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| zul | hey pitti | 04:56 |
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| pitti | Hi zul, how's it going | 04:57 |
| zul | good u? | 04:57 |
| pitti | fine, thanks | 04:57 |
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| mdz | morning folks | 04:59 |
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| mdz | am I the only one who is unable to login to the website, and therefore edit the wiki? | 05:00 |
| Keybuk | morning matt | 05:00 |
| pitti | mdz: I added an USN today, worked fine | 05:00 |
| Kamion | mdz: elmo fixed that earlier today, he said | 05:00 |
| mdz | ah, so he did | 05:00 |
| Kamion | it was broken for me this morning | 05:00 |
| mdz | thanks, elmo | 05:00 |
| sabdfl | hi all | 05:00 |
| sivang | hey sabdfl | 05:01 |
| amu | hey sabdfl | 05:01 |
| mdz | first, is there anyone here who is going through the maintainer process, and needs tech board approval? | 05:01 |
| mdz | I believe at least jbailey is in that position | 05:01 |
| zul | you have to be approved by the cc first correct? | 05:01 |
| Keybuk | there was at least one according to my sms from elmo | 05:02 |
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| mdz | zul: not necessarily, accrording to the docs as they stand, but that seems to be the way it works out in practice | 05:02 |
| ajmitch | mdz: myself also, but I don't have CC approval yet | 05:02 |
| mdz | because CC needs to approve you as a member first | 05:02 |
| jbailey | mdz: Yes. | 05:02 |
| zul | hmmm...ill wait for the cc then ;) | 05:03 |
| mdz | if we have more time at the end, and a CC quorum, we'll see if we can take care of you guys as well | 05:03 |
| sabdfl | likely | 05:03 |
| sabdfl | let's tr to get it all done today | 05:03 |
| mdz | but for now...sabdfl, Keybuk on jbailey? | 05:04 |
| sabdfl | yes! | 05:04 |
| Keybuk | wouldn't trust him with a barge pole :o) | 05:04 |
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| Keybuk | yes, of course :p | 05:04 |
| mdz | yes on my part as well | 05:04 |
| mdz | jbailey: congratulations! | 05:05 |
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| mdz | I think "mail elmo" is the next step in the process | 05:05 |
| sabdfl | smurfs, snoopy's, we got it all | 05:05 |
| sabdfl | signed CoC | 05:05 |
| ajmitch | well that was easy for you, jbailey | 05:05 |
| mdz | signed CoC came with being a member | 05:05 |
| jbailey | ajmitch: It's true. My wife's a dancer, she taught me. | 05:05 |
| ajmitch | congrats :) | 05:05 |
| sivang | jbailey: congrets | 05:06 |
| mdz | moving on with the agenda | 05:06 |
| mdz | who added this item about zinf? | 05:06 |
| mdz | I asked for more information in the wiki, but there was no followup | 05:06 |
| mdz | so I think it has been abandoned | 05:07 |
| ogra | jbailey: hey jbailey :) | 05:07 |
| mdz | the other seed change on the table is gs-esp | 05:07 |
| Keybuk | zinf would need to replace something (rhythmbox?) given its feature list | 05:07 |
| Keybuk | and I'm inclined to stick with rb as it's known good | 05:07 |
| Kamion | hasn't the gs-esp seed change already happened? | 05:08 |
| mdz | hmm, so it did. no one seemed interested :-) | 05:08 |
| mdz | is germinate doing the right thing with it? | 05:08 |
| Kamion | defined as? | 05:08 |
| mdz | using it instead of gs | 05:08 |
| mdz | to satisfy all the or-ed dependencies | 05:08 |
| Kamion | that's what cdimage seems to be doing, at least | 05:08 |
| mdz | ok, let's follow up after the meeting to confirm | 05:09 |
| mdz | and then roll a new ubuntu-meta | 05:09 |
| sabdfl | esp? | 05:09 |
| mdz | that's the end of the agenda | 05:09 |
| mdz | any other business? | 05:09 |
| sabdfl | this is a record | 05:09 |
| sivang | hehe | 05:09 |
| pitti | sabdfl: psql 8? | 05:09 |
| ajmitch | that was awfully quick | 05:09 |
| Keybuk | was gonna say, this is the shortest TB meeting *ever& | 05:09 |
| fabbione | wow 9 minutes! | 05:09 |
| pitti | sabdfl: while we are at it? | 05:09 |
| mdz | sabdfl: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-January/003776.html | 05:09 |
| sabdfl | mdz: pitti has psql 8.0 packages... | 05:09 |
| Keybuk | and now pitti is going to say "language packs" and ruin it all <g> | 05:10 |
| ogra | erm, what about other maintainer candidates ? | 05:10 |
| pitti | although, that would spoil the record | 05:10 |
| pitti | Keybuk: "language packs" | 05:10 |
| mdz | psql 8 sounds like a massive UVF exception | 05:10 |
| pitti | so? | 05:10 |
| Kamion | esp => "Easy Software Products", the cupsys people I think | 05:10 |
| pitti | to be more clear | 05:10 |
| pitti | I'm _working_ on psql 8 packages | 05:10 |
