[12:00] <nightgoat> Agamotto: I looked it up on Google and got White Nationalist stuff :) That's not right...
[12:00] <haggai> kent: thanks.  You can try OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=none oowriter2  to override the gnome part
[12:00] <HrdwrBoB> the best way to make quake3 work is to wait until the source gets released :)
[12:00] <nightgoat> LinuxJones: That's a damned good question, it's a built-in one, so I don't know for sure.
[12:00] <theine> What heppened to udev in Hoary? Suddenly there are hundreds of device files in my /dev directory.
[12:00] <nightgoat> I will have to track that down.
[12:00] <LinuxJones> nightgoat, try lspci and find out what kind of sound device you have.
[12:01] <kent> haggai, just tried with a diffrent theme, and its not showing there. So i guess its the theme. Strange though, since its not showing in other programs.
[12:01] <Sav> is there any mediaplayer that can handle .wmv?
[12:01] <nightgoat> LinuxJones: I will do that, just a minute.
[12:01] <nightgoat> Sav: xine or mplayer will.
[12:01] <tritium> Sav, with w32codecs
[12:01] <Quest-Master> Sav: MPlayer could. Or gxine
[12:01] <theine> nightgoat: in case you have sound problems in Q3, have you tried 'killall esd'?
[12:01] <Sav> vlc doesent?
[12:01] <[OWL] Cleaver> hello, im having some network issues here, anyone can assist?
[12:01] <nightgoat> theine: no, i will try that too.
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> theine: you need to do that also
[12:01] <Quest-Master> Sav: vlc does too
[12:01] <Quest-Master> ;)
[12:02] <Sav> Quest-Master, hmm do i need plugin for that then?
[12:02] <Tuxicity> Sav, nope
[12:02] <theine> I once tried esddsp, but the sound was rather crappy
[12:02] <Tuxicity> Sav, VLC has its own codecs
[12:03] <k31th> wat codec do i need to play divx?
[12:03] <k31th> and xvid
[12:03] <k31th> the name of the package ?
[12:03] <Tuxicity> k31th, with VLC, none, with other players, win32codecs
[12:03] <beatyou> having a video problem with the ubuntu live CD that ive never had before
[12:03] <beatyou> anyone help ?
[12:03] <nightgoat> theine: that didn't help, I don't think esd was running
[12:03] <Agamotto> beatyou:  What kind of problem?
[12:04] <kent> k31th, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:04] <Agamotto> Resolution, intermittent flickers?
[12:04] <nightgoat> LinuxJones: lspci comes back with heaps of "unknown device" devices. Not a good sign.
[12:04] <Tuxicity> k31th, actually it's "w32codecs"
[12:04] <Sav> Tuxicity, im getting security varning when i try to open .wmv with vlc, and then it will not open
[12:04] <nightgoat> I've got to track down what hardware it is.
[12:04] <beatyou> when I start the live CD it goes to the ubunto loading (the one with pretty loading bar at the bottom) and after that my monitor just goes black
[12:04] <theine> nightgoat: it wasn't? are you sure? what does 'ps x | grep esd' give you?
[12:04] <beatyou> but the OS is still running the cd drive is being accessed
[12:04] <LinuxJones> nightgoat, is there any multimedia devices listed ?
[12:04] <beatyou> i think its trying to put it in a resolution/refresh rate my monitor doens't support
[12:05] <k31th> Tuxicity thanks
[12:05] <nightgoat> theine: probably nothing right now since I just ran that command... yep, nothing
[12:05] <LinuxJones> nightgoat, lspci | grep audio
[12:05] <Agamotto> k31th:  http://ubuntuguide.org/ - This is full of goodies for installing codecs and such
[12:05] <beatyou> Agamotto any ideas ?
[12:05] <nightgoat> linuxjones: 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00ea (rev a1)
[12:05] <theine> nightgoat: does Q3 hang at sound initialization?
[12:05] <LinuxJones> nightgoat, there you go
[12:05] <nightgoat> theine: no hang, it just doesn't give me sound.
[12:06] <theine> nightgoat: oh, i see, than it's a different problem than i had recently
[12:06] <nightgoat> linuxjones: yeah, i'm going to dig around nvidia's site and see if they have any motherboard drivers for linux.
[12:06] <Agamotto> beatyou:  Easy - use the Vulcan nerve pinch ctrl+alt+plus/minus keys on keyboard.  Should cycle X through modes until something pops up on screen
[12:06] <theine> nightgoat: do you get any sound at all under Ubuntu?
[12:06] <[OWL] Cleaver> my mozilla being ubber slow, the problem was sorted by replacing the dns ip on network config, but now i noticed every time  i reboot linux the original dns ip are placed again
[12:06] <nightgoat> linuxjones: i almost installed my old sblive card again, then remembered how many extra cables I'd have to run.
[12:07] <[OWL] Cleaver> anyway to fix this?
[12:07] <haggai> kent: ok thanks. It's because OOo2 hasn't been widely tested on many systems yet and problems like this are still not yet completely solved. I'd be grateful for information in the bug to help the devs reproduce it
[12:07] <beatyou> thanks agamotto
[12:07] <nightgoat> theine: yeah, i can play UT2004, watch dvds, cedega, lots of stuff.
[12:07] <Agamotto> Try turning off IP6 searching - I think you type ///about: in a firefox/mozilla location window
[12:08] <nightgoat> theine: It's gotten to the point where I'm so close to having a completely boss system set up that I'm a man on a mission now!
[12:08] <nightgoat> although UT2004 runs slow for some reason
[12:08] <nightgoat> but that's another battle altogether.
[12:08] <Tuxicity> Sav, a security warning might be normal if the file extension doesnt match the file format. On Warty, my VLC can open .wmv fine.
[12:08] <ultimate_buzz> hello
[12:09] <theine> nightgoat: i really doubt that it is an driver issue in that case
[12:09] <Tuxicity> ultimate_buzz, good evening
[12:09] <timo_> how do i make a shortcut to a command
[12:09] <ultimate_buzz> need some help with ubuntu installation
[12:09] <ultimate_buzz> :D
[12:09] <tjs> gady, the kernel source/binary packages in hoary for 2.6.10 dont come with the .config used to build, and the kernel doesnt have the config builtin
[12:09] <[OWL] Cleaver> sigh
[12:09] <nightgoat> theine: really... that's curious and disheartening.
[12:09] <ultimate_buzz> the pc is an olt Siemens Multitainer with an MPACT multimedichip for audio and graphic
[12:09] <tjs> where can I get the hoary 2.6.10 kernel .config?
[12:10] <timo_> how do i make a shortcut to a command
[12:10] <tjs> timo_, ln -s
[12:10] <azeem> timo_: alias
[12:10] <theine> nightgoat: sorry if that that strucks you hard
[12:10] <timo_> alias?
[12:10] <timo_> just a shortcut on a desktop
[12:10] <timo_> i need that
[12:10] <ultimate_buzz> after the splash one site shows up then the screen goes black. disable the acpi or stet vesa to normal or video=vga16:off dont work any other tips to fix that problem ?
[12:10] <theine> nightgoat: but what do i know? maybe it is an driver issue
[12:10] <tjs> drag it from the menu
[12:10] <azeem> timo_: well, what kind of shortcut did you have in mind...
[12:11] <azeem> timo_: ah
[12:11] <azeem> timo_: they are usually add to the panel
[12:11] <timo_> xmms
[12:11] <azeem> timo_: so right-click on the top panel and choose 'add to panel'
[12:11] <azeem> and then 'application starter' (whatever that is in your locale)
[12:12] <timo_> i need ah ic
[12:12] <timo_> thanks m8
[12:12] <tjs> so, any ideas on where to get the kernel .config used to build the hoary kernels?
[12:12] <[OWL] Cleaver> i would like to know how do i change my dns settings without rebooting and seying them get back to default again
[12:12] <vladster> does anyone know the link to the site for the procedure of installing the NVidia driver
[12:13] <LinuxJones> nightgoat, looks like your soundcard should already be supported
[12:13] <Agamotto> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[12:13] <Agamotto> vladster:  Go to that link
[12:13] <vladster> already tyhere,tnx
[12:14] <Sav> Tuxicity, how about .asf then? i get sound but no video
[12:14] <snowblink> [OWL] Cleaver: man dhclient.conf
[12:14] <[OWL] Cleaver> ok
[12:14] <[OWL] Cleaver> i did the changes in the gui
[12:15] <[OWL] Cleaver> thanks
[12:15] <vladster> I couled try it the way I did it in sarge but I am not sure it supports it
[12:16] <dud> has anyone else noticing how someone, either with gnome or ubuntu, cant seem to decide to called it Trash or Waste Bin?
[12:16] <dud> yesterday it was Waste Bin, and now its Trash...  and a while before that again, it was Trash
[12:16] <Tuxicity> Sav, install "w32codecs" and xine just in case it works
[12:17] <k31th> w32codecs are not in apt-get ?
[12:17] <Agamotto> dud: That would depend on the localization - for the US, trash/trachcan is acceptable, where in the UK it should be rubbish bin/paper toss
[12:17] <ultimate_buzz> nobody have aclue on my problem ?
[12:17] <tritium> k31th, in marillat repository
[12:17] <k31th> anyone know of a plyer that will play over a samba share ?
[12:17] <theine> k3lth: have you checked http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ?
[12:17] <JConnell> k31th: MPlayer
[12:17] <theine> k3lth: i guess any player should be able to do that
[12:18] <Agamotto> 'sudo apt-get install w32codecs' you need to add Universe repositories, if memory serves
[12:18] <Riddell> Agamotto: it's not in universe
[12:18] <k31th> added that
[12:18] <Tuxicity> k31th, add debian marillat repo, just in case
[12:18] <dud> Agamotto, well they should be coherant about it anyhow
[12:18] <k31th> got a link ??
[12:18] <theine> k3lth: have you checked http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ?
[12:19] <Agamotto> theine:  Thanks, I couldn't remember that
[12:19] <theine> Agamotto: :)
[12:19] <[OWL] Cleaver> snowblink, no offense man... but i dont get a clue about that that thing is explaining
[12:20] <Agamotto> BRB, I am off to take a shower
[12:20] <bitfoo> how come my usb hard drive isnt showing up :|
[12:21] <[OWL] Cleaver> basicly my dns configuration seems broken on the network, pages take ages to load, unlike IE on xp, if i run a link with its direct ip the page loads in 1 second, if i use regular dns names it takes forever
[12:21] <snowblink> [OWL] Cleaver: sounds familiar...
[12:22] <[OWL] Cleaver> is that a normal issue on linux?
[12:22] <snowblink> [OWL] Cleaver: DHCP?
[12:22] <[OWL] Cleaver> im not the specialist yet, still learning
[12:22] <[OWL] Cleaver> i have a nat router
[12:22] <[OWL] Cleaver> that gives dhcp
[12:22] <[OWL] Cleaver> to internal machines
[12:22] <bluefoxicy> have you people considered what a disaster your choice of distribution nomenclature is?
[12:22] <snowblink> [OWL] Cleaver: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[12:22] <bluefoxicy> seriously
[12:22] <bluefoxicy> ubuntu has GOT to be the worst name ever chosen from an accessability standpoint
[12:23] <bluefoxicy> your logo has a bunch of Us and Ns that look identical, just rotated
[12:23] <tritium> bluefoxicy, anything positive to say?
[12:23] <bluefoxicy> what the hell is a dislexic person going to do if he sees that?
[12:23] <[OWL] Cleaver> ubuntu rules ktx
[12:23] <usual> bluefoxicy, would you prefer a red hat?
[12:23] <kent> haggai, sorry for leaving before. I have posted a reply to the bug about oo2. I im sort of sure its my gtk+ theme that is causing it. I have attached the theme. If i change theme to some other, it goes away, if i change back.. it comes back. Strange though..
[12:23] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  yeah, I'll be laughing at the first dyslexic to try to read the login screen >:P
[12:23] <usual> bluefoxicy, or a purple inflated G?
[12:23] <tritium> bluefoxicy, is laughing at the disabled funny to you?
[12:23] <k31th> im dyslexic
[12:23] <LinuxJones> bluefoxicy, is such a wonderfull handle
[12:24] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  yes, of course it is, I hear voices when I try to sleep
[12:24] <usual> LinuxJones, well he is obviously very creative, that just shows
[12:24] <LinuxJones> :D
[12:24] <bitfoo> how do i tell where my ntfs external usb hd is :|
[12:24] <tritium> bluefoxicy, we have a code of conduct
[12:24] <snowblink> [OWL] Cleaver: no general problems, but just dealt with someone with similar problem
[12:24] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  and no sense of humor?
[12:25] <bluefoxicy> oh wtf
[12:25] <bluefoxicy> 3 u's and 1 n
[12:25] <bitfoo> STFU THIS IS A GOD DAMN HELP CHANNEL :|
[12:25] <Po0ky> what file on the ubuntu cd is the boot.img used in morphix?
[12:25] <usual> I lost my sense of humor in nam
[12:25] <bluefoxicy> alright alright geeze, nobody even laughed.
[12:25] <k31th> :)
[12:25] <LinuxJones> [OWL] Cleaver, you probably have the IPV6 problem if your dns is taking too long
[12:25] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: if you run 'dmesg'
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> it will tell you it's detected etc
[12:26] <k31th> ummm wa mirror was i surposed to add to my sources.list ?
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> I don't hink NTFS will automount
[12:26] <Tuxicity> k31th, read the link theine gave you
[12:26] <[OWL] Cleaver> yup
[12:26] <ultimate_buzz> after the SPlash and the enter hit the ubuntu in stall shows up and my screen goes black , so how do i get my screen back
[12:26] <[OWL] Cleaver> how do i fix that
[12:26] <bitfoo> omg dmesg = massive amount of errors :O
[12:27] <LinuxJones> [OWL] Cleaver, let me find the link for you
[12:27] <[OWL] Cleaver> thank you
[12:27] <beatyou> i copied all the files from the ubunta live cd into my USB drive when i boot from the live cd and go to "boot from usb 2 device" it still boots from the CD ?
[12:27] <beatyou> ubuntu*
[12:28] <LinuxJones> [OWL] Cleaver, >> http://lists.debian.org/debian-ipv6/2004/12/msg00014.html
[12:28] <Po0ky> what file is the boot.img from a morphix cd .. "morphix"?
[12:29] <swim> does alien work for ubuntu?
[12:29] <gilles> for a beginner, what's the best hoary or warty ?
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> warty
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> it's the stable release
[12:29] <dud> alien works yes swim
[12:29] <gilles> do they have scim package, and can they be installed in chinese or not ?
[12:29] <swim> if I compile something in ubuntu amd64 will that app then run at 64bit?
[12:29] <ultimate_buzz> nobady have a solution for the black screen problem ?
[12:30] <dud> swim, yes, with a 64bit compiler
[12:30] <ultimate_buzz> the stuff thats in the forums dont work
[12:30] <beatyou> ultimate buzz does it do that when you boot up from the live cd ?
[12:30] <beatyou> try ctrl+alt+plus or minus keys
[12:30] <tritium> ultimate_buzz, you're installing Warty?
[12:30] <kent> its sort of funny that the about dialog in openoffice2 in Hoary says "This product has been created by my company based on OpenOffice.org using the LGPL", who's company is "my company"? ;)
[12:30] <swim> dud, so I dont simply ./configure, make, make install?
[12:30] <dud> gilles, isnt there a "red flag" distro for chinese....?
[12:30] <Tuxicity> gilles, i checked. Warty has scim and a chineese package for scim
[12:30] <dud> swim, most likely yes
[12:30] <swim> ok thx dud
[12:31] <Tuxicity> gilles, (but not tested by me, of course)
[12:31] <ultimate_buzz> tritium: yes
[12:31] <theine> does anybody know if it by any chance possible to replace the grahics card in an IBM Thinkpad?
[12:31] <tritium> ultimate_buzz, did you try what beatyou suggested?
[12:31] <swim> dud just as long as Ive got the source right? and not binaries?
[12:31] <ultimate_buzz> yes
[12:31] <ultimate_buzz> nothing happens
[12:31] <dud> if you use a chisel and a hammer...
[12:31] <gilles> dud: i dunno
[12:31] <tritium> can you switch to a VT using Ctrl-Alt-F1 ?
[12:31] <dud> swim, there are 64bit binaries as well for ubuntu amd64
[12:32] <swim> dud right but not of NVU
[12:32] <ultimate_buzz> nope
[12:32] <ultimate_buzz> screen is black
[12:32] <ultimate_buzz> i c nothing
[12:32] <dud> well, obviously you need source code if you want to compile something....
[12:32] <tritium> try other Function keys
[12:32] <dud> ultimate_buzz, are you eyes closed?
[12:32] <dud> s/you/your
[12:33] <Tuxicity> lol
[12:33] <ultimate_buzz> maybe its somthing with my graphic chip the MPACT
[12:33] <thenuke> theine: umm, laptops generally does not have cars.. other than pcmcia
[12:33] <tritium> ultimate_buzz, like Ctrl-Alt-F2 through Ctrl-Alt-F6
[12:33] <thenuke> theine: they are all built-in
[12:33] <ultimate_buzz> dud: no they are open ;D
[12:33] <ultimate_buzz> tritium: nnothing happens screen is black
[12:33] <Agamotto> Ok, back
[12:33] <snowblink> ultimate_buzz: monitor cable in, monitor on?
[12:33] <tritium> I've never heard of mpact
[12:34] <ultimate_buzz> so i cant install the ubuntu i think
[12:34] <ultimate_buzz> well snowblink i c the splash and a few lines ;D so i think the cable is in ;D
[12:34] <stvn> hunting for rooms
[12:35] <ultimate_buzz> MPACT is a multimedia chip with audio mpeg encoder/decoder and graphic
[12:35] <theine> thenuke: that's what i thought, but i'm just so desperate that i thought i give it a try and ask if it might not be the case
[12:35] <[OWL] Cleaver> ok edited the file
[12:35] <thenuke> theine: save some money and buy new used laptop :)
[12:35] <ultimate_buzz> there is an diagramm of the chip
[12:35] <ultimate_buzz> http://multitainer.letzgo.de/page.php?page=mpact
[12:36] <thenuke> if your current one is broken
[12:36] <ultimate_buzz> the suse based distris worked but they suck ;D
[12:36] <LinuxJones> [OWL] Cleaver, in console type update-modules and re-boot
[12:36] <ultimate_buzz> i want a debian based system ;D
[12:36] <[OWL] Cleaver> ok
[12:36] <carthik> I am trying to play .m3u files from a netjuke install and from other websites, and I have installed the mozplayer plugin. Now xmms just lauches and doe snot play the file, how can I fix this?
[12:36] <ultimate_buzz> and ubunto looks very nice
[12:36] <theine> thenuke: no no, i love my laptop, it is fairly new and has everything i need -- if only the ati drivers wouldn't suck so bad...
[12:36] <LinuxJones> [OWL] Cleaver, then ipv6 will not be loaded ever again :D
[12:36] <thenuke> theine: oooh.
[12:37] <[OWL] Cleaver> yeah i edited the aliases file
[12:37] <[OWL] Cleaver> ok now doing the update
[12:37] <carthik> I wonder why xmms just doesn;t play the m3u files... I use firefox, by the way
[12:37] <[OWL] Cleaver> k, brb
[12:37] <snowblink> LinuxJones: why do you think this is the solution to owl's problems?
[12:37] <LinuxJones> snowblink, because I had the exact same problem
[12:38] <snowblink> snowblink: DNS IP addresses being replaced because of IPV6?
[12:38] <snowblink> LinuxJones: DNS IP addresses being replaced because of IPV6?
[12:39] <ultimate_buzz> ipv6 has an other address type ;D
[12:39] <ultimate_buzz> longer by the way
[12:39] <LinuxJones> snowblink, he said that it was taking too long for pages to load in webbrowser
[12:41] <carthik> Can someone please help with my m3u problem?
[12:42] <Agamotto> I am sure that we will try
[12:43] <Tuxicity> LinuxJones, check this too http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#disableipv6-mozilla
[12:43] <nico|m> what's happening with locales in hoary currently? there seems to be no locales in newer gnome packages...
[12:43] <snowblink> LinuxJones: I'm hedging my bets on a dhcp dns overwrite. ;)
[12:44] <tritium> perhaps install resolvconf package
[12:44] <Tuxicity> carthik, you could try Beep Media Player instead of XMMS, just in case
[12:44] <tritium> oh, that's probably already installed
[12:44] <[OWL] Cleaver> alright
[12:44] <ultimate_buzz> so no solution for my problem ?
[12:44] <[OWL] Cleaver> browzer works pefectly now
[12:44] <[OWL] Cleaver> thanks
[12:45] <snowblink> LinuxJones: heh - you win
[12:46] <carthik> Tuxicity, I have tried kaboodle, xine, totem, mplayer, xmms, and now I will try Beep, but none of them have worked so far
[12:46] <[OWL] Cleaver> linux jones pwns
[12:57] <farruinn> wow, is it just me or has freenode had some problems lately?
[12:57] <snowblink> farruinn: looks like niven died
[12:58] <farruinn> seems like this sort of thing has been happening frequently
[12:58] <usual> where are package changelogs kept again? /usr/share...
[12:59] <farruinn> /usr/share/doc/[package] / iirc
[12:59] <tritium> yep
[12:59] <usual> ty
[12:59] <farruinn> /usr/share/doc/*/changelog.Debian.gz even
[01:00] <Orbo> does anyone have experience with wine?
[01:01] <[OWL] Cleaver> back
[01:01] <[OWL] Cleaver> yeah i was trying wine out
[01:01] <snowblink> farruinn: obviously the popularity of ubuntu is to blame. ;)
[01:01] <[OWL] Cleaver> but even mirc
[01:01] <[OWL] Cleaver> crashes on it
[01:01] <usual> rhythmbox in hoary has ipod support?
[01:01] <Adrenal> wine is still alpha
[01:01] <Orbo> [OWL}Cleaver: thing you could help me out?
[01:01] <[OWL] Cleaver> dunno
[01:02] <Adrenal> installing things is not general easy
[01:02] <[OWL] Cleaver> im a noob
[01:02] <Adrenal> besides, xchat is better
[01:02] <[OWL] Cleaver> if you want a decent emulation
[01:02] <[OWL] Cleaver> get cedega
[01:02] <Adrenal> vmware
[01:02] <[OWL] Cleaver> unfortunelly
[01:02] <tritium> wow - the new version of rythmbox just installed today does seem to have iPod support
[01:02] <[OWL] Cleaver> it requires money
[01:02] <Adrenal> isn't cedega only for games?
[01:02] <Adrenal> so does windows
[01:02] <[OWL] Cleaver> im running mirc with a cedega file
[01:02] <[OWL] Cleaver> but the file is warezed
[01:02] <Adrenal> cedea requires significantly less money then windows
[01:02] <[OWL] Cleaver> so its not working ok
[01:03] <[OWL] Cleaver> its only 5 bucks
[01:03] <Adrenal> hmm
[01:03] <Tuxicity> [OWL] Cleaver, Mirc is not worth cedega
[01:03] <[OWL] Cleaver> get it, tbh its worth the cash
[01:03] <Adrenal> can cedega use no-cd cracks?
[01:03] <Orbo> well I'm just curious to how to access the virtual C: drive that was installed
[01:03] <Orbo> I also just installed Fallout 2 with no hiccups and would like to see if it plays
[01:03] <Adrenal> should be in your home folder
[01:03] <[OWL] Cleaver> Tux - i would love to run actual games on linux
[01:03] <[OWL] Cleaver> other then mirc
[01:03] <[OWL] Cleaver> lol
[01:04] <bitfoo> so do it :|
[01:04] <bitfoo> run like et :O
[01:04] <bitfoo> or nwn :|
[01:04] <Adrenal> or hl2
[01:04] <[OWL] Cleaver> unfortunelly you need to get cedega and to get a perfectly working cedega u gotta pay
[01:04] <bodhi> how can i change the resolution?
[01:05] <tritium> bodhi, did that fix earlier work for you?
[01:05] <Orbo> Adrenal, only thing in /home is my user account
[01:05] <Tuxicity> Orbo, it's a hidden folder
[01:05] <Adrenal> click on that
[01:05] <Tuxicity> Orbo, .wine
[01:05] <Adrenal> thats *your* home folder
[01:05] <Adrenal> oh, my mistake
[01:05] <[OWL] Cleaver> yup
[01:05] <[OWL] Cleaver> its a fake c drive
[01:05] <[OWL] Cleaver> where u install apps
[01:05] <bodhi> tritium: yes ... i didnt see you on the list, thank you
[01:05] <tritium> bodhi, of course :)  I'm glad.
[01:06] <rellik> anyone know of a good Direct Connect client for linux?
[01:06] <bitfoo> what do you need cedega for :|
[01:06] <[OWL] Cleaver> games
[01:06] <Orbo> thanks Tuxicity
[01:06] <tritium> bodhi, you should be able to change resolutions with the "Screen Resolution" capplet
[01:06] <[OWL] Cleaver> only thing missing on linux
[01:06] <bitfoo> why not use wine :/
[01:06] <Tuxicity> Orbo, np
[01:06] <Adrenal> rellick: the standard one off synaptic is ok
[01:06] <bitfoo> or use windows
[01:06] <bitfoo> :|
[01:06] <[OWL] Cleaver> coz wine doesnt support direct x
[01:06] <bitfoo> use windows then :/
[01:06] <bitfoo> it is superior game platform :|
[01:07] <Orbo> neat, fallout is running great, but.....
[01:07] <[OWL] Cleaver> and vmmware doesnt allow d3d
[01:07] <Orbo> no sound
[01:07] <Tuxicity> [OWL] Cleaver, I heard Wine supports some DirectX...
[01:07] <bitfoo> UH OH SPAGHETTI-Os
[01:07] <Adrenal> so, not great
[01:07] <bborkk> Anyone know what happened to the wxPython 2.5.3?  Seems to have reverted to 2.4.2.4 when Python went from 2.3.4 to 2.4.
[01:07] <Orbo> yeah, good though
[01:07] <kent> rellik, valknut/dcqt-gui
[01:07] <Adrenal> ] oWL}Cleaver: i emailed them about that. They made their own inbuilt emulation
[01:08] <nexus> winex supports directx
[01:08] <[OWL] Cleaver> winex  = cedega
[01:09] <[OWL] Cleaver> pay stuff
[01:09] <nexus> right :)
[01:09] <Adrenal> its cheap
[01:09] <nexus> well it was been a while
[01:09] <Adrenal> seriously, take it like a man and support it
[01:09] <Adrenal> i've spent more on a cup of coffer
[01:09] <Adrenal> *coffee
[01:09] <[OWL] Cleaver> i dont have a credit card
[01:09] <Adrenal> and i don't even like coffee
[01:09] <mdz> Please test the latest Hoary live CD: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ (feedback to ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com)
[01:09] <[OWL] Cleaver> its just for that
[01:09] <[OWL] Cleaver> 5 euro is pocket money lol
[01:10] <Adrenal> what about your parents?
[01:10] <Orbo> how much does cedega cost?
[01:10] <[OWL] Cleaver> my dads are anti credit fanatics
[01:10] <Adrenal> practically nothing
[01:10] <Adrenal> friends?
[01:10] <[OWL] Cleaver> they are like "VISA IS EVIL"
[01:10] <Adrenal> paypal?
[01:10] <Adrenal> debit?
[01:10] <[OWL] Cleaver> nope
[01:10] <Adrenal> bugger
[01:10] <Tuxicity> [OWL] Cleaver, me too, credit cards and online transfers are evil
[01:10] <tritium> I'll test the Hoary PPC live CD tomorrow!
[01:10] <[OWL] Cleaver> well spending money that you dont have is wrong
[01:11] <[OWL] Cleaver> you end up being owned by the bank
[01:11] <Adrenal> what about a debit card then?
[01:11] <will> okay my sound in Ubuntu is playing at about 2x the normal speed! anyone have an idea what is going on?
[01:12] <Adrenal> time distortion
[01:12] <[OWL] Cleaver> i got a job yesterday, gonna get my first wage on the end of the month, when that happens ill setup some online purchase thing so i can get it
[01:12] <[OWL] Cleaver> untill then ill just have to improvise
[01:12] <Adrenal> ...or use windows for games
[01:12] <jono> hi all
[01:12] <Adrenal> they mostly run better natively
[01:13] <will> anyone any good with the  sound system here?
[01:16] <Orbo> well this windows thing is ufn and all, but linux does everything I need except games
[01:16] <Orbo> which is why I tried wine
[01:16] <Orbo> so I'll pony up some dinero and get cedega sometime
[01:17] <Tuxicity> Orbo, dont forget UT2004 and Doom3 run natively on Linux
[01:17] <Orbo> Doom3 really?
[01:17] <tritium> will, I've seen that problem mentioned before.  Did you check the wiki and the forums?
[01:17] <Orbo> link to a how to Tuxicity, maybe?
[01:17] <will> tritium: not sure what to look under!
[01:18] <Tuxicity> Orbo, a few months ago I played UT2k4 very well on Linux, it's easy to install
[01:18] <LinuxJones> [OWL] Cleaver, your working ok now, sorry was afk
[01:18] <Orbo> I don't have UT2k4
[01:18] <Orbo> but I do have D3
[01:18] <moquist> any specific recommendations for dual-LCD display setups?
[01:18] <ephic> can you use the amd64 install cd for an amd duron?
[01:18] <Tuxicity> Orbo, as for Doom3, never tried, ive heard some people on this channel having trouble installing it, search Google
[01:18] <ephic> er wait athlon
[01:19] <Orbo> searching
[01:19] <moquist> I've been told (here and elsewhere) that NVIDIA is good, but does anyone have more specific comments to make?
[01:19] <Adrenal> it has excellent linux support
[01:19] <ephic> does ubuntu support nvidia geforce 5200
[01:19] <Adrenal> ati is outdated
[01:19] <ephic> ?
[01:19] <crimsun> ephic: yes, through the "nvidia" driver.
[01:19] <keyshawn2> ephic, thats what i have.
[01:20] <ephic> ah ok great!
[01:20] <ephic> ;)
[01:20] <ephic> and another thing, amd duron processors, do they suppor the amd64 iso?
[01:20] <bitfoo> what you talking about :|
[01:20] <Hethh> /nf merry_lu
[01:20] <bitfoo> ati just released new drivers for x.org
[01:20] <bitfoo> :/
[01:20] <ephic> the amd64 version of ubuntu
[01:20] <ephic> like ubuntu-amd64
[01:20] <Hethh> uops
[01:20] <Agamotto> I would assume that amd64 would not be compatible with an athlon for install
[01:20] <Hethh> :>
[01:21] <ephic> ah ok.
[01:21] <jdub> mdz: let me know when there's a better url than http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDAnnouncement
[01:21] <jdub> bah
[01:21] <bitfoo> ephic :D
[01:21] <ephic> well its not intel
[01:21] <ephic> haha bitfoo
[01:21] <ephic> whats happenin
[01:21] <ephic> ive decided to try ubuntu lol
[01:21] <Hethh> Agamotto, i remember there was a 64bit compiled system ?
[01:21] <bitfoo> i said fuck it and just compiled that program with wine instead lolz
[01:21] <ephic> haha
[01:21] <bodhi> tritium: i saw the "Screen Resolution" capplet but i dont see the  one i want
[01:21] <ephic> i hear ya
[01:21] <Hethh> meant ubuntu/debian
[01:21] <bitfoo> just try the livecd first
[01:21] <bitfoo> see if you like it :O
[01:21] <ephic> decided to try ubuntu being as its based on debian
[01:21] <ephic> ;D
[01:22] <ephic> <3 debian
[01:22] <bitfoo> ;] 
[01:22] <LinuxJones> jdub, is there a .torrent for the Live CD ?
[01:22] <jdub> not yet
[01:22] <ephic> k one sec runnin install ;D
[01:22] <tritium> bodhi, if you edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file with the resolutions you want, you should see them
[01:23] <bborkk> Does anyone have wxPython 2.5 working with Python 2.4?
[01:23] <pvh> Is there an amaroK tutorial for ubuntu out there?
[01:23] <TimSNL> Does anyone know how i can run ELF SCO binaries on ubuntu?  Does it have iBCS or ABI support?
[01:23] <pvh> It was crashing with a message about missing ~/,kde/socket-arroyo/, so I created it, but still no love.
[01:24] <crimsun> pvh: amarok should just run normally.
[01:24] <pvh> crimsun: I agree. :)
[01:24] <Tuxicity> pvh, lol
[01:24] <will> my soundserver runs too fast, all music all sounds ...everything. what is going on?
[01:25] <crimsun> will: what sound chipset?
[01:25] <will> intel built in
[01:25] <will> crimsun: i think its ac 97
[01:25] <pvh> amarok: Is anyone actually running amarok here?
[01:26] <will> crimsun: it was fine up until cedega used it
[01:26] <crimsun> will: hmm, have you checked in cedega? I have an idea, but it's not related to cedega at all, so you'll want to ask in there first.
[01:27] <will> crimsun: okay will do.
[01:28] <TimSNL> Is ABI built into the 2.6.8.1-3 kernel?  Please help me with this
[01:30] <TimSNL> I am looking for a distro that has support for older ELF binaries. Will ubuntu do it?
[01:30] <will> crimsun: what was your suggestion?
[01:31] <bitfoo> :|
[01:31] <mdz> jdub: WAR
[01:31] <bitfoo> your link is wrong :|
[01:31] <jdub> mdz: s/WAR/GET OUT OF THE WAY/
[01:31] <blake> hey
[01:32] <ogra> mdz, jdub: please not..... i'm in the middle here in europe.....
[01:32] <blake> i gots a question
[01:32] <bitfoo> YAY
[01:32] <Xirdneh> can anybody tell me if ubuntu has support for DELL WIRELESS 1450 DUAL BAND?
[01:32] <mdz> finally
[01:32] <bitfoo> there is no 686 ubuntu?
[01:33] <bitfoo> Xirdneh, yes that is an atheros chipset :O
[01:33] <tritium> bitfoo, you mean 686-optimized kernels?
[01:33] <crimsun> will: removing snd-intel8x0 and reinserting it with `ac97_clock=41194'
[01:33] <bitfoo> yes tritium :|
[01:33] <tritium> bitfoo, sure there is :)
[01:33] <blake> if i have to OSs saved to my hard drive how do i start into a different os
[01:33] <Xirdneh> thnx bitfoo
[01:33] <bitfoo> nice :D
[01:33] <Tuxicity> blake, grub (or LILO)
[01:34] <blake> what do u mean
[01:34] <blake> im new to linux
[01:34] <will> crimsun: where would i do that?
[01:34] <blake> i have ubuntu and xp saved to my hd
[01:35] <crimsun> will: in the terminal.
[01:35] <blake> and it goes into ubuntu how would i get it into xp
[01:35] <bitfoo> when you reboot it should let you choose :|
[01:35] <blake> no it dont
[01:35] <blake> it just goes into linux
[01:35] <bitfoo> does it say "hit esc to get to menu"
[01:35] <bitfoo> or something
[01:35] <blake> yea
[01:35] <bitfoo> try that maybe :|
[01:35] <will> crimsun: sorry, but in what context in the terminal?
[01:36] <IRCMonkey> lo
[01:36] <blake> then when i hit it says ubuntu recovery
[01:36] <blake> ubuntu normal
[01:36] <blake> stuff like that
[01:36] <bitfoo> and no windows?
[01:36] <blake> rite
[01:36] <bitfoo> did you overwrite windows :|
[01:36] <mz2> blake, in the installation, did the installer ask you whether you want to be able to boot additional os's?
[01:36] <blake> no
[01:36] <blake> no
[01:36] <farruinn> I believe you have to uncomment or comment something in the grub conf
[01:36] <mz2> sure it did
[01:37] <blake> it didnt ask it just told me to make a partition
[01:37] <IRCMonkey> im new... i've been using Sarge(DEB) for quite sometime.. is ubuntu worth the switch?
[01:37] <blake> and i selected partition to empty space
[01:37] <sulkd> ehm
[01:38] <sulkd> can someone do me a favor and find the mx entry for my domain?
[01:38] <bitfoo> IRCMonkey, try the livecd so you can decide yourself :D
[01:38] <sulkd> my modem's dhcp seems to have gone fubar
[01:38] <mz2> as far as i can remember it does ask when it's finished with the package installation, but anyways, just add an entry to your /boot/grub/menu.lst for windows
[01:38] <bitfoo> that way you can test it, and keep debian :D
[01:38] <crimsun> will: close all sound apps and the volume control applet. Then `sudo modprobe -r snd_intel8x0 && sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0 ac97_clock=41194'
[01:38] <Kokey> when you make an update, and updates the kernel image, do not include the windows partition by default
[01:38] <stackpopper> how stable is hoary ARRAY-3?
[01:38] <blake> mz2 how do i do that
[01:39] <Kokey> needs to edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[01:39] <IRCMonkey> bitfoo: ok thanks ... is it on the web site?
[01:39] <blake> how do i edit it?
[01:39] <bitfoo> yes
[01:39] <blake> remember i new to linux
[01:39] <bitfoo> or you can try the brand new one
[01:39] <bitfoo> in the title
[01:39] <will> crimsun: okay thanks will try that!
[01:39] <LinuxJones> bitfoo, >> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20050126.2/
[01:39] <Tuxicity> blake, use gedit text editor
[01:39] <mz2> blake, well, first of all, can you remember which of the partitions is the one with windows on it?
[01:40] <IRCMonkey> k
[01:40] <bitfoo> LinuxJones, thats the development one though not stable :|
[01:40] <crimsun> TimSNL: /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include/linux/personality.h
[01:40] <bitfoo> though i am donwloading it ;D
[01:40] <blake> yes
[01:40] <blake> partition #1
[01:40] <mz2> as in /dev/hda1, /dev/hda2 and so on... so which one is it?
[01:40] <blake> then its 1
[01:40] <mz2> #1 starting from 0 or 1? :)
[01:40] <mz2> ok
[01:41] <blake> 1 is xp 2 is ubuntu
[01:41] <LinuxJones> bitfoo, >> sorry I got you confused with someone else :D
[01:41] <bitfoo> ;] 
[01:41] <blake> so how i add it?
[01:41] <mz2> then you just add this in the end of your /boot/grub/menu.lst :
[01:41] <mz2> #For booting XP
[01:41] <mz2> title           Windows XP
[01:41] <mz2> root            (hd0,0)
[01:41] <mz2> savedefault
[01:41] <mz2> makeactive
[01:42] <mz2> chainloader     +1
[01:42] <will> crimsun: i just re-run cedega and it fixed the problem! what a wierd bug
[01:42] <crimsun> will: cedega issue then, nothing to do with ALSA.
[01:43] <will> crimsun: kind of expect it dont you!
[01:43] <blake> like when it asks esc for menu?
[01:43] <blake> that when i add it?
[01:43] <crimsun> will: from cedega? from ALSA? I expect software to break. :)
[01:43] <mz2> so do this in the terminal: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:44] <blake> what terminal?
[01:44] <bitfoo> you can get to terminal by clicking applications > system tools > terminal
[01:44] <bitfoo> :|
[01:44] <mz2> blake, applications->system tools->terminal
[01:44] <bitfoo> OH I BEAT YOU WHAT
[01:44] <bitfoo> :|
[01:44] <TimSNL> Does ubuntu support abi to run older ELF binaries?
[01:44] <mz2> :P
[01:45] <crimsun> TimSNL: please install linux-headers-$(uname -r) and check the file I pointed you to, thank you. :)
[01:45] <blake> im in the menu
[01:46] <blake> nothing shows up in there
[01:46] <mz2> blake, and once you get that done, you'll find lots and lots of additional useful info from www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:46] <mz2> blake, how do you mean? in what menu?
[01:46] <mz2> did you save the file? :)
[01:47] <TimSNL> crimson >>> sorry i must have missed your reply before, what was the file you pointed me to?
[01:47] <drspin> how can I remove all files "x.y" starting in directoryName/ ????
[01:47] <blake> ok i copyed all that stuff u typed up there and pasted it
[01:48] <blake> then i clicked save
[01:48] <blake> is that correct?
[01:48] <mz2> yep
[01:48] <Peter> how hard is it to upgrade ubuntu to xorg?
[01:48] <drspin> how can I remove all files "x.y" starting in directoryName/ ????
[01:48] <crimsun> drspin: find directoryName -name 'x.y' | xargs rm -f
[01:48] <blake> so now when i reboot i can get to xp
[01:48] <blake> ?
[01:48] <mz2> yup
[01:49] <blake> i will have to hit esc for menu?
[01:49] <blake> then select xp
[01:49] <blake> that rite?
[01:49] <mz2> just try, will you? :)
[01:49] <mz2> it won't bite you
[01:49] <drspin> crimsun: thanks :) removing all my Thumbs.db files in three years worth of picture folders :/
[01:49] <blake> ill try the come back and tell you
[01:49] <mz2> cool
[01:51] <TimSNL> what command do i use to "install linux-headers-$(uname -r)".  I need some help to set started here
[01:51] <drspin> sorry for repeating... thought I was -v for freenode because I hadn't identified
[01:53] <LinuxJones> TimSNL, open a terminal sudo -s (enter your password) apt-get update && apt-get install  linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:53] <Peter> is it worth upgrading to xorg?
[01:53] <TimSNL> thx
[01:53] <mz2> Peter, nah, just wait for hoary
[01:54] <Peter> is there a est release date?
[01:54] <jdub> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[01:54] <jdub> we don't estimate
[01:54] <Peter> you guesstimate?
[01:54] <mdz> yes, there is something better than an estimate
[01:54] <mdz> there is a release date
[01:54] <jdub> we make it happen
[01:54] <Peter> wow
[01:54] <drspin> crimsun: xargs: unmatched single quote -- what does that mean??
[01:55] <mojo> peter: xorg works on my box but i can't honestly tell you that it works any different from a user p.o.v.
[01:55] <drspin> I tried retyping the line as many ways that I could think of...
[01:55] <blake> mdz
[01:55] <blake> nothing
[01:55] <blake> nothing happened
[01:55] <blake> i went to the menu
[01:55] <crimsun> drspin: did you type precisely what I typed?
[01:56] <crimsun> TimSNL: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:56] <snowblink> Peter: make sure your video card is supported under xorg
[01:56] <blake> and it just said recovery or safe mode
[01:56] <crimsun> err, sorry, LinuxJones already said so.
[01:56] <blake> or normal
[01:56] <drspin> crimsun: yes
[01:56] <mdz> blake: whaat?
[01:56] <Peter> snowblink: 9800pro
[01:56] <blake> no xp
[01:56] <Peter> should be
[01:56] <drspin> crimsun: copy and paste
[01:56] <blake> mdz it didnt work
[01:57] <mdz> blake: I assume you mean the live CD; which one?
[01:57] <blake> no
[01:57] <blake> u told me how to make it boot xp member?
[01:57] <mdz> no, I didn't
[01:57] <mdz> you must be confusing me with someone else
[01:57] <blake> yes u did
[01:57] <mz2> blake, just ignore mdz, he's being confusing :)
[01:57] <blake> oh mz
[01:57] <blake> nvm
[01:58] <hou5ton> hmmm ... i have a folder on cdrom that I want in /usr/share/sounds/, but it won't let me drag and drop because permissions are not right in that dir ...
[01:58] <blake> ok mz u are the one that helped me arent u?
[01:58] <hou5ton> so I went to root terminal, and did cp cdrom/Media usr/share/sounds/ ... but it's still not working?
[01:58] <drspin> hou5ton: use sudo
[01:58] <stackpopper> cp -r
[01:58] <hou5ton> in the root terminal?
[01:59] <foznot> anyone have time to help me with apache?
[01:59] <crimsun> drspin: you're using bash, correct?
[01:59] <drspin> sudo cp cdrom/media usr/share/sounds/
[01:59] <drspin> crimsun: yes
[01:59] <crimsun> drspin: the command works here...
[01:59] <drspin> ...
[01:59] <drspin> boo
[01:59] <drspin> cole@linux:~/Pictures $ find -name 'Thumbs.db' |xargs rm -f
[01:59] <drspin> xargs: unmatched single quote
[01:59] <rellik> on my machine, these two commands should be identical: "mount localhost:/shared test" and "mount r01ptsmf8.desktop.umr.edu:/shared test" but the first works while the second gives this error: "mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused"....  the entry in /etc/exports is "/shared *(rw,no_root_squash,async)"...  any ideas how to fix this?
[02:00] <drspin> crimsun: that period messing it up?
[02:00] <hou5ton> drspin: ok ... i guess I thought that if I went to the place where you open a root terminal, I figured it would not need sudo
[02:00] <crimsun> drspin: um, no, you didn't copy and paste.
[02:00] <bitfoo> HOHO
[02:00] <crimsun> drspin: you kinda forgot the directoryName
[02:00] <bitfoo> i try the new livecd now :DDD
[02:00] <drspin> hou5ton: a root teminal wouldn't need sudo
[02:00] <drspin> crimsun: LOL - assumed that if I was in that directory it would assume...
[02:00] <drspin> crimsun: my bad
[02:01] <randabis> are there any ubuntu packages (hoary) available for running a SOCKS5 server?
[02:01] <hou5ton> drspin: that's what I thought, but when I run that cp command i get this: cp: omitting directory `cdrom/Media/'
[02:01] <randabis> I see one for socks4 but not socks5
[02:01] <stackpopper> cp -r
[02:01] <Orbo> hi, I'm having some trouble booting xp
[02:02] <bitfoo> whats good audio software for linux :|
[02:02] <bitfoo> not to play but to make and author :|
[02:02] <hou5ton> stackpopper: thanks ... i'll try that
[02:02] <LinuxJones> bitfoo, for playing or editing ?
[02:02] <bitfoo> editing
[02:02] <bitfoo> like mixing a cd etc
[02:02] <stackpopper> audacity is one
[02:02] <LinuxJones> bitfoo, audacity is supposed to be quite good
[02:02] <bitfoo> ala propellorheads reason or so
[02:02] <Orbo> it audodetected in grub setup but now it says that its an unknown file system or something
[02:02] <bitfoo> i will check it out :D
[02:02] <crimsun> bitfoo: ardour is excellent, too.
[02:02] <bitfoo> k crim
[02:02] <stackpopper> yep that;s a killer
[02:02] <bitfoo> i'll check em both out thanks guys
[02:03] <drspin> crimsun: find ~/Pictures -name 'thumbs.db' | xargs rm -f
[02:03] <drspin> still doesn't work
[02:04] <drspin> no error messages but find |grep Thumbs.db still returns LOTS of files
[02:04] <crimsun> drspin: case sensitive.
[02:04] <drspin> haha still getting used to that
[02:04] <sladen> drspin: Thumbs.db != thumbs.db
[02:04] <hou5ton> stackpopper: and drspin: yep, ... that little -r made all the difference.   Cool...  Thanks a bunch
[02:05] <bitfoo> brb
[02:05] <bitfoo> livecd test :D
[02:05] <drspin> I think I have a folder with a ' in it...
[02:05] <foznot> i need to get apache with php4 running
[02:05] <Orbo> is anyone good with grub?
[02:05] <foznot> i did an apt-get install apache
[02:05] <foznot> what else do i do?
[02:05] <Orbo> problem solving wise?
[02:07] <Peter> is there a quick start guide or somthing for ubuntu?
[02:07] <Tuxicity> Peter, www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:08] <Tuxicity> Peter, www.ubuntu.com/support
[02:08] <foznot> any docs on installing apache for ubuntu?
[02:08] <Riddell> foznot: apt-get install apache
[02:09] <foznot> did that
[02:09] <farruinn> Peter: also the wiki is helpful
[02:10] <oneslice> so... apt-get install aapache didnt get you what you wanted?
[02:10] <foznot> actually
[02:10] <foznot> i don't know what i want
[02:10] <oneslice> :)
[02:10] <foznot> i need to run a server with php
[02:10] <foznot> so i figured apache
[02:10] <foznot> would work
[02:10] <socomm> Yo yo! Rhythmbox. I get resources not available for writting.
[02:10] <socomm> What's up with that?
[02:11] <oneslice> you figured right.... apache would serve your need
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> socomm: run 'esd'
[02:11] <foznot> i just need to know what to edit
[02:11] <foznot> or is it working?
[02:11] <crimsun> socomm: is esd running? (more precisely, is gstreamer configured to use esdsink, and if so, is esd running?)
[02:11] <foznot> don't i need to edit an apache2.conf file
[02:12] <socomm> crimsun: Yes, just changed it to oss. Seems to work now.
[02:12] <crimsun> socomm: so follow HrdwrBoB's suggestion: make sure esd is running.
[02:13] <^jaco> foznot whats'up pointing on http://localhost from your browser?
[02:13] <crimsun> socomm: if you're using esdsink. If you use osssink, this is moot.
[02:13] <socomm> crimsun: Yeah I just changed it via gstreamer-properties.
[02:13] <socomm> crimsun: Thanks anyhow.
[02:13] <foznot> connection was refuse
[02:13] <^jaco> foznot open a terminal and write sudo apachectl start
[02:14] <^jaco> and retry to point your browser on http://localhost
[02:14] <oneslice> fuznot.... have you tried /etc/init.d/apache.d start... or something to that effect?... there should be a start script for apache in init.d
[02:14] <oneslice> opps.... jaco had a better suggestion... apachectl start
[02:14] <^jaco> :)
[02:14] <socomm> foznot: Are you behind a router?
[02:15] <bitfoo> greetings
[02:15] <bitfoo> from 5.04 livecd land
[02:15] <bitfoo> :O
[02:15] <^jaco> hi bitfoo :)
[02:15] <bitfoo> :D
[02:15] <TimSNL> i installed "linux-headers-$(uname -r)" and it all worked without any errors.  Is there something else I have to do to get ABI working?
[02:15] <lavigj> hey guys, question. is there a way to install just a couple "unstable" packages, without switching to hoary?
[02:15] <bitfoo> can i assume if the livecd hoary works i can just upgrade to hoary :D
[02:15] <foznot> no,. i am not behind a router
[02:15] <socomm> oneslice: The Apache packge drops a script into /etc/init.d/ so you can control it via that script.
[02:16] <^jaco> bitfoo from hoary land it seems to works very fine
[02:16] <farruinn> lavigj: you can use apt pinning, but that's complicated and can have bad results, or you can get backports
[02:16] <socomm> foznot: Point your browser to http://127.0.0.1 does anything come up?
[02:16] <bitfoo> nice :D
[02:16] <crimsun> TimSNL: you don't need 'linux-headers-$(uname -r)' to use it. I suggested that as the fastest way for you to _check_ if it's supported.
[02:16] <^jaco> foznot have u done apachectl start
[02:16] <^jaco> ?
[02:16] <farruinn> lavigj: which packages do you want?
[02:16] <^jaco> foznot have u done sudo apachectl start
[02:16] <^jaco> ?
[02:16] <lavigj> farruinn: for one, it would be nice to run firefox 1.0.
[02:17] <TimSNL> crimsun: how does that show if it is supported?
[02:17] <foznot> jaco
[02:17] <lavigj> farruinn: I am just used to gentoo, where I could really easily have a couple unstable packages installed, but run a stable system for the rest.
[02:17] <foznot> yes
[02:17] <foznot> i did thta
[02:17] <foznot> no command
[02:17] <foznot> found
[02:17] <crimsun> TimSNL: did you look in personality.h for SCO?
[02:17] <lavigj> farruinn: I was just wondering if there was a way to do that with ubuntu
[02:17] <socomm> lavigj: Get the backport of firefox 1.0.
[02:17] <^jaco> foznot u have to install apache pkg with synapticsa
[02:17] <^jaco> foznot u have to install apache pkg with synaptics
[02:17] <farruinn> lavigj: that's available as a backport, add deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:17] <^jaco> u have'nt installed the pkg foznot
[02:18] <TimSNL> where is personality.h?
