[12:00] <snarky> anyone know how to fix that?
[12:00] <amin> crimsun: what type ?
[12:00] <_mvo_> vishal: can you please enter my compelete nick (_mvo_)? then I see your line highlighted :) can you please open a terminal and type: "dpkg -l synaptic"?
[12:00] <liquidboy> crimsun, is that command meant to reinstall grub?
[12:02] <vishal> _mvo_ can i msg you directly the result?
[12:02] <piratePenguin> would ubuntu stand a chance on: 96mb ram, Pentium 2 CPU ?
[12:02] <amin> crimsun: which type i've to set
[12:02] <_mvo_> vishal: yes
[12:02] <cubex> hello again
[12:03] <kebac> piratePenguin: i think so. btw i installed ubuntu today on 266 P2 + 96M RAM
[12:03] <cubex> just a tiny little question please...
[12:03] <cubex> does everything i know from debian works on ubuntu?
[12:03] <crimsun> liquidboy: yes, into the boot sector which xp so graciously overwrote
[12:03] <piratePenguin> kebac: cool thanks
[12:03] <ty473> whoa.
[12:03] <liquidboy> crimsun, it doesnt seem to be working though :(
[12:03] <ty473> ok, i just installed ubuntu about an hour ago
[12:03] <crimsun> cubex: nearly everything, but don't go randomly installing debian packages
[12:03] <cubex> crimsun can i use debian source.list?
[12:04] <akurashy_> garhhhh
[12:04] <ty473> i'm coming from mandrake 10.1 just trying out distros as i go and looking for the best fit.
[12:04] <cubex> crimsun as in, are debian packages compatible with ubuntu? or do i have to stick with warty's and hoary's?
[12:04] <crimsun> cubex: please don't, unless you want massive headaches.
[12:04] <cubex> crimsun then what if a package doesn't exist on ubuntu's repos?
[12:04] <cubex> crimsun what can i do?
[12:04] <ty473> i can't become the root user in ubuntu
[12:05] <cubex> ty473 sudo passwd root
[12:05] <crimsun> cubex: not even in universe or multiverse?
[12:05] <ty473> oh, sudo...
[12:05] <ty473> not su
[12:05] <ty473> ah, i'll try it
[12:05] <Croccifixio> anybody here VERY familiar with ubuntu servers? i mean using it without the gdm ?
[12:05] <crimsun> amin: firewire devices should be made for you; you shouldn't have to create them.
[12:05] <cubex> crimsun i don't know yet, i didn't check... but what if?
[12:05] <cubex> crimsun i thought ubuntu is supposed to be compatible with debian, right?
[12:05] <liquidboy> crimsun, the peoblem is htat the insatll_deveice is not specified...
[12:06] <amin> crimsun: gscanbus return me error couldn't get handle: No such file or directory
[12:06] <amin> This probably means that you don't have raw1394 support in the kernel or that
[12:06] <amin> you haven't loaded the raw1394 module.
[12:06] <ty473> hmm....
[12:07] <ty473> ah
[12:07] <amin> modules are ok
[12:07] <ty473> i see.  that's how you set up the root password
[12:07] <ty473> thanks
[12:07] <cubex> ty473 worked?
[12:07] <ty473> yeah, i've got it now
[12:07] <cubex> good good :)
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> there is no need to set the root passwrd
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> password
[12:07] <ty473> i'll go on now and stumble around and try to figure things out
[12:07] <cubex> HrdwrBoB huh?! how come?
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> you can use sudo to run all your root rools
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> tools
[12:08] <ty473> hmm
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> cubex: you don't need it
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> you can use sudo
[12:08] <ty473> yeah, that's what i did in mandrake
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> sudo vi /etc/config.foo
[12:08] <cubex> HrdwrBoB well, but gets kinda annoying if you have to sudo everything
[12:08] <KlaasVaag> HrdwrBoB: some people just like having a root account :)
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get install
[12:08] <crimsun> cubex: then ask one of the ubuntu devels or the universe people: haggai, ogra, Riddell. You may ask me, too, but I can't upload yet.
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> KlaasVaag: that's fine, but realistically there's not much you need root for
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> aside from install/configure
[12:08] <cubex> crimsun ok then, i'll remember that :)
[12:08] <cubex> crimsun thanks a lot
[12:08] <liquidboy> crimsun, u got any ideas? (sorry to bug you:P )
[12:08] <Agrajag> cubex: you can just use sudo -s to get a root shell
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> cubex: not overlyt
[12:09] <KlaasVaag> HrdwrBoB: true, but still.. i dont like issueing sudo all the time
[12:09] <KlaasVaag> although there isnt much rationale for that.. :)
[12:09] <crimsun> cubex: keep in mind that packages will not be targeted for warty and more than likely won't make it into hoary, but hoary+1 (tentatively bendy?) is probable
[12:09] <cubex> Agrajag then y not just su; do stuff; exit?
[12:09] <AndyR> HrdwrBoB, has anyone found a way to edit the menus yet?
[12:09] <Agrajag> cubex: sudo -s does the same as su
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> KlaasVaag: then use sudo -s if you have a whole bunch of things to do
[12:10] <cubex> Agrajag but with more typing :)
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> crimsun: yeah bendy badger
[12:10] <cubex> Agrajag well, at least it worked for ty473
[12:10] <ty473> speaking of Agrajag, i'm actually listening to The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
[12:10] <Agrajag> cubex: are you really so lazy you can't hit a few more keys?
[12:10] <ty473> audiobook
[12:10] <ty473> ; j
[12:10] <cubex> crimsun but i can't still use my own packages in case i need any, right?
[12:10] <crimsun> amin: ,,sudo modprobe raw1394''?
[12:10] <cubex> Agrajag well, i come from a perl background
[12:10] <Agrajag> cubex: I think sudo is safer than su
[12:10] <cubex> hehe
[12:10] <cubex> Agrajag why's that?
[12:10] <crimsun> cubex: certainly you may use your own packages and any that you choose to install from anywhere, but ubuntu can't support such configurations.
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> sudo logs what it does much better
[12:10] <cubex> Agrajag actually, i'd love to know...
[12:11] <Agrajag> let's say someone gets a chance to break into an account
[12:11] <cubex> crimsun what does support means exatly?
[12:11] <liquidboy> anyone else got any ideasx about how to reinstall grub?
[12:11] <mchasard> the last beta if ubuntu is which versions please ?
[12:11] <Agrajag> like a security hole that allows one to log into any account with a password
[12:11] <HrdwrBoB> cubex: well it means that people are a lot less likely to help you basically
[12:11] <crimsun> cubex: "file bug reports and have the packages updated in a timely manner"
[12:12] <cubex> Agrajag yeah, but isn't it as easy as modifying /etc/shadow?
[12:12] <Agrajag> they'd never be able to brute-force into the root account if there's no password
[12:12] <cubex> crimsun that, i'll do
[12:12] <Agrajag> cubex: you'd need root access for that
[12:12] <liquidboy> grub-install && update-grub - doesnt work, it tells me that "grub-install && update-grub"
[12:12] <cubex> Agrajag but you're giving a user root access with his own password
[12:12] <crimsun> cubex: right, but Ubuntu can't be reponsible for external packages
[12:12] <cubex> Agrajag so if i break into a user's account, i can sudo using *his* password
[12:12] <liquidboy> *install_device not specified - that's the one
[12:12] <mchasard> theres no tool to save configuration for a live cd use ?
[12:12] <Agrajag> cubex: ok, but if you don't know the user's account name, how do you break in?
[12:13] <cubex> crimsun but apt will still be aware of the package and can uninstall it, right?
[12:13] <Agrajag> cubex: who says they actually get the password itself?
[12:13] <crimsun> cubex: yes.
[12:13] <cubex> Agrajag oh
[12:13] <cubex> right
[12:13] <Agrajag> anyway
[12:13] <cubex> crimsun thanks
[12:13] <crimsun> liquidboy: you need to specify the actual hard drive
[12:13] <cubex> Agrajag you're right
[12:13] <Agrajag> it's up to you, really
[12:13] <cubex> Agrajag seriously, i never thought of that
[12:13] <crimsun> liquidboy: (e.g., ,,grub-install /dev/hda'')
[12:13] <Agrajag> you could just alias sudo -s to something shorter
[12:14] <cubex> Agrajag i know why bsd disabled ssh root login, but i never thought of disabling it locally
[12:14] <liquidboy> aah
[12:14] <liquidboy> crimsun, thanks ;P
[12:14] <liquidboy> crimsun, so grub-install /dev/hdb5&& update-grub ?
[12:15] <cubex> ok, this isn't newsflash, but i just wanted to tell you that ubuntu on amd64 is absolutely amazing!!!
[12:15] <Agrajag> cubex: also, sudo can be used to set up security policies that allow limited users to run some commands as root, but not others. It's a lot more secure than handing out the root password
[12:15] <cubex> just had to get it out
[12:15] <Agrajag> of course, on a desktop that's not a big deal
[12:15] <cubex> Agrajag but on a server, it is... got it now
[12:15] <Agrajag> yeah
[12:15] <crimsun> liquidboy: ,,update-grub'' may not be necessary, but the first certainly is
[12:15] <cubex> Agrajag i'll make sure i remember that, thanks :)
[12:15] <liquidboy> oh right
[12:16] <liquidboy> what do the "&&" do?
[12:16] <rellik> what do you do if your printer isn't on the list when you use the "add printer" wizard?  It aute-detected it correctly as an HP Deskjet 5740, but then in the driver selection part you have to choose your printer and mine isn't on the list :(  I had the printer working under mandrake so I know it has linux support, but how do I get ubuntu to use it?
[12:16] <cubex> Agrajag but what if you change root's username to something like, say, Administrator?!
[12:16] <crimsun> liquidboy: in bash, it means execute what follows if what precedes returns a success code
[12:17] <gernika> Is there someone in particular who maintains this channel?
[12:17] <liquidboy> crimsun, oh right this is what i got mkdir: cannot create directory `/boot/grub': Permission denied
[12:17] <Agrajag> cubex: sudo would still work, if that's what you mean
[12:17] <liquidboy> do i need to 'sudo' it?
[12:17] <crimsun> gernika: the developers tend to be noninvasive. Why?
[12:17] <Agrajag> it just runs things with uid and euid of 0
[12:17] <Agrajag> doesn't matter what the accout name is
[12:17] <crimsun> liquidboy: only if you current user doesn't have root privileges
[12:17] <cubex> Agrajag yes, but it'll be harder for someone to guess the real root username
[12:17] <Agrajag> true
[12:17] <crimsun> your current^
[12:18] <gernika> I'm interested in asking permission to log this channel.  I have heard that it is a very helpful channel and I would like to add it to my logging site.
[12:18] <liquidboy> crimusun, im using the live cd, so yeah
[12:18] <liquidboy> Format of install_device not recognized.
[12:18] <crimsun> gernika: please ask in #ubuntu-devel
[12:18] <gernika> crimsun: thx
[12:19] <AndyR> can anyone please call me on skype please
[12:19] <crimsun> -> meeting.
[12:19] <mojo__> sorry been AFK for a bit.  Akurashy, you get your RAR figured out then?  looks like crimsun was helping you
[12:20] <mojo__> gerinka: nice to ask.  I always just presume my public conversations are being recorded anywya ;)
[12:21] <rellik> linuxprinting.org says to use the hpijs driver for my printer...  how can I do this, if the "add printer" wizard doesn't list my printer?
[12:22] <Guardiann> rellik what kinda printer do you have
[12:22] <liquidboy> crimsun, my linux partition is rieser if that makes any difference (it said it couldnt recognise the format of the partition)
[12:22] <rellik> Guardiann, HP deskjet 5740 (not on list in add-printer wizard)
[12:23] <Guardiann> rellik its in the list for hoary 1 sec let me check warty
[12:24] <Guardiann> rellik nope its not in warty
[12:24] <hybrid> hello
[12:24] <zenrox> it is just just got to get it and install it
[12:24] <defendguin> does anyone here have experience with setting up ntpd in a wireless setting where you dont connect to any network till after boot?
[12:24] <zenrox> rellik,  look for the driver in snyaptic
[12:24] <rellik> Guardiann, so now what?  I know the printer works, cause I used it under mandrake...  how do I tell it to use hpjis?
[12:25] <rellik> zenrox, the driver is already installed on my system, but I don't know how to tell CUPS to use it
[12:25] <hybrid> can you run .zip natively in linux
[12:25] <SackeR> Whats the command for unpacking a .rar file?
[12:25] <zenrox> rellik,  hmm
[12:26] <rellik> SackeR, unrar, I beleive (apt-get install rar)
[12:26] <gernika> anybody in here object to having this channel logged to the web?
[12:26] <hybrid> no
[12:26] <spiral> gernika: no
[12:26] <Guardiann> relik will it work if you set it as a 5750
[12:27] <rellik> Guardiann, unfortuneatly, no 57xx printers are on the list either :(
[12:27] <pvh> Is anyone else using two soundcards in Ubuntu?
[12:28] <gobeavs> I used to be able to right click .tar files and extract them from the GUI, but now it doesn't give me that option (in KDE)....does anyone know how I can do that?
[12:28] <Guardiann> on my warty there are
[12:28] <rellik> how could I find out where hpjis put the driver?  I'd like to try manually using it
[12:28] <liquidboy> crimsun, i want to go and have a shower soon :P - have you got any more ideas (or anyone else for that matter0?
[12:28] <Guardiann> relik sorry that was a 5850
[12:29] <ubuRookie> hi everybody
[12:29] <hybrid> are zipped files able to be unzipped in linux w/out wine
[12:30] <hitu> root@kinky:/home/hitu # hostname kinky.wh0res.org
[12:30] <hitu> root@kinky:/home/hitu # vi /etc/hosts
[12:30] <hitu> _IceTransSocketUNIXConnect: Cannot connect to non-local host kinky.whores.org
[12:30] <hitu> root@kinky:/home/hitu #
[12:30] <ty473> man, i've got xp installed on my raid volume and the grub loader for ubuntu loaded directly without an option for xp and i was about ready to freak out.  i hadn't backed up my stuff.
[12:30] <hitu> wonder why
[12:30] <ubuRookie> I am just starting with ubuntua and I have one simple question to make
[12:30] <rellik> ubuRookie, what's up?
[12:30] <ty473> but, quite nicely, it'd only just put the grub on the local disk and not my raid volume after all.  exactly as it should have.  that made me very happy.
[12:31] <ty473> ah, and another thing.  i don't know if it's something that's regular for linux to do... but Ubuntu recognized and formatted my 200GB hard drive in its entirety!
[12:31] <rellik> Guardiann, thanks, that got it to work :)
[12:32] <ty473> is that a regular feature in linux?  to support the 48bit LBA?
[12:32] <Guardiann> good stuff
[12:32] <ubuRookie> I am trying to install my winmodem in ubuntu. I have found all the necessary packages but when I go to install them it asks me the linux source build directory. From what I understand that's the package "linux-headers-2.6-386". How I get it from xp to put it in my ubuntu?
[12:33] <linux_mafia> ubuRookie, you using ext3?
[12:33] <ty473> you could mount your windows partition
[12:33] <ty473> or you could from mandrake...
[12:33] <hybrid> hello
[12:33] <ubuRookie> yes but I don't know how to download the packages from windows...
[12:33] <gernika> loglibrarybot: help
[12:33] <loglibrarybot> I come from http://www.loglibrary.com.  I accept these commands:
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[12:34] <ty473> just copy them
[12:34] <hybrid> can you unzip .zip files inside linux without wine or anything
[12:34] <ubuRookie> where I will find them? what's the url?
[12:34] <Agrajag> hybrid: use unzip, or just double-click it in nautilus
[12:35] <hybrid> ok
[12:35] <cubex> does anybody own an amd64 ere?
[12:35] <cubex> here?
[12:35] <dukeku> i sold mine for the motorola 6809 mpu
[12:35] <cubex> i'm trying to get X to run, but it just gives me a black screen
[12:35] <mojo__> cubex yes AMD64 s939 3000+ Winchester
[12:36] <mojo__> cubex: but I am presently only running in 32bit mode
[12:36] <ubuRookie> any ideas?
[12:36] <cubex> mojo__ why's that?
[12:36] <Sic`> Can someone help? First time linux user here...I got Windows XP installed on a drive with RAID (D:) and a free drive (C:), and I want to put Ubuntu on C, so should ther ebe any problems before I start? And how can I switch between XP and Ubuntu?
[12:36] <cubex> mojo__ any particular reason?
[12:37] <Agrajag> Sic`: just make sure you install to the right drive
[12:37] <Orcrist> how do I add an application to my panel that must be run as root, and have it ask me for my password?
[12:37] <Agrajag> and ubuntu will install grub for you with an option to boot windows
[12:37] <ubuRookie> How we download ubuntu packages from windows?
[12:37] <Orcrist> for instance, firestarter
[12:37] <mojo__> cubex: because ati video drivers were only avail in 32bit mainly.  But they just released 64bit on the 15th or 17th or sumthin.  I just have not gotten 'round to setting up the 64bit yet.  Am waiting on a replacement hard drive and will do all that at once (had a 250Gb go doorstop on me :( )
[12:37] <cubex> actually, for some wierd reason is just worked. go figure
[12:38] <Agrajag> Orcrist: make it run "gksudo firestarter"
[12:38] <Orcrist> that's what I was after agr
[12:38] <cubex> mojo__ a 250GB does that?
[12:38] <Orcrist> couldn't remember the name
[12:38] <cubex> mojo__ what was the brand?
[12:38] <pvh> What is Ubuntu's default sound configuration?
[12:38] <Sic`> is it easy to take files from windows and put them onto ubuntu without burning?
[12:38] <Agrajag> Sic`: what do you mean?
[12:38] <ty473> sic` i have to unplug the ubuntu drive to get it to count my raid as the default
[12:39] <Agrajag> You can just mount the windows partition in linux
[12:39] <Sic`> like, to move a video file from my XP drive...is it a drag+drop process?
[12:39] <ty473> should be
[12:39] <SiCuTDeUs> helo people of ubuntu
[12:39] <SiCuTDeUs> hola a todos
[12:39] <ty473> i think i'm off to investigate fedora
[12:39] <will> yes ubuntu...mmmm yes
[12:40] <Sic`> So when Ubuntu is installed, I could go to My Compluter from Windows, open C, and drop files wherever?
[12:40] <mojo__> Well bad psu connectors fried the drive.
[12:40] <Agrajag> Sic`: huh
[12:40] <cubex> mojo__ oh, that
[12:40] <mojo__> cubex: Thus a 250Gb doorstop <sigh>
[12:40] <Agrajag> no, windows can't read ext or reiserfs or whatever filesystem you end up using
[12:40] <cubex> mojo__ that's bad, real bad
[12:41] <Agrajag> but linux can read ntfs just fine
[12:41] <Sic`> damn windows >.<
[12:41] <will> sic: you can read ntfs and read/write fat drives in linux
[12:41] <Sic`> so how does the file transfer work?
[12:42] <Agrajag> Sic`: you can mount the windows drive in linux
[12:42] <will> works fine for me, just 'mount' your dirves in ubuntu
[12:42] <Agrajag> and move files over
[12:42] <Sic`> ah
[12:42] <Agrajag> You can also use third-party tools to read ext2/3 or reiserfs drives in windows
[12:43] <mojo__> cubex: actually, the story is more complicated.  My brother n I had same identical drives.  His "flaked out" while I was getting a new MOBO.  One I was using didn't have SATA so my drive just sat.  I loaned him my drive to copy his data that was corrupt so he could reformat and reinstall.  We didn't know the PSU killed his drive.  After I got my mobo I spent a month thinking I had bad SATA drivers on nforce3, but turns out he gave me back his old "fried" drive
[12:43] <mojo__>  by mistake.  It was honest mistake, though.  He'll have money to get him a replacement soon (I hope) and I've been nice enough to let him use my 250 until then, since he already has a ton of stuff installed on it and would be completely down without it.
[12:44] <Sic`> okay, another thing...will my printers and router work fine in Ubuntu? Lexmark and Cannon printers, Linksys router...
[12:45] <mojo__> cubex: make is Western Digigal, btw.  Descent drives, though WD's idea of MB and GB are not mine.  I do powers of 2, like 1024, etc.. they do decimal 1000's.  Sneakey marketroid bastards ;-)
[12:45] <wm_eddie> man, is there a way to make Ubuntu forget about ipv6 completely?
[12:46] <zhukov> hello
[12:46] <zhukov> Anyone here has Eclipse or Netbeans installed?
[12:48] <wm_eddie> zhukov: I have eclipse installed
[12:49] <mojo__> cubex: FYI I have a 64bit install that I just don't use at the moment, so Ubuntu64 *does* work
[12:49] <zhukov> wm_eddie, i've googled, and i found a tutorial, but it didnt worked...And i need it for the weekend, how did you installed it?
[12:50] <yaxupaxo> Anyone know where I can get the alsa firmware installed under warty?  I'm trying to get my pcmcia vxpocket soundcard to work
[12:52] <wm_eddie> http://wm-eddie.info/~wm_eddie/sources.list
[12:52] <wm_eddie> I added deb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian unstable/i386/  to my apt repo and then installed Java
[12:52] <Sic`> okay, another thing...will my printers and router work fine in Ubuntu? Lexmark and Cannon printers, Linksys router....
[12:53] <magnon> Sic`: I think Lexmark should work, but I'd go for Epson or HP
[12:53] <wm_eddie> then I downloaded the gtk version of eclipse from download.eclipse.org
[12:53] <wm_eddie> then I installed it to /opt/
[12:53] <Sic`> can't help what I already have
[12:53] <bitfoo> how do i
[12:53] <Sic`> cannon photo printer
[12:53] <bitfoo> increase screen brightness in gnome
[12:53] <bitfoo> :|
[12:53] <Guardiann> Sic` my linksys router did
[12:53] <wm_eddie> and change the permissions of the eclipse folder so that my user could modify it.
[12:53] <Sic`> expensive
[12:53] <Sic`> sounds good
[12:54] <Guardiann> let me check on your printer
[12:54] <wm_eddie> if not, you can get eclipse 2.something from the Debian unstable repo ask somebody here for more info on that.
[12:54] <rellik> is there a printcommand like "lpr" that will put a header (page number/date/etc) on the printout?  I've tried 'lpr -p' but lpr seems to be just ignoring the '-p' flag :
[12:54] <Guardiann> is that what its called
[12:54] <wm_eddie> I have to go
[12:55] <zhukov> wm_eddie, thanks
[12:55] <Guardiann> rellik did you get a test page to print
[12:55] <rellik> Guardiann, yeah, thanks, I have the printer up and working now
[12:55] <Guardiann> ok cool
[12:57] <magnon> Sic`: the canon one might as well be used as a paper weight.
[12:58] <Sic`> that's not good
[12:58] <Sic`> it's brand new
[12:59] <Sic`> oh well, use Windows for tat I guess
[12:59] <magnon> what kind, pixma?
[12:59] <raydogg> what is the best mp3 player for ubuntu ?
[12:59] <raydogg> cuz xmms wont play files from smb://
[12:59] <Sic`> Pixima iP5000
[12:59] <magnon> Sic`: if it's brand new, can't you exchange it?
[12:59] <mojo__> You know I just added the marillat unstable repository, and was wondering... how in Synaptic can I tell what repository a listed package is in? So when I pick something I know where it's comin' from?
[12:59] <magnon> you'd get a lot further with a HP PhotoSmart
[12:59] <Sic`> well, I'm not the buyer, my dad bought it
[01:00] <magnon> besides, they're better :)
[01:00] <Sic`> he won't be happy if I tell him his printer is useless
[01:00] <Sic`> lol
[01:00] <magnon> well, for linux it's pretty much useless
[01:01] <magnon> dad bought me a pixma for christmas
[01:01] <magnon> but I'm exchanging it for a photosmart 7550
[01:01] <magnon> it has card readers and stuff too
[01:01] <Sic`> what's the price difference?
[01:01] <Sic`> he might go for it
[01:01] <magnon> the 7550 is definately cheaper than the ip5000
[01:01] <magnon> I have the ip3000 and they're about the same
[01:02] <Sic`> I see
[01:02] <magnon> but I don't know the difference between ip5000 and ip3000, so I can't tell what the equivalent hp printer is
[01:02] <Sic`> I'll tell him that
[01:02] <magnon> but ask in the store and they might help
[01:02] <magnon> maybe an epson would be good too
[01:02] <magnon> they have a wider range of products
[01:03] <magnon> anyway, the gimp-print driver supports a lot of epson and hp printers perfectly
[01:03] <magnon> http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Epson
[01:03] <Sic`> what's gimp?
[01:03] <magnon> http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=HP
[01:03] <mojo__> raydogg: any file or just certain types?  maybe the input driver is tryin to mmap ?
[01:03] <mojo__> raydogg: It has been a few months since my brothers moved out but I swear that I was playin some mp3s over samba with xmms
[01:03] <mojo__> raydog: though it was on an earlier mandrake 10.0/10.1 install
[01:03] <magnon> gnu image manipulation program, a set of drivers that were made to print nicely from that and works with other things as well
[01:04] <magnon> raydogg: can't you just use Rhythmbox?
[01:04] <raydogg> well, how do you play one in rhythm box it only lets u import a folder
[01:04] <raydogg> but yeah i've done it in mandrake
[01:04] <raydogg> just not ubuntu
[01:04] <magnon> you can right click a single media file in nautilus and import it into rhythmbox
[01:05] <magnon> Sic`: anyway, I'll have to go. Catch me later if you need more help, I will do my best
[01:06] <magnon> good night
[01:06] <mojo__> raydog: sry i don't use rhythmbox so i don't know.  Mainly 'cuz i knew xmms would play everything with plugins including flac, shn, m4a files.  I do lots of "shows" so have lots of flac and some shns
[01:06] <Sic`> night
[01:06] <raydogg> yeah, i play files fine when i copy them over
[01:06] <raydogg> xmms is nice
[01:08] <Sic`> is Ubuntu installation easy
[01:08] <vince_> it is
[01:08] <Sic`> I'm about to try
[01:08] <Sic`> just cleaning my drive
[01:08] <mojo__> raydog: so what input plugin you using to play the mp3s?  there are more than one.  libxmmsmad, libmpg123, etc.
[01:08] <vince_> well it aint as easy as a mandrake installation
[01:08] <vince_> but its quite understable
[01:08] <raydogg> i didn't know i had to install one
[01:08] <raydogg> xmms plays them out of the box
[01:09] <raydogg> looks like libmpg
[01:09] <mojo__> raydogg: well I guess I just don't have a smb networked machine around anymore to test or compare.  But I don't see why it wouldn't work... very strange.
[01:09] <Neo_654> Guess I must be pretty bad..  Was never able to get Mandrake to install but Ubuntu did it with no problems at all.
[01:09] <raydogg> Neo_ mandrake isn't as good as it used to be
[01:10] <mojo__> raydogg: yeah if you google around youll find a number of plugins for xmms, including more than one that support the mp3 format.  Do you have any luck with any other players?
[01:10] <raydogg> no
[01:10] <Neo_654> raydogg: I never cared for it anyways but it is funny that that is the one distro that I have never been able to install.
[01:12] <mojo__> re mandrake: I started to find myself having lots of rpm dependency nightmares trying to install 3pty packages.  RPM Hell, I think they call it.  I got frustrated and wanted to give a debian based distro a chance, so chose Ubuntu.
[01:12] <Sic`> do I need to download and install any codecs to play mp3?
[01:12] <raydogg> no
[01:12] <raydogg> just plays them
[01:12] <raydogg> just not over smb://
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> Sic`: you will need the gstreamer0.8-mad package
[01:13] <Neo_654> Sic`: are you new to linux?
[01:13] <Sic`> yes
[01:13] <Sic`> Ubuntu will be my first distro
[01:13] <jonx> anyone know where I could find a good resume templette for a computer programmer?
[01:13] <Neo_654> The Howto page in the forum and the guide are great for starting.
[01:13] <Sic`> being very cautious and probably very ignorant
[01:13] <mojo__> sic: well sure you gotta have the codex somewhere.  MAD is one.  libmpg123 is one, i think another is libmpg321 or sumthing, have to look it all up agian.  The diff players like xmms or rythmbox all have difff plugins that use the various libraries
[01:13] <LinuxJones> sic read the www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:14] <Sic`> okay
[01:14] <Neo_654> sic`: your first stop should be http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[01:14] <LinuxJones> Sic`, there is lots of great stuff there
[01:14] <Sic`> thanks
[01:15] <Sic`> I'll be back later to read an install
[01:15] <Sic`> have to go for now
[01:15] <Sic`> peace
[01:15] <AndyR> anyone know if i can brouse smb printer shares please?
[01:15] <Neo_654> sic`: your second stop should then be http://ubuntuguide.org/
[01:15] <jmhodges> heya
[01:15] <mojo__> raydogg: look at your installed plugins in xmms.  options | preferences | audio i/o plugins.  you may have more than one (i had two, mad and mpg123).  disable all but one and then the other, compare.  if u only have one, try searching for and installing some different ones.
[01:16] <jmhodges> hey, im having issues with my hd being detected by warty and hoary
[01:16] <jmhodges> its some crazy laptop hd..
[01:16] <mojo__> raydogg: also, how 'bout other formats?  try getting an ogg file and an ogg plugin, or a flac file & plug, etc.  Basically try something different over smb and see if it is just the mp3s or a more general problem
[01:17] <jmhodges> a Toshiba MK4025? hrm... thats not helpful
[01:18] <jmhodges> its a netboot that im attempting
[01:19] <Arthur> hi there.
[01:20] <gernika> Ok guys, logs available from: http://www.loglibrary.com/101/
[01:21] <wk1989> hi
[01:21] <wk1989> what does this command do?
[01:21] <wk1989> for i in 'cat /home/*/.sylpheed/addrbook*|egrep -o [a-zA-Z0-9\.] *@[a-zA-Z0-9\.] (net|com|org)`; do  echo "hello to you"`sed 's/@.*//g'`|nail -s"Greetings sed 's/@.*//g'`" $i; done
[01:22] <wk1989> bonus 1000 points for the first person!
[01:22] <dorothy> what is a kernal?  im tring to get wireless internt on my laptop and it sayes to recompel it
[01:22] <kent> wk1989, spam your friends?
[01:22] <wk1989> seriously
[01:22] <wk1989> helpe me!
[01:22] <wk1989> wtf does this command do????
[01:22] <kent> wk1989, help with what?
[01:22] <wk1989> explain a bit?
[01:22] <wk1989> thx
[01:22] <KlaasVaag> dorothy: i recommend you use google to seek an explanation on that :)
[01:22] <wk1989> o wait
[01:23] <wk1989> i got it
[01:23] <dorothy> klaas I am 12 :P  trying to get wireless internet ...
[01:23] <kent> wk1989, im not sure since i dont know sed that good, but i think it greps your adressbook from sylpheed (an alternative email-program) for users, and sends a message to all of them. Why do you wonder?
[01:24] <wk1989> thx kent!
[01:25] <Sav> anyone know if i can get subtitles for a xvid working in vlc?
[01:27] <dorothy> i found out that i got did linux-source via synaptix but when I tyr to compel linuxwln-ng it syas it can not find source
[01:31] <zhukov> Can anyone tell me an IDE for ubuntu?Eclipse and jedit arent working... :S
[01:32] <mojo__> I keep hearing VLC come up... is it "all that"???  Should I consider scrapping totem for it?
[01:32] <wallison> how about anjuta?
[01:32] <|QuaD-> does ssh keep logs?
[01:32] <|QuaD-> of why logging in fails?
[01:32] <esher> bash_history
[01:32] <esher> :P
[01:33] <JohnQ> Emacs is a good IDE once you get used to it
[01:33] <|QuaD-> no if i try logging in from a different device
[01:33] <zhukov> wallison, i hope it works, thanks
[01:34] <esher> lastlog &or last
[01:34] <esher> but login fails > dont know how this works
[01:35] <wallison> zhukov: I'm not a coder, it's just an IDE I've heard of.
[01:35] <wallison> zhukov: hope to be one day though!
[01:36] <zhukov> wallison, but its working!Thanks :) Needing it 4 d weekend
[01:36] <wallison> zhukov: glad i could help.
[01:38] <mojo__> wallison: Just for you...  http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
[01:40] <hikaru79> Is it STILL impossible to get Synaptic under the current Hoary? =/
[01:40] <jmhodges> what?
[01:40] <jmhodges> synaptic is builtin..
[01:40] <hikaru79> jmhodges, it's been broken for a while for alot of hoary users
[01:40] <hikaru79> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:40] <hikaru79>   synaptic: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3
[01:40] <hikaru79> E: Broken packages
[01:40] <jmhodges> hikaru79, thats interesting.. i've neever had that issue
[01:40] <hikaru79> Oh =(
[01:40] <jmhodges> and im on hoary :-/
[01:40] <hikaru79> Strange...
[01:41] <hikaru79> I searched on the forum and I'm not the only one with this
[01:41] <wallison> mojo__: thanks, i've seen it though.  my problem seems to be that I can see where programming can be REALLY cool if you're good at it, but learning it is kinda dry.
[01:41] <Neo_654> hikaru79 broke it!
[01:41] <hikaru79> :'(
[01:41] <Sav> anyone know if i can get subtitles for a xvid working in vlc?
[01:41] <_mvo_> hikaru79: do you have any other repositories in your sources.list ?
[01:42] <_mvo_> hikaru79: like http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/ something ...?
[01:42] <mojo__> Something funny my brother sent me... "Dear John" letter to MS, mentions Ubuntu: http://www.easyhttp.com/jad/2005/01/linux-break-up-letter-to-microsoft.html
[01:42] <hikaru79> I have the merillat thing one
[01:42] <zhukov> c u 2morow
[01:42] <_mvo_> hikaru79: that sould be save
[01:43] <mojo__> wallison: yeah, the learning curve.  I am in same position as you.  Want to learn, not sure where to start.  I used to do some (turns head, mumbles Visual Basic) programming, but have not done anything serious for a long time.  Thinking of picking up  C/C++ and Python
[01:44] <hikaru79> The one with all the codecs
[01:44] <hikaru79> Ooooh
[01:44] <wallison> lol
[01:44] <hikaru79> I had backports
[01:44] <hikaru79> As well as hoary
[01:44] <hikaru79> And that seemed to break it
[01:44] <hikaru79> I commented the backports
[01:44] <hikaru79> And all is well ^_^
[01:44] <_mvo_> hikaru79: can you please type "apt-cache madison apt synaptic" in a console (xterm) and /msg it to me?
[01:44] <jmhodges> hmmm.. anyone know the kernel module for the toshiba MK4025 hard drive?
[01:44] <Neo_654> mojo__: you aren't alone.  I'm in the same boat as you.
[01:44] <_mvo_> hikaru79: I would like to know what repository caused the problem
[01:45] <hikaru79> _mvo_, it was the backports repository
[01:45] <hikaru79> But I'll do it anyway =)
[01:45] <mojo__> neo/walli : Yeah but I figure best way is to jump on in.  I would really like to write a good media manager for xmms like the one in winamp, for instance.  I get all the "concepts" just need to learn the language.
[01:45] <wallison> mojo__: that's why i'm downloading ubuntu right now, I like gnome and it also seems to have a lot of python related packages!
[01:46] <hikaru79> _mvo_, I PMed the output to you
[01:47] <mojo__> wallison: don't really know much about python but see it around a lot, and an acquaintane of mine who is a BSD guru seems to be a big fan of python
[01:47] <Neo_654> mojo__: I would like to write something so that I would also feel the last line of that letter instead of only the computer feeling it.
[01:47] <_mvo_> hikaru79: thanks
[01:47] <mojo__> neo which letter? the dear jon or the how to be a hacker?
[01:48] <wallison> mojo__: IIRC it's in the FAQ you mentioned as a good first language, think I'll go with it
[01:48] <hikaru79> Man, _mvo_ you seriously made my day today =)
[01:48] <hikaru79> The loss of synaptic has been hurting me for weeks, literally
[01:48] <hikaru79> <3
[01:48] <_mvo_> hikaru79: great to hear that it works now :)
[01:49] <Neo_654> mojo__: the microsoft break up letter.  I just looked at the one that you posted and it doesn't have the line I was talking about.
[01:49] <Neo_654> _mvo_: what was the cause?
[01:50] <mojo__> wallison: you ever program before?  I have don some PC-Realia Cobol, a little old Borland Turbo Pascal, and Visual Basic back in the 3.x-4.x days.
[01:50] <_mvo_> Neo_654: a bad line in the sources.list pointing to a backports repository it seems
[01:50] <mojo__> walli: but I have "read" lots of C/C++ code so it "looks" familiar even though I never wrote any
[01:50] <wallison> mojo__: no, i can write "hello, world!" in about 3 or 4 languages is all ;^)
[01:51] <Neo_654> _mvo_: why is it that one simple little line can cause such a bad day and outcome?
[01:51] <mojo__> wallison: lol
[01:51] <wallison> mojo__ i think i'll learn Python, you've inspired me!
[01:51] <mojo__> wallison: well every journey begins with the first footsteps.
[01:51] <dorothy> I have done "apt-get install linux-source and the version matches my kernel... but when I try to compile linux-wlan-ng I get the header files are present but not the full source code ... :(
[01:51] <aethyr> hi all, I'm sure this question has been asked, but I spent some time looking earlier... How do you install Hoary for the 3.5 LiveCD?
[01:52] <dorothy> I am using 2.6.8.1-4 in both... :(  but compiling wlan-ng says i don't have source
[01:52] <wallison> mojo__:well, take it easy, I should be running ubuntu next time I login
[01:52] <aethyr> er, "install Hoary _from_ the 3.5 LiveCD"
[01:52] <_mvo_> Neo_654: i haven't really analyzed the problem, but badly expressed dependencies can cause a lot of trouble
[01:52] <mojo__> walli: peace n good luck!
[01:53] <wallison> thanks
[01:54] <Neo_654> Dependants and dependencies are always trying to stir thing up.
[01:59] <dorothy> what is warty 4.10?
[01:59] <|QuaD-> dorothy: the stable version of ubuntu
[01:59] <AndyR> dorothy, current "stable" release of ubuntu
[01:59] <|QuaD-> based on debian sid
[02:00] <dorothy> AndyR, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13173&highlight=wlan <---  says ma111 works with ubuntu 4.10 but it doesn't with me :(
[02:00] <|QuaD-> dorothothy. why not?
[02:01] <AndyR> dorothy, im using a ma401 here at the mo
[02:01] <dorothy> a wlan0 shows up in ifconfig but I cannot access it ... iwconfig doesn't say anything either...
[02:05] <Jezechelle> Anyone available to answer a question or two?
[02:05] <froust> Jezechelle: I can try :)
[02:05] <wasabi_> I just installed 2 new HD's. How do I get em to appear in computer:///
[02:05] <wasabi_> I was expecting them to just be there =/
[02:05] <froust> wasabi - you need to mount them.
[02:05] <wasabi_> the live cd doesn't require that
[02:06] <mlambie> wasabi_, make sure you list them in /etc/fstab
[02:06] <froust> ahh... you're on the live cd... i don't know then.
[02:06] <Jezechelle> froust: thank you, believe me it's much appreciated. I've been using FC2/3 for quite awhile now and am a bit of a fish out of the water
[02:06] <froust> Jezechelle: I'm kinda new at this too, but I'll try.
[02:06] <froust> I've had a bit of experience with fc2
[02:06] <wasabi_> no, im not.
[02:06] <Jezechelle> I have two things puzzling me and if you don't have to give me the answers if you know where to find them that would even help a great deal
[02:07] <mojo__> ttfn gtg
[02:07] <froust> Jezechelle: shoot
[02:07] <Jezechelle> 1. Where do I configure my display/s to enable dual display and change my frequency to 75 from this horrid 60
[02:08] <froust> Jezechelle: Are you in warty or hoary?
[02:08] <Jezechelle> warty
[02:09] <froust> okay... are you in x?
[02:09] <Jezechelle> yes
[02:10] <froust> you could try doing a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:10] <dorothy> what does it mean when a wlan0 shows up but iwconfig wlan0 says no wireless extensions
[02:10] <froust> which will set up xfree86, and allow you to set your monitor settings
[02:11] <Jezechelle> okay I'll give that a try, one moment
[02:11] <froust> alternately, you could edit  your config file manually, which gets ugly.
[02:12] <dorothy> ARGGGG :( :( :(  any wlanners ??
[02:12] <|QuaD-> I am on my cellphone now
[02:12] <|QuaD-> does that count
[02:12] <Jezechelle> okay dpkg-reconfig is giving me instructions to enable dual support directly in the config file, which I can handle now that I know where the heck to start :)
[02:12] <raydogg> anyone run doom3 in ubuntu on an ATI card ?
[02:13] <froust> Jezechelle: let me know if it works for you :)
[02:13] <froust> raydogg: i couldn't get the drivers to work.
[02:13] <raydogg> fglrx ?
[02:13] <froust> yeah
[02:13] <raydogg> arg
[02:13] <froust> i'm on amd64 tho
[02:13] <Jezechelle> I will and if you'll be around for a bit I might pick your brain over something else once I remember what it was heh
[02:13] <froust> sure
[02:16] <_axel> hi, im having problems with hoary, i set my locale to es_ES.UTF-8@euro but it doesnt seem to be working, i get garbage chars where accented chars should be in the console, and eg. my utf8-encoded postgres database complains about non-utf8 input
[02:16] <_axel> errr i mean warty not hoary
[02:16] <Jezechelle> froust: do I need modprobe to find the card's bus identifier?
[02:17] <froust> Jezechelle: I've never done dual monitor stuff.. When I set up mine, I just used the default it supplied... it might not hurt tho?
[02:17] <raydogg> i need an app that lets me make notes on a calendar like i can in MS Visio.
[02:18] <froust> Jezechelle: It seems to be pretty good at figuring things out on its own... Maybe try it with the defaults before getting your hands dirty?
[02:19] <Xirdneh> hi there, need newbee help... how do i install my kernel source code?
[02:20] <Jezechelle> modprobe isn't what I was thinking of... but I'll be darned if I can remember the name of the file I need that lists all of the hardware info in more detail than the Device Manager
[02:21] <froust> ahh... i think i know the one you're talking about... i can't remember either.
[02:21] <dorothy> anyone know a 802.11b card that just works that isn't expensive.. I have already bought 3 cards that don't work...
[02:21] <dorothy> etierh pcmcia (prefer) or usb
[02:21] <Agrajag> If you can pick up a cisco aironet card used it's probably pretty cheap
[02:22] <dorothy> Agrajag, ebay is my friend
[02:22] <marcin_ant> dorothy: define - "don't work"
[02:22] <Agrajag> I got one for $45, probably cheaper now
[02:22] <dorothy> the ma111 shows up but not in iwconfig ...
[02:22] <marcin_ant> dorothy: you mean "don't work" = out of the box? or don't work at all?
[02:22] <AndyR> my netgear ma401 pcmcia was like $15 on ebay
[02:22] <AndyR> and that works just fine
[02:23] <dorothy> marcin_ant, as in this laptop will be with my sis-in-law (10 years old) in a couple days...  so it has to work !
[02:23] <dorothy> marcin_ant, without me explaining everything
[02:23] <hikaru79> Here's another toughie for you guys... Synaptic and apt-get unanimously agree that both vim and vi are installed. However, when I run 'vim' on the command line, I get: bash: vim: command not found
[02:23] <dorothy> AndyR, how did you get it to work or did  it just work?
[02:24] <AndyR> just worked
[02:24] <Neo_654> Anyone ever have any problems with Apache2 not starting when system is rebooted?
[02:24] <AndyR> with wep too
[02:24] <dorothy> AndyR, gonna buy it then ...
[02:24] <Xenguy> hikaru79: looks like maybe vim is not on your PATH ...
[02:24] <dorothy> AndyR, still have to do wep using iwconfig ??
[02:25] <Xenguy> hikaru79: what output do you get for -> ls -l `which vi`
[02:25] <AndyR> i set it up when i installed
[02:25] <Xenguy> hikaru79: note the backticks
[02:25] <hikaru79> Xenguy, shall I PM you the output?
[02:25] <hikaru79> It's about 7 lines long
[02:25] <Xenguy> oh really - OK
[02:26] <hikaru79> Thanks =)
[02:27] <dorothy> AndyR, thanks
[02:28] <varla> does anyone knows if the gnome Network Manager works for warty
[02:32] <ulti|down> hello
[02:33] <mlambie> has anyone used vino successfully? I get prompted with a blank window, and if I enable security it prompts a window with "Question" in the titlebar, and no buttons or text boxes.
[02:34] <Xenguy> Does anyone here running hoary have /usr/bin/vim.org, but not /usr/bin/vim  ?
[02:35] <varla> does gnome network manager works with ubuntu
[02:35] <froust> Xenguy: I don't have vim.org
[02:35] <arthur> Xenguy, just vim heres too
[02:35] <Xenguy> tx folks
[02:36] <ulti|down> narf
[02:36] <ultibuzz> after installing ubuntu and the reboot
[02:36] <ultibuzz> i get grub error 18
[02:36] <ultibuzz> waht does it mean ?
[02:37] <froust> ultibuzz: i think it has something to do with LBA
[02:38] <ultibuzz> mhh
[02:38] <ultibuzz> im searching the docs but still find nothing
[02:38] <stuNNed> was it a political decision not to include Galeon into Ubuntu Warty Warthog?
[02:38] <Agrajag> huh?
[02:38] <Agrajag> Galeon's not even part of gnome
[02:39] <Agrajag> if anything, I'm surprised they don't have epiphany
[02:39] <dissent> ultibuzz, does this help?:  http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB#Error_18
[02:39] <hybrid> hello
[02:39] <Agrajag> but firefox is a bit more capable than epiphany
[02:39] <|QuaD-> why would you want galeon or epiphany over firefox?
[02:40] <Agrajag> |QuaD-: seriously
[02:40] <Agrajag> and you don't need two browsers, ubuntu's about simplicity
[02:40] <hybrid> i have a folder named BitTornado-CVS on my desktop and i need to compile it how do i do that
[02:40] <Agrajag> you install one desktop, one office suite, one browser
[02:40] <eyequeue> i do miss lynx though
[02:40] <Agrajag> hybrid: is there a Makefile?
[02:41] <hybrid> let me check
[02:41] <ultibuzz> dissent: its only a 3 gig hdd just for windows totaly formatet by ubuntu
[02:41] <Fazer> Damn it!
[02:41] <|QuaD-> I likee firefox... I wish they did thunderbird and sunbird
[02:41] <ultibuzz> bios can handel up to 120 gig
[02:41] <okox> i ve upgraded to hoary staying at gdm
[02:41] <Fazer> The Live CD still doesn't work on my thinkpad
[02:41] <Agrajag> I'm pretty sure bittornado is pure python, so you won't be compiling anything
[02:41] <okox> and now  i ve problem with xorg configuration
[02:41] <Agrajag> but there may be a Makefile to make it easy to install
[02:41] <okox> can anybody help me ?
[02:42] <ultibuzz> i reinstall and manually set the partitions
[02:42] <ultibuzz> maybe this works
[02:42] <christor_> How to install the drivers ati on ubuntu?
[02:42] <mike_douglas> how can I make nautilus prompt me for the username/password when it is restricted access to a smb share?
[02:43] <hybrid> agrajag: there is a bt_makeCreateIcons btmakemetafile btmaketorrengui bt-t-make file and they are all .py
[02:43] <Agrajag> oh
[02:43] <Agrajag> all you have to do is run btdownloadgui then, if you want to run it
[02:43] <Agrajag> er, btdownloadgui.py
[02:43] <hybrid> ok
[02:43] <Fazer> what does it mean when the live Cd says this after the splash screen:
[02:43] <Fazer> "Kernel Panic"
[02:43] <Fazer> failed to init
[02:43] <ultibuzz> thx for the link dissent
[02:43] <okox> i am on hoary and i ve problems in xorg confguration, i don know what to do in ordr to solve the problem
[02:44] <eyequeue> |QuaD-:  i can find thunderbird, but no sunbird anywhere
[02:44] <|QuaD-> okox what are the problems
[02:44] <okox> i upgraded to hoary staying in gnome desktop , ( with X open )
[02:44] <|QuaD-> eyequeue: ubuntuguide.com has instructions i think
[02:45] <okox> i don know if it could affect the to the xorg conf
[02:45] <eyequeue> |QuaD-:  for sunbird??
[02:45] <|QuaD-> eyequeue: i think... that coukd be a a guess. i am not using sunbird right now
[02:45] <brainZzZ> I found 31 matches to your query. Here are the 5 most recent (sorted): ^TheDude^ The^Dude^ The^Dude grimreap dudeshowr. ^TheDude^ (TheDude@ip68-107-191-62.cl.ri.cox.net) was last seen joining the partyline on Inf0dudE 7 hours, 28 minutes ago. ^TheDude^ is on the partyline right now.
[02:46] <hybrid> agrajag: Do you want to run "btmaketorrentgui.py" or display its contents      "btmaketorrentgui.py" is an executable text file       run in terminal display canel or run
[02:46] <eyequeue> |QuaD-:  didn't a couple days back
[02:46] <Agrajag> hybrid: you have to run it from a terminal, with the torrent you want to use as the first argument
[02:46] <|QuaD-> eyequeue: you are probably right then... i dont need a pim, i have a pda to do that, it sinks with an internet server
[02:47] <hybrid> well the terminal pos up then exits
[02:47] <Agrajag> hybrid: no
[02:47] <Agrajag> open a terminal.
[02:47] <hybrid> oo ok
[02:47] <hybrid> wut is the command
[02:47] <eyequeue> |QuaD-:  this laptop is my current "pda" lol
[02:47] <Agrajag> ...
[02:47] <Agrajag> dude
[02:47] <Agrajag> it's the file that you want to run
[02:47] <brainZzZ> this laptop is hot
[02:47] <hybrid> oo ok
[02:47] <eyequeue> google for sunbird .deb doesn' show anything other than requests
[02:47] <Agrajag> with the torrent that you want to use with it as the first argument
[02:47] <|QuaD-> eyequeue: i am actually on my pda now... heh
[02:48] <Agrajag> so if btdownloadgui.py is in the current working directory, and some
[02:48] <Agrajag> ergh
[02:48] <okox> quad what op system have the pda ?
[02:48] <shock> er
[02:48] <Agrajag> so if btdownloadgui.py is in the current working directory, and some_file.torrent is in your home directory, you'd do:
[02:48] <shock> i would recommend something else but btdownloadgui
[02:48] <jmhodges> hey, does anyone know if the toshiba mk4250 hard drive is supported in linux in general and ubuntu in specific?
[02:48] <shock> =)
[02:48] <Agrajag> ./btdownloadgui.py ~/some_file.torrent
[02:48] <hybrid> ok
[02:49] <jmhodges> im having some issues with a netboot install not recognizing my hard drive in my tc1100 :-/
[02:49] <Agrajag> shock: he didn't ask for recommendations on a client, he asked how to use the one he got
[02:49] <|QuaD-> okox: its a tmobile sidekick 2
[02:49] <shock> oh ok
[02:49] <Agrajag> hybrid: is there a reason you're using the CVS version?
[02:49] <Agrajag> bittornado-gui is available in the universe repository
[02:49] <shock> http://gnome-bt.sourceforge.net/ <--- works like this: install, double click on a torrent, done :)
[02:49] <hybrid> i extracted the tarball and thats what came out
[02:49] <mlambie> has anyone used vino successfully? I get prompted with a blank window, and if I enable security it prompts a window with "Question" in the titlebar, and no buttons or text boxes.
[02:49] <|QuaD-> okox: once a decently priced linux pda comes out i will get that
[02:50] <Agrajag> hybrid: why didn't you install it from ubuntu's universe repository?
[02:50] <hybrid> i didnt think of that
[02:50] <Agrajag> the package is bittornado-gui
[02:50] <hybrid> ok
[02:50] <Agrajag> install that and all you have to do is double-click a torrent file
[02:51] <Agrajag> or tell firefox to open the file with btdownloadgui
[02:51] <hybrid> ok
[02:51] <jmhodges> :-/
[02:53] <okox>  |quad some ipods linux can be instaled , in few time i supose pda could too
[02:54] <ultibuzz> so
[02:54] <ultibuzz> just a few questions
[02:55] <hybrid> agrajag: is it on archives.ubuntu.com
[02:55] <ultibuzz> 50 mb boot (enough ?) bindpoint /boot ?
[02:55] <Agrajag> hybrid: "it" what?
[02:55] <hybrid> bittornado-gui
[02:55] <Agrajag> uh no
[02:56] <Agrajag> do you have universe enabled?
[02:56] <hybrid> what is universe
[02:56] <jdodson> universe is a way to refer to a collection of ubuntu packages.
[02:56] <Agrajag> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages/
[02:57] <Agrajag> Add universe to your apt repositories, and then install bittornado-gui
[02:57] <carambol> how i eliminate  my root account?
[02:57] <jdodson> carambol: i would not recommend that.
[02:58] <randabis> leave root alone. :p he didn't do anythiny to you
[02:58] <jasonf> hey, I just installed ubuntu alongside my windows (windows is on a 120 IDE, ubuntu is on an 80gb SATA)
[02:58] <carambol> i have made it yesterday
[02:58] <jasonf> and grub locks up when I try to load it
[02:58] <jasonf> I'm on the livecd right now
[02:58] <jasonf> it hangs at "grub loading stage 1.5"
[02:58] <randabis> jasonf, Try setting your hard drives to LBA
[02:59] <randabis> in the bios
[02:59] <jasonf> i believe they already are
[02:59] <eyequeue> carambol:  you want to *disable* it? see ubuntuguide
[02:59] <brainZzZ> EYEQUEUE: well..time for me to split, seeya
[02:59] <randabis> that "might" fix the freeze
[02:59] <eyequeue> bye brainZzZ
[02:59] <brainZzZ> he is talking about eyequeue and mule
[02:59] <carambol> ok, eyequeen
[02:59] <jasonf> randabis: I think they already are
[02:59] <carambol> eyequeue
[02:59] <Agrajag> carambol: you just want to lock out the account again?
[02:59] <Agrajag> sudo passwd -l root
[02:59] <carambol>  i like the sudo thing
[03:00] <jasonf> randabis: what would be step 2 if that doesn't work?
[03:00] <randabis> jasonf, hmm...worth a shot to check at any rate
[03:00] <randabis> jasonf, I dunno
[03:00] <jasonf> hrm
[03:00] <jasonf> okay
[03:00] <carambol> and than i dont need  the root passwd anymore?
[03:00] <jasonf> bbl, going to detach this screen and reboot and try it then
[03:00] <akurashy> hey how do i know if my video card driver is installed?
[03:00] <eyequeue> akurashy:  dmesg
[03:00] <ultibuzz> pls answer me ;D im in middel of install ;D ,question: 50 mb bott enough ? and bind to /boot correct ?
[03:01] <randabis> ultibuzz, yeah that should be plenty
[03:01] <ultibuzz> good ;D
[03:01] <ultibuzz> thx
[03:01] <ultibuzz> and bind to /boot
[03:01] <ultibuzz> is good ?
[03:01] <ultibuzz> or /
[03:01] <randabis> yes
[03:01] <ultibuzz> thx
[03:01] <randabis> set the mount point to /boot
[03:02] <Agrajag> carambol: well, after you do that there is no root password
[03:02] <randabis> I usually do /boot swap / and /home each separate partitions
[03:02] <ultibuzz> switch screen to ubuntu thx for help
[03:02] <ultibuzz> i did the same ;D
[03:02] <necco> who wanted to remove thier root account?
[03:05] <eyequeue> necco:  he just wanted to disable it, iirc
[03:05] <carambol> Agrajag: succeeded no root anymore,thnx
[03:05] <necco> i'll tell you how first change your password to "password" and let us know when
[03:05] <ultibuzz> so its installing ;D
[03:06] <ultibuzz> AGAIN
[03:06] <Agrajag> carambol: ok
[03:06] <ultibuzz> i hope its get the custom and vga=771 ;D
[03:07] <|QuaD-> ultibuzz: it took me 8 installs the first time i installed linux years back
[03:08] <hybrid> |quad: what distro was it
[03:08] <|QuaD-> a derivative of red hat
[03:09] <hybrid> because i am a n00b but it wasn't that hard to install mdk on x86 or ubuntu on ppc now
[03:09] <|QuaD-> a derivative of red hat
[03:09] <ultibuzz> its not linux ;D
[03:09] <hybrid> oo
[03:09] <|QuaD-> hybrid: mandrake install was nice
[03:09] <hybrid> what isnt?
