[12:00] jdub: ping [12:06] wow, the extra seed is very small === ogra [~ogra@p508EB31C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] daniels: ing [12:08] ping [12:08] mdz: err 5943 [12:08] hmm, not even moving it to S26 (after rtc is loaded) helps.... [12:08] amu: yes [12:08] build-essential is huge [12:09] mdz: thx [12:09] amu: he can try booting with a larger ramdisk_size [12:09] probably we should increase the default even [12:10] gah evo is broken again.... [12:11] lifeless: pong [12:12] jdub: you mentioned a new imap implementation for evo. It looks like it doesn't support the external-command facility that I use to access my email.. and that the older imap code has been removed from evo. === ogra kicks evolution with a long hard stick [12:12] jdub: so I'm rather fucked on email :[ [12:12] mdz: i think less it's better, i'll work a little with the live tomorrow and watch the ramuseage very carefull [12:12] erm === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] i don't think that's true [12:13] latest evo in hoary? [12:13] elmo: ping [12:13] yes [12:13] theres only one Imap type now [12:13] and it has the description the new code had when I glanced at it @ your house the other week [12:13] 'IMAPv4rev1' [12:14] lifeless: yes, you need to reconfigure your imap settings [12:14] ogra: I noticed recently that there is a UniverseCandidates page with packages that people would like to see added to universe [12:14] lifeless: I think you should come back to previous version if you don't want to fight with evolution === carlos has a list of bugs to file [12:14] mdz: i'll link to it from the MOTU page [12:15] the "reply to list" is not working anymore [12:15] gah [12:15] the CC field is erased while you write the email [12:15] jbailey: there is already one NFS server howto in the wiki; it would be better to improve that one [12:15] on amddd64 its segfaulting totally [12:15] evo that is.... [12:16] and some others [12:16] carlos: the options to reconfigure *are missing*. [12:16] mdz: Ah? Okay. I thought I search for it. Will combine the two. [12:16] lifeless: really? [12:16] didn't saw it [12:16] let me check [12:16] carlos: really. I use ssh tunneled iMAP. [12:16] jdub: ? [12:16] lifeless: The latest evo sucks rocks in a few different ways. You might be better to pin the old one. [12:17] lifeless: right, that option is not there anymore [12:17] jdub: what's up with gnome-app-installer [12:17] jbailey: yeah, sounds like. now to figure out how to get it back easily :[ [12:17] lifeless: Your apt cache? [12:17] elmo: could you check what's up with that second include on planet ubuntu? [12:17] lifeless: dpkg -i /var/cache/... of evo && dependencies, not too easy but should work [12:17] jbailey: perhaps ;| [12:18] jdub: there is no entropy.inc ? [12:18] mdz: getting some fixes from ross, and i've pretty much got the .desktop sucker going [12:18] did you want me to run planet for config/entropy too? [12:18] I tried but it spasssed out hideously [12:18] :-) [12:18] yes, thanks [12:19] it would have spewed the same way the others did :) [12:19] jdub: are the HUGE FONTS GOING TO STAY? [12:19] jdub: is sodipodi (universe) just there as a test case? [12:19] jdub: nah, it was much worse before, but you're right, it's just doing that now [12:20] carlos: so, is the ssh option going to come back? or should I file a bug to prod that [12:21] jdub: now it's just empty? [12:21] lifeless: no idea, but I think you should file a bug about it, don't think it depends on imapv4, seems like they forgot to implement it [12:21] ubuntu.com or upstream ? [12:22] mdz: i added the link, but UniverseCandidates content is not really convincing.... [12:23] lifeless: ask seb128 about it, don't know how that is handled in Ubuntu/GNOME, I suppose you could file a bug in bugzilla.ximian.com and send the link to seb so you save time for him [12:23] seb128: ^^^^^ [12:23] mdz: yes and yes. :) [12:23] elmo: yeah, ok [12:25] carlos, lifeless: what's the issue ? [12:25] seb128: evolution bugs not related to Ubuntu packages [12:25] seb128: ssh tunnel support (external connection commands) for imap is gone in the latst evo. [12:25] jdub: dude, new gamin require, I'm not sure (not rebooted yet), but apparently the