| sabdfl | mdz: it would not replace 7.4.6 | 05:10 |
| pitti | actually I'm working on a completely new architecture for all major postgresql versions | 05:10 |
| mdz | oh, ok then | 05:10 |
| pitti | so I don't have releasable packages ready by now | 05:10 |
| sabdfl | the idea would be to have it available | 05:10 |
| mdz | as long as pitti is happy supporting two versions | 05:11 |
| sabdfl | it requires some manual jiggery to move data from 7.4.6 to 8.0 | 05:11 |
| mdz | sounds like postgresql | 05:11 |
| sabdfl | depending on how much progress pitti can make on the packages | 05:11 |
| pitti | if at all, this is something for universe only | 05:11 |
| mdz | oh, if it's for universe, then there's nothing to talk about | 05:11 |
| pitti | I'm working at them "after hours" (whatever that means) as fast as I can | 05:11 |
| sabdfl | i'm not sure about that! | 05:11 |
| pitti | but it will still take me a while | 05:11 |
| sabdfl | we know upstream is solid | 05:11 |
| sabdfl | so the only question is whether we are prepared to support pitti's packages | 05:12 |
| sabdfl | i vote that we take that decision closer to release | 05:12 |
| sabdfl | main / universe | 05:12 |
| pitti | agreed | 05:12 |
| ajmitch | that sounds like the situation with mono - 1.1.x is meant to be better than 1.0.x, but I don't know if someone is working on universe packages or not yet | 05:12 |
| pitti | right now I don't even have something for universe | 05:12 |
| mdz | on the same note, I think that the current SeedFreeze strategy doesn't fit the way that we actually work | 05:12 |
| mdz | and in practice, it's fine to make seed changes much later in the release process | 05:12 |
| ogra | mdz: what about other maintainer candidates ? crimsun and tseng already have proven to make good packages, they are both already members...and it would ease my MOTU work if the were allowed to upload | 05:12 |
| mdz | so for hoary+1 (I refuse to acknoweldege the True Name of the Beast), I think we ought to make adjustments to that part of the freeze process | 05:13 |
| lamont | mdz: SeedChill? | 05:13 |
| sivang | mdz: hehe | 05:13 |
| sabdfl | TNotB? | 05:13 |
| mdz | ogra: if we finish with all tech board business, and still have enough CC representatives, we'll do that | 05:13 |
| pitti | sabdfl: I try to get the packages ready as fast as I can; if I have something to show, we can discuss the hoary question again | 05:13 |
| ogra | great ! | 05:13 |
| thom | lamont: seedslush | 05:14 |
| sabdfl | pitti: excellent, it would be wonderful | 05:14 |
| pitti | sabdfl: if some of your guys can help me with testing/fixing, that'd be great | 05:15 |
| sabdfl | pitti: publish the packages | 05:16 |
| pitti | ok | 05:16 |
| mdz | ok, so there's no decision to be taken on postgresql, right? | 05:17 |
| pitti | not a decision | 05:17 |
| pitti | more a general question about the feeling | 05:17 |
| pitti | whether we want/like it or not | 05:17 |
| pitti | and how much time I invest into this | 05:17 |
| pitti | right now, it's a free-time project | 05:17 |
| mdz | ok | 05:17 |
| doko | 8.0 requires all dependent packages to be rebuilt? | 05:17 |
| mdz | Kamion: are you available for CC business? | 05:18 |
| pitti | doko: yes, all client programs/libraries/etc. | 05:18 |
| Kamion | mdz: yes | 05:18 |
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| mdz | thanks, elmo | 05:19 |
| sabdfl | hey elmo | 05:19 |
| sabdfl | cc buziness? | 05:19 |
| mdz | ogra: do you have a list of candidates? | 05:19 |
| ajmitch | the CC agenda has a few listed | 05:20 |
| ogra | curently i would suggest treenaks (who vant be here), crimsun and tseng | 05:20 |
| mdz | zul,ajmitch: ? | 05:20 |
| zul | im here | 05:20 |
| ogra | yup | 05:20 |
| ogra | sorry zul/ajmitch....missed you | 05:20 |
| ogra | oh, and if possible dholbach | 05:21 |
| Kamion | zul: are you Chuck Short? | 05:21 |
| ajmitch | that's ok | 05:21 |
| mdz | the CC agenda also has dholbach | 05:21 |
| zul | Kamion: yep | 05:21 |
| mdz | who doesn't seem to be online at the moment | 05:21 |
| ogra | mdz: unfortunately not...probably mvo knows more ? | 05:21 |
| sabdfl | ajmitch: are you interested in an selinux-enabled-by-default ubuntu derivative project? | 05:22 |
| ajmitch | sabdfl: yes, that's what I'm working on | 05:22 |
| sabdfl | ok | 05:22 |
| mdz | he is one of a group of folks in the Ubuntu community who are interested in that project | 05:22 |
| sabdfl | don't see it in the mainline for a few releases, but am interested in a derivative where it can get some banging-on | 05:22 |
| sabdfl | cool | 05:22 |
| sabdfl | one at a time | 05:23 |
| mdz | ajmitch seems to be first on the list | 05:23 |
