnome-2.10 and other nice stuff
[01:47] <godsmoke> hoary uses gnome 2.9
[01:47] <benn> hehe
[01:47] <godsmoke> but ... really, that's not a reason to upgrade
[01:48] <benn> ohh, ok, 2.9
[01:48] <yellowshark> mcphail: it did say that cdrecord was missing some device files...
[01:48] <yellowshark> mcphail: I'm rebooting now
[01:48] <benn> godsmoke: I know,
[01:48] <mcphail> yellowshark: good luck
[01:48] <godsmoke> benn: ok -- just looking out for ya :)
[01:48] <farruinn> testing, providing feedback, in general acting as a guinea pig - that's a good reason ;P
[01:48] <benn> godsmoke: ok, thankyou anyway, u convinced me to wait :)
[01:49] <godsmoke> farruinn: plenty of other, nice-sounding reasons too :)
[01:49] <tandy> if my laptop didnt support acpi i wouldnt be able to use any modulesl iek battery, and thermal and stuff right?
[01:50] <benn> good bye!
[01:51] <yellowshark> mcphail: still nothing, I'll try just using cdrecord, and no nautilus
[01:51] <mcphail> yellowshark: if it doesn't work, try dpk-reconfigure -a and go through the whole list
[01:52] <mcphail> dpkg
[01:52] <bebek> hello
[01:52] <BockBilbo> anyone here has workout with freedesktop menu editing?
[01:52] <bebek> xine-check told me that DMA is disabled for my dvd drive.. how can i enable it? my playback for dvd movies are jerky
[01:53] <scizzo> bebek: sudo hdparm -d1 -c1 /dev/dvd if you have that device or are using it for the dvd stuff
[01:53] <bebek> ok...
[01:53] <bebek> thx
[01:53] <quarupted> the faq says to do sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla  but apt says there no package?
[01:53] <BockBilbo> Ive been able to edit and add links to the men list, but i dont know why i cannot add a new submenu for the applications menu
[01:54] <oficina> hello! I have a ***huge*** messup here. I somehow got a 20GB hard drive (empty) to be split up in 2 partitions of 15GB each!!!!!
[01:54] <BockBilbo> ive created the .desktop and .menu files
[01:54] <oficina> daniels here?
[01:54] <zuurcool> oficina: cool!
[01:54] <yellowshark> mcphail: that's what I did, just before I rebooted
[01:54] <oficina> zuurcool: heeeelllp
[01:54] <BockBilbo> appart from adding the category of the menu im creating to some apps
[01:54] <BockBilbo> and then
[01:55] <yellowshark> thanks for the help hough!
[01:55] <mcphail> yellowshark: that was the end of my problems, i'm afraid
[01:55] <BockBilbo> ive modified the /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu file.. and restarted gnome-panel.. but doesnt seen to work
[01:55] <zuurcool> oficina: can you repartition ?
[01:55] <bebek> scizzo: it says that operation not permitted
[01:55] <BockBilbo> anyone has tried that???
[01:55] <BockBilbo> please ... :$
[01:55] <farruinn> quarupted: perhaps you have to enable universe or multiverse
[01:55] <scizzo> with sudo?
[01:55] <bebek> yes
[01:55] <scizzo> weird
[01:56] <bebek>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[01:56] <oficina> zuurcool: I've been trying to. But parted in linux won't let me, PartitionMagic gives me error 48, and Windows' fdisk can't handle it. THIS DISK WAS FINE 20 MINUTES AGO!
[01:56] <scizzo> aaa...
[01:56] <quarupted> i think i did in synaptic
[01:57] <scizzo> bebek: try using the normal device then
[01:57] <bebek> ???
[01:57] <scizzo> bebek: more /etc/fstab
[01:57] <bebek> oh
[01:57] <scizzo> bebek: find the DVD player
[01:57] <farruinn> quarupted: are you on ppc?
[01:57] <quarupted> ppc?
[01:57] <quarupted> what is that?
[01:57] <quarupted> Im on warty
[01:57] <scizzo> sudo hdparm -c1 -d1 /dev/hdx
[01:57] <bebek> like /media/cdrom0 ?
[01:57] <zuurcool> oficina: have you tried cfdisk or fdisk ?
[01:57] <quarupted> farruinn, ?
[01:57] <bebek> i did that, hdparm -c1 -d1 /dev/hda , still gives me the same error
[01:57] <scizzo> bebek: no not the mount point
[01:57] <farruinn> quarupted: a mac (ppc = powerpc, arch), because it doesn't exist for ppc
[01:58] <BockBilbo> crimsun, you there?
[01:58] <mcphail> yellowshark: is /etc/fstab ok?
[01:58] <scizzo> bebek: that does not help a lot
[01:58] <quarupted> no im on 686
[01:58] <quarupted> how do i make gnome less like mac lol
[01:58] <scizzo> bebek: you need to tell it exactly what to put the options on
[01:58] <oficina> zuurcool: I just started reading the linux man page for fdisk, cuz it not as straightforawrd as windows
[01:58] <scizzo> bebek: and I hardly belive that the DVD player is on hda
[01:59] <eyequeue> quarupted: you mean no gui?
[01:59] <bebek> it is on /dev/hda... by looking at device manager on Gnome
[01:59] <BockBilbo> bebeck
[01:59] <repete> quarupted, too bad... That seems to be the greatest influence. :-)
[01:59] <BockBilbo> try
[01:59] <BockBilbo> /dev/hdc
[01:59] <BockBilbo> its the most normal link
[01:59] <bebek> no such thing.....
[01:59] <scizzo> bebek: hda is the first disk
[01:59] <oficina> "Error #109: Partition starts after end of disk."
[01:59] <bebek> coz i have scsi harddrive
[01:59] <farruinn> quarupted: I think that the flash plugin from macromedia would work best for you
[01:59] <rob_ubuntu> does anyone know where Firefox keeps its favorite
[01:59] <scizzo> bebek: hmmm
[01:59] <zuurcool> cfdisk: is a bit more like w*ndows fdisk
[01:59] <rob_ubuntu> favorites
[02:00] <farruinn> quarupted: it's one of the few non-apt things I would install
[02:00] <BockBilbo> ~/.firefox
[02:00] <BockBilbo> ?
[02:00] <ubhuti> BockBilbo: I give up, what is it?
[02:00] <bebek> what's "via support" ?
[02:00] <BockBilbo> ubhuti, what do you mean?
[02:00] <repete> bebek, if it is scsi then it is likely /dev/sda or something like that
[02:00] <bebek> looking at internet, this guy forgot to enable the "via support" to be able to do hdparm
[02:00] <tritium> farruinn, flashplugin is available
[02:00] <ubhuti> Bugger all, I dunno, BockBilbo
[02:00] <quarupted> farruinn,  will it install a flash plugin in firefox?
[02:00] <rob_ubuntu> no .firefox directory
[02:00] <repete> oh, sorry, I didn't read...
[02:01] <farruinn> BockBilbo: ubhuti is a bot
[02:01] <rob_ubuntu> and yes i know that .before the dire means it hidden
[02:01] <bebek> repete: i'm trying to enable the dma on my ide dvd drive, which is on /dev/hda
[02:01] <BockBilbo> oh
[02:01] <quarupted> farruinn,  i need firefox plugin
[02:01] <farruinn> tritium: for ppc?
[02:01] <BockBilbo> xD
[02:01] <BockBilbo> lol
[02:01] <eyequeue> rob_ubuntu: .mozilla-firefox
[02:01] <repete> bebek, yea, sorry I thought you said it was a scsi dvd
[02:01] <tritium> farruinn, hmm, I thought so, but maybe not.
[02:01] <BockBilbo> nope
[02:01] <rob_ubuntu> nop no .mozill-firefox
[02:01] <Fazer> Hello, I have a problem botting the Live CD
[02:01] <BockBilbo> rob_ubuntu,
[02:01] <BockBilbo> ~/mozilla/firefox
[02:01] <ubhuti> BockBilbo: I give up, what is it?
[02:01] <Fazer> *booting
[02:01] <BockBilbo> xD
[02:01] <rob_ubuntu> there is mozilla but i cant find the favorites
[02:01] <oficina> zuurcool: linux fdisk won't access it
[02:01] <oficina> dammit
[02:02] <cardador> quarupted: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#flash-mozilla
[02:02] <farruinn> quarupted: I believe so
[02:02] <BockBilbo>  ~./mozilla/firefox
[02:02] <ubhuti> No idea, BockBilbo
[02:02] <Fazer> Every time I boot using the Live CD, I get a Kernel Panic, attempting to kill init
[02:02] <repete> Fazer, what's the issue?
[02:02] <rob_ubuntu> bockbilbo there is nothing there that says favortess
[02:02] <eyequeue> rob_ubuntu: ls -ad ~/.mozilla-firefox
[02:02] <oficina> zuurcool: should the disk be mounted or unmounted?
[02:02] <Fazer> repete: Every time I boot using the Live CD, I get a Kernel Panic, attempting to kill init
[02:02] <zuurcool> oficina: unmounted
[02:02] <Fazer> and then it just hangs
[02:02] <oficina>     FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive
[02:02] <oficina>                   Press any key to exit cfdisk
[02:02] <quarupted> cardador,  please dont try to help if you dont know the peoblem, i tried that allready as i allready said and apt couldnt find that package and yes i have multi and universe
[02:02] <eyequeue> rob_ubuntu: ls -ad ~/.mozilla-thunderbird, was what i was thinking about, sorry
[02:02] <scizzo> bebek: how are things listed in fstab?
[02:02] <repete> Fazer, that is usually a problem with the drivers for hardware.  Do you have a scsi hard drive or anything?
[02:02] <oficina> zuurcool: did I just fry this disk?
[02:03] <bebek> /dev/hda        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[02:03] <Fazer> repete: This is a Thinkpad, kinda old though. so not sure.
[02:03] <Fazer> 600E
[02:03] <zuurcool> oficina: which device name are you using ?
[02:03] <repete> ah... should work find a 600E
[02:03] <Fazer> Eh?
[02:03] <BockBilbo> rob_ubuntu,
[02:03] <BockBilbo> here you have it
[02:04] <oficina> zuurcool: fdisk -s /mnt/hda1
[02:04] <BockBilbo> -->~/.mozilla/firefox/XXXXXdefault/bookmarks.html
[02:04] <defile> okay, I'm at wits end with something, how do I disable certain modules from loading?
[02:04] <repete> Does Ubuntu have a --no-probe or anything?
[02:04] <quarupted> I like KE better than gnome, how to install?
[02:04] <quarupted> KDE
[02:04] <defile> er properly
[02:04] <repete> for boot that...
[02:04] <swj> I am new...what do you guys think of ubuntu vs Fedora core 3...I have fc3 right now...(I am not trolling, I am really new to linux)
[02:04] <oficina> zuurcool: AND also try fdisk -s /dev/hda1
[02:04] <zuurcool> oficina: you have to use fdisk /dev/hda
[02:04] <BockBilbo> rob_ubuntu, got that?
[02:04] <oficina> Unable to open /dev/hda
[02:04] <Fazer> repete: When do I give that command?
[02:04] <repete> Fazer, when you are booting you can pass kernel parameters
[02:05] <bebek> oh no......
[02:05] <repete> Fazer, but I'm not sure what exactly it is...
[02:05] <Fazer> repete, Ah, I see
[02:05] <bebek> i have to recompile the kernel and enable the chipset .....
[02:05] <oficina> fdisk /dev/hda1 gives "Unable to open /dev/hda1 "
[02:05] <scizzo> bebek: you need to do that in the kernel yes
[02:05] <bebek> it seems that to enable that dma i have to enable the chipset in the kernel.......
[02:05] <bebek> scizzo: is there any easy way of doing this?
[02:05] <zuurcool> oficina: dmesg | grep hd?
[02:05] <oficina> zuurcool: aahhh AT THIS POINT, I just wanna nuke the partitions and startover. HOW??
[02:06] <scizzo> bebek: the best is to actually recompile the kernel with that stuff
[02:06] <BockBilbo> oficina,
[02:06] <scizzo> bebek: its my suggestion to you
[02:06] <BockBilbo> insert the ubuntu instalation cd
[02:06] <bebek> hmmm
[02:06] <BockBilbo> and run it
[02:06] <BockBilbo> ;)
[02:06] <swj> how would I do a custom install of ubuntu (I do not want some preinstalled apps)
[02:06] <repete> Fazer, I think it is just "noprobe" (without the quotes, of course)
[02:06] <cardador> quarupted: being agressive wont take you nowhere. read the howto a little better, cause you must have missed something.
[02:06] <scizzo> bebek: use the lspci list to find out other chipsets also
[02:06] <bebek> intel
[02:06] <zuurcool> oficina: you have to know what the device name is
[02:06] <repete> Fazer, this will mean you have to specify your hardware though...
[02:06] <Fazer> repete: Ah okay, I place that when the screen shows up saying I have 4 seconds to ask.
[02:06] <quarupted> cardador, what are you talking about, all it says is apt-get install package name
[02:06] <oficina> zuurcool: wait WAIT. I just recognized the last 5 commands I was not root. sorry brb
[02:07] <repete> Fazer, yes, exactly.
[02:07] <Fazer> repete: Oh, that sux..
[02:07] <oficina> zuurcool: Command (m for help):
[02:07] <mcphail> Can anyone tell me if and where ubuntu caches DNS responses?
[02:07] <zuurcool> oficina: that's better
[02:07] <repete> Fazer, yea it is a b*tch, but it is the only way (I know of) that you will find out what is causing the kernel panic
[02:07] <zuurcool> oficina: also try cfdisk
[02:07] <BockBilbo> mcphail,
[02:07] <eyequeue> mcphail: running nscd?
[02:07] <tritium> swj, there is a custom option.
[02:07] <BockBilbo> nslookup?
[02:08] <repete> Has anyone here tried the Live CD for PPC?
[02:08] <Fazer> repete: Ah okay, I'll try that now.  Ttyl =/
[02:08] <repete> good luck :-)
[02:08] <bodhi> hi, i have a p-IV box, but ubuntu installed the kernel version 386. anyone know why and that is right?
[02:08] <BockBilbo> bodhi,
[02:08] <tritium> bebek, why do you want to build a custom kernel?
[02:08] <BockBilbo> is the default kernel
[02:08] <BockBilbo> upgrade it
[02:08] <oficina> zuurcool: fdisk at least responds. cfdisk says "  FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 1: Partition ends after end-of-disk                              Press any key to exit cfdisk"
[02:08] <BockBilbo> check in synaptis
[02:08] <eyequeue> bodhi: that is your architechture
[02:08] <BockBilbo> for the linux image 686
[02:08] <mcphail> eyequeue: don't know. How can I tell?
[02:09] <swj> tritium, the only thing I found is something that was asking me to load a network driver etc...I guess I am asking custom in terms of just apps...I did not see that
[02:09] <cardador> quarupted: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#synaptic
[02:09] <zuurcool> oficina: then stick to fdisk
[02:09] <bebek> tritium: coz my chipset is not enabled in the kernel, and i can't hdparm my dvd drive to enable the dma
[02:09] <tritium> swj, oh...
[02:09] <eyequeue> mcphail: dpkg -l nscd
[02:09] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, have you messed up the menus in ubuntu?
[02:09] <quarupted> cardador,  just stop talking to me please if you wold have listened i have neen through that
[02:09] <tritium> bebek, is there a module you can install for it?
[02:09] <oficina> zuurcool: ok, now what? I-m on fdisk. How do I nuke the thing
[02:09] <swj> tritium, the only thing I know is fedora core 3....
[02:09] <eyequeue> BockBilbo: pardon?
[02:09] <bebek> tritium: how do i know?
[02:09] <tritium> what chipset?
[02:10] <bebek>  Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family)
[02:10] <mcphail> eyequeue: No packages found matching nscd.
[02:10] <bebek> don't know if that's the one.. that's the output from lspci
[02:10] <tritium> swj, what about going through the default install, and then removing what you don't want?
[02:10] <zuurcool> oficina: use p to see what's on the disk
[02:10] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, i mean if you have messed adding and organizing the application menu in ubuntu hoary?
[02:10] <eyequeue> mcphail: i would guess you're not running it then, heh, sorry
[02:10] <zuurcool> oficina: use d to delete (nuke) a partition
[02:10] <BockBilbo> following the freedesktop specifications
[02:10] <bodhi> what should i do? Just install that kernel-image and let ubuntu to configure grub and the rest?
[02:11] <BockBilbo> yeah
[02:11] <eyequeue> BockBilbo: i'm not sure where your question comes from.  i don't run hoary
[02:11] <BockBilbo> thats all
[02:11] <BockBilbo> mmm
[02:11] <oficina> zuurcool: my network connection is threating me to fail, I'm freaking out, pastebin won't work, where do I post output of p
[02:11] <bodhi> ok
[02:11] <mcphail> eyequeue: ta anyway
[02:11] <AlexN> anyone want to answer me a samba question?
[02:11] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, its just a question.. im trying to add a submenu to the app menu
[02:11] <BockBilbo> and cant find anyone who has done it
[02:11] <BockBilbo> :S
[02:11] <zuurcool> oficina: good question
[02:12] <bebek> i can't start mplayer, it says: relocation error: /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.0
[02:12] <scizzo> BockBilbo: this sounds more like a question to ask in a gnome channel
[02:12] <BockBilbo> ive asked it in there
[02:12] <oficina> zuurcool: join #flood please, I will post there
[02:12] <BockBilbo> but none knows
[02:12] <BockBilbo> well
[02:12] <Quest-Master> Whoa
[02:12] <eyequeue> BockBilbo: i would guess you can probably add a direcory under Applications > Run ... and putting in applications:/// or wharever it is
[02:12] <BockBilbo> no one talks..
[02:12] <Quest-Master> I can see the other computer on my network
[02:12] <Quest-Master> But I go to network:///
[02:12] <BockBilbo> aplications:// has dissapeared in hoary
[02:12] <BockBilbo> ;)
[02:12] <Quest-Master> Click on Windows Network
[02:13] <Quest-Master> Click on workgroup
[02:13] <Quest-Master> And then the other computer in my network
[02:13] <Quest-Master> But it says I don't have permissions to view it
[02:13] <Quest-Master> As root, or as normal user
[02:13] <Quest-Master> :\
[02:13] <BockBilbo> Quest-Master,
[02:13] <quarupted> anyone had any luck compiling Winex with source from the cvs?
[02:13] <Quest-Master> Yeah?
[02:13] <BockBilbo> you need the passwd of the remote pc
[02:13] <Quest-Master> Ok
[02:13] <BockBilbo> and an user name
[02:13] <BockBilbo> if the other pc
[02:13] <BockBilbo> is running winxp
[02:13] <Quest-Master> How do I get into it then?
[02:13] <eyequeue> BockBilbo: three-slashes? :( no idea then
[02:14] <Quest-Master> I have the username and password
[02:14] <Quest-Master> Where do I put them in to be able to access the computer?
[02:14] <BockBilbo> i think it works with the user an passwd of the winxp system
[02:14] <BockBilbo> it must ask you for them
[02:14] <quarupted> anyone compiled a good build of winex?
[02:14] <BockBilbo> at least thats how it works for me
[02:14] <Quest-Master> Well, it's a Win2000 computer
[02:14] <scizzo> quarupted: winex is not free
[02:14] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, ;) thanks anyway
[02:15] <bodhi> BockBilbo: what are the differences between linux-image and kernel-image?
[02:15] <eyequeue> BockBilbo: good luck
[02:15] <scizzo> quarupted: you need to read more about it and find out that you actually need to pay for it
[02:15] <BockBilbo> hold on bodhi
[02:15] <BockBilbo> thanks eyequeue
[02:15] <BockBilbo> i guess ill do a wiki howto for this
[02:16] <BockBilbo> bodhi,
[02:16] <BockBilbo> not sure
[02:16] <BockBilbo> i think the kernel image is the source
[02:16] <bob2> bodhi: kernel-image are old ones from debian, ignore them
[02:16] <scizzo> hmmm
[02:16] <BockBilbo> to compile thhe kernel
[02:16] <bob2> BockBilbo: no
[02:16] <BockBilbo> ..
[02:16] <BockBilbo> oh
[02:16] <BockBilbo> ok
[02:16] <BockBilbo> xD
[02:16] <scizzo> I should sleep
[02:16] <scizzo> night
[02:16] <bodhi> ok  ... maybe 2.4 -> kernel-image and 2.6 -> linux-image
[02:16] <cg0def> does the ubuntu pkg db really contain everything that debian has?
[02:16] <BockBilbo> bob2,
[02:16] <quarupted> scizzo,  i think you should read more cause they have the source on there CVS lol
[02:16] <bodhi> ok bob2
[02:16] <stvn> hm
[02:16] <BockBilbo> have you tried to add a submenu to the app menu?
[02:16] <oficina> zuurcool: I will reboot. Bye
[02:17] <scizzo> quarupted: the CVS yes
[02:17] <cg0def> I though debian pkgs are not exactly 1 to 1 compatible to ubuntu
[02:17] <bodhi> bob2: thank you
[02:17] <zuurcool> bye
[02:17] <scizzo> quarupted: I didn't read that you where trying CVS sorry about that...but winex itself is not free
[02:17] <bob2> bodhi: no, it's nothing to do with versions, it's just that kernel-* come from Debian and linux-* come from ubuntu and include a ton more drivers
[02:17] <bob2> cg0def: depends what you mean by compatible
[02:17] <eyequeue> cg0def: one might say ubuntu has more, three ssh packages not one, lol
[02:18] <scizzo> quarupted: one of the reasons I said I need to sleep
[02:18] <scizzo> :P
[02:18] <cg0def> yeah but overall does debian have more pkgs or ubuntu?
[02:19] <bob2> eyequeue: that split will happen in Debian after sarge, too
[02:19] <bob2> cg0def: Debian has more.
[02:19] <scizzo> quarupted: sorry that I missunderstood....and that I am to tired to actually see everything... :P
[02:19] <scizzo> night everyone
[02:19] <bj_> ooh gnome 2.9.9
[02:19] <eyequeue> cg0def: each would depend on what's in sources.list, i'd guess sid is larger than warty for sure
[02:20] <Surphaze> so what is the trick to installing the j2sdk packages? it fails saying its missing a dependency but not saying what
[02:20] <mcphail> Is there any advantage in changing from i386 to i686 kernel with Pentium M processor?
[02:21] <eyequeue> mcphail: sure
[02:21] <mcphail> eyequeue: what difference will it make?
[02:21] <eyequeue> mcphail: slight speed increases, since you'll use 486 instruction, etc, that 386 can't
[02:21] <BockBilbo> mcphail, there is
[02:21] <eyequeue> mcphail: things are more optimized for your cpu
[02:22] <cg0def> eyequeue: well I wasn't actually asking about all the packes including the ones in world
[02:22] <mcphail> eyequeue: is it likely to break anything. Current setup running nicely
[02:22] <BockBilbo> at least i see that its working better
[02:22] <BockBilbo> for example
[02:22] <BockBilbo> the 386 didnt recognized my 1024 mgbites of ram
[02:22] <BockBilbo> and the 686 does
[02:22] <BockBilbo> ..
[02:23] <eyequeue> mcphail: no, don't delete the old kernel package, just add the new, and you can still boot to the old if you so choose, from the grub menu
[02:23] <kent> has any one heard of Avant digitalcameras? im wondering if Avant DC520 will work in linux? (if its usb mass storage, or will work with gphoto.. )
[02:23] <cg0def> eyequeue: I am asking because I saw 2 different reviews saying the ubuntu doesn't work exactly like debian and that for them debian was easier to use so I was trying to figure out if that was true
[02:23] <BockBilbo> mcphail, delete once you see you wont use it anymore
[02:23] <mcphail> I'll give it a try. Thanks
[02:23] <hams> when the ubuntu initial install booted of disk, i saw it say something about /dev/sda1 had a bad logical block, it didn't try to write back to the disk did it?
[02:23] <eyequeue> mcphail: it's a nady way to test ... when you're sure, then remove the 386 package
[02:23] <eyequeue> mcphail: handy i mean
[02:25] <mcphail> good. i'm downloading
[02:28] <BockBilbo> anyone here using hoary?
[02:28] <tritium> yes
[02:28] <BockBilbo> tritium,
[02:28] <hou5ton> I downloaded Ubuntu and tried two different burns, .... but when I try to install it, .. it gets to about the third step (choosing what language) and then locks up?
[02:28] <hou5ton> any ideas?
[02:28] <BockBilbo> could you try this and tell me if it works for you?
[02:28] <BockBilbo> :
[02:28] <BockBilbo> http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/Adding%20Menu%20Entries%20in%20FC2
[02:28] <BockBilbo> ive tried it
[02:28] <BockBilbo> but doesnt work for me
[02:28] <BockBilbo> :S
[02:29] <tritium> let me read it
[02:29] <bodhi> it's time to sleep, just to say that you really help me, BockBilbo and bob2, thank you and well done
[02:29] <bob2> BockBilbo: you'll note that is for Fedora
[02:29] <Scognito> hi all
[02:29] <BockBilbo> bob2, i have
[02:29] <Scognito> why my ubuntu cannot recognized any blank disc?
[02:30] <Scognito> k3b and gnome-cd-burner tell me there is no media in
[02:30] <BockBilbo> thats why im asking in this channel.. cause i think the problem i have is a distro thing
[02:30] <bob2> indeed
[02:30] <bob2> so, you should have come in and said "How do I edit the menus in Hoary?"
[02:30] <bob2> after reading the FAQ
[02:30] <bob2> then someone will tell you "go to applications:///" in nautilus
[02:31] <BockBilbo> bob3
[02:31] <zenwhen> 4
[02:31] <BockBilbo> applications:/// in nautilus didnt work in hoary
[02:31] <BockBilbo> perhaps ive been asking this in this channel lately :s
[02:31] <tritium> BockBilbo, I don't have the time for that right now.
[02:31] <BockBilbo> ok tritium thanks anyway
[02:31] <BockBilbo> *bob2
[02:31] <bob2> oh well, try the list I guess
[02:32] <cg0def> BockBilbo: yeah that doesn't work in gnome 2.9.* anymore
[02:32] <mcphail> BockBilbo: can't you just right click on the menus?
[02:32] <cg0def> BockBilbo: you can't edit your menu like you used to yet
[02:32] <BockBilbo> cg0def,
[02:32] <hou5ton> I downloaded Ubuntu and tried two different burns, .... but when I try to install it, .. it gets to about the third step (choosing what language) and then locks up?
[02:32] <BockBilbo> but its possible to add apps to the submenus
[02:32] <hou5ton> I downloaded Ubuntu and tried two different burns, .... but when I try to install it, .. it gets to about the third step (choosing what language) and then locks up?
[02:32] <Scognito> cg0def is right
[02:32] <BockBilbo> ive done it 20 mins ago
[02:32] <BockBilbo> its really easy
[02:32] <cg0def> the gnome-vfs menu widget is no longer used
[02:32] <bob2> hou5ton: please stop repeating
[02:33] <BockBilbo> its on the url ive pasted before
[02:33] <hams> hou5ton: had a similar problem with hoary for amd64
[02:33] <bob2> hou5ton: if you've made sure the CD burnt correctly, ask on the list
[02:33] <hou5ton> bob2:  it was accidental
[02:33] <BockBilbo> the problem i have is tu add a new submenu
[02:33] <BockBilbo> for example, ive added a xine link to the audio and video submenu
[02:34] <BockBilbo> and modified
[02:34] <BockBilbo> some icons... for example the firefox icon, adding the official one
[02:34] <quarupted> Ubuntu doesnt come with GCC or any compiler?
[02:34] <cg0def> BockBilbo: well like I said some things have to be done trough manually modifing the config files
[02:34] <quarupted> checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
[02:34] <quarupted> checking for gcc... no
[02:34] <quarupted> checking for cc... no
[02:34] <quarupted> checking for cc... no
[02:34] <quarupted> checking for cl... no
[02:34] <quarupted> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[02:34] <quarupted> See `config.log' for more details.
[02:34] <|QuaD-> bob2: i was looking at the hoary timeline, i am confused, when do we stop with updated packages?
[02:34] <BockBilbo> the problem is that id want to add a new submenu for the apps i use in college
[02:34] <BockBilbo> :S
[02:35] <BockBilbo> cg0def, yes...
[02:35] <BockBilbo> at this point all
[02:35] <bob2> quarupted: please don't flood in here
[02:35] <BockBilbo> :p
[02:35] <bob2> quarupted: and you need to install build-essential
[02:35] <bob2> |QuaD-: it was a few weeks ago, iirc
[02:35] <quarupted> sorry :(
[02:35] <tritium> BockBilbo, they're working on that.  It'll be available really soon.  It's just that the menu system has been changed.
[02:36] <cg0def> well you should probably go to freedesktop and learn how to edit the new mime menu system or go back to the stable branch of gnome
[02:36] <BockBilbo> tritium, yes
[02:36] <|QuaD-> bob2: so now its just bug fixes?
[02:36] <tritium> they're using the freedesktop.org standards, and the transition has taken a while
[02:36] <cg0def> that actually not the reason why it's missing
[02:37] <BockBilbo> ..
[02:37] <cg0def> the menu widget is take out of gnome because it was extremely buggy and writing a replacement takes some time
[02:37] <BockBilbo> yes..
[02:37] <hams> how do i install that build-essential?
[02:37] <BockBilbo> it had loots of problems
[02:37] <BockBilbo> hams synaptic
[02:37] <farruinn> hams sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:37] <BockBilbo> or apt
[02:37] <quarupted> okat i needed flex and bison
[02:38] <BockBilbo> anyways... i hope they do a menu config app soon
[02:38] <cg0def> has anybody experienced problems with the install cd on an nforce2 400ultra mobo?
[02:38] <cg0def> it says that no cdrom can be found and I have no idea why
[02:38] <hams> can i use apt-get to get the 6629 nvidia driver?
[02:38] <BockBilbo> hams, find for it
[02:38] <BockBilbo> open synaptic
[02:39] <BockBilbo> and search nvidia
[02:39] <BockBilbo> if you have it there
[02:39] <BockBilbo> you can get it
[02:39] <BockBilbo> otherwise
[02:39] <BockBilbo> try downloading it from the official site or from any mirror
[02:39] <BockBilbo> or
[02:39] <BockBilbo> find an apt repository that has it on google
[02:39] <hams> how do i find?
[02:39] <hams> note i've only got console no X
[02:40] <Gwildor_> use aptitude
[02:40] <BockBilbo> mm
[02:40] <BockBilbo> apt-cache search nvidia
[02:40] <quarupted> wow this script makes it pretty easy to install cedega for free
[02:40] <bob2> |QuaD-: new packages don't get pulled in from sis automatically anymore, but they can come in manually to fix bugs, yes
[02:40] <cg0def> quarupted: what script is that
[02:41] <MrTrick> Hello
[02:41] <|QuaD-> bob2: thanks for the clarifications :) now we just gotta wait for the release! :)
[02:41] <hams> i see stuff like *-2.6.8.1-x-amd64-k8, but how do i know what version of the driver that installs?
[02:41] <Quest-Master> How do I install new fonts for use in all of my applications? (AbiWord, Gimp, etc.)
[02:41] <quarupted> cg0def, you want a link to the script?
[02:42] <cg0def> yeah sure
[02:42] <BockBilbo> quarupted, me too
[02:42] <bob2> hams: of what driver?
[02:42] <quarupted> can i post links in here?
[02:42] <hams> bob2, nvidia drivers
[02:42] <quarupted> ?
[02:42] <BockBilbo> mcphail, :p
[02:42] <quarupted> i guess i will find out
[02:42] <bob2> hams: look in the changelog for whatever version of linux-restricted-modules you have installed
[02:42] <quarupted> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[02:43] <MrTrick> Can someone suggest how to change the refresh rate for my monitor before I gouge my eyes out with a spoon? :-)
[02:43] <quarupted> that gives you the CVS script
[02:43] <farruinn> Quest-Master: fonts:/// in nautilus might be what  you're looking for
[02:43] <hams> bob2, i just used the release-warty to install my system, i haven;t installed any drivers yet
[02:43] <Scognito> can someone give me a hand to get my recorder working on ubuntu?
[02:44] <mcphail> Scognito: I thought i had the answers for this, but sent someonein the wrong direction earlier
[02:44] <Quest-Master> farruinn: Exactly what I was looking for. :D
[02:44] <Scognito> mcphail, let's try
[02:44] <farruinn> Quest-Master: you'll probably have to open nautilus with gksu to have sufficient privileges
[02:44] <Quest-Master> I can just paste my TTFs in there?
[02:44] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[02:44] <Scognito> my recorder seems to be recognized by k3b
[02:44] <farruinn> Quest-Master: afaik that's the way to do it
[02:44] <BockBilbo> bob2, the OOo2 packages are really unstable
[02:44] <BockBilbo> right?
[02:44] <Scognito> i want to test if it is recognized by cdrecord too
[02:44] <Quest-Master> Ok. :)
[02:45] <Scognito> i'm using 2.6.9 and hoary
[02:45] <mcphail> Scognito: cdrecord is a minefield. I'm on warty
[02:45] <hams> mrtrick, set vsync to 70?
[02:45] <cg0def> BockBilbo: they are not really unstable but deffinitely not ready for release
[02:45] <BockBilbo> yes..
[02:45] <|QuaD-> bob2: OOo2 packages aren't available in hoary yet i don't believe
[02:45] <BockBilbo> :s
[02:46] <cg0def> but they work somewhat
[02:46] <tritium> yes they are
[02:46] <BockBilbo> |QuaD-, they are
[02:46] <tritium> I installed openoffice.org2 today
[02:46] <|QuaD-> they are on the repos?
[02:46] <mcphail> Scognito: you might have to do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a to get everything working
[02:46] <BockBilbo> yes
[02:46] <BockBilbo> the 1.9.66 version
[02:46] <MrTrick> hams, in XF86 i see a HorizSync (30-72) and a VertRefresh (47-160)
[02:46] <|QuaD-> interesting (i don't use OOo often at home)
[02:46] <Scognito> mcphail, i use hoary since 1 month
[02:46] <|QuaD-> BockBilbo: isn't that 1.9.66 not 2.x?
[02:46] <Scognito> never had problem
[02:46] <tritium> I don't either, but I wanted to check it out
[02:46] <MrTrick> hams: Not quite sure what to do with them... they're ranges, not single values.
[02:46] <BockBilbo> nope
[02:46] <BockBilbo> it sthe 1.9.66 yes..
[02:47] <BockBilbo> but its how they call the OOo2 beta version
[02:47] <tritium> No MS Access-like program, though, like I thought there would be.
[02:47] <Scognito> btw the real problem is that my programs cannot find the blank cds...
[02:47] <hams> mrtrick: if you have a multisync monitor, it will select the best range of what the monitor will handle.
[02:47] <mcphail> Scognito: I installed 2x warty on the same machine. One burnt CDs out of the box. the other needed the above fiddling
[02:47] <farruinn> tritium: what's wrong with mySQL ;)
[02:47] <BockBilbo> i think the OOo team is working now with the 1.9.74
[02:47] <hams> mrtrick, if you want something more specific just edit the ranges or set to a single value.
[02:47] <bob2> BockBilbo: I don't know
[02:47] <Scognito>         0,0,0     0) 'TRAXDATA' 'CDRW161040plus  ' 'TRS3' Removable CD-ROM
[02:47] <tritium> farruinn, is there a nice front end for my wife to use?
[02:47] <MrTrick> hams: Uh, okay then... So what's hsync? I understand vsync well enough.
[02:47] <Scognito> ok the recorder is recognized
[02:48] <bob2> |QuaD-: I don't know if a decision about them being in hoary has been made or not
[02:48] <Scognito> but the problem is the media
[02:48] <stackpopper> is there a ubuntu development channel?
[02:48] <tritium> farruinn, my wife knows Access.  Is there a gui front end?
[02:48] <BockBilbo> thanks bob2
[02:48] <hams> MrTrick: i guess i;m not sure, but you should look up the values of your monitor so you provide something sane.
[02:48] <mcphail> Scognito: sounds hopeful. When you put in a CD does the nautilus-burn pop up?
[02:48] <farruinn> tritium: I only know of a gtk1 front-end, but it didn't work well for me
[02:48] <Scognito> mcphail, no
[02:48] <|QuaD-> i am updating hoary now... so i am checking
[02:48] <MrTrick> hams: Thanks, I'll try fiddling a little. :-)
[02:49] <bob2> stackpopper: yes, but it is for actual development, not for chatter
[02:49] <Quest-Master> farruinn: I
[02:49] <Quest-Master> Grr
[02:49] <Quest-Master> I'm pasting them as su and it's not installing them for some reason
[02:49] <tritium> farruinn, I'll wait on openoffice.  They're supposed to have something like Access in 2.0
[02:49] <mcphail> Scognito: /etc/fstab ok?
[02:49] <|QuaD-> tritium: yeah... ooBase
[02:49] <Scognito> tried with: cdrecord dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdc speed=16 -v -dummy /linux2/myfile.avi
[02:49] <|QuaD-> thats why i didn't think we are using 2
[02:49] <farruinn> tritium: to tell you the truth I would look forward to something like that too
[02:49] <|QuaD-> because we don't have ooBase
[02:49] <tritium> ooBase?  My wife will like that.
[02:50] <Scognito> last lines are:
[02:50] <Scognito> Track 01: data   684 MB
[02:50] <Scognito> Total size:      785 MB (77:51.60) = 350370 sectors
[02:50] <Scognito> Lout start:      786 MB (77:53/45) = 350370 sectors
[02:50] <Scognito> and it seems freezed
[02:50] <tritium> I don't even use databases, so I don't really need one
[02:50] <Scognito> and now:
[02:50] <Scognito> cdrecord: No disk / Wrong disk!
[02:50] <esher> whats doing better for my weekly backup, tar.gz or bz2 compression ?
[02:50] <|QuaD-> tritium: i don't either... and when i do i use mysql
[02:50] <tritium> Scognito, did you cdrecord --scanbus ?
[02:50] <Scognito> esher, tar
[02:50] <|QuaD-> anyone know how to name a session of screen once its started?
[02:50] <Scognito> yes
[02:51] <mcphail> Scognito: cdrecord is beyond me. I need a front-end. Doubt i'll be able to help
[02:51] <Scognito> cdrecord dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdc -scanbus
[02:51] <Scognito>         0,0,0     0) 'TRAXDATA' 'CDRW161040plus  ' 'TRS3' Removable CD-ROM
[02:51] <Scognito> mcphail, eh eh thanks :)
[02:51] <tritium> I hate cdrecord too
[02:51] <Scognito> me too
[02:51] <Scognito> but it is for last chance to get media working...
[02:52] <Scognito> maybe the recorder is fucked...
[02:52] <Scognito> i'll try with windoze
[02:52] <mcphail> It doesn't help that googling just brings up pages of flame between Linus and the cdrecord authors...
[02:52] <tritium> the little message that cdrecord -scanbus gives is hilarious
[02:53] <farruinn> Quest-Master: hmm, it's not working for me either...
[02:53] <Quest-Master> farruinn: Try this then? http://linux.org.mt/article/ttfonts#N10047
[02:53] <tritium> don't you just drop your TTFs into .fonts dir?
[02:54] <hams> what's available via apt-get that would be like links2?
[02:54] <farruinn> where is .fonts?
[02:54] <farruinn> or where *should* it be, I don't have a directory like that
[02:55] <tritium> in your home directory, if you create it
[02:56] <stackpopper> tritium, personally I just add them into the global X font directories making sure the paths are added to xorg.conf and XF86Config respectively.  I think running fc-cache might be a requirment though I can't remember whether that was only for use with the font daemon.
[02:56] <farruinn> tritium: you're awesome =)
[02:56] <tritium> :)
[02:56] <jdub> stackpopper: no one runs font daemons anymore :)
[02:56] <stackpopper> jdub, thank God.
[02:56] <tritium> thanks, farruinn
[02:56] <farruinn> I'm still bummed though that the fonts:/// thing didn't work, I thought that was "the way"...
[02:57] <jdub> stackpopper: running fc-cache speeds up fontconfig hashing
[02:57] <jdub> farruinn: what didn't work?
[02:57] <farruinn> I tried copying a ttf to fonts:///
[02:57] <Quest-Master> farruinn: We just have to drop the fonts into .fonts?
[02:57] <farruinn> nothing happened
[02:57] <Quest-Master> It didn't work for me
[02:57] <Quest-Master> :\
[02:57] <jdub> farruinn: what's in your ~/.fonts/ ?
[02:57] <farruinn> well I've manually mv'd the files to ~/.fonts
[02:57] <jdub> farruinn: there are update problems with fonts:/// but no actual functional problems
[02:58] <farruinn> oooh, so like the applications:/// thing, have to log out, log in again?
[02:58] <jdub> farruinn: can you find/file a bug about fonts:/// not updating and comment?
[02:58] <BockBilbo> do any of you know any werbsite with a tutorial for creating pgp signatures?
[02:58] <jdub> no
[02:58] <farruinn> jdub: hm, ok, I'll do that
[02:58] <jdub> dragging stuff to fonts:/// works and does the righ thting, but the view doesn't immediately update
[02:58] <mcphail> don't fonts just go into /usr/share/fonts?
[02:58] <jdub> mcphail: only if you're installing them system wide
[02:59] <WW> Do packages in warty-updates get security updates?
[02:59] <jdub> mcphail: otherwise, per-user font dir is ~/.fonts/
[02:59] <mcphail> ok
[02:59] <farruinn> should copying fonts to fonts:/// put them in ~/.fonts?
[02:59] <jdub> WW: there shouldn't be anything in warty-updates
[02:59] <jdub> farruinn: yes
[02:59] <tin> does the -live cd image have an installer?
[02:59] <jdub> WW: but otherwise, yes, they are all supported packages
[02:59] <jdub> tin: no
[02:59] <WW> jdub: evolution2.0.2-0ubuntu3 is in warty-updates
[03:00] <tin> aww
[03:00] <tin> i'm pretty sure i want ubuntu, but i'd like to boot the live just to be sure
[03:00] <guest_> to configure a remote printer via cups where do I start in ubuntu?
[03:00] <tin> oh well, i'll just install and try
[03:00] <jdub> WW: ah, that's right - that's a bugfix
[03:00] <WW> jdub: ...but warty-security has evolution2.0.2-0ubuntu2.1
[03:00] <jdub> WW: mmm, that's a problem
[03:01] <hams> how do i setup kernel sources? needed for nvidia driver install
[03:01] <tritium> hams, nvidia driver is in nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules
[03:01] <stackpopper> guest_, is cupsd running?  If so, with your browser goto http://localhost:631 log in and configure away.
[03:01] <jdub> hams: the nvidia drivers are shipped with ubuntu
[03:01] <hams> tritium, not the latest
[03:02] <tritium> hams, which are the latest?
[03:02] <hams> 6629
[03:02] <jdub> hams: those are in hoary
[03:02] <tritium> 6629?
[03:02] <hams> i'm not running hoary
[03:02] <hams> jdub, if you recall i was in here last night saying hoary install fails on my amd64 machine
[03:04] <guest_> stackpopper: the remote linux print server has the driver which lacks in the local ubuntu based cups driver list.
[03:04] <hams> can i use the apt-get or similar interface to get the kernel source tree for warty?
[03:04] <tritium> hams, yes
[03:04] <jdub> WW: okay, i've reported the problem - thanks for htat
[03:04] <tritium> you should just need the kernel-headers
[03:04] <jdub> hams: apt-cache search linux-source
[03:04] <jdub> hams: and linux-headers
[03:04] <tritium> jdub, did you ever look at my patch for openoffice.org2-debian-files that I pointed out?
[03:04] <jdub> hams: you shouldn't have to rebuild the entire thing
[03:04] <jdub> tritium: nup
[03:05] <WW> jdub: Thanks for reporting it.
[03:05] <AlexN> does anyone think they can help me with a printer?  it's an hp that's supported by the company, so it would *seem* easy... =/
[03:06] <BockBilbo> im back
[03:07] <tritium> jdub, okay.  The package was fixed, but I think the maintainer missed something.
[03:07] <hams> when the file name for apt-get has a 1-x, do i need to get both or what do i specify normally?
[03:07] <BockBilbo> tritium, do you use a pgp signature when sending mails?
[03:07] <tritium> BockBilbo, no, why?
[03:08] <BockBilbo> mmm i want to create one
[03:08] <tritium> oh, sorry
[03:08] <BockBilbo> but dont know how to do it
[03:08] <BockBilbo> do you have any idea?
[03:08] <tritium> In fact, I need to get out of here...
[03:08] <tritium> No, sorry...
[03:08] <mcphail> BockBilbo: GnuPG
[03:08] <tritium> bye for now
[03:08] <BockBilbo> mcphail, GnuPG isnt old?
[03:08] <mcphail> old?
[03:09] <BockBilbo> ... i mean.. ive read what synaptic says about it... and it says: Note that the upstream is not very active
[03:09] <BockBilbo> not old..
[03:09] <mcphail> No. It's good. OpenPGP is pretty settled.
[03:09] <froust> I just did an update, and now X hangs when I try to logon
[03:10] <mcphail> I use Seahorse as PGP GUI
[03:10] <BockBilbo> mm
[03:10] <BockBilbo> mcphail, GnuPGP = gpgp ?
[03:10] <mcphail> yes
[03:10] <quarupted> hrm who wants to look at some verbos error log outpuy and tell me what went wrong in this build
[03:10] <pvh> Can anyone direct me to an iCal publishing hack for evolution?
[03:11] <BockBilbo> ok
[03:11] <BockBilbo> ive installed both gpgp and seahorse
[03:11] <quarupted> ANyone?
[03:11] <BockBilbo> i guess i have to crate the signature by myself right mcphail ?
[03:11] <knoppix> zuurcool: I'm back
[03:11] <oficina> zuurcool: I'm back
[03:11] <mcphail> Yes. I actually imported one I use from PGP in Windows
[03:11] <oficina> zuurcool: I'm back
[03:12] <MrTrick> Could someone hazard a guess as to why "/dev/hda1	/mnt/c		fat32	defaults	0	0" in /etc/fstab doesn't mount the drive?
