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nightgoatAgamotto: I looked it up on Google and got White Nationalist stuff :) That's not right...12:00
haggaikent: thanks.  You can try OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=none oowriter2  to override the gnome part12:00
HrdwrBoBthe best way to make quake3 work is to wait until the source gets released :)12:00
nightgoatLinuxJones: That's a damned good question, it's a built-in one, so I don't know for sure.12:00
theineWhat heppened to udev in Hoary? Suddenly there are hundreds of device files in my /dev directory.12:00
nightgoatI will have to track that down.12:00
LinuxJonesnightgoat, try lspci and find out what kind of sound device you have.12:00
kenthaggai, just tried with a diffrent theme, and its not showing there. So i guess its the theme. Strange though, since its not showing in other programs.12:01
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Savis there any mediaplayer that can handle .wmv?12:01
nightgoatLinuxJones: I will do that, just a minute.12:01
nightgoatSav: xine or mplayer will.12:01
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tritiumSav, with w32codecs12:01
Quest-MasterSav: MPlayer could. Or gxine12:01
theinenightgoat: in case you have sound problems in Q3, have you tried 'killall esd'?12:01
Savvlc doesent?12:01
[OWL] Cleaverhello, im having some network issues here, anyone can assist?12:01
nightgoattheine: no, i will try that too.12:01
HrdwrBoBtheine: you need to do that also12:01
Quest-MasterSav: vlc does too12:01
Quest-Master;)12:01
SavQuest-Master, hmm do i need plugin for that then?12:02
TuxicitySav, nope12:02
theineI once tried esddsp, but the sound was rather crappy12:02
TuxicitySav, VLC has its own codecs12:02
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k31thwat codec do i need to play divx?12:03
k31thand xvid12:03
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k31ththe name of the package ?12:03
Tuxicityk31th, with VLC, none, with other players, win32codecs12:03
beatyouhaving a video problem with the ubuntu live CD that ive never had before12:03
beatyouanyone help ?12:03
nightgoattheine: that didn't help, I don't think esd was running12:03
Agamottobeatyou:  What kind of problem?12:03
kentk31th, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats12:04
AgamottoResolution, intermittent flickers?12:04
nightgoatLinuxJones: lspci comes back with heaps of "unknown device" devices. Not a good sign.12:04
Tuxicityk31th, actually it's "w32codecs"12:04
SavTuxicity, im getting security varning when i try to open .wmv with vlc, and then it will not open12:04
nightgoatI've got to track down what hardware it is.12:04
beatyouwhen I start the live CD it goes to the ubunto loading (the one with pretty loading bar at the bottom) and after that my monitor just goes black12:04
theinenightgoat: it wasn't? are you sure? what does 'ps x | grep esd' give you?12:04
beatyoubut the OS is still running the cd drive is being accessed12:04
LinuxJonesnightgoat, is there any multimedia devices listed ?12:04
beatyoui think its trying to put it in a resolution/refresh rate my monitor doens't support12:04
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k31thTuxicity thanks12:05
nightgoattheine: probably nothing right now since I just ran that command... yep, nothing12:05
LinuxJonesnightgoat, lspci | grep audio12:05
Agamottok31th:  http://ubuntuguide.org/ - This is full of goodies for installing codecs and such12:05
beatyouAgamotto any ideas ?12:05
nightgoatlinuxjones: 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00ea (rev a1)12:05
theinenightgoat: does Q3 hang at sound initialization?12:05
LinuxJonesnightgoat, there you go12:05
nightgoattheine: no hang, it just doesn't give me sound.12:05
theinenightgoat: oh, i see, than it's a different problem than i had recently12:06
nightgoatlinuxjones: yeah, i'm going to dig around nvidia's site and see if they have any motherboard drivers for linux.12:06
Agamottobeatyou:  Easy - use the Vulcan nerve pinch ctrl+alt+plus/minus keys on keyboard.  Should cycle X through modes until something pops up on screen12:06
theinenightgoat: do you get any sound at all under Ubuntu?12:06
[OWL] Cleavermy mozilla being ubber slow, the problem was sorted by replacing the dns ip on network config, but now i noticed every time  i reboot linux the original dns ip are placed again12:06
nightgoatlinuxjones: i almost installed my old sblive card again, then remembered how many extra cables I'd have to run.12:06
[OWL] Cleaveranyway to fix this?12:07
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haggaikent: ok thanks. It's because OOo2 hasn't been widely tested on many systems yet and problems like this are still not yet completely solved. I'd be grateful for information in the bug to help the devs reproduce it12:07
beatyouthanks agamotto12:07
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nightgoattheine: yeah, i can play UT2004, watch dvds, cedega, lots of stuff.12:07
AgamottoTry turning off IP6 searching - I think you type ///about: in a firefox/mozilla location window12:07
nightgoattheine: It's gotten to the point where I'm so close to having a completely boss system set up that I'm a man on a mission now!12:08
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nightgoatalthough UT2004 runs slow for some reason12:08
nightgoatbut that's another battle altogether.12:08
TuxicitySav, a security warning might be normal if the file extension doesnt match the file format. On Warty, my VLC can open .wmv fine.12:08
ultimate_buzzhello12:08
theinenightgoat: i really doubt that it is an driver issue in that case12:09
Tuxicityultimate_buzz, good evening12:09
timo_how do i make a shortcut to a command12:09
ultimate_buzzneed some help with ubuntu installation12:09
ultimate_buzz:D12:09
tjsgady, the kernel source/binary packages in hoary for 2.6.10 dont come with the .config used to build, and the kernel doesnt have the config builtin12:09
[OWL] Cleaversigh12:09
nightgoattheine: really... that's curious and disheartening.12:09
ultimate_buzzthe pc is an olt Siemens Multitainer with an MPACT multimedichip for audio and graphic12:09
tjswhere can I get the hoary 2.6.10 kernel .config?12:09
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timo_how do i make a shortcut to a command12:10
tjstimo_, ln -s12:10
azeemtimo_: alias12:10
theinenightgoat: sorry if that that strucks you hard12:10
timo_alias?12:10
timo_just a shortcut on a desktop12:10
timo_i need that12:10
ultimate_buzzafter the splash one site shows up then the screen goes black. disable the acpi or stet vesa to normal or video=vga16:off dont work any other tips to fix that problem ?12:10
theinenightgoat: but what do i know? maybe it is an driver issue12:10
tjsdrag it from the menu12:10
azeemtimo_: well, what kind of shortcut did you have in mind...12:10
azeemtimo_: ah12:11
azeemtimo_: they are usually add to the panel12:11
timo_xmms12:11
azeemtimo_: so right-click on the top panel and choose 'add to panel'12:11
azeemand then 'application starter' (whatever that is in your locale)12:11
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timo_i need ah ic12:12
timo_thanks m812:12
tjsso, any ideas on where to get the kernel .config used to build the hoary kernels?12:12
[OWL] Cleaveri would like to know how do i change my dns settings without rebooting and seying them get back to default again12:12
vladsterdoes anyone know the link to the site for the procedure of installing the NVidia driver12:12
LinuxJonesnightgoat, looks like your soundcard should already be supported12:13
Agamottohttp://ubuntuguide.org/12:13
Agamottovladster:  Go to that link12:13
vladsteralready tyhere,tnx12:13
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SavTuxicity, how about .asf then? i get sound but no video12:14
snowblink[OWL] Cleaver: man dhclient.conf12:14
[OWL] Cleaverok12:14
[OWL] Cleaveri did the changes in the gui12:14
[OWL] Cleaverthanks12:15
vladsterI couled try it the way I did it in sarge but I am not sure it supports it12:15
dudhas anyone else noticing how someone, either with gnome or ubuntu, cant seem to decide to called it Trash or Waste Bin?12:16
dudyesterday it was Waste Bin, and now its Trash...  and a while before that again, it was Trash12:16
TuxicitySav, install "w32codecs" and xine just in case it works12:16
k31thw32codecs are not in apt-get ?12:17
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Agamottodud: That would depend on the localization - for the US, trash/trachcan is acceptable, where in the UK it should be rubbish bin/paper toss12:17
ultimate_buzznobody have aclue on my problem ?12:17
tritiumk31th, in marillat repository12:17
k31thanyone know of a plyer that will play over a samba share ?12:17
theinek3lth: have you checked http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ?12:17
JConnellk31th: MPlayer12:17
theinek3lth: i guess any player should be able to do that12:17
Agamotto'sudo apt-get install w32codecs' you need to add Universe repositories, if memory serves12:18
RiddellAgamotto: it's not in universe12:18
k31thadded that12:18
Tuxicityk31th, add debian marillat repo, just in case12:18
dudAgamotto, well they should be coherant about it anyhow12:18
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k31thgot a link ??12:18
theinek3lth: have you checked http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ?12:18
Agamottotheine:  Thanks, I couldn't remember that12:19
theineAgamotto: :)12:19
[OWL] Cleaversnowblink, no offense man... but i dont get a clue about that that thing is explaining12:19
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AgamottoBRB, I am off to take a shower12:20
bitfoohow come my usb hard drive isnt showing up :|12:20
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[OWL] Cleaverbasicly my dns configuration seems broken on the network, pages take ages to load, unlike IE on xp, if i run a link with its direct ip the page loads in 1 second, if i use regular dns names it takes forever12:21
snowblink[OWL] Cleaver: sounds familiar...12:21
[OWL] Cleaveris that a normal issue on linux?12:22
snowblink[OWL] Cleaver: DHCP?12:22
[OWL] Cleaverim not the specialist yet, still learning12:22
[OWL] Cleaveri have a nat router12:22
[OWL] Cleaverthat gives dhcp12:22
[OWL] Cleaverto internal machines12:22
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bluefoxicyhave you people considered what a disaster your choice of distribution nomenclature is?12:22
snowblink[OWL] Cleaver: cat /etc/resolv.conf12:22
bluefoxicyseriously12:22
bluefoxicyubuntu has GOT to be the worst name ever chosen from an accessability standpoint12:22
bluefoxicyyour logo has a bunch of Us and Ns that look identical, just rotated12:23
tritiumbluefoxicy, anything positive to say?12:23
bluefoxicywhat the hell is a dislexic person going to do if he sees that?12:23
[OWL] Cleaverubuntu rules ktx12:23
usualbluefoxicy, would you prefer a red hat?12:23
kenthaggai, sorry for leaving before. I have posted a reply to the bug about oo2. I im sort of sure its my gtk+ theme that is causing it. I have attached the theme. If i change theme to some other, it goes away, if i change back.. it comes back. Strange though..12:23
bluefoxicytritium:  yeah, I'll be laughing at the first dyslexic to try to read the login screen >:P12:23
usualbluefoxicy, or a purple inflated G?12:23
tritiumbluefoxicy, is laughing at the disabled funny to you?12:23
k31thim dyslexic12:23
LinuxJonesbluefoxicy, is such a wonderfull handle12:23
bluefoxicytritium:  yes, of course it is, I hear voices when I try to sleep12:24
usualLinuxJones, well he is obviously very creative, that just shows12:24
LinuxJones:D12:24
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bitfoohow do i tell where my ntfs external usb hd is :|12:24
tritiumbluefoxicy, we have a code of conduct12:24
snowblink[OWL] Cleaver: no general problems, but just dealt with someone with similar problem12:24
bluefoxicytritium:  and no sense of humor?12:24
bluefoxicyoh wtf12:25
bluefoxicy3 u's and 1 n12:25
bitfooSTFU THIS IS A GOD DAMN HELP CHANNEL :|12:25
Po0kywhat file on the ubuntu cd is the boot.img used in morphix?12:25
usualI lost my sense of humor in nam12:25
bluefoxicyalright alright geeze, nobody even laughed.12:25
k31th:)12:25
LinuxJones[OWL] Cleaver, you probably have the IPV6 problem if your dns is taking too long12:25
HrdwrBoBbitfoo: if you run 'dmesg'12:25
HrdwrBoBit will tell you it's detected etc12:26
k31thummm wa mirror was i surposed to add to my sources.list ?12:26
HrdwrBoBI don't hink NTFS will automount12:26
Tuxicityk31th, read the link theine gave you12:26
[OWL] Cleaveryup12:26
ultimate_buzzafter the SPlash and the enter hit the ubuntu in stall shows up and my screen goes black , so how do i get my screen back12:26
[OWL] Cleaverhow do i fix that12:26
bitfooomg dmesg = massive amount of errors :O12:26
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LinuxJones[OWL] Cleaver, let me find the link for you12:27
[OWL] Cleaverthank you12:27
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beatyoui copied all the files from the ubunta live cd into my USB drive when i boot from the live cd and go to "boot from usb 2 device" it still boots from the CD ?12:27
beatyouubuntu*12:27
LinuxJones[OWL] Cleaver, >> http://lists.debian.org/debian-ipv6/2004/12/msg00014.html12:28
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Po0kywhat file is the boot.img from a morphix cd .. "morphix"?12:28
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swimdoes alien work for ubuntu?12:29
gillesfor a beginner, what's the best hoary or warty ?12:29
HrdwrBoBwarty12:29
HrdwrBoBit's the stable release12:29
dudalien works yes swim12:29
gillesdo they have scim package, and can they be installed in chinese or not ?12:29
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swimif I compile something in ubuntu amd64 will that app then run at 64bit?12:29
ultimate_buzznobady have a solution for the black screen problem ?12:29
dudswim, yes, with a 64bit compiler12:30
ultimate_buzzthe stuff thats in the forums dont work12:30
beatyouultimate buzz does it do that when you boot up from the live cd ?12:30
beatyoutry ctrl+alt+plus or minus keys12:30
tritiumultimate_buzz, you're installing Warty?12:30
kentits sort of funny that the about dialog in openoffice2 in Hoary says "This product has been created by my company based on OpenOffice.org using the LGPL", who's company is "my company"? ;)12:30
swimdud, so I dont simply ./configure, make, make install?12:30
dudgilles, isnt there a "red flag" distro for chinese....?12:30
Tuxicitygilles, i checked. Warty has scim and a chineese package for scim12:30
dudswim, most likely yes12:30
swimok thx dud12:30
Tuxicitygilles, (but not tested by me, of course)12:31
ultimate_buzztritium: yes12:31
theinedoes anybody know if it by any chance possible to replace the grahics card in an IBM Thinkpad?12:31
tritiumultimate_buzz, did you try what beatyou suggested?12:31
swimdud just as long as Ive got the source right? and not binaries?12:31
ultimate_buzzyes12:31
ultimate_buzznothing happens12:31
dudif you use a chisel and a hammer...12:31
gillesdud: i dunno12:31
tritiumcan you switch to a VT using Ctrl-Alt-F1 ?12:31
dudswim, there are 64bit binaries as well for ubuntu amd6412:31
swimdud right but not of NVU12:32
ultimate_buzznope12:32
ultimate_buzzscreen is black12:32
ultimate_buzzi c nothing12:32
dudwell, obviously you need source code if you want to compile something....12:32
tritiumtry other Function keys12:32
dudultimate_buzz, are you eyes closed?12:32
duds/you/your12:32
Tuxicitylol12:33
ultimate_buzzmaybe its somthing with my graphic chip the MPACT12:33
thenuketheine: umm, laptops generally does not have cars.. other than pcmcia12:33
tritiumultimate_buzz, like Ctrl-Alt-F2 through Ctrl-Alt-F612:33
thenuketheine: they are all built-in12:33
ultimate_buzzdud: no they are open ;D12:33
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ultimate_buzztritium: nnothing happens screen is black12:33
AgamottoOk, back12:33
snowblinkultimate_buzz: monitor cable in, monitor on?12:33
tritiumI've never heard of mpact12:33
ultimate_buzzso i cant install the ubuntu i think12:34
ultimate_buzzwell snowblink i c the splash and a few lines ;D so i think the cable is in ;D12:34
stvnhunting for rooms12:34
ultimate_buzzMPACT is a multimedia chip with audio mpeg encoder/decoder and graphic12:35
theinethenuke: that's what i thought, but i'm just so desperate that i thought i give it a try and ask if it might not be the case12:35
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[OWL] Cleaverok edited the file12:35
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thenuketheine: save some money and buy new used laptop :)12:35
ultimate_buzzthere is an diagramm of the chip12:35
ultimate_buzzhttp://multitainer.letzgo.de/page.php?page=mpact12:35
thenukeif your current one is broken12:36
ultimate_buzzthe suse based distris worked but they suck ;D12:36
LinuxJones[OWL] Cleaver, in console type update-modules and re-boot12:36
ultimate_buzzi want a debian based system ;D12:36
[OWL] Cleaverok12:36
carthikI am trying to play .m3u files from a netjuke install and from other websites, and I have installed the mozplayer plugin. Now xmms just lauches and doe snot play the file, how can I fix this?12:36
ultimate_buzzand ubunto looks very nice12:36
theinethenuke: no no, i love my laptop, it is fairly new and has everything i need -- if only the ati drivers wouldn't suck so bad...12:36
LinuxJones[OWL] Cleaver, then ipv6 will not be loaded ever again :D12:36
thenuketheine: oooh.12:36
[OWL] Cleaveryeah i edited the aliases file12:37
[OWL] Cleaverok now doing the update12:37
carthikI wonder why xmms just doesn;t play the m3u files... I use firefox, by the way12:37
[OWL] Cleaverk, brb12:37
snowblinkLinuxJones: why do you think this is the solution to owl's problems?12:37
LinuxJonessnowblink, because I had the exact same problem12:37
snowblinksnowblink: DNS IP addresses being replaced because of IPV6?12:38
snowblinkLinuxJones: DNS IP addresses being replaced because of IPV6?12:38
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ultimate_buzzipv6 has an other address type ;D12:39
ultimate_buzzlonger by the way12:39
LinuxJonessnowblink, he said that it was taking too long for pages to load in webbrowser12:39
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carthikCan someone please help with my m3u problem?12:41
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AgamottoI am sure that we will try12:42
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TuxicityLinuxJones, check this too http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#disableipv6-mozilla12:43
nico|mwhat's happening with locales in hoary currently? there seems to be no locales in newer gnome packages...12:43
snowblinkLinuxJones: I'm hedging my bets on a dhcp dns overwrite. ;)12:43
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tritiumperhaps install resolvconf package12:44
Tuxicitycarthik, you could try Beep Media Player instead of XMMS, just in case12:44
tritiumoh, that's probably already installed12:44
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[OWL] Cleaveralright12:44
ultimate_buzzso no solution for my problem ?12:44
[OWL] Cleaverbrowzer works pefectly now12:44
[OWL] Cleaverthanks12:44
snowblinkLinuxJones: heh - you win12:45
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carthikTuxicity, I have tried kaboodle, xine, totem, mplayer, xmms, and now I will try Beep, but none of them have worked so far12:46
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[OWL] Cleaverlinux jones pwns12:46
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farruinnwow, is it just me or has freenode had some problems lately?12:57
snowblinkfarruinn: looks like niven died12:57
farruinnseems like this sort of thing has been happening frequently12:58
usualwhere are package changelogs kept again? /usr/share...12:58
farruinn/usr/share/doc/[package] / iirc12:59
tritiumyep12:59
usualty12:59
farruinn/usr/share/doc/*/changelog.Debian.gz even12:59
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Orbodoes anyone have experience with wine?01:00
[OWL] Cleaverback01:01
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[OWL] Cleaveryeah i was trying wine out01:01
snowblinkfarruinn: obviously the popularity of ubuntu is to blame. ;)01:01
[OWL] Cleaverbut even mirc01:01
[OWL] Cleavercrashes on it01:01
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usualrhythmbox in hoary has ipod support?01:01
Adrenalwine is still alpha01:01
Orbo[OWL}Cleaver: thing you could help me out?01:01
[OWL] Cleaverdunno01:01
Adrenalinstalling things is not general easy01:02
[OWL] Cleaverim a noob01:02
Adrenalbesides, xchat is better01:02
[OWL] Cleaverif you want a decent emulation01:02
[OWL] Cleaverget cedega01:02
Adrenalvmware01:02
[OWL] Cleaverunfortunelly01:02
tritiumwow - the new version of rythmbox just installed today does seem to have iPod support01:02
[OWL] Cleaverit requires money01:02
Adrenalisn't cedega only for games?01:02
Adrenalso does windows01:02
[OWL] Cleaverim running mirc with a cedega file01:02
[OWL] Cleaverbut the file is warezed01:02
Adrenalcedea requires significantly less money then windows01:02
[OWL] Cleaverso its not working ok01:02
[OWL] Cleaverits only 5 bucks01:03
Adrenalhmm01:03
Tuxicity[OWL] Cleaver, Mirc is not worth cedega01:03
[OWL] Cleaverget it, tbh its worth the cash01:03
Adrenalcan cedega use no-cd cracks?01:03
Orbowell I'm just curious to how to access the virtual C: drive that was installed01:03
OrboI also just installed Fallout 2 with no hiccups and would like to see if it plays01:03
Adrenalshould be in your home folder01:03
[OWL] CleaverTux - i would love to run actual games on linux01:03
[OWL] Cleaverother then mirc01:03
[OWL] Cleaverlol01:03
bitfooso do it :|01:04
bitfoorun like et :O01:04
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bitfooor nwn :|01:04
Adrenalor hl201:04
[OWL] Cleaverunfortunelly you need to get cedega and to get a perfectly working cedega u gotta pay01:04
bodhihow can i change the resolution?01:04
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tritiumbodhi, did that fix earlier work for you?01:05
OrboAdrenal, only thing in /home is my user account01:05
TuxicityOrbo, it's a hidden folder01:05
Adrenalclick on that01:05
TuxicityOrbo, .wine01:05
Adrenalthats *your* home folder01:05
Adrenaloh, my mistake01:05
[OWL] Cleaveryup01:05
[OWL] Cleaverits a fake c drive01:05
[OWL] Cleaverwhere u install apps01:05
bodhitritium: yes ... i didnt see you on the list, thank you01:05
tritiumbodhi, of course :)  I'm glad.01:05
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rellikanyone know of a good Direct Connect client for linux?01:06
bitfoowhat do you need cedega for :|01:06
[OWL] Cleavergames01:06
Orbothanks Tuxicity01:06
tritiumbodhi, you should be able to change resolutions with the "Screen Resolution" capplet01:06
[OWL] Cleaveronly thing missing on linux01:06
bitfoowhy not use wine :/01:06
TuxicityOrbo, np01:06
Adrenalrellick: the standard one off synaptic is ok01:06
bitfooor use windows01:06
bitfoo:|01:06
[OWL] Cleavercoz wine doesnt support direct x01:06
bitfoouse windows then :/01:06
bitfooit is superior game platform :|01:06
Orboneat, fallout is running great, but.....01:07
[OWL] Cleaverand vmmware doesnt allow d3d01:07
Orbono sound01:07
Tuxicity[OWL] Cleaver, I heard Wine supports some DirectX...01:07
bitfooUH OH SPAGHETTI-Os01:07
Adrenalso, not great01:07
bborkkAnyone know what happened to the wxPython 2.5.3?  Seems to have reverted to 2.4.2.4 when Python went from 2.3.4 to 2.4.01:07
Orboyeah, good though01:07
kentrellik, valknut/dcqt-gui01:07
Adrenal] oWL}Cleaver: i emailed them about that. They made their own inbuilt emulation01:07
nexuswinex supports directx01:08
[OWL] Cleaverwinex  = cedega01:08
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[OWL] Cleaverpay stuff01:09
nexusright :)01:09
Adrenalits cheap01:09
nexuswell it was been a while01:09
Adrenalseriously, take it like a man and support it01:09
Adrenali've spent more on a cup of coffer01:09
Adrenal*coffee01:09
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[OWL] Cleaveri dont have a credit card01:09
Adrenaland i don't even like coffee01:09
mdzPlease test the latest Hoary live CD: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ (feedback to ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com)01:09
[OWL] Cleaverits just for that01:09
[OWL] Cleaver5 euro is pocket money lol01:09
Adrenalwhat about your parents?01:10
Orbohow much does cedega cost?01:10
[OWL] Cleavermy dads are anti credit fanatics01:10
Adrenalpractically nothing01:10
Adrenalfriends?01:10
[OWL] Cleaverthey are like "VISA IS EVIL"01:10
Adrenalpaypal?01:10
Adrenaldebit?01:10
[OWL] Cleavernope01:10
Adrenalbugger01:10
Tuxicity[OWL] Cleaver, me too, credit cards and online transfers are evil01:10
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tritiumI'll test the Hoary PPC live CD tomorrow!01:10
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[OWL] Cleaverwell spending money that you dont have is wrong01:10
[OWL] Cleaveryou end up being owned by the bank01:11
Adrenalwhat about a debit card then?01:11
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willokay my sound in Ubuntu is playing at about 2x the normal speed! anyone have an idea what is going on?01:11
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Adrenaltime distortion01:12
[OWL] Cleaveri got a job yesterday, gonna get my first wage on the end of the month, when that happens ill setup some online purchase thing so i can get it01:12
[OWL] Cleaveruntill then ill just have to improvise01:12
Adrenal...or use windows for games01:12
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jonohi all01:12
Adrenalthey mostly run better natively01:12
willanyone any good with the  sound system here?01:13
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Orbowell this windows thing is ufn and all, but linux does everything I need except games01:16
Orbowhich is why I tried wine01:16
Orboso I'll pony up some dinero and get cedega sometime01:16
TuxicityOrbo, dont forget UT2004 and Doom3 run natively on Linux01:17
OrboDoom3 really?01:17
tritiumwill, I've seen that problem mentioned before.  Did you check the wiki and the forums?01:17
Orbolink to a how to Tuxicity, maybe?01:17
willtritium: not sure what to look under!01:17
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TuxicityOrbo, a few months ago I played UT2k4 very well on Linux, it's easy to install01:18
LinuxJones[OWL] Cleaver, your working ok now, sorry was afk01:18
OrboI don't have UT2k401:18
Orbobut I do have D301:18
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moquistany specific recommendations for dual-LCD display setups?01:18
ephiccan you use the amd64 install cd for an amd duron?01:18
TuxicityOrbo, as for Doom3, never tried, ive heard some people on this channel having trouble installing it, search Google01:18
ephicer wait athlon01:18
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Orbosearching01:19
moquistI've been told (here and elsewhere) that NVIDIA is good, but does anyone have more specific comments to make?01:19
Adrenalit has excellent linux support01:19
ephicdoes ubuntu support nvidia geforce 520001:19
Adrenalati is outdated01:19
ephic?01:19
crimsunephic: yes, through the "nvidia" driver.01:19
keyshawn2ephic, thats what i have.01:19
ephicah ok great!01:20
ephic;)01:20
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ephicand another thing, amd duron processors, do they suppor the amd64 iso?01:20
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bitfoowhat you talking about :|01:20
Hethh/nf merry_lu01:20
bitfooati just released new drivers for x.org01:20
bitfoo:/01:20
ephicthe amd64 version of ubuntu01:20
ephiclike ubuntu-amd6401:20
Hethhuops01:20
AgamottoI would assume that amd64 would not be compatible with an athlon for install01:20
Hethh:>01:20
ephicah ok.01:21
jdubmdz: let me know when there's a better url than http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDAnnouncement01:21
jdubbah01:21
bitfooephic :D01:21
ephicwell its not intel01:21
ephichaha bitfoo01:21
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ephicwhats happenin01:21
ephicive decided to try ubuntu lol01:21
HethhAgamotto, i remember there was a 64bit compiled system ?01:21
bitfooi said fuck it and just compiled that program with wine instead lolz01:21
ephichaha01:21
bodhitritium: i saw the "Screen Resolution" capplet but i dont see the  one i want01:21
ephici hear ya01:21
Hethhmeant ubuntu/debian01:21
bitfoojust try the livecd first01:21
bitfoosee if you like it :O01:21
ephicdecided to try ubuntu being as its based on debian01:21
ephic;D01:21
ephic<3 debian01:22
bitfoo;] 01:22
LinuxJonesjdub, is there a .torrent for the Live CD ?01:22
jdubnot yet01:22
ephick one sec runnin install ;D01:22
tritiumbodhi, if you edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file with the resolutions you want, you should see them01:22
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bborkkDoes anyone have wxPython 2.5 working with Python 2.4?01:23
pvhIs there an amaroK tutorial for ubuntu out there?01:23
TimSNLDoes anyone know how i can run ELF SCO binaries on ubuntu?  Does it have iBCS or ABI support?01:23
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pvhIt was crashing with a message about missing ~/,kde/socket-arroyo/, so I created it, but still no love.01:23
crimsunpvh: amarok should just run normally.01:24
pvhcrimsun: I agree. :)01:24
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Tuxicitypvh, lol01:24
willmy soundserver runs too fast, all music all sounds ...everything. what is going on?01:24
crimsunwill: what sound chipset?01:25
willintel built in01:25
willcrimsun: i think its ac 9701:25
pvhamarok: Is anyone actually running amarok here?01:25
willcrimsun: it was fine up until cedega used it01:26
crimsunwill: hmm, have you checked in cedega? I have an idea, but it's not related to cedega at all, so you'll want to ask in there first.01:26
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willcrimsun: okay will do.01:27
TimSNLIs ABI built into the 2.6.8.1-3 kernel?  Please help me with this01:28
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TimSNLI am looking for a distro that has support for older ELF binaries. Will ubuntu do it?01:30
willcrimsun: what was your suggestion?01:30
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bitfoo:|01:31
mdzjdub: WAR01:31
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bitfooyour link is wrong :|01:31
jdubmdz: s/WAR/GET OUT OF THE WAY/01:31
blakehey01:31
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ogramdz, jdub: please not..... i'm in the middle here in europe.....01:32
blakei gots a question01:32
bitfooYAY01:32
Xirdnehcan anybody tell me if ubuntu has support for DELL WIRELESS 1450 DUAL BAND?01:32
mdzfinally01:32
bitfoothere is no 686 ubuntu?01:32
bitfooXirdneh, yes that is an atheros chipset :O01:33
tritiumbitfoo, you mean 686-optimized kernels?01:33
crimsunwill: removing snd-intel8x0 and reinserting it with `ac97_clock=41194'01:33
bitfooyes tritium :|01:33
tritiumbitfoo, sure there is :)01:33
blakeif i have to OSs saved to my hard drive how do i start into a different os01:33
Xirdnehthnx bitfoo01:33
bitfoonice :D01:33
Tuxicityblake, grub (or LILO)01:33
blakewhat do u mean01:34
blakeim new to linux01:34
willcrimsun: where would i do that?01:34
blakei have ubuntu and xp saved to my hd01:34
crimsunwill: in the terminal.01:35
blakeand it goes into ubuntu how would i get it into xp01:35
bitfoowhen you reboot it should let you choose :|01:35
blakeno it dont01:35
blakeit just goes into linux01:35
bitfoodoes it say "hit esc to get to menu"01:35
bitfooor something01:35