| sabdfl | are we confirming member or uploader (universe)? | 05:24 |
| elmo | sorry, what are these candidates for? | 05:24 |
| mdz | MOTU | 05:24 |
| mdz | as far as I know | 05:24 |
| elmo | ok | 05:24 |
| sabdfl | so can we agree that any two of TB / CC / MOTU is good enough for that? | 05:24 |
| sabdfl | MOTU or universe uploader? | 05:24 |
| Kamion | presumably ajmitch would need access to more than universe eventually, but I think it would be best to stick to universe initially and see how he goes with patches | 05:24 |
| mdz | ogra: (this would mean that you and chris together could approve new MOTU uploaders) | 05:24 |
| ogra | sabdfl: isnt that identical ? | 05:25 |
| mdz | sabdfl: MOTU == universe uploader, no? | 05:25 |
| Kamion | (due to selinux invariably needing to change stuff in base) | 05:25 |
| ajmitch | Kamion: yes, the packages that I'd need to touch for main would have to be reviewed | 05:25 |
| Kamion | I see MOTU as the universe team leader | 05:25 |
| sabdfl | it's what I thought we had, i'm just confirming, since there has been *cough* some confusion | 05:25 |
| Kamion | s | 05:25 |
| ogra | mdz: yeah, that would be great (if haggai agrees) | 05:25 |
| Kamion | but the terms seem to have been conflated since then | 05:25 |
| sabdfl | mdz: what kamion said | 05:25 |
| Kamion | due to, er, the "Master" bit | 05:25 |
| sabdfl | MOTU can approve new universe uploaders, as we discussed last time | 05:26 |
| mdz | ajmitch: you mention that you were working on the python2.4 transition in universe; who were you working with on that? | 05:26 |
| sabdfl | which i didn't document | 05:26 |
| ajmitch | mdz: I started rebuilding some packages with ogra | 05:26 |
| ogra | mdz: me... | 05:26 |
| Keybuk | what would "Slave Of The Universe" be though? Monk? | 05:26 |
| mdz | I always sort of saw MOTU as the collective, but it's not terribly important | 05:26 |
| ogra | me too | 05:26 |
| sabdfl | also, MOTU would make decisions on new packages for universe (subject to elmo vetting) | 05:26 |
| ajmitch | however I haven't got very far yet | 05:26 |
| === haggai saw MOTU as the collective too.. it's more positive | ||
| elmo | haggai and ogra can be MOTMOTU | 05:27 |
| ogra | lol | 05:27 |
| haggai | heh | 05:27 |
| sabdfl | well, that could get hectic since we said two MOTU could approve a new universe uploader, and I wouldn't want the group to be able to extend itself arbitrarily | 05:27 |
| mdz | sounds like an anime character | 05:27 |
| mdz | agreed, that privilege should be limited to the team leadership | 05:27 |
| sabdfl | lets stick to the earlier terminology: | 05:28 |
| sabdfl | - MOTU - masters of the universe - team leaders in the universe component | 05:28 |
| sabdfl | - they make freeze / version / NEW decisions for universe | 05:28 |
| sabdfl | - two of them, for the moment, can approve a new uploader to universe | 05:28 |
| sabdfl | uploaders can be unrestricted, or limited to universe | 05:28 |
| elmo | have MOTU got a point of contact yet, or is it just ubuntu-devel@ ? | 05:28 |
| sabdfl | i tihnk the restriction is social | 05:29 |
| mdz | elmo: ubuntu-devel / ogra / haggai | 05:29 |
| sabdfl | MOTU, IIRC, are haggai and ogra | 05:29 |
| ogra | yup | 05:29 |
| haggai | aye | 05:29 |
| sabdfl | ok | 05:29 |
| sabdfl | i'd be happy with a few more MOTU | 05:29 |
| === haggai is on the look out for more | ||
| sabdfl | they need to be people that the existing MOTU like to work with, to get a good team | 05:29 |
| mdz | the CC agenda doesn't distinguish between member and maintainer candidates | 05:29 |
| elmo | sabdfl: err, unrestricted uploaders are maintainers surely? | 05:29 |
| sabdfl | elmo: yes | 05:30 |
| elmo | the restriction isn't social, then, it's technical | 05:30 |
| haggai | so the term is 'universe uploader' then? | 05:30 |
| elmo | and I thought we finially hashed out procedures for maintainers in the last CC ? | 05:30 |
| sabdfl | mako has a doc on the wiki, i'll review, update and move to the main site and call for comments | 05:30 |
| ogra | haggai UNUP ? | 05:30 |
| sabdfl | elmo: we did, i just didn't write it up | 05:30 |
| Kamion | ogra: no need to over-abbreviate :-) | 05:30 |
| ogra | heh... | 05:31 |
| Kamion | (abbreviations require expansion, and therefore documentation ...) | 05:31 |
| mdz | elmo: yes, we did, but sabdfl wasn't available at the time | 05:31 |
| sabdfl | elmo: excellent | 05:31 |
| sabdfl | oh, did i miss another discussion on it last week? was referring to the *previous* one | 05:31 |
| sabdfl | gosh this is shocking | 05:31 |
| sabdfl | ill review the log of the last cc meeting, and mako's writing, and post a final draft | 05:32 |