[03:09] <ultibuzz> its debian and the fact that the pc is an old MULTITAINER with an multimediachip called MPACT
[03:09] <hybrid> |quad: yes is was
[03:10] <ultibuzz> and debian has a lot of probs with it ;D
[03:10] <|QuaD-> ultibuzz: debian is linux
[03:10] <ultibuzz> couz suse suxx i need to stick to debian
[03:10] <ultibuzz> i mean with linux the system @ all ;D
[03:11] <gort_> anyone here familiar with mplayer?
[03:11] <gort_> all i get is a black screen and the gui hangs up
[03:11] <gort_> mplayers that is
[03:12] <|QuaD-> ultibuzz: debian IS linux (unless you are using a hurd or bsd port, which I doubt you are)
[03:13] <Agrajag> HURD of Uselessly Re-implemented Daemons
[03:14] <Quest-Master> gort_: Don't use the mplayer from apt-get, it is borked
[03:14] <|QuaD-> agrajag: hurd is microkernel... if it was stable enough I would switch
[03:14] <Quest-Master> gort_: Let me link you to an easy way to get the latest version for Ubuntu, one second
[03:14] <mlambie> |QuaD-, Debian isn't Linux, it's a Linux distribution. Linux is the kernel that Debian runs on, thouh it can use the HURD kernel also. Pedantic but true.
[03:14] <|QuaD-> monolithic kernels are bad
[03:15] <Quest-Master> gort_: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9850
[03:15] <|QuaD-> mlambie: the operating system IS linux. I know about debian hurd and bsddebian
[03:16] <SaggyNuts> is ubuntu a good distribution to learn linux on
[03:16] <Xenguy> |QuaD-: monolithic kernels *work* ;-)
[03:16] <Xenguy> SaggyNuts: IMO yes
[03:16] <raphael> hi
[03:17] <randabis> ouch
[03:17] <randabis> NETSPLIT
[03:17] <pcybill> aye a big one
[03:17] <raphael> can someone help me configuring my grub?
[03:17] <|QuaD-> xenguy: that they do
[03:17] <hybrid> what benifits does bsd have over linux
[03:17] <gort_> Quest-Master, np i got it working, i just had to change the audio output from alsa, ubuntus system sounds were blocking it
[03:17] <regeya> wheeee
[03:17] <|QuaD-> hybrid: none really... both unix clones... some say security
[03:17] <mlambie> |QuaD-, the operating system's kernel is Linux, but an OS is comprised of more than the kernel. It's the system tools used to interact with the kernel too, which are GNU utils in Debian.
[03:17] <pcybill> welcome back =)
[03:17] <|QuaD-> I don't know though
[03:18] <regeya> well, bsd is/was unix
[03:18] <Xenguy> hybrid: none anymore (previously, stability and speed)
[03:18] <randabis> uhh...not exactly
[03:18] <mlambie> |QuaD-, it's the whole point behind GNU/Linux... which I think is valid
[03:18] <randabis> System V was UNIX
[03:18] <hybrid> randabis: wtf is netsplit
[03:18] <hybrid> lol
[03:18] <regeya> though the kernels are not...bsd has source from unix.  some unix systems focus on stability and security, and many bsd systems are slower to change code than linux.  this is both good and bad.
[03:19] <|QuaD-> mlambie: but its still an operating system
[03:19] <randabis> hybrid, basically when an IRC server becomes overloaded, it kicks all of the users connected to that server, and "in theory" will redistribute the load to other mirror IRC servers
[03:19] <dutch> hi crimsun
[03:19] <|QuaD-> a lot like freebsd better than linux... I never tried it though
[03:19] <Quest-Master> gort_: Great.
[03:20] <jasonf> randabis: i reinstalled and put my /boot on a little bit of free space on my ide drive and it works now
[03:20] <Stew2> Hey, IRSSI. Pretty cool. Does the image for current hoary not go into X by default? It didn't when I did an install from the current Hoary ISO. I'm running apt-get upgrade in another session right now.
[03:20] <hybrid> xenguy & |quad: okay because when i was looking to move to *nix i noticed bsders hate linux
[03:20] <hybrid> exspecially gpl
[03:20] <randabis> jasonf, awesome
[03:20] <hybrid> but gpl is better than the bsd liscence
[03:20] <randabis> regeya, whatcha lookin' at?!?! :p
[03:20] <nomasteryoda> anyone need a gmail account?
[03:20] <jasonf> randabis: it's ghetto how it reboots to get X tho, what's the use in the CD, lol
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> Stew2: hoary goes into gdm same as warty
[03:20] <Xenguy> hybrid: it works both ways, but not everyone is unable to 'live and let live'
[03:20] <hybrid> randabis: oo ok thanx
[03:21] <jasonf> randabis: /me grumbles
[03:21] <|QuaD-> hybrid: from my observations, there is more support for linux
[03:21] <hybrid> lol
[03:21] <Xenguy> hybrid: most people are tolerant is what I meant
[03:21] <randabis> regeya, it's okay. I realize there was a BSD UNIX
[03:21] <Xenguy> hybrid: yes, linux community tends to be more willing to support...
[03:21] <|QuaD-> hybrid: I have a professor that loves freebsd, but won't touch linux... no idea why
[03:22] <brainZzZ> i have no idea why
[03:22] <randabis> but when I think UNIX, I think AT&T System V
[03:22] <stuNNed> right
[03:22] <Stew2> hrdwrbob Huh. I had this machine I'm on now, a micron millenia with a P3 500 go into Kernel Panic under fedora core 3 while I was away. I pulled out the memory and video card and put them back in. The video glitch on startup went away, and the kernel panic was still there. So I decided to wipe and reinstall, using this current Hoary ISO.
[03:22] <randabis> jasonf, hmm
[03:22] <stuNNed> commercial grade unix
[03:22] <Xenguy> hybrid: the licenses are also different (BSD vs. GPL for example)
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> Stew2: sounds like dodgy hardware
[03:22] <regeya> well, I suppose if you wanted to be really anal-retentive, you could point out what 'bsd' is
[03:22] <regeya> or was
[03:22] <hybrid> |quad: yes thats why i swapped because i am a total n00b but i still get awesome help better than any tech support
[03:23] <randabis> regeya, appologies
[03:23] <randabis> :)
[03:23] <SaggyNuts> Xenguy what should i download amd64 iso or i386 iso
[03:23] <raphael> hey, can someone help me configuring grub, i cant make it to boot m$ os
[03:23] <jasonf> randabis: the cds they sent out ... is that the "testing" version of ubuntu, or are you guys  on a completely different versioning system?
[03:23] <Stew2> hrdwrbob Hmmm. Well, it came from Freegeek. It certainly could be. One of the meth or ex meth addicts in the back.
[03:23] <brainZzZ> i already have the police box set, should i download synchronicity as well?
[03:23] <eyequeue> raphael:  read the top of /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:23] <|QuaD-> hybrid: I reccomend staying with linux
[03:23] <Xenguy> SaggyNuts: depends on your hardware -- I expect if yer asking that question, you want i386  :-)
[03:23] <randabis> jasonf, ubuntu "unstable" is called Hoary and is version 5.04
[03:23] <Stew2> hrdwrbob I'm a little sketchy on some of the volunteers myself.
[03:23] <Xirdneh> hello again, you know why this happens?... FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[03:23] <hybrid> Xenguy: yea the bsd liscence is what the mac os is on right?
[03:23] <randabis> I run it, as do a number of others here
[03:23] <regeya> brainZzZ, I don't know; tell me your meatspace name and address, and I'll let you know.
[03:24] <|QuaD-> hybrid: no it isn't... macos isn't open source
[03:24] <brainZzZ> regeya, After my collection is vast and wide, I'll let you know.
[03:24] <randabis> When it is released, it will replaced warty (the official release on the CDs)
[03:24] <hybrid> |QuaD: i will i like ubuntu
[03:24] <steve> does anyone know how to get an internal sd card reader to work
[03:24] <raphael> eyequeue, i read that, i falowe the exemple and i get an error msm when i select win to boot
[03:24] <regeya> heh
[03:24] <Xenguy> hybrid: yer probably thinking of OSX
[03:24] <hybrid> |QuaD: but mac os isnt completely closed
[03:24] <Stew2> Hrdwrbob I might bug you in a coupla minutes if apt-get upgrade is done and it's down.
[03:24] <eyequeue> raphael:  that's about all o know of ms
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> Stew2: cool
[03:24] <regeya> OOH someone tell me the source of 'meatspace'
[03:24] <hybrid> Xenguy: oo only osx
[03:24] <SaggyNuts>  Xenguy ok i'll try it thank u
[03:24] <brainZzZ> regeya: Can someone tell me the name of the program thats lets you use your palm as a remote for tv/dvd
[03:24] <eyequeue> regeya:  meatware
[03:24] <Xenguy> OSX is based on FreeBSD, but it is not free software
[03:25] <raphael> eyequeue, sorry?
[03:25] <regeya> lkjlkj;jkl;jlk
[03:25] <|QuaD-> I want a g5 power book
[03:25] <randabis> Xirdneh, I had that happen to me...It turned out I was using an incorrect driver
[03:25] <hybrid> |QuaD: no u dont wifi doesnt work with linux thats why i got an ibook g3 instead of g4
[03:25] <eyequeue> regeya:  hardware software firmware meatware/wetware
[03:25] <Xirdneh> randabis, thanx let me serch for another :S
[03:25] <Stew2> HrdwrBob: The first time I ran apt-get upgrade, after the Hoary ISO install, it upgraded the HAL. The rest of the process ran like a dog after that. I figured since the hardware interface stopped and started, it was just a litte much for the box. So I left it. For a couple of days. This is installed at a bookstore.
[03:26] <|QuaD-> hybrid. I want a g5 not g4
[03:26] <randabis> Xirdneh, meaning that I installed the wrong driver with ndiswrapper -i
[03:26] <Stew2> Quad everyone wants a G5.
[03:26] <brainZzZ> it installed the wrong drivers for the nvidia video card
[03:26] <hybrid> |QuaD: wireless runs perfect out of the box with linux on g3.... yea but g4 and g5 have airport extreme thats incompatiable its a winmodem
[03:26] <brainZzZ> its a tv tuner
[03:27] <|QuaD-> stew2: did you read the news.com article today?
[03:27] <Xenguy> SaggyNuts: yw
[03:27] <Stew2> quad nope. I've been working on a portland dumpster guide.
[03:27] <|QuaD-> hybrid: I would keep osx on it... keep my desktops with linux
[03:27] <Stew2> quad what did it say?
[03:27] <raphael> eyequeue, what should i do then?
[03:27] <|QuaD-> I mainly ssh and do everything in cli (on my cell now)
[03:27] <hybrid> |QuaD: oo well yea it loox pleasing well the leaks do lol
[03:27] <dbt`veritas> rofl
[03:28] <eyequeue> raphael:  othr than that, i don't know
[03:28] <Stew2> God, this ISRSSI client brings me back to commadore 64 days with a tv monitor and a 1200 baud modem.
[03:28] <raphael> eyequeue, ok
[03:28] <|QuaD-> STEW2 THEY AREN'T EVEN CLOSE to getting one out due to heat and size and battery
[03:28] <eyequeue> irssi rocks, especially under screen(1)
[03:28] <Stew2> quad What, an ibook G5?
[03:28] <dbt`veritas> he wishes
[03:28] <|QuaD-> I am using screen and irssi eyequeue
[03:29] <|QuaD-> stew2: powerbook g5
[03:29] <eyequeue> i miss it, but i'm doing gui for a little while
[03:29] <hybrid> anyone wanna guess what the new powerbooks are gonna be made of
[03:29] <Stew2> hardwarebob It's unpacking, configuring
[03:29] <dbt`veritas> hybrid: what?
[03:29] <hybrid> alumium the titanium now i say platnom juss to make their stox go up
[03:30] <|QuaD-> I bet they won't change the design of the g5 powerbooks
[03:30] <|QuaD-> it looks nice enough
[03:30] <farruinn> I would be surprised if we don't see a pb G5 by the end of the year
[03:30] <hybrid> dbt`vertas: the powerboox are in a titanium casing but they have been in aluminum b4 and i was takin bets at what they will use next
[03:31] <dbt`veritas> i don't think we will see the g5 in a pb for some time
[03:31] <Stew2> hybrid Gold. Solid, soft and heavy.
[03:31] <Stew2> hybrid At least it doesn't rust. Stays shiney.
[03:31] <hybrid> |QuaD: yea it does look good but if you are a real unix geek osx isnt unixy enuff
[03:31] <hybrid> Stew2: lol
[03:31] <raphael> help here, i would like to know how to configure menu.lst file form grub in oreder to male it boot windows
[03:31] <dbt`veritas> osx is too
[03:32] <|QuaD-> hybrid: I would use it as a dumb terminal
[03:32] <|QuaD-> to ssh in
[03:32] <Stew2> I'm so glad I don't listen to punk. It's off-topic, but the bookstore guy likes angry punk. If there ever wasn't a more non-musical thing to listen too. Don't take me wrong. I like good sounding punk. Just not this crap (irritated).
[03:32] <|QuaD-> and xwindows
[03:32] <dbt`veritas> ssh -l me ur.mom.edu
[03:33] <eyequeue> |QuaD-:  lol, ironically that's exactly what i did on osx, terminal and ssh to a debian machine where i ran all the real apps under screen, heh
[03:33] <hybrid> |QuaD: it lacks in commands it is more of an emulator but fink looks promising on it
[03:33] <hybrid> |QuaD: never did use ssh in it but i think telnet is patched on it
[03:33] <hybrid> ...
[03:33] <|QuaD-> eyequeue: yeah thats what  i want... horse power on that
[03:34] <|QuaD-> hybrid: i dont want telnet... insecure
[03:34] <moquist_> anybody else had a weird problem where some fonts (only monospace, I think) don't render at all in FF?
[03:34] <Stew2> hardwarebob it's still doin stuff. let you know. just a minute now..
[03:34] <froust> i gotta figure screen out
[03:34] <hybrid> |QuaD: i came from winblows and thats all i knew but i am looking into ssh
[03:34] <hybrid> i gotta find i good shell account
[03:34] <moquist_> froust: what do you need to figure out about it?  (just how to use it in general?)
[03:35] <shock> gn8 all
[03:35] <|QuaD-> ihybrid: for webbrowsing, and sshing its fine
[03:35] <Xenguy> froust: the man page is reasonable - it is well worth learning.  A really useful app.
[03:35] <froust> moquist_: yeah
[03:35] <froust> Xenguy: yeah, i noticed that... quite possibly one of the more useful ones i've seen
[03:36] <hybrid> b4 gui's how did ppl comminucate on the web? besides bbs
[03:36] <hybrid> was there anything else
[03:36] <hybrid> ?
[03:36] <Stew2> hyrbid ?
[03:36] <jasonf> moquist: so do I :)
[03:36] <moquist> froust: would an introductory how-to be helpful (i've written one), or are you the type of person to go straight to the advanced stuff?
[03:36] <|QuaD-> alright I am leaving. my thumbs are getting tired (gotta love thumb keyboards) adios. oh, and if you want to send me a new g4 powerbook let me know
[03:36] <Stew2> hyrbid I thought the web = internet.
[03:36] <jasonf> moquist: very helpful over SSH when you have a good server
[03:36] <jasonf>  21:36:34 up 7 days,  3:31,  2 users,  load average: 1.00, 1.02, 1.00
[03:36] <moquist> jasonf: heh - that's why I'm always here and seldom paying attention 8-o
[03:36] <Stew2> hybrid :)
[03:36] <|QuaD-> hybrid: I use naim and irssi
[03:36] <moquist> jasonf: exactly.  or even if you have a fast server.
[03:37] <Xenguy> hybrid: usenet/newsgroups for one (pre-dates the web tho ;-)
[03:37] <jasonf> |QuaD-: naim is an .... interesting ... app
[03:37] <moquist> I have one instance of irssi, and I can connect from anywhere in the world... :)
[03:37] <Stew2> How do I configure this hoary box for X now? Apt-get sent me back to a prompt.
[03:37] <brainZzZ> go back to AOL
[03:37] <Xenguy> the web is a subset of the Net
[03:37] <hybrid> Stew2: like how did they comminucate with out browsers and not graphics. i mean i know of bbs but what else was there
[03:37] <HrdwrBoB> moquist: yes!
[03:37] <|QuaD-> jasonf: it works... i primarily use naim thoough
[03:37] <Stew2> hybrid Gopher. Usenet news. Email. IRC.
[03:37] <moquist> Stew2: is GDM running?
[03:37] <Orcrist> does the current release of hoary have the bootsplash enabled yet? or are they adding that on official release?
[03:37] <|QuaD-> hybrid: links
[03:38] <jasonf> |QuaD-: yeah, I've used it before when I've borked X
[03:38] <eyequeue> hybrid:  'THE WEB'? you mean "online" perhaps?
[03:38] <|QuaD-> jasonf: yeah
[03:38] <hybrid> oo ok
[03:38] <|QuaD-> alright
[03:38] <|QuaD-> leaving now
[03:38] <Stew2> moquist hrdwrbob Nope.
[03:38] <moquist> Stew2: or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  if you really need to reconfigure
[03:38] <jasonf> |QuaD-: don't think I could use it on a regular basis tho
[03:38] <hybrid> i aint old enuff to have seen that
[03:38] <moquist> Stew2: /etc/init.d/gdm start (or restart)
[03:38] <|QuaD-> jasonf: i have... but ims you need a gui... its better
[03:38] <Stew2> moquist hrdwrbob Yes. This thing doesn't boot into GDM.
[03:38] <brainZzZ> "At no point are liberals or Democrats taken to task for not speaking out against the war, and I would have liked to have seen that."
[03:38] <moquist> Stew2: er, is it supposed to?
[03:39] <Stew2> moquist hrdwrbob Mabye I got this wrong. Okay, it TRIES to boot X. This is supposed to be a normal workstation. Nothing special.
[03:39] <moquist> Stew2: what happens when you run 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start'?
[03:39] <bitfoo> anyone know of
[03:39] <Stew2> moquist hrdwrbob Failed on starting the GDM.
[03:39] <moquist> Stew2: OK
[03:39] <bitfoo> a desktop manager that does animation or 3d :O
[03:39] <bitfoo> kind of like a video game menu screen :|
[03:39] <moquist> Stew2: try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[03:40] <bitfoo> or perhaps such a thing does not exist o_O
[03:40] <farruinn> bitfoo: I thought that's what 3dwm was?
[03:40] <bitfoo> oh i dunno, i only knew of 3ddesktop :O
[03:41] <akurashy> what 3ddesktop for?
[03:41] <Stew2> moquist hrdwrbob What command do I run to configure everything (x ish)
[03:41] <Stew2> moquist it scrolled off the screen. dpkg-reconfigure... it's got xorg on it.
[03:41] <farruinn> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:41] <farruinn> prepend sudo of course
[03:41] <moquist> Stew2: I don't understand what you mean.  "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" scrolled off the screen?
[03:42] <bitfoo> no farruinn thats not what i am looking for thanks though
[03:42] <Stew2> moquist I'm using this shell based irc chat client. X isn't running.
[03:43] <brainZzZ> unhygenic *** isn't all that cool, imho
[03:43] <Stew2> moquist And Uh-oh. I got an error:
[03:43] <ultibuzz> well its installing ALL ;D
[03:43] <ultibuzz> didnt take the custome @ boot ;D
[03:43] <moquist> Stew2: re: irc client - good.  that way we can keep talking while you configure X.  :)
[03:43] <Stew2> moquist /usr/bin/dexconf: line 523 syntax error: unexpected end of file
[03:43] <brainZzZ> line 30: syntax error: unexpected end of file
[03:43] <hybrid> does every program have to be compiled to run on linux?
[03:44] <Stew2> moquist totally by accident. And you have an easier nick to spell than hardware bob's.
[03:44] <Stew2> moquist I typed irc. The rest is history. Or mabye, legendary ;)
[03:44] <jasonf> \
[03:44] <Stew2> moquist Is there something I can reinstall with apt-get to fix the unexpected end of file error?
[03:45] <Stew2> moquist I'm kinda a noobie.
[03:45] <moquist> Stew2: uh, I haven't ever seen that error.  Or any error from dpkg-reconfigure, from that matter.
[03:45] <eyequeue> hybrid:  every program that can be needs to on any platform, but ... most on ubuntu already are for you
[03:45] <farruinn> hybrid: why wouldn't it be? unless it's an interpreted language I guess
[03:45] <moquist> Stew2: np.  i'm thinking...
[03:45] <Stew2> moquist It's when I was picking the color depth in xserver-xorg
[03:45] <moquist> Stew2: do you know that xorg is installed and xfree86 is uninstalled?
[03:45] <Stew2> moquist Xfree86 was never installed. This is from a Hoary ISO current disk
[03:46] <Stew2> moquist I downloaded and burned it last week.
[03:46] <llamakc> there are 2 peeps on ubuntuforums with the same dexconf error
[03:46] <Stew2> moquist it definitely has Xorg on it.
[03:46] <moquist> Stew2: oh!  I've never tried one of those...
[03:46] <kbrooks> xorg > *
[03:46] <Stew2> llamakc crap. how do I fix it?
[03:46] <moquist> Stew2: well, then I'd try starting off with very conservative X settings - low res, low color depth.
[03:46] <llamakc> they don't say
[03:46] <Stew2> moquist did you catch that? other people with the same problem.
[03:46] <farruinn> Stew2: dpkg -S dexconf returned package xserver-common for me
[03:47] <code> can someone help me with my sound card?
[03:47] <Stew2> farruinn So I force a reinstall of xserver-common then?
[03:47] <moquist> Stew2: oh.  sorry.
[03:47] <llamakc> weird. line 523 is the last line of the dexconf file
[03:47] <moquist> Stew2: I know that warty -> hoary upgrade works fine - I just did it an hour ago.
[03:47] <farruinn> Stew2: might be worth a shot...
[03:47] <Stew2> moquist It's not an upgrade. I dont' have a warty cd. I just got the hoary disk.
[03:48] <llamakc> why not use xorgcfg
[03:48] <Stew2> moquist seems like it might be a simple error.
[03:48] <eyequeue> llamakc:  i have no idea what your issue is, but, commonly if at error points to the last line of a file, that may mean you forgot to close some quote or paren, etc
[03:48] <moquist> Stew2: I wasn't clear; sorry.  I meant that if you happen to have a Warty CD, it might be worth installing that and then upgrading.
[03:48] <hybrid> is the hoary cd built for ppc yet?
[03:48] <Stew2> llamakc Cause I'm doing what people tell me to do. If you think xorgcfg will work better, I'll do that.
[03:48] <moquist> Stew2: but that's dumb - you should force a reinstall of Xorg.
[03:48] <heliolith> hey all; Gaim prompts me to update but when I goto their DL page, there's not a Ubuntu (nor debian) specific build.  It's not yet available via Ubuntu, so is their a relatively simple way of upgrading to the newer version?  DL page here: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/downloads.php
[03:48] <eyequeue> llamakc:  if it's a config file you edited, that may be it, if not, well, ignore it
[03:48] <code> when i try to play a file in xmms it says it cant play b/c my sound is getting blocked/not configured?
[03:48] <eyequeue> llamakc:  s/it/me/
[03:48] <llamakc> not my problem but yep. /usr/bin/dexconf gives that error for stew2 and two at ubuntuforums
[03:48] <heliolith> err I mean to say not available via Synaptic
[03:49] <code> sound card
[03:49] <moquist> Stew2: I'd 'apt-get remove xserver-xorg', and maybe xserver-common, too.  then apt-get install them both again.
[03:50] <farruinn> heliolith: you could check backports for it, compile it yourself, get it from debian, etc
[03:50] <brainZzZ> farruinn: where you get it from
[03:50] <farruinn> but none of those methods are supported by canonical or particularly the best idea
[03:51] <farruinn> well, maybe compiling it yourself... but still
[03:51] <moquist> i'll ask again, just in case different people are watching now: monospace fonts don't render for me at all in FF.  any ideas?
[03:51] <tabmoW> will ubuntu run good on my laptop? centrino 1.7ghz - 512mbram - 30gb - wlan - 15.4" - touchpad - dvdrw
[03:51] <farruinn> brainZzZ: what, backports?
[03:51] <brainZzZ> like what, cocs?
[03:51] <moquist> tabmoW: yes
[03:51] <froust> moquist: probably the howto
[03:51] <Stew2> moquist well, i started apt-get remove xserver-xorg
[03:51] <alainm> ubuntu rocks
[03:51] <code> how do i configure my sound card?????????????
[03:51] <moquist> alainm: what are you doing?  trying to start a fight??!?  ;)
[03:52] <alainm> tabmoW: is smokes on a 900Mhz
[03:52] <alainm> is =  it
[03:52] <alainm> :)
[03:52] <Guardiann> alainm so i assume you like it then
[03:52] <tabmoW> will my touchpad and all that work out of the box? i got v4.10
[03:52] <moquist> tabmoW: I'm doing development on a laptop with 256MB, centrino 1.4-or-so, and it runs Ubuntu like a champ.
[03:52] <heliolith> which option would you most likely opt for if you felt that the update were particularly important (it's not necessarily.... any good urls for a newbie to learn "how to" compile something... I have not done that yet.
[03:52] <jasonf> what is the default root p/w for an ubuntu install?
[03:53] <farruinn> tabmoW: you could try the livecd
[03:53] <code> someone please!!!!!!!!!
[03:53] <moquist> jasonf: sudo su -
[03:53] <randabis> there is no root password jasonf
[03:53] <alainm> Guardiann: yes i do.. i have been running it for 2 wks, and it has changed the way i run linux on my laptop
[03:53] <moquist> jasonf: and then type your own password
[03:53] <jasonf> randabis: that's horrible !
[03:53] <llamakc> how about some info code?
[03:53] <moquist> jasonf: or just prepend every command with 'sudo'
[03:53] <randabis> why is that horrible?
[03:53] <llamakc> and less exclamations
[03:53] <moquist> jasonf: ha!  that's 'cuz you can't log in as root at all.  :)
[03:53] <alainm> code: whats wrong?
[03:53] <randabis> using sudo is far more secure than having a root account
[03:53] <tabmoW> and does ubuntu have an easy updating process? like apt-get or anything?
[03:53] <code> when i try to play a mp3 in xmms its it cant play
[03:54] <alainm> tabmoW: yes
[03:54] <code> the sound card
[03:54] <moquist> tabmoW: hehehe.  yes!  ubuntu is based on Debian.  :D
[03:54] <Stew2> ARG! Okay, I removed xserver-xorg and xserver-common. And when I tried apt-get install xserver-xorg, I got /usr/bin/dexconf line 523 syntax error unexpected end of file.
[03:54] <jasonf> moquist: what?
[03:54] <llamakc> did you install gstreamer0.8-mad?
[03:54] <moquist> tabmoW: so "just like apt-get" in fact.
[03:54] <jasonf> moquist: what the hell, I wanna login as root!
[03:54] <code> yes
[03:54] <brainZzZ> end of story.'/
[03:54] <hybrid> wtf is screen
[03:54] <tabmoW> ok i will install it now i guess ;oP
[03:54] <hybrid> the app
[03:54] <moquist> jasonf: 'sudo su -'
[03:54] <farruinn> code: do you get sound from other types of files? maybe you don't have mp3 support
[03:54] <randabis> jasonf why do you want to login as root?
[03:54] <jasonf> moquist: it asks me for a password
[03:54] <eyequeue> screen (1)           - screen manager with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation
[03:54] <moquist> jasonf: type your password
[03:54] <randabis> there's absolutely no reason to
[03:54] <jasonf> moquist: my as in my user password?
[03:54] <moquist> jasonf: and then type 'passwd' and make up a password for root, if you must.
[03:54] <moquist> jasonf: yes.
[03:54] <hybrid> oo ok thnx eyequeue
[03:54] <code> no
[03:55] <llamakc> Stew2: thats ok. dexconf is the debian-type of frontend for configuring X
[03:55] <code> i cant get any sound to play
[03:55] <BlueWeasel> I'm trying out Linux for the first time and still use the graphic tools a good bit. How can I use Gedit to edit fstab w/o the conf file being readonly?
[03:55] <llamakc> and it is trying to remove the old XF86Config-4 file
[03:55] <llamakc> but you don't have one
[03:55] <randabis> BlueWeasel, sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[03:55] <heliolith> blueweasel: sudo gedit /path/to/file
[03:55] <BlueWeasel> if I run sudo gedit /etc/fstab......it obviously works fine
[03:55] <moquist> Stew2: having any luck?
[03:55] <Agrajag> BlueWeasel: uh, then do that?
[03:55] <Stew2> llamakc unexpected end of file is the error from trying to remove xf86config-4 and I don't have one?
[03:55] <Stew2> ARG! Okay, I removed xserver-xorg and xserver-common. And when I tried apt-get install xserver-xorg, I got /usr/bin/dexconf line 523 syntax error unexpected end of file.
[03:55] <brainZzZ> is it good that i don't have one?
[03:55] <Stew2> See above moquist.
[03:56] <daniels> Stew2: that's been fixed on hoary
[03:56] <moquist> froust: you mentioned a howto, possibly in answer to my question about fixing monospace fonts in FF.  where is this howto?
[03:56] <Stew2> llamakc Do I need one first, what do I do?
[03:56] <BlueWeasel> it's not possible to go in from the graphic gedit with full access?
[03:56] <daniels> s/on/in/
[03:56] <daniels> actually, no it hasn't
[03:56] <Stew2> daniels: I have hoary on this box, from a CD ISO downloaded last week!
[03:56] <daniels> it's been fixed locally, will upload to hoary hopefully tonight, possibly tomorrow
[03:56] <Stew2> Daniels Fixed my ass.
[03:56] <daniels> Stew2: if it was fixed in haory, it would've been fixed two days ago
[03:56] <daniels> Stew2: watch the language.
[03:56] <Stew2> daniels What do I do in the meantime.
[03:57] <froust> moquist: i was afk... i was referring to the screen howto
[03:57] <farruinn> BlueWeasel: put a launcher on your gnome-panel or in a menu that runs the command 'gksudo gedit'
[03:57] <code> any suggestions?
[03:57] <farruinn> name it root editor or whatever
[03:57] <BlueWeasel> gotcha ...thanks!
[03:57] <Stew2> SO what do I do in the meantime?
[03:57] <moquist> froust: k, hang on.
[03:58] <randabis> you could take a walk, eat some cheetos
[03:58] <BlueWeasel> OK, next question... I have a FAT32 partition (hda5) mounted as /mnt/data
[03:58] <moquist> Stew2: have you done "apt-get update" and 'apt-get upgrade'?
[03:58] <moquist> Stew2: you should do both before continuing, if you haven't done them already
[03:58] <BlueWeasel> I find I can't create directories on this partition using Natilus..whats the problem?
[03:59] <randabis> BlueWeasel, can you create them via CLI?
[03:59] <Stew2> moquist Done already.
[03:59] <Stew2> moquist 10 minutes ago.
[03:59] <moquist> Stew2: oh.  hmm...
[03:59] <BlueWeasel> sorry..CLI?
[03:59] <randabis> command line interface
[03:59] <randabis> the terminal
[03:59] <Stew2> moquist Daniels said this 'stuff wasn't fixed.
[03:59] <BlueWeasel> let me see...
[04:00] <Stew2> moquist there isn't an xf86config-4 though, or what not.
[04:00] <keyvan> hey i just installed ubuntu on my notebook computer
[04:00] <moquist> Stew2: what version of xserver-common do you have?  ('dpkg -l | grep xserver-common')
[04:00] <Stew2> moquist in /etc/X11
[04:00] <code> how do make xmms play a file??
[04:00] <moquist> I have "xserver-common 6.8.1-1ubuntu1 files and utilities common to all X servers"
[04:00] <farruinn> Stew2: it's Xorg.conf
[04:00] <randabis> xorg.conf not Xorg.conf :)
[04:00] <farruinn> sorry, thanks =)
[04:01] <Stew2> moquist 6.8.1-1ubuntu
[04:01] <Stew2> moquist same
[04:01] <randabis> just gotta remember that *nix is case sensitive :)
[04:01] <randabis> I have hoary on 3 boxes :)
[04:01] <moquist> Stew2: uh, 6.8.1-1ubuntu is different from 6.8.1-1ubuntu1
[04:01] <hybrid> is there anyone in here with ubuntu on ppc??
[04:01] <Stew2> Well, I still get the error 523 end of file.
[04:01] <Stew2> moquist I have the same one. I just didn't want to type it all out.
[04:01] <farruinn> hybrid: yeah, what's up?
[04:01] <moquist> hybrid: not me.  sorry - my wife won't let me touch her iBook.  ;)
[04:02] <randabis> moquist, that's because a newer release of xserver was released yesterday I think
[04:02] <moquist> Stew2: heh, k.
[04:02] <hybrid> farruin: well should i go ahead and get the ben h kernal or stay with the default one
[04:02] <moquist> randabis: but Stew2 should have the same version (and apparently s/he does)
[04:02] <randabis> yeah
[04:02] <llamakc> Stew2: you have two other choices: xorgcfg and xorgconfig to run from the cli
[04:02] <Stew2> Can I install and older version so I don't get this end of file error?
[04:03] <moquist> Stew2: definitely worth a try.  I don't know how to force a version with apt.  (only emerge... ;)
[04:03] <randabis> You might be able to run xfree86 with hoary instead of xorg
[04:03] <regeya> oh, and for whatever reason the tone controls on my sb live 5.1 don't seem to work, though others do.  could this be an alsa issue?
[04:03] <farruinn> hybrid: I would stay with the current one
[04:03] <randabis> yeah, I'd leave the HURD kernel alone :p
[04:04] <farruinn> hybrid: I suppose there are some benefits if you have a lapotop, but I would strongly suggest sticking with default
[04:04] <BlueWeasel> is it not possible to access a mounted FAT32 partition without root?
[04:04] <llamakc> what does your fstab look like weasel?
[04:04] <farruinn> BlueWeasel: make sure you have user in the options column
[04:05] <BlueWeasel> here's my fstab:  /dev/hda5  /mnt/data  vfat  user,rw,exec  0  0
[04:05] <moquist> froust: screen howto: http://majen.net/docs/how-to-screen.txt
[04:05] <llamakc> change user to users
[04:06] <froust> moquist: thanks :)
[04:07] <BlueWeasel> I'm still getting permission denied when running cd /mnt/data
[04:07] <BlueWeasel> and I ran sudo mount -a to reload fstab
[04:07] <llamakc> permission denied is different than not mounted too
[04:08] <Stew2> moquist this box is jacked up.
[04:08] <Stew2> moquist /format /all
[04:08] <Stew2> moquist that's what's next....
[04:08] <randabis> BlueWeasel, try adding umask=0000 to the user part
[04:08] <BlueWeasel> how do I set permissions for my non-root user?
[04:08] <randabis> see above
[04:08] <Vjaz> BlueWeasel: running mount without parameters will show you if it's mounted
[04:09] <Stew2> moquist AND i'm taking shit from the stupid punk running the bookstore.
[04:09] <Vjaz> BlueWeasel: If you want to be sur.
[04:09] <Vjaz> s/sur/sure/
[04:09] <Stew2> SORRY about the language Daniels.
[04:09] <moquist> froust: I just updated the screen howto again.  :)
[04:09] <randabis> he wouldn't get permission denied if the drive wasn't mounted
[04:09] <Stew2> moquist Dunno what I'll do.
[04:09] <Xenguy> moquist: which screen HOWTO ?
[04:10] <farruinn> doesn't he need permission for the dir it's mounted to?
[04:10] <moquist> Xenguy: nothing fancy... http://majen.net/docs/how-to-screen.txt
[04:10] <Stew2> quit
[04:10] <moquist> Stew2: sorry, I don't know what to tell you
[04:10] <tabmoW> anyone else get a PnPBios error upon reboot?
[04:10] <moquist> o bye.
[04:10] <Xenguy> moquist: tx
[04:10] <moquist> Xenguy: np
[04:10] <BlueWeasel> grrr....permission still denied
[04:10] <froust> moquist: it looks nice :)
[04:11] <randabis> BlueWeasel, try changing the permissions on the folder itself
[04:11] <randabis> or changing the owner
[04:11] <brainZzZ> randabis: if the permissions on them are sane (u+r at least) then i'm not sure what's up. but i'm no expert ;)
[04:11] <randabis> something like
[04:11] <randabis> chmod -R 7777 /mnt/data
[04:12] <randabis> or just 777 whatever
[04:12] <randabis> could also try
[04:12] <randabis> chown -R username /mnt/data
[04:12] <moquist> froust, Xenguy: ok, one more update, relating to using irssi in screen.  and I added an RCS version.  and I'll shut up about it now.  :)
[04:13] <code> ok i need help configuring my sound card
[04:13] <Xenguy> moquist: nice job
[04:13] <code> can someone please help me?
[04:14] <froust> i'm debating switching from bx to irssi... just tyring to find out why :P
[04:14] <BlueWeasel> randabis: runnig chown gives me operation not permitted on every file
[04:14] <randabis> BlueWeasel, you have to add sudo
[04:14] <randabis> sudo chown
[04:14] <moquist> Xenguy: thanks.  it's nice to be appreciated.  (I wrote this for other people, who never thanked me as I recall... :)
[04:14] <Xenguy> froust: BX's obnoxious /quit messages are the main reason if you ask me
[04:14] <eyequeue> froust:  /help connect :)
[04:14] <BlueWeasel> I did...I ran "sudo chown -R myusername /mnt/data
[04:14] <Xenguy> moquist: that can happen ;-)
[04:14] <randabis> hmm
[04:15] <randabis> what about chmod?
[04:15] <randabis> chmod -R 777 /mnt/data
[04:15] <randabis> with sudo of course :)
[04:16] <BlueWeasel> running sudo chmod still gives me permission denied
[04:16] <randabis> strange
[04:16] <code> noone can help me?
[04:16] <randabis> I dunno man
[04:16] <moquist> augh!  when monospace fonts don't display, pages like http://tinyurl.com/3ztu5 are totally unusable.  8-E
[04:17] <randabis> code, it usually help to know what the problem is...just throw your question out there
[04:17] <randabis> if someone can help, they'll be glad to
[04:17] <BlueWeasel> oh well...I'll just chaulk it up to learning experience
[04:18] <farruinn> BlueWeasel: try posting your question to ubuntuforums.org or the mailing list
[04:18] <code> i try to play any audio file in a couple of apps and they dont work
[04:18] <mlambie> BlueWeasel, check out lsattr and chattr
[04:18] <code> its says sound card is not configured/getting blocked
[04:18] <brainZzZ> I can infer from the known facts of his situation that he is not in fact incarcerated.
[04:18] <randabis> BlueWeasel, try making your fstab look something like this
[04:18] <randabis>  /dev/hda1       /media/windows    vfat    umask=000       0       0
[04:18] <randabis> so it would be
[04:18] <mlambie> i used these on a box that had a root kit to change some permissions that ls -al wouldn't show. maybe you have something similar set
[04:19] <alainm> code: read this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387
[04:19] <randabis> /dev/hda5   /mnt/data    vfat   umask=000    0     0
[04:20] <christor_> hey
[04:20] <randabis> then umount the drive
[04:20] <randabis> and do mount -a
[04:20] <BlueWeasel> ok...let me try
[04:21] <randabis> code you probably just have to set those particular apps up to use esd
[04:21] <code> alainm i installed that already
[04:21] <code> what is esd?
[04:21] <randabis> also known as esound
[04:21] <farruinn> code if you run killall esd then run the programs do they work?
[04:21] <farruinn> esd = enlightenment sound daemon
[04:22] <code> i tried that as my output...and still didnt work
[04:22] <farruinn> replaced by polypaudio or somesuch in hoary
[04:22] <farruinn> iirc
[04:22] <randabis> no it hasn't been replaced yet
[04:22] <BlueWeasel> how do I umount if it says the device is busy?
[04:22] <code> killall esd?
[04:22] <randabis> BlueWeasel, you're gonna have to find what is accessing the drive and close it...possibly nautilus is using it
[04:22] <trey3> farruinn: hasn't been replaced yet... will likely be soon though  :)
[04:23] <farruinn> trey3: what a happy day that will be :D
[04:23] <tabmoW> with the 4.10 install cd does it give you the chance of selecting what packages and things you want?
[04:23] <randabis> you can use polypaudio if you want now, but I've still had issues with it
[04:23] <trey3> tabmoW: if you enter 'custom' at the install prompt, yes.
[04:23] <randabis> tabmoW, yes, if you do an expert install
[04:23] <BlueWeasel> I'll just reboot :)
[04:23] <randabis> or custom
[04:23] <tabmoW> if you don't basically what does the install give you?
[04:24] <randabis> BlueWeasel, heh that's evil! we don't reboot around here! :p
[04:24] <randabis> but yeah, that should fix it up
[04:24] <trey3> tabmoW: a nice GNOME implementation, and a lot of Python modules  :)
[04:24] <code> so what do i do?
[04:24] <stackpopper> you know it
[04:24] <BlueWeasel> LOL, but rebooting makes my Windows box run so much better!!
[04:25] <tabmoW> uhuh, i guess it's time to setup apt-get so i can download kde and such
[04:25] <randabis> hah that's why it is windows
[04:25] <stackpopper>  3:25  up 7 days,  9:37, 2 users, load averages: 0.26 0.41 0.32
[04:25] <randabis> tabmoW, you'll have to setup the universe repository for kde
[04:25] <brainZzZ> and i still think kde looks to xpish for me
[04:26] <code> what is agnula demudi?
[04:26] <tabmoW> randabis: is there a good how-to document on setting up apt-get for ubuntu?
[04:26] <randabis> tabmoW, www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:26] <regeya> uh
[04:27] <andrewski> can anyone help me figure out why my audio CDs won't work?
[04:27] <randabis> uh?
[04:27] <ixiqloc> which version kernel comes with 4.10?
[04:27] <regeya> code: a set of music-oriented debian packages
[04:27] <randabis> 2.6.8
[04:27] <ixiqloc> niceness
[04:27] <code> can i uninstall ubuntu and use that?
[04:27] <randabis> technically 2.6.8.1 I "think"
[04:27] <trey3> andrewski: you plug the speakers into the front of the CDROM, or have a cd > sound card cable?
[04:27] <brainZzZ> do you have a cd burner
[04:28] <andrewski> trey3: data CDs work fine and i can successfully play mp3s on my computer.  the sound for the cd is not muted. :)
[04:28] <randabis> code, you're far better off with ubuntu
[04:28] <code> but i cant get my sound to work.....nothing
[04:28] <farruinn> andrewski: did ask about this a few days ago?
[04:28] <brainZzZ> farruinn: note it was mentioned just a few days ago bush's approval hit record low
[04:29] <trey3> andrewski: yeah... but if you don't have a cable going from the cd to your sound card... you will get no sound... try it... plug speakers into your CDROM card and play a cd...
[04:29] <andrewski> farruinn: yep, still no luck. :(
[04:29] <randabis> you could just as easily have the same problem in debian or any other distro code
[04:29] <andrewski> trey3: i'm getting "drive error" in gnome's cd player. :P
[04:29] <code> how do i configure my sound card then
[04:29] <BlueWeasel> randabis...awesome, I had a line screwed up in fstab but it works great now
[04:29] <trey3> andrewski: ohhh... you try a different CD?
[04:29] <andrewski> a handful.
[04:29] <randabis> BlueWeasel, great
[04:29] <BlueWeasel> I can write to the permission both form the terminal and natilus
[04:29] <randabis> good
[04:30] <randabis> now delete windows :p
[04:30] <randabis> j/k
[04:30] <BlueWeasel> LOL..give me time :)
[04:30] <randabis> though I don't use windows anymore
[04:30] <Dreamer3> deleting windows is definately the last step _required_ to be cured
[04:30] <Dreamer3> and burning your microsoft installation media
[04:30] <BlueWeasel> hehe
[04:31] <Dreamer3> that's more of a cult like thing though
[04:31] <Dreamer3> perhaps optional
[04:31] <code> im thinkin of goin back to windows....then i know i will have sound comin out the speakers
[04:31] <randabis> I still have the install cds, but not for me :p
[04:31] <Dreamer3> BlueWeasel: give it up, you're better off without it
[04:31] <BlueWeasel> next question...I really like DSL and the EmelFS file manager...is there something like that in Ubuntu?
[04:31] <randabis> code, farewell...pity you lack the patience to try and fix your problem
[04:32] <code> no one will help
[04:32] <tabmoW> wow ubuntu is fucking awesome!!! touchpad works fine - everything is looking sweet, no odd error messages in dmesg, EXCELLENT!
[04:32] <code> im just getting irritated
[04:32] <andrewski> trey3, farruinn: no ideas?
[04:32] <randabis> code, there are other places to get help besides irc
[04:32] <ixiqloc> just curious, i have a DWL650 rev P wireless pcmcia card and i've read that the same model except rev M1 worked out of the box, in Ubuntu. My question: does anyone know a database of devices that work with ubuntu?
[04:32] <code> but this is the quickest
[04:32] <randabis> not necessarily
[04:32] <BlueWeasel> well, my Linux journey started on Sunday, and I've got a dual boot XP/Ubuntu on my laptop, so I'm thrilled at this point
[04:32] <code> i just need my sounds!!!!!!!!
[04:32] <regeya> 'hey something didn't work, tell me what's wrong!'
[04:32] <code> haha
[04:33] <randabis> sound problems are well documented in the ubuntu wiki I believe
[04:33] <brainZzZ> I believe it is electronically controlled
[04:33] <code> what is ubuntu wiki?
[04:33] <randabis> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[04:33] <code> thanks
[04:34] <randabis> even has a search tool
[04:34] <tabmoW> what's the best way to get sound working on my laptop with ubuntu?
[04:34] <randabis> sorry we couldn't be more helpful with your sound problems
[04:34] <ramb0> can ubuntu's live cd resize NTFS partitions?
[04:34] <randabis> ramb0, no
[04:34] <ramb0> bummer
[04:34] <randabis> you should get something like BootItNG
[04:35] <ramb0> thanks anyways
[04:35] <randabis> or partition magic
[04:35] <ramb0> ok
[04:35] <ramb0> partition magic?
[04:35] <randabis> BootItNG is free and fits on a floppy
[04:35] <ramb0> nice
[04:35] <randabis> partition magic is not free and runs within windows
[04:35] <ramb0> ok
[04:35] <rempresent> i have a g3 ibook, how do you boot live cds, what key do you hold down when it boots? anyone?
[04:35] <farruinn> rempresent: c
[04:35] <rempresent> i tried "c", nothing happened?
[04:36] <rempresent> sure
[04:36] <regeya> c
[04:36] <randabis> tabmoW, Depends on the chipset probably
[04:36] <regeya> hold down option, see if it shows up in the list of bootable volumes
[04:36] <rempresent> ok
[04:36] <tabmoW> randabis: is there any tool that searches for what chipset i have? i can't seem to see anything about it in dmesg
[04:36] <tabmoW> it's on a laptop
[04:36] <randabis> lspci possibly
[04:36] <ramb0> it says i need to purchase bootng?
[04:37] <Sic`> I burned the iso for Ubuntu to CD, but my computer doesn't auto-play discs, so what file do I click to start instillation?
[04:37] <randabis> ramb0, there's a download link in there
[04:37] <ramb0> oh wait, i foudn the free download
[04:37] <randabis> you don't have to buy it
[04:37] <ramb0> ok
[04:37] <tabmoW> ATI Technologies IXP150
[04:37] <farruinn> Sic`: reboot with it in the drive
[04:37] <randabis> http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/downloads/bootitng.zip
[04:38] <tabmoW> randabis: should i compile a custom kernel ?
[04:38] <rempresent> ok, it isnt in my list of bootable items
[04:38] <randabis> umm...ATI makes audio hardware?
[04:38] <BlueWeasel> possible to install EmelFM (file manager) on ubuntu?
[04:38] <randabis> I don't think that's right
[04:38] <BrightLoudNoise> can you install from ubuntu from the live cd?
[04:38] <randabis> no you can't BrightLoudNoise
[04:38] <BrightLoudNoise> ahh
[04:38] <rempresent> no, i dont want to install just run
[04:38] <BrightLoudNoise> I'll grab the installer disc then
[04:38] <tabmoW> ATI Technologies IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller
[04:39] <tabmoW> that's what it says
[04:39] <rempresent> it wont boot from the cd
[04:39] <farruinn> rempresent: did you burn the disk correctly?
[04:39] <randabis> tabmoW, hmm...I'm not familiar with your hardware
[04:39] <randabis> one sec
[04:39] <rempresent> i actually got it in the mail
[04:39] <rempresent> it is offical
[04:40] <farruinn> oh...
[04:40] <farruinn> you said this is a powerbook?
[04:40] <rempresent> ibook g3 800mhz
[04:41] <Croccifixio> hi2u eyequeue
[04:41] <Croccifixio> hi2u everybody
[04:41] <terry__> randabis: 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller
[04:41] <randabis> terry__, install xmms and see if it plays any sound
[04:43] <terry__> randabis: mixer won't even load says no sound devices loaded
[04:43] <randabis> ah
[04:43] <rob_m> hey you guys do you have the Gdesklets  starter bar installed?
[04:44] <randabis> try adding "noapic" to your boot parameters...I think it goes on the kernel line
[04:44] <rob_m> and do you know how to start it ?
[04:44] <randabis> I used to have the starterbar installed on hoary
[04:44] <rob_m> how do you turn it on
[04:44] <rempresent> ok, it won't boot at all?  anyone know how to get this live cd to run off of a g3 ibook
[04:45] <Agrajag> wait, I thought the livecd was x86 only?
[04:45] <rob_m> randblis how do you use the gdeskletws progra>?
[04:45] <randabis> rob_m I just used the gdesklets setup thingy that starts when you run gdesklets
[04:45] <brainZzZ> But the times go on, he should not only care about them as central characters
[04:45] <terry__> randabis, will that take off any laptop specific features though?
[04:45] <rempresent> arajag:  ahhh
[04:45] <rob_m> randbis: i dont know how to use the program
[04:46] <randabis> terry__, I don't think it will...I'm browsing through forums looking for an answer for you...that's what I've come up with so far
[04:46] <rempresent> arajag:  i think you are right, i have ppc
[04:46] <Agrajag> yeah, there's only an i386 livecd
[04:46] <rempresent> i will double check what the cd is formatted in
[04:46] <terry__> ok i will test it
[04:46] <terry__> brb
[04:46] <Infinitus> hello.
[04:46] <Infinitus> I'm thinking of installing ubuntu
[04:46] <rempresent> they only have a i386 live?
[04:46] <rob_m> alrigh never mind i tgot it to works
[04:46] <Infinitus> What is the package manager for ubuntu?
[04:46] <rob_m> man i cant read what i am typoing
[04:47] <Agrajag> apt
[04:47] <Infinitus> apt?
[04:47] <Agrajag> yes
[04:47] <Infinitus> cool.
[04:47] <encKe`> anyone here using BitchX?
[04:47] <terry__> randabis, should i add that to grub.conf ?
[04:47] <Infinitus> how hard is it to install a new kernel in ubuntu?
[04:47] <Agrajag> about as hard as in any other distro
[04:47] <Infinitus> do you have to recompile it?
[04:47] <Agrajag> well yeah
[04:47] <Infinitus> cause in arch linux it just installs a  new kernel.
[04:47] <Agrajag> unless you use the ones ubuntu provides
[04:47] <Infinitus> I kinda like it that way.
[04:48] <rempresent> is there an intaller for ppc?
[04:48] <rempresent> *installer
[04:48] <Agrajag> well you can just use the ubuntu kernel, and you don't compile anything
[04:48] <Agrajag> rempresent: yes
[04:48] <rempresent> is there a way to change my partitions without reinstalling osx
[04:49] <rempresent> because, i keep being told to use the disk utility, but when you have them partitioned you can't change them
[04:49] <Agrajag> hell if I know, you might need some third-party program to resize a partition
[04:49] <hams> is there a vpn client that works with cisco vpns?
[04:50] <regeya> AFAIK there's no way to resize HFS+ partitions, rempresent
[04:50] <farruinn> rempresent: I've heard of something called 'rad' - I know nothing about it excep that it's *supposed* do resize hfs partitions
[04:51] <rempresent> ok, i will research
[04:51] <rob_m> wow now that i have it iit seems mlike too much work to cconfigure it
[04:51] <tabmoW> randabis: it says something about nopnpbios when i bootup
[04:52] <tabmoW> and upon boot alsactl says there are no soundcards found
[04:52] <Infinitus> does abuntu have the alien command for rpms?
[04:52] <rob_m> how do you add transparecy to xchat?
[04:52] <Infinitus> ubuntu i mean.
[04:53] <farruinn> Infinitus: yes
[04:53] <stackpopper> rob_m where you edit background image
[04:53] <stackpopper> though it sucks
[04:53] <Infinitus> what sucks?
[04:53] <encKe`> settings, preferences, transparency
[04:53] <Infinitus> the xchat transparency?
[04:53] <randabis> tabmoW, another thing to try is "pci=noacpi"
[04:53] <Infinitus> or the alien command?
[04:53] <stackpopper> yeh
[04:53] <randabis> don't quote these when you add them btw
[04:53] <brainZzZ> when you add that suffix it does strange things to the root word
[04:53] <randabis> also, refer to this thread...might be able to help you
[04:54] <randabis> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7095&page=1&pp=10&highlight=IXP150+AC%2797
[04:54] <randabis> that's all the advice I can give you unfortunately
[04:56] <hams> how do you determine if new versions of 'apt-get' packages need to be installed?
[04:56] <farruinn> sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:56] <farruinn> it will ask for confirmation before installing
[04:57] <farruinn> it's usually a good idea to run sudo apt-get update first though
[04:57] <hams> i did do that...
[04:57] <tabmoW> randabis: hmms, that sucks big time
[04:58] <farruinn> hams: perhaps you're completely up to date?
[04:58] <hams> oh, i meant i ran apt-get update before apt-get upgrade, the upgrade is doing something..
[04:59] <farruinn> oh, :D
[04:59] <farruinn> probably upgrade, eh? :P
[04:59] <farruinn> s/upgrade/upgrading
[04:59] <hams> i can only hope :)
[05:00] <hams> anyone know if there is support for cisco compat. vpn client?
[05:00] <tritium> vpnc
[05:00] <tritium> it's awesome
[05:00] <hams> tritium, do you know what version it supposed to support?
[05:01] <tritium> cisco3000
[05:01] <tritium> hams "apt-cache show vpnc"
[05:01] <tritium> it's in universe
[05:01] <froust> ls -l
[05:04] <Crane> hello
[05:04] <hams> tritium, it said no pacakge vpnc - is that hoary only?
[05:04] <farruinn> hams, it's in universe
[05:05] <hams> ok what does that mean?
[05:05] <farruinn> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:05] <tritium> hams, you should peruse the guide listed in the topic.  it'll explain that
[05:09] <Quest-Master> What is the terminal command to save all the output produced by a terminal command to a text file?
[05:10] <farruinn> command > file
[05:10] <tabmoW> can you use apt-get to upgrade your kernel?
[05:11] <randabis> /boot/grub/menu.lst >> /dev/dsp
[05:11] <randabis> lol
[05:11] <randabis> tabmoW, Yes...as long as there are kernels available in your repository
[05:12] <andrewski> how can i clean up any unclaimed dependencies?
[05:12] <randabis> if you want the 2.6.9 and 2.6.10 series kernels, you'll need to upgrade to the development release called hoary
[05:12] <farruinn> andrewski: check out deborphan
[05:12] <andrewski> farruinn: ok, thanks.