blakeyea01:35
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bitfootry that maybe :|01:35
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willcrimsun: sorry, but in what context in the terminal?01:35
IRCMonkeylo01:36
blakethen when i hit it says ubuntu recovery01:36
blakeubuntu normal01:36
blakestuff like that01:36
bitfooand no windows?01:36
blakerite01:36
bitfoodid you overwrite windows :|01:36
mz2blake, in the installation, did the installer ask you whether you want to be able to boot additional os's?01:36
blakeno01:36
blakeno01:36
farruinnI believe you have to uncomment or comment something in the grub conf01:36
mz2sure it did01:36
blakeit didnt ask it just told me to make a partition01:37
IRCMonkeyim new... i've been using Sarge(DEB) for quite sometime.. is ubuntu worth the switch?01:37
blakeand i selected partition to empty space01:37
sulkdehm01:37
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sulkdcan someone do me a favor and find the mx entry for my domain?01:38
bitfooIRCMonkey, try the livecd so you can decide yourself :D01:38
sulkdmy modem's dhcp seems to have gone fubar01:38
mz2as far as i can remember it does ask when it's finished with the package installation, but anyways, just add an entry to your /boot/grub/menu.lst for windows01:38
bitfoothat way you can test it, and keep debian :D01:38
crimsunwill: close all sound apps and the volume control applet. Then `sudo modprobe -r snd_intel8x0 && sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0 ac97_clock=41194'01:38
Kokeywhen you make an update, and updates the kernel image, do not include the windows partition by default01:38
stackpopperhow stable is hoary ARRAY-3?01:38
blakemz2 how do i do that01:38
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Kokeyneeds to edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file01:39
IRCMonkeybitfoo: ok thanks ... is it on the web site?01:39
blakehow do i edit it?01:39
bitfooyes01:39
blakeremember i new to linux01:39
bitfooor you can try the brand new one01:39
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bitfooin the title01:39
willcrimsun: okay thanks will try that!01:39
LinuxJonesbitfoo, >> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20050126.2/01:39
Tuxicityblake, use gedit text editor01:39
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mz2blake, well, first of all, can you remember which of the partitions is the one with windows on it?01:39
IRCMonkeyk01:40
bitfooLinuxJones, thats the development one though not stable :|01:40
crimsunTimSNL: /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include/linux/personality.h01:40
bitfoothough i am donwloading it ;D01:40
blakeyes01:40
blakepartition #101:40
mz2as in /dev/hda1, /dev/hda2 and so on... so which one is it?01:40
blakethen its 101:40
mz2#1 starting from 0 or 1? :)01:40
mz2ok01:40
blake1 is xp 2 is ubuntu01:41
LinuxJonesbitfoo, >> sorry I got you confused with someone else :D01:41
bitfoo;] 01:41
blakeso how i add it?01:41
mz2then you just add this in the end of your /boot/grub/menu.lst :01:41
mz2#For booting XP01:41
mz2title           Windows XP01:41
mz2root            (hd0,0)01:41
mz2savedefault01:41
mz2makeactive01:41
mz2chainloader     +101:42
willcrimsun: i just re-run cedega and it fixed the problem! what a wierd bug01:42
crimsunwill: cedega issue then, nothing to do with ALSA.01:42
willcrimsun: kind of expect it dont you!01:43
blakelike when it asks esc for menu?01:43
blakethat when i add it?01:43
crimsunwill: from cedega? from ALSA? I expect software to break. :)01:43
mz2so do this in the terminal: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst01:43
blakewhat terminal?01:44
bitfooyou can get to terminal by clicking applications > system tools > terminal01:44
bitfoo:|01:44
mz2blake, applications->system tools->terminal01:44
bitfooOH I BEAT YOU WHAT01:44
bitfoo:|01:44
TimSNLDoes ubuntu support abi to run older ELF binaries?01:44
mz2:P01:44
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crimsunTimSNL: please install linux-headers-$(uname -r) and check the file I pointed you to, thank you. :)01:45
blakeim in the menu01:45
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blakenothing shows up in there01:46
mz2blake, and once you get that done, you'll find lots and lots of additional useful info from www.ubuntuguide.org01:46
mz2blake, how do you mean? in what menu?01:46
mz2did you save the file? :)01:46
TimSNLcrimson >>> sorry i must have missed your reply before, what was the file you pointed me to?01:47
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drspinhow can I remove all files "x.y" starting in directoryName/ ????01:47
blakeok i copyed all that stuff u typed up there and pasted it01:47
blakethen i clicked save01:48
blakeis that correct?01:48
mz2yep01:48
Peterhow hard is it to upgrade ubuntu to xorg?01:48
drspinhow can I remove all files "x.y" starting in directoryName/ ????01:48
crimsundrspin: find directoryName -name 'x.y' | xargs rm -f01:48
blakeso now when i reboot i can get to xp01:48
blake?01:48
mz2yup01:48
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blakei will have to hit esc for menu?01:49
blakethen select xp01:49
blakethat rite?01:49
mz2just try, will you? :)01:49
mz2it won't bite you01:49
drspincrimsun: thanks :) removing all my Thumbs.db files in three years worth of picture folders :/01:49
blakeill try the come back and tell you01:49
mz2cool01:49
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TimSNLwhat command do i use to "install linux-headers-$(uname -r)".  I need some help to set started here01:51
drspinsorry for repeating... thought I was -v for freenode because I hadn't identified01:51
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LinuxJonesTimSNL, open a terminal sudo -s (enter your password) apt-get update && apt-get install  linux-headers-$(uname -r)01:53
Peteris it worth upgrading to xorg?01:53
TimSNLthx01:53
mz2Peter, nah, just wait for hoary01:53
Peteris there a est release date?01:54
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jdubwww.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule01:54
jdubwe don't estimate01:54
Peteryou guesstimate?01:54
mdzyes, there is something better than an estimate01:54
mdzthere is a release date01:54
jdubwe make it happen01:54
Peterwow01:54
drspincrimsun: xargs: unmatched single quote -- what does that mean??01:54
mojopeter: xorg works on my box but i can't honestly tell you that it works any different from a user p.o.v.01:55
drspinI tried retyping the line as many ways that I could think of...01:55
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blakemdz01:55
blakenothing01:55
blakenothing happened01:55
blakei went to the menu01:55
crimsundrspin: did you type precisely what I typed?01:55
crimsunTimSNL: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)01:56
snowblinkPeter: make sure your video card is supported under xorg01:56
blakeand it just said recovery or safe mode01:56
crimsunerr, sorry, LinuxJones already said so.01:56
blakeor normal01:56
drspincrimsun: yes01:56
mdzblake: whaat?01:56
Petersnowblink: 9800pro01:56
blakeno xp01:56
Petershould be01:56
drspincrimsun: copy and paste01:56
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blakemdz it didnt work01:56
mdzblake: I assume you mean the live CD; which one?01:57
blakeno01:57
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blakeu told me how to make it boot xp member?01:57
mdzno, I didn't01:57
mdzyou must be confusing me with someone else01:57
blakeyes u did01:57
mz2blake, just ignore mdz, he's being confusing :)01:57
blakeoh mz01:57
blakenvm01:57
hou5tonhmmm ... i have a folder on cdrom that I want in /usr/share/sounds/, but it won't let me drag and drop because permissions are not right in that dir ...01:58
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blakeok mz u are the one that helped me arent u?01:58
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hou5tonso I went to root terminal, and did cp cdrom/Media usr/share/sounds/ ... but it's still not working?01:58
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drspinhou5ton: use sudo01:58
stackpoppercp -r01:58
hou5tonin the root terminal?01:58
foznotanyone have time to help me with apache?01:59
crimsundrspin: you're using bash, correct?01:59
drspinsudo cp cdrom/media usr/share/sounds/01:59
drspincrimsun: yes01:59
crimsundrspin: the command works here...01:59
drspin...01:59
drspinboo01:59
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drspincole@linux:~/Pictures $ find -name 'Thumbs.db' |xargs rm -f01:59
drspinxargs: unmatched single quote01:59
rellikon my machine, these two commands should be identical: "mount localhost:/shared test" and "mount r01ptsmf8.desktop.umr.edu:/shared test" but the first works while the second gives this error: "mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused"....  the entry in /etc/exports is "/shared *(rw,no_root_squash,async)"...  any ideas how to fix this?01:59
drspincrimsun: that period messing it up?02:00
hou5tondrspin: ok ... i guess I thought that if I went to the place where you open a root terminal, I figured it would not need sudo02:00
crimsundrspin: um, no, you didn't copy and paste.02:00
bitfooHOHO02:00
crimsundrspin: you kinda forgot the directoryName02:00
bitfooi try the new livecd now :DDD02:00
drspinhou5ton: a root teminal wouldn't need sudo02:00
drspincrimsun: LOL - assumed that if I was in that directory it would assume...02:00
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drspincrimsun: my bad02:00
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randabisare there any ubuntu packages (hoary) available for running a SOCKS5 server?02:01
hou5tondrspin: that's what I thought, but when I run that cp command i get this: cp: omitting directory `cdrom/Media/'02:01
randabisI see one for socks4 but not socks502:01
stackpoppercp -r02:01
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Orbohi, I'm having some trouble booting xp02:01
bitfoowhats good audio software for linux :|02:02
bitfoonot to play but to make and author :|02:02
hou5tonstackpopper: thanks ... i'll try that02:02
LinuxJonesbitfoo, for playing or editing ?02:02
bitfooediting02:02
bitfoolike mixing a cd etc02:02
stackpopperaudacity is one02:02
LinuxJonesbitfoo, audacity is supposed to be quite good02:02
bitfooala propellorheads reason or so02:02
Orboit audodetected in grub setup but now it says that its an unknown file system or something02:02
bitfooi will check it out :D02:02
crimsunbitfoo: ardour is excellent, too.02:02
bitfook crim02:02
stackpopperyep that;s a killer02:02
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bitfooi'll check em both out thanks guys02:02
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drspincrimsun: find ~/Pictures -name 'thumbs.db' | xargs rm -f02:03
drspinstill doesn't work02:03
drspinno error messages but find |grep Thumbs.db still returns LOTS of files02:04
crimsundrspin: case sensitive.02:04
drspinhaha still getting used to that02:04
sladendrspin: Thumbs.db != thumbs.db02:04
hou5tonstackpopper: and drspin: yep, ... that little -r made all the difference.   Cool...  Thanks a bunch02:04
bitfoobrb02:05
bitfoolivecd test :D02:05
drspinI think I have a folder with a ' in it...02:05
foznoti need to get apache with php4 running02:05
Orbois anyone good with grub?02:05
foznoti did an apt-get install apache02:05
foznotwhat else do i do?02:05
Orboproblem solving wise?02:05
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Peteris there a quick start guide or somthing for ubuntu?02:07
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TuxicityPeter, www.ubuntuguide.org02:07
TuxicityPeter, www.ubuntu.com/support02:08
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foznotany docs on installing apache for ubuntu?02:08
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Riddellfoznot: apt-get install apache02:08
foznotdid that02:09
farruinnPeter: also the wiki is helpful02:09
onesliceso... apt-get install aapache didnt get you what you wanted?02:10
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foznotactually02:10
foznoti don't know what i want02:10
oneslice:)02:10
foznoti need to run a server with php02:10
foznotso i figured apache02:10
foznotwould work02:10
socommYo yo! Rhythmbox. I get resources not available for writting.02:10
socommWhat's up with that?02:10
onesliceyou figured right.... apache would serve your need02:11
HrdwrBoBsocomm: run 'esd'02:11
foznoti just need to know what to edit02:11
foznotor is it working?02:11
crimsunsocomm: is esd running? (more precisely, is gstreamer configured to use esdsink, and if so, is esd running?)02:11
foznotdon't i need to edit an apache2.conf file02:11
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socommcrimsun: Yes, just changed it to oss. Seems to work now.02:12
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crimsunsocomm: so follow HrdwrBoB's suggestion: make sure esd is running.02:12
^jacofoznot whats'up pointing on http://localhost from your browser?02:13
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crimsunsocomm: if you're using esdsink. If you use osssink, this is moot.02:13
socommcrimsun: Yeah I just changed it via gstreamer-properties.02:13
socommcrimsun: Thanks anyhow.02:13
foznotconnection was refuse02:13
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^jacofoznot open a terminal and write sudo apachectl start02:13
^jacoand retry to point your browser on http://localhost02:14
oneslicefuznot.... have you tried /etc/init.d/apache.d start... or something to that effect?... there should be a start script for apache in init.d02:14
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onesliceopps.... jaco had a better suggestion... apachectl start02:14
^jaco:)02:14
socommfoznot: Are you behind a router?02:14
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bitfoogreetings02:15
bitfoofrom 5.04 livecd land02:15
bitfoo:O02:15
^jacohi bitfoo :)02:15
bitfoo:D02:15
TimSNLi installed "linux-headers-$(uname -r)" and it all worked without any errors.  Is there something else I have to do to get ABI working?02:15
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lavigjhey guys, question. is there a way to install just a couple "unstable" packages, without switching to hoary?02:15
bitfoocan i assume if the livecd hoary works i can just upgrade to hoary :D02:15
foznotno,. i am not behind a router02:15
socommoneslice: The Apache packge drops a script into /etc/init.d/ so you can control it via that script.02:15
^jacobitfoo from hoary land it seems to works very fine02:16
farruinnlavigj: you can use apt pinning, but that's complicated and can have bad results, or you can get backports02:16
socommfoznot: Point your browser to http://127.0.0.1 does anything come up?02:16
bitfoonice :D02:16
crimsunTimSNL: you don't need 'linux-headers-$(uname -r)' to use it. I suggested that as the fastest way for you to _check_ if it's supported.02:16
^jacofoznot have u done apachectl start02:16
^jaco?02:16
farruinnlavigj: which packages do you want?02:16
^jacofoznot have u done sudo apachectl start02:16
^jaco?02:16
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lavigjfarruinn: for one, it would be nice to run firefox 1.0.02:16
TimSNLcrimsun: how does that show if it is supported?02:17
foznotjaco02:17
lavigjfarruinn: I am just used to gentoo, where I could really easily have a couple unstable packages installed, but run a stable system for the rest.02:17
foznotyes02:17
foznoti did thta02:17
foznotno command02:17
foznotfound02:17
crimsunTimSNL: did you look in personality.h for SCO?02:17
lavigjfarruinn: I was just wondering if there was a way to do that with ubuntu02:17
socommlavigj: Get the backport of firefox 1.0.02:17
^jacofoznot u have to install apache pkg with synapticsa02:17
^jacofoznot u have to install apache pkg with synaptics02:17
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farruinnlavigj: that's available as a backport, add deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports to your /etc/apt/sources.list02:17
^jacou have'nt installed the pkg foznot02:17
TimSNLwhere is personality.h?02:18
lavigjsocomm: is there good docs on backports? i haven't even heard of those.... or farruinn just answered some questions02:18
foznoti think i only did php02:18
foznotsorry for the mix up02:18
^jacofoznot form synaptycs install apache02:18
socommlavigj: Read farruinn reply a few lines up.02:18
oneslicefuznot... try ... netstat -an | grep -i ':80'02:18
^jacoand after this intall php02:18
^jacooneslice he hasn't installed apache02:18
lavigjsocomm: farruinn: that's all that's needed?02:18
onesliceah. my bad02:18
farruinnthen do a 'sudo apt-get update'02:19
foznotthanks though oneslice02:19
socommlavigj: Yes.02:19
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lavigjfarruinn: ah, yes. because that tells apt-get about the new sources and updates the lists for them, right?02:19
Tuxicitylavigj, then do "apt-get update"02:19
socommlavigj: Use synaptic.02:19
lavigjsocomm: I do02:19
Tuxicitylavigj, then press Reload button02:20
socommJust update your stuff, then search for firefox 1.0 and install it.02:20
foznotso apache and apache-common are not the same thing?02:20
socommfoznot: No.02:20
^jacofoznot open a terminal and write dpkg -l apache02:21
socommlavigj: http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/02:21
^jacoand put here the log02:21
lavigjTuxicity: cool, thanks.02:21
lavigjsocomm: farruinn, thanks for the tips02:21
socommlavigj: Yea, good luck.02:21
foznotrob@syntax:~ $ dpkg -l apache02:21
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foznotDesired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold02:22
foznot| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed02:22
foznot|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)02:22
foznot||/ Name           Version        Description02:22
foznot+++-==============-==============-============================================02:22
foznotun  apache         <none>         (no description available)02:22
foznotrob@syntax:~ $02:22
^jaco apache         <none>02:22
^jacou have to install apache...02:22
foznotit just finished dl'ing02:22
lavigjsocomm: thanks. I am actually about to reinstall ubuntu because hoary made my system a bit broken. this is a relatively new install, so I don02:22
foznotvia synaptic02:22
^jacou can do it from synaptics02:22
lavigj't02:22
lavigjsocomm: mind02:22
lavigjsocomm: but it si good to know about the backports02:22
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foznotrob@syntax:~ $ dpkg -l apache02:22
foznotDesired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold02:22
foznot| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed02:22
foznot|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)||/ Name           Version        Description02:22
foznot+++-==============-==============-============================================ii  apache         1.3.31-6       Versatile, high-performance HTTP server02:22
foznotrob@syntax:~ $02:23
socommlavigj: You don't need to reisntall.02:23
^jacook now u have apache02:23
oneslicehoray.. :)02:23
socommYou can just revert back to wary, I think.02:23
^jacotry to point your borowser to http://localhost02:23
foznotnow that works02:23
foznotpulls up a parent folder02:23
^jacook, now u has to make some tuning for php stuff02:23
foznotoh crap02:23
foznotgot the time to help?02:24
lavigjsocomm: :: shrugs:: I would just as soon reinstall, needed or not. I can be sure it is clean, and get familiar with the installer and such again.02:24
socommphp == poo02:24
^jacothis channel is for ubuntu stuff02:24
TimSNLcrimsun: where what is the path to personality.h ?02:24
^jacou can ask to me in query02:24
^jacoor is better in apache channel02:24
socommlavigj: Okay, good luck.02:24
^jacoor php channe02:24
^jacoor php channel02:24
lavigjsocomm: thanks02:24
mdzfoznot: why do you want to use apache 1.3 rather than apache2?02:24
foznotbecause that is what ubuntu gave me02:24
foznotno other reason than that02:24
mdzno, in fact ubuntu doesn't even let you see it by default02:25
mdzapache 1.3 is in universe02:25
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^jacomdz apache2 is not so stable for php like apache1.3 i think02:25
socommfoznot: Hoary no?02:25
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crimsunTimSNL: (I stated above when you first asked. /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include/linux/personality.h)02:25
foznotwarty02:25
^jacoa question for ubuntu team...why we can't have a PHP5 package?02:25
Br34chSo... uhm, being the nub that I am.. what exactly is .. GRUB? heh.. :x02:25
oneslicefuznot... http://www.cfdev.com/apache/apache2php.cfm02:25
jdub^jaco: because it wasn't in debian before UVF, and no one's packaged it02:25
oneslicemay be a good start02:25
mdz^jaco: I have nothing against it; but no one has packaged it yet as far as i know02:26
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TuxicityBr34ch, the bootloader, it loads the kernel02:26
Br34chOh.. thanks02:26
foznotthanks all...off to php land02:26
^jacoi've understood.... now i must study how to a package :)02:26
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TimSNLcrimsun: sorry i am not good at reading these chats fast02:26
^jacodamned linux :)02:26
^jacowhere is an how-to?02:27
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dholbachhai02:27
dholbachcould anyone tell me if they (on hoary) have a process  evolution-data-server-1.2  running?02:28
Grendel|could anyone take the time to help me with a problem involving new hardware?02:28
^jacomdz where is an howto about to make an ubuntu package?02:28
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crimsun^jaco: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/02:29
^jacotnx crimsun02:29
TimSNLcrimsun: i have found the file .... what am i looking for here?02:29
crimsunTimSNL: verify that it supports SCO binaries.02:30
^jacoi want try to make a PHP5 package02:30
tritiumI wonder if it's possible to install Windows with qemu from the Dell System restore CD for my laptop (for which I have a license)02:30
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^jacook, i go to sleep now02:30
^jacobye02:31
^jacohave  a great night02:31
^jaco:)02:31
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FR500hello02:33
FR500how can i make my usb flash to mount automatically upon connection_02:33
FR500i can mount it manually just fine, bit i like that02:33
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dholbachFR500: look at desktop -> preferences (just have the german translation, so i dont know exactly)02:36
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FR500you mean removable storage_02:36
FR500?02:36
tritiumthat's it02:37
FR500it-s activated02:37
tritiumFR500, the first 3 check-boxes are checked?02:37
FR500yes02:37
tritiumunder "Removable Storage"?02:37
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FR500yes02:37
tritiumcan you see the device in the Device Manager02:38
tritium?02:38
FR500yes02:38
FR500i can mount with mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/folder_name02:38
tritiumhrm...02:39
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Grendel|help with nForce2 sound installation anyone02:39
FR500tritium, any clues?02:40
nightgoatGrendel|, what kind of help do you need?02:40
tritiumFR500, no, not really...02:40
FR500i get a lot serial8250: too much work for irq1102:40
FR500 errors02:40
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FR500could that be it?02:41
Grendel|nightgoat: I can't get it to work, used the dl from nvidia02:41
tritiumi suppose it might be related02:41
Grendel|but how do I get the system to recognize the module? and how to get it to load automaticaly?02:42
nightgoatGrendel|, I don't recall ever installing that; you can get sound working without those drivers. In fact, I was about to install them myself until I saw that you needed to have kernel sources to do it.02:42
FR500modprobe02:42
FR500you can get it to load on demand?02:43
jpedrosahow can I have a CDRW blank? What's the proper (gui) command? :P02:43
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nightgoatGrendel|, you have no sound at all now?02:43
Grendel|nightgoat: I didn't have the hw enabled in BIOS upon install though02:43
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drspinis it possible to see how fast my cd is being written in nautilus-burn?02:43
scoonanyone here having problems w/ gdesklets + hoary using newar 100% cpu times02:43
Grendel|nightgoat: nope02:43
Grendel|nothing02:43
jdubdrspin: does your cd burner have a little window?02:43
nightgoathmm02:43
drspinjdub: LOL02:43
Grendel|even tested the mic connection (can't see back there)02:44
FR500if i mount manually, is there a way to make it appear on desktop like with cds?02:44
nightgoatGrendel|, do lspci | grep audio02:44
nightgoatwhat do you get back?02:44
Grendel|2 sec02:44
drspinperhaps I wish to know the speed at which the data is being copied to the CD02:44
Grendel|grendel@grndltux:~ $ lspci | grep audio02:44
Grendel|0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1)02:44
bitfoois livecd hoary farther along in development than install :O02:45
nightgoatGrendel|, that's better than mine goes, I get 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00ea (rev a1)02:45
jdubdrspin: don't you get the progress bar?02:45
Grendel|heh02:45
nightgoatGrendel|, you might want to install a fresh kernel02:45
nightgoatit might detect the kernel OK from there02:46
Grendel|hmm02:46
nightgoatGrendel|, that's about all I've got for ideas, it detected my onboard card OK02:46
nightgoatGrendel|, I was having trouble getting Quake3 to play sound, I installed alsa-oss and that helped, maybe you should install it as well.02:47
dholbachGrendel|: does   cat /dev/sndstat   say something?02:47
Grendel|okay...02:47
Grendel|my error people02:47
Grendel|I hadn't checked the volume controls02:48
Grendel|not used to them being set to nill02:48
Grendel|=P02:48
Grendel|*slaps myself*02:48
SavAnyone used BlueFish? how do i add an ftp so i can brows its files and create/edit/ files directly.02:48
nightgoatGrendel|, d'oh!02:48
Grendel|no shit =P02:48
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Orbohi, does anyone else use the electric sheep screensaver?02:49
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nightgoatOrbo: yes, i do02:49
Orboim just not sure how it works exactly, what do I use as the server?02:49
Orboin settings02:49
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nightgoatOrbo, I think you just leave it alone, let me check what I have02:50
Grendel|nightgoat: maybe you can help me with another thing then02:50
Grendel|I'm also trying to reach files on a win2k3 server (using login/pass)02:50
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nightgoatOrbo, do you mean where xscreensaver asks for the URL? That's completely optional.02:51
Orbooh okay02:51
Orboso I just leave it alone?02:51
nightgoatGrendel|, no idea, this computer is meant to replace windows for me :)02:51
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Grendel|heh02:51
Grendel|For me it's a learn linux thing02:51
nightgoatOrbo, yes, you'd put your own web page's URL in there if you want02:51
Grendel|brb *emptying ashtray*02:52
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nightgoatOrbo, one thing that was really annoying me when I first started using electric sheep is that it took two days to start showing interesting stuff as a screensaver. It takes a while, don't get discouraged.02:54
jpedrosaguys, in warty I could blank a CDRW prior to writing to it. is hoary any different about it? :P02:55
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nightgoatI guess the rendering process plays nice with the other processes instead of going full-bore.02:55
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Orbonightgoat: alright, how long does downloading usually take until it initializes my connection usually tops out at 100Kbps02:55
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nightgoatI don't think the downloading is the extended part, I think it's the rendering of the movies02:56
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Orboah02:56
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Iceman3301Has anyone had any luck installing k3b on Ubuntu for PPC?02:57
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mstefanusanyone here wants to hear a story?02:58
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farruinnIceman3301: haven't tried, but since it's a kde app you probably have to build it from source03:00
jpedrosawhere is the cdrom device? :P /dev/cdrom does not find anything. (Hoary)03:01
Riddellfarruinn: all KDE apps are available for all platforms03:01
RiddellIceman3301: what's the problem03:01
farruinnRiddell: not as binary03:01
Riddellfarruinn: yes they are03:01
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farruinnah, you're right, but that hasn't always been true03:03
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jdubfarruinn: eh?03:04
tritiumwow, I have mozilla-firefox running over a "ssh -X" session, and clicking on my local machine's firefox icon opens a new window for the remote client03:04
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rellikhas anyone here gotten NFS to work?03:05
farruinnjdub: perhaps I was confused, but I remember trying to install rosegarden4 but couldn't because I couldn't get a binary03:06
rellik(under ubuntu)03:06
farruinnjdub: I can't remember the exact error I got from apt, but I think that it was found but there was no available candidate03:06
farruinnor something like that03:06
jdubfarruinn: that's just packages not building03:07
jdubdefinitely not true for everything, or kde in total03:07
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Iceman3301Riddell:  Sorry for the delay03:10
Iceman3301Riddell:  I can't seem to install kde-devel03:10
mstefanusI want to report a bug, but I'm not sure it's a bug... can anyone help me?03:11
HrdwrBoBwhat is it03:11
Iceman3301I get a bunch of depends...but it says they are not installable03:12
RiddellIceman3301: k3b doesn't depend on kde-devel, what is the exact message given when you apt-get install k3b03:13
Quest-Masterjdub, I am very disappointed that wxPython couldn't be backported03:13
Quest-Master:(03:13
Quest-MasterToo bad03:13
Iceman3301Riddell: Let me give it another try and let you know here in a second....  I thought it was looking for kde-devel the last time I tried....03:14
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mstefanuswell I was helping a friend to migrate from win 98 to xp. I booted up ubuntu, opened his folders and copied his files to my ftp server using gnome's ftp client. Data from 3 separate partitions are corrupted. I dont know where the fault is....03:14
jdubQuest-Master: ?03:15
Quest-Masterjdub: Just sad that you weren't able to backport wxPython03:16
jdubQuest-Master: i still don't understand what you're talking about? backport?03:16
farruinnQuest-Master: I don't think that the ubuntu team does the backports... unless jdong is on the ubuntu team03:16
Quest-Masterjdub: Oh man.03:16
Quest-Masterjdub: I'm talking to the wrong person. XD03:16
jdubwe do not encourage or recommend or endorse any backports whatsoever03:16
Quest-Masterjdub: I thought you were jdong03:17
jdubi see.03:17
Quest-Masterjdub: There are so many "j"s in the Ubuntu community03:17
Quest-Masterjdodson03:17
Quest-Masterjdong03:17
Quest-Masterjdub03:17
Quest-MasterI get them all confused and mixed up at one point or another03:17
Quest-MasterI'm sorry, lol03:17
mstefanusanyone? A clue?03:18
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Iceman3301Riddell:  The first error I get is that there is no kde-config installed (I am compiling k3b from source)03:18