[03:12] <oficina> MrTrick try vfat instead of fat32
[03:12] <MrTrick> thanks oficina, will try it.
[03:12] <MrTrick> any way to avoid rebooting?
[03:13] <oficina> MrTrick: or also try adding auto instead of defaults
[03:13] <mcphail> sudo mount -a
[03:13] <MrTrick> okay, will try.
[03:13] <oficina> MrTrick: you don't need to reboot at all
[03:13] <oficina> MrTrick: dismount and mount
[03:14] <MrTrick> huh? If I manually dismount and mount, it works fine.
[03:14] <MrTrick> it's just the fstab that is not working
[03:14] <oficina> mount -a mounts everything from fstab
[03:14] <MrTrick> ah thanks
[03:14] <oficina> MrTrick I don't remember the exact commandline for unmounting. "umount" something something
[03:15] <oficina> MrTrick: My web connection is kaput now, sorry if I help no more
[03:15] <mcphail> Just type mount to see if it's mounted already
[03:15] <MrTrick> ah, is good
[03:15] <MrTrick> thank you oficina
[03:15] <MrTrick> grrr....
[03:15] <oficina> zuurcool: !! I'm back, the magically screwed disk guy
[03:16] <MrTrick> the drive is mounted... but each top-level folder appears as a file
[03:16] <oficina> MrTrick: I can fix that!
[03:16] <MrTrick> (not from the terminal, just in the file explorer)
[03:16] <oficina> MrTrick: it has happened to me, gimme a sec
[03:16] <MrTrick> thanks
[03:16] <froust> Can anyone help me out with X problems?
[03:17] <Martok> I probably couldn't.
[03:18] <oficina> MrTrick: I think your problem lies in the "defaults" part. I grabbed the line from fstab in Mandrake that mounts it fine. Here it is
[03:18] <oficina> MrTrick: /dev/hda7 /mnt/docs vfat umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0
[03:18] <MrTrick> ah, thanks
[03:18] <MrTrick> will try that.
[03:19] <BockBilbo> mcphail,
[03:19] <oficina> MrTrick: adjust as required, of course (instead of hda7, put your stuff, and instead of /mnt, well you get the point)
[03:19] <bitfoo> is there anyway to upgrade just to x.org instead of all of hoary :O
[03:19] <BockBilbo> ..
[03:19] <mcphail> BockBilbo:
[03:19] <BockBilbo> i have created the key
[03:19] <BockBilbo> so..
[03:19] <BockBilbo> what do i do if i want to add it to my emails
[03:19] <BockBilbo> as a signature?
[03:19] <mcphail> BockBilbo: hold on a minute
[03:19] <BockBilbo> ok
[03:19] <hams> after i do the apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1, do i just untar it?
[03:20] <jcarr_> what's ubuntu like? I been a long time debian user...
[03:20] <MrTrick> ah good, it's all working
[03:20] <jcarr_> also, what should I download? there's warty and all these others listed
[03:20] <oficina> warty
[03:20] <bitfoo> yah
[03:20] <jcarr_> warty, jigit, and 4.10?
[03:20] <oficina> jcarr_: download warty
[03:20] <bitfoo> hoary is development :|
[03:20] <eyequeue> who did that?
[03:20] <eyequeue> and how?
[03:20] <oficina> warty is 4.10
[03:20] <bitfoo> wtf is jigit
[03:20] <BockBilbo> mcphail,  i think i have it...
[03:20] <BockBilbo> just copy paste
[03:20] <eyequeue> bitfoo: jigdo variant?
[03:21] <BockBilbo> right?
[03:21] <bitfoo> jigaboo?
[03:21] <mcphail> BockBilbo: evolution -> tools -> settings -> edit the security tab on your account
[03:21] <oficina> zuurcool: are you there?
[03:21] <hams> does anyone know what options i need for tar to expand a .tar.bz2?
[03:21] <o0awskr0o> ***how do i get wma support on xmms
[03:21] <BockBilbo> mcphail, i dont use evolution
[03:21] <eyequeue> bitfoo: never heard of that jigdo variant
[03:21] <stackpopper> power4 includes the G5 right?
[03:21] <bitfoo> :(
[03:21] <BockBilbo> i use thunderbird
[03:21] <BockBilbo> but it doesnt mather
[03:21] <bitfoo> tar xvf i think
[03:21] <MrTrick> wait, it's not all good. "mount: fs type codepage=850 not supported by kernel"
[03:22] <stackpopper> o0awskr0o, search google for illegal russia wma xmms plugin
[03:22] <mcphail> BockBilbo: I;ve not used tbird for ages, but i think its similar
[03:22] <BockBilbo> hehe
[03:22] <BockBilbo> see
[03:22] <BockBilbo> its just
[03:22] <bitfoo> lollerskates
[03:22] <BockBilbo> int seahorse
[03:22] <farruinn> hams might need j
[03:22] <BockBilbo> copy
[03:22] <jcarr_> so, what's different in ubuntu from debian>
[03:22] <BockBilbo> and paste it as a text
[03:22] <BockBilbo> xD
[03:22] <MrTrick> (note to self, check that things work before announcing success)
[03:22] <BockBilbo> thats it
[03:22] <jcarr_> easier to use?
[03:22] <oficina> jcarr_: ubuntu is the xandros/lycoris/linspire of the GNOMEs
[03:23] <bitfoo> roflcopter no
[03:23] <BockBilbo> mcphail, but i have a question
[03:23] <farruinn> I prefer ubuntu's snapshots of semi-recent packages to debian's constant upgrading
[03:23] <jcarr_> gnomes?
[03:23] <oficina> jcarr_: ubuntu is all free
[03:23] <mcphail> BockBilbo: yes?
[03:23] <bitfoo> debian packages work with it
[03:23] <bitfoo> no dumbass devel flamewars :|
[03:23] <BockBilbo> how does the pgp signature confirm that its mine?
[03:23] <jcarr_> bitfoo, nice
[03:23] <bitfoo> updated every 6 months
[03:23] <froust> Can anyone help me with X troubles?
[03:23] <BockBilbo> is there any web service for it?
[03:23] <oficina> jcarr_: ubuntu just gives you simple, straight to the point options
[03:23] <bitfoo> its pretty cutting edge too
[03:24] <farruinn> jcarr_: ubuntu seems much more oriented to the desktop user
[03:24] <jcarr_> cool
[03:24] <mcphail> BockBilbo: publish your public key to a keyserver (export in seahorse)
[03:24] <MrTrick> Success!
[03:24] <MrTrick> hmmph...
[03:24] <randabis> man I'm so glad everything's going good now.
[03:24] <farruinn> and the community is generally helpful and supportive
[03:24] <jcarr_> because I'm looking to get my coworker hooked on linux, and I think debian is the best, but Debian Sid is, shall we say, harsh for the newbie
[03:24] <bitfoo> let him try ubuntu livecd
[03:24] <mcphail> BockBilbo: But better to give out your public key personally
[03:25] <jcarr_> yeah, it's what I'm downloading
[03:25] <randabis> ubuntu is great for n00bs and experienced users alike
[03:25] <bitfoo> i'm a n00b ;(
[03:25] <BockBilbo> mcphail, what do you mean by giving out my public key personally?
[03:25] <froust> My X hangs right after I pass the login screen...
[03:25] <oficina> MrTrick: glad you got it
[03:25] <randabis> I'm no linux master, but I surpassed n00b status long ago :p
[03:25] <bitfoo> :|
[03:25] <hams> do i need to move linux-headers into the linux-source directory?
[03:25] <randabis> I learn more and more each day
[03:26] <jcarr_> heh
[03:26] <mcphail> BockBilbo: if you give out your key to everyone who needs it, they van trust it comes from you and hasn't been spoofed
[03:26] <randabis> linux-headers should already be in the source directory
[03:26] <bitfoo> cool, so you can tell me how to update only x.org from hoary and leave everything else warty :|
[03:26] <BockBilbo> i see
[03:26] <hams> randabis, so much for stuff working...
[03:26] <BockBilbo> do you know any good keyserver?
[03:26] <MrTrick> oficina, when I pasted your text in, I accidentally put it under 'format' instead of 'options'
[03:26] <randabis> hams do you mean /usr/src or /usr/src/linux?
[03:26] <jcarr_> Debian has too many distros based on it... of course, probably because Debian is permanently in unstable/experimental
[03:26] <punkrockguy318> how do I install all the basic tools for development on an ubuntu system?  (ie make, gcc etc)
[03:26] <randabis> linux-headers should be in /usr/src/
[03:26] <mcphail> BockBilbo: they all link up together after a few days
[03:26] <jcarr_> heh... Debian Stable ships with good old KDE 2.2
[03:27] <bitfoo> i think knoppix has tons more :|
[03:27] <eyequeue> BockBilbo: look in ~/.gpg/gpg.conf
[03:27] <mcphail> BockBilbo: publish to any one
[03:27] <froust> anyone?
[03:27] <randabis> they do not need to be moved into the kernel source directory
[03:27] <jcarr_> how is ubuntu's hardware detection?
[03:27] <farruinn> froust: sounds more like a gdm problem to me
[03:27] <eyequeue> BockBilbo: most there sync with each other
[03:27] <froust> farruinn: how do i go about troubleshooting this?
[03:27] <hams> randabis, i did apt-get install linux-source-xxxx and then apt-get install linux-headers-xxx, but that seems to have failed horribly
[03:27] <froust> jcarr_: excellent
[03:27] <MrTrick> okay, so now to get samba working...
[03:27] <mcphail> BockBilbo: just takes a few days to update
[03:28] <farruinn> froust: how serious is it? can you get to a virtual terminal?
[03:28] <hams> can i un- apt-get something?
[03:28] <bitfoo> jcarr_, yeah it rocks
[03:28] <MrTrick> Under gnome, is there a keyboard shortcut to change workspace?
[03:28] <farruinn> hams sudo apt-get remove
[03:28] <randabis> bitfoo you can't update to x.org and keep warty packages...you'll cause severe breakage
[03:28] <randabis> hams I doubt it failed
[03:28] <bitfoo> oh :(
[03:28] <froust> farruinn: i'm at a vty now... I just can't get x working... it hangs after the login screen.
[03:28] <bitfoo> breakage is not the nice :/
[03:28] <BockBilbo> ok
[03:28] <oficina> anybody friggin smart here? I gotta challange for you
[03:28] <randabis> you just don't know about it
[03:28] <bitfoo> the answer is 3.14
[03:28] <bitfoo> :|
[03:29] <MrTrick> oficina, No, but I can have fun telling that I don't know the answer.
[03:29] <randabis> when you install linux-source, it does not extract the source...it merely places a tarball into the /usr/src/ directory
[03:29] <hams> randabis, i untarred the source archive after i install the linux headers, so i don't think it worked corectly.
[03:29] <BockBilbo> mcphail, which one do u use?
[03:29] <farruinn> froust: try logging into one of the failsafe sessions
[03:29] <randabis> it should have... you should have a linux source directory and a linux headers directory
[03:29] <BockBilbo> http://pgp.mit.edu/ ?
[03:29] <randabis> is that what you have?
[03:29] <mcphail> BockBilbo: that one is fine
[03:30] <froust> farruinn: same thing happens.
[03:30] <froust> it happened right after i updated
[03:30] <farruinn> this is hoary I take it?
[03:30] <eyequeue> olBockBilbo: not http, hkp, horowitz key protocol, not hypertext transfer protoc
[03:30] <froust> yes
[03:30] <BockBilbo> ok
[03:30] <BockBilbo> and then
[03:30] <eyequeue> BockBilbo: hkp://
[03:31] <BockBilbo> everything will be done right??
[03:31] <mcphail> BockBilbo: seahorse should do this automatically
[03:31] <BockBilbo> hkp??? is that a protocol?
[03:31] <randabis> froust if your X is hanging, it might have to do with your driver
[03:31] <Quest-Master> When trying to get in another computer on my network, I keep on getting thi
[03:31] <Quest-Master> *this
[03:31] <Quest-Master> You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Windows Network: drtyuiii-oxotk9".
[03:31] <farruinn> randabis: would that make sense if he can get to the login screen though?
[03:31] <hams> randbis, i had a .bz2 of the kernel source and a directory called linux-header-2.6.8.1-4 and linux-headers-2.6.8.1-4-amd64-k8\
[03:31] <MrTrick> oficina: out with it.. what's the problem?
[03:31] <randabis> to verify that, you could change your video driver to vesa
[03:31] <eyequeue> BockBilbo: (marc) horowitz key protocol
[03:31] <Quest-Master> How can I login to that computer with the username/password?
[03:31] <randabis> hams that's correct then..that's what the apt-get should have done
[03:31] <froust> randabis: i tried switching drivers, no luck, same problem... login screen is fine, then it hangs after i hit enter.
[03:31] <mcphail> BockBilbo: You can also visit most on web (via http://) and cut and paste
[03:32] <randabis> hmm
[03:32] <froust> right where you'd see the ubuntu splash
[03:32] <hams> ok... i'll take you're word for it.
[03:32] <BockBilbo> mm interesting
[03:32] <eyequeue> BockBilbo: he wrote the major server software
[03:32] <randabis> farruinn I was having a similar problem on my sister's machine (hoary as well)...it was because of her driver so that's why I suggested that
[03:32] <randabis> froust can you try failsafe mode?
[03:33] <bitfoo> how unstable is hoary
[03:33] <froust> failsafe gnome didn't work
[03:33] <randabis> ok
[03:33] <froust> bitfoo: it's quirky :P
[03:33] <mcphail> BockBilbo: the "official" PGP documentation is very good
[03:33] <bitfoo> hmm :/
[03:33] <froust> i'll try the other one
[03:33] <eyequeue> bitfoo: daily
[03:33] <bitfoo> i should stick to stable warty then :D
[03:33] <hams> ok, the nvidia install seems to detect the kernel source, but it doesn't like something, so i actually need to build the kernel?
[03:33] <randabis> bitfoo hoary is nice, but it picks who it is nice to
[03:33] <crypticreign> anyway to remove the 2 second gap inbetween songs in cdrecord??
[03:33] <oficina> MrTrick: I need to fix a screwup. I have 2 partitions of 15GB in a disk of 20GB
[03:33] <bitfoo> quirky means more time messing around with ubuntu than studying for school :|
[03:33] <randabis> in my experience hoary has been excellent with very few problems
[03:34] <BockBilbo> cool
[03:34] <BockBilbo> :D
[03:34] <froust> randabis-laptop: it goes past the login, tells me that it's failsafe, then it hangs
[03:34] <randabis> some things break occassionally, but they aren't major and are usually fixed within the next day
[03:34] <randabis> froust hmm I wish I knew something else for you to try...sorry..it's beyond my expertise
[03:34] <MrTrick> Is there an option to stop the file explorer from opening folders in a new window?
[03:35] <froust> bugger. when i updated today, there were tons of things for gnome
[03:35] <froust> i'm thinking it might've been one of those
[03:35] <mcphail> MrTrick: yes
[03:35] <hams> how do i build the kernel the same options, that the warty-release is installed with?
[03:35] <BockBilbo> ok
[03:35] <BockBilbo> so i guess.. that now that my pgp signature is on the servers
[03:36] <MrTrick> mcphail: Do you feel like telling me where I might find it? Or are you just going to sit there smugly? :-)
[03:36] <BockBilbo> id just have to add it as an attachment in my mails
[03:36] <farruinn> hams: get the config* from /boot and copy it to the root dir of the kernel source
[03:36] <BockBilbo> right?
[03:36] <randabis> I didn't have any problems with today's updates
[03:36] <mcphail> MrTrick: give me a mo...
[03:36] <mcphail> BockBilbo: yes
[03:36] <froust> this is really weird
[03:36] <hams> farruinn: as .config correct?
[03:36] <BockBilbo> and is it recommended to include also the ascii version as a signature?
[03:37] <farruinn> hams yup =)
[03:37] <mcphail> MrTrick: Applications -> System -> config editor ->  apps -> nautilus -> preferences -> always use browser
[03:38] <mcphail> BockBilbo: the ASCII version is fine
[03:38] <hams> man this is hard, i was hoping ubuntu would be easier that gentoo...
[03:38] <MrTrick> thankyou mcphail
[03:38] <BockBilbo> ok
[03:38] <scoon> hams, yikes.
[03:38] <Quest-Master> hams: http://www.ubuntuguide.org? :)
[03:38] <scoon> hams, i found ubuntu way easier than gentoo.
[03:39] <Quest-Master> Ubuntu IS easier than Gentoo.
[03:39] <randabis> hams building kernels isn't a typical ubuntu task
[03:39] <Quest-Master> You just need to know how to get along learning it properly.
[03:39] <Quest-Master> :)
[03:39] <hams> scoon: then i guess i need the child's version
[03:39] <mcphail> BockBilbo: BTW, you know the difference between the key and the signature?
[03:39] <randabis> the default kernels are just fine for the most part
[03:39] <scoon> hams, what is the problem
[03:39] <hams> so wanting to install the lastest nvidia driver is a non-standard practice?
[03:40] <randabis> yes considering that you can get it from the repositories
[03:40] <BockBilbo> mm
[03:40] <randabis> you don't need linux source to build that driver btw
[03:40] <BockBilbo> nope
[03:40] <scoon> hams ?
[03:40] <BockBilbo> :$
[03:40] <hams> apt-get install nvidia-restriced-blah gave me 6111
[03:40] <Quest-Master> I'm a little suspicious of inserting any removable media into Ubuntu anymore
[03:40] <randabis> yes
[03:40] <Quest-Master> :\
[03:40] <randabis> that's because you are using warty
[03:40] <BockBilbo> mcphail, which is the difference?
[03:41] <randabis> if you want newer packages you need to upgrade, or search for a backport
[03:41] <Quest-Master> I inserted a digital camera, was able to take the picture off of it, took it out, and it says there is no memory left when there are no pictures on it
[03:41] <hams> scoon: i needed to install 6629 nvidia driver, but the install script wants the kernel source tree present so i can build some kind of interface or something
[03:41] <Quest-Master> I inserted a USB key-chain 64MB stick
[03:41] <scoon> hams, why do you need the 6629 drivers ?
[03:41] <hams> randabis: and there's another official release of ubuntu?
[03:41] <Quest-Master> And it is no longer readable from
[03:41] <mcphail> BockBilbo: First, everyone needs your public key to read your signature. You've taken care of this by uploading your public key to a server.
[03:41] <bitfoo> u just change all warty instances in sources.list to hoary to upgrade right?
[03:41] <Quest-Master> :\
[03:41] <scoon> hams, are you running a 6800 or some sort ?
[03:41] <hams> scoon: only driver with support for pci-e video card
[03:41] <randabis> hams there's the development release, hoary
[03:41] <Quest-Master> It's really looking bad for me
[03:41] <hams> 6600 gt
[03:42] <scoon> hams
[03:42] <farruinn> bitfoo: yes
[03:42] <scoon> ok i understand
[03:42] <Surphaze> I am having problems installing j2sdk... I am getting sun-j2sdk1.5debian: Depends: sun-j2sdk1.5 but it is not installable
[03:42] <hams> randbis which wouldn't install on my machine
[03:42] <Quest-Master> And I'm betting it was a bug in Ubuntu
[03:42] <Quest-Master> :(
[03:42] <randabis> you don't need linux source to install the nvidia driver from the site though
[03:42] <bitfoo> ;[
[03:42] <mcphail> BockBilbo: Your signature is just a hash of the file you create (like MD5 etc). You then encrypt this with your private key and send it as your signature
[03:42] <randabis> you only need kernel headers
[03:42] <randabis> or linux headers rather
[03:42] <scoon> hams, have you installed the kernel headers for your kernel ?
[03:43] <randabis> you just need to specific the path to the linux headers for the nvidia installer script
[03:43] <hams> randabis, i just do what the installer says... i'm not smart enough to know better
[03:43] <mcphail> BockBilbo: It can only be decrypted by your public key. Therefore, the email can only have come from you and noone else.
[03:43] <hams> scoon: i believe so
[03:43] <scoon> hams, yes or no ?
[03:43] <randabis> he did
[03:43] <scoon> hams, it won't be much use to go on.
[03:43] <scoon> ok
[03:43] <BockBilbo> wow... im confused..
[03:43] <mcphail> BockBilbo: You don't send your public key on each email. Only your signature
[03:44] <randabis> he just needs to specific the path of the headers to the nvidia installer
[03:44] <hams> scoon: yea, i did the apt-get install linux-headers-<blah>
[03:44] <BockBilbo> so
[03:44] <scoon> hams, by default the nvidia installer looks for the source in /usr/src/linux
[03:44] <BockBilbo> which is my signature?
[03:44] <quarupted> will someone please help me get Cedega installed, it keeps crashing in MAKE ????
[03:44] <hams> scoon: yes, i managed to create the softlink...
[03:44] <mcphail> BockBilbo: Your signature is uniquely generated with each email
[03:44] <bitfoo> farruinn, if i go to hoary do i need to downgrade any backports?
[03:44] <scoon> hams, so then what happens next ?
[03:45] <BockBilbo> ohh
[03:45] <BockBilbo> so thats why i have to configure the email sender
[03:45] <BockBilbo> right?
[03:45] <randabis> hams is your softlink to the linux headers or the kernel source?
[03:45] <mcphail> BockBilbo: yes
[03:45] <randabis> it needs to be to the linux headers
[03:45] <hams> scoon: it complained about no config file, so i copied the config file, no i'm building the kernel
[03:45] <hams> randabis: to the source
[03:45] <randabis> that's where you went wrong
[03:45] <BockBilbo> ohh
[03:45] <BockBilbo> ok
[03:45] <farruinn> bitfoo: erm, if it's a backport then it's from hoary
[03:45] <BockBilbo> hold on
[03:45] <randabis> you don't need the kernel source package to install the drivers at all
[03:46] <farruinn> bitfoo: however, it would have been built against warty libraries...
[03:46] <hams> ok, so now i understand... the headers are only the headers...
[03:46] <mcphail> BockBilbo: evolution makes it very easy. Don't know about T'bird
[03:46] <scoon> hams, there is also a flag you can pass the installer to bring up advanced mode.
[03:46] <scoon> hams, in that mode, you will be able to specify paths to your headers and/or source as well.
[03:46] <hams> but i should be ok with the source as well correct?
[03:47] <randabis> hams your symbolic link should be /usr/src/linux --> /usr/src/linux-headers-xxx
[03:47] <farruinn> bitfoo: so I'm not exactly sure
[03:47] <randabis> hams NO
[03:47] <randabis> it will not be okay
[03:47] <hams> no?
[03:47] <hams> doh...
[03:47] <BockBilbo> mm
[03:47] <hams> ok, after the kernel compile finishes, i'll switch the link and try the installer.
[03:47] <randabis> the linux source package is completely different from the currently running kernel
[03:47] <BockBilbo> it has some security stuff
[03:47] <mcphail> BockBilbo: http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/faq.html#q2.12
[03:47] <randabis> hams cancel that kernel compile
[03:47] <randabis> CTRL-C
[03:47] <randabis> you don't need to do that
[03:48] <hams> :) i'm aquainted with ctrl-c
[03:48] <randabis> cool
[03:48] <mcphail> BockBilbo: looks like you nees an extension for t'bird
[03:49] <BockBilbo> mcphail, yes
[03:49] <BockBilbo> :S
[03:49] <BockBilbo> sucks
[03:49] <mcphail> BockBilbo: the enigmail site looks quite encouraging...
[03:49] <BockBilbo> :S
[03:49] <BockBilbo> what should i do?
[03:50] <mcphail> BockBilbo: give me a minute to read it
[03:50] <BockBilbo> ok
[03:50] <BockBilbo> im reading it too
[03:51] <froust> randabis: reboot solved it
[03:51] <mcphail> BockBilbo: http://enigmail.mozdev.org/help.html has the answers
[03:51] <randabis> froust awesome
[03:51] <BockBilbo> its in the apt repositories
[03:52] <mcphail> BockBilbo: evolution is wonderful...
[03:52] <BockBilbo> hehe
[03:52] <BockBilbo> xD
[03:52] <BockBilbo> but evolution doesnt work in both win and linux
[03:53] <mcphail> true
[03:53] <BockBilbo> i share my mail profilein both platforms
[03:53] <jdub> BockBilbo: evo's on it's way :)
[03:53] <mcphail> i did that for a while with thunderbird.
[03:53] <mcphail> ...and firefox
[03:54] <BockBilbo> :D
[03:55] <whiprush> jdub: is there a bug open for the gtk dialogs/cups patches for firefox, I can't seem to find one.
[03:57] <randabis-laptop> evolution is going to be ported to windows if I understand correctly
[03:58] <eyequeue> randabis-laptop: might help some migrate i guess
[03:58] <mcphail> about time. it's a nice piece of software
[03:58] <randabis-laptop> yeah, I don't use it so it's no biggie to me
[03:58] <randabis-laptop> thunderbird serves me well
[03:58] <eyequeue> randabis-laptop: same here
[03:58] <jdub> whiprush: ubuntu bug? probably not
[03:59] <jdub> whiprush: thom is looking into it though, so if you open one, assign to thom may :)
[03:59] <froust> I haven't yet decided on evolution or thunderbird... Can anyone sum up the differrences/
[03:59] <whiprush> should I file one?
[03:59] <eyequeue> randabis-laptop: i do wish ubuntu had a sunbird though
[03:59] <jdub> eyequeue: don't wish, package@
[03:59] <mcphail> froust: if you're just using email, one is as good as the other
[03:59] <randabis-laptop> heh
[04:00] <eyequeue> froust: one is gnome-ish, one is part of that very recent rapid development group
[04:00] <drspin> do you use Evolution for contacts or calender?
[04:00] <randabis-laptop> evolution has all the outlook type stuff, calendar etc
[04:00] <froust> I don't like evolution
[04:00] <mcphail> yes. sync with Palm
[04:00] <froust> i mean outlook
[04:00] <froust> i liked outlook express a bit better
[04:00] <hams> ahh... i made the link to linux-headers and the installer ran, but it said it couldn't load the module, which would mean that the headers don't match the kernel
[04:00] <randabis-laptop> I just do e-mail so thunderbird is good for me
[04:00] <drspin> then use it for email as well...
[04:00] <usual> ubuntu update manager doesn't seem to see updates that apt-get update does
[04:00] <eyequeue> froust: look at mozilla-thunderbird in both platforms then
[04:00] <drspin> why open another program just to check your Email?
[04:01] <eyequeue> drspin: unix philosophy
[04:01] <mcphail> lol
[04:01] <eyequeue> drspin: do one thing and do it well
[04:01] <mcphail> in 14 different ways
[04:02] <eyequeue> drspin: not to be confused with [x] emacs ;-)
[04:02] <jdub> usual: are you using dist-upgrade or upgrade?
[04:03] <mcphail> i often get confused by emacs...
[04:03] <usual> jdub, I always do dist-upgrade, but from what I can tell ubuntu update manager is just synaptic simplified ...so I would assume it would see updates
[04:04] <usual> jdub, does it just do upgrade
[04:04] <jdub> usual: yes, because that's safe
[04:04] <usual> jdub, I see
[04:04] <usual> jdub, makes sense
[04:05] <hams> do i make the linux softlink point to linux-headers-2.6.8.1-4 or linux-hedaers-2.6.8.1-amd64-k8?
[04:05] <knghtbrd> ahhh, I had forgotten what a joy application keys are...
[04:05] <Adrenal> eheh
[04:05] <drspin> eyequeue: and a good philosophy it is :) but, taking iTunes for example, what's wrong with being able to do everything with my music (organize, burn, save, share, find, listen, etc...) all in once place?
[04:06] <usual> jdub, do you or have you used beagle?
[04:06] <eyequeue> drspin: never seen it, sorry (no apple stuff in years)
[04:06] <knghtbrd> and the joy that is having your terminal program claim to be a given terminal, but send the wrong keystrokes for that terminfo  ;)
[04:06] <Adrenal> drspin: nothing, thing is hybrid apps usually suck
[04:06] <froust> Hrm.
[04:06] <froust> Why can't i change my resolution?
[04:06] <Adrenal> i don't know?
[04:06] <eyequeue> drspin: i would say "the bash shell" is where i can do everything, but i do know what you mean :)
[04:06] <Adrenal> why can't you/
[04:07] <eyequeue> drspin: yours is just a different philosophy than the one i mentioned.  linux allows both :)
[04:07] <froust> "The X Server does not support the XRandR extension. Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available."
[04:07] <drspin> eyequeue: ah, yes, the beauty of linux :)
[04:07] <Adrenal> indeed it does eyequeue
[04:07] <Adrenal> indeed it does
[04:07] <Adrenal> eheh, converted like 2 ppl over to linux at my last lan
[04:08] <eyequeue> vim vs emacs, or (less-so) the one in the /topic, heh
[04:08] <Adrenal> ...if only it had better games support
[04:08] <bitfoo> i like the nano :|
[04:08] <eyequeue> fancy hardware vs, a 486 :)
[04:08] <Adrenal> terminal is better
[04:09] <mcphail> faster
[04:09] <farruinn> knghtbrd: really? I use the terminal almost all the time
[04:09] <farruinn> there's hardly a moment when I don't have one open
[04:09] <bitfoo> if i wanted a terminalo i would build a time machine and go back to 1984 :|
[04:09] <rob__> hello everyone
[04:09] <knghtbrd> farruinn: I'm talking about "normal" people
[04:09] <Adrenal> the command line, we can rebuild it, we have the technology
[04:09] <knghtbrd> ie, the WIMP crowd
[04:09] <Adrenal> we can make it better then it was before
[04:09] <Adrenal> better, stronger, faster
[04:09] <mcphail> My TAB key is my friend.
[04:10] <Adrenal> really?
[04:10] <Adrenal> i prefer humans
[04:10] <knghtbrd> drspin: the time is a factor even if you are a developer
[04:10] <rob__> Adrenal: i dont think we want to spend 6 million dollers on the command line
[04:10] <Adrenal> we can try
[04:10] <knghtbrd> I remember some effort to make a Gnome shell
[04:10] <bitfoo> we should spend 6 millino dollars on contact lens computers that are thought activated :|
[04:11] <quarupted> hey i downloaded a .deb file how do i make it install
[04:11] <rob__> if you can develop that for 6 million you will be a bajilionare
[04:11] <bitfoo> dpkg -i file.deb
[04:11] <Adrenal> so...u walk around walking into things...but u can be looking at porn every waking momnet of your life?
[04:11] <quarupted> dpkh /dir/file.deb or what?
[04:11] <knghtbrd> an enhanced bash that worked together with the terminal app and could do things straight GNU bash couldn't, knew about VFS, etc
[04:11] <knghtbrd> whatever happened to that project?
[04:11] <bitfoo> are you daring me!?!?
[04:11] <farruinn> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[04:11] <Adrenal> what we should do is make jabber better
[04:11] <farruinn> quarupted: but usually it's best to use apt if possible
[04:11] <Adrenal> display pictures and file sending
[04:11] <bitfoo> whats jabber :|
[04:11] <rob__> Imagine the contact lense replacing the Images of clothed persons with naked ones that you are looking at.
[04:11] <Adrenal> is it really that hard to implement?
[04:12] <bitfoo> augmented reality would be hard rob__  :/
[04:12] <Adrenal> bitfoo: u know how trillian and gaim are multi protocol clients?
[04:12] <bitfoo> yes
[04:12] <Adrenal> well, jabber is a multi-protocol, protocol
[04:12] <drspin> ew... messy
[04:12] <Adrenal> one account that incroporates your msn, yahoo, icq, aim, irc...etc accounts into one
[04:12] <bitfoo> ahhsoo
[04:12] <Adrenal> also, there are bots for it
[04:12] <knghtbrd> the problem with jabber is that it is a jack-of-all-trades protocol without a serious following (or good clients)
[04:13] <Adrenal> my favourite, the rss boot
[04:13] <Adrenal> gaim is a good client
[04:13] <bitfoo> i have an rss bot for irc :/
[04:13] <knghtbrd> a couple of years ago, its servers weren't so hot either  ;)
[04:13] <drspin> I use Gaim :) but for each protocol seperately
[04:13] <Adrenal> i just use live bookmarks in firefox
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> how do i reset the kde desktop?
[04:13] <bitfoo> i like em in my email mostly :|
[04:13] <Adrenal> drspin: same, jabber is on the right track, but still has a little while to go
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> i can't open any of the icons
[04:13] <Adrenal> bitfoo: thunderbird?
[04:13] <rob__> i had no idea how that worked, is it automatically set up with accounts in the other protocols?
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> or programs rather
[04:13] <bitfoo> yeh
[04:13] <knghtbrd> and really, you cannot effectively make an all-client
[04:14] <calc> anyone know why i get this on ubuntu when i run hdparm -Tt ?
[04:14] <Gwildor> nomasteryoda: try to restart X
[04:14] <calc> "HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(null) (wait for flush complete) failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device"
[04:14] <nomasteryoda> Gwildor, did that
[04:14] <eyequeue> Adrenal: in gaim, i couldn't add myself (in jabber) to a contact list
[04:14] <knghtbrd> jabber described itself as being able to interface everything from SMTP to IRC into an IM client
[04:14] <nomasteryoda> seems to be some kind of lock on the files
[04:14] <drspin> eyequeue: are you running the latest version?
[04:14] <Gwildor> nomasteryoda: idk then
[04:14] <jdub> usual: yep
[04:14] <drspin> calc: that can't be good
[04:14] <Adrenal> rob__: you have to install gabber, then u can register accounts in that?
[04:14] <knghtbrd> I don't know about anyone else, but my emails are usually longer than irc messages.
[04:14] <eyequeue> drspin: warty version
[04:14] <Adrenal> eyequeue:, y, pray tell, do you wish to talk to yourself?
[04:14] <calc> drspin: sounds like fubar kernel or something similar
[04:14] <nomasteryoda> Gwildor, thks
[04:14] <rob__> Adrenal:thanks
[04:14] <drspin> eyequeue: if you install the backport for Hoary I think it's fixed...
[04:15] <bitfoo> :|
[04:15] <usual> jdub, will it be added to ubuntu? I would really like to try it but I seem to have issues getting it to compile...dependencies
[04:15] <rob__> Anyone want a Gmail Invite?
[04:15] <Adrenal> lol, used to be cool
[04:15] <drspin> I've got a bunch of gmail invites as well
[04:15] <Adrenal> people would jump all over an invite
[04:15] <Adrenal> but now
[04:15] <drspin> so does everyone else I imagine
[04:15] <Adrenal> the magics gone
[04:15] <eyequeue> drspin: i was reading the jabber user guide, and i have to "allow" myself, i think
[04:15] <bitfoo> does anyone here who uses hoary also use ati's new drivers for x.org?
[04:15] <drspin> eyequeue: interesting...
[04:15] <knghtbrd> although, an email protocol which behaved more like IM protocols (ie, with authentication mechanisms in the protocol itself), could be promising
[04:15] <eyequeue> drspin: do you know what version that is?
[04:15] <drspin> eyequeue: oh it's a protocol thing... LOL
[04:15] <Madeye> Hi, guys running KDE app on gnome desktop (KDE is not installed) will cause any troubles?
[04:16] <rob__> I just got my account this week. I invited about a dozen people already
[04:16] <drspin> eyequeue: 1.1.0
[04:16] <Adrenal> gonna make my own jabber server eventually
[04:16] <drspin> do you have the backports repo?
[04:16] <eyequeue> drspin: yeah, gaim 1.0.0 doesn't have "allow foo to add you"
[04:16] <defile> Madeye, no
[04:16] <farruinn> Madeye: no, but it won't look the greatest
[04:16] <bitfoo> Do you want a gmail account? I've got 200 invites. It's super exclusive!
[04:16] <bitfoo> :|
[04:16] <calc> heh
[04:16] <eyequeue> drspin: sounds like you're about to tell me what i was about to ask you :)
[04:16] <drspin> LOL
[04:16] <farruinn> Madeye: there are some themes though that have both gnome and kde versions
[04:16] <calc> it was exclusive about a year ago ;)
[04:16] <usual> sup calc
[04:16] <Adrenal> anyone got any good live bookmarks(rss feeds)?
[04:16] <drspin> eyequeue: hang on lemme get it
[04:16] <rob__> well i always liked inclusive things better anyway
[04:16] <calc> usual: hi
[04:17] <Adrenal> and is it possible to get google news through rss?
[04:17] <rob__> yes
[04:17] <Adrenal> cos, they gave it to gmail
[04:17] <bitfoo> hackaday is pretty cool rss :|
[04:17] <rob__> there is a special website that makes them
[04:17] <Adrenal> rob__:how?
[04:17] <Adrenal> oh, that
[04:17] <bitfoo> cool lilttel projects
[04:17] <Adrenal> bah, been heaps
[04:17] <Madeye> Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy -> any idea?
[04:17] <Adrenal> they all get shut down
[04:17] <eyequeue> how do i tell things to stay with warty *except* when i specifically ask for a backport?
[04:17] <farruinn> eyequeue: pinning
[04:18] <calc> backports are evil
[04:18] <Adrenal> bah
[04:18] <farruinn> eyequeue: check apt howto: http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[04:18] <drspin> deb [tab]  http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/ [tab]  warty-backports [tab]  main universe
[04:18] <eyequeue> farruinn: i don't want to go in and manually pin everything, i just want to make a default be warty
[04:18] <Adrenal> calc:what you talking about foo?
[04:18] <hams> do i need to install the NVIDIA 32bit compatiblitiy OpenGL libs?
[04:18] <hams> it seems to cause the installer to fail...
[04:18] <farruinn> eyequeue: that's possible, you can use wildcards in the pinning
[04:18] <drspin> calc: I've been using FF1.0 and Gaim 1.1.0 since the day I installed ubuntu with no trouble
[04:18] <drspin> s
[04:18] <bitfoo> once you update to hoary should you reboot?
[04:18] <bitfoo> or just restart x
[04:19] <rob__> anyone here use beagle?
[04:19] <bitfoo> or i guess you cant restart it since you use x.org now...hmm o_O
[04:19] <eyequeue> bitfoo: x is probably the official answer, but i'd test all the boot-time scripts myself
[04:19] <bitfoo> hmm :}
[04:19] <mcphail> most things are easy enough to install without backports
[04:20] <Adrenal> mcpail: backports are easier, install the proper locations, and are easier to upgrade/uninstall
[04:20] <edgarin> Hello
[04:20] <Adrenal> ahoy
[04:20] <bitfoo> hi
[04:20] <BockBilbo> mcphail,
[04:20] <mcphail> BockBilbo:
[04:20] <BockBilbo> u still there?
[04:20] <BockBilbo> ok
[04:20] <BockBilbo> see.. ive configured it..
[04:21] <mcphail> ok
[04:21] <BockBilbo> and i havesome last questions..
[04:21] <mcphail> uhhu
[04:21] <Adrenal> then say it, press enter less
[04:21] <BockBilbo> it lets me send encripted messages
[04:21] <BockBilbo> is it recommended to send them?
[04:21] <mcphail> mmm
[04:21] <BockBilbo> like that?
[04:21] <mcphail> You need a public key from whoever you're going to send them to. Encrypt the message with that
[04:22] <edgarin> Howto print ubuntu to ubuntu in my home exist one network and...the priter are conected in the computer with Ubuntu and in another computer has installed Ubuntu and no print Ubuntu-Ubuntu
[04:22] <edgarin> ?
[04:22] <mcphail> If you encrypt with your public key, only you will be able to read it (not the recipient)
[04:22] <BockBilbo> mm i think it sends it
[04:22] <BockBilbo> may i send you a message
[04:23] <edgarin> the printer are configure in samba
[04:23] <BockBilbo> to check it?
[04:23] <defile> when I did the install, I specified the X framebuffer for my video driver for X, but I ended up using the vesa driver instead.  Now whenever I boot I load the framebuffer modules, how can I disable them?
[04:23] <mcphail> BockBilbo: /msg me with your email and i'll send you one.
[04:24] <rob__> does hoary still have the menu bar seperated into 2 segments?
[04:24] <drspin> is there a good tutorial for setting up samba shares?
[04:24] <rob__> *3 segments rather
[04:24] <farruinn> defile: either edit XF86Config-4 manually or sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:25] <drspin> or Samba in general?
[04:26] <defile> farruinn, I have X working fine, I'm just trying to disable the framebuffer modules from loading on boot now, I no longer need them
[04:26] <defile> farruinn, vesafb etc
[04:26] <farruinn> I believe that's set in the XF86Config-4 file, isn't it?
[04:27] <randabis-laptop> yes it is
[04:27] <farruinn> section modules ...?
[04:27] <defile> I'm not longer using the framebuffer for X
[04:27] <randabis-laptop> yeah but there should also be an option for it under devices
[04:27] <eyequeue> does warty-backports update daily like hoary, or less-often?
[04:27] <Guardiann> wow the new update manager looks pretty cool
[04:28] <randabis-laptop> eyequeue much less often
[04:28] <jdub> usual: it will probably land in universe for hoary, perhaps main for bendy
[04:28] <defile> and it's no longer defined, I redid the config file manually via xf86config
[04:28] <drspin> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[04:28] <drspin> :)
[04:28] <jdub> usual: all the dependencies are already available
[04:28] <randabis-laptop> also warty backports should all be completely uninstalled if you ever decide to upgrade to hoary
[04:28] <usual> jdub, gtk-sharp seems to be out of date to build iirc
[04:29] <eyequeue> randabis-laptop: is there an easy way to determine which to downgrade?  and do i need to wget and dpkg -i manually?
[04:29] <randabis-laptop> you just have to downgrade the packages you've upgraded...
[04:29] <usual> jdub, not gtk--sharp...gecko-sharp
[04:30] <jdub> it needs an upgrade, or...?
[04:30] <usual> ooo
[04:30] <usual> doesn't exist
[04:30] <usual> gotta build it?
[04:31] <randabis-laptop> whoever's in charge of the ubuntu wiki should change grumpygroundhog to bendy
[04:31] <|QuaD-> bendy?
[04:31] <|QuaD-> why?
[04:31] <randabis-laptop> because the name has changed
[04:31] <eyequeue> ho hogs?
[04:32] <|QuaD-> randabis-laptop: as of when???
[04:32] <eyequeue> s/^ho/no/
[04:32] <|QuaD-> how do you knwo?
[04:32] <EvolutionR> Hi! I've have the hotplug problem "shpchp & pciehp" displayed on startup. How do I disable it? throug sudo gedit /etc/hotplug/blacklist look for the line that say shpchp & pciehp & remove add them as # in front of it? Is this the correct thing?
[04:32] <randabis-laptop> I know because that's what daniels and other developers have said
[04:32] <jdub> usual: gecko-sharp is in universe man
[04:32] <eyequeue> randabis-laptop: it's a wiki, i think we're all "in charge" heh
[04:32] <|QuaD-> randabis-laptop: when?
[04:32] <randabis-laptop> Evolution add those modules to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[04:32] <usual> jdub, weird I don't see it with apt-cache
[04:32] <jdub> usual: libgecko-cil, like everything else
[04:33] <usual> ahh
[04:33] <randabis-laptop> QuaD first time I heard it mentioned was about a week ago
[04:33] <usual> I thought it was actually called gecko-sharp
[04:33] <jdub> that's the upstream tarball name
[04:33] <|QuaD-> isn't jdub a developer?
[04:33] <randabis-laptop> yes
[04:33] <|QuaD-> ask him
[04:33] <mpool> jdub: do you know how to get emacs keybindings in hoary gnome?
[04:33] <hams> successfully install the nvidia driver! i had downloaded the -4 version of the headers, but i needed the -3 version.
[04:34] <randabis-laptop> bravo
[04:34] <mpool> i tried ~/.gtkrc-2.0 and gconf but neither seems to do it
[04:34] <jdub> mpool: ah, removed from ui, still in gconf; under /desktop/gnome i believe
[04:34] <jdub> oh
[04:34] <mpool>  /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_key_theme = "Emacs"
[04:34] <mpool> doesn't seem to work
[04:35] <hams> hmm...mouse not working in X. what config do i need to a microsoft usb mouse?
[04:35] <jdub> mpool: hmm
[04:35] <usual> jdub, how about dbus-sharp
[04:35] <hams> and is there a keystroke that can open a terminal?
[04:35] <jdub> usual: apt-cache search dbus cil
[04:35] <defile> farruinn, actually the dpkg thing might just do what I need, thanks
[04:36] <jdub> usual: ping daniels
[04:36] <MrTrick> smb question: If I want to restrict drive access to those on the same subnet, then I'd use hosts-allow = 192.168.2.* ?
[04:36] <usual> colin@lexapro:~/beagle-0.0.4$ apt-cache search dbus cil
[04:36] <usual> colin@lexapro:~/beagle-0.0.4$
[04:36] <djtansey> does anyone here have experience with wireless bridging. i am trying to find a router-based solution to allowing my users to seemlessly move from access point to access point (really two routers.) anyone want to give me some tips?
[04:36] <randabis-laptop> MrTrick probably would be 192.168.2.0
[04:38] <MrTrick> randabis: Ok, I don't need to specify subnet mask?
[04:38] <randabis-laptop> probably
[04:38] <randabis-laptop> 255.255.255.0
[04:38] <MrTrick> hosts allow = 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0
[04:39] <eyequeue> i guess i should probably restart xchat with the new backported version
[04:39] <randabis-laptop> that should do it...can't say for certain since I don't use samba
[04:39] <randabis-laptop> but it works like that for nfs
[04:39] <eyequeue> brb
[04:39] <usual> jdub, yeah I think it will build if I can get dbus-sharp
[04:40] <jdub> usual: ping daniels
[04:40] <EvolutionR> I got this same problem too, I'm not set the internet as "always on", so the error came out "Synchronising clock to ntp.ubuntulinux.org"! I don't want it to synchronise the clock! How do I disable it?
[04:41] <MrTrick> thanks randabis, hopefully it'll work. Not having any machines *not* on the subnet, it may be difficult to test.
