[12:00] <Xalior> Hi there, I'm here, typically, looking for help...  Ubuntu installs okay (and I sorted hardware cursor to elimate the nasty X) but when I log into X the Ubuntu splashscreen appears and sits there, doing not a lot...
[12:01] <hendsp> REN0:  sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:01] <Xalior> (I have had to comment out aplay from gdmplay until I get the chance the fix buggy sound)
[12:01] <Xalior> Is this a known problem?
[12:03] <sabine> Xalior: about GNOME not loading, try making sure your home direcory is entirely owned by you and rm -f ~/.ICE*
[12:04] <toresbe> hendsp: You could also do `uname -r`
[12:04] <toresbe> hendsp: I think that's more portable or something
[12:04] <Xalior> /home/xalior is own by me and I've rm -rf .* everything in it....
[12:04] <REN0>  sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:04] <REN0> E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.8.1-2-386
[12:05] <kbrooks> i have a question
[12:05] <Xalior> sabine: had the .ICE problem in Fedoracore 2, so familiar with it.
[12:05] <toresbe> kbrooks: shoot
[12:05] <sabine> Xalior: sorry, no idea then
[12:05] <Xalior> sabine: ta anyway :)
[12:05] <hendsp> REN0: it might be in the universe repository. enable that through the synaptic tool
[12:05] <toresbe> damnit! Can't find the remote to my room >:|
[12:06] <toresbe> oh, here it was
[12:07] <sabine> WTF?
[12:07] <sabine> When I try to remove OpenOffice, it wants to remove the German Firefox localization?!
[12:07] <julio> i refer to my ubuntu as "Thulsa Doom"
[12:08] <toresbe> sabine: ooookay
[12:08] <toresbe> sabine: Probably makes sense in a weird twisted sort of way :P
[12:08] <kent> julio, thulsa doom?
[12:08] <julio> yeah...kent. as from "Conan the Barbarian"
[12:08] <sabine> toresbe: Well, I guess using Hoary has its consequences...
[12:08] <julio> it's an obtuse/obscure reference.
[12:08] <kent> julio, ok. never saw that movie.
[12:08] <toresbe> julio: Ah.
[12:09] <toresbe> Conan the Librarian!
[12:09] <julio> I tried Hoary twice, each time it was broken.
[12:09] <julio> So I'm going to wait until April.
[12:09] <Guardiann> sabine did you get openoffice 2
[12:09] <sabine> Guardiann: Not yet.
[12:09] <julio> ciao folks
[12:09] <Guardiann> its part of the hoary apt-gets
[12:09] <sabine> But got OpenOffice 1 crashing constantly.
[12:09] <hitu> hey
[12:09] <kent> julio, mine is called Leviatan, as in Hobbs /  the creature from the bible ;)
[12:10] <hitu> how do i turn off firewall ? :S
[12:10] <sabine> Guardiann: I know, just not sure if I'll try yet
[12:10] <hitu> i dunno if i have one installed
[12:10] <hitu> i cant send dcc's
[12:10] <toresbe> My computers are named after programming languages
[12:10] <hitu> people cant listen to my streaming music
[12:10] <hitu> :(
[12:10] <toresbe> hitu: Behind a router?
[12:10] <hitu> toresbe: nope
[12:10] <hitu> it was working yesterday
[12:10] <toresbe> The one I'm typing on now, a SGI O2 machine, is named Oberon
[12:11] <sabine> OpenOffice 1 actually behaves more badly than Microsoft Word itself
[12:11] <Guardiann> sabine sorry earlier you said it came with version 1
[12:11] <REN0> I've got universe and multiverse uncommented
[12:11] <REN0> already
[12:11] <sabine> Guardiann: Yes I did.
[12:12] <tarek_> hi folks
[12:12] <Guardiann> hmmmm
[12:12] <haggai> sabine: in what conditions does it crash?
[12:12] <sabine> Still need to get this laptop some hibernation support
[12:12] <sabine> haggai: Opening the second .doc file
[12:13] <tarek_> I'm lookin for guy called "arafat medini"
[12:13] <REN0> Is ubuntu using a custom kernel? Or is this a real dumb question?
[12:13] <hitu> may be i should try some other streaming program
[12:13] <haggai> sabine: ouch.  Can you write a bug report please, and include the console output?
[12:13] <sabine> First one opens fine, sometimes not displaying any content, when you try another one it says that main memory is getting sparse (this machine has 256MB of it, and 512MB swap). Then you click okay and it quits.
[12:13] <mdz> REN0: it depends on what you mean by 'custom'
[12:13] <hitu> anyone can help ... or tell me which one .. i was using slimp3
[12:13] <sabine> haggai: yup, can do.
[12:13] <smogger914> how do u use this /etc/apt/sources.list:
[12:13] <haggai> that should be plenty of memory
[12:13] <smogger914> what do u put before
[12:13] <sabine> haggai: Actually though, not sure if you want me too. After all this is the latest Hoary.
[12:14] <haggai> sabine: I'm the maintainer
[12:14] <sabine> haggai: Oh I see :)
[12:14] <haggai> :)
[12:14] <smogger914> how do u get the sources list /etc/apt/sources.list:
[12:14] <smogger914> what do u put before to see it
[12:14] <REN0> apt-cache search only shows kernel-headers to 2.67 and my kernel is Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.8.1-2-386
[12:14] <sabine> haggai: Then another thing is that when I install the gnomevfs package, it won't open any files at all anymore.
[12:15] <ewhitten> REN0:  what are you looking for?  kernel source?
[12:15] <mdz> REN0: you need to upgrade; that kernel is obsoleted by a newer one with security fixes
[12:15] <REN0> That does not compute as they say on the old star trek
[12:15] <haggai> sabine: it might be that the .doc itself causes the problems.  It would help if you could check if the doc loads in OOo2
[12:15] <REN0> which kernel?