[02:18] <lavigj> socomm: is there good docs on backports? i haven't even heard of those.... or farruinn just answered some questions
[02:18] <foznot> i think i only did php
[02:18] <foznot> sorry for the mix up
[02:18] <^jaco> foznot form synaptycs install apache
[02:18] <socomm> lavigj: Read farruinn reply a few lines up.
[02:18] <oneslice> fuznot... try ... netstat -an | grep -i ':80'
[02:18] <^jaco> and after this intall php
[02:18] <^jaco> oneslice he hasn't installed apache
[02:18] <lavigj> socomm: farruinn: that's all that's needed?
[02:18] <oneslice> ah. my bad
[02:19] <farruinn> then do a 'sudo apt-get update'
[02:19] <foznot> thanks though oneslice
[02:19] <socomm> lavigj: Yes.
[02:19] <lavigj> farruinn: ah, yes. because that tells apt-get about the new sources and updates the lists for them, right?
[02:19] <Tuxicity> lavigj, then do "apt-get update"
[02:19] <socomm> lavigj: Use synaptic.
[02:19] <lavigj> socomm: I do
[02:20] <Tuxicity> lavigj, then press Reload button
[02:20] <socomm> Just update your stuff, then search for firefox 1.0 and install it.
[02:20] <foznot> so apache and apache-common are not the same thing?
[02:20] <socomm> foznot: No.
[02:21] <^jaco> foznot open a terminal and write dpkg -l apache
[02:21] <socomm> lavigj: http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[02:21] <^jaco> and put here the log
[02:21] <lavigj> Tuxicity: cool, thanks.
[02:21] <lavigj> socomm: farruinn, thanks for the tips
[02:21] <socomm> lavigj: Yea, good luck.
[02:21] <foznot> rob@syntax:~ $ dpkg -l apache
[02:22] <foznot> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[02:22] <foznot> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[02:22] <foznot> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[02:22] <foznot> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[02:22] <foznot> +++-[02:22] <foznot> un  apache         <none>         (no description available)
[02:22] <foznot> rob@syntax:~ $
[02:22] <^jaco>  apache         <none>
[02:22] <^jaco> u have to install apache...
[02:22] <foznot> it just finished dl'ing
[02:22] <lavigj> socomm: thanks. I am actually about to reinstall ubuntu because hoary made my system a bit broken. this is a relatively new install, so I don
[02:22] <foznot> via synaptic
[02:22] <^jaco> u can do it from synaptics
[02:22] <lavigj> 't
[02:22] <lavigj> socomm: mind
[02:22] <lavigj> socomm: but it si good to know about the backports
[02:22] <foznot> rob@syntax:~ $ dpkg -l apache
[02:22] <foznot> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[02:22] <foznot> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[02:22] <foznot> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)||/ Name           Version        Description
[02:22] <foznot> +++-[02:23] <foznot> rob@syntax:~ $
[02:23] <socomm> lavigj: You don't need to reisntall.
[02:23] <^jaco> ok now u have apache
[02:23] <oneslice> horay.. :)
[02:23] <socomm> You can just revert back to wary, I think.
[02:23] <^jaco> try to point your borowser to http://localhost
[02:23] <foznot> now that works
[02:23] <foznot> pulls up a parent folder
[02:23] <^jaco> ok, now u has to make some tuning for php stuff
[02:23] <foznot> oh crap
[02:24] <foznot> got the time to help?
[02:24] <lavigj> socomm: :: shrugs:: I would just as soon reinstall, needed or not. I can be sure it is clean, and get familiar with the installer and such again.
[02:24] <socomm> php == poo
[02:24] <^jaco> this channel is for ubuntu stuff
[02:24] <TimSNL> crimsun: where what is the path to personality.h ?
[02:24] <^jaco> u can ask to me in query
[02:24] <^jaco> or is better in apache channel
[02:24] <socomm> lavigj: Okay, good luck.
[02:24] <^jaco> or php channe
[02:24] <^jaco> or php channel
[02:24] <lavigj> socomm: thanks
[02:24] <mdz> foznot: why do you want to use apache 1.3 rather than apache2?
[02:24] <foznot> because that is what ubuntu gave me
[02:24] <foznot> no other reason than that
[02:25] <mdz> no, in fact ubuntu doesn't even let you see it by default
[02:25] <mdz> apache 1.3 is in universe
[02:25] <^jaco> mdz apache2 is not so stable for php like apache1.3 i think
[02:25] <socomm> foznot: Hoary no?
[02:25] <crimsun> TimSNL: (I stated above when you first asked. /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include/linux/personality.h)
[02:25] <foznot> warty
[02:25] <^jaco> a question for ubuntu team...why we can't have a PHP5 package?
[02:25] <Br34ch> So... uhm, being the nub that I am.. what exactly is .. GRUB? heh.. :x
[02:25] <oneslice> fuznot... http://www.cfdev.com/apache/apache2php.cfm
[02:25] <jdub> ^jaco: because it wasn't in debian before UVF, and no one's packaged it
[02:25] <oneslice> may be a good start
[02:26] <mdz> ^jaco: I have nothing against it; but no one has packaged it yet as far as i know
[02:26] <Tuxicity> Br34ch, the bootloader, it loads the kernel
[02:26] <Br34ch> Oh.. thanks
[02:26] <foznot> thanks all...off to php land
[02:26] <^jaco> i've understood.... now i must study how to a package :)
[02:26] <TimSNL> crimsun: sorry i am not good at reading these chats fast
[02:26] <^jaco> damned linux :)
[02:27] <^jaco> where is an how-to?
[02:27] <dholbach> hai
[02:28] <dholbach> could anyone tell me if they (on hoary) have a process  evolution-data-server-1.2  running?
[02:28] <Grendel|> could anyone take the time to help me with a problem involving new hardware?
[02:28] <^jaco> mdz where is an howto about to make an ubuntu package?
[02:29] <crimsun> ^jaco: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[02:29] <^jaco> tnx crimsun
[02:29] <TimSNL> crimsun: i have found the file .... what am i looking for here?
[02:30] <crimsun> TimSNL: verify that it supports SCO binaries.
[02:30] <^jaco> i want try to make a PHP5 package
[02:30] <tritium> I wonder if it's possible to install Windows with qemu from the Dell System restore CD for my laptop (for which I have a license)
[02:30] <^jaco> ok, i go to sleep now
[02:31] <^jaco> bye
[02:31] <^jaco> have  a great night
[02:31] <^jaco> :)
[02:33] <FR500> hello
[02:33] <FR500> how can i make my usb flash to mount automatically upon connection_
[02:33] <FR500> i can mount it manually just fine, bit i like that
[02:36] <dholbach> FR500: look at desktop -> preferences (just have the german translation, so i dont know exactly)
[02:36] <FR500> you mean removable storage_
[02:36] <FR500> ?
[02:37] <tritium> that's it
[02:37] <FR500> it-s activated
[02:37] <tritium> FR500, the first 3 check-boxes are checked?
[02:37] <FR500> yes
[02:37] <tritium> under "Removable Storage"?
[02:37] <FR500> yes
[02:38] <tritium> can you see the device in the Device Manager
[02:38] <tritium> ?
[02:38] <FR500> yes
[02:38] <FR500> i can mount with mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/folder_name
[02:39] <tritium> hrm...
[02:39] <Grendel|> help with nForce2 sound installation anyone
[02:40] <FR500> tritium, any clues?
[02:40] <nightgoat> Grendel|, what kind of help do you need?
[02:40] <tritium> FR500, no, not really...
[02:40] <FR500> i get a lot serial8250: too much work for irq11
[02:40] <FR500>  errors
[02:41] <FR500> could that be it?
[02:41] <Grendel|> nightgoat: I can't get it to work, used the dl from nvidia
[02:41] <tritium> i suppose it might be related
[02:42] <Grendel|> but how do I get the system to recognize the module? and how to get it to load automaticaly?
[02:42] <nightgoat> Grendel|, I don't recall ever installing that; you can get sound working without those drivers. In fact, I was about to install them myself until I saw that you needed to have kernel sources to do it.
[02:42] <FR500> modprobe
[02:43] <FR500> you can get it to load on demand?
[02:43] <jpedrosa> how can I have a CDRW blank? What's the proper (gui) command? :P
[02:43] <nightgoat> Grendel|, you have no sound at all now?
[02:43] <Grendel|> nightgoat: I didn't have the hw enabled in BIOS upon install though
[02:43] <drspin> is it possible to see how fast my cd is being written in nautilus-burn?
[02:43] <scoon> anyone here having problems w/ gdesklets + hoary using newar 100% cpu times
[02:43] <Grendel|> nightgoat: nope
[02:43] <Grendel|> nothing
[02:43] <jdub> drspin: does your cd burner have a little window?
[02:43] <nightgoat> hmm
[02:43] <drspin> jdub: LOL
[02:44] <Grendel|> even tested the mic connection (can't see back there)
[02:44] <FR500> if i mount manually, is there a way to make it appear on desktop like with cds?
[02:44] <nightgoat> Grendel|, do lspci | grep audio
[02:44] <nightgoat> what do you get back?
[02:44] <Grendel|> 2 sec
[02:44] <drspin> perhaps I wish to know the speed at which the data is being copied to the CD
[02:44] <Grendel|> grendel@grndltux:~ $ lspci | grep audio
[02:44] <Grendel|> 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1)
[02:45] <bitfoo> is livecd hoary farther along in development than install :O
[02:45] <nightgoat> Grendel|, that's better than mine goes, I get 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00ea (rev a1)
[02:45] <jdub> drspin: don't you get the progress bar?
[02:45] <Grendel|> heh
[02:45] <nightgoat> Grendel|, you might want to install a fresh kernel
[02:46] <nightgoat> it might detect the kernel OK from there
[02:46] <Grendel|> hmm
[02:46] <nightgoat> Grendel|, that's about all I've got for ideas, it detected my onboard card OK
[02:47] <nightgoat> Grendel|, I was having trouble getting Quake3 to play sound, I installed alsa-oss and that helped, maybe you should install it as well.
[02:47] <dholbach> Grendel|: does   cat /dev/sndstat   say something?
[02:47] <Grendel|> okay...
[02:47] <Grendel|> my error people
[02:48] <Grendel|> I hadn't checked the volume controls
[02:48] <Grendel|> not used to them being set to nill
[02:48] <Grendel|> =P
[02:48] <Grendel|> *slaps myself*
[02:48] <Sav> Anyone used BlueFish? how do i add an ftp so i can brows its files and create/edit/ files directly.
[02:48] <nightgoat> Grendel|, d'oh!
[02:48] <Grendel|> no shit =P
[02:49] <Orbo> hi, does anyone else use the electric sheep screensaver?
[02:49] <nightgoat> Orbo: yes, i do
[02:49] <Orbo> im just not sure how it works exactly, what do I use as the server?
[02:49] <Orbo> in settings
[02:50] <nightgoat> Orbo, I think you just leave it alone, let me check what I have
[02:50] <Grendel|> nightgoat: maybe you can help me with another thing then
[02:50] <Grendel|> I'm also trying to reach files on a win2k3 server (using login/pass)
[02:51] <nightgoat> Orbo, do you mean where xscreensaver asks for the URL? That's completely optional.
[02:51] <Orbo> oh okay
[02:51] <Orbo> so I just leave it alone?
[02:51] <nightgoat> Grendel|, no idea, this computer is meant to replace windows for me :)
[02:51] <Grendel|> heh
[02:51] <Grendel|> For me it's a learn linux thing
[02:51] <nightgoat> Orbo, yes, you'd put your own web page's URL in there if you want
[02:52] <Grendel|> brb *emptying ashtray*
[02:54] <nightgoat> Orbo, one thing that was really annoying me when I first started using electric sheep is that it took two days to start showing interesting stuff as a screensaver. It takes a while, don't get discouraged.
[02:55] <jpedrosa> guys, in warty I could blank a CDRW prior to writing to it. is hoary any different about it? :P
[02:55] <nightgoat> I guess the rendering process plays nice with the other processes instead of going full-bore.
[02:55] <Orbo> nightgoat: alright, how long does downloading usually take until it initializes my connection usually tops out at 100Kbps
[02:56] <nightgoat> I don't think the downloading is the extended part, I think it's the rendering of the movies
[02:56] <Orbo> ah
[02:57] <Iceman3301> Has anyone had any luck installing k3b on Ubuntu for PPC?
[02:58] <mstefanus> anyone here wants to hear a story?
[03:00] <farruinn> Iceman3301: haven't tried, but since it's a kde app you probably have to build it from source
[03:01] <jpedrosa> where is the cdrom device? :P /dev/cdrom does not find anything. (Hoary)
[03:01] <Riddell> farruinn: all KDE apps are available for all platforms
[03:01] <Riddell> Iceman3301: what's the problem
[03:01] <farruinn> Riddell: not as binary
[03:01] <Riddell> farruinn: yes they are
[03:03] <farruinn> ah, you're right, but that hasn't always been true
[03:04] <jdub> farruinn: eh?
[03:04] <tritium> wow, I have mozilla-firefox running over a "ssh -X" session, and clicking on my local machine's firefox icon opens a new window for the remote client
[03:05] <rellik> has anyone here gotten NFS to work?
[03:06] <farruinn> jdub: perhaps I was confused, but I remember trying to install rosegarden4 but couldn't because I couldn't get a binary
[03:06] <rellik> (under ubuntu)
[03:06] <farruinn> jdub: I can't remember the exact error I got from apt, but I think that it was found but there was no available candidate
[03:06] <farruinn> or something like that
[03:07] <jdub> farruinn: that's just packages not building
[03:07] <jdub> definitely not true for everything, or kde in total
[03:10] <Iceman3301> Riddell:  Sorry for the delay
[03:10] <Iceman3301> Riddell:  I can't seem to install kde-devel
[03:11] <mstefanus> I want to report a bug, but I'm not sure it's a bug... can anyone help me?
[03:11] <HrdwrBoB> what is it
[03:12] <Iceman3301> I get a bunch of depends...but it says they are not installable
[03:13] <Riddell> Iceman3301: k3b doesn't depend on kde-devel, what is the exact message given when you apt-get install k3b
[03:13] <Quest-Master> jdub, I am very disappointed that wxPython couldn't be backported
[03:13] <Quest-Master> :(
[03:13] <Quest-Master> Too bad
[03:14] <Iceman3301> Riddell: Let me give it another try and let you know here in a second....  I thought it was looking for kde-devel the last time I tried....
[03:14] <mstefanus> well I was helping a friend to migrate from win 98 to xp. I booted up ubuntu, opened his folders and copied his files to my ftp server using gnome's ftp client. Data from 3 separate partitions are corrupted. I dont know where the fault is....
[03:15] <jdub> Quest-Master: ?
[03:16] <Quest-Master> jdub: Just sad that you weren't able to backport wxPython
[03:16] <jdub> Quest-Master: i still don't understand what you're talking about? backport?
[03:16] <farruinn> Quest-Master: I don't think that the ubuntu team does the backports... unless jdong is on the ubuntu team
[03:16] <Quest-Master> jdub: Oh man.
[03:16] <Quest-Master> jdub: I'm talking to the wrong person. XD
[03:16] <jdub> we do not encourage or recommend or endorse any backports whatsoever
[03:17] <Quest-Master> jdub: I thought you were jdong
[03:17] <jdub> i see.
[03:17] <Quest-Master> jdub: There are so many "j"s in the Ubuntu community
[03:17] <Quest-Master> jdodson
[03:17] <Quest-Master> jdong
[03:17] <Quest-Master> jdub
[03:17] <Quest-Master> I get them all confused and mixed up at one point or another
[03:17] <Quest-Master> I'm sorry, lol
[03:18] <mstefanus> anyone? A clue?
[03:18] <Iceman3301> Riddell:  The first error I get is that there is no kde-config installed (I am compiling k3b from source)
[03:18] <bitfoo> yo
[03:18] <Riddell> Iceman3301: why not just apt-get install k3b
[03:18] <bitfoo> to upgrade to hoary do you do apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade
[03:18] <bitfoo> :O
[03:19] <Iceman3301> I am running Ubuntu on PPC
[03:19] <farruinn> Riddell: because, like I said, it's not avaible as binary
[03:19] <Riddell> farruinn: yes it is
[03:19] <bitfoo> :|
[03:19] <farruinn> is warty?
[03:19] <farruinn> in*
[03:19] <bitfoo> upgrade or dist-upgrade :|
[03:19] <duelike> Hi All
[03:19] <Quest-Master> Ok
[03:19] <duelike> how are you?
[03:19] <Quest-Master> I have a bug to report
[03:20] <Quest-Master> Why does the wxWidgets in Ubuntu Warty use GTK1?
[03:20] <duelike> May God bless you all
[03:20] <Iceman3301> Riddell:  I am running Ubuntu for PPC (Mac) and apt-get doesn't find k3b, even from the Universal source
[03:20] <Quest-Master> The wx developers say when building wxWidgets, it can be configured to use either GTK1 or GTK2
[03:20] <Quest-Master> Whoever maintains the package for wxWidgets must've messed up
[03:20] <rellik> how do I file a bug report?
[03:20] <duelike> I have a problem using ubuntu. I need to connect my computer to a windows SMB printer
[03:20] <Quest-Master> Since they configured wx for GTK1 instead of 2
[03:21] <farruinn> rellik: at bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:21] <duelike> The host of printer is 192.168.30.17 and the shared printer is HP
[03:21] <farruinn> Riddell: are you on ppc?  Because if you are and you're getting k3b and such as binary I would like to know what's in your sources.list
[03:21] <duelike> I have set it up on add new printer, but I can not print to the printer
[03:21] <duelike> Any body can help me, please?
[03:22] <rellik> is there some way to find out who the maintainer of a package is? (email addr)
[03:22] <farruinn> rellik: apt-cache show [package] 
[03:25] <scoon> duelike, is the printer stand alone or are you sharing it through a winblows box ?
[03:27] <Riddell> Iceman3301: you're right, it's not there for warty.  either use the hoary version or apt-get install kdelibs-bin for kde-config
[03:27] <duelike> scoon : the printer is attached on a win98 machine with IP number 192.168.30.17, shared with the name HP
[03:29] <Iceman3301> Riddell:  How do I add the hoary versions to my apt-get sources?
[03:30] <Riddell> Iceman3301: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change warty to hoary then  apt-get update
[03:30] <scoon> duelike, have you looked over this: http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html
[03:30] <kbrooks_> and apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:31] <stew2> How do I deny access from outside the local subnet in Apache2?
[03:31] <stew2> I'm running hoary
[03:34] <stew2> Hello?
[03:34] <Iceman3301> stew2:  I wish I had an answer for you buy I am new to linux too
[03:35] <stew2> Huh. Yeah. I've looked in the docs everywhere. Can't find it.
[03:35] <farruinn> Iceman3301: if you run apt-get dist-upgrade you will of course be upgrading from warty to hoary...
[03:35] <stew2> These programmers make things so complicated.
[03:35] <Br34ch> I'd like to know of that answer too.. :s
[03:36] <stew2> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_access.html
[03:36] <Iceman3301> farruinn:  I have dont the upgrade, but it was only looking at warty packages
[03:36] <stew2> Doesn't tell me squat. I'd like some directions in english.
[03:36] <Iceman3301> farruinn:  I then changed all instances of warty to hoary in the config file
[03:36] <stew2> Occasionally this stuff is written in a concept of how people think. Mostly, though, not.
[03:36] <Iceman3301> farruinn:  that seemed to work...  is that the correct process?
[03:36] <stew2> Iceman I upgraded to hoary. Works great.
[03:36] <bitfoo> dudes :|
[03:36] <Iceman3301> Riddell:  BTW, there was a hoary package for k3b
[03:37] <farruinn> Iceman3301: yes, that will allow you to upgrade to hoary
[03:37] <bitfoo> i went to hoary and can't start x :(
[03:37] <Riddell> Iceman3301: I know, I made it
[03:37] <Iceman3301> Riddell:  Thank you so much for the help!Q
[03:37] <bitfoo> so i have to use this wierd bitchx :|
[03:37] <Iceman3301> farruinn:  Thank you so much for your help too!  People have been really great in this channel.
[03:38] <bitfoo> anyone know where/how to configure x.org :|
[03:38] <bitfoo> or the package name of the x.org ati drivers are?
[03:38] <bitfoo> cuz they aren't fglrx i think
[03:38] <Iceman3301> The only problem I have now is making the backlit beyboard on my PowerBook work with pbbuttons...  I am missing i2c-dev and i2c-keywest (I think that is the problem).  Maybe upgrading to hoary will help.
[03:38] <jdub> Iceman3301: use the keybindings in gnome instead
[03:39] <Iceman3301> jdub: keybindings will do backlit keyboard?
[03:39] <bitfoo> i guess i am to assume ati is not supported in hoary :|
[03:39] <kbrooks_> bitfoo, could be
[03:40] <lifeless> bitfoo: ati is supported, both with and without fglrx drivers
[03:40] <bitfoo> then maybe x.org can't make the switch from the xfree86-4 config?
[03:40] <kbrooks_> bitfoo, try the restructed / multiverse reositories instead
[03:40] <bitfoo> dude im in straight console there is no x and i have the multiverse repos already :|
[03:41] <kbrooks_> did you apt the driver up
[03:41] <bitfoo> no i did not :O
[03:42] <bitfoo> i apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:42] <bitfoo> i assumed that upgraded everything
[03:42] <bitfoo> anyway, whats the command to configure x server using x.org instead of xfree86 :|
[03:43] <bitfoo> i thought there was some ncurses menu or something :|
[03:43] <Iceman3301> bitfoo:  apt-get update will update the list of packages and then apt-get upgrade will install the updated packages
[03:43] <bitfoo> i know
[03:43] <bitfoo> i did all that :|
[03:43] <farruinn> bitfoo: I think it's 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[03:43] <bitfoo> the configs aren't transfering over i think is the problem
[03:44] <farruinn> bitfoo, maybe move /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to Xorg
[03:44] <farruinn> or whatever the config file is supposed to be called
[03:44] <bitfoo> hmm
[03:44] <bitfoo> i'll look into that too
[03:44] <bitfoo> well thanks farruinn gonna try it now :O
[03:45] <farruinn> I would try renaming the config file before dpkg-reconfigure
[03:45] <ephic> lol.
[03:45] <ephic> bitfoo, whats the problem now?
[03:45] <ephic> ubuntu is niiiiiice
[03:45] <ephic> damn, its nice
[03:45] <meskes> Horay is nice.
[03:45] <ephic> horay?
[03:45] <meskes> ephic: their version of Sid.
[03:46] <ephic> ah i see
[03:46] <farruinn> it's hoary btw
[03:46] <meskes> bah.
[03:46] <meskes> Semantics. :p
[03:46] <farruinn> =)
[03:47] <meskes> So, I have one typeo.... :p
[03:47] <meskes> That reminds me, I have to kinda see if theres any updates for my server.
[03:48] <EvolutionR> anyone here using bridgemode dsl modem PPPoE to connect to internet? Mssg me!
[03:48] <meskes> EvolutionR: no.
[03:48] <meskes> EvolutionR: You want help, you get it in the channel. thats the whole point of the channel.
[03:48] <Guardiann> good evening
[03:50] <meskes> Guardiann: How goes?
[03:50] <EvolutionR> I connect through rp pppoe using ./go-gui mode. I enter all the information, and connected. But when I ipconfig, I saw some errors ppp0 "RX packets:5 errors:9 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0! Then try so surf internet it cannot ! Wonder what's went wrong?
[03:51] <bitfoo> yeah :|
[03:51] <bitfoo> i had to chang xorg.conf, had to change "fglrx" to "ati"
[03:51] <bitfoo> so i guess fglrx doesnt work :O
[03:52] <EvolutionR> meskes is there any Gnome > Networking > DSL connection?
[03:52] <meskes> EvolutionR: sure there is.
[03:53] <meskes> EvolutionR: Look in the networking manager in "Desktop"
[03:53] <ephic> how do i check my vid card?
[03:53] <EvolutionR> meskes: but on my Gnome 2.8 I doesnt list the PPPoE. I only have ppp, Eth, ...
[03:54] <Guardiann> goes well thanks and you
[03:54] <meskes> EvolutionR: Im going to pretty blunt with you. I know NOTHING about PPoE. I have had cable and DSL that both use something sane like TCP/IP
[03:54] <meskes> Guardiann: not too bad. Same ol same ol.
[03:54] <Guardiann> yeah same here :)
[03:55] <EvolutionR> meskes: I have DSL but cant surf internet using PPPoE. How u use the TCP/IP to connect to internet?
[03:55] <cafuego> cafuego@cachaca:~$ evolution -> Floating point exception
[03:55] <Guardiann> EvolutionR easiest way to get you mdoem working is to get a router for it
[03:55] <EvolutionR> Guardian: mine is Aztech 305E built in router I guess!
[03:55] <Guardiann> built into what
[03:55] <tritium> wow, more and more old debian people in here all the time
[03:56] <EvolutionR> built in router modem
[03:56] <bitfoo> lawlz :|
[03:56] <bitfoo> roflcopter :|
[03:56] <meskes> tritium: I started out with CorelLinux! :p
[03:56] <Guardiann> hmmm'
[03:56] <tritium> meskes, I haven't seen cafuego since my #debian days
[03:57] <cafuego> tritium: only plonked ubuntu on the amd64 coz Alioth was flaky.
[03:57] <cafuego> tritium: All the other machines still run Debian
[03:57] <meskes> tritium: bah to #debian. They are more arrogant than I am.
[03:57] <tjs> gday, just trying to get my netgear wg511t wireless card going, it uses the atheros chipset supported by the madwifi drivers. the wiki http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards  indicates that the ath_pci and ath_hal modules are supported 'out of the box' but I dont seem to have them
[03:57] <tritium> cafuego, cool - and good to see you
[03:57] <meskes> tritium: and yes, my server runs Sarge. ;)
[03:58] <EvolutionR> I wonder why is hard for me to connect to the internet? Used the rp pppoe successfully connected, but still cant surf internet. While I use other distro it is quite easily for me to connect to internet unlike the Ubuntu!
[03:58] <meskes> EvolutionR: you sure you have your DNS working right?
[03:58] <meskes> EvolutionR: man resolv.conf
[03:59] <EvolutionR> meskes: after I conneted thru rp pppoe, the resolvconf listed the two DNSs.
[03:59] <EvolutionR> Which is the ISP dns
[03:59] <meskes> can you ping anything?
[04:00] <EvolutionR> meskes: wait
[04:00] <EvolutionR> nop
[04:00] <EvolutionR> it stuck there
[04:00] <EvolutionR> nothing really happen
[04:01] <meskes> Well, like I said, I dont know anything about PPPoE
[04:02] <EvolutionR> how bout tcp/ip can u guide me thru?
[04:02] <tjs> is there an ubuntu kernel that privides ath_pci et al?
[04:02] <tritium> meskes, Sarge?  is that released yet? ;)
[04:03] <meskes> tritium: Sometime at the end of Feburary they're thinking now.
[04:03] <cafuego> tritium: Not yet, but soon.
[04:03] <tritium> cafuego, :)
[04:03] <cafuego> tritium: (soonER)
[04:04] <meskes> cafuego: I am right about the approx date though, correct?
[04:04] <tritium> meskes, cafuego - okay, I believe you!
[04:04] <meskes> thats what I hear along the rumor mill, anyway.
[04:04] <cafuego> meskes: No idea what date they're aiming for these days
[04:04] <cafuego> Whee, cpufreq works now :-)
[04:05] <meskes> cafuego: Personally, Im starting to think they're like GNU/Hurd. It will be coming... someday.
[04:05] <zzyzxrd> I love the idea of pressed cds, I often get burned cds and they end up not working after a couple months.
[04:06] <tritium> I remeber when they were debating about Gnome 2.6 making it into Sarge
[04:06] <cafuego> meskes: Oh no... it'll come. Same happened with Woody.
[04:06] <meskes> EvolutionR: If you dont know what you are doing, I would a) STFW or b) have someone who knows what they are doing, set it up for you and pay them.
[04:07] <cafuego> Pff, scales down to half cpu speed and is 5% in use.
[04:07] <cafuego> ... when I move the mouse. 0% otherwise
[04:07] <tritium> cafuego, you're not using powernowd?
[04:08] <meskes> Im going to eat.
[04:10] <scruch> hi
[04:10] <stuNNed> hi scruch
[04:10] <scruch> i have a lot problem when there is the partion utility, i am not able to create fylesystem he say .. also if i use other tools ..
[04:11] <rellik> scruch could you be a little more specific?
[04:11] <scruch> yes
[04:12] <scruch> He say me : "Creation of filesystem failed"
[04:12] <scruch> there is no way
[04:12] <scruch> that i can
[04:12] <scruch> bypass that
[04:12] <rellik> which program are you using for this?
[04:13] <scruch> ubuntu installer
[04:13] <rellik> oooooh :)
[04:13] <scruch> :/
[04:14] <rellik> are you partitioning manually or doing the automatic one?
[04:14] <scruch> manually
[04:14] <scruch> because in hda1 i have a important win partition
[04:14] <wastrel> scruch: do you have empty partition for linux?
[04:14] <scruch> i have try like 20 times with different setting .. but.. nothing
[04:14] <wastrel> scruch: or do you need to shrink windows first?
[04:14] <cafuego> tritium: I am now.
[04:14] <scruch> wastrel oh sure i have al tried to do th partion before ubuntu
[04:15] <scruch> but ubuntu say you have problem! do the partion .. and then the error
[04:15] <tritium> cafuego, ah, ok
[04:15] <cafuego> scruch: Normally filesystem creation fails if the disk is broken.
[04:15] <scruch> he have 27 gb i say him , "i let you handle my free space like you want" and he give me error!
[04:15] <scruch> cafuego the disk is PERFECT
[04:16] <djtansey> my evolution in hoary won't start (crashes.) any guesses/suggestions?
[04:16] <cafuego> scruch: What does the log on alt-F3 -F5 have to say about that?
[04:16] <cafuego> djtansey: Same problem here. Downgrade.
[04:16] <scruch> wiat
[04:16] <scruch> they say :
[04:16] <scruch> No mathing physical volumes found
[04:17] <scruch> no volume groups found readin all phisical volume ..
[04:17] <djtansey> cafuego: the evolution package or the server package? what is the easiest way to downgrade?
[04:17] <wastrel> scruch: you have second partition or you have free space in windows partition?
[04:17] <scruch> ./sbin/tune2fs no soulch file or dir
[04:17] <ephic> ok how do you set root's pwd after fresh install?
[04:17] <cafuego> djtansey: I'll let you know when I finish downgrading it ;-)
[04:17] <scruch> wasabi 2 partion
[04:17] <cafuego> ephic: sudo bash; passwd
[04:17] <scruch> wastrel 2 partition
[04:17] <pvh> djtansey: Evolution is really unstable in Hoary rihgt now
[04:17] <cafuego> ephic: Ideally just use sudo.
[04:17] <ephic> ah ok thanks ;)
[04:17] <ephic> knew that part lol
[04:17] <ephic> thanks
[04:18] <scruch> he say also : Could not fin valid fylesystem superblock
[04:18] <tritium> glad you've joined us, cafuego.  Good night all.
[04:18] <scruch> what can i do ?
[04:18] <cafuego> scruch: Hmm.
[04:18] <scruch> he say also "The device apparently does not exis , did you specify correctly?"
[04:19] <scruch> what can i do  ? =) ihi
[04:19] <cafuego> djtansey: Does yours fail with 'Floating Point Exception' ?
[04:19] <djtansey> pvh: that's good to know. do you know why?
[04:20] <peera> help me please i can't use usb modem on ubuntu
[04:20] <ivar> q: trying to install warty on a system with ultra2wide scsi drives, but the installer can't find the HD. any clues ?
[04:20] <djtansey> cafuego: has a bunch of "loading group items" and then the types. then just says "evolution has crashed." haven't done it with any options passed.
[04:21] <scruch> he say also:
[04:21] <scruch> user.notece hotplug-misc got unsupported event type "block"
[04:21] <scruch> what can i do ? i'b just a little baby
[04:22] <corey_> my ubuntu resolves hostnames REALLLLY slowly
[04:22] <corey_> dunno why
[04:22] <corey_> doesn't do this in windows
[04:23] <corey_> but once it resolves the site it runs fast browsing wise
[04:23] <corey_> anybody help ?
[04:23] <wastrel> h8n teh doze
[04:23] <wastrel> corey_: supposably it has to do with IPv6
[04:23] <corey_> so how do i go about fixing it ?
[04:24] <cafuego> djtansey: Ok. Mine never even gets that far. I just downgraded to: libebook1.2-3 1.1.3-0ubuntu9, libcamel1.2-1 1.1.3-0ubuntu9, evolution-data-server 1.1.3-0ubuntu9, evolution 2.1.3.2-0ubuntu3. And now it works OK.
[04:24] <wastrel> corey_: http://ubuntuguide.org/#disableipv6-mozilla
[04:24] <corey_> thanks ill check i tout
[04:24] <corey_> gotta take 5 mins to resolve ubuntuguide.org though first
[04:25] <wastrel> heh
[04:25] <corey_> another question (sorry im new) what is the default root password, i dont remember setting one when I installed
[04:25] <corey_> to get into the network setup etc
[04:26] <djtansey> cafuego: cool. thanks
[04:26] <djtansey> cafuego: what is the easiest way to downgrade? apt-get install package=version?
[04:27] <cafuego> djtansey: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/(set of debs)
[04:28] <corey_> wow that was stupid
[04:28] <corey_> accidently closed xchat
[04:28] <corey_> did i miss anything
[04:28] <cafuego> corey_: yes.
[04:28] <corey_> :O
[04:28] <cafuego> Two joins and a dpkg -i line.
[04:28] <wastrel> corey_: there's no root password by default.
[04:28] <wastrel> corey_: ubuntu encourages the use of sudo
[04:29] <cafuego> s/encourage/enforce/ :-)
[04:29] <wastrel> corey_: sudo passwd root  if you want :] 
[04:29] <wastrel> otherwise sudo bash for a root shell
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> sudo -s for shell
[04:29] <farruinn> is there a difference between sudo bash and sudo -s -H?
[04:29] <Abe> speaking of sudo, how do you append your PATH to sudo
[04:29] <stuNNed> -H for home?
[04:29] <corey_> thanks, but what would i put when being asked for root password in the shell
[04:30] <Iceman3301> Abe:  I have the same question
[04:30] <cafuego> corey_: Nothing, there isn't one. Yiou can run stuff with 'su -' by default.
[04:30] <wastrel> mmm sudo -s whaddayano
[04:30] <corey_> like clicking configure in network tools
[04:30] <cafuego> corey_: That would normally ask for *your* password.
[04:31] <Iceman3301> It seems that when I run a command with sudo, it doesn't use my default path
[04:31] <farruinn> stuNNed: something like that, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:31] <cafuego> Iceman3301: Correct.
[04:31] <stuNNed> farruinn: thanks
[04:31] <Abe> I believe the by default sudo is complied w/ SECURE_PATH enabled
[04:32] <corey_> the password you entered is invalid
[04:32] <corey_> with mine
[04:32] <Iceman3301> cafuego:  Do you know how I can change that?
[04:32] <djtansey> cafuego: feel like sending that evolution package my way? it is no longer in the pool for i386. djtansey at gmail
[04:32] <wastrel> i heard someone else with this network tools prob
[04:32] <djtansey> cafuego: and i don't have it in archives
[04:33] <wastrel> a while ago...  i think they made a root pw and that worked
[04:33] <cafuego> djtansey: Mine won't work for you, it's amd64
[04:33] <Roman|Home> Has anyone installed VMWare Workstation on Ubuntu?
[04:33] <djtansey> cafuego: that is in the pool :)
[04:33] <corey_> wastrel, can i do the same ?
[04:33] <wastrel> sure, i did
[04:33] <wastrel> i like having a root passwd :] 
[04:33] <cafuego> djtansey: let me check the crufty laptop
[04:33] <corey_> just make a user root ?
[04:33] <wastrel> no the user exists
[04:34] <wastrel> just sudo passwd root
[04:34] <djtansey> cafuego: thanks
[04:34] <djtansey> cafuego: i'm running out of battery. if i run out i'll be back in a few minutes.
[04:34] <cafuego> djtansey: That's ok, it will take a while too bot (it's REALLY crufty)
[04:35] <corey_> wastres thanks
[04:35] <corey_> works
[04:35] <djtansey> cafuego: why would it have evolution 2.1.3 then? it was only released jan 17
[04:35] <corey_> wastrel*
[04:35] <hams> is there a way to know what version of python the "python" package installs?
[04:35] <cafuego> djtansey: I may have installed it in between then and now.
[04:35] <cafuego> djtansey: it's just an OLD laptop
[04:36] <farruinn> hams: in warty it depends on python2.3
[04:37] <qcompson> anyone else have a problem with windows over-maximizing in hoary while using xcompmgr?
[04:38] <corey_> does firefox 1.0 work with ubuntuy
[04:38] <corey_> ubuntu
[04:38] <corey_> i ran the upgrader thing and it downgraded to
[04:38] <corey_> 0.9.3
[04:39] <cafuego> corey_: ii  mozilla-firefo 1.0+dfsg.1-2ub lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
[04:39] <djtansey> cafuego: might have found something that works. a mirror that hasn't updated in a while
[04:40] <farruinn> corey_: this is what I've heard: at first warty had firefox pr1.0 but it was too buggy so they reverted to 0.9.3
[04:40] <corey_> i see
[04:42] <ephic> anyone had any problems with java in firefox?
[04:42] <stuNNed> ephic: if using sun's 1.5 nope works fine
[04:43] <djtansey> cafuego: yeah! yay for old mirrors!
[04:43] <ephic> erm ya
[04:43] <ephic> see what i did..
[04:43] <ephic> was unpack the rpm..
[04:43] <cafuego> djtansey: Good, coz it's not on this box.
[04:43] <cafuego> ephic: Yeah, no amd64 plugin.
[04:43] <ephic> installed the link to the plugin in the mozilla plugins folder..
[04:43] <ephic> nah im on i386
[04:43] <cafuego> poor bugger
[04:44] <ephic> lol.
[04:44] <froust> does anyone know if there's anything in the works for flash in amd64?
[04:44] <stuNNed> ephic: um, there is howto for it at ubuntuguide, see topic
[04:44] <ephic> ah ok
[04:44] <ephic> got the guide lol
[04:44] <ephic> let me check it out
[04:44] <farruinn> ephic: fyi, stay away from rpm's if at all possible
[04:44] <farruinn> apt is a beautiful thing =)
[04:45] <ephic> ya ya i know
[04:45] <ephic> lol
[04:45] <corey_> this resoltuion time is the only thing thats pissing me off
[04:45] <cafuego> froust: I doubt it. Macromedia are a pack of morons that way.
[04:45] <hams> has anyone installed gDesklets 0.33.1 ?
[04:45] <corey_> i disabled IPv6
[04:45] <ephic> im gonna go ahead and get the manual extraction file
[04:45] <corey_> in firefox
[04:45] <cafuego> froust: They're had YEARS to come up with something for PPC and haven't managed.
[04:46] <snowblink> how do I set thunderbird to wrap messages at a certain width?
[04:46] <bitfoo> yo i upgraded to hoary :)
[04:46] <snowblink> when reading
[04:46] <bitfoo> but my mp3s dont work now :(
[04:46] <corey_> ubuntu doens't come with XMMMS :O
[04:46] <cafuego> corey_: SO does
[04:46] <bitfoo> xmms is the nice :)
[04:46] <cafuego> Especially nice with Totem crashing now.
[04:47] <bitfoo> yo so like, how do i reinstall all these codecs and shit :|
[04:47] <corey_> i guess i missed it ?
[04:47] <corey_> oh it doens't install the package default
[04:48] <hams> does anyone know what package 'pygtk' is in apt-get, when i search i get like 5 hits that all seem different
[04:48] <cafuego> bitfoo: apt-get install w32codecs
[04:48] <cafuego> ymmv on non-x86
[04:50] <wastrel> hams: python2.3-gtk2  looks likely
[04:50] <wastrel> hams: but what do i know...
[04:50] <bitfoo> i wonder if there is an apt-get reinstall :O
[04:51] <cafuego> apt-get install --reinstall foo
[04:51] <cafuego> If that fails, try 'apt-get moo'
[04:51] <bitfoo> MOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[04:52] <wastrel> mplayerplug-in
[04:52] <cafuego> Actually. is there a way to play DVDs on Ubuntu AMD64?
[04:53] <bitfoo> god wtf :|
[04:53] <bitfoo> ever since i went to hoary my xmms dont work :|
[04:53] <cafuego> bitfoo: Did you upgrade for an particular reason?
[04:53] <bitfoo> i wanted to :|
[04:53] <bitfoo> i thought applications were independent though :/
[04:54] <cafuego> Well, that was silly, wasn't it?
[04:54] <bitfoo> silly?
[04:54] <bitfoo> its fucking silly that it doesnt work
[04:54] <bitfoo> the lack of standards is god damn appalling
[04:54] <cafuego> Upgrading to something that's got breakages all over.
[04:54] <wastrel> how do i play a .aiff
[04:54] <bitfoo> brand new livecd worked fine
[04:54] <bitfoo> so why wouldnt the install cd work?
[04:54] <wastrel> better, how do i convert it to mp3
[04:54] <bitfoo> it makes sense to me :|
[04:55] <cafuego> bitfoo: it changes by the hour.
[04:55] <wastrel> lack of standards?
[04:55] <wastrel> what's that supposed to mean
[04:55] <wastrel> also : h8n teh 'doze
[04:55] <bitfoo> heh
[04:55] <bitfoo> brb duke game almost over :|
[04:56] <randabis-laptop> damn
[04:56] <cafuego> wastrel: ubuntu doesn't just use wma and wmv, like aany decent OS should :-(
[04:56] <randabis-laptop> streamtuner is broken
[04:56] <hams> i seem to be missing XML::Parser for perl, is there a standard ubuntu package that might have that?
[04:56] <whiprush> try libxml-parser-perl
[04:57] <cafuego> if that faisl, use dh-make-perl
[04:57] <randabis-laptop> this sucks :/
[04:57] <ephic> damn..
[04:57] <ephic> i installed the sun java..
[04:57] <rellik> there is a Direct Connect client I'd like to try but it doesn't have ubuntu packages...  can I use the debian ones instead?
[04:57] <wastrel> <3 audacity
[04:57] <ephic> put a link in the plugins dir for mozilla..
[04:57] <wastrel> i converted my aiff to wav
[04:58] <cafuego> ephic: Did you forget to run it though make-jpkg ?
[04:58] <ephic> naw the rpm installed it right
[04:58] <ephic> i checked
[04:58] <cafuego> ephic: You did WHAT???
[04:58] <ephic> lol.
[04:58] <ephic> i used the rpm
[04:58] <cafuego> How?
[04:58] <ephic> the command alien for rpm packing.
[04:59] <cafuego> Ok, that's not as bad as it could be.
[04:59] <ephic> lol
[04:59] <ephic> but anyway, it installed the java
[04:59] <ephic> and i put a link to the plugin..
[04:59] <ephic> yet, when i go to yahoo games to play pool..
[04:59] <ephic> gives me the error that i dont have java.
[04:59] <ephic> im getting a java script console
[04:59] <ephic> without errors.
[05:00] <wastrel> javascript != java
[05:00] <cafuego> it faisl to find the libs and/or binaries.
[05:00] <ephic> ah i see
[05:00] <cafuego> ephic: yeah.Remove the deb you made, download the .bin from sun, run it though make-jpkg.
[05:00] <ephic> ah i see, alrighty.
[05:00] <ephic> already got the bin as well
[05:00] <cafuego> then install the reulting .deb
[05:00] <ephic> just figured since it was installed//
[05:00] <ephic> k
[05:00] <cafuego> That will automagically do the plugin and config it.
[05:01] <ephic> ah i see ;D
[05:01] <ephic> ty
[05:01] <wastrel> bye
[05:01] <bitfoo> wow there is no synaptics in hoary :O
[05:01] <regeya> eep
[05:02] <cafuego> no what?
[05:02] <zenrox> what
[05:02] <regeya> what's the new gui tool, anyway?
[05:02] <jdub> bitfoo: yes there is
[05:02] <zenrox> i am using snyaptic now in hoary
[05:02] <cafuego> The touchpad driver is in Xorg.
[05:02] <qcompson> bitfoo: my xmms hasn't worked since the upgrade to hoary, either
[05:02] <Guardiann> how come
[05:03] <cafuego> Hint: if warty works fine, don't upgrade.
[05:03] <randabis-laptop> bitfoo yes there is
[05:03] <cafuego> randabis-laptop: He just mis spelled it.
[05:03] <randabis-laptop> oh
[05:03] <cafuego> synaptic != synaptics
[05:03] <Guardiann> why hasnt your xmms worked
[05:03] <randabis-laptop> I know
[05:04] <qcompson> segmentation fault
[05:04] <randabis-laptop> I just assumed he was talking about the other
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[05:04] <randabis-laptop> yeah my xmms only works on the laptop (hoary). but it seg faults with my desktop and my sisters box (both hoary)
[05:04] <zenrox> qcompson,  its choaking on some dir that has a spance in it
[05:04] <zenrox> space
[05:05] <cafuego> xmms is running fine here, playing mp3s off the nfs server
[05:05] <zenrox> that was my prob till i ran it thaure bt just to see what was causing it
[05:05] <randabis-laptop> beep media player works on those other boxes though
[05:05] <randabis-laptop> so I use it for them
[05:06] <qcompson> zenox: as in the directory name has a space in it?
[05:06] <zenrox> yep
[05:06] <qcompson> how could I not have it search for directories on start-up?
[05:07] <zenrox> or some other special carter like ()*&^%$#@!
[05:07] <randabis-laptop> I just want streamtuner to work :/ I need to find some stations to rip
[05:07] <zenrox> randabis-laptop, use streamriper
[05:07] <randabis-laptop> I know
[05:07] <randabis-laptop> I do use streamripper
[05:07] <randabis-laptop> I need to FIND stations
[05:07] <zenrox> and go to www.shoutcast.com to get a list
[05:08] <randabis-laptop> k
[05:08] <randabis-laptop> I still like streamtuner though :/
[05:08] <qcompson> as far as stations go, I love groove-salad...
[05:11] <zenrox> soma-fm is good
[05:11] <qcompson> www.somafm.com
[05:11] <zenrox> ya
[05:11] <qcompson> lol totally
[05:11] <zenrox>  ::::::::::| synerdata.com |:::::::::: 160k  <--this too kicks
[05:12] <zenrox> but slower than soma
[05:12] <zenrox> beat wise
[05:14] <bitfoo> :|
[05:15] <qcompson> I'll have to check it out
[05:16] <ficusplanet> Hey, does anybody know if usplash is going to make it into hoary?
[05:16] <bur[n] er> ficusplanet: check the wiki?
[05:17] <OddAbe19> ficusplanet, yes
[05:17] <bitfoo> SOMAFM is awesome :|
[05:18] <bitfoo> so is sleepbot
[05:18] <ficusplanet> OddAbe19, When will we be able to test?  Has it been released yet?
[05:19] <bitfoo> i think i have to reinstall :|
[05:20] <snowblink> if something is GPLed, does that mean I should be able to get the source code?
[05:20] <stuNNed> yep
[05:20] <stuNNed> snowblink: one way or the other
[05:21] <snowblink> Trying to get source code for ipodder, because they only have RPMs available
[05:21] <stuNNed> snowblink: check for a .src.rpm
[05:21] <snowblink> they claim it's GPLed, but I can't figure out a way to get it
[05:21] <snowblink> Not one that I can see
[05:22] <bitfoo> so does anyone here use debian?
[05:22] <bitfoo> i just wanted to know real world differences :|
[05:22] <stuNNed> snowblink: do they have cvs?
[05:23] <stuNNed> snowblink: you can try a 'wget -r their_site' and see what you can find
[05:23] <brc_ubnutu> greetings
[05:23] <stuNNed> hi brc_ubnutu
[05:24] <dutch> good night
[05:24] <snowblink> stuNNed: cannot see a CVS
[05:24] <snowblink> stuNNed: wget -r sounds a bit hostile
[05:25] <bitfoo> man fsck this im reinstalling warty :(
[05:25] <stuNNed> how is it hostile if you are just looking for the source code they claim to offer?
[05:26] <swim> hay
[05:27] <stuNNed> bitfoo: did the same.
[05:27] <p00p> hi.. has anyone gotten kismet working with a linksys wpc11v3?
[05:27] <brc_> running hoary...when I upgraded (from warty) the icons on my 'taskbar' (proper gnome terminology?) for running apps shrunk...now they're just the icon and first letter of the app name
[05:27] <brc_> I can't seem to figure out how to set their size
[05:27] <swim> I'm bored of normal gui desktop environments, I want something different.
[05:27] <Agrajag> snowblink: is this the same ipodder from ipodder.sf.net?
[05:28] <bitfoo> whirred stunned :|
[05:28] <snowblink> Agrajag: yup
[05:28] <bitfoo> swim: 3ddesktop?
[05:28] <Agrajag> snowblink: then what's the problem?
[05:28] <Agrajag> It's written in python.
[05:28] <Agrajag> Python is interpreted.
[05:28] <swim> bitfoo, yah I guess though buggy as hell
[05:28] <qcompson> brc: you can choose a minimum size in the taskbar preferences
[05:28] <Agrajag> That means it runs the source code almost directly
[05:29] <snowblink> Agrajag: okay, so I grab the RPM?
[05:29] <bitfoo> really? it worked fine for me :|
[05:29] <Agrajag> what I'm saying here is, if you installed ipodder-1.1.2-1cl.noarch.rpm you installed the source
[05:29] <Agrajag> I would assume so
[05:29] <bitfoo> i just bound it to f9 to activate and then left right arrows to switch through and space to select :|
[05:29] <snowblink> Agrajag: cool. I'll give it a go. Thanks
[05:31] <snowblink> Agrajag: just used to RPMs being binaries
[05:31] <ficusplanet> Are the entries for the web site redesign posted anywhere yet?
[05:31] <froust> Can anyone recommend a good html editor with built in preview (not wysiwyg)?
[05:32] <farruinn> bluefish?
[05:32] <ficusplanet> froust, The only one I know of with preview is quanta.
[05:32] <ficusplanet> farruinn, There is no built in preview in bluefish.
[05:32] <don> hi
[05:33] <farruinn> ficusplanet: ok, for some reason I thought it did. Personally I use vim+firefox
[05:33] <p00p> has ANYONE used a wpc11v3 with ubuntu?
[05:33] <froust> i think i found one... erwin
[05:33] <p00p> i think i'm the only one who has noticed that it stops working after a couple reboots.
[05:34] <ficusplanet> farruinn, I went through phases of using bluefish and screem, but I just ended up thinking both were overkill.
[05:35] <ficusplanet> p00p, I've been using one for several weeks now, actually.
[05:35] <p00p> ficusplanet, what driver are you using?
[05:35] <Br34ch> oh mai.. im bad. Crashed it for the 5th time today :(
[05:35] <ficusplanet> I'm actually not even sure, it just worked.  I'll check - just a sec.
[05:35] <p00p> ficusplanet, ahh, so you haven't attempted to use kismet or anything like that?
[05:36] <ficusplanet> p00p, No, I've just used network-admin and netapplet.
[05:36] <p00p> ficusplanet, ok, i guess it doesn't really apply to me then. but you haven't noticed that after a few reboots you need to reinstall ubuntu to get the card to recognize again?
[05:37] <ficusplanet> Nope.  I doesn't scan, though.  That's pretty annoying.
[05:37] <p00p> yeah
[05:37] <p00p> the card just stops recognizing after about 3 reboots
[05:37] <joshty> i just installed ubuntu (warty) couldn't get the hoary iso working. is there a quick ref to tell me how to switch to the hoary mirrors and update it so it uses the hoary rep?