[04:43] <randabis-laptop> np
[04:43] <EvolutionR> I know this answer :)
[04:43] <EvolutionR> bye
[04:43] <calamari> hi
[04:43] <randabis-laptop> hi
[04:43] <mpool> yum, calamari
[04:43] <calamari> hi mpool
[04:44] <calamari> seen kamion
[04:44] <calamari> probably no bots here.. hehe :)
[04:44] <jdub> calamari: kamion is on .uk time
[04:44] <calamari> oic
[04:48] <Br34ch> I've a problem, a very strange one. I'm on a laptop.. as soon as I unhook the power cord.. it just immediately is turned off - not turning to the battery. Before it, I had XP and it worked fine.. any hints please?
[04:49] <stackpopper> Br34ch, weird.  What kind of laptop is it?
[04:49] <stackpopper> How long ago did  you last try this with windows successfully?
[04:50] <stackpopper> You would imagine any sane laptop would keep this completely seperate from any OS.
[04:50] <Br34ch> I installed Ubuntu about 3 days ago, first time trying Linux
[04:50] <Br34ch> Toshiba p2, incredibly old
[04:52] <|QuaD-> Br34ch: interesting... you ran xp on a p2?
[04:53] <Br34ch> Yep
[04:53] <bitfoo> it could be something with acpi :|
[04:53] <cao7ic> hello every one
[04:53] <bitfoo> maybe your dsdt tables are messed up. i know mine doesn't show battery status because asus is the lame :|
[04:53] <|QuaD-> Br34ch: what speed?
[04:54] <Br34ch> Hehe, a very insulting one > -Br34ch- VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.8.1-4-386 [i686/267.13MHz] 
[04:54] <|QuaD-> Br34ch: thats interesting, how much ram?
[04:55] <bzbb> I used to run xp on a k6-2 450 with 56 megs of ram
[04:55] <randabis-laptop> os[Linux 2.6.10-2-686 - Debian 3.1]  up[18 hours, 36 minutes]  cpu[Pentium III (Coppermine), 448.164 MHz (886.78 bogomips)]  mem[216.56/219.11 MB (98.8%)]  video[ at 1024x768 (16 bits)] 
[04:55] <bzbb> and a 6 gig harddrive
[04:55] <randabis-laptop> :)
[04:55] <randabis-laptop> that memory usage is completely off though
[04:55] <|QuaD-> bzbb: that must have run horribly
[04:55] <Br34ch> I'm not 100% sure - could you tell me some comm's on that to check it up?
[04:55] <|QuaD-> bzbb: it ran horribly on my 400 Mhz 64mb ram
[04:56] <|QuaD-> Br34ch: free -m
[04:56] <Br34ch> I got the laptop from my brother, he bought it in . . . 99 I'm thinking
[04:56] <eyequeue> randabis-laptop:  what command gives that format?
[04:56] <bzbb> |QuaD-, I'd click a menu, wait for the swap storms to end, then start typing, wait a minute
[04:56] <randabis-laptop> it's a script
[04:56] <bzbb> click save, another 5 minutes
[04:56] <eyequeue> ah
[04:56] <randabis-laptop> sysinfo-dg
[04:56] <bzbb> the machine loved it when I put debian potato on it
[04:56] <|QuaD-> bzbb: yeah... thats how it was on my p400... which is why i jumped it to 2000
[04:56] <randabis-laptop> you can get it at scripts.xchat.org
[04:56] <hams> are any services enabled by default? ftpd? telnetd? sshd?
[04:57] <|QuaD-> bzbb: i still have the machine at my parents home... when i get a chance i am going to take it and put debian or mepis on it
[04:57] <|QuaD-> with a huge hdd and make it a file server for me
[04:57] <|QuaD-> hams: none of those
[04:57] <bzbb> this was a laptop
[04:57] <eyequeue> hams:  you can install any if you please, but i believe your answer is no
[04:57] <bzbb> I used windowmaker for my WM
[04:57] <|QuaD-> hams: an easy way to check it is to port scan your comp on a different machine
[04:57] <eyequeue> hams: inetd might be (?)
[04:57] <|QuaD-> bzbb: lol
[04:58] <|QuaD-> bzbb: i will probably load debian, no gui
[04:58] <|QuaD-> and once its installed, never put a monitor on it
[04:58] <hams> do i install with apt-get and that's it or do i have to modify something after apt-get'ing it?
[04:58] <bzbb> spent a lot of time in the command line
[04:58] <bzbb> X-macs
[04:58] <|QuaD-> hams: you should just install it and it will do the rest
[04:58] <bzbb> xemacs
[04:58] <bzbb> damn fingers
[04:58] <|QuaD-> bzbb: i use vim :)
[04:58] <bzbb> shit, this means I have to hate you
[04:59] <|QuaD-> haha why
[04:59] <bzbb> its in the rules
[04:59] <eyequeue> |QuaD-:  tradition ;)
[04:59] <|QuaD-> lol
[04:59] <|QuaD-> vim is kind of addicting
[04:59] <|QuaD-> the challenge of it is fun
[04:59] <eyequeue> i like vim myself
[04:59] <eyequeue> but i know rudimentary emacs too
[04:59] <randabis-laptop> <3 nano lol
[05:00] <|QuaD-> i used to knwo emacs
[05:00] <bzbb> M-x stab-eyequeue
[05:00] <|QuaD-> forgotten it by now though
[05:00] <eyequeue> heh
[05:00] <eyequeue> i had an emacs animal book, wish it hadn't gotten lost in a move
[05:01] <eyequeue> it had ... a gnu, go figure
[05:02] <scoon> does anyone know if there is a fan/temp monitoring applet for gnome panel ?
[05:02] <bitfoo> BOOOOOO *HISS*
[05:02] <Br34ch> So terribly sorry to ask of this, but is there some sort of a . . . uhh, happy happy "Processes List" I can view?
[05:02] <farruinn> |QuaD-: the funny thing is, once you get use to vim it doesn't seem complicated at all
[05:02] <bitfoo> top
[05:02] <scoon> i think i saw one before.
[05:02] <eyequeue> Br34ch:  type "top" :)
[05:02] <|QuaD-> farruinn: yeah, i know :)
[05:02] <hams> what file do you modify to autoload a module?
[05:02] <farruinn> |QuaD-: it's the beauty of the thing =)
[05:02] <eyequeue> hams:  /etc/modules
[05:02] <|QuaD-> farruinn: but when learning it it is difficult
[05:02] <farruinn> very true
[05:02] <jdub> Br34ch: applications > system tools > system monitor
[05:03] <eyequeue> |QuaD-:  /usr/bin/vimtutor :)
[05:03] <|QuaD-> eyequeue: is there one???
[05:03] <Br34ch> Thanks :D
[05:03] <farruinn> |QuaD-: wow, yeah, I would have been lost without it (well, maybe not, but it sure helped)
[05:04] <michael> can someone help me find the firefox flash player...im not new to linux, just ubuntu...i have powerpc if it matters
[05:04] <|QuaD-> WOW... see i do the whole google thing  :)
[05:04] <|QuaD-> michael: you should be able to do it the same way you did on your other linux installs
[05:04] <eyequeue> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root         1600 2005-01-18 16:20 /usr/bin/vimtutor
[05:04] <|QuaD-> eyequeue: i just found it :)
[05:04] <farruinn> |QuaD-: are you sure of that?  afaik there is _no_ flash for ppc
[05:04] <elec> what's the meaning "token" in http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/ ???
[05:05] <eyequeue> |QuaD-:  the first 15-20 minutes in it will get anyone off the ground
[05:05] <bitfoo> only if you already got your cd elec
[05:05] <|QuaD-> farruinn: well, its still the same, if he installed it once on a ppc, he can again
[05:05] <|QuaD-> i don't use flash and i have an x86 :)
[05:05] <bitfoo> how do you watch jibjab!?!
[05:05] <bitfoo> :|
[05:06] <farruinn> michael: is this true, you've installed flash support on ppc? as in good, working flash support?
[05:06] <|QuaD-> farruinn: that isn't ubuntu specific
[05:06] <|QuaD-> farruinn: he said he isn't new to linux, just ubuntu so i figured he knows how
[05:06] <eyequeue> i'm not new to linux, just to a gui ;)
[05:07] <farruinn> I would be very interested to know how to install flash on ppc
[05:07] <michael> farruinn, no im in process of trying to
[05:07] <|QuaD-> i'm not new to linux, just to computers
[05:07] <farruinn> michael: ok, because to my knowledge it's impossible
[05:07] <|QuaD-> why is the keyboard laid out funny?
[05:07] <farruinn> there are some attempts to reverse engineer it or something, but those really only work for very old versions of flash
[05:07] <michael> farruinn, right. guess that's why i'm having trouble
[05:07] <farruinn> and macromedia provides no binary or source as I'm sure you know
[05:07] <eyequeue> |QuaD-:  seriously, i'm not very gui-fluent, i usually give cli answers to questions, when there's gui equivalents (like top before)
[05:08] <|QuaD-> eyequeue: i try to use the cli for everything i can, the 3 things i don't really use it for is firefox, gaim, and my rss reader
[05:08] <farruinn> michael: once upon a time there was a petition to macromedia for a ppc version, but I don't htink anything came of it
[05:08] <melazyboy2> I got ubuntu to detect my ipod on boot, i unplug it, drive is automagically unmounted, i plug it back in nothing happens, how can i restart what ever detected and automounted it
[05:08] <eyequeue> |QuaD-:  i've got the first two, what do you use for rss?
[05:09] <|QuaD-> liferea
[05:09] <|QuaD-> GREAT program
[05:09] <hams> i think ubuntu install trashed my windows RAID array!!!!!
[05:09] <|QuaD-> best i have found
[05:09] <bitfoo> better than thunderbird?
[05:09] <melazyboy2> I use CenterICQ it works wonders if you use CLI
[05:09] <|QuaD-> bitfoo: i didn't like thunderbird's rss reader
[05:09] <jdub> eyequeue: blam! :)
[05:09] <eyequeue> i'm using xchat now, rather than irssi
[05:09] <bitfoo> i like xchat :|
[05:09] <|QuaD-> i am using irssi
[05:09] <bitfoo> bitchx is the nice too
[05:09] <farruinn> blam crashed on me - in warty no less!
[05:09] <|QuaD-> screen :)
[05:09] <eyequeue> screen rox :)
[05:09] <|QuaD-> so i can go and come
[05:09] <hams> would ubuntu try to install grub on another device other than the one it installed the root filesystem on?
[05:09] <melazyboy2> CenterICQ one stop solution for AIM/ICQ/IRC/Y!/LJ/RSS etc =D
[05:10] <jdub> farruinn: that's not entirely surprising
[05:10] <eyequeue> yeah, i never run irssi except under screen
[05:10] <bitfoo> dunno hams :|
[05:10] <bitfoo> i never had a raid before
[05:10] <farruinn> jdub: true, but it is depressing, I was really liking it
[05:10] <eyequeue> but i'm trying to learn gui things recently
[05:10] <bitfoo> are you old :|
[05:10] <Orbo> synaptic won't pick up the latest version of software like xchat, and Force Version is greyed out
[05:11] <Orbo> any help?
[05:11] <eyequeue> relative, heh
[05:11] <bitfoo> you could add backports depository for xchat
[05:11] <bitfoo> i think it has the latest version of that, gaim, firefox, etc :|
[05:11] <eyequeue> yeah, i just added backports, and got xchat 241 i think
[05:12] <Orbo> sorry, big n00b here bitfoo, what are backports?
[05:12] <eyequeue> -eyequeue- VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.10-1-686 [i686/598.60MHz] 
[05:12] <hams> what do i put in grub to boot windows assuming it hasn't been annilated?
[05:12] <bitfoo> oh backports is the project to take all the new packages from the development version of ubuntu (hoary) and make them work correctly with the stable version of ubuntu (warty)
[05:12] <eyequeue> Orbo:  warty is the stable release, hoary is the unstable development version
[05:12] <Orbo> I know that eyesqueue, where do I get backports?
[05:13] <eyequeue> Orbo:  occasionally, someone sees reason to "backport" a hoary version of an app so it can run on warty
[05:13] <bitfoo> you would go into a terminal and type "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:13] <bitfoo> and then add
[05:13] <sam_> hi
[05:13] <eyequeue> Orbo:  let me see if i can find the line
[05:14] <bitfoo> deb http://cloud9.somniumcomputing.com:81/ubuntu/backports warty-backports main universe restricted mult$deb http://cloud9.somniumcomputing.com:81/ubuntu/backports warty-extras main universe restricted multive$
[05:14] <eyequeue> Orbo:  nm, bitfoo has it :)  i just did this tonight btw
[05:14] <sam_> i'm kinda new at this, and i was wondering if anyone could tell me how to install an rpm file?
[05:14] <bitfoo> err hmm
[05:14] <chrismurf> sam_:for what program
[05:14] <farruinn> hams: I believe you only have to uncomment some lines in the config file, but I"m not sure what
[05:14] <sam_> an intel driver program
[05:14] <bitfoo> deb http://cloud9.somniumcomputing.com:81/ubuntu/backports warty-backports main universe restricted multiverse
[05:14] <bitfoo> deb http://cloud9.somniumcomputing.com:81/ubuntu/backports warty-extras main universe restricted multiverse
[05:14] <bitfoo> add those orbo
[05:14] <eyequeue> sam_:  "alien" it into a deb, then dpkg -i foo.deb
[05:14] <chrismurf> RPM is the format used for Redhat
[05:14] <|QuaD-> sam_: they don't have a deb file?
[05:14] <chrismurf> What they said.
[05:14] <|QuaD-> RPM=redhat package manager
[05:14] <bitfoo> then go to synaptics again, hit reload and you should see new versions :O
[05:14] <sam_> oh.
[05:15] <sam_> well
[05:15] <chrismurf> if they have a .deb file - you'd be better off
[05:15] <chrismurf> but you can make a .rpm work if you have to
[05:15] <|QuaD-> sam_: you can use a program called alien
[05:15] <sam_> okay
[05:15] <eyequeue> sam_:  yes, a pure deb version is always best, if you can
[05:15] <sam_> but i'm not sure if i could install alien either
[05:15] <|QuaD-> why?
[05:15] <chrismurf> I can give you a hand with that if you need it.
[05:15] <sam_> oh well. i'll try it
[05:16] <sam_> thnx
[05:16] <Br34ch>  /join #linux
[05:16] <Br34ch> eeps
[05:16] <eyequeue> sam_:  apt-get install alien (it was originally written by debian, and converts between all sorts of formats)
[05:16] <|QuaD-> Br34ch: we aren't enough help here???
[05:16] <bitfoo> ;[
[05:16] <eyequeue> |QuaD-:  maybe he had redhat questions, heh
[05:16] <Br34ch> Oh, no! The support here is wonderful, simply just that I was curious which chan had more people in it
[05:17] <eyequeue> Br34ch:  /list #debian
[05:17] <|QuaD-> Br34ch: they do
[05:17] <bitfoo> gentoo has the most
[05:17] <eyequeue> Br34ch:  scary how many lurk in there
[05:17] <Br34ch> Yep . . . 356: linux; 303 here
[05:17] <|QuaD-> bitfoo: really?
[05:17] <bitfoo> yes
[05:17] <bitfoo> 871
[05:17] <Adrenal> this isn't where i parked my car
[05:17] <bitfoo> vs 707 :O
[05:17] <hams> thanks <diety> windows still works, that was harrowing!
[05:18] <|QuaD-> bitfoo: #win32 has more
[05:18] <Adrenal> hams: wait, your pleased windows isn't gone?
[05:18] <bitfoo> lies!
[05:18] <|QuaD-> bitfoo: did you check?
[05:18] <bitfoo> yes
[05:18] <bitfoo> it has 12 :|
[05:18] <|QuaD-> :)
[05:18] <hams> adrenal: i know, i know...
[05:18] <|QuaD-> i didn't even know there was a channel
[05:18] <|QuaD-> lol
[05:18] <Orbo> bitfoo, okay lines added
[05:18] <eyequeue> Adrenal:  whenever i lock my keys in the car, i'm glad i have windows, lol
[05:18] <Orbo> no just try synaptic again?
[05:18] <bitfoo> yeh
[05:19] <bitfoo> open synaptic and press reload
[05:19] <Adrenal> microsoft gives you windows, ubuntu gives you the whole house
[05:19] <bitfoo> you should see new versions
[05:19] <hams> does anyone know how to force grub to go to the menu list? rather than boot something by default?
[05:19] <Br34ch> Well, see . . . if you forgot the keys or something, you can break the windows and get in the car anyways.
[05:19] <bitfoo> alternatively go back to the terminal and type "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[05:19] <bitfoo> :|
[05:19] <Adrenal> when does the new ubuntu come out anyway??
[05:20] <Br34ch> Haha.. I just realized how repetitive that was. Yeah, gimme a sec.. I'll fade away
[05:20] <eyequeue> hams:  /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:20] <chrismurf> hams: yes - load up menu.list in gedit by running sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.list
[05:20] <farruinn> Adrenal: april
[05:20] <|QuaD-> for fun i like adding repos from all different deb based distros and apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:20] <|QuaD-> see if it breaks
[05:21] <hams> chrismurf, but what removes the default boot?
[05:21] <chrismurf> hams, it's called "hiddenmenu" or something like that
[05:22] <Orbo> bitfoo: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:22] <Orbo> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:22] <chrismurf> hams, comment it out
[05:22] <|QuaD-> Orbo: put sudo first
[05:22] <Orbo> i did that as root
[05:22] <estebandido> is there a separate ubuntu-ppc channel?
[05:23] <jdub> estebandido: no
[05:23] <eyequeue> Orbo:  root? in ubuntu?
[05:23] <hams> chirsmurf: thanks
[05:23] <bitfoo> you cant do it and have synaptics open
[05:23] <jdub> Orbo: it means you're running dpkg or apt elsewhere
[05:23] <bitfoo> one or the other
[05:23] <neo23> yes
[05:23] <farruinn> or synaptic
[05:23] <estebandido> ok, then here's my question... i want to install ubuntu-ppc over gentoo-ppc, but i can't get the bios to recognize the cdrom at start-up
[05:24] <farruinn> is it an oldworld ppc?
[05:24] <|QuaD-> estebandido: over it?
[05:24] <Adrenal> how does one install linux to a mac?
[05:24] <Adrenal> just like on a pc?
[05:24] <farruinn> Adrenal: unless it's oldworld mac
[05:24] <bitfoo> i guess :/
[05:24] <|QuaD-> Adrenal: yeah, just with a ppc distro
[05:24] <Adrenal> ah, sweet
[05:24] <eyequeue> Adrenal:  with the right boot macish cd of course
[05:24] <farruinn> or a G5 iMac =)
[05:24] <estebandido> |QuaD-: to replace it
[05:25] <|QuaD-> estebandido: oh :)
[05:25] <Adrenal> yeh, friends getting a mini mac, but he's gonna use ubuntu as well as macosx
[05:25] <|QuaD-> Adrenal: does he want to buy me one?
[05:25] <|QuaD-> i looked into it
[05:25] <Adrenal> they look sweet
[05:25] <|QuaD-> i was all set to purchase a fully loaded minimac
[05:25] <farruinn> Adrenal: there was a post on ubuntu-users, someone tried but didn't get video or sound support :/
[05:25] <estebandido> gentoo brings the kitchen sink, which i don't need
[05:25] <|QuaD-> but for 1k, i want the g5!
[05:25] <Adrenal> i mean, fair beasty comp, the size of a cdrom
[05:26] <Adrenal> farruinm: ubuntu-users?
[05:26] <farruinn> the mailing list
[05:26] <|QuaD-> Adrenal: if it had a G5 i would have gotten it
[05:26] <Adrenal> ah, k
[05:26] <|QuaD-> they just lowered prices today too :)
[05:26] <Adrenal> meh, i'm a pc man
[05:26] <farruinn> |QuaD-: but then it wouldn't be as cheap as it is =)
[05:26] <Adrenal> cos i like windows for games
[05:26] <melazyboy2> what mounts a firewire drive to /media/ieee1394disk
[05:26] <eyequeue> ubuntu-zaurus :)
[05:26] <Adrenal> cedega still has a way to go
[05:26] <bitfoo> why wouldnt it run a mac mini?
[05:26] <|QuaD-> farruinn: its not really that cheap
[05:26] <melazyboy2> what mounts a firewire drive to /media/ieee1394disk; i don't know the name of the script responsible and i need to invoke it
[05:27] <|QuaD-> eyequeue: ubuntu-zaurus??? wtf?
[05:27] <farruinn> |QuaD-: it is in comparison to the rest of apple's line
[05:27] <Orbo> thanks for the upgrading help everyone
[05:27] <eyequeue> |QuaD-:  just dreaming
[05:27] <Orbo> I have another question as well
[05:27] <bitfoo> it worked orbo?
[05:27] <Adrenal> orbo:42
[05:27] <Orbo> yeah afaik
[05:27] <|QuaD-> farruinn: true, but i could get a pc for that price, probably cheaper with a 3.6 ghz processor
[05:27] <bitfoo> cool
[05:27] <|QuaD-> the specs aren't amazing
[05:27] <Orbo> adrenal: ?
[05:27] <Adrenal> the other question
[05:27] <Adrenal> never mind
[05:28] <|QuaD-> eyequeue: i wish zaurus's weren't discontinued in america :(
[05:28] <Orbo> oh right, I recently installed fglrx at drivers
[05:28] <|QuaD-> thats another expensive product
[05:28] <Orbo> did fglrxconfig and all that
[05:28] <Orbo> but shouldnt my gl screen savers be running smoothly on a 9800pro?
[05:28] <Adrenal> did u restart?
[05:29] <neo23> work in radeon 9550
[05:29] <drspin> real quick :: command to check disk space available?
[05:29] <Br34ch> heh.. this nub is in trouble. (synaptic:29736): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtktreeview.c: line 7633 (gtk_tree_view_unref_tree_helper): assertion `node != NULL' failed // <-- uhm?
[05:29] <|QuaD-> $1,272.00  for a mac mini!
[05:29] <hams_> chatting from ubuntu! :)
[05:29] <|QuaD-> thats too expensive for a g4!
[05:29] <Adrenal> its small though
[05:29] <drspin> |QuaD-: yes
[05:30] <Adrenal> almost a poor man's laptop
[05:30] <|QuaD-> Adrenal: but i can build a pc like that for a lot less
[05:30] <faxons> drspin: df -h
[05:30] <Orbo> adrenal:...no
[05:30] <Orbo> but assuming it doesnt work after I do that, can you give me some options?
[05:30] <farruinn> |QuaD-: $1272?
[05:30] <Adrenal> poorman's laptop=pc built in back pack, with lcd screen at back
[05:30] <drspin> anyone in Phoenix that has a USB dirve they'll let me borrow for a night?
[05:31] <|QuaD-> farruinn: i need 1 gig of ram, the faster processor, the 80 gig hd, and the wireless options
[05:31] <drspin> I need to repartition and kill the NTFS
[05:31] <|QuaD-> then i threw in the service plan for kicks
[05:31] <Adrenal> drspin: hmm, lets see
[05:31] <Adrenal> meet some guy i met over the internet
[05:31] <Adrenal> ..hmm
[05:31] <randabis-laptop> can't beat the tiny size :p
[05:31] <eyequeue> drspin:  cool idea
[05:31] <drspin> LOL
[05:31] <farruinn> |QuaD-: aaah, well if I needed those things I wouldn't be getting a macmini
[05:31] <eyequeue> drspin:  i'm far away, and don't have one, but i'd loan it to you if i could
[05:31] <Adrenal> drsping: i would, but wrong country, if u wanna move though
[05:31] <Adrenal> just holler
[05:31] <|QuaD-> farruinn: what would you give up?
[05:32] <estebandido> back to my question... any thoughts on getting the bios to see my cd drive?
[05:32] <drspin> LOL -thanks for lookin' out ;)
[05:32] <farruinn> estebandido: you never answered my question, oldworld or newworld?
[05:32] <|QuaD-> farruinn: if it had the g5 it would be mine!
[05:32] <Orbo> I know my monitor supports 1240x1024 screen resolution, why can't I choose that?
[05:32] <randabis-laptop> i would not even consider running a mac mini without at least 512 mb of ram
[05:32] <jdub> theora/vorbis stream: http://home.waugh.id.au:8800/
[05:32] <farruinn> oldworld (beige) probably won't boot the cd on it's own
[05:32] <estebandido> oh, sorry, new, i'm pretty sure
[05:32] <estebandido> it's a 2001 ibook
[05:33] <randabis-laptop> osx and 256 won't play nice on a system with a 5400 rpm mini drive
[05:33] <drspin> Orbo: you'll have th edit the XF86Config-4 file
[05:33] <Adrenal> scotty doesn't know that fiona and me...
[05:33] <randabis-laptop> there will be too much disk swapping going on
[05:33] <|QuaD-> randabis-laptop: thats why i need a gig
[05:33] <farruinn> estebandido: yeah, that's newworld, are you sure the disk has been burned correctly?
[05:33] <hams> is gDesklets included in warty? or is that something in need to install on my own?
[05:34] <|QuaD-> hams: install on your own
[05:34] <randabis-laptop> yes there are gdesklets
[05:34] <drspin> OS X is nice but it's REALLY slow except on G5
[05:34] <estebandido> it's the one i got from south africa
[05:34] <drspin> at least it feels slow
[05:34] <chrismurf> hams, gDesklets needs to be installed ,but is pretty bloated.
[05:34] <drspin> some higher powered G4 weren't so bad with LOTS and LOTS of RAM
[05:34] <|QuaD-> drspin: for the price they are charging, they should have a g5
[05:34] <farruinn> estebandido: what exactly is the error?
[05:34] <randabis-laptop> you have to install gdesklets, but it is in the universe repositories
[05:34] <estebandido> but, i have a problem... i have to tell gentoo where the kernel is every time i boot
[05:34] <eyequeue> okay, who has a favorite app i should look into?
[05:34] <drspin> |QuaD-: prices will drop after the hype -- not much but some
[05:35] <Adrenal> bbl folks
[05:35] <drspin> |QuaD-: plus you'll start finding them on eBay in no time
[05:35] <chrismurf> estebandido, just put the location into /boot/grub/grub.conf
[05:35] <hams> chrismurf: that's why i got the mad cpu!!
[05:35] <hams> more clocks all around :)
[05:35] <|QuaD-> drspin: i am not really waiting around... i will probably end up building my dual opteron then buying a powerbook
[05:35] <estebandido> ah, ok, and what about the cd?
[05:35] <jdub> not many people connecting to the stream
[05:35] <drspin> |QuaD-: Dual Opteron would be more fun anyway ;) Hand on rulez
[05:36] <drspin> *hands
[05:36] <farruinn> estebandido: you're holding the C key down as you boot?
[05:36] <randabis-laptop> powerbook g5's will be around before the end of the year
[05:36] <estebandido> err... no
[05:36] <eyequeue> jdub:  i never got sound working, or i'd try it
[05:36] <|QuaD-> drspin: i am top 5 finalist in some contest... if i get number one, thats 10 grand split between me and someone else... that pays for both :)
[05:36] <estebandido> good thinking
[05:36] <farruinn> :D
[05:36] <drspin> eyequeue: lsmod |grep snd
[05:36] <eyequeue> video is just frustrating here
[05:36] <jdub> it's theora/vorbis
[05:36] <drspin> eyequeue: we started this earlier but didn't finish
[05:37] <drspin> |QuaD-: nice :)
[05:37] <|QuaD-> drspin: no g5 powerbooks?
[05:38] <faxons> jdub: have I seen you on gnome-dev?
[05:38] <eyequeue> drspin:  snd_intel8x0           32352  3 (and other lines)
[05:38] <jdub> faxons: hrm?
[05:38] <Orbo> drspin: when I do a fglrxconfig what does virtual desktop do exactly?
[05:38] <drspin> |QuaD-: I have an old Powerbook 3500c and my Dell -- I use the PB for remote X sessions and some light email duty while I'm on the road...
[05:39] <estebandido> back
[05:39] <faxons> aren't you on gnome-dev irc a lot?
[05:39] <drspin> Orbo: I don't know... try a search on google
[05:39] <jdub> faxons: i'm the gnome release manager, etc.
[05:39] <|QuaD-> drspin: that was my plan.... make it just for remote things
[05:39] <|QuaD-> and play with a mac :)
[05:40] <drspin> |QuaD-: my thoughts exactly when i bought mine with all the upgrades for $100 :)
[05:40] <faxons> jdub: cool, just recognised the name
[05:40] <|QuaD-> drspin: or maybe one of the really really small sony lapyops
[05:40] <|QuaD-> heh
[05:41] <drspin> CD
[05:41] <faxons> jdub: I'm looking forward to 2.10
[05:41] <randabis-laptop> so am I
[05:41] <drspin> just so I can repartition the drive better
[05:42] <farruinn> drspin: I believe you can download 7.5 or something for free
[05:42] <faxons> jdub: got any recomendations for a project for a new developer?
[05:42] <drspin> farruinn: REALLY??????????????????????????????? That would be AMAZING
[05:42] <drspin> (sorry)
[05:42] <farruinn> not sure where though
[05:43] <geneo93> i've seen it on mldonkey osx
[05:43] <eyequeue> faxons:  what "scratches your itch"?
[05:43] <farruinn> but I'm pretty sure you can get some crazy old version on apple's site
[05:43] <farruinn> but be prepared for digging
[05:43] <jdub> faxons: hrm, will do, but give me a moment, sorting out streaming stuff with flumotion
[05:43] <jdub> faxons: but i'll be back in a sec :)
[05:44] <sri_> mmm...flumotion server live cd using ubuntu
[05:44] <faxons> I don't really know, I've been using oss for a while but I'm not great with the GNU dev environment
[05:44] <randabis-laptop> lol
[05:45] <jdub> sri_: doing it :-)
[05:45] <faxons> cd burning in rhythmbox would be nice
[05:45] <sri_> jdub: rock :)
[05:45] <sri_> faxons: code's in there kinda sorta
[05:45] <drspin> playlist sorting in rhythmbox would be nicer
[05:46] <hams> on boot, the kernel looks at /dev/sda1, it there a way to stop that?
[05:46] <drspin> keeping within the do one thing well concept discussed earlier ;)
[05:46] <sri_> faxons: you have to get it from the tla rb branch
[05:46] <faxons> yea, but I think that's a little out of my league right now
[05:46] <eyequeue> brb
[05:46] <sri_> faxons: heh.  well, one day walters will wake up from doing cups+gnome stuff and work on rb.
[05:47] <sri_> but you really do want walters to work on CUPS+gnome integration ;)
[05:47] <faxons> I'm that damn generation Y  I want results right away
[05:48] <faxons> something I can get into and feel like I'm helping sooner rather than later
[05:48] <geneo93> is there a way to check mru with dial up
[05:48] <Darcy> hi ppls i need some help with ubuntu
[05:49] <|QuaD-> Darcy: you came ot the right place
[05:50] <kakalto> I don't suppose anyone has an idea of where I can find a grub install disk image?
[05:50] <estebandido> :)
[05:50] <Darcy> can anybody give me thi minimum system requirements?
[05:50] <faxons> sri: any sugestions?
[05:50] <geneo93> for install or live cd
[05:51] <Darcy>  install, butr right now i am using live cd
[05:51] <kakalto> did you download them or get it shipped?
[05:51] <Darcy> download
[05:51] <kakalto> ohk
[05:51] <bob2> kakalto: er, grub installl disk image? what for?
[05:52] <geneo93> well i would recommend at least 256mb of ram
[05:52] <kakalto> bob2, I want to install grub to a certain partition, so it doesn't matter if I ever wipe any other partitions
[05:53] <Darcy> im using 224 now and it works ok
[05:53] <kakalto> Darcy; it REQUIREs 32MB RAM, and 1.8GB HDD space, or 350MB HDD Space for minimum install
[05:53] <Darcy> thanx dude
[05:53] <geneo93> well it should be enough but not for kde and OO
[05:54] <kakalto> but if your hardware is old, you can have troubles installing it, due to driver issues...
[05:54] <Darcy> what about cpu? any idea?
[05:54] <rob__> ive seen it work on pentium 1s Darcy
[05:54] <eyequeue> Darcy:  i suspect 386
[05:54] <kakalto> not sure, I haven't got the GUI working on my 233Mhz computer yet
[05:54] <kakalto> but that was a driver issue :P
[05:54] <eyequeue> Darcy:  the default kernel is 386 at least
[05:54] <geneo93> np8-)
[05:55] <Darcy> i want to install it on p2-400 256mb ram and 32mb vid card
[05:55] <|QuaD-> Darcy: that will work
[05:55] <geneo93> thats fine
[05:55] <Darcy> only thing is its a compaq
[05:55] <Darcy> yeah, but for some reason live cd didnt worj
[05:55] <geneo93> more than enough
[05:56] <randabis-laptop> it didn't work? in what way?
[05:56] <rob__> that should be fine.  it will be  a bit slow unless you use something minimal like Icewm or whatever
[05:56] <Darcy> GUI stuffed up all fuzzy
[05:56] <Darcy> and wierd
[05:56] <randabis-laptop> hmm
[05:56] <geneo93> i installed it on old hp vectra 200mhz 96 mb of ram 4 mb video card
[05:57] <mpool> or do this: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/gnome/metacity-slow-machines.html
[05:57] <geneo93> slow but usable
[05:57] <eyequeue> sourcefrog? :)
[05:57] <eyequeue> i like that
[05:57] <mpool> (-:
[05:58] <Darcy> how do i use this?
[05:58] <randabis-laptop> netsplit
[06:00] <Darcy> where do i find that?
[06:00] <mpool> use which?
[06:01] <Darcy> http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/gnome/metacity-slow-machines.html
[06:03] <bur[n] er> anyone have issues with array 3 and x not working... then the pc freezing completely?
[06:03] <daniels> er
[06:03] <bur[n] er> (maybe i should use warty)
[06:03] <Darcy> i went to failsafe on the p2-400
[06:04] <Darcy> it should work
[06:04] <bur[n] er> how would you fix it Darcy?
[06:04] <Darcy> do u guys think i should install it on a seperate partition hwen i get the intall cd
[06:04] <Darcy> i dont know
[06:05] <Darcy> i was saying that it should work
[06:05] <mpool> Darcy: you use the metacity reduced-resources mode by typing those two commands into a shell
[06:05] <Orbo> little help?
[06:05] <Orbo> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:05] <Darcy> ok
[06:05] <geneo93> seperate from what
[06:05] <Darcy> what do i save it into
[06:05] <bitfoo> yo how do i see which video card driver i am using
[06:05] <mpool> save what into?
[06:05] <bitfoo> like whether its the fglxr running or mesa or whatev
[06:06] <mpool> bitfoo: /var/log/X.0.log
[06:06] <Darcy> the commands
[06:06] <Orbo> what does this mean?
[06:06] <Orbo> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:06] <mpool> paste them into a gnome-terminal
[06:06] <bitfoo> oh i dont have x.org
[06:06] <bitfoo> right
[06:07] <Darcy> ok got it
[06:07] <Darcy> but i want to do this on my mother computer
[06:07] <Darcy> and i cant see the gui
[06:07] <bitfoo> ok nice :)
[06:07] <Darcy> on that one
[06:07] <mpool> for her account, or for yours?
[06:07] <bitfoo> (II) fglrx(0):     Name: fglrx
[06:07] <bitfoo> (II) fglrx(0):     Version: 3.12.0
[06:08] <mpool> hm
[06:08] <randabis-laptop> Orbo, that means you aren't using direct rendering
[06:08] <mpool> there should be some way to set them system-wide, but i'm not sure
[06:08] <mpool> have a look at the gconftool docs
[06:10] <Darcy> well thanks dudes ,you guys have been alot of help ;)
[06:10] <Darcy> c yas
[06:11] <hams> can i install ubuntu on an external firewire drive with the install CD?
[06:11] <geneo93> hmmm gaim just crashed on me
[06:12] <mpool> probably
[06:12] <mpool> can your machine boot from a firewire drive though?
[06:12] <bur[n] er> anyone successfully use hoary-array-3.iso ??
[06:12] <geneo93> if it will boot
[06:12] <drspin> http://mes.emuunlim.com/software/macos/macos.htm :: I didn't validate the links but it looks good
[06:12] <drspin> geneo93: are you using pre 1.0?
[06:12] <hams> mpool: i don't know, but i read an article on how to boot from a flash drive and then mount the firewire drive and boot from there
[06:13] <geneo93> prolly just updating now
[06:13] <drspin> geneo93: I still had some stability issues before 1.0
[06:14] <geneo93> i have 1.1.2 in mdk but i dunno what one this is
[06:14] <geneo93> no its v1.0.0
[06:16] <geneo93> can i paste here 4 lines
[06:16] <|QuaD-> geneo93: NO!!!
[06:16] <|QuaD-> pastebin
[06:16] <|QuaD-> #flood
[06:16] <drspin> geneo93: for what purpose?
[06:16] <mpool> i think 4 lines would be OK
[06:16] <mpool> since you just used 3 lines saying NO after all
[06:17] <drspin> I agree
[06:17] <gamecat> hey all.
[06:17] <geneo93> none maybe its something else SAXv1 is what its calling
[06:17] <|QuaD-> geneo93: I WILL BAN YOU FROM IRC... not just this channel, not just this network, but ALL of IRC
[06:18] <mpool> ah
[06:18] <mpool> gotta love freenode
[06:18] <Orbo> these gl screen savers should all be working fine with a 9800pro right?
[06:18] <Orbo> is there a was to see if the driver is even loaded?
[06:18] <geneo93> yeah right
[06:18] <drspin> lsmod
[06:18] <drspin> oops
[06:18] <drspin> wrong driver ;)
[06:18] <swj> I just installed ubuntu for the first time using expert. Just a few questions. :)
[06:19] <|QuaD-> ok?
[06:19] <bitfoo> orbo: try running glxgear in a terminal to see what your framerates are :O
[06:19] <swj> I was just wondering why games were installed even though I did a custom install
[06:19] <bitfoo> err sorry glxgears
[06:19] <drspin> *twitch* bed time *twitch*
[06:19] <drspin> night all
[06:19] <bitfoo> yo how do i run a .patch :O
[06:20] <gamecat> I'm here for wireless help, if anyone can give it.
[06:20] <geneo93> why terminal you can turn that on
[06:21] <swj> also how can I upgrade to hoary?
[06:21] <Orbo> bitfoo: 370fps
[06:21] <Orbo> sometimes jumping to 1170
[06:21] <bitfoo> :O
[06:21] <bitfoo> i get 1300fps with radeon 9700 mobile :/
[06:21] <K-Rich> Greets
[06:21] <HrdwrBoB> swj: change 'warty' to 'hoary' in /etc/apt/sources.list and either use synaptic of apt-get to upgrade
[06:21] <farruinn> Orbo: you could 'grep /var/log/[applicable X log here]  [driver name] '
[06:21] <Orbo> lsmod doesnt say anything ati related
[06:21] <geneo93> just change warty to hoary in sources
[06:21] <swj> thanks
[06:21] <HrdwrBoB> gamecat: what is your wireless problem
[06:21] <swj> I just want to see what happens :)
[06:22] <bitfoo> yeh do that
[06:22] <geneo93> repositories that is
[06:22] <farruinn> Orbo: that's because lsmod is for kernel modules
[06:22] <bitfoo> it would be XFree86-4.0.log for you i think
[06:22] <randabis-laptop> Orbo you should be using the fglrx driver for your card
[06:22] <swj> I like ubuntu overall but I would like more customization in terms of install base apps, (ex. no games and such)
[06:22] <bitfoo> so "grep /var/log/XFree86-4.0.log fglrx"
[06:23] <|QuaD-> swj: apt-get remove?
[06:23] <bitfoo> yeh just remove them :O
[06:23] <HrdwrBoB> swj: once you start including options like that, you lose the simplicity of the install
[06:23] <randabis-laptop> swj you should have been able to remove them in the beginning with aptitude
[06:23] <bitfoo> i didnt even see a choice to install for expert lol :X
[06:23] <swj> Quad thanks I am comming from fedora core..so I am new to apt (and linux) and not afraid to admit it
[06:23] <Orbo> randbis-laptop
[06:23] <farruinn> is that what "expert mode" or whatever does for you? puts you into aptitude?
[06:23] <Orbo> i am
[06:23] <randabis-laptop> also, the server option will only install the bare minimum system
[06:24] <|QuaD-> swj: there are great tutorials on ubuntuguide.org
[06:24] <swj> I'll check it out
[06:24] <geneo93> new to apt
[06:25] <geneo93> gee thats all i used in fedora
[06:25] <swj> I am not partial to any distro..I think linux should be fun...so I'm keeping an open mind...this ubuntu thing is different though ;)
[06:25] <swj> geneo93, yum is the default in fedora
[06:25] <swj> rpm
[06:25] <geneo93> well yum is silly
[06:26] <swj> in any case geneo93, rpm is the default
[06:26] <geneo93> so is yast
[06:26] <geneo93> i always use apt
[06:26] <swj> ok
[06:27] <|QuaD-> rpm=yucky
[06:27] <randabis-laptop> I really dislike yast...It would be okay if it actually worked correctly most of the time hehe
[06:27] <|QuaD-> urpmi was ok
[06:27] <gamecat> okay, I need help from someone who has installed a new wireless card into an existing ubuntu box and then joined an existing wireless network.
[06:27] <gamecat> preferably one using an apple AirPort as the ap.
[06:27] <swj> if speaking about yast in terms of SUse..I was'nt impressed with suse
[06:27] <geneo93> sure better than yast or yum
[06:28] <randabis-laptop> gamecat there's entries in the ubuntu wiki on that subject
[06:28] <geneo93> suse's ok i needs some things
[06:28] <bitfoo> suse is PIMP for laptops though
[06:28] <gamecat> yeah... unfortunately, they have not gotten me where I need to be.
[06:28] <randabis-laptop> dang
[06:28] <gamecat> gleaned a lot from em tho.
[06:29] <randabis-laptop> how about the ubuntu forums?
[06:29] <farruinn> gamecat: perhaps you could ask a more specific question then
[06:29] <gamecat> enough that I bought a card with an atheros chipset so I could use the madwifi drivers.
[06:29] <gamecat> on it, farruinn.
[06:29] <gamecat> just sec.
[06:29] <swj> suse never detects my Lcd syncmaster monitors correctly (out of sync) oh irony.
[06:29] <geneo93> well what were u using before wireless
[06:29] <gamecat> yer basic 3com onboard ethernet.
[06:29] <gamecat> ok, here's the sich.
[06:30] <gamecat> new house, roommates have set up wireless only. no way for me to do wired access.
[06:30] <geneo93> dont anyone know here this is the help channel
[06:30] <swj> anyone using hoary in here?
[06:30] <randabis-laptop> I am
[06:30] <gamecat> so I installed a D-Link DWL-G520
[06:30] <randabis-laptop> I have it running smoothly on 3 boxes
[06:30] <gamecat> in my desktop.
[06:30] <drspin> can I directly control the fans in my comp?
[06:31] <gamecat> So now, ubuntu recognizes that there's an ath0 device installed, and I can change its properties with iwconfig.
[06:31] <geneo93> swj:  i had it but rearanged things on this box so reinstalling now
[06:31] <randabis-laptop> drspin you'd need a fan controller of some sort, or a motherboard that does that
[06:31] <gamecat> HOWEVER, I can't connect to my housemates' network.
[06:31] <drspin> randabis-laptop: I just don't remember these fans being so loud when I was running windows
[06:31] <bitfoo> anyone patched their dsdt table here
[06:31] <gamecat> I know the ESSID and the password/key
[06:32] <gamecat> but I don't know the channel, and I don't know how to work with scanning for networks.
[06:32] <swj> what I can't figure is the difference between a expert install and a straight install (auto) .. I suppose the partitioning for one?
[06:32] <gamecat> now, on winXP, which I'm using now, the network management ware will automatically detect networks in the area.
[06:32] <geneo93> use airsnort
[06:32] <gamecat> yeah?
[06:33] <gamecat> is that part of base install, or should I grab debs before booting back to ubuntu.
[06:33] <gamecat> ?
[06:33] <geneo93> no not partitioning
[06:33] <godsmoke> airsnort is a terrible way to 'detect' networks
[06:33] <gamecat> Okay.
[06:33] <godsmoke> there is no good application with ubuntu packages to do that
[06:33] <HrdwrBoB> sudo iwlist eth1 scan
[06:33] <gamecat> god damn.
[06:34] <HrdwrBoB> where eth1 is your wireless device
[06:34] <gamecat> so what's my course of action? Do I need to ... hmm.
[06:34] <geneo93> well what other method u going to use then
[06:34] <godsmoke> HrdwrBoB: most chipset drivers in linux don't support that
[06:34] <HrdwrBoB> if you're using hoary, you can apt-get install netapplet
[06:34] <gamecat> godsmoke: atheros chipset; assume I'm using the madwifi drivers since it shows up as ath0.
[06:34] <gamecat> does that support it?
[06:34] <godsmoke> hrm ...
[06:35] <godsmoke> dunno
[06:35] <HrdwrBoB> gamecat: tryit and you will know :)
[06:35] <godsmoke> give it a try
[06:35] <geneo93> gee he needs net to get hoary
[06:35] <godsmoke> I don't use atheros
[06:35] <gamecat> what do you use?
[06:35] <|QuaD-> anyone here using a card with prism2 chipset?
[06:35] <eyequeue>  ipw2200 here
[06:35] <randabis-laptop> no my wifi card is a DWL-G630
[06:35] <eyequeue> centrino
[06:35] <swj> guess I'm going to upgrade to hoary and watch my ubuntu break
[06:36] <swj> thanks for the help
[06:36] <randabis-laptop> it won't break
[06:36] <|QuaD-> swj: you are new to debian, and going to hoary? not reccomended
[06:36] <gamecat> at any rate, doing this automatically isn't top priority; if I can just figure out what to put in manually, that's good enough for now.
