[12:00] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: you can start synaptic pacakge manager from menu desktop-> administration on the top toolbar
[12:00] <cafuego> stuNNed: I haven't tried doom3 (at all) but bzflag runs dan quick ;-)
[12:00] <stuNNed> cafuego: think i'm cpu limited
[12:00] <stuNNed> cafuego: with p4 2.4ghz
[12:00] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: then hit reload and mark all upgrades and apply ...
[12:01] <cafuego> stuNNed: Yeah, I am too on the 5700FX - still, runs fatser then anything I've ever owned before and games are fine at 1600x1200.
[12:01] <LinuxJones> zazeem, you need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?
[12:01] <bitfoo> :|
[12:01] <bitfoo> i changed my font and it is crazy :|
[12:01] <zazeem> ?
[12:01] <zazeem> what how
[12:01] <stuNNed> cafuego: so you think upgrading to athlon64 i'll definitely see a speed increase?
[12:01] <cafuego> melazyboy2: Doesn't really matter how you patch up, as long as you apply the -rc2 patch to a vanilla .10 and the -mm2 patch to .11-rc2
[12:01] <raphael_> ????help with hoary??? i have problem with ia32lib or somthing like that
[12:02] <ExxonE> anyone who can help me with my totem? it wont play a avi movie i have dld, when i come to think about it, i cant play anything in totem.. :S
[12:02] <cafuego> stuNNed: That would depend on what software you run.
[12:02] <zazeem> how linux jones
[12:02] <zazeem> :(
[12:02] <bitfoo> zazeem, sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[12:02] <bitfoo> :|
[12:02] <LinuxJones> zazeem, you need to install the nvidia drivers
[12:02] <cafuego> stuNNed: The system will be quicker, but I can't honestly tell you IF it would be noticable.
[12:02] <zazeem> thnx
[12:02] <stuNNed> cafuego: mostly terminal, muine, occasional gnumeric and abiword, firefox, epiphany, mutt, irssi, doom3...
[12:03] <zazeem> now what??
[12:03] <cafuego> stuNNed: However, if you have an intel mobo now that you could simply plug  afatser CPU into, you'd be silly to buy a new mobo+cpu combo instead.
[12:03] <cafuego> stuNNed: So you don't actually use it for anything that needs to be faster then a 500MHz P3 except for doom3 <heh>
[12:03] <zazeem> linuxjones now what do i do?
[12:03] <stuNNed> cafuego: yep heh
[12:03] <Ex-Cyber> stuNNed: Athlon64 is reportedly very nice for Doom 3, aside from that I doubt you'd notice
[12:04] <stuNNed> Ex-Cyber: k
[12:04] <stuNNed> Ex-Cyber: thanks!
[12:04] <cafuego> stuNNed: A ram upgrade and.or faster hardddrive can also up performane a lot.
[12:04] <ExxonE> I need help with totem... *panic*
[12:04] <Ex-Cyber> stuNNed: what cafuego said :)
[12:04] <Ex-Cyber> the benefit of extra RAM is often underestimated
[12:05] <timothyarnold85> aburlet: ok. thanks again. one last question: do you know of any drivers/programs that will read NTFS formatted drives (i am dual booting) for ubuntu?
[12:05] <cafuego> yes, 1.5GB or death!
[12:05] <Ex-Cyber> I definitely noticed a difference in general system response between 512M and 768M back when I was running Windows XP... I assume most of the difference was from caching files
[12:05] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: Linux will read NTFS without problems.
[12:05] <gilles> the screen blinks when chosing the language at the beginning of the install of ubuntu, shall I chose some special commands at the boot of the install cd ?
[12:05] <Tuxicity> hello guys
[12:05] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: Won't *write* to it, though.
[12:06] <cafuego> Ex-Cyber: Yeah, WinXP with god knows what running in the tray likes in between 256 and 512MB all to itself. Damned ram how.
[12:06] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: there's an included module in the kernel for read-only ntfs ...
[12:06] <warty_> the i386 installation failed to install the kernal
[12:07] <cafuego> Ex-Cyber: I ddin't notice much of a different on Linux between 512Mb and 1.5GB though.
[12:07] <warty_> any idea why?
[12:07] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: ok. writing isn't really even necessary. but I didn't know that- before i tried (am trying) ubuntu i was using fedora core 3 and it didn't have any of my other ntfs formatted drives listed until i installed something that was supposed to let you mount ntfs drives
[12:07] <cafuego> warty_: Your log knows. alt-F3/alt-F4
[12:07] <LinuxJones> zazeem, did you read the notes section below ?
[12:07] <Tuxicity> Now I know no one likes Winblows here (including me), but I need a tip. Is it normal that Winblows XP Pro tries to alter my boot sector just before the installer even starts???
[12:07] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: Listed? Just just add 'em. Remember. Computers are stupid. Humans are smart ;-)
[12:08] <Ex-Cyber> cafuego: yeah, the last thing I did to improve performance on Linux was to clean out my video card fan, apparently the chip was throttling :P
[12:08] <LinuxJones> zazeem, yes
[12:08] <Ex-Cyber> I was pulling my hair out analyzing xorg.0.log and playing with different kernels
[12:08] <cafuego> Ex-Cyber: <heh>
[12:08] <aburlet> cafuego: humans are also stupid, but some may be smart ...hem
[12:08] <bitfoo> asdf
[12:08] <cafuego> Ex-Cyber: I got the biggest boot going from an ATA66 to SATA controller.
[12:09] <cafuego> boost, too.
[12:09] <kbrooks> is it easy to assemble my own live cd based on ubuntu
[12:10] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: lol, ok, but i'm not sure how to "add" them?
[12:10] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: Run 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' to get a list of partitions. Then add any you want to be able to mount to /etc/fstab (with appropriate options, see 'man mount')
[12:11] <PhilAway> Can anyone help me getting my network card to work? I have a laptop here and I'd like to get it online :)
[12:11] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: best way is maybe add them in /etc/fstab
[12:11] <stuNNed> cafuego: think going from p4 2.4 to p4 3.0 would make a big difference in doom3?
[12:11] <kbrooks> is it easy to assemble my own live cd based on ubuntu?
[12:11] <kbrooks> anyone?
[12:11] <JoePenguin> kbrooks: no
[12:12] <cafuego> stuNNed: Probably not.
[12:12] <gilles> do i need to be connected to the internet when installing ubuntu ?
[12:12] <stuNNed> cafuego: k thnx
[12:12] <kbrooks> are the steps documented somewhere
[12:12] <kbrooks> gilles, no.
[12:12] <julio> no, gilles.
[12:12] <cafuego> stuNNed: If you INSIST on spending money though, make sure the CPU has a nice heap or L2 cache.
[12:12] <julio> you can configure your network card later.
[12:12] <JoePenguin> kbrooks: actually I couldn't say yes or no since I don't know what level of experience you have.
[12:13] <kbrooks> no is right. ;)
[12:13] <stuNNed> cafuego: yeah, doom3 is playable at this stage, just no 80fps :D
[12:14] <cafuego> stuNNed: Just flip down the resolution.
[12:14] <JoePenguin> kbrooks: Here is the first relevant link i found on google: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7233
[12:14] <cafuego> Tuxicity: Please give us more info about WHICh installer.
[12:15] <Tuxicity> cafuego, the Winblows XP Pro installer. When it boots the CD, my BIOS gives a boot sector warning!
[12:15] <julio> Probably a bad CD?
[12:15] <zazeem> help plz i am reading on the nvidia instructions at ubuntu site what does this mean? As root (i.e. with sudo), use your favorite editor to edit the file /etc/modules. Add a line that contains just the word "nvidia" (without the quotes).  This will cause the nvidia module to be loaded the next time you reboot.
[12:16] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: ok, what 'type' is NTFS?
[12:16] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: is it just NTFS?
[12:16] <crimsun> zazeem: type this in a terminal: echo nvidia | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[12:16] <julio> it's just ntfs.
[12:16] <zazeem> thnx
[12:16] <Tuxicity> julio, on a different PC, the installer booted without warning..
[12:16] <cafuego> Tuxicity: Yeah, it's probably checking for a MS bootloader or soemthing. it;'s going to wipe it anyway, so i wouldn't worry about it.
[12:16] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: yes, bus lowercase
[12:16] <julio> hmmm......then I wouldn't know Tuxicity
[12:16] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: 'ntfs'
[12:17] <cafuego> Tuxicity: On a different PC, does the BIOS keep an eye on the boot sector?
[12:17] <Tuxicity> cafuego, yes, but maybe just for write access??
[12:17] <zazeem> how do i restart x?
[12:17] <Tuxicity> zazeem, ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:18] <cafuego> Tuxicity: *shrug* I always switch that feaure off.
[12:18] <andrewski> i couldn't find anything in the documentation for apt-get, but is there a way to uninstall unclaimed dependencies?
[12:19] <LinuxJones> andrewski, deborphan ?
[12:19] <timothyarnold85> cafeugo: am i mounting to the directory /etc/fstab ? there is a file fstab in /etc/ and i tried to mkdir /etc/fstab because when i tried to mount it told me /etc/fstab isn't a directory
[12:19] <cafuego> Woo!
[12:19] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: No, make a directory called /mnt/win and mount it there.
[12:19] <andrewski> LinuxJones: that looks good; thanks.
[12:19] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: You need to edit /etc/fstab with a text editor.
[12:19] <Tuxicity> cafuego, yea... could it be a virus? cause I have a legal version of Winblows, of course**
[12:19] <LinuxJones> andrewski, :)
[12:20] <cafuego> Tuxicity: Maybe. Just wipe Windows and install Linux. That'll kill the virus and make sure you don't get reinfected ;-)
[12:21] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: I'm getting an authentication failure when I try to su root but I can do 'sudo ...' fine with my password.
[12:21] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: Yes, That's correct.
[12:21] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: Also, can I authenticate through the GUI or something? because it's not letting me view the contents of /mnt/win through the GUI
[12:21] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: There's not need to *ever* run 'su -'
[12:21] <Tuxicity> cafuego, well I have Linux(of course!), but need Winblows too...
[12:22] <zazeem> ok now im trying to install a game enemy territory, bit i get an error
[12:22] <Tuxicity> cafuego, I'm wondering, does the BIOS check for both read and write access to the boot sector?
[12:22] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: You need to tweak the fstab line to allow your account to view the contents of that disk. Specifically, you will want to add the umask=002 and uid=XXXX options. (Where XXXX is your uid)
[12:22] <cafuego> Tuxicity: No idea
[12:23] <cafuego> Tuxicity: Run 'lilo -v' and see if the bios whines.
[12:23] <timothyarnold85> cafeugo: where can I check the uid of users?
[12:23] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: If you add 'user' as well, you won't need to run sudo to mount/unmount it.
[12:23] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: run 'id'
[12:23] <zazeem> cansomeone walk me through installing this game, enemy terrirory please!! :)
[12:24] <cafuego> zazeem: Isn't that payware?
[12:24] <zazeem> ?
[12:24] <zazeem> no
[12:24] <zazeem> its free game online
[12:24] <zazeem> and linux compatible
[12:24] <zazeem> best game ever.
[12:24] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: I'm not entirely sure what I'm modifying (the /etc/fstab file?) with umask and uid
[12:24] <Tuxicity> cafuego, what's the "-v" for?
[12:24] <cafuego> last I checked IDSoft charged for their stuff.
[12:25] <cafuego> Tuxicity: verbosity
[12:25] <zazeem> someone please?
[12:25] <Tuxicity> cafuego, I should run that from a live cd?
[12:25] <kbrooks> i have a question
[12:25] <andrewski> zazeem: maybe no one here plays it...?
[12:25] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: You're editing the fstab file yes. See where it probably has 'defaults' on your ntfs line?
[12:25] <zazeem> well its like any other .run file
[12:25] <crimsun> zazeem: follow the directions :)
[12:25] <zazeem> i dont know where to start
[12:25] <zazeem> no directions
[12:25] <LinuxJones> zazeem, isn't there like a how-to included on their website somewhere ?
[12:25] <cafuego> zazeem: sh ./foo.run
[12:25] <kbrooks> i have a question?
[12:25] <ExxonE> I need help with the commandline that will build and make my VLC--- anypne?
[12:25] <kbrooks> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:26] <Adrenal> ExxonE: y not just install through synaptic?
[12:26] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: You want that options section to say 'defaults,ro,user,umask=002,uid=XXXX'
[12:26] <Adrenal> ExxonE: or apt-get?
[12:26] <ExxonE> kbrooks: what is your question?
[12:26] <kbrooks> i want to ask yall a queestion. what are the usual options that are passed to mkisofs
[12:26] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: I don't see an ntfs line. Just proc, /dev/hdb1, /dev/hdb5, /dev/hdd, and /dev/hdc
[12:26] <ExxonE> adrenal: cuz' i cant find it there, u have any extra sources to share me?
[12:27] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: Oh... had you added it yet?
[12:27] <Tuxicity> ExxonE, universe or multiverse maybe?
[12:27] <andrewski> kbrooks: there are some good cdburning howtos out there...
[12:27] <Adrenal> backports as well
[12:27] <Adrenal> but careful not to update gaim
[12:27] <kbrooks> andrewski, not to burn cds
[12:27] <ExxonE> Tuxicity how do i install this "universe"?
[12:27] <kbrooks> but to create isos
[12:28] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: Well, I didn't know I was supposed to add it to fstab. Do I just mount it there then run the mount command?
[12:28] <cafuego> ExxonE: Say "Let there be light".
[12:28] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: I originally thought you wanted me to mount to a folder named fstab
[12:28] <crimsun> ExxonE: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[12:28] <ExxonE> cafuego: huh?
[12:28] <Tuxicity> ExxonE, ya it's in universe. uncomment the line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:28] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: No, no. Which partition is the ntfs one?
[12:28] <cafuego> ExxonE: that's traditionally how universes are installed.
[12:28] <andrewski> kbrooks: oh, well i don't know.  look up 'iso howto' :)
[12:28] <timothyarnold85> hda1
[12:28] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: hda1
[12:29] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: You'll want a line in /etc/fstab then that says "/dev/hda1  /mnt/win  ntfs  defaults,ro,user,umask=002,uid=XXX  0  0'
[12:29] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: ok great
[12:29] <zazeem> how do i install a file thats in my home dir, its a run file
[12:29] <sj> zazeem: type sh <file>
[12:29] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: Oh, and possibly change 'defaults' to 'noauto'.
[12:30] <Tuxicity> cafuego, well thanks. Conclusion: Win-blows
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[12:31] <zazeem> It is recommended to install as the super user
[12:31] <zazeem> Please enter the root password or hit enter to continue as is
[12:31] <zazeem> Password:
[12:31] <zazeem> su: Authentication failure
[12:31] <zazeem> Sorry.
[12:31] <zazeem> /home/zazeem/.setup6049: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:31] <zazeem> ./setup.sh: line 278:  6079 Segmentation fault      "$setup" "$@" 2>>$NULL
[12:31] <zazeem> The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1
[12:31] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: With the 'noauto' you will need to manually mount it after each bootup. othwriwse it'll get automounted at boot.
[12:31] <zazeem> woops sorry flood :(
[12:31] <kbrooks> ok
[12:31] <cafuego> zazeem: Why as root?
[12:31] <zazeem> ?
[12:31] <zazeem> what?
[12:31] <zazeem> its root?
[12:31] <zazeem> how do i not do root
[12:32] <cafuego> Does that installer ask for the rootpw? Sheesh.
[12:32] <Adrenal> do u remember how old you were when you first became root?
[12:32] <zazeem> It is recommended to install as the super user
[12:32] <zazeem> Please enter the root password or hit enter to continue as is
[12:32] <zazeem> Password:
[12:32] <zazeem> su: Authentication failure
[12:32] <zazeem> ?
[12:32] <kbrooks> ;p;
[12:32] <kbrooks> lol*
[12:32] <cafuego> zazeem: just hitting enter there? good.
[12:32] <theine> try to append sudo in front of that command
[12:32] <zazeem> ya
[12:32] <zazeem> got error
[12:33] <zazeem> ill pm it to u its kinda big
[12:33] <cafuego> zazeem: You needto install whaever package contains libgtk-1.2.so
[12:33] <zazeem> ?
[12:33] <zazeem> o
[12:33] <zazeem> i c
[12:33] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: Is there any reason it shouldn't automount? If I wanted it to, could I change back to defaults?
[12:33] <zazeem> lol
[12:33] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: Yep, you can change it at any time.
[12:33] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: Also, I mounted it before modifying fstab. How can I unmount the filesystem?
[12:33] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: I don't automount mine coz it makes bootup .5 seconds slower ;-)
[12:34] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: sudo umount /mnt/win
[12:34] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: lol alright
[12:34] <zazeem> cafouege libgtk2.0?
[12:35] <zazeem> cafuego*
[12:35] <zazeem> lib what?
[12:35] <cafuego> zazeem: I dunno!
[12:35] <zazeem> o
[12:35] <timothyarnold85> confuego: OK, I added the correct line in fstab and umounted and then re-mounted but it still denies me access to the folder. My command was: 'sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/win'
[12:35] <cafuego> libgtk1.2
[12:36] <theine> cafuego: that should be installed on his machine i guess?
[12:36] <zazeem> k i found
[12:36] <zazeem> installing 24 just incase its not right :>
[12:37] <cafuego> zazeem: I suggest you install as non-root user to a subdirectory in your homedir.
[12:37] <zazeem> what?
[12:37] <cafuego> zazeem: You can then always rm -rf it.
[12:37] <zazeem> how do i o that
[12:37] <zazeem> filename is et-linux-2.55.x86.run
[12:37] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: no, after you added the line in fstab, just do sudo mount /mnt/win
[12:37] <popey> zazeem, can't you just run it with sudo?
[12:38] <cafuego> zazeem: Just run it, when it asks for an install location, type ~/et
[12:38] <zazeem> run it?
[12:38] <aburlet> timothyarnold85: and if it still doesn't work show us the result of ls -l /mnt/win when it is mounted
[12:38] <zazeem> sh ...run in csole?
[12:38] <cafuego> popey: Running 3rd party software as root without checking it isn't a healthy habit.
[12:38] <LinuxJones> lol
[12:38] <popey> cafuego, depends if you really dont know what it is
[12:38] <lupus_> is there a repository with gtkmm2.5.x packages?
[12:38] <bitfoo> how uh
[12:38] <lupus_> I need them for coaster
[12:39] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: when i try that it says wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, or too many mounted file systems (could it be that last one that's messing things up?)
[12:39] <zazeem> cafuego then how do i not install to root?
[12:39] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: unount it. Then (as yourself) run 'mount /mnt/win'
[12:39] <cafuego> zazeem: run 9as you) sh ./et-linux-2.55.x86.run and hit return when it asks for the root password.
[12:39] <zazeem> 9as you?
[12:39] <aburlet> (as you)
[12:40] <aburlet> (as yourself)
[12:40] <zazeem> o i c
[12:40] <zazeem> hopeshe works
[12:40] <zazeem> omg it worked!! <3 u
[12:40] <moyogo> has any body tried the different input methods available out there?
[12:41] <stuNNed> can i blacklist agpgart and ass. modules/
[12:41] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: aha, I poorly typed in my fstab line :)
[12:41] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: wonderful, it's fine now. thanks!
[12:41] <gort_me> ok stupid question, first time Ubuntu user, what is the /etc/X11 file that is used?
[12:42] <gort_me> XF86config or xorg.config?
[12:42] <bitfoo> hmm :|
[12:42] <Shillo> Hullo, folks!
[12:42] <Shillo> Hey, wonder if anyone's knowledgable about XInput? I have a problem with Aiptek tablet.
[12:46] <theine> is anybody using a SNES emulator in here?
[12:47] <thread> zsnes
[12:47] <theine> thread: does it work smoothly for you?
[12:47] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: enjoy :-)
[12:47] <thread> theine: yeah
[12:48] <zazeem> hi
[12:48] <theine> thread: no glitches with sound or anything?
[12:48] <thread> theine: nothing major
[12:48] <zazeem> cuego u rock my world it worked
[12:48] <zazeem> i cant believe it
[12:48] <zazeem> but my sound doesnt
[12:48] <theine> thread: alright, good to know
[12:49] <cafuego> zazeem: it probably requires OSS sound and NO sound daemon.
[12:50] <andrewski> what do i do if i have samba installed but it doesn't show up in my networking?
[12:51] <zazeem> anyone know why my sound wont work in games?
[12:51] <popey> zazeem, does it work in anything other than games?
[12:51] <theine> thread: are you running at 16 bpp?
[12:51] <crimsun> zazeem: does it work in gnome?
[12:51] <AzMoo> Is it possible to mount an FTP Server like a network share?
[12:51] <crimsun> zazeem: pkill esd && start_some_game
[12:52] <popey> AzMoo, try ftp://user:pass@host/ in nautilus ?
[12:54] <AzMoo> popey, heh, nautilus has a "Connect to Server" option. That's close enough ;) Cheers.
[12:54] <zazeem> pkill what crimsun?
[12:54] <zazeem> i have no sound in et this blows lol
[12:55] <kebac_> you have any idea why i cannot connect my tw-ea200 adsl-box directly to my NIC, only to switch
[12:55] <llamakc> is esd running? thats what you should kill
[12:55] <kebac_> i've tried direct and twisted pair cables
[12:55] <zazeem> esd?
[12:55] <zazeem> how do i kill?
[12:55] <crimsun> zazeem: pkill esd
[12:55] <zazeem> k
[12:56] <zazeem> still no sound
[12:56] <crimsun> zazeem: lsmod|grep ^snd_pcm_oss
[12:56] <llamakc> is sound working at all?
[12:56] <popey> zazeem, are your speakers plugged in :P
[12:56] <zazeem> ya works on desktop
[12:57] <zazeem> sound is fine in ubuntu
[12:57] <llamakc> you mean in Gnome?
[12:57] <zazeem> whats gnome
[12:57] <popey> lol
[12:57] <zazeem> lol
[12:57] <popey> zazeem, the gui is gnome
[12:57] <zazeem> o
[12:57] <zazeem> ja
[12:57] <zazeem> zazeem@workgroup:~ $ lsmod|grep ^snd_pcm_oss
[12:57] <zazeem> snd_pcm_oss            48168  0
[12:57] <zazeem> zazeem@workgroup:~ $
[12:57] <zazeem> ?
[12:57] <crimsun> zazeem: lsof /dev/dsp*
[12:57] <zazeem> would that be it?
[12:58] <zazeem> ill try it
[12:58] <zazeem> :)
[12:58] <zazeem> thnx guys
[12:58] <zazeem> no worky
[12:58] <popey> zazeem, they're not solving yet, they're analysing your problem
[12:58] <crimsun> zazeem: what game are you trying, and what error are you getting? Paste your error to http://pastebin.ca
[12:59] <zazeem> i also cant listen to mp3s
[12:59] <zazeem> get an error
[12:59] <zazeem> not getting an error
[12:59] <zazeem> just no sound
[12:59] <zazeem> game starts fine
[12:59] <llamakc> did you install the gstreamer0.8-mad package yet?
[12:59] <zazeem> no?
[12:59] <zazeem> lemme look
[01:00] <llamakc> thats for mp3s
[01:01] <andrewski> anyone know how to set up samba?
[01:01] <llamakc> i've a ? about rhythmbox--each time i run it i have to re-add my mp3s from a partition that is mounted with users option. ideas? no errors by rbox either
[01:02] <popey> andrewski, as a client or a server?
[01:02] <zazeem> o i did have error
[01:02] <zazeem> here it is guys http://pastebin.ca/4960
[01:02] <andrewski> popey: client.  i have it installed already, too.
[01:02] <popey> andrewski, you want to do what, mount a windows share?
[01:02] <andrewski> popey: share a folder with windows and yes, mount a share from another computer.
[01:03] <popey> andrewski, in which case you want server *and* client
[01:03] <andrewski> popey: oh. :)
[01:03] <Guardiann>  zazeem your machine still not working?
[01:03] <crimsun> zazeem: cat /proc/asound/modules
[01:04] <zazeem> zazeem@workgroup:~ $ cat /proc/asound/modules
[01:04] <zazeem> 0 snd_via82xx
[01:04] <zazeem> zazeem@workgroup:~ $
[01:04] <zazeem> better than what is was guardiann got games to work :D
[01:04] <squeaky> hey
[01:04] <squeaky> i'm having the same problem as before
[01:04] <popey> andrewski, to mount a share on another machine you can use "mount -t smbfs" followed by a bunch of options
[01:04] <squeaky> i can't boot :-(
[01:04] <squeaky> i get error 21
[01:05] <popey> andrewski, to make your machine serve out stuff via samba, you need to maintain /etc/samba/smb.conf
[01:05] <andrewski> popey: i thought i remembered seeing a nice GUI config tool a few days ago, but i can't seem to find it today....
[01:05] <cowbud> andrewski: gnome is getting it integrated eventually..
[01:05] <cowbud> supposedly in gnome 10
[01:05] <cowbud> 2.10 that is
[01:05] <squeaky> anyone?
[01:06] <zazeem> also still cant listen to mp3's
[01:06] <squeaky> can someone help :-?
[01:06] <zazeem> that wound with et?
[01:06] <zazeem> cant boot what?
[01:06] <crimsun> zazeem: are you using any special parameters to snd-via82xx? Are you using an .asoundrc?
[01:06] <cowbud> squeaky: a little more than I get error 21 might be helpful when what are you trying to boot frmo etc etc
[01:06] <zazeem> dunno how do i check
[01:07] <llamakc> zazeem how long ago did you install ubuntu?
[01:07] <squeaky> grub
[01:07] <popey> zazeem, you dont have anything muted do you? open the sound mixer to find out
[01:07] <zazeem> like 2 hours
[01:07] <squeaky> :-D sorry
[01:07] <cowbud> squeaky: did you google that error?
[01:07] <squeaky> yup
[01:07] <cafuego> poo
[01:07] <kent> gaah, webcams are by far the most irritating thing to get working in linux (ubuntu as well as other flavors..).
[01:07] <squeaky> seems anyone who has solved it doesn't like explaining what they did
[01:07] <popey> kent, hehehe
[01:07] <cowbud> squeaky: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/271505
[01:07] <cowbud> did you read that site?
[01:08] <cafuego> kent: They also tend to be the most irritating thing to look at ;-)
[01:08] <eddie303> I cannot get any sound while Frozen-Bubbl, I realized I have no /dev/dsp, is this the problem? I cannot get OSS emulation to work, I have an ISA SB Vibra16
[01:08] <squeaky> one sec, lemme try somethin
[01:08] <squeaky> i think i may no what to do
[01:08] <kent> cafuego, well, if only mine was working i'd dace for you..   but neither mine or a friends camera is working.
[01:08] <zazeem> ya abunch muted
[01:08] <squeaky> and i've seen that site several times
[01:08] <popey> zazeem, un-mute?
[01:09] <popey> kent, what cameras?
[01:09] <zazeem> what?
[01:09] <crimsun> eddie303: lsmod|grep ^snd_pcm_oss
[01:09] <Guardiann> un-mute all of them
[01:09] <zazeem> did
[01:09] <cowbud> squeaky: well again we are the issue I am using grub I get error 21...adding things like I tried this and this and looked at this site and it didn't help cause of this might get you an actual question I have asked you two questions that didn't help you at all..
[01:09] <popey> zazeem, un-mute them, the ones that are muted
[01:09] <zazeem> now i get a fuzzy annoying sound on gui
[01:09] <popey> zazeem, now try playing frozen bubble or something
[01:09] <llamakc> zazeem turn your speakers down
[01:10] <llamakc> and install that gstreamer0.8-mad package, and mpg123, and play your song file
[01:10] <zazeem> omg that fuzzy sound is annoying
[01:10] <kent> popey, i have a creative webcam nx, and my friend have a quickcam express.
[01:10] <zazeem> 1 of the things i unmuted makes it fuz
[01:10] <llamakc> heh, umount and mount my other part fixed rhythmbox. schweet!
[01:10] <popey> kent, the use the pwc driver dont they?
[01:11] <squeaky> where would grub be installed?
[01:11] <zazeem> et is still soundless did u guys read the url?
[01:11] <popey> squeaky, the config for grub is in /etc/grub
[01:11] <eddie303> thanks, there is no snd-pcm-oss, what to do? I modified modprobe.conf in /etc as it is written on alsaproject.org, I copied it even in modules.conf. There IS sound, just OSS emulation is the problem
[01:11] <crimsun> eddie303: sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[01:11] <popey> zazeem, do you get sound in frozen bubble (game)
[01:11] <zazeem> where that game
[01:11] <popey> the menu
[01:11] <popey> the "games" menu
[01:11] <zazeem> not in there
[01:11] <popey> jeez,
[01:12] <crimsun> eddie303: don't modify /etc/modprobe.conf
[01:12] <crimsun> eddie303: Ubuntu configures that for you.
[01:12] <kent> popey, i think i have tried pwc with both of them.
[01:12] <eddie303> thanks
[01:12] <zazeem> i dont have sound in the robot one
[01:12] <popey> kent, I had to pass speciic parameters to the pwc module to get it to work
[01:13] <popey> kent, rmmod pwc && modprobe pwc compression=3 fps=5
[01:13] <rempresent> how do you force remove a directory
[01:13] <rempresent> ?
[01:13] <popey> kent, or something like that iirc
[01:13] <popey> rempresent, rm -r
[01:14] <eddie303> Now it has sound, thank you very much. Also, has somebody any idea, how to get mplayer to work on Ubuntu?
[01:14] <popey> eddie303, check the guide mentioned in the topic, it tells you
[01:14] <kent> popey, i tried it now with the quickcam express and got nothing. will try it with the webcam nx, but i think that one needs other drivers than pwc.
[01:15] <Bandit> ns register tdi123 hoy@hotmail.com
[01:15] <popey> hmmm
[01:15] <Bandit> oops
[01:15] <popey> hehehe
[01:15] <llamakc> heh
[01:15] <Bandit> :)
[01:16] <Bandit> damm name is registered anyway
[01:16] <melazyboy2> rempresent: rm -rf
[01:16] <squeaky> can i access grub from windows?
[01:16] <popey> Bandit, and now your hotmail account is locked! :D
[01:17] <Bandit> not a real one anyway :)
[01:17] <squeaky> what do you mean?
[01:17] <popey> well you wouldn't be able to register then would you..
[01:17] <Bandit> sure you can
[01:17] <squeaky> how?
[01:17] <squeaky> cause i can't get to the linux partition
[01:18] <squeaky> at least not from my computer
[01:18] <tandy> can anyone help me out with changing the startup use for mysql
[01:18] <tandy> use==user
[01:19] <eddie303> squeaky, you will get to the Linux partition with tootal Commander and its ext2fs plugin, but as I know, it only reads linux partitions, i.e. you cant modify Grub parameters
[01:19] <Bandit> well this hoary seems to be more solid then people would have you believe :)
[01:20] <llamakc> hoary is running great for me too
[01:20] <llamakc> new convert as of today from Sid
[01:20] <zazeem> llamakc can u help me
[01:20] <Guardiann> as well for me
[01:20] <zazeem> someone said i need sound packs and cant find in syn
[01:21] <zazeem> mad sound pack or something
[01:21] <zazeem> and another one
[01:21] <zazeem> anyone know where
[01:21] <Guardiann> zazeem what are you trying to play music in
[01:21] <squeaky> oooo
[01:21] <zazeem> umm
[01:21] <llamakc> you are using warty right? just installed from the install cd today?
[01:21] <squeaky> cause i haven't gotten into linux as of yet
[01:21] <zazeem> yes
[01:21] <squeaky> i've installed linux prolly 15 times as of now
[01:21] <llamakc> do you know how to search for packages in synaptic yet?
[01:21] <squeaky> but yes
[01:21] <squeaky> i did today
[01:21] <zazeem> in totem movie player
[01:21] <squeaky> nope
[01:22] <zazeem> me?
[01:22] <squeaky> i have no idea what synaptic is
[01:22] <llamakc> sorry, yeah zazeem
[01:22] <Guardiann> why not try xmms
[01:22] <zazeem> ya
[01:22] <zazeem> i think
[01:22] <zazeem> im in it now
[01:22] <Guardiann> do you get sound when you log in
[01:22] <squeaky> um...how do i fix this
[01:23] <squeaky> grub i think isn't accessing what should be (i think) hdb
[01:23] <zazeem> ya i havnt
[01:23] <zazeem> i cant find it
[01:23] <llamakc> uhm ok
[01:23] <zazeem> gstreamer0.8-mad?
[01:23] <zazeem> :- ()
[01:23] <squeaky> ??
[01:24] <Guardiann> zazeem do you have sound when you log in
[01:24] <zazeem> ?
[01:24] <zazeem> yes
[01:24] <zazeem> and hear it still from msn and aim
[01:24] <rempresent> how do you guys post posters so that you can do a paste dump of informatoin that you are trying to show
[01:24] <llamakc> zazeem, run `sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad`
[01:24] <Guardiann> are you in xmms now
[01:24] <zazeem> xmms?
[01:24] <Guardiann> first do as llamakc asks
[01:25] <squeaky> can someone help?
[01:25] <CreeVal> with what?
[01:25] <stuNNed> what are our choices of text browser in ubuntu?
[01:25] <crimsun> rempresent: pastebin.c{a,om}, #flood, ...
[01:25] <eddie303> squeaky, priv pls
[01:25] <zazeem> Password:
[01:25] <zazeem> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:25] <zazeem> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:25] <zazeem> ?
[01:25] <squeaky> yea
[01:25] <crimsun> stuNNed: links, w3m, lynx, ...
[01:25] <zazeem> o i was in syn
[01:25] <popey> zazeem, you really REALLY need to read the guide
[01:26] <Guardiann> :)
[01:26] <crimsun> rempresent: http://pastebin.ca, http://pastebin.com, #flood
[01:26] <zazeem> did
[01:26] <CreeVal> www.ubuntuguide.org ...
[01:26] <popey> zazeem, you would know why you get that error then
[01:26] <Guardiann> zazeem you have been fixing this for 7hrs now :) just like I did
[01:26] <zazeem> it says e:couldnt find the package for gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:26] <zazeem> lol ya
[01:26] <crimsun> zazeem: did you enable the 'universe' repo?
[01:26] <zazeem> ?
[01:26] <zazeem> no
[01:27] <CreeVal> then you should do so...
[01:27] <crimsun> zazeem: then do so, update, and install 'gstreamer0.8-mad'.
[01:27] <Guardiann> zazeem go to www.ubuntuguide.org and take a look
[01:27] <CreeVal> God idea
[01:27] <popey> sheesh
[01:27] <CreeVal> Was just thinking the same...
[01:27] <Guardiann> its very easy to follow
[01:28] <CreeVal> It is infact extremly easy to follow...
[01:28] <zazeem> very hard to follow
[01:28] <zazeem> lol
[01:28] <rempresent> i want to change my theme of my ubuntu, i want it to look more like the vlc player or a MAC OS X look
[01:28] <rempresent> does anyone know where i can snag one
[01:29] <CreeVal> Hmmm... Well searching for Gnome themes would be step 1...
[01:29] <crimsun> rempresent: freshmeat.net, themedepot.org, ...
[01:29] <ErikHK> how do i configurate my apache2, installed by apt-get install apache2 with PHP? I have php4 installed, also via apt-get install php4
[01:31] <zazeem> will this work? chmod 755 /dev/audio /dev/dsp* /dev/sequencer
[01:31] <llamakc> you need the libapache module
[01:31] <llamakc> for php
[01:31] <Guardiann> zazeem did the guide tell you to do that?
[01:31] <llamakc> libapache2-mod-php4
[01:31] <zazeem> no got it on deja.com for enemy territory
[01:31] <zazeem> lol
[01:31] <CreeVal> For Gnome 2.x i chose themes for GTK 2.x right?
[01:31] <zazeem> guide doesnt say audio mp3 stuff
[01:32] <Guardiann> it tells you how to add the sources
[01:32] <Guardiann> one of the first lines
[01:32] <llamakc> zazeem i told you like 3 times
[01:32] <gort_> where are the session *.desktop files in ubuntu?
[01:32] <llamakc> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/talkback/1104544141/view?searchterm=mp3
[01:32] <ErikHK> llamakc: what do I do after that? thanks!
[01:32] <thully> oin #ubuntu-devel
[01:32] <llamakc> /usr/share/xsession
[01:32] <gort_> they where in /etc/X11/dm/Sessions in FC3
[01:32] <thully> sorry about that
[01:32] <gort_> thanks
[01:32] <zazeem> o
[01:32] <zazeem> thnx
[01:33] <CreeVal> For Gnome 2.x themes i choose themes for GTK 2.x right?(@ themedepot.org)
[01:33] <jesse_132> hi, I have a MX900 bluetooth mouse that I am trying to use, when I do hcitool --connect (bluetooth address) I get the bluez-pin dialog ... but when I type in the default "1234" password, I get "cannot create HID control channel" ... anyone have any idea what this means?
[01:33] <zazeem> Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:33] <zazeem> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[01:33] <zazeem> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:34] <zazeem> :/
[01:34] <Guardiann> zazeem add the sources first
[01:34] <CreeVal> and you have selected univers under reps in synaptic?
[01:34] <thully> zazeem: and press reload after that
[01:35] <zazeem> sources?
[01:35] <stuNNed> crimsun: can you dcc me /etc/Muttrc that ships with mutt?
[01:35] <popey> zazeem, please.. read the damn guide
[01:35] <CreeVal> haha...
[01:35] <zazeem> im trying
[01:35] <popey> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories  <--- specifically that bit!
[01:36] <Guardiann> in the guide zazeem unser REPOSITORIES item #1
[01:36] <zazeem> o ok
[01:36] <zazeem> thnx
[01:36] <CreeVal> For Gnome 2.x themes i choose themes for GTK 2.x right?(@ themedepot.org)
[01:36] <Guardiann> yw
[01:37] <popey> zazeem, then http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[01:38] <zazeem> dont get how to update
[01:39] <zazeem> whats uncomment
[01:39] <Guardiann> delete the #
[01:39] <Guardiann> from the start of the line
[01:39] <zazeem> k
[01:39] <Guardiann> make sure you save
[01:39] <zazeem> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted in xsole?
[01:39] <zazeem> save what
[01:40] <Guardiann> after you change that file save it
[01:40] <popey> the file what you are currently editing
[01:40] <Guardiann> :)
[01:40] <llamakc> i don't think he is editing it
[01:40] <zazeem> im not editing anything
[01:40] <Guardiann> great
[01:40] <popey> ok..
[01:40] <CreeVal> superb...
[01:40] <Guardiann> lol
[01:40] <zazeem> makes 0 sense
[01:41] <zazeem> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted in console?
[01:41] <CreeVal> Nope...
[01:41] <llamakc> no
[01:41] <popey> zazeem, which bit of this doesn't make sense.. exactly...
[01:41] <popey> 1 Read General Notes
[01:41] <zazeem> where to go to update
[01:41] <popey> 2 sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
[01:41] <popey> 3 sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:41] <popey> which of them?
[01:41] <popey> exactly?
[01:41] <CreeVal> And i know what you can do... format and install Windows... It's not your time yet...
[01:42] <CreeVal> @ zazeem...
[01:42] <zazeem> dunno what anything is im as confused as a raped llama
[01:42] <popey> ..we'll come for you when we're ready..
[01:42] <llamakc> that isn't funny
[01:42] <popey> ok, step one
[01:42] <Guardiann> lol a raped llama
[01:42] <llamakc> for me
[01:42] <zazeem> lol
[01:42] <popey> did you read the General Notes?
[01:42] <llamakc> damn i just got raped
[01:42] <zazeem> yes
[01:42] <zazeem> wtf does that mean
[01:42] <Guardiann> amazing
[01:42] <popey> wtf does what mean?
[01:42] <popey> can you actually read?
[01:43] <zazeem> yes but
[01:43] <llamakc> there is a catch
[01:43] <popey> rather than say "it makes no sense" TELL US which bit!
[01:43] <Guardiann> see you guys in awhile happy ubuntuing :)
[01:43] <popey> I am trying to bleed a stone here
[01:43] <zazeem> To download file, right click on the link -> select "Save Link As..." -> make sure file name and extension are correct what file do i need?
[01:43] <mitch__> how do you install a GTK theme?
[01:43] <popey> where does it say you need to
[01:43] <llamakc> zazeem open a console
[01:44] <eyequeue> i'm doing an evangelical install, and have a question
[01:44] <zazeem> k
[01:44] <popey> it just tells you HOW to IF you need to
[01:44] <zazeem> opened
[01:44] <popey> they are after all "general notes"
[01:44] <lupus_> http://www.jokefrog.com/flash/llama-song.shtml
[01:44] <zazeem> o i c
[01:44] <llamakc> copy/paste the next thing i type
[01:44] <lupus_> sorry :)
[01:44] <popey> i know what this is going to be..
[01:44] <llamakc> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:44] <eyequeue> with grub, is there a way to *only* have the boot menu if a key is pressed in a certain number of seconds (like there is with lilo)
[01:44] <popey> llamakc, that wont work!
[01:44] <popey> he hasn't updated his repositories
[01:44] <llamakc> oh, the universe. doh
[01:44] <eyequeue> s/menu/menu displayed/
[01:45] <popey> which is what I'm attempting to get him  to do
[01:45] <zazeem> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:45] <llamakc> ok
[01:45] <llamakc> once more in a console
[01:45] <popey> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories  zazeem follow those instructions!
[01:45] <zazeem> well i dont understand from what i read how to update them
[01:45] <zazeem> k
[01:45] <llamakc> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:45] <popey> just type what it says!
[01:45] <zazeem> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:45] <popey> see, llamakc is copying and pasting from the guide.. just as you should do
[01:45] <jamin> Is there an installer to install ubuntu from the Live CD
[01:46] <mitch__> how do you install a GTK theme?
[01:46] <eyequeue> jamin:  no, use the isntall cd instead
[01:46] <snowblink> mitch__: computer->desktop pref->theme
[01:46] <jamin> oh ok.
[01:46] <ozan> hi, can someone tell me where to find alsaconf for ubuntu. i looked in packages but couldn't find.
[01:46] <syn-ack> I return.
[01:47] <mitch__> how do I install a different one? I have downloaded one, but how do I install it?
[01:47] <zazeem> k im in it
[01:47] <LinuxJones> ozan, it's not included
[01:47] <popey> mikael, is there an install button..
[01:47] <mitch__> I went to install them, chose the tgz
[01:47] <mitch__> but it did not show up
[01:47] <popey> zazeem, what does step 3 say?
[01:47] <zazeem> ozan?
[01:47] <ozan> can i use debian's?
[01:47] <llamakc> apt-cache show alsa-utils
[01:47] <zazeem> ozz from et?
[01:47] <llamakc> it is in there
[01:47] <zazeem> keya?
[01:48] <llamakc> zazeem pay attention
[01:48] <popey> oi zazeem back on track
[01:48] <ozan> ok :)
[01:48] <PhilAway> can anyone help me with installing FLUXBOX on my ubuntu machine ?
[01:48] <ozan> ty
[01:48] <zazeem> k i found it
[01:48] <zazeem> step 3
[01:48] <zazeem> lol
[01:48] <snowblink> mitch__: press theme details
[01:48] <popey> jeez, these younguns are easily distracted
[01:48] <popey> ok, step 4..
[01:48] <eddie303> apt-get install fluxbox ?
[01:48] <popey> copy/paste this lines in
[01:48] <rempresent> ok, i have some new themes
[01:49] <PhilAway> eddie303 : didn't find the package
[01:49] <ironwolf> has anyone gotten dpkg-buildpackage to work with openoffice.org on hoary?  It's giving me "Error 65280 ..." Where do I look next?
[01:49] <zazeem> wtf
[01:49] <LinuxJones> PhilAway, you need to add the universe repository
[01:49] <popey> zazeem, we cannot see your screen
[01:49] <zazeem> so i copy over 3's lines with 4's?
[01:50] <eddie303> PhilAway, pls. wait a bit
[01:50] <popey> add the lines from section 4
[01:50] <zazeem> add ok
[01:50] <PhilAway> eddie303 : ok, thanks
[01:50] <syn-ack> DanC_amd, sure it does.
[01:50] <syn-ack> DanC_amd, thats all kernel stuff there.
[01:50] <rempresent> can anyone help me install new themes
[01:50] <popey> zazeem, the only lines you need to add are the ones starting "deb" and "deb-src"
[01:50] <DanC_amd> umm... so how do I invoke it, syn-ack?
[01:51] <syn-ack> DanC_amd, Im not too sure, I was reading a HOWTO on how to do it when I was running Gentoo, but Im still not that ambitous
[01:51] <CreeVal> rempresent:Was gonna ask the same but zazeem is taking all of the attention here :P
[01:51] <DanC_amd> I don't see any menu options for sleep. I looked at the command-line acpi stuff a little, but I'm not sure how to use it.
[01:51] <popey> DanC_amd, I dont think it does work out of the box
[01:51] <zazeem> k done
[01:51] <syn-ack> DanC_amd, Google is your friend.
[01:52] <popey> you need to do some magic first
[01:52] <popey> zazeem, saved?
[01:52] <zazeem> yup
[01:52] <popey> step 6
[01:52] <popey> do taht
[01:52] <snowblink> CreeVal, rempresent: what problems with themes?
[01:52] <CreeVal> installing them? :S
[01:52] <CreeVal> :P
[01:52] <CreeVal> howto?
[01:52] <rempresent> general installion guidance for me
[01:52] <snowblink> CreeVal: computer->Desktop pref-> Theme
[01:52] <DanC_amd> [[  'echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep' works for me ] ] 
[01:52] <DanC_amd> (quoting)
[01:52] <rempresent> were do i store the themes
[01:52] <CreeVal> done
[01:53] <raphael_> hi ppl, i have just upgrade my ubuntu64 from warty to hoary and its very nice! =)
[01:53] <CreeVal> yeah...
[01:53] <popey> rempresent, I am certain there are docs on the gnome website about themes and how to install
[01:53] <eddie303> PhilAway, please add ubuntu universe repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:53] <ozan> alsa-utils is installed but still can't find alsaconf... i have 2 sounds card here and i want to make the second one default... how can i do this?
[01:53] <zazeem> zazeem@workgroup:~ $ sudo apt-get update
[01:53] <zazeem> E: Type 'eb' is not known on line 20 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:53] <zazeem> zazeem@workgroup:~ $
[01:53] <CreeVal> popey, will check...
[01:53] <snowblink> CreeVal, rempresent: Press Theme Details
[01:53] <popey> zazeem, you screwed up the file, check line 20
[01:53] <zazeem> k
[01:53] <popey> you missed a "d" off "deb"
[01:53] <CreeVal> snowblink: done
[01:53] <PhilAway> yeah, I'm trying to. the archives.ubuntu.com url isn't in my sources.list file
[01:53] <syn-ack> zazeem, I thought that was fairly obvious.
[01:53] <LinuxJones> ozan, there is info on that @ the alsa website
[01:54] <LinuxJones> ozan, let me see if I can help find it for you
[01:54] <eddie303> PhilAway, I mean uncomment the lines beginning with # and ending with universe, then run apt-get update, then apt-get install fluxbox
[01:54] <CreeVal> Ok ive got it working :)
[01:54] <popey> DanC_amd, do you want to suspend to disk or just sleep?
[01:54] <zazeem> was i suposed to get rid of the # signs?
[01:54] <CreeVal> thx snowblink...
[01:54] <popey> zazeem, no
[01:54] <zazeem> k
[01:54] <zazeem> hmm says same thing
[01:55] <popey> did you edit the file and save it?
[01:55] <popey> check line 20
[01:55] <zazeem> ya
[01:55] <zazeem> but
[01:55] <zazeem> i copied and pasted from the site
[01:55] <PhilAway> eddie303 : I know what you mean, but I have to manually type in those lines, because they're not there with me..It's probably because I installed half debian and half ubuntu :p
[01:55] <popey> check it tho
[01:55] <popey> you missed a d off the start of line 20, I guarantee it
[01:55] <zazeem> all deb things suposed to have # signs/
[01:55] <zazeem> ?
[01:55] <syn-ack> PhilAway, Why? thats not a good thing.
[01:55] <popey> no
[01:55] <popey> look at step 4
[01:55] <popey> thats what it shold look like
[01:55] <popey> exactly like that
[01:56] <ironwolf> install theme appears to still be bork'd in hoary.  Perhaps sometime soon it'll work again.
[01:56] <snowblink> CreeVal, rempresent: Apart from icons (which requires you to move files) you should be able to install what you downloaded.
[01:56] <snowblink> rempresent: store themes?
[01:56] <PhilAway> syn-ack  : don't ask me why
[01:56] <PhilAway> lol
[01:56] <PhilAway> it just happened
[01:56] <zazeem> its just a blank space
[01:56] <eddie303> PhilAway, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[01:56] <eddie303> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[01:56] <CreeVal> snowblink: Have gotten it to work now... Thx man :)
[01:56] <PhilAway> ok
[01:56] <syn-ack> PhilAway, fix that sources/list and and apt-get update it.
[01:56] <PhilAway> yeah
[01:56] <syn-ack> sources.list too
[01:57] <popey> zazeem, does your file look exactly like step 4?
[01:57] <zazeem> the whole thing?
[01:57] <zazeem> dunno
[01:57] <ycco> crimsun: you back bud?  (or still away)
[01:57] <popey> just delete it all and copy paste that lot in over and save
[01:57] <popey> yes
[01:57] <zazeem> lemme check
[01:57] <ycco> crimsun: was just wondering about that ltconf tool you were checking into for me last week (I think it was)
[01:57] <snowblink> rempresent, CreeVal: sorry wireless playing up - did you work out the themes?
[01:58] <CreeVal> snowblink: Yes... it works... :) Thx... :)
[01:58] <rempresent> yeah, i don't know when i extract the files to send them to the orginal area where the themes would be located
[01:58] <llamakc> put your themes in ~/.themes and icons in ~/.icons
[01:58] <PhilAway> eddie303 : ok, no I updated the sources.list
[01:58] <PhilAway> now I'll do the apt-get
[01:58] <zazeem> k it worked <3 u pop
[01:59] <PhilAway> I hade to update the apt-get first
[01:59] <LinuxJones> ozan, you still there ?
[01:59] <zazeem> popey
[01:59] <zazeem> it worked
[01:59] <eddie303> PhilAway, if you have migrated from Debian, I don't think you need more explanation, I am a newcomer to Deb-based distros, not you
[01:59] <popey> of course it did
[01:59] <zazeem> lol
[01:59] <snarky> hey all
[01:59] <LinuxJones> ozan, >> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/273857
[01:59] <zazeem> what do i type for soud pack?
[02:00] <ycco> LinuxJones: I'm here if you need someone with a nick that starts with the letter o
[02:00] <ycco> LinuxJones:
[02:00] <popey> zazeem, http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[02:00] <popey> see that section
[02:00] <PhilAway> eddie303 : hehe, I didn't migrate..It's a long story..But let's just say I'm a noob :)
[02:00] <ycco> oh, I'm logged in here as ycco, and not occy. ;)
[02:00] <ycco> hehe
[02:00] <popey> two lines, nice and easy
[02:00] <snarky> i know this question is extremely n00biish, so i apologize, how can i get xorg instead of xfree as my x?
[02:00] <ozan> oh, ok man thx
[02:00] <popey> snarky, hoary has xorg i believe
[02:01] <llamakc> you gotta move to hoary
[02:01] <ironwolf> snarky: upgrade to hoary. :)
[02:01] <qcompson> how do I run hardware detection again... I just put in a new graphics card, and it works and all, but old card is still listed in xorg.conf... should I just change it manually?
[02:01] <eyequeue> snarky:  simple answer, wait until april
[02:01] <snarky> ironwolf: can i just get xorg instead of all of it?
[02:01] <popey> DanC_amd, good find!
[02:01] <cafuego> qcompson: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:01] <LinuxJones> ycco, :D
[02:01] <zazeem> not seeing codecs
[02:01] <snarky> eyequeue: well xfree doesn't work well with my monitor
[02:01] <eyequeue> snarky:  hoary is the development branch, which will release as the stable branch in april
[02:01] <ironwolf> snarky: not that I've tried.
[02:01] <snarky> eyequeue: i understand
[02:01] <popey> zazeem, ?
[02:02] <ycco> jdub: where can I get the ubuntu font, and maybe a high-res version of the Ubuntu logo?
[02:02] <snarky> ironwolf: is hoary stable enough to use as a non testing desktop (i know its unstable)
[02:02] <eyequeue> snarky:  you're free to try it now, but expect it to change daily and break at times
[02:02] <zazeem> dont see codec section
[02:02] <ycco> jdub: :)
[02:02] <popey> http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[02:02] <ycco> actually, heh, that's a stupid question, I can just use the background you gave me I reckon.
[02:02] <popey> the first line says... "Q: How to install Multimedia Codecs?"
[02:02] <mrjt> quick question - are there prebuilt ATI Radeon X driver packages available for a standard Warty install?
[02:02] <popey> Do you read web pages with your eyes shut or something?
[02:02] <eyequeue> snarky:  even if it were perfect at this moment, there's no guarantee that it wouldn't eat your data horribly tomorrow
[02:02] <cafuego> mrjt: yes.
[02:02] <zazeem> o i c
[02:02] <zazeem> LOL
[02:02] <snowblink> speaking of backgrounds, I wonder what next month's ubuntu calendar will be
[02:03] <cafuego> mrjt: kernel-modules-restricted or somesuch
[02:03] <jdub> ycco: ubuntu logo (text and device) on the website in svg format, there is no font (unfortunately, a horrible decision by the design firm)
[02:03] <jdub> snowblink: your mum.
[02:03] <zazeem> no the link u sent just sent me to normal page
[02:03] <eyequeue> snowblink:  i've wondered that as well
[02:03] <zazeem> i had to add #codecs
[02:03] <snarky> eyequeue: but i can't just take one package from hoary, like i saw a howto to do that for mplayer
[02:03] <ycco> jdub: :(  Maybe someone (heh, some insane person) should develop an Ubuntu font.
[02:03] <popey> http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs <- that
[02:03] <snarky> eyequeue: which is obviously very different from X
[02:03] <cafuego> jdub: it's be pretty easy to trace the image in fontographer and have a partial font file.
[02:03] <zazeem> fuck ya
[02:03] <zazeem> works
[02:03] <popey> again
[02:03] <jdub> cafuego: sure, but that's not as useful as having an actual corporate face.
[02:04] <ycco> zazeem: watch you languageu please
[02:04] <popey> "of course"
[02:04] <zazeem> geniouses
[02:04] <ycco> zazeem: language even.
[02:04] <popey> sonny, learned a lesson there eh? follow the damn guide!
[02:04] <mrjt> cafuego: do I need another repository line in my apt-get sources list for that?
[02:04] <diego> what are the things i need to watch out for when imaging a ubuntu install?
[02:04] <ycco> jdub: danke
[02:04] <popey> right, thats an hour of my life I'll never have a again
[02:04] <cafuego> jdub: Well, from the letters we have, it'd not be hard to create a full set of 26 (plus ?!.-)
[02:04] <popey> good night
[02:04] <qcompson> cafuego: thanks
[02:04] <ycco> cafuego: you know how to make fonts?
[02:05] <ycco> cafuego: like ttf version?
[02:05] <cafuego> ycco: Yeah. On Windows or MacOS, anyway.
[02:05] <cafuego> ycco: TTF or Postscript.
[02:05] <ErikHK> anyone knows how to fix so apache is on /home/erik instead of /var/www ??
[02:05] <ycco> cafuego: I'd be willing to give feedback on it while you work on it.  (as a sounding board)
[02:05] <cafuego> ycco: You use a font creation application. Simply draw paths, export as font, done.
[02:05] <Peter> ubuntu recognizes my dvdrw drive, but wont let me write to cdrs
[02:05] <Peter> any ideas?
[02:06] <eyequeue> snarky:  "one" package may or may not be possible, but something like x is rather dramatic, and would affect many packages, i would think
[02:06] <ycco> cafuego: and help you with ideas here and there with letter suggestions.
[02:06] <ycco> eeek
[02:06] <ycco> power is fluxing'
[02:06] <snarky> eyequeue: yeah
[02:06] <ycco> We've had an ice storm.
[02:06] <cafuego> ErikHK: Edir the apache config file. See DocumentRoot
[02:06] <ycco> and trees have been falling all over the place.
[02:06] <eyequeue> snarky:  to answer literally though, yes, one pacakge is sometimes possible, if it was built against libraries from warty, not libraries from hoary
[02:06] <cafuego> ycco: You're assuming I'm going to donate time to actually create a font <heh>
[02:06] <ycco> cafuego: occy@occy.net  (i'm normally logged on as occy fwiw:   occy.net  )
[02:06] <ErikHK> cafuego: whick one? i have apache2 so its a hell lot of .conf-files! :P
[02:07] <ycco> cafuego: hah, yes, indeed, I did make that assumption. :)
[02:07] <zazeem> lol
[02:07] <zazeem> o sorry
[02:07] <Peter> i get the error not a valid location when i enter'nautilus applications:///Internet'
[02:07] <cafuego> ErikHK: Oh. /etc/apache/sites-enabled/0default
[02:07] <Peter> any idea why
[02:07] <cafuego> ycco: It's not *hard* to do it, it's *time consuming*
[02:08] <ycco> cafuego: well, You've got my info for help and input should you choose to do it. :)
[02:08] <ErikHK> cafuego, thank u BIG TIME! :P
[02:08] <ycco> cafuego: two heads are better than one on any project IMHO.
[02:08] <cafuego> ycco: that depends on the project <heh>
[02:09] <ycco> cafuego: I guess we'd also have to get approval from jdub (and the Ubuntu people) before it would be allowed to be distro'ed with Ubuntu.
[02:09] <ycco> so... that is a consideration too.
[02:09] <zazeem> gnight pops
[02:09] <jdub> cafuego: making a good typeface is extraordinarily hard.
[02:09] <mitch__> sorry i need help again, how do I download FireFox 1.0 through Apt-Get?
[02:09] <mitch__> I only see 0.9.3
[02:09] <cafuego> ycco: I see no (r) or [tm]  anywhere
[02:09] <ycco> You wouldn't want to work so hard on something, as a font, for it not to get included.
[02:09] <ycco> cafuego: You the release manager for Ubuntu?
[02:09] <ycco> heh
[02:09] <ycco> cafuego: Don't think it's getting in otherwise.
[02:09] <ycco> :)
[02:10] <cafuego> jdub: Yeah. it's not hard to make a simple one for scaling on logos &c though.
[02:10] <mitch__> sorry i need help again, how do I download FireFox 1.0 through Apt-Get?
[02:10] <mitch__> sorry i need help again, how do I download FireFox 1.0 through Apt-Get?
[02:10] <mitch__> I only see 0.9.3
[02:11] <LinuxJones> mitch__, download and install from the mozilla website
[02:11] <ycco> jdub: how married is Ubuntu to that font as a brand?  (fairly tightly married I'd assume -- unless you want to trash a bunch of previous branding work)
[02:11] <Arricka> I installed Gnucash from synaptic package mngr but I can't find it in applications or filesystem<usr<bin. does anybody know where it went?
[02:11] <mitch__> i asked to do it from Apt-get
[02:11] <mitch__> besides going to Hoary
[02:11] <LinuxJones> mitch__, it's much easier to do from the website
[02:12] <LinuxJones> mitch__, if your moving up to Hoary it will be waiting for you
[02:12] <mitch__> LinuxJones, if i go to the wbesite and install it
[02:12] <mitch__> it wont me in Synaptic
[02:12] <jdub> cafuego: we have the logo and device in vector formats
[02:12] <LinuxJones> mitch__, it's in Hoary so your current version will be upgraded to 1.0 in Hoary
[02:13] <mitch__> didnt feel like updating to hoary.
[02:13] <jdub> ycco: if we switched to something similar very soon (*not* arial rounded), we could get away with it
[02:13] <mitch__> but if i must.....
[02:13] <cafuego> jdub: That makes creating a TTF even easier ;-)
[02:13] <LinuxJones> mitch__, sorry I thought you just said you were upgrading
[02:14] <mitch__> nah, didnt feel like it,.... isnt there ... like ... a way i can download it
[02:14] <ycco> jdub: right, you don't want to get "BIG" (which Ubuntu WILL), and then have to change your branding.
[02:14] <mitch__> like there should be something similar to gentoo, throw it in a masked section or somethingn
[02:14] <mitch__> i dont feel like updating the whole sys right now
[02:14] <LinuxJones> mitch__, search for the .debs on apt-get.org
[02:14] <mitch__> ahhh
[02:14] <ycco> jdub: course, Ubuntu could work through it.  If you have a good enough product, you can change your branding and it ain't gonna matter.
[02:14] <mitch__> that would be it - thanks
[02:15] <LinuxJones> mitch__, you can use pinning but more work :D
[02:15] <ycco> jdub: if you need any help with that, let me know.  I worked on the VA Logo with Garrett :)
[02:15] <ycco> Just trying to pitch in where I can.
[02:16] <syn-ack> Gnome 2.9 is starting to get real tight with the intergration... nice nice
[02:16] <pwky> mitch__, check out the sources.list on ubuntuguide.org, it has a backport source for warty
[02:16] <pwky> (which includes firefox 1.0)
[02:17] <ycco> syn-ack: yeah?
[02:17] <jdub> please don't use backports
[02:17] <syn-ack> heh
[02:17] <jdub> they will adversely affect your ability to upgrade
[02:17] <snarky> how do you get the mp3 plugin for rhythmbox?
[02:17] <syn-ack> snarky, there is a howto on the wiki for that..
[02:17] <jdub> and the more people using backports means more misdirected bugs when people attempt to upgrade
[02:18] <snarky> syn-ack: okay thanks
[02:18] <jdub> and more developers crying themselves to sleep
[02:18] <ycco> jdub: what about things that currently aren't in Multiverse or Universe?  Is it ok then to use backports?
[02:18] <pwky> jdub, oh, really?  Okay - I won't recommend that again, then.
[02:18] <gort_> ok i have another BASIC question, i with to hadd CVSROOT to my environment, where do I put it?
[02:18] <ycco> or did I miss the meaning of backports.
[02:18] <ycco> :)
[02:18] <mjt> gort_: ~/.profile ? or ~/.bash_profile?
[02:18] <jdub> ycco: the backports i've seen so far have been packaged without an understanding of how debian-based systems work
[02:18] <LinuxJones> snarky, gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:19] <gort_> i tried adding export CVSROOT=.... to .bash_profile
[02:19] <gort_> no luck
[02:19] <ycco> jdub: Crimsum <-- seems to have a clue though. n'est pas?
[02:19] <ycco> heh
[02:19] <ficusplanet> My cursor - on a dell trackpad - seems to be moving very erratically (it jumps around a lot as I'm moving it.  Is there any way to fine tune this?
[02:19] <ycco> crimsun: errr
[02:19] <ycco> crimsun
[02:19] <jdub> ycco: hrm?
[02:19] <ycco> I can't type.
[02:19] <moyogo> gort_: did you reload .bash_profile?
[02:19] <gort_> how do you "reload" it?
[02:20] <gort_> i closed all the terminals
[02:20] <ycco> jdub: ignore me, I probably don't know what I'm talking about.  Don't want to waste your brain cells on my mis-information.
[02:20] <rempresent> my computer shut down automatically last night without me knowing why, where can i find that information?
[02:20] <gort_> and fired oone back up
[02:20] <moyogo> gort_: close and open an new terminal, or use 'source .bash_profile'
[02:20] <ycco> heh
[02:20] <moyogo> gort_: ah... dunno then
[02:20] <gort_> so the export command should go in .bash_profile or .bashrc?
[02:21] <pwky> rempresent, type 'last' at a prompt, may give an indication of when the machine rebooted - then have a sift through /var/logs to see what happened around that time
[02:21] <gort_> .bashrc did the trick
[02:22] <mitch__> ok i just edited /etc/apt/sources.list - changed crap from warty to hoary - can i just run apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade while logged in gentoo, or do I need to log out of gnome and go to a failsafe terminal?
[02:22] <eddie303> bye
[02:22] <LinuxJones> gort_, bash_profile will work if you have logged out then back in again
[02:22] <lupus_> damn running beagle running for the first time
[02:22] <rempresent> ok
[02:22] <lupus_> index takes a long time :(
[02:22] <mitch__> gentoo = gnmoe sorry ive been doing other things while setting up ubuntu
[02:22] <llamakc> you can just source .bash_profile instead of logging out
[02:22] <gort_> thanks LinuxJones
[02:22] <moyogo> what are the options for different input methods on ubuntu? anybody using them?
[02:23] <LinuxJones> gort_, :)
[02:23] <rempresent> but that sound like a lot of work for just finding out what went wrong with my computer
[02:23] <gort_> lupus_, good luck
[02:23] <rempresent> ...
