[12:00] <Stew2> jpwain: Or it's a list of IP's you allow connection from, somewhere in the config
[12:00] <jpwain> Stew2: Right, that's where I got hung up. Not sure where to look.
[12:00] <lance_> does the remote client have a firewall that is blocking the outbound ssh
[12:00] <jpwain> Nope
[12:00] <Stew2> jpwain: Usually a .conf file in /etc.
[12:00] <marcin_ant> Error on file:///[myhomefolder] /.evolution/calendar/local/system: Can't save calendar data: Malformed URI
[12:00] <jpwain> Note this is a totally virgin install of openssh and so I haven't done any configuration
[12:01] <jpwain> Stew2: I wouldn't have guessed that OpenSSH has that sort of setup (blocking external addresses by default) but i'll checked
[12:01] <Stew2> jpwain: I don't think I've used open-ssh, just whatever sshd is installed in ubuntu by default.
[12:01] <marcin_ant> but these entries are saved in calendar - I only need to click Ok on this error message
[12:01] <jpwain> There is no sshd!
[12:01] <Stew2> jpwain: So I doubt it's a firewall issue.
[12:01] <marcin_ant> can anyone help me with this thing?
[12:01] <Stew2> jpwain: Really. Hmmm. I thought there was one installed by default.
[12:01] <shock> Error on file:///[myhomefolder] /.evolution/calendar/local/system: Can't save calendar data: Malformed URI <--- bingo I have the very same error
[12:01] <shock> :(
[12:02] <lance_> as I recall from my ubuntu install, the ssh client was installed, but not the service.
[12:02] <Stew2> jpwain: Well, in that case, not the machine I'm on, but it is possible...
[12:02] <shock> no solution found so far
[12:02] <jpwain> I hunted around on the Ubuntu website and everything I read instructed to install openssh with apt-get
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install ssh
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> and it works
[12:02] <jpwain> Right
[12:02] <Stew2> jpwain: Don't know what I used. I didn't have to configure the sshd though to allow connections from outside the box.
[12:02] <jpwain> not openssh?
 make shure you tell me if you find a solution
[12:02] <jpwain> Maybe my problem was apt-getting openssh rather than just ssh
[12:02] <shock> :)
[12:02] <Stew2> jpwain: I'm using the term sshd generically. I don't know what the daemon service was I installed. It would have been something from synaptic.
[12:03] <jpwain> Hmm
[12:03] <marcin_ant> shock: do you have the same problem?
[12:03] <stephank> Hello. Is it safe to remove ubuntu-base or ubuntu-desktop? I'm trying to uninstall packages like emacs and mdadm which are dependencies apparently.
[12:03] <shock> yes
[12:03] <shock> also in calendar
[12:03] <shock> with appointments
[12:03] <marcin_ant> yes and with tasks...
[12:03] <shock> (and my imap folders show up twice in list)
[12:03] <Stew2> PROBLEM: I got an error from X on this lousy box. It's (EE) Failed to load module "riva128" (module does not exist, 0).
[12:04] <bob2> Stew2: using hoary?
[12:04] <Stew2> bob2 Yup.
[12:04] <Stew2> bob2 Yes I am. :)
[12:05] <Stew2> bob2 I'm using CTRL ALT F2, got IRSSI running so I can figure it out.
[12:05] <Stew2> bob2 Or so you can figure it out :)
[12:05] <Stew2> bob2 I downloaded an ISO last week of Hoary and burnt it. I did a fresh install on this box.
[12:05] <Stew2> bob2 I ran apt-get update, apt-get upgrade 5 minutes ago.
[12:07] <marcin_ant> shock: heh and when I'm trying to change something like task's status then it says that "Validation error: completed date is wrong"
[12:07] <shock> hm
[12:07] <bob2> then it's probably a bug
[12:08] <shock> I allready asken in the evolution list
[12:08] <marcin_ant> shock: even though "Date completed" is None - because for example "Percent complete" is 10%
[12:08] <shock> weirdness
[12:08] <shock> evolution is truely *****ed
[12:08] <shock> :(
[12:08] <Stew2> bob2 What do I do? Some people suggested running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and I did, though that doesn't solve the problem. I get an dexconf error, unexpected end of file, line 523
[12:08] <shock> But I absolutely need that application by now
[12:08] <shock> :(
[12:09] <shock> maybe I revert back to mutt
[12:09] <shock> *grml*
[12:09] <Stew2> bob2 Someone else said it's been fixed, to go for a walk or something. So I went to a friend's house, had a fun time, slept until 1pm and now I'm back.
[12:09] <TheCan> hi. where is the place to put options for modules in ubuntu?
[12:10] <Stew2> bob2 They said it should be available today. It was uploaded yesterday ... ?
[12:10] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[12:15] <Stew2> I got X running by switching device to "Standard VGA"
[12:17] <Stew2> Anyone have an idea as to why X comes up with a checkered background and an X for a cursor?
[12:17] <Stew2> That's the best I've been able to do so far with this Hoary distro.
[12:18] <marcin_ant> shock: and what about this evolution list - any answer?
[12:18] <shock> some - I mailed some dude several output files
[12:18] <shock> today
[12:18] <shock> havent gotten anything so far
[12:19] <bob2> Stew2: that means whatever else isn't running
[12:19] <bob2> ie gnome isn't starting
[12:19] <pantz_> i am unsucessfully trying to mount a smb share in fstab - anyone able to help me out?
[12:20] <pantz_> here is my line - //gandalf/share /media/share    smbfs   credentials=/home/pantz/.samba,uid=1000,gid=1000,rw,umask=002,noauto,users       0 0
[12:20] <jpwain> Stew2: I think I figured out the SSH thing
[12:21] <jpwain> Stew2: by default Ubuntu's portmapper only listens to localhost, so I believe I have to edit /etc/default/portmap
[12:22] <bob2> er
[12:22] <bob2> portmap has nothing to do with ssh
[12:23] <Stew2> jpwain At some time on that box, I ran an iptables script. I don't know if that opened up those ports, etc or what. Possible.
[12:24] <Stew2> bob2 Well, dunno what to do. Can I change my sources to warty and run apt-get update?
[12:25] <TheCan> noone can tell me where to put options for modules in ubuntu? :( i need to pass a certain snd= option to the alsa driver
[12:25] <jpwain> bob2: is portmap not some network services filter of some sort?
[12:25] <cavediver> Hi, what's the easisert way to restore grub if my MBR has been corrupt.
[12:25] <TheCan> cavediver, user grub-install
[12:25] <snowblink> jpwain: what are you trying to do?
[12:25] <jpwain> snowblink: To get SSH running (so I can connect from remote locations)
[12:25] <cavediver> TheCan: from where ? Assuming i have shut down the system.
[12:26] <TheCan> cavediver, from the command line?
[12:26] <zazeem> anyone know the other linux os starts with an m, mepicks or something????????
[12:26] <llamakc> did you install the openssh-server package?
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> mepis
[12:26] <Stew2> Where can I get a sources.list from ftp for Warty so I can take this broken &^ hoary distro and run warty on the box?
[12:26] <zazeem> thnx!
[12:26] <zazeem> <3
[12:26] <jpwain> llamakc: Yes, but I still can't connect from anywhere other than localhost
[12:26] <snowblink> jpwain: apt-get openssh-server
[12:26] <cavediver> TheCan: My mistake. If mbr is corrupt and I can't boot my linux-partition
[12:26] <zazeem> any other good linux versions like ubuntu?
[12:27] <jpwain> snowblink: I did; still can't connect from rmote locations
[12:27] <llamakc> is the sshd daemon running?
[12:27] <snowblink> jpwain: /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[12:27] <jpwain> llamakc: I believe so; ps aux | grep ssh shows sshd
[12:27] <jpwain> snowblink: I did reboot the machine too
[12:27] <CAPTAIN_RON> zazeem: Try BeatrIX @ watsky.net
[12:27] <llamakc> shows your grep and sshd, right?
[12:27] <zazeem> beatrix?
[12:28] <CAPTAIN_RON> Yes it is a very trim down ubuntu
[12:28] <jpwain> llamakc: Yes
[12:28] <snowblink> jpwain: ssh -vvv yourbox
[12:28] <TheCan> cavediver, you need to boot externally via grub. like from grub-floppy or cdrom
[12:28] <lance_> jpwain, what you you get when you enter the comand "netstat -an | grep 22"
[12:29] <jpwain> lance_: Not sure -- I'm reinstalling Ubuntu now to see if I borked something there :)
[12:29] <lance_> jpwain: Just out of curiosity
[12:29] <CAPTAIN_RON> I am using it right now. I used ubuntu to learn on and beatrIX to use
[12:29] <jpwain> CAPTAIN_RON: Does BeatrIX come with X and Gnome or is it nice and stripped down?
[12:29] <cavediver> TheCan: I've been looking for how to maka a grub-bootable cdrom but can't find it. Only floppies.
[12:29] <snowblink> jpwain: where is it stopping?
[12:30] <jpwain> snowblink: Not stopping; the install went fine both times
[12:30] <CAPTAIN_RON> X & nome ... you get what ever you want after that
[12:30] <snowblink> jpwain: ssh -vvv yourbox
[12:30] <snowblink> jpwain: where is it stopping?
[12:30] <Cloudchaser> i was just reading about BeatrIX...you like it? CAPTAIN_RON ?
[12:30] <CAPTAIN_RON> Left out the G
[12:30] <jpwain> snowblink: I just wasn't able to connect via SSH after installing openssh
[12:30] <marcin_ant> hmm another problem
[12:30] <CAPTAIN_RON> I love it
[12:30] <Cloudchaser> i'm trying out ProMepis at the moment..it has kde and gnome
[12:31] <Cloudchaser> ubuntu live and gnoppix didn't work too well for me
[12:31] <snowblink> jpwain: if you're running ssh in debug mode you can't see any output at all?
[12:31] <marcin_ant> could someone help me and tell how to do gprs connection
[12:31] <lance_> jpwain: are you installing it as a virutal machine?
[12:31] <jpwain> lance_: No, just on an old P2 450mhz.
[12:31] <marcin_ant> with gprs modem connected via usb
[12:31] <Cloudchaser> the ubuntu live cd's don't seem quit as compatible to my machines i guess
[12:31] <CAPTAIN_RON> I tried it too ... came back to BeatrIX because it lets you pick what you want.
[12:31] <jpwain> lance_: Everything else works great and I can ping external hosts etc so I know that's working
[12:32] <Cloudchaser> i'll have to download that and try it out..i'm trying out alot of them ;)
[12:32] <Cloudchaser> i'll pick the ones i like best and install them to hd
[12:32] <marcin_ant> and this connection should be established automatically when pluggin this modem in
[12:32] <marcin_ant> is this available to do something like this?
[12:32] <lance_> jpwain: I am curious to know if it is lisetening on port 22.
[12:32] <CAPTAIN_RON> That is if you do a hdd install. Next version will let you add to the live cd
[12:32] <Cloudchaser> cool
[12:32] <jpwain> lance_: I will find out shortly. Reinstalling right now
[12:32] <Cloudchaser> knoppix is nice too, but just kde
[12:32] <jpwain> CAPTAIN_RON: How is the hardware support? Same as Ubuntu?
[12:33] <snowblink> jpwain: why are you reluctant to ssh in debug mode?
[12:33] <llamakc> snowblink is reinstalling the entire os?
[12:33] <jpwain> snowblink: I would, but the machine is busy mid-install of Ubuntu
[12:33] <llamakc> sorry, jpwain.
[12:33] <jpwain> np
[12:33] <llamakc> jpwain: why not just purge the files & reinstall openssh-server?
[12:34] <CAPTAIN_RON> It uses everything that ubuntu has. But it is made up of different distros so it takes the best of all to make it small and fast
[12:34] <jpwain> llamakc: Because I was silly enough to try a Debian net-inst also... I feel Ubuntu has lots of features (Gnome, OO, etc) that I don't want or need
[12:34] <zazeem> can i install beatrix like any other os on hardrive ?? or does it need ubuntu?
[12:34] <llamakc> ahh, so you are reinstalling debian or ubuntu?
[12:35] <CAPTAIN_RON> Dinner... got to go
[12:35] <jpwain> llamakc: Reinstalling Ubuntu. The Debian distro didn't support my NIC
[12:35] <jpwain> BeatrIX sounds pretty sweet though
[12:35] <llamakc> k
[12:35] <llamakc> debian's linux26 boot option didn't support your card?
[12:36] <zazeem> is beatrix easy to use and game compatible for linux games??
[12:36] <jpwain> I don't know anything about that option
[12:36] <Stew2> what do I run to pick screen options, resolution, colordepth in X?
[12:36] <llamakc> man the netinstaller for sarge has that. it installs a 2.6 kernel
[12:36] <llamakc> oh well, ubuntu will be fine
[12:36] <llamakc> just apt-get remove whatcha don't want
[12:36] <jpwain> I tried Debian net-inst because I wanted a more paired-down system... but with hardware support
[12:37] <Stew2> I've already run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'. It quits normally (I think) after writing DRI files.
[12:37] <jpwain> Stew2: Just edit the config files manually
[12:37] <snowblink> Stew2: vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:37] <Stew2> jpwain: Isn't there some app to run that asks me ? I've already tried editing xorg.conf manually. I don't seem to get anywhere.
[12:37] <jerM`needclan> yo, i need help. i just downloaded ubuntu, and since im so rusty right now, i need help figuring what to burn to get this .iso CD correctly.
[12:38] <llamakc> what os you on jerM
[12:38] <jpwain> jerM`needclan: Any CD burning app will work. What OS do you run right now?
[12:38] <Stew2> I know there's a non-manual way to do it. I'm not a masochist on a diet.
[12:38] <zazeem> needclan u burn the iso....
[12:38] <zazeem> open nero
[12:38] <jerM`needclan> well im on XP right now, but im gonna burn the iso CD and install it on my old eMachine computer that has knoppix-std on it
[12:38] <zazeem> burn imasge
[12:38] <zazeem> select file
[12:38] <jpwain> Stew2: Not sure. I thought Ubuntu comes with Xfree86, not x.org
[12:38] <jerM`needclan> wait
[12:39] <snowblink> jpwain: hoary does
[12:39] <jerM`needclan> zazeem
[12:39] <llamakc> nah hoary has xorg
[12:39] <zazeem> ?
[12:39] <bitfoo> :O
[12:39] <defile> jpwain, Warty does, Hoary doesn't
[12:39] <bitfoo> i must...speed up ubuntu :|
[12:39] <jpwain> Which has what now?
[12:39] <Stew2> so what's the command to do a total configuration of the xserver part?
[12:39] <jpwain> Warty has x.org?
[12:39] <snowblink> defile: hedgehog yes, warthog no
[12:39] <jerM`needclan> its that the download made it file.rar so....it through me off, do i just burn it as image in nero or do i extract the files out of the .rar and then burn them as a image?
[12:39] <zazeem> warty has free86
[12:39] <llamakc> Stew2: if you run startx from the command line, what fails?
[12:40] <Stew2> llmakc I've said it before so many lines back... lemme see if I can find it.
[12:40] <llamakc> sorry, just woke up
[12:40] <Stew2> PROBLEM: I got an error from X on this lousy box. It's (EE) Failed to load module "riva128" (module does not exist, 0).
[12:40] <snowblink> jerM`needclan: burn the image of the ISO
[12:40] <llamakc> ok what card does lspci -v say you have?
[12:41] <Stew2> llamakc Well, I know it has an integrated Riva128 AGP on the motherboard.
[12:41] <llamakc> try the ati driver?
[12:42] <Stew2> llamakc It doesn't seem to indicate what I have..
[12:42] <Crane> Hello
[12:42] <Stew2> llamakc Uh, it's an NVIDIA card. Not ati.
[12:42] <llamakc> DOH
[12:42] <llamakc> sorry
[12:42] <Crane> Do you guys feel hoary is stabe enough for server use?
[12:42] <kbrooks> no.
[12:42] <llamakc> tried the "nv" driver
[12:42] <Stew2> llamakc Riva128's came out right before the TNT.
[12:42] <Crane> kbrooks, no to me?
[12:42] <Stew2> llamakc: What's the configuration program to run from the shell?
[12:42] <llamakc> xorgcfg
[12:43] <kbrooks> Crane, yeah
[12:43] <llamakc> but you can easily just edit that line. its one line to change
[12:43] <zazeem> does beatrix have synaptic package installer?
[12:43] <Crane> Thats what I thought too, just wanted to get other opinions
[12:43] <zazeem>  does beatrix have synaptic package installer?
[12:43] <jpwain> Can Beatrix be installed without X/Gnome is the question
[12:44] <Crane> Don't know
[12:44] <zazeem> who cares its good :P
[12:44] <llamakc> Stew2: I see the riva128.o module in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers
[12:44] <Stew2> Failed to load module riva128. Module does not exist (EE)
[12:44] <Crane> Seem like you could
[12:44] <Crane> then remove gnome
[12:44] <Stew2> llamakc well, riva128.o is there.
[12:44] <llamakc> Stew2: ls /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers | grep riva
[12:45] <llamakc> post lspci -v to #flood
[12:45] <zazeem> mepis  is awesome. try it omg
[12:45] <llamakc> Stew2: the nv driver failed too?
[12:45] <Crane> mepis crashed hard on quake3
[12:46] <Stew2> llamakc Wish I could. Since this hoary ISO crapped out I've just two shells running.
[12:46] <zazeem> what about enemy territory?????
[12:46] <zazeem> runs on new q3 engine
[12:46] <Stew2> llamakc I guess. It keeps saying it needs the riva128 driver and it can't find it.
[12:46] <Stew2> llamakc Is there a way to downgrade to warty?
[12:46] <llamakc> yep
[12:46] <Stew2> llamakc I don't have a disk.
[12:46] <zazeem> ubuntu crashes q3 and et :/
[12:46] <Crane> don't know about that I gave up trying
[12:46] <zazeem> and rtcw
[12:46] <Crane> ubuntu run q3 great
[12:47] <zazeem> wtf wish it did for me
[12:47] <zazeem> whats ur card?>
[12:47] <zazeem> nvidia fx 5200?
[12:47] <Crane> yep
[12:47] <Stew2> llamakc I'm throwing this Hoary ISO disk in the trash.
[12:47] <zazeem> lol same
[12:47] <Crane> OS: Linux 2.6.8.1-4-386 | CPU: AMD Athlon(TM) @ 1662.752 MHz | MemTotal: 906736 kB | Audio:  | Video:  | (eth0) Data Sent: 284963857 (271.7 MiB) | (eth0) Data Recivied: 2539791702 (2.3 GiB)
[12:47] <Crane> | Uptime: days | Load Average (15 Mins.): 0%
[12:47] <llamakc> don't you need to comment out GLcore and dri in the Load section?
[12:47] <Crane> dnag didn't show it
[12:47] <Crane> yep
[12:47] <Crane> I play quake3 every night
[12:48] <llamakc> Stew2: do this lspci -v | grep NV
[12:48] <zazeem> lol
[12:48] <Crane> some enemy territory and urban terror
[12:48] <zazeem> crane try enemy territory
[12:48] <zazeem> its free kicks super ass
[12:48] <zazeem> like q3 but better imo
[12:48] <Crane> LOL
[12:48] <zazeem> ww2 action :)
[12:48] <zazeem> lol
[12:48] <Crane> It's good just a little slower
[12:48] <Crane> slower game play
[12:49] <zazeem> i like it sooo much
[12:49] <Gunlance> Hello All
[12:49] <Stew2> llamakc Successfully deposited hoary disk where it belongs: In the trash.
[12:49] <zazeem> crane
[12:49] <zazeem> didu try et on ubuntu?
[12:49] <Crane> what kind of errors doyou get from quake3
[12:49] <Crane> yes?
[12:49] <Crane> zazeem, yes
[12:49] <zazeem> i get umm
[12:49] <zazeem> hold on
[12:50] <llamakc> Stew2 gave up
[12:50] <zazeem> crane, http://www.linuxcompatible.org/thread30981-1.html
[12:50] <jpwain> llamakc: So I should do "
[12:51] <zazeem> run as root same prob LOL
[12:51] <jpwain> apt-get install openssh-server
[12:51] <zazeem> i think
[12:51] <zazeem> how would u run et as root?
[12:51] <zazeem> sudo et?
[12:51] <llamakc> jpwain: yep
[12:51] <jpwain> Ok
[12:53] <hybrid> hello
[12:54] <mebaran151> anybody know a good Evolution replacement
[12:54] <hybrid> does anyone know of a good rss reader for ubuntu
[12:54] <mebaran151> I am on AMD64 and Evolution is sort of dead
[12:54] <bob2> mebaran151: there isn't one
[12:54] <bob2> mebaran151: if it's broken, file a bug
[12:54] <mebaran151> it cant handle its floats
[12:54] <mebaran151> the bug has been filed
[12:55] <mebaran151> it is a pretty awful bug
[12:55] <hybrid> mebaran151: mozilla thunderbird
[12:55] <mebaran151> when you start it up, it automatically generates a floats an exception
[12:55] <mebaran151> I need a contact manager
[12:55] <mebaran151> I dont really care about integration
[12:55] <eruin> evolution is just a tad too monolithic for my taste
[12:55] <eruin> thunderbird has an address book atleast
[12:55] <mebaran151> except I dont want it to rely on qt
[12:55] <mebaran151> KDE has a fine suite
[12:55] <hybrid> eruin: yea it is real nice
[12:55] <mebaran151> but it is too huge
[12:56] <eruin> I might just be shot for this, but kde is too windowsish for me
[12:56] <mebaran151> I dont want the whole of the kde dependencies
[12:56] <mebaran151> KDE is too big; I like XFCE
[12:56] <mebaran151> it is gnome but tiny
[12:56] <mebaran151> I like tiny
[12:56] <hybrid> lol
[12:56] <eruin> xfce is juuust too smallish for me
[12:57] <eruin> gnome is a biiiiiit too big
[12:57] <hybrid> lmao
[12:57] <TheCan> i find xfce not faster than gnome
[12:57] <eruin> so I use gnome :)
[12:57] <llamakc> jpwain: server working now?
[12:57] <eruin> I find myself using nautilus when in xfce anyway
[12:57] <eruin> since the xfce filemanger is horrid
[12:57] <mebaran151> it isnt so bad
[12:57] <eruin> manager*
[12:57] <mebaran151> it does what I need it to do
[12:57] <TheCan> rox works fine in xfce i suppose
[12:57] <mebaran151> I tend to use xterm
[12:57] <mebaran151> anyway
[12:57] <eruin> it's like your typical kde app
[12:57] <eruin> buttons ALL OVER
[12:58] <mebaran151> for all that sort of thing
[12:58] <eruin> gnome w/xfwm h ere
[12:58] <eruin> and aterm
[12:58] <eruin> :-)
[12:58] <lance_> jwain: whats the good word?
[12:58] <jpwain> llamakc: Yes! It's working. My local machine has the wrong RSA key cached now though
[12:59] <llamakc> heh, delete it and you are good to go
[12:59] <llamakc> now start using ssh-keys!
[12:59] <jpwain> Just delete it from ~/.ssh/known_hosts ?
[12:59] <llamakc> that particular line, yep.
[12:59] <snowblink> mebaran151: mutt?
[12:59] <hybrid> is hoary hedgehog availiable for ppc yet
[12:59] <zazeem> how do u get hoary is it just a upgrade?
[01:00] <jpwain> llamakc: Sweet! It's working. What is ssh-keys ?
[01:00] <llamakc> lemme get you a link
[01:00] <zazeem> :D
[01:00] <llamakc> http://www.arches.uga.edu/~pkeck/ssh/
[01:00] <TheCan> i am using some package from hoary. is there some way to get back to the warthy version of it?
[01:00] <TheCan> so to say, downgrade?
[01:00] <hybrid> zazeem: ?
[01:00] <llamakc> i connect from my desktop to my server with keys lanside only
[01:00] <jpwain> Hmm
[01:00] <zazeem> ?
[01:01] <llamakc> so when i ssh from desktop to server with ssh server, the key does authentication and i don't got to type no stinkin pw
[01:01] <snowblink> jpwain: then onto ssh-agent
[01:02] <jpwain> llamakc: Pretty much the only thing I'll be using this Ubuntu box for is an SSH tunnel... so with ssh-keys I could just start something like [ssh -D 8888 hostname.com]  and boom, it'll go without me needing to enter a password?
[01:02] <jpwain> ahhh
[01:02] <llamakc> that is possible, yep
[01:02] <link> hey guys
[01:02] <llamakc> you put your id_dsa.pub appended to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2
[01:02] <jpwain> I see
[01:03] <llamakc> makes scp'ing files easy peasy
[01:03] <Crane> hello
[01:03] <link> does anyone know what the libvga deb package is offhand
[01:03] <link> aptitude under libraries
[01:03] <link> i looked and couldnt find it there
[01:04] <jpwain> snowblink: I see there's an app for OS X (which I'm using here) called SSH Agent that appears to manage ssh-keys and such. Is that what you meant?
[01:04] <link> i dont really like that program, where would i go to find such things as these libraries
[01:05] <jpwain> Also how do I change the runlevel in ubuntu so X doesn't start?
[01:05] <Dreamer3> jpwain: have you tried the forms?
[01:05] <Dreamer3> forums?
[01:05] <jpwain> Looking now
[01:05] <snowblink> jpwain: dunno on mac os x
[01:06] <link> where would i go to find libraries to download
[01:06] <link> i know this is such a noob question but damn
[01:06] <Dreamer3> link: why do you need this libvga?
[01:06] <link> =o) fer a game
[01:06] <link> quake one to be exact
[01:07] <dud> isnt that libsvga?
[01:07] <link> it says /fuhquake.svga: error while loading shared libraries: libvga.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:08] <link> yeah i guess os
[01:08] <link> so
[01:08] <llamakc> well i dunno if ubuntu has a web front for package content searching or if synaptic does it
[01:08] <Gunlance> I was just wondering..is there like an automatic updater for Ubuntu? Because I looked on the site and didn't really see a place to dl updates.
[01:08] <llamakc> but debian has package searching online
[01:09] <llamakc> and the package is svgalib1
[01:09] <link> ahhh yeah the debian site duh. should have thought of that
[01:09] <link> cool
[01:09] <seth_ubuntu> hey
[01:10] <LinuxJones> Gunlance, in Hoary there is one, then there is always apt-get + cron
[01:10] <dud> you could use apt-cache search string
[01:10] <seth_ubuntu> Has anyone had any luck playing shn "music files" with ubuntu
[01:11] <Dreamer3> is
[01:11] <Gunlance> Yeah..this machine is to old to run hoary all that well and this is my second day with a Linux OS lol so i have no idea what you mean by "apt-get + cron" that like a command for the terminal
[01:11] <JoaoMarcus> Is config_net_radio enabled always disabled in ubuntu kernels?
[01:11] <LinuxJones> Gunlance, 1 sec I will get you a link
[01:11] <Gunlance> (I am on i386 Warty 4.10 install)
[01:11] <JoaoMarcus> ops
[01:11] <JoaoMarcus> enabled always disabled -> always disalbed
[01:12] <raydogg> does k3b require kde ?
[01:12] <Riddell> raydogg: no, only kdelibs
[01:12] <raydogg> cool
[01:12] <jpwain> 22/tcp   open     ssh
[01:12] <jpwain> 81/tcp   filtered hosts2-ns
[01:12] <jpwain> 3128/tcp filtered squid-http
[01:12] <raydogg> is that what most ubuntu users would use ?
[01:12] <jpwain> 3141/tcp filtered vmodem
[01:12] <jpwain> 6969/tcp filtered acmsoda
[01:12] <thenuke> Gunlance: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/  great guide for newbies and others
[01:12] <JoaoMarcus> I guess I will have to get the whole kernel source just to compile CONFIG_NET_RADIO into it
[01:13] <raydogg> Riddell, is that what most ubuntu users use ?
[01:13] <link> yeah i found it
[01:13] <LinuxJones> Gunlance, >> http://ubuntuguide.org/#autoupdate << you should read the whole guide BTW lots of great stuff :)
[01:13] <Riddell> raydogg: seems to be
[01:13] <thenuke> Gunlance: there is also manua / automagic updating in the first sections
[01:13] <raydogg> k
[01:13] <link> in aptitude under libraries libsvga1
[01:14] <thenuke> Gunlance: you can do that manual updating also within the gui, look for synaptic somewhere in the menus
[01:14] <Dreamer3> anyone here a former gentoo user?
[01:14] <Gunlance> You talking about the unofficial guide 4.10? Or is there one that came with the OS somewhere
[01:15] <hybrid> can you apt-get to mono or dotgnu?
[01:15] <kbrooks> How do I configure apache
[01:15] <thenuke> http://www.ubuntuguide.org  states, Unofficial Ubuntu 4.10 Starter Guide
[01:16] <thenuke> kbrooks: apache should have good documents with it
[01:16] <llamakc> hybrid: you can apt-cache search for it
[01:16] <JoaoMarcus> DId anyone here have wireless enabled in warty?
[01:18] <pvh> Is dexconf broken?
[01:21] <Xirdneh> anyone knows where i can find zlib1g 1.2.1.1-3, cant find it! damn
[01:22] <link> ok now its askin me fer libz.so
[01:22] <mebaran151> Dreamer3: I am
[01:22] <Dreamer3> mebaran151: happier?
[01:22] <mebaran151> Uh
[01:22] <mebaran151> I never quite got Gentoo to work right
[01:22] <mebaran151> Ubuntu
[01:23] <mebaran151> had a different set of problems
[01:23] <Dreamer3> well, how's ubuntu...?
[01:23] <mebaran151> Gentoo was a bit too hardcore
[01:23] <toresbe> Gentoo isn't hardcore
[01:23] <toresbe> it's just... stupid
[01:23] <mebaran151> Ubuntu is like Debian except with a bit more cohessiveness
[01:23] <mebaran151> Gentoo is hardcore too me
[01:23] <Dreamer3> mebaran151: *nods*
[01:23] <Dreamer3> toresbe: depends on what you want to learn :) it _taught_ me a lot
[01:23] <toresbe> true, that (The debian thing)
[01:23] <toresbe> Dreamer3: Pff.
[01:23] <mebaran151> because you have to do everything
[01:24] <Dreamer3> toresbe: i finally go tired of the endless download/compile/download routine though
[01:24] <Dreamer3> mebaran151: i'd so LFS once if i ever had the time :)
[01:24] <mebaran151> Dreamer3: I learned alot too
[01:24] <toresbe> Dreamer3: I doubt that... but I don't have time right now ;)
[01:24] <mebaran151> yeah
[01:24] <mebaran151> Gentoo was a bit to intermediate
[01:24] <mebaran151> if I wanted to compile anything
[01:24] <mebaran151> I might as well use LFS
[01:24] <Dreamer3> mebaran151: oh come on, gentoo is NOT LFS :)
[01:24] <mebaran151> it isnt
[01:24] <link> do you think its refering to libzvt2.0-0
[01:25] <mebaran151> it is just very time consuming
[01:25] <mebaran151> LFS is very very very hardcore
[01:25] <mebaran151> Gentoo was my first distro
[01:25] <mebaran151> which was a stupid way to start
[01:25] <mebaran151> which might be why it seems hardcore to me
[01:25] <Dreamer3> mebaran151: gentoo was the first distro i stuck with more than 2 weeks :)
[01:25] <mebaran151> heheh
[01:25] <mebaran151> Dreamer3: only because that was the compile time :)
[01:25] <Dreamer3> but i came in with a lot of windows sys admin experience and a lot of bad experience with Redhat and others
[01:26] <Dreamer3> mebaran151: nah, took 2 or 3 days (going slow) to get it all setup to my liking
[01:26] <mebaran151> Dreamer3: yeah
[01:26] <PuGz> i just updated to the latest version of alsa-base and alsa-utils... where has the alsaconf script gone?
[01:26] <mebaran151> it isnt that long true
[01:26] <PuGz> my sound does not work corrently
[01:26] <mebaran151> but I ended up stabilizing on Debian
[01:26] <mebaran151> Really Debian
[01:27] <mebaran151> the Debian that everyone said was incredibly hard to install
[01:27] <Dreamer3> mebaran151: what a joke
[01:27] <Dreamer3> mebaran151: i don't know of anything easier to install than Debian
[01:27] <mebaran151> yeah
[01:27] <mebaran151> I know
[01:27] <Dreamer3> mebaran151: provided you can do partitioning and stuff
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151: that's really a hangup from the days of old
[01:27] <pvh> mebaran151: a live cd
[01:27] <mebaran151> yeah
[01:27] <pvh> mebaran151: installation is a physical process. :)
[01:27] <mebaran151> I dont know what they were talking about
[01:27] <mebaran151> I had no trouble
[01:28] <pvh> Why might my ncurses programs look like they're printing to the wrong terminal type?
[01:28] <mebaran151> I am wondering why all my wxwidgets programs still rely on the old wxwidgets
[01:28] <mebaran151> it is so annoying
[01:29] <mebaran151> I want the nice GTK 2.0, gtk 1.2 was such ugly
[01:29] <hybrid> i installed ubuntu b/c it was the quickest thing i could get on ppc
[01:29] <hybrid> and i like it
[01:29] <mebaran151> Ubuntu is nice
[01:29] <mebaran151> I also like the fact
[01:29] <mebaran151> that if I ever want to get involved
[01:29] <dbt`veritas> hybrid: are you on a pb?
[01:29] <mebaran151> they have small teams
[01:30] <hybrid> dbt`veritas: no an ibook
[01:30] <mebaran151> but MacOS is so pretty ;)
[01:30] <mebaran151> I like the MacOS
[01:30] <mebaran151> it is looks nice
[01:30] <hybrid> NO WAY
[01:30] <mebaran151> it does
[01:30] <mebaran151> it looks really nice
[01:30] <mebaran151> everything vectorized
[01:30] <mebaran151> but I have never really used it
[01:31] <davix> how can i change my ubuntu kernel?
[01:31] <mebaran151> I am on PC
[01:31] <mebaran151> davix: install a new one
[01:31] <hybrid> mebaran: loox are decieving it has like a limited unix enviroment
[01:31] <mebaran151> well I never got in the deep recesses
[01:31] <davix> mebaran151, ok, and what about viewing my kernel error log?
[01:31] <timlinux> Another thing I wanted to know is what package to install to get skype 1.0.x to work - I get this error on start:aps02ts@ubuntu:~ $ skype
[01:31] <timlinux> skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXss.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:32] <mebaran151> davix: all the logs in /var/log
[01:32] <snoopdogg> i need help?
[01:32] <mebaran151> named pretty easily
[01:32] <mebaran151> to figure out
[01:32] <mebaran151> but also
[01:32] <hybrid> mebaran: i wanted to learn unix so i got os x but it didnt teach me much so thats why i am at ubuntu
[01:32] <mebaran151> you can run dmesg for boot mesgs
[01:32] <snowblink> timlinux: did you download the static version?
[01:32] <hypa7ia> hybrid: that's exactly what i did too :-)
[01:33] <timlinux> snowblink not I followed hints on ubuntu forum - using alien to convert rpm to deb
[01:33] <hybrid> nd i put ubuntu on here b/c my said i wasnt elite enuff to
[01:33] <hybrid> hypa7ia: kewl
[01:33] <snoopdogg> i need help?
[01:33] <hybrid> ...
[01:33] <davix> what do these lines say: Feb  1 02:07:22 Lenna kernel: acpi: Unknown symbol acpi_processor_unregister_performance
[01:33] <davix> Feb  1 02:07:22 Lenna kernel: acpi: Unknown symbol acpi_processor_register_performance
[01:33] <davix> ?
[01:33] <snowblink> timlinux: follow the ubuntuguide (but get the newer skype)
[01:34] <LinuxJones> timlinux, that's some xscreensaver library
[01:34] <Gunlance> ok wow that was fun...so i followed the guide and stuff but how does it autoupdate?
[01:34] <timlinux> snowblink, what is the url for that? I thought I was following ubuntu guide when I did it first time :-(
[01:34] <timlinux> LinuxJones, oh? hrmm...
[01:35] <snowblink> timlinux: see topic
[01:35] <mebaran151> just use the skype tarball
[01:35] <mebaran151> it is more generic
[01:35] <timlinux> heh ok sorry missed htat
[01:35] <mebaran151> and you can take it static if you like
[01:35] <mebaran151> but I cant use it anymore
[01:35] <mebaran151> on AMD64
[01:35] <mebaran151> in a pure AMD64 environment
[01:35] <timlinux> ok will do
[01:35] <Jezechelle> can anyone point me in the direction of an fstab tutorial?
[01:35] <mebaran151> man fstab
[01:35] <davix> Feb  1 02:07:22 Lenna kernel: acpi: Unknown symbol acpi_processor_register_performance?
[01:36] <mebaran151> davix: I get those, too.  I am no expert, but I think that it is not a big deal, just the kernel cant load that command to the ACPI
[01:36] <Gwildor> hello?
[01:36] <mebaran151> kind of like the unsupported feature list so it can keep track
[01:36] <ivan> some one knows how can i see the ssh connection to my computer...and info about this?
[01:37] <Gwildor> i am looking for the absolute lightest .avi player
[01:37] <ivan> connections
[01:37] <davix> mebaran151, what does it mean, that i have no acpi or that its malfunctioning?
[01:38] <jasonf> whenever I load my ubuntu, it takes about 15 seconds for grub to come up (it says "grub, loading stage 2" and stays there for 15 seconds before I get a menu)
[01:38] <jasonf> any ideas on how to speed it up?
[01:38] <jerM`needclan> (18:18:38) (jerM`needclan) hey
[01:38] <jerM`needclan> (18:18:48) (jerM`needclan) i just burned the iso and loaded up emachine
[01:38] <jerM`needclan> (18:18:57) (jerM`needclan) i couldnt get comp to boot with so cd
[01:38] <jerM`needclan> (18:19:07) (jerM`needclan) so i put in knoppix cd and its loading u now
[01:38] <jerM`needclan> (18:19:27) (jerM`needclan) when i get on knoppix, i doubt if i put in the ubuntu cd in, it would auto-detect it and install :/
[01:39] <jerM`needclan> (18:19:31) (jerM`needclan) what should i do
[01:39] <jasonf> fl00d
[01:39] <jerM`needclan> no, didnt want to retype
[01:39] <jasonf> that's still 6 lines with no break.
[01:39] <Gwildor> same thing
[01:39] <jerM`needclan> my ba then
[01:39] <dbt`veritas> jerM: you own
[01:39] <jerM`needclan> i burned upuntu
[01:39] <jerM`needclan> and need to know how to get it to install on Knoppix
[01:40] <pvh> Are the ATI drivers that come with Ubuntu hoary working?
[01:40] <Gwildor> umm, that really doesnt make sence
[01:40] <Dreamer3> jerM`needclan: why won't the ubuntu cd boot?
[01:40] <PuGz> why doesnt alsaconf come with the latest version of alsa-utils? how am i supposed to set up my alsa?
[01:40] <Dreamer3> PuGz: dunno, try looking at changelogs?
[01:41] <jerM`needclan> Dreamer3: cause i have to use a knoppix CD to boot to get onto anything :(
[01:41] <Dreamer3> jerM`needclan: and why doesn't the ubuntu cd boot?
[01:41] <Gwildor> ubuntu will install OVER knoppix, actually, it will remove everything related to knoppix, unless you left yourself enuff room
[01:41] <jerM`needclan> when i turn ont he other comp it looks for Floppy or CD and if neither are the knoppix boot, it doesnt do anything until Press Any Key
[01:41] <jerM`needclan> iono
[01:41] <Dreamer3> jerM`needclan: then you burned a bad ubunut cd...
[01:41] <jerM`needclan> let me restart cause it being gay and not opening cdrom right now lol
[01:41] <Gwildor> i am looking for the absolute lightest .avi player
[01:42] <jerM`needclan> so i cant get ubuntu cd in at all LOL
[01:42] <Dreamer3> jerM`needclan: or your cdrom is crap
[01:42] <jerM`needclan> brb
[01:42] <PuGz> Dreamer3, cheers
[01:43] <lyy> i'm logged in as root, but want to read a mozilla profile from another user's profile. How do i do this?
[01:43] <Dreamer3> lyy: ? that's kinda vague
[01:43] <piratePenguin> how do I get drivers for my lexmark p707 printer? Its not listed on http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi :s
[01:44] <Dreamer3> or maybe it's too specfic... *head spins*
[01:44] <hypa7ia> lyy: ln /root/.mozilla /home/<user>/.mozilla might work
[01:44] <lyy> Dreamer3: hmm
[01:44] <jerM`needclan> why are you talking in 3rd person :-/
[01:44] <Dreamer3> hypa7ia: thanks
[01:44] <lyy> Dreamer3: no, thta's not what i dead in mind
[01:44] <jerM`needclan> lol
[01:45] <lyy> Dreamer3: want to go about it in a fashion such thta i become that user in a way
[01:45] <Dreamer3> lyy: just be that user and quit using root to run mozilla
[01:45] <Dreamer3> lyy: that's bad
[01:45] <lyy> Dreamer3: i guess you don't know
[01:46] <lyy> 16:41  * Dreamer3 laughs
[01:46] <Dreamer3> if i didn't i wouldn't tell until i understdoo that was a good idea what you're doing
[01:46] <rellik> arg....  when I plug my ipod into the computer why doesn't it do anything?  it used to put the device /dev/sda and put stuff into syslog..  now it doesn't seem to do anything :(
[01:46] <jasonf> whenever I load my ubuntu, it takes about 15 seconds for grub to come up (it says "grub, loading stage 1.5" and stays there for 15 seconds before I get a menu) -- any idea on how to speed it up?
[01:46] <snowblink> rellik: do you have all the modules loaded?
[01:46] <Dreamer3> jasonf: weird
[01:47] <rellik> snowblink, far as I know..  I haven't changed anything I think since it used to work
[01:47] <davix> what good mp3 player can i install to ubuntu?
[01:47] <Rocha> davix, ubuntu already has rhythmbox
[01:48] <Rocha> Very good music player
[01:48] <davix> it dosent support mp3s
[01:48] <JeRM> goddamnit
[01:48] <JeRM> emachine is being gay now
[01:48] <Rocha> davix, yes it does
[01:48] <JeRM> wont let me open CDrom when booted
[01:48] <davix> why do i get this error whenever i load the synaptic package manager: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)?
[01:48] <Rocha> davix, let me help you...
[01:48] <davix> please do Rocha
[01:48] <davix> i would appriciate it much :)
[01:49] <Rocha> davix, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[01:49] <Rocha> bookmark that website please
[01:49] <JeRM> i need a closepin to manually open my cdrom lol
[01:49] <Rocha> Everytime you have any question, search that site.
[01:49] <goldfish> I have installed ubuntu recently and when it boots up it is just freezing at the cream screen, no logon appears or anything, I can boot into recover mode but not full mode, I am completely new to linux and I have no idea what to do.
[01:49] <davix> Rocha, you were sending me to rtfm the nice way, werent you?
[01:49] <Rocha> davix, nop
[01:49] <hypa7ia> goldfish: what kind of graphics card do you have?
[01:50] <jirwin> hello
[01:50] <davix> Rocha, :)
[01:50] <snowblink> rellik: try restarting hotplug
[01:50] <Rocha> davix, just bookmark it because most of your questions are answered there.
[01:50] <goldfish> hypa7ia: nvidia geforce 5550 128 mb
[01:50] <jirwin> I was wondering how I could change, or even better update firefox to version 1.0?
[01:50] <Rocha> davix, use synaptic to install libmad
[01:50] <jirwin> I couldn't get it to quite work with synaptic
[01:50] <goldfish> I ran the live cd and that worked fine.
[01:50] <Rocha> davix, the codecs for mp3
[01:50] <Rocha> you can't play mp3 in ubuntu because it's a proprietary sound format
[01:50] <mebaran151> why is mad better than mgp123
[01:51] <Rocha> davix, add the universe, and multiverse repositories too
[01:51] <davix> Rocha, synaptic gives me this error: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory). i think it started when i checked the universe boxes
[01:52] <Rocha> Hmmm, strange
[01:52] <snowblink> davix: sudo apt-get update
[01:52] <Rocha> davix, reload the package list
[01:52] <hypa7ia> goldfish: the warty livecd and install cd's are completely different.  what stage of the boot process does it stop at?
[01:52] <Rocha> davix, that option is on the menu bar somewhere i think
[01:52] <Rocha> davix, "reload package list"
[01:52] <davix> i did it from terminal
[01:53] <davix> like snow said
[01:53] <goldfish> hypa7ia: ah k, well everything boots up fine, no errors, then the cream screen pops up, and it freezes there, the ubuntu logo or nothing pops up.
[01:53] <davix> its working
[01:53] <jirwin> how can I update firefox to 1.0?
[01:53] <stuNNed> jirwin: use *unstable* backports, i don't recommend it.
[01:53] <rellik> snowblink, no luck (I'
[01:54] <rellik> snowblink, no luck (I've even rebooted the dang machine)
[01:54] <hypa7ia> goldfish: afraid i can't help you with that :-/
[01:54] <goldfish> hypa7ia: np, cheers
[01:54] <goldfish> guess i'll just smash up my machine
[01:54] <jirwin> stuNNed, can I change my default browser than?
[01:55] <snowblink> rellik: is it definitely not mounting? Does the iPod say disconnect OK straight away?
[01:55] <jirwin> stuNNed, I found preferred applications under desktop prefs, but that didn't have any effect
[01:55] <stuNNed> jirwin: sure, i think epiphany is avail, which is nice, or mozilla greater
[01:56] <rellik> snowblink, it isn't even close to mounting...  hotplug isn't even making a dev (/dev/sda) for it..  and the ipod screen never shows that it has connected to a computer..
[01:56] <jirwin> but you wouldn't even recommend downloading the latest version of firefox, and running it that way?
[01:56] <davix> Rocha, i have to be stupied, i swear. i just install libmad (actually reinstalled, just in case) and yet the music player says it lacks plugins to play mp3s
[01:56] <shock> actually i am running a complete hoary system *g*
[01:57] <shock> am happy with it... minor glitches are to be expec ted and do happen, though
[01:57] <shock> @jirwin
[01:57] <robodex> hello
[01:57] <shock> hoi
[01:58] <jirwin> shock, ???
[01:58] <robodex> I've got a silly ubuntu/wine-related question... has anyone successfully gotten nero (or CloneCD) to work under wine? =\
[01:58] <hypa7ia> hoo boy i doubt it
[01:58] <robodex> I need something that burns .ccd and .bin files
[01:58] <hypa7ia> oooh
[01:58] <hypa7ia> there is a way to do that
[01:58] <hypa7ia> .cue you mean, right?
[01:58] <robodex> err yeah
[01:59] <robodex> .cue (.bin) and .ccd (.img) files
[01:59] <Rocha> davix, let me check what packages do you need
[01:59] <rellik> robodex, for bin/cue I've always converted to iso...  (yeah it sucks)
[01:59] <robodex> heh, doesn't work for the media I'm burning to
[01:59] <robodex> err
[01:59] <robodex> I worded that wrong
[01:59] <snowblink> rellik: sorry can't help more. I'm using a 2G iPod Firewire.
[01:59] <robodex> just doesn't work :X
[01:59] <rellik> snowblink, k, thanks anyway :)
[02:00] <robodex> converted/burned it fine, but CD didn't work after burning
[02:00] <rellik> robodex, you can convert bin/cue to iso, then use any linux CDR program to write it to CD
[02:00] <rellik> ah
[02:00] <robodex> yeah
[02:00] <hypa7ia> http://he.fi/bchunk/
[02:00] <robodex> it's a playstation game :X
[02:00] <moyogo> er....
[02:00] <moyogo> i'm getting this nasty bug when i swith my mouse to left-handed
[02:00] <hypa7ia> robodex: sudp apt-get install bchunk
[02:00] <davix> tnx Rocha
[02:01] <socomm> You guys know any repo that has xfce 4.2.0?
[02:01] <Rocha> davix, it's "gstreamer-mad" that you need, not just libmad, sorry
[02:01] <Rocha> ubuntu uses gstreamer by default, instead of xine
[02:01] <robodex> socomm: there's a howto on the forum that will install it... it's very helpful, I'm running xfce atm :p
[02:01] <socomm> robodex: Link?
[02:02] <lavigj> hey guys, quick input... I just put reiser on a 250GB harddrive, is it normal for the formatting to take 17GB?
[02:02] <robodex> lemme find it
[02:02] <socomm> robodex: Okay, thanks.
[02:02] <wk1989> hi
[02:02] <wk1989> can anyone here get VLC to play a wmv file?
[02:02] <aethyr> lavigj: you're probably just victim of HDD manufacturer's number-game
[02:02] <goldfish> lavigj: i got a 200 wd drive and the formatting took 14gb
[02:02] <socomm> wk1989: You'll need the win32 codecs.
[02:03] <wk1989> I have the win32 codec
[02:03] <lavigj> aethyr: could be. goldfish ok, I wasn't sure for reiser how much was normal. if this was a windows fs I would not even think twice
[02:03] <pvh> Is there somewhere I can find the list of current bugs in Hoary?
[02:03] <aethyr> i.e. it's 250,000,000,000 bytes, which is really 250,000,000,000/1024 GB
[02:03] <robodex> hmm I guess I'll try binchunk
[02:03] <socomm> pvh: bugzilla
[02:03] <lavigj> aethyr: yeah, I follow what you meant
[02:03] <HrdwrBoB> goldfish: 'formtting' ?
[02:03] <wk1989> but there's only audio, no video
[02:03] <HrdwrBoB> goldfish: the 200gb drive is not 200gbv
[02:03] <socomm> pvh: bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[02:03] <help> hey guys whats a good refresh
[02:03] <robodex> socomm: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12812
[02:03] <HrdwrBoB> goldfish: you have been deceived by the hard drive manufacturer
[02:03] <lavigj> aethyr: I could check to be sure, I just wondered if that sounded feasible
[02:04] <help> to set in xconfig
[02:04] <help> its low now i set it low
[02:04] <LinuxJones> help, 70+ vetical refresh is ok
[02:04] <help> how do i set higher??
[02:04] <help> ?
[02:04] <help> k
[02:04] <davix> that is it! i give up
[02:04] <davix> no mp3s on ubuntu for me
[02:04] <davix> :(
[02:04] <socomm> robodex: Thanks, I really appreciate it.
[02:04] <wk1989> socom:
[02:04] <link_> yeah me neither
[02:04] <lavigj> aethyr: actually, fdisk shows it as being 250059350016 bytes. :)
[02:04] <LinuxJones> davix, did you check the www.ubuntuguide.org  site ?
[02:04] <HrdwrBoB> davix: sudo apt-get install gstramer0.8-mad
[02:04] <robodex> np
[02:05] <davix> i did
[02:05] <lavigj> aethyr: goldfish - thanks for your input though.
[02:05] <wk1989> i extraced the codec to /usr/lib/win32
[02:05] <wk1989> but it doesn't work
[02:05] <aethyr> lavigj: which means it should be (according to my calculations) 244141 MB, a difference of ~16+ GB
[02:05] <help> linuxjones, this is what i have and my screen looks strange...ection "Monitor"
[02:05] <help> 	Identifier	"SAMTRON"
[02:05] <help> 	HorizSync	43-86
[02:05] <help> 	VertRefresh	70-85
[02:05] <help> 	Option		"DPMS"
[02:05] <froust> Has anyone sucessfully got the ati drivers working in amd64/hoary?
[02:05] <lavigj> aethyr: ah, inded you are right. :: shrugs :: it is still a massive drive. good to know that reiser is not that inefficient
[02:05] <mike_douglas> Any been able to ghost Ubuntu with Norton Ghost? I tried to restore an image and Grub won't start
[02:06] <help> linuxjones?
[02:06] <socomm> help: You should check what refresh rates your monitor supports.
[02:06] <help> how
[02:06] <LinuxJones> help, use www.pastebin.ca then post the link :) That seems to look ok
[02:06] <help> ?
[02:06] <help> no it looks horible lines running up
[02:06] <stpere> hi
[02:06] <help> was at like 160 lol
[02:06] <help> how do i see what my monitor supports
[02:06] <help> ?
[02:06] <stpere> is there any custom duties on the free CD shipping?
[02:07] <lavigj> aethyr: actually, it woudl be 233GB, which is what df-h is showing
[02:07] <lavigj> aethyr: thanks though
[02:07] <lavigj> aethyr: you reminded me of the right place to check
[02:07] <LinuxJones> help, you can check the maual or google and do a search
[02:07] <help> ?
[02:07] <help> manual?
[02:07] <davix> oh ok
[02:07] <LinuxJones> help, yeah for your monitor
[02:08] <help> how do i reset to defauly cfg?
[02:08] <davix> now i read the f*cking manual
[02:08] <davix> and i did what it said
[02:08] <help> whats your s set to linux?
[02:08] <aethyr> lavigj: sorry, my math = suck ;)   you get the idea
[02:08] <link_> hey guys do you know what libz.so
[02:08] <mebaran151> vlc doesnt use the w32codecs
[02:08] <mebaran151> you have to use xine or something
[02:08] <lavigj> aethyr: actually your math was right on. when you take it one more /1024 for the GB you get 232.88
[02:08] <LinuxJones> help, did you edit the file manually ?
[02:08] <lavigj> aethyr: thanks for reminding me of that though
[02:08] <help> ya
[02:09] <lavigj> aethyr: you were righ ton what the deal was
[02:09] <mebaran151> can I convert ext3 to reiserfs safely
[02:09] <mebaran151> or reiser4
[02:09] <help> can i just reinstall nvidia drivers?
[02:09] <help> will that reset it?
[02:09] <link_> is it comes up when i try and run fahquake
[02:09] <link_> some library somewhere not found
[02:09] <LinuxJones> help, look in the /etc/X11/ directory and see if there is an XF86Config-4 file with a ~ at the end that's hopefully a backup
[02:10] <davix> great thing about linux, now it's playing, but i can't hear any sounds at all, even crackling would do for me.
[02:10] <help> k lol
[02:10] <stpere> someone know?
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> davix: run alsamixer
[02:10] <help> ya theres on e that says backup
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> ensure the main and pcm are nto muted
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> using 'm'
[02:10] <help> how do i apply?
[02:11] <robodex> anyway, another question: are there any other window managers that work well with ubuntu?
[02:11] <LinuxJones> help, so the file is there ?
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> robodex: any you like
[02:11] <robodex> I'm trying to find the best one for me... so far it's xfce
[02:11] <help> yes it doesnt hace a ~
[02:11] <mebaran151> robodex: probably blackbox and icewm
[02:11] <help> but says backup at end
[02:11] <mebaran151> or anything
[02:11] <mebaran151> oh help
[02:11] <socomm> link_: zlib
[02:11] <mebaran151> just change it
[02:11] <robodex> I think I'm going to try icewm
[02:11] <help> ?
[02:11] <mebaran151> I didnt like icewm
[02:11] <help> what
[02:11] <mebaran151> as much as I like XFCE
[02:11] <socomm> link_: Look it up on your favorite search engine.
[02:12] <link_> ok thats zlibc right
[02:12] <link_> im looking on the debian page
[02:12] <help> how do i apply the default one linuxjones?
[02:12] <LinuxJones> help, ok type mv /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4-MyBackup
[02:12] <link_> or zlib1g
[02:12] <socomm> http://www.gzip.org/zlib/
[02:13] <davix> HrdwrBoB, alsa is runing, i think
[02:13] <JeRM> omg i need so much help
[02:13] <robodex> gonna go play playstation games, cya later
[02:13] <JeRM> i have burned ubuntu to cd as iso
[02:13] <socomm> link_: Should be one of those.