[05:12] <digitalpure> newbie question
[05:13] <digitalpure> I just upgraded from warty to hoary, and now it will not let me access my usb drive
[05:13] <digitalpure> i mounted it in /media/theron in fstab, and it is showing correct
[05:13] <tritium> I think aptitude has pretty good capabilites w.r.t. orphaned packages
[05:13] <digitalpure> i also set the uid=(username) and it still is giving me a permission error
[05:14] <farruinn> tritium: ooh, that's cool. I don't use aptitude much
[05:14] <tritium> farruinn, I never do, actually.  That's just what I've read.  :)
[05:14] <farruinn> haha :D
[05:15] <farruinn> digitalpure: does it not let you write to the drive or does it not let you mount it?
[05:15] <tabmoW> randabis: you think that will fix my problem?
[05:15] <digitalpure> it is mounted, it will not let me access it
[05:15] <brainZzZ> and/or my problem.
[05:15] <digitalpure> it is only giving root access
[05:15] <randabis> tabmoW, "possibly", no guarrantees
[05:15] <digitalpure> how do i unmount the directory
[05:15] <LinkMasterSab> Hey guys, how would I output stderr into a file?
[05:15] <randabis> I run it flawlessly on 3 systems
[05:16] <randabis> digitalpure what does the fstab look like?
[05:16] <Infinitus> I'm a little concerned with the security of ubuntu
[05:16] <andrewski> farruinn: deborphan only looks like it checks for the status of packages; is there a way to uninstall them?
[05:16] <Infinitus> How secure is it?
[05:16] <Infinitus> I'm thinking of downloading it and installing it.
[05:16] <farruinn> andrewski: apt-get remove --purge
[05:16] <Infinitus> But i'm not totally sure yet.
[05:16] <steve__> this might sound bad, but some reason my syntax in console for copying files wont work. Can someone refresh me
[05:16] <randabis> Infinitus, it's not any more or any less secure than debian
[05:16] <dbt`veritas> steve: go google it
[05:17] <randabis> actually I though it was
[05:17] <digitalpure> the line is ---  /dev/sdb1 /media/theron rw,uid-david,auto 0 0
[05:17] <randabis> apt-get --purge remove
[05:17] <randabis> digitalpure, I don't believe that's correctly setup...you have no filesystem specified for instance
[05:18] <digitalpure> when i tell it to do a NTFS drive then it says it cannot mount it
[05:18] <digitalpure> i will change it really quick
[05:18] <hams> LinkMasterSub, which shell?
[05:18] <randabis> maybe it isn't ntfs?
[05:18] <digitalpure> no it is a NTFS drive, it is my backup drive from the XP days
[05:19] <randabis> you can't write to ntfs
[05:19] <andrewski> farruinn: should i be piping the output from deborphan to apt-get?
[05:19] <randabis> that's probably why it won't mount
[05:19] <farruinn> andrewski: you could try that, but afaik deborphan doesn't remove them for you
[05:19] <farruinn> you could look into aptitude as tritium suggested
[05:19] <randabis> digitalpure, try something like this
[05:19] <andrewski> oh, i missed that; thanks.
[05:20] <randabis>  /dev/sdb1       /media/theron    ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[05:20] <hams> tritium: does vpnc support the .pcf file?
[05:21] <digitalpure> how do I unmount the drive, so that i can remount it with possible new permission
[05:21] <tritium> hams, it has a program called "pcf2vpnc" to convert them, yes
[05:21] <randabis> umount /media/theron
[05:22] <digitalpure> /dev/sdb1	/media/theron	ntfs	rw,uid=david,auto,usmask=0222	0	0
[05:22] <randabis> try the line I gave you
[05:22] <randabis>  /dev/sdb1       /media/theron    ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[05:22] <randabis> that should work
[05:22] <randabis> yours won't work because you can't write to ntfs
[05:22] <tjs> anyone running gdesklets on hoary? I tried installing it, I get RuntimeError: can't create const  No threading support available in python.  Compile python with --enable-threads. Exiting!    however gdesklets depends on the ubuntu compiled python?
[05:23] <tritium> hams, the beauty is that you don't have to compile a kernel module like you do with Cisco's vpnclient
[05:23] <randabis> I used to run gdesklets with hoary...never had any problems like that
[05:23] <digitalpure> randabis - I am not trying to write to the drive, only read
[05:23] <randabis> are you compiling it or something?
[05:23] <hams> tritium, does pcf2vpnc come with the vpnc apt-get install?
[05:23] <tritium> hams, yes
[05:23] <randabis> digitalpure, use the line I gave you
[05:23] <tjs> no
[05:23] <tjs> although i have python 2.2, 2.3 and 2.4
[05:24] <tjs> not that that matters
[05:24] <randabis> I dunno...I never had problems installing the gdesklets package
[05:24] <tjs> oh it installs
[05:24] <tjs> it just wont run
[05:24] <tleung> hi, there i was wondering if i can get some assistance on troubleshooting my wireless card
[05:24] <digitalpure> trying the unmount /media.theron gave me -- bash: unmount: command not found
[05:24] <randabis> UMOUNT not UNMOUNT
[05:25] <tleung> it's dell c400 laptop w/ truemobile 1150 mini-pci
[05:26] <randabis> tjs never had that problem, dunno
[05:26] <randabis> it always "just worked"
[05:26] <tjs> ok
[05:26] <digitalpure> ok, i got it unmounted, changed fstab, and tried to remount and now I am gettint he wrong fs type error
 know i am even happier i dont own a nVidia card
[05:27] <randabis> digitalpure, did you use the line I gave you?
[05:27] <randabis> for fstab
[05:27] <randabis>  /dev/sdb1       /media/theron    ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[05:27] <digitalpure> yes
[05:27] <hams> tritium, what directory do you have it in? whereis pcf2vpnc
[05:27] <tjs> oh, another thing ive noticed, heaps of ansciliary python packages depend on python2.4 but python2.4-ubuntu4 is installed.. this is frustraiting as its just a packaging bug
[05:27] <digitalpure> /dev/sdb1	/media/theron	ntfs	usmask=0222	0	0
[05:27] <randabis> digitalpure, then the drive is either corrupted or not ntfs
[05:27] <digitalpure> i was accessing it about 30 minutes ago
[05:28] <randabis> dunno then
[05:28] <tritium> hams, /usr/share/vpnc (try "dpkg -L vpnc" to see for yourself)
[05:28] <randabis> try without the ntfs
[05:28] <digitalpure> with auto in there it says the same thing now
[05:28] <Stereotype> You need the NTFS there.
[05:28] <LinkMasterSab> Wow, the error log of this attempted build is 122kb
[05:29] <hams> hmm... no not in the package
[05:29] <randabis> Stereotype, yes, I know...kinda grasping at straws
[05:29] <Stereotype>  /dev/sdb1 /placetomount ntfs umask=0222 0 0
[05:29] <tritium> hams, perhaps the version in Warty is different.  What is the version number?
[05:29] <Stereotype> That should work.:-/
[05:29] <randabis> Stereotype, it doesn't work though :/
[05:29] <randabis> so he says
[05:29] <hams> 0.2-rm+zomb1-7
[05:30] <randabis> said the file system type is wrong
[05:30] <tritium> yeah, mine is 0.3.2
[05:30] <Stereotype> (23:27:44) digitalpure: /dev/sdb1	/media/theron	ntfs	usmask=0222	0	0 <---Points. USMASK!
[05:30] <randabis> HA
[05:30] <Crane> how is everyone tonight!
[05:31] <randabis> I'm okay
[05:31] <digitalpure> ok, that sucks to have fat fingers when typing
[05:31] <hams> tritium, is there a way i can get that version?
[05:31] <digitalpure> thanks guys, i am in
[05:31] <randabis> good
[05:31] <Stereotype> ;-)
[05:31] <tritium> hams, one way is to upgrade to Hoary.
[05:31] <Crane> cool just thought I'd drop in and say hello
[05:32] <digitalpure> what is a good vpn dialer or remote desktop program for ubuntu
[05:32] <randabis> nifty
[05:32] <tritium> hams, if all you need is the Group password decrypted, look here: http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~massar/bin/cisco-decode
[05:32] <digitalpure> i work from home alot, and trying to get connected at the office
[05:32] <tritium> digitalpure, vpnc
[05:33] <tritium> but it's not a dialer or remote-desktop client
[05:33] <tritium> just a vpn client
[05:35] <hams> tritium, if i upgrade to hoary and my system doesn't boot, is there a way to recover?
[05:36] <HrdwrBoB> hams: just select the old kernel
[05:36] <Dreamer3_> HrdwrBoB: won't help if the problem is userspace :)
[05:36] <HrdwrBoB> no it won't
[05:36] <hikaru79> can the emifreq-applet be run from Xfce or does it HAVE to be in Gnome?
[05:36] <tritium> hams, yes, but I'm not sure I'd recommend you do it
[05:36] <Dreamer3_> HrdwrBoB: but i assume hoary could as least boot user space :)
[05:36] <eyequeue> hams:  you have a livecd?
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> Dreamer3_: usually, but sometimes now
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> not
[05:37] <tritium> hams, want me to convert your .pcf?  remove your password from the file, and I'll do it.
[05:37] <GIJosh> Hello.
[05:37] <Dreamer3_> HrdwrBoB: ick, glad i paid for warty then :)
[05:37] <hams> i tried the livecd 2 weeks ago and it would not boot
[05:37] <hikaru79> Paid for warty?
[05:37] <brainZzZ> thats almost what i paid for my 9800pro a month ago
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> Dreamer3_: and by 'sometimes' I mean it's possible
[05:37] <hams> 0.3.2 compiled from source, so i'll give it a try...
[05:38] <GIJosh> I have a questions about distro upgrades.  If I have a package installed that isn'tinstalled by default...like xfce.  If I run apt get upgrade, will it upgrade xfce to it's newest version?
[05:38] <Dreamer3_> hikaru79: yyeah 1.99 from eBay :)
[05:38] <tritium> hams, good :)
[05:38] <hikaru79> LOL
[05:38] <hikaru79> Why?
[05:38] <hikaru79> dial-up modem?
[05:38] <Dreamer3_> hikaru79: a 50 horu download wasn't appealing
[05:38] <Vjaz> GIJosh: Yes it will if you have installed it with apt-get.
[05:38] <hikaru79> I see =/
[05:38] <brainZzZ> i just booted it with the cd in
[05:38] <kakalto> It seems that linux isn't too bad for games, after all
[05:38] <GIJosh> Vjaz:  Thanks. :)  Release cycles have always been a mild point of confusion for me.
[05:39] <Dreamer3_> hikaru79: but now i've installed debian sarge on another PC and thinking maybe i dno't need ubuntu :)
[05:39] <GIJosh> I mostly play muds, so Linux is fine for games for me. :)
[05:39] <jasonf> any "gotchas" to apt-get dist-upgrade'ing warty to hoary?
[05:39] <brainZzZ> Dreamer3_, maybe if you come in from the outside and stop kicking *** people all over town youd get some work done on that thesis comparing *** people to box turtles. i think you have enough anecdotal evidence to make a strong argument
[05:39] <hikaru79> Dreamer3_, why?
[05:39] <hikaru79> jasonf, yes
[05:39] <hikaru79> It's one big gotcha
[05:39] <kakalto> one thing that confuses me...
[05:39] <Dreamer3_> brainZzZ: huh?
[05:39] <brainZzZ> imagine being in a channel than bans all australians. awesome, huh?
[05:39] <Dreamer3_> hikaru79: why what?
[05:39] <kakalto> how to I get Cedega?
[05:40] <Dreamer3_> hikaru79: i dunno :)
[05:40] <jasonf> hikaru79: what might that be?
[05:40] <kakalto> it's not under synaptic after adding repositorie
[05:41] <Orcrist> I'm trying to install xfce, and I can't get permission to the display... when I issue an xhost+ localhost command... it says 'command not found'
[05:41] <GIJosh> Is synaptic a front end for apt, or is it it's own program to install deb packages?
[05:41] <Orcrist> where should I look for that?
[05:41] <tritium> front end
[05:41] <randabis> Orcrist, you shouldn't even need to do that
[05:41] <thoreauputic> if anyone is interested, I have a checkinstall .deb of the latest fluxbox I've compiled for ppc (running it now on an iBook G4)
[05:41] <regeya> Dreamer3_: Mauve has more RAM.
[05:41] <crimsun> jasonf: namely: X.Org transition (check /etc/X11/xorg.conf), gimp 2.2 update, etc.
[05:41] <randabis> all you have to do is sudo sh xfce4-4.2.0-installer.bin
[05:41] <Orcrist> well the installer for xfce tells me to
[05:41] <hikaru79> jasonf, it's an applet that monitors your case temperature
[05:41] <Orcrist> but it won't let me, nor will it let me proceed with install
[05:41] <Dreamer3_> regeya: ?
[05:41] <kakalto> does anyone know how big the q3 linux installer .run file is?
[05:41] <hikaru79> I NEED to find some way of monitorying the case temperature on my server computer
[05:42] <thoreauputic> happy to dcc it if there are ppc users around
[05:42] <jasonf> crimsun: do I know you from somewhere? ;)
[05:42] <hikaru79> I'm terrified of overheating, it's been running for 4 days straight now =/
[05:42] <hikaru79> Call me paranoid ^^;;
[05:42] <regeya> Dreamer3_: oh sure, play hard to get
[05:42] <bitfoo> lm sensors + gkrellm :|
[05:42] <tritium> hikaru79, build one
[05:42] <Orcrist> I'll try that randabis
[05:42] <Crane> kakalto, do you mean the file size itself or the full installed game
[05:42] <regeya> takes a tough man to make a tender chicken
[05:42] <Orcrist> just using sudo
[05:43] <hikaru79> tritium, build one what?
[05:43] <tritium> temperature monitor
[05:43] <hikaru79> And, how?
[05:43] <kakalto> crane, filesize
[05:43] <tritium> a little circuit
[05:43] <Crane> 29.5 meg
[05:44] <Crane> thats how beg the .run file is
[05:44] <Orcrist> randabis, it still gives me this message: Runing installer-gui failed, see .xfce4.installer-log for details
[05:44] <jba> hey guys
[05:44] <kakalto> Crane, thanks :D
[05:45] <Orcrist> inside it says (installer-gui:7044): Gtk-WARNING ** cannot open display
[05:45] <Orcrist> I have X installed
[05:45] <Orcrist> this is strange
[05:45] <Crane> kakalto, No problem, q3 runs great in ubuntu
[05:45] <kakalto> Crane, I notice UT does too
[05:45] <jba> I'm trying to find some docs on how to add a custom dsdt file to the initrd, can anyone point me towards some docs
[05:46] <Crane> kakalto, yep I love both games, play q3 more though
[05:46] <Orcrist> crane, have you tried ETF?
[05:46] <Orcrist> or did you play Q3F?
[05:47] <Crane> kakalto, ETF Q3F?
[05:47] <hams> tritium, vpnc seg. faults... :(
[05:47] <kakalto> Crane, no idea
[05:47] <Crane> Orcrist, etf?
[05:47] <Crane> sorry
[05:47] <Crane> :)
[05:47] <kakalto> I suppose there's no native linux client for Halo :P
[05:47] <kakalto> what about condition zero?
[05:47] <Orcrist> yeah, Enemy Territory Fortress... it's a port of a mod for Q3 that was called Q3F
[05:47] <Orcrist> like quake on steroids
[05:48] <Crane> I've never heard of either
[05:48] <tritium> hams, why not just use the version you built to convert your .pcf file.  Then, use the ubuntu package to connect.
[05:48] <Orcrist> different classes of characters with different attributes
[05:48] <Crane> I've played enemy territory but this sounds like a different game
[05:48] <Orcrist> yes totally different
[05:48] <Orcrist> more like quake but ported to the ET engine
[05:48] <tritium> hams, the debian/ubuntu packages provide extra scripts to setup routes, etc.
[05:48] <hams> the ubuntu pacakge one also seg faults
[05:48] <randabis> Orcrist, you probably don't have the correct development libraries installed
[05:48] <Crane> enemy territory also runs well on linux
[05:49] <Orcrist> and it runs very well under ubuntu
[05:49] <tritium> hams, did you use "vpnc-connect"?
[05:49] <Orcrist> yes
[05:49] <randabis> http://img168.exs.cx/img168/8843/desktop9qe.jpg
[05:49] <randabis> :)
[05:49] <hams> sudo vpnc-connect <name>
[05:49] <kakalto> Crane, what about Call of Duty?
[05:49] <Orcrist> randabis, I installed all four of the devel libraries it asked me to
[05:49] <Crane> I thought ET ran off the q3 engine
[05:49] <kakalto> that have a native installer?
[05:49] <Orcrist> how can I enable the ability to do an xhost+?
[05:49] <randabis> Orcrist, so you have libgtk2.0-dev and libglib2.0-dev?
[05:50] <Crane> kakalto, I have had it running good under wine, although I haven't tried to set it up on ubuntu yet
[05:50] <steve__> does anyone have any info on how I can get my internal sd card reader to work
[05:50] <kakalto> ohk
[05:50] <steve__> on my laptop
[05:50] <thoreauputic> Orcrist: don't - use ssh -X instead
[05:50] <kakalto> with quake3, the punkbuster update tool, how big is it?
[05:50] <tritium> hams, ?
[05:50] <Orcrist> not sure I follow you thoreau
[05:50] <kakalto> "pbweb"
[05:50] <Orcrist> kakalto, very small
[05:50] <kakalto> kewl
[05:51] <kakalto> yay
[05:51] <thoreauputic> Orcrist: xhost is a major security worry
[05:51] <Crane> kakalto, not sure what you mean, it comes with the installer
[05:51] <hams> tritium, don't know... it just seg faults, no other info is output
[05:51] <randabis> Cube is a fun FPS too :p
[05:51] <kakalto> Crane, apparently not
[05:51] <kakalto> according to the guide I'm following
[05:51] <Crane> or are you talking about the pbweb.x86 file from pb
[05:51] <Orcrist> yes but I'm only doing it for the install, and this box is going to be cut off from the network
[05:51] <kakalto> pbweb.x86
[05:51] <tritium> hams, you have a vpnc.conf for <name> ?
[05:51] <Orcrist> however, fixing it without issuing xhost would be nice, so i never get stuck here again
[05:51] <thoreauputic> Orcrist: ssh -X <host> will give you remote X without risks
[05:52] <Crane> hmm don't know
[05:52] <brainZzZ> why is drgorilla coming in here again
[05:52] <kakalto> does Halo work well in cedega>
[05:52] <kakalto> ?
[05:52] <hams> tritium, yeah, one question, where does the output of pcf2vpnc go? stdout?
[05:52] <tritium> hams, don't know
[05:52] <Crane> kakalto, let me find my file and I'll tell you
[05:52] <Orcrist> I'll try that then throreau
[05:52] <tritium> hams, I didn't use it
[05:53] <Crane> kakalto, 146.2 KB
[05:53] <hams> tritium, i guess i'm not sure what happened to decrpyting the group password?
[05:53] <randabis> I've installed XFCE 4.2 on 3 systems and never had to do that xhost thing
[05:53] <timothy> i was trying to mount a USB flash drive, and nothing was happening and I couldn't find it in my fdisk, so I checked dmesg and saw these error messages:
[05:53] <timothy> usb 3-5: new high speed USB device using address 16
[05:53] <timothy> usb 3-5: device not accepting address 16, error -71
[05:53] <timothy> usb 3-5: new high speed USB device using address 17
[05:53] <timothy> usb 3-5: device not accepting address 17, error -71
[05:53] <timothy> any ideas?
[05:53] <brainZzZ> These errors occurred during execution:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[05:53] <tritium> hams, what?
[05:53] <thoreauputic> Orcrist: this is assuming x forwarding is enabled for ssh - works on warty here
[05:53] <Crane> kakalto, I'm not sure about cedega I haven't run it yet
[05:53] <crimsun> timothy: have you tried booting with nolapic or noapic?
[05:54] <timothy> crimsun: not sure what either of those are...
[05:54] <crimsun> timothy: they are boot parameters; add them to your grub boot line
[05:54] <Orcrist> thoreau, will the basic openssh-server package handle that or do I need to set it up?
[05:54] <hams> tritium, pcf2vpnc says it's decrypting the group password, then it prints some stuff on screen...
[05:54] <crimsun> timothy: when you boot, there's a grub menu; type 'e' and then add " nolapic" to the end of the kernel line
[05:55] <timothy> crimsun: Sorry, but what exactly should I add? and where can I find the grub boot line?
[05:55] <tritium> hams, okay, so you've apparently found out that it outputs to stdout
[05:55] <crimsun> timothy: then press enter and type 'b'
[05:55] <timothy> crimsun: ok, is that something that has to be done every time?
[05:55] <brainZzZ> where can I find a standard one?
[05:55] <thoreauputic> Orcrist:  it just needs X forwarding yes in /etc/sshd.config or similar
[05:55] <tritium> hams, did you try the link?
[05:55] <jba> jdub, yesterday, when you said to just add the custom dsdt.aml file to the end of the intrd, did you mean to just cat it on the end?
[05:55] <crimsun> timothy: depends whether it resolves your usb issue. If it does, then you'll modify a conffile (/boot/grub/menu.lst) and make it permanent
[05:55] <Orcrist> allright
[05:55] <timothy> crimsun: what does that do, exactly?
[05:56] <hams> is the IPSec secret <value> line the decoded group password?
[05:56] <crimsun> timothy: it instructs the kernel to ignore one of the apics
[05:56] <timothy> crimsun: OK, will try that, thanks for your help
[05:57] <lavigj> hey guys, quick question. does reiser3 have any parition size limitations?
[05:57] <hams> to the best of my knowledge it's setup correctly, it just doesn't work
[05:57] <tritium> hams, I believe so
[05:57] <thoreauputic> Orcrist: looks like it's  /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[05:58] <Orcrist> lol I just figured that out
[05:58] <thoreauputic> X11 forwarding yes
[05:58] <Orcrist> ty
[05:58] <thoreauputic> Orcrist: sorry ;)
[05:58] <Orcrist> np thanks for even helping me
[05:58] <Orcrist> I think I may need xbase-clients as well
[05:58] <thoreauputic> Orcrist: :)
[05:59] <Orcrist> in order to even start x lol
[05:59] <Orcrist> I just assumed they were in with the xserver
[05:59] <brainZzZ> Then we agree.
[05:59] <Orcrist> package
[05:59] <thoreauputic> err... you probably will, yes
[05:59] <tritium> hams, it works great for me.  I suspect a problem in your vpnc .conf file
[05:59] <hams> the .conf file only has four lines
[06:00] <neom> huzza
[06:01] <kakalto> how big is OSP?
[06:02] <kakalto> the quake3 mod
[06:03] <thoreauputic> nobody wants a fluxbox .deb for PPC ? freshly built on Warty for Mac users ? (No trojans, honest ;) )
[06:03] <aToaster> troll_god: Yess!! I got the new ATI drivers to work!!
[06:04] <kakalto> does anyone know how big the quake 3 mod OSP is?
[06:04] <aToaster> Sooo happy, must announce in chat! I got the new ATI drivers to work in Warty! sweet, World of Warcraft here I come!
[06:05] <kakalto> I'll take that as a no
[06:07] <tritium> hams, make sure there are no extra spaces at the end of any of the lines in your .conf file.  That bit me once
[06:07] <Lathiat> aToaster: they release WoW for linux?
[06:08] <timothy> crimsun: there were several lines that were possible to change, and I tried the line that started with kernel and added ' nolapic' as you suggested.. then when it booted it said 'BIOS bug, local APIC #0 not detected!' and froze at 'Starting Ubuntu...' (the line directly below it). Also, I noticed that when I re-booted without that line, a line said 'MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC' and I'm not quite sure that
[06:08] <timothy> that meant, but it referenced APIC so I thought it might be important
[06:08] <Stereotype> Lathiat: Most Likely CEDGA.
[06:08] <Stereotype> Which is like WINE.
[06:09] <HrdwrBoB> Lathiat: I use cedega to run WoW
[06:09] <HrdwrBoB> .. when the server is up
[06:09] <aToaster> Lathiat: yep, gonna try to make it run on cedega
[06:09] <Lathiat> Stereotype: i know what cedega is :)
[06:09] <aToaster> HrdwrBoB: hahah
[06:09] <Lathiat> aToaster: ah, any success reports of it?
[06:09] <crimsun> timothy: ok, and " noapic"?
[06:09] <Lathiat> HrdwrBoB: it works?
[06:09] <timothy> crimsun: didn't try that, shall I?
[06:09] <Lathiat> HrdwrBoB: sweet :)
[06:09] <aToaster> Lathiat: cedega says it works, and HrdwrBoB just sasid it did =)
[06:09] <HrdwrBoB> Lathiat: yes
[06:09] <crimsun> timothy: please.
[06:09] <Lathiat> well i wouldnt play it, but thats pretty cool :)
[06:10] <hams> tritium, appearently it's a known bug
[06:10] <Stereotype> Why would you want ATI anyway?
[06:10] <timothy> crimsun: same place, in the kernel line?
[06:10] <crimsun> timothy: yes.
[06:10] <tritium> hams, with the version in Warty?
[06:10] <aToaster> HrdwrBoB: do you have HL:2?
[06:10] <hams> i guess all version, as it is unsolved...
[06:11] <tritium> hams which bug are you looking at?
[06:11] <hams> http://lists.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/pipermail/vpnc-devel/2004-November/000387.html
[06:11] <Dreamer3_> nvidia is the card to get now, eh?
[06:11] <tritium> hams, oh, you're on amd64?
[06:11] <Orcrist> so now that I've got x working (finally) and xfce... exactly what script to I need to put it in to run x at boot time?
[06:11] <Orcrist> wow, this is really stripped down :)  I love it
[06:11] <Stereotype> nVidia *nix support is the best.
[06:12] <hams> tritium, yes. is threre any other? :)
[06:12] <tritium> oh, well you never mentioned that.  lots of packages are buggy on amd64
[06:12] <Lathiat> Is there something to report bugs under for the livecd?
[06:12] <daniels> tritium: eh? such as what?
[06:12] <daniels> Lathiat: yeah, bugzilla
[06:12] <Lathiat> daniels: yeh but like how do i enter it-- what "package"?
[06:12] <tritium> daniels, I've been seeing lots of talk of evolution on amd64, for one, being buggy
[06:12] <tritium> now vpnc
[06:12] <brainZzZ> so buggy and weird
[06:12] <Lathiat> it doesnt detect vmware graphics -- and leaves the xorg.conf with no Device section
[06:14] <tritium> brainZzZ, which?  evolution?
[06:14] <brainZzZ> You showed up at the wrong phase of channel evolution, friend.
[06:14] <daniels> Lathiat: xserver-xorg, keyword 'livecd'
[06:15] <Lathiat> daniels: ahh, cheers
[06:16] <wasabi_> So ubuntu amd64 bit
[06:16] <thoreauputic> Orcrist: to run a non-gnome window manager, you normally put it in ~/.xsession and use startx or the default session in gdm
[06:16] <wasabi_> does it have 32 bit compat libs yet?or is it pure 64?
[06:16] <wasabi_> i have a few closed source apps I *must* run.
[06:17] <Orcrist> well I don't have gdm installed
[06:17] <Orcrist> right nwo I'm using startx and it's finding xfce by default
[06:18] <thoreauputic> Orcrist: well, use startx or xdm if you have that
[06:18] <Orcrist> I gave up on the installer after it gave me another lame error, and I'd rather not use xhost now that I think about it... so I installed the .deb package for it and all is well
[06:18] <thoreauputic> Orcrist: OK well is that a problem?
[06:18] <Orcrist> well here's the thing thoreau... I'm building it as an emulation box for nes, sega, etc
[06:18] <timothy> crimsun: OK, so I added 'noapic' and it froze after this line: *Starting hotplug subsystem... modprobe: error inserting pwc (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/usb/media/pwc.ko) unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter
[06:18] <Orcrist> so I want as little keyboard interface as possible
[06:18] <timothy> crimsun: and actually, I noticed that when booting without noapic, it also gave that line but boot past it
[06:19] <thoreauputic> Orcrist: heh - that's outside my area of knowledge ;)
[06:19] <Orcrist> well the basic idea here is that I want to put it on my tv and only plug a keyboard into it when somethign goes wrong
[06:20] <Orcrist> I've got lirc configured and the on-screen keyboard so if I absolutely have to, I can type things in... but I want it to boot straight to x and then on to xfce
[06:20] <Orcrist> if I can get it to x, then xfce will come up by default as it's my only WM, so no gdm necessary
[06:20] <Lathiat> Is there a username/password I can use to login to the console of the livecd? (it doesnt get X working, and I want to get some lspci information etc)
[06:20] <Orcrist> but how to automate that, I dunno
[06:21] <Orcrist> I may have to have gdm just to get a logon
[06:21] <az[a] zel> hey
[06:21] <az[a] zel> airport extreme (broadcom chipset) doesn't work with the new ubuntu powerpc live cd (hoary) does it?
[06:22] <az[a] zel> device manager could identify what it was, but I had no wireless access
[06:22] <wasabi_> dont' think it works for anything
[06:22] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: No, no ones written a linux driver for it
[06:22] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: its closed spec and no ones reverse engineered it
[06:22] <wasabi_> specs are closed, etc etc.
[06:22] <thoreauputic> az[a] zel: I echo wasabi_
[06:22] <az[a] zel> I plugged in my DWL-122 USB wireless key, and that loaded the driver, but I couldn't work out how to connect to my network
[06:22] <wasabi_> heh.
[06:22] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: do you have the network applet in your panel?
[06:22] <wasabi_> I was lucky and got an airport 1
[06:22] <az[a] zel> Lathiat: yeah, but it only showed lo
[06:23] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: desktop -> administration -> networking
[06:23] <Lathiat> desktop as in desktop menu up the top
[06:23] <az[a] zel> yup
[06:23] <Lathiat> should be able to set it up in there
[06:23] <az[a] zel> I'll have another go tonight
[06:23] <az[a] zel> DWL-122 is prism2 based
[06:24] <az[a] zel> I got it to work on Mandrake once on a PC, but it was really painful to setup
[06:24] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: its easy in ubuntu :)
[06:24] <paulproteus> Does hoary support linux-wlan-ng configuration from the network applet?
[06:24] <paulproteus> It sucked in Warty; I had to write my own scripts.
[06:24] <az[a] zel> I had to vi /etc/prism_something.conf and hack something into it, and I had to download the firmware from the net, and compile the firmware downloader program
[06:25] <az[a] zel> hopefully the prism2 firmware is on the hoary live cd
[06:26] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: http://bur.st/~lathiat/wireless-setup.png
[06:26] <az[a] zel> yeah in that dialog I didn't see "wireless connection", only modem and wired ethernet
[06:27] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: with the dlink?
[06:27] <brainZzZ> didn't see the video...doesn't plan to see it either
[06:27] <az[a] zel> Lathiat: yeah
[06:27] <Zotnix> Anyone know if there is a package that installed the program 'ant'
[06:27] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: hrm maybe its not supported properly then
[06:27] <az[a] zel> maybe if I keep it plugged in during the entire boot process
[06:27] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: that shouldnt make a difference
[06:28] <az[a] zel> Lathiat: tonight I'll have another play with it, and see if the firmware is being downloaded onto it
[06:28] <az[a] zel> Lathiat: without the firmware, it's just two green leds on a usb stick :)
[06:29] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: yeh :)
[06:29] <Lathiat> az[a] zel: wouldnt one of those be cool tho ;p
[06:29] <aToaster> Ahah, just got CounterStrike:Source to work on Linux and it looks terrible with my x800
[06:30] <brainZzZ> I graduated with my degree in May
[06:30] <paulproteus> All right, I'm dist-upgrading to hoary.
[06:30] <paulproteus> On the blind hope that it supports linux-wlan-ng bettery.
[06:30] <paulproteus> better.  (This is on my iBook G4.)
[06:31] <Lathiat> paulproteus: you could try the livecd
[06:31] <paulproteus> Lathiat: That makes sense, too.
[06:31] <paulproteus> And would be less stupid.
[06:31] <Lathiat> altho hoary is much cooler
[06:31] <Lathiat> but i mean thats always true of development releases i guess
[06:31] <paulproteus> Well, I'll use apt-get's --download-only option, so I can dist-upgrade later.
[06:32] <az[a] zel> oh no sleep with ubuntu and ibook? :(
[06:33] <az[a] zel> according to the wiki anyway
[06:33] <thoreauputic> az[a] zel: correct
[06:33] <thoreauputic> az[a] zel: the display darkens, but no suspend/sleep
[06:33] <Lathiat> i thought they fixed suspend to ram on ibooks
[06:34] <thoreauputic> Lathiat: well, I have Warty here - maybe in Hoary (I hope so !)
[06:35] <brainZzZ> oh i hope so
[06:36] <neom> Quick question if I may..
[06:36] <neom> Is there a bash command to display the current ip?
[06:36] <thoreauputic> neom: just ask :)
[06:36] <thoreauputic> ifconfig
[06:36] <neom> if or ip?
[06:36] <thoreauputic> if
[06:36] <neom> ffs.
[06:37] <thoreauputic> ?
[06:37] <paulproteus> neom: There is a program stored in the directory /sbin/ called "ifconfig".
[06:37] <neom> Been sitting here for the past hour trying to work out why "ipconfig" wasn't workking. :|
[06:37] <paulproteus> You can run /sbin/ifconfig in a terminal.
[06:37] <paulproteus> az[a] zel: I have an iBook G4 kernel that suspends to RAM.
[06:38] <thoreauputic> paulproteus: actually its in the $PATH so ifconfig will do
[06:38] <paulproteus> Email me about getting a copy, and I'll put it online with directions.
[06:38] <paulproteus> I'm asheesh@asheesh.org .
[06:38] <ChaosZ3RO> I have sound working, but I have to turn my sound way up on my stereo to hear anything at all. My mixers all say that the sound is at 100% though. Anyone know what could be wrong?
[06:38] <paulproteus> ChaosZ3RO: Make sure you've looked at the ALSA mixer.
[06:39] <ChaosZ3RO> Yeah, everything's turned up.
[06:39] <paulproteus> Also, some soundcards have a "DCM" option or something that you can mute or unmute.
[06:39] <daniels> 'pcm'
[06:39] <paulproteus> Play with that, too.Mine is called "DRC Range".  When muted, the laptop gives REALLY LOUD output at max volume, and when not muted, it's very quiet.
[06:40] <paulproteus> daniels: Not PCM, I meant DRC Range.
[06:40] <ChaosZ3RO> How do I mess with that?
[06:40] <ChaosZ3RO> I'm on a laptop as well
[06:40] <paulproteus> It should be in the mixer.
[06:40] <paulproteus> It shows up in alsamixer for me, as well as the GNOME mixer thing.
[06:40] <paulproteus> I wish I could never unmute, because every once in a while it gets muted (sometimes on boot) and that sucks.
[06:40] <az[a] zel> seems other people were having issues with the d-link usb thing http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4041
[06:41] <ChaosZ3RO> Don't have that option
[06:41] <paulproteus> daniels: Is linux-wlan-ng going to work in hoary like iwconfig-able interfaces?
[06:41] <paulproteus> (That is, will life with a prism2 usb wifi stick suck less?)
[06:42] <|QuaD-> is anyone here familiar with getting networking to work with qemu
[06:42] <daniels> paulproteus: ... i don't know ...
[06:42] <paulproteus> daniels: Okay. :)
[06:43] <ferris> where can I learn about cvs?
[06:43] <ferris> like cvs for ID10T's?
[06:43] <az[a] zel> !google "cvs howto"
[06:44] <az[a] zel> damn, need a google bot
[06:45] <newter> Any one know how to get around a lockup after the 2nd stage of the install.  There are no errors durring the boot procress, it just locks up on the beggening after it gets booted to the welcome screen to start system configuration?
[06:45] <newter> the live cd wrks just fine, but the install cd is giveing me issues] 
[06:46] <neom> "configuration error, no acceptable c compiler found in $PATH".
[06:46] <neom> (tring a config on irssi)
[06:46] <JDahl> newter, you could try to boot with acpi=off and see if it makes a difference
[06:47] <newter> I gave that a try, it didnt make a diffrence
[06:47] <brainZzZ> but on irc it wouldnt make much of a diffrence
[06:47] <jasonf> brainZzZ: pci=noapic <-- have you tried that?
[06:47] <brainZzZ> I think the far Left tried that on the Chicago cops at the Democratic convention in 1968.
[06:47] <ChaosZ3RO> Anyone else have any ideas how to fix my sound?
[06:48] <regeya> okay who let the markov bot loose on #ubuntu
[06:49] <kakalto> how do you extract *.deb files?
[06:49] <kakalto> I go into nautilus, double-click them, and it doesn't work
[06:49] <kakalto> I assume I have to do something in the root terminal?
[06:49] <JDahl> kakalto, I dont think you can.. why do you need to?
[06:49] <newter> JDahl: would it use the same boot settings I set on the first install process or would I have to give it the options at the 2nd stage boot process.
[06:49] <regeya> brainZzZ is one of the most convincing markov bots I've seen, really
[06:49] <brainZzZ> Planning is the only worthwhile exercise, really.
[06:50] <regeya> indeed.
[06:50] <regeya> brainZzZ
[06:50] <brainZzZ> I saw that article regeya
[06:50] <kakalto> JDahl, I'm transferring .deb files to another computer, so I can have those modules on the other computer
[06:50] <ircleuser> hey hey guys
[06:50] <neom> make
[06:50] <neom> wrong keyboard.
[06:51] <JDahl> kalalto, you can install them with "sudo dpkg -i xxx.deb", but you dont have to extract them
[06:51] <brainZzZ> and it means if you have one, you dont have to work and you can race your car all day
[06:51] <regeya> someone tell me why the interesting things seem to happen in perl-space, when there are cleaner scripting languages out there.  that ought to be a simple one.  brainZzZ?
[06:51] <brainZzZ> it can be done in a number of ways but ".adduser someone" and ".chattr someone +a" is a simple one.
[06:51] <regeya> I see!
[06:52] <neom> anyway, when running a configure on irssi, I get the errors, aclocal-1.4 .. missing, autoconfig..missing autoheader..missing.. makeinfo..missing gcc..no cc..no cl..no configuration error, no acceptable c compiler found in $PATH
[06:52] <ircleuser> how do you change your nickname in irc
[06:52] <ircleuser> i don't remember
[06:52] <neom> /nick bah
[06:52] <paulproteus> ircleuser: Type:
[06:52] <regeya>  /nick whatever
[06:52] <paulproteus> Erm, never mind. :)
[06:52] <ChaosZ3RO> Anyone have any ideas how to get my sound working better? My sound is very quiet and I have to turn my stereo up to do anything. Everything in alsamixer is turned all the way up.
[06:53] <rempresent> great
[06:53] <rempresent> i am on my mac right now using ircle, i hate it
[06:53] <rempresent> it
[06:54] <Boohbah> is there a hoary iso image out there somewhere?
[06:55] <ChaosZ3RO> ...
[06:55] <ChaosZ3RO> wow
[06:55] <ChaosZ3RO> I found my problem
[06:55] <ChaosZ3RO> and might have blown my headphones
[06:55] <Boohbah> ChaosZ3RO: heh, forgot the mixer volume?
[06:55] <ChaosZ3RO> no, had to mute external amplifier
[06:56] <ChaosZ3RO> didn't blow my headphones
[06:56] <Amaranth> I got someone hooked on Ubuntu with a Live CD. :)
[06:56] <ChaosZ3RO> ubuntu is the first distro to get everything working on my laptop :P
[06:57] <Amaranth> Clueless user that knows nothing about Windows even. He booted the Live CD and played with The GIMP for an hour or so.
[06:57] <Lathiat> Amaranth: funk :)
[06:57] <Lathiat> my mum doesnt think its too bad, but gthumb is still a little confusing
[06:57] <Lathiat> maybe f-spot will get better
[06:58] <jmhodges> hrm.. anyone know the kernel module for a toshiba mk4250 hard drive?
[06:59] <jmhodges> or where i should look for list of that sort of thing
[06:59] <Boohbah> i am trying to install ubuntu in vmware but when it tries to update the apt repositories after install it always hangs my whole system. anyone got ubuntu running in vmware?
[06:59] <brainZzZ> DHCP doesn't work in Redhat 9 in Vmware 4
[07:00] <thoreauputic> Boohbah: maybe try setting the network manually?
[07:00] <Amaranth> brainZzZ: Sounds like a problem for #redhat. :)
[07:00] <brainZzZ> sounds like a problem
[07:01] <hams> what's a good choice for an ftp server?
[07:01] <Lathiat> hams: proftpd
[07:01] <thoreauputic> brainZzZ: say no to DHCP and set gateway, IP etc yourselfin the install
[07:01] <brainZzZ> you didnt try to run the bot from the installdir, did you?
[07:02] <thoreauputic> oops, that was for Boohbah
[07:02] <Boohbah> thoreauputic: it reaches the network fine and starts downloading packages but always dies during the update
[07:03] <Goofyy> I'm having trouble getting the ethernet card to work on Ubuntu. It seems it can't get DNS info. Maybe not talking nice with my adsl router?
[07:03] <Boohbah> i'm pretty sure it's an issue with vmware on my system, so maybe i shouldn't ask this channel ;)
[07:03] <Agrajag-> hey all, im having trouble with mounting an nfs share, i'm getting "mount: RPC: Program not registered" when doing mount. other machines are mounting the same share i'm trying to mount. any ideas?
[07:03] <thoreauputic> hmm... perhaps skip the update and try it after installing with sudo apt-get upgrade?
[07:03] <aToaster> how do I find out the samba shares on the network in command line?
[07:04] <Boohbah> maybe i'll just get the livecd and burn it
[07:04] <Agrajag-> aToaster: smbclient
[07:04] <Boohbah> thoreauputic: how can i disable the automatic update right after install?
[07:05] <thoreauputic> Boohbah: I was asked if i wanted it during the install - "do you want to get files fromthe internet" or similar
[07:05] <aToaster> Agrajag-: know what option gets me a listing of all the samba shares?
[07:06] <Boohbah> thoreauputic: ok, so i just say no to that option and apt-get upgrade later?
[07:06] <|QuaD-> does anyone know how to use network settings in qemu?
[07:06] <brainZzZ> i'll have to say no to that myself
[07:06] <thoreauputic> Boohbah: yes, that should be fine
[07:07] <thoreauputic> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[07:07] <Boohbah> ok, i will try it again in vmware
[07:08] <Xirdneh> hi there, question, i have a wireless WLAN 1450 dual band, already installed the driver and made a modprobe ndiswrapper... ndiswrapper told me this:Installed ndis drivers:
[07:08] <Xirdneh> bcmwl5a driver present, hardware present
[07:08] <Xirdneh> 
[07:09] <Xirdneh> but still nothing :s
[07:10] <Fazer> Hi
[07:10] <Xirdneh> any ideas why?
[07:10] <Fazer> Can anyone tell me why I get Kernel panics when I boot the live cd?
[07:10] <toresbe> Fazer: what sort of kernel panics?
[07:11] <Fazer> toresbe: failure to init or someting like that
[07:11] <Fazer> when the splash screen appears
[07:11] <Fazer> then it just stops and hangs right there
[07:11] <toresbe> Fazer: That's about as specific as "My washing machine is broken, plz help, what's wrong with it?"
[07:11] <Fazer> toresbe: something to do with init
[07:11] <Fazer> after I get past the splah screen.
[07:11] <toresbe> Fazer: Well, that could mean a lot of things
[07:12] <neom> Is ssh turned off or something in ubuntu?
[07:12] <Fazer> toresbe: this occurs when I am using the Live CD
[07:13] <neom> I tried to ssh from my windowz box to it, and it didn't go.
[07:13] <Fazer> it is after it recognizes the hard drives and what not
[07:13] <Fazer> toresbe: I don't know what else to say
[07:13] <Fazer> Someone told me that to use "noscan" in the options.
[07:13] <toresbe> neom: SSH is turned off on the livecd
[07:13] <Fazer> err in the arguments rather
[07:13] <rempresent> how can i log onto my brothers computer which is running windows?
[07:13] <rempresent> using samba
[07:14] <toresbe> rempresent: Uhm, that's easy.
[07:14] <toresbe> rempresent: GIYF. :)
[07:14] <rempresent> then shoot
[07:14] <toresbe> Fazer: Tried not doing that?
[07:14] <zenrox> rempresent,  www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:14] <Fazer> toresbe: Uh yeah
[07:14] <gobeavs> what is GIYF?
[07:14] <neom> toresbe - How do I turn it back on?
[07:14] <eyequeue> neom:  if you want it, sudo apt-get install ssh-server
[07:14] <gobeavs> never seen that acronym
[07:14] <Fazer> eyequeue: What's the root password on the Live CD?
[07:15] <toresbe> Fazer: Is none
[07:15] <eyequeue> Fazer:  there is not one, root is not a ubuntu thing really
[07:15] <eyequeue> Fazer:  root is also disabled if you install ubuntu
[07:15] <Fazer> ah okay
[07:16] <eyequeue> toresbe:  tha's okay, we know the feeling, heh
[07:17] <toresbe> it's 07:16... in the AM.
[07:17] <Fazer> When you guys actually do help, it's a good thankful feeling.
[07:17] <Fazer> it's 1:16 in the AM.
[07:17] <Fazer> toresbe: where in Europe?
[07:17] <Slaven> 07:17
[07:17] <toresbe> Norwaynia
[07:17] <calamari_> help kybd not work  why   did  before
[07:17] <Slaven> (Sweden)
[07:17] <Fazer> Norway!
[07:17] <unperson> If you're using a synaptics touchpad, is roll of of the SHMConfig option in the X config just to allow reconfiguration on the fly?  Assuming you aren't going to want to readjust the settings often, is there any reason not to just put the settings you want in the X config and leave it at that?
[07:18] <toresbe> Slaven: mycket bra, sta bror
[07:18] <Fazer> Bra
[07:19] <Fazer> yes, I like bras too
[07:19] <Slaven> sta bror? :P
[07:19] <toresbe> Fazer: bras are nice things :P
[07:19] <calamari_> help kybd not work
[07:19] <Fazer> toresbe: I concur.
[07:19] <toresbe> calamari_: how are you typing?
[07:19] <Slaven> that's norwegian talk!
[07:19] <toresbe> Slaven: It's a Norwegian expression for Sweden, when we like you :P
[07:19] <toresbe> "Svenskefaen" when we don't :P
 calamari_: how are you typing?
[07:20] <Fazer> by moving fingers
[07:20] <Fazer> and applying pressures to various keys
[07:20] <Fazer> right?
[07:20] <Slaven> toresbe: I imagine the latter is the most frequently used.
[07:20] <toresbe> Fazer: No, but his "kybd" is broken
[07:20] <Fazer> hahah
[07:20] <toresbe> Slaven: Swedes have cheap booze - we like booze.
[07:20] <toresbe> Thus, we like Swedes. :P
[07:21] <Fazer> Canadia beer pwns you all (So I have heard since I don't drink)
[07:21] <calamari_> charmap
[07:21] <toresbe> calamari_: Seriously?
[07:21] <toresbe> my goodness, that explains the abbreviations
[07:21] <calamari_> Seriously?
[07:21] <Fazer> what's charmap?
[07:21] <Slaven> toresbe: Swedes go to Denmark and Germany to get booze.
[07:21] <toresbe> Fazer: It's an onscreen KB
[07:22] <Fazer> toresbe: Ah, gotcha
[07:22] <toresbe> calamari_: Is it a USB KB?
[07:22] <Fazer> Slaven: Do you guys have 24Mbps internet for like... $25 USD / month?
[07:22] <toresbe> Fazer: Yes.
[07:22] <toresbe> Fazer: Svenskefaen.
[07:22] <toresbe> ;)
[07:22] <Fazer> Svenskefaen?
[07:23] <Fazer> is that... dutch or what? (sorry if that is a stupid question)
[07:23] <HrdwrBoB> haha, in australia, we have 512kb/s internet for $50USD / month
[07:23] <Slaven> Fazer: More like 8Mps for $25/month.
[07:23] <Slaven> :)
[07:23] <toresbe> Fazer: it means roughly "Damned swedes"
[07:23] <Fazer> Slaven: Ah okay
[07:23] <Fazer> toresbe: Oh, haha.  I'll remember that for the next time my swedish friend comes online
[07:23] <Slaven> Jaja, jvla norrmn!
[07:23] <calamari_> no pushed unknown combo in console window
[07:24] <toresbe> calamari_: try ctrl-q?
[07:24] <toresbe> in the console window, that be
[07:24] <toresbe> calamari_: Try unplugging and putting back the KB
[07:24] <Slaven> Breakfast.
[07:25] <rempresent> ok, i read the guide, but it doesn't say how to connect to someones computer, just how to share
[07:25] <rempresent> how can i connect to someones computer using samba
[07:25] <rempresent> his computer name is butter
[07:25] <regeya> guh.  can't believe I'm actually considering using perl for a project at work (been using python for a while)
[07:25] <regeya> and on that note, I need sleep.
[07:25] <Agrajag> either mount the share using smbfs, or use nautilus
[07:26] <calamari_> ok
[07:26] <calamari_> i CAN TYPE AGAIN.. KINDA
[07:26] <regeya> good night, brainZzZ!
[07:26] <rempresent> how do you mount using smbfs
[07:26] <brainZzZ> good night, thanx
[07:26] <regeya> holy moly
[07:26] <toresbe> calamari_: For varying values of "can type", ues
[07:26] <toresbe> yes*
[07:26] <eyequeue> rempresent:  man smbclient
[07:26] <toresbe> bah
[07:26] <calamari> dd
[07:26] <Agrajag> sudo mount -t smbfs //computer_name/sharename /mount/point
[07:26] <calamari> must be a loose connection
[07:26] <regeya> brainZzZ: rool the balufe salunary quapo
[07:27] <Agrajag> you may have to use the ip address instaed of the name
[07:27] <brainZzZ> then went for coffee
[07:27] <regeya> :(
[07:27] <zenrox> rempresent,  read www.ubuntuguide.org to firuer out how to mount smb shares
[07:27] <calamari> jiggled it and it started working..
[07:27] <calamari> thanks :)
[07:27] <toresbe> calamari_: noprobs
[07:28] <Agrajag> hey why are there two of me here?
[07:28] <toresbe> Agrajag: There's not, you're just drunk
[07:28] <Agrajag> Agrajag-: do you suppose you could pick a different name?
[07:28] <calamari> one weird thing about it is that everything got really slow while it was no working
[07:28] <calamari> but ubuntu didn't crash.. coolest os ever :)  charmap was seriously lacking in some respects tho.. no numbers or spaces
[07:29] <Fazer> heheh
[07:29] <Fazer> kybrd
[07:30] <Fazer> yep
[07:30] <Fazer> so, how is everybody?
[07:30] <eyequeue> Fazer:  rhymes with freebird
[07:30] <Fazer> or thunderbird
[07:30] <eyequeue> i do with there was a .deb for sunbird, on that note
[07:30] <eyequeue> s/with/wish/
[07:31] <Fazer> what's sunbird?
[07:31] <Agrajag> mozilla's calendar
[07:31] <aToaster> Ah... the ubuntuguide is wrong on how to mount samba shares, the filesystem type needs to be specified before the address is called
[07:31] <eyequeue> Fazer:  firefox/thunderbird/sunbird :: web/email/calendar
[07:32] <Amaranth> reworking of Mozilla Calendar like Firefox was a reworking of Mozilla Browser
[07:32] <Fazer> ooh
[07:32] <Amaranth> It uses iCal format files too.
[07:32] <zenrox> aToaster,  thats what works for me
[07:32] <Fazer> thanks
[07:32] <Fazer> that must be cool
[07:32] <Fazer> bah linkin park sux
[07:33] <aToaster> zenrox: you mean the ubuntuguide.org directions work for you?  I couldn't get it to work until I specified -t smbfs before the //server/dir
[07:33] <zenrox> ya that part is wrong
[07:33] <zenrox> i put my shares in my fstab
[07:33] <zenrox> that i mount
[07:34] <aToaster> zenrox: ah I c, hey, do you know why at boot it wont mount my windows sda1, but after I boot I can run mount -a and it mounts fine?
[07:34] <brainZzZ> i lived with my brother while i was out here, and it was cool spending some time with him, and i feel kinda guilty feeling this way,
[07:35] <Fazer> brainZzZ: why do you feel guildy feeling that way?
[07:35] <talibkweli> does anyone know if there is a ntfs resizer program on the ubuntu live cd
[07:35] <brainZzZ> why do you feel like ****?
[07:36] <zenrox> aToaster,  didja put the password in the fstab
[07:36] <regeya> Fazer, markov bot
[07:36] <regeya> brainZzZ, you're a clever little idiot, aren't you?
[07:36] <aToaster> zenrox: why would I need a password for mounting a disk thats on my comp? it's another hard drive that I have windowsxp on
[07:36] <brainZzZ> aren't you 14 now, regeya.
[07:36] <heliolith> is there an alias in .bashrc I can add to create a warning if i'm about to overwrite a file via cp or mv? the standard -v -i doesn't do that apparently... but gnome does
[07:37] <regeya> brainZzZ, lol I have 14 mules
[07:37] <eyequeue> heliolith:  -i works for me
[07:37] <brainZzZ> lol i have a guy at work
[07:37] <regeya> brainZzZ, guy at work is 14 mules
[07:37] <zenrox> aToaster,  hmmm thats odd what do you have in your fstab past it in a mesage
[07:37] <brainZzZ> and how embarrassing if you have to deal with some guy at work who you had *** with and got bored with!
[07:37] <eyequeue> heliolith:  alias mv='mv -i'
[07:37] <regeya> brainZzZ I don't understand ****
[07:37] <brainZzZ> i don't understand that
[07:38] <aToaster> /dev/sda1       /media/windows  ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[07:38] <aToaster>   zenrox: that what your asking?
[07:38] <heliolith> eyequeue: eep egad my bad! thanks
[07:38] <zenrox> aToaster,  right after umask=0222 put ,defaults
[07:38] <zenrox> thats why
[07:39] <aToaster> so... /dev/sda1       /media/windows  ntfs    umask=0222,defaults      0       0
[07:39] <heliolith> back to linux.org/lessons (= thanks!
[07:39] <zenrox> aToaster,  yep
[07:39] <eyequeue> heliolith:  parallel aliases for rm and cp here too
[07:39] <regeya> brainZzZ idiot
[07:39] <brainZzZ> ******g idiots
[07:39] <aToaster> zenrox: thanks!
[07:40] <daniels> brainZzZ, regeya: watch your language.
[07:40] <zenrox> aToaster,  n/p
[07:40] <brainZzZ> the atkins diet just teaches you how to watch your carb intake
[07:40] <zenrox> brainZzZ,  its also a fad diet
[07:40] <brainZzZ> but my point is that if you stop choosing to eat overly processed junk food, you'll cut out all those high carb foods rather than needing to buy fake food in order to pretend you're eating carbs since carbs are verboten in your new special fad diet
[07:40] <nevyn> daniels: did you see the size of the nforce3 audio driver?
[07:40] <aToaster> lol, how did we come upon the atkins diet in this chat?
[07:41] <daniels> nevyn: nope
[07:41] <unperson> I have xscreensaver set to not lock my terminal when it comes on.  Yet, it seems that if I'm running my laptop on battery it will lock the terminal when the screensaver comes on.  What up wit dat?
[07:41] <daniels> 06:41 -!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with brainZzZ
[07:41] <daniels> 06:41 <brainZzZ> [13:38]  Tcl error in file 'eggdrop.conf':
[07:41] <daniels> good god, it's not even a well-configured markov bot
[07:41] <nevyn> daniels: didn't you just get a nforce3 for amd64?
[07:41] <eyequeue> heh
[07:42] <Fazer> wb
[07:42] <daniels> nevyn: nf4, but haven't fully set it up yet (need a new psu)
[07:42] <nevyn> daniels: you may want to hack the i810 driver instead of using the binary one.
[07:43] <nevyn> it does mixing, multiopen, reverb and chorus in software in kernelspace
[07:43] <zenrox> whats the least cpu intensive screen hack
[07:43] <zenrox> becides blank screen
[07:43] <nevyn> and you read the stuff on ACPI and nforce on amd64?
[07:43] <daniels> nev	heh
[07:44] <Amaranth> daniels: odd, that was a real person earlier
[07:44] <nevyn> daniels: jaymz looked at the symbol table.