[12:15] <mdz> REN0: 2.6.8.1-2-386
[12:15] <haggai> sabine: I haven't used the gnomevfs package although it does at least install on my machine without problems.  rene made that part of the packaging
[12:16] <REN0> Then do I need to recompile?
[12:16] <mdz> REN0: no, you need to upgrade, as I said
[12:16] <REN0> cool
[12:16] <sabine> haggai: Installation of it is fine here, too.
[12:16] <hitu> okay i reinstalled slimp3 but still nobody can listen to the streaming music
[12:16] <mdz> go to Computer->System Configuration->Synaptic, etc.
[12:16] <hitu> how do i check if i m firewalled ?
[12:16] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: now i need to do the same with alsa-base? since alsa-modules is telling me it's required?
[12:17] <blahrus> anyone had anyluck with madwifi?
[12:17] <haggai> sabine: oh, right
[12:17] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: actually i could prolly install that right from sid, no?
[12:17] <ewhitten> blahrus:  I haven't tried it (I use prism54).  Are you asking if it's good, or do you need help with it?
[12:17] <haggai> sabine: it must be something to do with your vfs setup, would be hard for me to debug without being able to reproduce it
[12:18] <sabine> haggai: I myself don't use any office suite very much. But every time somebody asks me to install them linux (like right now) it proves to be hard to keep the persons on it once they got it. Ubuntu has done some great good to this, but some major problems still remain. Mainly long booting time, then long startup time of the office tools, and third the unreliability of GNOME, which manages to not start without giving an error message every no
[12:18] <sabine> w and then.
[12:19] <smogger914> how do u see this list deb http://dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/jedit
[12:19] <smogger914> no that
[12:19] <REN0> Where is the linux source build directory that matches your running kernel? IN Ubuntu Warty?
[12:19] <smogger914> how do i see this /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:19] <haggai> sabine: yeah I know what you mean
[12:19] <ewhitten> smogger914: what do you mean? are you trying to edit your sources.list?
[12:20] <smogger914> yes
[12:20] <REN0> smogger914, sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:20] <haggai> sabine: it does help to give feedback.  Especially in the bug tracker, that way things are less likely to get lost
[12:20] <ewhitten> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:20] <kbrooks> wow
[12:20] <REN0> or gedit
[12:20] <ewhitten> it's a good thing I didn't say emacs. ;)
[12:20] <sabine> haggai: Okay then, I'm going to try to put it down.
[12:20] <Martok> Hey, this is off topic but does anybody have any ideas about making Linux control house hold appliances and stuff?
[12:20] <blahrus> ewhitten, well I need some help
[12:20] <blahrus> ewhitten, can I pm you
[12:20] <sabine> haggai: But how are you going to make much sense from it, without access to the setup here?
[12:21] <kbrooks> I have a question.
[12:21] <REN0> It doesn't matter if the cat is black or white as long as it catches mice (and isn't from Microsoft)
[12:21] <kbrooks> blahrus: ASK HERE
[12:21] <kbrooks> REN0: LOL
[12:21] <blahrus> kbrooks, will you take a look at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13897
[12:21] <sabine> kbrooks: Then go forward...
[12:21] <blahrus> cause I don't want to flood
[12:22] <kbrooks> blahrus: hold on
[12:22] <blahrus> thanks.
[12:22] <haggai> sabine: that is my worry.  If I can't reproduce it here I might not be able to fix it.  But at least I have the information that it isn't working properly, and in which circumstances
[12:22] <sabine> REN0: Microsoft have gone into genetic engineering?
[12:22] <sabine> haggai: I see...
[12:22] <Martok> Microsoft really did patent body power a couple of years ago.
[12:23] <REN0> It is a parable. Gedit, Emacs, vim, vi...doesn't matter
[12:23] <Martok> Although... that's not really genetic engineering at all...
[12:23] <REN0> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:23] <REN0>  driverloader
[12:24] <TheButteryWonder> cd Desktop
[12:24] <REN0> I was trying this driverloader thing before.
[12:24] <REN0> apt-get remove driverloader
[12:29] <REN0> This is doing my head in
[12:31] <REN0> The kernel-headers don't exist!!
[12:32] <Martok> Hey, anybody know a channel for bleeding edge technology?
[12:33] <ewhitten> plugging in a pcmcia firewire card with external drive, copy stuff over while printing out boarding pass to a printer hooked to an airport express.
[12:33] <REN0> Discovery, National Geographic, BBCWorld Martok...any of those
[12:33] <Zotnix> Is there anyway to edit menus yet?
[12:34] <PotajiTo> how do i set my qt directory so the configure find it?
[12:34] <Maxzorin123> I wan't to try ubuntu
[12:34] <Maxzorin123> where is the bleeding edge release?
[12:34] <Dreamer3_> ok
[12:34] <Dreamer3_> alsa 1.0.8 and still no luck
[12:34] <pepsi> #bleedingedgetechnology
[12:34] <hitu> how do i stop iptables service ?
[12:34] <nightwolf> damn pepsi beat me to it
[12:34] <pepsi> :)
[12:34] <hitu> :<<<
[12:34] <hitu> what kernel are u on
[12:34] <hitu> REN0
[12:34] <rellik> I put a 'while 1; do sleep 5m; <reset screensaver idle timer>; done' in a script, to use while watching videos...  and I ran the script (in cron, I think)...  now every 5 minutes I see "idle timer reset"..  how do I kill the script? :(  the script is called "monpersistant" but 'ps -A | grep monp' shows nothing...  I can 'ps -A | grep sleep' and kill the 5m timer, but that won't break out of the while loop, so the script just continues on...  :(
[12:34] <ne0genius> hey guys .. is there a graphical tool to adjust the screen position in Ubunto?
[12:34] <nightwolf> hitu you dont stop it, you clear the filters, iptables --flush
[12:35] <Maxzorin123> hello?  where can I download Ubuntu's very latest build?
[12:35] <ewhitten> Zotnix:  not especially, no.