[02:23] <moyogo> i'm confused between SCIM, IIMF and whatnot
[02:23] <mitch__> so do i need to log out of gnome to apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade or not
[02:23] <gort_> i just installed ubutu (used to run FC3) and immediately upgraded to hoary
[02:23] <ycco> eeek
[02:23] <ycco> another tree fell
[02:24] <moyogo> mitch__: no, you can do that in gnome
[02:24] <mitch__> awesome
[02:24] <gort_> so bear with me on the stupid stuff
[02:24] <moyogo> gort_: welcome to ubuntu
[02:25] <Arricka> I installed Gnucash from synaptic package mngr but I can't find it in applications or filesystem<usr<bin. does anybody know where I can find it?
[02:25] <gort_> thanks moyogo
[02:25] <bitfoo> slocate gnucash
[02:25] <bitfoo> :O
[02:25] <bitfoo> anyone hear use warty and gdesklets
[02:26] <cafuego> Arricka: dpkg -L gnucash | grep bin
[02:26] <gort_> are many *-devel packages installed by default?
[02:26] <gort_> and are gcc and other compiling stuff?
[02:26] <gort_> i need to get a jump on jhbuild
[02:27] <LinuxJones> gort_, gort_, there are no dev stuff by default
[02:27] <jdub> gort_: none, but you've got gnome 2.9 already ;)
[02:27] <moyogo> gort_: install build-essential, it has gcc and others
[02:27] <LinuxJones> my grammar good
[02:28] <gort_> i see that synaptic says that i have gcc-3.3 and 3.4 (base) installed , do i need to have gcc-3.3 and gcc-3.4?
[02:28] <sj> so.. mm.. how hard is it to get resier4 working on Ubuntu without making the apt database totally out of synch? ;/
[02:28] <gort_> what do you mean by "build essential" i see no section in my synaptic
[02:29] <jdub> gort_: install the package called 'build-essential'
[02:29] <lupus_> pff
[02:29] <lupus_> still beagle is scanning :)
[02:29] <gort_> ahhh i see it is a package that points to a list of packages...
[02:30] <gort_> i am learning
[02:30] <joker__> anybody here know how to get a usb keyboard working?
[02:30] <mjt> joker__: just plug in it, no? ;)
[02:30] <joker__> Nope
[02:30] <Arricka> cafuego: could you translate that for me? My brother is the techie guy that installed Ubuntu on my computer.
[02:30] <lupus_> lsusb?
[02:31] <defendguin> jdub, will jhbuild work for someone on FreeBSD?
[02:31] <joker__> and what does lsusb mean?
[02:31] <mjt> joker__: if you have ubuntu system properly installed (with hotplug), it should just work
[02:31] <gort_> i saw that there are 2 config files for the X server XF86... and xorg.conf
[02:31] <gort_> one is used for gdm loging andt he other for sessions?
[02:31] <mjt> xserver in hoary uses xorg.conf
[02:31] <lupus_> lsusb in console shows your usb devices
[02:31] <joker__> ah ok
[02:32] <mjt> the one in warty (it was xfree86) uses XF86config
[02:32] <gort_> i think the XF86...file is used by the gdm
[02:32] <mjt> gdm should not use either of them
[02:32] <delltony> what is  a good dvd player for linux?
[02:32] <llamakc> xorg will read XF86Config-4 if present
[02:32] <gort_> i had to change some display settings to get the screen on login to look nice
[02:32] <mjt> llamakc: yes but if there's no xorg.conf present
[02:32] <gort_> just changing the xorg.conf didn't help
[02:33] <gort_> i had to change XF86Config-4 to get the gdm screen to look as it should
[02:33] <chintu504> hi guys
[02:33] <llamakc> hey 504
[02:33] <gort_> my this be a bug, or just an artifact of upgrading to hoary
[02:33] <chintu504> yeah
[02:33] <chintu504> tell me
[02:33] <joker__> lsusb doesn't tell me anything
[02:33] <mjt> gort_: which xserver do you use when?  if it's xorg, just remove xf86config (i think)
[02:34] <gort_> mjt, i have no idea, i just let the system decide
[02:34] <gort_> oh well, it is working now
[02:35] <rempresent> hey, i have been hearing about 3d-desktop and i want to install the source for it, how would i go about that
[02:38] <moyogo> rempresent: apt-get source 3ddesktop
[02:38] <moyogo> rempresent: or get the source from the 3ddesktop website
[02:39] <lupus_> is ther a way to see which process is eating all the I/O of the Harddrive?
[02:39] <bitfoo> how do you install a deb file
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> dpkg -i foo.deb
[02:40] <ErikHK> why do u always type foo as "anything" ??
[02:41] <lupus_> anythong sometimes is a commando ? :)
[02:41] <jdub> ErikHK: it's a common metasyntactic variable.
[02:41] <lupus_> hmm thong :P must be late ;)
[02:42] <ErikHK> jdub: ok!
[02:42] <bitfoo> how can i add this place as a repository? http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/python/
[02:42] <bitfoo> or actually
[02:42] <bitfoo> only install certain parts of it :|
[02:42] <lupus_> put in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:42] <lupus_> deb http...
[02:43] <lupus_> sudo apt-get update
[02:43] <ErikHK> or just type sudo synaptic
[02:43] <ErikHK> to do it in a GUI ;)
[02:43] <lupus_> :)
[02:43] <bitfoo> thats it? dont have to put universe or none of that?
[02:43] <lupus_> "
[02:43] <larson9999> hello
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: universe is another repository
[02:44] <eyequeue> man this warty install takes forever on this box :(
[02:44] <galder> Good night
[02:44] <larson9999> trying this out. not so bad so far.
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: what are you actually trying to acheive
[02:45] <galder> I have installed ubuntu in a computer, but I have not realized of what password I have set for root, is there any way of setting a new password? Thank you
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> galder: there is no password for root
[02:45] <rempresent> i want to install the right video card drivers for my ATI Radeon 9800Pro 256MB
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> galder: you can use 'sudo' to run things as root
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> it will ask you for your password
[02:46] <galder> ajam
[02:46] <galder> ok
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> if you want a shall you can run 'sudo -s'
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> *shell
[02:46] <bitfoo> HrdwrBoB, trying to install python2.4 on warty
[02:46] <bitfoo> from hoary :|
[02:46] <mitch__> how do I make my Playstation2 Logitech Headset work on Ubuntu?
[02:46] <galder> Thanks HrdwrBoB, so the password will be set when I use it
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: tbh the best thing to do would be to change your sources to hoary, then install python 2.4
[02:47] <eyequeue> HrdwrBoB:  does 'sudo -s' differ much from 'sudo bash' ?
[02:47] <galder> I will seek information about that in Google
[02:47] <bitfoo> hmm :/
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> galder: no, there is no root password
[02:47] <galder> thanks
[02:47] <galder> sudo mount -a
[02:47] <mitch__> how do I make my Playstation2 Logitech Headset work on Ubuntu?
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> eyequeue: I don't think so
[02:47] <ErikHK> gnight
[02:48] <galder> thanks
[02:48] <mitch__> i got it to work on WInXP, but how do you get it to work on Ubuntu?
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> erm, what does it do?
[02:48] <jdub> 30958 jdub      15   0  865m 609m 5004 S  3.3 80.4   0:17.37 mono
[02:48] <jdub> :-)
[02:49] <bitfoo> -f install will break everything eh
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: not necessarily but a broken system is not usually a good thing
[02:49] <bitfoo> meh i can wait :/
[02:50] <gilles> i tried to install ubuntu on a friend's computer, it didn't work, it said there was not enough room in the har drive, despite that i gave hime 10 GB!!!!
[02:50] <gilles> that was my first time trying ubuntu
[02:50] <gort_> strange, there is no gkrellm package in ubuntu
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> gilles: are you sure it was 10gb?
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> 1gb will not be enough
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> 10gb is plenty
[02:50] <gilles> so, i feel really deceived
[02:51] <bitfoo> there is gort :|
[02:51] <LinuxJones> gilles, sure you didn't accidentally make 1 gig of space available ?
[02:51] <bitfoo> gort_, it might be in universe or multiverse :O
[02:51] <melazyboy2> ... HrdwrBoB he probably partitioned it wrong and sent the install into what he thought was the swap or something of the like
[02:51] <bitfoo> all i know is im running it
[02:51] <gilles> HrdwrBoB: yes, i was sure of it
[02:51] <gort_> bitfoo, what does universe/multiverse mean?
[02:51] <randabis> nonsupported programs
[02:51] <bitfoo> yeh
[02:51] <bitfoo> 3rd party
[02:52] <bitfoo> if you edit /etc/apt/sources.list you should see two lines that you can uncomment out to access universe
[02:52] <randabis> you don't file bugs for those to bugzilla for instance
[02:52] <bitfoo> then sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get install gkrellm
[02:52] <bitfoo> :|
[02:52] <gilles> i first deleted all the previous partition (there was a debian on it) except windows, and let him partition automatically the 10 GB
[02:52] <gort_> bitfoo, is it like 'extras' in FC3 (not really supported)
[02:52] <eruin> anyone here use berlios.de ?
[02:52] <bitfoo> umm i dunno but it sounds like it
[02:53] <gort_> bitfoo, i am using synaptic, and it is working well
[02:53] <gort_> so if a package is in universe / multiverse it is NOT in the over default repos?
[02:53] <bitfoo> right
[02:54] <gilles> i'll try again..
[02:54] <gort_> ok, i was just concerned that a "newer" package in universe / mulitverese might be selected for upgrade....
[02:54] <mitch__> i got it to work on WInXP, but how do you get it to work on Ubuntu?
[02:54] <mitch__> how do I make my Playstation2 Logitech Headset work on Ubuntu?
[02:55] <gort_> what is the difference bewteen a deb and a deb-src repository?
[02:55] <larson9999> mitch__ are you trying to get kicked?
[02:55] <llamakc> mitch__: this is an USB based headset right?
[02:55] <mitch__> no
[02:55] <mitch__> yes
[02:55] <randabis> one contains source, one contains precompiled software
[02:55] <moyogo> mitch__: doesn't seem like anybody knows
[02:55] <jdub> gort_: deb-src is sources, deb is binaries
[02:55] <gort_> ok
[02:55] <Arricka> I tried installing a program through synaptic and it said I need to insert the ubuntu 4.10 cd. Can I do it without the cd?
[02:55] <larson9999> mitch__ we heard you the first 20 times.
[02:55] <gilles> when was ubuntu created ?
[02:55] <bitfoo> mitch maybe you can get it to work using wine :|
[02:56] <gort_> obvious i guess, but i am new to debian/ubuntu (former FC3 user)
[02:56] <bitfoo> oop
[02:56] <randabis> gilles first "gold" version was released october 2004
[02:56] <jdub> gilles: started around march last year, first public preview was september.
[02:56] <gilles> so it's very new
[02:57] <randabis> yes, not a bad thing though by any means
[02:57] <llamakc> mitch__: http://saintaardvarkthecarpeted.com/blog/index.php?m=20041128
[02:57] <gilles> is it planned to have an installer as nice as this of mandrake ?
[02:57] <randabis> your problems were most likely user error
[02:57] <llamakc> that bl0g got it running
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> Arricka: yes
[02:57] <randabis> gilles not until the next october release at the earliest
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> Arricka: as long as you have the internet sources listed
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> Arricka: remove the cdrom source if you're not useing it
[02:58] <randabis> that is, if you mean a graphical installer
[02:58] <randabis> The ncurses installer is pretty simple imho
[02:59] <gilles> randabis: so, ubuntu would have a nice graphic installer before debian...
[02:59] <randabis> ubuntu will have A LOT of stuff before debian...lol
[02:59] <bitfoo> wow wtf 100%cpu :|
[02:59] <bitfoo> gkrellm reports :|
[03:00] <randabis> it's just differences in philosophy
[03:00] <bitfoo> ack i have a rogue nano process :O
[03:00] <Arricka> Hrdwrbob:nothing is in my cd drive, if thats what you mean. My brother installed Ubuntu so I need lots of help.
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> Arricka: if you're in synaptic settings-> repositories
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> you can disable the cdrom entry
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> and it won't ask you again
[03:01] <gilles> randabis: what are those differences ?
[03:01] <randabis> fgi
[03:02] <bitfoo> fuhgeddaboutit :O
[03:02] <Arricka> Hrdwrbob: did that. Now will it work?
[03:02] <gilles> is ubuntu optimized for kde or gnome, or not especially optimized for one or the other ?
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> Arricka: it should
[03:02] <robertj> giles: gnome
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> gilles: ubuntu only supports GNOME
[03:02] <bitfoo> David the Gnome
[03:02] <bitfoo> :|
[03:02] <toojays> i'm considering moving from gentoo to ubuntu . . . can someone point me to where i can find ubuntu package changelogs online?
[03:03] <gilles> can i have gnome in chinese under ubuntu ?
[03:03] <bitfoo> sure
[03:03] <mebaran151> hey
[03:04] <gilles> my debian "testing" is well configured, should i still move to ubuntu ?
[03:04] <mebaran151> any of you guys know a plugin to play mpeg4 under totem-gstreamer
[03:04] <mebaran151> I dont want totem xine
[03:04] <mebaran151> and I already have xmms / mplayer
[03:04] <mebaran151> but I would like to use totem
[03:04] <mebaran151> so that I can have a really cool gnome based system
[03:04] <mebaran151> I have a whole bunch of DivX
[03:04] <veritas> heh, noob question...Can you literally dual boot two OS's, like run windows and ubuntu at the same time?
[03:04] <mebaran151> veritas: no
[03:04] <randabis> toojays, I think this is the closest thing...not sure if it has changelogs
[03:04] <randabis> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[03:04] <HrdwrBoB> veritas: 'dual boot' means one or the other
[03:05] <bretzel> Hi ... Who is running hoary ( from betas :  January 20 )
[03:05] <mebaran151> the kernels would sort of kill each other
[03:05] <bitfoo> gilles, why dont you just try the livecd :|
[03:05] <LinuxJones> mebaran151, install w32codec
[03:05] <mebaran151> you cant run protected mode memory I wouldnt think
[03:05] <HrdwrBoB> veritas: what you're referring to is 'duel' booting ;)
[03:05] <veritas> rofl
[03:05] <mebaran151> LinuxJones: I am on AMD64
[03:05] <gilles> bitfoo: i didn't know... i'll try it then...
[03:05] <mebaran151> so the w32codecs dont actually run
[03:05] <bitfoo> you can run them at the same time :|
[03:05] <LinuxJones> mebaran151, ohh
[03:05] <veritas> HrdwrBoB: i c
[03:05] <bitfoo> vmware :D
[03:05] <bitfoo> run windows in linux! rawr.
[03:05] <mebaran151> I was wondering if you could integrate mplayer
[03:05] <mebaran151> or the libavcodecs
[03:05] <veritas> only reason i run windows is to play counter-strike:)
[03:05] <kent> what is the windoews opposite to gnome netmeating? is it just called "netmeating"?
[03:05] <bretzel> No one running haory ???
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> veritas: you know counterstrike runs in linux
[03:06] <mebaran151> or the ffmpeg codecs
[03:06] <mebaran151> or something
[03:06] <randabis> I'm running hoary
[03:06] <bitfoo> new counterstrike runs on cedega :/
[03:06] <bitfoo> or something
[03:06] <mebaran151> there are a bunch of opensource codecs
[03:06] <mebaran151> that will decode mpeg4 and DivX
[03:06] <gilles> but there's already knoppix... why doing another livecd ?
[03:06] <bitfoo> im not sorry bretzel :|
[03:06] <mebaran151> why cant I integrate them in totem
[03:06] <toojays> randabis: thanks, i'll check it out
[03:06] <bretzel> ah hi randabis you are lucky :-)
[03:06] <bitfoo> gilles, i just suggested it so you can try it and see if you like ubuntu :|
[03:06] <bretzel> me no :-(
[03:06] <LinuxJones> gilles, knoppix used KDE Ubuntu uses Gnome
[03:06] <randabis> bretzel heh, it's on 3 systems here in fact
[03:07] <gilles> ok, i prefer gnome
[03:07] <bitfoo> bretzel, i run warty since hoary is not as laptop friendly :/
[03:07] <bitfoo> at least now :O
[03:07] <randabis> I have hoary running fine on an old laptop...
[03:07] <tritium> bitfoo, hoary has better power management
[03:07] <bitfoo> my laptop is brand new :|
[03:07] <bitfoo> yeh my power management is crap though
[03:07] <mebaran151> anyway to integrate it
[03:07] <bretzel> I've installed array 3 -- dunoo what that means ... but date January 20'th -- no luck messed up totally. cannot fix xorg/grub scrap
[03:07] <bitfoo> asus fucked up the bios coding so no matter how good it gets it will never work right :O
[03:08] <veritas> whats wrong with asus mobos....ive got the a7n8x
[03:08] <randabis> bretzel weird, array 3 worked with my sister's box
[03:08] <toojays> randabis: yes,  http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ has changelogs, it is exactly what i am looking for, thanks alot
[03:08] <randabis> veritas, nothing really. It just comes down to brand perferences I think
[03:09] <bitfoo> veritas, its a laptop, its different :|
[03:09] <gort_> is the hoary-update apt repo down atm?
[03:09] <bitfoo> their desktop mobos are great ;O
[03:09] <randabis> toojyas, not a problem
[03:09] <mike998> warty runs well on my laptop
[03:09] <bitfoo> yes me too :|
[03:09] <melazyboy2> anyone using 2.6.110rc2-mm2 with fglrx yet?
[03:09] <bitfoo> i could fix it but i dont know how to patch and recompile kernel
[03:09] <randabis> gort_ do you mean hoary-updates? that will be down until hoary goes gold
[03:09] <bretzel> randabis: at grub install stage, progress not pass 33% and stay there, and in expert mode, managed to install lilo, bas-config screwed up... xorg uninstallable: error in postins script fonts not installable ...
[03:09] <Necrosan_> How do I compile a kernel module for ubuntu? I keep getting bad magic errors.
[03:10] <Necrosan_> (OR do any of you have spca50x.ko compiled?)
[03:10] <randabis> Necrosan you generally need the build-essential package, and the kernel headers for your running kernel
[03:10] <melazyboy2> Necrosan_: depends read the readme =/
[03:10] <mike998> does anyone have the dell i8k monitors working?
[03:10] <Necrosan_> randabis, it's bitching because im not using the compiler that built the kernel.
[03:10] <randabis> bretzel weird, wish I could help ya there
[03:11] <robertj> hsa there been any more talk about the hardware database?
[03:11] <melazyboy2> then you generally issue a series of commands to make, sometimes after you patch the module =/
[03:11] <randabis> Not sure, I don't compile much software
[03:11] <gort_> randabis, oh... my newbieness is showing
[03:11] <bretzel> randabis: manually ran xorgconfig, ok - even nvidia-glx. Fonts aren't installable unfound anywhere... fontconfig does nothing what a mess for me :-(
[03:11] <randabis> nasty
[03:11] <mebaran151> did you try reinstalling fontconfig
[03:11] <mebaran151> sometimes that forces it to register all the fonts
[03:11] <bitfoo> hoary in march or april :|
[03:11] <mebaran151> and reinstall the xfonts
[03:12] <randabis> gort_ it's okay, I was wondering about that myself when I first installed hoary and noticed errors when I uncommented that.
[03:12] <FAST> linux has come a long way since the last time i've toyed with it........ redhat 5.2!
[03:12] <bretzel> yes tried remove/install for all these: xserver-xorg, fontconfig; gdm... no luck
[03:12] <bitfoo> where is the boot log :O
[03:12] <randabis> bretzel only thing I can suggest is making a bug report at bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:12] <bitfoo> with all the [OK] 
[03:13] <randabis> it would be good for them to know about your problems so they can be fixed
[03:13] <FAST> can someone recommend a way for me to configure the sound cards?   i did a 'man esd' and it recommends 'esd-config', but it's not installed, and i haven't seen the package available
[03:13] <FAST> (btw, i have 2 sound cards on the computer. 1 hooked up to amp for mp3 playback)
[03:14] <bretzel> there is an error in the xserver-xorg post-install script: one of vars aren't getiing a value that causes the shell syntax error ( empty var )
[03:14] <randabis> FAST try the esound-clients package
[03:15] <kent> is netmeeting on XP in the program menu? i dont have windows, and need a friend to start it. can some one help me on how to explain to my friend?
[03:15] <randabis> Should be in the accessories --> networking menu I think
[03:15] <robertj> kent: I dont think it is
[03:15] <randabis> haven't used windows in a while
[03:15] <robertj> I think if you do help and search for netmeeting there is a run neetmeeting option
[03:15] <bretzel> randabis: bugreport at ubuntu ... it is all I can do...
[03:16] <bitfoo> wait why does hoary have better power support.  the kernel? or something else
[03:16] <FAST> randabis> where do i obtain esound-clients? i don't see it in the synaptic package manager  (bit of a newbie here)
[03:16] <randabis> FAST you might need universe and multiverse enabled
[03:16] <kent> hmm, how do i use netmeeting now. im running gnome netmeeting, and my friend netmeeting. Do one of us just enter the other persons ip?
[03:16] <randabis> Probably
[03:17] <rempresent> i need to run a shell script with UBUNTU, how do i go about it... my shell script is called check.sh
[03:17] <FAST> randabis> could you tell me where to enable them?
[03:17] <randabis> rempresent sh check.sh
[03:17] <Magitek> hmm I'm newbie to linux :P got it running ok but need to share internet connection...can anyone assist me here please? ehehh
[03:17] <rempresent> it worked!  Thanks!
[03:18] <randabis> FAST Synaptic, Settings --> Repositories --> place a checkmark next to the entries not checked
[03:18] <randabis> Then, you need to click reload
[03:18] <FAST> excellent, thanks
[03:19] <randabis> you'll have a lot more software to choose from now
[03:20] <FAST> killer. found esound-clients, installing now
[03:21] <Magitek> please? :)
[03:21] <LinuxJones> Magitek, >> http://www.linuxcompatible.org/thread1444-1.html
[03:21] <Magitek> linuxjones everything there? I'll take a look thanks
[03:23] <FAST> randabis> now that esound-clients is installed, where do i go to configure which audio card should be used/etc ?
[03:24] <randabis> I don't know, haven't used the package, just read the description and thought it might be able to help you
[03:24] <rempresent> ok, i am trying to install a new video driver for my ubuntu system. i check the version of x that i have and i downloaded the right rpm.. now what?
[03:24] <randabis> why don't you just use the driver packages ubuntu already provides?
[03:24] <FAST> i looked at the files installed by the package, but it doesn't look like there is any configuration utility included :\
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> rempresent: you don't need an rpm, and you can't (really) use rpms with ubuntu
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> rempresent: what is your video card
[03:25] <rempresent> i was told to install the right video driver so that i could get the 3d desktopt to work properly
[03:25] <rempresent> ati 9800pro
[03:25] <randabis> you can get the driver you need within synaptic or apt
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> you want to install the ati gflrx drivers
[03:25] <cutterjohn> hey guys, want to install xconw package, but get: xconq:
[03:25] <cutterjohn>  Depends: xconq-common but it is not installable
[03:25] <rempresent> ok
[03:25] <cutterjohn> is this a bug reportable thing?
[03:26] <rempresent> do i use synaptic for that
[03:26] <cutterjohn> (powerpc)
[03:26] <rempresent> ?
[03:26] <bitfoo> fglrx :|
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> rempresent: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:26] <cutterjohn> (warty)
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> that page tells you how to install the ATI drivers for your video card
[03:26] <cutterjohn> (er btw this is xconqueror)
[03:26] <rempresent> thanks!
[03:27] <cutterjohn> (strategy wargame)
[03:27] <randabis> ubuntu is currently number one on distrowatch's monthly tallies
[03:27] <randabis> :)
[03:27] <cutterjohn> (pretty uncommon AFAIK)
[03:28] <cutterjohn> (this is a FUBAR AFAIC)
[03:28] <cutterjohn> no comments?
[03:29] <cutterjohn> any harpoon players?
[03:29] <melazyboy2> ive been trying to install the ATI drivers now for a week
[03:29] <melazyboy2> give up
[03:29] <melazyboy2> its not worth the time =/
[03:29] <cafuego> whee
[03:29] <occy> w00p.  I did a cheesy Ubuntu background.
[03:29] <occy> heh
[03:29] <Stereotype> ATI *nix support blows. get nVidia.;-) It's getting better though I hear.
[03:29] <cutterjohn> any diplomacy players?
[03:29] <cafuego> occy: I'm about to email you a file.
[03:29] <occy> cafuego: yah?  right on... fire that sucker off.
[03:30] <FAST> randabis> i don't believe ubuntu configured my sound properly. there is 1 integrated intel audio device, and an addition pci sound card on this computer. neither are getting any sound...
[03:30] <cutterjohn> or just a bunch of fsckersz?
[03:30] <cafuego> occy: Sent.
[03:30] <occy> checking.
[03:30] <gort_> i am trying to install  sun-j2re1.5 via synaptic,,,,, and it says that it is "uninstallable"
[03:30] <gort_> wtf?
[03:31] <piratePenguin> I'm compiling wine, and it seems like I need /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Intrinsic.h, which I don't have, even though I've installed the libx11-dev package ... how am I gonna get it? btw, don't flame me for compiling wine
[03:31] <cutterjohn> anyone? anyone?
[03:31] <cutterjohn> bueler? bueler?
[03:31] <piratePenguin> gort_: theres a howto on installing java on the wiki
[03:31] <gort_> thanks
[03:32] <gort_> so no java in the apt repos?
[03:32] <cafuego> gort_: You need to fetch the j2re1.5 ..bin from sun. then use java-package on it.
[03:32] <cutterjohn> l8r fsckers
[03:32] <cafuego> occy: Received.
[03:32] <occy> cafuego: got it.
[03:32] <occy> cafuego: let me put that sucker in ~/.fonts
[03:32] <cafuego> it's got a 'b', an 'n', a 't', an 'u' and a [tm] .
[03:33] <cafuego> occy: all lowecase.
[03:33] <randabis> gort www.ubuntuguide.org has a good guide for getting java working
[03:33] <cafuego> occy: it's a VERY rough import.
[03:34] <Safari_Al> occy!
[03:34] <Safari_Al> how goes it, bro?
[03:35] <occy> Safari_Al: heyaz bubba ;)
[03:35] <occy> cafuego: yah, was going to say.  But it's a start. :)
[03:35] <cafuego> I did a dirwct import, as opposed to a smooth trace.
[03:36] <Magitek> I'ts not working yet...I'll explain whats up here! I use a ADSL connection through eth0, that is also my network adapter. Yes, both network and internet come through the same NIC...although I have a ppp0 interface. I need to share my ppp0 with my eth0 so that the other clients have access to the internet as well as I do
[03:36] <occy> cafuego: ahh... I like it.
[03:36] <occy> just need to make it ultra-clean.  And oh, say .... work on other letters and stuff. :)
[03:37] <stuNNed> anyone use mutt?
[03:37] <occy> Safari_Al: did my Marathon.
[03:37] <occy> Safari_Al: occy.net (My Training Blog)
[03:37] <occy> Safari_Al: right side.
[03:37] <hypatia> stuNNed: I use mutt.
[03:37] <decklin> stuNNed: probably.
[03:37] <occy> Safari_Al: now I'm training for an Ironman.
[03:37] <cafuego> occy: wtf needs other letters?
[03:37] <Safari_Al> occy, nice one.  how did the thon go?
[03:37] <occy> 2.4 mile swim, 112 mile bike ride, 26.2 mile run in under 17hours.
[03:37] <occy> cafuego: :)
[03:38] <Safari_Al> occy, woah!  new layout.
[03:38] <piratePenguin> anyone here compiled wine before?
[03:38] <rempresent> does anyone know of a good wifi channel that will help me with the installation of my wifi card
[03:38] <occy> Safari_Al: that's not until the 5th of November though.
[03:38] <occy> cafuego: yah, we really need a full-on "ubuntu" font.
[03:38] <Safari_Al> occy, lots of time to prepare then.
[03:38] <occy> cafuego: with other letters and such.
[03:38] <Safari_Al> occy, tr.openmonkey.com/files/images/ubuntuubuntu.jpg :)
[03:38] <occy> Safari_Al: it seems that way, but it'll be here soon enough.
[03:38] <occy> Safari_Al: lemme lookie
[03:39] <occy> Safari_Al: OMG!#@%#%
[03:39] <bitfoo> rempresent, ubuntu didnt get it?
[03:39] <occy> that's awesome.
[03:39] <Safari_Al> occy, that is what I have been doing at work lately :>
[03:40] <occy> Safari_Al: heh, too bad you live in .au  I'd say get me a job.
[03:40] <occy> Safari_Al: well, actually, we'll move there if we had a job :)
[03:40] <rempresent> i am not that sure, how would i go about that
[03:40] <bitfoo> thats a lot of ubuntus :|
[03:40] <Safari_Al> occy, we'll be looking for someone soon :)
[03:40] <cafuego> Where's that work?
[03:40] <occy> Safari_Al: occy.net/resume
[03:40] <Safari_Al> cafuego, adelaide, south australia
[03:40] <occy> Safari_Al: :)
[03:40] <stuNNed> hypatia: can you send me ubuntu's default /etc/Muttrc please?
[03:40] <cafuego> Safari_Al: Yes, your hostmakes made me figure as much. Which company, I mean <heh>
[03:40] <Safari_Al> occy, I'll keep you in the loop, if you like.
[03:41] <hypatia> stuNNed: OK.
[03:41] <cafuego> s/hostmakes/hostmask/
[03:41] <stuNNed> hypatia: thanks!
[03:41] <bitfoo> itd be nice if you could netinstall ubuntu :O
[03:41] <melazyboy2> Does anyone know where I can get an fglrx src patch for 2.6.11rc2mm2? greatly appreciated
[03:41] <cafuego> bitfoo: I have a netboot warty setup on the NFS server here.
[03:42] <Magitek> so, anyone can help?
[03:42] <bitfoo> no i meant like a 30mb baic install, and it grabs the rest :|
[03:43] <cafuego> bitfoo: Oh, just use the debian netinst and make the sources.list point at your local ubuntu mirror
[03:43] <occy> cafuego: I could try and do a few mockups of other fonts if you are interested, or if you think it would help.
[03:43] <cafuego> occy: fonts or glyphs?
[03:43] <occy> cafuego: you could give me a few letters to work on.
[03:43] <occy> cafuego: something other than u b n t
[03:43] <bitfoo> :O
[03:44] <occy> cafuego: I could start with a e and r   (so I could write my name ;)   trae
[03:44] <occy> heh
[03:44] <cafuego> occy: By all means.
[03:46] <bitfoo> w00t
[03:46] <bitfoo> ?
[03:46] <bitfoo> :|
[03:47] <bitfoo> did you read that cool ipod hack :|
[03:47] <melazyboy2> yea
[03:47] <melazyboy2> that was v. impressive
[03:47] <melazyboy2> not quite as impressive as getting the ATI drivers to work
[03:47] <melazyboy2> but it was up there
[03:47] <bitfoo> i dunno
[03:47] <bitfoo> if you can install ati drivers by sound i would be more impressed :|
[03:48] <melazyboy2> ... if you can install ati drivers at all i would already have reached the cap of any positive impression.
[03:49] <bitfoo> ?
[03:49] <bitfoo> do
[03:49] <CikguXML> hello
[03:49] <bitfoo> apt-cache search fglrx
[03:49] <bitfoo> then install either the xorg ones for hoary or xfree86 for warty
[03:49] <bitfoo> :|
[03:49] <melazyboy2> bitfoo: won't work on a custom kernel
[03:49] <bitfoo> o
[03:49] <bitfoo> compile? ;P
[03:49] <melazyboy2> bitfoo: won't work on a custom kernel
[03:50] <bitfoo> why not :|
[03:50] <cutterjohn> xconq package is broken for ppc on warty 4.10 as xconq-common package is unavaiable! grrr... too many broken packages outside of supported for ppc
[03:50] <melazyboy2> don't know i didn't write the drivers im just trying to nigger rig them to work
[03:50] <mebaran151> anyone gotten an nforce adapter to dhcp
[03:51] <melazyboy2> bitfoo: there is a problem with 2.6.10 in agpgart so i got 2.6.11-rc2-mm2, and there is no patch available for that.
[03:51] <bitfoo> oh i have 2.6.10 :|
[03:51] <bitfoo> and am running fglrx :|
[03:51] <cutterjohn> (because of unsupported auxilliary packages!!!!)
[03:51] <melazyboy2> ... ubuntu probably reverse patched 2.6.10 from 2.6.11 or your not  using agpgart
[03:52] <cutterjohn> (which SHOULD have no arch dependencies!!! grrr!!!)
[03:52] <bitfoo> how do i know if i am using it :|
[03:52] <melazyboy2> i had a series of funky problems when not using agpgart, i figured this would be easier both are just as useless
[03:52] <direwolf> is there a backup utility in ubuntu?
[03:52] <bitfoo> bitfoo@horus:/var/log $ lsmod|grep agp
[03:52] <bitfoo> intel_agp              22588  1
[03:52] <bitfoo> agpgart                34600  1 intel_agp
[03:52] <bitfoo> bitfoo@horus:/var/log $ uname -r
[03:52] <bitfoo> 2.6.10-2-686
[03:52] <bitfoo> :|
[03:52] <cutterjohn> (esp  considering I inderpendently tracked down xconq while using YDL and built it!)
[03:53] <ProjectMayhem> hey all
[03:53] <bitfoo> the first rule of project mayhem
[03:53] <bitfoo> :|
[03:53] <ProjectMayhem> is don't ask questions
[03:53] <melazyboy2> bitfoo: add the line Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no" in xorg.conf, under your device/driver 'fglrx' stanza
[03:53] <ProjectMayhem> unfortunately, i'm a noob, so i might be asking a few questions
[03:53] <bitfoo> melazyboy2, im using xfree86 :/
[03:53] <bitfoo> on warty :|
[03:54] <bitfoo> with 2.6.10
[03:54] <bitfoo> :|
[03:54] <cutterjohn> (damn, I WISH that Harpoon 3 would be ported to linux...)\
[03:54] <bitfoo> is that a game?
[03:54] <melazyboy2> bitfoo: =/ i still woudlen't imagine that it would work, you would have erors in your dmesg if it did work and it would be flaky, it doesn't really matter much if you use AGPGART or not just if you get it to work
[03:54] <cutterjohn> (or strategic conquest...)
[03:55] <melazyboy2> bitfoo: it didn't work w/ or wo/ it for me
[03:55] <cutterjohn> (or best both...)
[03:55] <ProjectMayhem> ok guys first question... this is gonna sound realllllly really bad... how do i install a program?
[03:55] <cutterjohn> er.. synaptic?
[03:55] <bitfoo> well how do i know if it works :O
[03:55] <ProjectMayhem> yeah, from the desktop menu?
[03:55] <cutterjohn> or dpkg -i <pkg_name>
[03:55] <melazyboy2> sudo apt-get install, or synaptic, aptitude, sources, etc
[03:56] <cutterjohn> }:)
[03:56] <ProjectMayhem> ok, dumb question number two: how do i access command line interface?
[03:56] <cutterjohn> (I give up...)
[03:56] <melazyboy2> hold winkey hit r, type xterm
[03:56] <ProjectMayhem> (sorry, i'm REALLY really new to this all...)
[03:57] <cutterjohn> ProjectMayhem: go to computer menu, slect synaptic from System Configurationmenu
[03:57] <melazyboy2> or right click on desktop hit open terminal
[03:57] <ProjectMayhem> thank tahnks
[03:57] <cutterjohn> ProjectMayhem: control-F to find your program, then use menu or SPACE BAR to slect it..
[03:58] <bitfoo> melazyboy2, how can i test to see if agpgart is working bud :|
[03:58] <cutterjohn> ProjectMayhem: then go to it
[03:58] <cutterjohn> grggs!!!! Xconqueror broken! grrrrr!
[03:58] <melazyboy2> bitfoo: if your kernel is older than one week, its not.
[03:58] <cutterjohn> ...must break package management!
[03:59] <melazyboy2> bitfoo: see change notes for 2.6.11rc2 for more info =/
[03:59] <bitfoo> melazyboy2, i dont even know wtf it is lol :|
[03:59] <cutterjohn> (again!!!!)
[03:59] <ProjectMayhem> thanks everyone, i'm just trying to get a hold of the basics before i install tomorrow... i've been testing out the live CD bersion the past two nights
[03:59] <cutterjohn> ProjectMayhem: package installl will NOT work with livecd
[03:59] <ProjectMayhem> yeah i know
[03:59] <cutterjohn> k
[03:59] <ProjectMayhem> i'm just trying to get a feel for how to add programs
[04:00] <ProjectMayhem> so i can get skype, plugins for mozilla, etc. etc.
[04:00] <jdub> you can install stuff on the livecd
[04:00] <jdub> just run synaptic :)
[04:00] <melazyboy2> bitfoo: let me make your linux experiene pleasent -- almost never will everything work all the time, when it does, don't upgrade, cat /dev/zero > /usr/share/apt
[04:00] <cutterjohn> ProjectMayhem: dunno, I;m on powerpc arch, so Im extremely limited with multimedia support...
[04:01] <cutterjohn> (...and other stuff! grrr... Xcconqueror!!!! grrr!!!)
[04:01] <bitfoo> ?
[04:01] <bitfoo> :|
[04:01] <cutterjohn> (grrr!!!!)
[04:01] <ProjectMayhem> anyone read slashdot today?
[04:01] <melazyboy2> aucutally that should have read cat /dev/zero > /usr/bin/apt-get
[04:01] <melazyboy2> =/
[04:01] <bitfoo> yes :|
[04:01] <cutterjohn> (half-fscked powrpc support! grrrrrr!!!!!)
[04:02] <ProjectMayhem> sorry to get off topic, but did anyone see about the supercomputer talking about the dark matter?
[04:02] <bitfoo> the zBox ?
[04:02] <cutterjohn> wtf?
[04:02] <ProjectMayhem> and how a wave of the dark matter would pass through the solar system with GAMMA RADIATION???
[04:02] <ProjectMayhem> that sounds bad...
[04:02] <cutterjohn> wtf?
[04:02] <ProjectMayhem> sorry anyways
[04:02] <cutterjohn> wtf?
[04:02] <ProjectMayhem> back to linux
[04:02] <ProjectMayhem> www.slashdot.org
[04:02] <bitfoo> the zBox
[04:02] <bitfoo> :O
[04:02] <ProjectMayhem> yeah
[04:02] <cutterjohn> wtf?
[04:02] <bitfoo> its just a computer :/
[04:03] <bitfoo> rawr
[04:03] <cutterjohn> (must build better and stronger xconqueror port...)
[04:03] <chippa> hey everyone, i've just installed ubuntu and the latest ati drivers.
[04:03] <cutterjohn> ($6M xconqueror port...)
[04:04] <chippa> i've got 3d working,but my screen is bigger than the laptop screen. like the res is too high. what is doing that?
[04:04] <cutterjohn> (...and faster port...)
[04:04] <cutterjohn> (of course Ive not seen the current port actually owkring so Ill have to guess at speed...)
[04:05] <ProjectMayhem> hey all thanks for the help
[04:05] <ProjectMayhem> peace
[04:05] <cutterjohn> (grrr... fsck!!!! grrrr !!!!)
[04:05] <bitfoo> what is xconqueror
[04:05] <cutterjohn> strategy wargame!
[04:06] <cutterjohn> like empire...
[04:06] <cutterjohn> ...but better...
[04:06] <mebaran151> can gstreamer integrate mpeg4
[04:06] <cutterjohn> ..with a half-a--ed powerpc port, no xconq-commonq req package! grrrr!
[04:07] <cutterjohn> ...only missing Harpoon3 port if we have xconq...
[04:07] <bitfoo> empire ?
[04:07] <cutterjohn> (Harpoon == naval strategy war game, use at Anappolis)
[04:07] <bitfoo> is it like checkers
[04:08] <mike998> cutterjohn: nothing on google
[04:08] <bitfoo> i'll kick your ass in checkers :|
[04:08] <cutterjohn> bitfoo: fsck, checkers != strategy
[04:08] <bitfoo> :(
[04:08] <cutterjohn> mike998: took me quite a bit of digginfg to fin d it while using YellowDog Linux!
[04:09] <bitfoo> where do themes go for firefox?
[04:09] <cutterjohn> mike998:on some RedHat employees pseudo personal page
[04:09] <bitfoo> i want to put in a new one :|
[04:09] <mike998> ahhh i see
[04:09] <mike998> i have been looking for a couple of decent games for a while....
[04:09] <mike998> i miss windows for gaming only
[04:09] <cutterjohn> mike998: but its a VERY old game in even internet years...
[04:10] <bitfoo> mike998, get enemy territory
[04:10] <bitfoo> its free :|
[04:10] <bitfoo> or buy neverwinter nights :/
[04:10] <bitfoo> or umm :|
[04:10] <cutterjohn> mike998: do you play Harpoon?
[04:10] <bitfoo> www.linux-gamers.net
[04:10] <mike998> bitfoo: have tried linuxgamers... and by enemy territory do you mean rtcw multiplayer?
[04:10] <Lee__> for gaming I'd highly recommend cedega: http://www.transgaming.com
[04:11] <bitfoo> well rtcw had multiplayer
[04:11] <bitfoo> its like the sequel, but they only made multiplayer :/
[04:11] <bitfoo> but it is still a few years old :O
[04:11] <mike998> Lee__:I;'ve already installed cedega but am having problems with the sound
[04:11] <cutterjohn> bitfoo mike998 ah all thos FPS are ONLY good for MP...
[04:11] <Lee__> I have 1/2 life 2 working with a Debian installation. It's a bit slow.
[04:11] <mike998> otherwise it works quite well.... i have had elite force running
[04:11] <bitfoo> heh
[04:11] <Lee__> mike998: how's your sound for other apps?
[04:12] <cutterjohn> bitfoo mike998 I play Halflife TFC/DoD low grav at Frenchy's pit...
[04:12] <mike998> Lee__: works well... no issues
[04:12] <bitfoo> i dont play hl2 :|
[04:12] <bitfoo> i dont like steam so i didnt buy it :|
[04:12] <cutterjohn> bitfoo mike998 haliflife 1
[04:12] <mike998> I have low speed internet so no multiplayer stuff for me!
[04:12] <cutterjohn> bitfoo mike998 er.., halflife1
[04:13] <mike998> cutterjohn: tried halflife... loved it
[04:13] <Lee__> weird. Anyway, I'm installing Ubuntu on a laptop with a PCMCIA network interface. It appears that the boot sequence starts some network services before loading the PCMCIA driver.
[04:13] <cutterjohn> mike998: me too now... sigh...
[04:13] <mike998> okay...
[04:13] <cutterjohn> mike998: halflife multiplayer was the BEST mp that Ive EVER played...
[04:13] <cutterjohn> mike998 excepting counterstrike.. gack
[04:14] <mike998> Lee__: I installed Ubuntu on this laptop about 10 minuites after I pulled it out of the box... haven't had any issues (other than the obvious)
[04:14] <mike998> cutterjohn: doom multiplayer :D
[04:14] <Lee__> it's not really an issue. It got a network connection after loading the PCMCIA drivers. It's just poor form.
[04:14] <callmedaddy> anyone here?
[04:15] <mike998> ohh i see
[04:15] <cutterjohn> mike998: remember the day, and some generic Quake TFC percursorthart I cannot recall or find... isgh
[04:15] <callmedaddy> oh sorry =P
[04:15] <Lee__> throwing fatal errors in the boot screen looks kind of scary for n00bs
[04:15] <callmedaddy> yeah i got that too.. just installed ubuntu
[04:15] <direwolf> is there a way built backup utility in ubuntu
[04:15] <callmedaddy> said drive error failure... something
[04:16] <Lee__> direwolf: rsync. rocking harder than anything else.
[04:16] <mike998> Lee__: Yeah, I was getting errors loading a kernel module... something.ko (related to the internal wireless nic) - good old Google solved that problem for me
[04:16] <direwolf> thans
[04:16] <direwolf> thanks
[04:16] <mike998> mind you, I still consider myself a newb... just a newb who knows how to use google... and not just for pr)n
[04:16] <callmedaddy> does anyone know a dc++ client for ubuntu?
[04:16] <Lee__> the installation is going really easy. It's a lot like Debian Sarge.
[04:16] <mike998> callmedaddy what was the error?
[04:16] <Lee__> callmedaddy: what's dc++?
[04:17] <mike998> does you mean DCC ?
[04:17] <Ewwmg> uhmmm.. heh, nub question. http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/16577-1.png <-- the "info thing" at the top-right . . . what is it and where can I get it?
[04:17] <mike998> gdesklet
[04:17] <callmedaddy> mike998: error about hda.. hd5.. fatal read error something
[04:17] <Ewwmg> I had heard that before it, aha, thank you mikael
[04:18] <Ewwmg> Uhm... mike998
[04:18] <callmedaddy> no dc++ as in dcplusplus, a p2p client.. for sharing files
[04:18] <mike998> lol np
[04:18] <mike998> callmedaddy http://ubuntuguide.org/#azureus
[04:18] <mike998> one of those?
[04:18] <Lee__> callmedaddy: good place to start would probably be 'apt-cache search dc++'
[04:19] <Lee__> or whatever your keyword is
[04:19] <Ewwmg> mike998, presuming you have used it - I use Xfce .. won't cause any problems now, will it?
[04:19] <ChaosZ3RO> How do I configure alsa?
[04:20] <mike998> Ewwmg: I have used it at one point... couldn't get it up and running the way I wanted... I actually use Gkrellm
[04:20] <Lee__> ChaosZ3RO: alsaconf as root
[04:20] <mike998> not quite as nice looking but it shows just as much information
[04:20] <ChaosZ3RO> root@ubuntu:~ # alsaconf
[04:20] <ChaosZ3RO> bash: alsaconf: command not found
[04:20] <Lee__> become root
[04:20] <callmedaddy> not bitTorrent, its wrong network
[04:21] <ChaosZ3RO> That's not root?...
[04:21] <Lee__> type whoami. it'll tell you if you're root.
[04:21] <ChaosZ3RO> root@ubuntu:~ # whoami
[04:21] <ChaosZ3RO> root
[04:21] <Lee__> or just run /usr/sbin/alsaconf
[04:21] <mebaran151> Got Root
[04:21] <ChaosZ3RO> /usr/sbin/alsaconf: No such file or directory
[04:22] <Lee__> or look in ubuntu's package manager. I know in Debian it's called alsa-base and alsa-utils
[04:22] <mike998> hmmm - does anyone have anything on getting the esound working with cedega or point me in the direction of a how-to?
[04:23] <ChaosZ3RO> ah yeah it might help to have someone who is using it :P
[04:23] <mike998> ChaosZ3RO: I don't see alsaconf on my system either
[04:24] <Lee__> I'm quite familiar with Debian.
[04:24] <raff61> hi all, im at the middle of configuring my custom kernel...  do i have to compile in kernel agpgart support if i have a nvidia video card??
[04:24] <Lee__> Sarge has it.
[04:24] <ChaosZ3RO> mike998 - any idea how I configure my sound then?
[04:24] <mike998> ChaosZ3RO: nope... mine worked by default
[04:25] <ChaosZ3RO> ah darn
[04:25] <Lee__> ChaosZ3RO: try apt-cache search alsaconf
[04:25] <Lee__> I can tell you as soon as the updates are done installing
[04:25] <ChaosZ3RO> Couldn't find package alsa-conf
[04:25] <ALTF4osu> anyone ever try an install on an emachine laptop? -OR- know how to fix it as the install seems to hang on the first GUI screen (when boot: linux it's the language screen) (when boot: expert it's the menu screen)
[04:25] <Ewwmg> !ping
[04:25] <Ewwmg> mike998, presuming you have used it - I use Xfce .. won't cause any problems now, will it?
[04:25] <Ewwmg> I think I got disconnected, sorry. Anyways - did you reply?
[04:25] <Lee__> ChaosZ3RO: try without the dash
[04:26] <ChaosZ3RO> whoops
[04:26] <ChaosZ3RO> says it's installed :S
[04:26] <raff61> hi all, im at the middle of configuring my custom kernel...  do i have to compile in kernel agpgart support if i have a nvidia video card??
[04:26] <mike998> Ewwmg: I used it a little... I use gnome, but it doesn't cause any problems... I personally use Gkrellm
[04:26] <mike998> doesn't look as nice but just as informative
[04:26] <Ewwmg> I'll try googling that as well, thanks again
[04:27] <Ewwmg> My specs aren't divine - so it may be the answer I suppose.
[04:27] <Lee__> ChaosZ3RO: locate alsaconf
[04:27] <mebaran151> compile in agpgart
[04:27] <Lee__> try typing that
[04:27] <ChaosZ3RO> root@ubuntu:~ # locate alsaconf
[04:27] <ChaosZ3RO> warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[04:27] <raff61> nforce , nforce 2 support too??
[04:28] <mebaran151> cant hurt
[04:28] <mebaran151> when in doubt just compile it
[04:28] <mebaran151> as a module
[04:28] <Lee__> ChaosZ3RO: this must be a very new system . type updatedb
[04:28] <bitfoo> you have to build the database first
[04:28] <bitfoo> no its slocate -u or something
[04:28] <bitfoo> for first time :|
[04:28] <ChaosZ3RO> warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[04:29] <raff61> mm... the thing is i think on running  cvscedega and games so , i dont know if the agpgart conflicts with nvidia-glx ??
[04:29] <ChaosZ3RO> The laptop is a few months old actually. Ubuntu is the first system to get this much working. Only thing I'm having a problem with is sound.
[04:29] <bitfoo> ChaosZ3RO, sudo slocate -u
[04:29] <bitfoo> :|
[04:30] <ChaosZ3RO> What's that supposed to do?
[04:30] <bitfoo> it builds the database
[04:30] <bitfoo> so you can slocate files
[04:30] <bitfoo> :|
[04:30] <ChaosZ3RO> it let me do updatedb now
[04:30] <bitfoo> o
[04:30] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: Ubuntu removed alsaconf, because it's largely useless.
[04:31] <veritas> and the music works out of the box
[04:31] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: what sound chipset are you using?
[04:31] <ALTF4osu> anyone know what to do when i'm having trouble with the install on an emachines 64 bit processor, with the 64 bit version?
[04:31] <ChaosZ3RO> one second
[04:31] <Lee__> crimsun: how is it useless? it configures alsa fairly well in my experience.
[04:31] <ALTF4osu> it freezes on the language selection page
[04:31] <raff61> agpgart anf nvidia-glx get along in 3d games???
[04:31] <crimsun> Lee__: please see the changelog.Debian.gz for alsa-utils
[04:31] <Lee__> thanks
[04:31] <moyote> Alsaconf has never worked for me. Never detects the soundcard.
[04:32] <ChaosZ3RO> crimsun - Analog Devices AC '97 SoundMAX Codec
[04:32] <crimsun> Lee__: particularly the insecure temp file creation. Note also that pci cards are detected with hotplug. The only piece that's missing are ISA cards.
[04:32] <Lee__> kewl
[04:33] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0
[04:33] <bitfoo> people still use isa??? :|
[04:33] <Lee__> maybe he just needs to unmute the card?
[04:33] <crimsun> Lee__: quite possible
[04:33] <ChaosZ3RO> snd_intel8x0m          18632  2
[04:33] <ChaosZ3RO> snd_intel8x0           33068  4
[04:33] <ChaosZ3RO> One thing
[04:33] <crimsun> aha, the modem module
[04:33] <bretzel> randabis: Done reporting two bugs... saddly .. :-(
[04:34] <ChaosZ3RO> I looked my laptop up on google, and came across someone who got debian working. Says he needed to disable "external amplifier" to get sound working
[04:34] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: blacklist the modem module: echo snd-intel8x0m | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[04:34] <bretzel> gnight ...
[04:35] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: when you next boot, sound should work.
[04:35] <ChaosZ3RO> hmmm, I'll be back in a couple minutes then.
[04:36] <cetanhota> I have a PPC question. I dont know if a PowerMac B&W G3 is what they call an old world mac.
[04:36] <Lee__> AFAIK if it has a translucent case it's new world
[04:37] <cetanhota> Lee__, Thanks.. I will break out the Ubuntu CD and get it started.
[04:39] <Ewwmg> gDesklets-0.33.1.tar.bz2.tar  <-- I'm sorry, but how would I . . . and what would I . . . do to extract this file?
[04:40] <bitfoo> are you running warty ewwmg :|
[04:40] <Ewwmg> yeah
[04:40] <bitfoo> i couldnt get that to work :/
[04:40] <Ewwmg> Uhm, yes.. I am
[04:40] <crimsun> .tar.bz2.tar?
[04:40] <bitfoo> gdesklets :|
[04:40] <ChaosZ3RO> Doesn't seem to be working.
[04:40] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: are the channels unmuted?
[04:40] <moyote> tar -xf name of file.tar
[04:40] <ALTF4osu> what's wrong with warty?
[04:40] <ChaosZ3RO> Not a clue.
[04:40] <crimsun> ALTF4osu: absolutely nothing at all.
[04:41] <ALTF4osu> ok
[04:41] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: in a terminal, execute: alsamixer
[04:41] <ALTF4osu> then i guess it's just me
[04:41] <ALTF4osu> :-p
[04:41] <FLeiXiuS> Ewwmg: tar -xvjf filename.bz2.tar
[04:41] <ALTF4osu> :(
[04:41] <mike998> Ewwmg: have you tried installing that from the packages?
[04:41] <liquidhex> What is the audio editing program for X? Like if I want to rip a small section of an mp3 file
[04:41] <mike998> apt-get install gdesklets
[04:41] <Ewwmg> I didn't try that.. I'll try that now
[04:41] <crimsun> liquidhex: audacity
[04:41] <mike998> there is also a data package with some of the more common desklets
[04:41] <mike998> like, shedloads of them
[04:42] <liquidhex> cool.
[04:42] <liquidhex> thanks.
[04:42] <Ewwmg> FLeiXiuS, I tried that.. but I'm not yet familiar with the browsing syntax, for example it was in the.. desktop, I didn't know how I would direct it to that.. still getting and trying to get used to things
[04:43] <FLeiXiuS> Ewwmg: From the desktop right click and click on 'Open Terminal'
[04:43] <ChaosZ3RO> Crimsun: nothing seems to be muted.
[04:43] <Ewwmg> Ahh, thanks
[04:43] <larson9999> when i install stuff i get this message, 'Package locales is not configured yet' how do i configure locales? i'm googling but don't see it yet.
[04:43] <FLeiXiuS> Ewwmg: From there, you want to cd /path/to/file
[04:43] <djmt> Hello..
[04:43] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: does /proc/asound/cards list your chipset?
[04:44] <ALTF4osu> crimsun: any ideas? I dl'd the warty iso last night, when i try to install it, it hangs on the first GUI screen that comes up
[04:44] <FLeiXiuS> Ewwmg: For example, if its in /home/fleixius - cd /home/fleixius; tar -xvjf filename.bz2.tar
[04:44] <crimsun> ALTF4osu: the first gui screen? do you mean the gdm login, the greeter?
[04:44] <djmt> ALTF4osu: same problem try boot noapic nolapic
[04:44] <rajasun> liquidhex: there's also ardour =>http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7796
[04:44] <crimsun> (noapic supercedes nolapic ;-)
[04:44] <djmt> Err, linux noapic nolapic
[04:45] <ChaosZ3RO> crimsun: been a while since I've done anything in linux. How do I check from the terminal?
[04:45] <Ewwmg> Is that ..;.. literally how it is done? ..several commands, in one universal line
[04:45] <liquidhex> rajasun, ill check it out.. thanks
[04:45] <ALTF4osu> i'll try that
[04:45] <ALTF4osu> bbiab
[04:45] <rajasun> liquidhex: np :)
[04:45] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: in a terminal, type: cat /proc/asound/cards
[04:45] <FLeiXiuS> ChaosZ3RO: what sound card do you have?
[04:45] <ChaosZ3RO> I know I'm a pain, sorry. :P
[04:46] <djmt> The installer doesn't seem to recognize my keyboard at the language selection screen. Any ideas? Tried noapic and nolapic.. (I'm on a laptop, using AMD64 CD)
[04:46] <ChaosZ3RO> 0 [I82801DBICH4   ] : ICH - Intel 82801DB-ICH4
[04:46] <ChaosZ3RO>                      Intel 82801DB-ICH4 at 0xe0100c00, irq 10
[04:47] <Lathiat> djmt: amd64 laptop? cool.
[04:47] <djmt> Yeah.
[04:47] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: aplay -Dplughw:0 some.wav
[04:48] <Lathiat> djmt: could try an external keyboard? pweird yours doesnt work] 
[04:48] <Lathiat> djmt: does it work in the cd bootloader
[04:48] <djmt> Hm.. trying with a i386 CD and it works.
[04:48] <ChaosZ3RO> xmms plays it, but I get no sound
[04:48] <Lathiat> djmt: mm that sucks
[04:49] <djmt> Lathiat: Yes, but it stops at the language selection screen (with 64 CD)
[04:49] <ChaosZ3RO> wait...
[04:49] <ChaosZ3RO> sound... soooound
[04:49] <Lathiat> djm	mos tweird
[04:49] <Lathiat> djmt: unless your whole laptop is actually reezing on the amd64 one
[04:50] <djmt> Well, I can access the CD-ROM, so I guess it's not freezing?
[04:50] <ChaosZ3RO> okay, one more question. What's the command to edit text files?
[04:50] <hou5ton> in another distro, i had an xchat icon that went in the systray and flashed when i had a message .... so when I was on another window I would see it ... but i don't such a thing for ubuntu????
[04:50] <hou5ton> is there?
[04:50] <Lathiat> djmt: what do you mena access cdrom?
[04:51] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: use gedit
[04:51] <ChaosZ3RO> ah nice. Thanks
[04:52] <crimsun> ChaosZ3RO: unless you meant from the command line, in which case you'd use $EDITOR
[04:52] <djmt> Lathiat: I can open/close..
[04:54] <lupus_> got coaster running :D
[04:54] <Lathiat> djmt: oh, thats not nothign to do with the kernel being frozen
[04:57] <raff61> anyone with a NF7-S MB or Nforce chipset??
[04:58] <raff61> running custom kernel
[04:59] <ALTF4osu> :(
[04:59] <djmt> What CD are you using ALT?
[05:01] <Lee__> ChaosZ3RO: or run vimtutor and spend the 30 minutes to learn a crossplatform text editor
[05:01] <Lee__> sorry, I was reading old messages
[05:01] <raff61> i dont need to build in /dev filesys support in kernel right??
[05:03] <raff61> i dont need to build in /dev filesys support in kernel right??
[05:03] <liquidhex> what is libmp3lame.so part of?
[05:03] <liquidhex> audacity needs it
[05:03] <liquidhex> to export to mp3
[05:04] <raff61> just a little hel please... dont need to build in /dev filesys support in kernel right??
[05:05] <Lee__> liquidhex: http://lame.sourceforge.net
[05:05] <liquidhex> thanks
[05:06] <ALTF4osu> i dl'd it last night
[05:06] <maximaus> Hi all, hey I got embedded quicktime working with Firefox/Mplayer if anybody's interested (on warty)
[05:06] <raff61> agpgart and DRI compiled in kernel would conflict with nvidia-glx??
[05:06] <raff61> im interested on that maximus
[05:07] <ALTF4osu> ubuntulinux.org -->download-->midwest US-->warty-->warty-release-install-amd64.iso.torrent
[05:07] <thully> Does anybody know of good flash-based music players that work w/Linux?  I noticed latest rhythmbox has some type of iPod option, what exactly does that do?
[05:07] <ALTF4osu> and no matter what options i try, i reboot the machine, brings up the ubuntu page with boot:
[05:08] <ALTF4osu> I can go in and choose the F1-F10 options
[05:08] <ChaosZ3RO> okay, hopefully last question for the night. How do I get mp3 support in xmms?
[05:08] <djmt> ALT: Try the i386 version. I had the same problem using the AMD64 version. Now installing with the i386 version.
[05:08] <maximaus> raff61, just compile mplayer from source if you don't have it installed and use the FC2 rpm binary for mplayer plugin, install with "alien"n
[05:08] <ALTF4osu> and type in something, it starts up, loads some stuff, but then pops up with the language selection screen and totally hangs
[05:09] <thully> CharosZ3RO - installing gstreamer0.8-mad (I think that's the package) from universe should do the trick
[05:09] <ALTF4osu> i was hoping to be able to make use of the 64 bit processor
[05:09] <ALTF4osu> :(
[05:09] <ChaosZ3RO> I did that, xmms still won't.
[05:09] <djmt> Me too, ALT. :/
[05:09] <djmt> In April maybe...
[05:09] <maximaus> thully, if the player mounts like a memory stick, it'll work with linux--it should automount and show up as a drive on your desktop, then just drag and drop.
[05:09] <raff61> mmm... thats a nasty way of doing it..lol
[05:10] <ALTF4osu> so far you're not having issues with the 386 version though?
[05:10] <ironwolf> thully: rhythmbox doesn't work with my ipod, gnupod-tools does.  *read README carefully though*
[05:10] <ALTF4osu> i'm wondering if maybe it was a problem with the dl over bittorrent, or as it was dl'd over wireless
[05:10] <djmt> No.. about to partition.
[05:10] <thully> has anyone managed to get the iPod shuffle to work with Linux?  just curious (although not many people have these yet)
[05:10] <ALTF4osu> heh... ok... i'll check in later then with you :)
[05:10] <ALTF4osu> I have slackware 10 installed, and working fine
[05:10] <lupus_> there seem to be no C++ dbus bindings
[05:11] <Dr_willis> i just saw an articla on the ipod and linux
[05:11] <lupus_> is this true?
[05:11] <maximaus> thully, I believe the Shuffle should mount like any other usb drive.
[05:11] <ALTF4osu> but i'm a newb, so there's no way i could use it i don't think... too tough
[05:11] <Dr_willis> some kernel's have an issue with them
[05:11] <ironwolf> thully: sorry, for putting songs on/off and playlists, for playing no reason rhythmbox shouldn't work.
[05:11] <ALTF4osu> :(
[05:11] <rempresent> can anyone help me set up an ftp server
[05:11] <thully> As I may want to use the music store with this from a windows partition or crossover at some point
[05:11] <ironwolf> rempresent: did apt-get install ftpd work?
[05:11] <raff61> agpgart and DRI compiled in kernel would conflict with nvidia-glx??
[05:11] <rempresent> i haven't tried, i just started
[05:12] <ironwolf> rempresent: try that first. :) or apt-get install ssh, and use sftp *my personal choice*
[05:13] <ironwolf> dr_willis: ubuntu's kernel has no problem with the ipod *on hoary*
[05:13] <raff61> can anyone help me with this??   agpgart and DRI compiled in kernel would conflict with nvidia-glx??
[05:13] <LinuxJones> raff61, yes they have to be compiled as modules so you can not add them @ boottime and load the nvidia modules.
[05:13] <rempresent> ironwolf:  yeah i want winders users to grab some files off of my system
[05:13] <thully> well - the ipod shuffle acts a little different from a standard USB drive - I wonder if gtkpod etc. can use the shuffle?
[05:14] <larson9999> how do you change the run level?  i want to install the nvidia driver and changing the default level to 3 doesn't work.  and why is it set to 2 instead of 5 anyway?
[05:14] <thully> I don't have one yet, but wonder if anybody here has (or knows some who has) got this to work
[05:14] <Lathiat> larson9999: you probably want runlevel 1
[05:14] <raff61> LinuxJones, what about if i just don enable support for them , would it work??
[05:14] <Dr_willis> ironwolf,  no idea one way or another.. i just read an artical in a Linux mag about it :P
[05:14] <Lathiat> larson9999: i think you need the root passsword for that runlevel tho
[05:14] <HrdwrBoB> larson9999: runlevel 2-5 are exactly the same
[05:14] <Lathiat> larson9999: just stopping X with (/etc/init.d/gdm stop) is sufficient for nvidia
[05:14] <ironwolf> rempresent: can the users use filezilla?, if so ; apt-get install ssh
[05:14] <Lathiat> larson9999: however nvidia ia packaged in ubuntu
[05:15] <Lathiat> larson9999: easier just to use that...
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> larson9999: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:15] <ironwolf> dr_willis: I was stating.  my ipod *happy christmas present* works really well with ubuntu.
[05:15] <rempresent> well, i was planning on keeping my files for school here online all the time
[05:15] <rempresent> and i was going to access them with someone else's computer at school
[05:15] <thully> Yes, I can hear all the OGG people yelling "iRiver!!!" but their flash players cost more and will not ever work with the iTunes music store (which I may want to use at some point froma certain other OS)
[05:16] <alemao> which is the packgaage with that WITH cursor in X?
[05:16] <HrdwrBoB> alemao: with?
[05:16] <alemao> that white cursosr
[05:17] <Luke> hello all
[05:17] <piratePenguin> hello Luke =)
[05:17] <ChaosZ3RO> hey crimsun or anyone: I have to turn my stereo up until it's hissing to be able to hear anything. Any ideas?
[05:17] <Luke> haha hey piratePenguin
[05:17] <Luke> piratePenguin: your a ubuntu user/
[05:17] <Dr_willis> ironwolf,  aprently the "EFI" - extensible Firmware Initative - thats included in many new kernels - sort of locks up ipods when they are accesed,  - Somthing to  rember i guess. :P
[05:17] <Luke> ?