| sabdfl | ANYHOW | 05:32 |
| sabdfl | for now, let's run through the list | 05:32 |
| sabdfl | any two people can say aye to a universe uploader (TB / CC / MOTU) | 05:32 |
| sabdfl | let's go | 05:32 |
| sabdfl | ajmitch? | 05:33 |
| ajmitch | yes? | 05:33 |
| ajmitch | still awake.. | 05:33 |
| Kamion | hang on, don't they need to be members first? => CC majority needed | 05:33 |
| sabdfl | who seconds ajmitch for uploading to universe? | 05:33 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: didnt we agree to accelerate the process for a while? | 05:33 |
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| === zul offers elmo a lollipop | ||
| Kamion | mm, ok, I thought that was just bypassing TB approval not CC approval as well | 05:34 |
| elmo | zul: just say no to candy from strangers | 05:34 |
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| Kamion | but if everybody disagrees with me then I'll go away | 05:34 |
| zul | elmo: heh | 05:34 |
| mako | Kamion: i think your position is sensible but that's not the way it was written AIUI | 05:35 |
| Kamion | alright | 05:35 |
| sabdfl | ok, let's take a decision now, cc only: | 05:35 |
| sabdfl | yes or no | 05:35 |
| sabdfl | should two of TB / MOTU / CC be able to approve a new uploader to universe, for a limited time until we have grown the universe team to a good size? | 05:36 |
| ogra | yes (wrt to "limited time") | 05:37 |
| azeem | so you don't need to be a Member first? Or you become a Member automatically? | 05:37 |
| sabdfl | mako? kamion? elmo? | 05:37 |
| mako | azeem: that as my question | 05:37 |
| mako | sabdfl: can we clarify what happens wrt membership first? | 05:37 |
| elmo | if it only takes two CC to become a member, I'm not sure there's a pressing need? | 05:38 |
| sabdfl | it would imply membership, allowing us to grow quickly for a few weeks / months, rather than dance around over several weeks | 05:38 |
| elmo | given the impromtu approval stuff we discussed at last CC | 05:38 |
| Kamion | yes, so long as it's clear and actually documented that way | 05:38 |
| ogra | sabdfl: ...and discuss the process.... | 05:38 |
| mako | so automatic membership also.. | 05:38 |
| sabdfl | impromptu approval stuff? i missed that | 05:38 |
| mdz | that was last week's CC meeting | 05:38 |
| sabdfl | summary? | 05:38 |
| mdz | the question was whether CC members should be able to approve outside of CC meetings | 05:39 |
| mako | oh right, yes | 05:39 |
| sabdfl | ok | 05:39 |
| sabdfl | good idea | 05:39 |
| mdz | it was decided that they should, as long as it is properly recorded | 05:39 |
| sabdfl | ok, so that reduces the time lag | 05:39 |
| mdz | and, er, mako volunteered to do the record-keeping | 05:39 |
| sabdfl | -- you could get two MOTU and two CC and you;d be straight in? | 05:40 |
| elmo | as a universe uploader, yeah? | 05:40 |
| mako | right, as a universe uploader | 05:40 |
| ogra | yup | 05:40 |
| sabdfl | personally, for universe uploaders, i'd be happy for any two of haggai, ogra, elmo, Kamion, mdz, sabdfl, mako (and anyone else I missed from that list) to approve membership and universe upload ONLY | 05:41 |
| sabdfl | i would expect them only to approve someone they personally know can do a quality job | 05:41 |
| sabdfl | i would see it as a short term step to grow quickly and efficiently | 05:41 |
| mdz | ogra, haggai and elmo are in the best position to know, in general | 05:41 |
| mako | right, it ends post-hoary.. which is what is published | 05:41 |
| sabdfl | but i'm happy to be overruled here | 05:41 |
| Kamion | that's fine by me; apologies for derailing the discussion | 05:42 |
| mdz | mako: only published in the wiki so far, right? | 05:42 |
| sabdfl | so Kamion is +1, mako, elmo? | 05:42 |
| mako | mdz: in the wiki and in the meeting notes | 05:42 |
| mako | sabdfl: i thought agreed to this before :) | 05:42 |
| elmo | I'm gonna abstain, I really don't mind. I think it's unnecessary, but I'm also not strongly opposed to it and I don't want to block it, if others want to do it | 05:42 |
| mdz | mako: let's get that onto the website as soon as it passes sabdfl-o-matic | 05:42 |
| sabdfl | mako: me too | 05:43 |
| sabdfl | ok, i vote for it as well | 05:43 |
| mako | mdz: i emailed sabdfl right after the meeting and was waiting for that blessing | 05:43 |
| sabdfl | so, until Hoary, you can become a member AND get universe upload given the blessing of ANY TWO of TB / CC / MOTU | 05:43 |
| mdz | sabdfl has sworn a mighty oath to process that email | 05:43 |
| sabdfl | phew | 05:43 |
| sabdfl | once again | 05:44 |
| sabdfl | ajmitch? | 05:44 |
| mdz | ogra,haggai: would like to hear from you guys | 05:44 |