[12:36] <Torak> hi all. I am trying to install ubuntu on a machine with a wireless USB keyboard (HID i think the kernel module to make the kybd work is called). I can't use the installer as the kybd is not 'recognised'. Any workarounds to this?
[12:36] <REN0> ne0genius, computer>system configuration>screen resolution maybe?
[12:37] <blahrus> kbrooks, anything?
[12:37] <nightwolf> Maxzorin123, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[12:37] <Xappe> Maxzorin123, think the best way is to upgrade from a clean Warty install
[12:37] <ne0genius> REN0: thanks .. its not an option there though
[12:38] <Maxzorin123> how is Nvidia support?
[12:38] <Maxzorin123> in Ubuntu
[12:38] <Maxzorin123> can you install the drivers without leaving X?
[12:38] <ewhitten> Maxzorin123:  download warty warthog, install it, and change your apt sources.list to point to hoary.
[12:38] <ewhitten> bleeding edge updates.
[12:38] <ewhitten> and oh yes, you will bleed.
[12:38] <ewhitten> :)
[12:38] <Maxzorin123> LOL
[12:40] <ne0genius> REN0, im using a kvm on an lcd monitor and it it only stores one position per resolution so it shifts when i switch between XP and Ubuntu
[12:40] <Torak> maxzorin: i guess nvidia support is like any other linux dist: great! (well, my geforce 6800 config was very straightforward, compared to my ati 9600xt)
[12:40] <Dreamer3_> anyone here with thinkpad/cirus logic sound and has dmix working?
[12:40] <blahrus> kbrooks, anything?
[12:40] <Maxzorin123> what is the difference between hoary and warty?
[12:40] <Torak> anyone know how to install with a wireless USB keyboard, without buying a new keyboard? hehehe
[12:40] <Torakiky> hi
[12:41] <Torakiky> I have a problem, someone can help me?
[12:41] <Neill> What is the problem?
[12:41] <Torak> Torakiky: what is the problem? (nice nick btw... i think)
[12:41] <Pluk> lmao hotmail sees openoffice.org files as infected
[12:41] <Pluk> Name of File	Verslag2.sxw
[12:41] <Pluk> Virus Scan Result	bad file Unknown virus scanner failure Virus Found
[12:41] <Pluk> :D
[12:41] <Torakiky> I can't hear any audio when playing a video on mplayer
[12:42] <Neill> Torakiky: can you normally hear audio?
[12:42] <ewhitten> Maxzorin123:  Yes, but you need to restart X to get them going.
[12:42] <sabine> That not being possible put aside, it is good.
[12:42] <Torakiky> yes
[12:42] <Neill> Torakiky: does it affect all video's?
[12:42] <Neill> or just one?
[12:43] <Neill> Torakiky: what about playing a wav or mp3 or ogg in mplayer?
[12:43] <Torakiky> no, with all videos (or however all I tryed)
[12:43] <ne0genius> anyone else have suggestions on changing my screen position?  maybe in the command line even but a gui would be nice
[12:44] <Torakiky> it's the same
[12:44] <Torakiky> no audio..
[12:44] <Xalior> Problems all sorted - no idea why - Virgin install has problems, reinstall, Virgin install has no problems *shrug*
[12:44] <Torakiky> even with mp3
[12:44] <kbrooks> something in ubintu is annoying me. i cant click anythin
[12:44] <Neill> mmm. so it sounds like an mplayer problem rather than codecs.
[12:44] <Xappe> i had to compile mplayer with esd-support to get sound
[12:44] <kbrooks> and i'm trying to move an applet but it wont work.
[12:45] <Neill> ne0genius: 'screen position' ?
[12:45] <kbrooks> anyone?
[12:45] <kbrooks> HELP!
[12:45] <kbrooks> something in ubuntu is annoying me. i cant click anythin
[12:45] <kbrooks> and i'm trying to move an applet but it wont work.
[12:45] <Torakiky> I can't found anyone on the web that has my problem...
[12:45] <Neill> kbrooks: you can't click? or you can't move an applet?
[12:45] <Neill> or both
[12:45] <Torak> is there anyway to "force" the installer (or kernel) to load a module at boot time?
[12:45] <kbrooks> and my cursor is the moving cursor
[12:45] <kbrooks> Neill: both
[12:45] <Neill> Torak: put the module name in /etc/modules
[12:45] <ne0genius> Neill, yeah like the 'x' coordinate position .. its an lcd
[12:45] <hizz> evening
[12:46] <kbrooks> and the moving cursor wont stop being the moving cursor
[12:46] <Neill> ne0genius: you want to adjust the image settings to make it fill your screen? can't your monitor do that?
[12:46] <Neill> are you using DVI or D-SUB to connect it?
[12:46] <hizz> has anyone managed to get intel's ipw2100 working out of the box?
[12:46] <Torak> neill: nah, ubuntu isn't installed yet, so /etc/modules doesn't exist ;) i mean when i boot from the ubuntu CD sorry
[12:46] <Xappe> Torakiky, check the MPlayer preferences for EsounD audio output
[12:46] <kbrooks> HELP!
[12:46] <kbrooks> HELP!
[12:46] <kbrooks> HELP!
[12:46] <kbrooks> HELP!
[12:46] <REN0> I am bravely upgrading to hoary just for the fun of it. Must be the wine...
[12:46] <Neill> Torak: ah. you should be able to modprobe them.
[12:47] <kbrooks> I want help now :(
[12:47] <Neill> kbrooks: one sec
[12:47] <darkx> i upgraded to hoary about a week ago
[12:47] <darkx> been doin good so far
[12:47] <REN0> Good australian wine not the stuff you run windows programs on.
[12:47] <Neill> kbrooks: has it ever worked?
[12:47] <kbrooks> Neill: yes.
[12:47] <Neill> have you tried restarting X ?
[12:47] <Torakiky> Xappe: I tried that way too
[12:47] <Torak> neill: my keyboard only works in GRUB. post grub, i've no keyboard support. Can i do something like boot: linux export modprobe <blah> ?