[05:17] <ChaosZ3RO> everything is turned to it's max in alsamixer
[05:17] <Lathiat> thully: there are other online music stores
[05:18] <HrdwrBoB> alemao: possibly xlibs-data
[05:18] <piratePenguin> Luke: since a few days ago, yea I'm a ubuntu user
[05:18] <ironwolf> dr_willis: ug....good to note.
[05:18] <Luke> piratePenguin: same =)
[05:18] <Adrenal> whats a good file manger for sfce?
[05:18] <Adrenal> *xfce?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> xfce has its own file managre
[05:19] <crimsun> rox-filer
[05:19] <HrdwrBoB> nautilus?
[05:19] <Luke> does anyone know if its possible to use debains apt-cache ?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> xffm i think :P
[05:19] <Luke> on ubuntu?
[05:19] <crimsun> I would skip xffm4
[05:19] <Adrenal> Dr_willis: i know, but it sucks
[05:19] <HrdwrBoB> Luke: not recommended
[05:19] <Luke> hrm
[05:19] <crimsun> please use rox-filer =)
[05:19] <thully> Lathiat: which ones in particular are you talking about?  I don't particularly like the WMA-based ones, and I don't want to use P2P or allofmp3
[05:19] <crimsun> Luke: yes.
[05:19] <Luke> HrdwrBoB: what if i want beep-media-player or openbox or something?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> Adrenal,   then use any file manager you like. :P theres 100's of them out there.
[05:19] <Adrenal> HrdwrBoB: natulus screws it over
[05:19] <Ewwmg> mike998, sorry I crashed my syster.. what was it again? ..gdeskop or what was it?
[05:19] <Lathiat> thully: well australia has bigpondmusic which is mp3
[05:19] <LinuxJones> raff61,if your running Ubuntu, best option is to rename the actual via_agp module. Not a good solution but it works
[05:19] <crimsun> Luke: apt-cache itself depends only on the sources.list you have locally
[05:19] <Adrenal> Dr_willis: any recommendations?
[05:19] <Lathiat> thully: and i dunno specifically of others
[05:19] <Lathiat> thully: but i know there are others
[05:20] <thully> Lathiat: I'm not in australia
[05:20] <Ewwmg> system*
[05:20] <Luke> crimsun: thats what i thought - do you know how to change the source listing to debains?
[05:20] <crimsun> Luke: but if you meant to ask if you can use Debian repositories, the answer is different: please do not use Debian repos.
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Adrenal,  well since youve stated nothing about what you LIKE.. :P not really.. I use 'mc' for 90% of m y needs
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Adrenal,  or "worker' or one called 'gentoo' (yes its a disrto name also and a program name)
[05:20] <raff61> LinuxJones, yeah i tried that , i just though on resolving that , a cleaner way
[05:20] <Adrenal> Dr_willis: anything like nautlis
[05:20] <crimsun> Luke: you _will_ create headaches for yourself by installing packages from Debian repos.
[05:21] <Dr_willis> Adrenal,  i perfer 2 pane file managers
[05:21] <Adrenal> only reason i don;t use that is cos i lose the decent right-click menu in xfce
[05:21] <ChaosZ3RO> anyone have any ideas why I have to turn my stereo up so high to hear anything? Everything in ubuntu is turned to it's max
[05:21] <raff61> compiling new kernel
[05:21] <Luke> crimsun: well is there a way to get more programs that arent in ubuntu's repository?
[05:21] <Luke> crimsun: like openbox?
[05:21] <crimsun> Luke: openbox is available in universe.
[05:21] <Dr_willis> ChaosZ3RO,  my guess is you missed somthing. :P -  be carefull.
[05:21] <Lathiat> thully: like i siad, i dont know them specifically, but i know there are int ones
[05:21] <Luke> crimsun: whats that mean (sorry i'm new to ubuntu)
[05:21] <thully> most of them don't have a whole lot of music or only by obscure artists
[05:21] <LinuxJones> raff61, it's painfull like re-compiling a custom kernel to do something as easy as that :(
[05:22] <crimsun> Luke: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages/
[05:22] <raff61> LinuxJones,.. yeah, i mean.. its not just for that.... im running Ubuntu, i think it has udev, should i enable /dev filesys support in kernel??
[05:22] <Luke> crimsun: thanks
[05:22] <maximaus> Luke, yeah it's just a matter of ticking a box in Synaptic. ;)
[05:22] <Luke> hmm
[05:22] <Luke> synaptic has errors when i try to start it
[05:23] <Adrenal> meh, thanks anyway
[05:23] <maximaus> how did you start it? From the menu?
[05:23] <raff61> LinuxJones... its like i feel weird doing lsmod and looking at a whole lot or modules i dont even now what they are doing
[05:23] <piratePenguin> are ya root or using sudo ?
[05:23] <Dr_willis> so the 'non-free' packages are in 'multiverse'  eh?
[05:23] <piratePenguin> Luke: run it from a terminal
[05:23] <Ewwmg> Okay.. uhm, again.. http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=16577&file1=16577-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Darwin <-- what is that at top-right? kdesktop or something
[05:23] <Lee__> is there a gnome utility to safely eject a PCMCIA card?
[05:23] <Luke> i've changed my root password yet it still defaults back to my users passwd?
[05:24] <crimsun> raff61: try beginning with Ubuntu .config(s) and paring them down
[05:24] <maximaus> Luke, run "sudo synaptic"
[05:24] <LinuxJones> raff61, I would just dis-able stuff that I don't want (inyour case the agp support)
[05:24] <Luke> maximaus: i've got it running now
[05:24] <maximaus> cool
[05:24] <Luke> maximaus: but its using my old root passwd
[05:24] <maximaus> well, it's running LOL
[05:25] <raff61> crimsun, u mean like /etc.modules.conf ??
[05:25] <LinuxJones> raff61, it's much easier to just re-name the modules and re-boot but whatever you want to do :)
[05:25] <Luke> maximaus: and openbox isnt in there when i search
[05:25] <maximaus> Luke, go into settings/repositories and tick "universe"
[05:25] <crimsun> raff61: no, I mean /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[05:25] <Luke> maximaus: thanks =)
[05:25] <tandy> anyone know where to get those multimedia codecs
[05:25] <maximaus> Luke, then you'll need to hit the "reload" button to grab the new package headers. THEN you can search for openbox.
[05:26] <crimsun> tandy: see /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:26] <tandy> I tried w32codecs fomr the ubuntuguide but wasnt able to find it
[05:26] <crimsun> tandy: see /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:26] <raff61> crimsun, U mean doing oldconfig and clean a bit?
[05:26] <Luke> maximaus: i dont have a universal in my repositories list
[05:26] <tandy> ok thank u crimsun
[05:26] <rempresent> i am running ubuntu and i can use the root terminal, but i can't be root in terminal, it says my password doesn't work, but i have only one password set up...
[05:26] <maximaus> Luke, you do but can't see it :D
[05:26] <Luke> maximaus: haha im sorry i must sound like such a n00b
[05:27] <crimsun> raff61: no, I mean copy /boot/config-$(uname -r) to .config in the root of your kernel source tree and running ,,make menuconfig''
[05:27] <Luke> maximaus: i'm used to just being able to apt-cache search everything
[05:27] <maximaus> when you highlight repositories look in the sections box till you can see universe in one.
[05:27] <Luke> maximaus:=)
[05:27] <maximaus> Luke, find it?
[05:28] <maximaus> Should be second non src from the bottom.
[05:28] <maximaus> just tick the box to "enable" it and do your reload from the Synaptic toolbar.
[05:28] <Luke> maximaus: yea - do i want the archive or security one?
[05:28] <raff61> crimsun..lol, sorry, me  on my 3 day on a linux box... lemme try that on my second kernel... im just gonna test  the new one im about to make... but just one thing... should i enable /dev filesys support.. we use udev right??
[05:29] <Luke> maximaus: there are like 3 that say universal
[05:29] <Luke> maximaus: and i'm assuming the -src one compiles from source?
[05:29] <maximaus> Yeah, you usually don't need the -src ones
[05:29] <OmniXai> when I open a folder, it comes up as a lined, single colour folder. How can I fix this problem
[05:29] <Luke> maximaus: hehe yea i'm not looking to compile too much on this box =)
[05:29] <crimsun> raff61: yes.
[05:29] <Luke> maximaus: but thank you - i think i've got it figured out
[05:29] <Luke> maximaus: you've helped me a great deal
[05:30] <timothyarnold85> i have a serial ATA hard drive in my system that's ntfs formatted. does ubuntu recognize SATA drives? if so, how can I find it?
[05:30] <maximaus> No biggie. Somebody had to help me in the beginning. :P
[05:30] <OmniXai> when I open a folder, it comes up as a lined, single colour folder. How can I fix this problem
[05:30] <raff61> crimsun, thx a lot
[05:31] <crimsun> timothyarnold85: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesDesktops/view?searchterm=sata
[05:31] <jdub> morning mbp_
[05:32] <cafuego> timothyarnold85: it's be /dev/sda
[05:32] <timothyarnold85> thanks crimsun
[05:32] <OmniXai> when I open a folder, it comes up as a lined, single colour folder. How can I fix this problem
[05:32] <raff61> crimsun, should i check Autoamically mount at boot??
[05:33] <raff61> automatically  sorry
[05:33] <mbp_> hi jdub
[05:33] <timothyarnold85> cafuego: thanks!
[05:33] <cafuego> jdub: I have the 'n' and 'u' done ;-)
[05:33] <jdub> cafuego: heh
[05:33] <crimsun> raff61: 'twould be a good idea.
[05:34] <raff61> thx
[05:34] <cafuego> No, I lie. the 'o' is done, too.
[05:34] <crimsun> raff61: keep in mind that option is reserved for devfs. udev, which Ubuntu uses, does not use that option.
[05:34] <OmniXai> when I open a folder, it comes up as a lined, single colour folder. How can I fix this problem
[05:35] <LinuxJones> cafuego, there is no 'o' in Ubuntu :)
[05:35] <raff61> crimsun, i want to use udev... so i cant compive devfs  i guess
[05:35] <LinuxJones> cafuego, or are you doing the balls ?
[05:37] <OmniXai> when I open a folder, it comes up as a lined, single colour folder. How can I fix this problem
[05:37] <Dr_willis> hmm...
[05:37] <Dr_willis> lined ?
[05:37] <OmniXai> yes
[05:37] <crimsun> OmniXai: using which application?
[05:38] <OmniXai> like diagnol
[05:38] <Dr_willis> yea - does NOT tell me what you mean by 'lined'
[05:38] <OmniXai> just, a folder
[05:38] <Dr_willis> lol
[05:38] <OmniXai> its like Where's Waldo Suit
[05:38] <OmniXai> with Brown and Brownish orange
[05:38] <OmniXai> only when I open it, the icon is that
[05:38] <cafuego> LinuxJones: Decent font needs all glypths
[05:39] <cafuego> http://www.cafuego.net/ss/splashcrap.png
[05:40] <cafuego> oh dear, that went a bit 8bit
[05:41] <jdub> it also went inscrutible
[05:41] <jdub> ;)
[05:41] <cafuego> I just added 'nou nou bt'
[05:41] <cafuego> with a suitably hideous gradient fill
[05:41] <LinuxJones> cafuego, aye
[05:43] <bretzel> Randabis ?
[05:45] <bretzel> randabis ?
[05:47] <bretzel> "Is somebody out there" ?
[05:47] <FLeiXiuS> Always
[05:47] <hypa7ia> hey, is sound broken in hoary? i've run into problems with an ac97 card and an emu10k card
[05:48] <FLeiXiuS> hypa7ia: not for I, i'm running a emu10k1
[05:48] <giard> hypa7ia: sound needs to get fixed... it looks like the alsa settings aren't being set automatically
[05:48] <hypa7ia> giard: sounds about right
[05:48] <giard> hypa7ia: if you go to the mixer and change it from oss to alsa and back, you might have some luck
[05:49] <bretzel> I was reporting that Hoary Array 3 CD install failed on this computer... But just finished installing the same iso image on an other computer and it ran well... I wonder why it dfailed on this ...
[05:50] <giard> bretzel: what failed?
[05:50] <giard> is it sata?
[05:50] <giard> or a newer asus motherboard?
[05:50] <Lee__> no apm support in the kernel  :(
[05:50] <hypa7ia> my install failed sort of on both machines... btu i was able to apt-get ubuntu-desktop which did everythign
[05:51] <hypa7ia> giard: mine's an asus laptop
[05:51] <hypa7ia> and the other was an older asus mobo
[05:51] <Lee__> woah. apm just broke the laptop...sort of.
[05:51] <giard> hypa7ia: there is some issue with certain asus mobo's
[05:51] <giard> fedora has the same problem
[05:52] <giard> Lee__:  you don't want to use apci?
[05:52] <bretzel> giard: Motherboard? hmmmm mars 2004 release: Asus P800 SE 865PE intel chipset ... Warty installed well ( actually running warty now )
[05:52] <Lee__> not on a Pentium II 333 from 1998
[05:52] <giard> make that acpi
[05:52] <giard> bretzel: strange
[05:52] <Lee__> giard: ain't that for newer laptops?
[05:52] <bretzel> giard: haory failed at grub -install step...
[05:53] <giard> Lee__:  you might be able to upgrade the bios on your laptop
[05:53] <giard> bretzel: what was the error?
[05:53] <bretzel> blocked at 33%, and managed to install lilo in expert mode - but no luck with xserver-xord : post-install script failed also
[05:54] <dieman> heh, i had xfs explode on me today
[05:54] <Lee__> I'll stick with apm. Is there a gnome applet for putting a laptop to sleep?
[05:54] <dieman> had to use xfs_db to zero out some inodes :|
[05:54] <dieman> at least we only lost like 12 files, and nothing important
[05:54] <trey3> bretzel: try again with yesturdays .1 image... worked great here  :)
[05:54] <giard> Lee__:  there might be, I know that there's one specifically in the works for Ubuntu
[05:54] <bretzel> giard: saw no error report about grub install , just blocked... ( progress bar at 33% ) Linux mount probe was ok, grub-install was configuring other OSes... I suspect that is because I have warty and grub already installed in HDA'mbr ... dunno
[05:55] <giard> bretzel: hmmm, that shouldn't break it, I do that here too
[05:55] <Lee__> what was the name of that applet that runs apt-get update ever so often and lets you know when updates are available?
[05:56] <giard> Lee__:  Update Manager?
[05:56] <giard> Lee__:  I think there's an update notifier part too
[05:56] <Lee__> yeah, that's the one
[05:56] <trey3> Lee__: its not an applet itself... it just sits in the system tray or whatever...
[05:57] <giard> trey3: right, though I kinda wish it were an applet so I could remove it if I felt like it
[05:57] <giard> but I guess it's fine how it is
[05:57] <bretzel> My other computer is Intel celeron 1.7ghz, motherbaord is really crappy cheap: (ECI? )  P4S5A/DX+
[05:57] <trey3> giard: thats what he's talking about 'update-notifier'... 'update-manager' is the thinger that is in Applications > System Tools
[05:57] <timothyarnold85> can anyone help me get support for mp3 in ubuntu?
[05:58] <bretzel> ...And hoary installed without glitches ...
[05:58] <giard> timothyarnold85: if you look in the ubuntu wiki for mp3
[05:58] <julio> timothyarnold....go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:58] <giard> or that :)
[05:58] <julio> and follow the instructions to add respotoriers.
[05:58] <julio> and just look through that.
[05:58] <trey3> timothyarnold85: activate Universe, and apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:58] <Lee__> so warty is the "stable" version and hoary is the "testing" one?
[05:58] <julio> yes, Lee.
[05:58] <julio> for now.
[05:59] <rellik> is there something like window's file associations for gnome?
[05:59] <julio> yes.
[05:59] <jdub> who here is running on a very high resolution display?
[05:59] <LinuxJones> night everybody see you tomorrow !!
[05:59] <jdub> > 1600x1200 ?
[05:59] <julio> right click on it....go to properties.
[05:59] <giard> jdub: yes
[05:59] <julio> and go to "open with"
[05:59] <jdub> giard: res?
[05:59] <giard> jdub: 1920x1200
[05:59] <rellik> jdub yes
[05:59] <jdub> rellik: res?
[05:59] <Lee__> a ha. so a little advice from a Debian user. A friend took me seriously when I told him I'd install Linux on his laptop. I decided to give ubuntu a try. I just installed warty cause it was the first option on the web page. Would you recommend I update to hoary?
[06:00] <giard> Lee__:  hoary I'd only suggest to an advanced user
[06:00] <rellik> my res is 2880x1200
[06:00] <giard> Lee__:  it's not stable yet
[06:00] <jdub> excellent
[06:00] <Lee__> okay, thanks
[06:00] <cafuego> Lee__: Not really, it seems to be more broken more often than Sid.
[06:00] <jdub> rellik, giard: can you do a test for me?
[06:00] <trey3> Lee__: on a friends box? no... you should have at least _some_ knowledge of the packaging etc first.
[06:00] <giard> jdub: sure thing
[06:00] <rellik> jdub, what's up?
[06:01] <jdub> rellik, giard: first, is the text on your login screen really small?
[06:01] <rellik> jdub, can you define "really small"?
[06:01] <Lee__> okay. I figured I'd just install the update-manager and the update-notifer and he'll be fine.
[06:01] <jdub> either unreadably small or it just looks silly
[06:01] <trey3> cafuego: eh... its had its issues... usually fine though  :)   considering things like OpenOffice2.0, GNOME 2.9 etc are in... not bad at all  :)
[06:01] <Lee__> although searching through apt for warty I don't see any update-manager
[06:01] <rellik> jdub, nope mine is fine
[06:02] <giard> jdub: The labels are okay, but the place where you type in the name uses small fonts
[06:02] <trey3> Lee__: yeah... I don't think its in warty... new thing as of like a week or so ago...
[06:02] <jdub> rellik: if you type xdpyinfo | grep resolution, what's the dpi?
[06:02] <Lee__> oh well. cron it is  :)
[06:02] <jdub> giard: ok
[06:03] <rellik> jdub, 128x126 dpi
[06:03] <jdub> giard: and yours?
[06:03] <cyklus> I just installed ubuntu and cant su to root... it didnt ask me for a pass under the install.. is there a default one?
[06:03] <giard> jdub: 75x75 dots per inch
[06:04] <trey3> cyklus: use sudo
[06:04] <Lee__> sudo su worked for me while su didn't
[06:04] <jdub> giard: do you believe that? :)
[06:04] <cyklus> trey: hows that work?
[06:04] <rellik> cyklus, there is no root passwd at install (sudo passwd root)
[06:04] <jdub> cyklus: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[06:04] <cyklus> thanks
[06:04] <giard> jdub: ummm, is that a trick question? ;-)
[06:04] <jdub> rellik: please don't suggest that
[06:04] <jdub> cyklus: read that webpage above
[06:04] <rellik> jdub, suggest what?
[06:04] <cyklus> i will
[06:04] <jdub> giard: do you really believe that your screen is 75dpi at that resolution? :)
[06:05] <giard> jdub: never thought about it
[06:05] <jdub> giard: is it 25x16 inches? :)
[06:05] <giard> jdub: for a 15" widescreen to be at 1920x1200...
[06:05] <trey3> cyklus: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:06] <occy> man, I so wish GTK2 had "transparent" themes.  :(
[06:06] <giard> jdub: is there a way to fix that?
[06:06] <jdub> rellik: don't suggest 'sudo passwd root'
[06:06] <trey3> gah... I actually had to go look... cuz I got it the wrong way around... jdub beat me though  :(
[06:06] <jdub> giard: you can set it in your x configuration; for some reason X can't determine it from the monitor
[06:06] <occy> I'd love to have indubstrial where I could simply pick a color or two to change the colors of the theme instead of having to freakin' redo all the images.
[06:06] <jdub> occy: what kind of transparent?
[06:06] <jdub> oh
[06:06] <jdub> that's a different problem
[06:07] <occy> jdub: like you can simply click and pick one color when you change a background... (with a transparent theme)  but... with metacity borders.. you have to change ALL the stupid images.
[06:07] <occy> yeah... grrr.... I like how KDE does it.
[06:07] <occy> it makes sense.
[06:07] <occy> well...
[06:07] <occy> let me restate that.
[06:07] <giard> jdub: so is it a configuration-specific problem?
[06:07] <Dr_willis> heh
[06:07] <occy> I like the end-result of what KDE does.
[06:07] <jdub> occy: that's not really anything to do with 'transparent' though
[06:07] <occy> the implementation...
[06:07] <occy> jdub: true... sorry, I mispoke.
[06:08] <occy> jdub: the need however is there.  We shouldn't have to have 40 billion colors of themes laying around.
[06:08] <Lee__> is there a Gnome utility to safely eject a PCMCIA card? Something like cardctl?
[06:08] <occy> of metacity themes that is.
[06:09] <rellik> jdub, that website you refered that guy to has some info but for non-nuubs that just need a fix the answer is simple: sudo passwd root
[06:09] <jdub> rellik: that's not the right answer
[06:09] <occy> jdub: this way, if you find a cool background you like, use the color picker to easily make everything work together.
[06:09] <jdub> rellik: there is a good reason why the root account is disabled
[06:09] <jdub> rellik: telling people to enable it is not the right solution
[06:09] <occy> click click, here and there, and poof.  You are set.
[06:10] <jdub> occy: yes, someone just needs to write a small amout of code. it is surprising that no one has done it given the demand. it is not a huge task.
[06:10] <Lee__> I think OS X does the same thing WRT disabling root
[06:10] <jdub> Lee__: yep :)
[06:10] <occy> jdub: I asked someone one time about it... the metacity guy... and he scoffed at me like I was from another planet.  (he's even from my home town too heh)
[06:11] <jdub> occy: you probably said 'transparency'
[06:11] <occy> jdub: hahaha
[06:11] <occy> jdub: touche :P~
[06:11] <jdub> occy: sane metacity themes already handle colour changes
[06:11] <occy> jdub: can indubstrial do it?
[06:11] <jdub> ie. there are no colour changes in the human metacity theme
[06:11] <jdub> though it's based on the industrial theme, which is usually blue
[06:11] <occy> I guess I'd just need to know what to change in the theme.
[06:12] <jdub> you change the gtk+ theme
[06:12] <occy> jdub: got a pair of hex numbers I can grep for?
[06:12] <jdub> metacity inherits gtk+ colours
[06:12] <occy> jdub: :)
[06:12] <jdub> hex numbers?
[06:12] <Lee__> lame question: is there a prebuilt .deb for lame?
[06:12] <jdub> read the metacity theme
[06:12] <occy> jdub: yessir.
[06:12] <jdub> Lee__: the wiki links to one, i believe
[06:12] <trey3> Lee__: yes... not in the archive though....
[06:12] <Lee__> kewl
[06:13] <trey3> Lee__: its likely you want mad anyways though...
[06:13] <jdub> occy: metacity just has variables for the gtk colours
[06:13] <rignes> Hello.
[06:13] <occy>   PanelMenu::stripe-color = { 0.60, 0.61, 0.60 }  :/  man.. what kinda color type is that?
[06:14] <occy> hmm
[06:14] <occy> maybe I don't need to mess with that.
[06:14] <occy>   bg[ACTIVE]        = "#d9d9d9"
[06:14] <jdub> rgb precentages
[06:14] <Lee__> I'd like to give hime the option of encoding mp3s too. Unfortunately cause I know he'll ask.
[06:15] <trey3> Lee__: gah... www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:16] <trey3> Lee__: there is a source listed there for lame...
[06:16] <occy> jdub: think I got it.
[06:16] <occy> let me futz
[06:16] <Lee__> trey3: phat, thanks.
[06:17] <giard> jdub: wow!  Fixed the screen size made a world of difference
[06:18] <Lee__> there is no package called gstreamer0.8-lame in the universe repo.
[06:18] <giard> jdub: should 75x75 be fixed by maybe asking the user what size screen it is (15", 17", etc) if it can't tell what the dpi is?
[06:18] <trey3> Lee__: yeah... you need to add one of the sources listed!
[06:19] <trey3> Lee__: the cerkinfo listing to be exact  :)
[06:19] <trey3> even says 'for mp3 encoding......' :/
[06:19] <trey3> Lee__: haha
[06:20] <Lee__> I already had to learn RHEL for work  :(
[06:20] <calc> heh
[06:23] <occy> jdub: got it ;)
[06:23] <occy> jdub: still would be better if you could get all clicky clicky on it.
[06:23] <Lee__> looks like our friends at cerkinfo.be broke the dependency tree
[06:24] <trey3> occy: apparently they are working on an interface for changing colors in themes...
[06:24] <Lee__> broken libgstreamer dependency
[06:24] <occy> trey3: really?  (isn't your nick redundant?) ;)
[06:24] <occy> trey3: I'm Trae too... heh
[06:24] <rignes> How does one enable the root account in ubuntu?
[06:24] <trey3> occy: thats what I heard... and yup, kinda the point  :)
[06:25] <occy> trey3:  ;)
[06:25] <occy> trey3: who is "they"
[06:25] <MMXcr> hello
[06:25] <trey3> rignes: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:25] <trey3> occy: GNOME devels  ;)
[06:25] <trey3> MMXcr: hey
[06:25] <occy> trey3: hehe
[06:26] <occy> hmmm
[06:26] <rignes> trey3: Thank you. :)
[06:26] <occy> found it.  I'm slow
[06:26] <trey3> rignes: you're welcome
[06:26] <MMXcr> hi actualy I finish install UBUNTU in my machine a few minutes ago
[06:27] <trey3> MMXcr: yay  :)
[06:27] <MMXcr> yes I'm from Costa Rica
[06:27] <trey3> :)
[06:28] <MMXcr> I go to the people of Linux in Costa Rica and they give me this original copy
[06:29] <MMXcr> because i use RedHat, but i whant to learn the real things of Linux
[06:29] <MMXcr> trey3: where u from??
[06:30] <occy> actually, I've got a fairly decent hack of indubstrial going to match my bg now.  I've tried this in the past, but never could get it to work for some reason.  Always figured you'd need to be a rocket scientist.  It's working now though.
[06:30] <Rattboi> what's that?
[06:30] <bretzel> Seems to have interresting stuff in hoary unviverse repositry :-)
[06:30] <Rattboi> a theme?
[06:31] <MMXcr> cool!!!
[06:32] <Lee__> MMXcr: Redhat is really Linux but Debian is more unix-ish in my experience.
[06:32] <Rattboi> Lee__, wtf does that mean? :P
[06:33] <nevyn_> Lee__: I'd disagree with that.
[06:33] <bretzel> ROFL!!!
[06:33] <Lee__> how so?
[06:33] <nevyn_> gentoo is unixish
[06:33] <Lee__> yeah. it is.
[06:33] <nevyn_> debian is NOTHING like traditional unix.
[06:33] <Lee__> as is OpenBSD
[06:33] <jdub> Lee__: a lot of solaris admins feel the same way :)
[06:34] <jdub> Lee__: hp-ux admins don't ;-)
[06:34] <rignes> I've never used traditional unix, but slackware's goal is to be the most unix like linux distribution as I understand it.
[06:34] <Rattboi> Ubuntu is like...?
[06:34] <nevyn_> debian.
[06:34] <Lee__> I guess it's the start with nothing and build the system up style
[06:34] <Rattboi> debian is like?
[06:34] <jdub> Lee__: to make hp-ux admins at home, we really have to work on the whole 'pigsty' thing ;)
[06:34] <nevyn_> heh
[06:35] <Lee__> I haven't been fortunate enough to use hp-ux ever
[06:35] <Rattboi> I put Ubuntu on an iBook, and it didn't feel foreign at all
[06:35] <Rattboi> so I think Ubuntu is kinda like OSX
[06:35] <nevyn_> I used solaris briefly and hated it.
[06:35] <bretzel> One point that attracted me to Ubuntu since I 've discovered it is that for now it seems the opposite of Commecrcial Distribs such RedHat/MandrakeLinux and Novel's SuSE ...
[06:35] <Rattboi> Lee__, which?
[06:36] <Rattboi> I also like the freeness of Ubuntu
[06:36] <Lee__> the line above mine, bretzel's
[06:36] <Rattboi> ah, ok
[06:36] <MMXcr> Lee__, and everyone here I'm really a newbie, this Distribution it's ok to start in linux????
[06:36] <bretzel> :-)
[06:37] <nevyn_> bretzel: so why not use debian? (curiousity not accusing)
[06:37] <bretzel> MMX: Oh yes! I recommand Ubuntu event to my brother whoknows nothing about Linux
[06:37] <Ewwmg> Check you log file in ~/.gdesklets. It will tell you what went wrong!  <-- uhm, heh.. how exactly will I go about browsing that? I'm still familiar with this Linux syntax of browsing :x
[06:37] <commodude28> How do I fix scancode errors?
[06:37] <MMXcr> bretzel, cool man
[06:38] <Lee__> MMXcr: I'm installing Ubuntu for a friend who got fed up with getting viruses on Windows. I jokingly offered to install Linux and he took me seriously. Now here I am  :)
[06:38] <bretzel> nevyn_: Iam also a newbie but not new newbie. tho -- I know linux since year 2000 but not had a chance to play with it like theese days...
[06:38] <rignes> MMXcr: Pick whatever distro you wish, but I'd recommend getting a good book to get you going.  Like Running Linux from Oreilly Press.
[06:39] <MMXcr> Lee__, really man, how many time u are now whith linux???
[06:39] <Lee__> about 4 years
[06:39] <bretzel> Lee__: Funny:-)
[06:39] <Rattboi> I'm on linux on and off for about 4 years
[06:39] <nevyn_> I'm ~6 or so.. but 4 or 5 of hardcore.
[06:39] <rignes> A Practical Guide to Linux by Mark Sobel is excellent also.
[06:39] <MMXcr> rignes, yes actually I need to read a good book, actually i'm reading a UNIX book
[06:40] <MMXcr> rignes, Ok I'm try to look that book
[06:40] <rignes> There is a local Linux User Group that meets near me.  Everyone there agrees that Running Linux is the best book they read for a strong foundation.
[06:40] <nevyn_> hrm.
[06:41] <Ewwmg> ~/.gdesklets  <-- how can I browse through it..? I'm a total nub at the browsing syntax
[06:41] <Lee__> rignes: is that the horse book?
[06:41] <nevyn_> The unix programming environment by Kernighan and Pike is pretty good.
[06:41] <nevyn_> Lee__: yeah
[06:41] <rignes> It's not distribution specific which is nice, so you won't get locked into a specific tool that only come with a particular distro.
[06:41] <MMXcr> nevyn_,  Actully that's the book i'm reading
[06:41] <lsls> does anyone know how to look at block devices?
[06:42] <lsls> like if i added a disk...
[06:42] <lsls> how can i see it and the size etc?
[06:42] <MMXcr> nevyn_, it's in spanish
[06:43] <rignes> lsls: Is the drive already mounted?
[06:43] <lsls> nope...
[06:43] <lsls> rignes: no
[06:43] <rignes> I assume it's physically installed in the system right?
[06:43] <lsls> I just added 2 drives...
[06:43] <lsls> ide
[06:44] <lsls> i am famoliar with the hda hdb etc...
[06:44] <rignes> Then i'd mount them and use df
[06:44] <MMXcr> guys in CineMax are playing the Pink Floyd, The Wall
[06:44] <Ewwmg> someone please feel pity and tell me :s
[06:44] <rignes> There may be a better way that I don't know though.
[06:45] <lsls> i need to see which is which and the partition them and format them
[06:45] <lsls> how can i mount them without an fs?
[06:46] <lsls> mount need -t fstype
[06:46] <rignes> I may not be understanding your quesiton totally since it's late and I'm tired but you could do cfdisk /dev/hdb to see what hdb is.
[06:46] <lsls> ok
[06:46] <lsls> so there is no fdisk like in dos or gdisk like in ghost?
[06:47] <rignes> then partition it, I don't know what other tools ubuntu comes with for partitioning.  I'm primarilly a slackware guy just experimenting with ubuntu on a spare system.
[06:47] <lsls> IC
[06:47] <lsls> linux in general... i mean
[06:47] <rignes> There is an fdisk but it's ugly and I don't like it.  I use cfdisk.
[06:48] <lsls> all debian systems can add any software with apt-get
[06:48] <lsls> ok
[06:48] <MMXcr> I Need Help!, I need to go to root account but i don't stablish any password
[06:48] <LucidVisions> what is everyones favorite IDE,,for web dev
[06:49] <LucidVisions> bluefish or can eclipse be used for web development
[06:49] <MMXcr> ohhh nice it's the same password
[06:49] <MMXcr> cool
[06:49] <bretzel> LucidVision: hmmm I am interrested to know: I only use Quanta but if better IDE exitsts ...
[06:51] <Dr_willis> lol
[06:53] <rempresent> i can't compile a program called proftpd
[06:53] <rempresent> here is my error message
[06:53] <rempresent> root@ubuntu:/usr/src/proftpd-1.2.10 # ./configure
[06:53] <rempresent> checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
[06:53] <rempresent> checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
[06:53] <rempresent> checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
[06:53] <rempresent> checking for gcc... no
[06:53] <rempresent> checking for cc... no
[06:53] <rempresent> checking for cc... no
[06:53] <rempresent> checking for cl... no
[06:53] <rempresent> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[06:53] <rempresent> See `config.log' for more details.
[06:53] <sonny> rempresent: you need to install the compilers, headers, binutils
[06:54] <rempresent> how do i go about that
[06:54] <rempresent> ?
[06:54] <akurashy> rempresent: apt-get install gcc
[06:54] <sonny> sudo apt-get install gcc libc6-dev binutils
[06:54] <rempresent> and the others
[06:54] <K-Rich> sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[06:54] <sonny> ah
[06:54] <Agrajag> build-essential
[06:55] <Agrajag> not plural
[06:55] <Lee__> I'd recommend not trying to compile software unless you already know how to install and use a compiler.
[06:55] <Ewwmg> I just installed gdesklets with snyaptic.. did nothing else. It.. doesn't start. One of the FAQ's said to check the logfile at ~/.gdesklets.. I'm a nub at Linux, could someone please tell me how I can at least view that? I don't know how exactly to "get to it"
[06:55] <nightwolf> there is a proftpd package also is there not?
[06:55] <mbp_> we all have to learn somehow :)
[06:55] <sonny> well, it depends on where you're coming from
[06:55] <mbp_> Ewwmg: ls -l ~/.gdesklets
[06:55] <Dr_willis> ijust installed a lot of the developer stuff. :P is ther a 'single' item in synaptic to get the basics of the compiler system going?
[06:55] <Ewwmg> thank you
[06:55] <Rattboi> gdesklets
[06:56] <Rattboi> what's that?
[06:56] <Rattboi> like the osx menu?
[06:56] <akurashy> rempresent: proftpd is already in repository you dont need to compile it manually
[06:56] <rempresent> thanks, but this is the only way i can compile it
[06:56] <Rattboi> *dock, I meant
[06:56] <Ewwmg> Rattboi: google it, I suppose. Quite honestly i don't know too much of it myself, just.. looks nice
[06:56] <Dr_willis> of course why you reallyneed to run a ftpd server is the next question :P
[06:56] <rempresent> the build-essentials isn't working
[06:56] <nightwolf> remove the s
[06:57] <rempresent> thanks
[06:57] <rempresent> i have been trying to compile programs for a while but never got them to go
[06:57] <rempresent> so this will work out great, plus if i get them from the repositories, they put the files in places where i can't find them... in this case
[06:57] <Ewwmg> root@tosh:/home/khan # ls -l ~/.gdesklets
[06:57] <Ewwmg> ls: /root/.gdesklets: No such file or directory
[06:57] <Luke> whenever i try to apt-get openbox it gives me perl errors:
[06:58] <Luke> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[06:58] <Rattboi> hmm
[06:58] <Dr_willis> i dident et that warning just now.
[06:59] <Rattboi> with the ubuntu live cd, can I install stuff from synaptic for that session?
[06:59] <rignes> rempresent: Just out of curiosity, what are the things you've tried to compile?
[06:59] <mbp_> Ewwmg: how are you trying to start it
[06:59] <sonny> Rattboi: yes
[06:59] <mbp_> from memory the procedure to start gdesklets is really wierd
[06:59] <Rattboi> so I can try gdesklets from the live cd?
[06:59] <sonny> I think so
[06:59] <Rattboi> or is there no package?
[06:59] <sonny> don't quote me
[06:59] <sonny> never used it, just know you can install stuff
[07:00] <Ewwmg> mbp_: I have Xfce.. pretty much right-clicking > Accessories > Gdesklets
[07:00] <bitfoo> anyone know why i cant play video files :|
[07:00] <bitfoo> i have every possible codec :|
[07:00] <nightwolf> root@stucko:~ # apt-cache search gdesklet
[07:00] <nightwolf> gdesklets - an advanced architecture for desktop applets
[07:01] <Stereotype> bitfoo: What types of videos?
[07:01] <neighborlee> does anyone have flash working in firefox?..mozilla is fine though..I installed the flashplayer via synaptic and then had to make symlinks in every firefox DIR...still nadda....any idea ? ;-))
[07:01] <bitfoo> wmv avi
[07:01] <bitfoo> i already installed gstreamer0.8-plugins and mplayer with all plugins
[07:01] <Lee__> I don't think wmv 9 has been reverse engineered yet
[07:01] <bitfoo> oh
[07:01] <Stereotype> Yeah, I didn't think it was.
[07:02] <bitfoo> :|
[07:02] <bitfoo> and avi?
[07:02] <Lee__> and Microsoft has been taking a while to release a free software decoder for it  :)
[07:02] <bitfoo> avi though is different
[07:02] <rignes> neighborlee: You could install flash from the flash installer into firefox's plugins directory.
[07:02] <Stereotype> Those avi files aren't DivX encoded?
[07:02] <bitfoo> it plays only sound :|
[07:02] <sonny> avi is a generic term
[07:02] <bitfoo> dunno :|
[07:02] <Stereotype> Or xvid
[07:02] <Lee__> avi is a container, not a codec.
[07:02] <Stereotype> Or 3vix.
[07:02] <bitfoo> its one of them :|
[07:02] <MMXcr> Lee__, could u help! me??
[07:02] <Lee__> like mov or ogg
[07:02] <Stereotype> I hate Quicktime.:-(
[07:03] <sonny> you should be able to play all of the quicktime formats, no ?
[07:03] <neighborlee> rignes, yeah that was my next step is install from fresh download from macromedia ....shrug..Ill  try that but I was hoping for a fix from synaptic source ;(....
[07:03] <bitfoo> Error opening/initializing the selected video_out(-vo) device.
[07:03] <sonny> "-vo xv"
[07:03] <bitfoo> i have no quicktime to test :|
[07:03] <Stereotype> sonny: You need some 3rd party codec.
[07:03] <bitfoo> no xv doesnt work
[07:03] <sonny> "-vo x11" ?
[07:03] <Stereotype> Since Apple are bitches about Quicktime.:-/
[07:03] <neighborlee> bitfoo, <G> try: www.startrek.com : click on the first image on page : click 'video preview'..those are .mov files ( quicktikme).....
[07:04] <bitfoo> It seems there is no Xvideo support for your video card available.
[07:04] <bitfoo> :|
[07:04] <neighborlee> bitfoo, albeit I get no audio ( video is fine) while i firefox yet in mozilla all works perfect....go figya
[07:04] <sonny> Stereotype: Hmm, so you're saying it's illegal to have this 3rd party codec ?
[07:04] <boris__> we cant i get a single f*cking video player to install and work
[07:04] <Stereotype> No, sonny.
[07:04] <Stereotype> Everything on *nix is legal.:-)
[07:04] <Stereotype> :-p
[07:05] <sonny> lol
[07:05] <sonny> ok
[07:05] <boris__> i cannot get totem xine gxine mplayer gmplayer to play ANYTHING or run
[07:05] <boris__> can i get some help
[07:05] <bitfoo> :|
[07:05] <rignes> Is xine in ubuntu?
[07:05] <Stereotype> boris__: Hoary or Warty?
[07:05] <boris__> warty
[07:05] <bitfoo> same here
[07:05] <bitfoo> i could get wmv to play easy on hoary though
[07:05] <Stereotype> rignes: It can be compiled for such.
[07:05] <bitfoo> just with no sound :O
[07:05] <Luke> i think my perl is f'ed up, whenever i try to apt-get anything it gives me a perl warning about locale stuff
[07:05] <Stereotype> Yeah, need the Audio Codec.:-/
[07:05] <Luke> how do i fix this?
[07:05] <boris__> everything installs but wont play
[07:06] <Stereotype> Totem is the best player for me.
[07:06] <Stereotype> All the codecs I had worked.
[07:06] <boris__> nothing works
[07:06] <Stereotype> I use Warty 64.
[07:06] <Stereotype> It works fine for me.
[07:07] <Stereotype> I've seen files in DivX format.
[07:07] <Stereotype> MPEG.
[07:07] <Luke> i think my perl is f'ed up, whenever i try to apt-get anything it gives me a perl warning about locale stuff - how can i fix this?
[07:07] <boris__> is there a setting that blocks ssh by default?
[07:08] <bitfoo> hmm :|
[07:08] <boris__> ???
[07:08] <bitfoo> so no advice on movie playing eh :|
[07:09] <mbp_> boris__: is ssh related to your media player problem?
[07:09] <boris__> no
[07:09] <neighborlee> bitfoo, you asked for a url and I offered one..what were the results ?
[07:09] <boris__> im trying to ssh to my newly install ubuntu server but i keep getting connection refused
[07:09] <sonny> tried doing it manually: http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[07:09] <sonny> ?
[07:09] <mbp_> boris__: are you on the same network, or is there a firewall in between?
[07:10] <boris__> same network
[07:10] <mbp_> boris__: try runninng on the sevrer "netstat -tl" and see if it is listening on the ssh port
[07:10] <randabis> hmm, I'm really liking galeon lately :) except that horrid icon
[07:10] <souki> Luke: maybe try this: LANG=C apt-get ...
[07:10] <Luke> k
[07:11] <boris__> mbp_, what am i looking for
[07:11] <Luke> en.ISO-8859-1...cannot open locale definition file `en': No such file or directory
[07:11] <Luke> thats the error i got
[07:11] <bitfoo> neighborless it didnt work :|
[07:11] <Luke> with a lot of other crap
[07:11] <mbp_> boris__: actually try 'netstat -tln'
[07:11] <souki> Luke: did you try with LANG=C ?
[07:11] <mbp_> and look for a line like this
[07:12] <Luke> yea
[07:12] <mbp_> tcp6       0      0 :::22                   :::*                    LISTEN
[07:12] <bitfoo> but thats cuz i dont have a quicktime plugin for firefox yet :/
[07:12] <mbp_> or, tcp would also be OK
[07:12] <mbp_> but something listening on port 22
[07:12] <Luke> souki: it worked a little better but still outputs a lot of errors
[07:12] <sonny> Luke: apt-get install locales
[07:12] <sonny> ?
[07:12] <boris__> mbp_, all i see is 839 111 631 25
[07:12] <mbp_> ok
[07:12] <mbp_> you need to start the ssh server then
[07:12] <mbp_> mm
[07:12] <mbp_> try
[07:12] <mbp_> sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[07:13] <mbp_> i wonder why it wasn't started
[07:13] <Luke> sonny: i don tthink thats a package
[07:13] <boris__> ssh isnt in there
[07:13] <mbp_> ah
[07:13] <mbp_> that explains it
[07:13] <MMXcr> any knows where if the FireBox browser to install Flash player
[07:14] <mbp_> on the server, sudo apt-get install ssh-server
[07:14] <mbp_> sorry
[07:14] <mbp_> openssh-server
[07:14] <bitfoo> neighborlee,
[07:14] <bitfoo> quicktime works fine :|
[07:14] <sonny> Luke: it is a package
[07:14] <sonny> sonny@scruffy:~ $ dpkg -S /usr/share/i18n/charmaps/ISO-8859-1.gz
[07:14] <Luke> sonny: ok i'll try it thanks
[07:14] <sonny> locales: /usr/share/i18n/charmaps/ISO-8859-1.gz
[07:14] <sonny> sonny@scruffy:~ $
[07:15] <neighborlee> bitfoo, you need : mozplugger and mplayer-custom for it to work ;-) ( you can find info how to at: ubuntuguide.org | info about extra repositories)
[07:15] <bitfoo> bitfoo: quicktime works fine :|
[07:15] <bitfoo> :|
[07:15] <boris__> hey mbp_ thanks man
[07:15] <bitfoo> i need avi and wmv help not quicktime :/
[07:16] <Luke> superted: it wont do it... its already installed
[07:16] <Stereotype> With Audio Bitfoo?
[07:16] <boris__> can you help me at all with getting totem mplayer or xine to actually work?
[07:16] <Luke> sonny: it wont do it - its allready installed
[07:16] <Luke> superted: sorry wrong person
[07:16] <bitfoo> yes
[07:16] <bitfoo> with audio
[07:16] <Stereotype> Lucky Bastard.:-(
[07:16] <bitfoo> :|
[07:16] <mbp_> boris__: heh, not beyond googling for 'ubuntu mplayer'
[07:16] <mbp_> uh
[07:16] <carthik> Has anyone had any luck with a Linksys Wireless Card on a desktop (It's a WMP54G card) ?
[07:16] <mbp_> have a look at the multimedia FAQ
[07:16] <mbp_> boris__: you're welome
[07:17] <sonny> Luke: try "env | grep LANG "
[07:17] <Agrajag> Luke: what about dpkg --reconfigure?
[07:17] <Stereotype> carthik: Last I knew that PRISM chipset wasn't *nix compat.
[07:17] <Agrajag> or something like that
[07:17] <neighborlee> bitfoo, I think mozplugger handles avi too..if  not I know 'vlc multimedia plugin' does...search synaptic for 'vlc'
[07:17] <Lee__> any secret to installing the prism2 wireless drivers without recompiling a kernel?
[07:17] <mbp_> 'netstat -tln' is a good place to start when debugging a server; it shows you which tcp ports are accepting connections
[07:17] <Agrajag> check the dpkg manual
[07:17] <bitfoo> vlc is a mplayer?
[07:17] <carthik> Stereotype, thanks, so what would be my best option, if I were to return this, what card can I get?
[07:17] <Luke> sonny: LANG=en
[07:17] <Luke> LANGUAGE=en_GB:en_US:en
[07:17] <neighborlee> bitfoo, yes
[07:17] <sonny> Luke: hmm
[07:18] <neighborlee> bitfoo, ie: mozilla-plugin-vlc
[07:18] <Lee__> carthik: I'm trying to get a D-Link dwl-650
[07:18] <K-Rich> hey guys, i jusr got some icon themes fr4om art.gnome.org, when i try to instalkl them under the themes they don't show up... is there another way to do it?
[07:18] <Stereotype> carthik: Linksys used to be the best to get.
[07:18] <souki> Luke: there is something bad with perl
[07:18] <Stereotype> DWL has issues too.
[07:18] <Luke> yea i know
[07:18] <Luke> how do i fix it
[07:18] <Lee__> excellent
[07:18] <Stereotype> Same Chipset.
[07:18] <Stereotype> Stupid TI.
[07:19] <Luke> Agrajag: there is no dpkg --reconfigure command i guess
[07:19] <souki> Luke: maybe :  dpkg-reconfigure locales
[07:19] <carthik> Stereotype, yes, so what would work with Ubuntu, off the bat, so to speak. i just want wireless access, without hacking away at anything :)
[07:19] <Lee__> so the only answer is to get the hostap-source package and recompile the kernel?
[07:19] <Luke> souki: its not installed
[07:19] <Luke> souki: dpkg-reconfigure isnt that is
[07:19] <Stereotype> I need to look that up.
[07:19] <pdaoust> quuuuuuuuuuick question about flashdrives: all my CDs and digital cameras mount, and pop up a Nautilus window and everything, but... my new flashdrive doesn't.
[07:20] <pdaoust> hotplug installs the appropriate drivers, hal picks it up too, but doesn't bother alerting gvm to the presence of the new drive.
[07:20] <pdaoust> (using hoary, btw)
[07:20] <Lee__> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards/view?searchterm=prism2 seems to think that my card should work automatically
[07:20] <souki> Luke: yes, it was a typo error
[07:21] <K-Rich> nm figured it out
[07:21] <souki> Luke: what's in /etc/environment ?
[07:21] <pdaoust> oh, here's another question: should the flashdrive be in my /etc/fstab or not? I've heard people say both, which is kinda confusing.
[07:22] <Luke> souki: hold up - i'm trying to uninstall and reinstall locales
[07:22] <Stereotype> Wow, D-Link support went up. I had a hard time getting RH9 to see my DWL-520.
[07:23] <Stereotype> Anything based on the   orinoco chipset, I think works well with *nix.
[07:23] <pdaoust> I promise I'll try to help someone out if they have any advice for me ;)
[07:23] <mojo_> neighborlee:  are  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main (and unstable and testing) okay in sources.list if I've switched my warty entries to hoary already a while back?
[07:24] <Stereotype> My old PC Card II WiFi card works.
[07:24] <carthik> Lee__, and does it work, then?
[07:24] <piratePenguin> is there a program for linux *dedicated* to playing swf's properly, with sound etc.. ?
[07:24] <Lee__> Stereotype: unfortunately, hotplug doesn't seem to load the right driver. modprobe orinoco_cs doesn't complain.
[07:24] <Stereotype> I got a Linksys 54G card, not knowing they changed chipsets.:-(
[07:24] <pdaoust> piratePenguin: naw, I just set Flash files to open up in Firefox -- best I can think of
[07:24] <Lee__> but when I put the card in it detects /something/ and gives me an eth0 device, not a wlan0
[07:25] <Stereotype> Yeah.
[07:25] <piratePenguin> pdaoust: it wont gimme sound for some reason
[07:25] <pdaoust> piratePenguin: hmmmmmm, innerestink.
[07:25] <pdaoust> piratePenguin: you have Flash 7 (non-free) installed?
[07:26] <piratePenguin> pdaoust: yep
[07:26] <Lee__> I'll have to try this wireless stuff when I'm actually near an AP. Now onto the modem...
[07:27] <pdaoust> piratePenguin: hmmmmm, odd. I remember having this problem once upon a time. and, come to think of it, I tried a Flash file today and there was no sound. hang on...
[07:27] <piratePenguin> hmm
[07:27] <delltony> anyone know of a good proxy locator for ubuntu? looking for something much like charon that is using in windows
[07:28] <bitfoo> does ubuntu have alsa support built into the kernel automagically
[07:29] <souki> bitfoo: yes
[07:29] <bitfoo> hmmm...
[07:29] <MMXcr> anybody know where is the path of mozilla????
[07:29] <pdaoust> piratePenguin: this is whack... Flash doesn't even work properly in my computer anymore. It was working fine last time I used it...
[07:29] <pdaoust> MMXcr: should be /usr/bin/mozilla
[07:29] <sonny> MMXcr: which mozilla
[07:29] <mojo_> pdaoust & priatePenguin:  I don't get flash audio either :(
[07:29] <pdaoust> MMXcr: looking for Firefox, or Mozilla proper?
[07:29] <MMXcr> pdaoust: yes Firefox
[07:29] <pdaoust> mojo_ and piratePenguin: did you ever have it working before? 'cuz I did...
[07:29] <pdaoust> just stopped now
[07:30] <pdaoust> MMXcr: one sec
[07:30] <MMXcr> oki
[07:30] <delltony> type which firefox
[07:30] <delltony> and it will tell you
[07:30] <pdaoust> MMXcr: I can see it at /usr/bin/firefox
[07:30] <mojo_> pdaoust: not that i recall...
[07:30] <piratePenguin> I never really use swf's ... only installed flash player today
[07:30] <piratePenguin> never got sound
[07:30] <pdaoust> piratePenguin: inneresting...
[07:30] <MMXcr> pdaoust: let me check it out
[07:30] <bitfoo> i try to play a video file, but i get an error about my soundcard.  even though oss is chosen.  if i go to preferences in mplayer and then just press ok, the sound plays fine.  so i think alsa is not available
[07:30] <bitfoo> possibly because i am using 2.6.10 on warty :|
[07:31] <ubuntu> hmm
[07:31] <ubuntu> im running hoary live cd
[07:31] <ubuntu> theres no xawtv in apt sources.
[07:31] <ubuntu> should i get the warty one ?
[07:31] <pdaoust> bitfoo: what's yer soundcard error?
[07:31] <MMXcr> pdaoust: thanks, i'm install flash player
[07:32] <bitfoo> Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.
[07:32] <MMXcr> pdaoust: that's why i need the path of firefox
[07:32] <pdaoust> MMXcr: no prob. should install itself at /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[07:32] <souki> bitfoo: ls /proc/asound/
[07:32] <pdaoust> MMXcr: that's where firefox looks for its plugins in
[07:32] <mojo_> fwiw i'm using 2.6.10-2 hoary, ffox Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050128 Firefox/1.0 (Ubuntu)  and libflashplayer.so v 7.0r25
[07:32] <MMXcr> pdaoust: ahhh that's the place to install
[07:32] <bitfoo> nothing
[07:32] <bitfoo> its wierd
[07:32] <pdaoust> MMXcr: yep :)
[07:32] <bitfoo> i get that error
[07:32] <souki> bitfoo: so you don't have alsa
[07:33] <bitfoo> and then if i hit stop
[07:33] <bitfoo> and then play again
[07:33] <bitfoo> it works :|
[07:33] <MMXcr> pdaoust: oki let me put there
[07:33] <bitfoo> yah
[07:33] <bitfoo> bitfoo@horus:~/.mplayer $ modinfo snd
[07:33] <bitfoo> filename:       /lib/modules/2.6.10-2-686/kernel/sound/core/snd.ko
[07:33] <bitfoo> author:         Jaroslav Kysela <perex@suse.cz>
[07:33] <bitfoo> description:    Advanced Linux Sound Architecture driver for soundcards.
[07:33] <bitfoo> souki
[07:33] <bitfoo> :|
[07:34] <pdaoust> this is unsane.... I'm having the same problems with Flash, and it's always worked for me.
[07:34] <pdaoust> sorry, guys, can't help you out...
[07:34] <souki> bitfoo: lsmod|grep snd
[07:34] <piratePenguin> k...
[07:35] <ubuntu> anyone use xawtv with hoary ?
[07:35] <bitfoo> lots of stuff there
[07:35] <piratePenguin> pdaoust: did you recently upgrade?
[07:35] <pdaoust> piratePenguin: can't think of what I upgraded, one sec
[07:35] <piratePenguin> or could it be a sound server/card issue?
[07:36] <pdaoust> piratePenguin: could very well be.........
[07:36] <MMXcr> pdaoust: trouble, invalid directory for /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[07:36] <pdaoust> piratePenguin: if you run gstreamer-properties
[07:36] <pdaoust> piratePenguin: what does it list for the default sink and source
[07:36] <pdaoust> ?
[07:36] <pdaoust> MMXcr: now that's curious...
[07:37] <MMXcr> pdaoust: yes I now that's the usual place
[07:37] <piratePenguin> ESD, OSS, respectively
[07:37] <MMXcr> pdaoust: it's a little different ubuntu
[07:37] <pdaoust> MMXcr: are your privileges okay? i.e., did you either run your package manager as root (or, if you got Flash from the Macromedia website, sudo the Flash installation command)?
[07:37] <MMXcr> pdaoust: from redhat
[07:37] <pdaoust> piratePenguin: hm, got Alsa both places here.
[07:37] <pdaoust> weird
[07:38] <MMXcr> pdaoust: yes i'm in root privileges
[07:38] <MMXcr> pdaoust: i use sudo -s
[07:38] <piratePenguin> pdaoust: yea I dont use alsa cause of my headset
[07:38] <pdaoust> MMXcr: are you installing the one off Macromedia's website?
[07:38] <pdaoust> piratePenguin: gotcha; it's a USB headset?
[07:38] <souki> bitfoo: sorry, I don't see... I have this in ~/.mplayer/config
[07:39] <souki> bitfoo: ao=alsa
[07:39] <bitfoo> hmm
[07:39] <bitfoo> i will try and add that
[07:39] <MMXcr> pdaoust: yes i download the install flash player
[07:39] <neighborlee> mojo_, faik yes...those have nothing to do with the  main system
[07:39] <pdaoust> MMXcr: the Ubuntu-supplied one didn't work for you?
[07:39] <piratePenguin> pdaoust: yep... USB
[07:39] <neighborlee> mojo_, sorry was browsing and missed your question :(
[07:39] <mojo_> neighborlee: thx..
[07:39] <neighborlee> mojo_, np
[07:40] <mojo_> neighborlee: np
[07:40] <MMXcr> pdaoust: whait a minute pleace....
[07:40] <pdaoust> MMXcr: no prob
[07:40] <mojo_> neighborlee:  i tried sudo apt-get update n-e-way, and got W:
[07:40] <mojo_> neighborlee:  i tried sudo apt-get update n-e-way, and got W:'s about GPG keys... You know where / how to get those on keyring?
[07:40] <mojo_> (for marillat deps)
[07:40] <MMXcr> pdaoust: yes died the flash player
[07:40] <neighborlee> mojo_, one sec
[07:41] <MMXcr> pdaoust: sorry don't work
[07:41] <bitfoo> nope souki :O
[07:41] <pdaoust> MMXcr: just didn't install at all, or you're having the same problem as the rest of us (i.e., no sound)?
[07:41] <bitfoo> souki if i stop movie and then restart in mplayer instance sound works :|
[07:41] <MMXcr> pdaoust: it's because i need to go to this site atp.ulatina.ac.cr
[07:42] <MMXcr> pdaoust: no my sound card work perfect
[07:42] <souki> bitfoo: do you have some buffer overrun in your logs ?
[07:42] <bitfoo> hmm i dunno
[07:42] <bitfoo> which log in /var/logs ?
[07:42] <pdaoust> MMXcr: so the version of Flash that Ubuntu supplies... just didn't install then?
[07:42] <souki> bitfoo: dmesg
[07:43] <MMXcr> pdaoust: nop
[07:43] <defile> so far, Hoary rocks
[07:43] <pdaoust> hmmmmmmmm
[07:43] <bitfoo> ohhh yah :|
[07:43] <bitfoo> ACPI-1138: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BAT0._BST]  (Node c18df1e0), AE_AML_NO_RETURN_VALUE
[07:43] <MMXcr> pdaoust: that's happen to me whith redhat 9.0
[07:43] <bitfoo> i get that about 50 times :|
[07:43] <piratePenguin> pdaoust: any ideas? I installed from the Macromedia site btw
[07:43] <souki> bitfoo: boark :)
[07:43] <bitfoo> ;[
[07:44] <pdaoust> MMXcr: can you tell me the output of this command?
[07:44] <pdaoust> ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[07:44] <souki> bitfoo: this log is for ACPI and the battery status
[07:44] <bitfoo> yes, not sound :/
[07:45] <bitfoo> battery status is because dsdt table is corrupt
[07:45] <bitfoo> it does not show remaining battery life but that is a different issue :/
[07:45] <souki> bitfoo: yes I have this too :)
[07:45] <bitfoo> heh
[07:45] <MMXcr> pdaoust: root@Mustang:/lib # ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[07:45] <MMXcr> total 20
[07:45] <MMXcr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        19600 2004-10-13 06:50 libnullplugin.so
[07:45] <bitfoo> souki: i'm supposed to recompile kernel or something to make it work :|
[07:46] <bitfoo> or hack dsdt table
[07:46] <MMXcr> pdaoust: what that means????
[07:46] <souki> bitfoo: do you have a smart battery ?
[07:46] <bitfoo> what do you mean
[07:47] <bitfoo> its kind of smart
[07:47] <MMXcr> pdaoust: i know about rw privileges
[07:47] <souki> bitfoo: I have a batery wich is a "SmartBattery"tm
[07:47] <pdaoust> MMXcr: I'm just curious about the contents of your folder /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins... I'm thinking the Flash plugin might have installed after all
[07:47] <bitfoo> it knows when it is plugged in and not
[07:47] <bitfoo> i dunno i have an asus :/
[07:47] <MMXcr> pdaoust: let me try to install in that path
[07:47] <pdaoust> MMXcr: you're looking for a symlink that looks like this: libflashplayer.so -> /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[07:48] <bitfoo> souki: what about the sound :|
[07:48] <piratePenguin> pdaoust: what device/program (?) does Flash send its sound to? Would it be the same as like Totem?
[07:49] <MMXcr> pdaoust: i'm not looking a symlink
[07:49] <souki> bitfoo: can you try to shut your X Session and play a sound in console ?
[07:49] <MMXcr> pdaoust: i have an idea let me try this
[07:50] <souki> bitfoo: aplay sound.wav
[07:50] <pdaoust> MMXcr: good luck :)
[07:50] <bitfoo> hmm
[07:50] <bitfoo> i dunno if i have wavs lol :|
[07:50] <pdaoust> piratePenguin: I was wondering that myself, one sec
[07:51] <bitfoo> yes i canplay souki
[07:51] <bitfoo> in terminal
[07:51] <souki> bitfoo: try several times (maybe you will get a buffer overrun)
[07:52] <pdaoust> piratePenguin: interesting, looks like Flash first looks for esd, if it can find it.
[07:52] <bitfoo> i just did 10 times no overflow :O
[07:52] <piratePenguin> pdaoust: um, thats what I use?
[07:53] <mike_douglas> I'm looking for a way to have a home directory that on every logout would return itself to its previous state. Anyway this is possible on Ubuntu?
[07:53] <souki> bitfoo: do you use gnome or kde or what ?
[07:53] <bitfoo> gnome :|
[07:53] <pdaoust> piratePenguin: yeh, try using ESD - Enlightened Sound Daemon as the 'default sink' in gstreamer-properties
[07:53] <bitfoo> mike_douglas, you mean so no files could be saved? :|
[07:53] <pdaoust> piratePenguin: I'm gonna try that myself
[07:53] <souki> bitfoo: so you have an issue with esd
[07:54] <dread65> hey what do i apt-get install to compile java programs.. like javac thanks
[07:54] <mike_douglas> bitfoo: ya
[07:54] <MMXcr> pdaoust: look this Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,
[07:54] <MMXcr> or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[07:54] <MMXcr> WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
[07:54] <pdaoust> MMXcr: weird... are you sure you have Firefox installed? ;)
[07:55] <pdaoust> piratePenguin: poo, didn't work
[07:55] <piratePenguin> pdaoust: ESD has always been my default sink :s
[07:55] <pdaoust> still no sound
[07:55] <pdaoust> :)
[07:55] <MMXcr> pdaoust: i use the ubutun install cd
[07:55] <bitfoo> mike_douglas, i think you can probably make a new user account and just make its home directory read only :|
[07:55] <bitfoo> souki i think my esd is oki :/
[07:55] <bitfoo> it works fine in xmms :|
[07:55] <piratePenguin> bitfoo: does it work for swf's ?
[07:55] <mike_douglas> bitfoo: but I want it to be writeable, only that it nothing is saved beyond the logout
[07:56] <pdaoust> piratePenguin: I'm stumped...
[07:56] <bitfoo> yeh piratePenguin
[07:56] <MMXcr> pdaoust: maybe i do something wrong on instalation
[07:56] <souki> bitfoo: yes but it does not free de dsp, that's why you cannot use alsa under gnome
[07:56] <pdaoust> MMXcr: maybe it would be helpful to know exactly what problems you had when you tried to install the Ubuntu-supplied Flash player
[07:56] <bitfoo> oh that makes total sense souki :|
[07:56] <bitfoo> how do i free it
[07:56] <MMXcr> pdaoust: remember a newbie dummie
[07:57] <souki> bitfoo: you should config mplayer to use esd not alsa
[07:57] <MMXcr> pdaoust: ok let me see that
[07:57] <pdaoust> MMXcr: no worries; we were all there at one time :) I think it probably wasn't installation, probably just some installation problems...
[07:57] <souki> bitfoo: or you can try tu use alsa-dmix
[07:57] <MMXcr> pdaoust: ok
[07:58] <pdaoust> MMXcr: okay, sooooooooo... how did you try to install the Flash player after you finished the Ubuntu installation?
[07:58] <pdaoust> ('cuz it doesn't install by default)
[07:58] <pdaoust> (silly, I know)
[07:58] <bitfoo> i have no alsa-dmix :(
[07:59] <dread65> HOw DO I INSTALL JAVA
[07:59] <bitfoo> dread65, www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:59] <souki> bitfoo: you have, it's just a asoundrc config file
[07:59] <souki> bitfoo: just google: asoundrc+dmix
[07:59] <dread65> anyone know how to make my laptop not throttle down
[08:00] <pdaoust> dread65: so you wanna install Java, eh... :) it's fun... but yeah, you'll find it at ubuntuguide.org... as for laptops, I've never owned one, so I can't help ya there
[08:00] <bitfoo> oki
[08:00] <dread65> pdaoust:  how about gkrellm
[08:00] <dread65> how do i go about doing that
[08:01] <MMXcr> pdaoust: oui because I open that site whith flash and the plugin require logo it's there
[08:01] <souki> bitfoo: dmix can mix several sounds (in the same way esd does)
[08:01] <shushi2005> Would someone help me connect to my wireless network? I am using an Inspiron 4100 and an SS1021 wireless adapter.