[02:13] <JeRM> but ont he computer it has Knoppix
[02:13] <robodex> wow I didn't realize xchat did /amsg accross tabs...
[02:13] <robodex> oh well
[02:13] <robodex> bye
[02:13] <JeRM> and all of a sudden that computer is being gay and wont oen cdrom, so i cant get the ubuntu CD in it since i have to use the cdrom to boot into knoppix
[02:14] <LinuxJones> help, then do type mv /etc/X11/XF86Config-4-backup (or whatever the backup file name actually is) /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:18] <rellik> I'm having problems with hotplug/usb/kernel/??? this is from my dmesg: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ylrNuc50.html...  2 of my USB things work but the 3rd (ipod) doesn't ...  any ideas as to what to do?
[02:18] <hypa7ia> JeRM: try a paperclip
[02:18] <yaarg> hi everyone
[02:18] <davix> HrdwrBoB, how do i know if alsa is runing?
[02:19] <rapha> Yo!
[02:19] <rapha> If I want to try out Hoary, which CD image should I download?
[02:19] <zazeem> linuxjones, that just killed ubuntu :'(
[02:19] <zazeem> im in win now
[02:19] <zazeem> now i can only be in console :(
[02:20] <LinuxJones> zazeem, what ?
[02:20] <zazeem> how do i load the x86free-4 cfg? or wtvr
[02:20] <zazeem> that cmd u gave me killed it
[02:20] <zazeem> i cant login to any colored stuff just in console :(
[02:20] <zazeem> no screens lol
[02:20] <zazeem> ny way to load last one
[02:20] <zazeem> ??
[02:20] <zazeem> or get x86 again
[02:20] <LinuxJones> zazeem, what does ls /etc/X11/XF86Config* output ?
[02:20] <zazeem> or do i have to reinstall?
[02:21] <zazeem> ?
[02:21] <zazeem> umm dunno....?
[02:21] <zazeem> im in windows atm
[02:21] <LinuxJones> zazeem, type it in console
[02:21] <LinuxJones> zazeem, argh
[02:21] <zazeem> k anything else to type?
[02:21] <zazeem> ill write down
[02:21] <zazeem> ls /etc/X11/XF86Config*?
[02:21] <HrdwrBoB> davix: if alsamixer works
[02:21] <HrdwrBoB> then alsa is fine
[02:21] <zazeem> thats it or outpu to?
[02:22] <rapha> array3 or today's build?
[02:22] <LinuxJones> zazeem, you need to move the /etc/X11/XF86Config-backup file or whatever that name was to XF86Config-4 (the one that was in that directory before you moved anything)
[02:23] <zazeem> i didnt move anything
[02:23] <zazeem> i typed what u said wtvr backup and it died lol
[02:23] <LinuxJones>  zazeem  , then do type mv /etc/X11/XF86Config-4-backup (or whatever the backup file name actually is) /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:23] <zazeem> mv?
[02:23] <zazeem> whats that do
[02:23] <zazeem> ?
[02:24] <rapha> hmm
[02:24] <rapha> I'll get the daily build
[02:24] <rapha> G'night everybody!
[02:24] <shock> ok - now to really improve my desktop I need some kewl space-shipy pictures
[02:24] <shock> :P
[02:24] <link_> hey will the fedora 3 rpm work if i tryto install it on ubuntu, its just a library
[02:24] <LinuxJones> zazeem, it's easier to re-install (20 mins) or try to booting back and forth from Linux to Windows to try to fix it (2 hours)
[02:24] <DeanG> I've installed the VNC via synaptics, can someone URL me to server setup directions?
[02:24] <davix> HrdwrBoB, what can cause sound not to work other then hardware problems (rulling that out since with windows my soundcard did good)
[02:24] <HrdwrBoB> link_: what library
[02:24] <zazeem> well ill lose everything
[02:25] <shock> Link ? why would you want to do that?
[02:25] <zazeem> again :'(
[02:25] <zazeem> thats gay
[02:25] <link_> its zlib
[02:25] <zazeem> no way to re get x86
[02:25] <zazeem> ?
[02:25] <LinuxJones> zazeem, if your Linux install is working ok then leave it alone :D
[02:25] <zazeem> apt-get or something?
[02:25] <shock> er ?
[02:25] <LinuxJones> zazeem, do you know your hardware ?
[02:25] <zazeem> ubuntu was till i typed that in
[02:25] <shock> whats the problem?
[02:25] <zazeem> ya
[02:26] <zazeem> dunno ask linux
[02:26] <JeRM> zazeem lol
[02:26] <JeRM> havin linux problems yourself :P
[02:26] <zazeem> i edited my x86 cfg and then typed something linux said in it killed ubuntu lol now i can only use console shit :(
[02:26] <shock> zazeem - are you running xorg?
[02:26] <zazeem> ya lol
[02:26] <zazeem> no
[02:26] <shock> oder xfree
[02:26] <zazeem> xfree86
[02:26] <shock> hmpf
[02:26] <zazeem> ?
[02:26] <shock> try running xfree86config
[02:26] <zazeem> warty
[02:26] <zazeem> how
[02:26] <LinuxJones> zazeem, open the xf86config file in Linux console and read what it says about modifying your xf86config by hand. Then dpkg-reconfigure zserver-xfree86
[02:26] <zazeem> cmd?
[02:27] <pantz_> i am unsucessfully trying to mount a smb share in fstab - anyone able to help me out?
[02:27] <shock> or whatever it might be called
[02:27] <pantz_> here is my line - //gandalf/share /media/share    smbfs   credentials=/home/pantz/.samba,uid=1000,gid=1000,rw,umask=002,noauto,users       0 0
[02:27] <LinuxJones> zazeem, err make that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:27] <zazeem> open how i am onlyt in csole
[02:27] <zazeem> k
[02:27] <Rocha> davix, mp3 working?
[02:27] <link_> HrdwrBoB: im tring to install zlib
[02:27] <zazeem> ill try that
[02:27] <zenrox> pantz_,  put a space after your dir and semove the peroid
[02:27] <LinuxJones> zazeem, nooo
[02:28] <zazeem> ??
[02:28] <rellik> what's a good hardware channel?
[02:28] <LinuxJones> zazeem, nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 read, write down what it says, follow the commands, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:28] <zenrox> pantz_, like this ->>>
[02:28] <zazeem> theres no way to reinstall xfree/
[02:28] <zazeem> k
[02:28] <snowblink> LinuxJones: man XF86Config-4?
[02:28] <zenrox> pantz_, like this ->>>  //gandalf/share /media/share    smbfs   credentials=/home/pantz/.samba uid=1000,gid=1000,rw,umask=002,noauto,users       0 0
[02:28] <zazeem> ya 4
[02:29] <LinuxJones> snowblink, ??
[02:29] <HrdwrBoB> link_: err zlib ==libz
[02:29] <snowblink> LinuxJones: might be easier if he doesn't know how to use a pager
[02:29] <HrdwrBoB> link_: zlib1g
[02:29] <HrdwrBoB> there you go
[02:29] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get install zlib1g
[02:29] <HrdwrBoB> what is the problem?
[02:29] <LinuxJones> snowblink, actually it's easier if he re-installs 20 mins and back up
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> why do you need zlib
[02:30] <klaasvaag> hi ppls.. i just inserted my usb-stick, only to find out that after deleting all of the files on it that still 43% of the space is taken up by something misterious... ls -al lists nothing..
[02:30] <JeRM> damnit my computer needs to stop being gay and open cdrm when booted so i can load ubuntu so i can install
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> it's most likely alreadu installed
[02:30] <JeRM> jesus
[02:30] <link_> to play quake i guess
[02:30] <klaasvaag> any ideas what this could be or how to solve it?
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> klaasvaag: just reformat  it :)
[02:30] <JeRM> i need a paper clip so i can manually open cdrom if not lol
[02:30] <pantz_> zenrox, thanks i am trying it now ...
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> klaasvaag: mkfs.vfat
[02:30] <link_> no when i try and run the fuhquake.svga it dont like it
[02:31] <snowblink> LinuxJones: he needs to read more, and break less
[02:31] <klaasvaag> HrdwrBoB: sure about that? i dont wont to completely kill my mp3/usb-stick :P
[02:31] <link_> it says libz.so library not fount
[02:31] <HrdwrBoB> klaasvaag: that's all it is anyway
[02:31] <link_> found
[02:31] <LinuxJones> snowblink, we were all there once :D
[02:31] <HrdwrBoB> link_: that's not likely to EVER work properly
[02:31] <HrdwrBoB> what is fuhwuake
[02:31] <HrdwrBoB> .svga probably means svgalib
[02:31] <HrdwrBoB> which has been obselete for years
[02:31] <link_> so you can play quake
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> quake is open sourse
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> source
[02:32] <pantz_> zenrox, mount /media/share/
[02:32] <pantz_> [mntent] : line 10 in /etc/fstab is bad
[02:32] <pantz_> mount: can't find /media/share in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> you can get an sdl version
[02:32] <link_> well i got the svgalib and that error message went away
[02:32] <link_> now it wants zlib.so
[02:32] <pantz_> line 10 is - //gandalf/share /media/share smbfs credentials=/home/pantz/.samba uid=1000,gid=1000,rw,umask=002,noauto,users 0 0
[02:32] <zenrox> pantz_,  do a sudo mkdir /media/share
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> link_: trust me, you don't want that.
[02:32] <pantz_> i didn't see any difference between the line you pasted earlier and mine ...
[02:32] <klaasvaag> HrdwrBoB: it seems to work :) thx
[02:33] <link_> i dont want zlib?
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> no
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> you don't wnat to use svgalibn
[02:33] <pantz_> zenrox, root@faramir:/home/pantz # ls /media/
[02:33] <pantz_> cdrom  cdrom0  editing  fat  floppy  floppy0  share  xp
[02:33] <link_> por que no
[02:33] <link_> ?
[02:33] <link_> why not
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> http://www.libsdl.org/projects/quake/
[02:33] <pantz_> zenrox, /media/share exists
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> because it's years and years old
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> it won't work in X
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> it's not 3d accelerated
[02:33] <zenrox> pantz_,  hmmm ok put it back the way you had it
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> and even it does ever work, it'll be slow and terrible
[02:34] <link_> well when i try the gl version i get the same error
[02:34] <pantz_> this is what i have (which to me seems exactly the same as what you pasted earilier) ...
[02:34] <pantz_> /gandalf/share /media/share    smbfs  credentials=/home/pantz/.samba,uid=1000,gid=1000,rw,umask=002,noauto,users       0 0
[02:34] <DeanG> I need vncServer setup docs. Any links?
[02:34] <zenrox> - a ,
[02:34] <pantz_> oops missing the // at the start there
[02:34] <pantz_> lol
[02:35] <pantz_> xchat takes the slash as a special character
[02:35] <zenrox> yep
[02:35] <pantz_> hehe
[02:35] <link_> link@mushroomkingdom:/usr/local/games/quake $ sudo ./fuhquake-gl.glx
[02:35] <link_> Password:
[02:35] <link_> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:35] <link_> Error: FuhQuake couldn't load the required "libz.so" library.  You must either:
[02:35] <link_> i) (recommended) download the required libraries from www.fuhquake.net, or
[02:35] <link_> ii) specify "-nolibpng" on the cmdline to disable png image features.
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> link_: run ls -l /usr/lib/libz*
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> and paste the output to #flood
[02:36] <pantz_> zenrox, this is the error i get ...
[02:36] <pantz_> root@faramir:/media # mount share
[02:36] <pantz_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //gandalf/share,
[02:36] <pantz_>        missing codepage or other error
[02:36] <pantz_>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[02:36] <pantz_>        dmesg | tail  or so
[02:36] <link_> libz.so.1.2.1.1
[02:37] <pantz_> oh shit - dmesg tells me - smbfs: mount_data version 1684370019 is not supported
[02:37] <link_> just this one file and a link to it
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> yes and the link is called libz.so.1 ?
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> run sudo ldconfig
[02:37] <link_> maybe i should make a link called libz.so
[02:37] <link_> ?
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> ldconfig should do it for you
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> but yes that will fix it
[02:38] <link_> whats ldconfig?
[02:38] <link_> im such a noob =oP
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> ldconfig configures shared libraries
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> makes links and stuff
[02:39] <link_> whats that apt-get you mention erlyer
[02:39] <link_> earlier
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> apt-get is a program used to install and manage packages
[02:39] <link_> cuz i was using aptitude to dl packages
[02:39] <link_> ahh
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> aptitude is a more graphical interface
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> synaptic is actually graphical
[02:40] <link_> i dont really like it very much
[02:40] <link_> oh ic
[02:40] <link_> through x then right
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> desktop->administration->synatpci package manager
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> er.. synaptic
[02:40] <link_> k im gunna go and figure out how to make a link
[02:41] <link_> its ln right?
[02:41] <HrdwrBoB> link_: try just running sudo ldconfig
[02:41] <HrdwrBoB> ln -s for symbolic link
[02:41] <HrdwrBoB> is what you want
[02:42] <link_> ldconfig did nothing
[02:42] <link_> ill make that link
[02:43] <link_> target first?
[02:43] <link_> ln -s libz.so.1 libz.so?
[02:45] <galder> Hello ubunters
[02:45] <mebaran151> can we prelink libs
[02:45] <mebaran151> in ubuntu
[02:45] <mebaran151> it sounds easy to do and intriguing
[02:45] <mebaran151> and I would like to set hdparm
[02:46] <mebaran151> what would be a safe hdparm command to run at startup
[02:46] <mebaran151> for a SATA Hardrive
[02:46] <mebaran151> that is DMA and 8mb cache
[02:46] <thenuke> mebaran151: umm, test :)
[02:47] <mebaran151> no testing
[02:47] <thenuke> I think you cannot harm your drive or files if you dont use those commands which you are warned about in hdparm --help
[02:47] <mebaran151> I dont need great performance
[02:47] <link_> damn now it wants libpng.so!
[02:47] <thenuke> why no testing?
[02:47] <mebaran151> I just dont have the time
[02:47] <mebaran151> heheh
[02:47] <thenuke> okep :I
[02:47] <link_> one after another taken em down
[02:47] <thenuke> hdparm -d1 makes most difference, it enables dma, if it is not enabled
[02:48] <thenuke> hdparm /dev/hdX tells you if you do not have dma on
[02:49] <eruin> hdparm -d1 doesnt work at all here
[02:49] <eruin> strangely it does when I run gentoo
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> link_: png is in /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0
[02:50] <tritium> eruin, here?  you mean on ubuntu?
[02:53] <JeRM> is their a command to run that will eject CDrom ?
[02:53] <mebaran151> eject
[02:53] <mebaran151> and then name your cdrom
[02:53] <mebaran151> eject hda
[02:53] <mebaran151> for instance
[02:53] <mebaran151> or eject hdb
[02:53] <Xirdneh> does ubuntu support amarok?
[02:54] <jdub> no
[02:54] <macewan> my wife loves that program
[02:54] <jdub> but it's in universe
[02:54] <Xirdneh> wich is a good media player that ubuntu support?
[02:54] <mebaran151> mplayer ;)
[02:54] <thenuke> mplayer
[02:55] <zenrox> gxine
[02:55] <mebaran151> gstreamer really isnt so bad
[02:55] <mebaran151> with the good codecs
[02:55] <mebaran151> I dont notice it being as horrible as peoople
[02:55] <Xirdneh> thnx
[02:55] <mebaran151> maybe I am just lucky
[02:55] <zenrox> mebaran151,  your just luckey
[02:56] <warty> Hello
[02:56] <link_> i got it!
[02:56] <link_> yah!
[02:56] <link_> thanks bro
[02:56] <link_> success!!
[02:56] <toxickore> hello...
[02:56] <link_> hi!
[02:57] <toxickore> what's the command to add a service copied from /etc/init.d/skeleton ????
[02:57] <JeRM> damnit it wont open
[02:57] <link_> sorry got carried away there
[02:57] <link_> =o)
[02:57] <JeRM> goddamnitwindowsXp wont detect any harddisks when installing
[02:57] <JeRM> if i leave XP to boot, and i click install, it will try to instal but then fail and say it cant find any harddisks
[02:57] <warty> I am new on ubuntu and want to know how register for IRC on Ubuntu
[02:57] <link_> got to putem fat
[02:57] <toxickore> what's the command to add a service copied from /etc/init.d/skeleton ????
[02:57] <nightwolf> JeRM, serial ata?
[02:58] <dud> i believe winxp needs the first partition to be recognizable...
[02:58] <warty> I am new on ubuntu and want to know how register for IRC on Ubuntu
[02:58] <JeRM> what you mean wolf?
[02:58] <tritium> toxickore, update-rc.d
[02:58] <pantz_> does anyone here have a samba share mounted in /etc/fstab so i can steal their syntax?
[02:58] <nightwolf> what kind of hard drive
[02:58] <JeRM> have no idea
[02:58] <dud> warty, register how?
[02:58] <JeRM> its old eMachine etower 500is
[02:58] <link_> JeRM are they on fat32
[02:58] <link_> ?
[02:58] <JeRM> thinks its a 4.3gb HD
[02:59] <warty> Like get a password etc,  on windows it signs you up automatically
[02:59] <JeRM> id suppose causei bought this XP back in 2002 and installed it ont he emachine
[02:59] <nightwolf> only thing i can think of is a weird ide controller that would need special drivers, then use the F6 key on xp setup to add them
[02:59] <LinuxJones> warty, /msg nickserv help it will  tell you
[02:59] <dud> good luck running wincrap xp on something like that....
[02:59] <link_> windows dont like em formatted ext
[02:59] <JeRM> now that i put knoppix ontheir i cant get the XP disc to reinstall
[02:59] <nightwolf> ah
[02:59] <tritium> JeRM, did you put linux on the first partition?
[02:59] <JeRM> wahhhhhhhhh
[02:59] <JeRM> i probably did
[03:00] <tritium> are you using grub?
[03:00] <dud> as i said, xp needs the first partition
[03:00] <JeRM> i had bunch of online friends help me install :( it was a bitch to get shit workin
[03:00] <JeRM> using Knoppix-STD
[03:00] <link_> oh yeah thats right stoopid old windows
[03:00] <JeRM> uhm is their anyway to clear my first partition to get XP back on it :/
[03:00] <tritium> JeRM, if you're using grub, you can remap
[03:01] <pantz_> JeRM, mkfs.vfat /dev/hda?
[03:01] <JeRM> what is grub?
[03:01] <tritium> bootloader
[03:01] <pantz_> JeRM, grub is the boot loader
[03:01] <pantz_> decides which operating system to boot to
[03:02] <JeRM> nooo
[03:02] <JeRM> im not :(
[03:02] <JeRM> wheni turn on my comp
[03:02] <JeRM> it loads a nd shit
[03:02] <JeRM> then its like scanning Cdrom for boot
[03:02] <tritium> since windows wants to be on 1st partion, but linux is on it, "map (hd0) (hd1)" and "map (hd1) (hd0)"
[03:02] <JeRM> if not loaded itll then scan floppy
[03:02] <JeRM> i use a CD to boot.
[03:02] <pantz_> JeRM, have you changed your boot order in the BIOS
[03:02] <pantz_> JeRM, put cdrom first ...
[03:02] <JeRM> i dont think im skilled enough to edit bios, so if i did it was by accident
[03:03] <pantz_> well it is honesty not scarey
[03:03] <plagerism> Trying to use gdesklets and the memory monitor is complaining about glibtop?? Any ideas what package offers this??
[03:03] <pantz_> if your machine will not boot from your cd - you have to go into the BIOS
[03:03] <JeRM> well what should i do?
[03:03] <nightwolf> pantz its not boot order, its maybe the hdd is disabled totally
[03:03] <JeRM> id like to put windows back on the old emachine...
[03:03] <pantz_> ok look for the option of 'boot order' and change the order
[03:03] <nightwolf> pantz his xp cd boots, but xp setup cannot find the drive
[03:03] <JeRM> yea
[03:04] <pantz_> change just that - nothing else - then save and quit
[03:04] <JeRM> it says cant find any hard disks
[03:04] <plagerism> JerM you have to remove all the partitions(linux) and then do the setup
[03:04] <pantz_> your machine will reboot and should find the cdrom first
[03:04] <JeRM> my knoppix boot CD works.
[03:04] <JeRM> plagerism: how would i go about removing all the partitions?
[03:04] <pantz_> nightwolf, oh ok
[03:04] <JeRM> (linux) that is
[03:04] <plagerism> JerM boot into knoppix and use fdisk /dev/hda
[03:04] <tritium> can I tell from lspci if I have a controller capable of pci hotplug?
[03:05] <JeRM> aight brb
[03:05] <pantz_> JeRM, as plagerism says ...
[03:05] <JeRM> imma run that cmd
[03:05] <plagerism> JerM this is assuming you did have Linux on this box
[03:05] <JeRM> says unable to open /dev/hda !
[03:05] <pantz_> /dev/hdb?
[03:05] <tritium> I believe I need pci_hotplug to dock/undock from my docking station and have device modules handled properly.
[03:05] <pantz_> /dev/hdc?
[03:06] <pantz_> /dev/hdd?
[03:06] <plagerism> dmesg |grep hd
[03:06] <plagerism> and find your harddrive
[03:06] <JeRM> i had XP on it before Knoppix
[03:06] <JeRM> now its Knoppix
[03:06] <plagerism> Knoppix isnt on it, its a livecd
[03:06] <JeRM> all say unable to open /dev/hda-b-c-d
[03:06] <JeRM> ooooh
[03:07] <JeRM> well plag
[03:07] <JeRM> what should i do :/
[03:07] <plagerism> JerM did dmesg|grep hd show any drives
[03:07] <pantz_> JeRM, have you been messing with the cables plugged into your drives lately?
[03:07] <JeRM> hahano pantz
[03:07] <pantz_> is it a scsi disk?
[03:07] <JeRM> says bash: grap: command not found
[03:07] <pantz_> grEp
[03:07] <rellik> is it possible to downgrade?  can I just 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.7-1-686' ?
[03:08] <plagerism> pything libgtop, any ideas what package provides this functionality??
[03:08] <JeRM> oops
[03:08] <JeRM> hey
[03:08] <JeRM> dmesg|grep hd showed some stuff
[03:08] <plagerism> rellik, I used to do it on Debian all the time.  It would be insane if you couldnt
[03:08] <pantz_> JeRM, paste it ..
[03:09] <JeRM> says alot of stuff is scsi
[03:09] <plagerism> then try fdisk /dev/sda
[03:09] <JeRM> example: hda=scsi hdb=scsi etc...
[03:09] <pantz_> try fdisk /dev/sda
[03:09] <plagerism> sdb etc....
[03:09] <JeRM> says unable to open /dev/sda !
[03:10] <JeRM> hey guys i g2g its 8pm and dads got custody so i gotta head back to his place :(
[03:10] <pantz_> JeRM, try fdisk /dev/sdb and if it doesnt work - cya!
[03:10] <JeRM> damn
[03:10] <JeRM> doesnt work
[03:10] <JeRM> wtf
[03:10] <JeRM> jesus
[03:11] <JeRM> plagerism: whats your AIM screenname
[03:11] <JeRM> for further contact tomorrow
[03:11] <plagerism> I dont use aim
[03:11] <plagerism> And I really am not that smart
[03:11] <pantz_> lol
[03:11] <JeRM> danit
[03:11] <JeRM> what should i dooooooOOOO!
[03:12] <Fazer> What is the root password for Ubuntu's Live CD?
[03:12] <plagerism> Come back in here next time you try and fix it
[03:12] <plagerism> Fazer Ubuntu doesnt have root, get used to sudo
[03:12] <Fazer> plagerism: I did sudu /sbin/shutdown
[03:12] <Fazer> asked for password
[03:12] <Fazer> *sudo
[03:12] <plagerism> use the users passwd
[03:13] <Fazer> What do you mean?
[03:13] <Agrajag> plagerism: livecd
[03:13] <plagerism> Oh yea nevermind
[03:13] <plagerism> lol
[03:13] <plagerism> Again not that smart
[03:13] <BrianPM> Hi. Just installed ubuntu.  I've had a little experience with suse.  After install, my monitor doesn't handle the refresh and such that it defaults to.  Is there any little applet I can run to set the modeline like sax2 in suse?
[03:13] <Fazer> so when I am on the Live CD, how do I shut down?'
[03:14] <plagerism> Fazer are you in a desktop??
[03:14] <Fazer> he's from rogers too!
[03:14] <regeya> BrianPM, you could run the Screen Resolution applet under Computer->System Configuration, or you could (help me out here, is there a better way than this?) edit your XF86Config
[03:15] <BrianPM> I can't load X.
[03:15] <regeya> the Screen Resolution setting would be per-user
[03:15] <BrianPM> I need something I can do from the command line safe mode.
[03:15] <EvolutionR> I've ran alot of trouble lately with the Ubuntu Hoary...anyone here facing any trouble?
[03:15] <regeya> help me out someone; would it behoove BrianPM to do something like dpkg-reconfigure...erm.  /me has a brainfart.
[03:16] <BrianPM> Other than open a text editor and find some alternate way to calculate the modeline on the internet
[03:16] <regeya> I'm just getting over being ill, BrianPM, so my brain has turned to mush.  Bear wiht me...
[03:16] <BrianPM> Or...is there a command line option to startx that will start it in 640x480?
[03:16] <pantz_> does anyone here have access to a samba share that they could test mounting with smbfs for me?
[03:16] <BrianPM> Hehe. Thanks for the help
[03:16] <pantz_> i am running hoary
[03:17] <pantz_> mount -t smbfs //gandalf/share /media/share fails for me
[03:17] <regeya> I think dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 may help, BrianPM
[03:17] <EvolutionR> pantz: the Gnome 2.9 ...giving me alot of trouble especially the X11...xorg
[03:18] <regeya> or not...hm.
[03:19] <EvolutionR> the screen resolution wont stay put....meaning to say saved resolution 1074....after 2 ,3 reboots it went itself to  680 something...
[03:19] <EvolutionR> is Kde done with the Hoary thing?
[03:20] <plagerism> yea so you can use Desktop logout and select shutdown
[03:20] <zazeem> how do i enable nvidia cfg?
[03:20] <plagerism> lol
[03:20] <zazeem> and edit xfree86 cfg?
[03:20] <Riddell> EvolutionR: KDE is available in universe, 3.2 in warty, 3.3.2 in hoary
[03:21] <dud> umm, i think i lost my libdvdcss2 after a dist-upgrade on my amd64 hoary....
[03:21] <dud> could that be?
[03:22] <BrianPM> I'm going thru that setup tool, regeya...will let ya know in a few!
[03:22] <madsen> dud: Well, you can just download and install it again...
[03:22] <pantz_> dud, i have libdvdcss2 from woody
[03:22] <hams> when i connect to my vpn, i can't send X stuff back? is there something i need to configure for that?
[03:22] <hams> i even tried xhost +
[03:23] <dud> hmm, i saw something about running /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[03:23] <dud> ill try that
[03:23] <daniels> hams: using SSH tunelling with ssh -Y is strongly advised
[03:24] <hams> meaning that i ssh into my work workstation?
[03:25] <BrianPM> Thanks Regeya! I was able to set it to a default that my monitor can actually show. Great call. I hope you're feeling better soon. :)
[03:25] <Xenguy> daniels: is ssh -Y preferable to ssh -X  ?
[03:25] <daniels> EvolutionR: i think that problem will be solved with the next x.org upload
[03:25] <daniels> Xenguy: yeah
[03:26] <Xenguy> daniels: tx
[03:26] <hams> ok i'll try the ssh thing and see if X apps work...
[03:26] <EvolutionR> u mean  next xorg  version? is Xorg have some trouble working?
[03:27] <daniels> EvolutionR: there was a bug about that sort of thing that I grabbed a patch for, and it will be in the next xorg upload
[03:27] <aw> does this have anything to do w/ xorg not working on ppc w/ radeon? (sorry, came in a bit too late)
[03:28] <daniels> aw: nope.  what's your problem there?
[03:28] <dud> xorg works fine here on hoary...
[03:28] <madsen> On Hoary that is..
[03:28] <EvolutionR> Hoary is shaking unsteady here!
[03:28] <aw> daniels: it uses fbdev by default at an unacceptable resolution, if I remove the option for fbdev, it won't sync the monitor and claims it can't read the option rom
[03:29] <regeya> EvolutionR, duh
[03:29] <keyvan> hey i installed ubuntu on my laptop the other day
[03:29] <EvolutionR> I better wait for the stable release of Hoary
[03:29] <keyvan> and it is using my wireless connection just fine, and i see the signal bar at the top
[03:29] <EvolutionR> errors keep popping out
[03:29] <keyvan> but i cant tell it what ssid to connect to
[03:29] <aw> daniels: xfree86 on debian and an older xorg on gentoo work fine using the radeon driver w/o fbdev
[03:30] <keyvan> and my wireless is labeled as eth0 not wlan0 or anything
[03:30] <madsen> keyvan: sudo iwconfig eth0 essid "your ap"
[03:30] <daniels> aw: hm.  could you please file a bug with your Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf attached (from the pristine configuration)?
[03:30] <daniels> aw: (i assume you're on a laptop)
[03:30] <keyvan> oh thanks madsen, theres no gui one with scanning features?
[03:30] <aw> daniels: mac mini
[03:30] <keyvan> ill try that right now though thans
[03:30] <regeya> hm...does aqua extreme work on the mini?
[03:30] <regeya> not that that matters to ubuntu users :-)
[03:31] <dud> btw, has the bug about not being able to change gnome themes been fixed yet?
[03:31] <dud> or is that a "feature"?
[03:31] <keyvan> oh madsen thanks alot, i just ran the iwconfig and it displays everything, thanks for the help, perfect, thanks
[03:32] <madsen> keyvan: I don't know about the gui stuff, there might be... I just use that... You can set it up in some startup script as well. (If you want it to connect to the same AP every time.)
[03:35] <aw> daniels: I don't have the pristine config, is there a utility I can run to remake one (X -configure doesn't work)
[03:35] <hams> vpnc is not able to open /dev/net/tun (it doesn't exist) what am i missing?
[03:36] <tritium> hams, it's not tun0?
[03:37] <hams> tritium, found a patch for 0.3.2 vpnc to get it working on amd64, was working last night, but now not so much
[03:37] <tritium> hams, you're further along than you were last night.  What was the problem?
[03:37] <tritium> I see.
[03:37] <regeya> if any NTSC-country Kino-users here have figured out how to create a DVD with synchronised audio, please let me know :-)
[03:37] <keyvan_> i wish the wifi scanning and switching was graphical though, since they already have the indicator at the top of the screen
[03:37] <tritium> hams, I think the device always has a number at the end
[03:38] <plagerism> Hrmm, how do I use ACPI
[03:38] <plagerism> Stuff like hddtemp
[03:38] <plagerism> and cputemp
[03:38] <hams> the code is doing: open("/dev/net/tun", O_RDWR))
[03:39] <tritium> hams, what interface name is listed in your vpnc .conf file?
[03:40] <keyvan_> could somebody help me? i am sure gtk is installed (as i see it in the synaptic package manager) but i get this error when ./configuring to install a program:
[03:40] <keyvan_> checking for gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0.0... Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[03:40] <keyvan_> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc'
[03:40] <keyvan_> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[03:40] <keyvan_> No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
[03:40] <hams> tritium, none i guess? what is the syntax i'm looking for?
[03:40] <keyvan_> configure: error: Library requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[03:40] <keyvan_> configure: error: Library requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[03:40] <keyvan_> any suggestions?
[03:40] <tritium> hams, for example, the first line of mine is "Interface name tun0"
[03:41] <hams> tritium, which file and path has that in it?
[03:42] <tritium> hams, my custom config file in /etc/vpnc
[03:42] <tritium> configured for my vpn settings
[03:43] <tritium> hams, what does your config look like?
[03:44] <hams> tritium, do you have 'tun' in your /etc/modules?
[03:44] <tritium> hams, no
[03:45] <hams> when i did modprobe tun, it worked.
[03:45] <tritium> I've never needed to do that
[03:46] <hams> perhaps it's a difference in the warty/hoary kernels?
[03:47] <hams> tritium, did you need to do anything special to get X working over vpnc?
[03:47] <tritium> hams, could be the difference between the source and the debian package, which has added stuff like the vpnc-connect script
[03:47] <tritium> hams, never tried to
[03:48] <hams> good point
[03:48] <tritium> hams, try the patch on the ubuntu package sources
[03:49] <jba> anybody else getting totem complaining that alsa device already in use on hoary ?
[03:50] <plagerism> jba yes
[03:50] <plagerism> Although never use Totem
[03:50] <ron_> hello
[03:50] <ron_> new to ubuntu
[03:50] <ron_> anyone else
[03:50] <ron_> ?
[03:50] <dud> lots of new people try out ubuntu every single day ;)
[03:50] <plagerism> jba, All I gotta figure out is how to remove Totem as my default Media Player
[03:51] <plagerism> I am new to Ubuntu
[03:51] <plagerism> I likes it
[03:51] <ron_> maybe use apt get
[03:51] <jba> plagerism, why remove totem?
[03:51] <ron_> to remove
[03:51] <plagerism> jba, cause I never liked totem
[03:51] <jba> i just want to know how to get around that bug
[03:51] <ron_> apt-get
[03:51] <regeya> apt-get cured my impotency
[03:51] <ron_> ok want to know how?
[03:51] <dud> desktop-preferences-preffered applications
[03:51] <dud> try that plagerism
[03:51] <ron_> heres how
[03:52] <regeya> and it gave me infinite grenades!
[03:52] <ron_> apt-get remove totem
[03:52] <regeya> in real life
[03:52] <plagerism> thanks Dud, I just meant remove it within Gnome
[03:52] <ron_> oh
[03:52] <plagerism> dud, sorry missed that
[03:52] <plagerism> lol
[03:52] <ron_> i have a major problem
[03:52] <regeya> aye, you do
[03:52] <ron_> i went to linux .org and changed some files now my apt get is messing up
[03:52] <regeya> oh dear
[03:53] <plagerism> dud, that only does mail terminal and browser
[03:53] <ron_> naw
[03:53] <jba> where is the ubuntu mailing list, wanna see if anyone else had this problem
[03:53] <ron_> it does updates
[03:53] <ron_> as well
[03:53] <dud> hmmk
[03:53] <ron_> i disabled the universe block
[03:53] <ron_> and it was fine till i went to
[03:53] <ron_> linux.org
[03:53] <ron_> and made changes
[03:53] <regeya> jhkljhkjh
[03:54] <plagerism> I think its something to do with nautilus and gnome mime types
[03:54] <robertj> jba: right click a media file and go to properties, select the open with tab
[03:54] <regeya> here's a tip, ron_: have you thought of changing things back to the way they were before you went mucking about?
[03:54] <dud> if you added unsupported repositores, you're basically out on thin ice by yourself hehe
[03:54] <regeya> well said
[03:54] <ron_> i guess ill rebuild the whole system
[03:55] <ron_> i will be back though
[03:55] <regeya> that would probably be the easiest route
[03:55] <regeya> and don't go mucking about without a.) backups and b.) knowing what you're doing :-D
[03:55] <wm_eddie> Yes, it looks like I'm going to demo Ubuntu in my Palm programming class
[03:55] <jba> robertj, still getting the "otem could not startup" error messages
[03:55] <wm_eddie> There a program called Guikachu that my professor wants me to demo.
[03:55] <tritium> ron_, please hurry.  You've disabled the universe, and now we're frozen in space and time.
[03:55] <ron_> well i changed only one file
[03:55] <ron_> and then it stopped
[03:55] <regeya> LOL
[03:56] <ron_> i deleted and rechanged it but iut still didnt work
[03:56] <regeya> you're messing with my infinite-grenades universe patch, ron_
[03:56] <regeya> 'chunky.  bacon.'
[03:56] <hams> daniels, thanks the ssh -Y did the trick
[03:56] <ron_> i have learned a lot
[03:56] <ron_> i even added a printer
[03:56] <ron_> x75 lexmark
[03:57] <ron_> and now i never need xp again
[03:57] <regeya> ron_: messing thins up is an excellent way to learn :-)
[03:57] <tritium> ron_, awesome!
[03:57] <ron_> i can do everything windows does
[03:57] <ron_> and with wine you can even run other stuff off their system
[03:58] <ron_> i picked up a great book
[03:58] <wm_eddie> ron_: And with Transgaming's Cedega you can even play the popular games.
[03:58] <regeya> that reminds me; I haven't enabled the BSOD screensaver yet.
[03:58] <ron_> its got a yellow and black cover called  "teach yourself linux"
[03:58] <goldfish> hrmm....
[03:58] <ron_> im still learning
[03:58] <wm_eddie> ron_: I remember when I started using linux I got "Linux for dummies"
[03:58] <wm_eddie> lol....
[03:58] <goldfish> This is very strange, ubuntu recovery mode works for me fine, I am running it now, but I cant boot into ubuntu normally :/
[03:59] <wm_eddie> I learned a couple of things from that book.
[03:59] <ron_> and you know what i know no one who even cares about linux in my daily activities
[03:59] <ron_> whats the deal is everyone numb?
[03:59] <goldfish> Anyone know anyway I can check what is wrong?
[03:59] <wm_eddie> goldfish: What does the kernel say when you try botting normally?
[03:59] <marcin_ant> hello - could anyone help me with ppp settings?
[04:00] <dud> goldfish, check /var/log/syslogd
[04:00] <daniels> aw: XORG_FORCE_PROBE=yes sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[04:00] <ron_> ok im rebooting the whole sysem i guess unless someone knows how to restore a system to an earlier date!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 ugh, blue, do you know how I can get this thing to reconfigure xfree86 the way it did on install?
[04:01] <ron_> i think start x is it
[04:01] <ron_> is it?
[04:01] <wm_eddie> ron_: Wouldn't it be great if bash had an undo command?
[04:01] <regeya> ron_: backups, or use a Red Hat system ;-)
[04:02] <goldfish> dud: file or directory does not exist
[04:02] <wm_eddie> ron_: um are you in console mode?
[04:02] <ron_> lol
[04:02] <ron_> do any women use linux?
[04:02] <ron_> i know none
[04:02] <regeya> indeed they do
[04:02] <goldfish> wm_eddie: emm.. it all goes fine, until it goes to the ubuntu cream screen, then it freezes
[04:02] <tritium> sure, my wife and mother do
[04:02] <ron_> i can be in a console
[04:02] <regeya> seek and ye shall find.
[04:02] <wm_eddie> ron_: I know of two women that use linux
[04:02] <wm_eddie> and My sister used to.
[04:02] <regeya> the wife of the founder of the local LUG did a talk at the last lunacy cruise
[04:03] <wm_eddie> ron_: what exactly are you trying to do?
[04:03] <ron_> im trying to restore my system
[04:03] <ron_> to yesterday
[04:03] <ron_> or earlier
[04:03] <regeya> we had no idea her_brain > his_brain
[04:03] <ron_> i changed a file in apt
[04:03] <ron_> in
[04:03] <ron_> etc/apt
[04:03] <ron_> and it messed up my apt-get downloads
[04:04] <ron_> it seems to semi work
[04:04] <wm_eddie> ron_: is there a /etc/apt/*~
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> ron_: my fiance uses linux
[04:04] <ron_> let me look
[04:04] <wm_eddie> or something like sources.list~?
[04:04] <ron_> yes sources
[04:04] <ron_> but not *~
[04:04] <wm_eddie> ok
[04:05] <wm_eddie> * is a glob by the way.
[04:05] <wm_eddie> ~ means it's a backup file created by your editor
[04:05] <wm_eddie> see if that is old enough. or..
[04:05] <ron_> i took out the two ##  in universe but then when i did a linux .org suggestion it messed me up
[04:05] <dud> i force my 12 year old sister to use linux hehe
[04:05] <syn-ack> .
[04:05] <wm_eddie> you can get my sources.list from http://wm-eddie.info/~wm_eddie/sources.list
[04:05] <pvh> Has anyone else got an ACX100 Wireless LAN card?
[04:05] <ron_> ok
[04:06] <tritium> hams, did you try patching the ubuntu sources?
[04:06] <ron_> what are all the xtra lines?
[04:07] <ron_> i see java i guess
[04:07] <wm_eddie> Java and Mono and win32codecs :)
[04:07] <ron_> ok
[04:08] <hams> tritium, ?
[04:08] <tritium> yes?
[04:08] <aw> daniels: that didn't write a new xorg.conf, but I did a dpkg --purge of it and apt-get reinstalled, it's only white space difference from the xorg.conf I already uploaded to #6117
[04:08] <jba> hmm so totem notem likem alsa ?
[04:08] <hams> tritium, what do you mean patch ubuntu sources?
[04:09] <tritium> hams, get the source to the ubuntu vpnc package, patch it, and build it
[04:09] <wm_eddie> I wonder if I should bring my camera tomorrow and take a picture of the firefox kiosk in the language media center. (Powered by Ubuntu)
[04:09] <tritium> hams, see if that works better
[04:09] <regeya> wheee
[04:10] <hams> how do i get the ubuntu source version?
[04:10] <wm_eddie> ron_: by the way, it'd be pretty easy to make a shell script that backs up your etc.
[04:10] <ron_> hey
[04:10] <ron_> i think it worked
[04:11] <ron_> i coppied it in gedit
[04:11] <ron_> and ran apt get update
[04:11] <wm_eddie> cool
[04:11] <ron_> and it went through let me do a upgrade hold on
[04:11] <daniels> aw: ok.  does sudo ddcprobe give you output ending in edidfail, or a whole bunch of spew about dtiming, ctiming, tec?
[04:11] <daniels> s/tec/etc/
[04:12] <daniels> aw: (what sort of monitor is it hooked up to?)
[04:12] <aw> daniels: the latter, much spewage
[04:12] <daniels> argh
[04:12] <aw> daniels: lcd
[04:12] <ron_> if i can find a woman who likes linux and uses it ill marry her
[04:12] <daniels> well, 6.8.1-11ubuntu13 might well solve your problem
[04:12] <daniels> er, 6.8.1-1ubuntu13
[04:13] <aw> daniels: happy to try, anywhere I can pull it from?
[04:13] <ron_> wm eddie how did u get a link on here with your file?
[04:14] <wm_eddie> ?
[04:14] <ron_> is it posted on the web?
[04:14] <ron_> or did i draw it straight off the file itself?
[04:14] <wm_eddie> ?
[04:14] <ron_> the source file
[04:14] <hams> can bash be made like ksh, where EDITOR=vi changes the command keys?
[04:14] <ron_> how did i pull it up
[04:14] <ron_> off that link?
[04:14] <wm_eddie> the http://wm-eddie.info/~wm_eddie/sources.list?
[04:14] <ron_> yea
[04:14] <daniels> aw: not yet, it's not finished
[04:14] <ron_> is that a web page or
[04:15] <wm_eddie> wm-eddie.info is my web server.
[04:15] <ron_> is a file on your computer
[04:15] <ron_> or are they the same?
[04:15] <ron_> oh
[04:15] <|QuaD-> whats a good pdf editor?
[04:15] <wm_eddie> It's copied to my web serve.r
[04:15] <ron_> i have a ways to go to grasp that
[04:15] <rellik> I am trying to downgrade my kernel from 2.6.8 to 2.6.7 but when I boot 2.6.7 X won't start..  says "Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!"  I can't 'apt-get install nvidia-glx' because it's already on the machine, for 2.6.8...  how do I fix this?
[04:15] <aw> daniels: ok, I'll keep my fingers crossed and try to pull it tomorrow
[04:15] <ron_> i thought about setting up a dns of my own mbut i have no clue as of yet
[04:15] <aw> daniels: thanks
[04:15] <wm_eddie> It's impossible to access my sources.list on my desktop from the internet.  My firewall won't let you get close to my computer.
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> rellik: why are you doing that?
[04:15] <tritium> hams, "sudo apt-get source vpnc"
[04:16] <rellik> HrdwrBoB, there is a bug in 2.6.8 that affects my mobo's USB
[04:16] <daniels> aw: no worries
[04:16] <ron_> so wm how do i do those backups?
[04:16] <wm_eddie> well there are lots of ways.
[04:16] <hams> tritium, where does it put the source?
[04:16] <ron_> easiest
[04:16] <HrdwrBoB> rellik: the nvidia module is in linux-restricted-modules
[04:17] <rellik> HrdwrBoB, so get l-r-m for my new (old) kernel?
[04:17] <tritium> hams, in the directory where you execute the command from
[04:17] <HrdwrBoB> rellik: yes, if it's there
[04:17] <rellik> HrdwrBoB, thanks I'll try that...  do I have to boot the other kernel to try that?
[04:17] <HrdwrBoB> no
[04:18] <terry> are there xorg packages for dri from dri.sourceforge.net??
[04:18] <wm_eddie> "sudo nautilus /" then copy the /etc/ directory, and paste it into /var/backups/2005.02.02/ or something.
[04:18] <hams> tritium, is there a way to specify a "global" proxy? so when i start the vpn, i can set a default http proxy?
[04:18] <ron_> or something?
[04:18] <HrdwrBoB> terry: er.. what do you mean
[04:18] <HrdwrBoB> what are you trying to do
[04:18] <wm_eddie> or you can make a shell script that is run once a week or once a day or whenever you want that does just that.
[04:18] <ron_> yea
[04:19] <wm_eddie> but that requires knowing bash.
[04:19] <ron_> thats what i need a shell script
[04:19] <terry> HrdwrBob, is dri in xorg??
[04:19] <ron_> once a day
[04:19] <ron_> ok
[04:19] <defile> so far, Hoary rocks
[04:19] <ron_> how??????????????????????????????
[04:19] <wm_eddie> ron_: one ? is just as good at 10
[04:19] <tritium> hams, you're not talking about the IPSec gateway, are you?
[04:19] <ron_> let me download bash hold on
[04:19] <wm_eddie> or you sound like you are on ritalin
[04:19] <wm_eddie> lol
[04:19] <wm_eddie> ron_: You already have bash
[04:19] <wm_eddie> bash is the command prompt
[04:19] <ron_> i want to have bash thats what i was doing when it crashed
[04:20] <ron_> or i crashed it ie
[04:20] <ron_> so let me get bash now
[04:20] <wm_eddie> ?
[04:20] <HrdwrBoB> terry: yes
[04:20] <ron_> i doubt it
[04:20] <defile> yep, ritalin
[04:20] <ron_> i have
[04:20] <hams> tritium, no. i mean when i connect to the vpn, i need my web browser to start using my works http proxy, can you set that on a global basis?
[04:20] <wm_eddie> I'm very sure you have bash
[04:20] <wm_eddie> already
[04:20] <terry> Oh okay, and to use them it will be automatic if supported??
[04:20] <ron_> i have gnome terminal
[04:20] <wm_eddie> yeah. see the '$'? that's bash
[04:20] <HrdwrBoB> terry: yes
[04:20] <terry> Xservers still confuse the crap out of me
[04:21] <hams> echo $SHELL
[04:21] <defile> ron_, bash --version?
[04:21] <tritium> hams, for gnome apps, yes, under Computer->Preferences
[04:21] <ron_> look at this comment i got
[04:21] <tritium> (I think that's the location in Warty)
[04:21] <terry> HrdwrBoB so I have an ATI radion 9000 and I am using radeon driver
[04:21] <ron_> Reading Package Lists... Done
[04:21] <ron_> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[04:21] <ron_> E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[04:21] <ron_> root@ubuntu:/home/ron #
[04:21] <hams> tritium, can that be done via a command line function or ENV variable?
[04:21] <terry> this is best?? fglrx wont give me xv
[04:21] <tritium> hams, it's called "Network Proxy"
[04:21] <tritium> hams, I don't know
[04:21] <ron_> it says i have
[04:21] <marcin_ant> are there Eclipse packages available?
[04:21] <ron_> no source url in my source file
[04:21] <wasabi_> marcin. ;)
[04:22] <wasabi_> marcin, I just made some.
[04:22] <wm_eddie> marcin_ant: In debian unstable yes
[04:22] <wasabi_> Eclipse 3.0, on mentors.debian.net
[04:22] <wasabi_> Requires gcj 4.0 though.
[04:22] <ron_> no source url in my source file it says for bash
[04:22] <wm_eddie> ron_: dude you already have bash
[04:23] <ron_> i know what ill do ill go to my cd rom and copy my apt file from the cd to my hard drive maybe i wont have to reboot
[04:23] <wm_eddie> and why is it requireing source URIs...
[04:23] <ron_> ok so i type run bash?
[04:23] <wm_eddie> ron_: no
[04:23] <wm_eddie> when you open a terminal
[04:23] <wm_eddie> that's bash
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> terry: if you don't need 3d, just stick to the 'ati' driver
[04:23] <wm_eddie> the command prompt
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> the fgrlx driver should give you xv though
[04:24] <terry> WrdwrBoB, what would i need 3d for??
[04:24] <ron_> ok so what r the file for a back up script
[04:24] <wm_eddie> now to make a shell script you have to make a file with "#!/bin/bash" on the first line (without the ""s)
[04:24] <ron_> i mean the commands for a script
[04:24] <ron_> backup once a day
[04:24] <tritium> terry, games, for example
[04:24] <wm_eddie> then you just write the commands you would do line by line.
[04:25] <terry> tritium, yes that may be a possibility in the near future
[04:26] <robertj> I need a work from work job
[04:26] <robertj> I did the math today and realized I have worked 13 hours this week, 4 of which were "meetings"
[04:27] <robertj> Is it really possible to do nothing for 40 years and not be noticed at a public University?
[04:27] <tritium> robertj, are you faculty?
[04:27] <robertj> Lower management
[04:27] <robertj> it's my first 8-5 though
[04:27] <robertj> and my wife's in school for free
[04:27] <marcin_ant> wasabi_: so, this is "native compiled" eclipse without j2sdk?
[04:28] <tritium> I would say definitely for faculty once they get tunure
[04:28] <robertj> tritium: If it weren't for the fact I can't do _nothing_ for years on end I'll be out-earining these guys in 4 years
[04:29] <tritium> robertj, how's that?
[04:29] <robertj> tiritium: IT staff are underpayed so I got an inflated title so they could pay me at a higher pay grade
[04:29] <robertj> and now plans are going through to bring it staff up to the averages
[04:29] <marcin_ant> wasabi_: ?
[04:29] <robertj> which is like 40% higher than it is now
[04:29] <tritium> I see.
[04:30] <__Penny> Hey, I have a question... if someone has a minute...   if I use the synaptic package manager to install a CMS like Plone (and thus zope) where does it put it?
[04:31] <robertj> Penny: dpkg -L package-name
[04:32] <tritium> __Penny, also, synaptic lists files in a package, if you prefer
[04:32] <__Penny> awesome
[04:32] <robertj> but I also have the blessing of "supervising" a guy who has been working at this university for 8 years and has a masters degree and isn't a moron
[04:34] <__Penny> ok... i'm really inexperienced.  is there something else I should do? I was expecting things to show up in my www dir
[04:36] <robertj> no
[04:36] <robertj> just dpkg -L packagename
[04:36] <robertj> and it will show you all the files in the pacakge
[04:36] <robertj> ie. apt-get install foo then dpkg -L foo
[04:36] <__Penny> right... i did that.
[04:37] <robertj> Penny: check that package for /etc/apache entries
[04:37] <__Penny> i guess i'm just confused... plone documentation isn't very clear to me... like how to install it
[04:37] <__Penny> ok i'll check
[04:37] <robertj> and also the /usr/share/doc/packagename/README.debian
[04:38] <robertj> because sometimes there is a bit of installing/configing left to do on your part but since part is already done for you you should rely on a README.debian if it is present instead of the upstream documents
[04:39] <__Penny> alright.
[04:39] <__Penny> i'll check that out too
[04:49] <wasabi_> I'm having trouble booting with Hoary off my raid controller.
[04:49] <wasabi_> pivot_root: No such file or directory.
[04:49] <rellik> I'm trying to downgrade my kernel from 2.6.8 to 2.6.7 but when I boot 2.6.7 x fails with "Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!"...  I've tried booting into 2.6.7 and 'apt-get remove nvidia-glx; apt-get install nvidia-glx' but that didn't fix it..  also, I looked for a linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.7 but apt-cache doesn't list any...  any other ideas come to mind as to how to fix x ?
[04:49] <wasabi_> I assume it's because the drivers are loading in the wrong order or something.
[04:56] <goldfish> HAs anyone else had problems booting ubuntu into gui version ?
[04:56] <penguinitus> no...what problem are you having?
[04:57] <goldfish> well, em... it just wont start up, everything passes ok, then it starts GNOME, then I get the ubuntu cream screen thingy, and it freezes
[04:57] <goldfish> I am completely new to linux and I have no real idea what to do.
[04:58] <penguinitus> before you enter uname and pass and click login?
[04:58] <goldfish> yeah
[04:59] <goldfish> the screen goes cream, and that's it
[04:59] <penguinitus> what type of system? laptop? desktop? video card?
[04:59] <Crane> Hello
[04:59] <Crane> :)
[04:59] <goldfish> Dell Inspiron 8600 laptop, nVidia GeForce Ge5550 128mb
[04:59] <goldfish> *Go
[05:00] <penguinitus> that's what I figured
[05:00] <goldfish> ?
[05:00] <goldfish> Have heard of other with the same problem?
[05:00] <penguinitus> I really can't help, don't use an nVidia - but probably somebody else here does
[05:00] <goldfish> No problem, thanks.
[05:01] <penguinitus> but I can tell you your problem is either the nvidia driver module or...
[05:01] <penguinitus> acpi giving you fits
[05:01] <penguinitus> do you know how to change kernel options at boot?
[05:01] <goldfish> afraid not :/
[05:01] <goldfish> i am logged in now
[05:01] <farruinn> anyone know why Apple Airport card isn't listed on the HardwareSupport page?
[05:01] <penguinitus> that's ok...not as hard as you think
[05:01] <goldfish> i opened a terminal
[05:02] <penguinitus> using grub or lilo?
[05:02] <GuestCL> Oh, I just came here to ask a question about my desktop system (with nvidia card) thrashing the monitor just after the ubuntu screen when trying to boot the live cd.
[05:02] <FLeiXiuS> penguinitus: which run level?
[05:02] <superkitty> anyone have experience with Beatrix?
[05:02] <nevyn> farruinn: airport or airport extreme?
[05:02] <goldfish> penguinitus: grub
[05:02] <rellik> I need linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.7 but apt only lists ones for 2.6.8...  where can I get the older ones?
[05:02] <farruinn> nevyn, airport, not extreme
[05:02] <GuestCL> Ubuntu does not like nVidia?
[05:02] <FLeiXiuS> GuestCL: ubuntu is simple with nvidia
[05:02] <farruinn> but really both should be listed, airport for supported and extremem for not, correct?
[05:02] <nevyn> GuestCL: linux no like nvidia
[05:02] <FLeiXiuS> GuestCL: apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:02] <penguinitus> goldfish: ok...reboot and when grub pops up highlight the your choice...
[05:02] <FLeiXiuS> GuestCL: then, nvidia-glx enable
[05:03] <FLeiXiuS> GuestCL: As sudo for the both of them
[05:03] <GuestCL> Er, from the live CD?
[05:03] <penguinitus> goldfish: then hit the letter "e" to edit command
[05:03] <penguinitus> goldfish: another menu will pop up, hit "e" again to edit that line...
[05:04] <farruinn> I'm thinkin my trouble may not be with the airport card but the wireless network here
[05:04] <Crane> GuestCL, what problems with nvidia are you having
[05:04] <penguinitus> goldfish: go to the end of the line and add "noapci"...