| haggai | I'm afraid I haven't seen anything of ajmitch yet | 05:44 |
| sabdfl | i don't know the se-linux-lovin' guy | 05:44 |
| ogra | ajmitch, it think i would ike to review the latest changes on your packages, and if they are ok, i'd like to approve you directly... | 05:45 |
| mdz | ogra said that he had worked with him | 05:45 |
| ajmitch | ogra: alright | 05:46 |
| sabdfl | ajmitch: sounds like you need to work with the MOTU, when they are happy they can approve directly | 05:46 |
| haggai | sounds good | 05:46 |
| ogra | haggai if you want to review additionally .... | 05:46 |
| ogra | just say... | 05:46 |
| haggai | ogra: will do | 05:46 |
| sabdfl | brandon hale? | 05:46 |
| haggai | ogra: just CC me on your mails | 05:46 |
| mdz | brandon hale == tseng? | 05:47 |
| ogra | haggai: okay... (we made the most stuff on irc) | 05:47 |
| ogra | mdz: yup | 05:47 |
| mako | mdz: yeah | 05:47 |
| ajmitch | will I still need CC approval to be a member now? | 05:47 |
| ogra | mdz: ...rrrright aways from here | 05:47 |
| mako | ajmitch: apparently not :) | 05:47 |
| ogra | ajmitch: nope | 05:47 |
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| Kamion | ajmitch: not if haggai and ogra are happy with your work; if you're interested in membership before then we can vote on that separately | 05:47 |
| ajmitch | ok :) | 05:47 |
| sabdfl | ajmitch: you could conceivably get that first, by being active and making a good contribution anywhere | 05:47 |
| mdz | pinged tseng and dholbach on -devel | 05:48 |
| ogra | mdz: tseng is here... | 05:48 |
| mdz | tseng: both CC and TB are present, so we're doing member/maintainer processing | 05:48 |
| tseng | ah, ok. | 05:48 |
| mdz | ogra: he is now :-) | 05:48 |
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| dholbach | hai | 05:48 |
| Kamion | ajmitch: but I think it'd be as easy for you to just work with haggai/ogra | 05:48 |
| sabdfl | hey dholbach | 05:48 |
| mdz | dholbach: thanks | 05:48 |
| mdz | dholbach: both CC and TB are present, so we're doing member/maintainer processing | 05:48 |
| dholbach | alright... thought it was due to feb, 8th | 05:48 |
| tseng | it was. | 05:49 |
| sivang | mdz: yes, tseng | 05:49 |
| sabdfl | for clarity - cc could still approve a member (not uploader) if someone has made a good contribution but not yet cracked uploading | 05:49 |
| sivang | tseng: :) | 05:49 |
| mdz | it was, but we're taking advantage of an opportunity to accelerate the process | 05:49 |
| sabdfl | ok, any two seconders for universe uploader and membership for tseng? | 05:49 |
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| ogra | sabdfl: absolutely.... | 05:49 |
| ajmitch | ogra: I'll grab sleep soon & get some packages for you in the next day or two | 05:49 |
| ogra | since i like tomboy ;) | 05:49 |
| haggai | was tseng's stuff on IRC too? | 05:50 |
| Keybuk | tseng++ from me | 05:50 |
| ogra | ajmitch: great :) | 05:50 |
| Kamion | that's two | 05:50 |
| haggai | ah nm | 05:50 |
| ajmitch | still working on gsf-sharp :) | 05:50 |
| ogra | haggai: tsen packages the mono apps since a long time | 05:50 |
| sabdfl | ok done | 05:51 |
| mako | i can't speak for technical issues but i've seen tseng contributing sicne nearly day one | 05:51 |
| === ogra could imagine tseng as the universe mono teamleader | ||
| sabdfl | tseng: congratulations! | 05:51 |
| sivang | tseng gets ++ from me, as a Memebr, for willingly showing the ways of cdbs for a pkging newbie :) | 05:51 |
| tseng | sabdfl: yay, thanks. | 05:51 |
| sivang | (as an Ubuntu Mmeber) | 05:51 |
| sabdfl | that's member, and uploader to universe | 05:51 |
| haggai | great | 05:51 |
| sabdfl | next, dholbach? any two? | 05:52 |
| ogra | yup | 05:52 |
| ogra | for the gtkmm love :) | 05:52 |
| sabdfl | anybody else? | 05:52 |
| mdz | anyone who becomes a member according to the fast-track process should still go back and sign the CoC, certainly. is someone keeping track of who needs to do that? | 05:52 |
| sabdfl | i think elmo is checking for a signed coc before enabling upload | 05:53 |
| mdz | ok | 05:53 |
| sabdfl | but we also need to track it for non-uploading members | 05:53 |
| dholbach | i had a word with debian's *mm maintainer today and i'll work together with him | 05:53 |
| ogra | dholbach: could you send haggai some of your packaging work .... (coaster for example) | 05:53 |
| dholbach | ogra: of course | 05:54 |
| mdz | dholbach: is there anyone you've worked directly with in the Ubuntu community who could serve as a reference? | 05:54 |
| sabdfl | dholbach: looks like you need to work with one of the TB / CC / MOTU guys to get a second vote of confidence | 05:54 |
