[12:00] <bitfoo> updaterade :|
[12:00] <jack> said all packages installed sucessfully,,,, but i dont seem to be able to start the program
[12:00] <ogra> ephic: and hoary is unstable, there are no security updates yet
[12:00] <hidde> jack, start it from a terminal, see what it says
[12:00] <jack> i did....no such file or directory
[12:01] <jack> maybe i need the  /?
[12:01] <hidde> jack, what does apt-get install tvtime say?
[12:01] <ephic> hm apt-get dist-upgrade doesnt install anything new.
[12:01] <ephic> although it picks up on hoary
[12:01] <jeebes> if someone can just tell me if you can install konqueror you'll have a new ubuntu convert here
[12:01] <ephic> the hoary archive*
[12:01] <jack> i used synaptic and it said all packages installed sucessfully
[12:01] <hidde> ephic, back up your stuff before doing a dist-upgrade.
[12:01] <crimsun> jeebes: enable universe and `sudo aptitude install konqueror'
[12:01] <hidde> jeebes: for konqueror you need KDE first
[12:02] <ephic> ok but theres nothing to upgrade i suppose
[12:02] <jeebes> so you're saying you can install kde on ubuntu then
[12:02] <hidde> crimsun: why do you prefer aptitude over apt-get.
[12:02] <jeebes> its available in thier packages
[12:02] <crimsun> jeebes: certainly.
[12:02] <ephic> gnome's so much better than kde
[12:02] <hidde> jeebes: yes you can.
[12:02] <jeebes> whew
[12:02] <jeebes> awesome
[12:02] <jeebes> Ubuntu all the way for me, I heard it was gnome only
[12:03] <ephic> i dont see why kde wouldnt work
[12:03] <hidde> jeebes: warty doesn't support kde. I believe hoary will
[12:03] <AndyR> it is linux after all :)
[12:03] <crimsun> hidde: I find /var/log/aptitude useful, and aptitude's handling of Suggests and Recommends is more sensible to me.
[12:03] <AndyR> you can do anything
[12:03] <ephic> ok now that i have hoary repositories working... how come dist-upgrade wont work?
[12:03] <jack> bash: tvtime: command not found
[12:03] <hidde> crimsun: do you know a lot about apt/dpkg etc?
[12:03] <ephic> or should i just look through synaptic?
[12:03] <jeebes> I just wasn't sure if it was in the official ubuntu sources
[12:03] <hidde> jack: 'sudo apt-get install tvtime'
[12:03] <crimsun> hidde: I know enough to be dangerous and not enough to be a deity.
[12:04] <jack> ok ill try that
[12:04] <hidde> crimsun, mind if I bug you in private?
[12:04] <jeebes> if you guys just do a apt-get install kde-core does it find anything, or will I have to add a bunch of extra sources
[12:04] <crimsun> hidde: you caught me at a bad time, but sure, I'll try to answer
[12:04] <hidde> jeebes, have you enabled universe?
[12:05] <jeebes> sorry I have not installed it yet, I just wanna know if its worth wiping out my debian install for it
[12:05] <jack> hmmm says couldnt find package tvtime
[12:05] <AndyR> jeebes, tried live cd?
[12:05] <jeebes> downloading it now
[12:05] <jeebes> can I look through the repository from it
[12:05] <AndyR> warty or hoary live?
[12:05] <jeebes> hoary
[12:06] <AndyR> it will give you a good idea if you will like it
[12:06] <jeebes> I mean, really all I'm hoping is that it will find my video card and acceleration, knoppix does, debian doesn't
[12:07] <granted> i d like to start ppp0 at boot ?
[12:07] <AndyR> nv?
[12:07] <jeebes> ?
[12:07] <granted> ppp0 at boot
[12:07] <AndyR> jeebes, what graphics card?
[12:08] <jeebes> radeon 7500
[12:08] <jeebes> the dri didn't work right in debian
[12:08] <LinuxJones> granted do sudo network-admin
[12:08] <jeebes> it worked fine in knoppix though
[12:08] <granted> thanks jeebes
[12:08] <LinuxJones> bbiab
[12:08] <ephic> ok people, does dist-upgrade work for you? cause its not working here, or do you just look through synaptic for the newest packages?
[12:08] <aardvark> ephic, yes
[12:08] <ogra> jeebes: it should work: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:08] <ephic> ah ok thanks
[12:09] <ohgood> so, hoary is 'developement' then ?
[12:09] <ogra> mvo__: hopefully .... lol
[12:10] <Guardiann> ohgood yes
[12:10] <bitfoo> does anyone here use xfce instead of gnome :|
[12:10] <aardvark> nah
[12:10] <AndyR> bitfoo, not i
[12:10] <jeebes> if I'm going to have to recompile the kernel for the dri it wont be any or much different than debian
[12:10] <ohgood> bitfoo: ocassionaly
[12:10] <bitfoo> or can someone tell me what gnome uses as in gtk2, gtk1, metacity, gkrellm or xfwm4?
[12:10] <aardvark> gtk2
[12:11] <AndyR> metacity
[12:11] <aardvark> ooo it does ?
[12:11] <Guardiann> metacity
[12:11] <bitfoo> :O
[12:11] <jon1012|coding> ??
[12:11] <jon1012|coding> gnome 2.X uses metacity and gtk2
[12:11] <jon1012|coding> (xfwm4 is for xfce)
[12:11] <bitfoo> :|
[12:11] <jon1012|coding> (and gtk1 was used by gnome 1.x)
[12:12] <jon1012|coding> i was using xfce4.2rc's until gnome stabilised in hoary some weeks ago
[12:12] <jazzka> hi!
[12:13] <jazzka> is there any solution / plugin for firefox to see .mov movies?
[12:13] <jon1012|coding> yes :)
[12:13] <jazzka> how?
[12:13] <ohgood> jazzka: mplayer-plugin
[12:13] <jon1012|coding> there are bindings for mplayer
[12:13] <racoontje|clone> what does mplayer-custom do?
[12:13] <ogra> jazzka: vlc-plugin
[12:13] <jazzka> mmm is it available for ubuntu?
[12:14] <racoontje|clone>   mplayer-custom 1:1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu1
[12:14] <racoontje|clone> jazzka: it's in hoary
[12:14] <crimsun> racoontje|clone: it's a bad idea, that's what.
[12:14] <bitfoo> my music is so loud my ears are bleeding :|
[12:14] <crimsun> racoontje|clone: unless you have P4
[12:14] <ohgood> jazzka: the source is, i should prolly hush till i have hoary installed though.
[12:14] <racoontje|clone> bitfoo: great!
[12:14] <geppy> Any advice on getting Firefox to play nicely with ESD?  esddsp firefox hangs on flash sound.
[12:14] <bitfoo> j/k? :(
[12:14] <racoontje|clone> crimsun: how about amd64?
[12:15] <racoontje|clone> oh wait, nvm brainfary
[12:15] <crimsun> geppy: esddsp is set in /etc/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefoxrc?
[12:15] <ogra> jazzka: vlc-plugin is in warty and is fine for .mov files
[12:15] <jazzka> ogra, do you use it?
[12:15] <geppy> crimsun:  No, it's set to "auto."  I'll try changing it.
[12:15] <jazzka> can you see this web ok? http://www.apple.com/macosx/video/large.html
[12:16] <ohgood> yes
[12:16] <AndyR> the battery power meter in hoary seems busted
[12:16] <AndyR> going back to front
[12:16] <ogra> jazzka: i currently use hoary....
[12:16] <ohgood> jazzka: i'd screenshot what it looks like, but- i don't know how to set -vo x11 for the plugin
[12:17] <bitfoo> the battery power meter might be because of your bios
[12:17] <jazzka> :(((
[12:17] <bitfoo> since some companies cheat and dont code them to standards :O
[12:17] <geppy> crimsun:  I changed it, and it's still hanging when Flash tries to play sound.
[12:17] <AndyR> bitfoo, works fine in win2000
[12:17] <bitfoo> yes thats what i mean
[12:17] <bitfoo> they will code them to only work in windows
[12:17] <mz2> bloody hell
[12:17] <bitfoo> :|
[12:18] <mz2> i've just realised my monitor's not as bad as i've thought for the latest 3 months
[12:18] <crimsun> geppy: but gnome system sound events work correctly?
[12:18] <ohgood> yay! time to reboot :)
[12:18] <geppy> crimsun:  Yes.
[12:18] <geppy> crimsun:  I'm *actually* running polypaudio, but that shouldn't make a difference, should it?
[12:18] <crimsun> geppy: what does `gstreamer-properties' have selected for the sink?
[12:18] <mz2> it's just horrendously bad when i have it in 85 Hz, in 75 Hz it's pretty sharp
[12:19] <geppy> crimsun:  ESD for sink, and for source.
[12:19] <bitfoo> how do you install new themes
[12:19] <mz2> 75 Hz won't kill my eyes over time, will it?
[12:19] <crimsun> geppy: no, it doesn't make any difference as long as you configured /etc/polypaudio/default.pa correctly
[12:19] <bitfoo> just the tar.gz? or untar it first
[12:19] <aardvark> mz2, time will tell :)
[12:19] <geppy> crimsun:  I have the default, right now;  should I edit it?
[12:21] <crimsun> geppy: it should work fine with the defaults, though I edited it to use alsa-sink for sink_name=output
[12:21] <geppy> crimsun:  Alright, I'll try that;  the defaults aren't quite working out for me.
[12:21] <crimsun> geppy: I presume you're executing mozilla-firefox from the menu and not from the commandline with extra parameters?
[12:22] <crimsun> (mozilla-firefox or firefox)
[12:22] <geppy> crimsun:  Right.  I tried running 'esddsp firefox', but it wouldn't run (after configuring it to use eddsp)
[12:22] <geppy> crimsun:  right.
[12:22] <crimsun> geppy: no need to add anything to the command line
[12:22] <crimsun> geppy: a simple firefox will suffice
[12:22] <geppy> crimsun:  Alright, good, that's what I've been trying.  =)
[12:23] <PhilAway> hola people..Anyone using ScummVM on their ubuntu?
[12:23] <geppy> crimsun:  Just out of curiosity, why isn't the firefox package automatically configured to use ESD?  If Warty ships with a largely ESD-enabled base, shouldn't all of it be ESD-enabled?
[12:23] <smoky___> hi there
[12:23] <jazzka> how can I force reinstall a program?
[12:23] <smoky___> can anyone tell me the big difference between ubuntu and user linux?
[12:24] <jdub> smoky___: see the faq on the website
[12:24] <smoky___> it seems to me they have similar goals
[12:24] <crimsun> geppy: it _is_ configured to use esd by "auto"
[12:24] <crimsun> geppy: one shouldn't need to specify other values explicitly :)
[12:25] <EvolutionR> Unpacking python2.4-gadfly (from .../python2.4-gadfly_1.0.0-8ubuntu3_all.deb) .. .
[12:25] <EvolutionR> Preparing to replace python-gadfly 1.0.0-7 (using .../python-gadfly_1.0.0-8ubunt u3_all.deb) ...
[12:25] <EvolutionR> Unpacking replacement python-gadfly ...
[12:25] <EvolutionR> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:25] <EvolutionR>  /var/cache/apt/archives/gimp-data_2.2.2-1ubuntu1_all.deb
[12:25] <EvolutionR> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)root@mybox:/home/user1 # How come have error?
[12:25] <smoky___> so there are so much debian-based distributions available, why don't they combine their work?
[12:25] <ogra> EvolutionR: please dont flood here
[12:25] <thenuke> smoky___: heh, maybe there are different distros because of the different taste of ppl
[12:25] <geppy> crimsun:  Oh.  =)
[12:25] <EvolutionR> it is the apt-get dist-upgrade....
[12:25] <crimsun> smoky___: each seems to have nontrivially independent goals
[12:26] <ewf345> the new 3.5 live cd is great, does anyone know when a version you can install to the harddrive will come out?
[12:26] <racoontje|clone> smoky___: lots of debian users have ubuntu repositories
[12:26] <racoontje|clone> like me
[12:26] <smoky___> ok thx
[12:26] <geppy> crimsun:  Do you know what sound solution Hoary is gearing towards?
[12:26] <crimsun> EvolutionR: your error is way above that.
[12:27] <crimsun> geppy: polypaudio in the short term. jdub knows better than I do.
[12:27] <smoky___> i will check the faq and the live cd and will test it
[12:27] <geppy> crimsun:  Much thanks.
[12:28] <ohgood> nice live cd you folks have. now, to get started finding a partition ot install on...
[12:28] <aardvark> another question
[12:28] <aardvark> DVD burning sftware  ???
[12:28] <aardvark> best solution  ?
[12:28] <geppy> aardvark: K3B
[12:28] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: !best
[12:28] <racoontje|clone> k3b is nice
[12:28] <crimsun> k3b, graveman, ...
[12:28] <racoontje|clone> I use cdrdao :>
[12:28] <aardvark> ok checking thks
[12:28] <ohgood> aardvark, cdrecord-prodvd
[12:29] <aardvark> thks every 1
[12:30] <aardvark> k3b optimized 4 KDE !!!! don't help me in warty ?
[12:30] <geppy> aardvark:  K3B should run fine in Warty.
[12:30] <EvolutionR> crimsun: go to  #flood
[12:30] <ohgood> aardvark, it doesn't matter what it's 'optimized' for, you only burn with it.
[12:30] <aardvark> sure
[12:30] <aardvark> but dont it use KDE libs
[12:31] <geppy> aardvark:  It doesn't matter.
[12:31] <geppy> aardvark:  It'll still run in GNOME.
[12:31] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: yes, but why?
[12:31] <crimsun> EvolutionR: you still haven't pasted the error.
[12:31] <aardvark> well ubuntu is gnome
[12:31] <ohgood> lol
[12:31] <geppy> aardvark:  Right...
[12:31] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: W T F
[12:31] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: except it isn't.
[12:31] <geppy> aardvark:  But K3B runs in GNOME.
[12:31] <aardvark> WTF
[12:31] <ohgood> ugh, can't su to do much on the livecd. guess i'll have to boot knoppix to install... or did i miss something ?
[12:32] <geppy> aardvark:  What racoon is saying is that Ubuntu isn't GNOME.  You can install KDE, if you'd like.
[12:32] <geppy> aardvark:  Or flux, whatever.
[12:32] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: I have KDE/Qt /AND/ GTK[+/2] /GNOME apps running... In fluxbox.
[12:32] <aardvark> geppy, I dont want kde
[12:32] <geppy> aardvark:  You don't need it!
[12:32] <aardvark> so it appears
[12:32] <geppy> aardvark:  That's what we've been saying.
[12:32] <ohgood> aardvark, try installing k3b and see what happens
[12:32] <aardvark> geppy, I see said the blind man
[12:32] <geppy> aardvark:  I hate KDE, yet I run K3B in either flux or GNOME, depending on what mood I'm in.
[12:33] <geppy> aardvark:  What's confusing you?
[12:33] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: dude
[12:33] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: k3b is a kde app
[12:33] <aardvark> racoontje|clone, yes dude
[12:33] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: which only means that it uses kde LIBS
[12:33] <aardvark> racoontje|clone, yes precisely that means the kde libs are loaded to run the app
[12:33] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: ie it could be running with kde, gnome, openbox, fucktardwm
[12:34] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: and you don't want kde why?
[12:34] <aardvark> yes
[12:34] <geppy> aardvark:  Having the libs doesn't mean you have to run KDE.
[12:34] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: oic you just dont want to install the libs?
[12:34] <geppy> aardvark:  How does installing them hurt you/
[12:34] <aardvark> geppy, yes
[12:34] <aardvark> I know
[12:34] <geppy> aardvark:  It might take thirty or fourty cents worth of disk space.
[12:34] <aardvark> but I want to stay gnome as much as possible
[12:34] <geppy> aardvark:  It's not going to hit you for performance.
[12:34] <racoontje|clone> haha you're missing out on a lot of kde coolness
[12:34] <geppy> aardvark:  Then use xterm.
[12:34] <bitfoo> someone know why in gnome on hoary, my open windows dont stretch but are all the same size?
[12:35] <bitfoo> at the bottom bar i mean
[12:35] <jdub> aardvark: do you need to burn a data DVD?
[12:35] <racoontje|clone> not to mention that Qt is loads faster than gtk anyway
[12:35] <geppy> racoon:  Depends on who writes it.  =)
[12:35] <racoontje|clone> I tried compiling firefox with (somewhat iconified-broken) qt headers...
[12:35] <aardvark> yes data
[12:35] <racoontje|clone> DAMN
[12:35] <jdub> aardvark: just files and stuff?
[12:35] <permethium> ne one feel like helpin a n00b
[12:35] <aardvark> mix
[12:35] <geppy> permethium:  That's usually a bad way to preface a question.
[12:35] <racoontje|clone> geppy: I'm talking about the same app
[12:35] <bitfoo> ???
[12:35] <jdub> permethium: ask your question :)
[12:35] <bitfoo> why :|
[12:36] <aardvark> racoontje|clone, geppy, suppose I could get K3B
[12:36] <swim> hay how do I set shadows? like this: http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=20140&file1=20140-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Winter
[12:36] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: no shit
[12:36] <jdub> aardvark: put the blank dvd in your drive, nautilus should pop up a window
[12:36] <permethium> k. dl ing the ubuntu iso
[12:36] <permethium> right
[12:36] <JC|Asleep> hi guys!
[12:36] <racoontje|clone> eek
[12:36] <aardvark> racoontje|clone, ;-)
[12:36] <jdub> aardvark: then you can drag and drop files and burn :-)
[12:36] <racoontje|clone> nautilus
[12:36] <DAC1138> what was the apt-get name to get the c compiler tools and gcc and everything?
[12:36] <aardvark> jdub, yeah I tried it
[12:36] <geppy> racoon:  Ah.  Well, I really don't have much experience with QT, but all of the KDE apps that I've used (except for K3B) really kind of seemed to suck.
[12:36] <jdub> DAC1138: build-essential
[12:36] <racoontje|clone> jdub: how does it burn iso's?
[12:36] <DAC1138> thats it, thanks
[12:36] <jdub> guys, let's leave out the kde v gnome discussions please
[12:37] <jdub> racoontje|clone: context menu of an iso, click write to CD
[12:37] <racoontje|clone> maybe I should try gnome
[12:37] <aardvark> jdub, hmmm interesting
[12:37] <aardvark> racoontje|clone, gnome is it
[12:37] <aardvark> i mean it is
[12:37] <PhilAway> hola people..Anyone using ScummVM with ubuntu?
[12:38] <aardvark> ScummVM  is that for games
[12:38] <geppy> aardvark:  *sigh*
[12:38] <fabien> hi everyone
[12:38] <JC|Asleep> erm: a quick question: i've just installed (for the first time).... and i'm getting errors. it says the root file system is mounted read only... it hasn't setup properly as a result and i'm new to linux so don't have a clue!  anyone have any ideas?
[12:38] <aardvark> geppy, what's the matter
[12:38] <racoontje|clone> Tomorrow ubuntu's going on this box
[12:38] <EvolutionR> apt-get dist-upgrade > /home/user1/abc.txt   E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.          ?
[12:38] <mz2> is there any decent gtk/gnome cd burning app available for ubuntu?
[12:39] <PhilAway> racoontje|clone ; lol, same here
[12:39] <racoontje|clone> debian has annoyed me for long enough kthx
[12:39] <aardvark> mz2, K#B
[12:39] <aardvark> mz2, K3B
[12:39] <permethium> is there a faq on the ubuntu cd?
[12:39] <geppy> aardvark:  It doesn't matter what you run, games should run the same on everything.  Doom3, or cedega/wine, it doesn't matter, you're not going to see a difference in framerates from flux to KDE to GNOME.
[12:39] <fabien> quick help: I need to run the magic font script in warty, but everytime I try to log in Gnome, I've got a popup saying I need to run this script as root and Synaptic is launching. Any clue ?
[12:39] <PhilAway> Question : Can I install ubuntu via network ?
[12:39] <permethium> or a guide or somethin
[12:39] <aardvark> geppy, I was asking about ScummWm
[12:39] <crimsun> mz2: look for graveman, which is in hoary
[12:40] <geppy> aardvark:  Which also shouldn't matter.
[12:40] <racoontje|clone> jdub: does the mplayer pkg in ubuntu default repository support a decent amount of codecs
[12:40] <aardvark> geppy, no I mean I was interested to find out what is was
[12:40] <mz2> aardvark, am trying to avoid it as it reminds me of 1) nero which i hate and 2) as it reminds me of kde which i hate
[12:40] <racoontje|clone> in debian you have to get a separate repo to get it to work properly
[12:40] <racoontje|clone> mz2: aww, a lot of hate there
[12:40] <racoontje|clone> mz2: why don't you just use, oohh, say, xterm
[12:40] <racoontje|clone> cdrdao!
[12:40] <aardvark> mz2, some folk are partial too it
[12:41] <geppy> crimsun;  Does graveman support DVD burning?
[12:41] <mz2> crimsun, oh i see... will have to wait for a bit for hoary, it seems, as it's not in the backports
[12:41] <crimsun> geppy: I don't know of any reason why it wouldn't, but ogra would know better.
[12:41] <crimsun> mz2: I believe ogra maintains a backport of graveman to warty.
[12:41] <geppy> crimsun:  Thanks.
[12:41] <racoontje|clone> am i the only one always running out of workstation names
[12:41] <mz2> crimsun, ogra?
[12:42] <ogra> mz2:  www.grawert.net/software/
[12:42] <crimsun> and there you haveit.
[12:43] <mz2> ogra, thanks :)
[12:43] <ogra> :)
[12:43] <aardvark> racoontje|clone, impossible
[12:43] <fabien> quick help: I need to run the magic font script in warty, but everytime I try to log in Gnome, I've got a popup saying I need to run this script as root and Synaptic is launching. Any clue ?
[12:43] <mebaran151> ok
[12:43] <ogra> crimsun: i dont maintain backports ;)
[12:43] <fabien> sorry for the flooding ;)
[12:43] <mebaran151> anybody here having serious problems with Evolution for AMD64?
[12:43] <mebaran151> i keep getting a floating point exception
[12:44] <ogra> crimsun: its a native warty pkg...
[12:44] <crimsun> ogra: fair 'nuff ;)
[12:44] <Epyon> hello, i have just installed my Ubuntu, and i have a problem
[12:44] <Epyon> please anyone have the patience to help?
[12:44] <aardvark> Epyon, whats the problem
[12:44] <mebaran151> yes Epyon
[12:44] <mebaran151> sharing is caring
[12:44] <Epyon> i installed Ubuntu
[12:44] <Epyon> 64-bit
[12:44] <racoontje|clone> are there experimental [ie nightly tarballs]  hoary install disks? possibly using jigdo
[12:44] <Epyon> and the GUI wont work
[12:44] <racoontje|clone> ?
[12:44] <fabien> is anybody reading me ? :D
[12:44] <Epyon> X will not start up
[12:44] <Epyon> i took some pictures
[12:45] <Epyon> here i will show the pics
[12:45] <aardvark> fabien, ?
[12:45] <geppy> racoon:  If you use jigdo, you'll be up to date.
[12:45] <Epyon> http://www.myfilebucket.com/u/Epyon/2005_0227Image0037.JPG
[12:45] <geppy> racoon:  They don't *have* to do a build; that's the point.
[12:45] <Epyon> http://www.myfilebucket.com/u/Epyon/2005_0227Image0039.JPG
[12:45] <Epyon> i can login and such
[12:45] <fabien> aardwark, as I was saying... I need to run the magic font script in warty, but everytime I try to log in Gnome, I've got a popup saying I need to run this script as root and Synaptic is launching. Any clue ?
[12:45] <Epyon> but i want a GUI bad
[12:45] <racoontje|clone> woo!
[12:45] <racoontje|clone> I just found out I'm getting a new toy from my boss... well, getting
[12:46] <racoontje|clone> quad opteron 850 server :>
[12:46] <carthikSchool> Hi all, I am trying to mount a USB HDD using a USB 1.2 port on an old machine, and my machiine has no /dev/sda
[12:46] <bitserf> is it normal for machine load to spike up to 30 after restarting HAL for a dist-upgrade? :)
[12:46] <racoontje|clone> 2gb ram per processor
[12:46] <crimsun> bitserf: yes. Reboot.
[12:46] <carthikSchool> What do I mount now?
[12:46] <bitserf> seems like hotplug is going crazy :)
[12:46] <ohgood> racoontje|clone, i'll be needing some time for distcc there. let me know when.
[12:46] <Epyon> so can anyone help?
[12:47] <aardvark> Epyon, u say this is a new install of warty ?
[12:47] <racoontje|clone> ohgood: are you a package maintainer for ubuntu or a gentoo user?
[12:47] <carthikSchool> I can tell you what's in dmesg. I just need to copy about 30 gigs of mp3 before I reinstall something...
[12:47] <ohgood> racoontje|clone, yes.
[12:47] <Epyon> yes
[12:47] <mz2> oh, nice one... graveman looks good & simple
[12:47] <geppy> ogra:  Does graveman support DVD burnning?
[12:47] <racoontje|clone> ohgood: yes? yes to what?
[12:47] <Epyon> it is new
[12:47] <geppy> ogra:  I only see CD options.
[12:47] <aardvark> geppy, no
[12:47] <geppy> aardvark:  Danke.
[12:47] <Epyon> i installed a 64 bit and a X86 on different machines
[12:47] <aardvark> geppy, sure I tried it
[12:47] <Epyon> and both have the same problem
[12:47] <ohgood> racoontje|clone, i'm afraid to say... you might not let me if i admit to enjoying gentoo. .o oops
[12:47] <racoontje|clone> wtf are you talking about
[12:47] <racoontje|clone> I enjoy gentoo
[12:48] <racoontje|clone> gentoo is my main distro
[12:48] <ohgood> oh - well then. gentoo so far :)
[12:48] <carthikSchool> How could my desktop not have a /dev/sda ? I wonder...
[12:48] <fabien> ok it's too busy. I'll come back later or wait for an answer in the forum :)
[12:48] <fabien> good night everyone
[12:48] <Stereotype> Have you tried /dev/sda1? I have a jumpdrive and that's where it's mounted.
[12:48] <Epyon> any idead aardvark?
[12:48] <aardvark> Epyon, seems like the install barfed ... did it recognise all hardware ?
[12:48] <racoontje|clone> I love the way emerge nvidia-drivers Just Works(tm)
[12:48] <Epyon> ideas*
[12:48] <Epyon> i think so
[12:49] <carthikSchool> Stereotype, thanks, but there is no /dev/sd* at all
[12:49] <Epyon> both are ATi cards
[12:49] <Epyon> one machine is a laptop
[12:49] <racoontje|clone> eek
[12:49] <racoontje|clone> ati
[12:49] <Epyon> another a tower
[12:49] <aardvark> racoontje|clone, whats the deal wiht ATI in Ubuntu ?
[12:49] <Epyon> but have same problem
[12:49] <Stereotype> Is it fully inserted carthikSchool?
[12:49] <ogra> racoontje|clone: the way sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx works is way cooler
[12:49] <EvolutionR> crimsun: apt-get dist-upgrade again in #flood
[12:49] <Stereotype> ATI lacks *nix support.
[12:49] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: no idea I'm not an ubuntu user
[12:49] <carthikSchool> Stereotype, yeah, dmesg tells me that a new USB device is detected...
[12:49] <racoontje|clone> Stereotype: it's improving, though
[12:49] <crimsun> EvolutionR: please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://pastebin.ca
[12:49] <racoontje|clone> ogra: pffft!
[12:50] <racoontje|clone> I fart in thine general direction
[12:50] <racoontje|clone> also, the way that pypanel DOESN'T break on Gentoo is :>
[12:50] <aardvark> racoontje|clone, uhhhh so uhhhh whats the deal ?
[12:50] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: on gentoo no problem
[12:50] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: on debian
[12:50] <racoontje|clone> well
[12:50] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: more so.
[12:50] <bitfoo> hmm
[12:50] <geppy> For a beginning GTK programmer, would a CD/DVD burning application be a bad idea for a first project?
[12:50] <bitfoo> xfce is pretty hot
[12:50] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: especially if using xorg
[12:50] <aardvark> racoontje|clone, I looked at gentoo but when it takes a weekend to build out a system
[12:50] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: if using xorg6.7 on gentoo it just applies patches
[12:50] <carthikSchool> So is it like my computer has no support for usb devices? what packages would give me that?
[12:50] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: true
[12:51] <aardvark> well thats too long
[12:51] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: not if you distcc
[12:51] <ohgood> aardvark, lol- more like 20 minutes
[12:51] <kent> what is the name of that new pdf-viewer for gnome?
[12:51] <racoontje|clone> ohgood: he's talking about stage 1 and multiple emerge -e --newuse world's, assuming he's going to screw up 21x. His estimations are accurate
[12:51] <geppy> kent: xpdf?
[12:51] <aardvark> ohgood, sh$@$@ !
[12:51] <Stereotype> libusb, I think. I know hotplug manages it. carthikSchool.
[12:52] <geppy> kent:  gpdf?
[12:52] <esher> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.de.debian.org unstable Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[12:52] <esher> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[12:52] <esher> my apt-get update messed up ?!
[12:52] <ohgood> racoontje|clone, well, i don't know anyone that does stage1 more than once, on the same machine (all hail tar) ;)
[12:52] <kent> geppy, no.. i thought there was a new program, i read about it some time ago on planet.gnome. Something with an e in the name i think..
[12:52] <aardvark> racoontje|clone, why did you decide on gentoo ?
[12:52] <bitfoo> i get that all the time esher
[12:52] <bitfoo> :|
[12:52] <geppy> kent;  Oh, hadn't heard of it.
[12:52] <EvolutionR> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/4911
[12:52] <fhobia> hey guys, whats the startup file to modify what is booted up on startup ?
[12:53] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: gentoo > debian > fedora > debian community, imho
[12:53] <Stereotype> Booted as far as?
[12:53] <esher> bitfoo, thisone is new, box runns smooth over many days ...
[12:53] <carthikSchool> Gosh, this totally beats me, well, I am truly helpless I guess...
[12:53] <geppy> fhobia:  There are quite a few.  There's no do-all "msconfig". if that's what you're looking for.
[12:53] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: plus, ati-drivers Just Works, unlike other distro's at the time
[12:53] <racoontje|clone> [this is before ubuntu existed, mind you] 
[12:53] <aardvark> racoontje|clone, interesting
[12:53] <fhobia> geppy: well, my friend wants to startup vncserver...we're wondering where to put it
[12:53] <bitfoo> i think there is something wrong with the gpg key of that repo esher
[12:54] <jon1012|coding> excuse me, do you know how to rebuild all the gmo's ? (in a po/ folder for translation of gnome apps)
[12:54] <aardvark> yeah I was on RC3
[12:54] <aardvark> saw ubuntu
[12:54] <aardvark> tried it and liked it
[12:54] <bitfoo> i still got the packages from that repo esher
[12:54] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: the ability to patch source before compiling is at the same time gentoos greatest strength [just works quality]  and biggest weakness [emerge -upv world can take bloody ages if you use kde] 
[12:54] <mebaran151> Evolution on my computer seems to be acting weird
[12:54] <mebaran151> I keep getting a floating point exception
[12:55] <mebaran151> I tried a completely clean reinstall, but no dice
[12:55] <bitfoo> o_O
[12:55] <crimsun> EvolutionR: comment out the first line.
[12:55] <ohgood> racoontje|clone, i don't think folks using gentoo use kde, judgin by the stats. (:
[12:55] <geppy> fhobia:  Hmm... If you run it once, does it not set itself to run auto-magically on boot? Most of my services-related experience was on RedHat, so I'm at a loss for the actual configs.  =/
[12:55] <EvolutionR> crimsun: what u mean comment out the first line?
[12:56] <geppy> EvolutionR:  Put a hash at the beginning.
[12:56] <geppy> EvolutionR:  # first line
[12:56] <EvolutionR> okie
[12:56] <racoontje|clone> ohgood: I think people start, but get frustrated when kde releases a new version and they aren't done with compiling kde_a_dmin yet.
[12:56] <esher> bitfoo, ok, i hope this error not fucked up my whole apt-system
[12:56] <ohgood> racoontje|clone, lol- aye
[12:56] <racoontje|clone> [note that admin starts with an a ;-)] 
[12:56] <racoontje|clone> explaining jokes, ruining fun since 3562 BC
[12:57] <ogra> mebaran151: amd64 ?
[12:57] <aardvark> kde is nice but I prefer gnome
[12:57] <ohgood> ok, folks i'm getting a error : E: Couldn't download adduser on while starting the DEBOOTSTRAP stuffs. any hints ?
[12:57] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: what for
[12:57] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: where have you used kde?
[12:57] <bitfoo> this is what i got esher W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[12:57] <bitfoo> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[12:57] <aardvark> redhat
[12:57] <racoontje|clone> bitfoo: wait
[12:57] <racoontje|clone> bitfoo: WAAAIT
[12:57] <racoontje|clone> u in europe?
[12:58] <bitfoo> me?
[12:58] <bitfoo> no
[12:58] <crimsun> he's in north carolina.
[12:58] <esher> iam in .eu racoontje|clone
[12:58] <geppy> aardvark:  RedHat 9?  RedHat hasn't been a good representation of _anything_ GNU/Linux since.
[12:58] <bitfoo> i am not!
[12:58] <bitfoo> :|
[12:58] <aardvark> geppy, I knwo
[12:58] <crimsun> his _client_ is in north carolina.
[12:58] <bitfoo> wait yes i am. i've been had. :|
[12:58] <geppy> aardvark:  Just saying that you might want to try it again.
[12:58] <racoontje|clone> bitfoo: gpkg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 07DC563D1F41B907 && gpg --armor --export 07DC563D1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
[12:58] <aardvark> geppy, but RH is a linux std in the employment sector
[12:58] <racoontje|clone> :-)
[12:58] <geppy> aardvark:  KDE is not, though.
[12:59] <geppy> aardvark:  And Fedora != RHEL
[12:59] <bitfoo> oh i dont have gpkg heh
[12:59] <ogra> carthikSchool: it is :)
[12:59] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: that's not anywhere near the state kde is in now
[12:59] <aardvark> carthikSchool, it is
[12:59] <crimsun> bitfoo: gnupg is included.
[12:59] <ohgood> hmm, no debootstrap gurus about ?
[12:59] <bitfoo> bash: gpkg: command not found
[12:59] <scoon> can anyone here tell me what versions of alsa-base and libasound2 they are currently using ?
[12:59] <aardvark> racoontje|clone, i am sure its great
[12:59] <bitfoo> :|
[12:59] <racoontje|clone> 3.1 and 3.2 have shown some nice things, and it's all just keeping us quiet for qt4 :>
[12:59] <carthikSchool> ogra, great, I am having trouble mounting my usb HDD, aardvark too :)
[12:59] <crimsun> bitfoo: gpg. It was a typo.
[12:59] <bitfoo> ohhh
[12:59] <bitfoo> this i did not know
[12:59] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: I'm still a veteran on the kde-redhat team actually
[12:59] <racoontje|clone> bitfoo: what
[01:00] <racoontje|clone> bitfoo: did my oneliner work?
[01:00] <aardvark> racoontje|clone, what the heck u do ?
[01:00] <ogra> carthikSchool: you shouldnt need to mount it, it should appear on your desktop if you plug it in...
[01:00] <EvolutionR> is it like this http://pastebin.ca/4912 ?
[01:00] <racoontje|clone> aardvark: kde-redhat : kde packages for redhat/fedora
[01:00] <bitfoo> yeh it worked
[01:00] <mebaran151> anyone know of a backport of evolution I could use
[01:00] <racoontje|clone> bitfoo: thx is assumed.
[01:00] <crimsun> EvolutionR: yes, now update
[01:00] <bitfoo> :O
[01:00] <mebaran151> not a backport actually
[01:00] <ohgood> hmm, still no hints to a debootstrap problem...
[01:00] <mebaran151> but a frontport I guess
[01:00] <carthikSchool> ogra, well, it doesn't, and I amazed that there is no /dev/sd* when I do a cd dev, ls
[01:00] <bitfoo> maybe you can tell me why gnome wont stretch my application s:|
[01:00] <bitfoo> on the bottom bar :|
[01:00] <mebaran151> I needed hoary for xorg
[01:00] <bitfoo> they are tiny :/
[01:01] <ogra> carthikSchool: do you see it in the device manager ?
[01:01] <racoontje|clone> bitfoo: some things you do not want stretched
[01:01] <crimsun> mebaran151: then why not just dist-upgrade to Hoary?
[01:01] <mebaran151> but my Evolution wont start and keeps declaring a floating point error
[01:01] <carthikSchool> ogra - no
[01:01] <mebaran151> I did
[01:01] <mebaran151> I just need to get an older version of Evolution
[01:01] <racoontje|clone> especially not by gnomes
[01:01] <carthikSchool> I am just trying to manually mount it now
[01:01] <mebaran151> liek 2.0 something
[01:01] <bitfoo> heh :|
[01:01] <mebaran151> so I can actually work
[01:01] <mebaran151> Xorg works fine
[01:01] <crimsun> mebaran151: ...a floating point error?
[01:01] <bitfoo> its just there is way too much wasted space :/
[01:01] <racoontje|clone> bitfoo: hey, gimme a break I fixed your apt
[01:01] <mebaran151> here is what it says
[01:01] <EvolutionR> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/4913
[01:01] <ogra> carthikSchool: look at the output of mdesg if there is any hint for the device
[01:01] <bitfoo> well i mean i still got the packages without the key hehe
[01:01] <mebaran151> mebaran@mebtux:~$ evolution
[01:01] <mebaran151> Floating point exception
[01:01] <mebaran151> mebaran@mebtux:~$
[01:01] <ogra> dmesg
[01:01] <bitfoo> i think :|
[01:02] <bitfoo> but thanks nonetheless
[01:02] <ogra> mebaran151: amd64 ?
[01:02] <crimsun> mebaran151: uname -m
[01:02] <mebaran151> how DID you guess
[01:02] <mebaran151> yeah
[01:02] <mebaran151> I am on amd64
[01:02] <crimsun> heh, known.
[01:02] <carthikSchool> ogra, yeah, dmesg gives me the usual "new usb device at scsi 5" message
[01:02] <ogra> mebaran151: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5870
[01:02] <ogra> :(
[01:02] <ogra> carthikSchool: try: sudo modprobe sg
[01:02] <carthikSchool> ogra, but I obviously cant do a $pmount /dev/sda* since there is no sda. so wonder
[01:02] <mebaran151> so
[01:02] <mebaran151> uh
[01:03] <ohgood> ahh, here we go
[01:03] <mebaran151> are they getting on to this
[01:03] <mebaran151> Chop chop I say
[01:03] <ogra> mebaran151: hoary is unstabel :-P
[01:03] <mebaran151> evolution data server has never worked right for me
[01:03] <carthikSchool> ogra, I did sudo modprobe sg, now what?
[01:03] <scoon> can anyone here tell me what versions of alsa-base and libasound2 they are currently using ?
[01:03] <mebaran151> ogra: I thought it was unstable like Debian Unstable
[01:03] <gangalino> how do I finger a userid?
[01:03] <ogra> mebaran151: it works here with an older version
[01:03] <mebaran151> how do I backport it then
[01:03] <Stereotype> scoon: alsa-base 1.05a-1ubuntu6.
[01:03] <aardvark> thanks everyone for the info
[01:03] <mebaran151> can I add like a warty main repo
[01:03] <ogra> mebaran151: dont compare ubuntu with debian... ;)
[01:03] <mebaran151> and force a version
[01:03] <aardvark> l8tr
[01:04] <ohgood> apparently the debootstrap script will refuse any parition other than /mnt/ubuntu         that's the only problem - yay
[01:04] <scoon> thanks Stereotype, hoary ?
[01:04] <mebaran151> well they could at least fix it
[01:04] <Stereotype> Warty.
[01:04] <ogra> mebaran151: its a pita , but you can downgrade the packages by hand ....
[01:04] <scoon> can anyone here tell me what versions of alsa-base and libasound2 they are currently using (hoary)?
[01:04] <Stereotype> I'm waiting for the 64 bit Hoart.
[01:04] <scoon> Stereotype, ah.  thanks anyway.
[01:04] <Stereotype> *Hoary
[01:04] <mebaran151> hmmm
[01:04] <ogra> mebaran151: get them from morgue.ubuntu.com
[01:04] <Gusto_> anyone know how to set up a identd in ubuntu?
[01:04] <yo_fel> hi everybody
[01:04] <mebaran151> I had might as well make compile install
[01:04] <mebaran151> but ok
[01:04] <cafuego> Stereotype: Runs mainly okay at the moment.
[01:04] <EvolutionR> apt-get -f install what is the -f command is?
[01:04] <mebaran151> I will try that
[01:04] <crimsun> scoon: 1.0.8-2ubuntu1 and 1.0.7-4ubuntu1
[01:04] <mebaran151> morgue.ubuntu.com
[01:04] <carthikSchool> ogra, thanks for trying, i think I should try anothe distro for my desktop, probably
[01:05] <cafuego> EvolutionR: 'fix'
[01:05] <ogra> carthikSchool: look again at dmesg after you replugged
[01:05] <mebaran151> that it?
[01:05] <EvolutionR> ok
[01:05] <ogra> mebaran151: yup
[01:05] <mebaran151> what date
[01:05] <scoon> crimsun, what card are you using ?
[01:05] <carthikSchool> ogre : Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi4, channel 0, id 0, lun 0,  type 0
[01:05] <crimsun> scoon: M-Audio Transit.
[01:05] <Stereotype> cafuego: I was under the impression Hoary was only test phase and live CD. Not officially released.
[01:05] <ogra> carthikSchool: pmount /dev/sg0
[01:05] <ohgood> carthikSchool, this is a mount problem with usb-hda ?
[01:05] <bitfoo> someone tell me why this is happening on hoary? -> http://www.duke.edu/~peg2/sohot.jpg
[01:06] <scoon> crimsun, hmmm.  this must be a creative problem.
[01:06] <ogra> carthikSchool: regard the p
[01:06] <bitfoo> oops i mean http://www.duke.edu/~peg2/desktop.jpg
[01:06] <yo_fel> do you have nautilus scripts working on hoary?
[01:06] <carthikSchool> ohgood, I don't know what usb-hda is , but i cant mount my usb hdd
[01:06] <ogra> carthikSchool: you are on warty  ?
[01:06] <ohgood> carthikSchool, close enough
[01:06] <cafuego> Stereotype: it's on the official servers, makes it official to me ;-)
[01:06] <bitfoo> arg
[01:06] <bitfoo> oops i mean http://www.duke.edu/~peg2/desktop.png
[01:06] <bitfoo> :|
[01:06] <ohgood> bitfoo, that certainly should mount cleanly
[01:06] <Stereotype> Really?
[01:06] <carthikSchool> ogra, Error: could not determine real path of the device: No such file or directory
[01:06] <ogra> carthikSchool: you are on warty  ?
[01:06] <yo_fel> i tried putting some scripts in ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts but nothing
[01:06] <Stereotype> *goes to look*
[01:06] <cafuego> Stereotype: The only problem i have with it is Evolution not working (at all) but that seems to be aHoary problem, not an amd64 problem.
[01:06] <carthikSchool> ogra, I guess so, yes
[01:06] <bitfoo> the png link is super the problem :|
[01:07] <ohgood> carthikSchool, try in /dev/scsi/blah  ?
[01:07] <ogra> carthikSchool: hmm....should simply work...
[01:07] <carthikSchool> there is no /dev/scsi ohgoog
[01:07] <crimsun> bitfoo: part of dulug?
[01:07] <carthikSchool> ohgood, I'm sorry ^^
[01:07] <Stereotype> cafuego: Link me?
[01:07] <bitfoo> why yes i am :D
[01:07] <mebaran151> can apt-get grab from the morgue
[01:07] <gangalino> how do I finger a userid?
[01:07] <mebaran151> and what is the morgue anyway
[01:07] <crimsun> bitfoo: figured. :)
[01:08] <mebaran151> this is a rather odd place
[01:08] <bitfoo> :)
[01:08] <mebaran151> indeed
[01:08] <bitfoo> i dont do their yellowdog and all that though :/
[01:08] <ogra> mebaran151: there are the obsoleted packages....
[01:08] <ohgood> carthikSchool, you'll have to define the full path, 'twas that way with my ext-usb-hda, usually mounted as /dev/scsi/something/sro/sda1          iirc
[01:08] <carthikSchool> ogra, well, this is a 700 MHZ celeron, old machine, only usb 1.2 , so i guess it doesnt just work
[01:08] <ohgood> carthikSchool, nay, it will work, full path
[01:08] <cafuego> Stereotype: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/Contents-amd64.gz
[01:08] <ogra> carthikSchool: hmm, it would probably work on hoary....
[01:08] <Stereotype> Make sure it's plugged in properly.
[01:08] <carthikSchool> ohgood, even if there is not /dev/scsi ?
[01:08] <cafuego> Stereotype: Just fetch a warty cd and update after install.
[01:08] <ohgood> carthikSchool, yes
[01:09] <xvlun> hi
[01:09] <ohgood> carthikSchool, you do have scsi support in kernel, no ?
[01:09] <carthikSchool> ohgood, how do i figure that out?
[01:09] <cafuego> Stereotype: I did a slightly odd install; went from Debian Sid/AMD64 (via Alioth) directly to Hoary.
[01:09] <ogra> Stereotype: there is a amd64 install iso available on the archive
[01:09] <carthikSchool> ogra, well it does not, I tried that yesterday
[01:10] <carthikSchool> ogra, I reinstalled warty today
[01:10] <Stereotype> I have the Warty 64 ISO.
[01:10] <ohgood> carthikSchool, well, if you ahve a standard kernel, one would _assume_ it supports scsi, otherwise, build one quick n check
[01:10] <Stereotype> Which I am on now.
[01:10] <cafuego> Stereotype: yeah, just install that, then edit sources.list and doa  dist-upgrade.
[01:10] <carthikSchool> ohgood mount: special device dev/scsi/host3/bus0/target0/lun0 does not exist
[01:10] <carthikSchool> 
[01:10] <ogra> carthikSchool: could you mount it on any other distro you ran on this machine ?
[01:11] <ohgood> carthikSchool, dmesg          shows it's presense after you plug it ?
[01:11] <carthikSchool> ohgood, yeah, that is where I got the full path from
[01:11] <carthikSchool> ogra, well, it used to work on rh 7.0
[01:11] <ogra> Stereotype: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[01:11] <carthikSchool> ogra, that is what the previous owner of this machine used - I'm at an university
[01:11] <Stereotype> ogra: Official?
[01:12] <ogra> carthikSchool: dmesg shows you this path, but the device manager doesnt ???
[01:12] <cafuego> Stereotype: official. Just not reelase.
[01:12] <ogra> Stereotype: what do you mean with official...indeed
[01:12] <jmhodges> whoops, anyone else having dbus issues with the latest release in hoary?
[01:13] <DAC1138> isnt hoary still in pre-release?
[01:13] <jmhodges> well, yes..
[01:13] <ogra> DAC1138: yup
[01:13] <DAC1138> hmm.....answer solved then
[01:13] <ohgood> hmm, is debootstrap considered 'stable' on ubuntu ?
[01:13] <Stereotype> Official as in listed for download by Ubuntu themselves out of the RC phase.
[01:13] <carthikSchool> ogra, what would be the command line command to launch device manager?
[01:13] <ogra> carthikSchool: hal-device-manager
[01:13] <DAC1138> what made them choose the name hoary?
[01:13] <eruin> jesus
[01:13] <cafuego> Stereotype: No. not your definition of official. The normal definition of official does apply though.
[01:13] <eruin> a broken firefox package
[01:13] <eruin> o.O
[01:14] <eruin> it's unable tod ownload files :)
[01:14] <Stereotype> I just want stability, that's all.
[01:14] <cafuego> Probably hoary won't reelase until after Gnome 2.10 is out.
[01:14] <cafuego> Stereotype: You should be using Debian woody then.
[01:14] <flosch> Uhm
[01:14] <Stereotype> Nah, my friend knows a developer here.
[01:14] <ogra> Stereotype: then take warty
[01:14] <Stereotype> I am on Warty.
[01:15] <Stereotype> Warty64.
[01:15] <Xyverz> question - I DL'ed the Hoary ISO, but it seems to only be a live CD.
[01:15] <ogra> Stereotype: so stay with it
[01:15] <flosch> It's really bad to recommend woody :)
[01:15] <Xyverz> how do I install from this sucker?
[01:15] <Stereotype> I am.
[01:15] <ogra> Stereotype: and wait until april
[01:15] <flosch> it's _VERY_ old
[01:15] <crimsun> flosch: hmm, for what purpose, though? :)
[01:15] <_4strO> hi
[01:15] <flosch> hmm sarge? ;)
[01:15] <ohgood> Xyverz, you wasted time. just like me
[01:15] <cafuego> flosch: it's _VERY_ stable.
[01:15] <Stereotype> By my calculations a new Ubuntu should be out by late Feb.
[01:15] <crimsun> Stereotype: march-april more like it
[01:15] <eruin> then your calculation is wrong
[01:16] <ohgood> Xyverz, here's a howto for knoppix bootstrappin : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto
[01:16] <scoon> can anyone here tell me what versions of alsa-base and libasound2 they are currently using (hoary)?
[01:16] <eruin> hoary won't be out till gnome2.10
[01:16] <_4strO> what is the run command to make a synaptic launcher in root ?
[01:16] <flosch> a good mix between stability and up2date software
[01:16] <crimsun> scoon: I just told you.
[01:16] <Stereotype> 6 month release cycle.:-/
[01:16] <eruin> thats one of ubuntus main goals ffs
[01:16] <Xyverz> ohgood: heh.  ok, I'll look into that. thx!
[01:16] <eruin> to release alongside new gnome releases
[01:16] <scoon> crimsun, i know.  how about someone else please ?
[01:16] <cafuego> flosch: No, sarge has no security updates.
[01:16] <carthikSchool> ogra, yes, the device maanger does show an scsi device ...
[01:16] <ogra> Stereotype: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[01:16] <flosch> cafuego: it has!
[01:16] <carthikSchool> ogra, can I use that info to mount it or something?
[01:16] <cafuego> flosch: Having remote root holes doesn't qualify as 'stable'.
[01:16] <ohgood> Xyverz, np. of course, this is my third attempt at the install scripts.. seems to not like something about ubuntu <hint>
[01:16] <Stereotype> Whoa.
[01:17] <ogra> carthikSchool: it should show /dev/sdX in the first line
[01:17] <cafuego> flosch: Just coz there's a package list for sarge on security.d.o doesn't mean there are in fact packages there (there aren't)
[01:17] <Xyverz> ohgood: from the looks of things, I should just use my warty CD and apt-get dist-upgrade.
[01:17] <Xyverz> looks like it'll be much easier that way.
[01:17] <ohgood> Xyverz, quite
[01:17] <ogra> Stereotype: its quite safe to use the preview if its out then
[01:17] <cafuego> flosch: if you want a fixed sarge, you need to manaully fix those problems. (Which I do)
[01:17] <Stereotype> I can change all my sources.list to say hoary and be fine?
[01:18] <bitfoo> jes :|
[01:18] <ohgood> Xyverz, i don't tryst graphical installers though, i have too many partitions relying on my 2 /boot's, and kinda have to do this way.  :(
[01:18] <carthikSchool> ogra, it says /dev no where there, I clicked all the windows, and all the "Advanced" tabs too
[01:18] <kbrooks> yes
[01:18] <cafuego> Stereotype: As long as you dist-upgrade, yes.
[01:18] <ogra> carthikSchool: hmm
[01:18] <kbrooks> Stereotype, sed -e 's/warty/hoary/g' < /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:18] <ubuntunoob> hi
[01:18] <ubuntunoob> :P
[01:18] <flosch> cafuego: hmm .. i haven't had problems with sarge so far...
[01:19] <ohgood> bah. fourth attempt. oh well, i'll try ubuntu another day.
[01:19] <Xyverz> ohgood: the warty CD I have didn't seem to have a graphical installer... Unless you're considering the fb console to be graphic.
[01:19] <xvlun> hi , i'm trying to install some packages from hoary by unmasking them in my /etc/apt/preferences (http://rafb.net/paste/results/m5gxWV64.html), but apt wants to upgrade the whole system, any hints?
[01:19] <ubuntunoob> can anyone help me out with dual booting XP and ubuntu on two partitions?
[01:19] <flosch> cafuego: and debian provides security updates as well... so...
[01:19] <kbrooks> ask
[01:19] <xvlun> ubuntunoob, more detail please
[01:19] <carthikSchool> ogra, thanks a lot for trying to help. I think I will try another distro. I love ubuntu since it works so well for my laptop, but I guess the desktop doesn't play nice or something...
[01:20] <Stereotype> Bah, dinner time.
[01:20] <carthikSchool> ogra, later! thanks again
[01:20] <Stereotype> Hoary will have to wait.
[01:20] <ubuntunoob> xvlun ok
[01:20] <ogra> :/
[01:20] <ubuntunoob> well, i've got a 20gb hdd
[01:20] <ubuntunoob> i want to partition it
[01:20] <mebaran151> mplayer keeps complaining it cant attach the alsa mixer
[01:20] <ubuntunoob> and install XP Home and Ubuntu
[01:20] <mebaran151> what do I do
[01:20] <ubuntunoob> my 40gb hdd has all of my updates / files etc.
[01:21] <cafuego> flosch: Yes, debian provided updates for satble and unstable. They don't filter into testing for a week or two, normally. Which is enough time to have a server rooted twenty times over.
[01:21] <ubuntunoob> i just need a run-down as to how to approach this
[01:21] <ubuntunoob> any precautions
[01:21] <ubuntunoob> and some method to this madness
[01:21] <ubuntunoob> ;)
[01:21] <flosch> no - not unstable! i was talking about "sarge" == "testing"
[01:21] <cafuego> flosch: Yes. Sarge doesn't get fixes until they filter down from Sid. This takes time.
[01:22] <xvlun> i think you have to install win on a primary partition on the ide0 aka first port master disk anything else is up
[01:22] <xvlun> to you
[01:22] <flosch> uhm... okay..  i thought you was talking about a workstation ;) even.. my server runs sarge as well :)
[01:22] <ubuntunoob> well
[01:22] <ubuntunoob> this is on one hdd
[01:23] <ubuntunoob> so windows on prim, ubuntu on logical?
[01:23] <cafuego> Then again, my servers s
[01:23] <cafuego> Then again, my servers don't sit behind a NAT box, but they're exposed.
[01:23] <ubuntunoob> and do i need a sep partition for paging file?
[01:23] <cafuego> ubuntunoob: 1) Win 2) Ubuntu (/) 3) swap
[01:24] <ubuntunoob> cafuego, ok
[01:24] <kkj> ubuntunoob, if u format c:\ whit ntfs, u have to keep it under 8 gb..
[01:24] <ubuntunoob> i take it the ubuntu 2-cd edition has a partition manager?
[01:24] <cafuego> ubuntunoob: it has parted. I wouldn't recommend resizing existing windows partitions with it.
[01:24] <ubuntunoob> k
[01:24] <cafuego> kkj: Why is that?
[01:24] <ubuntunoob> well i'm reformatting
[01:25] <ubuntunoob> the 20gb at least
[01:25] <cafuego> ubuntunoob: Then you can make the partitions from the installer, yes.
[01:25] <ubuntunoob> k
[01:25] <ubuntunoob> so can i just make one fat32 partition
[01:25] <ubuntunoob> and let ubuntu to the rest
[01:25] <ubuntunoob> then afterwards, install xp?
[01:25] <cafuego> ubuntunoob: I'd start with XP actually.
[01:25] <xvlun> xp first
[01:25] <ubuntunoob> k
[01:26] <cafuego> ubuntunoob: It has a habit of destroying the Linux boot manager.
[01:26] <ubuntunoob> so install xp, keep it to say...7gb
[01:26] <ohgood> ubuntunoob: xp will overwrite stuffs, yes, do it first if you must at all.
[01:26] <ubuntunoob> then, with the unused space
[01:26] <ubuntunoob> install ubuntu
[01:26] <ubuntunoob> then grub takes over
[01:26] <ubuntunoob> and installs ubuntu
[01:26] <cafuego> ubuntunoob: You can make XP as big as you like. There are no limits.
[01:26] <ubuntunoob> and includes xp in the boot manager?
[01:26] <froust> Anyone else having problem with updating ubuntu?
[01:26] <cafuego> ubuntunoob: My C:\ is 50GB
[01:26] <ohgood> ubuntunoob: ya, nothing to it
[01:27] <ubuntunoob> well i'll want to make ubuntu sizeable
[01:27] <ubuntunoob> another question
[01:27] <ubuntunoob> my 40gb ntfs drive
[01:27] <kkj> I think grub needs to be installed whitin the first 8 Gb
[01:27] <cafuego> kkj: No, it doesn't.
[01:27] <ubuntunoob> can i get it to read my music with ubuntu?
[01:27] <kkj> hymm
[01:27] <ohgood> ubuntunoob: nothing to it
[01:27] <ubuntunoob> open the file manager
[01:27] <ogra> kkj: that was lilo .... back in the 90s
[01:27] <ubuntunoob> it'll turn up there
[01:27] <ubuntunoob> or do i need to map it
[01:27] <cafuego> kkj: I have 20-odd GB of Linux sitting at the end of an 80G drive, boots fine.
[01:27] <ohgood> ubuntunoob: mount /dev/hda* /mnt/MP3s
[01:27] <kkj> ok ;
[01:27] <kkj> :)
[01:28] <ubuntunoob> oic
[01:28] <ubuntunoob> and are there linux drivers for nvidia nforce2?
[01:28] <ubuntunoob> i got a soundstorm chip onboard
[01:28] <robertj> anyone have any thoughts about UML and ubuntu for testing purposes?
[01:28] <yo_fel> hey is there any known issue with hoary and nautilus-scripts?
[01:28] <ohgood> ubuntunoob: try n see, anything not exotic is linux-kewl
[01:28] <kkj> I had a problem when I installed Ubuntu and window2000...Fixed it when i made the first partision less than 8gb
[01:29] <ubuntunoob> ohgood,  ok
[01:29] <yo_fel> i don't have nautilus-scripts support.. (gnome 2.9.90)
[01:29] <cafuego> Windows2000 is somewhat more retarded about such things.
[01:29] <ogra> kkj: you could also have fixed it by changing the bios settings for LBA
[01:29] <ubuntunoob> and are there drivers for Soundblaster Live?
[01:29] <kkj> yep  I read that later ;)
[01:29] <jeebes> hi so I just booted up into the hoary live cd
[01:29] <cafuego> ubuntunoob: There seem to be, mine works fine.
[01:30] <ubuntunoob> ok
[01:30] <ubuntunoob> where you dl from?
[01:30] <jeebes> when I apt-cache search kde nothing comes up
[01:30] <jeebes> at least no kde
[01:30] <jeebes> is that all the packages I can access? whats the whole universe thing
[01:31] <cafuego> no kde? That's great!
[01:31] <jeebes> thats not graet
[01:31] <froust> I get this message when I try to update: "W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-amd64_packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:31] <froust> anyone knwo what that means?
[01:31] <ubuntunoob> cafuego, where you dl your drivers from?
[01:31] <ogra> froust: did you run: sudo apt-get update ?
[01:32] <froust> this was when i ran synaptic
[01:32] <xip> ubuntunoob: soundblaster live works "out of the box"
[01:32] <ubuntunoob> oh ok
[01:32] <ubuntunoob> great stuff
[01:32] <ubuntunoob> :D
[01:32] <Sav> My screen goes black after a while idle, iv checked the screensaver settings and it set om 4 hours. Any ideas?
[01:32] <ogra> froust: then hit the most left button
[01:32] <flosch> Sav: DRMS?
[01:32] <ubuntunoob> i think i'll do the partitioning thing now
[01:32] <ubuntunoob> thanks guys
[01:32] <ubuntunoob> i so owe you
[01:32] <Sav> flodin, DRMS? whats that?
[01:33] <Sav> flosch,
[01:33] <flosch> Sav: aeeh DPMS .. sorry
[01:33] <Sav> flosch, whats that ? =)
[01:33] <flosch> Sav: it automatically turns off the monitor after a while while he's bored.
[01:33] <Sav> =)
[01:34] <flosch> -while
[01:34] <Sav> where do i find that setting?
[01:34] <froust> ogra: thanks - wasn't sure if it was something to be concerned about or not
[01:34] <flosch> Sav: in /etc/X11/XF86Config*
[01:34] <kbrooks> s/while//g
[01:34] <Sav> flosch, ok thnx
[01:34] <ogra> froust: you just changed your repos to hoary, right ?
[01:34] <flosch> Sav: take a look at your "Monitor"-section
[01:34] <froust> nope
[01:35] <ogra> froust: oh
[01:35] <froust> yeah
[01:35] <froust> that's what confused me
[01:35] <Sav> flosch, Option "DPMS". do i just erase that line?
[01:35] <ogra> froust: does it work after the reload ?
[01:35] <t31> i lost my launch bars someone knows how to get'em back?
[01:35] <froust> yup
[01:35] <flosch> hm... uncomment it... set a "#" in front
[01:36] <ogra> froust: ok :)
[01:36] <Sav> flosch, ok ill hope thats save =)
[01:36] <kent> t31, those one the panel? just rightclick on the panel and add them back :)
[01:37] <flosch> Sav: yay it'll take effekt after you restart your xserver
[01:38] <t31> kent: no i lost both, was a problem with the ICEauthority file
[01:38] <yo_fel> is there any known issue with hoary and nautilus-scripts? i don't seem to get those running. followed ubuntu official wiki, everything else is just perfect :)
[01:38] <kent> t31, you lost both panels? im not sure what you lost, the panels.. the program launchers on the panels, etc?
[01:39] <tjs> can anyone tell me why the 2.6.10 kernel image in hoary doesnt have atheros modules (ath_pci etc) however these are present in the warty kernel and advertised as working on the ubuntu wiki?
[01:39] <t31> kent: i lost both panels my ICEauthority was corrupted and i have the desktop without any panel
[01:41] <kent> t31, have you tried to re-login? if they are removed, then rightclick on the desktop, and open a terminal. From that terminal you run "gnoma-panel". That way, you get one panel. Place it either ontop or bottom. Then add the applets as it was, and then rightclick on that panel and choose "new panel", and add stuff to that panel aswell. I dont think there is a more easy way to get it back as default, if you dont delete the user.. but thats not
[01:41] <kent> hing you want to do :)
[01:42] <ephic> ok i need some help lol
[01:42] <t31> kent: bash: gnome-panel: command not found
[01:42] <t31>  thats what i get
[01:42] <LinuxNoob> hello
[01:43] <LinuxNoob> i have a question about booting Ubuntu from a live CD
[01:43] <ephic> lets say.. you have a cable modem, into a router, and have them both into the router, one picks up on the dhcp server, where as the other doesn't.. would that be a network card driver problem?
[01:43] <tjs> is there anything like packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[01:43] <saif> hi every1, where do i find the file where u specify the source of repositories for apt-get ?? it ends somethn.source i think?
[01:43] <kent> t31, very strange. becaus you should have a program called gnome-panel
[01:44] <kent> t31, /usr/bin/gnome-panel
[01:44] <LinuxNoob> msg/ NickServe ProjectMayhem2
[01:44] <LinuxNoob> hm
[01:44] <LinuxNoob> that didn't work...
[01:44] <saif> tjs: i am new to this, but packages.debian.org works for ubuntu!
[01:44] <ogra> t31:did you install k3b before this happened ?
[01:44] <LinuxNoob> how do i burn the live cd?
[01:45] <t31> ogra: yeah
[01:45] <tjs> saif, for ubuntu specific packages?
[01:45] <kent> LinuxJones, in ubuntu?  just rightclick on the iso, and choose burn?
[01:45] <ogra> t31: did you delete ~/.ICEAuthority like the howto on ubuntulinux.org says ?
[01:46] <LinuxNoob> not in ubuntu, in windows
[01:46] <kinema> Can anyone point me to a doc on the topic of installing Ubuntu with a custom kernel?  In other words I want to inject a custom kernel into the install iso.  I've search the wiki but haven't been able to find anything.
[01:46] <t31> ogra: i dont know that how to, let me see
[01:46] <LinuxNoob> i downloaded the ISO file from the website, but when i tried to burn a bootable CD in Nero and boot my computer it didn't work...
[01:46] <ogra> LinuxNoob: did you use the "burn iso" function in nero ?
[01:47] <LinuxNoob> yeah, maybe i did something wrong in the boot process?
[01:47] <ogra> LinuxNoob: nope
[01:47] <ogra> LinuxNoob: at which speed did you burn ?
[01:47] <LinuxNoob> 16x
[01:47] <eruin> anyone in here decent at regexp?
[01:48] <t31> ogra: i cant find that how to :(
[01:48] <ogra> LinuxNoob: shouldnt be more then 8x, rather 4x
[01:48] <LinuxNoob> really? why is that?
[01:48] <saif> tjs: well, none that i know of, but again i am totally new to this, I am here looking for somethn very close to what u need, there is a configuration file where u specify the sources for the packages, and then synaptec gets a shit load of packages for ubuntu, no1 is telling me where to get that file though! :(
[01:48] <ogra> t31: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988
[01:49] <ogra> LinuxNoob: its a limitation of bootable CDs
[01:49] <LinuxNoob> o ok
[01:49] <LinuxNoob> thanks
[01:49] <LinuxNoob> then if the CD is in the drive will it automatically boot up ubuntu or will i have to hit f12?
[01:49] <kent> saif, you dont know how to add "universe" to synaptic/apt? that which brings you looots of packages?