[06:36] <jdub> s/won't/shouldn't/
[06:36] <geneo93> dont forget kernel 2.6.10
[06:36] <randabis-laptop> "unstable" is semi misleading
[06:37] <eyequeue> stable means unchanging
[06:37] <swj> QuaD, well I figure when I run into problems and then I figure out how to fix it...I learn something
[06:37] <eyequeue> unstable changes often
[06:37] <geneo93> only certain things are unstable
[06:37] <swj> I want to learn more about linux (debian) than just using gaim and IRC / firefox :)
[06:38] <eyequeue> swj:  lynx /usr/share/doc/    :)
[06:38] <geneo93> swj:  i have a unix manual you could read
[06:38] <jdub> randabis-laptop: yeah, that's why we don't call it "unstable" directly
[06:38] <|QuaD-> i jsut touched my tounge to the uart cable from the back of my computer
[06:38] <K-Rich> swj: i suggest reading as many books as you can... and back up often :)
[06:38] <|QuaD-> that was fun
[06:39] <K-Rich> lol |QuaD-
[06:39] <swj> already read running linux 4th edition
[06:39] <swj> its ok
[06:39] <swj> not really to deep...good overview
[06:39] <jdub> randabis-laptop: so when people don't know what hoary means already, i explain it as "development branch" rather than saying the u word (not ubuntu ;)
[06:39] <|QuaD-> K-Rich: if you are looking for a good time try ti
[06:39] <eyequeue> 4.10th edition ;)
[06:39] <defile> this distro isn't bad ;P
[06:39] <randabis-laptop> jdub :) exactly
[06:40] <K-Rich> |QuaD-: naw, i was pulling a NIC from my box today and had my free arm on the case and forgot to unplug the box, shoick the hell out of myself
[06:40] <farruinn> you have to admit though that there are broken packages from time to time in unstable - I mean devel :P
[06:40] <geneo93> no if you want to learn user + admin commands you need unix manual
[06:40] <swj> from what I've been reading about hoary...it will be nice when its released
[06:40] <randabis-laptop> so grumpy has indeed been changed to Bendy? (hoary+1)
[06:40] <farruinn> swj: it will be awesome
[06:41] <eyequeue> geneo93, swj: http://rute.sourceforge.net/
[06:41] <randabis-laptop> farruinn that's the fun part
[06:41] <randabis-laptop> as beta testers we get to find the broken stuff and help the developers fix it
[06:41] <randabis-laptop> or fix it ourselves
[06:41] <gamecat> invalid project eyeque.
[06:41] <farruinn> if I had a second box I would install hoary on it
[06:41] <jdub> randabis-laptop: hasn't been announced yet, but it is almost certain
[06:42] <eyequeue> gamecat:  damn. it moved? :(
[06:42] <geneo93> dont make me load pages i'm on 28800 connection here
[06:42] <randabis-laptop> okay :) that's why the wiki hasn't changed then
[06:42] <swj> reason I don't like fedora anymore is the fact that there is too much outside interference with repos and such...no one can agree
[06:42] <|QuaD-> jdub: have you guys started working on grumpy/bendy yet? or do you wait until we get it to start?
[06:42] <talibkweli> does anyone here have experience dual booting FC3 and warty
[06:42] <gamecat> suppose so. *shrug*
[06:42] <gamecat> er, that was to eq.
[06:42] <eyequeue> geneo93:  i was recommending a good tutorial, but i guess it's gone now .... google for "rute"
[06:42] <geneo93> eyequeue:  that url is invalid
[06:43] <eyequeue> geneo93:  right
[06:43] <swj> eyequeue, rute does not work
[06:43] <eyequeue> geneo93:  i pointed many to it over the years, and now, poof, sorry
[06:43] <FR500> hello
[06:44] <geneo93> i have unix manual dont know how big it is but its usefull
[06:44] <FR500> what is the default root password? i never got asked for one and i can't use su -
[06:44] <randabis-laptop> there is none
[06:44] <FR500> not that i really needed it though
[06:44] <FR500> mmm
[06:44] <FR500> ok
[06:44] <randabis-laptop> if you want root
[06:44] <eyequeue> FR500:  there is none, use sudo instead
[06:44] <randabis-laptop> sudo su
[06:44] <swj> FR500, appears to be disabled
[06:44] <FR500> oh
[06:44] <swj> but there is indeed a root
[06:44] <randabis-laptop> password is your user password with sudo
[06:45] <gamecat> should you need a persistent root password, you can do sudo passwd root
[06:45] <gamecat> but you should try not for a while.
[06:45] <randabis-laptop> I don't find it necessary
[06:45] <gabaug> I messed up my dbus install by deleting some files (/etc/dbus-1/system.conf specifically) on hoary ...  I tried to apt-get --reinstall it but that complains about said file
[06:45] <randabis-laptop> sudo is secure enough
[06:46] <swj> I changed my source.list, so do I just apt upgrade or something like that?
[06:46] <swj> from sudo
[06:46] <randabis-laptop> swj apt-get update
[06:46] <randabis-laptop> apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:46] <eyequeue> swj, geneo93: i guess it is now at http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
[06:46] <swj> randabis-laptop, thanks
[06:46] <swj> well let ya know how it went if I can get back ;)
[06:46] <geneo93> sjw just mark ugrades and apply
[06:47] <swj> geneo93, thank you mean synaptic
[06:47] <randabis-laptop> when it asks you about configuration files, tell it to write new ones unless you notice it is something you need
[06:47] <swj> ok thanks
[06:47] <randabis-laptop> dammit
[06:47] <randabis-laptop> I wasn't finished
[06:47] <randabis-laptop> lol
[06:47] <geneo93> why are you leaving
[06:48] <randabis-laptop> I was going to tell him that if the upgrade fails at any time to run it again
[06:48] <geneo93> yup simple thing is gui for apt
[06:48] <randabis-laptop> I perfer using apt-get
[06:48] <randabis-laptop> I only use synaptic if I'm searching for a package or just browsing what's available
[06:48] <FR500> on shutdown i get lots of too much work for irq 11 errors
[06:48] <FR500> what is that?
[06:49] <geneo93> oh yeah well i've started this thing here at least 10 times today
[06:49] <hams> is there a way to get the source used to compile debian packages?
[06:50] <geneo93> irq 11 is over loaded
[06:50] <geneo93> yes
[06:50] <FR500> well i didnt do a thing, just a default setup
[06:50] <randabis-laptop> hams I believe there's something called apt-build
[06:51] <geneo93> http://archive.ubuntu.com
[06:51] <randabis-laptop> and there are source debs for all packages
[06:51] <randabis-laptop> unless the package isn't open source
[06:51] <jdub> |QuaD-: doesn't open until preview/final
[06:51] <hams> hmmm... no apt-build in /usr/bin
[06:51] <|QuaD-> oh ok
[06:52] <FR500> where is grub config file?
[06:52] <geneo93> and there included in synaotic also
[06:52] <randabis-laptop> you probably have to install apt-build ....I don't know anything about it
[06:52] <geneo93> in boot
[06:53] <FR500> mmm
[06:53] <geneo93> hehe i used lilo
[06:53] <FR500> menu.lst?
[06:53] <randabis-laptop> I like grbu
[06:53] <randabis-laptop> grub even
[06:53] <geneo93> i dont like grub
[06:53] <randabis-laptop> FR500 /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:54] <FR500> thx
[06:54] <geneo93> not me lilo has support for reiserfs4 and grub dont
[06:54] <FR500> would adding those lines to my fc3 menu fix me for a dual linux boot?
[06:55] <randabis-laptop> should
[06:55] <FR500> thx
[06:55] <FR500> noob still
[06:55] <geneo93> i have yoper installed on reiserfs4 and grub dont see it
[06:55] <randabis-laptop> s'ok we all start somewhere
[06:56] <geneo93> hell i have 5 distros on this box
[06:56] <randabis-laptop> the grub developers are probably waiting for reiser 4 to be finished first..dunno
[06:56] <randabis-laptop> I stick with one distro
[06:56] <bitfoo> how do i know if acpi is running :|
[06:57] <geneo93> its stable enough for them to start 6 months ago
[06:57] <randabis-laptop> I'm sure they have their reasons...I can't speak for them
[06:57] <geneo93> ask it
[06:58] <geneo93> yeah i suppose
[06:58] <FR500> great to see i got my wifi working out of the box
[06:58] <FR500> does this use madwifi?
[06:58] <defile> bitfoo, dmesg |grep ACPI
[06:59] <geneo93> but i used grub early on and really didn't care for it i used bootman from beos for a time after that then went to lilo
[06:59] <bitfoo> that did nothing defile :(
[07:00] <bitfoo> maybe i have to reinstall it since i switched to 686 kernel instead of 386
[07:01] <geneo93> ahh thats a lilo option to turn it on or off
[07:01] <geneo93> thats another reason i use lilo
[07:03] <FR500> how do i setup samba here?
[07:04] <FR500> i isntalled it through synaptic
[07:04] <FR500> still it says it's not installed
[07:07] <FR500> someon here?
[07:15] <[optik] > hola
[07:15] <[optik] > qalguien que me pueda ayudar
[07:15] <[optik] > tengo un problema en ubuntu
[07:15] <[optik] > quiero instalar el java
[07:16] <[optik] > desde apt-gte
[07:16] <[optik] > desde apt-get
[07:16] <[optik] > pero no encuentra el paquete
[07:18] <LucidVisions> um..mucho personas aqui no habla espanol.Yo estudio poquito espanol en la esquela,pero no sabe mucho
[07:19] <hams> is ncurses installed by default?
[07:21] <Orbo> root@nyarlathotep:~/Desktop # rpm -i zsnes_1.400-1_i386.deb
[07:21] <Orbo> zsnes_1.400-1_i386.deb: read manifest failed: Success
[07:22] <LucidVisions> official java es no software lebre,pero no problema...un momento por favor,yo tiene el url link
[07:22] <|QuaD-> yo hablo ingles
[07:22] <nick01> hi
[07:22] <Orbo> problems with .deb packages
[07:22] <Orbo> any help?
[07:23] <nick01> I just installed ubuntu and started xchat- I can barely see the text- how do I make it readable ?
[07:23] <eyequeue> Orbo:  wrong tool
[07:23] <LucidVisions> QuaD: im trying my best to speak spanish to optik, but i dont think its working,lol
[07:23] <LucidVisions> hehe
[07:23] <nick01> the font is too dark
[07:23] <eyequeue> Orbo:  dpkg -i foo.deb, not rpm -i foo.deb
[07:23] <|QuaD-> lol
[07:23] <Orbo> ahhh, that makes sense...heh
[07:24] <froust> Anyone know why my eth0 is disabled when I reboot?
[07:24] <Orbo> Ive got another error too...
[07:24] <Orbo> root@nyarlathotep:~/Desktop # tar -xvjf zsnes142src.tar.gz
[07:24] <Orbo> bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
[07:24] <eyequeue> Orbo:  that's gzip, not bzip
[07:24] <geneo91> maybe its not set to start at boot
[07:25] <froust> gen: it used to?
[07:25] <Orbo> so I cant use the tar tool?
[07:25] <eyequeue> Orbo:  i think you don't want that j in there, you want a g maybe?
[07:25] <hams> a configure script can't find the ncurses library, does anyone know why that would be the case?
[07:25] <nick01> what about my xchat font ? :(
[07:25] <Orbo> ah
[07:26] <LucidVisions> Optic: aqui es el link para instructiones el java en ubuntu,http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport/view?searchterm=java
[07:27] <geneo91> well welcome to the club
[07:28] <eyequeue> Orbo:  i'm sorry, use the letter z rather than j
[07:28] <eyequeue> Orbo:  -xvzf
[07:28] <hams> is there a package i need to install that has all the system headers?
[07:28] <LucidVisions> el otro link es aqui,este java es mas nuevo,https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[07:29] <randabis-laptop> hams you need ncurses-dev
[07:29] <LucidVisions> man,i hope he can understand my spanglish,lol
[07:29] <LucidVisions> im german
[07:29] <LucidVisions> hehe
[07:29] <eyequeue> libncurses5-dev, perhaps?
[07:30] <eyequeue> hams:  to compile, think foo-dev, in debian-derived systems
[07:30] <hams> that's a handy note.
[07:30] <eyequeue> hams:  try sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[07:32] <hams> vile compiled!
[07:32] <bitfoo> where are the ubuntu masters :|
[07:33] <hams> thanks for all the help...
[07:33] <EvolutionR> Have any guys here have connected through the ADSL router modem / Lan Card, with bridge mode working? Saying connected to internet, but can't surf,ping websites, download, check email etc?
[07:33] <geneo91> hmm thats strange
[07:34] <melazyboy2> No compile anything in a debian derived system you will first need build-essential
[07:34] <melazyboy2> unless you want to do things the hard way, in which case you would probably be using gentoo
[07:34] <melazyboy2> apt-get install build-essential
[07:35] <Tomcat_> I love build-essential :o
[07:35] <melazyboy2> so do i
[07:35] <melazyboy2> getting make gcc glibc libgc6 etc etc etc etc gets v. old
[07:35] <Tomcat_> Damn... I thought it was an Ubuntu invention... but you just made me look in the Debain package db :)
[07:37] <melazyboy2> lol
[07:37] <Orbo> zsnes package tells me that I need a libpng upgrade
[07:37] <Orbo> how would I do this?
[07:37] <melazyboy2> if you apt get zsnes, and there is a libpng that satisfies it, it would get it for you
[07:38] <geneo91> hehe
[07:38] <melazyboy2> if your apt-getting or using synaptic and it bitches, there is nothign much you can do than either to -f (force) it or to msg the pkg maintainer
[07:38] <Orbo> so apt-get install zsnes?
[07:38] <melazyboy2> probably want to apt-cache search snes first make sure your getting the right one
[07:38] <Orbo> k
[07:39] <randabis-laptop> I installed the xmms-crossfade package, but the plugin is not showing up in xmms...any thoughts?
[07:39] <melazyboy2> gsnes9x sounds like a more mature package off hand
[07:39] <randabis-laptop> I dunno, the zsnes packages works pretty well from my experience
[07:40] <melazyboy2> randabis-laptop: apt-get --purge remove xmms, get the plugin, let dpkg satisfy dependency by getting xmms also and then see if it works
[07:40] <randabis-laptop> ok
[07:41] <bitfoo> YO
[07:41] <bitfoo> how do i install older versions of stuff
[07:41] <bitfoo> specifically flex and bison :|
[07:42] <melazyboy2> stick to zsnes, we all have our own preference im going soly on the desc, snes has more interfaces through x, opengl, gnome and gtk -- no to say zsnes doesn't i personally use zsnes on win32, but i also used gaim on win32
[07:42] <Orbo> E: Package zsnes has no installation candidate
[07:42] <Orbo> ??
[07:42] <Orbo> what does this mean?
[07:42] <Orbo> do I have to manually enter a server to get it from?
[07:42] <melazyboy2> orbo when you searched did it show up?
[07:42] <randabis-laptop> do you have universe enabled?
[07:43] <geneo91> prolly not
[07:43] <Orbo> melazyboy2: no,just drops to the next line
[07:44] <melazyboy2> randabis-laptop: geneo91 That is his problem -- but doing it for him won't really help him unless you want to admin his box.
[07:45] <melazyboy2> Orbo: Thats because apt will check your sources in /etc/apt/sources.list, and you are using the default which is Warty -- warty ensures that all software is time tested and secure, zsnes for some reason either didn't pass that or it has proprietary or non-free code in which case it would be in the 'multiverse'
[07:45] <geneo91> well he needs to read for 5 hours then
[07:45] <melazyboy2> so what you need to do is as root, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, and at the end add universe multiverse
[07:46] <melazyboy2> so you should have 'deb <url> warty main restricted universe multiverse'
[07:47] <geneo91> why not just add it in synaotic
[07:47] <geneo91> damn o in the way of p
[07:47] <melazyboy2> geneo91: He could do that, but because i don't use synaptic i figured i would show him that, how much easier could it be than editing one line
[07:47] <newbie> argh
[07:48] <randabis-laptop> heh purge removing xmms and installing the plugin with the xmms dependency didn't fix the problem
[07:48] <geneo91> well if he's new that'll take a while to find
[07:48] <melazyboy2> randabis-laptop: Ekk sorry to hear that, thats my only idea it worked once with a xine problem, you might have to consult the god of google
[07:49] <randabis-laptop> heh nevermind
[07:49] <randabis-laptop> I'm just stupid
[07:49] <randabis-laptop> I was looking for it in the wrong place
[07:49] <randabis-laptop> I was looking in effects plugins, but it's an output plugin
[07:49] <geneo91> well maybe its a fixed value
[07:49] <melazyboy2> geneo91: if he didn't want to learn chances are he would have just pirated a copy of windows =/
[07:49] <Orbo> melazyboy2: root@nyarlathotep:~ # apt-cache search zsnes
[07:49] <Orbo> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/univ erse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty-security_u niverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:49] <Orbo> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/mult iverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty-security _multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:49] <Orbo> root@nyarlathotep:~ #
[07:50] <bitfoo> dudes
[07:50] <geneo91> hehe
[07:50] <bitfoo> how do i install older versions of software
[07:50] <melazyboy2> well tahts fun
[07:50] <bitfoo> like flex and bison :|
[07:50] <melazyboy2> Orbo: issue 'apt-get update'
[07:50] <geneo91> anyone that uses linux i will help just to piss off gates
[07:50] <Orbo> melazyboy2
[07:50] <randabis-laptop> there's a package called flexold for old flex I think
[07:50] <melazyboy2> bitfoo: Go to their sites find their archive and download a copy
[07:50] <Orbo> k, I updated the source.list before and ran that command
[07:51] <bitfoo> oh so cant do it through apt? :(
[07:51] <Orbo> does that officially add the servers or something?
[07:51] <randabis-laptop> bitfoo there's an old version of flex in the repos
[07:51] <melazyboy2> Orbo: yes editing sources.list adds the servers, apt-get update, makes the computer aware of the change, and syncs your list with that of the server
[07:51] <geneo91> no
[07:51] <Orbo> melazyboy2: great!
[07:51] <Orbo> now I understand
[07:52] <Orbo> thanks
[07:52] <melazyboy2> Orbo: Did it work?
[07:52] <Orbo> let me check
[07:52] <bitfoo> oh man junk that
[07:52] <geneo91> Orbo:  open synaptic and do it the simple way why fight it
[07:52] <bitfoo> i will just run wine and get the win32 binary :|
[07:53] <Orbo> geneo91: because this is more fun ;)
[07:53] <geneo91> bitfoo:  why dont you just use windows then
[07:53] <randabis-laptop> because linux > windows?
[07:54] <bitfoo> why should i have to install a lower version of a program?
[07:54] <Orbo> melazyboy2: no dice
[07:54] <geneo91> Orbo:  did you edit sources file
[07:54] <melazyboy2>  Orbo paste your sources.list into #spam
[07:54] <Orbo> geneo91: yes
[07:54] <Orbo> k
[07:56] <coulix> hi guys is ther a soft which can correspond to this kind of thing : keeping track of what files i burned/saved and allowing me to some small queries in the lists (Date ect) ? or should i keep using my txt file
[07:57] <daryn> Can anyone give me a hand with settign up the pc on a windows network?
[07:57] <geneo91> i think gcombust has an option for that
[07:58] <geneo91> wired or wireless
[07:58] <daryn> wired
[07:58] <daryn> if I go to network settings
[07:59] <daryn> under General there is an option
[07:59] <daryn> "Enable Windows Networking"
[07:59] <geneo91> well if u use dhcp its really simple
[07:59] <coulix> i just installed gcompbust when the gui looks weird like this does it mean its gtk1 ? if so how do i change gtk1 themes ?
[07:59] <daryn> but I get an error that SMB support is not running
[08:00] <randabis-laptop> you need the samba packages daryn
[08:00] <randabis-laptop> you need smbfs, samba, samba-common I think
[08:00] <daryn> where do I get that
[08:00] <randabis-laptop> synaptic, aptitude, apt-get, pick your poison
[08:00] <daryn> I am looking at the CD and found a Samba folder
[08:00] <geneo91> dont matter if its bsd dhcp will give you what you need if you have windows broadcating dhcp
[08:01] <randabis-laptop> you don't need to browse the CD for anything
[08:01] <randabis-laptop> this ain't windows :p
[08:01] <coulix> how to change gtk1 themes ?
[08:01] <geneo91> hehe
[08:01] <daryn> well you will have to forgive me, but I am not very good with Linux and trying to get a feel for it
[08:01] <Orbo> thanks for all the help melazyboy2
[08:02] <geneo91> its best you poke and hope then
[08:02] <randabis-laptop> daryn open synaptic, it will help you immensely with package management
[08:02] <geneo91> its the only way to learn
[08:03] <daryn> randabis-laptop and that is where?
[08:03] <aru> wdoes ubuntu automaticly mount ntfs drives?
[08:03] <melazybo12> randabis-laptop: smbfs will refrence samba and samba-common
[08:03] <geneo91> daryn:  are u geting files from windows
[08:04] <randabis-laptop> meh, I don't remember the gnome 2.8 remember all that well...I think it is under Computer
[08:04] <daryn> nope, wanna copy files from a workstation to this machine
[08:04] <coulix> when is hoary coming out ?
[08:04] <daryn> ahhhh i see that
[08:05] <daryn> ta randabis
[08:05] <randabis-laptop> np
[08:05] <randabis-laptop> hoary is set for April 05
[08:05] <geneo91> are they shared sources
[08:05] <geneo91> may
[08:05] <daryn> ok all i could mark it for was Reinstallation
[08:06] <talibkweli> can anyone help me with dual boot i have FC3 already i want to add Warty also
[08:06] <randabis-laptop> hoary = ubuntu 5.04
[08:06] <Orcrist> anyone here use cedega?  I'm wondering if it has all the regular wine stuff plus extras... I want to run a few other windows apps besides games... can cedega handle those
[08:06] <Orcrist> ?
[08:06] <randabis-laptop> it should be able to run windows apps like wine
[08:06] <Orcrist> that's what I was thinking randabis
[08:06] <Orcrist> but wasn't sure
[08:06] <eyequeue> if 5.04 gets delayed until 5.05, will we therefore see 5.11 rather than 5.10?
[08:07] <coulix> like wine ? do u mean they are developing their own stuff ?
[08:07] <randabis-laptop> no
[08:07] <randabis-laptop> :/
[08:07] <daryn> hmm, ok, I seem to be downloading stuff
[08:07] <aru> hmm
[08:07] <FLeiXiuS> I'm under the expert install menu, and I'm asked for which type of partition I would like to choose.  I'm listed BSD, MSDOS, SUN, and a few others.  I'm not to sure as I am always receiving "Error 16" from grub.  Any ideas?
[08:07] <randabis-laptop> maybe I should have said like wine DOES
[08:08] <froust> Anyone really good with mounting things?
[08:08] <randabis-laptop> uh...you want your partition to be ext3 or reiserfs most likely...other options are jfs and xfs
[08:08] <FLeiXiuS> randabis-laptop, those are file systems, not partition table types..
[08:09] <geneo91> froust:  what do you want to mount
[08:09] <randabis-laptop> right
[08:09] <randabis-laptop> I haven't done an expert install so I dunno
[08:09] <geneo91> hehe
[08:09] <froust> geneo91: when i reboot with my usb flash drive plugged in, an icon shows up on my desktop and in my computer (same level as floppy, cdrom, filesystem, network in nautilus)
[08:10] <froust> hwo can i make it reappear when i just plug it in and mount it?
[08:10] <Orcrist> coulix, cedega is patched up wine that handles directx much nicer so you can play 3D games
[08:10] <daryn> randabis: i reinstalled that smbclient but no avail
[08:10] <randabis-laptop> I said smbfs not smbclient
[08:10] <Orcrist> froust, try #taxidermy
[08:10] <Orcrist> lol
[08:11] <daryn> sorry
[08:11] <froust> bah.
[08:11] <daryn> ok, doing that now
[08:11] <geneo91> oh maybe hotplugs not working
[08:11] <froust> how can i find out if they are?
[08:12] <Orcrist> try something else usb froust... like a gamepad
[08:12] <geneo91> well i know for fact mine aint
[08:12] <Orcrist> hotplug is a hair sketchy on my warty install as well
[08:13] <froust> i'm in hoary
[08:13] <Orcrist> my USB mouse sometimes doesn't work on boot
[08:13] <srid> is anyone using 'stardict' here?
[08:13] <geneo91> scanner or cam
[08:13] <FLeiXiuS> Any answers with partition table types?
[08:13] <srid> Is anyone using 'stardict' here? - should I install the 'wordnet' package to get the dictionary?
[08:13] <Orcrist> FLeiX, what are you trying to do?
[08:13] <geneo91> mine refuses to load and the scsi drivers as well
[08:13] <randabis-laptop> he's trying to do an expert install
[08:14] <Orcrist> I've done an expert install a few times
[08:14] <FLeiXiuS> randabis-laptop, it's the same with every install..
[08:14] <Orcrist> loads of fun! not
[08:14] <Orcrist> kind of like installing debian ;)
[08:14] <randabis-laptop> I never had that
[08:14] <daryn> loaded smbfs, it still gives em tha same error
[08:14] <FLeiXiuS> Orcrist, I've selected a whole hard drive to format, and it's asking me for the partition table type.
[08:14] <randabis-laptop> the partition types thing...never had that on the 3 installs I've done
[08:14] <Orcrist> it should just have a generic 'linux' option
[08:15] <Orcrist> after which you can choose from ext2, reiser, whatever flavor fs you want
[08:15] <geneo91> FLeiXiuS:  yeah use lilo instead of grub then it wont matter
[08:15] <randabis-laptop> and I do manual partitioning on every install
[08:15] <FLeiXiuS> Orcrist, As I thought, but it's showing, SUN, MARCO, MSDOS, PPC and a few more..
[08:15] <_4strO> hi all
[08:15] <geneo91> dos silly
[08:15] <randabis-laptop> maybe you downloaded the wrong iso?
[08:16] <FLeiXiuS> randabis-laptop, Absolutely absurd..
[08:16] <Orcrist> hmmm
[08:16] <Orcrist> odd
[08:16] <randabis-laptop> hey it happens
[08:16] <geneo91> yeah maybe its longhorn
[08:16] <FLeiXiuS> This all begam when I started to diagnos the Error 16 for the first time..
[08:16] <randabis-laptop> lol
[08:16] <Orcrist> fleix are you any good with fdisk?
[08:17] <FLeiXiuS> Orcrist, too good..
[08:17] <FLeiXiuS> ;-)
[08:17] <Orcrist> lol
[08:17] <Orcrist> maybe if you went to a tty and then just fdisked it?
[08:17] <Orcrist> I can't remember how much stuff is loaded on the installer... if fdisk is available
[08:18] <FLeiXiuS> Fdisk wasn't available, I'm about to load up my knoppix std and just go about installing through there.
[08:18] <Orcrist> hmmm
[08:18] <Orcrist> odd
[08:18] <FLeiXiuS> But I don't see how it's not letting me select Unpartitioned Space
[08:18] <Orcrist> I've done the expert install and don't remember seeing those options
[08:18] <Orcrist> is this warty or hoary?
[08:18] <FLeiXiuS> Warty
[08:18] <Orcrist> odder still
[08:19] <geneo91> FLeiXiuS:  delete it first
[08:19] <FLeiXiuS> Orcrist, your telling me, never had to approach this option..
[08:19] <randabis-laptop> yeah I've done installs with both the warty and hoary array 3 cds and never had those options
[08:19] <Orcrist> neither have I
[08:19] <FLeiXiuS> geneo91, define 'it'
[08:19] <Orcrist> did you pass any parameters at boot time other than expert?
[08:19] <FLeiXiuS> Orcrist, nope
[08:19] <Orcrist> weird
[08:20] <geneo91> delete the partition
[08:20] <FLeiXiuS> Still diagnosing...Partition Table Types are how the partition is read on the IDE channels.  Why there is no linux option available.  I don't know!
[08:20] <FLeiXiuS> geneo91, It's all unformatted space.
[08:20] <randabis-laptop> bad burn?
[08:20] <randabis-laptop> dunno
[08:20] <FLeiXiuS> randabis-laptop, this is out of the CD ;-)
[08:20] <geneo91> why do you want expert if you dont know what your doing
[08:21] <randabis-laptop> :/
[08:21] <FLeiXiuS> geneo91, Oh I know plenty of what I'm doing..
[08:21] <FLeiXiuS> It has done it in the regular install also, it's not the "expert" tag which its given
[08:21] <randabis-laptop> he seems to know what he's doing...he's just trying to sort out a weird problem
[08:22] <geneo91> well maybe its a hardware problem
[08:23] <FLeiXiuS> geneo91, possibly, which is why I have chose to install to a seperate hard drive, still given the same error.
[08:23] <daryn> randabis-laptop, thanks for the help, i just had t install the Samba package, it was not loaded on installation
[08:23] <gamecat> back, writing this from ubuntu on wireless.
[08:23] <FLeiXiuS> geneo91, and the same selection scheme.
[08:23] <randabis-laptop> there ya go
[08:23] <gamecat> whoever suggested iwlist ath0 scan, that was the info I needed.
[08:23] <daryn> laderz
[08:24] <gamecat> gave me the last 2 bits of info to fill in in iwconfig, after which I hit dhclient ath0 and was good to go.
[08:24] <randabis-laptop> daryn grabbing things from a windows machine shouldn't be too hard, but if you want to share files with the windows machine it's going to take some editing of smb.conf
[08:24] <randabis-laptop> crap he left
[08:24] <randabis-laptop> oh well
[08:24] <Orcrist> even stranger flex is that it's an entire hard drive
[08:24] <gamecat> the GUI network tool consistently bungs my settings, though.
[08:24] <Orcrist> I could see if it were a logical partition of some sort
[08:24] <Orcrist> I really have no idea
[08:24] <randabis-laptop> gamecat that's great! except the gui tool problem
[08:24] <gamecat> yeah, totally.
[08:25] <FLeiXiuS> Orcrist, Go through the install process, when selected upon partitioning..select the whole partition and press enter.  You'll see where I am at.  It's not giving me options to select Unpartitioned Space.
[08:25] <gamecat> so randabis, do you know how to get things to happen automatically when I log on?
[08:25] <geneo91> maybe its compressed or somesilly aix crap
[08:25] <gamecat> I'm assuming my iwconfig things for the network will be persistent unless I fire up the gui tool...
[08:26] <gamecat> ... but I'm not sure what to think about this dhclient ath0 thing.
[08:26] <randabis-laptop> gamecat well, generally if the info is in the config file, it should be good at bootup
[08:26] <gamecat> Okay. Which config file, and what form do I use to add it?
[08:26] <randabis-laptop> if it turns out you don't like madwifi, I believe ndiswrapper also works for that wifi card
[08:26] <gamecat> hmm, that wasn't the world's best wording.
[08:26] <randabis-laptop> I think it's in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:26] <randabis-laptop> not sure
[08:27] <gamecat> (oh man, ndiswrapper = nightmares. we'll stick w/ this, thanks.)
[08:27] <FLeiXiuS> Orcrist, Thanks for the attempt, I'll call up Daniels the dev for Ubuntu tomorrow.  Talk to you guys later.
[08:27] <gamecat> Okay, I actually edited that a bit. what in particular should I chuck in to make it dhcp me automatically?
[08:27] <gamecat> and is there anything that should be in there to make sure my current iwconfig sticks with?
[08:27] <Orcrist> good luck fleix
[08:27] <geneo91> ifconfig
[08:28] <randabis-laptop> I really don't know
[08:28] <gamecat> meh, the syntax is probably scattered over two or three man files. I'll find it later, I suppose.
[08:28] <gamecat> AT ANY RATE. Thanks for all the help!
[08:28] <Xenguy> ww
[08:30] <randabis-laptop> here's an idea...don't reboot...hehe
[08:30] <geneo91> wish someone could help me with mtr
[08:31] <randabis-laptop> mtr?
[08:31] <geneo91> i think so
[08:31] <randabis-laptop> which is?
[08:32] <geneo91> for a dial up connection
[08:32] <randabis-laptop> ah
[08:33] <randabis-laptop> broadband here
[08:33] <geneo91> i can set mtu fine
[08:34] <geneo91> but it complains about lots of things when i try to set mtr
[08:34] <geneo91> the recieving side
[08:35] <randabis-laptop> hmm
[08:35] <geneo91> maybe it mru
[08:36] <geneo91> i screwed with it for a whole day yesterday trying to get the most out of this 28800
[08:38] <randabis-laptop> heh
[08:40] <swim> hay has anyone used any other mail client than evolution (and thunderbird) like balsa, or aeromail or something?
[08:41] <geneo91> i dont know if i could set it with at commands or not
[08:42] <jmob> swim: I've used kmail, sylpheed-(claws), pine, webmail clients, and mutt.
[08:44] <swim> jmob, how was sylpheed?
[08:45] <jmob> swim: it sucked
[08:45] <swim> :) k
[08:46] <jmob> swim: least, the last time I tried it, it's seemed similar to thunderbird, just less pretty, and even less responsive.
[08:46] <swim> yeh so far i think i like kmail best though not even that much, found fastmail.com to be as useful as a client at all
[08:47] <subterrific> i had kmail delete all of my email
[08:47] <subterrific> that was fun
[08:47] <jmob> subterrific: did you back up your email!
[08:47] <swim> hrmm I bet
[08:47] <jmob> s/!/?/
[08:47] <subterrific> jmob: yeah, i had a back up, but lots of other people weren't so lucky
[08:48] <jmob> subterrific: So it was a bug that a lot of other users experienced?
[08:48] <subterrific> jmob: the bugzilla entry for that bug had some huge back lash
[08:48] <subterrific> yes
[08:48] <jmob> oh, heh
[08:48] <jmob> that is a pretty violent bug
[08:48] <jmob> could imagine some people lives being ruined because of kmail
[08:49] <geneo91> ahh its only spammers you hurt
[08:54] <Pluk> morning all
[08:56] <zuurcool> morning Pluk and the rest
[08:57] <king_arthur> Pluk: hi there
[08:57] <king_arthur> actually, ji everybody
[08:57] <king_arthur> some assistance is needed here to configure virtual interface
[08:57] <king_arthur> ifconfig wlan0:0 doesn't work any idea why not?
[08:57] <king_arthur> is it the WiFi interface
[08:58] <subterrific> evolution just broke on hoary amd64?
[09:00] <king_arthur> well, not very much happening here...
[09:00] <king_arthur> 295 users all sleeping?
[09:00] <quarupted> Im not
[09:00] <lyy> i got 2 linux boxes. what's a vnc tool that lets me go from one linux box to another?
[09:01] <king_arthur> quarupted: hi there :)
[09:01] <quarupted> Im taking over the middle east with tin babbies
[09:01] <pvh> Can anyone recommend a commandline tool for POSTing a file to a webdav server?
[09:01] <bur[n] er> lyy: xtightvncviewer and vino
[09:01] <bur[n] er> lyy: or tsclient
[09:01] <pvh> I'm trying to find a workaround for the fact that Evolution won't publish my calendar.
[09:01] <lyy> bur[n] er: which of those three is the most versital one?
[09:02] <bur[n] er> vino == server... tsclient is prolly the most guified and feature full vnc client
[09:02] <king_arthur> some of you guys listening using virtual interface mode on a NIC?
[09:02] <K-Rich> woot! just got my TV out working :)
[09:02] <bur[n] er> there are a ton more vnc apps, but the ones i said are default warty installed apps
[09:02] <lyy> bur[n] er: ok. so what i'll do is install vino on my fedora and then use tscleint to get on fedora from ubuntu
[09:03] <K-Rich> watching Rocky Horror Picture Show on my TV attached to my box (it's a DivX)
[09:03] <quarupted> I just upgraded my IPV4
[09:03] <bur[n] er> oh... you wanna get onto a fedora box?  what's the WM of the fedora?
[09:03] <king_arthur> quarupted: is that one for me?
[09:03] <quarupted> Java 2
[09:03] <quarupted> Java Desktop
[09:04] <quarupted> EVACUATE THE SOUTH PACIFIC!
[09:04] <swim> whats a good native gnome p2p app?
[09:05] <quarupted> THERES A WAVE COMING!
[09:05] <Orcrist> swim, limewire has always served me well... it works nicely with gnome
[09:05] <coulix> ?
[09:05] <pvh> quarupted: Are you serious?
[09:05] <swim> you think thats funny?
[09:05] <coulix> r u stupid or what
[09:05] <coulix> i m leavin in south pacific
[09:05] <lyy> bur[n] er: wm? i got both kde and gnome on it
[09:05] <coulix> *living
[09:05] <swim> k thx Orcrist
[09:05] <quarupted> Im just pasting the logs from irc.tai.org #CHAT
[09:06] <bur[n] er> lyy: which one you use? ;)  and are you hoping to vnc to a currently displayed desktop?  or just a virtual display?
[09:06] <bur[n] er> there's a lot that goes into it lyy
[09:07] <quarupted> HURRY
[09:07] <jamesm> Hi! I don't mean to interrupt anything, but I'm having some trouble getting an iPod (or any Firewire device) to mount on Warty -- on a VAIO notebook. I was wondering if anyone had any experience with getting ipods to work in Ubuntu?
[09:07] <daniels> quarupted: not here, thanks
[09:07] <lyy> jamesm: your best chance is to use codeweavers
[09:08] <jamesm> I suspect that Ubuntu just isn't recognizing my firewire port at all, but I'm not certain.
[09:08] <quarupted> Are you Kuaity?
[09:09] <quarupted> TELL ME
[09:10] <jamesm> I bet that must have felt good.
[09:11] <jamesm> And... on the topic of Codeweavers, I'm not sure Windows compatibility is what I need. I think? As far as I know, it's generally not difficult to mount an iPod in Ubuntu. I've heard stories of people who just plugged it in and had it automount without them actually doing anything.
[09:17] <HrdwrBoB> jamesm: I have only used USB with ipod
[09:17] <HrdwrBoB> but that works perfectly
[09:17] <null> any one know where i can get ubuntu devel iso ?
[09:18] <lyy> how to query all the packages on ubuntu?
[09:18] <jdub> null: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[09:18] <jdub> jamesm: not hard to mount, but you need to use the special indexing foo for it to grok what you're putting on -> use gtkipod
[09:19] <null> any one moved from mdk to ubuntu ? any pointers ?
[09:19] <HrdwrBoB> gtkpod
[09:20] <HrdwrBoB> but yeah
[09:20] <jdub> ahr
[09:20] <jdub> thank you HrdwrBoB
[09:20] <geneo91> have fun
[09:20] <jdub> but man
[09:20] <HrdwrBoB> np, I have an excellent test case for these things: my fiance :)
[09:20] <jdub> those ipod shuffles are pretty tempting
[09:20] <HrdwrBoB> she's not a computer person
[09:20] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: didn't you say you were getting married on the 25th or so?
[09:20] <HrdwrBoB> 30th of april, yeah
[09:21] <jamesm> I've got gtkpod installed.
[09:21] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: i'm on the 17th ;)
[09:21] <jamesm> It just doesn't seem to mount when I plug it in.
[09:21] <HrdwrBoB> woo :)
[09:21] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: where are you doing the deed?
[09:21] <HrdwrBoB> jdub: st kilda foreshore, follow by reception in the 'royce' hotel
[09:21] <jdub> nice
[09:21] <jdub> niiice
[09:21] <HrdwrBoB> jamesm: are you talkign about the gtkpod automount?
[09:22] <HrdwrBoB> jdub: is everything organised for yours? damn there's a lot of stuff to do
[09:22] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: kinda. sorta. not really. yeah. ;)
[09:22] <null> any one know what are the contents of the weekly dvd ? on cdimage.ubuntu.com ?
[09:22] <HrdwrBoB> ahaah :)
[09:23] <HrdwrBoB> yeah same here
[09:23] <jamesm> No, mounting at all.
[09:23] <jdub> null: all of main
[09:23] <jamesm> I can't seem to get it to mount at all, gtkpod or otherwise.
[09:23] <HrdwrBoB> jamesm: ah ok
[09:23] <HrdwrBoB> jamesm: check the messages in dmesg to see if it's detected
[09:23] <jdub> jamesm: usb or firewire? running warty?
[09:24] <jamesm> Firewire, Warty.
[09:24] <null> jdub: main inclueds al devel files ? cos iam soo scrwed with mdk not having devel files in default cd's
[09:25] <HrdwrBoB> jdub: the ipod shuffle has less features and more cost and no redeeming UI features that make it better than a random flash ,payer off ebay, it's not a patch on a real ipod </end rant>
[09:25] <jdub> jamesm: warty didn't do firewire automounting
[09:25] <jdub> null: but of course
[09:25] <jdub> null: we don't include much on the CD though
[09:25] <jdub> null: but the DVD has ALL of main. aaaaallll. :)
[09:26] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: i gotta admit, i love the idea ;)
[09:26] <jamesm> This is all I got --
[09:26] <jamesm> ieee1394: Node changed: 0-01:1023 -> 0-00:1023
[09:26] <jamesm> ieee1394: Node changed: 0-00:1023 -> 0-01:1023
[09:26] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: they're pretty cheap for 1GB solid state
[09:26] <null> pheu, jdub i am gonna download da dvd iso, and give it a try for my main os
[09:27] <null> jdub: does those weekly dvd include gnome 2.9x ?
[09:27] <jdub> null: hrm, dunno if that's wroth it
[09:27] <jdub> null: probably better to pull a CD and install the -dev stuff from the net
[09:27] <jdub> yes, they do
[09:27] <jdub> our devel branch tracks gnome devel branch
[09:28] <null> jdub dats da peroblem, with mdk as well, i dont have good enuff connection at home now, to grab from home all the devel files
[09:28] <jdub> null: oh, i see
[09:28] <null> devel brances ?jdub i presume it included in weekly dvd ?
[09:28] <jdub> null: well, if you have a phat connection elsewhere, suck down the dvd by all means :)
[09:29] <jdub> the weekly dvd is of hoary, yeah
[09:29] <null> imm gonna try my frind to get it now, any mirrors of those dvds ?
[09:29] <jdub> if you rsync the dvd each week, you can do upgrades from it at home :-)
[09:29] <jdub> don't think so, no
[09:30] <null> hmm dunno what speed i will be able to get it downloaded grrr..
[09:33] <spiral> hi
[09:33] <null> hmm jdub 3 hrs to get da dvd
[09:33] <jdub> null: cool ;)
[09:34] <null> jdub: any pointers ? i hear its debian based whats the basic commands n things need to know about ubuntu ?
[09:34] <lyy> i'm looking for a vnc server that will work with tsclient..anyone know?
[09:34] <jdub> null: lots of info on the wiki and in ubuntuguide
[09:34] <jdub> lyy: vino for exporting your running display
[09:35] <lyy> jdub: thanks
[09:35] <jdub> lyy: vncserver for exporting a virtual x server display
[09:35] <lyy> jdub: sounds like vino is the way to go
[09:37] <null> me getting exited on ubuntu now :-)
[09:38] <null> hey jdub where i have a list of horay-install-i386 list, where do i find the devel files in it ?
[09:39] <jdub> hrm, don't think we have a file listing
[09:39] <null> ohh jdub n where is kde for ubunti ?
[09:39] <jdub> kde is not in main
[09:39] <null> well there seems to be http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/weekly-dvd/current/hoary-install-i386.list
[09:39] <jdub> it's unsupported, lives in universe
[09:39] <jdub> well, there you go :)
[09:39] <null> hmm where do i get dat ?
[09:40] <jdub> you have to install it after installing ubuntu
[09:40] <null> well cant i just get all da deb and burn on cd and take home to instyall ?
[09:41] <spiral> null: the dvd you mentioned may be a good solution, if you've got a dvd burner
[09:42] <null> well my friend does hopefully it works
[09:42] <null> da dvd list of files dont seem to have kde
[09:42] <spiral> null: ah sorry... then you maybe could download all the .debs that you need for kde & dpkg -i them
[09:43] <null> spiral:  where do i get all those debs for kde ?
[09:43] <null> jdub: said somewhere in universe ? but i dont have a clue
[09:44] <sn0wman> join #cyberia
[09:44] <sn0wman> shit
[09:44] <spiral> null: ubuntu ftp archives for universe ?
[09:45] <null> whats dat universe ? i dont have a clue mate
[09:46] <spiral> null: are you under hoary or warty ?
[09:46] <HrdwrBoB> null: universe is the repository that has all the 'unsupported' extra software
[09:47] <null> well i an not under any thing now,
[09:48] <null> i am getting the dvd iso for hoary
[09:48] <null> how do i get dat repository HrdwrBoB ?
[09:48] <spiral> null: if you're connected, you just have to edit your sources.list
[09:49] <spiral> I'm booting back
[09:49] <spiral> see you soon
[09:49] <spiral> ++
[09:49] <null> spiral: well connection at home is shit,
[09:49] <null> ahh
[09:50] <Deviad> Hello guys
[09:50] <Deviad> Which Debian version is ubuntu based on?
[09:51] <lyy> sweet
[09:51] <lyy> i got vnc working
[09:51] <lyy> so i'm doing qt development on my fedora box and watching tv on ubuntu
[09:52] <Deviad> ^^
[09:52] <adpenaranda> Deviad, I think it's based on unstable (someone correct me if I'm wrong)
[09:52] <null> lyy: i want to do qt/kde devel on ubuntu, possible ?
[09:52] <Deviad> ok, so why should I install ubuntu instead of installing sid?
[09:52] <Deviad> ^^
[09:52] <Deviad> I'm getting it right now to see what so different is.
[09:53] <lyy> null: sure why not?
[09:53] <Deviad> I heard about this distro from a friend... personally I was deciding to waste my time with a long gentoo compilation or installing ubuntu...
[09:53] <adpenaranda> Deviad, I've just tried Ubuntu and well, the installation is much easier (I actually did a cross-install to have Debian working)
[09:53] <lyy> null: just install qt and qt-devel
[09:53] <null> lyy: i need to compile kde cos ill need all those devel packages for it to compile
[09:53] <adpenaranda> Deviad, ubuntu installation wont take too long
[09:54] <HrdwrBoB> Deviad: I used to use debian, now I use ubuntu
[09:54] <HrdwrBoB> Deviad: ubuntu Just Works a lot more
[09:54] <null> ohh yeah lyy where are the kde debs for ubunto, some one said universe ? but wherre ?