[07:46] <Fazer> http://i.timeinc.net/time/2004/wireless/spokane/photos/05.jpg <-- Holy shit that cop is hot
[07:47] <unperson> Where is the .Xdefaults file located?
[07:47] <Agrajag> unperson: in your home directory
[07:47] <daniels> Fazer: dude, offtopic
[07:47] <zenrox> in spokane i live 200 miles from that crack infested town
[07:48] <Fazer> daniels: Oh, sorry
[07:48] <thoreauputic> unperson: you might have to create one ( touch .Xdefaults )
[07:48] <unperson> Agrajag:  Hmm...ok, thanks.
[07:49] <unperson> thoreauputic, Thanks.  Actually, I don't need one at this point.  I wanted to see what was in it, if it existed.
[07:49] <djtansey> how do you make ubuntu do automount with passing options like user_xattr?
[07:50] <thoreauputic> unperson: I see. I don't have one here (Warty) haven't needed it (yet)
[07:50] <aToaster> I wish there were better looking xmms skins =/
[07:51] <Stereotype> aToaster: Use WinAmp Skins, instead.:-/
[07:51] <aToaster> Stereotype: ah didn't know you could do that
[07:51] <thoreauputic> aToaster: try beep-media-player - xmms skins look better with it :)
[07:52] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install beep-media-player :)
[07:52] <Slaven> hm
[07:52] <Slaven> how do you install winamp themes?
[07:53] <unperson> thoreauputic, Well, apparently me neither.  I'm just taking wild guesses at why my screensaver decides to lock the terminal when on battery.  Thought maybe it was reading a different config file.
[07:53] <Stereotype> Should be the normal way.
[07:53] <Slaven> nvm
[07:53] <Slaven> hittade
[07:53] <Slaven> argh -- I found out how, I mean.
[07:54] <aToaster> Slaven: how?
[07:55] <thoreauputic> unperson: hmm.. power management feature/bug ?
[07:56] <aToaster> whats a good filesharing program for linux?  (other than bit torrent)
[07:56] <Stereotype> LimeWire?
[07:57] <Stereotype> http://www.limewire.com/
[07:57] <Slaven> aToaster: http://www.geocities.com/tipsforlinux/articles/5.html
[07:57] <Slaven> so it's really just about renaming from .wsz to .zip
[07:57] <randabis> GIFT is good too
[07:57] <Slaven> and putting them in .xmms/skins
[07:58] <Slaven> pysoulseek
[07:58] <xoxox1> hello, i am running ubuntu 4.10. now i want to write to my CDRW. anybody please recommend me a software for burning CDR?
[07:58] <Slaven> k3b
[07:58] <randabis> gnomebaker
[07:59] <xoxox1> k3b for KDE? i guess a gnome burner would be better for Ubutu?
[07:59] <xoxox1> ok i will try gnomebaker, thanks
[07:59] <randabis> k3b will work too
[07:59] <aToaster> Slaven: thanks, thats pretty easy
[07:59] <Slaven> yeah, k3b apps look malplac in gnome ;)
[08:00] <thoreauputic> xoxox1: for just coppying files or iso , right click in nautilus file manager
[08:00] <thoreauputic> or go to burn:///
[08:00] <Stereotype> k3b works for gnome.
[08:00] <Stereotype> xcdroast too.
[08:01] <Slaven> I liked Xandros CD-burner... the only thing I liked about Xandros, but...
[08:01] <thoreauputic> xcdroast is kind of unintuitive, IMHO :/
[08:01] <thoreauputic> although it works well enough
[08:01] <trace> hello room
[08:01] <aToaster> anyone use gIFT? only filesharing program I found in the rep
[08:01] <unperson> thoreauputic, Yes, it probably is related to power management...it must be a I guess.  But more than that I cannot say.  Oh well.
[08:02] <unperson> Night all.
[08:02] <xoxox1> thoreauputic: how to run Nautilus file manager? is that the default file manager?
[08:02] <thoreauputic> yes
[08:02] <aToaster> woo, drscheme is in the rep
[08:02] <xoxox1> actually i never use file manager in linux. console is good enough
[08:03] <xoxox1> and mc also good
[08:03] <thoreauputic> xoxox1: go to home from the menu and it opens nautilus etc
[08:03] <trace> how do you config sound in ubuntu/
[08:03] <xoxox1> thoreauputic: ok thank you
[08:03] <ChaosZ3RO[away] > trace: try alsamixer
[08:03] <Slaven> console > nautilus, agreed
[08:04] <trace> Where isthat located in the system?
[08:04] <xoxox1> Stereotype: you said that k3b works for gnome? but it requires kde
[08:04] <thoreauputic> xoxox1: nautilus is OK - if you hate the way it opens new dirs, change to browser mode in "behaviour"
[08:04] <Slaven> xoxoxo1: No, it just requires some kde packages.
[08:04] <Slaven> not all.
[08:04] <xoxox1> yeah i see that
[08:05] <Slaven> you want a screenshot of it running in gnome or what?
[08:06] <xoxox1> Slaven: no, i just hate kde, and dont want to see it. gnome is better for me. it is lighter also.
[08:06] <thoreauputic> trace: just type  alsamixer in a terminal ;)
[08:06] <gustavor> how do i automaticly loads modules at startup?
[08:06] <trace> Kde is pretty
[08:06] <Slaven> gustavor: add them to /etc/modules
[08:06] <trace> but gnome is sleek
[08:06] <gustavor> Slaven, thanks
[08:06] <randabis> k3b is decent, but now that gnomebaker is getting better and better I prefer using it for burning
[08:07] <randabis> XFCE > kde and gnome imho :p
[08:07] <trace> lol
[08:07] <xoxox1> hm... i run "apt-cache search baker", and it returned no burner at all. so where is "gnomebaker"?
[08:07] <kakalto> I've installed the w32codecs and totem-xine, and when I open a movie file in totem, the sound comes out, but there' no visuals
[08:07] <thoreauputic> !start a desktop environment war
[08:07] <trace> can totem play dvds??
[08:07] <thoreauputic> ;)
[08:07] <Amaranth> xoxox1: You have to find a deb somewhere else or compile from source
[08:07] <randabis> xoxox1, I'll give you a link for the deb...it's not in any ubuntu repositories atm
[08:08] <trace> I'm a new user
[08:08] <kakalto> trace, yup
[08:08] <Slaven> http://gatubarn.mine.nu/k3b-png
[08:08] <xoxox1> randabis, yes please.
[08:08] <Slaven> http://gatubarn.mine.nu/k3b.png
[08:08] <Slaven> no need for kde. :P
[08:08] <Amaranth> someone needs to make a GTKish theme for QT
[08:08] <kakalto> trace, trace, you just need to install the dvd thing
[08:08] <trace> I just instleed ubuntu 1 hour ago
[08:08] <xoxox1> so i suppose that for gnome only, gnomebaker is the best burner?
[08:08] <trace> *installed
[08:09] <eyequeue> anyone got a sunbird deb?
[08:09] <Amaranth> xoxox1: Until Coaster gets more work done on it, yeah.
[08:09] <kakalto> trace, go onto www.ubuntuguide.org and go to the dvds section
[08:09] <kakalto> as far as I can remember, there is a guide for installing dvd support
[08:09] <trace> thanks kakalto, just wanted to know
[08:09] <kakalto> s' alright :D
[08:10] <kakalto> I've installed the w32codecs and totem-xine, and when I open a movie file in totem, the sound comes out, but there' no visuals... does anyone know what the problem is?
[08:10] <trace> I installed it on a old laptop first, to see if i'd like it..
[08:10] <trace> ubuntu rules....lol
[08:10] <thoreauputic> kakalto: probably search for "restricted formats" :)
[08:10] <thoreauputic> trace: indeed :)
[08:11] <kakalto> okay..
[08:11] <trace> What's a good ide to use for ubuntu?
[08:11] <xoxox1> anybody has .deb link for gnomebaker? i found nothing at all at gnomebaker.sf.net ???
[08:11] <trace> I looked at ajunta
[08:11] <aToaster> trace: for what language?
[08:11] <gustavor> have anybody used uml with ubuntu? tunctl -u gustavo -> Failed to open '/dev/net/tun'
[08:12] <thoreauputic> trace: heh - emacs *ducks8
[08:12] <trace> c and c++
[08:12] <troll_god> here is simple problem, i need to change my alsa device its stuck on dummy mixer anyone know how ?
[08:12] <aToaster> trace: haven't looked at it yet, but ajunta looks decent?
[08:12] <Slaven> school -->
[08:12] <troll_god> preferably not through a gui
[08:12] <thoreauputic> trace: vim </joke>
[08:12] <pvh> Is ESD Ubuntu's default sound daemon?
[08:12] <pvh> or is Alsa?
[08:13] <thoreauputic> troll_god: run alsaconf ?
[08:13] <trace> yea..I installed kde and kdevelope...but it looks very advance....
[08:13] <aToaster> troll_god: heya troll, I managed to get the new ATI drivers working on Warty, soo happy, lol
[08:13] <Amaranth> pvh: Different things.
[08:13] <trace> lol vim
[08:13] <pvh> Amaranth: What is ESD, then?
[08:13] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:13] <randabis> xoxox1, http://people.debian.org/~goedson/warty/packages/gnomebaker/snapshots/gnomebaker_0.2+cvs20050127-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
[08:13] <Amaranth> ALSA is how the Linux kernel does sound, ESounD is a networking sound daemon.
[08:13] <pvh> Is it more at the gstreamer level?
[08:13] <Amaranth> below gstreamer
[08:13] <thoreauputic> enlightenment sound daemon
[08:13] <aToaster> is there any way to get nano to do syntax highlighting and stuff?
[08:14] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: No, ESounD
[08:14] <pvh> Amaranth: EsounD, not Enlightened Sound Daemon?
[08:14] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: ah, I stand corrected :)
[08:14] <Amaranth> pvh: Yeah.
[08:14] <troll_god> thoreauputic: when i type alsaconf says command not found, when i locate alsaconf nothing returns, and wheni apt-get alsaconf it infroms me alsa-utils are the newest version
[08:14] <pvh> Amaranth: The webpage suggests they are one and the same.
[08:14] <troll_god> aToaster: Congradulations =D
[08:14] <trace> where do you go to setup sound in ubuntu???
[08:14] <_4strO> yop yop all
[08:14] <thoreauputic> troll_god:  as root
[08:14] <pvh> Amaranth: And that they haven't been updated since 2000.
[08:15] <troll_god> thoreauputic: I am doing it as root
[08:15] <Amaranth> GNOME has esd, KDE has something else. I can't remember what it is but it always ate 99% CPU for me.
[08:15] <xoxox1> randabis, thank you a lot. will try it now
[08:15] <pvh> Amaranth: OSS?
[08:15] <Agrajag> kde has artsd
[08:15] <Amaranth> artsd, there you go
[08:15] <HrdwrBoB> Amaranth: next ubuntu will have polypaudio
[08:15] <randabis> xoxox1, you need to install cdda2wav first
[08:15] <Amaranth> pvh: No, OSS is what the Linux kernel used before ALSA.
[08:15] <HrdwrBoB> which is like ESD
[08:15] <troll_god> thoreauputic: oh im thinking you ment program alsaconf not alsa.conf =/
[08:15] <HrdwrBoB> only it doesn't suck as much
[08:15] <Amaranth> HrdwrBoB: Awesome, KDE is supposed to be standardizing on it too.
[08:16] <thoreauputic> troll_god: you are right - I just tried it here - I'm used to Debian, sorry
[08:16] <pvh> HrdwrBoB: I am running hoary. Is it in yet?
[08:16] <troll_god> thoreauputic: do you know the programs name in ubuntu?
[08:17] <randabis> yes you can get polypaudio in hoary
[08:17] <thoreauputic> troll_god: hmm - normally it's just alsaconf - but I don't see it here :(
[08:17] <randabis> I don't think it's working quite right yet though
[08:17] <HrdwrBoB> pvh: only if you manually get it
[08:17] <pvh> Amaranth: So what the heck is ESD doing for me? Gstreamer outputs sound to ALSA which mixes and sends to the device, right?
[08:18] <HrdwrBoB> pvh: I will write something up on how to use it tomorrow
[08:18] <pvh> HrdwrBoB: Great, where will it be?
[08:18] <aToaster> anyone know if they're working on anything like expose for linux?
[08:18] <troll_god> ESD is an alternative to gstreamer
[08:18] <Amaranth> pvh: Well, some cards don't support playing two sounds at once.
[08:18] <HrdwrBoB> pvh: on the wiki :)
[08:18] <Amaranth> pvh: esd fakes that for you
[08:18] <pvh> HrdwrBoB: I'll be there.
[08:18] <Amaranth> troll_god: No it isn't.
[08:18] <pvh> Amaranth: So does ALSA, I thought.
[08:18] <pvh> Amaranth: With dmxi
[08:18] <pvh> *dmix
[08:19] <Amaranth> pvh: Yeah, it does now.
[08:19] <Amaranth> pvh: But that's just Linux, GNOME runs on lots of other OSes.
[08:20] <Agrajag> I had it running on windows once
[08:20] <pvh> Amaranth: See, I'm trying to understand the linux sound-system so that I can direct my sound to a different card.
[08:20] <thoreauputic> troll_god: it appears ubuntu lacks the alsaconf utility :(
[08:20] <troll_god> thoreauputic: anyway around it? i switched to dummy mixer, and now i can't open volume control to change device back
[08:21] <thoreauputic> it would be in alsa-utils - you tried apt-get install alsa-utils right?
[08:21] <HauntedUnix> In which file can I put programs which I want to execute when I login via gdm?
[08:21] <troll_god> right newest version
[08:21] <thoreauputic> hmm
[08:21] <pvh> Amaranth: The data goes from the disk, to the application, to GStreamer, to ESD, to alsa, to the soundcard?
[08:21] <keyvan> hey i have a couple of gripes with ubuntu, maybe you can help me clear up:
[08:22] <randabis> ok
[08:22] <Amaranth> pvh: Yeah. :P
[08:22] <keyvan> i have installed it on my notebook computer, and i see the wlan signal bar and percent, as well as battery percentage
[08:22] <HauntedUnix> [I tried ~/.xinitrc and /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc] 
[08:22] <pvh> Amaranth: So how do I control ESD?
[08:22] <thoreauputic> HauntedUnix: .xsession in your homedir, and choose default system session
[08:22] <Amaranth> pvh: No idea, it "Just Works" for me.
[08:22] <keyvan> but i dont have any utility to actually scan and change my wireless connection
[08:22] <HauntedUnix> Thanks, thoreauputic ;)
[08:22] <pvh> Amaranth: Excruciating.
[08:22] <Amaranth> keyvan: There are a couple apps for that, if I can remember the names...
[08:22] <thoreauputic> HauntedUnix: no problem :)
[08:23] <keyvan> and when i unplug my A/C, it doesnt know, it still thinks its plugged into ac, but the percent is legitimate
[08:23] <Amaranth> keyvan: One is NetworkManager, the other has a similar name.
[08:23] <keyvan> Amaranth: oh the one from HP, right?
[08:23] <Amaranth> no...
[08:23] <Amaranth> One of them is being developed by a RH dev, iirc.
[08:24] <troll_god> thoreauputic: when i try to run gnome-volume-control i get the message Segmentation fault via stderr
[08:24] <thoreauputic> troll_god: oh dear
[08:24] <keyvan> any idea where i can get them?
[08:24] <keyvan> or should i google it.
[08:24] <thoreauputic> troll_god: bug report time...
[08:24] <mlambie> network manager is in thom's repository i think
[08:24] <Amaranth> keyvan: hang on, i'm digging
[08:24] <troll_god> thoreauputic: I just need to know how to change the device =[[[
[08:24] <keyvan> aside from those 2 small issues, ubuntu just blew me away, i love this distro
[08:24] <mlambie> i tried it, but it didn't like warty
[08:25] <keyvan> thanks Amaranth
[08:25] <_4strO`4rt3> ++
[08:25] <thoreauputic> troll_god: maybe try #alsa ?
[08:25] <troll_god> im in there =/// i asked there fist
[08:25] <troll_god> thoreauputic: looks like debian uses alsactl =/
[08:26] <thoreauputic> troll_god: I imagine the response time is long in #alsa
[08:26] <thoreauputic> troll_god: yeah, alsactl is for saving the config etc
[08:26] <pvh> Amaranth: I should be able to completely bypass esd, right?
[08:27] <Amaranth> pvh: As long are you're using everything locally it shouldn't be a problem.
[08:27] <Amaranth> You can configure gstream to use alsa with gst-config, iirc
[08:27] <Amaranth> err, gstreamer
[08:27] <thoreauputic> alsactl seems to exist in ubuntu - just typed whereis alsactland it showed up
[08:27] <keyvan> Amaranth: i am going to go get ready for bed and shower, if you find it, please /msg the url to me if you don't mind, thanks for your help, brb
[08:28] <thoreauputic> troll_god: you might try typing alsa <tab> <tab> and see what you get
[08:29] <thoreauputic> troll_god: I get alsactl and alsamixer
[08:29] <thoreauputic> I'm on PPC though
[08:29] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: system specs?
[08:29] <thoreauputic> iBook G4 768MB ram 1.2 Ghz
[08:30] <troll_god> thoreauputic: me too, with aplay
[08:30] <thoreauputic> 12" model - sweet :)
[08:30] <thoreauputic> troll_god: intereting - I have no aplay for some reason
[08:30] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: hmmm... did you try OSX?
[08:31] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: yep. Nice but I prefer Ubuntu :)
[08:31] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: i see
[08:31] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: I have fink installedetc, but it's alot of hassle
[08:31] <troll_god> thoreauputic: It comes with alsa-utils
[08:32] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: thinking of getting a dual g5 for graphics at work
[08:32] <aToaster> anyone know how to get GAIM to blink or something in the taskbar when you get IM'd?
[08:32] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: OS X is very good but I'm used to the *nix way of doing things and OS X kind of hides things where you have to dig for them
[08:33] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: also Ubuntu is faster on this machine
[08:33] <jdub> aToaster: turn on the notification icon, it should be on by default
[08:34] <thoreauputic> especially with my newly compiled fluxbox 0.9.12 ! :)
[08:34] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: rofl
[08:34] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: i fell in love with xfce the other day
[08:35] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: yeah, nice - but I'm a flux fanboy <grin>
[08:35] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: I'm dual booting - so: best of both worlds :)
[08:36] <Dreamer3> i used flux with gentoo... then i got tired of minimal :)
[08:36] <Dreamer3> so i used gnome 2.4, but it was too slow... so i switched to kde 3.2 (faster)... then back to gnome 2.6 (faster) then to 2.8... then i found xfce :)
[08:37] <Dreamer3> i think someone wanted a mini-gnome, at least it feels that way to me... prolly just gtk2 i'm used to
[08:37] <randabis> XFCE > all :)
[08:38] <Dreamer3> randabis: it's sweet, i've been trying it out on low memory computers
[08:38] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: the latest flux is far from minimal and has some nice eye-candy like transparency and so on - also gnome notification areas work
[08:38] <Dreamer3> randabis: gnome is a bit much for 64mb
[08:38] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: oh yeah? are there screen shots, do you have a good one perhaps?
[08:39] <randabis> Dreamer3, it flies with an Athlon XP 3200+ and 512MB dual channel DDR400 :)
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: hmm... hang on- I'm on dialupbut I can try to upload something to my web server
[08:39] <randabis> and works well with my pentium 3 450 mhz 224MB RAM laptop also
[08:39] <pvh> Can I somehow remove OSS from my system, or will that cause All Hell to break loose?
[08:40] <Dreamer3> randabis: yeah, that's one thing i'm looking for... one thing i can use everywhere
[08:40] <Dreamer3> randabis: i wish i had a box that fast
[08:40] <Dreamer3> randabis: i'm on p3/900,512mb, 18gig
[08:40] <randabis> yeah it's nice. built it myself
[08:40] <randabis> about a year ago
[08:41] <Dreamer3> randabis: what mainboard?
[08:41] <randabis> Abit NF7-S 2.0
[08:41] <nevyn> eww NF
[08:41] <randabis> my processor is actually an Athlon XP 2500+, but I bumped the 166mhz bus to 200mhz
[08:41] <ChaosZ3RO[away] > o_o I tell apt-get to upgrade gaim, and it's giving me instructions for lilo.... what the hell?
[08:42] <randabis> nevyn, works fine...everything detected and running out of the box
[08:42] <Dreamer3> randabis: i like asus boards...
[08:42] <Dreamer3> randabis: what chipset?
[08:42] <randabis> Nforce2 400 Ultra
[08:42] <jdub> pvh: the oss drivers are only there if you need them, most people don't
[08:42] <nevyn> Dreamer3: nf == nforce
[08:42] <jdub> pvh: there's no point removing them
[08:42] <jdub> pvh: we do, however, actively use the oss emulation on top of alsa
[08:42] <Dreamer3> nevyn: yeah, 2, 3 what?
[08:42] <Dreamer3> ah
[08:42] <jdub> pvh: because nothing using alsalibs is particularly stable yet
[08:43] <pvh> jdub: The problem is that there are so many places I can go wrong.
[08:43] <randabis> The NF7-S 2.0 is probably one of the best Nforce 2 boards out there
[08:43] <troll_god> thoreauputic: any idea?
[08:43] <nevyn> all nforces are bad news.. ;)
[08:43] <randabis> I disagree
[08:43] <Dreamer3> randabis: audio and everything work?
[08:43] <randabis> yeah
[08:43] <randabis> I use an Audigy 1 MP3+, but the onboard works as well
[08:44] <aToaster> jdub: umm, sorry to bug ya but.. I can't seem to find the notify option
[08:44] <Dreamer3> randabis: can you still buy the board new?
[08:44] <randabis> the onboard networking controller worked out of the box as well
[08:44] <randabis> Dreamer3, yes, as far as I know many online retailers still sell it
[08:45] <randabis> I bought it from newegg.com last year, but they still stock it I think
[08:45] <Dreamer3> randabis: i'm checking now :)
[08:45] <thoreauputic> troll_god: sorry afk - back soon
[08:45] <Dreamer3> randabis: do you like asus?
[08:45] <randabis> If you get one make sure it isn't NF7-S2...it should be NF7-S 2.0
[08:45] <randabis> they are different boards
[08:46] <Dreamer3> randabis: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-127-166&depa=1   ?
[08:46] <flamesrock_> how much does a decent asus board go for?
[08:46] <flamesrock_> just curious
[08:46] <Dreamer3> randabis: it only has 4 stars :)
[08:46] <randabis> yeah that's the one
[08:47] <randabis> I don't care...it's a solid platform. :) DFI makes a good Nforce2 board also
[08:47] <randabis> sure
[08:48] <randabis> I got the Abit because it's a better overclocker than the Asus...that was what I needed since I've done a 44 mhz overclock on the front side bus
[08:48] <Dreamer3> i don't do overclocking :)
[08:48] <Sparhawk_> the asus a7n8x-e delux would be the equivilant to the abit nf7-s 2.0
[08:48] <Dreamer3> Sparhawk_: i'm looking now :)
[08:48] <randabis> roughly yes it would
[08:49] <Sparhawk_> i have 3 nforce2 ultra 400 boards and 1 nforce 3 250GB board.  i love them all
[08:49] <FAST> i neeed a new chip, which means i need a new board, which means i need new memory, and new video card...... :(
[08:49] <Sparhawk_> now that kernel 2.6.8.1 + support the network and sound out of the box (for nforce3)
[08:49] <Dreamer3> Sparhawk_: with linux?
[08:49] <Sparhawk_> yup
[08:49] <Dreamer3> Sparhawk_: asus?
[08:49] <randabis> I only run ubuntu :)
[08:49] <troll_god> does anyone know how to change mixers in the gui, i have mine locked on dummy mixer
[08:50] <randabis> brb
[08:50] <Sparhawk_> i have the asus a7n8x-x (the cheap version of the deluxe board), and an abit nf7-s
[08:50] <Sparhawk_> and a gigiabye and a msi
[08:51] <Sparhawk_> asus runs gentoo right now
[08:52] <Dreamer3> Sparhawk_: you have good luck with them all?
[08:52] <Dreamer3> Sparhawk_: would you recommend the more expensive board over the cheap one (asus?)
[08:53] <Sparhawk_> depends on if you want SATA or software RAID
[08:53] <FAST> better:  northwood or prescott ?
[08:53] <Dreamer3> Sparhawk_: hmmm, i just want a fast box that works :)
[08:54] <Dreamer3> Sparhawk_: guess a x-x would work
[08:54] <DaRyN> anyone in here able to help with the root issue?
[08:54] <ChaosZ3RO> okay... I restarted my computer and now I can't get into anything but a terminal. (using bitchx) Says my session lasted less than 10 seconds.
[08:55] <Sparhawk_> does gdm come up?
[08:55] <ChaosZ3RO> yeah, but I can't get into xfce
[08:55] <Sparhawk_> check ~/.Xsession for errors
[08:56] <Sparhawk_> i think
[08:56] <ChaosZ3RO> gonna see if I can get into gnome, brb
[08:56] <randabis> to be honest, if I were upgrading now, I would go for an AMD64 platform over an Athlon XP platform
[08:57] <bitfoo> well of course
[08:58] <randabis> you'll have more upgrade options in the future than if you were to use a dying platform like the socket 462 boards
[08:58] <bitfoo> if i were upgrading now, i would wait for dual core :|
[08:59] <randabis> if you get a socket 939 board you would be ready for when the dual cores come...
[08:59] <randabis> dual core technology needs to mature a bit before I would consider it imho
[08:59] <Sparhawk_> i have an amd64 i love it
[08:59] <Sparhawk_> thought i mostly run 32bit os's :(
[08:59] <bitfoo> is it really that much faster?
[08:59] <bitfoo> i mean what runs at 64bit besides farcry :|
[09:00] <bitfoo> and maybe suse
[09:00] <Sparhawk_> when running gentoo it is
[09:00] <Sparhawk_> kde compiles in like 4 hours
[09:00] <bitfoo> yeah but how often do you compile kde :|
[09:00] <randabis> yes, an integrated memory controller will show great speed benefits
[09:00] <Sparhawk_> i like to break my computers, i recompile all the time
[09:01] <bitfoo> wow you must get no work done lol :|
[09:01] <Dreamer3> Sparhawk_: is ubuntu 64 bit?
[09:01] <Sparhawk_> pretty much
[09:01] <randabis> there is an AMD64 build for ubuntu yes
[09:01] <Sparhawk_> dreamer: yes, most linux distrobutions have x86_64 builds
[09:01] <randabis> it will run the 32 bit build as well too
[09:02] <Dreamer3> randabis: so skip the XP and go straight to amd64? then i have to use newer boards and wonder if their chipsets are suported
[09:02] <Dreamer3> right?
[09:02] <bitfoo> well true
[09:02] <bitfoo> but you are futureproof
[09:02] <FAST> im happy with the intel board/chip i have ... never any problems.     my brother has an amd 2600+ but it only runs at 1.6ghz? maybe a memory speed issue
[09:02] <randabis> Dreamer3, the nforce3 platform for AMD64 is well supported
[09:02] <bitfoo> though xps are cheap as anything :|
[09:02] <randabis> so are via chipsets
[09:02] <Dreamer3> bitfoo: i'd rather it work today than tomorrow :)
[09:02] <Dreamer3> what am i gonna pay to go 64? double?
[09:03] <jdub> not even close to double
[09:03] <Sparhawk_> nforce3 is very well supported in kernel 2.6.8.1 and up
[09:03] <randabis> FAST the 2600+ doesn't mean it runs at 2.6 ghz
[09:03] <randabis> that's just a performance rating AMD gives the processor
[09:03] <bitfoo> it doesnt run at 1.6 either
[09:03] <FAST> randabis, yah  but its supposed to run at like 2.2 or 2.4ghz
[09:03] <bitfoo> 2.0 if memory serves me
[09:03] <AlohaWolf> 2600+ is a 1.9 ghz machine
[09:04] <FAST> hmmm
[09:04] <AlohaWolf> Detected 1913.467 MHz processor.
[09:04] <randabis> the memory should be DDR333 (166mhz)
[09:04] <randabis> if it's running at DDR266 then it will be slower
[09:04] <Dreamer3> Sparhawk_: ok, did you mention what 64 board you have?
[09:05] <Sparhawk_> dreamer: msi k8n neo platinum
[09:05] <FAST> http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/processorsmemory/0,39024015,10001817,00.htm
[09:05] <Sparhawk_> nforce3 250gb chipset, with amd64 3200+
[09:05] <FAST> says 2600+  2.133 ghz
[09:05] <Sparhawk_> FAST: it depends on the core, and the FSB
[09:05] <FAST> hmm
[09:06] <bitfoo> i want to build a cluster of mini itx's :|
[09:06] <bitfoo> but a super awesome one :|
[09:06] <randabis> My 2500+ runs at 2.2 ghz :) it's overclocked to 3200+ though
[09:06] <FAST> anyone think this is a good deal?     http://www.pcclub.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A4838529
[09:07] <randabis> the VIA CPU in mini-itx sucks though
[09:07] <Dreamer3> randabis: well, it's for embedded stuff :)
[09:07] <randabis> yeah
[09:07] <randabis> I realize that
[09:08] <randabis> FAST I don't know...haven't used or priced Intel hardware in a long time
[09:08] <Sparhawk_> FAST: that's the same price newegg has for the same board, probably an ok price, but not a special deal
[09:09] <FAST> i am using a p3 800 / 384MB       ...... maybe time to upgrade... but lack of $$$
[09:09] <randabis> AMD does everything I want to do better than intel ever could
[09:09] <FAST> ok
[09:10] <joh_> hi
[09:10] <joh_> whats happend to ubuntu-calendar-feburary ?
[09:10] <FAST> is newegg the best place to get an idea of prices?  or pricewatch?
[09:10] <flamesrock_> pricewatch is nice
[09:10] <flamesrock_> newegg is starting to suck...
[09:11] <Dreamer3> flamesrock_: really, why?
[09:11] <eyequeue> joh_:  i've been curious about that too
[09:11] <flamesrock_> they've fallen behind
[09:11] <flamesrock_> tigerdirect is much better
[09:11] <Dreamer3> flamesrock_: how so?
[09:11] <flamesrock_> you can find much better prices elsewhere
[09:11] <randabis> yeah newegg's prices aren't nearly as competitive as they used to be
[09:11] <troll_god> anyone know how to change default mixer? from device 0 dummy to device 1 real sound card?
[09:11] <Dreamer3> randabis: hmmm
[09:11] <randabis> and their sales are pretty ridiculous now
[09:12] <Dreamer3> randabis: guess i'm just used to the service
[09:12] <randabis> yeah, they are a good service, no denying that
[09:12] <flamesrock_> its hard to explain. Kind of like they went the way of zellers
[09:12] <Dreamer3> ouch
[09:12] <Dreamer3> 64bit chips $$$
[09:12] <randabis> just the prices aren't as good
[09:13] <Sparhawk_> pricewatch is always the best place to start
[09:13] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: better late than never - current flux desktop  http://interlink.webhop.org/fluxshot.png
[09:13] <randabis> Dreamer3, depends...the cheapest AMD64 chip can be had for like 100 bucks
[09:13] <Dreamer3> gcc isn't twice as fast on a x64, is it? we're just talking more bits, right?
[09:13] <bob2> anyone who says anything will be twice as fast is clueless
[09:13] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: and no, it isn't Debian - I just like the colours ;)
[09:13] <FAST> so socket 939 / amd64 is  probably a good candidate for upgrading then?>
[09:14] <randabis> yes
[09:14] <Sparhawk_> yes
[09:14] <FAST> hmm
[09:14] <Dreamer3> bob2: *laughs*
[09:14] <thoreauputic> note the transparent menus and title bar
[09:14] <Twentyone> hop
[09:14] <Twentyone> 'moin
[09:14] <bitfoo> www.duke.edu/~peg2/desktop.png
[09:14] <bitfoo> :|
[09:14] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: downloading
[09:15] <FAST> bitfoo: what window manager is that
[09:15] <Dreamer3> FAST: gnome *laughs* (looks like it)
[09:15] <FAST> i wish xmms would go to the notification area
[09:16] <bitfoo> gnomeeeessssssss
[09:16] <Dreamer3> bitfoo: how do you use a desktop that bright though?
[09:16] <FAST> i meant theme sorry
[09:16] <randabis> http://img114.exs.cx/img114/8282/newdesktop4hp.jpg
[09:16] <bitfoo> the white is too bright for you?
[09:16] <FAST> your irc font looks like pain to the eyes
[09:16] <randabis> there's my desktop :)
[09:17] <bitfoo> it is a pain on the eyes, but its cool as shit :|
[09:17] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: not me, i think i outgrew flux
[09:18] <FAST> so does 'apt-get update'  fetch an updated list of packages available?
[09:18] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: heh...well I'm still  a baby I guess ;)
[09:18] <randabis> yes
[09:18] <FAST> brushed steel that looks like apple
[09:19] <Dreamer3> randabis: kinda depressing :)
[09:19] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: *laughs*
[09:19] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: just not me anymore :)
[09:19] <randabis> the greys?
[09:19] <FAST> what is a recommended motherboard manufacturer for socket 939
[09:19] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: i like the glitz of xfce :)
[09:19] <randabis> MSI
[09:19] <randabis> Chaintech
[09:19] <randabis> Gigabyte
[09:20] <randabis> others
[09:20] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: fair enough - I like them all in different ways: I just find flux is best for the way I like to work
[09:20] <aToaster> wow, finally got WoW to run on cedega, bit choppy though =/
[09:20] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: maybe the way i work just changed? :)
[09:21] <Sparhawk_> fast: gigabyte, msi, asus, abit, DFI
[09:21] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: yeah, or you had a frontal lobotomy ;)
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[09:21] <Sparhawk_> i still need to find a copy of WoW somewhere
[09:21] <Sparhawk_> no one has it in stock
[09:21] <randabis> Most people are leary of chaintech, but I've heard good things about their nforce4 board on socket 939...of course you'd need a PCI-E video card :/
[09:22] <FAST> what is nforce4
[09:22] <randabis> nvidia's latest chipset that supports PCI-E video cards
[09:22] <FAST> better than agp?
[09:23] <Dreamer3> any cheap dual 64 boards?
[09:23] <Dreamer3> do they do that?
[09:24] <FAST> i want a powermac except i dont have 3 billion dollars
[09:24] <Dreamer3> FAST: only 4k gets youa  nice one
[09:24] <randabis> Dreamer3, you'd have to get an opteron board
[09:24] <Dreamer3> randabis: and that's different?
[09:24] <randabis> yes, it's a server-class processor and board
[09:24] <randabis> much more expensive
[09:25] <randabis> Athlon64s currently don't do multiprocessing
[09:25] <Sparhawk_> FAST: pci-e is the new AGP, it will replace agp and pci in a couple of years
[09:26] <randabis> at present, PCI-E is no better an AGP
[09:26] <FAST> *GOD* they wont ever run out of ideas to get money out of my wallet
[09:26] <randabis> PCI-E is the future though
[09:26] <Dreamer3> FAST: come on
[09:27] <Dreamer3> FAST: just get a p3/900 like me and live with it
[09:27] <Dreamer3> FAST: not super fast, but it works well
[09:27] <FAST> im on p3 / 800
[09:27] <Dreamer3> FAST: and stay awake form linux 4.0 and you should be set
[09:27] <FAST> ;)
[09:27] <Dreamer3> i just get tired of compilling stuff and this laptop HD is slow
[09:27] <FAST> my 128MB dimm died a couple nights ago.... down to 384
[09:27] <thoreauputic> FAST: and of course, run fluxbox *laughs*
[09:28] <FAST> fluxbox?
[09:28] <Dreamer3> FAST: make that xfce :)
[09:28] <Sparhawk_> excpt you can SLI 2 pci-e graphix cards
[09:28] <Sparhawk_> if you want spend $50000 on your computer :)
[09:28] <Sparhawk_> and who doesn't
[09:28] <bitfoo> technically you can do more than 2 :|
[09:28] <bitfoo> but the first boards only do 2 :/
[09:29] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: why?
[09:29] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: my pc in the floor already does that, but i don't use it... and it's only 700mhz :)
[09:29] <Dreamer3> plus i only have one 19" lcd so far
[09:29] <FAST> my mobo has integrated video, but i cant get it to work at the same time with my agp... :(
[09:30] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: you poor chap - my biggest monitor is 17" :(
[09:30] <Dreamer3> FAST: yeah... i've always thought it best to use integrated solutions for that
[09:30] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: sorry :)
[09:30] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: and 56k dialup
[09:30] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: i'm on dial-up too
[09:31] <rempresent> i want a good tutorial on how to use fluxbox, like editing the .conf file so that you can have links and such?  anyone?
[09:31] <thoreauputic> ah, a fellow sufferer ;)
[09:31] <thoreauputic> rempresent: go to fluxbox.org - the docs are excellent
[09:31] <randabis> 3 mbit cable here :/
[09:32] <Dreamer3> :P at randabis
[09:32] <thoreauputic> rempresent: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docbook.php
[09:33] <Dreamer3> well, maybe next year i get a new pc
[09:33] <randabis> yuck :p
[09:33] <Dreamer3> randabis: what?
[09:33] <randabis> strokes even
[09:33] <Dreamer3> randabis: it's dual head
[09:34] <Dreamer3> randabis: and powers 0 heads currently
[09:34] <randabis> mine's dual head too :)
[09:34] <randabis> I just didn't like the mx440 nvidia cards :p
[09:35] <Dreamer3> randabis: ah... seemed to do it's thing
[09:35] <Dreamer3> randabis: worked well at the time
[09:35] <randabis> well I demand more out of my cards, that's all
[09:35] <Dreamer3> and it costs $0 to use it :)
[09:35] <Dreamer3> i get 400fps glxgears from my lappy
[09:35] <Dreamer3> i'm sure nvidia can top that
[09:35] <randabis> haha
[09:36] <randabis> my laptop gets like 90 because I can't get DRI with an SMI chipset
[09:36] <randabis> old as dirt hehe
[09:36] <Dreamer3> yeah, x is finally starting with DRI with me without freezing now
[09:36] <randabis> Get like 6-7000 on here though
[09:36] <Dreamer3> it's been a long hard road :)
[09:37] <randabis> I don't really need it now since I don't game too much anymore *shrugs* I used to game a lot more when I used windows
[09:37] <Dreamer3> yeah, windows does that
[09:37] <Dreamer3> all that non-productive software
[09:38] <FAST> socket 939 amd64 3000+  runs at  1.8ghz?      hard to compare how fast that is to other stuff
[09:38] <randabis> I do a little bit of gaming on this box with ubuntu, but not nearly as much...partially because I can't get cedega to work correctly
[09:38] <randabis> FAST it's roughly equivalent to a 3 GHZ Pentium 4
[09:39] <thoreauputic> well, time to go - evening/morning/afternoon all!
[09:39] <FAST> and a lot cheaper?
[09:39] <randabis> probably faster in a lot of things really
[09:39] <daniels> glxgears is not a benchmark
[09:39] <randabis> sure
[09:39] <FAST> or similarly priced
[09:39] <randabis> Yeah I know daniels :)
[09:39] <FAST> hmmm
[09:39] <rempresent> what's a good program for repartitioning hard drives for ubuntu
[09:39] <Dreamer3> daniels: if it is then randabis's system is several orders of mangnitude faster than mine :)
[09:40] <Dreamer3> rempresent: fdisk
[09:40] <daniels> Dreamer3: luckily, it's not
[09:40] <FAST> i remember when the athlon chips were getting a lot of backlash cause they were burning up like crazy
[09:40] <Dreamer3> cfdisk?
[09:40] <FAST> on fire
[09:40] <randabis> FAST times have changed
[09:40] <Dreamer3> FAST: i can't recall that
[09:40] <randabis> Pentiums run hotter than Athlon64s
[09:41] <randabis> especially the Prescott core pentium 4s
[09:41] <Dreamer3> daniels: are you the leader of ubuntu?
[09:41] <Dreamer3> daniels: i see your name a lot on the forums
[09:41] <daniels> nope, I'm just a grunt
[09:42] <Dreamer3> *laughs*
[09:42] <Dreamer3> are you the guy on the wallpaper? :)
[09:42] <daniels> not I
[09:42] <Dreamer3> *laughs*
[09:43] <Dreamer3> i'm thinking maybe i should just download the CD instead of waiting for the one i ordered from ebay
[09:45] <Dreamer3> wow, it got quiet
[09:45] <Dreamer3> daniels: do you usually scare away everyone
[09:45] <nevyn> he is pretty scary
[09:46] <Dreamer3> indeed
[09:46] <nevyn> Dreamer3: ordered from ebay?
[09:46] <Dreamer3> nevyn: yeah, for 1.99
[09:46] <Xirdneh> hi there, i was instaling MPlayer and i had to instal the zlib1g 1.1.4, did it but result that 170 packages are broken, i cheked synaptic and there are tow zlib1g, should i just erase the older one?
[09:46] <nevyn> Dreamer3: shipit.ubuntulinux.org
[09:47] <nevyn> free.. and ubuntu pays the shipping.
[09:47] <Dreamer3> nevyn: yeah, but i already ordered it
[09:47] <Vjaz> Does anyone know why Human isn't the default icon theme in Ubuntu, or is it new in Hoary?
[09:47] <Dreamer3> the process sounded like it might take a while on ubuntus site
[09:48] <randabis> yeah for some people it has taken a few months
[09:49] <Dreamer3> randabis: i didn't want that :)
[09:49] <Dreamer3> oh well
[09:49] <Dreamer3> i'm going to have to download it if i don't see the CD this week
[09:49] <Dreamer3> but i hope it's been shipped and it's just too trivial to e-mail me first
[09:50] <Xirdneh> anyone?. :S
[09:50] <Dreamer3> Xirdneh: no
[09:50] <Xirdneh> well...
[09:50] <rempresent> what kernel should i use for an athlon xp 3000
[09:51] <Dreamer3> rempresent: what do you mean?
[09:52] <rempresent> like, is there a special type that i download.. like power pc processors are ppc.. what are athlons
[09:52] <Dreamer3> i686?
[09:52] <nevyn> rempresent: athlons are ia32
[09:52] <nevyn> well they're really -K7 but ubuntu buy the debian-devel propaganda on subarchs
[09:53] <nevyn> so ia32 is all they compile
[09:53] <Dreamer3> well, night
[09:53] <Agrajag> huh?
[09:53] <Agrajag> There's a k7 kernel too
[09:53] <randabis> rempresent, use the k7 kernels
[09:53] <nevyn> oh I thought you ment like the whole distro.
[09:54] <randabis> lol
[09:54] <nevyn> compiliing the whole distro for K7 with 3dnow would be a win
[09:54] <rempresent> ok, i am at the gentoo site right now, which one do i pick...
[09:54] <nevyn> particularly for gcc, glib mozilla openoffice gzip and totem
[09:54] <rempresent> http://torrents.gentoo.org/
[09:54] <randabis> go to #gentoo
[09:55] <randabis> this is ubuntu support, not gentoo
[09:55] <rempresent> i want to start fresh and correctly, especially when it comes to the proper distro
[09:55] <rempresent> and there are memory problems with different types of kernels
[09:55] <nevyn> gentoo is not the answer.
[09:55] <randabis> gentoo is a great distro, but definitely not for beginners
[09:56] <rempresent> i want to start with a stripped down distro so i can learn off that one and butcher it rather than messing with my ubuntu distro
[09:56] <rempresent> i know a little flux, and i get around with apt alright
[09:56] <rempresent> it's debian based right?
[09:56] <randabis> no!
[09:56] <randabis> it's source-based
[09:56] <az[a] zel> damn, the linux-wlan-ng package isn't installed on the live cd
[09:56] <Agrajag> ubuntu is
[09:56] <Agrajag> gentoo is based on watching gcc output for hours on end
[09:56] <az[a] zel> it's *impossible* to get the DWL-122 USB wireless networking device to work
[09:56] <rempresent> so i need to compile everything
[09:57] <Agrajag> yes
[09:57] <randabis> gentoo is source-based, ubuntu is debian-based
[09:57] <rempresent> you can still get apt for it and use that right
[09:57] <randabis> gentoo does make the compile process rather simple though
[09:57] <randabis> it uses a package system called portage that handles all the source code and compiling stuff
[09:57] <rempresent> alright, well, there are people with pimped out screens and they all use gentoo... i want a pimped out screen
[09:57] <Agrajag> rempresent: I doubt it's well-supported if it even works
[09:58] <rempresent> start with flux, then with other widgets and such
[09:58] <Einzelganger> How do you add a network-printer in gnome? I can print just fine with "lp -h <ipaddr> <file>", but if I add a printer with gnome-cups-add, after the ip-address, it asks for the printer-driver (why ?), and wheter I supply the real printer, or just generic postscript, it doesn't work
[09:58] <Agrajag> rempresent: the distro dies not matter as far as useless desktop eyecandy goes
[09:58] <randabis> you can install flux in ubuntu... :p
[09:58] <Dreamer3_> rempresent: i agree
[09:58] <rempresent> agrajag:  i realize..
[09:58] <Agrajag> s/dies/does/
[09:58] <Dreamer3_> rempresent: debian can look just like gentoo :)
[09:58] <rempresent> ok... well, what is a stripped down debian-based distro
[09:58] <Dreamer3_> rempresent: and faster (you don't have to compile world)
[09:58] <rempresent> i like ubuntu
[09:59] <rempresent> that is a fact, but i am going to branch out
[09:59] <Dreamer3_> rempresent: why?
[09:59] <randabis> ubuntu is pretty lean
[09:59] <randabis> you could try debian sarge
[09:59] <Agrajag> you don't get much more stripped-down than debian itself
[09:59] <rempresent> i think gnome is chuggy
[09:59] <randabis> then don't use gnome
[10:00] <rempresent> i know, using a different session works alright, but I am going to wipe out my ubuntu and start from scratch
[10:00] <Infinitus> anybody here compared arch linux to ubuntu?
[10:00] <rempresent> i am going to reinstall that is for sure
[10:00] <DaRyN> does anyone know why i can not log in as root?
[10:00] <rempresent> i do like how ubuntu was easier to install than winders
[10:00] <GammaRay> DaRyN: root does not have a password set, use sudo
[10:00] <randabis> DaRyN, because root is disabled by default
[10:00] <DaRyN> yeah i did that whole thing
[10:01] <rempresent> hold on, let me get you an example.
[10:01] <DaRyN> but i can not create any directories  with my log on
[10:01] <rempresent> screenshot
[10:01] <DaRyN> it tells me oermission bedied
[10:01] <DaRyN> permission
[10:01] <GammaRay> denied?
[10:01] <randabis> sudo mkdir /foo
[10:02] <DaRyN> yeah, and then if i try set the proprties it tells me i can not
[10:02] <randabis> you shouldn't need to be a sudoer to make directories in /home though
[10:02] <randabis> where are you trying to set the properties?
[10:02] <GammaRay> I actually have come to like using sudo instead of su, even on my mdk box.
[10:02] <GammaRay> DaRyN: nautilus?
[10:03] <randabis> sudo adds security :)
[10:03] <rempresent> http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=89145899840881173b6626&p=screen
[10:03] <DaRyN> GammaRay: terminal
[10:03] <GammaRay> DaRyN: sudo chmod?
[10:03] <randabis> what commands are you using?
[10:03] <rempresent> there this dude has a mandrake distro, but his desktop is tight , what applications would i need to learn.. except those at the bottom.
[10:04] <DaRyN> making the folder is not an issue
[10:04] <DaRyN> just when i want to set permissions
[10:04] <randabis> chmod doesn't make folders
[10:04] <randabis> it changes the permission on folders
[10:05] <randabis> or files
[10:05] <DaRyN> it tells me i can't change them as I am not the owner
[10:05] <DaRyN> chmod?
[10:05] <DaRyN> ahhh
[10:05] <DaRyN> thx
[10:05] <randabis> sudo chmod 777 will change the permissions to all all users access and the ability to change the folder
[10:06] <GammaRay> DaRyN: they are owned by root, so you need to use sudo to change them, or make them owned by your user
[10:06] <GammaRay> randabis: ewww
[10:06] <randabis> if you want to change the owner of a file/folder use chown
[10:06] <randabis> GammaRay, what?
[10:06] <scizzo> rempresent: that is mostly desklets
[10:06] <GammaRay> 777
[10:06] <FAST> what does it mean to type     ' ./program  '  instead of just 'program'  to run an executable
[10:07] <GammaRay> FAST: means . is not in your $PATH
[10:07] <rempresent> scizzo:  so i should learn how to use desklets
[10:07] <rempresent> scizzo:  then i can be tricked out
[10:08] <GammaRay> FAST: so you need to specify the path to the executable
[10:08] <randabis> gdesklets to be more specific
[10:08] <FAST> ok, so  if current directory has the executable,  the   '  ./  '  tells it to run whats in that directory?
[10:08] <Infinitus> when i type sudo command i get a prompt for a password and when i put in the root password i get an error message.
[10:08] <DaRyN> thx for the help, seems to be on the right track, let me try play a little more
[10:08] <Infinitus> what's up with that?
[10:08] <randabis> Infinitus, use your USER password
[10:08] <GammaRay> FAST: correct; ../ would be the parent dir
[10:08] <Infinitus> ok.
[10:08] <FAST> GammaRay, okie doke
[10:09] <randabis> root shouldn't even be enabled
[10:09] <scizzo> rempresent: g-desklets
[10:09] <scizzo> rempresent: and a fast computer
[10:09] <FAST> did a quick hello world    hello.c  and compiled it but had to figure out that   ./  business first :X
[10:10] <scizzo> rempresent: g-desklets has AFAIK been using a lot of the resources on a computer
[10:10] <scizzo> rempresent: http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/index.php
[10:10] <Haukkari> Has anyone else had problems with Cedega in Ubuntu?
[10:10] <Haukkari> Mine refuses to work. :)
[10:10] <Haukkari> 4.0
[10:10] <GammaRay> FAST: if you do something like export PATH=$PATH:. you can just type the name.
[10:10] <randabis> yes I do Haukkari 4.2 I have trouble installing anything with it
[10:11] <Haukkari> randabis: weird
[10:11] <randabis> errors with MS Installer
[10:11] <rempresent> Thanks everyone!
[10:11] <Haukkari> randabis: I have stuff installed on my Windows disk but stuff still won't work
[10:11] <randabis> Haukkari, I believe that won't work...you have to have a "fake windows" install where it stores stuff
[10:12] <GammaRay> FAST: that appends . on the search path for executables
[10:12] <Ng> but that's not a very good idea
[10:12] <FAST> i gotcha
[10:15] <rempresent> how do i turn off my computer... is it killall -halt
[10:15] <rempresent> somthing like that...
[10:15] <GammaRay> Ng: hmmm?
[10:15] <rempresent> where the computer totally turns itself off.
[10:15] <Agrajag> sudo shutdown -h now
[10:16] <GammaRay> Ng: it's not a good idea to prepend.. nothing wrong w/ appending
[10:16] <FAST> are there any nice IDEs for java(etc..)    or is emacs pretty much the popular one
[10:19] <randabis> I just press the power button to turn it off...lol
[10:19] <Ng> GammaRay: I reckon generally it's better to avoid both. appending is clearly safer, but still it opens you up to running something you didn't intend to. I like the explicitness of having to do ./ basically ;)
[10:19] <GammaRay> FAST: anjuta
[10:22] <DaRyN> og, i have set aLL premissions, Read, Write AND execute on all 3 levels, yet i can not WRITE files to my share, but I can see them from windows, any ideas?
[10:23] <randabis> it the share ntfs?
[10:23] <DaRyN> it's just a plain old share
[10:23] <DaRyN> i dunno
[10:23] <DaRyN> but i can access and browse it
[10:24] <GammaRay> randabis: probably samba
[10:24] <DaRyN> ermm yeah
[10:24] <GammaRay> DaRyN: try the -R option for chmod
[10:24] <randabis> are you trying to write to the share from windows?
[10:24] <az[a] zel> FAST, eclipse
[10:24] <DaRyN> how can i change the file group?
[10:24] <randabis> chgrp
[10:25] <GammaRay> or chown user.group for a 2-in-1
[10:25] <randabis> yeah
[10:26] <Infinitus> I'm thinking of installing ubuntu.
[10:26] <Infinitus> can anybody give me a reason why I should?
[10:27] <Ng> because it rocks! :)
[10:27] <Infinitus> Is it better than Arch Linux?
[10:27] <Infinitus> How do I update the kernel in ubuntu?
[10:27] <Ng> if you're not sure, try the live CD, play with it for a while and see what you like about it
[10:27] <randabis> there is no "better"
[10:27] <Ng> I've never used Arch
[10:27] <Infinitus> arch is nice.
[10:27] <randabis> Infinitus, using apt is the easiest way
[10:28] <randabis> you can also compile your own if you wish
[10:28] <Infinitus> what's the command to do it with apt?
[10:28] <randabis> apt-get install packagenameofkernel
[10:29] <Infinitus> Hrm well I suppose if I don't like ubuntu I can always go back to arch.
[10:29] <Infinitus> Arch is nice.
[10:29] <Infinitus> But I'm looking for a change.
[10:29] <GammaRay> Infinitus: ubuntu is not an upgrade roller coaster though, you have to wait for security updates or new versions of the distro.. well don't have to, you *can* use unstable if you want.
[10:30] <randabis> unstable simply means that the packages are not static..meaning they are updated often...a lot of times they receive daily updates
[10:30] <randabis> unstable becomes stable in 6 month cycles
[10:31] <GammaRay> aka, we follow the mandrake cycle
[10:31] <randabis> each release has a release name...current stable ubuntu is called warty
[10:31] <randabis> unstable is hoary
[10:31] <GammaRay> (except the naming)
[10:32] <GammaRay> (by we I mean other people (-:)
[10:32] <Infinitus> how secure is ubuntu?
[10:33] <Infinitus> meaning by default.
[10:33] <GammaRay> no ports open by default to the net
[10:33] <Ng> a default install has zero ports listening for remote connections
[10:33] <Ng> so it's safe on a network
[10:33] <rubenv> Infinitus: best you can find ;)
[10:33] <Infinitus> cool.
[10:33] <randabis> it's not any less secure than other distros
[10:33] <Infinitus> :)
[10:33] <Infinitus> I'm going to do it.
[10:33] <Infinitus> I'm going to stay up all night and play on my new distro.
[10:34] <randabis> lol
[10:34] <randabis> It gets even more fun with hoary :)
[10:34] <ChaosZ3RO> Okay, I can't get back into anything but a terminal. It says something about xserver being already open. I restarted a few times, and it still doesn't let me into xfce or gnome. Any ideas? :S
[10:34] <pybe-lappy> ChaosZ3RO: does alt+f7 do anything?
[10:34] <Infinitus> I'm downloading the iso for ubuntu
[10:35] <Infinitus> I hope it's good.
[10:35] <ChaosZ3RO> I'll write that down. I'm on windows right now
[10:35] <DaRyN> i want to setp up a folder that i can share ie, not the home folder
[10:35] <pybe-lappy> ChaosZ3RO: is it a fresh install?
[10:35] <ChaosZ3RO> Installed a couple days ago
[10:35] <pybe-lappy> ChaosZ3RO: warty or hoary
[10:35] <ChaosZ3RO> it was working fine though, then I restarted and that happened
[10:36] <ChaosZ3RO> warty
[10:36] <pybe-lappy> strange
[10:37] <ChaosZ3RO> finally got sound working tonight and then that happened
[10:37] <ChaosZ3RO> any other ideas?
[10:38] <DaRyN> is there like a Linux for beginners #??
[10:38] <julio> DaRyN.......there is. sort of.
[10:38] <DaRyN> and that would be??
[10:38] <rubenv> ubuntu!
[10:38] <rubenv> my mum uses ubuntu
[10:38] <julio> althought i'd to agree with rubenv.
[10:38] <DaRyN> apart from rtfm
[10:39] <ChaosZ3RO> any other ideas?
[10:39] <rubenv> you can't be more beginner then my mum
[10:39] <julio> i'd say xandros.
[10:39] <ChaosZ3RO> for my problem  <_>
[10:39] <rubenv> julio: there's starting the right way and starting the easy way
[10:39] <rubenv> ubuntu has em both :)
[10:39] <Infinitus> I'm hungry.