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bitfooyo03:18
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RiddellIceman3301: why not just apt-get install k3b03:18
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bitfooto upgrade to hoary do you do apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade03:18
bitfoo:O03:18
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Iceman3301I am running Ubuntu on PPC03:19
farruinnRiddell: because, like I said, it's not avaible as binary03:19
Riddellfarruinn: yes it is03:19
bitfoo:|03:19
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farruinnis warty?03:19
farruinnin*03:19
bitfooupgrade or dist-upgrade :|03:19
duelikeHi All03:19
Quest-MasterOk03:19
duelikehow are you?03:19
Quest-MasterI have a bug to report03:19
Quest-MasterWhy does the wxWidgets in Ubuntu Warty use GTK1?03:20
duelikeMay God bless you all03:20
Iceman3301Riddell:  I am running Ubuntu for PPC (Mac) and apt-get doesn't find k3b, even from the Universal source03:20
Quest-MasterThe wx developers say when building wxWidgets, it can be configured to use either GTK1 or GTK203:20
Quest-MasterWhoever maintains the package for wxWidgets must've messed up03:20
rellikhow do I file a bug report?03:20
duelikeI have a problem using ubuntu. I need to connect my computer to a windows SMB printer03:20
Quest-MasterSince they configured wx for GTK1 instead of 203:20
farruinnrellik: at bugzilla.ubuntu.com03:21
duelikeThe host of printer is 192.168.30.17 and the shared printer is HP03:21
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farruinnRiddell: are you on ppc?  Because if you are and you're getting k3b and such as binary I would like to know what's in your sources.list03:21
duelikeI have set it up on add new printer, but I can not print to the printer03:21
duelikeAny body can help me, please?03:21
rellikis there some way to find out who the maintainer of a package is? (email addr)03:22
farruinnrellik: apt-cache show [package] 03:22
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scoonduelike, is the printer stand alone or are you sharing it through a winblows box ?03:25
RiddellIceman3301: you're right, it's not there for warty.  either use the hoary version or apt-get install kdelibs-bin for kde-config03:27
duelikescoon : the printer is attached on a win98 machine with IP number 192.168.30.17, shared with the name HP03:27
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Iceman3301Riddell:  How do I add the hoary versions to my apt-get sources?03:29
RiddellIceman3301: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change warty to hoary then  apt-get update03:30
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scoonduelike, have you looked over this: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html03:30
kbrooks_and apt-get dist-upgrade03:30
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stew2How do I deny access from outside the local subnet in Apache2?03:31
stew2I'm running hoary03:31
stew2Hello?03:34
Iceman3301stew2:  I wish I had an answer for you buy I am new to linux too03:34
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stew2Huh. Yeah. I've looked in the docs everywhere. Can't find it.03:35
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farruinnIceman3301: if you run apt-get dist-upgrade you will of course be upgrading from warty to hoary...03:35
stew2These programmers make things so complicated.03:35
Br34chI'd like to know of that answer too.. :s03:35
stew2http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_access.html03:36
Iceman3301farruinn:  I have dont the upgrade, but it was only looking at warty packages03:36
stew2Doesn't tell me squat. I'd like some directions in english.03:36
Iceman3301farruinn:  I then changed all instances of warty to hoary in the config file03:36
stew2Occasionally this stuff is written in a concept of how people think. Mostly, though, not.03:36
Iceman3301farruinn:  that seemed to work...  is that the correct process?03:36
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stew2Iceman I upgraded to hoary. Works great.03:36
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bitfoodudes :|03:36
Iceman3301Riddell:  BTW, there was a hoary package for k3b03:36
farruinnIceman3301: yes, that will allow you to upgrade to hoary03:37
bitfooi went to hoary and can't start x :(03:37
RiddellIceman3301: I know, I made it03:37
Iceman3301Riddell:  Thank you so much for the help!Q03:37
bitfooso i have to use this wierd bitchx :|03:37
Iceman3301farruinn:  Thank you so much for your help too!  People have been really great in this channel.03:37
bitfooanyone know where/how to configure x.org :|03:38
bitfooor the package name of the x.org ati drivers are?03:38
bitfoocuz they aren't fglrx i think03:38
Iceman3301The only problem I have now is making the backlit beyboard on my PowerBook work with pbbuttons...  I am missing i2c-dev and i2c-keywest (I think that is the problem).  Maybe upgrading to hoary will help.03:38
jdubIceman3301: use the keybindings in gnome instead03:38
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Iceman3301jdub: keybindings will do backlit keyboard?03:39
bitfooi guess i am to assume ati is not supported in hoary :|03:39
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kbrooks_bitfoo, could be03:39
lifelessbitfoo: ati is supported, both with and without fglrx drivers03:40
bitfoothen maybe x.org can't make the switch from the xfree86-4 config?03:40
kbrooks_bitfoo, try the restructed / multiverse reositories instead03:40
bitfoodude im in straight console there is no x and i have the multiverse repos already :|03:40
kbrooks_did you apt the driver up03:41
bitfoono i did not :O03:41
bitfooi apt-get dist-upgrade03:42
bitfooi assumed that upgraded everything03:42
bitfooanyway, whats the command to configure x server using x.org instead of xfree86 :|03:42
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bitfooi thought there was some ncurses menu or something :|03:43
Iceman3301bitfoo:  apt-get update will update the list of packages and then apt-get upgrade will install the updated packages03:43
bitfooi know03:43
bitfooi did all that :|03:43
farruinnbitfoo: I think it's 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'03:43
bitfoothe configs aren't transfering over i think is the problem03:43
farruinnbitfoo, maybe move /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to Xorg03:44
farruinnor whatever the config file is supposed to be called03:44
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bitfoohmm03:44
bitfooi'll look into that too03:44
bitfoowell thanks farruinn gonna try it now :O03:44
farruinnI would try renaming the config file before dpkg-reconfigure03:45
ephiclol.03:45
ephicbitfoo, whats the problem now?03:45
ephicubuntu is niiiiiice03:45
ephicdamn, its nice03:45
meskesHoray is nice.03:45
ephichoray?03:45
meskesephic: their version of Sid.03:45
ephicah i see03:46
farruinnit's hoary btw03:46
meskesbah.03:46
meskesSemantics. :p03:46
farruinn=)03:46
meskesSo, I have one typeo.... :p03:47
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meskesThat reminds me, I have to kinda see if theres any updates for my server.03:47
EvolutionRanyone here using bridgemode dsl modem PPPoE to connect to internet? Mssg me!03:48
meskesEvolutionR: no.03:48
meskesEvolutionR: You want help, you get it in the channel. thats the whole point of the channel.03:48
Guardianngood evening03:48
meskesGuardiann: How goes?03:50
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EvolutionRI connect through rp pppoe using ./go-gui mode. I enter all the information, and connected. But when I ipconfig, I saw some errors ppp0 "RX packets:5 errors:9 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0! Then try so surf internet it cannot ! Wonder what's went wrong?03:50
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bitfooyeah :|03:51
bitfooi had to chang xorg.conf, had to change "fglrx" to "ati"03:51
bitfooso i guess fglrx doesnt work :O03:51
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EvolutionRmeskes is there any Gnome > Networking > DSL connection?03:52
meskesEvolutionR: sure there is.03:52
meskesEvolutionR: Look in the networking manager in "Desktop"03:53
ephichow do i check my vid card?03:53
EvolutionRmeskes: but on my Gnome 2.8 I doesnt list the PPPoE. I only have ppp, Eth, ...03:53
Guardianngoes well thanks and you03:54
meskesEvolutionR: Im going to pretty blunt with you. I know NOTHING about PPoE. I have had cable and DSL that both use something sane like TCP/IP03:54
meskesGuardiann: not too bad. Same ol same ol.03:54
Guardiannyeah same here :)03:54
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EvolutionRmeskes: I have DSL but cant surf internet using PPPoE. How u use the TCP/IP to connect to internet?03:55
cafuegocafuego@cachaca:~$ evolution -> Floating point exception03:55
GuardiannEvolutionR easiest way to get you mdoem working is to get a router for it03:55
EvolutionRGuardian: mine is Aztech 305E built in router I guess!03:55
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Guardiannbuilt into what03:55
tritiumwow, more and more old debian people in here all the time03:55
EvolutionRbuilt in router modem03:56
bitfoolawlz :|03:56
bitfooroflcopter :|03:56
meskestritium: I started out with CorelLinux! :p03:56
Guardiannhmmm'03:56
tritiummeskes, I haven't seen cafuego since my #debian days03:56
cafuegotritium: only plonked ubuntu on the amd64 coz Alioth was flaky.03:57
cafuegotritium: All the other machines still run Debian03:57
meskestritium: bah to #debian. They are more arrogant than I am.03:57
tjsgday, just trying to get my netgear wg511t wireless card going, it uses the atheros chipset supported by the madwifi drivers. the wiki http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards  indicates that the ath_pci and ath_hal modules are supported 'out of the box' but I dont seem to have them03:57
tritiumcafuego, cool - and good to see you03:57
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meskestritium: and yes, my server runs Sarge. ;)03:57
EvolutionRI wonder why is hard for me to connect to the internet? Used the rp pppoe successfully connected, but still cant surf internet. While I use other distro it is quite easily for me to connect to internet unlike the Ubuntu!03:58
meskesEvolutionR: you sure you have your DNS working right?03:58
meskesEvolutionR: man resolv.conf03:58
EvolutionRmeskes: after I conneted thru rp pppoe, the resolvconf listed the two DNSs.03:59
EvolutionRWhich is the ISP dns03:59
meskescan you ping anything?03:59
EvolutionRmeskes: wait04:00
EvolutionRnop04:00
EvolutionRit stuck there04:00
EvolutionRnothing really happen04:00
meskesWell, like I said, I dont know anything about PPPoE04:01
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EvolutionRhow bout tcp/ip can u guide me thru?04:02
tjsis there an ubuntu kernel that privides ath_pci et al?04:02
tritiummeskes, Sarge?  is that released yet? ;)04:02
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meskestritium: Sometime at the end of Feburary they're thinking now.04:03
cafuegotritium: Not yet, but soon.04:03
tritiumcafuego, :)04:03
cafuegotritium: (soonER)04:03
meskescafuego: I am right about the approx date though, correct?04:04
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tritiummeskes, cafuego - okay, I believe you!04:04
meskesthats what I hear along the rumor mill, anyway.04:04
cafuegomeskes: No idea what date they're aiming for these days04:04
cafuegoWhee, cpufreq works now :-)04:04
meskescafuego: Personally, Im starting to think they're like GNU/Hurd. It will be coming... someday.04:05
zzyzxrdI love the idea of pressed cds, I often get burned cds and they end up not working after a couple months.04:05
tritiumI remeber when they were debating about Gnome 2.6 making it into Sarge04:06
cafuegomeskes: Oh no... it'll come. Same happened with Woody.04:06
meskesEvolutionR: If you dont know what you are doing, I would a) STFW or b) have someone who knows what they are doing, set it up for you and pay them.04:06
cafuegoPff, scales down to half cpu speed and is 5% in use.04:07
cafuego... when I move the mouse. 0% otherwise04:07
tritiumcafuego, you're not using powernowd?04:07
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meskesIm going to eat.04:08
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scruchhi04:10
stuNNedhi scruch04:10
scruchi have a lot problem when there is the partion utility, i am not able to create fylesystem he say .. also if i use other tools ..04:10
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rellikscruch could you be a little more specific?04:11
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scruchyes04:11
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scruchHe say me : "Creation of filesystem failed"04:12
scruchthere is no way04:12
scruchthat i can04:12
scruchbypass that04:12
rellikwhich program are you using for this?04:12
scruchubuntu installer04:13
rellikoooooh :)04:13
scruch:/04:13
rellikare you partitioning manually or doing the automatic one?04:14
scruchmanually04:14
scruchbecause in hda1 i have a important win partition04:14
wastrelscruch: do you have empty partition for linux?04:14
scruchi have try like 20 times with different setting .. but.. nothing04:14
wastrelscruch: or do you need to shrink windows first?04:14
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cafuegotritium: I am now.04:14
scruchwastrel oh sure i have al tried to do th partion before ubuntu04:14
scruchbut ubuntu say you have problem! do the partion .. and then the error04:15
tritiumcafuego, ah, ok04:15
cafuegoscruch: Normally filesystem creation fails if the disk is broken.04:15
scruchhe have 27 gb i say him , "i let you handle my free space like you want" and he give me error!04:15
scruchcafuego the disk is PERFECT04:15
djtanseymy evolution in hoary won't start (crashes.) any guesses/suggestions?04:16
cafuegoscruch: What does the log on alt-F3 -F5 have to say about that?04:16
cafuegodjtansey: Same problem here. Downgrade.04:16
scruchwiat04:16
scruchthey say :04:16
scruchNo mathing physical volumes found04:16
scruchno volume groups found readin all phisical volume ..04:17
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djtanseycafuego: the evolution package or the server package? what is the easiest way to downgrade?04:17
wastrelscruch: you have second partition or you have free space in windows partition?04:17
scruch./sbin/tune2fs no soulch file or dir04:17
ephicok how do you set root's pwd after fresh install?04:17
cafuegodjtansey: I'll let you know when I finish downgrading it ;-)04:17
scruchwasabi 2 partion04:17
cafuegoephic: sudo bash; passwd04:17
scruchwastrel 2 partition04:17
pvhdjtansey: Evolution is really unstable in Hoary rihgt now04:17
cafuegoephic: Ideally just use sudo.04:17
ephicah ok thanks ;)04:17
ephicknew that part lol04:17
ephicthanks04:17
scruchhe say also : Could not fin valid fylesystem superblock04:18
tritiumglad you've joined us, cafuego.  Good night all.04:18
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scruchwhat can i do ?04:18
cafuegoscruch: Hmm.04:18
scruchhe say also "The device apparently does not exis , did you specify correctly?"04:18
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scruchwhat can i do  ? =) ihi04:19
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cafuegodjtansey: Does yours fail with 'Floating Point Exception' ?04:19
djtanseypvh: that's good to know. do you know why?04:19
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peerahelp me please i can't use usb modem on ubuntu04:20
ivarq: trying to install warty on a system with ultra2wide scsi drives, but the installer can't find the HD. any clues ?04:20
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djtanseycafuego: has a bunch of "loading group items" and then the types. then just says "evolution has crashed." haven't done it with any options passed.04:20
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scruchhe say also:04:21
scruchuser.notece hotplug-misc got unsupported event type "block"04:21
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scruchwhat can i do ? i'b just a little baby04:21
corey_my ubuntu resolves hostnames REALLLLY slowly04:22
corey_dunno why04:22
corey_doesn't do this in windows04:22
corey_but once it resolves the site it runs fast browsing wise04:23
corey_anybody help ?04:23
wastrelh8n teh doze04:23
wastrelcorey_: supposably it has to do with IPv604:23
corey_so how do i go about fixing it ?04:23
cafuegodjtansey: Ok. Mine never even gets that far. I just downgraded to: libebook1.2-3 1.1.3-0ubuntu9, libcamel1.2-1 1.1.3-0ubuntu9, evolution-data-server 1.1.3-0ubuntu9, evolution 2.1.3.2-0ubuntu3. And now it works OK.04:24
wastrelcorey_: http://ubuntuguide.org/#disableipv6-mozilla04:24
corey_thanks ill check i tout04:24
corey_gotta take 5 mins to resolve ubuntuguide.org though first04:24
wastrelheh04:25
corey_another question (sorry im new) what is the default root password, i dont remember setting one when I installed04:25
corey_to get into the network setup etc04:25
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djtanseycafuego: cool. thanks04:26
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djtanseycafuego: what is the easiest way to downgrade? apt-get install package=version?04:26
cafuegodjtansey: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/(set of debs)04:27
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corey_wow that was stupid04:28
corey_accidently closed xchat04:28
corey_did i miss anything04:28
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cafuegocorey_: yes.04:28
corey_:O04:28
cafuegoTwo joins and a dpkg -i line.04:28
wastrelcorey_: there's no root password by default.04:28
wastrelcorey_: ubuntu encourages the use of sudo04:28
cafuegos/encourage/enforce/ :-)04:29
wastrelcorey_: sudo passwd root  if you want :] 04:29
wastrelotherwise sudo bash for a root shell04:29
HrdwrBoBsudo -s for shell04:29
farruinnis there a difference between sudo bash and sudo -s -H?04:29
Abespeaking of sudo, how do you append your PATH to sudo04:29
stuNNed-H for home?04:29
corey_thanks, but what would i put when being asked for root password in the shell04:29
Iceman3301Abe:  I have the same question04:30
cafuegocorey_: Nothing, there isn't one. Yiou can run stuff with 'su -' by default.04:30
wastrelmmm sudo -s whaddayano04:30
corey_like clicking configure in network tools04:30
cafuegocorey_: That would normally ask for *your* password.04:30
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Iceman3301It seems that when I run a command with sudo, it doesn't use my default path04:31
farruinnstuNNed: something like that, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo04:31
cafuegoIceman3301: Correct.04:31
stuNNedfarruinn: thanks04:31
AbeI believe the by default sudo is complied w/ SECURE_PATH enabled04:31
corey_the password you entered is invalid04:32
corey_with mine04:32
Iceman3301cafuego:  Do you know how I can change that?04:32
djtanseycafuego: feel like sending that evolution package my way? it is no longer in the pool for i386. djtansey at gmail04:32
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wastreli heard someone else with this network tools prob04:32
djtanseycafuego: and i don't have it in archives04:32
wastrela while ago...  i think they made a root pw and that worked04:33
cafuegodjtansey: Mine won't work for you, it's amd6404:33
Roman|HomeHas anyone installed VMWare Workstation on Ubuntu?04:33
djtanseycafuego: that is in the pool :)04:33
corey_wastrel, can i do the same ?04:33
wastrelsure, i did04:33
wastreli like having a root passwd :] 04:33
cafuegodjtansey: let me check the crufty laptop04:33
corey_just make a user root ?04:33
wastrelno the user exists04:33
wastreljust sudo passwd root04:34
djtanseycafuego: thanks04:34
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djtanseycafuego: i'm running out of battery. if i run out i'll be back in a few minutes.04:34
cafuegodjtansey: That's ok, it will take a while too bot (it's REALLY crufty)04:34
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corey_wastres thanks04:35
corey_works04:35
djtanseycafuego: why would it have evolution 2.1.3 then? it was only released jan 1704:35
corey_wastrel*04:35
hamsis there a way to know what version of python the "python" package installs?04:35
cafuegodjtansey: I may have installed it in between then and now.04:35
cafuegodjtansey: it's just an OLD laptop04:35
farruinnhams: in warty it depends on python2.304:36
qcompsonanyone else have a problem with windows over-maximizing in hoary while using xcompmgr?04:37
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corey_does firefox 1.0 work with ubuntuy04:38
corey_ubuntu04:38
corey_i ran the upgrader thing and it downgraded to04:38
corey_0.9.304:38
cafuegocorey_: ii  mozilla-firefo 1.0+dfsg.1-2ub lightweight web browser based on Mozilla04:39
djtanseycafuego: might have found something that works. a mirror that hasn't updated in a while04:39
farruinncorey_: this is what I've heard: at first warty had firefox pr1.0 but it was too buggy so they reverted to 0.9.304:40
corey_i see04:40
ephicanyone had any problems with java in firefox?04:42
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stuNNedephic: if using sun's 1.5 nope works fine04:42
djtanseycafuego: yeah! yay for old mirrors!04:43
ephicerm ya04:43
ephicsee what i did..04:43
ephicwas unpack the rpm..04:43
cafuegodjtansey: Good, coz it's not on this box.04:43
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cafuegoephic: Yeah, no amd64 plugin.04:43
ephicinstalled the link to the plugin in the mozilla plugins folder..04:43
ephicnah im on i38604:43
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cafuegopoor bugger04:43
ephiclol.04:44
froustdoes anyone know if there's anything in the works for flash in amd64?04:44
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stuNNedephic: um, there is howto for it at ubuntuguide, see topic04:44
ephicah ok04:44
ephicgot the guide lol04:44
ephiclet me check it out04:44
farruinnephic: fyi, stay away from rpm's if at all possible04:44
farruinnapt is a beautiful thing =)04:44
ephicya ya i know04:45
ephiclol04:45
corey_this resoltuion time is the only thing thats pissing me off04:45
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cafuegofroust: I doubt it. Macromedia are a pack of morons that way.04:45
hamshas anyone installed gDesklets 0.33.1 ?04:45
corey_i disabled IPv604:45
ephicim gonna go ahead and get the manual extraction file04:45
corey_in firefox04:45
cafuegofroust: They're had YEARS to come up with something for PPC and haven't managed.04:45
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snowblinkhow do I set thunderbird to wrap messages at a certain width?04:46
bitfooyo i upgraded to hoary :)04:46
snowblinkwhen reading04:46
bitfoobut my mp3s dont work now :(04:46
corey_ubuntu doens't come with XMMMS :O04:46
cafuegocorey_: SO does04:46
bitfooxmms is the nice :)04:46
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cafuegoEspecially nice with Totem crashing now.04:46
bitfooyo so like, how do i reinstall all these codecs and shit :|04:47
corey_i guess i missed it ?04:47
corey_oh it doens't install the package default04:47
hamsdoes anyone know what package 'pygtk' is in apt-get, when i search i get like 5 hits that all seem different04:48
cafuegobitfoo: apt-get install w32codecs04:48
cafuegoymmv on non-x8604:48
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wastrelhams: python2.3-gtk2  looks likely04:50
wastrelhams: but what do i know...04:50
bitfooi wonder if there is an apt-get reinstall :O04:50
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cafuegoapt-get install --reinstall foo04:51
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cafuegoIf that fails, try 'apt-get moo'04:51
bitfooMOOOOOOOOOOOOOO04:51
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wastrelmplayerplug-in04:52
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cafuegoActually. is there a way to play DVDs on Ubuntu AMD64?04:52
bitfoogod wtf :|04:53
bitfooever since i went to hoary my xmms dont work :|04:53
cafuegobitfoo: Did you upgrade for an particular reason?04:53
bitfooi wanted to :|04:53
bitfooi thought applications were independent though :/04:53
cafuegoWell, that was silly, wasn't it?04:54
bitfoosilly?04:54
bitfooits fucking silly that it doesnt work04:54
bitfoothe lack of standards is god damn appalling04:54
cafuegoUpgrading to something that's got breakages all over.04:54
wastrelhow do i play a .aiff04:54
bitfoobrand new livecd worked fine04:54
bitfooso why wouldnt the install cd work?04:54
wastrelbetter, how do i convert it to mp304:54
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bitfooit makes sense to me :|04:54
cafuegobitfoo: it changes by the hour.04:55
wastrellack of standards?04:55
wastrelwhat's that supposed to mean04:55
wastrelalso : h8n teh 'doze04:55
bitfooheh04:55
bitfoobrb duke game almost over :|04:55
randabis-laptopdamn04:56
cafuegowastrel: ubuntu doesn't just use wma and wmv, like aany decent OS should :-(04:56
randabis-laptopstreamtuner is broken04:56
hamsi seem to be missing XML::Parser for perl, is there a standard ubuntu package that might have that?04:56
whiprushtry libxml-parser-perl04:56
cafuegoif that faisl, use dh-make-perl04:57
randabis-laptopthis sucks :/04:57
ephicdamn..04:57
ephici installed the sun java..04:57
rellikthere is a Direct Connect client I'd like to try but it doesn't have ubuntu packages...  can I use the debian ones instead?04:57
wastrel<3 audacity04:57
ephicput a link in the plugins dir for mozilla..04:57
wastreli converted my aiff to wav04:57
cafuegoephic: Did you forget to run it though make-jpkg ?04:58
ephicnaw the rpm installed it right04:58
ephici checked04:58
cafuegoephic: You did WHAT???04:58
ephiclol.04:58
ephici used the rpm04:58
cafuegoHow?04:58
ephicthe command alien for rpm packing.04:58
cafuegoOk, that's not as bad as it could be.04:59
ephiclol04:59
ephicbut anyway, it installed the java04:59
ephicand i put a link to the plugin..04:59
ephicyet, when i go to yahoo games to play pool..04:59
ephicgives me the error that i dont have java.04:59
ephicim getting a java script console04:59
ephicwithout errors.04:59
wastreljavascript != java05:00
cafuegoit faisl to find the libs and/or binaries.05:00
ephicah i see05:00
cafuegoephic: yeah.Remove the deb you made, download the .bin from sun, run it though make-jpkg.05:00
ephicah i see, alrighty.05:00
ephicalready got the bin as well05:00
cafuegothen install the reulting .deb05:00
ephicjust figured since it was installed//05:00
ephick05:00
cafuegoThat will automagically do the plugin and config it.05:00
ephicah i see ;D05:01
ephicty05:01
wastrelbye05:01
bitfoowow there is no synaptics in hoary :O05:01
regeyaeep05:01
cafuegono what?05:02
zenroxwhat05:02
regeyawhat's the new gui tool, anyway?05:02
jdubbitfoo: yes there is05:02
zenroxi am using snyaptic now in hoary05:02
cafuegoThe touchpad driver is in Xorg.05:02
qcompsonbitfoo: my xmms hasn't worked since the upgrade to hoary, either05:02
Guardiannhow come05:02
cafuegoHint: if warty works fine, don't upgrade.05:03
randabis-laptopbitfoo yes there is05:03
cafuegorandabis-laptop: He just mis spelled it.05:03
randabis-laptopoh05:03
cafuegosynaptic != synaptics05:03
Guardiannwhy hasnt your xmms worked05:03
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randabis-laptopI know05:03
qcompsonsegmentation fault05:04
randabis-laptopI just assumed he was talking about the other05:04
cafuego<heh>05:04
randabis-laptopyeah my xmms only works on the laptop (hoary). but it seg faults with my desktop and my sisters box (both hoary)05:04
zenroxqcompson,  its choaking on some dir that has a spance in it05:04
zenroxspace05:04
cafuegoxmms is running fine here, playing mp3s off the nfs server05:05
zenroxthat was my prob till i ran it thaure bt just to see what was causing it05:05
randabis-laptopbeep media player works on those other boxes though05:05
randabis-laptopso I use it for them05:05
qcompsonzenox: as in the directory name has a space in it?05:06
zenroxyep05:06
qcompsonhow could I not have it search for directories on start-up?05:06
zenroxor some other special carter like ()*&^%$#@!05:07
randabis-laptopI just want streamtuner to work :/ I need to find some stations to rip05:07
zenroxrandabis-laptop, use streamriper05:07
randabis-laptopI know05:07
randabis-laptopI do use streamripper05:07
randabis-laptopI need to FIND stations05:07
zenroxand go to www.shoutcast.com to get a list05:07
randabis-laptopk05:08
randabis-laptopI still like streamtuner though :/05:08
qcompsonas far as stations go, I love groove-salad...05:08
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zenroxsoma-fm is good05:11
qcompsonwww.somafm.com05:11
zenroxya05:11
qcompsonlol totally05:11
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zenrox ::::::::::| synerdata.com |:::::::::: 160k  <--this too kicks05:11
zenroxbut slower than soma05:12
zenroxbeat wise05:12
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bitfoo:|05:14
qcompsonI'll have to check it out05:15
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ficusplanetHey, does anybody know if usplash is going to make it into hoary?05:16
bur[n] erficusplanet: check the wiki?05:16
OddAbe19ficusplanet, yes05:17
bitfooSOMAFM is awesome :|05:17
bitfooso is sleepbot05:18
ficusplanetOddAbe19, When will we be able to test?  Has it been released yet?05:18
bitfooi think i have to reinstall :|05:19
snowblinkif something is GPLed, does that mean I should be able to get the source code?05:20
stuNNedyep05:20
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stuNNedsnowblink: one way or the other05:20
snowblinkTrying to get source code for ipodder, because they only have RPMs available05:21
stuNNedsnowblink: check for a .src.rpm05:21
snowblinkthey claim it's GPLed, but I can't figure out a way to get it05:21
snowblinkNot one that I can see05:21
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bitfooso does anyone here use debian?05:22
bitfooi just wanted to know real world differences :|05:22
stuNNedsnowblink: do they have cvs?05:22
stuNNedsnowblink: you can try a 'wget -r their_site' and see what you can find05:23
brc_ubnutugreetings05:23
stuNNedhi brc_ubnutu05:23
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dutchgood night05:24
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snowblinkstuNNed: cannot see a CVS05:24
snowblinkstuNNed: wget -r sounds a bit hostile05:24
bitfooman fsck this im reinstalling warty :(05:25
stuNNedhow is it hostile if you are just looking for the source code they claim to offer?05:25
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swimhay05:26
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stuNNedbitfoo: did the same.05:27
p00phi.. has anyone gotten kismet working with a linksys wpc11v3?05:27
brc_running hoary...when I upgraded (from warty) the icons on my 'taskbar' (proper gnome terminology?) for running apps shrunk...now they're just the icon and first letter of the app name05:27
brc_I can't seem to figure out how to set their size05:27
swimI'm bored of normal gui desktop environments, I want something different.05:27
Agrajagsnowblink: is this the same ipodder from ipodder.sf.net?05:27
bitfoowhirred stunned :|05:28
snowblinkAgrajag: yup05:28
bitfooswim: 3ddesktop?05:28
Agrajagsnowblink: then what's the problem?05:28
AgrajagIt's written in python.05:28
AgrajagPython is interpreted.05:28
swimbitfoo, yah I guess though buggy as hell05:28
qcompsonbrc: you can choose a minimum size in the taskbar preferences05:28
AgrajagThat means it runs the source code almost directly05:28
snowblinkAgrajag: okay, so I grab the RPM?05:29
bitfooreally? it worked fine for me :|05:29