| haggai | ok, dholbach please send me some work and I'll approve once I've had a look | 05:54 |
| Kamion | I'm happy to look over coaster too if sent references | 05:54 |
| dholbach | haggai: deb-src http://ubuntu.stufenseite.de/Repo ./ | 05:54 |
| Kamion | sabdfl: that approval can happen out-of-meeting, right? | 05:55 |
| haggai | yes it can, lets move on | 05:55 |
| ogra | Kamion: it requires the fixed gtkmm packages (sid or the ones dholbach built) | 05:55 |
| dholbach | mdz: i worked a bit on the wiki and advertised it on my universities unix group :-) | 05:55 |
| sabdfl | Kamion: yes | 05:55 |
| mdz | sounds like ogra and haggai can work with dholbach further | 05:56 |
| ogra | yup | 05:56 |
| dholbach | ogra, kamion: i'm coordinating with the new version required with btb@debian.org | 05:56 |
| mdz | and continue the process that way | 05:56 |
| sabdfl | zul? any two seconds? | 05:56 |
| mdz | zul++ | 05:56 |
| sabdfl | is that two? | 05:56 |
| sabdfl | ;-) | 05:56 |
| dholbach | :-) | 05:56 |
| mdz | that was 0->1 | 05:56 |
| haggai | no it's object orientated zul :) | 05:57 |
| zul | bleah.. | 05:57 |
| sabdfl | any second? | 05:57 |
| mdz | zul has been doing QA work in Bugzilla | 05:57 |
| fabbione | and kernel work | 05:57 |
| mako | zul's email/name? | 05:57 |
| ogra | i havent seen packags yet.... | 05:57 |
| zul | Chuck Short/zul@gentoo.org | 05:57 |
| zul | I been helping out with some kernel stuff as well | 05:58 |
| === fabbione confirms | ||
| ogra | zul: did you already do some packaging ? | 05:58 |
| mdz | zul: do you have experience with Debian packaging? | 05:58 |
| mdz | er, Ubuntu packaging ;-) | 05:58 |
| zul | mdz: i created one or two for open-xchange and some personal packages | 05:59 |
| elmo | mdz.BrandingUpdate() | 05:59 |
| sabdfl | zul: looks like you need to get a few packages reviewed by one of the TB / CC / MOTU guys | 05:59 |
| zul | sabdfl: sure no problems | 05:59 |
| mdz | can we approve zul as a member at least? | 05:59 |
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| mdz | and leave upload approval to MOTU? | 06:00 |
| Kamion | ack zul as member | 06:00 |
| === fabbione thumbs up | ||
| sabdfl | done | 06:00 |
| === mako nods | ||
| sabdfl | zul: welcome! | 06:00 |
| sabdfl | ok | 06:00 |
| zul | thanks | 06:00 |
| sabdfl | any other business? | 06:01 |
| Jonathan_C | cheers all, thanks for all the good work you put into ubuntu | 06:01 |
| mdz | in fact we should probably have done the same with the others who were passed to MOTU for processing | 06:01 |
| sabdfl | sorry for all of the confusion regarding processes | 06:01 |
| Kamion | he looks fine to me as universe uploader on the basis of bugzilla work, but since mdz already mentioned that I'd really rather have a packaging-based ack | 06:01 |
| ogra | sabdfl crimsun, while we're at it ? | 06:01 |
| sabdfl | ill review mako's email and post a final draft, and email for comments | 06:01 |
| elmo | did we do treenaks? | 06:01 |
| elmo | or does he need to be here? | 06:01 |
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| ogra | he cant :( | 06:01 |
| sabdfl | doesn't need to e here if he has seconds | 06:01 |
| ogra | i vote for him | 06:01 |
| ogra | he has already done debian work.... | 06:02 |
| sabdfl | any votes for crimsun? | 06:02 |
| zul | dholbach: yay! | 06:02 |
| ogra | haggai ? | 06:02 |
| mdz | I thought we were considering Treenaks | 06:02 |
| === dholbach give zul a high five. | ||
| zul | wohoo...lunch time | 06:02 |
| haggai | re crimsun, I had a couple of queries but I think he'll be ok for universe | 06:02 |
| ogra | absolutely... | 06:02 |
| sabdfl | haggai: would prefer a full-confidence vote, or abstention | 06:03 |
| sabdfl | take the time to be sure | 06:03 |
| sabdfl | ogra's sure :-) | 06:03 |
| haggai | ok I'd better abstain then until the next mail exchange is done | 06:03 |
| mako | sabdfl: sounds good.. look over the notes for the meeting too if you haven't.. we spent about an hour going over details as a group.. most of things there are there for a reason.. so for substantial changes, it's maybe worthing pinging one/many of us :) | 06:03 |
| sabdfl | mako: i will | 06:03 |
| mdz | is there another second for Treenaks? | 06:03 |
| ogra | now we lost trenaks again ? | 06:04 |
| ajmitch | haggai: do you want me to email you urls for some of my packages? | 06:04 |
| Kamion | Treenaks++ | 06:04 |
| ogra | yay | 06:04 |
| haggai | ajmitch: yes please do | 06:04 |
| mdz | that's two (ogra and Kamion) for Treenaks/universe | 06:04 |
| sabdfl | who was the first for Treenaks? | 06:04 |
| sabdfl | i thought ogra was for crimsun | 06:04 |