[05:04] <Crane> My ibuntu works great with nvidia
[05:04] <LinuxJones> night all
[05:04] <Crane> night
[05:05] <GuestCL> I can't even get to a command prompt.  I get GRUB, then the ubuntu bootup screen, then loud deadly monitor thrashing.  No time to download packages or install.  Have tried failsafe mode, have tried setting the resolution lower.  No help.
[05:05] <penguinitus> goldfish: if that doesn't work, repeat but instead of "noacpi"...hold on a sec.
[05:05] <FLeiXiuS> GuestCL: not sure
[05:05] <FLeiXiuS> GuestCL: try 'sudo nvidia-glx enable' then restart x
[05:05] <GuestCL> This is from the live cd.  It is not installed anywhere
[05:05] <Crane> once it boots can use >ctrl>alt>f1
[05:06] <GuestCL> I type that into the boot options line in GRUB?
[05:06] <Crane> and get console?
[05:06] <GuestCL> Oh, I could try that
[05:06] <Crane> No wait till it quits trying to boot
[05:06] <Crane> what nvidia card do you use?
[05:07] <penguinitus> goldfish: ok...try rebooting and disabling these services one at a time until you disable the one that is causing the problem...
[05:07] <GuestCL> FX5200 AGP.
[05:07] <Crane> same card I have
[05:07] <GuestCL> It seems to happen at the same time the little musical tones come on
[05:07] <penguinitus> goldfish: nofire, nodetect, nousb, nohotplug, noapic
[05:07] <penguinitus> goldfish: then you should be able to at least boot and do some more investigation
[05:08] <goldfish> Ok, thanks.
[05:08] <GuestCL> Okay, ctrl-alt-f1, enable nvidia glx, then what?
[05:08] <penguinitus> goldfish: and that change is only temporary, next time you repboot the kernel options you added will be gone
[05:08] <Crane> sdid you install the driver yet?
[05:08] <goldfish> righteo
[05:09] <FLeiXiuS> GuestCL: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:09] <wasabi> Anybody use LVM? I'm trying to figure out how to use it. =/
[05:09] <GuestCL> No, I am using the live CD, nothing gets installed anywhere.  I want to get all the instructions before I try to boot the cd again
[05:09] <Crane> GuestCL, Did you already sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:09] <kakalto> is cedega supplied in apt-get?
[05:10] <kakalto> even if through a backport from hoary
[05:10] <kakalto> ?
[05:10] <Crane> do that first then the enable nvidia-glx command
[05:10] <Crane> then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:11] <thechitow> I have a laptop and I want to get my wireless working, it is based on the Centrino Chipset, what would be the steps I should take to get this to work?... Ubuntu detects it and knows its there but I have no clue of how to get wireless to work.  I have a light normally on the front that indicates if it is on, but it isn't =/
[05:11] <GuestCL> Okay, I have it all written down.  Will reboot to try it and then let you know
[05:11] <GuestCL> Thanks for the help
[05:11] <Crane> Be sure to let us know
[05:11] <GuestCL> k
[05:11] <farruinn> Anyone have an airport card working with a router? I'm trying to follow WiFiHowto but my results don't match the wiki.
[05:12] <FLeiXiuS> farruinn: airports..eh..those can be tricky
[05:12] <Xirdneh> anybody know where are the curses headers??
[05:12] <thechitow> where is the wifi howto?
[05:12] <FLeiXiuS> farruinn: try install the ndiswrapper module
[05:13] <farruinn> for one wlan0 is not listed at all anywhere. It appears eth1 is the airport card, but that means certain iwconfig commands don't work with it
[05:13] <FLeiXiuS> thechitow: www.wiki.ubuntulinux.org i believe
[05:13] <farruinn> thechitow, ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[05:13] <FLeiXiuS> farruinn: Yeah, that'll do the trick also :-)
[05:13] <farruinn> all wiki pages are ubuntulinux.org/wiki/*
[05:13] <farruinn> afaik
[05:14] <thechitow> thanks
[05:14] <thechitow> Does linux work with Centrino?
[05:14] <farruinn> see the HardwareSupport wiki page ;-)
[05:14] <FLeiXiuS> thechitow: any architechure
[05:14] <farruinn> should work though
[05:15] <kakalto> anyone know how I can get cedega working on ubuntu?
[05:15] <link> hay yall
[05:15] <link> how do we stop that grafical login
[05:16] <link> and where are the kernal sources located
[05:16] <link> im trying to install the nvidia drivers and cant find my kernal sources
[05:16] <wasabi> How do I enable LVM? I created a lVM volume group during the install.
[05:17] <link> does ubuntu put them in by default? it should right?
[05:17] <Crane> link,  you don't need all that for nvidia drivers
[05:17] <Crane> just use apt
[05:17] <link> yeah?
[05:17] <kakalto> anyone know?
[05:17] <link> which nvidia set does apt have on there
[05:18] <Crane> kakalto, have you looked at the howtos? I thought there was one for this
[05:18] <link> cuz isnt that the one that is already put up on my system by default
[05:18] <link> there are more then one set
[05:18] <Crane> link, that I do not know
[05:18] <goldfish> penguinitus: Should those modes be in quotes?
[05:18] <link> one is called nv in the x config file
[05:18] <link> the other is called nvidia
[05:18] <Crane> I think default is th nv driver
[05:19] <penguinitus> goldfish: no quotes
[05:19] <link> yeah that one sucks
[05:19] <goldfish> penguinitus: okies
[05:19] <goldfish> thanks
[05:19] <Crane> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:19] <Crane> hold on theres more let me find it
[05:20] <link> yeah? thats the "nvidia" not the nv
[05:20] <link> right?
[05:21] <thechitow> I'm confused, my card doesn't show up in the network settings window, but I can add the connection through the wizard, but it seems as if it can't connect, what would i do then?
[05:21] <Crane> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:21] <Crane> 2. sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:21] <Crane> yes thats nvidia not nv
[05:21] <link> yer the man
[05:22] <link> where pray tell are the kernal sources any ways?
[05:22] <Crane> link,  you can also install nvidia settings control
[05:22] <Crane> hold on I'll try to find it
[05:22] <link> whats that do my friend
[05:22] <Crane> I think you can apt that too
[05:23] <link> oh ic
[05:23] <Crane> apt-get kernel-sources maybe
[05:23] <mebaran151> does anyone know when they are going to fix Evolution for AMD64
[05:23] <mebaran151> It really was quite useful
[05:23] <mebaran151> emphasis on was
[05:23] <neom> Is ubuntu vunrable to the Kernel 2.6.8 exploit
[05:23] <link> yeah that might be nice if i have to tweak something
[05:23] <thechitow> =(
[05:23] <hams> is there a true transparent terminal?
[05:23] <penguinitus> no
[05:24] <Lathiat> hams: you can enable composite and use transset to do that, bare in mind its a bit buggy, slow, and opengl wont work with composite on.
[05:24] <Crane> link,
[05:24] <thechitow> how can i find out my root password
[05:24] <Crane> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:24] <Crane> $ sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[05:24] <Crane> $ sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:24] <Crane> $ nautilus applications:///System
[05:24] <thechitow> i was never asked to type one in
[05:24] <farruinn> thechitow, you didn't read everything during base-config then
[05:24] <Crane> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[05:24] <farruinn> use sudo
[05:24] <Crane> look there
[05:24] <HrdwrBoB> thechitow: there is no root password
[05:24] <Lathiat> thechitow: there isnt one, you use 'sudo su' to get root
[05:24] <brc__> thechitow, the root account is disabled
[05:24] <HrdwrBoB> Lathiat: that's redundant
[05:24] <HrdwrBoB> Lathiat: sudo 'command'
[05:24] <brc__> thechitow, it's best to just use sudo for anything you need to do as root
[05:24] <HrdwrBoB> or sudo -s for shell
[05:24] <farruinn> sudo -s -H is fine
[05:25] <thechitow> oh ok
[05:25] <brc__> or sudo su
[05:25] <thechitow> I am a debian noob
[05:25] <FAST> or suusuuu suuuudio
[05:25] <farruinn> see the RootSudo wiki for details
[05:25] <thechitow> Can comeone please assist me with my wireless?
[05:25] <HrdwrBoB> thechitow: debian doesn't do this, only ubuntu
[05:25] <brc__> thechitow, what about your wireless?...
[05:25] <Crane> thechitow, Sorry try sudo ifconfig down
[05:26] <thechitow> yes...
[05:26] <Crane> then sudo ifconfig up
[05:26] <GuestCL> Crane: I have feedback on the nvidia problem with the live cd
[05:26] <Crane> yes
[05:26] <thechitow> device not found
[05:26] <Crane> GuestCL, yes
[05:26] <GuestCL> Okay, ctrl-alt-f1 stopped the thrashing and brought back the ubuntu screen
[05:27] <GuestCL> Escape from there brought up the boot messages
[05:27] <penguinitus> alrighty...night all
[05:27] <GuestCL> Tried to type in the stuff you suggested there, ut got no response
[05:27] <thechitow> =(
[05:27] <GuestCL> Some interesting looking error messages there i wrote down
[05:27] <GuestCL> Tried ctrl-alt-f2 and got a bash prompt
[05:28] <farruinn> thechitow, what connections are listed when you run 'ifconfig'?
[05:28] <GuestCL> Tried sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:28] <Crane> thechitow, sorry I'm not real familar with networksettings
[05:28] <GuestCL> Got not found, try running apt-get update
[05:28] <Crane> Sounds like it is still not configing you card right
[05:28] <thechitow> well, i think when following the wiki guide i stopped my eth0(wireless)
[05:28] <GuestCL> tried apt-get update, got http died unexpectedly
[05:28] <thechitow> now it only shows lo
[05:29] <farruinn> you need to add wlan0 or whatever first
[05:29] <farruinn> as per the wifihowto
[05:29] <thechitow> right...
[05:29] <thechitow> um... sudo ifup wlan0?
[05:29] <link> Crane, thanks alot.
[05:30] <link> yer so freekin helpful
[05:30] <farruinn> youcan try that, but since wlan0 isn't configured I don't think it will do anything
[05:30] <thechitow> i know, it doesn
[05:30] <hams> how do i get pgup/pgdn to scroll back a gnome-terminal>?
[05:30] <thechitow> t
[05:31] <link> and you too HrdwrBoB! thanks fer yer help earlier!
[05:31] <link> this is the coolest software ever! It has the best philosophy! =oP
[05:32] <link> you hold shift i think
[05:32] <link> hams
[05:32] <Crane> thechitow, sorry ifconfig eth0 down then ifconfig eth0 up
[05:32] <neom> Is the Ubuntu planet a select few, or can anyone feed?
[05:32] <Crane> link: did it work for ya
[05:32] <Crane> GuestCL, what errors did you get from X server and is this just a live cd? is it not installed on hard drive?
[05:32] <hams> link, thanks.
[05:33] <bitfoo> damn it, my team lost :|
[05:33] <GuestCL> It is just a live CD, not installed anywhere
[05:33] <GuestCL> VESA: failed to set up write-combining range
[05:33] <Crane> OH I have never tried to install using live CD
[05:33] <GuestCL> gnmoe_message: gnmoe_execute_asynch_with_enu_fds: returning -1
[05:34] <Crane> you could possible post you question at the forums
[05:34] <farruinn> GuestCL, are you trying to install w/ livecd?
[05:34] <link> dunno i gotta restart x
[05:34] <thechitow> I'm confused
[05:34] <GuestCL> Oh, I'm not trying to install it, I just want to boot the live cd to see what ubuntu is like
[05:34] <farruinn> ah, ok
[05:34] <Crane> farruinn, he's trying to install nvidia drivers  using live cd
[05:34] <link> but how do i do that without restarting my computer
[05:34] <thechitow> it keeps talking about wlan0, but I don't have that... so where would i begin
[05:35] <Crane> is it the warty or hoary live CD
[05:35] <GuestCL> warty, I just downloaded and burned it
[05:35] <Crane> neom, anyone
[05:35] <neom> How do I get added?
[05:35] <GuestCL> And I'm not installing, just booting the live cd
[05:35] <farruinn> thechitow, did you add a connection in Network Settings?
[05:36] <thechitow> i tried
[05:36] <farruinn> :/
[05:36] <thechitow> ?
[05:36] <GuestCL> Is the live cd supposed to actually boot up to a desktop you can use?
[05:36] <Crane> yes
[05:36] <thechitow> i dont like :/
[05:36] <farruinn> well, it's not working for me either.  When I create a new connection it is eth1 not wlan0
[05:36] <thechitow> me too
[05:36] <thechitow> do you have centrino?
[05:37] <GuestCL> Should I get the other one?
[05:37] <farruinn> ibook+airport
[05:37] <hams> is there a better version of firefox that 0.9.3 that is in warty?
[05:37] <thechitow> oh god
[05:37] <thechitow> Any advice for us?
[05:37] <goldfish> hams: 1.0
[05:37] <goldfish> i think
[05:37] <Crane> GuestCL, You may want to try another download. The warty live CD worked great for me
[05:38] <hams> can i install that in warty with apt-get?
[05:38] <rellik> is there some file that runs when you log into gnome?  I wanna have stuff like gaim and email run at login
[05:38] <Crane> hams, yes if you enable backports
[05:38] <GuestCL> Okay.  I'll try it on another computer, and if that fails too I'll re-download.  Thanks for your help
[05:38] <Crane> SUre thing Good Luck GuestCL
[05:39] <bitfoo> this is off ubuntu topic but i just wanted to share, when i get a new email a wav plays that says "You've got mail m***** f*****"
[05:39] <bitfoo> i think its awesome :|
[05:39] <goldfish> bitfoo: lol
[05:40] <thechitow> farriunn: try removing it from network connectings, then doing the Wiki
[05:40] <jesus> i need help on the instalation of a emac g3
[05:40] <thechitow> im getting somewhere
[05:40] <thechitow> except where it says wlan0 do eth1
[05:40] <hams> rellik, in gnome under Compture->Desktop Prefs->Sessions you can specify startup items
[05:41] <wm_eddie> jesus: I did one yeasterday
[05:43] <thechitow> I need help
[05:43] <Crane> thechitow, still no luck
[05:45] <farruinn> anyone here currently using an aiport card? (802.11b)
[05:45] <thechitow> Yep
[05:45] <thechitow> I see intel has some centrino linux wireless drivers, would those do any good?
[05:46] <Guy-Montag> can anyone give me a hand with a crontab problem?
[05:46] <farruinn> thechitow, did you check to see if your card is in the HardwareSupport wiki page?
[05:46] <thechitow> no
[05:46] <jesus> i need help on instalation on a ppc
[05:46] <cwa2> what's the gdm package called? apt-get upgrade ???
[05:47] <farruinn> jesus, what's specifically is the problem?
[05:48] <blackmamba> 06:45 -!- cwa2 [~cwa2@HSE-MTL-ppp70919.qc.sympatico.ca]  has joined #ubuntu
[05:48] <blackmamba> 06:45 < farruinn> thechitow, did you check to see if your card is in the
[05:48] <blackmamba>                   HardwareSupport wiki page?
[05:48] <blackmamba> 06:46 < thechitow> no
[05:48] <blackmamba> 06:46 < jesus> i need help on instalation on a ppc
[05:48] <blackmamba> 06:46 < cwa2> what's the gdm package called? apt-get upgrade ???
[05:48] <hams> are there any ubuntu gnome themes out there?
[05:48] <blackmamba> 06:47 < farruinn> jesus, what's specifically is the problem?
[05:48] <blackmamba> sorry- mouse prob there
[05:48] <blackmamba> hams: I've got one
[05:48] <Locutus1976> I just install ssh server on my ubuntu box. Which port does it user? 22?
[05:48] <jesus> its starts fine the installing process but when i get to the dhcp i cant pass it
[05:48] <thechitow> yes,l it is on the list
[05:48] <hams> blackmamba, where can i get it?
[05:48] <blackmamba> hmmm.. I'll upload it quickly and post a link
[05:49] <farruinn> blackmamba, I did check, however airport isn't listed but people have reported it working
[05:49] <farruinn> hams: art.gnome.org I believe
[05:50] <blackmamba> hams: edison.tsf.org.za/~jonathan/bluebuntu.tar
[05:50] <cwa2> I'm getting the mkdrtemp: private socket dir: Permission denied error
[05:51] <jdub> hams: see www.gnome-look.org, lots of stuff there
[05:52] <jesus> well farruinn , i dont have an internet conection nor a lan in my house, and it tries to set up a dhcp conection
[05:52] <hams> blackmamba, what was the theme called?
[05:52] <farruinn> jesus, well if you don't have any internet connection you can just let that fail
[05:53] <farruinn> jdub: do you know why there is a lack of info regarding Airport on the Ubuntu site?
[05:53] <hams> blackmamba, i tried using the "install theme" in gnome. would that work?
[05:54] <jesus> yeah fisrt time i did, but then a menu appeared and asked for the next step on the installation, i think it was installing yabot
[05:54] <blackmamba> hmmm.. no
[05:54] <blackmamba> you have to extract that to /usr/share/gdm/themes
[05:55] <jdub> farruinn: airport?
[05:55] <jesus> but then nothing happend
[05:55] <kakalto> is cedega "free"?
[05:55] <HrdwrBoB> no
[05:55] <HrdwrBoB> it is not
[05:55] <kakalto> not in either way?
[05:55] <farruinn> jesus, everything simply stopped?
[05:55] <farruinn> jdub, apple wireless card, 802.11b
[05:56] <jdub> farruinn: probably because it just works :)
[05:56] <farruinn> ok, I was afraid of that ;)
[05:56] <thechitow> I have a Intel 2200 , it says it works instantly on the hardware support page, didn't for me
[05:56] <jesus> i hitted <enter> then the menu dissapeared and just like 4 ,5 seconds letar the menu showed up again
[05:56] <Lathiat> thechitow: i have a 2200, works fine.
[05:56] <Lathiat> thechitow: does iwconfig show it?
[05:56] <thechitow> it shows it as eth1
[05:57] <thechitow> oh shit
[05:57] <thechitow> IT IS ON!
[05:57] <thechitow> ya
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> kakalto: there is a CVS version available that is free
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> as in beer
[05:57] <thechitow> i think
[05:57] <thechitow> dangit
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> and allegedly as in speech
[05:57] <Lathiat> thechitow: just go to desktop -> administration -> networking and set it up (places -> administration on warty i think)
[05:57] <thechitow> the wireless strength meter shows it is on and 100%
[05:57] <thechitow> but i can't get on
[05:57] <kakalto> HrdwrBoB, yeah, thanks
[05:57] <kakalto> just found a howto...
[05:58] <thechitow> HALLELUJAH!
[05:58] <kakalto> but, some of the packages it says it requires don't show up in synaptic
[05:58] <thechitow> sweet
[05:58] <thechitow> i pressed the button on the front on my laptop
[05:58] <thechitow> that shuts it on and off
[05:58] <thechitow> it usually lights up in windows
[05:58] <thechitow> but now it works
[05:58] <hams> blackmamba, ok i did that, but it doesn't show up under the gnome theme menu?
[05:59] <Soap_On_A_Roap> anything I can get to run .WMV files?
[05:59] <kakalto> w32codecs
[05:59] <thechitow> sweet
[05:59] <Soap_On_A_Roap> where do I get
[05:59] <blackmamba> hams: did you extract it?
[05:59] <thechitow> ubuntu pwns
[05:59] <thechitow> thanks for the help guys
[06:00] <hams> blackmamba, yes
[06:00] <kakalto> Soap_On_A_Roap, as far as I know, in synaptic
[06:00] <kakalto> yeah
[06:00] <kakalto> it's there
[06:00] <johnnyboy> hey, does anybody know how to stop the X-Windows Server?
[06:00] <blackmamba> does ls /usr/share/gdm/themes show the bLubuntu directory?
[06:00] <Guardiann> good evening fellows
[06:00] <kakalto> Soap_On_A_Roap, go to http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[06:00] <hams> blackmamba, yes
[06:02] <dud> johnnyboy, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[06:02] <hams> i use theme under Computer->Desktop Prefrences?
[06:02] <cwa2> had to change my /tmp permissions to 777
[06:02] <johnnyboy> ok, dud, thanks
[06:02] <dud> np
[06:02] <blackmamba> you might have to exit that and go back in again, it's weird that it's not showing
[06:05] <rellik> I'm trying to set up cron to play a video at a certain time, using 'mplayer -display :0.0 <file>'.  the command works when I just type it in, but from cron it fails, saying "Must be connected to a terminal"...  how do I make cron happy?
[06:05] <Dreamer3> rellik: hmmmmmm, that's a really good question
[06:05] <Dreamer3> rellik: is it running as root?
[06:06] <rellik> Dreamer3 nope, regular user (same user logged into x)
[06:06] <Dreamer3> rellik: hmmm
[06:07] <Soap_On_A_Roap> ty
[06:07] <Dreamer3> rellik: have you tried redirecting the output?
[06:07] <Dreamer3> rellik: 2>&1 > /dev/null
[06:07] <hikaru79> I'm having problems running Ruby scripts after uncommenting the '#AddHandler cgi-script .cgi' line in apache2.conf , any ideas?
[06:07] <Dreamer3> or something?
[06:07] <Dreamer3> i really don't know though
[06:07] <rellik> Dreamer3 redirecting output from what?
[06:08] <blackmamba> g Ruby scripts after uncommenting
[06:08] <blackmamba>                   the '#AddHandler cgi-script .cgi' line in apache2.conf , any
[06:08] <blackmamba>                   ideas?
[06:08] <blackmamba> 07:06 < Dreamer3> or something?
[06:08] <blackmamba> 07:06 -!- MrNaughty [MrNaughty@d199-126-25-30.abhsia.telus.net]  has quit
[06:08] <blackmamba>           ["\(^_^)/' No Soliciting!!! Unless you have legs way, way up and
[06:08] <Dreamer3> rellik: from mplayer, like i just typed
[06:08] <blackmamba>           really, really big tits...."] 
[06:08] <blackmamba> 07:07 < Dreamer3> i really don't know though
[06:12] <blackmamba> 07:07 < rellik> Dreamer3 redirecting og Ruby scripts after uncommenting
[06:12] <blackmamba>                   the '#AddHandler cgi-script .cgi' line in apache2.conf , any
[06:12] <blackmamba>                   ideas?
[06:12] <blackmamba> 07:06 < Dreamer3> or something?
[06:12] <blackmamba> 07:06 -!- MrNaughty [MrNaughty@d199-126-25-30.abhsia.telus.net]  has quit
[06:12] <Dreamer3> blackmamba: huh?
[06:12] <blackmamba>           ["\(^_^)/' No Soliciting!!! Unless you have legs way, way up and
[06:12] <blackmamba>           really, really big tits...."] 
[06:12] <blackmamba> 07:07 < Dreamer3> i really don't know though
[06:12] <dud> touchpad has to be one of the worst inventions ever heh
[06:12] <Crane> yep
[06:12] <Dreamer3> i like ibm's joypad :)
[06:12] <kakalto> can anyone help me with installing the CVS Cedega?
[06:12] <kakalto> I get an error
[06:12] <kakalto> and I'm not sure exactly why
[06:12] <budfox> how can I get my gnome pager back?
[06:12] <paravoid> hm and i wondered what i was doing wrong with X :>
[06:13] <paravoid> is there any workaround?
[06:14] <rempresent> hey hey hey
[06:14] <kakalto> hey hey hey hey.
[06:15] <rempresent> where is the wastebasket located, if i was running the cd command in the terminal
[06:15] <rempresent> ?
[06:15] <Crane> H E L L O
[06:15] <Crane> cd .Trash
[06:15] <rempresent> thanks
[06:15] <Crane> if your in your home directory
[06:16] <cg0def> hi, can someone tell me what was the address of the ubuntu repository
[06:17] <cg0def> I am not at my ubuntu computer so I can't check it
[06:17] <kakalto> a few moments...
[06:17] <Crane> cg0def, which repo are you talking about?
[06:17] <kakalto> www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:17] <cg0def> kakalto: thanks
[06:18] <kakalto> assuming you're not looking for backport repositorie or any other special one
[06:19] <cg0def> kakalto: well actually I was looking for the hoary ones
[06:19] <kakalto> cg0def, then that link likely won't tell you, sorru
[06:19] <kakalto> *sorry
[06:19] <cg0def> I was trying to install xorg on debian for a friend and I know that the ubuntu pkg works
[06:20] <jdub> cg0def: archive.ubuntu.com
[06:20] <cg0def> jdub: thanks
[06:21] <keyvan> if i have a .deb file, how do i install that?
[06:21] <kakalto> man dpkg
[06:21] <keyvan> thx
[06:21] <kakalto> s' alright
[06:26] <link> eh... Crane
[06:26] <Crane> yes
[06:26] <link> you told me to type in a nautulus command
[06:26] <Crane> yes
[06:27] <Crane> from the link
[06:27] <link> but i didnt do it cuz i didnt know what it was
[06:27] <link> and now i think i got problems
[06:27] <kakalto> nautilus is the file browser
[06:27] <link> but what was it
[06:27] <link> oh...
[06:27] <link> what was that command for
[06:28] <Crane> look in >applications  >system tools on the menu
[06:28] <Crane> do you see nvidia setting?
[06:28] <link> nope
[06:28] <Crane> I think that is waht it installs
[06:29] <link> ahhh that would have been nice
[06:29] <link> ic
[06:29] <link> well thats not whats causin me problems then
[06:29] <Crane> still having problems
[06:29] <Crane> with nvidia
[06:30] <link> whoa!!! they just went away!
[06:30] <link> i tried again to get the error and
[06:30] <link> geez
[06:30] <link> it just worked
[06:30] <link> mmmmm
[06:30] <link> this is not good
[06:31] <Crane> what went away?
[06:31] <link> my problems
[06:31] <link> i mean thats good
[06:31] <Crane> lol why is that not good
[06:31] <Crane> oh
[06:31] <link> but
[06:31] <link> things shouldnt change by them selves
[06:31] <link> thats why i left windows
[06:31] <Crane> lol
[06:31] <link> ok
[06:32] <Crane> what kind of problem was it
[06:32] <link> cool every thing works great excelent
[06:32] <dud> nvidia-settings likes to seg fault on my amd64
[06:32] <link> i was trying to play an old game that i used to play a lot
[06:32] <link> quake
[06:33] <link> and you know, getting games to work is kinda how i learned what i know to day
[06:33] <dud> dud@shadowplay:~ $ nvidia-settings
[06:33] <dud> Segmentation fault
[06:33] <link> like back on my 386 and stuff
[06:33] <link> editing the autoexec.bat and config sys
[06:33] <link> you know what i mean
[06:33] <dud> yeah, back in the dos days
[06:34] <link> getting games to work, learning the system
[06:34] <link> its all the same thing
[06:34] <dud> some of my earliest cracking like jobs, were trying to hack larry 1 :D
[06:34] <link> yeah you hear me dud, you know what im talkin bout
[06:34] <Crane> yep thats what got me envolved in linux in the first place
[06:34] <Crane> setting up a q3 server
[06:35] <link> ahh groovy yeah  i hear they make hella good servers huh
[06:35] <link> linux boxes
[06:35] <Crane> yep
[06:35] <Crane> And great clients as well
[06:35] <link> well my next task is to host a very small webpage off my dsl line
[06:35] <link> or try to anyway
[06:36] <Crane>  using apache
[06:36] <Crane> ?
[06:36] <link> how do you regester a domain with out paying anyone
[06:36] <Crane> on ubuntu?
[06:36] <link> i dunno what is apache =oP
[06:36] <Crane> heh don't know, I pay for mine
[06:36] <link> yeah i was hoping to use ubuntu
[06:37] <Crane> I have a hosting company for mine
[06:37] <link> but other distros seem to come with a lot of that stuff
[06:37] <link> well i was hoping i could do it all on my own you know
[06:37] <Crane> what stuff
[06:37] <Crane> yea its not hard
[06:37] <link> server stuff
[06:38] <Crane> I did for a while but I have a cable modem and my IP didn't change
[06:38] <link> but yeah this is all new to me, the idea any way
[06:38] <link> yeah thats gunna be a problem for me.
[06:38] <Crane> ubuntu should have all the server stuff you need
[06:38] <link> really
[06:38] <link> cool
[06:38] <link> you dont think ill have to dl much
[06:39] <Crane> yea You probably need to use synaptic or apt to get it installed
[06:39] <Crane> depends on what you wanna do
[06:39] <link> ok that shouldnt be too bad
[06:39] <Maragato> Hail folks, what program can I use to open chm files?
[06:39] <link> how do you regester a domain once you have a static ip?
[06:39] <Crane> should be able to sudo apt-get install apache
[06:40] <link> its a program? apache
[06:40] <Crane> yes a web server
[06:40] <link> oh ill prolly need to do a lot of reading =o)
[06:40] <Zotnix> Hrm, Ubuntu has been generating lots of splashes. Listened to an interview of one of the developers. It's going places :D
[06:41] <Dreamer3> Zotnix: yeah, if only i could get my cd
[06:41] <Crane> there were some site you can register that monitor your IP and so your domain name will always  be set right
[06:41] <jdub> Zotnix: lugradio? listen to the one with mark the week before mine
[06:41] <Crane> yep linux=reading
[06:41] <Crane> lol
[06:41] <link> oh yeah i think i heard something like that
[06:42] <link> heheh fer sure
[06:42] <Zotnix> Yep
[06:42] <Crane> I believ it was tzo or something like that that monito IP changes for you
[06:42] <Zotnix> I listened to Jeff Waugh
[06:42] <link> it cost money you think?
[06:42] <link> tzo ill look
[06:42] <Crane> http://www.tzo.com/
[06:43] <jdub> Zotnix: listen to the one the week before
[06:43] <Crane> http://www.tzo.com/MainPageSupport/HowToPage/SOLUTIONS-PRIVATEDOMAIN.HTML
[06:43] <Zotnix> I heard that one too
[06:43] <jdub> ahr
[06:43] <jdub> Zotnix: so you came here because of those interviews?
[06:44] <Zotnix> Nope
[06:44] <mebaran> yo
[06:44] <jdub> oh
[06:44] <Zotnix> I've been using Ubuntu since November or so.
[06:44] <jdub> oh
[06:44] <Zotnix> I love it.
[06:44] <mebaran> I have always wondered why software always talks in first person
[06:44] <Zotnix> Best distro I've used thus far.
[06:44] <mebaran> it seems less than proffesional
[06:44] <mebaran> Zotnix: did you ever try the original debian
[06:46] <Zotnix> Yeah, I have.,
[06:46] <jdub> Zotnix: did you like the interviews?
[06:46] <Zotnix> For a bit, quite awhile back.
[06:46] <Zotnix> Sid
[06:46] <Zotnix> jdub, yep. It was interesting to hear them.
[06:46] <link> it sounds promising dont see anything bout pricing yet but yeah exactly that
[06:47] <Crane> http://www.dyndns.org/
[06:47] <Crane> this place will do it as well
[06:47] <Crane> I don't have much experience with this though
[06:47] <Crane> like I said, I just pay some one to host mine
[06:47] <Crane> I started using ubuntu about 1 1/2 months ago
[06:47] <Crane> Very nice
[06:47] <Crane> I love the people involved with it as well
[06:47] <Crane> only bit of advice I can think of is to remember thast all ports are closed on Ubuntu so you may have to open port 80 to run the web server
[06:47] <Crane> I believe there is some info on the forums about it
[06:48] <jdub> you just have to install a web server
[06:48] <jdub> none of the ports are closed, there's just nothing listening by default
[06:48] <Crane> jdub, oh OK thanks
[06:48] <link> ok nice
[06:48] <Crane> Does the install set up a public_html file in your home directory?
[06:49] <link> dont think so
[06:49] <mebaran> probably
[06:50] <mebaran> I wonder when they are going to fix Evolution for 64 bits
[06:50] <jdub> Dreamer3: it won't work usefully, but you can copy the images around
[06:50] <mebaran> I am getting antsy
[06:50] <Zotnix> I preferred the interview with Jeff Waugh anyhow. Prefer developer's view points in anycase.
[06:50] <jdub> 'them', 'fix'?
[06:50] <Dreamer3> mebaran: it's broken?
[06:50] <jdub> Zotnix: (i probably didn't make it clear - that's me)
[06:51] <mebaran> Dreamer3:Yep
[06:51] <mebaran> it is
[06:51] <mebaran> it wont start
[06:51] <mebaran> it keeps going "Floating point exception"
[06:51] <Crane> lol@Dreamer3
[06:51] <Crane> Good luck link, I'm off to bed. see you peeps here and on the forums as well
[06:51] <Zotnix> jdub, Ah.. hehe. Wouldn't expect you here. :-p.
[06:51] <Crane> Night all
[06:51] <jdub> Zotnix: why so? :)
[06:51] <link> g nite
[06:51] <mebaran> I really love evolution as it does everything so well for me
[06:51] <Zotnix> Haha! I was just reading an article from ./ and it just mentioned you.
[06:51] <link> this is gunna be fun
[06:51] <Zotnix> I would have caught o.
[06:51] <Zotnix> on*
[06:51] <jdub> erk
[06:52] <jdub> which?
[06:52] <randabis>  /.
[06:52] <randabis> :)
[06:52] <Zotnix> "Why Is The Ubuntu Hoary Beta Release A Milestone?"
[06:52] <Zotnix> Guy from geekybhodi.net
[06:53] <Zotnix> Oops
[06:53] <Zotnix> I did ./... :feels suddenly stupid:
[06:53] <mebaran> ./
[06:53] <mebaran> yes
[06:53] <mebaran> the other /.
[06:53] <Zotnix> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/02/1924240&tid=190&tid=90&tid=106
[06:53] <Zotnix> Article link there via slashdot
[06:54] <Zotnix> I was just moving files to ./   So the mistake is warranted this once :)
[06:55] <Orcrist> I just followed the instructions to make a pretty bootsplash screen, and all I get on boot is a message that says rivafb_pan_display start/end in an infinite loop
[06:55] <Orcrist> anyone else seen/had this same problem?
[06:55] <Orcrist> I'm running a riva TNT on a very old P2 system... I followed the instructions explicitly and changed only what the site told me to change
[06:56] <Orcrist> I'm 100% positive I compiled both frame buffer support and rivaTNT support into the new kernel, but nothing
[06:57] <Dreamer3_> interesting
[06:57] <whiprush> heh, man /. is really hitting the bottom of the barrel lately.
[06:57] <Orcrist> google only turns up one page with any relevant info, and it's bug tracking site for debian, with a followup that 'it's been fixed' from debian... but apparently it hasn't
[06:57] <jdub> hrm
[06:57] <jdub> tempting to reply with a more in-depth answer
[06:57] <jba> to what?
[06:58] <jdub> the slashdot article
[06:58] <jba> which one?
[06:58] <whiprush> don't bother imo.
[06:58] <Zotnix> Gnome is making big progress too.
[06:58] <jdub> whiprush: we can look down at slashdot, but it still has a large readership
[06:58] <tsm2004beta> Hello, uhm, I'm rather new to Ubuntu, and while trying to install Acrobat Reader, it says that I do not have permission to create the folder it wishes to install to... But only root has that authority and I don't know how to log into root or change my own authority.
[06:58] <Amaranth> i only read the comments when i'm bored though
[06:59] <Sam_> Hello. Can someone tell me what program runs before ubuntu boots for the first time, and it asks you, "Would you like to download new packages now?"
[06:59] <Amaranth> Sam_: update-notifier?
[06:59] <whiprush> jdub: yeah, I'm just saying, a link to the hoary goals shoul really do the trick.
[06:59] <Sam_> Alrighty
[06:59] <mebaran> Gnome is generally nicer than KDE
[06:59] <Zotnix> Not crazy about the update-notifier. It gets "stuck"
[06:59] <mebaran> partially because it feels lighter
[06:59] <mebaran> not so many tools
[06:59] <mebaran> I happen to like to drop into command line to get stuff done
[06:59] <randabis> tsm2004beta, use sudo
[06:59] <mebaran> it is quicker
[07:00] <whiprush> jdub: or maybe a point by point drilldown of each of the things on the hoarygoals list and why they matter.
[07:00] <tsm2004beta> Sudo?
[07:00] <whiprush> ie. "this is why replacing fam is good"
[07:00] <neom> go to the terminal and type "sudo -s"
[07:00] <randabis> yes, using sudo before a command gives your user root authority
[07:00] <neom> Why are you not using synapic though?
[07:00] <jdub> whiprush: more about the livecd
[07:01] <randabis> for example,
[07:01] <randabis> sudo mkdir /foo
[07:01] <neom> +t
[07:01] <randabis> it will ask you for a password
[07:01] <tsm2004beta> I just downloaded the installer... I didn't know it was on synapic.
[07:01] <randabis> it is your USER password
[07:01] <randabis> but yeah, it is already in the ubuntu packages
[07:01] <tsm2004beta> Ah
[07:01] <Amaranth> I don't get why the new Live CD is important either. :P
[07:01] <tsm2004beta> I'll check and see then..
[07:02] <Amaranth> Will hoary have a unified Live/Installer CD?
[07:02] <jdub> Amaranth: the DVD will have both on it
[07:02] <randabis> Know what would be cool?
[07:02] <Amaranth> yea, firefox froze
[07:02] <randabis> A UNIVERSE DVD :)
[07:02] <whiprush> bah, they always leave out utf8 support when mentioning hoary
[07:02] <jdub> Amaranth: you can't combine both sanely because one has installed packages and the other has the packages themselves
[07:02] <jba> tsm2004beta, there is a faq about sudo and the fact there is no root account on ubuntulinux.org
[07:02] <jdub> whiprush: because it's boring :)
[07:03] <jdub> jba: there is a root account, it's just disabled
[07:03] <heliolith> I just installed jhead, read man jhead, and am unsure of how to use it to -autorot (rotate) all images in a given directory... what's the general method for applying a program to the entire contents of a given directory?
[07:03] <Zotnix> Hrm... I would love to see a light graphical installer... if not at least a slightly more intuitive partioner.
[07:03] <whiprush> yeah but dude, 2 releases in it's still all about the plumbing.
[07:03] <jdub> randabis: too big. we'll have all of supported on a DVD
[07:03] <whiprush> and people are complaining about the color of the roof. @_@
[07:03] <jdub> Zotnix: on its way
[07:03] <randabis> Including restricted?
[07:03] <jdub> randabis: yes
[07:03] <Zotnix> Oooh.
[07:03] <Zotnix> Heh
[07:03] <randabis> :)
[07:03] <jdub> randabis: restricted is on the normal cd
[07:04] <randabis> hmm
[07:04] <FLeiXiuS> Zotnix: I light graphical installer wouldn't simply be Debian :-P
[07:04] <randabis> ndiswrapper utils isn't :p
[07:04] <FLeiXiuS> jdub: Hows it going..
[07:04] <randabis> that really should be on there for people trying to get their wifi setup
[07:04] <jdub> FLeiXiuS: might be worth pointing out that ubuntu is not debian...
[07:04] <Zotnix> Hehe, I think Ubuntu surpasses Debian just a bit. ;)
[07:05] <FLeiXiuS> jdub: Debian based..
[07:05] <heliolith> anyone know how to apply a given command to the entire contents of a given directory?
[07:05] <jdub> heliolith: depending on the command, <command> *
[07:05] <FLeiXiuS> Zotnix: true, but its structure i based solemly on debian, the pacakges are quite different
[07:05] <mebaran> Zotnix: It depends where
[07:05] <randabis> anyway, back to visualboyadvance :)
[07:05] <randabis> talk in a bit
[07:05] <mebaran> not quite as stable but it certianly is more coherent
[07:05] <heliolith> jdub oh ok that jogs my memory... you're not familiar with jhead are you? the exif utility for jpegs?
 -R * will usually go into the directories recursively, check the manpage for the specific command though
[07:06] <jdub> nup
[07:06] <Zotnix> I've used Debian. I thought it was slow with updating anything on the system. I was fine with stable  base components but updating regular apps (gaim, browsers, etc) was a pain.
[07:06] <Orcrist> I'm very happy with ubuntu thus far... and while people might want to whine about the 'non-milestoneness' of hoary's release, I think the fact that it's a brand-new distro heading into it's third dev cycle is milestone enough in the linux world anymore
[07:07] <Orcrist> getting over the sophomore slump alone is worth note
[07:07] <Amaranth> hey, what happens if Ubuntu is still around in the year 3004?
[07:07] <Amaranth> The versioning will be like Y2K all over again. :)
[07:08] <TheMuso> Who knows?
[07:08] <mebaran> Amaranth: We all get free beer
[07:08] <HrdwrBoB> Amaranth: we will all be long dead
[07:08] <FLeiXiuS> Amaranth: the world will be ended befoer the year 2020
[07:08] <Orcrist> wow, I didn't even know that my great-great-great...-great grandkids drank beer
[07:09] <mebaran> Orcrist: amazing what you learn on IRC?
[07:09] <Amaranth> FLeiXiuS: Nah, Bush won't be in office that long. *ducks*
[07:09] <whiprush> man, these native gnome dialogs in firefox are so sweet.
[07:09] <Orcrist> dear great^25 grandkids... here's your free beer from the year 2005... sorry its a little stale
[07:09] <FLeiXiuS> Amaranth: the way we naturally gain our resources is going to be a pain in the neck ... our production of C02 is going to anticipate a potential threat ojn global warth, so bad that they already have a globar warning about it..looking to hit within 7-8 years
[07:09] <heliolith> jdub that works, now I need to remember how to find a utility via backports that's not showing up in synaptic...
[07:09] <heliolith> it's called "jpegtran"
[07:09] <HrdwrBoB> heliolith: jpegtools I think
[07:09] <mebaran> I just want Evolution to work
[07:09] <Zotnix> I've tried that.
[07:10] <heliolith> HrdwrBoB ty
[07:10] <Zotnix> Had to reboot my system because of Evolution.
[07:10] <Orcrist> Evolution has been flawless on my system
[07:10] <Orcrist> are you guys using hoary?
[07:10] <mebaran> anyone here on AMD64 Hoary
[07:10] <mebaran> AMD64 Hoary
[07:10] <Orcrist> ahhh
[07:10] <Orcrist> double-whammy
[07:10] <mebaran> which manes I am cut buggy
[07:10] <mebaran> yeah
[07:10] <Zotnix> Downloaded a picture to my HD, netstat (spawned by evolution) froze and that causes evolution to freeze. Killed it. It zombified :(... try to browse where I saved the picture, nautilus zombifies.
[07:10] <Amaranth> netstat zombifies often
[07:10] <Amaranth> :P
[07:11] <keyvan> what utility can i use to resize my partitions?
[07:11] <Zotnix> For now I'm sticking with thunderbird
[07:11] <mebaran> keyvan: two steps
[07:11] <mebaran> I need a contact app
[07:11] <Zotnix> I can't seem to find an option that allows me to see pictures in evolution inline automatically.
[07:11] <mebaran> any of you guy know a decent contact app
[07:11] <mebaran> just needs to do name address phone
[07:11] <dud> im on hoary amd64... btw
[07:11] <mebaran> and it needs to read vcards
[07:11] <keyvan> mebaran, two steps?
[07:12] <dr_willis> heh - use a PalmPilot emulator :P
[07:12] <mebaran> yeah
[07:12] <jdub> mebaran: evolution
[07:12] <mebaran> jdub: My Evolution wont work
[07:12] <Orcrist> why is it that I can't use ping, traceroute, etc...?
[07:12] <mebaran> it keeps either segfaulting
[07:12] <Amaranth> mebaran: Thunderbird?
[07:12] <whiprush> jdub: so are we hosed with regard to howl?
[07:12] <dr_willis> Orcrist,  su to root or use sudo
[07:12] <jdub> whiprush: kind of
[07:12] <whiprush> man
[07:12] <jdub> mebaran: on hoary?
[07:12] <mebaran> or Float Point Exception
[07:12] <mebaran> yep
[07:12] <mebaran> AMD64 Haory
[07:12] <mebaran> I needed Xorg
[07:12] <Orcrist> I need su privs to use those functions dr_willis?
[07:12] <mebaran> for my vid card to actually do anything
[07:12] <keyvan> what application can i use for resizing my partitions?
[07:13] <mebaran> what filesyste keyvan?
[07:13] <Zotnix> Doesn't work here on i386 on hoary ;)
[07:13] <Orcrist> strange that they put them on a default desktop (the little nettools suite in gnome)
[07:13] <jdub> mebaran: welcome to the development branch!
[07:13] <Zotnix> It works for most things.
[07:13] <keyvan> mebaran, reiserfs
[07:13] <dr_willis> Orcrist,  - try it and see.. :P if so - yes. :P  those are common commands taht are 'locked' down for root only
[07:13] <mebaran> hmmm
[07:13] <mebaran> jdub: Development is where you break things right? :)
[07:13] <Zotnix> So once Hoary is released... I just do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, no? Then I'm running stable.
[07:14] <Zotnix> Then I see how long before I run the next unstable release :-p
[07:14] <jdub> mebaran: break and fix, break and fix
[07:14] <whiprush> mebaran: some of the net tools ask for your root password, even though they should be asking for your sudo password. Your sudo password should work.
[07:14] <Orcrist> I guess I could always gksudo the network tools app
[07:14] <Orcrist> strange it's not already done that way though
[07:14] <whiprush> Zotnix: ideally, yes.
[07:15] <jdub> Orcrist: network-admin? it already is
[07:15] <Zotnix> I don't use network-admin
[07:15] <stuNNed> heh
[07:15] <Zotnix> It eats my /etc/network/interfaces fil
[07:15] <Zotnix> e
[07:16] <Zotnix> I had to rewrite it from scratch a few times.
[07:16] <olimar> Hi all, I updated my Ubuntu distro but the boot manager in the gnome menus disappeared
[07:16] <olimar> I have now a full grub menu and can't start my windows partitions anymore
[07:16] <olimar> please any help?
[07:16] <olimar> does anyone know the gnome system tools's boot window command?
[07:16] <jdub> olimar: it's not supported (it was in hoary earlier as a packaging regression)
[07:17] <olimar> O_O
[07:17] <jdub> olimar: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:17] <olimar> puh
[07:17] <goldfish> sorry for the n00b question, first time using linux, anyone know where the gnome themes folder is?
[07:17] <olimar> but I feel such a tool is really handy
[07:17] <Zotnix> I think .themes in your home folder
[07:17] <goldfish> thanks
[07:18] <olimar> you can add and change your installed OSs and the majority always have two
[07:18] <Orcrist> what's the cmd-line command for traceroute?
[07:19] <olimar> ok opened the menu-lst
[07:19] <olimar> BUT the windows partition DISAPPEARED O_O
[07:19] <Dreamer3_> olimar: great! things are already improcing
[07:20] <Dreamer3_> improving
[07:20] <Dreamer3_> :)
[07:20] <olimar> how can I start windows at all? It seems the updated overwrote the old file
[07:20] <olimar> myn I have to go to work with this notebook or I'll get fired
[07:20] <whiprush> olimar: your entry for windows should look something like this: http://www.redhat.com/advice/tips/dualboot.html
[07:20] <olimar> how can I tell my Boss I don't have a windows partition with all the data ?!
[07:20] <Dreamer3_> olimar: you'll have to add it back... should i even mention restoring from a backup?
[07:20] <Dreamer3_> olimar: maybe not play around on work pcs? ;-)
[07:20] <Guardiann> :)
[07:21] <Dreamer3_> well, time to call a friend
[07:21] <Dreamer3_> toodles
[07:21] <olimar> maybe make no buggy software ???
[07:21] <froust> What is the easiest way to set up alsa?
[07:21] <olimar> that's a KILLER bug
[07:22] <whiprush> olimar: you running hoary?
[07:22] <Orcrist> strange, but it only does that with traceroute
[07:22] <olimar> yes I am
[07:22] <whiprush> kinda comes with the territory
[07:22] <whiprush> if you need something that doesn't break, stick with warty.
[07:22] <olimar> are there any possibilities to restart grub config?
[07:23] <olimar> maybe a deb tool?
[07:23] <Orcrist> lol no traceroute installed!
[07:23] <whiprush> olimar: that page I linked you to has an example windows entry for your menu.lst.
[07:23] <olimar> yeah I'll not upgrade anymore ...
[07:23] <supergear> ubuntu seems good
[07:23] <olimar> but it doesn't look like the linux ones in the menu-lsdt
[07:23] <olimar> menu.lst
[07:23] <supergear> even tho i am running it on vmware
[07:23] <olimar> and it is for RH, is this ok ?
[07:24] <whiprush> the example for a windows boot thing should be fine
[07:24] <whiprush> sec, lemme ask someone
[07:25] <olimar> and is hd0 ok?
[07:25] <olimar> I doubt it was hd0 on my Notebook but I am not sure
[07:25] <whiprush> it needs to point to where your windows partition is
[07:26] <whiprush> ugh, I'm not sure and I don't want to give you bad information.
[07:27] <FLeiXiuS> whiprush: if windows was install first windows tends to hang on the hd1
[07:27] <dud> windows needs to be on hd0,0
[07:27] <whiprush> if worse comes to worse and your boss is about to kill you you can stick in your XP disc and do a /fixmbr from the rescue mode
[07:27] <dud> window has to have the first partition on the first drive, or else it wont work
[07:27] <olimar> well I'll try...
[07:27] <olimar> ok I'll do a reboot
[07:27] <FLeiXiuS> dud: it works on other partitions..
[07:28] <whiprush> olimar: wait
[07:28] <whiprush> man ...
[07:28] <goldfish> lol
[07:28] <dud> heh, if we dont see him again, we know what went wrong hehe
[07:28] <Orcrist> ever since I installed (and subsequently uninstalled) imwheel, I've noticed my mouse double clicks without me telling it too about half the time... anyone else had this same problem?
[07:30] <zenrox> Orcrist,  dont use imwheel
[07:30] <Orcrist> why not zenrox?
[07:30] <zenrox> xfree shuld all ready use the wheel
[07:30] <stuNNed> imwheel is deprecated no?
[07:31] <Orcrist> it wasn't hte wheel, it was the 5 buttons
[07:31] <Orcrist> well any idea what it might have tainted?  I already searched through my x86 config and no clues there
[07:31] <Zotnix> I used it for a 7 button mouse
[07:31] <Zotnix> Which I have now.
[07:31] <gregday> X has a hard limit of 5 configurable buttons...  left, right, middle, wheelup, wheeldown, and then you're done.
[07:31] <Zotnix> Just hadn't done anything with it
[07:32] <zenrox> imwheel takes over the wheel and causes probs
[07:33] <Orcrist> well since I've uninstalled, this same problem persists
[07:33] <Orcrist> even after cold reboots
[07:33] <Orcrist> I think the only thing I haven't tried is a reboot to the recovery kernel
[07:33] <zenrox> mouse wont work thare any way
[07:33] <Orcrist> is there anywhere else I might look for clues as to whether its still affecting my mouse or if maybe I just have a hardware prob?
[07:33] <zenrox> recovery= root terminal
[07:34] <zenrox> Orcrist,  maby gnome mouse settings
[07:34] <Orcrist> yes, but you can regularly boot it using a clean kernel
[07:34] <Orcrist> I wouldn't think imwheel taints kernels but who knows
[07:34] <zenrox> gnome can be programed to use other mouse buttons
[07:34] <Orcrist> not a whole lot of options in there zenrox... and I've been through them all
[07:34] <zenrox> and keys too
[07:34] <zenrox> check the keyboard
[07:35] <zenrox> config
[07:35] <Orcrist> it's really annoying with searching through synaptic... it'll mark for installation... or I join a game server twice and launch 2 quakes... that one's really fun
[07:35] <Orcrist> let me look there zen
[07:35] <zenrox> ya Orcrist  i bet
[07:35] <zenrox> that one is fun
[07:36] <zenrox> i want my wireless mouse and kb combo back but its being used on my PS2
[07:38] <olimar> No it didn't work!
[07:38] <Orcrist> still nothing...
[07:38] <Frctl> Hey all! im a windows user and i know a little windows programming, but im pretty new to linux...i messed around with FreeBSD a couple years ago, but gave up. is ubuntu a good place to start?
[07:39] <zenrox> Frctl,  yes
[07:39] <stuNNed> Frctl: as good as any, pretty easy to use from teh start.
[07:39] <zenrox> easy install
[07:39] <stuNNed> Frctl: and guarantees to always be free software ;)
[07:39] <zenrox> if you can under stad what goes on
[07:39] <Frctl> warty-install-i386.iso is the latest stable, right?
[07:40] <stuNNed> yes
[07:40] <zenrox> yes
[07:40] <zenrox> i use hoary
[07:40] <Orcrist> yes Frctl... has some big advantages (in my opinion) over the other classic newbie distros like mandrake
[07:41] <stuNNed> does mdk even ship dbus/hal yet?
[07:41] <Frctl> thanks
[07:42] <zenrox> stuNNed,  nope
[07:42] <Frctl> One of my goals is to get it running on one of my PC's with a Linksys wireless USB adaptor.  none of the live cd's seem to see it. any advice?
[07:43] <stuNNed> only reason for me to use hoary at this point is for galeon, warty has alot of new stuffs in it already
[07:43] <da_bon_bon> which is /the/ software for low level raw partition table access and modification ?
[07:43] <stuNNed> imho
[07:43] <MM2> is someone familiar with cinerella?
[07:43] <stuNNed> da_bon_bon: fdisk ?
[07:43] <da_bon_bon> stuNNed: no, i want to change hdc2 to 1
[07:44] <zenrox> da_bon_bon, fdisk
[07:44] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: no i want to change hdc2 to 1
[07:44] <zenrox> you gots to del the partion
[07:44] <zenrox> and redo it
[07:44] <zenrox> to get hdc1
[07:45] <zenrox> you cant jsut rename it
[07:45] <stuNNed> zenrox: parted might be able to do it, there is qtparted frontend.
[07:45] <zenrox> ya
[07:45] <zenrox> hes right
[07:45] <zenrox> qtparted is nice
[07:47] <da_bon_bon> qtparted has screwed up my part. table sooo many times.
[07:47] <Frctl> thx all
[07:47] <Frctl> later
[07:48] <stuNNed> da_bon_bon: what type partition has it screwed up?
[07:48] <da_bon_bon> stuNNed: the table itself - the part. numbers are non-contiuguous - start from hdc2
[07:54] <kakalto> what's a good c compiler?
[07:54] <kakalto> I need to install one
[07:55] <TheMuso> Ubuntu comes with gcc.
[07:55] <zenrox> and a few others that are very nice
[07:55] <mebaran> is ther anyway
[07:55] <mebaran> that one could some how make a repo
[07:55] <mebaran> that could have stable ports for Hoary
[07:55] <zenrox> mebaran,  how so
[07:56] <mebaran> kind of like backports but in reverse
[07:56] <mebaran> like a lot of stuff for AMD64 is very broken
[07:56] <zenrox> me its ubuntu-backports.sf.net
[07:56] <TheMuso> Hoary is unstable. How would stable ports help?
[07:56] <kakalto> zenrox, but...
[07:56] <mebaran> well for really broken apps
[07:56] <mebaran> like Evoultion
[07:56] <mebaran> on AMD64 it wont start
[07:56] <mebaran> at all
[07:56] <kakalto> when installing a program which requires compiling, it checks some place, and hasn't found a valid compiler
[07:56] <mebaran> segfault or float error
[07:56] <mebaran> oh
[07:56] <jdub> don't use backports
[07:56] <jdub> they just screw things up
[07:57] <mebaran> apt-get install build-essential
[07:57] <zenrox> kakalto,  it dont install it as a default set up
[07:57] <mebaran> I hope they fix Evolution soon
[07:57] <jdub> either help test the devel branch or live comfortably on the stable release
[07:57] <jdub> mebaran: 'they', you keep saying this word
[07:57] <mebaran> well I had a problem in stable
[07:57] <kakalto> zenrox, then how do I get it to work?