[08:01] <LucidVisions> does anyone here run with scsi drives?
[08:01] <shushi2005> The device is not seen, and both the power and link lights are on.
[08:02] <Agrajag> no, I walk with them, so I don't drop them
[08:02] <pdaoust> dread65: should be in your software catalogue (Synaptic or Aptitude or whatever)... if it's not, you'll probably need to enable the universe and multiverse repositories... are you familiar with that?
[08:02] <tux> is there a way to save ones live cd settings to usb key with hoary ?
[08:02] <pdaoust> LucidVisions: I have a USB flashdrive that emulates a SCSI drive; does that count? ;)
[08:02] <pdaoust> tux: I'd imagine you can... you want to do something like Mandrake Move?
[08:02] <tux> aye, thats what i was thinking
[08:02] <dread65> pdaoust: nope
[08:02] <tux> you can do it with knoppix too!
[08:02] <pdaoust> tux: hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
[08:02] <LucidVisions> pdaoust:lol,naww,,this is a blade server,, I am running with 3 currentlu,and im wondering what fileystem would be the fastest
[08:03] <dread65> pdaoust: what category would that be in under synaptic
[08:03] <pdaoust> LucidVisions... good question. ext2 is still the fastest, I'd imagine it's the case for SCSI as well as ATA
[08:03] <LucidVisions> this blade has 3 scsi drives,but im really wanting to optimise the flesystem for the drives
[08:03] <K-Rich> what file does finger read by default ?
[08:03] <pdaoust> LucidVisions: at any rate, ext2 has the lowest latency
[08:04] <pdaoust> dread65: let's see... don't know; I just searched for gkrellm
[08:04] <LucidVisions> pdaoust: I did not know that,
[08:04] <LucidVisions> humm
[08:04] <LucidVisions> I thought xfs would be the fastest,,
[08:04] <LucidVisions> of riser4
[08:04] <pdaoust> LucidVisions: but I'd probably stick with ext3 if you're running a production server, just for journalling support
[08:04] <MMXcr> pdaoust: what a problem man
[08:05] <pdaoust> LucidVisions: hmmmmmmmm... actually, I think you're right?
[08:05] <MMXcr> pdaoust: it's funny
[08:05] <pdaoust> dread65: but first you'll have to click on the Settings menu, click on 'Repositories', and enable anything you see there ^_^
[08:05] <LucidVisions> Im usiung this for my desktop pc,,hehe
[08:05] <pdaoust> MMXcr: yeah, this is weird
[08:05] <LucidVisions> a blade for the desktop,,man I love saying that
[08:05] <souki> LucidVisions: reiserfs if you have a lot of small files
[08:05] <LucidVisions> I got it from work free when they upgraded
[08:05] <pdaoust> MMXcr: tu es un/une francophone?
[08:06] <FAST> can anyone tell me how to configure sound? there are 2 sound cards on this computer...
[08:06] <bitfoo> how do you see alsa version
[08:06] <pdaoust> LucidVisions: fun stuff!
[08:06] <LucidVisions> souki: cool man,that acually sounds like it would be more ideal
[08:06] <MMXcr> pdaoust: nop i'm a TICO, Costarican
[08:06] <pdaoust> MMXcr: ah, just saw you say 'oui' and figured 'French'
[08:07] <dread65> pdaoust:  i dont see a settings menu
[08:07] <LucidVisions> pdaoust: hehe,,It has gentoo on it,but I much prefer apt-
[08:07] <pdaoust> LucidVisions: I was reading about this just the other day... for large chunks of files that need to be saved (e.g., audio editing), reiser is slower and ext3 is faster... for small files, reiser4 is the best
[08:07] <shushi2005> Would someon help me configure my network card? I have an Inspiron 4100 and a SS1021 wireless adapter. Both the power and connection lights are lit constantly but I have no connection or interface to configure. Can anyone help?
[08:07] <pdaoust> LucidVisions: you prefer apt to portage?
[08:07] <pdaoust> shushi2005: sorry, saw you ask that a few times; no experience with wireless myself.
[08:08] <souki> LucidVisions: stay with version 3 of reiserfs
[08:08] <pdaoust> dread65: in Synaptic, menus should be File, Edit, Package, Settings, Help
[08:08] <FAST> is there an equivalent to sndconfig in ubuntu?
[08:08] <MMXcr> pdaoust: jaja it's usually in Costa Rica to say yes, you say some times oui, i speack spanish, and english, but rigth now it's a mess because i have a year to i don't write english
[08:08] <shushi2005> pdaoust, thanks for your concern :) i am kinda lost though, orinoco_cs doesn't work though I am told it should...
[08:08] <LucidVisions> souki: cool,,that sounds like the best,then i wont have to patch the kernel
[08:08] <LucidVisions> lol
[08:08] <MMXcr> pdaoust: or speak
[08:08] <pdaoust> MMXcr: interesting. so why do you say oui sometimes? is there a French population there?
[08:09] <souki> LucidVisions: I use reiserfs3 on mail servers since serveral years, I love this fs
[08:09] <LucidVisions> Pdaoust: I just dont like how portage/emerge take forever,compiling from source is very time consuming
[08:09] <pdaoust> shushi2005: yeah, sorry I couldn't help, but you seemed desperate, so I thought I'd let you know someone noticed you there ^_^ no money, personally, to buy wireless
[08:09] <pdaoust> souki and LucidVisions: I'm using Reiser too, and I'm happy with it
[08:10] <pdaoust> haven't tried reiser4 yet tho
[08:10] <MMXcr> pdaoust: no it's because my sister are studie french, and we have some people stay at home from suitzland
[08:10] <Stereotype> Don't try Reiser 4. It's hella unstable.
[08:10] <pdaoust> MMXcr: okay, so back to the Flash thing. Did you try to install Flash through the Synaptic package manager?
[08:10] <pdaoust> MMXcr: ah, I see
[08:10] <pdaoust> cool stuff!
[08:10] <souki> pdaoust: yes, I will wait mainstraem v4 in vanilla-kernel
[08:10] <LucidVisions> Stereotype: Thanks for the heads up,
[08:11] <pdaoust> souki: is it coming soon? it'd be great for people like me, with maildir-style mail setup
[08:11] <MMXcr> pdaoust: Synaptic packege, umm nop i try to do at walking
[08:11] <bitfoo> :|
[08:11] <souki> pdaoust: I don't know, but it was rejected from kernel tree
[08:11] <MMXcr> pdaoust: let me see that of the Synaptic
[08:11] <pdaoust> MMXcr: ah, okay. cool. So, go to the Computer menu, then System Configuration
[08:11] <pdaoust> MMXcr: in there you'll find Synaptic.
[08:12] <MMXcr> pdaoust: ok man
[08:12] <Stereotype> Or open up the run command and type "synaptic".:-/
[08:12] <MMXcr> pdaoust: perfect i'm there
[08:12] <pdaoust> MMXcr: this is your package manager; here you can install all sorts of lovely packages. First of all, though, you'll need to enable the 'restricted' repository
[08:13] <MMXcr> pdaoust: ok
[08:13] <MMXcr> pdaoust: i need to use my root password
[08:13] <piratePenguin> pdaoust / anyone: figured out the audio madness in flash?
[08:14] <pdaoust> MMXcr: actually, you can just type your regular user's password, which (in Ubuntu) doubles as the root password
[08:14] <pdaoust> piratePenguin: I've given up, personally... I'll miss Homestar Runner, but I just don't feel like wrestling with my computer right now ^_^
[08:14] <pdaoust> MMXcr: Ubuntu's software catalogue is broken up into a bunch of repositories... there's the 'main' repository, for most of the common packages, then 'restricted' for license-restricted things like MP3 and Flash, then 'universe' and 'multiverse' for all sorts of programs you may or may not want.
[08:15] <pdaoust> MMXcr: in Synaptic package manager, click on 'Settings' menu, then 'Repositories'
[08:15] <MMXcr> pdaoust: ok
[08:15] <piratePenguin> pdaoust: k.. np
[08:15] <dread65> pdaoust: the guide doesnt tell me how to run the compiler
[08:15] <pdaoust> MMXcr: then you can see a list of repositories. Click on the first one that says "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/"
[08:15] <pdaoust> dread65: yikes, what do you want to compile?
[08:15] <pdaoust> dread65: a Java source file?
[08:15] <MMXcr> pdaoust: detail ubutu tellme if i whant to update some package}
[08:16] <zenrox> MMXcr, www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:16] <pdaoust> MMXcr: hmmmmmm... could you copy the exact text of the message into this channel?
[08:17] <bitfoo> dmix works fine souki
[08:17] <zenrox> please use www.patebin.com
[08:17] <MMXcr> pdaoust: uri http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[08:17] <bitfoo> im going to sleep now but thanks for your suggestions :)
[08:17] <dread65> pdaoust:  yea
[08:17] <MMXcr> pdaoust: distribution warty
[08:17] <delltony> anyone here know how to get paltalk to run on wine?
[08:18] <MMXcr> pdaoust: section(es) main restricted
[08:18] <pdaoust> zenrox: sorry, figured it'd be a short enough thingy that MMXcr could just paste it in this channel
[08:18] <pdaoust> MMXcr: okay, so it says main AND restricted?
[08:19] <MMXcr> pdaoust: ok
[08:19] <pdaoust> MMXcr: okay, I think you're okay then. press Cancel
[08:19] <MMXcr> pdaoust: ok
[08:19] <pdaoust> MMXcr: then click on the Search button in the toolbar
[08:19] <pdaoust> MMXcr: actually, forget about that. first, press the 'Reload' button; this will give you the newest version of the catalogue
[08:20] <pdaoust> MMXcr: once that's done, you can search for flashplugin-nonfree
[08:20] <aj> how do you make warty X work with the i845g chipset?
[08:20] <pdaoust> which is Flash 7
[08:20] <MMXcr> pdaoust: ok
[08:20] <shushi2005> Where is the boot log?
[08:20] <aj> oh, i810 should work, maybe i don't have that chipset then
[08:21] <souki> shushi2005: dmesg|less
[08:21] <shushi2005> souki, thakns
[08:21] <pdaoust> soooooooo... anyone know if I need to have my USB flashdrive listed in /etc/fstab before gnome-volume-manager can automount it? CDs will automount, but not my shiny new flashdrive...
[08:21] <MMXcr> pdaoust: ups i don't know were is the search button in the toolbar, that's on top, or down toolbars???
[08:22] <pdaoust> MMXcr: in the Synaptic toolbar. should be the last button.
[08:22] <MMXcr> ok
[08:22] <pdaoust> MMXcr: (not the GNOME panels)
[08:22] <dread65> pdaoust:  how would i make gkrellm start up automatically when i login
[08:22] <MMXcr> pdaoust: sorry i forget that important detail
[08:22] <pdaoust> MMXcr: no prob :)
[08:22] <MMXcr> pdaoust: jeje
[08:23] <MMXcr> pdaoust: i look like a idiot
[08:23] <pdaoust> dread65: Computer menu > Desktop Preferences > Sessions
[08:23] <MMXcr> pdaoust: jeje =P
[08:23] <pdaoust> MMXcr: no problem, we all feel like fools when we start :)
[08:23] <souki> pdaoust: I think it's quite unpredictable, I don't understand how it works (or not)
[08:23] <aj> how do you make warty X work with the intel 915g chipset?
[08:23] <pdaoust> souki: you're talking about gnome-volume-manager?
[08:23] <pdaoust> aj: sorry, no experience with it
[08:23] <souki> pdaoust: I don't know
[08:24] <ALTF4osu> anyone else try installing the 64 bit warty on an emachines m58xx??
[08:24] <pdaoust> souki: automounting?
[08:24] <souki> pdaoust: my external 1394 is mounting an desktop very well
[08:24] <souki> pdaoust: my usb key does not
[08:24] <MMXcr> pdaoust: no there is no packege selected
[08:24] <dread65> pdaoust:  and adding the program name there would automatically start it up?
[08:24] <pdaoust> souki: yeah, my cameras mount fine.
[08:24] <pdaoust> dread65: oh yeah, that's what I was doing. ummmm... let's see...
[08:25] <jdub> pdaoust: you don't want stuff in fstab for g-v-m to work
[08:25] <pdaoust> jdub: that's what I thought, but I found a post on the forums that said you *do* and I was a tad confused... especially considering /dev/cdrom et al are in there, and they mount fine.
[08:25] <pdaoust> dread65: yep, just click 'Add' under Startup Programs, and away you go
[08:25] <souki> pdaoust: but what is anoying me is the naming scheme, my 1394 is sda1, my usb is sda1
[08:25] <ALTF4osu> anyone have any ideas about 64 bit version on an emachines laptop?
[08:26] <pdaoust> MMXcr: no package even appears in the list, after you search?
[08:26] <pdaoust> ALTF4osu: sorry, don't have the kind of cash to throw on a 64-bit machine :)
[08:26] <pdaoust> not that lucky
[08:26] <pdaoust> souki: hey, that's fun
[08:26] <ALTF4osu> neither do I... well... the emachines (now gateway) is only $1300
[08:27] <pdaoust> my flashdrive jiggled loose and when I shoved it in further, it remounted itself as sdb1
[08:27] <ALTF4osu> AMD 64 bit 3200+ processor with some bells and whistles
[08:27] <ALTF4osu> but it's my work machine
[08:27] <ALTF4osu> :)
[08:27] <pdaoust> ALTF4osu: I've heard about that machine
[08:27] <pdaoust> apparently it's quite good, especially for an eMachine
[08:27] <Stereotype> ALTF4osu: AMD64 3200+ and it's my home machine.:-)
[08:28] <pdaoust> MMXcr: how's your searching going?
[08:28] <pdaoust> you said that no package was selected
[08:28] <pdaoust> does that mean it didn't even find a package?
[08:28] <ALTF4osu> the only issue that i've had (well.. other than the original one that i bought first (lower model) die) is the screen hinge seems to form a crack on it
[08:28] <MMXcr> pdaoust: yes
[08:29] <pdaoust> MMXcr: hm, didn't find a package.
[08:29] <MMXcr> pdaoust: yes it's a bad traduccion from spanish
[08:29] <ALTF4osu> anyway, when i try to install the 64bit warty, i get to the boot: prompt, but no matter what i do, it freezes on the "select language" screen
[08:29] <MMXcr> pdaoust: traduction
[08:29] <pdaoust> MMXcr: ah, gotcha :)
[08:29] <jdub> pdaoust: our g-v-m uses pmount, which does not require fstab entries
[08:29] <pdaoust> MMXcr: actually, is it okay if I look at your computer?
[08:29] <jdub> pdaoust: always take forum information with a grain of salt :)
[08:29] <dread65> pdaoust:  ok cool i guess i have to relogin to test it out is there anyway to do that withot exiting here
[08:30] <pdaoust> jdub: yeah, I guess so :)
[08:30] <Stereotype> ALTF4osu: I had no issues installing Warty. Just that it was picky with LBA and Normal.
[08:30] <pdaoust> jdub: so here's the dilly-o: pmount works beautifully... but I'm hoping I can just have flashdrives automount instead of typing pmount
[08:30] <MMXcr> pdaoust: if u can, because i use cablemodem system whith out IP PUBLIC
[08:30] <jdub> pdaoust: is g-v-m running?
[08:30] <pdaoust> MMXcr: ohhhhhhhh... interesting.
[08:30] <pdaoust> jdub: one sec
[08:30] <MMXcr> pdaoust: could you do that??
[08:31] <pdaoust> jdub: oh, guess it's gotta be; it automounts CDs
[08:31] <pdaoust> MMXcr: yep, just one second.
[08:31] <jdub> pdaoust: ps afx | grep volume
[08:31] <pdaoust> MMXcr: that is... I think
[08:31] <MMXcr> pdaoust: ok man
[08:31] <ALTF4osu> Stereotype: but you're not on an m68xx are you?
[08:31] <pdaoust> jdub: yep, it's there
[08:31] <jdub> pdaoust: and you've checked the prefs dialogue?
[08:31] <pdaoust> MMXcr: Computer menu, Desktop Preferences, Remote Desktop
[08:32] <pdaoust> jdub: you bet; let's see... it says...
[08:32] <jdub> [x]  Browse removable media when inserted
[08:32] <nitrox> What up.. Fellow nix users
[08:32] <jdub> ^ must be checked :)
[08:32] <pdaoust> jdub: "Mount removable drives when hot-plugged"
[08:32] <MMXcr> pdaoust: ok i'm there
[08:32] <jdub> yep, all those three
[08:32] <pdaoust> jdub: that one's checked too
[08:32] <jdub> good
[08:32] <nitrox> Just got turned on to this distro by a friend
[08:32] <jdub> pdaoust: now open the device manager
[08:33] <FAST> can anyone tell me how to configure the sound cards on this computer? and how to set which one is used, etc
[08:33] <jdub> pdaoust: and insert your usb key or whatever it is -> you should see the device appear
[08:33] <pdaoust> jdub: SND1 storage, USB Mass Storage Interface, SCSI Host Interface
[08:34] <jdub> cool
[08:34] <pdaoust> jdub: like I said, pmount /dev/sdb1 works great
[08:34] <nitrox> I am trying to get VNCSERVER to work on this machine but when i login through VNCVIEWER all i see is big X on my cursor and no desktop
[08:34] <jdub> if you do tail /var/log/messages, you should see information about it being inserted
[08:34] <jdub> pdaoust: what kind of filesystem is on this device?
[08:34] <pdaoust> fat16
[08:34] <jdub> nitrox: your vncserver hasn't been configured to actually start anything
[08:34] <jdub> pdaoust: hmm
[08:35] <k3vb0t> greetings all
[08:35] <ALTF4osu> here's another question, I have slackware installed on my second partition already, do i need to remove it and format the drive before installing ubuntu
[08:35] <nitrox> Can i configure it to load the terminal
[08:35] <pdaoust> jdub: I know, eh
[08:35] <king_arthur> k3vb0t: hi there
[08:35] <souki> pdaoust: it's the same for me, nerver had this usb key auto mounted
[08:36] <jdub> nitrox: yes, go for it
[08:36] <k3vb0t> I'm trying to remove the Games under Applications.. and its telling me that removing games will also need to remove ubuntu-desktop
[08:36] <k3vb0t> I'm assuming this is bad, correct?
[08:37] <Stereotype> ALTF4osu: Ubuntu has a builtin formater when you set it up. So, you lose all data.
[08:37] <jdub> k3vb0t: no, ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage, it doesn't contain anything
[08:37] <pdaoust> souki: odd.
[08:37] <ALTF4osu> Stereotype: cool, thanks... as long as I can select the drive and it doesn't wipe out my windows connection
[08:37] <k3vb0t> jdub: so I can also try removing EvolutionGroupware?
[08:37] <SyNtEx> k3vb0t: Who is telling you this?
[08:38] <jdub> k3vb0t: sure
[08:38] <souki> pdaoust: do you know someone who has it working ?
[08:38] <k3vb0t> Synaptic
[08:38] <nitrox> Would i use a command like VNCSERVER -name terminal :1 **command like that when loading it
[08:38] <pdaoust> souki: a few people on the forums have it working... nothing more helpful than that though
[08:38] <Stereotype> The drive you install Ubutu on will be wiped.
[08:39] <SyNtEx> k3vb0t: never done something like that,
[08:39] <jdub> pdaoust: you're in a standard gnome session, etc?
[08:39] <pdaoust> jdub: you bet
[08:39] <nitrox> Would i use a command like VNCSERVER -name terminal :1 **command like that when loading it
[08:39] <jdub> nitrox: see the documentation for xvncserver
[08:40] <pdaoust> jdub: so are you a Ubuntu developer?
[08:40] <k3vb0t> Syntex: seemed to work just fine, was just afraid of removing that ubuntu-desktop package
[08:40] <jdub> pdaoust: yeah
[08:40] <SyNtEx> k3vb0t: 8-)
[08:40] <pdaoust> jdub: cool stuff. Soooooo... do you live in S Africa, or are there a lot of devs spread out across the world?
[08:40] <k3vb0t> Now how do I alter my Applications list?
[08:40] <FAST> can anyone tell me how to configure the sound cards on this computer? and how to set which one is used, etc?
[08:41] <SyNtEx> k3vb0t: whic way?
[08:41] <SyNtEx> which
[08:41] <jdub> pdaoust: it's entirely virtual. i'm in sydney, we span every timezone except perth to lithuania
[08:41] <k3vb0t> Syntex: jsut trying to remove some folders, not sure where I need to go to take them out
[08:41] <pdaoust> jdub: wow
[08:41] <jdub> k3vb0t: there's no supported way to modify the applications menu
[08:41] <jdub> k3vb0t: if you're running warty, you can use applications://, but your changes won't be kept when you upgrade
[08:41] <Stereotype> jdub: There should be.:-)
[08:42] <SyNtEx> k3vb0t: the easy option is just remove the links from the Gnome menu
[08:42] <jdub> Stereotype: i encourage you to write a sane menu editor
[08:43] <k3vb0t> jdub: interesting.. I agree with Stereotype.. definitely should allow the user to change the menu... but I understand if it isn't possible (I'm a newb ;)
[08:43] <SyNtEx> jdub: that's interesting I did the same recently but was not aware they would come back
[08:43] <SyNtEx> jdub: removing apps.. :)
[08:44] <calc> it can be done
[08:44] <wm_eddie> mandrake has a pretty strange menu editor
[08:44] <nitrox> I am going to see if i can get this VNCSERVER on my own
[08:44] <calc> at least it can with kde ;)
[08:44] <jdub> calc: note "sane" :)
[08:44] <calc> so it should be able to be implemented in gnome as well
[08:44] <FAST> :\
[08:45] <wm_eddie> people are so into the "sanity" thing, I find insanity more interesting :p
[08:45] <wm_eddie> computers need more randomness
[08:45] <calc> jdub: well fdo menu spec etc shouldn't get in the way much i've seen the actual output of editted menu items, etc and it looks sane to me
[08:45] <pdaoust> wm_eddie: you shoudl try my computer; it'd give you more than what you desire in randomness ;)
[08:46] <jdub> calc: notice how you're not talking about user interaction? :)
[08:46] <FAST> anyone want to suggest how to configure sound cards?
[08:46] <k3vb0t> are usb headsets supported?
[08:47] <jdub> k3vb0t: if they're standard usb audio devices (most likely), then sure
[08:47] <calc> well making the menu directly editable via the menu itself is going to be hard but no one said that part would be easy ;)
[08:47] <k3vb0t> jdub: how do I 'activate' the headset over the soundcard?
[08:47] <jdub> k3vb0t: that's the hard bit atm
[08:47] <k3vb0t> jdub: that is to say, instead of using the soundcard
[08:47] <k3vb0t> ah ha
[08:48] <calc> making a standalone menu editor similar to kmenuedit but cleaner (haven't looked at it in the year) would be much easier
[08:48] <souki> FAST: do you have alsa working?
[08:48] <jdub> calc: see, direct manipulation is more attractive, but also more unwieldy with menus and submenus; the standalone editor route is completely abstract.
[08:48] <FAST> im not sure, how do i check?
[08:48] <souki> ls /proc/asound/
[08:48] <k3vb0t> jdub: actually, discovering that I don't think my soundcard is working atm
[08:49] <jdub> calc: currently, i'm aiming to get rid of the applications menu idea entirely.
[08:49] <calc> to be replaced with what?
[08:49] <FAST> there is a list of items after   ls /proc/asound/
[08:49] <souki> FAST: if you have 2 soundcards, you should see card0 and card1
[08:49] <jdub> calc: launchers
[08:49] <FAST> yes, i see card0 and card1 listed
[08:49] <calc> single icons on the topbar?
[08:49] <wm_eddie> jdub: a la XFCE4?
[08:50] <wm_eddie> or XFCE panel...
[08:50] <jdub> calc: the ui would have to change more drastically to accomodate it
[08:50] <souki> FAST: so, if you look inside these, you will know
[08:50] <calc> jdub: ok] 
[08:50] <jdub> calc: consider the difference between the OS9 and OSX execution models
[08:50] <souki> FAST: ls /proc/asound/card0
[08:51] <jdub> they got a bunch of stuff right, even though it's a little oooky
[08:51] <FAST> souki: codec97#0  id  intel8x0  oss_mixer  pcm0c  pcm0p  pcm1c
[08:51] <calc> jdub: not very familiar with those, sorry
[08:51] <wm_eddie> the OS X dock is nothing new.
[08:51] <jdub> wm_eddie: xfce still has the menu damage (and it's really icky)
[08:52] <jdub> calc: used windowmaker?
[08:52] <calc> jdub: yes
[08:52] <FAST> souki: ls /proc/asound/card1 --> codec97#0  id  midi0  oss_mixer  pcm0c  pcm0p  pcm3p
[08:52] <jdub> calc: so windowmaker conflates the idea of what's running and what's there to run
[08:52] <jdub> calc: this is quite similar to osx (osx and windowmaker being based on next, etc)
[08:52] <souki> FAST: ok, so your card0 is an intel8x0 bur I don't see for car1
[08:53] <calc> jdub: ah with the osx bottom bar?
[08:53] <jdub> yeah
[08:53] <calc> ok
[08:53] <FAST> souki: for carl?
[08:53] <souki> FAST: sorry, card1
[08:53] <jdub> what osx can do that wm can't do is conflate the idea of what's running, what's there and what's installed at all :)
[08:53] <FAST> oh oops
[08:53] <souki> FAST: you can play throught card0 with this: aplay -D hw:0,0 test.wav
[08:54] <rempresent> i have an office.org question
[08:54] <calc> os8 (last i ran much) didn't really do that so much as hide the apps pieces inside a single icon representing the app on the drive (i guess through resource forks)
[08:54] <jdub> calc: most people only regularly directly execute 3-6 things
[08:54] <FAST> souki: where is test.wav located? or do i have to make a test file to do it first?
[08:54] <rempresent> i am trying to alphabetize my column of last names, how do i do that.
[08:54] <root> hey guys what app can i use to stop my laptop from throttling down
[08:54] <root> thanks
[08:54] <calc> jdub: yea
[08:55] <jdub> calc: so why do we have great big long menus of categories of stuff they'd rarely run directly (think gpdf, it's *very* rare that you'd run gpdf itself - you'd open a pdf)
[08:55] <jdub> calc: so there's the vague handwaving behind it :)
[08:55] <dread65> hey guys what app can i run to stop my laptop from throttling down
[08:55] <dread65> and is it possible to run kde apps in gnome
[08:55] <dread65> thanks
[08:56] <calc> well we don't have the advantage of the only things showing on the drive being apps
[08:56] <jdub> dread65: define throtting down
[08:56] <jdub> dread65: yes you can run kde apps in gnome
[08:56] <jdub> calc: it's all smoke and mirrors on osx too you know :)
[08:56] <souki> aplay -D hw:0,0 /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/res/samples/test.wav
[08:56] <calc> apple somewhat got the app menu under the apple icon on the left from what i recall
[08:56] <calc> i don't know what actually sets that up though
[08:57] <jdub> calc: just means we have to think in the user's terms instead of the mechanics underneath ;)
[08:57] <dread65> hey guys waht app can i use to stop my laptop from throttling down thanks
[08:57] <jdub> nothing set up the old apple menu, apart from initial install and apps putting themselves there
[08:57] <calc> jdub: ok, have only seen osx at in store demos :\  i need to get one now that i have a job finally
[08:57] <jdub> dread65: define throttling down, and please don't ask the same question over and over
[08:57] <jdub> calc: that menu is not in osx, btw
[08:57] <calc> ok
[08:57] <dread65> jdub: sorry i keep getting disconnected .. throttling meaning my cpu is 1.6 ghz but its at 500mhz
[08:58] <dread65> i want it to not run in power save mode
[08:58] <k3vb0t> souki: i get nothing with that
[08:58] <dread65> in windows i could have a program that diddnt do this
[08:58] <FAST> souki: i didn't hear anything. here is the message: Playing WAVE '/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/res/samples/test.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, R ate 22050 Hz, Mono
[08:58] <FAST> aplay: set_params:832: Sample format non available
[08:59] <jdub> dread65: if you want to turn it off forever, remove powernowd
[08:59] <dread65> jdub: how
[08:59] <dread65> thanks for the help
[08:59] <jdub> dread65: but it doesn't have a serious affect on performance
[08:59] <dread65> jdub: what doesnt
[08:59] <jdub> it does the right thing when you need performance
[08:59] <jdub> powernowd
[08:59] <dread65> jdub: well my computer feels slow though
[08:59] <dread65> i want to see if it makes a difference
[08:59] <dread65> how can i go about removing it thru synaptic?
[09:00] <jdub> well, temporarily, just sudo /etc/init.d/powernowd stop
[09:00] <dread65> k
[09:00] <jdub> don't remove the package yet, you'll realise that's not it :)
[09:00] <k3vb0t> anyone out there that can help me configure my sound?
[09:00] <jdub> or you'll get a placebo effect
[09:00] <jdub> and think i'm stupid
[09:00] <dread65> ok i did it
[09:00] <dread65> what exactly did this do
[09:00] <souki> FAST: k3vb0t: alsamixer -c 0
[09:01] <jdub> dread65: it stopped the cpu throttling daemon
[09:01] <calc> dread65: it tells the cpu to eat your laptop battery
[09:01] <souki> k3vb0t: you have 2 soundcards, right?
[09:01] <k3vb0t> souki: master @ 70; yes.
[09:01] <calc> 8)
[09:01] <dread65> jdub: oh can i make a script to turn it off and on easily
[09:01] <jdub> dread65: that is the script to turn it off and on easily
[09:01] <dread65> jdub: ahh yah your right i get full speed now
[09:01] <dread65> oh
[09:01] <dread65> heh
[09:01] <calc> dread65: thats what the powernowd stop did its a script
[09:02] <souki> FAST: k3vb0t: set master and pcm levels
[09:02] <dread65> ok cool
[09:02] <dread65> i'll see if it makesa  diff in my games
[09:03] <FAST> souki: all settings are ~50
[09:03] <k3vb0t> souki: master @ 70, headphones @ 71.. everything else 0. Don't see "pcm". How do I change #s?
[09:03] <dread65> my problem was i am hooked up to an outlinet
[09:03] <dread65> outlet
[09:03] <dread65> i dont need the throttling
[09:03] <dread65> it was useless
[09:03] <dread65> since my batter wasnt using it
[09:03] <dread65> wasnt being used i mean
[09:04] <heliolith> curious how hard it would be for someone who knew how to take the sourcecode for the gaim encrytpion plugin and make it workable for ubuntu?  url for plugin for many other distros and OS's here: http://gaim-encryption.sourceforge.net/
[09:04] <souki> k3vb0t: try with the 2nd card; alsamixer -c 1
[09:04] <calc> also keeps the chip from getting hotter than needed, spinning up the fan, etc
[09:05] <dread65> thanks guys
[09:05] <ALTF4osu> hmm.. is there anyway once i install the x86 build of warty to then change it to the 64 bit one?
[09:05] <k3vb0t> souki: master set to 0, 'center' set to 100. Do I need to change master? And how?
[09:06] <souki> k3vb0t: yes, up arrow
[09:06] <rob__> woh i am typing invisible text
[09:06] <rob__> it is not showint on my irc client as i type it
[09:06] <FAST> lol
[09:07] <rob__> i think i should report this as a bug
[09:07] <ALTF4osu> rob: what do you mean, i can't see it either
[09:07] <ALTF4osu> ;-)
[09:07] <rob__> ehhe
[09:07] <ALTF4osu> ehhe?
[09:07] <rob__> ment to type he he
[09:07] <ALTF4osu> meant?
[09:07] <ALTF4osu> :-p
[09:07] <souki> FAST: k3vb0t: there is a gnome app: gnome-volume-control
[09:07] <ALTF4osu> sorry, now i'm just being an ass
[09:08] <souki> FAST: k3vb0t: the same as alsamixer but with gtk
[09:09] <souki> FAST: k3vb0t: try: aplay -l
[09:09] <souki> FAST: k3vb0t: you should see all available devices
[09:10] <FAST> souki: yes, i tried that. there are 4 tabs/devices listed...: Analog Devices AD1885 [OSS Mixer] , SigmaTel STAC9704 [OSS Mixer] , Intel 82801BA-ICH2 [Alsa Mixer] , and au8820 [Alsa Mixer] 
[09:11] <FAST> souki: aplay -l listed 2 sections, card0 with 16 channels (? i assume), and card1 with 32and card1,
[09:12] <nitrox> my friend is able to see a desktop when he uses RDesktop
[09:13] <Soap_On_A_Rope> i need help, gettning gstream
[09:13] <nitrox> when i use vncviewer all i see is the X on the cursor and nothing else
[09:13] <eyequeue> well, that was fun
[09:13] <Soap_On_A_Rope> i tried to use apt-get and downloaded most of the gstream stuff, but it's not working, how do I get it to work
[09:14] <eyequeue> i just installed ubuntu (and taught) for a great grandmother!
[09:14] <eyequeue> and she's thrilled, so don't let anyone say linux is too complicated :)
[09:15] <Soap_On_A_Rope> if you so inclined on teaching people, teach me on how to use Gstreamer :P
[09:15] <eyequeue> what is it? :)
[09:15] <syn-ack> an API?
[09:15] <Soap_On_A_Rope> i cannot get it to work
[09:15] <Soap_On_A_Rope> i used apt-get and downloaded most of it
[09:15] <Soap_On_A_Rope> but it's just not working
[09:15] <syn-ack> hrm. thats what I would think it is.
[09:16] <Soap_On_A_Rope> if your using Ubuntu, you shoudl know GStreamer is part of Gnome
[09:16] <eyequeue> seems to be a multimedia thing, and i'm clueless in that regard
[09:17] <eyequeue> Soap_On_A_Rope:  well, i'm not a huge gui person, though i did just teach firefox
[09:17] <Soap_On_A_Rope> how can you be using ubuntu, a gnome based distrubution, and not know what GStreamer is
[09:18] <eyequeue> i did cheat a lot and say "ignore this, while i drop to command line and look at something" lol
[09:18] <Soap_On_A_Rope> how can you be using ubuntu, a gnome based distrubution, and not know what GStreamer is
[09:18] <eyequeue> Soap_On_A_Rope:  i know what it is now, i did 'apt-cache search gstreamer'
[09:18] <souki> FAST: aplay /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/res/samples/test.wav
[09:18] <Soap_On_A_Rope> well i used apt-get and installed it, but I do not know how to accuatll open it
[09:19] <eyequeue> but  as i mentioned, i really don't do multimedia
[09:19] <rob__> maby if i change themes this will get fixed
[09:20] <FAST> souki: Playing WAVE 'test.wav' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 22050 Hz, Mono
[09:20] <FAST> no sound was heard though
[09:21] <eyequeue> Soap_On_A_Rope:  the apps in the various gstreamer pacakges all seem to begin with "gst-" so you might try typing gst-<tab><tab> in a terminal ?
[09:22] <souki> FAST: is card0 (intel8x0) plugged?
[09:22] <Soap_On_A_Rope> thanks
[09:22] <Soap_On_A_Rope> worked
[09:22] <eyequeue> cool
[09:22] <FAST> souki: yep, just triple checked.  card0 (integrated sound) is hooked to desktop speakers.  card1 (aureal pci card) is connected to stereo amplifier
[09:23] <souki> FAST: when not specified, the default device is first channel of card0
[09:24] <eyequeue> intel8x0 not making sound, even though it says it is :( sounds very very familar :(
[09:24] <FAST> :\
[09:24] <eyequeue> i can't get sound working here either, and the same driver
[09:25] <souki> FAST: I have an integrated intel8x0, it's working perfectly
[09:25] <eyequeue> that's the one problem i still have with ubuntu here, of significance at least
[09:25] <eyequeue> souki:  what did you do to get it working?
[09:25] <eyequeue> mine is integrated too
[09:25] <FAST> souki: do you think there is maybe a conflict as to which card should play the audio>
[09:25] <eyequeue> (laptop)
[09:26] <FAST> souki: or is there a way to specify card0 as the default audio card
[09:27] <souki> FAST: card0 is your default
[09:28] <Scooter> Hello all, i am new to a webrowser called Lynx.. I am haveing dificulties viewing porn sites with it.. anyone know how to make the pictures and movies work in lynx?
[09:29] <trey3> Scooter: lynx for real sites... firefox for pr0n
[09:29] <rob__> indeed it is
[09:29] <eyequeue> Scooter:  press o for options, tell it to Show images > As links
[09:29] <Scooter> I was just jokeing :) hi everyone :)
[09:30] <ALTF4> yay.. now i have a CD copy of warty x86
[09:30] <FAST> woohoo! i got audio to play using xmms!
[09:30] <rob__> lynx is  apain though
[09:30] <ALTF4> time to see if *this* works
[09:30] <eyequeue> Scooter:  lynx DOES handle graphics :)  i'm a commandline junkie
[09:30] <Scooter> Sweet, I am going to try it :)
[09:30] <rob__> i like rythembox
[09:30] <Scooter> Thanks for the tips :)
[09:30] <FAST> i selected the OSS driver for output, configured it, and selected the pci audio card for the audio
[09:30] <trey3> rob__: you just can't spell it  :P
[09:30] <eyequeue> Scooter:  you'll need zgv or some commandline graphic viewer installed of course
[09:30] <trey3> (Rhythmbox)
[09:31] <Scooter> Ok, cool :)
[09:32] <trey3> damnit, if only I had an ipod  :(
[09:32] <souki> FAST: do you have esd working?
[09:32] <rob__> i cant read what i type trey3
[09:32] <rob__> sorry. my irc client is buggy
[09:32] <eyequeue> FAST:  where o i get to see what is "card0" btw?
[09:33] <trey3> rob__: what are you using?
[09:33] <rob__> xchat
[09:33] <trey3> rob__: version?
[09:33] <eyequeue> do
[09:33] <rob__> 2.4.1
[09:34] <trey3> rob__: same here... thats weird... from Hoary? or compiled yourself?
[09:34] <eyequeue> 2.4.1 from bp works here
[09:35] <trey3> eyequeue: hoary version is fine here...  :/
[09:36] <trey3> eyequeue: what you mean by bp though?
[09:36] <eyequeue> backports
[09:37] <rob__> hoary
[09:37] <trey3> eyequeue: ahh... I could have guessed that...
[09:38] <rob__> its not that bad though i just type and dont give a shit if it looks ok
[09:39] <Scooter> lmao, lynx pops pictures into firefox... this is cool 8)
[09:40] <eyequeue> ah, i ran it in a tty, not a terminal, heh
[09:40] <Scooter> I just purchaced a peddrive and going to install dam small linux on it... i want to learn text based things so I can save room on my memory stick for other applications 8)
[09:40] <Scooter> pendrive
[09:40] <eyequeue> nod
[09:41] <Scooter> what is a tty?
[09:41] <trey3> Scooter: ctrl alt f1 <-- that thing  :)
[09:41] <Scooter> is that a diffrent runlevel?
[09:41] <eyequeue> as in tty1, the console you get with alt-ctrl-f1
[09:41] <Scooter> neat 8)
[09:41] <eyequeue> alt-f7 to get back to gui btw
[09:42] <trey3> Scooter: by default, you have 6 of them  :)
[09:42] <Scooter> yea, I had to dothat with a few distros to install ATI drivers :)
[09:42] <Scooter> could not have x running
[09:42] <Scooter> can tty1 display jpegs?
[09:43] <eyequeue> if you have a console image app, like zgv or similar
[09:43] <Scooter> that is really cool, I will try it later 8) Thank you :)
[09:43] <eyequeue> np
[09:44] <Scooter> i wish there was a small version of Ubuntu for Pendrives.. I like how easy both of my desktops run with ubuntu..
[09:46] <eyequeue> trey3:  which one?
[09:47] <trey3> eyequeue: idk... looks like GNOME-fx ... new default in hoary  :)
[09:47] <eyequeue> ah
[09:47] <FAST> souki: how do i find out if i have esd working?
[09:48] <eyequeue> how different is x.org btw?
[09:48] <eyequeue> will i notice a different feel?
[09:48] <Scooter> 0o I just read there is no Firewall active by default on warty install.. can anyone recomend a nice , easy one? TIA
[09:48] <souki> FAST: truu the esd output with xmms
 you will notice neat drop shadows under windows in new Xorg 8)
[09:49] <eyequeue> compatibility issues?
[09:49] <FAST> souki: there wasn't any problem selecting it for output. i stopped/hit play, but no sound is coming out
[09:49] <trey3> eyequeue: actually... I think its Nautical... cuz several things weren't changed (Preferences etc) ... GNOME-fx says its a "very complete theme"...
[09:50] <eyequeue> trey3:  i've got the noia theme now
[09:50] <trey3> plus... apparently GNOME-fx only is compatible with Winblows... that makes a lot of sense   :/
[09:51] <trey3> eyequeue: I like having a desktop where everything seems to fit... so yeah...
[09:51] <trey3> Noia would stand out a lot of this desktop...
[09:51] <souki> FAST: try to exit xmms, then launch it again
[09:52] <souki> FAST: if you don't have esd working, you have to configure it to use the correct card
[09:52] <eyequeue> noia stands out here too
[09:52] <eyequeue> but i wanted variety
[09:52] <FAST> souki: closed/started xmms, no sound still
[09:53] <FAST> souki: wait, i think i can hear it
[09:53] <trey3> FAST: sound is working elsewhere?
[09:54] <FAST> souki: it appears to be working. though when i open volume control, it is the headphone control which adjusts the volume?
[09:55] <syn-ack> FAST: Have you tried the master?
[09:55] <trey3> They don't seem worthy of full application status?
[09:55] <FAST> yes, the master does not affect volume on it
[09:55] <souki> FAST: i just use master+pcm
[09:55] <syn-ack> FAST: whats the output of amixer?
[09:56] <rob__> oooh asci porn
[09:56] <Scooter> lmao
[09:56] <mojo_> LOL anyone ever figure out how to make flash play sound?  I got side-conversed for a while and my scroll-back history is, well, history
[09:57] <souki> FAST: maybe esd outputs to the 2nd card. is it plugged?
[09:57] <trey3> mojo_: its cuz Flash for linux wants to use raw ALSA... but ESD is occupying your sound card  :/
[09:57] <mojo_> LOL ASCII porn... I can remember the days when my dad had a Diablo printer (typewheel) hooked up to the Commodore 64 with a program that used the period to dot out graphics.  Then the Ascii art came (and was really cool).  Only pinups I was "allowed" to see ;-)
[09:57] <syn-ack> Wait, theres two cards on this machine?
[09:57] <trey3> Makes sense for GNOME itself... but Ubuntu is only Linux...
[09:58] <syn-ack> trey3: You can use ALSA directly.
[09:58] <souki> syn-ack: yes, oss is working but not alsa
[09:58] <syn-ack> incase you didnt know that.
[09:58] <trey3> syn-ack: its not that way by default... and many things don't appear to like it  :/
[09:58] <jdub> trey3: sound daemons are not bad.
[09:58] <frankps> hi
[09:58] <mojo_> trey3 COOL.  But do I *need* ESD?  Besides that, I have two sound cards... motherboard sound and Audigy2ZS.  Can't I just use ESD for one and drop it on the other?
[09:59] <trey3> jdub: ESD is the reason Flash sound doesn't work  :/
[09:59] <frankps> I have been searching the ubuntu pages for where to sign up as a translator to translate the installer in to Norwegian
[09:59] <syn-ack> mojo_: Disable that mobo chip. its more than likely that shit AC 97 anyway.
[09:59] <frankps> where can I find it?
[09:59] <trey3> jdub: also... just seems like overkill for a Linux only project...
[09:59] <jdub> it is not
[09:59] <souki> trey3: you can try dmix for the flash issue
[09:59] <mojo_> trey3: Good to have an explanation.  yeah, it is AC97 codec and does sound crappy compared to the Audigy2.
[09:59] <jdub> flash can talk to esd
[10:00] <trey3> jdub: I've never seen it try successfully?  :(
[10:00] <mojo_> I have an MSI K8N Neo2-Platinum mobo ... has Realtek sound
[10:00] <jdub> trey3: broken apps does not mean that sound servers are bad
[10:00] <mojo_> what is dmix, souki>
[10:00] <mojo_> ?
[10:00] <souki> mojo_: it is sound mixing at alsa level
[10:00] <jdub> the stack has problems, which means the details end up being exposed to users
[10:00] <jdub> which makes people think sound daemons are bad
[10:01] <Scooter> LOL! omg that is cool, I was surfing in tty1 8D
[10:01] <syn-ack> jdub: esd used to be evil for using with video before alsa.
[10:01] <jdub> syn-ack: it is still suboptimal for synchronised or low latency audio requirements
[10:01] <syn-ack> the delay on it was horrid.
[10:01] <trey3> jdub: I simply don't understand the need... thats my main issue with them... makes sense for GNOME upstream like I said... but for Ubuntu, not really?
[10:01] <jdub> alsa doesn't fix that
[10:01] <syn-ack> jdub: its a LOT better now though.
[10:02] <jdub> trey3: why would it make sense for gnome, but not ubuntu?
[10:02] <jdub> syn-ack: it's not
[10:02] <jdub> trey3: it makes even more sense on ubuntu because we can viciously enforce system policy
[10:03] <syn-ack> jdub: true.
[10:03] <trey3> jdub: because GNOME supports *BSD and Solaris etc... easier to port Sound Daemon to other OS's only...
[10:03] <trey3> jdub: I really don't understand the use past that...  :/
[10:04] <jdub> * user space mixing for hardware that doesn't support it
[10:04] <souki> trey3: yes, just use alsa+dmix on linux system
[10:04] <Scooter> trying ti decypher BitchX... /join is command to swich channels, anyone know what command switches servers (to freenode)
[10:04] <syn-ack> Thats not valid, it still links to the kernel drivers.
[10:04] <jdub> * audio redirection (to other hosts, eg thin client, etc)
[10:04] <jdub> * dynamic device reconfiguration
[10:04] <eyequeue> Scooter:  /help server
[10:05] <Scooter> Thank you :)
[10:05] <jdub> souki: that doesn't solve all the problems, and alsalibs is far less stable than ossemu atm
[10:05] <syn-ack> jdub: which project do you maintain?
[10:05] <eyequeue> np
[10:05] <jdub> syn-ack: i'm involved in gnome and ubuntu
[10:05] <souki> jdub: which problem, latency?
[10:05] <jdub> souki: points two and three above
[10:06] <jdub> souki: the kernel interface should be very basic (though obviously more complex than oss)
[10:06] <trey3> syn-ack: jdub = Jeff Waugh... GNOME release manager...
[10:06] <mojo_> Okay so how can I make flash work through ESD?  And I wonder if that's my problem with totem and mplayer being silent also.  XMMS seems to work fine.
[10:06] <trey3> jdub: ps, who is Gill Bates? just there for humor on site?  :)
[10:07] <mojo_> And I have tried XMMS successfully on both soundcards
[10:07] <jdub> mojo_: if you have any app using alsa or oss directly, no other app will be able to
[10:07] <syn-ack> jdub: I have to say that Im rather impressed with Gnome 2.9... so far the only thing Ive noticed that I dont like is that Nautilus eats a LOT of CPU while transfering files to my server via smb.
[10:07] <jdub> trey3: i don't know what you're talking about
[10:07] <syn-ack> Other than that, I like it a LOT.
[10:07] <jdub> mojo_: so you need to switch all your apps to use esd
[10:08] <souki> jdub: I think basic alsa should cover most desktop configuration without the need of another layer
[10:08] <jdub> souki: large chunks of that is not appropriate in the kernel
[10:09] <trey3> jdub: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/teams/  <--  team leader for Desktop...
[10:09] <souki> jdub: but there is projects like alsa-jack, I think they've done good
[10:10] <mojo_> jdub okay i can do that i guess.   but with nothing else loaded but gnome, why no sound then?
[10:10] <scooterL337> WOOT!
[10:10] <scooterL337> I am a BitchX master now 8)
[10:10] <jdub> mojo_: because esd is using the hardware
[10:10] <souki> jdub: but, you"re right, jack is an other layer
[10:11] <trey3> scooterL337: irssi > BitchX
[10:11] <jdub> souki: you'll find most systems do the same thign
[10:11] <Scooter> 0o
[10:11] <FAST> i think my sound problems have been resolved
[10:11] <mojo_> Alsa config and modules were hard to figure out for me.  I only today found out where to put a file that echoes an init string to the midi out on my audigy (to activate livedrive's IR port).  Now lirc is working for me *YAY*
[10:11] <FAST> thanks for your help, everyone
[10:11] <mojo_> so esd is going direct to the hardware?  you mean /dev/dsp is being used by esd, is that what you mean?
[10:12] <jdub> mojo_: yes
[10:12] <syn-ack> mojo_: thats correct.
 that is good news, i am going to try installing an Audigy2 tomarow on my other Ubuntu system
[10:12] <jdub> mojo_: given your hardware / audio driver, only one process can write at a time
[10:13] <trey3> jdub: so Gill Bates = fictional person for humor?  :)
[10:13] <mojo_> scooter, here is some info for you if you want to run the remote control... lirc works.  Your "input" will be from /dev/snd/midiCxD0 (where x is the sound card number, starting with zero).
[10:13] <jdub> trey3: i don't know what you're talking about
[10:13] <trey3> jdub: heh... k fine
[10:13] <syn-ack> Now, this is just getting stupid.
[10:15] <mojo_> For the IR port to start reading data, you have to send an initialization string to the midi out device.  That is documented in the 'user notes' at the bottom of the page http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?module=emu10k1
[10:15] <mojo_> The command you're looking for is echo -e '\360\000\040\041\141\000\000\000\177\000\367' > /dev/snd/midiC0D1
[10:16] <mojo_> but you change /dev/snc/midiC0D1 to C1D1 if it is the second sound card (like in my setup).
[10:18] <mojo_> You make a simple text file with the echo command in it and call the file "/etc/alsa/modprobe-post-install.d/snd-emu10k1".  It will automatically get run on system boot.  Just set the owner root:root and make it executable
[10:19] <mojo_> Then with lirc installed and irexec running as a dameon you can auto-launch programs, or use plugins like the lirc plugin for xmms.
[10:20] <EvolutionR> ./configure
[10:20] <EvolutionR> creating cache ./config.cache
[10:20] <EvolutionR> checking for gcc... no
[10:20] <EvolutionR> checking for cc... no
[10:20] <EvolutionR> configure:error:no acceptable cc found in $PATH
[10:20] <mojo_> Okay so maybe that is why Totem, Mplayer, and Realplayer won't make any noise either?  They also try to use /dev/dsp and fail?  That makes some sense to me.
[10:20] <racoontje> is there a pretty gnomish frontend to mplayer?
  use synaptic, and get build-essentials package
[10:21] <Scooter> just do search for word build in synaptic...
[10:23] <mojo_> Scooter:  Good luck with the Audigy2.  It does work, so there is that ray of sunshine.
  Thanks for the encouragement :)
[10:25] <mojo_> np
[10:25] <mojo_> Scooter: did you get that stuff I posted about the IR?
[10:26] <Scooter> Hi, i am new to BitchX
[10:26] <syn-ack> Hi, Im sorry you use it.
[10:27] <Scooter> IR is that Internal release?
[10:27] <syn-ack> irssi is the only one.
[10:27] <Scooter> Thanks  imight take yyou up on that :)
[10:28] <Scooter> my name is Feilding Melish :)
[10:28] <mojo_> ha ha Scooter:  IR is Infra Red.  The Remote Control!!!!  You can make it work in Linux.  lirc is the Library for IR Communications
[10:28] <Scooter> oh :)
[10:28] <Scooter> I thought it was IRC
[10:28] <EvolutionR> Scooter: E: Couldn't find package build-essentials
[10:29] <mojo_> Well, IRC could be Internet Relay Chat (he he)
[10:29] <Scooter>  build-essential   dont use the s on the end
[10:29] <mojo_> By the way scooter, I opened that private channel with you to give you my email address...
[10:29] <EvolutionR> okie
 <EvolutionR>  use synaptic, and get build-essentials package
[10:30] <thekoreuk> how do i add openbox to my list of available sessions
[10:30] <Scooter> mojo, I see it, I am ion Bitchx, i dont know how to send messages to DCC
[10:30] <thekoreuk> i have already installed it via synaptic
[10:31] <Scooter> Thanks for that  8)
[10:31] <mojo_> Scooter: Wish I could help, but I'm on X-Chat.  Did you read my stuff?
[10:31] <Scooter> yea :) My name is Feilding Melish :)
[10:31] <Scooter> glad to meet you
[10:31] <mojo_> Nice ta meet you, Fielding.  Mine is Tim LePes (the group don't know yet)
[10:32] <AzMoo> Can anyone suggest a good BT client?
[10:32] <Dddddave> hi
[10:32] <mojo_> So Scooter, if you have problems with the Audigy feel free to email me.  Just don't be sending me porn or viruses, unless it's good porn and windows viruses.  I have uses for those ;-)
[10:32] <Scooter> hi :)
[10:32] <mojo_> (just kidding, of course)
[10:32] <Scooter> lol
[10:32] <Scooter> Ok :) Thankyou
[10:33] <Dddddave> i need help with setting up Xserver on ubuntu, tells me it cant run cos of the graphical interface
[10:33] <ALTF4osu> whoo hoo... well at least ubuntu installed on my computer
[10:33] <ALTF4osu> bad news is no wireless tho
[10:33] <thekoreuk> does anyone know how to add openbox to my list of available sessions?
[10:33] <ALTF4osu> and i don't have access to my windows partition
[10:33] <mojo_> So tre3/jdub or whoever, how DO you get libflashplayer to talk to ESD instead of /dev/dsp ???
 I have been searching for this also :)
[10:35] <mojo_> Ddddddave:  Yeah, xserver hates graphical interfaces (j/k)
[10:35] <thekoreuk> Scooter, fluxbox automatically joined the list, so i am guessing i need to do some simple editing to enable the openbox choice. But i cant see anything in /etc/X11/
[10:35] <mojo_> Dddave, more info on your error?
[10:35] <Dddddave> one second
  yes XFce shows up on the list too, but enlightenment and ratpoison dont show up for me :/
[10:36] <Scooter> I got IceWm too.. it shows up on list too
[10:36] <mojo_> ddave what is your hardware - what video card?
[10:36] <thekoreuk> Scooter, i wonder if you are only allowed 1 extra WM to gnome :s in that case i would need to remove flux just to check it :s
[10:36] <thekoreuk> oh well maybe not :P
  some show up, and others just dont for some reason ;?
[10:37] <Dddddave> on starting ubuntu, it flashes a few times at the login prompt, then it says i cant start X
[10:37] <mojo_> thekoreuk: I too have XFce4 but never tried to load any others to know if 2's a limit.  I don't see why it would be though.
[10:38] <Scooter> I have XFce for nextstep installed too, and it wont show up in sessions list, i have to get to it from IceWM context menu
[10:38] <mojo_> ddave, is this a fresh Ubuntu install from the CDs?
[10:38] <Dddddave> yes
[10:38] <AzMoo> Scooter, got a startup script in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/ ?
[10:38] <Dddddave> fresh install
[10:38] <Dddddave> with internet updates
[10:38] <nir> what is the default mount point for the cdrom?
[10:38] <nir> in fstab
  if it is not automaticaly installed i dont have it...
[10:39] <Scooter> I never make a script
[10:39] <AzMoo> Scooter, I don't know if it's automatically installed or not, I just know that's where they need to go ;p
[10:39] <Scooter> Ok Thankyou 8)  i did not know we could do that .
[10:40] <mojo_> Okay.  Then you're problably running the XFree86 xserver.  Look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log to see if it gives some clue to it's hangups.  Also, what is your video card make and model???
[10:40] <Dddddave> yes
[10:40] <Dddddave> Nvidia TNT 2
[10:41] <mojo_> ddave, did the xserver work before you did the internet updates?
[10:41] <BockBilbo> dmorning
[10:41] <BockBilbo> *gmorning
[10:42] <Dddddave> the internet updates were done upon installation
[10:42] <Dddddave> so i dont know
[10:42] <mojo_> ddave, OIC
[10:42] <BockBilbo> i have also had problems with the inet upgrades..
[10:42] <mojo_> ddave, well how about /var/log/XFree86.0.log ???  Anything interesting or telling in there about the failure?
[10:43] <Dddddave> lots of stuff i dont understand!
[10:44] <Dddddave> ooh wait...
[10:44] <Dddddave> does a whole lot of stuff about TNT2 models
[10:44] <Dddddave> then says
[10:44] <mojo_> Ddave:  what sort of output is at the end though?   II is informative, I think EE is errors, WW warnings..
[10:44] <Dddddave> No Device Detected
[10:44] <mojo_> Hmmm....
[10:44] <Dddddave> (EE) no device detected
[10:44] <BockBilbo> im having a big prob w/ ubuntu.... yesterday everything was fine... but today, when i booted.... it couldnt use eth1 (my wireless card) saying that the device could not be found
[10:44] <Dddddave> fatel err: no screens found
[10:44] <BockBilbo> anyone here has have the same problem?
[10:45] <toresbe> BockBilbo: This means the device driver hasn't been loaded
[10:45] <BockBilbo> toresbe, i gues... but how come it used to load perfectly before but not today?
[10:45] <BockBilbo> :s
[10:45] <BockBilbo> it makes no sense
[10:45] <BockBilbo> :(
[10:46] <mojo_> ddave you think you can copy and paste a file, or maybe open a direct connect with me ?
[10:46] <thekoreuk> brb - hopefully in openbox
[10:46] <toresbe> BockBilbo: No, it doesn't - apt-gotten anything lately?
[10:46] <mojo_> Ddave:  DON'T PASTE IT ALL IN HERE!!!
[10:46] <BockBilbo> well..
[10:46] <Dddddave> i wont:P
[10:46] <mojo_> dDddave:  I would have you do that in a private channel
[10:47] <BockBilbo> i made a wierd thing.. im using hoary and i couldnt download plone... so i switched my apt sources to warty to download it from the warty repositories....
[10:47] <BockBilbo> downloaded plone and rewrite the sources.list to hoary
[10:47] <BockBilbo> ...
[10:48] <BockBilbo> i also downloaded apache2 .... but after downloading it, i rebooted and eth1 was still there
[10:50] <mojo_> ddave u still there?
[10:50] <cpkern> Is there anyone there who can assist me, please, with a user/root problem?
[10:50] <BockBilbo> toresbe, was that a wrong move?
[10:51] <EvolutionR> I've installed the rp-pppoe through the source package, I've found out there's a problem with rp-pppoe, so how do I remove/ clean rp-pppoe source packages?
[10:51] <EvolutionR> cpkern: go to Applications>SystemTools>Root Terminal
[10:52] <cpkern> Can't go there. That's my problem.
[10:52] <ztonzy> :)
[10:53] <EvolutionR> cpkern: http://ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[10:54] <FAST> can someone tell me where to go to enable or disable digital/analog reading of audio cds?
[10:55] <carthik> hile, does anyone know how to get a 802.11g card to work with a 802.11b wireless router, using ndiswrapper
[10:55] <carthik> I mean all 802.11g cards can be made to work as 802.11b cards right?
[10:56] <cpkern> I am new to the Ubuntu version of Linux. This whole sudo requirement has stuck it to me. After mounting an NFS drive from another machine on the network, I was instructed to change my user's GID to 500. On Ubuntu, it defaulted to 1000. After changing it using the GUI to 500, I no longer have access as root for anything...
[10:56] <jan__> i trying to install the mplayer, i dud ./configure, make and make install, but i still cant open it...help?
[10:57] <BockBilbo> carthik, im not sure if what you are saying is true
[10:58] <carthik> BockBilbo, so, I have this G card (big mistake maybe) which refuses to work with a B router, I think. Any way around this problem?
[10:58] <neighborlee> jan__, do you get error running it ..if so what error..or do you mean you didn't do: ./configure --enable-gui or whatever option it is ....
[10:58] <BockBilbo> well
[10:59] <BockBilbo> carthik, mmm have you googled around the prob?
[10:59] <BockBilbo> ...
[10:59] <BockBilbo> im not sure, but i think that they use different frecuencies
[10:59] <jan__> i got some error, i ll run again, i ll tell which error
[10:59] <EvolutionR> cpkern: how was it going?
[10:59] <carthik> BockBilbo, the reason I ask is because the same wireless card seemd to work for many folks, on different distros, using ndiswrapper, but no one says anything about whether their router was G or B, so I am thinking that maybe the problem is with my router being a B
[11:00] <BockBilbo> mm
[11:00] <BockBilbo> dontk now..
[11:00] <cpkern> EvolutionR: It was all god until I made the GID change at another Administrator's request.
[11:00] <BockBilbo> i have a bg card.. and a bg router
[11:00] <BockBilbo> :S
[11:01] <BockBilbo> carthik, they use the same range of frecuencies
[11:01] <BockBilbo> nevermind
[11:01] <BockBilbo> they should work fine
[11:01] <BockBilbo> carthik, have you tried configuing the essid?
[11:01] <FAST> can someone tell me where to go to enable or disable digital/analog reading of audio cds?
[11:01] <jan__> when i run ./configure in said that i need to install win32 codec, i doawload win32codec, but there is no install file
[11:02] <carthik> BockBilbo, yes, I am on my laptop now, on wireless, I have tried the same ESSID my laptop uses, for my desktop, on which I am trying to get the Linksys card going
[11:02] <BockBilbo> (using iwconfig)???
[11:02] <carthik> BockBilbo, yes, and by editing /etc/network/interfaces firectly
[11:02] <Dddave_Ubox> help
[11:02] <BockBilbo> mm
[11:03] <carthik> iwlist scanning gived "wlan0: No Scan Results"
[11:03] <BockBilbo> you know the essid is case sensitive, right?
[11:03] <carthik> gives, I mean
[11:03] <BockBilbo> mmm
[11:03] <carthik> BockBilbo, yes, 2WIRE383 :)
[11:03] <cpkern> EvolutionR: Any ideas besides reinstalling?
[11:03] <BockBilbo> mmm
[11:03] <BockBilbo> :s
[11:03] <carthik> BockBilbo, and I tried using my neighbours' linksys too
[11:03] <BockBilbo> thats wierd...
[11:03] <BockBilbo> :S
[11:04] <EvolutionR> cpkern: er if me I reinstall it :)
[11:04] <BockBilbo> im also having problems with my wcard
[11:04] <BockBilbo> :S
[11:04] <BockBilbo> ...
[11:04] <jan__> how can i install win32codec, there are just .dll files?
[11:04] <BockBilbo> jan__, apt-get install
[11:04] <carthik> jan__, for mplayer?
[11:04] <BockBilbo> brb
[11:05] <jan__> yes for mplayer
[11:05] <randabis-laptop> howdy ubuntuites
[11:05] <carthik> jan__ read the HOWTO install mplayer at the forums. It works great for me
[11:06] <FAST> anyone?
[11:06] <FAST> can someone tell me where to go to enable or disable digital/analog reading of audio cds?
[11:06] <carthik> jan__, those instructions are the best I ever found, in fact, and tells you step by step, how to compile and get it all going...
[11:07] <carthik> jan__, if you still only want the win32codec , enable the universe repository (you might have already) and do $sudo apt-get install w32codec
[11:07] <randabis-laptop> well I think I've ditched firefox for galeon heh
[11:08] <housetier> FAST, which problem are you trying to solve?
[11:09] <defile> w32codecs
[11:09] <FAST> housetier: i'm trying to use gnome cd player to play a cd, but am not hearing anything. i do hear normal ubuntu click/etc sounds, though.
[11:13] <BockBilbo> wow
[11:13] <BockBilbo> problem fixed
[11:13] <FAST> disregard that, i got it to work
[11:13] <BockBilbo> ... but doesnt make anyyy sense
[11:14] <icerogue> is anyone awake?
[11:14] <_4strO> yop
[11:14] <_4strO> i'm
[11:14] <_4strO> ^^
[11:15] <njs12345> how can I create Nautilus templates? that looks like a pretty useful functionality..
[11:16] <smo> njs12345: Create a folder named "Templates" in home, and put skeleton files in there.
[11:16] <discord> having trouble getting my usb cd burner going in ubuntu
[11:16] <discord> tried cdrecord -scanbus
[11:16] <discord> and i get
[11:16] <discord> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[11:17] <discord> any have a usb cd burner or any advice
[11:17] <discord> i see the device in /proc/scsi/scsi
[11:17] <carthik> Now my wireless card scans and shows a list of available networks, but still can't connect to any of those (no passwords etc)
[11:17] <discord> also xcdroast just sits ther on the autodetction
[11:17] <carthik> Anyone know how to fix that?
[11:17] <carthik> I have specified the right ESSIDs
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> discord: modprobe sg
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> discord: modprobe sg_mod
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> sorry
[11:18] <icerogue> where can i get the hoary iso?
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> that's it
[11:18] <carthik> Hi HrdwrBoB.
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> icerogue: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> hey carthik
[11:18] <carthik> I have a strange hardware prob
[11:18] <carthik> :)
[11:19] <discord> FATAL: Module sg_mod not found.