[12:47] <hizz> i can't for the life of me get wireless lan running
[12:48] <Xappe> i've been useing Hoary only, since early december
[12:48] <ewhitten> REN0:  Hey Syrrah Syrrah
[12:48] <kbrooks> Neill: i cant restart X
[12:48] <Neill> Torak: what sort of keyboard?
[12:48] <Neill> kbrooks: why not?
[12:48] <kbrooks> i have a setup script for wine running
[12:48] <ewhitten> hizz:  what's your card?
[12:48] <Torak> neill: Microsoft (yeah yeah yeah), USB wireless
[12:48] <kbrooks> and i dont wanna damage wine
[12:48] <hizz> intel 2100
[12:48] <ne0genius> Neill, well im using a kvm .. so each setup has a slightly different position cause of the card .. it will auto adjust but then when i switch it shift to the left a little .. it only stores the auto adjust setting for the current resolution so if i have 12x10 on both setups the cards have different positions
[12:48] <hizz> the setup program detected it fine, but once i got the system up and running nothing worked anymore
[12:48] <Neill> Torak: does it not emulate a usb keyboard?
[12:49] <hizz> it wouldnt use dhcp either
[12:49] <TongMaster> Can a Hoary user confirm whether or not this package is in Hoary: libnet-ssh-perl-perl
[12:49] <ne0genius> Neill, i know Suse has a grphical tool .. but its built into that Yast crap
[12:49] <Neill> ne0genius: urgh. Do you have an nvidia card?
[12:49] <ewhitten> hizz:  is this a centrino card or a pcmcia?
[12:49] <hizz> centrino
[12:49] <REN0> ewhitten, its Lindemans Cawarra Shiraz Cabernet. I think I have been reading too many cooking with linux columns
[12:49] <Torakiky> uhm..if I want to remove a package...wich command do I have to launch?
[12:49] <Neill> kbrooks: I dunno tbh.
[12:50] <Torak> neill: doesn't seem to. (I have tried both Legacy USB support on and off in the bios, but i'm not sure what else to try). Perhaps i'll just buy a cheapo keyboard for the install, as i am sure i can get things working once i have a working linux on the box
[12:50] <kbrooks> TongMaster: I believe it is.
[12:50] <Neill> I'd put it down to buggyness in gnome/x
[12:50] <hizz> the driver module comes with warty doesnt it
[12:50] <hizz> kernel module i mean
[12:50] <TongMaster> kbrooks, excellent, thanks.
[12:50] <darkx> Torakiky, sudo apt-get remove <package>
[12:50] <ewhitten> hm.  does ifconfig or iwconfig see your card?
[12:50] <Neill> Torak: well if it doesn't emulate a usb keyboard you're a bit screwed.
[12:50] <hizz> nope
[12:50] <Torakiky> thanks darkx
[12:50] <Neill> Torak: how does it work in windows?
[12:50] <darkx> np
[12:50] <Torak> neill: the keyboard works under fedora 3, so i guess it does
[12:50] <kbrooks> Neill: but...how do I restart X
[12:50] <Neill> is it bluetooth?
[12:50] <hizz> ifconfig only sees loopback0 or something like that, iwconfig sees that and my eth0
[12:51] <Neill> kbrooks: ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:51] <ne0genius> Neill, one is nvidia the other has onbaord video .. ati rage i think .. not trying to enable 3d or anything .. i am familiar with installing the nvidia drivers though
[12:51] <hizz> could it have something to do with the fact that i selected the wireless as my main connection in the installer?
[12:51] <ewhitten> hizz:  it shouldn't.  is your wireless eth1?
[12:51] <hizz> sound doesnt work either :)
[12:52] <Neill> ne0genius: my best suggestion is that I think the nvidia drivers have options that allow you to tweak the position. Get them and look at the readme to see if there is info on how to set that up.
[12:52] <hizz> i dont have any entry anywhere for wireless
[12:52] <hizz> is the module not loading properly?
[12:52] <Torak> the keyboard didn't work ages ago, until i did a kernel recompile with HID support or something.. so i am pretty sure i can get it to work again, once ubuntu is installed ;)
[12:52] <ewhitten> hizz:  do an lsmod and see if it's loaded.
[12:52] <ne0genius> Neill, thx .. ill take a look
[12:52] <haggai> sabine: I wonder if you have https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5020
[12:52] <Lars> Hi all. Lars here from Sweden
[12:52] <sabine> haggai: just a second...
[12:52] <haggai> sabine: there is a work around in the bug log
[12:53] <sabine> haggai: I just had OpenOffice.org 2 installed. Looks nice, but is even slower than 1.
[12:53] <Lars> anyone has time to help me with an install question?
[12:53] <Neill> Torak: yeah probably. get a cheap ps2 keyboard  for a few units of your local currency of choice.
[12:53] <hizz> well there is a mention of it when i do lsmod | grep ipw2100
[12:53] <Neill> Lars: if it's quick
[12:53] <Lars> need to know how to run the install files from a hard drive instead of a CD
[12:53] <sabine> It's really a shame that a PIII with 1000MHz and 256MB RAM doesn't do for normal office work under Linux, speed-wise.
[12:54] <Torak> neill: *nod*, could have got it by now, but well.. buying a new piece of hardware seemed "the easy way out" ;) thanks for the help
[12:54] <elJo-> sabine: it doesn't?
[12:54] <Lars> Neill: how do I run the installation files from a harddriv instead of from a cd?
[12:54] <Norvegiaese> Hi, I need help or a good thick rope, is there a queue?
[12:55] <Neill> Lars: there isn't an easy way to do that really. What are you trying to do?
[12:55] <Neill> You might want to investigate debootstrap
[12:55] <elJo-> Norvegiaese: 1) ask 2) rope ;)
[12:55] <hizz> lol
[12:55] <ewhitten> hizz:  does ifconfig eth1 give you anything?