[07:57] <mebaran> as Xfree refused to work
[07:57] <zenrox> kakalto,  what mebaran  said is what you do it get it
[07:57] <kakalto> you mean apt-get install build-essential?
[07:58] <mebaran> yep
[07:58] <zenrox> ya with a sudo infrount
[07:58] <mebaran> easy as pie
[07:58] <mebaran> oh yes
[07:58] <kakalto> kewl
[07:58] <mebaran> the obligatory sudo
[07:58] <zenrox> yep
[07:58] <mebaran> sorry jdub
[07:58] <kakalto> btw, how big is the download?
[07:58] <zenrox> not very
[07:58] <mebaran> oh like a couple megs
[07:58] <mebaran> I think is like 5
[07:58] <zenrox> 6-7megs
[07:58] <mebaran> yeah
[07:58] <mebaran> that sounds about right
[07:58] <mebaran> not to huge
[07:58] <kakalto> kewl
[07:58] <zenrox> nope
[07:58] <kakalto> *sigh of relief*
[07:58] <mebaran> jdub: sorry if I use they in a silly manner
[07:59] <mebaran> they as in the developers
[07:59] <mebaran> I dont know enough C to do anything
[07:59] <mebaran> ;0)
[07:59] <mebaran> sorry
[07:59] <mebaran> ;)
[07:59] <mebaran> there we go
[07:59] <zenrox> lol now if you want the dev libs for all your progarms that yor going to compile agenst to get a certion program to work
[07:59] <mebaran> yeah
[07:59] <mebaran> make sure to dll the dev packages
[08:00] <zenrox> then it will get huge
[08:00] <mebaran> yep
[08:00] <jdub> mebaran: have you commented on or reported a bug?
[08:00] <mebaran> esp if you need like gtk2.0-dev
[08:00] <mebaran> yeap
[08:00] <zenrox> 100-200megs depending what you have install
[08:00] <mebaran> twice
[08:00] <mebaran> alot of AMD64'ers have the problem
[08:00] <mebaran> so it aint jsut me
[08:00] <stuNNed> mebaran: but numbers?
[08:00] <mebaran> hmm
[08:00] <stuNNed> mebaran: bug numbers, sorry
[08:00] <mebaran> I wouldnt know off the top of my head
[08:00] <mebaran> let me look it up
[08:02] <mebaran> damn page takes forever
[08:02] <zenrox> lol
[08:10] <dud> talk about ber split
[08:10] <dud> rather wikked
[08:10] <bzbb> holy netsplit, batman
[08:12] <brandoo> Ok - Another thing :) Anyone here used Fedora ?
[08:12] <muhahahaha> hi
[08:12] <muhahahaha> i can acces mldonkey in my pc via  http://127.0.0.1:4080/ how can access it from another pc?
[08:13] <wezzer> I don't if that is possible
[08:13] <wezzer> but try changing the ip address
[08:14] <mebaran151> ok
[08:14] <mebaran151> it is bug numbers 5870 and bug 5649
[08:14] <mebaran151> I experienced both
[08:15] <dud> bleh... nvidia-settings only work on xfree86, and not xorg it seems....
[08:16] <dud> i really fscking need a nice application to adjust my gamma...
[08:17] <steve__> I have a printer issue, and I am wondering if anyone can help me out
[08:17] <kzm> Hi all
[08:17] <steve__> my message says Paused: Unable to open USB device "usb://hp/deskjet%203320?serial=LPDTESTLD": No such device
[08:18] <kzm> I just switched from gentoo to ubuntu, but now I have some problems.
[08:18] <HrdwrBoB> kzm: shoot
[08:18] <kzm> Well - I installed from warty, then changed the sources.list to refer to hoary
[08:19] <kzm> ...then dist-upgrade'd, which broke horribly.
[08:19] <Dreamer3> did i miss anything
[08:19] <steve__> does anyone know that printer message means and how I can fix it
[08:19] <bob2> kzm: to the unstable pre-alpha version of ubuntu?
[08:19] <bob2> shock ;)
[08:19] <kzm> But I removed and reinstalled, and now I have at least ubuntu-desktop installed, and there doesn't seem to be anything missing
[08:19] <Dreamer3> kzm: no way, hoary isn't 100% perfect yet? :)
[08:20] <kzm> OKay, perhaps it's a bit more experimental than I thought.  Shoulda known
[08:20] <kzm> :-)
[08:20] <kzm> (Because the warty live CD worked pretty well when my disk had crashed)
[08:20] <billyanachronism> im having a problem installing ubuntu.. warty.. whatever it was that was sent first
[08:20] <billyanachronism> it installs and gets to initrd-tools and dies
[08:20] <kzm> But perhaps it's possible to resolve my issues anyway
[08:21] <billyanachronism> it says.. from console 3 that its already installed
[08:21] <billyanachronism> and also that there are some unmet dependancies
[08:21] <billyanachronism> is this a common error?
[08:21] <steve__> again, can anyone help with my printer issues
[08:21] <billyanachronism> anyone know what I should do?
[08:21] <kzm> 1. the X server (or Gnome?) hangs for some time at irregular intervals.  Around a second or so, where the mouse pointer doesn't move.  I use the nv driver (not nvidia), so perhaps it is inefficient?
[08:22] <dud> sooo.... has anyone gotten the nvidia-settings package to work on hoary amd64?
[08:22] <billyanachronism> this is so ridiculous.. I haven't ever been able to install ubuntu
[08:22] <mebaran151> Ok
[08:22] <mebaran151> I found the bug number as 5870
[08:22] <billyanachronism> it just doesn't work.. on multiple computers
[08:22] <mebaran151> Evolution crashing when dataserver is launched
[08:22] <mebaran151> with a float error
[08:23] <kzm> billy: I had a problem with the computer locking up -- I think it was solved by using "noapic" etc as kernel params on boot
[08:23] <billyanachronism> is there a howto or FAQ for the warty cd install?
[08:23] <billyanachronism> kzm, it doesn't lock up.. it just stuffs up when it gets to initrd-tools installation
[08:23] <stuNNed> billyanachronism: /topic ?
[08:24] <billyanachronism> stuNNed, ty
[08:24] <kzm> "stuffs" up?
[08:24] <billyanachronism> error
[08:24] <billyanachronism> says initrd-tools is already installed .. or something
[08:24] <billyanachronism> I'll have to retry install
[08:25] <billyanachronism> give me a second
[08:25] <kzm> Very strange, imho.  But I'm no expert - I was trying to figure out some issues with my own ubuntu install...
[08:25] <billyanachronism> but in order for me to do that I have to redo the install to format the disk because once its got files on there it won't install over it again
[08:27] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  I'm attempting to build gossip cvs and I get this error during the configure script:
[08:27] <ficusplanet> checking for XScreenSaverRegister in -lXext... no
[08:27] <ficusplanet> checking for XScreenSaverRegister in -lXss... yes
[08:27] <ficusplanet> configure: error: Couldn't find XScreenSaver extension.
[08:27] <kzm> I guess warty is the recommended distro ,then?  Is it possible to downgrade, or must I reinstall?
[08:27] <ficusplanet> What do I need to install to circumvent this?  (I'm using hoary)
[08:34] <randabis> netsplit
[08:34] <jirwin> sure looks like
[08:35] <jirwin> real quick, could anyone tell me why stuff I put in .bashprofile (adding to PATH) isn't working?
[08:37] <heliolith> does anyone have a utility to auto-rotate jpegs with embedded exif-orientation info?  or a way to do that they prefer?  I can't DL jpegtools b/c of a dependency issue
[08:38] <dud> argh, i really really need to get nvidia-settings running so that i can adjust my gamma here... its killing me hehe
[08:39] <Dreamer3> heliolith: with imagemagick not do that?
[08:39] <dud> heliolith, afaik RawView is a sweet application which can read EXIF information
[08:39] <Lathiat> heliolith: look at the package called 'exiftran'
[08:39] <dud> at least for crw files, and most likely for jpeg
[08:39] <heliolith> wow
[08:39] <heliolith> thanks all 3 of you
[08:39] <Lathiat> heliolith: preserves the exif data and updates it too
[08:39] <dud> but how about this crapassed nvidia problem of mine...
[08:40] <Amaranth> dud: This is why I stick to the open source ATI driver. :)
[08:40] <dud> Amaranth, that driver really wont do much good on an nvidia card...
[08:40] <timlinux_zzzzzzz> Amaranth, does the OS ati driver give you nice 3d acceleration?
[08:40] <Dreamer3> dud: lol
[08:41] <Amaranth> timlinux_zzzzzzz: Depends on what card you have.
[08:41] <linux-rulz> hey, this isn't really a ubuntu question, i am more here to maybe help answer them, but anyways, i use chatzilla, and now it logs me in without asking for my username on other networks i use sometimes, how do i change my username?
[08:41] <timlinux_zzzzzzz> erm.....
[08:41] <Amaranth> It does up to the Radeon 9250, iirc
[08:41] <linux-rulz> ah, never mind, found it
[08:41] <Amaranth> If you're running Ubuntu and have a supported card it should have been setup on its own.
[08:41] <timlinux_zzzzzzz> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE]  (rev 01)
[08:42] <dud> stracing it just gives lots of garbage
[08:42] <Amaranth> timlinux_zzzzzzz: Did you install the ATI driver from ATI or just left what Ubuntu setup for you?
[08:42] <ficusplanet> Does anyone know what I would have to install to get gossip to see that I have xscreensaver.  It says "checking for XScreenSaverRegister in -lXext... no"
[08:42] <timlinux_zzzzzzz> Amaranth, It may have been but ubuntu didnt install any 3d / opengl apps afaict
[08:42] <timlinux_zzzzzzz> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE]  (rev 01)
[08:42] <timlinux_zzzzzzz> sorry for double post :-(
[08:42] <dud> ficusplanet, prolly xscreensavers dev package...
[08:42] <Amaranth> timlinux_zzzzzzz: check out glxinfo and see if you have 'Direct Rendering: Yes'
[08:43] <timlinux_zzzzzzz> I'm trigger happy on my keyboard today :-(
[08:43] <Amaranth> I think that's what it says.
[08:43] <ficusplanet> dud, There is not xscreensaver dev package.
[08:43] <dud> "glxinfo |grep direct" should do it
[08:43] <dud> ficusplanet, hmm
[08:44] <timlinux_zzzzzzz> direct rendering: Yes
[08:44] <timlinux_zzzzzzz> Ill grab a copy of bzone and give it a go
[08:45] <Amaranth> You're probably enjoying the goodness that is the open-source DRI driver then. :)
[08:45] <CreeVal> God day
[08:46] <CreeVal> When i try to change the resolution on my Ubuntu install(Warty) i get this error message: "The X Server does not support the XRandR extension. Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available."
[08:47] <CreeVal> Any ideas? (have installed the fglrx module and its working just fine...)
[08:47] <ron_> ok how do i put a new program in my ubuntu start menu
[08:47] <timlinux_zzzzzzz> Amaranth, goodie goodie goodie....I am just crossgrading to ubuntu from suse and have been missing out on 3d because xorg doenst do 3d ati yet afaik
[08:47] <ron_> ok how do i put a new program in my ubuntu start menu
[08:48] <Amaranth> timlinux_zzzzzzz: It has for awhile now, if you have that card. :)
[08:48] <ron_> anyone know?
[08:48] <Amaranth> ron_: I remember it was a PITA when I tried to find out and that I gave up. :P
[08:48] <ron_> what?
[08:49] <randabis> ron_, are you running warty or hoary?
[08:49] <ron_> warty
[08:49] <randabis> okay
[08:49] <randabis> to add stuff to the applications menu, type nautilus applications:/// in a terminal
[08:49] <randabis> it will open your menu
[08:49] <randabis> then you can right-click, and select Add Launcher
[08:50] <randabis> you "should" be able to figure it out from there :)
[08:50] <Amaranth> randabis: Not in hoary. :P
[08:50] <randabis> Amaranth, that's why I asked him which version he was running
[08:50] <Amaranth> I know, just saying it isn't that easy in hoary.
[08:51] <randabis> Yep, it's a pain atm
[08:51] <randabis> Much easier in XFCE though :)
[08:52] <randabis> I've been gnome-free about a week now
[08:52] <randabis> well, gnome is there, it's just gathering dust
[08:53] <stuNNed> hi, warty is like sid snapshot at time of development, what is it compared to with debian?  like "sarge" ?
[08:53] <rubenv> kinda, but way better
[08:53] <fabbione> warty is a stable release
[08:54] <stuNNed> yes but
[08:54] <randabis> stuNNed, if you mean like stable vs unstable, I'd say Woody
[08:54] <fabbione> hoary is betweend sid and sarge
[08:54] <stuNNed> hoary is between sid and sarge? ah ok
[08:54] <randabis> hoary has surpassed sid for the most part
[08:54] <randabis> xorg, etc
[08:54] <stuNNed> so if i want to grab galeon when it enters sarge or get it from sid?  (i think the former)
[08:55] <randabis> within ubuntu?
[08:55] <stuNNed> randabis: ok then, so it is alot different, to a degree :)
[08:55] <stuNNed> randabis: yes, it's not avail, only in hoary.
[08:55] <randabis> ah, didn't realize that...I've been using galeon for a little while now. I like it better than firefox
[08:56] <stuNNed> me too really
[08:56] <randabis> as far as "where" to get it...I really don't know...I suppose you could try the sarge one
[08:56] <HrdwrBoB> galeon is in universe
[08:57] <HrdwrBoB> I beleive
[08:57] <stuNNed> not in warty.
[08:57] <stuNNed> randabis: according to #galeon on irc.gnome.org it should be ported to sarge soon enough :)
[08:57] <randabis> well I run hoary anyway so it's not a big deal
[08:58] <stuNNed> randabis: do you sync often?
[08:58] <randabis> the sid one might work in warty, I really don't know...I don't think jdong backported that often either
[08:58] <randabis> stuNNed, daily
[08:58] <randabis> sometimes more than once depending on what's released (I'm on the mailing list)
[08:59] <stuNNed> randabis: which mailing list?
[08:59] <randabis> hoary-changes
[08:59] <stuNNed> k
[08:59] <stuNNed> thanks will subscribe
[08:59] <bob2> haha
[08:59] <bob2> you really don't need to be on ubuntu-changes
[09:00] <bob2> all the info there is in the package changelogs anyway
[09:00] <bob2> (Except for who uploaded it)
[09:00] <randabis> I like to have it in my mailbox for quick reference
[09:00] <stuNNed> randabis: how much mail per day lol?
[09:00] <bob2> sure, so do I, but it's not that useful
[09:00] <bob2> stuNNed: ~40 maybe
[09:01] <stuNNed> lol
[09:01] <randabis> lately it's been less
[09:01] <stuNNed> btw this windows admin here likes ubuntu
[09:01] <randabis> cool
[09:02] <bob2> stuNNed: a better idea is apt-listchanges
[09:02] <stuNNed> bob2: okie
[09:02] <mdrjr> does anyone here knows what packages are for C functions manual pages?
[09:02] <bob2> mdrjr: manpages-dev
[09:03] <mdrjr> bob2, thank you.
[09:03] <goldfish> How do I get xmms?
[09:03] <mdrjr> goldfish, sudo apt-get install xmms
[09:04] <goldfish> mdrjr: hrmm... That doesn't seem to work for me.
[09:04] <bob2> goldfish: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[09:04] <goldfish> kk
[09:05] <steve__> can anyone help me with a printer issue
[09:06] <steve__> hey ficus what is up
[09:07] <ficusplanet> hey steve
[09:07] <ficusplanet> nothing much
[09:07] <steve__> I have a pritner issue
[09:07] <stuNNed> bob2: like randabis would prefer emails sorry
[09:07] <steve__> printer
[09:07] <steve__> can you help
[09:07] <stuNNed> bob2: web based and all...more convenient imho
[09:07] <ficusplanet> What's the problem?
[09:08] <steve__> i get  a crazy message when I print
[09:08] <steve__> it is Paused: Unable to open USB device "usb://hp/deskjet%203320?serial=LPDTESTLD": No such device
[09:08] <steve__> I configured it, I thought
[09:09] <pvh> What's the best wireless frontend to use? Kismet? KWifiManager? Wavemon? WMWave?
[09:09] <stuNNed> wireless frontend for what?
[09:09] <ficusplanet> Did it automatically detect your printer or did you try to manually do it?
[09:09] <steve__> auto, but then it made me choose one
[09:09] <steve__> kind of confusing
[09:09] <ficusplanet> pvh, netapplet or NetworkManager.  I prefer networkmanager but it is hard to set up.
[09:09] <pvh> stuNNed: Signal strength, joining networks, etc.
[09:09] <bob2> stuNNed: huh?
[09:10] <pvh> ficusplanet: How hard?
[09:10] <bob2> and networkmanager is buggy as hell
[09:10] <stuNNed> pvh: kismet i would think, until something like networkmanager is in stable or something.
[09:10] <ficusplanet> pvh, Well, I checked out cvs and applied a patch and then I was ready for hoary.
[09:10] <stuNNed> bob2: would prefer hoary-changes email is all.
[09:10] <bob2> er, kismet is not a wireless frontend
[09:10] <pvh> ficusplanet: My laptop is my low-danger-zone.
[09:10] <bob2> stuNNed: apt-listchanges has nothing to do with anything "web based".  it displays new changelog entries to you when you install packages.
[09:11] <bob2> pvh: netapplet is in hoary (universe) and not too buggy
[09:11] <steve__> any ideas ficus
[09:11] <pvh> bob2: I'll give it a go.
[09:11] <Amaranth> bob2: It isn't just in thom's repository anymore?
[09:11] <stuNNed> bob2: before the install of packages or after?
[09:11] <stuNNed> bob2: so it's automatic?
[09:11] <stuNNed> bob2: with apt-get?
[09:14] <pvh> bob2: Is there lid sensor stuff in hoary?
[09:15] <linux-rulz> is there any third party repositories for ubuntu warty that receive security updates (cause universe doesnt)
[09:15] <linux-rulz> ?
[09:16] <steve__> ficus, still the same. i will have to get with my partner tomorrow and have him diagnose this one
[09:17] <linux-rulz> steve__: what is wrong?
[09:17] <steve__> my printer is all jacked up
[09:17] <flodin> what does it mean when aptitude tells me packages are "held back"?
[09:17] <ficusplanet> steve__, good luck.  sorry i can't be of any help on this one.
[09:17] <steve__> it comes out with the message Paused: Unable to open USB device "usb://hp/deskjet%203320?serial=LPDTESTLD": No such device
[09:17] <linux-rulz> flodin: try apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:18] <pvh> Is there a Hoary Laptop site?
[09:18] <flodin> linux-rulz: what does that do?
[09:18] <linux-rulz> flodin: instead of a normal upgrade
[09:18] <linux-rulz> it prevents packages from being held back
[09:18] <[Batch] > good morning !!
[09:18] <linux-rulz> steve__: what kind of printer?
[09:18] <flodin> linux-rulz: well do i want them to be held back? I don't even know what it means or why they are held back
[09:18] <steve__> hp 3322
[09:19] <linux-rulz> flodin: which ones are being held back....things such as the kernel are sometimes held back because people don't always want to upgrade them
[09:19] <linux-rulz> steve__: did you check linuxprinting.org
[09:19] <flodin> okay. So this is some kind of manual option? Who flags them as held back, me?
[09:19] <steve__> yeah, it says the driver installed was the right one
[09:20] <steve__> it is almost like the driver is not installed in the right directory or something
[09:20] <linux-rulz> flodin: yes, i believe you can, but the ubuntu team also flags some that people often don't want upgraded all the time
[09:20] <linux-rulz> flodin: use synaptic and see which ones are being held back
[09:21] <flodin> linux-rulz: i can see that using aptitude
[09:21] <steve__> did you see the error message I posted
[09:21] <linux-rulz> flodin: which ones are being held back?
[09:21] <linux-rulz> steve__: i dont think i was in this room yet
[09:22] <steve__> ok, hold one
[09:22] <linux-rulz> k
[09:22] <flodin> libasound, libfaad, libavcodec, libdv4, libpostproc, ...
[09:22] <steve__> Paused: Unable to open USB device "usb://hp/deskjet%203320?serial=LPDTESTLD": No such device
[09:22] <linux-rulz> flodin: just do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, it will download the updates
[09:22] <flodin> i chose "mark upgradable" in aptitude now, which made it upgrade them
[09:22] <steve__> linux-rulz, there ya go
[09:23] <linux-rulz> steve__: i have never seen that before......was it working before on ubuntu or any other linux distro?
[09:23] <steve__> this is the first time i used it
[09:23] <linux-rulz> steve__: ubuntu or linux?
[09:23] <steve__> ubuntu
[09:23] <steve__> I used it before on mandrake
[09:24] <linux-rulz> thats strange....you could try uninstalling cups and compiling it from source...although that could mess something up
[09:24] <billyanachronism> hey, I have an obscure error in the install
[09:24] <linux-rulz> billy: what is it?
[09:24] <billyanachronism> just after it says.. choosing what kernel to instal
[09:24] <billyanachronism> using the warty install cd
[09:24] <billyanachronism> it says initrd-tools is already at its newest version
[09:24] <billyanachronism> then it lists a number of packages that are its unmet dependancies but that they aren't going to be installed
[09:24] <billyanachronism> and then E: unmet dependancies
[09:25] <billyanachronism> I was browsing through the forums and another guy was having the same error on the exact same processor as me..
[09:25] <linux-rulz> steve__: does hp officially support there printers on linux?
[09:25] <billyanachronism> but his solution seemed non-sensical and not really related
[09:25] <linux-rulz> billy: what processor?
[09:25] <billyanachronism> AMDk6-500
[09:25] <steve__> this driver is their generic release
[09:26] <linux-rulz> steve__: you could try contacting hp
[09:26] <steve__> maybe I will do that
[09:26] <steve__> thanks man
[09:26] <billyanachronism> he eventually got it installed.. but it required him filling the harddrive with 000s and then fixing the heatsink+fan properly onto the cpu
[09:26] <linux-rulz> billy: is that the processor that supposedly had lots of bugs...i know a few years AMD released a buggy processor
[09:26] <bob2> stuNNed: before, yes and automatically displays new changelog entries to you
[09:26] <billyanachronism> uhm ok
[09:26] <linux-rulz> steve__: no problem
[09:27] <bob2> Amaranth: yeah, but apparently pretty buggy
[09:27] <billyanachronism> linux-rulz, thats an extremely obscure bug
[09:27] <bob2> pvh: and warty, yes
[09:27] <linux-rulz> steve__: you could try contacting the cups or the ubuntu teams too
[09:27] <bob2> pvh: assuming you mean acpi
[09:27] <steve__> I will definately do both
[09:27] <stuNNed> bob2: so just 'apt-get install package' and automagically displays changelog before and during the process?
[09:28] <linux-rulz> billy: im not sure what else to recommend...never heard of anything like that before
[09:28] <linux-rulz> as far as i know ubuntu is compiled for i386, so there shouldnt be any problem there
[09:28] <bob2> stuNNed: yup
[09:28] <billyanachronism> its quite irritating.. the install basically finished too
[09:28] <bob2> stuNNed: and with aptitude, but not synaptic
[09:29] <stuNNed> bob2: wowza.
[09:29] <linux-rulz> billy: try apt-get check and then open synaptic and see if there is any broken packages
[09:29] <billyanachronism> linux-rulz, I tried that
[09:29] <bob2> yeah, very handy
[09:29] <billyanachronism> I'll do it again
[09:29] <billyanachronism> I think i have to run /target/usr/bin/apt-get
[09:30] <billyanachronism> linux-rulz, I get a library error when trying to run apt-get
[09:30] <billyanachronism> libapt-pkg-libc6 i think
[09:30] <linux-rulz> hmmm....im not sure....have you tried debian to see if it works?
[09:30] <stuNNed> bob2: ok i just 'apt-get install bzflag' and no changelog
[09:30] <linux-rulz> try downloading that package from ubuntu's servers and then install it using dpkg
[09:30] <bob2> stuNNed: did you have it installed before?
[09:31] <stuNNed> bob2: just installed it.
[09:31] <bob2> then it won't show anything
[09:31] <bob2> since every entry is new
[09:31] <stuNNed> ah ok then
[09:33] <bob2> oh
[09:34] <bob2> sorry for the disinformation
[09:35] <stuNNed> mvo_: thanks
[09:35] <GammaRay> what? rumsfeld is that you?
[09:35] <stuNNed> bob2: think it's worth it to upgrade to hoary so can get galeon? :\
[09:35] <thoreauputic> question re ppc warty: I have dual boot and mac osx in /etc/fstab - is it safe to write to the os x partition?
[09:36] <thoreauputic> iBook G4 , ppc version of warty of course
[09:36] <bob2> thoreauputic: hfs, yes, ufs, no
[09:36] <bob2> hfs+, I don't know
[09:36] <bob2> stuNNed: not for me, but I don't use galeon anyway
[09:37] <stuNNed> bob2: k
[09:37] <bob2> if you ccan deal with things breaking sometimes, then go for it
[09:37] <thoreauputic> bob2: aha, thanks - it's hfsplus so I guess it's fine :)
[09:38] <thoreauputic> bob2: I tried copying a .png over and nothing broke, so I'm hopeful
[09:38] <dsl1165> anyone no anything about freenx?
[09:38] <linux-rulz> thoreauputic: try rebooting in os x now
[09:38] <steve__> linux-rulz, I went to get the file from hp, and i went to compile it, but it says i do not have a c compiler. what apt-tet file do I need then
[09:39] <bob2> thoreauputic: hrm, ok, be careful...
[09:39] <linux-rulz> apt-get install gcc g++
[09:39] <thoreauputic> linux-rulz: alrewady have and it wasn't broken :)
[09:39] <bob2> no
[09:39] <bob2> steve__: install 'build-essential'
[09:39] <bob2> gcc by itself can't even compile 'hello world'
[09:39] <steve__> thanks
[09:39] <steve__> cool bob
[09:40] <dsl1165> was going to be my suggestion. might also grab module-assistant because it will set up your /src symlinks
[09:40] <dsl1165> module-assistant prepare, iirc
[09:40] <flodin> anyone know of an rss aggregator that can handle https and http redirects? I want to use gmail's rss feed for mail
[09:40] <linux-rulz> steve__: what file did you get from hp?
[09:40] <dsl1165> So, no gurus to help me with my nomachine woes?
[09:41] <bob2> dsl1165: you don't seem to have asked a question about it
[09:41] <dsl1165> well, installed freenx, got it working but it seems to completely ignore theming and icons under gnome.
[09:42] <dsl1165> any ideas on how to tweak it into playing nicer aside from saying "switch to kde"? :-)
[09:42] <thoreauputic> dsl1165: my nxclient works fine in i386 but not in ppc - beyond thatb I don't know much
[09:42] <dsl1165> it works fine, it just gives me the default theme on the remote session and half my icons are broken
[09:42] <dsl1165> so "works" yes, but a little glitchy.
[09:43] <dsl1165> fast as hell though.
[09:43] <dsl1165> so, I was hoping someone might know of a fix.
[09:43] <bob2> that's bizarre
[09:43] <thoreauputic> dsl1165: I haven't seen a big advantage over just using ssh -X here, but I'm only trying it on local network
[09:43] <bob2> I thought it was well above the toolkit level
[09:43] <dsl1165> it really makes a difference over slower links.
[09:44] <dsl1165> bob, so did I, from what I read. seems like it is ignoring the human theme though.
[09:44] <dsl1165> I've used it over wireless, from an old and busted p133. works like a champ.
[09:44] <thoreauputic> dsl1165: yes, amazing - i did try the "demo" over dialup, and even kde was usble (barely)
[09:45] <dsl1165> I'd just like to crack why it isn't using the correct icon/theme/etc info under ubuntu
[09:45] <thoreauputic> slow, but amazing it worked at all
[09:45] <dsl1165> actually, across a wireless link through a firewall it's almost as fast as being there for me.
[09:45] <dsl1165> best part is it playing over ssh
[09:45] <Emanuelez> hello *
[09:45] <dsl1165> can tunnel it like a fiend. ;-)
[09:46] <Emanuelez> what's new? :)
[09:46] <dare2dreamer> freaking damnsmalllinux.
[09:46] <thoreauputic> dsl1165: yes. I haven't had much joy trying vnc - it is much slower
[09:47] <dare2dreamer> oh, vnc pushes bitmaps of your screen around, very heavy. even compressing the ssh tunnels, my vnc sessions were awful unless I was on my lan
[09:47] <dare2dreamer> used to log in, xrandr to a lower resolution and connect to vino before I found nx. it doesn't give you display :0, but damn it's fast.
[09:48] <thoreauputic> dare2dreamer: yep. btw, damnsmall is very clever, but I wouldn't want to live there, if you know what I mean ;)
[09:48] <dare2dreamer> sorry about the nic mixup, was working on a borrowed rig.
[09:48] <dare2dreamer> yeah, but gets a p100 upright and useable as a surf station.
[09:48] <dare2dreamer> I use it to connect to the ubuntu beast in the next room.
[09:48] <thoreauputic> indeed- usefulit is :)
[09:48] <crypticreign> hmm, this "smb mount" icon wont delete off my desktop
[09:49] <dare2dreamer> oh yeah, got two old laptops screaming on it.
[09:49] <crypticreign> even tho nothing is mounted
[09:49] <thoreauputic> right click, umount?
[09:49] <crypticreign> nope
[09:49] <dare2dreamer> restart fam?
[09:49] <dare2dreamer> or has that become an old joke now...
[09:49] <crypticreign> that did nothinig
[09:50] <dare2dreamer> damn thing is in a constant state of breaking things for me. damn near ripped it out, but I didn't like the idea of refreshing my nautilus windows manually.
[09:50] <thoreauputic> crypticreign: heh- rename the icon ;)
[09:50] <crypticreign> i cant :)
[09:50] <dare2dreamer> restart X?
[09:50] <crypticreign> done that :)
[09:51] <crypticreign> oh woah.. its just dissapeared
[09:51] <crypticreign> wierd
[09:51] <dare2dreamer> hey, it's always my LAST idea.
[09:51] <dare2dreamer> sometimes samba shares need a few minutes to go inactive. at least on the win side.
[09:51] <dare2dreamer> they time out
[09:51] <dare2dreamer> seen that here with the gf's xp rig
[09:52] <crypticreign> ah, this is samba connecting to a linux box
[09:52] <dare2dreamer> never found a need to nfs...found shfsmount early on
[09:52] <crypticreign> froma  linux box
[09:52] <dare2dreamer> ew, black voodoo I say
[09:53] <dare2dreamer> so bob2, you said you had nomachine/freenx running on your rig?
[09:53] <bob2> I don't think I ever said that.
[09:53] <thoreauputic> dare2dreamer: actually I can use ssh with nautilus instead - works OK although kde's fish with konqueror is better IMO
[09:53] <bob2> (no, I don't)
[09:54] <dare2dreamer> sorry, got confused.
[09:54] <dare2dreamer> thore, only beef I have with that is I can't seem to log onto anything with nautilus that has an @ or an # in the username
[09:54] <dare2dreamer> my webhost authenticated with usernames like user@host.
[09:55] <rubenv> dare2dreamer: your webhost shouldn't be doing that
[09:55] <dare2dreamer> tried it as user#host, but no love. works locally though. of course shfsmount let's me play with stuff like its local.
[09:55] <thoreauputic> ah, good to know, thanks
[09:55] <dare2dreamer> rubenv, why not?
[09:55] <rubenv> because it's against the RFCs
[09:55] <dare2dreamer> it's a shared host. seen it before. chroot iirc.
[09:56] <dare2dreamer> seen a lot of it, three hosts now. pain in the tail, but he's a good host.
[09:56] <rubenv> a username shouldn't have an @ :)
[09:56] <dare2dreamer> you use an # as a substitute in logins
[09:56] <dare2dreamer> problem is, ssh honors it but nautilus doesn't.
[09:56] <dare2dreamer> just sits there, looking for love.
[09:57] <dare2dreamer> tried escaping it too, no dice.
[09:57] <dare2dreamer> user#host@host is a bitch to type on the line all the time. :-)
[09:57] <dare2dreamer> for ssh.
[09:58] <dare2dreamer> I kind of enjoy having things mounted to the filesystem as opposed to vfs though, can actually work with the files in question.
[09:58] <dare2dreamer> that "can see 'em but not hit 'em" thing nautilus does gets on my nerves.
[09:59] <dare2dreamer> oh, totally unrelated point to share, naim is the second worst irc client I've ever touched.
[10:01] <thoreauputic> dare2dreamer: OK I'll bite- whiach is the worst? ;)
[10:02] <dare2dreamer> lol. parachat. web-based thing, used java and irc, but restricted the servers such that you couldn't use any client but their pos java toy.
[10:03] <dare2dreamer> a website I frequented for a while used it before they found a contender that was equally bad...some flash garbage that made my eyes water to look at it
[10:04] <thoreauputic> hehe - I hate java stuff on the web - but then on dialup it's just painfully slow...
[10:04] <dare2dreamer> they told me, when I offered to host a chat server for free, that "we paid for this one so we could modify it" I just giggled and killed my membersip.
[10:04] <dare2dreamer> ouch. dial. I remember those days.
[10:04] <dare2dreamer> hey, I wonder what's worse, dialup or really bad 802.11b.
[10:04] <dare2dreamer> hey I ain't newskool, I upgraded.
[10:04] <thoreauputic> ;)
[10:05] <dare2dreamer> ok, you kicked it old skool.
[10:06] <Xyverz> good morning.
[10:06] <thoreauputic> hehe... my laptop is way more powerful than the mainframe they had back then...
[10:06] <dare2dreamer> a buddy of mine's dad has the best oldskool geek story. he and a few guys snuck into their work a number of years ago to steal some time on a photo-etcher...to make floppy drive controllers.
[10:06] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:07] <dare2dreamer> 8 inchers bay-bee.
[10:07] <aethyr> hi all, I did a warty install, and then afterwards changed my apt.sources to hoary, and did the whole "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" business
[10:07] <aethyr> however, it never changed over to xorg (it didn't even install xorg-server)
[10:07] <dare2dreamer> I told him, my friend and everyone in the room that I was handing over my madskillz hat
[10:07] <aethyr> is this normal? I thought xorg came with hoary?
[10:07] <thoreauputic> aethyr: doesn't sound right, no
[10:08] <dare2dreamer> hm. if you did it from within X, it might have not overwritten it because it was in use.
[10:08] <Xyverz> looks like mine is migrating now
[10:08] <Xyverz> I guess I should kill gdm, huh?
[10:08] <aethyr> err... well, now when I do apt-get dist-upgrade, it doesn't want to change anything :P
[10:09] <dare2dreamer> I do that serious crap from init 1.
[10:09] <thoreauputic> dare2dreamer: hmm.... thatb didn't happen when I upgraded xfree86 in debian a few months back
[10:09] <Xyverz> aethyr: you have universe (and maybe multiverse) in your sources?
[10:09] <aethyr> no
[10:10] <aethyr> I don't think I should have to though
[10:10] <Xyverz> dare2dreamer: heh.  can't do anything that requires networking from init1 unless you start your network manually.
[10:10] <aethyr> what determines how that switch gets made?
[10:10] <dare2dreamer> and this is an issue why?
[10:10] <Xyverz> aethyr: I'm just guessing, as well
[10:10] <aethyr> I don't quite understand apt :P   I use gentoo, there I know why stuff gets updated
[10:10] <dare2dreamer> ;-)
[10:10] <aethyr> the whole "apt-get dist-upgrade" seems vague and mysterous
[10:10] <dare2dreamer> no one understands apt, it's more of a worship thing.
[10:10] <Xyverz> dare2dreamer: one would assume network is needed for apt-get
[10:10] <Xyverz> ;)
[10:11] <dare2dreamer> oh bitch bitch. ;-)
[10:11] <Xyverz> hehehe
[10:11] <thoreauputic> dare2dreamer: well, why not just do everything with patch cords and vacuum tubes ;) ?
[10:11] <dare2dreamer>  /etc/init.d/networking restart && /etc/init.d/piss off ;-)
[10:11] <aethyr> well I guess a better way to rephrase it is, under what conditious would "apt-get dist-upgrade" want to install xserver-xorg ?
[10:11] <Xyverz> *sigh*
[10:11] <aethyr> I mean I know I can manually do "apt-get install xserver-xorg" but that takes away the point of apt-get dist-upgrade :P
[10:12] <Xyverz> oh hey!
[10:12] <Xyverz> there's my AIM buddy list
[10:12] <Xyverz> YAY
[10:12] <dare2dreamer> if I understand it, upgrade pulls in new packages with no additional packages and dist-upgrade is more like emerge world where it gets everything new.
[10:12] <Xyverz> jeez... 31% and still 35 minutes left do DL all packages.
[10:12] <dare2dreamer> of course I speak gentoo with an accent.
[10:13] <aethyr> yea, but what tells it to get xserver-xorg ?
[10:13] <dare2dreamer> so what's the running opinion, migrate to hoary or clean install? I'm old debian thinking, but I'm wary with all the stories I've been hearing.
[10:13] <Xyverz> upgrade will upgrade to the newest versions of installed packages.  dist-upgrade upgrades everything including all deps, I tihnk.
[10:13] <dare2dreamer> ubuntu-desktop metapackage I bet, aethyr....seems to track everything else.
[10:14] <Xyverz> dare2dreamer: I have no experience with ubuntu and upgrading.  this is my first try.  last time I did anything with ubuntu was on a previous install... I tried to install kde and farked everything up. heh.
[10:14] <aethyr> i.e. in gentoo it would be because either a) a package which is already installed wants xorg installed or b) xserver is marked deprecated and they change the virtuals to point to xorg
[10:14] <aethyr> dare2dreamer, I'll check there, thanks :)
[10:15] <dare2dreamer> np. I think it's both in this case, aethyr, because it is a fork. new version number and new "official" package.
[10:16] <Xyverz> oh sweet.  hoary's got gimp2.2
[10:16] <Xyverz> not that I'm good with gimp, but still... ;)
[10:16] <dare2dreamer> it's slickness. so, what are the gotchas on a warty-to-hoary upgrade?
[10:16] <FAST>  :(
[10:17] <dud> gimp 2.2 is so frikkin faster and much better than previously gimps
[10:17] <aethyr> dare2dreamer, it appears "apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop" will work. I'm going to kill X and try that, bbiab
[10:17] <dud> its amazing
[10:17] <dare2dreamer> aethyr, I actually knew something...yay me
[10:17] <FAST> i have X problems again :(...         has something to do with the nvidia drivers.     cant get the GUI login screen,   gives me the "no screens found" error message again. anyone else have problems with the nvidia drivers?
[10:18] <dare2dreamer> nope, mine work solid here. upgrade or new install?
[10:18] <Xyverz> FAST: did it work for you with the nv drivers?
[10:19] <FAST> i think i installed the drivers yesterday, but never restarted until tonight.   now i have problems :(
[10:19] <FAST> dare2dreamer, i must have installed them from apt-get
[10:19] <FAST> or something
[10:19] <dare2dreamer> if you kernel upgraded, you might need to get the new restricted module.
[10:20] <Xyverz> FAST: modprobe nvidia
[10:20] <FAST> i did kernel upgrade..... got a 686 batch
[10:20] <Xyverz> FAST: did you do the opengl-update nvidia ?
[10:20] <FAST> i dont think so
[10:20] <dare2dreamer> opengl-update?
[10:21] <Xyverz> I had problems until I did that
[10:21] <FAST> what do i do
[10:21] <dare2dreamer> thought it was nvidia-glx-enable or somesuch. what does the opengl-update do?
[10:21] <FAST> i did run  nvidia-glx-update in console, tried startx, no luck
[10:21] <FAST> er, enable
[10:22] <dare2dreamer> restart gdm and see if it flies?
[10:22] <FAST> whats the command to restart
[10:22] <FAST> gdm, that is
[10:22] <Xyverz> FAST: did you run nvidia-glx-config ?
[10:23] <FAST> dont think so
[10:23] <Xyverz> FAST: I'm still using the stock kernel though.
[10:23] <dare2dreamer> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:23] <thoreauputic> FAST: just sudo gdmI think
[10:23] <Xyverz> did 'apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings' then 'nvidia-glx-update' and restart x
[10:24] <dare2dreamer> I always call it from the script, because the restart will cleanly kill off any stragglers too
[10:24] <Xyverz> jesus.  I've now snagged almost 600 packages and it's to only 56%
[10:24] <Xyverz> wow
[10:24] <Xyverz> that's a lot for a dist-upgrade.
[10:24] <dare2dreamer> big update.
[10:24] <Xyverz> no kidding
[10:25] <dare2dreamer> I need to do one, but I'm holding off till after the weekend. got work to do
[10:25] <Xyverz> heh.  this is the spare disk in my Gentoo box
[10:25] <Xyverz> so I'm just futzing.
[10:25] <dare2dreamer> I'm still timid about going hoary.
[10:25] <FAST> any other suggestions if these dont work?        pain in the ass to have to keep rebooting and trying :\
[10:26] <Xyverz> well, it's not like this is my main install on that box.
[10:26] <Xyverz> so I'm not really all that concerned.
[10:26] <dare2dreamer> gotcha.
[10:26] <Xyverz> FAST: you try modprobing the nvidia module and restarting X?
[10:26] <Xyverz> FAST: is the module loaded?
[10:26] <dare2dreamer> ok, it's official, nx is a mystery. google returned my forum-posted questions on the subject.
[10:26] <FAST> nope, let me try that as well
[10:26] <Xyverz> FAST: you might also want to check all your settings for the card and disable everything that's not necessary in the config.
[10:26] <FAST> just  'modprobe nvidia' ?
[10:26] <Xyverz> should work.
[10:27] <Xyverz> FAST: if you installed the driver package from nvidia, you'll need to load the module upon reboot
[10:27] <Xyverz> you can write a script for that.
[10:27] <FAST> well, everything was working fine beforehand, i htink just the nvidia drivers installation cause problems.
[10:27] <Xyverz> or add it to your conf.modules
[10:27] <FAST> ok
[10:28] <dare2dreamer>  /etc/modules
[10:28] <aethyr> ok, last question for the evening
[10:28] <dare2dreamer> shoot
[10:28] <FAST> also, one more thing.  in case theyve been removed (might have been), what command can i run to  install all the nvidia packages
[10:28] <Xyverz> I just did apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
[10:28] <Xyverz> dunno which other packages provide.
[10:28] <dare2dreamer> mine never got uninstalled.
[10:29] <FAST> ok
[10:29] <aethyr> what's the "ubuntu way" to setup xorg?  I tried dpkg-reconfigure, but it doesn't get me the right default-resolution (I want 1280x1024 it's giving me 1024x768).  I know how to edit xorg.conf, but I'm trying to figure out the proper way to do it with this distribution.
[10:29] <aethyr> also, when I first installed ubuntu, all it asked me was what res I wanted, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg asks a ton of questions :P
[10:30] <dare2dreamer> I just tweaked mine by hand and got on with it. I think the ubuntu way is largely weighted on results.
[10:30] <thoreauputic> aethyr: you did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[10:30] <aethyr> thoreauputic, yup
[10:30] <thoreauputic> k
[10:30] <Xyverz> aethyr: cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[10:30] <Xyverz> ;)
[10:30] <aethyr> ok, so there's no "best way"
[10:30] <Kishu> hi
[10:30] <aethyr> I'll just do it by hand
[10:30] <Xyverz> aethyr: I have no idea, actually
[10:30] <thoreauputic> if you edit by hand, dpkg-reconfigure ceases to work
[10:31] <Kishu> can someone help me with the error when u get trying to dual boot with windows xp
[10:31] <dare2dreamer> we can try
[10:31] <thoreauputic> the file has a dire warning about it ;)
[10:31] <Kishu> "Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7" this is my error
[10:31] <dare2dreamer> aethr, you should be able to dpkg-reconfigure it.
[10:31] <Xyverz> thoreauputic: really?  I just change options around.  nothing major
[10:31] <dare2dreamer> same here.
[10:31] <FAST> well..... here it goes.
[10:31] <Xyverz> Kishu: what was the last command you did?
[10:31] <aethyr> thoreauputic, do you know why it would ask about 20x more questions using dpkg-reconfigure than it does during installation?
[10:31] <Kishu> i installed ubuntu
[10:32] <Xyverz> Kishu: are you getting that when you run grub or on reboot?
[10:32] <thoreauputic> aethyr: different priority setting
[10:32] <dare2dreamer> aethyr, probably because its reconfiguring without the benefit of autodetection
[10:32] <Kishu> Xyverz when i try to boot xp
[10:32] <aethyr> hm, seems shifty, ok, bbiab
[10:32] <thoreauputic> you can do dpkg-reconfigure -plow for example
[10:33] <dare2dreamer> plow?
[10:33] <martyr> Kishu: http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html
[10:33] <dare2dreamer> sounds...invasive.
[10:33] <Xyverz> Kishu: ugh.  hmmm
[10:33] <thoreauputic> prority low i guess
[10:33] <dare2dreamer> anything that wan't to plow me gets a higher priority in my humble estimation.
[10:33] <Xyverz> Kishu: no idea on my end.  but it sounds like grub didn't install nicely.
[10:33] <thoreauputic> dare2dreamer: heh - yes some commands are weird ;)
[10:34] <kzm> hi again.
[10:34] <Kishu> thanks martyr
[10:34] <dare2dreamer> indeed. my gf asked me the other day if this ubuntu thing was based on "deviant" linux.
[10:34] <Kishu> let me check that ljnk
[10:34] <jamin_l> hey guys... i'm a noob at the term command line stuff... is there a way to batch rename files?
[10:34] <kzm> Reinstalled to warty; let's see if it is better behaved than hoary
[10:34] <dare2dreamer> rename is a ood place to start
[10:34] <jamin_l> batch?
[10:34] <thoreauputic> dare2dreamer: classic!
[10:34] <kzm> jamin_l: what exactly did you want to do?
[10:34] <dare2dreamer> man rename, uses regex'es
[10:34] <dare2dreamer> thore, she's grand like that
[10:34] <jamin_l> i have a whole bunch of files that are named xxxx.mp3.OK
[10:35] <jamin_l> and i want to strip the .OK from them
[10:35] <Zindar> jamin: type this
[10:35] <eyequeue> man basename
[10:35] <Zindar> jamin: for f in *.mpg.OK; do mv $f ${f/.OK/}; done
[10:35] <thoreauputic> "Deviant Linux - for the man who wants all the options "
[10:35] <dare2dreamer> rename 's/OK//g' *
[10:35] <Zindar> ahh
[10:35] <Zindar> *.mp3.OK that should be
[10:36] <dare2dreamer> zindar, that dot is going to screw you.
[10:36] <dare2dreamer> .OK
[10:36] <Zindar> dare: why?
[10:36] <dare2dreamer> regex. better quote it
[10:36] <dare2dreamer> otherwise it wildcards to any character, iirc
[10:36] <Zindar> : [bagfors@zyrgelkwytng] $ ; ls -ltr *.mp3.OK
[10:36] <Zindar> -rw-r--r--    1 bagfors  bagfors         0 2005-02-03 10:36 apa.mp3.OK
[10:36] <Zindar> : [bagfors@zyrgelkwytng] $ ; for f in *.mp3.OK; do mv $f ${f/.OK}; done
[10:37] <Zindar> : [bagfors@zyrgelkwytng] $ ; ls -ltr *.mp3
[10:37] <Zindar> -rw-r--r--    1 bagfors  bagfors         0 2005-02-03 10:36 apa.mp3
[10:37] <jamin_l> ack how do you get out of man?
[10:37] <Zindar> works fine
[10:37] <Zindar> jamin:q
[10:37] <dare2dreamer> q
[10:37] <Xyverz> Deviant Linux, huh?
[10:37] <|ALLANON|> hi, how can i do the backup of the file of configutation of xorg?
[10:37] <jamin_l> okay good cuz the Esc wasn't doing anything :)
[10:37] <eyequeue> Zindar:  fwiw, that's a 0-byte file
[10:37] <dare2dreamer> ok, I'll shut my "gee I once wiped a bunch of files" trap.
[10:37] <|ALLANON|> heeelp
[10:37] <d3vic3> hmmm, my apt-get fails
[10:37] <Zindar> eye: I know.. just created it with "touch" to prove my point :)
[10:37] <thoreauputic> jamin_l: or a sex-change op...
[10:38] <d3vic3> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:38] <Xyverz> dare2dreamer: did you do the rm -rf ./* before as well?
[10:38] <aethyr> oh well, I edited it by hand, ok time for bed
[10:38] <d3vic3> how do I fix that ?
[10:38] <Xyverz> actually, I think it was the rm -rf .* that fucked the system up.
[10:38] <aethyr> thanks again all
[10:38] <jamin_l> thoreauputic: i'm quite happy n my gender thanks
[10:38] <Xyverz> 'cuz the .* removed everything starting with .
[10:38] <Xyverz> heh
[10:38] <thoreauputic> jamin_l: heh -me too ;)
[10:38] <kzm> I have one problem with warty, that worked under hoary...
[10:38] <dare2dreamer> no, but I did sudo chmod -R -x .* once, and only one.
[10:38] <Xyverz> g'nite aethyr
[10:39] <mdrjr> 690 upgraded, 142 newly installed, 18 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:39] <mdrjr> Need to get 462MB of archives.
[10:39] <mdrjr> hhe nice..
[10:39] <Zindar> dare: dot matches dot... so that's not a problem unless he has files that matches "mp3[^\.] OK$"
[10:39] <kzm> ...namely that I want to remap Alt-Tab to Win-Tab (since Alt is useful for apps, while Win is otherwise ignored)
[10:39] <jamin_l> although i actually do have a friend who is a transsexual going to do the sex change
[10:39] <dare2dreamer> kzm, xmodmap?
[10:39] <Sav> My sound is really low, i have all volumes set on max, but still my sound is very low. Any ideas?
[10:39] <kzm> But it doesn't quite work -- it pretends to change windows, but focus is still left with the old window, not changed to the new one
[10:39] <thoreauputic> jamin_l: pity he/she can't just type q :/
[10:39] <jamin_l> Sav: same here
[10:40] <kzm> dare2: xmodmap?  This is the 21st century, you know! :-)
[10:40] <Sav> jamesh, it sux =(
[10:40] <dare2dreamer> hey, color me old skool. I'll be in the corner with thoreau talking floppies.
[10:40] <kzm> dare2: the interface to keyboard shortcuts is actually pretty damned neat
[10:40] <kzm> if you pardon my french here
[10:40] <jamin_l> dare: what colour is old school these days
[10:41] <Xyverz> Mmmm, floppies.
[10:41] <liquidboy> how do i list all the mounted partitions?
[10:41] <liquidboy> or mounted disks?
[10:41] <Xyverz> thoreauputic: SSDD?
[10:41] <dare2dreamer> I know, I'm just annoyed that I had to learn gconftool to change my wallpaper.
[10:41] <Xyverz> or SSSD?
[10:41] <mdrjr> liquidboy, mount or df
[10:41] <eyequeue> liquidboy:  mount
[10:41] <dare2dreamer> mount, df, cat /etc/mtab
[10:41] <mdrjr> mount will show mounted partitions and df will show you mounted partitions used space.. free space.. total space..
[10:41] <mdrjr> you can also use df -h
[10:41] <thoreauputic> afk , back soon
[10:42] <mdrjr> will make things easier
[10:42] <dare2dreamer> -h (humane readable.);-)
[10:42] <liquidboy> i tried mounting a reiser partition and i got this: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb5,
[10:42] <liquidboy>        or too many mounted file systems
[10:42] <mdrjr> dare2dreamer, thank you! hehe that what was missing.
[10:42] <liquidboy> no other disks are mounted
[10:43] <aethyr> er I lied, one last question, is there a way (with dpkg or something) that you can see what packages depend on a given package?
[10:43] <FAST> didn't work :(            "modprobe nvidia" gave "module not found"           i did     "apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings" , tried again, still no module, couldnt start x,
[10:43] <dare2dreamer> you can view that in synaptic.
[10:43] <FAST> and   nvidia-glx-config wasn't found
[10:43] <rubenv> FAST: install the restricted modules package
[10:43] <thoreauputic> aethyr: apt-get depends
[10:43] <FAST> rubenv, how do i do that?
[10:43] <dare2dreamer> or that
[10:43] <eyequeue> aethyr:  apt-cache rdepends ?
[10:43] <rubenv> it's in the restricted repository
[10:43] <jamin_l> basename * [OK]  -- gives me too many args
[10:44] <FAST> i think ive added that repository already,      what command do i run ?
[10:44] <rubenv> are you on hoary or warty?
[10:44] <thoreauputic> oops apt-cache depends
[10:44] <jamin_l> can someone give me a sample of how this damned thing works?
[10:44] <FAST> warty
[10:44] <aethyr> thoreauputic, apt-get depends isn't a real command ;)
[10:44] <thoreauputic> aethyr: indeed
[10:44] <rubenv> apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<arch>
[10:44] <aethyr> nor is rdepends
[10:44] <rubenv> replace <arch> by i686 or i386 depending on what kernel you have
[10:45] <FAST> i686
[10:45] <rubenv> and do it with sudo ;)
[10:45] <FAST> ok
[10:45] <kzm> Anybody have problems with Wlan (old hermes/orinoco card, used to work perfectly)?  It probes and shows up in iwconfig, but doesn't manage to connect to AP.
[10:45] <rubenv> after that, you'll be able to modprobe for nvidia
[10:45] <FAST> and in case i havent got that repository, what should i run to add it ?
[10:45] <FAST> ok
[10:45] <thoreauputic> aethyr: apt-cache depends "foo" works
[10:45] <eyequeue> aethyr:  apt-cache rdepends works fine here
[10:45] <aethyr> whoops, I screwed up
[10:46] <aethyr> you're right, it works
[10:46] <aethyr> I did apt-get rdepends
[10:46] <aethyr> thanks
[10:46] <aethyr> :)
[10:46] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: interesting - what bis the difference from just "depends" ?
[10:46] <thoreauputic> *is
[10:46] <rubenv> rdepends is reverse afaik
[10:46] <jamin_l> how the frell does basename work?
[10:46] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  yours doesn't give what he wants :)
[10:46] <FAST> rubenv: and in case i havent got that restricted repository, what should i run to add it ?
[10:46] <thoreauputic> aha
[10:47] <rubenv> FAST: the extra repository is named restricted
[10:47] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  yours tells what packages foo needs, not what packages need foo
[10:47] <rubenv> just add it at the end of your deb line that contains main
[10:47] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: ah, wrong again... premature alzheimers I fear..
[10:47] <Xyverz> holy crap, 809 packages for this dist-upgrade
[10:47] <eyequeue> thoreauputic:  no sweat, i've got worse here
[10:48] <thoreauputic> ok gotcha
[10:48] <rubenv> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted
[10:48] <thoreauputic> eyequeue: I learn something new each day.... and all that cliche stuff ;)
[10:48] <FAST> rubenv: after i do modprobe nvidia,  what should i do?      if it finds the nvidia module... can i just startx ?
[10:49] <rubenv> if your X configuration is ok, yes
[10:49] <FAST> ok.  haven't touched the x config...    time to go try this.        thanks
[10:49] <dare2dreamer> back in a few.