[10:39] <julio> although "beginner" distros are good in the beginning. one starts to grow out of them.
[10:39] <julio> i did.
[10:40] <rubenv> yeah, that's why i don't advocate em
[10:40] <DaRyN> yeah but rubenv, I need to share a folder that i can access from my windows machine and not the home dir, i created another that I want to use for backups
[10:40] <julio> DaRyN....you'd have to make a FAT32 partiton.
[10:40] <julio> that way windows can see it.
[10:40] <DaRyN> i can see my home dir thowe
[10:40] <rubenv> DaRyN: couple of clicks in ubuntu hoary, especially if you look on the wiki for a while
[10:40] <rubenv> but my shower is calling me
[10:41] <DaRyN> i can navigate my home dir
[10:41] <DaRyN> thx rubenv
[10:41] <DaRyN> will look no wnow
[10:41] <rubenv> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[10:41] <rubenv> this might be of help too
[10:42] <ChaosZ3RO> what does alt f7 do?
[10:44] <necromancer_> hi
[10:46] <randabis-laptop> ahh...good ol' laptop
[10:49] <liquidboy> how do i mount a reiser fs on ubuntu (the reiser fs is on /dev/hdb5)
[10:50] <ChaosZ3RO> I get this when I try to log into xfce: X server already running on display : 0
[10:50] <ChaosZ3RO> xfce4-session: unable to access file /home/ben/.ICEauthority: Permission Denied
[10:51] <Zindar> liquidboy: mount /dev/hdb5 /mountpoint
[10:51] <randabis-laptop> liquidboy, mount -t reiserfs /dev/hdb5 /path/to/mountpoint
[10:51] <ChaosZ3RO> anyone have any ideas on what I should do?
[10:52] <randabis-laptop> you could try CTRL ALT BACKSPACE Chaos
[10:52] <dread65> hey guys how do i make it so gnome doesnt keep loading stuff that i had the last time i logged in
[10:52] <dread65> its really annoyin
[10:52] <dread65> g
[10:53] <Lathiat> dread65: save the session when you logout
[10:53] <Lathiat> dread65: with nothing loaded
[10:53] <dread65> is that the only way
[10:53] <randabis-laptop> no
[10:53] <Lathiat> you can cahnge your session in the sessions preferences as well, but thats probably the easiest way
[10:53] <randabis-laptop> you can tell it not to save your session
[10:53] <liquidboy> randabis-laptop, i did that and i got "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb5,
[10:53] <liquidboy>        or too many mounted file systems
[10:53] <liquidboy> "
[10:53] <dread65> randabis-laptop:  where
[10:54] <randabis-laptop> liquidboy, try the way Zindar suggested then
[10:54] <randabis-laptop> mount /dev/hdb5 /mountpoint
[10:54] <dread65> i dont see anywhere in the "sessions" area where i can change this
[10:54] <Lathiat> dread65: warty or hoary?
[10:54] <dread65> warty
[10:54] <liquidboy> randabis-laptop, same result
[10:55] <randabis-laptop> maybe it's a bad partition...dunno
[10:55] <Lathiat> dread65: uh i cant remember which menu its in, under on eof the menus in the top left of your screen theres a 'Preferences', select Sessions under that
[10:55] <dread65> Lathiat: yeah i am looking at that
[10:55] <liquidboy> randabis-laptop, i messed with the paritions, and stuffed up my other linux partition, so that the mount point wasn't "/", i cant boot into it anymore, im hoping to be able to retrieve files from it
[10:55] <dread65> i dont see an option to turn it off
[10:56] <ChaosZ3RO> leave
[11:02] <dread65> hey
[11:02] <dread65> what do i need to install Mplayer
[11:02] <dread65> i keep getting an error saying i cant install it
[11:03] <dread65> thru Snaptic
[11:03] <dread65> what repo do i need to add thanks
[11:04] <PWM> should I use a 686 kernel on my centrino laptop?
[11:04] <dread65> PWM: i did
[11:04] <PWM> ok...
[11:05] <PWM> I just didn't know what to do... I mean it's a centrino but I "think" it's based on a P3, so the 686 should work :)
[11:12] <JoaoMarcus> Is there any way to enable wireless for Ubuntu without resorting to recompiling the kernel with CONFIG_NET_RADIO?
[11:16] <PWM> I just installed hoary, but when I type "startx" it says "-bash: startx: command not found"... can anyone help? :)
[11:16] <jcoxon77> JoaoMarcus: i'm quite sure that wireless is already compiled in to the ubuntu standard kernels
[11:17] <jcoxon77> JoaoMarcus: what wireless card are you trying to use?
[11:18] <dread65> hey guys waht do i need to just scan for wireless networks around me
[11:18] <JoaoMarcus> A Prism2.5 based card (D-Link somenumber Rev. e)
[11:19] <TreadingSoftl1> Hi I'm trying to print truetype fonts in ghostscript. I've installed the fonts in my linux system's .../fonts directory in a myfonts folder, and added this folder to /etc/fonts/local.conf. I've created symlinks to them in the .../ghostscript/fonts directory. Fonts like "Palatino Linotype" have entries in /etc/fonts/Fontmap" like "Palatino-Linotype". However, when I print to PDF from KWord (choosing to embed the entire font), Palatino Linotype emerg
[11:20] <JoaoMarcus> jcoxon77: IMHO wireless networking should be at least compiled as a kernel module, many people are using it
[11:21] <JoaoMarcus> but I'll just get the kernel source deb and recompile it, I wanted to include inotify anyway
[11:22] <ironwolf> JoaoMarcus: I have a wireless PRISM based card running 802.11G under ubuntu without having to do anything but network setup
[11:22] <JoaoMarcus> ironwolf: Mine doesn't work without hostap and its firmware
[11:23] <ironwolf> hostap?
[11:23] <PWM> I just installed hoary, but when I type "startx" it says "-bash: startx: command not found"... can anyone help?
[11:23] <ironwolf> JoaoMarcus: first, Warty or Hoary? and is it a PCMCIA card?
[11:24] <JoaoMarcus> Warty
[11:24] <JoaoMarcus> It's a PCI card
[11:24] <ironwolf> what's hostap?
[11:25] <JoaoMarcus> DWL-520 rev. e
[11:25] <ironwolf> JoaoMarcus: what kernel are you running?
[11:25] <JoaoMarcus> hostap is a driver for Prism 2/2.5/3, I'm running 2.6.8
[11:26] <jcoxon77> JoaoMarcus: does your card work with wlan-ng
[11:26] <jcoxon77> JoaoMarcus: usually prism's do
[11:26] <JoaoMarcus> not really, I need hostap to load its firmware
[11:27] <jcoxon77> JoaoMarcus: okay, cause all that is need usually is for wlan-ng software to be installed
[11:28] <ironwolf> JoaoMarkcus: I don't even have wlan-ng installed. Hmmm....
[11:28] <jcoxon77> JoaoMarcus: perhaps you should suggest that hostap is included? i'm not sure how tho
[11:28] <ironwolf> JoaoMarcus: If it were me?  I'd try hoary, but I'm already running hoary....
[11:29] <ironwolf> JoaoMarcus: upgrading to hoary is probably less painful short term than custom kerneling your system.
[11:29] <Infinitus> whatis hoary
[11:29] <Infinitus> ?
[11:29] <Ng> the next release of ubuntu
[11:29] <Ng> in development at the moment
[11:29] <Infinitus> oh I see.
[11:29] <ironwolf> Warty= Stable released ubuntu, Hoary= development release *very stable for my purposes*
[11:30] <Infinitus> If I don't like ubuntu I'll reinstall Arch.
[11:30] <ironwolf> Infinitus: and it needs testing if your feeling brave. :)
[11:30] <JoaoMarcus> I tried Mepis
[11:30] <ironwolf> Mepis?
[11:30] <Infinitus> But i'm going to give ubuntu a fair shot.
[11:30] <JoaoMarcus> Gave up because every single kernel image would kernel-panic
[11:31] <JoaoMarcus> (except for the default one)
[11:31] <Infinitus> JoaoMarcus, bummer.
[11:31] <Infinitus> A lot of distros out there are total garbage.
[11:31] <Infinitus> it's hard to find a good distro.
[11:31] <JoaoMarcus> Mepis is pretty cool indeed, very easy to install
[11:31] <Infinitus> If ubuntu doesn't work to great for me i'm just going to reinstall Arch.
[11:32] <ironwolf> Infinitus: how's it working so far?
[11:32] <JoaoMarcus> Ubuntu worked great for me, just like other distros I tried it wouldn't work with my wireless card at first (I HAVE firmware-less cards)
[11:32] <JoaoMarcus> HAVE -> HATE
[11:33] <ironwolf> JoaoMarcus: the firmware might be in Universe or Multiverse
[11:33] <JoaoMarcus> well I can't d/l or use synaptic because I can't connect to the Internet :P
[11:33] <JoaoMarcus> (i'm at work now)
[11:36] <ironwolf> JoaoMarcus: looks like hostap-utils is in Universe.  Probably license issues with the firmware it isn't in main or installed by default would be my guess.
[11:37] <Infinitus> So far i haven't downloaded ubuntu yet.
[11:37] <Infinitus> it should be fine though.
[11:38] <Infinitus> I'll see how I like having ubuntu compared to Arch linux.
[11:38] <ironwolf> Infinitus: if you've used an apt based linux, you'll be fine.  Even if you haven't. Ubuntu is very nice.
[11:39] <JoaoMarcus> yeah I love Google: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1615.html
[11:42] <liquidboy> is there any way to access a partition where i stuffed it up so it cant boot?
[11:42] <ironwolf> liquidboy: livecd?
[11:43] <Infinitus> ubuntu better be fun or I'm going to breakdance fight whoever.
[11:43] <ironwolf> lol
[11:43] <Infinitus> :)
[11:43] <ironwolf> off to bed for me.
[11:43] <liquidboy> ironwolf, ive installed another ubuntu partition, so yea, but i could also do it from ab ubuntu install
[11:44] <liquidboy> ironwolf, what i did was in mandrake 9 (i used tahat to change the partitios) i made a new partition and set the mount point to "/", and the main ubuntu partition had no mount point, then i wrote it, then i changed it back, but it was already stuffed
[11:44] <liquidboy> *phew*
[11:44] <liquidboy> sorry that was long P
[11:44] <liquidboy> *:P
[11:45] <JoaoMarcus> Any idea why when I first installed Ubuntu it would't scan my windows network for computers?
[11:45] <liquidboy> oh ironwolf has gone :( - does anyone else have any ideas?
[11:51] <liquidboy> anyone?
[11:54] <odyssey> JoaoMarcus, have installed samba or set the workgroup name most likely
[11:54] <JoaoMarcus> odyssey: done that
[11:57] <odyssey> you using warty?
[11:58] <JoaoMarcus> yup
[11:59] <odyssey> firewall?
[11:59] <JoaoMarcus> none...
[12:00] <JoaoMarcus> that doesn't seem to be a problem with Ubuntu, I had such problem with Debian too
[12:00] <odyssey> should have worked then..
[12:00] <odyssey> its working now?
[12:02] <JoaoMarcus> No :-(
[12:03] <odyssey> hmmm gnomevfs installed?
[12:05] <odyssey> you looked at the wiki? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[12:05] <odyssey> it might offer some clues
[12:05] <srid> does the 'gamin' in hoary use 'inotify' of linux kernel or just FAM?
[12:05] <jdub> fam isn't in the kernel
[12:05] <jdub> gamin and fam use dnotify
[12:05] <jdub> only gamin uses inotify
[12:06] <srid> jdub, i mean by 'default' what does it use?
[12:06] <srid> Gamin is a file and directory monitoring system defined to be
[12:06] <srid> a subset of the FAM (File Alteration Monitor) system.
[12:06] <srid> that is in the README
[12:06] <mjr> yep
[12:06] <srid> i saw in website .. ./configure --enable-inotify .. enables inotify in gamin
[12:07] <mjr> gamin is a reimplementation of (certain parts of) fam
[12:07] <srid> is that configure option used for making this deb?
[12:07] <jdub> srid: if inotify is enabled in the kernel, our gamin will use inotify
[12:07] <jdub> srid: no, it's enabled by default
[12:07] <srid> jdub, i am using hoary which has inotify and I have /dev/inotify too
[12:07] <srid> ok
[12:07] <srid> jdub, i have one question about this gamin
[12:07] <srid> can I monitor 'any' file a filesystem rather than monitoring specific file?
[12:08] <srid> *file in a
[12:08] <jdub> you can monitor files or directories
[12:08] <jdub> you cannot monitor an entire filesystem
[12:08] <srid> s/filesystem/partitionofHD
[12:08] <srid> jdub, then how does Beagle gets notified of a change in some file?
[12:09] <srid> (beagle uses inotify)
[12:09] <jdub> srid: beagle uses inotify directly on particular folders
[12:09] <srid> jdub, doesn't it monitory 'every' file?
[12:09] <srid> *monitor
[12:10] <srid> jdub, can i give a hint about what those folders are?
[12:10] <srid> s/i/you
[12:13] <EvolutionR> Everytime I boot my Hoary, there two erro dialog window. 1) Error - Missing command to run.  2) Insufficient privileges - You must have root user privileges to use Firestarter. Please help!
[12:13] <srid> jdub,
[12:17] <sladen> EvolutionR: how are you trying to start firestarter?
[12:18] <tuxJr_14_> hi
[12:19] <EvolutionR> sladen: I already remove the from gnome session startup, but it still come out
[12:19] <pavkonti> where is httpd.conf of apache2 server in ubuntu?
[12:20] <sladen> EvolutionR: grep -ri firestarter ~
[12:20] <srid> Starting with release 0.0.21, gamin comes with Python bindings. But I cannot find the python bindings with Ubuntu 'gamin'
[12:20] <weblin> how do I get gnome to read my path from /etc/profile? if I try to launch eclipse from it's executable, It says java isn't in path. but i've added it to the $PATH in /etc/profile
[12:23] <EvolutionR> sladen: http://pastebin.arslinux.com/1057
[12:24] <StackGuard> hi there...
[12:26] <StackGuard> does anyone have an idea, why my ubuntu instalation freezes at 95% when installing the base system? is it a known issue or not really?
[12:26] <thenuke> Might the medium be OK?
[12:27] <Dreamer3_> hmmmmmmmm
[12:27] <Dreamer3_> what command do i run to put a system to sleep using acpi?
[12:28] <StackGuard> thenuke: yes... checked the md5 of the iso, recorded 3cds on 3 diferent machine, just in case..
[12:30] <EvolutionR> who's using debian 3.0? woody? the installation same as ubuntu?
[12:30] <EvolutionR> debian 3.0 woody using 2.4.18?
[12:31] <Lathiat> EvolutionR: the ubuntu installer is based off the debian sarge installer
[12:31] <EvolutionR> meaning to say debian installing procedure same as ubuntu?
[12:31] <i386> hmm
[12:32] <Jaia> Quick question: Can I install ubuntu using the live-cd ?
[12:32] <Jaia> Or do I need to download the regular cd for that ?
[12:32] <i386> does the ubuntu ppc kernels contain that patch to ignore bad memory on the boot args?
[12:32] <terry_> Ubuntu doesnt have wine in the repository??
[12:32] <KlaasVaag> terry_: it does..
[12:32] <Dreamer3_> what command do i run to put a system to sleep using acpi?
[12:33] <KlaasVaag> at least in universe repositories it does
[12:33] <terry_> In amd64??
[12:33] <KlaasVaag> terry_: i dont know about that
[12:33] <terry_> KlaasVaag, it doesnt look like it
[12:33] <KlaasVaag> you have the universe repos enabled?
[12:33] <terry_> KlaasVaag yes
[12:33] <StackGuard> whelll
[12:33] <StackGuard> here goes another
[12:34] <StackGuard> cya
[12:34] <terry_> I am running hoary too
[12:34] <srid> 'apt-get remove gamin' asks to remove 114 (including abiword, gnome apps) packages!!!
[12:34] <KlaasVaag> terry_: ok.. then i do not know.. for me it is in the reps
[12:34] <srid> just now I installed 'gamin'
[12:34] <srid> i don't think any other package depends on it!!
[12:35] <terry_> KlaasVaag, and the package is called wine.  I found wine docs lol, but no wine
[12:35] <Jaia> Nobody feels like answering my question ? :(
[12:35] <terry_> Guess its not ready for the 64bit userland yet
[12:35] <mjr> and it probably won't be
[12:36] <terry_> mjr why??
[12:36] <mjr> the wine folk seemed to have the stance that it's best to run wine in 32-bit mode and not do the necessary translation stuff in wine
[12:36] <Jaia> Can I install ubuntu using the live-cd or not ?
[12:36] <terry_> mjr, I dont mind running it in 32-bit mode
[12:36] <mjr> I tend to agree, since the kernel does that already, but of course that'd require multiarch suppor
[12:36] <mjr> t
[12:37] <terry_> Ubuntu has multiarch support yes??
[12:37] <mjr> or major kludging
[12:37] <mjr> no, it hasn't, Ubuntu has some major kludging for Openoffice.org :)
[12:37] <Hwolf> mrj: what's wrong with OO?
[12:37] <mjr> Hwolf, nothing
[12:37] <terry_> define cludging
[12:37] <Jaia> God damn you nerds. I'm trying to convert to the darn linux religion here, and you won't even preach to me.
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[12:37] <terry_> kludging
[12:38] <terry_> Linux isnt for everyone Jaia, you either love it or hate it
[12:38] <terry_> you will know almost instantly
[12:38] <Jaia> I'm merely asking...
[12:38] <terry_> I did
[12:38] <Jaia> Can I install ubuntu using the live-cd or not ?
[12:38] <Neill_> no
[12:38] <terry_> Jaia you can install gentoo from the Ubuntu Livecd
[12:38] <JoaoMarcus> terry_: http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=*&Query=kludge
[12:38] <Jaia> Ok, thank you. That's all I wanted to know. I'll go download the install cd now then.
[12:39] <terry_> I dont know how, but I know you can
[12:39] <mjr> well, basically just some separate 32-bit libs in lib32, and the oo.o package compiled against them
[12:39] <Hwolf> Damn. I can't log in to gmail on thunderbird anymore.
[12:39] <mjr> if you need to run wine on your amd64 box, the easiest way is probably to set up a 32-bit chroot environment
[12:39] <mjr> and install it there
[12:39] <odyssey> Hwolf, why not?
[12:39] <klaym> it's more like this: you either love linux and are open minded, or you're afraid of it and closed minded slave of MS
[12:40] <klaym> or you're not very passionate of computers in general and hence use MS products
[12:40] <Jaia> klaym: You must have missed my actual question.
[12:40] <terry_> Or you have a Mac
[12:40] <terry_> And in that case good job
[12:40] <Hwolf> odyssey: I tried setting up evolution, since then tb is screwed up
[12:40] <mjr> chroot instructions are available at least on https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, dunno if there's a ready-made ubuntu equivalent but things are pretty much the same
[12:40] <klaym> I was referring to terry_'s speak
[12:41] <odyssey> it should still work the same... im assuming your popping it. thats odd
[12:41] <Hwolf> odyssey: I get 'username/password not accepted' while I know they are 100% correct
[12:41] <terry_> thanks mjr, will try that tomorrow.  Gotta be able to run my win32 games still
[12:42] <terry_> and kludge mjr!!  Very good word!! I am impressed!!  It like tottally encompasses what you were saying
[12:42] <terry_> But I must go to school
[12:42] <mjr> (actually, I currently have a Debian sid x86, not Ubuntu, chroot on my AMD64 box)
[12:43] <NanoTek> Kikoo !!
[12:43] <Hwolf> mkr, evil!
[12:43] <mjr> ain't I just
[12:44] <Hwolf> mjr: why deb-sid?
[12:44] <Hwolf> mjr: what does it have that ubuntu lacks?
[12:45] <mjr> well, mostly marillat works together better with it, plus some other packages like thoggen
[12:46] <mjr> though, to be fair, making the chroot Hoary would've probably served most of my purposes well enough
[12:46] <Hwolf> mjr: marillat is illegal, how dare you? :-P
[12:46] <mjr> watch me not care :
[12:47] <mjr> besides, we don't, in principle, have software patents here. In practice, though, well, let's see how the directive goes...
[12:48] <Hwolf> mjr: let's hope for the best.
[12:48] <mjr> and of course there's the matter of the w32codecs package, but ah well. I rarely need that anyway, watch most of my videos with totem-xine on the amd64 side
[12:48] <Hwolf> mjr: use xine-ui. That saves you from breaking u-desktop
[12:49] <mjr> nah, I like totem's ui better
[12:49] <mjr> and I know enough to reinstall u-desktop before my hoary update to get all the new stuff :)
[12:49] <mjr> or after, whichever
[12:51] <Hwolf> mjr: once you'll forget, that'll mess you up.
[12:51] <Hwolf> :-P
[12:52] <Hwolf> Is there any possible reason for the fact that after I messed with evolution, suddenly I can't acces gmail from thunderbird?
[12:54] <terry_> mjr, thats the wrong way, I need a 32bit chroot, thats a 64bit chroot
[12:54] <shock> i am still amazed at how well a package-manager synaptic has become....
[12:55] <shock> somehow ubuntu lost alot of the linux-feel *g*
[12:55] <shock> *clickhere* *clickthere*
[12:56] <moyogo> it's more a gnome-feel
[12:57] <rubenv> shock: hmmmm?
[12:57] <rubenv> what do you mean?
[12:57] <terry_> I thought xorg was default in hoary?? I am still running Xfree86 4.3dfg
[12:57] <terry_> do I have to update-alternatives or something??
[12:57] <terry_> so that gdm will use it??
[12:58] <shock> i mean ubuntu is getting to the point of opacity for the gui that letz say osx has
[12:58] <shock> and I think I'll go a few days on text-mode only... to remember the days when getting any x running was a pain
[12:58] <shock> *g*
[12:59] <JoaoMarcus> lol
[12:59] <terry_> How do I use xorg rather than Xfree86??
[01:00] <shock> apt-get install xserver-xorg
[01:00] <terry_> Nevermind, I think I am using Xorg, its just early in the morning
[01:01] <nir> Someone here run on G5 and have sound?
[01:01] <terry_> whats the little program do do transparency with xorg??
[01:01] <nir> I check both warty and hoary daily, no sound
[01:02] <nir> horay has nice error messages about sounds on startup
[01:03] <nir> "invalid card number" "no sound card found"
[01:04] <terry> nir what kind of card??
[01:04] <terry> Crap i have to go to test transparency
[01:10] <nir> G5 built in sound
[01:11] <kha> que pachaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:11] <kha> uuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeee
[01:11] <npino> olaaaaa
[01:12] <kha> wenass
[01:12] <Hwolf> Has anyone here configured gmail in thunderbird?
[01:12] <Gusto_> yes
[01:12] <Hwolf> Gusto_ did you have any problems?
[01:12] <Gusto_> nope
[01:13] <npino> olaaa jessy!!!
[01:14] <npino> ollaaaaaaa
[01:14] <jmarquez> olaaaaaaa
[01:14] <jmarquez> k t cuentas?
[01:14] <npino> aki aburria tu?
[01:14] <jmarquez> jeje
[01:14] <jmarquez> pos tmbien
[01:14] <jmarquez> el otro es menos aburrio
[01:14] <npino> si
[01:14] <npino> jajaja
[01:14] <kha> kien eres?
[01:14] <npino> yo?
[01:14] <kha> jmarquez?
[01:15] <jmarquez> si
[01:15] <jmarquez> y tu?
[01:15] <jmarquez> eooooooooo
[01:15] <kha> pero que kien eres?
[01:15] <fabbione> this is an english chan
[01:15] <kha> amonos!!!
[01:15] <npino> what?
[01:15] <kha> a alpujarra
[01:15] <npino> jajajaja
[01:15] <fabbione> please use #ubuntu-<country>
[01:16] <kha> jmarquez y npino amos a alpujarra
[01:16] <Gusto_> Hwolf: are you having proble,s?
[01:16] <npino> espera k la encontremos
[01:16] <Hwolf> Gusto_ major problems:
[01:16] <jmarquez> si pero kien eres (el de amarillo)
[01:16] <fabbione> last call..
[01:16] <Hwolf> jmarquez: English please, not everyone here speaks spanish.
[01:16] <kha> es almohadilla alpujarra
[01:17] <fabbione> please move on #ubuntu-es
[01:17] <npino> ok
[01:17] <fabbione> this is an english chan
[01:17] <kha> ok
[01:17] <kha> tranki tronko
[01:17] <Hwolf> gusto_: I tried messing with evolution; since then I can't acces gmail from thunderbird
[01:17] <npino> kha ya estamos en alpujarra
[01:18] <Gusto_> Hwolf: you are using port 995 for pop?
[01:18] <Gusto_> and secure connection?
[01:18] <npino> speaks spanish?
[01:18] <Hwolf> gusto_: Yup. Identical settings, right password even
[01:18] <npino> yo hablo espaol
[01:18] <Hwolf> npino: Nothing but english here.
[01:18] <fabbione> please move to #ubuntu-es
[01:19] <npino> espaol
[01:19] <npino> ESPAOL
[01:19] <Gusto_> Hwolf: did you click save changes after enabling pop in gmail?
[01:19] <fabbione> i keep forgetting to remove the kick thingy from my irc client
[01:19] <Hwolf> Gusto_ I've been using gmail in thunderbird for months. It's just now that it doesn't work.
[01:19] <Gusto_> Hwolf: aah, ok
[01:21] <pioo1> fabbione: guess he didn't see that coming... :-)
[01:21] <Hwolf> Gusto: I've even updated to the backports version. Doesn't work.
[01:21] <fabbione> no but i need to remember to remove them
[01:21] <fabbione> they can be pretty offensive
[01:21] <fabbione> and that's not the point of the kick
[01:22] <pioo1> that one was...
[01:22] <fabbione> i know.. that's why i need to remember to remove them
[01:23] <pioo1> you better get rid of it wright away. this guy seemed not to speak english but someone else can...
[01:24] <fabbione> can any spanish guy please apologise for me in spanish with him?
[01:24] <Gusto_> hmm, i cant seem to log on using ssh anymore
[01:24] <fabbione> it was not meant to be offensive
[01:25] <daniels> fabbione: may I suggest irssi? ;)
[01:25] <fabbione> daniels: no way :-)
[01:26] <Lathiat> no client beats irssi :)
[01:26] <Gusto_> bx is only used by scriptkiddies
[01:26] <fabbione> bx > *
[01:26] <fabbione> mIRC > irssi
[01:26] <Quazion> bx had great detach support, before i found screen ;-) i and i am no scriptkiddie...
[01:26] <Lathiat> bx > * > irssi :)
[01:27] <Lathiat> wait argh wrong way around
[01:27] <Lathiat> that totally backfired
[01:27] <fabbione> Lathiat: too late ;)
[01:27] <Quazion> but irssi is a great piece of software
[01:28] <Hwolf> Gusto_: Can you get into gmail from tb?
[01:29] <Gusto_> Hwolf: yes i can
[01:29] <kbrooks> hey
[01:34] <Hwolf> Anyone here a thunderbird user?
[01:38] <pioo1> Hwolf: i don't use Thunderbird but I can recommend You Sylpheed...
[01:40] <shock_> argh
[01:40] <krybabie> hi
[01:40] <shock_> ho
[01:40] <krybabie> i am having a problem with a samba network printer
[01:40] <krybabie> the print queue will not empty
[01:40] <krybabie> the printer is a HP 6110
[01:41] <krybabie> any ideas ?
[01:42] <krybabie> it works on one pc not the other
[01:42] <krybabie> is it just a setting ?
[01:43] <shock_> i have no clue about samba-printers :/
[01:44] <ultimate_buzz> hello
[01:46] <looksaus> I'm running debian, but since #debian should really be renamed #trollflame
[01:46] <krybabie> i am connecting it to a samba print share
[01:46] <looksaus> I'm asking my question here
[01:46] <krybabie> it prints then does not flush the queue
[01:46] <looksaus> please don't answer if you feel that isn't appropriate
[01:47] <looksaus> I would like to know if it's possible to add users from a text file
[01:47] <looksaus> surely there must exist some shell scripts for that?
[01:47] <looksaus> I know in earlier days, there was something like "newusers" in debian
[01:48] <JoaoMarcus> adduser?
[01:48] <JoaoMarcus> useradd?
[01:48] <Guardiann> good morning everyone
[01:48] <JoaoMarcus> adduseradd?
[01:48] <looksaus> JoaoMarcus, multiple users?
[01:48] <LinuxJones> looksaus, you could easily write one, I don't know the syntax offhand but it would be no problem.
[01:49] <looksaus> LinuxJones, thx for the help, but I'm really trying not to reinvent the wheel here
[01:50] <Lathiat> looksaus: i have a 'newusers' command on my ubuntu system
[01:50] <snowblink> hello - about to install kmail and run in GNOME. Anything I should look out for?
[01:50] <Lathiat> looksaus: its in the package... *waits*
[01:50] <looksaus> Lathiat, oh, wait,
[01:50] <looksaus> I wasn't root when looking for
[01:50] <Lathiat> snowblink: ooc, tried evolution ?
[01:50] <looksaus> newusers... sorry, really stupid of me
[01:51] <Lathiat> snowblink: apart from that, themes tend to suck a bit, i forget what you need to install to set them
[01:51] <krybabie> any one that can help with the samba printer problem ?
[01:51] <snowblink> Lathiat: Yeah, I've been trying kmail alternatives - Thuderbird, Evolution, mutt. But I can't get everything I got out of kmail in those...
[01:51] <plut> hi
[01:51] <andrewski> is there any system documentation available, e.g. where to set my system language env vars?
[01:51] <Lathiat> snowblink: what do you want?
[01:52] <Lathiat> snowblink: (just curious for future hacking possibilities)
[01:52] <plut> hi, how do i mount a ntfs drive in ubuntu?
[01:52] <andrewski> plut: take a look at ubuntuguide.com (org?)
[01:52] <plut> k
[01:53] <snowblink> Lathiat: key is multiple email addresses associated with one account
[01:53] <plut> .org
[01:53] <plut> ;)
[01:53] <looksaus> thx, Lathiat
[01:53] <LinuxJones> MM2, howto's of any kind are great post it in the wiki
[01:54] <snowblink> Lathiat: You can in Thunderbird, but you have to edit prefs.js by hand.
[01:55] <MM2> LinuxJones: I have not yet wrote it, neither it is perfect. I can just use accounts and passwords from w2k server with winbind
[01:55] <Hwolf> Anyone here?
[01:56] <Guardiann> Hwolf always ;)
[01:56] <Hwolf> Guardiann, can you do me a favor?
[01:56] <LinuxJones> MM2, that's ok someone else can edit it and make any changes to help improve the howto. Did you check the wiki to see if someone has started one already ?
[01:56] <website> Hwolf, there are 343 people to answer to your questions
[01:56] <Guardiann> sure whats that
[01:56] <Lathiat> snowblink: ahh
[01:57] <Hwolf> I need someone to try and acces my gmail account from thunderbird. See if I do anything wrong.
[01:57] <Lathiat> snowblink: you could just setup another mail account that has no receiving mail
[01:57] <website> Hwolf, you have to set gmail accoutn first
[01:57] <website> if you don't set it, it will not work
[01:57] <WizzoMaFizzo> Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me with the login for webmin?
[01:57] <Hwolf> website: I've been using it for months. Now i've set it up again, and it doesn't work.
[01:58] <benja> how do i edit in hoary the applet "disk mounter"
[01:58] <website> Hwolf, you have to set encryption
[01:59] <WizzoMaFizzo> No one knows anything about webmin?
[01:59] <Hwolf> website: i did
[02:00] <MM2> LinuxJones: nope, where's wiki? :)
[02:00] <principerobot> Can someone help me, please?
[02:00] <website> Hwolf, i setted my account on evolution yesterday
[02:00] <website> and it works
[02:00] <Lathiat> benjanet: what do you eamean edit it?
[02:00] <ultimate_buzz> does anyone know how to disable the autostart of ICEwm , i only want this as an opertunity and @ boot i want my lovely terminal
[02:01] <benjanet> i had for mounts..i deleted one by accident..i dont know how to get it back..
[02:01] <WizzoMaFizzo> Maybe you could switch to another tty?
[02:01] <Zindar> ultimate: you don't want X to start on booot?
[02:01] <Hwolf> website: I tried to set it in evolution, since then it doesn't work in gmail anymore.
[02:01] <principerobot> Do you know how can I mount my cardreader?
[02:01] <spiral> hi
[02:01] <WizzoMaFizzo> Then you don't have to disable the X server.
[02:01] <Lathiat> principerobot: just plug it in, it should come up
[02:01] <principerobot> it's integred
[02:01] <benjanet> Lathiat,  i had 4 mounts..i deleted one by accident..i dont know how to get it back
[02:02] <Lathiat> benjanet: well its controlled by whats in /etc/fstab
[02:02] <website> Hwolf, i don't understand but it works on evolution
[02:02] <Lathiat> benjanet: and also by automounted stuff when you plug it in
[02:02] <Lathiat> principerobot: oh its part of your laptop?
[02:02] <principerobot> I have a laptop ACER Aspire 1681
[02:02] <principerobot> yes
[02:02] <Lathiat> principerobot: if it doesnt popup a window when you plug a card in, then its probably not supported.
[02:02] <benjanet> Lathiat, my fstab is fine.
[02:02] <principerobot> no
[02:02] <Lathiat> principerobot: alot of those arent standard devices
[02:02] <Lathiat> principerobot: closed-spec drivers we dont know how to talk to, so your out of luck.
[02:03] <Lathiat> principerobot: could try google or something see if someone figured it out
[02:03] <ultimate_buzz> Zindar: yep i want my terminal @ boot
[02:03] <leitao> please, what is the difference between warty and satable in the sources.list thirty colum ?
[02:03] <leitao> s/satable/stable
[02:03] <principerobot> But when I put a memory card in my computer, something happends
[02:03] <LesleyB> snowblink : thanks for your help the other day.  I had to completely re-install XP in the end. BUT I tried knoppix on my XP box and was able to ping between the ubuntu and knoppix with no changes to the ubuntu set up
[02:04] <principerobot> the mouse cursor would slowly
[02:04] <ultimate_buzz> i only want the x with icewm when i start it
[02:04] <LesleyB> even disconnected from the net and with no firewall operating I still couldn't get XP to respond to ICMP from the ubuntu box.
[02:04] <principerobot> and then quickly again
[02:04] <t31> someone knows how to have several keyboard languages from the panels like kde does?
[02:06] <snowblink> Lathiat: Cheers for that. I'll have a bit more of a play on Evolution before I kmail it.
[02:06] <Se7h> does anyone have a problem with alien ?
[02:08] <JoaoMarcus> I've never met an alien
[02:08] <ultimate_buzz> i return from the ubuntu machine ,D
[02:08] <Se7h> lol
[02:08] <Se7h> it worked fine
[02:08] <Se7h> now it's stupid
[02:08] <principerobot> ;)
[02:08] <Se7h> gives me some dumb errors
[02:10] <spiral> hmmm... any tip about amarok 1.2 beta4 in hoary ?
[02:11] <snowblink> t31: have you tried the keyboard setup window?
[02:11] <snowblink> t31: computer->desktop pref->keyboard
[02:12] <Gusto_> anyone got ident to work?
[02:12] <snowblink> t31: + the keyboard layout indicator in a panel...
[02:13] <kebac> Gusto_: what's your problem
[02:13] <Gusto_> kebac: i got oident running, but i dont get an ident on any irc servers
[02:14] <kebac> Gusto_: are you behind nat
[02:14] <Gusto_> kebac: yes
[02:14] <kebac> Gusto_: what kind of nat router
[02:15] <Gusto_> kebac: its a zyxel prestige 931r
[02:15] <kebac> Gusto_: then you can try to forward port 113 to you oidentd host, but i think it's not going to work
[02:16] <Gusto_> kebac: I have already forwarded port 113 to the host
[02:16] <kebac> Gusto_: ok
[02:16] <kebac> Gusto_: the problem with identd and nat is, that the nat makes your source port different than it really is
[02:16] <Gusto_> hmm
[02:16] <kebac> Gusto_: your irc connection from your machine originates from a different port than from your nat router
[02:17] <kebac> Gusto_: and when irc server asks your machine about your ident, it only know about the source port originating from your nat router
[02:17] <flosch> hi
[02:17] <AzMoo> Hey guys. I'm trying to play a movie, I think it's divX format, but I'm getting a blank screen, audio, no visual. Do I need to get a codec from somewhere?
[02:18] <kebac> Gusto_: that is why you should have some kind of ident proxying enabled on your nat router
[02:18] <Gusto_> but i get the ident questions from the irc servers. but oidentd replys NO:USER
[02:18] <Gusto_> strangly this worked on slackware and fedora
[02:18] <kebac> Gusto_: yeah, that is because irc server asks for wrong source port
[02:19] <kebac> Gusto_: did it work with same nat box? i have heard that some boxes have ident proxying
[02:19] <Gusto_> same nat box
[02:19] <kebac> Gusto_: hmm... then i dont know.. i have a netbsd box doing NAT, and i have oidentd handling ident proxy on all machines
[02:20] <Gusto_> aah, maybe i should turn off the damn nat and use a box
[02:20] <kebac> Gusto_: what you mean
[02:20] <Gusto_> same thing you are doing
[02:20] <kebac> Gusto_: that could work
[02:21] <kebac> Gusto_: no, it works
[02:21] <Gusto_> hehe, i know, had a linux router project box a time back, it worked smooth
[02:21] <kebac> Gusto_: you have to make your adsl-box to use bridge-mode
[02:21] <Gusto_> till the power supply burned up
[02:21] <paolinux> Hi *
[02:21] <spiral> hmmm... Is ubuntu UPnP compliant ?
[02:22] <Gusto_> kebac: yep
[02:22] <Gusto_> kebac: good thing i have full access to it
[02:22] <paolinux> i'm trying the new ubuntu live but ...
[02:22] <kebac> Gusto_: and run oidentd on nat machine... with switches oidentd -m -f
[02:22] <kebac> Gusto_: and for all client machines use oidentd -P routers.ip.address
[02:22] <paolinux> it seems to have same problem as the previous
[02:23] <Gusto_> ah, ok
[02:23] <Gusto_> thanks
[02:23] <paolinux> also if select italian or lang=it all gnome menu are in english
[02:23] <kebac> Gusto_: windows mirc's work without tuning
[02:24] <Gusto_> kebac: i dont use windows
[02:24] <ultibuzz> soso im back ;D
[02:25] <t31> snowblink: sorry babyemergency :P there is nothing like that there :P
[02:25] <kebac> Gusto_: we have two windows machines so it's good to have ident working on them as well
[02:25] <Gusto_> hmm, lrp is no more
[02:25] <spiral> anything about UPnP or smart batteries or amarok ?
[02:28] <ultimate_buzz> so ive i just delet the xdm entry in my init.d the pc shoud not start the desktop, am i right ?
[02:30] <website> ultimate_buzz, excuse me but i don't see any xdm in my /etc/init.d directory
[02:30] <website> only xfree86-common
[02:31] <ultimate_buzz> xdm comes befor xfree86-comon
[02:31] <ultimate_buzz> @ me
[02:32] <ultimate_buzz> im using the icewm
[02:32] <website> uhm, so you installed xdm, in this case if you delete the script the desktop will not work
[02:32] <website> but if you want to use it in all the runlevels
[02:32] <website> except one
[02:33] <website> you have to use update-rc.d command
[02:34] <ultimate_buzz> thats i want ,D
[02:34] <ultimate_buzz> i want my terminal
[02:34] <ultimate_buzz> and only if i start the desktop it shoud run
[02:35] <website> ok so you have to remove s link int /etc/rc2.d linked at xdm
[02:35] <website> to do this use update-rc.d
[02:35] <website> man update-rc.d
[02:36] <ultimate_buzz> thx for help
[02:38] <website> here to help ultimate_buzz
[02:41] <ultimate_buzz> so i reboot to test ;D
[02:43] <flamesrock_> *\
[02:45] <website> linux_mafia, italiano?
[02:45] <linux_mafia> website, nah bro
[02:52] <Justme> 6 more weeks of winter this really sucks
[02:53] <ultibuzz> it works ,D, update-rc.d xmd remove
[02:54] <ultibuzz> thx website
[02:55] <website> ultibuzz, if you want to run x
[02:55] <website> just
[02:55] <website> xdm
[02:55] <website> and it will worek
[02:55] <website> work
[02:55] <website> ultibuzz, you are welcome
[02:56] <Se7h> bash: ../configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[02:56] <Se7h> w00t ?
[02:56] <Se7h> o.0
[02:57] <ultibuzz> @ website that i know ;D starx do it also ;D
[02:57] <website> Se7h, so sh in terminal
[02:57] <website> what's up?
[02:57] <zhukov_> hi
[02:58] <website> s/so/do
[02:58] <Se7h> ./configure
[02:58] <Se7h> shouldn't be a problem
[02:58] <zhukov_> wm_eddie, r u there?
[02:59] <website> ah yes, Se7h check permissions (777)
[02:59] <Se7h> i checked
[02:59] <Se7h> im the owner
[02:59] <Se7h> rwx
[03:00] <Se7h> no prob with that
[03:00] <Se7h> wierd
[03:00] <zhukov_> I've installed eclipse, the icon is in the menu, all fine, but when i want to use it i get this error:The Eclipse executable launcher was unable to locate its
[03:00] <zhukov_> companion startup.jar file (in the same directory as the executable), but the file is there...
[03:00] <website> Se7h, it is srange
[03:00] <website> *strange
[03:02] <ultibuzz> mhhhh wheres my secont networkinterface its gone only the eth0 is in interfaces *GRUMPF*
[03:03] <Se7h> website very
[03:03] <website> Se7h, look at the code, it seems to be bugged
[03:04] <Se7h> seth@devil:~/0.geral/Documents/SCT/wxPython-src-2.5.3.1/bld $ ../configure bash: ../configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[03:04] <Se7h> what code?
[03:04] <dobry> hello
[03:05] <ultibuzz> i installed wxpython just a min ago q me it works fine
[03:05] <website> Se7h, look into configure script maybe there is not the " #" in the first line or something like this
[03:06] <Se7h> hmm
[03:06] <Se7h> i doubt it
[03:06] <Se7h> but i'll give it a shot
[03:07] <Se7h> #! /bin/sh
[03:07] <Se7h> nop
[03:07] <ultibuzz> how i get my eth1 back ? , its gone and i dont know why
[03:07] <Se7h> everything looks fine
[03:07] <website> ultibuzz, ifup eth1
[03:07] <ultibuzz> not working the eth1 is no longer in the interfaces
[03:08] <website> Se7h, i don't know how to help you since a configure script works fine on my system
[03:08] <ultibuzz> but why
[03:09] <website> i don't know
[03:09] <Slaven> argh
[03:09] <Slaven> why are there TWO Windows-keys on most keyboards?
[03:10] <Slaven> TWO?! it doesn't make sense!
[03:10] <Slaven> even ONE doesn't make sense. TWO makes ultra little sense.
[03:10] <ultibuzz> that u ever look @ them ;D
[03:10] <Lathiat> Slaven: right/left handed people?
[03:10] <ultibuzz> owned by MS
[03:10] <Lathiat> my keyboard only has 1 :)
[03:10] <ultibuzz> my are out ,D
[03:10] <Slaven> Lathiat: Better with two alt and two altgr then?
[03:11] <ultibuzz> couz @ gaming they suck when u come onn it ;D
[03:11] <Lathiat> ctrl, fn, windows, alt, spce, alt, ctrl
[03:11] <Lathiat> is what i have
[03:11] <Slaven> The windows key has ONE function in Windows. Anyone ever really use it? I always clicked.
[03:11] <Slaven> Lathiat: fn? laptop?
[03:12] <ultibuzz> ctrl-HOLE-alt-space-alt gr -hole -list-strg
[03:12] <ultibuzz> ;ED
[03:12] <ultibuzz> i just hit strg+esc
[03:12] <Lathiat> Slaven: yeh
[03:12] <ultibuzz> same function as the winkey
[03:12] <zeedo> Slaven: yep, I use it alot for quick access to menu entries eg... winkey-r-enter
[03:13] <Slaven> I bet most Windows-users click the start menu.
[03:13] <zeedo> you can also use it in shortcuts eg... winkey+e runs explorer
[03:13] <Slaven> it's just annoying when you're gaming.
[03:13] <zeedo> Slaven: any good game should disable it
[03:13] <Slaven> ok, I'm no expert. just seems stup with two winkeys and only one real alt.
[03:14] <Slaven> stup+D
[03:14] <Slaven> -+I
[03:14] <zeedo> yeh, you could always remap the key to something else though :)
[03:14] <ultibuzz> or just remove them ;D
[03:14] <snowblink> Slaven: you can always physically remove it
[03:15] <zeedo> lol
[03:15] <ultibuzz> ^
[03:15] <snowblink> I usualy pry off the menu key
[03:15] <Slaven> snowblink: I have an old iCL here that I'm seriously considering using instead.
[03:15] <Slaven> it has ctrl,alt,space,altgr,ctrl
[03:15] <ultibuzz> bac in a sec ,D in win
[03:15] <zeedo> I use the windows keys and menu keys on my machines for other functions
[03:16] <zeedo> winkey opens a run prompt and menu key locks the desktop
[03:16] <Slaven> yeah
[03:16] <snowblink> zeedo: like it...
[03:16] <Slaven> but it could just as well have been called tellytubby-key and have a pic of a lala on it.
[03:16] <Slaven> it's just stupid.
[03:17] <zeedo> Slaven: its there to remind people that they could have had a crap OS but they chose ubuntu
[03:17] <zeedo> infact it was designed specifically for that by MS I hear
[03:17] <ulti|down> back ;D
[03:18] <ultibuzz> vnc is up and running ssh is up and running ;D
[03:18] <Slaven> oh yeah :)
[03:18] <ultibuzz> so the linux box can go into a tiny little corner ,D
[03:18] <snowblink> hmmm is there any way to map to keyboard shortcuts to one function?
[03:18] <snowblink> sorry 2 keyboard shortcuts
[03:18] <Slaven> ultibuzz: So you use windoze for desktop?
[03:18] <zeedo> snowblink: yeh, use xbindkeys
[03:19] <ultibuzz> jep
[03:19] <ultibuzz> couz of the games ;D
[03:19] <ultibuzz> nad some programms
[03:19] <snowblink> zeedo: cheers
[03:19] <ultibuzz> but server stuff routing and so un goes to the linux one ,D
[03:19] <zeedo> snowblink: np
[03:19] <tritium> strange, /etc/papersize doesn't belong to any package (according to "dpgk -S /etc/papersize")
[03:19] <ultibuzz> if the damn fucking eth1 return ;D
[03:27] <tritium> I just had to dpkg-reconfigure libpaper1 to set /etc/papersize correctly.  I don't recall that being done during installation.
[03:30] <arnau_> Hello. Can anybody help me about install SD card on a dell X300 laptop?
[03:30] <ultibuzz> how i install manually a network interface in terminal
[03:31] <spiral> arnau_: hmmm... is it a usb mode reader ?
[03:31] <arnau_> how can I know it?
[03:32] <spiral> arnau_: under windows for example, does it work as a "usb disk" ?
[03:32] <spiral> arnau_: under linux you can maybe look in lspci
[03:33] <arnau_> I don't have a windows partition.
[03:33] <jesuel> wow, ive deicided that displaying my X windows over the network can definitely use the bandwith up
[03:33] <arnau_> if I write "lspci -v", it appears: 0000:02:03.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev ac)
[03:33] <arnau_>         Subsystem: Dell Computer Corporation: Unknown device 014f
[03:33] <arnau_>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 168, IRQ 10
[03:33] <arnau_>         Memory at 28001000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable)
[03:33] <arnau_>         Bus: primary=02, secondary=03, subordinate=06, sec-latency=176
[03:33] <arnau_>         Memory window 0: 28400000-287ff000 (prefetchable)
[03:33] <arnau_>         Memory window 1: 28800000-28bff000
[03:33] <arnau_>         I/O window 0: 00004000-000040ff
[03:33] <arnau_>         I/O window 1: 00004400-000044ff
[03:34] <arnau_>         16-bit legacy interface ports at 0001
[03:35] <spiral> arnau_: when you plug a card...
[03:36] <spiral> arnau_: doesn't hotplug do anything ?
[03:36] <spiral> arnau_: you use ubuntu, don't you ?
[03:36] <arnau_> If I plug a card and I write "dmesg" or "tail -f /var/log/messages", it appears nothing. I use ubuntu.
[03:36] <LinuxJones> arnau_, please paste in www.pastebin.ca then post the link in the irc channel :D
[03:37] <spiral> arnau_: I suppose that you don't get a /dev/sda1 for example when you plug it ?
[03:37] <arnau_> No. If I try mount /dev/sda1 /SDCARD for example, ubuntu doesn't mount it.
[03:38] <spiral> arnau_: it says smth as not an existing device ?
[03:40] <flamesrock_> p[
[03:41] <arnau_> quit
[03:43] <wayne01> hi guys, does any one know what to do to get Firefox to be able to browse www.kulula.com
[03:44] <ubuntu> wayne01: flash or java?
[03:44] <spiral> wayne01: this works for me...
[03:44] <website> me too
[03:44] <wayne01> it looks like a Java problem, none of the drop down menus work
[03:45] <website> all the menus works for me
[03:45] <spiral> wayne01: they do for me too...
[03:45] <spiral> wayne01: i still get some "strange messages, like : <% If payLater = 1 Then %>    <% end if %>"
[03:45] <spiral> but this kind of "works" :-p
[03:46] <wayne01> Strange, could it be a setting, just did a fresh install of ubuntu today on my laptop
[03:46] <snowblink> wayne01: are there supposed to be drop downs? I remember the days of static menus...
[03:46] <wayne01> Also no Flash items work in my Firefox browser
[03:47] <snowblink> wayne01: see ubuntuguide
[03:47] <spiral> Riddell: I think this was you... Do you know if amarok will be updated to 1.2 beta4 in hoary ?
[03:48] <Riddell> spiral: oh no, they havn't released another version have they?
[03:48] <spiral> Riddell: they did... Yes...
[03:49] <spiral> Riddell: just seen it on their website :-p
[03:50] <Riddell> spiral: if you're in a hury and you want to learn how to make debian packages you could do it youself :)
[03:50] <snowblink> Riddell: in a hurry... learn to do debian packages...
[03:50] <spiral> Riddell: thanks for your todo list... I'm not in such a hurry, but I'm interested in helping if I can, and I would be interested to learn to make debian packages...
[03:51] <spiral> snowblink: so you think, like me, that this is harder than a hurry problem ?
[03:51] <Riddell> spiral: well you can apt-get source amarok  then get the new sources, copy the debian/ directory over, build with  `debuild -us -uc` and see if it works or not
[03:52] <snowblink> spiral: I'd probably cheat and forgo the packaging bit.
[03:52] <spiral> snowblink: :-p
[03:52] <spiral> Riddell: all right, I'll try this :-)
[03:56] <spiral> Riddell: snifff... This won't be so simple... a lot of dependencies problems are reported bye debbuild
[03:57] <spiral> by sorry
[04:00] <wayne01> can anyone recommend a easy to use FTP client for ubuntu that is similar to WSFTP?
[04:00] <JoaoMarcus> gftp?
[04:00] <spiral> wayne01: yes, or if you prefer kde, kbear...
[04:01] <wayne01> ok thanks :-)
[04:01] <JoaoMarcus> I would prefer something more like Bulletproof FTP, is there any linux equivalent?
[04:10] <shock> can someone tell me how to install additional fonts in ubuntu? - ones that are deownloaded seperately and not apt-get installed
[04:10] <shock> plz?
[04:10] <spiral> shock: put them in ~/.fonts
[04:12] <shock> hmkay
[04:13] <shock> thats fairly easy *g*
[04:18] <shock> hm... let me guess... that wont work for psfu fonts?
[04:18] <tritium> it's for TTF
[04:19] <shock> *sigh*
[04:19] <shock> ok
[04:19] <shock> google - here we go again =)
[04:19] <shock> any good source for ttf's ?
[04:20] <shock> k found some
[04:20] <shock> works
[04:20] <shock> thx all
[04:20] <tritium> Oh, my aching stomach.  Somebody file a bug against me.  I think I have a stomach virus.
[04:23] <Guardiann> wow this place is getting big
[04:33] <debian_> hola
[04:34] <Cred> Someone here up to try to help me to get my DVB-T card to work? Chipset is saa7146 (Hauppage budget card).
[04:38] <baluba> hi
[04:39] <baluba> i don't remember quite well: is there in the installer an option to automatically partitioning free space?
[04:40] <bretzel> baluba: qtparted ?
[04:41] <TreadingSoftly> i've been trying to upgrade to hoary from a fresh warty install ... but apt-get dist-upgrade has hit a huge series of python unmet dependencies - is anyone else experiencing this? what happens if i do "apt-get -f install"?
[04:41] <bretzel> baluba: Sorry, I missunderstood your qeuestrion
[04:41] <bretzel> question ...
[04:41] <Se7h> configure:10673: checking whether the C compiler works
[04:41] <baluba> bretzel, i'm just interested to know if the installer does suggest a partitioning scheme :)
[04:41] <Se7h> configure:10679: ./a.out
[04:41] <Se7h> ../configure: line 1: ./a.out: Permission denied
[04:41] <Se7h> erm
[04:41] <kebac> bretzel: a common typo
[04:42] <thenuke> TreadingSoftly: maybe that just should tell you not to upgrade it ;)
[04:42] <Slaven> 425 Security: Bad IP connecting. <-- when connecting to my own wu-ftpd server.
[04:42] <Slaven> I know I've been able to login before.
[04:43] <bretzel> baluba: sorry, kebac: no its my son ( 13 month old ) who was exploring my space ....:-)
[04:43] <TreadingSoftly> thenuke: i need hoary
[04:43] <PotajiTo> i'm triying to download with qtorrent a torrent file, but when i choose the location(is a fat32 partition) it gives permission denied ... i can write normally as user in konqueror
[04:43] <kebac> bretzel: :)
[04:43] <Parallax> Who can help me setting up two monitors ????
[04:44] <baluba> is just that what stated here sounds inaccurate: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/djst/archives/007449.html
[04:45] <cjdavis> parallax: i'm working on the same thing
[04:45] <bretzel> ...Softly: Are you actually using Warty ? - If this is the case I learned here that we can upgrade to hoary easily :-) I 've done it and -- unfortunately nvidia-glx /xorg are not working tho :-( but it is missing or missconfiigured modules ) otherwize it is owrking very well
[04:46] <bretzel> ...even KDE related apps are better configured than in Warty ...
[04:46] <cjdavis> parallax: what's your hardware setup? ie what video card(s)?
[04:46] <Slaven> hoary comes with X.org? :(
[04:46] <Slaven> X.org is evil.
[04:47] <LinuxJones> bretzel, xorg + nvidia aren't working for me either
[04:47] <daniels> Slaven: ... ?
[04:47] <cjdavis> I'm personally wondering if I should just upgrade / reinstall hoary
[04:47] <baluba> sladen, funny
[04:47] <bretzel> Slaven: how xorg is evil ?
[04:47] <Slaven> daniels: As many other state, xorg + nvidia never worked for me.
[04:47] <Slaven> Se above.
[04:47] <TreadingSoftly> bretzel: i did a brand new fresh warty install; then apt-get upgrade: that worked. then apt-get dist-upgrade got stuck on loads of unmet dependencies. now trying apt-get -f
[04:48] <mjg59> Slaven: There's been no significant issues with nvidia and xorg
[04:48] <Slaven> Okay, it's maybe not evil.
[04:48] <Slaven> But I won't upgrade anytime soon.
[04:48] <mjg59> Your loss
[04:48] <daniels> Slaven: i suspect what you mean to say is that the new version of the nvidia drivers (6629) is broken on your hardware, as opposed to 6111, which works fine.  this is an nvidia bug which only they can fix because they have chosen to release binary-only drivers, and has absolutely nothing to do with xorg.  if you want to stick with xfree86, fine, but it's a bad idea.
[04:48] <Slaven> nope.
[04:48] <Slaven> no version of nvidia works.