current one doesn't handle inotify 0.18 [12:25] seb128: should I file a bug, and if so in bug..u.c or upstream ? [12:26] seb128: should be filed directly at bugzilla.ximian.com or to ubuntu's bugzilla and you will care about them? [12:26] lifeless: better to go upstream [12:26] seb128: yeah, i know; fabbione uploaded while i was asleep :-) [12:26] seb128: doing it first priority this morning [12:26] jdub: ah ah [12:26] jdub: you sleep too much dude :p [12:26] seb128: do you know their plans about the ssh support ? [12:26] all a matter of timezone perspective. ;) [12:26] no idea [12:29] dear thom, ROCK!, love jdub [12:29] oh great. [12:29] firefox user ? :) [12:30] to login to bug.x.com, I need them to email the password to me. [12:30] guess what I can't use right now ?! [12:30] lifeless: your legs? you can't walk to the phone! NOOOOO! [12:30] ') === sm giggles [12:31] iz biological bug === ogra has evo working again..... === ogra hugs the morgue [12:39] what was the issue ? [12:39] jdub: tomboy has arrived! [12:39] jdub: let me upload the goods for you. [12:40] seb128: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5870 [12:41] oh, it was assigned to nobody [12:42] jdub: they changed my state of packaging machine :p " seb128: has 548 bugs closed already this month; he's a bug closing machine" [12:42] yeah [12:43] they are absolutely right :) [12:43] jdub: http://getsweaaa.com/~tseng/tomboy/ [12:44] tseng: working on other stuff just atm, but will load up the page for a bit later :) [12:44] jdub: wonderful, ta === lexhider [~lexhider@dip-220-235-87-162.vic.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] jdub: when you get to that, refresh it if you dont mind.. i have a few ?s as well. === tritium [~tritium@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] sladen: hi [01:09] sladen: around? [01:11] carlos: vagely === bluefoxicy [~bluefox@pcp485126pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] huh? [01:16] one of the goals of hoary (opportunistic low-prio) is NX? [01:17] I thought there weren't going to be added security features in Hoary (PaX[NX + ASLR] , GrSec hardened kernels, SSP, PIE, etc)? Is this a different definition of NX? === Arrogance [~aks@CPE0050ba556e4b-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:21] I like the hoary goals I think. . . === mxpxpod [~bryan@208.252.112.24] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] bluefoxicy: look at where that goal is listed [01:24] its pretty low on the list iirc [01:25] and goals are goals, not hard requirements [01:28] bluefoxicy: http://www.nomachine.com/ [01:28] bluefoxicy: that NX [01:30] bluefoxicy: it's a great NX, too [01:30] however Mithrandir said he was wanting to rewrite the freenx server [01:30] tseng: I know [01:30] I'm just curious === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] ahh [01:31] mdz, ajmitch: Ok, that's not what I was thinking of then. [01:31] yeah :) [01:31] the other NX will take a bit of work with PaX & all [01:32] I'm still a bit taken back that simple things like grsecurity linking restrictions (which are supposed to dead-stop the tmpfile races in USN 3-1, 5-1, 6-1, 4-1, 13-1, 15-1, 16-1, 24-1, 43-1, 49-1, 51-1) aren't going in, but eh. pitti said (Hoary+1) so :) [01:33] bluefoxicy: i wish you would quit trolling people with your pumped up statistics [01:33] mdz: pong [01:33] bluefoxicy: esp. on lkml [01:33] tseng: I don't pump anything up, and I'm not trolling, just feeling around. [01:33] daniels: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~cjwatson/germinate-hoary-output/extra.seed [01:34] daniels: looks like a bunch of lrm stuff is not seeded === farruinn [~nathan@syr-69-201-15-107.twcny.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [~anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] tseng: I have nothing better to do anyway [01:35] mdz: ok, will take care of it along the same lines as the old lrm stuff was [01:35] tseng: http://rafb.net/paste/results/tZ5Jp878.html Aside from fool around with my kernel === thully [~thully@pm482-14.dialip.mich.