[10:50] <rose> hello all - I tried various linux a couple of years ago until I messed up bootloader and had a major crash - now ready to try again
[10:50] <rose> what is ubuntu like in dual boot with windows
[10:50] <rubenv> rose: good luck, ubuntu is a good choice
[10:51] <rubenv> does it perfect, just watch out you don't overwrite your windows partitions while installing
[10:51] <rose> thanks rubenv - is it the disc partioning easy
[10:51] <thoreauputic> rose: should be fine - you might need to edit /etc/fstab for full access
[10:52] <jamin_l> ok basename does absolutely nothing
[10:52] <rose> I'm a windows user thoreauputic - nervous with command line but have used it
[10:52] <rubenv> rose: it's okay, if you use your brain, nothing can go wrong
[10:52] <thoreauputic> rose: it's a one-liner: not hard
[10:53] <rose> rubenv - I think I found before that so long as I took my time would be okay
[10:53] <kzm> kzm: Okay, it wasn't so hard. Just get into the Windows mindset, and configure eth1 to use wireless from the nice dialog you find in the menu.  Thanks!
[10:53] <rubenv> thoreauputic: doesn't g-v-m does this automatically?
[10:53] <thoreauputic> rose: there's stuff on ubuntulinux.org about all you ned to know
[10:53] <rose> is lilo or grub best with ubuntu?
[10:53] <rubenv> rose: ubuntu uses grub automatically
[10:53] <kzm> Anybody know how to set up Gnome in general to use Unix'y keys? (Ctrl-a to beginning of line, Ctrl-k to cut the rest, etc etc)?
[10:54] <rose> okay thor - will go back there - started looking then thought I'd get more info - was thinking mandrake would be easy for me
[10:55] <rubenv> rose: go for ubuntu :)
[10:55] <thoreauputic> rose: easy yes - but ubuntu is very cool :)
[10:55] <rubenv> causes less pain then mandrake
[10:55] <|ALLANON|> help : i'm using ubuntu hoary and have downloaded xorg-driver-fglrx ....how can i install the acceletation for ati radeon 9800 ????
[10:55] <rubenv> ubuntu just works
[10:55] <rubenv> |ALLANON|: have you checked the binary driver howto on the wiki?
[10:55] <rose> mandrake is very big I think - want something smaller for personal use
[10:56] <|ALLANON|> i uused synaptic
[10:56] <FAST> woohoo, it worked. thanks rubenv !
[10:56] <rubenv> FAST: no prob, spread the love :-)
[10:56] <rose> what about hardware compatibility?
[10:56] <rubenv> |ALLANON|: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:56] <rubenv> rose: probably the best around AFAIK
[10:57] <rose> rubenv - that sounds good - I may have to get a modem as have winmodem in box
[10:58] <|ALLANON|> rubenv: the online help if for server-xfree
[10:58] <rubenv> try checking the wiki
[10:58] <rose> oh - and is it okay in dual boot with winXP
[10:58] <rubenv> maybe it has info about your modem
[10:58] <rubenv> |ALLANON|: it's the same, the online help also applies to xorg
[11:00] <Sav> My sound works fine, but the volume is very low. I have all settings on max. Any ideas?
[11:00] <jamin_l> anyone good here at creating shell scripts?
[11:00] <jamin_l> brb - have to check on potatoes in the oven
[11:05] <Dreamer3> anyone know how to make m3u files online work?
[11:05] <Dreamer3> i'm trying to listen to some music from magnatune.com, but with no success
[11:05] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: I installed gstreamer0.8-mad, from memeory
[11:06] <thoreauputic> works fine with rhythmbox, xmms etc
[11:06] <jamin_l> that and isn't there a codec32 thing you have to download?
[11:06] <jamin_l> or windows codecs?
[11:07] <jamin_l> ah w32codecs
[11:07] <thoreauputic> hmm - for windows media, yeah - I just listen to mp3/shoutcast etc
[11:07] <jamin_l> that might have what he's looking for
[11:07] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: i can't get xmms to do anything with it
[11:07] <thoreauputic> and I use ogg for ripping..
[11:08] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: what am i missing
[11:08] <jamin_l> dreamer do you have the w32codecs packages installed?
[11:08] <jamin_l> that's in Synaptic Package Manager
[11:08] <Dreamer3> jamin_l: these are mp3 files
[11:08] <Dreamer3> jamin_l: but yes i do
[11:08] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: dunno - mine is fine with just gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:08] <Dreamer3> m3u is just a playlist
[11:09] <Dreamer3> i know xmms can do this, i just don't knwo what i'm missing
[11:09] <jamin_l> totem-xine supports it
[11:09] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: try putting a .pls extension on the playlist
[11:09] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: they are on a webserver
[11:09] <Dreamer3> i just want to click them and have them work
[11:09] <thoreauputic> I did that for some stuff
[11:10] <thoreauputic> save the file and edit it ( the direction file) ie copy the link
[11:10] <thoreauputic> then tell firefox touse yourplayer of choice'
[11:11] <thoreauputic> e.g. I'm using rhythmbox as the default app
[11:11] <thoreauputic> once you have it set up, clicking will "just work"
[11:12] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: hmmm
[11:12] <thoreauputic> no good?
[11:12] <koxbox_> hello... some powerpc useres here ??
[11:12] <thoreauputic> it's just a matter of choosing an app when firefox pops up a box asking what to open it with
[11:13] <sami005> ya pas quelqune qui parle francais
[11:13] <thoreauputic> koxbox_: very recent, yes (iBook G4)
[11:13] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: hmmmmmmmmm
[11:13] <thoreauputic> sami005: un peu, oui
[11:13] <koxbox_> thoreauputic: i damaged my apt sources.list
[11:14] <koxbox_> thoreauputic: can you help me out and post it for me in a query ??
[11:14] <thoreauputic> koxbox_: back it up, then run sudo apt-setup
[11:14] <sami005> on peut parlker en pv
[11:14] <Dreamer3> ok, now it's working :)
[11:14] <thoreauputic> koxbox_: you want a copy of my source.list?
[11:15] <koxbox_> thoreauputic: did apt-setup get me  a new...
[11:15] <sami005> yes
[11:15] <thoreauputic> koxbox_: I have universe and multiverse enabled
[11:15] <smsmasters> hi, which mysql package do u download
[11:16] <smsmasters> mysql-common, mysql-client or mysql-server
[11:16] <smsmasters> ?
[11:16] <zeedo> that depends
[11:16] <zeedo> do you need the client or the server ?
[11:17] <smsmasters> im running apache2
[11:17] <smsmasters> what is the client
[11:17] <smsmasters> i just need a mysql database
[11:17] <zeedo> client is the tools for connecting to and controlling mysql server
[11:17] <zeedo> ifok, get both then :)
[11:17] <koxbox_> thoreauputic: one other is the pu clock... it shows me 553 mhz.. but i have 867...
[11:17] <smsmasters> would i need it
[11:17] <zeedo> smsmasters: probably yeh
[11:17] <smsmasters> whats the command to start mysql
[11:17] <koxbox_> thoreauputic: you got the same problem ?
[11:18] <thoreauputic> koxbox_: the cpu varies with load
[11:18] <thoreauputic> koxbox_: feature, not a bug :)
[11:19] <thoreauputic> koxbox_: I'm offering you a sources list - got it?
[11:19] <koxbox_> thoreauputic: yes on debiaan sarge i got the same ... but i found some to make it right
[11:19] <thoreauputic> it *is* right ;)
[11:19] <thoreauputic> leave it alone...
[11:20] <jamin_l> ok if anyone here is good with shell scripts here's one for you
[11:20] <jamin_l> Zindar  suggested "for f in *.mp3.OK; do mv $f ${f/.OK}; done" to rename files x.mp3.OK to x.mp3  which appears to work -- is there anyway to script this so it'll work recursively through directories?
[11:21] <thoreauputic> koxbox_: my dcc offer aborted with a time out.. run apt-setup as I suggested
[11:23] <BP-Joshua>  #Beta-Projects seeking more members for the OpenSource Software Developing Community!
[11:27] <scizzo> smsmasters: sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start
[11:27] <scizzo> smsmasters: or something like that
[11:28] <Madeye> salam
[11:29] <koxbox_> thoreauputic: apt works ... thx
[11:29] <thoreauputic> koxbox_: heh- you're welcome
[11:29] <thoreauputic> :)
[11:30] <koxbox_> thoreauputic: ;-)
[11:31] <PWM> ok, so I wanted to install the newest version of firestarter (firewall), but it depends on a lot of other packages... how can I install those? I know I can use synaptic, but it doesn't have the newest version of firestarter...
[11:31] <dud> apt-get build-deps firestarter
[11:32] <PWM> I'll try that, thanks :)
[11:32] <kzm> jamin_l: replace "for f in *.mp3.OK" with "for f in `find . -name \*.mp3.OK`"
[11:32] <kzm> don't forget the backticks!
[11:33] <thoreauputic> goodnight all
[11:34] <Jelte> hi there... anyone here familiar/good with wine?
[11:34] <jamin_l> kzm: can you explain that to me?
[11:35] <Sav> My sound works fine, but the volume is very low. I have all settings on max. Any ideas?
[11:35] <Jelte> i can't seem to get the path in wine to be right...   i can start something like  wine i:/somedir/someapp.exe  but not  as  wine /somedir/someapp.exe  even though i: is in my path?
[11:35] <jamin_l> Jelte: lol first i thought you were talking about the alcohol version of wine :)
[11:35] <Jelte> jamin_l, hehehe... bit too early for that one! ;-)
[11:37] <jamin_l> Jelte: depends where you live
[11:37] <jamin_l> here: it's 02:37
[11:37] <Jelte> jamin_l, its 10.37 am here in London ;-)
[11:38] <jamin_l> yes i see that :)
[11:38] <PWM> dud, when I try typing "apt-get build-deps firestarter" it says "invalid operation build-deps"
[11:38] <jamin_l> London... more UK again
[11:38] <jamin_l> btw.... i work for eBay UK from Vancouver, Canada
[11:38] <Jelte> you make it sound like a bad thing! ;-)
[11:38] <dud> build-dep then?
[11:39] <Xyverz> nifty
[11:39] <dud> sorry, build-dep yes
[11:39] <Xyverz> I upgraded to hoary and X won't load now.
[11:39] <Xyverz> :-/
[11:39] <jamin_l> well Brits are weird
[11:39] <jamin_l> woah... meow-in-sync here from 2 cats when i looked at them that was freaky
[11:40] <PWM> dud, thanks a lot... it seems to work now :)
[11:40] <dud> np
[11:41] <prego> I need some advanced help with a usb Flash Hard Drive. It is a 1Gb "Mini Pend Drive 2.0". It has a password protection feature (Windows only), which I have not used. However, the drive maps /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2. The data is available through /dev/sda2 but the fdisk command sees strange partition table in those devices... I wish to create partitions on the drive, so I'm puzzled about how to do that...
[11:41] <kzm> jamin_l: sorry, was away a sec.  backticks expand to the result of the command between them
[11:41] <kzm> jamin_l: try echo `ls` vs echo ls
[11:42] <kzm> jamin_l: and try the find command on its own
[11:43] <prego> the fact of having that strange partition table comes from the password protection feature....
[11:43] <smsmasters> ok, im in terminal, how do i change root password of mysql
[11:43] <jamin_l> ahhhh brain imploding!
[11:45] <smsmasters> ?
[11:45] <rose> does ubuntu partition the hard disc easily
[11:46] <pdamoc> hello
[11:46] <rose> perhaps I could say - for the newbie - is it easy to follow
[11:46] <zeedo> rose: sort of
[11:46] <jamin_l> on install? yes...
[11:46] <prego> smsmasters, I guess (what I did time ago with postgres and RH7.x) that you shoud: sudo su - mysql    and then passwd
[11:47] <zeedo> its easier than most distros, but nothing compared to how mandrake does it
[11:47] <jamin_l> then again i'm the moron who had to reinstall Ubuntu 3x to get it to work :)
[11:47] <rose> I tried mandrake a couple years ago
[11:47] <prego> rose, however I don't know if you can shrink existing partitions
[11:47] <pdamoc> problem: I downloaded a Hoary snapshot (2005-feb-02) and tried to install it in vmware... BUT it doesn't recognise the virtual HDD...
[11:47] <rose> do you use command line
[11:47] <zeedo> rose: nah its curses based menu
[11:48] <rose> prego - at the mo I am running winXP with just whatever partition that has
[11:48] <jamin_l> i use command line when i want to implode my brain :)
[11:48] <jamin_l> but it has a great GUI (windows & point-n-click interface)
[11:49] <prego> rose, can you forget of your winXP (delete ALL of the HD data) ?
[11:49] <prego> rose, and install it after?
[11:49] <rose> I do get nervous with command line - but also see how powerful it can be
[11:49] <zeedo> rose: thats the main problem ubuntu has, it should be able to resize the XP partition but atm it doesn't :-(
[11:49] <rose> haven't instlle winXP - computer came preinstalled prego
[11:50] <zeedo> rose: use a partition resizing tool such as partition mgic before hand
[11:50] <jamin_l> if you're not a gamer than you can get by without it i find
[11:50] <smsmasters> that mysql command didnt work
[11:50] <prego> rose, I agree with zeedo, AFAIK
[11:50] <rose> zedo - hmm yes I think a friend did that for me some years ago on old system
[11:50] <zeedo> rose: best idea, apart from a second hdd
[11:50] <pdamoc> any ideas?..... I didn't have this problem installing Warty....
[11:51] <rose> okay prego - guess that means some more reading for me
[11:51] <prego> rose, once the XP partition is resized, in ubuntu you can fill the rest of the HD with the partitions you wish
[11:51] <rose> so - I would partition the hard drive then reinstall winXP and ubuntu
[11:52] <prego> rose, on the other hand, if you have the XP CDs and license, ..., and you have not personal data on the HD, you can delete the partition at ubuntu and define it all
[11:52] <jamin_l> or just burn personal data to CD/DVDs
[11:52] <jamin_l> or 10-zillion floppies
[11:52] <Xyverz> hmmm
[11:52] <rose> yeah I have photos and any other important stuff backed up
[11:52] <Xyverz> X is fux0r3d after upgrading to hoary.  heh.
[11:52] <Xyverz> fun.
[11:53] <prego> rose, check it twice before ;-)
[11:53] <rose> but have heard winXP is a bastard to install
[11:53] <jamin_l> it's even more of one to live with
[11:53] <rose> :-)
[11:53] <prego> Xyverz, hoary has Xorg instead of XFree....
[11:53] <altan> I'm having issues with the nvidia driver locking up my computer about 60-300 seconds into X (XFree on Warty) when I start using things. Didn't try OpenGL apps yet, it crashes on everything.
[11:54] <rose> haven;t had the crashes with it that I used to have all the time with win95
[11:54] <altan> The strange thing is, the mouse cursor keeps moving - but nothing respons and caps lock / num lock do not work. CTRL + ALT + Backspace or CTRL+ALT+Del do not work either.
[11:54] <jamin_l> hey but Ubuntu, no more virus scanning, spyware scanning
[11:54] <rose> but do think that if I could get over my fear of the command line that linux would be better long term
[11:54] <Hannes_> fear of command line?
[11:55] <Xyverz> prego: I know that.  prego I'm having problems running X on hoary.
[11:55] <Xyverz> I'm tempted to copy my gentoo xorg config over.
[11:55] <altan> I first tried with nvidia-glx from universe, then I tried debian unstable's latest nvidia drivers with a freshly compiled kernel
[11:55] <rose> worry I might mess everything up
[11:55] <Xyverz> even running xorgcfg fails.
[11:55] <Xyverz> all I get is a black screen
[11:55] <altan> Xyverz, try xorgconfig
[11:55] <Xyverz> 'cuz dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg don't help
[11:55] <prego> have to go. Bye.... :-((
[11:55] <Xyverz> altan: I might try that
[11:56] <stvn> hi, I got a weird network problem: windows work but ubuntu fails on  SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable (*after* recieving it's ip with dhcp) any suggestions?
[11:56] <rose> anyway - prego - what you're saying is - if no necessary data and I lose it accidentally - to install ubuntu first and then winXP?
[11:56] <stvn> windows does get a connection i mean
[11:56] <altan> anyway, the card I have is a GeForce 3 Ti200 - it's good on FreeBSD with nvidia drivers, and it's... quirky on Windows XP
[11:57] <altan> I black out for a few seconds sometimes on WXP, and sometimes after the blackouts some graphics are corrupted until I reset the resolution - it worked fine when I used to have it 2 years ago, and it worked fine in my friend's computer
[11:57] <altan> but it works flawlessly with FreeBSD. I'm wondering if the "quirkiness" can be causing the nvidia driver to crash
[11:59] <rose> thanks people bye for now
[12:00] <Xyverz> altan: thx, that worked.
[12:00] <altan> np. wish I could fix my problem though :/
[12:02] <jamin_l> okay now that my problem is half-fixed... i'm going to bed
[12:04] <Sav> My sound works fine, but the volume is very low. I have all settings on max. Any ideas?
[12:05] <odyssey> hi i im a little stuck. open gl is only detecting my apg to a 1 speed when in fact its a 4. Any ideas?
[12:05] <Nermal> you using kernel agpgart or nvidia ?
[12:05] <Nermal> Sav, checked them all in aumix or something similar ?
[12:05] <Nermal> is it a 5.1 card ?
[12:06] <Sav> Nermal, yes i have checked, not its not 5.1
[12:06] <Nermal> hmm
[12:08] <kzm> Anybody have a nice guide on modding XF86config for nvidia driver
[12:09] <mdrjr> www.nvidia.com
[12:09] <mdrjr> they have a nice README
[12:09] <mdrjr> ;)
[12:09] <robust_> I have been using gentoo with raid0 and no im about to try ubuntu. Is there someway to activate my raid0 disks in the setup so i can install on them?
[12:09] <kzm> mdrja: Okay.  Nothing Ubuntu-specific, I take it
[12:09] <kzm> ^a^r
[12:10] <mdrjr> yep.. it's explain how to modify your XF86Config or Xorg.conf
[12:11] <kzm> On Gentoo, patches were applied that let it work with sw suspend etc. Something similar on Ubuntu?  Or does the default nvidia driver work?
[12:11] <Nermal> kzm, should work out of the box with acpiu
[12:12] <Nermal> just do echo 4 >/proc/acpi/sleep
[12:12] <Nermal> and make sure resume=/dev/<swappartition> is in your kernel parameters
[12:12] <kzm> nermal: hmm...I used to "echo mem > /sys/power/state"
[12:14] <Nermal> kzm, thats the same thing, but the 2.6 way :)
[12:14] <Nermal> that works out of the box with me on hoary
[12:14] <kzm> Oh.
[12:14] <Nermal> not sure about warty
[12:14] <Nermal> ndiswrapper wasn't too happy when resumed though ;)
[12:15] <kzm> Well - I've made the suggested changes (nv->nvidia, #GLcore,dri)
[12:15] <kzm> So if I'm not back in fifteen minutes, you'll have to come look for me :-)
[12:15] <Nermal> lol
[12:16] <mdrjr> unless you did something wrong it will work fine.
[12:16] <mdrjr> always work for me
[12:17] <robust_> Is there someone herer that have install ubuntu on a previous raid0 setup ?
[12:17] <robust_> I'm feeling alittle nervous about loosing all my data
[12:17] <mdrjr> robust_, do you have the raid0 setup ok ?
[12:18] <mdrjr> if you have it working on another distro you can easily mount it on ubuntu.
[12:18] <robust_> yeah , i'm using gentoo and raid0 works fine and has been for months
[12:18] <robust_> ok
[12:18] <mdrjr> Ubuntu has an option on it's install to install over raid
[12:19] <robust_> i have two raid0 setups and i want to delete one (it contains gentoo and my system files) and create a new raid0 and install ubuntu on that one .. will that work?
[12:19] <robust_> Or maybe there is a option for formating the raid0 system drives +
[12:19] <robust_> ?
[12:19] <mdrjr> I think so.
[12:19] <mdrjr> you will see your raid arrays on ubuntu install
[12:20] <robust_> hopefully it will work ;>
[12:20] <mdrjr> it will
[12:20] <robust_> mdrjr, are using amd64 ?
[12:20] <robust_> you .
[12:20] <mdrjr> nope
[12:20] <robust_> ok
[12:21] <mdrjr> mine is an Atlhon XP 3000+
[12:21] <robust_> I was thinking about installing a 32bit chroot and wanted to talk with someone with alittle experience
[12:21] <mdrjr> well.. get the amd64 version
[12:22] <mdrjr> and try to boot it.. if it works and find's all of your hardware
[12:22] <mdrjr> then it's ok to install.
[12:22] <robust_> Now it's time .. wish me luck , and if it works out i'll be back ;<
[12:22] <mdrjr> good luck!
[12:23] <kzm> Wheeee!
[12:23] <mdrjr> kzm, working ?
[12:24] <kzm> Umm...yes...yes, but
[12:24] <dud> universitet i bergen....
[12:24] <kzm> hm?
[12:24] <kbrooks> i have a question:
[12:25] <kzm> mouse seems a bit erratic
[12:25] <dud> your host....
[12:25] <kbrooks> the screen resolution here is too big
[12:25] <kbrooks> how do i change it
[12:25] <mdrjr> Computer/System Configuration
[12:25] <mdrjr> and click on Screen Resolution
[12:25] <mdrjr> :)
[12:27] <kbrooks> er
[12:27] <mdrjr> kzm: did you see the nvidia logo on X start ?
[12:27] <kbrooks> i dont see the computer menu anywhere
[12:28] <kbrooks> n/m
[12:28] <kbrooks> ummm..i cant change the resolution.
[12:30] <kzm> mdrjr, yes, and Tuxracer works nicely
[12:30] <kzm> I think my problems are with upgrading (and dist-upgrading) warty
[12:30] <mdrjr> tuxracer eh?
[12:30] <kzm> :-)  OpenGL test.  And a cute game
[12:31] <mdrjr> **apt-getting it**
[12:31] <kzm> anyway, most stuff seems to work.  When I tried hoary previously, the mouse was very erratic
[12:31] <BeTa> hi,I'm looking for a nice integration into the ubuntu (gnome) GUI of PPPoE configuration (in the network configuration tool for example)
[12:32] <BeTa> is there anything to do that ?
[12:32] <kbrooks> whaat is the name of the xorg package in hoary
[12:32] <mjg59> xserver-xorg
[12:34] <kbrooks> thanks
[12:35] <tuxJr_14> hi
[12:37] <kbrooks> ok
[12:37] <BeTa> anyone knows a great and integrated tool to configure PPPoE on an ubuntu ?
[12:37] <kbrooks> can i remove xserver-xfree86?
[12:37] <kbrooks> is it possible?
[12:37] <mdrjr> BeTa, pppoeconf
[12:37] <mdrjr> sudo pppoeconf
[12:38] <kbrooks> mdrjr, gui
[12:38] <BeTa> yep... but pppoeconf is text-based
[12:38] <mdrjr> pppoeconf is nice and easy to use
[12:38] <BeTa> there is no problem for me
[12:38] <tuxJr_14> kbrooks, yes
[12:38] <mdrjr> so.. what's the big deal.. it will ask you .. you answer and get your connection working
[12:38] <BeTa> but this is for friends who are really not aware about compting
[12:38] <kbrooks> without affecting xorg
[12:38] <mdrjr> and we should go out to drink
[12:39] <BeTa> is pppoeconf in the install CD ?
[12:39] <mdrjr> yep!
[12:39] <BeTa> or do we have to install it by hand ?
[12:39] <tuxJr_14> kbrooks, you have both on the same machine?!
[12:39] <BeTa> all right
[12:39] <mdrjr> it's installed by default
[12:39] <K-Rich> the desktop in Warty there is an option 'Create Document' that has 'No Templates Installed' and 'Empy File' ... Where is the folder i add templates to ?
[12:39] <BeTa> I have another question about the install CD's content : is gimp-print on this CD ?
[12:40] <kbrooks> tuxJr_14, yeah. apparently the upgrade didnt conflict with xserver-xfree86
[12:40] <mdrjr> i'm not that familiar with GIMP
[12:40] <BeTa> gimp-print are printing drivers
[12:40] <mdrjr> hmm
[12:40] <mdrjr> let's see
[12:40] <BeTa> nothing related to gimp except of the origin of the project
[12:40] <jouke> is it possible to store your route-table somewhere? my dhcp-server gives a faulty routetable and i want to override it
[12:40] <BeTa> I'm sorry to ask this kind of question... but I don't have any ubuntu CD here :c/
[12:41] <tuxJr_14> is it possible to download the whole ubuntu repository on to a dvd or some no. of cds?
[12:41] <tuxJr_14> kbrooks, then, uninstall xfree and reinstall xorg
[12:42] <kbrooks> tuxJr_14, xfree is not installed, i checked
[12:42] <kbrooks> i'll reboot.
[12:42] <zhukov_> Hiello
[12:43] <mdrjr> i think that gimp is working
[12:43] <mdrjr> and printing stuff too
[12:43] <mdrjr> I'm printing a image on my HP Deskjet 930C
[12:44] <mdrjr> Yep.. it's worked. and nice
[12:45] <jouke> anybody knows how to manipulate routetables?
[12:45] <mdrjr> jouke, what you wanna do ?
[12:46] <jouke> mdrjr, I want to store my working route table
[12:46] <mdrjr> but you use dhcp right ?
[12:47] <jouke> mdrjr, everytime I reboot my route table is fcked and internet doesn't work anymore
[12:47] <jouke> yep
[12:47] <mdrjr> you wanna store just your default route ?
[12:47] <jouke> yep
[12:47] <mdrjr> oh guy
[12:47] <BeTa> mdrjr: gimp-print is on the install CD ? great ! :c)
[12:47] <mdrjr> BeTa, yep. it is.
[12:47] <PWM> hmm, if I want to edit the /ect/acpi/power.sh file don'
[12:47] <mdrjr> jouke, add to your /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[12:47] <BeTa> mdrjr: thanks !*
[12:48] <PWM> shouldn't I just type "sudo" in front of it?
[12:48] <mdrjr> supersede routers the.correct.IP.that.you.want;
[12:49] <mdrjr> BeTa, you're welcome.
[12:49] <zhukov_> anyone wth hoary!????
[12:49] <zhukov_> Can run alsamixer
[12:49] <zhukov_> ant
[12:49] <zhukov_> *sheisse CANT!
[12:49] <jouke> mdrjr, thanks
[12:50] <mdrjr> jouke, you are welcome too.
[12:50] <K-Rich> the desktop in Warty there is an option 'Create Document' that has 'No Templates Installed' and 'Empy File' ... Where is the folder i add templates to ?
[12:50] <mdrjr> well.. 10am.. time to sleep
[12:51] <zhukov_> Nobody?
[12:51] <kzm> zhukov: I used to, but reinstalled warty.  That answer your question? :-)
[12:51] <zhukov_> :S
[12:51] <mdrjr> zhukov_, i'm updating to hoary right now
[12:51] <jdub> zhukov_: heaps of people with hoary, easier to ask your question straight up
[12:52] <zhukov_> mdrjr, last night i was here with snarky trying to fix the sound problems
[12:52] <kzm> Q: how do I edit the menus?  Some things can be accessed by right click, but e.g. "places" cannot, it seems.
[12:52] <jdub> kzm: you can't
[12:52] <zhukov_> i've managed to play sound with xine and dvds, etc, but xmms is still crashing
[12:52] <kzm> jdub: can't?  That's a pretty strong word (two, actually.  Fear and surprise and...)
[12:52] <Hannes_> you can
[12:53] <jdub> kzm: not graphically
[12:53] <Hannes_> by edithing .display or something...
[12:53] <jdub> kzm: you have to edit .desktop files directly, etc.
[12:53] <mdrjr> menu's aren't build on the source code. so they must be on some file some where on your file system
[12:53] <mdrjr> s/build/built
[12:54] <zhukov_> managed to play a cd as root
[12:54] <zhukov_> trying an ogg
[12:54] <Hannes_> edit /usr/share/applications/.desktop
[12:54] <kzm> In ~/.gnome2/panel2.d/default/launchers, I guess?
[12:55] <jdub> kzm: no, that's the panel launchers
[12:55] <zhukov_> its with oggs nd mp3
[12:55] <jdub> kzm: read the xdg menu spec
[12:55] <zhukov_> anyone knows how controls oggs and mp3 in here?
[12:55] <jdub> kzm: don't edit the stuff in /usr/share/applications/ though
[12:55] <kzm> xdg menu spec, got it.  Google next?
[12:56] <kzm> ogg123 worked for me (ogg vorbis stream over http)
[12:58] <terry> Is Evolution Broken in Hoary??
[12:59] <odyssey> boolean variables in config files for true is yes ok?
[01:00] <zeedo> odyssey: 1
[01:00] <jdub> terry: yes
[01:01] <terry> DOH
[01:02] <kzm> terry: it broke rather nastily when I tried to upgrade from warty, at any rate
[01:02] <odyssey> zeedo, thanks
[01:02] <terry> kzm, same here, I get a floating point exception
[01:02] <kzm> about menus again - I'm able to add "main menu" and "custom menu" to the panel
[01:03] <zhukov_> hmmm
[01:03] <kzm> terry: oh, in my case, the dist-upgrade failed entirely.  A mess.
[01:03] <Zindar> hey.. jdub... do you know anything about martin who is working at canonical for a SCM system?
[01:03] <zhukov_> appearetly the problem is with some programs
[01:03] <Zindar> jdub: does that mean it's NOT bazaar?
[01:03] <kzm> ...but it's not obvious where it gets the menu information?  Okay, I can do some more reading....
[01:03] <zhukov_> anyone knows were to configure the xmms and totem sound configurations?
[01:03] <terry> kzm, oh mines not that bad
[01:04] <terry> kzm, I just researched that, it is in /usr/share/gnome/vfolders
[01:04] <terry> kzm, some of it is in that folder in XML documents
[01:05] <jdub> Zindar: it's bazaar-ng :)
[01:05] <terry> kzm, however I havent found out how it pulls that all together in a Menu
[01:05] <jdub> terry: that's the old menu system
[01:06] <terry> jdub, ohh I see
[01:06] <Zindar> jdub: and that will be compatible with tla or not?
[01:06] <Zindar> jdub: he says that he doesn't think arch is a good foundation to build on.... and I agree...
[01:06] <jdub> Zindar: most likely not, it's quite a different beast in a way
[01:06] <jdub> well
[01:06] <jdub> it's very much inspired by arch
[01:06] <Zindar> great..
[01:07] <jdub> but most people think tla == arch
[01:07] <Zindar> sure.. that's good .. since arch is good... but way to complex :)... at least it's tla implementation
[01:07] <jdub> see, that's the problem
[01:07] <jdub> *tla* is complex
[01:07] <Zindar> exactly
[01:07] <deepsight> hallou, has anyone tried to get a external hd through usb working with ubuntu warty warhog?
[01:08] <Zindar> this is soo great... I'm not a big fan of tla at all.. but I love darcs... but it has some problems...
[01:08] <mz2> deepsight, should work fine?
[01:08] <jdub> little of that complexity is defined in the arch mechanics
[01:08] <terry> deepsight, warty automatically mounts my USB pen
[01:08] <jdub> Zindar: try bazaar
[01:08] <Zindar> maybe he/canonical will create the perfect match of arch/tla:s stuff and darcs
[01:08] <zhukov_> wahts the ****** difference of alsa and oss???
[01:09] <mz2> firewire hd's don't seem to work hotplugged but usb should work just fine
[01:09] <Zindar> jdub: I have tried it... couldn't find much documentation that wasn't based on "how to convert from tla"... and since I don't like and know tla that good it didn't help me
[01:09] <kzm> Back again.  So - in nautilus, I can open applications:// and computer://, but they don't correspond entirely to what I see in the menus.  I'm not sure the help docs are entirely updated?
[01:09] <jdub> zhukov_: alsa is the new kernel sound driver and interface model
[01:09] <deepsight> well yes, it also works with my ngage
[01:09] <kzm> zindar: did you just say darcs?!
[01:09] <deepsight> the usb connection to the ngage but not with this hdd
[01:09] <kzm> (happy user)
[01:10] <deepsight> its an external enclosure thing where i put my hdd
[01:10] <robust> mdrjr: it didnt work so good , apparently ubuntu don't have suppot for raid on system partitions ;>
[01:10] <kzm> btw: anybody tried to get OpenMosix working on Ubuntu?
[01:10] <terry> deepsight, does dmesg say anything when you plug it in??
[01:10] <robust> but i deleted the raid partitions and installed regular ones instead
[01:10] <deepsight> yeap... wait
[01:10] <zhukov_> Alsamixer isnt runnin
[01:10] <zhukov_> :(
[01:10] <zhukov_> damn
[01:11] <robust> hmm .. i forgot , how do i become root in ubuntu?
[01:11] <zhukov_> any sugesttions about xmms nd tootem
[01:11] <kzm> robust: I tried to install it all on LVM, and after struggling through the partitioning, I was informed that root/boot on LVM wasn't supported.  Go directly to jail.  Even if you do pass Start, etc
[01:11] <deepsight> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 2
[01:11] <deepsight> usb 1-1: control timeout on ep0out
[01:11] <kzm> robust: sudo bash
[01:11] <zhukov_> robust, sudo
[01:11] <jdub> zhukov_: configure both to use esd
[01:11] <terry> robust ubuntu doesnt have root but you can sudo bash
[01:11] <deepsight> usb 1-1: device not accepting address 2, error -110
[01:11] <zeedo> terry: root does exist, root login is just disabled by default
[01:11] <terry> zeedo, thats what I meant
[01:12] <Zindar> kzm: yeah.. I'm a happy darcs user too.... it's really good.... but I think bazaar-ng can be better... if it drops some of the stupid ideas used by tla :)
[01:12] <Zindar> hehe
[01:12] <terry> Whats darcs??
[01:12] <Zindar> terry: www.darcs.net
[01:12] <zhukov_> jdub, how do i do that in totem? Xmms crashed and wnt restart until i reboot, in the meanwhile i can do that in totem...but un the sound menu, the only options r stereo, 4.1 ... 5.1 ... ac3 passtrhough
[01:12] <kzm> zindar: don't know it, I'm afraid.  I just like working in Haskell, so darcs is a natural choice (although my only contribution to it was a few lines of C code :-)
[01:13] <jdub> zhukov_: are you using totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[01:13] <warty> salut
[01:13] <warty> salut
[01:14] <zhukov_> toem-xine
[01:14] <deepsight> and i use lilo instead of grub, but i dont want to but from it just use it
[01:14] <zhukov_> *totem-xine with lib 1.0.0
[01:14] <terry> hrmm, whats another good gui email client that I can use until Evolution is fixed??
[01:14] <zhukov_> terry, thunderbird
[01:14] <giard> terry: gmail ;-)
[01:14] <jdub> zhukov_: edit ~/.gnome2/totem_config
[01:15] <Zindar> jdub: will you move from the gnuarch mailinglist to a real bazaar-ng mailinglist I can join???
[01:15] <terry> zhukov, I used to use thunderbird, then I stopped liking it
[01:15] <Zindar> I'm very anxious :)
[01:15] <terry> will try gmail
[01:15] <jdub> zhukov_: uncomment and change audio.driver to esd
[01:15] <jdub> Zindar: there's no mailing list discussion for bazaar-ng at all thus far
[01:16] <Zindar> ok... didn't think so...  but I hope that changes soon :)
[01:16] <terry> hrmm gmail isnt available in the repository
[01:16] <jdub> terry: they mean gmail.com
[01:17] <terry> lol jdub, oh I see
[01:17] <terry> so thunderbird it is
[01:17] <zeedo> terry: theres also sylhpeed
[01:18] <zeedo> sylpheed *
[01:18] <terry> is transcode available in repository?? I have another repository for mplayer which has transcode, I wonder if I could pin back to a version available in hoary
[01:18] <giard> cool to hear about Guadalinex
[01:19] <giard> good to see momentuum starting
[01:20] <zhukov_> jdub, still not working
[01:21] <terry> giard whats Guadalinex, all I can understand on there page is the picture of the Ubuntu Distro
[01:21] <zhukov_> :(
[01:21] <giard> terry: http://babelfish.av.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guadalinex.org%2Fmodules%2Fnews%2Farticle.php%3Fstoryid%3D119&lp=es_en
[01:21] <zhukov_> (gedit:10098): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[01:21] <zhukov_> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[01:22] <terry> giard, so its just another Distro??
[01:22] <jordi> terry: remember the famous "Linex" Spanish distro?
[01:22] <jdub> terry: it's an important spanish distro
[01:23] <jordi> in the schools of Extremadura?
[01:23] <terry> everybody, I know nothing about Spanish Distros
[01:23] <jordi> terry: it's sort of the same thing, but in Andalucia, not extremadura.
[01:23] <jordi> it was even on the American TV
[01:23] <jdub> jordi: GOSH! ;-)
[01:24] <giard> *chuckle*
[01:24] <jordi> :D
[01:24] <ajmitch> hey jordi
[01:24] <jordi> hi andrew
[01:25] <jdub> jordi: you like the news? :)
[01:26] <jordi> yes. Although I hear thunders in the west.
[01:27] <terry> cdrdao is not in hoary universe, nor growisofs?
[01:27] <jordi> jdub: here we've considered Ubuntu, but not right now. Hopefully after Perky we can seriously talk about it.
[01:27] <jordi> jdub: our first release will be Sarge based
[01:27] <jdub> heh, thunders :)
[01:32] <norman> join
[01:33] <kzm> Hi again (the /&% panel crashed, taking everything with it)
[01:38] <giard> wow, the x11 packages in hoary are getting rev'd almost daily now
[01:39] <terry> why isnt growisofs and cdrao not in hoary amd64??
[01:39] <terry> ooops double negative
[01:40] <dud> they are there...
[01:40] <dud> i have them installed on hoary amd64
[01:40] <Rake> hey again people. quick q; how do i apply big patches? (trying to put on https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940)
[01:41] <Rake`> bug* rather
[01:45] <giard> terry: did you check to see if they were in universe
[01:46] <giard> terry: or multiverse
[01:46] <terry> giard, resolved it in #debian-amd64
[01:48] <terry> giard, whats multiverse, that seems interesting
[01:48] <terry> it sounds mystical
[01:49] <terry> giard, I will just have to add it and find out!!
[01:52] <regebro> Hi all! When I runt gedit, I get  "WARNING **: Failed to lock: No locks available **" repeated three times. Anybody know what that means?
[01:53] <Phreakazoid> regebro, its trying to lock the file, but the kernel won't let it?
[01:54] <regebro> Possibly. But what file? I'm not opening a file. Any why? ggv does that same.
[01:54] <Phreakazoid> I don't know... does the program still work fine?
[01:54] <flodin> gnome apps output so much bs to the console
[01:54] <flodin> i wouldnt think much of it
[01:55] <Phreakazoid> yeah
[01:55] <regebro> Yup. Except that it starts and saves very slowly, which I thought may have something to do with this.
[01:55] <robust> hmm , i tried to upgrade by using apt-get install nvidia-glx and then a apt-get upgrade but my nvidia module is version 6610 and my glx version is 6629. (I'm using amd64) How can I fix this?
[01:55] <giard> silly question
[01:55] <giard> so I just installed monodevelop
[01:55] <giard> how long does it take for the developer menu to appear?
[01:56] <giard> in the main menu
[01:56] <regebro> I'll just find an editor that doesn't take a life time to start and use that instead.  Any hints? (No, not vi or emacs)
[01:58] <terry> regebro.....pico??
[01:59] <Phreakazoid> nano
[01:59] <dud> regebro, nano
[01:59] <dud> i dont think i could have survived without nano...
[01:59] <Phreakazoid> I just use vim out of habit
[02:00] <regebro> Hmm, yeah, I forgot about those. OK, that might do for today, but I would like something graphical. Kinda lika kate. ggv looked fine, but takes half a minute to start with is just to annoying.
[02:00] <Phreakazoid> ggv is a text editor?
[02:01] <Phreakazoid> I was sure its a postscript viewer
[02:01] <regebro> I ment to say gedit but it came out wrong. :p
[02:02] <Rake`> Hey - I want to install a bug fix (https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940) - how do I go about it
[02:06] <dud> gedit or bluefish
[02:06] <dud> i really prefer bluefish by a mile when i want a graphical editor
[02:06] <Phreakazoid> gedit in gnome 2.10 looks nice
[02:07] <shock> is 2.10 out ?
[02:07] <Hwolf> Phreakazoid: What can possibly be better on gedit?
[02:07] <Hwolf> shock: no
[02:07] <Phreakazoid> no
[02:07] <shock> *g*
[02:07] <shock> oh
[02:07] <shock> :(
[02:07] <Phreakazoid> the 2.10 version has syntax highlighting, and some other programmer friendly stuff
[02:07] <shock> how can u get me this close to an orgasm and then deny it to me?
[02:07] <shock> *grr*
[02:07] <shock> well.. I have syntax highlighting in gedit right now
[02:08] <shock> O_o
[02:08] <Hwolf> shock: get an orgasm with another human being. I bet you'd enjoy it better
[02:08] <Hwolf> Phreakazoid: gedit has had that for ages
[02:08] <shock> *g*
[02:10] <Phreakazoid> oic
[02:10] <Phreakazoid> oh
[02:10] <Phreakazoid> it has bracket matching
[02:10] <Phreakazoid> in the 2.10 version
[02:10] <Hwolf> Phreakazoid: that's good
[02:10] <neofeed> what happened to 'applications:///' in hoary?
[02:11] <neofeed> nautilus tells me: location does not exist
[02:11] <scizzo> neofeed: just upgraded to hoary?
[02:12] <neofeed> scizzo, jep
[02:12] <neofeed> must have fucked something up I guess
[02:13] <neofeed> well upgrade about 1 or 2 weeks ago already
[02:13] <neofeed> killed my home .files and restarted.
[02:13] <neofeed> everything worked fine. Except the `how the fsck do I edit my menu' part
[02:13] <regebro> Ah, the bluefish description is "HTML editor". ;-)
[02:14] <scizzo> neofeed: I think that link is gone in the new nautilus version and so on
[02:14] <regebro> But gxedit opens *very* fast, I like that. I'll try these out. Thanks for the hints.
[02:15] <neofeed> scizzo, so how do I edit my menu now ?
[02:15] <scizzo> neofeed: I am not sure...
[02:16] <scizzo> neofeed: maybe look for information on www.gnome.org
[02:17] <digitalpure> i am trying to vpn into my office, but cannot figure out how to get connected
[02:17] <trey3> Hey... how does one get a "BitTorrent meta file"?
[02:18] <shock> trey3 - download it somewhere?
[02:19] <shock> or do you want to create one?
[02:19] <trey3> shock: from where? I just want to try out "GNOME BitTorrent" on account of its part of ubuntu-desktop now...
[02:19] <shock> :)
[02:20] <shock> suprnova.org is down :/
[02:20] <terry> shock its been down for like 4 months now
[02:21] <robust> I'm trying to upgrade to the latest version of gnome but it keeps complaining. I'm using hoary with all the repositories .. main universe etc... and it tells me that it can't be installed because gnome-desktop-environment can't be installed ;>
[02:21] <shock> http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/ <-- why not try fedora *g*
[02:21] <shock> *cough*
[02:21] <silbs> Rake`: did you get an answer yet? you should attach the patch to the bug in bugzilla
[02:21] <shock> gnome-desktop-environment is a meta package, i think
[02:21] <shock> just dont install it
[02:21] <Rake`> hey .. how do i go about installing a patch?
[02:22] <robust> shock, but it won't continue ?
[02:22] <nevyn> Rake`: with patch(1)
[02:22] <Rake`> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940
[02:22] <shock> robust - just use synaptic - go to section gnome and install
[02:22] <shock> works fine here
[02:22] <shock> =)
[02:22] <trey3> robust: apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment on its own and see why it won't install?
[02:23] <robust> shock, not for me.. complains about gnome-desktop-environment
[02:23] <Rake`> nevyn - patch(1)?
[02:23] <nevyn> Rake`: the program called patch
[02:25] <Rake`> yeah .. but the fix is on the bugzilla.ubuntu .com site
[02:25] <Rake`> don't quite know how to use it
[02:25] <nevyn> it's a source patch you really don't want to deal with that.
[02:25] <nevyn> just update and upgrade and you'll get it.
[02:27] <Rake`> what if I have? problem still occurs.
[02:28] <terry> what is Ubuntu based on sid or sarge??
[02:28] <rcaskey__> terry: sarge
[02:28] <rcaskey__> wait
[02:28] <nevyn> terry: a little from collumn a a little from collumn b
[02:29] <robust> This sucks , still can't install gnome , it has something to do with libnautilus-2-2 , it doesnt seem to exist
[02:30] <terry> Okay finally got transcode to install!! Nice
[02:30] <terry> robust did you try apt-get dist-upgrade??
[02:30] <rcaskey__> It really doesn't matter all that much. Sure, rsync has a .001 version bump, but the big stuff like Ooo and Gnome is being reworked significantly...
[02:30] <rcaskey__> robust: try an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:30] <robust> doesnt help ;/
[02:31] <rcaskey__> sometimes that happens if your trying to snag an out of date package becuase your package list is old
[02:31] <trey3> terry: Ubuntu is based on Sid...
[02:31] <terry> It doesnt matter now, I have transcode installed, just trying to figure out which mariliat repository to use
[02:31] <George_Guy> Can anyone help me.... I need to get a FTP client that works on ubuntu, have downloaded gftp but get an error that there is not C compiler
[02:31] <robust> it seems strange that gnome-desktop-environment has a dependency on libnautilus2-2 when it clearly doesnt exist
[02:32] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, you can install gftp using synaptic or apt-get
[02:33] <George_Guy> ok...I only started using linux on friday......what are the baby steps?
[02:34] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, In console type sudo apt-get update && apt-get install gftp (enter YOUR user password)
[02:34] <robust> lol ..
[02:34] <MM2> I'm trying to open a mpg file to kino
[02:35] <MM2> it won't open a file :(
[02:35] <robust> gnome depends on gnome-environment - and in the end that depens on libnautilus-2-2 , but if i install gnome-core and libnautilus-2-2 it's still not please. Then it wants me to install nautilus , but that removes libnautilus completly ;>>
[02:35] <trey3> MM2: you need the codecs... www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:35] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, if you can do that you should probably do apt-get upgrade as well to update all the packages on your system.
[02:37] <George_Guy> ok I clicked on synaptic package manager....entered my password and nothing has come up on my screen after that?
[02:37] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, are you in the account that you used to install Ubuntu ?
[02:38] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, the user account that is
[02:38] <George_Guy> yes, only have the one user
[02:39] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, ok open a gnome terminal session Alt+F2 gnome-terminal
[02:39] <George_Guy> ok got it open
[02:39] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, type sudo -s (enter your user password)
[02:41] <George_Guy> ok did that and after typing my password the terminal window shut down
[02:42] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, umm
[02:42] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, are you on your Ubuntu system right now ?
[02:42] <George_Guy> yip
[02:44] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, that's weird what you can try is hitting Ctrl + Alt + F2 to get to a real terminal. Login and type sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. Hit ctrl + alt +F7 to get back to where you are now.
[02:44] <LinuxJones> George_Guy, write that down so you don't forget ;)
[02:46] <LinuxJones> gg in 15 mins
[02:46] <LinuxJones> ter bb
[02:47] <trey3> George_Guy: he really meant 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' though
[02:48] <George_Guy> ok tried that but is came back and said 'user is not in the sudoers file
[02:52] <George_Guy> trey3 any ideas?
[02:54] <terry> George what was the first user you added to Ubuntu
[02:54] <trey3> George_Guy: you have to restart to "recovery mode"... and enter 'George_Guy ALL=(ALL) ALL'
[02:55] <George_Guy> ok thanks guys will give it a try
[02:55] <trey3> ^^ that goes in /etc/sudoers... that parts important
[03:07] <robust> i have begun to create a 32bit chroot .. and i want to keep my 32bit and 64bit applications and libraries completly seperate. And now i'm wondering if there is a command so that i can type : apt-get install wine and it will install all of the dependencies automatically ? (It just bugs me all the time cause there are no applications installed for the moment)
[03:08] <liberion> what header do i need to install for building nvidia module?
[03:08] <LinuxJones> liberion, nvidia module is available for download unless you compiled your own kernel you should use that.
[03:09] <bob2> robust: er, that's what apt does
[03:09] <nevyn> robust: that's what apt DOES.. it's it's entire purpose.
[03:09] <bob2> liberion: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:09] <nevyn> CRAP
[03:09] <LinuxJones> liberion, lots of good stuff for getting started with Ubuntu can be found here >> www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:09] <nevyn> ' abuse
[03:11] <liberion> LinuxJones, nah im not picking up opengl
[03:11] <bob2> read that wiki page
[03:11] <liberion> bob2, been there is not about bin driver must build module
[03:12] <bob2> liberion: why?
[03:12] <bob2> please don't randomly rebuild things for no reason
[03:12] <liberion> bob2, when i try to build other stuff opengl is not picked up
[03:13] <bob2> liberion: indeed
[03:13] <bob2> liberion: did you install the nvidia GL headers?
[03:13] <liberion> bob2, no theres no deb for it
[03:14] <liberion> bob2, it would be just as easy to build the module anyway
[03:14] <bob2> nvidia-glx-dev - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver development files
[03:14] <liberion> brb
[03:14] <bob2> what's that then?
[03:14] <liberion> bob2, lemme check apt
[03:15] <bob2> no, you don't "check apt", you install that package
[03:15] <liberion> bob2, thanx man i didnt see it lol :)
[03:16] <bob2> in future it might be a good idea to ask questions instead of making assumptions...
[03:16] <bob2> save you time and all
[03:16] <LinuxJones> bob2, aren't you being rather rude
[03:16] <bob2> I'm not meaning to be
[03:17] <bob2> apologies if that sounded harsh
[03:17] <liberion> bob2, what tools do i need to build debian packages i have build-essential what else
[03:17] <bob2> depends what you mean by build
[03:18] <liberion> bob2, nah its cool
[03:18] <bob2> package from scratch or compile debian source packages?
[03:18] <Treyck> hi
[03:18] <liberion> bob2, i want to build a deb package for briquolo
[03:18] <Treyck> i've a question
[03:18] <bob2> liberion: from scratch?
[03:19] <liberion> hey
[03:19] <bob2> ie no one else has packaged it?
[03:19] <liberion> bob2, yes
[03:19] <liberion> bob2, no one has
[03:20] <bob2> then dh-make and read the Debian New Maintainer's guide
[03:20] <Treyck> my problem : i must download the nvidia-graphicdrivers,but i dont know the command for downloading a programm in textmode
[03:20] <bob2> you'll have to calculate the build-deps etc yourself as the packager
[03:20] <bob2> Treyck: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:20] <liberion> bob2, im not new to linux just debian me and some developers are build arcane linux and migrating to a debian type system new stuff for me
[03:21] <bob2> tho I don't know of any cards the default nv driver doesn't handle (in hoary, anyway)
[03:21] <bob2> liberion: right
[03:21] <bob2> liberion: new maintainer's guide the [place to learn how to package stuff
[03:21] <shock> hello alltogether
[03:21] <shock> I have a stupid little problem at hand
[03:22] <shock> I do not - for the love of christ - remember how to make a router out of a two-eth-device computer
[03:22] <shock> :/
[03:22] <Treyck> thx a lot
[03:22] <bob2> "make a router"?
[03:22] <shock> yeah
[03:22] <shock> all i need to do is this iptables thing i guess
[03:22] <bob2> just enable ip forwadring (echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ip_forward) and setup your routes
[03:22] <shock> u know - forward eth1 to eth0
[03:22] <bob2> iptables doesn't have much to do with routing
[03:22] <shock> ah ok
[03:23] <bob2> it does for masquerading, but that's not quite the same thing
[03:23] <LinuxJones> shock, >> http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Networks/Easy_Internet_Sharing.html
[03:23] <shock> /proc/sys/net/ip_forward: No such file or directory
[03:23] <bob2> come on dude, proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[03:24] <shock> :)
[03:24] <shock> its 15:24 here and I had no coffee today *searchesforexcuses*
[03:25] <bob2> hah
[03:25] <bob2> fair enough
[03:25] <shock> :)
[03:25] <shock> hm
[03:26] <shock> weirdness.... did the echo1 thing... no forwarding so far
[03:26] <shock> i'll do the elinks thing and look at that howto ;)
[03:27] <bob2> you're really just forwarding, no need for NAT?
[03:28] <LinuxJones> shock, sorry that howto is no good it's for ipchains , sorry my bad :(
[03:28] <shock> yeah
[03:28] <shock> just noticed
[03:28] <shock> ipchains *g*
[03:28] <shock> *remember that*
[03:28] <shock> 15:27 < bob2> you're really just forwarding, no need for NAT?
[03:28] <shock> ^^ yeas
[03:28] <shock> if they want NAT here.... oh well
[03:29] <shock> let them cry first
[03:29] <bob2> then just sticking the right subnets on each interface and enabling forwarding should work
[03:29] <bob2> check your routing table (ip route)
[03:29] <shock> looks good
[03:30] <shock> i got internal ip on eth1 - external on eth0 and default via external route - eth0
[03:30] <shock> hm
[03:31] <shock> anyone - how can i configure irssi to ignore join and quit messages?
[03:31] <shock> this really screws up all the conversations
[03:34] <cbaux> Hi, I'am a newbie to Linux and I am looking for a way to setup an openmosix cluster with Ubuntu. Is it possible, and if yes, how.
[03:35] <website> does anybody know a good file sharing program for gnome?
[03:36] <shock> oh boy... I want to be back to the internet properly
[03:36] <shock> *grml*
[03:36] <kzm> cbaux: I'd like to know as well.
[03:37] <bob2> shock: /help ignore
[03:37] <Xappe> website, well for direct connect i use Valknut, even though it's a qt app. no better alternatives for the dc protocol at least
[03:38] <kzm> cbaux: I suppose you need to patch the kernel, and openmosixview is available with apt-get, but isn't there another daemon you need?
[03:38] <shock> well... there is the default gnome-filesharing thing
[03:38] <website> Xappe, and for something about gnutella?
[03:38] <RainMoods> Hi all
[03:39] <Xappe> website, sorry cant't help you there. i only use dc for file sharing
[03:39] <kzm> BTW: I'm using x-chat, does anybody know how to do /me?
[03:39] <Hwolf> kzm, how about typing /me?
[03:39] <kzm> thanks
[03:39] <kzm> :-)
[03:40] <kzm> (perhaps that too was something not workin in hoary :-)
[03:40] <kzm> Okay, how do I get emacs keybindings for editing the entry text field?
[03:40] <cbaux> kzm: OK, this is a first step, but I am wondering because Ubuntu runs under kernel 2.6.8, at least on my config, and the patches I hace found are for kernel 2.4.20. Thus, I don't know how to proceed to use such patches without destroying my config.
[03:41] <Hwolf> cbaux, then take a good advice and don't.
[03:41] <kzm> cbaux: If you get the kernel-sources, I think you can fairly safely download standard kernel source, copy the .config over, recompile and use it.
[03:41] <kzm> cbaux: oops...2.*4*, right
[03:42] <kzm> sorry
[03:42] <Jelte> hi there... is there any software for gnome (or even already in ubuntu?) that does a full screen picture slideshow?
[03:42] <cbaux> kzm: no problem, things happen
[03:42] <Hwolf> jelte, gthumb does that
[03:42] <kzm> cbaux: I wonder how far OpenMosix 2.6 is along?  The OM people aren't too good at docummenting, I think.
[03:42] <Jelte> Hwolf, ah ta
[03:42] <shock> ok - I enabled ip-forwarding, I got internal ips set up right - and i got connection to internet. now why would a ping not be passed through from intern-to-out ?