[09:54] <Deviad> Well, I tryed everything from Slackware to Morphix ^^
[09:54] <lyy> null: i've yet to install qt on ubuntu myself. i think someone alerady compiled them for us. we just gotta find it
[09:54] <Deviad> I tryed gentoo too but it sucks to compile everything everytime
[09:54] <Deviad> ^^
[09:54] <HrdwrBoB> lyy: if you look at /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:55] <null> i dont have ubuntu now, so i cant apt, i need to grab all those debs and install when i get hoem
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> or you go to settings -> repositories
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> in synaptic
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> you can add universe
[09:55] <lyy> HrdwrBoB: i just check with dpkg -la | grep -i qt and i see that qt's installed :)
[09:55] <adpenaranda> Deviad, I used to be a slackware user but when I finally had a change to try debian..
[09:55] <adpenaranda> I just got hooked. :)
[09:55] <Deviad> adpenaranda, I just don't like the dependency check
[09:55] <Deviad> of debian
[09:56] <Deviad> if I want to have 4 different version of a library
[09:56] <Deviad> why shouldn't I?
[09:56] <adpenaranda> Deviad, I see. I haven't encountered that problem yet. :)
[09:56] <Deviad> I mean sometimes there are programs that need the older version of a library or the newer one
[09:57] <K-Rich> ugh
[09:57] <Deviad> and u have on your system the former or the latter
[09:57] <K-Rich> anyone know alot about mplayer?
[09:57] <Deviad> and if you install the one the program need you will need to delete all the programs that use the library you already own
[09:57] <Deviad> and it sux so much
[09:57] <Deviad> ^^
[09:57] <Deviad> That's why I like slackware a lot more
[09:58] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[09:58] <HrdwrBoB> but then you end up with 15 copies of a library on your system
[09:58] <HrdwrBoB> and a completely unmanageable mess
[09:58] <Deviad> yes, but I need a program I install it
[09:58] <Deviad> when I want ^^
[09:58] <Deviad> I don't have to look for the unofficial repository of the program xyz
[09:58] <Deviad> updated with the library x.y.z
[09:59] <Deviad> to the library*
[09:59] <pvh> Why doesn't Audio Preview work in Nautilus?
[09:59] <adpenaranda> won't apt-build work in this case?
[10:01] <null> is there a way without having ubuntu donwload all the packages od universe ??
[10:02] <king_arthur> anybody here familiar with virtual interfaces?
[10:02] <HrdwrBoB> king_arthur: what is the problem you're having?
[10:02] <king_arthur> I am typing ifconfig eth0:0 but doesn't seem to work
[10:02] <geneo91> put them on a cd then add the source to apt
[10:02] <HrdwrBoB> king_arthur: how is it 'not working'
[10:03] <king_arthur> HrdwrBoB: doesn't show up in ifconfig list
[10:03] <HrdwrBoB> it only shows up if it's configured and up
[10:04] <king_arthur> HrdwrBoB: right so ifconfig eth0:0 is not enough
[10:04] <HrdwrBoB> no
[10:04] <HrdwrBoB> ifconfig eth0:0 x.x.x.x
[10:04] <HrdwrBoB> then run 'ifconfig'
[10:04] <HrdwrBoB> and it will display
[10:05] <king_arthur> HrdwrBoB: right and how about dhcp configuration than?
[10:05] <king_arthur> HrdwrBoB: and no need for ifup?
[10:06] <HrdwrBoB> as long as eth0 is up
[10:06] <HrdwrBoB> eth0:0 is
[10:07] <MrTrick> hello...
[10:08] <MrTrick> odd, how can a channel have 0 ops?
[10:09] <x_or> Anyone know what the supported hardware configurations for PPC are?  I have a lombard g3 mac laptop; will this work?
[10:09] <gen> x_or, specs?
[10:09] <nevyn> MrTrick: easilly.
[10:10] <x_or> gen: 192 MB of RAM, 400 Mhz processor, I believe.
[10:10] <gen> x_or, will be fine
[10:10] <x_or> Cool.
[10:10] <gen> just reccomend not using gnome on it
[10:10] <x_or> Yellow Dog ain't working for me....
[10:11] <x_or> OK, which window manager do you recommend?  I usually use KDE, which I assume would be just as bad.
[10:11] <gen> x_or, xfce..
[10:11] <pybe> x_or: xfce4.2 is really nice
[10:11] <jdub> x_or: 192 will be fine for gnome or kde
[10:12] <jdub> x_or: as long as a lombard is newworld, ubuntu should be fine
[10:12] <pybe> i have 256 on my laptop and gnome can get a bit hungry sometimes so i find xfce4 performace better
[10:12] <K-Rich> where would i find SDL config files ?
[10:13] <scylax> hi
[10:13] <gen> hello
[10:13] <scylax> i have a problem with ubuntu hoary array 3
[10:13] <x_or> jdub:  It has USB, so I assume this means newworld?
[10:13] <scylax> it tries to fry my monitor (high pitched sound, no display)
[10:14] <pybe> scylax: try a different refresh rate
[10:14] <lyy> what does the word "grok" mean?
[10:15] <scylax> XF86Config-4 ?
[10:15] <pybe> scylax: yep
[10:15] <scylax> thanks pybe, do you know any site that will list refresh rates for known monitors?
[10:16] <pybe> scylax: you rmanufacturer
[10:16] <zuurcool> scylax: http://www.monitorworld.com
[10:16] <pybe> lyy: grok = To understand, usually in a global sense.
[10:16] <scylax> ahh great thanx zuur
[10:16] <pybe> lyy: intimate and exhaustive knowledge.
[10:17] <lyy> pybe: crap. i dont' grok linux then
[10:17] <scylax> another issue is i get i/o errors when trying to use my external usb ntfs drive
[10:18] <scylax> ubuntu won't even mount it, slackware does but can't copy more than a few MB before stopping with i/o error
[10:18] <lyy> pybe: there's too much to know to truly grok linux
[10:18] <pybe> lyy: =)
[10:18] <pybe> lyy: I dont think you ever fully learn linux.... Its a constant education
[10:18] <lyy> pybe: however, i know enoughto figure things out
[10:19] <pybe> lyy: which can be dangerous sometimes =)
[10:21] <pvh> lyy: Nobody really groks anything, do they?
[10:21] <pybe> scylax: apt-cache search ^ntfs
[10:23] <pybe> scylax: and maybe libntfs*
[10:24] <MrTrick> Will anyone here confess to knowing their smb.conf well?
[10:25] <Sav> Hi, all my panels and shortcut dissapeared, any ideas what to do?
[10:25] <pybe> Sav: get a hammer and whack your monitor twice
[10:26] <Sav> pybe, you got any other suggestion? i had my panels n shit yesterday, after a reboot theyr just gone.
[10:28] <pybe> Sav: any updates yesterday>
[10:29] <Ng> Sav: try tunning "gnome-panel" in a terminal?
[10:30] <Sav> Ng, command not found
[10:30] <Sav> pybe, nope
[10:30] <Sav> i booted with the option "keep settings"
[10:31] <Ng> Sav: you might want to check you actually have gnome-panel installed ;)
[10:31] <Adrenal> scotty doesn't know, that fiona and me, do it in my van, on sundays
[10:31] <insanekane> hi ... how do i install a font in my ~/.fonts directory ?
[10:31] <Ng> insanekane: just put it in there :)
[10:33] <Adrenal> linux is a very simple os. Thing is, it takes a genious to understand the simplicity
[10:33] <Sav> Ng, lol, how can a package dissaper? case i was not installed =)
[10:33] <insanekane> Ng, oh yeah ... i didnt mention that i had to create a .fonts directory ... and ubuntu doesnt ship with ttmkfdir ... so i was kinda hoping that there was some method to install a fant without ttmkfdir ... or did ubuntu developers believe that noone would want to install a font after installing the system ??
[10:33] <jdub> insanekane: just put fonts in ~/.fonts/
[10:33] <jdub> insanekane: that's all you have to do
[10:34] <SteveA> can i expect to still see the gnome startup futex race hang from time to time?
[10:34] <Ng> insanekane: you don't need ttmkfdir anymore, fontconfig does it automatically
[10:34] <SteveA> (in hoary)
[10:34] <insanekane> jdub, ok let me see
[10:37] <Sav> now i got the panel =)
[10:39] <insanekane> Ng, jdub, no it doesnt work :(
[10:39] <jdub> it does :)
[10:40] <insanekane> jdub, not here
[10:40] <jdub> insanekane: run fc-list
[10:40] <insanekane> jdub, i created ~/.fonts ... copied my ttf font into it .. ran fc-cache
[10:40] <jdub> insanekane: then restart whatever you're trying to find the font in
[10:40] <Sav> ng, now i got some errors om the panel cause i hade system monitors in it, doed that come with a package?
[10:40] <jdub> not fc-cache
[10:40] <jdub> fc-list
[10:41] <insanekane> jdub, ok ... was trying in nautilus fonts:///
[10:41] <insanekane> jdub, how do i refresh gnome to find my font ?
[10:41] <insanekane> jdub, fc-list finds it ok ... but gnome doesnt :(
[10:42] <Ng> Sav: probably gnome-applets or hardware-monitor
[10:42] <jdub> insanekane: fonts:/// may not, but everything else will
[10:43] <insanekane> jdub, ok ... let me check something else
[10:44] <null> yo jdub do u know if the cdimage server supports resume ?
[10:44] <jdub> most likely
[10:44] <jdub> you can also use rsync
[10:45] <null> cos i need to cancel the dvd downlod for a moment, will download the rest soon, hopefully the resume works
[10:48] <Sav> ng, thnx. now im up n runnig as before =)
[10:52] <null> hey jdub  and other thanks much for the help man
[10:52] <null> will c u guys soon
[10:54] <coulix> hi guys i mtrying to mount a ftp folder with gnome to edit internet files, its mounting it (nautilus) but when i edit its ro any one found a way ? gnome-vfs is installed but gnomvfs-mount do not exist :/
[10:55] <laptop> I hope this is the right place to ask: I am looking for the name of a new laptop that installs ubuntu flawlessly. I don't care about the weight, but I want it to be fast enough for numerical simulations. Where shoulde I look for further info?
[10:56] <coulix> i saw a topic with the list of laptops and their compability with ubuntu
[10:56] <coulix> try google laptop ubuntu
[10:57] <MrTrick> argh, smb newbie here, can't get this computer to appear on the network...
[10:59] <MrTrick> can anyone confess to smb.conf knowledge?
[11:00] <coulix> can try to help , swat is working ? http://127.0.0.1:901 i think
[11:00] <gen> MrTrick, you didn't read the wiki did you
[11:01] <coulix> yeah read the wiki first =))
[11:02] <MrTrick> I read the wiki
[11:02] <MrTrick> Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
[11:02] <MrTrick> I'm also reading this: http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch06.html
[11:03] <MrTrick> suspecting I may have messed something up, I backed up my smb.conf file, and started over. All that it contains now is this:
[11:03] <MrTrick> [global] 
[11:03] <MrTrick>     #  Server configuration parameters
[11:03] <MrTrick>     netbios name = MrTrick
[11:03] <MrTrick>     server string = Samba %v on %L
[11:03] <MrTrick>     workgroup = Asylum
[11:03] <MrTrick>     encrypt passwords = yes
[11:06] <gen> MrTrick, did you set a smbpassword
[11:06] <MrTrick> gen, no...
[11:06] <gen> it's all in the wiki
[11:06] <MrTrick> which one? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong page?
[11:07] <MrTrick> haven't shared anything yet, just trying to 'see' the server.
[11:07] <gen> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba/view?searchterm=samba
[11:08] <MrTrick> will look
[11:08] <gen> follow it exactly
[11:11] <MrTrick> heh, yes sir. :-)
[11:11] <gen> get it?
[11:12] <MrTrick> I'm going through it...
[11:12] <gen> it'll work :)
[11:13] <MrTrick> I'm doubtful...
[11:13] <gen> It will
[11:13] <MrTrick> the info that appears when browsing the 'Network' from the 'Computer' button at the top, is it cached?
[11:14] <gen> no
[11:14] <MrTrick> okay.
[11:14] <gen> sharing with a win computer?
[11:14] <MrTrick> yes. Two computers on the network, and a plastic nat.
[11:14] <gen> k
[11:15] <pybe> MrTrick: whats the plastic mat for?
[11:15] <gen> to protect those h4x0rz
[11:15] <gen> of course
[11:16] <pybe> incase they wet them selves?
[11:16] <gen> something like that
[11:16] <pybe> heh
[11:16] <MrTrick> pybe, plastic NAT box. J/k or serious question?
[11:18] <gen> I just got through watching the neverending story, what a childhood flashback
[11:18] <MrTrick> gen: heh. I still remember the soundtrack to that.
[11:18] <gen> MrTrick, it is a great soundtrack
[11:20] <Deviad> http://davixtreme.altervista.org clickate sui 2 banner, thx!
[11:20] <gen> don't spam here..
[11:22] <MrTrick> oo er..
[11:22] <MrTrick> "/etc/init.d/samba restart" -> samba stops.
[11:22] <MrTrick> samba doesn't start again.
[11:22] <MrTrick> ( [fail]  )
[11:23] <MrTrick> maybe there's a syntax error...
[11:23] <gen> try stopping it, then starting
[11:24] <gen> (instead of restart)
[11:25] <MrTrick> nope, it fails.
[11:25] <MrTrick> I ran testparm on smb.conf, doesn't find any problems.
[11:25] <gen> odd
[11:25] <gen> when you try to stop it, does it say already stopped?
[11:25] <MrTrick> gen, no it doesn't.
[11:26] <MrTrick> what I can't understand is why there is a workgroup 'mshome' appearing in my network folder.
[11:26] <MrTrick> It can't be opened, but the other computer is definitely not responsible for it.
[11:27] <HauntedUnix> DRI - any FAQs on how to enable it on an SiS video card with no linux drivers? :-)
[11:27] <nevyn> ummm..
[11:28] <nevyn> it canna' be done ...
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[11:28] <HauntedUnix> Ah well
[11:28] <HauntedUnix> The only drivers are for redhat 7.2
[11:28] <gen> MrTrick, sure you followed it exactly?
[11:29] <HauntedUnix> Thanks anyway :-)
[11:29] <topyli> HauntedUnix: on a dark night (preferably new moon), wave a dead chicken on the chip. then take it to the trash and buy a matrox card :)
[11:29] <MrTrick> well, I can't see 'mshome' anywhere.
[11:29] <MrTrick> is there a way to reset smb.conf back to default?
[11:31] <topyli> MrTrick: what is your workgroup name? perhaps mshome is some sort of ubuntu default
[11:31] <MrTrick> topyli, I would think so, but I've changed everything I could.
[11:32] <MrTrick> hmm, odd.
[11:32] <topyli> MrTrick: i'd say changing it in smb.conf should be enough. maybe you're seeing someones windows box over the internet :)
[11:33] <MrTrick> If I type this: "/etc/init.d/samba stop"
[11:33] <MrTrick> (as root)
[11:33] <MrTrick> then run ps -A
[11:33] <MrTrick> why do I still see multiple 'smbd' processes?
[11:34] <topyli> MrTrick: i have two of them too
[11:34] <tedboer> hi
[11:35] <topyli> MrTrick: oh. i had samba running. after i stop it, there's no process
[11:35] <tedboer> i want install a "custom" warty in a directory (to use with vserver). i suppose i should use debootstrap, but it seems to install more than i want. any suggestions?
[11:36] <pybe> not a j/k whats a plastic nat box?
[11:36] <MrTrick> so maybe there's a problem. Can't imagine why it wouldn't shut down
[11:37] <MrTrick> pybe, good morning.
[11:37] <pybe> MrTrick: hey, had to get more coffee
[11:37] <MrTrick> A plastic nat is one of those cheap routers that you can buy, with a built-in web configuration tool (usually), and sometimes a wireless point or a switch integrated into it.
[11:37] <pybe> MrTrick: I know what NAT is, but whats the deal with the plastic bit
[11:37] <topyli> MrTrick: try and kill all smbd and nmbd processes. maybe the init script will work then
[11:38] <MrTrick> ok topyli, will try that.
[11:38] <pybe> MrTrick: ahh
[11:38] <pybe> MrTrick: I use a few of those for remote workers
[11:38] <MrTrick> 'plastic' = cheap, as opposed to cisco, etc.
[11:39] <gen> consumer crap
[11:39] <pybe> MrTrick: you learn soemthing new everyday
[11:39] <pybe> gen: dont knock it
[11:39] <MrTrick> gen: hey, it could be worse... it could be a windows box running a freeware proxy server.
[11:39] <gen> :)
[11:39] <pybe> MrTrick: or internet connection sharing
[11:40] <gen> i'm not meaning to knock anything, i own linksys shit
[11:40] <pybe> i usually stick with netgear
[11:40] <MrTrick> gen, actually, my plastic nat apparently comes with a lifetime warranty.
[11:40] <topyli> i usually stick with iptables :)
[11:40] <MrTrick> Whatever that means.
[11:41] <gen> haha
[11:41] <MrTrick> hmm, how do I kill off smbd?
[11:41] <pybe> MrTrick: read the small print they probably define "lifetime" in there as about 1 year =)
[11:41] <gen> killall smbd
[11:41] <topyli> MrTrick: it means the warranty is good for the lifetime of the box. if it breaks, the warranty is void
[11:41] <pybe> topyli: lol
[11:41] <MrTrick> heh
[11:42] <MrTrick> uh, killall didn't do anything
[11:42] <topyli> smbd processes still there?
[11:42] <runenes> How can I get the correct screen settings for my  LCD TFT SXGA+ - basically pointers to XF86config resources or automatic configurators..
[11:42] <gen> if it didnt say that it killed no processes, then it did
[11:42] <MrTrick> yup. 4 processes, two are <defunct>
[11:42] <topyli> gen: oh yeah :)
[11:43] <MrTrick> runenes: settings... resolution?
[11:43] <pybe> runenes: the manuf web site or someone posted a link earlier monitorworld.com or something
[11:43] <topyli> MrTrick: your samba daemons are immortal
[11:44] <MrTrick> topylie: tell me about it.
[11:44] <MrTrick> Maybe I should try the windows trick - a reboot.
[11:44] <gen> MrTrick, try a simple restart..
[11:44] <MrTrick> gen: bye... back soon
[11:45] <runenes> pybe, thx
[11:45] <pybe> runenes: np
[11:48] <pybe> does hoary use cifs or smbfs still
[11:51] <pybe> doesnt seem to matter what umask i use mounting an smbshare results in perms of -rwxr-xr-x any ideas
[11:52] <lypanov> hi
[11:52] <MrTrick> okay, lessee what my smbd is up to...
[11:52] <MrTrick> hi lypanov
[11:53] <topyli> MrTrick: did the init script work at boot?
[11:53] <Sav> How come ubuntu eat? my memory so bad? 100% in use after 2 hours.
[11:54] <MrTrick> topyli: which init script? smb.conf?
[11:54] <MrTrick> ahah. I see a 'mrtrick' on the network!
[11:54] <topyli> MrTrick: the /etc/init.d/samba script
[11:54] <pybe> Sav: thats how 'linux' works it uses all the memory, how much is in buffers?
[11:54] <gen> told you
[11:55] <MrTrick> gen: stupid thing
[11:55] <MrTrick> and now there are only TWO smbd processes, not four.
[11:55] <thenuke> Sav: linux has no reason to preserve memory from not being used :)
[11:55] <gen> good
[11:55] <topyli> MrTrick: two is good
[11:55] <thenuke> Sav: it will free up the memory if applications want it
[11:55] <MrTrick> next step, actually putting some drives on it.
[11:56] <pybe> Sav: http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/qna/2327.html
[11:56] <mjr> it's a sign of a bad OS if it doesn't use (nearly) all the memory :)
[11:56] <gen> mrtrick, easiest thing to do there is to just make a library in your home directory that links to said drive
[11:57] <Sav> ok =)
[11:57] <gen> dir not library
[11:57] <Sav> btw, im having trouble getting extensions for firefox to work, is it only for me?
[11:57] <MrTrick> gen: actually, I removed the original smb.conf, using a from-scratch one.
[11:58] <topyli> Sav: those that work, work :)
[11:59] <topyli> many extensions want a specific version of firefox
[11:59] <Sav> ok =(
[12:00] <MrTrick> hmm...
[12:00] <MrTrick> I made a change to smb.conf, and restarted samba, now there are THREE processes.
[12:01] <MrTrick> and it didn't have the desired effect.
[12:02] <MrTrick> ah well, I'll try the reboot again.
[12:09] <MrTrick> why is it that I need a reboot to restart the samba servers? argh, odd.
[12:10] <MrTrick> Well, I can see my shared drive on the network, can't access it yet though... work in progress.
[12:12] <MunDy> can i paste an error here?
[12:12] <MunDy> its one lin
[12:12] <MunDy> e
[12:12] <MunDy> but its long
[12:12] <gen> ok
[12:12] <MunDy> ok, gimme a sec to type =/
[12:12] <Sav> you can only fit 255 chars per line, im i right ?
[12:13] <Sav> on irc that is
[12:14] <MunDy> ok, im wrong its not that long... just looked long :P
[12:14] <MunDy> modprobe: FATAL : Error inserting pciehp (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko)
[12:14] <MunDy> modprobe: FATAL : Error inserting pciehp (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/shpchp.ko)
[12:14] <MunDy> i get those two while booting
[12:14] <elyseum> i get a likewise line too
[12:14] <MunDy> whats that all about?
[12:15] <topyli> MunDy: i used to get them too. i put them in the hotplug ban list and all is well.
[12:16] <cg0def> how can I upgrade to Hoary?
[12:16] <ApesMa> MunDy: I get them, too. I saw somewhere (forum?) that the messages are harmless, but there's a file you can edit to keep modprobe from trying to load them.
[12:16] <Sav> just add "pciehp"  without quotes in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:16] <topyli> MunDy: /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:16] <Sav> MunDy, just add "pciehp"  without quotes in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:16] <MunDy> hrmm
[12:16] <MunDy> ok
[12:16] <MunDy> so its nothing to worry about?
[12:16] <Sav>  nope
[12:16] <MunDy> ok
[12:16] <MunDy> now for my next problem...
[12:17] <MunDy> x wont run =(
[12:17] <MunDy> ive just installed ubuntu
[12:17] <MunDy> and it wont run
[12:17] <MunDy> i have a radeon 9200
[12:17] <Sav> just a blacka screen=
[12:17] <MunDy> i have a login prompt
[12:17] <Sav> black screen?
[12:17] <Sav> ahh
[12:17] <MunDy> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:17] <MunDy> i did all that ^^
[12:17] <Sav> get any errors on startx ?
[12:18] <MunDy> but it goes couldn't find fglrx-driver when i use the 2nd command
[12:18] <MrTrick> damn, "apt-get install stepmania" doesn't work. :-)
[12:18] <MunDy> the error output from X is just like "X is a opensourceblah blah blah" but no error msg
[12:19] <MunDy> the last line, says Module Loader Present but im not sure if that is part of the above msg or the actual error, becuase theres no line break or anything to tell me its the error
[12:19] <Sav> MunDy, well then im not the right guy to helt, i had the same problem but for me it was "sync out of range" i just edited  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to fit my monitor
[12:20] <jimi> hi
[12:20] <MunDy> hrmm ok
[12:20] <ApesMa> cg0def: a recent milestone for Hoary was released. I'm running with it now. So far, only problem I'm having is with sound. See http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-January/003500.html for info.
[12:20] <MunDy> Sav: is Module Loader Present the error? and if so, how do i go about fixing it?
[12:21] <cg0def> ApesMa: thanks
[12:21] <jimi> hum
[12:21] <jimi> my triying to install from this image failed
[12:21] <jimi> (test cd 3)
[12:22] <jimi> after first reboot, it get into aptitude and then nothing
[12:22] <k31th> morning people
[12:22] <MrTrick> jimi, you mean some of the packages didn't install?
[12:22] <MrTrick> morning k31th
[12:22] <jimi> some = 90%
[12:22] <jimi> =] 
[12:22] <Thybalt> so here i am i could use some help. a lot if i think about it
[12:22] <jimi> i go in console then , and try apt ubuntu-desktop
[12:22] <jimi> but plenty of dependency fails
[12:22] <jimi> :s
[12:23] <MrTrick> jimi, did you try restarting from within aptitude?
[12:23] <MrTrick> I had a failure of many packages, but when run again from inside aptitude, they worked fine. (shrugs)
[12:23] <jimi> restarting the base install?
[12:23] <jimi> i dont know exactly where aptitude pops up
[12:24] <ApesMa> jimi: that happpened to me yesterday. Strangely, the first machine I tried Array 3 on installed fine. I'm not sure what the difference is.
[12:24] <cg0def> shouldn't the hoary packages show up in world?
[12:24] <jimi> what should i do in aptitude?
[12:24] <jimi> i already had this problem with test cd 2, but i dont rememember how i fixed it
[12:24] <jimi> too bad because hoary is really good for laptop and wifi support =)
[12:25] <Thybalt> i have a problem with my sound card under ubuntu. could somebody help?
[12:26] <jimi> ok lets man aptitude now ^_
[12:26] <jimi> thybalt : you dont have sound?
[12:26] <aeo> me has a question... is it possible to copy the entire ubuntu partition to a usb disk an use a grub boot disk to load ubuntu from the usb hd?
[12:26] <jimi> hum
[12:27] <Thybalt> jimi: i have a sound card that supports 7.1 sound * channels that is*
[12:27] <Thybalt> now i have a 5.1 sistem inserted.
[12:27] <jimi> i dont think its that easy aeo
[12:27] <Thybalt> and i have sound only in the center and front speakers
[12:27] <Thybalt> the sub and the rear have no sound
[12:28] <Thybalt> i've had this problem under suse 9.2 pro too
[12:28] <Thybalt> and still i had no succes in fixing it
[12:28] <Thybalt> i am a beginner in linux but this is the first problem i want to solve
[12:28] <Thybalt> so could you help?
[12:28] <aeo> there are some linux distros which are designed specifically for that purpose, like flash linux...
[12:29] <ApesMa> Thybalt: what have you tried to fix it?
[12:29] <gt500> hellow :D
[12:30] <Thybalt> ApesMa, actually  i haven't tried anything because i don't know much. all i did was to check that the volume wasn't muted
[12:31] <lestat730> is it possible to do a HDD install from the gnoppix live disc?
[12:31] <lestat730> like in knoppix 'sudo gnoppix-installer'?
[12:31] <Thybalt> wait. i have sound only in front speakers
[12:31] <defile> lestat730, if it has a hd-install script
[12:31] <Thybalt> no rear speaker and center and sub
[12:31] <lestat730> def: thanks, how do i access that?
[12:31] <ApesMa> OK... so you fired up the "volume control" and checked that it wasn't muted. Did it have separate sliders for the rear/sub?
[12:32] <Thybalt> ApesMa,  no
[12:32] <cg0def> do I have to install from a CD if I want to switch to hoary or I can just update all the pkgs?
[12:33] <ApesMa> Thybalt: does the volume control have an Edit>Preferences selection?
[12:33] <Thybalt> ApesMa,  yes it does
[12:34] <ApesMa> Thybalt: try it. When I click on it, it gives me a checklist of controls to display. See whether rear/center are among them.
[12:34] <Thybalt> no. rear/center are missing
[12:34] <aeo> jimi: so do you have any idea if somebody has done it, or where i should search for more advice etc?
[12:35] <jimi> sorry i was on the other computer
[12:35] <jimi> hum
[12:35] <jimi> i never did this, so i am not good advice :)
[12:36] <ApesMa> Thybalt: Darn. I saw one for center when I tried it. Must be a function of the drier.
[12:36] <jimi> maybe you can just install it directly to usb ?
[12:36] <ApesMa> Thybalt: er, driver. :)
[12:36] <jimi> if the drive is supported during install
[12:37] <jimi> just choose /dev/sda if it works
[12:37] <Thybalt> the chipset is intel865pe, with onboard sound
[12:37] <aeo> jimi, i managed to copy every little piece of ubuntu on the usb drive
[12:37] <Thybalt> it was installed by default i guess.
[12:37] <jimi> (given your usb is sda... if you dont have raid or other usb drives)
[12:38] <jimi> aeo : and it works?
[12:38] <aeo> i just dont know if grub can load it :|
[12:38] <ApesMa> Thybalt: I fear that is past my (low) level of expertise.
[12:38] <aeo> i dont know how to test it
[12:38] <jimi> i never did this, so i cant tell, but your fstab and other drive dependent files will be broken
[12:39] <aeo> yeah that's for sure
[12:39] <aeo> but the first step is configuring a grub boot disk
[12:39] <jimi> yeah
[12:39] <Thybalt> ApesMa,  thank you anyway for your time
[12:39] <jimi> cost nothing to try =)
[12:39] <Thybalt> jimi, you know something about sound cards ?
[12:40] <jimi> i dont know how to boot a usb drive thow
[12:40] <Thybalt> nor do i
[12:40] <jimi> nope sorry thybalt.. i have 2.1 ^_
[12:40] <aeo> well
[12:40] <Thybalt> thank you guys. i'll come back later . i could just be lucky enough to find someone with 5.1
[12:40] <aeo> google is my friend thenn
[12:40] <jimi> you could try a usb drive distribution like flonix and then replacing everything with ubuntu hehe
[12:41] <aeo> O_O
[12:41] <aeo> that sounds harder
[12:41] <jimi> but at least it'll boot
[12:41] <jimi> i dont know
[12:41] <aeo> btw, which usb distro is available ?
[12:41] <jimi> he
[12:41] <ApesMa> My sound problem is that the only thing that I've found so far that makes sound is lbreakout2. (Using Hoary test 3; mobo has on board sound, but I'm trying to use a Sound Blaster Live.)
[12:41] <aeo> i had only heard about flashlinux
[12:42] <jimi> flonix i think
[12:43] <aeo> ok
[12:43] <aeo> xm, ok i found it
[12:46] <coulix> how to desactivite the font auto hinting ? the font  doesnt looks very net
[12:46] <boxemall> doea anyone know how to reactivate x-serv?
[12:47] <coulix> startx
[12:47] <boxemall> it stopped workin after installing vmware
[12:47] <boxemall> it says something about reconfiguring
[12:47] <coulix> xf96config
[12:47] <coulix> *86
[12:52] <aeo> when is it safe to delete /tmp/*
[12:52] <jdub> aeo: during boot ;)
[12:52] <Aurel_> hello everyone
[12:53] <jimi> brb
[12:53] <aeo> is that done automatically?
[12:53] <Aurel_> is it possible to mount an FILE.iso ?
[12:54] <odyssey> hello
[12:54] <lestat730> anyone know where the option is in gnoppix to install to hard disk?
[12:55] <k31th> will this distro support my tv card out of the box ?
[12:57] <boxemall> even with sudo i can't get out of my root folder
[12:57] <boxemall> what do i do wrong?
[12:57] <odyssey> k31th, whats your tv card?
[12:58] <dud> if its a conexant bt878 or that newer conexant chip, it will
[12:58] <Falstius> Aurel_: mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mnt/iso
[12:58] <Falstius> or some variation on that.
[12:58] <dud> http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/bttv.html
[12:59] <odyssey> if i dist upgrade to hoary i have to remove xfree86 by hand right?
[01:00] <Bigglez> Hello out there, Is there a list of software in the components (like Universe) that I can look at?
[01:00] <Bigglez> I want to see if Ubu supports the apps I use.
[01:02] <MrTrick> what the...
[01:02] <MrTrick> If I open this link: http://www.melonpool.com/ in mozilla on ubuntu, mozilla just quits.
[01:03] <Bigglez> Am not in Ubu now - can't test that.
[01:04] <ssam> bigglez have a look around http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[01:05] <hikaru79> MrNaughty, it's just you
[01:05] <hikaru79> Oops
[01:05] <hikaru79> Wrong auto-complete
[01:05] <hikaru79> MrTrick, it's just you
[01:05] <MrTrick> k, thank you hikaru79...
[01:05] <hikaru79> I can open melonpool.com in Mozilla with no problem =/
[01:05] <MrTrick> stupid thing...
[01:05] <Bigglez> ssam - thanks, will try now
[01:05] <hikaru79> MrTrick, what version of Moz?
[01:05] <MrTrick> hikaru79, which OS though?
[01:05] <hikaru79> Ubuntu
[01:05] <MrTrick> .93
[01:06] <hikaru79> Hm, that could be the problem
[01:06] <hikaru79> ever heard of the warty backports projet?
[01:06] <hikaru79> It's a repository that gives you newer versions of certain programs
[01:06] <hikaru79> Firefox is one of them
[01:06] <hikaru79> That repository will get you version 1.0
[01:06] <MrTrick> odd
[01:06] <hikaru79> Which is what I'm running.
[01:06] <ssam> bigglez, you may be able to work it out from there
[01:06] <MrTrick> so... how to run it?
[01:07] <Aurel_> Falstius, thanks thanks thanks :)
[01:07] <hikaru79> MrTrick, read here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[01:07] <hikaru79> Scroll down to the one called "UbuntuBackports"
[01:08] <MrTrick> why not just apt-get upgrade firefox?
[01:09] <Bigglez> ssam - not having much luck with that url. Is there another way to find a list of apps?
[01:09] <hikaru79> MrTrick, because if you're only using the Warty repository, 0.93 is the *newest* version there
[01:10] <hikaru79> Unless you're either already on the backports, or using Hoary.
[01:10] <hikaru79> I assumed you were using Warty?
[01:10] <ssam> um. maybe there is a list in the wiki
[01:10] <jdub> don't use the backports
[01:10] <hikaru79> jdub, why not?
[01:10] <jdub> they'll screw up your upgrade when you move to hoary
[01:10] <hikaru79> Really? I had no problems with that...
[01:11] <jdub> firefox in warty is very reasonable
[01:11] <jdub> if you want a newer version, upgrade to hoary and help test :)
[01:11] <k31th> 1.0 ?
[01:11] <MrTrick> ah, ok
[01:11] <hikaru79> jdub, this guy is saying a certain page is crashing on him every time he runs it, but on my 1.0 (Hoary), it works fine.
[01:11] <jdub> hikaru79: you probably just haven't noticed it yet
[01:11] <MrTrick> gnight
[01:11] <MrTrick> bedtime...
[01:11] <hikaru79> jdub, I've been on Hoary for over a month.
[01:11] <jdub> uh huh
[01:11] <jdub> backports are insidious
[01:11] <MrTrick> jdub: I've gotta get warty working first.
[01:11] <hikaru79> =P LOL
[01:11] <ssam> or http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu has versions of major packages
[01:12] <jdub> please do not recommend them
[01:12] <Bigglez> ssam - (on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/) I found a 6mb file - it may help... will see!
[01:13] <Bigglez> Well this will take forever... :( Thanks for the link
[01:15] <odyssey> what are backports?
[01:16] <jdub> evil brokenness
[01:16] <Falstius> has anyone gotten a card with int ICH6 (or cmaudio "high definition" sound") to play sound (or load a driver)?
[01:16] <topyli> odyssey: you take new, unstable source packages to make binary packages on a stable system
[01:17] <odyssey> topyli, thanks
[01:18] <topyli> odyssey: then you distribute them on the net so everybody can mess up their systems with your packages :)
[01:18] <odyssey> :/
[01:20] <EvolutionR> when I want to install rp pppoe. I type ./configure the outcomes erro no gcc, cc. No cc path was found
[01:20] <Falstius> EvolutionR: install gcc
[01:20] <Falstius> apt-get install build-essential
[01:21] <EvolutionR> Falstius: but I saw on the synaptic package show installed GCC for base ? is it different?
[01:21] <EvolutionR> there is a gcc 3.3 uncheck
[01:22] <EvolutionR> gcc-3.3 base check
[01:22] <Falstius> EvolutionR: I think those are the runtime (.so) libraries
[01:22] <defile> I can see that this distro will probably grow on me =)
[01:22] <EvolutionR> okie I follow ur instructions?
[01:22] <Falstius> try build essential, the work that happens is it tells you it is already installed.
[01:23] <EvolutionR> Falstius: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail able)
[01:23] <EvolutionR> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc ess using it?
[01:23] <hikaru79> EvolutionR, do you have Synaptic running as well?
[01:23] <hikaru79> If you do, close it
[01:24] <hikaru79> You can't apt-get and have Synaptic running at the same time
[01:24] <EvolutionR> yes: I have synaptic running
[01:24] <hikaru79> Close. They can't co-exist
[01:24] <EvolutionR> oic is there any easy way?
[01:24] <hikaru79> Close and try: apt-get build-essential again
[01:24] <hikaru79> Err
[01:24] <hikaru79> Just press the "X" in the top-right corner?
[01:24] <EvolutionR> okie I've close !
[01:24] <hikaru79> Good =)
[01:24] <hikaru79> In a terminal
[01:24] <hikaru79> type
[01:24] <Falstius> EvolutionR: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:24] <Falstius> it is only 1 command line, how easy can it get?
[01:24] <hikaru79> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:25] <EvolutionR> Suggested packages:
[01:25] <EvolutionR>   gcc-3.3-doc manpages-dev autoconf automake libtool flex bison gcc-doc libstdc++5-3.3-doc stl-manual
[01:25] <hikaru79> Yes
[01:25] <hikaru79> Just say "Y"
[01:25] <EvolutionR> Need to get 0B/4128kB of archives.
[01:25] <EvolutionR> After unpacking 13.2MB of additional disk space will be used.
[01:25] <EvolutionR> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 
[01:25] <EvolutionR> okie
[01:25] <hikaru79> "Y"
[01:25] <hikaru79> It'll install and set up a whole lot of stuff
[01:25] <hikaru79> Then try ./configure again and all should be well
[01:25] <EvolutionR> hikaru79: tru the apt - get command?
[01:26] <EvolutionR> hikaru79: use the synaptic or apt - get better?
[01:26] <hikaru79> No... weren't you trying to manually ./configure and compile a source package?
[01:26] <EvolutionR> hikaru79: yes...later when the download finish
[01:26] <hikaru79> Yes, then compile it
[01:26] <hikaru79> With ./configure , make , make install
[01:26] <Falstius> EvolutionR: they are the same (synaptic and apt-get) but it is easier for use to tell you a command to type than how to click the right boxes in a gui.
[01:27] <EvolutionR> etting up libstdc++5-3.3-dev (3.3.4-9ubuntu5) ...
[01:27] <EvolutionR> Setting up g++-3.3 (3.3.4-9ubuntu5) ...
[01:27] <EvolutionR> Setting up g++ (3.3.4-1) ...
[01:27] <EvolutionR> Setting up build-essential (10ubuntu1) ...
[01:27] <hikaru79> You only use Synaptic or apt-get to get stuff that's already in the ubuntu repositories
[01:27] <EvolutionR> yes already set up
[01:27] <hikaru79> EvolutionR, good
[01:27] <hikaru79> Now try again
[01:27] <hikaru79> The ./configure line that didn't work before
[01:27] <EvolutionR> it running
[01:27] <hikaru79> ^_^ Good
[01:27] <EvolutionR> :)
[01:27] <hikaru79> I gotta run to school x_x
[01:27] <EvolutionR> thanks
[01:27] <hikaru79> I'm gonna be late ><
[01:27] <EvolutionR> okie
[01:28] <EvolutionR> gtg too
[01:42] <freet> jip jop :)
[01:43] <odyssey> tip top?
[01:44] <Bigglez> Has anyone got KDE running in Ubu?
[01:44] <Guardiann> have not tried
[01:45] <Bigglez> Do you need KDE for apps like Koffice etc?
[01:45] <Quest-Master> Hmm
[01:45] <Quest-Master> I'm trying to upgrade to Hoary
[01:45] <jdub> Bigglez: no
[01:45] <Quest-Master> And I keep on getting this error
[01:45] <Quest-Master> Preparing to replace mozilla-firefox 0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3 (using .../mozilla-firefox_1.0+dfsg.1-2ubuntu3_i386.deb) ...
[01:45] <Quest-Master> rm: cannot remove `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/defaults/pref': Is a directory
[01:45] <Quest-Master> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0+dfsg.1-2ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[01:45] <Quest-Master>  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[01:45] <Quest-Master> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:45] <Quest-Master>  /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0+dfsg.1-2ubuntu3_i386.deb
[01:45] <Quest-Master> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:45] <Quest-Master> Sorry; it is a bit huge
[01:46] <Bigglez> jdub - thx.
[01:46] <rob__> I have tried to install KDE but usually something is broken
[01:47] <Bigglez> Is there a way to switch desktops between users under Gnome? In KDE it was tricky to setup.
[01:47] <Bigglez> rob - that's scary.
[01:47] <Quest-Master> jdub? Anyone? :\
[01:48] <Bigglez> Quest-Master : I know squat, but maybe you can try remove /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/defaults/pref
[01:48] <jdub> Bigglez: yeah, it's pretty easy in gnome
[01:48] <Bigglez> and then try again ?
[01:48] <jdub> Bigglez: all integrated into the display manager
[01:48] <Quest-Master> That's where my profile is though
[01:48] <Quest-Master> :\
[01:49] <Bigglez> jdub - thanks again. I am moving to Ubu or Fedora 3 - so this is my decision day :)
[01:49] <theine> does Real software offer proprietary plugins for the Helix player so that one can play Real audio, etc.
[01:49] <rob__> hey do you guys use the Mail Notification program with Gmail?
[01:49] <Bigglez> Quest - try move the folder elsewhere? Make a copy!!!
[01:49] <Dutchy> im looking for a program that can change the processor fan speed, would you know of any? (like speedfan, but for linux)
[01:49] <Quest-Master> hmmy.
[01:49] <Quest-Master> jdub: Would you know?
[01:50] <Bigglez> Dutchy - I use a hamster, just get a stronger one to turn the wheel attached to the fan !
[01:50] <Quest-Master> I upgraded to Hoary using your guide, anyhow
[01:50] <Quest-Master> Ok, this is great
[01:50] <Bigglez> What are the advantages to going Hoary? Is Warty full of bugs etc?
[01:50] <jdub> Quest-Master: not off hand
[01:50] <Quest-Master> I'm half-way stuck inbetween upgrading to Hoary
[01:50] <rob__> oo? a guide? i just changed the source in synaptic
[01:50] <jdub> Bigglez: no
[01:50] <Quest-Master> And Nautilus won't run anymore
[01:50] <Dutchy> trouble of hamsters is, they look so delicious, and if you eat them your computer stops working :)
[01:50] <Quest-Master> :(
[01:51] <jdub> Bigglez: warty is released and fully supported
[01:51] <jdub> Bigglez: hoary is the development branch
[01:51] <Quest-Master> I'm going back to Warty
[01:51] <jdub> Quest-Master: ask thom about firefox
[01:51] <rob__> Bigglez: you get cool new menus and firefox 1.0
[01:51] <Bigglez> jdub - oh. Just wondering. How long till Hoary is official?
[01:51] <jdub> Bigglez: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[01:52] <Bigglez> jdub - tah.
[01:53] <Bigglez> April 2005! Okay, maybe that'll give me time to grok this ubu thing !
[01:54] <Bigglez> Dutchy - You should not eat your cpu fan cooling hamster. Stick to your little sister's pets.
[01:54] <dutch> hello
[01:54] <Dutchy> will do :)
[01:54] <Quest-Master> jdub: I changed my sources.list to Warty repos, and a apt-get update. Can I simply do an apt-get dist-upgrade after that?
[01:55] <jdub> no
[01:55] <rob__> so thats what grok means, thanks google
[01:55] <jdub> you can't downgrade easily at all
[01:55] <Quest-Master> .. nooo
[01:56] <Bigglez> rob_ I got it from the source man! I must be old...
[01:56] <Quest-Master> I shouldn't have tried to upgrade. :(
[01:56] <rob__> has anyone here read DiveIntoPython
[01:56] <Bigglez> Okay - off to play with my hdd's and jumpers and cables and Ubu disk! Thanks for the help.
[01:57] <Quest-Master> rob__: me :)
[01:57] <Quest-Master> jdub: Upgrading to Hoary ends right here: Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:57] <Quest-Master>  /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0-2ubuntu4-warty99_i386.deb
[01:57] <Quest-Master> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:57] <rob__> Is it worth reading for a unexperienced person like myself?
[01:57] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[01:57] <rob__> (i only know a little php and C)
[01:57] <Quest-Master> It's a great read, rob__
[01:58] <rob__> Quest-Master: alright thanks
[02:02] <no0tic> ehi, aptitude dist-upgrade wants to install the 386 kernel but I have latest k7 kernel installed
[02:03] <rob__> what is the k7 anyway? is that an AMD or Intell chip?
[02:04] <mjt> it's amd
[02:07] <no0tic> what can I do?
[02:07] <no0tic> I don't need those packages
[02:09] <theine> i recently upgraded to hoary (which is very, very nice) and now there a hundreds of device files in /dev, which doesn't look very udev-like... is that normal?
[02:09] <theine> plus there is /.dev which i have never seen before...
[02:10] <Zindar>  /.dev exists in warty as well
[02:11] <Zindar> it's a old-kind-of-/dev
[02:19] <theine> so what about all those device files?
[02:19] <LesleyB> what device files? I think my partition's screwed up
[02:25] <Falstius> LesleyB: you should probably look up grub error 18
[02:25] <LesleyB> I have Falstius
[02:26] <Falstius> what is it?
[02:26] <LesleyB> it's about a fscked up partition
[02:26] <LesleyB> but
[02:26] <LesleyB> I used the basic install of Unbunti
[02:26] <LesleyB> one root partition and the swap
[02:26] <LesleyB> or even Ubuntu
[02:26] <k31th> im going to be installing in 32mins
[02:26] <Falstius> what file-system?