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> excellent!
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> oh wait.. damn
[11:19] <icerogue> lol so do i
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> discord: sorry it is sg
[11:19] <discord> yeah that worked
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> discord: sg is the generic scsi interface, needed for burning
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> are you running hoary or warty?
[11:20] <icerogue> i need to get the onboard sound on a p3 compaq working, and i dont know the model of the computer
[11:20] <discord> warty
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> ah ok
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> I'm fairly sure that hoary auto loads sg when scd is loaded
[11:20] <discord> its still hanging on the scan
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> icerogue: it should come up in lspci
[11:20] <discord> is hoary testing?
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> discord: currently yes
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> due out in april
[11:21] <discord> hmm
[11:21] <carthik> I am going to try to upgrade to Hoary to fix my ndiswrapper woes
[11:21] <discord> still not working im going to try to add the device manually again
[11:21] <icerogue>  HrdwrBoB: lspci? i know that on boot it says no sound card found and it doenst show up in the hardware manager
[11:22] <FAST> gnome-cd seems to be altering the pitch/sound of vocals for some reason???
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> lspci lists thigns connected to the pci bus
[11:22] <icerogue>  HrdwrBoB: btw this is currantly warty
[11:23] <imacuser> Hello
[11:23] <carthik> hi imacuser
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> icerogue: icerogue lspci|grep audio
[11:23] <discord> is scd a module also?
[11:23] <mov_ax_bx> hello
[11:24] <carthik> hi mov_ax_bx
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> discord: that would be sr_mod
[11:24] <icerogue>  HrdwrBoB: it didnt list a audio device
[11:24] <carthik> assembly mode, eh? mov_ax_bx
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> icerogue: it might be disabled in the BIOS
[11:24] <imacuser> Anyone with imac experience? I have troubles with my keyboard:
[11:24] <mov_ax_bx> :D
[11:24] <imacuser> It is recognized initially, but once the kernel is there, it's not working.
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> FAST: that's odd.
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> FAST: that shouldn't happen
[11:25] <imacuser> e.g. I drop in the low memory warning and I cannot press return :-(
[11:25] <imacuser> Can I pass any boot param's to force the driver or so?
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> hm
[11:26] <BenZor> does anyone know hwo to setup dual monitor on an ati card
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> imacuser: it wouldn't be recognised until hotplug is run
[11:27] <discord> any advice HrdwrBoB before i give up on this?
[11:28] <imacuser> HrdwrBoB: The max I could do is to create a swap partition using macos 9.x, if that's possible? Is it activate before the memory warning?
[11:29] <HrdwrBoB> imacuser: what is the error?
[11:30] <icerogue> HrdwrBoB: ok so it is giving me an address conflict on my pci bus, thats why its not recongnizing the sound card
[11:30] <discord> hmm xcdroast now seems to see it after loading thsoe modules
[11:30] <imacuser> HrdwrBoB: No error, I'm notified by a dialog that this is a low memory install and hence it will happen in english. I have to _confirm_ that, which I cannot, because my Mac-Keyboard is not recognized at that time.
[11:30] <discord> or not xcdroast
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> ahh
[11:30] <discord> but cdrecord -scanbus
[11:31] <discord> xcdroast still hangs on its scan
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> discord: cool
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> discord: just tell it manually
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> discord: if you're burning a data CD
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> you can just use nautilus
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> places-> CD creator
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> imacuser: give me a tick
[11:32] <discord> scsibus4:
[11:32] <discord>         4,0,0   400) 'LITE-ON ' 'LTR-52327S      ' 'QS0C' Removable CD-ROM
[11:32] <discord> does that mean its /dev/sdd?
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> it's probably /dev/sr0
[11:33] <BenZor> Windows killed grub, is there and easy way to repair it
[11:34] <discord> strange
[11:34] <discord> it finds it
[11:34] <discord> heh
[11:34] <discord> only if i put a blank in the drive
[11:34] <icerogue> pci address collision in region 7 address 0000:00:14.3 [f800:f839] 
[11:34] <discord> ugh
[11:35] <randabis-laptop> silly people installing windows on top of linux... :p
[11:35] <discord> HrdwrBoB, thanks you rule!
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> no problem :)I
[11:35] <randabis-laptop> http://www.ubuntuguide.org has a small section on restoring GRUB after a Windows install
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> icerogue: hrm
[11:36] <discord> HrdwrBoB, am i pushing it to ask you for help with sound also
[11:36] <HrdwrBoB> what is the problem
[11:36] <discord> i see my device in alsamixer but i dont get any sound
[11:37] <discord> its nforce2 / ac97 / integrated analog devices chipset
[11:37] <discord> i looked a bunch at the alsa site
[11:37] <randabis-laptop> maybe esd isn't set as the multimedia source
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> icerogue: try adding acpi=off to your kernel's line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:37] <discord> hmm
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> discord: you've made sure both master and pcm are unmuted
[11:37] <discord> yeah
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> (M in alsmixer
[11:38] <HrdwrBoB> what happens when you try to play a sound
[11:38] <discord> they are not muted
[11:38] <discord> randabis-laptop whats that?
[11:38] <discord> its like it plays in xmms
[11:38] <discord> but i dont get any sound
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> what is the output plugin of xmms
[11:39] <discord> alsa
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> change it to ESD
[11:40] <icerogue> im just wondering what exactly is apci anyhow?
[11:40] <discord> you mean eSound output plugin
[11:41] <discord> that dont work
[11:42] <Guardiann> discord do you have the log in sound
[11:42] <imacuser> hrdwrbob: Does it make sense to put the issue on the wiki? I think it's a deadlock which can only be solved by an option or a timer.
[11:43] <defile> discord, the successor to apm
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> imacuser: I'd file a bug report
[11:43] <discord> log in sound?
[11:43] <discord> sound log?
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> that's an issue that could also come on PCs with non PS2 keyboards
[11:43] <discord> no
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> and stuff
[11:43] <discord> no sound
[11:43] <imacuser> and it's easy to get around - just skip the dialog after 10 seconds or so.
[11:44] <Guardiann> are you using hoary or warty discord
[11:44] <discord> warty
[11:44] <mov_ax_bx> discord; try as root "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp"
[11:44] <mov_ax_bx> discord: do you hear noise?
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> discord: do you have >1 soundcard connected?
[11:44] <imacuser> tks anyway and bye
[11:45] <matica> okey - im new to Ubuntu and i have to say it looks sweet :) however - how does it come that i cant even find an app like mplayer in the package manager?
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> matica: settings-> repositories
[11:45] <cef> ok, so who do I hassle about the warty CD's I ordered before its release?
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> enable universe and multiverse
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> cef: they should all have been delivered
[11:46] <cef> HrdwrBoB: never seen a disk
[11:46] <matica> HrdwrBoB, and what do i do there?
[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> cef: mako@canonical.com
[11:46] <cef> HrdwrBoB: and 120 cd's is sort of hard to miss
[11:47] <HrdwrBoB> matica: in the bit down the bottom
[11:47] <discord> mov_ax_bx, no
[11:47] <HrdwrBoB> put (space seperated) main universe multiverse
[11:47] <HrdwrBoB> then update the package list
[11:47] <discord> yes i have one sound card
[11:47] <cef> HrdwrBoB: woops, 160 even
[11:47] <discord> but i think it has two controllers or something like that
[11:47] <HrdwrBoB> heh, still hard to miss
[11:47] <discord> like this IEC chip
[11:47] <discord> and another
[11:48] <cef> though from what I can tell, only 40 have shipped.. but I've not any
[11:48] <discord> ad1981b
[11:48] <discord> is the man
[11:48] <HrdwrBoB> discord: in the gnome mixer is there more devices?
[11:48] <discord> main
[11:48] <discord> it says NVidia nForce2                                                         ?? Chip: Analog Devices AD1981B                                                 ?? Item: Master
[11:48] <discord> ? Card: NVidia nForce2                                                         ?? Chip: Analog Devices AD1981B                                                 ?? Item: IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA
[11:48] <discord> in alsamixer
[11:49] <discord> in gnomemixer
[11:49] <discord> i see
[11:49] <mov_ax_bx> discord, try to kill esd and then play xmms
[11:49] <discord> analog devuces ad1981b [oss mixer
[11:49] <discord> and
[11:49] <discord> nvidia nforce2 [alsa mixer
[11:50] <cef> HrdwrBoB: ahh well, no use sending them now I guess.. may as well just wait for hoary
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[11:50] <discord> esd module?
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> email him anywa
[11:50] <cef> HrdwrBoB: they were actually for give-away for LUV.. ahh well
[11:50] <cef> yeah I will
[11:50] <mov_ax_bx> discord "killall -9 esd"
[11:51] <icerogue> HrdwrBoB: ok i added apci=off to the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst and i got the same address conflict
[11:51] <discord> i dont see it in ps but i will try
[11:52] <discord> mov_ax_bx, nothing
[11:52] <mov_ax_bx> hmmmm
[11:52] <bnurmi> root@internet:~ # apt-get install gkrellm
[11:52] <bnurmi> Reading Package Lists... Done
[11:52] <bnurmi> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[11:52] <bnurmi> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[11:52] <bnurmi> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:52] <bnurmi>   gkrellm: Depends: gkrellm-common (= 2.2.1-1) but it is not going to be installed
[11:52] <bnurmi>   mplayer-custom: Depends: libavcodec2 but it is not going to be installed
[11:52] <bnurmi> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[11:52] <bnurmi> why?
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> bnurmi: run apt-get -f install ?
[11:54] <bnurmi> Preconfiguring packages ...
[11:54] <bnurmi> (Reading database ... 62645 files and directories currently installed.)
[11:54] <bnurmi> Unpacking libavcodec2 (from .../libavcodec2_1%3a0.4.9-pre1-sarge0.2_i386.deb) ...
[11:54] <bnurmi> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libavcodec2_1%3a0.4.9-pre1-sarge0.2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[11:54] <bnurmi>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libavcodec.so.0.4.9-pre1', which is also in package libavcodec0
[11:54] <bnurmi> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[11:54] <bnurmi> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:54] <bnurmi>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libavcodec2_1%3a0.4.9-pre1-sarge0.2_i386.deb
[11:54] <bnurmi> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:54] <carthik> python-eunuchs ? what the heck is that? (seen in synaptic, installed on my desktop)
[11:54] <jan__> is there any default password for root?
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> bnurmi: you could try apt-get remove libavcodec0
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> jan__: no, you should use sudo
[11:55] <carthik> jan__ there is no root account,
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> sudo runs stuff as root
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> but uses your password
[11:55] <carthik> quickGunBob
[11:55] <bnurmi> still dows it.
[11:55] <bnurmi> does8
[11:55] <discord> shti
[11:55] <discord> when burning a cd i get
[11:55] <carthik> won't let me get in an easy answer sideways :(
[11:55] <discord> /home/discord/burn/KNOPPIX_V3.7-2004-12-08-EN/KNOPPIX_V3.7-2004-12-08-EN.iso
[11:55] <discord> whoops
[11:56] <discord> heh
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> hehe carthik
[11:56] <carthik> ;)
[11:56] <discord> cdrecord: cannot allocate memory. Cannot get SCSU U/O buffer. TOC Type:1 = CD-ROM
[11:57] <BockBilbo> hello
[11:58] <BockBilbo> how do i change the background color of the gnome start where the ubuntu-splash image appears?
[11:58] <jan__> i read that about sudo, but i can not create a direcotry in usr/local/lib...
[11:58] <housetier> bnurmi, does "apt-get install gkrellm gkrellm-common mplayer libavcodec2" get you further?
[11:58] <thekoreuk> well i got the openbox thing working
[11:58] <discord> is their a iso to install hoary from
[11:59] <popey> BockBilbo, click Computer --> System configuration --> Login screen setup
[11:59] <bnurmi> nevermind, figured it i hope..
[11:59] <bnurmi> wait. no
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> jan__: run sudo mkdir foo
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> then put in your password
[11:59] <BockBilbo> popey, i dont mean gdm
[11:59] <Falco> hello
[11:59] <Falco> how are you ?
[11:59] <Guardiann> discord yes but upgrading works well
[11:59] <popey> BockBilbo, you mean the desktop?
[11:59] <Falco> i'm a new user of linux gnu ubuntu , i'm from france
[11:59] <BockBilbo> neither
[11:59] <popey> BockBilbo, what then?
[11:59] <bnurmi> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:59] <bnurmi>   mplayer: Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.0.5) but 1:2.0.4-3 is to be installed
[11:59] <bnurmi>            Depends: libmp3lame0 but it is not going to be installed
[11:59] <bnurmi>            Depends: libpng10-0 (>= 1.0.18) but 1.0.15-6ubuntu1 is to be installed
[11:59] <bnurmi>            Depends: libsdl1.2debian (> 1.2.7+1.2.8) but 1.2.7-7 is to be installed
[12:00] <bnurmi> E: Broken packages
[12:00] <Falco> and i've got a really fucking problem
[12:00] <Falco> lol
[12:00] <BockBilbo> i mean what it is b/w the gdm login and the deskto
[12:00] <Adrenal> theres a howto
[12:00] <popey> Falco, language
[12:00] <BockBilbo> there is an splash image for some seconds
[12:00] <Falco> sorru poppey it's not volotary
[12:00] <discord> Guardiann, do i add some repositories to aptitude or synaptic
[12:00] <BockBilbo> while metacity and nautilus get loaded
[12:00] <housetier> bnurmi, maybe try "apt-get remove mplayer" for now, so you can concentrate on gkrellm
[12:00] <Falco> can us execute .EXE file in linux ubuntu ????
[12:00] <popey> BockBilbo, I know the one you mean
[12:00] <BockBilbo> see..
[12:01] <BockBilbo> i have made my own splash image
[12:01] <mov_ax_bx> bnurmi: remove the lines with "unstable" and "testing" from /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> discord: that cd error looks to be a kernel bug
[12:01] <bnurmi> ahhh winner
[12:01] <BockBilbo> but the background still brown
[12:01] <Guardiann> replace all the warty entries with hoary
[12:01] <BockBilbo> which is the default for ubuntu
[12:01] <Falco> i'm my big problem , because i work in robotik scientifik procject and i need to start .EXE files in linux can i do it ?
[12:01] <Guardiann> then apt-get update
[12:01] <discord> HardwrBoB; thanks
[12:01] <discord> that sucks
[12:01] <popey> Falco, are these windows applications?
[12:01] <discord> you know if they fixed it in 2.6.10?
[12:01] <Falco> yes of course popey
[12:01] <popey> Falco, use wine?
[12:02] <thekoreuk> Falco: if you are needing access to the files within the exe, then do unzip filename.exe
[12:02] <mov_ax_bx> falco: if its windoze app try to use wine, if its dos app - try dosbox or dosemu
[12:02] <Falco> non , we can start .EXE files with this ?
[12:02] <Guardiann> discord fixed what?
[12:02] <carthik> Falco, or crossover office, but not all .exe files will run...
[12:02] <popey> Falco, you can start some exes with it
[12:02] <carthik> Falco, pretty much hit-or-miss I guess
[12:02] <popey> Falco, or you could use qemu (a very good virtual machine) and install windows in it
[12:02] <Falco> i will try thanks
[12:03] <bnurmi> worked, ta :)
[12:03] <Falco> can you tell me the E-adresse of this software ?
[12:03] <popey> falco, "sudo apt-get install wine"
[12:04] <Falco> are there french for helping me .
[12:04] <carthik> Falco, of crossover office?
[12:04] <Falco> yes thnaks
[12:04] <carthik> Falco, that is paid software (not free) it costs approx US$ 70
[12:05] <defile> Falco, http://www.codeweavers.com/
[12:05] <Falco> thanks :)
[12:05] <Guardiann> Falco they offer a 30 day free trial tho
[12:05] <Falco> ok can it run istallshield too ?
[12:06] <BockBilbo> bye
[12:07] <icerogue> night all
[12:07] <Falco> ok popey thanks
[12:07] <carthik> Falco, it can run some setup.exe that use installshield
[12:09] <EvolutionR> I try to install the Mplayer-386 mark all the changes needed, then the error window came out "Could not mark all packages for installation or upgrade" The following packages have unresolvable dependecies. Make sure that all required repositories are added and enabled in the preferences.
[12:09] <discord> hmm it looks like it is burning in cd record
[12:09] <discord> just xcdroast crapper does not work
[12:10] <bnurmi> ok heres another issue on my other box
[12:10] <bnurmi> windows just killed GRUB
[12:11] <bnurmi> and the guide on ubuntuguide.org isnt helping
[12:11] <bnurmi> i can chroot, and i get bin cdrom proc etc all there in "ls"
[12:11] <bnurmi> when i run grub and type root (hd0,0)
[12:12] <mov_ax_bx> bnurmi: boot with live cd, mount your hd to eg. /mnt than chroot /mnt and grub-install /dev/hda
[12:12] <bnurmi> I get "File system type unknown"
[12:12] <bnurmi> i dont have a live cd,
[12:12] <bnurmi> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#gainrootinstallcd
[12:12] <bnurmi> im using that guide
[12:12] <Falco> i can't start wine :)
[12:13] <AzMoo> Can anybody recommend a good bittorrent client?
[12:13] <bnurmi> nevermind, got it
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> AzMoo: azureys
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> AzMoo: azureus
[12:14] <AzMoo> HrdwrBoB, does ubuntu have a package?
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> AzMoo: no
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> you'll also need java
 Oh
 good
 "Booting
 root hd0,1
 filesystem type is ext2fs
 Error 13 Invalid or unsupported executable format
[12:16] <bnurmi> is there any way to auto setup grub
[12:16] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> Help, I cant log into my ubuntu pc... "GDM could not write to your authorization file. bla bla .... In any case, it is not possible to log in" What to do? I guess it is something with the network configuration....
[12:17] <EvolutionR> mplayer-386:Depends: libarts (>=4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable or
   libarts-alsa (>=4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable
[12:17] <EvolutionR> <EDepends: libdvdread2  but it is not installable Depends: libvorbis0 (>=1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable. what's all this?
[12:17] <AzMoo> HrdwrBoB, is that just the java-common package I'll need?
[12:18] <carthik> WOOT! My wireless card now works!!!! Hoary rocks (for me)
[12:19] <EvolutionR> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:19] <EvolutionR>   mplayer-386: Depends: libarts (>= 4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable or
[12:19] <EvolutionR>                         libarts-alsa (>= 4:2.2.2-1) but it is not installable
[12:19] <EvolutionR>                Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[12:19] <EvolutionR>                Depends: libvorbis0 (>= 1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable
[12:19] <EvolutionR> E: Broken packages
[12:19] <EvolutionR> what should I do?
[12:20] <Guardiann> EvolutionR are you using warty and your getting those errors?
[12:20] <EvolutionR> Guardiann: Hoary not warthy
[12:21] <EvolutionR> Guardiann: HOw are u long time no chat
[12:21] <Guardiann> Hoary is in the middle of being developed
[12:21] <EvolutionR> u usually log on chat this time?
[12:21] <EvolutionR> oic
[12:21] <Guardiann> and good thanks
[12:21] <EvolutionR> but I've add repos to it
[12:22] <EvolutionR> maybe I shall apt-get libarts ...etc to meet the dependecies?
[12:22] <EvolutionR> Guardiann: I have successfully upgrade to Hoary after reinstall warthy
[12:22] <Guardiann> maybe but a work in progress is a work in progress :)
[12:22] <Guardiann> very good
[12:22] <EvolutionR> :) okie
[12:23] <Guardiann> how do you like hoary
[12:23] <EvolutionR> Guardiann: it help me to get my internet connected /surf net...but warthy not
[12:23] <EvolutionR> that's y thanks to Hoary
[12:24] <Guardiann> :)
[12:25] <EvolutionR> I gtg :) bye have dinner
[12:25] <Guardiann> see ya later
[12:25] <EvolutionR> cya
[12:26] <defile> hoary is already quite good
[12:26] <Guardiann> defile works great for me
[12:26] <defile> for "bleeding edge" it feels pretty solid
[12:29] <carthik> defile, wait till you run into a nasty upgrade :)
[12:30] <Guardiann> defile i installed on another machine yesterday that used to run slack its been up running a ircd server now since yesterday no hickups yet
[12:30] <Guardiann> :)
[12:30] <carthik> just kidding - but once my desktop was screwed up, that's cutting edge for one...
[12:34] <Guardiann> quiet in here
[12:35] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> I cant log inn... GDM error...
[12:36] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> GDM could not write the authorization file...
[12:37] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> "GDM could not write the authorization file... It is not possible to long in. Please contact your administratir"
[12:37] <Falco> can i have link of gemu ? lol
[12:38] <Guardiann> GDM-AUTHORIZATIO are you out of dik space?
[12:38] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> how can i chech that?
[12:38] <discord> thanks for the help everybody
[12:40] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> Guardin... I think not... but YES the msg say so... I think it is something with the Net config...
[12:41] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> Afther I set static ip... I did not come in...
[12:44] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> "GDM could not write the authorization file... This could mean that your  are out of disk space or that your home directory could not be opened for writing. In any case, It is not possible to long in. Please contact your administrator"
[12:45] <Guardiann> well first ensure you have enough disk space
[12:45] <Guardiann> df should show you that
[12:45] <Nuak> hi all
[12:45] <Guardiann> hello
[12:45] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> Good point... Usage 100 %
[12:45] <Nuak> i'm new to the ubuntu community
[12:45] <Guardiann> so your full :(
[12:45] <Nuak> coming from ArchLinux
[12:46] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> How to emty trash?
[12:46] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> I deleted many files...
[12:46] <Nuak> nautilus doesn't work after i few minutes running my computer
[12:46] <Nuak> anyone has this problem?
[12:48] <Guardiann> GDM-AUTHORIZATIO you may have to delete more files
[12:50] <Falco> do you know the link of gemu ?
[12:50] <Falco> lol
[12:50] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> Oki, now I have much spase.. usage 68 % ... No error while trying to log in.. It just "freze"
[12:51] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> Do I need to reboot?
[12:51] <Guardiann> possibly
[12:57] <isa> ?
[12:57] <Nuak> when i start nautilus from the console, it just do nothing
[12:57] <Nuak> the cursor stays blinking
[12:58] <Nuak> gedit doesn't start either
[12:58] <will> nuak: try starting it in the cli
[12:58] <Nuak> in the cli?
[12:58] <Nuak> i don't know what's the cli
[12:58] <will> in the command line interface
[12:58] <Nuak> ok
[12:58] <will> terminal
[12:58] <Guardiann> hello will
[12:59] <Nuak> i'm saying i'm trying to start it in a terminal
[12:59] <Nuak> ;-)
[12:59] <will> morning!
[12:59] <CreeVal> morning
[12:59] <kbrooks> I have a problem when I try and start kde on ubnuntu
[12:59] <kbrooks> ubuntu*
[12:59] <will> opp im of shopping ppl, see ya later
[01:00] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> Cheers for Guardiann!! Thank you for your helping me! No my ubuntu pc works : )
[01:00] <Guardiann> lol your very welcome
[01:00] <kbrooks> GDM-AUTHORIZATIO: funny nickname. :)
[01:00] <defile> Nuak, is this running off of the live CD or an install?
[01:00] <kbrooks> I have a problem when I try and start kde on ubnuntu
[01:00] <kbrooks> help.
[01:01] <kbrooks> ubuntu*
[01:01] <kbrooks> can anyone please help me
[01:01] <Nuak> defile, it's an install of ubuntu warty
[01:01] <david> G'day. I have a problem identifying the tools for installing ISA Cards
[01:01] <defile> kbrooks, a problem?
[01:02] <Nuak> i have searched in the ubuntu bugzilla
[01:02] <GDM-AUTHORIZATIO> Kbrooks out of disk space?
[01:02] <Nuak> i have found problems like mine
[01:02] <david> Well Yeah. I can't find them
[01:02] <Nuak> but no solution
[01:02] <ubernoob> i want to install a program, but the package manager only have an old version.... could i download a newer debian version and use dpkg? Will the result be the same? (easy to uninstall/update)
[01:03] <Peter> whats a good cd burning application?
[01:03] <kbrooks> defile: yeah. upon kde startup it says that there is no write access to .IceAUTHORITY
[01:03] <moyogo> Peter: nautilus, as far a data cd
[01:03] <Nuak> humm, i'm reading that someone fixed it by uninstalling bonobo
[01:03] <Peter> moyogo: nautilus isnt letting me write to CDRs :/
[01:03] <kbrooks> and anoter message pops up that says stuff about ksmserver
[01:04] <moyogo> Peter: warty or hoary?
[01:04] <Peter> hoary
[01:04] <kbrooks> but i have it installed
[01:04] <moyogo> Peter: yeah I have the same issue here
[01:04] <kbrooks> i even tried apt-getting it
[01:04] <moyogo> Peter: I don't know if there's a bug filed about it
[01:05] <Peter> then im screwed huh?
[01:05] <Guardiann> Peter have you tried k3b
[01:05] <Peter> k3b? no
[01:05] <Peter> what is it
[01:05] <Guardiann> it works well or has for me
[01:05] <kbrooks> Peter: its a kde burning application
[01:05] <Guardiann> its in synaptic
[01:06] <kbrooks> Peter: but don't worry it will work for u in gnome
[01:06] <Guardiann> works well with gnome as well
[01:06] <Peter> ok
[01:06] <CreeVal> *getting k3b right away*
[01:06] <Guardiann> :)
[01:06] <Nuak> please, no one has experimented nautilus problems?
[01:06] <Peter> define problem
[01:07] <moyogo> Nuak: what problems?
[01:07] <Guardiann> Nuak not me >>>> yet :)
[01:07] <moyogo> Nuak: sorry I just woke up
[01:07] <Peter> anyone have any experience with ubuntu (hoary) and the ati drivers
[01:07] <kbrooks> errr
[01:07] <llamakc> Peter: i do.
[01:08] <Nuak> nautilus doesn't start after a few minutes
[01:08] <SirFred> gamin conflicts fam in the last Hoary update.
[01:08] <Nuak> if i try to start it, it just do nothing
[01:08] <kbrooks> ummm
[01:08] <Peter> llamakc: would there be any reason why i am not getting 3d acceleration?
[01:08] <kbrooks> gnome doesnt start either
[01:08] <Nuak> nothing if i start from the terminal
[01:08] <kbrooks> no write access
[01:08] <Peter> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13216 <- xorg config and xorg log
[01:08] <SirFred> What does it means? Is fam no longer neccesary?
[01:08] <kbrooks> ICEAUTHORITY is teh file
[01:08] <llamakc> Peter: tbhonest, i haven't tried yet myself, just got ubuntu up yesterday
[01:09] <Peter> what acard are you usinf?
[01:09] <Peter> *card using
[01:09] <llamakc> I think an older 9200
[01:09] <llamakc> yep
[01:09] <Peter> ohhh
[01:09] <llamakc> direct rendering: Yes
[01:09] <Peter> using a 9800 :(
[01:09] <llamakc> kewl
[01:09] <Peter> not really
[01:09] <llamakc> wifey has one for sims2. i'm not allowed to steal it
[01:10] <david> Anybody know what tools I should use to config a SB16 Sound Cards (Isa)
[01:10] <Peter> direct rendering: No
[01:10] <Peter> llamakc: how do you enable direct rendering?
[01:10] <llamakc> all i did was apt-get the xorg-driver-fglrx (sp?) package and change xorg.conf
[01:11] <Peter> what processor do you have?
[01:11] <llamakc> older amd, 1.3ghz
[01:12] <Nuak> ok, my problem with nautilus would dissapear if i upgrade to hoary?
[01:12] <Nuak> is hoary 'stable' by now?
[01:12] <llamakc> hoary is stable enough for me
[01:13] <Nuak> i come from a bleeding edge distribution
[01:13] <ubernoob> i want to install a program, but the package manager only have an old version.... could i download a newer debian version and use dpkg? Will the result be the same? (easy to uninstall/update)
[01:13] <Nuak> ubernoob maybe you would have dependecy problems
[01:14] <Nuak> and with dpkg it's easy to install and uninstall packages
[01:14] <srebbeg> this is a really stupid question, but when i mount a ntfs partition, when a user tries to view the files they get 'partition denied' - any suggestions? :)
[01:14] <Rytmis> meh... this is not one of the finest moments of Gentoo... compiling a Qt update :p
[01:14] <kbrooks> llamakc: me too
[01:14] <Peter> where do i get the cdrdao package?
[01:14] <Guardiann> from synaptic
[01:14] <Guardiann> just do a search for it
[01:15] <Peter> its called cdrdao?
[01:15] <kbrooks> pepsi: apt-get install cdrdao on the cli
[01:15] <kbrooks> Peter: *
[01:15] <kbrooks> god damn it
[01:15] <Peter> E: Package cdrdao has no installation candidate
[01:15] <Guardiann> yes peter
[01:15] <Guardiann> did you search in synaptic manager?
[01:16] <kbrooks> none? apt-cache search it
[01:16] <Peter> Guardiann: not listed
[01:16] <kbrooks> Guardiann: he doesnt have to be limited to the gui
[01:16] <Guardiann> yo may have to update your sources
[01:16] <Guardiann> kbrooks your so right
[01:16] <Guardiann> or terminal either
[01:16] <kbrooks> Guardiann: editing text files is extremely easy
[01:16] <Peter> nope, not listed when i search for it either.
[01:17] <kbrooks> Peter: ok. type this exactly:
[01:17] <Guardiann> peter update your sources
[01:17] <ubernoob> srebbeg: try to add "-o umask=000" at the end of the mount command.... it will give all users rwx permissions
[01:17] <Paul`> Hi, any ideas where I can get w32codecs from
[01:18] <Paul`> can't find the mirror with it to add it to deb sources
[01:18] <Peter> http://www.princessleia.com/tools/mplayer/win32codecs.tar.bz2
[01:18] <kbrooks> Peter: sudo sed -e 's/^#//' < /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:18] <Peter> ok
[01:19] <kbrooks> and copy and paste (using ctrl+shift+c) into the terminal
[01:19] <Rytmis> Does Ubuntu store information about installed devices somewhere? such as whether to use ifconfig or iwconfig for a given network device?
[01:19] <bnurmi> where do i put icons for gnome
[01:19] <kbrooks> Peter: btw, ^ means beginning of line
[01:19] <Rytmis> and $ means end of line
[01:19] <Peter> ok
[01:19] <Rytmis> regexes rule
[01:19] <kbrooks> ^# matches a # at the beginnig
[01:19] <Peter> ran that
[01:20] <kbrooks> do you see anything with # at the start of it?
[01:20] <Peter> no
[01:20] <kbrooks> good
[01:20] <Guardiann> hmmm
[01:21] <llamakc> bnurmi: ~/.icons
[01:22] <kbrooks> if it's not blank, copy and paste that (select the file, and ctrl+shift+c, then open up your fav text editor and point it to /etc/apt/sources.list and press ctrl+v)
[01:22] <kbrooks> or you can edit > copy etc
[01:23] <Guardiann> peter take a look at www.ubuntuguide.org  explains how to add more as well
[01:23] <Peter> ok
[01:23] <Peter> done that
[01:23] <kbrooks> Peter: and comment any line that contains 'deb cdrom'; you dont want those
[01:24] <Peter> yep
[01:26] <kbrooks> Peter: and don't add to the sources.list; rather clear it and paste (clear: edit > select all; and press delete)
[01:26] <llamakc> the installer should prompt whether or not the user is gonna use the deb cdrom
[01:26] <Peter> i edited the sources.list
[01:26] <kbrooks> Peter: and then save it. after you have saved it, do: apt-get update && apt-get install pkg
[01:27] <kbrooks> where pkg is the package you want to install.
[01:27] <Peter> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[01:27] <Peter> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[01:27] <Peter> oh
[01:28] <Guardiann> :)
[01:28] <Peter> same error even wiith sudo
[01:28] <llamakc> is synaptic running peter?
[01:28] <kbrooks> Peter: close it
[01:29] <Peter> it isnt
[01:29] <kbrooks> ps aux | grep (apt-get|dpkg)
[01:31] <socketbind> howdy, is there any way to make a warty ubuntu to not install grub into the mbr? instead to the root partition?
[01:31] <hOnki> schnen guten morgen..
[01:32] <hOnki> ich hab grad mal das forum durchsucht und nach einer lsung gesucht wie man ubuntu von der liveCD installiert
[01:32] <hOnki> kann mir da einer helfen? hab nichts gefunden...
[01:32] <hOnki> <- absoluter linux anfnger
[01:32] <socketbind> howdy, is there any way to make a warty ubuntu to not install grub into the mbr? instead to the root partition?
[01:32] <kbrooks_> ;)
[01:32] <housetier> hOnki, in #ubuntu-de gehts bestimmt besser :)
[01:32] <kbrooks_> :P
[01:33] <hOnki> mmpf ;)
[01:33] <socketbind> any idea?
[01:33] <kbrooks> Peter: are u there
[01:34] <kbrooks> ps aux | grep (apt-get|dpkg) <--- run that
[01:34] <ubernoob> socketbind: yes, you can choose that when you install
[01:34] <Lovechild> hOnki, please this is an english channel
[01:34] <socketbind> ubernoob: if I choose to partition by hand?
[01:35] <socketbind> it wouldn't be a problem for me but if I choose that would it ask it?
[01:35] <ubernoob> after you are done setting up the partitions (either manuel or auto) you are ask where to install grup
[01:35] <ubernoob> grub
[01:36] <socketbind> well I installed ubuntu in qemu, and I didn't had the time to finish it, but till it started to install the core system it didn't asked me to where to put it
[01:36] <socketbind> is it there, someway after that?
[01:37] <socketbind> i had read some reviews about ubuntu and it said that it doesn't asks to where install the bootloader, but if you say so I'll try it
[01:37] <marcin_ant> hello I have strange problem - I want to use MiscFixed font on gnome-terminal - but this font isn't available on list - what can I do to enable this?
[01:38] <socketbind> to restore the original lilo bootloader would take just 2 minutes so it can't make too many damage I guess :D
[01:39] <ubernoob> i was at least asked where to install grub
[01:39] <socketbind> I hope so I'll will be too :D
[01:39] <ubernoob> but read carefully.... if you just press enter, it will overwrite the mbr
[01:39] <socketbind> i have a mandrake by now and i want an ubuntu too
[01:40] <Hwolf> socketbind, get yourself a download. :-)
[01:40] <CreeVal> Anyone know when the pressed CD's will ship?
[01:40] <socketbind> what do you mean?:D i've downloaded warty-release-install-i386.iso :D
[01:41] <Guardiann> CreeVal apparently many have got them allready
[01:41] <CreeVal> wierd...
[01:41] <CreeVal> Well i am in Norway so it might take a while...
[01:43] <Guardiann> yeah i got mine off of a linux magazine
[01:44] <CreeVal> Hmm... I'll just have to wait and see... It dosent matter when i get it really, it's not like im depended on them to install Ubuntu, but it sure will look better than the CD-R i have with it now...
[01:45] <benjami> hi
[01:45] <CreeVal> god day
[01:45] <benjami> my gnome doesnt start (hoary)
[01:46] <benjami> i just see the golden screen
[01:46] <benjami> after the gdm login
[01:46] <CreeVal> Hmmm... Well im out... :S
[01:46] <benjami> youre out?
[01:47] <CreeVal> yeah, i dont know what the reason is...
[01:47] <CreeVal> a.k.a. im out...
[01:47] <benjami> ah ok
[01:48] <benjami> but you can stay
[01:48] <CreeVal> hehe...
[01:49] <benjami> and the other 327 ^^
[01:50] <llamakc> who woke me?
[01:50] <llamakc> what up benjami
[01:50] <benjami> it was Crane
[01:50] <benjami> ....my gnome doesnt start ^^
[01:51] <llamakc> ok. gdm works, right?
[01:51] <benjami> yap
[01:51] <llamakc> what'd you do last
[01:52] <marcin_ant> ok - again how to add misc-fixed font as pango font?
[01:52] <Peter> cant be bothered with ubuntu, the two things i need working doen :|
[01:52] <Peter> dont
[01:52] <Peter> erm, wrong #
[01:52] <benjami> i installed hoary array 3 ...gnome worked fine...
[01:52] <benjami> then i did an upgrade...
[01:53] <llamakc> try restarting gdm. /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[01:53] <socketbind> oh yes, does ubuntu install devel pacakges or they absolutely doesn't fit on 1CD?
[01:53] <socketbind> i would need glib, gtk and such
[01:53] <socketbind> sdl, etc..
[01:53] <benjami> llamakc, i restarted it hundred times
[01:53] <llamakc> k
[01:53] <benjami> icewm starts...
[01:53] <llamakc> how about going to a console and re-running apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:54] <llamakc> there was a fam/gamin conflict i believe
[01:54] <benjami> already done
[01:54] <llamakc> well damn
[01:54] <Slaven> Hm.
[01:54] <llamakc> did array 3 have xorg or xfree?
[01:54] <benjami> xorg
[01:55] <llamakc> do /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:55] <Slaven> Is there some way installing fonts WITHOUT restarting X? ;)
[01:55] <llamakc> and try starting X from the cli
[01:55] <benjami> cli?
[01:55] <llamakc> command line
[01:55] <benjami> ah ok :)
[01:55] <llamakc> that way when it fails you should get some error
[01:55] <llamakc> also look in /var/log/gdm/ for an error
[01:55] <benjami> ok, cu
[01:56] <llamakc> me too. time for coffee & cake
[01:59] <Peter> could i burn ubuntu onto a dvd and use that rather than a cdr?
[01:59] <CreeVal> I guess... But wouldn't that be a bit pointless???
[02:00] <Peter> no
[02:00] <CreeVal> ...
[02:00] <Peter> what?
[02:01] <CreeVal> Nothing, its just that Ubuntu take about 1 CD-R and a DVD has about 4.7 GB space...
[02:01] <CreeVal> Alot of space wasted...
[02:01] <CreeVal> But hey its your DVD-R/+R
[02:01] <benjami> just something like that: Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0
[02:01] <jdub> Peter: there will be DVD images of hoary
[02:02] <Peter> on release?
[02:02] <jdub> there are weekly test DVDs now
[02:02] <jdub> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[02:02] <Peter> ick
[02:02] <Peter> wish i'd seen that last night
[02:03] <Edipo> anybody speak spanish?
[02:03] <Peter> whats a decent dvd writing application?
[02:03] <jdub> nautilus will burn data on dvds
[02:03] <Peter> hmm
[02:03] <Peter> it seems natilus doesnt burn to any format
[02:03] <Peter> :/
[02:04] <CreeVal> k3b then
[02:04] <Guardiann> jdub Peter cant seem to find cdrdao in the sources why would that be ?
[02:04] <Rytmis> But that comes with half or more of KDE, right? :D
[02:04] <Peter> cant find the dvrdao package
[02:04] <Peter> lol.
[02:05] <CreeVal> I was told k3b works with gnome...
[02:05] <Guardiann> yep it does CreeVal
[02:05] <CreeVal> :)
[02:05] <Guardiann> but you need cdrdao
[02:05] <jdub> Peter: dvd+rw-tools
[02:06] <Peter> i have that
[02:06] <CreeVal> Guardiann: Done :)
[02:06] <Peter> how do you launch it?
[02:06] <Guardiann> CreeVal ?
[02:06] <CreeVal> Guardiann, no just installed the package you said...
[02:06] <CreeVal> nothing else... :)
[02:07] <Guardiann> ah ok good you found it
[02:07] <CreeVal> :D
[02:07] <CreeVal> brb
[02:07] <puzzledm> hi, new question, how do I speed up the time it takes my ubuntu to boot up
[02:07] <popey> hmmm, after upgrading to hoary, is it normal that my Applications menu has a debian menu, and all the entries have folder icons?
[02:07] <popey> puzzledm, dont run so many daemons
[02:08] <puzzledm> what?
[02:08] <Peter> how could i revert back to warty?
[02:08] <popey> puzzledm, you could choose not to run some stuff at startup, called daemons, like the time updater thing..
[02:08] <puzzledm> i just have a standard install
[02:08] <popey> Peter, I dont think you can
[02:08] <popey> puzzledm, not a huge amount you can remove I'd guess then
[02:08] <Peter> ok,
[02:08] <Peter> time to reinstall then.
[02:08] <Guardiann> popey yeash its a bit odd this upgrade doesnt,but on another upgrade i have the debian stuff as well
[02:09] <Peter> bbl
[02:09] <Guardiann> and both upgrades were done the same way
[02:09] <Guardiann> ok Peter
[02:09] <puzzledm> if you have a seperate hard drive install on to that then transfer your info over
[02:10] <puzzledm> my startup seems to stall on setting the clock to ntp.ubuntu something and network config
[02:10] <scizzo> popey: dpkg -l | grep menu
[02:10] <popey> puzzledm, does it have a net connection?
[02:10] <scizzo> popey: do you have a package called menu there?
[02:10] <cavediver> I need help encoding my dvd video_ts fils to xvid.
[02:10] <puzzledm> yes it does
[02:10] <popey> scizzo, yes, menu is installed
[02:11] <scizzo> popey: then that is what is creating the debian menu
[02:11] <popey> its not just the debian menu though, the rest of the gnome menu looks screwy
[02:12] <popey> like, under applications it has listed all the screensavers, individually!
[02:12] <Bandit> yep same as mine
[02:13] <popey> ok, so its not just me then :D
[02:14] <Guardiann> :) nope said that allready
[02:14] <popey> Guardiann, :) yeah but a stat of 3 people is more conclusive than 2 :P
[02:14] <popey> you could be the same kind of idiot as me :D
[02:15] <Guardiann> :)
[02:15] <Guardiann> probably am
[02:15] <popey> \o/
[02:15] <CreeVal> I cant seem to find k3b in applications...
[02:16] <CreeVal> Guess it's not supposed to be there since it's not a gnome prog...
[02:16] <Guardiann> CreeVal you need to run it from terminal
[02:16] <Guardiann> if you are using warty
[02:16] <CreeVal> ok... :)
[02:16] <Guardiann> also
[02:16] <Guardiann> it asks to be run under root
[02:17] <CreeVal> yeah i saw that... :)
[02:17] <Guardiann> in Hoary it shows up in spplications and doesnt need to be run in root
[02:17] <CreeVal> But hoary is not finished yet, right?
[02:17] <CreeVal> (just a beta?)
[02:18] <popey> right, i dont like this hoary experience, I'm going back to warty :D
[02:18] <CreeVal> I guess i'll switch to Hoary when it's done, but i dont think i'll do a switch now, at least not when i have my graphics working...
[02:19] <Guardiann> Hoary is working fine for me
[02:19] <CreeVal> Hmmm...
[02:19] <popey> oh it works fine, I just dont think its polished as warty yet..
[02:19] <popey> YMMV
[02:20] <Guardiann> and I was thinking it was even more polished :)
[02:21] <CreeVal> I will upgrade when the final release version becomes availible...
[02:21] <lemsx1> hopefully with usplash working ;-)
[02:21] <Guardiann> probably a smart thing if you have warty working well
[02:21] <CreeVal> :)
[02:21] <Guardiann> I am just not too smart
[02:22] <popey> :)
[02:22] <CreeVal> Lol... You have to be, i mean if you have hoary up and running... :P
[02:22] <Guardiann> yeah yeah thanks to jdub/daniels/hmmm and many many others
[02:23] <CreeVal> :)
[02:24] <CreeVal> I just stumbled uppon the solution for my graphics problem... Found this HowTo in the forums... Just pure luck i guess... :)
[02:24] <Guardiann> i installed it on another machine yesterday, which runs a small ircd server it has been rock solid now for hmmmm
[02:24] <lemsx1> this is how Ubuntu/Linux should try to be http://nedron.net:6969/torrents/jobs_NS30_demo_large.mov.torrent
[02:25] <Guardiann> Server Uptime 0 days, 20:30:39
[02:25] <CreeVal> :)
[02:25] <lemsx1> that's just for entertaintment ... that's a 14 year old video about NextSTEP
[02:25] <CreeVal> hehe
[02:26] <popey> lemsx1, yeah, its quite a nice vid
[02:26] <popey> lemsx1, have you seen the 1984mac one with jobs showing the mac for the first time?
[02:26] <_flosch> hi
[02:27] <Guardiann> hello
[02:28] <lemsx1> popey, i see the link in the same page... let me try to get it
[02:29] <lemsx1> popey, for those who want to do something with their bandwith http://nedron.net:6969/torrents/1984macintro.mov.torrent
[02:34] <cavediver> Isn't there a nice gnome program for ripping and encoding DVD's ?
[02:35] <dholbach> hai
[02:35] <EvolutionR> anyone knows how to convert VCD music to CD ? Any guide website?
[02:35] <EvolutionR> Hi
[02:35] <dholbach> does anyone know, who Jakob Schurdak is? or if he's on IRC?
[02:35] <EvolutionR> who's that?
[02:36] <geeky_bodhi> the hoary announcement says the latest live cd "features a completely redesigned system for creating Live CDs". Can anyone explain?
[02:36] <EvolutionR> where can I get help on VCD? which server/channel?
[02:36] <klaym> which distro does Linus Torvalds use?
[02:37] <geeky_bodhi> i tried looking on ubuntulinux.org but couldn't find anything that explains what's new in creating the Live CD. It still uses cloop :)
[02:38] <jdub> geeky_bodhi: the bootstrap is based on our installer, with an additional module
[02:39] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, you mean the Ubuntu installer right :) So the previous CD was based upon the Knoppix installer?
[02:39] <EvolutionR> anyone knows how to convert MTV VCD to CD....wanted to play the CD on car CD player?
[02:40] <jdub> geeky_bodhi: previous livecd was based on morphix
[02:40] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, yes yes ofcourse, my bad
[02:40] <Tomcat_> The new one rocks, exactly because it's not morphix :o
[02:41] <dholbach> EvolutionR: you think you'll get an answer if you ask every *count* 3 minutes?
[02:41] <EvolutionR> dholbach: wat u mean....I'm helping a fren!
[02:42] <EvolutionR> I try to search google ...nothing helps
[02:42] <dholbach> EvolutionR: try   apt-cache search vcd
[02:43] <EvolutionR> ok
[02:43] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, so what advantage is in having a similiar bootstrap to the distro? is hardware detection better, or just for maintainence reasons?
[02:44] <jdub> geeky_bodhi: it means there's a heck of a lot of shared code from the kernel up
[02:45] <jdub> geeky_bodhi: we use the same kernel everywhere now, on livecd, in the installer, and when installed
[02:45] <jdub> plus, the installer itself is a tiny bootstrap system
[02:46] <jdub> extensible, relatively easily modified
[02:46] <jdub> why create a whole new tiny bootstrap? :)
[02:46] <Peter> back.
[02:46] <Rytmis> where in ubuntu can you choose if the interface is ipv4 or v6?
[02:46] <Guardiann> hello peter
[02:46] <Peter> hi
[02:47] <Peter> im back on warty.
[02:47] <Peter> so i should be able to install the i386 version of ubuntu.
[02:47] <Guardiann> :)
[02:47] <Peter> and then upgrade to hoary
[02:47] <Peter> and then install the ati drivers.
[02:47] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, yes this makes sense
[02:47] <Peter> then install cedega. and it *should* all work.
[02:47] <hoerl> hi guys - changed to ubuntu within the last two days -- RESPECT to your work
[02:48] <Guardiann> sounds like fun
[02:48] <hoerl> qualitiy has a new name *g
[02:48] <jdub> geeky_bodhi: also, it is extraordinarily clever. 8)
[02:48] <Peter> how is ubuntu different to fedora and the other distros?
[02:49] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, is it?
[02:49] <lemsx1> popey, got the video. 1984Mac... nice stuff!
[02:49] <dholbach> Peter: it is overall sexy :-)
[02:49] <Peter> heh
[02:49] <hoerl> jes *g
[02:49] <popey> you can hear the geeks cheering :D
[02:49] <hoerl> overal
[02:49] <hoerl> l
[02:50] <Peter> Guardiann: and if the drivers dont work... im selling my radeon :P
[02:50] <Guardiann> :)
[02:50] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, I guess no one actually cares about this because the Knoppix derived bootstrap *just* works
[02:50] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, if they do full-distros then it's a different story
[02:50] <lemsx1> popey, yep! it's amazing!
[02:50] <hoerl> afk
[02:51] <kbrooks_> ummm
[02:51] <ubernoob> is anyone using horay?
[02:51] <Guardiann> i am
[02:51] <kbrooks_> is there any kde pdf viewer
[02:51] <ubernoob> is it very unstable?
[02:51] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, does this Live CD has a number (!)
[02:52] <geeky_bodhi> technically this isn't it Hoary right?
[02:52] <Guardiann> its listed as unstable ubernoob but its working good for me
[02:52] <kbrooks_> is there any kde pdf viewer?
[02:52] <ubernoob> i'm about to upgrade, but i can see that synaptic is marked for removal... don't you have synaptic?
[02:53] <Guardiann> yes i have it
[02:53] <kbrooks_> ubernoob, i'll check.
[02:53] <jdub> geeky_bodhi: each is dated under daily-live
[02:54] <kbrooks_> ubernoob, it isnt marked for removal here
[02:54] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, so the one on /. was just a daily-snapshot? there's no significance attached to it?
[02:55] <ubernoob> no... it is not removed... it is just switched for an xorg version instead the xfree
[02:55] <kbrooks_> they switched it yes
[02:55] <ubernoob> started to upgrade now... hope this will go fine :/
[02:56] <jdub> geeky_bodhi: it was the first major announcement of the livecd milestone
[02:56] <jdub> geeky_bodhi: we have a livecd for every arch we support now
[02:56] <kbrooks_> :O
[02:57] <kbrooks_> are you joking
[02:58] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, hmmm.... ok
[03:00] <claude> heyyaz...
[03:00] <claude> how do I get apt-get to update all my installed packages?
[03:00] <hoerl> apt-get update
[03:00] <hoerl> apt-get upgrade
[03:00] <hoerl> *g
[03:01] <xinit> how stable is hoary?
[03:01] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, so any of the GNOME mods you do go upstream as well, I mean do they become part of the standard GNOME?
[03:01] <claude> hoerl: hmm... so when warty is in there, there isn't really anythign to upgrade?
[03:01] <hoerl> nope
[03:02] <bzbb> if I wanted to delete the ntfs partition on /dev/hdb1 and replace it with a ext3, what would I do?
[03:02] <bzbb> all the data is backed up
[03:02] <jdub> geeky_bodhi: lots of fixes and changes have gone upstream, yes
[03:02] <xinit> bzbb: cfdisk /dev/hdb
[03:02] <jdub> geeky_bodhi: see the new menu structure in 2.9
[03:02] <xinit> bzbb: delete the ntfs partition and make an ext3
[03:02] <hoerl> claude, you have to set the horay mirrors in your sources.list
[03:02] <xinit> bzbb: then mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1
[03:02] <bebek> hello: does anyone know what is causing this (when i execute "sudo apt-get update") The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[03:02] <hoerl> then all your packages are updated
[03:03] <claude> hoerl, what do I need to type into sources.list?
[03:03] <hoerl> don't know the adresses just right now
[03:03] <hoerl> but look at /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:04] <hoerl> must be very similar to the warty entries - just with horay
[03:04] <claude> hoerl, looking at it :)
[03:04] <bebek> hoary :)
[03:04] <hoerl> *g
[03:04] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, yes I saw the menu structure in 2.9 (on the Live CD) and have to admit it's a lot easier to navigate (i am a KDE guy)
[03:04] <bzbb> xinit, type 83 is ext3?
[03:05] <bebek> isn't that ext2 ?
[03:05] <xinit> ext2 == ext3
[03:05] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, so that was Ubuntu's doing? hmm
[03:05] <bzbb> ok
[03:05] <xinit> from an fdisk point of view
[03:05] <xinit> ext3 == ext2 + jounal
[03:05] <Riddell> kbrooks_: kghostview is the current KDE pdf viewer, KDE 3.4 will come with an excellent version of kpdf which is lovely
[03:06] <xinit> bebek: 82 is linux swap
[03:06] <kbrooks_> Riddell, can  get kpdf
[03:06] <kbrooks_> can i get*
[03:06] <bebek> xinit: yup
[03:06] <Riddell> kbrooks_: kpdf for KDE 3.3 will be in hoary, it's not very good, kpdf 3.4 you can get from the KDE 3.4 beta which you would have to compile
[03:06] <Riddell> kbrooks_: you can get kghostview in hoary, it's perfectly good
[03:07] <hoerl> does anybody on here has a dell latitude with docking ?
[03:07] <hoerl> just a try *g
[03:08] <hoerl> have some troubles with the sound output over the docking
[03:09] <david__> Having trouble running alsaconf (for ISA) sound
[03:09] <hoerl> do you have a dell ?
[03:10] <david__> no a generic 200Mghz PC
[03:10] <hoerl> ok
[03:10] <david__> off to look for it again
[03:11] <geeky_bodhi> jdub, thanks for the tips
[03:11] <geeky_bodhi> and the bits
[03:12] <ubernoob> sound is always my problem
[03:12] <ubernoob> i cant hear sound from 2 sources at the same time
[03:12] <ubernoob> it seems like they are stacked
[03:14] <bzbb> what option do I want in the fstab so non-root can have full access to files in /mnt/media/?
[03:14] <TenPlus1> hi folks...
[03:15] <TenPlus1> Has anyone ever installed DriverLoader on Ubuntu ???
[03:15] <claude> bzbb: probably the rw option?
[03:15] <popey> bzbb, her's my one /dev/sda1       /camera vfat    user                            0       0
[03:15] <bzbb> ok
[03:17] <xvers> hey... i mistakenly deleted hosts file.. can i recover it?
[03:17] <Guardiann> popey i dont even have the sda and my camera gets picked up
[03:17] <popey> to be honest, that was on a debian box
[03:17] <popey> and i mount it as a mass storage device
[03:17] <Guardiann> ah
[03:19] <xvers> how can i recover hosts file or is there somewhere i can get the default hosts file?
[03:19] <bzbb> thanks
[03:20] <TenPlus1> How good is Ubuntu's wi-fi support ???
[03:20] <giard> TenPlus1: pretty good
[03:20] <popey> TenPlus1, I just put my wireless card in and it "Just Worked (tm)"
[03:20] <SackeR> Tenplus1, What wireless card do you have?
[03:20] <TenPlus1> popey: which card do you have....  mines is an Asus wl-138g and it doesnt work
[03:21] <popey> mine is a pcmcia orinoco
[03:21] <claude> xvers: there are plenty of hosts examples on the net, google is your friend
[03:21] <TenPlus1> I'm trying to mess around with DriverLoader to see if I can get the windows driver to work under Ubuntu...
[03:21] <david__> does anybody know where alsaconfs functionality lives on Ubuntu
[03:21] <popey> TenPlus1, have you used ndiswrapper?
[03:21] <xvers> thanks claude.. ill search again
[03:21] <TenPlus1> what's ndiswrapper ?
[03:22] <claude> TenPlus1, it's a driver wrapper that'll load windows ndis drivers i bsd/linux
[03:22] <popey> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/&e=9901
[03:22] <xerxes1358> hello
[03:22] <popey> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
[03:22] <TenPlus1> kewlness... thx for that... will give it a go :)
[03:24] <bzbb> ah, nothing like copying 29 gigabytes
[03:24] <claude> copying 30 gigabytes
[03:24] <bzbb> its slightly different
[03:24] <popey> there is.. copying 28.9 gigabytes, thats *very* like copying 29 gigabytes
[03:25] <bzbb> ext3 looks to be faster than ntfs
[03:25] <popey> at reads or writes?
[03:26] <puzzledm> you know you have a cd track that you rip and encode so you can listen to it on your computer whenever you want ....
[03:26] <SackeR> TenPlus1, In the Cards that work with Ndiswrapper the 138g is listed
[03:26] <claude> who cares, the two FS's aren't meant fot the same audience
[03:26] <puzzledm> ... can you do the same with dvds?
[03:26] <bzbb> well, when I copied 29 gigs from ntfs to ext3 it averaged about 5 MB/s
[03:26] <puzzledm> I have simpsons episodes on DVD that I want to have as a file on my computer to watch whenever I want what would you suggest
[03:26] <bzbb> going from ext3 to ext3, its averaging between 7 and 10
[03:27] <popey> bzbb, same/different disk? same/different controller? there's a few variables in there..
[03:28] <bzbb> the same 2 disks
[03:28] <puzzledm> anyone?
[03:28] <bzbb> the disk that was NTFS is now ext3
[03:30] <Rytmis> it could be the ntfs driver though
[03:32] <bzbb> it feels good to have all those files on a proper FS
[03:32] <bzbb> this completes my migration from windows
[03:32] <ndazza> hi! i've just installed warty on a dell laptop and am now trying to get an external cd burner working with it. I can play audio CDs on it but nothing else... would re-installing with the burner plugged in and switched on solve this problem? I have no problems doing this at this stage
[03:32] <claude> ntfs is a pretty good FS methinks. it's very rare to have FS fuckups these days.
[03:33] <xerxes1358> guys I read somethign about ubuntu last time: that it had a project which made stuff easy to recognize: like usb sticks etc.. I wonder where can I get more info on that ?
[03:35] <popey> ndazza, what do you mean by "nothing else"?
[03:35] <popey> ndazza, have you tried cdrecord or k3b?
[03:36] <ndazza> popey, nothing else: only audio cds are recognised and dealt with. data cds aren't mounted. is k3b on the installation cd? the laptop doesn't have internet access...
[03:36] <website> hi to all
[03:36] <scizzo> daniels: there?
[03:36] <popey> ndazza, no i dont think it is
[03:37] <website> can i say to myself that "ubuntu is debian for desktops?"
[03:37] <popey> ndazza, so if you put a data cd in and mount it what happens?
[03:37] <Boohbah> so why is ubuntu better than debian?
[03:38] <no0tic> brb
[03:39] <ndazza> popey, If i put a data cd in nothing happens. I can't mount it using the GUI as the drive is not visible in nautilus. I don't know what device the external drive is so i can't mount it from the command line... I would rather have everything integrated into the gui as this system is for a linux newbie. Do you think a reinstall (with device on) would provide this?
[03:39] <popey> no
[03:39] <popey> brb
[03:39] <Lupastro> hi!
[03:39] <ndazza> what device does an external cd drive appear as?
[03:40] <Lupastro> I need help! I have a toshiba m30 laptop with 15,4' screen. Windows Resolution is 1280x800, but in any linux I'va had the possibility to configure it that way. Can I make it with my brand new installed ubuntu??
[03:41] <website> hwo to help in ubuntu linux distribution?
[03:43] <Boohbah> website: what?
[03:43] <superted> website: check the page
[03:43] <website> superted, i'm looking it on google
[03:44] <website> going to install ubuntu, see you
[03:44] <spiritz> Does any here know if there's a command to show current disk reading/writting speed or something like that?
[03:44] <larson9999> good morning. how stable is hoary?
[03:45] <LinuxJones> spiritz, hdparm -tT /dev/hdx
[03:45] <spiritz> pretty stable
[03:45] <larson9999> spiritz is it a noticable improvement yet?
[03:46] <Boohbah> why is ubuntu better than debian?
[03:46] <ndazza> Boohbah, better installer for starters...
[03:46] <Cyberjames> because its latest have some development
[03:46] <larson9999> boohbah the best distro is the one you like best
[03:46] <spiritz> LinuxJones: No, I don't want to test the speed, I'm looking for a command to see how much it is currently being used. For instance, my HDD led keeps blinking, I'd like to know what's going on.
[03:46] <NanoTek> The question is : Why Debian is worse than Ubuntu ? :p
[03:46] <Boohbah> larson9999: i know, i'm just asking why you people like to use it
[03:47] <NanoTek> Boohbah, because we like it
[03:47] <LinuxJones> spiritz, you mena like swap space ?
[03:47] <NanoTek> just a question of fillinf
[03:47] <spiritz> larson9999: it's been a while since I'm using can't remember what was warty like... With hoary you get latest softwares updates
[03:47] <Cyberjames> question, why linux is the best than on unix? :P
[03:47] <Boohbah> NanoTek: i am wondering WHY you like it
[03:47] <spiritz> larson9999: there's only securty upgrade added to warty now i think
[03:48] <NanoTek> Boohbah, don't know i can easily use it and its utilisation is transparent
[03:48] <larson9999> boohbah for me, it detected my hw, and with debian i couldn't get several things install using debian...but i'm just a dumb windoze convert.
[03:48] <Boohbah> it uses apt like debian?
[03:48] <larson9999> yeah
[03:48] <spiritz> LinuxJones: No, not swap space neither :) For instance on Windows, there's a tool that shows how much a process has been reading/writting from the harddrive. Thus I can monitor thoses number and find out which process is using the harddrive for writting/reading data.
[03:48] <DAPDAPDAP> Hi there, I have a question about the live version for PPC
[03:48] <Boohbah> does it come on a livecd like knoppix?
[03:49] <LinuxJones> spiritz, oh you might want to check out the lsof man page
[03:49] <DAPDAPDAP> Anyone know how I can get my mac to boot from CD?
[03:49] <larson9999> spiritz i'll switch to hoary then
[03:49] <Guardiann> Boohbah for me it has been it seems the quickest distro i have used
[03:49] <ndazza> how can i tell if i'm using hoary or warty?
[03:49] <spiritz> larson9999: you should, moreover switching is pretty easy
[03:49] <spiritz> LinuxJones: ok, thanks for the tip
[03:50] <larson9999> boohbah, yeah, actually the livecd worked better for me than knoppix or mandrake's that's why i tried ubuntu on one of my boxes. so far it's ok but i'm only on the 2nd day
[03:50] <Boohbah> Guardiann: quickest to install?
[03:50] <Guardiann> quickets running, most responsive
[03:50] <Guardiann> quickest even
[03:51] <Boohbah> Guardiann: which kernel are you using? does ubuntu distribute kernel patches?
[03:51] <ecio> hi i've installed some codecs on my ubuntu hoary but i notice a strange behaviour: with totem it plays audio and video but video is not fluid, while with wxvlc the video is ok but there's no sound :/
[03:51] <Guardiann> 2.6.10
[03:51] <Boohbah> larson9999: now that is cool. i think knoppix is a pretty good livecd, so if ubuntu is better it would make a good livecd for me
[03:52] <Boohbah> Guardiann: vanilla?
[03:52] <larson9999> boohbah well it was better for me
[03:52] <Guardiann> it is installed with hoary
[03:53] <administrador> hey guys, just a stupid question... is hoary like debian/testing and wart like debian/stable? I am installing ubuntu for a friend and don't know which one to track...
[03:53] <Boohbah> DAPDAPDAP: i don't have a mac handy but i would imagine it has a CMOS setup program in the BIOS...
[03:53] <cardador> administrador: hoary - unstable
[03:54] <Boohbah> so is the hoary kernel vanilla 2.6.10 or using some patches?
[03:54] <ndazza> what command will tell me if i'm running hoary or warty? i've just installed and i'm running kernel 2.6.8, is that the default warty kernel?
[03:54] <DAPDAPDAP> Boohbah, have no idea how to get into the bios on Macs... Doesn't give you a key combination to press on startup like most PCs do!
[03:55] <LinuxJones> ndazza, if you jsut installed your runnign Warty
[03:55] <Boohbah> DAPDAPDAP: i don't really know how to access the BIOS on a mac either...
[03:55] <Boohbah> DAPDAPDAP: ask these guys: #gentoo-ppc
[03:55] <DAPDAPDAP> Ok, thanks anyway, I'll keep searching. I figure there is somewhere inside OSX itself that you can set it up. The answer will be out there somewhere...
[03:56] <bretzel> Guardian: Hi :-) ---> Can you tell how is it safe to upgrade from Warty to Hoary ? I know Randabis did install or upgrade ( can't remember )
[03:56] <DAPDAPDAP> Thanks Boohbah!
[03:56] <ubernoob> ndazza: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:56] <giard> here's a crazy question: I know ndis-wrapper is evil and everything.  but has anyone tried to make the equivalent for doing video?
[03:56] <Guardiann> i did an upgrade from warty
[03:57] <bretzel> Guardian: I would like to upgrade me too... Need some advice on where we have to work...
[03:57] <ecio> i installed hoary because with warty i got errors on X installing it and gui was not working... hoary is ok
[03:57] <spiritz> Does any one know a way to use to screen tool DETACH then RESTORE (-r) mode for X windows?
[03:58] <bretzel> Is there a guide to the process of Warty to Hoary ?
[03:58] <Guardiann> bretzel change all the "warty's" in your sources to hoary
[03:58] <ecio> bretzel i suppose editing /etc/apt/sources.list and changing warty to hoary
[03:58] <spiritz> yep
[03:58] <ecio> then do a apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:58] <Guardiann> then apt-get update   and apt-get upgrade
[03:58] <spiritz> :)
[03:59] <Guardiann> yep dist-upgrade
[03:59] <jcoxon77> DAPDAPDAP: if you are still here, hold down "c" while you boot and it will boot off the cd
[03:59] <DAPDAPDAP> Brilliant!
[03:59] <DAPDAPDAP> Thanks, jcoxon77
[03:59] <bretzel> Guardian , ecio: Yes, thanks that's it :-) Pray for me ....