[12:55] <Neill> which lets you install into an arbitary directory
[12:55] <hizz> nope
[12:55] <hizz> wait now it does
[12:55] <Neill> but requires some form of linux (unix?) to start off with.
[12:55] <Lars> Neill: I run the iso-file by Deamon manager, creating a virtual disk. I would like to run the installation from there.
[12:56] <hizz> but iwconfig says no wireless extensions
[12:56] <hizz> eth0 is not found
[12:57] <Torak> is #ubuntu always this busy? maybe i'll stick with it once i've installed it. At least it seems a lot of people are using it...
[12:57] <ewhitten> hm.  I'm not really familiar with this card.  Anyone else?
[12:57] <lifeless> Torak: yes
[12:57] <Neill> Torak: normally fairly busy
[12:57] <Lars> Neill: do I really have to burn a cd and boot installation from there?
[12:57] <Neill> What is daemon manager?
[12:57] <Neill> Lars: you'll make life much easier for yourself
[12:57] <elJo-> hizz: what card do you have?
[12:57] <Neill> you can get free cd's posted to you.
[12:57] <hizz> intel centrino 2100
[12:57] <Torak> hmm. excellent. Another convertee then. I'm off to buy a keyboard. bye for now
[12:58] <Lars> Neil: Deamon manager lets you run an iso-file directly from a hdd instead of burning it
[12:58] <Neill> Lars: in which operating system?
[12:58] <Lars> Neill: I have tried the free posting. Haven't got the disk yet though.
[12:58] <blahrus> anyone had any luck with madwifi?
[12:58] <Lars> Neil: I run windows98
[12:58] <Neill> Lars: ah, they do come.... eventually (mine took about 6 weeks)
[12:59] <Lars> Neil: I have fait in that as well. Just too impatient. :)
[12:59] <hizz> wifi and linux =(
[12:59] <Neill> Lars: is this daemon manager thing under windows then?
[12:59] <Neill> or is it a linux thing?
[12:59] <hizz> daemon tools is a windows thing
[12:59] <elJo-> hizz: i've been using an cisco aironet and linux for quite some time now. kismet sure is nice :)
[12:59] <hizz> =)
[12:59] <Lars> Neil: yup. runs under any windows version. shows iso-files as if it was burned on a cd
[01:00] <melazyboy> Opening /proc/modules: No such file or directory
[01:00] <hizz> im stuck with intel's chipset
[01:00] <Neill> Lars: I can't really see how you can run the installer from there -- it doesn't work inside of windows, you need to boot into it.
[01:00] <Neill> Burning a cd is probably the easiest way forward
[01:00] <elJo-> melazyboy: lsmod? ,)
[01:00] <hizz> it worked ok with linuxant's driverloader, but now that there's a linux driver for it i'd rather use that
[01:00] <Lars> Neil: ok. will pass the iso-file over to a friend tomorrow then for a burn.
[01:00] <hizz> and i haven't managed to find anyone on the forums with a similar problem
[01:01] <melazyboy> yea im making my own distro as a joke =/
[01:01] <melazyboy> Mine doesn't need bloat like modules
[01:01] <Torakiky> no...it's not possible...
[01:01] <magnon> ...bloat.
[01:01] <melazyboy> or multiuser init levels
[01:01] <elJo-> melazyboy: then you don't need bloat like /proc/modules either ;->
[01:01] <Lars> Neil: Thanks for quick help! Cheers from Sweden! :-) Ubunto now all over the globe...
[01:01] <melazyboy> I dont have /proc/modules heh
[01:02] <sabine> elJo-: Not for somebody who is used to Windows XP and MS Office. I didn't want to believe, but then I tried -- XP is up in about 20 seconds, Word takes less than 5. Ubuntu needs circa 1:30, then OpenOffice another minute.
[01:02] <sabine> haggai: That sounds very familiar, yes
[01:02] <sabine> haggai: Minor issue, after removing OOo2 again, the OOo2 Draw menu entry stays in the menu...?
[01:02] <Lars> Any other Scandinavians here?
[01:02] <pepperpot> How do I set up my palm pilot? I pressed sync on my palm, and dmesg|tail gives me usb 1-1.3: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB0, but I don't see anything like that under /dev
[01:02] <elJo-> sabine: now i could tell you all that stuff about windows preloading office, but i won't ;)
[01:02] <pepperpot> /dev/pilot also doesn't exist
[01:03] <elJo-> sabine: i admit that gnome on anything but recent hardware (< 3 years) feels slow
[01:03] <sabine> elJo-: Well, that's all fine. But even WITH preloading office, Windows takes 20 seconds to boot on this machine, as opposed to Ubuntu - which does not preload OpenOffice and needs one and a half minute
[01:03] <Xenguy> housetier: it is time for my supper, so I'll end this unproductive discussion here.  Suffice it to say that 'idiot' is a dictionary word, and it certainly applies to blatant 'trolling' behaviour.  Beyond that, I'm not sure what else to say.
[01:03] <Xenguy> ww
[01:04] <sabine> elJo-: GNOME itself actually is as fast as I could wish. The problem is booting time and office suite startup time. Everything else is fine.
[01:04] <Norvegiaese> K, well I just installed ubounty linux on my shuttle 64. And it organised a mutiny, it has taken over my ship entirely and put the previous microsoft officers xp to sleep. the mutinous system refuses to wear clothes, only black and white pattern that looks a bit like a scull to me... 1 sata disk, automatic partition setup in fresh free space, one error message on not getting the right clock speed. not lilo.
[01:04] <haggai> sabine: the icon is maybe cached somewhere; it should get removed together with the package
[01:04] <elJo-> sabine: there's a gnome-applet for preloading ooo - maybe that'll help a bit
[01:05] <haggai> elJo-: it's not very stable
[01:05] <elJo-> haggai: ok. never tried it myself.
[01:05] <hizz> is there a way to read the bootup log when the system is running?