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] Just installed from the latest daily build - Hoary sure has improved, and the clock issue seems resolved [01:38] However, I have a few questions about the default behavior in the installer [01:38] First of all, it seems a little strange that we ask 2 questions in stage 2 - could these be eliminated? [01:39] thully: thats being worked on. [01:39] can't quite get ppc livecd to boot using qemu-system-ppc on i686 (invalid opcode) [01:39] tritium: works for me on a real ppc [01:39] Also, I like how networking was handled on the live CD, but not on the install CD - any chance the install CD debian-installer could be changed? [01:40] mdz, using qemu? [01:40] thully: he qualified "real" [01:40] tritium: no, on an actual powerpc machine [01:40] tseng - ? [01:41] tritium: so probably it is a bug in qemu [01:41] mdz, I'm sure. Yeah, I tried the live CD earlier. I reported that bug for daniels re: screen resolution [01:41] I was using G3 earlier [01:42] ah, right [01:43] I really liked how the network detection picked up wi-fi without asking me - after booting I was on the wireless network! (only one other live distro has done that for me - Kanotix) [01:43] Any chance this no-question network configuration could also be done in the install CD? === HrdwrBoB [~matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:45] tritium: works for me on a real ppc mdz, using qemu? === bluefoxicy snickers [01:45] bluefoxicy: no need for that [01:46] mdz: I think he probably missed "real," but the exchange is funny [01:46] bluefoxicy, well, of course it works when not using qemu ;) [01:47] is the loopback interface appearing as a network interface in the system tray a known bug? If not, i'll report it [01:48] daniels: can I ask you about bug 5917. [01:48] seb128: rebooting to test new inotify and gamin :) [01:48] jdub: rock :) [01:51] lexhider: sure [01:53] you said it may be monitor hardware bug, I've been using this monitor with linux for 3 years with no problems. Is it still possible that this is the problem? === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea1-4-10-181-189.sea1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === usual [~colin@alb-69-204-175-222.nycap.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] lexhider: i suppose ... it certainly seems very, very strange [01:55] seb128: ah, crap. :) [01:55] lexhider, what architecture are you using? [01:55] jdub: doesn't work ? :( [01:55] that bug is similar to my bug today (5490) in PPC for the LiveCD [01:55] 5940, that is [01:55] seb128: got gam_server processes running, dying, running, dying, six at one time... [01:56] ;-) [01:56] utch [01:56] i386 [01:56] adm === miqer [~griap@user-12lcfef.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] when you say "hardware bug", do you mean a problem with this specific monitor or do you mean a problem with this particular monitor model [viewsonic e70 by the way] ? [02:00] wtf === bluefoxicy sigh. [02:01] bluefoxicy: i mean, for whatever reason, when it first boots, the monitor is totally unresponsive to probes for its sync ranges and resolutions. i do not know how widespread this is; you'll have to forgive me for not being a connisseur of viewsonic monitosrs. [02:01] lexhider, I think you should add HorizSync and VertRefresh to your xorg.conf. Your monitor probably doens't report edid [02:01] daniels: uh? [02:02] doesn't, that is [02:02] tritium: it does, just not all the time [02:02] okay [02:03] 1) I haven't been able to reboot to test if it happens with monitor off because I'm on dialup and it doesn't happen every reboot. [02:03] I had no problems with warty with same monitor if that is relevant. === stub [~stub@dsl-246.248.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:05] I was just thinking about a few things, and I was wondering - how was the decision made on what to include on the Hoary live CD [02:09] the livecd, atm, is the default desktop install [02:10] why can't everything on the install CD be included? [02:10] well, that's basically what the desktop install is [02:10] the install cd happens to contain the ship seed [02:10] lexhider: yeah, warty does things a bit different [02:10] the live cd is desktop seed + live seed (which we might not be using yet) [02:11] the install cd is desktop seed + ship seed (which is not installed by default) [02:11] yes - but there is more on the install CD that isn't installed by default [02:11] that's the ship seed [02:12] some of it is just inappropriate [02:13] daniels: I'll try some rebooting and other things and be back later. [02:14] OK - i just wondered because I use some of the stuff not installed by default and it would be nice to have in an emergency (using the live cd) [02:14] if they make sense, we can put them in live seed === abelli_ [~abelli@adsl-84-222-39-4.