| Keybuk | I'll certainly second Treenaks | 06:04 |
| mako | sabdfl: there are a couple little additions we agreed to at the meeting i wrote up in the summary but didn't do yet.. if you're not going to work on it right now, i can do a few of those | 06:04 |
| sabdfl | ok, welcome in absentia, Treenaks | 06:04 |
| ogra | sabdfl: for the record: Treenaks ++ | 06:04 |
| sabdfl | mako: go for it, i need to drive home, will check it out then | 06:05 |
| sabdfl | ok, crimsun? | 06:05 |
| mako | sabdfl: ok cool | 06:05 |
| sabdfl | crimsun: what areas have you worked on, and what packaging experience can you point us at? | 06:06 |
| Kamion | /whois crimsun --real-name | 06:06 |
| sabdfl | any of the TB / CC / MOTU guys worked with you or reviewed pacakges? | 06:06 |
| ogra | crimsun is audio/alsa specialist and i'd like to have him aboard for this ... | 06:06 |
| haggai | I have reviewed 1 package so far | 06:06 |
| sabdfl | audio / alsa is definitely a place we need expertise | 06:06 |
| mdz | crimsun has been active in Bugzilla; I can certainly recommend him for membership | 06:06 |
| sabdfl | but it's also main... and low level | 06:07 |
| mdz | I have no information about packaging | 06:07 |
| === fabbione still thumbs up for crimsun | ||
| ogra | sabdfl: we are still talking about universe, or not ? | 06:07 |
| Kamion | I thought I remembered approving crimsun for membership. Do we have a list of who's been approved for what somewhere, please? | 06:07 |
| sabdfl | ok, he's afk and has no seconds for uploading | 06:07 |
| mdz | Kamion: there's a member list in the wiki | 06:07 |
| ogra | Kamion: crimsun was approved as member already | 06:08 |
| sivang | Kamion: wiki/UbuntuMembers | 06:08 |
| sabdfl | ok, i think we are done | 06:08 |
| sabdfl | any other business? | 06:08 |
| Keybuk | one thing I'd like to bring up, while TB, elmo and sabdfl are here: @ubuntu.com e-mail addresses for MOTU/uploaders etc. do we want to do that? | 06:08 |
| sabdfl | YES! | 06:08 |
| Kamion | mdz: crimsun was approved according to http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2005-01-25.html, but is not in that list; perhaps he hasn't yet signed CoC? | 06:08 |
| mdz | absolutely | 06:08 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: hell yeah | 06:09 |
| Keybuk | and what about members? | 06:09 |
| Kamion | I thought that was the whole point | 06:09 |
| mdz | yes | 06:09 |
| sabdfl | yes on members too | 06:09 |
| Keybuk | are we doing that, and I just missed it? or hasn't it been put in place yet? | 06:09 |
| ogra | not yet | 06:09 |
| mdz | elmo: any admin issues with doing so? | 06:09 |
| sabdfl | the mail system works, not sure if we have a process to create the accounts | 06:09 |
| sivang | yay! u.c address for the changlogs :) | 06:10 |
| elmo | the userdir-ldap system isn't as well hooked up as I'd like but, basically n | 06:10 |
| haggai | what about people.u.c/~user ? That would be useful | 06:10 |
| elmo | o | 06:10 |
| sabdfl | i've reservations about shell accounts | 06:10 |
| sabdfl | elmo? | 06:11 |
| haggai | even for maintainers? | 06:11 |
| elmo | me too, fairly strong ones | 06:11 |
| mdz | a member-writable WebDAV would be nice | 06:11 |
| mdz | as an alternative to shells | 06:11 |
| sabdfl | that sounds doable | 06:11 |
| Keybuk | yeah, dav would be cool; could thom wave some apache2 love for it easily? | 06:11 |
| mdz | that does require authentication somehow, though | 06:11 |
| sabdfl | what about rw sftp? elmo is that secure? | 06:11 |
| mdz | currently, members have no requirement to authenticate themselves | 06:12 |
| sabdfl | in the cracking sense, not the crypto sense | 06:12 |
| mdz | they don't even need to have a key | 06:12 |
| smurfix | sabdfl: should be if you set the shell to sftpd | 06:12 |
| Kamion | sftp is a subsystem, not a daemon | 06:12 |
| elmo | Kamion: command limiting to sftp works tho right? | 06:12 |
| Kamion | elmo: I'm not sure if that's possible | 06:13 |
| elmo | oh, it's possible, we do internally, I don't know how effective it is tho | 06:13 |
| sabdfl | i'm happy if elmo can find a way that satisfies him w.r.t. local security | 06:13 |
| Kamion | there's sftp-server which implements that, but it's not intended to be invoked directly (see its changelog) | 06:13 |
| smurfix | Kamion: that's hat I meant. :-/ | 06:13 |
| mdz | doesn't sftp support chroot? | 06:13 |
| Kamion | er, man page | 06:13 |
| smurfix | what | 06:13 |
| sabdfl | also, on a suitable machine | 06:13 |
| Kamion | mdz: if openssh upstream accepted the chroot patch, I'd be happy with it; right now I'm not | 06:13 |
| sabdfl | Keybuk: thanks for bringing it up, v good point, glad to get the u.com emails rocking | 06:14 |