[02:27] <LesleyB> so is Error 18 symptomatic of anything other than a partition problem? and if so, why does a basic Ubuntu install die ?  FS is ext3
[02:27] <Falstius> more likely it is your disk that is bad or problems with the controller
[02:27] <LesleyB> ok
[02:27] <Falstius> did you use the whole disk?
[02:28] <LesleyB> yep
[02:28] <LesleyB> it's been dead a little while and I have no data of any use on it
[02:28] <LesleyB> it was running SuSE 8.2 and then debian ok
[02:28] <Falstius> *shrug* possibly your hd has some bad sectors then.
[02:29] <LesleyB> then I resurrected another box because the debian was a woody install and I couldn't raise a GUI on it
[02:29] <k31th> oO why not
[02:29] <LeeColleton> LesleyB: You should check in BIOS that the drive is set to use LBA (LargeBlockAdressing)
[02:29] <LesleyB> ok LeeColleton
[02:29] <LesleyB> I'll check that
[02:29] <k31th> LesleyB why could you not booot x because it was woody ?
[02:30] <LesleyB> no I could boot that ok
[02:30] <LesleyB> just didn't have a GUI on it and I wanted one
[02:30] <k31th> ok..
[02:30] <Adrenal> what do you call it when a five year old codes a file manager?
[02:30] <Adrenal> kde
[02:30] <LesleyB> but there was a screw up sometime back with Debian and this was an old download of woody
[02:30] <jdub> Adrenal: that's unnecessary here
[02:30] <Adrenal> jdub: you know its true
[02:31] <k31th> ubuntu uses gnome right ?
[02:31] <Adrenal> by default
[02:31] <k31th> kool
[02:31] <Adrenal> it is, primarily, a gnome distro
[02:31] <k31th> i havent used knome for ages
[02:31] <k31th> fluxbox and kde
[02:31] <Adrenal> knome?
[02:31] <jdub> Adrenal: the last thing we are interested in here is kde/gnome flaming.
[02:32] <rob__> hey anyone able to get mono installed on hoary?
[02:32] <Falstius> xfce4 is tasty.
[02:32] <rob__> I need to get it running so i can install beagel
[02:32] <tritium> It seems evolution-exchange keeps getting worse
[02:32] <jdub> rob__: yes, almost all of the beagle dependencies are installable from hoary
[02:33] <rob__> I tried last night and there were some unfullfilable dependencies for mono
[02:33] <rob__> I can try again today
[02:33] <gusto> ./uptime
[02:33] <rob__> There was another guy who had a simmiler problem on the wiki for beagle
[02:33] <LesleyB> LeeColleton: LBA is on for that HDD
[02:34] <Adrenal> jdub:understood
[02:37] <Adrenal> damn, i miss them already
[02:46] <Rotundo> hello
[02:48] <Guardiann> hello
[02:48] <k31th> hello
[02:48] <LeeColleton> hello
[02:49] <no0tic> when I close my lid and then reopen it, I find a blank screen with a blinking cursor (like a console without login) Alt+F7 is enough to return to graphics. Why this strange behaviour?
[02:50] <LesleyB> what GRUB does Ubuntu use?
[02:50] <Rotundo> I am having a problem with a new ubuntu install I was hoping someone may point me in the right direction, I am a long time debian user (still learning) and have never seen this.  When I umount eitehr of two vfat partitions on my machine the whole system locks up, leaving me no recourse but the reset switch
[02:50] <LeeColleton> no0tic: Xwindows doesn't like to suspend on some laptops.  There's a hackish work around to automatically switch to a console when you suspend and switch back to the GUI when you resume.
[02:51] <no0tic> LeeColleton: the laptop doesn't suspend
[02:55] <tritium> Rotundo, that's a documented bug.
[02:56] <Rotundo> well theres a reason one should actually research a bug prior to hoping in irc :)
[02:56] <tritium> Rotundo, do you have nautilus open when it occurs?
[02:56] <Rotundo> yes
[02:56] <Rotundo> I think
[02:56] <rob__> Is it fixed in hoary tritium, cause if it was he could try updating to fix it.....
[02:56] <tritium> Rotundo, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5887
[02:56] <Rotundo> it was just happening last night (first ubuntu install) and first thing this morning I thought I'd come here and ask about it
[02:57] <tritium> rob__, I don't think so.  That bug says "Hoary will hang..."
[02:57] <Rotundo> so I dont have the machine here to verify.
[02:57] <MM2> is photoshop ported for macosX? when it will be ported to linux?
[02:57] <tritium> rob__, actually, it says the status is resolved, so it might be fixed
[02:57] <tritium> Rotundo, you're on Warty?
[02:57] <Rotundo> well thats
[02:58] <Rotundo> it happened with the warty install then I upgraded to hoary. (is that the right order or vice versa?)
[02:58] <tritium> Rotundo, that order would make sense.  It looks like the bug is upstream.
[02:59] <Rotundo> according to 5431 its an inotify issue, which would explain not seeing it in debian proper
[02:59] <eyequeue> in xchat, what is "reset marker line"? ^M
[03:00] <tritium> I'm looking at 5431 now too ;)
[03:00] <rob__> my scaner on my Printer/Scanner/Copyer(etc.etc.)isnt working automagically on Xsane, should I report a bug to Ubuntu or search out the Xsane bugzilla? any other suggestions?
[03:01] <eyequeue> MM2:  tried gimp yet?
[03:01] <Rotundo> seems the other bug was resolved because it was deemed a dup of 5431
[03:01] <tritium> Rotundo, right
[03:02] <tritium> I hate mow my laptop charger overheats and shuts off if I try to both power my laptop and charge a battery at the same time.
[03:03] <tritium> how, not mow :)
[03:03] <rob__> should I just go to ubuntu bugzilla?
[03:04] <LesleyB> tiddly pip :)
[03:05] <eyequeue> is there a bug search tool in ubuntu, like querybts in debian?
[03:05] <jdub> eyequeue: bugzilla.ubuntu.com ...
[03:05] <eyequeue> jdub:  nothing to automate the lookup?
[03:06] <eyequeue> jdub:  simple to script, but i dind't want to reinvent the wheel
[03:07] <tritium> something like apt-listbugs might be nice, as in the case of Monday's metacity bug
[03:08] <tritium> which, btw, could probably be taken off the topic, I would think
[03:08] <tritium> :)
[03:09] <eyequeue> ask and ye shall observe-it-done :)
[03:09] <tritium> thanks, daniels
[03:09] <snowblink> you could always use FF quick search
[03:09] <snowblink> set one up for bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:10] <Phineas> Any ops here? Christine__ is a spam bot
[03:11] <tritium> snowblink, I'll check into it
[03:12] <k31th> "could not retrieve xfsprogs. This may be due to a network problem or a bad CD"
[03:13] <duzchip> How do i install rpm-packages under ubuntu?
[03:13] <duzchip> I need to install my ati-drivers
[03:13] <Falstius> duz, and don't you install the ones in ubuntu?
[03:14] <duzchip> the ones in ubuntu?
[03:14] <tritium> fglrx?
[03:14] <tritium> duzchip, "apt-cache search fglrx"
[03:16] <duzchip> does it work any good?
[03:16] <duzchip> the driver i mean
[03:16] <tritium> duzchip, dunno, I have nVidia
[03:16] <duzchip> Oh oki
[03:16] <duzchip> cause ATI is known to suck quite big under linux
[03:16] <duzchip> I dont understand why they only have rpm-packages on their own site
[03:16] <k31th> damn it
[03:16] <k31th> I O errors
[03:16] <tritium> probably because of the LSB
[03:16] <duzchip> Do i just restart the x-server after installing the fglrx?
[03:17] <Falstius> duzchip, it works I don't have any measure of how well.
[03:17] <Falstius> you have to setup the X config file.
[03:18] <Falstius> they include a tool to do it, but its kind of painful.
[03:18] <Falstius> I just use the standard linux driver with my laptop (radeon m9000)
[03:19] <wezzer> who the hell is this Christina___ ?
[03:19] <rob__> I've been thinking about getting a dual screen videocard for my desktop.
[03:19] <Phineas> spam bot
[03:19] <wezzer> yea, I noticed
[03:20] <nevyn> rob__: don't
[03:20] <wezzer> could someone show way out to her?
[03:20] <rob__> nevyn:whats your take on this?
[03:20] <Falstius> rob__: I had one ... it was nice.  Gave me a warm goey feeling watching a movie on one screen while working on something on the other.
[03:21] <nevyn> rob__: X performance on dualhead is kinda not good.
[03:21] <rob__> Falstius: warm goey feeling? what movie were you watching?
[03:21] <pybe> rob__: just pick up another cheap pci card and stick it in
[03:22] <rob__> nevyn: I had heard from my friend that in general GNU/Linux support was better than windows's
[03:22] <Falstius> its not what you watch but who you watch it with... after that though I can't stand working on a windows singlehead.  With multiple desktops linux is okay.
[03:23] <pybe> rob__ : I had 1 agp and 2 pci cards with 3 screens at one point http://www.pybe.co.uk/files/temp-upload/my-office/my-office-1.jpg
[03:23] <rob__> pybe: how well does that work, I have integrated soundcard on my motherbord and a soundcard I put in and only one works (the motherbord one) even thought the soundcard worked fine before I moved it to this PC on ubuntu
[03:24] <wezzer> question: does that evolution'
[03:24] <rob__> pybe: well that answers my question
[03:24] <wezzer> s
[03:24] <wezzer> spam filter work at all?
[03:24] <pybe> rob__: im using 2 cards at the mo on ubuntu
[03:24] <Falstius> rob__: and you modified the alsa config?
[03:25] <rob__> Falstius:  no i dont know anything about that
[03:25] <pybe> rob__: try to disable the ondoard on in the bios and see if ubuntu picks up the other
[03:25] <pybe> rob__: is it in lspci?
[03:25] <nevyn> rob__: better than windows.. doesn't mean good
[03:25] <rob__> the driver is recognized I know that
[03:26] <pybe> rob__: what for?
[03:26] <pybe> rob__: do lspci | grep audio in a termina
[03:26] <pybe> +l
[03:26] <rob__> because the volume configuration (prefrences) menu shows 2 diffrent cards. just one of them doesnt work
[03:27] <rob__> 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)
[03:27] <rob__> 0000:00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator]  (rev 01)
[03:27] <rob__> The cirrus logic is the card that doesnt work.
[03:27] <pybe> rob__: in vol prefs are the 2 choices oss and alsa?
[03:28] <pybe> rob__: if so thats the 2 different sound systems not 2 differnt cards
[03:28] <kasv> does the AMD64 ATi driver support 32-bit OpenGL apps?
[03:28] <Falstius> probably there are two devs in /dev and the wrong one is being used.  check /dev/sound/
[03:28] <rob__> I dont know.
[03:29] <pybe> rob__: open the prefs and does it say at the end of the 2 choises OSS on one ans ALSA on the other
[03:29] <rob__> I think i might be in the wrong preffs menu it has a tab for playback and capture
[03:30] <rob__> oh wait there are 2 OSS devices and 2 Alsa Devices
[03:30] <rob__> in the "change devices" menu
[03:30] <pybe> rob__: ok they are both picked up and with the drivers
[03:31] <t325> rob__ like pybe said before, disable the o/b card in the bios, in the worst case, if there is nothing about this in the bios, then find ur mb's manual, there is probably a jumper to remove.
[03:31] <pybe> rob__: try setting them all to alsa and the same device, see which ones the cirrus
[03:31] <rob__> how do I do these things?
[03:32] <pybe> rob__: select them in the drop down
[03:32] <k31th> oh i like this "new cool updated debian"
[03:32] <nevyn> hrm I still can't find stratagus.
[03:32] <geppel> My machine has two HD's (hda,hdb). I have WinXP installed on hda and I just installed Ubuntu on hdb and during the install when I was asked to install grub, instead of installing it on the MBR I choose /dev/hdb1 (my / parition (including /boot). I then booted off the Ubuntu livecd and did the following: dd if=/dev/hdb1 of=/boot.lnx bs=512 count=1 and copied the boot.lnx to my winxp parition and edit the boot.ini, thus creating a dual boot syst
[03:32] <geppel> em using the ntldr. However when I try to boot into Ubuntu Linux I get the word GRUB on the screen and nothing else it just hangs. Whats wrong? (btw, I've been able to dual boot like this with Debian and Gentoo). Any help would be appreciated!
[03:34] <Falstius> geppel: haven't done it for years so I can't answer, but why do you want to use ntldr instead of grub?
[03:34] <rob__> pybe: i cant find the drop down menu is it because I am running hoary?
[03:35] <geppel> Falstius: because whenever I do a service pack upgrade or other major windows update my grub boot loader is always overriden
[03:35] <pybe> rob__: im on hoary
[03:36] <rob__> so I just go to prefrences and pic the Alsa Cyrus card?
[03:36] <Falstius> geppel: that is very strange ... sounds like the root sys is not configured properly in grub.
[03:36] <pybe> rob__: easyest thing to try 1st is to reboot and enter your bios setup
[03:37] <pybe> rob__: and look to see if you have an option to disable onboard sound
[03:37] <rob__> ok thanks I'll try that.
[03:37] <Phineas> Is there a way to mount my ntfs partition along with the other media and drives?
[03:38] <pybe> Phineas: try apt-cache search ^ntfs and ^libntfs - i think they are the part that let you mount ntfs
[03:39] <Phineas> Well I've got it mounted in /mnt, I wanted to know how I get it on the drives window and such
[03:44] <pybe> Phineas: add it to fstab i think
[03:46] <pybe> geppel: i have installed 2ksp4 xpsp1 xpsp2 on dual boot machines and its never over written grub for me....
[03:46] <Phineas> pybe, yeah all I had to do was change the mount location from /mnt to /media, and add the req directories
[03:48] <TongMaster> Anyone an op here?
[03:48] <pybe> TongMaster: nope
[03:48] <dud> i dont suppose anyone could help me get rar installed on an amd64?
[03:48] <TongMaster> You may want to /whois Christina___ and ban it.
[03:49] <dud> i got rar working on debian pure64 earlier, so it is possible...
[03:50] <daniels> TongMaster: cheers mate
[03:50] <TongMaster> np's
[03:50] <nevyn> what was that about?
[03:50] <tigger|nl> spambot
[03:50] <t325> dud maybe by installing with the source, if there is no x86-64 pkg
[03:50] <TongMaster> nevyn, sexbot spam
[03:50] <lupus_> can someone tell me how to reinstall dbus?
[03:50] <nevyn> ah.
[03:51] <lupus_> it's not removed but broken
[03:51] <Orbo> hi, help?
[03:52] <Orbo> alsa is picking up my onboard sound and not my audigy2
[03:52] <pybe> Orbo: try to disable the onboard sound in the bios and see if it picks up the audigy
[03:53] <dud> t325, i keep getting this "dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386)"
[03:53] <dud> seems that its not able to build for amd64
[03:54] <Orbo> pybe, k
[03:54] <t325> mmh.. and binary 32bits install?
[03:55] <dud> segment faults
[03:55] <lupus_> sorry can someone answer my question I just asked I went offline :(
[03:57] <t325> You can always dl a general linux rar version, but you will have less system integration.. http://www.rarlab.com/rar/rarlinux-3.4.1.tar.gz
[03:59] <t325> lupus_ did you try uninstalling then reinstalling it?
[03:59] <lupus_> if I uninstall it
[03:59] <lupus_> all the dependencies
[03:59] <lupus_> get uninstalled two
[04:00] <jono> daniels, ping
[04:00] <t325> ok.. try apt-get reconfigure or configure (I don't remember) dbus
[04:01] <daniels> jono: whattup
[04:02] <jono> daniels, do you know how the OQO is doing? has cjwatson mailed it onto you?
[04:03] <daniels> jono: i'm not sure, sorry -- fairly sure it hasn't been sent my way yet.  you could always ask him :)
[04:04] <jono> daniels, I mailed him and no response yet
[04:04] <daniels> ah
[04:04] <jono> daniels, he seems to have been away from IRC too - maybe he is sick or on holiday or something
[04:04] <daniels> dunno, sorry
[04:05] <jono> no probs
[04:15] <king_arthur> hi everybody here
[04:15] <EvolutionR> ! Could not look up internet address for. This will prevent Gnome from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding to the file /etc/hosts. Hi, I don't understand wat file do I need to add? Anyone?
[04:15] <king_arthur> would like to set up a remote ftp connection to ubuntu, how can I do that?
[04:16] <king_arthur> could anybody please advice?
[04:16] <king_arthur> aslo ssh would be just fine
[04:16] <king_arthur> *also
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[04:17] <EvolutionR> Is Gnome 2.8, Ubuntu 4.10
[04:19] <Get> Hi! I've a labtec webcam old model, how to get it work in ubuntu?
[04:21] <Schumiester> any South Africans in here i need to ask a question
[04:22] <Schumiester> how long do ordered ubuntu cd's take to get to you
[04:24] <Schumiester> how long do ordered ubuntu cd's take to get to you
[04:24] <k31th> why cant i access root ?
[04:24] <mjr> *sigh*, writing this material is cumbersome
[04:24] <t325> EvolutionR, when I start gnome2.6 in mdk without being connected to internet, I get the same msg so it's a gnome, not an ubuntu issue; but (for me) then Gnome works correctly so don't pay attention to the warning, if gnome loads, it's ok.
[04:24] <k31th> im trying su from vconsole
[04:24] <Schumiester> anyone please
[04:25] <michal_> mine took a month to arrive
[04:25] <pybe-lappy> k31th: use sudo command
[04:26] <k31th> yeh just noticed that
[04:26] <k31th> grr
[04:26] <EvolutionR> t325: the problem is I can log into Gnome by pressing "Login Anyway", when I want to run program like root terminal, networking nothing seems to work!
[04:26] <eyequeue> mjr: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz might be of interest
[04:26] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: my laptop works fine offline
[04:26] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: whats the error?
[04:26] <t325> k31th, If you really want root account enabled, sudo passwd root
[04:26] <EvolutionR> t325: I've just installed the rp pppoe, after reboot the error message came out!
[04:27] <snowblink> king_arthur: sudo apt-get ssh
[04:27] <eyequeue> mjr:  it's not 2005 though, but it may be a starting point
[04:27] <mjr> eyequeue, sure, might be a nice reference
[04:27] <mjr> thanks
[04:27] <eyequeue> mjr:  np
[04:27] <king_arthur> snowblink: already done thanks 8)
[04:27] <EvolutionR> pybe-lappy:  ! Could not look up internet address for. This will prevent Gnome from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding to the file /etc/hosts.
[04:27] <t325> EvolutionR, and does your connection work with rpppoe?
[04:28] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: thats a problem with your hostname
[04:28] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: what do you have in /etc/hosts
[04:29] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: do you have a 127.0.0.1 entry?
[04:29] <EvolutionR> t325: I dont know because I've just freshly installed this ubuntu, trying to get connection tru rp pppoe, I just  tested the ./go-gui,after tat I closed and shut down the machine. I try to boot into gnome the message appear!
[04:29] <spockster> need some help with ma111 usb wireless adapter anyone?
[04:29] <EvolutionR> pybe-lappy: yes! I think so, I've look at it almost like that
[04:29] <EvolutionR> pybe-lappy: wat's the solutions?
[04:29] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: whats the 127 line
[04:30] <Schumiester> how long do ubuntu cd's take to ship??
[04:30] <dud> argh! i keep getting this "Cannot open display" message whenever i try to run something from terminal
[04:30] <dud> its killing me heh
[04:30] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: should be like: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost <yourhostname>
[04:30] <pybe-lappy> dud: are you as root?
[04:30] <dud> root account is disabled
[04:30] <EvolutionR> pybe-lappy: not I'm not root normal user...but I'm on dual boot now windows
[04:31] <EvolutionR> have to reboot
[04:31] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: k
[04:31] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: make sure you have a line like I pasted
[04:31] <EvolutionR> pybe-lappy: so the 127.0.0.1 where's it from? from which ip?
[04:31] <EvolutionR> what the hostname where can I get this info?
[04:32] <pybe-lappy> dud: yeah but you can enable it, thats the error i would expect if i su - then tried to run a gui app from terminal
[04:32] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  cat /etc/hostname, also see the file /etc/hosts
[04:32] <dud> yeah... the problem is that im not running as root heh
[04:32] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: the hostname is what your machine is called 127.0.0.1 is a fake ip for local stuff
[04:32] <selinium_> Hi all, I am a complete linux newbie. I am going to install linux on my home PC. Basically, Why should I use ubunto? :)
[04:32] <dud> perhaps my user isnt in a group that it should be...
[04:32] <dud> or something
[04:33] <pybe-lappy> selinium_: cause its good, easy to use and great community support
[04:33] <Schumiester> selinium it rocks
[04:33] <EvolutionR> pybe-lappy: OKie!
[04:33] <pybe-lappy> dud: what are you trying to run
[04:33] <eyequeue> selinium_:  i don't know, but ubuntU, well, that's another story ;-)
[04:33] <Falstius> selinium_: it doesn't have 5 million packages you don't need already installed.  And the interface is smooth.
[04:34] <Schumiester> i need ubuntu cd's mine taking forever to ship
[04:34] <dud> anything based on gtk... gmplayer, gxine, dvdrip, whatever ;/
[04:34] <mindphasr> selinium_: Why do you want to use linux?
[04:34] <Falstius> easy upgrades and friendly community.
[04:34] <pybe-lappy> Schumiester: dload the iso and burn it
[04:34] <dud> hmm, $DISPLAY is empty... that cant be right?
[04:34] <selinium_> I was wating for someone to point out my spelling mistake! :P
[04:34] <eyequeue> selinium_:  you're welcome ;-)
[04:35] <selinium_> I think thats enough praise for UBUNTU I will install. Cyu guys later! (Probably with lots of questions!)
[04:35] <Schumiester> i oly have 56K connection duh!!
[04:35] <pybe-lappy> dud: if you type 'echo $DISPLAY' there is nothing there?
[04:36] <dud> nope, its empty...
[04:36] <dud> im fairly adept in linux, i know how to print out a bash variable hehe
[04:36] <dud> but yes, its empty
[04:37] <bur[n] er> dud: export DISPLAY :0.0 ??
[04:37] <dud> is it gdm that is screwing up?
[04:38] <bur[n] er> u think setting a display variable alone will fix it?
[04:39] <pybe-lappy> Schumiester: where are you?
[04:39] <Schumiester> in johannesburg south africa
[04:40] <dud> seems to have done the job strangely enough....
[04:40] <t325> Schumiester, isn't there an university or webcafe with fast internet access?
[04:40] <Schumiester> no
[04:42] <pybe-lappy> Schumiester: what about http://www.raspberry.co.za/raspberry/OpenSourceCDs/
[04:43] <aaki> hi everybody..could somebody help me with a problem with APM
[04:43] <pybe-lappy> Schumiester: ubuntu cds for R60
[04:43] <aaki> on thinkpad R40
[04:44] <tritium> does lirc work on 2.6 kernels yet?
[04:44] <Schumiester> free shiping
[04:44] <pybe-lappy> aaki: ill try
[04:45] <pybe-lappy> Schumiester: no but you can collect from parktown...
[04:45] <aaki> i have APM working but it is giving a strange error of PCI: Address space collision on region 7 of bridge 0000:00:1f
[04:45] <aaki> thanks pybe..
[04:45] <pybe-lappy> Schumiester: http://www.raspberry.co.za/raspberry/OpenSourceCDs/#shipping
[04:45] <Schumiester> R60 bucks for cd's they get for nothing fuck them
[04:45] <aaki> pybe: i have APM working but it is giving a strange error of PCI: Address space collision on region 7 of bridge 0000:00:1f
[04:46] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> hi, What is the main command to start xwindows?
[04:46] <pybe-lappy> aaki: it and irq conflict
[04:46] <pybe-lappy> aaki: its an even
[04:46] <pybe-lappy> aaki: do you use your parralell port?
[04:46] <aaki> pybe: no not as such..but would disabling it be a good ida for this
[04:47] <pybe-lappy> Schumiester: how many rand to sterling?
[04:47] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> hi, What is the main command to start xwindows?
[04:47] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> HELLO!
[04:47] <pybe-lappy> aaki: it worked for me on my dell laptop
[04:47] <aaki> pybe: means if i disable it ...will this problem go away
[04:47] <aaki> pybe: thanks
[04:47] <pybe-lappy> aaki: in the bios
[04:47] <pybe-lappy> akwjlhrfiouwerh: startx
[04:47] <aaki> pybe: will try and let you know..thanks again
[04:47] <pybe-lappy> aaki: k
[04:48] <tritium> akwjlhrfiouwerh, default ubuntu installations start X at boot
[04:48] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> thanks but I have already tried
[04:48] <pybe-lappy> akwjlhrfiouwerh: installed x?
[04:48] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> I was in one stage of installation, when it rebooted and started downloading
[04:49] <pybe-lappy> akwjlhrfiouwerh: sounds like its not installed
[04:49] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> I Cntrl alt del it, and when it rebooted
[04:49] <Schumiester> these guys charge 50% more than tangent solution 0860 11 linux
[04:49] <tritium> why did you Ctrl-Alt-Del?
[04:49] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> there was a menu
[04:49] <pybe-lappy> akwjlhrfiouwerh: try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-dekstop
[04:49] <eruin> do the radeon drivers have support for 9550 ?
[04:50] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> the downloading took too much. Before downloading it asked if I wanted to keep up to date, but didnt understand it would start downloading immidiatelly
[04:51] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> its installing from the cd
[04:52] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> thank you
[04:52] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> I ll tell you when it's over. But does this mean that the installation is corrupted?
[04:53] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> no, it started downloading again...
[04:53] <pybe-lappy> akwjlhrfiouwerh: dont thinkso sounds like you stoped it before it had finished
[04:53] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> maybe I will format and reinst
[04:54] <pybe-lappy> akwjlhrfiouwerh: you should really update after install anyway to get all the bug/security fixes
[04:55] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> but it's in the vmware, I am installing to find which is the best linux distribution for me, and after deciding I will set it to my physical computer
[04:55] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> I am between SUSE and Ubuntu. Haven't tried any of them yet
[04:57] <dud> hows hoary today btw?
[04:57] <dud> is it broken?
[04:57] <mjr> eruin, the free radeon drivers don't, as ati doesn't provide specs; the proprietary ATI drivers for x86/amd64 do. (Hm, did they publish amd64 yet?)
[04:57] <dud> wondering if i should dare to upgrade apt-get
[04:57] <akwjlhrfiouwerh> anyway thank you, have a nice day
[04:58] <eruin> mjr: thanks ;) - dud: do it! doesn't feel broken here.
[04:58] <dud> every upgrade is like playing russian roulette
[04:58] <dud> with 5/6 chambers full
[04:58] <tritium> dud, no, it's nowhere near that bad
[04:59] <dud> so far, its been like that for me...
[05:00] <EvolutionR> Even worst I've mess up the line 127.0.0......ubuntu by removing it at /etc/hosts I can't do anything I tried to fail safe gnome / terminal can't let me do root? anyknow how?
[05:02] <EvolutionR> I duno which is the culprit here...whether Gnome 2.8 or the Ubuntu 4.10 "!Could not look up internet address for. This will prevent Gnome from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding to the file /etc/hosts. ????
[05:03] <tritium> EvolutionR, what does your /etc/hosts first line say?
[05:04] <dud> just do: echo "127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost" > /etc/hosts
[05:04] <EvolutionR> at first is the 127.0.01 something like that? then the # The following line are desirable for Ipv6 capable hosts ....etc
[05:04] <EvolutionR> dud: without root?
[05:04] <tritium> EvolutionR, use sudo
[05:04] <EvolutionR> the gnome cant do anything is useless
[05:04] <dud> prefferably as root
[05:05] <siretart> EvolutionR: try sudo gedit /etc/hosts
[05:05] <snowblink> EvolutionR: what are you doing when you get this error?
[05:05] <EvolutionR> siretart: log in as wat session? desktop first / Failsafe Terminal?
[05:05] <EvolutionR> snowblink: I was doing the installing of rp pppoe
[05:06] <siretart> didnt read your x isn't working
[05:07] <snowblink> EvolutionR: what happens if you dig www.google.com?
[05:07] <EvolutionR> ./configure make makeinstall then run ./go-gui after seeing the Gui then I close it then shutdown the computer. After a while when I boot the linux box, I was shocked that the error came out when I log on as normal user.
[05:07] <parazoid> I can?t play midi-files
[05:07] <Sav> i cant use the char > how can i fix that ?
[05:08] <dud> try setting keyboard layout pc105 Sav
[05:08] <dud> erm, keyboard variant even
[05:08] <EvolutionR> do I need to reinstall? wat a buggy thing...I wish ubuntu as stable as others
[05:08] <EvolutionR> :/
[05:09] <dud> dont blame ubuntu heh...
[05:09] <EvolutionR> probably HedgeHog better
[05:09] <snowblink> EvolutionR: you're using ppoe to connect to your DSL modem?
[05:09] <EvolutionR> snowblink : that's it
[05:09] <snowblink> EvolutionR: so you're not connected yet?
[05:09] <EvolutionR> I dint connect it. I close the pppoe Gui. then I shutdown the computer. After tat i reboot the linux box then it show the error
[05:09] <EvolutionR> yes not connected
[05:10] <snowblink> EvolutionR: probably why you're getting the error then
[05:10] <snowblink> EvolutionR: If you're not connected, whatever needs to do lookups, has no DNS servers to run against
[05:10] <EvolutionR> the problem is how to add back the line, they wont let me....
[05:10] <Falstius> snowblink: gnome requires a valid IP address for hostname
[05:10] <Sav> dud, <>| =)
[05:10] <Sav> dud, thnx
[05:11] <snowblink> Falstius: ah. Okay. New to GNOME...
[05:11] <EvolutionR> Falstius: that's why I think is the hostname is the culprit
[05:11] <dud> Sav, :)
[05:11] <EvolutionR> need to solve it
[05:11] <dud> brb, reboot
[05:11] <snowblink> EvolutionR: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[05:11] <EvolutionR> wait
[05:12] <snowblink> EvolutionR: also check your nsswitch.conf
[05:12] <Falstius> EvolutionR: you need to add your hostname to /etc/hosts as an alias to localhost.
[05:12] <dud> if /etc/hosts sets localhost correctly, and localhost is set as the hostname
[05:12] <EvolutionR> I din't put anything to it I only enable it DHCP the rest dint do anything
[05:12] <dud> then you shouldnt have to connect to any dns servers
[05:12] <Falstius> dud: but localhost insn't the hostname.
[05:13] <dud>  /etc/hosts is the *static* lookup table
[05:13] <snowblink> EvolutionR: type hostname
[05:13] <EvolutionR> I remember the last time after the problem shows up is 127.0.0.localhost....ubuntu
[05:14] <dud> anyway, reboot brb
[05:14] <EvolutionR> snowblink: sorry I'm not at the linux box....Im using windows
[05:14] <snowblink> EvolutionR: on the linux box in a terminal, type hostname and see the return
[05:14] <EvolutionR> okie then I need to reboot
[05:14] <EvolutionR> wait for my news dude
[05:15] <Falstius> EvolutionR: hit ctrl-alt-f1 to get a terminal
[05:15] <Falstius> once you reboot.
[05:15] <EvolutionR> okie
[05:15] <EvolutionR> thanks guys
[05:15] <Falstius> and alt-f7 will take you back to the gui.
[05:23] <pybe-lappy> Falstius: isnt that error because the hostname isnt on the 127.0.0.1 line in /etc/hosts
[05:23] <Falstius> pybe-lappy: yes ...
[05:24] <pybe-lappy> Falstius: I told him to add that about an hour ago
[05:24] <Falstius> pybe-lappy: probably forgot.  or typed it wrong.
[05:24] <pybe-lappy> heh
[05:25] <Falstius> *shrug* he's definitely new.
[05:25] <iapx> hi all, does anybody know where does network-admin save its profiles
[05:25] <iapx> I also tried to strace it with no avail, it seems to write profles in /dev/ptmx
[05:26] <iapx> in hoary
[05:26] <tom_> Can any Emacs experts help me out, i have 2 problems. 1) in c++ mode, tab doesnt insert a tab, it just screws up my indenting (there is also no auto indenting) and 2) can i make the colours for the editor white on black?
[05:26] <Falstius> save profiles
[05:26] <Falstius> find /etc -mmin -1
[05:26] <Falstius> thats for lapx ... silly way to do it.
[05:27] <iapx> yea!
[05:28] <fc_> Hi, I installed php with apt-get install php4
[05:28] <fc_> but where is it installed?
[05:28] <fc_> i cant find it
[05:29] <pybe-lappy> fc_: dpkg -L php4
[05:29] <NanoTek> KiKoo !!
[05:30] <iapx> FOUND
[05:30] <iapx> thanks faltstius!
[05:31] <fc_> pybe-lappy, /usr/bin is in the list
[05:31] <fc_> but it isnt there
[05:32] <fc_> bash: /usr/bin/php4: No such file or directory
[05:32] <fc_> bash: /usr/bin/php: No such file or directory
[05:32] <bretzel> Hi there :-)
[05:32] <BockBilbo> wowww
[05:33] <BockBilbo> its snowing here!
[05:33] <dud> yey, got nvidia drivers working under xorg
[05:34] <pybe-lappy> fc_: try 'which php'
[05:34] <iapx> nye
[05:34] <iapx> nye
[05:34] <iapx> bye
[05:34] <iapx> and thanks
[05:34] <jazzka> why is gnome in Ubuntu so ugly by default?
[05:34] <fc_> pybe-lappy, that doesnt do anything
[05:34] <fc_> root@fc:/usr/bin # which php
[05:34] <fc_> root@fc:/usr/bin #
[05:35] <EvolutionR> Hi!!!!!!!!
[05:35] <snowblink> EvolutionR: any luck?
[05:35] <eyequeue> jazzka:  ugly is opinion, and of course, you're entitled to yours
[05:35] <bretzel> I am sure someone here knows how to install and enable icons themes manually - I need to do it because this gnome installation is crappy about themes management ( GUI tools )
[05:35] <EvolutionR> snowblink what's the command is it hosts in terminal?
[05:35] <snowblink> EvolutionR: hostname
[05:35] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: download the theme and click install in the themes gui browse to the archive and click ok
[05:36] <jazzka> eyequeue, well it has sad colors ;)
[05:36] <diesel> How do I hold multiple packages?  I don't want to type echo <package1> hold | dpkg --set-selections, echo <package2> hold | dpkg --set-selections for each package I want held.
[05:36] <eyequeue> jazzka:  the chocolate brown?
[05:36] <EvolutionR> snowblink: $ sudo hostname
[05:36] <EvolutionR> sudo: unable to lookup  via gethostbyname()
[05:36] <bretzel> pybe0lappy: Tha 's the crappy part of gnome for bad wrapped icons themes: It does not install at all! that is why I ask for manual installation!
[05:36] <jazzka> eyequeue, yes
[05:37] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  cat /etc/hostname
[05:37] <EvolutionR> eyequeue: /etc/hostname
[05:37] <EvolutionR> You have new mail in /var/mail/user1
[05:37] <eyequeue> jazzka:  i think that was a ubuntu decision, consistency with some of their other stuff
[05:38] <snowblink> EvolutionR: sounds like you don't have a hostname set
[05:38] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  ls -l /etc/hostname
[05:38] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: no idea then, try getting the theme from art.gnome.org they always work for me
[05:38] <EvolutionR> To: root@localhost.localdomain
[05:38] <EvolutionR> From: user1@localhost.localdomain
[05:38] <EvolutionR> Subject: *** SECURITY information for  ***
[05:38] <EvolutionR> Message-Id: <20050126163704.928FD8F71F@localhost.localdomain>
[05:38] <EvolutionR> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:37:04 +0800 (MYT)
[05:38] <EvolutionR>  : Jan 27 00:37:04 : user1 : unable to lookup  via gethostbyname()
[05:38] <EvolutionR> okie!
[05:39] <mpk> does anyone know if there any news ticker programs available for Gnome?
[05:39] <EvolutionR> ls -l /etc/hostname
[05:39] <EvolutionR> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root            1 2005-01-26 20:00 /etc/hostname
[05:39] <djtansey> I'm sure this has been asked 100 times already, but is there a way to make evolution work again? mine won't even start. (i am assuming it is a dist-upgrade thing in hoary, since i haven't changed any other settings)
[05:39] <cutterjohn> mpk: several, but I dont know their names offhand
[05:39] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  if it is empty, then run 'sudo hostname some-short-word-you-want-to-name-your-box-here'
[05:39] <EvolutionR> eyequeue: can u give me an example, I am newbie about that
[05:39] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  'sudo hostname mybox' for example
[05:40] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: whats in /etc/hosts
[05:40] <bretzel> pybe-lappy: hehehe :-) thanks for that hint - I will go to the arts.gnome  site and figure out ( if still not working ) why my gnome installation  is that a mess -- I have other scrap to deal with - such DVD/CD write in ctx menu etc ....
[05:40] <EvolutionR> okie
[05:40] <cutterjohn> mpk: if you use synaptic, do a find on news over name & description, or a find on ticker over name & description
[05:40] <EvolutionR> sudo hostname mybox
[05:40] <EvolutionR> sudo: unable to lookup  via gethostbyname()
[05:41] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  then you will want to add " mybox" to the line that says "127.0.0.1 localhost" in /etc/hosts
[05:41] <EvolutionR> # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
[05:41] <EvolutionR> fe00::0 ip6-localnet
[05:41] <EvolutionR> ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
[05:41] <EvolutionR> ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
[05:41] <EvolutionR> ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
[05:41] <EvolutionR> ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
[05:41] <EvolutionR> only this after I remove the 127.0.0. ...
[05:41] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: why remove it
[05:41] <djtansey> is no one else having evolution problems today?
[05:42] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  um ..... *NEVER* remove the 127.0.0.1 line
[05:42] <EvolutionR> sorry I mistake
[05:42] <EvolutionR> but
[05:42] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  i think we ust discovered the problem :)
[05:42] <EvolutionR> the problem happen b4 I remove it
[05:42] <EvolutionR> !
[05:42] <EvolutionR> the problem happen b4 I remove it
[05:42] <diesel> How do I hold multiple packages?  I don't want to type echo <package1> hold | dpkg --set-selections for each package I want held.
[05:42] <EvolutionR> I tot that was the problem
[05:43] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  a problem existed, but this is a newer bigger one i think
[05:43] <EvolutionR> yeah
[05:43] <EvolutionR> okie I add that line
[05:43] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  okay, i'll dictate a line for you to add to /etc/hosts, can you do that?
[05:43] <EvolutionR> okie
[05:43] <EvolutionR> go on
[05:43] <EvolutionR> I try
[05:44] <pybe-lappy> 15:30 < pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: should be like: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost <yourhostname>
[05:44] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost mybox
[05:44] <pybe-lappy> dejavu
[05:44] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  change "mybox" to whatever word you like of course
[05:44] <pybe-lappy> EvolutionR: i told you that over an hour ago
[05:45] <EvolutionR> okie thanks buddy
[05:45] <EvolutionR> I add the line to /etc/hosts
[05:45] <EvolutionR> sorry If I miss something u guys said
[05:45] <EvolutionR> done
[05:45] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  'sudo hostname mybox' <-- should work now
[05:45] <EvolutionR> should I restart the linux?
[05:45] <EvolutionR> okie let me try
[05:46] <EvolutionR> wait
[05:46] <EvolutionR> sudo hostname mybox
[05:46] <EvolutionR> You have new mail in /var/mail/user1
[05:46] <EvolutionR>   :/
[05:46] <EvolutionR> still cannot
[05:47] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  'sudo hostname mybox' <-- does not return a response if it worked ... now, try 'ls -l /etc/hostname'
[05:47] <EvolutionR> okie
[05:47] <EvolutionR> ls -l /etc/hostname
[05:47] <EvolutionR> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root            1 2005-01-26 20:00 /etc/hostname
[05:48] <EvolutionR> any thing?
[05:48] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  is the name you gave it only one letter long?
[05:48] <EvolutionR> wat u mean 1 letter long?
[05:48] <EvolutionR> I put mybox
[05:48] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  'sudo hostname mybox' <-- mybox is 5 letters long
[05:49] <EvolutionR> I put mybox as stated just now
[05:49] <EvolutionR> I copy and paste
[05:49] <eyequeue> EvolutionR: okay
[05:49] <EvolutionR> so what's next?
[05:49] <han`> ubuntu + dell inspiron 1150 laptop works great! nice =)
[05:49] <froust> What was that command that checks for/removes dangling symlinks?
[05:50] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  I'm not sure if you still have errors, do you?
[05:50] <EvolutionR> wait
[05:50] <EvolutionR> I try
[05:50] <EvolutionR> reboot the linux
[05:50] <EvolutionR> bye
[05:50] <Joe2> Hiya people, I added a fat32 partition to fstab (obviously I sudo'd to create the directory to mount to) but I need to be able to access the partition via something like konquerer
[05:50] <Joe2> Hiya people, I added a fat32 partition to fstab (obviously I sudo'd to create the directory to mount to) but I need to be able to access the partition via something like konquerer
[05:51] <Joe2> but
[05:51] <Joe2> I get access denied
[05:51] <Joe2> and I tried chmod'ing by using sudo
[05:51] <snowblink> Joe2: check your umask
[05:51] <Joe2> 0222
[05:52] <Joe2> er
[05:52] <Joe2> 0022 even
[05:52] <snowblink> try 000
[05:53] <Joe2> howd ya do that :P?
[05:53] <froust> Joe2: umask 0000
[05:53] <alexrait>  hello, I am trying to add a new account to evolution, but it won't allow me to click on the "forward" button in the wizard..
[05:53] <snowblink> Joe2: edit your fstab
[05:53] <awstott> wow this is a big channel
[05:54] <thenuke> awstott: yup :) ubuntu is popular distro
[05:54] <Joe2> /dev/hdb3       /mnt/windows10   vfat    defaults        0       0 <--- Thats what I got
[05:54] <han`> alexrait, on the first page?
[05:54] <alexrait> yes
[05:54] <Joe2> Ubuntu is one kisk ass distro :D
[05:54] <Peter> is Ubuntu easy to dual boot w/ windows?
[05:54] <snowblink> Joe2: instead of defaults
[05:54] <froust> Peter: I found it really easy.
[05:55] <snowblink> Joe2: put umask=000
[05:55] <thenuke> Peter: yes it is
[05:55] <Peter> whats the Ubuntu installer like?
[05:55] <Joe2> 000 or 0000
[05:55] <Peter> CLI?
[05:55] <froust> easy.
[05:55] <thenuke> Peter: Ubuntu will automagically detect windows and any other operating systems and then willingly dualboot them
[05:55] <snowblink> Joe2: either should work
[05:55] <alexrait> han`, In "Evulution Settings" I click on Add, it shows a welcome message, then on the second page I can't move forward..
[05:55] <awstott> anyone compile an eggdrop on ubuntu? I had a problem with tcl.... I couldn't get it to work... even with tcl8.3
[05:55] <froust> mine didn't detect windows
[05:55] <Peter> hmm
[05:55] <thenuke> Peter: what is CLI?
[05:56] <Peter> command line interface, no?
[05:56] <eyequeue> Command Line Interface, meaning no pretty pictures
[05:56] <Peter> yeah
[05:56] <dud> argh, mplayer just out right refuses to give me any video output
[05:56] <Joe2> right, brb gonna reboot and hopefully it'll work :D
[05:56] <Peter> what about 64bit radeon drivers?
[05:56] <snowblink> Joe2: hang on
[05:56] <snowblink> Joe2: you can remount
[05:56] <eyequeue> you type your inputs, rather than "point and drool"
[05:56] <alexrait> I have already one account...and I just want to add another one..
[05:56] <Joe2> will if I try umount to get it off then it just says /dev/hdb3 is busy
[05:57] <dud> "cannot grab port X"
[05:57] <dud> X is usually 145-147
[05:57] <han`> alexrait, you need to fill out more information then
[05:57] <eyequeue> alexrait:  sudo adduser otherusernamehere
[05:57] <snowblink> Joe2: fair enough
[05:57] <Joe2> joe@xhome:/mnt $ sudo umount windows10
[05:57] <Joe2> umount: /mnt/windows10: device is busy
[05:57] <Joe2> umount: /mnt/windows10: device is busy
[05:57] <bretzel> pybe-lappy: No luck, The icon theme files are actually uncompressed into my home's .themes dir, but nothing else is done... and all the stuff I install through the GUI are in the .themes dir and no hints about what is what...
[05:57] <eyequeue> alexrait:  oops, evolution, didn't see that at first, ignore that
[05:58] <alexrait> han`, what information? I filled all the fields.. even the optional
[05:58] <Peter> how is NTFS support?
[05:58] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: click on custom and pick them then save it
[05:58] <han`> alexrait, is the forward tab greyed out?
[05:58] <alexrait> it's still grey..
[05:59] <han`> alexrait, did you put in a proper email address?
[05:59] <alexrait> yes..
[05:59] <han`> do you already have an account in there?
[05:59] <alexrait> yes..
[05:59] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: also try sudo apt-get install gkt-engine* gnome-themes-extras
[05:59] <bretzel> pybe_lappy: custom ?? where you have it ??
[06:00] <alexrait> I have evolution 2.1.4 if it helps..
[06:00] <han`> is that a stable version? i have 2.0.x
[06:00] <Joe2> Yay it worked :D - thanks peeps
[06:01] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: desktop | prefs | themes | theme details - then choose your controls, window boarders, icons then click close then save
[06:01] <alexrait> han`, my sources are from hoary..
[06:02] <vpalle> i cant get evolution to read usenet news.. pan is working just fine.. any known problems?
[06:02] <alexrait> I guess I should just fill a bug report
[06:02] <han`> 2.0.3 is the latest stable release
[06:03] <han`> 2.1.3 is the latest unstable release, i would say use a stable release
[06:03] <han`> or else go to an evolution support channel/forum
[06:03] <alexrait> do they have one?