[01:05] <haggai> elJo-: me neither but I get bugreports from confused people every now and again
[01:05] <hizz> hotplug is also spewing error messages
[01:05] <sabine> elJo-: I just tried that. It isn't a preloader, just a starter.
[01:05] <Yannick_> anyone know if we drag wav files to burn:///, will this be a valid AUDIO CD?
[01:05] <elJo-> haggai: "confused"? :)
[01:06] <elJo-> sabine: sorry to hear that
[01:06] <elJo-> sabine: you're not german, by chance? :)
[01:07] <sabine> elJo-: Well, I actually am.
[01:07] <elJo-> sabine: thought so :)
[01:07] <sabine> :-)
[01:07] <sabine> elJo-: How did you know?
[01:07] <sabine> Oh. The name. Right.
[01:07] <elJo-> sabine: yup :)
[01:08] <sabine> I'm actually `rapha'. But since this is Sabine's computer...
[01:08] <cafuego> Has anyone else had problems with the launching of xmms making Xorg quit?
[01:08] <elJo-> sabine: now the question is who's rapha.. but that's certainly ot ;)
[01:08] <Norvegiaese> someone knows bout this stuff?
[01:09] <elJo-> Norvegiaese: stuff? what stuff?
[01:09] <sabine> elJo-: rapha is more or less a regular visitor in here
[01:09] <Norvegiaese> grub problems with sata
[01:09] <elJo-> sabine: assume i know nothing about this channel. which is true :)
[01:09] <sabine> Okay :)
[01:10] <sabine> I'll be gone, logging out and back in
[01:11] <itamar> anyone tried sony vaio s360 yet? it's so new and shiny I can't find anything on the web
[01:11] <cafuego> itamar: Send it to me, I'll try it for you.
[01:12] <itamar> if I had one I wouldn't be askin', I'd be tryin'
[01:12] <hizz> stupid centrino =(
[01:13] <elJo-> hizz: last i heard, centrino was supported?
[01:13] <cafuego> well
[01:13] <hizz> yeah i thought so too
[01:13] <cafuego> that doesn't imply you'd WANT it
[01:13] <hizz> installer detects it fine too
[01:13] <cafuego> I hear AMD64 laptops are nice :-)
[01:13] <hizz> which is strange
[01:13] <elJo-> cafuego: certainly :)
[01:14] <cafuego> get some orinocos
[01:14] <shock>  is ubuntu hoary going to be released with gnome2.10 ?
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[01:15] <shock> oh man
[01:15] <shock> :D
[01:15] <shock> nice
[01:15] <shock> really
[01:15] <shock> well... most features anounced are allready there :D
[01:15] <Anubis> I'm about to attempt my first install of Ubunutu
[01:15] <Anubis> wish me luck?
[01:15] <Norvegiaese> anyone? ubuntu install on single sata drive?
[01:15] <shock> good luck
[01:15] <hizz> hey how can i configure alsa? it didnt detect my soundcard
[01:15] <elJo-> Anubis: of course :)
[01:15] <hizz> good luck anubis
[01:16] <Norvegiaese> very good luck
[01:17] <cafuego> (and SOny are evil, too)
[01:17] <illustre> what is the release date of hoary?
[01:17] <hizz> ibm's X series is soooo nice
[01:17] <elJo-> but pretty good looking
[01:17] <wasabi> How is Ubuntu EVMS support?
[01:18] <wasabi> Should I be using LVM instead
[01:18] <hizz> okok any wifi people still around?
[01:18] <kh4nh> Hi guys
[01:18] <hizz> i managed to get wlan0 to show in the gnome network settings thing
[01:18] <hizz> but it won't stay active
[01:19] <kh4nh> I just installed Ubuntu last night,
[01:20] <kh4nh> the install process was fast, very impressive
[01:21] <kh4nh> i just had a minor problem, my screen is off-center to the left, do you guys know how to fix it
[01:21] <pepperpot> after writing a udev rule, do I need to /etc/init.d/udev restart or anything?
[01:21] <neom> When it boots, or wlays?
[01:22] <kh4nh> neom, r u talkin' to me
[01:22] <neom> yr
[01:22] <neom> ye
[01:22] <hizz> is there anyway to run the network config again after the install?
[01:22] <Norvegiaese> Noone here have any pointers on a fuct ubunti install on a single sata drive?
[01:22] <kh4nh> always, i tried xvidtune
[01:23] <kh4nh> did not solve it
[01:24] <neom> hizz - There is the network dialog where you can configure the network settings once you are in the os.
[01:25] <hizz> thanks
[01:25] <kh4nh> there are alot of people here, and there are not much talking goin on, i wonder what people are doing
[01:25] <hizz> silly thing won't activate my ethernet
[01:25] <hizz> sigh
[01:25] <hizz> i might as well start from scratch
[01:26] <kh4nh> hey neom, any clue on my issue
[01:26] <ebag> kh4nh: i'm working ;)
[01:26] <neom> no clue kh4nh.
[01:26] <kh4nh> ebag, wat u do for living man
[01:27] <neom> hizz - are you in the install right now?
[01:27] <hizz> nope
[01:27] <hizz> i have a more or less working system, only ethernet wifi and sound are missing
[01:28] <ebag> kh4nh: web programming
[01:28] <kh4nh> cool
[01:28] <ebag> pays the bills.
[01:29] <bitfoo> :|
[01:29] <kh4nh> ebag, u r working late
[01:29] <ebag> kh4nh: nope... only 4:30pm here (San Diego, CA).
[01:29] <cafuego> !lart xfstt
[01:30] <kh4nh> oh i see, it's 7:30 here in toronto
[01:30] <sabine> Okay, office questions clear.
[01:30] <bitfoo> don't worry if i write rhymes, i write checks
[01:30] <sabine> Now, where does GNOME keep the list of recently used documents? The "clear" button doesn't work...
[01:34] <sabine> Dreamer3_: do you know about those recently used documents?