[01:49] <saif> kent : exactrlY! :)
[01:50] <ogra> LinuxNoob: if your bios is set to boot from cd it will simply boot
[01:50] <saif> kent: i just need the file name and location
[01:50] <LinuxNoob> uh i couldn't find my bios, sad as that is
[01:50] <LinuxNoob> i'm on a dell dimension 8250, 2.66 p4 512mb ram
[01:51] <AzMoo> Guys, is it possible to get Rhythmbox to play mp3's?
[01:51] <ogra> LinuxNoob: normally you have to hit a F key on boot
[01:51] <kent> saif, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto#how-to-add-or-remove-a-repository-with-synaptic
[01:51] <ogra> AzMoo: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:51] <Guardiann> yeah alot of the time f2
[01:51] <AzMoo> ogra, thanks
[01:51] <ogra> AzMoo: from universe
[01:51] <LinuxNoob> ok, maybe the BIOS and "Setup" are the same thing then?
[01:51] <kinema> does Ubuntu use the debian-installer?
[01:51] <ogra> LinuxNoob: yup
[01:51] <Guardiann> yep they are
[01:51] <ogra> kinema: yup
[01:52] <marcin_ant> hello - how to install zope and plone on ubuntu - can someone tell me how to do this?
[01:52] <mchang> re all
[01:52] <kinema> ogra: thanks, i'll take my customization questions to the d-i folks then
[01:52] <saif> kent: thanx, i hope that will have the info i need!
[01:52] <kinema> marcin_ant: apt-get install plone
[01:52] <neighborlee> anyone heard how long packages.debian.org might be down ?
[01:52] <ogra> kinema: comer back if Kamion is around again, he is the d-i maintainer
[01:52] <marcin_ant> kinema: hahaha
[01:53] <kent> saif, hmm.. that page doesn't say explicitly to add universe, but in the repository menu for synaptic. you can uncomment a line with universe in it. Uncomment that, and restricted, multiverse.  Those are the sections you need to get more programs.
[01:53] <ogra> marcin_ant: he is right
[01:53] <mchang> Does the ubuntu debinstaller not have a network install option?
[01:53] <LinuxNoob> ok... from there my boot option is "hard drive, disk drive, and CD IDE drive" so i'm assuming i should uncheck hard drive and disk drive and just do CD IDE drive?
[01:53] <marcin_ant> kinema: apt-get install zope
[01:53] <bigtony> hile: anyone here ever put ubuntu on a dell inspiron 9100? i can't seem to get the wireless to work actually need as much help as possible cause i've never did wireless on linux thanks
[01:53] <bigtony> eer
[01:53] <bigtony> hile=question
[01:53] <ogra> marcin_ant: nope, plone
[01:53] <marcin_ant> kinema: Requires: python2.2-xml  but it is not installable
[01:53] <ogra> marcin_ant: it pulls zope in
[01:53] <ogra> marcin_ant: doesnt work on hoary currently
[01:54] <thenuke> http://69.44.61.80/6/userfiles/41fa12c33e798.jpg :D
[01:54] <ephic> anyone know if theres a linux driver site?
[01:54] <ephic> for like network cards.
[01:54] <saif> kent: i've already been in the repository thingie! the reason i need to know what the file is, because it has the sources commented and everythig, i just have to uncomment them!
[01:54] <ephic> and how do you configure your network while on gnome?
[01:54] <marcin_ant> ogra: nice... really nice
[01:54] <ogra> bigtony: look on the wiki, there is a hardware support site for laptops
[01:54] <stuNNed> marcin_ant: ?
[01:55] <ogra> marcin_ant: did nobody tell you that hoary is unstable ?
[01:55] <bigtony> ok good deal
[01:55] <LinuxNoob> is there a site on the wiki dedicated to live CD booting?
[01:55] <AzMoo> ogra, not suprisingly it worked! Thankyou.
[01:55] <thenuke> ephic: google the networkcards drivers
[01:55] <ogra> :)
[01:55] <thenuke> and then check if you have it already in your system
[01:55] <kent> saif, and the file is /etc/apt/sources.list,  but the repositories in synaptic ARE that file. The changes you make there, will be in sources.list :)
[01:55] <marcin_ant> ogra: ok - is unstable - and I can understand this - but then don't tell me that I should apt-get install plone to install plone when it is not installable
[01:55] <ogra> ephic: look in the computer menu
[01:56] <marcin_ant> stuNNed: ? what?
[01:56] <ogra> marcin_ant: i assume that people asking questions dont run hoary....sorry
[01:57] <kent> saif, i think this one explains better than the last one. Sorry for that. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:57] <ogra> marcin_ant: as there are a lot of warnings not to run hoary if you cant handle breakages ;)
[01:57] <saif> kent: yeah i know, only the repositoris in synaptec does not show the commented stuff ( the urls) which i don't know! thanx for the help!
[01:57] <stuNNed> marcin_ant: what do you expect?  things will break if you run hoary, that's why i stick to warty ;)
[01:58] <kent> saif, synaptic should show the uncommented lines if there are any. Perhaps you just dont know what to look for? :)
[01:58] <marcin_ant> ogra: in fact this is the only thing that is broken - I mean not installable
[01:58] <ogra> marcin_ant: nope, there is a lot more
[01:58] <bigtony> interesting the wiki says broadcom bcm4306 but i have a bcm94306 i'm wondering if the ndiwrapper wil work
[01:58] <marcin_ant> ogra: well, right - broken on _my_ desktop
[01:59] <kinema> marcin_ant: initally you didn't mention that it was not installable you simply asked how to install zope and plone.
[01:59] <ogra> marcin_ant: you could try becoming a MOTU .... and fixing it ;)
[01:59] <marcin_ant> ogra: anyway I don't care about zope too much - I just wanted to create theme on website competition ;)
[01:59] <stuNNed> marcin_ant: and something different may break the next day or the day after.
[02:00] <marcin_ant> stuNNed: but it is really first broken package on my hoary
[02:00] <ogra> marcin_ant: yeah.... as my GF wanted....so she just installed warty...
[02:00] <warty> is it possible to install from a ubuntu live cd?
[02:01] <marcin_ant> ogra: no no I won't install warty - I really like gnome 2.9.x and don't want to switch back to 2.8
[02:01] <ogra> warty: not yet...next release
[02:01] <robertj> (best:9614): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: specified instance size for type `GtkMozEmbed' is smaller than the parent type's `GtkBin' instance size
[02:01] <robertj> what would cause that to get thrown by best
[02:01] <warty> thanks!
[02:01] <ogra> marcin_ant: then it will get hard if nobody fixes plone....
[02:02] <saif> kent: very possible! :b
[02:02] <marcin_ant> heh ok - and there is another question - how to configure gprs connection?
[02:02] <ogra> marcin_ant: 31. jan is quite near
[02:02] <marcin_ant> ogra: I'll try zope-2.7
[02:02] <ogra> marcin_ant: i would fix it, but i'm very short of time this weekend....
[02:03] <marcin_ant> ogra: and another thing is that I have older packages that are isntallable
[02:03] <ogra> marcin_ant: yeah, thats an opportunity
[02:03] <t31> ogra: from this steps i did skip the kcontrol one which i have installed right now
[02:03] <ogra> t31: it sets the permissions k3b needs (unfortunately)
[02:04] <t31> ogra: i dont get u
[02:04] <marcin_ant> ogra: heh not it isn't
[02:04] <ogra> marcin_ant: why
[02:04] <marcin_ant> ogra: plone doesn't want to install with zope-2.7
[02:04] <ogra> marcin_ant: ah, ok
[02:05] <ogra> t31: it sets cdrecord to run as root which is not very secure....
[02:05] <marcin_ant> ogra: BTW do you know something about website competition?
[02:06] <ogra> marcin_ant: not very much... there have been some submissions i heard, but i havent seen one yet
[02:06] <t31> ogra: :P i c how con i get this panels back?
[02:06] <ogra> t31: normally running gnome-panel in a terminal should be enough
[02:06] <marcin_ant> ogra: it would be nice to get some previrews of already submitted works
[02:06] <t31> ogra: yeap but it says i dont have such command
[02:07] <ogra> marcin_ant: i'll ask jdub if i see him...
[02:07] <ephic> ok im trying to install the newest nvidia drivers. and when i exit x and try to install it through shell.. it says 'cant find kernel tree' and bla blah, anyone know how to fix?
[02:07] <ogra> t31: hmm, did you uninstall it ?
[02:08] <ephic> How do I install linux?
[02:08] <ephic> j/k
[02:08] <ephic> ;P
[02:08] <ogra> ephic: there is a ubuntu package for that and you dont need to exit X
[02:08] <t31> ogra: nop i had a problem with the ICEaut... and i had to boot in a safe-terminal and type sudo chown user:user .ICEauthority
[02:08] <froust> if i have a file belonging to root, how would i chown it to belong to me?
[02:08] <geppy> ephic:  Don't install NVidia with the NVidia package.
[02:09] <ogra> ephic: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:09] <geppy> ephic:  sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel... just follow ogra's link.
[02:09] <ogra> t31: when you installed k3b, how did you do it ?
[02:10] <t31> ogra: sudo apt-get install k3b
[02:10] <ogra> t31: did anything get uninstalled then ?
[02:10] <JAYSEE> hey guys!
[02:10] <t31> ogra: nop :(
[02:10] <ogra> t31: type: locate gnome-panel
[02:11] <ogra> t31: should spit out a lot
[02:11] <JAYSEE> quick question: trying to enable windows networking.... says i need SMB support - don't have a clue what that is!
[02:11] <t31> ogra: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[02:11] <JAYSEE> that wasn't a question...lol.... missing a '?'
[02:12] <ogra> t31: run: sudo updatedb -u &
[02:12] <JAYSEE> never the less... anyone have any ideas?
[02:12] <ogra> t31: your disk will start to work heavily....
[02:12] <xip> ogra: t31 has logged-out
[02:13] <ephic> ok it says nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx arent found
[02:13] <ephic> whatsup wit that
[02:13] <ogra> ephic: you enabled universe ?
[02:13] <mike1_> anyone have php support for apache set-up?
[02:13] <ephic> in sources list it says universe ya
[02:13] <ephic> next to the links
[02:13] <JAYSEE> mike: no but i will when i've sorted out the basics!
[02:13] <ogra> ephic: is it enabled ?
[02:13] <ephic> how would you enable it?
[02:14] <JAYSEE> had a win server running.. decided to switch
[02:14] <mike1_> also can't login to webmin as I don't know the systems root passwd?
[02:14] <ogra> ephic: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[02:14] <ephic> er ya
[02:14] <ephic> synaptic works fine for packages
[02:14] <ogra> ephic: look at the second shot
[02:14] <ogra> ephic: make your repos look like this
[02:15] <EvolutionR> pppoeconf have any GUI mode? And how to stop the connection? Any guide on pppoeconf website?
[02:15] <ogra> ephic: dont forget to hit reload
[02:15] <LucidVisions> hello eveyone, I have a unique situation for ya
[02:15] <mebaran151> anyone know how to make a desktop icon in gnome
[02:16] <Rattboi> yo
[02:16] <mebaran151> I tried creating an icon by creating a launcher
[02:16] <ogra> LucidVisions: i dounbt it....shoot
[02:16] <mebaran151> and that was less than successful
[02:16] <ogra> -n
[02:16] <Rattboi> as soon as I can find a blank CDR, I'm gonna try Ubuntu Live CD on PPC
[02:16] <geppy> mebaran151: Why not just create a link?
[02:16] <mebaran151> oh
[02:16] <LinuxNoob> ogra: you said 8x was the max burn speed of Live CD?
[02:16] <geppy> mebaran151:   Use Nautilus to create a link.
[02:16] <mike1_> interstingly under modules in /etc/apache2/ and modules- availabe no mention of php after loaded from snaptic
[02:16] <mebaran151> what is a launcher
[02:16] <ogra> LinuxNoob: yup
[02:16] <ogra> LinuxNoob: btter 4x
[02:16] <geppy> mebaran151:  A launcher, as far as I know, is only used in the panels.
[02:16] <ogra> better even
[02:16] <mebaran151> I dont want to have to write a simple shell cript
[02:16] <LinuxNoob> ogra: and then that should work if i boot from CD?
[02:17] <mike1_> the server aspect of ubuntu is lacking
[02:17] <ogra> mebaran151: drag with the middle button
[02:17] <geppy> mebaran151:  If you use a link created by Nautilus, you won't even have to touch your keyboard.  =)
[02:17] <ogra> LinuxNoob: yep
[02:17] <LinuxNoob> ogra: thanks so much
[02:17] <mebaran151> heheh
[02:17] <geppy> mike:  Ubuntu isn't intended for servers;  it's a personal desktop.
[02:17] <mebaran151> but i need to give it a full command
[02:17] <bigtony> ogra any suggestion on getging the ethernet card to work so i can download ndiwrapper ? i went to /etc/network/interfaces and added the dhcp stuff but it doesn't seem to work on the lappy works fine on the desktop
[02:17] <geppy> mebaran151:  what is the command?
[02:17] <mebaran151> I want it to run xmms play.pls
[02:17] <mike1_> it's ok as a desktop
[02:17] <mebaran151> well xmms /home/mebaran/play.pls
[02:18] <LucidVisions> I have a IBM netfinity server with 3 scsi harddrives,no optical drives at all,acually there is no way i can get one either.But i have warty installed,
[02:18] <Orcristq> sup fellow ubuntuers
[02:18] <Adrenal> the sky
[02:18] <ogra> bigtony: wasnt it configured at install time ?
[02:18] <LinuxNoob> :-/ this cd burn could take a while...
[02:18] <Orcristq> what exactly would I have to do to get my tty consoles to increase resolution, and maybe add a background of sorts (i.e. the ctrl-alt-f1 console in suse)?
[02:18] <mike1_> but real player and no real support for mp3
[02:18] <bigtony> no i didn't have it connected at the time
[02:18] <EvolutionR> mebaran151: is just like a shortcut programs
[02:18] <bigtony> so i did it without being online
[02:18] <ogra> LucidVisions: how did you install then ?
[02:18] <LucidVisions> it was pre installed by a friend,
[02:19] <Orcristq> right now they're dog ugly and using what appears to be the standard bios font
[02:19] <LucidVisions> but how could i reinstall?
[02:19] <LucidVisions> network boot?
[02:19] <EvolutionR> And how to stop the connection? Any guide on pppoeconf website?
[02:19] <ogra> LucidVisions: why reinstall ?
[02:19] <LinuxNoob> ogra: if i boot with live CD will i be able to get online right away or will i have to configure my network settings and stuff?
[02:19] <LinuxNoob> also anyone know how to change my nickname???
[02:19] <LucidVisions> ogra: Its having some problems,
[02:19] <geppy> mebaran151:  Hrmph.  I dunno, I guess a launcher would do the trick.  Is that not working?
[02:20] <froust> Is there an easy way to resize a large number of pictures (all from the same digital camera - size/resolution is constant)?
[02:20] <geppy> mebaran151:  with the command " xmms /home/mebaran/play.pls", and the name "XMMS"?
[02:20] <ogra> LucidVisions: kind of ?
[02:20] <Orcristq> LinuxNoob, to change your name type /nick name
[02:20] <bigtony> in my interface file i have auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp name Ethernet Lan card that should work should it not?
[02:20] <EvolutionR> Anyone knows how to disconnect the DSL connection on the pppoeconf?
[02:20] <projectmayhem> hey this is linuxnoob
[02:20] <marcin_ant> ogra: I'm just installing plone ;)
[02:20] <ogra> marcin_ant: yay
[02:20] <marcin_ant> ogra: first I installed zopectl from universe
[02:20] <Adrenal> hey, tell you what sucks?
[02:20] <Adrenal> windows
[02:20] <Adrenal> BAM
[02:21] <projectmayhem> anyways are there major network problems? i was hoping to run gaim and firefox as soon as i got running
[02:21] <marcin_ant> ogra: then I removed universe from repos
[02:21] <Orcristq> LinuxNoob, the ubuntu live CD will allow you access to the internet... it autoconfigures your interface via dhcp
[02:21] <projectmayhem> ok, thanks orcristq
[02:21] <ogra> LinuxNoob: it should work right away ...
[02:22] <bigtony> isn't hte command ifdown -a to bring it down and ifup -a to bring it back up after modifing interface file?
[02:22] <LucidVisions> kernel wise, When it boots up, the kernel is having 3 fatal errors,um....hahah, im not thinking,could i just recompile the modules into a new kernel?
[02:22] <marcin_ant> ogra: and then added this repo: deb http://nathan.faho.rwth-aachen.de/debian/zope/ ./
[02:23] <ogra> marcin_ant: :(
[02:23] <projectmayhem> does ubuntu come with java IDE installed?
[02:23] <marcin_ant> ogra: apt-get update (to remove broken packages from universe)
[02:23] <ogra> marcin_ant: you will get problems !
[02:23] <Adrenal> projectmayhem: no
[02:23] <marcin_ant> ogra: and then apt-get install plone
[02:23] <projectmayhem> ok so i have to download that?
[02:23] <marcin_ant> ogra: hmm why?
[02:23] <Adrenal> projectmayhem: ubuntuguide.org
[02:23] <projectmayhem> it comes with python right?
[02:23] <ogra> LucidVisions: pciehp ?
[02:23] <projectmayhem> ok thanks
[02:23] <nevyn> projectmayhem: there are several in universe tho. and you would need to install the java sdk if you want sun java.
[02:24] <froust> Can anyone tell me what a bogomip is?
[02:24] <LucidVisions> ogra: wow,,thats exactly it,,youre psychc
[02:24] <ogra> marcin_ant: because you cant use universe anymore without uninstalling plone
[02:24] <LucidVisions> hehe
[02:24] <ogra> LucidVisions: known ...
[02:24] <Amaranth> froust: A billion nop instructions in a second, iirc.
[02:24] <ogra> LucidVisions: they are cosmetic issues, its just a weird way to tell you there is no such HW
[02:25] <marcin_ant> ogra: ieee I don't care - I want to create theme - submit to competition and remove plone :D
[02:25] <drspin> my computer won't play tracks done in trommler...
[02:25] <Rattboi> bogo?
[02:25] <Rattboi> what's the 'ogo' part stand for?
[02:25] <ogra> marcin_ant: ok :)
[02:25] <Rattboi> bips would be billion instructions per second
[02:25] <LucidVisions> ogra: thanks dude, i was worrying for nothing then, cause its running fine and all, i was just worried that it was more serious,thanks a million
[02:26] <nevyn> Rattboi: which billion?
[02:26] <LucidVisions> im pretty happy with the system over all though,it has 3 scsi 15000 rpm drives
[02:26] <ogra> LucidVisions: there are several hints in the wiki how to get rid of the errors....
[02:27] <ogra> LucidVisions: if they annoy you ;)
[02:27] <ogra> Rattboi: its a funny name invention of linus torvalds ....
[02:28] <usual> whats the link to the new live cd
[02:28] <marcin_ant> ogra: ok - I got zope - could you tell me in two words how to run this to get zope on http://localhost:8080?
[02:28] <LucidVisions> ogra: cool, its ok. Hey the funny thing is that it has no optical drive, so that I will not be able to install Windowz,hehe
[02:28] <ogra> marcin_ant: thats exactly what my GF just asked
[02:28] <LucidVisions> its his way for me to buckle down and get serious with linux
[02:28] <ogra> lol
[02:29] <marcin_ant> ogra: :)
[02:29] <marcin_ant> ogra: it works like tomcat I suppose
[02:29] <froust> has anyone tried out the k8 kernel?
[02:29] <ogra> marcin_ant: i have no idea... lemme check at GFs pc
[02:29] <mebaran151> anyone know a good tiny distro
[02:29] <marcin_ant> ogra: but I'm not sure how to run this.. /etc/init.d/zope start ?
[02:29] <LucidVisions> ogra: your the man,thanks again,,laterz all
[02:30] <mebaran151> I gave an ubuntu install CD to a friend with a really old 400 mhz PII
[02:30] <ogra> froust: i'm running it here
[02:30] <mebaran151> to get her into Linux
[02:30] <usual> whats the link to the new live cd
[02:30] <ogra> froust: its only for amd64
[02:30] <mebaran151> but the problem was it was not quite up to the limited resources
[02:30] <froust> notice much of a difference between amd64-generic and amd64-k8?
[02:30] <froust> i know
[02:30] <ogra> froust: sure... its optimized
[02:30] <froust> hrm.
[02:30] <froust> last time i tried, my resolutions got all buggered up
[02:31] <theine> is there a way to find out what keeps my harddrive spinning?
[02:32] <bigtony> anyone here run a dell inspiron 9100?
[02:32] <Guardiann> theine its a mouse
[02:33] <froust> ogra: what packages do i need to d/l for it?
[02:34] <theine> Guardiann: i already suspected that
[02:34] <ogra> froust: i think its linux-k8
[02:34] <theine> i mean does anybody know how to use gamin?
[02:34] <froust> well
[02:34] <froust> i'm going to give it a shot :D
[02:34] <froust> wish me luck
[02:34] <projectmayhem> thanks for the help all
[02:35] <Adrenal> theine: cedega
[02:35] <auto> big magnumz
[02:35] <auto> er wrong chan
[02:36] <theine> Adrenal: i mean gamin, the file alteration monitor...
[02:36] <froust> should i install the restricted modules too?
[02:36] <Adrenal> theine: uh....i know...honest
[02:36] <froust> or just linux-image-2.6.10-2-amd64-k8?
[02:37] <br33zy> are there special isos for the hoary release of ubuntu?
[02:37] <br33zy> or can that be installed via the warty isos of ubuntu?
[02:37] <bigtony> any idea ogra?
[02:37] <Guardiann> br33zy just update from warty
[02:38] <theine> Adrenal: so what does cedega have to do with that?
[02:38] <br33zy> Guardiann, ah, ok
[02:38] <br33zy> Guardiann, is that the official way
[02:38] <Adrenal> theine: i was joking, i thought u meant gaming
[02:38] <treed> can you use cat to copy an ISO to a hard drive?
[02:38] <Guardiann> not sure if its the "Official" way  but it works well
[02:38] <treed> (from source cd)
[02:38] <theine> Adrenal: i see
[02:38] <br33zy> Guardiann, alright, thanks
[02:38] <Guardiann> yw
[02:39] <marcin_ant> ogra: crazy - I got zope running (/etc/init.d/zope start) but nothing on localhost:8080
[02:39] <marcin_ant> ogra: could you help me a little?
[02:40] <Orcristq> what exactly would I have to do to get my tty consoles to increase resolution, and maybe add a background of sorts (i.e. the ctrl-alt-f1 console in suse)
[02:40] <Orcristq> it looks horrible at the 640x480 or whatever it is
[02:41] <antec_> hi guys always when I booted into ubuntu I had sound and today there is no sound any ideas why sound all of a sudden disappears?
[02:41] <geppy|away> How can you add emblems to Nautilus?
[02:41] <geppy|away> antec_:  pgrep esd
[02:41] <Adrenal> antec_: reboot?
[02:41] <Adrenal> antec_: and specs?
[02:41] <fhobia> how do you tell if you have 32 or 64 bit ubuntu installed ?
[02:42] <geppy|away> fhobia: uname -r
[02:42] <Quest-Master> There is a guide on how to install Cedega CVS for Ubuntu at the forums
[02:42] <EfaistOs> when the next warty is coming out ?
[02:42] <Quest-Master> Could anyone link me to it?
[02:42] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  No.
[02:42] <antec_> I rebooted few times and still no sound
[02:42] <Orcristq> can I do that from inittab?
[02:42] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  Don't.
[02:42] <froust> whee!
[02:42] <froust> it worked
[02:42] <Quest-Master> Efaist0s: It is called Hoary
[02:42] <antec_> and checked live cd and no prob with sound there
[02:42] <Quest-Master> Efaist0s: It is coming out in early March.
[02:42] <Quest-Master> geppy: What? Why?
[02:43] <ogra> marcin_ant: try www.zope.org , there are several books on zope...
[02:43] <antec_> geppy/away I tried pgrep esd and nothing happens
[02:43] <geppy|away> antec_:  run 'esd'
[02:43] <bigtony> is there a way to modprobe the broadcom bcm4401 100base T card?
[02:44] <antec_> it says esd is already running
[02:44] <geppy|away> Quest-Master: http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Subscribing_vs_Building_from_CVS
[02:44] <geppy|away> antec_:  What isn't using sound?
[02:44] <ogra> bigtony: you will need ndiswrapper i think
[02:44] <geppy|away> antec_:  *what isn't working?
[02:44] <marcin_ant> ogra: ok but (from zope.org) Important note: If you installed Zope from an RPM or a another "vendor distribution" instead of installing a Zope Corporation-distributed binary or source release, the instructions below may be not be applicable.
[02:44] <bigtony> ok
[02:44] <bigtony> but how do i get it if i have no connection :(
[02:44] <ogra> bigtony: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper/
[02:45] <antec_> geppy/away no sound at all in gnome
[02:45] <marcin_ant> ogra: and it is really strange - /etc/init.d/zope start runs without errors
[02:45] <ogra> bigtony: how are you online now ?
[02:45] <ogra> marcin_ant: you have to set it up
[02:45] <geppy> antec_:  try running gstreamer-properties
[02:45] <ogra> marcin_ant: GF is struggling too here
[02:45] <marcin_ant> ogra: in /var/log/zope/z2-detailed.log i got info that system started
[02:45] <bigtony> differnet pc
[02:45] <geppy> antec_:  See if it's set to ESD.  If it isn't, set it to ESD.  If it is, press "Test."
[02:45] <ogra> marcin_ant: it runs on any 9xxx port
[02:46] <marcin_ant> ogra: but nothing on localhost:8080 - stupid.. :(
[02:46] <marcin_ant> ogra: ok - I'll try
[02:46] <Quest-Master> geppy: I don't want to pay $5 for a product I might use once or twice to play some computer games
[02:46] <Quest-Master> $5 per month, correction.
[02:46] <geppy> Quest-Master:  That sucks.
[02:46] <ogra> marcin_ant: look at the output of: ps ax
[02:46] <geppy> Quest-Master:  It's $15, for a pretty badass product.
[02:47] <Quest-Master> :\
[02:47] <geppy> Quest-Master:  If you can't pay that, then you have no business playing non-free games.
[02:47] <Quest-Master> My coomputer isn't even that great.
[02:47] <Quest-Master> *computer
[02:47] <Quest-Master> I just want to use it for some free games me and some friends like to play.
[02:47] <Quest-Master> Such as Soldat.
[02:47] <geppy> Quest-Master:  Well, then play Tetris and be content.
[02:47] <Quest-Master> Is that really such a sin?
[02:47] <Quest-Master> Oh wow.
[02:47] <Quest-Master> Thanks for being so hostile.
[02:47] <Quest-Master> :x
[02:47] <geppy> Quest-Master: ...when did I say it was a sin?  CVS isn't going to work.  I'm _trying_ to help you.
[02:48] <Quest-Master> No, you aren't. You're pretty much insulting me, and not in a sarcastic way.
[02:48] <geppy> Quest-Master:  Did you read the article I linked to, or are you just trying to be difficult?
[02:48] <Quest-Master> Uh, I read it.
[02:48] <Quest-Master> I am not trying to be difficult.
[02:48] <geppy> Quest-Master:  I'm not insulting you.  I'm telling you that Cedega CVS _doesn't_ work.
[02:49] <geppy> Quest-Master:  Neither am I.
[02:49] <marcin_ant> ogra: ouu yeah thanks a lot
[02:49] <antec_> geppy its weird "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD "
[02:49] <geppy> Quest-Master:  I can't fix Cedega CVS for you, so don't act like it's my fault that it's useless.
[02:49] <Quest-Master> I know it works for many people, and I will try it on my own. Thank you for whatever help you were trying to offer.
[02:49] <Quest-Master> ;)
[02:49] <geppy> antec_:  try 'killall esd && esd'
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> geppy:  you mean as of now it doesn't work righ?
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> right
[02:50] <geppy> Quest-Master: I sincerely wish you good luck, but I must tell you that I don't foresee much success.
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> I have used cedega CVS with success
[02:50] <geppy> HrdwrBoB:  Right.  It used to work alright.
[02:50] <Quest-Master> geppy: Thanks.
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> I have also purchased cedega
[02:50] <marcin_ant> marcin_ant: your GF has this solution too?
[02:50] <geppy> HrdwrBoB:  As have I.  and I have canceled my subscription, as well.  But Cedega CVS is indeed useless, at this point.
[02:51] <geppy> Quest-Master:  If you insist on installing Cedega from CVS, I can find you a script.
[02:51] <geppy> Quest-Master:  I promise you, it isn't much use.
[02:51] <Quest-Master> geppy: There is no harm in trying. ;) Please link me.
[02:51] <geppy> Quest-Master:  Alright, hold on.  =)
[02:52] <Quest-Master> :)
[02:52] <geppy> Quest-Master:  http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[02:53] <geppy> Quest-Master:  Sorry for being such an ass, I'm just in a sour mood. =)
[02:54] <Quest-Master> geppy: :) No problem.
[02:54] <geppy> =)
[02:56] <geppy> Anyone know how to actually make vi not use autoindent?  I'm using 'set noai', and it accepts that... and then ignores it.
[02:58] <antec_> geppy I tried killall esd && esd and still no sound
[02:59] <nevyn> geppy: set nocindent
[02:59] <geppy> neyvn:  Thanks!
[02:59] <Guardiann> antec_ whats wrong with your sound?
[03:00] <nevyn> geppy: ai just preserves the current indentation level
[03:00] <nevyn> you manually controll it tho.
[03:00] <antec_> Guardian I had sound in gnome each time I logged in and today its gone
[03:00] <nevyn> cindent is actual automated syntax based indenting.
[03:00] <Guardiann> you upgrade at all?
[03:01] <antec_> I only did apt-get update that's all
[03:01] <geppy> neyvn:  Oh, cool.  And how can I change the length of tab characters? I'd like to change it to two characters.  Is that possible?
[03:01] <nevyn> geppy: set tabsize=2
[03:01] <Guardiann> warty or hoary?
[03:01] <Rattboi> 4x cd writer = :( :( :(
[03:02] <Rattboi> waiting another 8 minutes for my Hoary PPC Live CD
[03:02] <geppy> nevyn:  Thanks!
[03:02] <geppy> nevyn:  Hmm..  It doesn't accept that as a valid command.
[03:02] <antec_> Guardiann I have warty, I gave cds to my friend and sound also disappeared but he only tested live cd
[03:03] <nevyn> tabwidth maybe
[03:03] <geppy> nevyn:  "tabstop" is the only thing starting with tab that I'm getting.
[03:04] <jono> which package in ubuntu gives me the functionality to deal with gconf in python?
[03:04] <nevyn> that's it.
[03:06] <LinuxJones> jono, gconf is written in perl I think
[03:07] <jono> LinuxJones, in Perl?
[03:07] <antec_> I killed esd && esd how do I start it again?
[03:08] <DAC1138> anyone here have a wifi card?
[03:08] <jono> DAC1138, yep
[03:08] <LinuxJones> jono, maybe I have had 1 too many beer :D
[03:08] <jono> LinuxJones, heh
[03:08] <jono> LinuxJones, :D
[03:08] <DAC1138> jono, what one?
[03:09] <DAC1138> ive got a belkin F5D6020 version 2, im trying to get it working now
[03:09] <JohnQ> ndiswrapper is your friend for getting wifi cards to work
[03:09] <DAC1138> yeah, im looking into that already
[03:10] <bigtony> how about getting ethernet to work?
[03:10] <bigtony> wired
[03:10] <DAC1138> my last attempt with ndis didnt work
[03:10] <zenwhen> an even better option is to get a wireless card with an atheros or amtel chipset
[03:10] <DAC1138> bigtony, how do you think im on now? telepathic?
[03:10] <bigtony> :)
[03:10] <JohnQ> once you already own one you're stuck with it (like my DWL-650)
[03:10] <DAC1138> zenwhen, excellent, the belkin i have is an atmel chip card
[03:10] <bigtony> probably the ame way i am
[03:11] <bigtony> i'm o n a different pc :)
[03:11] <bigtony> but broadcom is giving me crap on the lappy
[03:11] <jono> DAC1138, centrino
[03:11] <Quest-Master> I'm having to launch up an installer in Wine
[03:11] <jono> DAC1138, is that the PCI card?
[03:11] <Quest-Master> And it goes into full screen
[03:11] <JohnQ> which broadcom bigtony?
[03:11] <Quest-Master> Sometimes, it freezes up or hangs
[03:11] <DAC1138> jono, its pcmcia
[03:11] <Quest-Master> And I can't exit out since it is full screen
[03:12] <Quest-Master> Is there any shortcut to kill the Wine server?
[03:12] <Quest-Master> So I can return to my Gnome desktop
[03:12] <geppy> Quest-Master:  CTRL-ALT-F2, login, killall -9 wine, killall -9 wineserver
[03:12] <geppy> Quest-Master:  CTRL-ALT-F7
[03:12] <Quest-Master> F2 or F7?
[03:12] <Quest-Master> Oh
[03:12] <Quest-Master> I get it.
[03:12] <geppy> Quest-Master:  I tell you, Cedega CVS is practically useless.
[03:12] <Quest-Master> Understood.
[03:12] <geppy> Quest-Master:  =D
[03:12] <jono> DAC1138, is that the 54g card?
[03:12] <DAC1138> these ndiswrapper tutorials are telling me to get these files i dont have
[03:13] <Quest-Master> geppy: I suppose so. When I get some extra money in my Paypal account, I might try it
[03:13] <DAC1138> thats the same problem i had last time i tried to get it work before i gave up
[03:13] <DAC1138> jono, it says 802.11b, but really its an 802.11g chipset
[03:14] <bigtony> funny is from sites i read with ubuntu it says the bcm4401 installed and works great thats the same card i have :(
[03:14] <jono> DAC1138, I used to have a belkin pcmcia card and I wrote a guide on jonobacon.org about how to set it up
[03:15] <JohnQ> I'm running with BCM4401 and it worked perfectly after the install
[03:15] <bigtony> well what am i doing wrong here
[03:15] <JohnQ> you need a kernel >= 2.4.24
[03:16] <geppy> Quest-Master:  Good luck. =)  I must warn you, though... Cedega isn't a solution for everybody, either.  If you want to play GTA, CS, and *craft, it should be fine.  But check the wiki for working games before you subscribe.
[03:16] <JohnQ> what about it isn't working?
[03:16] <bigtony> if your asking me it will not assign a dhcp
[03:17] <cj1> i'm just about fed up with XP and am ready to switch to Linux. Ububtu is the slickest of the Live CD's i've tried so far with SUSE comeing in 2nd :)
[03:17] <bigtony> i took winblows off of it
[03:17] <cj1> Ubuntu even
[03:17] <bigtony> and tried ubuntu but it will not assign me an ip
[03:17] <bigtony> i tried the live cd same thing
[03:18] <JohnQ> that's strange.  Windows worked with it, I imagine?\
[03:18] <cj1> i was amazed that booting from the live cd worked so well
[03:18] <bigtony> of course
[03:18] <cj1> is there decent drivers for a radeon 9700 pro?
[03:18] <Quest-Master> geppy: Yup. :)
[03:18] <bigtony> it probably needs to be modprobed
[03:18] <bigtony> but i don't know the correct module
[03:18] <bigtony> i'm guessing b44
[03:19] <JohnQ> I think that's it
[03:19] <bigtony> look in your lsmod and tell me if b44 has a 0 next to it
[03:19] <bigtony> if you don't mind
[03:19] <JohnQ> mine's built into the kernel
[03:20] <bigtony> cause mine says b44 19972 0
[03:20] <JohnQ> yeah, module is b44 though
[03:20] <JohnQ> your lspci says the card exists?
[03:20] <bigtony> and when ifup -a it says set failed eth0; operation not supported
[03:20] <bigtony> yeah
[03:20] <bigtony> i see it clear as day
[03:21] <JohnQ> try dhclient eth0
[03:21] <JohnQ> sudo'ing so su'd
[03:21] <bigtony> well it might help if i connect :)
[03:21] <bigtony> gotta p ull the wire
[03:22] <HillTop> Is there a special way to boot the new hoary-live-i386 as a live CD? I boot it (down loaded from distrowatch) up and it is an install version and appears to onbly be install. :|
[03:22] <socomm> Hello, the Xfce hoary package is it 4.2.0?
[03:22] <DAC1138> how do i make it so gnome doesnt open a separate window when i browse files?
[03:23] <Quest-Master> DAC1138: Use Nautilus in browser mode
[03:23] <Quest-Master> Edit -> Preferences -> Behavior -> Behavior -> Always open in browser windows
[03:23] <socomm> DAC1138: Applications->System->Configuration Editor
[03:24] <socomm> DAC1138: I guess Quest-Master method would be alot faster.
[03:24] <DAC1138> thanks
[03:24] <geppy> How can you add emblems to nautilus?
[03:25] <JohnQ> socomm: If you wanted XFCE and didn't mind compiling it there's a nice guide at http://www.tuxme.com/node/358
[03:25] <geppy> I'd like to add a hand to signify the shared folder (would help my friends/family find their way around).
[03:25] <JohnQ> I'm running 4.2 right now
[03:25] <FR500> hello
[03:25] <FR500> i can't get printing through samba to work
[03:25] <FR500> it works on fc3 though
[03:26] <FR500> but ubuntu is better for me
[03:26] <socomm> JohnQ: I'm just curious to know if 4.2 is in the hoary repo.
[03:26] <socomm> Maybe multivere or universe.
[03:27] <JohnQ> it appears that it might be (reading ubuntuforums)
[03:27] <socomm> Guess not, it's 4.0.6
[03:27] <socomm> Get:8 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe xfwm4 4.0.6-1 [523kB] 
[03:28] <socomm> I'll just install it via the GUI installer.
[03:32] <ubuntu> yo
[03:32] <FR500> yo
[03:32] <Rattboi24> ppc live cd works
[03:32] <Rattboi24> and it seems really nice
[03:32] <Rattboi24> I mean, I use ubuntu on my pc desktop, but its really fast on this iBook
[03:33] <Rattboi24> my desktop sucks though
[03:33] <Cloudchaser> i tried the hoary one last week but it had some problems with my laptop
[03:34] <Cloudchaser> so far knoppix is the nicest live cd i've found...was hoping hoary was like it only with gnome
[03:34] <geppy|away> Cloudchaser:  Gnoppix is Ubuntu based.
[03:34] <Cloudchaser> thats the one i tried
[03:34] <geppy|away> Oh.
[03:34] <geppy|away> Did you try the Ubuntu live-CD?
[03:34] <geppy|away> It's probably better, anyways.
[03:35] <Cloudchaser> not yet...i downloaded and burned it
[03:35] <Cloudchaser> i'll try it over the weekend
[03:35] <geppy|away> Alright. =)
[03:35] <Cloudchaser> does it have virus scanner capabilities like the knoppix and does it auto mount all the partitions?
[03:35] <Quest-Master> Oh my god.
[03:35] <geppy|away> Cloudchaser:  I've no idea, I haven't used it.
[03:35] <bigtony> how you get hte floppy drive to work on ubuntu? mount /dev/fd0?
[03:35] <froust> how do i set up my sound? when i go into the sound config thing, the test sounds won't play
[03:36] <Cloudchaser> ah ok geppy i'll try it and find out ;)
[03:36] <geppy|away> bigtony:  Yes.
[03:36] <Quest-Master> I just got Photoshop 7 to work perfectly in Ubuntun.
[03:36] <Quest-Master> *ubuntu
[03:36] <Quest-Master> :D
[03:36] <Cloudchaser> cool!
[03:36] <geppy|away> Cloudchaser:  =)
[03:36] <bigtony> well for some reason mine doesn't mount this sucks
[03:36] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  Cool!  Did you use vanilla WINE?
[03:36] <Quest-Master> This is awesome.
[03:36] <DAC1138> this guy told me to rename a .sys file, i did that, he didnt say how to install it
[03:36] <bigtony> i was gonna try and put ndiwrapper on a disk and put it on my lappy
[03:36] <bigtony> but no go
[03:36] <DAC1138> so i did "ndiswrapper -I BEL6020.sys"
[03:36] <geppy|away> bigtony:  try 'sudo mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy'
[03:36] <bigtony> let me try
[03:37] <Quest-Master> geppy|away: Nope, normal wine. :p
[03:37] <DAC1138> and modprobe ndiswrapper turns up the error "FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format"
[03:37] <Quest-Master> Not even Vanilla Wine or Crossover.. just normal Wine.
[03:37] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  hahahaha... that's what I meant. =)
[03:37] <Quest-Master> It just magically worked this time.
[03:37] <Quest-Master> :D
[03:37] <Quest-Master> Oh. :P
[03:37] <bigtony> says fd0 doesn't exist isn't that just special
[03:37] <Quest-Master> Why do they call it Vanilla?
[03:37] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  I can't tell if you're joking, but vanilla is kind of a slang term for regular.
[03:38] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  Like vanilla ice-cream is just plain ice cream without enhancements. =)
[03:38] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  It's a little odd, but it kind of makes sense. =)
[03:38] <illuminata> quickie question and i'll be on my way. new live cd, reiser4 or no reiser4?
[03:39] <mcduke> is there some way to boot from a warty cd, change the apt repositories on the fly, and install a hoary system this way? i know with debian something like this was possible, but i can't find out how to do it with ubuntu..
[03:39] <maximaus> I run Photoshop with CXoffice, and it's indeed snappy, amazed that it runs under vanilla wine--was is a pain?
[03:41] <Quest-Master> geppy: I've almost never used Wine in the past. I thought they were using the term Vanilla for something techinical, hehe.
[03:41] <Quest-Master> geppy: Excuse my stupidity. XD
[03:41] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  haha =)
[03:42] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  You're not stupid;  it's just jargon.  It's not like it's obvious what it means. =)
[03:42] <wasabi> Having a 2.6.10-2-k7 problem. Whenever I boot it, it says "Enter password..."
[03:42] <wasabi> No idea what password it expects.
[03:42] <Quest-Master> I am so ecstatic right now.
[03:42] <geppy|away> Quest-Master: Rightly so!
[03:42] <Quest-Master> PHOTOSHOP. <3
[03:42] <geppy|away> hahaha
[03:42] <Quest-Master> :D
[03:42] <geppy|away> =D
[03:43] <froust> wasabi: at what point in the boot?
[03:43] <bigtony> geppy it comes up as sda
[03:43] <bigtony> any idea how to mount that
[03:43] <wasabi> froust, very early. Looks like just after the initrd finishes.
[03:43] <julio> sudo mount /dev/sda/  /mnt/whateverdirectory
[03:43] <froust> oh. i was going to say a grub password, but that's not the case.
[03:43] <bigtony> let me try thought i did that
[03:43] <Quest-Master> Now, Windows doesn't have ANY apps. which I actually NEED.
[03:44] <geppy|away> bigtony:  'sudo mount /dev/sda /media/floppy'
[03:45] <froust> wasabi: how many people on your box?
[03:45] <antec_> geppy/away: Guardiann: I found out what the problem was with my sound the PCM under volume control was down, I don't know how it went down on its own
[03:45] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  =D
[03:45] <wasabi> froust, me.
[03:45] <nevyn> antec_: volumes are always set to 0 by alsa at initialisation
[03:46] <geppy|away> antec_:  Argh, I'm so sorry that I didn't think of that.  I'd supposed that if sound had worked previously, it wouldn't be muted.
[03:46] <geppy|away> nevyn speaks the truth.
[03:46] <mcduke> so i guess there is no way to change the package repositories on the fly when/before installing, oh well :S now if i only had one leftover cd-r..
[03:46] <geppy|away> Aren't there netboot images for Ubuntu?
[03:46] <antec_> I see but it worked when I installed ubuntu it's only today that it didn't
[03:47] <antec_> thanks anyway
[03:47] <geppy|away> antec_:  I'm glad that you figured it out.  =)
[03:47] <maximaus> mcduke, what do you want from Hoary? You can always intstall Warty and install some backports of programs like the Gimp.
[03:47] <antec_> got to go bye and thanks
[03:47] <Rattboi24> anyone know about power management in ubuntu?
[03:47] <illuminata> ok, so let's say you don't now about whether or not reiser4 is on the new live cd. can you at least point me in the direction of a complete package list?
[03:48] <mcduke> well.. xorg and a fresh up-to-date-install, newer kernel with support for bluetooth and that kind of stuff.. but true, i can get individual packages from warty as well..
[03:48] <froust> was: that's weird
[03:48] <geppy|away> illuminata:  If they don't have the list on ubuntu-linux.org, you can always just download the ISO and take a peek
[03:48] <maximaus> mcduke, sounds like you could use the real thing then.
[03:48] <illuminata> could
[03:49] <geppy|away> heh
[03:49] <geppy|away> True.
[03:49] <illuminata> but i'm planning on downloading it if it's got reiser4 on there
[03:49] <geppy|away> illuminata:  Well, if no one here knows, you could either try google, or try again later.
[03:49] <mcduke> maximaus, heh, yeah. problem is i don't have a cd-r left now to burn a hoary disk, so i'm trying to figure out if i can just hack this warty disk to install a hoary system for me. but alas, i guess i'll just have to buy me some cds tomorrow.
[03:50] <geppy|away> mcduke:  You could just add the hoary repositories and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[03:50] <geppy|away> I don't know if that's advised, but it worked fine for me.
[03:50] <illuminata> no devs or anybody around here linger? tried google, tried browsing the main site and some other ones
[03:50] <mcduke> geppy|away, yesh, i did that, and everythingn stopped working, so i figured maybe a clean install would be ... more advisable ^^
[03:51] <illuminata> and the most i can gather is that it seems some have heard of reiser4
[03:51] <illuminata> may have played with reiser4
[03:51] <geppy|away> illuminata:  Devs hang around in here, I think, but they're apparently all away at the moment.  You *could* try #ubuntu-dev, but I don't know if they'd like you doing that.
[03:51] <geppy|away> mcduke:  Ah, alright.
[03:51] <illuminata> hmm
[03:51] <geppy|away> mcduke:  You could try netbooting with a floppy.
[03:52] <froust> wasabi: i'm guessing you've tried your password?
[03:52] <mcduke> geppy|away, err, no floppy drive here, sadly
[03:52] <geppy|away> mcduke: heh.. that is a problem.
[03:52] <mcduke> geppy|away, :P oh well, warty has got to do it for now then. thanks anyway :)
[03:52] <geppy|away> mcduke:  heh...  Sorry I couldn't help.  =)
[03:53] <raphael> hi how is it going?
[03:53] <wasabi> froust, of course.
[03:54] <Arricka> Anyone, does Ubuntu have any money/financial budgeting packages?
[03:54] <FR500> hello
[03:55] <Rattboi24> no sleep on iBook?
[03:55] <Guardiann> Arricka try gnucash
[03:56] <Arricka> which section is it in?
[03:56] <Arricka> for synaptic package manager
[03:56] <Guardiann> just do a search in synaptic
[03:56] <froust> wasabi: just making sure... you might be able to get somewhere booting with a live cd, and then trying that
[03:56] <wasabi> what would that accomplish?
[03:56] <wasabi> i can boot with an older kernel
[03:57] <wasabi> I just need to fix the problem =)
[03:58] <Arricka> Guardiann: thank you very much
[03:58] <FR500> i cannot print through samba, i can access the shares on the computer fine, the i can install the printer but i just noticed the fields to install a printer don't have any kind of validation
[03:58] <Guardiann> your welcome
[03:58] <FR500> it gets insalled succefully
[03:58] <FR500> i think
[03:58] <FR500> but i cannot get it to print
[03:58] <FR500> no errors or anything
[04:02] <_mage_out> just quickly, is the bpalogin package available straight from the warty install cd?
[04:03] <FR500> how can i log to webmin
[04:03] <FR500> root account is disabled
[04:04] <Quest-Master> Is there a guide on how to use ndiswrapper to get a Linksys Wireless USB adapter working? My friend is trying to get it working and I have no idea how
[04:04] <FR500> i think ubuntu has madwifi, doesnt it work with it?
[04:05] <Quest-Master> Apparently not :(
[04:05] <FR500> my card doesnt have linux drivers and still then it worked out of the box
[04:05] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[04:05] <Quest-Master> Mine didn't either and they worked
[04:06] <LinuxJones> Quest-Master, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards/view?searchterm=wireless%20network%20card
[04:06] <Quest-Master> But you have to use ndiswrapper for Linksys's USB adapters
[04:06] <Quest-Master> :)
[04:06] <FR500> well i use it on fc3
[04:06] <FR500> is pretty simple there
[04:06] <bigtony> to make a tar file with bzip compression isn't it tar c <driver.rpm> | bzip > filetomake.bz ?
[04:07] <FR500> did u ask at #ndiswrapper?
[04:08] <bigtony> i found the driver for my card but i need to put it on a floppy :(
[04:08] <bigtony> and its too big :(
[04:08] <FR500> try an usb flash
[04:09] <Quest-Master> I am never putting any removable media in my computer with Ubuntu on
[04:09] <Quest-Master> Ever age
[04:09] <Quest-Master> *again
[04:09] <Quest-Master> :x
[04:09] <FR500> why?
[04:09] <Quest-Master> It killed the memory stick inside a digital camera of mine
[04:09] <Quest-Master> And it killed a removable keychain stick as well
[04:10] <Quest-Master> Meaning, you couldn't R/W from it anymore
[04:10] <Quest-Master> I haven't tried formatting them yet
[04:10] <FR500> hum
[04:10] <FR500> weird
[04:10] <FR500> works fine for me
[04:10] <FR500> i got my bootloader there
[04:10] <Quest-Master> Apparently, Project Utopia isn't very utopian at the moment
[04:11] <FR500> what is project Utopia?
[04:13] <Dreamer3> anyway to do ANY type of HD install with the live CD?
[04:14] <Dreamer3> anyone awake?
[04:14] <farruinn> Dreamer3: it wasn't possible with warty, I don't believe that it's possible with hoary
[04:14] <farruinn> with the array cd's that is
[04:14] <Dreamer3> farruinn: thanks, but not very helpful :)
[04:14] <LinuxJones> Dreamer3, not that I know of but it's coming :D
[04:15] <Quest-Master> Has anyone gotten guifications to work with Gaim?
[04:15] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  I have.
[04:15] <Dreamer3> farruinn: libranet 2.7 isn't helped me get xfce 4.2 installed
[04:15] <farruinn> Dreamer3: well, if I had a magic wand I would make it do it for you, but unfortunately that's not how it works ;)
[04:15] <Quest-Master> geppy: Warty or Hoary?
[04:15] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  You have to 'apt-get install source gaim', and then build the GAIM .debs... then install the gaim-dev, then install guifications
[04:15] <dbt`veritas> do it, its awesome
[04:16] <Dreamer3> the boot CD just isn't working with 64mb of memory though
[04:16] <Dreamer3> boot=live
[04:16] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  Hoary.  I just recently switched back to Warty, so I haven't gotten around to it, yet.  I'm sure that it's the same way, though.
[04:17] <Quest-Master> I have the normal Gaim installed
[04:17] <geppy|away> Right.
[04:17] <Quest-Master> But there doesn't appear to be a Gaim-dev anywhere
[04:17] <Dreamer3> with libranet everything is build against different libs than the debian woody -dev packages, so although I have GCC, i can't really do anything :(
[04:17] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  But you have to have gaim-dev to install the plugins... and you have to build GAIM yourself to get GAIM-dev.
[04:17] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  hmph.
[04:17] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  Would you mind waiting half an hour, or so?  I can build it, then put it on a public FTP.
[04:17] <Quest-Master> Sure.
[04:17] <Quest-Master> :)
[04:18] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  It's almost more effort than it's worth, if you aren't familiar with the process.  =)
[04:18] <Quest-Master> Hehe.. it would be much easier if there was just a gaim-dev package
[04:18] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  THANK YOU!
[04:18] <Quest-Master> Then I could simply build guifications on my own which is no problem
[04:18] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  =)
[04:18] <Dreamer3> why is buildling gaim all that difficult?
[04:18] <Quest-Master> So, why isn't there a gaim-dev?
[04:18] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  I feel quite the same, but the Ubuntu devs, in their infinite wisdom, disagree.
[04:19] <Quest-Master> Oh really?
[04:19] <Quest-Master> I wonder why. :\
[04:19] <geppy|away> I mean that quite literally, there's definitely a good reason, and I just don't know it. =)
[04:20] <farruinn> geppy|away: couldn't you 'apt-get source gaim' ?
[04:20] <whiprush> I have a gaim-dev
[04:20] <geppy|away> dreamer3: It isn't, really, but building a .deb is a better idea, and it's slightly more useful.
[04:20] <Quest-Master> whiprush: Hoary?
[04:20] <whiprush> yeah
[04:20] <geppy|away> farruinn:  Yes.
[04:20] <farruinn> geppy|away: is that the way you do it then?
[04:20] <geppy|away> farruinn:  I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, but what I'm doing is 'sudo apt-get source gaim', and then I'm building a .deb from it.
[04:20] <geppy|away> farruinn:  Yes. =)
[04:21] <farruinn> you're doing this on warty?
[04:21] <geppy|away> I make less sense as the hours go on.
[04:21] <geppy|away> farruinn:  Yes.
[04:21] <Quest-Master> sudo apt-get source gaim doesn't install the dev. packages though does it?
[04:21] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  No.
[04:21] <Quest-Master> farruinn: I am, yeah
[04:21] <Quest-Master> Exactly.
[04:21] <Quest-Master> :(
[04:21] <farruinn> geppy|away: you said you'd put the .deb up for ftp or something, want a ppc version?
[04:22] <geppy|away> farruinn:  hahaha... what use would I have for a PPC version?  =)
[04:22] <Quest-Master> Kopete (sorry to say this) has a guifications kind of thing built into it.
[04:22] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  True, but GAIM's guifications are much sexier.
[04:22] <Quest-Master> Yeah.
[04:22] <Dreamer3> what are guifications?
[04:22] <Quest-Master> But for us Ubuntu users.. installing guifications looks to be a journey
[04:22] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  Guifications and SmartEar are the two things I think Ubuntu needs for GAIM.
[04:22] <Quest-Master> Dreamer3: Notifications for events
[04:23] <geppy|away> dreamer:  Like on MSN messenger.
[04:23] <Dreamer3> Quest-Master: events?
[04:23] <geppy|away> Deramer:  when people sign on, message you, whatever
[04:23] <Quest-Master> Dreamer3: Someone signs on/off, a little box pops up above the system tray
[04:23] <Quest-Master> And informs you of what happens
[04:23] <geppy|away> *dreamer:  It's customizable
[04:23] <Dreamer3> Quest-Master: OH
[04:23] <Dreamer3> Quest-Master: yeah, like MSN
[04:23] <Quest-Master> Like on Windows with AIM and MSN
[04:23] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[04:23] <Quest-Master> It's very useful
[04:23] <Dreamer3> Quest-Master: i want that
[04:23] <geppy|away> _very_
[04:23] <Quest-Master> And available for Gaim, which we are trying to get working
[04:23] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[04:23] <geppy|away> =)
[04:23] <Quest-Master> They should make it built in.
[04:23] <Dreamer3> Quest-Master: can i have it with debian sarge? :)
[04:23] <Quest-Master> :P
[04:24] <Quest-Master> Dunno.
[04:24] <geppy|away> Dreamer:  sudo apt-cache search guifications
[04:24] <Dreamer3> Quest-Master: what you interested in?
[04:24] <farruinn> geppy|away: is there an advantage to using sudo for apt-cache search? or was that just reflex?
[04:24] <Quest-Master> Err.. lots of things?
[04:24] <geppy|away> farruinn: reflex
[04:25] <Quest-Master> Just not interested in using Debian as a workstation
[04:25] <farruinn> geppy|away: ok, for a moment I thought I was missing out on something =)
[04:25] <bitfoo> slackware for servers, ubuntu for desktops :|
[04:25] <geppy|away> farruin:  No, I just have my oddities.  =)
[04:25] <Dreamer3> Quest-Master: what do you use as a workstation? :)
[04:25] <Quest-Master> Ubuntu is fine for servers
[04:25] <Quest-Master> IMO, at least
[04:25] <Quest-Master> Anyhow
[04:25] <bitfoo> roflcopter
[04:25] <bitfoo> :|
[04:26] <bitfoo> it is fine compared to windows
[04:26] <Quest-Master> Dreamer3: I know where you're getting at. ;)
[04:26] <littlepenguin> Who here uses XFCE?
[04:26] <Quest-Master> bitfoo: In your opinion.
[04:26] <bitfoo> i want to
[04:26] <Quest-Master> :P
[04:26] <Dreamer3> littlepenguin: me from now on since i tried it
[04:26] <Dreamer3> littlepenguin: 4.2 is BEAUTIFUL
[04:26] <bitfoo> i apt-installed it but i dunno how to start it :|
[04:26] <Dreamer3> littlepenguin: it feels like baby gnome to me
[04:26] <Quest-Master> Is guifications available in apt in Hoary?
[04:26] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  No.
[04:26] <Dreamer3> Quest-Master: i'm just curious what desktop you use
[04:26] <bitfoo> apt-cache search guifications
[04:26] <bitfoo> :|
[04:27] <littlepenguin> bitfoo: just run startxfce4 from the cli
[04:27] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  I have (my personal) .debs for Hoary, if you upgrade.
[04:27] <bitfoo> littlepenguin, but what about gnome? :|
[04:27] <bitfoo> it is still running :|
[04:27] <littlepenguin> i agree. xfce4 is wonderful. especially on a 2ghz laptop
[04:27] <Quest-Master> geppy, you think it would be possible to be backported to Warty?
[04:28] <farruinn> bitfoo: you don't have an xfce session at the gdm login?
[04:28] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  It'd just be easier to build Warty versions, which I'm working on.
[04:28] <littlepenguin> bitfoo, you can't run a de (desktop environment) in a de. You have to quit gnome
[04:28] <Dreamer3> xfce 3.8 isn't very cool though :)
[04:28] <Dreamer3> running it now on Libranet 2.7
[04:28] <Dreamer3> though i'm really amazed this box feels kinda snappy
[04:28] <Dreamer3> and this is only linux 2.4 :)
[04:29] <syn-ack> Dreamer3: XFCE4 is nice.
[04:29] <bitfoo> :|
[04:29] <bitfoo> archlinux? :|
[04:29] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: yeah, if i could run it ;-)
[04:29] <syn-ack> heh
[04:29] <Dreamer3> (or ubuntu in general)
[04:30] <bitfoo> i will try and reboot and see if i can log with xfce :|
[04:30] <Dreamer3> ie, libranet for example uses different versions of libs that are incompatible and i can't build anything from source
[04:30] <littlepenguin> xfce3 looks more like cde
[04:30] <Dreamer3> littlepenguin: i think xfce4 looks like gnome, that's why i like it :)
[04:30] <littlepenguin> what de/wm d you people use?
[04:31] <littlepenguin> i only wish there was a good dialup connecter for gnome. RANT: I hate dialup
[04:32] <farruinn> geppy|away, Quest-Master, I take it the .deb provided on the guificatications sourceforge site doesn't work with ubuntu?
[04:32] <geppy|away> farruinn:  I don't think that it does.  I don't remember, though.
[04:32] <Dreamer3> xchat really isn't all that
[04:32] <Dreamer3> an unaliased fonts SUCK :)
[04:33] <dohpaz> I need help with the Linux PPC Live CD built on 01-20-2005. It seems to stall at "Storing Language", but not freezing the computer.
[04:33] <bitfoo> nope
[04:33] <bitfoo> no xfce option :|
[04:33] <farruinn> bitfoo: did you post to ubuntu-users list about this?
[04:33] <bitfoo> no
[04:33] <farruinn> hm, odd, someone else had the same problem
[04:34] <farruinn> warty or hoary?
[04:34] <bitfoo> it would be under sessions yes?
[04:34] <bitfoo> hoary
[04:34] <bitfoo> all i did was apt-get install xfce
[04:34] <bitfoo> :|
[04:34] <bitfoo> its in /usr/share/xfce and /usr/bin/xfce :|
[04:34] <LucidVisions> ogra: I was on a while ago, im the one running the ibm server with 3 scsi hdd's,well everything is great now,i recompiled a new kernel, no more fatal errors,lol
[04:36] <LucidVisions> ogra: Being that I have no optical drive, is it wise that i upgrade to hory?
[04:36] <bitfoo> :|
[04:36] <bitfoo> how did you install warty?
[04:37] <dohpaz> I need help with the Linux PPC Live CD built on 01-20-2005. It seems to stall at "Storing Language", but not freezing the computer.
[04:37] <LucidVisions> bitfoo: I got this ibm server from a friend, with ubuntu pre installed
[04:37] <farruinn> bitfoo: just apt-get install xfce4...
[04:37] <bitfoo> ohh
[04:38] <LucidVisions> to ween me completely off windowz
[04:38] <bitfoo> they should make it known there is a difference :/
[04:38] <LucidVisions> I have no choice now,lol
[04:38] <bitfoo> ;] 
[04:39] <LucidVisions> pure scsi system
[04:39] <froust> anyone know of a good way to resize a bunch of digital camera pictures?
[04:42] <snowblink> froust: seem to remember ImageMagick could do that...
[04:42] <nightgoat> froust, i think there is a console command called convert that can do this.
[04:43] <nightgoat> i've heard of it but haven't used it, though.
[04:43] <froust> hrm
[04:43] <nightgoat> just tried to google for it, but that's a joke
[04:44] <snowblink> froust: haev a look at Digikam too
[04:44] <froust> i'm not looking for anything fancy.
[04:44] <froust> just a quick way of reducing the size of a bunch of pics
[04:44] <snowblink> froust: there are perl modules to do this too
[04:44] <froust> hm
[04:45] <snowblink> snowblink: have you checked gimp?
[04:45] <dohpaz> I need help with the Linux PPC Live CD built on 01-20-2005. It seems to stall at "Storing Language", but not freezing the computer.
[04:45] <snowblink> froust: have you checked gimp?
[04:45] <froust> no
[04:45] <froust> i was just asking ooc
[04:46] <bitfoo> it worked :|
[04:46] <bitfoo> its the hot :O
[04:47] <snowblink> froust: Out of Character?
[04:48] <farruinn> bitfoo: what did you do?
[04:48] <froust> out of curiosity
[04:49] <bitfoo> :|
[04:49] <bitfoo> i wish the icons would get big when you hovered like mac :O
[04:51] <Quest-Master> geppy: :o the latest .deb from the guifications site actually works
[04:51] <HillTop> Can someone tell me where to get the new liveCD for i386. I try this site http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-3.5-live/ and it is an install CD, not a live CD!! :/ Thanks.
[04:52] <dohpaz> HillTop, http://www.gnoppix.org/
[04:56] <farruinn> dohpaz: that's not released by the ubuntu team though, is it?
[04:56] <farruinn> I mean, they say it's "based" on ubuntu linux, not that it is...
[04:57] <dohpaz> farruinn, http://www.gnoppix.org/pages/ano/mail.txt
[04:57] <HillTop> Thanks dohpaz, but I don't see it there http://www.gnoppix.org/pages/releases/index.html. I'm writing of the one mentioned on distrowatch.com and ubuntu site. gnoppix I already tried, it also was an install. BTW, I'm talking about the new hoary-live-i386.
[04:58] <dohpaz> farruinn, and if you look at some of the links on Gnoppix's website, the redirect you to Ubuntu's website; i.e. the support link takes me to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/
[04:59] <geppy|away> Quest-Master:  You still here?
[05:02] <aaki> hi all...gotta a question..I noticed that on the BeagleInstallHowTo..the part about having to compile Dbus has been removed..may i  know why
[05:03] <zazeem> hi
[05:03] <zazeem> i need help with ubuntu
[05:03] <HillTop> OK, now I have three CDs burned that proport to be live CDs but are not. Anyone else have this problem. I mentioned it on the distrowatch board and another guy said he say the same thing: they are really install CDs.
[05:03] <zazeem> any ubunta guys here?
[05:03] <faxons> zazeem: don't ask to ask, just ask
[05:04] <zazeem> ok
[05:04] <mebaran151> anybody have an Nforce 3
[05:05] <mebaran151> I cant get the Forcedeth module to dhcp
[05:05] <aaki> faxons: The BeagleInstallHowTo wiki on ubuntulinux forums..theyhave removed the part abt DBUS compilation..is it not required anymore
[05:05] <faxons> aaki: no clue
[05:06] <zazeem> im trying to install video drivers for my nvidia card, i have the right drivers but cant figure out how to, whenever i sh it in terminal it says you must leave x serer or something, then i logout go to session and choose failsafe terminal, type su and hit enter put password then exec it and it says nvidia...driver needs to be execed root directory, but im in root i think
[05:06] <aaki> faxons: thx anyway..
[05:06] <mebaran151> zazeem: just dll the modules
[05:06] <mebaran151> from ubuntu
[05:06] <zazeem> what?
[05:06] <mebaran151> you will make your life easier
[05:06] <zazeem> modules??
[05:06] <aaki> anybody here has installed beagle?
[05:06] <mebaran151> apt-get linux-restricted modules
[05:07] <faxons> aaki: sorry man, if it's been taken out then I would guess it's not needed - ?
[05:07] <zazeem> link?
[05:07] <nevyn> does anyone know how to fix \ in sony-fixed?
[05:07] <mebaran151> zazeem: modules are linux drivers
[05:07] <zazeem> plz?