[03:59] <Guardiann> :)
[03:59] <xinit> how do I get to my mixer from oss apps
[03:59] <xinit> ?
[03:59] <ecio> any idea about my xvid decoding problem with totem?
[04:00] <ecio> i cant believe my 2.4ghz laptop is not powerful enough :F
[04:00] <Guardiann> pwerfull enough to ??
[04:00] <LinuxJones> ecio, fast enough for what ?
[04:00] <ecio> playing xvid without glitches
[04:00] <ecio> its not smooth with totem
[04:01] <ecio> but the video is ok when played with wxvlc
[04:01] <LinuxJones> ecio, hdparm /dev/hda
[04:01] <xskoulax> ram perhaps, hd speed?
[04:01] <ecio> but wxvlc doesnt reproduce auto
[04:01] <ecio> err s/auto/audio
[04:01] <LinuxJones> ecio, check to see if your drive has dma turned on
[04:01] <spiritz> you should maybe configure xvid to use another audio/video renderer
[04:01] <ndazza> LinuxJones, thanks
[04:01] <ecio> spiritz: i've navigated on the menu but havent found any options (like the one i have on ffshow on windows)
[04:01] <ndazza> ubernoob, ta that's what i was after
[04:02] <popey> ndazza, on my machine a scsi device /dev/sda1, which i mount as /camera or /mp3player or whatever
[04:02] <popey> ndazza, add an entry for it in /etc/fstab and you can get it to automount too if you want to make it really easy for the user
[04:02] <ecio> linuxjones what kind o params should i use with hdparm?
[04:03] <LinuxJones> ecio, dma support is probalby not turned on your system. Run that command to verify
[04:03] <bretzel> Gaurdiann, ecio: ...And once warty replaced by hoary, update apt-get and then in Synaptic do what exactly ?
[04:03] <spiritz> ecio: on mine it's this way : right bouton on video/settings/setup/video/:video driver to use.
[04:03] <ecio> spiritz: what sw are you talkin about? wxvlc? ot totem?
[04:04] <ubernoob> ndazza: np
[04:04] <ndazza> popey, yeah thanks i just figured it out. device i was looking for was /dev/sr0 (found using device manager). manually added /media/cdrw0 then a symlink cdrw -> cdrw0 then added fstab entry, worked perfectly for everything immediately
[04:04] <popey> :)
[04:04] <popey> good
[04:04] <ndazza> thanks for your help
[04:04] <spiritz> ecio: xine sorry
[04:04] <ecio> breztel: apt-get and synaptic do the same job, if you use apt-get commands you wont need to do anything else on synaptic (afaik)
[04:04] <ecio> spir ok :)
[04:04] <Guardiann> bretzel just apt-update  and apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:05] <Guardiann> damm i am slow
[04:05] <Guardiann> :)
[04:05] <larson9999> updating to hoary now
[04:05] <ecio> linuxjones: using_dma    =  1 (on)
[04:05] <ubernoob> How to upgrade from Warty Warthog to Hoary Hedgehog (Beta):  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#upgradewartytohoary
[04:05] <Peter> is there a reomended speed for burning the ubuntu installation cd?
[04:05] <larson9999> hope it treats me better than mandrake cooker does.
[04:05] <superted> Peter: a speed your burner supports
[04:05] <spiritz> larson9999:  it will, dont worry
[04:05] <bretzel> Guardiann: Ah! thank you : dist-upgrade that is what I was asking :-) Ecio, Guardiann, thanx and whish me luck :-)
[04:06] <LinuxJones> ecio, how much ram do you have ?
[04:06] <larson9999> peter i burned mine at 48x and had no problems.
[04:06] <ecio> linux: 512 - videoram (16or32 dont remember)
[04:06] <ecio> so.. enough
[04:06] <ecio> but as i said before, wxvlc video playback is smooth
[04:06] <bretzel> ciao, cyou later if I survive :-)
[04:06] <LinuxJones> ecio, you outta be easily able to play video with that system :(
[04:06] <ecio> totem's playback not :)
[04:06] <spiritz> ecio: you should try another player, for instance mplayer
[04:07] <ecio> linux i do think there's something wrong in the codecs
[04:07] <ecio> spiritz: i tried it, it hangs loading the video file ;/
[04:07] <spiritz> ecio: what is the error?
[04:07] <Peter> wtf
[04:07] <Peter> it still wont let me burn it
[04:08] <ecio> spiritz: no error, just blocked
[04:08] <spiritz> ecio: in a console, type mplayer xxx.avi you'll see the error... it might help you find out what's wrong with ur computer
[04:09] <ecio> spir: ok... but i need to re-install it....
[04:09] <spiritz> ecio: install xine while you're at it
[04:10] <Boohbah> ecio: does you irc client have nick tab completion?
[04:10] <ecio> Boohbah, yes but i dont use it too much :)
[04:10] <Boohbah> hehe ;)
[04:10] <Guardiann> peter you still cant burn?
[04:10] <Peter> nope
[04:10] <Peter> :/
[04:11] <Guardiann> with k3b?
[04:11] <eddie303> I have my firewall configured with FireStarter, but it messes up all active terminals with logging, how can I solve this?
[04:11] <Peter> no, with natilus.
[04:11] <Boohbah> Peter: what distro are you using now?
[04:11] <Peter> im trying to burn it with 'cdrecord' too.
[04:11] <Peter> ubuntu warty
[04:11] <Guardiann> ah ok
[04:11] <ecio> spiritz, can i install gxine?
[04:11] <Boohbah> Peter: i was having problems with 2.6.10 and cdrecord, i use gentoo
[04:12] <Peter> whats the command to display your kernel version?
[04:12] <Boohbah> warty uses 2.6.8 kernel?
[04:12] <claude> uname -a
[04:12] <Boohbah> uname -a
[04:12] <Peter> hmm
[04:12] <Peter> Linux ubuntu 2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic #1 Tue Oct 12 11:40:38 UTC 2004 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:12] <claude> should give you all info
[04:12] <Boohbah> uname -r
[04:13] <Boohbah> is just the version
[04:13] <ecio> i have 2.6.10-2-i386, is it worth a recompile in order to have a i686 kernel?
[04:13] <Peter> 2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic
[04:13] <Peter> time to upgrade i guess?
[04:13] <LinuxJones> ecio, there are pre-built i686 kernels available
[04:13] <Guardiann> :)
[04:13] <Boohbah> ecio: i would... that is pretty unoptimized, built with i386 flags
[04:14] <ecio> linux but recompiling i could choose only with i need
[04:14] <Boohbah> ecio: oh, i like to compile ;)
[04:14] <ecio> i.e. im running on a laptop, dont need raid or smp
[04:14] <Peter> has anyone used cdrecord?
[04:14] <LinuxJones> ecio, apt-get install linux-image-686, reboot
[04:14] <Boohbah> Peter: yes
[04:14] <ecio> Boohbah, so go for gentoo, you'll have enough fun for your days (and your nights :D)
[04:15] <Boohbah> ecio: i have been a gentoo user for three years ;)
[04:15] <Boohbah> and i still haven't found anything that i like more
[04:15] <Peter> Boohbah: how do you tell it which drive to use?
[04:16] <Boohbah> i used redhat and slack before that
[04:16] <no0tic> brb
[04:16] <Boohbah> Peter: first, you read the manual... 'man cdrecord'
[04:16] <Peter> hehe
[04:16] <ecio> Boohbah, i tried vidalinux and it looked quite minimalist but fast.... the fact is that it didnt detect my audioboard and my wifi so i tried ubuntu :)
[04:16] <llun_ved> Boohbah, I use both Slackware and Ubuntu
[04:17] <eddie303> I have my firewall configured with FireStarter, but it messes up all active terminals with logging, how can I get rid of log messages on the active console?
[04:17] <Boohbah> Peter: try 'cdrecord -dev=ATAPI -scanbus'
[04:17] <ecio> as soon as i saw the ubuntu installer finding and using my ornico i thought "ok, this distro would last  on my laptop for more than 1day" :D
[04:17] <shadow^NINCS> somebody knows how to boot ubuntu live cd from image file... how do i do that
[04:17] <shadow^NINCS> ??
[04:17] <Boohbah> shadow^m: mount it as an iso filesystem
[04:18] <ecio> Boohbah, but then you cant boot it
[04:18] <no0tic> where is email check applet in hoary? I can't find it...
[04:18] <ecio> you can boot it on vmware or similar sw
[04:18] <Boohbah> shadow^m: you want to run it in an emulator, like vmware?
[04:18] <Boohbah> ecio: so the hw detection is better than knoppix?
[04:18] <ecio> with vmware on windows, you dont need to mount the iso, just configure vmware in order to use it
[04:19] <ecio> Boohbah, where? shouldnt ubuntu use the same knoppix approach?
[04:19] <Boohbah> gentoo livecds have always been kinda flakey... but they're using a new livecd building tool called catalyst
[04:19] <shadow^m> i have a live cd but my cdrom is slow and i read that it can boot from an imagefile to...
[04:19] <shadow^m> so what do i have to do
[04:19] <shadow^m> ?
[04:20] <Peter> where is the config file which lists your drives?
[04:20] <giard> anyone know why ubuntu doesn't use gstereamer-ffmpeg?
[04:20] <defile>  /etc/fstab
[04:20] <Boohbah> shadow^m: well... where did you read that?
[04:20] <Dr_willis> yea - Ubuntu Install just may of killed my windows install. *sigh*
[04:20] <Peter> would fdisk -l show optical drives too?
[04:21] <Dr_willis> got windows on a SATA Raid. and Linux on a IDE drive. aparently grub is confused.
[04:21] <Boohbah> Dr_willis: did it overwrite the master bood record?
[04:21] <shadow^m> at boot
[04:21] <eddie303> shadow^m, priv pls.
[04:21] <Dr_willis> Boohbah, its stoping at grub .
[04:21] <Dr_willis> Hmm
[04:21] <ecio> spiritz, i tried with xine, video is ok (like in wxvlc) (using ffdshow) ma no sound as in wxvlc :(
[04:21] <Boohbah> Dr_willis: sounds like a grub.conf error
[04:21] <Dr_willis> not sure what to do with it now. Lol.
[04:22] <Dr_willis> i want to be able to dual boot the thing. but its not even going to the full grub menu
[04:22] <Peter> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[04:22] <Dr_willis> Grub Loading Please wait... Press Esc to enter the Meny .. 2.
[04:22] <Peter> does that look about right for an ide cd writer?
[04:22] <ndazza> Peter, fine for a cd reader...
[04:22] <Dr_willis> esc - does nothing. :(
[04:23] <Peter> ndazza: would it need to be different for a writer?
[04:23] <claude> ro to rw
[04:23] <Peter> !!
[04:23] <Dr_willis> this is an amd64 system also.. but i dident use the amd64 ubuntu.
[04:23] <ndazza> Peter, optical drives under linux are generally treated as scsi drives
[04:23] <Dr_willis> if there is one. :P
[04:23] <Peter> ndazza: ahhh.
[04:24] <ndazza> Peter, try adding a parameter to the boot time parameters, something like hdd=ide-scsi
[04:24] <Peter> so just swap ro to rw, and it should be right?
[04:24] <ndazza> i don't know how to do that with grub tho, i'm a lilo user...
[04:24] <ndazza> any grub experts know how to do that?
[04:24] <darksatanic> Peter: Actaully, that's not entirely true. The IDE/SCSI layer for optical drives is deprecated with 2.6 kernels.
[04:24] <darksatanic> ndazza: It shouldn't be necessary with a 2.6 kernel.
[04:26] <darksatanic> Peter: The fstab line you pasted a couple of minutes ago is fine for a CD/DVD writer.
[04:26] <ndazza> darksatanic, so dev=/dev/hdd to cdrecord?
[04:26] <darksatanic> ndazza: Yes.
[04:26] <ndazza> ya learn something new every day...
[04:27] <darksatanic> cdrecord will complain about it being "unintentional", but it works perfectly (and is, indeed, the RIght Thing to do)
[04:27] <Peter> but natilus doesnt see the blank cds in the drive, and cdrecord doesnt recognize the drive :/
[04:27] <darksatanic> Hmm. OK. That's a problem. :(
[04:27] <darksatanic> What does cdrecord say?
[04:27] <ndazza> Peter, are you sure hdd is the opdical drive?
[04:27] <ndazza> -d+t
[04:27] <darksatanic> Good question. :)
[04:27] <Peter> not entirely.
[04:27] <ndazza> use the device manager to find out!
[04:28] <Peter> yeah
[04:28] <Peter> block.device = /dev/hdd
[04:28] <darksatanic> Or "cat /proc/ide/hdd/media" at a command prompt.
[04:28] <rjw> is beagle getting into hoary universe this weekend?
[04:30] <Peter> ndazza: yeah, it must be hdd.
[04:31] <ndazza> ok, back to darksatanic's question, what does cdrecord say? :D
[04:32] <ecio> how can i check if X is using an accelerated driver for my intel videocard?
[04:32] <Peter> scsidev: '1,5,0'
[04:32] <Peter> scsibus: 1 target: 5 lun: 0
[04:32] <Peter> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[04:32] <Peter> cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make sure you are root.
[04:32] <Peter> cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'.
[04:32] <Peter> cdrecord:
[04:32] <Peter> cdrecord: For more information, install the cdrtools-doc
[04:32] <marcin_ant> hello - any gnome-terminal user here?
[04:32] <Peter> cdrecord: package and read /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup
[04:32] <darksatanic> Are you using dev=/dev/hdd as a parameter to cdrecord?
[04:32] <ndazza> ... in future paste to # flood
[04:33] <Peter> sorry
[04:34] <Peter> darksatanic: ok, it seems to see it now. weird.
[04:34] <Peter> i'll burn a test file to see if it actually work.s
[04:34] <darksatanic> :)
[04:34] <Peter> can you simply select an iso file and it'll burn it automagiclly?
[04:35] <darksatanic> I understand Nautilus should be able to do that, but I'm not a Nautilus user, so I can't say more than that, I'm afraid
[04:35] <Peter> im not using nautlius? im using 'cdrecord'
[04:36] <darksatanic> Well, you'd select the image in Nautilus, surely?
[04:37] <darksatanic> cdrecord is just a command-line tool. Most things use cdrecord to write CDs and DVDs behind the scenes.
[04:38] <Timbo> is there a gnome cd burning package that is equivalent in functionality to k3b?
[04:38] <lupus_> nope
[04:38] <darksatanic> Doesn't gtoaster do that? It wasn't in Ubuntu last I checked, but...
[04:38] <pw> xcdroast is closest, but that's GTK1
[04:39] <rjw> Timbo, no. Coaster aims to be, but it is still pretty unstable.
[04:39] <defile> lupus_ is the closest to being correct on that ;-)
[04:39] <Timbo> :|
[04:40] <christian> has anybody figured out how to get vncserver working right under ubuntu?
[04:40] <lupus_> timbo warty?
[04:40] <lupus_> or hoary?
[04:40] <rjw> I'm surprised the gstreamer guys haven't tried to showcase it with some kind of audiocd/vcd/dvd authoring thing (automating conversions)...
[04:40] <Timbo> er, just upgrading to hoary on my laptop
[04:40] <Timbo> i'm a long time debian user and i figured i'd give it a whirl
[04:41] <lupus_> you can try coaster but then you have to compile it your serlf
[04:41] <Timbo> hmm, coaster isn't on freshmeat
[04:41] <lupus_> together with gtkmm 2.5.x and glibmm 2.5.x
[04:41] <lupus_> sourceforge
[04:41] <Timbo> ok
[04:41] <lupus_> sf.net :)
[04:42] <colom> one problem:I installed the w32codecs,but still couldn't play avi file using Totem.
[04:42] <lupus_> the rest of the building dependencies you can just apt-get
[04:42] <Peter> whoa.
[04:42] <lupus_> colom, use mplayer :)
[04:42] <Peter> it appears to be burning
[04:42] <ecio> colom apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[04:42] <Guardiann> colom the w32codecs are not for avis
[04:42] <colom> Ok,I will try
[04:42] <lupus_> avi is just a container?
[04:43] <lupus_> or am I mistaking :)
[04:43] <ecio> lupus yes it is
[04:43] <Timbo> lupus_: yup
[04:43] <lupus_> I see ffmpeg is working on wmp support
[04:44] <ecio> i still see totem not smooth on playback, wxvlc smooth but no audio, xine like wxvlc
[04:44] <lupus_> (Jan 24, 2005) Eagle-eyed observers may have noticed the recent CVS addition of a VC-9 decoding implementation. It is still highly experimental but should eventually serve as a basis for decoding Microsoft VC-1/VC-9/WMV3/WMV9 video data.
[04:44] <mon> hi, i just made a custom kernel, but now services appear not to be starting, i can't login through gdm anymore, only have 1 terminal and some more weird stuff happens... did i forget something?
[04:44] <ecio> mplayer i cant install it (and that's pretty strange i installed it some hours ago)
[04:44] <lupus_> nice :D
[04:44] <lupus_> again a lot of patent issues :p
[04:44] <_4strO> ecio> i installed it but never can play a movie
[04:45] <Dr_willis> argh! We dont need no Stinking Patents!
[04:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:45] <Dr_willis> is it ok to install it - btut never use it? :P
[04:45] <lupus_> bwa
[04:45] <ecio> _4strO, i have this avi that should be xvid on the video and mp3 on the audio, so quite common :/
[04:45] <lupus_> I find it normal that you have to pay for using mpeg4 etc
[04:45] <ecio> lupus ?
[04:46] <christian> can anybody help me getting vncserver running under warty?  I need more than remote desktop using vino
[04:46] <rubenv> lupus_: aw go away
[04:46] <lupus_> hehe :)
[04:46] <rubenv> look at ogg & theora
[04:46] <rubenv> free software & kick ass
[04:46] <rubenv> we don't need to license crap
[04:47] <occy> Is it possible to make backups of your DVD's under Linux?
[04:47] <darksatanic> Be interesting to see what happens to Dirac, too.
[04:47] <ecio> christian have u tried: desktop->preferences->remotedesktop
[04:47] <rubenv> btw: long time no see lupus_ :)
[04:47] <MyKq3> does any one here knows when the next version of FireFox will b reales?
[04:47] <christian> yes, but that only works for the current gui session
[04:47] <ecio> occy it should, but i've never tried, im new :)
[04:47] <lupus_> euhm it's not lupus of mono project :)
[04:47] <occy> ecio: heh
[04:47] <christian> with vnc I can start multiple gui sessions
[04:47] <christian> with vino i can only use the current session.
[04:47] <Dr_willis> i think part of the issue with dvd backup is the size of the dvd vs the size of burnable dvd disks
[04:47] <rubenv> lupusBE: there's a lupus in the mono project? :)
[04:47] <ecio> christian mmm what about searchin for "vnc" on synaptic?
[04:47] <lupusBE> yes :)
[04:48] <lupusBE> that's why I put the BE behind my nick :)
[04:48] <christian> i have installed vnc using synaptic, and when i start vncserver. the screen is grey.
[04:48] <ecio> uh
[04:48] <christian> it does not allow me to start a new gui session.
[04:48] <lupusBE> he's an Italian I think :)(
[04:48] <lupusBE> I'm BElgium :)
[04:48] <Dr_willis> christian,  may want to edit the vncserver script. or the vnc defaults to point to a default window manager..
[04:48] <ndazza> occy, home-made dvds? sure! just use k3b to create a copy
[04:48] <Dr_willis> actually it may be defaulting to 'twm'
[04:49] <occy> ndazza: You can use k3b to backup (make copies) of your existing store bought DVD's?
[04:49] <christian> i have tried multiple times...i've changed some of the vnc.conf in /etc, so that it will start the xstartup
[04:49] <xskoulax> MyKq3, http://www.betanews.com/article/Developer_Firefox_11_to_be_Delayed/1107012284
[04:49] <mon> christian: i know the problem from Sarge. i think this is worth a bugreport
[04:49] <ndazza> store-bought? no. css encryption defeats that...
[04:49] <kent> people, on the hardwaresupport section of the wiki, I added a page for webcameras. Can some one check it and tell me if i did the right thing? I think I did the right thing, but I can remove it if it was wrong of me.  :)
[04:49] <lupusBE> does anyone know if hald can detect if a empty cdr is 800mb or other?
[04:49] <ecio> christian: maybe it's pointing to a wrong session (:0 :1 etc..=)
[04:49] <MyKq3> thanks xskoulax :)))
[04:49] <lupusBE> nice kent  :)
[04:50] <LinuxJones> occy, can you use dd ?
[04:50] <ndazza> search sourceforge for a program called dvdbackup...
[04:50] <christian> it says it will start a session on :1, but gnome won't start.  i can get the xstartup file to run and run a terminal
[04:50] <xskoulax> bah 08:50 time for bed ;p
[04:50] <ndazza> you will need libdvdcss installed
[04:50] <occy> LinuxJones: dd if=foo of=foo ?
[04:50] <ndazza> *freshmeat, not sourceforge
[04:50] <christian> but i think it says that i don't have permission to start another gui session.  i guess its something with X
[04:50] <Dr_willis> ecio,  hes right. i just fired up tightvnc - its not running any window manager/session
[04:50] <christian> i've read something about creating cookies but i'm not sure
[04:51] <ndazza> occy, no, that would overwrite the input file... and it still won't defeat css encryption
[04:51] <ecio> Dr_willis, oook :)
[04:51] <scaroo> hi ppl ! does any of you succeeded using your ipod within rhythmbox under hoary ??
[04:51] <Dr_willis> looking at the vnc logs now
[04:51] <christian> you have to edit /etc/vnc.conf if you want it to run ~/.vnc/xstartup
[04:51] <christian> okay...i appreciate the help :)
[04:51] <occy> :/
[04:51] <ecio> scaroo: i've seen the new ipod icon but i have no ipod to test it with :/
[04:52] <ndazza> occy, if that were always true, nothing would ever become commonly known
[04:52] <scaroo> ecio, same here, got the icon, but the list remains empty when i plug the device
[04:52] <occy> ndazza: heh
[04:52] <scaroo> which is mounted by GVM
[04:52] <snarky> hey all
[04:52] <scaroo> (an icon appear on the desktop and i can use it with gtkpod)
[04:52] <occy> ndazza: let me restate that.... "If it's not commonly known, then it probably isn't easy to do under Linux"
[04:52] <Dr_willis> on reading of the vncserver script (yes its just a fancy script) its looking in 2 places forits config files.. i'd say copy the /etc/vnc.conf to ~/.vncrc
[04:53] <Dr_willis> and then start twiddling :P
[04:53] <snarky> how do i get _just_ xorg from hoary?
[04:53] <ecio> is there a good "commander" clone for gnome? (i use total commander on windows)
[04:53] <Dr_willis> ecio,  you mean a 2 pane file manager? :P thers 'mc' 'worker' and 'gentoo'
[04:54] <Dr_willis> I can rember 2 pane file managers befor 'nortons comander' even existed.
[04:54] <ecio> dr_willis yes 2 pane with compressed file support etc..
[04:54] <Dr_willis> ecio,  thats 'mc' :P
[04:54] <Dr_willis> mc is so handy. "midnight commander"
[04:54] <ecio> dr: ok but it's consol-ish :)
[04:54] <umarmung> ecio, have a look at gnome-commander
[04:54] <scaroo>  ecio : mc rules here, but it is libcurse only
[04:54] <Dr_willis> ecio,  thats a GOOD thing
[04:55] <Dr_willis> :P
[04:55] <ecio> Dr_willis, ehehe ok but i wanted something uhm .. integrated :)
[04:55] <Xenguy> Dr_willis: try 'krusader' if you can
[04:55] <ecio> ciao alessio :)
[04:56] <Alessio> ciao :D
[04:56] <Dr_willis> Xenguy,  yes i think i used tha talso.
[04:56] <marcin_ant> is beagle installable/buildable (from cvs) on hoary?
[04:56] <Dr_willis> I'm from the AMIGA branch of the computer world. :) I like DIrectoryOpus style clones. "worker" and "gentoo" fit that catagory
[04:56] <Xenguy> ecio: that was meant for you (what I sent to Dr_willis )
[04:56] <Xenguy> Dr_willis: meant for ecio I think
[04:56] <ecio> Xenguy, but isnt krusader kde.oriented?
[04:57] <scaroo> ecio : avoid bab word here ;)
[04:57] <occy> what's my current display...    (default display?)  need to export it.   export DISPLAY="0:1"  ???
[04:57] <Xenguy> ecio: yeah, but you don't have to install KDE to run it
[04:57] <scaroo> *bad
[04:57] <occy> I can never remember that.
[04:57] <ecio> scaroo,  he started :D
[04:57] <ecio> xen: but i need tons of its libs :)
[04:58] <Xenguy> ecio: Right now I'm on a debian box that runs neither GNOME or KDE, yet I run whatever apps I want -- why would I limit myself to not running certain apps just because of libraries?
[04:59] <Xenguy> ecio: OTOH, if you want something more light-weight, I still use and enjoy 'EmelFM'
[04:59] <scaroo> Xenguy, disk space, consistency, meory usage ...
[04:59] <Xenguy> scaroo: nod
[05:00] <scaroo> nod ? what s the meaning ?
[05:00] <ecio> Xenguy, ok i tried xfce and something else, but i think that tryin to use (if available) apps that are studied for your desktop is better
[05:00] <ecio> i dont want to install qt and so on, just to use xyz filemanager, when i have a slightly equivalent gnome solution
[05:01] <Xenguy> ecio: there is no need to limit yourself in that way IMO.  Run whatever app you want, regardless of your particular WM or DM
[05:01] <Xenguy> scaroo: nod (bob head up and down when saying "yes" for example)
[05:01] <spiritz> Does any one know a way to use to screen tool DETACH then RESTORE (-r) mode for X windows?
[05:01] <scaroo> and dont forget the gnomevfs part : it is cool to know taht whatever nautilus can access, all your beloved gnomes apps can too
[05:01] <stuNNed> hi, how goes it ubuntoolios?
[05:02] <Xenguy> spiritz: sounds like VNC ;-)
[05:02] <Dr_willis> Xenguy,  sounds exactly like vnc. :P
[05:03] <Dr_willis> vnc seems to need some tweaking under ubuntu
[05:03] <Dr_willis> well wait a sec..  i used the 'tightvnc' packages...
[05:03] <Dr_willis> hmm.. i was thinking i had vnc working fine the other day.
[05:04] <Xenguy> Dr_willis: It's been a long time since I vnc'd into a linux box -- I use 'screen' every day tho ;-)
[05:04] <robertj> NVRM: ACPI: device not initialized!, I suppose a lot of people have seen that one eh?
[05:04] <Dr_willis> Xenguy,  heh - i tend to vnc to the pc's downstairs allthe time
[05:05] <Dr_willis> VNC i too handy to not use on a network  :P
[05:05] <Dr_willis> i can even spy on the kids
[05:05] <Xenguy> Dr_willis: hahah
[05:05] <ecio> Dr_willis, you're unfair :)
[05:05] <ecio> let the kids play :)
[05:05] <Dr_willis> much better then being Scrunched into their room trying to 'fix' their pc also...
[05:05] <ecio> (and firewall them badly :D)
[05:06] <Dr_willis> or squating next to the wifes pc as she smokes.. and wants to 'see' what i am doing to fix her pc..
[05:06] <Dr_willis> let her watch me over vnc..
[05:06] <netmonk> anyone using pptp with under ubuntu?
[05:06] <ecio> when i start my system i see a msg that sounds like  "MP Bios bug! contact your vendor.... disabling SMP"
[05:06] <ecio> any idea about it?
[05:06] <mon> i changed my kernel to a custom one, now i can't login using anymore...
[05:07] <Xenguy> Dr_willis: I've recently heard of this 'FreeNX' tool (a faster VNC I hear), but received errors trying to connect as a client from work unfortunately
[05:07] <ecio> mon havent you got the old kernel?
[05:07] <Dr_willis> Xenguy,  where theers 'vnc' 'tightvnc' and 'ultravnc' out now also - Ultra is a server for windows however.
[05:07] <ecio> ultra is the best for windows
[05:07] <Dr_willis> Ultravnc is very handy
[05:07] <mon> ecio: ofcourse, but i want this one to work as well :)
[05:08] <robertj> would the patch posted here http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=40107&page=4 make suspend work properly on nvidia cards?
[05:08] <Xenguy> Dr_willis: UV has an encryption plug-in I believe, which sounds useful
[05:08] <ecio> tight and ultra vnc use a special videodriver on the server that make everything faster
[05:08] <ecio> but ultra is a bit smoother than tight
[05:08] <occy>   dvdrip: Depends: transcode (>= 2:0.6.6) but it is not installable    Can someone tell me what this means please?  And how to fix it?
[05:08] <scaroo> euh why not using vino, the vnc server wich comes with gnome ? it uses Xdammage to reduce bandwidth use and worked all great for me until now
[05:08] <occy> I'm running Warty Ubuntu.
[05:08] <ecio> i suppose ultra supports windows logon too (never tried it)
[05:08] <ubernoob> I just upgraded to Horay, but now x-screen won't start! :(
[05:09] <ubernoob> anyone that have the same problem?
[05:09] <Dr_willis> hmm texting out x11vnc - its suppose to export the CURRENT X session to a vnc server.  but it dident say what vnc session it was useing..
[05:09] <Dr_willis> anyone messed wih x11vnc yet?
[05:09] <ecio> ubernoob, i upgraded to hoary because x wasnt working on woody :)
[05:09] <trey3> ubernoob: ensure 'xserver-xorg' is installed
[05:09] <mon> ubernoob: i had it too, and now with warty. don't have a clue why though
[05:10] <Xenguy> Dr_willis: never heard of it
[05:10] <trey3> ubernoob: also 'xorg-common'  (I think thats what its called)
[05:10] <ubernoob> xfree worked fine for me, but horay uses xorg... thats most likely the problem
[05:10] <Dr_willis> aha! it used 0
[05:10] <Watje> my X died, and when i'm trying to restart it it says 'GLcore module does not exsists' how can i install it?
[05:10] <ecio> how can i co
[05:10] <ecio> damn
[05:10] <trey3> ubernoob: 'dpkg -l' the packages I stated...
[05:10] <Dr_willis> hmm this is interesting.. makes it work about like the way the wiindoes vnc server woprks.. only MUCH MUCH slower.
[05:10] <Dr_willis> egads its laggy :P
[05:10] <ecio> how can i check if my videocard is accelerated in X ?
[05:11] <ubernoob> trey3: i have xserver-xorg, i'll reboot soon and check the other
[05:11] <trey3> ubernoob: uhh?
[05:11] <Dr_willis> ecio,  try 'glxgears'
[05:11] <ubernoob> i'm using windows now
[05:11] <trey3> ubernoob: bah
[05:11] <ubernoob> i know :(
[05:12] <ecio> Dr_willis, i got 120-150fps
[05:12] <trey3> ubernoob: most xfree > xorg problems are due to not dist-upgrade'ing though... (only upgrade'ing won't bring the packages you need for xorg)
[05:12] <mon> ubernoob: you tried the xorg-cfg thingie?
[05:13] <mon> ecio: that means no hardware acceleration
[05:13] <ecio> mon that's bad...
[05:13] <mon> ecio: nvidia and ati modules are provided
[05:13] <ubernoob> trey3: yeah... that might be it
[05:13] <ecio> i dont wanna play with linux, but im afraid that w/o acceleration also video playback and window painting would be slower
[05:14] <ecio> mon: i have an intel integrated, i855 (i suppose)
[05:14] <ecio> Dr_willis, mon told me that 120-150fps means no acceleration :/
[05:14] <Dr_willis> Hmm. that was odd.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> that x11vnc tool. just messewd up my keyboard - had to restart x
[05:14] <Dr_willis> ecio,  yep.
[05:14] <ecio> i have an integrated intel videocard
[05:14] <trey3> ubernoob: you attempted via synaptic? did you choose "smart upgrade"?  (smart upgrade = dist-upgrade)
[05:14] <Dr_willis> i get 4000+ on my stuff
[05:15] <Dr_willis> ecio,  ugh. :P intel 810 ?
[05:15] <Xenguy> Dr_willis: re: x11vnc: too bad; it sounded promising
[05:15] <ecio> willis it 855 or 810 im not sure
[05:15] <mon> ecio: hmm i don't know about that intel stuff... i assumed nv or ati
[05:15] <Dr_willis> Xenguy,  it was slow as heck also...
[05:15] <ecio> it's a laptop, im sure sound is using i8x0
[05:15] <ubernoob> trey3: i used synaptic, but i have saved my answer from before, so i'm not sure what i did
[05:15] <mon> ecio: that chipset probably won't give a big boost :)
[05:15] <ubernoob> i'll try with dist-upgrade
[05:15] <Dr_willis> Xenguy,  better to plan ahead and use the real vncserver - i dont see how x11vnc would let you log off box 1 and kep X going either.
[05:16] <trey3> ubernoob: alright  :)
[05:16] <ecio> mon: of course, but im afraid that being not accelerated is slowing me  also in virtual screen switching
[05:16] <bitfoo> whats up suckas :|
[05:16] <stuNNed> not much bifoolios
[05:16] <Xenguy> Dr_willis: tx for the tips; I think I'll keep experimenting with FreeNX in the short run, see if I can get it to work for me
[05:16] <bitfoo> :O
[05:16] <bitfoo> they have labs? with test monkeys?
[05:17] <stuNNed> heh
[05:17] <ecio> lol
[05:17] <stuNNed> monkeys monkeys monkeys!
[05:17] <trey3> bitfoo: see Jeff's last post on planet.gnome.org  ;)
[05:17] <bitfoo> o_O
[05:17] <bitfoo> who is jeff o_O
[05:18] <stuNNed> Jeff Wakenbocker
[05:18] <stuNNed> jk hehe
[05:18] <stuNNed> Jeff is ubuntu dev
[05:18] <trey3> bitfoo: Jeff Waugh... jdub here... GNOME release manager... Ubuntu release manager...
[05:18] <bitfoo> ohh alright
[05:19] <bitfoo> its wierd that transparency only shows the desktop background and notthe windows behindi t:/
[05:20] <trey3> bitfoo: pseudo transparancy? or via xorg?
[05:20] <bitfoo> pseudo
[05:20] <bitfoo> in the terminal
[05:20] <trey3> bitfoo: eh, yeah... XChat and g-t transparancy is weird like that  :/
[05:21] <bitfoo> yeah, its counterintuitive
[05:21] <bitfoo> at least it works though :P
[05:21] <robertj> the worst part about onboard paripherals is you cant' very easily kick them
[05:21] <trey3> So much faster to type  :)
[05:21] <Dr_willis> Hmm FreeNX is only for machines running X :O
[05:21] <bitfoo> what is freenx :|
[05:22] <Dr_willis> bitfoo,  gotta love fake transparecies.
[05:22] <Dr_willis> a remote desktop type tool similer to vnc.
[05:22] <Dr_willis> only faster
[05:22] <bitfoo> check out my desktop its the new hotness: http://www.duke.edu/~peg2/desktop.png
[05:22] <EvolutionR> just want to ask how to search for a frens hotmail address?
[05:22] <nightwolf> freenx: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1968
[05:23] <bitfoo> ohh i see
[05:23] <bitfoo> i dont think  i need remote desktop though :|
[05:25] <bitfoo> i do need a burrito though...brb :D
[05:26] <ecio> i quit, thanks all for the infos :)
[05:26] <ubernoob> trey3: it didn't help i had done dist-upgrade, and had the packages installed to
[05:26] <bretzel> Hi there still alive after hoary upgrade ... But nvidia-glx screwed - GLcore not present.... dunno how to fix it
[05:26] <trey3> ubernoob: what errors you get?
[05:27] <Timbo> what's the preferred way to get the nvidia module loaded?
[05:27] <jpshark> bretzel: have some problem as you with Hoary..
[05:27] <ubernoob> the screen just go black
[05:27] <Timbo> just dump it in /etc/modules?
[05:28] <trey3> ubernoob: umm... that means X is loading... you wait?
[05:28] <cardador> Timbo: yes
[05:28] <larsrohdin> Hi, how can i make a program start automaticcally when i boot gnome?
[05:28] <ubernoob> hmm... maybe i didnt wait long enough :P
[05:28] <trey3> larsrohdin: yes... Computer > Preferences > Session
[05:28] <bitfoo> timbo apt-get it :|
[05:29] <trey3> ubernoob: shouldn't take insanely long...
[05:29] <Timbo> cardador: thanks
[05:29] <ubernoob> i'll try again
[05:29] <ubernoob> and wait
[05:29] <bretzel> jpshark: yes... I said nvidia-glx is screwed: GLcore module isn't loaded at startup of xorg .... nosuch file it says...
[05:29] <Timbo> bitfoo: i have, but the module isn't loaded by default
[05:29] <ubernoob> then get the logs
[05:29] <bitfoo> ohh
[05:29] <ubernoob> which logfiles does have the info i want?
[05:29] <bitfoo> :X
[05:29] <trey3> ubernoob: at the very least, it should kill X if something is wrong...
[05:30] <titoo> Hello, has anybody experience on making the modem of a T41p to work?
[05:30] <larsrohdin> trey3, what number should i choose?
[05:30] <ubernoob> trey3: how can i kill it manually? i tried ctrl+alt+backspace whitout luck
[05:30] <trey3> ubernoob: /var/log/Xorg.0.log would be the log file  :)
[05:30] <ubernoob> larsrohdin: i think 50 is default
[05:30] <trey3> ubernoob: you can't... until you at least get a curser...
[05:30] <larsrohdin> ok
[05:30] <bretzel> I wonder what sources hoary needs to complete the upgrade -- regarding bootslplash in kernel, nvidia stuff etc ...
[05:31] <trey3> larsrohdin: umm, for what?
[05:31] <occy> ugh... I'm getting the following error when I try and log back in to GDM:   "Your session lasted less than 10 seconds... view your ~/.xsession-errors"   I looked at that file and it says:   ** (gnome-session:5018): WARNING **: Unable to read ICE authority file: /home/october/.ICEauthority
[05:31] <trey3> larsrohdin: ahh... nm... doesn't really matter...
[05:31] <ubernoob> larsrohdin: you meant the for the program you wanted to start with gnome
[05:31] <trey3> occy: get rid of the file and try again...
[05:32] <LinuxJones> occy, delete .ICEAuthority file in your home dir
[05:32] <occy> I have no idea what that .ICEauthority is.  I was trying to use k3b was all I was doing.  (it didn't even do anything -- k3b that was, I apt-get installed it, k3b, and it didn't work)
[05:32] <occy> LinuxJones oki
[05:32] <occy> sec guys, bbiab
[05:32] <Scognito> hi all
[05:33] <occy> whew, I nearly had a heart attack.
[05:33] <occy> I've had that happen in the past, and never could figure out a fix for it.
[05:33] <occy> tx trey3 and LinuxJones
[05:33] <Scognito> i got this warning while i boot ubuntu: WARNING: .udevdb already exists on the old /dev
[05:33] <Scognito> what is that?
[05:33] <bretzel> nobody can help me restoring nvidia-glx working ? :-(
[05:33] <trey3> occy: you're welcome  :)
[05:34] <Scognito> tried to remove that dir and reboot
[05:34] <Scognito> same error
[05:34] <larsrohdin> ubernoob, yes, i have a swedish edition so i don't really know what its called in english..
[05:34] <bretzel> ahhH! My wife needs me - AFK for 5 min ....
[05:37] <occy> :/  now xine isn't giving me any love on playing DVD.  It starts up, and I see the first "copyright message?"  But I see nothing else and then it gives this error:  >>> Check if another program already uses PCM <<<   snd_pcm_open() failed: -16: Device or resource busy
[05:39] <flodin> occy: probably your desktop manager is hogging the soundcard
[05:39] <occy> flodin: I tried fuser -k /dev/dsp
[05:40] <flodin> and?
[05:40] <occy> :/  same thing
[05:40] <flodin> well what does -l say
[05:40] <flodin> err
[05:40] <bretzel> Sh***T where is synaptic ?????
[05:41] <larsrohdin> trey3, ok, ive done that... but ehwn i start gnome i see that the program (torsmo btw) starts, but then the backgroundimage comes and then the program is gone...
[05:41] <flodin> hm shouldn't fuser be able to list the processes
[05:41] <occy> flodin: thought so.
[05:41] <rtousey> i have set up a dialup connection with pppconfig, but gkdial stays in 'connecting to' mode, even though the interface is fully up and i can connect to places...how do i fix gkdial?
[05:41] <occy> it asks for udp/tcp names
[05:41] <occy> have no idea what those are.
[05:41] <larsrohdin> trey3, and the program is running when i run ps axl
[05:41] <occy> heh
[05:41] <flodin> well anyhow, check if you have esound or arts running
[05:42] <occy> flodin: thanks
[05:42] <trey3> larsrohdin: try just logging off with the app running, and choosing "save session"...
[05:42] <bretzel> synaptic disapeared in hoary upgrade .... can't find it anymore
[05:42] <larsrohdin> ive tried that... same thing
[05:42] <trey3> larsrohdin: hmm, thats weird... maybe it just doesn't like being started like that?
[05:42] <larsrohdin> what about .xsession? could that work?
[05:43] <trey3> larsrohdin: same thing... in fact I think thats what it edits when you do that...
[05:43] <LinuxJones> bretzel, apt-get install synaptic
[05:43] <bretzel> how can I obtain the glcore module ????
[05:43] <larsrohdin> trey3, ok... whats weird is that i see that the program is running, its just like behind my background=)
[05:44] <bretzel> LinuxJones: yes I did :-) but it wasn't there before
[05:44] <trey3> larsrohdin: haha... more likely it died... or is on another virtual desktop?
[05:44] <rtousey> i have set up a dialup connection with pppconfig, but gkdial stays in 'connecting to' mode, even though the interface is fully up and i can connect to places...how do i fix gkdial?
[05:44] <larsrohdin> no, if i run ps axl... the program is running
[05:44] <jiekson> anyone knows how to uninstall nvidia drivers ?
[05:45] <bretzel> Please: xorg with nvidia fails because glcore can't be loaded - no sich file.... How can I obtain  or configure glcore module ???
[05:45] <Watje> http://watje.pwnt.nl/x.error when i start x, does any1 knows how to fix that?
[05:45] <trey3> larsrohdin: that just means its still claiming a process ID  :/
[05:45] <Scognito> i got this warning while i boot ubuntu: WARNING: .udevdb already exists on the old /dev, some hint?
[05:46] <LinuxJones> bretzel, have you installed the linux-restricted-modules ?
[05:46] <trey3> larsrohdin: makes no sense that it be "behind the background"...
[05:46] <larsrohdin> trey3, ok... but what about that number? doesn't that have something to do with in which order the programs start?
[05:47] <trey3> larsrohdin: yup... simular to init scripts...
[05:47] <larsrohdin> i have open box to... is that a problem
[05:47] <okox> i ve recently reinstalled ubuntu and it goes very slow, does anyone know why ?
[05:47] <trey3> larsrohdin: shouldn't matter?
[05:47] <trey3> larsrohdin: it supports Window Hints, so yeah, should play nice...
[05:48] <melazyboy2> Watje: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig xfonts-base xfonts-scalabe xfonts-75d[o xfonts-100dpi
[05:48] <Watje> k thnx
[05:48] <tritium> bretzel, you should have GLcore commented out or removed with nvidia anyway
[05:48] <larsrohdin> trey3, ok, do you know any alternatives to torsmo then?
[05:48] <trey3> melazyboy2: haha @ leaving out defoma
[05:48] <melazyboy2> lol
[05:49] <melazyboy2> yea or deforma =/
[05:49] <melazyboy2> just use deforma
[05:49] <bretzel> tritium ok but why does x cannot start then ? is glcore primitive part ? ok I am gonna comment the line in xorg.conf and see :-)
[05:50] <hitu> hey
[05:50] <hitu> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:50] <hitu> that shouldn happen right ?
[05:50] <Watje> melazyboy2: still got the same errors
[05:50] <melazyboy2> try dpkg-reconfigure defoma
[05:51] <Watje> k
[05:52] <trey3> gah... those don't even matter... its looking for an X Font Server... (just not saw the error)
[05:52] <Watje> ain't working either
[05:53] <trey3> Watje: X is up?
[05:53] <Watje> no it isn't
[05:53] <trey3> Watje: dpkg -l ttf*
[05:53] <jiekson> I have just installed ubuntu, and I managed to install nvidia drivers, even tough I have an ATI Radeon graphics card, and now X won't start... what should I do?
[05:53] <Watje> k
[05:54] <trey3> Watje: you see a bunch with 'ii' in front right?
[05:54] <melazyboy2> jiekson: edit /etc/X11/XFree86-4 and change the line that says nvidia to ati
[05:54] <Watje> trey3: http://watje.pwnt.nl/ttf.o
[05:54] <jiekson> ok, will try
[05:55] <tazle> hmm
[05:56] <trey3> Watje: yeah.. so the answer was "yes"... anyways... so yeah.. its not a font issue...
[05:56] <Watje> k
[05:56] <trey3> Watje: you have any other errors?
[05:56] <Watje> not any more
[05:56] <Watje> since i commented "Loadmodule "GLcore""
[05:57] <tazle> I wonder howI should proceed to install Ubunto on nfsroot
[05:57] <Watje> the font error is the only problem
[05:57] <Timbo> so um... i've installed ubuntu
[05:57] <Timbo> and then i installed k3b
[05:58] <Timbo> but it needs root to set permissions etc
[05:58] <Timbo> i've never set a root password
[05:58] <Timbo> does that mean one isn't set by default?
[05:58] <trey3> Timbo: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:58] <Timbo> guess i just need to 'sudo passwd'?
[05:59] <trey3> Watje: show me your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or Xfree86)
[05:59] <jiekson> melazyboy2: I cannot edit the file, at least when I am using vim...
[05:59] <Watje> k
[06:00] <Watje> http://watje.pwnt.nl/XFree86.0.log
[06:00] <hitu> where can i find a list of repositories for apt-get ?
[06:01] <Timbo> http://www.apt-get.org/
[06:02] <trey3> Watje: yeah... strange... you can remove the listing in XF86Config-4 about font server though... just so you don't go back to that...
[06:02] <trey3> The warnings are basically saying its already done that...
[06:02] <Watje> i can try
[06:02] <trey3> So there is nothing else...
[06:03] <trey3> Never seen a X log end with font stuff though  :/
[06:03] <Watje> the "Fontpath" line?
[06:03] <Watje> err.. with "unix/:7100"?
[06:04] <trey3> Watje: yeah  :)
[06:04] <trey3> deff not all though  :)
[06:04] <Watje> k
[06:04] <Watje> still get the same errors :x
[06:05] <trey3> The "Warning: font renderer for ".bdf.gz" already registered at priority 0" aren't errors
[06:05] <trey3> Its just saying it skipped it cuz its already done... most see it... if they look  :/
[06:05] <Watje> warnings then
[06:05] <Peter> UGH!.
[06:05] <Peter> it didnt work. great.
[06:05] <Watje> but X doesn't start with that warnings..
[06:06] <hitu> whats the option to enable 3D Acceleration ?
[06:06] <Watje> i already have
[06:06] <Munnu> no voi xittu.
[06:06] <hitu> ( Multimedia ) Video Card: [ Screen Resolution: 1024x768 pixels / 24 Bits | 3D Acceleration: No ]  | | CD-Rom: LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K | CD-RW: LITE-ON COMBO SOHC-5232K
[06:06] <Watje> ah
[06:06] <hitu> there :|
[06:06] <trey3> Watje: yes it does, mine IS!
[06:07] <Watje> hehe, but mine isn't!
[06:07] <trey3> Watje: yeah, but like I said... its not why...
[06:07] <Watje> but you don't know whats wrong?
[06:07] <trey3> Watje: from what you showed me... no
[06:07] <Watje> k
[06:08] <Peter> bye ubuntu :-*
[06:08] <tritium> Peter, what are you trying to do now?
[06:08] <trey3> Peter: great attitude... whats even wrong?
[06:08] <kbrooks_> Peter, tell me. pm me
[06:08] <tritium> are you still trying to use i386 kernel on amd64?
[06:08] <Peter> heh no.
[06:08] <kbrooks_> chat to me via pm
[06:09] <tritium> what's the problem, then?
[06:09] <zhukov_> hi
[06:09] <Peter> i think its more ati and it being sucky
[06:09] <kbrooks_> Peter, DESCRIBE YOUR DAMN PROBLEM
[06:09] <zhukov_> anyone here with the ip2100?
[06:10] <zhukov_> *ipw2100
[06:10] <Guardiann> good afternoon people
[06:10] <Peter> kbrooks_: the ati drivers wont enable hardware acceleration no matter what, we've tried everything.
[06:11] <tritium> Peter, I understand the frustration, but that's more of an ATI problem than an Ubuntu problem.
[06:12] <Peter> probably
[06:12] <spiritz> How can I see which program is using a lot of I/I from the HD?
[06:12] <llun_ved> hehe
[06:13] <jesse_132> [Kinda OT]  ---  I am trying to find a wifi pcmcia card that "just works" ...  everyone I see has issues .. I will pay extra to "just work" on linux ...  anyone have any advice?
[06:13] <njan> jesse_132, atheros card
[06:13] <njan> jesse_132, there's a 3com XJACK card which is a/b/g which is atheros
[06:13] <scaroo> zhukov_, ipw2100 here
[06:13] <njan> jesse_132, I've *never* had any problems with atheros.
[06:13] <tritium> My Linksys WPC-11 ver 3 just works
[06:13] <njan> tritium, you can't buy those any more :p
[06:14] <tritium> But I think newer models are different
[06:14] <jesse_132> njan, cool...  I am setting up a laptop for my sis-in-law (10years old)... with ubuntu ... she likes it!
[06:14] <tritium> njan, :(
[06:14] <njan> tritium, they're all v4s now, and they're a) cardbus, and b) realtek somethingorothers that don't have working linux drivers.
[06:14] <melazyboy2> spiritz: lsof?
[06:14] <tritium> njan, figures...
[06:14] <njan> tritium, the only thing you can do is send it back to linksys after completing the little 'I have windows NT and I can't use cardbus' form, and afaik they send you a v3, but Iwouldn't be sure.
[06:15] <will> anyone have a problem with their ac97 clock speed? mine is running too fast!
[06:15] <sls> bye
[06:15] <zhukov_> scaroo, does ubuntu works well with ipw2100 with wep? Im a suse 9.2 user, but i would like to try ubuntu (better gnome support :D ). I really dont have the time to "play around" with a distro right now...
[06:15] <darksatanic> will: Still?!
[06:15] <darksatanic> will: I thought we'd fixed it?
[06:15] <jesse_132> njan, hehe  that works?
[06:16] <scriptkittie> Got a problem. Since installing k3b I am getting message ** (gnome session: 5041): WARNING **: Unable to read ICE Authourity file /home/isa/.ICEauthourity
[06:16] <scriptkittie> What does this mean?
[06:16] <hitu> warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[06:16] <hitu> what should i do ?
[06:17] <Parallax> a
[06:17] <scriptkittie> More important can I fix it:
[06:17] <scriptkittie> ?
[06:17] <scaroo> zhukov_, it works out-of-the-box, and if not, just install linux-restricted-modules corresponding to your kernel :)
[06:17] <kbrooks_> scriptkittie, sudo chmod 777 .ICEauthority
[06:17] <spiritz> melazyboy2: lsof? maybe, with what parameters?
[06:18] <kbrooks_> in /home/isa
[06:18] <scaroo> then you got net applet or NetworManager, both of wich make it really easy to set your network with wep
[06:18] <zhukov_> scaroo, thanks
[06:18] <kbrooks_> scriptkittie, i fixed that error by exactly doing just that
[06:18] <melazyboy2> spiritz: no parameters you said you wanted to see what programs had I/O on hard drive, run lsof, it lists all programs that are accessing hd and what files they are accessing
[06:19] <bzbb> hmph
[06:19] <will> darksatanic: its come back!
[06:19] <bzbb> aRts is hiccuping
[06:19] <will> darksatanic: i found this : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2003-March/000042.html
[06:19] <bzbb> the bigger the buffer, the worse the hiccup
[06:20] <scaroo> Peter, you wont be desapointed, got one, it is great and greatly supported under linux !
[06:20] <bzbb> using artswrapper makes the problem slightly less bad
[06:20] <hitu> hey umm  someone help me out ?
[06:20] <jesse_132> ugh... no XJACK wifi in this town for under $150.. I only paid $200 for the laptop ... I guess I'll try to find a usb dongle ...
[06:20] <hitu> i get this -> warning: locate: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[06:20] <Peter> scaroo: sure, and if it doesnt work
[06:21] <Peter> i'll blame you.
[06:21] <Peter> :)
[06:21] <spiritz> melazyboy2: Ok you're right.. but in fact I'm looking for a command to show which program is heavly using my Harddrive... Like top and CPU usage. Any idea?
[06:21] <ubernoob> i upgraded to horay, and now x-screen wont start :(  i just get a blank screen. anyone know what the problem might be?
[06:22] <LarstiQ> moin
[06:22] <kbrooks_> lol
[06:22] <melazyboy2> spiritz: Dont think its possible without running a daemon of sort, a logging/debugging module
[06:23] <jesse_132> here's hoping they haven't changed the chipset on the MA111
[06:23] <LarstiQ> melazyboy2: I just dropped in, what's the issue you are talking about?
[06:23] <spiritz> melazyboy2: ok too bad... I remember windows xp could easily does that; Thanks anyway :)
[06:24] <zhukov_> scaroo, just one more thing to change the networl profiles, is there any interface in ubuntu to do that, like Yast in Suse?
[06:24] <hOnki> can anybody tell me how to config my wlan0 connection=
[06:24] <hOnki> the connection is active
[06:24] <hOnki> No WEP used
[06:24] <hOnki> correct gateway etc.
[06:24] <hOnki> but No connection through firefox
[06:25] <hOnki> ifconfig wlan0 shows correct information
[06:25] <melazyboy2> spiritz: the problem is with ram to find out what program is using how much you simply take the mem_used_by_progx, and put that over the total_mem, with a hard drive, you want to know what is bogging it down youw ould have to first run a benchmark likd hdparm -tT on the harddrive when nothing was bogging it down to find your throughput to the hd, then find out what program is requesting files capable of saturating that throughput f
[06:25] <spiritz> hOnki: check if iwconfig tells you that your card is associated with a access point, then use dhclient wlan0 or iup eth0 to ask an ip from the remote server...
[06:25] <scriptkittie> kbrooks Thanks mate that fixed it!
[06:25] <spiritz> hOnki: that's all you have to do
[06:25] <bretzel>  why there isn't kdelibs4-dev anywhere in repos ???? it is a reuired pkg for kde devel and can't find this in all sources i've tried ...
[06:26] <Haukkari_> kdelibs4?
[06:26] <MMA[Cory] > Could someone help me with a dual monitor/X86 prob?
[06:26] <melazyboy2> spiritz: Additionally, you could make sure dma is enabled on your hd with the 'hdparm -d /dev/hdX'
[06:26] <LarstiQ> spiritz: and don't forget to check irq unmasking, hdparm -u
[06:27] <mindphasr> bretzel: It's in universe.
[06:27] <scaroo> zhukov_, yes, netapplet from ximian/novell is in the ports. It is a small applet located in the notification area with wich you can switch esaly to another ssid :)
[06:27] <MMA[Cory] > Im tryin to run the utility in /usr/bin/X11/xf86cfg buy I cant figure how to run something under root.
[06:27] <spiritz> melazyboy2: Yes I see, but I wonder how do big sys admin to know which program may be getting crazy and using huge I/O hdd ressources.
[06:27] <Riddell> bretzel:it should be in universe. what platform and ubuntu version are you using?
[06:27] <bretzel> Haukkari_: kdelibs4 ... ok see kdelibs4-dev : but wasn;t autoselected... hmmmm
[06:27] <hOnki> 1.) iwconfig shows correct connection
[06:28] <bretzel> Riddell: Hoary :-)
[06:28] <spiritz> LarstiQ: irq unmasking should be on of off?
[06:28] <melazyboy2> spiritz they build in verbose debugging modules and moniter logs when there is a problem
[06:28] <LarstiQ> spiritz: on
[06:28] <spiritz> ok thanks
[06:29] <LarstiQ> spiritz: but when in doubt, see how hdparm -tT changes with different settings
[06:29] <spiritz> hOnki: what exactly is wrong with your wifi? how far does it work?
[06:30] <bretzel> it seems ... And is it possible to have frembuffer bootsplash and console in Hoary ?
[06:30] <hOnki> i try'ed ping www.google.de
[06:30] <zhukov_> scaroo, once again thanks. Now its time to download, backup and install ubuntu :D Bye bye Suse...
[06:30] <hOnki> i think it isn't wrong configuration
[06:30] <hOnki> my wlan card is not Okay
[06:30] <spiritz> hOnki: are you able to ping your internet gateway?
[06:31] <hOnki> Yes but slooooooooooooooooooooooow
[06:31] <LarstiQ> hOnki: ah, so there is a connection with your AP then?
[06:31] <hOnki> jap
[06:31] <bretzel> While still testing things, hoary seems more powerful than Warty - more pkgs in sources ...
[06:31] <scaroo> zhukov_, you wont be desapointed, i guaranty that ! i would advice you to grap the last hoary snapshot, it is really better than hoary, and is near its final shape
[06:31] <spiritz> hOnki: what is slow for you? is there many dropped packets?
[06:31] <hOnki> response = ~ 15s
[06:31] <hOnki> (not ms! s!!!)
[06:31] <spiritz> :o
[06:32] <ranweb> anyone installed ubuntu on sun ulta 5
[06:32] <spiritz> how far are you from your access point?
[06:32] <kbrooks_> not me.
[06:32] <bretzel> And I like the new gnome menus but there is a debian menu with redundant stuff ...
[06:32] <trey3> ranweb: isn't that SPARC? not a supported Arch...
[06:33] <ranweb> yes sun ultra 5 sparc
[06:33] <trey3> ranweb: maybe try Fedora? its quite nice also...
[06:33] <trey3> Its only real downfall = RPM/YUM
[06:33] <ranweb> debian supports sparc why not ubuntu
[06:33] <bretzel> bootsplash not in hoary ?
[06:33] <zhukov_> scaroo, where can I get that cd? I cant find it in the ubuntu site...
[06:34] <Haukkari_> ranweb: supposedly the ubuntu devs don't have suns
[06:34] <trey3> ranweb: no idea...
[06:34] <tritium> bretzel, it's a kernel patch.  Instead, they're working on usplash (userspace splash)
[06:34] <melazyboy2> ranweb: because debian takes 2years to make a release because all offical deb software has to run on sparc
[06:34] <trey3> melazyboy2: actually... most of Debian's issues seem to be due to Alpha or whatever...
[06:34] <trey3> and MIPS
[06:34] <ranweb> really like the plug and play aspects of ubuntu
[06:34] <melazyboy2> ranweb: and their kernel lacks optimizations and is cluttered with legacy options for archaic crap
[06:35] <kbrooks_> debian should banish alpha
[06:35] <trey3> SPARC is fairly well supported throughout Linux...
[06:35] <kbrooks_> too old
[06:35] <bretzel> ok tritium: searched in description and name in vanilla sources.list: no uplash
[06:35] <tritium> bretzel, it's still in development
[06:35] <trey3> kbrooks: tell the maintainers of that arch that...
[06:35] <kent> Im testing graveman (the cd-rw application) for the first time now. It actually burns my audio cd, it seems. Very nice program indeed! (though making it detect my cd was a bit hard, but after that, its great)
[06:35] <tritium> they're targetting Hoary, but it may not even make it into Hoary
[06:35] <ubernoob> trey3: i tried to wait, but it didnt help. and there isn't any xorg.log file. only xfree
[06:35] <bretzel> tritium: But hoary LiveCD has it tho
[06:35] <tritium> bretzel, usplash?
[06:35] <melazyboy2> trey3: point being the reason why ubuntu doesn't support sparc/alpha/hpx etc etc
[06:36] <melazyboy2> ubernoob: /var/log/xorg.0.log?
[06:36] <bretzel> no -no I meant LiveCD boot in fb with splash screen
[06:36] <tritium> Xorg.0.log
[06:36] <Guardiann> bretzel only the upgrades last couple of days have the debian stuff in the application area
[06:36] <LarstiQ> well, that worked wonderfully bad
[06:36] <trey3> melazyboy2: I told him Xorg.0.log.. which is correct... recent dist-upgrade to hoary...
[06:36] <ubernoob> melazyboy2: not that either... xorg havent made a log
[06:37] <LarstiQ> oh, more people with xorg problems? :)
[06:37] <bretzel> Guardiann: That is cool to have Debian named stuff ( such as a menu entry :-) )
[06:37] <ubernoob> yupp
[06:37] <Guardiann> yep
[06:37] <trey3> LarstiQ: people seem to overlook the daily images...
[06:37] <LarstiQ> trey3: hmm?
[06:37] <melazyboy2> ubernoob: anytime xorg/xfree runs there is a log created even if it crashes right after you type startx or gdm, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, or /var/logXFree86.0.log
[06:38] <bretzel> ok I give up for now we got out
[06:38] <trey3> Went without issue for me.
[06:39] <LarstiQ> trey3: do they double as livecds?
[06:40] <ubernoob> i can't see anything wrong in the logfile
[06:40] <trey3> LarstiQ: nah... those are here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[06:40] <ASDF> Can someone help me?
[06:40] <trey3> LarstiQ: although there is a corresponding build  :)
[06:40] <LarstiQ> trey3: and even a powerpc live one, sweet :)
[06:41] <ubernoob> ASDF: sure
[06:41] <trey3> LarstiQ: yup... all arch's are supported with the LiveCD now  :)
[06:41] <LarstiQ> trey3: great news, that is
[06:41] <LarstiQ> trey3: I'll see if the live cd works then, I had everything working nicely yesterday, but today I was so smart to remove some 'obsolete' packages
[06:42] <trey3> LarstiQ: haha... gj   ;)
[06:42] <LarstiQ> which promptly results in glxgears hardlocking my machine ;)
[06:42] <ubernoob> i don't want to reinstall and do all the configuration again
[06:42] <melazyboy2> ubernoob: type this, 'find /var/log/ -name 'Xorg*' | xargs grep EE
[06:42] <LarstiQ> trey3: I was removing manually, since it was a custom rolled dri-trunk package
[06:43] <melazyboy2> err
[06:43] <melazyboy2> ubernoob: type this, 'find /var/log/ -name 'Xorg*' | xargs grep EE'
[06:43] <LarstiQ> trey3: which I thought wasn't being used anymore
[06:43] <ubernoob> melazyboy2: i'm using windows now :( but i have access to the linux disk
[06:43] <ASDF> "Grub loading: Error 21" <-- That came on boot, whats wrong`
[06:44] <melazyboy2> ASDF: We all memmorize Grub error codes on a spare time
[06:44] <melazyboy2> ASDF: You came to the right place
[06:44] <trey3> ASDF: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/271505
[06:44] <ubernoob> ASDF: first hit on google "grub error 21"
[06:44] <trey3> Its even related to Warty LiveCD... but yeah... first reply tells what the error means
[06:44] <jeavis> hello
[06:45] <jeavis> i need help
[06:45] <jeavis> who can help me
[06:45] <trey3> jeavis: many people can... if you tell us whats wrong...
[06:45] <ubernoob> ASDF: your menu file is pointing to a hard drive NUMBER that does not exist
[06:45] <jeavis> ok
[06:45] <ASDF> What oi should do then?
[06:45] <ubernoob> can't you boot?
[06:45] <jeavis> i used Mandrake and i can acces to windows flies, now i can acces with Ubuntu
[06:45] <trey3> ASDF: read the link I told you!
[06:46] <ASDF> post your /etc/fstab & /boot/grub/menu.lst and describe your hardware like below if you still have probs
[06:46] <jeavis> I cant acces with ubuntu
[06:46] <ASDF> That like is in there TreadingSoftly
[06:46] <ASDF> trey3
[06:46] <trey3> ASDF: if you're using the LiveCD... you're fucked...
[06:46] <ASDF> No
[06:46] <trey3> ASDF: else... get a LiveCD... and do what it says...
[06:47] <ASDF> I have ubuntu install CD, and when I install and boot it says like that
[06:47] <ubernoob> :)
[06:47] <kbrooks_> ASDF, BOOT THE DAMN UBUNTU LIVE CD
[06:47] <ASDF> I dont have
[06:47] <kbrooks_> are you sure
[06:47] <trey3> ASDF: I understand that... but GRUB is pointing to the wrong place (as was already said) ... so you need to correct your /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[06:48] <kbrooks_> did you order a cd from shipit
[06:48] <ASDF> How I should do that?
[06:48] <ASDF> Yes
[06:48] <kbrooks_> where is the ubuntu live cd
[06:48] <kbrooks_> where did it go.........
[06:48] <ASDF> To my friend :)
[06:48] <ubernoob> ASDF: haha
[06:48] <Rasta> hi
[06:48] <kbrooks_> ...why? :P
[06:48] <kbrooks_> :O*
[06:48] <trey3> ASDF: boot into rescue mode... tell me if it lets you.