[06:04] <han`> #evolution on irc.gnome.org
[06:05] <bretzel> pybe-lappy: ok the details: I have downloaded Tuxntush icon set from art.gnome.org, I want to install it : prefs:themes|theme details|icons| install new theme| choosen the icons archive - doesn't appears in the list ... that is what I am dying to resolve!
[06:05] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: no idea im afraid, i will have a go
[06:06] <snowblink> bretzel: http://art.gnome.org/faq.php#4
[06:06] <bretzel> I don't intend to annoy you dude with that anyway - thanks for your time pybe-lappy :-)
[06:06] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: np
[06:07] <bretzel> snowblink: Thanks :-) reading it now, I will see if i am wrong or if this is my gnome installation messed!
[06:10] <bretzel> (hum- sorry for those understanding french bad words - expecially from quebec ) Maudit criss!
[06:10] <Po0ky> does anyone know how to make your own gfxmenu in grub?
[06:11] <Po0ky> for grub
[06:11] <Po0ky> :)
[06:11] <bretzel> snowblink: working :-) -- The worse is that I was about to try moving the folder into the .icons dir ...
[06:11] <snowblink> bretzel: good stuff
[06:14] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: there is a bug =)
[06:15] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: mv ~/.themes/TuxnTosh ~/.icons
[06:16] <pybe-lappy> bretzel: apparently the install button installs it wrong =)
[06:17] <bretzel> pybe-lappy: yes this is what I've done :-) -- sorry for the late repond - I was AFK
[06:18] <stacey> I need some help w/ rsync, anybody know about that?
[06:19] <pybe-lappy> stacey: used it a bit before
[06:19] <stacey> specifically how to make a rsync.conf or rsyncd.conf
[06:19] <stacey> I get: rsync: failed to connect to mombassa: Connection refused
[06:19] <stacey> rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(93)
[06:19] <stacey> mombassa is my own machine
[06:20] <stacey> the man page talks about rsyncd.conf, I
[06:20] <pybe-lappy> stacey: whats the command line your using?
[06:20] <stacey> 've made both at this point
[06:20] <stacey> rsync mombassa: or rsync mombassa::
[06:20] <stacey> trying to get a list of modules
[06:21] <pybe-lappy> what are you trying to achive? sync a location between to machines?
[06:22] <stacey> just trying to test rsync at this point by getting a list of available modules
[06:22] <bretzel> ok ciao all thanks again :-)
[06:23] <stacey> actually, I get 2 different errors, "rsync mombassa:" gives- stacey@mombassa:~ $ rsync mombassa:
[06:23] <stacey> ssh: connect to host mombassa port 22: Connection refused
[06:23] <stacey> rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes read so far)
[06:23] <stacey> rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(343)
[06:23] <stacey> "rsync mombassa::" gives- stacey@mombassa:~ $ rsync mombassa::
[06:23] <stacey> rsync: failed to connect to mombassa: Connection refused
[06:23] <stacey> rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(93)
[06:24] <pybe-lappy> dont know about modules i just usually:  rsync -azv -e ssh --progress --stats /source/path/ targetip:/target/path
[06:25] <pybe-lappy> does mombassa have 22 open?
[06:25] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hallo
[06:26] <stacey> pybe-lappy: how would I tell if 22 is open? /etc/services doesn't have 22 commented out
[06:27] <pybe-lappy> stacey: can you telnet to it maybe
[06:28] <stacey> telnet? it's an ssh port. but no, I can't ssh to it either, hmmm...
[06:28] <awstott> port scan it with nmap?
[06:29] <pybe-lappy> you can connect to any open port with telnet
[06:29] <pybe-lappy> telnet 192.168.100.252 22
[06:29] <pybe-lappy> Trying 192.168.100.252...
[06:29] <pybe-lappy> Connected to 192.168.100.252.
[06:29] <pybe-lappy> Escape character is '^] '.
[06:29] <pybe-lappy> SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.9p1 Debian-1ubuntu1
[06:30] <will> my whole sound system is playing at 2x speed after running cedega and then stoping/re.starting GDM
[06:30] <will> anyone any ideas?
[06:30] <BockBilbo> hello again
[06:31] <pybe-lappy> stacey: does it have a firewall?
[06:31] <stacey> pybe-lappy: no, I can't telnet to it either. I guess that's the real problem
[06:31] <pybe-lappy> stacey: looks like it
[06:31] <stacey> how do I fix it?
[06:31] <pybe-lappy> stacey: whats the dist?
[06:31] <stacey> check /etc/services
[06:31] <awstott> is it on?
[06:31] <stacey> Warty
[06:31] <pybe-lappy> stacey: installed ssh?
[06:32] <awstott> you want ot turn off ssh or turn it on?
[06:32] <stiggy> hi guys
[06:32] <stacey> I can ssh out, I guess I need an ssh-server?
[06:32] <pybe-lappy> stacey: here you go http://ubuntuguide.org/#installssh
[06:33] <stacey> thx
[06:33] <pybe-lappy> np
[06:36] <lupus_> how can I get an account for rosetta?
[06:37] <lupus_> nm
[06:38] <pybe-lappy> lupus_: whats rosetta
[06:40] <lupus_> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/rosetta
[06:45] <LaurenceRowe> which package does /usr/bin/pdb (python debugger) live in?
[06:45] <Po0ky> does ubuntu uses a patched version of grub?
[06:47] <HappyFool> LaurenceRowe: there's a pydb package
[06:48] <Gwildor> hello :)
[06:48] <HappyFool> a few months back i tried to get that (i think?) working with ddd without success. that was on fedora, though
[06:48] <Gwildor> i need some help zipping a dir
[06:48] <Gwildor> i tried gzip <dirname>, but it yelled at me
[06:49] <LaurenceRowe> hmm but emacs wants standard pdb. The debian python packages have it
[06:49] <HappyFool> try 'tar czf foo.tar.gz foo/'
[06:50] <Gwildor> HappyFool: can a tar.gz be "unTarred" in M$?
[06:50] <LaurenceRowe> Gwildor: winzip does tgz. otherwise install zip
[06:50] <HappyFool> LaurenceRowe: pdb is a standard python package. /usr/lib/python2.3/pdb.py ?
[06:50] <erik> hey, I at some point typed in the actual DPI of my monitor into some config dialog.  I forget where.  Now my fonts are real big and I want to lie and say "100dpi".  Anyone know where this would go?
[06:51] <LaurenceRowe> HappyFool: yes, but debian python packages also have a /usr/bin/pdb wrapper so from emacs youcan M-x pdb
[06:52] <tungsten> trying to load mysql-server
[06:53] <tungsten> error depend libdbi-perl not installable?
[06:53] <HappyFool> LaurenceRowe: hrm. when M-x pdb asks "how to execute", try /usr/lib/python2.3/pdb.py <python-file>
[06:53] <HappyFool> LaurenceRowe: i guess you could just make a symbolic link from /usr/bin/pdb or $HOME/bin/pdb to the python file
[06:54] <HappyFool> or figure out which emacs variable to set
[06:57] <BockBilbo> is there any good gnome app in the ubuntu repositories to decrypt .pgp files???
[06:58] <erGoline> hi! any guru of X configuration (sis630/730 + LCD panel) here?
[06:59] <Gwildor> HappyFool: thnx alot, 'tar czf foo.tar.gz foo/' worked great
[06:59] <kagou> hi
[06:59] <tungsten> error depend libdbi-perl not installable?
[06:59] <lonewolff> hi there i wonder if anyone can help, i just installed ubuntu all went well but not the gui wont start
[06:59] <kagou> where can i found old version of a package ?
[06:59] <tungsten> I have around 8 sources in synaptic
[06:59] <lonewolff> after the test part of the startup my screen goes blank
[07:01] <tungsten> the package is in ftp.ale.org/pub/mirrors/ubuntu/pool/main/libd/ - 3k
[07:01] <tungsten> how do I add this to synaptic?
[07:02] <stiggy> he everyone.... can i ask a n00b question? lol
[07:03] <kagou> stiggy, go !
[07:03] <stiggy> what should i treat as my "program files" directory in linux?
[07:03] <stiggy> i'm just installing newest firefox
[07:03] <tungsten> never mind interestingly a reload in synaptic picked it up
[07:04] <zenrox> /usr/local/ /usr /opt
[07:04] <tungsten> it's interesting because I did a reload of synaptic around two weeks ago
[07:04] <bretzel> Hi again !!
[07:04] <stiggy> zenrox: was that to me?
[07:04] <zenrox> yes
[07:04] <stiggy> thanks
[07:04] <zenrox> any one of thoes
[07:05] <bretzel> I want everybody laugh at me please!!!!!! - here why:
[07:05] <zenrox> pref /usr/local cause it wont casue as many conficts
[07:05] <ssam> ergoline hello
[07:05] <erGoline> hi ssam :) I try every day the same question ;)
[07:05] <ssam> yes i have
[07:06] <ssam> shall i email it?
[07:06] <bretzel> Yesterday I was complining about nautilus inability to provide ctx menu for burning ISO images files ...
[07:06] <Chang> Is there a tracker up for Array-3?
[07:06] <tungsten> this is nice ubuntu using perl 5.8
[07:06] <stiggy> it says "Can't make destination diretory" - how do i run the graphical firefox install as root?
[07:07] <k31th> does this distro support rpm's at all ?
[07:07] <k31th> only i cant get cinerella to compile
[07:07] <bretzel> The ISO filename was all uppercase thus.ISO - but I've just tried with the ext. iso as lowercase in the filename -- and duh! it works!
[07:07] <Bigglez> Anyone know what Totem can do? It don't seem to play d*ck out of the box...
[07:09] <erGoline> ssam, are you talking to me? Do you get the xf86config?
[07:09] <bretzel> Bigglez: pluggins; libs etc ... In previous ubuntu installation I can't remeber what I have installed - but it played almost ALL video stuff: wvm, divs; mpeg etc .... But right now I can't redo it :-(
[07:09] <ssam> ergoline /msg me you email and i'll send you the x config
[07:09] <bretzel> divx I mean
[07:10] <Bigglez> bretzel - do you mean I must 'upgrade' it first? I'm asking what it does direct from the cd - 1st run.
[07:10] <erGoline> ssam, thanks! you're great!
[07:11] <HappyFool> Bigglez: have you looked at ubuntuguide.org ? there's a section on codecs / dvd playback / etc
[07:11] <bretzel> Bigglez: bah, you may upgrade, but what I know is that we need the pluggins;codecs for it to be able to play the corresponding video-codec files
[07:12] <Bigglez> I get all that (and I am upgrading), but I just wonder about the app's use in the first place. No biggie!
[07:12] <bretzel> BTW: even if libdvdcss2 is installed, I can;t play DVD films - I was able to do it in my previous installation of Ubuntu - I don;t know what I am missing this time
[07:13] <Bigglez> I am going to try for Mplayer - that always worked for me under Fedora
[07:13] <HappyFool> Bigglez: patent, trade secret and other intellectual property issues
[07:13] <bretzel> Happyfool: Ah! thanks for your link, I go to that site now :-)
[07:13] <snowblink> hi, can anyoen recommend some good podcasting s/w (to get rather than record)?
[07:14] <Bigglez> HappyFool - yeah, sure, but why include a media-player if it can;t play any media?
[07:14] <stiggy> is firefox 0.9.3 the latest one on this distro? my synptic seems to think it is
[07:15] <ssam> stiggy yes
[07:15] <HappyFool> Bigglez: well, the audio players can play "free" formats. not sure about the video players. it's a good question though ;)
[07:15] <Bigglez> Stiggy - go Help->About in FF and check
[07:15] <ssam> stiggy if you want 1.0 its in backports
[07:15] <froust> stiggy: in warty, yes.. in hoary, no
[07:15] <Bigglez> Must say, am new to Debain/Ubu and so far I am waaaay impressed. I even like Gnome. Who woulda thunk?
[07:16] <HappyFool> well, the greatest thing imo is apt
[07:16] <HappyFool> yum is not quite as good ;)
[07:16] <erik> does anyone know how to set the DPI of my display?
[07:16] <erik> my fonts are all way too big
[07:17] <ssam> erik, cant you set smaller fonts
[07:17] <gusto> anyone had any problems using oidentd. I only get ERROR : NO USER ?
[07:17] <stiggy> oh, ao i am up-to-date then, lol.... that saves me a job
[07:17] <mojo__> well, take the physical size and divide by the resolution.  Your dpi will probably be different in each direction (horiz/vert), where print output is usually 1:1
[07:17] <HappyFool> erik: how about this: Computer-Desktop Preferences->Font, then choose "Details"
[07:17] <erik> ssam: not using GNOME though
[07:17] <HappyFool> I see a little "DPI" setting there
[07:18] <bretzel> stiggy: About firefox: I can't tell you exactly which source but I did an upgrade through  synaptic and got Firefox 1.0 :-)
[07:18] <erik> what if I'm gnome-less?
[07:18] <Bigglez> erik - what are you using then
[07:18] <erik> uh
[07:18] <erik> programs talking to an X server? it's irrelevant really
[07:18] <Bigglez> If not gnome?
[07:18] <Bigglez> oookay
[07:19] <erik> fvwm
[07:19] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  Are the entries to the Web site redesign context posted anywhere online?
[07:19] <Po0ky> Where does ubuntu load his default user configuration from? or is it all hard coded into the mainmod
[07:19] <gusto> so anyone using oidentd here and would help me out a bit?
[07:19] <cg0def> I have world added to my pkg db and still the only versions of most packages that I see I pretty outdated
[07:19] <cg0def> how can I fix that
[07:19] <erik> Po0ky: probably /etc/skel
[07:20] <erik> hm, that's just bash stuff
[07:20] <erik> it must be hard coded into gnome
[07:20] <Po0ky> crp ;)
[07:20] <entius> hi
[07:20] <entius> hi, i am having troubles when compiling modperl2 after having compiled apache2 rightly.
[07:20] <entius> The message error is: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl
[07:20] <entius> Google search says that or:
[07:20] <entius> "What it is saying is that it cannot find Perl on your system.  Make sure Perl is installed and that ld ( the linker ) can find it."
[07:20] <entius> (Perl is installed, so i don't understand) or:
[07:20] <entius> "apt-get install libperl5.6 libperl-dev"
[07:20] <entius> I've tried to install both libperl5.6 or libperl-dev, but i haven't found them in repositories.
[07:20] <entius> What can i do?
[07:20] <Osis> anyone know how to install NdisLoader or DriverLoader onto ubuntu?
[07:21] <Po0ky> k, and what about grub :) how do you create a grub/messages file
[07:21] <eyequeue> entius:  libperl5.8 ?  you have old google info
[07:21] <ficusplanet> Osis, ndiswrapper is already in the kernel.  Just search for it on the wiki.
[07:21] <Osis> i need one of them to get my Wireless cardbus driver for my laptop
[07:21] <Osis> oh i see
[07:21] <entius> probably, have i to install libperl-dev?
[07:22] <entius> i will try ...
[07:23] <Osis> i can't seem to find ndisloader
[07:23] <Osis> :(
[07:23] <Osis> i'm a linux nub sry
[07:24] <HappyFool> erik: have you tried 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' ?
[07:24] <stiggy> does anyone know how to fix this?
[07:24] <stiggy> Errors were encountered while processing: locales, lsb, ubuntu-desktop
[07:24] <entius> it seems to work, this chat is amazing, just hours and hours and just 15 seconds after having entered i've solve my problem!
[07:24] <HappyFool> erik: that's a bit of a guess, though
[07:27] <stiggy> i'm getting it when runnin anything in synaptic
[07:27] <TTilus> stiggy: are those packages marked "broken"?
[07:27] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hallo
[07:28] <stiggy> i don't think so.. i'm following the "unofficial ubuntu guide" and using apt-get
[07:28] <TTilus> stiggy: have you ckecked?
[07:28] <Osis> can someone tell me how to use and/or find ndisloader
[07:28] <HappyFool> if you're using apt-get, close synaptic.
[07:29] <tritium> stiggy, in a terminal, "dpkg --configure --pending", and then "apt-get -f install"
[07:29] <snowblink> Osis: apt-cache search ndis
[07:29] <Osis> rgr
[07:29] <Osis> it only finds the source that i installed
[07:30] <Osis> and the version driverloader i tried to install
[07:30] <sprwal> hi all, I just upgraded to hoary but no sound from totem...
[07:30] <Gusto_> no one uses oidentd?
[07:30] <snowblink> Osis: ndiswrapper-utils
[07:30] <njan> sprwal, does sound work with anything else?
[07:30] <sprwal> the rest of the sistem is playing well
[07:30] <sprwal> yea
[07:30] <stiggy> tritium: i get the same error when running that 1st command u gave me
[07:30] <sprwal> njan, the system sounds are ok.
[07:30] <njan> sprwal, killall esd, close and reopen totem, and see if that makes a difference
[07:31] <sprwal> let'sse
[07:31] <Osis> k
[07:31] <njan> sprwal, it's probably because gnome 2.9 with hoary runs the enlightenment sound daemon by default and afaik totem won't output to esd. It'll be trying alsa, and since alsa is locked (by esd), it doesn't give you sound
[07:31] <njan> sprwal, if you start it (or xmms, if you have xmms set to alsa output) from a terminal you'll see all of the alsa breakage messages.
[07:31] <sprwal> xmms seems broken to me
[07:31] <sprwal> a library problem I guess
[07:32] <Osis> wut do i do in the utils foldeR?
[07:32] <sprwal> njan, yea it's working now
[07:32] <njan> sprwal, esd is your problem
[07:32] <sprwal> it's the esd stuff
[07:32] <njan> sprwal, you can either configure xmms to output via esd (in preferences) or tell gnome not to start esd
[07:33] <sprwal> mh so I got to make totem work with esd, or yea that
[07:33] <njan> the one disadvantage of removing esd is that you only have one sound source at a time.
[07:33] <njan> yeah.
[07:33] <sprwal> mh nono
[07:33] <sprwal> better work with esd
[07:33] <njan> THere's an option in gnome's sounds configuration screen for 'sound daemon' - I can't remember the exact wording of it.
[07:33] <sprwal> anyhow, hoary it's impressive
[07:33] <Aurel_> is unrar working for you ?
[07:33] <TTilus> stiggy: can you start synapti?  is it workin?
[07:33] <sprwal> I would just like to say THanks to the laptop team
[07:33] <njan> sprwal, :).. I like it. Glad your sound now works ;)
[07:33] <sprwal> I can suspend now, on a toshiba m30-103
[07:34] <TTilus> stiggy: if it is, search those packages that gave errors and check their state
[07:34] <stiggy> ttilus: it starts fine but comes up with errors after downloading and trying to install
[07:34] <sprwal> the worst laptop on the earth on this
[07:34] <sprwal> so
[07:34] <TTilus> stiggy: what are you trying to download and install?
[07:35] <TTilus> stiggy: those packages u get complaints about or something else?
[07:35] <johanh> hey, anyone know how to install mono on an ibook (hoary)?
[07:36] <stiggy> ttilis: i get those errors when trying to install anything
[07:36] <TTilus> stiggy: so you get synaptic up and running, search for locales and check state of that package
[07:53] <tritium> stiggy, did you use sudo to run those commands I gave you?
[07:55] <hawk16> hey, what is the exact command to adjust the screen resolution manually?
[07:56] <LinuxJones> hawk16, you will need to edit a file then re-start the xserver
[07:57] <hawk16> ok
[07:57] <hawk16> what is the command to edit the file
[07:58] <LinuxJones> sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:58] <LinuxJones> hawk16, add your user's password when prompted
[07:59] <lonewolff> hi there, should ubuntu be able to work on with a pci graphics card?
[07:59] <zAo^> yes lonewolff
[07:59] <lonewolff> because when i use one i only get the test part of the boot sequence but it doesent work in gdm but when i use onboard graphics it work fine
[08:00] <lonewolff> s/test/text
[08:00] <tritium> hawk16, did you try the "Screen Resolution" capplet?
[08:01] <lonewolff> other linux distro's have had no problems with the cards, so i know they work
[08:01] <LinuxJones> tritium, I dfon't know anybody who that has worked for :D
[08:01] <tritium> works for me
[08:02] <tritium> LinuxJones, now you do ;)
[08:03] <LinuxJones> tritium, thanks :)
[08:03] <tritium> :)
[08:03] <klaym> I lost my gnome panels after I had upgraded to Hoary, and I've tried almost everything: apt-get install -f upgrade, dist-upgrade, I've reinstalled gnome-panel and evolution
[08:04] <klaym> anything to do?
[08:04] <defile> klaym, probably something in your .gconf or .gnome* files it doesn't like
[08:04] <LinuxJones> klaym, they might appear if you wait long enough. Did you add any new applets to the panel ?
[08:05] <Gusto_> same thing happened to me
[08:05] <Gusto_> no panels after upgrading
[08:05] <LinuxJones> klaym, I jhad same problem it was the Update Notifiew that caused it for me
[08:05] <LinuxJones> god my typing :(
[08:06] <notdenizen> hi all, I've got a pretty general question. Is there a way to restrict a single applications access to the internet in linux? Similiar to what ZoneAlarm does in windows, an application level firewall as opposed to a network level. I've considered running it in a chroot with a broken resolv.conf, but that wont help if it uses an IP instead of a name. Anyone got a better idea ?
[08:08] <defile> notdenizen, L7 support for iptables isn't generally available by default
[08:10] <notdenizen> but "l7 iptables" in google has brought up a howto. Thanks! :)
[08:11] <defile> you're welcome ;-)
[08:11] <resiak> I really hate myself for asking this question, but ... I'm attempting to fix0r ALSA on a buddy's Ubuntu box. The symptoms are remeniscent of my problems which I fixed (on Debian, FWIW) by blacklisting snd_intel8x0m, but his laptop is another breed of chip which apparently likes snd_atiixp. I'm suspicious that the problems could be, once again, modem-related. Any clues?
[08:12] <klaym> LinuxJones: so how did you get it fixed?
[08:12] <LinuxJones> klaym, I logged in and waited for about 3 or 4 mins and it came up eventually
[08:12] <LinuxJones> klaym, then I removed the applet and it worked fine afterwards
[08:15] <klaym> ok. I wish I remembered which was the last applet I installed
[08:16] <LinuxJones> klaym, it was the (Apt) Update Notifier that went wonky for me.
[08:19] <aalion> any solutions on the Grub loading please wait .... Error 18 ?
[08:21] <bur[n] er> aalion: google/
[08:22] <aalion> lol google doesnt likes me :(
[08:22] <klaym> LinuxJones: so you uninstalled it?
[08:28] <Parallax_> hi
[08:28] <Po0ky> Is there a place (cvs or sth) where all source files are located used with grub?
[08:28] <LinuxJones> klaym, no I just removed it from the panel
[08:30] <Kinema> what is the state of KDE in Ubuntu?
[08:31] <Riddell> Kinema: KDE 3.3.2 is in hoary
[08:31] <Freedomzen> Hi all I just bought an AMD64 proc and I want to install ubuntu64 on it but I read in the forums that there were problems with grub on the install as far as it going into an infanite loop I was wondering if that bug has been fixed in the current iso?
[08:31] <Kinema> what is Ubuntu's version of sid/unstable?
[08:31] <Freedomzen> Kinema: hoary
[08:35] <zeR> Hello
[08:35] <zeR> I have a problem with my internet connection (i have ISDN)
[08:36] <HaRDaWaY> hello people
[08:36] <zeR> if i connect (gpppon blinks in yellow) and i can't acces any site or ping it. But i am able to ping IP's..Any ideas?
[08:36] <HaRDaWaY> i have one problem, when i try to make: apt-get install linux-686 apt tell me this:
[08:36] <HaRDaWaY> Imposible obtener http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  La suma MD5 difiere
[08:36] <HaRDaWaY> why? :(
[08:37] <regeya> try running apt-get update again (or reload list if you're using synaptic)
[08:38] <HaRDaWaY> regeya,  i do it,but....nothing
[08:38] <HaRDaWaY> :\
[08:39] <nir> Do I have links or some other browser on plain new ubuntu?
[08:39] <nir> X?
[08:40] <Kinema> where can i get a hoary "sounder" iso?  the wiki points to http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/sounder-test/current/ but I only see warty images there
[08:40] <Po0ky> Where can I find the gfxboot stuff that ubuntu used?
[08:41] <tritium> sladen, ping
[08:42] <nico|m> hi!
[08:43] <zeR> hello nico|m
[08:43] <nico|m> i'm using ubuntu (hoary) and many translations in gnome programs are gone for some days now. is that normal (moving to gnome 2.10) or did i break something?
[08:44] <Gusto_> can anyone help me get ident working?
[08:44] <Soulstorm> alo alo!
[08:45] <Soulstorm> has anybody here had the problem where the mouse cursor jumps randomly all over the screen?
[08:46] <Rotundo> I have
[08:46] <Rotundo> I assumed it was my crappy mouse
[08:46] <Soulstorm> is there any way to fix it?
[08:46] <nico|m> Soulstorm: totally randomly, all the time? or just a little bit sometimes?
[08:46] <Soulstorm> just sometimes
[08:47] <Soulstorm> according to google it seems to be an issue related to optical mice
[08:47] <nico|m> Soulstorm:  i was suspecting your ps2 <-> bus mouse settings in xorg.conf, but that would make the mouse jump around like mad...
[08:47] <santiago> Hi, I need to install ubuntu via network in my dell inspiront 700m, is there a way to do without boot floopies?
[08:47] <mirak> hi
[08:47] <Rotundo> santiago: a boot cd ?
[08:47] <mirak> anyone ever heard of a usable mixer for  sblive 5.1 with alsa drivers ?
[08:48] <Soulstorm> nico|m: tell me what these settins should look like
[08:48] <santiago> Rotundo, I can use my cd drive
[08:48] <mirak> santiago: it's ok then
[08:48] <mirak> santiago: in fact the ubuntu cd install a functional desktop
[08:48] <Rotundo> santiago: I didn't even know they had floppy disks for ubuntu :)
[08:49] <Rotundo> santiago: the ubuntu install was the most painless process I've ever had installing anything
[08:49] <nico|m> Soulstorm: my "InputDevice" section in xorg.conf has "/dev/input/mice" as "Device", "ImPS/2" as "Protocol", i think these are the most important settings. although the first one may look different when not using devfs
[08:49] <santiago> Rotundo, mirak, my cd drive is "damaged", and meanwhile Dell sends me another, I want to install ubuntu via net
[08:50] <santiago> Rotundo, mirak, I don't have a floopy drive, but I could use the USB
[08:50] <Rotundo> santiago: oh you meant "I can't use my cd"
[08:50] <santiago> Rotundo, yes
[08:50] <Dishwasher> How do you configure the kernel?
[08:50] <Rotundo> santiago: do you have a Gnu/linux on the box now ?
[08:50] <nico|m> i'm using ubuntu (hoary) and many translations in gnome programs are gone for some days now. is that normal (moving to gnome 2.10) or did i break something?
[08:51] <Soulstorm> I also have that - I changed "Imps/2" to "PS/2" but that does the same thing
[08:51] <Dishwasher> I don't have a floppy drive, and everytime i boot up, it gives me a fatal error trying to find floppy
[08:51] <santiago> Rotundo, on that box (It comes with windows :S), no, but in another
[08:51] <resiak> Huh... If I am not very much mistaken, echo atiixp >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist should stop it from loading, correct?
[08:51] <nico|m> Soulstorm: imps/2 is pretty much the same i think. do you have a second mouse to test with?
[08:51] <eyequeue> resiak:  sudo it, but yes
[08:51] <mirak> santiago: you can maybe use a usb cd rom
[08:52] <eyequeue> resiak:  presuming that's the right spelling
[08:52] <mirak> would be the simplest thing
[08:52] <Dishwasher> hey eyequeue, how do i configure the kernel in which the floppy is not searched for?
[08:52] <mirak> santiago: the other methos are booting from network, I already did it, but that's not easy
[08:52] <mirak> santiago: I did it on debian
[08:52] <resiak> eyequeue: It is the right spelling.
[08:52] <eyequeue> Dishwasher:  you may be trying to load some module?  see if there's something in /etc/modules that shouldn't be
[08:53] <Dishwasher> ty
[08:53] <eyequeue> resiak:  np then
[08:53] <Rotundo> santiago: I remember long ago when I used windows there was a way to boot into linux directly from windows using a kernel image, but that required an already installed system
[08:53] <eyequeue> Rotundo:  loadlin ?
[08:53] <santiago> mirak, i could try to boot from network
[08:53] <Soulstorm> nico|m: don't have a second mouse...
[08:54] <Rotundo> yes it was loadlin
[08:54] <santiago> mirak, but I can find a document that don't use a floopy disk
[08:54] <eyequeue> Rotundo:  you're stretching my memory cells :)
[08:54] <Dishwasher> ok eyequeue, i found it, but im not sure which one to comment
[08:54] <Rotundo> hehe
[08:54] <Soulstorm> but I think you are right - it's the cheap optical mouse that is freaking out
[08:54] <Dishwasher> i've got disk, but i think that might be my hard drive right?
[08:54] <eyequeue> Dishwasher:  i would first try one, reboot and watch, then try the other :)
[08:54] <resiak> Hmm. Why on earth does ide_core use atiixp?
[08:54] <Dishwasher> lol
[08:54] <Dishwasher> im still a newbie to this linux stuff
[08:54] <eyequeue> Dishwasher:  disk is very likely your hard drive, which you do want :)
[08:54] <Dishwasher> lol
[08:55] <santiago> Rotundo, i don't how to do that
[08:55] <Dishwasher> hmm, i bet you it might be ide generic
[08:55] <Dishwasher> i'll try that
[08:55] <santiago> Rotundo, don't know
[08:55] <Dishwasher> ty eyequeue
[08:55] <Rotundo> eyequeue: is there a way to install a system using loadlin ?
[08:55] <eyequeue> a generic ide driver is probably quite necessary to read an ide drive such as your hard drive
[08:55] <Necrosan> problem, im trying to compile a camera driver for my friends comp, and i keep getting this.
[08:56] <Necrosan> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[08:56] <Rotundo> santiago: you may be out of luck
[08:56] <Necrosan> What do I need to apt-get to make it compile?
[08:56] <eyequeue> Rotundo:  years ago i might have recalled more ab out it.  i never used it, just saw others talk about it though
[08:56] <resiak> Oh smegging hell...
[08:57] <Necrosan> Anyone?
[08:58] <mirak> santiago: google pxe etherboot
[08:58] <stazich> hey
[08:58] <santiago> mirak, thanks
[08:58] <mirak> santiago: you can boot from network without drive if you are lucky
[08:58] <stazich> can anyone tell me something about installing ubuntu onto an iMac?
[08:59] <Necrosan> stazich, simple, stick the cd in, hold c down and boot
[08:59] <Levia> anyone installed ubuntu on an AOpen 1557? the installation just hangs when booting. (i've tried with nodma, noapic, nofb ... )
[08:59] <leduc> nobody have tested the hoary array 3 ?
[08:59] <stazich> i am now downloading the ISO from the mirror, i am going to then burn in onto cd.. problem is i have this 9.2 imac with which i am totally unfamiliar... just wanted to ask how do i boot the disk then...
[09:00] <stazich> is there any boot order on mac like on pc??
[09:00] <bobalien> i want to say there's a key you can hold down to boot from the cd
[09:00] <Necrosan> stazich, read what i just said.
[09:00] <bobalien> but that could be older Mac
[09:00] <bobalien> or i could be making it up
[09:01] <Necrosan> So is there any way I can get the /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/build directory without rebuilding the whole kernel?
[09:01] <Necrosan> or is the kernel-build for that not released for some reason?
[09:02] <santiago> mirak, I'll try, if it doesn't work, I'll use the USB
[09:02] <stazich> ok
[09:02] <will> All sound on my system (basic unchanged ubuntu install defaults) have sped up to at least 2x, this occured after running cedega 4 to play SOF2, it almost crashed so i:
[09:02] <will> CTRL ALT F1, login, and
[09:02] <will> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:02] <will> (waited).... then
[09:02] <will> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[09:02] <will> (CTRL ALT BACKSPACE did not work)
[09:02] <will> and scince then all has been madness :( cant listen to mp3s (seriously) or watch films etc. Gnome SFX sounds like its on steroids!
[09:02] <will> any ideas are much appreciated.
[09:02] <will> Will
[09:02] <will> oops sorry
[09:03] <santiago> thanks #ubuntu
[09:04] <will> did not mean to paste all that in
[09:04] <Dishwasher> eyequeue no dice man,
[09:05] <Dishwasher> exit
[09:06] <jcoxon77> stazich: hi, i have an apple iBook g4 and to make it boot a cd you hold down C when you boot it up
[09:07] <theine> hi, i recently upgraded to hoary (which is very, very nice) and now there are hundreds of device files in /dev. what is that? doesn't look very udev-like...
[09:09] <stazich> thatnx guys
[09:09] <stazich> i tried, it works
[09:10] <stazich> anyone know what to write to create a partition ? i write c 6 (G).. the install tells me Bad name
[09:10] <Nonphasis> anyone w/ via8235 sound card?
[09:11] <Nonphasis> spdif stopped working warty->hoary
[09:12] <Nonphasis> perhaps I'll just copy the driver source file over from warty and recompile the hoary kernel...
[09:12] <Nonphasis> or just the .ko file
[09:18] <tigerfirestorm> After help for enabling root GDM login - i had it working before but but forgotten how and the site that told me.  I know about the Gnom Config tweak to enable root login - the problem is not this but PAM configuartion in /etc/pam.d.  Any helpers - I make a promise to add a HowTo Dual Boot with VMware if anyone can help.  I have Ubuntu working on a physical partition and dual booting it including XF86Config under VMware unde
[09:19] <LinuxJones> tigerfirestorm, sudo gdmsetup I think
[09:19] <tigerfirestorm> nope thats the bit i emntioned that i already know about - there is more to it than this
[09:20] <tigerfirestorm> PAM /etc/pam.d/... config change is required!
[09:20] <LinuxJones> tigerfirestorm, sorry there is no root account to login unless you've enabled the root account
[09:21] <tigerfirestorm> ditto - there is always a root acount under debian/ubuntu - but GDM login is disabled by default
[09:21] <tigerfirestorm> real helpers please
[09:21] <Rotundo> ubuntu has no root account
[09:21] <Rotundo> debian does
[09:21] <tigerfirestorm> ubuntu does
[09:21] <Soulstorm> ubuntu does
[09:22] <Rotundo> thats not what the install says
[09:22] <tigerfirestorm> try recovery mode and login as single user root from the console greeter rather than grahical CGD
[09:22] <Soulstorm> it's disabled by default
[09:22] <tigerfirestorm> GDM
[09:22] <Rotundo> exactly
[09:22] <Soulstorm> open root terminal and set the password
[09:23] <Rotundo> otherwise it never asked me for a password, and that whould make me very unhappy :)
[09:23] <tigerfirestorm> i see -- you guys and gals are all linux virgins!
[09:23] <Soulstorm> anyway - I have a weird problem...
[09:23] <Neo_654> anyone know a good torrent site for finding distro torrents?
[09:24] <Soulstorm> still the mouse thing, but I think I know what is wrong
[09:24] <Rotundo> tigerfirestorm: I've been a debian user since '96
[09:24] <Soulstorm> can anybody tell me how to set the sync speed with my mouse
[09:24] <tigerfirestorm> everybody gets a root under linux excpet the virgins! :-)
[09:25] <Soulstorm> is there no config file where I can set the speed a bit slower
[09:25] <Soulstorm> ??
[09:25] <tigerfirestorm> see whta i mean !
[09:25] <r3v3rb> crazy people. what am i doing wrong. i have a completely fresh install from a warty cd. yet still the OOo autopilot refuses to work
[09:26] <estebandido> i'm getting an error that nautilus can't be used. if i delete my gnome prefs, will that fix it?
[09:26] <tigerfirestorm> uninstall and reinstall the ooo from synaptic
[09:26] <r3v3rb> ok
[09:26] <r3v3rb> will try
[09:26] <tigerfirestorm> check your cd md5 also
[09:26] <r3v3rb> is it a known problem ?
[09:27] <r3v3rb> cd is fine. ;) from a cover disk here in da uk
[09:27] <tigerfirestorm> i just reinstall and had a bad ooo...list deb pkg list file
[09:27] <r3v3rb> also can i run xfce on warty ?
[09:27] <tigerfirestorm> had to hack the file to make synaptic work then removed and re-installed tha packed to fix it!
[09:27] <Rotundo> r3v3rb: apt-get install abiword-gnome :)
[09:28] <Freedomzen> any amd64 users here or is there another channel
[09:28] <Freedomzen> ?
[09:28] <klaym_> if I want to reinstall two programs, do I do it like this: 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall gnome-panel gnome-core' ?
[09:28] <Soulstorm> how do i set my mouse to 1200 ???
[09:28] <tigerfirestorm> package sorry
[09:28] <tigerfirestorm> run synaptic!
[09:28] <r3v3rb> rotundo :P
[09:29] <Freedomzen> Soulstorm: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/276386
[09:29] <estebandido> hey, i need to know if i should delete my gnome prefs
[09:29] <Rotundo> estebandito: what is your error message?
[09:29] <randabis> r3v3rb, you can fun xfce on warty just fine
[09:30] <bobalien> out of curiousity - is rebooting gnome (Ctrl + Alt + Bkspce) any different than logging in / logging out?
[09:30] <estebandido> nautilus can't be used now
[09:30] <bobalien> er, logging out / logging in
[09:30] <tigerfirestorm> for the user in the home dir is ok - you can create another new user and copy accross
[09:30] <Wad> hi all
[09:30] <Soulstorm> Freedomzen - that was EggZackly what I was looking for
[09:30] <tigerfirestorm> cp  -a /home/newuser/* /home/olduser/
[09:30] <Soulstorm> I've been battling for ages and not even google wanted to talk to me :(
[09:31] <randabis> bobalien yes, I believe ctrl alt backspace completely kills the x server and restarts it while logging in and out just takes you back to the login screen
[09:31] <bobalien> thnks
[09:31] <bobalien> just curious
[09:31] <Rotundo> estebandido: does it give a reason?
[09:32] <Sav> Can anyone recomend a good texteditor with ftp and color code. Im used to HomeSidae in windows and need a simular to ubuntu =)
[09:32] <randabis> also ctrl alt backspace won't save your settings while logging out and back in will
[09:32] <r3v3rb> randabis just found it in synaptic ! :)
[09:32] <Soulstorm> Sav - try bluefish
[09:32] <randabis> r3v3rb, cool, but that's an older version I recommend getting the new version from www.xfce.org
[09:32] <Sav> ok ill check it out, any other suggestions?
[09:32] <estebandido> Rotundo: unexpected error
[09:32] <Soulstorm> Screem
[09:33] <estebandido> it says to kill the bonobo server
[09:33] <r3v3rb> ok
[09:33] <estebandido> i've restarted several times
[09:33] <r3v3rb> will do randabis
[09:33] <BockBilbo> hello
[09:33] <BockBilbo> can anyoen tell me how hard is to configue the bootsplah package?
[09:34] <r3v3rb> whats the xfree config command again chaps
[09:34] <Rotundo> estebandido: have you tried bonobo-slay
[09:34] <r3v3rb> what to change my video driver !
[09:34] <Wad> I want to know if someone  tried to install E17 on hoary ?
[09:35] <estebandido> no... do i just put that on the command line?
[09:35] <yukonjack> I wrote a How to change boot splash posted on Ubuntu forum
[09:36] <Rotundo> estebandido: yes
[09:36] <estebandido> i'l try it
[09:36] <yukonjack> BockBilbo is that what you mean
[09:37] <estebandido> still not working
[09:37] <Rotundo> hmm
[09:37] <estebandido> it says the settings daemon restarted too many times
[09:37] <Wad> estebandido : how did you instal it, because, when i try apt-get install enlightenment, it install E16.6 and i can't use it because i haven't got left-click menu ?
[09:38] <estebandido> from the cd i got in the mail
[09:38] <Wad> the cd ?
[09:38] <estebandido> yes
[09:38] <Rotundo> wad: the ubuntu cd of course
[09:38] <estebandido> yes
[09:39] <Rotundo> estebandido: and you can run everything but nautilus?
[09:39] <estebandido> i created a new user and logged in in xnest... same thing
[09:39] <estebandido> yes
[09:40] <r3v3rb> Rotundo, do you know how i can change the video driver under ubuntu
[09:40] <Rotundo> r3v3rb: you can manually edit your XF86Config (or whatever the x.org name is)
[09:40] <Orbo> looking for help, google couldnt find anything
[09:41] <estebandido> i can kill the bonobo activation server, but nautilus won't restart
[09:41] <Orbo> mplayer installs fine through synaptic, but there don't seem to be any sort of gui libraries or anything
[09:41] <Orbo> doesn't* seem
[09:41] <Rotundo> r3v3rb: or "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" would be how I would do it on debian
[09:43] <Rotundo> orbo: do you have a gmplayer  executable
[09:43] <estebandido> Rotundo: it says the authentication was rejected
[09:44] <Rotundo> orbo: /usr/bin/gmplayer is a link to /usr/bin/mplayer but starts it with a gui for me (I am running debian unstable here)
[09:44] <Rotundo> estebandido: are you trying to run it as a different user?
[09:45] <estebandido> not any more
[09:45] <estebandido> will deleting the prefs take care of this?
[09:45] <Rotundo> estebandido: have you tried killing everything that was remotely related to bonobo and then logging in ?
[09:45] <estebandido> no... i'll try that
[09:45] <Rotundo> estebandido: you could try that... maybe create a new user and log in
[09:46] <BockBilbo> .. yukojackkk
[09:46] <BockBilbo> :S
[09:46] <bodhi> i upgraded my kernel from 386 to 686, then gdm and xfree crashed and i had to change to nv driver, any idea?
[09:47] <BockBilbo> anyone knows where does yukojank have that howto???
[09:47] <Rotundo> bodhi: go back to 386 :)
[09:47] <tritium> hmm, I have to press power button twice after suspend to RAM
[09:47] <sri|work> how is hoary treating all of you?
[09:47] <bodhi> sure :)
[09:47] <sri|work> safe to upgrade to hoary from warty?
[09:47] <estebandido> still not working
[09:47] <estebandido> couldn
[09:48] <estebandido> 't register the panel with bonobo-activation-server
[09:48] <estebandido> so, now there's nothing at all on the screen except the pointer
[09:48] <J-jayz-Z> hey guys
[09:48] <Rotundo> estebandido: have you considered a different desktop? hehe - try a fresh user or delete all your prefs.
[09:48] <estebandido> ... that's what i was asking about
[09:48] <tritium> I think hdparm runs too early in boot sequence.  /dev/hdb (my cdrom) does not exist when /etc/init.d/hdparm is executed
[09:49] <J-jayz-Z> anybody of you has got a good/actual /etc/apt/sources.list of ubuntu for me ?
[09:49] <estebandido> should i delete .gconf and/or .gconfd?
[09:49] <godsmoke> what does that mean?
[09:50] <J-jayz-Z> a have got this one, ubuntu brought with ...
[09:50] <tritium> bodhi, you were using nvidia?
[09:50] <godsmoke> J-jayz-Z: I'm sorry, you're not making sense
[09:50] <bodhi> yrs, tritium
[09:50] <J-jayz-Z> godsmoke: why ?
[09:50] <tritium> bodhi, did you also install linux-restricted-modules -686 ?
[09:50] <gro> sri|work: define "safe"? ;)
[09:50] <godsmoke> J-jayz-Z: the words you're typing aren't making sentences I can understand
[09:50] <defile> J-jayz-Z, have you looked at ubuntuguide.org?
[09:51] <tritium> bodhi, you'll need that for nvidia driver
[09:51] <bodhi> no ... tritium
[09:51] <tritium> not just the kernel
[09:51] <bodhi> ok
[09:51] <tritium> that's your problem
[09:51] <sladen> tritium: pong
[09:51] <tritium> get the linux-restricted-modules that exactly matches the version of your kernel
[09:51] <J-jayz-Z> defile: is there a actual one?
[09:51] <tritium> sladen, hey there.  I hope you received my ubuntu grub splash image via email
[09:52] <J-jayz-Z> i dont know this page...
[09:52] <sri|work> gro, basically, nothing crashes, things work as advertised etc etc.  mono isn't broken :)
[09:52] <sladen> tritium: ah yes
[09:52] <duncanm> hello
[09:52] <duncanm> i updated my machine running hoary
[09:52] <defile> J-jayz-Z, it has some handy sources listed there
[09:52] <duncanm> i have the 2.6.10-2 kernel running
[09:52] <tritium> sladen, okay, glad to know.
[09:52] <duncanm> but if i try to use 2.6.10-2.smp, it doesn't work
[09:53] <J-jayz-Z> defile: i mean the server for new/actual software...
[09:53] <Rotundo> estebandido: I can not tell you what to delete - sorry
[09:53] <estebandido> well, i went ahead a tried .gconf
[09:53] <defile> J-jayz-Z, okay, now I'm on the same boat as tritium
[09:53] <estebandido> now restarting
[09:53] <bodhi> tritium: i am downloading linux-restricted .... i will tell you later, ty
[09:53] <estebandido> what the hell, i only installed it last night
[09:53] <tritium> defile, meaning?
[09:54] <tritium> bodhi, okay.  good luck ;)
[09:54] <defile> apt-get install J-jayz-Z2_en
[09:54] <J-jayz-Z> i mean the ftp server in the /etc/apt/sources.list for the software
[09:54] <Rotundo> estebandido: my install last night (first time for ubuntu) went quite well.
[09:54] <tritium> sladen, any thoughts on my idea?
[09:55] <estebandido> my install was fine, but i have ancient hardware
[09:55] <J-jayz-Z> defile: im 17 and not master in english ;p
[09:55] <estebandido> my laptop cuts out if you close the top past 90 degrees
[09:55] <tritium> defile, what boat are we in together?