[04:48] <daniels> mjg59: unsurprisingly, 6629 regressed support for some older cards.
[04:48] <bretzel> Slaven: I came here too late, can't see your lines above "425 security "...
[04:48] <mjg59> daniels: Cocks
[04:49] <Slaven> bretzel: That was my first line.
[04:49] <cjdavis> I have ati radeon - it looks like they just released a new set of drivers (FINALLY!) -- so I have an ATI Radeon 9600 with an AMD64 proc -- can anybody tell me, would I be better off installing hoary, since it appears to have better support for both?
[04:49] <hendsp> i dont suppose anyone here know's about mac osx? my friend just called me saying she cant use her ibook becasue of a scratch disk problem?
[04:49] <shock> hmpf.... as long as they wont rellease anything usable on powerpc I will remain @ war with them
[04:50] <bretzel> Slaven: As I said , Hoary and nvidia don't work for me ... but until Hoary is releassed, I don't mind to miss bzflag ...:-)
[04:50] <rubenv> bretzel: hoary & nvidia work just normal
[04:50] <tritium> hoary and nvidia/xorg worked for me without a hitch first time
[04:50] <bretzel> ruben: 3d accel  driver ???
[04:50] <rubenv> bretzel: offcourse
[04:51] <LinuxJones> ruvenv, It doesn't work for me either
[04:52] <mjg59> ATI has better support on PPC than nvidia, though that's not saying much
[04:52] <mjg59> At least radeonfb is able to reinitialise the video hardware
[04:52] <Slaven> oh comeon
[04:52] <bretzel> ruben: I tried several times: apt-get remove / install nvidia-glx ; nvidia-glx-config enable --- no luck modules are missing I can't remember which... If you wuld help me ... I could retry and report which modules are screwedup ?
[04:52] <Slaven> I know many have complained about this.
[04:52] <shock> indeed @ mjg
[04:52] <tritium> so if I order a new powerbook, be sure it doesn't have nvidia?
[04:52] <rubenv> bretzel: have you installed the restricted modules?
[04:52] <mjg59> tritium: Which means go for the 15" or 17"
[04:52] <shock> right trit
[04:53] <tritium> mjg59, thanks for the tip!
[04:53] <bretzel> ruben: wait I read my sources.list ...
[04:53] <gamecat> Does anyone here know where I can learn about the way GNOME handles reading the indexes of audio CDs?
[04:53] <mjg59> The 12" is unlikely to support suspend/resume in the massively near future
[04:53] <gamecat> I have 2 cd drives, and only one of them shows audio tracks available.
[04:53] <mjg59> Though that could probably be helped by BIOS disassembly on an x86 nvidia machine
[04:53] <mjg59> Hmm
[04:53] <tritium> mjg59, because of nvidia issues?
[04:53] <gamecat> I've tried to follow the path of symlinks that lets XMMS, etc read audio data from the /cdrom directory, but I can't duplicate it for cdrom1 for some reason.
[04:53] <mjg59> tritium: Yeah. We know how to make the ATI stuff work again on resume, but not the nvidia stuff
[04:54] <tritium> hmm, maybe that's part of my problem with resume on this Dell.
[04:54] <bretzel> uh ... Ruben ? I have no "restricted" repos ... Is that related to the failures ?
[04:54] <ubuntu> bretzel: maybe you forgot about "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" ;)
[04:54] <rubenv> yes
[04:54] <mjg59> tritium: Using Hoary?
[04:55] <mjg59> Or Warty?
[04:55] <tritium> mjg59, better to use agpgart rather than NvAGP with nvidia?  Hoary
[04:55] <mjg59> Oh, yes, much better to use agpgart
[04:55] <bretzel> ubuntu: no-no, I know about sudo ,... otherwize apt-get cannot acces the db ...
[04:55] <mjg59> But the Hoary sleep scripts ought to stand a chance of working
[04:55] <tritium> Okay, I blacklisted intel_agp to use nvidia's
[04:55] <tritium> but I will change that back
[04:56] <gamecat> So does anyone know about how we deal with audio CDs?
[04:56] <tritium> it sleeps okay, but doesn't resume on first press of power button
[04:56] <mjg59> You still stand a slightly better chance of success with the nv driver, though that won't give you 3D acceleration
[04:56] <tritium> it hits the snooze bar :)
[04:56] <mjg59> Oh, yes, does it work properly on the second press?
[04:56] <tritium> I don't really need 3D accel.  Maybe I'll go back to nv.
[04:56] <mjg59> I have absolutely no idea what causes that
[04:57] <tritium> mjg59, more or less.  I still have to remove my wireless card prior to suspending.
[04:57] <tritium> but it seems to suspend/resume just fine (after 2nd press) if I do
[04:58] <bretzel> ruben: So, Is "restricted" repo pkgs is needed to get nvidia accel working ?
[04:58] <mjg59> tritium: Ok. What happens if you leave the wireless card in?
[04:58] <rubenv> you'll need the linux-restricted-modules package for your kernel, afaik
[04:59] <tritium> mjg59, it hangs for a while.  I can't remember the exact message, but something to do with unregistering netdevice, or something of the sort
[04:59] <ubuntu> bretzel: if you got error during updating apr repos right?
[04:59] <ubuntu> apr=apt*
[05:00] <mjg59> tritium: Ah, ok - it's probably failing to have the interface brought down fully before suspend
[05:00] <tritium> mjg59, I can try to reproduce it for you if it'll help
[05:00] <PotajiTo> i'm triying to download with qtorrent a torrent file, but when i choose the location(is a fat32 partition) it gives permission denied ... i can write normally as user in konqueror
[05:00] <bretzel> rubenv: OK, the line in sources.list, how is it written ( only the ending words not the full URI) ? I could add that line
[05:00] <snowblink> gamecat: just tried in warty - the tracks are there, just not being displayed
[05:00] <mjg59> tritium: I'll play with pcmcia here and see if I can improve that
[05:00] <tritium> mjg59, I've been meaning to make time to update your HoaryPMResults for my Dell C840
[05:00] <bretzel> ubuntu: I got buches of errors related to non-ubuntu/hoary repos because of my needs in Warty about multimedis
[05:00] <gamecat> snowblink - really?
[05:01] <gamecat> So what's going on?
[05:01] <tritium> mjg59, thanks.  I appreciate what you've already done, and look forward to further improvements!
[05:01] <snowblink> gamecat: testing in hoary...
[05:01] <rubenv> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
[05:01] <snowblink> gamecat: works in hoary
[05:02] <ubuntu> bretzel: maybe repositories are being updating right now?
[05:02] <tritium> mjg59, I'm going to go try that now.
[05:02] <gamecat> REAlly.
[05:02] <mjg59> tritium: Thanks!
[05:02] <gamecat> Okay then, sounds like we have a plan of action.
[05:02] <gamecat> Do you have any idea why, though?
[05:02] <larsrohdin> hey guys!
[05:02] <tritium> mjg59, thank you too!
[05:02] <larsrohdin> there are a lot of different versions of mplayer... which is the best? which is most GUI?
[05:03] <snowblink> gamecat: save the track list
[05:03] <marcin_ant> hi - are there packages with apache Tomcat available for ubuntu?
[05:03] <gamecat> ...huh?
[05:03] <snowblink> gamecat: then reinsert CD
[05:03] <bretzel> ubuntu: since rubenv told me about "restricted" I would like to obtain the line in sources.list
[05:03] <gamecat> Not sure what you mean, SB.
[05:03] <gamecat> you mean, as a playlist?
[05:03] <snowblink> gamecat: nope - you're using CD Player right?
[05:04] <bretzel> I mean: [URI]  distrib main? retricted? ... how ?
[05:04] <abrotman> is there a default password for hoary 386 livecd ?
[05:04] <gamecat> I've tried several things.
[05:04] <abrotman> err for root i mean
[05:04] <gamecat> with different bad results.
[05:04] <Littlechand> hi
[05:04] <snowblink> gamecat: Well I'm using CD Player - default GNOME player
[05:04] <rubenv> bretzel:  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
[05:04] <gamecat> CDplayer silently moves a slider; XMMS just can't find the tracks.
[05:04] <snowblink> gamecat: to the left of the preferences button there is a track editor
[05:04] <bretzel> ubuntu: "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted" oops I have it ...
[05:05] <snowblink> gamecat: you can see the track listing there
[05:05] <gamecat> Okay.
[05:05] <Littlechand> on hoary when i tried to change my desktop background, there i no effect if i choose another default ubuntu background
[05:05] <bretzel> Thus, I have a problem :-(
[05:05] <hitu>  mkdir /media/windows
[05:05] <hitu> mkdir: cannot create directory `/media/windows': File exists
[05:05] <hitu> root@kinky:/home/hitu # mount /dev/hda3 /media/window -t vfat -o umask=000
[05:05] <hitu> mount: mount point /media/window does not exist
[05:05] <hitu> whats the problem with that
[05:05] <snowblink> hitu: windowS
[05:06] <bretzel> is it related to pcieh.ko ?
[05:06] <hitu> snowblink: it mounts on other kernel
[05:06] <snowblink> hitu: you are missing an s
[05:06] <hitu> oohhhhh
[05:06] <hitu> ok :[
[05:06] <bretzel> oops sorry ...
[05:06] <hitu> mount /dev/hda3 /media/windows -t vfat -o umask=000
[05:06] <hitu> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda3,
[05:06] <hitu>        or too many mounted file system
[05:07] <snowblink> hitu: 1. is it mounted already? 2. is it a FAT 32 FS?
[05:07] <gamecat> At any rate, "works in hoary" is good enough for me. Thanks, snow. Ciao.
[05:07] <hitu> snowblink: it is a FAT32
[05:07] <bretzel> ...because ( from dmesg:"pciehp: Fails to gain control of native hot-plug
[05:07] <bretzel> 
[05:07] <hitu> and its not mounted
[05:08] <hitu> doesn show up on "mount -l"
[05:08] <bretzel> and suring boot, : FATAL: pciehp.ko : no such device
[05:08] <hitu> like i said .. it mounts without ant problems on other kernel
[05:09] <PockTars> greetingz
[05:09] <snowblink> hitu: I wonder if you have support for FAT32 in your new kernel
[05:10] <hitu> snowblink: yes i do :o
[05:10] <bretzel> anyway, I don;t mind about 3d accel - Unless I can fix my problem... i don't care for now
[05:10] <ubuntu> bretzel: read www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:10] <bretzel> ubuntu: okay, thanks going to the guide :-)
[05:10] <hitu> i'll check the config file
[05:11] <snowblink> hitu: Hmmm... I'd fdisk -l to check that it's definitely what you think it is
[05:11] <Parallax> Who can help me setting up two monitors ????
[05:11] <hitu> /dev/hda3           52817      231700    90156780    b  W95 FAT32
[05:11] <bretzel> ubuntu: nothing differes of what I've done ...
[05:12] <da_bon_bon> whats the best way to repair a screwed up partition table ?
[05:12] <ubuntu> "pciehp fails"
[05:12] <ubuntu> There is tip about it
[05:12] <jcapote> hey guys
[05:12] <bretzel> okay :-)
[05:12] <hitu> pciehp fails for me too :P
[05:12] <jcapote> im downloading warty-release-live
[05:12] <snowblink> hitu: lsof /mount/windows
[05:12] <jcapote> i assume thats version 4.1?
[05:12] <jcapote> 4.10*
[05:13] <hitu> nothin snowblink
[05:13] <jcapote> is that the latest version of the livecd?
[05:14] <bert> Hi!
[05:14] <Parallax> Who can help me setting up two monitors?
[05:14] <hitu> now my xmms wont work too :(
[05:14] <jcapote> anyone know what version the live cd is at?
[05:14] <bretzel> ubuntu: blacklist isn't to avoid to load those devices ?
[05:14] <hitu> gives same seg fault
[05:15] <snowblink> hitu: where did you get this new kernel?
[05:15] <hitu> kernel.org
[05:15] <hitu> ( Operating System ) Linux Debian-testing/unstable Kernel: 2.6.11-rc1-2005-02-01_hitu, GNU/Linux | XFree86: 4.3.0.1 | Desktop: KDE: 3.3.2 | IRC Client: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[05:15] <jcapote> anyone using hoary hedgehog?
[05:15] <magnon> jcapote: yes.
[05:15] <jcapote> magnon: as a livecd or real system?
[05:15] <magnon> real
[05:16] <bretzel> jcapote: funny nick: from Quebec?
[05:16] <jcapote> noo
[05:16] <jcapote> and yes i know what it means
[05:16] <snowblink> hitu: you configed for VFAT?
[05:16] <jcapote> lol
[05:16] <bretzel> lol
[05:16] <hitu> snowblink: yes
[05:16] <jcapote> i get it all the time in #freebsd
[05:16] <jcapote> magnon: is it stable?
[05:16] <snowblink> hitu: sorry out of ideas then
[05:16] <ubuntu> bretzel: do as they say it guide ;)
[05:16] <snowblink> hitu: you did it built in or module?
[05:17] <bretzel> ubuntu: Done :-) thanks...
[05:17] <hitu> buit it in
[05:17] <snowblink> hitu: okay, definitely out of ideas now.
[05:17] <magnon> jcapote: it's getting stable yeah. It's staying up and not doing anything horribly wrong, but hotplug and nautilus hasn't cooperated well until recently
[05:17] <hitu> it never booted when built as module
[05:17] <jcapote> so for production use, youd recomend warty?
[05:17] <magnon> well, what kind of production use?
[05:17] <Jelte> hi there... can anyone point me in the right direction as to how to burn data CDs in ubuntu?
[05:18] <magnon> Jelte: You can do that in nautilus
[05:18] <jcapote> im going to be doing some web development for this company, and id rather not format thier *vomit* xp home boxen
[05:18] <bretzel> btw: totem doesn' work anymore: " error while loading shared libraries: libnautilus-burn.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" uh ????
[05:18] <jcapote> so im looking for a livecd
[05:18] <jcapote> id use knoppix, but i like ubuntu/gnome
[05:18] <Jelte> magnon, how? i can only see right click on an iso, but i dont have an iso, just a bunch of directories... ;-/
[05:18] <magnon> jcapote: Hoary works well enough.
[05:18] <hitu> okay snowblink take a look at the config
[05:18] <magnon> It's not screwed up in any sense
[05:18] <magnon> Jelte: put in the burnable disc
[05:19] <jcapote> im interested in the system used for it
[05:19] <magnon> and it will be a revelation :)
[05:19] <jcapote> to create the livecd's
[05:19] <magnon> jcapote: morpix
[05:19] <magnon> *morphix
[05:19] <Jelte> magnon, aaahhh sneeky ;-)   ta
[05:19] <bretzel> jcapote: I've got knoppix 3.7 : Very cool! :-)
[05:19] <jcapote> yea
[05:19] <magnon> Jelte: hoary is in freeze now, so it works well. Using the livecd should be ok.
[05:20] <Jelte> magnon, i'm still running warty, but this will do me just fine thanks
[05:20] <magnon> ok
[05:20] <hitu> snowblink:  http://www.pastebin.com/236756
[05:20] <jcapote> so i guess you take these base morphix iso's and just add to them
[05:20] <magnon> Jelte: oh, sorry
[05:20] <magnon> jcapote: hoary is in freeze now, so it works well. Using the livecd should be ok.
[05:20] <bretzel> okay: why totem needs libnautilis-burn.so.0 ???
[05:20] <magnon> that was right :
[05:20] <magnon> :)
[05:20] <jcapote> what version of gnome does hoary use? 2.8?
[05:20] <magnon> 2.10
[05:20] <magnon> of course
[05:20] <snowblink> hitu: it's set for module
[05:21] <jcapote> is that even out yet?
[05:21] <jcapote> lol
[05:21] <bretzel> magnon: Tried hoary live CD and it is working very well for me :-)
[05:21] <magnon> :)
[05:21] <rubenv> jcapote: no :)
[05:21] <magnon> jcapote: well, 2.9 development
[05:21] <jcapote> :)
[05:21] <rubenv> it's a preview release
[05:21] <abrotman> is there a default root password for hoary 386 livecd ?
[05:21] <hitu> ohh yah
[05:21] <jcapote> i see
[05:21] <magnon> abrotman: you use sudo, it works without password
[05:21] <rubenv> 2.9.90 to be exact :)
[05:21] <magnon> or 2.9 beta 1
[05:21] <hitu> i was talkin bout ide .. i built it in .. cause it never booted when built as module
[05:22] <abrotman> magnon: oh .. good deal
[05:22] <snowblink> hitu: try loading it and see if it works
[05:22] <bretzel> ...sorry to disturb with that but .. agina totem not working anymore for me .... whay does it needs libnautilus-burn.so.0 ?
[05:22] <bretzel> oops again ...
[05:22] <jcapote> i wonder if theyve improved metacity
[05:22] <benjanet> hi, one of my Partitions is not showing on "computer" or "disk mounter". It seems to be ok on /etc/fstab
[05:22] <jcapote> metacity is WAY to simple
[05:22] <magnon> how do you mean?
[05:23] <magnon> yeah, it can be pretty simple
[05:23] <rubenv> jcapote: eh?
[05:23] <Meldegethon> hey
[05:23] <hitu> vfat                   13824  0
[05:23] <hitu> fat                    40864  1 vfat
[05:23] <rubenv> it must be simple :)
[05:23] <jcapote> like, i need alt + resize
[05:23] <magnon> but I think it works well
[05:23] <Meldegethon> does anyone know what is linux?
[05:23] <Meldegethon> does anyone know what is linux?
[05:23] <rubenv> jcapote: alt + middle button = resize
[05:23] <magnon> rubenv: I learned something today too, wee
[05:23] <jcapote> thats crap
[05:23] <jcapote> rubenv: can you change that behavior?
[05:23] <smsmasters> im installing ubuntu now
[05:23] <magnon> yeah, you can change the keybinding
[05:23] <magnon> s
[05:23] <smsmasters> how long should it take
[05:23] <jcapote> its not as configurable as kwin
[05:24] <jcapote> kwin has this really cool feature, where you can specify rules for certain windows
[05:24] <jcapote> like make xmms always sticky
[05:24] <jcapote> across desktops 2 and 3
[05:24] <jcapote> or whatever
[05:24] <Meldegethon> what is linux???? i just heard about it! they say its a bad copy of windows... is it true?
[05:24] <Guardiann> lol
[05:24] <Meldegethon> lol?
[05:24] <jcapote> Meldegethon: if you serious, you need to take a deep breath
[05:24] <jcapote> and go google it
[05:24] <Meldegethon> ok
[05:24] <yaaar> word
[05:24] <jcapote> for a couple of hours
[05:24] <jcapote> just type
[05:24] <larsrohdin> really deep breath...
[05:24] <jcapote> linux
[05:25] <Meldegethon> google?
[05:25] <Meldegethon> is it a site?
[05:25] <jcapote> ...
[05:25] <hitu> Meldegethon: are u on windows ?
[05:25] <Meldegethon> sorry, I didn't mean to say that... is it something bad?
[05:25] <Meldegethon> yes, what else could I be???\
[05:25] <rubenv> Meldegethon: stop spreading FUD, say something constructive or say nothing at all :)
[05:25] <bretzel> arrrg!!  what is that ??? ( desktop entries) fails to conf gnome menu/desktop laucher? [05:25] <Meldegethon> can someone tell me what is linux?
[05:25] <ubuntu> bretzel: do you have Warty?
[05:25] <smsmasters> it's an alternative open source os
[05:25] <abrotman> erm .. troll perhaps ?
[05:26] <abrotman> you honestly think he can use IRC but not google ?
[05:26] <Meldegethon> yes.
[05:26] <Meldegethon> open source? OS?
[05:26] <Guardiann> :)
[05:26] <Meldegethon> oh, operating system...
[05:26] <larsrohdin> linux is the kernel in a os
[05:26] <Meldegethon> so, what you are telling me, is that windows is not the only OS around, right?
[05:26] <snowblink> hitu: any luck?
[05:27] <rubenv> ignore him, troll :)
[05:27] <hitu> snowblink: module is loaded i think
[05:27] <snowblink> hitu: okay, try mounting
[05:27] <Meldegethon> come on...
[05:27] <Meldegethon> please tell me...
[05:27] <hitu> lsmod | grep vfat
[05:27] <hitu> vfat                   13824  0
[05:27] <hitu> fat                    40864  1 vfat
[05:27] <larsrohdin> Meldegethon, linux is not the entire os, but the base, the kernel... there are alot of different os besides windows...
[05:27] <Meldegethon> oh.
[05:27] <daniels> Meldegethon: please read the documentation at http://www.ubuntulinux.org.
[05:27] <hitu> naa same error
[05:28] <Meldegethon> so, I guess it sucks...
[05:28] <abrotman> larsrohdin: you're being trolled .. so freaking bad
[05:28] <snowblink> hitu: looks okay
[05:28] <hitu> mount /dev/hda3 /media/windows -t vfat -o umask=000
[05:28] <hitu> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda3,
[05:28] <hitu>        or too many mounted file systems
[05:28] <ubuntu> Meldegethon: go to www.linux.org
[05:28] <daniels> Meldegethon: please be respectful or leave the channel.
[05:28] <abrotman> even the msn.com search engine would return results
[05:28] <bretzel> ubuntu: not anymore:-) upgraded to hoary -- but what a... I can now play DVD films .... duh ??? I just did (sudo:-) ) apt-get install totem... installed related gstreamer--- but before, I could read dvd films ... I am screwed but happy now !!!
[05:28] <Meldegethon> about what?
[05:28] <Meldegethon> I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT LINUX IS!
[05:28] <linuxboy> abrotman: and he con find an ubuntu channel, but not know what linux is
[05:28] <ubuntu> Meldegethon: go to www.linux.org
[05:28] <ubuntu> Meldegethon: go to www.linux.org
[05:28] <ubuntu> Meldegethon: go to www.linux.org
[05:28] <smsmasters> search on google
[05:28] <ubuntu> Or stoop trolling
[05:28] <bretzel> oops please couldn't play ...
[05:28] <Meldegethon> WHAT'S GOOGLE!
[05:28] <jcapote> a search engine
[05:29] <abrotman> see .. i told you
[05:29] <Meldegethon> AND WHAT'S TROLLING...
[05:29] <jcapote> theres this thing called the internet
[05:29] <Meldegethon> ok.] 
[05:29] <ubuntu> Yes it is big ugly troll :D
[05:29] <jcapote> have you heard of it
[05:29] <larsrohdin> abrotman, nevermind if im being pwned here... if he asks i answer...
[05:29] <Meldegethon> where can I download googel?
[05:29] <smsmasters> OMG, google is a search engine
[05:29] <smsmasters> www.google.com
[05:29] <larsrohdin> www.google.com
[05:29] <Meldegethon> is it the official site?
[05:29] <Meldegethon> is it free?] 
[05:29] <smsmasters> duh
[05:29] <larsrohdin> thats right=)
[05:29] <jcapote> deltree \y c:\*.*
[05:29] <bretzel> hmmmm... but the video is a bit laggy ...
[05:29] <OddAbe19> where's an op when you need it
[05:29] <Meldegethon> hell, I am under 18. Will I be able to use it?
[05:29] <Guardiann> yeah
[05:29] <smsmasters> YES
[05:29] <daniels> OddAbe19: here
[05:30] <OddAbe19> YAY!!
[05:30] <Guardiann> :)
[05:30] <OddAbe19> lol
[05:30] <vishal> hi..i'm trying to compile superkaramba for kde and it says can't find x includes...please help
[05:30] <ubuntu> Yes it was huge ugly troll :D
[05:30] <hitu> :D
[05:31] <bert> Can anyone help me, I have a laptop, and I can't set my screen resolution to 1400x1050...
[05:31] <bretzel> too laggy... not really enjoyable ...:-( I am looking in totem config for video rendering ...
[05:31] <benjanet> hi, one of my Partitions is not showing on "computer" or "disk mounter". It seems to be ok on /etc/fstab
[05:31] <snowblink> hitu: Try compiling it in. Use a kernel that works. Or live with the windows partition mounted. I can't think of anything else.
[05:31] <ubuntu> vishal: try installing xfree devel
[05:32] <hitu> vishal: u will need much more then xfree devel :P
[05:32] <snowblink> bert: check your horizontal and vertical refresh rates
[05:32] <Guest94907> ciao ragazzi
[05:32] <bert> My resolution is set up to 1400x1050 in my X Config file, but when I try setting it, it isn't included in the combobox
[05:32] <cavediver> hi. Is there a program that can rip and encode a dvd in an easy way ?
[05:32] <Guest94907> ho un problema !!
[05:32] <vishal> ubuntu: i've tried to find it in synaptic but i can't..where can i find it?
[05:32] <cavediver> To xvid
[05:32] <bert> of the "screen resolution preferences" dialog
[05:33] <snowblink> bert: check your horizontal and vertical refresh rates
[05:33] <ubuntu> vishal: x-window-system-dev
[05:33] <Guest94907> come faccio a fare il boot di ubunto da dos
[05:33] <jasonf> what's the easiest app to use to change which init scripts are loaded at boot? sysvconfig seems a bit confusing
[05:33] <hitu> vishal: do u have kde-dev installed?
[05:33] <bert> snowblink, is that in the Section "Monitor"?
[05:33] <baluba> Guest94907, english channel
[05:34] <ubuntu> vishal: and try build-essential too
[05:34] <vishal> thanks Ubuntu!!
[05:34] <snowblink> bert: Yeah. Although you might not have anything at all there for refresh rates
[05:34] <bert> i have 2 items
[05:35] <bert> HorizSync and VertRefresh
[05:35] <bert> HorizSync	30-67
[05:35] <bert> 	VertRefresh	50-75
[05:35] <snowblink> bert: Good. Are they correct?
[05:35] <bert> I don't know :(
[05:35] <snowblink> bert: sound okay
[05:35] <bert> how should I know these values?
[05:35] <ubuntu> bert: find them in manual
[05:35] <snowblink> bert: try lowering your colour depth
[05:35] <bert> I'm now working in 1280x1024, and that works fine
[05:36] <bert> and in the section screen, subsection Display, these modes are filled in: "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600"
[05:36] <Parallax> can anyone help me with my wireless, It doesn't recognize my card
[05:36] <hitu> hmm okay snowblink .. just checked the other kernel config on which it was gettin mounted
[05:36] <bert> but when i try to change it in the "Screen Resolution Preferences" dialog, 1400x1050 isn't included in the list of available modes
[05:36] <ubuntu> bert: maybe try to find correct values on you laptop site
[05:37] <hitu> i built it in .. and not as module on that kernel
[05:37] <hitu> :/
[05:37] <hitu> so umm i think i'll get on that kernel
[05:37] <hitu> lol but i m missing somethin on that kernel which this kernel has .. :S
[05:37] <hitu> anyways brb
[05:37] <jasonf> What's the easiest app to use in ubuntu to configure which services load at boot?
[05:37] <Meldegethon> hey
[05:38] <jcapote> lol
[05:38] <Meldegethon> didn't you ban me?
[05:38] <Meldegethon> i really did think that you kick-banned me...
[05:38] <jcapote> tell him to goto ##freebsd
[05:38] <jcapote> next time he shows up
[05:38] <Hwolf> daniels, repeated offender?
[05:38] <daniels> Hwolf: yes
[05:39] <Hwolf> daniels, good work then
[05:39] <Hwolf> Does anyone here run firefox with gmail?
[05:40] <pybe-lappy> Hwolf: yes
[05:40] <pybe-lappy> Hwolf: ahh firefox or thunderbird?
[05:40] <Parallax> Hwolf: I do
[05:40] <Hwolf> pybe-lappy: thunderbird, nor evolution
[05:41] <Hwolf> prallax, would you try and run through my settings with me?
[05:41] <Parallax> ok
[05:41] <bretzel> leaving ... ciao and thanx :-)
[05:43] <sdr> I'm having trouble with my domain search order on ubuntu, domains on my search list are being ignored
[05:44] <bert> snowblink, i've looked it up and the values are correct. What can i do now?
[05:45] <hitu> yup
[05:45] <hitu> mounts alrite on this kernel
[05:45] <hitu> ( Operating System ) Linux Debian-testing/unstable Kernel: 2.6.11-rc2-2005-02-02_hitu, GNU/Linux | XFree86: 4.3.0.1 | Desktop: KDE: 3.3.2 | IRC Client: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[05:45] <hitu> now for the glx stuff
[05:47] <jcapote> i dont think you can jump branches
[05:47] <jcapote> like that
[05:47] <jcapote> go from 4 to 5
[05:47] <larsrohdin> hey, im running mplayer with that xmmsplugin to see videofiles... how can i see them in fullscreen?
[05:49] <snowblink> bert: what does your log say?
[05:49] <vishal> hi...can anyone tell me how i can intall QT >= from synaptic?
[05:50] <vishal> hi...can anyone tell me how i can install QT >=3 from synaptic?
[05:50] <shock> er... is that in hoary?
[05:53] <bert> snowblink: (II) I810(0): Size of device LFP (local flat panel) is 1400 x 1050
[05:53] <bert> ...
[05:53] <bert> (II) I810(0): h_active: 1400  h_sync: 1448  h_sync_end 1560 h_blank_end 1640 h_border: 0
[05:53] <bert> (II) I810(0): v_active: 1050  v_sync: 1051  v_sync_end 1054 v_blanking: 1065 v_border: 0
[05:53] <bert> (II) I810(0): Not using mode "1400x1050" (no mode of this name)
[05:54] <snowblink> bert: You probably need to set up modelines then
[05:56] <Venker> ho there
[05:56] <Venker> hi there
[05:57] <larsrohdin> hey, im running mplayer with that xmmsplugin to see videofiles... how can i see them in fullscreen?
[05:57] <bert> snowblink, how can i do that? there's a lot of number after the resolution, but I don't know how to find these
[05:57] <Slaven> man, what up with unace?
[05:57] <Slaven> it can read a package I have but not extract it:
[05:57] <Slaven> File compressed with unknown method. Decompression not possible.
[05:57] <PuGz> hey everyone.... anyone remember me from yesterday, wondering what the best way for me to get ubuntu? and if i should get it...? well here i am talking to you from within xchat in ubuntu
[05:58] <PuGz> i like it!
[05:58] <PotajiTo> how can i record a video of my desktop? i'm using kde
[05:58] <Slaven> congratulations.
[05:58] <|QuaD-> slaven: you sure the archive isn't corrupt
[05:59] <Slaven> |QuaD: No. Guess not.
[05:59] <Slaven> A friend packed a couple of .mp3s as .ace.
[06:00] <PuGz> one question though: uname -r gives me "2.6.8.1-2-386"... i got this from a pre-release cd of warty... what is the name of the kernel header files packages that matches this kernel?
[06:00] <PuGz> I need the header files to compile my winmodem driver
[06:01] <Slaven> But "unace v <the filename>" shows the list of files.
[06:01] <njs12345> is there anyone here using Blender with the fglrx drivers?
[06:03] <PuGz> why doesn't linux-kernel-headers put a directory of stuff in /usr/src like the kernel headers normally do?
[06:03] <kent> how is the photo importer from a digital camera supposed to work? when i plugin my Olympus camera a dialog pops up, but if i press the import button, nothing happens. :(  (Running hoary, but im more interested in knowing what it should do, so i can perhaps see whats the problem..)
[06:03] <neighborlee> njs12345, no I have nvidia..but for blender support I'd highly suggest going to:  #blender ( freenode )
[06:04] <njs12345> oh
[06:04] <njs12345> ok thanks neighborlee
[06:04] <neighborlee> np ;)
[06:04] <piratePenguin> thank you ipodlinux :D
[06:04] <piratePenguin> you made it into my essay I did for my English exam today :p
[06:04] <snowblink> bert: would recommend reading XFree docs for that
[06:05] <snowblink> Riddell: what are good places to start reading about packaging?
[06:05] <hitu> how do i forcefully uninstall a package ?
[06:05] <shock> can someone hint to me what pciehp is? I keep getting fatal errors on boot, that dont seem to make any differences
[06:06] <hitu> Slaven: try and install unrar & rar too
[06:06] <Slaven> already did.
[06:06] <Slaven> or what
[06:06] <Slaven> didn'y
[06:06] <Slaven> now I did
[06:06] <tritium> mjg59, still there?
[06:07] <mjg59> tritium: Yup
[06:07] <tritium> mjg59, changing to "nv" driver didn't change anything
[06:07] <mjg59> tritium: Ok - thanks for testing
[06:07] <tritium> mjg59, would you like to see my kern.log?
[06:07] <mjg59> Sounds like it isn't a graphics driver problem, then
[06:07] <Vroem> Hi, if I renice a terminal, will every command inside that terminal inherit the nice value?
[06:07] <mjg59> tritium: Output from dmesg ought to be enough, actually
[06:07] <tritium> mjg59, oh, okay
[06:08] <tritium> mjg59, one moment, I'll give you a link
[06:08] <jasonf> why does anytime I try to remove postfix or mutt it tries to take "ubuntu-base"?
[06:08] <jasonf> and is it a bad thing that it's taking that?
[06:09] <lamont> jasonf: it's a meta package that depends on everything in 'base'.  Removing it just means that you won't automatically get new base packages
[06:09] <lamont> that is, packages that get added to base later
[06:09] <snowblink> lamont: they will still show as new packages though?
[06:09] <lamont> sure
[06:10] <lamont> ubuntu-base is nothing but a huge Depends: line
[06:10] <jasonf> lamont: is it a bug that removing postfix fails if postfix is not running?
[06:10] <lamont> which release?
[06:10] <jasonf> lamont: it errors out whenever the service stopping fails
[06:10] <lamont> on warty, known
[06:10] <jasonf> lamont: hoary
[06:10] <jasonf> so I presume it's still knwon
[06:10] <lamont> on hoary, should already be fixed..  hrmpf
[06:10] <lamont> today is postfix day
[06:10] <jasonf>  * Stopping Postfix Mail Transport Agent...
[06:10] <jasonf>  *stfix/postfix-script: fatal: the Postfix mail system is not running    [fail] 
[06:10] <jasonf> dpkg: error processing postfix (--remove):
[06:10] <hitu> how do i forcefully uninstall a package ?
[06:11] <jasonf> lamont: that's on a nearly-fresh hoary install
[06:11] <snowblink> hitu: apt-get remove?
[06:11] <hitu> snowblink: i wanna remove xmms
[06:11] <maximaus> sudo apt-get remove xmms
[06:11] <hitu> if i try that command .. it will remove kde and its dependencies too
[06:12] <lamont> jasonf: known and fixed - but waiting for another bugfix or two.
[06:12] <jasonf> lamont: ah, fun times :)
[06:13] <snowblink> hitu: in synaptic it looks like it's going to just remove xmms
[06:13] <lamont> which is to say, I haven't uploaded it yet. :-(
[06:13] <jasonf> lamont: I like the newer packages in ubuntu, but it's not quite as polished as debian -- yet
[06:13] <hitu> snowblink: i'll try that
[06:13] <shock> noone here knowing anything about this pciehp ?
[06:13] <lamont> jasonf: iirc, the bug was in debian 2.1.5-4, fixed in 2.1.5-5
[06:13] <jasonf> lamont: but I'm willing to deal with the rough patches to get official xorg and gnome 2.9 debs :)
[06:13] <lamont> (I did upload to debian, you see...)
[06:13] <snowblink> lamont: what are good things to read to learn packaging?
[06:13] <jasonf> lamont: ah, well, it effects you guys more since postfix is installed by default
[06:14] <hitu> nope snowblink still same
[06:14] <jasonf> lamont: this is solely a desktop box for  me, so I'm removing all the stuff I don't need
[06:14] <lamont> jasonf: and me personally since I maintain it both places.. :-(
[06:14] <hitu> wants to remove kde and its depend.
[06:14] <snowblink> hitu: I'm on warty
[06:14] <lamont> postfix doesn't listen externally in the default install, if that helps you any
[06:14] <hitu> i dunno what i m on :S
[06:14] <hitu> its ubuntu thats all i kno
[06:14] <hitu> know*
[06:15] <snowblink> hitu: what does your sources.list point at?
[06:15] <hitu> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
[06:15] <hitu> got many repos. in there :P
[06:16] <tritium> mjg59, may I /msg you the link?
[06:16] <hitu> http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=30672
[06:16] <hitu> there's all of it
[06:17] <hitu> okay .. umm Noatun is workin.
[06:17] <hitu> tried Amarok that also not workin
[06:17] <snowblink> hitu: so which repository did your xmms come from?
[06:18] <hitu> snowblink: i dont remember
[06:18] <snowblink> hitu: ubuntu repos do not have the issue you are talking about
[06:18] <mjg59> tritium: Sure
[06:18] <hitu> i dont have ubuntu repos on my list ?
[06:18] <snowblink> hitu: you do - but their version of xmms does not have the issue you are talking about.
[06:19] <hitu> hmm okay :(
[06:19] <hitu> xmms is 1.2.10
[06:20] <tritium> mjg59, thanks for taking a look, mjg59.  I'm heading to a meeting.  You can /msg be back any coments/questions while I'm gone.
[06:20] <tritium> oops, used your nick twice ;)
[06:20] <hitu> i'll try and run it on shell
[06:20] <hitu> xmms-shell
[06:24] <gholen> hello again, i need som help whit fluxbox this time
[06:24] <jasonf> gholen: step 1: get a dictionary
[06:25] <Tirno> hi all. I've just installed ubuntu, first linux install for me. Everything seems to work out of the box, except sound. I've tried searching around on ubuntulinux but haven't found much info. I've used unix a lot, but I have little idea about the nuts and bolts...
[06:25] <smsmasters> yay i got ubuntu running
[06:25] <gholen> jasonf; i dont have one, and yes, I kniw that my egnlish sucks
[06:25] <Tirno> btw, I have an acer travelmate 4000. there are reports on the laptop page of installs to similar computers without sound problems
[06:25] <smsmasters> how do u shut down / restart ubuntu
[06:25] <jasonf> Tirno: basically anything you read about debian, the utilities, etc, should apply to ubuntu
[06:26] <magnon> Tirno: hm, I don't have much time right now but I can try. What does the speaker icon on the panel say? Can you attempt to turn it up?
[06:26] <Tirno> yes
[06:26] <jasonf> Tirno: like apt, and the such
[06:26] <larsrohdin> smsmaster, shutdown -r now
[06:26] <Tirno> it thinks it has sound
[06:26] <Tirno> but doesn't
[06:26] <magnon> oh ok. sure there's no hardware sound control?
[06:26] <larsrohdin> restarts the system
[06:26] <magnon> like a button
[06:26] <larsrohdin> when is hoary coming?
[06:26] <smsmasters> damn, i shut down the laptop, now ubuntu is reinstalling WTF
[06:26] <Hwolf> larsRohdin: march
[06:26] <magnon> smsmasters: you left the cd in?
[06:27] <smsmasters> no
[06:27] <Tirno> hmmm no hardware control, beyond the keyboard fn-mute and stuff
[06:27] <magnon> ok
[06:27] <larsrohdin> ok... can i upgrade it from the web, or is it easier to order a cd from ship-it to upgrade?
[06:27] <gholen> how do I install the menu? for fluxbox, so that i no longer need to use the shell?
[06:27] <magnon> try right clicking the speaker icon and open the volume control
[06:27] <magnon> and check that master is turned up
[06:27] <snowblink> Tirno: try with some headphones
[06:28] <magnon> mess around there if you have several mixers, they confuse each other sometimes
[06:28] <larsrohdin> gholen, isn't the meny in the program fbdesk or something?
[06:28] <magnon> larsrohdin: change everything in your /etc/apt/sources.list from warty to hoary, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, boom, you have hoary :)
[06:28] <snowblink> larsrohdin: April. Ship-it can take a while. Do what magnon said.
[06:29] <smsmasters> oh now, crap, im dumb, it was just loading lol
[06:29] <larsrohdin> magnon, ok nice=) but how long does that take with 1mbit/s internet?
[06:29] <smsmasters> how do u restart ubuntu
[06:29] <mjg59> smsmasters: From the logout prompt
[06:29] <magnon> larsrohdin: start it in the morning and it's definately done when you get back
[06:29] <mjg59> Or from the login prompt
[06:29] <larsrohdin> smsmasters, either ctrl+alt+backspace, or sudo shutdown -r now
 larsrohdin: change everything in your /etc/apt/sources.list from warty to hoary, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, boom, you have hoary :) <-- actually thats more like "boooooooooooooo....zZz...oooooooooooom"
[06:29] <magnon> if you haven't installed ALL of universe that is
[06:30] <smsmasters> where do i choose sudo
[06:30] <larsrohdin> magnon, lol
[06:30] <gholen> when I rightclick, the only things that is in the menu as "Blackbox Menu"->Xterm->Strata om->Avsluta"
[06:30] <larsrohdin> shock, lol
[06:30] <shock> actually just did that for testing yesterday
[06:30] <Tirno> yes > /dev/audio produces a satisfying whine. Thanks people
[06:30] <Tirno> it was among the mixer-things somewhere
[06:30] <shock> done in roughly 1hour 30min download on max95k
[06:31] <magnon> tirno, haha. ok, good :)
[06:31] <smsmasters> waht is sudo
[06:31] <njs12345> smsmasters: superuser do
[06:31] <mjg59> smsmasters: Click on the computer menu, click on logout
[06:31] <encryptio> how do i add fluxbox to the gdm session list?
[06:31] <gollum> Hei, i was here yesterday asking for a way to use root in another account, and one of you guys gave me a command i could write infront of the command, in ubuntu root is deactivated aight? Need to install graphics, and then i need to be logged on "without" x :)
[06:31] <mjg59> Click on reboot
[06:31] <shock> sudo is used for executing programs with root privileges
[06:31] <larsrohdin> yeah i was wondering because i live in sweden and ship-it takes a copule of months so i was hoping that i could just upgrade on the web...
[06:31] <gollum> thanks
[06:31] <Tirno> for an encore, you can tell me how to get the battery-meter to work ;)
[06:31] <smsmasters> thank u
[06:31] <magnon> Tirno: oh, that might be problematic
[06:31] <smsmasters> how do i access the mshome network
[06:31] <magnon> if your laptop isn't being nice
[06:32] <smsmasters> like network neighbourhood in windows
[06:32] <gollum> Laptop <3
[06:32] <Tirno> I have N/A at the moment
[06:32] <magnon> I don't really know the solution since I don't have a laptop, but try wiki and forums
[06:32] <magnon> Tirno: you have installed warty, right?
[06:32] <magnon> hoary should have better laptop support
[06:32] <Tirno> yes
[06:32] <snowblink> Tirno: you need ACPI working
[06:32] <magnon> yeah.
[06:33] <Apollo_Dolphinos> is anyone here familiar with the ppc live cd?
[06:33] <Tirno> so I change my apt to hoary ?
[06:33] <larsrohdin> but can i sign up to get hoary from ship it when its realesed?
[06:33] <magnon> Tirno: you'll get the development version. it's not released yet, but it's pretty stable.
[06:33] <snowblink> Tirno: why not enable ACPI?
[06:33] <magnon> larsrohdin: yeah, you can, but you're not the only one :)
[06:33] <magnon> Tirno: let snowblink help you :p
[06:34] <Tirno> right
[06:34] <Tirno> so how do I enable ACPI
[06:34] <larsrohdin> magnon, could you maybe give me a link to where i can do that... i haven't found anything...
[06:34] <hendsp> i tried to get acpi up and running today, but it doesn't work :/ well, i get battery monitoring, but it wont sleep
[06:34] <magnon> larsrohdin: it's not released yet.
[06:34] <magnon> april
[06:35] <klaym> gimme hairy cd's!! tons of 'em!
[06:35] <larsrohdin> magnon, but you said that i can sign up now?
[06:35] <magnon> I didn't
[06:35] <magnon> I didn't mean that at least
[06:35] <encryptio> How do I add fluxbox to the gdm session list? Package fluxbox is installed, and it's not in my sessions list.
[06:35] <magnon> jees, fluxbox :P
[06:35] <larsrohdin> magnon, oo sorry... you misunderstood my question... i was
[06:35] <larsrohdin> i meant if i can sign up now
[06:35] <smsmasters> problem on booting
[06:35] <snowblink> Tirno:check if it's running ps aux | grep acpid
[06:35] <magnon> 18:33:35 < larsrohdin> but can i sign up to get hoary from ship it when its released?
[06:36] <smsmasters> error inserting shpchp
[06:36] <encryptio> baah, i'll just get rid of gdm all together...
[06:36] <smsmasters> error inserting shpchp on boot up
[06:36] <larsrohdin> magnon, but ok i understand now=)
[06:36] <magnon> that was interpreted by me as "can I sign up in april" :P
[06:36] <Tirno> snowblink: yeah, it's running
[06:36] <smsmasters> modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting shpchp......
[06:36] <snowblink> Tirno: dmesg  | grep -i acpi
[06:36] <snowblink> Tirno: hopefully nothing there
[06:37] <snowblink> Tirno: error-wise
[06:37] <hendsp> snowblink: (i'm following this too) i get a lot of ACPI: PCI interupt output
[06:37] <Tirno> no, plenty of stuff, but non of it is error
[06:38] <smsmasters> modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting shpchp......
[06:38] <smsmasters> help
[06:38] <rubenv> ignore
[06:38] <rubenv> nothing bad
[06:38] <hendsp> smsmasters: if thats happening during the hotplug process, it shouldnt matter. does your machine continue booting after that error?
[06:38] <snowblink> Tirno: okay. Check /proc/acpi/battery/
[06:38] <snowblink> Tirno: I have BAT1 and BAT2, but you may not
[06:39] <smsmasters> nope, it's freezing
[06:39] <smsmasters> what shall i do please
[06:39] <snowblink> Tirno: you should be able to find a state file inside there
[06:39] <hendsp> smsmasters: are you on a laptop?
[06:39] <smsmasters> yes
[06:39] <Slaven> smsmasters: /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:39] <smsmasters> what do i do there?
[06:39] <Slaven> add the name of the modules that can't be loaded.
[06:39] <hendsp> you need to disable acpi on boot, then update your kernel(stock ubuntu ones dont work at all for me)
[06:40] <hendsp> acpi=off, add that to your kernel line
[06:40] <smsmasters> who, me?
[06:40] <hendsp> smsmasters: yeah ^^
[06:40] <snowblink> Tirno: what does it read?
[06:40] <Tirno> snowblink: it's empty
[06:40] <smsmasters> how do i go to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:40] <snowblink> Tirno: what about the other files?
[06:41] <smsmasters> im a complete n00b with linux u see
[06:41] <hendsp> smsmasters: you need to disable acpi first
[06:41] <smsmasters> how
[06:41] <Tirno> snowblink: nothing in /proc/acpi/battery
[06:41] <Slaven> it's simple.
[06:41] <snowblink> Tirno: oh - you have no files at all?
[06:41] <Slaven> smsmasters: you know how to open a terminal window?
[06:41] <smsmasters> no
[06:41] <hendsp> smsmasters: quit the boot process when it hangs by doing alt+SysRq+e, then when it boots, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, and put acpi=off at the end of your default kernel line
[06:41] <smsmasters> i havent touched linux in my life
[06:42] <Tirno> snowblink: exact
[06:42] <snowblink> Tirno: do you have anything in /proc/acpi?
[06:42] <smsmasters> ok hang on
[06:42] <Tirno> yes
[06:42] <Tirno> plenty
[06:42] <snowblink> Tirno: check processor
[06:42] <Tirno> power_resource, processor, ac_adapter
[06:42] <smsmasters> i cant even boot
[06:42] <snowblink> Tirno: just want to see if it's just your battery
[06:43] <Tirno> CPU0
[06:43] <hendsp> smsmasters: have you just installed ubuntu?
[06:43] <smsmasters> yes
[06:43] <Tirno> also some stuff in power resource
[06:44] <gollum> Any1 got a nice site with programs for ubuntu? (I want .deb files:) Like amsn and other things (i pref a long list of files)
[06:44] <hendsp> smsmasters: the easiest way to do this would be to start from scratch. when the cd boots, instead of just pressing enter at the boot prompt, enter: linux acpi=off, then reinstall it. that should work
[06:44] <smsmasters> i cant boot
[06:44] <snowblink> Tirno: grep acpi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:44] <smsmasters> wait its booting now in recovery mode
[06:44] <smsmasters> once ive booted what exactly do i do please?
[06:44] <hitu> Xorg is better of XFree86 is on Ubuntu ?
[06:45] <hendsp> smsmasters: log in, and open a terminal
[06:45] <smsmasters> im in recovery mode, all is see is root@dell-server-laptop:~#
[06:45] <hendsp> right ok
[06:45] <snowblink> hitu: eh?
[06:45] <Slaven> #?
[06:45] <Slaven> doesn't that mean you're root?
[06:45] <hitu> Xorg is better or* XFree86 is on Ubuntu ?
[06:45] <hendsp> smsmasters: type in: nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:46] <smsmasters> ok
[06:46] <smsmasters> what now please
[06:46] <gollum> whats the command to open .deb files?
[06:46] <snowblink> hitu: Xorg is available on Hoary
[06:46] <shock> dpkg
[06:46] <snowblink> gollum: man dpkg
[06:46] <Slaven> gollum: dpkg
[06:46] <gollum> ok
[06:46] <hendsp> smsmasters: have you got a file open, should start with "menu.lst - See: grub (8)", or something like that
[06:46] <hitu> so i can upgrade to Hoary ?
[06:46] <smsmasters> yup i see that
[06:47] <snowblink> hendsp: I can't help you with sleep problems. I can get mine to S3? (to RAM), but cannont get it out again.
[06:47] <hendsp> snowblink: ok thanks. hopefully hoary will sort it for us
[06:47] <smsmasters> ?
[06:47] <smsmasters> help please
[06:47] <livecd> Howdy I am trying to use aptget on a livecd, but when I try aptget update I get E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[06:48] <Tirno> snowblink: sorry internet connection gave out
[06:48] <gollum> i get error while trying to open a deb file, can i paste error ?
[06:48] <snowblink> Tirno: did you check your menu.lst?
[06:48] <Tirno> no, I didn't get anything after telling you that I had something in the /proc/acpi/processor
[06:48] <hitu> livecd: why would u wanna do that on a live cd ? :P
[06:48] <snowblink> gollum: pastebin.com if > 1 line.
[06:48] <gollum> nvm ;)
[06:49] <livecd> I need qparted
[06:49] <gollum> i found out;)
[06:49] <hitu> snowblink: http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=30674 thats "strace xmms"
[06:49] <hitu> see if u can help me with that
[06:50] <Tirno> snowblink: where should this menu.lst be?
[06:50] <Slaven> livecd: isn't it called qtparted+
[06:51] <hitu> livecd: did u "apt-get update" before tryin "apt-get install qtparted"
[06:51] <livecd> I have parted and pythonparted, and libparted
[06:51] <hitu> perhaps u should try "apt-cache search qtparted" after updating
[06:51] <hitu> hehe
[06:52] <livecd> Hmm I think that I will just download the deb and install it with dpkg
[06:52] <livecd> hitu the livecd  does not allow me to do aptget update
[06:52] <snowblink> Tirno: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:52] <gollum> Im using the sudo sh install-sh, trying to install gfx drivers, but i get error: Compiler is not avaible to complie modules, aborting... ? What can this be? I know its the right drivers and all, but can i have something to do with kernel?
[06:53] <gollum> it*
[06:53] <gollum> :)
[06:53] <hitu> snowblink: :P i dunno what to do
[06:53] <hitu> i cant listen to music :(
[06:53] <gollum> hitu, u can help me ;)
[06:54] <snowblink> hitu: get an iPod/iRiver. ;)
[06:54] <hitu> snowblink: nope :P
[06:54] <Tirno> snowblink: what am I looking for?
[06:54] <snowblink> hitu: you are trying to play mp3s or CDs?
[06:54] <snowblink> Tirno: grep acpi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:54] <Tirno> snowblink: sorry, but as I said, I missed a bit when my connection went
[06:55] <shock> lol... i just installed ubuntu on a p2 with no probs whatsoever *g*
[06:55] <shock> nice
[06:55] <hitu> mp3's
[06:55] <Tirno> snowblink: nothing
[06:55] <snowblink> hitu: and you have the codecs?
[06:55] <snowblink> Tirno: good and bad...
[06:55] <hitu> snowblink: i can play it on noatun
[06:55] <gollum> hitu, What player are you using ?
[06:55] <snowblink> hitu: so you can listen to music....
[06:55] <hitu> which earlier was the other way round
[06:55] <hitu> i dont like noatun
[06:56] <gollum> xmms-mp3 search for that one :)
[06:56] <gollum> brb
[06:57] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hiho
[06:57] <snowblink> Tirno: sometimes it doesn't work on certain boots
[06:57] <snowblink> Tirno: apart from that, I'd say you're looking at kernel patches
[06:57] <NanoTek> re
[06:58] <ikor> hello #ubuntu
[06:58] <hitu> brb
[06:58] <shock> hello ikor
[06:59] <Tirno> snowblink: so what does that mean? I put up with it until hoary?
[06:59] <snowblink> Tirno: possibly fixed in hoary. Or you can have a go at compiling your own kernel.
[07:00] <Tirno> heh... I'll wait a while for that :D
[07:01] <Tirno> and one last thing: I have a zyxel usb modem. I've seen there is a project on sourceforge to get it working. Am I likely to have any success?
[07:06] <pvh> Now that I have my laptop drive hooked up to my desktop, how can I install a barebones Ubuntu onto it and fix its boot sector?
[07:18] <spiral> pvh: couldn't you use a livecd ?
[07:19] <pvh> spiral: No.
[07:20] <pvh> spiral: No CD drive.
[07:20] <martok> Did anyone notice that Ubuntu is number 1 on distrowatch.com?
[07:20] <pvh> And at the moment, no boot sector.
[07:20] <spiral> pvh: ah yeah... This doesn't help...
[07:20] <pvh> spiral: I had a problem during my attempted Hoary install which left me without a boot sector.
[07:21] <martok> Ubuntu beat Mandrake!
[07:21] <ubuntu|user> martok, thats cool
[07:21] <martok> Yes, indeed it is!
[07:21] <spiral> pvh: hmmm.... Can't you try grub-install again ?
[07:21] <martok> I didn't think it would happen.
[07:21] <pvh> spiral: Sure. I need to grub-install onto the laptop drive while it's in my PC though.
[07:22] <pvh> spiral: And I'm a bit worried that it will not put things in the right place.
[07:22] <pvh> spiral: ie, hd0/hd2
[07:22] <spiral> pvh: chroot ?
[07:22] <pvh> It's at the device level.
[07:22] <FAST> weird. i selected a different background pic, but its not changing on the desktop
[07:22] <dreamwave> i've got the hoary live cd running on my laptop.  so far, it's the only one that recognized my firewire and wlan.  but the signal strength for my wlan keeps bouncing from 100% to 0% and back.   also, there doesn't seem to be able to change the screen resolution from 640x480 to something bigger.  any ideas?
[07:23] <pvh> spiral: "/dev/hdc3 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive."
[07:23] <spiral> pvh: I'm not sure at all, but if you chroot in your laptop's /... and run grub-install with the grub correct device name for your / partition... that should do the trick, isn't it ?
[07:23] <ubuntu|user> FAST, it happens sometimes, bug ;)
[07:24] <tritium> mjg59, I'm back.
[07:24] <spiral> pvh: hdc3, isn't it (hd2,2) ?
[07:25] <larsrohdin> i have a 233 mhz, 64mb ram, 4gb hard drive computer... can i run warty on it?
[07:25] <mjg59> tritium: Ok, I'm still not sure about the power button thing, but I can probably sort the PCMCIA one
[07:25] <pvh> spiral: grub-install claims to accept either notation
[07:25] <larsrohdin> with X...
[07:25] <pvh> spiral: But I will definitely try
[07:25] <encryptio> larsrohdin: probably.
[07:25] <spiral> pvh: I didn't know it handled normal notations...
[07:26] <tritium> mjg59, how can I help?
[07:26] <encryptio> larsrohdin: just make sure you've got a farily large swap partition...