[05:07] <mebaran151> jsut use synaptic
[05:07] <mebaran151> go to your term
[05:07] <nevyn> it displays a yen symbol instead of a backslash
[05:07] <mebaran151> and sudo synaptic
[05:07] <zazeem> k im in synaptic
[05:07] <zazeem> now what
[05:07] <mebaran151> search for nvidia
[05:07] <zazeem> k
[05:07] <mebaran151> in the little search bo
[05:07] <mebaran151> x
[05:08] <mebaran151> in description
[05:08] <mebaran151> what kernel are you running
[05:08] <aaki> faxons: it is finne man.. I guess so..but wanted to confirm..i am having problems in the installation..anyways..thanks
[05:08] <mebaran151> go back to term and type uname -r
[05:08] <zazeem> oo thanks!!!
[05:08] <zazeem> <3
[05:08] <zazeem> sso now i can play games good lol?
[05:08] <zazeem> thats all the drivers i need?
[05:08] <zazeem> :D
[05:08] <mebaran151> oh
[05:08] <mebaran151> also
[05:09] <zazeem> ?
[05:09] <mebaran151> go to term
[05:09] <mebaran151> and type
[05:09] <mebaran151> sudo apt-get nvidia-glx
[05:09] <zazeem> zazeem@workgroup:~ $ sudo apt-get nvidia-glx
[05:09] <zazeem> Password:
[05:09] <zazeem> E: Invalid operation nvidia-glx
[05:09] <zazeem> ?
[05:10] <mindphasr> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:10] <zazeem> ??
[05:10] <zazeem> k
[05:10] <zazeem> zazeem@workgroup:~ $ sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:10] <zazeem> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:10] <zazeem> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:10] <zazeem> zazeem@workgroup:~ $
[05:10] <randabis_> haha
[05:10] <randabis_> is synaptic open?
[05:10] <zazeem> ya
[05:10] <randabis_> close it
[05:11] <zazeem> kl
[05:11] <mebaran151> zazeem: sorry
[05:11] <zazeem> thnx a million guys :)
[05:11] <mebaran151> I forgot to tell you to close it
[05:11] <zazeem> ima nub
[05:11] <zazeem> lol
[05:11] <aaki> dudes...anybody here has tried installing beagle
[05:11] <mebaran151> make sure you got the modules for your kernel
[05:11] <zazeem> thnx
[05:11] <mebaran151> aaki: what is beagle
[05:11] <zazeem> ?
[05:11] <mindphasr> aaki: I have
[05:12] <randabis_> beagle's still under active development iirc
[05:12] <aaki> mebaran151 :beagle is a search tool like spolight...it is brilliant
[05:12] <aaki> mindphasr: they have removed the part about compiing DBUS...is it not required anymore
[05:12] <mindphasr> aaki: It is still required, I am sure.
[05:13] <mindphasr> aaki: I am sure they removed the part about compiling it because it may be in hoary now?
[05:13] <aaki> mindphasr: yeah i guessed so to..but i moved to hoary..and it is not there
[05:14] <aaki> mindphasr: i checked in the pkgsources..dbus-sharp.pc is not there..so maybe i will have to  compile it from source..
[05:14] <mindphasr> aaki: Probably - i messed with it awhile ago..i got it all from cvs
[05:15] <aaki> mindphasr: ok man...thanks ...
[05:16] <mebaran151> anybody got forcedeth to dhcp
[05:17] <zazeem> hi im back
[05:17] <zazeem> i got a game for linux
[05:18] <zazeem> wolfenstein enemy territory
[05:18] <randabis> ok
[05:18] <DAC1138> im downloading that now
[05:18] <DAC1138> already 30% done
[05:18] <zazeem> and when i start it changes resolution but then just stays in that res and game doesnt start
[05:18] <DAC1138> what a coincidence
[05:18] <zazeem> lol
[05:18] <zazeem> can get it to work in ubuntu :(
[05:18] <randabis> after you install nvidia drivers zazeem, you have to do sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:18] <zazeem> any suggestions?
[05:19] <zazeem> what?
[05:19] <zazeem> k
[05:19] <randabis> then you need to restart your xserver
[05:19] <zazeem> how?
[05:19] <randabis> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:19] <randabis> then
[05:19] <randabis> to t restart x, CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[05:19] <randabis> lol
[05:20] <zazeem> coo
[05:20] <zazeem> lol
[05:20] <zazeem> ima try it :)
[05:21] <randabis> did the nvidia logo pop up?
[05:21] <randabis> guess so
[05:21] <faxons> is there a way to install from the live-cd
[05:21] <randabis> no
[05:21] <zazeem> hmm
[05:21] <zazeem> just trried it
[05:21] <faxons> randabis: was that no for me
[05:21] <zazeem> it just logged me out
[05:22] <randabis> yes
[05:22] <DAC1138> we should get a #ubuntu enemy teritory tournament going
[05:22] <zazeem> why
[05:22] <zazeem> dac yes
[05:22] <zazeem> lol
[05:22] <DAC1138> #ubuntu is like the most populated distro-specific chat ice seen
[05:22] <DAC1138> ive seen*
[05:22] <randabis> that's what it does...it kills the xserver and then restarts gdm
[05:22] <zazeem> i been playin it on windows for 2 years <3 it
[05:22] <zazeem> gdm?
[05:22] <zazeem> that for me?
[05:22] <DAC1138> last i checked, #gentoo had 150, slackware had about 190, this has/had 300
[05:22] <randabis> yes
[05:22] <mindphasr> DAC1138: #debian
[05:22] <zazeem> well it doesnt start et though
[05:22] <randabis> gnome display manager
[05:23] <LinuxJones> Debian has like 700 :D
[05:23] <DAC1138> mindphasr, havent been there recently, how many does it have?
[05:23] <randabis> when you restarted, did the nvidia logo pop up?
[05:23] <zazeem> ya
[05:23] <DAC1138> mindphasr, let me guess first.....450?
[05:23] <DAC1138> around 450
[05:23] <randabis> zazeem then it's possible you didn't install the game correctly
[05:23] <zazeem> how?
[05:23] <zazeem> i did sh then name
[05:23] <zazeem> that wrong?
[05:23] <randabis> you need to do sudo sh foo.run
[05:24] <randabis> not just sh
[05:24] <zazeem> ?
[05:24] <zazeem> sudo sh foo.run then name of it?
[05:24] <randabis> foo.run = name of the file
[05:24] <randabis> don't type foo.run
[05:24] <randabis> lol
[05:24] <zazeem> LOL
[05:24] <zazeem> o i need sudo sh not just sh
[05:24] <zazeem> i c
[05:24] <randabis> yes
[05:24] <mindphasr> DAC1138: 719
[05:25] <randabis> it won't install correctly without that I don't think
[05:25] <zazeem> got help from a linux bud
[05:25] <zazeem> k
[05:25] <randabis> the reason it won't is because it installs to /usr/local/games and only root can install programs there
[05:26] <DAC1138> holy crap
[05:26] <zazeem> do i need to be in root to install it
[05:26] <randabis> no
[05:26] <zazeem> k
[05:26] <randabis> sudo = root
[05:26] <zazeem> :D
[05:26] <zazeem> i like this os
[05:26] <randabis> yeah it rox my sox
[05:26] <zazeem> lol
[05:27] <zazeem> easier than others
[05:27] <zazeem> and free <3
[05:27] <faxons> is horay stable enough to be installed?
[05:28] <zazeem> damnit it did it again
[05:28] <randabis> depends on what you mean by "stable"
[05:28] <zazeem> logged out saw nvidia logo screeen then i had to login
[05:28] <zazeem> :(
[05:28] <randabis> you only needed to do that once
[05:28] <zazeem> it does it every time
[05:29] <zazeem> i start it
[05:29] <thully> hoary's getting significantly more stable - still not for beginners, though
[05:29] <zazeem> i just reinstalled
[05:29] <randabis> zazeem you don't need to hit CTRL ALT BACKSPACE again
[05:29] <zazeem> who was that dac guy that is gtting it
[05:29] <randabis> you should just be able to run the game now
[05:29] <zazeem> i didnt
[05:29] <zazeem> when i start the game
[05:29] <zazeem> it logs out
[05:29] <faxons> well I guess I'm asking if the packages on the new live CD are the same as what's availabe via apt-get and most importantly is the hardware detection the same?>
[05:29] <zazeem> i see nvidia screen
[05:29] <randabis> ?!? that's weird
[05:29] <zazeem> then i have to login again
[05:30] <zazeem> get it and try
[05:30] <zazeem> its free
[05:30] <zazeem> www.3dgamers.com
[05:30] <randabis> I've had it before and played it with ubuntu
[05:30] <zazeem> enemy territory
[05:30] <zazeem> wtf?
[05:30] <zazeem> damn:( i have terrible luck lol
[05:30] <randabis> that's why I don't understand why it would be logging you out
[05:30] <zazeem> ill install patch
[05:30] <randabis> what are you typing to run it?
[05:31] <zazeem> nothing
[05:31] <zazeem> clicking icon
[05:31] <zazeem> and hitting run
[05:31] <randabis> I think the command is "et" try typing that in a terminal
[05:31] <randabis> wtf
[05:32] <randabis> I've never seen enemy territory do that before
[05:32] <zazeem> did it again :'(
[05:32] <randabis> dude that's really weird
[05:32] <zazeem> lol
[05:32] <randabis> I've never seen enemy territory do that before
[05:32] <zazeem> figures
[05:32] <zazeem> i have a match in 30 mins too
[05:33] <zazeem> what do i type
[05:33] <zazeem> ... sh
[05:33] <zazeem> pog sh?
[05:33] <zazeem> forgot first word
[05:34] <randabis> what are you trying to do?
[05:34] <zazeem> install et patch
[05:34] <randabis> sudo is the first word
[05:34] <snowblink> any idea how to get firefox to open an html file over a samba share?
[05:34] <randabis> sudo sh whatever.sh
[05:35] <randabis> hmm
[05:35] <randabis> snowblink maybe File --> open file
[05:35] <zazeem> omg
[05:36] <zazeem> again
[05:36] <randabis> then point it to where the file is
[05:36] <zazeem> why!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:36] <randabis> I don't know man, that's the weirdest crap I ever seen
[05:36] <zazeem> how did u install it?
[05:36] <zazeem> do u have an nvidia card?
[05:36] <zazeem> i have fx5200
[05:36] <randabis> yes
[05:36] <randabis> I have fx5900
[05:36] <zazeem> is it a module or something
[05:37] <zazeem> i missed?
[05:37] <randabis> it's the module you already installed
[05:37] <snowblink> randabis: samba shares don't show up like that
[05:37] <zazeem> ?
[05:37] <randabis> if the nvidia logo pops up for you, then you're running the nvidia driver
[05:37] <randabis> to test, open a terminal and type glxgears
[05:38] <zazeem> i c them
[05:38] <randabis> what are the framerates?
[05:38] <zazeem> dunno?
[05:38] <randabis> it should say in the terminal
[05:38] <zazeem> 8193 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1638.600 FPS
[05:38] <zazeem> 5470 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1094.000 FPS
[05:38] <zazeem> 5052 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1010.400 FPS
[05:38] <zazeem> 4956 frames in 5.0 seconds = 991.200 FPS
[05:38] <zazeem> 8962 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1792.400 FPS
[05:38] <zazeem> 7533 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1506.600 FPS
[05:38] <zazeem> 5118 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1023.600 FPS
[05:38] <randabis> okay
[05:38] <zazeem> 8193 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1638.600 FPS
[05:38] <zazeem> 5470 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1094.000 FPS
[05:38] <zazeem> 5052 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1010.400 FPS
[05:38] <zazeem> 4956 frames in 5.0 seconds = 991.200 FPS
[05:38] <zazeem> 8962 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1792.400 FPS
[05:38] <zazeem> 7533 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1506.600 FPS
[05:38] <zazeem> 5118 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1023.600 FPS
[05:38] <zazeem> 4724 frames in 5.0 seconds = 944.800 FPS
[05:39] <zazeem> 4945 frames in 5.0 seconds = 989.000 FPS
[05:39] <randabis> that's enough jeez
[05:39] <zazeem> that good?
[05:39] <zazeem> lol
[05:39] <randabis> it's fine...your video card just sucks lol
[05:39] <zazeem> :(
[05:39] <FLeiXiuS> zazeem: for your stupidity you should be killed..
[05:39] <randabis> I get over 5000
[05:39] <zazeem> wtf
[05:39] <zazeem> well it should ru et still right
[05:39] <FLeiXiuS> zazeem: please don't flood*
[05:39] <zazeem> k
[05:39] <FLeiXiuS> and zazeem, which graphics card do you have?
[05:40] <zazeem> geforce fx 5200
[05:40] <randabis> he said fx5200
[05:40] <zazeem> 128mb ddr
[05:40] <randabis> for some WEIRD reason, every time he trys to start enemy territory, he is logged out and the xserver is restarted
[05:41] <zazeem> whos fleixius?
[05:41] <FLeiXiuS> randabis: sounds to me like the resolution / sync rates...
[05:41] <zazeem> ?
[05:41] <randabis> could be
[05:41] <zazeem> ya it switches res
[05:41] <zazeem> like gets big
[05:41] <zazeem> then
[05:41] <zazeem> poof
[05:41] <zazeem> see blak console for 2 sec then nvidia screen then login
[05:41] <FLeiXiuS> zazeem: if possible set the game to run at the same exact resolution as your desktop..
[05:41] <zazeem> k how?
[05:41] <zazeem> cant get in it
[05:41] <FLeiXiuS> zazeem: your the player, tell me
[05:42] <zazeem> lol
[05:42] <eyequeue> zazeem, lay off the enter key please
[05:42] <zazeem> sorry
[05:42] <FLeiXiuS> zazeem: they make a spectacular search engine .. called .. "google"
[05:42] <randabis> I'd check some enemy territory sites or rtfm
[05:42] <randabis> dunno
[05:42] <cowbud> what is the best mp3 tag organizer of doom?
[05:42] <FLeiXiuS> randabis: definately rtfm.  All games come with configuration files / parameters for command line.
[05:43] <zazeem> i cant find where et is installed to
[05:43] <randabis> it's probably /usr/local/games
[05:44] <FLeiXiuS> zazeem: Was it a linux installer or, wine?
[05:44] <randabis> so FLeiXiuS, did you ever get that weird problem with your hard drive sorted out on the install cds?
[05:44] <randabis> it was native linux
[05:44] <bigtony> where bout can i get ndiswrapper for ubuntu i tried apt-get install ndiswrapper andn othing
[05:45] <randabis> ubuntu already comes with ndiswrapper
[05:45] <FLeiXiuS> randabis: Sure did, I zero'ed the entire drive, and it flushed the partition tables..worked fluently
[05:45] <randabis> you just have to set it up
[05:45] <randabis> FLeiXiuS, that's good...that was definitely trixy
[05:45] <FLeiXiuS> randabis: very, first time I've encountered that sort of error.
[05:45] <randabis> bigtony, sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[05:45] <zazeem> how do i change my resolution? ill tr to match it to what it changes to
[05:46] <bigtony> ok thanks
[05:46] <crimsun> zazeem: xrandr
[05:46] <zazeem> ?
[05:46] <FLeiXiuS> zazeem: search more, ask less
[05:46] <randabis> lol
[05:48] <randabis> he'll be back...his xserver restarted again lol
[05:50] <zazeem> any way to reset packets installed in synaptic to defaults?
[05:52] <snowblink> hmmm. I think this has something to do with gnomevfs
[05:53] <bigtony> randabis do you use ndiswrapper?
[05:54] <bigtony> i have a real noob question if you or anyone does i got this driver i think will work for my laptop wireless
[05:54] <bigtony> and i made the ndiwrapper -i <inffile> and all can't i port that file to the lappy?
[05:56] <snowblink> bigtony: I thought you were supposed to run that all on the target box
[05:56] <bigtony> or is there a way i can put ndiswrapper-ultis on a floppy
[05:56] <bigtony> well i'm just trying with what i have :(
[05:56] <bigtony> lappy has no internet connection
[05:57] <bigtony> so i'm out of ideas :(
[05:57] <snowblink> bigtony: ndiswrapper-utils isn't on the CD?
[05:57] <bigtony> i don't think so it might be honestly how do i check sorry :(
[05:58] <snowblink> bigtony: open synaptic, and re-enable the cdrom option
[05:58] <bigtony> ok
[05:58] <snowblink> bigtony: actually make sure that's the only one enabled
[05:58] <snowblink> bigtony: then refresh
[05:58] <snowblink> bigtony: then search for ndis
[05:59] <bigtony> well i see it in there
[05:59] <bigtony> ndiswrapper-source 0.12.1
[05:59] <bigtony> uninstall that ?
[05:59] <snowblink> did you install that?
[05:59] <bigtony> yeah froma  deb
[06:00] <bigtony> you say from the cd right
[06:00] <snowblink> well just because you can't get a net connection on your laptop
[06:00] <bigtony> i havne't really used gnome i was using the shell on flux so i'm new
[06:00] <snowblink> ah
[06:00] <snowblink> well you can do this command line
[06:00] <snowblink> using apt
[06:01] <bigtony> ok but let me get the cd hang on and thanks
[06:01] <bigtony> ok i have the cd
[06:01] <snowblink> put it in the laptop
[06:01] <snowblink> you okay with vi?
[06:02] <bigtony> not my best i use gedit
[06:02] <bigtony> or pico
[06:02] <bigtony> but whatever works
[06:02] <snowblink> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:02] <snowblink> uncomment the line beginning deb cdrom
[06:02] <bigtony> ok
[06:03] <bigtony> it wasn't commented
[06:03] <snowblink> comment the rest (add a hash to the beginning)
[06:03] <snowblink> if it's new, it will probably be like that already
[06:03] <bigtony> yeah brand new install
[06:03] <snowblink> okay you can get out of there now
[06:03] <bigtony> i haven't modifed it with testing and universe and all yet
[06:03] <snowblink> sudo apt-cache search ndis
[06:04] <snowblink> any luck?
[06:04] <bigtony> let me look
[06:04] <bigtony> nope
[06:04] <bigtony> it works fine on the desktop cause i installed ndis..utils
[06:05] <bigtony> thats why i was wondering if i could port it over
[06:05] <snowblink> what you could do is install the deb for ubuntu
[06:05] <HyBRyD> alguien habla espaol
[06:05] <snowblink> HyBRyD: #ubuntu-es
[06:05] <bigtony> ok that would work
[06:05] <bigtony> you have a link for it?
[06:05] <bigtony> ill put it on a floppy
[06:05] <farruinn> bigtony: did you apt-get update before running apt-cache?
[06:05] <bigtony> and put it in the lappy
[06:06] <Soupster> I am attempting to enable windows networking in Warty, but when I click the checkbox in Network Settings I get a message that SMB support is not installed. Any ideas?
[06:06] <snowblink> yup
[06:06] <bigtony> ok well let me try that
[06:07] <farruinn> bigtony: changes to /etc/apt/sources.list don't take effect until you run 'sudo apt-get update'
[06:07] <bigtony> there was no changes made in it
[06:07] <farruinn> oh, I must have misunderstood what snowblink was telling you to do then
[06:07] <farruinn> nm then =)
[06:07] <bigtony> no he told me that
[06:07] <snowblink> ndiswrapper should maybe be included on the CD...
[06:07] <bigtony> but it was no need for a change
[06:08] <bigtony> i don't think it is
[06:08] <snowblink> yeah, but lots of people have this catch 22 situation
[06:08] <HyBRyD> espaol
[06:08] <HyBRyD> alguien
[06:09] <snowblink> HyBRyD: probaste #ubuntu-es?
[06:09] <HyBRyD> jajajaja no lo vi
[06:09] <bigtony> you have the url for the deb please?
[06:10] <HyBRyD> no existe
[06:10] <syn-ack> HyBRyD: You are the first member then.
[06:10] <snowblink> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/
[06:10] <HyBRyD> no hay canales en espaol por aca
[06:11] <bigtony> thank you i hope this works
[06:11] <snowblink> #ubuntu-es looks a little empty at the moment...
[06:12] <bigtony> which one?
[06:12] <bigtony> the orc one ?
[06:12] <bigtony> as in 12. or 10?
[06:12] <snowblink>  ndiswrapper-utils_0.10-1_i386.deb
[06:12] <snowblink> you're on warty right?
[06:12] <bigtony> yes
[06:12] <bigtony> ok let me try thanks
[06:12] <randabis> Soupster, you need to install samba, samba-common, and smbfs
[06:13] <bigtony> then do a sudo dpkg -i <packagename> on the lappy right?
[06:13] <snowblink> yup
[06:14] <ironwolf_> haggai: one more time, how do I build OOo with java?  I got apt-get source openoffice.org ... I couldn't find the .deb from Debian with Java.
[06:14] <bigtony> ok trying now
[06:14] <bigtony> one more thing do i need anyting other than the inf file like a sys file or what?
[06:15] <bigtony> all the stuff from dell in regard to that driver is too big for a floppy
[06:15] <snowblink> compressed?
[06:15] <bigtony> no i need to compress it
[06:15] <bigtony> let me see if i can get ndiswrapper installed first
[06:16] <bigtony> brb
[06:17] <Soupster> randabis - thanks, I thought they were installed, but now i look more closely I can see they're not all
[06:19] <snowblink> HyBRyD: Tiene una pregunta? Habla ingles?
[06:20] <HyBRyD> i speak a litle bit english
[06:21] <crimsun> (there is a #ubuntu-es, too)
[06:21] <snowblink> crimsun: pretty empty
[06:21] <crimsun> gar, well that does little good then.
[06:23] <bigtony> hell: this thing will not write to the floppy
[06:23] <bigtony> it shows 0 bytes
[06:24] <snowblink> bigtony: do you have an ethernet port on your laptop?
[06:24] <bigtony> yeah
[06:24] <bigtony> but i can't get it to work either
[06:24] <bigtony> bcm4401
[06:24] <snowblink> bigtony: would recommend getting that sorted first
[06:24] <bigtony> been trying all night on it
[06:24] <bigtony> well if you are willing to help i'm willing ot listn
[06:24] <snowblink> bigtony: give it a shot
[06:24] <bigtony> ok
[06:25] <snowblink> bigtony: can your system see the card?
[06:25] <bigtony> with lspci
[06:25] <bigtony> yes
[06:25] <digress> what is the default admin password for ubuntu?
[06:25] <snowblink> digress: root password not set by default
[06:25] <FLeiXiuS> digress: there is no default.
[06:25] <farruinn> digress: use sudo and your normal user password
[06:25] <snowblink> bigtony: ifconfig -a shows the card?
[06:26] <bigtony> i thin so let me lok
[06:26] <digress> farruinn, thanks a lot
[06:26] <bigtony> yeah
[06:26] <bigtony> i see eth0
[06:26] <bigtony> but no internet address
[06:26] <bigtony> i can't get it to dhcp it
[06:26] <farruinn> digress: np, check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo for more =)
[06:26] <snowblink> bigtony: just to check, is there a cable attached to something?
[06:27] <bigtony> well right now the cable is connected to this computer
[06:27] <bigtony> i dont' have a extra cable or id hook them both to the router
[06:27] <bigtony> :(
[06:27] <snowblink> bigtony: is it a cross over cable?
[06:27] <bigtony> its a straight
[06:27] <snowblink> bigtony: won't work then
[06:27] <bigtony> crossover to what?
[06:27] <bigtony> i have a crossover
[06:28] <snowblink> bigtony: ah get that
[06:28] <bigtony> if thats what your asking
[06:28] <snowblink> bigtony: plug it in
[06:28] <bigtony> and samba?
[06:28] <snowblink> bigtony: samba?
[06:28] <bigtony> just trying to figure out what your trying to do
[06:28] <bigtony> but go ahead
[06:28] <bigtony> crosserver the lappty to the desktop?
[06:29] <snowblink> bigtony: crossover cable if you're connecting desktop to laptop directly (no hub)
[06:29] <bigtony> i understand
[06:29] <bigtony> i was jsut wondering why you wanted the crossover
[06:29] <bigtony> but then id have to setup internet sharing and all
[06:30] <snowblink> bigtony: oh no, we're just going to transfer files from your desktop to your laptop
[06:30] <bigtony> ok
[06:30] <snowblink> bigtony: to get your wireless working
[06:30] <bigtony> ok sounds great
[06:30] <bigtony> i have the crossover
[06:30] <snowblink> bigtony: presumably then you can access internet via that
[06:30] <geppy> I'm looking for a Linux CLI application that can do downsampling and compression of music files.  It would be used in developing a sound effects library, for the purpose of making available lower-quality samples of the music files.
[06:30] <bigtony> yes the desktop i can
[06:30] <bigtony> thats what i'm talking to you on
[06:30] <bigtony> i have ubuntu on it
[06:30] <bigtony> and have used samba to the lappy
[06:31] <bigtony> but it was when it had winders
[06:31] <snowblink> bigtony: connect the crossover cable from laptop to desktop
[06:31] <bigtony> so i ditched windows on the lappy and here i am :)
[06:31] <snowblink> bigtony: good/brave/foolish - pick one. ;)
[06:31] <bigtony> done
[06:31] <bigtony> i thin its good
[06:31] <bigtony> i like ubuntu
[06:31] <bigtony> just wish i was more advanced in linux to get it working like i want
[06:32] <bigtony> tahts why i went to the shell so i figured if learned the shell first the gui would be easy
[06:32] <bigtony> just my thought
[06:32] <bigtony> anyway crossover is installed
[06:32] <dr_willis> the gui is easy :P
[06:32] <dr_willis> the shell is easy :p
[06:32] <dr_willis> Life is good.
[06:34] <HyBRyD> hey snowbling
[06:35] <Stew2> Anyone have a good link to Setting up Shorewall?
[06:35] <snowblink> HyBRyD: buenas
[06:35] <HyBRyD> no te sabes un canal en espaol
[06:35] <snowblink> HyBRyD: si, pero no hay gente ahora por alla
[06:36] <HyBRyD> pasalo para tenerlo en mente
[06:42] <chutwig> friends
[06:42] <chutwig> please to help resolve an issue that seems to be caused by the HAL service starting and locking the system
[06:44] <tritium> testing the LiveCD with qemu is sort of fun
[06:45] <rellik> anyone here use dual monitors?  I am trying to figure out how switch which monitor is my "default" one..  so when I put mplayer in "full screen" it goes to my LCD not my CRT
[06:45] <chutwig> it's weird as hell, though
[06:45] <chutwig> if i launch into recovery mode and load it then, it's fine
[06:45] <chutwig> but if i let it try to start on startup it freezes right when it gets to trying to start postfix
[06:45] <dr_willis> rellik,  thats in the XF86Config somewhere...
[06:46] <rellik> dr_willis, yeah that's where I'm stuck
[06:46] <dr_willis> ive had it working under mandrake in the past.. ages ago.
[06:46] <dr_willis> not tried lately.. my desk is too small now
[06:48] <chutwig> also, what's the debconf command to re-run x configuration?
[06:50] <farruinn> chutwig: I think you mean sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:50] <chutwig> thank you
[06:50] <farruinn> or xserver-xorg if you're using hoary
[06:50] <chutwig> not at the moment, but i think it would be in my best interests to update, seeing as warty does not agree with my computer
[06:50] <chutwig> at least, dbus does not
[06:52] <Zoap> Hi, I`ve just installed ubuntu wharty and need some help with root password
[06:53] <farruinn> Zoap: use sudo and your user password
[06:53] <farruinn> 'sudo [command] ' then enter your password when prompted
[06:53] <farruinn> see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo for details
[06:54] <Zoap> farruinn: yeah, i know. but at installation i never got the option to input root password. it said that i would do so via sudo later...
[06:54] <Stew2> When I add a second hard drive to this ubuntu hoary system I'm running, what will it appear as?
[06:54] <farruinn> Zoap: check the wiki page
[06:55] <Zoap> ok, another q, farruinn: where is the gnome control panel? the debian menu?
[06:55] <Stew2> I have a user, /home/user, that I want to take their user folder and mount it on the second hard drive.
[06:55] <farruinn> Stew2: you'd just have to change your /etc/fstab to mount the new drive at /home/user
[06:56] <Stew2> I want to delete their home folder (moving it) to the second hard drive, and create a symlink in /home called 'user' pointing at the new drive.
[06:57] <Zoap> btw farruinn: i really love ubuntu, no messy programs, just the newest packages with no more, this is just great..
[06:57] <Stew2> What is the command to format/prep the drive?
[06:57] <farruinn> Zoap: yeah, I know what you mean =)
[06:58] <Stew2> I'm opening the box now to put the new disk in. As soon as the ubuntu shuts down.
[06:58] <Zoap> but farruinn: if i can bother you, i cant find the gnome control panel menu? and the debian menu? can you please help me with this before i run off to wiki?:)
[06:58] <farruinn> Zoap: the gnome control panels are in the Computer>Desktop Preferences menu... and I think there's a package you can install to get a debian menu
[06:59] <Zoap> ok, thanx:)
[06:59] <farruinn> I think its menu-xdg, but iirc that's only for hoary =(
[07:00] <farruinn> Stew2: I'm assuming that you're installing a second ide drive?
[07:01] <Zoap> dooh, <-- stupid... eh, you say computer>desktop prefrences menu.... where can i find that? i have no icons on desktop...
[07:01] <Zoap> <--- newbie, sorry..
[07:01] <farruinn> upper-left-hand-corner, next to applications menu
[07:02] <Zoap> thnx:) going now, <---00 even stupider, be back later:)
[07:04] <hypa7ia> HOARY ROCKS!  also, does anyone have an idea as to why my gnome-terms might not be colouring things properly?
[07:06] <defile> hypa7ia, properly?
[07:06] <defile> you mean ls output?
[07:06] <hypa7ia> well, at all, for starters
[07:07] <hypa7ia> yup
[07:07] <defile> what happens if you type 'ls -l --color=tty' ?
[07:07] <hypa7ia> ooohs neat
[07:08] <hypa7ia> that works
[07:08] <defile> cool
[07:08] <hypa7ia> my prompt isn't coloured either
[07:08] <mike_> anybody here has an idea how can i install xmms
[07:08] <defile> add an alias in your ~/.bashrc
[07:08] <zenrox> mike_,  sudo apt-get install xmms
[07:08] <hypa7ia> mike_: http://ubuntuguide.org
[07:08] <zenrox> that too
[07:09] <hypa7ia> mike_: need to add apt sources.... start with the guide :-)
[07:09] <hypa7ia> defile: thanks :-)
[07:09] <defile> hypa7ia, okay, now for the colorized prompt, there should be an option in your ~/.bashrc to uncomment a PS1 line to get a colorized prompt
[07:09] <hypa7ia> awesome
[07:09] <hypa7ia> i'll have a poke in that config
[07:09] <hypa7ia> thank you so much!
[07:10] <defile> not sure if it's in hoary, but if it is, make sure you comment out the non-colorized PS1 line
[07:10] <hypa7ia> it worked ootb in warty
[07:10] <hypa7ia> was just weirded out that it didn't in hoary
[07:11] <defile> if it's not there, let me know, I'll past the colorized PS1 from warty
[07:11] <hypa7ia> thanks :-)
[07:11] <defile> er paste
[07:11] <keldrum> Hey All, anyone aware of a an update for the evolution-exchange connector for ubuntu?
[07:12] <defile> hypa7ia, for your colorized ls, here is the alias you'd need
[07:12] <defile> alias ls='ls --color=auto'
[07:12] <hypa7ia> defile: it appears that i have no bashrc
[07:12] <hypa7ia> odd, that
[07:12] <defile> .bashrc
[07:12] <defile> in your home directory
[07:13] <hypa7ia> i know
[07:13] <defile> hmmm
[07:13] <hypa7ia> missing -_^
[07:13] <da_bon_bon> hey, does anyone have a proxy server setup on a local box ? i want to use it. my bloody isp spies on all i surf.. :((
[07:13] <hypa7ia> da_bon_bon: http://tor.eff.org
[07:14] <da_bon_bon> yes, but isnt a local box better ?
[07:14] <Zoap> farruinn: you there?
[07:14] <farruinn> Zoap: yep
[07:14] <hypa7ia> da_bon_bon: but TOR is way cool
[07:14] <melazyboy2> Oh you guys are talking about aliases
[07:14] <melazyboy2> I have the best one for you
[07:15] <melazyboy2> alias /bin/cat=foo
[07:15] <da_bon_bon> hypa7ia: but slows down my net too right ?
[07:15] <hypa7ia> da_bon_bon: my friend that uses it regularly says it's pretty fast
[07:15] <melazyboy2> In bash v.2.05b you can make that l33t alias like i did
[07:15] <da_bon_bon> hypa7ia: ok..
[07:16] <Zoap> good:) i went to wiki as you told me and followed the steps for creating root as usual unix "sudo passw root". but get message that password is incorrect. and im using my normal password as the wiki said.. any ideas farruinn?
[07:16] <Rattboi24> quick question
[07:16] <Rattboi24> will PPC ubuntu autofind the airport card?
[07:16] <mike_> i followede the instruction on multimedia install but i got a dependencies error
[07:17] <Rattboi24> I know airport exress isn't handled, but what about the older airport?
[07:17] <farruinn> Zoap: so you're entering your current user password first at the 'password:' prompt, right?
[07:17] <Zoap> farruinn: but i do get to go into the "Users and Groups" panel. So if you could give me a small hint about what to do i would apreciate it:) i tried to make a root account but got answer that it allready excisted..
[07:17] <Zoap> farruinn: yes
[07:18] <farruinn> Zoap: right, root exists, it's just disabled by default
[07:18] <Zoap> ok, how do i give it a passw then farruinn?
[07:18] <Zoap> or how do i enable it..
[07:18] <dr_willis> would you all say that -->  "ubuntu - borders on VERY paranoid when it comes to secuity"   or just "Slightly paranoid"
[07:18] <eyequeue> Zoap:  step one, as user, sudo passwd
[07:18] <Stew2> farruinn: yes. I've installed the second drive.
[07:18] <Zoap> ok
[07:19] <eyequeue> Zoap:  step two, give the user password
[07:19] <Stew2> farruinn: How do I format it in ubuntu?
[07:19] <eyequeue> Zoap:  step three, give and confirm the new root password
[07:19] <farruinn> Stew2: I think you want to use a partition tool such as parted
[07:19] <hypa7ia> YAY colour termy goodness
[07:19] <hypa7ia> thanks defile!
[07:19] <EvolutionR> anybody use pppoeconf b4?
[07:20] <Stew2> farruinn I'm ssh'd in.
[07:20] <Zoap> eyequeue: wooow, slow down, step two, how do i give the user password?
[07:20] <eyequeue> Zoap:  when it asks you for it, type it at the keyboard
[07:20] <Zoap> lol, ok, done that:O)
[07:21] <Stew2> farruinn: K. I've fired up parted.
[07:21] <farruinn> Stew2: the new drive is ide set to slave?
[07:21] <Stew2> farruinn Yes, slave on the second bus.
[07:21] <Stew2> farruinn The primary bus has one master drive, that's all.
[07:21] <EvolutionR> my wastebin contains a file called abc.txt lock only root, but when I try to delete it / empty it on tash the file disappear?
[07:21] <defile> hypa7ia, no problem
[07:21] <Zoap> eyequeue and farruinn: thnx, that solved it:)
[07:21] <Stew2> farruinn I'm at the parted prompt. I typed 'select' but I don't know the name of the second /dev
[07:21] <farruinn> Stew2: ok, so just create one ext3 partition on /dev/hdd
[07:22] <eyequeue> Zoap:  now you have satisfied sudo ... next you give input to the passwd program
[07:22] <Zoap> eyequeue: eeh, ok.. how?
[07:22] <rellik> in which file should I put aliases?  ~/.bash_profile ?
[07:22] <farruinn> Stew2: as long as you're sure it's slave on the secondary ide bus
[07:23] <ironwolf> rellik: mine are in ~/.bashrc
[07:23] <eyequeue> Zoap:  you're now running "as" root via sudo, so when it asks you to set a password for root, you do so, again via the keyboard
[07:23] <Zoap> ok, done that:)
[07:23] <EvolutionR> How come sometimes when I point to a file/folder with a lock icon, it will disappear. How to make them appear again?
[07:23] <Zoap> eyequeue: another q, if i may: what is the easiest way to configure alsa?
[07:23] <farruinn> Zoap: if you've gone through the "Enter UNIX password:" etc you're done
[07:23] <whiprush> you don't need to set a root password, just use sudo -s to get a rool shell.
[07:24] <Zoap> ok
[07:24] <EvolutionR> can someone help me here?
[07:24] <eyequeue> Zoap:  if i could get my sound working here, i might be a better person to ask :( as it is ,i don't feel competent in sound questions
[07:24] <Stew2> farruinn Yup.
[07:25] <Zoap> but isnt there any control panel for it? ive used alsa in LibraNet with no problems(ESS18XX)
[07:25] <Stew2> farruinn: Is there an interface for parted?
[07:25] <Stew2> farruinn SOmething friendly'er
[07:25] <eyequeue> Zoap:  thee may well be, but as i said, i have no sound here, so can't say
[07:25] <Zoap> But LibraNet has the xadminmenu, which i like
[07:25] <Zoap> hehe, ok, thnx anyway:)
[07:25] <Stew2> farruinn: What's the interface I used when I was setting up ubuntu?
[07:25] <rellik> ironwolf, k, thanks...  what's the difference between things to put in bashrc and bash_profile?
[07:25] <Zoap> ill just pop into #alsa and ask them:)
[07:26] <ironwolf> Stew2: QTparted may be what your looking for.
[07:26] <Zoap> thanx for the help:)
[07:26] <Stew2> ironwolf
[07:26] <farruinn> Stew2: apropos partition will give you a bunch of options, tbh though I thought that parted was the partitioner used by ubuntu installer
[07:26] <keldrum> Anyone having trouble connecting to an exchange 2003 srv using evolution?
[07:26] <keldrum> I get a "cannot connect to backend process" error
[07:26] <Stew2> farruinn: Yeah, mabye parted -was- used. However, it didn't have this interface. It was nice and friendly at the time.
[07:27] <Stew2> farruinn Is ironwolf right? Is there a program I install with synaptic to get this puppy rolling?
[07:27] <keldrum> I thin it has to do with the connector but haven't been able to update it. What can I do to get it working?
[07:27] <farruinn> Stew2: yup, qtparted should be good
[07:28] <farruinn> is there no gnome partitioner?
[07:28] <defile> Stew2, .bash_profile is read when the login shell is interactive, .bashrc is read regardless
[07:30] <keldrum> #evolution
[07:31] <bitfoo> wtf is gdesklets :|
[07:32] <Dreamer3> i wish i knew for sure
[07:35] <snowblink> bitfoo: things which sit on your desktop and tell you the weather in Brazil
[07:35] <Stew2> Yo peoples. How do I add stuff to my menu? So far, I've installed bluefish and qtparted, but they don't show up in the GNOME menu.
[07:35] <EvolutionR> Do anyone experience this, point to the file then it disappear from view?
[07:35] <Stew2> bitfoo: Or sweden. Where I'll be soon.
[07:36] <snowblink> snowblink: or how much disk space you have left
[07:36] <Stew2> bitfoo: Or other stuff.
[07:36] <snowblink> snowblink: install it - you'll love it
[07:36] <Stew2> bitfoo: Drink the Koolaid.
[07:37] <farruinn> Stew2: have you logged out since installing those things? sometimes they don't show up until you do
[07:37] <bitfoo> hmm
[07:37] <bitfoo> they dont work
[07:37] <bitfoo> their help file is useless
[07:37] <Stew2> farruinn Definitely with bluefish.
[07:37] <hypa7ia> Stew2: http://ubunguguide.org ... it's in there
[07:37] <Stew2> Farruinn that was installed a couple of days ago. I've logged out, and restarted, etc.
[07:37] <snowblink> bitfoo: you run one first, then add .displays
[07:37] <Stew2> hypa7ia Awww. Does it work for hoary too?
[07:37] <hypa7ia> yup
[07:38] <hypa7ia> :-)
[07:38] <bitfoo> i apt-got but nada ;|
[07:38] <bitfoo> help file = useless
[07:38] <bitfoo> non existent
[07:38] <bitfoo> they dont even tell you how to run one :|
[07:38] <Seamus> Hey guys -- got a question.  I'm running ubuntu on my dell inspiron 600m laptop, everything works great so far, except for the fact that I can't hot-swap out of my cd-rom drive without a kernel panic
[07:39] <nevyn> Seamus: I don't know if linux supports hot-swap IDE
[07:39] <snowblink> bitfoo: apt-cache search gdesklet
[07:39] <bitfoo> i have it installed
[07:40] <snowblink> bitfoo: check your applications menu
[07:40] <bitfoo> i have it instaleld
[07:40] <bitfoo> i can run it
[07:40] <bitfoo> nothing happens :|
[07:40] <Stew2> hypa7ia nautilus applications-all-users:/// is not a valid location.
[07:40] <bitfoo> the help file is non existent :|
[07:40] <nevyn> Seamus: and if it did you'd need to do something before pulling out the device.
[07:40] <Stew2> hypa7ia I'm reading the guide.
[07:40] <snowblink> bitfoo: you have to add displays
[07:40] <Seamus> nevyn: So there's no kernel option for it?
[07:40] <eyequeue> Seamus:  livecd or installed version?
[07:41] <Stew2> hypa7ia Any other ideas?
[07:41] <Seamus> eyequeue installed version
[07:41] <Stew2> hypa7ia Nautilus is up, running as root.
[07:41] <snowblink> bitfoo: are you on warty or hoary?
[07:41] <nevyn> eyequeue: hrm good point.. pulling the cd on the livecd would be bad news.
[07:41] <eyequeue> Seamus:  do you pwehaps need to umount the cd first? just guessing here
[07:41] <bitfoo> hoary
[07:41] <Seamus> eyequeue:  No cd, it's not mounted to begin with
[07:41] <eyequeue> nevyn:  yeah, heh
[07:42] <Stew2> Anyone know how to edit menus on ubuntu hoary? I've read the guide at ubuntuguide.org and it was wrong.
[07:42] <eyequeue> Seamus:  okay, i'm of no help to you then, sorry
[07:42] <froust> have any updates to the ati drivers been made lately?
[07:42] <konfoo> seamus did you check all your system logs
[07:42] <nevyn> but the real question is how do you tell it to do stuff like turn off the drive power and that. prior to removing the device.
[07:42] <EvolutionR> Do the Ubuntu provide Java runtime on the fresh installation?
[07:43] <nevyn> because you now need to re-scan the ide channel.. something that apparently works with stuff like hotswap IDE bays and that. but I don't know
[07:43] <konfoo> just download the jre, put it in a dir, add the path, and link the plugin to your browser
[07:43] <konfoo> 2 mins work
[07:43] <nevyn> EvolutionR: I don't think so.
[07:43] <snowblink> bitfoo: hmmm I'm on warty - probably newer version
[07:43] <Seamus> konfoo:  I haven't checked my logs.  Which file would the kernel dump to?
[07:43] <Stew2> evolutionR I guess that means no.
[07:43] <hypa7ia> Stew2: sorry, i thought it was the same as in warty, but i was wrong... dont' know what else to tell ya and i'm off to bed - so good luck :-)
[07:43] <bitfoo> Traceback (most recent call last):
[07:43] <bitfoo>   File "/usr/lib/gdesklets/factory/SensorFactory.py", line 42, in create_sensor
[07:43] <bitfoo>     os.chdir(p)
[07:43] <bitfoo> OSError: [Errno 2]  No such file or directory: '/usr/lib/gdesklets/../../share/gdesklets/Sensors'
[07:44] <bitfoo> wierd :|
[07:44] <konfoo> Seamus: /var/log/messages for starters
[07:44] <Stew2> hypa7ia thanks
[07:44] <EvolutionR> I'm on Hoary. I would like to have Java runtime 1.5 install? How do I get that by apt-get install java?
[07:44] <snowblink> bitfoo: on warty there were 2 files to install for gdesklets
[07:44] <snowblink> bitfoo: gdesklets-data
[07:44] <konfoo> Seamus: also kern.log, etc
[07:44] <snowblink> bitfoo: gdesklets
[07:45] <nevyn> EvolutionR: apt-get install java-package then download the .bin file. make the deb dpkg -i j2sdk1.5-blah.deb
[07:45] <Seamus> konfoo: are you sure it's set to dump by default?
[07:45] <konfoo> determine what kind of a interface your device has (it may not necessarily be straight ide), then step through mounting it, unmounting it, checking device manager, until you get the kpanic
[07:46] <konfoo> Seamus: i dunno, its your system, you tell me :)
[07:46] <melazyboy2> hey can someone tell me if this fails for them too, playing around with dd, 'dd if=/dev/zero of=./delme bs=1MB count=30' that should yield a 30MB file however it only yeilds a 20MB file
[07:46] <Seamus> konfoo: heh it's a straight out ouf the box ubuntu install ;)
[07:46] <snowblink> bitfoo: did you install both?
[07:46] <froust> can anyone recommend some really addictive games?
[07:47] <konfoo> froust: irc
[07:47] <chibif1> Addictive? World of Warcraft :P
[07:47] <dr_willis> chibif1,  been playing that also. :P
[07:47] <dr_willis> they got just the right mix of game play and depth and not too hard.. yet very chalangeing in places
[07:48] <snowblink> froust: frozen bubble
[07:48] <dr_willis> xmame  - for  the arcade classics
[07:48] <eyequeue> froust:  /usr/bin/atc
[07:48] <chibif1> xD
[07:48] <dr_willis> "rocks and diampnds"  - gotta love the boulderdash games.
[07:48] <chibif1> rogue :D
[07:48] <dr_willis> diamonds
[07:48] <eyequeue> atc (6)              - air traffic controller game
[07:48] <chibif1> rogue/nethack used to be all I ever played. :D
[07:48] <dr_willis> Frozen bubble is just seems TOO easy
[07:49] <snowblink> froust: nethack
[07:49] <konfoo> melazyboy2: 30000000 bytes transferred in 0.184461 seconds (162636078 bytes/sec)
[07:49] <snowblink> dr_willis: what level do you find hard?
[07:49] <froust> what kind of games are they?
[07:49] <dr_willis> in what snowblink ?
[07:50] <snowblink> dr_willis: frozen bubble
[07:50] <Seamus> konfoo: the kernel dumped to /var/log/messages.  it gave a bunch of status errors, reset ATAPI a couple times, and then eventually restarted.
[07:50] <dr_willis> snowblink,  i said Frozen bubble is not hard enough :P
[07:50] <EvolutionR> nevyn: is there any repos for the j2se 5.0 ?
[07:50] <dr_willis> snowblink,  thers several similer games out under MAME - that seem more of a challange and interesting.
[07:50] <Seamus> konfoo:  I've done this twice.  Booting up with the hot-swappable cd-rom drive and then attempting to remove it shortly after boot...
[07:51] <konfoo> melazyboy2: also, use 1024k, not 1MB
[07:51] <nevyn> EvolutionR: NO but using make-jpkg is pretty easy really
[07:51] <dr_willis> well night all
[07:51] <melazyboy2> konfoo: now run du -s on it.
[07:51] <melazyboy2> konfoo: I would rather use 1MB
[07:51] <konfoo>  30M 2005-01-28 22:50 test1
[07:51] <nevyn> EvolutionR: nobody can re-distribute java. it's a real pain in the neck.
[07:51] <melazyboy2> err du -h
[07:51] <b_e_n_z> nevyn, says who?
[07:51] <melazyboy2> mine shows 29mb when i run du -h
[07:51] <snowblink> froust: gnometris
[07:51] <EvolutionR> nevyn: u mean go to java website, download the bin file then dpkg to .deb ?
[07:51] <konfoo> yeah cause you used 1MB
[07:51] <nevyn> b_e_n_z: sun the licence...
[07:52] <konfoo> which is a human readable 29M
[07:52] <nevyn> b_e_n_z: ok SOME people can re-distribute java.
[07:52] <Stew2> Anyone know how to edit the GNOME menu with Nautilus?
[07:52] <syn-ack> EvolutionR: yes, thats what it means. Get the .rpm and alien it.
[07:52] <konfoo> 1024k yields 30MB human readable, which is correct
[07:52] <nevyn> EvolutionR: there's a package "java-package" which is a tool to convert it.
[07:52] <nevyn> syn-ack: don't do that.
[07:52] <syn-ack> nevyn: no?
[07:52] <konfoo> 31457280
[07:52] <EvolutionR> ok
[07:52] <nevyn> EvolutionR: don't do that. use java-package
[07:53] <melazyboy2> konfoo: How did i 'use' one megabyte, i told dd to output a file of 30megs in size, and told du to output the file's size
[07:53] <syn-ack> nevyn: reasoning? just wondering?
[07:53] <nevyn> syn-ack: aliening the rpm doesn't result in a package that matches policy or provides java-jre
[07:53] <konfoo> bs=1024k
[07:53] <nevyn> or whatever the virtual package is.
[07:53] <syn-ack> nevyn: aha
[07:53] <hou5ton> I'm checking forums to try and find out why my cdrom/dvd isn't autoloading on my new Ubuntu install
[07:53] <hou5ton> hello syn-ack
[07:54] <syn-ack> hou5ton.
[07:54] <hou5ton> any ideas
[07:54] <nevyn> if you use java-package then you get a package that works with alternatives and fits into debian better.
[07:54] <melazyboy2> konfoo: why the hell would it matter if i measured in k or mb, the program should just alias 1024k = 1MB
[07:54] <syn-ack> nevyn: ok
[07:54] <syn-ack> hou5ton: Ideas of?
[07:54] <hou5ton> why the cd isn't auto loading on this new install
[07:54] <nevyn> s/debian/ubuntu/g
[07:54] <hou5ton> it does on the other laptop
[07:54] <konfoo> melazyboy2: read the man file, its all there
[07:55] <melazyboy2> konfoo: And if i use 1024k i get a file 31mb in size when measured with du thats still 1mb over
[07:55] <konfoo> use M, not MB
[07:55] <syn-ack> hou5ton: your fstab setup correctly?
[07:55] <hou5ton> the cdrom isn't listed in /mnt or in /dev
[07:55] <syn-ack> hou5ton: its in /media/
[07:55] <hou5ton> right ,... i found two of them thre
[07:55] <hou5ton> cdrom and cdrom0
[07:55] <syn-ack> hou5ton: its /media/cdrom0
[07:56] <hou5ton> why aren't they automounting
[07:56] <syn-ack> hou5ton: is it setup in your fstab correctly?
[07:56] <Stew2> Does anyone know why I can't edit my GNOME menus?
[07:56] <nevyn> ok.. off to go onsite.
[07:56] <Stew2> I'm running hoary
[07:56] <farruinn> Stew2: someone said there are instructions at http://ubuntuguide.org
[07:56] <melazyboy2> melazyboy@l33t3r-th4n-th0u:~$ dd if=/dev/zero of=./delme bs=1M count=30
[07:56] <melazyboy2> 30+0 records in
[07:56] <melazyboy2> 30+0 records out
[07:56] <melazyboy2> 31457280 bytes transferred in 0.363261 seconds (86596910 bytes/sec)
[07:56] <melazyboy2> melazyboy@l33t3r-th4n-th0u:~$ du -h ./delme
[07:56] <melazyboy2> 31M     ./delme
[07:57] <melazyboy2> There konfoo explain.
[07:57] <hou5ton> syn-ack: remind me how to check that again, please
[07:57] <Stew2> farruinn: 'someone' was incorrect about nautilus on hoary.
[07:57] <zenrox> melazyboy2,  dont past here
[07:57] <konfoo> read the man file
[07:57] <linuxboy> whats the best way to access my fat32 partitions from Ubuntu?
[07:57] <zenrox> use www.pastbin.com please
[07:57] <konfoo> dont live up to your nick
[07:57] <konfoo> ls -lh delme
[07:57] <Stew2> farruinn: It's not working. I've tried opening start-here://, applications://
[07:57] <Stew2> farruinn: etc, etc,
[07:57] <melazyboy2> 19:55 Ignoring ALL from zenrox
[07:57] <melazyboy2> 19:55 Ignoring ALL from konfoo
[07:57] <farruinn> Stew2: have you tried right-clicking in the menu?
[07:58] <konfoo> fucking idiot
[07:58] <Stew2> farruinn Nope. Heheh
[07:58] <zenrox> what ever
[07:58] <eyequeue> Stew2:  i've hear youneed a triple slash, not a double
[07:58] <zenrox> ping daniels
[07:58] <melazyboy2> And the stupid chatter subsides.
[07:58] <hou5ton> Stew2: I just edited mine with applications://
[07:58] <eyequeue> Stew2:  *ons:///
[07:58] <syn-ack> hou5ton: hou5ton type "/exec -o cat /etc/fstab | grep cdrom
[07:58] <syn-ack> "
[07:59] <hou5ton> if you want to put in additional categories
[07:59] <konfoo> maybe some day melazyboy will learn how to differentiate between the likes of megabits and megabytes
[07:59] <hou5ton> otherwise, just right click in the menu where you want to add something
[07:59] <eyequeue> Stew2:  but i'm on warty, where i can confirm it works
[07:59] <hou5ton> and the Computer menu cannot be edited
[07:59] <syn-ack> hou5ton....
[08:00] <Stew2> farruinn: Right clicking brought up a help screen, which informed me something was missing, so it couldn't display the help content on the right panel.
[08:00] <syn-ack> hou5ton: hou5ton type "/exec -o cat /etc/fstab | grep cdrom" <- Do that without the quotes.
[08:00] <hou5ton> syn-ack: says no such file or dir when I do that in terminal
[08:00] <Stew2> eyequeue I -was- running warty, but it's pretty jake'd when only firefox 0.8 will run.
[08:01] <syn-ack>  hou5ton type sudo "/exec -o cat /etc/fstab | grep cdrom" <- Do that without the quotes.
[08:01] <konfoo> and the /
[08:01] <konfoo> oh, with the /
[08:02] <konfoo> my bad
[08:02] <eyequeue> Stew2:  deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/ warty-backports main universe
[08:02] <hou5ton> syn-ack: still says no such file or dir
[08:02] <eyequeue> Stew2:  that solved it for me
[08:02] <syn-ack> You have to have an fstab
[08:02] <syn-ack> you CANT have one...
[08:02] <konfoo> haha
[08:02] <syn-ack> cant NOT, that is
[08:03] <hou5ton> maybe i'm in an fstab free zone.  :)
[08:03] <konfoo> impossible
[08:03] <syn-ack> hou5ton: you wouldnt have any mounted drives
[08:03] <konfoo> unless your running windows and not telling us
[08:03] <syn-ack> hou5ton: without one, you would have a kernel panic and it would shit its self.
[08:03] <hou5ton> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[08:04] <hou5ton> ok.... do you see that
[08:04] <syn-ack> change that "noauto" to "auto"
[08:04] <EvolutionR> I've have the  jre1_5_0-linux-i586-rpm.bin, do I need alien to convert it to .deb package? But how?
[08:05] <zenrox> EvolutionR,  follow the ubuntuguide.com
[08:05] <zenrox> it will tell you how to install it
[08:05] <EvolutionR> okie
[08:05] <konfoo> nevyn: why are you making pain for yourself? get the non-rpm'd version, extract it somewhere like /opt/jre, add the bin directory to your PATH in your profile, and symlink the browser plugin to your mozilla plugins dir
[08:05] <zenrox> just so you know rpm is a bad thang
[08:05] <konfoo> and youre done
[08:05] <konfoo> evo even
[08:06] <rotundo> what does it mean when apt and synaptic warn that package cannot be authenticated ?
[08:06] <crimsun> rotundo: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[08:06] <rotundo> thanks
[08:07] <konfoo> haha and he left
[08:07] <konfoo> sigh
[08:07] <hou5ton> syn-ack: will i have to do anything else to get this cdrom to mount now?
[08:07] <syn-ack> hou5ton: iirc, gnome has an automounter...
[08:09] <nevyn> konfoo: because if I do that then whenever I dist-upgrade java points to kaffe again because it's the only one in the debian database
[08:10] <konfoo> nevyn: that was directed at evolutionr (bitchx nick completion on the tick again)
[08:10] <ChaosZ3RO> when will I be able to download hoary? Sorry if it's a really common question. :S
[08:10] <Stew2> Do I have to create the folder that will be the mountpoint?
[08:10] <konfoo> you can also tweak cd properties through gconf-editor, ala
[08:10] <konfoo> ./apps/gnome-cd
[08:11] <Stew2> For example: /dev/hdd    /home/username   ext3   defaults
[08:11] <Stew2> Do I create a folder named username in /home first?
[08:11] <konfoo> use /media
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> how do i make xmodmap forget its settings ?
[08:11] <konfoo> a subdir in there that is
[08:12] <farruinn> Stew2: you want to have an empty /home/username on /
[08:12] <Stew2> farruinn thanks
[08:12] <Stew2> konfoo thanks, this drive will be this user's storage space.
[08:12] <farruinn> Stew2: this is assuming that you have a one user system btw
[08:12] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  del the  hidden dir it creates in your /home/user dir
[08:12] <Stew2> farruinn No, I don't. This particular user account will have their own drive though...
[08:13] <konfoo> Stew2: ah ok. if its fixed then anywhere.. if its removable in nature then /media
[08:13] <farruinn> Stew2: wait, nm what I said
[08:13] <farruinn> you're fine
[08:13] <mike_> anybody here sucessfully installed wireless int on a thinkpad laptop
[08:14] <Stew2> How do I get ubuntu to load/reload the fstab?
[08:14] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: thanks.
[08:14] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  n/p
[08:14] <zenrox> Stew2,  sudo mount -a
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: it has made no hidden dir. i am looking for help coz it marked two of my important keys as DEAD_ACUTE!!
[08:16] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  its a .xmodmap
[08:17] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: no such dir.
[08:17] <zenrox> hmmm
[08:17] <zenrox> dont know then
[08:17] <Stew2> How do I unmount something? I created the folder username in /home (/home/username) and editing the fstab file. When I run 'mount -a' I get the message "mount: /dev/hdd already mounted or /home/username busy"
[08:17] <zenrox> thats what i do when gxine decides to misbehave
[08:17] <eyequeue> Stew2:  umount (u not un)
[08:18] <farruinn> zenrox: slap it, really hard
[08:18] <farruinn> ;p
[08:18] <zenrox> i have
[08:19] <zenrox> aplied sience dont work all the time
[08:19] <farruinn> :/
[08:19] <hou5ton> syn-ack: you here?
[08:19] <hou5ton> syn-ack: that did it
[08:19] <heliolith> Does anyone's system ever hang during boot?  Mine does once ever few boots, and I have to hit reset to get back on...  usually while system text is scrolling on the screen...  Just wondered if anyone here has come up against this?
[08:19] <hou5ton> the cd automounted
[08:19] <rotundo> I have gnupg installed but synaptic still says everything won't be authenticated.
[08:20] <crimsun> rotundo: did you glance over that wiki page?
[08:20] <eyequeue> heliolith:  mine "hangs" waiting for net connections to time out sometimes
[08:20] <rotundo> crimsun: yes
[08:21] <eyequeue> heliolith:  laptop, out of wifi range sometimes
[08:21] <rotundo> oops... I think I know whats wrong...
[08:21] <rotundo> thanks
[08:21] <heliolith> crimsun/ eyequeue so what do you do?  reset? or wait?
[08:21] <bitfoo> mine hangs sometimes when setting the time over the network
[08:22] <bitfoo> cuz it tries to use wifi :/
[08:22] <bitfoo> i just ctrl+c
[08:22] <eyequeue> heliolith:  just wait for the timeouts, nothing else will work here
[08:22] <heliolith> ok thank you both (:
[08:22] <hou5ton> anyone else here run into the problem of FireFox not importing favorites
[08:23] <eyequeue> bitfoo:  yeah, that's a weirdness i always ponder
[08:23] <Stew2> Mount keeps telling me the folder I want to mount the drive too is busy, farruinn.
[08:23] <bitfoo> yeah
[08:23] <Stew2> I made the folder with mkdir username inside /home, so it's /home/username
[08:23] <eyequeue> bitfoo:  it uses the wifi to sync time, and then a number of lines later it gets an addy via dhcp
[08:23] <bitfoo> yeah
[08:23] <bitfoo> its wierd
[08:23] <farruinn> Stew2: what does /etc/mtab say?
[08:23] <eyequeue> bitfoo:  how does it use the wofo before the interface is up???
[08:24] <bitfoo> exactly!!!
[08:24] <chibif1> bitfoo - You might also want to check if your BIOS clock is set correctly. It tends to take longer if it's a bit off.
[08:24] <Stew2> farruinn /etc/mtab doesn't say anything about /dev/hdd.
[08:24] <bitfoo> also i think it should be able to tell if the eth0 has connectivity first, then use wirless if needed :|
[08:24] <Stew2> I ran QTparted on the disk so far and created the ext3 partition.
[08:24] <chibif1> I was amazed at how much faster the sync went when I set my clock right. :o
[08:25] <Stew2> farruinn Do I have to reboot?
[08:25] <eyequeue> bitfoo:  glad to hear i'm not the only one scratching his head over that :)
[08:25] <bitfoo> lol
[08:25] <farruinn> Stew2: I don't htink you should have to, but it might be worth a shot
[08:25] <eyequeue> i should shampoo too, lol
[08:25] <Stew2> farruinn what is mtab supposed to say?
[08:26] <farruinn> Stew2: mtab stands for mount table, tells you what's currently mounted
[08:26] <Stew2> farruinn nope, it's not in there.
[08:26] <farruinn> but when you 'mount /dev/hdd /home/username' is says device busy?
[08:26] <farruinn> do you still have parted open?
[08:28] <Stew2> farruinn I tried editing fstab and saying /dev/hdd /media/hdd, and it says the same thing, that /dev/hdd is already mounted or /media/hdd is busy
[08:29] <Stew2> farruinn Nope, I don't have parted or QTparted open.
[08:29] <eyequeue> fuser?
[08:29] <Stew2> farruinn I just told it to 'shutdown -t 0 0 -r'
[08:29] <farruinn> you should have something along the lines of /dev/hdd /home/username ext3 ... in your fstab
[08:29] <Stew2> well c
[08:29] <commodude28> Okay
[08:30] <commodude28> I just installed
[08:30] <commodude28> unbuntu
[08:30] <commodude28> it is debian based
[08:30] <Stew2> farruinn yes. I did. It wasn't working. so I restarted.
[08:30] <commodude28> so I went to the debian site
[08:30] <delltony> question is there a reason why when i try sudo apt-cache update it gives me invalid operation?
[08:30] <commodude28> to figure out
[08:30] <commodude28> out to uninstall packages
[08:30] <farruinn> delltony: because you want sudo apt-get update =)
[08:30] <commodude28> but the link is broken
[08:30] <delltony> i tried sudo
[08:31] <eyequeue> mount without operands?
[08:31] <commodude28> So how I do that?
[08:31] <linuxboy> Has anyone here moved mail from Windows Thunderbird to Linux Thunderbird??? Any pointers for me?
[08:31] <heliolith> I just installed Ubuntu on a 2nd system, and am wondering how to update firefox correctly... on my main i just DL'ed the new version and installed that to a new location...  any recommendations?
[08:31] <commodude28> I just downloaded
[08:31] <delltony> says can't stat source package
[08:31] <commodude28> the precompiled
[08:31] <commodude28> shit
[08:31] <commodude28> from www.spreadfirefox.com
[08:32] <commodude28> I installed
[08:32] <commodude28> it
[08:32] <Stew2> if
[08:32] <Stew2> you
[08:32] <farruinn> must you push enter so often?
[08:32] <commodude28> so I wanna get rid of the .9
[08:32] <Stew2> talk
[08:32] <commodude28> something crap
[08:32] <commodude28> and been drinking too
[08:32] <commodude28> so
[08:32] <commodude28> help
[08:32] <Stew2> on one line per word it is filling up the channel.
[08:32] <commodude28> me if you can
[08:32] <Stew2> commodude28 you're going to get a lot of /ignore commodude28 all
[08:33] <commodude28> Thanks
[08:33] <Stew2> I don't care how drunk you are...
[08:33] <commodude28> but still
[08:33] <commodude28> dispite my
[08:33] <commodude28> well
[08:33] <commodude28> manner
[08:33] <commodude28> can
[08:33] <bitfoo> what can i do about "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.
[08:33] <bitfoo> for mplayer
[08:33] <commodude28> I get a site
[08:33] <delltony> after you cahnge the sources.list its just apt-cache update right?
[08:33] <eyequeue> rude does NOT get free support from me
[08:33] <bitfoo> but mplayer will play the video but not gmplayer :/
[08:33] <commodude28> or something
[08:33] <farruinn> delltony: apt-get update
[08:33] <delltony> aww
[08:33] <bitfoo> but mplayer will not play sound :|
[08:34] <delltony> thats more better :p
[08:34] <delltony> haha
[08:34] <eyequeue> delltony:  get, not cache
[08:34] <delltony> thanks
[08:34] <farruinn> delltony: np
[08:34] <delltony> finally got my laptop wireless working
[08:34] <bitfoo> anyone? :(
[08:34] <commodude28> crap
[08:34] <delltony> incase it hasn't been mentioned
[08:34] <commodude28> can I say that?
[08:34] <delltony> ndiswrapper needs to be put on the cd :(
[08:35] <bitfoo> :|
[08:35] <commodude28> Thanks
[08:36] <delltony> anyone happen to know the bookmark file for ff?
[08:37] <hou5ton> delltony: i've just finally got bookmarks imported in ff myself
[08:37] <hou5ton> there is a secret to it
[08:37] <delltony> mind sharing
[08:37] <delltony> :)
[08:37] <hou5ton> no matter what I tried, ... File / Import would not work
[08:38] <delltony> i was just gonna put the file in the dir
[08:38] <delltony> and call it a day
[08:38] <delltony> if i know wht file it is
[08:38] <hou5ton> i didn't get that to work either
[08:38] <delltony> hmm
[08:38] <delltony> well i'm open ears
[08:38] <hou5ton> but you can try ... ~/.mozilla/firefox and some profile
[08:38] <delltony> i was just gonna scp the file over
[08:38] <delltony> ok
[08:38] <ChaosZ3RO> Is there any way to install hoary from the live cd, or download a hoary iso?