[05:38] <p00p> the last ubuntu install it wouldn't pick it up at all, but live cd works and knoppix std works with kismet. and a reinstall of ubuntu causes the card to work again
[05:38] <ficusplanet> What do you mean by stops recognizing?  Does orinono_cs load?
[05:38] <p00p> nope.
[05:38] <p00p> no drivers load
[05:38] <p00p> if i load manually, the card doesn't get eth1 assigned to it and just won't work
[05:38] <ficusplanet> p00p, Does sudo modprobe orinoco_cs do anything?  Or adding orinoco_cs to your /etc/modules?
[05:39] <p00p> i haven't added to /etc/modules, but sudo modprobe orinoco_cs just loads the modules. the card still doesn't work
[05:39] <p00p> the modules show up on lsmod, but the card isn't given a network interface
[05:39] <p00p> if it's worth anything, my pc speaker beeps when i pull the card out, and it beeps then gives a sad sounding beep when i put it in
[05:40] <ficusplanet> Well, I would try first putting orinoco_cs into /etc/modules so that it loads on boot - even though hotplug really should just find it.
[05:40] <p00p> yeah
[05:40] <p00p> hotplug found it the first couple boots
[05:40] <p00p> then it died
[05:41] <ficusplanet> That's quite strange.  I've had no problems.
[05:42] <joshty> anyone?
[05:43] <p00p> joshty, there is something on the wiki i think
[05:43] <p00p> joshty, google for something like upgrade hoary site:ubuntulinux.org
[05:43] <ficusplanet> joshty, Just replace the every instance of the word "warty" in your sources.list with the word hoary and then apt-get update.
[05:43] <farruinn> joshty: change every instance of 'warty' to 'hoary' in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:43] <joshty> thanks
[05:43] <joshty> then just apt-get update system or whatever the command is?
[05:44] <farruinn> apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:44] <joshty> ah thankees :)
[05:44] <swim> anyone using e17 on ubuntu?
[05:44] <ficusplanet> heh, I feel so used
[05:45] <ficusplanet> ha
[05:45] <meskes> swim: I think the question is more like this... is there anyone using E at all?
[05:45] <stuNNed> meskes: heh
[05:45] <EvolutionR> how to upgrade to Hoary? I've done update the warthy & distr -upgrade but only changes to 2.6.8-14 not 2.6.10????
[05:46] <meskes> EvolutionR: Apt will not upgrade the kernel.
[05:46] <meskes> You have to tell it to
[05:46] <EvolutionR> meskes: how to upgrade to hoary?
[05:46] <ficusplanet> EvolutionR, The easiest way is probably just to download the recently released array cd 3
[05:46] <meskes> EvolutionR: at the rate you're going I dont think you need to
[05:47] <p00p> lol
[05:47] <EvolutionR> why?
[05:47] <meskes> EvolutionR: take small, BABY steps man.
[05:47] <swim> meskes, i think e16 is quite good... e17 even better, I know many people on other distros that use E... so I wouldnt be too surprised to see someone in here
[05:47] <EvolutionR> waht is E
[05:48] <swim> enlightenment
[05:48] <meskes> EvolutionR: I dont think you know enough about linux to be running something thats got the potental of taking a shit on you at any moment.
[05:48] <EvolutionR> ficusplanet: wat is the url website for the CD 3?????
[05:48] <EvolutionR> u mean not stable????
[05:48] <meskes> EvolutionR: thats right
[05:49] <ficusplanet> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-3/
[05:49] <EvolutionR> okie :( wait till april
[05:49] <farruinn> EvolutionR: we don't like to use that word around here - we prefer "development branch" ;)
[05:49] <EvolutionR> :)
[05:49] <regeya> E == enlightenment windowmanager, a once-interesting windowmanager that's slowly becoming something awesome...though by the time it does, I fear something else will be better than E
[05:49] <EvolutionR> farruinn: wat word?
[05:49] <farruinn> unstable
[05:49] <farruinn> although I guess you actually didn't use it...
[05:49] <meskes> regeya: I thought it was annoying. like trying to be all 1984ish
[05:50] <meskes> farruinn: there is nothing with the term of "unstable" in my eyes.
[05:51] <meskes> farruinn: one must assume that something thats under a rather constant dev cycle will have to be "unstable"
[05:51] <EvolutionR> meskes: yeah!
[05:51] <meskes> Thats just me though
[05:51] <EvolutionR> comeon be open guys this is open source should be open not close minded
[05:52] <regeya> meskes, I agree.  a lot of emphasis on being pretty, not enough on being less user-hostile ;-)
[05:52] <meskes> regeya: Dude, its like watching a sick combination of 2001 and 1984. E scares me that much
[05:53] <meskes> "Hello Dave. We're watching you." *shudder*
[05:53] <EvolutionR> I only mention <EvolutionR> u mean not stable???? not unstable!
[05:53] <regeya> hahaha
[05:53] <EvolutionR> :)
[05:54] <EvolutionR> be kwel guys
[05:54] <EvolutionR> I never says Hoary is unstable
[05:54] <EvolutionR> Never mind!
[05:54] <meskes> EvolutionR: at least its not woody. Thats so stable it should e dead.
[05:55] <meskes> s/e/be
[05:55] <Br34ch> Well mates, no need that this needs to be slithered upon. Let's just ... uhh.. group hug or something.. like those.. guys.. at ubuntu do!
[05:55] <EvolutionR> hahhaha idle
[05:55] <regeya> qgww
[05:55] <EvolutionR> meskes : idle dead! hahahha
[05:55] <K-Rich> greets
[05:55] <EvolutionR> meskes: u hugs urself everynite? so nice ahhaah
[05:55] <TheGorf> sooo my query for tonight is thus:  How do I modify the default application for video files.  So that instead of totem, it offers mplayer?
[05:56] <TheGorf> In Gnome that is.  If it matters
[05:56] <Adrenal> properties/open with
[05:56] <bur[n] er> no no no
[05:56] <meskes> Oh Oh Oh I do have to say that upgrading to Horay fixed something with smbclient in Gnome 2.8... now I cam mount my Samba share.
[05:57] <TheGorf> Adrenal: I discovered that method, but I was hoping there was a list maintained somewhere, so that I could make that change to all video types at once
[05:57] <bur[n] er> wrong window... sorry ;)
[05:57] <EvolutionR> meskes: that's why I want to try the Hoary upgrading....my pppoe here sucks cant surf net
[05:57] <K-Rich> speaking of samba... can a linux share a windows printer (ie can this box print to the printer on my windows box?)
[05:57] <ficusplanet> yes
[05:57] <TheGorf> K-Rich:  Yes
[05:58] <K-Rich> how would i do it... on windows the printer says it's shared but i don't see it listed when i browse it wish nautilus
[05:58] <K-Rich> s/wish/with
[05:59] <EvolutionR> meskes: let say I've downloaded the disc 3 of hoary...how do I run it? on boot? or synaptic or apt get?
[05:59] <aspro> K-Rich, use the printing thing in system configuration and add it?
[06:00] <ficusplanet> you can add it as a source in synaptic or boot it.  I would recommend booting and installing clean.
[06:00] <TheGorf> in the printer setup it prompts you for the Printer Type.  Specify that it is a network Printer, and select the "Windows Printer (SMB)" option.  YOu can then specify the UNC path to the server
[06:00] <Br34ch> Lots of people seem to be having incompatibility problems and such with printers.. does .. Hory attempt to absolve anything to this? :s
[06:00] <Br34ch> Hoary* hmm, sounds odd.. :>
[06:00] <Adrenal> eheh
[06:01] <K-Rich> TheGorf: so for host use 'smb://fred' and then printer use the name windows gives it?
[06:02] <Br34ch> And oh.. how "necessary" is it that I should have a firewall?
[06:02] <hams> is there a font viewer?
[06:02] <doug_harvey> hello.  i installed ubuntu 4.10 on an old NEC system.  everything is fine except that the GDM login screen is at too high a resolution and looks strange.  once i login and as a user change the resolution to 1024x78 it is fine, but once i logout the resolution reverts back to something else.  i tried gdmsetup but it doesn't have an option for screen resolution.  how do i change this?   any help would be much appreciated.
[06:03] <ficusplanet> hams, Go to fonts:/// in nautilus
[06:04] <TheGorf> K-Rich: The Host is of course the hostname or IP of the winblows machine.  Printer is the share name of the printer, and of course you get username and password I assume.
[06:04] <hams> which menu is nautilus in?
[06:04] <Br34ch> I recently got Firestarter.. and uhm, when it asks for root pw.. it takes it as "incorrect" when I give it.. :x
[06:04] <ficusplanet> It's just the file manager.  Go to any folder and click open location
[06:04] <quarupt> hi
[06:05] <K-Rich> TheGorf: right but it's my dad's windows box so he has it set up with guest access (despite my suggestions to the contrary) so there is no need for a username and password
[06:05] <K-Rich> (though if i can get the modem we have to work through usb on ubuntu he's willing to switch :D)
[06:06] <hams> ok, how do i figure out what the "X" name of the font is? trying to use it inside of torsmo
[06:06] <kapputu> how do I play files of type .rmvb
[06:07] <FLeiXiuS> Anyone running the Hoary development?
[06:08] <froust> yup
[06:08] <FLeiXiuS> I like it a bit more, although Xorg is sucking up a lot more resources then XFree was
[06:08] <K-Rich> is there any chance the usb connection to the modem will work with Ubuntu ?
[06:08] <K-Rich> (i think it's a longshot)
[06:09] <ficusplanet> K-Rich, It depends on the specific modem, not on the usb connection.
[06:09] <K-Rich> Speedstream 5200
[06:10] <ficusplanet> FLeiXiuS, I'm liking hoary a lot.  I'm really encouraged by the improvements in oo.org2.  And beagle - not officially packaged, but pretty easy to install - is just getting better and better.
[06:10] <K-Rich> ficusplanet: Speedstream 5200, one cool thing is it doubles as a router :)
[06:10] <FLeiXiuS> ficusplanet, there's a lot more deb packages available now, it's so much easier then compiling everythign as I did with warty.
[06:11] <ficusplanet> K-Rich, I haven't played with that modem (is it dsl), but broadband connections are generally pretty straightforward.
[06:12] <ficusplanet> FLeiXiuS, Definitely.  I'm really looking forward to all the mono stuff being packaged and one-click-away.
[06:12] <K-Rich> ficusplanet: yeah, its a dsl modem/router
[06:13] <ficusplanet> K-Rich, You might actually have a compelling reason to a) move to hoary or b) at least wait for the preview release because the next version of g-s-t has pppoe support.
[06:14] <hou5ton> my son just got Ubuntu on this laptop, and it has version 2.0.8 XChat, .... and I can't figure out how to get a later version ... like 2.4.x ???
[06:15] <K-Rich> ficusplanet: either that or get my hands on a little 4 port hub :P
[06:15] <ficusplanet> hou5ton, Is something missing that you need/want?
[06:16] <hou5ton> sounds working properly
[06:16] <hou5ton> on this version, there is no Sounds on Settings/Preferences
[06:17] <ficusplanet> hou5ton, Well, you could either use gaim for irc or download the latest version of xchat from xchat.org - or upgrade to hoary on march 9th.
[06:17] <hou5ton> ficusplanet: well, new to this, ... but I take you mean by that, that hoary will have the later version?
[06:17] <ephic> is there a set of keys that restart linux?
[06:18] <Agrajag> the reset button
[06:18] <ephic> i know, 'keys'
[06:18] <hou5ton> also, .. i've been reading about synaptic, .... but don't see gnucash or inkscape listed in there
[06:18] <ficusplanet> hou5ton, Hoary is the next version of ubuntu.  You could upgrade to it right now, but it is a development version so it may not be as solid as what you have right now, which is referred to as "warty."
[06:18] <hou5ton> I'm still trying to read through the material, ... but
[06:19] <hou5ton> ficusplanet: can i just do a root terminal and:  aptget gnucash   ??
[06:19] <hou5ton> is that how that works
[06:20] <ficusplanet> hou5ton, You can just click computer>>synaptic package manager and search for whatever you want.
[06:21] <ficusplanet> Wow.  I just read on the users list that the devs are looking at NetworkManager again for hoary+1.  Is this true?  What made them change their minds about it?
[06:22] <meskes> hou5ton: I ratted you out! .:)
[06:22] <SuperL4g> hou5ton: what kind of no good are you up to? :)
[06:22] <meskes> >:), that is
[06:22] <hou5ton> doesn't matter to me
[06:22] <jdub> ficusplanet: nothing
[06:22] <hou5ton> Joshua did it
[06:22] <meskes> hahaha
[06:22] <meskes> hou5ton: I would like to meet your son.
[06:23] <ficusplanet> jdub, I heard it getting scarier and scarier code-wise and that you guys were wanting to stay away from it.  Is that not true?
[06:23] <ficusplanet> *heard it was
[06:24] <jdub> most of those issues have been resolved or explained
[06:24] <meskes> hou5ton: I think ubuntu is more along your style anyway. Its not crap like slack and it will give you time to learn more about linux without having to remember everything all the time like you do in Gentoo.
[06:24] <SuperL4g> meskes: I've met 'em.  He's a good kid.
[06:24] <ficusplanet> Awesome, I'm really glad that distros will be cooperating/coming together around that solution.  That will be a huge step forward.
[06:25] <meskes> hou5ton: thats why I use it. I know how to do things the "hard way" and Im going to admit, Im too lazy to do it like that all the time. :)
[06:26] <ficusplanet> jdub, Do you have any more information on the web design contest?  Are the entries posted anywhere?
[06:29] <phin> is there a decent program to do samba shares in gtk?
[06:29] <jdub> ficusplanet: nup, just the announce
[06:30] <ficusplanet> jdub, Alright.  Well, my colleagues and I are going to give it a run this weekend.
[06:35] <Orbo> I'm having some trouble with electric sheep
[06:35] <Orbo> it works fine
[06:35] <Orbo> but no fullscreen
[06:35] <ficusplanet> phin, There is a new tool in hoary/GNOME 2.10 to configure samba and NFS shares.
[06:36] <phin> what is the name of it?
[06:36] <ficusplanet> shares-admin
[06:36] <ficusplanet> It's in gnome-system-tools
[06:36] <phin> thanks
[06:36] <phin> ah ok
[06:36] <phin> i should have it then
[06:36] <phin> i do not have gnome installed
[06:36] <phin> but i have some things
[06:36] <phin> i use fluxbox :)
[06:37] <phin> this pc is to slow
[06:37] <Orbo> nobody knows electric sheep?
[06:37] <phin> 'hehe
[06:37] <froust> anyone know how i can get the verdana font on here?
[06:37] <jdub> froust: msttcorefonts
[06:37] <zenrox> froust,  ya what jdub  said
[06:37] <froust> thanks!
[06:39] <froust> that's all i have to do?
[06:39] <ficusplanet> yup
[06:39] <hou5ton> ficusplanet: what I can't figure out is how to get synaptic to show me the new packages to choose from.  It's only showing me the ones I already have.  ??
[06:40] <ficusplanet> hou5ton, If you go to Settings>>Repositories and then check the box that have universe in the sections, you'll have a much bigger selection.  Oh, and click reload after you check those boxes.
[06:42] <froust> hrm. verdana still isn't showing up in webpages
[06:43] <froust> nevermind
[06:43] <hou5ton> ficusplanet: ok,..... there are two of them that do that, ... and when I check those boxes it asks if i'm sure, because the packages are unsupported..    Is that still ok?
[06:44] <ficusplanet> Yeah.
[06:44] <ficusplanet> You just can't get tech support from ubuntu developers/canonical about those programs.
[06:45] <hou5ton> ahhhh, .... now that makes a big difference.  :-)
[06:48] <K-Rich> how Odd... the pressed CDs i got won't boot in my dads box, so i made and ISO and burned it, and that boots!
[06:48] <froust> how can i set up an ftp server on my box?
[06:49] <awstottt> dl ncftp and install
[06:49] <jdub> froust: vsftpd
[06:49] <jdub> awstottt: 'server'
[06:49] <awstottt> ncftpd is a server
[06:49] <awstottt> client and server
[06:49] <awstottt> can do both
[06:49] <jdub> plus, it's not supported
[06:50] <awstottt> looks like you have ot pay for it too
[06:51] <Sye> hello
[06:51] <ficusplanet> hi
[06:51] <cafuego> ncftp is the client, it's free-ish
[06:51] <cafuego> Doesn't do anything lftp can't do.
[06:51] <hou5ton> ficusplanet: for example, it brings up four gnucash packages, but when I click to mark the main one, "gnucash" for installation, it gives me four other dependencies to mark, but when I do that, it says it can't install gnucash-common because of other dependencies that are unistallable?
[06:52] <froust> brb
[06:52] <hou5ton> that is confusing to me, because I thought ubuntu just took care of all that"?
[06:53] <ficusplanet> hou5ton, Did you click the reload button after changed the repositories?
[06:53] <SuperL4g> hou5ton: you just can't wait, can you?
[06:54] <hou5ton> ficusplanet: should I just check all repository options in the preferences?
[06:56] <keldrum> Anyone experirencing difficulty running Evolution while connecting to an Exchange 2003 server? I can see my folder list & the calendar works fine but when I try to view the messages in my inbox I receive the following message "Could not connect to Evolution Exchange backend process: No such file or directory." Any Ideas would be greatly appreciated.
[06:56] <ficusplanet> Having universe and main ought to be enough to install gnucash, but you might not have the main web repository enabled.  The first line in the repos box is your cdrom.  You can uncheck that and check the two beneath it if they are off.
[06:56] <whiprush> Orbo: you need to add --zoom in the advanced tab to get fullscreen
[06:57] <hou5ton> ficusplanet: that seemed to have fixed it, ... i checked the other repository options
[06:57] <bitfoo> repos should be smart :|
[06:57] <bitfoo> you shouldn't have to edit the list
[06:57] <bitfoo> it should pop up and say "yo gnucash is available, but it might not be compatible.  it's only availabe in development and testing stages right now."
[06:57] <bitfoo> :|
[06:58] <da_bon_bon> how do i check whether a cd i got is bootable or not ? it says its bootable, but doesnt boot!
[06:58] <ficusplanet> bitfoo, I don't think the ubuntu folks want to have the unsupported stuff enabled by default.
[06:59] <Orbo> whiprush the advanced tab in xscreensaver?
[07:00] <jdub> bitfoo: unsupported doesn't mean 'in development', it means unsupported :)
[07:00] <whiprush> there's 2, one for the ee saver, and another one (the gui is kind of obtuse)
[07:00] <whiprush> but where the command lines options are.
[07:00] <Orbo> oh I see on the command line options, thankks
[07:00] <whiprush> add a --zoom
[07:00] <whiprush> right
[07:00] <froust> when i try running ftp, i get this error "500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket"
[07:02] <Orbo> whiprush, added the --zoom, now the preview is just blank
[07:03] <whiprush> yeah I noticed that too ... the saver itself should be fullscreen when it displays though
[07:03] <kakalto> could someone please help me with a graphic card issue?
[07:03] <whiprush> at least it does for me
[07:03] <ficusplanet> kakalto, What's the problem?
[07:03] <hou5ton> ficusplanet: SUCCESS
[07:03] <hou5ton> thanks
[07:03] <ficusplanet> hou5ton, np.  Congrats.
[07:03] <Orbo> thanks
[07:04] <kakalto> apparently XFree86 supports my video card, but my comp complains about it, and won't go into interface
[07:04] <ficusplanet> What card/chipset is it?
[07:04] <kakalto> S3 Trio64V+
[07:05] <kakalto> Is it a simple matter of opening the xfree86 config file and changing the driver used?
[07:05] <ficusplanet> kakalto, Possibly.  That would be the first thing to check, certainly.
[07:06] <ficusplanet> kakalto, I believe the driver should just be s3.
[07:06] <kakalto> how do I get out of vim....
[07:07] <kakalto> I'm very not-used to vim
[07:07] <kakalto> ctrl + q?
[07:07] <kakalto> nope
[07:07] <ficusplanet> I don't generally use it, but Shit+ZZ I think should do it.
[07:07] <ficusplanet> *Shift. Oops.
[07:08] <kakalto> lol
[07:08] <kakalto> nah
[07:08] <Dakee> Hi, does the ubuntu live cd support centrino 2200 wireless chipset?
[07:08] <kakalto> didn't work
[07:08] <ficusplanet> kakalto, Really.  It just worked over here.
[07:09] <kakalto> didn't work here
[07:09] <kakalto> but I just switched to screen 2
[07:09] <ficusplanet> OK
[07:09] <kakalto> but...
[07:09] <kakalto> the driver is set as s3
[07:09] <kakalto> :(
[07:10] <ficusplanet> Are the refresh rates on your monitor correct?
[07:10] <kakalto> I would have no idea
[07:10] <ficusplanet> What monitor do you have?
[07:10] <kakalto> an old one...
[07:10] <kakalto> KTX SVGA Pluss
[07:10] <kakalto> *Plus
[07:10] <kakalto> ah
[07:11] <kakalto> found the settings
[07:11] <kakalto> 50/60hz
[07:11] <kakalto> 90-135 VAC
[07:11] <kakalto> hang on...
[07:11] <kakalto> this is power
[07:11] <kakalto> model number!
[07:11] <kakalto> CAD-135M
[07:13] <ficusplanet> I've never heard of ktx.  Is this a laptop?
[07:14] <kakalto> nope
[07:14] <kakalto> we've had ktx screens for years
[07:15] <kakalto> and all of the ktx screens we have are old :P
[07:15] <ficusplanet> Yeah, I can't find technical information for them anywhere, unfortunately.
[07:16] <MacPlusG3> ktx went bust a number of years ago
[07:16] <kakalto> :(
[07:17] <kakalto> well, I found a slashdot article to do with configuring...
[07:17] <paulproteus> I can usually find information on old monitors by Googling for xf86config+monitorname
[07:17] <bitfoo> hoary is god damn evil :|
[07:17] <bitfoo> compared to warty :|
[07:17] <froust> i love hoary
[07:18] <cafuego> Yoooy!
[07:18] <bitfoo> most things broke and are slower for me compared to warty
[07:18] <bitfoo> i am the sad :(
[07:18] <kakalto> paulproteus, even if you search just for this monitor on google, you don't get much
[07:18] <cafuego> if I fix Evolution I can't log into Gnome, if I can log into Gnome, Evolution crashes.
[07:18] <bur[n] er> warty works well... just older software now... firefox .9.3 still kicks along
[07:18] <paulproteus> kakalto: Sorry to hear that.
[07:18] <kakalto> however (!)
[07:18] <kakalto> you get 10 results
[07:19] <kakalto> and one of them is monitor-drivers.com
[07:19] <bitfoo> bur[n] er, not if you use the backports
[07:19] <bitfoo> :|
[07:19] <kakalto> but sadly the driver is for win98 :(
[07:19] <bitfoo> before i tried hoary upgrade today i had latest firefox, gaim, etc :|
[07:19] <bur[n] er> hrm... that a seperate repository bitfoo?  or each package individually?
[07:20] <ron_frown> anyone here installed ubuntu on ppc?
[07:20] <cafuego> ron_frown: Not yet.
[07:20] <ron_frown> fuck
[07:20] <ron_frown> I have
[07:20] <bitfoo> its a separate repository. its the updated packages that are built against hoary, rebuilt against warty packages so they work for the stable version
[07:20] <bitfoo> seems common sense to me :|
[07:20] <ron_frown> but it gives me a little questionmark, and blinking folder
[07:20] <ron_frown> apparently filesystems were screwed
[07:20] <cafuego> ron_frown: If it's as much like Debian as the x86 version is, it should work fine.
[07:20] <bitfoo> check ubuntuforums.org under 3rd party development for repos :O
[07:20] <cafuego> ron_frown: Ah. Didn't set up the bootloader properly.
[07:21] <cafuego> ron_frown: What PPC is it?
[07:21] <hou5ton> I have added a folder and an application to the Applications Menu, according the docs by running "applications:///" in the home dir, ... but it doesn't show up then, when I go back to the Applications Menu?:
[07:21] <hou5ton> any ideas?
[07:23] <ficusplanet> hou5ton, First, just run killall gnome-panel to see if it will just update after the panels reload.
[07:23] <ron_frown> macmini g4
[07:23] <ron_frown> I installed yaboot
[07:23] <ron_frown> well ubuntu did install it
[07:23] <cafuego> ooh!
[07:23] <ron_frown> it just didnt work like it should
[07:24] <ron_frown> doesnt really matter
[07:24] <MacPlusG3> ron_frown: check the debian-powerpc list
[07:24] <ron_frown> I am going to install osx on partitions first
[07:24] <ron_frown> then reinstall
[07:24] <ron_frown> I didnt have any os on this machine before I tried ubuntu
[07:24] <K-Rich> ugh... help
[07:24] <memo_> Help here too :)
[07:24] <hou5ton> ficusplanet: absolutely.  thanks again
[07:24] <ficusplanet> hou5ton, np
[07:24] <FLeiXiuS> memo_, K-Rich ask away!
[07:24] <K-Rich> for some reason i can't see my windows box on the lan (can't even ping it) but... it can ping me !!!
[07:24] <ficusplanet> K-Rich, memo_, What's up?
[07:24] <cafuego> ron_frown: Well, you can boot off the install Cd to try and fix things up.
[07:25] <cafuego> ron_frown: Check the partition map. make sure you have a MacOS bootstrap aprtition and that yaboot.conf points at it.
[07:25] <cafuego> ron_frown: Then run 'ybin -v' and see what it spits out regarding penguin pee.
[07:25] <K-Rich> ficusplanet: any idea what would cause this?
[07:25] <memo_> First time that I use Linux, and while installing I selected a wrong keyboard map. Now I can't type special characters (actually, I could but I would have to search the keys)
[07:25] <FLeiXiuS> K-Rich, do you have any firewalls setup on your PC?  Are they're any IP-Tables?
[07:26] <ron_frown> I cant even get the sun bitch to boot linux =)
[07:26] <ron_frown> or a bootloader
[07:26] <ron_frown> but we'll see after this
[07:26] <linux-rulz> ron_frown: what is going on?
[07:26] <ficusplanet> memo_, Are you in GNOME?
[07:26] <K-Rich> none on mine... not sure on his.... though it did work last night which is odd... only thing different is i setup to share a folder
[07:26] <gamecat> So, mounted volumes. I've got 2 vfats and a ntfs that mount on setup and act almost exactly the way I want 'em to.
[07:26] <memo_> Indeed. It's the default for Ubuntu, I think.
[07:27] <gamecat> EXCEPT that they put icons on the desktop.
[07:27] <gamecat> I'd rather those not be there.
[07:27] <K-Rich> let me see on his.... could be the router as well i assume
[07:27] <ficusplanet> OK, click computer>>preferences>>keyboard and change your layout in there.
[07:27] <gamecat> anyone know how to prevent those?
[07:27] <ron_frown> install on my macmini it went through entire install
[07:27] <ron_frown> rebooted, and got little blinking mac/questionmark
[07:27] <ron_frown> but I think I am fixing it
[07:27] <ficusplanet> gamecat, go into the configuration editor in the system tools menu.
[07:27] <cafuego> ron_frown: Insert Ubuntu CD, boot with finger on 'c' key.
[07:27] <gamecat> yeh?
[07:27] <ficusplanet> gamecat, navigate to apps>>nautilus>>desktop
[07:28] <linux-rulz> ah...dont have much experience with PPC/Linux
[07:28] <ficusplanet> gamecat, then disable volumes on desktop
[07:28] <memo_> Thanks!
[07:28] <ficusplanet> memo_, np
[07:28] <memo_> I hadn't noticed the 'Computer' part
[07:28] <memo_> I thought that it was part of the applications menu
[07:28] <MacPlusG3> ron_frown: actually... try holding down apple-option-shift-delete on bootup. this tells the mac to "search all other drives/partitions for something that's bootable".
[07:28] <gamecat> thanks, ficus. Will that keep CDs from showing up too?
[07:28] <ficusplanet> gamecat, I'm not sure.
[07:29] <memo_> Another question, what package I'm supossed to download when selecting stuff for Ubuntu?
[07:29] <ron_frown> well i am installing osx on new partitions leaving about 10g for linux
[07:29] <gamecat> Hmm. Ideally, I'd like a plain ol' blacklist of volumes that can't show up.
[07:29] <ron_frown> so I will in a sec
[07:29] <gamecat> will investigate further.
[07:29] <ficusplanet> memo_, What do you mean?  When you're trying to get extra software?
[07:29] <ron_frown> I tried that command option p + r
[07:29] <gamecat> at any rate, thanks!
[07:29] <memo_> Yes.
[07:29] <pvh> Would someone please link me to a tutorial on CVS->DEB?
[07:29] <memo_> There are packages for fedora, mandrake, redhat, etc
[07:29] <ron_frown> but what does zapping pram do, and I never heard the "three bongs"
[07:29] <pvh> Which is to say, I'd like to check out a package and build it into a deb file.
[07:29] <ficusplanet> memo_, Just go to computer>>system configuration>>synaptic
[07:29] <ficusplanet> memo_, You can install software from there.
[07:30] <memo_> (In this case, i'm trying to update Gaim)
[07:30] <ficusplanet> pvh, Just use checkinstall.
[07:30] <pvh> ficusplanet: Thanks. I'll look into that.
[07:30] <gamecat> to a new version, memo?
[07:30] <gamecat> i.e. one that's not included in warty?
[07:30] <FLeiXiuS> I'm a huge fan of Apt, so I'd go with apt-get update && apt-get ugrade -y -f :-)
[07:30] <ficusplanet> memo_, The package format in debian based systems is .deb.  However, you should just stick to the repositories in ubuntu, really.
[07:30] <gamecat> you might be interested in doing a search on the wiki for hoary backports.
[07:31] <memo_> OK. Thanks :)
[07:31] <julio> go to www.ubuntuguide.org and follow the instructions to add new repositories.
[07:31] <gamecat> these will mostly work as well as the regular warty repositories.
[07:31] <julio> memo
[07:31] <ficusplanet> pvh, np
[07:31] <pvh> ficusplanet: That looks like just what I needed. Thanks!
[07:31] <ficusplanet> np
[07:31] <cafuego> ron_frown: Zapping the PRAM resets where it THINKS it should boot from. If you don't hear the chime twice, it didn't zap.
[07:31] <memo_> Julio> OK.
[07:32] <ron_frown> MacPlusG3 - how does ubuntu run on macs? and can I slim down ubuntu distro?
[07:32] <ron_frown> eg, rip out kde and such?
[07:32] <julio> ubuntu doesn't come with KDE.
[07:32] <ron_frown> or is it more designed ot be a mass deployed desktop
[07:32] <julio> it only comes with GNOME.
[07:32] <MacPlusG3> ron_frown: kde doesn't ship :)
[07:32] <daniels> ron_frown: it runs fine, and ubuntu never ships kde in the first place
[07:32] <ron_frown> thats not the point
[07:32] <ron_frown> I was dealing with gentoo
[07:32] <ron_frown> where you install only what you need etc
[07:32] <ficusplanet> ron_frown, if you want to do a really slim install, run custom from the initial prompt
[07:32] <ron_frown> doesnt install shitloads of stuff you'll never use
[07:32] <MacPlusG3> ron_frown: you can do a minimal install, and then add stuff. but default is good, saves you a lot of time.
[07:33] <MacPlusG3> ron_frown: linux runs well on macs.
[07:33] <gamecat> i think I get you? if you install in expert mode, or... yeah, what they're saying.
[07:33] <FLeiXiuS> ron_frown, it's not quite the same, try loading ubuntu in the 'expert' install
[07:33] <kakalto> could someone help me, I have a s3 trio64, and x won't start
[07:33] <FLeiXiuS> ron_frown, gentoo is one if the most highly configurable distro's there are for installs, other then slackware
[07:33] <kakalto> hehe
[07:33] <kakalto> gentoo was kewl
[07:33] <ron_frown> it was a pain in the ass
[07:34] <ficusplanet> kakalto, I would just try running "sudo xf86config" and answering the questions to the best of your ability.
[07:34] <kakalto> installation was "interesting"
[07:34] <ron_frown> their documentation wasnt real clear for ppc install
[07:34] <pvh> ron_frown: Have you installed Ubuntu before?
[07:34] <MacPlusG3> ron_frown: the debian-powerpc list is a good one to monitor as most devs hang out there and you get to hear about support/new features/problems/howtos etc
[07:34] <kakalto> ficusplanet, okay, thanks
[07:34] <ron_frown> pvh, quickly this morning, which didnt start
[07:34] <pvh> ron_frown: I found Ubuntu's default set of packages was really good, and didn't include the "shitloads of stuff" you mentioned earlier.
[07:34] <ron_frown> ok
[07:35] <FLeiXiuS> ron_frown, Ubuntu is one ISO, very limited, trust me!
[07:35] <ron_frown> ok
[07:35] <ron_frown> last question
[07:35] <ron_frown> packaging
[07:35] <jdub> yes we do
[07:35] <ron_frown> gentoo has emerge and portage
[07:35] <FLeiXiuS> Same as Debian ;-)
[07:35] <jdub> (haha!)
[07:35] <FLeiXiuS> ron_frown, Ubuntu uses Synaptics and Apt in favor.
[07:35] <pvh> ron_frown: apt-get/synaptic
[07:36] <pvh> ron_frown: cli/gui
[07:36] <ron_frown> apt-get? and do I just update a collection of "ports" then apt-get fetches source and builds?
[07:36] <FLeiXiuS> pvh,  cli > all!
[07:36] <MacPlusG3> ron_frown: no, it gets the new binaries and installs them
[07:36] <pvh> FLeiXiuS: I did make it the numerator.
[07:36] <ron_frown> all binaries?
[07:36] <MacPlusG3> ron_frown: the cli way is 'apt-get update; apt-get upgrade'
[07:36] <K-Rich> ficusplanet: thanks... damned windows firewall lol
[07:36] <FLeiXiuS> pvh ;-)
[07:36] <jdub> ron_frown: but of course.
[07:36] <MacPlusG3> ron_frown: yes, why on earth would you want to build everything from soure?
[07:37] <ron_frown> I wouldnt want to build EVERYTHING
[07:37] <jdub> ron_frown: no "some assembly required" here -> batteries included!
[07:37] <ron_frown> but some stuff
[07:37] <MacPlusG3> ron_frown: no reason, see, exactly, you're not stupid :)
[07:37] <cafuego> ron_frown: why?
[07:37] <ron_frown> so its optimized for my hardware?
[07:37] <jdub> noflex: no need
[07:37] <FLeiXiuS> MacPlusG3, coming from a gentoo world thats how its done..
[07:37] <jdub> ron_frown: building doesn't optimise for your hardware
[07:37] <cafuego> ron_frown: The speed gain you get from that is completely negated by the timr spent compiling it. Useless.
[07:37] <MacPlusG3> FLeiXiuS, ron_frown: so you expose compiler bugs that make stuff break.
[07:37] <ron_frown> what do all the compiler flags used for, march etc
[07:37] <jdub> ron_frown: good software dynamically adjusts to the features of the hardware.
[07:37] <MacPlusG3> cafuego: and the nice compiler bugs your come across
[07:37] <ron_frown> taking advantage of altivec etc
[07:38] <cafuego> ron_frown: They generally break stuff.
[07:38] <cafuego> MacPlusG3: yeah.
[07:38] <FLeiXiuS> MacPlusG3, I love to compile, simply for the extra advantage I get with customizations..
[07:38] <pvh> ron_frown: If the packages are built for ppc, you should be okay for all that stuff anyway.
[07:38] <jdub> ron_frown: those define the instructions used and very corner case tuning things. they don't magically make software faster, or able to use hardware features (such as altivec).
[07:38] <cafuego> FLeiXiuS: See my previous note about wasting time compiling for a .03usec gain.
[07:38] <MacPlusG3> FLeiXiuS: if you have to go and build something for some extra option then either the packaging or the package is broken and should be fixed
[07:39] <ron_frown> osx install takes ages
[07:39] <FLeiXiuS> MacPlusG3, I'm gentoo at heart.
[07:39] <jdub> FLeiXiuS: you'll get over it.
[07:39] <memo_> OK. I know that the last version of GAIM is 1.1.2. However Synaptic says that there's no updates. :?
[07:39] <MacPlusG3> FLeiXiuS: gentoo's big mistake is compiling everything from scratch
[07:39] <cafuego> FLeiXiuS: I would NOT admit that in public.
[07:39] <pvh> FLeiXiuS: That's cool. There's room for everyone in Linux.
[07:39] <pvh> cafuego: Why be down on him?
[07:39] <cafuego> pvh: Am I?
[07:39] <jdub> memo_: if you're running warty, that's correct. there is a particular version shipped and supported with the final release.
[07:39] <pvh> cafuego: Building software can be fun.
[07:39] <FLeiXiuS> cafuego, Well see, I love debians packaging more then the world, almost as simple as portage.
[07:39] <MacPlusG3> FLeiXiuS: and big mistake with a lot of gentoo users is using every single possible compiler flag on every single package
[07:39] <memo_> Oh.
[07:39] <cafuego> FLeiXiuS: it's simpler.
[07:40] <pvh> cafuego: Maybe I misinterpreted.
[07:40] <FLeiXiuS> cafuego, your damn right it is ;-)
[07:40] <cafuego> pvh: For the first 2 weeks, sure. After 12 years it gets REALLY tedious.
[07:40] <MacPlusG3> there's a joke among a couple of dev communities i've been involved in: when a stange bug comes in, the first question is: "are you running gentoo?"
[07:40] <FLeiXiuS> MacPlusG3, I understand that, but it's something about configuration and understanding where our files are going to be placed that urges us to compile.
[07:41] <ron_frown> blah, anyway...
[07:41] <lifeless> MacPlusG3: its not a joke
[07:41] <Se7h> Away: ( Sleeping ) | Since: ( Thu Jan 27 06:41:01 2005 ) Xlack v1.8-pre2.
[07:41] <FLeiXiuS> MacPlusG3, I'm getting over that with dpkg :-)
[07:41] <ron_frown> I appreciate your advice, rather than "use macosx on mac"
[07:41] <cafuego> FLeiXiuS: See 'dpkg -L <package>'
[07:41] <MacPlusG3> mind you, there are sane gentoo users who use sane compile flags (or even *gasp* binaries) that just like the control they get
[07:41] <ron_frown> dont mess with linux its crap
[07:41] <ron_frown> etc etc etc
[07:41] <Se7h> ups
[07:41] <pvh> ron_frown: You won't hear much linux-bashing in this channel.
[07:41] <ron_frown> I know
[07:41] <meskes> ron_frown: I run Gentoo linux on my Mac.
[07:41] <DonL> I did a stupid thing. How do I get into the application list of stuff that boots automatically in order to erase one item?
[07:41] <embsupafly> Anyone good with printing problems
[07:42] <cafuego> DonL: try 'rcconf'
[07:42] <pvh> ron_frown: OSX is really nice though. I think I would personally stay with it.
[07:42] <ron_frown> I love macosx, but I cant customise the under lying stuff easy enough
[07:42] <pvh> ron_frown: So many really neat features not found in linux
[07:42] <ron_frown> I like gentoo very much
[07:42] <DonL> cafuego, thanks. I will
[07:42] <cafuego> pvh: OSX has one major drawback, which is the lack of native OpenOffice.
[07:42] <MacPlusG3> lifeless: it's a joke because it's true... kind of really black humor. esp when ppl do all this crap to their filesystem
[07:42] <pvh> cafuego: True that.
[07:42] <ron_frown> but I honestly think the install should install some base packages and hanle some of the tedious installer shit itself
[07:42] <ron_frown> instead of no installer
[07:43] <meskes> cafuego: That being true, I rather run something like Office anyway. sad to say.
[07:43] <MacPlusG3> cafuego: and the fact that there's way too much binary only parts
[07:43] <cafuego> meskes: Office is a tad expensive.
[07:43] <ron_frown> iworks looks nice
[07:43] <DonL> cafuego, my machine sees no rcconf
[07:43] <ron_frown> iwork
[07:43] <meskes> cafuego: Not when you have a site licence. ;)
[07:43] <cafuego> DonL: apt-get install rcconf
[07:43] <DonL> Oh. Okay
[07:43] <meskes> Thank god got the Unlimited VLM. ;)
[07:44] <FLeiXiuS> MacPlusG3, How do I put the PPC ISO from a MAC?  Is there a special 'option controll'?
[07:44] <cafuego> meskes: That's not quite the same as having to pay full retail at a shop.
[07:44] <ficusplanet> oo.org2.0 seems really nice so far.
[07:44] <FLeiXiuS> put == boot *
[07:44] <meskes> cafuego: true. heh
[07:44] <cafuego> for $1000 I can buy 1) Office or 2) two new linux boxen running OO.org
[07:44] <MacPlusG3> FLeiXiuS: burn ISO image to CD, hold down 'c' while booting the mac and it'll boot off the CD
[07:45] <ron_frown> oo.org?
[07:45] <FLeiXiuS> MacPlusG3, I knew there was a trick some where along the lines..there is a special PPC ISO correct?
[07:45] <ficusplanet> open office.org
[07:45] <MacPlusG3> cafuego: i prefer 'one good linux box and a year's supply of good beer'
[07:45] <K-Rich> anyone care to help me print to a windows printer ?
[07:45] <meskes> Man, I thought xmms would stream from my Samba server. Im glad I found out that Rythmbox does, and I think Im starting to like it better anyway.
[07:45] <MacPlusG3> FLeiXiuS: yeah, there's the powerpc iso. you can get it easily from the download page
[07:45] <cafuego> MacPlusG3: s/beer/vodka/ and I'm with ya
[07:45] <ron_frown> unless you are lucky like
[07:45] <ron_frown> me
[07:45] <ron_frown> my isp capped my download at 30 something k/sec
[07:45] <ron_frown> oh god that was a miserable download
[07:45] <pvh> meskes: I had to install amaroK, myself.
[07:46] <ron_frown> my buddy on a ds3 was downloading at amazing speeds
[07:46] <pvh> meskes: I really wanted to try and do without any KDE stuff, but amarok is just so wonderful.
[07:46] <FLeiXiuS> ron_frown, Comcast just upped my speeds to 4Mbps Down / 768Kbps Up
[07:46] <ron_frown> I supposedly have 3mb down speed
[07:46] <ron_frown> couldnt get faster than 40k/sec
[07:46] <K-Rich> ficusplanet: i tried what you said earlyer about printing to the windows shared printer but i get an error when i do 'NT_BAD_NETWORK_NAME'
[07:46] <ficusplanet> jdub, Speaking of great music players, do you know if you guys are going to package muine for hoary?
[07:46] <jdub> it's in universe
[07:46] <ron_frown> I should be capable of at least a couple hundred right?
[07:47] <pvh> jdub: It always is.
[07:47] <cafuego> ron_frown: 320-ish Kb/sec yeah
[07:47] <pvh> meskes: That's not the tragically hip.
[07:47] <ron_frown> not even close =)
[07:47] <ficusplanet> jdub, Awesome!  You've made my day/night wasted on irc.
[07:47] <cafuego> ron_frown: Just depends on the remote server
[07:47] <ron_frown> I will call em and bitch em out
[07:47] <DonL> K-Rich, if you ever get that printer working please let me know
[07:47] <meskes> pvh: um, sounds like them to me
[07:47] <pvh> meskes: That's Gord Downie's solo project, iirc.
[07:47] <ron_frown> no my buddy was on a ds3 but he was getting 670ks/ec
[07:47] <meskes> pvh: then that would explain it. heh
[07:47] <FLeiXiuS> Are there any good DVD rippers out there for linux?
[07:48] <pvh> meskes: Or am I getting it confused with "When are you thinking of disappearing"?
[07:48] <meskes> pvh: You are.
[07:48] <DonL> I can print a mean test page now, but I can't get any of my apps to do it
[07:48] <ficusplanet> FLeiXiuS, thoggen and ogmrip.
[07:48] <MacPlusG3> FLeiXiuS: there's a project called 'dvdripper' or something really simple like that. but (insert disclaimer about copyright)
[07:48] <pvh> meskes: Well, colour me stupid.
[07:48] <ron_frown> havent messed with linux in a while, printing got better I hope
[07:48] <meskes> pvh: heh, no ones perfect.
[07:48] <pvh> meskes: It can be hard to tell In this Violet Light.
[07:48] <ron_frown> it was absolute garbage before
[07:48] <jdub> ron_frown: keep it nice please
[07:49] <FLeiXiuS> ficusplanet, MacPlusG3 thankyou :-)
[07:49] <meskes> pvh: Heh, Ive Silver Jet playing now. speak of the devil.
[07:49] <ficusplanet> np
[07:49] <K-Rich> rather desperate here... need to make another Ubuntu T-Shirt for a giveaway at the next LUG meeting :)
[07:49] <FLeiXiuS> I wish only that I could get gdesklets working, hasn't worked in ages for me.
[07:50] <meskes> FLeiXiuS: they're over-rated anywat.
[07:50] <meskes> anyway, that is
[07:50] <FLeiXiuS> meskes, but of course, I like displays ;-)
[07:50] <DonL> K-Rich, maybe I have to play with Mozilla and Open Office to get them to work with the printer, but I didnt' have to before. I just don't understand
[07:50] <K-Rich> FLeiXiuS: i tried last night with warty myself with no luck... got errors whenever i clicked a .display
[07:50] <meskes> FLeiXiuS: I like the plain 'ol boring desktops.
[07:51] <FLeiXiuS> meskes, as do I, I loved the whole MacOSX menu bar feel.
[07:51] <K-Rich> DonL: errr.... my printer works, i just want to print to the windows printer
[07:51] <pvh> meskes: Was their last album worth getting? When the first single is called "Vaccination Scar" it's hard to get motivated.
[07:51] <DonL> Same here
[07:51] <meskes> pvh: Its ok.
[07:51] <DonL> But I don't have a printer hooked up to this computer. Just my wife's XP
[07:52] <meskes> pvh: I like the other shit, like 100th Meridian and whatnot.
[07:52] <meskes> s/other/older
[07:52] <pvh> meskes: I think The Weakerthans deserve their throne now.
[07:52] <meskes> heh
[07:52] <pvh> meskes: Or rather, are good successors to the throne.
[07:53] <K-Rich> DonL: i have an HP Laserjet 3... works great, my dad (XP user) has an HP Deskjet 3820 i can't seem to print to ...
[07:53] <meskes> I found a badass CD lastnight.... The Best of Testament. Had to get it.
[07:53] <FLeiXiuS> meskes, I'm still very happy with my NYC Underground Mix with Oakenford
[07:54] <fhobia> how come ubuntu manual setup allows you to get by without setting up a swap space ?
[07:54] <K-Rich> oh well, the lan works now so i can copy and have him print lol
[07:54] <K-Rich> fhobia: swap isn't required... just suggested.... i have 2GB ram... think i need swap for a desktop?
[07:54] <meskes> FLeiXiuS: I dont really care for Oakenford.
[07:55] <DonL> K-Rich, what's happening here is we have one printer in three computers, a router, and the printer's hooked up to an XP on the network. I had it printing from my linux box when I was running Fedora, and Mandrake, so I know it's possible. I've finally got it printing a Ubuntu test page, but none of my applications will print for some reason
[07:55] <FLeiXiuS> meskes, Anything out there with hard progressive house is fine with me
[07:55] <fhobia> K-Rich: i don't know :/
[07:55] <fhobia> K-Rich: by your answer, no
[07:55] <Sye> man prelink
[07:55] <meskes> Im rather into Ambient.
[07:55] <meskes> Prelink? Why thats somewhat evil...
[07:55] <FLeiXiuS> meskes, Eh, were all different!
[07:56] <K-Rich> DonL: odd... i had issues with mozilla here then installed xprt-xprintorg
[07:57] <DonL> K-Rich, lemme see. I think I did that. Right back
[07:57] <DonL> Yup did that
[07:57] <meskes> I have to take a crap.
[07:58] <DonL> Hope everything comes out okay
[07:58] <FLeiXiuS> Have fun dropping the friends off a tthe pool
[07:58] <meskes> I have a laptop, I can take you all with me.
[07:58] <FLeiXiuS> Why thankyou
[07:59] <DonL> Good thing this doesn't have smell sensors yet
[07:59] <meskes> DonL: Oh dude, my house will be pissed though
[07:59] <DonL> lol
[08:00] <DonL> Well, beddy byes for me. See ya later
[08:00] <cafuego> xprint is SATAN
[08:01] <cafuego> If Ubuntu makde mozilla default to xprint, I'm switching back to Debian proper.
[08:02] <daniels> ubuntu does not support xprint, full stop
[08:03] <meskes> xprint is evil. Give me CUPS or die.
[08:03] <FLeiXiuS> CUPS > All :-)
[08:04] <cafuego> Xprint makes netbank crash (CBA)
[08:04] <K-Rich> DonL: i think i lost more hair on this tonight than i have in the last year combined lol
[08:05] <|Kyle|> I guess that there's no way to import Thunderbird email from windows to linux?
[08:05] <kakalto> yeah there is
[08:05] <kakalto> but
[08:06] <cafuego> |Kyle|: Just copy the profile folder
[08:06] <|Kyle|> :o
[08:06] <kakalto> and if that doesn't work, go on irc.mozilla.org #thunderbird
[08:06] <|Kyle|> That's another thing I wanted to ask, how do I access my windows partitions? :?
[08:06] <kakalto> ntfs or vfat?
[08:06] <poningru> kyle it also depends on what you are using
[08:06] <calc> you can definitely do it, but how much work it is i don't know
[08:06] <kakalto> go onto www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:06] <poningru> imap or pop?
[08:07] <|Kyle|> pop
[08:07] <calc> i have used windows thunderbird to convert outlook email to mbox then on linux imported that into evolution
[08:07] <cafuego> ntfs/vfat are both readable, shouldn't be an issue.
[08:07] <calc> once its in mbox format you can import it into just about anything
[08:07] <poningru> yeah just transfer over your entire profile folder
[08:07] <|Kyle|> but where are they?
[08:07] <kakalto> but they do have different settings...
[08:07] <kakalto> Kyle, depends on your windows version
[08:07] <kakalto> on xp, it's under documents and settings
[08:07] <cafuego> |Kyle|: Documents & Settings/User/Application Data/ ...
[08:07] <|Kyle|> no, I mean, where are my partitions :P
[08:08] <cafuego> Possibly  aLOcal Settings in between there
[08:08] <|Kyle|> I still don't understand linux filesystem
[08:08] <cafuego> |Kyle|: On the disk ;-)
[08:08] <kakalto> |Kyle|; www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:08] <kakalto> if that's the right link, it's very useful :D
[08:08] <|Kyle|> *checks the site*
[08:08] <kakalto> it is correct
[08:09] <cafuego> |Kyle|: if you run 'fdisk -l' it will list your partitions.
[08:09] <kakalto> there's a section there on windows partitions
[08:09] <poningru> if you dont like command line
[08:09] <poningru> use qtparted
[08:09] <poningru> or qparted
[08:09] <poningru> sorry
[08:09] <poningru> heh
[08:09] <meskes> poningru: if you dont like CLI, you shouldnt be using linux
[08:09] <kakalto> I was just going to say the same thing
[08:09] <FLeiXiuS> meskes, beat me to it
[08:09] <meskes> :D
[08:09] <MacPlusG3> meskes: not true, my mother uses linux for everything and doesn't touch cli
[08:10] <kakalto> depends on the version
[08:10] <kakalto> if it's mandrake, fine
[08:10] <poningru> meskes: thats not true
[08:10] <kakalto> if it's slackware...
[08:10] <poningru> yeah even ubuntu
[08:10] <meskes> MacPlusG3: there is the execption to the rule. but Im sure she is not the admin of said box, MacPlusG3
[08:10] <poningru> the cli is minimal
[08:10] <FLeiXiuS> It would mainly depend on how well the system is configured..