Agrajagwhat I'm saying here is, if you installed ipodder-1.1.2-1cl.noarch.rpm you installed the source05:29
AgrajagI would assume so05:29
bitfooi just bound it to f9 to activate and then left right arrows to switch through and space to select :|05:29
snowblinkAgrajag: cool. I'll give it a go. Thanks05:29
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snowblinkAgrajag: just used to RPMs being binaries05:31
ficusplanetAre the entries for the web site redesign posted anywhere yet?05:31
froustCan anyone recommend a good html editor with built in preview (not wysiwyg)?05:31
farruinnbluefish?05:32
ficusplanetfroust, The only one I know of with preview is quanta.05:32
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ficusplanetfarruinn, There is no built in preview in bluefish.05:32
donhi05:32
farruinnficusplanet: ok, for some reason I thought it did. Personally I use vim+firefox05:33
p00phas ANYONE used a wpc11v3 with ubuntu?05:33
frousti think i found one... erwin05:33
p00pi think i'm the only one who has noticed that it stops working after a couple reboots.05:33
ficusplanetfarruinn, I went through phases of using bluefish and screem, but I just ended up thinking both were overkill.05:34
ficusplanetp00p, I've been using one for several weeks now, actually.05:35
p00pficusplanet, what driver are you using?05:35
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Br34choh mai.. im bad. Crashed it for the 5th time today :(05:35
ficusplanetI'm actually not even sure, it just worked.  I'll check - just a sec.05:35
p00pficusplanet, ahh, so you haven't attempted to use kismet or anything like that?05:35
ficusplanetp00p, No, I've just used network-admin and netapplet.05:36
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p00pficusplanet, ok, i guess it doesn't really apply to me then. but you haven't noticed that after a few reboots you need to reinstall ubuntu to get the card to recognize again?05:36
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ficusplanetNope.  I doesn't scan, though.  That's pretty annoying.05:37
p00pyeah05:37
p00pthe card just stops recognizing after about 3 reboots05:37
joshtyi just installed ubuntu (warty) couldn't get the hoary iso working. is there a quick ref to tell me how to switch to the hoary mirrors and update it so it uses the hoary rep?05:37
p00pthe last ubuntu install it wouldn't pick it up at all, but live cd works and knoppix std works with kismet. and a reinstall of ubuntu causes the card to work again05:38
ficusplanetWhat do you mean by stops recognizing?  Does orinono_cs load?05:38
p00pnope.05:38
p00pno drivers load05:38
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p00pif i load manually, the card doesn't get eth1 assigned to it and just won't work05:38
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ficusplanetp00p, Does sudo modprobe orinoco_cs do anything?  Or adding orinoco_cs to your /etc/modules?05:38
p00pi haven't added to /etc/modules, but sudo modprobe orinoco_cs just loads the modules. the card still doesn't work05:39
p00pthe modules show up on lsmod, but the card isn't given a network interface05:39
p00pif it's worth anything, my pc speaker beeps when i pull the card out, and it beeps then gives a sad sounding beep when i put it in05:39
ficusplanetWell, I would try first putting orinoco_cs into /etc/modules so that it loads on boot - even though hotplug really should just find it.05:40
p00pyeah05:40
p00photplug found it the first couple boots05:40
p00pthen it died05:40
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ficusplanetThat's quite strange.  I've had no problems.05:41
joshtyanyone?05:42
p00pjoshty, there is something on the wiki i think05:43
p00pjoshty, google for something like upgrade hoary site:ubuntulinux.org05:43
ficusplanetjoshty, Just replace the every instance of the word "warty" in your sources.list with the word hoary and then apt-get update.05:43
farruinnjoshty: change every instance of 'warty' to 'hoary' in /etc/apt/sources.list05:43
joshtythanks05:43
joshtythen just apt-get update system or whatever the command is?05:43
farruinnapt-get dist-upgrade05:44
joshtyah thankees :)05:44
swimanyone using e17 on ubuntu?05:44
ficusplanetheh, I feel so used05:44
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ficusplanetha05:45
meskesswim: I think the question is more like this... is there anyone using E at all?05:45
stuNNedmeskes: heh05:45
EvolutionRhow to upgrade to Hoary? I've done update the warthy & distr -upgrade but only changes to 2.6.8-14 not 2.6.10????05:45
meskesEvolutionR: Apt will not upgrade the kernel.05:46
meskesYou have to tell it to05:46
EvolutionRmeskes: how to upgrade to hoary?05:46
ficusplanetEvolutionR, The easiest way is probably just to download the recently released array cd 305:46
meskesEvolutionR: at the rate you're going I dont think you need to05:46
p00plol05:47
EvolutionRwhy?05:47
meskesEvolutionR: take small, BABY steps man.05:47
swimmeskes, i think e16 is quite good... e17 even better, I know many people on other distros that use E... so I wouldnt be too surprised to see someone in here05:47
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EvolutionRwaht is E05:47
swimenlightenment05:48
meskesEvolutionR: I dont think you know enough about linux to be running something thats got the potental of taking a shit on you at any moment.05:48
EvolutionRficusplanet: wat is the url website for the CD 3?????05:48
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EvolutionRu mean not stable????05:48
meskesEvolutionR: thats right05:48
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ficusplanethttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-3/05:49
EvolutionRokie :( wait till april05:49
farruinnEvolutionR: we don't like to use that word around here - we prefer "development branch" ;)05:49
EvolutionR:)05:49
regeyaE == enlightenment windowmanager, a once-interesting windowmanager that's slowly becoming something awesome...though by the time it does, I fear something else will be better than E05:49
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EvolutionRfarruinn: wat word?05:49
farruinnunstable05:49
farruinnalthough I guess you actually didn't use it...05:49
meskesregeya: I thought it was annoying. like trying to be all 1984ish05:49
meskesfarruinn: there is nothing with the term of "unstable" in my eyes.05:50
meskesfarruinn: one must assume that something thats under a rather constant dev cycle will have to be "unstable"05:51
EvolutionRmeskes: yeah!05:51
meskesThats just me though05:51
EvolutionRcomeon be open guys this is open source should be open not close minded05:51
regeyameskes, I agree.  a lot of emphasis on being pretty, not enough on being less user-hostile ;-)05:52
meskesregeya: Dude, its like watching a sick combination of 2001 and 1984. E scares me that much05:52
meskes"Hello Dave. We're watching you." *shudder*05:53
EvolutionRI only mention <EvolutionR> u mean not stable???? not unstable!05:53
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regeyahahaha05:53
EvolutionR:)05:53
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EvolutionRbe kwel guys05:54
EvolutionRI never says Hoary is unstable05:54
EvolutionRNever mind!05:54
meskesEvolutionR: at least its not woody. Thats so stable it should e dead.05:54
meskess/e/be05:55
Br34chWell mates, no need that this needs to be slithered upon. Let's just ... uhh.. group hug or something.. like those.. guys.. at ubuntu do!05:55
EvolutionRhahhaha idle05:55
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regeyaqgww05:55
EvolutionRmeskes : idle dead! hahahha05:55
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K-Richgreets05:55
EvolutionRmeskes: u hugs urself everynite? so nice ahhaah05:55
TheGorfsooo my query for tonight is thus:  How do I modify the default application for video files.  So that instead of totem, it offers mplayer?05:55
TheGorfIn Gnome that is.  If it matters05:56
Adrenalproperties/open with05:56
bur[n] erno no no05:56
meskesOh Oh Oh I do have to say that upgrading to Horay fixed something with smbclient in Gnome 2.8... now I cam mount my Samba share.05:56
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TheGorfAdrenal: I discovered that method, but I was hoping there was a list maintained somewhere, so that I could make that change to all video types at once05:57
bur[n] erwrong window... sorry ;)05:57
EvolutionRmeskes: that's why I want to try the Hoary upgrading....my pppoe here sucks cant surf net05:57
K-Richspeaking of samba... can a linux share a windows printer (ie can this box print to the printer on my windows box?)05:57
ficusplanetyes05:57
TheGorfK-Rich:  Yes05:57
K-Richhow would i do it... on windows the printer says it's shared but i don't see it listed when i browse it wish nautilus05:58
K-Richs/wish/with05:58
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EvolutionRmeskes: let say I've downloaded the disc 3 of hoary...how do I run it? on boot? or synaptic or apt get?05:59
asproK-Rich, use the printing thing in system configuration and add it?05:59
ficusplanetyou can add it as a source in synaptic or boot it.  I would recommend booting and installing clean.06:00
TheGorfin the printer setup it prompts you for the Printer Type.  Specify that it is a network Printer, and select the "Windows Printer (SMB)" option.  YOu can then specify the UNC path to the server06:00
Br34chLots of people seem to be having incompatibility problems and such with printers.. does .. Hory attempt to absolve anything to this? :s06:00
Br34chHoary* hmm, sounds odd.. :>06:00
Adrenaleheh06:00
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K-RichTheGorf: so for host use 'smb://fred' and then printer use the name windows gives it?06:01
Br34chAnd oh.. how "necessary" is it that I should have a firewall?06:02
hamsis there a font viewer?06:02
doug_harveyhello.  i installed ubuntu 4.10 on an old NEC system.  everything is fine except that the GDM login screen is at too high a resolution and looks strange.  once i login and as a user change the resolution to 1024x78 it is fine, but once i logout the resolution reverts back to something else.  i tried gdmsetup but it doesn't have an option for screen resolution.  how do i change this?   any help would be much appreciated.06:02
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ficusplanethams, Go to fonts:/// in nautilus06:03
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TheGorfK-Rich: The Host is of course the hostname or IP of the winblows machine.  Printer is the share name of the printer, and of course you get username and password I assume.06:04
hamswhich menu is nautilus in?06:04
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Br34chI recently got Firestarter.. and uhm, when it asks for root pw.. it takes it as "incorrect" when I give it.. :x06:04
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ficusplanetIt's just the file manager.  Go to any folder and click open location06:04
quarupthi06:04
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K-RichTheGorf: right but it's my dad's windows box so he has it set up with guest access (despite my suggestions to the contrary) so there is no need for a username and password06:05
K-Rich(though if i can get the modem we have to work through usb on ubuntu he's willing to switch :D)06:05
hamsok, how do i figure out what the "X" name of the font is? trying to use it inside of torsmo06:06
kapputuhow do I play files of type .rmvb06:06
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FLeiXiuSAnyone running the Hoary development?06:07
froustyup06:08
FLeiXiuSI like it a bit more, although Xorg is sucking up a lot more resources then XFree was06:08
K-Richis there any chance the usb connection to the modem will work with Ubuntu ?06:08
K-Rich(i think it's a longshot)06:08
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ficusplanetK-Rich, It depends on the specific modem, not on the usb connection.06:09
K-RichSpeedstream 520006:09
ficusplanetFLeiXiuS, I'm liking hoary a lot.  I'm really encouraged by the improvements in oo.org2.  And beagle - not officially packaged, but pretty easy to install - is just getting better and better.06:10
K-Richficusplanet: Speedstream 5200, one cool thing is it doubles as a router :)06:10
FLeiXiuSficusplanet, there's a lot more deb packages available now, it's so much easier then compiling everythign as I did with warty.06:10
ficusplanetK-Rich, I haven't played with that modem (is it dsl), but broadband connections are generally pretty straightforward.06:11
ficusplanetFLeiXiuS, Definitely.  I'm really looking forward to all the mono stuff being packaged and one-click-away.06:12
K-Richficusplanet: yeah, its a dsl modem/router06:12
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ficusplanetK-Rich, You might actually have a compelling reason to a) move to hoary or b) at least wait for the preview release because the next version of g-s-t has pppoe support.06:13
hou5tonmy son just got Ubuntu on this laptop, and it has version 2.0.8 XChat, .... and I can't figure out how to get a later version ... like 2.4.x ???06:14
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K-Richficusplanet: either that or get my hands on a little 4 port hub :P06:15
ficusplanethou5ton, Is something missing that you need/want?06:15
hou5tonsounds working properly06:16
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hou5tonon this version, there is no Sounds on Settings/Preferences06:16
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ficusplanethou5ton, Well, you could either use gaim for irc or download the latest version of xchat from xchat.org - or upgrade to hoary on march 9th.06:17
hou5tonficusplanet: well, new to this, ... but I take you mean by that, that hoary will have the later version?06:17
ephicis there a set of keys that restart linux?06:17
Agrajagthe reset button06:18
ephici know, 'keys'06:18
hou5tonalso, .. i've been reading about synaptic, .... but don't see gnucash or inkscape listed in there06:18
ficusplanethou5ton, Hoary is the next version of ubuntu.  You could upgrade to it right now, but it is a development version so it may not be as solid as what you have right now, which is referred to as "warty."06:18
hou5tonI'm still trying to read through the material, ... but06:18
hou5tonficusplanet: can i just do a root terminal and:  aptget gnucash   ??06:19
hou5tonis that how that works06:19
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ficusplanethou5ton, You can just click computer>>synaptic package manager and search for whatever you want.06:20
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ficusplanetWow.  I just read on the users list that the devs are looking at NetworkManager again for hoary+1.  Is this true?  What made them change their minds about it?06:21
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meskeshou5ton: I ratted you out! .:)06:22
SuperL4ghou5ton: what kind of no good are you up to? :)06:22
meskes>:), that is06:22
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hou5tondoesn't matter to me06:22
jdubficusplanet: nothing06:22
hou5tonJoshua did it06:22
meskeshahaha06:22
meskeshou5ton: I would like to meet your son.06:22
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ficusplanetjdub, I heard it getting scarier and scarier code-wise and that you guys were wanting to stay away from it.  Is that not true?06:23
ficusplanet*heard it was06:23
jdubmost of those issues have been resolved or explained06:24
meskeshou5ton: I think ubuntu is more along your style anyway. Its not crap like slack and it will give you time to learn more about linux without having to remember everything all the time like you do in Gentoo.06:24
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SuperL4gmeskes: I've met 'em.  He's a good kid.06:24
ficusplanetAwesome, I'm really glad that distros will be cooperating/coming together around that solution.  That will be a huge step forward.06:24
meskeshou5ton: thats why I use it. I know how to do things the "hard way" and Im going to admit, Im too lazy to do it like that all the time. :)06:25
ficusplanetjdub, Do you have any more information on the web design contest?  Are the entries posted anywhere?06:26
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phinis there a decent program to do samba shares in gtk?06:29
jdubficusplanet: nup, just the announce06:29
ficusplanetjdub, Alright.  Well, my colleagues and I are going to give it a run this weekend.06:30
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OrboI'm having some trouble with electric sheep06:35
Orboit works fine06:35
Orbobut no fullscreen06:35
ficusplanetphin, There is a new tool in hoary/GNOME 2.10 to configure samba and NFS shares.06:35
phinwhat is the name of it?06:36
ficusplanetshares-admin06:36
ficusplanetIt's in gnome-system-tools06:36
phinthanks06:36
phinah ok06:36
phini should have it then06:36
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phini do not have gnome installed06:36
phinbut i have some things06:36
phini use fluxbox :)06:36
phinthis pc is to slow06:37
Orbonobody knows electric sheep?06:37
phin'hehe06:37
froustanyone know how i can get the verdana font on here?06:37
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jdubfroust: msttcorefonts06:37
zenroxfroust,  ya what jdub  said06:37
froustthanks!06:37
froustthat's all i have to do?06:39
ficusplanetyup06:39
hou5tonficusplanet: what I can't figure out is how to get synaptic to show me the new packages to choose from.  It's only showing me the ones I already have.  ??06:39
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ficusplanethou5ton, If you go to Settings>>Repositories and then check the box that have universe in the sections, you'll have a much bigger selection.  Oh, and click reload after you check those boxes.06:40
frousthrm. verdana still isn't showing up in webpages06:42
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froustnevermind06:43
hou5tonficusplanet: ok,..... there are two of them that do that, ... and when I check those boxes it asks if i'm sure, because the packages are unsupported..    Is that still ok?06:43
ficusplanetYeah.06:44
ficusplanetYou just can't get tech support from ubuntu developers/canonical about those programs.06:44
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hou5tonahhhh, .... now that makes a big difference.  :-)06:45
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K-Richhow Odd... the pressed CDs i got won't boot in my dads box, so i made and ISO and burned it, and that boots!06:48
frousthow can i set up an ftp server on my box?06:48
awstotttdl ncftp and install06:49
jdubfroust: vsftpd06:49
jdubawstottt: 'server'06:49
awstotttncftpd is a server06:49
awstotttclient and server06:49
awstotttcan do both06:49
jdubplus, it's not supported06:49
awstotttlooks like you have ot pay for it too06:50
Syehello06:51
ficusplanethi06:51
cafuegoncftp is the client, it's free-ish06:51
cafuegoDoesn't do anything lftp can't do.06:51
hou5tonficusplanet: for example, it brings up four gnucash packages, but when I click to mark the main one, "gnucash" for installation, it gives me four other dependencies to mark, but when I do that, it says it can't install gnucash-common because of other dependencies that are unistallable?06:51
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froustbrb06:52
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hou5tonthat is confusing to me, because I thought ubuntu just took care of all that"?06:52
ficusplanethou5ton, Did you click the reload button after changed the repositories?06:53
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SuperL4ghou5ton: you just can't wait, can you?06:53
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hou5tonficusplanet: should I just check all repository options in the preferences?06:54
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keldrumAnyone experirencing difficulty running Evolution while connecting to an Exchange 2003 server? I can see my folder list & the calendar works fine but when I try to view the messages in my inbox I receive the following message "Could not connect to Evolution Exchange backend process: No such file or directory." Any Ideas would be greatly appreciated.06:56
ficusplanetHaving universe and main ought to be enough to install gnucash, but you might not have the main web repository enabled.  The first line in the repos box is your cdrom.  You can uncheck that and check the two beneath it if they are off.06:56
whiprushOrbo: you need to add --zoom in the advanced tab to get fullscreen06:56
hou5tonficusplanet: that seemed to have fixed it, ... i checked the other repository options06:57
bitfoorepos should be smart :|06:57
bitfooyou shouldn't have to edit the list06:57
bitfooit should pop up and say "yo gnucash is available, but it might not be compatible.  it's only availabe in development and testing stages right now."06:57
bitfoo:|06:57
da_bon_bonhow do i check whether a cd i got is bootable or not ? it says its bootable, but doesnt boot!06:58
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ficusplanetbitfoo, I don't think the ubuntu folks want to have the unsupported stuff enabled by default.06:58
Orbowhiprush the advanced tab in xscreensaver?06:59
jdubbitfoo: unsupported doesn't mean 'in development', it means unsupported :)07:00
whiprushthere's 2, one for the ee saver, and another one (the gui is kind of obtuse)07:00
whiprushbut where the command lines options are.07:00
Orbooh I see on the command line options, thankks07:00
whiprushadd a --zoom07:00
whiprushright07:00
froustwhen i try running ftp, i get this error "500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket"07:00
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Orbowhiprush, added the --zoom, now the preview is just blank07:02
whiprushyeah I noticed that too ... the saver itself should be fullscreen when it displays though07:03
kakaltocould someone please help me with a graphic card issue?07:03
whiprushat least it does for me07:03
ficusplanetkakalto, What's the problem?07:03
hou5tonficusplanet: SUCCESS07:03
hou5tonthanks07:03
ficusplanethou5ton, np.  Congrats.07:03
Orbothanks07:03
kakaltoapparently XFree86 supports my video card, but my comp complains about it, and won't go into interface07:04
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ficusplanetWhat card/chipset is it?07:04
kakaltoS3 Trio64V+07:04
kakaltoIs it a simple matter of opening the xfree86 config file and changing the driver used?07:05
ficusplanetkakalto, Possibly.  That would be the first thing to check, certainly.07:05
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ficusplanetkakalto, I believe the driver should just be s3.07:06
kakaltohow do I get out of vim....07:06
kakaltoI'm very not-used to vim07:07
kakaltoctrl + q?07:07
kakaltonope07:07
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ficusplanetI don't generally use it, but Shit+ZZ I think should do it.07:07
ficusplanet*Shift. Oops.07:07
kakaltolol07:08
kakaltonah07:08
DakeeHi, does the ubuntu live cd support centrino 2200 wireless chipset?07:08
kakaltodidn't work07:08
ficusplanetkakalto, Really.  It just worked over here.07:08
kakaltodidn't work here07:09
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kakaltobut I just switched to screen 207:09
ficusplanetOK07:09
kakaltobut...07:09
kakaltothe driver is set as s307:09
kakalto:(07:09
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ficusplanetAre the refresh rates on your monitor correct?07:10
kakaltoI would have no idea07:10
ficusplanetWhat monitor do you have?07:10
kakaltoan old one...07:10
kakaltoKTX SVGA Pluss07:10
kakalto*Plus07:10
kakaltoah07:10
kakaltofound the settings07:11
kakalto50/60hz07:11
kakalto90-135 VAC07:11
kakaltohang on...07:11
kakaltothis is power07:11
kakaltomodel number!07:11
kakaltoCAD-135M07:11
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ficusplanetI've never heard of ktx.  Is this a laptop?07:13
kakaltonope07:14
kakaltowe've had ktx screens for years07:14
kakaltoand all of the ktx screens we have are old :P07:15
ficusplanetYeah, I can't find technical information for them anywhere, unfortunately.07:15
MacPlusG3ktx went bust a number of years ago07:16
kakalto:(07:16
kakaltowell, I found a slashdot article to do with configuring...07:17
paulproteusI can usually find information on old monitors by Googling for xf86config+monitorname07:17
bitfoohoary is god damn evil :|07:17
bitfoocompared to warty :|07:17
frousti love hoary07:17
cafuegoYoooy!07:18
bitfoomost things broke and are slower for me compared to warty07:18
bitfooi am the sad :(07:18
kakaltopaulproteus, even if you search just for this monitor on google, you don't get much07:18
cafuegoif I fix Evolution I can't log into Gnome, if I can log into Gnome, Evolution crashes.07:18
bur[n] erwarty works well... just older software now... firefox .9.3 still kicks along07:18
paulproteuskakalto: Sorry to hear that.07:18
kakaltohowever (!)07:18
kakaltoyou get 10 results07:18
kakaltoand one of them is monitor-drivers.com07:19
bitfoobur[n] er, not if you use the backports07:19
bitfoo:|07:19
kakaltobut sadly the driver is for win98 :(07:19
bitfoobefore i tried hoary upgrade today i had latest firefox, gaim, etc :|07:19
bur[n] erhrm... that a seperate repository bitfoo?  or each package individually?07:19
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ron_frownanyone here installed ubuntu on ppc?07:20
cafuegoron_frown: Not yet.07:20
ron_frownfuck07:20
ron_frownI have07:20
bitfooits a separate repository. its the updated packages that are built against hoary, rebuilt against warty packages so they work for the stable version07:20
bitfooseems common sense to me :|07:20
ron_frownbut it gives me a little questionmark, and blinking folder07:20
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ron_frownapparently filesystems were screwed07:20
cafuegoron_frown: If it's as much like Debian as the x86 version is, it should work fine.07:20
bitfoocheck ubuntuforums.org under 3rd party development for repos :O07:20
cafuegoron_frown: Ah. Didn't set up the bootloader properly.07:20
cafuegoron_frown: What PPC is it?07:21
hou5tonI have added a folder and an application to the Applications Menu, according the docs by running "applications:///" in the home dir, ... but it doesn't show up then, when I go back to the Applications Menu?:07:21
hou5tonany ideas?07:21
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ficusplanethou5ton, First, just run killall gnome-panel to see if it will just update after the panels reload.07:23
ron_frownmacmini g407:23
ron_frownI installed yaboot07:23
ron_frownwell ubuntu did install it07:23
cafuegoooh!07:23
ron_frownit just didnt work like it should07:23
ron_frowndoesnt really matter07:24
MacPlusG3ron_frown: check the debian-powerpc list07:24
ron_frownI am going to install osx on partitions first07:24
ron_frownthen reinstall07:24
ron_frownI didnt have any os on this machine before I tried ubuntu07:24
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K-Richugh... help07:24
memo_Help here too :)07:24
hou5tonficusplanet: absolutely.  thanks again07:24
ficusplanethou5ton, np07:24
FLeiXiuSmemo_, K-Rich ask away!07:24
K-Richfor some reason i can't see my windows box on the lan (can't even ping it) but... it can ping me !!!07:24
ficusplanetK-Rich, memo_, What's up?07:24
cafuegoron_frown: Well, you can boot off the install Cd to try and fix things up.07:24
cafuegoron_frown: Check the partition map. make sure you have a MacOS bootstrap aprtition and that yaboot.conf points at it.07:25
cafuegoron_frown: Then run 'ybin -v' and see what it spits out regarding penguin pee.07:25
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K-Richficusplanet: any idea what would cause this?07:25
memo_First time that I use Linux, and while installing I selected a wrong keyboard map. Now I can't type special characters (actually, I could but I would have to search the keys)07:25
FLeiXiuSK-Rich, do you have any firewalls setup on your PC?  Are they're any IP-Tables?07:25
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ron_frownI cant even get the sun bitch to boot linux =)07:26
ron_frownor a bootloader07:26
ron_frownbut we'll see after this07:26
linux-rulzron_frown: what is going on?07:26
ficusplanetmemo_, Are you in GNOME?07:26
K-Richnone on mine... not sure on his.... though it did work last night which is odd... only thing different is i setup to share a folder07:26
gamecatSo, mounted volumes. I've got 2 vfats and a ntfs that mount on setup and act almost exactly the way I want 'em to.07:26
memo_Indeed. It's the default for Ubuntu, I think.07:26
gamecatEXCEPT that they put icons on the desktop.07:27
gamecatI'd rather those not be there.07:27
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K-Richlet me see on his.... could be the router as well i assume07:27
ficusplanetOK, click computer>>preferences>>keyboard and change your layout in there.07:27
gamecatanyone know how to prevent those?07:27
ron_frowninstall on my macmini it went through entire install07:27
ron_frownrebooted, and got little blinking mac/questionmark07:27
ron_frownbut I think I am fixing it07:27
ficusplanetgamecat, go into the configuration editor in the system tools menu.07:27
cafuegoron_frown: Insert Ubuntu CD, boot with finger on 'c' key.07:27
gamecatyeh?07:27
ficusplanetgamecat, navigate to apps>>nautilus>>desktop07:27
linux-rulzah...dont have much experience with PPC/Linux07:28
ficusplanetgamecat, then disable volumes on desktop07:28
memo_Thanks!07:28
ficusplanetmemo_, np07:28
memo_I hadn't noticed the 'Computer' part07:28
memo_I thought that it was part of the applications menu07:28
MacPlusG3ron_frown: actually... try holding down apple-option-shift-delete on bootup. this tells the mac to "search all other drives/partitions for something that's bootable".07:28
gamecatthanks, ficus. Will that keep CDs from showing up too?07:28
ficusplanetgamecat, I'm not sure.07:28
memo_Another question, what package I'm supossed to download when selecting stuff for Ubuntu?07:29
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ron_frownwell i am installing osx on new partitions leaving about 10g for linux07:29
gamecatHmm. Ideally, I'd like a plain ol' blacklist of volumes that can't show up.07:29
ron_frownso I will in a sec07:29
gamecatwill investigate further.07:29
ficusplanetmemo_, What do you mean?  When you're trying to get extra software?07:29
ron_frownI tried that command option p + r07:29
gamecatat any rate, thanks!07:29
memo_Yes.07:29
pvhWould someone please link me to a tutorial on CVS->DEB?07:29
memo_There are packages for fedora, mandrake, redhat, etc07:29
ron_frownbut what does zapping pram do, and I never heard the "three bongs"07:29
pvhWhich is to say, I'd like to check out a package and build it into a deb file.07:29
ficusplanetmemo_, Just go to computer>>system configuration>>synaptic07:29
ficusplanetmemo_, You can install software from there.07:29
memo_(In this case, i'm trying to update Gaim)07:30
ficusplanetpvh, Just use checkinstall.07:30
pvhficusplanet: Thanks. I'll look into that.07:30
gamecatto a new version, memo?07:30
gamecati.e. one that's not included in warty?07:30
FLeiXiuSI'm a huge fan of Apt, so I'd go with apt-get update && apt-get ugrade -y -f :-)07:30
ficusplanetmemo_, The package format in debian based systems is .deb.  However, you should just stick to the repositories in ubuntu, really.07:30
gamecatyou might be interested in doing a search on the wiki for hoary backports.07:30
memo_OK. Thanks :)07:31
juliogo to www.ubuntuguide.org and follow the instructions to add new repositories.07:31
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gamecatthese will mostly work as well as the regular warty repositories.07:31
juliomemo07:31
ficusplanetpvh, np07:31
pvhficusplanet: That looks like just what I needed. Thanks!07:31