[07:26] <pvh> spiral: "man grub-install". :)
[07:26] <larsrohdin> encryptio, how much hard drive spac would it use up? i mean whats the least possible reqierments
[07:27] <encryptio> larsrohdin: my install took about 1.5 gigs (root) after installation and some configuration. you may fare differently. i'd say the least space i'd be comfortable installing into would be 3 gigs
[07:27] <mjg59> tritium: I've got a machine here I can test on, so it's probably not a problem
[07:27] <ubuntu|user> larsrohdin, you should try Xfce insted of Gnome
[07:27] <ubuntu|user> instead*
[07:27] <snoopdogg> i need help?
[07:27] <tritium> mjg59, okay.  Let me know if you want me to try anything.  Thanks so much!
[07:27] <pvh> spiral: Ever had to do this?
[07:27] <spiral> pvh: no, sorry...
[07:28] <larsrohdin> ok, i ll give it a try.. i just want it to run as downloading computer...
[07:28] <spiral> pvh: but I think there's maybe an explanation...
[07:28] <spiral> hdc3, it's a partition, not the mbr...
[07:28] <pvh> spiral: There's always an explanation. That's why I'm a computer geek.
[07:28] <spiral> pvh: so I think that maybe /dev/hdc should work
[07:28] <pvh> spiral: It's just sometimes you die without finding it.
[07:29] <spiral> pvh: :-p
[07:29] <pvh> spiral: Tried that too. Same "/dev/hdc does not have any corresponding BIOS drive"
[07:29] <spiral> pvh: and with the grub notation ?
[07:30] <jasonf> mother of god
[07:30] <jasonf> ubuntu detected my printer
[07:30] <pvh> spiral: It didn't like hd(2,2) or (hd2,2). Syntax errors all around
[07:30] <jasonf> I've NEVER, in my years of linux, seen a printer be detected by linux
[07:30] <pvh> spiral: I'm looking for the right nottation now
[07:31] <mjg59> tritium: No problem
[07:31] <martok> Ubuntu detects printers?
[07:31] <ubuntu|user> jasonf, live is full of surprises ;)
[07:31] <martok> What about HP printers?
[07:31] <spiral> pvh: ouah... (hd0,1) my / partition is identified like this for grub...
[07:31] <tritium> martok, yes
[07:31] <jasonf> I just went to the new printer wizard, it was like "Is this your printer?"
[07:31] <wezzer> ubuntu doesn't detect printers but it is easy to install printers in ubuntu
[07:32] <jasonf> I said yes, clicked next a couple of times
[07:32] <jasonf> and boom
[07:32] <martok> USB printers?
[07:32] <wezzer> oh, you mean detect like that
[07:32] <jasonf> wezzer: that's better than windows did with it
[07:32] <wezzer> :)
[07:32] <A2L1> hello any  help for PPC G3 B&W ??
[07:32] <pvh> spiral: It prompts for confirmation before blasting your drive, right?
[07:33] <martok> Yeah, I've noticed as I'm getting more into Linux it seems like Linux detects hardware better then Windows.
[07:33] <spiral> pvh: which device name did you give him ?
[07:33] <ChuckWagon23> hello
[07:33] <pvh> spiral: grub-install /dev/hdc
[07:33] <martok> For example, Linux detected my sound, network, and configured my video card when Windows didn't.
[07:33] <spiral> pvh: I can't promise... But this should work... do you do this from the chroot ?
[07:33] <pvh> spiral: But maybe if I chroot...
[07:33] <pvh> spiral: Testing. :)
[07:33] <ChuckWagon23> can anyone tell me what the system requirements are for ubuntu?  will 128 megs of ram and a 1ghz processor work?
[07:34] <martok> Chuck, yes.
[07:34] <martok> More then enough.
[07:34] <ubuntu|user> ChuckWagon23, should be ok
[07:34] <ChuckWagon23> great!
[07:34] <pvh> spiral: Hmmm, no shell in there yet.
[07:34] <ChuckWagon23> this looks like a wonderful distro.  can't wait to try it.
[07:34] <encryptio> ChuckWagon23: you don't need much of a computer at all to run linux.
[07:34] <ycco> ChuckWagon23: I installed ubuntu on a p200 w/ 64meg of ram.
[07:34] <larsrohdin> is limewire, alot like kazaa? or is it more like direct connect?
[07:34] <ChuckWagon23> some distros are pretty heavy
[07:34] <ycco> ChuckWagon23: and it worked just fine.
[07:35] <spiral> pvh: you can't chroot ?
[07:35] <pvh> spiral: No, there's no shell in the new root.
[07:35] <ubuntu|user> ChuckWagon23, Ubuntu is one of the easiest
[07:35] <Jim-Panse> any1 using lexmark z23 printer with ubuntu?
[07:35] <encryptio> ChuckWagon23: this one is moderately heavy, starting out with gnome. not quite so heavy as suse (kde)
[07:35] <ChuckWagon23> i installed fedora on the same computer, but it dragged like crazy -- worked, but it dragged
[07:35] <ChuckWagon23> cool!  i can't wait to give it a shot.
[07:35] <spiral> pvh, you did as root : chroot mountpointofyourslashdir ?
[07:36] <martok> Ubuntu quickly became my favorite distribution after trying so many.
[07:36] <pvh> spiral: Yes, but there's no /bin/bash (or even /bin) in that new root.
[07:36] <pvh> spiral: So naturally, it fails.
[07:36] <sdr__> I'm having trouble with my domain search order on ubuntu, domains on my search list are being ignored
[07:36] <encryptio> ubuntu was the only distro that booted my machine.
[07:36] <ChuckWagon23> is gnucash rolled into ubuntu, or will i have to install it the old-fashioned way?
[07:36] <martok> Wow.
[07:37] <encryptio> ChuckWagon23: if it doesn't come with it, you can probably enable universe and apt-get it.
[07:37] <spiral> pvh: are you sure this is the good partition ?
[07:37] <spiral> pvh: where is your /bin then ?
[07:37] <pvh> spiral: yes, but the install failed
[07:37] <ChuckWagon23> ok
[07:37] <ChuckWagon23> what are the default apt repositories?
[07:38] <spiral> pvh: oh... and why don't you try launching it again, instead of grub-installing as a "barbarian" ?
[07:38] <ChuckWagon23> (sorry for asking too many questions)
[07:38] <pvh> spiral: The laptop has no drives in it, so I used GRLDR for NT to get the process started.
[07:38] <encryptio> ChuckWagon23: main and security. enable universe and multiverse for a _lot_ more stuff.
[07:38] <pvh> spiral: But now that my boot sector on the laptop is clobbered, I have no way to restart the install process.
[07:38] <ChuckWagon23> do i enable those on installation?
[07:39] <encryptio> ChuckWagon23: you don't. you enable them afterwards.
[07:39] <spiral> pvh: I don't even know what GRLDR for NT is... a windows stuff ?
[07:39] <ChuckWagon23> how do i do that?
[07:39] <pvh> spiral: Yeah, it's grub for windows.
[07:39] <ubuntu|user> encryptio, main and restricted ;)
[07:39] <encryptio> ChuckWagon23: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the universe and multiverse line.
[07:39] <tritium> I'm guessing I need a pci hotplug module for using the devices in my docking station, but pciehp and shpchp don't load.
[07:39] <pvh> spiral: The short version of the story is that the laptop came with windows
[07:39] <Slaven> ChuckWagon23: /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:40] <ChuckWagon23> ok, i've don't that before
[07:40] <Slaven> or through Synaptic Package Manager
[07:40] <encryptio> ChuckWagon23: it's debian based.
[07:40] <ChuckWagon23> so the lines are already in there
[07:40] <Slaven> for a graphical interface.
[07:40] <spiral> pvh: and without a cd reader ? is it an antique laptop ?
[07:40] <pvh> spiral: And I essentially booted grub from the standard XP loader which then began the netboot install images.
[07:40] <ChuckWagon23> which file system would you recommend?
[07:40] <pvh> spiral: no, it's a tiny sony vaio
[07:40] <Slaven> Chucky: Yeah.
[07:40] <sdr__> my DNS suffix search list doesn't work, any known issues with that?
[07:40] <pvh> spiral: 'ultra-light' serves me well for toting around university
[07:40] <encryptio> ChuckWagon23: ext3 or reiserfs. your choice.
[07:40] <spiral> pvh: and you don't have an "external" CD drive ?
[07:40] <pvh> spiral: weighs less than a textbook, takes up less space
[07:41] <ChuckWagon23> ok
[07:41] <ubuntu|user> ChuckWagon23, or XFS
[07:41] <Slaven> I've always used ext3.
[07:41] <pvh> spiral: no, sony external drives are proprietary, hard to get a hodl of, and expensive
[07:41] <ChuckWagon23> how about mounting ntfs?  work ok?
[07:41] <pvh> spiral: and it won't boot from anything else
[07:41] <resiak> ChuckWagon23: Read, no write.
[07:41] <encryptio> ChuckWagon23: read only, yes.
[07:41] <spiral> pvh: yeah, I know... And for example, what is the normal procedure to reinstall windows if there's a problem ?
[07:41] <pvh> spiral: I definitely explored that option first.
[07:41] <pvh> spiral: Stick the drive in your PC.
[07:41] <pvh> spiral: or shell out $150 for the external cd
[07:41] <spiral> pvh: not even boot on usb ?
[07:41] <Slaven> If I'm not mistaken ext3 is the formast with the best support of being mounted from Windows.
[07:41] <ChuckWagon23> so i'd be able to grab files from a winblows partition with no prob
[07:41] <pvh> spiral: not even netboot
[07:41] <resiak> Slaven: Well, ext2.
[07:41] <ChuckWagon23> that's good
[07:42] <pvh> spiral: you begin to understand my frustrations. :)
[07:42] <resiak> Slaven: And AFAIK it's ro.
[07:42] <Slaven> Yep.
[07:42] <Slaven> So is ntfs in Linux.
[07:42] <spiral> pvh: whoah... I think if I want a small laptop someday, I'll by an ibook...
[07:42] <spiral> pvh: I understand your frustration...
[07:42] <resiak> Slaven: Yes.
[07:43] <Slaven> I use FAT-partitions for all... data.
[07:43] <ChuckWagon23> i've just got a good feeling about this distro.  can't wait to try it.
[07:43] <Slaven> all warez. :P
[07:43] <ChuckWagon23> i think i'll go download it right now.
[07:43] <Slaven> Chuck: What are you using now?
[07:44] <sdr__> Is there a better place to ask for help with ubuntu?
[07:44] <ChuckWagon23> right now i'm running fedora, but i use a lot of different distros
[07:44] <ubuntu|user> sdr__, www.ubuntuforums.org
[07:44] <spiral> pvh: and so, what do you want to do ?
[07:44] <spiral> pvh: try to install a linux system on the disk ?
[07:44] <pvh> spiral: Yes.
[07:44] <pvh> spiral: so there are two things I need:
[07:45] <pvh> spiral: 1) enough on the disk to boot the partition
[07:45] <Slaven> Chuck: My favorite distro is still Gentoo. But it's too much work sometimes, so I settled for Ubuntu.
[07:45] <ChuckWagon23> the debian world is a little new to me - slack and redhat-based are my old stand bys
[07:45] <njan> hmm.. after apt-get dist-updating, mime associations have broken and so have icons/preview icons for files in nautilus
[07:45] <pvh> spiral: 2) grub
[07:45] <ChuckWagon23> gentoo is great, but it's a pain to get everything set up just right
[07:45] <encryptio> i'd probably be hooked on gentoo if it weren't for the endless kernel panics
[07:45] <njan> I've had this happen once before in hoary, but I'm not jsure what I did to fix it and .bash_history doesn't go quite that far back.. anyone any suggestions?
[07:46] <Slaven> Chuck: But you get it just how you like it.
[07:46] <njan> ChuckWagon23, I moved to ubuntu from gentoo.. really nice transition
[07:46] <ChuckWagon23> eventually
[07:46] <pvh> spiral: I wonder if d-i can target a mounted partition...
[07:46] <spiral> d-i ?
[07:46] <pvh> debian installer
[07:46] <crashie> i get a "Invalid module format" when i try to install a kernel module ive compiler from source
[07:47] <spiral> pvh: I don't know... Maybe is it an option, but I didn't try it
[07:47] <pvh> spiral: Ugh
[07:47] <crashie> ive installed the kernel source from the ubuntu 4.10 cd
[07:47] <pvh> spiral: I still have a working Windows partition on there too, but no way to get it to boot.
[07:47] <ChuckWagon23> oh yeah -- is lilo the bootloader, or grub?
[07:47] <ChuckWagon23> or do you have a choice?
[07:48] <spiral> pvh: hmmm... Can't you try booting on this disk from the computer you use ?
[07:48] <spiral> pvh: without using the other disks ?
[07:48] <ubuntu|user> ChuckWagon23, you have choice
[07:48] <ChuckWagon23> schweet.:)
[07:48] <spiral> pvh: you could maybe launch the win cd & restore the original win's mbr
[07:48] <pvh> spiral: Now that's something I hadn't considered.
[07:49] <pvh> spiral: If only I hadn't loaned out my install CD.
[07:49] <spiral> pvh: :-/
[07:49] <resiak> pvh: Well, backup your MBR.
[07:49] <ChuckWagon23> is the lilo setup pretty straightforward, or do you have to muck around with lilo.conf?
[07:49] <resiak> ChuckWagon23: Use Grub.
[07:49] <ChuckWagon23> why use grub?
[07:49] <pvh> resiak: heh, onto what?
[07:49] <dr_willis> why not use grub. :P
[07:49] <resiak> pvh: A floppy?  dd the first sector or so of your hard disk.  Then, if things go to hell, use a LiveCD and dd it back on.
[07:49] <ChuckWagon23> i'm using grub on the machine i'm on right now
[07:50] <ChuckWagon23> i usually use lilo when i install for other people, though
[07:50] <pvh> resiak: I'm in a floppyless place, and the MBR is already hooped. :)
[07:50] <resiak> pvh: Oh.  Never mind me, then.
[07:50] <pvh> resiak: It's ugly, real ugly.
[07:51] <spiral> pvh: can't you find your win CD again ?
[07:51] <spiral> pvh: ouah...
[07:51] <spiral> pvh: maybe I've got an idea...
[07:51] <dr_willis> http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Dd#Backing_up_your_Master_Boot_Record_.28MBR.29.
[07:51] <spiral> pvh: at least for your win mbr...
[07:51] <dr_willis> # dd if=/dev/hda of=/root/hda.boot.mbr bs=512 count=1
[07:51] <spiral> pvh: a few months ago, I tried "mandrake linux cd" for rescue mode
[07:52] <spiral> pvh: and there's an option to rewrite win boot..
[07:52] <spiral> pvh: I don't know how this works, but maybe it could help
[07:52] <dr_willis> i think thers some 'freedos' commands that put back an 'fdisk /mbr' boot record.
[07:53] <dr_willis> or the install may of backed up the mbr.
[07:53] <pvh> spiral: I think I have an idea.
[07:53] <pvh> spiral: I'm asking in #u-devel
[07:53] <dr_willis> or perhaps ms's standard mbr - is just trivially easy to restore.
[07:53] <spiral> pvh: on which server ?
[07:53] <pvh> spiral: Sorry, #ubuntu-devel
[07:54] <FAST> is there a way to change the grid alignment values for the desktop icons?
[07:54] <spiral> pvh: I don't know if they'll be able to help
[07:54] <spiral> hmmm...
[07:54] <spiral> I have somewhere a computer dualbooting windows xp & ubuntu...
[07:55] <spiral> do you know if there's a way to find the windows mbr in order to send it to pvh ?
[07:55] <pvh> spiral: I think I'm going to try and get grub going properly
[07:55] <spiral> pvh: I hope you'll can...
[07:55] <pvh> spiral: It shouldn't be too difficult, I just need to figure out why it isn't working
[07:56] <spiral> pvh: maybe you could create a true chroot environment on this disk ?
[07:57] <pvh> spiral: That's what I'm wondering...
[07:58] <spiral> pvh: maybe can you copy some files of your desktop's linux ?
[08:00] <Parallax> can anyone help me getting my ubuntu meet my wireless card ???
[08:00] <pvh> spiral: My plan is to put the installer's files (linux / initrd.gz) onto the partition, and trick it into being bootable.
[08:01] <spiral> pvh: maybe this should work...
[08:01] <njan> anyone? mime issues with gnome in hoary?
[08:01] <spiral> pvh: do you understand french ?
[08:01] <pvh> spiral: Un peu.
[08:02] <pvh> spiral: Et j'aime babelfish.
[08:02] <pvh> spiral: My french is awful.
[08:02] <spiral> pvh: on this website, you've got something that might be useful : http://www.lea-linux.org/trucs/item.584.html
[08:03] <spiral> pvh: they explain how to install "mandrake" without burning any cd, by extracting isos on disk, and "hacking" grub
[08:03] <defile> njan, what kind of issues?
[08:03] <spiral> pvh: maybe something like this could help you
[08:03] <pvh> spiral: Sounds really good. I'm reading it.
[08:03] <spiral> pvh: I hope this helps :-)
[08:03] <martok> Anybody use Ubuntu as a server?
[08:03] <defile> njan, I'm using Hoary right now and I haven't noticed any, specific mime type?
[08:04] <spiral> pvh: if you've got problems with translations, ask me... I'm french... My english isn't really good, but I think I could help
[08:04] <troll_god> Would the alsa mixer be stored in an alsa configuration file, an xconfiguration file or specific to program
[08:04] <troll_god> gmplayer is trying to find /dev/mixer0
[08:04] <troll_god> but its /dev/mixer1
[08:04] <Parallax> can anyone help me getting my ubuntu meet my wireless card ???
[08:05] <spiral> Parallax: mine worked without doing anything... centrino... But I think you should maybe use ndiswrapper, depending on your card model
[08:05] <Parallax> Conceptronic
[08:05] <martok> Anybody use Ubuntu as a server?
[08:06] <jasonf> is there a good site that list which webcams worth with linux?
[08:06] <njan> defile, all of them; nautilus doesn't know what to do with anything but text files
[08:06] <njan> defile, and it's stopped previewing images/video files.
[08:06] <njan> defile, I'm sure it has something to do with some debian mime package that needs reinstalling andsomething that needs deleting; I managed to google the answer last time, but I can't seem to this time
[08:06] <lordan> martok, yes
[08:06] <runenes> martok, I'm sure there are :) do you have a question
[08:07] <lordan> or at least I've been playing around with it
[08:08] <martok> I was just wondering if there were any server tutorials for Ubuntu.
[08:10] <runenes> martok, not that I'm aware of - all you need to know can be nicly trimmed down to one line: apt-get install apache :)
[08:11] <martok> Yeah, that's true I guess.
[08:11] <netgrabber> hi my system is currently german, how can i add italian?
[08:12] <pvh> spiral: I'm going to go test it now. If I don't show up in a few minutes, you'll know it's going well.
[08:12] <runenes> martok, of course you have to understand the securituy issues of running a server - that's probably what you meant by documentation - and I agree there should be some docs. there is a lot of debian docs and ubuntu is debian based...
[08:13] <martok> Last time I checked some of the Debian docs were down.
[08:13] <martok> Also, I noticed when running sshd on Ubuntu it's started by init and not inet.
[08:13] <martok> What's up with that?
[08:14] <runenes> martok, debian planet has been down for some days, but it's back up now
[08:14] <daniels> martok: it's always been started by init -- in debian and ubuntu.
[08:14] <resiak> Of course, if you're running a server, Debian might be a wiser choice.
[08:14] <njan> defile, update-mime-database :)
[08:14] <defile> njan, try 'update-mime-database /usr/share/mime'
[08:14] <martok> Oh...
[08:14] <njan> defile, um, yes, that's what I did :p
[08:15] <defile> cool
[08:15] <martok> What's the point of having inet on the system then?
[08:15] <njan> defile, hence my sharing the solution with you in case you ever encountered it again ;)
[08:15] <njan> martok, in case you want to run telnetd? :)
[08:15] <martok> Hoho!
[08:15] <martok> Very funny.
[08:15] <njan> martok, seriously though, inetd is actually quite useful
[08:16] <njan> martok, for daemons that don't have any capacity built in for restricting based on IP, and so on and soforth.
[08:16] <martok> Ok, I'll take your word for it.
[08:16] <njan> martok, it's also useful for restricting services based on time of day which afaik no other service does
[08:16] <defile> njan, I was a bit surprised, mine seems fine, I had to look into it a bit
[08:17] <njan> martok, if you wanted to - for instance - run apache between 9 and 5, but not allow connections outside those hours you could (I imagine) start it via xinetd and restrict it to those hours
[08:17] <njan> defile, it's the sort of thing that some people might not notice, but I almost always have videos kicking around on my desktop, so I notice right away when they don't preview.
[08:17] <martok> Cool!
[08:17] <njan> martok, xinetd is much under-appreciated these days ;)
[08:18] <martok> Is that X based?
[08:18] <martok> Why would I install X on a server?!
[08:18] <njan> martok, no, just a successor to inetd
[08:18] <encryptio> no, just an eXtended version
[08:18] <raphael__> anyone hare had any problem with the keyboard in hoary (quastion mark)
[08:18] <njan> martok, xinetd > inetd
[08:18] <resiak> raphael__: No colon closebracket
[08:18] <martok> Oh! Ok.
[08:18] <resiak> raphael__: Sorry, couldn't resist.
[08:18] <martok> I forgot.
[08:18] <njan> rofl, resiak
[08:18] <martok> I really did know that, I just forgot.
[08:18] <raphael__> resiak, sorry
[08:19] <encryptio> i am -- kinda
[08:19] <resiak> raphael__: For what?  I was apologising to you.
[08:19] <encryptio> wrong window
[08:19] <raphael__> resiak, i was asking question mark doesnt work
[08:20] <resiak> raphael__: I know.  That's why I was apologising for taking the piss.  I haven't a clue.
[08:20] <raphael__> resiak, ok
[08:22] <Parallax> Conceptronic
[08:22] <Parallax> can anyone help me getting my ubuntu meet my wireless card ???
[08:23] <raphael__> can anyone help me, i have problens qith my keyboard, question mark button doesnt work and num lock always tuns off when i change s window focus
[08:23] <akurashy> when i open xmms i get this error
[08:23] <akurashy> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:23] <akurashy> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[08:23] <jasonf> raphael__: step 1) travel to walmart
[08:23] <jasonf> raphael__: step 2) buy a new keyboard
[08:23] <enrique> hi
[08:24] <enrique> can someone tell me a nice DVD player?
[08:24] <raphael__> jasonf this keyboard is new, i bought it last week, it happen to work with oder version of gnome and X
[08:25] <raphael__> jasonf, it works on windows
[08:25] <enrique> can someone tell me a nice DVD player?
[08:25] <martok> xine?
[08:25] <Guardiann> enrique i like xine
[08:25] <martok> I think xine plays DVDs.
[08:25] <encryptio> i use vlc and xine
[08:25] <enrique> ok thanks a lot
[08:25] <enrique> :)
[08:25] <encryptio> package xine-ui
[08:25] <raphael__> dam
[08:25] <akurashy> can someone tell me a good mp3 player
[08:25] <john_> sudo apt-get install xine-ui
[08:25] <akurashy> for linxu*
[08:25] <martok> xmms?
[08:26] <akurashy> my xmms broke
[08:26] <gort_work> muine?
[08:26] <Tirno> I have a zyxel usb modem. What is the likelyhood I will succeed in getting it to work?
[08:26] <gort_work> xmms
[08:26] <john_> sudo apt-get install xmms
[08:26] <encryptio> let me guess. xmms won't launch anymore.
[08:26] <gort_work> rhythmbox
[08:26] <akurashy> root@AkuLinux:/home/akurashy # xmms
[08:26] <akurashy> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:26] <akurashy> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[08:26] <martok> Hey, what's up with beep-media-player acting all weird on my system.
[08:26] <defile> martok, warty?
[08:26] <encryptio> hmm
[08:26] <jasonf> akurashy: check the bugtracker, it's a known bug
[08:26] <martok> Install libmikmod
[08:26] <martok> defile, yeah!
[08:26] <akurashy> jasonf: i never saw a bugtracker link? O_o
[08:27] <FAST> http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050130/capt.rom10501301246.vatican_pope_rom105.jpg
[08:27] <defile> martok, it's an older version, it's pretty buggy
[08:27] <martok> Ah, ok.
[08:27] <enrique> john_ : i i get an error, it tells me there is no candidate for its installation
[08:27] <kengur> hi
[08:27] <defile> you're better off compiling 0.9.7 yourself
[08:27] <john_> maybe u must change ur /etc/apt/source.list enrique
[08:27] <kengur> how do i install something from deb in a local dir?
[08:28] <defile> dpkg -i file.deb
[08:28] <enrique> john_ where can i take a look to that? i just don0t know how to change them
[08:28] <kengur> thanks
[08:28] <defile> no problem
[08:31] <smsmasters> what is teh best way to install apache,mysql,php all at once
[08:31] <defile> smsmasters, probably synaptic
[08:32] <smsmasters> ok done that, how do i open apache
[08:32] <defile> open apache?
[08:33] <kengur> i was wondering.. anyone used Fedora along with Ubuntu?
[08:33] <stuNNed> kengur: shouldn't be a problem
[08:33] <smsmasters> like, how do u configure apache under linux
[08:33] <martok> Fedora?!
[08:33] <martok> Who uses Fedora?!
[08:33] <kengur> is it just me or the whole Gnome thing on Fedora is bloated and slow?
[08:33] <martok> Yes!
[08:34] <martok> It is.
[08:34] <stuNNed> yes is imho, kengur
[08:34] <Yannick_> smsmasters:you have to install apache, mysql, php4 and libapache2-modphp4
[08:34] <martok> When I used it anyway.
[08:34] <stuNNed> martok: alot of ppl
[08:34] <martok> stuNNed: Who asked you anyway?!
[08:34] <martok> Oh... wait.
[08:34] <kengur> ubuntu is like heaven =)
[08:34] <martok> Yes, I agree.
[08:34] <defile> well Gnome is a bit slow in Hoary, but I don't have to guess why that might be ;-)
[08:35] <smsmasters> i cant find php4 and libapache2-modphp4 in the synaptic package manager
[08:35] <Martok> defile: I don't understand, why is it slow in Hoary?
[08:35] <Guardiann> defile mine isnt :)
[08:35] <tritium> defile, nor is mine
[08:35] <defile> Guardiann, it's only a little laggy here
[08:35] <Yannick_> have you added universe to your sources?
[08:35] <defile> still very useful
[08:35] <Guardiann> no lagg at all for me
[08:36] <smsmasters> how do i install php
[08:36] <defile> Guardiann, are you prelinking?
[08:36] <Guardiann> if anything it seems a bit quicker then warty
[08:36] <Yannick_> smsmasters: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[08:36] <Guardiann> no i have not prelinked
[08:36] <defile> Guardiann, compared to Warty, it just seems a bit slower to me
[08:37] <defile> nothing I can't live with though
[08:37] <Guardiann> i (see) :)
[08:37] <kengur> i wonder if the prelink thing actually slows things down in Fedora instead of making them faster
[08:37] <jasonf> kengur: it can, to be honest
[08:37] <smsmasters> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#repositories how does that help me?
[08:37] <defile> well it could also be the fact that I'm using frequency scaling, but that hasn't been noticable in the past
[08:37] <Martok> Fedora's not even made for users...
[08:37] <jasonf> kengur: it's kinda a toss-up as to how/if it is helpful
[08:38] <Yannick_> add the other repositories then search your php from synaptic
[08:38] <Martok> Why does everybody like Fedora so much? Ubuntu is much better.
[08:38] <gollum__> hi again, my apt-get wont install any files, is that because of to less repos?
[08:38] <Martok> Ubuntu has even taken top position on Distrowatch.
[08:38] <Martok> gollum__: What are you trying to install?
[08:38] <kengur> Martok, after trying U, i'll never get back to F
[08:39] <Martok> lol, U, F.
[08:39] <Martok> That's cool.
[08:39] <Agrajag> F, U.
[08:39] <Yannick_> smsmasters: are you ok?
[08:39] <Agrajag> no wait
[08:39] <Martok> Haha!
[08:39] <Martok> I thought F was cool until I tried U.
[08:39] <kengur> same here
[08:40] <will> Martok: no it has not!
[08:40] <Martok> Huh?
[08:40] <gollum__> xmms, and other things
[08:40] <zAo^> can anyone explain why my background in XFCE 4.2 is gone?? Nautilus is not running
[08:40] <Martok> gollum__: Try adding more repositories.
[08:40] <will> Martok: taken top postition on diustrowatch
[08:40] <gollum__> im on it ;)
[08:40] <will> Martok: but im sure it wont be long :)
[08:40] <randabis> will, It has for the MONTHLY totals
[08:41] <gollum__> anyone got a nice one for me?
[08:41] <Martok> will, refresh to see the last month.
[08:41] <will> a ha!
[08:41] <Martok> Ubuntu is at the top you non-believer.
[08:41] <bretzel> Martok: top of what ?
[08:41] <randabis> on top of the world!
[08:42] <bretzel> hehehe :-)
[08:42] <Martok> Ubuntu took the number 1 position on distrowatch.
[08:42] <Martok> distrowatch.com
[08:42] <randabis> that's misleading
[08:42] <bretzel> oh! it was number 3 some weeks ago :-)
[08:42] <randabis> number 1 in the monthly total
[08:42] <randabis> not number one of all time
[08:42] <Martok> It's sure leading me in the right direction!
[08:42] <Martok> I know
[08:42] <Martok> It's just had the most hits.
[08:42] <Martok> But that shows potential.
[08:43] <randabis> it's still very impressive though
[08:43] <Martok> I was wondering if it was going to happen.
[08:43] <Martok> I was here awhile ago asking about it and somebody said: "Nah, there are too many Mandrake fanboys"
[08:43] <Martok> lol
[08:44] <cutterjohn> (YDL must be feeling the heat as their yellowdoglinux.com front page is now pushing YDL as being awesome on ppc much more than they were a few months ago...)
[08:44] <smsmasters> i cant find php in the package manager
[08:45] <Martok> If I had an Apple I'd use Yellow Dog probably.
[08:45] <gollum__> how mount ntfs disk? mount -t ntfs /dev/hdax /folder?
[08:45] <Martok> Well... Mac OS X is pretty cool.
[08:45] <randabis> If I had an apple I'd use OSX
[08:45] <cutterjohn> YDL is pretty crap.  VERY few packages, I ended up having to build alot from source or go through rpm dep hell via fedora or RH
[08:45] <jmhodges> hey
[08:45] <cutterjohn> (er... tarballs that is, then it got to be even worse than dependency package hell...)
[08:46] <jmhodges> i dotn have a *nix system to test on at the moment..
[08:46] <Martok> What's wrong with building from source?!
[08:46] <jmhodges> im trying to netboot this laptop (it doesnt have a cdrom or dvdrom)
[08:46] <randabis> Martok, nothing, except compile times can suck
[08:46] <jmhodges> but neither warty nor hoary can see the hard drive
[08:46] <cutterjohn> nothing, but package managers with a good package repo automate alot of the trivia of finding incredibly obscure depencies
[08:46] <jmhodges> its an intel ide controller
[08:46] <Martok> randabis: I'd rather compile everything from source.
[08:47] <cutterjohn> e.g. Xconqueror, took me quite some time to dig up its real RH homepage the 1st time...
[08:47] <jmhodges> and a toshiba hd.. but i can't figure out what boot commands etc to toss to it
[08:47] <jmhodges> anyone run into this problem?
[08:47] <randabis> Martok, then why aren't you using Gentoo?
[08:47] <GammaRay> randabis: quite a leap there
[08:48] <Martok> I'd much rather use Ubuntu, if you know what I mean.
[08:48] <__Penny> I'm looking for some help getting japanese input to work in openoffice on ubuntu... does someone have a minute?
[08:48] <randabis> But it does the opposite of what you said you'd rather do...
[08:48] <Martok> No!
[08:48] <Martok> I want to compile my packages from source, not the whole system.
[08:48] <randabis> Thanks for clarifying
[08:49] <__Penny> I'm following a tutorial, and it asks me to edit .gnomerc but I'm not sure where that is or where it should go... can someone help?
[08:49] <pvh> spiral: It worked!
[08:49] <Martok> Thanks for nothing!
[08:49] <pvh> spiral: Wahoo!
[08:49] <randabis> I believe you can use apt-build :p
[08:49] <Martok> What's that do?
[08:49] <troll_god> Martok: =/ you should compile the whole system from source. real men don't use modules, or legacy devices
[08:49] <pvh> __Penny: I believe it is in your home directory.
[08:49] <pvh> __Penny: but hidden by default
[08:49] <Martok> troll_god: I'm a fake man.
[08:50] <troll_god> Martok: if you remove module support from the kernel, you will both boot faster, and save vital needed space
[08:50] <__Penny> thanks pvh.  if it doesn't exist, I should create it?
[08:50] <Martok> Yeah, I know!
[08:50] <troll_god> Martok: I did it! it's fun!
[08:50] <jmhodges> __Penny, it sounds like the tutorial is old
[08:50] <Martok> I've compiled my own kernel before you troll!
[08:50] <randabis> troll_god, Some things can't be compiled into the kernel
[08:50] <rapala61> hi every1 i need help with a deleted file  /usr/lib/libGL.a   i deleted it by mistake trying to delete /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a.. someone knows how i can get the file back..??
[08:50] <pvh> __Penny: what are you trying to do?
[08:50] <__Penny> darn...
[08:50] <__Penny> I'm trying to get japanese input to work in openoffice
[08:51] <troll_god> randabis: excluding closed source drivers, everything can be =/ everything i need is anyway
[08:51] <Martok> Whoa!
[08:51] <__Penny> I got it to work on most of my system, but the tutorial has a few extra steps to get openoffice or abiword to work
[08:51] <rellik> heh guys this is an *ubuntu* chat room...  ppl that wanna recompile their kernel for every change instead of just using modules should just use debian
[08:51] <Martok> Somebody just one upped somebody else!
[08:51] <__Penny> and at that point, i have no more progress...
[08:51] <randabis> in the make menuconfig, some things are only available as modules
[08:51] <Martok> rellik: Maybe I will use Debian then.
[08:51] <jasonf> rellik: I run a kernel patchset -- that's a rather unfair assertion
[08:51] <randabis> That's all I'm saying
[08:52] <xvers> hey.. how can i change the maximum resolution that the installer asked when i installed?
[08:52] <troll_god> rellik: wow that comment made no sense at all!!! debian has such advantages for those that want to recompile their kernel for every change that little kids like yourself should suggest it over ubuntu in favor of the huge differences in relation to kernel-compiling!!!
[08:52] <randabis> heh...that sentence sucked and is confusing
[08:53] <troll_god> rellik: After all ubuntu does't have all of those tools that make debian so usefull for kernel compiling! right?
[08:53] <Martok> Whoa, whoa... save it for the Windows users troll_god.
[08:53] <__Penny> ok... well i guess i'll continue googling and look for a newer tutorial?
[08:53] <rapala61> hi every1 i need help with a deleted file  /usr/lib/libGL.a   i deleted it by mistake trying to delete /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a.. someone knows how i can get the file back..??
[08:53] <Manny> hi
[08:53] <Martok> We're all Linux users here... we're all ok.
[08:53] <troll_god> just wondering why he chose to recommend debian when it has no advantages in that arena
[08:54] <randabis> that's true
[08:54] <xvers> can i anyone help? i want to change my resolution
[08:54] <Martok> We're all using the same kernel, damn!
[08:54] <randabis> debian doesn't have anything that ubuntu doesn't have
[08:54] <troll_god> xvers: /etc/X11/xorg.conf in hoary, or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 in warty
[08:54] <xvers> thanks
[08:54] <Manny> is a recent hoary snapshot (d/l 2005-01-25) likely to work on a PPC/pegasos? :)
[08:54] <Manny> any experiences?
[08:55] <Manny> maybe I can even help out?
[08:55] <rapala61> xvers, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg<xfree86> depends
[08:55] <cutterjohn> Martok: do you generate .deb packages for your self compiled packages?
[08:55] <troll_god> xvers: If the resolutions needed are already set up, simply Ctrl alt +/- to go up/down in res
[08:55] <randabis> Martok, some could be using HURD, and not all of us are running the same version of the linux kernel :)
[08:55] <randabis> br
[08:55] <rapala61> libGL.a anu1????
[08:55] <rapala61> any1
[08:55] <Martok> randabis: I took the version issue into consideration for my statement, only a mega geek like you would bring that up!
[08:56] <troll_god> hurd is good for one thing. making points about the possibility of someone auctually using it
[08:56] <Martok> And who here seriously uses the HURD?
[08:56] <cutterjohn> }:)
[08:56] <cutterjohn> ...and stroking stallman's ego...
[08:56] <emanuelez> hello * :)
[08:57] <emanuelez> no sda* in my /dev :( any hint? i wanna mount a pendrive
[08:57] <rellik> hehe troll_god calm down...  I'm just saying that for ppl that have the smarts and desire to forgo module support, and, presumably, are looking to tweak their system the most, that these ppl should prolly feel more at home in pure debian, not the user-friendly, more beginner, ubuntu
[08:57] <cutterjohn> ...and ubuntu does compile alot of extra junk into the std kernels...
[08:58] <troll_god> emanuelez: custom kernel or ubuntu kernel?
[08:58] <daniels> rapala61: xlibmesa-gl-dev
[08:58] <__Penny> ok, i have a new question... i don't think this tutorial is "old"... it's part of ubuntulinux.org's howto tutorials and it was 'last editied 1 week ago'... does someone have a minute, i could give you the link and show you where I'm confused, and someone could tell me what I've done wrong?
[08:58] <klaym> __Penny: just throw your problem in
[08:58] <Martok> Ubuntu is friendly, thank god for that.
[08:59] <rapala61> daniels, thanks...
[08:59] <cutterjohn> ...and has a good base selection of apps/desktop, but then again, I never cared for KDE...
[08:59] <__Penny> if you want the link, here:http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JapaneseInputHowto  and i'm down in the section that says "setting up"
[08:59] <emanuelez> troll_god: ubuntu kernel. 2.6.10
[08:59] <Martok> Gnome is way better.
[08:59] <jmhodges> anyone installed ubuntu on a hp laptop?
[09:00] <cutterjohn> Martok: ...and a little faster, but I really like xfce too... as opposed to pure GNOME desktop
[09:00] <Martok> I couldn't even get the Live CD to boot on my HP notebook.
[09:00] <hikaru79_> Testing irssi
[09:00] <__Penny> one way to "set up this input permanently" is to create a file .gnomerc and add some lines... I thought I did that a few times, finished this section, but openoffice still does not allow me to choose which input method I want to use
[09:00] <nanophase> jmhodges:  I'm on one now
[09:00] <troll_god> emanuelez: modprobe ohci-hcd
[09:00] <nanophase> jmhodges:  zt3440ea
[09:00] <nanophase> and just sucking with laptop-mode :/
[09:00] <Martok> Give me Gnome or give me the console!
[09:01] <troll_god> emanuelez: or modprobe uhci-hcd
[09:01] <__Penny> it doesn't specify where .gnomerc should be... but you guys here think it should be in my home dir
[09:01] <__Penny> which is where I put it
[09:01] <cutterjohn> Martok: fluxbox (CVS) isn't bad either... a little spartan, but...
[09:01] <jmhodges> nanophase, you have to do anything special to get your hd detected?
[09:01] <jmhodges> or anythingspecial in general?
[09:01] <nanophase> jmhodges:  hp detected?
[09:01] <nanophase> what detected :)
[09:01] <Martok> cutterjohn: Actually, yes. I like fluxbox too.
[09:01] <jmhodges> nanophase, sorry hd..
[09:01] <troll_god> emanuelez: or if you have it and it works with your mobo and pen drive, ehci-hcd (usb2.x )
[09:01] <jmhodges> nanophase, hard drive
[09:01] <jmhodges> :-/
[09:01] <__Penny> any thoughts guys?
[09:02] <nanophase> jmhodges:  nope
[09:02] <Martok> I'm still waiting for an LCARS based window manager, heh heh heh.
[09:02] <jmhodges> nanophase, thanks.. damn..
[09:02] <nanophase> jmhodges:  whay do you mean
[09:02] <cutterjohn> Martok: you ever look at 5dwm or whatever it is called these days?  (meant to replicate indigo magic... thats nice too...)
[09:02] <__Penny> so... no one went to the link to try to help?
[09:02] <Martok> Indigo magic? I don't know what that is.
[09:02] <nanophase> Martok:  well I thing that would be cool once we drop this whole PC architecture we have today :)
[09:02] <cutterjohn> (xfce is good, but xffm has just got to go, while we're commenting on DE environments...)
[09:03] <jmhodges> nanophase, warty and hoary install cds dont see my hard drive on this machine.. i'm doing a netboot, but i would assume the same would happen even if it was possible to get a cd/dvd-rom on this machine
[09:03] <Martok> nanophase: Do you know of any cool novel window managers?
[09:03] <cutterjohn> Martok, SGI's IRIX X desktop... best I'd ever seen on UNIX c. 1995...
[09:03] <__Penny> could someone just look at where I am and tell me if I am missing something in these instructions?
[09:04] <__Penny> this is my first time using linux, so it's probably some easy solution i just don't see
[09:04] <cutterjohn> Martok, only openstep was close...
[09:04] <nanophase> Martok:  nope, I made a skin for Evidence  (lcars) tho
[09:04] <Dishwasher> anyone know how to set the "keep alive" in an ssh connection?
[09:04] <nanophase> jmhodges:  nah, inserted the CD, partitioned with cfdisk and said byebye to the default windoze install
[09:04] <Martok> When are we gonna get cool 3D window managers?
[09:04] <jmhodges> damn, ok
[09:04] <nanophase> Martok:  they just don't make sense
[09:04] <jmhodges> thanks nanophase
[09:04] <Martok> We've gotta keep up with Microsoft.
[09:04] <cutterjohn> Martok, when you write one...
[09:04] <Dishwasher> there already is
[09:04] <Martok> Haha
[09:05] <Dishwasher> its called 3ddesktop
[09:05] <nanophase> jmhodges:  youre welcome..what HP is yours
[09:05] <Dishwasher> check the package out
[09:05] <Dishwasher> see what ya htink
[09:05] <Martok> Awesome, thanks.
[09:05] <__Penny> ok, well thanks anyway guys... i'll ask my questions in livejournal instead.
[09:05] <Dishwasher> no prob
 ok, well thanks anyway guys... i'll ask my questions in livejournal instead. <-- i guess noone knows anything about it
[09:05] <Dishwasher> I've got a question.  Any of you know how to keep an SSH session open for a long period of time/
[09:05] <shock> *sigh*
[09:05] <Martok> Excuse me while I download my desktop that according to nanophase "doesn't make sense"!
[09:05] <__Penny> i just wanted someone to look at the link i gave and tell me if i'm missing something
[09:05] <pvh> Can anyone recommend a good fast mirror for Hoary?
[09:06] <nanophase> Martok:  haha, you may understand what I mean after a bit of usage
[09:06] <cutterjohn> anyways, 3ddesktops:  might be useful for a wearable with a small closeup pseudo 3d display, or holographic/retinal displays if they ever appear plus gloves/other 3d input devices...
[09:06] <shock> hm
[09:06] <nanophase> Martok:   Do you have a 3D mouse?
[09:06] <shock> ok, penny, will take a look
[09:06] <__Penny> shock, do you have a minute?
[09:06] <__Penny> ok that'd be awesome
[09:06] <pdaoust> quick question; this is a general Linux question (not Ubuntu -- unless it turns out that it *is* caused by Ubuntu weirdness)
[09:06] <hendsp> does anyone else consider it a bug that you cant drop files onto the Documents panel icon? or has it been reported?
[09:06] <Martok> nanophase: I think you're just mad that I'm going into the future while you stay in the past.
[09:06] <nanophase> or a monitor?
[09:06] <cutterjohn> (retinal displays: er appear in non-military applications that is...)
[09:06] <nanophase> ok so it doesnt make much sense :)
[09:06] <pdaoust> any idea why the hell my load average would be skyrocketing when I log into my user account?
[09:06] <__Penny> need the link again?
[09:06] <nanophase> Martok:  no commend on that one, good luck with 3ddesktop!
[09:06] <Martok> nanophase: I'm moving forward while you're staying in the same place.
[09:07] <pdaoust> hendsp: there's a Documents icon on the panel? ^_^
[09:07] <pdaoust> never noticed it.
[09:07] <Martok> lol
[09:07] <shock> got it
[09:07] <__Penny> ok
[09:07] <hendsp> yeah, it's in the applet list when you right click panel->add to panel
[09:07] <pdaoust> hendsp: ah, I getcha
[09:07] <pdaoust> never really experimented with folder panel icons
[09:07] <hendsp> but unlike the trash one, you can't drop things on it
[09:07] <__Penny> mind a pm shock? it's tough to follow in the main chan
[09:07] <pdaoust> mmmmmmm
[09:07] <pdaoust> that's pooey
[09:08] <nanophase> Martok:  I tried 3ddesktop way before you knew it exists so that's all about future :>
[09:08] <pdaoust> so, hozzaboutit... anyone else experience really high load averages when logging in? there isn't much disc access going on, but the whole computer feels like molasses.
[09:08] <Cindux> bla
[09:08] <Cindux> anyway know how much ram Ubuntu uses ?
[09:08] <pdaoust> Cindux: as much as you want it to :)
[09:08] <Cindux> like, windows xp uses 300mb on average for sys files drivers etc
[09:08] <Cindux> noi meant just the syste
[09:09] <Cindux> without me having anything running
[09:09] <pdaoust> Cindux: ohhhhhhhhhhhh... one sec
[09:09] <Madeye> Hi, my computer shuted down twice today for powershortage, Now, my HDD giving a noisy sound, Do I need to do some "Scandisk or disk defragment" ? any good tool for that?
[09:09] <Martok> nanophase: When I get back I'll be all 3Dized, while you'll still be all 2Dized and low tech.
[09:09] <Cindux> I'd check myself but i just bought a new barebone and erased the hdd
[09:09] <pdaoust> Madeye: scary... you might want to do more than that; what sort of sound is it?
[09:10] <Martok> Haha, just kidding.
[09:10] <pdaoust> Cindux: lessee... I have 256 MB in my computer right now, of which 66% is in use.
[09:10] <Martok> I'm just joking with you nanophase.
[09:10] <Cindux> hm
[09:10] <pdaoust> Cindux: but I'm also running FIrefox, Gaim, and Evolution
[09:10] <Cindux> this is with or without your stuff open ?
[09:10] <Cindux> oh
[09:10] <Martok> I've seen this 3d desktop thing, I was hoping for something else.
[09:10] <Cindux> ok thats great
[09:10] <Cindux> thanks
[09:10] <larsrohdin> hey, im trying to run vsftpd... the ftp server... but i get this message when i try to start it... what does it mean
[09:10] <Martok> Like 3d windows or something.
[09:10] <pvh> Martok: 3dwm
[09:10] <pvh> Martok: still very early
[09:10] <larsrohdin> 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket
[09:11] <Madeye> pdaoust,  well, dunno how to explain how it is, when I turn on the power, it give a sound like the engine of a car LOL, but after few minutes the sound disappear.
[09:11] <pvh> Martok: Project seems to be dormant, site is down, etc, but they seem to have made it further than anyone else
[09:11] <defile> Cindux, what does free -m|awk '/\+/ {print"Used: "$3"MB, Free: "$4"MB"}' show you?
[09:11] <Martok> Yeah
[09:11] <pdaoust> Cindux: if you use the memory monitor applet, it can look scary; for instance, my computer sez I'm using 100% of the RAM, but that's because part of it is just regular ol' disc cache, which doesn't count.
[09:11] <emanuelez> well... this modprobing stuff freezed my comp LOL
[09:11] <pdaoust> Madeye: do you have an IBM DeskStar?
[09:11] <Martok> pvh, does it look cool?
[09:11] <Cindux> I remember being in the sys monitor
[09:11] <Cindux> and it said the clock app was like 32mb
[09:11] <Madeye> pdaoust,  No
[09:12] <pvh> Martok: Maybe, I couldn't get it to work and gave up.
[09:12] <larsrohdin> does anyone know what 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket means???
[09:12] <Martok> Oh, ok.
[09:12] <pdaoust> Madeye: good... I had a DeskStar hard drive once, and it started making noises kinda like yours, and then... and then... well, I ignored it, because I thought it was my CPU fan... and a few days later, my hard drive went up in smoke
[09:12] <pvh> Martok: there's also something by alan kay called... uh..
[09:12] <pdaoust> Madeye: not to scare you or anything, but there might be a really serious issue at hand
[09:12] <pvh> Martok: not teacup
[09:12] <Martok> The anticipation is kill me.
[09:12] <cutterjohn2> ok, heres an easy one which I am too lazy to google for right now:  is there a package search service like rpmfind available for debian/ubuntu packages?
[09:13] <pvh> Martok: croquet
[09:13] <Martok> Thanks, I'll go google it now.
[09:13] <pvh> Martok: based on smalltalk
[09:13] <pdaoust> Madeye: check, though; it may be your optical drive making the noise... I've had them make peculiar noises... maybe the power spike toasted something?
[09:13] <larsrohdin> apt-cache search
[09:13] <iain_installing> hi
[09:13] <defile> cutterjohn, apt-cache search package
[09:13] <nanophase> Martok:  well either that or you don't have any idea about what you are saying, you decide :)
[09:13] <iain_installing> newbie here trying to install... it keeps hanging when trying to mount the cd-rom... can anyone help?
[09:13] <cutterjohn2> defile: but that only searches the standard repos...
[09:14] <Madeye> pdaoust,  I'm not sure, hmm any tool to defrag disk or to scandisk ? if it didnt work I will replace the HDD, no worries no important data at all.
[09:14] <pdaoust> iain_installing: this happens during install, or after install?
[09:14] <iain_installing> during
[09:14] <cutterjohn2> defile: i.e. it is more or less equal to yum list, rpm -q blah rather than rpmfind
[09:14] <pdaoust> Madeye: hmmmmmmmmm.... no need for defragging; Linux filesystems don't fragment
[09:14] <Cindux> :D
[09:14] <defile> cutterjohn, well to answer directly, I haven't found something exactly like that
[09:14] <Martok> Wow, this croquet looks awesome.
[09:14] <pdaoust> Madeye: for scanning, depends on the filesystem... e2fsck for ext2, reiserfsck for ReiserFS
[09:15] <iain_installing> pdaoust, after the initial boot screens and the language selections - when it tried to mount the cdrom it fails
[09:15] <cutterjohn2> defile: thanks, I suspected as much as I already did try a q&d google for osmething similar with no luck...
[09:15] <pdaoust> iain_installing: hum hum... check for scratches?
[09:15] <pdaoust> iain_installing: what kind of CD-ROM drive is it?
[09:15] <RogueDopple> lg
[09:15] <cutterjohn2> defile: but was hoping otherwise...
[09:15] <Martok> This croquet thing looks like it could be VR.
[09:16] <Madeye> pdaoust,  journaled
[09:16] <defile> cutterjohn, if you have the right repositories setup though...
[09:16] <Martok> I think it's a whole OS though.
[09:16] <defile> cutterjohn, I have yet to find it lacking
[09:16] <iain_installing> pdaoust : samsung cdrw
[09:16] <larsrohdin> does anyone, know a really easy ftp-server program?
[09:16] <iain_installing> pdaoust : beatrix installed fine etc.. but i don't think its the cd itself
[09:16] <pdaoust> Martok: yeah, it is sorta supposed to be its own whole environment.
[09:16] <Martok> This is awesome.
[09:16] <smsmasters> help i cant find the php4 package
[09:16] <Cindux> er dont mind the newb
[09:17] <Cindux> but a file system is the way information is stored on a drive ?
[09:17] <cutterjohn2> Martok: running under squeak will be slowish, and IIRC it is supposed to be an enitre OS, not sure if it was finished (I had forgotten about that one...)
[09:17] <pdaoust> Cindux: yessir
[09:17] <iain_installing> is there a way of booting without dma enabled?
[09:17] <Cindux> er so ic
[09:17] <pdaoust> iain_installing: weird... I believe so; one sec
[09:17] <Cindux> then wouldn't it be obviosu to find the "best" file system
[09:18] <Martok> cutterjohn2: What's squeak? And I thought IIRC was an IRC client.
[09:18] <pdaoust> Cindux: it is a good idea, but don't get too picky; most filesystems are pretty good for all-around tasks.
[09:18] <cutterjohn2> Martok: a smalltalk environment...
[09:18] <pdaoust> Cindux: ext2 and ext3 are great for low-latency tasks like audio editing
[09:18] <cutterjohn2> Martok: VM plus base distribution...
[09:18] <Cindux> ic ic
[09:18] <pdaoust> Cindux: reiser is great for... I don't know what it's great for, but I've always used it, and it's never caused me any grief ^_^
[09:18] <cutterjohn2> Martok: sort of like OS + desktop + IDE + rest of dev environment + misc apps all in smalltalk
[09:19] <defile> smsmasters, check in universe
[09:19] <Martok> And smalltalk is...? An operating system?
[09:19] <pdaoust> Cindux: XFS is a commercially developed open-source filesystem, apparently very fast and stable (didn't used to be stable; it used to destroy your data regularly)
[09:19] <cutterjohn2> Martok: OO programming language, the syntax is similar to objective-C (which was based on smalltalk syntax)
[09:19] <pdaoust> iain_installing: here we go
[09:19] <cutterjohn2> Martok: changes/programming are realtime at least in squeak... native compiles do exist as well...
[09:20] <pdaoust> at the CD's boot prompt, type whatever you would type, plus nodma
[09:20] <defile> smsmasters, it's in World Wide Web (universe) for Hoary, it might also be there for Warty
[09:20] <pdaoust> so if you normally pressed enter or typed 'linux', you would type 'linux nodma'
[09:20] <nanophase> god damn it whatever I set for laptop-mode it shuts down my HD when on battery
[09:20] <Martok> Whoa, whoa... I'm not a programmer. I have no idea what you're talking about.
[09:20] <smsmasters> how do i install php4 from the package manager, its not there!
[09:20] <iain_installing> pdaout : will try that thx
[09:20] <nanophase> then something spins it up, it happens every minute, I'm getting mad
[09:20] <pdaoust> iain_installing: good luck!
[09:21] <cutterjohn2> Martok: well in any event, IIRC you need squeak to run Croquet and squeak is run on a virtual machine like java, so it'd prolly be really slow(compared to native)
[09:21] <rellik> when I try to run mplayer sometimes (ie, atm) it pauses, waiting on some other program to quit using sound (ie xmms was paused, not stopped)...  but if I don't know what is using the sound, how do I find out?  'lsof /dev/dsp' shows nothing
[09:21] <defile> smsmasters, do you have deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[09:21] <Cindux> hm intersting
[09:22] <Martok> cutterjohn2: Yes, indeed. Because VM's are very slow.
[09:22] <Martok> Right?
[09:22] <defile> if not, add it, and run 'sudo apt-get update' and look again
[09:22] <Martok> That's what I heard anyway.
[09:22] <cutterjohn2> Martok: i.e. only interesting as an academic exercise...
[09:22] <punkrockguy318> Hmm... my nvidia card is running very slowly... only 400fps on glxgears.. i'm using the nvidia driver... what might be the problem?
[09:22] <cutterjohn2> Martok: VMs: esp the GPL/OSS/public domain/etc. ones
[09:22] <Martok> Well I'm a geek interested in alternative, or novel environments.
[09:22] <Cindux> wait a file system is a tree right ?
[09:22] <Cindux> a DIR tree i guess
[09:23] <punkrockguy318> brb
[09:23] <cutterjohn2> Martok: also any 3D environment desktop will be painful to use with an, essentially, 2D input device...
[09:24] <Martok> I play a lot of first person shooters.
[09:24] <cutterjohn2> Martok: so do I, but the concepts are different... FPS can get away without true 3D controllers if properly designed, but using a desktop that way! sheesh!  I bet that you have that quake (Doom?) based sysadmin tool...
[09:25] <Martok> I'd like to try it out, lol.
[09:25] <Martok> It's based on Doom.
[09:26] <plut> hi
[09:26] <plut> quick question
[09:26] <cutterjohn> Martok: couldn't remember, and never tried it as it sounded as though it might be too easy to hose the wrong process that way... }:)
[09:26] <plut> do i need to install a driver for the nforce 2 lan chipset in ubuntu?