[08:10] <poningru> lets not get into this argument
[08:11] <meskes> Im old school I guess, I prefer CLI
[08:11] <MacPlusG3> meskes: yeap. the only things i've ever done are: install (although she did the previous fedora install), install wifi card
[08:11] <poningru> this horse has been beaten black and blue in slashdot
[08:11] <FLeiXiuS> meskes, as I am also lol..learned it well from remote management terminals..
[08:11] <poningru> yeah I am learning
[08:11] <meskes> ;)
[08:11] <poningru> the only thing I am trying to figure out is iptables
[08:14] <|Kyle|> So, there's no way to actually browse the partitions using a GUI?
[08:14] <meskes> You know, I should use my correct nick come to think of it.
[08:15] <syn-ack> ah, thats better.
[08:15] <K-Rich> outages are evil
[08:16] <|Kyle|> Oh, I have to mount it to use it...
[08:16] <poningru> kyle: what did I just say
[08:16] <poningru> qparted
[08:16] <poningru> hold on
[08:17] <poningru> http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/
[08:17] <|Kyle|> Yay, I actually mounted it :O
[08:18] <|Kyle|> Partition Magic clone? where was this when I screwed up windows some months ago! D:
[08:18] <syn-ack> root@Laptop:~ # mount | grep /dev/hda
[08:18] <syn-ack> /dev/hda3 on / type reiserfs (rw,commit=0)
[08:18] <poningru> sigh
[08:18] <syn-ack> thats all I need.
[08:18] <lifeless> |Kyle|: just parted will do
[08:18] <|Kyle|> Thanks.
[08:18] <syn-ack> or even cfdisk
[08:18] <poningru> or even just a command line
[08:18] <poningru> whats your point?
[08:18] <|Kyle|> I'm using command line
[08:19] <poningru> good for you dude
[08:19] <poningru> honestly
[08:19] <|Kyle|> I didn't found any other way to do it :P
[08:19] <syn-ack> thats a curses based partioner, nice frontend to fdisk, Kyle
[08:19] <|Kyle|> I guess that Linux will make me refresh my google skills.
[08:19] <syn-ack> |Kyle|: See you're learning already.
[08:19] <poningru> I wished that I had foresight to just use cli all the time instead of all this stuff
[08:20] <|Kyle|> Be right back.
[08:20] <duelike> Hi All, any body have any experience with SMB printer ?
[08:20] <duelike> I (still) can not connect and use SMB printer
[08:20] <syn-ack> Personally, thats the way I think everyone needs to learn linux first. To hell with all the GUI stuff.
[08:21] <poningru> syn-ack: you ever think about reserf4?
[08:21] <poningru> I am looking into it
[08:21] <poningru> what do you think?
[08:21] <syn-ack> poningru: hell no, too unstable ATM
[08:21] <poningru> yeah thats what I heard too but so many people swear by it
[08:21] <syn-ack> poningru: Im going to give it another year or so.
[08:21] <poningru> woah that long?
[08:22] <poningru> thought was supposed to be ~stable around summer
[08:22] <syn-ack> poningru: I want to know my FS is a rock before I commit to it
[08:22] <poningru> yeah thats true
[08:23] <syn-ack> poningru: I *STILL* use a /boot/ partition with ext2 on it.
[08:23] <syn-ack> /dev/hda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw)
[08:28] <brc_> upgraded to hoary from a clean warty install...now my taskbar buttons have shrunk so they just show the first letter of the app name...
[08:29] <brc_> I can't seem to figure out where to change this
[08:30] <K-Rich> rhythm box is cool
[08:31] <K-Rich> i like it better than xmms :P
[08:32] <Heinz> xmms rocks :-)
[08:32] <wm_eddie> or it doesn't!
[08:33] <pvh> brc_: Right click in some of the empty space and go to preferences.
[08:33] <kakalto> rhythm box is good.
[08:33] <kakalto> mostly the song library
[08:33] <brc_> pvh, I only see properties...which doesn't seem to have anything related to this in it
[08:34] <Heinz> i want to install gdesklets, but, i remember that .. i have to install a extra *.deb for gdesklets that has all the displays
[08:34] <Heinz> someone remember the package?
[08:35] <K-Rich> doesn't
[08:35] <K-Rich> :P
[08:35] <bur[n] er> Heinz: apt-cache search gdesklets
[08:35] <Heinz> lol sniff :S
[08:35] <pvh> brc_: Create an odd number of windows.
[08:35] <bur[n] er> gdesklets-data :P
[08:35] <Heinz> hohoh
[08:35] <Heinz> data
[08:35] <Heinz> yup
[08:35] <pvh> brc_: Try right clicking in a gap between them.
[08:35] <K-Rich> Heinz: in warty it seems borked :/
[08:35] <pvh> brc_: You'll know you have it when you get a different context menu from either right-clicking a window or right-clicking the usual panel.
[08:36] <brc_> pvh, found it
[08:36] <Heinz> bur[n] er, thank you so much for the tip. :-)  K-Rich :  :P
[08:36] <bur[n] er> np
[08:36] <pvh> brc_: The first option will be "preferences", not "add to panel"
[08:36] <brc_> aha, if you right click on the shaded area on the far left, right of the show desktop icon...
[08:36] <pvh> brc_: There you go.
[08:36] <brc_> yup I found the size tab
[08:37] <brc_> seems like it would make a lot of sense to have the preferences option listed no matter where you rightclick
[08:37] <brc_> I suppose that's a gnome thing
[08:37] <ron_frown> I gotta say ubuntu really couldnt be an easier install
[08:37] <syn-ack> what is?
[08:37] <Heinz> time to sleep
[08:37] <Heinz> cya and thanks
[08:37] <enntee> Is Hoary in a pretty useable state?
[08:37] <ron_frown> hopefully this time through it all works good
[08:37] <jdub> enntee: yes.
[08:37] <syn-ack> enntee: Im using it.
[08:37] <brc_> enntee, seems to work for me
[08:38] <enntee> well i hope you're all satisfied, i'm installing it.
[08:38] <jdub> GO GO GO!
[08:38] <ron_frown> I can download 2.6.10 and just make menuconfig and install it?
[08:38] <jdub> alternatively, you could test the livecd
[08:38] <jdub> ron_frown: why bother?
[08:38] <syn-ack> ron_frown: just install the image?
[08:38] <brc_> pvh, the minimum size was set to 50, and the max to 4096....but it seemed to be using the minimum size even though I only had 3 windows open....any idea why?
[08:38] <ron_frown> umm, is it compiled with little/no functionality compiled in, and just load all the modules I want
[08:38] <ron_frown> ?
[08:39] <K-Rich> damn, manual.gimp.org is down :/
[08:39] <ron_frown> is that how kernel modules work/
[08:39] <ron_frown> er ubuntus kernel images?
[08:39] <jdub> of course
[08:39] <syn-ack> K-Rich: www.azcomputercentral.com ... I have a whole book on the GIMP there.
[08:39] <brc_> this is odd
[08:40] <brc_> seems it went below the minimum size when I opened a bunch of firefox windows
[08:40] <bur[n] er> quick question... to upgrade an ubuntu kernel... is it just "apt-get install linux-image-2.6-386"
[08:40] <syn-ack> K-Rich: LITTERALLY a whole book.
[08:40] <brc_> syn-ack, you from phx area?
[08:40] <jdub> bur[n] er: easier to install linux-386, linux-686, linux-k7, etc.
[08:40] <syn-ack> brc_: Tucson.
[08:40] <bur[n] er> jdub: no menu.lst editing or anythign else right?
[08:40] <ron_frown> az is too damn hot
[08:40] <jdub> bur[n] er: those meta packages end up depending on the current latest kernel
[08:40] <brc_> it's awesome this time of year
[08:40] <jdub> bur[n] er: hell no ;)
[08:40] <brc_> we got a bunch of rain today
[08:40] <ron_frown> 1though I'd rather have heat than weather we had today
[08:41] <syn-ack> aha, brc_ Im actually getting ready to move to Kansas City.
[08:41] <syn-ack> brc_: We did too.
[08:41] <ron_frown> rain, and shit
[08:41] <ron_frown> of course last month we had 4weeks of rain
[08:41] <bur[n] er> right on... i've never installed a kernel like that :)  thanks jdub
[08:41] <ron_frown> which is bizarre for cali
[08:41] <brc_> damnit!
[08:41] <brc_> these taskbar icons are acting really strange
[08:42] <K-Rich> syn-ack: i have that bookmarked (or the link from the gimp site)
[08:42] <K-Rich> syn-ack: Your in AZ ?
[08:42] <syn-ack> K-Rich: yes.
[08:42] <syn-ack> K-Rich: Tucson.
[08:42] <brc_> it seems to work properly with max size when I have only one window open, but as soon as I open a second window it goes to min size
[08:43] <K-Rich> brc_: Your in Az too ?
[08:44] <brc_> K-Rich, yep
[08:44] <brc_> K-Rich, what part?
[08:44] <syn-ack> WTF? Gnome 2.8 doesnt have the weatherapplet anymore?
[08:44] <bur[n] er> my gnome 2.8 does :)
[08:44] <|Kyle|> Uhm... No Thunderbird 1.0?
[08:44] <syn-ack> mine doesnt. :(
[08:45] <syn-ack> K-Rich: So, which part of the start are you from?
[08:46] <syn-ack> state, that is
[08:48] <brc_> K-Rich, what part of AZ are you from?
[08:48] <brc_> er...dupe
[08:49] <ron_frown> yay try 2 with ubuntu actually worked
[08:49] <ron_frown> I wonder if it left my osx partitions in tact
[08:49] <ron_frown> so warty is old, hoary is new?
[08:49] <bur[n] er> yes
[08:50] <ron_frown> when hoary gets more stable, will it be fairly easy to upgrade?
[08:50] <syn-ack> ron_frown: Warty is like Debian Stable.
[08:50] <bur[n] er> hoary is not 'officially' released until ~ april
[08:50] <jdub> ron_frown: warty is released, hoary is under development
[08:50] <jdub> ron_frown: cinchy
[08:50] <ron_frown> coo
[08:50] <jdub> bur[n] er: "~"? THERE IS NO MAYBE.
[08:50] <|Kyle|> Is there any good image browser for linux?
[08:50] <brc_> syn-ack, warty is a far cry from woody....
[08:50] <brc_> :p
[08:51] <ron_frown> woody
[08:51] <whiprush> |Kyle|: try gthumb.
[08:51] <ron_frown> they should name a distro schlong
[08:51] <syn-ack> brc_: well yea, thats why I said "like" its the production distro. :p
[08:51] <bur[n] er> ~ == around/about april ;)
[08:51] <bur[n] er> i wasn't sure timing
[08:51] <brc_> heh
[08:51] <brc_> GAH!
[08:52] <syn-ack> ron_frown: you have issuse.
[08:52] <|Kyle|> OK, thanks. And an updated movie player (DivX, XviD, etc)?
[08:52] <syn-ack> and thats bad coming from me.
[08:52] <brc_> installed kde from universe to see what it's like and now konqueror has decided to take over as default browser
[08:52] <syn-ack> |Kyle|: um mplayer, totem, xine....
[08:52] <ron_frown> I was drunk and tired, and typed genitals instead of gentoo
[08:52] <ron_frown> figured might as well leave it
[08:52] <bur[n] er> |Kyle|: check wiki for "UnrestristedFormats"
[08:52] <|Kyle|> OK. Thanks, again.
[08:52] <bur[n] er> er... "RestrictedFormats" maybe
[08:52] <brc_> ahh how nice
[08:52] <kakalto> lol
[08:52] <brc_> prefered applicatiosn
[08:53] <kakalto> |Kyle| go into www.ubuntuguide.org for how to install codecs
[08:53] <brc_> any hints how I"d go about removing konqueror from the right click on url menu in xchat?
[08:54] <|Kyle|> Reading...
[08:54] <brc_> (other then removing it entirely)
[08:54] <syn-ack> brc_: use irssi. ;)
[08:54] <syn-ack> brc_: and Gnome-terminal.
[08:54] <brc_> GAK!
[08:54] <brc_> bitchx > irssi!
[08:54] <ron_frown> I like xfce4
[08:54] <syn-ack> um GAG
[08:55] <ron_frown> I'd rather use that then gnome as a wm
[08:55] <syn-ack> ron_frown: Its ok
[08:55] <ron_frown> I like how its very simple
[08:55] <brc_> the more contorted confusing dangerous commands the better man!
[08:55] <ron_frown> yet still usable etc
[08:55] <K-Rich> I'm up in Show Low
[08:55] <syn-ack> K-Rich: no shit? where at up there?
[08:55] <syn-ack> I used to live up there...
[08:56] <|Kyle|> last question for a while... Any change of installing updated versions of software?
[08:56] <syn-ack> I used to live off of Reid Head...
[08:56] <syn-ack> K-Rich: man 5 apt-get
[08:56] <K-Rich> syn-ack: actually out towards Concho, but Show Low is closer :)
[08:56] <|Kyle|> Does http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ work? :?
[08:57] <syn-ack> Concho? OMG my grandma lives off of Concho and Hay Hollow!
[08:57] <syn-ack> K-Rich: in Snowflake Heights basically.
[08:58] <HrdwrBoB> |Kyle|: not very well
[08:58] <HrdwrBoB> |Kyle|: the version numbers are incorrect and will stop your system from being upgraded correctly
[08:58] <|Kyle|> =(
[08:59] <|Kyle|> So there's no way to update?
[08:59] <syn-ack> |Kyle|: man sources.list.
[08:59] <syn-ack> |Kyle|: come on, check out the wiki if need be...
[09:00] <HrdwrBoB> |Kyle|: you can update to warty (unstable)
[09:00] <HrdwrBoB> er hoary
[09:00] <|Kyle|> I'll check. It's just that everything it's a little too overwhelming. I'm a hardcore windows user :P.
[09:01] <syn-ack> |Kyle|: I can tell.
[09:01] <HrdwrBoB> btw everybody
[09:01] <HrdwrBoB> I just realised I'm an idiot
[09:01] <bur[n] er> |Kyle|: read stuff ;)
[09:01] <HrdwrBoB> coldfusion won't run on a 64 bit system
[09:01] <syn-ack> HrdwrBoB: ouch.
[09:01] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[09:01] <HrdwrBoB> well - the version I have
[09:01] <HrdwrBoB> which is old
[09:02] <syn-ack> kicks, that is
[09:03] <guptan> how can I mount my  usb disk, if it is giving error "/dev/sda1 is not a valid block device" on mount command
[09:03] <syn-ack> guptan: are you specifying the FS?
[09:04] <guptan> no
[09:04] <K-Rich> syn-ack: i'm in the middle of starting a LUG up here :)
[09:05] <guptan> syn-ack, just mount /dev/sda1 /mount/location
[09:05] <syn-ack> K-Rich: Damn man, where where you when I was thinking of living up there? I was thinking of moving up there and putting that little computer shop on Duce of clubs out of business.
[09:05] <syn-ack> guptan: one sec...
[09:07] <K-Rich> syn-ack: i've been here for 13 years now
[09:08] <syn-ack> guptan: here, check this out. http://tlug.up.ac.za/csslug/usb_devices.html
[09:08] <syn-ack> K-Rich: I lived up there 16 years ago. heh
[09:09] <syn-ack> hrm.
[09:09] <syn-ack> fonts in firefox b0rk and now look like crap. :/
[09:09] <guptan> syn-ack, I was wondering, do I need to modprobe any modules for usb disc?
[09:10] <Peter> i restarted ubuntu and now gnome didnt start, so i just have a terminal window showing... how would i launch gnome?
[09:11] <syn-ack> guptan: if they dont load by hotplug, yes.
[09:12] <PWM> Peter, I'm a total n00b, but try "startx" and press enter
[09:12] <insanekane> hi, are there any text editors simpler than gedit with ubuntu ? i need to test some patches to pango ...
[09:12] <Peter> command not found
[09:12] <PWM> hmm, like I said, I'm very new with linux :)
[09:14] <Peter> whats the apt get to install gnome again?
[09:15] <insanekane> Peter, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ?
[09:29] <kakalto> for some reason my totem media player won't show the visuals on my avi's...
[09:30] <kakalto> but it was working a few days ago
[09:36] <kakalto> anyone?
[09:37] <HrdwrBoB> yo
[09:37] <kakalto> could you help me?
[09:37] <TongMaster> kakalto, sudo dpkg -l | grep totem
[09:37] <kakalto> totem isn't showing the visuals on my avi's
[09:37] <kakalto> okie
[09:38] <TongMaster> dump the result here.
[09:38] <kakalto> rc  totem-gstreame 0.99.19-0ubunt A simple media player for the Gnome desktop
[09:38] <kakalto> ii  totem-xine     0.99.19-0ubunt A simple media player for the Gnome desktop
[09:39] <kakalto> ...and?
[09:40] <syn-ack> Man, I love Rythmbox
[09:41] <kakalto> dude, rhythm-box won't play avi's
[09:42] <pybe> kakalto: try sudo apt-get install gstreamer-plugins
[09:42] <TongMaster> kakalto, just making sure you had the good totem package and you do.
[09:43] <kakalto> pybe, they were playing a few days ago
[09:43] <pybe> kakalto: oh
[09:43] <kakalto> :)
[09:43] <pybe> same ones?
[09:43] <kakalto> yes
[09:43] <kakalto> or atleast I've tried the same ones
[09:43] <kakalto> aswell as others
[09:43] <pybe> you got w32codec installed?
[09:44] <kakalto> how else could I watch avi's
[09:44] <kakalto> ?
[09:44] <kakalto> yes
[09:44] <kakalto> of course
[09:44] <kakalto> I watched 11 episodes of Naruto
[09:44] <kakalto> this is random
[09:45] <pybe> does it eror or blue screen or what
[09:45] <kakalto> I closed it, and just opened it again
[09:45] <kakalto> blue screen
[09:45] <kakalto> but now it's working
[09:45] <kakalto> very strange.
[09:45] <kakalto> thanks anyway
[09:45] <pybe> kakalto: if you run it from a terminal it might give you an idea of what error its giving
[09:45] <pybe> oh
[09:46] <pybe> there is nothing worse than an intermittant problem
[09:46] <kakalto> maybe I just need to open it, close it, open it again if I need it to work :)
[09:46] <pybe> heh
[09:47] <kakalto> as much as I'd like to get to the bottom of this, I can't be bothered right now
[09:47] <kakalto> I'll watch one more ep then crash
[09:48] <pybe> know the feeling
[09:48] <kakalto> :)
[09:48] <MrTrick> hello
[09:49] <sacker> Hello MrTrick
[09:49] <syn-ack> HAHA. I just found a bug in the latest Rythmbox package.
[09:49] <guptan> i'm always getting /dev/sda1 not a valid block device, when mounting usb disk, is there any module to load b4 mounting?
[09:49] <MrTrick> hi sacker
[09:49] <kakalto> amazing
[09:49] <syn-ack> its showing every mp3 in the title bar as being paused even though its playing.
[09:49] <kakalto> I'm not the only person to use a sata hdd
[09:49] <MrTrick> syn-ack, solution is 'apt-get install xmms' :-)
[09:51] <HrdwrBoB> guptan: how are you mounting it
[09:51] <guptan> HrdwrBoB,  mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1/
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> guptan: you can mount it using pmount /dev/sda1
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> as your use
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> user
[09:54] <K-Rich> night all
[09:55] <syn-ack> MrTrick: It doesnt connect to samba shares.
[09:55] <MrTrick> I'm a little confused about ubuntu's root account... If I click on the 'root terminal' in the gnome menu, the password is the same as my user account, but if I type 'su' from a normal terminal, I can't access the root account with that password (no idea what it's supposed to be)
[09:55] <guptan> HrdwrBoB, pmount, command not found
[09:55] <syn-ack> MrTrick: welcome to Sudo
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> MrTrick: what you want is 'sudo'
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> MrTrick: there is no root password
[09:55] <MrTrick> syn-ack, ah, ok. (not even if it's mounted to a conventional point on the filesystem?)
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> guptan: you are using ubuntu?
[09:55] <sacker> You can go into the root terminal and type passwd and change the root password to something other then your normal user password
[09:56] <MrTrick> syn-ack, HrdwrBob: Ahh, ok then.
[09:56] <HrdwrBoB> MrTrick: sudo runs commands as root
[09:56] <HrdwrBoB> eg: sudo apt-get update
[09:56] <HrdwrBoB> it rocks
[09:56] <MrTrick> I see.
[09:56] <HrdwrBoB> if you need a shell, sudo -s
[09:56] <guptan> no right now on debian
[09:56] <HrdwrBoB> ah ok, that explains why no pmount
[09:56] <guptan> heh
[09:56] <guptan> sorry
[09:56] <HrdwrBoB> guptan: install ubuntu :)
[09:57] <guptan> i have it already
[09:57] <MrTrick> One thing that annoys me is that to edit a conf file, there's no 'edit as root' option in the GUI
[09:57] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu automounts usb storage :)
[09:57] <guptan> i was just testing this one for my friend
[09:57] <guptan> HrdwrBoB, i know
[09:57] <HrdwrBoB> MrTrick: you can add one with nautilus scripts :)
[09:57] <brc_> I should try that (automount)
[09:57] <brc_> just got a new usbkey too
[09:57] <MrTrick> HrdwrBoB, is there a wiki entry on that?
[09:57] <HrdwrBoB> MrTrick: search for nautilus scripts on the ubuntu website
[09:57] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[09:57] <MrTrick> ah, thanks
[09:59] <guptan> HrdwrBoB, I can actually see usb disk entry in lsusb: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 8341:2000 EGO Systems, Inc. Flashdisk
[09:59] <brc_> woot!
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> guptan: dmesg will report the partition table etc
[09:59] <brc_> it worked! automagically!
[10:00] <HrdwrBoB> brc_: :)
[10:00] <HrdwrBoB> how about that!
[10:00] <brc_> 'spose I should mount my ntfs drives now
[10:00] <brc_> gotta figure out how to get the captive driver working
[10:05] <sacker> Cool My usbkey automounts too :-)
[10:09] <ephic> how would i set the root password in the root terminal?
[10:10] <bob2> you wouldn't, since you have sudo
[10:10] <bob2> this is in the FAQ
[10:10] <ephic> oh..
[10:10] <ephic> i see
[10:10] <ephic> lol
[10:10] <ephic> well how do i log into root then
[10:10] <ephic> is there a password?
[10:10] <bob2> no
[10:10] <bob2> please read the FAQ
[10:11] <ephic> ah damn k
[10:11] <MrTrick> HrdwrBoB, it worked, I can now see the 'edit as root' script in the context menu...
[10:11] <MrTrick> Is there any way to move it into the main context menu, not in the 'scripts' subfolder?
[10:12] <HrdwrBoB> MrTrick: I don't think so
[10:12] <MrTrick> Okay, ah well, it's better than opening up a root terminal every time I wanted to edit it.
[10:12] <HrdwrBoB> ephic: sudo 'command' runs command as root
[10:12] <HrdwrBoB> yeah, the scripts are handy
[10:12] <syn-ack> bob2: pfft. I still use su . :p
[10:13] <syn-ack> bob2: I do not trust nor believe in Sudo. :p
[10:13] <Agrajag> what
[10:13] <ephic> man.. that whole wt happened to root" isnt in faq
[10:14] <syn-ack> ephic: sure it is.
[10:14] <HrdwrBoB> syn-ack: you don't trust sudo...
[10:14] <ephic> im not seeing it
[10:14] <Desdraftlit> yoo
[10:14] <Desdraftlit> whas up peeps
[10:14] <ephic> i dont trust sudo
[10:15] <syn-ack> HrdwrBoB: no I dont. I dont let ANYONE have access to root not with su / - nor sudo. they dont need it.
[10:15] <HrdwrBoB> um
[10:15] <HrdwrBoB> yes but the anyone is you
[10:15] <HrdwrBoB> that's the whole point
[10:15] <syn-ack> not in my deployments.
[10:15] <Zindar> ehh... don't "trust" sudo? ... ehhh :)
[10:15] <HrdwrBoB> make another account without sudo acecss
[10:15] <HrdwrBoB> there's nothing wrong with sudo
[10:16] <syn-ack> Anyway, thats neither here nor there ATM
[10:16] <brc_> ha.
[10:16] <syn-ack> just filed a cosmetic bugreport on Rhythmbox.
[10:17] <syn-ack> HrdwrBoB: I would rather have a wheel account actually.
[10:17] <syn-ack> s/account/group...
[10:17] <HrdwrBoB> wheel group is coming
[10:17] <syn-ack> HrdwrBoB: heh
[10:18] <MrTrick> argh, still no luck with smb.conf
[10:18] <abelli> can someone point me to a script for printing pdfs?
[10:19] <MrTrick> Question: If smb.conf has 'hosts allow = $only my subnet', do I have to worry about authentication etc?
[10:19] <HrdwrBoB> abelli: hmm?
[10:20] <Zindar> abelli: pdf2ps file.pdf | lpr <-- or something like it
[10:20] <ephic> ok uhh..
[10:20] <ephic> so when i goto root terminal..
[10:20] <ephic> it asks for password.
[10:20] <MrTrick> ephic, same as your user account's...
[10:21] <abelli> Zindar: i need to print multiple pages on the same face
[10:21] <Zindar> abelli: pdf2ps file.pdf - | lpr <-- more like it
[10:21] <ephic> but see i dont even have a password for root..
[10:21] <ephic> because its not the same
[10:21] <Zindar> ephic: type your own password
[10:21] <ephic> i know its not the same
[10:21] <abelli> Zindar: this way how can i print 2 pages on the same face?
[10:21] <ephic> thats what i was saying
[10:21] <Zindar> abelli: mpage -2 is one way
[10:21] <HrdwrBoB> ephic: root doesn't have a password
[10:22] <ephic> i tried no password as well
[10:22] <Agrajag> ephic: it wants the password you used to log in
[10:22] <ephic> i know
[10:22] <ephic> im sayin i typed that
[10:22] <ephic> it didnt work
[10:22] <ephic> wait
[10:22] <ephic> i must have set it
[10:22] <ephic> lol shit, i got it
[10:22] <ephic> thanks
[10:22] <syn-ack> ephic: its not going to work.
[10:22] <ephic> im in root
[10:23] <MrTrick> anybody somewhat confident with tricksy smb.conf problems?
[10:23] <ephic> you can  set a password for root
[10:23] <syn-ack> ephic: I am quite aware of that.
[10:23] <ephic> im just sayin, you can just ignore sudo
[10:24] <syn-ack> its 0224 Im going to bed.
[10:25] <HrdwrBoB> night
[10:25] <MrTrick> argh, stupid non-problem
[10:25] <MrTrick> gnight syn-ack
[10:25] <syn-ack> HrdwrBoB: g'night
[10:25] <syn-ack> MrTrick && *
[10:25] <ephic> any gui c++ compilers come with ubuntu?
[10:26] <MrTrick> hmmm, smb.conf is good now!
[10:26] <MrTrick> but, I can't view the samba shares with the 'Network' button in the gnome menu.
[10:27] <MrTrick> 'network:///' in nautilus shows 'Windows Network', but clicking on that doesn't show any subfolders... any ideas?
[10:28] <MrTrick> there should definitely be some, it works fine on the winbox. (including browsing the samba shares on the ubuntu box)
[10:28] <topyli> MrTrick: ah, your samba adventure continues :)
[10:29] <MrTrick> topyli, indeed.
[10:30] <MrTrick> I can now access the shared drives on this box in a platform independent manner (doesn't matter if booted to Win or Ubuntu)
[10:30] <MrTrick> But...
[10:30] <MrTrick> I can't see anything from the file browser on ubunti
[10:30] <MrTrick> *u
[10:31] <topyli> MrTrick: if you have shares on windows boxen, they should just work if you have smbclient installed
[10:31] <topyli> or there's a permission problem
[10:31] <topyli> or something :)
[10:31] <MrTrick> smbclient... how do I check? (It did work before, I could see both computers)
[10:32] <magicchees1> hello good people
[10:32] <MrTrick> hello magicchees1 (but I'm not necissarily a good person, were you talking to me?)
[10:32] <magicchees1> lets say your good in my eyes till i know better
[10:32] <topyli> MrTrick: smbclient is in a package of its own IIRC. see if it's installed
[10:33] <magicchees1> i need some help actually
[10:34] <magicchees1> im a newb in the linux world and have just installed ubuntu and have a problem with it says gdm config
[10:34] <Serengeti> ave :) for some reason i've installed gtk 2.6 from hoary. can i revert to gtk 2.4 somehow? i know that mixing repos is eeevil. now i know. i promise to sin no more ;)
[10:34] <MrTrick> no, smbclient's there.
[10:35] <MrTrick> maybe misconfigured, then.
[10:35] <topyli> MrTrick: nothing to configure there
[10:36] <magicchees1> anyone want to take me under their wing on this
[10:36] <MrTrick> hmmm.
[10:36] <MrTrick> no idea then
[10:36] <MrTrick> magicchees1, where does it say 'gdm config'?
[10:37] <magicchees1> when i boot right at first after it lists oll the things that have loaded
[10:38] <magicchees1> it says gdm configuration failed and that as a result x server is disabled and to check with xfree86
[10:38] <MrTrick> hmm...
[10:38] <magicchees1> that make sense
[10:39] <topyli> Serengeti: in synaptic IIRC, you can right click a package and choose "force version" if you have both warty and hoary sources. may or may not work.
[10:39] <magicchees1> im using the live cd as this is my only puter'
[10:40] <Serengeti> toplyi thanks i'll see
[10:40] <MrTrick> Sorry magicchees1, I've only been using linux for a short while...
[10:41] <MrTrick> Try searching for 'gdm config' here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search    ?
[10:41] <Serengeti> toplyi it wants to remove all the gtk apps when i try to force version..
[10:42] <topyli> Serengeti: that can happen :)
[10:42] <magicchees1> searching now
[10:42] <topyli> Serengeti: i don't remember the apt command, you may have to do this in the console
[10:42] <Serengeti> toplyi will this make any difference?
[10:43] <topyli> Serengeti: and then reinstall the lost packages
[10:43] <Serengeti> i'll try anyway
[10:43] <topyli> Serengeti: synaptic may fail when you remove it :)
[10:44] <MyKq3> hello
[10:44] <topyli> Serengeti: do you have broadband?
[10:44] <kakalto> g'night all
[10:44] <mvo_> apt-get install pkgname=exact-version can force a specific version in apt. it will very likly complain about bad dependencies
[10:44] <MyKq3> does some here knows when the Ubuntu hoary will b realesed?
[10:44] <Serengeti> toplyi yes
[10:44] <pybe> MyKq3: april
[10:45] <topyli> Serengeti: i'd remove the gtk libs and all that will go with it, then reinstall "ubuntu-desktop" or "gnome" or some other metapackage
[10:45] <MyKq3> ohhh thanks pybe
[10:45] <pisuke> MyKq3, look at the wiki. there's the roadmap to horay
[10:45] <Serengeti> toplyi i gues that's what i'll do
[10:45] <pybe> MyKq3: google for hoary release schedule for more info
[10:46] <MyKq3> pisuke,  Ubuntu WIKI is a mass, i can't find any thingy in there
[10:46] <MyKq3>  i prefer google ;)
[10:46] <HrdwrBoB> MyKq3: wiki is generally better for ubuntu
[10:47] <pisuke> you'll end up in the wiki, anyway
[10:47] <AndyFitz> anyone had luck with xorg and the radeon 9250 ?
[10:47] <HrdwrBoB> AndyFitz: should work ...
[10:47] <Falstius> I set up my X300 with the fglrx drivers last night.  Seems to work.
[10:47] <b_e_n_z> AndyFitz, i have luck with xorg and radeon 9600 and 9800 Pro
[10:48] <MyKq3> pisuke,  yeah but the WIKI organization is a mass
[10:48] <AndyFitz> benz,  cool  when did they update xorg-fglrx
[10:48] <b_e_n_z> AndyFitz, using xorg built-in radeon driver, not fglrx
[10:49] <AndyFitz> benz,  I can't get x to work at all without fglrx
[10:49] <AndyFitz> the ati driver doesnt work for the 9250,   and radeon isnt on the list
[10:49] <daniels> ah, craptastic
[10:49] <b_e_n_z> AndyFitz, what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[10:49] <daniels> try editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand and changing 'ati' to 'radeon'
[10:49] <AndyFitz> its all good I can wait .
[10:51] <MyKq3> wow ppl they r really going to make ubuntu some thing ... i think it will b the best distro...
[10:51] <AndyFitz> b_e_n_z,  xorg.0.log says alot of things :)
[10:51] <b_e_n_z> AndyFitz, find the error
[10:51] <AndyFitz> MyKq3,  it already is in my opinion
[10:51] <Falstius> best always depends on what your priorities are
[10:51] <AndyFitz> failed to initialize core devices
[10:52] <AndyFitz> is the error
[10:52] <MyKq3> AndyFitz, :) there still few thingys missing for me , but they r working on it !!!
[10:52] <topyli> MyKq3: reviewing last year, someone had a good comment on their blog: "ubuntu showed how to fix debian" :)
[10:52] <AndyFitz> MyKq3,  I need to help make it more sexy :-P  brisgeek.com/etiquette
[10:53] <Serengeti> toplyi it's so great a joy to break a perfectly stable ubuntu system and then spend lots of time on repairing it... ;)
[10:53] <topyli> Serengeti: i know :)
[10:53] <AndyFitz> I think that most MSCE's suffer from stockholm syndrome
[10:54] <topyli> heh
[10:54] <topyli> AndyFitz: they fell for their captor?
[10:55] <Falstius> I'm still amazed when I see computer professionals using IE
[10:55] <topyli> Falstius: hey, they need beta testers too! :)
[10:56] <AndyFitz> topyli,  yeah in a way they are in love with their captors.  its an un-healthy situation
[10:57] <Serengeti> Falstius maybe they were just doing this Windows Update thing
[10:58] <Serengeti> ;)
[10:58] <Simira> mornin carlos
[10:58] <AndyFitz> well I havent met too many MSCE's who don't promote MS products.   thats how I figure stockholm syndrome
[10:58] <carlos> morning
[10:58] <AndyFitz> hi carlos, sav
[10:59] <Sav> hi
[10:59] <Sav> Where sgould i put "modprobe ndiswrapper" if i want it to load on startup?
[11:00] <AndyFitz> gotta go hunting for some food ( bring on the Australia day left overs )
[11:00] <AndyFitz> I'll be right back
[11:00] <carlos> Sav: just put "ndiswrapper" inside /etc/modules
[11:01] <cam> hey guys just installed a new theme on my hoary ubbie-ubuntu :) um, now half of the gtk2 proggies like synaptic, net-admin come up in the default, ugly gtk2 theme
[11:02] <Agrajag> you mean all the ones that run as root?
[11:02] <Serengeti> cam you need to put it into /usr/share/themes
[11:02] <cam> heh, yeh and thanks
[11:02] <cam> =P
[11:02] <cam> you just pointed me to the problem
[11:03] <cam> jaja
[11:03] <Sav> carlos, ok thnx, now if i want a mount /dev/hdaX on startup? =)
[11:04] <cam> yer thanks Serengeti, works fine now
[11:04] <carlos> Sav: man fstab
[11:05] <Serengeti> speaking of themes, i just fell in love with this one: http://www.gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=19527
[11:06] <Serengeti> but it needs to be compiled
[11:08] <cam> *looks*
[11:08] <cam> i just saw bluecurve :/
[11:08] <Serengeti> it's nicer than bluecurve
[11:08] <cam> its yellow :/
[11:09] <Serengeti> not necessarily :)
[11:10] <ciocanel> Hi guys, what java software do I need tu run jedit ?
[11:10] <MyKq3> gnome feels very good but still it have a long way to do about its look
[11:11] <Serengeti> ciocanel http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[11:11] <MyKq3> for some resone i feel that gonme is colerless
[11:11] <ciocanel> Serengeti: thanks.
[11:11] <cam> *turns of spatial*
[11:11] <PWM> MyKq3, what window manager do you recommend? :)
[11:11] <Serengeti> ciocanel just use Method 0 and be happy :)
[11:12] <ciocanel> Serengeti: ok. I'll try :-)
[11:12] <MyKq3> PWM,  i dont... i guess that the one that u  need
[11:13] <MyKq3> PWM,  i use KDE but i can't say it will work right for ya
[11:13] <PWM> yeah well, the reason I'm asking is that I just started using linux :)
[11:14] <Serengeti> PWM i'd say stick to metacity :)
[11:14] <PWM> and I've tried both KDE, Gnome and Fluxbox... Fluxbox was rather confusing... I could find the "start menu" :)
[11:15] <MyKq3> http://www.gnomelook.org/content/show.php?content=15963 PWM try this theme for gonme its very nice ^^
[11:16] <PWM> looks nice indeed :)
[11:18] <cam> milk is the best
[11:18] <cam> ;)
[11:19] <principerobot> I
[11:19] <cam> that too KDE for me
[11:19] <cam> lol
[11:19] <principerobot> can you help me?
[11:19] <cam> just ask
[11:19] <principerobot> I have Ubuntu on my laptop
[11:19] <principerobot> All working fine.
[11:19] <principerobot> but I cannot see my battery status
[11:19] <cam> congrats
[11:20] <cam> have you added the battery status icon?
[11:20] <principerobot> I have done it
[11:20] <Serengeti> cam milk is nice but Ana is nice too ;)
[11:20] <principerobot> but nothing
[11:20] <cam> your laptop is a recent laptop?
[11:20] <principerobot> yas
[11:20] <principerobot> :-)
[11:20] <Serengeti> cam so many nice things :D
[11:20] <cam> you need to enable ACPI
[11:20] <cam> or however its spelt
[11:21] <principerobot> it's already started
[11:21] <principerobot> but nothing
[11:21] <principerobot> :-(
[11:21] <cam> have you configured it in your BIOS?
[11:21] <principerobot> ?
[11:21] <principerobot> ?
[11:21] <principerobot> ?
[11:21] <cam> ?
[11:21] <cam> ;)
[11:22] <cam> someone else might have to help you with this one, but im pretty sure you just need to enable it in your bios
[11:22] <principerobot> I have find nothing about acpi in my bios
[11:22] <cam> hang
[11:22] <cam> i got some info about this
[11:22] <SackeR> What kind of laptop do you have?
[11:22] <cam> can you do something for me?
[11:22] <principerobot> With windows it work
[11:22] <cam> copy  the results from cat /proc/acpi/battery/*
[11:22] <cam> into #flood
[11:23] <principerobot> Acer Aspire 1681WLMi
[11:23] <principerobot> Wait
[11:23] <principerobot> please :-)
[11:23] <cam> by * i mean the files in that folder
[11:23] <cam> sure.. :|
[11:24] <principerobot> It's nothing here.....
[11:24] <principerobot> :-()
[11:24] <cam> nothing in there?
[11:24] <cam> acpi isnt enabled.
[11:24] <principerobot> :-(
[11:24] <cam> you need acpi
[11:25] <principerobot> But the others ACPI stuff are working (example power off)
[11:25] <principerobot> I think that it's already enabled
[11:25] <principerobot> How can I re-enable ACPI
[11:26] <principerobot> Maybe then work it
[11:26] <principerobot> :-(
[11:26] <cam> hrmm i might be wrong
[11:27] <principerobot> ?
[11:27] <cam> just doing a bit of research on the laptop
[11:27] <cam> wont be a sec
[11:28] <principerobot> :-)
[11:29] <cam> according to the laptop support list on the ubuntu website, everything should work out of the box.
[11:30] <MrTrick> How well do medion laptops do at running ubuntu?
[11:30] <principerobot> But it isnn't so....
[11:30] <Sav> Anyone used BlueFish here?
[11:30] <principerobot> All working.........but battery state and suspend not
[11:31] <cam> hang
[11:31] <principerobot> ?
[11:31] <principerobot> what?
[11:32] <cam> ok
[11:33] <ephic> how do i change resolution on desktop?
[11:33] <ephic> would i have to do that through gnome settings?
[11:33] <pybe-lappy> ephic: its under prefs | diplay i think
[11:33] <cam> whats the current resolution?
[11:34] <cam> laptops can only go so high and have a native resolution
[11:34] <ephic> wait uh
[11:34] <ephic> where you seeing that option at?
[11:34] <ephic> preferences
[11:35] <aspro> ephic, system config > resolution
[11:37] <ephic> aspro: thanks
[11:38] <ephic> ok lets see, how can you change the size of the icons?
[11:38] <aspro> desktop icons?
[11:38] <aspro> right click on them and click stretch
[11:39] <ephic> oh lol.
[11:39] <ephic> simple enough eh
[11:39] <ntoll> hi, how do I set up the "server-name" for apache2 in ubuntu. My problem is that when I VPN into my LAN the DNS doesn't find my hostname but can find the ip address. When I click a page on my apache2 server it goes to http://hostname/page.html rather than http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/page.html
[11:39] <Martok> Hey, is anybody awake?
[11:39] <ntoll> I want the server name to be the ip address
[11:39] <ntoll> Martok, yup
[11:40] <Martok> ntoll, I have a question about firestarter.
[11:40] <alterego> wow....ubuntu is linux as it deserves to be! Congrats to all devs present and thanks for the CDs - already given half of them to interested people..
[11:40] <ntoll> Martok, no idea about firestarter
[11:40] <Martok> Thanks.
[11:40] <alterego> Martok: what's the issue with firestarter?
[11:41] <alterego> Martok: I'm using it here BTW
[11:41] <Martok> msg alterego But how do I know it's running?
[11:41] <Martok> Oops
[11:42] <alterego> heh -keep it in channel mate :)
[11:42] <Martok> Oh, it opened another window?
[11:42] <Martok> I've been an on again off again IRC user.
[11:42] <alterego> right click the grey dot or hover the mouse over it
[11:42] <Martok> I forgot alot of the commands, sorry.
[11:43] <Martok> Grey dot?
[11:43] <alterego> alterego: if it's running there's a dot in the panel
[11:43] <Martok> It's usually a blue dot, but it's not here.
[11:43] <alterego> you have to start it as root - sudo firestarter from the command line
[11:43] <Martok> init says it starts at boot time, but I guess it doesn't really start.
[11:44] <alterego> no it doesn't by default
[11:44] <Martok> Hmm...
[11:44] <alterego> Martok: you could make it so
[11:44] <Martok> How do I make it really start at boot time?
[11:44] <alterego> are you always network connected?
[11:44] <Martok> Yeah.
[11:45] <alterego> well, try editing /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh and adding the line ` sudo firestarter -s`
[11:45] <Martok> Ok! Thanks.
[11:46] <alterego> that will start it, but without the gui
[11:46] <alterego> when you are in gnome, if you need the gui start it as I said above
[11:46] <Martok> Will the dot be in the pannel?
[11:47] <alterego> not unless you start the gui, but once you have it, save your session when you log out
[11:47] <magicchees1> question
[11:47] <cam> anyone know how i can display where apt has installed components?
[11:47] <magicchees1> what does on shell mean
[11:47] <cam> for instance need to find one file that i just installed :/
[11:47] <cam> lol
[11:47] <Martok> Ok, thanks.
[11:48] <alterego> Martok: actually saving your gnome session on logout is all you really need to do
[11:48] <magicchees1> is that the black screen with the text
[11:48] <alterego> the init.d isn't necessary
[11:48] <Martok> Ok, yeah, I was about to suggest that.
[11:48] <mz2> is there a gui of some kind for changing the refresh rate of the monitor?
[11:48] <alterego> Martok: unless you like to irc from console or similar
[11:49] <MrTrick> where's the best place to stick my executeables? (Got a standalone executeable for linux)
[11:49] <Martok> I'll probably do that on another machine.
[11:49] <Serengeti> mz2 computer->system settings->screen resolution
[11:49] <mz2> Serengeti, that must be in hoary?
[11:50] <Serengeti> mz2 no, warty
[11:50] <alterego> mz2: nope - I have warty here
[11:50] <mz2> Serengeti, hmm, which package provides that? i don't seem to have it installed
[11:50] <mz2> Serengeti, oh right, you meant desktop preferences
[11:50] <mz2> and screen resolution from there
[11:50] <topyli> ephic: from the menu: computer -> system configuration -> screen resolution
[11:50] <magicchees1> i was needing to use some instructions and was wondering what this meant
[11:51] <Serengeti> mz2 i have it in system configuration
[11:51] <magicchees1>   Try on shell, entering with your login password created on installation steps,
[11:51] <magicchees1> 
[11:51] <magicchees1>  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:51] <magicchees1> 
[11:51] <magicchees1>  Choose vesa driver, i always works, then choose the correct driver for your graphics card
[11:51] <spiral> hi
[11:51] <alterego> so do I ...
[11:51] <mz2> Serengeti, interesting, i've got it in the desktop one :)
[11:51] <Serengeti> mz2 :)
[11:51] <MrTrick> where do executeables go?
[11:52] <alterego> MrTrick: it depends - type `which <executable> to see
[11:52] <alterego> mostly /usr/bin
[11:52] <principerobo1> I'm back
[11:52] <MrTrick> Uh, I'm trying to get Folding@ home running on this thing
[11:52] <cam> any luck?
[11:53] <principerobo1> my problem with the battery status don't work
[11:53] <principerobo1> :-(
[11:53] <cam> um
[11:53] <cam> do another dmesg | grep acpi
[11:53] <magicchees1> where is the shell is that the black screen with the text at the beginning
[11:53] <alterego> MrTrick: did you read the readme file or try --help or the man page?
[11:53] <MrTrick> heh, not just yet... dl'd the .exe, wondering where best to stick it.
[11:54] <alterego> uh..linux has no .exe
[11:54] <alterego> ?
[11:54] <topyli> MrTrick: exe? you have a windows binary
[11:55] <magicchees1> can someone give me a hand
[11:55] <MrTrick> topyli: No, it's a linux executeable
[11:55] <Martok> Does anybody know what the firestarter process is?
[11:55] <MrTrick> Don't know why they stuck an extension on it..
[11:55] <Serengeti> maybe it's mono?
[11:55] <stvn> alterego: linux does have .exe, like certain mono apps ;)
[11:55] <MrTrick> mono?
[11:56] <Serengeti> like .net for linux
[11:56] <topyli> MrTrick: if it's a single executable, you can put it anywhere. ~/bin or /usr/local/bin maybe
[11:56] <stvn> Martok: firewall
[11:56] <topyli> stvn: oh yeah, tomboy.exe
[11:56] <alterego> stvn: yeah, OK - or apps run with wine ;)
[11:56] <Martok> I don't see firewall in ps -auxww
[11:56] <stvn> Martok: application>>system tools>>firestarter
[11:56] <Martok> It says its running but I don't see the process.
[11:57] <MrTrick> okay, it works now...
[11:57] <topyli> Martok: i don't think firestarter runs all the time, it just sets up iptables and that's all
[11:57] <MrTrick> how do I get it to run as a service? (ie in the background, rather than using a terminal)
[11:57] <Martok> Oh... ok.
[11:57] <alterego> Martok: ps aux | grep firestarter
[11:57] <Martok> Thanks
[11:58] <Martok> Wow, that's weird.
[11:58] <Serengeti> magicchees1, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system_shell
[11:58] <alterego> it's /usr/bin/firestarter unless you compiled it :)
[11:58] <topyli> MrTrick: put a script in /etc/init.d
[11:58] <Martok> The only process that it found was grep firestarter lol.
[11:59] <MrTrick> topyli: that contains what? I've no idea about scripting...
[11:59] <alterego> Martok: then it isn't running ;)
[11:59] <Martok> Does firestarter run all the time?
[11:59] <topyli> MrTrick: look at the other scripts and copy :)
[11:59] <Martok> When I uninstalled it, it had to stop it.
[12:00] <alterego> Martok: no, you have to tell it to run
[12:00] <topyli> MrTrick: i just use webmin :)
[12:00] <magicchees1> thanks serengeti
[12:00] <Martok> And when I reinstalled it, it said it started it.
[12:00] <Martok> Ok, I'll try that.
[12:00] <alterego> actually I lied, it's /usr/sbin/firestarter here
[12:00] <MrTrick> will check it out
[12:00] <topyli> Martok: that's what it says. when it "starts" it sets the firewall rules and exits. when it "stops" it unsets the tables and exits again.
[12:01] <Martok> Ok.
[12:01] <Martok> WTF, now I can't even run it.
[12:02] <alterego> Martok: here it wants a root password to start from gui - so your password won't do it
[12:02] <MrTrick> topyli, if it's running as a service, would it be more appropriate to place it in /etc ?
[12:02] <Martok> I got it.
[12:02] <Martok> Due to my own mistake.
[12:02] <alterego> Martok: that's why it's easier to start it from cli with sudo
[12:02] <Martok> Yeah.
[12:02] <Martok> I had the command wrong in the launcher.
[12:03] <alterego> ah
[12:03] <Martok> <- Linux newbie.
[12:03] <topyli> MrTrick: no, binaries to some bin directory, conf files to /etc
[12:03] <Martok> Sorta.
[12:03] <alterego> Martok: hey, we are all newbies in some ways :)
[12:03] <Martok> Yeah, that's what I say.
[12:04] <Martok> BRB
[12:04] <alterego> Martok: I just managed to get real player towork on ppc Ubuntu - a learning experience
[12:04] <alterego> !
[12:04] <TreadingSoftly> Hi folks. The Samba channel seems quiet. I'm having trouble writing to my samba shares on Linux host DRAGON from when logged in as terry from another Linux host (files open as read only). I've posted my testparm results on DRAGON into a pastebin: http://www.pastebin.com/234084 Can anyone see what I've done wrong? Both hosts are running Ubuntu Warty (with updates).
[12:05] <mz2> hmm, how'd i make ubuntu understand that i've connected another monitor to my laptop and that this new screen can actually handle a better refresh rate than that Screen Resolution dialog suggest
[12:05] <mz2> without meddling with modelines myself
[12:05] <alterego> helix player wouldn't work... so I gave in to the dark eula to be able to listen to BBC 3 :(
[12:06] <mz2> because it only gives me 61 Hz rate as a choice in 1600x... (and it can do better)
[12:07] <alterego> mz2: if you do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it should ask you for refresh rates
[12:08] <alterego> mz2: it isn't too scary - and you can go back by repeating it
[12:09] <crispin> hmm, does anyone know what package python-gtkhtml is in in hoary ? Straw seems to be missing a dependancy on it :-(
[12:11] <alterego> crispin: are you using apt ?
[12:12] <alterego> or synaptic, I guess (same thing really)
[12:12] <mz2> alterego, cool
[12:12] <alterego> mz2: worked?
[12:12] <mz2> alterego, well, sort of... well enough :)
[12:12] <crispin> alterego: well, aptitude, but it's all the same thing
[12:13] <alterego> ah, well at least an improvement then :)
[12:13] <alterego> crispin: yeah ;)
[12:14] <mz2> have to say, ubuntu just keeps impressing me more and more. installed it onto a friend's laptop and surprisingly the centrino wlan just magically worked (and that's a first for me!)
[12:14] <alterego> crispin: didyou try --fix-missing or -f ?
[12:14] <alterego> mz2: yes, I'm totally impressed too
[12:14] <MrTrick> So, if I want to start an executeable (in the background, standard output either ignored or redirected to a file) how would the .sh file that does it look? (I know NOTHING about shell scripts)
[12:14] <jdub> mz2: our official project name for that is "totally rad laptop support"
[12:14] <crispin> alterego: thats the thing, aptitude shows all dependancies nice and happy, no missing packages or anything, but I can't see which package python-gtkhtml is in
[12:15] <alterego> jdub: ah - congratulations on your work - I'm so pleased with this distro (Debianista here)
[12:15] <mz2> although on my own it didn't :) but that's simply because i needed ndiswrapper for that specific card to work
[12:16] <mz2> jdub, you really seem to be doing something right :)
[12:16] <jdub> alterego: lots of interest in ubuntu here in .au :)
[12:16] <jdub> mz2: rock!