[08:39] <hou5ton> anyway, i went to Bookmarks/Manage Bookmarks ... and the import function worked there
[08:39] <hou5ton> for me anyway
[08:39] <delltony> is it bookmarks.html?
[08:39] <hou5ton> the one that is in there now is
[08:39] <eyequeue> ~/.mozilla/firefox/default*/bookmarks.html
[08:39] <ubhuti> eyequeue: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:39] <hou5ton> the one i imported though was bookmark.htm
[08:39] <hou5ton> yep
[08:39] <delltony> ok
[08:40] <EvolutionR> I've installed the java .deb package. But I want to remove /uninstall it. Teach me how to uninstall it?
[08:40] <delltony> let me scp this over to the lappy
[08:40] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  sudo dpkg --purge packagename
[08:40] <EvolutionR> okie
[08:41] <heliolith> so to update firefox, do people generally Download, then uninstall .9, and install 1.0?  there's not a true update function for ff, correct? I can't find a thread on it
[08:41] <eyequeue> heliolith:  backports
[08:41] <eyequeue> heliolith:  in etc/apt/sources.list:  deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/ warty-backports main universe
[08:42] <heliolith> excellent; thanks!
[08:42] <eyequeue> np
[08:42] <EvolutionR> eyequeue: is dpkg -r packagename do the same thing?
[08:42] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  similar
[08:42] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  that leaves "droppings" behind, in terms of conffiles
[08:43] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  sometimes that is desirable, so you have both options
[08:43] <EvolutionR> but I want to remove the java completely!
[08:43] <EvolutionR> dont want leave anything behind
[08:43] <eyequeue> purge is more complete then remove
[08:44] <EvolutionR> okie
[08:44] <EvolutionR> but how to know what's the package name?
[08:44] <hou5ton> eyequeue: hmmm ... tell this newbie a little more about backports, if you may
[08:44] <delltony> houston so how did you get the html to work
[08:44] <delltony> i scp's it over
[08:44] <delltony> moved it to the dir and i get no bookmarks
[08:44] <eyequeue> dpkg -l java | grep ^i | less
[08:45] <hou5ton> that didn't work for me ... right
[08:45] <hou5ton> i had the same think happen.
[08:45] <delltony> yeah but i thought i was gonna give it a shot
[08:45] <hou5ton> :-)
[08:45] <delltony> how did you get it to work
[08:45] <farruinn> hou5ton: add this to your sources.list: deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/ warty-backports main universe
[08:46] <hou5ton> so, ... I went to Bookmarks/Manage Bookmarks/File/Import
[08:46] <hou5ton> and it worked that way
[08:46] <EvolutionR> eyequeue: after typing this in root terminal dpkg -l java | grep ^i | less , it shows black with "End" at the left hand bottom how to exit that thing?
[08:46] <delltony> and import the html?
[08:46] <eyequeue> hou5ton:  i should point you to some faq on a website if i knew one :)  basically, there's a handful of things in hoary that many seem to want, so they have been packaged to be compatible with warty
[08:46] <crimsun> farruinn: please be sure to warn people whom you advise regarding ubuntu-bp that dist-upgrading from warty->hoary may include difficulties
[08:46] <heliolith> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[08:46] <eyequeue> hou5ton:  two examples, 1.0 of firefox and thunderbird
[08:47] <farruinn> crimsun: ah, will do
[08:47] <heliolith> hou5ton that's a good reference that talks about universe
[08:47] <eyequeue> hou5ton:  this is a way to accomodate that without movong completely to hoary
[08:48] <EvolutionR> eyequeue: after typing this in root terminal dpkg -l java | grep ^i | less , it shows blank screen with "End" at the left hand bottom how to exit that thing/ back to prompt?
[08:48] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  press q
[08:48] <EvolutionR> ok
[08:48] <heliolith> this is about adding extra repositories here; http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories are repositories and backports nearly synonymous?
[08:49] <eyequeue> EvolutionR:  press q to quit "less" like for example when reading a man page too
[08:49] <crimsun> heliolith: a backport repo is an example of an external repo
[08:49] <farruinn> hou5ton: just to be sure you do'nt miss what crimsun said, backports can cause serious problems when upgrading to hoary, so you'll have to remove any installed backports
[08:49] <Stew2> How do I copy folders, files, everything inside a folder from the command line?
[08:49] <eyequeue> heliolith:  the "backports" repository is an additional repository
[08:49] <farruinn> Stew2: cp [source]  [destination] 
[08:49] <syn-ack> eyequeue: pinning is what I usually do, in Debian, I never really trusted backports. How are they in Ubuntu?
[08:50] <hou5ton> when would i be upgrading to hoary?
[08:50] <heliolith> linux.org has a great tutorial for commandline Stew2
[08:50] <eyequeue> heliolith:  it happens to contain backpoerted packages :)
[08:50] <hou5ton> i don't know that I'm linux enough yet to deal with too many problems
[08:50] <syn-ack> hou5ton: When its frozen, really.
[08:50] <eyequeue> syn-ack:  i've not had troubles myself
[08:50] <farruinn> hou5ton: hoary will be frozen in april
[08:50] <hou5ton> so, until then, i'm good to go huh?
[08:50] <heliolith> frozen meaning what?
[08:51] <hou5ton> i really just want the latest version of xchat
[08:51] <syn-ack> eyequeue: Hell, I tracking bugs anyway, so Im just running Hoary anyway. ;)
[08:51] <hou5ton> do backports get that for me?
[08:51] <Stew2> farruinn 'cp  *  /home/username'?
[08:51] <syn-ack> hou5ton: they should.
[08:51] <eyequeue> hou5ton:  warty will probably suit you well until the hoary release
[08:51] <syn-ack> s/I/I'm
[08:51] <crimsun> syn-ack: generally, of the same "quality" unless certain precautions are made for the versioning. For example, my repo's packages, when installed, ensure a smooth dist-upgrade from warty->hoary.
[08:51] <heliolith> When one wishes to move from warty to hoary is it like a complete reinstall or some sort of update?
[08:51] <Stew2> farruinn: It's doing something..
[08:52] <eyequeue> hou5ton:  a 6month release cycle isn't too long to be patient ;)
[08:52] <syn-ack> crimsun: right right
[08:52] <hou5ton> :-)
[08:52] <farruinn> Stew2: no, use the name of the dir you want to copy to /home/username
[08:52] <crimsun> syn-ack: "of the same 'quality'" meaning that those backports are of the same "quality" as Debian backports, which is to say that mostly they don't adhere to the versioning guidelines
[08:52] <Stew2> heliolith It was like an update for me.
[08:52] <eyequeue> heliolith:  it's one command actually, but not advised for a newbie
[08:52] <EvolutionR> Which one should I choose for the Mozilla Firefox plugin. JRE 1.5  ns7 or ns7gcc29?
[08:52] <Stew2> farruinn too late.
[08:52] <hou5ton> ya, ... agreed ... but is there an easy way to go ahead and get the latest xchat?
[08:52] <syn-ack> EvolutionR: ns7.
[08:52] <eyequeue> hou5ton:  2.4.1 is in backports
[08:53] <hou5ton> k
[08:53] <syn-ack> hou5ton: backports or pinning.
[08:53] <syn-ack> backports are safer.
[08:53] <heliolith> Warty is more than good enough for me, I'm in no hurry!  Thanks for all you bleeding edge folk clearing the bugs out for us!
[08:53] <syn-ack> heliolith: no problem.
[08:53] <hou5ton> so, .. let me make sure I understand this .. i put in the backports line, nad then reload the synaptic, and the latest xchat will be there to install?
[08:54] <eyequeue> right
[08:54] <hou5ton> cool
[08:54] <eyequeue> well, 2.4.1
[08:54] <syn-ack> hou5ton: or you can from a term type "sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade xchat
[08:54] <eyequeue> i don't know if this is "latest" or not really
[08:54] <syn-ack> "
[08:55] <bitfoo> hoary = way too unstable for me so i install warty again tomorrow :|
[08:55] <eyequeue> -eyequeue- VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.10-1-686 [i686/598.88MHz] 
[08:55] <EvolutionR> syn-ack: should do a -s /usr/java/j2re1.5.0/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so in the mozilla-firefox current dir?
[08:56] <EvolutionR> bitfoo: how unstable?
[08:56] <syn-ack> EvolutionR: you know how to symlink, right
[08:56] <syn-ack> ?
[08:57] <EvolutionR> yeah
[08:57] <bitfoo> unstable enough that I can't play ET or any movies :|
[08:57] <syn-ack> EvolutionR: then thats what you do.
[08:57] <syn-ack> bitfoo: I can play movies just fine.
[08:57] <EvolutionR> all rite
[08:57] <hou5ton> where did I go wrong: .. Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net warty-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net_ubuntu_dists_warty-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[08:57] <bitfoo> well you != bitfoo
[08:57] <bitfoo> so... :|
[08:58] <EvolutionR> u play movies with wat movie player?
[08:58] <bitfoo> i try mplayer and xine :|
[08:58] <bitfoo> xine say device is always busy :/
[08:58] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, I use mplayer.
[08:58] <bitfoo> mplayer plays movies with no sound, gmplayer will load nothing :|
[08:58] <bitfoo> i say -ao esd but nothing :|
[08:58] <EvolutionR> u use the rpm or source?
[08:59] <syn-ack> -syn-ack- VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.10-2-686 [i686/2.39GHz] 
[08:59] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, I dont touch rpms.
[08:59] <EvolutionR> syn-ack u download the sources?
[08:59] <hou5ton> syn-ack: here's the line I typed in:.....deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/ warty-backports main universe
[08:59] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, no.
[08:59] <bitfoo> i used source :|
[08:59] <hou5ton> but it didn't work out
[08:59] <EvolutionR> oic bitfoo
[09:00] <syn-ack> what is the error, hou5ton?
[09:00] <bitfoo> still totem should have worked
[09:00] <bitfoo> then again i have never ever gotten totem to work :/
[09:00] <hou5ton> where did I go wrong: .. Couldn't stat source package list http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net warty-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net_ubuntu_dists_warty-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[09:00] <syn-ack> hou5ton, is it setup right?
[09:00] <syn-ack> OH
[09:01] <syn-ack> I know what it is.
[09:01] <syn-ack> hou5ton, comment out some of your other sources.
[09:01] <syn-ack> like one or two of them.
[09:01] <hou5ton> ok ... so it doesn't matter which one?
[09:01] <bitfoo> i think you have to apt-get update first :|
[09:02] <syn-ack> hou5ton, then make sure the line looks EXACTLY like this... : deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports main universe
[09:02] <EvolutionR> syn-ack: I haven't try Mplayer or Xine on the Ubuntu Distro. But I've tried on Suse 9.2 it works Eg. Divx, avi ...etc
[09:02] <bitfoo> :|
[09:02] <bitfoo> i will EAT YOU
[09:02] <bitfoo> you and your fancy movie players :(
[09:02] <EvolutionR> ehhehehe
[09:03] <bitfoo> i go back to warty :|
[09:03] <heliolith> I'm a teacher, and I'm installing Ubuntu on a box for my classroom (of 2nd graders) is there anything I need to do to protect the system from being messed up?  should I create a student login or something with limited priveledges do you think?
[09:03] <bitfoo> my excursion into devel land has proven too dangerous :|
[09:03] <hou5ton> syn-ack: did you leave a / off after ubuntu?
[09:03] <EvolutionR> bitfoo: I'm on Hoary too! I'll test whether the Mplayer or Xine work later!
[09:03] <eyequeue> heliolith:  yeah, a second login won't have sudo rights by default
[09:03] <syn-ack> deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports main universe
[09:03] <racoontje|clone> Hi :-) I'm about to install Ubuntu, and I'm looking for a nightly build of the install CD. All I've found is the LiveCD version 3.5 for Hoary, but it is unclear if this can be used for installation :-( Any ideas?
[09:03] <syn-ack> hou5ton, like that.
[09:03] <bitfoo> yeah make a second login :|
[09:04] <bitfoo> then they can't sudo with the same pass :|
[09:04] <linuxboy> EvolutionR: How did the upgrade to Hoary go?
[09:04] <heliolith> thanks eyequeue
[09:04] <eyequeue> np
[09:04] <farruinn> racoontje|clone: the install cd is separate
[09:04] <heliolith> not that they could figure out the sudo command lol
[09:04] <EvolutionR> linuxboy: the upgrade to Hoary was just smoothly :) , how bout u on Warthy?
[09:04] <racoontje|clone> farruinn: problem is I don't think the kernel on warty's release install cd supports all the hardware on my amd64 box
[09:05] <farruinn> racoontje|clone: well, that's where the livecd comes in =)
[09:05] <racoontje|clone> farruinn: for example, gentoo 2004.2 didn't, 2004.3 did... 2004.3 is like a two months old
[09:05] <racoontje|clone> farruinn: you can install from the livecd?
[09:05] <farruinn> no
[09:05] <linuxboy> EvolutionR: im on warty. Ill upgrade to Hoary when its official. Im just keen to know how the upgrade went
[09:05] <defile> EvolutionR, you're running Hoary right now?
[09:05] <racoontje|clone> Not even debootstrap using ubuntu sources?
[09:06] <EvolutionR> linuxboy: I'm on Hoary now, still testing ...
[09:06] <EvolutionR> defile: yes! why?
[09:06] <defile> EvolutionR, I'm curious about running it myself
[09:06] <linuxboy> EvolutionR: did you have any non-ubuntu packages installed before the upgrade?
[09:06] <farruinn> racoontje|clone: don't know about that...
[09:06] <defile> although right now, Warty is pretty solid for me
[09:07] <EvolutionR> defile: it so easy to upgrade to hoary, unless u dont mind it's still on development
[09:07] <farruinn> racoontje|clone: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SupportedHardware <- check it out, may help
[09:07] <defile> EvolutionR, how do you do it?
[09:08] <EvolutionR> linuxboy: no! I format the Warthy and did a fresh install, because the previous Warthy got mess up with installing some apps!
[09:08] <bitfoo> i cant play games or watch pr0n so back to warty for me :|
[09:08] <linuxboy> EvolutionR: Oic, so you didnt upgrade, you re-installed?
[09:09] <EvolutionR> defile: u change the /etc/sources.list   from warthy to hoary. And remove the "#" debian warthy cdrom thing
[09:09] <bitfoo> or
[09:09] <bitfoo> you can download the latest daily install cd image
[09:09] <bitfoo> :|
[09:09] <defile> EvolutionR, then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[09:10] <EvolutionR> linuxboy: yes reinstall the Warthy (fresh) then do a apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade!
[09:10] <EvolutionR> defile : yes!
[09:10] <linuxboy> EvolutionR: no, i dont wanna reinstall Warty. I wanna know if I can upgrade to Hoary without killing my warty
[09:10] <EvolutionR> linuxboy: that's how I upgrade mine!
[09:11] <EvolutionR> linuxboy: I was saying that was my upgrade thing :) sorry to confuse u
[09:11] <hou5ton> syn-ack:   got it
[09:11] <linuxboy> EvolutionR: OIC. Great
[09:11] <hou5ton> and everyone else that helped too   :)
[09:11] <EvolutionR> linuxboy: so u try upgrade to Hoary?
[09:12] <syn-ack> hou5ton, good good
[09:12] <linuxboy> EvolutionR: not sure. I dont want something to go wrong. I might wait for the official hoary. How is hoary?
[09:12] <syn-ack> linuxboy, Im using it now.
[09:12] <hou5ton> syn-ack:   by the way, .. what's a good dual window file manager, ... like the gentoo in the distro Gentoo?
[09:12] <EvolutionR> defile: u gonna upgrade?
[09:12] <syn-ack> hou5ton, I use Nautalus
[09:13] <linuxboy> syn-ack: how did you install it?
[09:13] <syn-ack> hou5ton, Im a Gnome user, remember? ;)
[09:14] <syn-ack> linuxboy, I installed warty then added the proper sources to my sources.list and then apt-get upgraded and dist-upgraded.
[09:14] <EvolutionR> linuxboy: as for u warthy is good enuf! I upgrade my warthy to hoary because my pppoe cant work/cant surf net. So I try to upgrade to Hoary, well now I use pppoe it work, it can also let me surf internet.
[09:14] <carthik> So what's the best way to get a linksys wireless card that uses ndiswrapper going?
[09:14] <hou5ton> syn-ack:   ya, well so am i using Ubuntu, ... but I don't see that it does dual windows
[09:14] <hou5ton> and it has this annoying habit of opening a new window with every navigation
[09:14] <syn-ack> hou5ton, it does, thats what Xinerama's for.
[09:14] <syn-ack> hou5ton, you can change that.
[09:14] <linuxboy> syn-ack: do you know if its wise to upgrade after using warty for a while??
[09:14] <eyequeue> hou5ton:  like mc in console?
[09:15] <eyequeue> hou5ton:  or like dualheaded, two monitors?
[09:15] <syn-ack> linuxboy, I upgraded after two days of using this distro. Im a bug tracker though. ;)
[09:15] <EvolutionR> I experience difficulty on pppoe to surf internet on Warthy, but since I've upgraded to Hoary, everything seems to be fine, can surf internet too!
[09:15] <hou5ton> i want duplicate file manager windows .. side by side
[09:16] <eyequeue> hou5ton:  mc in console then
[09:16] <EvolutionR> linuxboy: if u want to take the risk
[09:16] <syn-ack> hou5ton, Gentoo may be in here...
[09:16] <eyequeue> hou5ton:  apt-get install mc
[09:16] <linuxboy> syn-ack: ahhh.... well ill try it when it comes out, but ill backup first
[09:16] <hou5ton> k
[09:16] <syn-ack> hou5ton, dont do that.
[09:16] <syn-ack> hou5ton, "apt-get install gentoo"
[09:17] <syn-ack> its in there, I just checked.
[09:17] <hou5ton> really?   that's cool
[09:17] <hou5ton> great
[09:17] <farruinn> it's in universe
[09:17] <syn-ack> gentoo - a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager <- hou5ton
[09:18] <heliolith> ok I'm confused, I tried using synaptic to update firefox, and it says version .9/1.0 is installed, but under "About" it's saying version .9.3 tell me once again? I'm supposed to add a line for backports to my source file?
[09:18] <syn-ack> heliolith, pr1.0 is still unstable.
[09:19] <heliolith> oh? ok
[09:19] <EvolutionR> linuxboy: if your on the upgrade to hoary...let me know how's u going ok?
[09:20] <EvolutionR> anyone here using Hoary with Kde ?
[09:20] <heliolith> I'm actually running 1.0, not PR on this box, but i got it by DLing and installing to a new folder, ignoring originally installed .93... i'm trying to do it right on box #2
[09:20] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, I wouldnt use KDE with anything.
[09:20] <EvolutionR> syn-ack : why?
[09:20] <hou5ton> gentoo (the file manager) is nice
[09:21] <linuxboy> EvolutionR: i think ill do it in april :)
[09:21] <farruinn> heliolith: it's best to keep to the apt system
[09:21] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, I have used Gnome since I used RedHat 5.2 .
[09:21] <EvolutionR> linuxboy: smart choice!
[09:21] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, I shouldnt have to say more. ;)
[09:21] <EvolutionR> oic sync-ack
[09:21] <EvolutionR> :) yeah
[09:22] <EvolutionR> syn-ack : I have problem with the firefox plugin after I did the ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so, it wont display applet?
[09:22] <Riddell> EvolutionR: yes, I'm using KDE
[09:22] <EvolutionR> Riddell: the latest kde ? how was it going any trouble ?
[09:23] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, you have to symlink it into /usr/libs/plugins ....
[09:23] <EvolutionR> Anyone here got their's firefox 1.0 java plugin working?????
[09:23] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, I do.
[09:23] <EvolutionR> symlink into /usr/libs/plugins?
[09:24] <EvolutionR> nvr mention on the website?
[09:24] <Riddell> EvolutionR: works fine apart from an issue with the k-menu
[09:24] <Riddell> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[09:24] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, sure it does.
[09:25] <eyequeue> why is the wiki https anyway? anyone know?
[09:25] <eyequeue> passwords?
[09:25] <daniels> eyequeue: when logging in, you pass your login details in cleartext otherwise
[09:25] <EvolutionR> Riddell: I remember the Gnome menu use to be troublesoome/ disappear no menu at all Gnome 2.6
[09:25] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, /usr/libs/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[09:25] <eyequeue> daniels:  *nod*
[09:26] <EvolutionR> syn-ack: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins # ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[09:26] <eyequeue> daniels:  i'm glad someone thought of that, unlike so many other wikis
[09:26] <EvolutionR> is this ok?
[09:26] <rempresent> I have a really n00b question for you guys
[09:27] <rempresent> i am trying to install "grip" using debians package system, and I don't really know how to go about that
[09:27] <pw> "apt-get install grip"
[09:27] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, No.
[09:27] <pw> However, I like sound-juicer better.
[09:27] <Adrenal> is there any way to recover files after a format?
[09:27] <Adrenal> any program?
[09:27] <pw> Adrenal: no.
[09:27] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, the OTHER way around. I thought you said you knew how to symlink?
[09:27] <rempresent> couldn't find package grip
[09:27] <Adrenal> pw: u sure?
[09:27] <syn-ack> pw, Sound Juicer is the shit./
[09:27] <pw> Adrenal: Is your data worth several thousand dollars to you?
[09:27] <farruinn> rempresent: you need to enable universe most likely
[09:28] <eyequeue> Adrenal:  if you're a three-letter agency, probably; if you're a mere human, no
[09:28] <EvolutionR> syn-ack: I follow the firefox website faq...........
[09:28] <rempresent> farruin, how do i go about that
[09:28] <Adrenal> pw: my formal photos, i kinda want them back
[09:28] <pw> farruinn: good shot, grip is in universe
[09:28] <Adrenal> pw: i've heard there are progs that can do it
[09:28] <pw> Adrenal: If your data /is/ worth several thousand dollars to you, there are companies with specialist equipment that will recover your data for you.
[09:29] <EvolutionR> syn-ack: http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/java.html
[09:29] <farruinn> rempresent: open synaptic (Computer>System Configuration>Synaptic) and select repositories from the settings menu
[09:29] <rempresent> sound juicer is taking a lot of time, i was just going to try it with grip
[09:30] <pw> grip will be no faster :-)
[09:30] <pw> Clean the CD, first off.
[09:30] <farruinn> regardless of speed, I prefer grip over sound juicer
[09:31] <DAn-005> Hey
[09:31] <DAn-005> I am going to be installing ubuntu on my PC with an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
[09:31] <EvolutionR> syn-ack: so how to do it? teach me pls!
[09:31] <DAn-005> should I ahve any problems ?
[09:31] <rempresent> farr, i did all of that and it gave me a prompt for it, i selected yes, now what
[09:31] <pw> farruinn: for a new user, sound-juicer is better; grip can be fiddly to configure
[09:31] <DAn-005> I could never get any distro to work with an ATI card
[09:31] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, that would work from what it looks like on the site.
[09:31] <farruinn> pw: very true
[09:31] <infinii> Hi, is this warthog iso I just downloaded a LiveCD or an install?
[09:31] <pw> DAn-005: Nope, I have that card
[09:32] <EvolutionR> syn-ack: but the applet not working at all
[09:32] <DAn-005> so is should be fine ?
[09:32] <pw> yeah
[09:32] <DAn-005> thanks
[09:32] <pw> just remember to install the fglrx-driver
[09:32] <pw> oops
[09:32] <farruinn> rempresent: there should be two entries that are greyed out
[09:32] <pw> :-)
[09:32] <syn-ack> pw, Im not a new user and I love sound jucier. Im lazy. ;)
[09:32] <rempresent> dan, i just started using ubuntu and it worked fine with my ati 9800pro
[09:32] <defile> EvolutionR, can I PM you?
[09:32] <pw> syn-ack: heh, me too </aol>
[09:32] <rempresent> farr, yeah i selected them
[09:32] <farruinn> rempresent: you can check them
[09:32] <farruinn> rempresent: ok, then hit the reload button
[09:32] <infinii> Why isn't there a livecd available for powerpc?
[09:32] <hou5ton> syn-ack:   get some rest man .....
[09:32] <hou5ton> catch ya later
[09:32] <EvolutionR> syn-ack: i've tried on the http://www.dslreports.com/tweaks
[09:32] <farruinn> infinii: there will be for hoary
[09:33] <syn-ack> hou5ton, gnigh.
[09:33] <EvolutionR> defile: sure!
[09:33] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, one sec.
[09:33] <defile> thanks
[09:33] <infinii> farruinn: ok thanks
[09:33] <EvolutionR> syn-ack : okie
[09:33] <farruinn> infinii: you can try the prerelease that came out the other day
[09:34] <davepet> Any recomendations for a proggy to play wav files? Totum ain't gettin it.
[09:35] <b_e_n_z> davepet, aplay?
[09:35] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, From your /, type this. 'ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/" ....without the quotes.
[09:36] <davepet> b_e_n_z: Thx, looking...
[09:36] <Adrenal> make sure firefox isn't running though
[09:38] <EvolutionR> syn-ack: ok I try
[09:38] <infinii> farruinn: I just found out gentoo has a ppc livecd. I'm just gonna try that instead. thanks
[09:39] <syn-ack> infinii, I could have told you that. I used to run GentooPPC.
[09:39] <syn-ack> infinii, Im also friends with the some of the Devs. ;)
[09:39] <infinii> syn-ack: nice
[09:40] <syn-ack> infinii, new or oldworld Mac?
[09:41] <infinii> 15" powerbook 1.25ghz
[09:41] <infinii> very pleased with OS X but like to play with livecds once in awhile to see how linux has progressed
[09:42] <infinii> syn-ack: I don't want to install. just want to boot off livecd and use it to play
[09:43] <infinii> for a laptop, I'd be smoking crack to wanna format OS X and put Linux on it. no offense ;)
[09:43] <kakalto> how can I set up a linux network?
[09:43] <farruinn> infinii: I agree =)
[09:43] <kakalto> so I can copy files between two computers?
[09:43] <syn-ack> infinii, You are in for a a suprise then. The Gentoo LiveCD is nothing like Knoppix. it has a shell and thats all.
[09:44] <kakalto> yup
[09:44] <Agrajag> kakalto: set up nfs or samba
[09:44] <kakalto> :D
[09:44] <infinii> syn-ack: ugh. I'll grab knoppix instead then
[09:44] <szi> hi
[09:44] <kakalto> Agrajag, that's windows, isn't it?
[09:44] <delltony> question: doesn't ubuntu have a simple installer for java now? and if so where about can i find this i tried apt-get install java that was on the wiki but firefox is still asking me for a plugin :(
[09:44] <syn-ack> infinii, You know that linus Devs the kernel on a Dual G-5, right?
[09:44] <Agrajag> kakalto: samba is
[09:44] <Agrajag> nfs is not
[09:44] <kakalto> infinii: The Gentoo Livecd is for installing
[09:44] <szi> does anyone know the details on how the ubuntu (hoary) livecd was mastered?
[09:44] <Agrajag> samba runs in linux as well anyway
[09:44] <kakalto> sadly though
[09:44] <kakalto> I can't download anything
[09:44] <kakalto> D:
[09:45] <syn-ack> Im running a Samba share just fine right now.
[09:45] <kakalto> I hate internet cap's
[09:45] <kakalto> especially 2gb ones which you take up with normal surfing :(
[09:45] <kakalto> (assuming I'm not getting ripped off by them)
[09:46] <szi> i'm interested to know how it was created exactly beause when i boot it, it looks an awful lot like a modified sarge installer
[09:47] <syn-ack> szi, um, actually thats the Sid installer, modified.
[09:47] <szi> sorry sid
[09:47] <szi> yeah it looks idenitcal
[09:47] <szi> how was it modieifed?
[09:47] <EvolutionR> syn-ack: I did cd /....ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/   still no applets running :(
[09:47] <szi> my question was what was the process
[09:47] <syn-ack> szi, Welcome to ncurses.
[09:47] <nir> interesting note: on same hardware, ubuntu linux can serve python cgi almost 3 times faster then OS X
[09:47] <kakalto> how long ago was warty "released"?
[09:47] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, Dont know.
[09:47] <jintxo> hey guys :-) I'm going to install ubuntu for my girlfriend, whoi doesn't speak english, does ubunut have spanish packages and the such?
[09:47] <nir> I tested with MoinMoin wiki engine
[09:48] <kakalto> as in, stopped being developed as warty, and started being developed as hoary?
[09:48] <Adrenal> jintxo: i'd assume so
[09:48] <carthik> kackalto, the version number is built thus - > y.mm
[09:48] <delltony> can someone help me in installing java on ubuntu please?
[09:48] <eyequeue> jintxo:  internationalization support is one of the pimary goals, yes
[09:48] <EvolutionR> syn-ack: any other website that I can test the java applets?
[09:48] <kakalto> carthik, okie...
[09:48] <szi> syn-ack: what does ncurses have to do with it
[09:48] <jintxo> great, that's the idea I had, but I've never installed linux in any language other than english, heh
[09:48] <delltony> i see your havin the same issue evolution
[09:49] <szi> syn-ack: i think you do'nt understand the question perhaps
[09:49] <EvolutionR> syn-ack: u using Hoary on Java RE 1.5 on Gnome 2.9....?
[09:49] <eyequeue> jintxo:  i speak english myself though, but spanish is a common language, i'm sure it's well-covered
[09:49] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, The last I knew It was Gnome 2.8.
[09:49] <jintxo> eyequeue, great, I'm burniong the CD, so I'll let you know how my gf likes it :-p
[09:49] <carthik> delltony, there is a howto at ubuntuguide.org that should be of help
[09:49] <Adrenal> jintxo: can't see anything like it in the repositories though
[09:49] <eyequeue> cool
[09:50] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, oh shit, I quess it is 2.9
[09:50] <delltony> let me try it again i thougth i used that method
[09:50] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, yeah, I am then
[09:50] <delltony> with adding the sources and then apt-get install java whatever it was
[09:50] <EvolutionR> syn-ack: yes I guess its the 2.9 thing causing it?
[09:50] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, I dont know.
[09:50] <jintxo> Adrenal, is there a site like packages.debian.org that lists the ubunut packages so I can take a look while the CD burns ?
[09:50] <Adrenal> hang on
[09:50] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, I dont use Java that much.
[09:50] <Adrenal> yeh, it does
[09:51] <jintxo> (slow writer)
[09:51] <Adrenal> it asks you at install from memory
[09:51] <EvolutionR> syn-ack: I remember I use the exactly method to symlink on other distro it work just fine maybe the 2.9 thing
[09:52] <Adrenal> jintxo: i'll use the boot disk and check, don't leave this channel until i get back
[09:52] <Adrenal> jintxo: ok?
[09:52] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, Doubtful. It is an unstable branch. theres more than likely to it than that.
[09:52] <delltony> trying that method now be back in a min and thanks carthik
[09:52] <kakalto> canonical releases a version of ubuntu every six months... when was warty released?
[09:52] <carthik> delltony, that was how I got it going on mine, if that is any reassurance
[09:52] <farruinn> kakalto: hoary will come out in april
[09:53] <kakalto> kewl
[09:53] <kakalto> thanks
[09:53] <Adrenal> jintxo?
[09:53] <jintxo> Adrenal, don't bother witht hat, I can check myself :-)
[09:53] <jintxo> I've got an extra partition ready for testing out before I set her up
[09:53] <Adrenal> jintxo: ok, if your sure
[09:53] <infinii> Ahh ok, I'm gonna get this gnoppix (ubuntu based) livecd then, I would rather see Gnome2 than KDE.
[09:53] <rempresent> can anyone help me with a sound card problem
[09:53] <Adrenal> jintxo: fair sure it has spanish
[09:54] <infinii> and gnoppix has hoard release for ppc
[09:54] <Adrenal> rempresent: depends what the problem is
[09:54] <EvolutionR> syn-ack: ok, is there any java appss icons that I can execute, I remember when I installed java on other distro, it show the java on the apps menu
[09:54] <syn-ack> I dont use Java.
[09:54] <farruinn> infinii: don't forget to check out hoary in april though ;)
[09:54] <jintxo> Adrenal, really thanks for the helpfulness :-)
[09:54] <Adrenal> jintxo: aww shicks
[09:54] <infinii> farruinn: yeah I know it's only beta now. but like I said, I'm not looking to install
[09:54] <EvolutionR> oki
[09:55] <EvolutionR> syn-ack how bout flash player?
[09:55] <syn-ack> That, I run.
[09:55] <syn-ack> That I installed. and it works.
[09:55] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, I use the version I get from Macromedia.com though. I will not use any other packages.
[09:56] <Sirius_Black> hi people - i've managed to delete my mbr :-).  I use grub to dual boot.  I can boot into Ubuntu using a LiveCD.  How do I -reinstate Grub on the MBR please
[09:56] <EvolutionR> syn-ack: :)
[09:57] <eyequeue> Sirius_Black:  /sbin/update-grub ?
[09:58] <rempresent> yessss!
[09:58] <mykdelta_> zo. druk zat hier
[09:58] <EvolutionR> syn-ack : u use firefox 1.0? I have some problem trying to search the google thing provided on the firefox thing, sometimes I can't search..."connectiong"
[09:59] <Sirius_Black> eyequeue: that didnt seam to work, i.e. cant boot inti ubuntu :-(
[09:59] <maps73> hy, evrybody
[09:59] <eyequeue> Sirius_Black:  bummer
[09:59] <eyequeue> Sirius_Black:  out of ideas, sorry
[09:59] <Sirius_Black> btw eyequeue Ubuntu is on hdb1 and mbr should be on hda
[09:59] <maps73> please, could anyone help me to installa in my ubuntu warty the javase50 for firefox?
[09:59] <EvolutionR> how to test whether the flash player is working any website???
[10:00] <carthik> EvolutionR, search google for some flash game
[10:00] <syn-ack> EvolutionR, www.atomfilms.com
[10:00] <EvolutionR> maps73 : wat file u got there is rpm.bin or bin?
[10:00] <syn-ack> shockwave.com....
[10:00] <EvolutionR> okie thanks guys
[10:02] <maps73> EvolutionR, hy, i dont' know. when i try to visit a web page with a java plug in, i see the message that inform me that I don't have installed this plug in. so i'm able to installa only with apt-get instal xyz.
[10:02] <EvolutionR> will the firefox plugin search will work? it detected the Macromedia 7, so I click install
[10:03] <infinii> Anywhere I can find torrents for Hoary beta? this mirror is slow
[10:03] <syn-ack> afk
[10:04] <EvolutionR> maps73:http://java.sun.com/downloads/index.html
[10:04] <delltony> good deal car that worked thanks
[10:04] <kagou> hi
[10:05] <EvolutionR> maps73: look for jdk 5.0 <---it's a java runtime download it
[10:05] <maps73> EvolutionR, ok, I'm trying
[10:06] <EvolutionR> Guys, the Flash Player plugin from firefox 1.0 worked! It just pop up the plugin-search window, download it /install. It worked!
[10:07] <rempresent> i installed bittorrent using synaptic, what is a good client to run my torrents with
[10:07] <rempresent> ?
[10:07] <delltony> doesn't abc work on linux
[10:07] <EvolutionR> Azureus
[10:07] <delltony> havne't tried it yet but when i downloaded it on windows it did
[10:07] <EvolutionR> rempresent : azureus
[10:07] <delltony> said it supported linux
[10:08] <EvolutionR> delltony: why not abc work on linux?
[10:08] <okox> can someone explain me the diference between xfree and xorg ?
[10:09] <EvolutionR> okox: from IMHO, the xfree is old, they make the xorg new :)
[10:09] <EvolutionR> ehhehehe
[10:09] <EvolutionR> am I rite?
[10:09] <okox> jajaja
[10:09] <EvolutionR> LOL
[10:09] <EvolutionR> @_o
[10:09] <okox> thats true bat not all
[10:10] <EvolutionR> if me I prefer Xorg
[10:10] <EvolutionR> have anyone try running Azureus on Hoary????????
[10:10] <okox> today i am going to install xorg
[10:11] <EvolutionR> okox: good for u
[10:11] <farruinn> okox: on warty?
[10:11] <delltony> abc will work on linux i thnk
[10:11] <okox> yes
[10:11] <EvolutionR> delltony: of course it work on linux! :P
[10:12] <delltony> someone asked what a good one was
[10:12] <EvolutionR> delltony: I prefer Azureus!
[10:12] <delltony> yeah same
[10:12] <delltony> but i don't see the i586 install for it
[10:12] <delltony> you have a direct link by chance?
[10:12] <EvolutionR> u download the java azureus
[10:13] <delltony> yeah thats right
[10:13] <delltony> sorry
[10:13] <EvolutionR> go to download page
[10:13] <EvolutionR> :) hahahaha
[10:13] <HappyFool> if it's java, it seems unlike there'll be an arch specific version
[10:13] <EvolutionR> nvm
[10:13] <EvolutionR> anyone install firewall on hoary???
[10:14] <EvolutionR> which one is recommended?
[10:14] <farruinn> isn't firestarter already installed?
[10:15] <EvolutionR> farruinn: I dont know what firewall I have in hoary? cause newbie how to check?
[10:15] <farruinn> check applications>internet>firestarter
[10:15] <EvolutionR> farruinn: there is none of it there!
[10:16] <EvolutionR> I dont think firestater come with it? am I rite anybody?
[10:16] <farruinn> sounds it, I must have installed it here myself
[10:16] <EvolutionR> farruinn: :)
[10:16] <EvolutionR> is it gui mode?
[10:17] <ubuntu> which package do i have to download to watch divx in totem movie player?
[10:17] <EvolutionR> ubuntu: I think the w32 condecs...package!
[10:17] <farruinn> EvolutionR: yeah, I like it
[10:18] <EvolutionR> farruinn: wats the website?
[10:18] <HappyFool> ubuntu: you can try checking out ubuntuguide.org -- i'm not sure if they mention divx specifically
[10:18] <farruinn> EvolutionR: have you used apt?? run sudo apt-get install firestarter from a terminal
[10:18] <farruinn> or use synaptic if you prefer that
[10:18] <delltony> evol: is azureus site not responding for you?
[10:18] <EvolutionR> farruinn: I use apt-get for upgrading to hoary :) but not tat expert on using it!
[10:19] <farruinn> ubuntu: I think divx is address on the restrictedformats wikipage
[10:19] <EvolutionR> farruinn: that's y I like apt-get :)
[10:19] <farruinn> EvolutionR: ah, well it's best to use apt/synaptic so that you get the updates
[10:19] <farruinn> not to mention avoid breakage...
[10:20] <EvolutionR> farruinn: I seldom use synaptic anymore...if can I use apt-get better
[10:20] <EvolutionR> :)
[10:20] <syn-ack> apt is all things good and holy.
[10:21] <farruinn> dpkg is really what makes ubuntu beautiful, apt is just a pretty face that gets all the attention :p
[10:21] <EvolutionR> farruinn: u run java on Hoary?
[10:21] <farruinn> EvolutionR: I don't have java and I don't have hoary :/
[10:21] <EvolutionR> u on warthy!
[10:21] <EvolutionR> :)
[10:21] <EvolutionR> I wonder anyone here use Azureus Java client on Ubuntu dist?
[10:22] <okox> EvolutionR, to use azureus first jre must beinstalled
[10:22] <EvolutionR> farruinn: I just installed the firestater through the apt-get, it was few secs...that's kewl!!!!!
[10:23] <rempresent> ok, sorry, i got booted, what is a great, GREAT bittorrent client for debian
[10:23] <EvolutionR> okox: I've jre installed..but haven't install azureus yet :) but later on...I've got alot of things on yet install "multimedia" packages!
[10:24] <syn-ack> rempresent, this isnt a Debian channel...
[10:24] <okox> an whats the problem of azureus 
[10:24] <EvolutionR> rempresent: u using Azureus now???? on warthy/hoary?
[10:24] <rempresent> sorry, but what i can use for ubuntu
[10:24] <rempresent> sorry
[10:24] <rempresent> no
[10:24] <rempresent> i just installed bittorrent using synaptic and i am trying to find a bittorrent client
[10:25] <rempresent> i need to get the latest episode of smallville
[10:25] <farruinn> rempresent: do a apt-cache search bittorrent | grep client
[10:25] <EvolutionR> u install bittorrent and u want to find a bittorent client wat u mean?
[10:25] <EvolutionR> ahhh just go to Azureus if not bitcomet!
[10:26] <delltony> EvolutionR: sorrry to say i don't see the azureus build for i586 you said use java well all i see is install the java runtime i need the aruzeus install
[10:26] <rempresent> yeah, there are bittorrent clients that you can use to manage all of your bittorrent files... some say that azureus is good, some say others are good, i was just trying to get some of your input
[10:26] <EvolutionR> delltony: :) is up to u
[10:26] <rempresent> i just installed the base program that they run on
[10:26] <delltony> what you mean?
[10:26] <delltony> i know it runs off java
[10:26] <delltony> but wheres the install if i already have java
[10:26] <delltony> all i see is gtk
[10:27] <EvolutionR> so far I've tested the bitcomet, dont like it slow downloads, but with azureus my downloads improve
[10:27] <delltony> is that the one i need linux gtk?
[10:27] <EvolutionR> delltony: is easy Azureus no need to install
[10:27] <delltony> no need to isntall what
[10:28] <delltony> you have to install something to get azureus to run dude :)
[10:28] <EvolutionR> u just make a launcher point to the /azureus/   azureus.bin thing
[10:28] <delltony> i understand
[10:28] <delltony> but which azurues file
[10:28] <delltony> there are seveal
[10:28] <delltony> several even
[10:28] <EvolutionR> ok ok
[10:28] <EvolutionR> I forgot the name
[10:28] <EvolutionR> but I think is azureus
[10:29] <EvolutionR> try double click
[10:29] <EvolutionR> wait
[10:29] <EvolutionR> let me download the azureus
[10:29] <EvolutionR> I teach u
[10:30] <rempresent> yeah, teach us how to install azureus from start to finish
[10:30] <EvolutionR> wait downloading
[10:31] <EvolutionR> but first u must have jre install
[10:31] <ChaosZ3RO> I just installed warty. How do I get into root?
[10:31] <delltony> dude repeat after me :)
[10:31] <delltony> i have java installed :)
[10:31] <delltony> :p
[10:31] <rempresent> what is the file called and how do i install that?  can i use apt-get
[10:32] <delltony> well i think its gtk
[10:32] <EvolutionR> okie u got the azureus ?
[10:32] <syn-ack> ChaosZ3RO, You use sudo
[10:32] <EvolutionR> well good rite use gtk
[10:32] <rempresent> how do i use gtk?
[10:33] <EvolutionR> at the azureus download page (linux gtk version)
[10:33] <ChaosZ3RO> It never let me set a password for root.
[10:33] <Agrajag> ChaosZ3RO: ubuntu uses sudo
[10:33] <Agrajag> you use your own user's password
[10:33] <EvolutionR> wait I'm downloading the Azureues GTK
[10:33] <rempresent> i downloaded the gtk version of azureus
[10:33] <Agrajag> sudo <command> will run a command as root
[10:33] <Agrajag> sudo -s will start a root shell
[10:34] <ChaosZ3RO> ahhh, okay. Thanks.
[10:34] <delltony> remp are you on a pc
[10:34] <EvolutionR> have u extract them from the tar package?
[10:34] <delltony> as in i386?
[10:34] <delltony> or 586
[10:34] <delltony> if so download the gtk file
[10:34] <rempresent> yah
[10:34] <rempresent> i need to get the java run time environment
[10:34] <delltony> type tar xvjf A and hit tab
[10:34] <EvolutionR> I'm extracting the tar
[10:34] <delltony> it will complete the rest for Au for you
[10:35] <delltony> once extracted
[10:35] <delltony> cd /azureus
[10:35] <rempresent> a i386
[10:35] <delltony> let me know when it extracts
[10:35] <EvolutionR> it's tar -xjvf
[10:35] <delltony> you don't need the -
[10:35] <Xyverz> what is the multiverse repository and how does it differ from the universe and main repositories?
[10:35] <Agrajag> multiverse has nonfree software
[10:36] <rempresent> how do i install the java run time environment
[10:36] <Xyverz> and universe?
[10:36] <rempresent> lets figure that out first
[10:36] <Xyverz> that's just a bunch of extra stuff?
[10:36] <Agrajag> universe has free software that is not supported by ubuntu
[10:36] <delltony> use the ubuntuguide.org
[10:36] <Xyverz> Aaaaaah
[10:36] <delltony> on installing java that method worked for me
[10:36] <Xyverz> gotcha
[10:36] <Xyverz> thx
[10:37] <EvolutionR> delltony: okie try go to azurues folder that u have just extracted
[10:37] <ChaosZ3RO> Only other thing that doesn't seem to be working is sound. How do I set that up?
[10:37] <EvolutionR> look for azureus
[10:37] <delltony> dude i already have it installed
[10:37] <delltony> you were too slow :)
[10:38] <EvolutionR> delltony: so is easy rite?
[10:39] <EvolutionR> who said there's alot of azureus
[10:39] <EvolutionR> ehhehe
[10:39] <delltony> there isn't i just din't remember the right file
[10:39] <EvolutionR> u run ./azureus or tru launcher?
[10:39] <EvolutionR> if me I put at the launcher easy for me
[10:40] <EvolutionR> delltony: well! u teach the rempresent how to run it :)
[10:40] <delltony> has he got java installed yet
[10:41] <delltony> that page i told him works
[10:41] <delltony> has worked on 2 installed of ubuntu i have done
[10:41] <EvolutionR> delltony: how u run ur azurues?
[10:41] <delltony> setting up the launcher now
[10:41] <delltony> but otherwise i do azureus &
[10:41] <delltony> in terminal
[10:42] <EvolutionR> yeah that's rite
[10:43] <EvolutionR> delltony: I saw in the Azureus folder, only root can use all the files from within?
[10:45] <delltony> why you say only root can you just type ./azurues in the dir
[10:45] <delltony> and it s hould work
[10:46] <EvolutionR> delltony: I want it on the launcher
[10:46] <EvolutionR> I lazy to type
[10:46] <EvolutionR> I think have to chmod 777
[10:46] <EvolutionR> ehhehee
[10:46] <jeavis> h
[10:46] <jeavis> hi
[10:47] <jeavis> somebody can help me
[10:47] <EvolutionR> delltony: how to give all 777 to the Azureus files?
[10:48] <delltony> sudo chmod 777 the directory
[10:49] <delltony> but you don't need to
[10:49] <jeavis> somebody from mexico
[10:49] <EvolutionR> not the direc the files is lock
[10:49] <EvolutionR> I want to add to normal user permissions
[10:51] <EvolutionR> delltony: I think the java thing not running....
[10:51] <delltony> test it
[10:51] <EvolutionR> I've suppected it from just now I installed the jre
[10:52] <EvolutionR> delltony: Starting Azureus...
[10:52] <EvolutionR> Java exec not found in PATH, starting auto-search...
[10:52] <EvolutionR> Java exec found in  /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/
[10:52] <EvolutionR> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE  [/usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java = Error] 
[10:52] <EvolutionR> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com
[10:52] <EvolutionR> I do have jre
[10:52] <EvolutionR> installed
[10:53] <EvolutionR> is on this location /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin
[10:53] <delltony> you might have installed but its not working
[10:53] <delltony> did you test to see if it installed
[10:53] <delltony> with like testjava on suns page
[10:53] <EvolutionR> yeah can u help me I'm having trouble with this java running on ubuntu
[10:53] <EvolutionR> which url
[10:54] <delltony> dude you too rempresent
[10:54] <delltony> go to that link www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:54] <delltony> do a find for java
[10:54] <delltony> and follow ALL  the diretions on it
[10:54] <EvolutionR> delltony: u use warthy or hoary?
[10:55] <EvolutionR> maybe cant run on hoary?
[10:55] <delltony> warty
[10:55] <EvolutionR> that's y
[10:55] <EvolutionR> :(
[10:55] <EvolutionR> delltony: from the above statement I've posted just now...how come they did not find the java bin?
[10:56] <EvolutionR> I've loook at it is at /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin
[10:56] <EvolutionR> exactly
[10:57] <EvolutionR> ohno! I think java cant be run oh Hoary versions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:57] <EvolutionR> Arggggggg
[10:57] <defile> EvolutionR, so far, so good
[10:57] <EvolutionR> have to use other bit client
[10:57] <EvolutionR> defile: nice rite?
[10:57] <Hwolf> EvolutionR, you can run it, definatly
[10:58] <EvolutionR> defile: congrats!
[10:58] <EvolutionR> Hwolf: why I cant run the java thing?
[10:58] <EvolutionR> I've installed it
[11:00] <Hwolf> EvoltionR, how should I know, you don't give any info, do you?
[11:00] <EvolutionR> Hwolf: Java exec not found in PATH, starting auto-search...
 Java exec found in  /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/
 OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE  [/usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java = Error] 
 You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com
[11:01] <twstd3bc> is kernel 2.6.10 used on the hoary live CDs?
[11:01] <haggai> ironwolf: DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=jdkhome=/path/to/jdk debuild -b -us -uc
[11:02] <twstd3bc> is kernel 2.6.10 used on the hoary live CDs?
[11:03] <EvolutionR> hahhaha Hwolf quits
[11:04] <EvolutionR> I think he cant answer my questions on java thing
[11:04] <EvolutionR> ahhaha
[11:04] <EvolutionR> l)
[11:05] <bur[n] er> have any of you used graveman??
[11:06] <EvolutionR> I've just apt-get install firestarter successfully. But I dont know where to run it?
[11:07] <EvolutionR> dellton: u use firestarter?
[11:07] <rempresent> how do i find my ip address using the terminal
[11:07] <rempresent> ?
[11:07] <Agrajag> ifconfig
[11:07] <EvolutionR> dellton: u there?
[11:08] <EvolutionR> want to ask
[11:08] <EvolutionR> u
[11:08] <EvolutionR> rempresent maybe ifconfig eth0
[11:08] <EvolutionR> or ifconfig
[11:09] <rempresent> ok, i am using azureus and i just port forwarded the ports so that i can use bittorrent with the range values of 6881-6889 and i am still getting a NAT error...
[11:10] <rempresent> anyone
[11:10] <laurens_> Note to self
[11:10] <laurens_> when planning to update to Hoary, DO NOT TELL INSTALL TO DOWNLOAD FILES
[11:10] <laurens_> Wasted a lot of time that way ;-)
[11:10] <laurens_> Need to get 438MB of archives.
[11:11] <racoontje> Does anyone know wether archive.ubuntu.com is a single server or a pool of servers?
[11:11] <racoontje> Because I'm getting really great speeds on it
[11:11] <rempresent> one more time, can anyone help with the following
[11:11] <rempresent>  ok, i am using azureus and i just port forwarded the ports so that i can use bittorrent with the range values of 6881-6889 and i am still getting a NAT error...
[11:13] <Joe2> Hiya peeps, I just installed k3b and however it thinks my CDRW drive is only a cdrom, how do ya correct that?
[11:13] <FallenHitokiri> Joe2: start it as root
[11:14] <Joe2> bah stupid me :P
[11:16] <delltony> how you make a launcher for a script that requires ./ infront of it?
[11:16] <FallenHitokiri> delltony: you just can add the script to a dir in your path or edit you path
[11:16] <delltony> aww there it goes
[11:16] <FallenHitokiri> for example /bin
[11:17] <delltony> yeah thats what i had
[11:17] <delltony> just wasn't workin for somereason
[11:17] <delltony> then i realize i had a typo
[11:17] <delltony> good deal
[11:17] <delltony> now i can go to bed haha
[11:21] <defile> mmmmmmmmm, Hoary
[11:21] <brc_> yup
[11:21] <delltony> whats  good cd/dvd burning program for linux?
[11:21] <Joe2> delltony: k3b
[11:22] <delltony> good deal thanks is that in universe?
[11:22] <Joe2> should be
[11:22] <brc_> yup
[11:22] <Joe2> When is hoary due to be released btw?
[11:22] <brc_> WhenIt'sReady(TM)
[11:23] <Joe2> Also seeing as ubuntu is based on testing/unstable well apparently debian are almost ready to make unstable as their new stable so will ubuntu end up based on stable or wait for the new testing?
[11:23] <blackstar> hey guys i have a problem if anyone care to help
[11:23] <blackstar> i cant get my soundcard to work
[11:24] <blackstar> it is a 16 bit sound blaster compatible card
[11:24] <blackstar> sound blaster pro to be exact
[11:24] <delltony> hey joe whats it mean by chance when it says can't do stats in synamptic does that mean one of my sources is typed wrong or what?
[11:25] <BenZ|iBook> ewhats some cool software for linux
[11:25] <Joe2> dunno delltony, I have only been using linux for a couple of months
[11:25] <Joe2> maybe someone else here knows tho
[11:25] <delltony> its all good i'm new too
[11:25] <brc_> what's the error?
[11:26] <delltony> hang on
[11:26] <brc_> do       apt-get update
[11:26] <delltony>  Couldn't stat source package list http://www.os-cillation.de binary/ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.os-cillation.de_debian_binary_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:27] <brc_> that looks invalid
[11:27] <brc_> open /etc/apt/sources.list and tell me what the line is for that entry
[11:27] <racoontje> delltony, trying for xfce4.2?
[11:27] <racoontje> But gnome is so nice!
[11:27] <delltony> ok let me look
[11:28] <Joe2> btw /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,unhide,ro,noauto  0       0 <------- is that right for a cdrw, its exactly the same as the entry for my cdrom?
[11:28] <racoontje> plus remember the os-cillation debs suck, unless you speak german and are madly in love with their livecd
[11:28] <racoontje> [advertising everywhere] 
[11:28] <brc_> Joe2, dunno, but ro means read only...might be wrong...is it not working?
[11:29] <delltony> deb http://www.os-cillation.de/debian/ binary/
[11:29] <delltony> deb-src http://www.os-cillation.de/debian/ source/
[11:29] <Joe2> well I went to copy a cd in k3b and it moans because the cd im recording to is empty
[11:29] <BenZ|iBook> are there any aussie mirrors of ubuntu that actually work?
[11:29] <EvolutionR> gtg guys bye!
[11:29] <delltony> just comment it out?
[11:29] <brc_> delltony, have you tried apt-get update? same error?
[11:30] <delltony> yeah thats when it started when i updated
[11:30] <brc_> well, I assume you added that repository for a reason?
[11:30] <brc_> if you don't need it, sure
[11:30] <delltony> well i just copped it from my desktop
[11:30] <brc_> eh?
[11:30] <delltony> nothing
[11:31] <Ecio> hi all, i've installed hoary but cant get to install gstreamer0.8-mad (yes, i added universe to apt sources). any idea? i got a msg about libid3tag0 and libmad0 not installable
[11:31] <brc_> OK
[11:31] <brc_> what's the exact error
[11:32] <delltony> do you run k3b as root?
[11:32] <Ecio> gstreamer0.8-mad depends on libid3tag0 (>=0.15.0b) but not installable (that's the rough translation, the msg is in italian)
[11:32] <racoontje> Does Ubuntu have a userlist? Would seem nice to have lots of ubuntu users to IM with :-)
[11:32] <delltony> and that fixed the problem by the way
[11:32] <delltony> with the commenting otu
[11:33] <brc_> Ecio, apt-get install libid3tag0
[11:33] <Ecio> brc: i tried, doesnt work
[11:33] <brc_> k
[11:33] <Ecio> not available
[11:33] <brc_> aha
[11:33] <brc_> try adding multiverse
[11:33] <Ecio> k i try
[11:33] <brc_> if that doesn't make it work, go ask google for a repository that has libid3tag0
[11:34] <BenZ|iBook> Helloooo any working repositories in AU
[11:34] <brc_> BenZ|iBook, ihnfi
[11:35] <racoontje> When updating from Warty to Hoary, I keep getting errors similar to these: python-foo: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu4 is to be installed
[11:35] <racoontje> replace foo with random things
[11:35] <Ecio> brc updating...
[11:35] <Ecio> same error, i'll look for it on google
[11:36] <BenZ|iBook> |||||||||||||||
[11:36] <brc_> Ecio, if you can't find any info on a repository that has it, but you find a .deb file, you can just install it manually
[11:36] <brc_> dpkg -i /path/to/libid3tag0.deb
[11:37] <Ecio> brc: but doesnt it sound strange? that mad has this broken dependency?
[11:37] <brc_> yes
[11:37] <brc_> it does
[11:37] <brc_> but I'm too tired to try it out right now
[11:37] <brc_> sorry
[11:37] <Ecio> :)
[11:37] <Ecio> np
[11:38] <BenZ|iBook> how do i output /dev/kcore to /dev/audio? :p
[11:38] <rempresent> alright
[11:38] <rempresent> i need to mount my winders harddrive and get some files off of it for linux...
[11:38] <rempresent> can anyone help me with that
[11:38] <defile> anybody know how to get mp3's to play in nautilus on mouse over?
[11:38] <Ecio> rempresent if you use C: on 1st hd it should be mkdir /mnt/diskC
[11:39] <delltony> man how do you setup root for k3b
[11:39] <Ecio> and sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/diskC
[11:39] <Ecio> something like this
[11:39] <Joe2> delltony just run it by using: sudo k3b
[11:39] <delltony> oh you have to use sudo on it
[11:39] <brc_> rempresent, look at  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[11:39] <delltony> ok i was wondering
[11:39] <Joe2> yuppers
[11:39] <brc_> rempresent, that's got everything you need
[11:39] <delltony> can you do that in a laucnher though
[11:39] <Joe2> damn I gtg, cya peeps
[11:40] <delltony> sorry i'm new to gnome i was using flux for a while
[11:40] <Ecio> brc: perhaps i found the problem: it looks like i enabled universe and multiverse but disabled main repository :D
[11:40] <brc_> ha
[11:40] <brc_> BWHAHHAHAHAHAHahhahAHHA
[11:40] <brc_> :)
[11:40] <brc_> I thought that sounded weird
[11:41] <brc_> nah
[11:41] <brc_> I've done worse
[11:41] <Ecio> ok now rhythmbox is doing his nasty job :D
[11:42] <_4strO> yop yop
[11:43] <Ecio> well.. i talked too early
[11:43] <Ecio> rhythmbox loads mp3 and start playing, but no sound... in the volume mixer i see 2 (?!?) cards on my laptop
[11:44] <Ecio> one cirrus logic (oss) the other intel (alsa)
[11:44] <Ecio> of course none of them seem to work :D
[11:45] <spiral> hi
[11:52] <raphael74> hi how is it going?
[11:52] <racoontje> raphael74, fine, thanks
[11:52] <racoontje> you?
[11:52] <raphael74> good thanks racoontje
[11:53] <raphael74> I am new to Ubuntu. I was quite impressed to start with
[11:53] <raphael74> until some glitches occures
[11:53] <raphael74> until some glitches occured
[11:53] <raphael74> I hope the next version will be a bit more polished
[11:54] <racoontje> raphael74, glitches?
[11:55] <racoontje> raphael74, in warty or in hoary
[11:55] <will> ahh my whole sound system is playing everything at twice the speed!
[11:55] <raphael74> yeah... It's all under control but I had a few issues
[11:55] <racoontje> raphael74, in warty or in hoary
[11:55] <raphael74> the main one is that I use a french keyboard yet I want my locale to be in english
[11:55] <raphael74> in warty
[11:55] <racoontje> raphael74, locale as in language?
[11:55] <raphael74> and the default keyboard became english
[11:55] <raphael74> yes racoontje
[11:56] <racoontje> raphael74, that's totally possible, just set location to english/us and set keymap to latin1
[11:56] <racoontje> ehh
[11:56] <racoontje> azerty/fr...
[11:56] <Ecio> i dont know how/why, but now sound is working :)
[11:56] <raphael74> racoontje, its all fixed now but I call it a glitch that it was not done automatically as during the install I did select the french keyboard
[11:57] <racoontje> raphael74, was the keyboard in french mode in console?
[11:57] <racoontje> I used a Belgian (too, Azerty) keyboard for one of my installs, and it worked fine in both console and gnome
[11:58] <raphael74> racoontje, mmmm I am not sure. but which kind of language did you select for the installation? Did you select french or english
[11:58] <raphael74> I suspect that's were the issue came from
[11:58] <rempresent> what is a good player for .avi files
[11:58] <will> well  my whole sound system is playing everything at twice the speed!
[11:58] <rempresent> ?
[11:58] <will> rempresent wxvlc is nice
[11:59] <steve> ?
[11:59] <rempresent> thaks
[11:59] <raphael74> the second glitch was that I tried to install a printer using the gui and the only thing I could do was to print the test page. Then I reinstalled the printer using the web interface of cups and it worked ok
[12:04] <Ecio> i see a "show updates" in my ubuntu-hoary... if i click it asks for the password, i enter it but it doesnt happen anything
[12:05] <Simira> Ecio: then you probably have no updates?
[12:05] <Martok> Anybody know how to disable a few sounds instead of disabling them all?
[12:06] <Ecio> simira: err pausing with mouse on the icon i see "there are 156 updates" :D
[12:06] <Aurel_> hello everyone
[12:06] <Martok> Hello
[12:06] <Ecio> "install updates" works... im running it... just "show updates" doesnt work... :)
[12:06] <Martok> I guess I could just rename the sounds...
[12:06] <will> hi any one know anything about the whole sound system playing at around twice the normal speed?
[12:07] <Martok> I've had that happen to me, but I couldn't figure out why.
[12:07] <lifeless> mdz: ping
[12:08] <raphael74> i'm back
[12:11] <Hwolf> I'd like to move my /var. Any idea how I'd do that?
[12:13] <Frossi> I?m having a problem with my usb network card. Ubuntu recognizes it as AX88172 which is correct. But how can I get it working, my goal is to get it work as my home networkcard so that eth0 is routed to that. I think u know what I mean
[12:15] <will> Martok: what did you do?
[12:18] <KING^^^> hello all
[12:19] <nir> hmm, If I run ab -c 100 and both cpus are 100% used, the inteface become not responsive
[12:19] <nir> maybe I should try the preemeted kernel option?
[12:20] <nir> this does not happen with OS X on same hardware, same load
[12:20] <KING^^^> i have a problem , after when i have installed windows again , after i have restarted my computer i couldn't boot ubuntu again, i can't choose between linux or winodws , it starts windows directly , what should I do ?
[12:21] <KING^^^> so ... can anyone help me ?
[12:22] <Hwolf> G'day
[12:22] <Ng> KING^^^: sounds like you need to reinstall grub - have you got the live CD? you could use that to do it
[12:22] <runenes> KING^^^, you need to run grub-install from a live-cd / linux boot disk
[12:22] <KING^^^> live cd or install cd ?
[12:23] <runenes> live cd - I dont think the ubuntu install cd has those capabilities
[12:23] <Martok> How can I find a list of packages recently removed?
[12:23] <KING^^^> i have tried to do that , but when i boot from install cd it starts to install ubuntu again
[12:24] <Ng> Martok: you can't really afaik. you can get a partial list with "dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii"
[12:24] <KING^^^> but my ubuntu linux is installed , so do you suggest to boot from a live cd ?
[12:24] <runenes> KING^^^, yes you need knoppix or something like that - knoppix will do fine
[12:25] <Lathiat> runenes: the ubuntu live cd would work fine too...
[12:25] <KING^^^> ok ... i`ll try, be right back with problem fixed i hope
[12:25] <runenes> Lathiat, all right, but you cant do it from the install cd can you?
[12:25] <Martok> Ng: Thanks, that did the trick I think.
[12:26] <EvolutionR> anyone have not bittorent client NAT error?
[12:27] <raphael74> I have a question: why is a program like mplayer not included by default with ubuntu?
[12:28] <raphael74> EvolutionR, what is the exact kind of error that you get? And how do u connect to the internet?
[12:28] <Hwolf> raphael74: legal issues
[12:28] <markrez> Hi all
[12:28] <raphael74> Hwolf, I suspected so but then everything is available for download on the net from the mplayer website anyway
[12:28] <runenes> raphael74, they could strip it down to only legal code, but then it wouldnt have any better capabilities then the other media players
[12:29] <runenes> whatever legal code means :)
[12:29] <raphael74> Hwolf, runenes : do we know what are the legal issues or is that just by fear that the package is not included?
[12:29] <EvolutionR> raphael74: I'm getting this error on Azureus "NAT" throug my DSL modem port forwarding 6889, installed firestarter too, but I put my Networking info as 10.0.0x subnet: 255.255.255.0 gateway: is my dsl modem
[12:29] <EvolutionR> using PPPoEconf
[12:30] <Hwolf> raphael74: mplayer uses non-free /copyrighted stuff
[12:30] <runenes> raphael74, with mplayer theres a lot - mostly codecs, but Im sure theres some dvd patens as well
[12:30] <Lathiat> EvolutionR: you want to forward 6881 not 6889
[12:30] <Hwolf> EvolutionR: I warned you about rpppoe, didn't I? *smile*
[12:30] <Lathiat> EvolutionR: or change the port azureus is configured to use to 6889 (its 6881 by default)
[12:31] <EvolutionR> I've change the azureus port to 6889
[12:31] <raphael74> Hwolf, is it a fact though?
[12:31] <EvolutionR> I use this settings thru other OS okie
[12:31] <markrez> I have a question about shared libraries error when running etherape
[12:31] <Hwolf> rapheal74, yes
[12:31] <EvolutionR> how to setup the firestarter to allow bittorent?
[12:31] <Lathiat> EvolutionR: wtf is firestarter
[12:31] <raphael74> Hwolf, do u know where i could find more info about this?