ficusplanetnp07:31
cafuegoron_frown: Zapping the PRAM resets where it THINKS it should boot from. If you don't hear the chime twice, it didn't zap.07:31
memo_Julio> OK.07:31
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ron_frownMacPlusG3 - how does ubuntu run on macs? and can I slim down ubuntu distro?07:32
ron_frowneg, rip out kde and such?07:32
julioubuntu doesn't come with KDE.07:32
ron_frownor is it more designed ot be a mass deployed desktop07:32
julioit only comes with GNOME.07:32
MacPlusG3ron_frown: kde doesn't ship :)07:32
danielsron_frown: it runs fine, and ubuntu never ships kde in the first place07:32
ron_frownthats not the point07:32
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ron_frownI was dealing with gentoo07:32
ron_frownwhere you install only what you need etc07:32
ficusplanetron_frown, if you want to do a really slim install, run custom from the initial prompt07:32
ron_frowndoesnt install shitloads of stuff you'll never use07:32
MacPlusG3ron_frown: you can do a minimal install, and then add stuff. but default is good, saves you a lot of time.07:32
MacPlusG3ron_frown: linux runs well on macs.07:33
gamecati think I get you? if you install in expert mode, or... yeah, what they're saying.07:33
FLeiXiuSron_frown, it's not quite the same, try loading ubuntu in the 'expert' install07:33
kakaltocould someone help me, I have a s3 trio64, and x won't start07:33
FLeiXiuSron_frown, gentoo is one if the most highly configurable distro's there are for installs, other then slackware07:33
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kakaltohehe07:33
kakaltogentoo was kewl07:33
ron_frownit was a pain in the ass07:33
ficusplanetkakalto, I would just try running "sudo xf86config" and answering the questions to the best of your ability.07:34
kakaltoinstallation was "interesting"07:34
ron_frowntheir documentation wasnt real clear for ppc install07:34
pvhron_frown: Have you installed Ubuntu before?07:34
MacPlusG3ron_frown: the debian-powerpc list is a good one to monitor as most devs hang out there and you get to hear about support/new features/problems/howtos etc07:34
kakaltoficusplanet, okay, thanks07:34
ron_frownpvh, quickly this morning, which didnt start07:34
pvhron_frown: I found Ubuntu's default set of packages was really good, and didn't include the "shitloads of stuff" you mentioned earlier.07:34
ron_frownok07:34
FLeiXiuSron_frown, Ubuntu is one ISO, very limited, trust me!07:35
ron_frownok07:35
ron_frownlast question07:35
ron_frownpackaging07:35
jdubyes we do07:35
ron_frowngentoo has emerge and portage07:35
FLeiXiuSSame as Debian ;-)07:35
jdub(haha!)07:35
FLeiXiuSron_frown, Ubuntu uses Synaptics and Apt in favor.07:35
pvhron_frown: apt-get/synaptic07:35
pvhron_frown: cli/gui07:36
ron_frownapt-get? and do I just update a collection of "ports" then apt-get fetches source and builds?07:36
FLeiXiuSpvh,  cli > all!07:36
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MacPlusG3ron_frown: no, it gets the new binaries and installs them07:36
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pvhFLeiXiuS: I did make it the numerator.07:36
ron_frownall binaries?07:36
MacPlusG3ron_frown: the cli way is 'apt-get update; apt-get upgrade'07:36
K-Richficusplanet: thanks... damned windows firewall lol07:36
FLeiXiuSpvh ;-)07:36
jdubron_frown: but of course.07:36
MacPlusG3ron_frown: yes, why on earth would you want to build everything from soure?07:36
ron_frownI wouldnt want to build EVERYTHING07:37
jdubron_frown: no "some assembly required" here -> batteries included!07:37
ron_frownbut some stuff07:37
MacPlusG3ron_frown: no reason, see, exactly, you're not stupid :)07:37
cafuegoron_frown: why?07:37
ron_frownso its optimized for my hardware?07:37
jdubnoflex: no need07:37
FLeiXiuSMacPlusG3, coming from a gentoo world thats how its done..07:37
jdubron_frown: building doesn't optimise for your hardware07:37
cafuegoron_frown: The speed gain you get from that is completely negated by the timr spent compiling it. Useless.07:37
MacPlusG3FLeiXiuS, ron_frown: so you expose compiler bugs that make stuff break.07:37
ron_frownwhat do all the compiler flags used for, march etc07:37
jdubron_frown: good software dynamically adjusts to the features of the hardware.07:37
MacPlusG3cafuego: and the nice compiler bugs your come across07:37
ron_frowntaking advantage of altivec etc07:37
cafuegoron_frown: They generally break stuff.07:38
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cafuegoMacPlusG3: yeah.07:38
FLeiXiuSMacPlusG3, I love to compile, simply for the extra advantage I get with customizations..07:38
pvhron_frown: If the packages are built for ppc, you should be okay for all that stuff anyway.07:38
jdubron_frown: those define the instructions used and very corner case tuning things. they don't magically make software faster, or able to use hardware features (such as altivec).07:38
cafuegoFLeiXiuS: See my previous note about wasting time compiling for a .03usec gain.07:38
MacPlusG3FLeiXiuS: if you have to go and build something for some extra option then either the packaging or the package is broken and should be fixed07:38
ron_frownosx install takes ages07:39
FLeiXiuSMacPlusG3, I'm gentoo at heart.07:39
jdubFLeiXiuS: you'll get over it.07:39
memo_OK. I know that the last version of GAIM is 1.1.2. However Synaptic says that there's no updates. :?07:39
MacPlusG3FLeiXiuS: gentoo's big mistake is compiling everything from scratch07:39
cafuegoFLeiXiuS: I would NOT admit that in public.07:39
pvhFLeiXiuS: That's cool. There's room for everyone in Linux.07:39
pvhcafuego: Why be down on him?07:39
cafuegopvh: Am I?07:39
jdubmemo_: if you're running warty, that's correct. there is a particular version shipped and supported with the final release.07:39
pvhcafuego: Building software can be fun.07:39
FLeiXiuScafuego, Well see, I love debians packaging more then the world, almost as simple as portage.07:39
MacPlusG3FLeiXiuS: and big mistake with a lot of gentoo users is using every single possible compiler flag on every single package07:39
memo_Oh.07:39
cafuegoFLeiXiuS: it's simpler.07:39
pvhcafuego: Maybe I misinterpreted.07:40
FLeiXiuScafuego, your damn right it is ;-)07:40
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cafuegopvh: For the first 2 weeks, sure. After 12 years it gets REALLY tedious.07:40
MacPlusG3there's a joke among a couple of dev communities i've been involved in: when a stange bug comes in, the first question is: "are you running gentoo?"07:40
FLeiXiuSMacPlusG3, I understand that, but it's something about configuration and understanding where our files are going to be placed that urges us to compile.07:40
ron_frownblah, anyway...07:41
lifelessMacPlusG3: its not a joke07:41
Se7hAway: ( Sleeping ) | Since: ( Thu Jan 27 06:41:01 2005 ) Xlack v1.8-pre2.07:41
FLeiXiuSMacPlusG3, I'm getting over that with dpkg :-)07:41
ron_frownI appreciate your advice, rather than "use macosx on mac"07:41
cafuegoFLeiXiuS: See 'dpkg -L <package>'07:41
MacPlusG3mind you, there are sane gentoo users who use sane compile flags (or even *gasp* binaries) that just like the control they get07:41
ron_frowndont mess with linux its crap07:41
ron_frownetc etc etc07:41
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Se7hups07:41
pvhron_frown: You won't hear much linux-bashing in this channel.07:41
ron_frownI know07:41
meskesron_frown: I run Gentoo linux on my Mac.07:41
DonLI did a stupid thing. How do I get into the application list of stuff that boots automatically in order to erase one item?07:41
embsupaflyAnyone good with printing problems07:41
cafuegoDonL: try 'rcconf'07:42
pvhron_frown: OSX is really nice though. I think I would personally stay with it.07:42
ron_frownI love macosx, but I cant customise the under lying stuff easy enough07:42
pvhron_frown: So many really neat features not found in linux07:42
ron_frownI like gentoo very much07:42
DonLcafuego, thanks. I will07:42
cafuegopvh: OSX has one major drawback, which is the lack of native OpenOffice.07:42
MacPlusG3lifeless: it's a joke because it's true... kind of really black humor. esp when ppl do all this crap to their filesystem07:42
pvhcafuego: True that.07:42
ron_frownbut I honestly think the install should install some base packages and hanle some of the tedious installer shit itself07:42
ron_frowninstead of no installer07:42
meskescafuego: That being true, I rather run something like Office anyway. sad to say.07:43
MacPlusG3cafuego: and the fact that there's way too much binary only parts07:43
cafuegomeskes: Office is a tad expensive.07:43
ron_frowniworks looks nice07:43
DonLcafuego, my machine sees no rcconf07:43
ron_frowniwork07:43
meskescafuego: Not when you have a site licence. ;)07:43
cafuegoDonL: apt-get install rcconf07:43
DonLOh. Okay07:43
meskesThank god got the Unlimited VLM. ;)07:43
FLeiXiuSMacPlusG3, How do I put the PPC ISO from a MAC?  Is there a special 'option controll'?07:44
cafuegomeskes: That's not quite the same as having to pay full retail at a shop.07:44
ficusplanetoo.org2.0 seems really nice so far.07:44
FLeiXiuSput == boot *07:44
meskescafuego: true. heh07:44
cafuegofor $1000 I can buy 1) Office or 2) two new linux boxen running OO.org07:44
MacPlusG3FLeiXiuS: burn ISO image to CD, hold down 'c' while booting the mac and it'll boot off the CD07:44
ron_frownoo.org?07:45
FLeiXiuSMacPlusG3, I knew there was a trick some where along the lines..there is a special PPC ISO correct?07:45
ficusplanetopen office.org07:45
MacPlusG3cafuego: i prefer 'one good linux box and a year's supply of good beer'07:45
K-Richanyone care to help me print to a windows printer ?07:45
meskesMan, I thought xmms would stream from my Samba server. Im glad I found out that Rythmbox does, and I think Im starting to like it better anyway.07:45
MacPlusG3FLeiXiuS: yeah, there's the powerpc iso. you can get it easily from the download page07:45
cafuegoMacPlusG3: s/beer/vodka/ and I'm with ya07:45
ron_frownunless you are lucky like07:45
ron_frownme07:45
ron_frownmy isp capped my download at 30 something k/sec07:45
ron_frownoh god that was a miserable download07:45
pvhmeskes: I had to install amaroK, myself.07:45
ron_frownmy buddy on a ds3 was downloading at amazing speeds07:46
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pvhmeskes: I really wanted to try and do without any KDE stuff, but amarok is just so wonderful.07:46
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FLeiXiuSron_frown, Comcast just upped my speeds to 4Mbps Down / 768Kbps Up07:46
ron_frownI supposedly have 3mb down speed07:46
ron_frowncouldnt get faster than 40k/sec07:46
K-Richficusplanet: i tried what you said earlyer about printing to the windows shared printer but i get an error when i do 'NT_BAD_NETWORK_NAME'07:46
ficusplanetjdub, Speaking of great music players, do you know if you guys are going to package muine for hoary?07:46
jdubit's in universe07:46
ron_frownI should be capable of at least a couple hundred right?07:46
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pvhjdub: It always is.07:47
cafuegoron_frown: 320-ish Kb/sec yeah07:47
pvhmeskes: That's not the tragically hip.07:47
ron_frownnot even close =)07:47
ficusplanetjdub, Awesome!  You've made my day/night wasted on irc.07:47
cafuegoron_frown: Just depends on the remote server07:47
ron_frownI will call em and bitch em out07:47
DonLK-Rich, if you ever get that printer working please let me know07:47
meskespvh: um, sounds like them to me07:47
pvhmeskes: That's Gord Downie's solo project, iirc.07:47
ron_frownno my buddy was on a ds3 but he was getting 670ks/ec07:47
meskespvh: then that would explain it. heh07:47
FLeiXiuSAre there any good DVD rippers out there for linux?07:47
pvhmeskes: Or am I getting it confused with "When are you thinking of disappearing"?07:48
meskespvh: You are.07:48
DonLI can print a mean test page now, but I can't get any of my apps to do it07:48
ficusplanetFLeiXiuS, thoggen and ogmrip.07:48
MacPlusG3FLeiXiuS: there's a project called 'dvdripper' or something really simple like that. but (insert disclaimer about copyright)07:48
pvhmeskes: Well, colour me stupid.07:48
ron_frownhavent messed with linux in a while, printing got better I hope07:48
meskespvh: heh, no ones perfect.07:48
pvhmeskes: It can be hard to tell In this Violet Light.07:48
ron_frownit was absolute garbage before07:48
jdubron_frown: keep it nice please07:48
FLeiXiuSficusplanet, MacPlusG3 thankyou :-)07:49
meskespvh: Heh, Ive Silver Jet playing now. speak of the devil.07:49
ficusplanetnp07:49
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K-Richrather desperate here... need to make another Ubuntu T-Shirt for a giveaway at the next LUG meeting :)07:49
FLeiXiuSI wish only that I could get gdesklets working, hasn't worked in ages for me.07:49
meskesFLeiXiuS: they're over-rated anywat.07:50
meskesanyway, that is07:50
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FLeiXiuSmeskes, but of course, I like displays ;-)07:50
DonLK-Rich, maybe I have to play with Mozilla and Open Office to get them to work with the printer, but I didnt' have to before. I just don't understand07:50
K-RichFLeiXiuS: i tried last night with warty myself with no luck... got errors whenever i clicked a .display07:50
meskesFLeiXiuS: I like the plain 'ol boring desktops.07:50
FLeiXiuSmeskes, as do I, I loved the whole MacOSX menu bar feel.07:51
K-RichDonL: errr.... my printer works, i just want to print to the windows printer07:51
pvhmeskes: Was their last album worth getting? When the first single is called "Vaccination Scar" it's hard to get motivated.07:51
DonLSame here07:51
meskespvh: Its ok.07:51
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DonLBut I don't have a printer hooked up to this computer. Just my wife's XP07:51
meskespvh: I like the other shit, like 100th Meridian and whatnot.07:52
meskess/other/older07:52
pvhmeskes: I think The Weakerthans deserve their throne now.07:52
meskesheh07:52
pvhmeskes: Or rather, are good successors to the throne.07:52
K-RichDonL: i have an HP Laserjet 3... works great, my dad (XP user) has an HP Deskjet 3820 i can't seem to print to ...07:53
meskesI found a badass CD lastnight.... The Best of Testament. Had to get it.07:53
FLeiXiuSmeskes, I'm still very happy with my NYC Underground Mix with Oakenford07:53
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fhobiahow come ubuntu manual setup allows you to get by without setting up a swap space ?07:54
K-Richoh well, the lan works now so i can copy and have him print lol07:54
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K-Richfhobia: swap isn't required... just suggested.... i have 2GB ram... think i need swap for a desktop?07:54
meskesFLeiXiuS: I dont really care for Oakenford.07:54
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DonLK-Rich, what's happening here is we have one printer in three computers, a router, and the printer's hooked up to an XP on the network. I had it printing from my linux box when I was running Fedora, and Mandrake, so I know it's possible. I've finally got it printing a Ubuntu test page, but none of my applications will print for some reason07:55
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FLeiXiuSmeskes, Anything out there with hard progressive house is fine with me07:55
fhobiaK-Rich: i don't know :/07:55
fhobiaK-Rich: by your answer, no07:55
Syeman prelink07:55
meskesIm rather into Ambient.07:55
meskesPrelink? Why thats somewhat evil...07:55
FLeiXiuSmeskes, Eh, were all different!07:55
K-RichDonL: odd... i had issues with mozilla here then installed xprt-xprintorg07:56
DonLK-Rich, lemme see. I think I did that. Right back07:57
DonLYup did that07:57
meskesI have to take a crap.07:57
DonLHope everything comes out okay07:58
FLeiXiuSHave fun dropping the friends off a tthe pool07:58
meskesI have a laptop, I can take you all with me.07:58
FLeiXiuSWhy thankyou07:58
DonLGood thing this doesn't have smell sensors yet07:59
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meskesDonL: Oh dude, my house will be pissed though07:59
DonLlol07:59
DonLWell, beddy byes for me. See ya later08:00
cafuegoxprint is SATAN08:00
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cafuegoIf Ubuntu makde mozilla default to xprint, I'm switching back to Debian proper.08:01
danielsubuntu does not support xprint, full stop08:02
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meskesxprint is evil. Give me CUPS or die.08:03
FLeiXiuSCUPS > All :-)08:03
cafuegoXprint makes netbank crash (CBA)08:04
K-RichDonL: i think i lost more hair on this tonight than i have in the last year combined lol08:04
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|Kyle|I guess that there's no way to import Thunderbird email from windows to linux?08:05
kakaltoyeah there is08:05
kakaltobut08:05
cafuego|Kyle|: Just copy the profile folder08:06
|Kyle|:o08:06
kakaltoand if that doesn't work, go on irc.mozilla.org #thunderbird08:06
|Kyle|That's another thing I wanted to ask, how do I access my windows partitions? :?08:06
kakaltontfs or vfat?08:06
poningrukyle it also depends on what you are using08:06
calcyou can definitely do it, but how much work it is i don't know08:06
kakaltogo onto www.ubuntuguide.org08:06
poningruimap or pop?08:06
|Kyle|pop08:07
calci have used windows thunderbird to convert outlook email to mbox then on linux imported that into evolution08:07
cafuegontfs/vfat are both readable, shouldn't be an issue.08:07
calconce its in mbox format you can import it into just about anything08:07
poningruyeah just transfer over your entire profile folder08:07
|Kyle|but where are they?08:07
kakaltobut they do have different settings...08:07
kakaltoKyle, depends on your windows version08:07
kakaltoon xp, it's under documents and settings08:07
cafuego|Kyle|: Documents & Settings/User/Application Data/ ...08:07
|Kyle|no, I mean, where are my partitions :P08:07
cafuegoPossibly  aLOcal Settings in between there08:08
|Kyle|I still don't understand linux filesystem08:08
cafuego|Kyle|: On the disk ;-)08:08
kakalto|Kyle|; www.ubuntuguide.org08:08
kakaltoif that's the right link, it's very useful :D08:08
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|Kyle|*checks the site*08:08
kakaltoit is correct08:08
cafuego|Kyle|: if you run 'fdisk -l' it will list your partitions.08:09
kakaltothere's a section there on windows partitions08:09
poningruif you dont like command line08:09
poningruuse qtparted08:09
poningruor qparted08:09
poningrusorry08:09
poningruheh08:09
meskesponingru: if you dont like CLI, you shouldnt be using linux08:09
kakaltoI was just going to say the same thing08:09
FLeiXiuSmeskes, beat me to it08:09
meskes:D08:09
MacPlusG3meskes: not true, my mother uses linux for everything and doesn't touch cli08:09
kakaltodepends on the version08:10
kakaltoif it's mandrake, fine08:10
poningrumeskes: thats not true08:10
kakaltoif it's slackware...08:10
poningruyeah even ubuntu08:10
meskesMacPlusG3: there is the execption to the rule. but Im sure she is not the admin of said box, MacPlusG308:10
poningruthe cli is minimal08:10
FLeiXiuSIt would mainly depend on how well the system is configured..08:10
poningrulets not get into this argument08:10
meskesIm old school I guess, I prefer CLI08:11
MacPlusG3meskes: yeap. the only things i've ever done are: install (although she did the previous fedora install), install wifi card08:11
poningruthis horse has been beaten black and blue in slashdot08:11
FLeiXiuSmeskes, as I am also lol..learned it well from remote management terminals..08:11
poningruyeah I am learning08:11
meskes;)08:11
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poningruthe only thing I am trying to figure out is iptables08:11
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|Kyle|So, there's no way to actually browse the partitions using a GUI?08:14
meskesYou know, I should use my correct nick come to think of it.08:14
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syn-ackah, thats better.08:15
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K-Richoutages are evil08:15
|Kyle|Oh, I have to mount it to use it...08:16
poningrukyle: what did I just say08:16
poningruqparted08:16
poningruhold on08:16
poningruhttp://qtparted.sourceforge.net/08:17
|Kyle|Yay, I actually mounted it :O08:17
|Kyle|Partition Magic clone? where was this when I screwed up windows some months ago! D:08:18
syn-ackroot@Laptop:~ # mount | grep /dev/hda08:18
syn-ack/dev/hda3 on / type reiserfs (rw,commit=0)08:18
poningrusigh08:18
syn-ackthats all I need.08:18
lifeless|Kyle|: just parted will do08:18
|Kyle|Thanks.08:18
syn-ackor even cfdisk08:18
poningruor even just a command line08:18
poningruwhats your point?08:18
|Kyle|I'm using command line08:18
poningrugood for you dude08:19
poningruhonestly08:19
|Kyle|I didn't found any other way to do it :P08:19
syn-ackthats a curses based partioner, nice frontend to fdisk, Kyle08:19
|Kyle|I guess that Linux will make me refresh my google skills.08:19
syn-ack|Kyle|: See you're learning already.08:19
poningruI wished that I had foresight to just use cli all the time instead of all this stuff08:19
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|Kyle|Be right back.08:20
duelikeHi All, any body have any experience with SMB printer ?08:20
duelikeI (still) can not connect and use SMB printer08:20
syn-ackPersonally, thats the way I think everyone needs to learn linux first. To hell with all the GUI stuff.08:20
poningrusyn-ack: you ever think about reserf4?08:21
poningruI am looking into it08:21
poningruwhat do you think?08:21
syn-ackponingru: hell no, too unstable ATM08:21
poningruyeah thats what I heard too but so many people swear by it08:21
syn-ackponingru: Im going to give it another year or so.08:21
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poningruwoah that long?08:21
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poningruthought was supposed to be ~stable around summer08:22
syn-ackponingru: I want to know my FS is a rock before I commit to it08:22
poningruyeah thats true08:22
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syn-ackponingru: I *STILL* use a /boot/ partition with ext2 on it.08:23
syn-ack/dev/hda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw)08:23
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brc_upgraded to hoary from a clean warty install...now my taskbar buttons have shrunk so they just show the first letter of the app name...08:28
brc_I can't seem to figure out where to change this08:29
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K-Richrhythm box is cool08:30
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K-Richi like it better than xmms :P08:31
Heinzxmms rocks :-)08:32
wm_eddieor it doesn't!08:32
pvhbrc_: Right click in some of the empty space and go to preferences.08:33
kakaltorhythm box is good.08:33
kakaltomostly the song library08:33
brc_pvh, I only see properties...which doesn't seem to have anything related to this in it08:33
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Heinzi want to install gdesklets, but, i remember that .. i have to install a extra *.deb for gdesklets that has all the displays08:34
Heinzsomeone remember the package?08:34
K-Richdoesn't08:35
K-Rich:P08:35
bur[n] erHeinz: apt-cache search gdesklets08:35
Heinzlol sniff :S08:35
pvhbrc_: Create an odd number of windows.08:35
bur[n] ergdesklets-data :P08:35
Heinzhohoh08:35
Heinzdata08:35
Heinzyup08:35
pvhbrc_: Try right clicking in a gap between them.08:35
K-RichHeinz: in warty it seems borked :/08:35
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pvhbrc_: You'll know you have it when you get a different context menu from either right-clicking a window or right-clicking the usual panel.08:35
brc_pvh, found it08:36
Heinzbur[n] er, thank you so much for the tip. :-)  K-Rich :  :P08:36
bur[n] ernp08:36
pvhbrc_: The first option will be "preferences", not "add to panel"08:36
brc_aha, if you right click on the shaded area on the far left, right of the show desktop icon...08:36
pvhbrc_: There you go.08:36
brc_yup I found the size tab08:36
brc_seems like it would make a lot of sense to have the preferences option listed no matter where you rightclick08:37
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brc_I suppose that's a gnome thing08:37
ron_frownI gotta say ubuntu really couldnt be an easier install08:37
syn-ackwhat is?08:37
Heinztime to sleep08:37
Heinzcya and thanks08:37
ennteeIs Hoary in a pretty useable state?08:37
ron_frownhopefully this time through it all works good08:37
jdubenntee: yes.08:37
syn-ackenntee: Im using it.08:37
brc_enntee, seems to work for me08:37
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ennteewell i hope you're all satisfied, i'm installing it.08:38
jdubGO GO GO!08:38
ron_frownI can download 2.6.10 and just make menuconfig and install it?08:38
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jdubalternatively, you could test the livecd08:38
jdubron_frown: why bother?08:38
syn-ackron_frown: just install the image?08:38
brc_pvh, the minimum size was set to 50, and the max to 4096....but it seemed to be using the minimum size even though I only had 3 windows open....any idea why?08:38
ron_frownumm, is it compiled with little/no functionality compiled in, and just load all the modules I want08:38
ron_frown?08:38
K-Richdamn, manual.gimp.org is down :/08:39
ron_frownis that how kernel modules work/08:39
ron_frowner ubuntus kernel images?08:39
jdubof course08:39
syn-ackK-Rich: www.azcomputercentral.com ... I have a whole book on the GIMP there.08:39
brc_this is odd08:39
brc_seems it went below the minimum size when I opened a bunch of firefox windows08:40
bur[n] erquick question... to upgrade an ubuntu kernel... is it just "apt-get install linux-image-2.6-386"08:40
syn-ackK-Rich: LITTERALLY a whole book.08:40
brc_syn-ack, you from phx area?08:40
jdubbur[n] er: easier to install linux-386, linux-686, linux-k7, etc.08:40
syn-ackbrc_: Tucson.08:40
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bur[n] erjdub: no menu.lst editing or anythign else right?08:40
ron_frownaz is too damn hot08:40
jdubbur[n] er: those meta packages end up depending on the current latest kernel08:40
brc_it's awesome this time of year08:40
jdubbur[n] er: hell no ;)08:40
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brc_we got a bunch of rain today08:40
ron_frown1though I'd rather have heat than weather we had today08:40
syn-ackaha, brc_ Im actually getting ready to move to Kansas City.08:41
syn-ackbrc_: We did too.08:41
ron_frownrain, and shit08:41
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ron_frownof course last month we had 4weeks of rain08:41
bur[n] erright on... i've never installed a kernel like that :)  thanks jdub08:41
ron_frownwhich is bizarre for cali08:41
brc_damnit!08:41
brc_these taskbar icons are acting really strange08:41
K-Richsyn-ack: i have that bookmarked (or the link from the gimp site)08:42
K-Richsyn-ack: Your in AZ ?08:42
syn-ackK-Rich: yes.08:42
syn-ackK-Rich: Tucson.08:42
brc_it seems to work properly with max size when I have only one window open, but as soon as I open a second window it goes to min size08:42
K-Richbrc_: Your in Az too ?08:43
brc_K-Rich, yep08:44
brc_K-Rich, what part?08:44
syn-ackWTF? Gnome 2.8 doesnt have the weatherapplet anymore?08:44
bur[n] ermy gnome 2.8 does :)08:44
|Kyle|Uhm... No Thunderbird 1.0?08:44
syn-ackmine doesnt. :(08:44
syn-ackK-Rich: So, which part of the start are you from?08:45
syn-ackstate, that is08:46
brc_K-Rich, what part of AZ are you from?08:48
brc_er...dupe08:48
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ron_frownyay try 2 with ubuntu actually worked08:49
ron_frownI wonder if it left my osx partitions in tact08:49
ron_frownso warty is old, hoary is new?08:49
bur[n] eryes08:49
ron_frownwhen hoary gets more stable, will it be fairly easy to upgrade?08:50
syn-ackron_frown: Warty is like Debian Stable.08:50
bur[n] erhoary is not 'officially' released until ~ april08:50
jdubron_frown: warty is released, hoary is under development08:50
jdubron_frown: cinchy08:50
ron_frowncoo08:50
jdubbur[n] er: "~"? THERE IS NO MAYBE.08:50
|Kyle|Is there any good image browser for linux?08:50
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brc_syn-ack, warty is a far cry from woody....08:50
brc_:p08:50
ron_frownwoody08:51
whiprush|Kyle|: try gthumb.08:51
ron_frownthey should name a distro schlong08:51
syn-ackbrc_: well yea, thats why I said "like" its the production distro. :p08:51
bur[n] er~ == around/about april ;)08:51
bur[n] eri wasn't sure timing08:51
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brc_heh08:51
brc_GAH!08:51
syn-ackron_frown: you have issuse.08:52
|Kyle|OK, thanks. And an updated movie player (DivX, XviD, etc)?08:52
syn-ackand thats bad coming from me.08:52
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brc_installed kde from universe to see what it's like and now konqueror has decided to take over as default browser08:52
syn-ack|Kyle|: um mplayer, totem, xine....08:52
ron_frownI was drunk and tired, and typed genitals instead of gentoo08:52
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ron_frownfigured might as well leave it08:52
bur[n] er|Kyle|: check wiki for "UnrestristedFormats"08:52
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|Kyle|OK. Thanks, again.08:52
bur[n] erer... "RestrictedFormats" maybe08:52
brc_ahh how nice08:52
kakaltolol08:52
brc_prefered applicatiosn08:52
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kakalto|Kyle| go into www.ubuntuguide.org for how to install codecs08:53
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brc_any hints how I"d go about removing konqueror from the right click on url menu in xchat?08:53
|Kyle|Reading...08:54
brc_(other then removing it entirely)08:54
syn-ackbrc_: use irssi. ;)08:54
syn-ackbrc_: and Gnome-terminal.08:54
brc_GAK!08:54
brc_bitchx > irssi!08:54
ron_frownI like xfce408:54
syn-ackum GAG08:54
ron_frownI'd rather use that then gnome as a wm08:55
syn-ackron_frown: Its ok08:55
ron_frownI like how its very simple08:55
brc_the more contorted confusing dangerous commands the better man!08:55
ron_frownyet still usable etc08:55
K-RichI'm up in Show Low08:55
syn-ackK-Rich: no shit? where at up there?08:55
syn-ackI used to live up there...08:55
|Kyle|last question for a while... Any change of installing updated versions of software?08:56
syn-ackI used to live off of Reid Head...08:56
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syn-ackK-Rich: man 5 apt-get08:56
K-Richsyn-ack: actually out towards Concho, but Show Low is closer :)08:56
|Kyle|Does http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ work? :?08:56
syn-ackConcho? OMG my grandma lives off of Concho and Hay Hollow!08:57
syn-ackK-Rich: in Snowflake Heights basically.08:57
HrdwrBoB|Kyle|: not very well08:58
HrdwrBoB|Kyle|: the version numbers are incorrect and will stop your system from being upgraded correctly08:58
|Kyle|=(08:58
|Kyle|So there's no way to update?08:59
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syn-ack|Kyle|: man sources.list.08:59
syn-ack|Kyle|: come on, check out the wiki if need be...08:59
HrdwrBoB|Kyle|: you can update to warty (unstable)09:00
HrdwrBoBer hoary09:00
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|Kyle|I'll check. It's just that everything it's a little too overwhelming. I'm a hardcore windows user :P.09:00
syn-ack|Kyle|: I can tell.09:01
HrdwrBoBbtw everybody09:01
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HrdwrBoBI just realised I'm an idiot09:01
bur[n] er|Kyle|: read stuff ;)09:01
HrdwrBoBcoldfusion won't run on a 64 bit system09:01
syn-ackHrdwrBoB: ouch.09:01
HrdwrBoB:)09:01
HrdwrBoBwell - the version I have09:01
HrdwrBoBwhich is old09:01
=== syn-ack kick Compaq in the head for writing such a shitty BIOS update with broken ACPI code.