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:15] they probably don't - I was talking about thunderbird, compilers, and kernel headers specifically - don't know how much space these would take up compressed on the live cd, though [02:19] we could very well end up adding build-essential to the live CD, it's not clear yet [02:19] if you have real use cases to contribute, that helps [02:21] when you have to use your winmodem in an emergency - keep the files on a floppy or usb key and build them [02:22] on the other hand, in the case of an emergency, be prepared (have them pre-built) [02:23] what if you're on another machine you don't usually use? === jdub thinks build-essential on the livecd would be cool [02:23] also, compilers could be useful for building anything special needed for recovery not in Ubuntu, and for computer science classes :) [02:24] thunderbird - well, I prefer thunderbird over evolution and that's the first thing I install after installing Ubuntu :) [02:24] each user has their own needs, though - mine would be tetex === JanC [JanC@dD576201C.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] someone should keep an ordered list of package requests for the live CD and add these on a space-permitting basis [02:28] may be a good idea for install CD, also (adding additional packages based on what people want on a space-available basis) === dholbach [~dholbach@td9091b46.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:30] re [02:30] wb. [02:31] hi [02:31] hai tseng :-) [02:31] wow, this place is really crowded :-) [02:32] yeah, it's getting busier [02:32] I heard ogra lured you to apply to be a MOTU? [02:33] ajmitch: he didnt have much to do to lure me :-) [02:33] :) === jdodson [~jdodson@63-230-173-38.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:34] hey daniels you around? [02:34] dholbach: planning to maintain a certain set of packages? [02:34] jdodson: sup [02:35] daniels: nada, well i checked out the tickets like you mentioned, found a cheaper one for 1,200 usd. [02:35] ajmitch: i'd love to be helping out at whatever part there's a need [02:36] jdodson: nice one [02:36] daniels: yeah, thanks for the heads up. [02:36] any time :) [02:36] daniels: i think its obvious my wife usually does the trip arrangements:) [02:37] ah well, worked out for the best anyway [02:38] ajmitch: but a first thing i really wanted to do was packaging more recent c++ stuff and cleaning stuff up together with debian people (like libg*mm-packages) [02:38] daniels: agreed. === sladen [paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:43] dholbach: we'll just have to ensure that packaging quality is kept at a high level [02:43] for all the universe packages that are touched [02:43] ajmitch: of course [02:44] yes [02:44] dholbach: rock, *mm action :) [02:44] yes, apparantly people still use c++ these days :) [02:45] lamont: Kamion answered your pcmcia-cs question in Bugzilla already (#5730) [02:45] jdub: we'll have to knock some comprehension into some debian people, but *mm absolutely rocks ;-) [02:46] how bad is the situation in debian? [02:46] shouldn't we have some part of hoary-seeds cachrevved or wahtever? [02:46] it's taking like a hojillion years to get it [02:47] ajmitch: i wrote some bug reports with tested and compiled new upstream versions on my box, but there was no measureable reaction === usual [~colin@alb-69-204-175-222.nycap.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:48] ajmitch: the situation could be worse, since most developers tend to compile their own libg*mm packages, but that's not how i'd want it to be [02:48] if there are packages around, nobody should have to compile their own [02:49] are they badly packaged, or just out of date? [02:49] ajmitch: the latter [02:49] not so bad then [02:49] damn, i'll have to get up in 4 hours [02:49] heh [02:50] I'll be gone for the weekend, luckily [02:50] and i shouldnt have been drinking that much [02:50] ................. :-) [02:50] hm [02:50] and I've recently been offered a part-time job, so I'll most likely be able to get to .au in april/may :) [02:50] ajmitch: lucky you *congrats!