[03:42] <shock> *grml*
[03:43] <shock> can someone help me please
[03:43] <shock> ?
[03:43] <Hwolf> shock, try taking the hammer to it.
[03:43] <RainMoods> I'm afraid I killed my Ubuntu...
[03:43] <shock> hehe
[03:43] <RainMoods> I got the error: Failed to start message bus: failed to read directory: "/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/services" No such file or directory
[03:43] <Hwolf> Rainmoods: how?
[03:43] <cbaux> kzm: may you be right but as you wrote, it is not easy to find docs on OM.
[03:43] <Hwolf> Rainmoods: that's an ouch moment
[03:43] <kzm> Rain: you killed humanity to others!?
[03:43] <RainMoods> yes it is
[03:43] <RainMoods> heh
[03:44] <RainMoods> I just upgraded to hoary
[03:44] <RainMoods> http://ubuntuguide.org/#upgradewartytohoary
[03:44] <kzm> Ah. BTDT.
[03:44] <RainMoods> and restarted...
[03:44] <RainMoods> I 'just' upgraded? I 'just' killed it
[03:44] <Hwolf> Rainmoods, I'd go and ask someone in #ubuntu-devel
[03:44] <RainMoods> OK thanks
[03:45] <Hwolf> mention the upgrade broke your system
[03:45] <RainMoods> OK!
[03:46] <jbailey> Hwolf: Not usually the best answer, sadly.  We just sent him back here. =)
[03:46] <jbailey> RainMoods: Can you be more specific?
[03:47] <Hwolf> jbailey: It gets the attention, usually ;)
[03:47] <RainMoods> Yes I can be more specific
[03:47] <RainMoods> I did this: http://ubuntuguide.org/#upgradewartytohoary
[03:47] <RainMoods> and restarted the system
[03:47] <RainMoods> Then, when I got into Gnome, it immediately got me out of it
[03:48] <shock> narf
[03:48] <RainMoods> and there was some extra information: Failed to start message bus: failed to read directory: "/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/services" No such file or directory
[03:48] <RainMoods> I can enter into gnome via a safe mode
[03:48] <jbailey> RainMoods: Can you check to make sure you have the 'ubuntu-desktop' package installed?
[03:49] <Treyck> i've a second question
[03:49] <jbailey> RainMoods: The times I've had that problem, it's been because I was missing pieces.
[03:49] <RainMoods> yes I can check - pls tell me how?
[03:49] <jbailey> RainMoods: dpkg -l ubuntu-desktop
[03:49] <Treyck> how can i activate the root under ubuntu
[03:50] <jbailey> Treyck: Just set it's password.  Usually running 'sudo su -' is good enough, though.
[03:50] <jbailey> Treyck: That will drop you to a root shell.
[03:50] <RainMoods> jbailey: I am on a dual boot machine, now in windows. I will restart and check it out. Now how do I get into IRC via gnome safe mode?
[03:50] <jbailey> RainMoods: Errr...  I'm guess x-chat or whatever should still be under applications->Internet.
[03:51] <jbailey> FAiling that, open a terminal window and type xchat
[03:51] <RainMoods> applications -> ... is broke in Gnome when I enter Gnome in safe mode
[03:51] <RainMoods> I can right-mouse-click on the desktop though
[03:51] <RainMoods> ah OK
[03:51] <RainMoods> xchat
[03:51] <RainMoods> well, I'll be back in a few minutes then
[03:51] <RainMoods> Thanks so far!
[03:51] <tritium> I need pciehp and shpchp to hotplug the NIC in my docking station, right?
[03:51] <Treyck> thx a lot
[03:52] <website> what does dpkg-buildpackage -S do?
[03:53] <jbailey> website: You did check the man page, right? =)
[03:54] <website> :-)
[03:55] <website> jbailey, i don't find nothing there
[03:56] <jbailey> website: It's under the section "COMMON OPTIONS", and tells you that it's a source only upload.
[03:57] <jbailey> website: IF you do /-S  (/ is the search command) in the man page, it's the first thing that comes up.
[03:58] <tritium> Thom May said the pciehp and shpchp failure to load problem was "purely cosmetic" and fixed in Hoary.  In what way was it fixed?  I still can't load them.
[03:59] <Lathiat> tritium: then you probably dont need them
[03:59] <tritium> Lathiat, I can't hotplug the NIC in my docking station
[03:59] <Lathiat> ahh
[03:59] <Lathiat> maybe your hardware isnt supported
[03:59] <Lathiat> google?
[03:59] <tritium> Lathiat, yeah, I've been googling.  I'll keep doing so.
[04:00] <Lathiat> tritium: i suspect what your commenting on is the fact that people who dont have that hardware see the load failures
[04:00] <Lathiat> tritium: and that you no longer see them
[04:00] <tritium> Lathiat, oh, I see.
[04:00] <tritium> That makes sense.
[04:00] <website> jbailey, thanks
[04:01] <tritium> Lathiat, am I wrong in thinking I need pci hotplugging to dock/undock and be able to use the NIC?
[04:02] <flosch> hi
[04:03] <Lathiat> tritium: depends on the nic
[04:03] <Lathiat> tritium: it might be like already there, or a usb nic
[04:03] <tritium> Lathiat, it's PCI
[04:04] <Lathiat> tritium: does it work if you bootup with it plugged in?
[04:04] <tritium> yes
[04:04] <tritium> But if I undock and then re-dock, it's not detected.
[04:04] <tritium> Can't ifup the device
[04:04] <Lathiat> what about booting up without it docked adn then docking, same deal?
[04:04] <bob2> er, you'd know if you had pci hotplug support
[04:04] <tritium> Same deal
[04:05] <bob2> ie your hardware would have cost more than your house
[04:05] <zhukov_> hi
[04:05] <sladen> q/win 26
[04:05] <tritium> bob2, so what's the trick to detect the nic when i dock?
[04:05] <aba9232> hi
[04:05] <Ev0> hey
[04:05] <Lathiat> tritium: have you tried loading the module manually to see if it works taht way?
[04:06] <Lathiat> tritium: if so restarting hotplug or somethign so it rescans might work...
[04:06] <tritium> Lathiat, those are good ideas, but yes, I've tried them too...
[04:06] <Lathiat> well im out of ideas
[04:06] <aba9232> so what is so diffrent about ubuntulinux linux..   what is the main selling points?
[04:06] <tritium> Lathiat, thanks for your help.  I appreciate it.
[04:07] <bob2> tritium: I don't knw if it's possible or not
[04:07] <bob2> ask on the list
[04:07] <tritium> bob2, okay.  Thanks.
[04:07] <robust> What do I need to type to install gtk+ 2.4 ?
[04:07] <bob2> aba9232: www.ubuntulinux.org has lots about that
[04:07] <bob2> robust: what are you trying to do?
[04:07] <robust> compile linuxdcpp
[04:08] <bob2> so install build-essential and libgtk2.0-dev
[04:08] <Lathiat> tritium: time ot get to know google better ;p
[04:08] <aba9232> bob2, i have looked there and im just curious more about what people think about it.
[04:08] <terry> is there a wiki or something for java
[04:08] <terry> I am having a hell of a time doing it the ubuntu way
[04:08] <tritium> Lathiat, yeah :)
[04:08] <Lathiat> terry: yeh under rescrited formats in the wiki
[04:08] <Lathiat> *restricted
[04:08] <Treyck> once again i have a problem
[04:08] <Lathiat> tritium: you searching for generic sollutions, as opposed to specific to your laptop?
[04:09] <tritium> Lathiat, both, actually.
[04:09] <bitandbite> hi, anybody wants to help me?
[04:09] <Treyck> i have downloaded the nvidia-driver,but when i try to install it,he says,i must make sure,that gcc is installed,und cc is in my path,what should i do ?
[04:09] <tritium> little bit of searching for generic solutions, little bit of Dell-specific searching
[04:09] <Lathiat> tritium: well, your too smart for me ;)
[04:09] <Lathiat> tritium: ooher its dell, which laptop?
[04:09] <tritium> Lathiat, not at all
[04:09] <tritium> Lathiat, C840
[04:10] <Lathiat> tritium: ive got an 8600 and was planning on getting a docking station down the road
[04:10] <bob2> Treyck: dude, please read the wiki
[04:10] <Lathiat> mostly for the dvi port on it
[04:10] <Treyck> ok
[04:10] <Lathiat> tritium: so if you figure it out, do let me know :)
[04:10] <tritium> Lathiat, they're convenient for sure.
[04:10] <tritium> I'll be sure to let you know.
[04:10] <Lathiat> tritium: what ports does yours have on it?
[04:11] <Lathiat> tritium: i dont suppose it has firewire or sound?
[04:11] <tritium> No firewire, but sound (which doesn't work)
[04:11] <tritium> I have VGA, no DVI
[04:11] <Lathiat> hrm
[04:11] <Lathiat> tritium: ahh, the 8600 one has dvi
[04:11] <Lathiat> tritium: i wish it had dvi on the actual laptop
[04:12] <tritium> Lathiat, I'm going to replace with a powerbook soon.
[04:12] <Lathiat> Santel: please ask your questions in channel
[04:12] <Lathiat> Santel: and not to me, or anyone else in private
[04:13] <Santel> ok Lathiat
[04:13] <Santel> the install don't reconize a s-ata raid, why???
[04:13] <tritium> I'm going to go try a few things...
[04:15] <Santel> ....
[04:15] <Lathiat> Santel: perhaps your chipset is not supported
[04:16] <Lathiat> Santel: maybe your bios has an emulation mode for  normal hard drives?
[04:16] <Santel> but the install reconized the hard disk separally, but the raid no
[04:17] <Santel> if reconized the hard disks i believe that reconize the chipset
[04:17] <Santel> no??
[04:18] <Lathiat> Santel: oh, one of those
[04:18] <Lathiat> Santel: You'll find that its most probably not really SATA raid, but in fact run by windows drivers
[04:18] <Lathiat> Santel: its just 'set up' in the bios
[04:18] <Lathiat> Santel: (at least thats what i found with on e of mine)
[04:19] <Santel> i configure the s-ata raid in the s-ata controller
[04:19] <Santel> no in windows
[04:19] <terry> Ughh Java is annoying in a 64bit system
[04:20] <Santel> i don't know if you asked that
[04:20] <Santel> my english is very poor
[04:20] <Santel> :$
[04:20] <Lathiat> Santel: Yes, but on some 'sata raid controllers, its not really RAID, its pretend.
[04:20] <Santel> ok
[04:20] <Lathiat> Santel: you set it up in the s-ata controller, but windows detets those settings and actually does the raid in windows (not in the hardware)
[04:21] <Santel> the s-ata is a sil312
[04:21] <Santel> ya
[04:21] <Lathiat> Santel: you could just use the two disks, and perhaps setup linux software raid
[04:22] <Lathiat> im not sure if the ubuntu installer lets you setup raid (the debian one did, altho it didnt work so well)
[04:22] <Santel> ubuntu suport my s-ata controller'?
[04:22] <zhukov_> All solved (sound problems with Hoary) :D
[04:22] <Lathiat> Santel: yes, but not in RAID
[04:23] <Lathiat> Santel: you can use the disks separately, like two disks, tho
[04:23] <zhukov_> If anyone wants the how-to just ask
[04:23] <Santel> how i cant do that suport the raid?
[04:23] <Lathiat> Santel: pardon?
[04:23] <terry> zhukov_ what sound problems??
[04:24] <Guardiann> zhukov_ and how did you fix them
[04:24] <Santel> that how i do that ubuntu suports my s-ata raid (if exits one method)?
[04:25] <filgy> is hoary stable enough to upgrade to? i like being on the bleeding edge... always used debian unstable and such
[04:25] <terry> filgy most definately
[04:26] <filgy> excellent
[04:26] <Ng> :o
[04:26] <Ng> hey filgy :)
[04:26] <Nermal> filgy, seems fine here :)
[04:26] <filgy> howdy Ng
[04:26] <terry> filgy but thats just stable enough for me
[04:26] <Lathiat> Santel: Linux can do raid in software, thats probably your best bet, i do not know if you can set that up in the installer tho
[04:26] <filgy> i'm sure it will be fine for me since debian unstable was always stable enough for me (for the most part) :)
[04:26] <Ng> filgy: if you have reasonable debian clue it's fine. I ran the amd64 version for a while, but I went back to warty so I could not have to fiddle at all ;)
[04:26] <Lathiat> ive never had debain unstable break for me
[04:26] <Ng> but if you've run sid for a while then you'll probably handle hoary :)
[04:26] <Lathiat> apart from kde deps being broken for ages, but i don tuse kde so i dont care
[04:27] <Lathiat> and hoary has never broken either, and in fact has often worked better than sid ever did :)
[04:27] <Santel> there's an option in the installation for that but whit it i lose some data??
[04:28] <filgy> yea i use xfce
[04:28] <terry> Okay so I guess I will have to do a chroot for mozilla+java+flash for now!! It is the easiest way
[04:28] <filgy> it's the r0x0r
[04:28] <filgy> that's why i want hoary, get the newest xfce
[04:28] <filgy> 4.1 or whatever
[04:28] <terry> Ubuntu doesnt seem to have 64bit java yet
[04:29] <terry> evolution doesnt work in hoary, although not sure if that is 64bit specific
[04:29] <Lathiat> terry: thats a 64bi bug apparently
[04:29] <Lathiat> terry: altho i did have some 32bit crashers the other day
[04:29] <Treyck> i have a question again
[04:29] <fabbione> it is mostlikely related to the kernel
[04:29] <fabbione> ia32 emulation on amd64 is broken
[04:30] <fabbione> and there is no upstream fix yet
[04:30] <RainMoods> hi there - back again
[04:30] <tritium> Lathiat, I don't think it's a pci hotplug problem after all.
[04:30] <tritium> This is from dmesg: eth1: Interrupt posted but not delivered -- IRQ blocked by another device?
[04:30] <Treyck> now i see nvidia @ my xserver-driver-list,but nothing else goes on,how can i disable GLCore ?
[04:30] <RainMoods> jbailey: thanks it looks like everything looks OK
[04:31] <tritium> That only occurs if I try to ifup eth1 after I undock & re-dock.
[04:31] <jbailey> RainMoods: What did you do? =)
[04:31] <fabbione> tritium: what kernel is that?
[04:31] <Treyck> how can i write new xserver config ?
[04:32] <Treyck> and overwrite the ol
[04:32] <Treyck> d
[04:32] <Lathiat> tritium: try removing the module before you undock
[04:32] <Lathiat> tritium: then redock and load the module again
[04:32] <tritium> fabbione, 2.6.10-2
[04:32] <jazzka> I would like to help translating, where do I start?
[04:32] <fabbione> tritium: try to boot with the option 'irqpoll'
[04:32] <terry> they have ia32 emulation??
[04:32] <tritium> fabbione, thanks!
[04:32] <fabbione> tritium: and see if the thing works or not
[04:32] <terry> is that the same as chroot??
[04:32] <Treyck> now i see nvidia @ my xserver-driver-list,but nothing else goes on,how can i disable GLCore ?
 jbailey: thanks it looks like everything looks OK
 That only occurs if I try to ifup eth1 after I undock & re-dock.
[04:32] <fabbione> terry: no.
[04:32] <terry> oh well I am happy with chroot for now
[04:33] <liberion> bob2, hey built the deb package for briquolo
[04:33] <fabbione> terry: the ia32 emulation is needed to run 32bit binaries in a 64bit env
[04:33] <tritium> fabbione, what does that do?
[04:33] <terry> fabbione, no its not
[04:33] <zhukov_> anyone having amsn problems???
[04:33] <zhukov_> :S
[04:33] <fabbione> tritium: 2.6.10 added a new way to handle irq. irqpoll restore the old behavior
[04:33] <terry> fabbione, you can do it with a chroot and dchroot
[04:33] <tritium> fabbione, and I can use that in conjunction with acpi_irq_isa=7 ?
[04:33] <terry> https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html
[04:34] <fabbione> tritium: yes
[04:34] <tritium> okay
[04:34] <tritium> I'll try that now.
[04:34] <tritium> be back soon...
[04:34] <fabbione> tritium: please let me know if that fixes the problem
[04:34] <RainMoods> jbailey: first I did dpkg -l ubuntu-desktop, and it told me 'unknown version'. Then I tried to install it (apt-get) but I got erro messages. Then I tried 'apt-get -f install' and it crunched for a while. Finally a restart and now I am in gnome. In the background I am now doing 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop', so hopefully everything will work later on!
[04:34] <fabbione> too late...
[04:34] <Treyck> i have a question
[04:34] <zhukov_> Anyone with Hoarty and amsn troubles???
[04:34] <Treyck> i want wo overwrite my old xserver-configuration
[04:34] <jbailey> RainMoods: Excellent!  Glad it worked for you.
[04:34] <shock> allright - that was fairly easy
[04:34] <shock> :)
[04:35] <RainMoods> jbailey: yes! I was afraid I killed Ubuntu, you know.. Anyway, thanks a lot!
[04:35] <jbailey> RainMoods: np =)
[04:35] <fabbione> terry: that is something different.. a chroot is not the same as the kernel ia32 emulation
[04:36] <RainMoods> OK I will try one more restart
[04:36] <terry> fabbione, oh okay
[04:36] <Treyck>  i want wo overwrite my old xserver-configuration
[04:37] <fabbione> Treyck: are you running hoary or warty?
[04:37] <Docta> Should upgrading to hoary have broken my nvidia-glx ability?
[04:37] <liberion> hey guys ill built a debian package for briquolo anyone wanna test it
[04:37] <liberion> ??
[04:38] <Treyck> nothing, i have installed the driver yet and now whanted to reconfig my xserver,so that i could use graphical mode,not just textmode
[04:38] <fabbione> Treyck: ok.. but are you running warty or hoary?
[04:39] <Treyck> i'm not sure , where is the unterschied ?
[04:40] <Treyck> what is hoary,warty ?
[04:40] <Treyck> my english isn't the best
[04:40] <fabbione> Treyck: uname -r?
[04:40] <fabbione> warty is the stable release
[04:41] <fabbione> hoary is the development version that will be released in a few months from now
[04:41] <fabbione> Treyck: less /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:41] <fabbione> it will tell you if you are running warty or hoary
[04:43] <Treyck> then i run warty
[04:43] <fabbione> ok
[04:43] <fabbione> did you do a normal installation?
[04:43] <fabbione> did X come up?
[04:44] <Docta> Is it possible to use the nvidia-glx extensions in hoary?
[04:44] <fabbione> Docta: yes. they should work
[04:45] <Docta> hmm.  brb  :)
[04:45] <robust> Does anyone here have experience of raid0 and ubuntu ?
[04:45] <fabbione> robust: yes.. go ahead
[04:45] <robust> well fabbione i have a raid0 that isn't activate from when i used gentoo
[04:46] <robust> how do i activate it ? easiest way possible please ;>
[04:46] <robust> tried configuring raidttab and raidstart --all but that doesnt seem to work
[04:46] <fabbione> robust: it should be fairly trivial.. let me refresh the mdadm commands :-)
[04:46] <robust> i'm sleepy as hell i might add ;D
[04:47] <robust> that's why i want to get the raid going so i can watch a movie and go to sleep ;D
[04:48] <fabbione> robust: try this: lsraid -pR > raidtab.temp
[04:48] <fabbione> you might need to sudo or be root
[04:48] <fabbione> and check the contents of raidtab.temp
[04:48] <robust> fabbione, empty ;/
[04:49] <fabbione> lsraid -R -p
[04:49] <fabbione> is there something in the output?
[04:50] <robust> yeah .. alot of things ;>
[04:50] <fabbione> good
[04:50] <fabbione> can you put the output somewhere on a web where i can look at it?
[04:50] <robust> all my sata drives ..
[04:50] <fabbione> yeah don't worry about extra junk
[04:50] <robust> it just says /dev/dm -0 -1 etc ..
[04:50] <fabbione> it is all automatically commented
[04:50] <fabbione> please show me the output somewhere
[04:50] <robust> and /dev/sda /dev/sda1 etc ..
[04:51] <fabbione> i don't like to guess or assume
[04:51] <robust> ;)
[04:51] <robust> but there really isnt anything strange there
[04:51] <robust> but ill show it to you
[04:51] <fabbione> ok
[04:51] <robust> sorry for sending it but my brain doesnt work very well ;>
[04:52] <fabbione> it's ok
[04:52] <robust> feel like i've been awake for a year or two
[04:53] <fabbione> robust: what are the devices forming the raid0 ?
[04:53] <Docta> fabbione, since I just upgraded to hoary, I have to turn off the glx option in xorg.conf or else startx catches "Signal 11"
[04:53] <robust> fabbione, /dev/sda4 /dev/sdb4
[04:53] <Docta> Also, why won't alsa-base and alsa-utils install?  Version conflict of some kind apparently
[04:54] <snowblink> Is there a countdown timer available for GNOME, like KTeaTime in KDE?
[04:54] <fabbione> robust: try: lsraid -R -d /dev/sda4 -d /dev/sdb4
[04:54] <fabbione> that should create the raidtab for the raid
[04:54] <prego> how do I repartition an USB-flash-drive?
[04:54] <robust> omfg ..
[04:55] <prego> just fdisk /dev/sda and deleting existing partition and creating new ones?
[04:55] <robust> lsraid: Device "/dev/sda4" does not have a valid raid superblock
[04:55] <robust> that's really bad i guess ? ;/
[04:55] <fabbione> robust: yes....
[04:55] <fabbione> pretty much
[04:55] <robust> 400gb data..
[04:55] <LinuxJones> snowblink, timer-applet
[04:55] <robust> well where the hell has the superblock gone ? ;>
[04:56] <robust> i have just removed sda3 and sdb3 and made them to oridinary partitions and installed ubuntu .. nothing else
[04:56] <srid> I created my .xinirc. I also symlinked it to .xsession.  I have "allow-user-xsession" in user config too. But still .xinitrc is not executed during startup of X session.
[04:57] <ismaeval> just installed ubuntu for the first time, I expected that it would install everything from the shipped cd, instead it downloaded >80MB archives from Internet! did I something wrong?
[04:57] <ismaeval> srid: try making .xsession executable
[04:57] <srid> ismaeval, i did that too
[04:57] <Docta> Is there an easy way to downgrade to warty?
[04:57] <fabbione> robust: here:  *      y = (x & ~(MD_RESERVED_BYTES - 1)) - MD_RESERVED_BYTES
[04:57] <LinuxJones> ismaeval, they are probably just updates
[04:57] <srid> i will be back
[04:57] <ismaeval> srid: using gdm? I am not sure that gdm honors xsession at all
[04:58] <snowblink> LinuxJones: cheers. Only in hoary right?
[04:58] <robust> fabbione, huh ?
[04:58] <LinuxJones> snowblink, let me check I am running hoary yes
[04:58] <ismaeval> LinuxJones: but they are >80MB of updates, I though there was a difference to running sid! :)
[04:58] <fabbione> robust: that is where the md superblock are located compared to the beginning of the partition and its size
[04:58] <snowblink> LinuxJones: cool. Something to look forward to. :)
[04:59] <fabbione> robust:         __u32   magic;          /* MD_SB_MAGIC: 0xa92b4efc - little endian */
[04:59] <fabbione> this is the label that identify the first 4 bytes in the superblock
[04:59] <fabbione> so you can in theory hexedit the hd
[04:59] <fabbione> and see if they are still there
[04:59] <srid> I still cannot make .xsession run at startup! :(
[04:59] <robust> fabbione, but .. it's a mystery why this has happened
[04:59] <LinuxJones> snowblink, do you have universe enabled ?
[04:59] <snowblink> LinuxJones: I'm on warty, but yes.
[05:00] <srid> can anyone help?
[05:00] <srid> i am using icewm
[05:00] <srid> and I want my .xsession to be run on X startup
[05:00] <srid> chmod +x .xsession
[05:00] <fabbione> robust: not necessarely...
[05:00] <srid> still not working!
[05:00] <srid> plz help
[05:00] <LinuxJones> ismaeval, warty was frozen so there were not that many updates.
[05:01] <ismaeval> LinuxJones: so, warty freezes after CD's are pressed, is that it=
[05:01] <LinuxJones> ismaeval, yes
[05:02] <ismaeval> LinuxJones: so running warty will look more like running FC than running sarge or sid, this is, I am not bound to downloadind >80 MB archives once a month or so?
[05:03] <srid> anyone know this fucking stuff?? how to run a program in X server startup?
[05:03] <Stuttergart> Is anyone else finding that Evolution 2.x in Hoary is very unstable?
[05:05] <srid> hey, i want a window manager that doesn't suck
[05:05] <Mitario> does anyone know if I can sync my agenda on my mobile phone with evolutions one?
[05:06] <ismaeval> srid: you running startx or xdm?
[05:06] <douglas> hi !
[05:06] <Mitario> via bluetooth
[05:06] <douglas> do anyone here has a IBM router ?
[05:06] <srid> ismaeval, i am running gdm  (so xdm)
[05:06] <housetier> srid, how do you start your x session? from gdm?
[05:06] <srid> housetier, yes, from gdm
[05:06] <srid> I have "allow-user-xsession" in Xsession.options too!
[05:06] <ismaeval> srid: not sure, I think gdm doesn't honor .xsession but honors .gnomerc instead, try quitting gdm and startx
[05:06] <srid> but still .xsession is not executed
[05:07] <srid> oh, will try that
[05:07] <srid> ismaeval, thnx
[05:07] <ismaeval> srid: also check .xsession-errors, more useful than us!
[05:07] <housetier> srid, afaik you need to tell gdm that it should execute your xsession instead of the system wide ones
[05:07] <srid> ismaeval, checkd that .. no useful stuff
[05:07] <housetier> srid, something like "default xsession" or so from gdm session menu
[05:07] <srid> housetier, I use 'icewm' from gdm menu
[05:08] <srid> will try
[05:09] <tritium> fabbione, thanks for the suggestion.  Unfortunately, it didn't work.
[05:09] <terry> What package do I need to install to have a pretty boot like SuSe
[05:09] <srid> still doesn't work!! :(
[05:09] <srid> tried .gnomerc too
[05:09] <srid> no xsession in gdm menu
[05:10] <srid> only gnome,icewm,.default sesion,...
[05:10] <housetier> srid, try default
[05:11] <ismaeval> srid try xdm
[05:11] <toxickore> someone has run nagios under ubuntu?
[05:13] <srid> ok this fucking .xsession finally worked
[05:13] <srid> thanks
[05:14] <housetier> o tempora o mores
[05:15] <dud> it is pretty horrid times :o
[05:15] <tritium> fabbione, anything else you might suggest other than irqpoll?
[05:16] <fabbione> tritium: not at the moment.. mind to file a bug on bugzilla with all the possible details? lspci, dmesg and so on?
[05:16] <RainMoods> hi all
[05:16] <fabbione> did it ever work? is it the first time? kernel version that broke and so on..
[05:16] <tritium> fabbione, okay, I will.
[05:16] <RainMoods> I've got a screen resolution problem all of a sudden (Hoary)
[05:17] <fabbione> tritium: use package linux
[05:17] <fabbione> or component.. i can never remember how bugzilla calls it
[05:17] <tritium> fabbione, okay.  I'll find it.  And, no, it's never worked.  I'll put the details in the report.
[05:17] <RainMoods> jbailey: are you there? can you help me out (again)?
[05:17] <tritium> fabbione, thanks again.
[05:18] <fabbione> tritium: no problem
[05:18] <jbailey> RainMoods: I'm working at the same time, so I might be slow.
[05:19] <RainMoods> jbailey: np! I'm supposed to be working myself :)
[05:19] <jbailey> RainMoods: Yeah, but my boss watches me when I slack off in this channel ;)
[05:19] <RainMoods> thing is: I restarted and now I am in 640X480, while I used to be in 1240x1024
[05:20] <dr_willis> jbailey,  its not slacking.. its 'research'
[05:20] <RainMoods> Desktop->Administration->Screen resolution does not help me
[05:20] <dr_willis> :P
[05:20] <tritium> RainMoods, are you on a Mac with an ATI card?
[05:20] <RainMoods> tritium: I am on a PC
[05:21] <RainMoods> dr_willis: you are so right!
[05:21] <tritium> RainMoods, you just upgraded to Hoary, and switched from XFree86 to Xorg?
[05:21] <jbailey> RainMoods: My first guess is that something got chewed when the box moved to x.org.  Unfortunately, I don't have any experience there.  I had to do my config file by hand to support the dual head.
[05:21] <RainMoods> I just upgraded, yes. but did I switch? I dont know, how to find out?
[05:21] <jbailey> RainMoods: I suspect if you do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg you might be able to fix it.
[05:22] <jbailey> RainMoods: It really shouldn't be needed, but I don't have a better answer for you.
[05:22] <tritium> Yep.  If that doesn't work, you might need to manually set HorizSync and VertRefresh.
[05:22] <RainMoods> something like sudo dpkg -r xserver-xorg ?
[05:22] <tritium> RainMoods, what does ddcprobe report?
[05:22] <dr_willis> bbl
[05:22] <jbailey> RainMoods: Nope, that tells dpkg to *remove* the packag.e =)  You definetly want dpkg-reconfigure.  Although, you're right about the sudo
[05:23] <no0tic> I have a problem with dri, and want to file a bug, wich package is?
[05:23] <RainMoods> tritium: it tells me a lot! I shall first try jabailey's remark
[05:24] <Mr_Blonde> which is tge best linux distro
[05:24] <tritium> RainMoods, yes, try dpkg-reconfigure first.
[05:29] <zAo^> randabis, how did you change the XFCE panel like that?
[05:30] <zAo^> anyone know how I change the panel like this? http://img114.exs.cx/img114/8282/newdesktop4hp.jpg
[05:31] <RainMoods> reboot ...
[05:31] <housetier> zAo^, looks like a aqua'esque theme to me
[05:32] <zAo^> housetier, yes, but how do I change that panel? I change everything, but dont know how to change the panel itself
[05:32] <housetier> zAo^, you install and then select the theme
[05:32] <zAo^> housetier, I did, everything but the panel changed :)
[05:33] <Danko123456> Hi, I just wanted to ask someone with experience with Ubuntu on an iBook, about his experience with it.
[05:33] <Cindux> theirs an ubuntu ibook
[05:33] <housetier> zAo^, hmmm if this is a xfce panel maybe you need the xfce theme too... I only use xfwm4 from xfce so I don't know for sure
[05:34] <Cindux> :O
[05:34] <Danko123456> sorry
[05:34] <Danko123456> ?
[05:34] <Danko123456> there is a Ubuntu for PowerPCs?
[05:34] <Danko123456> was that your messsage?
[05:35] <housetier> Danko123456, I know from reports that ubuntu works well on ppc
[05:35] <housetier> well maybe "know" is too strong, "heard" is better
[05:35] <Danko123456> Great, but you never used it hey?
[05:35] <zAo^> thanks housetier  :)
[05:35] <Cindux> bah'
[05:35] <Cindux> I'm so glad the login screen wasn't those 3 half naked people
[05:35] <Cindux> glaring at
[05:35] <Cindux> me
[05:36] <Danko123456> hehe...
[05:36] <housetier> Danko123456, I only have various i386 at my disposal
[05:36] <Cindux> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/login.jpeg
[05:36] <Cindux> lol
[05:36] <Danko123456> Yeah...PCs are still more usual...
[05:36] <Danko123456> I just ordered an iBook.
[05:36] <Danko123456> Cause it was cheaper than other good notebooks.
[05:37] <Danko123456> So Im downloading the CD image for Ubuntu PPC.
[05:37] <Cindux> I just ordered a new 2.4ghz celery :D
[05:37] <Danko123456> I just thought Id get some information before I start...
[05:37] <Danko123456> Celery, hey? Thats a new way to say it(to me)
[05:37] <Cindux> They still haven't recieved my bank order though
[05:37] <housetier> Danko123456, maybe you find something in the wiki
[05:38] <Danko123456> Thanks Ill look.
[05:39] <MFen> anybody have a sense of where we are on hoary? on schedule??
[05:39] <Danko123456> You know, I just heard a person yesterday say that the OS X is running better than Linuxes(I guess in general)...would you agree? Anyone have any experience with both?
[05:39] <Cindux> = /
[05:40] <Cindux> I've used my friends g4 a couple times :P
[05:40] <Cindux> lol
[05:40] <housetier> Danko123456, depends on the platform wouldnt you agree :)
[05:40] <Danko123456> heh
[05:40] <Cindux> meh Linux can't be beaten ^.-
[05:40] <housetier> I doubt osx will run on i386
[05:40] <Cindux> with the fact that it has no limits
[05:40] <Cindux> it automatically wins
[05:40] <Danko123456> Yeah, off course I guess, do you mean between Macs?
[05:40] <Danko123456> housetier...
[05:41] <Danko123456> I totally disagree with the guy anyhow, he gives me some corporate article as proof of his statement...
[05:41] <Cindux> Has anyone else been able to find this Ubuntu forum
[05:42] <Cindux> I honestly can't find it lol
[05:42] <Danko123456> But I just wanted to ask if someone has experience, since the OS X, is built on Unix, I can almost believe the guy....
[05:42] <crimsun> Cindux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/forums
[05:43] <Cindux> woah
[05:43] <Cindux> lolthanks
[05:43] <crimsun> Cindux: Ubuntu home page>Community>Web forums
[05:43] <Danko123456> ill click on it too :--
[05:44] <zAo^> can any1 help me with some themes? TA
[05:44] <Cindux> lol gotcha
[05:44] <Danko123456> What themes?
[05:44] <Cindux> the person, who gave me link ??
[05:44] <Cindux> want a referral ?
[05:44] <zAo^> Danko123456, http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/rpanther2/?branch_id=52431&release_id=186512 << this one
[05:45] <Danko123456> So what kind of help?
[05:45] <Danko123456> heh
[05:45] <Martok> Did anybody notice that Gentoo now supports the TCG?
[05:45] <Danko123456> thats a nice theme...
[05:45] <Danko123456> kinda...
[05:45] <zAo^> hehe
[05:45] <Danko123456> So what do you need>
[05:46] <zAo^> well, when I extract it to /usr/share/themes
[05:46] <zAo^> XFCE doesnt see it
[05:46] <Danko123456> YEah...
[05:46] <zAo^> when I rename the dir to gtk+2.0 it shows up, but doesnt work
[05:46] <Danko123456> Ok, Ill tell you first that I am a total beginner with this.
[05:46] <zAo^> hehe lol
[05:47] <Danko123456> But to install a theme...
[05:47] <zAo^> I think the theme engine is not started or something like that
[05:47] <Danko123456> Let me try b4 I say anything.
[05:47] <zAo^> lol :D
[05:49] <zAo^> it says on the site: It matches nicely with the GTK+ 2 part of the RPanther2 theme.
[05:49] <zAo^> :S
[05:49] <Danko123456> Well, I cant get it to work...
[05:49] <Danko123456> heheh
[05:50] <zAo^> lol, in XFCE?
[05:50] <Danko123456> It should be just open the themes click on install and select your theme...
[05:50] <zAo^> in gnome that is
[05:50] <Danko123456>  thought it worked that way...
[05:50] <Danko123456> not much of a help...
[05:50] <zAo^> :)
[05:50] <altan> Hi guys, I resolved my problems with the nvidia drivers crashing by setting "NvAGP" "1" in XF86Config-4. However, the 2D performance of nVidia's AGP driver is rather poor, and I wish I could use agpgart since it was much faster (at least in 2D, 3D mode would freeze [probably due to my problems] )
[05:51] <altan> right now I'm back to using the stock nv drivers and the 2D performance is much better since it can use agpgart
[05:51] <Danko123456> Well its supposed to work that way...
[05:52] <zAo^> Yes, but not in XFCE :)
[05:52] <Danko123456> All right...
[05:53] <terry> Okay so I tried to add splashimage=(hd0,1)/boot/GRUB/splashimages/fiesta.xpm.gz to my menu.lst
[05:53] <terry> but it didnt work
[05:54] <dryzer> salut
[05:54] <shock> moin
[05:54] <Cindux> lol :P
[05:54] <Cindux> hows everyone like my new layout
[05:54] <Cindux> http://www.skorne.com
[05:54] <Cindux> simple is good :D
[05:55] <djjason> is there a way for me to adjust the sensitivity of my laptops touchpad, the mouse settings in Desktop preferences only work for external mouses
[05:55] <Danko123456> :) you have a girls group in your gAIM?
[05:56] <shock> nice
[05:56] <shock> i like it alot
[05:56] <shock> can i have it?
[05:56] <shock> *fg*
[05:56] <Cindux> have wut ?
[05:56] <Cindux> the girls group
[05:56] <Danko123456> There is a girls group in your gaim...
[05:56] <Cindux> lol
[05:56] <Cindux> :(
[05:56] <Cindux> so
[05:57] <Danko123456> Its all good....
[05:57] <shock> no - the webpage-sources?
[05:57] <shock> :)
[05:57] <Cindux> it was when I first installed Ubuntu
[05:57] <Danko123456> I  just never seen it b4..
[05:57] <Cindux> bah
[05:57] <Cindux> lol
[05:57] <Danko123456> that someone does that....
[05:57] <Cindux> I organized my contacts when I was using MSN
[05:57] <Danko123456> a separate group for girls..enough abouit that.
[05:58] <dud> what is this "girl" thing you are talking about...?
[05:58] <Cindux> GAIM automatically put them in my msn groups
[05:58] <terry> What is the package that makes a graphical boot??
[05:58] <Cindux> dud: it's just a screenshot of GAIM on my website with a "girls group"
[05:58] <Danko123456> heh
[05:59] <dud> i saw that, but i was thinking generally this "girl" thing
[05:59] <dryzer> i have just update my ubuntu warty with synapsis, and after more one hour, i reboot dans i have :
[05:59] <Danko123456> ok...
[05:59] <dryzer> Booting 'Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.8.1-3-386.dpkg-tmp'
[05:59] <Danko123456> need more information...
[06:00] <dryzer> Filesystem type reiserfs, partition type 0x83
[06:00] <dryzer> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386.dpkg-tmp root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash
[06:00] <dryzer> Error 15: File not found
[06:00] <dryzer>  Press any key to continue
[06:00] <dryzer> and when i press a key i arrive in grub menu
[06:00] <dryzer> and all proposition give the same error
[06:01] <LinuxJones> dryzer, when it says loading grub after you re-boot, hit the ESC key and select another kernel
[06:01] <zenwhen> helloooooooooooooo ubuntuians
[06:01] <Crane> hello
[06:01] <zenwhen> sup
[06:01] <Danko123456> hey
[06:02] <Danko123456> aha.
[06:02] <LinuxJones> zenwhen, hi
[06:02] <snowblink> terry: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash
[06:02] <zenwhen> I idle here 24/7 and never say hi. I figured I would rectify this by having a bit of meaningless small talk and such.
[06:02] <dryzer> LinuxJones : hum ! all options are for the same verion of kernel in grub
[06:03] <Crane> lool
[06:03] <Crane> lol
[06:03] <csturm> hey guys! i am running ubuntu hoary on a nforce2 motherboard, and i have distorted sound
[06:03] <lool> Crane: hmm?
[06:03] <Danko123456> ok I gotta leave, I cant figure out how to stop this screen from bringing itself to foreground every time a message is sent, so Ill just leave, im no use anyhow...
[06:03] <Crane> :)
[06:03] <Danko123456> buy
[06:03] <csturm> i am using the onboard nforce sound
[06:04] <Crane> lool, I meant lol
[06:04] <Crane> sorry
[06:04] <lool> ah
[06:04] <lool> np
[06:05] <LinuxJones> dryzer, well it's probably easier to re-install than try to get back in :D
[06:05] <Cindux> damn't
[06:05] <Cindux> my web hosting company has billed me for another year automatically - . -
[06:05] <dryzer> lol
[06:05] <Cindux> lol no not funny, i used my dads cc to sign up
[06:05] <Cindux> and i dont have the $ to give him
[06:05] <LinuxJones> Cindux, rolf that's fraud
[06:05] <Crane> lol
[06:06] <Crane> try emailing them
[06:06] <Crane> or setting up payment schedule with dad
[06:06] <Crane> :)
[06:06] <Cindux> I'm in their billing area now
[06:06] <Cindux> their a great host just that i dont have the cash to continue
[06:06] <Cindux> http://www.fuitadnet.com cheap to
[06:08] <Crane> cool
[06:08] <Crane> I use hasweb
[06:08] <Crane> http://www.hasweb.com/
[06:09] <dryzer> what's the best type of filesystem ? reiserfs, ext3, jfs or xfs ?
[06:09] <Stuttergart> fat
[06:09] <Stuttergart> fat rocks
[06:09] <Stuttergart> fat12 to be specific.
[06:09] <dryzer> lol
[06:10] <Crane> I use ext3
[06:10] <Crane> don't know which would be considered "best"
[06:10] <Cindux> hm pretty good
[06:10] <zenwhen> reiser on every partition here just because \
[06:10] <Cindux> I wasted my money
[06:10] <Cindux> fuitadnet was 3gb ebspace / 25gb bandwidth
[06:11] <Cindux> and the most i had on my webspace were a few HTML files & a movie
[06:11] <Cindux> lol
[06:11] <Cindux> maybe 60gb total
[06:11] <Cindux> oops
[06:11] <Crane> lol
[06:11] <Cindux> ntogb
[06:11] <Cindux> not gb*
[06:11] <Cindux> mb *
[06:11] <Cindux> lol
[06:11] <Crane> I have about 3 gig of files on mine
[06:11] <Cindux> nice
[06:11] <Cindux> I'm going with something actually suited to my needs next
[06:11] <Crane> game files ,maps and such
[06:12] <Cindux> http://www.asmallorange.com/services/hosting/
[06:12] <Cindux> sure you've heard of them
[06:12] <bruno> hi
[06:12] <Cindux> hello!
[06:13] <bruno> hi cindux
[06:13] <Crane> http://www.hasweb.com/experience/hasweb_hostingplans.html
[06:14] <Cindux> could not be found :(
[06:14] <dryzer> for my problem about update who failed on reboot, do you know what is the source ?
[06:15] <dryzer> in synapsis i choos "update simply", not "intelligent update"
[06:15] <Crane> Cindux, be sure to check has web, some of their priced are yearly but they are cheaper than most
[06:15] <CreeVal> Anyone encounter this message when trying til change resolution in Gnome? :"The X Server does not support the XRandR extension. Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available."
[06:16] <CreeVal> (Getting a bit tired of waiting for forum answers... :P)
[06:16] <Crane> lol
[06:16] <Crane> CreeVal, what are you trying to do?
[06:16] <Crane> what res are you changing to
[06:17] <CreeVal> Well i cant really change any because this message pops up everytime i try
[06:19] <Crane> CreeVal, did you see this post?
[06:19] <Crane> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12002&highlight=XRandR+extension
[06:19] <Crane> sounds like you have ATI maybe?
[06:19] <CreeVal> Yeah...Stupid ATI
[06:19] <CreeVal> *will read post*
[06:19] <CreeVal> (tried searching btw...)
[06:20] <Crane> this one has some more info as well
[06:21] <Crane> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5357&highlight=XRandR+extension
[06:21] <Crane> Sorry I use nvidia myself and don't know much about ATI
[06:21] <CreeVal> Wierd i didn't get the post when searching... Thx Crane... :)
[06:21] <CreeVal> This was my first and last ATI card btw...
[06:22] <Crane> no problem I actually did a search on  XRandR extension
[06:22] <CreeVal> Wierd... :P
[06:22] <Crane> :)
[06:22] <CreeVal> I searched on the excact same frase... :P
[06:22] <CreeVal> (impatient me... :P)
[06:24] <terry> okay one more thing.  My internet isnt being automatically configured
[06:24] <terry> I have to add the route and bring up the interface manually
[06:24] <terry> where should I fix this??
[06:24] <terry> /etc/network/interfaces shows the nic
[06:24] <terry> however it doesnt automatically come up
[06:25] <DagaZ> anyone here using icewm??
[06:29] <spiral> hi
[06:30] <LinuxJones> hi spiral
[06:30] <spiral> I just saw a web page on the internet speaking about smart batteries handled on ubuntu after a kernel recompilation
[06:31] <spiral> does anyone here know if the normal ubuntu kernel will soon be patched to handle this ?
[06:32] <prego> how do I repartition an USB-flash-drive?
[06:32] <prego> just fdisk /dev/sda and deleting existing partition and creating new ones?
[06:33] <prego> will the OS just detect the partitions?
[06:38] <CreeVal> Bah, stupid ATI card...
[06:38] <CreeVal> *considering switch to my old GeForce 4 Ti4200 card...*
[06:39] <spiral> souki gave me this link... Do you think that the patch could be integrated in ubuntu ? http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~dbildh/Linux_On_TM4001/#smartbattery
[06:39] <prego> I have had to unplug de usb-flash-drive and plug it again in order to re-generate de /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2...
[06:42] <ewhitten> Is this the right place for hoary questions?
[06:43] <csturm> ewhitten: sure
[06:43] <ewhitten> Just a basic one:  Where did all the mono packages go?
[06:43] <ewhitten> I could have sworn they were there yesterday.
[06:46] <phaemon> hiya...I have a problem with apt-get/synaptic...it doesn't find the files, even though the address looks to be good.  This is running off a livecd
[06:46] <csturm> ewhitten: they are all there, i am installing them right now
[06:47] <ewhitten> csturm:  Hmm.  I just reloaded from hoary and I'm not seeing any of them in synaptic.  strange...
[06:47] <Treyck> hi all
[06:47] <ewhitten> Treyck:  mornin.  well, sorta.
[06:47] <Treyck> anyone german ?
[06:47] <phaemon> can anyone help?
[06:48] <csturm> ewhitten: do you have multiverse and universe in your apt.sources?
[06:48] <ewhitten> csturm:  ahhh..  universe, yes.  multiverse, no.
[06:49] <website> where are locatd the files used by ubuntu to create the menus (in gnome)?
[06:49] <pybe-lappy> just logged in and this change password dialog has come up saying my password has expired, whats the deal
[06:49] <ewhitten> website:  check /usr/share/applications?
[06:49] <tolstoy> folks, my "theme" widget is messed up.  Every theme icon has a question mark on it, and the thing doesn't scroll right.  Is there a way to "clean it out?"  Removing .themes doesn't fix anything.
[06:49] <Treyck> anyone german here `?
[06:49] <tolstoy> Logged in as another user: things seem okay.
[06:49] <ewhitten> Treyck:  I'm not german, but I can speak it somewhat. ;)
[06:50] <website> ewhitten, gonna do that since i look at debian-menu stuff
[06:50] <tolstoy> (hoary, btw)
[06:50] <csturm> ewhitten: i'm not sure where they are but possibly in multiverse :)
[06:50] <Treyck> ewhitten,have you learned it on school ?
[06:51] <ewhitten> csturm:  where can I add multiverse? right with the others after universe?  Just wanting to make sure it's the same server.
[06:51] <ewhitten> Treyck:  yes, a couple years in high school, plus relatives there. :)
[06:51] <csturm> ewhitten: write it after universe
[06:51] <pybe-lappy> heh, its evolution telling me to change my exchange password =)
[06:52] <Treyck> ewhitten what nationality are you ?
[06:52] <ewhitten> Treyck:  american
[06:52] <phaemon> umm...if it helps, apt-get update returns: Get:1 http://people.ubuntu.com ./ Packages [3734B] 
[06:52] <phaemon> E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[06:53] <prego> wooohooo! it worked ;-) Now I have a 1Gb pendrive with a 125Mb vfat partition and a 880Mb reiserfs partition!!
[06:53] <ewhitten> spiral:  I just joined.  What's up?
[06:53] <ewhitten> phaemon:  have you been editing your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[06:53] <phaemon> ewhitten: No, this is just booted off a livecd
[06:53] <spiral> ewhitten: support for smart batteries under hoary
[06:54] <Mitario> anyone else experiencing problems with printing to windows XP shared printers?
[06:54] <Treyck> ewhitten what state ?
[06:54] <ewhitten> phaemon:  Hmm.  I haven't played with the Hoary live cd, just the full install.
[06:55] <phaemon> ewhitten: Well, my /etc/apt/sources.list is:
[06:55] <ewhitten> Treyck:  I live in Cambridge (Massachusetts), practically down the street from all those ximian/novell guys.
[06:55] <phaemon> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main
[06:55] <phaemon> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/LiveCD/warthog ./
[06:55] <phaemon> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/LiveCD/morphix ./
[06:55] <ewhitten> prego:  nice!
[06:56] <phaemon> it says they're all unavailable
[06:56] <phaemon> but I can see them in firefox
[06:56] <ewhitten> yeah.  are those trailing ./ 's all in your sources.list file?
[06:56] <ewhitten> that seems a bit odd.
[06:57] <phaemon> ewhitten: yes, they are
[06:57] <Treyck> oh,cambridge,nice
[06:57] <ewhitten> phaemon:  try removing them and doing an apt-get update
[06:57] <Treyck> are you jobbing in the it or just interested in linux ?
[06:57] <prego> ewhitten, soon I will write these flash-usb experiences at www.barrapunto.com/~prego . Stay tunned ;-)
[06:58] <ewhitten> prego:  very cool.
[06:58] <snowblink> Is anyone using the new Skype?
[06:59] <phaemon> ewhitten: now it says the line is malformed...I guess it needs a dir of some sort at the end
[06:59] <ewhitten> Treyck:  Right now, I work for a biz intel company doing data warehouse stuff, but yeah, I've been doing linux stuff since about '96.  I may be starting a job with a new company in a couple months, migrating their entire desktop systems to linux :)
[06:59] <prego> snowblink, just installed it... not yet tested (and I have not a microphone right now)
[06:59] <ewhitten> phaemon:  let me try to play around with it.  one sec.
[06:59] <ewhitten> snowblink:  I'm compiling it now on my laptop.
[06:59] <snowblink> prego: Right. Tell me if you can hear it ring. Everything else seems to work though.
[07:00] <Treyck> ewhitten wow,nice, how old r u ?
[07:01] <ewhitten> Treyck: 24
[07:01] <Treyck> ah,i see
[07:02] <Treyck> i'm just 19
[07:02] <shock> re hi
[07:02] <phaemon> what on earth is wrong with this?  Now I can't edit files in a term?
[07:02] <ewhitten> phaemon:  what's going on?
[07:02] <ewhitten> any errors?
[07:02] <ewhitten> Treyck:  keep it up.  In my day, we didn't have this fancy GUI thing... ;)
[07:04] <snowblink> ewhitten: let me know if you can make it ring
[07:04] <phaemon> I don't know...the term stops responding if I hit tab, or if I type the full path, it just locks as well...
[07:06] <goofykinky> hi everyone..
[07:06] <ewhitten> goofykinky:  yo.
[07:07] <goofykinky> does anyone knows whats the last date stable version of the warty distribution?
[07:07] <pepperpot> How do I set ubuntu to use my Soundblaster Live instead on onboard sound as the default? My SBLive is detected and available in volume control.
[07:07] <kzm> Hi.  I have a problem.
[07:08] <ewhitten> pepperpot:  which one is sound device 0?
[07:08] <pepperpot> ewhitten, on board. The sblive is hw:1,0 i believe
[07:08] <phaemon> it's done it again....hmm....I have to say I've never had this problem on linux before...
[07:08] <ewhitten> phaemon:  still working on your problem, trying to get  my apt-get to try out your files.
[07:08] <kzm> My provider DHCPs me braindamaged DNS servers.  I've installed dnsmasq, which works nicely from nslookup.  But resolv.conf gets updated (overwritten)
[07:08] <mjr> pepperpot, I tend to just stick on-board sound driver modules into /etc/hotplug/blacklist, so the damn thing won't be used at all. There may be another solution, but that works :)
[07:08] <ewhitten> pepperpot:  do you use the onboard at all?
[07:08] <kzm> How do I make it stop?
[07:09] <pepperpot> ewhitten, i plan to use it a bit, yes
[07:09] <ewhitten> pepperpot:  or you can just switch which is device 0 and 1 in your alsa modules, then reboot.
[07:09] <lamont> phaemon: and useless, and apt-http is broken on the livecd
[07:09] <pepperpot> ewhitten, maybe i should tell alsa to change the rank of the soundcards?
[07:09] <pepperpot> ewhitten, i remember there's a module option for that
[07:09] <lamont> phaemon: wrt the apt/sources.list lines on the warty livecd
[07:10] <snowblink> goofykinky: do you mean hoary?
[07:10] <phaemon> lamont: yeah?
[07:10] <pepperpot> ewhitten, i was just wondering if there was a higher level option rather than going down to the module to renumber the cards
[07:10] <pisuke> kzm, you can configure dnsmasq to use a different file than resolv.conf. look at /etc/dnsmasq.conf
[07:10] <ewhitten> pepperpot:  yeah, I'm digging around now. :)
[07:10] <lamont> phaemon: yeah - those are the repositories that were used to build the livecd
[07:10] <lamont> they won't be updated, and include no warty bits
[07:10] <phaemon> lamont: oh...Ok...so I need to use different ones?
[07:11] <lamont> yeah - but apt will fail if you give it an http: target on the livecd.  known b ug
[07:11] <kzm> pisuke: not sure I understand.  I think the problem is DHCP that keeps resetting resolv.conf to use broken servers
[07:12] <phaemon> lamont: Ok...I'll find an ftp one then
[07:12] <phaemon> thanks...
[07:12] <phaemon> any idea why my term keeps locking up?
[07:12] <pisuke> kzm, yep, but you're using dnsmasq. don't you?
[07:12] <kzm> pisuke: well, I would like to.  It seems programs are accessing external servers nonetheless.
[07:13] <pepperpot> ewhitten, i did this in my debian install: alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k and alias snd-card-1 snd-via82xx
[07:13] <kzm> pisuke: nslookup on any domain uses localhost, and returns almost instantly, using any other program takes a long time to resolve
[07:14] <pepperpot> ewhitten, good thing about ubuntu is I can resort to some of my debian experiences
[07:14] <pisuke> kzm, you can make a resolv.conf.kzm with nameserver .... then edit dnsmasq.conf to use resolv.conf.kzm
[07:14] <phaemon> this is so weird.  I opened gedit and it locked up when I tried to switch to the /etc/apt directory
[07:14] <warty> I tryid to install ubuntu, but it says to @cannot start graprhics x server@, but this liveeval works, whats wrong?
[07:14] <ewhitten> pepperpot:  yeah, I'm coming more from the redhat/fedora side.
[07:14] <phaemon> it's like that dir is no longer available to me
[07:14] <ewhitten> apt is what pulled me over here. :)
[07:14] <pepperpot> hehe
[07:15] <ewhitten> pepperpot:  have you looked at /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base?
[07:15] <maximaus> ewhitten:  you know there's apt for Fedora and it works well, but it's a lot slower for some reason than apt for Ubuntu/Debian.
[07:15] <pepperpot> ewhitten, yep. I've got it sorted it i think. I'm copying my debian configs over into /etc/modutils
[07:16] <ewhitten> maximaus:  yeah, I know.  I was using it for awhile, but I just got tired of dealing with rpms
[07:16] <kzm> pisuke: I think my problem is that dnsmasq is bypassed by libc ... am I wrong?
[07:16] <kzm> pisuke: how does the applications know to use dnsmasq?
[07:16] <kzm> ^does^do
[07:16] <phaemon> warty: maybe copy the /etc/X11/XF86Config file from your livecd to your real system?