[09:26] <Martok> Yeah
[09:27] <Martok> It's kinda cool because the processes try to kill you too.
[09:27] <Tomcat_> That happened to me only once.
[09:27] <Martok> What happened to you?
[09:27] <Tomcat_> And it wasn't really the processes, it was more the kernel.
[09:27] <Tomcat_> That processes attacked root :)
[09:27] <cutterjohn> }:)
[09:27] <Martok> I don't like where this joke is going...
[09:28] <Tomcat_> Well the machine had about loadavg 10 :)
[09:28] <plut> hmmm
[09:28] <plut> can anyone help
[09:28] <cutterjohn> linus is secretly out to take over the world by eradication of every root user
[09:28] <Tomcat_> So even login and bash got killed by the kernel.
[09:28] <plut> i need drivers for my nforce2 lan chipset
[09:28] <plut> :P
[09:28] <snarky> hey all, i can't seem to get my sound working, i have pcm up (to an acceptable level) and master up all the way
[09:28] <Cindux> bah the linux newb has teh question
[09:28] <cutterjohn> such that he can assume all of their positions
[09:28] <Cindux> kernels almost like a commander ?
[09:28] <Cindux> for hardware & what software can access?
[09:29] <Martok> Yeah
[09:29] <will> Martok: what is this 3D interface?
[09:29] <punkrockguy318> I've been having slow preformance with my nvidia card lately.  I'm only getting ~660fps on glxgears.  On my Arch Linux partition, I get ~1100.  I'm using the nvidia-glx driver, and I'm running warty with XFree.  What could be the problem?
[09:29] <cutterjohn> the kernel is, technically, the os unless you like the GNU definition which includes every crap utility plus the kernel
[09:29] <Martok> will: It's a modified version of Doom that allows you to kill your processes and stuff.
[09:29] <Martok> Unless you're talking about something else!
[09:29] <punkrockguy318> Martok, is there a debian package for that?
[09:30] <snarky> can anyone help me with my sound?
[09:30] <snarky> i have no idea what is wrong
[09:30] <shock> er
[09:30] <Martok> punkrockguy318: I dunno, check it out.
[09:30] <spiral> pvh: hi again...
[09:30] <spiral> pvh: how did it work ?
[09:30] <shock> snarky? is your esd running?
[09:30] <mirak> ahah
[09:30] <punkrockguy318> Martok, have you used it lately?  When I tried it a while back it wouldn't compile
[09:30] <snarky> shock: i have no idea, i need help
[09:31] <Martok> I've never used it!
[09:31] <punkrockguy318> oh
[09:31] <mirak> I have heard of the ubuntu default themes
[09:31] <Martok> I just saw it.
[09:31] <shock> hm
[09:31] <snarky> shock: alsamixer has volumes at good levels
[09:31] <shock> well - when u start xmms
[09:31] <Martok> You patak.
[09:31] <shock> ok
[09:31] <mirak> that's funny
[09:31] <shock> and xmms wont give you any sound?
[09:31] <shock> but doe not complain?
[09:31] <snarky> shock: nope
[09:32] <shock> rehi penny
[09:32] <__Penny> hello
[09:32] <snarky> shock: well im using rb, and it will play a song for 4 seconds then skip to the next one
[09:32] <shock> any success?
[09:32] <shock> erm...
[09:32] <__Penny> no...
[09:32] <nanophase> bye
[09:32] <shock> try xmms, please
[09:32] <shock> m
[09:32] <shock> just OOo or nothing at all?
[09:33] <__Penny> no sign of japanese direct input in openoffice... i can paste characters in, but I can't type
[09:33] <__Penny> so, i know it's being all unicode happy... but the input method just isn't enabled in oo
[09:33] <shock> hm
[09:34] <shock> apt-get install language-pack-ja language-support-ja
[09:34] <shock> ?
[09:34] <snarky> shock: i gotta get it hold a sec please
[09:34] <shock> and openoffice.org-l10n-ja are there? @ penny
[09:34] <__Penny> i think i did that already.  but it wouldn't hurt to do it again
[09:34] <zhukov_> hello
[09:35] <__Penny> what is that? l10n-ja ?
[09:35] <__Penny> another version of oo?
[09:37] <__Penny> ?
[09:38] <snarky> ah sorry i got a crash
[09:38] <snarky> xmms just crashes when i try to play a music file
[09:39] <snarky> shock: hello?
[09:39] <pvh> spiral: It worked great.
[09:39] <pvh> spiral: It's installing right now.
[09:39] <shock> ?
[09:39] <snarky> shock: you were helping me
 xmms just crashes when i try to play a music file <-- not a good sign
[09:40] <shock> how about running it from console and watching the output
[09:40] <snarky> shock: really?....wow shock i had NO idea...i'm so glad you have the wisdom to point that out to me
[09:40] <cutterjohn> (weird is more like it...)
[09:40] <snarky> shock: no output
[09:40] <snarky> i had to kill it
[09:40] <shock> hm
[09:40] <shock> oh
[09:41] <shock> ps ax |grep esd ?
[09:41] <snarky> yeah its there
[09:42] <superfrog> STRANGE PROBLEM: I have 'suddenly' a Segmentation Fault error for all application using QT! I have apt-get refreshed the qt packages and dependencies, with no success! Has anyone a ideal of a direction?
[09:42] <cutterjohn> snarky: did you try to pass it an audio file when invoking from commandline?
[09:42] <spiral> pvh: nice :-)
[09:42] <shock> hm
[09:42] <spiral> pvh: I'm glad this worked :-)
[09:42] <shock> has your xmms the esd output plugin selected?
[09:42] <snarky> cutterjohn: open xmms from a command line and then open a file with the gui?
[09:42] <snarky> cutterjohn: or is there a way to open it from the command line with a file loaded?
[09:42] <snarky> cutterjohn: i did the first
[09:43] <cutterjohn> snarky: xmms <filename> IIRC
[09:43] <shock> or try mplayer from console.... that thing spams alot of output
[09:43] <shock> i usually do that when something about my sound is wrong
[09:43] <snarky> no output!
[09:43] <shock> mplayer movie.avi ?
[09:43] <snarky> xmms and mplayer would give the same errors if ther was
[09:43] <shock> and no output?
[09:43] <snarky> no theres magically output shock
[09:43] <superfrog> *********STRANGE PROBLEM: I have 'suddenly' a Segmentation Fault error for all application using QT! I have apt-get refreshed the qt packages and dependencies, with no success! Has anyone a ideal of a direction?****************
[09:44] <snarky> cutterjohn: it loads up the file then when i hit play it crashes
[09:44] <shock> I had that same effect once
[09:44] <shock> had the wrong output plugin selected
[09:45] <snarky> shock: i was being sarcastic
[09:45] <cutterjohn> snarky: are you trying the same audio file all of the time? if so, try a different one...
[09:45] <snarky> cutterjohn: nah different one
[09:45] <shock> not so much into sarcasm today
[09:45] <snarky> cutterjohn: my sound worked on warty
[09:45] <snarky> cutterjohn: i upgraded to hoary last night
[09:46] <superfrog> ** QT PROBLEM: I have 'suddenly' a Segmentation Fault error for all application using QT! I have apt-get refreshed the qt packages and dependencies, with no success! Has anyone a ideal of a direction?****************
[09:46] <cutterjohn> snarky: ah, you're on hoary, but this is still weird... I'd hazard a guess that something that got upgraded last night might be a little on the broken side...
[09:46] <cutterjohn> snarky: any ideas of what got upgraded?
[09:46] <snarky> cutterjohn: prety much everything, hoary's all new stuff
[09:47] <cutterjohn> snarky: did you do a complete upgrade? or check for updates since then?
[09:47] <snarky> complete upgrades and i checked for upgrades as well
[09:47] <jcoxon77> snarky: i'm not sure if this will help, or that you haven't already tried but what happens if you turn of esd and choose oss output?
[09:47] <cutterjohn> (sorry, I thought that you meant that you upgraded particular packages not the warty->hoary upgrade...)
[09:47] <superfrog> ** QT PROBLEM: I have 'suddenly' a Segmentation Fault error for all application using QT! I have apt-get refreshed the qt packages and dependencies, with no success! Has anyone a ideal of a direction?****************
[09:47] <snarky> cutterjohn: no problem
[09:47] <liquidboy> i stuffed up one of my ubuntu partitions when i was making another one with the mandrk 9.0 install cd... the boot position thingie changed from "/" to nothing. i changed it back, but it cant boot. can i access it from my other ubuntu partition? - i cant do it by simply mounting it...
[09:47] <cutterjohn> snarky: it still applies that some dependency for xmms or xmms itself could be broken in hoary...
[09:48] <snarky> cutterjohn: that might be true, its not just xmms its all audio, but whats weird is the gnome system beeps come through my speakers
[09:49] <cutterjohn> snarky: I'm still on warty, best bet is to check with someone on hoary whose upgrade recently and see if they had a problem(warty->hoary, or just hoary internal updates...)
[09:49] <superfrog> ** QT PROBLEM: I have 'suddenly' a Segmentation Fault error for all application using QT! I have apt-get refreshed the qt packages and dependencies, with no success! Has anyone a ideal of a direction?****************
[09:49] <snarky> anyone on hoary here?
[09:49] <zhukov_> cutterjohn, what?
[09:49] <jcoxon77> snarky: that is esd , turn it off by Desktop -> Preferences -> Sound and turn off Sound Events and Enable sound server at startup
[09:49] <zhukov_> me
[09:50] <cutterjohn> zhukov_, what what?
[09:50] <snarky> jcoxon77: do i need to restart gnome for this to take effect?
[09:50] <jcoxon77> snarky: yes probably
[09:50] <snarky> jcoxon77: ok ill come back if i have more problems
[09:51] <superfrog> ** QT PROBLEM: I have 'suddenly' a Segmentation Fault error for all application using QT! I have apt-get refreshed the qt packages and dependencies, with no success! Has anyone a ideal of a direction?
[09:51] <zhukov_> cutterjohn, sorry, you were talking of warty-hoary
[09:52] <cutterjohn> zhukov: we were, but for snarky and his audio problems... I'm on dialup and don't feel like potentially having tons of new dls every day to fix(or break) things
[09:52] <snarky> jcoxon77: that didn't fix the problem
[09:53] <jcoxon77> snarky: have you turned on oss in xmms?
[09:53] <zhukov_> what is the problm?
[09:53] <cutterjohn> no sound/crashes in xmms for snarky who upgraded to hoary last night
[09:53] <zhukov_> apps stop when both produce sound
[09:53] <zhukov_> yup
[09:53] <zhukov_> ans amsn stores the sounds if you r listening music
[09:53] <snarky> bah making it like fast forward through the song (no sound)
[09:54] <jcoxon77> snarky: then try alsa
[09:54] <snarky> when oss is turned on
[09:54] <zhukov_> when it stops the sounds play all togher...
[09:54] <zhukov_> snarky, adding url will crash it to
[09:54] <snarky> that doesn't do anything either
[09:54] <snarky> zhukov_: sound worked on warty just find
[09:54] <jcoxon77> snarky: then i'm stumped
[09:54] <snarky> *fine
[09:55] <zhukov_> snarky, let em try some things here
[09:55] <cutterjohn> snarky: warty==stable, hoary==maybe broken
[09:55] <snarky> cutterjohn: yeah i know, but im saying its not like my sound card isnt recognized under ubuntu or anything
[09:55] <superfrog> ** QT PROBLEM: I have 'suddenly' a Segmentation Fault error for all application using QT! I have apt-get refreshed the qt packages and dependencies, with no success! Has anyone a ideal of a direction?
[09:56] <zhukov_> cutterjohn, the only problem so far is with nvu and a dependency and sound :D
[09:56] <zhukov_> hoh and shutting down
[09:56] <snarky> yeah and warty actually had more problems for me than hoary has
[09:56] <zhukov_> sometimes he doesnt
[09:56] <snarky> well that's xfree's fualt
[09:56] <cutterjohn> zhukov_: hows x.org?
[09:56] <snarky> *fault
[09:56] <snarky> ill answer that one...orgasmic
[09:57] <zhukov_> :D
[09:57] <snarky> gnome 2.9 is amazing as well
[09:57] <zhukov_> 2.9?
[09:57] <snarky> works better on ubuntu than it did on gentoo
[09:57] <zhukov_> im using 2.9?
[09:57] <zhukov_> lol
[09:57] <zhukov_> i am
[09:57] <cutterjohn> snarky: wow, warty's been pretty good for me on an ibook... sleep goes a little flakey once in a while, but better overall than yellowdog linux distro...
[09:57] <zhukov_> lololololololololololol
[09:58] <zhukov_> :D kind'a jump from 2.6
[09:58] <cutterjohn> snarky: went from 2.2 to 2.6...
[09:58] <cutterjohn> (source tarballs plus other dependencies WAY too much to d/l... binaries pre-made much better...)
[09:59] <zhukov_> snarky, damn...it crashed again...cd player+xmms=xmms stops
[09:59] <snarky> zhukov_: warty was 2.8
[09:59] <snarky> zhukov_: warty was the first distribution to embrace gnome 2.8
[09:59] <zhukov_> forcing quit will force you to reboot in order to reopen xmms
[10:00] <cutterjohn> snarky: I liked the "new" nautilus...
[10:00] <snarky> zhukov_: i don't have that problem
[10:00] <cutterjohn> spatial is good...
[10:00] <cutterjohn> (new defaults I should say...)
[10:00] <zhukov_> snarky, i'm new to ubuntu. I was gentoo, mandrake, fedora, debian and suse...and finally ubuntu :D And glad i am
[10:01] <snarky> zhukov_: i used ubuntu back when warty first came out (i switched from fedora but before that i had been using gentoo)
[10:01] <cutterjohn> zhukov: floppies->SLS->slackware->RedHate->Caldera->SuSE->Mandrake/YDL->Ubuntu...
[10:01] <snarky> and it was a disaster for me, my laptop has a widescreen, and xfree just doesnt work well for me
[10:01] <zhukov_> spectrum to
[10:01] <zhukov_> :D
[10:01] <encryptio> cutterjohn: what's "SLS"?
[10:01] <defile> anybody here using update-notifier in Hoary?
[10:02] <snarky> defile: i use it
[10:02] <cutterjohn> encryptio: ancient distro Softlanding Systems
[10:02] <cutterjohn> IIRC...
[10:02] <defile> snarky, how do you like it?
[10:02] <encryptio> hmm
[10:02] <cutterjohn> c. 1993/4?
[10:02] <zhukov_> when i started using gentoo i was wondering "what is this ls stuff all about?"
[10:02] <snarky> defile: well i obviously dont autodownload
[10:02] <zhukov_> rut?
[10:02] <snarky> defile: but it told me there was an update...and there was
[10:02] <defile> haha
[10:03] <zhukov_> :D 72 hours to install
[10:03] <snarky> defile: it said one update...and there was only one
[10:03] <snarky> so...so far so good
[10:03] <defile> cool
[10:03] <defile> snarky, I'm just debating on if I should install it or not =P
[10:04] <snarky> its worth it, i actually did take it off just now to streamline my desktop, cuz the transparent panels are so sexy i don't want to clutter them up
[10:04] <cutterjohn> encryptio: addendum, linux kernel was oh, IIRC in the 0.93 or 0.99plxx stage around SLS' time...
[10:04] <zhukov_> :S unf...xmms crashes, doesnt restarts and i cant log off...
[10:04] <zhukov_> :(
[10:04] <encryptio> wow
[10:04] <zhukov_> snarky, any advance so far?
[10:04] <encryptio> olden days
[10:04] <snarky> zhukov_: nope
[10:04] <cutterjohn> hence the ancient distro comment...
[10:04] <snarky> zhukov_: sound borked for you all around or just xmms
[10:05] <encryptio> ancient indeed.. !offtopic!
[10:05] <zhukov_> snarky, transparent what? were?
[10:05] <cutterjohn> zhukov_: hoary still good? };)
[10:05] <snarky> zhukov_: the panels are ENTIRELY transparent, including the taskbar (well that is if gnome 2.9 isnt bugging)
[10:05] <defile> zhukov_, right click on the panel and properties
[10:05] <zhukov_> snarky, xmms, mplayer (doesnt starts (a little icon apperas, and thats all)
[10:05] <zhukov_> xine wont play dvds
[10:05] <snarky> zhukov_: hmmm your problem is different than mine, i was watching a video earlier today, it just didnt have sound
[10:05] <zhukov_> (spent the afternoon intalling some thing, hope itworks now)
[10:06] <cutterjohn> (maybe you guys should go learn about editing XF86Config by hand...)
[10:06] <zhukov_> Its DVD test time
[10:06] <zhukov_> POW!!!
[10:06] <smsmasters> what was teh first linux
[10:06] <zhukov_> TRANSPARENT!
[10:06] <snarky> cutterjohn: those with widescreen monitors are masters at the xorg.conf/xfree86 config by hand
[10:06] <snarky> zhukov_: isnt that great?
[10:06] <xvers> HEY..i just installed ubuntu for amd64, and when i want to load windows xp. it doesnt appear on grub.. can anyone help please?
[10:06] <defile> smsmasters, the first Linux distro?
[10:07] <cutterjohn> snarky: you guys still get alot of it done for you...
[10:07] <zhukov_> (still druuuling snarky )
[10:07] <zhukov_> Its transparenting time
[10:07] <snarky> cutterjohn: back when i started i had to do it from scratch
[10:07] <defile> smsmasters, probably SLS, it's no longer around
[10:07] <smsmasters> the first linux
[10:07] <cutterjohn> smsmasters: I think that various universities like Texas A&M started with base floppy distros... kernel + plus some tarballs...
[10:07] <smsmasters> did they have a GUI before, or just command line
[10:07] <smsmasters> lol, they must have been shit
[10:07] <cutterjohn> smsmasters: just CLI
[10:07] <xvers> please...how can i configure grub?
[10:07] <defile> it started with just the command line
[10:08] <cutterjohn> smsmasters: the only other option at the time for most people would have been minix
[10:08] <smsmasters> i see
[10:08] <defile> X wasn't ported at first
[10:08] <zhukov_> snarky, doesnt work with trash and task bar :(
[10:08] <smsmasters> so, how invented linux
[10:08] <smsmasters> who*
[10:08] <cutterjohn> smsmasters: which I also ran...
[10:08] <defile> Linus Torvalds
[10:08] <cutterjohn> d'oh
[10:08] <Slaven> Linus Torvalds, hallowed be thy name!
[10:08] <snarky> cutterjohn: fedora crashed when i rand the xorgconfig program its like I HATE YOU
[10:08] <snarky_> bah my ssh crashed, sorry guys
[10:08] <zhukov_> snarky, doesnt work with trash and task bar :(
[10:08] <cutterjohn> }:)
[10:08] <snarky_> zhukov_: thats a bug
[10:09] <snarky_> zhukov_: it _should_ work with the task bar, it does sometimes and sometimes it doesnt
[10:09] <zhukov_> e dos grandes...
[10:09] <zhukov_>   patro
[10:09] <snarky_> the first linux distro btw was LFS
[10:09] <snarky_> if you want to be technical 8oP
[10:09] <cutterjohn> snarky: ok, autoconfig did not work at all, but you still get a helluva lot more internet support than in the good old days...
[10:09] <xvers> how do i configure GRUB?
[10:09] <zhukov_> and nautilus?
[10:09] <snarky_> cutterjohn: i didn't get any net support, but i did have a friend help me
[10:09] <cetanhota> running FC3 now on a dual boot XP / Linux system. How difficult will it be for me to install Ubuntu over top my current FC3 install?
[10:10] <snarky_> cutterjohn: cuz since i was such a n00b with linux i wasnt very good at navigating links
[10:10] <smsmasters> lfs = linux from scratch?
[10:10] <snarky_> hehe yeah
[10:10] <Rathma> http://www.freegeektoys.com/?r=182
[10:10] <cutterjohn> snarky: you prolly also could have pulled up the LCD panel specs from the manufacturer...
[10:10] <Rathma> http://www.freegeektoys.com/?r=182
[10:10] <cutterjohn> snarky: then figured out the settings...
[10:10] <snarky_> cutterjohn: i emailed hp...and it took them 4 months to respond
[10:10] <snarky_> cutterjohn: it was good ole fashioned trial and error
[10:10] <cutterjohn> snarky_: web page!
[10:11] <snarky_> cutterjohn: didnt have em posted
[10:11] <cutterjohn> snarky_: or manual, or don't they give all that good stuff when you buy hp stuff?
[10:11] <snarky_> cutterjohn: hp is sketchy sometimes
[10:11] <zhukov_> snarky_, it aint real!!!!!
[10:11] <snarky_> cutterjohn: well its a laptop
[10:11] <zhukov_> :(
[10:11] <snarky_> cutterjohn: and i had all the manuals put in a box at home
[10:11] <snarky_> zhukov_: whats not real?
[10:12] <zhukov_> the transparencies
[10:12] <cutterjohn> snarky_: there you go! NEVER leave home without the specs! }:)
[10:12] <snarky_> zhukov_: oh oh you mean thaaaat
[10:12] <snarky_> zhukov_: nah thatll be in like gnome 2.4
[10:12] <snarky_> *3.4
[10:12] <xvers> please.. does anyone know how to configure GRUB bootloader?
[10:12] <resiak> xvers: info grub does.
[10:12] <zhukov_> 2.4?
[10:12] <snarky_> zhukov_: but its not really gnome's deal with that xorg's compositing needs to get better first
[10:12] <zhukov_> ah
[10:12] <zhukov_> no
[10:12] <snarky_> zhukov_: it was a typo 3.4
[10:12] <zhukov_> i saw a guy with it
[10:13] <zhukov_> real transparency
[10:13] <snarky_> oh yeah you can have it
[10:13] <xvers> resiak: im a newbie.. anything easier?
[10:13] <snarky_> it just sucks and crashes and slows stuff down a lot
[10:13] <topyli> xvers: look at /boot/grub
[10:13] <umauhauhauha> i have mounted my fat32 partition, but i can only write in it if im not in any folder, for example i can write on /mnt/Win_C/ but not on /mnt/win_C/hello... what am i doing wrong?
[10:14] <cutterjohn> snarky: eyecandy takes LOTS of CPU/GPU power...
[10:14] <xvers> ok
[10:14] <LinkMasterSab> Yay, Starcraft kinda works on Linux
[10:14] <LinkMasterSab> Kinda
[10:14] <snarky_> cutterjohn: yeah thats why its not a good idea
[10:14] <cutterjohn> (esp what passes for current eyecandy)
[10:14] <linuxboy> LinkMasterSab: how? wine?
[10:14] <zhukov_> cutterjohn, yeah, but some eyecandy wont hurt you
[10:14] <GammaRay> xvers: gnome-system-tools has a grub config tool but it's stripped outg of the ubuntu version.
[10:14] <LinkMasterSab> linuxboy, Yeah
[10:14] <umauhauhauha> hu the eyecandy isnt any slow
[10:14] <snarky_> cutterjohn: but gnome 2.9's transparent panels are the sexy good kind of eye candy that dont mess things up
[10:14] <cutterjohn> zhukov_: it does if it sucks away my CPU/GPU cycles on display garbage...
[10:14] <xvers> can i apt-get it?
[10:14] <superfrog> Has anyone has a 'segmentation fault' with all QT-based application?
[10:14] <umauhauhauha> if you have a gforce
[10:14] <zhukov_> i hate working in a hugly desktop :P
[10:15] <xvers> gammaray: can i apt-get it?
[10:15] <LinkMasterSab> Although the panels still show up
[10:15] <snarky_> cutterjohn: yeah i had drop shadows when i was working in xfce and im like hellll no this is slowing things down....it gets turned off
[10:15] <zhukov_> cutterjohn, we must find the balance :)
[10:15] <cutterjohn> snarky_: yep, I turn them off in OSX too...
[10:15] <umauhauhauha> and xcompmgr its rellay stable, it crash about once a day, but only xcompmgr, not xorg
[10:15] <LinkMasterSab> And the sound doesn't work
[10:15] <snarky_> cutterjohn: ah didnt know osx had em, do you have a g5?
[10:15] <superfrog> Has anyone had a 'segmentation fault' with all QT-based application? (k3b, skype...)
[10:16] <topyli> xvers: you probably want to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst - but i guess the gnome tool is in universe too (grubconf i guess)
[10:16] <GammaRay> xvers: not totally sure if that would work. it might be a better idea to compile gst yourself and install it in your home dir
[10:16] <cutterjohn> snarky_: G4, I really don't have a good reason for a G5 yet, and I want to build an AMD64 system first anyways...
[10:16] <xvers> ok..il try thanks
[10:16] <snarky_> cutterjohn: i wanna g5 and rock gentoo on it
[10:16] <bob2> yeah, if you have that much cpu power, you might as well waste it!
[10:16] <cutterjohn> snarky_: Tiger, I only run linux on my older stuff o.w. latest & greatest OSX...
[10:17] <GammaRay> xvers: grubconf sounds promising
[10:17] <xvers> ill try dling it
[10:17] <xvers> thanks
[10:17] <snarky_> cutterjohn: i dont like osx that much...i have a multiple mouse button fetish
[10:17] <zhukov_> cutterjohn, so you know how lovelly a nice desktop is :)
[10:17] <umauhauhauha> i have mounted my fat32 partition, but i can only write in it if im not in any folder, for example i can write on /mnt/Win_C/ but not on /mnt/win_C/hello... what am i doing wrong?
[10:17] <zhukov_> ITS WORKING!
[10:17] <snarky_> zhukov_: sound?
[10:18] <zhukov_> Its (/&%/%(/)=(!!! :d :D
[10:18] <zhukov_> ahahahahahahah :D
[10:18] <superfrog> Has anyone had a 'segmentation fault' with all QT-based application? (k3b, skype...)
[10:18] <cutterjohn> snarky_: erm, thats why all of my mice are multibutton. No one is forcing you to use the crappy Apple mouse...(or keyboard for that matter...  I only tolerate them on notebooks to save carrying bulk)
[10:18] <zhukov_> dvd
[10:18] <zhukov_> its working
[10:18] <zhukov_> but no sound...
[10:18] <cutterjohn> snarky_: plus DVD, etc work a helluva lot better under OSX...
[10:18] <zhukov_> ok snarky_ team work now :D
[10:18] <snarky_> cutterjohn: ah i thought you were forced for the 1 button with osx, i've only used ones that are other peoples
[10:18] <snarky_> zhukov_: ok so you're where i am
[10:19] <cutterjohn> snarky_: plus you can easily run just about any OSS app, even pre-compiled by a repo if you really want...
[10:20] <beowuff> Anybody have any luck running Ubuntu on a Compaq Presario 1200 notebook?
[10:20] <zhukov_> damn
[10:20] <zhukov_> my ears
[10:20] <zhukov_> au
[10:20] <snarky_> cutterjohn: yeah all i know is that osx is a hell of a lot better than that other mach b.s.
[10:20] <zhukov_> :'(
[10:20] <snarky_> snarky_: i hated mach
[10:20] <snarky_> hahah i just told myself something
[10:21] <zhukov_> sound at max (was earing tsssssssss (thought it was the film))so i opened a menu (headphones) and the drums played...
[10:21] <zhukov_> turum
[10:21] <snarky_> snarky_: you're one good looking guy you know that
[10:21] <snarky_> zhukov_: thats good, what did you do to fix it?
[10:21] <zhukov_> no no
[10:21] <zhukov_> it was the system sound
[10:21] <snarky_> oh i thought you meant the ubuntu drums
[10:22] <zhukov_> im trying to find out if the tsss is the sound really low
[10:22] <zhukov_> i still have a few things to try...
[10:22] <zhukov_> w8
[10:22] <snarky_> run alsamixer and look at it
[10:22] <cutterjohn> snarky_: drawback is the crappy Apple annual $130 update fee if you want to stay OSX current... big negative in my book, esp considering the paucity of new "features" usually hawked...
[10:23] <zhukov_> hmm...
[10:23] <snarky_> cutterjohn: whoa...thats rediculous, i never knew that
[10:23] <zhukov_> snarky_, have you ever listened to any sound there?
[10:23] <smsmasters> check the package manager, php4 isnt there
[10:23] <zhukov_> Was an update in between?
[10:23] <snarky_> zhukov_: alsamixer is for changing sound levels and such
[10:23] <cutterjohn> snarky_: in the old days they used to give you $30 upgrade coupons, and upgrades were mroe widely spaced and actually had real features... now it's like Apple begging on the street corner or something...
[10:23] <zhukov_> there=dvds, etc
[10:23] <snarky_> cutterjohn: man thats rediculous
[10:24] <cutterjohn> snarky_: gotta meet those profit forecasts some how, I guess...
[10:24] <snarky_> cutterjohn: i was thining about getting a little 12 inch ibook for like 500 bucks just to have a teeny nb to throw around, but thats just wack
[10:24] <snarky_> i would probably port ubuntu to it at that point, ive heard good things about ubuntu and ppc
[10:25] <zhukov_> its alsa
[10:25] <zhukov_> :D
[10:25] <cutterjohn> snarky_ just run ubuntu on it... thats a big part of the reason why I run linux on my older machines... save on licensing... plus all the CPU cycle killing eyecandy, features, er whatever they are supposed to be...
[10:25] <zhukov_> found a pattern
[10:26] <snarky_> cutterjohn: i think the best thing about mac osx is that desklet like thing with aim where its transparent and has your buddy list on your desktop with no window around it or anything
[10:26] <zhukov_> wow hes bad crahsed synap
[10:26] <snarky_> zhukov_: ah damn
[10:26] <beowuff> Anybody try rinning winex?
[10:26] <snarky_> cutterjohn: thats just pure secks to me
[10:26] <zhukov_> xined runned
[10:26] <beowuff> 'running'
[10:26] <zhukov_> :d yurray
[10:27] <snarky_> zhukov_: do you have sound?
[10:27] <cutterjohn> snarky_: er.. dunno, don't run IM apps anymore, tried 'em years ago, said BFD, and pretty much ignored them since... asynch comms only unless I'm in IRC or a FPS...
[10:27] <locutus1976> Does ubuntu make a good web/file/print server?
[10:27] <smsmasters> php4 isnt on the synaptic package manager
[10:27] <snarky_> cutterjohn: yeah it just looked really cool, it would probably get old
[10:28] <snarky_> cutterjohn: and is probably rediculously cpu heavy
[10:28] <cutterjohn> snarky_: annoying, like cell phones...
[10:28] <snarky_> cutterjohn: or debian users
[10:28] <randabis> locutus1976, sure
[10:28] <topyli> locutus1976: sure, just like debian
[10:28] <cutterjohn> (thats why everyone gets my voicemail }:)
[10:28] <zhukov_> snarky_, no
[10:28] <zhukov_> w8
[10:29] <zhukov_> alsa is down
[10:29] <snarky_> zhukov_: its down?
[10:29] <zhukov_> yes alsa is down
[10:29] <zhukov_> I say again ALSA IS DOWN!
[10:29] <smsmasters>  php4 isnt on the synaptic package manager help
[10:29] <zhukov_> Abort mission!
[10:29] <zhukov_> :D
[10:29] <snarky_> zhukov_: how is it down?
[10:30] <randabis> smsmasters, you probably don't have the universe repository enabled
[10:30] <cutterjohn> (there's this line that say: OOPS ...  }:)
[10:30] <smsmasters> does it show up in ur package manager, php4?
[10:31] <snarky_> zhukov_: did you do today's upgrade for hoary?
[10:31] <altan> hi guys, I did something hilariously stupid and edited /etc/sudoers without double-checking to make sure that I got the option right. Now I can't sudo nano /etc/sudoers because I get a parsing error.
[10:31] <snarky_> zhukov_: cuz its h00g
[10:31] <snarky_> zhukov_: that may fix sound
[10:31] <cutterjohn> snarky_, zhukov_ going to be heading out, but whats with the _s?
[10:32] <snarky_> cutterjohn: no news yet, but theres a large hoary upgrade that must have come out this afternoon, so maybe that will fix it
[10:32] <snarky_> cutterjohn: ubuntu_base and a bunch of other key stuff is updated
[10:32] <smsmasters> i have the universe repository enabled
[10:32] <altan> so, uh, I've sort of locked myself out of my own machine. Is there any way I can fix this, short of restarting in some sort of recovery mode?
[10:32] <cutterjohn> snarky_: hope you have broadband...
[10:32] <snarky_> cutterjohn: yep :-)
[10:32] <cutterjohn> snarky_, zhukov_; cya
[10:32] <snarky_> cutterjohn: cya
[10:32] <snarky_> zhukov_: im gonna reboot, ill tell you if it works
[10:34] <topyli> altan: define "locked out" :)
[10:34] <zhukov_> This is the most strage
[10:34] <zhukov_> *strange
[10:34] <zhukov_> unbeliavble
[10:34] <zhukov_> wtf
[10:34] <altan> topyli: this is a fresh install and the first thing I did was edit /etc/sudoers
[10:34] <zhukov_> and i wish i had a camcorder thing i ever saw
[10:35] <topyli> altan: so far so good
[10:35] <zhukov_> hoary is using my network card as a sound card...
[10:35] <altan> unfortunately, I messed it up and it gets a parsing error now. This means I don't know how to get root access anymore, and I obviously can't edit it again without root access
[10:35] <topyli> altan: did you use visudo or an editor
[10:35] <topyli> ?
[10:35] <altan> sudo nano /etc/sudoers
[10:36] <kbrooks> :|
[10:36] <topyli> altan: there's a lesson for you :)
[10:36] <toxickore> anybody has experimented some problems using nagios under ubuntu?
[10:36] <altan> yeah. so I'm guessing I can't fix this without a reboot?
[10:36] <toxickore> i can't get nagios running
[10:36] <snarky> zhukov_: well...it didnt fix the sound
[10:36] <topyli> altan: i guess you'll have to go to single user mode and change root password :(
[10:36] <Guy-Montag> is anyone here experienced with crontab creation and format?
[10:37] <snarky> zhukov_: buuuuut.....it gave a bit more verbose info on sound failure
[10:37] <altan> topyli: I'm going to just undo the changes I made, that should work?
[10:37] <topyli> altan: yeah, worth a try
[10:37] <altan> okay then, bbl
[10:38] <snarky> zhukov_: it says could not open resource for writing, then could not pause playback (two seperate error windows)
[10:38] <umauhauhauha> i have mounted my fat32 partition, but i can only write in it if im not in any folder, for example i can write on /mnt/Win_C/ but not on /mnt/win_C/hello... what am i doing wrong?
[10:38] <zhukov_> snarky, that was were i was 2 days ago
[10:38] <zhukov_> :D
[10:38] <apokryphos> When I Run Command > Synaptic, shouldn't it ask me for the password rather than just not allowing me to open it unless via root terminal?
[10:39] <zhukov_> now im using my network card a a sound card and appearently ir can plays beeep beeep
[10:39] <zhukov_> ho ho
[10:39] <zhukov_> and the tssssssssssssssssssssssss
[10:39] <topyli> apokryphos: yes
[10:40] <topyli> apokryphos: unless you've done root stuff recently, in which case it might still remember you
[10:40] <apokryphos> topyli: For me it says, "You must run this program as the root user"
[10:40] <snarky> zhukov_: im gonna take a break from the sound issue
[10:40] <snarky> zhukov_: if you get a solution:email me if it suits you
[10:40] <Dr_Aevil> apokryphos: you should run the command with gksu synaptic
[10:40] <Dr_Aevil> as it's gksu that makes that dialogue
[10:41] <snowblink> apokryphos: gksudo synaptic
[10:41] <topyli> gksudo IIRC
[10:41] <snarky> zhukov_: i pmed you my email
[10:41] <apokryphos> Dr_Aevil: Ah, I see
[10:41] <snarky> zhukov_: ttyl
[10:41] <apokryphos> Excellent; thanks guys.
[10:41] <Dr_Aevil> gksu is fine :)
[10:42] <snowblink> Guy-Montag: man crontab, crontab -l, crontab -e
[10:42] <zhukov_> what?
[10:42] <zhukov_> ho
[10:43] <toxickore> anybody has had problems trying to run nagios under ubuntu?
[10:44] <Guy-Montag> yes, I created the crontab
[10:44] <marcusdaniel> hello
[10:44] <zhukov_> rbut
[10:45] <Guy-Montag> but the process doesn't seem to run
[10:45] <snowblink> Dr_Aevil: not if you haven't enabled root
[10:45] <Guy-Montag> I'm not sure if I have the formatting wrong or what
[10:45] <Guy-Montag> is there a crontab log?
[10:45] <Dr_Aevil> snowblink: weird ubuntu logic :)
[10:46] <snowblink> Guy-Montag: usually you get mailed any problems
[10:47] <Guy-Montag> here's the line in question
[10:47] <Guy-Montag> 30 7  * * * ./home/james/wakeup
[10:47] <snowblink> Guy-Montag: you have an extraneous period
[10:47] <Guy-Montag> trying to get it to run a shell script @ 7:30am every day
[10:47] <snowblink> Guy-Montag: 30 7  * * * /home/james/wakeu
[10:47] <snowblink> p
[10:47] <Guy-Montag> ok
[10:48] <Guy-Montag> does the crontab need a header of any sort?
[10:48] <snowblink> Guy-Montag: nope
[10:48] <Atomsk> does anyone here connect to their machine remotely?
[10:48] <Guy-Montag> just a line with the process and date/time?
[10:49] <snowblink> Guy-Montag: your line is good. Just make sure the command can run without env variables
[10:49] <snowblink> Atomsk: yes
[10:49] <Guy-Montag> ahhhh
[10:49] <Atomsk> I'd like to access my GUI remotely and need a few pointers to get started...
[10:49] <Guy-Montag> I have the following commented out as I wasn't sure if it was needed
[10:49] <Guy-Montag> #SHELL=/bin/sh
[10:49] <Guy-Montag> #PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
[10:49] <snowblink> Atomsk: Computer->Desktop Pref->Remote Desktop
[10:49] <snowblink> Atomsk: then you need vncviewer from the machine you're using
[10:50] <Brad> Hi guys
[10:50] <Atomsk> snowblink: heh...I'm using ssh now :/ Is there any way to do that on the command line?
[10:50] <snowblink> Guy-Montag: You can test it by setting it a few minutes into the future from now
[10:50] <snowblink> Atomsk: you can run vncserver
[10:51] <Brad> I've just done an install and the system seems REALLY sluggish at times. Any pointers on issues I could look into to resolve this?
[10:51] <snowblink> Atomsk: or ssh X
[10:51] <umauhauhauha> i have mounted my fat32 partition, but i can only write in it if im not in any folder, for example i can write on /mnt/Win_C/ but not on /mnt/win_C/hello... what am i doing wrong?
[10:51] <Guy-Montag> ok
[10:51] <snowblink> umauhauhauha: check your umask
[10:52] <Atomsk> snowblink: there's a license of X-Win32 here and I'm on Windows. You think my setup can handle it?
[10:52] <website> what are the differencie between a ubuntu and a debian package?
[10:52] <kbrooks> snowblink, HOLD IT
[10:52] <umauhauhauha> umask where?
[10:52] <kbrooks> snowblink, HOLD IT
[10:52] <kbrooks> umauhauhauha, did you use mount?
[10:52] <snowblink> kbrooks: OKAY! ;)
[10:52] <umauhauhauha> yeah
[10:53] <kbrooks> snowblink, well, there you go. "don't assume"
[10:53] <Atomsk> website: ubuntu packages are tailored for ubuntu...
[10:53] <kbrooks> umauhauhauha, use something like this
[10:53] <Brad> any chance that using a Riva TNT2 16MB would cause the system to lag?
[10:53] <Atomsk> website: but they are similar and might work both ways...
[10:54] <Atomsk> website: they might also break something...
[10:54] <kbrooks> umauhauhauha, mount -t fat32 -o umask=0775 /dev/ice /mnt/partition
[10:54] <GammaRay> kbrooks, umauhauhauha: w/ 2.6 it's better to use fmask and dmask
[10:54] <umauhauhauha> kbrooks:  it says fs type fat32
[10:55] <umauhauhauha> not supported by kernel
[10:55] <kbrooks> umauhauhauha, also, chmod /mnt/partition to the exact value as umask (minus the 0)
[10:55] <GammaRay> vfat is what you want
[10:55] <kbrooks> umauhauhauha, vfat.
[10:55] <lifeless> kbrooks: umask has its bits inverted from chmod
[10:55] <website> Atomsk, yes i know i was a debian developer and now i wanna build ubuntu packages but i don't see differencies between a package from debian with one from ubuntu
[10:55] <website> (control file ecc)
[10:56] <lifeless> website: the formats are the same. the version numbers change when its more than just a rebuild on ubuntu.
[10:56] <GammaRay> umask "takes away permissions"
[10:56] <website> only the ubuntu-revision- is attacked at the package
[10:56] <umauhauhauha> it say is already mounted
[10:57] <snowblink> umauhauhauha: sudo umount /mnt/win_C
[10:57] <kbrooks> umauhauhauha, umount it. THEN chmod 755 /mnt/partition
[10:57] <website> lifeless, yes it is true but how do you talk about zip and bzip packages? one is renameb for ubuntu but the other is with the standard version name and it is recognised as ubuntu package
[10:57] <kbrooks> and then `sudo chown ...` it.
[10:58] <umauhauhauha> device is busy
[10:58] <snowblink> umauhauhauha: mount -t vfat /dev/hd(something) /mnt/win_C
[10:58] <Jeremy_D> hello all
[10:58] <Jeremy_D> i need some help
[10:58] <snowblink> umauhauhauha: cd out of /mnt/win_C
[10:58] <umauhauhauha> im out
[10:58] <umauhauhauha> now
[10:58] <snowblink> umauhauhauha: sudo umount /mnt/win_C
[10:59] <Jeremy_D> i have installed ubuntu i think, however during when it connects to the net and downloads packages, it says there are errors.. then it takes me to a login eventually...
[10:59] <umauhauhauha> it keeps saying that device is busy
[10:59] <snowblink> umauhauhauha: mount -t vfat -o umask=0000 /dev/hd(something) /mnt/win_C
[10:59] <Jeremy_D> i dont have a user name or pass...
[10:59] <Jeremy_D> what do i do?
[10:59] <snowblink> umauhauhauha: lsof /mnt/win_C
[10:59] <umauhauhauha> and now snowblink ?
[11:00] <snowblink> umauhauhauha: did that return anything?
[11:00] <umauhauhauha> nope
[11:00] <Guardiann> Jeremy_D during the installl it asks you for your name user name and a password
[11:00] <vguerra_> hi all
[11:00] <Jeremy_D> i didnt get there obviously :(
[11:00] <Jeremy_D> ugh
[11:00] <snowblink> umauhauhauha: make sure you have nothing open in /mnt/win_C.
[11:00] <vguerra_> im having problems doing an apt-get update
[11:00] <Atomsk> website: most ubuntu packages forked from Debian packages...
[11:00] <Jeremy_D> i thought this was supposed to be easier than debian...
[11:00] <snowblink> umauhauhauha: like a shell, or nautilus
[11:00] <umauhauhauha> im really sure
[11:00] <Jeremy_D> i want it so badly :'(
[11:00] <umauhauhauha> only akonsole open
[11:01] <umauhauhauha> and it is in home
[11:01] <website> Atomsk, yes i know but sinaptic can detect them (debian one from ubuntu one) and i wanna discover how it is possible
[11:01] <snowblink> umauhauhauha: mount -l
[11:01] <Atomsk> website: sorry cant help you there
[11:01] <Atomsk> website: maybe from the repository?
[11:01] <umauhauhauha> now?
[11:02] <snowblink> umauhauhauha: is it still mounted?
[11:02] <umauhauhauha> yep
[11:02] <website> Atomsk, yes maybe yes!
[11:03] <umauhauhauha> ?
[11:04] <snowblink> umauhauhauha: are you IRCing from the same machine?
[11:04] <umauhauhauha> ?yeah
[11:04] <snowblink> umauhauhauha: close your terminal. Open a new one
[11:04] <Guy-Montag> does crontab generate a log?
[11:04] <Atomsk> does anyone connect to their X11 remotely using Windows here?
[11:05] <umauhauhauha> device is busy
[11:05] <terry_> Atomsk, how do you do that?? I wanna do that
[11:05] <terry_> Atomsk, something free though, I cant afford exeed
[11:05] <Atomsk> terry_: Well I know there are several ways but exactly how I'm not sure thats why i ask...
[11:05] <snowblink> umauhauhauha: do you want to be able to access this all the time?
[11:05] <terry_> Atomsk, you can use vnc
[11:05] <Atomsk> terry_: yes but I cant use vnc here...
[11:05] <umauhauhauha> i only want to use the fat32 partition to download files
[11:06] <terry_> Atomsk, otherwise you need an Xserver on your Windows Box
[11:06] <umauhauhauha> and reading from it
[11:06] <snowblink> umauhauhauha: do you want to access this drive whenever you reboot?
[11:06] <umauhauhauha> yeah
[11:06] <snowblink> umauhauhauha: would recommend setting that up and rebooting
[11:06] <Atomsk> terry_: I do have an X11 server...but I'm worried about XDMCP
[11:06] <mirak> Atomsk: google nx and freenx
[11:06] <umauhauhauha> sooooooooo what do i do now?
[11:06] <mirak> Atomsk: and /join #freenx
[11:07] <mirak> hum no /join #nx
[11:07] <snowblink> umauhauhauha: Read and follow this http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[11:07] <mirak> you can do remote control with X with 56k with this thing
[11:07] <umauhauhauha> thanks
[11:08] <Atomsk> mirak: do I need to install anything?
[11:09] <mirak> Atomsk: yes
[11:09] <mirak> wait
[11:09] <Guy-Montag> ah
[11:09] <Guy-Montag> crontab does generate a log
[11:09] <Guy-Montag> and it mails it to me
[11:10] <Guy-Montag> how can I use a GUI mail client like thunderbird to check my mail on my box?
[11:10] <mirak> Atomsk: you must download the NX client for windows on the NX website
[11:10] <randabis-laptop> setup an account and click a few buttons?
[11:10] <Guy-Montag> lol
[11:10] <Guy-Montag> well, yes, but what is the configuration I'd use?
[11:10] <snowblink> Guy-Montag: your local mail is probably in /var/log/username
[11:11] <Guy-Montag> it is indeed
[11:11] <Guy-Montag> can I view it through thunderbird?
[11:11] <snowblink> Guy-Montag: should be able to
[11:11] <Guy-Montag> spiff
[11:11] <Atomsk> mirak: ok thanks
[11:11] <Guy-Montag> what are the settings for accessing a mail account on your local machine?
[11:11] <pmcdonnell> Does Ubuntu copy the Debian way of not realising software updates and stuff so that the "stable" version gets outdated very quickly
[11:12] <mirak> Atomsk: then add this lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:12] <umauhauhauha> now its unmounted XD
[11:12] <mirak> #freenx
[11:12] <mirak> deb http://archive.kalyxo.org/ experimental main
[11:12] <mirak> deb-src http://archive.kalyxo.org/ experimental main
[11:12] <pmcdonnell> *releasing
[11:12] <mjr> pmcdonnell, ubuntu has a time-based release policy, every six months
[11:12] <spiral> mirak: why do you use this repo ?
[11:12] <pmcdonnell> mjr, I see
[11:12] <mirak> Atomsk: then install nx related stuffs.
[11:12] <mirak> spiral: you know another one ?
[11:13] <mjr> but a stable release stays stable and only bugfixes and security updates go in
[11:13] <mirak> I only know this one
[11:13] <spiral> hmmm, for nx related stuffs... ah yeah... maybe...
[11:13] <vguerra_> hi all
[11:13] <mirak> Atomsk: asks for support on #nx they are cool
[11:13] <Atomsk> mirak: does this repository work well with warty?
[11:13] <spiral> but this repo isn't signed... :-/
[11:13] <vguerra_> im having problems when updating my ubuntu box
[11:13] <mirak> Atomsk: it should work
[11:14] <ozan> hi, i get an error message like this: "connot open font file ter-916f" i think it is because i tried to install ubuntu in my own language: turkish... any idea how to correct this?
[11:14] <smsmasters> isnt there 4.3.10 php in package manager
[11:14] <dgtl> hi everyone
[11:14] <ozan> s/connot/cannot
[11:14] <vguerra_> i get subprocess gzip returned and error code (1)
[11:15] <vguerra_> when fetching archive.ubuntu.com/dists/hoary/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[11:15] <vguerra_> does any one have idea why is it?
[11:16] <dgtl> anyone know where to find good font settings for Firefox... would like everything to look as in IE on Windows if possible got all the fonts installed
[11:16] <umauhauhauha> .  /dev/hdb1        /mnt/DiscoD        vfat       defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 is this write for a fat32 partition if i want to be read/wrtite?
[11:17] <snowblink> umauhauhauha: any reason to not follow the ubuntuguide?
[11:20] <Atomsk> mirak: it seems warty's png library is too old for freenx
[11:21] <tsw> what would be a _easy_ iptables gui for ubuntu?
[11:21] <spiral> tsw: firestarter
[11:22] <tsw> spiral: thanks
[11:23] <raphael> hi there, i'm here cause i have an anoying problem with ubuntu, i'm using gnome and under X or Xorg the numlock turns off everytime i switch the window, and i doesnt turn on qhen i switch back, can antone give me a clue?
[11:24] <raphael> under warty version it doesnt happen
[11:24] <raphael> only under hoary
[11:25] <vguerra_> im having problems when updating my ubuntu box
[11:25] <vguerra_> i get some gzip errors when fetching some Packages.gz
[11:26] <vguerra_> does anybody knows if have there been problems with the repositories of hoary?
[11:27] <umauhauhauha> snowblink: but i need the fstab lines
[11:27] <umauhauhauha> dont?
[11:27] <snowblink> umauhauhauha: read on http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountfat
[11:28] <umauhauhauha> doh
[11:29] <_santiago_> hi, is there something like packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[11:30] <umauhauhauha> thanks!
[11:31] <umauhauhauha> now it works
[11:31] <timlinux> hello all ubuntu'ers! I just installed last night and am fairly pleased so far with the minor exception of the fact that gnome is the de of choice rather than kde
[11:31] <timlinux> I installed kde via apt
[11:31] <timlinux> but
[11:32] <timlinux> all the fonts are absolutely whacko
[11:32] <timlinux> I cant read any text on the dialgs
[11:32] <vguerra_> could someone point me where to find the repositories for "hoary" please
[11:32] <umauhauhauha> hum timlinux kde in ubuntu repos is very carppy
[11:32] <timlinux> does anyone know a) how to fix that and b) where I can get sources list entry for kde 3.4 beta I saw mentioned on ubuntu forum?
[11:33] <umauhauhauha> i installed kde with the unstable debian repos
[11:33] <timlinux> umauhauhauha, ah right
[11:33] <_santiago_> is not there a system like packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[11:33] <timlinux> umauhauhauha, any chance you can dump me your sources.list in a separate channel
[11:34] <timlinux> ?
[11:34] <umauhauhauha> yep
[11:34] <Riddell> _santiago_: sadly no
[11:34] <timlinux> umauhauhauha, thanks
[11:34] <HillTop> The wiki says (about dual boot with Windows) "Install Ubuntu the 'easy way' but DO NOT allow it to override MBR." Where in the process does one not override MBR?
[11:35] <_santiago_> Riddell, :'( ok, thanks
[11:36] <WizzoMaFizzo> I was wondering if anyone is willing to help me with a problem regarding webmin on ubuntu?
[11:37] <WizzoMaFizzo> I've tried installing it by downloading it from the websie aswell as with apt-get.
[11:37] <WizzoMaFizzo> But both times it never gives me a password or username to use.
[11:37] <WizzoMaFizzo> And the ubuntu passwords don't work.
[11:38] <WizzoMaFizzo> Is there a default password I need to use?
[11:38] <WizzoMaFizzo> Or some way I can set it?
[11:39] <WizzoMaFizzo> Anyone?
[11:39] <geppy> I've just reinstalled Warty, but with my old home directory.  Every time that I try to open an application, I get these errors:
[11:39] <geppy> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[11:39] <geppy> Xlib: No protocol specified
[11:39] <geppy> (rhythmbox:19941): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[11:39] <crimsun> WizzoMaFizzo: there should be pointers wrt webmin on the forum
[11:40] <WizzoMaFizzo> Ok.
[11:40] <geppy> Any advice?
[11:40] <randabis> I didn't have that problem with webmin...I ran the setup program and it made me choose a username and password
[11:46] <ali_> re
[11:46] <shock> man! this gnome-theme-manager has a BAD memory leak?
[11:47] <shock> argh
[11:49] <ali_> ++
[11:50] <topyli> randabis: what i did was enable root, ran webmin as root, created another webmin user in webmin (me), and re-disabled root
[11:53] <marcusdaniel> can I ask a basic question, maybe someone knows the answer?
[11:54] <marcusdaniel> How do I burn the ppc ISO image?
[11:54] <jpwain> Do you have OS X?
[11:54] <marcusdaniel> yes
[11:54] <marcusdaniel> 10.3.7
[11:54] <jpwain> Run Disk Utility and choose Open from the Images menu
[11:54] <marcusdaniel> i get some system error when i try to burn.. i wasted 2 CDs burning with toast
[11:54] <jpwain> Load the .ISO and hit burn
[11:55] <jpwain> I'd try Disk Util over toast
[11:55] <jpwain> (or, alternately, Fireburner or maybe Missing Media Burner)
[11:55] <marcusdaniel> it quits/crashes
[11:55] <jpwain> Disk Util does?
[11:55] <marcusdaniel> yes
[11:55] <jpwain> Hmm
[11:55] <Stew2> marcusdaniel Toast is a roxio product, I used nero on the PC if I have windows.
[11:55] <jpwain> Perhaps the .ISO is corrupt
[11:55] <marcusdaniel> instantly
[11:56] <Stew2> marcusdaniel there's probably other programs out there. Can you mount the ISO with Disk Util?
[11:56] <marcusdaniel> yes i suspected a corrupt iso file because i tried to do a md5 checksum and it said theres nothing to checksum
[11:56] <jpwain> Yeah, try mounting it and browsing the filesystem
[11:56] <marcusdaniel> and then crashed also
[11:56] <jpwain> Sounds corrupt
[11:56] <marcusdaniel> well i can mount it and see whats on it
[11:56] <marcusdaniel> ok you recommend to download it again?
[11:56] <jpwain> Yes
[11:56] <jpwain> And MD5 it to be sure if you want
[11:56] <marcusdaniel> ok thanks alot. I very much appreciate everyones help
[11:56] <marcusdaniel> ok
[11:56] <marcusdaniel> :D
[11:56] <marcusdaniel> thanks!!!!
[11:57] <Stew2> marcusdaniel If you can't mount it and browse around,then yeah, redownload it.
[11:57] <marcusdaniel> ok
[11:57] <marcusdaniel> thanks!
[11:57] <jpwain> I have a question of my own actually, maybe someone who knows Ubuntu on x86 can help
[11:57] <jpwain> I've got open-ssh installed but I can't connect to the machine from outside itself
[11:58] <jpwain> And I don't know if there's a firewall running that's blocking port 22 or what
[11:58] <Stew2> jpwain is there some config for open-ssh that defines where you can connect from?
[11:58] <lance_> ps -ef | grep sshd
[11:58] <lance_> netstat -an | grep 22
[11:58] <Stew2> jpwain like an open-ssh.conf inside of /etc or something.
[11:58] <jpwain> Yeah, I'll check that... but Ubuntu has no firewall by default?
[11:58] <Stew2> jpwain Lance is telling you to check for the service, I hear you saying the service is running, so that's not the problem.
[11:59] <bob2> jpwain: of course
[11:59] <Stew2> jpwain You can connect from the local machine, eh?
[11:59] <jpwain> I believe it is running -- ps aux | grep ssh shows the sshd
[11:59] <marcin_ant> hi, I have strange error in evolution
[11:59] <bob2> there's no reason to have a firewall by default
[11:59] <jpwain> and yes I can ssh from the local machine... to localhost
[11:59] <jpwain> But not from any external location on the LAN
[11:59] <Stew2> jpwain: Yeah, so it's a firewall you need to open the port on, which I don't think there is a firewall by default.
[11:59] <marcin_ant> when I input some task or appointment - then I got dialog with this message