[06:49] <Rasta> what comand can i use to see all the partitions that i have on my system?
[06:49] <trey3> ASDF: umm, thats the thing it tells you to hit ESC for... then choose listing that states "Rescue"...
[06:49] <kbrooks_> Rasta, mounted?
[06:49] <ubernoob> Rasta: df or du
[06:49] <ASDF> How i can boot to rescue mode?
[06:49] <jeavis> Hi. I need help. When I used Mandrake I can access to Windows with this path /mnt/windows
[06:49] <kbrooks_> Rasta, df or du
[06:49] <jeavis> How I can access Windows from Ubuntu
[06:49] <kbrooks_> ubernoob, disk usage
[06:49] <kbrooks_> damn it
[06:50] <trey3> jeavis: you need to add an entry to your /etc/fstab file...
[06:50] <ubernoob> Rasta: if you want all (mounted and not) use fdisk
[06:50] <trey3> jeavis: how much do you know about doing that?
[06:50] <jeavis> my english isnt very good
[06:50] <jeavis> wht do you say
[06:51] <ubernoob> kbrooks: sorry, couldn't remember, and im using windows now...
[06:51] <ASDF> So, I have installed Ubuntu from install CD, and when I boot, its says error. What I should do?
[06:51] <LarstiQ> ASDF: listen to trey3 and try to boot into rescue mode
[06:52] <ASDF> How I should boot to Rescue mode
[06:52] <ubernoob> ASDF: can you choose in the grub boot loader?
[06:52] <trey3> jeavis: sudo vi /etc/fstab and add '/dev/hda1        /mnt/windows  ntfs    defaults,user,noauto  0       0' to it
[06:52] <ubernoob> ASDF: or does it hang before that?
[06:52] <Scooter> WEll, I got my other system up and running with Ubuntu Warty 64bit 8)
[06:52] <jeavis> trey: I am in fstad
[06:53] <jeavis> now what I do
[06:53] <ASDF> Well, when I boot computer, there is that "press del to get bios" thing, and then comes error
[06:53] <jeavis> trey3: ok
[06:53] <Scooter> i was just about to network it and realized that samba is not going to work anymore, what do we use for Linux to linux networking? TIA :)
[06:53] <jeavis> trey3: My filesystem in Windows is fat32
[06:54] <jeavis> I put fat32
[06:54] <ubernoob> ASDF: so you are using another computer now?
[06:54] <snowblink> Scooter: scp
[06:54] <trey3> jeavis: that assumes certain things though... that assumes Windows was first installed on primary disk (hence hda1) , and that /mnt/windows is an empty dir...
[06:54] <LarstiQ> Scooter: samba, nfs, scp, afs, sfs, http, whatever you prefer
[06:54] <ASDF> I have about 10-years-old computer and i'm trying to install to that ubuntu
[06:54] <trey3> jeavis: ok... then change 'ntfs' to 'vfat'
[06:54] <Scooter> Ok, thanks for the direction, I will go and google it :)
[06:54] <chippa> hi everybody. i installed warty last night, and things seem to be going slow? like window minimising is jumpy, and kernel compiles take forever. any ideas whats wrong?
[06:55] <LarstiQ> Scooter: if you need to transfer just one file, and it's not to big, use scp
[06:55] <trey3> ASDF: doesn't matter... reboot... when it asks, hit ESC ... choose rescue mode...
[06:55] <jeavis> trey3:ok
[06:55] <ASDF> What is asks?
[06:55] <ASDF> It doesn ask anytinh
[06:55] <ASDF> Anything
[06:55] <LarstiQ> trey3: booting from install cd that is?
[06:55] <trey3> ASDF: then change /boot/grub/menu.lst to state correct correct value for hd(X,X)
 i will be transfering models and textures back and fourth thousands of times a day... when the system was Windows SAMBA worked great 8)
[06:55] <ASDF> How i can change it, i cant do anything
[06:55] <snowblink> ASDF: do you ever see a grub menu?
[06:56] <trey3> jeavis: during boot... gives like 3 seconds...
[06:56] <LarstiQ> Scooter: in that case, rather not us
[06:56] <Mystilleef> I'd like to know if the new Ubuntu liveCD has reiser4 compiled into its kernel.
[06:56] <ASDF> No ;-)
[06:56] <LarstiQ> Scooter: e scp :)
[06:56] <LarstiQ> Scooter: also look at rsync
[06:56] <LarstiQ> Scooter: oh, and you might still want to use samba, especially if you have a mixed environment
[06:56] <chippa> hi everybody. i installed warty last night, and things seem to be going slow? like window minimising is jumpy, and kernel compiles take forever. any ideas whats wrong?
 Thankyou for your help, this is very nice of you :)
[06:56] <LarstiQ> Scooter: no problem :)
[06:56] <trey3> jeavis: the error means that you can get to grub, just it doesn't specify where vmlinuz is...
[06:57] <LeeColleton> When I fullscreen firefox in Ubuntu, I still see the panel at the top.  how do I really fullscreen it?
[06:57] <trey3> vmlinuz = kernel ...
[06:57] <LarstiQ> Scooter: (rsync is especially nice if you need to sync in two directions, check it out)
[06:57] <Scooter> i will be useing windows from time to time, i have a software package called Zbrush i use... hope they do a linux port soon
[06:57] <Scooter> Ok :)
[06:58] <LarstiQ> ZBrush is sweet, but I doubt there will be a linux port soon
 the files I transfer act as a backup, this Rsync sounds like the thing I need
[06:58] <trey3> snowblink: to answer your question... no he wouldn't, because by design, in Ubuntu, it is hidden...
[06:58] <tritium> LeeColleton, View->Toolbars->Navigation Toolbar (uncheck it)
[06:58] <LarstiQ> Scooter: ok, have fun :)
[06:58] <jeavis> trey3: I cant change fstab
[06:58] <trey3> snowblink: hence trying to get him to hit ESC ... I think that was a bad idea for Ubuntu though...
[06:59] <trey3> jeavis: why not?
[06:59] <LeeColleton> tritium: no, not the firefox toolbar, the gnome-panel
[06:59] <snowblink> trey3: funny - I always seem to see it
[06:59] <tritium> LeeColleton, by panel, you mean the navigation toolbar?
[06:59] <jeavis> trey3: sounds beep
 A friend of mine (Uber GURU) has Zbrush working under VMware... cant save the work tho.. crashes when loading and saveing things
[06:59] <trey3> snowblink: you don't see the grub menu... you see a prompt telling you you've got to hit ESC within 3 secs (by default) to get to it...
[06:59] <Scooter> hope he finds a workaround soon
[06:59] <trey3> snowblink: maybe you turned off "silent" there?
[07:00] <trey3> jeavis: you did 'sudo vi /etc/fstab'?
[07:00] <snowblink> trey3: nope. I see a grub menu (warty & hoary). Out of the box
[07:00] <trey3> snowblink: then you're the only one  :/
[07:00] <shushi2005> Can someone help me? I can't get my wireless card installed properly. It is an SS1021 pcmcia wireless card.
[07:00] <trey3> snowblink: good job.
[07:00] <snowblink> trey3: maybe because I have dual boot
[07:01] <trey3> snowblink: hmm, perhaps
[07:01] <shushi2005> The orinoco_cs driver does not start at startup, but when I do modprobe orinoco_cs it doesn't help.
[07:01] <shushi2005> Any ideas?
[07:01] <trey3> still should have silent though... and should pick default enless you hit esc...
[07:01] <jeavis> trey3: Yes I do
[07:02] <trey3> jeavis: you hit the letter i  ?
[07:02] <snowblink> trey3: just checked menu.lst - hiddenmenu is commented out (not by me)
[07:02] <jeavis> trey3: No
[07:02] <trey3> Or the insert key... either or...
[07:02] <jeavis> trey3: I need to hit i
[07:03] <jeavis> trey3: I can change with Emacs
[07:03] <trey3> jeavis: yes... when you're done with the file, you'll need to type ':wq' also
[07:04] <trey3> jeavis: should be installed though  :/
[07:04] <trey3> jeavis: just use any editor AS ROOT and edit it though...
[07:05] <jeavis> I do the change
[07:05] <jeavis> trey3: I put /dev/hda1   /mnt/windows  fat32
[07:05] <shushi2005> Does anyone know how to install a pcmcia wireless adapter? I need help.
[07:05] <trey3> jeavis: thats not all I told you to put.
[07:06] <jeavis> trey3: What I put
[07:06] <snowblink> trey3: I thought adding windows mounts was in the ubuntuguide...
[07:06] <xinit> how often do new versions of packages get added to ubuntu?
[07:06] <randabis> adding windows mounts IS in the ubuntuguide
[07:07] <xinit> e.g. I see an older blender package.. debian has newer ones
[07:07] <trey3> jeavis: /dev/hda1        /mnt/windows  vfat    defaults,user  0       0
[07:07] <jeavis> ok
[07:07] <trey3> snowblink: no idea... never looked at it...
[07:07] <randabis> xinit daily in the development branch
[07:07] <randabis> warty receives only security updates
[07:08] <trey3> snowblink: I've looked through wiki, thats about it though... seems redundent to have another place for that stuff...
 just download newest blender and unzip it in your home folder, then copy the .blend folder to your /home/user folder... that is all you have to do to get bleeding edge blender working
[07:08] <jeavis> trey3: OK I change that
[07:08] <trey3> snowblink: the person could have just edited the wiki  :/
[07:08] <ranweb> what is that wifet that displays the calender and stuff on the desktop called
[07:09] <trey3> jeavis: good job... /mnt/windows exists?
[07:09] <snowblink> trey3: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[07:09] <jeavis> trey3: I will check that
[07:09] <PenguinX> hi
[07:10] <ranweb> what is that wiget that displays the calender and stuff on the desktop called
[07:10] <jeavis> trey3: No
[07:10] <snowblink> jeavis, trey3: You might want to use /media/windows. That way it will show up on your desktop
[07:10] <randabis> you might be talking about gdesklets ranweb, not sure
[07:10] <PenguinX> i'm using knoppix 3.7 and i want install another distro. Ubuntu is like knoppix ?
[07:10] <piratePenguin> ranweb: umm.. clock
[07:10] <snowblink> also it leaves /mnt free
[07:10] <trey3> randabis: install gdesklets
[07:10] <randabis> I already did :)
[07:10] <randabis> weeks ago
[07:10] <ranweb> thanks
[07:10] <trey3> snowblink: shouldn't matter... but he stated he wanted it at /mnt/windows  :/
[07:10] <piratePenguin> ranweb: sorry, I taut you meant the applet
[07:10] <randabis> blasted tabs :p
[07:11] <trey3> randabis: and gdesklets-data? cuz its one of them...
[07:11] <randabis> yes
[07:11] <trey3> randabis: gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org if you can't find it there...
[07:11] <randabis> trey, fix your tabs lol
[07:12] <jeavis> trey3: No apears media/windows
[07:12] <trey3> randabis: gah... my bad
[07:12] <randabis> haha
[07:12] <trey3> randabis: damnit @ you following along  >:|
[07:12] <snowblink> jeavis: You may want to bookmark this for future reference http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[07:12] <randabis> ] :p
[07:12] <trey3> jeavis: mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[07:12] <trey3> jeavis: fstab controls mounts at root
[07:13] <trey3> boot even
[07:13] <randabis> sudo mount -a will mount all entries in FSTAB also
[07:13] <trey3> uhh... sudo mount...
[07:13] <trey3> jeavis: do what randabis said  :)
[07:13] <Scooter> LOL! nautalis sees my other ubuntu system as a windows network :/ cant nautalis log into a linux network?
[07:14] <snowblink> Scooter: samba?
[07:14] <jeavis> I dont undestrand
[07:14] <trey3> Scooter: it sees the other instance of Samba... technically it is a linux network though in that instance...
[07:14] <trey3> jeavis: type 'sudo mount -a'
[07:14] <randabis> Should be able to...although it's probably just easier to set up some exports on your other machine with NFS and directly mount the folders on your other machine
[07:15] <Scooter> but when i click on the windows network there is nothing there
[07:15] <Scooter> 0o
[07:15] <randabis> use NFS, not samba for sharing between linux machines
[07:15] <Scooter> is that commandline?
[07:15] <trey3> Scooter: you need to share things to see things  ;)
[07:15] <snowblink> randabis: heterogeneous network?
[07:16] <randabis> Scooter a very small portion of it is
[07:16] <randabis> snowblink, in that case I'd use a combination of samba and nfs
[07:16] <trey3> randabis: bah... ftp > cifs > nfs  where '>' == faster
[07:17] <trey3> randabis: at least in all tests I have done...
[07:17] <randabis> perhaps, nfs gets the job done for me though...just sharing a few folders between 3 machines
[07:18] <Scooter> this is getting too complicated, I will just re-install windows on other system and use samba.. I thought haveing another linux system would be easy to network..
[07:18] <randabis> how is it complicated?
[07:18] <trey3> Scooter: bah... nfs is simple... as is ftp...
[07:18] <randabis> all you have to do is install a couple of packages, then edit a text file
[07:18] <randabis> boohoo
[07:18] <trey3> Scooter: already installed
[07:19] <trey3> Scooter: its an in kernel thing...
[07:19] <randabis> nfs-kernel-server is NOT installed by default actually...I had to install it yesterday on my laptop
[07:19] <randabis> you need nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common
[07:19] <jeavis> trey3: The terminal says me that mnt/windows not exist
[07:19] <randabis> jeavis
[07:19] <jeavis> trey3: I need to mkdir windows in mnt
[07:19] <randabis> sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[07:19] <trey3> jeavis: gah... sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[07:19] <shushi2005> Why would a wireless interface deactivate immediately after it was activated?
[07:19] <randabis> then
[07:19] <randabis> sudo mount -a
[07:20] <randabis> shushi2005, probably not set up right
[07:20] <shushi2005> randabis, makes sense
[07:20] <shushi2005> randabis, too bad
[07:20] <trey3> randabis: you rule... didn't even know there were packages for NFS  :o
[07:20] <abusado> hey y is it that Ubuntu ddnt had an GCC compiler? need help
[07:20] <randabis> heh I had to find that out the hard way :)
[07:20] <hOnki> where can i change the MTU value for my wlan0 connection?
[07:21] <randabis> abusado sudo apt-get build-essential
[07:21] <trey3> abusado: apt-get install build-essential
[07:21] <pchansan> how to i make vino (gnome-vncserver thingy) automatically start with the computer, and do so that i can log into gdm and everything with it?
[07:21] <randabis> hah
[07:21] <Ctugha> Hi
[07:21] <Ctugha> how can I find a list of webcams compatible with linux ?
[07:21] <randabis> nah you can have at it I'm just kinda poking in for now
[07:22] <trey3> Ctugha: its faster just to plug it in, and see...
[07:22] <trey3> Ctugha: assuming its USB of course  :)
[07:22] <randabis> pchansan good question...I don't know :/
[07:22] <abusado> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavail able)
[07:23] <Ctugha> trey3: I guess it is
[07:23] <jeavis> trey3: Ok the terminal open me a windows and in the windows apears all my windows directories but I cant enter
[07:23] <Ctugha> I was just thinking about buying a webcam for my laptop with ubuntu
[07:23] <randabis> more than likely it is...I've NEVER seen a usb camera that wasn't usb or firewire
[07:23] <Ctugha> and do some wireless gnomemeeting :D
[07:23] <trey3> Ctugha: can't really go wrong... haven't had issues with any... not even had to load modules etc... hotplug handles it for me  :)
[07:23] <randabis> err usb camera = webcan
[07:23] <Ctugha> (tech begins to look like scifi nowadays)
[07:23] <randabis> webcam even
[07:24] <randabis> yeah gnome-vfs is a wonderful thing
[07:24] <trey3> jeavis: what you mean you can't enter?
[07:24] <jeavis> ranabis: Ok the terminal open me a windows and in the windows apears all my windows directorias but I cant enter
[07:24] <Ctugha> ok, great
[07:24] <Ctugha> :o
[07:24] <snowblink> pchansan: thing is vino is for a particular user's desktop
[07:24] <trey3> randabis: I haven't either... but just making sure  :)
[07:24] <jeavis> trey3: All icons have the gnome icon, I do doble click and I cant enter
[07:25] <randabis> perhaps the permissions are incorrectly set
[07:25] <trey3> pchansan: checking the "Allow others to access VNC" or whatever option doesn't work?
[07:25] <trey3> jeavis: what does it say?
[07:25] <xinit> randabis: I installed hoary
[07:25] <xinit> randabis: is that devel. branch?
[07:26] <randabis> xinit yes
[07:26] <xinit> ah ok
[07:26] <snowblink> trey3: I think he wants it on boot
[07:26] <jeavis> trey3. I cant enter to the dirctories
[07:26] <xinit> randabis: and it get's packages from slink?
[07:26] <xinit> amh
[07:26] <xinit> sarge
[07:26] <jeavis> trey
[07:26] <pchansan> trey3, i have, but i still need it to start automatically.  Where would i tell it to do that?
[07:26] <jeavis> trey3: I cant enter to My Documents in windows
[07:26] <randabis> xinit no...it started as a sid snapshot, but is way newer now
[07:26] <trey3> pchansan: ahh... then you need a *real* VNC server  :)
[07:26] <snowblink> pchansan: vino is per user
[07:27] <snowblink> pchansan: you need to login first
[07:27] <snowblink> pchansan: if you want your GNOME desktop
[07:27] <pchansan> Ok, thanks.
[07:27] <xinit> randabis: saw that blender is still 2.34, but debian has 2.35 in their unstable/testing
[07:27] <pchansan> Then, if i use "real vnc server", where would i add it?
[07:28] <trey3> randabis: I told jeavis to mount a vfat partition with defaults,user  ... apparently he can't access files now? what could be wrong? (direct answer etc to him please  :)
[07:28] <benkong2> hello all
[07:28] <randabis> xinit then the package maintainer for that package hasn't updated it yet
[07:28] <snowblink> pchansan: /etc/init.d /etc/rc2.d
[07:28] <xinit> randabis: ah ok
[07:28] <randabis> trey you have to set the umask
[07:28] <randabis> should probably be umask=0000 I "think"
[07:28] <jeavis> trey3: Sorry I can enter to windows from terminal
[07:28] <benkong2> how doI get rights to publish my web files directly to /var/www/html directory? I already added myself to the apache2 group.
[07:28] <randabis> so it'd look something like
[07:28] <pchansan> snowblink, What should i have install.  I have vnc-common installed?
[07:28] <jeavis> trey3: Now I can enter to windows from terminal
[07:29] <randabis> /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat umask=0000 0 0
[07:29] <snowblink> pchansan: do you have vncserver installed?
[07:29] <jeavis> trey3: Thank you very much
[07:29] <trey3> jeavis: after 'defaults,user' add 'umask=0000'
[07:29] <zazeem> hi
[07:29] <trey3> jeavis: ignore that then if its working  :)
[07:30] <jeavis> trey3: Now I write all instructions for mi documentation
[07:30] <zazeem> does anyone know any other easier versions of linux/unix like ubuntu?
[07:30] <trey3> jeavis: heh  :)
[07:30] <abusado> im stupid and i need help ... how can i install WINE on Ubuntu?
[07:30] <trey3> zazeem: there are like 20  :/
[07:30] <jeavis> randabis: thank you very much
[07:30] <randabis> trey actually I think "defaults,user" should be replaced with umask=0000
[07:30] <zazeem> treyw can u pm me like the best ones plz!! :)
[07:30] <pchansan> snowblink, I installed vnc-common and vino.  Nothing else.
[07:31] <snowblink> pchansan: get vncserver. ;)
[07:31] <Scooter> to share a folder, do we just rightclick on it and change permissions, or is there a special application to define shared folders and files? TIA :)
[07:31] <trey3> randabis: user would allow him to access... I think umask=0000 should be part of defaults?
[07:31] <randabis> zazeem I personally think ubuntu is one of the easiest, but you might wanna give Mandrake, SUSE, and Fedora a try
[07:31] <trey3> randabis: its working, so idk  :/
[07:31] <zazeem> trey3, is there a site where i can find these versions?
[07:31] <abusado> im stupid and i need help ... how can i install WINE on Ubuntu? please
[07:31] <jon1012> hello everybody :)
[07:31] <randabis> zazeem http://www.distrowatch.com
[07:31] <trey3> zazeem: many of the top distro's at distrowatch.org  :/
[07:32] <zazeem> k
[07:32] <trey3> uhh... yeah... .com
[07:32] <zazeem> ima nub
[07:32] <zazeem> :)
 sudo synaptic, then update , and then search for wine
[07:32] <trey3> zazeem: never would have guessed  ;)
[07:32] <zazeem> lol
[07:32] <trey3> Scooter: should really direct him through menu's...
[07:32] <zazeem> there was one version poof tole me of started with an m p or w
[07:32] <randabis> abusado, you need to enable universe/multiverse, then sudo apt-get install wine
[07:33] <jazzka> hi!
[07:33] <abusado> thanx scoot er
[07:33] <trey3> zazeem: Mepis ... no p... no w that I can think of?
[07:33] <jazzka> in livecd, is it possible to apt-get install packages?
[07:33] <trey3> Mepis is very easy though, although rather bloated...
[07:33] <zazeem> yess!!! thats it omfg thanks man <3
[07:33] <zazeem> !!!
[07:33] <raydogg> has anyone been able to correctly install their ati 9700 video card ?
[07:33] <zazeem> wow
[07:33] <zazeem> ownage
[07:33] <trey3> jazzka: would be kinda wasteful... but yeah, I think so..
[07:33] <snowblink> zazeem: have you looked at kubuntu. ;)
[07:33] <randabis> Mepis is debian-based like ubuntu....
[07:33] <jazzka> anybody that know this for sure?
[07:33] <jeavis> trey3: Whats mean sudo
[07:34] <zazeem> kubuntu?
[07:34] <randabis> but uses KDE instead GNOME
[07:34] <jeavis> trey3: I never listen that instrution
[07:34] <zazeem> is kde better than knome?
[07:34] <trey3> jeavis: you need to read documentation... I am not here to tell you everything you might need to know...
[07:34] <trey3> I am here to help with issues once you look these things up...
[07:34] <snowblink> zazeem: kubuntu = ubuntu project trying to prepare a KDE based released
[07:34] <zazeem> o i c
[07:34] <pchansan> snowblink, How?  apt-get install vncserver does not work
[07:34] <jon1012> gnome is hig-compliant which makes it one of the best desktop out there :)
[07:34] <zazeem> kde is better than?
[07:34] <zazeem> o
[07:35] <trey3> jeavis: start with www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo though
[07:35] <zazeem> kde has a cooler desktop
[07:35] <flodin> gnome doesn't have "cancel" buttons :(
[07:35] <zazeem> lol
[07:35] <snowblink> pchansan: you're using sudo? You have your repositories set?
[07:35] <flodin> i don't know who decided that was good hci
[07:35] <zazeem> and doesnt upport soiund in games...
[07:35] <zazeem> sound*
[07:35] <flodin> but it can't have been one of his best moments
[07:35] <randabis> ...
[07:35] <randabis> n00bs these days...
[07:36] <zazeem> lol <--
[07:36] <trey3> zazeem: flodin: arguing KDE vs GNOME is over done in general... please don't.
[07:36] <pchansan> snowblink, Yes, im sudoing.  Im using default repos.
[07:36] <zazeem> im not arguing im too nooby
[07:36] <jeavis> trey3: Thank you
[07:36] <snowblink> pchansan: I'm on warty, and have universe and multiverse set. I'm not sure what repo vncserver is in.
[07:36] <flodin> trey3: as far as i'm concerned, i'm only arguing shortcomings of gnome, not how it performs in relation to anything else
[07:37] <jeavis> trey3: Have nice day from Mexico :) Bye!
[07:37] <trey3> jeavis: you too  :)
[07:37] <trey3> jeavis: later
[07:37] <pchansan> ok.
[07:38] <abusado> abusado> sudo synaptic, then update , and then search for wine <--- Still wont work i still dont have WINE :(
[07:38] <KING^^^> hello all
[07:39] <Parallax> is there a MSN client with webcam support ????????
[07:39] <KING^^^> how can i remove k3b totaly ?
[07:39] <trey3> Parallax: gaim-vv
[07:39] <Dr_willis> i see wine in my synaptic listing.
[07:39] <Parallax> trey3: Is that gaim-vv on the apt-get ???
[07:40] <trey3> Parallax: nope
[07:40] <Parallax> damn
[07:40] <Scooter> heh, is there a command line to find the IP address on current machieen?
[07:40] <Dr_willis> Scooter,  ifconfig  is one way
[07:40] <trey3> http://gaim-vv.sourceforge.net/
[07:40] <abusado> i see it on my listing but... i cant use it... in the properties it is supposed to be 59MB but it says only 36 Mb Downloaded
[07:40] <Scooter> Thanks :)
[07:40] <Parallax> what about a good password manager ?????
[07:41] <Dr_willis> Parallax,  what about them ??????
[07:41] <pchansan> Also, One more question.  How do i configure my nameserver?  resolv.conf keeps on changing back to an incorrect one.
[07:41] <trey3> Parallax: gnome-keyring and gnome-keyring-manager are supposed to do that...
[07:41] <snowblink> pchansan: are you using DHCP?
[07:41] <Parallax> ok, ill try them
[07:41] <trey3> pchansan: /etc/issue.net I think... one of the issue files...
[07:41] <KING^^^> so ... someone ?
[07:42] <pchansan> snowblink, , yes.
[07:42] <mike_> does ubuntu work on powerpcs
[07:42] <trey3> mike_: yea
[07:42] <Dr_willis> KING^^^,  fire up synaptic and uncheck it...
[07:42] <mike_> which down do you use?
[07:42] <pchansan> trey3, That just shows what version of ubuntu im using
[07:43] <KING^^^> yes ... but when i install it back ... is the same
[07:43] <KING^^^> i wanna remove it totaly
[07:43] <KING^^^> Dr_
[07:43] <Dr_willis> Hmm... install it back?
[07:43] <Dr_willis> whats the same? you expect what to be different?
[07:43] <mike_> how do i install on ppc?
[07:43] <KING^^^> i have made some changes
[07:43] <KING^^^> and i want it back like new
[07:43] <Dr_willis> KING^^^,  i would guess the user has some config files.
[07:43] <jac208> mike_: what's your hardware?
[07:43] <Dr_willis> that you want to remove then
[07:44] <Dr_willis> nothing to do with Uninstalling k3b at all.
[07:44] <trey3> pchansan: bah... thats what your computer is reported as online... but yeah... /etc/hostname
[07:44] <Parallax> HOw do i use that gnome-keyring
[07:44] <snowblink> pchansan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1230
[07:44] <Parallax> ??
[07:44] <trey3> Parallax: install gnome-keyring-manager
[07:44] <mike_> how do I install on power pc??
[07:44] <trey3> Parallax: never really tried though  :/
[07:45] <jac208> mike_: what's your hardware?
[07:45] <chippa> jeez!i cant take this! :) why is ubuntu running so slowly? anyone?
[07:45] <mike_> whatever I need
[07:45] <Parallax> trey3: not on my apt
[07:45] <mike_> g3
[07:45] <mike_> hopefully
[07:45] <snowblink> chippa: top -i
[07:45] <jac208> mike_: get the warty ppc iso from the internet, burn them on to a cd and then boot of the cd
[07:45] <chippa> snowblink, what should i look for in that output?
[07:46] <trey3> mike_: download the powerpc iso from  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/4.10/release/
[07:46] <mike_> thanks!!!!!!!
[07:46] <snowblink> chippa: it should show you anything currently running. Kill anything you think is slowing your system.
[07:46] <trey3> mike_: to boot from cd... you have to hold down C at boot though...
[07:47] <trey3> makes me want to kill people @ apple  :(
[07:48] <chippa> snowblink, well i'm building a kernel. but even when i'm not doing that everything is unbearably slow.and i've got P4 smp processor, so i dont know whats wrong
[07:48] <chippa> i dont see anything in top -i that shouldnt be there
[07:48] <Dr_willis> Trey3 - on my imac that wouldent even work.. i had to get to the firmeare and type a few commands to install YellowDog once
[07:48] <Dr_willis> chippa,  perhaps the dma is disabled on the hard drives
[07:48] <snowblink> chippa: what's the load on your box?
[07:49] <chippa> Dr_willis, i've enabled dma, just before
[07:49] <jcoxon77> Just wondering how many people on here have ppc ubuntu?
[07:49] <jcoxon77> apart from me :)
[07:49] <chippa> snowblink, load average 1.90
[07:49] <chippa> snowblink, thats with a kernel build running
[07:49] <snowblink> chippa: fair enough. Perhaps ask again when you're not?
[07:49] <coywolf> what the name ubuntu stands for
[07:49] <trey3> jcoxon77: I've installed Ubuntu on an iMac... that sooo ought to count  :P
[07:50] <lemsx1> coywolf, www.ubuntu.com
[07:50] <jcoxon77> trey3: yeah that counts
[07:50] <trey3> 8)
[07:50] <jcoxon77> trey3: was it Old World booting system?
[07:50] <Scooter> This is getting verry depressing, is there a GUI local networking program for Ubuntu for Stupid people without a bachlor degree in computer science to use? something easy like samba? TIA 8)
[07:50] <darksatanic> ROFL @ "Easy like Samba"
[07:50] <LarstiQ> jcoxon77: I'm on ppc
[07:51] <trey3> jcoxon77: heh... no idea... iMac G3... and PowerMac G3  :/
[07:51] <darksatanic> I've never managed to get Samba to work. It's impossible.
[07:51] <trey3> darksatanic: not impossible... not at all
[07:51] <jcoxon77> trey3: okay - i think it is, newer macs are much easier to set up
[07:51] <LarstiQ> Scooter: you could install samba of course :)
[07:51] <LarstiQ> trey3: that's NewWorld
[07:51] <encKe`> install samba client through Synaptic
[07:51] <Scooter> I am trying to network to another linux system:/
[07:52] <LarstiQ> Scooter: no reason why linux<->linux couldn't use samba
[07:52] <trey3> encKe`: thats hardly easy... plus is installed by default...
[07:52] <trey3> doesn't fit criteria though...
[07:52] <Scooter> yea, ok
[07:52] <Scooter> Thanks
[07:52] <LarstiQ> Scooter: do you control both machines?
[07:52] <Scooter> yea both on my desk
[07:52] <trey3> Scooter: I've liked smb4k in the past... is Qt though...
[07:53] <encKe`> ummm....i just did mine
[07:53] <encKe`> 20 seconds
[07:53] <LarstiQ> Scooter: ok, I'd try that route then
[07:53] <chippa> still sluggish. it even takes a second for text to show up in the xchat text entry box when i start typing
[07:53] <trey3> Scooter: GNOME folks don't seem to care much about Smb... always had issues via nautilus etc...
[07:53] <snowblink> chippa: maybe something is running with nice at minus numbers?
[07:53] <Scooter> well, samba works for me, all it asks me is name and password.. NFS is makeing me Decypher Foo and X and Y and I have NO idea what it all means...
[07:53] <LarstiQ> chippa: is your console fast?
[07:53] <jcoxon77> Well at least 3 out of the 353 are putting there macs to good use! (I know very inaccurate) 8)
[07:54] <jcoxon77> their*
[07:54] <Scooter> all it ask me for is name nad password
[07:54] <chippa> LarstiQ, gnome-term, or a plain console? (like ctrl+alt F1?)
[07:54] <LarstiQ> chippa: a 'real' virtual one :) so ctrl-atl-f1
[07:54] <kbrooks_> lol
[07:55] <chippa> LarstiQ, a real terminal seems fine
[07:55] <hitu> hey umm how do i stop file browser from openin a new window everytime i select a file
[07:55] <chippa> top -i doesn't show any processes with "NI" anything other than 0
[07:55] <snowblink> chippa: have any zombies?
[07:55] <LarstiQ> chippa: rightio, I've been having dinner so I probably missed a lot, but did you look at what X driver you're using yet?
[07:56] <trey3> hitu: double click with center mouse button
 edit-prefrence-behavyour- check view all windsws as filebrowser, and re-start filemanager
[07:56] <chippa> LarstiQ, i'm using the ati ones
[07:56] <chippa> binary drivers
[07:56] <trey3> Scooter: thats not really what he asked... bah
[07:56] <LarstiQ> ai
[07:56] <chippa> snowblink, 0 zombie processes
[07:56] <LarstiQ> chippa: I have zero experience with those, but what card do you use?
[07:57] <hitu> Scooter: there's no such option
[07:57] <chippa> LarstiQ,  it's the X600 mobility
[07:57] <LarstiQ> chippa: oef
[07:57] <trey3> hitu: do what I said  ;)
[07:57] <LarstiQ> chippa: haven't got much choice then :)
[07:57] <hitu> wait are u talkin for nautilus
[07:57] <Scooter> sorry Check Always Open Windows In Browser ;)
[07:57] <chippa> nope
[07:57] <hitu> trey3: that didn help either
[07:57] <Scooter> yes nautalis
[07:58] <chippa> I'll try installing a later kernel and see how that goes
[07:58] <LarstiQ> chippa: good luck
[07:58] <chippa> LarstiQ, cheers
[07:58] <snowblink> chippa: heard fglrx weren't fun
[07:59] <marcin_ant> hitu: why you want to stop this innovative and beautifull spatial mode ;) ?
[07:59] <trey3> hitu: bah... for what Scooter meant.... in gconf: /apps/nautilus/preferences  -> check "always_use_browser" ... this turns off spacious mod...
[07:59] <chippa> snowblink, they're last. i'd get a different card if i could (laptop)
[07:59] <snowblink> chippa: are you xorg or xfree?
[08:00] <hitu> marcin_ant: its gay
[08:00] <chippa> snowblink, xfree
[08:00] <snowblink> chippa: have you checked gatos?
[08:00] <trey3> hitu: double click center mouse button works here though?
[08:00] <marcin_ant> hitu: :)
[08:00] <chippa> snowblink, no, what is it?
[08:00] <Scooter> yea, makes so you dont get thousands of windows open to get to a location
[08:00] <Dr_willis> i got fglrx working under Ubuntu - it was amazingly simple.
[08:00] <snowblink> chippa: http://gatos.sourceforge.net/ati.2.php
[08:00] <Scooter> reminds me of windows 3.1
[08:00] <trey3> marcin_ant: hardly innovative... just everyone else figured out its a bad idea  ;)
[08:00] <marcin_ant> hitu: I started to write solution for you but trey3 was faster
[08:00] <snowblink> chippa: I got my laptop ATI to work with that
[08:00] <hitu> ok i dont see any always_use_browser option either
[08:00] <Dr_willis> click click. install.. replace 'ati' with "fglrx' or whatever it is.. :P restartx
[08:01] <chippa> snowblink, i'll take a look, thanks
[08:01] <Dr_willis> i was amazed it was that easy lol
[08:01] <hitu> my nautilus is umm 2.8.1
[08:01] <hitu> is it old ?
[08:01] <trey3> hitu: its the first option...
[08:01] <marcin_ant> trey3: everyone except gnome developers, right ;) ?
[08:01] <trey3> marcin_ant: seriously... pretty much...
[08:02] <hitu> aah ok got it
[08:02] <trey3> marcin_ant: worst thing they have done in recent memory...
[08:02] <chippa> thanks all. back later.
[08:03] <marcin_ant> trey3: well, what can I say - hopefully we can still use "browser" mode
[08:03] <trey3> marcin_ant: you can... thats what I just had him turn on   :/
[08:03] <Scooter> perhaps i will take a break from networking, and model something, and later try to decypher the tutorial.. I want 2 linux systems, and i dont want to spend half a day re-installing windows just to share files..
[08:03] <robertj_> what are the chances of permentant hardware damage if I just unhook the cpu fan but leave the heatsync in place
[08:04] <darksatanic> robertj_: High to certain for most modern PC hardware.
[08:04] <snowblink> Scooter: do you only have linux boxen on your network?
[08:04] <LarstiQ> didn't fix it, was to be expected
[08:04] <robertj_> dark: it wont shut itself down?
[08:05] <trey3> LarstiQ: what didn't fix what?
[08:05] <LarstiQ> trey3: the long shot in the dark of upgrading to a more recent kernel in the hope there was some drm/dri interplay fouling it up
[08:06] <LarstiQ> trey3: at least this isolates it closer to dri
 yes, i just can decypher the Cryptic stuff in the tutorials for nfs , with samba i just clicked 2 times and entered name and password.. nfs want to know IP address, users, domanin, maden name , and the voltage of the clock on the wall behind me.
[08:06] <Ex-Cyber> assuming I'm not concerned with supporting a heterogeneous environment, what's the "best" (most secure/efficient) network filesystem protocol? Styx? :P
[08:06] <nir> what is the current status of horay? Is it usable like warty?
[08:07] <snowblink> Scooter: IMHO nfs is easier to setup than samba
[08:07] <Scooter> yea, i am not good with scripting :(
[08:07] <snowblink> Scooter: what do you need to script?
[08:07] <Scooter> the 2 click and name and password are easy to me
[08:07] <Peter> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:08] <Scooter> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NFSServerHOWTOUbuntu
[08:08] <Peter> any idea what that error means? i dont use xfree86, im using xorg.
[08:08] <trey3> Scooter: eh... just needs portmap, nfslock, and nfsserver loaded... (on both) ... and an entry in /etc/exports like: '/path/to/share * (perm_such_as_ro)'
[08:08] <randabis> Scooter all you have to do is add an export or two
[08:08] <trey3> then mount as normal fs ...
[08:08] <LarstiQ> Peter: either you have DRI turned off, or you're not using a video driver capable of dri
[08:08] <Peter> DRI?
[08:08] <randabis> nfs you mean
[08:08] <snowblink> Scooter: doesn't look too bad. Which bit are you worried about?
[08:08] <LarstiQ> Peter: direct rendering infrastructure, for 3d hardware accelleration
 you may need to install your display drivers...
[08:09] <randabis> it'd look something like this
[08:09] <trey3> Scooter: 'mount -t nfs -o soft IP:/path/you/shared /where/to/mount
[08:09] <trey3> '
[08:09] <Peter> i did though, xorg-driver-fglrx
 thanks, I will try that :)
[08:09] <LarstiQ> eek, again those binaries
[08:09] <LarstiQ> Peter: I'm afraid I can't help you too much with that then
[08:09] <marcin_ant> nir: hoary is sometimes unstable, some packages are not installable but it is very usable - gnome 2.9.x
[08:10] <Peter> ok then, nvm :)
[08:10] <LarstiQ> Peter: but is it giving you a problem, or just a message?
[08:10] <trey3> Scooter: can put an entry in fstab too... IP:/path/to/share /where/to/mount nfs defaults,soft 0 0
[08:10] <snowblink> Scooter: you have already setup the nfs server?
[08:10] <Peter> it isnt doing direct rendering.
[08:10] <LarstiQ> Peter: ok, then check your x config yo see if you are actually using that driver
[08:10] <randabis> oh noes, I have to type...
[08:10] <randabis> lol
[08:11] <trey3> Scooter: soft = terminate if source in unreachable... hard = crash my system please.
[08:11] <randabis> I found another nifty way to add nfs exports
[08:11] <randabis> use webmin
[08:11] <snowblink> trey3: heh you just brought back some terrible memories
[08:11] <trey3> snowblink:  ;)
 this is cool! so when I boot it will map it as a drive i can go to with file manager, neat stuff Thankyou :) <snowblink> i have downloaded and installed it. I am editing my script file now
[08:11] <lavigj> hey guys, quick question? has anyone here noticed that flash video is running faster than the audio?
[08:12] <randabis> Scooter yeah that's the great thing about nfs
[08:12] <trey3> randabis: webmin is for pussies  :(
[08:12] <randabis> trey Yeah, but it has its uses
[08:12] <Peter> LarstiQ: i see a section 'DRI', it lists mode as 0666. any idea what that means?
[08:12] <trey3> randabis: true enough... hehe .... like when you feel lazy  ;)
 i never install flash, somebody was saying something about that the other day...
[08:13] <randabis> webmin does A LOT of stuff and it's handy for administration of different servers, etc
[08:13] <LarstiQ> Peter: yup, that's exactly as you want it to be.
[08:13] <Peter> for direct rendering? ok
[08:13] <Peter> when i save this file will it automaticly use the updated settings?
[08:13] <LarstiQ> Peter: there should be a Section "Device" somewhere
[08:13] <LarstiQ> Peter: once you restart X, yes
[08:13] <trey3> Peter: when you restart X... yes...
[08:13] <trey3> 8)
[08:13] <Peter> klol
[08:13] <Peter> lol
[08:14] <trey3> Everyone keeps beating me though  :(
[08:14] <LarstiQ> trey3: try mudding
[08:14] <trey3> mudding?
[08:14] <LarstiQ> that really ups your typing speed
[08:14] <randabis> I have an advantage...anti-RSI keyboard
[08:14] <LarstiQ> trey3: multi user dungeon
[08:14] <snowblink> LarstiQ: and sucks away your life. ;)
[08:14] <LarstiQ> snowblink: that it does :)
[08:15] <LarstiQ> snowblink: so try to stop after you can type faster ;)
[08:15] <trey3> Kinda like a game? orrr?
[08:15] <vince_> have anyone successfully installed beagle with ubuntu ?
[08:15] <bitfoo> how do i increase my laptop screens brightness
[08:15] <LarstiQ> trey3: that would be client software, yes, muds are online multiplayer games
[08:16] <apokryphos> When partitioning, I get the error "There are uncorrected errors... if you continue this partition will not be used". Not really that helpful... have no idea of the errors it's talking about. Any idea on what I could do?
[08:16] <trey3> LarstiQ: ohh... so I'd need a data file from someplace?
[08:16] <LarstiQ> trey3: nope, just find a mud and login
[08:16] <apokryphos> (problem happens when formatting and making a mount point for the / partition)
[08:16] <trey3> LarstiQ: uhh... k  :)
[08:17] <LarstiQ> trey3: most allow you to telnet in and create a player right there
[08:17] <Peter> how would i find out my video cards bus identifier?
[08:17] <trey3> LarstiQ: whats a cool one to check out?
[08:17] <randabis> apokryphos, did you specifc a file system?
[08:17] <LarstiQ> Peter: lspci
[08:17] <apokryphos> randabis: Yup; ext3
[08:17] <LarstiQ> trey3: hmm, I've left the ones I played in 5 years ago
[08:17] <randabis> ok
[08:17] <trey3> LarstiQ: oh   :(
[08:18] <LarstiQ> trey3: I'll see if I can find a popular one for you
[08:18] <trey3> k  :)
[08:18] <LarstiQ> trey3: do be warned, it eats spare time
[08:18] <trey3> LarstiQ: kinda the goal  ;)
[08:20] <LarstiQ> trey3: vengeance.et.tudelft.nl is still up
[08:20] <apokryphos> anyone else have any idea why the partition problem is happening?
[08:20] <lavigj> Scooter: sorry, missed your message back there. Someone was saying their sync was off?
[08:20] <LarstiQ> trey3: not my style, but at least it's active
[08:21] <tuxer> anyone have any proble witch evolution in hoary=
[08:21] <tuxer> ?
[08:21] <Scooter> <lavigj no i am just too lame to script my nfs
[08:21] <lavigj> ok
[08:21] <klaym> http://gprime.net/images/trippy/ <- an interactive wallpaper that fits the ubuntu theme?
[08:22] <lavigj> anyone here have an issue with flash movies getting off sync?
[08:23] <JoePenguin> lavigj: I used to, until flash player version 7
[08:23] <thread> dude that f'n wallpaper is freakin me out
[08:23] <thread> heh
[08:23] <klaym> me too
[08:23] <JoePenguin> wow
[08:23] <JoePenguin> i thought it was really animated until i focused on one spot!
[08:24] <klaym> it kind of makes your eyes spin
[08:24] <lavigj> JoePenguin: dang it. I have version 7 and I still get sync issues
[08:24] <klaym> you'd be hypnotized to it if you used it as a wallpaper!
[08:25] <JoePenguin> see, now what would be cool is to actually wallpaper a room with that
[08:25] <klaym> yea, some small room with one light source and wallpaper all walls, the floor and ceiling with that
[08:25] <abusado> where did Wine Install those Windows application? what Folder?
[08:26] <hypercooljake> are there any guides for installing ubuntu on an oldworld mac?
[08:26] <lavigj> anyway, gotta go
[08:26] <abusado> where did Wine Install those Windows application? what Folder? need help here pls.
[08:26] <LarstiQ> abusado: ~/.fake_windows?
[08:27] <Ex-Cyber> wouldn't it be ~/.wine/fake_windows?
[08:27] <hypercooljake> it should be ~/.wine/fake_windows
[08:28] <abusado>  ~/.wine/fake_windows <-- wont work
[08:28] <Parallax> If I'm running a CENTRINO should I install linux-image-686 ? or stay with the 386 ??
[08:28] <abusado> ~/.fake_windows?<-- wont work too
[08:28] <bitfoo> i use 686 and i have a centrino :|
[08:28] <LarstiQ> Parallax: centrino is post 686, soo... :)
[08:29] <Parallax> does it help my computer?
[08:29] <hypercooljake> are there any guides for installing ubuntu on an oldworld mac?
[08:30] <jmhodges> Parallax: you want 686
[08:30] <Schaap> Hi, i have installed apache2 and phpbb
[08:30] <LarstiQ> hypercooljake: if not, there might be for Debian that will also work
[08:30] <Parallax> ok , thanx
[08:30] <Schaap> but phpbb is inanother folder
[08:30] <jmhodges> Parallax: that arch stuff can be confusing at first. :)
[08:30] <LarstiQ> hypercooljake: but OldWorlds are hard either way
[08:30] <Schaap> how do i create a virtual dir
[08:31] <Parallax> the thing is that the centrino is very confusing
[08:31] <jmhodges> Parallax: agreed
[08:31] <jmhodges> it seemed to me for a while that Centrino was only slightly better defined than .Net
[08:31] <bitfoo> whats confusing about it :|
[08:31] <Parallax> jmhodges: is post P4 but like a P3 !!! something weird
[08:31] <bitfoo> centrino = pentium-m + intel wireless
[08:31] <bitfoo> thats it :/
[08:31] <jmhodges> exactly
[08:32] <Ex-Cyber> Parallax: it's confusing because there really is no "the Centrino"... it's more of a marketing campaign than an actual device
[08:32] <Parallax> probably :-/
[08:33] <abusado> need help here.... cant find where WIne Install my MIRC :(
[08:33] <LarstiQ> Ex-Cyber: sounds like .Net :)
[08:33] <Orbo> help switching from gnome to fluxbox?
[08:34] <bitfoo> install flux
[08:34] <bitfoo> then choose it at gdm login
[08:34] <bitfoo> :|
[08:34] <Ex-Cyber> LarstiQ: something like that :)
[08:35] <mindphasr> abusado: Out of curiosity, why would you want to use mirc?
[08:35] <abusado> need help here.... cant find where WIne Install my MIRC :(
[08:35] <abusado> mindphasr: just a test ... i want to install WIndows based games on Ubuntu
[08:36] <mindphasr> ahh
[08:36] <abusado> yeah ... but wtf :( cant find where wine is installing all the window based programs ... im a newbie and an idiot pardon me for that
[08:37] <LarstiQ> abusado: well, you could try a find ~ | grep wine
[08:37] <LarstiQ> abusado: kinda brute force, but it should find it
[08:37] <Haukkari_> How to change the resolution of the vnc server?
[08:37] <Haukkari_> My VNC is 640x480 for some reason. :/
[08:37] <cowbud> Haukkari_: -geometry
[08:37] <cowbud> when you start the server
[08:38] <cowbud> you can't do it if it is already running
[08:38] <abusado> i found wine but cant find Mirc folder
[08:38] <Haukkari_> cowbud: ok, thanks. :)
[08:38] <LarstiQ> abusado: are you sure it installed correctly then?
[08:39] <froustschool> Can anyone tell me what sit0 is?
[08:39] <abusado> iam running mirc on the other server and so it is installed right?
[08:39] <ephic> how do i return from the bash script after pressing ctrl alt f1
[08:39] <ephic> return my my recent session
[08:39] <froustschool> ephic: your x session?
[08:39] <ephic> ya
[08:40] <froustschool> ctrl alt f7
[08:40] <LarstiQ> froustschool: ipv6 tunneling interface
[08:40] <froustschool> hrm.
[08:40] <ephic> k thanks
[08:40] <froustschool> why did it all of a sudden pop up on my box?
[08:40] <LarstiQ> froustschool: got the ipv6 kernel module loaded?
[08:40] <Soap_On_A_Roap> how do I change the design or colour of my menu bars
[08:40] <froustschool> apparently so :P
[08:40] <LarstiQ> froustschool: there you go :)
[08:41] <froustschool> thanks :)
[08:41] <Soap_On_A_Roap> how do I change the design or colour of my menu bars
[08:45] <keyshawn2> sorry soap, i dont know.
[08:45] <cowbud> Soap_On_A_Roap: calm it down...what menu bars are you referring to?
[08:45] <keyshawn2> left.
[08:45] <cowbud> jesus
[08:45] <keyshawn2> they could change their theme.
[08:45] <keyshawn2> on gnome.
[08:45] <keyshawn2> jesus ?
[08:45] <keyshawn2> referring to soap's impatience ?
[08:46] <ephic> does the ubuntu linux come with the handbook?
[08:46] <jazzka> how can I reset de X server or gdm?
[08:46] <klaym> ephic: no, but www.ubuntuguide.org is a good startup guide
[08:46] <ephic> ah ok
[08:46] <ephic> cant believe it doesnt come with docs
[08:47] <Scooter> Thanks for the help everyone :) see you all later :)
[08:47] <keknehv> Hello al
[08:47] <keknehv> all*
[08:48] <klaym> Ubuntu does have a built-in help about gnome
[08:48] <keknehv> I am going to reformat my hard-drive, so, apart from the obvious back-up-your documents, how do you export your keys from gpg?
[08:48] <klaym> I don't know if there is a more accurate one somewhere
[08:49] <jazzka> wich repository should I use to use transparencies?
[08:50] <jazzka> I need xcompmgr, transset and fdclock
[08:50] <LarstiQ> jazzka: universe
[08:50] <Ex-Cyber> jazzka: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm reload, then log out of your X session
[08:53] <keknehv> So... what are the gpg commands to export and import private or public keys?
[08:54] <robertj_> I think I've arrived at a perfect solution to my computer noise woes
[08:55] <robertj_> I just need a $3 20 foot VGA extension cable a $3 PS2 -> USB adapter so I can use my keyboard through my USB hub, and a $4 connection to extend my speaker wires
[08:58] <keknehv> robertj_: That's one way to reduce noticed noise... interesting. Ever considered drilling a hole through the wall and wiring your in-out cables through it?
[08:58] <robertj_> keknehv: I'm moving in a few years and I've got a closet right next to my desk
[08:58] <penguinitus> ...loves drilling holes in walls ;)
[08:59] <robertj_> also Im planning on buying a new machine in 6 months
[08:59] <robertj_> this machine is already 6 months old
[09:00] <robertj_> and i've got my $300 out of it
[09:00] <robertj_> maybe i should try to sell the thing
[09:02] <keknehv> $300 dollars for a comp? How?
[09:03] <robertj_> $500 + 200 rebate
[09:03] <robertj_> 2.8 gig celeron 512 ram cdrw dvd reader
[09:04] <keknehv> Nice
[09:05] <keknehv> I'm using a pretty bad computer right now, about 6 years old, ~700 mhz
[09:05] <keknehv> Still working on getting counter-strike running on linux :D
[09:06] <Quest-Master> robertj_: Where'd you get that computer from? It is better than mine
[09:06] <robertj_> Quest: Office Depot
[09:06] <robertj_> Dell runs an offer once a month with a "bottom of the line" machine + a 17" LCD from $500
[09:06] <Usagi> Hi, erm, i installed apache2, but everytime i goto localhost i get redirected to apache2-default
[09:06] <Usagi> How do i disable it?
[09:06] <robertj_> they run two slighlty different versions
[09:07] <LarstiQ> Usagi: check your DocumentRoot
[09:07] <robertj_> one works out to be $500 with 512 megs, the other $550 with 512 megs but the $550 deal has a slightly bigger hard drive and agp slot, theo ther has pci only
[09:07] <penguinitus> walmart has some great deals on comp, last time I saw a 2.8 ghz pentium, dvd/cd rw 80gb 512 for like $499
[09:07] <Usagi> aha, i need to set it to /var/www/ ?
[09:07] <robertj_> penguin: but get a Dell with a flat panel at the same price
[09:07] <penguinitus> no, no flat panel...but who needs a flat panel
[09:07] <robertj_> that's probably what I will do next time
[09:08] <LarstiQ> Usagi: you could, or /var/www/somesite in case you want to use vhosts etc
[09:08] <penguinitus> I bought one form office depot and took it back the next day...they suck..
[09:08] <robertj_> penguin: you only pay $50 for the thing, you can hock it on ebay for a profit
[09:08] <penguinitus> unless you spend 500 for a good one
[09:08] <robertj_> plus the ultra sharps are pretty good
[09:08] <LarstiQ> Usagi: for some reason, your name rings a bell
[09:08] <robertj_> penguin: your wrong
[09:08] <Quest-Master> Guys, my friend can't get apt-get working behind a proxy
[09:08] <flodin> grr wth, all my bookmarks seem to have disappeared after upgrading to firefox 1.0
[09:08] <Quest-Master> But he can connect to the Internet just find
[09:08] <robertj_> the dell flat panel is good flat panel (not the very best) and dirt cheap
[09:08] <Quest-Master> *fine
[09:08] <robertj_> only if you get it bundled in at the $500 price point
[09:09] <penguinitus> if you're happy with it...then I'm happy - but I'll stick with my crt
[09:09] <robertj_> Dell runs some rediculous deals
[09:09] <robertj_> You can get a power edge for < $250
[09:09] <penguinitus> then one I bought was a kds, supposedly $300 w/ $100 mail in rebate and it sucked
[09:10] <popey> Quest-Master, has he set the environment variable "http_proxy=http://hisproxyserver:portnumber/"  ?
[09:10] <robertj_> I've got a MultiSync FE950+ 19" so I'm not in a hurry
[09:10] <robertj_> but when I buy a new machine I sure plan to spend the $500 to get the Dell which will be quieter and include the flat panel
[09:10] <popey> mmmmm flat panels
[09:10] <Usagi> LarstiQ, nah, cant be, ive only been to freenode a few times, alle ubunto related and never did anything big
[09:10] <popey> http://www.popey.com/drool.gif
[09:11] <robertj_> actually, if you catch it on sale the price difference is $150
[09:11] <Usagi> maybe some one els used this nick
[09:11] <Usagi> or a different server
[09:11] <robertj_> you get the machine for $350 instead of $500 but they run the sales at different times
[09:11] <LarstiQ> Usagi: today is the first day I'm here :)
[09:11] <Usagi> ahaa
[09:11] <Usagi> well then
[09:11] <Usagi> welcome :D
[09:11] <Quest-Master> popey: yes
[09:11] <robertj_> Hot: Dell Biz: Dimension 4700 desktop P4-2.8GHz 800FSB 17in LCD $499 shipped AR, Last Day
[09:11] <snowblink> LarstiQ: Usagi Yojimbo is the name of a samurai rabbit...
[09:11] <robertj_> that's at xpbargains.com right now
[09:12] <popey> Quest-Master, does he have control over the proxy?
[09:12] <Usagi> Or that
[09:12] <popey> Quest-Master, what error does he get?
[09:12] <Usagi> Usagi is japanese for bunny :)
[09:12] <popey> Quest-Master, is it an authenticating (windows / NTLM) proxy?
[09:12] <Usagi> or rabbit
[09:12] <neofeed> anyone using OpenTTD on ubuntu? and expiriencen SLOW redraws?
[09:12] <LarstiQ> snowblink: don't know the rabbit, but I do know the USAGI ipv6 project :)
[09:12] <robertj_> so my days of BYO boxen are over
[09:12] <kbrooks_> Usagi, ;)
[09:12] <Quest-Master> popey: He can connect to the internet just fine.. apt-get is having problems
[09:13] <popey> "connect to the internet" means little
[09:13] <popey> how can he connect..
[09:13] <Quest-Master> Like, he gets online automatically
[09:13] <popey> "having problems" doesn't describe the problem enough.. error messages?
[09:13] <Quest-Master> He's chatting to me right now. :\
[09:13] <Usagi> lol, www is usually hte first to go
[09:13] <Quest-Master> It just says, "can't resolve: packagenamerehere" for everything
[09:13] <Usagi> aptget always works :p
[09:13] <Usagi> ifn ot, my lan calbe is out
[09:14] <popey> get him to type "env" and check http_proxy variable
[09:14] <LarstiQ> Usagi: probably that then, barring Dutch channels on other networks
[09:14] <Usagi> Glad you check the addresses :D
[09:14] <LarstiQ> Usagi: Schaap was pretty obvious without that ;)
[09:14] <Usagi> But then again, on efnet, im known as Schaap ;p
[09:15] <Usagi> mostly Xbox related
[09:15] <zerokarmaleft> anyone know what version of the inotify patch was applied to linux-sources-2.6.10?
[09:15] <kbrooks_> oic
[09:15] <LarstiQ> Usagi: Xbox demo related?
[09:16] <Usagi> ?
[09:16] <Usagi> No, Just in general
[09:16] <Usagi> liek modding
[09:16] <Usagi> like\
[09:16] <LarstiQ> well, that's required for xbox demos to work
[09:17] <Usagi> ?
[09:17] <Usagi> then i think we have different meanings with the word demo
[09:17] <Usagi> demo is afaik demonstration or a sample
[09:18] <Usagi> unless you use demo to refer to illigal games etc
[09:18] <UZi`> I have just installed ubuntu on my computer, to install it I had to disable USB during installation. Now that it is installed, I cannot boot to it, it hangs on hotplug.
[09:18] <Usagi> but then you must be the only one :)
[09:18] <LarstiQ> Usagi: nope, in the scene.org sense of demo
[09:19] <kbrooks_> Usagi, may i call you your nickname's translation :P
[09:19] <LarstiQ> Usagi: like, http://scene.org/file.php?file=%2Fparties%2F2004%2Fscene_event04%2Fdemo%2Fkaleido-polar_bear_alert.zip&fileinfo
[09:20] <gort_> anyone here using jbuild with hoary?
[09:20] <gort_> jhbuild that is
[09:20] <Usagi> oh btw, DocumentRoot
[09:20] <gort_> i can't seem to find some dependencis
[09:20] <Usagi> where should i find that>
[09:20] <Usagi> ?
[09:20] <Usagi> its not in apache.conf
[09:20] <tuhl> Is ist possible to use the "old" misc-fixed font for gnome-terminal?
[09:20] <Usagi> its not in apache2.conf
[09:20] <ephic> can you access other drives from within ubuntu?
[09:20] <gort_> what packages provide the following:
[09:20] <gort_> jgbiggs@osiris:~/bin $ ./jhbuild sanitycheck
[09:20] <gort_> Could not find DocBook XML DTD V4.1.2 in XML catalog
[09:20] <gort_> Could not find DocBook XSL Stylesheets in XML catalog
[09:20] <LarstiQ> Usagi: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* ?
[09:20] <LarstiQ> ephic: sure
[09:20] <gort_> i have tried a bunch of xml / xsl dockbook stuff with no luck
[09:20] <UZi`> ephic: you can mount other drives with fstab
[09:21] <Usagi> aha
[09:21] <Usagi> ok
[09:21] <ephic> wait.
[09:21] <ephic> mount..
[09:21] <ephic> i just want to look around the drive, and transport files
[09:21] <ephic> no need to mount
[09:21] <LarstiQ> Usagi: I suspect you only have a 'default' entry in there
[09:21] <UZi`> maybe ln command could work
[09:21] <UZi`> man ln
[09:21] <LarstiQ> ephic: if you want to copy files around, you'll need to mount
[09:22] <ephic> ah ok
[09:22] <UZi`> yep.
[09:22] <ephic> i see.
[09:22] <UZi`> try and check with ln tho
[09:22] <ephic> i could have swore i seen my other disk drive on here the other day somewhere
[09:22] <LarstiQ> UZi`: I doubt he wants ln?
[09:22] <UZi`> maybe there is an option that allows you to copy withough mount
[09:22] <ephic> ya
[09:23] <LarstiQ> Usagi: found it?
[09:24] <UZi`> is there a way to disable USB when hotplug start ?
[09:24] <LarstiQ> UZi`: why would you want that?
[09:24] <UZi`> bcoz i think my USB is making my ubuntu hang
[09:24] <LarstiQ> UZi`: it is possible, sure, but it kinda defeats the purpose
[09:25] <LarstiQ> UZi`: ah, in that case :)
[09:25] <Usagi> Yup, i found it
[09:25] <UZi`> it's in dev/hptplug ?
[09:25] <UZi`> it's in dev/hotplug ?
[09:25] <LarstiQ> UZi`: easiest would be not having any usb modules around
[09:25] <Usagi> just added a # infront of redirectingmatch
[09:25] <LinuxJones> UZi`, were you by any chance messing around in your system's bios ?
[09:25] <UZi`> my system is not common
[09:25] <Usagi> i just needed a push :p
[09:25] <UZi`> i can't install most of the linux
[09:26] <UZi`> what is the command ?
[09:26] <Usagi> was btw in sites-available
[09:26] <Usagi> enable only contained a dir :D
[09:26] <Usagi> hardiharhar
[09:26] <LarstiQ> Usagi: no symlink from enabled to available?
[09:26] <UZi`> so, i have to play in /dev/hotplug ?
[09:26] <LarstiQ> (as in, in the dirs to the entries)
[09:27] <Usagi> dunno
[09:27] <Usagi> i did cd default
[09:27] <Usagi> then ls
[09:27] <LarstiQ> UZi`: ehm, if you have usb kernel modules, move them to a safe place
[09:27] <Usagi> nothing showed up
[09:27] <LarstiQ> ah wel
[09:27] <Usagi> so i went to available
[09:28] <Usagi> if it cant be done the way it should, then it should be done the way it can :)
[09:28] <LarstiQ> feh, no crash this time :(
[09:28] <UZi`> where are the modules ?
[09:28] <LarstiQ> UZi`: /lib/modules/`uname -r`/
[09:28] <Quest-Master> Can someone link me to an ATI driver installation guide for Ubuntu?
[09:28] <Quest-Master> For my friend, again
[09:29] <ephic> you can just do a search for that.
[09:29] <ephic> ubuntuguide.org
[09:29] <LarstiQ> Quest-Master: if he has a 9200 or less, just the standard X driver will do, otherwise, fgrlx from restricted I think
[09:29] <LarstiQ> Quest-Master: or what ephic said :)
[09:29] <Usagi> ubuntu only needs a few more things to make it perfect
[09:30] <Usagi> 1 location where all the uninstall symlinks are
[09:30] <Usagi> to easely uninstall stuff
[09:30] <ephic> ubuntu tears a hole in gentoo.
[09:30] <ephic> especially installation-wise
[09:30] <Usagi> even when u didnt use aptget
[09:30] <ephic> and synaptic beats portage.
[09:30] <ephic> being as you view all packages
[09:30] <Usagi> and soem sort of start button, so i can find links to everything i installed
[09:31] <ephic> and click and install
[09:31] <Quest-Master> LarstiQ: What should he do after install fgrlx?
[09:31] <ephic> usagi, ubuntu sets up everything you need
[09:31] <Usagi> im afraid i once will run out of space not knowing anymore what i installedm or how to get rid of it :*
[09:31] <Usagi> :(
[09:31] <ephic> ah i see.
[09:31] <ephic> just run nautilus
[09:32] <Usagi> but apt-get is always a version behind
[09:32] <ephic> to get rid of unwanted garbage
[09:32] <Usagi> well, you still have to know things
[09:32] <LarstiQ> Quest-Master: make sure that driver is used in your X config, and then it should just work
[09:32] <ephic> well i mean ya, you have to know where it is, just watch where you install
[09:32] <Usagi> one of the few things windows has over linux is some sort of software managment
[09:32] <Usagi> that configuration screen
[09:32] <Usagi> has a list of everything installed
[09:33] <Usagi> and you can remove it
[09:33] <ephic> ah i see
[09:33] <Usagi> and ofcourse mirc
[09:33] <ephic> ya
[09:33] <LarstiQ> tsk
[09:33] <Usagi> linux has nothing as good as mirc
[09:33] <LarstiQ> Usagi: I disagree there
[09:33] <ephic> what??
[09:33] <ephic> ya thats not true
[09:33] <Usagi> but then again i love aptget :)
[09:33] <LarstiQ> (on the irc and software management fronts both)
[09:34] <Usagi> LarstiQ, , ok i just installed openoffice, 1.1.4
[09:34] <Usagi> not via aptget
[09:34] <LarstiQ> Usagi: bad idea :)
[09:34] <Usagi> how do i open the tekst thing
[09:34] <Usagi> no
[09:34] <ephic> the only thing i can say dissapoints me about linux is non support for some xp specific devices.. and game compatibility
[09:34] <sid77> hi
[09:34] <Usagi> the aptget didnt have dutch spellcheck
[09:34] <LarstiQ> Usagi: tekst thing?