[07:16] <ewhitten> I keep ubuntu on my laptop, and vmware installs of suse 9.2, fc3, and nld9
[07:16] <pepperpot> I'm weirded out by the fact that ubuntu has no root password
[07:17] <Dethread> pepperpot, just set one :)
[07:17] <pepperpot> Dethread, I know :) I'm just savouring the weirdness!!
[07:17] <SmokingFire> I just checked out VLC player on Windows and its very cool, what are the chances of it being included (standard) with ubuntu. No messing with codecs anymore. A player that does all.
[07:17] <Dethread> hehe
[07:17] <ewhitten> pepperpot:  I was at first, but I've been using sudo for so long, I didn't really notice
[07:17] <phaemon> ack...I'm gonna reset this thing...biab
[07:18] <ewhitten> SmokingFire:  VLC tends to work really well for me.
[07:18] <ewhitten> although, not so sure about the mozilla plugin...
[07:18] <maximaus> pepperpot: by default only the first user on your system will be able to run "sudo" if that's of interest
[07:18] <SmokingFire> ewhitten: Yeah, thats why I think it should perhaps replace Totemplayer
[07:19] <ewhitten> SmokingFire:  are you using totem with the xine or gstreamer backend?
[07:19] <ewhitten> just curious.
[07:19] <SmokingFire> xine backend
[07:19] <pepperpot> thx maximaus, I checked the sudoers :)
[07:19] <Martok> Hey, when's the new Ubuntu coming out?
[07:19] <Dethread> Martok, april
[07:19] <Treyck> Ich bin Deutsch,ewhitten msste das verstehen,er kann Deutsch sprechen.
[07:19] <Martok> Excellent.
[07:19] <Dethread> Treyck, ich auch :)
[07:19] <Treyck> ah :)
[07:20] <Treyck> war ein test,ewhitten is nmlich ami,kann aber deutsch ;)
[07:20] <ewhitten> Treyck:  Ich spreche ein wenig Deutsch.   umm. what's "rusty" auf Deutsch? ;)
[07:20] <SmokingFire> ewhitten: but it noticed that when using ubuntu and tomtem-xine and playing dvd the cpu usage is high. However using windows with a pro player (come with dvd drive) the cpu usage is way low and now hick ups at all.
[07:20] <maximaus> "rostig"?
[07:20] <Treyck> you asking thins ... :)
[07:21] <ewhitten> maximaus:  thanks.
[07:21] <SmokingFire> For me it means that dvd playing codecs in xine are not as advanced/optimized
[07:21] <maximaus> ewhitten: LOL, that's swedish, btw :P
[07:21] <Treyck> Dethread,woher bekomme ich Zusatzsoftware fr mein Ubuntu ?ich bentige Entwicklungssoftware,gibt es da spezielle dinge,oder muss ich mir die einzelnen tools runterladen ?
[07:21] <maximaus> SmokingFire: have you tried mplayer?
[07:21] <ewhitten> Treyck:  I really need to get back to learning German.  I'm headed there next October most likely.
[07:21] <pepperpot> How should I install nvidia's drivers on ubuntu? is it in universe?
[07:21] <Treyck> nice
[07:21] <ewhitten> pepperpot:  I just did that.
[07:22] <Dethread> treyck, was genau brauchst du denn?
[07:22] <pepperpot> ewhitten, how did you do it? was it easy?
[07:22] <ewhitten> pepperpot:  get linux-restricted-modules for your kernel version.
[07:22] <SmokingFire> maximaus: I havn't, will it better on cpu usage?
[07:22] <Treyck> editoren fr z.B. c++ ,aber auch php etc.
[07:22] <pepperpot> ewhitten, how do i set my apt sources? should i just vi /etc/apt/sources?
[07:22] <ewhitten> pepperpot:  yes, as root.
[07:22] <Dethread> Treyck, das meiste ist natuerlich in den repositories....evtl. auch mal in denen von debian schauen. ansonsten direkt vom "hersteller" pakete oder source saugen
[07:23] <pepperpot> ewhitten, i'm also expecting GUI's for everyting ? ;)
[07:23] <maximaus> pepperpot: or you can do it with the (gasp) synaptic gui. :P
[07:23] <Dethread> Treyck, schau Dir mal anjuta an, das gefaellt mir ganz gut
[07:23] <fraggsta> I've googled for this and found nothing..when I do "X -configure", I get an error message of something like "Missing output drivers".  Help!
[07:23] <Dethread> Treyck, ist 'ne IDE zum entwickeln...
[07:23] <pepperpot> maximaus, ooh nice, under repositories?
[07:23] <maximaus> pepperpot:  ya
[07:23] <ewhitten> maximaus: don't spoil him too much. ;)
[07:23] <cetanhota> what do I need to chage in SFT to allow a user to move out of their home directory?
[07:24] <cetanhota> I mean SFTP
[07:24] <pepperpot> maximaus, I don't have to type in any uri's? just check the boxes?
[07:24] <Treyck> woher kommst Dethread ?
[07:24] <maximaus> pepperpot, yeah to just enable universe and multiverse, just check the boxes and refresh the package lists.
[07:25] <Dethread> Treyck, naehe von Goettingen...lebe aber seit 3 Jahren in den USA
[07:25] <ewhitten> maximaus: next thing you know, he's going to want things to install by clicking next, next, finish!
[07:25] <kzm> Let me ask it more generally: how does libc determine where to send DNS queries?
[07:25] <Treyck> ah,ist schn da ?
[07:25] <kzm> Apparently it is not resolv.conf, contrary to the manual pages
[07:26] <Dethread> Treyck, naja...kann ueberall schoen sein :)
[07:26] <Martok> Anybody using Ubuntu as a server?
[07:26] <maximaus> ewhitten: isn't that click, scroll through lengthy license, click I accept...
[07:26] <ewhitten> something tells me gaim IRC isn't resolving all these umlauts right.
[07:26] <kzm> Martok: trying to, as a DNS server, except it doesn't work wery well
[07:26] <Martok> Why not kzm?
[07:26] <ewhitten> maximaus:  the worst is when they disable the accept button until *after* you've scrolled the license.
[07:26] <phaemon> lamont: yay!  switched it to ftp and it's working fine
[07:26] <phaemon> many thanks
[07:26] <maximaus> ewhitten: gaim is a little goofy with IRC (though I'm using it now), Xchat is better with German/Swedish in my experience.
[07:27] <ewhitten> I'm installing WoW on my laptop and just had to do that.
[07:27] <kzm> Martok: apparently, resolv.conf isn't used, and I am at a loss to find out where apps determine their DNS servers
[07:27] <ewhitten> phaemon: glad to hear it!
[07:27] <neofeed> where has application:/// gone?
[07:27] <phaemon> thanks for looking ewhitten
[07:27] <neofeed> nautilus tells me: location not found
[07:27] <Martok> Hmm...
[07:27] <kzm> ...perhaps I must restart something, but I've no idea what
[07:28] <ewhitten> no problem, but I definitely wouldn't have known that apt-http was broken.
[07:28] <goldfish> Hello there, I'm getting an error from "apt-get install xmms"
[07:28] <Martok> What error?
[07:29] <goldfish> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:29] <goldfish> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:29] <goldfish> is only available from another source
[07:29] <Soap_On_A_Roap> is there a way to get more Panel Buttons, like for different thing
[07:29] <goldfish> I'm brand new to linux, and im at a loss :/
[07:29] <Martok> Did you add more apt repositories?
[07:29] <goldfish> Soap_On_A_Roap: Right click, add to panel
[07:29] <Dethread> Soap_On_A_Roap, right click the panel, choose "Add to panel"
[07:29] <Soap_On_A_Roap> no i know
[07:29] <Soap_On_A_Roap> but I mean like different ibuttons
[07:30] <pepperpot> in synaptic, what does a filled box with a yellow star mean?
[07:30] <Martok> goldfish: Did you add more apt-get repositories?
[07:30] <Dethread> Soap_On_A_Roap, in the list, pick "Custom Application launcher"
[07:30] <goldfish> Martok: nope
[07:30] <Soap_On_A_Roap> ok
[07:30] <Soap_On_A_Roap> ty
[07:30] <Martok> That could be your problem.
[07:30] <pepperpot> ewhitten, did you install nvidia-glx?
[07:30] <ewhitten> pepperpot:  yup.  you need that.
[07:30] <Martok> Once I tried installing xmms and I realized I forgot to add the other repositories.
[07:30] <goldfish> Martok: Ah ok, I only installed this today. First time using linu
[07:31] <goldfish> *linux
[07:31] <Tux-Rox> Has anyone seen an issue with the 2.6.7 smp kernel not being able to see reiserfs partitions? The module is loaded, but I can't see the data on the drive.
[07:31] <ewhitten> goldfish: well, you're doing good so far. :)
[07:31] <goldfish> ewhitten: lol
[07:31] <pepperpot> ewhitten, well, I'm gettin 1280x1024 without it. I just want the hardware acceleration for some 3d niceness
[07:31] <Martok> goldfish: Goto ubuntuguide.org
[07:31] <Martok> Everything will be explained there.
[07:32] <goldfish> Ok, cheers.
[07:32] <ewhitten> pepperpot:  using the nvidia-glx stuff will speed up your window drawing and everything.
[07:32] <pepperpot> ewhitten, oh my god, this is so easy. Will I even have to restart X?
[07:32] <ewhitten> not to mention my huge gradient desktop doesn't have colored rings.
[07:32] <ewhitten> pepperpot:  yes, you need to log out and restart X with Ctrl+Alt+backspace.
[07:33] <fraggsta> pepperpot: to get 3D acceleration, yes
[07:33] <mystk> hey there ... newbie to Ubuntu looking for some help ... with sound card issues ...
[07:33] <ewhitten> assuming that the module install editing your x config correctly.  If not, you might have to tweak that a bit.
[07:33] <Martok> mystk: What issues?
[07:33] <fraggsta> mystk: just spit it out and anyone who can help, will
[07:34] <ewhitten> pepperpot: and you might want to check to make sure that you have nvidia module set to load on boot
[07:34] <mystk> i'm running a Guillemot [Hurcules]  Maxisound Muse sound card ... the card is recognize in the Device Manager but i can't get sound from the cd ...
[07:34] <pepperpot> ewhitten, I just looked at my new XF86Config. Ubuntu does everything! holy smokes!
[07:34] <pepperpot> ok see you back in a bit. alt-ctrl-backspace now
[07:35] <larsrohdin> hi, are there any need to use a antivirus program in ubuntu?
[07:35] <fraggsta> mystk: run "sudo alsamixer" from a terminal and try raising the levels on all the mixer controls.  Especially look for a "CD" mixer control
[07:36] <fraggsta> mystk: play a CD at the same time, for a bit of instant feedback as to what works :)
[07:36] <mystk> well i went into the volume control and there are a pille of mixers in there ...
[07:36] <ewhitten> mystk:  also, the PCM control...
[07:36] <mystk> when i fooled around with the level s i got nothing ...
[07:36] <mystk> PCM okay i'll try that ...
[07:37] <pAntZ> anybody here got a samba mount mounted in their /etc/fstab?
[07:37] <Martok> I've also had troube with sound.
[07:37] <Martok> trouble*
[07:37] <Martok> I just used an amplifier.
[07:38] <ewhitten> the sound controls are much nicer in the gnome 2.10 betas
[07:38] <larsrohdin> do i need a antivirusprogram in ubuntu?
[07:38] <pAntZ> larsrohdin, no
[07:39] <pAntZ> not yet :P
[07:39] <Martok> Anti virus for Linux? Ahahaha!!!!
[07:39] <Tux-Rox> Anyone know how to install a new GNOME splash image?
[07:39] <larsrohdin> pAntZ, ok, did'nt think so either... what about spyware and stuff like that?
[07:39] <pAntZ> larsrohdin, nope
[07:39] <Martok> Hahaha!!!!!
[07:39] <Martok> Anti spyware!!
[07:39] <phaemon> Martok: well, it does exist...for servers...samba shares, you know...
[07:40] <Martok> Yeah, I know.
[07:40] <Martok> I know that there's a Linux port of bit defender.
[07:40] <zeedo> theres sophos for linux too
[07:40] <Martok> But I mean... come on! Ho ho!
[07:40] <mystk> so i've maxed out all the Volume, CD, and PCM sliders on ALL four mixers and still no sound ...
[07:40] <larsrohdin> pAntZ, ok nice... im kinda new to linux but I was kinda sure that i wouldn't need any such stuff... We can just lay back and laugh at all the windows-users, spammed with viruses and spyware=)
[07:40] <phaemon> hehe...true enough...
[07:41] <maximoose> ewhitten, what's changed with the sound controld with Gnome2.10? Personally, I find right clicking on the volume applet and getting a mixer is pretty decent...
[07:41] <GammaRay> Tux-Rox: there might be a key in gconf-editor
[07:41] <Martok> larsrohdin: Yes, let's throw our heads back and laugh at all the Windows users!
[07:41] <Martok> Ha ha ha!
[07:41] <larsrohdin> *LMAO*
[07:41] <Tux-Rox> GammaRay, Makes sense, I'll check it out.
[07:42] <ewhitten> maximoose:  it's basically the same, but simplified.  It looks like they merged some of the dozen or so mixers that alsa gives.
[07:42] <maximoose> ewhitten, well that's not a bad thing then. :D
[07:43] <ewhitten> anyone else here using evolution 2.1.4 on hoary?
[07:43] <ewhitten> nevermind!
[07:43] <csturm> i do
[07:43] <GammaRay> never did
[07:44] <mystk> fraggsta: so i've maxed out all the Volume, CD, and PCM sliders on ALL four mixers and still no sound ...
[07:44] <Dethread> thunderbird all the way :)
[07:44] <Dethread> mystk, do you also have on-board sound, besides your soundcard?
[07:44] <mystk> it's disabled in the BIOS ...
[07:44] <Dethread> hm
[07:44] <csturm> is there a tool in ubuntu that can compress pdf files? i need to convert it to a lower resolution...
[07:44] <mystk> yup .. *scratching head*
[07:44] <GammaRay> Dethread: captin mayflour and the wayward defenders of prissy land?
[07:45] <Dethread> GammaRay, what?
[07:46] <Dethread> whaa
[07:46] <mystk> Dethread: craziness ... bbut any ideas why i can't get audio from my cd?
[07:48] <maximoose> mystik: you probably don't have a soundcard cable, use digital instead (Totem plays CDs this way great)
[07:49] <ewhitten> ahh nothing like converting my outlook contacts to evolution.
[07:49] <mystk> maximoose: i turned up the Digital faders in the VolControl ... nada ...
[07:49] <Tux-Rox> GammaRay, yup, it's in GConf. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
[07:49] <Dethread> mystk, no idea...do mp3s work?
[07:49] <maximoose> mystik, what are you using to play CDs?
[07:50] <mystk> Dethread: i will soon find out ... downloading a mix now ...
[07:50] <mystk> maximoose: LG CD-RW 8x4x32 ...
[07:50] <mystk> i know old tech
[07:50] <maximoose> mystk, I mean, which program? :P
[07:51] <mystk> maximoose: oh sorry ... CD-Player built into Ubuntu ...
[07:51] <Tux-Rox> My next big challenge with Ubuntu is disabling certain sound events. It seems impossible to disable individual sound evens. Anyone know how?
[07:52] <maximoose> mystk, the default Gnome CD player won't work without a soundcard cable. Use either Totem, or xmms (tick "digital extraction" in xmms's pref)
[07:52] <ewhitten> Tux-Rox:  going to Desktop -> Preferences -> Sound, then "Sound Events" tab isn't what you're looking for?
[07:53] <Tux-Rox> ewhitten, Ya, but how would I disable just a couple of sound events? You can't do it from there.
[07:53] <mystk> maximoose: okay will try that ...
[07:53] <pepperpot> xmms complains on startup: libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:53] <pepperpot> it works after apt-get install libmikmod2
[07:54] <Tux-Rox> ewhitten, I tire of the drum sound for damn near every action I do in Ubuntu...
[07:54] <pepperpot> the dependencies need to be fixed
[07:54] <kzm> Anybody know how to get dhclient to *stop* updating resolv conf?
[07:54] <ewhitten> pepperpot:  known issue.  i have a link for you!
[07:54] <pepperpot> ah, ok
[07:54] <pepperpot> Tux-Rox, replace the drum sound with a symbol. ba-dum-bum
[07:54] <pepperpot> ching
[07:55] <Tux-Rox> :-)
[07:55] <pepperpot> cymbal*
[07:55] <pepperpot> that was a freudian slip, i guess
[07:55] <Tux-Rox> pepperpot, I just had an epiphany. Create an empty sound file..... DOH!
[07:55] <ewhitten> pepperpot:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:56] <ewhitten> scroll down to nvidia section
[07:56] <pepperpot> ewhitten, the binary driver installed automatically the way you suggested
[07:56] <pepperpot> ewhitten, very nice
[07:56] <sabine> Hi all!
[07:57] <pepperpot> Hello!
[07:57] <sabine> Are there Ximian Artwork packages for Ubuntu?
[07:57] <ewhitten> sabine:  looking for anything in particular?
[07:57] <maximoose> sabine: do try gnome-look.org or art.gnome.org
[07:57] <kzm> \me swears loudly.
[07:58] <sabine> ewhitten: Yes, the OpenOffice.org icons
[07:58] <zzyber> have anyone succes with installing dvdrip or mplayer from binary???
[07:58] <ewhitten> sabine:  I don't blame you.
[07:58] <ewhitten> zzyber:  I just installed mplayer from hoary multiverse
[07:58] <davix> how can i check if ubuntu recognizes my soundcard or if its malfanctioning?
[07:58] <maximoose> zzyber: I had to compile mplayer, which was rather easy.
[07:58] <sabine> ewhitten: And why would you?
[07:58] <Dethread> yeah, I installed mplayer from source too....
[07:59] <ewhitten> sabine:  I was sympathizing.  The current ones are a little bland.
[07:59] <zzyber> ewhitten, whats the source.list entry for that?
[07:59] <{MSX}> hi, i'm going to try Ubuntu on my pc.. The installation process is similar to Debian? or is something else ?
[07:59] <mroth> does anyone have this thing where openoffice freezes for like 4-5 full minutes when launching?
[08:00] <sabine> ewhitten: Indeed ... mildly spoken
[08:00] <ewhitten> {MSX}:  yes, pretty similar.  but I think you might find it a bit more simplified.
[08:00] <Dethread> {MSX}, it is much easier than debian
[08:00] <ewhitten> sabine:  I'm just that nice... almost.
[08:00] <ewhitten> zzyber:  do you have the universe lines uncommented?
[08:00] <{MSX}> is it maybe the new Debian-installer ?
[08:00] <pepperpot> do i need to reboot to make sure my alsa modules get reloaded, or can i just go down to run level something or other
[08:00] <zzyber> ewhitten, yes
[08:01] <ewhitten> just add the word "multiverse" (minus the quotes) after that.
[08:01] <davix> how can i check if ubuntu recognizes my soundcard or if its malfanctioning?
[08:01] <ewhitten> zzyber: it looks like mplayer installation pulled in all the libdvdplay/read libs too.
[08:01] <pepperpot> {MSX}, ubuntu is very nice. So far it seems as powerful and configurable as debian, but the default install is much more usable and useful
[08:02] <mario> Hi, what's the root password of the Ubuntu's Postgresql??
[08:02] <ewhitten> davix:  does your mixer icon work?
[08:02] <ewhitten> davix: often when sound modules aren't loading, you will try to alter the sound and it will immediately zero out.
[08:03] <davix> ewhitten, yeah, it even says ensoniq creative sb 128pci
[08:03] <davix> but it plays no sound
[08:03] <sabine> Hmm
[08:03] <ewhitten> hmm.  you could try the alsamixer on the command line
[08:03] <ewhitten> sabine:  I'm not seeing ximian-artwork packages.
[08:03] <sabine> No Ximian pixmaps on any of these pages
[08:04] <ewhitten> but you could have good luck with some of the icon sets on gnome-look.
[08:04] <sabine> BeatrIX has got them; they must be around somewhere
[08:04] <sabine> Nope, neither gnome-look nor art.gnome.org
[08:04] <zzyber> ewhitten, no it wont work......hmm, whats the diffrent between hoary and warty?
[08:04] <prego> ewhitten, if you know spanish ->  www.barrapunto.com/~prego/journal
[08:04] <prego> ewhitten, I expect traducing to english all that stuff any soon...
[08:05] <ewhitten> zzyber:  hoary is the new developmental version, release in april.  gnome 2.10 beta, evolution 2.2 beta...
[08:05] <Tux-Rox> join
[08:05] <ewhitten> zzyber:  but pretty stable I think.
[08:05] <sabine> prego: s/traduce/translate
[08:05] <davix> ewhitten, it's runing, but yet no sound is coming out of my speakers.
[08:05] <prego> sabine, my translation will be veeery funny ;-P
[08:05] <prego> good bye folks
[08:05] <zzyber> ewhitten, so i could do a apt-get dist-upgrade with that and be pretty stable
[08:05] <ewhitten> prego:  If you want help with it, let me know
[08:05] <ewhitten> at least on the english side.
[08:06] <prego> ewhitten, thanks for your offering ;-) I'll let you know.
[08:06] <ewhitten> zzyber:  yeah, you will probably need to -f the apt-get, though.
[08:06] <sabine> prego :)
[08:06] <ewhitten> and maybe do it a couple times to get everything.
[08:08] <ewhitten> sabine: i think I found it :)
[08:09] <ewhitten> sabine:  hm. maybe not.  check this out:  http://ooextras.sourceforge.net/downloads/artwork/index.php?tab=All
[08:09] <PuGz> My sound in gnome doesn't seem to work, and there is no alsaconf now that i have upgraded to the latest alsa... however, aplay still works fine, as does alsamixer... any ideas?
[08:09] <ewhitten> sabine:  haha or maybe not.  "no ximian artwork was used in the production..."
[08:09] <PuGz> is alsaconf missing on purpose?
[08:10] <PuGz> anyone else have a problem with sound running in gnome?
[08:10] <ewhitten> pugz:  a few people seem to be, yeah
[08:10] <PuGz> i am using warty btw
[08:10] <PuGz> bugger
[08:10] <PuGz> intel8x0 is my sound card
[08:10] <ewhitten> PuGz: I have the same one.
[08:11] <PuGz> i am thinking a simple sudo apt-get dist-upgrade would do it... but on dialup i wouldnt dare! i can goto uni and do it starting in march...
[08:11] <pepperpot> I just sorted out my alsa sound problem. I put in a new file under /etc/modprobe.d
[08:11] <PuGz> ewhitten, is your working?
[08:11] <ewhitten> PuGz:  does esdplay work?
[08:11] <ewhitten> yes
[08:12] <PuGz> what version of alsa? kernel? gnome? esound?
[08:13] <PuGz> do you have the command alsaconf available to you? my setup doesnt have that command... for some reason
[08:14] <PuGz> does /dev/dsp have anything to do with sound? or just movies? what is it? the reason i ask: i cant seem to play ANY movie files (even those without sound built into them) in totem... it complains that /dev/dsp doesnt exist
[08:15] <darksatanic> PuGz: It's to do with sound.
[08:15] <PuGz> would that be related to my sound problem?
[08:15] <pepperpot> PuGz, /dev/dsp is from OSS the old sound system
[08:15] <darksatanic> Specifically, it's the _old_ sound interface.
[08:15] <pepperpot> PuGz, alsa emulates OSS
[08:15] <darksatanic> You need to configure totem to use ALSA, or use the OSS-emulation modules from ALSA.
[08:16] <PuGz> ok
[08:16] <zhukov> Helloooooooooooooooou
[08:16] <pepperpot> I just installed ubuntu this morning. ALSA just worked right off the bat, albeit with onboard sound instead of my sblive
[08:16] <PuGz> darksatanic, how do i configure totem to use alsa?
[08:17] <zhukov> PuGz,
[08:17] <zhukov> go runlvl 3
[08:17] <pepperpot> PuGz, I don't think you do, directly. TOTEM uses gstreamer. You configure gstreamer
[08:17] <zhukov> cd .gnome2
[08:17] <ewhitten> run gstreamer-properties
[08:17] <darksatanic> PuGz: I don't know. I don't use totem.
[08:17] <zhukov> pico totem_conifg
[08:17] <zhukov> *config
[08:17] <PuGz> pepperpot, my onboard sound did NOT work straight off the bat... it was like the only thing that didnt.. except obviously my winmodem, which although i can get working with other distros, debian and ubuntu hate it!
[08:17] <zhukov> *sudo pico totem_config
[08:18] <zhukov> PuGz,
[08:18] <zhukov> in the wiki
[08:18] <PuGz> zhukov, why do this in run level 3?
[08:18] <FAST> can anyone tell me how to mount the winxp partition of this hard drive real quick?   something mount -t /dev/hda0 /media/winxp ?
[08:18] <Tux-Rox> I installed mozilla mplayerplug-in but the browser doesn't see it. Anyone have this happen?
[08:18] <ewhitten> FAST:  mount -t <partition type> /dev/hda0 /media/winxp
[08:18] <ewhitten> where partition type is ntfs or vfat.
[08:19] <ewhitten> most likely the former
[08:19] <klaym> ubuntu's screensavers are the best I've seen
[08:19] <FAST> i forget the command to create the folder
[08:20] <tsm2004beta> Hello, I'm trying to get NWN working on my new system, and after installing everything, the only error I am getting is 'failure to initialize graphics'. So after looking I downloaded all the Xfree86 stuff and downloaded the newest NVIDIA Linux driver for my FX5900, but it wants me to install it outside of the X Server. How can I do this?
[08:20] <FAST> mkdir
[08:20] <FAST> ...
[08:20] <ewhitten> FAST: umm .. mkdir
[08:20] <PuGz> zhukov, simply running gstreamer-properties as ewhitten suggested did the job, although i am not doubting yours would have also worked
[08:20] <FAST> heh
[08:20] <iMeXdiAC> i use thunderbird1.0 but cant find the "offline" button in the interface on linux(ubuntu) ?
[08:20] <pepperpot> totem doesn't work for me, actually. "Failed to open; reason unknown."
[08:20] <larsrohdin> hey, a friend of mine sent me a movieclip in .3gp format...?!?!, what program can i use to play that?
[08:21] <zhukov> PuGz, :D lol
[08:21] <iMeXdiAC> larsrohdin .. mplayer might
[08:21] <ewhitten> tsm2004beta:  you have to hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 to switch to a different terminal, log in, and "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[08:21] <ewhitten> that will stop X
[08:21] <tsm2004beta> Thanks.
[08:21] <ewhitten> tsm2004beta:  you also need to make sure the kernel source packages are installed
[08:21] <Gwildor> larsrohdin: im working on it
[08:21] <davix> what is the latest ubuntu kernel version?
[08:21] <larsrohdin> iMeXdiAC, nope didn't work... do i need extra codecs or something?
[08:22] <ewhitten> davix:  hoary uses 2.6.10-2
[08:22] <FAST> ewhitten, hda0 didn't seem to exist,   i did   'mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/winxp', worked fine. but i dont have permission to view contents of the folder now?
[08:22] <Gwildor> larsrohdin: it seems that 3gp is a mobile phone format, im not too sure about getting it to play on an ubuntu install
[08:22] <davix> how can i know my kernel?
[08:22] <davix> version ewhitten
[08:22] <iMeXdiAC> larsrhodin .. its actually the natel format of movies .. prolly something mpeg4
[08:22] <ewhitten> larsrohdin:  http://www.cdavies.org/permalink/watchingbrowserembeddedgpvideosinlinux.php
[08:22] <carambol> uname -a
[08:22] <ewhitten> just a thought?
[08:23] <carambol> davix
[08:23] <iMeXdiAC> larsrhodin .. once played it on quicktime
[08:23] <davix> carambol?
[08:23] <ewhitten> FAST: you need to specify user accessibility.  one sec.
[08:23] <davix> uname -a?
[08:23] <carambol> $uname -a
[08:23] <davix> tnx
[08:23] <riri> hi
[08:23] <ewhitten> FAST:  add "-o user" ?
[08:23] <zhukov> PuGz, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary I thought you were having the same trouble
[08:23] <ewhitten> ntfs is not writeable in linux, just so you know.
[08:24] <JeanJean> if i want to install ubuntu i have got an error
[08:24] <PuGz> zhukov, cheers mate
[08:24] <JeanJean> i cant load X11
[08:24] <FAST> ewhitten, do i have to unmount it first (how?), then mount again with -o <user> ?
[08:24] <zzyber> hmm, why ubuntu when there is debian? I dont understand?
[08:24] <JeanJean> i have a geforce2 MX and select nv
[08:24] <ewhitten> FAST:  yup
[08:24] <ewhitten> umount  /dev/hda1
[08:25] <Crane> mount -t ntfs umask=0222 /dev/hda1
[08:25] <ewhitten> Crane's is better. :)
[08:25] <riri> i've a burning problem: nautilus doesn't want to burn anymore
[08:25] <Crane> ;)
[08:25] <riri> someone to help ? (i can give more details :-)
[08:26] <FAST> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
[08:26] <FAST>        or too many mounted file systems
[08:26] <ewhitten> FAST:  what was that from?
[08:26] <Crane> FAST, at this to your /etc/fstab file
[08:26] <Crane> /dev/hda1       /windows/system    ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[08:27] <tsm2004beta> ewhitten, What was that command line again? I got there, but I completely blanked. So I typed sudo gdm stop and it said that it was already running and aborted.
[08:27] <Crane> the /windows/system can be changed to where ever you want to mount it
[08:27] <PuGz> zzyber, because the up to date version of debian (ie, unstable) tend to be exactly that, unstable... some times it is ok... but a little more stability was required...
[08:27] <ewhitten> tsm2004beta:  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:27] <tsm2004beta> Thank you
[08:27] <Crane> then it will be mounted automaticly when you boot
[08:28] <riri> bye
[08:28] <FAST> Crane, okay did that. can i have it mounted now without rebooting ?
[08:28] <pe7er> FAST: sudo mount -a
[08:28] <Crane> heh the command I gave you didn't work?
[08:28] <FAST> excellent! thanks!
[08:29] <mdrjr> hoary inside(tm)
[08:29] <Xappe> ...and remember to create the folder where you want it to be mounted :)
[08:29] <FAST> got it done
[08:29] <zzyber> PuGz, okey im with you, first i was on gentoo but i have been on debian sarge for a couple of weeks and its outdated for sure. One thing is bothering me about ubuntu and that is unbuntus lack of compability with debian repos, i want to install mplayer and dvdrip but that seems impossible
[08:29] <JeanJean> I tryet to install ubuntu but i have got an error while installing packages, i cant start x, i have a Geforce2MX Athlon-xp 2200+ 512 DDR and Zolid Tv-tuner card
[08:29] <pepperpot> How do I turn off the info display in totem's fullscreen mode
[08:29] <Crane> I  use mplayer all the time
[08:30] <pe7er> zzyber: add the extra repositories
[08:30] <pepperpot> Crane, i use mplayer too. Just trying totem since I installed ubuntu today
[08:30] <ewhitten> Crane:  did you compile from source?  I just got the mplayer packages and there's no gui?
[08:30] <Crane> oh cool
[08:30] <Crane> I didn't care for totem to much
[08:30] <PuGz> zzyber, could always just do those 2 from source... but i am pretty sure there are ways to install them!
[08:30] <Xappe> MPlayer compiled like a charm from source :)
[08:30] <mdrjr> anybody know where to find the 2.6.10-2-k7 kernel source configured ?
[08:31] <Crane> Xappe, same here
[08:31] <ewhitten> hm I guess I'm going to do that now.
[08:31] <Crane> ewhitten, yep
[08:31] <zzyber> pe7er, what repositories should i have exactly? Pls send me a source.list
[08:31] <PuGz> pepperpot, how do you add extra plugins to totem?
[08:31] <Xappe> even with esp support :)
[08:31] <Xappe> *esd
[08:31] <pepperpot> ewhitten, mplayer source has a debian directory
[08:31] <pepperpot> PuGz, apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[08:31] <Crane> ewhitten, is it not in the menu
[08:31] <pepperpot> PuGz, then configure gstreamer with gstreamer-properties
[08:32] <pepperpot> PuGz, totem is just a front end if you use the gstreamer back end
[08:33] <tsm2004beta> After shutting down X, and trying to install my nvidia drivers, it reports that I don't have the nvidia kernel source, and it connot locate one from their servers.
[08:33] <Crane> ewhitten, in a treminal type gmplayer
[08:33] <PuGz> pepperpot, cheers!
[08:33] <pepperpot> ewhitten, you can compile mplayer by editing the debian files in the directory and then dpkg-buildpackage
[08:33] <Crane> tsm2004beta, did you not want to install from apt?
[08:34] <pepperpot> ewhitten, deb-builpackage -uc -b or some such
[08:34] <carambol> http://ubuntuguide.org
[08:34] <tsm2004beta> Crane, I honestly don't know how...
[08:34] <ewhitten> Crane: I know, gmplayer reports as being compiled with no gui.
[08:35] <Crane> tsm2004beta, hang on
[08:35] <mdrjr> on hoary sound does not work (nvidia soundstorm)
[08:35] <mdrjr> any ideas ?
[08:36] <pepperpot> ewhitten, okay I want to join the mplayer compilation bandwagon too. Which sources are you using mplayerhq.hu CVS?
[08:36] <Xappe> ewhitten, try ./configure --enable-gui and recompile
[08:36] <ewhitten> I didn't compile from source, just checked out the mplayer packages from apt.
[08:36] <Xappe> ah, ok
[08:36] <Crane> tsm2004beta, http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[08:37] <RainMoods> hi all
[08:37] <pepperpot> Xappe, which source did you use?
[08:37] <mdrjr> hmm working now !
[08:37] <pepperpot> Xappe, 1.0pre6a?
[08:37] <RainMoods> I have a screen resolution issue (still)
[08:37] <Xappe> pepperpot, 1.0pre5
[08:37] <tsm2004beta> Thank you
[08:37] <fc> how do I set gthumb as the default picture program?
[08:38] <RainMoods> jbailey: doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didnt help
[08:38] <pepperpot> Xappe, I'm going to try 1.0pre6a.
[08:38] <RainMoods> there were so many questions..!
[08:38] <ewhitten> I'm having a hell of a time trying to get any sound of out mplayerplug-in
[08:38] <jbailey> RainMoods: Yeah, usually it guesses and does so correctly.
[08:38] <jbailey> RainMoods: Failure to get the right resolution often means either: 1) Your scan rates are wrong for you monitor.  2) The driver is hooped.
[08:39] <jbailey> RainMoods: But I'm not an X guru, so I don't have much more I can offer you off the top of my head.
[08:39] <pepperpot> ewhitten, you mean in your browser?
[08:39] <ewhitten> yeah
[08:39] <RainMoods> jbailey: I had the same problem when I tried the live CD of Hoary... And now since I upgraded to Hoary I am stuck in 640 by 480
[08:39] <RainMoods> must be a hooped driver then
[08:39] <pepperpot> :/
[08:39] <RainMoods> I'm sure of the scan rates
[08:40] <jbailey> Yeah, sounds like a driver issue.  It's probably worth filing a bug in bugzilla giving your video card information and saying that the LiveCD gets your video card stuff wrong.  Explain that it worked in Hoary.
[08:40] <Xappe> i had to compile mplayer with esd-support to get the sound to work while esd is running
[08:40] <ewhitten> RainMoods:  also try passing NVreg_SoftEDIDs=0 when you load the nvidia module
[08:40] <ewhitten> Xappe: thanks.
[08:40] <RainMoods> is the old ubuntu using xfree and hoary using xorg?
[08:40] <RainMoods> ewhitten: I do not have a nvidia
[08:40] <ewhitten> sorry :)
[08:40] <Crane> RainMoods, yes
[08:40] <RainMoods> ah
[08:40] <JeanJean> What does i have to choose form my vga driver, i have a geforec2 MX and got a compile error when i pick up "nv"
[08:40] <RainMoods> can I use xfree in hoary?
[08:41] <Xappe> you prbably can, but it's not supported
[08:41] <RainMoods> Xappe: ah
[08:41] <ewhitten> pepperpot:  you working on installing mplayer?
[08:41] <RainMoods> Xappe: what's the command line order to get xfree to start?
[08:42] <defile> startx, normally RainMoods
[08:42] <pepperpot> ewhitten, yep
[08:42] <fc> how do I set gthumb as the default picture program?
[08:42] <defile> assuming it's configured properly
[08:42] <pepperpot> ewhitten, i tried using the plugin before. It worked but wasn't very stable
[08:42] <RainMoods> defile: startx? that's what I did. What's the command for xorg?
[08:42] <defile> it's the same for both
[08:43] <RainMoods> defile: hrm
[08:43] <maximaus> fc, right click "open with"...
[08:43] <Crane> RainMoods, startx also work for xorg
[08:43] <fc> maximaus, i know
[08:43] <maximaus> fc then right click, properties
[08:43] <fc> but i want it as the default
[08:43] <fc> oh
[08:43] <maximaus> and tick gthumb as your preferred app.
[08:43] <fc> hey thanks
[08:43] <RainMoods> OK now, since I am into the GUI already, is there a way to configure from where I am now?
[08:44] <RainMoods> let me rephrase that: is there a way to find out what my chipset is?
[08:45] <mdrjr> RainMoods, lspci ?
[08:45] <RainMoods> whoo back again
[08:46] <ewhitten> vrrroom, go mplayer go.
[08:46] <Crane> lol
[08:46] <pepperpot> Xappe, did you builg with real and live?
[08:46] <RainMoods> if anybody said something to me while I was gone, pls repeat
[08:46] <Xappe> pepperpot, codecs?
[08:46] <kebac> ewhitten: doesnt it work then
[08:46] <pepperpot> Xappe, for streaming
[08:46] <pepperpot> Xappe, which gcc should I get and use?
[08:47] <ewhitten> kebac:  I've had it work on other systems, but for some reason, this combination of hardware just makes the system lock up completely after about 10 mins.
[08:47] <Xappe> uhm, so many questions :)
[08:47] <RainMoods> I really don't want to re-install from scratch ...
[08:47] <ewhitten> I think it might be the ATI x800 card, though
[08:48] <Xappe> pepperpot, should be enough to install build-essentials maybe?
[08:48] <digitalpure> question? - I prefer KDE over gnome (newbie) and would like to unistall gnome from my system are there any packages that I should avoid all together removing
[08:48] <Crane> RainMoods, have you checked the forums
[08:48] <Crane> your using ATI right
[08:48] <Xappe> and maybe some esd devs
[08:48] <mirkoz> Why when I mount my fat32 filesystems, folders appears as files in the explorer?
[08:48] <digitalpure> I get a fairly clean system, if I just do a install, and then install the KDE-base pacakges right away
[08:48] <pepperpot> Xappe, what is build-essentials? It's not a package is it?
[08:48] <occy> hmm
[08:48] <ewhitten> pepperpot:  yes, it is.
[08:49] <ewhitten> basics for building source
[08:49] <occy> anyone advise against upgrading to hoary Right now?
[08:49] <pepperpot> ewhitten, hmm, it's gcc-3.3
[08:49] <RainMoods> occy: I advice against
[08:49] <occy> heh
[08:49] <occy> shucks
[08:49] <Crane> occy for your main system?
[08:49] <RainMoods> I strongly advice against
[08:49] <Guardiann> occy its running for me ok on this machine
[08:49] <Xappe> my hoary is quite stable :)
[08:49] <defile> ewhitten, I have some minor problems with Hoary right now
[08:49] <RainMoods> it's almost not running at all
[08:49] <occy> Crane: this box keeps dying as it is. :(
[08:50] <occy> RainMoods: yeah?  :/
[08:50] <defile> er I mean occy
[08:50] <RainMoods> got some huge problems right now :(
[08:50] <digitalpure> i have major sound issues with Hoary, but not with Warty
[08:50] <occy> defile: heh, :)
[08:50] <Crane> occy, dieing?
[08:50] <KBJ> i have just installed ubuntu, but upon startup grub says error 17... can anyone help me?
[08:50] <defile> occy, but nothing I can't overlook ;-)
[08:50] <RainMoods> occy: but the daring get all!
[08:50] <KBJ> is there any easy answer? :)
[08:50] <Guardiann> digitalpure whats your sound problem
[08:50] <occy> heh
[08:50] <occy> thanks peeps
[08:51] <RainMoods> np occy, dont do it
[08:51] <digitalpure> Alsa is starting, but I cannot get anysound
[08:51] <RainMoods> ;-p
[08:51] <digitalpure> I have a audigy 2 card
[08:51] <defile> Xappe, how often are you updating it?
[08:51] <occy> man... I need a new machine. :(  this one's hardware is dying.
[08:51] <Guardiann> do you here sound when you first log in
[08:51] <Xappe> couple of times every day
[08:51] <digitalpure> I thought it might be the mic on the usb device I have, but unplugging it still does not help
[08:51] <Guardiann> do you here sound when you first log in
[08:51] <defile> Xappe, *nod* I've been doing the same for the past week or so
[08:52] <KBJ> when trying to install win2k it wouldn't even format the harddrive
[08:52] <pepperpot> digitalpure, do you have an onboard soundcard?
[08:52] <digitalpure> no i get no sound when I first login - only started once I moved to hoary
[08:52] <defile> Xappe, overall, I'm pretty impressed with it
[08:52] <Xappe> if I get bored, I just update my hoary :D
[08:52] <pepperpot> digitalpure, do you see your soundcard if you open volume control?
[08:52] <pepperpot> ugh me hoary, ugh ugh me so hoary
[08:52] <Xappe> defile, yep, i like it
[08:52] <digitalpure> the sound card is a PCI Audigy 2 card, and yes device manager, and alsa mixer etc are all showing it fine
[08:53] <mdrjr> digitalpure, type fuser /dev/dsp
[08:54] <mdrjr> did it returned something to you ?
[08:54] <Crane> Xappe, lol
[08:54] <KBJ> can anyone help me?
[08:54] <digitalpure> umm, not in front of my home system, this is my office system (also ubuntu)
[08:54] <Crane> KBJ, windows?
[08:55] <KBJ> what does error 17 mean?
[08:55] <mdrjr> digitalpure, well if it returns something i will return one number this number is a process id.. you can type ps ax | grep numer.that.it.gaved.to.you
[08:55] <KBJ> in Grub
[08:55] <Crane> Cannot mount selected partition
[08:55] <Crane>     This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB.
[08:55] <mdrjr> and see if it's esd running.. if it's you need to setup your sound applications to run with ESD
[08:55] <Crane> found that here
[08:55] <Crane> http://olympus.het.brown.edu/doc/grub-doc/html/grub_14.html#SEC104
[08:55] <digitalpure> ok, but why would it switch from Alsa to esd
[08:56] <mdrjr> no.. alsa is the drivers, esd is a sound server
[08:56] <digitalpure> I have tried installing the ESD, OSS and ALSA packages
[08:56] <mdrjr> esd make possible to you play 2 things at same time
[08:56] <digitalpure> ahh, ok
[08:56] <mdrjr> like system events and mp3's
[08:57] <pepperpot> mdrjr, you don't need esd to play multiple streams on an audigy
[08:57] <digitalpure> would me using the 686 kernel even though I have a AthlonXP make a diffrence
[08:57] <pepperpot> mdrjr, i have an sblive and alsa natively supports hardware mixing
[08:57] <mdrjr> pepperpot, hehe nice :)
[08:57] <mdrjr> pepperpot, my card is a nvidia soundstorm
[08:57] <mdrjr> and don't do it
[08:57] <KBJ> what can i do then, Crane?
[08:57] <Riddell> digitalpure: you can remove all of gnome no problem, but if you're using hoary you need to keep gnome-menus otherwise the k-menu won't work
[08:58] <pepperpot> mdrjr, i know. In the old days i struggled with alsa dmix, cmipci and all that crap
[08:58] <mz2> does anybody know what sort of stuff the new sound server in gnome 2.10 should bring (am assuming they're putting that esd compatible sound server in it?)
[08:58] <mz2> or is that gnome 3 stuff
[08:59] <Crane> hmmm you said you just installed it?
[08:59] <Crane> what was that ablout installing windows
[08:59] <pepperpot> Xappe, what X libraries do I need to get for building mplayer?
[08:59] <KBJ> Ya! win2k could not even formate my hard drive?
[09:00] <Xappe> hmm, doesnt the readme state what the dependencies are?
[09:00] <Crane> are you sure the drive is good?
[09:00] <digitalpure> cool, thanks all for the gnome and sound problem
[09:00] <Xappe> pepperpot, because I don't really remember :)
[09:00] <digitalpure> i will try that all at home... I thank you all for the help
[09:00] <KBJ> it was working good when i had Win xp!!
[09:01] <karsten> What is Ubuntu's support tail length?   I know release cycles are 6 mos.  How long after release are support and updates available?
[09:01] <Crane> is winXP still on there, is it duel boot
[09:01] <pepperpot> Xappe, there's a package called mplayer-custom. I don't understand. The description says it is mplayer for my machine. How can that be? IS it a source package?
[09:01] <KBJ> no not anymore
[09:01] <KBJ> i don't believe in dual boot... ;)
[09:01] <Crane> just ubuntu?
[09:01] <Crane> lol
[09:01] <Xappe> pepperpot, i don't know
[09:01] <KBJ> hehe... yep
[09:02] <pepperpot> ewhitten, did you install mplayer-custom?
[09:02] <KBJ> a 256 mb swap and a 13 gb reiserfs partition... all made during the ubuntu install
[09:02] <Xappe> karsten, hmm, think it's at least 18 months
[09:02] <siimo> can someone tell me what the bug status "upstream" means :-/
[09:02] <karsten> Xappe: Thanks.  Is waugh here?
[09:03] <Crane> KBJ, has the system started before then crashed or was this the first boot
[09:03] <karsten> Yeah.  jdub.
[09:03] <karsten> OK.
[09:03] <karsten> Xappe: Thanks.
[09:04] <Xappe> np
[09:04] <KBJ> first boot after the install
[09:04] <karsten> Xappe: Is that from release, or after update?
[09:04] <KBJ> i can boot on a livecd and then chroot into it... but i don't know what to do to fix it...
[09:04] <Xappe> hmm, that I don't know. probably from release
[09:05] <karsten> KBJ: ...um.  Fix what?
[09:05] <Twentyone> hop
[09:06] <karsten> KBJ: ...I joined in the middle of your comments.
[09:06] <KBJ> the bootup.. i can't boot into my newly installed ubuntu... it says grub error 17...
[09:07] <karsten> KBJ: Ok.  If you're chrooted, you can rerun the grub installer.  So: boot.  cd to /.  'chroot .'
[09:07] <karsten> KBJ: ...at which point you want to google for Grub error 17.  Sure that isn't 15?
[09:07] <Crane>     This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB.
[09:08] <REN0> Hi. I am trying to get my WiFi card working on my HP ze4918ea laptop
[09:08] <karsten> KBJ: pinfo grub shows 17:   Cannot mount selected partition
[09:08] <carambol> if i upgrade  to hoary...realplayer and mozplugger dont work amymore
[09:08] <KBJ> it's grub error 17 alright... and google doesn't give me much answer... i tried running grub-install chroot'ed... but it didn't change anything
[09:08] <REN0> I have apt-geted ndiswrapper-utils
[09:08] <karsten> KBJ: What filesystem for that partition?
[09:08] <djjason> can anybody tell me how I can configure the sensitivity on my touchpad....its way too sensitive
[09:08] <karsten> KBJ: ...and are you sure you've got the right root partition specified?
[09:08] <jazzka> hi!
[09:08] <zazeem> hi
[09:08] <zazeem> can someone help me
[09:08] <KBJ> reiserfs... but i'm pretty sure i tried it with ext3 before and same error
[09:09] <Guardiann> zazeem hello
[09:09] <jazzka> how can I know if I have usb 2.0 or 1.1 motherboard?
[09:09] <REN0> I have the WinXP driver cd so now Ineed to "Select the inf-file you need." as it says in the How to...
[09:09] <zazeem> i put this in console to run et i finally go it to work but  it has no sound... and on a site several sites actually they say type artsdsp -m et and itl start et but it doesnt start et :/
[09:09] <zazeem> hi guardiann :)
[09:09] <REN0> Where should I put it?
[09:09] <zazeem> finally fixed problem
[09:09] <zazeem> refresh rates too high lol
[09:09] <bluefoxicy> How do I change the default X session
[09:10] <bluefoxicy> i.e. twm instead of gnome on startx
[09:10] <karsten> jazzka: Connector shape.  Or grep -i usb /var/log/dmesg
[09:10] <bluefoxicy> or such
[09:10] <bluefoxicy> or say I had kde
[09:10] <Guardiann> zazeem good for you
[09:10] <Xappe> pepperpot: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/install.html#softreq  <-- needed software for MPlayer
[09:10] <KBJ> am i supposed to say "grub-install /dev/hda" for where i want the boot record, or /dev/hda2 for which partition i want to boot?
[09:10] <Riddell> bluefoxicy: you need to tell gdm to use a different default
[09:10] <zazeem> :)
[09:10] <zazeem> aany idea why artsdsp -m et doesnt start et?
[09:11] <bluefoxicy> Riddell:  startx
[09:11] <bluefoxicy> not gdm
[09:11] <bluefoxicy> Riddell:  boots into text mode, log in, startx, you know?  no display manager?  stuff happens based on /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc and friends, which happens to trigger this 5000-script long web of complex crap that somehow choses a display manager?
[09:11] <carambol> after upgrading to hoary..no sound from RealPlayer
[09:12] <carambol> and mozplugger
[09:12] <carambol> how to fix this
[09:12] <carambol> ?
[09:12] <karsten> KBJ: if you're single-booting, /dev/hda.  if you're mutli-booting, depends on the bootloader you plan to use, but /dev/hda is still possible.
[09:12] <karsten> KBJ: /dev/hda2 if you plan on using NTLDR.EXE.
[09:12] <KBJ> ok... then /dev/hda
[09:12] <KBJ> i'm single booting...
[09:12] <bluefoxicy> so nobody knows then.  Damn.
[09:13] <digitalpure> i need to be able to vpn into my company vpn server
[09:13] <KBJ> but why wouldn't it mount my partition?
[09:13] <Riddell> bluefoxicy: try changing the symlink at /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager
[09:13] <bluefoxicy> ahh thanks
[09:13] <digitalpure> i cannot find anyway to vpn in and then use remote desktop or tightvnc to get to my windows desktop
[09:14] <KBJ> should i try lilo or is lilo still not reiserfs compatible?
[09:15] <karsten> KBJ: lilo should work with reiserfs.
[09:15] <KBJ> you think it'll help?
[09:16] <karsten> KBJ: It's worth a shot, easy enough to try.
[09:16] <karsten> KBJ: ...and lilo error messages are generally better understood than GRUB.
[09:16] <zazeem> anyone know how to make the sound in games work for quake 3 rtcw and et???????
[09:16] <KBJ> cool i will do that
[09:16] <hkl8324> is there no root acc in ubuntu liunx?
[09:16] <magnon> no
[09:17] <FAST> how do you burn audio cds in ubuntu ?
[09:17] <Xappe> zazeem, try a killall esd before you start the game
[09:17] <RainMoods> yay!
[09:17] <RainMoods> fixed the screen resolution problem
[09:17] <RainMoods> how? I hear you ask...
[09:17] <RainMoods> well
[09:18] <KBJ> damn... when i try to use apt-get it says i have to use the ubuntu install cd, but i've booted up via the gentoo install cd... :) what's the easiest? can i boot the ubuntu cd and go into a console?
[09:18] <RainMoods> first sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[09:18] <Nightie> Hello! Can someone help me with a trouble about Azureus please?
[09:18] <RainMoods> and then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:18] <qopi> what does ubuntu do better than debian?
[09:18] <FAST> Nightie, what's the problem
[09:18] <Hannes_> qopi: it's new
[09:19] <RainMoods> anyway, I wanted to share this with you
[09:19] <Hannes_> and updates fater
[09:19] <RainMoods> bye - till the next problem
[09:19] <qopi> Hannes_: why is new better?
[09:19] <KBJ> does the ubuntu install cd have a console?
[09:19] <Nightie> I have 2 users in my pc: UserA and UserB. UserA was created during installation. UserB was created later, with gnome tool
[09:19] <Nightie> Well...
[09:19] <Hannes_> qopi: updates faster, that's what i meant
[09:20] <qopi> you mean more active delopment/
[09:20] <Nightie> I installed Azureus following ubuntuguide.org procedure, but I can start Azureus JUST when I am logged as UserA
[09:20] <qopi> ?
[09:20] <Nightie> If I log as UserB I can't start: unknown command, or something like this...
[09:20] <Nightie> I can't start Azureus...
[09:21] <liberion> anyone using enlightenment 17 in ubuntu?
[09:21] <acker> hello. anybody installed vexim or have any knowledge about it?
[09:21] <Hannes_> qopi: yes
[09:21] <Hannes_> and newer versions of the packages they put in repos
[09:21] <Nightie> FAST, any hint?
[09:22] <zazeem> how do i install enemy territory to local/games ??????/
[09:22] <Crane> Nightie, you said you used ubuntus howto
[09:23] <karsten> KBJ: You can fetch DEBs manually and install them.  or chroot into your distro and fetch from within it.
[09:23] <zazeem> how do i install enemy territory to local/games ??????/
[09:23] <Crane> zazeem, run the script as sudo
[09:23] <zazeem> whats path
[09:23] <Xappe> Nightie, in the guide you change ownership to ypur first user (chown x:x ...). maybe you have to give the same rights to your second user...
[09:23] <zazeem>  o ok
[09:23] <zazeem> hey crane
[09:23] <zazeem> that worked yesterday :D
[09:23] <Crane> howdy
[09:23] <zazeem> et works now
[09:23] <zazeem> now i just cant get sound to work in it ... :(
[09:24] <Xappe> zazeem, try killall esd before you start the game
[09:24] <Crane> are you running anything else that could ne using sound
[09:24] <forcotton> hi, anyone got a wacom tablet working under ubuntu?
[09:24] <Nightie> Crane :: I used the procedure on ubuntuguide.org
[09:24] <Crane> brb
[09:24] <zazeem> no i dont get that error ill send u error i get
[09:24] <zazeem> in a min
[09:25] <zazeem> i did killall .. it did nothing :
[09:25] <Nightie> Xappe :: done "sudo chown -R root:root /opt/azureus/" when I was userB,too
[09:25] <Xappe> Nightie, ah ok...
[09:25] <Nightie> Oh, my God, maybe I undestand now!
[09:26] <Nightie> I see "azureus" does not run from as UserA, too!
[09:26] <Nightie> :-)
[09:26] <klaym> what does that "sudo chown -R root:root /dir/" do? can someone explain please?
[09:26] <Nightie> I have to specify path! :-D
[09:26] <Xappe> :)
[09:26] <zazeem> crane heres error i got
[09:26] <zazeem> ------- sound initialization -------
[09:26] <zazeem> /dev/dsp: Input/output error
[09:26] <zazeem> Could not mmap /dev/dsp
[09:26] <zazeem> ------------------------------------
[09:26] <Nightie> /opt/azureus/azureus
[09:26] <pepperpot> klaym, it changes the owner to root for all subdirectories
[09:27] <Nightie> :-) Now I log to UserB and verify! Sorry fot bothering you all! Bye!
[09:27] <klaym> so the program can be used without typing root password at startup?
[09:28] <crimsun> zazeem: cs46xx sound chipset?
[09:28] <zazeem> ?
[09:28] <zazeem> no
[09:28] <zazeem> its
[09:28] <zazeem> ac97
[09:28] <crimsun> which ac97?