[12:32] <EvolutionR> firewall man
[12:32] <Lathiat> go read its documentation then
[12:32] <Lathiat> never heard of it
[12:32] <EvolutionR> nvm!
[12:32] <EvolutionR> bye
[12:33] <Hwolf> rapael74, google?
[12:33] <markrez> tried that
[12:33] <will> any one know anything about the whole sound system playing at around twice the normal speed?
[12:33] <markrez> /usr/bin/etherape: error while loading shared libraries: liblinc.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file o
[12:34] <runenes> raphael74, if you want to install mplayer with all the cool codecs, then I would recomend this howto http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9850
[12:35] <will> can anyonea help me?
[12:35] <will> any one know anything about the whole sound system playing at around twice the normal speed?
[12:35] <markrez> the same thing happens when trying to run iseries emulator
[12:35] <raphael74> runenes, thanks - i have done so but i find it a pain
[12:35] <markrez> error while loading shared libraries: libXm.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or director
[12:36] <markrez> what libraries is it looking for?
[12:36] <rempresent> i was trying to install flash for mozilla and i got this error
[12:36] <rempresent> root@ubuntu:/home/rempresent # sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[12:36] <rempresent> Reading Package Lists... Done
[12:36] <rempresent> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[12:36] <rempresent> E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-mozill
[12:36] <rempresent> anyone help?
[12:36] <rempresent> and  yes, i did type mozilla right
[12:36] <KING^^^> i didn't make it ...
[12:37] <KING^^^> there is no installing grub
[12:37] <KING^^^> :(
[12:37] <Ecio_updating> rem: i suppose you need to add universe repository
[12:37] <KING^^^> what do i do ?
[12:37] <rempresent> i did that already
[12:37] <Ecio_updating> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla
[12:37] <raphael74> rempresent, have you got all the sources specified in the unofficial guide in your apt.sources file?
[12:37] <KING^^^> runenes
[12:39] <KING^^^> someone pls help me
[12:39] <klaym> is there somewhere a 'startup' folder for applications to be run on gnome startup?
[12:39] <runenes> KING^^^, after you have booted the live-cd you open a terminal - mount the ubuntu partition and..
[12:40] <KING^^^> and ... ?
[12:40] <runenes> KING^^^, ANYONE - do you need to chroot in or can you run grub-install and specify the menu-lst file used?
[12:41] <rempresent> thanks
[12:41] <theine> are there any plans to include esound clients into supported
[12:41] <theine> ?
[12:42] <delltony> isn't there a ubuntu deb file to upgrade firefox to 1.0 and if so where cna i find this please
[12:42] <rempresent> when i copy things from my winders partition, i have them all locked and you need to manually go to the properties to change the folder permissions, is there a faster way
[12:42] <theine> delltony: if you don't want to upgrade to Hoary yet, you can use Ubuntu backports
[12:43] <delltony> is warty being outdated or something?
[12:43] <nir> anyone had bad results with kernel 2.6.8.1 and CONFIG_PREEMPT option?
[12:43] <mst> ummm... how do I get the gnome terminal to stop responding to alt-something hotkeys?
[12:43] <mst> it really annoys me when I work in the console
[12:43] <runenes> KING^^^, ok.. I know it will work if you chroot, so type "chroot /your/mounted/ubuntupartition /bin/bash", then cd grub-install /dev/UBUNTU_PARTITION-DEVICE.. I think that will do it
[12:43] <theine> delltony: no, but development went on after Warty was released
[12:44] <delltony> ok
[12:44] <theine> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[12:45] <runenes> KING^^^, of course you have to replace /your/mounted/ubuntupartition and UBUNTU_PARTITION-DEVICE with their real values - and UBUNTU_PARTITION-DEVICE really means the hardrive device you installed ubuntu to.. I explain poorly :)
[12:46] <gangalino> how do I remove software?
[12:47] <racoontje> why are [reiserfs/reiser4/xfs] progs installed when I'm running ext3?
[12:48] <KING^^^> runenes i think i get it ... thanks
[12:49] <mst> racoontje, why not, do they disturb you at night when you sleep?
[12:49] <runenes> racoontje, so you can easily communicate with those fs's
[12:50] <runenes> KING^^^, I see that I typed "cd grub-install..." leave the cd out of course - I just woke up :)
[12:50] <SirFred> Hi.
[12:50] <KING^^^> no problem runenes
[12:51] <klaym> should I install something like xine before I can view videos on totem?
[12:51] <klaym> I've installed gstreamer and w32codecs already
[12:52] <SirFred> klaym: Perhaps you could try totem-xine
[12:52] <SirFred> klaym: I have had a very bad experience with totem (the gstreamer based version)
[12:52] <klaym> SirFred: ok thanks
[12:52] <SirFred> klaym: np
[12:53] <SirFred> Lately my evolution under Hoary has lost it's spanish localization, is that a known problem?
[12:53] <SirFred> Well, I can live with it.
[12:55] <runenes> SirFred, what do you mean lately - is it something which has happened over time :)
[12:56] <okox> SirFred, yes but better in spanish
[12:56] <SirFred> runenes: Yes.
[12:56] <okox> have you tried to locate
[12:56] <okox> or install the spanish warthy paket ?
[12:57] <SirFred> runenes: After an upgrade, it was in english, the again in spanish, and now in english. Perhaps that's not the right sequence, but something so.
[12:57] <SirFred> okox: I'm on hoary.
[12:57] <klaym> my finnish version of warty is half finnish half swedish
[12:57] <okox> but you can try the spanish language pakage from warthy , isnt it ?
[12:58] <SirFred> okox: Well, I'd rather not mix packages from hoary and warthy.
[12:58] <SirFred> okox: Thanks anyway
[12:58] <okox> spanish & english in warthy
[12:59] <markrez> anyone use the citrix ica client, mine isnt working correctly
[12:59] <runenes> SirFred, ok I understand - I though it slowly forgot its spanish - thanks for the laugh anyway
[12:59] <okox> i am going to install xorg in warthy , only the xorg...
[12:59] <SirFred> runenes: :)
[12:59] <okox> will the warthy work properly ?
[01:00] <SirFred> runenes: English is not my nature language.
[01:00] <okox> i wish that
[01:00] <okox> es espaol
[01:00] <okox> xD
[01:00] <SirFred> okox: :)
[01:01] <okox> you could enter in ubuntu-es and ask there if someone has solved that
[01:01] <SirFred> okox: Well, last time i entered ubuntu-es... how should I say it
[01:01] <SirFred> okox: Too few people, talking about everything but ubuntu.
[01:01] <okox> what ?
[01:02] <SirFred> okox: I didn't like it.
[01:02] <okox> try at ubuntu in hispano servers
[01:02] <yuri> I just installed ubuntu and I am running 1024x768. I am almost certain that my graphics support resolutions higher than that. (1) How do I figure if it does indeed support higher resolutions? (2) How do I increase the resolutio considering that the max resolution in the "Screen Resolution" tool is 1024?
[01:02] <SirFred> okox: Oh, I haven't been at hispano servers for years.
[01:02] <SirFred> okox: I remember how the #linux channel was worse and worse .
[01:02] <okox> i have been at hispano servers for years xD
[01:03] <okox> worse ?
[01:03] <SirFred> okox: At the beginning, four or five years ago, it was fine. The #debian channel was great.
[01:03] <okox> its too general that channel
[01:03] <okox> in debian there is much people
[01:03] <SirFred> okox: Yes, even thinking that it's about #linux.
[01:03] <okox> there are much "genius" peolpe
[01:03] <SirFred> okox: Well, it used to be 30 or 40 people when I was there.
[01:04] <SirFred> okox: Potato days I think.
[01:04] <Hwolf> I followed the thumb buttuns howto, but now my forward-backward buttons scroll, and my mouswheel does backward-forward
[01:04] <okox> jaj
[01:04] <okox> a
[01:04] <SirFred> okox: It was like a club.
[01:05] <okox> in ubuntu of hispano are few people but a good atmosphere
[01:05] <SirFred> okox: THanks, perhaps some day.
[01:05] <KING^^^> runenes in doesn't work grub-install
[01:06] <marcin_ant> hi - guys I would like to ask what is preferred procedure to setup network connections in ubuntu
[01:07] <marcin_ant> I have some special needs - I got a notebook with nic, modem and gprs modem
[01:07] <rempresent> here is a question for you, how do i completely shut down my system...
[01:07] <rempresent> ?
[01:07] <jkka> sudo shutdown -h now
[01:07] <alemao> hello :)
[01:07] <marcin_ant> and I want to configure this to use lan when it is available but when it isn't i want this to connect to internet via gprs connection
[01:07] <rempresent> when i chose shut down, it doesn't shut down, it just turns off the operating system with the machine on
[01:08] <Aurel_> rempresent, type halt when root
[01:08] <marcin_ant> how to do this?
[01:08] <alemao> hey! How do I get GNOME entirely installed?! package "gnome-core" and "gnome" does not exists!
[01:08] <rempresent> ok thanks
[01:08] <SirFred> rempresent: It says 'Power off' on the screen but it doesn't power off actually?
[01:08] <yuri> I just installed ubuntu and I am running 1024x768. I am almost certain that my graphics support resolutions higher than that. (1) How do I figure if it does indeed support higher resolutions? (2) How do I increase the resolutio considering that the max resolution in the "Screen Resolution" tool is 1024?
[01:09] <SirFred> yuri: It seems to be a matter of X configuration.
[01:09] <SirFred> yuri: Perhaps your monitor is missdetected and the resolution are cutted down.
[01:09] <alemao> yuri /etc/X11/xorg.conf where you find 1024x768 put a higher before
[01:09] <llpamies> I'm trying to compile simias (ifolder) in ubuntu but it doesn't find '-lstdc++'
[01:09] <llpamies> in wich package can i found it 
[01:10] <alemao> is there a package which installs gnome entirely?
[01:10] <SirFred> llpamies: libstdc++5
[01:10] <alemao> llpamies: apt-cache search lstdc++
[01:11] <SirFred> alemao: Perhaps ubuntu-desktop ?
[01:11] <SirFred> alemao: It's dependence list is awesome
[01:12] <llpamies> SirFred: or libstdc++5-dev ??
[01:12] <neofeed> is there a way I can change the default audio device? from /dev/dsp to /dev/dsp1?
[01:12] <SirFred> llpamies: Perhaps the two ones if you need to compile anything.
[01:12] <yuri> thanks you both! I'll try to insert 1280x1024 into my XF86Config-4.
[01:12] <alemao> SirFred: it will install a plenty of thing wont it?! like openoffice right?
[01:12] <SirFred> alemao: Yes.
[01:13] <alemao> has someone got problem with XFS partitions ?
[01:13] <alemao> SirFred: thanks
[01:13] <SirFred> alemao: np
[01:13] <llpamies> I have installed  libstdc++5 and  libstdc++5-dev. And when try to compile: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++
[01:14] <alemao> SirFred: are you in an AMD64?
[01:14] <SirFred> alemao: No. On x86.
[01:15] <SirFred> alemao: A now old PIII 700
[01:15] <SirFred> Have any of you tried beagle on ubuntu?
[01:16] <runenes> SirFred, yes it worked, kinda I needed a new library to fix a bug.. but I got to demo it which was cool
[01:16] <lerio> hi everybody. i have this doubt: in my hoary box i have both gcc-3.3-base and gcc-3.4-base installed. if i try to mark for complete removal the 3.3 version, synaptic alerts me of many other programs to be removed as well. if i mark the other version (3.4) no other package is selected for removal. what does this mean?
[01:16] <alemao> SirFred: beagle?!?! I dunno what is it
[01:18] <Bandit> lerio why would you remove?
[01:18] <SirFred> alemao: http://nat.org/demos
[01:18] <SirFred> alemao: Some flash demos of beagle working.
[01:18] <markrez> what libraries is this looking for:  error while loading shared libraries: libXm.so.3
[01:19] <alemao> markrez: dpkg -S libXm.so.3
[01:19] <lerio> Bandit, i'm trying to gain more space and i noticed that i had 2 versions of the gnu compiler
[01:20] <defile> hmm, can't find beagle in the repo's for hoary
[01:20] <Bandit> that wont get you much space
[01:20] <markrez> dpkg: *libXm.so.3* not found.
[01:20] <SirFred> defile: It's not there.
[01:21] <lerio> Bandit, but now the question is another: why all packages are linked to the older version of the compiler?
[01:21] <yuri> Re: screen resolution -> I added 1280 resolution to XF86Config-4 but I see a "832x624" resolution instead of the 1280 I added. The thing is that I was able to get a higher resolution with ubuntu LiveCD (I selected some boot options, though)
[01:22] <benjami> hi
[01:22] <benjami> my hoary gnome wouldnt start
[01:23] <benjami> gdm does
[01:23] <runenes> markrez, are you running hoary, Im running warty, and it finds libXm.so.2 which belongs to lesstif2
[01:25] <markrez> runenes warty
[01:25] <scoon> anyone here running hoary w/ alsa and an audigy2 with no sound ?
[01:25] <runenes> markrez, what needed libXm.so.2
[01:25] <runenes> err 3
[01:25] <alemao> benjami: how did you install your gnome?
[01:26] <SirFred> scoon: No, anyway I have a problem that could be related.
[01:26] <markrez> ibm iseries terminal emulator
[01:26] <scoon> SirFred, lay it on me.
[01:26] <SirFred> scoon: My CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator don't work with the last kernel.
[01:27] <Bandit> scoon do you have an onboard modem
[01:27] <SirFred> scoon: The module loads fine, but alsa claims that there's no sound card.
[01:27] <runenes> markrez, ok.. I have no experience with it, but see if it requires a lesstif version higher than that one in ubuntu
[01:27] <racoontje> why are [reiserfs/reiser4/xfs] progs installed when I'm running ext3, powernowd when I'm running an Intel processor?
[01:27] <SirFred> scoon: Under 2.6.10-1-686 it works fine.
[01:28] <benjami> alemao, i installed from the arry 3 hoary cd, and did an apt-get upgrade
[01:28] <scoon> SirFred, that could be something as simple as the new kernel not being made correctly tho.
[01:28] <scoon> SirFred, btw what is the current hoary kernel? (i roll my own)
[01:28] <sjoerd> racoontje: because you could have installes with those filesystems
[01:28] <benjami> alemao, before the upgrade it worked fine
[01:28] <benjami> ^^
[01:28] <SirFred> scoon: 2.6.10-2-686
[01:28] <sjoerd> racoontje: and powernowd has a strange name, but it actually works on intel and ppc too afaik
[01:29] <runenes> racoontje, see the powernowd man page!
[01:29] <Guardiann> scoon do you have an onboard modem
[01:29] <scoon> SirFred, that would def be my guess then.  same kernel w/ different options.
[01:29] <racoontje> sjoerd, could have. I COULD have installed kde libs too that doesn't mean they should be installed by default
[01:29] <scoon> Guardiann, no modem what so ever.
[01:29] <markrez> Linux requirements for running iSeries Access for Linux
[01:29] <markrez>     * GLibc 2.2
[01:29] <markrez>     * RPM 3.0
[01:29] <markrez>     * OpenMotif 2.0 or later for the 5250 emulator
[01:29] <markrez>     * unixODBC driver manager version 2.0.11 or later must be installed on the client. Go to the unixODBC Project web site for more information on the driver manager and to download the latest level of the driver manager.
[01:29] <sjoerd> racoontje: don't be a fool.. those filesystems are just part of the base system and very small
[01:29] <sjoerd> racoontje: you can easily remove them if you want
[01:30] <Guardiann> I didnt think I had one either probably cause I never used it
[01:30] <alemao> benjami: i think there are some packages wrong in hoary!!!
[01:30] <SirFred> scoon: I'm not sure, but the last kernel was updated three or four times and my card don't work for any of the upgrades.
[01:30] <pmfp> What has happened/how can this befixed?? when I log onto my server and try to run a program, e.g. su, ps, w, it just says -bash: /bin/ps: Too many open files in system
[01:30] <SirFred> scoon: I've seen no error on the kernel logs.
[01:30] <scoon> SirFred, you may not always see error on the logs.
[01:31] <SirFred> scoon: I know.
[01:31] <scoon> SirFred, my problem has NO errors i updated alsa-utils and then my sound stopped working.
[01:31] <SirFred> scoon: Are you able to "see" your card under the /proc/asound directory?
[01:31] <scoon> scoon, i think it is becuase of version diferences with alsa-base and libasound2 so i may try putting in some SID's
[01:32] <Guardiann> scoon i am using hoary w/ alsa and an audigy2 I had no sound now i do
[01:32] <scoon> SirFred, yes i can.
[01:32] <scoon> Guardiann, what versions of alsa-base and libasound2 are you using?
[01:33] <Guardiann> what ever came with the uopdates
[01:33] <rempresent> alright, what are the must have debian packages
[01:33] <SirFred> scoon: So your problem is different than mine. My card isn't even detected.
[01:33] <scoon> Guardiann, can you check please ?
[01:35] <scoon> Guardiann, what do you use to adjust your sound properties ?
[01:35] <Guardiann> do you get any sound like at the login screen?
[01:36] <scoon> Guardiann, no
[01:36] <Guardiann> what kind of pc are you using
[01:37] <jazzka> hi!
[01:37] <scoon> Guardiann, one that i built.  the sound works in the live cd and w/ knoppix.
[01:37] <jazzka> in hoary live-cd, can transparencies be activated?
[01:37] <benjami> Guardiann, what sound modules are loaded?
[01:38] <Guardiann> yeah and my sound worked fine in knoppix/slack/mandrake/fedora/windows/warty  but it wouldnt work in hoary
[01:38] <benjami> you unmuted the channels?
[01:38] <scoon> Guardiann, what do you use to adjust your sound props
[01:38] <SirFred> Is there any bittorrent gui for gnome?
[01:39] <Guardiann> make sure your bios isnt trying to start anything else at boot time like an on board modem
[01:39] <scoon> Guardiann, it is not any of that.
[01:39] <Guardiann> ok then
[01:39] <pmfp> SirFred: apt-cache search bittorrent gui says so
[01:39] <Guardiann> was for me and many other
[01:39] <pmfp> SirFred: both bittorrent-gui and bittornado-gui packages
[01:39] <scoon> Guardiann, my sound WAS working just fine for the entire time i was using hoary.
[01:39] <SirFred> pmfp: I see they're based on wxgtk widgets.
[01:40] <SirFred> pmfp: Aren't those based on gtk1.2 ?
[01:40] <rempresent> i need some help, i am looking for a dvd ripper and converter so i can back up dvds on my system
[01:41] <scoon> rempresent, http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=71032&highlight=growisofs&sid=6f8307f76c13656c788eb6d2d62d321b
[01:41] <scoon> rempresent, i use that every time i do that. i make backups all of the time.
[01:42] <socketbind> howdy, how I can make ubuntu to install the bootloader to the root partition where it will be installed?
[01:43] <SirFred> Is there on Ubuntu some kind of graphic boot support?
[01:44] <SirFred> I mean something like bootsplash.
[01:46] <scoon> so Guardiann what did you do to get your sound working again ?
[01:46] <racoontje> SirFred, I just do what I did on gentoo... works fine
[01:46] <SirFred> racoontje: What did you make on gentoo?
[01:47] <racoontje> SirFred, I used nitro-sources... has bootsplash patches built-in
[01:47] <racoontje> www.sepi.be/nitro-sources
[01:50] <TenPlus1> hi folks...
[01:51] <TenPlus1> Is their such a program that lets you author DVD movies ??? (conversion and all)
[01:53] <nir> how can I check the ethernet driver I need on my machine?
[01:54] <nir> I want to stop building 1000s of stuff I will never need on each kernel compile
[01:56] <theine> nir: lsmod lists all the driver modules that hotplug found for your machine
[01:57] <theine> nir: the names are a bit cryptic sometimes but i'm sure you can figure out what your ethernet driver is from that
[01:57] <nir> thanks
[01:57] <TenPlus1> Anyone have a DVD Authoring tool for Ubuntu ?
[01:57] <Falstius> nir: the other option is to find the modules alias file with alias eth0 ??? but I don't know where it is in ubuntu
[01:58] <nir> alias eth0?
[01:58] <_d4vid> play S?hne Mannheims - Und Wenn Ein Lied.mp3
[01:59] <Falstius> nir, maybe ubuntu doesn't do that .. I can't seem to find it.  What theine told you will work.
[02:01] <mst> bah this is amusing
[02:01] <mst> I get much better sound from my fm801 board in Ubuntu than I get from Windows
[02:01] <theine> is there a way to monitor harddrive I/O? I'd like to find out what keeps my harddrive spinning
[02:01] <rempresent> ok, i am copying a dvd and getting this error
[02:01] <rempresent> root@ubuntu:/home/rempresent # dvdbackup -F -i/dev/dvd -o/home/rempresent/NapoleonDynamite
[02:01] <rempresent> libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.
[02:01] <rempresent> ************************************************
[02:01] <rempresent> **                                            **
[02:01] <rempresent> **  No css library available. See             **
[02:01] <rempresent> **  /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian  **
[02:01] <rempresent> **  for more information.                     **
[02:02] <rempresent> **                                            **
[02:02] <rempresent> ************************************************
[02:02] <rempresent> Error reading BUP for title set 4
[02:02] <kbrooks> rempresent, DONT
[02:02] <rempresent> Mirror of main featur file which is title set 4 faild
[02:02] <rempresent> Mirror of main feature film of DVD faild
[02:02] <kbrooks> rempresent, use a pastebin!
[02:02] <Hwolf> rempresent, add the merriliat repro and download libdvdcss2. Read the forum, the guide, or the howto's
[02:02] <kbrooks> rafb.net/paste
[02:02] <rempresent> wha
[02:03] <rempresent> add the merriliat?
[02:03] <theine> rempresent: why don't you see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian as suggested in the output?
[02:03] <nir> theine, all the stuff in lsmod is a hardware device exiting in the machine?
[02:04] <theine> nir: no, not everything, there are also modules for certain network protocols, etc.
[02:04] <Hwolf> rempresent: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=198371
[02:05] <nir> I'll try the /proc
[02:05] <nir> there should be an open firmware tree there
[02:05] <theine> nir: have you tried lspci?
[02:05] <theine> nir: so that and look for a ethernet device
[02:05] <nir> not yet
[02:05] <theine> do...
[02:06] <theine> and tell us what it is
[02:06] <nir> yea
[02:06] <nir> I just found that I have a Sun GEM
[02:06] <nir> that I already disabled :)
[02:12] <rempresent> okay, i am starting to copy the dvd and i get a message saying that my ifo and bup files already exist and that it is going to try and overwrite them
[02:13] <rempresent> now my terminal is just sitting there waiting
[02:13] <scoon> YEAH
[02:14] <scoon> i got my sound fixed
[02:14] <Guardiann> wht did you do?
[02:14] <scoon> to all who may even care a smidge
[02:14] <Guardiann> scoon what did you need to do?
[02:14] <scoon> Guardiann, well i booted into the ubuntu live cd and deleted this file: /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[02:15] <Guardiann> good dtuff
[02:15] <Guardiann> stuff even
[02:15] <scoon> Guardiann, and then booted back into ubuntu and re-did the mixer settings.
[02:15] <Guardiann> dammit Hoary hasnt helped my spelling :)
[02:16] <Hwolf> That livecd is a livesafer.
[02:16] <SackeR> is there a command line command that shows battery status ?
[02:17] <flosch> hi
[02:18] <Guardiann> hi
[02:18] <SackeR> hi
[02:19] <racoontje> Help! I've just upgraded to Hoary, and upgrading from XFree86 to X.org made my maximum resolution 640x480 :'(
[02:19] <racoontje> The "mga" driver in X.org 6.8.1.x seems a bit broken :'(
[02:19] <racoontje> It's a Matrox G200 AGP card. Any ideas?
[02:20] <blackstar> i have a question....maybe someone can help me
[02:20] <blackstar> i want to learn to get my sound card working
[02:20] <blackstar> i have a sound blaster pro
[02:20] <blackstar> 16 bit
[02:20] <maggi> Hi. I was trying to install vlcplayer, but the apt-get stuff doesn't quite work
[02:20] <blackstar> can anyone walk me through the process
[02:20] <racoontje> blackstar, ISA?
[02:21] <maggi> root@tux:/home/maggi # apt-get install gnome-vlc libdvdcss2
[02:21] <maggi> Reading Package Lists... Done
[02:21] <maggi> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[02:21] <maggi> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[02:21] <maggi> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[02:21] <maggi> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[02:21] <maggi> or been moved out of Incoming.
[02:21] <maggi> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[02:21] <blackstar> racoontje
[02:21] <blackstar> what is ISA
[02:21] <maggi> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:21] <maggi>   gnome-vlc: Depends: vlc (= 0.7.0-0woody.4) but it is not going to be installed
[02:21] <maggi>              Depends: gdk-imlib1 but it is not installable
[02:21] <maggi>              Depends: libart2 (>= 1.2.13-5) but it is not installable
[02:22] <maggi>              Depends: libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0) but it is not installable
[02:22] <maggi>              Depends: libgnome32 (>= 1.2.13-5) but it is not installable
[02:22] <maggi>              Depends: libgnomesupport0 (>= 1.2.13-5) but it is not installable
[02:22] <maggi>              Depends: libgnomeui32 (>= 1.2.13-5) but it is not installable
[02:22] <maggi>              Depends: libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-4) but it is not installable
[02:22] <maggi> E: Broken packages
[02:22] <maggi>  this is what came up when I tried to use the apt-get
[02:22] <racoontje> Maggi
[02:22] <racoontje> Don't flood the bloody channel
[02:22] <racoontje> use #flood
[02:22] <maggi> I didn't mean to cause any harm. I just took the text and pasted it from the terminal
[02:23] <racoontje> maggi, rule of thumb: 1 line ok, 2 you can get away with, 3 will get you verbal abuse, and 4 should get you kicked. 5+ is kickban, with 1 hour per extra line
[02:24] <theine> maggi: you're screwed :)
[02:24] <Guardiann> racoontje that should possibly be in the topic
[02:24] <racoontje> Guardiann, I'm not an @
[02:24] <racoontje> Guardiann, well, I am. In nethack ;-)
[02:26] <scoon> blackstar, did you get your sound working ?
[02:26] <blackstar> no
[02:26] <blackstar> if you could help teach me that would be nice
[02:26] <scoon> ok
[02:26] <nir> what a nice thing that /proc/device-tree/ on Mac
[02:26] <scoon> blackstar, open up a terminal and type lsmod, do you see anything like smd_emu10k1 ?
[02:26] <blackstar> i played around with alsa until i screwed my kernel - so i did a reinstall
[02:26] <blackstar> ok
[02:27] <nir> save you a restart and playing with open firmware
[02:27] <kasejfa> runenes,
[02:27] <blackstar> ok i see info on snd_*
[02:28] <KING^^^> runenes, it doesn't work grub-install /dev/hda*
[02:28] <blackstar> scoon, was there something in particular that you wanted me to show you
[02:28] <scoon> blackstar, no.  do you see emu10k1 ?
[02:29] <blackstar> scoon, no. i dont...
[02:29] <scoon> blackstar ?
[02:29] <blackstar> i guess i need that huh
[02:29] <scoon> blackstar, nothing emu10k1 at all ?
[02:30] <blackstar> nope
[02:30] <blackstar> looked 3 time
[02:30] <blackstar> s
[02:30] <scoon> eh
[02:30] <scoon> blackstar, try lspci and see if you see your card listed there ?
[02:30] <blackstar> ok
[02:30] <srid> suggest me a good mp3 tag editor
[02:31] <blackstar> scoon, no nothing
[02:31] <srid> suggest me a good mp3 tag editor
[02:32] <scoon> blackstar, how about sb16 in the lsmod ?
[02:32] <scoon> blackstar, anything like that ?
[02:32] <rempresent> how do i remove a directory
[02:32] <blackstar> ok let me check
[02:33] <maggi> remdir if I remember correct
[02:33] <Hwolf> verempresent 'rmdir <dir>' if it is empty, otherwise rm -rf <dir>
[02:34] <blackstar> scoon, nothing like that there either
[02:34] <scoon> blackstar, http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+Vibra16X.&chip=sb16&module=sb16
[02:35] <scoon> blackstar, read over that.  it will help you start to figure out what your problem is.  it appears that your card is not "recognized"
[02:35] <scoon> blackstar, are you running warty or hoary ?
[02:35] <blackstar> warty
[02:35] <blackstar> Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller
[02:37] <scoon> blackstar, so that is your onboard sound then ?
[02:37] <blackstar> scoon, yes it is
[02:38] <scoon> does that sound work ?
[02:38] <blackstar> scoon, i am on a hp pavillion zv5000
[02:38] <blackstar> nope...
[02:38] <blackstar> still reading the site
[02:38] <scoon> blackstar, first off, go into your bios and disable that onboard sound
[02:39] <blackstar> ok
[02:39] <scoon> blackstar, also do a search in the ubuntu forums after you try some things.  if you can't find help there, post a new topic.
[02:40] <blackstar> scoon, anything else i need to do after that...
[02:40] <scoon> that way the next person that runs into this problem will have the answer.
[02:40] <blackstar> ok
[02:40] <blackstar> scoon, thnks for the start...
[02:40] <scoon> blackstar, np.
[02:41] <Hwolf> scoon: Next time, better tell him that if the problem is his hardware is unsupported, he'd ought to inform the devs
[02:41] <scoon> Hwolf, right.  but according to the alsa site, his hw should work.
[02:42] <scoon> Hwolf, to early to tell tho.
[02:42] <Hwolf> scoon, ok, sorry, didn't go so deep into it.
[02:43] <Hwolf> btw: How is support for S-ata dvd-drives/burners under tux?
[02:43] <racoontje|clone> Hwolf, works fine for me
[02:43] <racoontje|clone> just remember to enable scsi cd support
[02:44] <giard> I noticed they switch firefox to the gnome theme by default in hoary
[02:45] <giard> does anyone know if they're any plans to make a more united theme?
[02:45] <rempresent> what is the difference between hoary and warty
[02:46] <Hwolf> giard: I'm not informed, but I'd think so, yeah. The entire artwork got an overhaul
[02:46] <Hwolf> rempresent: Hoary is the 'development' distribution: It should be declared stable in april
[02:46] <rempresent> ahh
[02:47] <giard> Hwolf: do you know the wiki url for the artwork in progress?
[02:47] <Hwolf> rempresent: that means newer software, but buggy, always changing, and the occasional major breakage.
[02:47] <Hwolf> giard: I don't have it
[02:48] <Hwolf> giard: I'm a 'testing' junk, but both of my hoary installs on this machine went down yesterday. I'm now running a nice and tranquil warty
[02:49] <zimba-tm> hello
[02:49] <scizzo> moin
[02:51] <atmos> you anyone know where i can find a decent document on mounting usb cf readers
[02:52] <atmos> it shows up in dmesg, i just can't find a device to mount
[02:52] <Lathiat> atmos: if your device is supported, it should come up on your desktop when you plug in a CF card
[02:52] <atmos> Lathiat: i don't use gnome
[02:52] <Lathiat> sucks for you
[02:52] <atmos> lol
[02:52] <Lathiat> should be /dev/sdX1
[02:52] <Lathiat> where X is probably a
[02:52] <atmos> no it sucks to run gnome :(
[02:52] <Lathiat> depending on what other devices you have
[02:52] <atmos> yeah see i've done that in the place
[02:52] <Lathiat> atmos: whys that?
[02:53] <atmos> err s/place/past/
[02:53] <atmos> ipod or cf reader would be a, b etc
[02:53] <atmos> fdisk -l /dev/sda for example doesn't turn anything up
[02:53] <smoky___> hi there
[02:53] <atmos> though dmesg shows it as attaching to sda
[02:53] <Lathiat> do you have a CF card plugged in?
[02:53] <atmos> yeah
[02:53] <Lathiat> run hal-device-manager
[02:53] <smoky___> i just testet the new hoary live-cd and get a very bad crash with evolution
[02:53] <Lathiat> see if it shows up
[02:54] <atmos> import error
[02:54] <atmos> looks like some kinda java exception
[02:54] <atmos> lemme install deps and see what's up
[02:54] <smoky___> when it imported about 100 mails evolution crashed and the whole environment
[02:54] <Lathiat> smoky___: i you start it back up does it work?
[02:54] <shingoki> anyone know what is up with totem? anyone ever got it to actually play a video?
[02:54] <smoky___> every command i tested only gave input/output error
[02:55] <Lathiat> atmos: its python not java
[02:55] <smoky___> and no shutdown worked: cannot execute /sbin/shutdown
[02:55] <Lathiat> smoky___: eww maybe the whole thing went to crap, what shows up in dmesg?
[02:55] <Lathiat> smoky___: see if you can see anything bad?
[02:55] <atmos> Lathiat: yeah, i'm completely retarded this morning :)
[02:55] <smoky___> i don?t know exactly if the cd is damaged, bacause i burned it on a good d with 8xspped
[02:56] <smoky___> i could?nt evaluate dmesg because it gaves input/output error
[02:56] <Lathiat> smoky___: ahh sounds like it doesnt like the CD and is having trouble reading off it
[02:56] <Lathiat> smoky___: reboot
[02:56] <smoky___> but all the other apps work on the cd
[02:56] <Lathiat> smoky___: (tho youll lose your data/settings)
[02:56] <atmos> Lathiat: seems to show up in the client
[02:56] <Lathiat> atmos: in hal-device-manager?
[02:56] <smoky___> it was?nt possible to reboot
[02:56] <atmos> yeah
[02:56] <atmos> Device: Unknown though
[02:56] <Lathiat> smoky___: youd have to hard reboot, like turn your computer off and back on
[02:56] <smoky___> ->cannot execute /sbin/shutdown
[02:57] <Lathiat> atmos: just follow the tree down
[02:57] <Lathiat> atmos: if it doesnt show the partition in there its probably non standard or somethign
[02:57] <smoky___> yes hard rebooted and i'am currently writing this with exactly the same cd
[02:57] <Lathiat> smoky___: is it working now?
[02:57] <shingoki> Anyone know about totem? its just I assume that at some point it has worked for someone, but I've never actually seen it play a file - it always says the plugin isn't available or something
[02:57] <smoky___> i can try it again
[02:58] <atmos> hmm
[02:58] <Lathiat> shingoki: for most media files at the moment you need to install totem-xine unfortunately
[02:58] <blackstar> scoon, im back...i had a question - i was reading the site that you sent to me...in the first line of Quick install where it says NB...should i use cvs or make
[02:58] <smoky___> but if don't hear anything from me, it happend again ;)
[02:58] <atmos> they're standard, never had aproblem with them before
[02:58] <Lathiat> shingoki: that does however move your install into the unsupported configuration
[02:58] <atmos> just mounted /dev/sd*
[02:58] <Lathiat> atmos: in linux?
[02:58] <shingoki> Lathiat: ah, well thatsok, I was just using xine before anyway
[02:58] <atmos> yeah
[02:58] <atmos> it's an ipod and a simple cf reader that i've always used as usb mass storage
[02:59] <Lathiat> atmos: http://penguins.squaa.org:82/hdm.png
[02:59] <atmos> neither have a block.device attribute in hal-vol-manager thing
[02:59] <Lathiat> its possible your non standard configuration is missing stuff and thats why its not working
[02:59] <Lathiat> atmos: did you install a base desktop system?
[02:59] <shingoki> They should support mplayer ;)
[02:59] <atmos> yeah
[02:59] <Lathiat> atmos: or like install the ubuntu base and install some other WM or something
[02:59] <Lathiat> shingoki: you can install mplayer
[02:59] <shingoki> its not like totem is eer going to work ;)
[02:59] <Lathiat> shingoki: from debian-marillaat
[02:59] <atmos> yup didn't go nuking packages
[02:59] <kbrooks> Question!
[02:59] <Lathiat> shingoki: totem-xine plays everything mplayer does for me
[02:59] <atmos> upgraded to hoary though
[02:59] <kbrooks> Question!
[02:59] <kbrooks> Question!
[03:00] <Lathiat> kbrooks: Then ask it
[03:00] <shingoki> Lathiat: ah well thats good... then they should support xine. Cos totem on its own really doesn't seem to play anything at all, even plain mpeg1...which makes me wonder what it DOES play ;)
[03:00] <kbrooks> can i use any kde app with ubuntu without the kde de
[03:00] <Lathiat> shingoki: should play basic non copyrighted codecs in theory :P
[03:00] <blackstar> scoon, im back...i had a question - i was reading the site that you sent to me...in the first line of Quick install where it says NB...should i use cvs or make
[03:00] <Lathiat> shingoki: support for the gstreamer stuff is being worked on, it needs alot of work at the moment
[03:00] <Lathiat> atmos: see my screenshoot?
[03:00] <rouven> does anyone in here take part in the website creation contest?
[03:01] <shingoki> ok... install totem-xine => remove ubuntu-desktop, that doesn't seem good
[03:01] <atmos> no
[03:01] <atmos> url not found
[03:01] <Lathiat> atmos: http://penguns.squaa.org:82/~lathiat/hdm.png
[03:01] <parazoid> How do i install Java?
[03:01] <Lathiat> shingoki: yeh it doesnt really do that much
[03:01] <shingoki> Lathiat: Really? it soudns bad...
[03:01] <kbrooks> parazoid rtfm
[03:01] <Lathiat> shingoki: bu it means officially your system is "unsupported"
[03:01] <i18ndoc> I've currently got Gentoo on my Dell D800 Latitude notebook - is Ubuntu worth the journey on such a system? How is it with suspend/resume, WiFi/G and Bluetooth?
[03:01] <Lathiat> shingoki: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package which depends on the base install configuration
[03:01] <Lathiat> shingoki: and is removed if you stray from it
[03:02] <shingoki> oh ok, fair enough
[03:02] <Lathiat> shingoki: only real problem that causes is in future upgrades sometimes they add packages to it
[03:02] <shingoki> I dunno what "support" means anyway
[03:02] <Lathiat> shingoki: to force them to install in an upgrade
[03:02] <Lathiat> shingoki: so every so often i apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and see what deps its trying to bring in and install those manually
[03:02] <shingoki> thats irritating
[03:02] <kbrooks> parazoid, read the ubuntu guide
[03:02] <kbrooks> in the topic
[03:03] <shingoki> I can't see why they stick with totem when it is so very bad, everything else is great apart from video playback
[03:03] <shingoki> seems easier just to install xine
[03:03] <shingoki> or gxine
[03:03] <blackstar> scoon, im back...i had a question - i was reading the site that you sent to me...in the first line of Quick install where it says NB...should i use cvs or make
[03:03] <kbrooks> shingoki, all they do is put it in a repo that is not supported
[03:03] <shingoki> yeah but what I mean is, why support totem, which is useless, rather than gxine, which does everything?
[03:04] <kbrooks> shingoki, the repo is not added in the default intall
[03:04] <kbrooks> you add it
[03:04] <shingoki> it just leads to a load of people getting frustrated that they can't play video
[03:04] <atmos> Lathiat: www.atmos.org/tmp/hdm.png
[03:04] <shingoki> yup I've sorted it out, I just don't understand why totem is supported but not a video player that actually plays videos :) Anyway, doesn't matter, its easy to fix
[03:04] <kbrooks> shingoki, dude
[03:05] <Lathiat> atmos: is the usb-storage driver loaded?
[03:05] <kbrooks> shingoki, totem is not supported because it is in a repository that is not supported
[03:05] <atmos> yeah
[03:06] <Lathiat> atmos: fscked if i know then, you must have some usb issues or something
[03:06] <atmos> yeah it's weird
[03:06] <shingoki> kbrooks: totem is installed by default ...
[03:06] <atmos> should prolly get off the stock kernel
[03:06] <atmos> thx anyways
[03:07] <kbrooks> shingoki, no it isnt
[03:07] <kbrooks> and wont be
[03:07] <kbrooks> and wont
[03:07] <kbrooks> and shall not
[03:07] <shingoki> kbrooks: oh. So where did I get it from on the live cd?
[03:07] <kbrooks> and shant
[03:07] <kbrooks> :P
[03:07] <shingoki> and uh, on warty
[03:07] <kbrooks> ok
[03:07] <kbrooks> joking
[03:07] <llamakc> i moved from Sid to Hoary. 2.6.10-2-k7 hangs right after boot. just used synaptic to force initrd-tools to Hoary version. hope that fixed it
[03:07] <shingoki> fair enough
[03:07] <llamakc> and hi btw
[03:07] <smoky___> mhm, i can't test it again because evolution deleted the mails on the pop server
[03:08] <nir> Is it safe to compile the kernel with -j3
[03:09] <atmos> yes
[03:09] <blackstar> which alsa module for sound should i use on my linux kernel - 2.6.8.1-3-386
[03:09] <nir> how should I add the option for make-kpkg?
[03:10] <blackstar> does it matter what alsa module i use for my kernel
[03:10] <blackstar> 2.6.8
[03:10] <Riddell> kbrooks: you can use any KDE app with ubuntu
[03:10] <shingoki> well thanks for help :)
[03:14] <nir> should I edit the root kernel Makefile to add a -j3 option or this file is autogenerated?
[03:16] <kent> blackstar, is sound not working for you? i dont understand the question realy. :)
[03:16] <kbrooks> Riddell, how
[03:16] <Riddell> kbrooks: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[03:17] <kbrooks> Riddell, ok
[03:19] <EvolutionR> I'm having trouble with my screen resolution there's no option for 1024*XXX is 640 X 480!
[03:20] <EvolutionR> Why this happening I've rebooted then it became the huge size?
[03:20] <wfx> *768?
[03:20] <njs12345> is there a way of turning sounds off in GDM?
[03:22] <EvolutionR> is there anyway to change back the screen resolution to 1024? There's no option anymore in the screen resolution?
[03:24] <wfx> EvolutionR: do you mean the login screen : sudo gdmsetup -> Accessibility
[03:24] <wfx> Ups :)
[03:24] <wfx> njs12345: do you mean the login screen : sudo gdmsetup -> Accessibility
[03:25] <bnurmi> Im having issues getting mplayer installed on ubuntu, any help?
[03:25] <EvolutionR> wfx: is not login screen is my entire screen/ desktop
[03:26] <nir> a basic shell question: VAR=X command
[03:26] <nir> how does it work?
[03:27] <nir> its the same as export var=x then running command?
[03:27] <wfx> EvolutionR: Computer -> Desktop Preference -> Sound, look at the Sound Events
[03:27] <XrrX> hi
[03:27] <EvolutionR> wfx: I've trouble on the screen resolution on my desktop, and there's no option for me to change back to normal.
[03:27] <wfx> arg ;-) sorry
[03:28] <XrrX> on what debian distro is ubuntu based?
[03:28] <klaym> what's a good bluetooth adapter program for ubuntu (warty) ?
[03:28] <wfx> EvolutionR: have you take alook on your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[03:28] <kent> XrrX, the debian called debian ;) ?
[03:29] <klaym> to connect to a Nokia phone
[03:29] <EvolutionR> wfx: not at the moment. ok I'll go have a look
[03:29] <XrrX> i meant, sarge or sid
[03:30] <XrrX> ah just read it,...sid
[03:30] <XrrX> thanks
[03:32] <bnurmi> Anyone give me a hand with xvid/mp3 playback?
[03:33] <mjt> where's xfonts-cyrillic in xorg package?  Looks like it's the only package left from my debian xfree86 install after "upgrading" to hoary...
[03:33] <mjt> bnurmi: what's your question?
[03:35] <MainVoid> ... 'lo ...
[03:35] <MainVoid> anybody home?
[03:35] <mjt> everyone's outside!
[03:35] <wfx> EvolutionR: show me youre config via http://paste.mine.nu/Pastebin/
[03:36] <MainVoid> lol... out playing in the sun, like all the other children?? LOL
[03:37] <bnurmi> mjt, im getting errors installing mplayer.
[03:37] <EvolutionR> wfx: look at #flood
[03:38] <EvolutionR> wfx: is any problem on my X....I
[03:38] <EvolutionR> wfx: I
[03:38] <EvolutionR> wfx: I've pasted on the #flood
[03:38] <EvolutionR> okie
[03:38] <EvolutionR> wfx:  	http://paste.mine.nu/tmp/GetPaste.aspx?paste=2181599388215&header=true
[03:38] <bone_idol> hello
[03:38] <MainVoid> 'lo
[03:38] <bone_idol> I've got an ubuntu install going on
[03:39] <bone_idol> and its rebooted and aksing for
[03:39] <kbrooks> i have a problem.
[03:39] <MainVoid> bone_idol: what is it asking for?
[03:39] <bone_idol> ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog -Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)
[03:39] <MainVoid> kbrooks: and it is??
[03:39] <wfx> EvolutionR: ok youre standart should be 1280x1024 with 24 hmmmm
[03:39] <kbrooks> i want to start up gdm on another tty, however it says already running
[03:40] <bone_idol> is that the install cd or the Live cd ?
[03:40] <MainVoid> bone_idol: that'd be the CD u installed from...
[03:40] <kbrooks> how do i bypass this
[03:40] <MainVoid> kbrooks: u wanna run a 2nd gdm instance??
[03:40] <EvolutionR> wfx: mine is samsung 17 inch...so I like to be 1024
[03:40] <kbrooks> yeah
[03:40] <MainVoid> bone_idol: should b the install cd, afaiui..
[03:40] <farruinn> kbrooks: do you have Applications>System>New Login ?
[03:40] <wfx> EvolutionR: please tell me again youre prob.
[03:41] <bone_idol> MainVoid: its in the machine and I  can mount and ls -al /cdrom
[03:41] <klaym> what should I type to untar a tar.gz -file into a certain directory?
[03:41] <farruinn> kbrooks: you may need to install gdmflexiserver
[03:41] <wfx> EvolutionR: oh, remove "<font size="3">1280x1024"</font>
[03:41] <wfx> sorry
[03:42] <farruinn> klaym: you mean as opposed to the directory that it usually creates?
[03:42] <wfx> EvolutionR:  remove "1280x1024"
[03:42] <kbrooks> ok
[03:42] <MainVoid> bone_idol: I've not seen that messsage before myself, so all I can help with is suggestions..
[03:42] <EvolutionR> wfx: ok the problem is....b4 I shutdown I save the screen resolution to 1024...few days ago, and it act ok. But not tonite when I boot this Ubuntu. I was shocked how come the screen resolution become like that?
[03:42] <bone_idol> but its asks me to press enter each time
[03:42] <bone_idol> MainVoid: ok
[03:42] <EvolutionR> wfx: okie
[03:42] <MainVoid> bone_idol: and at the monite it'd prob be to chuck in the Live CD instead, tho, I'd wonder why it'd ask for that one...
[03:42] <klaym> to untar the files inside the tar.gz into a certain directory (some other than where the tarball sits)
[03:42] <klaym> farruinn
[03:43] <MainVoid> bone_idol: dos it ask for that cd over and over again??
[03:43] <bone_idol> yes
[03:43] <MainVoid> bone_idol: or does something happen between each time u press enter??
[03:43] <wfx> EvolutionR: http://paste.mine.nu/tmp/GetPaste.aspx?paste=162968968718&header=true
[03:43] <EvolutionR> wfx: which line ? there's alot of it
[03:43] <farruinn> klaym: tar xvzf *.tar.gz -C [dir] 
[03:43] <wfx> EvolutionR: ready for use
[03:43] <EvolutionR> okie
[03:43] <EvolutionR> thanks
[03:44] <farruinn> klaym: maybe, I just looked at tar --help, that's all
[03:44] <wfx> EvolutionR: btw i was meaning the line in  Subsection "Display"
[03:44] <zido> i can't log in to linux, it says something about can't read ".ICEauthority" file..?
[03:44] <wfx> EvolutionR: the first x,y resolution always win
[03:45] <farruinn> zido: go to a virtual terminal (ctrl-alt-F1 or whatever) and 'rm ~/.ICEauthority'
[03:45] <zido> ah, i can just remove it?
[03:46] <EvolutionR> wfx: I think I've have to backup that file...if not next time it will become weird heehehhe
[03:46] <farruinn> zido: iirc that's the fix for that
[03:46] <farruinn> the file should be recreated
[03:46] <zido> okie
[03:46] <scoon> blackstar ?
[03:46] <zido> thx
[03:46] <kent> farruinn, what's causing that? several people have that problem time to time.. ?
[03:46] <klaym> farruinn: thanks!
[03:46] <EvolutionR> wfx: how to backup that file?
[03:46] <Littlechand> how beagled just seg fault
[03:47] <farruinn> kent: tbh I can't remember why it happened to me
[03:47] <farruinn> Littlechand: beagle runs a daemon?
[03:48] <Littlechand> i just start beagled --debug --fg
[03:48] <Littlechand> after few minutes, when it index my hom edirectory, it segfault
[03:48] <farruinn> eh, that's too bad, beagle was sounding interesting, but I don't know if I want to be running *another* daemon
[03:50] <Lathiat> farruinn: hwo else do you expect it to do its bookkeeping
[03:50] <Lathiat> Arricka: and dude, running processes really isnt that bad
[03:50] <bone_idol> in apt/sources.list it mentiosn the ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ .. CD
[03:50] <Lathiat> farruinn: rather
[03:50] <bone_idol> can I change the name?
[03:50] <Lathiat> bone_idol: for what purpose?
[03:51] <bone_idol> I am trying to install the ubuntu on a PC
[03:51] <bone_idol> I have a live cd and an install Cd
[03:52] <bone_idol> but after reboot it asks for the  4.10 _Warty
[03:52] <bone_idol>                    Warthog_
[03:52] <bone_idol> but whatever cd i put in it does not accept
[03:52] <bone_idol> Am i missing a CD
[03:52] <wfx> EvolutionR: sorry i was 2sec. out simply cp to any place you want or do a "cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4-Backup"
[03:52] <bone_idol> or is something else borked
[03:54] <Dempsey> My modem only has windows drivers, is there no chance of getting it working in ubuntu?
[03:54] <mjt> depends on the modem ;)
[03:55] <MainVoid> bone_idol: sorry, was away from the laptop a moment. u can just comment out the CD from sources.list...
[03:55] <Dempsey> external serial 56k modem
[03:55] <MainVoid> bone_idol: it'll stop asking then...
[03:56] <MainVoid> Dempsey: it should probably work then...
[03:56] <mjt> Dempsey: that's a real modem, it should work just fonme under linux
[03:56] <Stereotype> *mutters* Stupid GRUB, it keeps looping.>_<
[03:56] <mjt> fine even
[03:56] <MainVoid> Stereotype: ??? LOOPING ???
[03:57] <Stereotype> Yup, keeps saying "Loading Stage 1.5" over and over and over again.
[03:57] <Dempsey> I only started using linux yesterday, how do i connect to the internet
[03:57] <MainVoid> Stereotype: odd one alright.. have u just updated a kernel or something similar?
[03:58] <danboid> Hi!
[03:58] <bone_idol> MainVoid: thanks ..  I just need to find a nic to put in now :-)
[03:58] <Stereotype> I updated to HOARY from Warty.
[03:58] <MainVoid> Dempsey: depends on ur setup.
[03:58] <danboid> ok- just installed Hoary- how do I get it to boot into kdm?
[03:58] <MainVoid> bone_idol: no probbs.. ;)
[03:58] <danboid> I've installed kde from universe
[03:59] <Riddell> danboid: apt-get install kdmn
[03:59] <Riddell> danboid: apt-get install kdm
[03:59] <klaym> Stereotype: by upgrading to Hoary you're doomed to get your computer screwed from time to time
[03:59] <Dempsey> my setup? I just put in the ubuntu cd and let it install, i didnt really do anything else
[03:59] <Stereotype> Yar, I realized.
[04:00] <Stereotype> First Warty didn't like LBAs.
[04:00] <klaym> I run warty after some experience with hoary
[04:00] <MainVoid> Dempsey: I mean, ur network side of things. Do u have a network at all, if so, do u have an ADSL router or modem, etc. etc. etc.
[04:00] <Dempsey> warty
[04:00] <danboid> ridell: oh yeah! I thought it would got installed along with kde, guess not!
[04:00] <kent> Dempsey, can you find the program to administrate your network? From there, you can add the account, and activate the modem etc.
[04:00] <_FR0D0> hi, my cdrw does not work in ubuntu but is work ok in WinXP, i have a pavillion ze1230 with a QSI DVD/CDRW SBW-081 NH02 Removable CD-ROM
[04:00] <Riddell> danboid: you have to explicity ask for it for some reason
[04:00] <Dempsey> 56k modem as I said above
[04:01] <MainVoid> Dempsey: so u r running warty on one box, and u have 1 56 k modem. ok.
[04:01] <Dempsey> ya
[04:01] <MainVoid> Dempsey: do u have other machines on a network?
[04:01] <Stereotype> When I upgraded to Hoary, I had to apt-get Nautilus and GDM. >_<
[04:02] <chibif1> r u g p f?
[04:02] <danboid> riddell: ok, its on now. Can I just reboot or do I have to change a config file?
[04:02] <MainVoid> chibif1: ???
[04:02] <Dempsey> no this pc is on its own
[04:02] <Eliatamby> Hi Guys.  I have just installed the warty and apt-get installed linux kernel 686.  I now have "linux-image-2.6-386" and  "linux-restricted-modules-2.6-386" packages installed but are being held back for upgrade.  Should I unmark these and upgrade them safely (they are 386 images and modules as opposed to 686) or can I uninstall them?  Thanks
[04:02] <chibif1> "r" and "u" aren't words :P
[04:02] <Riddell> danboid: you should be able to just reboot
[04:02] <danboid> riddell: I'll give it a go- thanks!
[04:03] <MainVoid> Dempsey: ok, so then attach the modem. ubuntu should find it at next boot. then u need to configure PPP, and u r set...
[04:03] <defile> anybody else besides me have trouble editing menu's in Hoary?
[04:03] <MainVoid> chibif1: I know, but they are very common when chatting to people. used as abbreviations.
[04:03] <farruinn> defile: I think most people do at this point in time
[04:03] <defile> okay, far enough
[04:03] <Dempsey> where do I configure the PPP
[04:03] <defile> farruinn, thanks =)
[04:04] <defile> s/far/fair/
[04:04] <farruinn> defile: that's not to say that no one has done it though
[04:04] <farruinn> I don't think it's the most intuitive procedure atm
[04:04] <MainVoid> Dempsey: Preferences -> Network, I'd assume. I'm running an ADSL router here myself, and haven't used a modem the last 5 years, so can't quite remember.. ;)
[04:05] <Arricka> I just installed Gnucash from synaptic package manager last night but I can't find it
[04:05] <defile> farruinn, XML editing?
[04:05] <chibif1> MainVoid - You lie! Humans only use modern day English with no spelling errors and only words in Webster's dictionary from 1988!
[04:05] <jcurry> I'm trying to get an ubuntu box to cennect to the internet via ppp, but if i hit the 'activate' button in gnome's networking app, the check box just blinks on, then off.  The ppp log tells me that the 'serial line is looped back' right before terminating.  any idea of what could be wrong?
[04:05] <MainVoid> chibif1: ROTFL
[04:05] <farruinn> defile: maybe, but I'm in warty, all I know is that people have reported having trouble with it
[04:05] <jcurry> MainVoid, i'm using a dialup modem...
[04:05] <defile> okay
[04:06] <Dempsey> All I can find is Network Proxy
[04:06] <MainVoid> jcurry: am I correct in assuming that u can configure PPP in Preferences -> Network?
[04:06] <jcurry> MainVoid, i do computer > system configuration > network
[04:07] <MainVoid> jcurry: hey, as long as it works.. ;) Dempsey, did u see that one?
[04:07] <jcurry> MainVoid, but if you read above, i'm having problems...not sure if the way i configure it is the problem
[04:07] <MainVoid> jcurry: cheers!
[04:07] <klaym> anyone know if clearlooks theme is included in ubuntu repositories?
[04:07] <Dempsey> I see it
[04:07] <MainVoid> jcurry: so, how did u configure it?
[04:07] <farruinn> klaym: try apt-cache search clearlooks
[04:07] <jcurry> MainVoid, i just told you
[04:07] <MainVoid> Dempsey: does that help you?
[04:07] <jcurry> MainVoid, i'm trying to get it to work now
[04:08] <Dempsey> no
[04:08] <jcurry> MainVoid, i'm typing on my working debian box now :)
[04:08] <MainVoid> jcurry: Mmm.. Debian.. </drool>
[04:08] <Dempsey> I spotted that before, its askes about Direct Net connection, Manual & Auto proxy configuration
[04:09] <Dempsey> if i am in the right window, im clueless as where to go from there
[04:09] <jcurry> MainVoid, yes, i know :)
[04:09] <jcurry> MainVoid, this may help: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4299&highlight=ppp+hsf
[04:09] <jcurry> MainVoid, try pppconfig in a console
[04:09] <klaym> thanks
[04:10] <MainVoid> jcurry: I also find Administration -> Networking as a possible option..
[04:10] <Stereotype> Hoary Looks good so far. Just stupid grub. >_<
[04:11] <MainVoid> jcurry: in Hoary that is under the Desktop menu. u r in warty tho?
[04:11] <jcurry> MainVoid, no, in hoary :(
[04:11] <MainVoid> jcurry: Dempsey, it looks like you should eb able to configure your connection in there too...
[04:11] <Hwolf> Stereotype: Hoary is good. :-)
[04:12] <MainVoid> jcurry: in that case, in the Desktop menu, you'd find Administration -> Network.
[04:12] <chibif1> I think he meant "Are you currently using Ubuntu - The Warty Warthog release?"
[04:12] <chibif1> :D
[04:12] <zuurcool> hello all
[04:12] <jcurry> MainVoid, i don't hav a desktop menu, only applications and computer
[04:12] <zuurcool> i've downloaded the Hoary livecd, can i install it onto my harddisk ?
[04:12] <MainVoid> jcurry: have u upgraded lately?
[04:13] <farruinn> zuurcool: not with the livecd
[04:13] <jcurry> MainVoid, no, i'm on dialup, remember?
[04:13] <zuurcool> farruinn: no way possible ?
[04:13] <farruinn> zuurcool: install and livecd are separate
[04:13] <zuurcool> farruinn: can i start a netinstall from the livecd ?
[04:13] <MainVoid> jcurry: do u find a submenu named Administration?
[04:14] <MainVoid> jcurry: u r gonna have fun next time u type apt-get upgrade... ;)
[04:14] <farruinn> zuurcool: there may be ways to use the livecd for installation, but wouldn't know how :/
[04:14] <jcurry> MainVoid, no such menu
[04:14] <farruinn> zuurcool: it'd probably be easier to just get the install cd and use that
[04:14] <jcurry> MainVoid, i do plan to upgrade when i have another chance
[04:14] <farruinn> jcurry: are you sure you're in hoary? because you're describing the warty menus...
[04:15] <robertj> farruinn: he could just be using an old version
[04:15] <farruinn> robertj: ah, true
[04:15] <Looky> hey everyone
[04:15] <Looky> does anyone know if there is a configeration svae command for ubuntu
[04:16] <MainVoid> jcurry: could u find it in Applications -> System Tools -> Networking ??
[04:16] <MainVoid> Looky: configuration save??
[04:16] <Stereotype> Hwolf: Hoary is good, but GRUB blows.:-/ I'm also getting random freezes a lot in both Hoary and Warty (64ed.)
[04:16] <Looky> i am tired of re-entering my bookmarks and instan message conatcts each time i boot my live cd version
[04:16] <MainVoid> Looky: what type if configuration are we talking about.. ;)
[04:16] <MainVoid> Looky: Ah.. well, install ubuntu??
[04:17] <jcurry> MainVoid, i'm not sure which one i'm in, sorry
[04:17] <Hwolf> Stereotype: 64-bit will not be x86-style stable for a while, nor will it be faster for at least 18 months
[04:17] <jcurry> MainVoid, how do i tell?
[04:17] <jcurry> MainVoid, i installed from the shipped cds, but did an upgrade
[04:17] <farruinn> jcurry: look in /etc/X11, if you have XF86Config-4 you'r ein warty, if it's Xorg.conf you're in hoary
[04:17] <Looky> wnat to run live cd, do alot on irc and live cd there is less chance of hacks and viruses
[04:18] <farruinn> jcurry: but I can't imagine you could upgrade to hoary w/o knowing about it ;)
[04:18] <MainVoid> jcurry: have u changed ur sources.list??
[04:18] <Stereotype> Hwolf: So I should be on Warty, then?
[04:18] <jcurry> farruinn, thanks, but i gotta go now
[04:18] <MainVoid> so that the word "warty" has been replaced with "hoary"??
[04:18] <jcurry> sorry, thanks for all the help :(
[04:19] <Looky> so i guees there is now save config command for live cd ?
[04:19] <MainVoid> Looky: so, u want to use the live CD because of security reasons?
[04:19] <Looky> yup
[04:19] <Nonphasis> does the composite extension for Xorg still suck?
[04:20] <MainVoid> Looky: Well, I have no idea if u can save out the data u want when running the live cd or not, since I have not used it at all...
[04:20] <Looky> i used a different live cd for a month but i need xchat, and i could not get xchat to work on that live cd
[04:20] <Hwolf> Sterotype: I'm talking 64-bit in general. You won't see it take off untill intel enables it on it's celerons, which it should do Q3. A year after it starts making sense to update for 64-bit
[04:20] <MainVoid> Looky: otoh, why would the live cd be safer then a proper installation??
[04:20] <Looky> so i was told about ubuntu
[04:20] <Stereotype> I know with Knoppix, you can save configs to a disk.
[04:21] <Looky> with the live cd, viruses can not be written to the live cd
[04:21] <farruinn> Looky: maybe try gnoppix, that's closely linked with ubuntu
[04:21] <MainVoid> Looky: may I ask, are you a recent Linux convert, coming in from the windows camp?
[04:21] <Looky> yup
[04:21] <Looky> been doing linux foe about a month
[04:21] <maximaus> I was looking for that option as well with the live CD--using a different ~home partition when booting--perhaps there's into on the Morphix website (I believe Ubuntu Live CD is the child of Morphix)
[04:21] <Stereotype> I've been Windows free for 7 months now.:-)
[04:22] <zuurcool> farruinn: thanks!
[04:22] <MainVoid> Looky: ah, explains it.. Just to say, I've not yet been infected once by a virus in Linux..
[04:22] <Looky> i went to morphix irc channel and they said that there is now save config
[04:22] <PhilAway> Can anyone help me with why I get these messages when I try to boot with my Ubuntu cd ? "1782-Disk controller failure
[04:22] <PhilAway>  601-Diskette Controller error
[04:23] <Looky> i used slax lived cd which has a save cofig command, but it does not have xchat
[04:23] <maximaus> MainVoid, I've been running desktop linux for four years and zero security problems here. Lovely.
[04:23] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hi
[04:23] <Looky> i tried installeing the xchat module but after four attampts at altering the iso
[04:23] <MainVoid> maximaus: same here, been using Linux since 1.0.<3 I think it was>
[04:23] <Looky> i still could not get xchat to work with the slax live cd
[04:24] <MainVoid> maximaus: in fairness, I do have an old w98 box I use once in a while, tho just for games...
[04:24] <Looky> max......thats why i am learming linux
[04:24] <Looky> plus live cd is even more secure from viruses, worm, and such
[04:24] <farruinn> has anyone here actually ever gotten a virus on linux?
[04:24] <MainVoid> maximaus: and *that* box has been kept up to date, and still gotten infected.. :(
[04:24] <maximaus> MainVoid: LOL that's fine by me--it was "Clippy" in '98 that drove me to Linux.
[04:24] <MainVoid> maximaus: LOL...
[04:25] <CikguXML> hello
[04:25] <Looky> i like the look and feel of ubuntu
[04:25] <MainVoid> Looky: I think you'll be quite safe from viruses, generally speaking...
[04:25] <Looky> been using for a wek now
[04:25] <defile> farruinn, I have not, assuming that wasn't rethorical ;-)
[04:25] <maximaus> Mainvoid, virii certainly, but what about hacks?
[04:25] <CikguXML> today it's my first week with my little warty warthog
[04:25] <MainVoid> farruinn: not one..
[04:25] <klaym> how is linux's (ubuntu's) security when it comes to hackers?
[04:26] <CikguXML> and I'm very happy with it
[04:26] <klaym> if there's no firewall installed
[04:26] <MainVoid> farruinn: know ppl who got that lovely worm waaaay back in their web servers, when it was like an hour old...
[04:26] <Looky> but with live cd version, it is harder for hackers to get in
[04:26] <Looky> almost impossible
[04:26] <farruinn> Looky: you understand that if you use linux that windows viruses can't hurt you anymore, right?
[04:26] <defile> klaym, pretty small attack surface, no open ports by default
[04:26] <Looky> yup
[04:26] <Looky> but want to stop hackers to
[04:27] <MainVoid> Looky: not harder to get in, but anything they may wanna "tuck away" would be gone at next reboot, at the latest, depending on how the live cd is done..
[04:27] <klaym> defile: ok. howabout when running xchat, azureus and gaim? :)
[04:27] <Looky> and with live cd hackers have a greater time / much harder time getting in
[04:27] <maximaus> klaym, yeah there's a possibility of getting hacked always, but I've been IRC'ing for years on linux without being violated by some script kiddie.
[04:27] <defile> klaym, how will a firewall stop any layer 7 stuff?
[04:27] <klaym> I don't know, I know nothing
[04:27] <Nonphasis> Looky, it's not harder to get in w/ live cd
[04:28] <defile> yes, there is layer 7 support in iptables, but it's not in most distributions
[04:28] <Nonphasis> Looky, as soon as there is a vuln in live cd they will get in
[04:28] <MainVoid> and the live cd uses the same packages as the ordinary distro...