* [02:50] mdz: afaict all my unseeded stuff just belongs in supported -- do you disagree with that assessment? [03:03] boggle, we don't support libapache2-svn? meh [03:07] alright... sleep tight everyone - i'm off to bed :-) [03:07] night [03:08] night ajmitch === dholbach [~dholbach@td9091b46.pool.terralink.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:15] daniels: I suppose [03:15] daniels: xfree86? [03:15] daniels: isn't fglrx-control the awful config program? [03:16] mdz: i'm much happier not needing to support xfree86* :) [03:16] mdz: well, yeah, xfree86-driver-fglrx would need to be in universe, given that it depends xfree86, which is in universe [03:16] mdz: yah, it's some qt horror [03:17] daniels: those do not sound like they belong in supported [03:17] nothing with 'xfree86' or 'horror' in it, I'd say [03:17] "horror" and "supported" are not compatible [03:19] so what do I do to get germinate to stfu about them? [03:24] uploading dnotify-only gamin due to current inotify support being b0rk. [03:30] =/ [03:33] yeah [03:34] it'll sort out in the next few days though [03:34] meanwhile [03:34] BEAGLE [03:34] very nearly in hoary :) [03:34] great [03:34] universe? [03:35] yeah [03:35] tonight or tomorrow [03:35] sweet [03:35] might give me an excuse to put hoary on the laptop [03:35] 'might'? :) [03:35] I've been tempted [03:36] it has sid currently [03:38] jdub, what kind of dependencies does it have? lots of mono packages? [03:38] tritium: yes [03:40] hopefully not too much that's mono-specific [03:40] it's way mono [03:40] the protocols don't require you to write stuff in mono [03:40] but the whole infrastructure of beagle is way mono [03:40] as in, I hope i can get it working on pnet [03:40] rather than just mono :) [03:41] ew. [03:41] we still need evo-sharp [03:41] and gsf-sharp, whatever that is [03:41] tseng: there are non-required depends [03:41] those two are the most important [03:41] well, it wouldnt make sense to send it out w/o evo support [03:41] beagle can also use wv (wordview, not wvstreams) 1.0, but can't use 2 [03:41] tseng: yes, see log from last night :) [03:42] the demo I saw of beagle was impressive. made me think twice about it [03:42] we have the *required* depends, but not the crucial optional depends. whiprush and some of the arslinux crew were going to work on those. [03:42] tritium: you had to think twice? [03:43] this thunderbird one appears to not work. [03:43] jdub, well, about installing the mono stuff just for beagle [03:47] morning all === lamont wonders why his sound quit working [03:48] I didn't even upgrade this time. :-) === schweeb [~chris@schweeb.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont makes an early night of it, wondering if he's coming down with something or something. [03:54] tritium: 'just' for beagle is far more convincing than 'just' for tomboy, muine, etc. [03:54] tritium: beagle really does change how you use your computer [03:54] night lamont [03:54] jdub, after seeing it's capabilities in the demo, I'll agree [03:55] with that statement [03:55] It'd be neat if you could put a field in your panel ala the contact search one and shortcut right into it. [03:55] whiprush: ah, see auric notes on the gnome wiki [03:55] whiprush: also F12 kicks best and focuses the search entry :) [03:55] yeah that's what I was alluding to. [03:56] yeah, it's a killer combo with f11 for tomboy. [03:57] jdub: did you see that inotify has made it's way into Morton's kernel? [03:57] yeah :) [03:57] rocking! [03:58] jdub: are the inotify extensions still hot to the tuch or are they pretty steadyfast? [03:59] inotify itself works nicely [03:59] beagle uses inotify directly [04:00] gamin uses inotify, but the support for 0.18 is b0rk === bradb [~bradb@p188.h-yulrz01.stsn.