[12:16] <Hwolf> crispin, just do a search for gtkhtml
[12:16] <njan> ipw2200 works just fine in my centrino laptop. <3 ubuntu
[12:16] <alterego> jdub: I just gave out half my free CDs today - I even had a cafe owner who was sick of MS
[12:16] <jdub> heh, rad
[12:17] <jdub> where are you?
[12:17] <alterego> jdub: good on ya ;) !!
[12:17] <alterego> jdub: wollongong
[12:17] <jdub> oh right
[12:17] <jdub> cool
[12:17] <alterego> you in Sydney?
[12:17] <jdub> yeah
[12:17] <jdub> quite a few gong people on the SLUG lists
[12:17] <alterego> you're in SLUG right?
[12:17] <crispin> nope, no luck search for gtkhtml, "apt-cache search gtkhtml" shows just the C libraries, nothing about python
[12:17] <jdub> yeah
[12:18] <MrTrick> Yeah, hooray for Aussies. :-) (Oi Oi Oi)
[12:18] <alterego> ah - slow typing here - I'm on an iBook here: how do I do ctrl-alt-F2 etc on this thing ??
[12:18] <jdub> ctrl-alt-fn-f2
[12:19] <jdub> MrTrick: slug is on tomorrow night :)
[12:19] <alterego> and to get bback to F7?
[12:19] <MrTrick> slug?
[12:19] <jdub> ctrl-alt-fn-f7
[12:19] <jdub> MrTrick: sydney linux users group -> www.slug.org.au
[12:19] <MrTrick> how do I create a new file in the terminal?
[12:19] <alterego> jdub: hmm- doesn't work here :(
[12:20] <alterego> jdub: I'm wasting 5 consoles ! :D
[12:20] <MrTrick> jdub: Cool, I'm actually a student there (still, I know)
[12:21] <jdub> MrTrick: UTS?
[12:21] <MrTrick> how do I create a new file from cli? no idea...
[12:21] <ubuntu> im backive got more info as to whats wrong
[12:21] <jdub> MrTrick: what kind of file
[12:21] <jdub> ?
[12:21] <alterego> MrTrick: touch filename
[12:21] <MrTrick> jdub: Yep! I'm about 3 subjects from graduation
[12:21] <MrTrick> thanks alterego
[12:21] <ephic> what would be the command to copy a folder to a different directory
[12:21] <jdub> MrTrick: heh, you should come :)
[12:21] <ephic> like the java folder on my desktop says i cant move it unless im root.
[12:21] <jdub> ephic: cp -r <folder> <folder>
[12:21] <ephic> ah thank you!
[12:22] <ubuntu> it says that x server is not set up or configured
[12:22] <alterego> ephic: sudo cp -r <folder> <folder> then
[12:23] <ephic> oh i know
[12:23] <alterego> and type your user pass
[12:23] <ephic> i was in root
[12:23] <alterego> k
[12:23] <ubuntu> how do you change your username
[12:23] <MrTrick> jdub, sorry, busy tmw night
[12:24] <jdub> heh
[12:24] <alterego> ubuntu: tricky unless you don't mind losing you home directory ;)
[12:25] <ephic> naw just set up another user
[12:25] <ubuntu> i screwed up i was originally magiccheese earlier
[12:25] <ephic> lol.
[12:25] <alterego> ubuntu: you can create a new user and copystuff over
[12:26] <ubuntu> nevermind i dont guess its that big a deal
[12:26] <ubuntu> do you mind giving me a hand for a sec
[12:26] <MrTrick> hmmm, how does init.d work? It just runs ./$script start for everything in the folder?
[12:26] <alterego> although that involves some interesting chmod and chown stuff..
[12:26] <ephic> is there any way i can drag and drop files into directories? rather than copy and paste through terminal?
[12:27] <alterego> ephic: sure, if you have the right permissions
[12:27] <ephic> chmod +x each file i want to drag and drop?
[12:27] <alterego> no
[12:27] <ephic> thank god
[12:27] <ephic> wait
[12:27] <ephic> i think i set my root password
[12:27] <alterego> that makes them executable
[12:27] <ephic> try to log in
[12:27] <ephic> er wait
[12:27] <ephic> what about chmod +a?
[12:27] <alterego> ephic: don't log in as root
[12:28] <alterego> ever
[12:28] <ephic> ? why not
[12:28] <alterego> especially don't run gnome as root
[12:28] <vihis> hi
[12:28] <alterego> 1 security 2 you can easily stuff up
[12:29] <ubuntu> when i start ubuntu it loads all the way to opening gnome and it gives me the message cannot start x server its not configured right
[12:29] <ephic> oh
[12:29] <vihis> why should i choose ubuntu-linux instead of ie. gentoo or debian?
[12:29] <ephic> how would i give read/write access to myself through root in terminal?
[12:29] <alterego> ephic: I think gdm forbids root login by default anyway
[12:29] <ephic> it does.
[12:29] <ephic> lol.
[12:30] <ephic> anyhow gentoo's handbook is 160 pages..
[12:30] <ephic> a pain in the ass
[12:30] <ephic> and as for debian
[12:30] <ephic> this distro is based on debian
[12:30] <ubuntu> so i ran the command sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree88 and it said xserver and xfree88 not installed
[12:30] <ephic> so you get the best of both worlds
[12:30] <alterego> ephic: you *can* run nautilus with sudo, but be *very* careful if you do..
[12:30] <ephic> ah i see
[12:31] <ephic> that let me give file permissions?
[12:31] <alterego> one false move and you can destroy the whole system
[12:32] <ephic> ah ok done deal
[12:32] <ephic> ;D
[12:32] <ephic> <3 nautilus
[12:32] <ephic> k
[12:32] <ephic> all i did was drag and drop, and close
[12:33] <ubuntu> can you give me a hand alterego
[12:33] <alterego> ubuntu: just ask - if someone can help they will :)
[12:33] <Martok> alterego: I couldn't get my firestarter "problem" fixed.
[12:33] <alterego> Martok: :(
[12:33] <Martok> I guess I'll just manually run it everytime I boot up.
[12:33] <Martok> Haha.
[12:33] <ubuntu> i already stated the problem
[12:34] <alterego> Martok: or write a little script...
[12:34] <Martok> Yeah, one day probably.
[12:34] <cam> hrmm why do people use xmms when theres beep-media-player! =P
[12:34] <Martok> What's beep-media-player?
[12:34] <alterego> ubuntu: sorry I forgot - what was it again?
[12:34] <ubuntu> when i start ubuntu it loads all the way to opening gnome and it gives me the message cannot start x server its not configured right
[12:35] <ubuntu> so i ran the command sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree88 and it said xserver and xfree88 not installed
[12:35] <scoon> Martok, beep-media-player is like xmms except that it uses gtk2 for GUI instead of gtk
[12:35] <alterego> ubuntu: hmm... the usual solution is to run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`
[12:35] <Martok> Hmm...
[12:35] <Martok> I dunno the difference.
[12:36] <alterego> ubuntu: it asks you questions about your hardware, refresh rates etc..
[12:36] <ubuntu> thats what i got in the forum and i ran it
[12:36] <alterego> and?
[12:36] <scoon> Martok, the gnome you use is gtk2.  it is more polished.
[12:36] <scoon> Martok, you could always got the both players sites and check them out for yourself.
[12:36] <ubuntu> it said xserver and xfree88 not installed
[12:37] <Martok> Yeah, that's what I'm doing.
[12:37] <Martok> I currently use XMMS.
[12:37] <alterego> scoon: will it do digital output of CDs? I have a laptop iBook that needs that..
[12:37] <alterego> ubuntu: umm..warty?
[12:37] <scoon> Martok, dunno.  I am on x86 and do not have digital output for my cd
[12:38] <alterego> it's xserver-xfree86
[12:38] <scoon> Martok, scratch that and redirect to alterego.
[12:38] <cam> beep-media-player is a fork of xmms, ported to gtk2
[12:38] <ubuntu> yeah just installed it tonight
[12:38] <alterego> ubuntu: typo?
[12:38] <cam> try it, its on hoary repos if ur using hoary
[12:39] <Martok> Wow, beep-media-player looks cool.
[12:39] <Ribs> it's only xmms in gtk2
[12:39] <Martok> Really good looking.
[12:39] <alterego> cam: it's in warty too - maybe in universe
[12:40] <scoon> it works well also.
[12:40] <scoon> i used xmms for years
[12:40] <scoon> and then heard chatter about beep.
[12:40] <ubuntu> ok so i misspelled it then its 86 instead of 88
[12:40] <alterego> apt-cache policy says it's in Universe
[12:40] <scoon> i have been using it for a few months now with no problems.
[12:40] <TreadingSoftly> Does anyone here use Samba much?
[12:41] <odyssey> TreadingSoftly, yes alot
[12:41] <alterego> ubuntu: yup, I suspect so - the hyphen is important too, of course :0
[12:42] <alterego> ubuntu:  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:42] <mgedmin> python2.3 -c 'import gtk' tells me
[12:42] <mgedmin> ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/_gtk.so: undefined symbol: gtk_cell_view_set_value
[12:42] <ubuntu> so its "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:42] <ubuntu> or do i start with dpkg
[12:43] <alterego> ubuntu: correct. without the quotes, obviously ;)
[12:43] <alterego> no dpkg-reconfigure is the command
[12:44] <ubuntu> ok im gonna try it thanks for your help
[12:44] <alterego> xserver-xfree86 is the argument (the package name)
[12:44] <alterego> ubuntu: good hunting !
[12:44] <ubuntu> so sudo is not needed
[12:44] <alterego> ubuntu: yes, unles you are root
[12:44] <ubuntu> youve been a great help
[12:45] <alterego> ubuntu: all package management requires root privilege
[12:45] <alterego> thanks
[12:45] <alterego> I'm always learning too :)
[12:45] <ubuntu> for a newly converted xp user its easy to get in over your head
[12:46] <marcin> hi - a question - I have winXP on hda1 and I'm installing ubuntu on hda2 - where should I put grub? boot? or mbr?
[12:46] <alterego> ubuntu: yes indeed - there's a lifetime of knowledge to learn in any *nix ;)
[12:46] <ozan> hi, i want to choose alsa as default instead of oss. how can i do it?
[12:46] <jdub> ozan: ubuntu uses alsa almost forcefully by default.
[12:46] <alterego> ozan: it should *be* the default with ubuntu AFAIK
[12:46] <jdub> it just uses the oss emu layer to talk to it
[12:47] <jdub> because using alsalibs directly is not great just yet
[12:47] <alterego> jdub: aha !
[12:47] <alterego> I see
[12:47] <alterego> hence the appearance of oss in unexpected places...
[12:47] <ozan> i can't hear startup sounds but when i open xmms with alsa i can listen mp3s. there is a problem but where
[12:49] <alterego> marcin: mbr for dual boot
[12:50] <ozan> after i have bought a new mother board : p4p800-x , this problem occured. it has onboard audio device but closed from the bios... before that motherboard sounds were fine...
[12:50] <marcin> alterego: hmm so tell me why when I did this I got "operating system not found" ?
[12:51] <marcin> thoreauputic: hmm so tell me why when I did this I got "operating system not found" ?
[12:51] <thoreauputic> marcin: try setting bios to defaults - that happened to me once
[12:51] <thoreauputic> marcin: the above fixed it
[12:52] <marcin> thoreauputic: hmmm fixed what?
[12:52] <thoreauputic> marcin: that's awindows message
[12:52] <marcin> thoreauputic: your ntloader or something?
[12:52] <thoreauputic> marcin: "operating system not found"
[12:52] <marcin> thoreauputic: in fact I'm trying to recover data from my partitions
[12:52] <thoreauputic> marcin: ah - do you have a live CD?
[12:53] <thoreauputic> if so you can boot fromit and copy files over a network
[12:54] <thoreauputic> knoppix/gnoppix/ubuntu live ...
[12:54] <marcin> thoreauputic: I had 4 partitions - hda1 for windows - ntfs, hda2 for linux, hda3 for swap and hda5 (on hda4) for data - fat32
[12:54] <crispin> seb128: btw, I found my problem with the kernel from yesterday, it was due to my sid -> hoary upgrade, and the mkinitrd didn't pick up the sata_via module it needed, having manually added that to /etc/mkinitd/modules it all works now, and once I am in an ubuntu kernel, I can remove it from that file
[12:54] <seb128> crispin: ok
[12:54] <marcin> thoreauputic: and after installing ubuntu I had "operating system not found"
[12:54] <seb128> nice to know that's fixed :)
[12:55] <marcin> thoreauputic: so, I reinstalled XP on first partitoin
[12:55] <crispin> seb128: yeah, also nice to know that it's not ubuntu's fault, but me doing a totally unsupported operation :-)
[12:55] <marcin> thoreauputic: but windows said that my hda5 with data is not formatted
[12:55] <thoreauputic> marcin: after installing linux?
[12:55] <seb128> crispin: yep :)
[12:55] <marcin> thoreauputic: so, now I'm trying to recover data with "get data back for fat" software
[12:56] <thoreauputic> marcin: if you reinstalled XP after linux, it probably stuffed your mbr at least
[12:56] <marcin> thoreauputic: and now I have working XP and free space on second partition
[12:56] <marcin> thoreauputic: so, now when I'll finish data recovery
[12:56] <marcin> thoreauputic: I'm going to install ubuntu again
[12:56] <thoreauputic> marcin: hmm.. I don't know much windows, sorry - totally linux now
[12:56] <marcin> thoreauputic: but I really don't want these fu*** problems again
[12:57] <marcin> thoreauputic: yeah... I don't use windows too - but I'm installing this system on my customer's notebook
[12:57] <marcin> thoreauputic: and now I almost destroyed his data...
[12:58] <thoreauputic> marcin: usual order 1) defrag windows 2) resize ntfs part 3) install linux on free space 4)put bootloader on mbr (I guess you know this...)
[12:58] <hikaru79> I've finally succesfully set up a pure-ftpd server, and it works fine. I can log in and all; but how can I make it so that one system user has permissions EVERYWHERE (can upload to /var/www/, for example) without like, CHMODding +777 to everything? How can I give just ONE user permission to everything?
[12:58] <marcin> thoreauputic: yes I know... and have no idea why I had this "no operating system found" bug...
[12:59] <thoreauputic> I can only reiterate that the machine may have a"protected" bios or something similar
[01:00] <thoreauputic> hence the reset suggestion
[01:00] <scizzo_> hikaru79: start learnin about groups...
[01:00] <hikaru79> scizzo_, so it's got something to do with the user groups? =) Thanks
[01:00] <hikaru79> I'll look into that
[01:00] <scizzo_> hikaru79: if you change the group of the /var/www stuff....you can set the permissions on the group
[01:01] <scizzo_> hikaru79: add the users to the group that you want to be able to write or do whatever...
[01:01] <thoreauputic> have to go - happy ubuntu to all :)
[01:03] <hikaru79> scizzo_, got it =) Works now
[01:05] <scizzo> ;)
[01:13] <gatolas> apparently I'm having problems with my connection. Is google up for all of you?
[01:14] <Nermal> yeees
[01:14] <Nermal> google is always up
[01:15] <odyssey> hmmm
[01:15] <odyssey> i just broke gnome volume control barstard of a thing it is
[01:16] <jdub> keep it nice please
[01:18] <gatolas> Nermal: thanks. my ISP is crapping out on me then
[01:19] <gatolas> I'm trying to find a driver for a cd drive KONEX NX-0102A and my search page only shows me 7 hits
[01:21] <SackeR> My panel has died :-(
[01:21] <SackeR> Says a panel is already running and I will now exit when i try to run another one
[01:22] <sladen_> SackeR: pkill -u $USER
[01:22] <ephic> anyone know how to quickly install gtk+?
[01:22] <gatolas> SackeR: kill it
[01:22] <gatolas> ephic: synaptic
[01:22] <ephic> im in synaptic
[01:22] <sladen_> ephic: everything you see in GNOME is being drawn with GTK+ !
[01:22] <ephic> then why wont gcc find the gtk+ headers?
[01:23] <ephic> when i try to compile code
[01:23] <sladen> ephic: ah, you mean the /development/ packages
[01:23] <ephic> mhm
[01:23] <sladen> ephic: what are you trying to build?
[01:23] <ephic> just applications im making
[01:23] <ephic> my code
[01:24] <sladen> ephic:  apt-cache search gtk-dev
[01:24] <ephic> ah ok thanks
[01:24] <vihis> hmm!
[01:24] <vihis> im burning ubuntu-installation image. any tips for install process? :)
[01:24] <Ribs> yes, put the disc in the drive and restart your computer
[01:25] <sladen> vihis: insert the CD into the drive and follow the instructions :)
[01:25] <vihis> mmkay :)
[01:25] <hikaru79> Will fish ONLY work with KDE? No Gnome implementation yet?
[01:25] <sladen> hikaru79: perhaps you can tell us what 'fish' is
[01:26] <SackeR> Woot I have my panel back :-)
[01:26] <Ribs> KDE programs should work in Gnome, given the right dependancies are avalible to it
[01:26] <jdub> hikaru79: gnome has had ssh/sftp support for ages.
[01:26] <Ribs> they will look crap, but should work
[01:26] <ephic> This is the development component of AiksaurusGTK, needed to develop
[01:26] <ephic> applications with AiksaurusGTK.
[01:26] <ephic> that what i need?
[01:27] <ephic> oh wait
[01:27] <ephic> nevermind
[01:27] <ephic> im gettin it ;D
[01:27] <kbrooks> grrrr
[01:28] <kbrooks> i got dc (in the morning)
[01:28] <kbrooks> a refresh worked
[01:28] <kbrooks> unplug and plug
[01:28] <kbrooks> :P
[01:37] <Monkiki> Someone using his PocketPC with Ubuntu?
[01:38] <kbrooks> Monkiki, and your question is?
[01:38] <Monkiki> Sorry, can you install CABs and synchronize with Evolution?
[01:42] <RU63> hello, what is the best kernel for centrino?
[01:42] <jdub> the one that comes with ubuntu :)
[01:43] <RU63> but wich image?
[01:43] <RU63> i363?
[01:43] <jdub> linux-686
[01:43] <jdub> install that package
[01:43] <RU63> ok
[01:43] <RU63> cools
[01:44] <crispin> jdub: any idea about my straw problems (it can't find the gtkhtml python library) ?
[01:44] <dufashanye> Hello I need some help fixing an error I inducted folling arround with gnome terminal
[01:45] <dufashanye> how do i set things back, my icons all broken
[01:45] <seb128> crispin: have you installed python-gnome2-extras ?
[01:45] <dufashanye> alessio parli italiano_
[01:46] <crispin> seb128: ahh, that would be a 'no', thanks :-) (but should that be a dependancy then ?)
[01:46] <seb128> crispin: correct
[01:46] <dufashanye> help...SOS
[01:47] <seb128> crispin: straw's bug (python-gnome has been splitted during the 2.9 time and it may break some depends in this way)
[01:47] <crispin> ahh, excellent, my ubuntu desktop is now working perfectly, thanks very much seb128 :-)
[01:47] <dufashanye> i need to re set my ubuntu desktop
[01:48] <crispin> and I have have proved that you can go from sid -> hoary with only a few problems :-)
[01:48] <dufashanye> i messed with the gnome terminal
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> seb128: split is the past tense of split fyi :)
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> dufashanye: what do you mean messed with
[01:49] <seb128> crispin: np :)
[01:49] <dufashanye> I don-t know I-m totally new to unix world man
[01:49] <seb128> HrdwrBoB: ok, thanks, sorry for my bad english :)
[01:50] <dufashanye> is there a  way to se tihings back_
[01:50] <dufashanye> set things back
[01:50] <seb128> what have you changed ?
[01:50] <dufashanye> nothing it didn-t gave me access, but no my icons are whit with a red cross on it
[01:51] <ephic> why when i type gcc main.cpp -o main...
[01:51] <ephic> it says cant find gtk/gtk+.h
[01:51] <seb128> dufashanye: is gnome-settings-daemon running ?
[01:51] <ephic> obviously i have gtk on default right?
[01:51] <ephic> and im trying to compile my c++ program..
[01:51] <RubenV> did you install the -dev packages?
[01:51] <ephic> ya
[01:51] <ephic> the gtk-dev
[01:52] <RubenV> and for gtk, the gtkmm pkgs
[01:52] <RubenV> C++ uses gtkmm
[01:52] <seb128> ephic: because you need to add the `pkg-config --cflags --libs ....
[01:52] <ephic> gtkmm OO
[01:52] <MyKq3> http://img194.exs.cx/img194/7481/untitled6hn.jpg
[01:52] <ephic> what do you mean?
[01:52] <MyKq3> does any one here knows if hoary will have OO2 ?
[01:52] <dufashanye> think ill go back to winxp
[01:52] <RubenV> AFAIK, C++ uses a pkg called gtkmm
[01:52] <dufashanye> see yall
[01:52] <RubenV> similar to pygtk for python
[01:52] <ephic> winxp?
[01:53] <jdub> MyKq3: OOo2 is already in universe.
[01:53] <RubenV> you need that if you want to use gtk together with C++
[01:53] <ephic> ah damn.
[01:53] <MyKq3> really? jdub
[01:53] <ephic> thats a pain lol.
[01:53] <ephic> i think i`ll just compile in winxp with devc++ and the gtk libraries, and port over to linux ;D
[01:53] <MyKq3> but i thought that OOo2 have not got out yet ...
[01:53] <ephic> wait can i do that?
[01:53] <jdub> MyKq3: pre-releases.
[01:54] <RubenV> gtkmm can be found in synaptic
[01:54] <MyKq3> jdub,  thanks for the imformation...
[01:54] <RubenV> it's in main i think
[01:54] <ephic> ya but still..
[01:54] <ephic> my gtk-dev library isnt working
[01:54] <ephic> ;/
[01:54] <ephic> says it cant find gtk.h
[01:54] <RubenV> that's because you're compiling C++
[01:54] <ephic> so if i wasnt compiling c++..
[01:54] <ephic> it would find it?
[01:55] <RubenV> #include <gtk/gtk.h>
[01:55] <ephic> ya
[01:55] <RubenV> doesn't work?
[01:55] <ephic> should i just write in c?
[01:55] <vihis> mmm. ubuntu is now installed <3
[01:55] <RubenV> depends what language you prefer
[01:55] <ephic> ya #include <gtk/gtk.h> when i compile a .cpp it says the headers arent found
[01:56] <ephic> the only new thing in c++ are classes right?
[01:56] <seb128> ephic: because you need to add the `pkg-config --cflags --libs .... (second time)
[01:56] <ephic> i know i asked you how to do that
[01:56] <ephic> thats what it told me
[01:56] <seb128> ephic: you need to add the -L and -I option so it finds the headers/libs
[01:56] <ephic> ahhh i see
[01:56] <jdub> ephic: go to www.gtkmm.org and read the docs there
[01:56] <RubenV> ephic: it's a bit more, it's a different language actually, but the biggest thing is idd OO
[01:56] <seb128> pkg-config --cflags --libs does that for you
[01:56] <RubenV> but if you're using C++, you'll need gtkmm
[01:56] <ephic> ohhh ok
[01:57] <ephic> ok i`ll do that and get gtkmm
[01:57] <jdub> (RubenV: not strictly, but it makes using gtk in C++ nicer.)
[01:57] <RubenV> jdub: using plain gtk would kinde leave out the advantages of C++ eh ;)
[01:57] <ephic> says must specify package names on the command line
[01:57] <jdub> RubenV: not entirely
[01:58] <jdub> RubenV: cf. gnomemeeting
[01:58] <RubenV> i'd better shut up :)
[01:58] <jdub> ephic: this is really not the right place to learn how to use gtkmm
[01:58] <ephic> im not learning how to use gtkmm..
[01:58] <jdub> ephic: go to www.gtkmm.org, there's documentation, mailing list and irc links there
[01:58] <ephic> im not trying to learn..
[01:58] <ephic> what are you talking about
[01:59] <ephic> im trying to set up my gtk dir
[01:59] <ephic> so gcc picks up my headers
[01:59] <jdub> well, if you're having trouble with pkg-config, you're best off reading other docs there
[01:59] <RubenV> add the pkg config stuff to your command line
[01:59] <RubenV> as said :)
[01:59] <ephic> i typed  pkg-config --cflags --libs
[02:00] <null> heya jdub
[02:00] <RubenV> http://gtk.org/tutorial/sec-compiling.html
[02:02] <_santiago_> hi
[02:02] <_santiago_> I've just installed ubuntu in my Dell Inspiron 700m
[02:02] <elyseum> congratulations
[02:03] <null> 700m, hmm nice machine :-)
[02:03] <null> i was about to buy it, but too xpensive
[02:03] <_santiago_> thanks, It has a intel 82852 video card, It supports 1280x800 but I can't config it
[02:03] <nevyn> I was on the tram today and observed a random guy running ubuntu on a ibook
[02:03] <vihis> :o
[02:04] <_santiago_> :O
[02:04] <vihis> who runs linux on ibook?!
[02:04] <nevyn> umm lots of people.. aj, most of ibm's ppc lab staff...
[02:04] <nevyn> rusty.
[02:04] <vihis> :\
[02:05] <sivang> does anybody know the name of the proggy that lets you use one monitor mouse and kbd, and control 2 machines over a LAN?
[02:05] <nevyn> lots of them.
[02:05] <nevyn> both machines ubuntu?
[02:06] <vihis> err. what is root's password @ just installed system? :D
[02:06] <sivang> one debian, one ubuntu
[02:06] <sivang> vihis: none :)
[02:06] <SackeR> Sudo :-P
[02:06] <sladen> nevyn: the half of the development team that don't have thinkpads!
[02:06] <sivang> vihis: sudo passwd root, if you want to enable the root account but I'd advice against it.
[02:06] <sladen> vihis: sudo apt-get install ...
[02:06] <mgedmin> nevyn, x2x or x2vnc
[02:06] <sladen> vihis: and enter your own passwd
[02:06] <sivang> sladen: hey
[02:06] <mgedmin> oops, that was meant for sivang
[02:06] <nevyn> :)
[02:07] <sivang> mgedmin: any of the you would recommend best?
[02:07] <nevyn> sladen: umm the thinkpads are just for urrunning note's under wine I thought... ;)
[02:07] <vihis> ah! :)
[02:07] <_santiago_> I get this in the XFree86.0.log: (II) I810(0): Not using mode "1280x800" (no mode of this name)
[02:07] <_santiago_> (--) I810(0): Virtual size is 1024x768 (pitch 1024)
[02:07] <sladen> _santiago_: do you have a wide screen laptop?
[02:08] <mgedmin> sivang, if both machines run X, use x2x, otherwise use x2vnc
[02:08] <Lathiat> yeh the 700m is widescreen
[02:08] <null> _santiago_: look at http://tuxtops.com and click notebooks and select dell and 700m, ull find all the details there
[02:08] <null> i think tuxtops.org,
[02:08] <sivang> mgedmin: both running X , ubuntu xorg, and the other xfree :)
[02:08] <sladen> daniels: ping  1280x800 non auto-detection magic
[02:09] <sivang> sladen: egh, also non 1024x768 100Hz autodetection magic on my flatron :)
[02:09] <sladen> sivang: what does dccprove give?
[02:09] <_santiago_> sladen, yes, it's a dell inspiron 700m
[02:10] <sivang> sladen: I'll tell ya in a sec
[02:10] <sivang> sladen: also, I can't get to make cpufreq work on my laptop, we should sit together to fix that sometime :)
[02:11] <sladen> sivang: now's good
[02:11] <sivang> sladen: erhh, lappi in hospital, something b0rked :-
[02:11] <sivang> ;-(
[02:11] <sivang> sladen: I'd take it that a week will pass before technician will attend to it
[02:12] <sladen> ah, okay
[02:12] <sladen> I'm still waiting to hear back from davej anyway
[02:12] <sivang> sladen: it randomely hangs or by playing with the lid back and forth...rather sad.
[02:12] <sivang> sladen: whose he?
[02:13] <sladen> sivang: that could be mjg59's crack that tried to to S3 the machine when shutting the lid.
[02:14] <Schaap> Hi, im updating Ubuntu over SSH, i can shut down the window with out disturbing the upgrade process right?
[02:15] <mgedmin> Schaap, no
[02:15] <sladen> Schaap: has the update finished?
[02:16] <Schaap> still going
[02:16] <Pluk> schaap you need screen for that
[02:16] <Schaap> aha ok
[02:16] <Schaap> then i have to wait :)
[02:16] <null> any one here have dell 510m ? laptop
[02:16] <RubenV> null: problems?
[02:16] <sladen> Schaap: ah, do you mean ''can I *log out*'' ?  You might be able to do  ^Z bg [enter]  disown [enter] 
[02:17] <RubenV> I have an inspiron 8600c
[02:17] <sivang> Schaap: you need screen, then CTRL +A+D
[02:17] <RubenV> no they don't suspend ;)
[02:17] <mgedmin> I sometimes ^C an upgrade in progress, start screen, and immediatelly repeat the upgrade
[02:17] <sladen> Schaap: but doing it inside screen in the first place is a much better idea
[02:17] <mgedmin> then I can detach and let it finish in background
[02:17] <Lathiat> RubenV: my 8600 does
[02:17] <RubenV> sivang: if already running, that would be quite hard?
[02:17] <null> sivang: yeah i heard 8600 is a sweet machine
[02:17] <Lathiat> disk and ram
[02:17] <Schaap> nah, im in windows now
[02:17] <RubenV> Lathiat: really?
[02:17] <Lathiat> RubenV: yep
[02:17] <RubenV> really?
[02:17] <Lathiat> RubenV: ati or nvidia?
[02:17] <Schaap> and my sister needs to do home work
[02:17] <RubenV> nividia
[02:17] <RU63> when i upgrade a kernel... should i rm -r the old file that says 2.6.8.386?
[02:17] <null> im getting 510m, soon prolly in another week,
[02:17] <Schaap> sol Win+L is the solution :p
[02:17] <RubenV> *nvidia
[02:17] <Lathiat> RubenV: no
[02:17] <Lathiat> RU63: rather
[02:18] <Lathiat> RU63: no
[02:18] <tritium> RU63, if you want to remove it, remove the package
[02:18] <null> any ideas how long it took u guys after payment of money to get the lappy ?
[02:18] <Lathiat> null: from dell?
[02:18] <null> Lathiat: yeah from dell
[02:18] <Lathiat> 2 weeks for me
[02:18] <Lathiat> into australia
[02:18] <sladen> RU63: no.  just apt-get remove the old one
[02:18] <RU63> tritium ok
[02:18] <Lathiat> probably quicker if your in the US
[02:18] <RubenV> Lathiat: what kind of video do you have?
[02:18] <RU63> thanks guys
[02:18] <null> Lathiat: where in aus, iam in brisbane
[02:18] <Lathiat> RubenV: nvidia go 5200
[02:18] <RubenV> I guess I'll need to test some more
[02:18] <RubenV> nice!
[02:19] <RubenV> me too, i think
[02:19] <RU63> and how do i make someones name red when i type back?
[02:19] <Lathiat> RubenV: add Option "NvAgp" "0"
[02:19] <RU63> like u did for me
[02:19] <Lathiat> to your device section
[02:19] <Lathiat> and suspend should work
[02:19] <RubenV> Lathiat: does that disable agp?
[02:19] <null> Lathiat: whereabrs in aus ?
[02:19] <Lathiat> rubenv: yeh
[02:19] <RubenV> doesn't that hugely slow down your video?
[02:19] <Lathiat> RubenV: makes a big hit on graphics
[02:19] <Lathiat> like switching to a mozilla window
[02:19] <Lathiat> takes like half a second of 100% cpu
[02:19] <Lathiat> other stuff isnt so horrible
[02:19] <Lathiat> much better with it on
[02:19] <Lathiat> its a tradeoff
[02:20] <RubenV> how does it do normal desktop use then?
[02:20] <Lathiat> well i class taht as normal desktop use ;p
[02:20] <Lathiat> 3d works fine
[02:20] <Schaap> so anyhting else cools that i soo dont need but is a must g\have for ubuntu?
[02:20] <_santiago_> null, I can't find the "notebooks" link in tuxtops.com
[02:20] <RubenV> i'll have a go at it tonight :)
[02:20] <Lathiat> RubenV: my disk was swsusp2
[02:20] <Lathiat> RubenV: no idea waht the default one does
[02:20] <RubenV> manual patching thus
[02:20] <Lathiat> and i was using bernard blackhams hibernate script
[02:20] <Lathiat> for suspend to ram
[02:21] <Lathiat> i think its in universe now (package name hibernate)
[02:21] <RubenV> in what section did you put the nvagp?
[02:21] <Lathiat> RubenV: device
[02:21] <Lathiat> RubenV: i said that up above ;p
[02:21] <RubenV> I guess i'll have to set renderaccel to off? :)
[02:21] <RubenV> my bad, sry
[02:21] <Lathiat> dunno
[02:21] <Lathiat> i dont have it set to on
[02:21] <Lathiat> should i?
[02:22] <null> _santiago_: oops i gave u the wront website,
[02:22] <RubenV> i have it on, i'll test with on
[02:22] <RubenV> but when disabling agp
[02:22] <RubenV> it'll be slow as hell anyway
[02:22] <null> _santiago_: http://tuxmobil.org/dell.html everything is there
[02:22] <Lathiat> its not that horrendously bad
[02:22] <Lathiat> just annoying
[02:22] <Lathiat> has anyone tried to get twivniew going when you have custom X modelines?
[02:22] <Lathiat> cus i have custom modelines for my 1680x1050 but twinview wont bring that up on my first monitor
[02:22] <_santiago_> null, thanks :)
[02:25] <null> _santiago_: no problemo, i hope it helps cos i will be looking forward to use it for my dell 510m soon :-)
[02:25] <RubenV> hmmm, I better put a note that I disabled AGP
[02:25] <RubenV> so that I remember it when I notice my laptop acts funny tomorrow
[02:25] <tritium> RubenV, why did you disable AGP?
[02:25] <null> Lathiat: twinview, with nvidia, are u able to span the desktop to 2 monitors ?
[02:25] <RubenV> tritium: Lathiat advised me in order to be able to suspend my nvidia powered laptop
[02:25] <Lathiat> null: yes
[02:25] <Lathiat> null: but i cant get my first display up to full resolution?
[02:26] <RubenV> anyone managed to suspend nvidia with agp?
[02:26] <tritium> RubenV, me
[02:26] <null> Lathiat: what gfx card ?
[02:26] <Lathiat> null: nvidia go 5200
[02:26] <RubenV> tritium: any special settings?
[02:26] <tritium> I've got a GeForce4 440 Go
[02:27] <tritium> nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1
[02:27] <tritium> in my /etc/modules
[02:27] <null> i tried twinview, i could get 1600x1200 on both montiros, ohh this is desktop gforce4 gfx, but i can get only same display on both
[02:27] <tritium> that's it
[02:27] <tritium> Oh, disable video posting
[02:27] <RubenV> I'll have a further look at it tonight
[02:27] <RubenV> suspend would be nice
[02:27] <tritium> RubenV, you're on Hoary?
[02:27] <RubenV> yes
[02:28] <null> Lathiat: i mean its mirror on both the screens, how did u get desktop span 2 2nd monitor
[02:28] <tritium> And you've seen this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM
[02:28] <Lathiat> null: with TwinViewOrientation "RightOf"
[02:28] <Lathiat> or whatever
[02:28] <Lathiat> there are many places you can read up on it
[02:28] <RubenV> a while ago
[02:28] <tritium> ok
[02:28] <RubenV> I even sent some debug stuff to mjg59 a while back
[02:28] <jazzka> hi!
[02:29] <null> Lathiat:  n ur able to move between 2 screens the applications ?
[02:29] <RubenV> but then it just faded out of sight for some reason
[02:29] <Lathiat> null: yes
[02:29] <jazzka> is there any way to try a livecd (like ubuntu's) without burning it to a cd?
[02:29] <null> Lathiat: i tried dat to be the rightoff but couldnt get it work,
[02:29] <RubenV> perhaps I should start bugging mjg59 again :] 
[02:29] <tritium> RubenV, what laptop do you have?
[02:29] <RubenV> Dell Inspiron 8600c
[02:29] <G2k> hey guys what are some of ubuntu's strongpoints? im using gentoo and ive heard a bunch of great stuff about ubuntu and was thinking of trying it out
[02:29] <RubenV> hmmm
[02:30] <RubenV> the wiki page about PM seems updated a lot
[02:30] <tritium> Inspiron 8600 has some results
[02:30] <nevyn> it's debian. but a little easier
[02:30] <tritium> RubenV, check HoaryPMResults
[02:30] <RubenV> watching it now
[02:30] <RubenV> that line wasn't there a while ago
[02:30] <nevyn> G2k: that was too you.
[02:30] <null> Lathiat: can u send me ur xorg.conf ?
[02:30] <RubenV> whem the HoaryPM page was still about some older kernel
[02:30] <tritium> it's been there for a few weeks ;)
[02:30] <RubenV> thanks tritium :)
[02:30] <Lathiat> null: i dont have it working atm
[02:31] <tritium> sure thing
[02:31] <Lathiat> null: just google around theres plenty of examples
[02:31] <G2k> nevyn: so what package manager does it use? apt?
[02:31] <RubenV> tritium: the past month i've done nothing but studying
[02:31] <RubenV> bloody university
[02:31] <tritium> RubenV, glad to be done with that :
[02:31] <tritium> :)
[02:31] <nevyn> G2k: dpkg like debian.
[02:31] <null> Lathiat: do u wanna have a look at mine, i have one, but i get only clone eventho its left off
[02:31] <nevyn> apt is not a package manager.
[02:31] <Lathiat> null: too busy atm sorry
[02:31] <G2k> nevyn: wll..ya got my point ^_^
[02:32] <null> ahh okies
[02:32] <nevyn> but the "normal" person would use synaptic
[02:32] <G2k> ?
[02:32] <null> any one else running twinview with nvidia ?
[02:32] <nevyn> G2k: root is disabled by default.  the gui is reasonably consistant and clean
[02:33] <nevyn> synaptic is a gui frontend for apt
[02:33] <magiccheese> thanks for the help earlier btw guys
[02:34] <magiccheese> i look forward to working with you again as i continue to learn this new os and get it set up
[02:34] <G2k> nevyn: root is disabled?? wtf. so its like windows? one user manages everything. and what do u mean by gui being consistent? it uses gnome i presume
[02:34] <nevyn> root is disabled by default. it doesn't listen on any services.
[02:35] <nevyn> you can't login to the system as root you don't set a root password during install.
[02:35] <Schaap> Where is a good Shellscripting tutorial
[02:35] <nevyn> the user that you create during install has sudo access tho.
[02:35] <Schaap> just basics like writing test to a file
[02:35] <Schaap> text
[02:35] <G2k> nevyn: why did they take the root off?
[02:35] <nevyn> echo "sometext" > somefile
[02:35] <Schaap> i wanna try a script that makes a LAMP and logs it
[02:35] <nevyn> G2k: why do you need it?
[02:36] <Schaap> aha, and replacing text?
[02:36] <G2k> nevyn: who manages system files, other users, kernel etc
[02:37] <nevyn> root still exists.
[02:37] <nevyn> it's just there's no need to use it in ubuntu the default user can do everything with sudo
[02:37] <nevyn> Schaap: sed tr perl pick your favorite.
[02:38] <nightgoat> g2k: you can reenable root by assigning root a password.
[02:38] <Schaap> Yeah, still need a tut :) cant ask you guys to explain everything
[02:38] <tritium> I was going to try out the new LiveCD, but nautilus apparently can't erase CD-RWs any more...
[02:38] <jdub> G2k: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[02:38] <nevyn> G2k: but it's a bad idea.
[02:38] <jdub> G2k: you don't need a root account enabled at all ;)
[02:39] <jdub> G2k: this is not at all like windows, btw.
[02:40] <G2k> m...i guess im too used to gentoo
[02:40] <nevyn> good stay there.
[02:40] <G2k> wow, welcoming community
[02:40] <G2k> bye
[02:41] <magiccheese> how hard is it to enable agp
[02:41] <tritium> hmm, how can I erase a CD-RW?  nautilus no longer can...
[02:41] <thenuke> tritium: k3b?
[02:42] <tritium> thenuke, yeah, if I wanted that installed
[02:42] <tritium> too many kde libs
[02:42] <thenuke> now you have reason to install it :)
[02:42] <thenuke> ok
[02:42] <tritium> thanks, though
[02:42] <tritium> gnome keeps removing useful applets and features
[02:43] <magiccheese> whats involved in enabeling agp
[02:43] <fwiffo> magiccheese, what do you mean enable agp?
[02:43] <tritium> magiccheese, nvidia card?
[02:44] <magiccheese> my ati card is listed as being on pci sot 1 instead of agp
[02:45] <magiccheese> i read somthing about enabling your agp slot
[02:45] <mjr> agp looks like a pci bus to the OS
[02:45] <nevyn> sortof.
[02:45] <magiccheese> this is all new to me
[02:45] <nevyn> agp is pci for initialisation. but it's not really like pci
[02:46] <mjr> well, sort of yeah
[02:46] <pisuke> same happened to me in another pc
[02:46] <magiccheese> i cant find any controls as far as setting the stuff up
[02:46] <pisuke> a nvidia card was detected in 2:0:0
[02:46] <pisuke> instead of 1:0:0
[02:46] <pisuke> by lspci and xfree
[02:47] <pisuke> don't know if it afects performance
[02:47] <pisuke> agpart was loaded correctly
[02:48] <fwiffo> pisuke, it should get listed by lspci
[02:48] <pisuke> fwiffo, yep it was listed
[02:48] <pisuke> in pci position 2:0:0
[02:48] <pisuke> it was a dual amd64
[02:48] <fwiffo> that shouldn't matter
[02:49] <pisuke> that's what i thought
[02:49] <pisuke> just was surprised
[02:49] <fwiffo> it's just its id on the bus
[02:49] <magiccheese> how do i se if agpart was loaded
[02:49] <fwiffo> lsmod|grep agpgart
[02:50] <tritium> there needs to be an option to "umount", not just "eject" auto-mounted CDs
[02:50] <magiccheese> is that the command
[02:50] <fwiffo> magiccheese, yes
[02:50] <magiccheese> im new to the linux world
[02:50] <magiccheese> man theres alot to learn
[02:50] <fwiffo> magiccheese, that's ok ;)
[02:50] <pisuke> magiccheese, you can also have a look at /var/log/XFree86.log.0
[02:51] <magiccheese> im liking it though
[02:51] <magiccheese> i like this irc channel thats set up its helped alot
[02:51] <pisuke> sorry, it's XFree86.0.log
[02:52] <fwiffo> magiccheese, you could also try 'dmesg|grep agp'
[02:52] <fwiffo> magiccheese, then you should be able to see which agp mode is used (x1 x2 x4...)
[02:56] <magiccheese> after dmesg what icon is that
[02:56] <fwiffo> thats a vertical bar
[02:57] <magiccheese> lol which key is that
[02:57] <fwiffo> i'm not sure how you make with other keyboard layouts than mine (danish) :)
[02:57] <Bigtoe> pipes
[02:57] <Bigtoe> above the enter key on a US keyboard
[02:58] <magiccheese> thanks
[02:58] <fwiffo> pretty much the same here, but I need to do altgr and that
[02:58] <fwiffo> super :)
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[02:59] <fwiffo> :)
[02:59] <magiccheese> agpgart: Detected SiS 746 chipset
[02:59] <magiccheese> agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 816M
[02:59] <magiccheese> agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xd0000000
[03:00] <magiccheese> its using my onboard video isnt it i have a ati card
[03:00] <fwiffo> it should i guess
[03:01] <fwiffo> which ch
[03:01] <fwiffo> which chip is it?
[03:01] <magiccheese> my card
[03:01] <fwiffo> fx. mine is an Radeon 7200
[03:01] <fwiffo> yes
[03:01] <magiccheese> 9600xt
[03:01] <fwiffo> onboard?
[03:02] <magiccheese> video built in to the mobo
[03:02] <fwiffo> ok
[03:02] <magiccheese> forgive me if im confused
[03:02] <fwiffo> you could try 'glxgears' then you get a sort of benchmark
[03:03] <fwiffo> just to see how fast it's working right now
[03:03] <magiccheese> is that a program
[03:03] <fwiffo> yes, yu should have it i think
[03:04] <fwiffo> have you installed the ati driver for the card?
[03:04] <magiccheese> how do i run it
[03:04] <fwiffo> type
[03:04] <fwiffo> glxgears
[03:04] <magiccheese> in the command
[03:05] <fwiffo> yes
[03:06] <magiccheese> man there are so many cool things in this os
[03:06] <kanbela> help me out here: should i start installing ubuntu? i'm new to linux and i'm afraid my laptop wouldn't like it cos it didn't like mandrake
[03:06] <fwiffo> hehe, yeah
[03:06] <magiccheese> 1695 frames in 5.0 seconds = 339.000 FPS
[03:06] <fwiffo> kanbela, you could try the liveCD first
[03:07] <magiccheese> thats my fps in the default window size
[03:07] <bitfoo> :|
[03:07] <kanbela> i'm running livecd now, as a matter of fact :)
[03:07] <tritium> kanbela, and it liked your laptop?
[03:07] <fwiffo> ok, thats not so impressive - i get 3084 frames in 5.0 seconds = 616.800 FPS
[03:08] <kanbela> seems to work but i'm afraid something happens in installation
[03:08] <bitfoo> 600 fps isnt impressive?
[03:08] <fwiffo> ypu might want to try and install the dglrx driver
[03:08] <magiccheese> i need some tweaking then dont i
[03:08] <fwiffo> bitfoo, mine is R7200 his is R9600
[03:09] <magiccheese> ati i believe has some new drivers
[03:09] <fwiffo> magiccheese, yes - they should be in the package system (synaptic)
[03:09] <magiccheese> im just glad today to be up and running
[03:10] <magiccheese> i installed and i had to acsess xfree to get my video up
[03:10] <fwiffo> magiccheese, yes if you are not going to be doing great 3D stuff then perhaps it's just too much trouble for no real benefit
[03:11] <magiccheese> i will use it for a few games
[03:11] <magiccheese> how hard is it
[03:11] <SteveA> my laptop hung when i removed the removeable cd drive on the latest hoary kernel.  it never used to do this under warty.
[03:11] <fwiffo> ok, try to take a look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:12] <pisuke> how can i know the maximum agpmode that my videocard supports?
[03:12] <magiccheese> should say at the site
[03:12] <fwiffo> magiccheese, the wiki really has some great info ;)
[03:13] <magiccheese> ok ill follow the link thanks
[03:13] <magiccheese> i appreciate the help guys
[03:13] <fwiffo> magiccheese, you're welcome :)
[03:13] <emanuelez> is the metacity bug been fixed?
[03:16] <tritium> "The system is going down NOW!! this console." message on the LiveCD startled me.  I thought it failed to boot at first.
[03:17] <veejey> Hello, can anybody guide me how to play midi files in my ubuntu? My card is sb16
[03:22] <veejey> Hello, can anybody guide me how to play midi files in my ubuntu? My card is sb16
[03:23] <tritium> veejey, I'm not too familiar with midi players.  Try "apt-cache search midi" on the command line.
[03:23] <tritium> browse the package descriptions, and if you see one you want to try, you can install it
[03:23] <jk24> Hi
[03:24] <jk24> anybody have X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h ?
[03:25] <jk24> oops, sorry, google just tel me
[03:26] <veejey> tritium: i installed midi player but got no output; it says open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory
[03:28] <green_> hi all
[03:28] <green_>  :)
[03:28] <tritium> hi green_
[03:28] <green_> why ubuntu cannot play wma ?
[03:28] <Pluk> hiya
[03:28] <jacksparrow> 'hi all
[03:28] <jacksparrow> Somebody use external dvd-rw on usb?
[03:28] <green_> xmms cannot play my wma files?
[03:28] <green_> is there anyone can play wma with xmms?
[03:30] <tritium> green_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[03:31] <Bigtoe> doesn't kaffeine play wma files?
[03:33] <nightgoat> anyone have any success making the conversion from xfree86 to xorg?
[03:33] <LaurenceRowe> You need mplayer and the codecs from some other apt source to play wma
[03:33] <nightgoat> is it just installing the right debs and converting the XF86Config.4 file?
[03:37] <PDU-X> hi
[03:37] <PDU-X> i have a problem with the new hoary
[03:37] <PDU-X> i need to restart about 3 times in order that the eth1 interface (wireless) appears
[03:37] <PDU-X> any tip?
[03:39] <pybe-lappy> PDU-X: check your network settings
[03:39] <tritium> nightgoat, xorg will install /etc/X11/xorg.conf upon installation
[03:40] <PDU-X> pybe-lappy why? before upgrading it was working
[03:40] <pybe-lappy> nightgoat: search the wikki for hoary upgrade, it mentions the xorg part in there
[03:40] <PDU-X> and now some times work some times no
[03:40] <pybe-lappy> PDU-X: whats the device
[03:41] <PDU-X> ipw2100 (wireless in a centrino)
[03:41] <pybe-lappy> PDU-X: are there any messages in the logs or at boot saying its failed
[03:41] <PDU-X> where can i find the logs
[03:41] <pybe-lappy> PDU-X: does that use ndiswrapper?
[03:41] <nightgoat> pybe-lappy, thanks.
[03:41] <PDU-X> i dunnow, i don't think
[03:41] <pybe-lappy> nightgoat: hth
[03:41] <tritium> I think it does
[03:41] <PDU-X> it uses a own driver
[03:42] <PDU-X> but if i make a lspci i can see the device
[03:42] <scoon> anyone here using openoffice2 ?
[03:42] <scoon> if so how do you like it ?
[03:42] <ronny_fro> where do I find the installer
[03:42] <ronny_fro> eg, to install sshd etc
[03:42] <tritium> scoon, I gave it a try.  I haven't noticed a big difference.
[03:43] <ronny_fro> I see archive manager but theres no package list or anything of that nature
[03:43] <Rotundo> ronny_fro: do you mean synaptic ?
[03:43] <Rotundo> ronny_fro: system tools
[03:43] <ronny_fro> yes I suppose so
[03:43] <scoon> tritium, are you using the hoary deb's or did you install from OO ?
[03:43] <tritium> scoon, the new database application like MS Access isn't available yet
[03:43] <tritium> scoon, Hoary debs
[03:43] <pybe-lappy> PDU-X: whats lspci call the device?
[03:43] <ronny_fro> I dont have that
[03:43] <scoon> tritium, did you leave OO1 in as well ?
[03:43] <Rotundo> ronny_fro: in your desktop menu
[03:43] <PDU-X> Intel Pro Wireless 2100... etc..
[03:44] <tritium> scoon, yes, both can be installed simultaneously
[03:44] <ronny_fro> also, I dont recall setting a root password in the install
[03:44] <PDU-X> i do a modprobe ipw2100 but notjing
[03:44] <tritium> ronny_fro, that's correct
[03:44] <Rotundo> ronny_fro: ubuntu does enable root at first you use your password to run "sudo"
[03:44] <ronny_fro> oh good
[03:44] <ronny_fro> it puts my nick in sudoers
[03:45] <Rotundo> ronny_fro: that allows you superuser privileges when needed
[03:45] <ronny_fro> I am very familliar with sudo
[03:45] <tritium> ronny_fro, that's the recommended approach, rather than using the root account
[03:45] <Rotundo> ronny_fro: if you run any gui apps that need root from the menu you'll get s sudo dialog asking for your password.