syn-ackkicks, that is09:02
guptanhow can I mount my  usb disk, if it is giving error "/dev/sda1 is not a valid block device" on mount command09:03
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syn-ackguptan: are you specifying the FS?09:03
guptanno09:04
K-Richsyn-ack: i'm in the middle of starting a LUG up here :)09:04
guptansyn-ack, just mount /dev/sda1 /mount/location09:05
syn-ackK-Rich: Damn man, where where you when I was thinking of living up there? I was thinking of moving up there and putting that little computer shop on Duce of clubs out of business.09:05
syn-ackguptan: one sec...09:05
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K-Richsyn-ack: i've been here for 13 years now09:07
syn-ackguptan: here, check this out. http://tlug.up.ac.za/csslug/usb_devices.html09:08
syn-ackK-Rich: I lived up there 16 years ago. heh09:08
syn-ackhrm.09:09
syn-ackfonts in firefox b0rk and now look like crap. :/09:09
guptansyn-ack, I was wondering, do I need to modprobe any modules for usb disc?09:09
Peteri restarted ubuntu and now gnome didnt start, so i just have a terminal window showing... how would i launch gnome?09:10
syn-ackguptan: if they dont load by hotplug, yes.09:11
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PWMPeter, I'm a total n00b, but try "startx" and press enter09:12
insanekanehi, are there any text editors simpler than gedit with ubuntu ? i need to test some patches to pango ...09:12
Petercommand not found09:12
PWMhmm, like I said, I'm very new with linux :)09:12
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Peterwhats the apt get to install gnome again?09:14
insanekanePeter, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ?09:15
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kakaltofor some reason my totem media player won't show the visuals on my avi's...09:29
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kakaltobut it was working a few days ago09:30
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kakaltoanyone?09:36
HrdwrBoByo09:37
kakaltocould you help me?09:37
TongMasterkakalto, sudo dpkg -l | grep totem09:37
kakaltototem isn't showing the visuals on my avi's09:37
kakaltookie09:37
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TongMasterdump the result here.09:38
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kakaltorc  totem-gstreame 0.99.19-0ubunt A simple media player for the Gnome desktop09:38
kakaltoii  totem-xine     0.99.19-0ubunt A simple media player for the Gnome desktop09:38
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kakalto...and?09:39
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syn-ackMan, I love Rythmbox09:40
kakaltodude, rhythm-box won't play avi's09:41
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pybekakalto: try sudo apt-get install gstreamer-plugins09:42
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TongMasterkakalto, just making sure you had the good totem package and you do.09:42
kakaltopybe, they were playing a few days ago09:43
pybekakalto: oh09:43
kakalto:)09:43
pybesame ones?09:43
kakaltoyes09:43
kakaltoor atleast I've tried the same ones09:43
kakaltoaswell as others09:43
pybeyou got w32codec installed?09:43
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kakaltohow else could I watch avi's09:44
kakalto?09:44
kakaltoyes09:44
kakaltoof course09:44
kakaltoI watched 11 episodes of Naruto09:44
kakaltothis is random09:44
pybedoes it eror or blue screen or what09:45
kakaltoI closed it, and just opened it again09:45
kakaltoblue screen09:45
kakaltobut now it's working09:45
kakaltovery strange.09:45
kakaltothanks anyway09:45
pybekakalto: if you run it from a terminal it might give you an idea of what error its giving09:45
pybeoh09:45
pybethere is nothing worse than an intermittant problem09:46
kakaltomaybe I just need to open it, close it, open it again if I need it to work :)09:46
pybeheh09:46
kakaltoas much as I'd like to get to the bottom of this, I can't be bothered right now09:47
kakaltoI'll watch one more ep then crash09:47
pybeknow the feeling09:48
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kakalto:)09:48
MrTrickhello09:48
sackerHello MrTrick09:49
syn-ackHAHA. I just found a bug in the latest Rythmbox package.09:49
guptani'm always getting /dev/sda1 not a valid block device, when mounting usb disk, is there any module to load b4 mounting?09:49
MrTrickhi sacker09:49
kakaltoamazing09:49
syn-ackits showing every mp3 in the title bar as being paused even though its playing.09:49
kakaltoI'm not the only person to use a sata hdd09:49
MrTricksyn-ack, solution is 'apt-get install xmms' :-)09:49
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HrdwrBoBguptan: how are you mounting it09:51
guptanHrdwrBoB,  mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1/09:51
HrdwrBoBguptan: you can mount it using pmount /dev/sda109:52
HrdwrBoBas your use09:52
HrdwrBoBuser09:52
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K-Richnight all09:54
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syn-ackMrTrick: It doesnt connect to samba shares.09:55
MrTrickI'm a little confused about ubuntu's root account... If I click on the 'root terminal' in the gnome menu, the password is the same as my user account, but if I type 'su' from a normal terminal, I can't access the root account with that password (no idea what it's supposed to be)09:55
guptanHrdwrBoB, pmount, command not found09:55
syn-ackMrTrick: welcome to Sudo09:55
HrdwrBoBMrTrick: what you want is 'sudo'09:55
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HrdwrBoBMrTrick: there is no root password09:55
MrTricksyn-ack, ah, ok. (not even if it's mounted to a conventional point on the filesystem?)09:55
HrdwrBoBguptan: you are using ubuntu?09:55
sackerYou can go into the root terminal and type passwd and change the root password to something other then your normal user password09:55
MrTricksyn-ack, HrdwrBob: Ahh, ok then.09:56
HrdwrBoBMrTrick: sudo runs commands as root09:56
HrdwrBoBeg: sudo apt-get update09:56
HrdwrBoBit rocks09:56
MrTrickI see.09:56
HrdwrBoBif you need a shell, sudo -s09:56
guptanno right now on debian09:56
HrdwrBoBah ok, that explains why no pmount09:56
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guptanheh09:56
guptansorry09:56
HrdwrBoBguptan: install ubuntu :)09:56
guptani have it already09:57
MrTrickOne thing that annoys me is that to edit a conf file, there's no 'edit as root' option in the GUI09:57
HrdwrBoBubuntu automounts usb storage :)09:57
guptani was just testing this one for my friend09:57
guptanHrdwrBoB, i know09:57
HrdwrBoBMrTrick: you can add one with nautilus scripts :)09:57
brc_I should try that (automount)09:57
brc_just got a new usbkey too09:57
MrTrickHrdwrBoB, is there a wiki entry on that?09:57
HrdwrBoBMrTrick: search for nautilus scripts on the ubuntu website09:57
HrdwrBoByep09:57
MrTrickah, thanks09:57
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guptanHrdwrBoB, I can actually see usb disk entry in lsusb: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 8341:2000 EGO Systems, Inc. Flashdisk09:59
brc_woot!09:59
HrdwrBoBguptan: dmesg will report the partition table etc09:59
brc_it worked! automagically!09:59
HrdwrBoBbrc_: :)10:00
HrdwrBoBhow about that!10:00
brc_'spose I should mount my ntfs drives now10:00
brc_gotta figure out how to get the captive driver working10:00
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sackerCool My usbkey automounts too :-)10:05
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ephichow would i set the root password in the root terminal?10:09
bob2you wouldn't, since you have sudo10:10
bob2this is in the FAQ10:10
ephicoh..10:10
ephici see10:10
ephiclol10:10
ephicwell how do i log into root then10:10
ephicis there a password?10:10
bob2no10:10
bob2please read the FAQ10:10
ephicah damn k10:11
MrTrickHrdwrBoB, it worked, I can now see the 'edit as root' script in the context menu...10:11
MrTrickIs there any way to move it into the main context menu, not in the 'scripts' subfolder?10:11
HrdwrBoBMrTrick: I don't think so10:12
MrTrickOkay, ah well, it's better than opening up a root terminal every time I wanted to edit it.10:12
HrdwrBoBephic: sudo 'command' runs command as root10:12
HrdwrBoByeah, the scripts are handy10:12
syn-ackbob2: pfft. I still use su . :p10:12
syn-ackbob2: I do not trust nor believe in Sudo. :p10:13
Agrajagwhat10:13
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ephicman.. that whole wt happened to root" isnt in faq10:13
syn-ackephic: sure it is.10:14
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HrdwrBoBsyn-ack: you don't trust sudo...10:14
ephicim not seeing it10:14
Desdraftlityoo10:14
Desdraftlitwhas up peeps10:14
ephici dont trust sudo10:14
syn-ackHrdwrBoB: no I dont. I dont let ANYONE have access to root not with su / - nor sudo. they dont need it.10:15
HrdwrBoBum10:15
HrdwrBoByes but the anyone is you10:15
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HrdwrBoBthat's the whole point10:15
syn-acknot in my deployments.10:15
Zindarehh... don't "trust" sudo? ... ehhh :)10:15
HrdwrBoBmake another account without sudo acecss10:15
HrdwrBoBthere's nothing wrong with sudo10:15
syn-ackAnyway, thats neither here nor there ATM10:16
brc_ha.10:16
syn-ackjust filed a cosmetic bugreport on Rhythmbox.10:16
syn-ackHrdwrBoB: I would rather have a wheel account actually.10:17
syn-acks/account/group...10:17
HrdwrBoBwheel group is coming10:17
syn-ackHrdwrBoB: heh10:17
MrTrickargh, still no luck with smb.conf10:18
abellican someone point me to a script for printing pdfs?10:18
MrTrickQuestion: If smb.conf has 'hosts allow = $only my subnet', do I have to worry about authentication etc?10:19
HrdwrBoBabelli: hmm?10:19
Zindarabelli: pdf2ps file.pdf | lpr <-- or something like it10:20
ephicok uhh..10:20
ephicso when i goto root terminal..10:20
ephicit asks for password.10:20
MrTrickephic, same as your user account's...10:20
abelliZindar: i need to print multiple pages on the same face10:21
Zindarabelli: pdf2ps file.pdf - | lpr <-- more like it10:21
ephicbut see i dont even have a password for root..10:21
ephicbecause its not the same10:21
Zindarephic: type your own password10:21
ephici know its not the same10:21
abelliZindar: this way how can i print 2 pages on the same face?10:21
ephicthats what i was saying10:21
Zindarabelli: mpage -2 is one way10:21
HrdwrBoBephic: root doesn't have a password10:21
ephici tried no password as well10:22
Agrajagephic: it wants the password you used to log in10:22
ephici know10:22
ephicim sayin i typed that10:22
ephicit didnt work10:22
ephicwait10:22
ephici must have set it10:22
ephiclol shit, i got it10:22
ephicthanks10:22
syn-ackephic: its not going to work.10:22
ephicim in root10:22
MrTrickanybody somewhat confident with tricksy smb.conf problems?10:23
ephicyou can  set a password for root10:23
syn-ackephic: I am quite aware of that.10:23
ephicim just sayin, you can just ignore sudo10:23
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syn-ackits 0224 Im going to bed.10:24
HrdwrBoBnight10:25
MrTrickargh, stupid non-problem10:25
MrTrickgnight syn-ack10:25
syn-ackHrdwrBoB: g'night10:25
syn-ackMrTrick && *10:25
ephicany gui c++ compilers come with ubuntu?10:25
MrTrickhmmm, smb.conf is good now!10:26
MrTrickbut, I can't view the samba shares with the 'Network' button in the gnome menu.10:26
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MrTrick'network:///' in nautilus shows 'Windows Network', but clicking on that doesn't show any subfolders... any ideas?10:27
MrTrickthere should definitely be some, it works fine on the winbox. (including browsing the samba shares on the ubuntu box)10:28
topyliMrTrick: ah, your samba adventure continues :)10:28
MrTricktopyli, indeed.10:29
MrTrickI can now access the shared drives on this box in a platform independent manner (doesn't matter if booted to Win or Ubuntu)10:30
MrTrickBut...10:30
MrTrickI can't see anything from the file browser on ubunti10:30
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MrTrick*u10:30
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topyliMrTrick: if you have shares on windows boxen, they should just work if you have smbclient installed10:31
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topylior there's a permission problem10:31
topylior something :)10:31
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MrTricksmbclient... how do I check? (It did work before, I could see both computers)10:31
magicchees1hello good people10:32
MrTrickhello magicchees1 (but I'm not necissarily a good person, were you talking to me?)10:32
magicchees1lets say your good in my eyes till i know better10:32
topyliMrTrick: smbclient is in a package of its own IIRC. see if it's installed10:32
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magicchees1i need some help actually10:33
magicchees1im a newb in the linux world and have just installed ubuntu and have a problem with it says gdm config10:34
Serengetiave :) for some reason i've installed gtk 2.6 from hoary. can i revert to gtk 2.4 somehow? i know that mixing repos is eeevil. now i know. i promise to sin no more ;)10:34
MrTrickno, smbclient's there.10:34
MrTrickmaybe misconfigured, then.10:35
topyliMrTrick: nothing to configure there10:35
magicchees1anyone want to take me under their wing on this10:36
MrTrickhmmm.10:36
MrTrickno idea then10:36
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MrTrickmagicchees1, where does it say 'gdm config'?10:36
magicchees1when i boot right at first after it lists oll the things that have loaded10:37
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magicchees1it says gdm configuration failed and that as a result x server is disabled and to check with xfree8610:38
MrTrickhmm...10:38
magicchees1that make sense10:38
topyliSerengeti: in synaptic IIRC, you can right click a package and choose "force version" if you have both warty and hoary sources. may or may not work.10:39
magicchees1im using the live cd as this is my only puter'10:39
Serengetitoplyi thanks i'll see10:40
MrTrickSorry magicchees1, I've only been using linux for a short while...10:40
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MrTrickTry searching for 'gdm config' here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search    ?10:41
Serengetitoplyi it wants to remove all the gtk apps when i try to force version..10:41
topyliSerengeti: that can happen :)10:42
magicchees1searching now10:42
topyliSerengeti: i don't remember the apt command, you may have to do this in the console10:42
Serengetitoplyi will this make any difference?10:42
topyliSerengeti: and then reinstall the lost packages10:43
Serengetii'll try anyway10:43
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topyliSerengeti: synaptic may fail when you remove it :)10:43
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MyKq3hello10:44
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topyliSerengeti: do you have broadband?10:44
kakaltog'night all10:44
mvo_apt-get install pkgname=exact-version can force a specific version in apt. it will very likly complain about bad dependencies10:44
MyKq3does some here knows when the Ubuntu hoary will b realesed?10:44
Serengetitoplyi yes10:44
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pybeMyKq3: april10:44
topyliSerengeti: i'd remove the gtk libs and all that will go with it, then reinstall "ubuntu-desktop" or "gnome" or some other metapackage10:45
MyKq3ohhh thanks pybe10:45
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pisukeMyKq3, look at the wiki. there's the roadmap to horay10:45
Serengetitoplyi i gues that's what i'll do10:45
pybeMyKq3: google for hoary release schedule for more info10:45
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MyKq3pisuke,  Ubuntu WIKI is a mass, i can't find any thingy in there10:46
MyKq3 i prefer google ;)10:46
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HrdwrBoBMyKq3: wiki is generally better for ubuntu10:46
pisukeyou'll end up in the wiki, anyway10:47
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AndyFitzanyone had luck with xorg and the radeon 9250 ?10:47
HrdwrBoBAndyFitz: should work ...10:47
FalstiusI set up my X300 with the fglrx drivers last night.  Seems to work.10:47
b_e_n_zAndyFitz, i have luck with xorg and radeon 9600 and 9800 Pro10:47
MyKq3pisuke,  yeah but the WIKI organization is a mass10:48
AndyFitzbenz,  cool  when did they update xorg-fglrx10:48
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b_e_n_zAndyFitz, using xorg built-in radeon driver, not fglrx10:48
AndyFitzbenz,  I can't get x to work at all without fglrx10:49
AndyFitzthe ati driver doesnt work for the 9250,   and radeon isnt on the list10:49
danielsah, craptastic10:49
b_e_n_zAndyFitz, what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?10:49
danielstry editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand and changing 'ati' to 'radeon'10:49
AndyFitzits all good I can wait .10:49
MyKq3wow ppl they r really going to make ubuntu some thing ... i think it will b the best distro...10:51
AndyFitzb_e_n_z,  xorg.0.log says alot of things :)10:51
b_e_n_zAndyFitz, find the error10:51
AndyFitzMyKq3,  it already is in my opinion10:51
Falstiusbest always depends on what your priorities are10:51
AndyFitzfailed to initialize core devices10:51
AndyFitzis the error10:52
MyKq3AndyFitz, :) there still few thingys missing for me , but they r working on it !!!10:52
topyliMyKq3: reviewing last year, someone had a good comment on their blog: "ubuntu showed how to fix debian" :)10:52
AndyFitzMyKq3,  I need to help make it more sexy :-P  brisgeek.com/etiquette10:52
Serengetitoplyi it's so great a joy to break a perfectly stable ubuntu system and then spend lots of time on repairing it... ;)10:53
topyliSerengeti: i know :)10:53
AndyFitzI think that most MSCE's suffer from stockholm syndrome10:53
topyliheh10:54
topyliAndyFitz: they fell for their captor?10:54
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FalstiusI'm still amazed when I see computer professionals using IE10:55
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topyliFalstius: hey, they need beta testers too! :)10:55
AndyFitztopyli,  yeah in a way they are in love with their captors.  its an un-healthy situation10:56
SerengetiFalstius maybe they were just doing this Windows Update thing10:57
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Serengeti;)10:58
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Simiramornin carlos10:58
AndyFitzwell I havent met too many MSCE's who don't promote MS products.   thats how I figure stockholm syndrome10:58
carlosmorning10:58
AndyFitzhi carlos, sav10:58
Savhi10:59
SavWhere sgould i put "modprobe ndiswrapper" if i want it to load on startup?10:59
AndyFitzgotta go hunting for some food ( bring on the Australia day left overs )11:00
AndyFitzI'll be right back11:00
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carlosSav: just put "ndiswrapper" inside /etc/modules11:00
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camhey guys just installed a new theme on my hoary ubbie-ubuntu :) um, now half of the gtk2 proggies like synaptic, net-admin come up in the default, ugly gtk2 theme11:01
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Agrajagyou mean all the ones that run as root?11:02
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Serengeticam you need to put it into /usr/share/themes11:02
camheh, yeh and thanks11:02
cam=P11:02
camyou just pointed me to the problem11:02
camjaja11:03
Savcarlos, ok thnx, now if i want a mount /dev/hdaX on startup? =)11:03
camyer thanks Serengeti, works fine now11:04
carlosSav: man fstab11:04
Serengetispeaking of themes, i just fell in love with this one: http://www.gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=1952711:05
Serengetibut it needs to be compiled11:06
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cam*looks*11:08
cami just saw bluecurve :/11:08
Serengetiit's nicer than bluecurve11:08
camits yellow :/11:08
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Serengetinot necessarily :)11:09
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ciocanelHi guys, what java software do I need tu run jedit ?11:10
MyKq3gnome feels very good but still it have a long way to do about its look11:10
Serengeticiocanel http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java11:11
MyKq3for some resone i feel that gonme is colerless11:11
ciocanelSerengeti: thanks.11:11
cam*turns of spatial*11:11
PWMMyKq3, what window manager do you recommend? :)11:11
Serengeticiocanel just use Method 0 and be happy :)11:11
ciocanelSerengeti: ok. I'll try :-)11:12
MyKq3PWM,  i dont... i guess that the one that u  need11:12
MyKq3PWM,  i use KDE but i can't say it will work right for ya11:13
PWMyeah well, the reason I'm asking is that I just started using linux :)11:13
SerengetiPWM i'd say stick to metacity :)11:14
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PWMand I've tried both KDE, Gnome and Fluxbox... Fluxbox was rather confusing... I could find the "start menu" :)11:14
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MyKq3http://www.gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=15963 PWM try this theme for gonme its very nice ^^11:15
PWMlooks nice indeed :)11:16
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cammilk is the best11:18
cam;)11:18
principerobotI11:19
camthat too KDE for me11:19
camlol11:19
principerobotcan you help me?11:19
camjust ask11:19
principerobotI have Ubuntu on my laptop11:19
principerobotAll working fine.11:19
principerobotbut I cannot see my battery status11:19
camcongrats11:19
camhave you added the battery status icon?11:20
principerobotI have done it11:20
Serengeticam milk is nice but Ana is nice too ;)11:20
principerobotbut nothing11:20
camyour laptop is a recent laptop?11:20
principerobotyas11:20
principerobot:-)11:20
Serengeticam so many nice things :D11:20
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camyou need to enable ACPI11:20
camor however its spelt11:20
principerobotit's already started11:21
principerobotbut nothing11:21
principerobot:-(11:21
camhave you configured it in your BIOS?11:21
principerobot?11:21
principerobot?11:21
principerobot?11:21
cam?11:21
cam;)11:21
camsomeone else might have to help you with this one, but im pretty sure you just need to enable it in your bios11:22
principerobotI have find nothing about acpi in my bios11:22
camhang11:22
cami got some info about this11:22
SackeRWhat kind of laptop do you have?11:22
camcan you do something for me?11:22
principerobotWith windows it work11:22
camcopy  the results from cat /proc/acpi/battery/*11:22
caminto #flood11:22
principerobotAcer Aspire 1681WLMi11:23
principerobotWait11:23
principerobotplease :-)11:23
camby * i mean the files in that folder11:23
camsure.. :|11:23
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principerobotIt's nothing here.....11:24
principerobot:-()11:24
camnothing in there?11:24
camacpi isnt enabled.11:24
principerobot:-(11:24
camyou need acpi11:24
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principerobotBut the others ACPI stuff are working (example power off)11:25
principerobotI think that it's already enabled11:25
principerobotHow can I re-enable ACPI11:25
principerobotMaybe then work it11:26
principerobot:-(11:26
camhrmm i might be wrong11:26
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principerobot?11:27
camjust doing a bit of research on the laptop11:27
camwont be a sec11:27
principerobot:-)11:28
camaccording to the laptop support list on the ubuntu website, everything should work out of the box.11:29
MrTrickHow well do medion laptops do at running ubuntu?11:30
principerobotBut it isnn't so....11:30
SavAnyone used BlueFish here?11:30
principerobotAll working.........but battery state and suspend not11:30
camhang11:31
principerobot?11:31
principerobotwhat?11:31
camok11:32
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ephichow do i change resolution on desktop?11:33
ephicwould i have to do that through gnome settings?11:33
pybe-lappyephic: its under prefs | diplay i think11:33
camwhats the current resolution?11:33
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camlaptops can only go so high and have a native resolution11:34
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ephicwait uh11:34
ephicwhere you seeing that option at?11:34
ephicpreferences11:34
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asproephic, system config > resolution11:35
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ephicaspro: thanks11:37
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ephicok lets see, how can you change the size of the icons?11:38
asprodesktop icons?11:38
asproright click on them and click stretch11:38
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ephicoh lol.11:39
ephicsimple enough eh11:39
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ntollhi, how do I set up the "server-name" for apache2 in ubuntu. My problem is that when I VPN into my LAN the DNS doesn't find my hostname but can find the ip address. When I click a page on my apache2 server it goes to http://hostname/page.html rather than http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/page.html11:39
MartokHey, is anybody awake?11:39
ntollI want the server name to be the ip address11:39
ntollMartok, yup11:39
Martokntoll, I have a question about firestarter.11:40
alteregowow....ubuntu is linux as it deserves to be! Congrats to all devs present and thanks for the CDs - already given half of them to interested people..11:40
ntollMartok, no idea about firestarter11:40
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MartokThanks.11:40
alteregoMartok: what's the issue with firestarter?11:40
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alteregoMartok: I'm using it here BTW11:41
Martokmsg alterego But how do I know it's running?11:41
MartokOops11:41
alteregoheh -keep it in channel mate :)11:42
MartokOh, it opened another window?11:42
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MartokI've been an on again off again IRC user.11:42
alteregoright click the grey dot or hover the mouse over it11:42
MartokI forgot alot of the commands, sorry.11:42
MartokGrey dot?11:43
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alteregoalterego: if it's running there's a dot in the panel11:43
MartokIt's usually a blue dot, but it's not here.11:43
alteregoyou have to start it as root - sudo firestarter from the command line11:43
Martokinit says it starts at boot time, but I guess it doesn't really start.11:43
alteregono it doesn't by default11:44
MartokHmm...11:44
alteregoMartok: you could make it so11:44
MartokHow do I make it really start at boot time?11:44
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alteregoare you always network connected?11:44
MartokYeah.11:44
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alteregowell, try editing /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh and adding the line ` sudo firestarter -s`11:45
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MartokOk! Thanks.11:45
alteregothat will start it, but without the gui11:46
alteregowhen you are in gnome, if you need the gui start it as I said above11:46
MartokWill the dot be in the pannel?11:46
alteregonot unless you start the gui, but once you have it, save your session when you log out11:47
magicchees1question11:47
camanyone know how i can display where apt has installed components?11:47
magicchees1what does on shell mean11:47
camfor instance need to find one file that i just installed :/11:47
camlol11:47
MartokOk, thanks.11:47
alteregoMartok: actually saving your gnome session on logout is all you really need to do11:48
magicchees1is that the black screen with the text11:48
alteregothe init.d isn't necessary11:48
MartokOk, yeah, I was about to suggest that.11:48
mz2is there a gui of some kind for changing the refresh rate of the monitor?11:48
alteregoMartok: unless you like to irc from console or similar11:48
MrTrickwhere's the best place to stick my executeables? (Got a standalone executeable for linux)11:49
MartokI'll probably do that on another machine.11:49
Serengetimz2 computer->system settings->screen resolution11:49
mz2Serengeti, that must be in hoary?11:49
Serengetimz2 no, warty11:50
alteregomz2: nope - I have warty here11:50
mz2Serengeti, hmm, which package provides that? i don't seem to have it installed11:50
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mz2Serengeti, oh right, you meant desktop preferences11:50
mz2and screen resolution from there11:50
topyliephic: from the menu: computer -> system configuration -> screen resolution11:50
magicchees1i was needing to use some instructions and was wondering what this meant11:50
Serengetimz2 i have it in system configuration11:51
magicchees1  Try on shell, entering with your login password created on installation steps,11:51
magicchees111:51
magicchees1 sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8611:51
magicchees111:51
magicchees1 Choose vesa driver, i always works, then choose the correct driver for your graphics card11:51
spiralhi11:51
alteregoso do I ...11:51
mz2Serengeti, interesting, i've got it in the desktop one :)11:51
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Serengetimz2 :)11:51
MrTrickwhere do executeables go?11:51
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alteregoMrTrick: it depends - type `which <executable> to see11:52
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alteregomostly /usr/bin11:52
principerobo1I'm back11:52
MrTrickUh, I'm trying to get Folding@ home running on this thing11:52
camany luck?11:52
principerobo1my problem with the battery status don't work11:53
principerobo1:-(11:53
camum11:53
camdo another dmesg | grep acpi11:53
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magicchees1where is the shell is that the black screen with the text at the beginning11:53
alteregoMrTrick: did you read the readme file or try --help or the man page?11:53
MrTrickheh, not just yet... dl'd the .exe, wondering where best to stick it.11:53
alteregouh..linux has no .exe11:54
alterego?11:54
topyliMrTrick: exe? you have a windows binary11:54
magicchees1can someone give me a hand11:55
MrTricktopyli: No, it's a linux executeable11:55
MartokDoes anybody know what the firestarter process is?11:55
MrTrickDon't know why they stuck an extension on it..11:55
Serengetimaybe it's mono?11:55
stvnalterego: linux does have .exe, like certain mono apps ;)11:55
MrTrickmono?11:55
Serengetilike .net for linux11:56
topyliMrTrick: if it's a single executable, you can put it anywhere. ~/bin or /usr/local/bin maybe11:56
stvnMartok: firewall11:56
topylistvn: oh yeah, tomboy.exe11:56
alteregostvn: yeah, OK - or apps run with wine ;)11:56
MartokI don't see firewall in ps -auxww11:56
stvnMartok: application>>system tools>>firestarter11:56
MartokIt says its running but I don't see the process.11:56
MrTrickokay, it works now...11:57
topyliMartok: i don't think firestarter runs all the time, it just sets up iptables and that's all11:57
MrTrickhow do I get it to run as a service? (ie in the background, rather than using a terminal)11:57
MartokOh... ok.11:57
alteregoMartok: ps aux | grep firestarter11:57
MartokThanks11:57
MartokWow, that's weird.11:58
Serengetimagicchees1, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system_shell11:58
alteregoit's /usr/bin/firestarter unless you compiled it :)11:58
topyliMrTrick: put a script in /etc/init.d11:58
MartokThe only process that it found was grep firestarter lol.11:58
MrTricktopyli: that contains what? I've no idea about scripting...11:59
alteregoMartok: then it isn't running ;)11:59
MartokDoes firestarter run all the time?11:59
topyliMrTrick: look at the other scripts and copy :)11:59
MartokWhen I uninstalled it, it had to stop it.11:59
alteregoMartok: no, you have to tell it to run12:00
topyliMrTrick: i just use webmin :)12:00
magicchees1thanks serengeti12:00
MartokAnd when I reinstalled it, it said it started it.12:00
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MartokOk, I'll try that.12:00
alteregoactually I lied, it's /usr/sbin/firestarter here12:00
MrTrickwill check it out12:00
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topyliMartok: that's what it says. when it "starts" it sets the firewall rules and exits. when it "stops" it unsets the tables and exits again.12:00
MartokOk.12:01
MartokWTF, now I can't even run it.12:01
alteregoMartok: here it wants a root password to start from gui - so your password won't do it12:02
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MrTricktopyli, if it's running as a service, would it be more appropriate to place it in /etc ?12:02
MartokI got it.12:02
MartokDue to my own mistake.12:02
alteregoMartok: that's why it's easier to start it from cli with sudo12:02
MartokYeah.12:02
MartokI had the command wrong in the launcher.12:02
alteregoah12:03