[01:34] <Dreamer3_> sabine: no
[01:34] <sabine> too bad
[01:34] <Dreamer3_> sabine: i switched to xfce :)
[01:34] <sabine> Lol
[01:35] <Dreamer3_> gnome was just too much
[01:36] <dissent> sabine, I looked in my home directory and it appears that the recent documents list is in a file named .recently-used
[01:36] <hizz> omg it works
[01:37] <hizz> irq conflict :)
[01:37] <Ramin> Anybody knows about GRUB and Windows problems?
[01:37] <sabine> dissent: Try deleting that file. The list will still be there.
[01:37] <ewhitten> hizz:  great!
[01:37] <hizz> =)
[01:37] <shock> er... say... is the gnome-theme-manager totally bungled for anyone else?
[01:38] <dissent> sabine: Crud...so much for trying to help...  = )
[01:38] <shock> for me it keeps crashing and if it doesnt it forces 100% CPU load
[01:38] <sabine> Ah
[01:38] <sabine> .nautilus/metafiles
[01:38] <sabine> maybe this
[01:42] <sabine> grep -r reinstall_debs .[!.] *
[01:42] <sabine> sabine@dosha:~$
[01:42] <sabine> ???
[01:42] <sabine> They got to be SOMEwhere!
[01:42] <Norvegiaese> Is there some code I am missing? I thought this is a help forum, no?
[01:43] <hizz> seems it doesnt like WEP though
[01:43] <tritium> Norvegiaese, what's the problem?
[01:44] <tolstoy> Is there a way to get my "root" windows (like synaptic), to use my normal user theme?
[01:44] <Norvegiaese> I have no gui, no Xp
[01:44] <hizz> login as root then change the theme to whatever your user has? =)
[01:44] <tritium> Xp?
[01:44] <bitfoo> ?!
[01:45] <Norvegiaese> fresh install with automatic partitioning. Grub doesnt detect it
[01:45] <tolstoy> hizz, but you can't log in as root, eh?  or do you mean sudo su?
[01:45] <tolstoy> sudo su -
[01:45] <bluefoxicy> how do I change the keymap for the console
[01:46] <tritium> Norvegiaese, windows?  Did you let the installer write over it?
[01:46] <Norvegiaese> I used automatic partitioning on free space on a sata disk that also contains xp
[01:46] <Norvegiaese> no I checked that ... ;)
[01:47] <Norvegiaese> I mean unformatted
[01:47] <tolstoy> hizz, would be nice, for a desktop distro like ubuntu, to do that be default.  Hm. Maybe I'll file a feature request.  (That default GTK is, uh, uh...not good.)
[01:47] <hizz> well if you do a sudo passwd root from console you might be able to login as root, not entirely sure though
[01:47] <hizz> anyone know for sure?
[01:47] <Ramin> Anybody know how to resolve a GRUB issue :)
[01:47] <tolstoy> hizz, I could do that from the console, startx, and change things.  After this bigass download, I'll try it.
[01:48] <tolstoy> hizz, that's what I used to do with redhat
[01:48] <tolstoy> many man gnomes ago.
[01:48] <sabine> Hmm
[01:48] <hizz> hehe
[01:48] <sabine> That network sharing stuff in Hoary is nice
[01:48] <sabine> Unfortunately it crashes Nautilus every now and then
[01:48] <ewhitten> Ramin:  what's your problem?
[01:48] <hizz> i think you can allow root to login from GDM via that startup settings tool
[01:49] <tolstoy> Hizz.  Hm. I copied my ".themes" from my user to the root account, and root apps now pick up the theme.  damn.  too easy.
[01:49] <hizz> brb
[01:49] <hizz> lol
[01:49] <pepperpot> what's the best spam filter on ubuntu?
[01:50] <pepperpot> spamoracle?
[01:51] <tolstoy> Makes sense.  I guess I never picked up on it because I tend to use a lot of the industrial stuff, which I have to add separately.
[01:51] <hizz> interesting
[01:51] <hizz> gaim irc is kinda bad isnt it
[01:51] <hizz> but i'm glad i'm online in linux =)
[01:51] <tolstoy> it is if you kill gnome-panel and it takes down gaim.
[01:52] <hizz> xchat any good?
[01:52] <hizz> is that the one that embeds itself on your desktop?
[01:52] <sabine> xchat rules
[01:52] <hizz> ok ill brb again
[01:52] <tolstoy> Hm. symlink /root/.themes to /home/me/.themes ought to fix things nicely.
[01:52] <tolstoy> since I'm the only user.
[01:53] <bitfoo> what about the uninvited user :|
[01:53] <tolstoy> crackers must make due with butt-ugly, motifish gtk widgets.
[01:53] <hizz> there we go
[01:54] <bitfoo> :P
[01:54] <lifeless> can someone try running the mail-files script, its bust for me, would like to check its not just me before filing a bug.
[01:55] <bluefoxicy> I like, want to change my default keymap, to dvorak instead of qwerty
[01:55] <bluefoxicy> how do I do that
[01:55] <hizz> computer > desktop preferences > keyboard
[01:56] <shock> oh boy... thats the 3rd bug I submitted
[01:57] <shock> *sigh*
[01:58] <bitfoo> :|
[01:58] <hizz> ok i have a more trivial question, can i make nautilus open each folder in the same window?
[01:58] <bitfoo> oh i want to do that too
[01:59] <shock> yes
[01:59] <shock> thats easy
[01:59] <LinuxJones> hizz, gconf-editor
[01:59] <sabine> How do you add menu items to the applications menu in Hoary?
[01:59] <bluefoxicy> hizz:  nice try but not quite
[01:59] <shock> gconf-editor->apps->nautilus->allways use browser
[01:59] <bluefoxicy> hizz:  X already uses dvorak (xorg.conf)
[02:00] <hizz> =)
[02:00] <bluefoxicy> hizz:  but the console is qwerty
[02:00] <holycow> hi all
[02:00] <holycow> hey, how do you reset the passwords in the gnome network browser?