[03:46] <Rotundo> ronny_fro: otherwise from a term you should use sudo as ussual
[03:46] <snowblink> ronny_fro: gksudo /usr/sbin/synaptic
[03:46] <ronny_fro> cool... I agree... just used to having to login as root, edit sudoers file etc
[03:46] <Rotundo> snowblink: where in the menu should synaptic be, he can't seem to find it
[03:47] <tritium> Rotundo, on Hoary?
[03:47] <snowblink> Rotundo: warty has it under computer->sys config
[03:47] <tritium> Desktop->Administration on Hoary
[03:47] <ronny_fro> wow
[03:48] <ronny_fro> gnome on this box runs CONSIDERABLY slower than osx
[03:48] <tritium> ronny_fro, what machine?
[03:48] <ronny_fro> macmini
[03:48] <tritium> nice
[03:49] <Rotundo> well I am not running ubuntu right now (at home I just installed it two days ago fro the first time) and in debian its under Applications, so I wasn't sure if I was giving him good info :)
[03:49] <tritium> ronny_fro, do you have a digital camera?  could you take a pic of ubuntu running on mac mini?
[03:49] <ronny_fro> digital camera? I could take a screenshot
[03:49] <ronny_fro> but I dont have public webspace
[03:50] <tritium> But that won't look much different from ubuntu on any other machine
[03:50] <Zindar> ronny: how much memory in that box?
[03:50] <Rotundo> ronny_fro: I think they want to see the machine in the shot as well
[03:50] <ronny_fro> 256, it will be upgraded
[03:50] <tritium> ronny_fro, this is what I was thinking of: http://www.gentoo.org/images/gwn/20050124_mini.jpg
[03:50] <Sav> anyone know how to prevent the screen som getting in idle mode while watching a movie
[03:50] <Zindar> ronny: I can imagine that gnome eats it all while osX is somewhat nicer... to start with
[03:50] <Sav> som form
[03:51] <ronny_fro> well gnome is sexy as all hell
[03:51] <Zindar> sav: change the screensaver options
[03:51] <ronny_fro> but I planned on installing ubuntu and hopefully tweaking the crap out of it
[03:51] <snowblink> This guy ended up selling his mini mac after trying linux on it http://krussell.com/mini/
[03:51] <ronny_fro> well I think people had a lot of unrealistic expectations
[03:52] <ronny_fro> the machine when comparing linux on the mini and linux on a equivalently priced pc... theres a big difference
[03:52] <ronny_fro> the fact of the matter is apples hardware is still superior in handling multimedia stuff
[03:52] <erik> hey, does anyone know of any prepackaged emacs CVS snapshots?
[03:53] <ronny_fro> does xorg xwindows run faster than xfree?
[03:54] <LinuxJones> ronny_fro, no
[03:54] <ronny_fro> hmm
[03:54] <ronny_fro> no package for xdirectfb
[03:57] <snowblink> does anyone here use Thunderbird 1.0?
[03:58] <tritium> snowblink, I'm using it
[03:58] <snowblink> any ideas how to get it to respect column width restrictions when reading & replying?
[03:58] <lavigj> quick question, is anyone using network manager?
[03:58] <scoon> one thing, oo2 does a better job of viewing ms word docs than oo
[03:59] <tritium> snowblink, does the "Wrap plain messages at XX characters" setting not work?
[03:59] <snowblink> tritium: only when composing new messages
[03:59] <tritium> snowblink, I hadn't noticed
[03:59] <snowblink> tritium: Type a long sentence as a reply to something
[04:00] <ronny_fro> so synaptic doesnt list xdirectfb patch
[04:00] <ronny_fro> er package
[04:00] <snowblink> tritium: I'm hoping it's a setting I've just overlooked.
[04:00] <ronny_fro> what do I need to search for to find a package I can actually install
[04:00] <snowblink> ronny_fro: check your repositories
[04:00] <Rotundo> ronny_fro: in synaptic you can search for it
[04:00] <ronny_fro> I searched
[04:00] <tritium> snowblink, you're right
[04:00] <ronny_fro> I've got DIRECTFB
[04:00] <ronny_fro> but not xdirectfb
[04:01] <snowblink> tritium: sorry, now you noticed it it will bug you forever!
[04:01] <Rotundo> ronny_fro: in a terminal you can "apt-cache search <Searchterm>"
[04:01] <tritium> ronny_fro, "apt-cache search" on the command line can be useful too
[04:01] <tritium> snowblink, yeah, no kidding :)
[04:01] <ronny_fro> nothin
[04:02] <ronny_fro> thats what I was sayingj
[04:02] <snowblink> tritium: I believe the end result is okay, but I can't tell because the other thing that's foobared is the width when reading.
[04:02] <ronny_fro> if I need to find the correct .<package extension>
[04:02] <tritium> ronny_fro, search term "directfb" gives some results, though I'm not sure if it's what you're looking for
[04:02] <snowblink> ronny_fro: what repositories are you using?
[04:03] <ronny_fro> all the ones listed that I can check.
[04:03] <tritium> snowblink, I switch back and forth between thunderbird and evolution.  They both have their bugs.
[04:03] <ronny_fro> deb/debsrc
[04:03] <ronny_fro> and cdrom
[04:03] <snowblink> tritium: I'm switching between thunderbird and mutt
[04:04] <snowblink> ronny_fro: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[04:05] <snowblink> ronny_fro: try setting up the repositories in the guide and see if you have any luck
[04:06] <snowblink> his mini mac must have died. ;)
[04:06] <LesleyB> what's the relationships between dpkg, aptitude and synaptic?
[04:06] <LesleyB> do they all work off the same data set?
[04:06] <LesleyB> so if I upgrade/install using one of them that will then show in the others
[04:07] <Lathiat> LesleyB: more or less
[04:08] <RU63> heya, i just installed 686, but now when i go to upgrade, the upgrade want's to upgrade 386.. should i do this?
[04:08] <Lathiat> it wont hurt
[04:08] <Rotundo> LesleyB: basically dpkg is very low level, and synaptic and aptitude are easier to use front ends that handle more for you.
[04:09] <Rotundo> RU63: you can remove 386 if 686 works for you
[04:09] <Lathiat> RU63: upgrading it wont hurt tho (just a big download) -- itl use 686 over it
[04:10] <RU63> Rotundo: ok, thanks
[04:10] <LesleyB> ty Rotundo
[04:12] <RU63> Lathiat: thanks..
[04:13] <lavigj> quick question, is anyone using NetworkManager with gnome?
[04:14] <green_> hi all
[04:14] <green_> :)
[04:14] <mxreader> hey
[04:14] <green_> i got libwma.so now in /usr/lib64/xmms/Input/libwma.so
[04:15] <green_> so its easy that xmms can run wma
[04:15] <green_> is there anyone who wants to play wma with xmms its easy
[04:16] <green_> just put the libwma.so in  /usr/lib64/xmms/Input/
[04:16] <green_> c u
[04:17] <mxreader> i'm having prob with a website that requires IE, since i've only got ubuntu loaded is there a workaround?
[04:18] <Sav> mxreader, mail the webadmin and tell him to get better skills coding.
[04:18] <Rotundo> heheheh
[04:18] <RU63> What does this mean?  IRQ: ignored
[04:18] <mindphasr> whats with my cdrom only ripping at 2.5x on a 48x32 cdrom with a grip nice value of -18..and encoding at only 2.8x
[04:19] <scoon> mxreader, there is a firefox plugin that will allow you to change the way firefox introduces itself to web servers.
[04:20] <mxreader> scoon, ok whats the name of the plugin?
[04:20] <scoon> mxreader, dunno.  it is easy enuff to find tho.  i don't need to use it.
[04:21] <mxreader> scoon, k i'll go check it out ta
[04:21] <Rotundo> mxreader: even if you use the plugin still write to the webmaster, it'll will do us all good.
[04:22] <mxreader> rotundo, cant... its a government department
[04:22] <Rotundo> mxreader: is there a law against contacting the gov't ?
[04:23] <mxreader> no but its not going to be done tomorrow... heck they cant even support mac properly
[04:24] <Rotundo> I wasn't suggesting that you'll get change over night, I was simply saying that letting them know puts it on the radar, and if enough people complain then maybe in the future supporting web standards will be something they consider, but if you just mask your firefox as IE, well then they will never even see that firefox is being used to view the site.
[04:26] <ragtrx> Real quick guys, acceptable specs for ubuntu machine accessed remotely through SSH: P1 100MHZ, 256Mb Ram, 1Gb HD?
[04:27] <ragtrx> it will be used for simple command line text editing, and G++ compiling.
[04:27] <nevyn> ragtrx: sure.
[04:27] <zenwhen> ragtrx, if it doesnt need to run X, that should be fine
[04:27] <shock> yeah
[04:27] <nevyn> ragtrx: 256mb of ram on a P1 ?
[04:27] <ragtrx> x is the graphics correct?
[04:27] <zenwhen> yes
[04:27] <shock> yeah
[04:27] <nevyn> you could get by with just 32meg for those tasds
[04:27] <nevyn> bleh s/tasds/tasks/
[04:27] <shock> well... the more, the better
[04:28] <nevyn> sure but is that even possible .
[04:28] <shock> 32 is really slow - i set up a machine like that four routing
[04:28] <nevyn> sure it's a p1? not a ppro or PII ?
[04:28] <shock> its running nicely
[04:28] <mxreader> rotundo, yeah that may be worth the effort although only a select group will actually use the site... I mean in the hundreds only.
[04:28] <ragtrx> yea, its just an old pc lying around the house, and I want to start using ubuntu, but scared to do it on usual PC
[04:28] <Rotundo> mxreader: I was just suggesting a little something for the community, you don't have to do it :)
[04:28] <ragtrx> hey guys thanks a lot, I appreciate it
[04:29] <nevyn> ragtrx: if you don't run the gui it'd be great.
[04:29] <ragtrx> nevyn: so I would need more machine to run gui, correct?
[04:29] <Rotundo> ragtrx: don't be scared, the ubuntu gui is very friendly and nice, if you could spare a partition for it, dual booting is very easy
[04:29] <lavigj> does anyone know how to use the Network Manager applet?
[04:29] <other> lavigj: what do you need help with?
[04:30] <nevyn> ragtrx: not terribly much more.. but I'd say p6 class would be what I'd reccomend
[04:30] <ragtrx> rotundo, can I just put it on a seperate HD and dual boot, and access it from windows
[04:30] <nevyn> ragtrx: anything around 500mhz would be ok.
[04:30] <ragtrx> rotundo, I am pretty sure that is possible, but I don't know how to do it, or where to read about it
[04:31] <nevyn> a 100mhz p5 will be kinda slow for stuff like rendering webpages and compiling and stuff.
[04:31] <Rotundo> ragtrx: you would need 3rd party software to access a ubuntu partition from windows (if you know any tell me!) but yes the ubuntu install will set up the dual boot automatically
[04:31] <nevyn> Rotundo: umm colinux, exploree2fs
[04:32] <shock> er... there is this (i thin k commercial) software "ext2 anywhere" or something like that
[04:32] <ragtrx> rotundo, nevyn: how would I switch between the two
[04:32] <nevyn> exploree2fs is free I thought
[04:32] <nevyn> ragtrx: at boot time.
[04:33] <Rotundo> do any of these mount the ext3 partition like a standard drive?
[04:33] <lavigj> godsmoke: just getting it to launch, getting the applet in the toolbar, things like that
[04:33] <ragtrx> nevyn: oh ok, that is what I thought, I really want something where I can have windows up and still have access to ubuntu; so seperate PC should work for now, especially since I only want to learn basic command line things at the moment
[04:33] <godsmoke> lavigj: well ... I'm not sure where your question is -- you click on the icon, either through the applications menu or whatever -- what else do you want to know?
[04:34] <Rotundo> ragtrx: I am exclusively a debian (and now ubuntu) user, but I have one machine that dual boots, the ubuntu install handled it very quickly and easily durring install. really very simply...
[04:34] <lavigj> godsmoke: how do I make that application appear? is there a way to add an applet that has not been recognized by the system?
[04:34] <Gusto_> can anyone help me set up some kind of identd?
[04:34] <occy> anyone here know what I can apt-get install to make soundjuicer extract to mp3?
[04:34] <ragtrx> nevyn, rotundo: at college no room for another PC, monitor, etc; so I was thinking set it up and then access via SSH
[04:35] <nevyn> ragtrx: you could use colinux for that and just access it in windows
[04:35] <guillem> Hi. I wish to create a very simple bootable CD with linux kernel, network card detection and up via dhcp, graphic car detection and X11 configuration and vncviewer and perhaps some other programs... Where can I find information of how to do that?
[04:35] <nevyn> ragtrx: I'd reccomend that.
[04:35] <godsmoke> lavigj: you just use a 'launcher' in the toolbar, and tell it to launch that program
[04:35] <nevyn> colinux runs as a service under windows.
 ragtrx: I am exclusively a debian (and now ubuntu) user, but I have one machine that dual boots, the ubuntu install handled it very quickly and easily durring install. really very simply... <-- same here. was a piece of cake, and ubuntu behaves VERY well when creating multi-boot systems (debian/ubuntu/winxp)
[04:35] <Rotundo> ragtrx: a gui over ssh on a P1 100 will be tough... I would say take the 1GB HD you have and plop it in the current mahcine you sue and install ubuntu on it with a dual boot, if your really looking into checking out the full features
[04:36] <ragtrx> ok, I'll have to read more about that
[04:36] <Rotundo> www.ubuntulinux.org
[04:36] <ragtrx> about colinux and others
[04:36] <nevyn> ragtrx: if youre willing to not have gui stuff for now.
[04:37] <nevyn> but half the point of linux is that the apps are allround better except firefox.
[04:37] <lavigj> godsmoke: that's just it, I am also having trouble even getting the program to run. I know it is there, and that it should run, but it is not. Plus, it comes with a gnome-applet. you can find the ubuntu port at http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager, and the official site at http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManger
[04:37] <godsmoke> lavigj: I'm not sure what you mean -- when you click on it, it doesn't start?
[04:38] <nevyn> and openoffice.org it's better than word but that's not saying much.
[04:38] <godsmoke> openoffice is extremely bloated
[04:38] <ragtrx> nevyn: yea, this is just temporary though; I should have enough cash to pick up a laptop by the spring, I hear ubuntu and linux overall are good for laptops
[04:38] <godsmoke> moreso than microsoft office
[04:38] <nevyn> godsmoke: it's still based on the same broken paradigm
[04:38] <lavigj> godsmoke: there is nothing to click on. when I try to run it from commandline, I can't even figure out the syntax to get it working. there are no man pages, and --help isn't helping me. Do you have any more ideas where I could look for help? that's why i was wondering if ayone was actually using it here
[04:39] <Rotundo> godsmoke: abiword, gnumeric :)
[04:39] <nevyn> that's like half document preparation half desktop publishing
[04:39] <ragtrx> ok well I have to run to class; thanks guys, I'll let you knwo how things turn out
[04:39] <nevyn> maintaining a document in word or openoffice is painfull.
[04:39] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: what's broken about it?
[04:39] <godsmoke> ragtrx: on the whole, the OS doesn't matter -- but there are quite a few proprietary laptop setups where there will be almost no linux support
[04:39] <ragtrx> thanks again
[04:39] <tritium> Do I need to install dhelp or something to get yelp to work right?
[04:39] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: why should document preparation be separate from DTP?
[04:40] <nevyn> because they're different tasks.
[04:40] <godsmoke> lavigj: you're not making sense -- the network config thing in gnome isn't to be run from the command line -- you run it from the settings menu, or whereever it is in gnome
[04:40] <nevyn> the problem is they're very similar for small documents
[04:40] <occy> anyone know how I can get lame for Ubuntu?
[04:40] <godsmoke> Rotundo: we're talking about office suites -- those are irrelivant
[04:40] <ragtrx> sorry, real quick, I want to save this conversation, any way to do so, or copy/paste it?
[04:40] <godsmoke> uh
[04:40] <godsmoke> copy-paste it if you don't have logs on
[04:40] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: agreed, they're different tasks, but there's no reason for them not to be done within the same app - let alone the same suite of apps
[04:40] <erik> well first I'd copy it
[04:40] <tritium> I get "XML Parsing Error: undefined entity" for a lot of the help topics in yelp
[04:41] <erik> then paste
[04:41] <lavigj> godsmoke. it is NOT in gnome, even after restarting X. do you have any suggestions on either 1) where to get gnome to find it, 2) where to look for more help, or 3) how to use the application itself.
[04:41] <Rotundo> ragtrx: what app are you using, gaim is autologging everything for me :)
[04:41] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: meh I like LaTeX for documents scribus/kword for dtp.
[04:41] <ragtrx> rotundo: mIRC
[04:41] <lavigj> godsmoke: this is not the built in gnome network config. this is a different application called network manager.
[04:42] <godsmoke> lavigj: you're confused -- the network config app is a GNOME application -- it's not a command-line application -- if you want to configure the network via command line, use ifconfig -- as far as "how to use it" -- that's a silly question, when it's there, you select the interface you want to configure, and say static, dhcp, or bootp, and then that's it
[04:42] <erik> where can I set the DPI used by GTK if I'm not using gnome?
[04:42] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: that's perfectably acceptable, but I think it's way over the top to claim that combining functions within a single program is "a broken paradigm".
[04:42] <godsmoke> lavigj: if this is some 3rd party application -- why are you asking about it in here?
[04:43] <godsmoke> lavigj: this channel is for ubuntu issues
[04:43] <lavigj> godsmoke: go look at those links. I am not talking about the network-config which is a gnome app.
[04:43] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: I don't think so.
[04:43] <tritium> lavigj, did you read http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/ ?
[04:43] <lavigj> godsmoke: because I am trying to get the ubuntu install to work with it
[04:43] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: the paradigm focuses on the visual apearence of the document rather than the structure of the document
[04:43] <Gusto_> why doesnt oidentd work in ubuntu
[04:43] <lavigj> tritium: yeah, I followed the installation directions there, but I am having trouble actually using it. I can't figure out where to launch it from or how to configure an applet to use it
[04:44] <tritium> lavigj, especially important is to read the section under "Note:"
[04:44] <godsmoke> lavigj: but this is a specific package -- and the package maintainer has a website about it
[04:44] <nevyn> for anything larger than ~20 pages this is wrong. I know it's possible to use styles to do almost semantic type layout in wordlike programs but it's not how people tend to actually use them
[04:44] <tritium> lavigj, did you add it to your session?  did you manually restart dbus?
[04:44] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: so by "the broken paradigm" you don't mean the combination of DTP and document preparation within a single program, but a half-hearted attempt to do both
[04:44] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: right.
[04:45] <occy> I did:   apt-get install liblame0 lame lame-extras     and then ran soundjuicer, and it still says I don't have support for mp3 extraction.
[04:45] <lavigj> godsmoke: yeah... that's the link I quoted. it is about 20 lines long. which is why I was hoping to find another ubuntu user who was actually using it.
[04:45] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: okay, but that's not really a broken paradigm: it's a failure to achieve a paradigm in the first place
[04:45] <occy> (added multiverse to my sources.list)
[04:45] <lavigj> tritium: I did restart dbus... I will try doing the session thing again. I thought I had gotten it but I will try that again
[04:45] <godsmoke> lavigj: you still -- in 20 minutes -- have not asked a specific question
[04:45] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: the problem is people write a small document.. using direct formating and it grows everyone adding a bit... etc
[04:46] <lavigj> godsmoke: how much more specific would you like me to be?
[04:46] <tritium> pretty sad that I need help with "yelp" (the help system), but it doesn't load certain help documents (e.g. DiveIntoPython)
[04:46] <godsmoke> lavigj: what steps you took that didn't work
[04:46] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: anything with multiple editors/writers and visual formating rather than semantic formating is painfull.
[04:46] <tritium> is yelp just borked right now?
[04:47] <mindphasr> occy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=957&page=1&pp=10
[04:47] <occy> mindphasr: heh, k.
[04:47] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: agreed, although in the case of small documents, does it ever really matter? If you're talking about that subset of docs which start off small and grow larger ... well it seems strange to dismiss Word etc as a broken paradigm because of that subset.
[04:47] <mindphasr> occy: However, I suggest grip. Much more robust than soundjuicer
[04:47] <lavigj> tritium: I am going to try restarting gnome again. ctrl+alt+bksp should be all that is needed, right? (I ask because that's what I thought I did before)
[04:48] <tritium> lavigj, no, you need to logout, and when you do, save your session
[04:48] <lavigj> godsmoke: alright, I added the source repository, got the package and installed the package, restarted dbus, added it to session, restarted gnome, and I am not finding it. I think tritium might have the answer though
[04:48] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: that subset is one of the problems the other one is that people grow accustomed to using visual layout for documents and don't change to semantic type layout when doing large documents
[04:48] <lavigj> tritium: ok, thanks
[04:48] <lavigj> tritium: I am going to try that, hopefully it work
[04:48] <lavigj> s
[04:48] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: not necessarily... because it's difficult to reduce all the complexity of real documents to a simple set of semantic rules ... witness the potential problems when W3C starts talking about getting rid of <em> tags
[04:48] <occy> mindphasr: yeah?  hmmm
[04:48] <occy> root@howto:~ # apt-cache search gstreamer |grep lame
[04:48] <occy> root@howto:~ #
[04:49] <occy> (I'm a big U2 fan, so I name all my boxes after U2 songs etc...  "How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb")
[04:49] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: don't even start me talking about the W3C
[04:49] <nevyn> font's in px are WRONG.
[04:49] <occy> :)
[04:49] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: that's because semantic structuring isn't as "natural" as visual layout
[04:50] <tritium> can someone please try to read "Dive Into Pyton" in yelp (on Hoary)
[04:50] <tritium> it's under Applications -> Programming
[04:50] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: it doesn't make sense (yet at least) for all word processor users to learn semantic structure in order to type letters, just so that its easier for them to go on to edit large docs
[04:50] <TTilus> TreadingSoftly: getting rid of em?
[04:50] <BockBilbo> help..
[04:50] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: therefore the market for old-paradigm word processing remains very large
[04:50] <BockBilbo> a friend has just switched to hoawy
[04:51] <BockBilbo> and...
[04:51] <BockBilbo> gdm works
[04:51] <nevyn> really they are wrong. because if you run your desktop at 2048x1280 on a 17" monitor you can't read webpages because the w3c let's people specify fonts in px
[04:51] <BockBilbo> but when trying to log in to gnome
[04:51] <TTilus> TreadingSoftly: wasnt <em> about getting rid of <i> and <b> ?  :)
[04:51] <Rotundo> BockBilbo: you can ask all in one line you know
[04:51] <BockBilbo> just a shell appears
[04:51] <BockBilbo> :s
[04:51] <occy> mindphasr: will it default to mp3 ?  or does it default to ogg (grip)
[04:51] <BockBilbo> oks.. sorry
[04:51] <TreadingSoftly> TTilus: yes apparently there's some talk of ditching <em> tags because they're not semantic enough for xhtml
[04:51] <nevyn> em is very semantic.
[04:51] <BockBilbo> what is the main gnome package? i think he has a problem with it
[04:52] <TTilus> nevyn: px is a necessary measurement unit, but using it with fonts is ... well you know.
[04:52] <nevyn> well it's layout but it's better than the alternative of fixed positions based on knowing the size of stuff in px.
[04:52] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: well, <em> is really meaning _though_ layout (italics, bold, underline: usually italics)
[04:52] <TTilus> TreadingSoftly: nobody is going to take that one seriously (hopefully)
[04:52] <occy> man, I used to know the command line way to encode to mp3
[04:53] <TreadingSoftly> TTilus: hopefully ....
[04:53] <mindphasr> occy: You select what you want to rip in. grip lets you rip with lame in --preset-standard while soundjuicer i believe still does not. however you can rip into 192 if you set it gconf gstreamer properties.
[04:53] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: <em> is a space the width of a M right?
[04:53] <occy> mindphasr: grip defaulted to ogg it seems.
[04:53] <nevyn> oh emphasis.
[04:53] <mindphasr> occy: then change it, not a big deal.
[04:53] <TTilus> TreadingSoftly: <em>'s semantic are pretty well defined i thing
[04:53] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: that's right <em> for emphasis
[04:53] <TTilus> TreadingSoftly: they don't involve italics...
[04:54] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: em good.
[04:54] <occy> mindphasr: heh
[04:54] <occy> mindphasr: tx
[04:54] <mindphasr> occy: You just select your encoder from a pulldown menu. can use any encoder
[04:54] <occy> grip never seemed that easy to me in the past.  Lots of libraries you have to manually enter the location for etc.
[04:54] <nevyn> LaTeX has \em which is a space the width of a M in the current font, size and style.
[04:54] <nevyn> it's very useful.
[04:55] <TTilus> nevyn: agree
[04:55] <occy> hmmm, maybe it's changed since eons ago.
[04:55] <occy> that was easy
[04:55] <occy> heh
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[04:55] <occy> mindphasr: tx again buddy.
[04:55] <nevyn> are they talking about dropping <strong> as well?
[04:55] <TreadingSoftly> TTilus: what do you mean they don't involve italics? Italics is the standard formatting for <em> tagged text. Try it in any browser in unstyled html file.
[04:56] <mindphasr> occy: i dont see anywhere you have to enter any library path.. ive used grip for like 3 years and not once has it been that way..must be thinking of something else.  your welcome ;)
[04:56] <xhypno> does the distro upgrade from apt-get work?
[04:56] <occy> mindphasr: could have been some crack induced evening.
[04:56] <mindphasr> xhypno: yes
[04:56] <mindphasr> xhypno: apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:56] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: yes... what after all is the semantic difference between <strong> and <em> ... except that which derives from the complex difference between bold and italic text (i.e. layout)
[04:57] <nevyn> well..
[04:57] <xhypno> mindphasr: what version will it upgrade to?? Dev or only stable
[04:57] <nevyn> sometimes you want both..
[04:57] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: don't get me wrong, structured documents are very good, especially for the web, but i think the trusty old Word model has plenty of life left in it.
[04:57] <tritium> someone on Hoary please take 20 seconds to open yelp and try to read Dive Into Python?
"The <strong>quick</strong> brown fox jumps over the lazy dogs"</em>
[04:57] <mindphasr> xhypno: Depends what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list a dist-upgrade just upgrades you to latest versions of whats installed
[04:57] <occy> mindphasr: yeah, that's fairly nice. :)
[04:58] <bitfoo> why dont my mp3s work :(
[04:58] <xhypno> mindphasr: is it worth upgrading to Dev? Is it stable enough yet
[04:58] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: word causes pain.
[04:58] <bitfoo> they worked in warty :/
[04:58] <mindphasr> xhypno: If you are referring to hoary..it's stable enough, yeah
[04:59] <bitfoo> ?
[04:59] <peter_> Have some problems with Alsa + emu10k1
[04:59] <xhypno> mindphasr: All I have to do is chg the lines with warty to hoary right?
[04:59] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: that's my fundamental problem in particular it causes ME pain. because people do NASTY crud with tables and write docs that don't render correctly in free implementations  and winge at me about the 4th paragraph on page 32 that doesn't format correctly
[04:59] <tritium> xhypno, except yelp is buggy
[04:59] <peter_> I do have sound on the surround channel
[04:59] <xhypno> tritium: I don't use yelp
[04:59] <peter_> But no sound on the normal channel
[04:59] <xhypno> tritium: I just want X.org and the newest gcc
[05:00] <tritium> xhypno, you should have no problem
[05:00] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn and TTilus: XHTML 2.0 draft on <strong> tag: " Leave in, deprecate or remove? No consensus." (http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-xhtml2-20030506/mod-inline-text.html#sec_9.11.)
[05:01] <TTilus> TreadingSoftly: emphasizing with italics is typographic _convention_ in traditional non-fiction text, not _standard_.
[05:01] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: that has nothing to do with program functionality and everything do to with insufficiently open file formats
[05:01] <xhypno> tritium: thanks
[05:01] <guillem> Hi. I wish to create a very simple bootable CD with linux kernel, network card detection and up via dhcp, graphic car detection and X11 configuration and vncviewer and perhaps some other programs... Where can I find information of how to do that?
[05:01] <bitfoo> ladies and gentlenoobs :|
[05:01] <mindphasr> xhypno: There is a upgrade to hoary thread on ubuntuforums.org. that should be all you need to know
[05:01] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: it has much to do with program bugs tho.
[05:01] <TreadingSoftly> TTilus: not limited to non-fiction. And most stuff in text is convention. So what?
[05:01] <TTilus> guillem: have you browsed distrowatch yet?
[05:02] <guillem> TTilus, no, what is distrowatch?
[05:02] <TTilus> TreadingSoftly: "so what" that it's not _standard_ of any kind and emphasizing depends on context
[05:02] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: Yes... and if we didn't have the bugs introduced by poor integration within a program like Word, we'd have bugs from poor integration between programs.
[05:03] <TTilus> TreadingSoftly: the fact that context when using text varys only a little is clear but has nothing to do with _standards_.
[05:03] <tritium> I guess I'll file a bug against yelp since nobody will try to reproduce this for me
[05:03] <nevyn> anyway.. sleep now.
[05:05] <xhypno> mindphasr: thank you
[05:05] <Martok> Hey, anybody have beep-media-player?
[05:06] <TreadingSoftly> TTilus: I'm not sure what you're getting at. I agree that the conventions about how emphasis is indicated in text are less firm than certain other textual conventions. Indeed, how emphasis is indicated in text is one of the areas where writing becomes not just verbal but visual (like those poems which are carefully arranged in a shape on the page). This is one of the complications about reducing all documents to a simplified semantic structure. (Wh
[05:06] <bitfoo> Dudes.  Why would mp3s all of a sudden not play after upgrading to hoary.
[05:06] <Martok> Isn't hoary still unstable?
[05:06] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: why must a semantic structure be simple?
[05:07] <tritium> bitfoo, did you dist-upgrade?  If so, was anything removed in the process?
[05:07] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: what's wrong with allowing people to define styles as required?
[05:07] <nevyn> and inherit from existing styles.. and oh wait.. that'd be TeX
[05:07] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: so even those who struggle to type a letter in Word can understand it; more generally, it doesn't have to be.
[05:07] <bitfoo> i did dist-upgrade, and i think 30 packages or so were removed
[05:07] <TTilus> nevyn: nobody will use it if they have to admit the complexity of the real world?  ;)
[05:07] <bitfoo> i dont remember
[05:07] <bitfoo> maybe there is a log?
[05:08] <TreadingSoftly> TTilus: exactly, people just want to type a letter and be done with it
[05:08] <pybe-lappy> has anyone here setup evolution to check their gmail account?
[05:08] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: you know.. in primary school in australia.. you start writing with a grey or blue pencil.. when your handwriting is good enough you're given a pen licence.
[05:08] <tritium> bitfoo, I dont think so.
[05:09] <bitfoo> so what i have to reinstall the codecs?
[05:09] <Nermal> nevyn, same in the uk
[05:09] <bitfoo> xmms doesnt work no more either :(
[05:09] <Rotundo> bitfoo: always pay attention when a dist-upgrade wants to remove packages, there is a reason upgrade and dist-upgrade are different commands
[05:09] <Martok> What's up with beep-media-player?
[05:09] <bitfoo> oh so i have to reinstall everything then eh
[05:09] <Martok> It's all like... weird and stuff.
[05:09] <TTilus> TreadingSoftly: mmm... we are having a discussion where participants move at totally different levels, ...or at least i wasnt talking about "having a letter done"
[05:09] <tritium> bitfoo, yes, I agree with Rotundo.
[05:09] <nevyn> arrg I was going to sleep.
[05:09] <spiral> hi
[05:10] <alainm> is the Flash package part of universe?
[05:10] <Rotundo> bitfoo: maybe the codecs were removed, you should look for what is needed and check that it is still installed
[05:10] <TreadingSoftly> TTilus: That's fine :)
[05:10] <bitfoo> ok
[05:10] <tritium> bitfoo, can I ask you a big favor?
[05:10] <tritium> you have a fresh Hoary install, right?
[05:10] <bitfoo> i cant believe there is no apt-get log though :/
[05:10] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: The point I'm making a halfassed attempt to make here is that it's not good enough to just scrawl on the paper for handwriting why is it good enough to be halfassed about preparing documents on computers?
[05:10] <bitfoo> yah fresh
[05:10] <guillem> TTilus, I actually want a very customized CD....
[05:10] <tritium> could you please open up yelp (the help system)?
[05:10] <TTilus> TreadingSoftly: at that level, yes, theres very little point in trying to separate context-dependat conventions and standards and current state and the target processess we are aiming at...
[05:11] <nevyn> alainm: try multiverse
[05:11] <tritium> bitfoo, and try to read Dive Into Python under Applications -> Programming
[05:11] <tritium> ?
[05:11] <TTilus> guillem: i remember seeing customizable livecd-distros in distrowatch
[05:11] <alainm> nevyn: what is that?
[05:12] <bitfoo> yelp
[05:12] <nevyn> alainm:<-- is that a movie reference?
[05:12] <Rotundo> bitfoo: there is a program that emails info about apt-get I dont recall details though
[05:12] <bitfoo> o
[05:12] <nevyn> alainm: multiverse is the ubuntu equivilant of debian's non-free
[05:12] <bitfoo> tritnum there is a parsing error :|
[05:12] <tritium> bitfoo, okay, thanks so much for checking
[05:12] <alainm> nevyn: perfect
[05:12] <bitfoo> XML Parsing Error: undefined entity Location: file:///usr/share/doc/diveintopython/html/toc/index.html Line Number 16, Column 7: <link rel="next" href="../installing_python/index.html" title="Chapter&nbsp;1.&nbsp;Installing Python"> ------^
[05:12] <bzbb> how do I find out if I have multiverse enabled?
[05:12] <tritium> bitfoo, that's what I'm getting too
[05:13] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: That's a good point. But it's not a selling point. People will buy programs that "just work" (i.e. that they can use in an intuitive way) over programs that are require them to learn new stuff. Maybe if we taught society to think about writing more structurally then the market would change.
[05:13] <alainm> nevyn: alainm is now a movie reference
[05:13] <tritium> bitfoo, I appreciate your help
[05:13] <alainm> nevyn: now = not
[05:13] <bitfoo> its no problems
[05:13] <bitfoo> tritium, do you have ati in hoary?
[05:13] <snowblink> bzbb: synaptic or /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:13] <tritium> bitfoo, no, I have nvidia
[05:13] <tritium> bitfoo, are you having ati troubles?
[05:13] <bitfoo> sort of
[05:14] <tritium> using the fglrx driver, or what?
[05:14] <bitfoo> i wanted to use fglrx instead of ati :|
[05:14] <tritium> but?
[05:14] <bitfoo> worked fine in warty but not hoary :/
[05:14] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: who cares about selling stuff. shouldn't we strive to use computers to minimise human labour?
[05:14] <bitfoo> but it doesnt work :|
[05:14] <bitfoo> with fglrx :O
[05:14] <tritium> hmm...
[05:14] <bitfoo> unless there are xorg drivers i dont know about :|
[05:14] <tritium> bitfoo, one sec
[05:15] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: But the intervention you're talking about is not one made by software companies/programmers/current computer users as much as society at large.
[05:15] <tritium> bitfoo, you may need to isntall xorg-driver-fglrx
[05:15] <TTilus> TreadingSoftly: thats an argument when talking about a portion of individuals, gotta remember that it's not the whole world, bigger circles, bigger problems and bigger hammers to "get the job done" U C
[05:15] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: And also it would be the same if you gave things away free.
[05:15] <bitfoo> ahhsoo
[05:15] <bitfoo> how did you find it so fast
[05:15] <tritium> bitfoo, and I think you'll need linux-restricted-modules too
[05:15] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: this selling stuff is what sold gnome down the river with the whole let's pull every feature out.
[05:16] <tritium> bitfoo, "apt-cache search fglrx"
[05:16] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: oh I thought you were talking about selling as in mindshare and stuff I wasn't even considering money
[05:16] <bitfoo> oh cool i didnt know about that :O
[05:16] <tritium> bitfoo, :)
[05:16] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: I like _gnome_. I also like KDE (but think it's ugly). I like gnome's simplicity. (I don't like when it doesn't work :( ).
[05:16] <bitfoo> :D
[05:16] <nevyn> and it's now more corporatly popular.
[05:17] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: I think gnome have made a massive step back from 2.4/6 to 2.8
[05:17] <tritium> bitfoo, I hope that does the trick for you
[05:17] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: people like features.
[05:17] <bitfoo> i will try it tritium thanks :D
[05:18] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: didn't use earlier gnome ... so i can't compare it. People like features. But they're best simply implemented... weren't you the one complaining about office suite bloat?
[05:18] <tritium> bitfoo, sure.  thank you too! :)
[05:18] <LesleyB> would someone please point me to any documenatation on using Ubuntu as a server?
[05:18] <LesleyB> (and is it any good as a server)
[05:18] <rcaskey_> The thing that urks me is spatial nautilus
[05:19] <rcaskey_> spatial is so overly simple that it screws stuff up
[05:19] <Wulf_> LesleyB: you don't need documentation.
[05:19] <Wulf_> LesleyB: just install the daemons you like
[05:19] <LesleyB> I want to make a box that connects up to Internet and then acts as a server to my LAN
[05:19] <rcaskey_> humans can deal with a few complex tasks more than a very large number of simple ones
[05:19] <LesleyB> ok Wulf_ :) I've installed the basic GUI version ok
[05:19] <Wulf_> LesleyB: you want to share your internet connection?
[05:20] <TreadingSoftly> rcaskey_: then turn spatial browsing off
[05:20] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: nope I don't have a problem with openoffic's size or memory footprint. I have a problem with it not integrating into the desktop (in the same way that firefox doesn't integrate into the desktop)
[05:20] <LesleyB> I want to set one box up as the one carrying the Internet connexion and then network up
[05:20] <nevyn> and I have a problem with the halfassed documentpreparation half dtp thing
[05:20] <LesleyB> to that box
[05:20] <LesleyB> first of all via a cable
[05:20] <rcaskey_> Treading: good and well but it's missing featuers needed to be useful (cf. Finder for an example)
[05:21] <LesleyB> then later on I will add a router and change the network set up for that
[05:21] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: in all seriousness, i suspect that word processors will learn how to deduce structure from style before people learn to think about structure without style ... and that will be good enough for letters.
[05:21] <Wulf_> LesleyB: all you need to do is: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward  (ip_forward=yes in /etc/network/options)  and: iptables -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE
[05:21] <TreadingSoftly> (we're already moving that way with Templates, AutoCorrect, Autoformat)
[05:21] <nevyn> letters are (mostly) trivial documents
[05:21] <lavigj> tritium: still no dice... I can't even find much at gnomesupport.org. do you have any other suggestions?
[05:22] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: agreed: but i bet you that most Word documents produced _are_ letters
[05:22] <nevyn> LaTeX still creates the most beautiful letters I've ever seen but. most people don't appriciate the elegance
[05:22] <rcaskey_> nevyn: are the complexity
[05:22] <LesleyB> yes Wulf_ :) most probably :) but I don't really need Gnome on that box and I haven't set up an Internet connection on it yet.  I'm also using that Internet connection to download sarge
[05:22] <rcaskey_> nevyn: err ore the complexity
[05:22] <LesleyB> I prefer using enlightenment
[05:23] <LesleyB> rather than Gnome
[05:23] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: I would like to try LaTeX one day. But I like to be able to see the changes i make to styles etc. instantly. (This really bugs me about editing web docs and stylesheets, I have to click to see what I've done. Ugh.)
[05:23] <LesleyB> and Ubuntu is really quite python friendly but I want stuff like LaTeX and the gcc compilers
[05:23] <lavigj> tritium: are you still around?
[05:23] <nevyn> TreadingSoftly: it's very liberating once you get over that and trust the computer to do the right thing.
[05:23] <rcaskey_> Enlightenment's day is over
[05:24] <nevyn> because it does EXACTLY what you tell it to do.
[05:24] <LesleyB> unfortunately the box I have connected up to the inernet is XP which, it seems won't act as a server i.e. throws a bit of a wobbler if I connect up the cables with Internet connexion active on XP
[05:24] <rcaskey_> Lesey: XP does NAT just fine
[05:25] <rcaskey_> %s/sey/sley/
[05:25] <LesleyB> :)
[05:25] <TreadingSoftly> nevyn: I can believe that of LaTeX (not true with web stuff of course :(  ). However, just because the computer knows what it's doing, doesn't mean i do. Doesn't mean I know what will be the effect of increasing the point size by this, or the leading by that, or the kerning by this.
[05:25] <guillem> TreadingSoftly, Have you ever tried lyx?
[05:26] <TreadingSoftly> guillem: No, as I say, I've not yet tried LaTex.
[05:26] <nevyn> lyx is a wordprocessorish for LaTeX
[05:26] <guillem> TreadingSoftly, is a good start point for LaTeX
[05:26] <nevyn> guillem: I actually found lshort easier.
[05:26] <shock> once i got to know latex i use it for like everything :)
[05:27] <lavigj> is anyone here using the package NetworkManager? godsmoke and tritium were not able to help me earlier. I have tried following the directions exactly, but not dice
[05:27] <guillem> TreadingSoftly, lyx is a "What You See is What You Mean" frontend to LaTeX.
[05:27] <TreadingSoftly> guillem and nevyn: I'll have to try those out... but can they do everything LaTeX can do? Can they do everything, say, Quark or Scribus, can do?
[05:27] <LesleyB> TreadingSoftly : I think there are some wysiwyg editors out there for LaTeX
[05:27] <guillem> nevyn, what is lshort it?
[05:28] <nebo> LesleyB, do you know texmacs?
[05:28] <guillem> TreadingSoftly, In LyX you can also insert LaTeX commands directly if you wish... so I guess that you can do mostly what LaTeX can do
[05:28] <nevyn> guillem: the not so short introduction to latex
[05:28] <LesleyB> ermmm : I tend to use emacs as my LaTeX editor, nebo
[05:28] <TreadingSoftly> guillem: ... ah... but will it render them for you
[05:28] <shock> man i love a good doener followed by a good beer =)
[05:28] <LesleyB> I can type in the latex command once and then hit the up arrow when I need to see what I have got
[05:29] <nebo> LesleyB, texmacs is like using latex in realtime
[05:29] <LesleyB> xdvi tends to reload just fine
[05:29] <Sav> anyone used gnomevfs and bluefish?
[05:29] <LesleyB> ahhh ok nebo :)
[05:29] <oly> eeeek, my network stopped working in hoary after runing an update cant even ping the router its plugged into
[05:29] <oly> its configureed correclty, any suggestion of things i can try ?
[05:30] <guillem> TreadingSoftly, it does not render "what you get". It renders "What You Mean". So it does not render LaTeX commands input directly
[05:30] <LesleyB> can you roll back, oly?
[05:30] <oly> to find the cause of the problem
[05:30] <oly> um, no idea never tried it before :p
[05:30] <oly> did not even know that was a feature
[05:30] <xhypno> Thanks all Hoary is now installing. Later.
[05:31] <oly> hehe, would be useful :)
[05:31] <Telep> Evolution freezes up a lot with me in Hoary
[05:31] <Telep> and hogs the cpu
[05:31] <oly> i am not sure if its hardware / driver related or configuration or what
[05:32] <LesleyB> no sysoops?
[05:32] <oly> the networks the one thing i need to run future updates and bug fixes :p
[05:32] <LesleyB> yep :)
[05:32] <LesleyB> I had Suse 8.2 give me a sysoops after an automatic update
[05:33] <LesleyB> but the box survived it
[05:33] <LesleyB> (and now has warty on it :) )
[05:33] <oly> hehe, i got warty on main computer
[05:33] <oly> but thought i woudl give hoary a go on my old laptop :)
[05:33] <LesleyB> ahhh
[05:34] <oly> was running nicely till now
[05:34] <LesleyB> pcmcia stuff
[05:34] <shock> i got hoary on my powerbook
[05:34] <oly> its built in network card
[05:34] <shock> running fine except evolution being messed up alot lately
[05:34] <oly> not pcmcia
[05:34] <LesleyB> is the laptop still operating?
[05:34] <Sav> Does anyone know how to add an ftp server in the edit tool "BlueFish" ?
[05:34] <oly> yeah running fine apart from that
[05:35] <Skwid_> grrr
[05:35] <oly> the cards still there and detected
[05:35] <LesleyB> have you checked hardware is ok? lspci or an equivalent thereof?
[05:35] <Skwid_> how do I stop X correctly ?
[05:35] <Skwid_> totally stop ?
[05:35] <TreadingSoftly> You know how Ubuntu ultimately creates a user with loads of nice sudo privileges. What's the best way to make another user of the same sort?
[05:35] <TreadingSoftly> (Or to change the username as the first)
[05:35] <Monkey-Dude> anyone know if ubuntu supports HT CPU's?
[05:35] <oly> lspci shows the card
[05:36] <oly> so does ifconfig
[05:36] <oly> and with the correct settings
[05:36] <LesleyB> right but it won't ping out
[05:36] <oly> but the traffic is not going anywhere
[05:36] <eruin> anyone know what needs to be done when compiling rhythmbox to make it play nice with hoary's gdesklets (rhythmlet) ?
[05:36] <oly> yeah
[05:36] <LesleyB> tried a traceroute?
[05:36] <oly> there is no route lol
[05:36] <LesleyB> lol ok
[05:37] <LesleyB> what about something that lets you see what the packets are doing?
[05:37] <oly> its plugged into the router and it can not get a responce from that
[05:37] <LesleyB> where they are going?
[05:37] <LesleyB> is the router ok?
[05:37] <oly> the router light is on for the port
[05:37] <oly> well i am using it now on this puter
[05:37] <oly> so i should think so :)
[05:38] <LesleyB> could you check that port (the one you are using for the laptop) by swapping with something you know works?
[05:38] <oly> yeah i did give that ago
[05:38] <oly> tried all 3 ports
[05:38] <LesleyB> ok so you are happy the port works ok
[05:39] <oly> yeah
[05:39] <LesleyB> swapped cables yet?
[05:39] <peter_> Tried installing ethereal
[05:39] <oly> yep
[05:39] <peter_> ?
[05:39] <peter_> Shows no packets going anywhere?
[05:39] <Skwid_> please ? :(
[05:40] <Monkey-Dude> anyone that can help me...? Is Ubuntu compatible with a HyperThreating CPU?
[05:40] <LesleyB> that's what I was trying to recall, peter_ :)
[05:40] <scoon> lavigj, what's the problem ?
[05:40] <oly> um well i cant install anythin
[05:40] <oly> cuz i got no net
[05:40] <oly> unless its already installed will go look
[05:40] <pybe-lappy> oly: how did you setup the connection?
[05:40] <peter_> You can download the tar and put in on CD
[05:41] <oly> i set up the connection in the network wizard
[05:41] <guillem> Monkey-Dude, don't see why not
[05:41] <oly> it was working till i ran an update
[05:41] <peter_> Oly> do you get an error when you trie to ping out?
[05:41] <peter_> Which error do you get?
[05:42] <Monkey-Dude> guillem, oki... but ubuntu only registers 1 CPU... and WinXP registers 2....
[05:42] <oly> destination host unreachable
[05:42] <oly> i can ping myself if thats any help
[05:42] <scoon> oly, since lspci can see the card, have you used lsmod and make certain that the card's module is loaded as well ?
[05:42] <LesleyB> but you can't ping even locally?
[05:42] <oly> i can ping locally
[05:42] <scoon> eh
[05:43] <guillem> Monkey-Dude, perhaps you shoud install the smp version of the kernel
[05:43] <bel__> Hi there
[05:43] <oly> i can ping the laptops ip number
[05:43] <LesleyB> to another machine on your net?
[05:43] <guillem> Monkey-Dude, not sure, though
[05:43] <oly> can not ping to another machine
[05:43] <oly> or the router
[05:43] <LesleyB> ok
[05:43] <Monkey-Dude> guillem, I'm VERY new to linux.... i have no clue what that is...
[05:43] <peter_> Hmm do you use iptables?
[05:44] <pybe-lappy> oly: are you pinging external names or ips?
[05:44] <oly> nope
[05:44] <oly> ips
[05:44] <LesleyB> Monkey-Dude: multiporcessor version of the kernel : allows multithreading etc etc
[05:44] <peter_> Oly: are u using iptables?
[05:44] <oly> there is no reason for it to be the router, because this puter is using the same router
[05:44] <peter_> yeah okay
[05:44] <pybe-lappy> oly: whats the output of route in a terminal
[05:44] <Monkey-Dude> LesleyB, ok... where do i find that?
[05:44] <oly> i dont think so
[05:44] <peter_> but you could have installed it anyway ;)
[05:44] <guillem> Monkey-Dude, SMP machines have several CPUs. When you install a linux distribution it realizes you have a SMP machine and installs an SMP version of the kernel. Perhaps the ubuntu installer does not realize you have a hyperthreading CPU, but an SMP kernel might
[05:44] <LesleyB> haven't a clue Monkey-Dude :)
[05:45] <oly> actually it is installed
[05:45] <peter_> Hmm try opening everything up by adding a few user-defined rules
[05:45] <Monkey-Dude> guillem, can i just update my ubuntu system.... or...?
[05:46] <oly> can i just remove it ?
[05:46] <peter_> Nope
[05:46] <shock> er... anyone able to install lyx right now?
[05:46] <LesleyB> remove what, oly?
[05:46] <shock> o_O
[05:46] <LinuxJones> Monkey-Dude, You are you running Warty I assume ?
[05:46] <shock> gives me broken dependencies
[05:46] <oly> iptables thing
[05:46] <lorentz_> I'm trying to install Backuppc
[05:46] <Monkey-Dude> LinuxJones, correct
[05:46] <LesleyB> I wouldn't do that if I were you oly
[05:46] <bel__> I have a problem with my soundcard. i can't get it working :-/
[05:46] <mrdibbler> hi anyone able to help KDE?
[05:46] <oly> okay
[05:46] <lorentz_> and getting error when installing the Perl Module File::RsyncP
[05:46] <pybe-lappy> oly: whats the output of route in a terminal
[05:46] <lorentz_> anyone know of any tutorials for it?
[05:47] <LinuxJones> Monkey-Dude, can you get to the sudo terminal ?
[05:47] <Monkey-Dude> LinuxJones, I'm very, very new to linux.... how would i do that...?
[05:47] <Riddell> mrdibbler: yes
[05:48] <bel__> Is there any information on how to install a soundcard in ubuntu?
[05:48] <mrdibbler> the problem ive found is when I try any admin stuff that needs a root password - ubuntu uses sudo (no root)
[05:48] <LinuxJones> Monkey-Dude, ok go Applications >> System Tools >> Terminal
[05:48] <lorentz_> /bin/sh: line 1: cc: command not found
[05:48] <lorentz_> make[1] : *** [Digest.o]  Error 127
[05:48] <lorentz_> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/lorentz/File-RsyncP-0.52/Digest'
[05:48] <lorentz_> make: *** [subdirs]  Error 2
[05:49] <lorentz_> is what I get when typeing make after extracting the files
[05:49] <lorentz_> perl -MCPAN -eshell wasn't any help either same error
[05:49] <pybe-lappy> bel__: try the wikki
[05:50] <Riddell> mrdibbler: it's a known issue, I'm working on it
[05:50] <Riddell> mrdibbler: in the mean time you have to set a root password
[05:50] <Monkey-Dude> LinuxJones, oki
[05:50] <LinuxJones> Monkey-Dude, when the terminal comes up type sudo -s (enter your user password)
[05:51] <mrdibbler> Ta Riddell - where's the howto for that
[05:51] <LesleyB> don't know how it is now
[05:51] <Riddell> mrdibbler: I don't think there is one
[05:51] <lorentz_> LesleyB: I seems to be up - as in it downloads and it gives me the same error when I try to install manually
[05:51] <LesleyB> ok
[05:52] <ghostie> help!
[05:52] <lorentz_> Does that error mean anything to you?