[09:55] <gro> sri|work: main should be stable enough, universe has some problems (streamtuner, spambayes), some mono packages seems to work/install (f-spot) others don't (muine, monodevelop);)
[09:56] <defile> J-jayz-Z, it's cool, but if you go to the ubuntuguide.org site, it has a listing of some sources that you can put in your sources.list
[09:56] <Rotundo> estebandido: are you running warty or hoary
[09:56] <defile> tritium, not being able to make much sense out of J-jayz-Z
[09:56] <J-jayz-Z> maybe someone has a ready one for me?everytime i do this, my ubuntu sucks because of not installt packages...
[09:57] <estebandido> warty (on ppc)
[09:57] <Orbo> Rotundo: I checked my /usr/bin file and found gmplayer
[09:57] <Orbo> but its highlighted in a light blue color
[09:57] <estebandido> i think i'll just reinstall
[09:57] <tritium> defile, oh...hadn't noticed
[09:57] <defile> J-jayz-Z, are you using sudo?
[09:57] <estebandido> or can i force apt-get nautilus
[09:57] <estebandido> ?
[09:57] <J-jayz-Z> defile: i did sudo passwd root
[09:59] <defile> J-jayz-Z, are you running 'apt-get update' after you edit your sources?
[09:59] <Rotundo> estebandido: apt-get --reinstall install nautilus
[09:59] <J-jayz-Z> defile: yes, everytime
[09:59] <estebandido> ok, i'll do that
[09:59] <estebandido> do i need to do bonobo as well?
[10:00] <Orbo> when I run gmplayer in the terminal several messages pop up
[10:00] <Orbo> Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[10:00] <Orbo> Warning unknown option skin at line 50
[10:00] <Orbo> Reading config file /home/cam/.mplayer/config
[10:00] <Orbo> MPlayer was compiled WITHOUT GUI support.
[10:00] <Orbo> Reading /home/cam/.mplayer/codecs.conf: Can't open '/home/cam/.mplayer/codecs.conf': No such file or directory
[10:00] <Orbo> Reading /etc/mplayer/codecs.conf: 73 audio & 180 video codecs
[10:00] <Orbo> Usage:   mplayer [options]  [url|path/] filename
[10:00] <defile> J-jayz-Z, anything in particular you're trying to install?
[10:00] <Orbo> I see that I didnt compile with gui support
[10:00] <Rotundo> orbo: do you see the line that says it was compiled without gui support
[10:00] <Rotundo> orbo: thats your problem
[10:00] <Orbo> can i do this through synaptic?
[10:00] <Orbo> I know that now rotundo
[10:01] <Orbo> or am I going to have to do a source install
[10:01] <Rotundo> orbo: do what? how did you install mplayer? with the marillat archive?
[10:01] <defile> J-jayz-Z, and don't feel bad, your English is still much better than my German
[10:01] <Orbo> the marillat archive?
[10:01] <Orbo> is that another url i have to add to source.list
[10:02] <J-jayz-Z> Orbo: search at www.apt-get.org for mplyer-gui, put this server in your /etc/apt/sources.list , run apt-get update and install it with apt-get install mplayer-gui
[10:02] <Rotundo> orbo: yes
[10:02] <Rotundo> orbo: did you compile yourself?
[10:02] <SirFred> Hi.
[10:02] <Orbo> no, rotundo, did a synaptic install
[10:02] <SirFred> Is there any way to change the gui font on Openoffice (hoary)
[10:03] <tritium> mjg59, any ideas come to mind on resume requiring power button to be pressed twice?
[10:03] <SirFred> It looks really fuzzy on my laptop, and also the latin1 characters are not showed (only squares instead of)
[10:03] <gro> haggai, ogra : what is the current procedure to report universe bugs?
[10:03] <Orbo> J-jayz-Z, two servers came up with the packages, one for sarge, the other for woody
[10:03] <Orbo> does it matter which distro I use for ubuntu
[10:03] <J-jayz-Z> Orbo: use the woody one
[10:03] <Orbo> theyre both .deb
[10:04] <Orbo> k
[10:04] <J-jayz-Z> Orbo: here you are on stable side ;p
[10:04] <ogra> gro: mail one of us or report them to the mailing list....(we are working on a better solution)
[10:04] <Orbo> J-jayz-Z, why woody?
[10:04] <Orbo> just curious
[10:04] <J-jayz-Z> Orbo: woody is "stable" in linux
[10:05] <Rotundo> orbo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/view?searchterm=mplayer
[10:05] <haggai> SirFred: what desktop are you using
[10:05] <Nonphasis> how can I file bugs in Hoary?
[10:06] <Orbo> Rotundo, thanks
[10:06] <Nonphasis> bugzilla only lists packages for warty
[10:06] <J-jayz-Z> cu guys and thx
[10:06] <haggai> gro: we're currently in the process of deciding whether we can use Malone, or we must use bugzilla
[10:06] <NanoTek> Bye !
[10:07] <haggai> oh sorry I missed ogra's reply
[10:07] <haggai> r3v3rb: the OOo autopilots need a java-enabled OOo to work, I'm afraid
[10:07] <ogra> haggai: i was told malone could be ready in about a week...
[10:07] <SirFred> haggai: Gnome.
[10:08] <r3v3rb> and ubuntu isn't java enabled ?
[10:08] <r3v3rb> haggai ?
[10:08] <haggai> r3v3rb: not sun's java, license is too restrictive
[10:08] <gro> ok, thx ogra and haggai: you'll hear from me ;)
[10:08] <r3v3rb> bugga
[10:08] <r3v3rb> is there no way round it haggai?
[10:08] <haggai> SirFred: it should pick up Gnome's defaults, providing you have the openoffice.org-[gtk-] -gnome installed
[10:09] <haggai> r3v3rb: install openoffice.org-java.  Unfortunately it seems to have gone missing and needs rebuilding
[10:09] <_martin> SirFred, have you looked at ubuntuguide.org and adding more fonts to your system?
[10:09] <haggai> r3v3rb: it was living on one of the developers' websites
[10:09] <r3v3rb> also is it a bug in hoary that the wireless conf doesn't work properly ?
[10:09] <SirFred> haggai: Thanks.
[10:09] <SirFred> haggai: I didn't have that package installed.
[10:10] <r3v3rb> when i set up the wireless is always forgets the settings on reboot
[10:10] <r3v3rb> plus the old setting dialog was much better in warty guys
[10:10] <SirFred> haggai: wow, what a difference.
[10:11] <toby1knby> hello all, anyone got an idea on why I can`t  get mencoder to install?
[10:11] <haggai> SirFred: heh :)
[10:12] <SirFred> haggai: But the "save as" dialog seems to crash it
[10:13] <SirFred> Humm, not at twice
[10:13] <SirFred> It's using the modern gtk file chooser widget.
[10:14] <SirFred> Great
[10:17] <Orbo> J-jayz-Z: when I add that server, do I have to put anything after it, i.e. universe multiverse?
[10:19] <swim> ehrm
[10:19] <swim> anyone know how to use gtk-gnutella? I installed it from repos, and now I cant seem to find an executable for it
[10:20] <snowblink> swim: ALT+F2
[10:20] <snowblink> swim: then type gtk-gnutella
[10:20] <jmhodges> ok, this is  a silly question.. but ican't seem to open up a deb with gunzip.. i renamed it to a .tar.gz, and file claims its compressed with gzip, but no luck
[10:20] <jmhodges> archive manager handles it fine however..
[10:20] <swim> snowblink, thats what I mean I cant find the gtk-gnutella executable... I know how to use the cli
[10:20] <snowblink> jmhodges: man dpkg
[10:21] <jmhodges> ah,
[10:21] <jmhodges> silly me
[10:21] <swim> ...
[10:22] <azeem> heya
[10:22] <azeem> anybody using multisync on hoary in here?
[10:23] <ogra> swim: dpkg --listfiles gtk-gnutella|grep bin
[10:24] <jmhodges> hmm.. its not leaping out at me in the man file.. is there a qucik and easy way of just deleting a single file from a deb?
[10:24] <calamari_> hi
[10:24] <erik> i'd imagine so
[10:24] <swim> ogra, hrmm odd it returned /usr/bin ... but there isnt anything in /usr/bin named gtk-gnutella or gnutella
[10:24] <snowblink> swim: what version of gtk-gnutella are you installing?
[10:25] <calamari_> what command do I use to get a list of my current ip addresses (console)
[10:25] <swim> snowblink, lemme check
[10:25] <daeghnao> I have a ThinkPad R40E and a warty CD, and the installer seems to stop when it's starting syslogd/klogd
[10:25] <snowblink> calamari_: ifconfig -a
[10:25] <ogra> swim: it should have returned the full name of a binary....
[10:25] <swim> snowblink, Ive installed 0.95-2
[10:26] <swim> ogra, hrmm very odd, that it did not
[10:26] <calamari_> snowblink: thanks
[10:26] <daeghnao> Wondering if there's a boot option that will try to do something different, or if we should try something other than warty?
[10:26] <snowblink> swim: I got my deb straight off their site
[10:27] <snowblink> swim: 0.95 stable
[10:27] <swim> snowblink, mine was in one of the repos...
[10:27] <aalion> bah tried everything still that gay error 18
[10:28] <swim> snowblink, off whose site, ubuntu?
[10:28] <snowblink> swim: the sf site
[10:28] <swim> ah
[10:29] <jmhodges> gah, getting lost in debhelper etc
[10:30] <daeghnao> Any ideas guys? I thought we were getting somewhere when we solved the framebuffer issue, but all the googling since has come up with nothing for this particular problem...
[10:30] <Kinema> are there any docs on how to install modify a ubuntu iso to include a custom kernel and install on a nonsupported filesystem?
[10:30] <Osis> Has anyone Setup a DWL-G630 Cardbus on Unbuntu???
[10:31] <nir> what could be the cause of slow very network access, some site are not reachable
[10:31] <azeem> Kinema: I think so, check the the wiki
[10:31] <azeem> anybody using multisync on hoary in here who wants to try out new .debs?
[10:31] <nir> I see "resolving host www.google.com"
[10:31] <nir> ?
[10:31] <nir> and it ends with timout
[10:32] <azeem> nir: check /etc/resolv.conf
[10:32] <moquist_> anybody here conversant with Radeon video card conf issues?
[10:32] <ks> oh
[10:32] <ks> nice!
[10:32] <ks> finally found a place about ubuntu :)
[10:32] <ks> hello everyone
[10:32] <moquist_> hi ks
[10:32] <tritium> hi ks
[10:32] <melazyboy2> moquist: don't ask to ask
[10:32] <ogra> moquist_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDirverHowto
[10:33] <moquist> ogra: been there, tried that.
[10:33] <ks> so.. got a tricky question for you guys :)
[10:33] <melazyboy2> ks: congrats
[10:33] <sri|work> the upstream is frozen..so..
[10:33] <ks> I own a Shuttle SN45G, running winXP on a 200Gb HD. I want to install ubuntu on a separate HD, which will be plugged in using USB...
[10:34] <ks> everything goes well... except I can't boot
[10:34] <moquist> Maybe my problem is a generic apt question - when I attempt to install "fglrx-driver", I get "The following packages have unmet deps... fglrx-driver deps on xorg-driver-fglrx but it is not going to be installed, blah blah blah.  if I apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx it has no problem.  If I then go back to apt-get install fglrx-driver, I get the same error.
[10:34] <ks> got a kernel panick while booting :(
[10:34] <azeem> moquist: warty?
[10:34] <daeghnao> ks: I didn't even get a kernel panic, I just get the computer stopping during booting from the install CD
[10:34] <moquist> azeem: Hoary.
[10:34] <swim> snowblink, know if there is an amd64 version of the binaries for gtk-gnutella about? read in forums that the problem is not just mine, the hoary repos version of gtk-gnutella is missing the bin file... so someone posted a wrokaround just get the debian package and move that executable to /usr/bin and everything works, but Im using ubuntu hoary amd64 ...
[10:34] <azeem> moquist: might be broken then
[10:35] <moquist> azeem: the error mentions xfree86-driver-fglrx too, but since I've got xorg I ignored that part.  (the error says "xorg.* OR xfree86.*"
[10:35] <moquist> )
[10:35] <snowblink> swim: dunno sorry. I'm using 32bit
[10:35] <ks> daeghnao are you installing your ubuntu on an USB HD too ?
[10:35] <azeem> moquist: no idea, I don't run hoary
[10:35] <farruinn> moquist: check the versions of the packages required and what is available
[10:35] <daeghnao> ks: No, on am IBM ThinkPad. Well, trying to.
[10:35] <ks> oh ok
[10:35] <farruinn> moquist: make sure you've run an apt-get update
[10:35] <moquist> farruinn: they match.  xorg-driver-fglrx = 6.8.0-8.8.25
[10:36] <duncanm> do i need to do anything to configure a kernel?
[10:36] <melazyboy2> moquist: If you have xorg, then why are you trying to install the NONXORG DRIVER?!?!!?! =/
[10:36] <daeghnao> It's really very stopped. No spinning noises or flashing lights.
[10:36] <ks> well the installation went damn fine with me, but something's weird with USB support
[10:36] <duncanm> i have both 2.6.10-2 and 2.6.10-2-smp, the smp one doesn't work
[10:36] <moquist> farruinn: k, haven't done *upgrade* today, though I've done update.
[10:36] <ks> I've heard it's not ubuntu itself that is the problem, but it's just Linux in general
[10:36] <moquist> melazyboy2: er, I'm not.
[10:36] <farruinn> moquist: I think melazyboy2 is saying fglrx-driver is for xfree86?
[10:37] <melazyboy2> moquist: fglrx-driver, is Xfree86. you just said your using xorg, and complaining about that not installing, that doesn't install for xorg -- its not supposed to its for a different xwindow system
[10:37] <moquist> farruinn, melazyboy2: oh - well that's anything but obvious then.  :)
[10:37] <moquist> melazyboy2: k, gotcha.
[10:37] <kent> is there some good program that can test the bandwidth of my adsl-line?
[10:37] <moquist> melazyboy2: when I get this working, I'll have to update the Wiki.  :)
[10:38] <melazyboy2> you won't get it working its impossible...
[10:38] <moquist> kent: there are quite a few website-based BW tests out there.
[10:38] <melazyboy2> ati cards that work are an urban legend
[10:38] <moquist> melazyboy2: oh?  the xorg-driver-fglrx package will not do the required tricks?
[10:38] <ks> guys, check out these photos I've taken: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9796
[10:39] <ks> seems nasty
[10:39] <moquist> melazyboy2: heh - not very positive there on ATI, are you?  :)
[10:39] <ks> I'm no linux pro, but ubuntu is so nice I def want it on my computer ;)
[10:39] <moquist> melazyboy2: I've got a friend with a Radeon in the same class as mine, and his works with Xorg in Gentoo, and Radeon provides Xorg drivers on their site.
[10:39] <daeghnao> I think we may have to abandon this ubuntu idea and go try something else, it's really not liking it.
[10:39] <jdub> ks: so, this means that the initrd doesn't include everything it needs to boot properly
[10:40] <jdub> ks: and i can assure you that our default initrd doesn't have usb drivers and usb-storage :)
[10:40] <ks> jdub ah that's a start
[10:40] <melazyboy2> moquist: It might for you, there are problems with the ATI sources, 2 months late on a driver delivery and they deliver a bugged product, the ubuntu team is supposed to have a patch that fixes the failed calls to a depreciated function however when i applied the patch they did not work for me; not to say they won't work for you -- in the event your using a ubuntu bin kernel, which im not but that should not effect anything because 
[10:40] <calamari_> do I want to use sendmail to send an e-mail from the console, or is there something better?
[10:40] <timo_> hi
[10:40] <ks> so I just need to write a new initrd right ? Thing is... how can I do that ?
[10:40] <timo_> anyone here?
[10:40] <jdub> ks: so what you'd need to do is change the mkinitrd configuration and build a new initrd;
[10:40] <moquist> melazyboy2: you got truncated at "effect anything because"
[10:40] <swim> hay peeps how do I extract a package?
[10:40] <snowblink> calamari_: mutt, mailx
[10:40] <melazyboy2> I will never buy another radeon again.
[10:40] <jdub> ks: unfortunately, the easiest way to do that is to boot the system ;)
[10:41] <timo_> Can i ask some1 a question?
[10:41] <ks> heheheh
[10:41] <ks> well
[10:41] <mandrake_> Salux
[10:41] <jdub> ks: so, do you have a live cd?
[10:41] <melazyboy2> moquist: thats your client then
[10:41] <ks> I have 30s of it
[10:41] <jdub> ks: oh, wait, you have an install cd
[10:41] <jdub> ks: boot your install cd
[10:41] <mandrake_> I have a problem in Ubuntu
[10:41] <jdub> ks: can you talk to me at the same time?
[10:41] <timo_> Who can help me?
[10:41] <ks> I'm working in a computer shop, I'm spreading them :)
[10:41] <farruinn> swim: .deb? sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[10:41] <jdub> ks: excellent :-)
[10:41] <melazyboy2> moquist: ///* my kernel also has all the ubuntu patches
[10:41] <ks> jdub nope can't do :(
[10:41] <jdub> ks: so boot with your install cd
[10:41] <jdub> ks: oh
[10:41] <moquist> k, I've got another question, then: what video cards do you recommend for dual-LCD display?  no gaming requirements.
[10:41] <timo_> jdub
[10:41] <mandrake_> i havent got sound
[10:41] <swim> farruinn, that installs...
[10:41] <azeem> farruinn: that's for install, not extract
[10:41] <daeghnao> Ah well, thanks for listening guys. A pity our problem isn't solvable just now.
[10:42] <jdub> ks: any way you can do stuff and still talk to me?
[10:42] <mandrake_> someone can help me ?
[10:42] <swim> dpkg --extract
[10:42] <azeem> (which might be what swim had in mind, granted)
[10:42] <moquist> mandrake_: maybe.  :)
[10:42] <jdub> ks: this'll be hard to do if i have to give you all the instructions first
[10:42] <ks> jdub nope I only have 1PC here
[10:42] <daeghnao> Night-night
[10:42] <farruinn> swim, azeem, didn't know what he meant, just made a guess
[10:42] <melazyboy2> moquist: Anything made by NVidea
[10:42] <ks> unless you're in France and I can call you :D
[10:42] <azeem> swim: dpkg-deb -x $DEB.deb .
[10:42] <jdub> ks: okay, in that case, get the livecd
[10:42] <azeem> swim: extracts to ., i.e. the current dir
[10:42] <moquist> er, bye mandrake_.
[10:42] <jdub> ks: then you can run xchat and play with the usb disk at the same time :-)\
[10:42] <ks> jdub just give me some hints I'll note them
[10:42] <calamari_> snowblink: sorry, I misrepresented my question, since you said mutt.  I'm looking for something automated (basically when I get online it will send me an e-mail so I know what my ip is and I can connect remotely) :)  the ifconfig part is good.  Just need to send the mail now :)
[10:42] <ks> LOL
[10:42] <ks> :)
[10:42] <timo_> Does anyone know why my internet browser is so slow?
[10:43] <swim> kool thx azeem
[10:43] <timo_> Does anyone know why my internet browser is so slow?
[10:43] <jdub> ks: well, you need to boot another way (install, live), then mount and chroot into your usb installation
[10:43] <calamari_> snowblink: do I want sendmail for that?
[10:43] <duncanm> hey jdub!
[10:43] <jdub> ks: then you need to modify the mkinitrd config to add the usb drivers and ensure they're loaded
[10:43] <melazyboy2> uh calamari_ how about a line in ifup that runs ifconfig and captures output to a file in /var/log/messages ?
[10:43] <ks> hum
[10:43] <jdub> yo duncanm
[10:43] <ks> sounds pretty easy
[10:43] <duncanm> jdub: so, i have 2.6.10.2 and 2.6.10.2.smp
[10:43] <jdub> ks: then build the new initrd, and reboot
[10:43] <ks> argh*
[10:43] <ks> build ? :)
[10:43] <duncanm> jdub: is there some magic to make the smp kernel work?
[10:44] <calamari_> melazyboy2: how is that going to get into my inbox? :)
[10:44] <jdub> ks: using mkinitrd, there's no compiling involved
[10:44] <duncanm> jdub: i'm running ubuntu at home so i can check out the new GNOME stuff ;-)
[10:44] <calamari_> I'm not in front of my computer
[10:44] <snowblink> calamari_: ah. In a script, then you go right ahead
[10:44] <ks> jdub oooh allright
[10:44] <melazyboy2> calamari_: Are you wanting it in a pop3 inbox or your local linux inbox?
[10:44] <jdub> duncanm: if you installed smp after, it should be the primary selected kernel
[10:44] <ks> jdub I'll try to find some documentation on this
[10:44] <ks> thanks for your time
[10:44] <calamari_> melazy: pop3
[10:44] <duncanm> jdub: it is
[10:44] <azeem> anybody using multisync on hoary in here who wants to try out new .debs?
[10:44] <jdub> duncanm: so what's not working? :)
[10:44] <duncanm> jdub: but somehow, it kernel panics when it couldn't find my root partition
[10:45] <duncanm> jdub: i have an XFS partition on root
[10:45] <jdub> duncanm: sounds like the initrd wasn't built correctly
[10:45] <melazyboy2> calamari_: Thats slightly more difficult; and a pretty crummy solution why not just get no-ip or dyndns ? free solutions
[10:45] <snowblink> snowblink: perhaps dynamic dns might be better
[10:45] <jdub> duncanm: the other kernel works fine?
[10:45] <duncanm> jdub: yeah
[10:45] <snowblink> calamari_: heh
[10:45] <duncanm> 2.6.8 smp works too
[10:45] <jdub> duncanm: oh, interesting
[10:46] <melazyboy2> calamari_: google for no-ip.com, and dyndns.org, both have service packages avail for linux
[10:46] <melazyboy2> calamari_: free too might i add
[10:46] <jdub> duncanm: mkinitrd -o <initrd-file-in-/boot> 2.6.10-2-686-smp
[10:46] <jdub> duncanm: if you're using the 686 kernel
[10:47] <jdub> duncanm: that'll rebuild the initrd, see if that works
[10:47] <timo_> WHO CAN HELP ME?
[10:47] <duncanm> aha
[10:47] <melazyboy2> timo_: see topic
[10:47] <duncanm> jdrowell: i see
[10:47] <duncanm> eek
[10:47] <duncanm> jdub: i see
[10:48] <duncanm> jdub: i only have initrd.img-2.6.10-2-386, but not the one for the SMP
[10:48] <calamari_> melazy: will do.. thanks :)
[10:48] <timo_> lazyboy
[10:48] <timo_> what topic?
[10:48] <jdub> duncanm: hmm
[10:48] <timo_> im new to linux
[10:48] <jdub> duncanm: have a look in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:48] <calamari_> melazy: I knew about dyndns.. but long ago I remembered they took a while to update and weren't too happy about dial-up users.. maybe it's changed
[10:48] <azeem> timo_: just ask
[10:48] <snowblink> timo_: what problem are you having?
[10:48] <jdub> duncanm: in the 2.6.10-2-686-smp section, does it mention an initrd?
[10:48] <timo_> well
[10:49] <azeem> timo_: don't ask whether you can ask
[10:49] <duncanm> jdub: nope
[10:49] <melazyboy2> the one that says this is the ubuntu support channel, and said last month 'don't ask to ask'
[10:49] <jdub> duncanm: seriously?
[10:49] <chrismurf> So - I'm trying to get M4A / AAC / MP4 (not encrypted - standard ones) support working with gstreamer / rhythmbox.  I have all the gst plugins installed, but it still doesn't work.
[10:49] <duncanm> yeah
[10:49] <duncanm> jdub: i ran apt-get upgrade on a day when i was seriously low on disk
[10:49] <timo_> my internet is really messed up, im new to linux, and if i try to go to www.google.com it takes up to 15 minutes to load
[10:49] <jdub> duncanm: paste that stanza to /query
[10:49] <timo_> while download speed is 300 kb/s
[10:49] <duncanm> jdub: so i think something bad might have happened then
[10:49] <melazyboy2> calamari_: You can use no-ip i use them personally works wonders
[10:49] <timo_> also, i cannot connect to MSN of whatever
[10:49] <jdub> duncanm: something 'different' certainly happened ;)
[10:49] <Rotundo> timo_: sounds like DNS issues
[10:50] <calamari_> melazy: thanks a lot
[10:50] <timo_> how do i fix that?
[10:50] <melazyboy2> timo_: is it the resolution that is taking them time i would first susspect
[10:50] <timo_> -_- resolution of my screen?
[10:50] <snowblink> timo_: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[10:50] <melazyboy2> timo_: Try this open up a console/terminal and ping an ip you have never pinged before, like excite.com or the like, see how long it takes to get the first responce
[10:50] <Rotundo> timo_: are you using DHCP?
[10:50] <timo_> ok
[10:51] <melazyboy2> timo_: You might have to remove your SEARCH options from your resolv.conf if you have them in tehre
[10:51] <timo_> wow
[10:51] <timo_> im totally new to this
[10:51] <timo_> so I dont know what anything is:P
[10:51] <timo_> but ill first ping something
[10:51] <azeem> ok, so nobody running multisync then
[10:51] <chrismurf> anybody know how to do AAC / MP4's under ubuntu?  I can't figure out what gstreamer plugin / whatever I am missing.
[10:52] <timo_> pinging excite.com
[10:52] <timo_> takes 114 ms
[10:52] <timo_> and waiiting
[10:52] <timo_> second
[10:52] <timo_> 115
[10:52] <melazyboy2> how long did it take to resolv excite.com
[10:52] <melazyboy2> 114ms/115ms isn't slow
[10:52] <timo_> just go in browser?
[10:52] <timo_> w8
[10:52] <timo_> ill enter excite.com in browser
[10:53] <snowblink> timo_: what browser are you using?
[10:53] <timo_> starting now
[10:53] <timo_> uuhhm
[10:53] <leduc> what is the real different between hoary array 3 or array 2 and the warty installer ?
[10:53] <timo_> firefox
[10:53] <kent> chrismurf, i dont know how gstreamer does it, but if you install totem-xine and the w32codecs, you will get it working, i think atleast it did for me.
[10:53] <ogra> timo_: i dont even get _any_ reply from excite.com
[10:53] <ogra> 32 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 31001ms
[10:53] <timo_> well
[10:53] <ogra> might be the net
[10:53] <timo_> lol
[10:53] <chrismurf> kent, thanks - I was trying to do it with the gstreamer support, but I may not be able to
[10:53] <timo_> well
[10:53] <timo_> remember when i said STARTING NOW
[10:53] <melazyboy2> timo_: Just try this in that same console that you used to ping excite.com type 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' and look for a SEARCH option
[10:54] <timo_> its still loading
[10:54] <leduc> because i have some problems with my cdrom detection in the installtion
[10:54] <timo_> not showing anything
[10:54] <leduc> nobody to help me ?
[10:55] <timo_> melazyboy
[10:55] <timo_> its says:
[10:55] <timo_> /lib/iptables
[10:55] <melazyboy2> timo_: you mean when you type "cat /etc/resolv.conf" you get nothing?
[10:55] <timo_> doh
[10:55] <timo_> yes
[10:55] <timo_> i do
[10:55] <timo_> it gives 192.168.1.1
[10:55] <timo_> twice
[10:55] <melazyboy2> hrm are you using a linksys?
[10:55] <timo_> linksys?
[10:55] <Rotundo> router
[10:55] <timo_> yes
[10:56] <timo_> i have a router
[10:56] <kent> openoffice2 is not the most stable program ever, i just loaded the openoffice calc and it crashed in a few minutes :)
[10:56] <melazyboy2> timo_: go to 192.168.1.1, use password admin go to settings copy down those ip addresses, then type this "sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf" and where you see 192.168.1.1 replace them with those numbers
[10:57] <timo_> ohw by the way... my excite had "already found out that the titlebar contains 'My excite'
[10:57] <timo_> ok 1 moment
[10:58] <ogra> kent: its not even there for a week.....give it time to stabilize (and file bugs indeed)
[10:58] <timo_> lazy
[10:58] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[10:58] <timo_> do i need to put MY IP there?
[10:58] <melazyboy2> no those ips you found under DNS in your routers config
[10:59] <haggai> kent: yes, please log problems you find, together with details of how to make it crash
[10:59] <snowblink> melazyboy2: is this a common linksys problem?
[10:59] <timo_> if i go to Dynamic DNS Setup there is nothing there
[10:59] <melazyboy2> snowblink: I had it =/
[11:00] <kent> haggai, will do it later then. Right now, i dont know excacly what went wrong. It just crashed, and that wont help much to know :)
[11:00] <calamari_> I'm assuming it's a security feature that I can't run sudo remotely, is that right?
[11:00] <timo_> lazy, nothing there, but my IP adress is 192.168.1.12 i think
[11:00] <usual> has there been issues with mono in hoary lately?
[11:00] <melazyboy2> snowblink: For some reason linux recieves the linksys bersf series as a dns server, rather than the dns ip addresses associated with the dhcp lease, some people claim the linksys can work as a dns server, however i find it EXTREMLY buggy when it does so i generally bypass it
[11:00] <haggai> kent: starting help makes it crash I know, but I haven't found other problems yet
[11:01] <snowblink> melazyboy2: I think I had similar issues with netgear router a while ago. Firmware upgrade seemed to sort it out.
[11:01] <melazyboy2> timo_: in your linksys menu, you see the option that says 'status'
[11:01] <melazyboy2> hit it
[11:02] <melazyboy2> you should see under WAN: 3 DNS addresses
[11:02] <timo_> melazy, resolve.conf contains: nameserver 192.168.1.1
[11:02] <timo_> yes
[11:02] <timo_> i c
[11:02] <timo_> ok
[11:02] <timo_> w8 ill look
[11:02] <melazyboy2> snowblink: my router hasn't had a firmware upgrade in 3years, linksys doesn't seem to maintain it
[11:03] <timo_> melazy
[11:03] <melazyboy2> whats up
[11:03] <timo_> there are 2 IP adresses there
[11:04] <timo_> LAN STATUS: IP ADRESS: 192.168.1.1
[11:04] <timo_> WAN STATUS IP ADRESS: 83.117.12.180
[11:04] <Bigglez> hi, anyone know how I can get a log of my bandwidth? I am new to ubu and ADSL
[11:04] <timo_> nothing on DNS
[11:04] <melazyboy2> timo_: click around then you should see it somewhere in there
[11:05] <snowblink> timo_: possible your upstream provider is having problems
[11:05] <timo_> nah, on windows PC internet is very fast
[11:05] <timo_> but i dont see DNS
[11:06] <timo_> maybe i dont have DNS?
[11:06] <Bigglez> No fancy Python stuff to log bandwidth maybe?
[11:06] <Rotundo> timo_: you need dns :)
[11:06] <timo_> ohw
[11:06] <timo_> :P
[11:06] <melazyboy2> timo_: if you didn't have dns you would have never been able to resolv google to an ip
[11:06] <timo_> lol
[11:06] <timo_> ok
[11:06] <snowblink> timo_: you have a working windows?
[11:06] <timo_> yes
[11:06] <timo_> other computer
[11:06] <snowblink> timo_: get DNS settings from there
[11:06] <timo_> how?
[11:06] <timo_> I can get into my router from here
[11:07] <Rotundo> timo_: you machine needs an ip to find another machine, dns is the way your machine finds what ip www.google.com (or anybody else) is
[11:07] <timo_> I have a draytec Vigor 2200E
[11:07] <timo_> ok
[11:07] <timo_> How do i make screenshots? ill send a screenie 2 some1
[11:07] <Rotundo> timo_: which windows is it
[11:07] <timo_> XP
[11:08] <Rotundo> timo_: I dont know how to get your DNS servers in XP... can you run "ipconfig" in a cmd prompt ?
[11:08] <timo_> sure one moment
[11:08] <timo_> be right back
[11:09] <melazyboy2> ipconfig/all
[11:09] <melazyboy2> does anyone have MS Windows Media Audio 2 (ffmpeg) working?
[11:10] <melazyboy2> Im having servere problems getting it up -- and i can't find one person w/ google that has it working
[11:10] <HauntedUnix> Ello all
[11:10] <timo_> back
[11:10] <LinuxJones> melazyboy2, that last line is hilarious
[11:10] <timo_> on that pc the IP is 192.168.1.13
[11:10] <timo_> so i think here it is 192.168.1.10
[11:11] <melazyboy2> LinuxJones: head in the gutter?
[11:11] <LinuxJones> :D
[11:11] <melazyboy2> LinuxJones: fix my damn ms wma 2 codec
[11:11] <Rotundo> timo_: if you type ipconfig/all on the windows box the output should list your DNS servers.
[11:11] <timo_> lol ok be right back again
[11:11] <Rotundo> timo_: those ips should go into your resolv.conf
[11:13] <timo_> back
[11:13] <timo_> i made screenshot
[11:13] <usual> does anyone happen to have the libdbus-cil package for hoary?
[11:13] <usual> maybe cached
[11:13] <usual> does anyone happen to have the libdbus-cil package for hoary?
[11:13] <usual> maybe cached
[11:14] <Rotundo> timo_: well what does it say ? did you find the DNS ?
[11:14] <timo_> well it gave 2 ip adresses at DNS
[11:14] <timo_> 192.168.1.1 (2 times
[11:14] <Rotundo> timo_: ok good
[11:14] <Rotundo> timo_: you need to "sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf"
[11:14] <timo_> did that
[11:14] <HauntedUnix> Got a friend who wants to try Ubuntu. The machine is a ThinkPad R40E, and we've been using a warty CD.  The first problem was that it wasn't switching at all to the framebuffer, but wequickly found out how to get it not to try.  Then it got as far as starting syslogd/klogd, at which point nothing further happens. The cursor sits there on the next line, tauntingly, and the drives stop whirring and the lights stop flashing.  It look
[11:15] <Rotundo> timo_: and put both the ip addresses in it, alone each on a line
[11:15] <duncanm> wow
[11:15] <timo_> nothing in front of it?
[11:15] <Rotundo> timo_: no
[11:15] <duncanm> with the 2.6.10 kernel, startup speed is now pretty snappy
[11:15] <timo_> save?
[11:15] <Rotundo> timo_: yes sor
[11:15] <Rotundo> oops
[11:15] <Rotundo> yes sir
[11:15] <Rotundo> hehe
[11:15] <timo_> did that
[11:15] <duncanm> what do i do when there are packages 'kept back'?
[11:16] <Rotundo> timo_: there you go
[11:16] <azeem> duncanm: apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:16] <timo_> w8 ill try
[11:16] <azeem> duncanm: or better, apt-get install them individually
[11:16] <duncanm> why are they kept back?
[11:16] <azeem> duncanm: it means that either they need other new packages installed along, or packages removed
[11:16] <azeem> duncanm: apt-get upgrade only upgrades it does not install/remove new packages
[11:17] <stvn> anyone else having problems with the newest evolution in hoary and not opening imap mail?
[11:17] <timo_> hmmmm
[11:17] <timo_> Rotundo
[11:17] <azeem> stvn: I heard about that, yes
[11:17] <timo_> If I Say ping excite.com
[11:17] <Rotundo> duncanm: for each kept-back one you can "apt-get install" and it will tell you why, either the new version conflicts with something you have installed (ansd thus will be removed) or it has new dependancies, and thus will be installed
[11:17] <timo_> unknown host
[11:18] <stvn> azeem: got any more info?
[11:18] <azeem> stvn: no
[11:18] <stvn> oh pity
[11:19] <snowblink> timo_: can you reach www.google.com on your windows box right now?
[11:20] <swim> snowblink, how did you compile gtk-gnutella, Im having problems, seems to compile fine but no bin file seems to appear anywhere
[11:21] <snowblink> swim: I didn't I got the deb package
[11:21] <resiak> I really hate myself for asking this question, but ... I'm attempting to fix0r ALSA on a buddy's Ubuntu box. The symptoms are remeniscent of my problems which I fixed (on Debian, FWIW) by blacklisting snd_intel8x0m, but his laptop is another breed of chip which apparently likes snd_atiixp. I'm suspicious that the problems could be, once again, modem-related. Any clues?
[11:21] <swim> ah
[11:22] <timo_> snowblink
[11:22] <timo_> ill try
[11:22] <timo_> STARTING
[11:24] <timo_> still seeking site
[11:24] <HaRDaWaY> mm i have problems when i try to enter in a windows directory, as My videos, because it appears as: My v?deos, i use nls=iso8859-15 in /etc/fstab, any idea?
[11:24] <timo_> no results
[11:24] <kent> haggai, (not sure it was you i spoke to recently though..) if i was to add a bug against oowriter2, what package should i specify in bugzilla? its not in the list of packages, and it should not get mixed with ordinary oowriter (i guess). Should i just write oowriter2?
[11:24] <timo_> snow dude
[11:25] <snowblink> timo_: this is on your windows box?
[11:25] <timo_> aah
[11:25] <timo_> no
[11:25] <timo_> on windows
[11:25] <timo_> its like instant
[11:25] <haggai> kent: um, that was going to be sorted out.  Can you file against openffice.org and put [openoffice2]  in the bug title
[11:26] <kent> haggai, ok. will do that.
[11:26] <Stiopa> hello
[11:26] <haggai> kent: thanks
[11:28] <swim> snowblink, what version of gtk-gnutella are you running?
[11:28] <snowblink> swim: 0.95 stable
[11:29] <swim> snowblink, and you got the package from ubuntu universe?
[11:29] <Stiopa> I switched from slack to ubuntu. I chown /home/user and almost everything works fine. The exception is KMail which doesn't want to connect to my @ and keeps saying: couldn't start pop3 proccess
[11:29] <melazyboy2> shit
[11:29] <melazyboy2> i can't find my phone
[11:29] <melazyboy2> wtf
[11:29] <snowblink> swim: from the sourceforge site
[11:29] <melazyboy2> need to get an rfid tag on that pos
[11:31] <Agamotto> Anyone willing to help try configure a USB 802.11 interface?
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> Agamotto: you'll need ndiswrapper
[11:33] <melazyboy2> HrdwrBoB: not always.
[11:33] <chrismurf> Anybody know anything about gstreamer-faad?  There's no package for it that I can find.  Anybody know about setting it up?
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[11:33] <melazyboy2> HrdwrBoB: thats only if you have a wifi card not nativly supported by linux
[11:33] <Agamotto> There is a utils package?  Coolies
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> melazyboy2: I haven't yet seen a usb wifi card that didn't need ndiswrapper
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> Agamotto: you'll also need linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[11:34] <snowblink> Agamotto: what card do you have?
[11:34] <Agamotto> Oh, I know mine isn't.  I have ndiswrapper installed, but need help.  Hold on a sec whilst I fetch the utils
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[11:34] <kent> haggai, is there some way to include a picture in a bugreport in ubuntus bugzilla? i can put it on my server and mention it on the url, but i cant say for sure that my computer will be online all the time :(
[11:34] <melazyboy2> god damit i hate loosing phones on viberate
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> kent: you can attach it
[11:35] <melazyboy2> this is going to drive me nuts
[11:35] <Agamotto> Ok, ndiswrapper-utils already installed
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> cool
[11:35] <Nafallo> hmm
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> Agamotto: got the windows drivers?
[11:35] <Agamotto> The card is a Siemens Speedstream USB box/card
[11:35] <Nafallo> is ssmtp or nullmailer preferred for a virtual server? :-P
[11:36] <jdub> Nafallo: nullmailer, not that i have any idea why you're sticking your tongue out about the quesiton.
[11:36] <Agamotto> HrdwrBoB:  Yep, ndiswrapper -l reports the driver
[11:36] <Agamotto> I am just not sure where to go from here
[11:36] <HrdwrBoB> oooh interesting sorry my bad, the siemens speedstram is a prism chipset
[11:36] <Nafallo> jdub: both seems to do the same and I can't decide :-P.
[11:36] <Nafallo> jdub: thanks btw :-)
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> Agamotto: prism is a supported chipset
[11:37] <Agamotto> hrm
[11:38] <Agamotto> If I open device manager, it shows up, but I can't get the comptuter to see it as wlan0, if I am following things correctly
[11:39] <Agamotto> I can usually puzzle out most things myself, but I am at a loss when it comes to wireless
[11:39] <snowblink> Agamotto: iwconfig
[11:40] <Agamotto> Reports no wireless extensions for the following:  lo wlan0 eth0 sit0
[11:42] <snowblink> melazyboy2: it was timo_'s DNS - made him get them from his ISP and put them in
[11:42] <Agamotto> I don't know if it helps, but ifconfig shows that both lo and eth0 are working on my system
[11:42] <swim> hay is there anyway to add an icon to a listing in gnome menu that doesnt have an icon?
[11:43] <snowblink> swim: right-click->properties
[11:43] <Agamotto> swim:  If memory servers, open nautilus and for location type:  ///system or whatever menu you want it to be in
[11:44] <swim> snowblink, i think your thinking about kde
[11:44] <swim> trying it Agamotto
[11:44] <swim> Agamotto, hrmm thats not it
[11:44] <timo_> snow
[11:44] <snowblink> swim: I'm on warty on GNOME
[11:45] <timo_> accidentally exited MIRC
[11:45] <rellik> is there some way to do 'hosts'-like associations for domain-name/alias instead of IP/alias?  my school uses DHCP and typing "ssh r01ptsmf8.desktop.umr.edu" every time I wanna ssh is a pain
[11:45] <swim> ah Im on hoary
[11:45] <azeem> swim: I think it depends on whether you run warty or hoary, they (GNOME) changed the menu in between
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> rellik: yes you could use 'hosts' :)
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> rellik: it's in /etc/hosts
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> sudo vi /etc/hosts
[11:45] <rellik> HrdwrBoB, /etc/hosts only works for IP/alias
[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> rellik: if you set the 'search' domain in /etc/resolv.cofn
[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> you can ssh to 'name'
[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> where name is name.searchdomain.com
[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> .conf btw in case you didn't guess
[11:49] <rellik> HrdwrBoB, heh cool thanks..  he resolv.conf trick is nice :)
[11:49] <HillTop> I was just looking at http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu-traffic/u20041217_17.html#6 and wonder what BOF means?? Thanks
[11:49] <jdub> HillTop: birds of a feather
[11:49] <jdub> HillTop: basically a meeting of people with similar interests
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> people interested in the same topics
[11:50] <mako> HillTop: like a workshop except often less structured
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> jdub: Kim spent hours last night on ebay buying random wedding 'stuff' like bottle stoppers and candles and stuff
[11:50] <azeem> reminds me of the SPI workshop in Oslo :)
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> and stressing that she didn't have everything organised
[11:51] <nightgoat> say, has anyone gotten Quake 3 to work with sound in Ubuntu Warty x86?
[11:51] <tritium> HrdwrBoB, getting married?
[11:51] <haggai> kent: attach it as a file attachment
[11:51] <HillTop> Thank you all, and in the security area, what is the issue with Chrooting?  I've been reading about remastering KNOPPIX and see that used there.
[11:51] <LinuxJones> nightgoat, I jsut got finished playing ;D
[11:52] <nightgoat> I get an error saying Could not mmap /dev/dsp
[11:52] <Agamotto> HillTop:  I don't even get the question :)
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> tritium: yeah
[11:52] <nightgoat> as well as some other things.
[11:52] <tritium> HrdwrBoB, congratulations!
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> tritium: thanks :)
[11:52] <tritium> :)
[11:52] <kent> haggai, i did. Its just that it confused me a bit, i attached it later on after filing the bug. On the page where i filed the bug, I found no way to attach the picture.
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> nightgoat: hang on a second I got it working yesterday
[11:52] <Agamotto> How did the old expression used to go ????  Felicitations and salutations
[11:53] <HillTop> chroot, change root to another kernel version. Can you do that if there is no root user?
[11:53] <BockBilbo> how do i restart the x server???
[11:53] <Osis> Has anyone Setup a DWL-G630 Cardbus on Unbuntu??? Stupid Ndis Won't work!!!
[11:53] <nightgoat> ok guys, thanks for checking, any help would be appreciated :)
[11:53] <rellik> BockBilbo, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[11:53] <Agamotto> So can I, I used to be  wedding planner
[11:53] <nightgoat> BockBilbo: try hitting Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[11:53] <BockBilbo> ive tried that...
[11:53] <BockBilbo> but then when loging in gdm
[11:53] <BockBilbo> it gives me errors
[11:53] <nightgoat> hmm.
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> nightgoat: echo "quake3.x86 0 0 direct" | sudo tee /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[11:54] <LinuxJones> BockBilbo, /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> echo "quake3.x86 0 0 disable" | sudo tee /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> run that
[11:54] <BockBilbo> thankss
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> then run quake3
[11:54] <nightgoat> let me give it a shot...
[11:55] <tritium> HrdwrBoB, that "sudo tee" reminds me that /etc/X11/xorg.conf still needs to be fixed
[11:55] <nightgoat> BockBilbo: have you tried killall -HUP gdm? That might work.
[11:55] <haggai> kent: thanks, I see it now.  You need to tell me what you changed from a standard ubuntu system.  I don't see such a problem and I need to be able to reproduce it
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> tritium: what's wrong with it?
[11:56] <tritium> HrdwrBoB, can't use sudo to "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf >/var/lib/xorg//etc/X11/xorg.conf.md5sum"
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> ah yes
[11:56] <tritium> and the double slash
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> double slash is not really a big deal but may as well fix at the same time
[11:56] <tritium> true
[11:57] <tritium> hello haggai
[11:58] <nightgoat> HrdwrBoB, LinuxJones: I ran the command there, and now I get the error "GETOSPACE: Invalid argument Umm.. Can't do GETOSPACE?"
[11:58] <haggai> tritium: ah, hi
[11:58] <tritium> :)
[11:58] <nightgoat> My guess is some kind of OSS/ALSA conversion thing
[11:58] <Agamotto> nightgoat:  Tried Ghettospace?
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> nightgoat: correct :)
[11:58] <nightgoat> Agamotto: What is Ghettospace?
[11:59] <kent> haggai, will do. (perhaps its my theme, i will get the name, and aswell try with the default theme)
[11:59] <Agamotto> nightgoat:  A bad joke
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> nightgoat: what soundcard?
[11:59] <LinuxJones> nightgoat, Q3 is working just fine under ALSA, is your card supported ?