[04:28] <Looky> i have a friend who works with govn't and he says that on there top system they run live cd's because you can not hack them
[04:28] <Looky> can not writ to a cd
[04:28] <defile> klaym, well if a connection attempt is made, it still has to be part of an established connection to access your TCP/IP stack
[04:29] <Hwolf> maklaym: Linux is a niche market. It's much more fun to hack windows users, there are more of them, and they're drumber
[04:29] <Hwolf> -r
[04:29] <MainVoid> Looky: which country do u live in?
[04:29] <Looky> U.S
[04:29] <MainVoid> Looky: Ok. what type of govt agency does he work for?
[04:29] <Nonphasis> Looky, the idea is that if there is no hard drive, there is nothing to lose if you get hacked. if you have a hard drive, it all becomes accessible
[04:29] <Looky> nsa
[04:30] <Looky> not hard drive
[04:30] <nir> how do I set the numlock to be ON as default (this make me crazy)
[04:30] <Looky> no*
[04:30] <defile> otherwise the kernel will not accept the connection, now having said all of this, I still recommend running a firewall, there is still DoS, and why give any attack surface?
[04:30] <MainVoid> Looky: as Nonphasis said, that would be the only reaosn behind it...
[04:30] <Looky> i have a cd tower that serves files on the irc
[04:30] <Looky> sorry dvd tower
[04:31] <Looky> i serve the files from there
[04:31] <wfx> where do i find the list where is see witch debian package include some development libs
[04:31] <MainVoid> Looky: so, r those readers or writers?
[04:31] <Looky> so you can not can or hack dvd that are only in a dvd reader
[04:31] <Looky> :)
[04:31] <Looky> just readers
[04:32] <farruinn> wfx: which package are you looking for? it's usually foo-dev
[04:32] <Looky> i guess it sounds like there is no save config in ubuntu
[04:32] <Nonphasis> Looky, it would be even better if you could master your own livecd w/o sendmail & other stuff hackers would want to get hold of
[04:32] <wfx> farruinn: debian use different names and anyone point me to a site wehere i can see it
[04:33] <Looky> did that
[04:34] <Looky> well thanks for your time
[04:34] <MainVoid> wfx: "debian uses dofferent names" ??
[04:34] <MainVoid> Looky: no probbs...
[04:34] <Looky> catch you all lata
[04:34] <Looky> cheers
[04:34] <pacotaco> hi, does anyone know how to set up the alsa-drivers package on ubuntu?  I'm new to linux, and I have searched around trying to figure out how to set up my Analog Devices Soundmax card, and it seems that i need to get alsa working.
[04:34] <Looky> :)\
[04:34] <MainVoid> Looky: sorry we couldn't help u anymore...
[04:34] <Looky> np
[04:34] <Looky> Cheers!
[04:34] <Nonphasis> pacotaco, alsa is the default in ubuntu...
[04:35] <pacotaco> hmm... show how much i know.
[04:35] <MainVoid> pacotaco: is it a SoundMax 3?
[04:35] <Hwolf> trey3: amen!
[04:35] <trey3> ogra: congrats on Maintainer status  :)
[04:35] <pacotaco> I see on synaptic that alsa packages are installed, but I read somewhere else that alsa-driver needs to be installed
[04:35] <MainVoid> trey3: heya... yes, esp. if their names begin with an R ...
[04:36] <ogra> trey3: thanks... when will we see you become a MOTU ?
[04:36] <trey3> MainVoid: and an S... *nods*
[04:36] <pacotaco> and sorry, I don't know if it is SoundMax 3, but I don't think so.
[04:36] <Nonphasis> pacotaco, what does lspci say?
[04:36] <trey3> ogra: haha... not really my area  ;)
[04:36] <PhilAway> Question : does anyone know why I get these messages when I try to boot with the Installation-cd ?"1782-Disk controller failure and 601-Diskette Controller error"
[04:36] <ogra> trey3: ah, come on...
[04:36] <trey3> ogra: wait... MOTU?
[04:37] <pacotaco> Nonphasis: what is Ispci?
[04:37] <ogra> trey3: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[04:37] <Nonphasis> pacotaco, run the command lspci in a terminal
[04:37] <robertj> pacotaco: L S P C I
[04:37] <robertj> (caps added for emphasis because of i and l looking similar)
[04:38] <pacotaco> Nonphasis: it says my audio controller is AC '97
[04:38] <bitfoo> looks like there is a lot of sound problems with hoary :/
[04:38] <bretze1> Hi there :-)  -- Someone knows about hw_random.ko ? it fails at startup ( FATAL: hw_random.ko: no such file...) just after hotplug system ...
[04:38] <Nonphasis> pacotaco, that is all? many cards are ac97...
[04:39] <bitfoo> mines ac97 and my sound is borked as well
[04:39] <bretze1> But I browsed /lib/... and that file is there in ervery kernel version subdir ...
[04:39] <Nonphasis> Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[04:39] <bitfoo> bretze1, are you using warty?
[04:39] <MainVoid> pacotaco: sudo modprobe i810-audio
[04:39] <Nonphasis> I have vt8235
[04:39] <bretze1> bitfoo: yes
[04:39] <bitfoo> i had that happen to me too, i think someone told me it doesnt matter? :|
[04:40] <bretze1> bitfoo: 2.6.8.1-4-386
[04:40] <pacotaco> Nonphasis: sorry, it says ATI technologies Inc IXP150 AC '97 Audio controller
[04:40] <Nonphasis> pacotaco, ok, so that's the stuff to feed google, you might get lucky
[04:40] <bretze1> ah ok, I intuitively guess it is related to random numbers generator isn't it ?
[04:41] <pacotaco> Mainvoid: OK, I did that, what else?
[04:41] <MainVoid> pacotaco: can u now try to play any sound files...
[04:41] <MainVoid> trey3: why?
[04:42] <Nonphasis> pacotaco, run "alsamixer"
[04:42] <trey3> ogra: hah... idk, might look into it, got a lot of free time for a while till I get a job/figure some things out with school...
[04:42] <pacotaco> Mainvoid: hmmm, I still can't seem to even turn the volume up
[04:42] <trey3> MainVoid: I clicked on a link... and it died  :/
[04:42] <Nonphasis> pacotaco, you will see if your sound chip is ok and you can turn up the volume...
[04:42] <mjt> hmm. after installing xorg 6.8.1-1ubuntu10, xv stopped working - the picture looks like some green garbage (any app using xv - xine, tvtime, mplayer, ...).  Any pointers?
[04:42] <trey3> MainVoid: rather annoying  :'(
[04:42] <ogra> trey3: so its the perfect tim to jump in then ;)
[04:42] <MainVoid> trey3: lol
[04:43] <trey3> ogra: pretty much, yeah... but I'm not sure what I could do thats useful...
[04:43] <pacotaco> Nonphasis: it says, snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[04:43] <Nonphasis> pacotaco, ok, so it was the wrong driver
[04:43] <ogra> trey3: adopt your favorite package ?
[04:43] <trey3> ogra: I don't seem to venture into Universe other than for some games... and Mplayer...
[04:43] <pacotaco> Nonphasis: any other suggestions?
[04:44] <robertj> trey3: stupid wesnoth ;)
[04:44] <bretze1> I have an other prob:  Can't get Digital camera connection ( USB) ???
[04:44] <trey3> robertj: that game scares me... way too addicting  :o
[04:44] <Nonphasis> pacotaco, modprobe atiixp
[04:44] <MorphDK> Hey.. Is X.org and KDE 3.3.3 a part of Hoary?
[04:45] <Nonphasis> MorphDK, yes
[04:45] <bretze1> MorphDK: I read "yes"
[04:45] <Nonphasis> or was it 3.3.2...
[04:45] <ogra> trey3: adopt it ;) sinc you two already had such a nice time *g*
[04:45] <MorphDK> Nonphasis, nice.. but it still installs GNOME as default?
[04:45] <trey3> ogra: haha  :)
[04:45] <pacotaco> Nonphasis: ok, I did modprobe atiixp, then tried to run alsamixer, with the same results as last time
[04:45] <Nonphasis> MorphDK, yes, and gnome is the supported one
[04:46] <trey3> MorphDK: yes... enless you enter 'custom' at install prompt...
[04:46] <MorphDK> Nonphasis okay.. then I just install both of them..
[04:46] <MorphDK> thx
[04:46] <trey3> grr @ him not listening  :(
[04:46] <Riddell> moyogo: KDE 3.3.2 (the latest) is in hoary
[04:47] <Riddell> that was to MorphDK not moyogo
[04:47] <projectmayhem> hey everyone, i'm about to install linux to dual boot on my computer, and  was just wondering if this was the best distro to use or if i should go with another one
[04:47] <bretze1> KDE 3.3.2 is very ok I can't wait to go to Hoary :_)
[04:47] <Nonphasis> projectmayhem, wrong place to ask ;-)
[04:47] <projectmayhem> i figured
[04:48] <Nonphasis> projectmayhem, if you are a noob, Ubuntu os best, yes
[04:48] <Nonphasis> projectmayhem, also if you werent one, but then you wouldn't need to ask ;-)
[04:48] <trey3> Riddell: I read someone playing with KDE 3.4 beta1 .debs, and setting up a repo for it... you checked that out? (I'd link, but I forget where it was)
[04:48] <projectmayhem> i've been looking at this distro and fedora 3, and was wondering which one was better for day to day use and a little java programming
[04:48] <bretze1> Sh**t - I am really screwed... I can't get any comms. with my USB Digital camera!! :-( why - why ???
[04:48] <projectmayhem> nophasis: turst me, i'm a major noob
[04:48] <projectmayhem> trust*
[04:49] <trey3> projectmayhem: Ubuntu should serve you well   :)
[04:49] <Nonphasis> projectmayhem, both are good, so you can't go wrong
[04:49] <projectmayhem> ok, but neither has any specific advantages?
[04:49] <maximaus> projectmayhem:  I've used both, they're both decent. I prefer Ubuntu since it happens to focus on the application I like.
[04:49] <Riddell> trey3: I havn't heard of any publicly available 3.4 .debs, if you know any that would be very interesting
[04:49] <projectmayhem> maximaus: what app is that?
[04:49] <bretze1> projectmayhem: I came from Fedora Core 3 and before, MandrakeLinux and I have to say that Ubuntu has at least equal dev support if not better
[04:50] <Nonphasis> projectmayhem, Fedora is more "bleeding edge", su Ubuntu might be more stable. I jumped fedora b/c FC2 kept crashing on my system
[04:50] <maximaus> projectmayhem: just various Gnome stuff, Fedora has them too, but it seems that Ubuntu's Gnome is more polished
[04:50] <trey3> projectmayhem: Ubuntu offers easier major upgrades... Fedora seems to offer more GUI's for things such as DNS, Sound, and GUI configuration...
[04:51] <projectmayhem> ok, thanks everyone. jeese, the linux community is much more friendly than windows tech support!
[04:51] <maximaus> projectmayhem: I find Ubuntu to be MUCH faster on my older box, though you could certainly tweak Fedora. Fedora needs a little more TLC to get up to running speed. Ubuntu has a much cooler community IMHO. :P
[04:51] <regeya_> well to be fair you can use apt with fedora, but yum is preferred...hated yum :-D
[04:51] <projectmayhem> yeah... i don't know what yum or apt is (is that installer stuff? i think i saw it in a tutorial somewhere..)
[04:52] <maximaus> regeya: I used apt on Fedora, worked great, but it was SLOW for some reason.
[04:52] <bretze1> trey3: I agreee but since I am a KDevelop user, I found that Ubuntu(warty)  needs some works to get the same envs as I had with Fedora - but at the end, I prefere Ubuntu because of its update/upgrade
[04:52] <regeya_> BTW, did anyone read that rant about debian's ruby packaging?  /me finds the link...
[04:52] <warty> :)
[04:52] <projectmayhem> should i download warty or hoary?
[04:52] <maximaus> projectmayhem: package management stuff is what that is. Apt is a system of installing software from remote secure repositories and resolving any conflicts or dependencies.
[04:53] <regeya_> bretzel: yeah...same here, but I tell myself that warty is a first
[04:53] <regeya_> projectmayhem, warty
[04:53] <maximaus> projectmayhem: Synaptic is Ubuntu's graphical front-end for the apt utility.
[04:53] <kbrooks> :O
[04:53] <projectmayhem> i tried the hoary live CD last night and didn't seem to have any problems, it actually ran WAY faster than windows ever did on my 2.66 p4/ 512 mb ram
[04:54] <Amaranth> projectmayhem: do you like fight club, by any chance?
[04:54] <projectmayhem> I love fight club :-D
[04:54] <Nonphasis> b/c he still has windos to fall back on...
[04:54] <Amaranth> :)
[04:54] <projectmayhem> best book / movie everrrrrr
[04:54] <bretze1> hmmm sorry to insist but I have serious problem with getting digital camera tools working -- nothing is detected... I must miss some sup.tools ...
[04:54] <trey3> Riddell: ahh... can't seem to find the source now... saw it earlier  :(
[04:54] <maximaus> bretze1:  you can't mount your camera?
[04:55] <Hwolf> trey3: I know the feeling
[04:55] <Nonphasis> regeya_, doesn't matter, Ubuntu is a Python distro anyway :-p
[04:55] <projectmayhem> also, i am in need of some security software- just antivirus and firewall as precautionary measures (the rest of my family is afraid i'll get a virus running linux, when they're the ones that use IE!)
[04:55] <Amaranth> python distro?
[04:55] <Guardiann> :)
[04:56] <bretze1> maximaus: That'it: let say: gtkam cannot detect. Normally ( tried hoary livecd ) as soon as plugging the camera into USB port, the GUI fires up... but nothing happens in this installation
[04:56] <Ng> projectmayhem: hehe
[04:56] <Nonphasis> Amaranth, yes, Ubuntu is very much pro-python, partially because of Shuttleworth's fandom of the language
[04:56] <Guardiann> bretzel thats strange both warty and hpary picked mine up
[04:56] <regeya_> Nonphasis, heh, yeah, I happen to like Python :-D but I was going to give Ruby on Rails a looksee, evaluating for work, and ran across a rant...still looking for it...
[04:56] <maximaus> bretze1: does your camera mount as mass media, or does it need a driver?
[04:57] <projectmayhem> i saw firestarter was a firewall, is there any anti-viral software for ubuntu?
[04:57] <Ng> projectmayhem: if you haven't installed any server software since you installed ubuntu you don't need a firewall, by default nothing is available remotely
[04:57] <Ng> projectmayhem: as for anti-virus, there's clamav, but it's not like a windows anti-virus scanner in that it doesn't scan desktop crap
[04:57] <Ng> because there really isn't a threat in that area atm
[04:57] <bretze1> Guardiann: Iknow, The previous warty installation, everything worked fine - even playing DVDs, but I must have done something that broke the system in this insatallation - ( I mean installing stuff )
[04:58] <projectmayhem> ok... i just need SOMETHING so that my dad thinks i can scan for viruses :-/
[04:58] <Amaranth> Nonphasis: Python is my favorite language so I wish that were true but can you point to any examples?
[04:58] <Nonphasis> I happen to sell a killer antivirus package I wrote. Handles all the recent Viruses threahening linux ATM. just EUR49.95
[04:58] <Ng> projectmayhem: installed clamav from universe then, but it doesn't have a pretty interface or anything
[04:58] <projectmayhem> doesn't matter
[04:58] <Nonphasis> Amaranth, google "python ubuntu" or sth
[04:59] <Ng> projectmayhem: it's mostly aimed at scanning for windows viruses ;)
[04:59] <regeya_> um.
[04:59] <maximaus> projectmayhem: just create a link on the desktop that opens a terminal window and spews a bunch of text, label it "antivirus". :D
[04:59] <bretze1> maximaus: No, it is a supported/listed: KODAK CX6230 which is really esay detected -- usually
[04:59] <Ng> hehe
[04:59] <Ng> projectmayhem: also, get your family using firefox instead of IE :)
[04:59] <Ng> then they're safer too :)
[04:59] <projectmayhem> maximaus: haha, not a bad idea
[04:59] <projectmayhem> ng: yeah, trust me, i've been trying.... no one listens, even though firefox is so much mroe intuitive!!
[04:59] <Nonphasis> Amaranth, there has bene numerous references... also take a look at the number of Python packages, the fact that python is now in "essential" packages, etc.
[04:59] <Amaranth> Nonphasis: i = 0; while i < 100000000000: print 'Scanning...'; i += 1
[04:59] <maximaus> bretze1:  that sucks, did you try upgrading/downgrading gphoto to see it that's the problem?
[04:59] <bretze1> I suspect media drivers screwed in this installation - can't say what I've done/baddly installed ...
[04:59] <Ng> projectmayhem: doh!
[05:00] <Ng> projectmayhem: they'll listen next time they get riddled with spyware and popups ;)
[05:00] <Amaranth> Nonphasis: Sell that for $60 USD :)
[05:00] <projectmayhem> ng: i did convince my sister, she's a student at u of delaware and she kept getting viruses and spyware like crazy
[05:00] <Ng> :)
[05:01] <projectmayhem> ng: i don't need anti-spyware or anything, do i? jeese i can't believe i even have to ask this... stupid parents think i can get viruses on linux...
[05:01] <Nonphasis>  python -c "print '0 virus(es) found'"
[05:01] <Nonphasis> projectmayhem, emphatically NO
[05:01] <Ng> projectmayhem: no antispyware needed :)
[05:01] <maximaus> I just put Ubuntu on my Mom's box and she thought it was windows for several months. "Why'd you change the background on my computer" she complained. Just arrange the task bars and put the Mozilla icon on the desktop...
[05:01] <Nonphasis> projectmayhem, no need to d/l seedy software from the net, it's all coming safely through ubuntu HQ
[05:01] <xinit> hi
[05:01] <Amaranth> just a little common sense when a site tries to get you to install an XPI without you asking for it
[05:01] <bretze1> redoing rof all gphoto stuff in synaptic ...
[05:02] <robertj> ng: tell them you are safe in the hands of communism
[05:02] <Ng> haha
[05:02] <maximaus> OMFG, you guys are all communists?
[05:02] <projectmayhem> nonphasis/ng: thanks guys, looks like i'm ready to go, i might be back later once i get things going and i'm running ubuntu on my computer!
[05:02] <Ng> RMS's great scythe in the sky will protect you ;)
[05:02] <Ng> projectmayhem: np :)
[05:03] <bretze1> projectmayhem: You won't regret that :-)
[05:03] <projectmayhem> ng: how big of a hard drive partition would you guys reccommend for ubuntu, i'd like to keep it under 20 gigs if possible....
[05:03] <Ng> projectmayhem: the base install is pretty small, 20 gigs will be *plenty*
[05:04] <Nonphasis> projectmayhem, you can store all the pr0n in your windows partitions, so you wont neehd much
[05:04] <maximaus> projectmayhem: you only need around 3g for software. I do recommend creating both a / and a /home partition with the installer.
[05:04] <wfx> ogra: i graveman youre baby?
[05:04] <Ng> projectmayhem: I have loads of extra programming stuff installed on top of the base install and I'm using <3Gb
[05:04] <wfx> is
[05:04] <projectmayhem> ok, so 3 gb is good?
[05:04] <Amaranth> Nonphasis: I don't know why I didn't realize the Ubuntu and Python connection sooner. I've been bragging to Gentoo users that my Python and PyGTK is newer than what their distro offers for awhile now.
[05:04] <Nonphasis> projectmayhem, go for 5 gigs at least
[05:04] <bretze1> rebooting to see if libgphoto-port0 works ... :-(
[05:05] <xinit> I'm upgrading from debian to ubuntu, and the doc says "apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop", but I get unmet depedencies.. what's wrong?
[05:05] <maximaus> projectmayhem: I've got 2x the software of a base install and I'm still way under 3g
[05:05] <projectmayhem> ok.... i think i'll put it at 10 gigs... can i go back and make my partition bigger if i need to, or can i only erase partitions?
[05:05] <Ng> xinit: what did you add to your apt sources?
[05:05] <xinit> Ng: yes..
[05:05] <xinit> Ng: and did a dist-upgrade
[05:05] <bretze1> BTW: I have 3 two-USB ports all dected a bootime...
[05:05] <Nonphasis> Amaranth, the fun thing is, Fedora is also pro-python, so things are looking good for pythonistas :-)
[05:06] <Amaranth> :)
[05:06] <xinit> Ng: libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2.2) but 2.3.2.ds1-20 is to be installed
[05:06] <Ng> projectmayhem: something like partition magic can resize windows and linux partitions. I think parted can on linux, but it's a little more complex
[05:06] <LinuxJones> Can anybody recommend a good Python RAD Tool ?
[05:06] <amiroff> Hello, I have a problem with Nvidia drivers after upgrading to hoary, X just wont start when I have "nvidia" in my xorg.conf, error says that my Nvidia kernel module is 1.0.6111 and my X module is 1.0.6629, thus API mismatch. How can I fix this?
[05:06] <regeya_> I can't find the rant right now, but apparently the ruby debian packager decided to split ruby's standard library apart into 34 separate packages, and doesn't offer a convenience package to just-install-it-the-way-it-was-intended-plsthx
[05:06] <ogra> wfx: only my package :)
[05:06] <Amaranth> I converted a PyGTK developer to Ubuntu just because of GTK 2.6.0 and PyGTK 2.5.1
[05:06] <maximaus> projectmayhem:  I'd just create a 3-5G /partition for software and a /home partition large enough for your personal files.
[05:06] <projectmayhem> ok... any free alternatives to partition magic that would work as well? i'm a bit low on cash...
[05:06] <maximaus> projectmayhem: are you partitioning a windows XP disc?
[05:07] <Nonphasis> LinuxJones, for GUI stuff?
[05:07] <Ng> xinit: did you take out the debian ones? just wondering if they are conflicting maybe
[05:07] <maximaus> I'm still of the 2 seperate HD for dual booting, tbh.
[05:07] <projectmayhem> maximaus: i'm running xp right now, no extra partitions or anything
[05:07] <xinit> Ng: I did
[05:07] <xinit> Ng: only have ubuntu sources now
[05:07] <wfx> ogra: if you have some spare time (please ;-) make a new one.
[05:07] <maximaus> projectmayhem: Partition magic is really the way to go.
[05:08] <maximaus> borrow it from a friend.
[05:08] <Ng> xinit: hrm, tbh I'm not sure, I nuked my debian install and started from scratch, so I dunno ;)
[05:08] <projectmayhem> yeah... most of my friends are pretty computer illiterate...
[05:08] <xinit> Ng: k..
[05:08] <wfx> what is the name for glib-gettextize
[05:08] <Nonphasis> projectmayhem, if you create new partitions, make them fat32 instead of ntfs (you'll have to settle w/ 30 gig size the though)
[05:08] <Ng> xinit: I'd be tempted to force it anyway,mbut that could leave it totally unworking ;)
[05:08] <maximaus> projectmayhem: or get a cheap 2nd drive somewhere. ;)
[05:08] <xinit> Ng: let's just try that..
[05:08] <amiroff> can anyone help me with Nvidia stuff please?
[05:09] <Ng> amiroff: ask your question or detail your problem and we'll see :)
[05:09] <Nonphasis> projectmayhem, you might be able to acquire demo version or sth with eMule ;-)
[05:09] <amiroff> Ng: I have a problem with Nvidia drivers after upgrading to hoary, X just wont start when I have "nvidia" in my xorg.conf, error says that my Nvidia kernel module is 1.0.6111 and my X module is 1.0.6629, thus API mismatch. How can I fix this?
[05:09] <bretzel> No luck - gtkam: no camera detected... I am about to CRY
[05:09] <Nonphasis> amiroff, boot to hoary kernel
[05:10] <projectmayhem> haha... yeah p2ps don't work with my firewall (mcafee :-/), but i think i might just buy a small hard drive for cheap... 40 gig or something
[05:10] <amiroff> Nonphasis: but then, there's another error with hoary kernel
[05:10] <wfx> ogra: but mrburns is youre app, right ;-)
[05:10] <ogra> yup
[05:10] <Nonphasis> amiroff, ah... of course you could just go grab the driver from nv website
[05:10] <ogra> but its more a proof of concept thingie
[05:11] <Nonphasis> projectmayhem, can't you configure the firewall?
[05:11] <amiroff> Nonphasis: really? I thought it alredy gor updated from the repository...
[05:11] <Nonphasis> amiroff, yes, you got the new driver but the kernel driver was for the heary kernel, not the old warty one
[05:11] <projectmayhem> nonphasis: not really, i could get by the firewall but then my router slowed it down too
[05:12] <bretzel> afk
[05:12] <max-away> projectmayhem: the 2nd HDD route is HIGHLY recommended. I've seen XP "eat" linux partitions on the same drive before.
[05:12] <projectmayhem> i tried opening up the ports and that didn't work... :-/
[05:12] <amiroff> Nonphasis: so now, I have to boot with 2.6.10 and get nvidia drivers from their site?
[05:12] <Nonphasis> amiroff, if you boot w/ 2.6.10 it should work directly
[05:13] <Nonphasis> amiroff, if you want to stick w/ tho old kernel remove nvidia packages and install the driver from nv website
[05:13] <projectmayhem> maxaway: ok, much much appreciated
[05:13] <Nonphasis> projectmayhem, slow == better than nothing
[05:13] <amiroff> Nonphasis: it does not work there either :( anyway, will try the second advice
[05:14] <Nonphasis> maxaway: xp only eats the boot loader if you get unlucky, not the distro itself
[05:15] <Nonphasis> amiroff, yes, it is optimal. but get a big drive, you can always use the disk space. small drive will only piss you off in the long run
[05:15] <Nonphasis> amiroff, sorry wrong msg
[05:15] <amiroff> Nonphasis: :)
[05:15] <maximaus> Nonphasis: you're probably right--it happened on a couple machines I did for friends--they complained over the phone, and I could never investigate.
[05:15] <wfx> where do i find "glib-gettext.m4"
[05:15] <bretzel> How can I verify gphoto work to see how it is failing to mount the camera ?
[05:16] <projectmayhem> ok thanks everyone
[05:16] <projectmayhem> i g2g, i really appreciate all the advice
[05:16] <maximaus> bretzel: start it in a terminal
[05:16] <bretzel> oh! gphoto: not found ?
[05:17] <bretzel> oops 2
[05:17] <amiroff> Nonphasis: when you mean remove nvidia stuff, do you mean nvidia-kernel-common or nvidia-glx ?
[05:17] <nir> I want to add a setleds call in one of the init scripts, what is the best way to this, so after upgrading the system I will not have to do this again?
[05:18] <kbrooks> nir, errr
[05:18] <xinit> where can I find the libc6 package? debian unstable has a later libc6 and want to downgrade to the ubuntu version
[05:18] <wfx> ogra: do you know where i can find "glib-gettext.m4"?
[05:18] <Nonphasis> amiroff, all of it
[05:18] <kbrooks> nir, warty -> hoary?
[05:18] <nir> I can upgrade now?
[05:19] <kbrooks> nir, ARE YOU UPGRADING FROM WARTY TO HOARY
[05:19] <nir> no
[05:19] <ogra> wfx: libglib2.0-dev
[05:19] <kbrooks> do u have a second hard drive
[05:19] <nir> yea
[05:19] <wfx> ogra: big thx how you find it
[05:19] <kbrooks> nir, blank?
[05:19] <nir> but I will not install horay there
[05:20] <amiroff> Nonphasis: but trying to remove nvidia-kernel-common tries to remove some kernel stuff
[05:20] <kbrooks> or unused?
[05:20] <nir> Its with os x and I using it fro production
[05:20] <Nonphasis> amiroff, what stuff?
[05:20] <nir> I have place on the linux disk
[05:20] <nir> but that not the question
[05:20] <ogra> wfx: install apt-file , run apt-file update and search with: apt-file search glib-gettext.m4
[05:21] <nir> what is the general way to add an init script that will remain unchanged on upgrades?
[05:21] <kbrooks> nir, back it up there
[05:21] <Nonphasis> nir, create rc.local (or sth) in /etc/init.d, use update-rc.d to create the symlinks
[05:21] <nir> thanks
[05:21] <mikmu> Hey there, quick question.  Can you install from the livecds, or do you need the install CD?
[05:21] <LinuxJones> Nonphasis, yeah sorry went afk. I looked @ Boa-Constructor but am looking for something else to play around with.
[05:21] <amiroff> Nonphasis: linux-386, linux-restricted-modules-2.6-386, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-2-386, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386 and linux-restricted-modules-386
[05:21] <projectmayhem> hey, i actually have another question about dual booting :-/ sorry
[05:22] <projectmayhem> can i boot from a USB hard drive?
[05:22] <Nonphasis> amiroff, well, I guess they could go
[05:22] <amiroff> ok :)
[05:22] <Nonphasis> LinuxJones, for gtk?
[05:22] <kbrooks> Nonphasis, !
[05:22] <LinuxJones> Nonphasis, yes
[05:22] <kbrooks> amiroff, CTRL+C NOW
[05:22] <Nonphasis> not sure aboit linux-386 though
[05:22] <LinuxJones> Nonphasis, does Glade do Python ?
[05:22] <Nonphasis> LinuxJones, yes
[05:22] <LinuxJones> Nonphasis, cool
[05:23] <amiroff> kbrooks: too late :) should I get it back ? :)
[05:23] <Nonphasis> isn't the kernel linux-imare?
[05:23] <kbrooks> amiroff, ok ok
[05:23] <kbrooks> amiroff, do u have 2.6?
[05:23] <Nonphasis> linux-image
[05:23] <amiroff> kbrooks: yes
[05:23] <kbrooks> good
[05:23] <amiroff> kbrooks: ubuntu uses 2.6 isnt it?
[05:23] <Nonphasis> linux-image-2.6.10-2-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on 386.
[05:24] <kbrooks> i retract what i said
[05:24] <Nonphasis> that's the module you can't remove
[05:24] <wfx> ogra: thx
[05:24] <amiroff> Nonphasis: so now I have to boot with 2.6.10 and install download drivers right?
[05:24] <wfx> is there a way to add a comment to desktop icons?
[05:24] <Nonphasis> LinuxJones, Eclipse also works great for non-ui parts
[05:24] <Nonphasis> amiroff, yes
[05:25] <Nonphasis> amiroff, be sure to have kernel headers installed
[05:25] <amiroff> ok see you later then :)
[05:26] <maximaus> wfx:  you can right-click/properties and add notes to files and comments to launchers.
[05:26] <wfx> ogra: the ubuntuguid is better as the old bot ;-)
[05:27] <ycco> w00p, setting up the last box in my house with Ubuntu. (My wifes -- it had RH8 on it)
[05:27] <bitfoo> yo :|
[05:28] <bitfoo> i get lower fps in x.org compared to xfree86 :(
[05:28] <wfx> maximaus: i would preffer if it works in the same way as in the menu
[05:28] <bitfoo> for the same driver/game :|
[05:28] <Nonphasis> bitfoo, what game?
[05:28] <bitfoo> ET
[05:28] <Nonphasis> damn
[05:28] <Nonphasis> I also play lots of et
[05:28] <Nonphasis> fps was ok though
[05:28] <bitfoo> i get only 20-30 in xorg whereas i was getting 70-90 in xfree86 :/
[05:28] <ycco> why does Ubuntu install so many flippin' python things?
[05:28] <bitfoo> i think gnome was built with python?
[05:28] <bitfoo> or something importante
[05:29] <Nonphasis> i get almost consistent 76 in xorg
[05:29] <bitfoo> what card do you have :|
[05:29] <Nonphasis> ti4200
[05:29] <bitfoo> see i have r9700
[05:29] <bitfoo> i should get way way way more :|
[05:29] <Nonphasis> ah... ATI ;-)
[05:29] <maximaus> wfx: it does if you put it on the panel, but you're not going to get the same dialoge on the Desktop. Just the way it is. Why do you need comments anyway??
[05:30] <Nonphasis> my FPS gets a nosedive in Radar and railgun though
[05:31] <mikmu> can you install from the livecd?  I say that a livecd for array-3.5 was out, but no install cd
[05:31] <wfx> maximaus: i have 6 drives on desktop and it would be nice to add some comment :)
[05:31] <Nonphasis> mikmu, you can install from Warty CD and upgrade
[05:31] <bitfoo> i dont think so :/
[05:31] <bitfoo> yeah well i was playing radar Nonphasis
[05:32] <Nonphasis> bitfoo, what about normal, non-crappy levels?
[05:32] <bitfoo> i dunno i didnt try :|
[05:33] <Nonphasis> bitfoo, I'm sure ati will fix their drivers for xorg...
[05:33] <Nonphasis> bitfoo, we mostly play Oasis. Goldrush, Supplydepot2 :)
[05:33] <bitfoo> i thought they did already :/
[05:34] <bitfoo> oh wells
[05:34] <bitfoo> at least i got it to work sort of :|
[05:34] <mikmu> Nonphasis: ah, ok thanks
[05:34] <bitfoo> now if i could get full screen to work i would be set :|
[05:34] <maximaus> wfx: I think you might need to edit fstab or something to rename those drives. I understand now.
[05:35] <wfx> maximaus: i know via fstab but it is bit ugly ;-)
[05:36] <maximaus> wfx: I think that's the only way--I was going to rename my camera from sdb1 to something more appropriate like "camera" but it seemed too much of a hassle LOL
[05:38] <k31th> wats linux like and reading and writing ntfs these days ?
[05:38] <zenwhen> reading is perfect, wirting is still worthless.
[05:38] <Nonphasis> k31th, see ubuntuguide.org
[05:38] <k31th> ok
[05:38] <k31th> thanks
[05:38] <zenwhen> If ytou need an FS to share between the two, use FAT32.
[05:38] <zenwhen> you*
[05:39] <zazeem> can anyone help me
[05:39] <zazeem> i got a error installing something
[05:39] <maximaus> k31th: there's a program called "captive" to use native drivers for writing, last time I tried it, XP threw all my CDs and underwear in a cardboard box and left them on my doorstep.
[05:40] <zazeem>  /home/zazeem/.setup21490: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:40] <zazeem>  ./setup.sh: line 278: 21514 Segmentation fault      "$setup" "$@" 2>>$NULL
[05:40] <zazeem> The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1
[05:40] <zazeem> what is x86/glibc-2.1
[05:44] <jbailey> zazeem: Where do you see that?
[05:44] <zazeem> in terminal
[05:44] <jbailey> And this is installing with apt-get ?
[05:44] <zazeem> im tryin to install et
[05:44] <zazeem> what?
[05:45] <Scognito> hi all
[05:45] <Nonphasis> zazeem, warty or hoary?
[05:45] <zazeem> is the file bad?
[05:45] <jbailey> zazeem: What are you installing and how?
[05:45] <Scognito> when some boot-splash feature will be included in hoary?
[05:45] <Hwolf> scognito, That's the question, al-right
[05:46] <Scognito> so the question is "when"? :)
[05:46] <zazeem> im installing enemy territory for linux its a game i downloaded i type sudo sh nameoffile.run in console
[05:46] <zazeem> it worked yesterday but i had a video prob so i reinstalled ubuntu now it wont
[05:46] <Nonphasis> zazeem, for warty or hoary? et installed ok for warty for me
[05:46] <zazeem> warty
[05:46] <Hwolf> scognito, yeah
[05:47] <kent> is there a good program which can print dvd-colers?
[05:47] <Nonphasis> zazeem, you don't need to reinstall et if it's already in the file systemw
[05:48] <zazeem> its not
[05:48] <zazeem> i reinstalled ubuntu
[05:48] <zazeem> and just dloaded et again
[05:48] <zazeem> file bad?
[05:48] <Nonphasis> i wonder why it wants to use gtk
[05:49] <zazeem> gtk?
[05:49] <Nonphasis> yes... the lib it wans complaining about
[05:49] <zazeem> ill send full error
[05:50] <Scognito> some chance to get muine working again on hoary? it depends on the (not more avaiable) libflac4
[05:50] <Scognito> no one seems to have noticed it
[05:57] <_d4vid> ky all
[05:58] <Scognito> hi
[06:02] <delltony> hello, anyone here by chance use paltalk and if so how did you get it to work with linux, i have read the article on frankscorner but it doesn't seem to work even with putting the dlls in the wine configuration
[06:05] <zazeem> wtf
[06:05] <Bockbilbo> hello
[06:07] <yram> Having some problems with setting up sound on this Ubuntu installation.  I think it's an ISA sound card.
[06:08] <yram> The card worked fine under RH8, so I don't see how there should be a problem.
[06:08] <yram> I did a cat /proc/interrupts   Not too sure about setting up sound cards.
[06:10] <Bear_> heya, need help to learn a simple lesson.  I made a folder: sudo mkdir Downloads  /// well i want to make it so anyone can save to it.
[06:10] <Bear_> chmod?
[06:10] <kbrooks> Bear_, 755
[06:10] <yram> Bear_: ummm, where are you putting this dir?
[06:10] <kbrooks> chmod 755 Downloads
[06:11] <yram> Bear_: you can also just have people stick things in /tmp
[06:11] <yram> Bear_: or are you talking about on a web server?
[06:11] <delltony> did you try lspci and get the card name if so you can try and see what the name is like bcm4401 was for my modem i had to look up the module on google and it was b44 so i had to modprobe b44   but with sound and isa you will probably have to know the irq and the io address like modeprobe <themodule> io=0x300 irq=10 or something like that sorry yram wish i could help more
[06:11] <Bear_> yram_: it is just for my downloads
[06:11] <yram> delltony: heh, it's ISA, not pci  (I did do lspci, and went... oh... ooops. it's ISA)
[06:11] <Bear_> thanks guys
[06:11] <delltony> i undestand
[06:11] <delltony> but my isa card showed with a lspci
[06:12] <delltony> thats all i'm saying
[06:12] <yram> delltony: let me read more
[06:12] <yram> delltony: ahhh
[06:12] <yram> odd
[06:12] <Bear_> kbrooks: what does 775 mean?
[06:12] <delltony> well i think lspci shows whts in the slots at least in my case it did
[06:13] <yram> delltony: lspci should show what's in the PCI slots :)
[06:13] <delltony> it showed me i had a 3com isa card in there of 3c509b
[06:13] <delltony> well then i gotta isa network card in a pci slot then haha
[06:13] <delltony> cause thats how i detected it
[06:13] <delltony> and probed it
[06:13] <yram> crazy
[06:14] <yram> welp... it's time for lunch.  I'll deal with this later. :)
[06:14] <yram> tx
[06:14] <delltony> if you can look on the card youc an get the module number
[06:14] <klaym> is there a "gtk theme file" located somewhere?
[06:14] <delltony> model even
[06:14] <delltony> and then try modprobin it
[06:15] <kbrooks> Bear_, oops
[06:16] <kbrooks> i meant 755
[06:16] <kbrooks> 755 means:
[06:16] <BockBilbo> hello
[06:16] <F0CUS> hey
[06:16] <kbrooks> owner: read, write, access (directories: list, create, and.... dunno, i forget the other)
[06:16] <zazeem> can anyone help me with a game / video trouble
[06:16] <BockBilbo> is there a program to synchronize different folders that should have the same stuff?
[06:17] <kbrooks> group: read, write (directories: list, create files)
[06:17] <zazeem> every time i start enemy territory it changes resolution
[06:17] <zazeem> (12:16:30) zazeem: then goes to csole that says workgroup login for 1 sec then nvidia screen then ubuntu login
[06:17] <Nonphasis> BockBilbo, rsync
[06:17] <BockBilbo> i have an mp3 player of 40 GB and i want it to be synchronized with the HD
[06:17] <kbrooks> orger: read, write (directories: list, create files)
[06:17] <kbrooks> other*
[06:17] <BockBilbo> Nonphasis, nsyc works on the shell right?
[06:17] <tritium> BockBilbo, unison
[06:17] <zazeem> very time i start et it changes resolution
[06:17] <zazeem> (12:16:30) zazeem: then goes to csole that says workgroup login for 1 sec then nvidia screen then ubuntu login???
[06:17] <zazeem> help plz :(
[06:17] <Nonphasis> BockBilbo, yes
[06:18] <BockBilbo> tritium, does unison work on the shell or on X?
[06:18] <tritium> BockBilbo, shell
[06:18] <Nonphasis> zazeem, try running et w/ "et 2>a.tmp"
[06:18] <kbrooks> :P
[06:18] <tritium> BockBilbo, "apt-cache show unison"
[06:18] <zazeem> ?
[06:18] <zazeem> what
[06:18] <Nonphasis> zazeem, perhaps it shows the error
[06:18] <Cloudchaser> hey ogra are you here by chance?
[06:18] <zazeem> where it goes to fast
[06:19] <BockBilbo> it looks to be an unison-gtk program
[06:19] <zazeem> instantly goes to a screen that looks like its gunna load et then restarts
[06:19] <BockBilbo> :D
[06:19] <Nonphasis> zazeem, look in a.tmp for error
[06:19] <zazeem> in?
[06:19] <BockBilbo> thanks to both Nonphasis and tritium
[06:19] <BockBilbo> :D
[06:19] <Cloudchaser> does anyone here know about udev?
[06:19] <Nonphasis> et 2> a.txt
[06:19] <zazeem> in csole?
[06:19] <Nonphasis> zazeem, then read text file a.txt
[06:19] <Nonphasis> zazeem, yes
[06:20] <tritium> BockBilbo, what looks to be a unison-gtk program?
[06:20] <Cloudchaser> there's a thread in the mailing list...about syncing a visor. I got my handspring treo to sync finally but somoene posted to make a symbolic link /dev/pilot to /dev/ttyUSB1 and have evolution look at /dev/pilot
[06:20] <zazeem> did it again
[06:21] <BockBilbo> tritium, i meant that there is a gtk program for using unison
[06:21] <zazeem> i typed that and it tried starting et
[06:21] <Nonphasis> zazeem, what's in the file?
[06:21] <tritium> BockBilbo, ok
[06:21] <zazeem> then restarted
[06:21] <Cloudchaser> but i was under the impression that the symbolic link wouldn't be rebuilt because of udev and the fact that the device is only there when syncing
[06:21] <zazeem> what file
[06:21] <Nonphasis> zazeem, a.txt
[06:21] <zazeem> in et folder?
[06:21] <Nonphasis> zazeem, in your home dir if you started et there
[06:21] <zazeem> oi c
[06:22] <zazeem> ok hers wher it crashed and burned
[06:22] <zazeem> ----- R_Init -----
[06:22] <zazeem> ...loading libGL.so.1: Initializing OpenGL display
[06:22] <zazeem> ...setting mode 6: 1024 768
[06:22] <zazeem> Using XFree86-VidModeExtension Version 2.2
[06:22] <zazeem> XF86DGA Mouse (Version 2.0) initialized
[06:22] <zazeem> XFree86-VidModeExtension Activated at 1024x768
[06:22] <zazeem> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[06:22] <zazeem> lol
[06:22] <Nonphasis> hmmm
[06:23] <zazeem> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[06:23] <zazeem> ?
[06:23] <zazeem> wtf is that
[06:23] <Nonphasis> it just means that the x server died
[06:23] <zazeem> damnit
[06:23] <zazeem> :'(
[06:23] <estebandido> mornign
[06:23] <zazeem> should i get the nvidia drivers from their site
[06:23] <zazeem> ?
[06:23] <estebandido> morning, even
[06:23] <zazeem> hi
[06:24] <Nonphasis> perhaps you mdght try different roselutions
[06:24] <Nonphasis> reso rather
[06:24] <zazeem> how
[06:24] <zazeem> desktop res?
[06:24] <Nonphasis> seta r_mode or what was it
[06:24] <linuxboy> I just installed XMMS.... but its distorting my sound, anfone know how?
[06:24] <zazeem> :>
[06:24] <Nonphasis> perhaps en et autoexec.cfg....
[06:24] <zazeem> ja
[06:24] <estebandido> i find i can't use webmin, because it won't accept my password... is this a result of not having a root user?
[06:25] <zazeem> how do i make that in ubuntu theres no notepad
[06:25] <Nonphasis> linuxboy, other players work ok?
[06:25] <Nonphasis> zazeem, gedit
[06:25] <Lathiat> estebandido: possibly -- you can set a root password with sudo passwd root
[06:25] <mindphasr> zazeem: leafpad, gedit, etc
[06:25] <estebandido> cool, thanks
[06:25] <Nonphasis> leafpad?
[06:26] <zazeem> gedit?
[06:26] <mindphasr> Nonphasis: very lightweight gtk text editor
[06:26] <mindphasr>  Leafpad is a GTK+ based simple text editor. The user interface is similar to Notepad. It aims to be lighter than GEdit and KWrite, and to be as useful as them.
[06:26] <linuxboy> Nonphasis: the ubuntu music player works fine
[06:26] <Nonphasis> mindphasr, not apt-able I see
[06:26] <Nonphasis> linuxboy, tried beep-media-player?
[06:26] <zazeem> not seeing gedit
[06:27] <linuxboy> Nonphasis: i want XMMS
[06:27] <Nonphasis> zazeem, run it in console
[06:27] <estebandido> hmmm... not working
[06:27] <zazeem> k
[06:27] <mindphasr> Nonphasis: it is if you add deb http://chinese.alioth.debian.org leafpad/ to your sources.list
[06:27] <Nonphasis> zazeem, applications/accessories meny should have it also
[06:27] <kent> when i try to compile a module for my webcamera, it complains about lack of /lib/modules/2.6.10-2-k7/build.  Should the "build" folder be a symlinc to something? (kernel source?)
[06:28] <Nonphasis> what I would like to have is "kate" written in gtk
[06:28] <Nonphasis> kate rocks
[06:28] <mindphasr> Nonphasis: gedit
[06:28] <estebandido> i'm locked out of my own localhost webserver!
[06:28] <Nonphasis> mindphasr, gedit lacks many things in kate
[06:28] <mindphasr> Nonphasis: Never used kde.. what does it lack?
[06:29] <Nonphasis> mindphasr, try it out and see :). projects for one
[06:29] <Nonphasis> apt-get install kate
[06:29] <Nonphasis> NOW
[06:29] <Nonphasis> ;-)
[06:29] <zazeem> hmm
[06:29] <mindphasr> i dont want all that kde crap on my machine heh.. tell me what it lacks and ill recommend what to use in gtk
[06:29] <zazeem> says dont have permission to write to this folder when i try to drag to etmain
[06:30] <Guardiann> abiword wworks well
[06:30] <zazeem> ?
[06:30] <robertj> mindphasr: Prolog Syntax Highlighting
[06:30] <robertj> ;)
[06:30] <Nonphasis> mindphasr, you can always remove the kde crap - but projects is one, and easy file opener/explorer in an editor tab
[06:31] <Nonphasis> zazeem, you need to get perms to the dir
[06:31] <robertj> why not use anjuta?
[06:31] <mindphasr> Nonphasis: prolog? what the heck is that? gedit itself doesnt really focus on being a developer environment
[06:31] <zazeem> how
[06:32] <Quest-Master> Nonphasis: Use ScITE
[06:32] <Nonphasis> zazeem, hey
[06:32] <zazeem> hi
[06:32] <Nonphasis> zazeem, look in .etwolf
[06:32] <zazeem> ?
[06:32] <Nonphasis> zazeem, that's for your personal et files
[06:32] <mindphasr> I would download kdelibs and all that fun stuff..but that would take ages on this cell phone connection
[06:32] <zazeem> o
[06:33] <Nonphasis> mindphasr, ouch
[06:33] <regebro> So, how the fudge do I get the Rhytmbox to play mp3 files?
[06:33] <Xenguy> s/different/difference
[06:33] <Nonphasis> regebro, ubuntuguide.org
[06:33] <nir> why I get an error here:
[06:33] <nir> $ sudo setleds -D +num < /dev/tty1
[06:33] <nir> bash: /dev/tty1: Permission denied
[06:33] <zazeem> there is no.etwolf folder
[06:34] <Nonphasis> I mostly use jed and gedit
[06:34] <rubenv> regebro: try looking on the wiki
[06:34] <zazeem> theres etmain docs pb
[06:34] <rubenv> it's on the restrictedformats page
[06:34] <regebro> Nonphasis: Sorry, that didn't help.
[06:34] <nir> I can run this only when I'm in tty
[06:34] <Nonphasis> zazeem, in file manager menu: view / show hidden files
[06:36] <zazeem> not there
[06:36] <zazeem> lol
[06:36] <Nonphasis> zazeem, .etwolf/etmain
[06:36] <ufo-> hi, my sound doesn't work after an update to hoary.. alsaconf is not working at all and I can't run the gnome mixer, it says that there are no sound devices..
[06:37] <ufo-> No volume control elements and/or devices found. - to be more exact
[06:37] <Nonphasis> regebro, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:37] <ufo-> can anyone help?
[06:38] <zazeem> cant find etwolf
[06:38] <zazeem> im in et/etmain
[06:38] <regebro> Nonphasis, rubenv, thanks. Trying with the universe repository now.
[06:38] <Nonphasis> zazeem, open home dir, .etwolf / etmain
[06:38] <rubenv> regebro: np, spread the love :)
[06:39] <robertj> does anyone do cvs snapshots of gst-plugins?
[06:39] <Nonphasis> robertj, can't everyone :-D?
[06:39] <zazeem> cannot find it said
[06:40] <robertj> Nonphasis: ?
[06:40] <zazeem> dont think i have
[06:40] <zazeem> :|
[06:40] <Nonphasis> robertj, if it's public cvs...
[06:40] <Nonphasis> zazeem, ls -la ~ | grep .etwolf
[06:41] <zazeem> zazeem@workgroup:~ $ s -la ~ | grep .etwolf
[06:41] <zazeem> bash: s: command not found
[06:41] <zazeem> zazeem@workgroup:~ $
[06:41] <Nonphasis> zazeem, "ls"
[06:42] <zazeem> zazeem@workgroup:~ $ ls -la ~ | grep .etwolf
[06:42] <zazeem> drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root         4096 2005-01-29 12:03 .etwolf
[06:42] <zazeem> zazeem@workgroup:~ $
[06:42] <Nonphasis> zazeem, ouch. you were root
[06:42] <Nonphasis> zazeem, that's your problem
[06:42] <zazeem> what
[06:42] <zazeem> ?
[06:42] <Nonphasis> zazeem, sudo rm -Rf ~/.etwolf
[06:42] <Nonphasis> DONT SCREW THAT UP
[06:43] <Nonphasis> rm -Rf is dangerous
[06:43] <zazeem> lol
[06:43] <zazeem> sudo rm -Rf ~/.etwolf?
[06:43] <Nonphasis> yes
[06:43] <robertj> what really scares me is doing rm -rf /home/*/.somedir
[06:43] <zazeem> whatd that do
[06:43] <mikmu> Any digital photographers here?  I'm thinking of installing Ubuntu and was wondering what's out there for digital image organization software on linux.  I haven't used linux on the desktop since 1998 :)
[06:43] <Poof> are there mirrors for Nvidia drivers? my connection freezes after about 500k
[06:43] <Nonphasis> then rerun et as non-root
[06:43] <zazeem> ?
[06:43] <robertj> I remember once instead of doing kill -1 process I did kill 1 process
[06:43] <robertj> doh
[06:44] <Nonphasis> press alt-f2, "et", enter
[06:44] <will> all my sound is running fast, i dont know what is going on and everyone in the forums just ignores my post
[06:44] <leduc> I have sone questions on the hoary installation
[06:44] <Nonphasis> robertj, heh
[06:44] <leduc> nobody can help me ?
[06:44] <will> how do i sort this out, someone must know
[06:44] <Poof> graphics totaly suck in linux, ATI makes lame drivers, and Nvidia has no download servers... wish there was an alternative.
[06:44] <Ng> Poof: you don't need to download the drivers from nvidia, they are available in ubuntu
[06:45] <Ng> :)
[06:45] <robertj> btw, anyone know whether composite will play nicely on a GF2?
[06:45] <zazeem> that did the same thing
[06:45] <Nonphasis> Poof, what's the prob with nv servers?
[06:45] <will> all my sound is running fast, i dont know what is going on and everyone in the forums just ignores my post
[06:45] <Ng> search the wiki, it's documented in there
[06:45] <zazeem> poof?
[06:45] <Poof> Thanks, u will get them from ubuntu :)
[06:45] <Ng> robertj: it'll be quite slow, although nvidia do offer experimental composite acceleration, read their readme for how to turn it on
[06:45] <Poof> I not u
[06:45] <Ng> Poof: ubuntu has the ati drivers, so finally graphics on linux is getting less sucky :)
[06:45] <zazeem> my xserver dies everytime i try to run et and i have to login and stuff all over
[06:45] <Nonphasis> zazeem, you should be able to write to .etwolf now
[06:45] <Poof> wonder if there are 64bit drivers
[06:45] <robertj> Ng: with it turned on would it be better ;)
[06:46] <zazeem> i cant find it
[06:46] <Ng> robertj: unless it crashes, that would be worse ;)
[06:46] <Nonphasis> zazeem, view/show hidden files
[06:46] <zazeem> o i c
[06:46] <Ng> Poof: yup
[06:46] <zazeem> LOL
[06:46] <will> all my sound is running fast, i dont know what is going on and everyone in the forums just ignores my post
[06:46] <Ng> Poof: I'm using them now :)
[06:46] <Nonphasis> zazeem, it starts with a dot, mind you. ".etwolf"
[06:47] <Quest-Master> http://www.counter-strike.net/downloadcs.html <-- does the Linux port work on Ubuntu without Half-Life installed?
[06:47] <Poof> are 64bit in warty?
[06:47] <robertj> ng: do you know anything about composite on the i845?
[06:47] <Poof> or hoary
[06:47] <Ng> Poof: yes
[06:47] <Ng> Poof: should be in both
[06:47] <Poof> Cool, i cant ever get hoary to work:)
[06:47] <zazeem> seta r_mode "4" unsafe is what is on
[06:47] <zazeem> ?
[06:47] <Ng> Poof: stick with warty, hoary will be out soon anyway ;)
[06:47] <Nonphasis> zazeem, try different modes
[06:48] <zazeem> k
[06:48] <zazeem> why is it say unsafe
[06:48] <Poof> i cant use hoary, incompatible with both of my computers
[06:48] <Nonphasis> zazeem, no idea
[06:48] <zazeem> lol
[06:48] <Poof> buy warty works
[06:48] <Ng> robertj: no, but it will work on anything because it's all done in software unless the driver offers acceleration
[06:48] <Ng> robertj: and afaik not many do
[06:48] <Ng> yet :)
[06:49] <zazeem> XFree86-VidModeExtension Activated at 1024x768
[06:49] <zazeem> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).? same thing
[06:49] <zazeem> poof u know?
[06:50] <zazeem> it stays at 1024 when its set at 800
[06:50] <zazeem> :/
[06:50] <Nonphasis> wait i start et
[06:50] <zazeem> k
[06:51] <nir> I want to compile mod_fastcgi
[06:51] <nir> I see it has a debian/ dir
[06:51] <nir> but not a word on how to build a deb in the docs
 I have no idea, I have had to buy all new hardware to use linux... even still it takes me over 2 days to set it up.
[06:52] <nir> debian has a package in the non-free
[06:52] <will> all my sound is running fast, i dont know what is going on and everyone in the forums just ignores my post
[06:52] <zazeem> set what up
[06:52] <will> does anyone know about the linux / ubuntu sound system?
[06:52] <zazeem> no
[06:52] <will> are there no experts here?
[06:52] <ville_> ...loading libGL.so.1: Initializing OpenGL display
[06:52] <ville_> ...setting mode 8: 1280 1024
[06:52] <ville_> Using XFree86-VidModeExtension Version 2.2
[06:52] <ville_> XF86DGA Mouse (Version 2.0) initialized
[06:52] <ville_> XFree86-VidModeExtension Activated at 1280x1024
[06:52] <ville_> Using 8/8/8 Color bits, 24 depth, 0 stencil display.
[06:53] <ville_> GL_RENDERER: GeForce4 Ti 4200/AGP/SSE/3DNOW!
[06:53] <will> there is 346 people,a nd no one knows about the sound server?
[06:53] <ville_> works ok
[06:53] <zazeem> ?
[06:53] <zazeem> damn
[06:53] <zazeem> lemme try mode 8
[06:53] <ville_> will, people never say "yes" to such queries, just ask the question
[06:53] <darksatanic> will: It's entirely possible.
[06:54] <darksatanic> will: What sounds in particular?
[06:54] <will> all sound (everything) plays over twice the normal speed, for everything
[06:54] <zazeem> kicked again :'(
[06:54] <will> all the time
[06:54] <zazeem> lol
[06:54] <darksatanic> Including things like oggs/mp3s?
[06:54] <will> yes
[06:55] <darksatanic> What sound hardware are you using?
[06:55] <will> everything even startup sounds, videos etc etc
[06:55] <will> built in 815 sound
[06:55] <zazeem> hey ville
[06:55] <zazeem> should i uninstall this packet
[06:55] <zazeem> XFree86-VidModeExtension Activated at 1024x768
[06:55] <zazeem> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)
[06:55] <will> Intel Corp. 82801AA AC'97 Audio
[06:55] <zazeem> xfree-86
[06:55] <zazeem> ?
[06:55] <will> darksatanic: Intel Corp. 82801AA AC'97 Audio
[06:56] <kagou> why "nautilus applications:///Office" don't work under my hoary system ?
[06:56] <darksatanic> All I can say is that you're not alone: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user@gentoo.org/msg14155.html
[06:56] <zazeem> woops closed
[06:56] <darksatanic> I don't recall having heard of such behaviour before.
[06:57] <robertj> do you need to remove the heat sync to replace the cpu fan?
[06:57] <gilles> there's only one cd to install ubuntu, and i can get other softwares and updates via apt-get, tight ?
[06:57] <gilles> s/tight/right/
[06:57] <Guardiann> will you wont like these options  >>>>> http://www.monkey.org/openbsd/archive/misc/0401/msg00587.html
[06:57] <zazeem> nonphasis, should i install drivers from nvidias site
[06:57] <zazeem> ?
[06:58] <jpshark> but does synaptic actually install programs or just download them?
[06:58] <robertj> both
[06:58] <snowblink> gilles: yes
[06:58] <jpshark> OK, i installed 3D chess, how do i get to it?
[06:59] <zazeem> anyone here good with games
[06:59] <zazeem> problems
[06:59] <zazeem> ?
[06:59] <will> grrr this is pissing me off!
[06:59] <zazeem> same
[07:00] <Cloudchaser> hmm just tried the ubuntu live cd
[07:00] <Cloudchaser> no apps would run
[07:01] <gilles> is there a configuration tool i ubuntu that will configure my wifi ?
[07:01] <tritium> Cloudchaser, what architecture?
[07:01] <gilles> i mean very easily
[07:01] <gilles> ?
[07:01] <Cloudchaser> i386 i guess
[07:01] <will> nope, thanks ppl, but it was none of those problems, this is different, this is system wide not just music
[07:02] <darksatanic> will: I'm turning up indications of other people having had this problem with i815 sound,
[07:03] <darksatanic> and it seems to be related to the fact that whatever's driving the sound isn't converting sample rate to the fixed 48KHz the sound chip needs.
[07:03] <darksatanic> However, I can't see a clear statement of what needs to be done to fix it.
[07:03] <Rytmis> Is there a configuration tool in Ubuntu that will allow us to tell the system that a specific network card -is not wifi- :p
[07:03] <will> darksatanic: exactly! i googled for ages and found nothing
[07:04] <will> darksatanic: this is INTERMITANT, in that sometimes, on boot up its all playing correctly!
[07:04] <bitfoo> anyone here use gdesklets :O
[07:05] <darksatanic> will: Try putting the module option "ac97_clock=41194" in at the bottom of /etc/modutils/alsa-base
[07:06] <darksatanic> You'll need to rmmod and insmod the driver to get it to pick up the new settings.
[07:06] <Guardiann> will heres another  http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2004-01/0849.html
[07:07] <will> darksatanic: will try now
[07:07] <Guardiann> hello will
[07:07] <will> Guardiann: hi Guardiann
[07:08] <Guardiann> your problem is related to the clock-timing problem of the AC97-chips.
[07:08] <Guardiann> have you looked at the site i just posted for you
[07:09] <will> Guardiann: will
[07:09] <will>  do
[07:09] <Cloudchaser> has anyone else had a problem with apps not running on the ubuntu live cd?
[07:09] <zazeem> guardian i keep getting a vid error when i start enemy territory
[07:09] <Peter> is there a dpkg command to remove a package?
[07:10] <zazeem> XFree86-VidModeExtension Activated at 1024x768
[07:10] <zazeem> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[07:10] <will> darksatanic how do i do the rmmod and insmod?
[07:10] <zazeem> do u know what that is guardian?
[07:10] <Guardiann> cant help you with that one zazeem
[07:10] <kbrooks> everyone: state your age if its less than 13
[07:10] <darksatanic> rmmod snd-intel8x0
[07:10] <zazeem> :(
[07:10] <zazeem> dark can u?
[07:10] <darksatanic> insmod snd-intel8x0
[07:11] <zazeem> whats that
[07:11] <darksatanic> zazeem: That was talking to will.
[07:11] <will> darksatanic: it says its in use
[07:11] <Guardiann> zazeem try here http://supportforum.sun.com/sunos/index.php?t=msg&goto=5852&rid=0#msg_5852
[07:11] <darksatanic> will: Argh.
[07:11] <bloodwulf1> hey has anyone got 9700 mobility working under ubuntu
[07:12] <Peter> how do you remove installed debian packages?
[07:12] <will> darksatanic: will resatrting x have the same effect?
[07:12] <darksatanic> No.
[07:12] <zazeem> guardian there is no replies to that guys question
[07:12] <marcin_ant> hello - any zope/plone guru available here?
[07:12] <darksatanic> A reboot is the easiest method. :)
[07:12] <usual> Peter, sudo apt-get remove packagename
[07:12] <zazeem> insmod snd-intel8x0 whats that dark?
[07:13] <zazeem> i have an amd
[07:13] <darksatanic> zazeem: I wasn't talking to you -- I was talking to will. :)
[07:13] <will> zazeem: that was for me!
[07:13] <will> brb rebooting. . . .
[07:13] <zazeem> o lol
[07:13] <bloodwulf1> hey has anyone got 9700 mobility working under ubuntu
[07:13] <bloodwulf1> hey has anyone got 9700 mobility working under ubuntu
[07:14] <Guardiann> zazeem oops here is the reply  not sure if it will help tho  Check the permissions in your home directory on all the .* file and all the files under .dt and also verify /dev/null is set to 666.
[07:14] <zazeem> what?
[07:14] <zazeem> how
[07:15] <yram> Ok, back from Lunch.  So, anyone here know how to setup sound that didn't get auto-detected upon installation?
[07:15] <marcin_ant> can anyone tell me what is default login/pass in zope/manage application in ubuntu?
[07:15] <zazeem> guardiann how do i checck permissions
[07:15] <zazeem> and dev null?
[07:17] <zazeem> anyone know
[07:17] <yram> isapnp: Card 'Creative ViBRA16X PnP'   <-- from dmesg
[07:17] <darksatanic> zazeem: When do you get this problem?
[07:17] <ExxonE> Hello, I've got a couple of problems, maybe someone can help me?
[07:17] <yram> isapnp: 1 Plug & Play card detected total
[07:18] <Xenguy> ExxonE: just ask
[07:18] <mindphasr> Anyone know how to hide unused columns in gnumeric?
[07:18] <darksatanic> will: Welcome back. How is it?
[07:18] <will> darksatanic: its working! :)
[07:18] <darksatanic> Huzzah!
[07:18] <will> at a normal speed anyways
[07:19] <will> darksatanic: what was the link for that fix you found?
[07:19] <Hwolf> How do I reinstall /reconfigure grub?
[07:19] <Nonphasis> damn, spdif breaks every now and then in hoary
[07:19] <darksatanic> will: I found it in the Google cache: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:6VZ9Txp0VJMJ:www.ibiblio.org/peanut/Kernel-2.6.6/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt+i815+sound+%22too+fast%22&hl=en&client=firefox
[07:20] <trey3> Hwolf: grup-install /dev/hda to install; update-grub to reconfigure
[07:20] <usual> Hwolf, grub-install
[07:20] <ExxonE> well, first of all my bittorrent doesn't work, and the packet i need can't be found at my sources... :(
[07:21] <ExxonE> Xenguy: got my problem?
[07:21] <Xenguy> ExxonE: no - you haven't specified yet, have you?
[07:21] <darksatanic> will: Although, looking at the URL, it's probably in the kernel sources somewhere.
[07:22] <ExxonE>  well, first of all my bittorrent doesn't work, and the packet i need can't be found at my sources... :(
[07:22] <Xenguy> ExxonE: also, speak to the channel when you first ask a question - then whoever has a clue will answer :-)
[07:22] <darksatanic> ExxonE: My car doesn't work. Can you fix it?
[07:22] <yram> heh
[07:22] <darksatanic> ExxonE: You need to specify much more information -- be precise and concise.
[07:22] <Xenguy> ExxonE: what are you trying to do?  install something?  if yes, what?
[07:23] <will> darksatanic:great well thanks for all the help!
[07:23] <Poof> I am in ubuntu setup at video card prompt... asking me what resolution I want... if i uncheck 640X480 and 1024X768 will X not work with some video games? Ubuntu usualy boots into 1024x764 and then in gnome it pops into 1280x1024... i want to make so it dont do that TIA :)
[07:23] <darksatanic> will: Glad to be able to help. I now know far more about ALSA than I used to. :)
[07:24] <will> darksatanic: its a very good soundserver
[07:24] <bloodwolf> how do i get ATi 9700 Mobility working in Ubuntu thanks
[07:24] <will> jsut need to upgrade my sound card !
[07:24] <trey3> will: cept that its not a server at all, of course  ;)
[07:24] <Amaranth> Poof: In Computer>System Preferences (not at a GNOME desktop right now) you can change the resolution GNOME will run in
[07:25] <ExxonE> Xenguy: say what now?