[05:52] <ghostie> i cant get sqwebmail to work at all in ubuntu
[05:52] <ghostie> cant even get it to start
[05:52] <ghostie> its only images in the sqwebmail dir
[05:52] <mrdibbler> ok. What are the steps to setting up the root password please.
[05:52] <Nermal> mrdibbler, why do you need one ? :)
[05:53] <mrdibbler> I mean do you have to unlock root or something?
[05:53] <Nermal> no.. just use sudo
[05:53] <Nermal> or sudo su to switch to root
[05:53] <klaym> I lost my desktop panels shortly after upgrading to Hoary, and they disappear all by themselves! I've tried all that is said on ubuntuforums to fix this. Is there a sophisticated way of reinstalling hoary?
[05:53] <lorentz_> /bin/sh line 1: cc: command not found - what file is it referring to , the make file?
[05:53] <Nermal> lorentz_, install gcc ?
[05:53] <klaym> *disappeared
[05:53] <mrdibbler> Sorry Nermal its so I can do admin from KDE
[05:53] <Nermal> root password is your user password iirc
[05:53] <Nermal> well.. thats what works for sudo operations in gnome
[05:54] <LesleyB> mrdibbler when using sudo you use the password of the user you are logged in as
[05:54] <Monkey-Dude> LinuxJones, when i type sudo -s and it ask's for the password it won't let me type anything....
[05:54] <lorentz_> Nermal I think you hit it
[05:54] <lorentz_> thanks
[05:54] <Nermal> np
[05:54] <Riddell> mrdibbler: you just need to set a password for root, from a console run "sudo passwd"
[05:54] <lorentz_> <--- doesn't always think of the obvious
[05:54] <Nermal> :)
[05:55] <mrdibbler> Ok I'll try that thanks.  Bye
[05:55] <LinuxJones> Monkey-Dude, click the window with your mouse and try again
[05:56] <Monkey-Dude> LinuxJones, right.... think i got it
[05:56] <LinuxJones> Monkey-Dude, ok now type synaptic
[05:57] <Monkey-Dude> LinuxJones, right...
[05:57] <LinuxJones> Monkey-Dude, this is a Graphical User Interface to install software. Hit the Reload button upper left
[05:57] <Monkey-Dude> LinuxJones, oki
[05:58] <LinuxJones> Monkey-Dude, that's updating the software list available from the Ubuntu software repositories. Click search and type 686-smp
[05:58] <Monkey-Dude> LinuxJones, right
[05:59] <LinuxJones> Monkey-Dude, that's going to search for all of the 686-smp enabled kernel packages. Select the latest one and double click it
[05:59] <LinuxJones> you'll probably need >> linux-image-2.6.8.1-4-686-smp
[06:00] <sirpsy> can anyone help me with a q3 problem
[06:00] <Monkey-Dude> LinuxJones, now it's marked... then what?
[06:00] <sirpsy> when i change resolution x crashes
[06:01] <LinuxJones> Monkey-Dude, click the apply changes button top leftish
[06:01] <LinuxJones> Monkey-Dude, sorry that's click apply then click apply again
[06:02] <Monkey-Dude> LinuxJones, now it's downloading... hope it work... many thx....
[06:02] <LinuxJones> Monkey-Dude, jsut re-boot hit esc and select the smp kernel and you should be good to go GL :)
[06:03] <Monkey-Dude> right.......
[06:03] <Monkey-Dude> LinuxJones, do u now anything about mounting NTFS drives into ubuntu..? :D
[06:03] <tezem> Is ubuntu on amd64 properly runnable? How is it with the USB ADSL Modem Situation under Ubuntu any suggestions?
[06:04] <nevyn> cool
[06:04] <tezem> Heinz: any big trouble? since when do you use it?
[06:05] <Heinz> almost everything is ok
[06:05] <LinuxJones> Monkey-Dude, check out www.ubuntuguide.org lots of great stuff liek that there
[06:05] <Heinz> problem right now with vmware
[06:06] <LesleyB> woops
[06:06] <LesleyB> that's teach me to scroll back down after I've scrolled up :)
[06:06] <nevyn> ?
[06:07] <LesleyB> your dstatement earlier about LaTeX providing the most beautiful letters and people not appreciating the elegance :)
[06:07] <LesleyB> I was looking for something else
[06:09] <Monkey-Dude> LinuxJones, THX!!! it registers 2 CPU's now... WEEEE....!
[06:09] <LinuxJones> Monkey-Dude, no problem glad I could help :)
[06:10] <Monkey-Dude> do anyone if u can mount NTFS Partitions into ubuntu? like when u run the Live distro....
[06:10] <njan> Monkey-Dude, you can
[06:11] <Monkey-Dude> njan, how...?
[06:11] <shock> :)
[06:11] <njan> Monkey-Dude, mount /dev/partition /mnt/mountpount -t ntfs
[06:11] <LinuxJones> Monkey-Dude, >> http://www.ubuntuforums.org << answers alot of new users questions
[06:11] <Skwid_> help
[06:12] <Skwid_> i need to know how to STOP the X.org server
[06:12] <Skwid_> on hoary ????
[06:12] <LinuxJones> Skwid_, /etc/init/gdm stop
[06:13] <LinuxJones> Skwid_, sorry that's /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[06:14] <Skwid_> LinuxJones: doesn't seem to be enough :s
[06:14] <LinuxJones> Skwid_, it must be locked up then :D
[06:14] <Skwid_> what dyou mean ?
[06:15] <LinuxJones> Skwid_, your comp is still responding ?
[06:15] <Skwid_> no but i tried before
[06:15] <Skwid_> i need to get on a terminal with no X running
[06:15] <Skwid_> when i stop gdm with the command you gave
[06:16] <Skwid_> it looks like the Xorg log files are still locked
[06:16] <LinuxJones> Skwid_, well you could go init 1and drop to admin runlevel
[06:17] <Skwid_> how ?
[06:18] <LinuxJones> Skwid_, in console just type init 1. It's kind of like safe mode in Windows no networking or X .
[06:18] <Skwid_> ok
[06:23] <zido> how do i delete a directory with subdirectories?
[06:24] <douglas> rm -r
[06:24] <Monkey-Dude> LinuxJones, what was it i wrote to "become" the root@ in the terminal
[06:25] <pybe-lappy> Monkey-Dude: sudo -s
[06:25] <Monkey-Dude> thx
[06:25] <pybe-lappy> np
[06:28] <caldwell> has anyone experienced this error when running ./configure on any projects?
[06:28] <caldwell> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[06:28] <caldwell> See `config.log' for more details.
[06:29] <caldwell> i tried reinstalling cpp, but ./configure still fails
[06:29] <Rytmis> Hi. Anyone have a clue as to why my friend's fresh ubuntu install would say "Error for wireless request" when trying to ifup eth0 (which is a regular 3com cable ethernet NIC)
[06:30] <zido> i'm installing mysql-administrator, and it says i'm supposed to write "gunzip file.tar.gz | tar xv".. now, i've done that, but nothing more happens..
[06:33] <caldwell> zido, congratulations, you just untarred a tar file.
[06:33] <nir> why apt-get source kernel-source-2.6.9 fails?
[06:33] <zido> caldwell: no i haven't
[06:33] <nir> while it seems to be here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/
[06:34] <zido> caldwell: unless linux is hiding it really well, because the shell seems to have stopped
[06:34] <nir> and universe is enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:34] <caldwell> zido, tar zxvf file.tar.gz does the same thing.
[06:34] <tritium> nir, did you just enable it recently and not do an apt-get update?
[06:35] <nir> I did update after that
[06:35] <nir> even twice
[06:35] <caldwell> zido, are you saying it didn't create a new directory
[06:36] <zido> caldwell: i'm saying it doesnt vant to do it at all
[06:36] <zido> it simply stops
[06:37] <pybe-lappy> zido: does it say anything?
[06:37] <iceman3301> Has anyone had any success in making the backlit keyboard work on Ubuntu?  I know it works in Linux (via pbbuttonsd) since I have done it on Yellow Dog.  I have pbbuttonsd running and everything works, except the backlit keys.  I read I need i2c-dev and i2c-keywest modules loaded.  I can load dev but the system can't find keywest.
[06:37] <zido> no
[06:37] <iceman3301> (backlit keyboard of PowerBoog)
[06:37] <zido> it doesn't display anything
[06:38] <pybe-lappy> zido: where are you typing that?
[06:38] <caldwell> zido, try doing it in steps.  gunzip file.tar.gz first, then tar xvf file.tar
[06:38] <zido> pybe-lappy: bash
[06:38] <caldwell> maybe the file is corrupt <shrug>
[06:38] <pybe-lappy> zido: are you in the same dir as the archive
[06:39] <zido> ah, i didn't use -f
[06:39] <zido> pybe-lappy: yes
[06:39] <caldwell> zido, tar zxvf file.tar.gz works great, it may be easier for you to remember
[06:40] <zido> caldwell: i used it, but something weird seems to happen
[06:40] <zido> because it doesn't even display another commandline.. it simply stops doing anything
[06:42] <pybe-lappy> zido: sudo apt-get install mysql-navigator
[06:43] <Rytmis> how does linux determine if an interface is wireless or not?
[06:43] <Rytmis> I can't for the life of me figure why he's getting wireless errors for a regular nic
[06:43] <pybe> Rytmis: from how its setup
[06:43] <zido> thanks :)
[06:44] <Rytmis> pybe: care to elaborate? we configured it as "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp". And it's a regular NIC like I said. So why the wireless errors :(
[06:44] <oly> actually, quick question how can you setermine free space left on your hard disk  ?
[06:44] <Rytmis> df -h
[06:44] <LesleyB> df -h
[06:44] <Rytmis> :)
[06:44] <oly> thxs
[06:45] <oly> does it not tell you in gui anywhere ?
[06:45] <Falstius> only gui program I know of for that is KDE based.
[06:45] <pybe> Rytmis: what driver is loaded for the card?
[06:45] <oly> okay, just thought it seemed like somethin nautilus should do
[06:46] <oly> just thought it was me being blind :p
[06:46] <Rytmis> pybe: 3c59x, it seems
[06:46] <pybe> Rytmis: weird, got  to go to dog training, good luck
[06:46] <Rytmis> thx
[06:47] <Rytmis> Hmm I might amuse myself by installing Oracle :p
[06:47] <Peter> guys, im trying to install 'xorg-driver-synaptics'. but im getting a broken pipe error?
[06:49] <Rytmis> Call a plumber :)
[06:49] <Peter> hehe
[06:49] <Peter> whats that mean though?
[06:50] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hallo
[06:50] <Rytmis> No idea :)
[06:50] <Rytmis> I've seen that somewhere, but I can't fathom what it means
[06:50] <LesleyB> broken pipe ? when you do something like 'ps -ef | grep vi ' that '|' is a pipe symobol. you are piping the output from one program to the next
[06:51] <Peter> cant figure out why ubuntu isnt loading a desktop manager :/
[06:51] <caldwell> Rytmis, have you checked your /etc/network/interfaces file for wireless settings?
[06:51] <LesleyB> that's what I think it means anyway
[06:51] <Peter> is there a apt-get tag to make it isntall all the dependant packages?
[06:51] <Rytmis> caldwell: well, the only interface that was there was lo, so we added eth0 with "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
[06:51] <Rytmis> doesn't apt do that by default?
[06:51] <LesleyB> well a broken pipe could mean that output from one thing isn't going to the next thing in the pipe
[06:52] <Peter> is warty the stable release/
[06:53] <Peter> think im just gonna reinstall
[06:53] <will_> does anyone know how to open the windows address book (.wab) in linux/evolution
[06:53] <Peter> i wanted xorg :(
[06:53] <tritium> Peter, you don't have to re-install.  You can upgrade to Hoary.
[06:53] <Peter> tritium: heh. thats what i tried to do
[06:54] <caldwell> Rytmis, curiously, does `set` list any $IF_WIRELESS_* settings?
[06:54] <Peter> cant tell if it worked or not though
[06:54] <will_> Peter: you download a lot of stuff :)
[06:54] <Peter> it was
[06:54] <Peter> it finished downloading
[06:54] <Peter> so i restarted
[06:54] <LesleyB> is it not possible to dual boot between hoary and warty?
[06:54] <Peter> and then it all worked, but no window manager.
[06:55] <will_> Peter: you dont need to restart for everything
[06:55] <Peter> hmn
[06:55] <will_> Peter: is GDM not starting up?
[06:55] <Peter> would conflicts happen if xfree and xorg were both installed?
[06:55] <Peter> will_: nope.
[06:56] <will_> Peter: start it then : sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[06:57] <smurfix> LesleyB: it is, but not THAT easily.
[06:57] <Peter> command not found?
[06:57] <Peter> sudo: /etc/init.d/dgm: command not found
[06:57] <will_> so  does anyone know how to open the windows address book (.wab) in linux/evolution
[06:57] <Peter> d'oh
[06:57] <Peter>  * Starting GNOME Display Manager...                                     [fail] 
[06:57] <Peter> failed :(
[06:57] <will_>  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[06:58] <Rytmis> caldwell: (doh... I nearly replied in finnish ;) I need to check wiht the user himself :)
[06:58] <will_> Peter: try this :  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[06:58] <nir> I'm triying dselect, and it the latest kernel-source it find is 2.6.7-3
[06:58] <will_> then start it again
[06:58] <Peter> wow
[06:58] <nir> is this the latest kernel that can be installed?
[06:58] <Peter> it stopped :)
[06:58] <will_> Peter: then start again
[06:58] <smurfix> will_: Sure. Tell the person who sent the address book to you to export the thing to a common format, and send you THAT.
[06:58] <LinuxJones> hi ogra :)
[06:59] <LinuxJones> wb
[06:59] <will_> smurfix: good point!
[06:59] <ogra> LinuxJones: hi (:
[06:59] <caldwell> Rytmis, reference the /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wireless-tools script.  If any of these variables are set, iwconfig will execute on your interface.
[06:59] <will_> hi LinuxJones :)
[06:59] <will_> and ogra
[06:59] <LinuxJones> hi will_
[06:59] <will_> we stick around here a bit eh?
[07:00] <smurfix> will_: VCard should work, even Windows understands that one. ;-)
[07:00] <will_> Peter: is it working?
[07:00] <Peter> worked :)
[07:00] <will_> smurfix: yeah evo imports those thanks for the help
[07:00] <Rytmis> caldwell: sounds like we're heading towards the correct direction. I'll SMS the question :)
[07:00] <Peter> how do i tell if it upgraded to hoary?
[07:01] <Rytmis> Can't you just update your packages?
[07:01] <Rytmis> (that's what I used to do on debian, and do now on gentoo)
[07:01] <smurfix> Peter: cat /etc/issue
[07:02] <Peter> on warty still
[07:02] <Peter> hmm, odd.
[07:02] <smurfix> Peter: hmm, the thing's rebuilt at reboot time IIRC. Did you?
[07:03] <Peter> i rebooted yeah
[07:03] <Peter> shall i just run aptget update again?
[07:04] <smurfix> apt-get update doesn't do anything to your system, it just fetches the package data
[07:04] <smurfix> you want apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:04] <Peter> yeah
[07:04] <Peter> dont you run update first though?
[07:04] <smurfix> sure. Right after writing "hoary" all over /etc/apt/sources.list ;-)
[07:05] <Rytmis> how about "upgrade" :)
[07:05] <smurfix> but if you already did a short while ago, no point in doing it again
[07:05] <smurfix> Rytmis: Doesn't do zilch going warty->hoary
[07:05] <Rytmis> oh.
[07:05] <smurfix> Peter: unless you edited sources.list in the meantime
[07:05] <Rytmis> I'll get me coat then :D
[07:05] <Peter> smurfix: i did
[07:06] <Peter> well its doing somthing, i guess thats a good sign right? :>
[07:06] <nir> hmm, I used dselect to install kernel-source-2.6.7
[07:06] <smurfix> Rytmis: The reason is, it skips everything that'd require installing entirely new packages
[07:06] <will_> Peter: did you use a Howto? to change your sources.list?
[07:06] <Peter> yes
[07:06] <nir> and now it want to install 29 new packages, and upgrade 78
[07:06] <Rytmis> smurfix: is that behaviour the same in debian?
[07:06] <Peter> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#upgradewartytohoary
[07:06] <nir> total 170MB
[07:06] <smurfix> Rytmis: definitely.
[07:06] <nir> does it make sense?
[07:06] <Peter> brb, noodles :)
[07:06] <smurfix> nir: yes ;-)
[07:06] <will_> Peter: no errors of any type?
[07:06] <nir> on a new installed 4.1
[07:07] <Rytmis> smurfix: seems like ages since I used debian :)
[07:07] <Rytmis> smurfix: (and I've settled on Gentoo, of all things)
[07:07] <smurfix> "apt-get update" is supposed to be somewhat-safe-from-a-cronjob-or-whatever, so it leaves alone stuff that could require a person
[07:07] <smurfix> like installing new stuff that might want to be configured before working sensibly
[07:07] <Peter> will_: not yet
[07:07] <smurfix> Rytmis: Heh
[07:08] <Rytmis> smurfix: it's been a humbling experience, I tell you :D
[07:08] <nir> I have a strange problem with synpatic
[07:08] <nir> I used it once to install tla, it seems to work
[07:09] <nir> after that, I get empty list of packages
[07:09] <smurfix> I'd rather not discuss Gentoo here, that could run into CoC problems pretty fast ;-)
[07:09] <nir> does not matter what I use in the left pane, section/search etc.
[07:09] <nir> the package list is alwyas empty
[07:10] <nir> where is the prefrences of synpatic?
[07:10] <zenrox> nir settings
[07:10] <Rytmis> smurfix: I figured Ubuntu would be the perfect distro for said friend. Unfortunately there's this network trouble now :/
[07:11] <nir> no, not the menu item
[07:11] <nir> hte file it uses to save my settings
[07:11] <Peter> error!
[07:11] <Peter> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:11] <Peter>  /var/cache/apt/archives/xorg-driver-synaptics_0.13.6-0ubuntu4_amd64.deb
[07:11] <Peter> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:11] <nir> probbaly this file is broken
[07:11] <zenrox> nir i dont know then
[07:11] <smurfix> Peter: There's some error messages way before that
[07:11] <Sirukin> hey hey
[07:12] <Sirukin> neat
[07:12] <Sirukin> livecd
[07:12] <zenrox> lol
[07:12] <Sirukin> :] 
[07:12] <zenrox> 73 megs for latest upgrade of hoary
[07:12] <Peter> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xorg-driver-synaptics_0.13.6-0ubu ntu4_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[07:12] <zenrox> wow
[07:12] <Peter>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/synclient', which is also in package xfree86-driv er-synaptics
[07:12] <smurfix> Peter: ah
[07:13] <Peter> ah?
[07:13] <smurfix> apt-get remove xfree86-driver-synaptics
[07:13] <Sirukin> for the warty warthog release of ubuntu, is the linux kernel source available on the install disc?
[07:13] <Sirukin> i.e full unmodified
[07:13] <smurfix> then file a bug against xorg-driver-synaptics for failing to declare a coonflict
[07:13] <smurfix> conflict, even
[07:14] <Peter> ubuntu-desktop: Depends: xorg-driver-synaptics but it is not going to be installed
[07:14] <DragoraN> hi
[07:15] <smurfix> Peter: that should fix itself next time you run it, when the conflicting xfree86-d-synaptics is gone
[07:15] <Sirukin> hmm
[07:15] <Peter> run what? dist-upgrade?
[07:15] <zenrox> Peter,  do a sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/xorg.deb
[07:15] <smurfix> zenrox: the aforementioned apt-get remove line should suffice
[07:16] <amiroff> people, will I have to deal manually with Xfree after upgrading warty to hoary ?
[07:16] <smurfix> zenrox: it'll have to go anyway
[07:16] <DragoraN> how to access mounts as non-root user?
[07:16] <smurfix> amiroff: no, the config is copied over
[07:17] <amiroff> smurfix: hmm, isn't it xorg in hoary?
[07:17] <smurfix> sure it is
[07:17] <sveinns> What do I do if I have changed my username and have lost root and su access?
[07:17] <Peter> hrmm
[07:18] <DragoraN> please... how to access mounts as non-root user?
[07:18] <smurfix> sveinns: boot with "init=/bin/sh", edit /etc/groups
[07:18] <Peter> smurfix: the apt-get remove line doesnt work
[07:18] <Peter> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:18] <Peter>   ubuntu-desktop: Depends: xorg-driver-synaptics but it is not going to be installed
[07:18] <amiroff> smurfix: so basically the new conf file will be xorg.conf but it will contain what's in current xf.....conf ?
[07:19] <smurfix> Peter: then use dpkg --remove --depends xfree86-driver-synaptics
[07:19] <smurfix> amiroff: exactly
[07:19] <smurfix> Peter: sorry, --force-depends
[07:20] <amiroff> smurfix: thanks man, great!
[07:20] <Peter> smurfix: worked :)
[07:21] <Rytmis> is there a way to remove iwconfig so under no circumstances it would be called?
[07:21] <smurfix> Rytmis: chmod 000 /sbin/iwconfig
[07:21] <LinuxJones> DragoraN, >> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[07:21] <stuNNed> chmod 000 /sbin/iwconfig && chattr +i or -i /sbin/iwconfig i forget
[07:21] <Rytmis> but would that just raise an error when trying to ifup an interface that for no apparent reason calls iwconfig?
[07:21] <smurfix> actually, you need dpkg-statoverride for that so that your permissions won't get blasted away on the next update
[07:22] <Rytmis> that's not an issue right now :)
[07:22] <smurfix> Rytmis: if that happens for no apparent reason an error is exactly what you want ;-)
[07:22] <Rytmis> sigh... yes.
[07:22] <Peter> Errors were encountered while processing: postfix, anacron, postfix-tls, lsb, ubuntu-desktop
[07:23] <no0tic> hi, as I start mathematica, windows titles and borders disappear for a while, then metacity redraws them
[07:23] <Rytmis> as it turns out, the IF_WIRELESS_* weren't present in `set`
[07:23] <DragoraN> LinuxJones: why that link?
[07:23] <Rytmis> so why oh why does ifup eth0 go on about wireless errors o_O
[07:23] <smurfix> stuNNed: chattr is evil, that breaks your update instead. Not what you want either.
[07:23] <LinuxJones> DragoraN, it has info about the networking question you asked
[07:23] <smurfix> no0tic: metacity just died and was restarted
[07:23] <stuNNed> smurfix: k
[07:23] <DragoraN> thx
[07:24] <nsillik> what package should i apt get for a fully patched ubuntu kernel?
[07:24] <no0tic> smurfix: is it normal?
[07:24] <smurfix> no0tic: No.
[07:24] <Rytmis> considering it's a fresh install and the 3com is known to be a regular NIC, what could cause it to appear configured as a wlan device :(
[07:24] <no0tic> smurfix: I use the last metacity version in hoary
[07:24] <stuNNed> smurfix: but you'd get a verbose error at least saying file can't be updated, chattr -i then back to +i?
[07:24] <Peter> whats 'lsb'?
[07:25] <smurfix> no0tic: "last" as of when?
[07:25] <no0tic> smurfix: file a bug for this?
[07:25] <Rytmis> linux standard base?
[07:25] <zenrox> yep
[07:25] <caldwell> peter, it makes you see things ;)
[07:25] <Rytmis> caldwell: that would be bsd ;)
[07:25] <no0tic> smurfix: 1:2.9.8-0ubuntu1
[07:25] <caldwell> *lol*
[07:26] <smurfix> no0tic: that's current. Try to get a coredump, the developers tend not to have mathematica to reproduce the bug.
[07:26] <no0tic> smurfix: how can I get a coredump?
[07:26] <no0tic> smurfix: via gdb?
[07:27] <nir> apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6 say the latest kernel is 2.6.7
[07:27] <TreadingSoftly> Does anyone know a safe way to rename the main user on Ubuntu, without losing sudoer privileges etc.? Failing that, does anyone know how to create another account just like the main account Ubuntu installer creates?
[07:27] <nir> but deselect is upgrading now linux-image-2.6.8.1...
[07:27] <nir> so where is the source for 2.6.8.1?
[07:28] <smurfix> no0tic: login on the console, ulimit -c unlimited, startx.
[07:28] <Peter> ick, loads of errors are appearing :'(
[07:28] <no0tic> ok
[07:28] <lamont> TreadingSoftly: you should be able to rename the user by modifying /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, /etc/aliases, and /etc/sudoers
[07:28] <lamont> I _think_ that's all of them...
[07:28] <no0tic> brb
[07:29] <nsillik> what package should i apt get for a fully patched ubuntu kernel?
[07:29] <lamont> mdz: it is kind of ominous when booting the livecd and it says it's loading /install/vmlinux...
[07:29] <mdz> lamont: that's one for Kamion
[07:30] <Peter> smurfix: has a load of dependancy errors after i run 'apt-get -f dist-upgrade'
[07:30] <Peter> i thought the -f solved those dependancy errorS?
[07:31] <lamont> Peter: -f changes _how_ it tries, but doesn't guarantee success if the archive has issues...
[07:31] <TreadingSoftly> Is there any way to rerun the script Ubuntu uses when it creates the first user?
[07:31] <no0tic> smurfix: then?
[07:31] <no0tic> smurfix: where can I find coredump?
[07:31] <Peter> how would i find out what dependancy errors are in 'ubuntu-desktop' - thats one of the main items to update yeah?
[07:32] <smurfix> no0tic: should be in your home directory
[07:33] <no0tic> smurfix: there isn't
[07:33] <LinuxJones> TreadingSoftly, you can create a new user and edit /etc/sudoers to add priviliges for the new user. When your happy that your new account is setup delete the old user account.
[07:33] <smurfix> Peter: "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" probably
[07:33] <no0tic> smurfix: I have to go now, see you later?
[07:33] <smurfix> no0tic: depends when you get back, but I'm not the only one who knows what "core dump" means here ;-)
[07:34] <Peter> the same dependancy errors.
[07:35] <mxpxpod> is there a way to map the alt key on an ibook keyboard to Super_R and the apple key to Alt_L without using xmodmap?
[07:35] <no0tic> bye!
[07:36] <nir> after dselect install that possibly upgraded my kernel, I have to simply reboot to use the new stuff?
[07:37] <Stew2_> Does ubuntu hoary have a firewall running by default?
[07:37] <LinuxJones> Stew2_, no
[07:38] <rcaskey_> is there no way to add a user to a group through the users/groups application/
[07:38] <Bader> hi
[07:39] <Bader> Is it possible to report a bug via IRC, and someone can publish it in my place and or check it ?
[07:39] <caldwell> are there any C/C++ IDEs I can install via apt-get?
[07:39] <LinuxJones> rcaskey_, users-admin then click the user, then properties, then groups
[07:39] <Manny> hi :)
[07:39] <Bader> caldwell: anjuta
[07:39] <ficusplanet> caldwell, anjuta.
[07:39] <Bader> caldwell: kdevelop
[07:39] <Manny> anybody with experiences with ubuntu on a peg II around? :)
[07:40] <caldwell> kdevelop?  on Ubuntu?
[07:40] <Manny> caldwell anjuta, when it reached 2.0
[07:40] <Manny> !
[07:40] <runenes_> I have my ubuntu laptop connected to my windows box, and the laptop is online - how can I share the internet connectivity with the windows xp box? links are greatly appriciated..
[07:40] <Peter> whats the best ATI drivers for gaming in ubuntu?
[07:40] <Manny> it will be great
[07:40] <Riddell> caldwell: kdevelop3 is the package
[07:40] <Bader> caldwell: why not ? KDE software is not forbidden :)
[07:40] <ficusplanet> runenes_, Install firestart from synaptic.  It will walk you through it.
[07:41] <runenes_> ficusplanet, thx Ill try that
[07:41] <Manny> anybody with experiences with ubuntu on a pegasos II/PPC around? :)
[07:41] <Bader> caldwell: even I don't use them, they are some other IDE like Eclipse you can install by your own, and are Emacs and vim IDEs for you ?
[07:41] <caldwell> apt-cache search anjuta didn't return anything... do i have to modify my repositories to find it?
[07:41] <pdamoc> hello
[07:42] <MrTrick> how can I find something in the warty repository?
[07:42] <ficusplanet> caldwell, Just make sure you have universe enabled.
[07:42] <zAo^> wow xfcd4 is nice :)
[07:42] <LinuxJones> MrTrick, do you have warty installed ?
[07:42] <Peter> cat /etc/issue
[07:42] <Peter> erm
[07:42] <Peter> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
[07:42] <Bader> I got Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[07:42] <Manny> http://www.anjuta.org/wiki/index.php/Anjuta2
[07:42] <Peter> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
[07:43] <Bader> when I type pydoc -k some_string on Ubuntu wharty
[07:43] <pdamoc> at one of the updates of Hoary I got my resolution downgraded to 640X480.... how can I set it back to 1024x768?
[07:43] <Bader> s/wharty/warty/
[07:44] <Bader> pdamoc: maybe dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or directly edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (don't forget to follow the instructions at the beginning)
[07:44] <caldwell> ficusplanet, universe did the trick... thanks
[07:44] <ficusplanet> np
[07:45] <MrTrick> LinuxJones, yep, that's what I'm running. For instance, I'd like to apt-get tuxracer if it's in the repository, but I'm not sure exactly what it's called.
[07:45] <Shay|ubuntu> I like.
[07:45] <rubenv> Shay|ubuntu: great, let's hope not the last time
[07:46] <zenrox> ya
[07:46] <Shay|ubuntu> I don't think so, I'm even thinking about installing it on my sister's machine.
[07:46] <pdamoc> Bader: doesn't Hoary use X.org server ?
[07:46] <Bader> pdamoc: yep.
[07:46] <Bader> pdamoc: replace with correct values.
[07:47] <Peter> what do you do to open .rpms?
[07:47] <Pluk> how can i make a command wait for 5 seconds before coming active?
[07:47] <rcaskey_> Softly: take that, it's a swf showing you what you need to do
[07:47] <stuNNed> Pluk: use at afaik
[07:47] <rcaskey_> TreadingSoftly: anyone at home?
[07:47] <Bader> Peter: eeek, rpm's are not the valid package format for Ubuntu.
[07:47] <LinuxJones> MrTrick, you can do apt-cache search tuxracer
[07:47] <eruin> tuxracer is in universe
[07:47] <Bader> Peter: use synaptic or apt-* instead, ubuntuguide.org
[07:48] <eruin> I think
[07:48] <TreadingSoftly> Oh sorry ... rcaskey_ wasn't paying attention to the channel, there, would you mind sending that again?
[07:48] <Pluk> nice just found the keyword to google on : delay :)
[07:48] <MrTrick> thanks LinuxJones
[07:48] <Pluk> command is after
[07:48] <Pluk> :)
[07:48] <LinuxJones> MrTrick, :)
[07:48] <LinuxJones> MrTrick, there is a very nice graphical program called synaptic too
[07:49] <rcaskey_> Treading: its still being offered
[07:49] <Pluk> now i have to find the package that holds after
[07:51] <TreadingSoftly> rcaskey_: well, it turned it down when it first popped up because I didn't know what it was... but now there's no box to click (I'm in gaim)
[07:51] <rcaskey_> oh
[07:53] <PONIX> hi
[07:53] <PONIX> i am new to ubuntu
[07:53] <Shay|ubuntu> Welcome to the open source world, then.
[07:53] <tarzeau> can i be unsubscribed from ubnutu please?
[07:53] <PONIX> lol
[07:54] <tarzeau> Shay|ubuntu: and i thought it's free software
[07:54] <TreadingSoftly> rcaskey_: thank you :)
[07:54] <MrTrick> Has anyone installed tuxracer on ubuntu? I'm rather new at installing things from source...
[07:56] <Peter> is there any way to tell if you have 3d acceleration/
[07:56] <LinuxJones> tarzeau, what do you mean ?
[07:56] <rcaskey_> Peter: see if glxgears is slow
[07:56] <rcaskey_> Peter: Tuxracer is also a very easy test ;)
[07:56] <tarzeau> LinuxJones: i just got a mail with subject: Subject: Announcing Ubuntu LoCo Teams , and it's not the first
[07:56] <PONIX> is there any way 2 use usb driver on ubuntu ??
[07:57] <LinuxJones> tarzeau, you must have signed up for a mailing list
[07:57] <tarzeau> LinuxJones: at ubuntu? i swear i didn't
[07:57] <tarzeau> LinuxJones: can i check when that happened and by what ip address? or just unsubscribe
[07:57] <LinuxJones> tarzeau, usually it tells you how to unsubscribe in the body of one of the emails
[07:58] <PONIX> any help
[07:58] <pdamoc> what should I enter at monitor informations when I do a xserver recongigure if I use Ubuntu in a VMware virtual machine?
[07:58] <tarzeau> LinuxJones: and a subscription is done by email? webform? at some *ubuntu* hostname?
[07:59] <zAo^> pdamoc, -1 I think
[07:59] <tarzeau> LinuxJones: the thing is i don't think it is okay to be subscribed to lists that you didn't subscribe yourself
[07:59] <PONIX> any 1 here know bout removable storage in ubuntu ??
[07:59] <LinuxJones> tarzeau, I agree 100 %
[07:59] <LinuxJones> tarzeau, maybe you should email the webmaster
[08:01] <toresbe> hello
[08:02] <Stew2_> linuxjones what to use then?
[08:03] <tarzeau> LinuxJones: crap i just recieved the second spam mail
[08:03] <rcaskey_> anyone here recognize this attack vector: harvest email addresses, check domain name for running ssh server, attempt to brute force the username matching the email address?
[08:03] <darksatanic> rcaskey_: Yes, I get lots of them.
[08:03] <rcaskey_> dark: that's my guess
[08:04] <rcaskey_> I know we are seeing known users being probed
[08:04] <rcaskey_> so my guess is that they are searching for email addresse
[08:04] <LinuxJones> Stew2_, for a firewall ?
[08:04] <Stew2_> linuxjones yup
[08:05] <LinuxJones> Stew2_, iptables is available but there is no script setup to run. You will have to create the rules and run the script.
[08:06] <Peter> i cant find a guide to installing .deb files - suggestions? :)
[08:06] <stuNNed> Stew2_: there is shorewall and firestarter
[08:06] <Stew2_> linuxjones I told shorewall to install with synaptic
[08:07] <LinuxJones> Stew2_, firestarter is another gui tho I have never really tried it
[08:11] <MrTrick> Can anyone hazard a guess to why this occurs?
[08:11] <MrTrick> checking whether the C++ compiler (gcc  ) works... no
[08:11] <MrTrick> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot create executables.
[08:12] <LinuxJones> MrTrick, install build-essential
[08:12] <MrTrick> LinuxJones, what's that
[08:13] <LinuxJones> MrTrick, it is a package to enable you to compile software
[08:13] <MrTrick> sounds good.
[08:13] <MrTrick> I've already installed automake and gcc, but it's still complaining. :-)
[08:14] <MrTrick> argh...
[08:14] <Monkey-Dude> can somebody help me with mounting ntfs drives...?
[08:15] <MrTrick> tuxracer wants tcl installed first... but it's not in the repository...
[08:16] <zenrox> Monkey-Dude, go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:16] <rcaskey_> TreadingSoftly: did that get you squared away?
[08:17] <smurfix> anybody experienced w/ MIDI? kmid behaves like it plays, but no sound
[08:18] <dirwolf> any wireless pros available
[08:18] <slashdotter> Hello i have a question about Shipit.ubuntulinux.org - how do i know if my cds are already sent? I ordered them about 2 months ago...
[08:18] <Rytmis> Nah, we're all wireless cons :p
[08:18] <dirwolf> funny
[08:19] <Rytmis> yeah I know. I'm lame. I get that a lot.
[08:20] <slashdotter> :(
[08:20] <TreadingSoftl1> Ubuntu just crashed my Thinkpad T40. Last syslog message: "localhost kernel: ipw2100: IRQ ignored". Should I do something?
[08:20] <shock> yey - running the xorg with shadows now =) looking horribly good =)
[08:21] <shock> osx u suck in puncto good looks =)
[08:21] <zAo^^> how can I make XFCE to start gdesklets at startup?
[08:21] <dirwolf> my wireless config shows support for 40 and 104bit encryption, is there a way to change that
[08:21] <shock> I though xfce has a session thingy somewhere?
[08:21] <LinuxJones> shock, you have any screenshots ?
[08:21] <shock> hm mom
[08:22] <ephic> sup
[08:22] <zAo^^> shock, I cant find that. I can save my sessions, but gdesklets will not start
 shock, you have any screenshots ? -- uploading one now
[08:23] <LinuxJones> shock, cool
 -- as soon as the dist-upgrade is done, I'll take a peek
[08:24] <zAo^^> shock, cool; running right now?
[08:25] <shock> http://www.gtnw.de/~tr/gnome_shadows_cC.png
[08:25] <shock> its started with  "xcompmgr -cC"
[08:25] <shock> so no shadow on the panel ;)
[08:26] <LinuxJones> shock, looks very nice
[08:26] <Peter> how would i install a .deb file i downloaded?
[08:26] <Peter> extract it?
[08:26] <shock> its nothing special actually. just Mist+Milk2.1-borders+hoary-gnome
[08:26] <linuxboy> shock: what am i looking at?
 extract it? --- take a console - and "dpkg -i packagename.deb" it
[08:27] <LinuxJones> peter, dpkg -i .deb
[08:27] <shock> probably as root
[08:27] <linuxboy> shock: oic... nice. standard hoary thing?
[08:27] <Peter> thanks :)
[08:27] <shock> not really
[08:27] <shock> gotta put 3 lines into the xorg...conf
[08:28] <shock> and install xcompmgr
[08:28] <linuxboy> does hoary come with xorg?
[08:28] <shock> yeas
[08:28] <linuxboy> kewl
[08:28] <shock> =)
[08:28] <wezzer> whipee
[08:28] <linuxboy> does watry upgrade to hoary without any troubles?
[08:29] <LinuxJones> linuxboy, depends on when you do it I guess :D
 does watry upgrade to hoary without any troubles? --- I had to do some "apt-get -f install" to continue
[08:29] <shock> but other then that its ok
[08:29] <linuxboy> ok, if i upgrade from the official hoary when it comes out?
[08:29] <shock> some troubles with evolution right now, though (not the upgrade but the running thing)
[08:30] <shock> I guess they'll test the life out of the upgrade before releasing
[08:30] <linuxboy> yeah
[08:30] <linuxboy> i got some debian packages installed (not many) will that break the install?
[08:30] <shock> Im fairly happy running ubuntu-hoary on this powerbook g4. got mplay, xine, gnome-bt, xorg, ...
[08:31] <shock> er... could be, could be not
[08:31] <shock> which packages u got?
[08:31] <linuxboy> custom jed
[08:31] <Einzelganger> Evo 1.1.4 (upgraded in hoary 25th jan) is broken (imap), but I can't find the debs for evo 1.1.3 on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ (only the sources), is there a place to look for those "old" debs ?
[08:31] <shock> 1.1.4 ????
[08:31] <Stew2_> linuxjones does shorewall have a GUI?
[08:31] <tritium> Einzelganger, you mean 2.1.4?
[08:31] <Einzelganger> shock, sorry, 2.1.4
[08:32] <tritium> really?  the latest updates fixed it for me
[08:32] <shock> ;)
[08:32] <LinuxJones> Stew2_, you configure it with a webbrowser I believe
[08:32] <Einzelganger> but e-d-s 1.1.3/4
[08:32] <shock> thats what I thought
[08:32] <shock> the imap thing does double-display of all subscribed folders for me right now
[08:32] <ephic> anyone know how to make synaptic install java for you?
[08:32] <shock> and wont let me change the subscriptions
[08:32] <Stew2_> linuxjones how?
[08:33] <shock> but i guess thats the kindof *** one has to expect from a testing version
[08:33] <ephic> dealing with the linking and whatnot is getting annoying
[08:33] <Martok> Hey, does anybody know if you can boost the output of your sound card?
[08:33] <Martok> I just bought a headset and it's really low.
[08:33] <dirwolf> anyone know how to change the encryption settings on a wireless card
 anyone know how to make synaptic install java for you? <--- youd have to find a mirror and add it to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:33] <Einzelganger> shock, here it display without a nameless folder, and threading is broken too. in the #evo channel they say it will probably be fixed in 1.1.4.2, but I want to downgrade in the meantime, but can't find the "old" evo 2.1.3 on the server
[08:33] <ephic> ya
[08:34] <ephic> alrighty
[08:34] <ephic> it cant be a website with the packages?
[08:34] <han`> is there an ubuntu service editor, like ntsysv, or should i jsut play around in /etc/rc2.d?
[08:34] <ephic> has to be an ftp?
 what arch do u have?
[08:34] <Einzelganger> i386
[08:34] <shock> i386? or powerpc
[08:34] <shock> k
[08:34] <shock> mom
[08:35] <shock> sorry - i only have 2.1.4-0ubuntu2
[08:35] <shock> cause thats appearantly what came with warty?
[08:35] <Einzelganger> hoary
[08:36] <LinuxJones> han', there is no service editor right now :(
[08:36] <Einzelganger> on 25th jan hoary upgraded from 2.1.3 to 2.1.4, but the 2.1.3 is already gone from the servers, they seem to be short on space or something
[08:37] <shock> hm
[08:37] <han`> thanks LinuxJones, not a problem, i can just edit it myself =)
[08:37] <LinuxJones> han', really, there is update-rc.d but it can get overwritten if the service is upgraded
[08:37] <han`> just wanted to make sure thats what i was supposed to be doing
[08:37] <shock> have you looked on the warty server?
[08:37] <Einzelganger> no, which server is that (I look on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/....)
[08:37] <will> hi ppl how do i mount a dvd imamge file
[08:38] <scoon> han`, check out update-rc.d
[08:38] <will> image even
[08:39] <Einzelganger> will, can you open it with file-roller ? (doesn't nautilus show it ?)
[08:39] <scoon> han`, that is the debian service editor
[08:39] <MrTrick> Argh, so many hoops to jump through
[08:39] <MrTrick> If I get this error: "configure: error: Cannot find GL library"
[08:40] <cowbud> MrTrick: what are you trying to build?
[08:40] <afonit_> do any of you run ubuntu 64?
[08:40] <afonit_> just wondering how it is
[08:40] <MrTrick> *which GL library are they talking about, and is it in the repository?*
[08:40] <MrTrick> cowbud, tuxracer
 no, which server is that --- look for it in apt? (replacing hoary with warty...)
[08:40] <shock> maybe you can dl it from there
[08:40] <Einzelganger> shock, that came from my apt/sources.list
[08:40] <cowbud> MrTrick: it looks like mesa is what you need
[08:41] <MrTrick> mesa?
[08:41] <Einzelganger> MrTrick, Have you done "apt-get build-dep tuxracer" ?
[08:41] <cowbud> MrTrick: more importantly why are you building it?
[08:41] <ephic> anyone have a java runtime mirror?
[08:41] <MrTrick> tuxracer isn't in the depository...
[08:41] <ephic> tow hich they installed java?
[08:42] <ephic> i want ubuntu to set it up for me, i just cant find a mirror with sun java runtime standard edition
[08:42] <Einzelganger> MrTrick, it is in hoary universere at least
[08:42] <cowbud> MrTrick: do you have universe enabled?
[08:42] <MrTrick> Einzelganger, oh good. How can I access the hoary depository if I'm running warty?
[08:42] <MrTrick> cowbud, I have NO idea what you're talking about (pretty new at all this, be gentle)
[08:42] <Einzelganger> Add "deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse" to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:43] <Einzelganger> if you want to build it yourself
[08:43] <cowbud> I don't think he wants to build it :)
[08:43] <Einzelganger> otherwise replace deb-src by deb
[08:43] <iceman3301> Has anyone had any success in making the backlit keyboard work on Ubuntu?  I know it works in Linux (via pbbuttonsd) since I have done it on Yellow Dog.  I have pbbuttonsd running and everything works, except the backlit keys.  I read I need i2c-dev and i2c-keywest modules loaded.  I can load dev but the system can't find keywest.
[08:43] <iceman3301> (backlit keyboard of PowerBoog)
[08:44] <MrTrick> Einzelganger, ok, I'll try that. (then afterwards, 'apt-get install tuxracer', yes?
[08:45] <shock> dont forget to "apt-get update"
[08:45] <shock> ;)
[08:46] <shock> I had that once... tried to get mplayer but i was too drunk to figure out my error
[08:46] <Einzelganger> MrTrick, Yes, but be aware that this might pull a lot more hoary packages in, which could make your system less stable
[08:46] <shock> actually hoary runs fairly stable unless you want to change the theme.....
[08:46] <shock> *grml*
[08:46] <MrTrick> well, I've had to install lots of stuff to try and build tux-racer from source... is there any way to find out what it means by 'couldn't find opengl'?
[08:47] <will> Einzelganger: sorry, i can open it, of course, but i want to mount it :)
[08:47] <shock> er
[08:47] <LinuxJones> MrTrick, what kind of video card do you have ?
[08:48] <shock> if you have all the fs supports - just mount name.img /mountpoint ?
[08:48] <MrTrick> LinuxJones, a TNT2
[08:48] <LinuxJones> MrTrick, ok you need to install the nvidia drivers. 1 sec I will get you a link
[08:49] <MrTrick> ah, thanks, that'd be great
[08:49] <Peter> where is the xorg config file?
[08:49] <Peter> /etc/x11/xorg.conf?
[08:49] <Einzelganger> MrTrick, building it yourself if doing it right is safer, you can use all the warty-packages. Basically you have to do: 1) Add the above line (with deb-src) to sources.list 2) sudo apt-get update 3) apt-get source tuxracer 4) sudo apt-get build-dep tuxracer 5) cd tuxracer-version 6) dpkg-buildpackage 7) pray it works :)
[08:50] <LinuxJones> MrTrick, >> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[08:50] <MrTrick> Einzelganger, actually, I uncommented the main warty repository in sources.list (initially only had the security rep) and tuxracer is in there...
[08:50] <MrTrick> thanks LinuxJones
[08:51] <Einzelganger> MrTrick, Ok, that's even more easier :)
[08:52] <Einzelganger> will, sudo mount -o loop file.iso /path/to/mount
[08:54] <MrTrick> okay, everything looks good so far (installed drivers, installing tuxracer)
[08:54] <mchang> howdeee
[08:54] <will> Einzelganger: i get the no loop device found problem
[08:54] <mehere> hey guys
[08:54] <mehere> any linux experts here?
[08:54] <wezzer> maybe
[08:54] <wezzer> (not me!)
[08:54] <mchang> is it possible to do an nfs install with warty?
[08:54] <mehere> umm i installed ubuntu
[08:55] <wezzer> tell us your problem
[08:55] <mehere> it never asked me to se the su password
[08:55] <shock> er.... I guess
[08:55] <LinuxJones> will, >> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountisofilewithoutburning
[08:55] <mehere> now whenever i try to go su it asks for a password
[08:55] <MrTrick> aight, gotta go.,...
[08:55] <Einzelganger> will, are there /dev/loop0 or /dev/loop/0 'files' ?
[08:55] <mehere> how can i fix this?
[08:55] <darksatanic> mehere: There is no root password in ubuntu. Use sudo.
[08:55] <wezzer> mehere: yes
[08:55] <mchang> mehere, use sudo
[08:55] <wezzer> but try using command sudo instead
[08:55] <wezzer> or if you really want to be root, type: sudo su root
[08:55] <wezzer> then password, which it asks, is your own
[08:56] <mehere> ok lemme try
[08:57] <mehere> wow
[08:57] <mehere> worked
[08:57] <mehere> thanks man
[08:57] <wezzer> :)
[08:57] <mehere> i like ubuntu it's better than suse
[08:58] <mehere> umm one other question
[08:58] <mehere> how do i install packages on ubuntu
[08:58] <mehere> where should i connect to?
[08:58] <beny> use synaptic ?
[08:58] <wezzer> try running synaptic
[08:59] <wezzer> from gnome-menu
[08:59] <wezzer> Computer -> System Configuration
[08:59] <mehere> woohoo
[09:00] <mehere> all gui
[09:00] <mehere> this is fun
[09:00] <mehere> do they have java runtimes too?
[09:00] <mehere> or i gotta install the sun one
[09:00] <wezzer> try search
[09:00] <wezzer> and check that you enable universe
[09:01] <wezzer> from Options -> Repository
[09:01] <mehere> options?
[09:01] <mehere> where's options
[09:01] <rellik> anyone know how to get ssh to forward x?
[09:01] <wezzer> umm, I mean settings
[09:02] <wezzer> sorry :)
[09:02] <beny> in synaptic ... ?
[09:02] <wezzer> yea
[09:02] <mz2> mehere, ubuntuguide.org will assist you through installing java (although it is available as a .deb package as well, if you google around a bit)
[09:02] <mehere> i'm quite new to this but seems like this address has a lot of things
[09:02] <mehere> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountisofilewithoutburning
[09:02] <wezzer> yea, absolutely
[09:02] <mehere> oh that's cool
[09:02] <mehere> ;)
[09:02] <wezzer> it is like a holy book to us :)
[09:03] <FLeiXiuS> Also, check the forums the most.
[09:03] <Peter> how do you mount folders?
[09:03] <cowbud> yah except you sholdnt have to modprobe the loop module it should automatically be loaded
[09:05] <mehere> umm do you guys know a good address for xwindows development?
[09:05] <beny> x.org ?
[09:06] <darksatanic> mehere: http://www.rahul.net/kenton/xsites.html
[09:06] <darksatanic> mehere: About 60% of the way down, there's a section on X programming tutorials.
[09:07] <darksatanic> (If that's what you were after)
[09:07] <rellik> last time I logged in as root he had mail, so I read it..  now I wanted to read it agian but typing 'mail' says no waiting messages...  how do I get at old mails?
[09:08] <Peter> im following this (http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu#Finish_chroot) tutorial on chroot - how do you mount the folders?
[09:08] <snowblink> (warty) Trying to install vim-python via Synaptic. However it wants to remove vim, vim-common, and ubuntu-base. Any ideas?
[09:08] <beny> rellik, mail -f /root/mbox ?
[09:09] <snowblink> Should I be concerned about ubuntu-base being removed?
[09:09] <mehere> k gotta go
[09:10] <mehere> thanks a lot for the help guys
[09:10] <mehere> see ya
[09:10] <beny> rellik, when you use mail software, this one move mails in /var/mail/ to your home direcotry when you read yours mails
[09:12] <Peter> any clues?
[09:12] <tsw> Any howtos to make ubuntu "kiosk" type machine so that customers can read their email and use web
[09:13] <tsw> preferably with something else than gnome or kde (only 128 mem on these machines)
[09:23] <Schaap> hi, i need quick FTP server that allows uploading, alongthe lines of "set users, set pass, set path, set port and the upload or just view permission"
[09:23] <Schaap> Any ftp that is that easy?
[09:23] <Schaap> VS and Wu are not good for that :(
[09:24] <tsw> proftpd worked for me
[09:24] <Schaap> Pro
[09:24] <Schaap> ok havent tried that one
[09:24] <Schaap> cheers
[09:25] <tierra|w> well, proftpd isn't the best for that either... but the only server I do know of that's good for that is Filezilla (for windows) ... but there's a million other ftpd I haven't touched
[09:27] <Schaap> Yeah, butwindows is acting weird on mewith Filezilla
[09:27] <Schaap> can connectfrom 127
[09:27] <Schaap> but enything else is evil
[09:27] <Schaap> any
[09:28] <Schaap> all i need is some files, but he can only upload it to FTp
[09:28] <Schaap> so i need a quick ftp with upload options
[09:29] <HeMan> Hi! Is there any webpage like packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[09:29] <HrdwrBoB> HeMan: not yet
[09:29] <HrdwrBoB> HeMan: what do you need?