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:03] so gamin is a stipped down userspace fam that is another consumer of inotify? [04:03] pretty much, yeah :) === robertj puts on his hat and pulls out his corn cob pipe [04:03] though s/userspace/run-by-user/ [04:04] it is binary compatible with the useful bits of fam, too [04:04] so you don't need to change software to work with it [04:04] is the idea to transition beagle over to gamin? [04:04] instead of playing directly with inotify [04:06] no [04:06] beagle is very demanding in its use of inotify [04:06] heh, compile it with the mozilla backend, and it's very demanding with your memory too [04:07] beagle definitely has memory problems atm :) [04:07] so where does gamin fit into beagle, nowhere? [04:07] robertj: nowhere [04:07] so gamin is just like a "eh, well we might as well package it, something might need it" [04:08] nautilus uses gamin for file notifications [04:08] ahh [04:08] no, gamin replaces fam, which is used by many things [04:08] nautilus, gnome-vfs, kde, etc. [04:08] clamav [04:08] so, for example, as you copy a large file you get the nifty "xx MB" thing updated in real time under the icon or whatever." === jdub chuckles at whiprush's quote marks [04:09] :p [04:09] also, gamin doesn't tie up cdroms and usb keys like fam does. [04:10] gamin does [04:10] jdub: watch how passionate he is about this stuff IRL, you'll chuckle at him then too [04:10] if it uses the dnotify backend (which is all fam could use) [04:10] with inotify, it doesn't [04:10] well, not counting your last upload, heh. [04:10] yeah. grr. ;) === robertj goes down the dep checklist to determine how far away from beagle he is [04:11] I see thom got in some ff integration patches. woo. [04:11] robertj: if you're using hoary, you have the whole list [04:11] is libgmime the right version? [04:11] jdub: thanks for that btw <3 [04:11] yep [04:12] robertj: yeah [04:13] jdub: are beagle and the mono hooks packaged anywhere? [04:13] last night i wrote a todo item to update the beagle wiki page in the morning [04:13] when i got up, someone had already done it ;) [04:13] robertj: hooks? [04:14] jdub: Evolution-Sharp, Gsf-Sharp [04:14] no, the optional stuff is not packaged [04:14] whiprush: did you guys start on those? [04:14] looked at some of them. [04:14] Neither is beagle? [04:15] beagle itself isn't quite - i'll finish and upload it tonight or tomorrow [04:15] what exactly do you need, a list of what you want as depends and what you want as recommends instead right? [04:15] robertj: as long as you have all the depends, it takes like 3 mins to compile on a slow system [04:15] whiprush: i thought you guys wanted to package them? [04:15] schweep: just checking === chris_ [~chris@chello212186066043.6.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:16] oh oh. we must have misunderstood each other then. I thought you just wanted us to try each of them out an gauge how well they worked. [04:18] ahr [04:19] I can do some though, keeping in mind I'm brand new at this ... hmm, perhaps I need to bug tseng/ogra more. [04:19] whiprush: whats that? [04:20] packaging in general. [04:20] ok. [04:20] mono stuff is slightly tougher than normal stuff [04:21] yeah I noticed [04:21] i still need to come up with a tomboy patch to install to debian standard locations i believ [04:21] hopefully I'll find a friendly DD at linuxworld t give me some pointers [04:23] schweeb: my clock is ticking on the 3 min thin ;) [04:24] robertj: how fast is your system? mine's a 1.7Ghz laptop w/ 640M RAM [04:24] 2.8 celeron 512 [04:25] eMachine is rockin ;) [04:25] $300 last Oct [04:25] ugh, emachine [04:25] that's like saying "Packard Bell" back in the day [04:25] Maybe the AMD 64 will be $300 this October === schweeb [~chris@schweeb.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:25] My parents bought a PB as our first computer [04:25] we upgraded the ram from 4 to 8 megs and suffered a 300% speed decrease until we could afford a bios upgrade a few months later [04:27] btw, where does dbus-sharp come from (yes I did the export stuff) [04:27] libdbus-cil [04:28] jdub: maybe I should dive in & help with mono packaging stuff as well? who's currently doing it? [04:28] thanks whip [04:29] ajmitch: no one in particular, daniels and i did dbus and gmime [04:30] ajmitch: just to have the base depends [04:30]