[07:25] <Poof> if I uncheck the smaller resolutions, will X still be able to pop me into the video mode if the games require it?
[07:25] <bloodwolf> Amaranth can you help me out
[07:25] <ExxonE> I hate my network-cable.. :(
[07:25] <trey3> Poof: yes
[07:25] <bloodwolf> i hate... life..
[07:25] <Poof> Thankyou :)
[07:25] <Amaranth> bloodwolf: Nope, I use a card supported by the open source ati driver.
[07:25] <zazeem> poof
[07:26] <bloodwolf> man i guess i will install windows
 go to walmart and get an Nvidia card... that is what I did, ATI is lame even after you get everything working
[07:26] <bloodwolf> this is ridculous linux has shit support
[07:26] <darksatanic> bloodwolf: And Windows doesn't?
[07:26] <bloodwolf> Poof yah but i have it in my laptop man
[07:26] <bloodwolf> darksatanic no i can install everything i have in windows fine
[07:26] <darksatanic> bloodwolf: Have you looked at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=ATi%20nVidia
[07:26] <Peter> im running a 32bit dchroot in 64bit ubuntu - but the 32bit environment doesnt appear to have xorg installed, how would i install/configure it?
[07:27] <trey3> bloodwolf: ATI drivers are proprietary... thats not Linux's fault.
[07:27] <Nonphasis> bloodwolf, with the attitude, Windows might be right for you...
[07:27] <ExxonE> I have problems installing and using dc++/dcgui and bittorrent... help?
[07:27] <trey3> bloodwolf: if they documented the cards better, the drivers would be far better.
[07:27] <Nonphasis> ExxonE, dcgui or dcgui-qt?
[07:28] <bloodwolf> Nonphasis yah whatever
[07:28] <theine> boodwolf: my ati mobility is working just fine
[07:28] <ExxonE> Nonphasis: i can't find any of above..
[07:28] <darksatanic> Peter: You shouldn't need to install xorg in the chroot -- you can use the X server from the 64-bit side.
[07:28] <bloodwolf> theine cool did you use the flgfx driver
[07:28] <Nonphasis> ExxonE, dcgui-qt works fine in hoary
[07:28] <theine> boodwolf: yes
[07:28] <Nonphasis> ExxonE, it's in universe
[07:28] <bloodwolf> theine what card
[07:28] <Peter> darksatanic: when i type 'X -version' in the chroot, it says command not founbd
[07:28] <Cloudchaser> looks like others have the same issue with apps not running on live cd after configuring network card
[07:28] <Nonphasis> ExxonE, see ubuntuguide.org on how to enable universe
[07:28] <theine> boodwolf: mobility 9600
[07:28] <bloodwolf> ok cool
[07:28] <bloodwolf> thanks
[07:28] <bloodwolf> i'll try it out
[07:29] <Amaranth> bloodwolf: You can't blame Linux for ATI's shitty driver support.
[07:29] <theine> boodwolf: do that
[07:29] <darksatanic> Peter: That's right. What are you trying to do? Get a 32-bit app running in X?
[07:29] <ExxonE> Nonphasis: allright.. :)
[07:29] <Peter> yes darksatanic
[07:29] <Peter> cedegra
[07:29] <Xenguy> Nonphasis: does it work in warty tho?
[07:29] <darksatanic> Peter: OK.
[07:29] <Peter> cedega
[07:29] <Nonphasis> Xenguy, yes, in warty. not in hoary
[07:29] <darksatanic> Peter: Use chroot to get a shell in the 32-bit environment,
[07:29] <Peter> i've done that. i think.
[07:29] <Xenguy> Nonphasis: ahh
[07:29] <darksatanic> Peter: Then "export DISPLAY=:0.0"
[07:30] <darksatanic> Peter: Then run your app from the same shell.
[07:30] <Peter> in the dchroot?
[07:30] <Nonphasis> or perhaps in hoary, gotta d/l the source or sth
[07:30] <darksatanic> Yes, in the dchroot.
[07:30] <darksatanic> You may need to bind-mount your /home into the chroot.
[07:30] <mdz> lifeless: pong
[07:30] <Peter> darksatanic: it still isnt giving hardware acceleration
[07:31] <darksatanic> Peter: Neurgh. Umm. I haven't looked into that yet.
[07:32] <Peter> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:32] <Peter> XFree86? im using xorg...
[07:32] <bloodwolf> theine did you use http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=ATi%20nVidia
[07:32] <Kosai> Is there a live CD changelog available?  Wondering whether to burn the milestone release or the latest daily, for PPC.
[07:33] <darksatanic> Peter: I _think_ the extension has the same name in both, but I could be wrong.
[07:33] <Peter> is there anyway to tell if i have 3d acceleration?
[07:34] <Amaranth> run glxgears
[07:34] <yram> hmmm I do aumix and I'm getting a mixer, so that must mean the card is there right?
[07:34] <Peter> that runs. but how do i know if its running well?
[07:34] <scoon> Kosai, where did you get that ?
[07:34] <Amaranth> Peter: how many fps are you getting from it?
[07:34] <Peter> it doesnt show that
[07:34] <darksatanic> Peter: You can tell if you have hw acceleration from "glxinfo"
[07:34] <yram> I did modprobe snd-sb16  and now dmesg says (last entry): pnp: Device 01:01.00 activated.
[07:35] <auto> it shows the fps in the terminal
[07:35] <darksatanic> Third line down.
[07:35] <auto> not the app itself
[07:35] <yram> yet the gnome volume control won't let me adjust it "louder"
[07:35] <yram> it's almost as if it's muted
[07:35] <tolstoy-> Is networking on ubuntu kind of buggy these days?  If I start a large download with one program, the others (email, irc, IM) tend to think the network is "gone" for brief blips
[07:35] <Peter> any command like that, it runs but gives this error:
[07:35] <Peter> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:35] <tolstoy-> hoary...
[07:35] <Amaranth> yram: so adjust it with aumix
[07:36] <zazeem> can someone plz help me
[07:36] <Amaranth> Peter: What kind of card is it?
[07:36] <yram> Amaranth: I did... (it's me occy btw :)
[07:36] <yram> heh
[07:36] <Peter> Amaranth: ati radeon 9800pro
[07:36] <bloodwolf> has anyone got vmware working under ubuntu vmware 4.5
[07:36] <yram> heh
[07:36] <zazeem> Using XFree86-VidModeExtension Version 2.2
[07:36] <zazeem> XF86DGA Mouse (Version 2.0) initialized
[07:36] <zazeem> XFree86-VidModeExtension Activated at 1024x768
[07:36] <zazeem> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[07:36] <zazeem> ?????????
[07:36] <zazeem> what is that
[07:36] <Cloudchaser> seems theres a known bug with the live cd..after you set your network no apps work and you have to change your hostname to macaroni to get it to work...i think i'll pass on the live cd for now
[07:36] <scoon> Kosai, never mind, i found it
[07:36] <yram> ahhhh
[07:36] <yram> no...
[07:37] <will> whats the command to bring up the gnome control centre?
[07:37] <zazeem> anyone know how to fix that error?
[07:37] <Peter> bah :'(
[07:37] <zazeem> ??????/
[07:37] <zazeem> Using XFree86-VidModeExtension Version 2.2
[07:37] <zazeem> XF86DGA Mouse (Version 2.0) initialized
[07:37] <zazeem> XFree86-VidModeExtension Activated at 1024x768
[07:37] <zazeem> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[07:37] <zazeem> it restarts ubuntu
[07:37] <zazeem> when i open a game
[07:37] <bloodwolf> has anyone got vmware working under ubuntu vmware 4.5
[07:38] <will> zazeem: dont flood here, use www.pastebin.com
[07:38] <zazeem> ?
[07:38] <Rytmis> zazeem: it's a service where you paste stuff and then you paste just the url here
[07:39] <Rytmis> zazeem: saves us from wading through lines and lines of stuff
[07:39] <auto> has anyone been able to compile and use blackbox 0.0.70 rc1 on ubuntu?
[07:39] <zazeem> http://www.pastebin.com/234960
[07:40] <robertj> anyone here who is hardware knowledgable?
[07:40] <robertj> My CPU fan is outrageously noisy, applying a bit of pressure to it helps a lot
[07:40] <darksatanic> robertj: Sounds like it needs replacing.
[07:40] <robertj> the screws holding the fan in don't look to be standard, is it possible its screwed in from the back?
[07:40] <kbrooks> everyone: state your age if its less than 13!
[07:40] <yram> how can I get it to autoload snd-sb16 upon boot?
[07:41] <robertj> ds: does that require the removing of the heatsync?
[07:41] <darksatanic> robertj: Unlikely, I think. It's always possible, though.
[07:41] <darksatanic> It depends on the system.
[07:41] <darksatanic> I've replaced just the fan on some combinations; On others, I've replaced both at the same time.
[07:41] <bloodwolf> kbrooks i am 9
[07:42] <darksatanic> My advice would be: take a screwdriver to the fan screws/bolts, and see if you can remove it.
[07:42] <robertj> its got these two metal latches that go over it
[07:42] <darksatanic> If you can, then see if you can put it back on securely.
[07:42] <kbrooks> bloodwolf, and your year of birth is? also, did you turn 9 last year or this year
[07:42] <bloodwolf> kbrooks why?
[07:42] <darksatanic> If that works, then get a replacement fan and put it on. If not, you're up for another heatsink as well.
[07:42] <bloodwolf> i am not sure why you want details like that
[07:42] <kbrooks> bloodwolf, :P just asking
[07:43] <yram> bloodwolf: I hope you have a an adult with you being on an online chat.
[07:43] <bloodwolf> no i dont
[07:43] <robertj> going down, brb hopefully!
[07:43] <kbrooks> yram, i dont either
[07:43] <Poof> is current kernel 2.6.8.1-3?
[07:43] <bloodwolf> yram i am old enough
[07:43] <will> what is the command to start the gnome control centre?
[07:43] <kbrooks> bloodwolf, me too
[07:43] <Ribs> gnomecc
[07:43] <bloodwolf> me a smarty pants
 GDm i think
[07:44] <yram> bbiab
[07:44] <bloodwolf> kbrooks are you 13
[07:44] <bloodwolf> why are you using linux
[07:44] <ExxonE> When I'm going to download with bittorent i get the following error: "ERROR: Could not load wxPython. In order to use this script, you must have wxPython installed. It is avaiable in the package libwxgtk2.3-python." but i can't find the package, anyone who have a bunch of good sources?
[07:44] <kbrooks> bloodwolf, i am 13 and i use linux because i like it
[07:45] <Poof> do I neel linux headers for Open GL? and compileing games and stuff from source?
[07:45] <popey> ExxonE, use btdownloadcurses instead?
[07:45] <bloodwolf> kbrooks are you a hax0r
[07:45] <Poof> need
[07:45] <kbrooks> bloodwolf, i even use debian too.....dualboot
[07:45] <ExxonE> popeye: and that is?
[07:45] <bloodwolf> kbrooks whats the difference
[07:45] <kbrooks> bloodwolf, i'm a hacker, but the way you are labeling me is false
[07:45] <kbrooks> bloodwolf, a hax0r is a cracker
[07:45] <popey> ExxonE, it's popey, not popeye, it's a curses (text) based bit torrent client
[07:45] <Nonphasis> ExxonE, apt-get install bittornado-gui
[07:46] <will> we have allsorts in here tonight
[07:46] <Nonphasis> ExxonE, it should get all the deps
[07:46] <ExxonE> popey: ok.
[07:46] <bloodwolf> kbrooks ubuntu is a subset of debian
[07:46] <kbrooks> bloodwolf, and i am not a cracker
[07:46] <bloodwolf> isnt it the same thing ?
[07:46] <ExxonE> nonphasis: thx
[07:46] <bloodwolf> kbrooks ok
[07:46] <bloodwolf> kbrooks what grade are you
[07:46] <kbrooks> 8
[07:46] <farruinn> bloodwolf, kbrooks, general chat such as this is probably better suited for #ubuntuforums
[07:46] <farruinn> seeing as how this is a support channel
[07:46] <kbrooks> farruinn, ok
[07:47] <bloodwolf> kbrooks lets talk privately
[07:47] <ExxonE> nonphasis: there is no such package in my sources, you have any good ones?
[07:48] <Nonphasis> ExxonE, you have universe?
[07:48] <_penny> +10 to the person who can make a super noob not feel so stupid!  I'm installing ubuntu for the first time, and I've got questions... can someone help?
[07:48] <darksatanic> _penny: Go ahead.
[07:48] <popey> ExxonE, you should already have btdownloadcurses, it comes with bittorrent
[07:48] <zazeem> http://www.pastebin.com/234960?????????
[07:48] <ExxonE> can't find the information 'bout it..
[07:48] <zazeem> http://www.pastebin.com/234960
[07:48] <zazeem> help me plz!!!!!!!!
[07:48] <_penny> how about a pm?  i'm shy. :)
[07:48] <farruinn> _penny: better to ask here, there may be others that have had similar problems
[07:48] <popey> _penny, awww thats not fair, I'm much better looking than darksatanic ! ask me instead :D
[07:49] <_penny> it's not a problem...  just... grrr
[07:49] <popey> (although I have to admit darksatanic does know more about ubuntu than me)
[07:49] <darksatanic> _penny: Better to do it in here -- then if I don't know, you won't have to repeat yourself.
[07:49] <ExxonE> popey but I am so f**king bad in text-based prgms..
[07:49] <Poof> Did you guys hear what happend when the pope went to mount olive?
[07:49] <Poof> popeye almost killed him
[07:49] <popey> ExxonE, you don't need to be any "good" at anything.. you just run it with one parameter, the torrent file, job done
[07:49] <_penny> ok, but don't laugh ok.   I boot with my cd, and it tells me to use a 32bit distro... but I'm not finding an amd 32bit distro...
[07:50] <popey> _penny, i386 is 32bit
[07:50] <zazeem> pepeye
[07:50] <_penny> ahhhh ok... i thought that was like, intel only...?
[07:50] <darksatanic> _penny: You need the i386 one.
[07:50] <zazeem> http://www.pastebin.com/234969 can u ghelp me can somene
[07:50] <popey> _penny, no, it's compatible
[07:50] <darksatanic> No, i386 is the generic term for all the Intel/AMD/VIA/etc compatible 32-bit chips.
[07:50] <_penny> see, i'm just dumb.  alright. well that answers that. thanks
[07:50] <darksatanic> I can see how the confusion came in, though. :)
[07:50] <popey> noflex, not dumb
[07:51] <popey> pretty sensible question compared to some in here
[07:51] <darksatanic> amd64 is for the new 64-bit CPUs.
[07:51] <zazeem> http://www.pastebin.com/234969          ???????
[07:51] <zazeem> anyone else have that happen?
[07:51] <_penny> alright. makes sense. well, maybe i'll be back later with more "pretty sensible" questions.
[07:51] <ExxonE> popey: also, saving the torrentfile on disk, after that take it from console?
[07:51] <bzbb> how do I run KDE instead of gnome?
[07:51] <popey> ExxonE, no, use nautilus
[07:51] <thully> bzbb - add universe to your sources.list and apt-get install kde
[07:52] <bzbb> I've installed it
[07:52] <dopp0> I'hello everyone. I'm having problems to fix a broken package. I had to replace the dhcp tools installed by ubuntu to another package that has dhcpd. But I had to force to install it, so it's broken. How can I tell ubuntu to accept it and not consider it a broken package?
[07:52] <zazeem> http://www.pastebin.com/234969
[07:52] <zazeem> anyone..:(
[07:52] <popey> zazeem, repeatedly posting probably wont help either
[07:52] <zazeem> o
[07:52] <zazeem> im a nub sorry
[07:52] <thully> in gdm, click on Session and choose KDE
[07:52] <popey> zazeem, have you applied all the patches for ET?
[07:52] <bzbb> thanks
[07:53] <zazeem> thers one patch and yes
[07:53] <zazeem> its something with xservder
[07:53] <dopp0> anyone?
[07:53] <popey> zazeem, do any other 3d games work?
[07:53] <popey> zazeem, does glxgears work?
[07:53] <zazeem> dunno dnt have any installed
[07:54] <popey> zazeem, install a simple one like gltron
[07:54] <zazeem> ?
[07:54] <zazeem> free?
[07:54] <farruinn> dopp0: probably have to use pinning
[07:54] <Peter> 1861 frames in 5.0 seconds = 372.200 FPS
[07:54] <Peter> is that good/bad?
[07:54] <popey> zazeem, of course
[07:54] <zazeem> lol
[07:54] <zazeem> k
[07:54] <ExxonE> popey: 1. fetching the *.torrent 2: open with nautilus choosing to open with what?
[07:54] <darksatanic> Peter: What hardware?
[07:54] <dopp0> farruinn, how can I do that? where can I have docs about it?
[07:54] <Peter> 9800Pro
[07:54] <darksatanic> Peter: CPU?
[07:54] <Peter> amd 64
[07:54] <Peter> 3200
[07:54] <darksatanic> That's software rendering, then.
[07:54] <popey> ExxonE, download torrent, open terminal, cd to directory containing torrent, type bitdownloadcurses <torrentfilename>
[07:54] <ideafix> Monkeys Pay to See Female Monkey Bottoms -> what an insight ! :P
[07:54] <farruinn> dopp0: http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-pin
[07:55] <darksatanic> Peter: What does glxinfo say?
[07:55] <ExxonE> popey: allright! thanx! :D
[07:55] <popey> ExxonE, no problem
[07:55] <ideafix> buuuuu
[07:55] <ideafix> darksatanic: sup m8t
[07:55] <popey> peter 11245 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2249.000 FPS  - thats a crappy $20 card
[07:56] <ideafix> what bogomips do you have ?
[07:56] <zazeem> when u install something like a game patch it says link path what goes there
[07:56] <zazeem> ?
[07:56] <popey> ideafix, how do you tell?
[07:56] <popey> zazeem, what game?
[07:57] <zazeem> enemy territory
[07:57] <popey> zazeem, i dont remember being asked that
[07:57] <ideafix> enemy territory with PB = TROJAN
[07:57] <popey> ideafix, Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 1566.00 BogoMips
[07:57] <farruinn> dopp0: I just found an ubuntu specific howto: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto
[07:58] <bigtony> any idea what could prevent my wireless card from detecting its ip via dhcp? i had it working fine earlier rebooted and now it cna't find an ip for nothing :(
[07:58] <Necrosan_> any of you got a successful working module of spca50x?
[07:58] <popey> bigtony, WEP enabled?
[07:58] <zazeem> whats the cmd for root sod sh?
[07:58] <Necrosan_> mine keeps reporting bad magic because i dont have the gcc that compiled the kernel
[07:58] <bigtony> no i don't have it enabled on the router
[07:58] <popey> zazeem, sudo
[07:58] <bigtony> i turned it off
[07:58] <zazeem> o ok
[07:59] <popey> bigtony, have you set the ESSID correctly?
[07:59] <bigtony> yes
[07:59] <popey> bigtony, is the AP nearby? :D
[07:59] <bigtony> yeah
[07:59] <ExxonE> popey: "bitdownloadcurses" command not fuond.. :(
[07:59] <popey> bigtony, I have to say I've not had a problem, it just worked
[07:59] <popey> ExxonE, :(
[07:59] <Necrosan_> any of you got a successful working module of spca50x? mine keeps reporting bad magic because i dont have the gcc that compiled the kernel
[07:59] <kbrooks> .py
[07:59] <kbrooks> add .py
[08:00] <popey> ExxonE, you spelt it wrong
[08:00] <bigtony> yeah well leave it to me to find the problem
[08:00] <ideafix> popey: what cpu do you have ?
[08:00] <ExxonE> popey: bitdownloadcurses
[08:00] <popey> ideafix, model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+
[08:00] <darksatanic> ExxonE: It's btdownloadcurses, not bitdownloadcurses.
[08:00] <popey> ExxonE, btdownloadcurses, not bit
[08:01] <bigtony> i don't get it it was working before i shut down and restarted :(
[08:01] <ExxonE> popey: ah, my bad my bad
[08:01] <zazeem> hmm
[08:01] <zazeem> wont let me install tron
[08:01] <bigtony> and i'm assuming the card is working cause it says 100 signal
[08:01] <popey> zazeem, "sudo apt-get install gltron" ? that not work?
[08:01] <popey> bigtony, ah, thats good
[08:01] <ExxonE> popey: WEEEI! :D MANY THANXXES!!
[08:01] <zazeem> ?
[08:02] <popey> ExxonE, :D
[08:02] <zazeem> apt get?
[08:02] <bigtony> but dhcp hates me
[08:02] <zazeem> im on the setup page
[08:02] <popey> zazeem, you *are* running ubuntu aren't you?
[08:02] <bigtony> and i don't know why
[08:02] <zazeem> says install path
[08:02] <zazeem> and link path
[08:02] <ideafix> i got an 2600+ and get 3801.00 bogomips :P
[08:02] <Peter> how would i install the fglrx kernel module?
[08:02] <zazeem> at bottom begin install is not lit up
[08:02] <popey> zazeem, what setup page?
[08:02] <zazeem>  tron setup
[08:02] <encKe`> dhcp didnt werk fer me niether
[08:02] <popey> er
[08:02] <ideafix> you have less than half ...
[08:02] <popey> zazeem, did you install gltron? if so how?
[08:02] <encKe`> static is fine with me though :)
[08:03] <popey> ideafix, :D
[08:03] <bigtony> well i tried static
[08:03] <zazeem> im trying
[08:03] <bigtony> let me try again
[08:03] <zazeem> its on setup page
[08:03] <popey> zazeem, how?
[08:03] <bigtony> just make the gateway the 192.168.1.1 right?
[08:03] <darksatanic> ideafix: Bogomips are... bogus.
[08:03] <popey> zazeem, explain what you did to install it?
[08:03] <popey> darksatanic, wpc/j
[08:03] <zazeem> i entered the cmd to open tron setup in terminal it verified started setup
[08:03] <ideafix> they must acount for something ...
[08:03] <zazeem> im on the setup still
[08:03] <darksatanic> ideafix: Depending on the manufacturer and the CPU design, they may be approximately equal to the clock speed,
[08:03] <popey> zazeem, how, exactly
[08:03] <stef_65> Hi, all
[08:03] <Necrosan_> any of you got a successful working module of spca50x? mine keeps reporting bad magic because i dont have the gcc that compiled the kernel
[08:03] <zazeem> what do you mean
[08:03] <darksatanic> or double the clock speed.
[08:04] <popey> zazeem, I mean, what did you click on or type to get to where you are?
[08:04] <zazeem> sh gltron-0.70-linux.sh
[08:04] <zazeem> that
[08:04] <bigtony> every time i hit activate it puts a check in waits a min takes check out
[08:04] <popey> zazeem, you are running ubuntu?
[08:04] <Nonphasis> any good app to tag mp3s?
[08:04] <bigtony> whats up with that
[08:04] <zazeem> yes
[08:04] <Nonphasis> by directory
[08:04] <Peter> would using the ubuntu packet manager install the fglrx kernel module when i install the fglrx drivers?
[08:04] <popey> zazeem, ubuntu has a package management system, use it?
[08:04] <zazeem> what?
[08:04] <popey> zazeem, in a console type "sudo apt-get install gltron"
[08:05] <darksatanic> Peter: Yes, I believe that it should.
[08:05] <popey> zazeem apt-get is the tool you use to install software
[08:05] <bigtony> this sucks
[08:05] <zazeem> Reading Package Lists... Done
[08:05] <zazeem> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[08:05] <zazeem> E: Couldn't find package gltron
[08:05] <zazeem> zazeem@workgroup:~ $
[08:05] <darksatanic> popey: I don't think he's got universe set up.
[08:05] <popey> zazeem, have you updated your sources as per.. http://ubuntuguide.org/
[08:05] <popey> darksatanic, agreed
[08:06] <zazeem> what?
[08:06] <zazeem> sources??
[08:06] <popey> zenrox, do this http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[08:06] <popey> zazeem, I would recommend you read that page
[08:06] <popey> zazeem, I wont answer any more questions till you do :P
[08:06] <zazeem> k
[08:07] <popey> zazeem, sorry if that sounds rude, but some of your questions are pretty fundamental, and are more fully answered by that page than I ever could
[08:07] <marcin_ant> I cannot login to zope manage application - could someone tell me what is default password and login on ubuntu?
[08:07] <farruinn> marcin_ant: you mean root?
[08:07] <zazeem> o
[08:07] <zazeem> k
[08:08] <farruinn> marcin_ant: root password is disabled by default, use sudo or gksudo
[08:08] <marcin_ant> farruinn: no I mean http://localhost:9673/manage application
[08:09] <Necrosan_> any of you got a successful working module of spca50x? mine keeps reporting bad magic because i dont have the gcc that compiled the kernel
[08:09] <marcin_ant> farruinn: it asks for user/pass and I don't want what is default
[08:11] <bitfoo> whats the terminal command :|
[08:11] <Guardiann> the terminal command?
[08:11] <bitfoo> yeah
[08:11] <bitfoo> what launches terminal
[08:12] <rubenv> xterm
[08:12] <bitfoo> i tried term and gterm :|
[08:12] <rubenv> gnome-terminal
[08:12] <Poof> WOOT! it works it works!  I got a 64 bit OS with a working graphics card :D
[08:12] <rubenv> uxterm for utf8 terms
[08:12] <Poof> Thanks everyone :)
[08:12] <Poof> 8)
[08:12] <darksatanic> Poof: I really ahve to get round to that one of these days. :)
[08:13] <Poof> Nvidia is the way to go...
[08:13] <Poof> :)
[08:13] <darksatanic> Sadly, I have an ATi.
[08:13] <ideafix> get a table dancer
[08:13] <ideafix> :-)
[08:13] <Poof> painless install in ubuntu, can do from synaptic
[08:13] <darksatanic> I'm sure it's painless for the ATi one as well, provided you're using the Ubuntu kernel.
[08:13] <Rytmis> marcin_ant: there's supposed to be a zpasswd.py somewhere that lets you specify a new username / pass
[08:13] <Poof> they are cheep at walmart 75$ for 64 meg, and 140$ for 256MB
[08:14] <darksatanic> I'm using a kernel.org one, though, so... :(
[08:14] <darksatanic> Yeah, but the flight over to the USA to go to WalMart is probably a bit expensive. :)
[08:14] <Rytmis> marcin_ant: disclaimer being that I've never used zope, I just googled a bit
[08:14] <marcin_ant> Rytmis: yes it is
[08:15] <Peter> darksatanic: it appears it hasnt. any idea on how to install it?
[08:15] <ideafix> wait till the A380 starts in big
[08:15] <darksatanic> Peter: Not really, no. Sorry. :(
[08:15] <marcin_ant> Rytmis: and I found this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ZopeOnUbuntu/view?searchterm=plone
[08:15] <marcin_ant> Rytmis: but it doesn't work
[08:15] <bitfoo> whats zope
[08:15] <ideafix> mabey it will take you to the us cheap
[08:15] <rubenv> bitfoo: cms system
[08:15] <darksatanic> Peter: See my exchange with Poof a few lines back...
[08:15] <Rytmis> Zope is an app server
[08:15] <rubenv> the one that powers the ubuntu site
[08:16] <rubenv> yeah, app server is a better term
[08:16] <Rytmis> rubenv: Plone is the cms, I think.
[08:16] <ideafix> how do i setup a firewall on ubuntu ?
[08:17] <farruinn> ideafix: apt-get install firestarter, it's a pretty nice gui for that
[08:17] <Rytmis> marcin_ant: what specifically doesn't work?
[08:17] <rubenv> Rytmis: you're right, my bad :)
[08:17] <ideafix> will it work ?
[08:17] <Rytmis> rubenv: No worries there, mate :)
[08:17] <farruinn> it has for me :)
[08:17] <ideafix> isnt it bogos ?
[08:17] <exalted> hi there. newly installed ubuntu hoary. system takes no input from my keyboard. any ideas?
[08:18] <ideafix> i think its bogos and your pulling my leg there ...
[08:18] <marcin_ant> Rytmis: what.. I just cannot login
[08:18] <Rytmis> marcin_ant: yes I gathered that. I'm just trying to figure out what's going wrong :)
[08:18] <crimsun> ideafix: well if you can't trust him enough to run `apt-cache show firestarter', then how can you know it is?
[08:19] <marcin_ant> Rytmis: I can login to localhost:9673
[08:19] <Rytmis> perhaps I'll install zope myself to try it.
[08:19] <crimsun> exalted: what type of keyboard?
[08:19] <marcin_ant> Rytmis: but not to localhost:9673/manage
[08:19] <ideafix> how do i get a usb fresh pluged in device to work with out rebooting ?
[08:19] <marcin_ant> Rytmis: manage requires password
[08:19] <exalted> crimsun, it's an trq (qwerty style) Q keyboard.
[08:19] <crimsun> ideafix: it doesn't work _at all_?
[08:20] <crimsun> ^^ exalted, rather
[08:20] <ideafix> it works after rebooting
[08:20] <marcin_ant> Rytmis: i created inituser file in /usr/lib/zope with test and encrypted password
[08:20] <exalted> crimsun, keyboard func. very well at the boot sequence, when login comes it doesn't func.
[08:20] <ideafix> its a mempen
[08:20] <crimsun> ideafix: what usb device?
[08:20] <marcin_ant> Rytmis: reobooted zope, zopectl and nothing...
[08:20] <ideafix> sticl wahtever
[08:20] <farruinn> exalted: so really it's not working in X?
[08:20] <ideafix> stick
[08:20] <Rytmis> marcin_ant: I can't help you yet, but I'll install zope here and see how it works. Someone else will probably know the answer before me, though.
[08:21] <exalted> farruinn, that's another issue, X doesn't go.
[08:21] <Rytmis> marcin_ant: oh, what version are you running, btw?
[08:21] <marcin_ant> Rytmis: what version of ubuntu do you use?
[08:21] <farruinn> exalted: ooh! you mean the *text* login...
[08:21] <marcin_ant> Rytmis: hehehe version of what ;) ?
[08:21] <spiritz> just wondering, beside licenses isssue, why xorg should be better than xfree?
[08:21] <exalted> farruinn, yeah.
[08:21] <ideafix> is it true that ubuntu dont have a firewall instaled out of the box ?
[08:21] <Rytmis> marcin_ant: no version of Ubuntu, actually. But I'm sure zope will run pretty much the same on Gentoo
[08:22] <marcin_ant> Rytmis: aha I was asking because packages for hoary are broken
[08:22] <Rytmis> ideafix: technically, if you're not running any services that listen to incoming ports, there's little need for a firewall.
[08:22] <Rytmis> marcin_ant: I was curious about your zope version :)
[08:23] <exalted> crimsun, farruinn, any ideas?
[08:23] <spiritz> ideafix: it's half true, iptables is installed by default but not configured to act as a firewall... On another hand, by default hoary has no listening port, so no need for a firewall
[08:23] <Rytmis> marcin_ant: the current version in Gentoo seems to be 2.7.4
[08:23] <ideafix> Rytmis: thats the same has saying that if you have no cold you can walck around naked on the streets
[08:23] <foznot> anyone else have problems with ubuntu and sound?
[08:23] <crimsun> spiritz: extensions development takes place in the X.Org tree, and there's work to modularize the build process (versus XFree86's monolithic cruft)
[08:23] <Rytmis> ideafix: no, it's not.
[08:23] <ideafix> YES IT IS
[08:23] <Rytmis> ideafix: it's like saying, if you're immune to cold, you can do it.
[08:23] <spiritz> crimsun: thanks
[08:23] <marcin_ant> Rytmis: I have zope-2.6.4
[08:24] <Rytmis> ideafix: when there's nothing that can be accessed from the network, there's no real risk in not running a firewall.
[08:24] <crimsun> exalted: would you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log onto http://pastebin.ca ?
[08:24] <Rytmis> ideafix: the way you see it seems to be rooted in the windows world.
[08:24] <spiritz> ideafix: who care if you walk outside on the streets? Ubuntu has no listening port, if there were a firewall, which port should it monitor? :s
[08:25] <marcin_ant> Rytmis: in fact it is crazy - ubuntu website is based on zope and plone - and packages are broken
[08:25] <farruinn> marcin_ant: so perhaps the ubuntu servers aren't using hoary?
[08:25] <stef_65> is there any way to blank a cdrw in ubuntu without installing k3b first (I would hate do download a complete kde just for that...)??
[08:25] <exalted> crimsun, i don't gave any.
[08:26] <rubenv> stef_65: cdrecord blank=fast
[08:26] <crimsun> exalted: ls -l /etc/X11/X
[08:26] <rubenv> man cdrecord for the needed dev parameters etc ;)
[08:26] <bigtony> can i get someone to help me in getting my wireless lan card to work again please?
[08:26] <exalted> crimsun, i'm on windowz, can't use commands
[08:26] <stef_65> I know that mysekf, but my girlfriend needs a GUI for that..
[08:26] <bigtony> i ndiswrappered it and it appears to detect the card and the card and all was working
[08:26] <ideafix> the ports that you open to see web pages for isntace
[08:26] <bigtony> i rebooted and now i can't get an ip for jack :(
[08:26] <crimsun> exalted: it's gonna be difficult to help ya when you're not in Linux ;)
[08:27] <ideafix> the ports that you open to see web pages for ex.
[08:27] <exalted> crimsun, it's gonna be difficult being here without my keyboard =)
[08:27] <farruinn> exalted: does the livecd work for you?
[08:27] <exalted> also without logining...
[08:27] <spiritz> ideafix: there's no weakness in opening a port to receive a webpage.
[08:27] <crimsun> exalted: can't you log in from the console?
[08:27] <exalted> farruinn, no wireless, but warty live cd works.
[08:27] <stef_65> should set up a script with Xdialog, maybe
[08:27] <crimsun> exalted: then you can run irssi
[08:27] <ideafix> it should do packet filtering interactive network connections an discard "bad packages"
[08:28] <exalted> crimsun, which is?
[08:28] <crimsun> exalted: a ncurses-based irc client (text)
[08:28] <HiddenWolf> .
[08:28] <Rytmis> ideafix: why, when there's nothing that can receive those packages, and hence nothing to be afraid of?
[08:28] <spiritz> ideafix: if you ask google for its index page, what would a bad package be like?
[08:28] <exalted> crimsun, i've no possib. to login without keyboard.
[08:28] <Rytmis> spiritz: it would have the evil bit set ;)
[08:29] <x-eric> greetings
[08:29] <spiritz> Then we need a christian firewall !
[08:29] <crimsun> exalted: I thought you said you can log in from the console (text, terminal 1, ctrl+alt+F1)
[08:29] <ideafix> them spoecialy crafted packages to induce buffer over flows and code injection kind of thing
[08:29] <exalted> crimsun, no keyb. at all. when login prompt comes, keyboard dies!
[08:30] <crimsun> ideafix: that's application-level, then. You're no longer speaking of network-level protection.
[08:30] <ideafix> the pakges go thru the network so ...
[08:30] <ideafix> why is it called netfilter ?
[08:30] <ideafix> why is it called netfilter ?
[08:30] <bigtony> :( come on wireless work
[08:30] <crimsun> exalted: so choose rescue mode, log in, mv /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/init.d/_gdm, init 2, then log in and execute irssi
[08:31] <exalted> bigtony, ipw2200?
[08:31] <ideafix> I THINK YOU ALL ARE BOGOS
[08:31] <syn-ack> ideafix, FOAD
[08:31] <bigtony> no i'm using ndiswrapper on bcmwl5a.inf
[08:31] <exalted> crimsun, i'll give it a try
[08:31] <rubenv> bigtony: baaaaad
[08:31] <spiritz> ideafix: firewall filters packets regarding the src, destination, dest port, source port and protocole... it doesn't care about the "content" of the package.
[08:31] <bigtony> bad?
[08:31] <rubenv> i have that same one, replacing it with an ipw as soon as i get it
[08:31] <crimsun> ideafix: you do realize of course that there is layer-7 filtering? a quick search on freshmeat will reveal more information...
[08:31] <rubenv> ndis is... horrible
[08:32] <giard_> anyone know if php5 is making it into hoary?
[08:32] <syn-ack> ideafix, See thats all done on the "transport" layer, can you say that with us?
[08:32] <ideafix> mabey they should look at the contente too and block strange and wierd stuff in the pakage too !
[08:32] <bigtony> well how do you get it to work then?
[08:32] <bigtony> i'm open for ideas
[08:33] <rubenv> bigtony: on warty
[08:33] <bigtony> yeah
[08:33] <rubenv> i could get it to load
[08:33] <rubenv> hoary recently is impossible :)
[08:33] <rubenv> well, you got the .inf file?
[08:33] <bigtony> well ndiswrapper and all made the moduela dn all
[08:33] <bigtony> yeah thats all done
[08:33] <bigtony> it was working
[08:33] <bigtony> was working fine
[08:33] <bigtony> i rebooted and dch can't get a ip
[08:33] <ideafix> what about a firewall that prevents peeps to know if you are online ?
[08:34] <Rytmis> where does he come up with all that?
[08:34] <neighborlee> does anyone have ( or know how to do so ?) mozplugger ( to play .mov files) working in firefox 1.0?..regular mozilla works great but not firefox even thoughI have symlinks in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox and ~/firefox/plugins and even ~/.mozilla/plugins ??LOL
[08:34] <rubenv> bigtony: the module is loaded?
[08:34] <bigtony> yeah
[08:34] <rubenv> the card is powered?
[08:34] <spiritz> ideafix: all firewalls can do that by ignoring ping request and incoming connections instead of accepting/refusing it
[08:34] <rubenv> (I hit the physical switch once, causing it to break for a week ;))
[08:34] <bigtony> hell i guess so its internal minipci
[08:35] <bigtony> ifconfig shows and lsmod shows it
[08:35] <bigtony> but i can't get it to assign a damn ip :(
[08:35] <ideafix> but sence ubuntu dont come out of the box with that preconfigured we just have to pray for the peeps not to notice you ?!
[08:35] <ideafix> BS
[08:35] <rubenv> but it won't come up?
[08:36] <spiritz> ideafix: I don't want ubuntu to act this way by default
[08:36] <crimsun> ideafix: even if you blocked imcp(8)s you'd still be noticed as soon as you sent any packet out. One can't prevent that.
[08:36] <rubenv> that same wlan causes my laptop to freeze when booting on battery
[08:36] <Rytmis> ideafix: you're not listening to us.
[08:37] <spiritz> ideafix: who cares if 'peeps' can notice you? most of computer setup allow you to discover them
[08:37] <ideafix> i dont want to discover them i want then not tpo discover me !!!!
[08:37] <Rytmis> So set up a firewall then
[08:37] <crimsun> ideafix: that's an impossibility unless you NAT or tunnel
[08:38] <spiritz> ideafix: Then turn on your firewall
[08:38] <crimsun> ideafix: an even then an astute practitioner of black arts will notice the headers are different
[08:38] <Rytmis> for some reason this reminds me of the ad that said "your computer is broadcasting an ip address!"
[08:38] <ideafix> dont you need 2 computer to NAT or tunnel ?
[08:39] <rubenv> ideafix: you shouldn't be doing things you shouldn't do anyway
[08:39] <crimsun> ideafix: you need two interfaces, not necessarily two computers.
[08:39] <ideafix> well well 2 wrong thont make a right do they ?!!!!!
[08:40] <crimsun> yeah, this discussion hit a wall a long time ago, unfortunately.
[08:40] <spiritz> ideafix: what's your point here? What do you want?
[08:40] <rubenv> some people seem to be stuck in their useless idea :)
[08:41] <syn-ack> Dammit.
[08:41] <ideafix> i wanna make sure ppl online get they privicy keept
[08:41] <ideafix> thers no freedom with out privacy
[08:42] <rubenv> ideafix: perhaps concentrate on getting people to use gpg
[08:42] <spiritz> thanks for taking care of that, but I don't think you know what you're talking about, neither what you want
[08:42] <rubenv> or imaps
[08:42] <ideafix> rubenv: im not even arguing that with you
[08:42] <andrewski> my CD-ROM and CD-RW are not working (at least for an audio CD); is there any pertinent documentation i need to read as a new user or should they "just work"?
[08:43] <ideafix> you obiosly are trying to trick me there !
[08:43] <ideafix> how is that suposed to by privacy if you dont know the key master  ?!
[08:44] <tezem> My friend has a ADSL USB modem in use but when he reboots the connection don't come up because he wasn't disconnected properly. Who knows where the problem is?
[08:44] <spiritz> ideafix: I just got your ip address, found out that you were from portual, should should disconnect immediately as your privacy is about to be broken!!
[08:44] <ideafix> YES
[08:44] <ideafix> i should
[08:44] <ideafix> but im dumb
[08:45] <Rytmis> Pardon me for pointing out the obvious, but... maybe we should stop feeding the troll.
[08:45] <ideafix> i dont have a nice private proxy like all of you !
[08:45] <andrewski> can anyone help me figure out why my CD drives aren't working?
[08:45] <ideafix> so why are you behind a proxy ? if you got nothing to hide ?
[08:45] <spiritz> ideafix: Oh shit, I don't neither
[08:45] <farruinn> andrewski: what app are you trying to use to listen to the cds?
[08:45] <Rytmis> I have an unproxied DSL, thank you very much. Feel free to hack me to death now.
[08:46] <bitfoo> hey guys, how do i install a metacity theme :|
[08:46] <ideafix> like dont every body got somethings to rightfully hide !
[08:46] <andrewski> farruinn: i tried the cd player that comes with warty and then also xfmedia.  i can't even mount the disc though.
[08:46] <spiritz> ideafix: Will I get busted and executed for being in a linux channel and talking  with you? I understand the need for a firewall
[08:46] <bitfoo> i can only install gtk themes? :|
[08:46] <farruinn> andrewski: that's ok, you don't need to mount an audio cd
[08:46] <andrewski> farruinn: ok.
[08:47] <farruinn> andrewski: perhaps there isn't a wire going from your cdrom to your soundcard?
[08:47] <ideafix> i rest my case !
[08:47] <andrewski> farruinn: well, i'm pretty sure everything's ok inside (i just switched from gentoo where everything was working) so is there anything else i can try before i open my case?
[08:47] <Rytmis> Yes, please, give it a rest.
[08:48] <rubenv> andrewski: are they detected?
[08:48] <Guardiann> :)
[08:48] <penguinitus> his...just installed ubuntu for the first time - and have to say it's everything I have wanted
[08:48] <andrewski> rubenv: how do i tell?
[08:48] <bitfoo> ubuntu uses metacity right?
[08:48] <rubenv> does the device manager show them?
[08:48] <crimsun> bitfoo: gnome does by default, yes.
[08:48] <bitfoo> it wierd that i can only install gtk themes though :|
[08:48] <andrewski> rubenv: in nautilus?
[08:49] <rubenv> andrewski: that's also good
[08:49] <farruinn> rubenv: iirc he said earlier that the problem is only with audio cd's
[08:49] <rubenv> oh, my bad :)
[08:49] <rubenv> is audio unmuted?
[08:49] <andrewski> farruinn: no, just that i haven't tried a data cd at all.
[08:49] <rubenv> (yes, it happens :))
[08:49] <farruinn> ooooh
[08:50] <andrewski> rubenv: yes, i have tchaikovsky blaring. :D
[08:50] <Peter> whats the latest kernel version for amd64?
[08:50] <crimsun> Peter: 2.6.10
[08:50] <farruinn> andrewski: device manager is in the computer>system configuration menu
[08:50] <Peter> how would i upgrade to that?
[08:50] <spiritz> peter : synaptic
[08:50] <andrewski> rubenv: both cd-roms are in "Computer"
[08:50] <bitfoo> are you sure crimsun, because i cant seem to use any mcity themes even though they are in .themes
[08:50] <bitfoo> :|
[08:50] <crimsun> Peter: dist-upgrade to Hoary, or use kernel-package to make your own
[08:50] <Celphi> one question: is there any development programs on ubuntu?
[08:51] <rubenv> andrewski: do data cds work?
[08:51] <Peter> crimsun: im using hoary
[08:51] <nir> I'm trying to build mod_fastcgi for apache2 and it does not find the apache2 headers
[08:51] <andrewski> rubenv: brb, i'll try.
[08:51] <crimsun> bitfoo: I know there existed, at one time, a problem with the theme manager in Hoary. I'm unsure whether it affects Warty, but it's fixed now in Hoary.
[08:51] <rubenv> if they do: check if the cd audio is unmuted
[08:51] <fwiffo> Peter, then you shuld be running 2.6.10
[08:51] <bitfoo> i am using hoary that is for sure :|
[08:51] <Peter> how do i tell what kernel im using?
[08:51] <spiritz> Peter: use synaptic, click on upgrade then it'll select the newest kernel for your architecture
[08:51] <rubenv> uname -a
[08:51] <crimsun> Peter: apt-cache search linux image 2.6.10 amd64
[08:51] <nir> they are in /usr/lib/include/apache2
[08:51] <andrewski> rubenv: no, they won't load.
[08:51] <fwiffo> Peter, uname -r
[08:51] <Peter> 2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic
[08:52] <Peter> ;/
[08:52] <Celphi> eh..
[08:52] <farruinn> Celphi: not by default, I'm looking up a meta package for you...
[08:52] <Celphi> thx
[08:52] <Celphi> are debian packages compatible?
[08:53] <rubenv> Celphi: in a way
[08:53] <rubenv> but discouraged
[08:53] <Celphi> aha
[08:53] <Ctugha> try with care
[08:53] <Celphi> yeah
[08:53] <crimsun> Peter: run apt-cache search linux image 2.6.10
[08:54] <farruinn> Celphi: hm, it actually has fewer dependencies than I though, but build-essential will give you the basics
[08:54] <Celphi> kay
[08:54] <weint> hommmega!
[08:55] <farruinn> Celphi: if you're looking for something graphical there's anjuta, glade, etc
[08:55] <apokryphos> Hi everyone. I know little about Linux, but I'm thinking of installing Ubuntu. What stuff do I need to know before plunging in with the installation?
[08:55] <andrewski> rubenv and farruinn: the data CD is mounted/read, but not the audio.  want the error?
[08:55] <apokryphos> any links?
[08:55] <Peter> crimsun: then what?
[08:55] <kbrooks> hello
[08:55] <Peter> install the correct linux image?
[08:55] <kbrooks> i'm tryintg to compile qemu
[08:55] <cavediver> Hi guys. Any ideas what to use to rip a cd tp a 700MB divx/xvid? I'm using gnome so I'd like to find something graphical.
[08:55] <kbrooks> but
[08:55] <kbrooks> SDL static link   no
[08:55] <cavediver> I mean a DVD.
[08:55] <crimsun> Peter: choose the highest package ... 2.6.10-2- ...
[08:55] <kbrooks> how do i let sdl be statically linked to
[08:56] <hypn0> apokryphos: try the live cd
[08:56] <PhilAway> does anyone know the difference between fat32 and fat32(lba) ??
[08:56] <farruinn> andrewski: you don't mount audio cd's
[08:56] <apokryphos> hypn0: You don't think I should go straight in with the actual distro?
[08:56] <andrewski> farruinn: i know.  i'm just double-clicking in nautilus.
[08:56] <farruinn> ah
[08:56] <rubenv> andrewski: try starting sound-juicer
[08:56] <rubenv> does it read your cd?
[08:57] <andrewski> rubenv: i already uninstalled it; should i try something else or reinstall it?
[08:57] <kbrooks> how do i let sdl be statically linked to
[08:57] <kbrooks> how do i let sdl be statically linked to
[08:57] <kbrooks> how do i let sdl be statically linked to
[08:57] <kbrooks> how do i let sdl be statically linked to
[08:57] <kbrooks> how do i let sdl be statically linked to
[08:57] <crimsun> kbrooks: shush.
[08:57] <kbrooks> sorry
[08:57] <rubenv> kbrooks: very very bad style
[08:57] <kbrooks> but i want qemu to be installed.
[08:57] <rubenv> andrewski: or the gnome cd player
[08:57] <hypn0> apokryphos: u could i guess, but theres a live cd, so why not try that before repartitioning
[08:58] <andrewski> rubenv: also.  brb. :P
[08:58] <apokryphos> hypn0: Alrighty. Will do.
[08:58] <fwiffo> apokryphos, you can go either way - Ubuntu is really very easy
[08:59] <apokryphos> Cool. How is Ubuntu speed-wise? I'm leaving after being some time on Fedora, because I found the speed quite lacking in comparison to some other distros (suse, gentoo)
[08:59] <rubenv> apokryphos: it's all the same
[08:59] <andrewski> rubenv: it's not.  in which package is the gnome cd player?
[08:59] <rubenv> euh
[08:59] <rubenv> good question andrewski
[08:59] <rubenv> andrewski: cd audio
[08:59] <apokryphos> rubenv: No, it's really not.
[09:00] <rubenv> cd audio is afaik on a different channel as pcm & main
[09:00] <fwiffo> apokryphos, I'd say it's quite good
[09:00] <rubenv> (isn't it on an input channel?)
[09:00] <Peter> crimsun: how would i install the kernel source too?
[09:00] <andrewski> rubenv: gnome-media.  i was looking for multimedia. :)
[09:00] <apokryphos> and are most people in here Gnome-users?
[09:00] <crimsun> Peter: linux-source-2.6.10
[09:00] <Peter> apt-get it?
[09:01] <Guardiann> apokryphos ubuntu is the fastest i have used and i have used fedora/mandrake/suse/gentoo/slack
[09:01] <apokryphos> Guardiann: Excellent :)
[09:01] <Guardiann> :)
[09:01] <andrewski> rubenv: right, i just looked in alsamixer and cd is on 71 with no M. ;)
[09:01] <rubenv> good :)
[09:02] <rubenv> if gnome-cd doesn't list tracks, then i'm out of ideas
[09:02] <fwiffo> apokryphos, I would also to some degree agree with rubenv - but the default install is rather small with ubuntu and it defaults to gnome which makes it feel quite fast
[09:02] <andrewski> rubenv: yes, it lists "drive error"
[09:02] <_mUz_> hello
[09:02] <rubenv> fwiffo: i mean, it's all linux
[09:02] <rubenv> but ubuntu is a nice desktop
[09:02] <rubenv> like it more then i did with gentoo
[09:02] <farruinn> andrewski: you've tried with different cds?
[09:03] <andrewski> farruinn: two, yes.
[09:03] <andrewski> (both new :)
[09:03] <fwiffo> rubenv, yeah :)
[09:03] <rubenv> hmmm
[09:03] <rubenv> sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hd?
[09:03] <rubenv> (note: the question mark is needed ;))
[09:03] <andrewski> rubenv: well, why don't i just run it on hdc?
[09:04] <apokryphos> Ok, cool. Thanks for your help everyone. I'll probably be back ;)
[09:04] <Peter> crimsun: so apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 ?
[09:04] <rubenv> andrewski: also good ;)
[09:04] <crimsun> Peter: yes.
[09:04] <andrewski> rubenv: no go.
[09:05] <rubenv> andrewski: no idea then :)
[09:05] <rubenv> sry  :)
[09:05] <andrewski> it's all good; i have my extensive MP3 collection!
[09:05] <bigtony> anyone know why i might be getting this
[09:06] <bigtony> every time i open terminal i get bash JAVA: not found
[09:06] <andrewski> another question: how do i add an init script to my boot?
[09:06] <crimsun> andrewski: man update-rc.d
[09:06] <andrewski> crimsun: thanks.
[09:06] <_mUz_> bigtony: set the path to java
[09:07] <bigtony> so add the path?
[09:08] <_mUz_> where you installed java?
[09:08] <scoon> hey crimsun, i don't know if I told you but I got my sound working again !!
[09:08] <scoon> crimsun, it was a borked asound.state
[09:08] <andrewski> can anyone answer this question: why are the packages in the universe repository not quite current?  can users contribute?
[09:08] <crimsun> scoon: good.
[09:09] <thully> anyone know of a good flash-based music player for linux?  iriver seems too expensive...
[09:09] <bigtony> i just downloaded the thing from synamptic
[09:09] <andrewski> thully: maybe there's one for mpd?
[09:09] <farruinn> andrewski: universe isn't like debian unstable, pretty much everything in warty is frozen from oct 2004
[09:09] <andrewski> farruinn: sorry, i mean hoary universe.
[09:10] <crimsun> andrewski: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NewMaintainerProcessDraft
[09:10] <farruinn> andrewski: and #ubuntu-devel =)
[09:10] <thully> mp3 you mean?  I know of the ipod shuffle and sandisk's player - has gtkpod got the shuffle working yet on Linux
[09:10] <andrewski> thully: mpd, music player daemon.  http://www.musicpd.org :)
[09:11] <_d4vid> ky all
[09:11] <_mUz_> bigtony : you should better download it from java.sun.com, then run that (self extracting file) and move to eg. /opt
[09:12] <_mUz_> bigtony: then add /opt/java/bin to PATH
[09:12] <bigtony> ok
[09:13] <fwiffo> bigtony, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:13] <thully> no - I want a portable music player w/no moving parts
[09:13] <fwiffo> there is a section on java
[09:13] <andrewski> thully: oh... hehe.
[09:13] <thully> w/ at least 1GB of flash memory
[09:13] <andrewski> thully: ah, i see.
[09:14] <piratePenguin> how do I get java apps working in epiphany?
[09:15] <thully> well - everybody here would flame me for using MP3, but I am curious if anyone has the new ipod shuffle working w/gtkpod on Linux
[09:15] <rshd301> If I download KDE in Synaptics, will I be given the choice of WM at login ?
[09:16] <kent> has any one gotten a creative webcam nx to work in ubuntu?
[09:16] <fwiffo> rshd301, yes you should be able to choose it under 'session'
[09:16] <rshd301> STickin' out
[09:17] <andrewski> rshd301: yes.
[09:17] <Peter> crimsun: where is the kernel source located
[09:17] <Peter> +?
[09:18] <farruinn> Peter: you can apt-get install linux-source-*
[09:19] <rshd301> Newbie to Gnome, how do I get the side pane up?
[09:19] <rshd301> In file manager that is
[09:19] <Peter> farruinn: i done apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[09:20] <farruinn> dpkg -L linux-source-2.6.10
[09:20] <farruinn> but I think it's in /usr/src
[09:20] <hypa7ia> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ <-- anyone else notice that hoary-updates is missing?
[09:20] <farruinn> rshd301: there's an option for "always open in explorer view" in preferences
[09:20] <rshd301> Thanks, I'll have a look see.
[09:21] <klaym> is there a kazaa/dc++ -type application in ubuntu repositories?
[09:21] <crimsun> Peter: /usr/src
[09:21] <crimsun> oops, farruinn already covered it.
[09:21] <hypa7ia> klaym: there is a dc++ client... not sure about kazaa
[09:22] <rshd301> farruinn, whereabouts in prefs ?
[09:22] <klaym> hypa7ia: you know how to apt-get it?
[09:22] <Peter> and in crimsun what directory under /usr/src?
[09:22] <crimsun> Peter: not a directory but a tarball. You untar it yourself.
[09:22] <hypa7ia> klaym: in synaptics, do a search for dc++, but search names and descripstions not jsut names :-)
[09:22] <farruinn> rshd301: behaviour tab, check "always open in browser windows"
[09:23] <klaym> hypa7ia: ok. Limewire seems good
[09:23] <hypa7ia> limewire kinda sucks
[09:23] <crimsun> Peter: are you attempting to build an external kernel module? If so, you only need linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[09:23] <hypa7ia> imho, anywat
[09:23] <klaym> fhypa7ia: why?
[09:23] <klaym> * hypa7ia
[09:23] <rshd301> Farruinn, cheers
[09:23] <andrewski> is there a howto for making packages?
[09:24] <hypa7ia> klaym: my experience with it has been that it's pretty sparse content-wise
[09:24] <crimsun> andrewski: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[09:24] <housetier> andrewski, do you have similar symptoms in a gnome-terminal as well?
[09:24] <crimsun> andrewski: did you read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NewMaintainerProcessDraft , too?
[09:24] <klaym> hypa7ia: ok
[09:24] <hypa7ia> anyone have an idea why hoary-updates is missing? --> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[09:24] <hypa7ia> klaym: try emule
[09:24] <andrewski> crimsun: yes, i did.
[09:25] <andrewski> housetier: similar problems, eh?
[09:25] <klaym> ihypa7ia: ok
[09:25] <andrewski> oh... h/o.
[09:25] <crimsun> hypa7ia: ...because Hoary isn't released yet?
[09:25] <klaym> argh
[09:25] <crimsun> hypa7ia: same goes for hoary-security; it's just a link
[09:25] <andrewski> housetier: no.
[09:26] <hypa7ia> crimsun: that would indeed explain it :-)
[09:26] <hypa7ia> i just went into synaptics and enabled all the repos.  doh!
[09:27] <housetier> andrewski, I am still interested in screenshots though :)
[09:27] <Guardiann> hypa7ia you can upgrade to it but its not stable
[09:27] <andrewski> housetier: yeah, i don't have `import` though; imagemagick?
[09:27] <housetier> andrewski, doesn't gnome have a screenshot tool
[09:27] <hypa7ia> Guardiann: no, i installed it off the preview cd
[09:28] <andrewski> housetier: yes.  do i use gnome? ;)
[09:28] <crimsun> andrewski: yes, imagemagick.
[09:28] <Guardiann> so your just looking for the updates then?
[09:28] <mindphasr> gnome-screenshot
[09:28] <Ctugha> has anybody had problems updating to Ubuntu? I lost lots of icons in my desktop :D
[09:28] <MrBIOS-> hi folks, where can I find a warty warthog torrent>?
[09:28] <hypa7ia> Guardiann: no, i just enabled apt sources that just don't exist yet.
[09:29] <rempresent> my computer shuts down randomly at night when i am sleeping and just shuts off...
[09:29] <Ctugha> (and 3D acceleration went of, and Synaptic is trying all the time to erase itself)
[09:29] <crimsun> MrBIOS-: on the download page.
[09:29] <rempresent> is there a log i can check to see if i can remedy the problem
[09:29] <crimsun> Ctugha: _to_ Ubuntu? from what?
[09:29] <andrewski> i really love how programs don't take hours to install!
[09:29] <Ctugha> crimsun, sorry
[09:29] <farruinn> rempresent: syslog
[09:29] <hypa7ia> gentoo has its place... just not on my box :-)
[09:29] <_mUz_> mrbios: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/
[09:29] <Ctugha> I meant to Horty or however its called
[09:30] <Rytmis> I have made a habit of running emerge sync / emerge -uDa world every morning :D
[09:30] <Ctugha> :o
[09:30] <klaym> Horty lol! that would've been a great name
[09:30] <crimsun> Ctugha: I presume you've logged out and back in?
[09:30] <Ctugha> yeah, I did
[09:30] <rempresent> where is the syslog found?
[09:31] <Ctugha> I just reinstalled the X and Gnome and the Kernel, in case it helps
[09:31] <rempresent> or the one that i am looking for, i have a bunch...
[09:31] <Ctugha> but not logged out yet
[09:31] <Ctugha> and is Synaptic going out of Ubuntu for the next release ?
[09:31] <hypa7ia> Ctugha: still here in hoary as far as i can tell
[09:32] <CreeVal> Hope not... I like it...
[09:32] <hypa7ia> :-)
[09:32] <kbrooks> Ctugha, and why are you asking?
[09:32] <Peter> how do you make new ssh user accounts?
[09:32] <CikguXML> Hello
[09:32] <crimsun> Peter: the same way you make normal user accounts :)
[09:32] <Ctugha> I ask it because it tries to suicide when I use the smart upgrade
[09:32] <CreeVal> God day
[09:32] <CikguXML> from my little warty warthog
[09:32] <Peter> oh :>
[09:33] <kbrooks> Ctugha, i have hoary, and it is there still.
[09:34] <syn-ack> hrm
[09:34] <syn-ack> I wonder what other bugs I can find...
[09:36] <Ctugha> kbrooks, ok
[09:36] <hypa7ia>  Return Local0 // one line of code in my bios and i have to patch the kernel >_<
[09:36] <CreeVal> Anyone have any game recommendations for Linux?
[09:37] <farruinn> CreeVal: bzFlag
[09:37] <rempresent> ok, can anyone help me with a syslog file?  pm me if interested
[09:37] <hypa7ia> CreeVal: the list on games knoppix is a good place to start
[09:37] <hypa7ia> http://games-knoppix.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/
[09:37] <CreeVal> thx :)
[09:38] <hypa7ia> no probleeemo
[09:38] <hypa7ia> i love rafkill
[09:38] <hypa7ia> it's in universe
[09:38] <popey> CreeVal, what kinda games do you like?
[09:38] <popey> i love gltron :D
[09:38] <hypa7ia> and of coruse.... frozen-bubble
[09:38] <paper> which is the newest ubuntu version? warty correct?
[09:38] <crimsun> paper: latest stable is warty.
[09:38] <CreeVal> FPS, RPG and Strategy...
[09:38] <mov_ax_bx> popey: try armagetron
[09:38] <hypa7ia> CreeVal: nethack!
[09:38] <popey> mov_ax_bx, i like that too :D
[09:38] <kbrooks> paper, development is hoary
[09:38] <paper> crimsun, is there a "unstabe" version kind of like debian unstabe
[09:39] <syn-ack> paper, There is.
[09:39] <crimsun> paper: hoary. Many of us are running it.
[09:39] <hypa7ia> i am as of this mornign! it rocks.
[09:39] <paper> ahhh i see, and would that just be editing my apt.sources to incluse multiverse?
[09:39] <crimsun> paper: no.
[09:39] <paper> oh
[09:40] <popey> has the metacity issue going warty-->hoary gone away now? is it safe to do the dist-upgrade?
[09:40] <crimsun> paper: it's an entire distro dist-upgrade, like woody->sarge
[09:40] <paper> gotcha
[09:40] <crimsun> popey: which metacity one?
[09:40] <paper> when will hoary come out ot dev?
[09:40] <crimsun> paper: march-april
[09:40] <paper> okay
[09:40] <popey> there was a thing in the topic here recently saying "dont go to hoary today" or something
[09:40] <hypa7ia> 5.04
[09:40] <crimsun> popey: yes, it was fixed that afternoon (within hours)
[09:40] <paper> I am currently running debian sarge and have been hearing a lot about ubuntu
[09:41] <popey> might give hoary a go then, thanks
[09:41] <paper> was wondering what all the "noise" was about =D
[09:41] <piratePenguin> what are MPC files? (I know its music)
[09:41] <popey> paper, my wife is non-techy, she has debian sarge. If ubuntu had been around a year ago, I'd have given her that instead
[09:42] <paper> popey, does ubuntu still allow you to get your hands dirty?
[09:42] <crimsun> piratePenguin: musepac{k}
[09:42] <popey> yeah, of course
[09:42] <paper> just making sure :)
[09:42] <hypa7ia> i've put 5 people on ubu thusfar... but most of them are techie... those who arent love it too tho :-)
[09:42] <Ctugha> yeah, I get dirty all the time even without wanting to :D
[09:42] <paper> tried suse, and nearly died
[09:42] <hypa7ia> ugh suse
[09:42] <hypa7ia> >_<
[09:42] <popey> she's oblivious to me sshing in and apt-get upgrading it whilst she's using it :D
[09:42] <paper> novell ruined them
[09:42] <piratePenguin> crimsun: thanks
[09:42] <CreeVal> Just came from SUSE...
[09:42] <Ctugha> I tried Mandrake and I didnt like it
[09:42] <paper> f*** mandrake
[09:43] <paper> =D
[09:43] <CreeVal> Mandrake sucks...
[09:43] <paper> mandrake reminds me too much of windows
[09:43] <paper> too bloated
[09:43] <paper> and "fluffy"
[09:43] <Ctugha> it was easy, but I felt... strange...
[09:43] <mov_ax_bx> Mandrake Not Linux
[09:43] <Ctugha> not dirty enough, I guess
[09:43] <syn-ack> Mandrake is evil.
[09:43] <crimsun> (on the other hand, Novell is quite committed to bringing major desktop usability, which is a good thing, and they do employ a few major kernel hackers)
[09:43] <Ctugha> woh woh woh
[09:44] <paper> yes they do. I am actually a CNA heh
[09:44] <CreeVal> SUSE has alot of great things, but when i found out how to install my 3D card in Ubuntu the choice was simple...
[09:44] <hypa7ia> i wenr debian sarge (failed) -> gentoo (failed) -> mandrake (failed) -> suse (failed) -> FC2 (2 months) -> Ubu warty (yay!) -> ubu hoary (today!) on my laptop
[09:44] <paper> this box is fedora core2
[09:44] <paper> and i love it
[09:44] <hypa7ia> i didn't mind fc2... but i missed apt
[09:44] <paper> just not for my laptop, i do not like how it handles my powersave
[09:44] <paper> hypa7ia, there is apt port for fc
[09:44] <andrewski> paper: does fc2 have a lot of packages in its own repository?
[09:45] <hypa7ia> i know... lack of packages tho... didnt' like it
[09:45] <paper> andrewski, yes i have comprised my own apt list
[09:45] <paper> hypa7ia, eh i got eveything i ever needed via apt
[09:45] <mov_ax_bx> i'm using slackware on server (great), debian sid at work (nice) and ubuntu on notebook (yeah)
[09:45] <paper> debian is on my laptop right now
[09:45] <syn-ack> hypa7ia, Ive used CorelLinux, redhat from 5.2 to 9, debian, then went to gentoo and back to debian and now Debian and Ubuntu are the only distros I use.
[09:45] <tiago> hi there, anyone knows a doc to configura a x terminal using ubuntu?
[09:45] <andrewski> i'm disappointed by the lack of (current) packages in ubuntu.  again, coming from gentoo....