| sabdfl | elmo, your call as to whether / how to offer ~user | 06:14 |
| sabdfl | any other business? | 06:14 |
| Keybuk | I noticed a lack of it in catching up on changes, and thought "hey up, we should do that!" | 06:14 |
| elmo | sabdfl: is this forwarding only or imaps too? | 06:14 |
| mdz | forwarding only, I hope | 06:14 |
| sabdfl | elmo: your call, pref fwding only | 06:14 |
| elmo | ok | 06:15 |
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| sivang | forwarding only should be enough I suppose | 06:15 |
| ogra | else, please make it selectable... | 06:15 |
| mdz | can we call this techmunity bouncil meeting to a close? | 06:15 |
| sabdfl | mjg59: howdy | 06:15 |
| sabdfl | any other business? | 06:15 |
| sabdfl | done | 06:15 |
| sabdfl | thanks all | 06:15 |
| mdz | thanks, everyone | 06:15 |
| sivang | just letting people here now, I just now completed my first upload - a new g-s-t pkg :) | 06:18 |
| ajmitch | sivang: great :) | 06:18 |
| dholbach | sivang: GREAT! :-) | 06:18 |
| sabdfl | erm, isn't that main? | 06:18 |
| sivang | sabdfl: pitti is the sponser :-)) | 06:19 |
| sabdfl | ah, ok :-) | 06:19 |
| seb128 | (I've reviewed the changes too) | 06:19 |
| sivang | I should have said , "uploaded" | 06:19 |
| seb128 | good work :) | 06:19 |
| sivang | with the double quotes | 06:19 |
| sabdfl | thanks seb128 | 06:19 |
| === mvo_ cheers to sivang | ||
| === ogra applauds sivang | ||
| pitti | I took some nitpicking, but now the package looks really good | 06:19 |
| mako | sivang: that's awesome :) | 06:20 |
| === sivang blushes | ||
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| ogra | sivang: so its about time to become a MOTU ;) | 06:20 |
| sivang | sabdfl: you missed a beat there ha? ;-) | 06:20 |
| sabdfl | yup | 06:20 |
| sabdfl | "i've just uploaded linux-kernel..." | 06:21 |
| fabbione | eh? | 06:21 |
| pitti | who cares about _that_ one... | 06:21 |
| ogra | sabdfl: new universe package ? | 06:21 |
| sivang | sabdfl: hhehe | 06:21 |
| === dholbach presents sabdfl with a bouquet of flowers. GRATS! :-) | ||
| ogra | sabdfl: are you going for MOTU ? | 06:21 |
| === ogra hides | ||
| dholbach | *giggle* | 06:22 |
| sabdfl | dholbach: yr'welcome, thanks for playing here | 06:22 |
| === fabbione wants 10 years of his life back.. at the same congrats sabdfl for the nice adoption | ||
| dholbach | sabdfl: its a pleasure :-) | 06:22 |
| sabdfl | fabbione: i thought you *liked* bk | 06:22 |
| sabdfl | cheers all | 06:22 |
| fabbione | i actually do :-) | 06:22 |
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| ogra | mako: did you get your serbian sentence translated yesterday ? | 06:23 |
| dholbach | ogra: he did... it read something like "please send me a CD too" :-) | 06:24 |
| ajmitch | almost time for bed, the sun is just creeping over the horizon :) | 06:24 |
| ogra | dholbach: i know... i gave it to my serbian chef translator today.... | 06:24 |
| dholbach | ogra: wow... how many people do they have employed? | 06:25 |
| ajmitch | ogra: ok, got a couple of packages polished up a bit :) | 06:26 |
| ogra | who ? ish ? | 06:26 |
| ogra | ajmitch: i'll look at them tonight... | 06:26 |
| dholbach | ogra: sounds like a lot really - even a "chief serbian translator" ;-) | 06:26 |
| ajmitch | ogra: yeah, I have to upload them first | 06:27 |
| ajmitch | to somewhere with bandwidth | 06:27 |
| ogra | dholbach: we got 900 empl currently :( | 06:27 |
| ogra | ajmitch: ok | 06:27 |
| ajmitch | bbl | 06:30 |
| dholbach | seb128: btb@d.o just waits for atk1.9 to hit debian, so he can gtkmm in there too, great news, hm? :-) | 06:30 |
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| seb128 | dholbach: I've uploaded atk 1.9 this morning | 06:33 |
| dholbach | seb128: rocking :-) | 06:33 |
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| Treenaks | OK guys, cool :) | 06:38 |
| Treenaks | </late> | 06:38 |
| Treenaks | I really need to talk to my boss about this time thing again | 06:39 |
| === dholbach comforts Treenaks | ||
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| mako | if anyone wants to take a look over the newly merged, fixedup page before sabdfl gets to it: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NewMembersMaintainersDraft | 06:56 |
| Treenaks | 8) | 07:00 |
| smurfix | mako: - fix the WikiLinks in the last section | 07:11 |
| smurfix | mako: - point to a list of maintainers | 07:11 |
| mako | smurfix: ah, ok | 07:18 |
| mako | smurfix: thanks | 07:18 |
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| dholbach | good night everyone | 11:05 |
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