[09:35] <Usagi> yeah, openoffice has spreadsheet, presentation and the word like part
[09:35] <zazeem> anyone know the link to the support where it tells how to install nvidia stuff??
[09:35] <LarstiQ> Usagi: iirc, you can drop the dutch dictionary right in
[09:35] <zazeem> think its somewhere at ubuntus site cant find'
[09:35] <ephic> zazeem: ubuntuguide.org
[09:35] <LarstiQ> Usagi: I just fire up 'openoffice', and I'm in Writer
[09:35] <Usagi> i want to write a sollicitation letter and let openoffice check for errors
[09:36] <Usagi> and typos
[09:36] <zazeem> ephic,thnx <3
[09:36] <LarstiQ> Usagi: well, tried launching openoffice like that?
[09:36] <ephic> zazeem: any time
[09:36] <Usagi> yes
[09:36] <LarstiQ> and?
[09:36] <Usagi> with a commanod thingy in the bottom of my bar
[09:36] <Usagi> has a (?)
[09:36] <ephic> oh boy, java was such a pain in the @#Q$ to get working.
[09:36] <Usagi> Soffice works tho
[09:36] <ephic> still cant configure it for firefox, but works fine in mozilla
[09:37] <Usagi> and it launces OOo
[09:37] <LarstiQ> Usagi: ok, there should be a 'New -> Writer / Document' something
[09:37] <Usagi> yeah
[09:37] <Usagi> that did work
[09:37] <ephic> any good c++ IDE compilers for linux anyone know off hand?
[09:37] <zazeem> thats not the right one ephic the one i need is like yellow background black text the guy wrote how he installed his nvidia drivers
[09:37] <Usagi> but, i had to search on how to launch it
[09:37] <Usagi> on google
[09:38] <Usagi> not with start - programs -OOo writer
[09:38] <LarstiQ> ephic: I prefer vim and a shell, but have a look at kdevelop/eclipse
[09:38] <zazeem> ??
[09:38] <ephic> zazeem: what video card are you using?
[09:38] <zazeem> nvidia
[09:38] <LarstiQ> Usagi: euh, just launch from your console :)
[09:38] <Usagi> wich is something WIn has over linux ( or gnome)
[09:38] <ephic> zazeem: it should have picked up on it automatically
[09:38] <zazeem> i installed from synaptic didnt work
[09:38] <zazeem> yes but theres another thing i need to do
[09:38] <ephic> zazeem: are you trying to update the nv drivers?
[09:38] <LarstiQ> Usagi: no, that has to do with how you installed openoffice
[09:38] <zazeem> i reinstalled ubuntu
[09:39] <LarstiQ> Usagi: there are perfect methods for registering in menus, but that is packaging dependant
[09:39] <Usagi> well, ./install is what i did
[09:39] <zazeem> its a pagw where it lists in steps what to do
[09:39] <Usagi> with root
[09:39] <Usagi> then as user soffice
[09:39] <zazeem> to install
[09:39] <ephic> zazeem: oh not sure about the site you viewed
[09:39] <Guardiann> zazeem here you go http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=15
[09:39] <LarstiQ> Usagi: right, through the package management system you shouldn't have had that problem
[09:39] <ephic> thank you guardiann..
[09:39] <ephic> lol wasnt sure what to say
[09:39] <Usagi> well, but that limits me to use aptget
[09:40] <Usagi> wich is always a few versions behind
[09:40] <Usagi> and maybe its me but i liketo have to newest version
[09:40] <LarstiQ> Usagi: it's you :)
[09:40] <Usagi> and not belimited untill a deb version arrives
[09:40] <Guardiann> yw
[09:40] <LarstiQ> Usagi: for one thing, repositories aren't a few versions behind perse, rather, with glibc and such they are ahead
[09:41] <LarstiQ> Usagi: imho, you should spend effort at getting the packages you care about packaged instead
[09:42] <LarstiQ> Usagi: unless your business depends on having the latest version of something, in which case you're pulling right from version control anyway
[09:43] <dcstimm> hey guys, I am trying to fix my sisters computer, all she has is a ubuntu live cd, I want her to install ubuntu fully, but she needs to download the iso, if she downloads the iso will it fill up the ramdisk?
[09:43] <dcstimm> the harddrive is blown I believe
[09:44] <zazeem> hi
[09:44] <dcstimm> so if she starts downloading it she cant save it to the harddrive
[09:44] <zazeem> what the command to shutoff and start the x server
[09:45] <mbp_> dcstimm: what are you going to do with the install cd if the harddrive doesn't work?
[09:45] <Usagi> alt+ctrl+backspace?
[09:45] <LarstiQ> dcstimm: in that case, you want to replace the harddisk first methinks
[09:45] <mbp_> zazeem: or /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:45] <dcstimm> mbp_, two computers
[09:45] <zazeem> thnx
[09:45] <maximaus> dcstimm, get a new harddrive. They're cheap.
[09:45] <dcstimm> maximaus, you dont understand
[09:46] <mbp_> oh
[09:46] <dcstimm> maximaus, she has a machine that works perfectly, but it cant boot the livecd and it doesnt have a cdburner
[09:46] <mbp_> only the broken computer has net access?
[09:46] <mbp_> ok
[09:46] <ephic> Anyone tried to run unreal tournament 2004 using nvidia? and got this:::::Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:46] <ephic> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:46] <ephic> Signal: SIGSEGV [segmentation fault] 
[09:46] <ephic> Aborting.
[09:46] <dcstimm> the machine that does boot the livecd and has a cdburner does not have a harddrive
[09:46] <mbp_> dcstimm: well, if you have >700MB RAM  on the connected computer you're OK
[09:46] <ephic> would i need to isntall nvidia-glx?
[09:46] <dcstimm> mbp_, yeah thats what I figured, she does
[09:46] <mbp_> ie enough to hold a CD in memory
[09:46] <LarstiQ> dcstimm: or, put the harddrive from the machine-to-install-to in the burner-machine, and install on that, then put it back
[09:47] <maximaus> dcstimm, order a cd from the Ubuntu site if they're still shipping or from another place o the web. ;)
[09:47] <dcstimm> LarstiQ, she cant do that, she is on the phone with me
[09:47] <Pluk> lol just dissapointed my GF, told her my provider didnt do ipv6... she is such a nerd
[09:47] <dcstimm> maximaus, she has the old non livecd, but it just gives her a command line, and she cant startx
[09:47] <mbp_> dcstimm: so i don't have the livecd running at the moment
[09:47] <mbp_> but what i think you want to do is
[09:48] <mbp_> mount a tmpfs somewhere
[09:48] <mbp_> uh
[09:48] <mbp_> i hope she has a fast net connection?
[09:48] <dcstimm> cable
[09:48] <mbp_> ok
[09:48] <snowrichard> how could I install apache? it is not in the dselect list and there is no gcc loaded. ? ? ?
[09:48] <dcstimm> ill just mail her a mandrake cd or something
[09:48] <mbp_> and, obviously, if her machine gets powered off she will lose everything
[09:48] <LarstiQ> dcstimm: woops :)
[09:48] <mbp_> dcstimm: so,
[09:48] <mbp_> # mkdir /mnt/dl
[09:49] <dcstimm> mbp_, i know how to do that
[09:49] <mbp_> # mount -t tmpfs -o size=800M none /mnt/dl
[09:49] <mbp_> download into that
[09:49] <Usagi> brb as Schaap
[09:49] <dcstimm> mbp_, but I wont be able to tell her how to do that over the phone
[09:49] <mbp_> then burn it, etc
[09:49] <mbp_> well, can you ssh in to her machine?
[09:49] <zazeem> anyone know why i dont have audi only in games?
[09:50] <dcstimm> mbp_, tried that, even more confusing for her
[09:50] <zazeem> :>
[09:50] <Guardiann> still have not fixed the sound trouble zazeem?
[09:50] <dcstimm> mbp_, she moved out the the state I live in, now she has a computer problem and I cant help her with it
[09:50] <zazeem> nope
[09:50] <zazeem> its fine in ubuntu gui but not in games :'(
[09:50] <Guardiann> xmms doesnt work either?
[09:50] <zazeem> xmms/
[09:50] <zazeem> ?
[09:50] <Guardiann> ah ok
[09:51] <zazeem> i can listen to music and movies
[09:51] <Guardiann> well you got that part fixed
[09:51] <zazeem> that was nevera prob
[09:51] <zazeem> guardian
[09:51] <zazeem> wheres the update part on the site
[09:51] <zazeem> where u can updates ources
[09:51] <zazeem> i reinstalled ubuntu again lol
[09:51] <zazeem> so i have win xp and ubu
[09:52] <zazeem> :)
[09:52] <zazeem> ownage
[09:52] <Guardiann> the site your askig about is www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:52] <mbp_> dcstimm: i suggest you go and see her :-)
[09:52] <mbp_> or mail a CD :-)
[09:52] <zazeem> danke
[09:55] <dcarter_> Hey guys, I'm trying to install ubu but the system hangs at boot after "Checking for popad bug... OK."  Any ideas?
[09:58] <Schaap> This is me from windows :p
[09:58] <Schaap> and liking it ;)
[09:59] <LarstiQ> Schaap: as you wish :p
[09:59] <CreeVal> This is me from Ubuntu and loving it! :D
[10:00] <will_> mmmm ubuntu...mmmm
[10:00] <CreeVal> :D
[10:01] <eli_> Anybody installed phpmyadmin in ubuntu?
[10:01] <Schaap> just did eli
[10:01] <Schaap> then ranoff to my windows PC
[10:01] <Schaap> so i think its finished by now :p
[10:01] <eli_> IHi Schaap: did you synaptic?
[10:01] <Schaap> apt-get
[10:01] <Schaap> but its the same
[10:02] <Schaap> i just like command line better
[10:02] <Schaap> still is guessing tho, on what files are available
[10:02] <julio> yeah.
[10:02] <julio> when i know exactly what i want, i use apt-get. otherwise, i use synaptics.
[10:02] <eli_> I get this: "Failed to apply changes. Scroll in this buffer to see what went wrong", but there is not buffer!!
[10:03] <Schaap> let me vnc to my Linux
[10:03] <eli_> What is the command line with apt-get?
[10:03] <Schaap> sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin
[10:04] <LarstiQ> password:
[10:04] <Schaap> or anyother package name
[10:04] <eli_> Using apt-get I get: "dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `backuppc' in statusoverride file"
[10:04] <dcarter_> apt-cache search is very useful for finding packages, when you don't want to run synaptic.
[10:05] <Schaap> ahaa
[10:05] <linuxwig> do any of you by any chance have a dell 2005fpw?
[10:05] <linuxwig> i can't seem to convince xfree86 to use 1680x1050
[10:05] <eli_> the user backuppc is from another package called backupppc that I have removed.
[10:05] <Schaap> dcarter_ and how do i see where everything is installed too?
[10:06] <dcarter_> Schaap: not sure if that's possible =)
[10:06] <Schaap> damnit
[10:06] <Schaap> still need synaptic then
[10:07] <linuxwig> Schaap: you can use dpkg -S to find what package something belongs to
[10:07] <Schaap> btw, why arent there any ops in here?
[10:07] <linuxwig> or dpkg -L to list all the files in a certain package
[10:07] <Schaap> Yeah, ok but for example
[10:07] <Schaap> i installed phpbb
[10:07] <Schaap> 2
[10:07] <Schaap> i checked var www
[10:07] <Schaap> nothing there
[10:07] <clparker> ubuntu
[10:07] <LinkMasterSab> Okay, I can't get my damned modem working still.
[10:07] <Schaap> so i had to go to synaptic
[10:08] <Schaap> to see where it did installed too
[10:08] <Schaap> wich was usr something
[10:08] <LinkMasterSab> I'm real close to just giving up on Linux
[10:08] <kbrooks_> LinkMasterSab, LTNS!
[10:08] <Schaap> LinkMasterSab, no one will blame you ;)
[10:09] <Schaap> linux is only for the strong, i keep with it, even though, i like windows better :p
[10:09] <LinkMasterSab> Is Linux's main feature pissing off users?
[10:09] <Schaap> Yup
[10:09] <kbrooks_> LinkMasterSab,
[10:09] <LinkMasterSab> It's doing a damned good job
[10:09] <LinkMasterSab> kbrooks
[10:09] <Schaap> Once you get passed that
[10:09] <kbrooks_> ltns
[10:09] <LinkMasterSab> What is ltns
[10:09] <LarstiQ> Schaap: dpkg -L <package> ?
[10:09] <MrBIOS-> LinkMasterSab, linux is a kernel
[10:09] <kbrooks_> long time no see
[10:09] <MrBIOS-> that's it
[10:09] <Schaap> you can ask alot of money from ppl that need your help with linux :p
[10:09] <LinkMasterSab> Yes, I know that. But every distro I touch hates me.
[10:09] <kbrooks_> MrBIOS-, stfu. linux isnt just a kernel
[10:09] <LarstiQ> Schaap: or you can clean windows pcs from spyware for a living
[10:10] <MrBIOS-> thats the distro's problem, not Linux's.
[10:10] <MrBIOS-> kbrooks_, no, it's not.
[10:10] <MrBIOS-> There are linux *BASED* OS'
[10:10] <Schaap> LarstiQ, i already do that :D
[10:10] <MrBIOS-> Linux in and of itself is useless.
[10:10] <LinkMasterSab> Don't be so anal
[10:10] <Schaap> gets me 20 euros every time :P
[10:10] <LarstiQ> Schaap: welcome to the club
[10:10] <usual> has anyone else experienced double clicking in nautilus crashing X windows in hoary?
[10:10] <LarstiQ> usual: woha
[10:10] <usual> very rare but it happened twice to me
[10:10] <kakalto> how exactly do I download a package, without installing it?
[10:10] <kakalto> is it just sudo apt-get <file>?
[10:10] <Schaap> i have avg and adaware on my usbstick
[10:11] <LinkMasterSab> kbrooks: Oh.
[10:11] <usual> apt-get -d i think
[10:11] <LarstiQ> kakalto: apt-get -d
[10:11] <usual> apt-get --help
[10:11] <LinkMasterSab> kbrooks: Okay, yeah, hi.
[10:11] <Schaap> sudo apt-get install
[10:11] <kakalto> cheers
[10:11] <LarstiQ> Schaap: bootable usb stick?
[10:11] <Schaap> ooh
[10:11] <LinkMasterSab> I still need to get this modem working
[10:11] <Schaap> nvm me
[10:11] <Schaap> nah
[10:11] <usual> LarstiQ, yea its weird
[10:11] <LinkMasterSab> I mean, I bought this U.S. Robotics controller-based modem
[10:11] <LinkMasterSab> Rather expensive too
[10:11] <Schaap> not yet
[10:11] <LinkMasterSab> And it still doesn't fucking work
[10:11] <Schaap> need one though
[10:11] <kbrooks_> LinkMasterSab, buy a ethernet modem
[10:11] <LarstiQ> usual: it's always an X bug if that happens, but the package might have it's own bug exposing it
[10:11] <LinkMasterSab> I'm about to just format my Linux hard drive and make it extra Windows storage again
[10:12] <LinkMasterSab> kbrooks: Buy me an ethernet connection
[10:12] <LinkMasterSab> kbrooks: broadband*
[10:12] <LarstiQ> LinkMasterSab: come live in .nl
[10:12] <kbrooks_> LinkMasterSab, huh? don't go overkill please
[10:12] <clparker> your modem probly ins't ;inux compaible
[10:12] <usual> LarstiQ, yea, it's weird usually happens if I have a nautilus browser open and the theme changer,
[10:12] <kbrooks_> LinkMasterSab, i can help you
[10:12] <LinkMasterSab> clparker: "Works with Linux and Windows"
[10:13] <LinkMasterSab> On the damned box >:
[10:13] <dcarter_> haha
[10:13] <LarstiQ> usual: It's not unheard of, but I mostly only get that with my opengl hacks
[10:13] <chippa> hi again all. is it possible to get xorg packages on warty, without having to upgrade to hoary?(i dont want the unstable gnome etc)
[10:13] <LinkMasterSab> kbrooks: Can you? :o
[10:13] <dcarter_> that definitely doesn't mean anything, LinkMaster.
[10:13] <dcarter_> think ATI.
[10:13] <dcarter_> =)
[10:13] <LinkMasterSab> It was the model someone told me to go get
[10:13] <kbrooks_> LinkMasterSab, yes
[10:13] <LinkMasterSab> And I don't even remember who pointed me at it
[10:13] <Schaap> where did all the ops go btw?
[10:13] <LinkMasterSab> :(
[10:13] <kbrooks_> Schaap,
[10:13] <LinkMasterSab> kbrooks: Help then :(
[10:13] <LarstiQ> Schaap: no ops on freenode
[10:13] <kbrooks_> THERE ARE OPS HERE
[10:13] <Schaap> wtf
[10:14] <Schaap> weird server
[10:14] <kbrooks_> LarstiQ, stfu
[10:14] <LarstiQ> Schaap: it's not efnet :)
[10:14] <kbrooks_> Schaap, listen
[10:14] <LarstiQ> kbrooks_: rather true though
[10:14] <Schaap> then who are the ones we cant insult?
[10:14] <kbrooks_> Schaap, there are ops here
[10:14] <Schaap> ppl that change topics
[10:14] <LarstiQ> but I'll let kbrooks_ explain
[10:14] <Schaap> ppl that ban
[10:14] <Schaap> or kick
[10:15] <kbrooks_> Schaap, pm me
[10:16] <bitfoo> is there a gnome netapplet for ubuntu?
[10:16] <bitfoo> i want to be able to browse wireless networks :|
[10:17] <marcin_ant> bitfoo: you mean "NetworkManager" from redhat?
[10:17] <bitfoo> i mean netapplet
[10:17] <Usagi> Hi Schaap
[10:17] <Schaap> Hi usagi
[10:17] <Schaap> im talking to myself:D
[10:17] <Usagi> I know
[10:17] <Schaap> :p
[10:18] <gepp1> Anyone in here know about jackit?
[10:18] <Schaap> Usagi, You shall disappear!
[10:18] <Schaap> i told him
[10:18] <Schaap> :p
[10:19] <marcin_ant> bitfoo: add universe repo to apt-get
[10:19] <LarstiQ> gepp1: yes
[10:20] <gepp1> LarstiQ:  Is there any chance of it ever catching on?
[10:20] <LarstiQ> gepp1: sure, I think it already has?
[10:20] <macewan> damn i love coffee
[10:20] <gepp1> LarstiQ:  As it is, there are very few applications that use it.
[10:20] <chippa> marcin_ant, can NetworkManager run on ubuntu?
[10:20] <gort_> i can't get many *.wmv or *.mpg videos to play in totem (hoary) what packages do i need?  (apt-get can't find w32codecs)
[10:21] <gepp1> LarstiQ:  The Ubuntu packages for it are largely broken.
[10:21] <gepp1> gort:  You'll need to add other sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list marillat is a good one.  Try googling.
[10:21] <chippa> gort_, you need the marillat repo
[10:22] <chippa> "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main" and for win32codecs. and install totem-xine from universe
[10:22] <gepp1> LarstiQ:  The other thing;  even though it is good about latency, I'm getting lots of dropout, even with realtime enabled.
[10:22] <marcin_ant> chippa: well I installed this from experimental packages but it created big mess in my network settings and it currently doesn't support ppp connections
[10:22] <marcin_ant> chippa: so I removed this tool very quickly
[10:23] <chippa> marcin_ant, ah right. i hear it's meant to be easy(on fedora, anyway). i cant get my wlan to work, see
[10:23] <LarstiQ> gepp1: hmm, what amounts are you thinking of when you say 'very few'?
[10:23] <gort_> chippa,  i am giving the gstreamer-plugins(all) package a try first.
[10:23] <gort_> thanks, i figured it would be some licensing issue to have them in a "maintstream" reop
[10:23] <LarstiQ> gepp1: and qua drop outs, might want to patch your kernel
[10:23] <gort_> repo
[10:23] <chippa> how does one set up an ad-hoc network using the network-admin tool? i want my laptop to connect to my desktop, but how do i set the desktop to act as an access point through its pci wireless network card?
[10:24] <gepp1> LarstiQ:  Well, Hydrogen, Ardour, XMMS... I have some applications happily working together, but the majority of things aren't JACK-enabled.  The gstreamer-jack package is broken, it appears.
[10:24] <chippa> i can only see a way of connecting TO networks, and not for creating an access
[10:24] <gepp1> LarstiQ:  How do you use the JACK plugin for ALSA?  I've downloaded libasound2-plugins, which is supposed to be the JACK plugin, but I'm not sure how to use it.
[10:24] <LarstiQ> gepp1: ah, don't know about gstreamer
[10:25] <gepp1> LarstiQ:  Alright.  XINE doesn't seem to be supported, and I don't really like MPlayer, but that's just preference.
[10:25] <bitfoo> :|
[10:25] <LarstiQ> gepp1: I'm only interested in producing sound, sequencers and synths. So if playback things are lacking, I wouldn't notice
[10:25] <kakalto> how exactly do I burn a cd?
[10:25] <commodude28> How I fix a scancode error.. I can't type anything in a console without getting one
[10:25] <gepp1> LarstiQ:  Ah, alright.
[10:25] <chippa> any knowledgable wireless networking people around? :)
[10:25] <zhukov_> hi everyone
[10:25] <bitfoo> so LarstiQ you use ardour and audacity?
[10:25] <zhukov_> nedd help please!!!!
[10:25] <Guardiann> kakalto an iso?
[10:26] <LarstiQ> bitfoo: I do use audacity from time to time, but not ardour
[10:26] <gepp1> LarstiQ:  As far as patching my kernel to fix dropouts;  isn't the realtime patch supposed to be relatively dangerous/insecure?
[10:26] <zhukov_> troubles partitioning
[10:26] <zhukov_> :S
[10:26] <kakalto> Guardiann, no, just files I have on my hdd
[10:26] <LarstiQ> bitfoo: My brother however does record 'real' instruments :)
[10:26] <Guardiann> i use k3b
[10:26] <LarstiQ> gepp1: Oh?
[10:26] <kakalto> Guardiann, I don't particularly want to download something large
[10:27] <LarstiQ> bitfoo: I use muse as a sequencer, and several synths, plus jack utilities
[10:27] <zhukov_> 40GB disk, with a 10 GB partition with windows, want to configure ubuntu in the remaining 30 GB...
[10:27] <bitfoo> :O
[10:27] <thread> is there a good gnome app that does at least some of the stuff k3b does?
[10:27] <zhukov_> Anyone can help please?
[10:27] <bitfoo> muse is linux/
[10:27] <bitfoo> ?
[10:27] <LarstiQ> bitfoo: yup
[10:27] <gepp1> LarstiQ:  In the JACK documentation, it says that running JACK with realtime priorities can be dangerous, allowing a badly coded/malicious application to hang the entire system.
[10:27] <macewan> LimeWire is to discontinue support for Macs but will continue with Linux :)
[10:27] <macewan> http://www.limewire.com/english/content/beta.shtml
[10:28] <LarstiQ> gepp1: potentially, yes
[10:28] <thread> will nautilus burn isos? dvd isos?
[10:28] <LarstiQ> gepp1: but so is running configure install as root
[10:28] <LarstiQ> bitfoo: http://muse.serverkommune.de/
[10:28] <gepp1> LarstiQ:  Who runs configure as root?  =)
[10:29] <LarstiQ> gepp1: doh, s/configure/make/
[10:29] <gepp1> haha =)
[10:29] <LarstiQ> you'll have to excuse me :P
[10:29] <geppy> LarstiQ:  hahahaha
[10:29] <kurtos> hi, im trying to get my isa soundblaster pro 2 to work on warty, but i cantfingure it out, can anyone help?
[10:29] <zhukov_> ...
[10:30] <LarstiQ> geppy: anyway, jack is not meant for consumer playback, in my mind
[10:30] <geppy> LarstiQ:  Entirely understood.  =) For the kernel patching;  are there any packages for it, or do I need to compile it myself?
[10:30] <bzbb> kurtos, why?
[10:30] <geppy> LarstiQ:  Understood, but as I understand it, there isn't reason that it couldn't be.
[10:30] <kurtos> why what?
[10:30] <LarstiQ> geppy: good question, I don't know what is available in ubuntu
[10:30] <bzbb> why an ISA SB pro 2
[10:30] <geppy> LarstiQ:  ah, thanks.
[10:30] <LarstiQ> geppy: true, but other applications don't have a need for it either
[10:31] <kurtos> oh, thats is only sound card i have
[10:31] <bitfoo> what do you need to recompile the kernel?
[10:31] <LarstiQ> geppy: likewise, Winamp does not use ASIO on Windows
[10:31] <zhukov_> There is a 10.5 GB windows, a 1GB swap and a 28.5 GB reisefs mounted /
[10:31] <geppy> LarstiQ:  Agreed, but it'd be awfully nice..  =)
[10:31] <bzbb> LarstiQ, they make plguins for it
[10:31] <zhukov_> but the setup halts..
[10:31] <LarstiQ> bzbb: they do? Shows how much I'm in contact with the windows world I guess :)
[10:32] <bzbb> LarstiQ, yeah, I work at a radio station
[10:32] <bzbb> and we are all windows based
[10:32] <cavediver> How do I install revelation in wharty ?
[10:32] <bzbb> so I need to keep in touch with such things
[10:32] <LarstiQ> geppy: My impression is however, that the jack community is using patches that aren't yet merged into mainstream
[10:32] <zhukov_> :
[10:32] <zhukov_> :(
[10:32] <bitfoo> what do i need to recompile the kernel?
[10:33] <LarstiQ> bitfoo: gcc mostly
[10:33] <LarstiQ> bitfoo: and the kernel source
[10:33] <bitfoo> just the source?
[10:33] <tritium> bitfoo, why do you need to?
[10:33] <bitfoo> i need to patch psparse.c so my battery status is read correctly
[10:33] <LarstiQ> bzbb: Does your station run Windows the entire chain?
[10:33] <bitfoo> :|
[10:33] <bzbb> LarstiQ, yeah
[10:33] <LarstiQ> bitfoo: what else do you think you need? :)
[10:33] <geppy> LarstiQ:  I'm building a specialized version of Ubuntu to give to a video production community that I'm active in, and I've been debating as far as if JACK would be a good choice.
[10:34] <bzbb> we are addeding OS x soonsih though
[10:34] <bitfoo> do i need the headers or something?
[10:34] <bitfoo> or footers :|
[10:34] <bzbb> in the near future, we are going to have an all digital setup
[10:34] <LarstiQ> geppy: if the focus is on video, I wouldn't bother to much, be sure to get the rest done well first
[10:34] <tritium> bitfoo, get build-essential and linux-source
[10:34] <geppy> LarstiQ:  I must admit that I'm new to the .deb scene, but it's similar enough to .rpm that it shouldn't be difficult.
[10:34] <tritium> bitfoo, and kernel-package
[10:34] <Schaap> how do i create a dir in commandline?
[10:34] <kurtos> so does anyone know about isa soundcards and ubantu?
[10:35] <bzbb> kurtos, I know PCI sound cards are cheap
[10:35] <bzbb> thats about all
[10:35] <Abysmal> anyone running umbutu on an old world mac that could help me out??
[10:35] <spiffy> bzbb you wanna buy him one? ;-)
[10:35] <bzbb> no, but i have a bunch in a box in my basement
[10:36] <LarstiQ> Abysmal: what is your problem with Oldworld?
[10:36] <geppy> LarstiQ:  Alright.  I'd just been thinking that since the audio side of multimedia editing is quite important as well, then JACK might be a plus.  Arguably, I might have to use bio2jack to port a couple of the better applications, but it wouldn't be all that difficult, I was thinking.
[10:36] <geppy> LarstiQ:  But you're probably right.  =)
[10:36] <spiffy> ahh well, not everyone is so fortunate.
[10:36] <LarstiQ> geppy: How much editing do you think would happen?
[10:36] <LarstiQ> geppy: Not just mixing and transcoding?
[10:37] <bzbb> spiffy, true, but, ISA?
[10:37] <Abysmal> LarstiQ -- i have a umax s900 and I have just gotten bootx on it and I have copies the boot kernel to the system folder but it just doesnt seem to work from there..
[10:37] <bitfoo> tritium, once i've patched it how can i ensure that it will recompile and everything that works now will work as well :|
[10:37] <spiffy> its in the defualt kernel, so why not use it if you got it?
[10:37] <LarstiQ> kurtos: I don't think isa soundcards would pose a problem?
[10:37] <LarstiQ> Abysmal: is it properly blessed?
[10:37] <bzbb> if you can get it working
[10:37] <tritium> bitfoo, read the documentation that comes with kernel-package.  Building a kernel the debian way is pretty easy.
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[10:38] <bitfoo> man kernel-package?
[10:38] <geppy> LarstiQ:  A lot.  It's a stop-motion animation community, so most of the time is spent editing, be it aligning the video/audio tracks (not possible with ESD or ARTS, they're too high-latency), and many of the people compose their own music, as well.
[10:38] <LarstiQ> Abysmal: 'blessing' is a procedure to make hfs find the correct System folder, or some such
[10:38] <spiffy> bzbb: ive gottenw weirder things than ISA working ;-)
[10:38] <tritium> bitfoo, also, see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto/
[10:38] <LarstiQ> geppy: Ah, yes.
[10:38] <tritium> bitfoo, yes, man kernel-package, but also see docs in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package
[10:38] <bzbb> I do have a 286 running dos 3.3 with a working soundblaster 8 bit and an ethernet card in it
[10:38] <Abysmal> LarstiQ - I didn't see that in the bootx dox.. could ya point me in the right direction??
[10:38] <bitfoo> ok
[10:38] <bzbb> that was a pain setting up
[10:39] <geppy> LarstiQ:  That was meant to be a "be it aligning, or composing, or mixing/whatever."
[10:39] <LarstiQ> geppy: My only video/sound combo experience with regular software is in Blender tho :)
[10:39] <geppy> LarstiQ:  haha
[10:39] <geppy> LarstiQ:  Lots of them use Blender.  Does it support JACK?
[10:39] <LarstiQ> Abysmal: google can tell you more than I can
[10:39] <spiffy> bzbb that sounds similiar to kurtos's set up. I was helping him last night. drivers load and all that, but alsa cant find any cards.
[10:39] <LarstiQ> geppy: Nafaik
[10:39] <geppy> LarstiQ:  Alright.
[10:39] <LarstiQ> geppy: just downmixing multiple tracks
[10:39] <Abysmal> LarstiQ - goggle for "blessing"??
[10:40] <LarstiQ> Abysmal: oldworld bless
[10:40] <bzbb> well, setting up an SB 8 bit on dos 3.3 is a bit different than using ubuntu, I should hope
[10:40] <geppy> LarstiQ:  Ah, alright.  As far as using bio2jack to port various programs, do you think that it would be a bad idea as far as stability/performance/etc are concerned?
[10:40] <tritium> bitfoo, also this:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto/
[10:40] <spiffy> bzbb: thank god. Just wondering if its not some weird irq problem.
[10:40] <LarstiQ> geppy: I honestly don't know.
[10:40] <bitfoo> hmm
[10:40] <bzbb> it could be
[10:41] <geppy> LarstiQ:  Ah, alright.  Much thanks for your time.  =D
[10:41] <bzbb> its been a lon time since i've dealt with ISA
[10:41] <LarstiQ> geppy: np
[10:41] <LarstiQ> geppy: if you have any ideas how jack in blender would make sense, prod me about it :)
[10:41] <bzbb> setting up the 286, I just swapped through cards till I found ones that worked
[10:42] <spiffy> yea thats essentially what we did. had the drivers load (snd-sb-common or something similiar).
[10:42] <geppy> LarstiQ:  Alright, thanks!  =D  I'm going to go look into recompiling my kernel and build JACK from CVS.
[10:42] <geppy> *buildign
[10:42] <geppy> argh
[10:42] <spiffy> just wondering on whats the next step.
[10:43] <tritium> bitfoo, good luck.  I've got to go.  Any last questions?
[10:43] <bitfoo> umm
[10:43] <bitfoo> which method do you suggest
[10:43] <tritium> bitfoo, kernel-package (see KernelHowto from wiki)
[10:43] <tritium> the first wiki link I sent you
[10:44] <bitfoo> ok thanks
[10:44] <nikal> I'm used to setting up cups related things through it's web interface. but I'm on a newly installed Ubuntu "Hoary" machine.   Apparently the web admin interface is disabled, and I'm supposed to use the Gnome Printer Management program.  However the error I'm getting is: Paused: unable to create temporary file: No such file or directory
[10:44] <kakalto> the nautilus cd writer won't recognise my blank cd, anyone have an idea why>
[10:44] <kakalto> ?
[10:44] <Dr_Barnowl> Anyone got an old bt848 TV card working?
[10:44] <tritium> bitfoo, sure.  good luck.  bye
[10:44] <bitfoo> bye
[10:45] <kurtos> does anyone know about old isa sound cards?
[10:46] <kurtos> spcefically an old soundblaster 2 pro
[10:46] <nightwolf> paper weight
[10:46] <kurtos> no chanse?
[10:48] <CreeVal> I have just installed a new splash screen but the ubuntu splash keeps popping up, any ideas?
[10:50] <shock> hi all
[10:50] <CreeVal> g'day!
[10:51] <linuxwig> can somebody help me with an xorg problem?
[10:51] <linuxwig> not a problem with setup, just that it seems to be skipping the mode that corresponds to my monitor's native resolution
[10:51] <shock> hm
[10:52] <linuxwig> and i don't know enough about xorg to read what it's telling me in the log file
[10:52] <shock> cant u set it up in the resolution-preferences?
[10:52] <linuxwig> no
[10:52] <linuxwig> the monitor's native resolution is 1680x1050
[10:52] <linuxwig> it keeps jumping back to 1280x1024
[10:52] <shock> urks *g*
[10:52] <shock> hm
[10:53] <shock> what dows xrandr say?
[10:53] <linuxwig> states 1280x1024 as being the max
[10:54] <shock> maybe add a modeline? or something?
[10:54] <linuxwig> it has the screen's physical size correct
[10:54] <shock> I have no modelines at all in my xorg.conf
[10:54] <linuxwig> i added a modeline for it, found somebody else who set the monitor up with x.org
[10:54] <ephic> has anyone got aol to work on linux, this is for a friend lol
[10:54] <linuxwig> but it keeps reverting back
[10:54] <shock> hm
[10:55] <kbrooks_> ephic, sheesh.
[10:55] <ephic> lol
[10:55] <ephic> dont want to hear it
[10:55] <linuxwig> lol omg
[10:55] <ephic> lol
[10:55] <linuxwig> is there a lisppaste bot for this room?
[10:55] <jiekson> I have just installed Ubuntu, and I cannot figure out why the "Lock screen" function isn't in function... someone who knows how to fix that?
[10:56] <kbrooks_> linuxwig, lisp lol
[10:56] <linuxwig> kbrooks_: lisppaste is just a name of a service that some other channels here use for large pastes
[10:57] <CreeVal> I have just installed a new splash screen but the ubuntu splash keeps popping up, any ideas?
[10:59] <CreeVal> Ok, perhaps i havent installed it... :S
[11:00] <CreeVal> back to guide reading :P
[11:00] <ephic> anyone here having nvidia problems?
[11:00] <ephic> found out how to get it all working.
[11:01] <shock> what was that thing replacing famd called again?
[11:01] <pw> gamin
[11:02] <shock> thx
[11:04] <zazeem> anyone know how to setup a hp printer on ubuntu??
[11:04] <zazeem> anyone know how to setup a hp printer on ubuntu??
[11:05] <JDahl> zazeem, most printers work with CUPS out of the box...
[11:05] <zazeem> ?
[11:05] <zazeem> cups?
[11:05] <zazeem> dahl, whats cups
[11:05] <zazeem> jdahl
[11:06] <zazeem> *
[11:06] <JDahl> common unix printing system... Try googling on it, and look at the ubuntu forum. It should be a piece of cake to setup
[11:06] <zazeem> danke
[11:06] <jocco_> Hooray! i got my network running 8)
[11:06] <Peter> whats a decent alternative bittorrent client?
[11:07] <chz> hello
[11:07] <christor> Hello it s the first time i m using ubuntu and all works properly; However I would like to install a streaming player to listen radio. Have you an idea?
[11:07] <frazer> lo
[11:07] <zazeem> dont use bitorent or p2p
[11:07] <zazeem> too risky
 xmms, get it from synaptic :)
[11:07] <geppy> christor:  Rhythmbox, or XMMS work nicely.
[11:07] <mbp_> zazeem: why?
[11:07] <geppy> Peter:  bittornado?
[11:07] <zazeem> ...bots all over it from gvt and riaa and movie industry...
[11:08] <zazeem> u didnt know that?
[11:08] <mbp_> Peter: 'apt-get search torrent'
[11:08] <zazeem> where have u been lol
[11:08] <christor> geppy> ok I m going to install these packages
[11:08] <mbp_> zazeem: what you mean is, "don't pirate movies"
[11:08] <Peter> mbp_: you mean apt-cache search?
[11:08] <geppy> christor:  Alright.  Rhythmbox comes with Ubuntu, you should already have it.
[11:08] <zazeem> or music or software...
[11:08] <chz> i was wondering if anybody knew how well the AMD Sempron processor was....or if anybody knew what you could compare it to. im looking at the Sempron 2200+...
[11:08] <mbp_> maybe he's using it to download Ubuntu?
 is there something safe to use for P2P?
[11:08] <mbp_> sheesh
[11:08] <frazer> this si the second time iv set up ubuntu and im still quite a linux nooby, the first time no problems...then i tried to install windows alongside and I cant get ubuntu set up again after a format and reinstall.
[11:08] <zazeem> my freind got busted for dloading a game and 2 music songs
[11:08] <mbp_> don't swallow their propaganda
[11:08] <geppy> jocco_:  bittorrent is pretty safe
[11:08] <zazeem> lol i seen it
[11:08] <mbp_> there are legal uses for p2p
[11:09] <geppy> mbp_:  Much agreed.
[11:09] <zazeem> ya for independantly made stuff not copyrighted
[11:09] <kbrooks_> uses like what
[11:09] <rempresent> what is a good picture viewer for linux?
[11:09] <jocco_> yea, I am all legal, i just hate snoopy government and big buisness.. i am not a number!! LOL
[11:09] <frazer> on the create password bit it wouldnt let me put anything in? so i have no user to log in as
[11:09] <mbp_> right, like, say, Ubuntu
[11:09] <thread> and linux distributions!
[11:09] <nevyn> bittorrent has lots of legal uses
[11:09] <geppy> rempresent:  gthumb?
[11:09] <eyequeue> zazeem:  doing illegal things is unwise.  bittorrent is certainly not just for illegal things, ubuntu is on bittorent
[11:09] <mbp_> rempresent: gthumb? gqview?
[11:09] <AgentM> Ok, I see that you are speaking about p2p. Can somebody explain how is it possible, that gnutella (gtk-gnutella) can download so fast?
[11:09] <rempresent> gthumb?  does that come with my distribution
[11:09] <frazer> can anyone help me?
[11:09] <rempresent> or do i need to get the repository
[11:09] <neighborlee> I rebooted and found that my firefox 'icon' could not be found so it didn't load on panel.is this known issue with gnome2.8 or something???
[11:10] <chz> i was wondering if anybody knew how well the AMD Sempron processor was....or if anybody knew what you could compare it to. im looking at the Sempron 2200+...
[11:10] <geppy> I can't believe that anyone would hang out in a Linux IRC channel, and not realize that bittorrent has legal uses.  That's how I got Ubuntu.
[11:10] <geppy> rempresent:  gthumb comes with Ubuntu
[11:10] <Martok> Hey, does the Java compiler come with the J2SE?
[11:10] <ephic> ok say you had a cable modem into a router, and the other computer, had another network card.. would he have to install his network card,  to pick up on the connection? or could he just use dhcp?
[11:10] <kbrooks_> geppy, cool.
[11:10] <zazeem> i know it has legal uses
[11:10] <zazeem> but u have ubuntu whats it good for..??
[11:10] <christor> geppy: I have nothing rythmbox?
[11:10] <zazeem> some other junk but i mean
[11:10] <zazeem> ....
 i am useing amd opteron SMP , ubuntu seems to work fine...
[11:10] <geppy> christor:  rhythmbox
[11:10] <chz> geppy: you need to get the JDK J2SE
[11:10] <jocco_> choppy Nvidia drivers
[11:11] <mbp_> frazer: you can't create a passwd for windows, or for ubuntu?
[11:11] <geppy> chz:  I wasn't the one asking.  =)
[11:11] <HrdwrBoB> ephic: the router should have DHCP which should Just Work[tm] 
[11:11] <frazer> ubuntu
[11:11] <christor> geppy: I have nothing in my menu and nothing in command line
[11:11] <chz> oo..ok..
[11:11] <ephic> ya thats what i thought, but ubuntu isnt picking up on it
[11:11] <mbp_> you can't set a passwd in the installer?
[11:11] <geppy> christor:  sudo apt-get install rhythmbox
[11:11] <zazeem> id love to know how to fix my sound in enemy territory
[11:11] <frazer> on the installer it kept repeating the enter user screen
[11:11] <mbp_> does the rest of the installer work?
[11:11] <frazer> yes
[11:11] <geppy> zazeem:  killall esd
[11:11] <chz> jocco_: its not a 64 bit processor is it..?
[11:11] <geppy> zazeem:  Do you not have sound, or is it choppy, or what?
[11:12] <frazer> i cancelled to finish the install
[11:12] <frazer> so there is no user set
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> zazeem:     echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> er
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> that wont' work
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> hangon
 mine is 64 bit x2
[11:12] <frazer> i have a 32 processor and im using the correct install
[11:12] <chz> oo...
[11:12] <jocco_> dual processor
[11:12] <zazeem> bob that works?
[11:13] <HrdwrBoB> zazeem: hangon
[11:13] <chz> jocco_: the one i'm looking at is http://shop1.outpost.com/{Qf1b2RfSqxCXkHfPdizouAAcDmkMMkWanyxp2R1tY7jCjz0j9iQo|-8050768577496518822/184095265/6/7001/7001/7002/7002/7001/-1|8841682521025052436/184095263/6/7001/7001/7002/7002/7001/-1|1107123161790}/product/4199563
[11:13] <zazeem> bob, k thnx 3
[11:13] <zazeem> <
[11:13] <HrdwrBoB> echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" | sudo tee/proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[11:13] <HrdwrBoB> echo "et.x86 0 0 disable" | sudo tee /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss
[11:13] <HrdwrBoB> killall esd
[11:13] <HrdwrBoB> run that
[11:13] <frazer> iv tried it twice and I cant get the installer to let me enter a user
[11:13] <HrdwrBoB> then run ET
[11:13] <zazeem> k
[11:13] <chz> jocco_: is it worth it..?
[11:14] <mbp_> frazer: try hitting Alt-F3 or Alt-f4 and see if there's an error mesasge on the log screen
[11:14] <christor> geppy: Ok thanks now it works but just a last question about that , is this soft support proxy parameters?
[11:14] <geppy> christor:  It should, I wouldn't know where to configure it, though.
[11:14] <frazer> ill go try now (ubuntu is upstairs brb)
[11:17] <Paralla1> i have a problem with nautilus i suddenly starts really sloooooow!, does anyone know why?
[11:17] <frazer> mbp_ do you mean the ubuntu loggin wher u enter password ect, tried both nothing happens with either
[11:17] <geppy> Paralla1:  How fast is your computer?
[11:17] <Paralla1> Centrino 1.6
[11:17] <geppy> Paralla1:  How much RAM?
[11:18] <xvers> hey.. can anyone help me or tell me where I can find info on setting up a vpn connection?
[11:18] <Paralla1> 256
[11:18] <geppy> Paralla1:  Is it just Nautilus that's going slowly, or is it slowing the whole system down?
[11:18] <Paralla1> geppy: nautilus
[11:18] <frazer> does anyone know if there is there a way of settign up a root user from the recovery mode?
[11:18] <geppy> Paralla1:  Slow, as in it takes forever to display all of the contents of a directory?
[11:19] <mortina> i've just installed ubuntu and would like to be able to use 'su'. however the suggested method for setting root passwd through 'sudo' doesn't work. how do i set it then? i can't chroot into ubuntu since the live CD crashes
[11:19] <scizzo> mortina: sudo -s -H
[11:19] <Paralla1> no slow as just now it open up a window with my home directory i tried to open 3 min. ago
[11:20] <scizzo> mortina: sudo should work just fine
[11:20] <geppy> Paralla1:  Try closing some other processes.
[11:20] <Paralla1> but i open gaim and starts instantly
[11:20] <geppy> Paralla1:  Sometimes, it'll take a while to open Nautilus, but it should work fine afterwards.
[11:20] <xvers> vpn connection? anyone?
[11:20] <mortina> scizzo:  it sayx Sorry, try again.
[11:20] <geppy> Paralla1:  GAIM is a lot different from Nautilus.
[11:20] <SyNtEx> mortina: sudo passwd root yourpassword
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> mortina: it's your password
[11:21] <geppy> HrdwrBoB:  He's asking how to change his password, not what it is.
[11:21] <xvers> please
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> you can't change your password if you don't know what it is
[11:21] <Paralla1> but any other application starts instantly
[11:21] <frazer> "iv tried it twice and I cant get the installer to let me enter a user" could it be anything to do with unpartitioned space i have 80+ gb of it saved
[11:21] <geppy> Paralla1:  Well, that sucks.  Try asking someone else.  =)
[11:21] <scizzo> mortina: ?
[11:21] <SyNtEx> HrdwrBoB: you can in single user mode
[11:21] <scizzo> mortina: sudo -s -H
[11:22] <Abysmal> anyone got any ideas.. I'm trying to get umbutu to install on an oldworld mac.. ppc9600.. I git bootx in and I started the install but i am having trouble with the searching for hardware portion.. not seem to be found.. any ideas?
[11:22] <scizzo> mortina: type in the user password
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> at a vague gues, he's *not* in single user mode
[11:22] <bitfoo> omgs the kernel is compilingz0r :|
[11:22] <bitfoo> warning! abort! .o!
[11:22] <mortina> scizzo: thanx i was trying to enter new root password
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> frazer: what do you mean 'enter a user'
[11:22] <scizzo> mortina: sudo is a better way for the security....use it instead
[11:23] <SyNtEx> HrdwrBoB: if he doesn't know his password that wiuld be the way to go
[11:23] <mortina> tnx everyone :)
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> yes but until he's aware theat single user mode exists, it's safe to assume he's not using it
[11:23] <HrdwrBoB> anyway
[11:23] <king_arthur> I wonder if mortina left because he was confused... 8)
[11:24] <king_arthur> HrdwrBoB: agreed 8)
[11:24] <jocco> :D
[11:24] <christor> geppy: it is not possible to use a proxy with rhytmbox apparently
[11:24] <frazer> mortina: on the ubuntu install it asks about halfway through to set up a user acount and tells you to use sudu instead of root, that screen flickers and shows again if i do anything other than cancel, then because i cancel i dont have a user set up and dont know hoe to create one after the install
[11:24] <geppy> christor:  Ah, alright.
[11:25] <king_arthur> frazer: mortina has left
[11:25] <frazer> lol
[11:25] <geppy> christor:  Sorry.  I wouldn't know what else to use, other than XMMS, or a similar application.
[11:25] <frazer> bah
[11:25] <frazer> im totally stuck
[11:25] <Xenguy> . o O ( why does this dude keep asking for me to pray for him? )
[11:25] <king_arthur> frazer: why is that?
[11:26] <frazer> why is which bit?
[11:26] <frazer> i dont know why i cant enter a user on installing
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> frazer what do you mean
[11:26] <frazer> iv installed before and its gone perfect
[11:26] <king_arthur> frazer: right the totally stuck I guess.. 8)
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> please describe exactly what happens
[11:28] <llun_ved> Hello everyone. Does anyone know how to set up a Postfix email server with Ubuntu. I am familliar with Slackware and Sendmail.
[11:28] <Paco-Paco> then you'll love postfix ;-)
[11:28] <Xenguy> hehe
[11:28] <HrdwrBoB> llun_ved: postfix is already installed, you can configure it
[11:28] <frazer> while installing ubuntu on my pc i cant enter a user because: after the partitioning and setting up hostname the screen to enter a user acount comes on, I type the user name and passwords in and after confirming pasword the enter user screen comes up again
[11:28] <geppy> LarstiQ:  What kernel patch do I need for realtime?
[11:29] <frazer> repetedly
[11:29] <llun_ved> If Thanks HrdwrBoB
[11:29] <oscarian> Hi all.  Can anyone tell me how to apt-get the cadega package?
[11:29] <geppy> oscarian:  You have to buy it.
[11:29] <frazer> so i clicked cancel and the install finished, but on the login screen i have no user
[11:29] <geppy> oscarian:  www.transgaming.com
[11:29] <oscarian> geppy: ah, darn...
[11:29] <geppy> oscarian:  ha
[11:30] <christor> geppy: yes OK i m seaching but it s hard to find an application proxy compliant and compliant mms://
[11:30] <geppy> oscarian:  There's WINE, if you don't feel like paying for anything... it probably won't play any games other than *craft, though
[11:30] <llun_ved> Post fix is the only thing preventing me from migrating from Slackware to Ubuntu
[11:30] <oscarian> geppy: i am trying to get an MMORPG client running in linux.  got any ideas on alternatives to cadega?
[11:30] <usual> has anyone packaged coaster?
[11:30] <geppy> oscarian:  What MMORPG?
[11:30] <thread> llun_ved: ubuntu comes with postfix
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> oscarian: either wine or cedega
[11:30] <oscarian> ryzom
[11:30] <geppy> oscarian:  And, no, nothing else will do it, probably.
[11:30] <oscarian> bummer
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> I assume you're talking about WoW, cedega works perfectly
[11:30] <geppy> HrdwrBoB:  WINE _sucks_ for games.
[11:30] <oscarian> no, saga of ryzom
[11:30] <oscarian> :)
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: not quite
[11:30] <llun_ved> thread : i know. i am not sure on how it needs to be configured
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: it sucks for a lot of games
[11:30] <geppy> HrdwrBoB:  WINE is awesome, but it's not going to run anything with Securom, etc
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> however many games are playable
[11:31] <oscarian> while nevrax is OSS, they are totally windows focussed
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> oh, copy protection
[11:31] <king_arthur> frazer: that's weird
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> it's entirely possible that one could no CD crack games they legally own
[11:31] <geppy> HrdwrBoB:  It sucks for recent games... but when I want to play something older, I prefer it to Cedega.  =)
[11:31] <thread> llun_ved: I guess it should be good and usable in its default state.. don't know what you want to change
[11:31] <Quest-Master> geppy: I was able to get Warcraft working in Wine
[11:31] <Quest-Master> :o
[11:31] <king_arthur> frazer: your first ubuntu install?
[11:31] <frazer> no
[11:31] <frazer> on my first it went perfect
[11:32] <geppy> Quest-Master:  Warcraft I/II/III all work in WINE, but WoW won't.
[11:32] <llun_ved> i will read up on it a little more before i make the jump
[11:32] <Paco-Paco> llun_ved: postfix is _very_easy to configure, and there are several very good books on the topic (I believe one from New Riders, and one fromO'Reilly)
[11:32] <usual> llun_ved, install any mta you want
[11:32] <usual> use any MTA
[11:32] <bitfoo> WoW works on cedega :|
[11:32] <usual> no need to use postfix
[11:32] <geppy> bitfoo:  Yeah.  =)
[11:32] <oscarian> geppy: i would assumy SoR won't either, but i might try it anyhow
[11:32] <usual> apt-get whatever
[11:32] <king_arthur> frazer: hmm.. perhaps playng with strange, forbidden characters in the username
[11:32] <oscarian> i haven't used wine in a long long time though
[11:32] <frazer> i had to reinstall because after installing windows along side my ubuntu diddnt work, now everytime since i get this
[11:33] <Quest-Master> geppy: Ah. I haven't played WoW yet.
[11:33] <geppy> oscarian:  I'm not familiar with SoR, or the MMORPG you mentioned;  odds are, neither will work in WINE/Cedega.
[11:33] <llun_ved> bbl
[11:33] <geppy> Quest-Master:  Neither have I, but I used to spend a lot of time in #cdedega
[11:33] <bitfoo> Saga of Ryzom is windows :|
[11:33] <king_arthur> frazer: no need to re-install, you must restore the MBR
[11:33] <frazer> im sorry i dont know what that means
[11:33] <frazer> im a nooby to linux if u guessed
[11:33] <frazer> lol
[11:34] <bitfoo> the master boot record
[11:34] <king_arthur> frazer: Master Boot Record
[11:34] <frazer> ah
[11:34] <frazer> how would i go about that
[11:34] <king_arthur> frazer: it's where your bios finds boot instruction
[11:35] <Paco-Paco> so, supposingI'm running ubuntu on a PPC, is there any way to save, say, user preferences etc. to an HFS+ partition?
[11:35] <Paco-Paco> (from a livecd)
[11:35] <frazer> ill go have a fiddle in my bios and come back, thanks
[11:35] <king_arthur> frazer: win is overwriting but old info is being stored away you need to retrieve
[11:35] <LarstiQ> geppy: I'm happy enough with realtime-lsm. Also, CONFIG_TMPFS turned on will help. And well, http://jackit.sourceforge.net/docs/faq.php is more complete than me :)
[11:35] <king_arthur> frazer: hold on
[11:36] <frazer> king_arthur: kk
[11:36] <geppy> LarstiQ:  I downloaded realtime-lsm, but there are some things that I'm not familiar with.  I'll try the FAQ.  =)
[11:36] <frazer> .king_arthur thanks for help
[11:36] <king_arthur> frazer: http://www.geocities.com/thestarman3/asm/mbr/MBR_in_detail.htm
[11:36] <LarstiQ> geppy: In Debian I've compiled it with module-assistant, I assume that's available on Ubuntu too
[11:37] <geppy> LarstiQ:  Ah, alright.
[11:37] <king_arthur> frazer: get the Ranish boot loader
[11:37] <geppy> LarstiQ:  haha... as luck would have it, a search for module-assistant turns up the eraltime-lsm source, as well;  so I'm assuming this should be pretty straightforward. =)
[11:38] <LarstiQ> geppy: ie, apt-get install realtime-lsm realtime-lsm-source module-assistant
[11:38] <LarstiQ> geppy: exactly :)
[11:38] <geppy> =D
[11:38] <LarstiQ> geppy: the first thing I always do is drag a couple of keywords through apt-cache :)
[11:38] <frazer> at the bottom it says .The Ranish Advanced Boot Manager -- well, for now, I've decided that this code isn't as important as other managers!
[11:38] <geppy> LarstiQ:  =)
[11:39] <frazer> i dont think its there anmore
[11:39] <mebaran151> hey
[11:39] <squeaky> hey
[11:39] <mebaran151> anyone know when Gnome for AMD64 is getting fixed
[11:39] <LarstiQ> geppy: in the meantime, I've been reading such bugs as https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52094 ;)
[11:39] <mebaran151> I mean
[11:39] <mebaran151> Evolution
[11:39] <mebaran151> I would like that they figure out why the pointers dont line up
[11:39] <squeaky> is anyone good with boot loaders?
[11:40] <geppy> LarstiQ:  hahahaha =D
[11:40] <squeaky> im about to go insane, both grub and lilo won't work
[11:41] <rempresent> how do i open a rar file
[11:41] <saif> hello every1,
[11:41] <encKe`> hiya saif
[11:41] <HrdwrBoB> rempresent: download the 'unrar' package
[11:41] <squeaky> anyone?
[11:41] <nevyn> it's probably in the restricted formats tho.
[11:42] <HrdwrBoB> squeaky: what error are you getting
[11:42] <rempresent> thanks
[11:42] <squeaky> i get error 21 in grub, 07 in lilo
[11:42] <HrdwrBoB> unrar is a 'free' implementation
[11:42] <squeaky> no links, please, i've seen them all
[11:42] <Nuak> hi all
[11:43] <Nuak> Hi, i want to make a lot of translation into spanish
[11:43] <Nuak> where do i have to start
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> Nuak: Excellent!
[11:43] <saif> I just downloaded Ubuntu to a Toshiba sa30-303, everything seems to  be running fine, but when i try to open the video player, i get an error "Failed to create a gstreamer play object" i get this error when i try to open totem! any ideas?
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> Nuak: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LoCoTeamHowto
[11:44] <squeaky> HrdwrBoB: have you ever had trouble before?
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> saif: your video card may not have overlay support
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> squeaky: not like that
[11:44] <squeaky> hmm
[11:44] <Nuak> thanks HrdwrBoB
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> squeaky: is there anything odd about your hardware?
[11:44] <Nuak> i will look into it
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> Nuak: no problem, glad you want to help
[11:45] <squeaky> HrdwrBoB: i just got a new 160gb seagate internal, but besides that it is a normal dell dimension 4550
[11:45] <popey> ooo get Nominus with his ipv6..
[11:45] <popey> :)
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> squeaky: for those of us that don't speak dell, what sort of machine is that :)
[11:45] <squeaky> HrdwrBoB: which is why it is strange, dell seems to love linux
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> squeaky: sort of love, they're good but sometimes rather.. finnickyu
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> -u
[11:46] <saif> HrdweBoB i donno what that is!:) but i downloaded xine-ui and it starts, and plays the movie, but there is no sound! :( even though xmms does play sounds ( sound card is working! ) the mixer isn't, i had to install alsamixer to control the volume!
[11:46] <geppy> saif:  killall esd
[11:46] <geppy> saif:  See if that helps.
[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[11:46] <geppy> saif:  Wait, that's stupid.  Don't do that.
[11:46] <squeaky> HrdwrBoB: it a normal home computer, the only customized parts are a dvd+rw and a firewire thingy
[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> squeaky: it may be some strange bios problem
[11:46] <saif> geppy: ok, i am not doing it! :) what should i do?!
[11:47] <HrdwrBoB> have you checked to ensure you're running the latest BIOS?
[11:47] <geppy> saif:  Hold on a second.
[11:47] <squeaky> HrdwrBoB: i thought that too, but i just got the newest one yesterday and it didn't help (A08)
[11:47] <squeaky> HrdwrBoB: i had been running A06 i think
[11:48] <geppy> saif:  What output plugin is XMMS using?
[11:48] <HrdwrBoB> 21 : "Unknown boot failure"
[11:48] <HrdwrBoB> This error is returned if the boot attempt did not succeed for reasons which are unknown.
[11:48] <squeaky> heh, yea
[11:48] <HrdwrBoB> squeaky: it doesn't sound good :/
[11:48] <HrdwrBoB> tried booting grub off a floppy?
[11:48] <squeaky> no floppy drive :-(
[11:48] <squeaky> only dvd and dvd+rw
[11:49] <gort_> where is this marillat repo?  http://marillat.free.fr is dead
[11:49] <geppy> LarstiQ:  $ sudo modprobe realtime gid=29
[11:49] <geppy> FATAL: Error inserting realtime (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/security/realtime.ko): Invalid argument
[11:50] <geppy> LarstiQ:  I used module-assistant... does that mean that I'm retarded?
[11:50] <LarstiQ> geppy: let me see what /etc/init.d/realtime does
[11:51] <geppy> $ /etc/init.d/realtime start
[11:51] <geppy> Loading Realtime Linux Security Module: realtimeFATAL: Error inserting realtime (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/security/realtime.ko): Operation not permitted
[11:51] <squeaky> HrdwrBoB: right now i'm in PHLAK (livecd), but to get into windows i use UBCD
[11:51] <LarstiQ> geppy: that would be without the gid, wonder where it gets that from tho
[11:51] <LarstiQ> geppy: that one is new for me
[11:51] <geppy> LarstiQ:  No idea.
[11:51] <geppy> Perhaps I should just build it again?
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> squeaky: see if you can get a gruyb disk image
[11:52] <geppy> hahaha
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> squeaky: and burn a CD with that image as the bootdisk
[11:52] <frazer> well thanks for the help im fed up with computers for the day
[11:52] <frazer> im goin bed
[11:52] <frazer> nn
[11:52] <squeaky> HrdwrBoB: but would I have to use the cd every time i want to use the computer?
[11:52] <LarstiQ> geppy: ehm, did you /etc/init.d/realtime start as root?
[11:52] <geppy> LarstiQ:  Yeah, forgot to include that in my c/p
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> squeaky: alternative 1) you need a CD
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> 2) you can't boot
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> pick one :)
[11:53] <squeaky> lol
[11:53] <squeaky> i thought linux was supposed to be <i>better</i> than windows
[11:53] <paulsth> Can Ubuntu let me connect two wireless cards without a router?
[11:54] <LarstiQ> paulsth: yes, nothing ubuntu specific about that
[11:54] <LarstiQ> paulsth: you want iwconfig mode adhoc
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> squeaky: it appears there's something wierd with your hardware :(
[11:54] <LarstiQ> squeaky: hmm?
[11:54] <Agamotto> Hallo all
[11:54] <rempresent> if you are referring to a file that has a SPACE in the name, how do you write that in the terminal
[11:54] <rempresent> ?
[11:54] <geppy> rempresent:  "file name"
[11:54] <squeaky> dunno why there would be, dell seems to love linux
[11:54] <rempresent> use quotes?
[11:54] <squeaky> except for mine...
[11:54] <geppy> rempresent:  Yes.
[11:55] <LarstiQ> hello Agamotto
[11:55] <rempresent> great, thanks
[11:55] <paulsth> LarstiQ, so I'll set up my primary computer with iwconfig, then use the network tool on my laptop to connect to it?
[11:55] <LarstiQ> rempresent: firstpart\ secondpart
[11:55] <ALTF4osu> question on grub for boot up
[11:55] <LarstiQ> rempresent: ie, escape the space
[11:55] <squeaky> ALTF4osu: error 21?
[11:55] <ALTF4osu> I want to change the order so that it defaults to windows if i don't do anything
[11:55] <LarstiQ> rempresent: or, use tab completion in a shell that is smart enough to escape spaces automatically
[11:55] <squeaky> oh, lol
[11:55] <squeaky> ALTF4osu: ur lucky, i can't get into grub ;)
[11:56] <LarstiQ> ALTF4osu: edit the grub menu.list default statement
[11:56] <ALTF4osu> but at least ubuntu is working... not the 64 bit, just x86 tho
[11:56] <ALTF4osu> LarstiQ: and change the order of the list... or..?
[11:56] <squeaky> HrdwrBoB: maybe we should try lilo, cause it seems to be better
[11:57] <squeaky> HrdwrBoB: but i get error 07 with that
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> hm
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> The BIOS failed to properly initialize the disk controller. You should control the BIOS setup parameters. A warm boot might help, too.
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> try booting it
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> then just hit c-a-d
[11:57] <LarstiQ> ALTF4osu: no, there is a 'default 0' statement, change the number after default to the number of your windows entry (counting from zero)
[11:57] <squeaky> c-a-d?
[11:57] <paulsth> LarstiQ, sorry for bothering you :) but i'm confused(never done a network before). how do I set the password and network name on the primary machine, is that with iwconfig, too?
[11:58] <geppy> ctrl-alt-del?
[11:58] <squeaky> oh
[11:58] <squeaky> that just reboots
[11:58] <geppy> squeaky:  I wasn't sure, I was asking.
[11:58] <squeaky> oh, lol
[11:58] <geppy> haha =)
[11:58] <LarstiQ> paulsth: you mean wep password and essid? iwconfig eth1 essid mynetwork; iwconfig eth1 key 012345
[11:58] <LarstiQ> paulsth: see man iwconfig for some documentation
[11:58] <squeaky> HrdwrBoB: you mean actually C, A, D, or  CTRL, ALT, DEL?
[11:58] <paulsth> ok cool, thanks a lot
[11:58] <Agamotto> Wireless just seems to be a general pain in the ass where Linux is concerned
[11:58] <saif> would i fuck things up if i removed the gstreamer, totem and the video player?! because they don't wrk, i am using xine!
[11:58] <LarstiQ> paulsth: supposing you have iwconfig installed?
[11:59] <geppy> saif:  No.
[11:59] <geppy> saif:  I'd advise you to do it, they're obnoxious anyways.  =)
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> squeaky: crtl alt delete
[11:59] <xvers> hey...can anyone help me configure a vpn connection?
[11:59] <ALTF4osu> ALT-F4 is a really good windows command tho
[11:59] <squeaky> hrwrbob: that just reboots
[11:59] <ALTF4osu> it'll speed up your system
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> squeaky: yes
[11:59] <paulsth> LarstiQ, yes I do. my wireless device is wlan0, so I assume I use that as the iwconfig argument?
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> it soft boots
[11:59] <Nuak> hum, do you know how can i register in the rosetta project?
[11:59] <LarstiQ> Agamotto: it could be better, but after some failed attempts I now know which hardware is well supported, so now I'm good
[12:00] <LarstiQ> paulsth: yup :)
[12:00] <squeaky> HrdwrBoB: but then it simply gives the same error