[09:45] <paper> finally got e17 cvs compiled on it, so im a little reluctant to try something
[09:46] <hypa7ia> anyone have a pentium-m? what do you use for cpu-scaling?
[09:46] <syn-ack> andrewski, Im more current than Gentoo, homie.
[09:46] <andrewski> syn-ack: how do you mean?
[09:46] <whiprush> hypa7ia: it should scale out of the box
[09:46] <farruinn> andrewski: having completely current packages wouldn't work with ubuntu's 6mo release schedule
[09:46] <syn-ack> andrewski, you are running the "stable" branch, Warty, no?
[09:46] <Ctugha> yeah, thats true, Ubuntu runs a lot better in my laptop than Mandrake tried to
[09:46] <Ctugha> (10.1)
[09:46] <andrewski> syn-ack: no, hoary.
[09:47] <paper> the naming scheme has me tickled in ubuntu
[09:47] <paper> who came up with that heh
[09:47] <klaym> what do you people mostly do while running ubuntu?
[09:47] <Ctugha> hypa7ia, I am running right now Ubuntu on a Pentium M
[09:47] <andrewski> farruinn: ah, i see.  is there a separate branch that continues flowing onward, or is always just staying one step ahead of stable?
[09:47] <hypa7ia> reeeally
[09:47] <klaym> besides IRC
[09:47] <syn-ack> klaym, I look for bugs.
[09:47] <klaym> ok
[09:47] <hypa7ia> lol klaym
[09:47] <paper> i game, develop code, write code, etc
[09:47] <farruinn> andrewski: hoary is as close to current as you're gonna get
[09:48] <rshd301> Trying to get my sound working - any ideas ?
[09:48] <Ctugha> hypa7ia, it detected all hardware in a row, right now I am connected through wireless (I did nothing) and power management works
[09:48] <Ctugha> (I am very happy with that)
[09:48] <klaym> paper: c++?
[09:48] <paper> klaym, yes a little c++
[09:48] <paper> learning
[09:48] <digress> is ubuntu able to install debian packages?
[09:48] <hypa7ia> Ctugha: i am too, just power managmenet doesn't seem to work
[09:48] <andrewski> farruinn: ok, because it's still missing some significant upgrades to programs i use frequently (notably xfce) and i don't really like making a huge sources.list file just to have the programs i want.
[09:48] <syn-ack> andrewski, Anyway, newest is not always better.
[09:49] <hypa7ia> gonna have to poke arounf a bit
[09:49] <mov_ax_bx> digress : yes
[09:49] <klaym> paper: do you use a gui on c++?
[09:49] <andrewski> syn-ack: of course not.
[09:49] <paper> no
[09:49] <klaym> ok
[09:49] <farruinn> andrewski: well xfce is in universe, become a MOTU =)
[09:49] <mov_ax_bx> digress: but dont add both ubuntu and debian repos in source.list
[09:49] <Ctugha> hypa7ia, power management works fine with me, didnt work in Mandrake
[09:49] <andrewski> farruinn: MOTU?
[09:49] <occy> crimsun: boo
[09:49] <occy> crimsun: you awake?
[09:49] <crimsun> occy: back in ~10 mins
[09:50] <occy> crimsun: yessir
[09:50] <mov_ax_bx> MOTU = master of the universe
[09:50] <rempresent> i used deborphan and it showed me files that i don't use anymore, how do i remove them
[09:50] <andrewski> lol
[09:50] <farruinn> andrewski: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTU
[09:50] <Ctugha> actually, Ubuntu did a lot better with my Pentium M than XP, 98 (that was fun!) or Mandrake did
[09:50] <mov_ax_bx> or master of the ubuntu :D
[09:50] <digress> mov_ax_bx, thanks a lot
[09:50] <occy> w00p.  I now have 3 boxen with Ubuntu on it.
[09:51] <klaym> does anyone run clearlooks theme engine?
[09:51] <occy> technically 6, but I don't own the other 3.  heh.
[09:51] <farruinn> rempresent: sudo apt-get remove the packages that deborphan returned
[09:51] <occy> klaym: url for screenshot?
[09:51] <rempresent> what if there are like 15 of them
[09:51] <rempresent> is there a way to shortcut that
[09:51] <andrewski> farruinn: ah, this is more what i was looking for in the first place... all that stuff about maintainers and committees scared me and my little time away. :P
[09:51] <syn-ack> Ctugha, I dont powernowd wont work in my laptop. I dont have one of those M proc thingies. I have a striaght 2.4 gig Northwood in mine. ;)
[09:52] <klaym> occy: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=19527&file1=19527-1.png&file2=19527-2.png&file3=&name=Clearlooks
[09:52] <paper> amd 1600 mobile here!
[09:52] <farruinn> andrewski: well you would still become a maintainer of sorts
[09:52] <farruinn> andrewski: talk to ogra or haggai
[09:52] <whiprush> nice theme
[09:52] <andrewski> farruinn: where, here?
[09:52] <farruinn> andrewski: #ubuntu-devel most likely
[09:52] <occy> http://www.macewan.org/   OMG, you can play apple movie trailers in Ubuntu without crossover or something???
[09:52] <andrewski> anyone have this problem with highlighting links in xchat?  ?  http://lila-theme.uni.cc/andrewski/rep/before.png and http://lila-theme.uni.cc/andrewski/rep/after.png
[09:53] <andrewski> farruinn: ok, thanks.
[09:53] <occy> klaym: lemme lookie
[09:53] <klaym> occy: go ahead!!
[09:53] <macewan> occy: it's discussed in detail on the forums
[09:53] <occy> klaym: interesting, not too bad.  I'm using Indubstreal
[09:54] <occy> macewan: eye are not smart.
[09:54] <wfx> why does monodevelop depends on mozilla?
[09:54] <klaym> occy: you have shots of that?
[09:54] <macewan> pft, I not smart at all. just persistant.
[09:55] <occy> klaym: :/  I haven't posted a ss in eons.
[09:55] <macewan> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9850
[09:55] <occy> mines not that interesting.
[09:56] <klaym> ok
[09:56] <occy> macewan: k, let me look.   I'd rather stick with ubuntu stuff than using sources like that guy suggests.
[09:56] <macewan> I compiled from source
[09:56] <whiprush> occy: I just installed mplayer-mozilla
[09:56] <whiprush> works for me on the fantastic4 trailer on apple.com
[09:57] <syn-ack> Other than that link on the Wiki, is there an Ubuntu centric art section. Im looking for some wallpaper.
[09:57] <whiprush> er, mozilla-mplayer actually
[09:58] <wfx> #argh i change preferred application (web browser) to "custom web browser" and it switched back to "select a web browser"
[09:58] <bigtony> anyone here good with configuring wireless cards?
[09:58] <wfx> why?
[09:58] <klaym> http://www.compfused.com/directlink/572/ <- any idea on which plugin I need to be able to play this? FF won't find a good one.
[09:58] <bigtony> i for the life of me can't get mine to connect to my access point and get its ip :(
[09:58] <Hwolf> bigtony, get intel to give out the specs. :-)
[09:58] <mov_ax_bx> bigtony: hats a problem?
[09:59] <macewan> aren't they going to with soma(sp) because of kernel 2.7?
[09:59] <bigtony> well i have a bcm4401 in my system and i did the ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5a.inf and modprobed it and all
[09:59] <bigtony> the card seems to detect and all
[09:59] <bigtony> but i get no internet access at all
[10:00] <bigtony> dhcpdiscover times out
[10:00] <mov_ax_bx> bigtony: is there wlan0 in iwconfig
[10:00] <bigtony> yes
[10:01] <mov_ax_bx> bigtony: iwlist wlan0 scan
[10:01] <wfx> klaym:  is a wmv so you need w32codecs
[10:01] <bigtony> faile dot read scan data operation not supported
[10:02] <bigtony> does it have to be sudo?
[10:02] <bigtony> if so i just tried and it says no scan results
[10:02] <klaym> wfx: ok. I actually have them already. something wrong with ff then.
[10:02] <mov_ax_bx> bigtony: sudo :D
[10:02] <andrewski> what is the difference between debian and ubuntu packages?
[10:03] <wfx> klaym: cant say test it with the xine or mplayer plugin
[10:03] <popey> andrewski, I guess debian ones are dependant on debian ones and ubuntu ones are dependant on ubuntu ones
[10:03] <mov_ax_bx> bogtony: ok, try this iwconfig wlan0 essid NAME_OF_YOUR_AP and then iwlist wlan0 scan
[10:03] <andrewski> popey: well, that was helpful.
[10:03] <popey> andrewski, makes sense though
[10:03] <klaym> wfx: thanks, will try
[10:03] <popey> andrewski, what other difference would you expect there to be? magic pixies in one and not the other?
[10:03] <crimsun> wfx: it requires mozilla-browser due to a dependency on libgecko-cil, which provides a C# interface for GtkMozEmbed.
[10:04] <darkling> andrewski: There will be patches in some Ubuntu packages that haven't made it into Debian yet (and probably some vice versa)
[10:04] <bigtony> no scan result
[10:04] <darkling> andrewski: It's not recommended that you mix Debian and Ubuntu packages,
[10:04] <mov_ax_bx> bigtony: so you don't "see" the ap
[10:04] <wfx> crimsun: thx a lot now i msut find out howto unselect it as default browser
[10:04] <andrewski> popey: different paths in which to install programs, different adherence to FSH, different patches and dependencies... that's a pretty short list.
[10:04] <bigtony> evidently not
[10:04] <bigtony> and i don't see why
[10:05] <andrewski> darkling: i understand not to mix, but i was pointed to a debian page to figure out how to make ubuntu packages... ???
[10:05] <darkling> since there are some packages with the same version that aren't fully compatible between the two.
[10:05] <wfx> klaym: you can also do: wget http://66.98.198.80/29dveupcm/littlealien.wmv ;-)
[10:05] <bigtony> the other laptop running winblows sees it fine
[10:05] <darkling> andrewski: They use the same packaging tools, so the procedure is basically identical
[10:06] <andrewski> darkling: can i expect a package i create using the howto to work in ubuntu?
[10:06] <mov_ax_bx> bigtony: try ndiswrapper -l
[10:06] <darkling> As far as I know, yes.
[10:06] <crimsun> occy: pong
[10:06] <mov_ax_bx> bigtony: is the "hardware prasent"
[10:06] <wfx> klaym: it works with xine
[10:06] <darkling> I'm not a Debian or Ubuntu developer, however.
[10:06] <bigtony> it says it is
[10:06] <klaym> wfx: ok
[10:07] <mov_ax_bx> bigtony: hmm, strange :D
[10:07] <bigtony> bcmwl5a hardware present
[10:07] <bigtony> yeah it was working last night
[10:07] <bigtony> then i restarted the lappy today
[10:07] <bigtony> and no go
[10:07] <andrewski> where do i get microsoft fonts?
[10:08] <bigtony> could it have anything to do with the fact i get bash JAVA: command not found when i open terminal
[10:08] <crimsun> andrewski: enable multiverse and install 'msttcorefonts'
[10:08] <piratePenguin> whats a good musepac{k} player/codec for ubuntu?
[10:08] <andrewski> crimsun: i must not have something right, because i thought i had done that already. :)
[10:08] <crimsun> piratePenguin: I built mppdec myself
[10:09] <piratePenguin> :| cool
[10:09] <crimsun> piratePenguin: it seemed easiest that way
[10:09] <wfx> i cant change the default browser with Preferred Applications?
[10:09] <crimsun> piratePenguin: are you interested in seeing it as a Ubuntu package?
[10:09] <mov_ax_bx> bigtony: try to edit .bashrc and /etc/profile and find is there java
[10:09] <piratePenguin> crimsun: yep... definetly
[10:09] <bigtony> ok
[10:10] <bigtony> ill do that in a sec after i get back online haha
[10:10] <bigtony> this stinks
[10:10] <crimsun> piratePenguin: I will see what can be done. It may not make it into Hoary because of UVF, but Hoary+1 looks promising.
[10:11] <bigtony> wonder why i can't access my accesspoint :(
[10:11] <andrewski> if i remove a repository, how do i make sure all provided packages are removed from my system?
[10:11] <crimsun> occy: please ping me again in 2 hours, I'm out til then. Thanks.
[10:11] <Hwolf> crimsun: will hoary make it on time?
[10:12] <crimsun> Hwolf: it will release as planned.
[10:12] <MSP> heyyy
[10:12] <theine> andrewski: they won't be romeved but will appear in 'local or obsolete' under status in synaptic
[10:12] <MSP> i'm having some trouble with the boot loaders, can someone help?
[10:13] <piratePenguin> crimsun: UVF :| bastards =p
[10:13] <Hwolf> crimsun: do you have any idea about usplash? OOo2?
[10:13] <theine> MSP: what's yur trouble?
[10:13] <MSP> well
[10:14] <MSP> when i install warty w/ grub i get error 21
[10:14] <andrewski> theine: great.  cheers.
[10:14] <MSP> when i reinstall with lilo i get "L 07 07 07..."
[10:14] <rempresent> alright i have a big problem, my shutdown was invoked during the night, and my cron was reporting hourly for some reason?
[10:16] <theine> MSP: hmmm, no idea
[10:16] <MSP> i was told at lfd to download the newest bios, didn't do anything
[10:16] <wfx> how do i unselect mozilla as default browser
[10:17] <rempresent> also i am getting these weird windows popping up that say gecko on them
[10:17] <MSP> anyone?
[10:19] <regebro> So far so good: Ubuntu seems to work fine. But that file manager sure sucks.
[10:19] <regebro> Any recommendations for a explorer-type file manager?
[10:20] <farruinn> regebro: in preferences on the behaviour pane select "allways open in browser mode"
[10:20] <MSP> can anyone help me?
[10:20] <mov_ax_bx> msp: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/271505
[10:21] <neighborlee> anyone know whats going on with packages.debian.org ? ;-)
[10:21] <lifeless> mdz: pong ping
[10:21] <regebro> farruin: Ah.... It's called a "side pane". That was NOT obvious... ;)
[10:21] <MSP> i saw that, no help
[10:22] <MSP> thats for livecd
[10:22] <MSP> i'm using installer
[10:22] <regebro> Thanks!
[10:22] <wfx> MSP: i found a lilo error page : http://www.wlug.org.nz/LiloErrorCodes
[10:22] <MSP> saw that too :-D doesn't say a solution
[10:23] <MSP> how do i control the bios setup parameters?
[10:23] <mov_ax_bx> msp: have you changed anything manualy in /boot/hrub/menu.lst ?
[10:23] <Peter> does the amd64 kernel come configured to run 32bit applications?
[10:23] <wfx> msp mostly by pressing [F2]  or [del]  on boot
[10:24] <bigtony> would there be any reason with ndiswrapper why i can't access my accesspoint?
[10:24] <MSP> nope, haven't done anything manually
[10:24] <MSP> i'm not in linux
[10:24] <MSP> i'm in windows
[10:24] <MSP> brb, trying it
[10:25] <F0CUS> heya
[10:25] <LinuxJones> hi F0CUS
[10:26] <F0CUS> Cant seem to get my laptop's internal SD card reader to work
[10:26] <wfx> ok again: how do i change the default browser?
[10:27] <wfx> without the "Preferred Applications" dialog
[10:28] <mov_ax_bx> wfx as root: rm /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser; ln -s path_to_new_browser /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser
[10:28] <occy> crimsun: sounds good man, no hurry.
[10:29] <foznot> i can not unmute my new ubuntu system, any help?
[10:30] <lemsx1> foznot, did you try running alsamixer from the command line?
[10:30] <syn-ack> I return.
[10:30] <lemsx1> foznot, you might be missing libalsa-esd0
[10:30] <foznot> yeah it tells me no such devise
[10:30] <bigtony> can someone please help me in getting my wirless working please thanks :(
[10:30] <F0CUS> anybody know about how to get the internal SD card reader to work on my Toshiba laptop
[10:30] <wfx> mov_ax_bx: yea now it works thx a lot (strang why it not works with the gnome dialog)
[10:30] <F0CUS> ??
[10:30] <foznot> hey i just got my wireless working today
[10:30] <farruinn> bigtony: have you posted to the forums or mailing list?
[10:31] <lemsx1> foznot, do you have more than one sound card?
[10:31] <Peter> whats the apt-get command to search for a package?
[10:31] <foznot> no
[10:31] <farruinn> Peter: apt-cache search
[10:31] <foznot> not that i am aware of
[10:31] <lemsx1> foznot, like a usb device that also has a microphone?
[10:31] <foznot> nope
[10:31] <lemsx1> foznot, lspci shows your sound card as??
[10:31] <foznot> it acts like there is no sound card at all
[10:32] <lemsx1> foznot, are you using a 2.6.x kernel?
[10:32] <foznot> 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 008a (rev a1)
[10:32] <foznot> \
[10:32] <F0CUS> Peter apt-cache search
[10:32] <foznot> 2.6.8
[10:32] <lemsx1> foznot, nvidia audio device... ummm
[10:33] <lemsx1> foznot, did you try to run alsaconf ?
[10:33] <foznot> it acted like it didn't exist
[10:33] <foznot> let me retry that
[10:33] <ferris> i am trying to boot Ubuntu from the Live cd... but it is I am not able to boot outside of the fail safe mode
[10:33] <lemsx1> foznot, you have to install alsa-utils for that
[10:33] <andrewski> is it normal for librsvg to be noticeably slow?
[10:33] <foznot> command not found
[10:33] <andrewski> in hoary, that is.
[10:33] <foznot> they are
[10:33] <ferris> how can i boot the system to be able to use the USB ports?
[10:33] <foznot> come in the base install
[10:34] <encKe`> anyone have any probs playing .mp3?
[10:34] <lemsx1> foznot, you have to install alsa-utils
[10:34] <encKe`> my sound works but no player will play em
[10:35] <zazeem> whats another version of linux that is easier to use?
[10:35] <encKe`> alsamixer sees my sound device
[10:35] <zazeem> poof told me one i forgot
[10:35] <lemsx1> encKe`, did you read the wiki about formats?
[10:35] <zazeem> it started with a w or p or m cant remember
[10:35] <oneifreak> encKe`, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:35] <encKe`> ill look into it
[10:35] <encKe`> just installed last night
[10:35] <encKe`> thx
[10:36] <adbak> i just installed ubuntu on my parents' computer and it doesn't recognize a sound card, thus no sound.  anyone have any ideas as to how i can get sound?
[10:36] <foznot> adback i am having the same problem
[10:37] <foznot> but on another computer i had zero sound issues
[10:37] <foznot> worked like a charm
[10:37] <adbak> right
[10:37] <encKe`> thx lemsx1, oneifreak i understand now
[10:37] <mov_ax_bx> foznot: try "cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp" as root
[10:37] <adbak> i tried scouring the net for the pkg "sndconfig", but it wouldn't work
[10:37] <mov_ax_bx> foznot: do you hear noise?
[10:37] <foznot> nothing
[10:38] <bigtony> questino is there an easy way to update the kernal on ubuntu to 2.4 ?
[10:38] <syn-ack> adbak, sndconfig is a redhat tool.
[10:38] <mov_ax_bx> what soundcrd do you have?
[10:38] <Guardiann> bigtony what kernel do you have ??
[10:38] <ferris> how can i choose the options to boot when booting off of a disk
[10:38] <bigtony> i ws trying to find otu i think its 2.3 something
[10:39] <bigtony> whats the command i forget :(
[10:39] <Guardiann> 1 sec
[10:39] <F0CUS> anybody know about how to get the internal SD card reader to work on my Toshiba laptop???
[10:39] <lemsx1> brb
[10:39] <foznot> i have some nvidia sound card builtin to a MSI board
[10:39] <Guardiann> uname -a
[10:39] <bigtony> Linux bubbaslinuxbox 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Thu Nov 18 11:47:33 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:39] <bigtony> i guess its up to date then
[10:40] <syn-ack> Linux Laptop 2.6.10-2-686 #1 Thu Jan 27 13:39:43 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:40] <Guardiann> yep hpary has 2.6.10
[10:40] <bigtony> i'm on warty
[10:40] <Guardiann> errr hoary
[10:40] <mov_ax_bx> foznot: paste me "lspci | grep audio"
[10:40] <lemsx1> ati drivers working like a charm for 2.6.10 kernel
[10:40] <lemsx1> mov_ax_bx, he pasted that. he has a nvidia sound card
[10:40] <bigtony> i don't know what gives with this wireless nic
[10:41] <nichead> hi there - does anyone know (or can point me to a list) which packages are included in the hoary weekly-dvds and in daily-cd-builds?
[10:41] <syn-ack> lemsx1, Man, I honestly wish I could use them, but ATI doesnt support my card.
[10:41] <lemsx1> syn-ack, ATI doesn't support your card on Linux?
[10:41] <zazeem> hi
[10:41] <zazeem> how do i exit x server so i can get to the cmd prompt
[10:42] <lemsx1> zazeem, CTRL+ALT+F1
[10:42] <foznot> or kill X by ctrl alt backspace
[10:42] <Peter> ugh
[10:42] <nichead> ok - i'm stupid, i found it and please don't answer to my question.
[10:42] <Peter> give up :|
[10:42] <syn-ack> lemsx1, No, they dont SUPPORT it AT ALL. its a mobile Radeon and they tell me to go to Compaq and Compaq doesnt have linux drivers.
[10:42] <lemsx1> syn-ack, ah, one of those stupid OEM crap
[10:43] <Djassper> hello, someone know where to setup the hard drive shutdown latency for a laptop ?
[10:43] <lemsx1> syn-ack, did you try using fgrlx ?
[10:43] <piratePenguin> Is there a program for running .swf files (properly, Totem doesn't do it properly)? so I dont have to make a webpage to view 'em in Firefox
[10:43] <fowler> Does anyone know how to get a Trashcan and a My Computer icon back in Gnome 2.9 I know there's a trash applet. I don't want it
[10:43] <lemsx1> Djassper, install laptop-mode and run it from the command line (2.6.x kernels only)
[10:43] <jpshark> is there a how-to on installing nVidia drivers that works?
[10:43] <syn-ack> lemsx1, theres no REAL need for it. With the typical X "ati" driver I get avout 150 fps, which is plenty fine for me.
[10:44] <syn-ack> about, too
[10:44] <foznot> jp i got my stuff from ubuntuguide.org
[10:44] <foznot> i think
[10:44] <lemsx1> jpshark, install the nvidia-source and read the README
[10:44] <Djassper> i installed laptop mode, but my hard drive turns off every ten seconds i'd like 30 minutes or so ...
[10:44] <jpshark> i've looked at the unbuntu guide...
[10:44] <lemsx1> syn-ack, yeah, that's what i was getting before i put fglrx. now i get 1600 fps
[10:45] <jpshark> didn't know about the nVidia readme other than what's on their site..
[10:45] <lemsx1> Djassper, you can change the settings for that
[10:45] <jpshark> thanks
[10:45] <syn-ack> lemsx1, hrm
[10:45] <lemsx1> Djassper, echo N > /proc ... forgot the path, but check the Documentation directory for laptop-mode in the linux kernel sources
[10:45] <foznot> jpshark nvidia has an 8.5 M file to dl and a good readme on line
[10:45] <CreeVal> Anyone have any experience with the ICA client for Linux?
[10:46] <lemsx1> Djassper, there is an article for that in Linux Journal. Search the web
[10:46] <fowler> I'm a bit pissed that Ubuntu decided to delete my icons
[10:46] <CreeVal> I cant seem to get it to run... :S
[10:46] <jpshark> yeah, i got the file and have read the readme on their site...no help...
[10:47] <jpshark> btw - how to install nvidia source? seems like anything i install really doesn't get installed...
[10:47] <jpshark> just downloaded...
[10:47] <lemsx1> jpshark, it gets installed in /usr/src/modules
[10:47] <zazeem> that cmd didnt log me out of x server
[10:48] <lemsx1> jpshark, then you have to cd into the directory, install your kernel-headers for the kernel you are running and run debian/rules binary
[10:48] <TheFlow> Mozilla Firefox doesn't seem to be able to connect to any URI... is there any way to set DNS servers?
[10:48] <jpshark> if so, why can't nvidia installer fine the source files..
[10:48] <Peter> where is the grub boot config file?
[10:48] <lemsx1> jpshark, you need the gcc compiler used to compile your kernel of course ;-)
[10:48] <zazeem> i tried installing nvidia drivers from that and it said u apear to be in x server exit it first
[10:48] <jpshark> lemsxl...hold on ...going too fast...
[10:48] <mov_ax_bx> peter /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:48] <lemsx1> TheFlow, install resolvconf
[10:48] <zazeem> ctrl alt f1 didnt cut it
[10:49] <cowbud> zazeem: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[10:49] <foznot> ctrl alt backspace kills X
[10:49] <jpshark> ok, let's talk about the compiler...i installed it but it still fails with CC not found...
[10:49] <cowbud> zazeem: that will kill x so make sure you have logged out
[10:49] <cowbud> foznot: if gdm is running x will restart..
[10:49] <zazeem> ?
[10:49] <lemsx1> jpshark, the nvidia sources from nvidia.com are nto the same (or as well installed) as the debian package for it
[10:49] <cowbud> zazeem: log out then press ctrl-alt-f1 then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop then do your nvidia stuff..
[10:49] <zazeem> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop?
[10:49] <lemsx1> zazeem, once in a terminal, you can run /etc/init.d/gdm stop to stop X
[10:49] <jpshark> lem: yeah, i heard that so I downloaded the deb packages but don't know what to do with them
[10:50] <zazeem> thnx
[10:50] <lemsx1> jpshark, you have to install gcc
[10:50] <jpshark> i have installed gcc...
[10:50] <foznot> anyone else with anymore sound tips
[10:50] <lemsx1> jpshark, install ccache also ;-) it saves you lots of time
[10:50] <jpshark> lem: at least according to synaptic
[10:51] <mdz> lifeless: ?
[10:51] <jpshark> lem: OK, what else
[10:51] <CreeVal> Anyone know the command for removing directories?
[10:52] <cowbud> CreeVal: rmdir or rm -rf dir (be careful with rm -rf it does a recursive remove)
[10:52] <CreeVal> Tried "rm --directory /dir/place/
[10:52] <mov_ax_bx> creeval: rmdir or rm -rf (the second one removes files and dirs recursively)
[10:52] <CreeVal> oki
[10:52] <CreeVal> thx
[10:53] <TheFlow> how do I use resolvconf or is there a file to read about how to use it?
[10:53] <CreeVal> Finally i can do a clean install of that d*** ICA Client...
[10:53] <mov_ax_bx> cowbud :D
[10:54] <lemsx1> TheFlow, you dont' have to do anything. resolvconf does things for you automatically
[10:54] <zazeem> that didnt work
[10:54] <zazeem>  /etc/init.d/gdm stop didnt stop x server
[10:55] <zazeem> stoped gnome
[10:55] <lemsx1> CreeVal, ICA client needs that stupid X library
[10:55] <syn-ack> Filesystem    Type     Size   Used  Avail Use% Mounted on
[10:55] <syn-ack> /dev/hdb  reiserfs     6.5G   925M   5.6G  15% /home/meskes
[10:55] <lemsx1> CreeVal, figured it out already? libXawtv.so.6
[10:55] <syn-ack> Thats what Im talking about! :p
[10:55] <farruinn> zazeem: look in /etc/init.d, there's a script for xserver
[10:55] <lemsx1> CreeVal, after installing that it works
[10:55] <zazeem> zazeem@workgroup:~ $ /etc/init.d
[10:55] <zazeem> bash: /etc/init.d: is a directory
[10:55] <zazeem> zazeem@workgroup:~ $
[10:55] <jpshark> zazeem: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[10:55] <TheFlow> lemsxl, I am trying to get Mozilla Firefox to find any URI like Google.com...  I was told to install resolvconf but that doesn't seem to fix it.. Should I restart my computer?
[10:56] <mov_ax_bx> zazeem: sudo init 3
[10:56] <farruinn> I thought init 2-5 were the same? (or so I've heard)
[10:57] <lemsx1> TheFlow, after you install resolvconf, do cat /etc/resolv.conf
[10:57] <lemsx1> TheFlow, make sure that the right DNS servers are listed there
[10:57] <Peter> does anyone have any experience on how to install the radeon drivers on a 64bit kernel/
[10:57] <TheFlow> Yes, I do
[10:57] <CreeVal> lemsx1: can i get X library from synaptic?
[10:57] <Peter> which radoen drivers are you using?
[10:58] <lemsx1> TheFlow, after that then do ping google.com from the terminal. you should at least see google's ip... if that works. close firefox and reopen it
[10:58] <lemsx1> CreeVal, yep. you can get it from any apt repository
[10:58] <LinkMasterSab> Okay, so I bought myself a controller-based modem
[10:58] <zazeem> it worked!!
[10:58] <zazeem> but failed anyway need some cc thing it says
[10:58] <LinkMasterSab> Someone tell me how to set the thing up :|
[10:58] <CreeVal> lemsx1 dont seem to have it here... S:
[10:58] <CreeVal> :S*
[10:59] <TheFlow> lemsxl, pinging google works (it gives me the right IP).  But I opened and closed Firefox and it still can not find it (Resolving host google.com...)
[10:59] <lemsx1> zazeem, you need the same version of CC that was used to compiled your kernel
[10:59] <zazeem> ?
[10:59] <zazeem> what is cc
[10:59] <lemsx1> zazeem, do IGNORE_CC=1 debian/rules binary
[10:59] <lifeless> mdz: I felt we were talking ineffectively on bugzilla, about CVS, so was going to have a quick interactive talk about it
[10:59] <zazeem> k
[10:59] <lemsx1> zazeem, IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1
[10:59] <lemsx1> zazeem, c compiler ;-)
[10:59] <lifeless> mdz: and figure out what-else info or help I should give on it.
[11:00] <lemsx1> TheFlow, do: pkill firefox
[11:00] <zazeem> thats all?
[11:00] <zazeem> now it shoulofd weork?
[11:00] <zazeem> ill go try :)
[11:00] <zazeem> thnx
[11:00] <TheFlow> lemsxl, thanks so much!  It works now :D
[11:00] <lemsx1> TheFlow, np
[11:01] <zazeem>  sudo invoke-rc./gdm stop was this the cmd to turn x server off?
[11:01] <CikguXML> hello
[11:01] <CikguXML> hola
[11:01] <zazeem> hallo
[11:01] <CikguXML> salut
[11:02] <CikguXML> salam
[11:02] <zazeem> lemsxl
[11:02] <CikguXML> from my little warty warthog
[11:02] <PhilAway> damn Ubuntu.won't boot on my machine
[11:02] <zazeem> sudo invoke-rc./gdm stop was this the cmd to turn x server off?????
[11:02] <farruinn> zazeem: that would just stop gdm, not x necessarily
[11:02] <farruinn> and calm down, sheesh
[11:02] <Spif> I need some help with my wireless connection. I succesfully installed the drivers from http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ and set up the network correctly, but I still won't work. Please help a Linux newbie!
[11:02] <CreeVal> lemsx1: Cant seem to find X Library...
[11:02] <zazeem> ?
[11:02] <zazeem> lol
[11:02] <CikguXML> in mine sometimes gnome doesn't start
[11:02] <lemsx1> zazeem, sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[11:02] <zazeem> how do i shut off x server again
[11:02] <zazeem> ok thnx
[11:02] <jpshark> zazeem: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm...no /
[11:03] <zazeem> k i got thnx :D
[11:03] <farruinn> lemsx1: does that actually stop x or just gdm?
[11:03] <jpshark> it stops both
[11:03] <lemsx1> CreeVal, let me get you the package's name
[11:03] <mov_ax_bx> spif: maybe try to use ndiswrapper
[11:03] <Dreamer3_> does anyone else use xfce 4.2?
[11:04] <mdz> lifeless: it sounds like the problem and solution are fairly clear
[11:04] <website> hi to all
[11:04] <lifeless> mdz: great
[11:04] <CreeVal> lemsx1: ok...
[11:04] <Dreamer3_> i can't get the systemtray plugin to work
[11:04] <Guardiann> hello
[11:04] <mdz> lifeless: but unless you say otherwise, it's a low priority at the moment, because we have worse bugs, and you have a solid workaround
[11:04] <CikguXML> hello Guardiann
[11:04] <lifeless> mdz: low priority
[11:04] <Spif> mov_ax_bx: Shouldn't native drivers work better than emulated ones?
[11:04] <lifeless> mdz: is completely appropriate.
[11:04] <lemsx1> CreeVal, libxaw6 ?
[11:04] <CreeVal> aha... Will search...
[11:05] <Peter> how do you launch the gflrx control panel?
[11:05] <lemsx1> website, hello
[11:05] <website> lemsx1, here?
[11:05] <lemsx1> website, yep. always
[11:05] <SlopPyTACO> Hello all! i just installed the nvidia drivers, and my XMMS got crunched, anyone know the file I need to get to fix Xmms? TIA
[11:05] <website> lemsx1, do you use ubuntu?
[11:05] <mov_ax_bx> spif: i thionk that emulated stable is better than native beta
[11:05] <lemsx1> website, nah. just like to help
[11:06] <website> i've a simple question: why should i choose ubunto instead of debian?
[11:06] <Spif> mov_ax_bx: ok, I'll try that out. Thanks
[11:06] <lemsx1> website, ease of use? ease of install ... if you know your stuff, you should use debian
[11:06] <jdub> website: there are some answers to this on the ubuntu website
 smaller download, friendlier comunity, and all the Pizza you can eat!
[11:06] <mdz> website: that's not a very simple question, in fact :-)
[11:07] <CreeVal> brb
[11:07] <zazeem> any idea why i can install windows xp again? i formatted and installed files then on the first reboot it says os could not be found
[11:07] <zazeem> cant*
[11:07] <zazeem> makes 0 sense
[11:07] <lemsx1> zazeem, you need to setup grub to "see" your windows partition
[11:07] <LinkMasterSab> Hey, yo, I need help with the new controller-based modem I just bought.
[11:07] <zazeem> grub?
[11:07] <lemsx1> zazeem, did you install ubuntu?
[11:07] <zazeem> brb
[11:07] <zazeem> ya before it
[11:08] <zazeem> and erased when formatted
[11:08] <lemsx1> zazeem, ok, so perhaps it miss your windows partition
[11:08] <Guardiann> do you have a floppy in your drive
[11:08] <zazeem> no
[11:08] <LinkMasterSab> Grub isn't on there anymore then
[11:08] <lifeless> mdz: thanks
[11:08] <zazeem> i formatted only had xp cd in went through first setup fine then on reboot where it usually goes to setup on restart said no os found :/
[11:09] <zazeem> only partition too
[11:09] <zazeem> brb gunna try installing nvidia
[11:09] <nightwolf> master boot record is probably still there with grub
[11:09] <zazeem> :(
[11:09] <mov_ax_bx> see you, good night
[11:09] <lemsx1> k. later guys... time to give my fingers a rest ;-)
[11:10] <website> the site says that each relase is supported  for at least 18 months, and after?
[11:10] <occy> hmm
[11:10] <occy> wonder where I could get the original transparent ubuntu background.
[11:10] <occy> jdub: you here?
[11:10] <jdub> website: 18 months
[11:10] <jdub> occy: yes
[11:11] <SlopPyTACO> libmik I found the file :)
[11:11] <occy> jdub: you got that original "clear" or "transparent" Ubuntu bg that came with the distro before the final warty release?
[11:11] <website> jdub, and then? do i reinstall all the distri?
[11:11] <melazyboy2> fglrx question: anyone in here have any idea on why my patched and compiled fglrx drivers are creating for kernel module only and aren't able to run with when put in the device section in xorg, error out with module not found. and no module was exported to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules
[11:11] <jdub> website: upgrade
[11:11] <website> do i have aptitute in ubuntu?
[11:11] <LinkMasterSab> If I can't get modem help, I've wasted a lot of money
[11:11] <zazeem> back :(
[11:11] <jdub> website: of course.
[11:12] <nightwolf> zazeem try xp cd boot, choose the emerg console thing, type in fdisk /mbr then reboot
[11:12] <zazeem> the nvidia setup said it couldnt find or make a kernal, and i installed dcc but said you may need the right source
[11:12] <zazeem> ?
[11:12] <zazeem> emerg console?
[11:12] <Peter> anyone know a decent cd writing application?
[11:12] <nightwolf> R option i think, recovery console
[11:12] <jdub> Peter: nautilus itself does great data burning
[11:13] <nightwolf> it should rewrite the boot record.   xp is the only thing on that hdd? no linux to fsck up right?
[11:13] <Peter> it isnt recognizing my blank cdr
[11:13] <Peter> it just asks to insert a blank disk, when it has one.
[11:13] <zazeem> whatwas that
[11:13] <zazeem> gcc i meant
[11:14] <Dreamer3_> will ubuntu run well on a celeron with 64mb?
[11:14] <Peter> jdub: know of any others?
[11:14] <jdub> zazeem: use the nvidia drivers shipped with ubuntu
[11:14] <zazeem> i installed all gcc packages from synaptic and tried the nvidia installation and it said i needed sources
[11:14] <jdub> Dreamer3_: the full desktop won't run nicely in 64MB at all
[11:14] <zazeem> they dont work right with me games crash
[11:14] <jdub> occy: people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/misc/ubuntu-watermark.png
[11:14] <zazeem> i get some 0:0 broken line error x server crash or something like that
[11:15] <rempresent> i just installed dvdshrink using wine, how do i just run dvd shrink now
[11:15] <occy> jdub: you are a saint
[11:15] <zazeem> wine is the emulator
[11:15] <zazeem> u cant run it without using wine
[11:15] <zazeem> occy
[11:15] <rempresent> but where did it install, if it did at all
[11:15] <zazeem> emulator dunno
[11:16] <zazeem> think its a one time thing
[11:16] <occy> zazeem: heh, whatcha need?
[11:16] <rempresent> ok
[11:16] <occy> jdub: tx again bubba
[11:16] <occy> ;)
[11:16] <zazeem> i need help man i installed gcc all gcc kernal things in synaptic and now i log out of x go to install nvidia drivers and it says need cc source or something
[11:16] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  I'm trying to set up a netgear wg511 v2 with ndiswrapper but when I modprobe ndiswrapper, I get: FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[11:16] <ficusplanet> Any ideas?
[11:17] <ficusplanet> zazeem, Why aren't you just using the ubuntu packages of the nvidia drivers?
[11:17] <Peter> where is the xorg config file?
[11:17] <jdub> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:17] <ficusplanet> Peter, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:18] <CreeVal> lemsx1: it works...
[11:18] <CreeVal> thx :D
[11:18] <lemsx1> CreeVal, nice!
[11:18] <zazeem> because when i try 3d or opengl games it resets ubuntu i see it start like screen res changes then i c a black console screen for 2 sec then nvidia splash then i have to log into ubuntu again it doesnt work
[11:18] <zazeem> dunno why
[11:18] <ficusplanet> zazeem, What are you trying to play?
[11:18] <kbrooks> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libwxgtk2.4-python_2.4.2.6ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[11:18] <kbrooks>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/helpviewer', which is also in package wxpython2.5.3
[11:18] <zazeem> enemy territory
[11:19] <LinuxJones> zazeem, sounds like your monitor refresh settings are too high
[11:19] <kbrooks> how do i fix that
[11:19] <GranMaestro> does anybody know the status of the ppc live-cd?
[11:19] <zazeem> its at 75
[11:19] <zazeem> thats too high?
[11:19] <CreeVal> lemsx1: Needed that d*** client to, we use it at school all the time, personally i hate it :p
[11:19] <snowblink> ficusplanet: sudo
[11:19] <dread65> hey i just installed ubuntu how do i access root??
[11:20] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, the DRI section in your xorg conf file is ok? 0666 permission?
[11:20] <ficusplanet> snowblink, I did use sudo
[11:20] <zazeem> sudo for root
[11:20] <dread65> yea but whats my pass
[11:20] <GranMaestro> there should be a ppc live-cd in advanced development stage: any links to it?
[11:20] <dread65> i didnt set it anyhwere
[11:20] <dread65> the install didnt ask me
[11:20] <CreeVal> try running it as root
[11:20] <dread65> what
[11:21] <LinuxJones> zazeem, what resolution are you running @
[11:21] <melazyboy2> lemsx1: Yes it is, im having so many problems with these ati drivers, i even tried removing DRI alltogether because i read on a board that DRI doesn't support the 9800
[11:21] <zazeem> 1024
[11:21] <ficusplanet> When I run ndiswrapper -l, it says the driver for my hardware is loaded and everything.  It just won't let me insert the module.
[11:21] <zazeem> and refresh at 75 i believe
[11:21] <dread65> the install didnt ask me to set a root password? is there a default one
[11:21] <melazyboy2> lemsx1: I can modprobe fglrx, but when put into the device section gdm will error out failing to load it
[11:21] <jdub> dread65: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[11:21] <zazeem> no 70 hz 1024 res
[11:21] <jdub> dread65: the root account is disabled, see above
[11:21] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, what driver you have in xorg.conf ? ati ?
[11:21] <melazyboy2> lemsx1: When i make install the fglrx_drv.o doesn't even get exported to the X11R6 modules dir, but when i export it myself it yeilds a huge list of errors
[11:22] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, what's the error in dmesg output?
[11:22] <melazyboy2> lemsx1: Yes 'ati' or 'radeon' both will work
[11:22] <zazeem> linuxjones any ideas?
[11:22] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, ok. i have ati here and fglrx (latest from ati.com) patched to support 2.6.10 kernel
[11:22] <kbrooks> i have a question
[11:22] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, lsmod shows fglrx loaded?
[11:23] <Peter> how do i tell what video driver i am using?
[11:23] <dread65> jdub,  but i cant even set it following those instructions
[11:23] <bigtony> ok i have another question i put bittornado in my ~/bin folder and made a symbolic link to the files it needs one i called bt-dl and the other i called bt-mk  in any case in the shell i can type bt-dl in any folder and it works
[11:23] <LinuxJones> zazeem, you running Warty or Hoary ?
[11:23] <zazeem> how do i tell if i got hardware accel ??
[11:23] <bigtony> but when i do a which it doesn't show the path
[11:23] <zazeem> warty
[11:23] <melazyboy2> lemsx1: dmesg doesn't error when i modprobe it loads it fine, i get a warning i would ugess saying that "Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers: 431 MBytes" and then confirmation line "[flgrx]  module loaded - fglrx 8.8.25 [Jan 14 2005]  on minor 0"
[11:23] <bigtony> any idea why that is
[11:23] <lemsx1> Peter, cat /var/log/XFree86.log (or xorg.log) | grep -i driver
[11:23] <zazeem> not hoary
[11:23] <jdub> dread65: sure you can :)
[11:23] <LinuxJones> zazeem, in console type glxgears
[11:23] <melazyboy2> lemsx1: Yes lsmod shows fglrx loaded, just x can't utilize it
[11:23] <dread65> jdub,  its ays sorry try again
[11:24] <bigtony> and i'm assuming since which bt-dl doens' twork i can't load it with the gnome launcher
[11:24] <rempresent> how do i network between another running windows machine and my ubuntu machine using smb
[11:24] <jdub> dread65: follow the directions, and enter *your* password first
[11:24] <zazeem> dont have any drivers installed but ill try it
[11:24] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, that's a problem with intel-agp, are you using intel-agp ?
[11:24] <zazeem> 1076 frames in 5.0 seconds = 215.200 FPS
[11:24] <zazeem> 1017 frames in 5.0 seconds = 203.400 FPS
[11:24] <zazeem> 1243 frames in 5.0 seconds = 248.600 FPS
[11:24] <zazeem> 1356 frames in 5.0 seconds = 271.200 FPS
[11:24] <zazeem> 1356 frames in 5.0 seconds = 271.200 FPS
[11:24] <jdub> dread65: why do you want to set the root password anyway?
[11:24] <zazeem> lol
[11:24] <bigtony> hey rempresent
[11:24] <jdub> dread65: better off just using sudo
[11:24] <zazeem> dont have nvidia drivers installed
[11:24] <LinuxJones> zazeem, it's working but not very well
[11:24] <dread65> jdub,  to isntall stuff
[11:24] <melazyboy2> lemsx1: Yes my kernel is custom compile as well, but i downloaded the ATI drivers from ati's site today, patched them with 2.6.10 patch, built and installed, i just can't get x to run with them, i can load them fine myself
[11:24] <rempresent> yes bigt
[11:24] <jdub> dread65: use sudo
[11:24] <bigtony> was just saying hi
[11:24] <bigtony> pm me and i will help
[11:25] <rempresent> hello
[11:25] <jdub> dread65: read that whole page :)
[11:25] <rempresent> got ya
[11:25] <SlopPyTACO> wow! do reserf partitions normaly just stop booting for some reason? i just re-installed ubuntu and my home folder is still here! 8)
[11:25] <Peter>         Driver          "fglrx"
[11:25] <bigtony> you have to setup your samba.conf file
[11:25] <zazeem> linuxjones, i know i dont have any drivers installed i needed help installing the ones from nvidia
[11:25] <Peter> is that the 3d accelerated driver?
[11:25] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, see the changelog for 2.6.11-rc2 online. you will find your answer there about intel-agp... wait for 2.6.11 to come otu
[11:25] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, s/otu/out/
[11:25] <SlopPyTACO> should I back up and reformat reser to ext3 partition?
[11:25] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, or patch your kernel to 2.6.11 :-)
[11:25] <zazeem> heres the error i get when i run games X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[11:25] <zazeem> lol
[11:25] <jdub> SlopPyTACO: we recommend ext3 over reiser, yes.
[11:26] <melazyboy2> lemsx1: I currently have tried the option in my xorg.conf 'UseInternalAGPART' 'no' -- i tried it because it failed withtout it and it was suggested
[11:26] <kbrooks> zazeem, as root?
[11:26] <zazeem> ?
[11:26] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, that's a bios+intel-agp error... same happened to me in another box a few days ago
[11:26] <SlopPyTACO> Hi <jdub>, Thanks again :)
[11:26] <kbrooks> zazeem, running the games as root?
[11:26] <zazeem> dunno
[11:26] <zazeem> how do itell?
[11:26] <zazeem> is that bad?
[11:26] <sladen> kbrooks: I would hope not
[11:26] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, for you to effectively use that option, you will have to blacklist intel-agp first
[11:26] <melazyboy2> lemsx1: Is there anyway way around it? if i set that UseInternalAGPGART to yes it still fails to work
[11:26] <kbrooks> $ or #
[11:27] <kbrooks> find $ or # at the prompt
[11:27] <zazeem> ?
[11:27] <zazeem> money
[11:27] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, the most effective way to do it is to remove the .ko file fomr the /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/vieo ... you get the idea
[11:27] <kbrooks> if its $, normal user
[11:27] <kbrooks> else its root
[11:27] <zazeem> ya $
[11:27] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, after that reboot (to make sure you have a clean system)
[11:27] <dread65> man i so disagree with this root thing
[11:27] <dread65> oh well
[11:27] <dread65> i have to manually change it
[11:28] <Peter> lemsx1: does xorg use xorg.conf? or can it use either of the two?
[11:28] <lemsx1> Peter, xorg.conf only
[11:28] <melazyboy2> lemsx1: I can always just recompile kernel without agpgart -- i don't even know what it does, but shoulden't it work then if that was the problem if i just set that option in xorg to yes
[11:28] <Peter> hmph
[11:28] <Peter> i thought fglrx was the new shiny ati driver
[11:29] <Peter> with 3d acceleration
[11:29] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, you need agpart. the problem is intel-agp. there is a bug in the driver... get the patch an patch that file only
[11:29] <zazeem> kbrooks, how do i know if i have acceleration on?
[11:29] <zazeem> or anyone
[11:29] <lemsx1> Peter, it is. 3d works like a charm
[11:29] <Peter> not here :(
[11:29] <melazyboy2> lemsx1: if you referring to the agpgart patch for the fglrx drivers, i already did get that and applied it
[11:29] <lemsx1> zazeem, glxinfo
[11:30] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, no, i'm referring to the patch they applied to intel-agp in 2.6.11-rc2
[11:30] <zazeem> name of display: :0.0
[11:30] <zazeem> display: :0  screen: 0
[11:30] <zazeem> direct rendering: No
[11:30] <zazeem> server glx vendor string: SGI
[11:30] <zazeem> server glx version string: 1.2
[11:30] <zazeem> server glx extensions:
[11:30] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, check www.kernel.org, click on "Changelog" for that kernel. you will see
[11:30] <zazeem> brb gtin eats
[11:30] <zazeem> gtting food bbrb
[11:31] <Peter> lemsx1: could you check my xorg.conf, to see if it indicates what the error is?
[11:31] <Peter> or is it not that simple
[11:32] <melazyboy2> does ubuntu not upload dev kernels sources to archives?
[11:32] <lemsx1> Peter, do you use a nvidia card?
[11:32] <Peter> no, ati radeon
[11:32] <lemsx1> Peter, what happens when you run glxgears?
[11:32] <Peter> weird
[11:32] <Peter> bash: glxgears: command not found
[11:32] <lemsx1> Peter, if acceleration is on, you will see over 200 fps
[11:33] <D-side> howdy.
[11:33] <lemsx1> /usr/bin/X11/glxgears
[11:33] <timothyarnold85> hey, i am having trouble setting up a network connection to connect to the internet with my newly installed ubuntu, could anyone help?
[11:33] <lemsx1> Peter, /usr/bin/X11/glxgears
[11:33] <Peter> bash: /usr/bin/X11/glxgears: No such file or directory
[11:33] <qm> hi
[11:34] <qm> when will be the next release date for ubuntu?
[11:34] <froust> qm: march or april
[11:34] <froust> for hoary
[11:34] <Guardiann> hoary will be out in april
[11:34] <lemsx1> Peter, ummm, i wonder how i got that now... maybe the ati sources install it
[11:34] <froust> i'm not sure the exact date
[11:34] <qm> froust, thanks
[11:34] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: go on, describe
[11:34] <qm> that's a long wait
[11:34] <D-side> I looked through the docs, but it didnt seem obvious to me... can one use a usb memory stick for ~ usage w/ the live cd?
[11:35] <froust> if you want bleeding edge updates etc, you can always go with hoary now
[11:35] <froust> but it is unstable
[11:35] <timothyarnold85> well, i'm not quite sure how to configure it. i'm trying to get everything i need automatically via DHCP but it's just not connecting to the internet and i'm not the best at setting these sort of things up
[11:35] <froust> i'm running hoary and i haven't had many problems.
[11:35] <lemsx1> Peter, i don't recall how i got that install... but it's part of the ati download for sure... there is a cooler one also
[11:36] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: when you log into your ubuntu install, you should see at top right some icon indicating network status, see what I'm talking about ?
[11:36] <D-side> thats a good question i guess. ubuntu releases based on debian releases?
[11:36] <timothyarnold85> i go through the "creating a new network connection" helper and it seems to be successful but then nothing's configured for it to work
[11:36] <D-side> i bet theres docs on this I havent read yet.
[11:36] <lemsx1> Peter, /usr/bin/X11/fgl_glxgears
[11:36] <timothyarnold85> no, i've only got a sound icon. in the top toolbar?
[11:37] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: yep
[11:37] <lemsx1> Peter, i got that the first time i installed fglrx (by converting the .rpm to .deb and from some sources i don't seem to recall now)
[11:37] <qm> Peter, are you trying to program in opengl?
[11:37] <timothyarnold85> i suppose i could just add the network monitor
[11:37] <timothyarnold85> to the toolbar
[11:37] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: you've got your ubuntu system nearby and running ?
[11:38] <timothyarnold85> yep
[11:38] <timothyarnold85> i've got open the network monitor now
[11:38] <Peter> program? no.
[11:38] <cafuego> http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[11:38] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: and do you see your network interface in it ?
[11:38] <Peter> lemsx1
[11:39] <Peter> 3594 frames in 5.0 seconds = 718.800 FPS
[11:39] <Peter> 4800 frames in 5.0 seconds = 960.000 FPS
[11:39] <Peter> 4800 frames in 5.0 seconds = 960.000 FPS
[11:39] <lemsx1> Peter, that's a very good number!
[11:39] <timothyarnold85> i don't think so; under network device it has type: local loopback and an address of 00:0000:00:00:00 which isn't my device
[11:39] <Peter> it is? :|
[11:39] <lemsx1> Peter, hell yeah
[11:39] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: ok, type eth0 in the text field instead of lo
[11:39] <Peter> for a 9800Pro?
[11:39] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: in field connection name
[11:40] <lemsx1> Peter, well, perhaps not as good for that card
[11:40] <cafuego> 12075 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2415.000 FPS
[11:40] <Peter> what card is that cafuego?
[11:40] <lemsx1> Peter, but glxgears is not a benchmarking program. it just gives you an idea
[11:40] <cafuego> Peter: Geforce 5700 TDH
[11:40] <timothyarnold85> ok, it recognizes the device, and it's 'disconnected' now, i've got two network adapters incidentally on the same motherboard and i'm not entirely sure solely based on eth0 or eth1 which i'm connected to
[11:40] <Peter> lemsx1: do you know anything about 'dcroot'?
[11:40] <lemsx1> Peter, nvidia with agp 8x perhaps
[11:40] <lemsx1> Peter, ditto. never heard of it
[11:41] <melazyboy2> lemsx1: Do you have a guegss how long it will take for 2.6.11 to go 2.6.12
[11:41] <cafuego> Peter: You must keep in mind the the nvidia drivers for Linux give more of an indication of what the card can do than the ati drivers. ATI's drivers for Windows get max performance, the Linux ones do not.
[11:41] <Peter> would anyone know why chroot doesnt copy my settings from my 64bit environment?
[11:41] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: I know no way to check which one on the motherboard is eth0 ... you have to try ..
[11:41] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, 2.6.11-rc2 will be 2.6.11 not .12
[11:41] <bitfoo> how do i install new fonts
[11:41] <Ctugha> I lost my onboard 3D acceleration when upgrading to Hoary! Help! :o
[11:41] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: now try to configure eth0/1 ...
[11:42] <melazyboy2> lemsx1: and how long before they release 2.6.12?
[11:42] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, i believe you will see 2.6.11 really soon... perhaps in 2 or so weeks (or less)
[11:42] <aburlet> wtf, Why I have vim installed and no vim executable ??
[11:42] <oneifreak> melazyboy2, thats like predicting the weather...
[11:42] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, perhaps 2 or so months after 2.6.11
[11:42] <Ex-Cyber> lemsx1: what makes you say that?
[11:42] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, exactly.. no way to tell
[11:42] <melazyboy2> oh i see what your saying
[11:42] <melazyboy2> i didn't know thye had RCs for dev builds
[11:43] <cafuego> melazyboy2: Check kernel org, they have -bk packages for the -rc builds even.
[11:43] <lemsx1> Ex-Cyber, looking at the trend of kernels from 2.6.8 till now 2.6.11 ... but there is NO way to predict
[11:43] <melazyboy2> i thought 2.6.11 was released the 26th right after they released 2.6.10
[11:43] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, that's the current developing kernel... i always follow the changelogs
[11:43] <Ex-Cyber> lemsx1: yeah, I was gonna say with Linux "rc" officially stands for "ridiculous count", not "release candidate" :)
[11:44] <lemsx1> Ex-Cyber, lol... that's a good one
[11:44] <lemsx1> Ex-Cyber, hopefully they will release 2.6.11 soon. 2.6.10 turned out to be a lem0n! :-)
[11:44] <cafuego> And there's akpm's -mm patches. (Which appear to work OK, except for some odd ext3 issues)
[11:46] <warty> my audio seemingly doesnt want to work on the livecd
[11:46] <warty> any commands I can find it with?
[11:46] <bigtony> any reason why i can have ~/bin in my path on bashrc and bash_profile and i have bt-dl in there and i can go to any dir on my shell and type bt-dl and the program will load but when i type which bt-dl it doesn't show a path
[11:46] <timothyarnold85> aburlet: ok, i've got eth1 switching between sending and receiving now in the network monitor, so i'm pretty sure that's the one plugged into the network. eth1 is added to my list in network settings, but i'm still not getting connected to the network/Internet yet
[11:47] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: and you set eth1 as configured by dhcp ?
[11:47] <timothyarnold85> aburlet: and the ip for eth1 in the network monitor is 192.168.0.30 which is a bit strange since i'm not connected through a router or anything
[11:48] <timothyarnold85> aburlet: yes, under its properties, connection settings, configuration, i have: automatic (DHCP)
[11:48] <Ex-Cyber> bigtony: now you've got me thinking about sloppy joes...  anyway my best guess is that if your path literally contains "~/bin" and not "/home/youruser/bin" then which might not be doing the expansion
[11:48] <lemsx1> bigtony, you have to tell your .bash_profile to load .bashrc and then set your path from .bash_profile ;-) ... also, tell your terminal to behave as a login terminal (gnome-terminal has an option in prefrences)
[11:48] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: ok, what should be your IP by what mean is your eth1 connected to the internet ?
[11:48] <timothyarnold85> aburlet: in case it helps, i am at a college campus and connected into the wall via ethernet that should give me (at least in the other computers here) an ip not in that range
[11:49] <melazyboy2> can anyone think of any suprises if i compile from kernel.org sources rather than ubuntu patched sources?
[11:49] <zazeem> back
[11:49] <bitfoo> how do i install fonts in ubuntu :|
[11:49] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: so fireup a command prompt and request a new dhcp address (dhclient eth1)
[11:49] <timothyarnold85> aburlet: default gateway should be 164.107.213.1 i thnk
[11:49] <snowblink> aburlet: check /etc/alternatives
[11:50] <PhilAway> easy way to install fluxbox in ubuntu
[11:50] <PhilAway> ??
[11:50] <aigarius> melazyboy2: some of the latest security bugs are not fixed on kernel.org
[11:50] <lemsx1> melazyboy2, install ubuntu's sources and download the sources from kernel.org then do a diff -u :-)
[11:50] <bitfoo> :|
[11:50] <aburlet> snowblink: that's the point, /etc/alternatives/vi points to /usr/bin/vim, whoch doesn't exist ... although package vim is installed
[11:50] <cafuego> melazyboy2: If you get a kernel.org kernel, get the latest one (like say a preX or rcY) with -bkZ patches.
[11:50] <melazyboy2> lemsx1: but one is 2.6.11 other is 2.6.10; and as we j ust discovered i need 2.6.11
[11:51] <ficusplanet> I'm trying to build the latest ndiswrapper and it wants me to specify the kernel source directory (KSRC) with make.  How do I do this?
[11:51] <snowblink> aburlet: I had it disappear on me when I was on hoary
[11:51] <timothyarnold85> aburlet: ok, i did that. i get an error message: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 can't create /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.leases: permission denied SI0CSIFADDR: permission denied SI0CSIFFLAGS: permission denied SI0CSIFFLAGS: permission denied sit0: unknown hardware type 776 open a socket for LPF: operation not permitted
[11:51] <melazyboy2> what does the bkX and mmX
[11:51] <melazyboy2> mean
[11:51] <aburlet> snowblink: guess what, I'm on hoarry
[11:51] <nir> I get an error on startup, and also when I click the CD-ROM image:
[11:51] <nir> mount: mount point /media/cdrom is a symbolic link to nowhere
[11:51] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: "sudo dhclient eth1"
[11:52] <aburlet> snowblink: any solutions ?
[11:52] <lemsx1> ficusplanet, KSRC=/path/to/sources make
[11:52] <cafuego> melazyboy2: They're patches (bk is from bitkeeper, like spanshots) mm patches are from Andrew Morton, which is supposed to handle 2.6 development if/when 2.7 or 2.8 gets spun off by Linus.
[11:52] <nir> which is true, it links to /media/cdrom which itself links to /media/cdrom0
[11:52] <nir> which does not exists
[11:52] <rempresent> how do i make a poster site using php4 and apache
[11:52] <snowblink> aburlet: not that I could find. Happened to me after I installed KDE
[11:52] <nir> are those links correct?
[11:53] <raphael_> hi
[11:53] <aburlet> snowblink: yep, I saw sth like ... "diversion by kvim from: /usr/bin/vim to /usr/bin/vim.org" know what that means ?
[11:53] <stuNNed> hi all
[11:53] <raphael_> is there any problem to dist-upgrade warty to hoary?
[11:53] <melazyboy2> cafuego: So i should download which one the rc2/rc2bk7/rc2/mm2?
[11:53] <ficusplanet> lemsx1, If I put KSRC=/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10 it doesn't work.  Do I have to point to a specific place in the source tree?
[11:53] <stuNNed> can i blacklist agpgart and it's associated modules?
[11:54] <raphael_> i mean, once i had some problens ans i had to reinstall it
[11:54] <snowblink> aburlet: hmmm. Did you install kvim or KDE?
[11:54] <lemsx1> ficusplanet, depends on what you are trying to compile... but usually the include drectory inside the kernel source
[11:54] <cafuego> melazyboy2: I'm on -mm1 at the moment, which works OK. If you want to try mm2, you need kernel 2.6.10, patch 2.6.11-rc2 and patch 2.6.11-rc2-mm2
[11:54] <ficusplanet> lemsx1, Thanks.
[11:54] <timothyarnold85> aburlet: ok i did it once and it told me i was bount to 192.168.0.30 but then i did it again and it worked, go figure. everything's working now. thank you very much for your help. how often does it automatically (or does it ever?) do that?
[11:54] <cafuego> melazyboy2: bk patches do have the habit of not compiling on occasion.
[11:54] <lemsx1> ficusplanet, you also have to prepare the kernel: cd /path/to/sources && make oldconfig && make prepare
[11:54] <aburlet> snowblink: kde, and I got kvim for free (part of kde addons)
[11:55] <stuNNed> who here is running ubuntu on an athlon64?
[11:55] <raphael_> me
[11:55] <snowblink> aburlet: I think this qualifies as a bug
[11:55] <lemsx1> ficusplanet, that's assuming that you copied your config file from /boot/config-`uname -r` to /path/to/sources/.config
[11:55] <cafuego> stuNNed: I am.
[11:55] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: maybe you have 2 dhcp server on your network (kinda possible at college)
[11:55] <stuNNed> cafuego: athlon64 ubuntu or regular?
[11:55] <raphael_> stuNNed, i am
[11:55] <aburlet> snowblink: if you want dhcp for eth1, check /etc/network/interfaces to be sure
[11:55] <stuNNed> raphael_: athlon64 ubuntu or i386/i686?
[11:55] <aburlet> snowblink: sorry wrong person
[11:56] <aburlet> timothyarnold85:  if you want dhcp for eth1, check /etc/network/interfaces to be sure
[11:56] <lemsx1> cafuego, what's the "advantage" of the -mm tree ?
[11:56] <cafuego> stuNNed: Hoary AMD64 with a custom kernel.
[11:56] <raphael_> stuNNed, athlon64 ubuntu
[11:56] <aburlet> snowblink: you mean that after 3 days of ubuntu I should get a bugzilla account ....
[11:56] <cafuego> lemsx1: Additional features and more stability then the bk patches.
[11:56] <stuNNed> raphael_: any probs?
[11:56] <lemsx1> cafuego, where can i read about it?
[11:57] <cafuego> lemsx1: In the patch itself? :-)
[11:57] <snowblink> aburlet: you're on hoary...
[11:57] <lemsx1> cafuego, :-)
[11:57] <stuNNed> do you guys know if i can blacklist agpgart and it's ass. modules?
[11:57] <raphael_> stuNNed, problens when updating to hoary, warty is ok
[11:57] <stuNNed> raphael_: warty is ok? ok thanks
[11:57] <PhilAway> How to set up my network card?
[11:57] <lemsx1> cafuego, good to know...
[11:57] <lemsx1> bbl
[11:57] <snowblink> aburlet: I switched back to warty
[11:57] <cafuego> lemsx1: kernel.org; changelog link.
[11:57] <aburlet> snowblink: yes, but it's my 12th bugzilla account on earth, that is too much :)
[11:57] <stuNNed> raphael_: should i go for a 3ghz+ p4 or athlon64 you think?
[11:57] <stuNNed> cafuego: thanks
[11:57] <cafuego> stuNNed: Just don't expect Evolution to work (at all)
[11:57] <melazyboy2> cafuego: Can you just download the 2.6.11-rc2 w/ mm2, or do i have to download 2.6.10 patch with 2.6.11-rc2, then apply 2.6.11-rc2-mm2
[11:58] <cafuego> stuNNed: Go the Athlon64.
[11:58] <stuNNed> cafuego: ok thanks
[11:58] <aburlet> snowblink: do you know if there is a kubuntu status page ?
[11:58] <raphael_> cafuego, did u get any problens with hoary?
[11:58] <cafuego> stuNNed: Cheaper & faster & leeter.
[11:58] <snowblink> aburlet: dunno
[11:58] <stuNNed> cafuego: i don't really care about the 'leeter' part ...
[11:58] <cafuego> raphael_: I never ran hoary on it, I went from Debian sid to Warty.
[11:58] <stuNNed> cafuego: so athlon64 would be faster than p4 at above 3ghz?
[11:59] <cafuego> stuNNed: My 1.8GHz AMD64 can keep up with a 3GHz p4 easily, yes.
[11:59] <stuNNed> cafuego: k thanks
[11:59] <timothyarnold85> aburlet: thank you again. and when i installed ubuntu tried to download some updates from the Internet but couldn't because it wasn't quite automaticallyc onfiguring correctly. do you know how i can run that update now?
[11:59] <raphael_> does any body installes ubuntu64 hoary?
[11:59] <stuNNed> cafuego: currently have p4 2.4 ghz and doom3 is slow with gf fx 6800 ultra
[11:59] <zazeem> azeem@workgroup:~ $ glxgears
[11:59] <zazeem> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:59] <zazeem> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[11:59] <zazeem> ???????help???????