Martok<- Linux newbie.12:03
topyliMrTrick: no, binaries to some bin directory, conf files to /etc12:03
MartokSorta.12:03
alteregoMartok: hey, we are all newbies in some ways :)12:03
MartokYeah, that's what I say.12:03
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MartokBRB12:04
alteregoMartok: I just managed to get real player towork on ppc Ubuntu - a learning experience12:04
alterego!12:04
TreadingSoftlyHi folks. The Samba channel seems quiet. I'm having trouble writing to my samba shares on Linux host DRAGON from when logged in as terry from another Linux host (files open as read only). I've posted my testparm results on DRAGON into a pastebin: http://www.pastebin.com/234084 Can anyone see what I've done wrong? Both hosts are running Ubuntu Warty (with updates).12:04
mz2hmm, how'd i make ubuntu understand that i've connected another monitor to my laptop and that this new screen can actually handle a better refresh rate than that Screen Resolution dialog suggest12:05
mz2without meddling with modelines myself12:05
alteregohelix player wouldn't work... so I gave in to the dark eula to be able to listen to BBC 3 :(12:05
mz2because it only gives me 61 Hz rate as a choice in 1600x... (and it can do better)12:06
alteregomz2: if you do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it should ask you for refresh rates12:07
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alteregomz2: it isn't too scary - and you can go back by repeating it12:08
crispinhmm, does anyone know what package python-gtkhtml is in in hoary ? Straw seems to be missing a dependancy on it :-(12:09
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alteregocrispin: are you using apt ?12:11
alteregoor synaptic, I guess (same thing really)12:12
mz2alterego, cool12:12
alteregomz2: worked?12:12
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mz2alterego, well, sort of... well enough :)12:12
crispinalterego: well, aptitude, but it's all the same thing12:12
alteregoah, well at least an improvement then :)12:13
alteregocrispin: yeah ;)12:13
mz2have to say, ubuntu just keeps impressing me more and more. installed it onto a friend's laptop and surprisingly the centrino wlan just magically worked (and that's a first for me!)12:14
alteregocrispin: didyou try --fix-missing or -f ?12:14
alteregomz2: yes, I'm totally impressed too12:14
MrTrickSo, if I want to start an executeable (in the background, standard output either ignored or redirected to a file) how would the .sh file that does it look? (I know NOTHING about shell scripts)12:14
jdubmz2: our official project name for that is "totally rad laptop support"12:14
crispinalterego: thats the thing, aptitude shows all dependancies nice and happy, no missing packages or anything, but I can't see which package python-gtkhtml is in12:14
alteregojdub: ah - congratulations on your work - I'm so pleased with this distro (Debianista here)12:15
mz2although on my own it didn't :) but that's simply because i needed ndiswrapper for that specific card to work12:15
mz2jdub, you really seem to be doing something right :)12:16
jdubalterego: lots of interest in ubuntu here in .au :)12:16
jdubmz2: rock!12:16
Hwolfcrispin, just do a search for gtkhtml12:16
njanipw2200 works just fine in my centrino laptop. <3 ubuntu12:16
alteregojdub: I just gave out half my free CDs today - I even had a cafe owner who was sick of MS12:16
jdubheh, rad12:16
jdubwhere are you?12:17
alteregojdub: good on ya ;) !!12:17
alteregojdub: wollongong12:17
jduboh right12:17
jdubcool12:17
alteregoyou in Sydney?12:17
jdubyeah12:17
jdubquite a few gong people on the SLUG lists12:17
alteregoyou're in SLUG right?12:17
crispinnope, no luck search for gtkhtml, "apt-cache search gtkhtml" shows just the C libraries, nothing about python12:17
jdubyeah12:17
MrTrickYeah, hooray for Aussies. :-) (Oi Oi Oi)12:18
alteregoah - slow typing here - I'm on an iBook here: how do I do ctrl-alt-F2 etc on this thing ??12:18
jdubctrl-alt-fn-f212:18
jdubMrTrick: slug is on tomorrow night :)12:19
alteregoand to get bback to F7?12:19
MrTrickslug?12:19
jdubctrl-alt-fn-f712:19
jdubMrTrick: sydney linux users group -> www.slug.org.au12:19
MrTrickhow do I create a new file in the terminal?12:19
alteregojdub: hmm- doesn't work here :(12:19
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alteregojdub: I'm wasting 5 consoles ! :D12:20
MrTrickjdub: Cool, I'm actually a student there (still, I know)12:20
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jdubMrTrick: UTS?12:21
MrTrickhow do I create a new file from cli? no idea...12:21
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ubuntuim backive got more info as to whats wrong12:21
jdubMrTrick: what kind of file12:21
jdub?12:21
alteregoMrTrick: touch filename12:21
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MrTrickjdub: Yep! I'm about 3 subjects from graduation12:21
MrTrickthanks alterego12:21
ephicwhat would be the command to copy a folder to a different directory12:21
jdubMrTrick: heh, you should come :)12:21
ephiclike the java folder on my desktop says i cant move it unless im root.12:21
jdubephic: cp -r <folder> <folder>12:21
ephicah thank you!12:21
ubuntuit says that x server is not set up or configured12:22
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alteregoephic: sudo cp -r <folder> <folder> then12:22
ephicoh i know12:23
alteregoand type your user pass12:23
ephici was in root12:23
alteregok12:23
ubuntuhow do you change your username12:23
MrTrickjdub, sorry, busy tmw night12:23
jdubheh12:24
alteregoubuntu: tricky unless you don't mind losing you home directory ;)12:24
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ephicnaw just set up another user12:25
ubuntui screwed up i was originally magiccheese earlier12:25
ephiclol.12:25
alteregoubuntu: you can create a new user and copystuff over12:25
ubuntunevermind i dont guess its that big a deal12:26
ubuntudo you mind giving me a hand for a sec12:26
MrTrickhmmm, how does init.d work? It just runs ./$script start for everything in the folder?12:26
alteregoalthough that involves some interesting chmod and chown stuff..12:26
ephicis there any way i can drag and drop files into directories? rather than copy and paste through terminal?12:26
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alteregoephic: sure, if you have the right permissions12:27
ephicchmod +x each file i want to drag and drop?12:27
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alteregono12:27
ephicthank god12:27
ephicwait12:27
ephici think i set my root password12:27
alteregothat makes them executable12:27
ephictry to log in12:27
ephicer wait12:27
ephicwhat about chmod +a?12:27
alteregoephic: don't log in as root12:27
alteregoever12:28
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ephic? why not12:28
alteregoespecially don't run gnome as root12:28
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vihishi12:28
alterego1 security 2 you can easily stuff up12:28
ubuntuwhen i start ubuntu it loads all the way to opening gnome and it gives me the message cannot start x server its not configured right12:29
ephicoh12:29
vihiswhy should i choose ubuntu-linux instead of ie. gentoo or debian?12:29
ephichow would i give read/write access to myself through root in terminal?12:29
alteregoephic: I think gdm forbids root login by default anyway12:29
ephicit does.12:29
ephiclol.12:29
ephicanyhow gentoo's handbook is 160 pages..12:30
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ephica pain in the ass12:30
ephicand as for debian12:30
ephicthis distro is based on debian12:30
ubuntuso i ran the command sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree88 and it said xserver and xfree88 not installed12:30
ephicso you get the best of both worlds12:30
alteregoephic: you *can* run nautilus with sudo, but be *very* careful if you do..12:30
ephicah i see12:30
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ephicthat let me give file permissions?12:31
alteregoone false move and you can destroy the whole system12:31
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ephicah ok done deal12:32
ephic;D12:32
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ephic<3 nautilus12:32
ephick12:32
ephicall i did was drag and drop, and close12:32
ubuntucan you give me a hand alterego12:33
alteregoubuntu: just ask - if someone can help they will :)12:33
Martokalterego: I couldn't get my firestarter "problem" fixed.12:33
alteregoMartok: :(12:33
MartokI guess I'll just manually run it everytime I boot up.12:33
MartokHaha.12:33
ubuntui already stated the problem12:33
alteregoMartok: or write a little script...12:34
MartokYeah, one day probably.12:34
camhrmm why do people use xmms when theres beep-media-player! =P12:34
MartokWhat's beep-media-player?12:34
alteregoubuntu: sorry I forgot - what was it again?12:34
ubuntuwhen i start ubuntu it loads all the way to opening gnome and it gives me the message cannot start x server its not configured right12:34
ubuntuso i ran the command sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree88 and it said xserver and xfree88 not installed12:35
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scoonMartok, beep-media-player is like xmms except that it uses gtk2 for GUI instead of gtk12:35
alteregoubuntu: hmm... the usual solution is to run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`12:35
MartokHmm...12:35
MartokI dunno the difference.12:35
alteregoubuntu: it asks you questions about your hardware, refresh rates etc..12:36
ubuntuthats what i got in the forum and i ran it12:36
alteregoand?12:36
scoonMartok, the gnome you use is gtk2.  it is more polished.12:36
scoonMartok, you could always got the both players sites and check them out for yourself.12:36
ubuntuit said xserver and xfree88 not installed12:36
MartokYeah, that's what I'm doing.12:37
MartokI currently use XMMS.12:37
alteregoscoon: will it do digital output of CDs? I have a laptop iBook that needs that..12:37
alteregoubuntu: umm..warty?12:37
scoonMartok, dunno.  I am on x86 and do not have digital output for my cd12:37
alteregoit's xserver-xfree8612:38
scoonMartok, scratch that and redirect to alterego.12:38
cambeep-media-player is a fork of xmms, ported to gtk212:38
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ubuntuyeah just installed it tonight12:38
alteregoubuntu: typo?12:38
camtry it, its on hoary repos if ur using hoary12:38
MartokWow, beep-media-player looks cool.12:39
Ribsit's only xmms in gtk212:39
MartokReally good looking.12:39
alteregocam: it's in warty too - maybe in universe12:39
scoonit works well also.12:40
scooni used xmms for years12:40
scoonand then heard chatter about beep.12:40
ubuntuok so i misspelled it then its 86 instead of 8812:40
alteregoapt-cache policy says it's in Universe12:40
scooni have been using it for a few months now with no problems.12:40
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TreadingSoftlyDoes anyone here use Samba much?12:40
odysseyTreadingSoftly, yes alot12:41
alteregoubuntu: yup, I suspect so - the hyphen is important too, of course :012:41
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alteregoubuntu:  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8612:42
mgedminpython2.3 -c 'import gtk' tells me12:42
mgedminImportError: /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/_gtk.so: undefined symbol: gtk_cell_view_set_value12:42
ubuntuso its "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8612:42
ubuntuor do i start with dpkg12:42
alteregoubuntu: correct. without the quotes, obviously ;)12:43
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alteregono dpkg-reconfigure is the command12:43
ubuntuok im gonna try it thanks for your help12:44
alteregoxserver-xfree86 is the argument (the package name)12:44
alteregoubuntu: good hunting !12:44
ubuntuso sudo is not needed12:44
alteregoubuntu: yes, unles you are root12:44
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ubuntuyouve been a great help12:44
alteregoubuntu: all package management requires root privilege12:45
alteregothanks12:45
alteregoI'm always learning too :)12:45
ubuntufor a newly converted xp user its easy to get in over your head12:45
marcinhi - a question - I have winXP on hda1 and I'm installing ubuntu on hda2 - where should I put grub? boot? or mbr?12:46
alteregoubuntu: yes indeed - there's a lifetime of knowledge to learn in any *nix ;)12:46
ozanhi, i want to choose alsa as default instead of oss. how can i do it?12:46
jdubozan: ubuntu uses alsa almost forcefully by default.12:46
alteregoozan: it should *be* the default with ubuntu AFAIK12:46
jdubit just uses the oss emu layer to talk to it12:46
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jdubbecause using alsalibs directly is not great just yet12:47
alteregojdub: aha !12:47
alteregoI see12:47
alteregohence the appearance of oss in unexpected places...12:47
ozani can't hear startup sounds but when i open xmms with alsa i can listen mp3s. there is a problem but where12:47
alteregomarcin: mbr for dual boot12:49
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ozanafter i have bought a new mother board : p4p800-x , this problem occured. it has onboard audio device but closed from the bios... before that motherboard sounds were fine...12:50
marcinalterego: hmm so tell me why when I did this I got "operating system not found" ?12:50
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marcinthoreauputic: hmm so tell me why when I did this I got "operating system not found" ?12:51
thoreauputicmarcin: try setting bios to defaults - that happened to me once12:51
thoreauputicmarcin: the above fixed it12:51
marcinthoreauputic: hmmm fixed what?12:52
thoreauputicmarcin: that's awindows message12:52
marcinthoreauputic: your ntloader or something?12:52
thoreauputicmarcin: "operating system not found"12:52
marcinthoreauputic: in fact I'm trying to recover data from my partitions12:52
thoreauputicmarcin: ah - do you have a live CD?12:52
thoreauputicif so you can boot fromit and copy files over a network12:53
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thoreauputicknoppix/gnoppix/ubuntu live ...12:54
marcinthoreauputic: I had 4 partitions - hda1 for windows - ntfs, hda2 for linux, hda3 for swap and hda5 (on hda4) for data - fat3212:54
crispinseb128: btw, I found my problem with the kernel from yesterday, it was due to my sid -> hoary upgrade, and the mkinitrd didn't pick up the sata_via module it needed, having manually added that to /etc/mkinitd/modules it all works now, and once I am in an ubuntu kernel, I can remove it from that file12:54
seb128crispin: ok12:54
marcinthoreauputic: and after installing ubuntu I had "operating system not found"12:54
seb128nice to know that's fixed :)12:54
marcinthoreauputic: so, I reinstalled XP on first partitoin12:55
crispinseb128: yeah, also nice to know that it's not ubuntu's fault, but me doing a totally unsupported operation :-)12:55
marcinthoreauputic: but windows said that my hda5 with data is not formatted12:55
thoreauputicmarcin: after installing linux?12:55
seb128crispin: yep :)12:55
marcinthoreauputic: so, now I'm trying to recover data with "get data back for fat" software12:55
thoreauputicmarcin: if you reinstalled XP after linux, it probably stuffed your mbr at least12:56
marcinthoreauputic: and now I have working XP and free space on second partition12:56
marcinthoreauputic: so, now when I'll finish data recovery12:56
marcinthoreauputic: I'm going to install ubuntu again12:56
thoreauputicmarcin: hmm.. I don't know much windows, sorry - totally linux now12:56
marcinthoreauputic: but I really don't want these fu*** problems again12:56
marcinthoreauputic: yeah... I don't use windows too - but I'm installing this system on my customer's notebook12:57
marcinthoreauputic: and now I almost destroyed his data...12:57
thoreauputicmarcin: usual order 1) defrag windows 2) resize ntfs part 3) install linux on free space 4)put bootloader on mbr (I guess you know this...)12:58
hikaru79I've finally succesfully set up a pure-ftpd server, and it works fine. I can log in and all; but how can I make it so that one system user has permissions EVERYWHERE (can upload to /var/www/, for example) without like, CHMODding +777 to everything? How can I give just ONE user permission to everything?12:58
marcinthoreauputic: yes I know... and have no idea why I had this "no operating system found" bug...12:58
thoreauputicI can only reiterate that the machine may have a"protected" bios or something similar12:59
thoreauputichence the reset suggestion01:00
scizzo_hikaru79: start learnin about groups...01:00
hikaru79scizzo_, so it's got something to do with the user groups? =) Thanks01:00
hikaru79I'll look into that01:00
scizzo_hikaru79: if you change the group of the /var/www stuff....you can set the permissions on the group01:00
scizzo_hikaru79: add the users to the group that you want to be able to write or do whatever...01:01
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thoreauputichave to go - happy ubuntu to all :)01:01
hikaru79scizzo_, got it =) Works now01:03
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scizzo;)01:05
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gatolasapparently I'm having problems with my connection. Is google up for all of you?01:13
Nermalyeees01:14
Nermalgoogle is always up01:14
odysseyhmmm01:15
odysseyi just broke gnome volume control barstard of a thing it is01:15
jdubkeep it nice please01:16
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gatolasNermal: thanks. my ISP is crapping out on me then01:18
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gatolasI'm trying to find a driver for a cd drive KONEX NX-0102A and my search page only shows me 7 hits01:19
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SackeRMy panel has died :-(01:21
SackeRSays a panel is already running and I will now exit when i try to run another one01:21
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sladen_SackeR: pkill -u $USER01:22
ephicanyone know how to quickly install gtk+?01:22
gatolasSackeR: kill it01:22
gatolasephic: synaptic01:22
ephicim in synaptic01:22
sladen_ephic: everything you see in GNOME is being drawn with GTK+ !01:22
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ephicthen why wont gcc find the gtk+ headers?01:22
ephicwhen i try to compile code01:23
sladenephic: ah, you mean the /development/ packages01:23
ephicmhm01:23
sladenephic: what are you trying to build?01:23
ephicjust applications im making01:23
ephicmy code01:23
sladenephic:  apt-cache search gtk-dev01:24
ephicah ok thanks01:24
vihishmm!01:24
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vihisim burning ubuntu-installation image. any tips for install process? :)01:24
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Ribsyes, put the disc in the drive and restart your computer01:24
sladenvihis: insert the CD into the drive and follow the instructions :)01:25
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vihismmkay :)01:25
hikaru79Will fish ONLY work with KDE? No Gnome implementation yet?01:25
sladenhikaru79: perhaps you can tell us what 'fish' is01:25
SackeRWoot I have my panel back :-)01:26
RibsKDE programs should work in Gnome, given the right dependancies are avalible to it01:26
jdubhikaru79: gnome has had ssh/sftp support for ages.01:26
Ribsthey will look crap, but should work01:26
ephicThis is the development component of AiksaurusGTK, needed to develop01:26
ephicapplications with AiksaurusGTK.01:26
ephicthat what i need?01:26
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ephicoh wait01:27
ephicnevermind01:27
ephicim gettin it ;D01:27
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kbrooksgrrrr01:27
kbrooksi got dc (in the morning)01:28
kbrooksa refresh worked01:28
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kbrooksunplug and plug01:28
kbrooks:P01:28
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MonkikiSomeone using his PocketPC with Ubuntu?01:37
kbrooksMonkiki, and your question is?01:38
MonkikiSorry, can you install CABs and synchronize with Evolution?01:38
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RU63hello, what is the best kernel for centrino?01:42
jdubthe one that comes with ubuntu :)01:42
RU63but wich image?01:43
RU63i363?01:43
jdublinux-68601:43
jdubinstall that package01:43
RU63ok01:43
RU63cools01:43
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crispinjdub: any idea about my straw problems (it can't find the gtkhtml python library) ?01:44
dufashanyeHello I need some help fixing an error I inducted folling arround with gnome terminal01:44
dufashanyehow do i set things back, my icons all broken01:45
seb128crispin: have you installed python-gnome2-extras ?01:45
dufashanyealessio parli italiano_01:45
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crispinseb128: ahh, that would be a 'no', thanks :-) (but should that be a dependancy then ?)01:46
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seb128crispin: correct01:46
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dufashanyehelp...SOS01:46
seb128crispin: straw's bug (python-gnome has been splitted during the 2.9 time and it may break some depends in this way)01:47
crispinahh, excellent, my ubuntu desktop is now working perfectly, thanks very much seb128 :-)01:47
dufashanyei need to re set my ubuntu desktop01:47
crispinand I have have proved that you can go from sid -> hoary with only a few problems :-)01:48
dufashanyei messed with the gnome terminal01:48
HrdwrBoBseb128: split is the past tense of split fyi :)01:48
HrdwrBoBdufashanye: what do you mean messed with01:48
seb128crispin: np :)01:49
dufashanyeI don-t know I-m totally new to unix world man01:49
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seb128HrdwrBoB: ok, thanks, sorry for my bad english :)01:49
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dufashanyeis there a  way to se tihings back_01:50
dufashanyeset things back01:50
seb128what have you changed ?01:50
dufashanyenothing it didn-t gave me access, but no my icons are whit with a red cross on it01:50
ephicwhy when i type gcc main.cpp -o main...01:51
ephicit says cant find gtk/gtk+.h01:51
seb128dufashanye: is gnome-settings-daemon running ?01:51
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ephicobviously i have gtk on default right?01:51
ephicand im trying to compile my c++ program..01:51
RubenVdid you install the -dev packages?01:51
ephicya01:51
ephicthe gtk-dev01:51
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RubenVand for gtk, the gtkmm pkgs01:52
RubenVC++ uses gtkmm01:52
seb128ephic: because you need to add the `pkg-config --cflags --libs ....01:52
ephicgtkmm OO01:52
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MyKq3http://img194.exs.cx/img194/7481/untitled6hn.jpg01:52
ephicwhat do you mean?01:52
MyKq3does any one here knows if hoary will have OO2 ?01:52
dufashanyethink ill go back to winxp01:52
RubenVAFAIK, C++ uses a pkg called gtkmm01:52
dufashanyesee yall01:52
RubenVsimilar to pygtk for python01:52
ephicwinxp?01:52
jdubMyKq3: OOo2 is already in universe.01:53
RubenVyou need that if you want to use gtk together with C++01:53
ephicah damn.01:53
MyKq3really? jdub01:53
ephicthats a pain lol.01:53
ephici think i`ll just compile in winxp with devc++ and the gtk libraries, and port over to linux ;D01:53
MyKq3but i thought that OOo2 have not got out yet ...01:53
ephicwait can i do that?01:53
jdubMyKq3: pre-releases.01:53
RubenVgtkmm can be found in synaptic01:54
MyKq3jdub,  thanks for the imformation...01:54
RubenVit's in main i think01:54
ephicya but still..01:54
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ephicmy gtk-dev library isnt working01:54
ephic;/01:54
ephicsays it cant find gtk.h01:54
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RubenVthat's because you're compiling C++01:54
ephicso if i wasnt compiling c++..01:54
ephicit would find it?01:54
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RubenV#include <gtk/gtk.h>01:55
ephicya01:55
RubenVdoesn't work?01:55
ephicshould i just write in c?01:55
vihismmm. ubuntu is now installed <301:55
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RubenVdepends what language you prefer01:55
ephicya #include <gtk/gtk.h> when i compile a .cpp it says the headers arent found01:55
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ephicthe only new thing in c++ are classes right?01:56
seb128ephic: because you need to add the `pkg-config --cflags --libs .... (second time)01:56
ephici know i asked you how to do that01:56
ephicthats what it told me01:56
seb128ephic: you need to add the -L and -I option so it finds the headers/libs01:56
ephicahhh i see01:56
jdubephic: go to www.gtkmm.org and read the docs there01:56
RubenVephic: it's a bit more, it's a different language actually, but the biggest thing is idd OO01:56
seb128pkg-config --cflags --libs does that for you01:56
RubenVbut if you're using C++, you'll need gtkmm01:56
ephicohhh ok01:56
ephicok i`ll do that and get gtkmm01:57
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jdub(RubenV: not strictly, but it makes using gtk in C++ nicer.)01:57
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RubenVjdub: using plain gtk would kinde leave out the advantages of C++ eh ;)01:57
ephicsays must specify package names on the command line01:57
jdubRubenV: not entirely01:57
jdubRubenV: cf. gnomemeeting01:58
RubenVi'd better shut up :)01:58
jdubephic: this is really not the right place to learn how to use gtkmm01:58
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ephicim not learning how to use gtkmm..01:58
jdubephic: go to www.gtkmm.org, there's documentation, mailing list and irc links there01:58
ephicim not trying to learn..01:58
ephicwhat are you talking about01:58
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ephicim trying to set up my gtk dir01:59
ephicso gcc picks up my headers01:59
jdubwell, if you're having trouble with pkg-config, you're best off reading other docs there01:59
RubenVadd the pkg config stuff to your command line01:59
RubenVas said :)01:59
ephici typed  pkg-config --cflags --libs01:59
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nullheya jdub02:00
RubenVhttp://gtk.org/tutorial/sec-compiling.html02:00
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_santiago_hi02:02
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_santiago_I've just installed ubuntu in my Dell Inspiron 700m02:02
elyseumcongratulations02:02
null700m, hmm nice machine :-)02:03
nulli was about to buy it, but too xpensive02:03
_santiago_thanks, It has a intel 82852 video card, It supports 1280x800 but I can't config it02:03
nevynI was on the tram today and observed a random guy running ubuntu on a ibook02:03
vihis:o02:03
_santiago_:O02:04
vihiswho runs linux on ibook?!02:04
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nevynumm lots of people.. aj, most of ibm's ppc lab staff...02:04
nevynrusty.02:04
vihis:\02:04
sivangdoes anybody know the name of the proggy that lets you use one monitor mouse and kbd, and control 2 machines over a LAN?02:05
nevynlots of them.02:05
nevynboth machines ubuntu?02:05
vihiserr. what is root's password @ just installed system? :D02:06
sivangone debian, one ubuntu02:06
sivangvihis: none :)02:06
SackeRSudo :-P02:06
sladennevyn: the half of the development team that don't have thinkpads!02:06
sivangvihis: sudo passwd root, if you want to enable the root account but I'd advice against it.02:06
sladenvihis: sudo apt-get install ...02:06
mgedminnevyn, x2x or x2vnc02:06
sladenvihis: and enter your own passwd02:06
sivangsladen: hey02:06
mgedminoops, that was meant for sivang02:06
nevyn:)02:06
sivangmgedmin: any of the you would recommend best?02:07
nevynsladen: umm the thinkpads are just for urrunning note's under wine I thought... ;)02:07
vihisah! :)02:07
_santiago_I get this in the XFree86.0.log: (II) I810(0): Not using mode "1280x800" (no mode of this name)02:07
_santiago_(--) I810(0): Virtual size is 1024x768 (pitch 1024)02:07
sladen_santiago_: do you have a wide screen laptop?02:07
mgedminsivang, if both machines run X, use x2x, otherwise use x2vnc02:08
Lathiatyeh the 700m is widescreen02:08
null_santiago_: look at http://tuxtops.com and click notebooks and select dell and 700m, ull find all the details there02:08
nulli think tuxtops.org,02:08
sivangmgedmin: both running X , ubuntu xorg, and the other xfree :)02:08
sladendaniels: ping  1280x800 non auto-detection magic02:08
sivangsladen: egh, also non 1024x768 100Hz autodetection magic on my flatron :)02:09
sladensivang: what does dccprove give?02:09
_santiago_sladen, yes, it's a dell inspiron 700m02:09
sivangsladen: I'll tell ya in a sec02:10
sivangsladen: also, I can't get to make cpufreq work on my laptop, we should sit together to fix that sometime :)02:10
sladensivang: now's good02:11
sivangsladen: erhh, lappi in hospital, something b0rked :-02:11
sivang;-(02:11
sivangsladen: I'd take it that a week will pass before technician will attend to it02:11
sladenah, okay02:12
sladenI'm still waiting to hear back from davej anyway02:12
sivangsladen: it randomely hangs or by playing with the lid back and forth...rather sad.02:12
sivangsladen: whose he?02:12
sladensivang: that could be mjg59's crack that tried to to S3 the machine when shutting the lid.02:13
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SchaapHi, im updating Ubuntu over SSH, i can shut down the window with out disturbing the upgrade process right?02:14
mgedminSchaap, no02:15
sladenSchaap: has the update finished?02:15
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Schaapstill going02:16
Plukschaap you need screen for that02:16
Schaapaha ok02:16
Schaapthen i have to wait :)02:16
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nullany one here have dell 510m ? laptop02:16
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RubenVnull: problems?02:16
sladenSchaap: ah, do you mean ''can I *log out*'' ?  You might be able to do  ^Z bg [enter]  disown [enter] 02:16
RubenVI have an inspiron 8600c02:17
sivangSchaap: you need screen, then CTRL +A+D02:17
RubenVno they don't suspend ;)02:17
mgedminI sometimes ^C an upgrade in progress, start screen, and immediatelly repeat the upgrade02:17
sladenSchaap: but doing it inside screen in the first place is a much better idea02:17
mgedminthen I can detach and let it finish in background02:17
LathiatRubenV: my 8600 does02:17
RubenVsivang: if already running, that would be quite hard?02:17
nullsivang: yeah i heard 8600 is a sweet machine02:17
Lathiatdisk and ram02:17
Schaapnah, im in windows now02:17
RubenVLathiat: really?02:17
LathiatRubenV: yep02:17
RubenVreally?02:17
LathiatRubenV: ati or nvidia?02:17
Schaapand my sister needs to do home work02:17
RubenVnividia02:17
RU63when i upgrade a kernel... should i rm -r the old file that says 2.6.8.386?02:17
nullim getting 510m, soon prolly in another week,02:17
Schaapsol Win+L is the solution :p02:17
RubenV*nvidia02:17
LathiatRubenV: no02:17
LathiatRU63: rather02:17
LathiatRU63: no02:18
tritiumRU63, if you want to remove it, remove the package02:18
nullany ideas how long it took u guys after payment of money to get the lappy ?02:18
Lathiatnull: from dell?02:18
nullLathiat: yeah from dell02:18
Lathiat2 weeks for me02:18
Lathiatinto australia02:18
sladenRU63: no.  just apt-get remove the old one02:18
RU63tritium ok02:18
Lathiatprobably quicker if your in the US02:18
RubenVLathiat: what kind of video do you have?02:18
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RU63thanks guys02:18
nullLathiat: where in aus, iam in brisbane02:18
LathiatRubenV: nvidia go 520002:18
RubenVI guess I'll need to test some more02:18
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RubenVnice!02:18
RubenVme too, i think02:19
RU63and how do i make someones name red when i type back?02:19
LathiatRubenV: add Option "NvAgp" "0"02:19
RU63like u did for me02:19
Lathiatto your device section02:19
Lathiatand suspend should work02:19
RubenVLathiat: does that disable agp?02:19
nullLathiat: whereabrs in aus ?02:19
Lathiatrubenv: yeh02:19
RubenVdoesn't that hugely slow down your video?02:19
LathiatRubenV: makes a big hit on graphics02:19
Lathiatlike switching to a mozilla window02:19
Lathiattakes like half a second of 100% cpu02:19
Lathiatother stuff isnt so horrible02:19
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Lathiatmuch better with it on02:19
Lathiatits a tradeoff02:19
RubenVhow does it do normal desktop use then?02:20
Lathiatwell i class taht as normal desktop use ;p02:20
Lathiat3d works fine02:20
Schaapso anyhting else cools that i soo dont need but is a must g\have for ubuntu?02:20
_santiago_null, I can't find the "notebooks" link in tuxtops.com02:20
RubenVi'll have a go at it tonight :)02:20
LathiatRubenV: my disk was swsusp202:20
LathiatRubenV: no idea waht the default one does02:20
RubenVmanual patching thus02:20
Lathiatand i was using bernard blackhams hibernate script02:20