[09:30] <HeMan> HrdwrBoB: I am looking for the maintainer of a packet (acpi-support) to send a patch
[09:30] <HrdwrBoB> ahhh
[09:31] <HrdwrBoB> best thing to do
[09:31] <HrdwrBoB> file a bug
[09:31] <HrdwrBoB> after you've filed the bug
[09:31] <HrdwrBoB> it'll ask you to attach a file
[09:31] <HrdwrBoB> attach the path
[09:31] <HeMan> ah, i'll do that
[09:31] <tahorg> anyone here use has beagle working on hoary ?
[09:32] <bzbb> firefox thinks it is running, even though it isn't
[09:32] <tahorg> I'd like to know if inotify doesn't introduce too much overhead on file access
[09:32] <pAntZ> does anyone hear run firefox or openoffice in a language other than english
[09:32] <pAntZ> oops?
[09:33] <radiokills> hello
[09:33] <tahorg> pAntZ: I do
[09:33] <pAntZ> s/hear/here/
[09:33] <bzbb> where is the lockfile i need to delete?
[09:33] <HrdwrBoB> bzbb: it may well be running
[09:33] <pAntZ> tahorg, how do you get the locale to display in your language? (after downloading the appropriate lang packages)
[09:34] <bzbb> HrdwrBoB, ps -aux| grep firefox says no
[09:34] <HrdwrBoB> ah
[09:34] <pAntZ> i installed the firefox and OO french packages but dunno how to get them to display french!
[09:34] <tahorg> pAntZ: for firefox you have to go in the preference panel
[09:34] <tahorg> pAntZ: and then choose languages
[09:35] <pAntZ> tahorg, is it the character encoding?
[09:35] <tahorg> pAntZ: *sigh* you're right
[09:35] <tahorg> pAntZ: I don't remember how I did
[09:36] <pAntZ> tahorg, doh :)
[09:36] <deepnarc> anybody notice any problems with archive.ubuntu.com ?
[09:36] <pAntZ> tahorg, so the character encoding thing won't change the lang in the menus then?
[09:36] <beny> when ?
[09:36] <HrdwrBoB> deepnarc: no
[09:37] <tahorg> pAntZ: no
[09:37] <deepnarc> HrdwrBob: thx. Can't seem to reach it myself...
[09:37] <pAntZ> tahorg, do you run your firefox with other options? ie. /usr/bin/firefox lang=fr_FR or something like that?
[09:37] <tahorg> pAntZ: IIRC it's just for the langage displayed in the User-agent
[09:37] <tahorg> pAntZ: non
[09:38] <tahorg> pAntZ: :)
[09:38] <pAntZ> tahorg, so i guess you are using the french pack lol ;)
[09:38] <netmonk> can someone please tell me how do I make a script start every time I boot the computer?
[09:39] <Martok> Hey can somebody tell me why my sound card sounds better and louder in Windows and not in Linux?
[09:40] <HrdwrBoB> netmonk: make a directory /etc/rc.boot
[09:40] <HrdwrBoB> and put it in there
[09:40] <HrdwrBoB> Martok: probably the sound card drivers
[09:40] <Martok> Darn...
[09:40] <bitfoo> someone want to help me debug why my sound playback doesnt work in hoary :|
[09:40] <bitfoo> i dunno what to look for :/
[09:41] <netmonk> HrdwrBoB, this will be all?
[09:41] <HrdwrBoB> netmonk: yes
[09:42] <netmonk> wow, thank you
[09:42] <Martok> I can't even record sounds in Linux.
[09:42] <bitfoo> i always get audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy.
[09:42] <Martok> But in Windows it works flawlessly.
[09:42] <bitfoo> but I can hear the ubuntu sounds, just not sound/music in mp3s and movie :O
[09:42] <vladster> is there a repository that I can add that would include libdvdread
[09:43] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: what are you using to listen to music/etc
[09:43] <snowblink> Is there any way to change the way the date is displayed on the clock applet?
[09:43] <bitfoo> i was trying to use xmms
[09:44] <HrdwrBoB> vladster: tes http://debian.video.free.fr/
[09:44] <bitfoo> but neither that nor totem nor mplayer will play sound :|
[09:44] <HrdwrBoB> snowblink: right click preferences
[09:44] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: makesure esd is the output plugin
[09:44] <bitfoo> how
[09:44] <snowblink> HrdwrBoB: I'm on warty. Can't change date format.
[09:45] <HrdwrBoB> options-> preferences ->
[09:45] <rellik> I tried to 'make' something and it said "curses.h: file not found"... any idea which package has curses?
[09:45] <HrdwrBoB> down the bottom is 'output plugin
[09:45] <HrdwrBoB> rellik: ncurses-devel
[09:45] <HrdwrBoB> rellik: ncurses5-devel maybe
[09:46] <bitfoo> hmm
[09:46] <bitfoo> xmms wont even load ;|
[09:46] <snowblink> HrdwrBoB: um. I can't see anywhere to change the date format.
[09:47] <bitfoo> there is something wrong with the overall sound device, not just xmms HrdwrBoB
[09:47] <bitfoo> :|
[09:47] <bitfoo> at least thats what i think :O
[09:47] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: what error does it give
[09:48] <bitfoo> i told you...audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy.
[09:48] <bitfoo> totem just says resource busy
[09:48] <bitfoo> and xmms will either not load or freeze when pressing play
[09:49] <HrdwrBoB> xmms says that and doesn't start up?
[09:49] <bitfoo> xmms wont say anything
[09:49] <bitfoo> that is what mplayer says
[09:49] <bitfoo> totem says Device or resource busy.
[09:49] <bur[n] er> anyone know if the newest array 3.5 iso can be used to install a system as well as a live disk?
[09:49] <HrdwrBoB> mplayer -ao esd
[09:51] <sap> bitfoo: lsof /dev/dsp ?
[09:51] <deadcat> live cd for ppc comming yet?
[09:51] <bitfoo> bitfoo@horus:~/music $ lsof /dev/dsp
[09:51] <bitfoo> COMMAND  PID   USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
[09:51] <bitfoo> esd     8018 bitfoo    5w   CHR   14,3      8152 /dev/dsp
[09:51] <LinuxJones> bur[n] er, no
[09:52] <bitfoo> also i got this when i tried -ao HrdwrBoB
[09:52] <bitfoo> 77 audio & 188 video codecs
[09:52] <bitfoo> Linux RTC init error in ioctl (rtc_irqp_set 1024): Permission denied
[09:52] <bitfoo> :|
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> yes that's normal
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> ignore it
[09:52] <bitfoo> well it didnt play :|
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> what did it get up do
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> just that?
[09:52] <bitfoo> Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.
[09:52] <bitfoo> Audio: no sound
[09:52] <bitfoo> Video: no video
[09:53] <bitfoo> it plays the video though if i choose video file :O
[09:53] <HrdwrBoB> that's with -ao esd
[09:53] <bitfoo> yes
[09:53] <HrdwrBoB> can you check if esd is running?
[09:53] <HrdwrBoB> ps ax|grep esd
[09:53] <bitfoo> how
[09:53] <bitfoo> bitfoo@horus:~/music $ ps ax|grep esd
[09:53] <bitfoo>  8018 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[09:53] <bitfoo>  3304 pts/0    R+     0:00 grep esd
[09:54] <bitfoo> this issue only happened after i upgraded to hoary btw :|
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> hm
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> ahhhh
[09:55] <bitfoo> it plays ubuntu sounds
[09:55] <bitfoo> so i dunno :|
[09:55] <Martok> HrdwrBoB: Do you think Hoary will have better sound drivers?
[09:55] <nir> where can I get kernel-soruce-2.6.8.1?
[09:55] <nir> not available with apt-get
[09:56] <HrdwrBoB> Martok: it's possible, alsa is a few points higher in 2.6.10
[09:56] <bitfoo> maybe it is this alsa thing :O
[09:56] <bitfoo> how do i see if i have it :|
[09:56] <LinuxJones> nir, look for linux-source
[09:56] <nir> available as binry though
[09:56] <HrdwrBoB> nir: if you're using warty it should be
[09:56] <nir> the name has changed?
[09:56] <Martok> Ok, thanks.
[09:56] <LinuxJones> nir, in Ubuntu yes
[09:57] <bitfoo> so any suggestions
[09:57] <bitfoo> is it the lack of alsa or any sound drivers somewhere or what
[09:57] <nir> hmm, it wold be good idea to update the install manual
[09:57] <HrdwrBoB> alsa is included
[09:57] <HrdwrBoB> if you have sound at all, it's through alsa
[09:57] <bitfoo> yeh i do
[09:58] <snowblink> HrdwrBoB: could not find date format option. Any hints?
[09:59] <LinuxJones> bitfoo, what is gstreamer-properties set to alsa or oss ?
[09:59] <HeMan> how long time does it take to get a user on bugzilla?
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> snowblink: that's odd, I have a much older panel applet on this system and it's here, though I don't have a warty system handy to test
[09:59] <bitfoo> LinuxJones, how do i check
[09:59] <LinuxJones> bitfoo, ALT + F2 gstreamer=properties
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> unfortunately if there's no properties option when you right click
[10:00] <snowblink> HrdwrBoB: I get preferences, but that's doesn't give you much play
[10:00] <bitfoo> default sink output esd, default sink pipeline esdsink, default source input oss, default source pipeline osssrc
[10:00] <HrdwrBoB> snowblink: that has four options on how to change the format
[10:01] <LinuxJones> bitfoo, select alsa and click test
[10:01] <snowblink> HrdwrBoB: sorry wasn't clear. I want to see date as yyyymmdd
[10:01] <nir> to get linux-source.xx, sould I use apt-get install or source?
[10:01] <bitfoo> Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'
[10:02] <LinuxJones> bitfoo, ahh ok
[10:02] <HrdwrBoB> nir: apt-get
[10:02] <HrdwrBoB> nir: it will put it in /usr/src
[10:02] <bur[n] er> LinuxJones: thanks
[10:02] <nir> apt-get is clear
[10:02] <LinuxJones> ;)
[10:03] <nir> the question is apt-get install or apt-get source
[10:03] <nir> ?
[10:07] <Speirs> ey
[10:07] <Speirs> ive got a question
[10:07] <Speirs> what the code to get into the partition maker ?
[10:07] <Speirs> :)
[10:07] <bitfoo> so whats the verdict LinuxJones
[10:10] <bitfoo> LinuxJones, ya left me hangin :|
[10:12] <Soupster> would someone mind helping a clueless newb who's struggling with X server set up?
[10:14] <r3v3rb> evening all
[10:14] <r3v3rb> successful install of hoary up and running
[10:14] <r3v3rb> two questions if i may
[10:15] <r3v3rb> how to get wireless network to remember settings and start at startup, and also I have no sound after installing array 3 cd
[10:17] <snowblink> r3v3rb: In warty, there is an option in the networking tool to tell the device to start at boot
[10:18] <bitfoo> he is running hoary
[10:18] <bitfoo> i have no sound either in hoary r3v3rb :(
[10:18] <rellik> how do I get linux to recognize the netbios names on my network?  "smbclient -NL a.b.c.d" gives "called name not present"...  and it seems that this is because I'm not using the netbios name of the server..  but "ping <server_netbios_name>" gives "unknown host"
[10:18] <bitfoo> welli have sound but no alsa :|
[10:18] <r3v3rb> snowblink, i am running hoary as bitfoo said
[10:19] <hhorsman> hi, having trouble with some outside connections, apache wont take connections from anything other then local and lan addresses, and same for ssh
[10:19] <r3v3rb> hmm, want to stick with hoary, didnt want to go back to warty tbh
[10:19] <bitfoo> yeh me too :|
[10:19] <snowblink> r3v3rb: understand. So the networking tool doesn't have this option now?
[10:19] <bitfoo> but if i cant play music or videos i might have to :|
[10:20] <r3v3rb> nope
[10:20] <r3v3rb> bitfoo, troo
[10:20] <bitfoo> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12914
[10:20] <bitfoo> check that :O
[10:20] <r3v3rb> snowblink, no it doesnt
[10:20] <snowblink> r3v3rb: hope that's an oversight
[10:21] <r3v3rb> doesnt look like it
[10:21] <bzbb> is there an apache gui config tool?
[10:21] <r3v3rb> also it doesnt remember any config settings after restart so it seems
[10:25] <neighborlee> why was the decision made to leave OUT gcc as part of ubuntu install ? LOL
[10:25] <neighborlee> I mean talk about embarrasing
[10:26] <neighborlee> I write to forum about not being able to get this script working only to find gcc isn't even installeddddddddddd
[10:26] <neighborlee> rant over
[10:26] <r3v3rb> bitfoo, i got sound working in hoary, under xine for audio and video m8
[10:26] <r3v3rb> :)
[10:27] <neighborlee> minimalistic is good sometimes but gez louise..I think leaving OUT gcc is a big mistake
[10:27] <scruch> hi friends =) , i have a lot of trouble about "partition utility" during ubuntu installer.. its incredible .. i could not do nothing, if i do partizion he say "unable to write filesystem" and in console he say "The device apparentely does not exist" . .. what can i do ?
[10:27] <bitfoo> hmm
[10:27] <bitfoo> i use xmms r3v3rb
[10:27] <tritium> neighborlee, you know to install build-essential if you want gcc, right?
[10:27] <r3v3rb> root term -> alsamixer -> turn on then PCM and adjust the volume default is 0 !!
[10:27] <neighborlee> tritium, that is not the point dude
[10:27] <r3v3rb> then under xine i changed default audio output to oss and voila audio !
[10:27] <neighborlee> tritium, but thx just the same
[10:27] <tritium> just asking to make sure, dude
[10:28] <r3v3rb> try that with xmms m8
[10:28] <neighborlee> tritium, np..i'm just a bit....out of sorts and embarrased ;(
[10:28] <neighborlee> tritium, thx for heads up ;-)
[10:28] <vladster> it does not seem that they have it
[10:28] <tritium> neighborlee, np
[10:28] <neighborlee> tritium, do you think they will include gcc in future release ?
[10:28] <tritium> neighborlee, no, I don't
[10:28] <bitfoo> r3v3rb my pcm is at 74 :|
[10:28] <kbrooks> neighborlee, no
[10:29] <kbrooks> neighborlee, gcc is rarely needed by most desktop users
[10:29] <tritium> neighborlee, and they'd like to keep the install system on 1 CD
[10:29] <vladster> everything depends on libc6
[10:29] <r3v3rb> try oss then bitfoo
[10:29] <neighborlee> kbrooks, yeah I do understand..but gez even redhat comes with it for petes sake LOL
[10:29] <bitfoo> why
[10:29] <bitfoo> alsa is better i thought :|
[10:29] <r3v3rb> maybe alsa is broken though
[10:29] <neighborlee> tritium, so its literally a space issue maybe
[10:30] <r3v3rb> in hoary
[10:30] <bitfoo> i think it is :|
[10:30] <bitfoo> thus
[10:30] <bitfoo> i need to figure out how to use oss instead
[10:30] <tritium> neighborlee, not just space.  See what kbrooks said above too
[10:30] <r3v3rb> xmms, settings, audio device
[10:30] <sjoerd> neighborlee: most desktop users don't ever need it and it's not like it's difficult to install afterwards
[10:30] <r3v3rb> change to oss
[10:30] <neighborlee> tritium, well..maybe they could offer a warning...cause I truly had no idea why I kept getting this error running this script ALTHOUGH the script maker could have issued a warning I guess if gcc was not found
[10:30] <bzbb> meh, if you are the type to install packages from source, you can figure out how to apt-get the devel environment
[10:30] <sjoerd> neighborlee: and most of the time you need extra devel libs too anyway, so
[10:30] <vladster> still cant find it and the google did not help either
[10:30] <r3v3rb> i think if i remember rightly
[10:30] <neighborlee> tritium, although I imagine he 'assumed' most distros have it  as normal part of install <G>.and he'd be right ;(
[10:31] <vladster> any european sources that might have it , like poland perhaps?
[10:31] <neighborlee> sjoerd, yeah I know...still I think they could maybe 'fit' gcc and leave out one of the games ?
[10:31] <r3v3rb> gtg, catch u l8r, bitfoo good luck
[10:31] <bitfoo> thnx
[10:31] <tritium> neighborlee, even in debian, you have to select development stuff in tasksel when installing to get gcc
[10:31] <neighborlee> sjoerd, to me thats more important to most linux users...OR at least warn them out front that 'gcc' must be installed and why
[10:32] <bzbb> I odn't remember getting a tasksel type dialog when setting up ubuntu
[10:32] <kbrooks> neighborlee, a noob to linux would be truly confused anyway
[10:33] <sjoerd> neighborlee: if you know what gcc is you be able to figure out how to install the package fast enough :)
[10:33] <neighborlee> kbrooks, I dont mind gcc not being here in light of 'ease of use' and all..maybe I should be a bit angrier at the 'script' designer that he didn't 'check' for availability OF gcc..
[10:33] <kbrooks> yeah.
[10:33] <kbrooks> not at ubuntu
[10:34] <neighborlee> kbrooks, I spent all night wondering WHY ( well half an hour at least) this wasn't compiling when I know it did before LOL..sigh..oh well least I know why not LOL
[10:35] <neighborlee> sjoerd, most source would warn me ;-)..ill let script designer know it wouldn't hurt to do so ..ha..
[10:35] <kbrooks> neighborlee, if you were a desktop user and new to linux, would  you use gcc?
[10:35] <sjoerd> neighborlee: right :)
[10:36] <neighborlee> kbrooks, def. not LOL
[10:36] <kbrooks> the answer serves my point. ;)
[10:37] <bitfoo> how does one set up the soundcard :|
[10:37] <Prower> Hello :> i've just built a package from source, and I was hoping to be able to create a package from it that I could redistribute..are there any online tutorials out there on how to put one together? I've been looking on Google, but haven't found much yet
[10:37] <vladster> How com ubuntu does not install with a compiler?
[10:38] <neighborlee> kbrooks, I understand why its left out I just wish maybe a warning of some type maybe..cause I sat here wondering what the heck is wrong....installing it is SO dain easy too so...mabye a little warning somewhere as reminder for such uncommon times like programmings that dont check for gcc being installed in their scripts and for people like me that ( late at night) sadly didn't 'catch' thats what was wrong....either way it
[10:38] <neighborlee>  was frustrating
[10:38] <neighborlee> :)
 - enduser-system?
[10:38] <shock> :)
[10:38] <shock> just apt-get the compiler :)
[10:38] <sjoerd> neighborlee: don't blame ubuntu for lame scripts not working :)
[10:38] <kbrooks> vladster,
[10:38] <kbrooks>  gcc is rarely needed by most desktop users
[10:38] <neighborlee> sjoerd, i'm essentially not blaming ubutnu
[10:38] <kbrooks> vladster, if you were a desktop user and new to linux, would  you use gcc?
[10:39] <bitfoo> im about to say fuck it and go back to warty :|
 how does one set up the soundcard :| <--- ????
[10:39] <neighborlee> sjoerd, i'm just saying maybe a little reminder at some point of install process wouldn't hurt ....its not a knock on ubuntu at all...just a kindly reminder ?
[10:39] <bitfoo> yes how :|
[10:39] <vladster> If I was using source packages
[10:39] <bitfoo> so i can play music and video files :|
[10:40] <kbrooks> vladster, ok, but
[10:40] <sjoerd> neighborlee: no use to most user, just confusing..
[10:40] <kbrooks> vladster, i'm talking generality.
[10:40] <punkrockguy318> where can I submit a GNOME feature request?
[10:40] <zenrox> www.gnome.org
[10:41] <punkrockguy318> gnome bug tracker?
[10:41] <snowblink> neighborlee: I think you were just unlucky. Most ./configure would have pointed out the fact you didn't have a compiler.
[10:41] <zenrox> punkrockguy318,  no
[10:41] <punkrockguy318> zenrox, where?
[10:41] <zenrox> some whare on there page
[10:41] <kbrooks> vladster, if you were completely new to linux, would you even use gcc *at all*, period?
[10:41] <zenrox> dont know whare to
[10:42] <punkrockguy318> zenrox, i dont see it
[10:42] <zenrox> look for a e-mail list
[10:42] <neighborlee> snowblink, VERY unlucky yes LOL
[10:43] <neighborlee> snowblink, exactly..I 'pointed' this out in my forum reply too <G>
[10:44] <vladster> I suppose scripting is a thing for those of us who remember dos batch files
[10:47] <nir> what is this error: debian/rules:79: *** first argument to `word' function must be greater than 0.
[10:47] <nir> happen when I try to run make-kpkg --revision=... kernel_image
[10:47] <snowblink> To anyone who may have been reading earlier. vim-python installation bug https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=834
[10:48] <vladster> looks like I have to roll a tarball for transcode
[10:50] <cafuego> transcode is available via marillat
[10:50] <cafuego> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html
[10:50] <cafuego> i386 only.
[10:50] <cafuego> Don't bother if you have amd64, it won't compile.
[10:51] <vladster> what is the port for swat
[10:51] <cafuego> 901
[10:51] <vladster> 631 or 931
[10:51] <cafuego> 631 is cups
[10:51] <Sav> anyone used BLueFish ?
[10:55] <kariudo> hi, having trouble with some outside connections, apache wont take connections from anything other then local and lan addresses, and same for ssh
[10:55] <vladster> oh well back to woody for the server
[10:56] <cafuego> vladster: <heh>
[10:56] <vladster> at least it worked
[10:56] <cafuego> Having samba issues?
[10:57] <vladster> was tring to get redhat 9 to work as a server
[10:57] <cafuego> why would you do that?
[10:57] <vladster> it wroked back in school four years back in the lab
[10:57] <vladster> worked
[10:58] <cafuego> if it's a LAN server, you could consider Sarge. Should be stable in a month or so.
[10:58] <Soupster> Is there a gui tool for X server configuration in ubuntu? I'm a clueless newb, but I think I've looked everywhere obvious
[10:58] <cafuego> I happily run it at home.
[10:59] <cafuego> Soupster: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:00] <Soupster> cafuego - thanks
[11:00] <vladster> that means I gotta grab the sarge iso
[11:00] <cafuego> vladster: The RC2 netinst is about 100MB
[11:01] <vladster> they have rc4 now
[11:01] <cafuego> they skilled 3 completely?
[11:02] <cafuego> No, it's still rc2.
[11:02] <cafuego> http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
[11:02] <neighborlee> while I'm at it ...what if any progress has been made to include java and flash at least as part of default install ??? ;-)
[11:03] <neighborlee> I"m left wondering because I know other distros include them both
[11:03] <cafuego> neighborlee: There is no non-386 flash and no non-386 java plugin. So theyc an't be properly added, eh?
[11:03] <neighborlee> and yes I know..legalities legalaities
[11:03] <cafuego> neighborlee: There's "java-package" for easily converting Sun's .bin downloads, though.
[11:03] <neighborlee> cafuego, well then how on earth do other distors 'include them ' ?
[11:03] <neighborlee> not good enough
[11:03] <neighborlee> I want to see it work 'out of the box'
[11:04] <cafuego> neighborlee: They don't support non-i386
[11:04] <neighborlee> why is that important to me ?
[11:04] <neighborlee> cafuego, and its a mistake
[11:04] <neighborlee> HUGE mistake
[11:04] <cafuego> neighborlee: Then you're probably looking at getting another distro.
[11:04] <neighborlee> no ..def. not
[11:04] <neighborlee> I love ubuntu and what it 'stands for'
[11:04] <neighborlee> but not to include a package that 'stands for ease of use' is beyond me
[11:04] <cafuego> neighborlee: *I* don't have 386 hardware and would prefer fellow users not get preferential treatment.
[11:04] <eder> hi
[11:05] <cafuego> Just because THEY chose to use inferior hardware doesn't mean they need extra software <heh>
[11:05] <neighborlee> the 386 crowd is NOT the norm though
[11:05] <neighborlee> if ubuntu 'stands ' for ease of use..why not made a default install 'easy to use' ? ;-))
[11:06] <cafuego> neighborlee: In what way is the default install not easy to sue, then? Seemed fine to me.
[11:06] <neighborlee> do you find having to 'manually install 'java easy?
[11:06] <cafuego> I don't have any problems with bloated websites not showing their LOUD BANNER ADS
[11:06] <neighborlee> thats my point
[11:06] <vladster> I really need to find a supply of mini cds
[11:06] <cafuego> neighborlee: It's no harder then running through the Ubuntu installer.
[11:06] <neighborlee> 'if' we are 'targeting' a crowd we want to 'attact' to linux..why make it difficult for them to do common internet things ?
[11:07] <cafuego> or for that matter, no harder than installing Java on a windoze box
[11:07] <vladster> but for my customers, all I need is a small pack of mini-disks
[11:07] <neighborlee> cafuego, java is NOT going to be 'easy' for a newbie type coming from windows though...and that is at least 'part' of the crowd it seems that ubuntu is trying to attract isn't it ?? ( or so I" hope)
[11:08] <cafuego> neighborlee: You *could* of course create a meta package which automates all this and submit it for inclusiion, rather then complain about it ;-)
[11:08] <neighborlee> and frankly..I find it a major pain to deal with myself...
[11:09] <neighborlee> cafuego, im not complaining but wondering why its not been done ..and would this 'submission' truly be included on next release ?
[11:09] <neighborlee> cafuego, if so I need docs for how this is done as programming isn't necessary my strong suit atm
[11:09] <cafuego> neighborlee: If it's good enough, I don't see why it couldn't go into 'restricted'.
[11:09] <runenes_> My s key stopped working in gnome - if i ctrl-alt-f1 to a teminal it works - I think it has something to do with the keyboard shortcut settings, I used s by mistake, but now the settings dont mention s - thoughts?
[11:09] <cafuego> neighborlee: Debian proper has a similar thing for the nvidia drivers.
[11:09] <runenes_> I copy
[11:09] <cafuego> neighborlee: fetch a source pkg, see how it works...
[11:10] <neighborlee> cafuego, well..with all due respect my 'goal' is to make ubuntu 'easy to use' out of the box...
[11:10] <cafuego> neighborlee: ... or 'msttcorefonts'.
[11:10] <neighborlee> cafuego, I want windows users coming here to find it 'ready to go'....which I guess would mean yes one less game or something included on a ONE cd install...but I think the gains outweight the loss
[11:10] <Sav> anyone used BlueFish ?
[11:10] <timo_> hello people
[11:10] <Peter> how hard is it to revert from 64bit ubuntu back to 32bit?
[11:10] <mbp_> runenes_: go back into keyboard preferences, and make sure no action is bound to  's'
[11:10] <cafuego> neighborlee: Oh, I don't disagree that ease of use is great. I do, however, not think specific supported arches should get prefererantial treatment over others.
[11:11] <neighborlee> Sav, yes I love it
[11:11] <timo_> who knows sumn about Apache2?
[11:11] <runenes_> mbp_, I have
[11:11] <cafuego> neighborlee: People stuck on windows will normally go via Fedora and/or Mandrake anyways.
[11:11] <neighborlee> shrug maybe
[11:11] <timo_> Need help on Apache2
[11:11] <julio> cafuego, that's true.
[11:11] <neighborlee> cafuego, god help them if they go to either frankly
[11:11] <cafuego> timo_: try asking your question, then.
[11:11] <cafuego> neighborlee: <heh>
[11:11] <runenes_> mbp_, I havent rebooted though, i cant right now, but i upect it will fix it
[11:11] <julio> i was once a mandrakee. now i'm in love with Ubuntu. :-)
[11:12] <neighborlee> cafuego, see thats my point.ubuntu is SO kewl in so many ways..I think it excedes the ability in some key areas over both Fedora and mdk
[11:12] <DAC1138> who was it here that wanted the bug reports form my xserver error?
[11:12] <cafuego> neighborlee: it can only be good for ubuntu, people getting fed up with fc/mdk and discovering ubuntu/debian.
[11:12] <julio> but i don't a million GUIs added to Ubuntu just to make it "user-friendly"
[11:12] <julio> i don't want*
[11:12] <cafuego> neighborlee: it means they compare it to a shit distro, rather then the WIndows XP they were used to.
[11:12] <neighborlee> cafuego, meaning I'd love to see us reach full potential..and we wont do I think dont think if we make them deal with java manual installs...:(..flash is one thing through synaptic but..;-))
[11:12] <paulproteus> Right.  There should be a handful of excellently-designed GUIs rather than a million sucky ones.
[11:13] <cafuego> neighborlee: Once you have java, flash just runs. no need for additional crap.
[11:13] <julio> SuSE is GUI crazy. it's so clunky.
[11:13] <cafuego> paulproteus: That didn't stop KDE for being created <heh>
[11:13] <neighborlee> flash runs without  java my friend..i''m just saying I fear it a mistake not to include java out of the box in favor of a few games or something
[11:14] <cafuego> neighborlee: I know, it also runs without the highly buggy flash package though.
[11:14] <jeremyh> Hey everyone.  I'm trying to set up an echoaudio mia soundcard in ubuntu hoary.  I noticed that the alsa-driver-1.0.8 package - which contains the driver I need - was uploaded last night.  Does this mean that it will soon show up as a binary package as well?
[11:14] <PWM> cafuego, just out of curiosity, what window manager do you use? :)
[11:15] <cafuego> PWM: I run the default Gnome at the moment. When I don't, I use /dev/console.
[11:15] <PWM> ok :)
[11:15] <paulproteus> jeremyh: The drivers themselves come with kernel images.
[11:15] <cafuego> (and even in gnome I run 1 or 2 xterms with screen, normally.
[11:16] <timo_> How do i open a fileserver on apache2
[11:16] <jeremyh> paulproteus, OK, so should I wait for a new kernel image to be released, then?  What is in the alsa-driver package if not drivers?
[11:16] <cafuego> timo_: That question makes no sense.
[11:16] <timo_> why not?
[11:16] <cafuego> timo_: apache2 is a webserver.
[11:16] <paulproteus> timo_: Do you want to run a web server that serves files?
[11:16] <looksaus> I'm having trouble with the default hoary kernel
[11:16] <neighborlee> cafuego, speaking of flash..I hope f4l.sourceforge.net stays alive..I find it really kewl ;-))...
[11:16] <timo_> yes
[11:16] <looksaus> I have software raid on my desktop
[11:16] <cafuego> timo_: Do you want to upload to apache?
[11:16] <timo_> i want to share files
[11:16] <looksaus> and the initrd doesn't support that
[11:16] <looksaus> for a root partition
[11:16] <timo_> so people can download from my computer
[11:17] <vladster> yes, that is what I need, business card installers
[11:17] <tewmten> good evening
[11:17] <timo_> and also upload
[11:17] <paulproteus> Hmm, jeremyh, it is strange that the alsa-driver package gets uploaded.  I don't know why that is.
[11:17] <tewmten> I can't find rc.local, can anyone help me find it?
[11:17] <paulproteus> jeremyh: According to the kernel mailing list, the patch for ALSA 1.0.8 was setn tin January 14.
[11:17] <paulproteus> (Sorry about typos.)
[11:17] <davidwalters> Hi everyone, anyone using ppc warty?  my iBook G4 gets really hot when using ubuntu.  It's fine with OS X.
[11:17] <cafuego> timo_: Fopr upload you would need mod_dav or an ftp server. Downlaoding is easy, simply put your files under /var/www and make a web page there that links to them.
[11:17] <kudzubane> tewmten, lol
[11:18] <julio> which browser plugin is better, gxine or mplayer?
[11:18] <jeremyh> paulproteus, OK.  Thanks for the info.
[11:18] <timo_> ok cool thanks
[11:18] <tewmten> kudzubane: ? :)
[11:18] <LinuxJones> tewmten, there is none by default
[11:18] <paulproteus> tewmten: Google debian+rc.local
[11:18] <kudzubane> tewmten, cheatin' heart...
[11:18] <tewmten> hm
[11:18] <vladster> I may have to stick with the 2.4 kernel on the server, the last time I tried the 2.6 kernel cfisk did not work
[11:19] <bitfoo> anyone know why i can get music from xmms, but not xine or mplayer. get a "Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound." Obviously it has been initialized if xmms works :|
[11:19] <tewmten> got it, thanks
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: because xine and mplayer aren't using esd :)
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> mplayer -ao esd
[11:19] <bitfoo> nah same thing
[11:19] <cafuego> bitfoo: Possibly you need to tell them to use your sound server; alternatively, maybe only ONE app can access the sound device at the same time.
[11:20] <cafuego> bitfoo: lsof /dev/dsp
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> one app can only access it
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> however esd should work
[11:20] <bitfoo> that sounds like it
[11:20] <bitfoo> yeh esd is the only one accessing it
[11:20] <cafuego> as long as xmms uses esd too and not /dev/dsp directly
[11:21] <timo_> sudo su timo
[11:21] <cafuego> (and/or the alsa devices instead)
[11:21] <cafuego> Password:
[11:21] <timo_> lal
[11:21] <timo_> :)
[11:21] <bitfoo> lsof shows only esd, xmms uses esd, and get errors when try to -ao esd saying can't open initialize :O
[11:22] <bitfoo> so if A and B are true...C must be ...
[11:22] <bitfoo> ?
[11:22] <bitfoo> :D
[11:22] <cafuego> bar
[11:22] <bitfoo> ;[
[11:22] <s3m> ello
[11:22] <vladster> for home users, share level should be good enough I think
[11:22] <shushi2005> Would someone please help me set up my wireless card? I have a Dell Inspiron 4100 with a SpeedStream 1021 pcmcia wireless card.
[11:23] <cafuego> That is supposed to work with 16bit pcmcia and orinoco_cs
[11:24] <shushi2005> cafuego, that is a driver i need to install?
[11:24] <cafuego> shushi2005: Should be present already. Just make sure pcmcia-cs is running and insert the card.
[11:25] <shushi2005> caufuego, how do I start pcmcia_cs?
[11:25] <Stray_> hi, im despretly seeking help. anyone available?
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> /etc/init.d/pcmcia start
[11:25] <foxeye> hi
[11:26] <LinuxJones> hi foxeye
[11:26] <shushi2005> HrdwrBoB, k
[11:26] <s3m> Could some1 give me a clue why the setup of ubuntu always asks me to insert the cd, while the cd is in the drive?
[11:26] <foxeye> i have a question for unbuntu. Where can i find php5 packages for unbuntu?
[11:26] <Maksas> could anyone give me a link where is steb-by-steb explained how to compile new kernel?
[11:26] <paulproteus> Maksas: Google for newbiedoc kernel
[11:26] <shushi2005> How do I make pcmcia services start at startup?
[11:26] <cafuego> foxeye: You can homebake experimental ones.
[11:26] <Grev> Stray_: what is up
[11:26] <paulproteus> First link, Maksas.
[11:26] <cafuego> shushi2005: They should already do so.
[11:27] <cafuego> foxeye: deb-src http://people.debian.org/~dexter php5 sid
[11:27] <cafuego> foxeye: apt-get -b source php5 - your mileage may vary.
[11:27] <Stray_> long and short of the problem is my network adaptor seems to be there, but i cant ping my router, or connect.
[11:27] <foxeye> thank you cafuego
[11:27] <Stray_> my hdwaddr seems to be fixed on 00:00:00:00:00:00
[11:27] <cafuego> shushi2005: does 'iwconfig' lost a card with wireless extensions now?
[11:27] <cafuego> s/lost/list/
[11:27] <dude> i can't get my external soundcard to work, when i boot up i get a modprobe error say failure to insert snd_usb_audio.ko, can anyone help me?
[11:28] <Grev> Stray_: what type of card
[11:28] <Sav> Anyone wanna help me get FTP sites added in BlueFish so i can edit directly against the server-
[11:28] <Stray_> realtek
[11:28] <cafuego> foxeye: it takes forever to build and the postinst scripts are broken.
[11:28] <shushi2005> cafuego, ah, they do. the card doesn't show up in lspci
[11:28] <cafuego> shushi2005: yes, 16bit pcmcia is NOT pci :-)
[11:29] <timo_> What HTML file do i edit for my apache server?(to place downloads etc)
[11:29] <cafuego> timo_: initially, /var/www/index.html
[11:29] <timo_> dont have that one
[11:29] <shushi2005> cafuego, good call, if I run iwconfig it says "no wireless extensions" for eth0 lo and sit0
[11:29] <cafuego> timo_: what is there then?
[11:29] <timo_> im new to linux so dont know how to create files etc
[11:29] <timo_> well ill show u
[11:29] <Grev> Stray_: is the realtek module loaded
[11:29] <timo_> in /var/www/ there are 2 folders
[11:29] <timo_> apache2-default
[11:29] <Stray_> Grev, how do i find that out?
[11:29] <timo_> and docbook-dsssl
[11:29] <cafuego> is there oen called apache2-default?
[11:30] <timo_> yes
[11:30] <Grev> Stray_: lsmod
[11:30] <timo_> in there
[11:30] <cafuego> yeah, put the index.html in there
[11:30] <foxeye> it's more interesting to install php 5 sources I imagine
[11:30] <timo_> there are like 30 HTML files
[11:30] <timo_> al in different languages
[11:30] <timo_> i want just 1 language
[11:30] <timo_> als i dont know how to delete files
[11:30] <Stray_> Grev, yes
[11:30] <timo_> als = and
[11:30] <cafuego> timo_: You need to go and get yourself a linux or debian for beginners book.
[11:31] <s3m> Could some1 give me a clue why the setup of ubuntu always asks me to insert the cd, while the cd is in the drive?
[11:31] <cafuego> timo_: You're going to end up with a box full of security holes otherwise.
[11:31] <Grev> Stray_: is it wireless?
[11:31] <Stray_> nup
[11:31] <timo_> doesnt matter to me
[11:31] <timo_> just trying
[11:31] <Stray_> just standard network card
[11:31] <timo_> nothing needs to be safe
[11:32] <Grev> Stray_: have you look at ubuntu forums?
[11:32] <vladster> now for the reboot
[11:32] <timo_> but how do i delete all files and set my main html to a file?
[11:32] <Stray_> not yet, but i have been googleing for hours.
[11:32] <cafuego> timo_: rm *; $EDITOR index.html
[11:32] <timo_> rm?
[11:33] <vladster> I got a cute little 9" monitor for the server as well brand now in the box for 5 bucks at a hamfest
[11:33] <swim> hay folks you know when gnome starts and it shows the splash, is there a way to change the color of the screen behind the splash?
[11:34] <vladster> Now all I need is a mini keyboard to hang on it
[11:35] <cafuego> swim: I can probably call xsetroot during or before that splash yeah
[11:35] <cafuego> s/I/You/
[11:35] <neighborlee> hey guys something weird..I need libsdl1.2-dev for something im compiling..but to install ..synaptic says it needs for startes gcc-3.2 ( I have gcc3.3.4 installed though) ?? plus libstdc++5-dev ?..mainly why on earth is it demanding to install another version of gcc ?LOL
[11:35] <Peter> sudo: unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname()
[11:35] <cafuego> Peter: Did you edit /etc/hosts?
[11:36] <Peter> no?
[11:36] <swim> cafuego, what would that do?
[11:36] <cafuego> Does /etc/hosts have an entry called 'ubuntu' ?
[11:36] <cafuego> swim: You can make xsetroot repalce the default X background
[11:37] <swim> cafuego, how?
[11:37] <Peter> it says '127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost ubuntu'
[11:37] <cafuego> Peter: Odd. Does 'ifconfig' list the 'lo' interface?
[11:37] <Peter> yes
[11:37] <cafuego> swim: now *that* is the million dollar question.
[11:37] <swim> ah hmm
[11:37] <Stray_> there is nothing on there about invalid mac addresses. does anyone know how i can set defaults for mac addresses, instead of showing 00:00:00:00:00:00
[11:38] <Stray_> ?
[11:39] <swim> cafuego, ah got it :) xsetroot -solid brown for example
[11:39] <swim> though that seems like it would change the color of xterm baground
[11:40] <bitfoo> hey bobos, want to help me :D
[11:40] <Peter> how do you know if you've started a chroot shell?
[11:40] <bitfoo> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=57609&postcount=4
[11:40] <bitfoo> is my prob :D
[11:40] <swim> I dont think that the background Im talking about is the same thing, since its already brown
[11:41] <Peter> cafuego: any idea?
[11:41] <timo_> Cafuego, i removed all the indexes, but it still opens the same page if i visit my IP
[11:41] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: ahar something is broken
[11:41] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: let me investigate
[11:41] <bitfoo> :)
[11:42] <cafuego> Peter: ls / - see what it says.
[11:42] <bitfoo> HrdwrBoB, the command i did in the post below that is how i fixed xmms :O
[11:42] <bzbb> how do I install ssh?
[11:42] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install ssh
[11:42] <timo_> I removed all the index.html files, but still it opens the same page, how do i change which file gets openend?
[11:42] <xxor> why are people interested in ubuntu , its just a debian wannabe =\
[11:42] <bzbb> hah
[11:43] <swim> beter hardware detection
[11:43] <bzbb> not sshd
[11:43] <Stray_> so can no one help with mac address problems?
[11:43] <vladster> Because they don't understand the fine points of tuning configuration files
[11:43] <stig_> hi guys
[11:43] <Peter> cafuego: what about the unable to lookup error?
[11:43] <stig_> can anyone help me with some complier problems?
[11:44] <tritium> xxor, try it, and you'll find out
[11:44] <timo_> Who knows how to set the apache index file?
[11:44] <bitfoo> try the livecd :/
[11:44] <xxor> Tritium: I have .. it's lame++
[11:44] <tritium> xxor, just feel like trolling today?
[11:44] <swim> xxor, why do you think its lame?
[11:44] <bitfoo> why
[11:44] <Gusto_> can anyone help me with ident?
[11:44] <stig_> when doing a make i am getting this: make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[11:44] <neighborlee> xxor, better hardware detect..non anal install and targeted to be 'easy to use' out of the box for most things..and usually non-RTFM community meaning we're usually nicer
[11:44] <LinuxJones> timo_, you might have better luck asking in #apache
[11:44] <xxor> Tritium: just did a channel listing .. saw there were more than 300 people in here .. and wondered "WHY"
[11:44] <timo_> ohw lol ok
[11:44] <neighborlee> xxor, imo of course ;-)
[11:45] <timo_> tx
[11:45] <neighborlee> xxor, oh and we have udev and project utopia and gnome2.8 <G>...that about wraps it up LOL
[11:45] <LinuxJones> timo_, they are sure to know :D
[11:45] <cafuego> Peter: Dunno, I've exhausted my options
[11:45] <tritium> xxor, so when does Sarge release?  Is there a Sarge LiveCD?  how's X.org in Sarge?
[11:45] <xxor> neighborlee: its not 100% functional .. gnome 2.8 I mean , I remember alot of bugs when I ran it the first time
[11:45] <swim> no xorg in sarge is there?
[11:46] <vladster> still uses xfree86
[11:46] <tritium> exactly
[11:46] <neighborlee> xxor, shrug i've encountered zero show stoppers
[11:46] <xxor> Tritium: so why do you prefer x.org over xfree86 ?
[11:46] <swim> xxor, no longer, im runing gnome 2.9 and its smooth
[11:46] <cafuego> xxor: It's not so much a debian wannabee, as a debian for desktop users. Most of the developers are the same.
[11:46] <sjoerd> dudes, don't feed the trollss
[11:46] <neighborlee> xxor, the typical issue with gnome panel being a little weird after first reboot...none beyond that
[11:46] <Gusto_> I cant seem to get pidentd or oidentd to work under ubuntu. it worked fine under slack and fedora. anyone know why?
[11:46] <Stray_> "PING ROUTER"
[11:46] <bitfoo> whats project utopia
[11:46] <tritium> xxor, live CD?
[11:47] <Stray_> "connect: network is unreachable"
[11:47] <xxor> tritium: when I need a live cd .. I use a dist that was designed to be used as a live CD , not a hack
[11:47] <timo_> Need help on apache2
[11:47] <vladster> now after this comes the fun part, configuring nfs and samba
[11:47] <timo_> hw do i set the index.html on apache2
[11:47] <timo_> ?
[11:47] <cafuego> xxor: I can't speak for tritium, but I prefer Xorg, coz it supports DRI on the Radeon U1 in my laptop
[11:47] <mjr> bitfoo, it's that udev/dbus/hal+other stuff thingy that manages hardware automagically
[11:48] <bitfoo> ahh
[11:48] <bitfoo> i thought it was an awesome game :|
[11:48] <cafuego> xxor: .. where xfree86 doesn't.
[11:48] <swim> heres a good difference between ubuntu and debian,  the support... ive never ever been able to get courteous assistance from a debina irc channel...
[11:48] <tritium> xxor, I prefer ubuntu because it has better power management support for my laptop
[11:48] <cafuego> xxor: besides, as soona s Sarge reelases *you* will undoubtedly be running Xorg on Etch.
[11:48] <Quest-Master> I fully agree with swim
[11:48] <Quest-Master> :)
[11:48] <Stray_> yay to uninterested support chans XD
[11:48] <bitfoo> ?
[11:48] <bitfoo> :X
[11:48] <Stray_> *sigh*
[11:49] <bitfoo> :|
[11:49] <tritium> and there are no zealots telling me not to use nvidia drivers
[11:49] <cafuego> Stray_: My normal rates are $165/hr. What do you need help with?
[11:49] <Stray_> heh,
[11:49] <cafuego> tritium: don't use nvidia drivers!!!
[11:49] <Stray_> cafuego should be working for m$
[11:49] <tritium> :)
[11:50] <cafuego> Stray_: $165 isn't enough to deal with windows
[11:50] <stig_> can anyone help with compiler prob's at all?
[11:50] <swim> honestly I think that the debian irc channel has allways been the only thing keeping me from using debian
[11:50] <shock> actually there are several good reasons for ubuntu over plain-debian. Support and community one of them. The guy sponsoring it and the fact that so many gnome-core-developers are working there something else
[11:50] <cafuego> stig_: Compiler probs or compile probs?
[11:50] <Stray_> anyway yeh, to whoever refered me to the forums, i can assure you my problem isnt there.
[11:50] <shock> and the goals and focus ubuntu has is not as server-tainted as debian
[11:51] <Stray_> fs, on windows the soloution would be so straight forward.
[11:51] <cafuego> swim: Are you implying I'm meaner on #debian then here?
[11:51] <Stray_> and mandrake had NO problems running my network card :(
[11:51] <cafuego> Stray_: Is it a realtek?
[11:51] <stig_> cafuego: compile prob's sorry
[11:51] <swim> cafuego, yes! yes I am! it's your falt completley! ;P
[11:51] <Stray_> tis
 so can no one help with mac address problems? ... erm....
[11:51] <cafuego> Stray_: You *know* what the solution is, right?
[11:51] <shock> can u tell me again in detail what the problem is?
[11:52] <Stray_> im guessing.. ive been messing around with this for hours.
[11:52] <cafuego> Replace the poo with a real nic.
[11:52] <Stray_> google cant help me :(
[11:52] <Agrajag> cafuego: I have an RTL8139 and it works perfectly.
[11:52] <cafuego> Stray_: Which driver you using for it?
[11:52] <stig_> cafuego: I'm getting this when running make: make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[11:52] <cafuego> stig_: Well.
[11:52] <cafuego> stig_: Which aprt of that is unclear?
[11:52] <Stray_> 8139too 8139cp
[11:53] <Agrajag> rmmod 8139cp
[11:53] <cafuego> Stray_: Same problem with both?
[11:53] <stig_> cafuego: sorry, i'm new to this - as far as i know the makefile is there
[11:53] <Stray_> am running both
[11:53] <cafuego> stig_: Does 'ls' list a 'makefile' or 'Makefile' ?
[11:53] <Agrajag> then do "ifconfig eth0 up"
[11:53] <Agrajag> see what happens there
[11:53] <cafuego> Stray_: No, one OR the other
[11:53] <stig_> cafuego: there is a Makefile.am and a Makefile.in
[11:53] <cafuego> Stray_: It will ONLY be using the one that loaded first.
[11:53] <Agrajag> 8139too is most likely the one you want
[11:53] <Stray_> ok
[11:54] <Stray_> so how do i stop both loading up?
[11:54] <cafuego> stig_: You SURE you want to compile and install that sofware?
[11:54] <Peter> why isnt apt-get installing the required dependencies files?
[11:54] <cafuego> Stray_: Check /etc/modules
[11:54] <stig_> cafuego: Why?
[11:54] <neighborlee> hey guys something weird..I need libsdl1.2-dev for something im compiling..but to install ..synaptic says it needs for startes gcc-3.2 ( I have gcc3.3.4 installed though) ?? plus libstdc++5-dev ?..mainly why on earth is it demanding to install another version of gcc ?..why oh why me dear lord
[11:54] <cafuego> stig_: Because you have a dev source tree, not a production one.
[11:55] <cafuego> stig_: What software is it, btw?
[11:55] <Stray_> i cant see any refrence to nic drivers in modules
[11:55] <stig_> cafuego: sorry??! its airsnort
[11:55] <cafuego> stig_: Why don't you just apt-get install airsnort ?
[11:55] <LinuxJones> neighborlee, it's ok to have more than 1 version of gcc installed
[11:55] <stig_> cafuego: i've tried but it isn't on the reposiory
[11:55] <cafuego> stig_: Do you have 'universe' in there?
[11:56] <flodin> how can i enable scim in the input methods list of gnome apps?
[11:56] <swim> anyone remember where to set terminal backround transparency? I want to turn my transparency off :\
[11:56] <stig_> cafuego: i have the ones detailed on http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#extrarepositories
[11:56] <Bader> swim: it depends on the terminal, *term or gnome-terminal ?
[11:57] <rellik> can anyone here tell me the difference between 'standby' 'suspend' and 'off' when setting dpms using 'xset'?  all three settings seem to just turn my moitors off
[11:57] <cafuego> stig_: Ok. Do the following. Add 'deb-src http://http.us.debian.org sarge main' to your sources.list. Run 'apt-get update; apt-get -b install airsnort'.
[11:57] <neighborlee> LinuxJones, yeah I know but to force install of an extra one to me seems a bit wonkie and unnecesssary...doesn't fit with the minimalistic approach <G>
[11:57] <cafuego> stig_: Ok. Do the following. Add 'deb-src http://http.us.debian.org sarge main' to your sources.list. Run 'apt-get update; apt-get -b source airsnort'.
[11:57] <swim> Bader, gnome terminal
[11:57] <cafuego> stig_: That will create you a nice debian-compliant airsnort without fussing about depends AND without fucking up your package syste,/
[11:57] <bitfoo> i wish my wireless card wasn't the gay :|
[11:58] <LinuxJones> neighborlee, true but it's listed as a dependency and since it's not installed already it's going to be :D
[11:58] <bitfoo> or at least intel would add promiscuous mode :|
[11:58] <cafuego> bitfoo: is is trying to have sex with same gender wireless cards?
[11:58] <bitfoo> that would be nice
[11:58] <HaRDaWaY> hi
[11:58] <bitfoo> no that would mean its just gay
[11:58] <bitfoo> my wireless card is THE gay
[11:58] <bitfoo> :P
[11:58] <cafuego> bitfoo: I don't follow
[11:58] <bitfoo> its a linguistical thing :|
[11:59] <cafuego> Maybe I'm too old to understand
[11:59] <Stray_> :(
[11:59] <bitfoo> perhaps
[11:59] <shock> lol
[11:59] <bitfoo> i have been known as a cunning linguist though :/
[11:59] <neighborlee> LinuxJones, shurug yeah I know ;(bites but...
[11:59] <cafuego> Seems to be you may as well say your card is THE nigger
[11:59] <Stray_> so i remain clueless as to why i cant connect to my router.
[11:59] <Stray_> *sigh*
[11:59] <cafuego> equally offensive
[11:59] <bitfoo> yeh that would work too :|
[11:59] <Gusto_> so what identd are you using?
[11:59] <bitfoo> THE drives the point harder
[11:59] <bitfoo> than just a
[11:59] <bitfoo> :\