[09:28] <zazeem> how do i ckeck
[09:29] <crimsun> look at /proc/asound/modules
[09:29] <zazeem> says permissio denied
[09:29] <zazeem> n
[09:30] <crimsun> don't try to execute it, cat it
[09:30] <zazeem> ?
[09:30] <zazeem> cmd?
[09:30] <crimsun> cat /proc/asound/modules
[09:30] <zazeem> 0 snd_via82xx
[09:30] <rgm> Hello from my Ubuntu Hoary LiveCD
[09:31] <AndyR> lo ppl
[09:31] <zazeem> crimsun
[09:32] <rgm> I can't seem to find any GUI to browse partitions and mount them.  Does Gnome provide anything like this?
[09:32] <zazeem> i have 0 snd_via82xx
[09:32] <crimsun> zazeem: 10-4
[09:32] <zazeem> ?
[09:32] <zazeem> same?
[09:32] <zazeem> i have sound in ut
[09:32] <zazeem> not et :'(
[09:32] <crimsun> zazeem: "acknowledged"
[09:33] <zazeem> k'age
[09:33] <Crane> zazeem, do you have sound in quake3?
[09:33] <snarky> how do i add a module so it will load upon booting?
[09:33] <zazeem> dont have q3
[09:34] <Crane> oh ok
[09:34] <zazeem> in ut i do
[09:34] <crimsun> snarky: echo module | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[09:34] <snarky> crimsun: thanks
[09:34] <gangalino> crimsun: how do I load ALSA?
[09:34] <zazeem> think i need alsa
[09:35] <zazeem> how do i ?
[09:35] <tsm2004beta> Hello, got everything working so far. Another problem I found was that Totem Movie player... really doesn't want to play any kind of movie file at all.
[09:35] <crimsun> gangalino: it's configured to be used by default. Is something not working?
[09:35] <tsm2004beta> Suggestions?
[09:35] <gangalino> the mixer
[09:35] <crimsun> zazeem: you're already using ALSA.
[09:35] <JJH^> hi, i tried to install ubuntu on my other computer. i have burned the image on a CD and inserted it but the install didnt start, can you help?
[09:35] <crimsun> gangalino: which mixer?
[09:35] <zazeem> o
[09:35] <rgm> Does Gnome on Hoary include a way to mount a partition on my /dev/hda device?  I can't figure out how without using the command line.
[09:35] <Xappe> tsm2004beta, i'm using MPlayer and VLC for movies
[09:36] <LinuxJones> tsm2004beta, do like most everybody else install gxine or mplayer and the w32codec package
[09:36] <gangalino> crimsun: "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found" when trying to turn on the volume from the toolbar
[09:36] <crimsun> gangalino: which sound chipset(s) are you attempting to use?
[09:36] <zazeem> linuxjones, perhaps u could help me
[09:36] <crimsun> zazeem: please download the quake3 demo and try it.
[09:37] <zazeem> where
[09:37] <Xappe> tsm2004beta, VLC is in the repos I think, and it has all codecs builtin
[09:37] <crimsun> zazeem: please search google.
[09:37] <KBJ> karsten: you still there?
[09:37] <LinuxJones> zazeem, your having alsa trouble ?
[09:37] <zazeem> k
[09:37] <zazeem> for linux?
[09:37] <crimsun> zazeem: yes.
[09:37] <KBJ> it said unable to mount root filesystem when i tried lilo
[09:38] <LinuxJones> JJH^, did you change your system's bios to boot to your cdrom ?
[09:38] <Dreamer3_> anyone use alas and dmix here?
[09:38] <Dreamer3_> when i turn on or try and use dmix manually ihear nothing at all
[09:38] <skiy> excuse me folks, how can I get my usb mouse to work on ubuntu? can I rerun the hardware detection somehow? thanks...
[09:38] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: dmixed applications currently must _not_ use mmap
[09:38] <tsm2004beta> I don't see VLC in the repo...
[09:38] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: ???
[09:38] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: that means nothing to me
[09:38] <gangalino> ac-97-codec? nm_256
[09:39] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: is xmms one of the applications?
[09:39] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i'm tring alsplayer -o also -d plug:dmix and i get slience
[09:39] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i'm just trying to get the most basic stuff to work from the how-to
[09:39] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: did you configure an .asoundrc | /etc/asound.conf?
[09:39] <LinuxJones> JJH^, did you save the changes ?? I think that most systems will boot to the cdrom device if you hold the "c" button while it is booting up.
[09:39] <gangalino> crimsun: nm_256 is listed in lsmod
[09:40] <gangalino> crimsun: however I can't remember what alsa shows up as
[09:40] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: when i use the .asoundrc from the site i get only silence
[09:40] <tsm2004beta> Xappe, I don't see VLC anywhere in the repo.
[09:40] <crimsun> gangalino: nm256_audio or snd-nm256?
[09:40] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: again, i'm first just trying to get dmx working from the dmix how-to... with that alsplayer command...
[09:41] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: is there some mixer setting i just need to turn up or something?
[09:41] <LinuxJones> bye :)
[09:41] <tsm2004beta> And when I chcked out MPlayer, I had trouble compling everything together.
[09:41] <Dreamer3_> alasplayer -o also works fine, but adding the -d plug:dmix i get nothing
[09:41] <Xappe> tsm2004beta, hmm, maybe it's just for Hoary then
[09:41] <Dreamer3_> (though the song "plays" so to speak)
[09:41] <Dreamer3_> (ie, the progress meter moves along)
[09:41] <gangalino> crimsun: snd_nm256
[09:41] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: the built-in pcm.dmix definition is unreliable; you need to define your own.
[09:41] <KBJ> does anyone know what i did wrong when i'm booting with lilo and it says "unable to mount root fs"?
[09:42] <crimsun> gangalino: so ,,cat /proc/asound/modules'' shows: 0 snd_nm256 ?
[09:42] <Guardiann> Dreamer3 whats your output plugin in xmms
[09:42] <LinuxJones> KBJ, you did not add support for the filesystem your trying to load the kernel from
[09:42] <Dreamer3_> Guardiann: i'm not using xmms
[09:42] <Dreamer3_> Guardiann: just tring to get alsaplayer working for starters
[09:43] <gangalino> crimsun: correct
[09:43] <KBJ> but i installed ubuntu with reiserfs... the ubuntu installation formatted the partition as reiserfs... shouldn't it be in the kernel then?
[09:43] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: start with something more simplistic. Get two instances of aplay running simultaneously.
[09:43] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: ok, how?
[09:43] <LinuxJones> KBJ, yeah it shoudl be did you have any errors during installation ?
[09:43] <KBJ> i had trouble with grub, so i decided to try lilo... it made it boot the kernel this time... but now the kernel complains...
[09:43] <KBJ> no error during install
[09:44] <KBJ> but it wouldn't boot the grub the first time... i haven't booted the ubuntu successfully yet
[09:44] <LinuxJones> KBJ, did you include the initrd line ?
[09:44] <KBJ> that's probably it, what is the initrd line? hehe
[09:44] <LinuxJones> KBJ, heh I don't know what it is in lilo
[09:44] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: aplay -D plug:dmix song.mp3 only produces silence
[09:44] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i can't even get one to work
[09:45] <KBJ> what is it in general then? hehe
[09:45] <LinuxJones> KBJ, initrd is another way to add support for filesystems and such during initial boot.
[09:45] <LinuxJones> KBJ, honestly it might be faster to re-install. It's only like 20 mins or so :D
[09:46] <KBJ> hehe... but i tried reinstalling a couple of times... it always says grub error 17
[09:46] <gangalino> dmesg would show alsa, right?
[09:46] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: any thoughts?
[09:46] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: is dmix just being quiet a new problem?
[09:46] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: then use a simple ~/.asoundrc such as: echo "pcm.card0 { type plug slave.pcm "dmixer" } ctl.card0 { type hw card 0 } pcm.dmixer { type dmix ipc_key 1024 slave { pcm "hw:0" } }" > ~/.asoundrc
[09:47] <crimsun> (you'll probably need to escape the \"s)
[09:47] <LinuxJones> KBJ, actually I think you can bail out of the installation once your partitions have been assigned and grub has been re-written to your MBR.
[09:47] <KBJ> LinuxJones, ok, but what do i do then?
[09:47] <crimsun> gangalino: does ,,amixer'' report anything?
[09:48] <KBJ> LinuxJones, i've been booting the ubuntu cd and chroot'ing a couple of times to get lilo on it...
[09:48] <gangalino> crimsun: amixer does an output
[09:48] <LinuxJones> KBJ, make sure you setup your partitions NOT to be overwritten and when grub updates your MBR then just cancel out of the install, remove disk and re-boot.
[09:48] <crimsun> gangalino: what is the output? (summarise, don't paste)
[09:49] <gangalino> crimsun: you wanna check #flood, I don't know what to summarize...
[09:49] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: silence with that file in place
[09:50] <kengur> does anyone know why totem compiled against gstreamer doesn't play dvd even if decss is installed?
[09:50] <KBJ> LinuxJones, but why would it make a difference when it rewrites my MBR again... i already redid the whole installation to see if it would help
[09:50] <kengur> only totem-xine works for me here
[09:50] <LinuxJones> KBJ, sorry I thought you wanted to get grub back
[09:50] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: have you used other dxs_support values other than the default (which is 0)?
[09:50] <KBJ> i don't care if i have grub or lilo.. i just want to boot... hehe
[09:50] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i think something is wrong, the apps aren't even starting now
[09:50] <zhukov> kengur,
[09:50] <zhukov> hoary?
[09:50] <kengur> warty
[09:51] <crimsun> gangalino: please unmute your Master and PCM sliders. And next time, please wait for the other person(s) to finish pasting before you begin.
[09:53] <kengur> lower your shields and surrender your ships
[09:53] <gangalino> crimsun: by the icon on the toolbar? it doesn't find a mixer/device
[09:53] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: does ,,aplay -Dplughw:0 foo.wav'' work properly?
[09:53] <[amasimak] > KBJ, did you use a separate partition for /boot ?
[09:53] <crimsun> gangalino: use ,,alsamixer''
[09:53] <gangalino> crimsun: alsa would show in dmesg, right?
[09:53] <crimsun> gangalino: not necessarily
[09:53] <KBJ> [amasimak] , no i didn't
[09:54] <KBJ> [amasimak] , i have a swap and a root partition
[09:54] <eddie303> Hello everybody. Does anybody know about a fine NES emulator with a fine frontend?
[09:54] <Kirsch> hey guys, is there a way to turn off the tapclick on my laptop?
[09:54] <Kirsch> (on the touchpad)
[09:54] <defile> Kirsch, synaptic?
[09:54] <Kirsch> yea
[09:55] <crimsun> eddie303: xmess-x? nestra? fceu?
[09:55] <gangalino> crimsun: where would alsamixer show? it doesn't bring up a window. and the mixer/device is still unfound by volume-control
[09:55] <defile> Kirsch, in your X config file do you have any lines like:
[09:55] <defile>   Option        "MaxTapTime"    "180"
[09:55] <defile>   Option        "MaxTapMove"    "0"
[09:55] <crimsun> gangalino: Applications>Systems Tools>Terminal
[09:55] <eddie303> crimsun, thanks, I will try them in this order :)
[09:55] <crimsun> gangalino: then execute ,,alsamixer,,
[09:55] <zazeem> crimsun im gttin the q3 demo but its a .gz.sh file how do i install ?
[09:56] <crimsun> zazeem: sh foo.sh
[09:56] <gangalino> crimsun: cwa2@mombassa:~ $ ps -ef|grep alsa
[09:56] <gangalino> cwa2      4601  4585  0 15:54 pts/0    00:00:00 alsamixer
[09:56] <gangalino> cwa2      4605  4585  0 15:55 pts/0    00:00:00 grep alsa
[09:56] <zazeem> foo,sh? lol
[09:56] <[amasimak] > KBJ, http://www.mepis.org/node/view/3257
[09:56] <Kirsch> if /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is my conf file, then no
[09:56] <gangalino> crimsun: and it still isn't working
[09:56] <[amasimak] > KBJ, they seems to have the same problme which was resolved by using a small partition for /boot
[09:56] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: that makes a buch of static... does aplay not do mp3?
[09:56] <[amasimak] > KBJ, before 1024th cylinder
[09:57] <defile> if you make MaxTapTime 0, it disables tap clicking, if you have MaxTapMove as 0, it makes it so you can use two fingers as middle click and three fingers as right click, but disables one finger from clicking
[09:57] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: no, only wav.
[09:57] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: ok, so what does that prove?
[09:57] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: -Dplughw:0 works
[09:57] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: which application are you having trouble with?
[09:57] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: any/all with dmix?
[09:57] <[amasimak] > KBJ, I don't know if this is the same problem, though
[09:58] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i haven't even got to apps yet... i'm just trying to get dmix working... when i use the config files in the how-tos i only get silence with alsa apps
[09:58] <prussiapr> howdie
[09:58] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: if you want an app i'm trying just to get alsaplayer working for now
[09:58] <crimsun> gangalino: what's not working? no sound? did you unmute those two sliders?
[09:58] <KBJ> [amasimak] , thx, i'll see if it helps...
[09:58] <prussiapr> i hear this is the place to get informed :)
[09:58] <defile> Kirsch, pm me if you have any more questions
[09:58] <gangalino> crimsun: there a no sliders
[09:58] <[amasimak] > KBJ, you're welcome
[09:59] <rgm> Hi...
[09:59] <LinuxJones> Is it just me or do the fonts look alot better in Gnome 2.9 ?
[09:59] <gangalino> crimsun: no mixer or window came up
[09:59] <rgm> I'd like to know if Gnome can mount a partition graphically.
[09:59] <rgm> I can't find the interface
[09:59] <prussiapr> hello ?
[09:59] <crimsun> gangalino: you executed alsamixer from the command line, and nothing came up?
[09:59] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i'm trying "alsaplayer -o alsa -d plug:dmix" right out of the how-to to test dmix and i have only sielnce, thoguht the slide of the song creeps along as if it's playing
[09:59] <Guardiann> prussiapr hi
[09:59] <gangalino> crimsun: you see my output?
[10:00] <gangalino> crimsun: n-a-d-a
[10:00] <crimsun> LinuxJones: they do seem more crisp on certain lcds
[10:01] <prussiapr> hi guardiann.. was starting to wonder if i was getting through :)
[10:01] <prussiapr> firewall issues here
[10:01] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: they give an example of starting 3 things that way and testing if you hear them al... and i can't even hear the first
[10:01] <crimsun> gangalino: then do this: ,,amixer sset PCM on''
[10:01] <crimsun> gangalino: also: ,,amixer sset Master on''
[10:01] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: did you try other dxs_support values for snd-via82xx?
[10:01] <prussiapr> can i ask questions in here ? i don't know too much about linux.. but i I got ubuntu running.. I got my sata raid and at one point dvd-r and some other stuff running.. for some reason gdm stoped working yesterday
[10:01] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i don't know what that means
[10:02] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: then no, you didn't.
[10:02] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: no, i did not
[10:02] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: kill all applications accessing sound and ,,sudo modprobe -r snd-via82xx''
[10:03] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: then: ,,sudo modprobe snd-via82xx dxs_support=1''
[10:03] <prussiapr> anyway it started giving me an out of synch error and i have no idea why.. then gdm got uninstalled.. but it looks like it's there now..
[10:03] <rgm> What's the root password on the Hoary liveCD?
[10:03] <gangalino> crimsun: hate to tell ya... check #flood, it still isn't finding the mixer device after that
[10:03] <Dreamer3_> sheesh, this is proving to be hard
[10:03] <rgm> Man, I feel like I'm invisible in this channel.
[10:04] <Dreamer3_> what i using my sound
[10:04] <LinuxJones> rgm, using  sudo ?
[10:04] <rgm> I was trying to "su" to root.
[10:04] <prussiapr> and i can't
[10:04] <LinuxJones> rgm, use sudo
[10:04] <prussiapr> rgm
[10:04] <prussiapr> hi
[10:04] <Dreamer3_> sheesh!
[10:04] <rgm> sudo it is, thx.
[10:04] <Dreamer3_> i don't know
[10:04] <crimsun> gangalino: amixer's finding it just fine.
[10:05] <prussiapr> my turn for attention :)
[10:05] <crimsun> gangalino: are you using warty or hoary?
[10:05] <Dreamer3_> xfce?
[10:05] <prussiapr> i was thinking of upgrading to hoary but hmm is it ready yet.. or will it break everything I installed before
[10:05] <Dreamer3_> well hold on
[10:05] <crimsun> prussiapr: it will be a learning experience for you.
[10:05] <mjr> prussiapr, if it were ready, it'd be released ;)
[10:06] <rgm> My first experience with ubuntu is through this Hoary LiveCD.  It's pretty great so far.\
[10:06] <LinuxJones> prussiapr, it has a few problems yeah :D
[10:06] <caleb_> whats the name of the update manager applet thingy?
[10:06] <caleb_> not synaptic
[10:06] <caleb_> but the actual applet
[10:06] <prussiapr> he he.. learning exprience is good and all.. right now i just want the damn X server to run so i can use the machine :)
[10:06] <LinuxJones> rgm, play around for a few days then do an actuall install :)
[10:06] <prussiapr> learning i can do later
[10:07] <Dreamer3_> ok
[10:07] <gangalino> crimsun: warty
[10:07] <prussiapr> i'm starting to be better with ubuntu. very similar to debian.. but i could never get X running on my debian installs
[10:07] <LinuxJones> prussiapr, what video card do you have ?
[10:07] <prussiapr> I really like ubuntu cause most stuff worked out of the box :) i just had to do stuff
[10:07] <rgm> LinuxJones - eventually the liveCD runs out of RAM and everything goes to hell, so I'd have to reboot every few days...  Anyway, I was hoping to try a KDE based distribution.  I've never used a nice one of those.  But this one is pretty great, I'm seriously considering it.  My first debian-based one.  I forgot how nice binary packages are (coming from Gentoo)
[10:07] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: ok, it's gone, but it's snd_cs46xx, not via driver
[10:08] <zazeem> crimsun
[10:08] <zazeem> i got the demo
[10:08] <LinuxJones> rgm, if you want a good KDE based live cd Knoppix is it
[10:08] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i assume i want to modprobe it with diff params?
[10:08] <prussiapr> nvidia mx 400 with t.v. out (wanted to get t.v. out and dual monitor if possible but who knows.. t.v out is nice)
[10:08] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: !@$ One sec.
[10:08] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: ok :)
[10:08] <prussiapr> pci
[10:09] <zazeem> how do i install it the filename is linuxq3ademo-1.11-6.x86.gz.sh????????
[10:09] <LinuxJones> prussiapr, do you know what errors are preventing it from running ?
[10:09] <zazeem> how do i install it the filename is linuxq3ademo-1.11-6.x86.gz.sh????????
[10:09] <prussiapr> this is the card
[10:09] <prussiapr> Jaton nVIDIA GeForce2 MX400 Video Card, 64MB DDR, 64-bit, TV-Out, PCI, Model "VIDEO-118PCI-64DDR-TV" -RETAIL
[10:09] <zazeem> anyone
[10:09] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: sudo modprobe snd-cs46xx mmap_valid=1
[10:09] <prussiapr> not sure.. not in front of it..
[10:10] <terry> zazeem chmod a+x file; sh file
[10:10] <zazeem> ?????
[10:10] <zazeem> what
[10:10] <LinuxJones> prussiapr, have you tried installing the nvidia binary drivers ?
[10:10] <zazeem> cmd ?
[10:10] <prussiapr> it said something about glx or something.. i followed this ubuntuguide.org to try and get the nvidia dirver working but still nothing
[10:10] <terry> zazeem, `chmod a+x file` `sh file;
[10:10] <prussiapr> i think it's something in the config
[10:10] <zazeem> a+x file; sh linuxq3ademo-1.11-6.x86.gz.sh
[10:10] <zazeem> ?
[10:10] <prussiapr> but i looked at it.. seems loical
[10:10] <zazeem> like that terry?
[10:10] <LinuxJones> prussiapr, so you installed the nvidia binary drivers ?
[10:11] <terry> zazeem no replace file with the filename
[10:11] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: plug:dmix still produces no sound
[10:11] <prussiapr> yeah did this
[10:11] <prussiapr> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[10:11] <rgm> prussiapr:  hey-- I'm thining of getting that exact card for a cheap MythTV setup.  You having any luck with it on linux/
[10:11] <LinuxJones> prussiapr, you must have missed something
[10:11] <crimsun> zazeem: are you using cs46xx?
[10:11] <prussiapr> the thing is it's been working all this time
[10:11] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: sec
[10:11] <prussiapr> then i get an out of synch eror.. and couldn't see anything.. after i installe azureus
[10:12] <LinuxJones> prussiapr, can you access the ubuntu files now or are you in windows ?
[10:12] <prussiapr> now it gives me config errors when i try and runx
[10:12] <zazeem>  chmod a+x linuxq3ademo-1.11-6.x86.gz.shfile; sh didnt work terry
[10:12] <Manny> hi
[10:12] <prussiapr> i'm at work.. but i can access the server remotely
[10:12] <zazeem> crimsun i dont remember
[10:12] <zazeem> how do i find out
[10:12] <rgm> ha ha
[10:12] <crimsun> zazeem: cat /proc/asound/modules
[10:12] <rgm> i'm totally screwed
[10:12] <Manny> anybody around who is responsible for the PPC port?
[10:12] <zazeem> 0 snd_via82xx is what i got
[10:12] <Dreamer3_> i'll obvioulsy have to write a cs46xx how-to when i'm done :)
[10:12] <Manny> I'm currently trying to find out why ubuntu kernels don't boot on my pegasos
[10:13] <Manny> sven luther uploaded a peg kernel tarball
[10:13] <rgm> I tried to install totem-xine while running the LiveCD and now Gnome has completely died.  Every menu item says "Cannot launch entry: not a launchable item"
[10:13] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: sorry, I've been racing back and forth, and apparently I've mixed up yours and zazeem's problems
[10:13] <Manny> will there be included a new pegasos-specific kernel if I beg for it?
[10:13] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: ah
[10:13] <zazeem> ?
[10:13] <miro__> Hi all.
[10:13] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: my problem is when i try and use the dmix device like the simple test example shows i have only silence
[10:13] <zazeem> can anyone plz tell me how to open a gz.sh file?
[10:13] <LinuxJones> prussiapr, I think you missed the nvidia-settings enable portion of the install
[10:14] <prussiapr> hmm how do i check.. i did sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:14] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i don't have a via card though
[10:14] <crimsun> zazeem: you don't open it; you execute it as terry said
[10:14] <zazeem> chmod a+x linuxq3ademo-1.11-6.x86.gz.shfile; sh didnt work...
[10:14] <LinuxJones> zazeem, you type sh whateverthefilenameis.sh
[10:14] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i have the cs46xx
[10:14] <miro__> How to contact one of the mirror admin of ubuntu?
[10:14] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: right
[10:14] <terry> whats basic ACI audio mean in respect to the proprietary nvidia audio drivers??
[10:14] <zazeem> o
[10:14] <terry> I alreay have basic audio support, but do I need ACI audio support??
[10:14] <crimsun> terry: using which sound driver, nvsound or snd-intel8x0?
[10:15] <terry> crimsun, using intel8x0
[10:15] <zazeem> k crimsun no sound in q3 either :(
[10:15] <terry> crimsun, but I was wondering if its worth using the nvidia drivers
[10:16] <gangalino> the sound on this thing (Dell Latitude CSx500 on Warty) is flakier than a good baklava
[10:16] <will> what program can copy a cd in ubuntu?
[10:16] <crimsun> terry: I can only assist with ALSA driver (snd-intel8x0)
[10:16] <gangalino> sometimes snd_nm256 works, sometimes it locks up the machine...
[10:16] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: dmix is software right, so the hardware shouldn't matter?
[10:16] <KBJ> now i got a new problem... i added the initrd to my lilo, so it could boot... it booted alot of stuff and then all of a sudden it went init 0, which means shutdown... after a couple of lines it said power down... i couldn't see what made it happen, any ideas?
[10:16] <crimsun> gangalino: / Dreamer3_: sec, looking up things.
[10:17] <gangalino> will: k3b
[10:17] <will> gangalino: no built in support?
[10:17] <prussiapr> so what should i do
[10:17] <t325> my system gets unstable with official audio nvidia, but you get a nice nvidia sound control panel with many functions for the 5.1 and such; so give it a try and fall back to 8x0 if it also gets your pc unstable..
[10:18] <zazeem> hey crimsun heres error with q3 sound ------- sound initialization -------
[10:18] <zazeem> /dev/dsp: Broken pipe
[10:18] <zazeem> Could not toggle.
[10:18] <terry> oh crimsun, those are working fine, is there stuff I can tweak with those??
[10:18] <gangalino> Will: I believe so in nautilus
[10:18] <terry> crimsun, like getting 8 channels as per my motherboard manual
[10:19] <crimsun> terry: no, snd-intel8x0 is rather limited. You'll want to use nvsound if you prefer the tweaking.
[10:19] <zazeem> u see the error crimsun?
[10:19] <gangalino> I didn't notice alsa being a part of bug=1254
[10:19] <dryzer> i have this error when i start apche2 with ldap
[10:19] <dryzer> Cannot load /usr/local/apache2/modules/mod_auth_ldap.so into server: libprldap50.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or dire
[10:19] <dryzer> ctory
[10:19] <dryzer> what i must do to correct this
[10:19] <dryzer> ?
[10:19] <crimsun> gangalino: the ALSA neomagic 256 audio driver is quite unstable. It is one of the few chipsets for which I recommend using OSS instead of ALSA.
[10:19] <t325> terry yes you get all the channels that's what I meant by 5.1 (mine is 5.1)
[10:20] <prussiapr> LinuxJones still there?
[10:20] <gangalino> crimsun: how would I switch it back to OSS?
[10:20] <terry> okay thank you t325
[10:20] <terry> t325, are they alsa or OSS??
[10:20] <crimsun> gangalino: ,,sudo modprobe -r snd-nm256 && sudo modprobe nm256_audio''
[10:20] <pepperpot> what is the default sendmail system in ubuntu?
[10:20] <bitfoo> how does one rip a dvd in linux? is there a dvd shrink like package?
[10:21] <pepperpot> bitfoo, no
[10:21] <crimsun> pepperpot: 220 localhost.localdomain ESMTP Postfix (Ubuntu)
[10:21] <gangalino> crimsun: already done that
[10:21] <t325> terry oss
[10:21] <pepperpot> crimsun, oh, i meant software. Is it exim?
[10:21] <pepperpot> bitfoo, you can run dvdshrink under wine though
[10:21] <crimsun> pepperpot: read closely ;)
[10:21] <t325> terry but as i said b4 gets my sys unstable..
[10:21] <zazeem> ------- sound initialization -------
[10:21] <zazeem> /dev/dsp: Broken pipe
[10:21] <zazeem> Could not toggle.
[10:21] <zazeem> sound error in q3 ayone know what to do to fix???
[10:21] <bitfoo> pepperpot, is there something similar that is native to linux?
[10:22] <pepperpot> bitfoo, not really, as far as i know. There's some stuff that doesn't work that well.
[10:22] <bitfoo> doh :|
[10:22] <[amasimak] > bitfoo, mencoder ?
[10:22] <crimsun> gangalino: still getting a mixer error?
[10:22] <pepperpot> bitfoo, i find dvdbackup is very good for reading, and growisofs is very good writing. But the shrinking software is pretty mediocre
[10:22] <bitfoo> dunno i have never heard of it o_O
[10:22] <zazeem> anyone gunna hgelp :|
[10:23] <bitfoo> ahh so maybe dvd shrink is my best bet then :|
[10:23] <bitfoo> under wine that is :|
[10:23] <wasabi_> I need to find a good comparison of EVMS and LVM
[10:23] <bitfoo> i kind of like the simplicity of one button ripping :|
[10:23] <wasabi_> Anybody know of one?
[10:23] <crimsun> zazeem: did you test other values of dxs_support for snd-via82xx ?
[10:23] <Manny> does ubuntu use deb kernels?
[10:23] <pepperpot> bitfoo, yep. Use dvdbackup or something like that to rip onto your hd, use dvdshrink to compress it, and use growisofs to burn it
[10:23] <stuNNed> bitfoo: simple is always the way to go imho
[10:23] <crimsun> Manny: no, Ubuntu uses Ubuntu kernels.
[10:23] <zazeem> what?
[10:23] <Manny> there were some nice recent fixups
[10:23] <pepperpot> crimsun, esmtp?
[10:24] <gangalino> crimsun: check #flood for lsmod output
[10:24] <Martok> Object oriented OS? WTF?
[10:24] <gangalino> crimsun: still no mixer. would this be a part of https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1254 ?
[10:24] <crimsun> pepperpot: what's printed after ESMTP ?
[10:24] <pepperpot> crimsun, postfix!
[10:24] <zazeem> crimsun how do i test other junk
[10:24] <t325> bitfoo, transcode is a good ripping encoding transcoding, etc. prog and there are guis for it
[10:25] <bitfoo> i'll look into it t325
[10:25] <crimsun> gangalino: you can't unload the snd_nm256 module because it's still being used
[10:25] <crimsun> gangalino: please close all applications accessing the sound device.
[10:26] <crimsun> gangalino: then unload snd_nm256 and load nm256_audio
[10:27] <fred41> Problem:  when I log in as the first-installed user, the screen goes "chocolate" for 10-15 seconds, then black, then the login screen returns.  This doesn't happen for other user names.  Suggestions?
[10:27] <terry> well the nvidia audio drivers were short lived.  They wouldnt compile on my current kernel
[10:27] <flosch> hi
[10:27] <t325> bitfoo, and transcode -i /dev/dvd -x dvd -o film.avi -y xvid -N 0x55 -b 320,0,5,0 -d -T 8,-1 -V -Z 1024x768 -R2 is a good start for a 700 mo xvid w/ good quality
[10:28] <crimsun> terry: unless you're on exotic hardware, you shouldn't need to compile them yourself if you're using a Ubuntu-provided kernel
[10:28] <Xappe> btw, any news on usplash?
[10:28] <Dreamer3_> *yawns*
[10:28] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: still looking, or am i sol?
[10:28] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: I'm still looking.
[10:28] <terry> crimsun amd64
[10:28] <bitfoo> :O
[10:29] <gangalino> crimsun: now I can't find which app is using nm_256
[10:29] <crimsun> gangalino: lsof /dev/dsp*; lsof /dev/snd/*
[10:31] <gangalino> root@mombassa:/home/cwa2 # ls /dev/snd/
[10:31] <gangalino> controlC0  pcmC0D0c  pcmC0D0p  timer
[10:31] <prussiapr> so can anybody help?
[10:32] <crimsun> gangalino: no, not ls but lsof
[10:32] <crimsun> gangalino: if lsof doesn't exist, either install it or use fuser instead
[10:32] <hitu> hello (:
[10:33] <hitu> i been not able to send anythin to anyone via dcc
[10:33] <crimsun> Manny: which kernel in particular?
[10:33] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: running a query (still)
[10:34] <defile> there's some Ubuntu discussion at osnews
[10:35] <LinkMasterSab> Hey guys, I want to remove all files that match *.jpg in a folder. I tried "rm -rf *.jpg" but it didn't do it.
[10:35] <bitfoo> copying from a dvd to my hdd has reduced the speed of my laptop to sub-molasses :(((
[10:35] <gangalino> crimsun: pretty sticky
[10:35] <gangalino> can't unload snd_256
[10:36] <wk1989> i love linux!
[10:36] <crimsun> gangalino: you have no snd_256 loaded.
[10:36] <Manny> crimsun,  2.6.10
[10:36] <Manny> it contains some (for me very important) ppc pegasos fixes
[10:36] <gangalino> can't unload snd_256
[10:37] <bitfoo> did you know solaris10 is free?
[10:37] <pepperpot> i love linux with all of my body!
[10:37] <crimsun> gangalino: presuming you mean snd-nm256?
[10:37] <gangalino> yes, root@mombassa:/home/cwa2 #  modprobe -r snd-nm256
[10:37] <gangalino> FATAL: Module snd_nm256 is in use.
[10:37] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: I need to confirm w/ upstream, but if you're using Warty, you need a newer version of ALSA [alsa-driver] .
[10:38] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: are you in fact using Warty?
[10:40] <gangalino> crimsun: got somewhere!
[10:40] <gangalino> crimsun: I killed alsamixer, then unloaded  Module snd_nm256
[10:40] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: debian sarge, 2.6.10 kernel, asla-base 1.0.7-2, when i started i never though this would be distro specific
[10:41] <gangalino> crimsun: then seg faulted! check #flood
[10:43] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: ...you're not running Warty or Hoary but Sarge?
[10:43] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: yes
[10:44] <Dreamer3_> though my warty CD is on the way
[10:44] <keyshawn2> srry linkmasterstab
[10:45] <keyshawn2> i dont know, though I do know that you're probably going to have to put in the the directory in there.
[10:45] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: ok, I'll need to check p.d.o.
[10:45] <keyshawn2> try the command 'man rm
[10:45] <keyshawn2> [without that ' in there] 
[10:45] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: pdo?
[10:45] <keyshawn2> or:\
[10:45] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: packages.debian.org
[10:45] <keyshawn2> info rm
[10:45] <link> all a sudden my audio stopped working
[10:45] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i'm about to give up, seemed like something easy to impliment an hour or two ago
[10:45] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: it's a bit less straightforward to troubleshoot for sarge, since I don't have any machines with that config.
[10:46] <link> says i dont have access to it
[10:46] <link> so what devs control audio?
[10:46] <JDahl> link, try fuser -k /dev/dsp
[10:46] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: well, does warty use toally different alsa packages?
[10:46] <link> ic lemme
[10:46] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: yes, Warty's are older than Sarge's. Hoary's are newer than Sarge's.
[10:46] <keyshawn2> keyshawn2, dude.
[10:47] <link> eh?
[10:47] <link> JDahl, nothin
[10:47] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: sheesh
[10:47] <keyshawn2> LinkMasterSab, it works eh ?
[10:47] <link> what is that command fer?
[10:47] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: guess dmix doesn't get much testing
[10:47] <hendsp> what version of gnome is in hoary at the mo?
[10:47] <crimsun> gangalino: you need to do several things:
[10:48] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: how do i find the actual alsa version sipping with 2.6.10, do yo know?
[10:48] <crimsun> gangalino: edit /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base and remove the line that reads "nm256_audio"
[10:48] <JDahl> link, it's for killing whatever process which might block /dev/dsp
[10:48] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i though it was in a header, file but i can't find it
[10:48] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: cat /proc/asound/version
[10:48] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: ok, 1.0.6
[10:48] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: should i download alsa source and compile the modules outside the kernel tree?
[10:48] <link> no i dont think its that i ran a game as root might that have something to do with it?
[10:49] <tritium> Hello.  I just installed update-notifier today.  It doesn't appear to be in the applets menu.  Do I just run in in the bg and save my session on logout?
[10:49] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: use alsa-source from Sid.
[10:49] <JDahl> link, then try sudo fuser -k /dev/dsp. Fuser only kills processes you own
[10:49] <tritium> I don't see any scripts that start update-notifier anywhere.
[10:49] <link> k
[10:50] <crimsun> gangalino: when you reboot, you'll be using OSS instead of ALSA.
[10:50] <crimsun> gangalino: that should fix you right up
[10:50] <blur> hello.
[10:50] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: easier to go get the source from the website...i'm on diadlup.. just adding sid apt sources will take as long
[10:50] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: unless sid will build it and make it all work magically, then it might be worth it
[10:50] <blur> does anybody have a howto install ubuntu from another pc? The pc where i want to install ubuntu doesnt have cdrom drive.
[10:50] <link> when i try and run that volume control it says no mixer devices found or sound devices or not enough permisions
[10:51] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: you only need one deb from Sid if you already have 'kernel-headers-$(uname -r)' installed
[10:51] <crimsun> link: warty? hoary?
[10:51] <blur> the computer have floppy.
[10:51] <link> warty
[10:52] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: hmmm, i compile all my kernels from kernel.org, i don't use debians tools
[10:52] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: kernel-headers package doesn't match by running kerenel, but the headers areom /usr/src/linux
[10:52] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: do you have configured kernel headers matching precisely your running kernel?
[10:52] <kbrooks> Hi. I want to install GNOME.
[10:52] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i'm sure i don't... i just download kernel, make, install grup-update, fly :)
[10:53] <kbrooks> how do i do this?
[10:53] <magnon> kbrooks: since you're in an ubuntu channel, I guess you have ubuntu?
[10:53] <bitfoo> ubuntu uses gnome by default :|
[10:54] <crimsun> kbrooks: is 'ubuntu-desktop' installed?
[10:54] <magnon> in that case, you have it.
[10:54] <magnon> if there's not something entirely wrong
[10:54] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: do you run ,,make clean'' in the source dir afterward?
[10:54] <link> it should be owned by root right
[10:54] <link> in the audio group
[10:54] <crimsun> link: root:audio
[10:54] <kbrooks> No. I did not install it. I will.
[10:54] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: it's been cleaned since i last installed, yeah, but i can build a new kernel, no sweat
[10:55] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: no need to build a new kernel if the configuration matches precisely
[10:55] <kbrooks> i dont want python2.3
[10:55] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i'm downloading the alsa 1.0.8 driver source snow
[10:55] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: just run ,,make prepare''
[10:55] <bitfoo> 2.4?
[10:55] <kbrooks> its listed. and i dont want it.
[10:55] <kbrooks> yeah, i want 2.4
[10:55] <bitfoo> 2.4 is hoary only i think
[10:55] <bitfoo> not warty :|
[10:55] <kbrooks> hmmm
[10:56] <fred41> I seem to be missing a .ICEauthority file in one of my user directories.  How do I re-generate the file?
[10:56] <kbrooks> fred41: you don't. chmod 755 it
[10:56] <Dreamer3_> crimsun anything wrong with using direct alsa sources?
[10:56] <bitfoo> yeah i see no backport for warty of python 2.4
[10:56] <fred41> ??  It isn't there - how can I chmod a non-existent file?
[10:57] <link> i get sound only as root
[10:57] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: if the modules work i'll figure out how to install them right is my thinking
[10:57] <kbrooks> are you sure it isn't there?
[10:57] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i just tired of waiting for downloads
[10:57] <fred41> Well, I did "ls -al" and it didn't appear - but it *is* in other users' directories.
[10:58] <ArdieM> hi
[10:58] <link> is dsp the only sound device
[10:58] <link> looks like theres a few others in there
[10:59] <ulisse> hi all!
[10:59] <crimsun> link: crw-rw----  1 root audio 14, 3 2005-01-31 11:46 /dev/dsp
[10:59] <ArdieM> i want to add ubuntu too my lilo conf. could someone tell me the bootimage (im using amd64 version) and the append?
[10:59] <pepperpot> Is there any way of transferring my evolution settings and folders from debian to ubuntu?
[10:59] <link> yeah thats what i got too on that device
[10:59] <link> crimsun: ^^
[10:59] <ulisse> is there someone running warty on Asus L4800-L laptop?
[11:00] <t325> pepperpot, import
[11:00] <ArdieM> for pclos its like: bootimage: "/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.7-2.tmb.6mdk" and append: "nomce devfs=nomount splash=silent"
[11:00] <ArdieM> u know what i mean?
[11:00] <kbrooks> link: add yourself to audio
[11:00] <crimsun> link: type: groups
[11:00] <link> im in audio yo
[11:01] <ArdieM> please :) i wanna go to bed soon ^_^
[11:02] <link> hey wtf i wasnt in any groups
[11:02] <link> howd that happen?!
[11:02] <link> i didnt do that
[11:02] <link> .......
[11:02] <pepperpot> t325, import does bits and pieces. I just want evolution set up the way I had it on my debian partition
[11:02] <link> how could that happen?
[11:02] <crimsun> uh huh.
[11:02] <link> what commands could you type in to do that?
[11:03] <crimsun> no idea, but add yourself back.
[11:03] <kbrooks> link: use groupadd
[11:03] <link> yo i was in all kinds of groups this is the default user!
[11:03] <crimsun> adm, dialout, cdrom, floppy, audio, video, plugdev, lpadmin
[11:03] <kbrooks> link: i'll check.
[11:03] <ArdieM> ouh please i rally dont know the name of the bootimage
[11:03] <defile> brb
[11:03] <crimsun> then log out and back in
[11:04] <link> yeah?
[11:04] <link> why would that change anything
[11:04] <kbrooks> can i tell yall something.
[11:04] <kbrooks> link: it does.
[11:04] <link> really what script does it run that would put me back in all my groups
[11:05] <kbrooks> link: ummm. dude
[11:05] <link> does anyone know this just doesnt make sense to me that all
[11:05] <kbrooks> link: run adduser <your user here> audio
[11:05] <link> yeah im back in audio now
[11:06] <link> but just weird how it happend
[11:06] <crimsun> link: I typed a list of groups above.
[11:06] <kbrooks> login and logout, please.
[11:06] <link> saw that thanks ma
[11:06] <link> man
[11:06] <kbrooks> link: well, look. you have to be in certain groups to get certain benefits because of permissions on certain devices
[11:06] <link> i just wanna know what would be the command to take yourself out of all your groups like that
[11:07] <link> the only group i was in was myself
[11:07] <kbrooks> link: for example, /dev/dsp is crw-rw----
[11:07] <kbrooks> link
[11:07] <kbrooks> :
[11:07] <link> crazy i wonder what i did
[11:07] <kbrooks> that means:
[11:07] <link> =oP
[11:07] <kbrooks> first character: character device
[11:08] <kbrooks> next three: owner can read and write, but not execute
[11:08] <link> i know what the permissions line means
[11:08] <kbrooks> next three: group can read and write, but not execute
[11:08] <link> all im wondering is about how my user was taken out of all his groups
[11:08] <kbrooks> and so on.
[11:08] <link> i know the permissions line
[11:08] <kbrooks> link: hold on
[11:09] <link> k
[11:09] <link> then owner
[11:09] <link> then group
[11:09] <kbrooks> well, use it to your advantage
[11:09] <kbrooks> then world.
[11:09] <link> world eh?
[11:09] <kbrooks> or other.
[11:10] <link> the number?
[11:10] <kbrooks> that's weird. i'm in all the default groups
[11:11] <link> yeah i musta did some weird command somewhere in my journys
[11:11] <Koi> link o.O
[11:11] <link> that wiped out my groups
[11:11] <kent> what is needed for a device to turn up in the computer:// ? my brother added a ide-disk to his computer, and would be glad if it could turn up there. Is there some way to make it do that?
[11:11] <kbrooks> link: and no, you didnt wipe out your groups
[11:12] <link> im just gunna go and put me back in my groups now
[11:12] <kbrooks> link: that's "deleting groups"
[11:12] <link> no but it took me outta them all
[11:12] <kbrooks> yeah
[11:12] <link> i am aware of this my friend, but thanks for your efforts
[11:13] <link> im finna look in to all dis =o) craziness
[11:13] <kbrooks> ;)
[11:13] <kbrooks> link: bye if you wanna "leaf"
[11:13] <kbrooks> :P
[11:14] <link> =o) ill be back with an answer
[11:14] <link> peace
[11:17] <minichaz> Hello. Quick question for everyone...
[11:17] <minichaz> Anyone know how to disable the .Trash folder on a USB memory stick?
[11:18] <hendsp> minichaz: i dont think you can
[11:18] <minichaz> hendsp: Damn. :)
[11:19] <hendsp> minichaz: i know :)
[11:19] <hendsp> whenever you open a window on your removable storage, view hidden directories, and delete the folder when you're done
[11:20] <minichaz> Or I believe holding shift when you delete just removes the file bypassing the trash.
[11:20] <minichaz> Still annoying though.
[11:20] <minichaz> Many thanks.
[11:21] <hikaru79> With what line can I check what version of Xorg I am currently running?
[11:22] <hendsp> hikaru79:  xdpyinfo |grep version
[11:23] <link> ok
[11:23] <link> look
[11:23] <link> things got weird
[11:23] <kbrooks> yes?
[11:23] <link> it was saying i had been in audio the whole time exept in the graphical user editor
[11:24] <link> then i logged out and back in... like you said to
[11:24] <link> and....
[11:24] <link> every thing is fine
[11:24] <link> yeah! another problem successfully solved!
[11:25] <link> but! with a reboot just like windows
[11:25] <link> i dont like fake problems like that there should be a direct soulution
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> the group thing is a systemic thing
[11:26] <link> tangible evidence ya know
[11:26] <link> tell me more im listening, what does that mean
[11:26] <link> no big problem? happens every once in a while or what?
[11:26] <link> did i do something to cause it?
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> hm?
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> if you added yoruself to a group
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> you have to log in/out to change it
[11:28] <link> o ic thought it was realtime =o)
[11:28] <Britt> so ... somehow the debian menu got in my applications dropdown
[11:28] <kebac> can users add themselves to groups?
[11:28] <Britt> how do i get rid of that sucka?
[11:28] <crimsun> Britt: remove menu-xdg
[11:28] <defile> kebac, not normally
[11:29] <crimsun> Britt: menu, too
[11:29] <kebac> is root adds user to group, does the user have to relogin to apply it?
[11:29] <sabine> Hi again!
[11:29] <Britt> crimsun, wacky ... how'd that get there
[11:29] <crimsun> kebac: yes
[11:29] <Britt> crimsun, thanks!
[11:29] <kebac> umm ok
[11:29] <crimsun> Britt: see changelog for gnome-menus (2.9.2cvs041212-0ubuntu4)
[11:30] <link> so that still leaves the question what did i do to take myself outta all my groups
[11:30] <sabine> I thought there'd be a graphical boot process in Hoary ... I just installed the latest build, but there isn't one. What's the deal?
[11:30] <link> the quest is on, save princess zelda while collecting the pieces of the tri-force
[11:31] <link> ive done it before no biggie =oP
[11:31] <Xappe> sabine, it has not been implemented yet
[11:31] <sabine> Ah okay
[11:31] <sabine> Xappe: Can it be had somewhere?
[11:32] <Xappe> don't think so
[11:32] <sabine> I see
[11:32] <sabine> So bootsplash it is or nil. Thanks.
[11:32] <sabine> Later...
[11:32] <SymbolicLink> Only if Zelda is nekkid at the end of course
[11:33] <Xappe> haven't seen any news 'bout usplash for a while
[11:34] <crimsun> there's work on it, but it could use more help.
[11:34] <Bandit> hello
[11:34] <Bandit> ooooooo I think i like this hoary
[11:35] <Guardiann> hello bandit
[11:35] <Xappe> usplash won't make it for hoary, will it?
[11:35] <vladster> where is the file that re-edits the resolve conf
[11:35] <Bandit> :)
[11:35] <vladster> I need to set it so it does not interfere with my static settings
[11:36] <link> excuse me, but what is the command to remove yourself from a group?
[11:37] <vladster> I am trying to use it as a samba server
[11:37] <vladster> If I wanted abuse, I would talk to my boss
[11:38] <vladster> Ther is a script that runs that edits that file and I need to take it balls away in that respect
[11:39] <vladster> There is no mention of the script in the file
[11:39] <vladster> yet is gets edited anyway
[11:40] <kbrooks> I have a question.
[11:40] <ced______> hello...I have a question regarding Ubuntu
[11:40] <Haukkari> Ask away
[11:40] <HrdwrBoB> well you've come to the right IRC channel
[11:41] <kbrooks> How can other users send e-mail to my user account kyle
[11:41] <ced______> My setup as of now is a Soltek SL-939-Pro, AMD Athlon 64 3000+ winchester, 512MB Mushkin RAM, and an 80GB SATA harddrive
[11:41] <kbrooks> other local users
[11:41] <ced______> I set Ubuntu up and everything was fine and dandy
[11:41] <ced______> then I go to shut down and it does the shutdown procedure (halt, etc.)
[11:41] <ced______> but then it hangs on (I believe this is the command) calling acpi shutdown
[11:41] <ced______> and it never shuts down
[11:42] <ced______> I tried a reformat, the same thing happened.
[11:42] <HrdwrBoB> ced______: that means it's shutdown
[11:42] <HrdwrBoB> and you can turn it off
[11:42] <vladster> how old is the hardware
[11:42] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: -mm acts as a stability filter, so to speak.
[11:42] <HrdwrBoB> it is trying to turn off your hardware through ACPI and your hardware doesn't like i
[11:42] <ced______> oh
[11:42] <ced______> any suggestions on trying to solve this?
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> post a bug report with your hardware listed
[11:43] <ced______> ok  I will
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> try to get it fixed for later versions
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> in the meantime.. use the power button :)
[11:43] <ced______> another question...after rebooting, gnome won't load
[11:43] <kbrooks> what is the error
[11:43] <ced______> I log on to my account and the background will show up and the right click menu will work
[11:43] <ced______> but there are no panels shown
[11:44] <ced______> I'm not sure of the error..it doesn't give any errors
[11:44] <hendsp> ced______: try going to a terminal and running killall esd - that works for me
[11:44] <ced______> ok
[11:44] <neighborlee> is hoary getting fairly stable as in no show stoppers or easily fixed if there are any ? ;-)
[11:44] <ced______> well another thing too, when trying to run a sudo commond (like sudo shutdown) it will ask for my password
[11:44] <ced______> however I can't type any password in
[11:44] <ced______> like my keyboard isn't responding
[11:44] <kbrooks> oh yes you can.
[11:44] <link> it doesnt echo the keys you press
[11:45] <link> but it is typing in
[11:45] <kbrooks> echo is turned off.
[11:45] <hendsp> ced______: the keystrokes dont show up onscreen, for security reasons
[11:45] <ced______> oh
[11:45] <ced______> shouldn't an asterick show up?
[11:45] <ced______> or is it nothing at all?
[11:45] <link> no
[11:45] <link> nothing
[11:45] <ced______> ok I feel stupid. thanks guys.
[11:45] <blahrus> anyone had luck with madwifi/Atheros 5212
[11:45] <link> its all good
[11:45] <ced______> I'll have to reinstall it again
[11:45] <kbrooks> no
[11:45] <kbrooks> dont
[11:45] <link> por que
[11:45] <kbrooks> ced______: DONT
[11:46] <ced______> no I mean I installed xp
[11:46] <kbrooks> ced______: and i mean dont.....
[11:46] <ced______> originally I tried to dual boot with xp and ubuntu
[11:46] <ced______> ;\
[11:46] <link> ok then do it
[11:46] <kbrooks> ced______: listen
[11:46] <ced______> but grub wouldn't detect my xp install
[11:46] <ced______> ok I will
[11:46] <ced______> listen, I mean
[11:46] <kbrooks> ced______: what are you doing
[11:46] <ced______> I was attempting to dual boot xp sp2 with ubuntu
[11:46] <sabine> Okay, back again.
[11:46] <REN0> Hi. I am stuck on installing my Broadcom 54g wireless
[11:47] <ced______> however after getting frustrated I reformatted and went xp only..I'm going to install it on another hardrdive since it will take a lot less time to format a 4GB harddrive than an 80GB harddrive
[11:47] <ced______> since I don't feel like dealing with multiple partitions on my 80GB drive.
[11:47] <kbrooks> ced______: actually...
[11:47] <sabine> Got some questions: firstly, is there some "pre-load-thingy" for OpenOffice available somewhere, and second, is OpenOffice 2 "good enough" for somebody to read their MS Word documents with it and not crash on them?
[11:47] <kbrooks> ced______: partition off 4 gb of 80 gb
[11:48] <REN0> ndiswrapper -l Installed ndis drivers:
[11:48] <REN0> bcmwl5  hardware present
[11:48] <kbrooks> and thats it
[11:48] <Guardiann> sabine
[11:48] <ced______> kbrooks I have my xp install set to 1 80GB partition
[11:48] <sabine> Guardiann :)
[11:48] <Guardiann> yes it is good enough
[11:48] <sabine> Cool
[11:48] <ced______> and it's a pain in the ass since I've already reformatted about 4 times
[11:48] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: ah, so my shiny new 1.0.8 isn't considered stable :)
[11:48] <Guardiann> and it gets installed when you install ubuntu
[11:48] <sabine> Guardiann: And what are the loading times as compared to OpenOffice 1?
[11:48] <REN0> So then I udo modprobe ndiswrapper
[11:48] <sabine> Guardiann: Well, I just got the latest Hoary installed, and it comes with OpenOffice 1
[11:48] <ced______> anyways thanks kbrooks
[11:49] <Guardiann> sabine not sure i dont use open office
[11:49] <sabine> I see
[11:49] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i hope it works in this case :)
[11:49] <REN0> FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
[11:49] <sabine> So does somebody know of some kind of preload program for openoffice?
[11:49] <Guardiann> abiword works with ms stuff as well and its much quicker
[11:49] <REN0> That should have said sudo
[11:49] <hendsp> REN0: did you build the ndiswrapper while running the same running kernel?
[11:49] <sabine> Guardiann: not an option unfortunaly. The friend I am converting from Windows needs some stuff that AbiWord does not have.
[11:50] <Guardiann> sabine what might that be?
[11:50] <REN0> I am using stock ubuntu kernel
[11:50] <hendsp> how did you install ndiswrapper?
[11:51] <sabine> Guardiann: a little program that loads openoffice during system boot, so that you don't have to wait that long when you need it.
[11:51] <REN0> Following these destructions: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[11:51] <djjason> is it possible to change the touchpad sensitiviy
[11:51] <Dreamer3_> sabine: what' doesn't abiword have?
[11:52] <Guardiann> sabine i know what prelinking is I was asking what doesnt abi have that you need
[11:52] <sabine> Oh I see
[11:52] <sabine> Well, not me, her
[11:52] <sabine> Some stuff about tables. I don't even know what it is since I don't use tables.
[11:52] <REN0> sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[11:53] <Guardiann> hmmm ok :)
[11:53] <hendsp> REN0: you need to build the kernel module too.
[11:53] <Dreamer3_> sabine: hmmmm abiword recent version have much better table support
[11:53] <Dreamer3_> sabine: just fyi
[11:53] <REN0> ?
[11:53] <sabine> Dreamer3_: cool, thx. I'm gonna try.
[11:54] <REN0> That from source at the sourceforge site?
[11:54] <aardvark>  anyone tried playing Doom3 under Ubuntu ?
[11:54] <aardvark> using ATI gfx card ?
[11:55] <hendsp> REN0:  sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r), then get the ndis sources from their site
[11:55] <crimsun> he means linux-headers-$(uname -r), btw
[11:55] <sabine> aardvark: No, using an old NVidia GeForce 2 MX. :-}
[11:56] <djjason> no one that knows anything about configuring touchpad sensitivity?
[11:56] <hendsp> crimsun: whats the difference between linux/kernel-sources?
[11:56] <crimsun> hendsp: ubuntu/debian
[11:56] <hendsp> crimsun: ahh, i see
[11:56] <sabine> Dreamer3_: Guardiann: "ooqstart-gnome" is what I was looking for!
[11:57] <blahrus> anyone had anyluck with madwifi/
[11:57] <blahrus> ?
[11:57] <blahrus> seems like it found the divice but its not working . . .
[11:57] <Guardiann> sabine what is that
[11:58] <Guardiann> ah i see
[11:58] <sabine> Guardiann: read the package description... it is an applet that keeps OpenOffice loaded in the background...
[11:58] <sabine> Right now it'd be cool if OpenOffice would work at all. It crashes on "Open File".
[11:58] <REN0> pjharper@reno ~ $ uname -a
[11:58] <REN0> Linux reno 2.6.8.1-2-386 #1 Tue Sep 14 10:30:08 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:59] <blahrus> anyone had anyluck with madwifi?
[11:59] <REN0> but the kernel-headers only go up to 2.67 on an apt-cache search???