Lathiatfor suspend to ram02:20
Lathiati think its in universe now (package name hibernate)02:21
RubenVin what section did you put the nvagp?02:21
LathiatRubenV: device02:21
LathiatRubenV: i said that up above ;p02:21
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RubenVI guess i'll have to set renderaccel to off? :)02:21
RubenVmy bad, sry02:21
Lathiatdunno02:21
Lathiati dont have it set to on02:21
Lathiatshould i?02:21
null_santiago_: oops i gave u the wront website,02:22
RubenVi have it on, i'll test with on02:22
RubenVbut when disabling agp02:22
RubenVit'll be slow as hell anyway02:22
null_santiago_: http://tuxmobil.org/dell.html everything is there02:22
Lathiatits not that horrendously bad02:22
Lathiatjust annoying02:22
Lathiathas anyone tried to get twivniew going when you have custom X modelines?02:22
Lathiatcus i have custom modelines for my 1680x1050 but twinview wont bring that up on my first monitor02:22
_santiago_null, thanks :)02:22
null_santiago_: no problemo, i hope it helps cos i will be looking forward to use it for my dell 510m soon :-)02:25
RubenVhmmm, I better put a note that I disabled AGP02:25
RubenVso that I remember it when I notice my laptop acts funny tomorrow02:25
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tritiumRubenV, why did you disable AGP?02:25
nullLathiat: twinview, with nvidia, are u able to span the desktop to 2 monitors ?02:25
RubenVtritium: Lathiat advised me in order to be able to suspend my nvidia powered laptop02:25
Lathiatnull: yes02:25
Lathiatnull: but i cant get my first display up to full resolution?02:25
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RubenVanyone managed to suspend nvidia with agp?02:26
tritiumRubenV, me02:26
nullLathiat: what gfx card ?02:26
Lathiatnull: nvidia go 520002:26
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RubenVtritium: any special settings?02:26
tritiumI've got a GeForce4 440 Go02:26
tritiumnvidia NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=102:27
tritiumin my /etc/modules02:27
nulli tried twinview, i could get 1600x1200 on both montiros, ohh this is desktop gforce4 gfx, but i can get only same display on both02:27
tritiumthat's it02:27
tritiumOh, disable video posting02:27
RubenVI'll have a further look at it tonight02:27
RubenVsuspend would be nice02:27
tritiumRubenV, you're on Hoary?02:27
RubenVyes02:27
nullLathiat: i mean its mirror on both the screens, how did u get desktop span 2 2nd monitor02:28
tritiumAnd you've seen this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM02:28
Lathiatnull: with TwinViewOrientation "RightOf"02:28
Lathiator whatever02:28
Lathiatthere are many places you can read up on it02:28
RubenVa while ago02:28
tritiumok02:28
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RubenVI even sent some debug stuff to mjg59 a while back02:28
jazzkahi!02:28
nullLathiat:  n ur able to move between 2 screens the applications ?02:29
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RubenVbut then it just faded out of sight for some reason02:29
Lathiatnull: yes02:29
jazzkais there any way to try a livecd (like ubuntu's) without burning it to a cd?02:29
nullLathiat: i tried dat to be the rightoff but couldnt get it work,02:29
RubenVperhaps I should start bugging mjg59 again :] 02:29
tritiumRubenV, what laptop do you have?02:29
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RubenVDell Inspiron 8600c02:29
G2khey guys what are some of ubuntu's strongpoints? im using gentoo and ive heard a bunch of great stuff about ubuntu and was thinking of trying it out02:29
RubenVhmmm02:29
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RubenVthe wiki page about PM seems updated a lot02:30
tritiumInspiron 8600 has some results02:30
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nevynit's debian. but a little easier02:30
tritiumRubenV, check HoaryPMResults02:30
RubenVwatching it now02:30
RubenVthat line wasn't there a while ago02:30
nevynG2k: that was too you.02:30
nullLathiat: can u send me ur xorg.conf ?02:30
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RubenVwhem the HoaryPM page was still about some older kernel02:30
tritiumit's been there for a few weeks ;)02:30
RubenVthanks tritium :)02:30
Lathiatnull: i dont have it working atm02:30
tritiumsure thing02:31
Lathiatnull: just google around theres plenty of examples02:31
G2knevyn: so what package manager does it use? apt?02:31
RubenVtritium: the past month i've done nothing but studying02:31
RubenVbloody university02:31
tritiumRubenV, glad to be done with that :02:31
tritium:)02:31
nevynG2k: dpkg like debian.02:31
nullLathiat: do u wanna have a look at mine, i have one, but i get only clone eventho its left off02:31
nevynapt is not a package manager.02:31
Lathiatnull: too busy atm sorry02:31
G2knevyn: wll..ya got my point ^_^02:31
nullahh okies02:32
nevynbut the "normal" person would use synaptic02:32
G2k?02:32
nullany one else running twinview with nvidia ?02:32
nevynG2k: root is disabled by default.  the gui is reasonably consistant and clean02:32
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nevynsynaptic is a gui frontend for apt02:33
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magiccheesethanks for the help earlier btw guys02:33
magiccheesei look forward to working with you again as i continue to learn this new os and get it set up02:34
G2knevyn: root is disabled?? wtf. so its like windows? one user manages everything. and what do u mean by gui being consistent? it uses gnome i presume02:34
nevynroot is disabled by default. it doesn't listen on any services.02:34
nevynyou can't login to the system as root you don't set a root password during install.02:35
SchaapWhere is a good Shellscripting tutorial02:35
nevynthe user that you create during install has sudo access tho.02:35
Schaapjust basics like writing test to a file02:35
Schaaptext02:35
G2knevyn: why did they take the root off?02:35
nevynecho "sometext" > somefile02:35
Schaapi wanna try a script that makes a LAMP and logs it02:35
nevynG2k: why do you need it?02:35
Schaapaha, and replacing text?02:36
G2knevyn: who manages system files, other users, kernel etc02:36
nevynroot still exists.02:37
nevynit's just there's no need to use it in ubuntu the default user can do everything with sudo02:37
nevynSchaap: sed tr perl pick your favorite.02:37
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nightgoatg2k: you can reenable root by assigning root a password.02:38
SchaapYeah, still need a tut :) cant ask you guys to explain everything02:38
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tritiumI was going to try out the new LiveCD, but nautilus apparently can't erase CD-RWs any more...02:38
jdubG2k: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo02:38
nevynG2k: but it's a bad idea.02:38
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jdubG2k: you don't need a root account enabled at all ;)02:38
jdubG2k: this is not at all like windows, btw.02:39
G2km...i guess im too used to gentoo02:40
nevyngood stay there.02:40
G2kwow, welcoming community02:40
G2kbye02:40
magiccheesehow hard is it to enable agp02:41
tritiumhmm, how can I erase a CD-RW?  nautilus no longer can...02:41
thenuketritium: k3b?02:41
tritiumthenuke, yeah, if I wanted that installed02:42
tritiumtoo many kde libs02:42
thenukenow you have reason to install it :)02:42
thenukeok02:42
tritiumthanks, though02:42
tritiumgnome keeps removing useful applets and features02:42
magiccheesewhats involved in enabeling agp02:43
fwiffomagiccheese, what do you mean enable agp?02:43
tritiummagiccheese, nvidia card?02:43
magiccheesemy ati card is listed as being on pci sot 1 instead of agp02:44
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magiccheesei read somthing about enabling your agp slot02:45
mjragp looks like a pci bus to the OS02:45
nevynsortof.02:45
magiccheesethis is all new to me02:45
nevynagp is pci for initialisation. but it's not really like pci02:45
mjrwell, sort of yeah02:46
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pisukesame happened to me in another pc02:46
magiccheesei cant find any controls as far as setting the stuff up02:46
pisukea nvidia card was detected in 2:0:002:46
pisukeinstead of 1:0:002:46
pisukeby lspci and xfree02:46
pisukedon't know if it afects performance02:47
pisukeagpart was loaded correctly02:47
fwiffopisuke, it should get listed by lspci02:48
pisukefwiffo, yep it was listed02:48
pisukein pci position 2:0:002:48
pisukeit was a dual amd6402:48
fwiffothat shouldn't matter02:48
pisukethat's what i thought02:49
pisukejust was surprised02:49
fwiffoit's just its id on the bus02:49
magiccheesehow do i se if agpart was loaded02:49
fwiffolsmod|grep agpgart02:49
tritiumthere needs to be an option to "umount", not just "eject" auto-mounted CDs02:50
magiccheeseis that the command02:50
fwiffomagiccheese, yes02:50
magiccheeseim new to the linux world02:50
magiccheeseman theres alot to learn02:50
fwiffomagiccheese, that's ok ;)02:50
pisukemagiccheese, you can also have a look at /var/log/XFree86.log.002:50
magiccheeseim liking it though02:51
magiccheesei like this irc channel thats set up its helped alot02:51
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pisukesorry, it's XFree86.0.log02:51
fwiffomagiccheese, you could also try 'dmesg|grep agp'02:52
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fwiffomagiccheese, then you should be able to see which agp mode is used (x1 x2 x4...)02:52
magiccheeseafter dmesg what icon is that02:56
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fwiffothats a vertical bar02:56
magiccheeselol which key is that02:57
fwiffoi'm not sure how you make with other keyboard layouts than mine (danish) :)02:57
Bigtoepipes02:57
Bigtoeabove the enter key on a US keyboard02:57
magiccheesethanks02:58
fwiffopretty much the same here, but I need to do altgr and that02:58
fwiffosuper :)02:58
Bigtoe<shift>\02:59
Bigtoe|02:59
fwiffo:)02:59
magiccheeseagpgart: Detected SiS 746 chipset02:59
magiccheeseagpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 816M02:59
magiccheeseagpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xd000000002:59
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magiccheeseits using my onboard video isnt it i have a ati card03:00
fwiffoit should i guess03:00
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fwiffowhich ch03:01
fwiffowhich chip is it?03:01
magiccheesemy card03:01
fwiffofx. mine is an Radeon 720003:01
fwiffoyes03:01
magiccheese9600xt03:01
fwiffoonboard?03:01
magiccheesevideo built in to the mobo03:02
fwiffook03:02
magiccheeseforgive me if im confused03:02
fwiffoyou could try 'glxgears' then you get a sort of benchmark03:02
fwiffojust to see how fast it's working right now03:03
magiccheeseis that a program03:03
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fwiffoyes, yu should have it i think03:03
fwiffohave you installed the ati driver for the card?03:04
magiccheesehow do i run it03:04
fwiffotype03:04
fwiffoglxgears03:04
magiccheesein the command03:04
fwiffoyes03:05
magiccheeseman there are so many cool things in this os03:06
kanbelahelp me out here: should i start installing ubuntu? i'm new to linux and i'm afraid my laptop wouldn't like it cos it didn't like mandrake03:06
fwiffohehe, yeah03:06
magiccheese1695 frames in 5.0 seconds = 339.000 FPS03:06
fwiffokanbela, you could try the liveCD first03:06
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magiccheesethats my fps in the default window size03:07
bitfoo:|03:07
kanbelai'm running livecd now, as a matter of fact :)03:07
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tritiumkanbela, and it liked your laptop?03:07
fwiffook, thats not so impressive - i get 3084 frames in 5.0 seconds = 616.800 FPS03:07
kanbelaseems to work but i'm afraid something happens in installation03:08
bitfoo600 fps isnt impressive?03:08
fwiffoypu might want to try and install the dglrx driver03:08
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magiccheesei need some tweaking then dont i03:08
fwiffobitfoo, mine is R7200 his is R960003:08
magiccheeseati i believe has some new drivers03:09
fwiffomagiccheese, yes - they should be in the package system (synaptic)03:09
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magiccheeseim just glad today to be up and running03:09
magiccheesei installed and i had to acsess xfree to get my video up03:10
fwiffomagiccheese, yes if you are not going to be doing great 3D stuff then perhaps it's just too much trouble for no real benefit03:10
magiccheesei will use it for a few games03:11
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magiccheesehow hard is it03:11
SteveAmy laptop hung when i removed the removeable cd drive on the latest hoary kernel.  it never used to do this under warty.03:11
fwiffook, try to take a look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto03:11
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pisukehow can i know the maximum agpmode that my videocard supports?03:12
magiccheeseshould say at the site03:12
fwiffomagiccheese, the wiki really has some great info ;)03:12
magiccheeseok ill follow the link thanks03:13
magiccheesei appreciate the help guys03:13
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fwiffomagiccheese, you're welcome :)03:13
emanuelezis the metacity bug been fixed?03:13
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tritium"The system is going down NOW!! this console." message on the LiveCD startled me.  I thought it failed to boot at first.03:16
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veejeyHello, can anybody guide me how to play midi files in my ubuntu? My card is sb1603:17
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veejeyHello, can anybody guide me how to play midi files in my ubuntu? My card is sb1603:22
tritiumveejey, I'm not too familiar with midi players.  Try "apt-cache search midi" on the command line.03:23
tritiumbrowse the package descriptions, and if you see one you want to try, you can install it03:23
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jk24Hi03:23
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jk24anybody have X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h ?03:24
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jk24oops, sorry, google just tel me03:25
veejeytritium: i installed midi player but got no output; it says open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory03:26
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green_hi all03:28
green_ :)03:28
tritiumhi green_03:28
green_why ubuntu cannot play wma ?03:28
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Plukhiya03:28
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jacksparrow'hi all03:28
jacksparrowSomebody use external dvd-rw on usb?03:28
green_xmms cannot play my wma files?03:28
green_is there anyone can play wma with xmms?03:28
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tritiumgreen_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/03:30
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Bigtoedoesn't kaffeine play wma files?03:31
nightgoatanyone have any success making the conversion from xfree86 to xorg?03:33
LaurenceRoweYou need mplayer and the codecs from some other apt source to play wma03:33
nightgoatis it just installing the right debs and converting the XF86Config.4 file?03:33
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PDU-Xhi03:37
PDU-Xi have a problem with the new hoary03:37
PDU-Xi need to restart about 3 times in order that the eth1 interface (wireless) appears03:37
PDU-Xany tip?03:37
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pybe-lappyPDU-X: check your network settings03:39
tritiumnightgoat, xorg will install /etc/X11/xorg.conf upon installation03:39
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PDU-Xpybe-lappy why? before upgrading it was working03:40
pybe-lappynightgoat: search the wikki for hoary upgrade, it mentions the xorg part in there03:40
PDU-Xand now some times work some times no03:40
pybe-lappyPDU-X: whats the device03:40
PDU-Xipw2100 (wireless in a centrino)03:41
pybe-lappyPDU-X: are there any messages in the logs or at boot saying its failed03:41
PDU-Xwhere can i find the logs03:41
pybe-lappyPDU-X: does that use ndiswrapper?03:41
nightgoatpybe-lappy, thanks.03:41
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PDU-Xi dunnow, i don't think03:41
pybe-lappynightgoat: hth03:41
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tritiumI think it does03:41
PDU-Xit uses a own driver03:41
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PDU-Xbut if i make a lspci i can see the device03:42
scoonanyone here using openoffice2 ?03:42
scoonif so how do you like it ?03:42
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ronny_frowhere do I find the installer03:42
ronny_froeg, to install sshd etc03:42
tritiumscoon, I gave it a try.  I haven't noticed a big difference.03:42
ronny_froI see archive manager but theres no package list or anything of that nature03:43
Rotundoronny_fro: do you mean synaptic ?03:43
Rotundoronny_fro: system tools03:43
ronny_froyes I suppose so03:43
scoontritium, are you using the hoary deb's or did you install from OO ?03:43
tritiumscoon, the new database application like MS Access isn't available yet03:43
tritiumscoon, Hoary debs03:43
pybe-lappyPDU-X: whats lspci call the device?03:43
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ronny_froI dont have that03:43
scoontritium, did you leave OO1 in as well ?03:43
Rotundoronny_fro: in your desktop menu03:43
PDU-XIntel Pro Wireless 2100... etc..03:43
tritiumscoon, yes, both can be installed simultaneously03:44
ronny_froalso, I dont recall setting a root password in the install03:44
PDU-Xi do a modprobe ipw2100 but notjing03:44
tritiumronny_fro, that's correct03:44
Rotundoronny_fro: ubuntu does enable root at first you use your password to run "sudo"03:44
ronny_frooh good03:44
ronny_froit puts my nick in sudoers03:44
Rotundoronny_fro: that allows you superuser privileges when needed03:45
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ronny_froI am very familliar with sudo03:45
tritiumronny_fro, that's the recommended approach, rather than using the root account03:45
Rotundoronny_fro: if you run any gui apps that need root from the menu you'll get s sudo dialog asking for your password.03:45
Rotundoronny_fro: otherwise from a term you should use sudo as ussual03:46
snowblinkronny_fro: gksudo /usr/sbin/synaptic03:46
ronny_frocool... I agree... just used to having to login as root, edit sudoers file etc03:46
Rotundosnowblink: where in the menu should synaptic be, he can't seem to find it03:46
tritiumRotundo, on Hoary?03:47
snowblinkRotundo: warty has it under computer->sys config03:47
tritiumDesktop->Administration on Hoary03:47
ronny_frowow03:47
ronny_frognome on this box runs CONSIDERABLY slower than osx03:48
tritiumronny_fro, what machine?03:48
ronny_fromacmini03:48
tritiumnice03:48
Rotundowell I am not running ubuntu right now (at home I just installed it two days ago fro the first time) and in debian its under Applications, so I wasn't sure if I was giving him good info :)03:49
tritiumronny_fro, do you have a digital camera?  could you take a pic of ubuntu running on mac mini?03:49
ronny_frodigital camera? I could take a screenshot03:49
ronny_frobut I dont have public webspace03:49
tritiumBut that won't look much different from ubuntu on any other machine03:50
Zindarronny: how much memory in that box?03:50
Rotundoronny_fro: I think they want to see the machine in the shot as well03:50
ronny_fro256, it will be upgraded03:50
tritiumronny_fro, this is what I was thinking of: http://www.gentoo.org/images/gwn/20050124_mini.jpg03:50
Savanyone know how to prevent the screen som getting in idle mode while watching a movie03:50
Zindarronny: I can imagine that gnome eats it all while osX is somewhat nicer... to start with03:50
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Savsom form03:50
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ronny_frowell gnome is sexy as all hell03:51
Zindarsav: change the screensaver options03:51
ronny_frobut I planned on installing ubuntu and hopefully tweaking the crap out of it03:51
snowblinkThis guy ended up selling his mini mac after trying linux on it http://krussell.com/mini/03:51
ronny_frowell I think people had a lot of unrealistic expectations03:51
ronny_frothe machine when comparing linux on the mini and linux on a equivalently priced pc... theres a big difference03:52
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ronny_frothe fact of the matter is apples hardware is still superior in handling multimedia stuff03:52
erikhey, does anyone know of any prepackaged emacs CVS snapshots?03:52
ronny_frodoes xorg xwindows run faster than xfree?03:53
LinuxJonesronny_fro, no03:54
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ronny_frohmm03:54
ronny_frono package for xdirectfb03:54
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snowblinkdoes anyone here use Thunderbird 1.0?03:57
tritiumsnowblink, I'm using it03:58
snowblinkany ideas how to get it to respect column width restrictions when reading & replying?03:58
lavigjquick question, is anyone using network manager?03:58
scoonone thing, oo2 does a better job of viewing ms word docs than oo03:58
tritiumsnowblink, does the "Wrap plain messages at XX characters" setting not work?03:59
snowblinktritium: only when composing new messages03:59
tritiumsnowblink, I hadn't noticed03:59
snowblinktritium: Type a long sentence as a reply to something03:59
ronny_froso synaptic doesnt list xdirectfb patch04:00
ronny_froer package04:00
snowblinktritium: I'm hoping it's a setting I've just overlooked.04:00
ronny_frowhat do I need to search for to find a package I can actually install04:00
snowblinkronny_fro: check your repositories04:00
Rotundoronny_fro: in synaptic you can search for it04:00
ronny_froI searched04:00
tritiumsnowblink, you're right04:00
ronny_froI've got DIRECTFB04:00
ronny_frobut not xdirectfb04:00
snowblinktritium: sorry, now you noticed it it will bug you forever!04:01
Rotundoronny_fro: in a terminal you can "apt-cache search <Searchterm>"04:01
tritiumronny_fro, "apt-cache search" on the command line can be useful too04:01
tritiumsnowblink, yeah, no kidding :)04:01
ronny_fronothin04:01
ronny_frothats what I was sayingj04:02
snowblinktritium: I believe the end result is okay, but I can't tell because the other thing that's foobared is the width when reading.04:02
ronny_froif I need to find the correct .<package extension>04:02
tritiumronny_fro, search term "directfb" gives some results, though I'm not sure if it's what you're looking for04:02
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snowblinkronny_fro: what repositories are you using?04:02
ronny_froall the ones listed that I can check.04:03
tritiumsnowblink, I switch back and forth between thunderbird and evolution.  They both have their bugs.04:03
ronny_frodeb/debsrc04:03
ronny_froand cdrom04:03
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snowblinktritium: I'm switching between thunderbird and mutt04:03
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snowblinkronny_fro: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/04:04
snowblinkronny_fro: try setting up the repositories in the guide and see if you have any luck04:05
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snowblinkhis mini mac must have died. ;)04:06
LesleyBwhat's the relationships between dpkg, aptitude and synaptic?04:06
LesleyBdo they all work off the same data set?04:06
LesleyBso if I upgrade/install using one of them that will then show in the others04:06
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LathiatLesleyB: more or less04:07
RU63heya, i just installed 686, but now when i go to upgrade, the upgrade want's to upgrade 386.. should i do this?04:08
Lathiatit wont hurt04:08
RotundoLesleyB: basically dpkg is very low level, and synaptic and aptitude are easier to use front ends that handle more for you.04:08
RotundoRU63: you can remove 386 if 686 works for you04:09
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LathiatRU63: upgrading it wont hurt tho (just a big download) -- itl use 686 over it04:09
RU63Rotundo: ok, thanks04:10
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LesleyBty Rotundo04:10
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RU63Lathiat: thanks..04:12
lavigjquick question, is anyone using NetworkManager with gnome?04:13
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green_hi all04:14
green_:)04:14
mxreaderhey04:14
green_i got libwma.so now in /usr/lib64/xmms/Input/libwma.so04:14
green_so its easy that xmms can run wma04:15
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green_is there anyone who wants to play wma with xmms its easy04:15
green_just put the libwma.so in  /usr/lib64/xmms/Input/04:16
green_c u04:16
mxreaderi'm having prob with a website that requires IE, since i've only got ubuntu loaded is there a workaround?04:17
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Savmxreader, mail the webadmin and tell him to get better skills coding.04:18
Rotundoheheheh04:18
RU63What does this mean?  IRQ: ignored04:18
mindphasrwhats with my cdrom only ripping at 2.5x on a 48x32 cdrom with a grip nice value of -18..and encoding at only 2.8x04:18
scoonmxreader, there is a firefox plugin that will allow you to change the way firefox introduces itself to web servers.04:19
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mxreaderscoon, ok whats the name of the plugin?04:20
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scoonmxreader, dunno.  it is easy enuff to find tho.  i don't need to use it.04:20
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mxreaderscoon, k i'll go check it out ta04:21
Rotundomxreader: even if you use the plugin still write to the webmaster, it'll will do us all good.04:21
mxreaderrotundo, cant... its a government department04:22
Rotundomxreader: is there a law against contacting the gov't ?04:22
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mxreaderno but its not going to be done tomorrow... heck they cant even support mac properly04:23
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RotundoI wasn't suggesting that you'll get change over night, I was simply saying that letting them know puts it on the radar, and if enough people complain then maybe in the future supporting web standards will be something they consider, but if you just mask your firefox as IE, well then they will never even see that firefox is being used to view the site.04:24
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ragtrxReal quick guys, acceptable specs for ubuntu machine accessed remotely through SSH: P1 100MHZ, 256Mb Ram, 1Gb HD?04:26
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ragtrxit will be used for simple command line text editing, and G++ compiling.04:27
nevynragtrx: sure.04:27
zenwhenragtrx, if it doesnt need to run X, that should be fine04:27
shockyeah04:27
nevynragtrx: 256mb of ram on a P1 ?04:27
ragtrxx is the graphics correct?04:27
zenwhenyes04:27
shockyeah04:27
nevynyou could get by with just 32meg for those tasds04:27
nevynbleh s/tasds/tasks/04:27
shockwell... the more, the better04:27
nevynsure but is that even possible .04:28
shock32 is really slow - i set up a machine like that four routing04:28
nevynsure it's a p1? not a ppro or PII ?04:28
shockits running nicely04:28
mxreaderrotundo, yeah that may be worth the effort although only a select group will actually use the site... I mean in the hundreds only.04:28
ragtrxyea, its just an old pc lying around the house, and I want to start using ubuntu, but scared to do it on usual PC04:28
Rotundomxreader: I was just suggesting a little something for the community, you don't have to do it :)04:28
ragtrxhey guys thanks a lot, I appreciate it04:28
nevynragtrx: if you don't run the gui it'd be great.04:29
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ragtrxnevyn: so I would need more machine to run gui, correct?04:29
Rotundoragtrx: don't be scared, the ubuntu gui is very friendly and nice, if you could spare a partition for it, dual booting is very easy04:29
lavigjdoes anyone know how to use the Network Manager applet?04:29
otherlavigj: what do you need help with?04:29
nevynragtrx: not terribly much more.. but I'd say p6 class would be what I'd reccomend04:30
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ragtrxrotundo, can I just put it on a seperate HD and dual boot, and access it from windows04:30
nevynragtrx: anything around 500mhz would be ok.04:30
ragtrxrotundo, I am pretty sure that is possible, but I don't know how to do it, or where to read about it04:30
nevyna 100mhz p5 will be kinda slow for stuff like rendering webpages and compiling and stuff.04:31
Rotundoragtrx: you would need 3rd party software to access a ubuntu partition from windows (if you know any tell me!) but yes the ubuntu install will set up the dual boot automatically04:31
nevynRotundo: umm colinux, exploree2fs04:31
shocker... there is this (i thin k commercial) software "ext2 anywhere" or something like that04:32
ragtrxrotundo, nevyn: how would I switch between the two04:32
nevynexploree2fs is free I thought04:32
nevynragtrx: at boot time.04:32
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Rotundodo any of these mount the ext3 partition like a standard drive?04:33
lavigjgodsmoke: just getting it to launch, getting the applet in the toolbar, things like that04:33
ragtrxnevyn: oh ok, that is what I thought, I really want something where I can have windows up and still have access to ubuntu; so seperate PC should work for now, especially since I only want to learn basic command line things at the moment04:33
godsmokelavigj: well ... I'm not sure where your question is -- you click on the icon, either through the applications menu or whatever -- what else do you want to know?04:33
Rotundoragtrx: I am exclusively a debian (and now ubuntu) user, but I have one machine that dual boots, the ubuntu install handled it very quickly and easily durring install. really very simply...04:34
lavigjgodsmoke: how do I make that application appear? is there a way to add an applet that has not been recognized by the system?04:34
Gusto_can anyone help me set up some kind of identd?04:34
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occyanyone here know what I can apt-get install to make soundjuicer extract to mp3?04:34
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ragtrxnevyn, rotundo: at college no room for another PC, monitor, etc; so I was thinking set it up and then access via SSH04:34
nevynragtrx: you could use colinux for that and just access it in windows04:35
guillemHi. I wish to create a very simple bootable CD with linux kernel, network card detection and up via dhcp, graphic car detection and X11 configuration and vncviewer and perhaps some other programs... Where can I find information of how to do that?04:35
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nevynragtrx: I'd reccomend that.04:35
godsmokelavigj: you just use a 'launcher' in the toolbar, and tell it to launch that program04:35
nevyncolinux runs as a service under windows.04:35
shock<Rotundo> ragtrx: I am exclusively a debian (and now ubuntu) user, but I have one machine that dual boots, the ubuntu install handled it very quickly and easily durring install. really very simply... <-- same here. was a piece of cake, and ubuntu behaves VERY well when creating multi-boot systems (debian/ubuntu/winxp)04:35
Rotundoragtrx: a gui over ssh on a P1 100 will be tough... I would say take the 1GB HD you have and plop it in the current mahcine you sue and install ubuntu on it with a dual boot, if your really looking into checking out the full features04:35
ragtrxok, I'll have to read more about that04:36
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Rotundowww.ubuntulinux.org04:36
ragtrxabout colinux and others04:36
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nevynragtrx: if youre willing to not have gui stuff for now.04:36
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nevynbut half the point of linux is that the apps are allround better except firefox.04:37
lavigjgodsmoke: that's just it, I am also having trouble even getting the program to run. I know it is there, and that it should run, but it is not. Plus, it comes with a gnome-applet. you can find the ubuntu port at http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager, and the official site at http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManger04:37
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godsmokelavigj: I'm not sure what you mean -- when you click on it, it doesn't start?04:37
nevynand openoffice.org it's better than word but that's not saying much.04:38
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godsmokeopenoffice is extremely bloated04:38