[02:00] <shock> gconf-editor->apps->nautilus->preferences->allways_use_browser actually
[02:00] <LinuxJones> hizz, then apps >> nautilus >> preferences >> always use browser = true
[02:00] <hizz> thanks
[02:00] <root> hi all
[02:00] <holycow> i accidentally typed in a password to the wrong account and now i cannot log into a network share ... ?
[02:00] <hizz> wow windows shares show up automatically, nice
[02:02] <jeanjean> if i want to install a new package he only search on my cdrom
[02:02] <jeanjean> how can i change it ?
[02:02] <root> q
[02:03] <gsobalvarro> Question: why does Rhythmbox not produce any sound no matter what machine I install it on?  On some it just crashes.
[02:03] <shock> since my theme-manager wont start - how can I switch icon-themes? like where is the setting stored?
[02:03] <hizz> i think you have to enable the online repositories in synaptic
[02:03] <hizz> hm can i mount my local windows drive?
[02:03] <hizz> fstab right?
[02:03] <shock> right
[02:03] <shock> :)
[02:03] <hizz> /etc/fstab?
[02:04] <jeanjean> sudo nano -w /etc/fstab
[02:04] <shock> yes
[02:04] <hizz> i use default options right?
[02:04] <hizz> can ubuntu write to ntfs?
[02:04] <ewhitten> hizz:  add umask=022
[02:04] <ewhitten> hizz: no, ntfs write support in the kernel is still experimental/very dangerous.
[02:04] <hizz> oh ok
[02:05] <gsobalvarro> grub to boot FreeBSD?
[02:05] <shock> can someone help me on the icon-theme thing?
[02:05] <shock> would be really nice to get away from XI-Gnome and back to default
[02:05] <hizz> /dev/hda5  /mnt/docs ntfs umask=022 0 0
[02:06] <hizz> ?
[02:06] <shock> or how do i grep for a line recursively in a directory?
[02:06] <ewhitten> hizz, you could can use defaults options as well
[02:06] <shock> grep -r 'test' ./* ?
[02:07] <hizz> what does umask=022 do?
[02:07] <ewhitten> gives users read access. otherwise, only root will have it.
[02:07] <hizz> ah, and thats in the default options too?
[02:08] <ewhitten> try this:  /dev/hda5    /mnt/docs    ntfs    defaults,ro,umask=022    0  0
[02:10] <Tinn> i have a strange boot problem on my new warty box.  i get fsck errors on the same partition everytime i boot, but running fsck /dev/hda2 doesn't find anything wrong.
[02:10] <Tinn> anyone seen this before?
[02:11] <farruinn> I'm in the shipit database (already got my warty cd's).  If I "update" my info for different disks will I get warty or hoary disks?
[02:12] <escoz> does anybody has experience working with Ubuntu and ADS?
[02:12] <hizz> thanks ewhitten
[02:12] <Tinn> shock, look into the find command.  I'd have to dig out the manpage to figure the syntaxt, but it can find the files and run grep on each one.
[02:13] <ewhitten> np
[02:14] <Tinn> any fsck gurus online?
[02:15] <andrewski> where does one change one's LANG/LC_* variables system-wide?  Or, to put it differently, how do I turn my system into a unicode-spewing beast?
[02:15] <daniels> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:16] <andrewski> daniels: and it'll give me options to set?
[02:16] <daniels> andrewski: yah
[02:18] <Dreamer3_> daniels: isn't debian beautiful
[02:18] <andrewski> daniels: will that automagically set my user accounts' variables to en_IE.UTF-8, or do i have to do that manually somewhere?
[02:18] <daniels> Dreamer3_: ?
[02:18] <andrewski> Dreamer3_: i'm diggin' it so far. 8)
[02:18] <daniels> andrewski: unless you've overridden it, yeah
[02:18] <Dreamer3_> daniels: just refering to the dpkg- command you referenced :)
[02:18] <daniels> ah
[02:19] <Dreamer3_> andrewski: i'm still on sarge, but waiting for my ubuntu cd
[02:19] <andrewski> Dreamer3_: you order one?
[02:19] <kbrooks> ;)
[02:19] <Dreamer3_> i was tring to get dmix working for an hour earlier, but finally gave up... i have hardware mixing anyways seems like :)
[02:19] <kbrooks> Dreamer3_: did YOU order one?
[02:19] <Dreamer3_> andrewski: for 1.99 off ebay
[02:19] <kbrooks> :P
[02:19] <kapputu> not sure if this is the right room for this question, but I need an IDE for Ubuntu that I can use for remote development
[02:19] <kbrooks> Dreamer3_: no way
[02:19] <kbrooks> are you joking
[02:19] <kapputu> akin to EditPlus on Windows
[02:19] <andrewski> daniels: will i have to reinstall packages or do anything else to see the results in my user apps, or am i done?
[02:19] <hizz> lol
[02:19] <Dreamer3_> kbrooks: why?
[02:20] <daniels> andrewski: that should be it
[02:20] <kbrooks> Dreamer3_: because you can order a pressed cd via shipit
[02:20] <kbrooks> for fre
[02:20] <kbrooks> free
[02:20] <Dreamer3_> kbrooks: i read the faq, sounded like it might take a while :)
[02:20] <andrewski> daniels: well, my music playlists still show up with garbled characters... do i need to reinitialise them?
[02:21] <kbrooks> heh
[02:21] <andrewski> Dreamer3: you didn't want to download one?
[02:21] <hizz> crap my gaim system tray icon disappeared =/
[02:21] <Dreamer3> andrewski: 50 horus was a little much
[02:21] <andrewski> lol
[02:21] <sabine> Night all!
[02:22] <Dreamer3> andrewski: and i've have it now if the guys lights weren't off for 2 days because a tree fell on something
[02:22] <Dreamer3> oh well
[02:22] <bitfoo> are there other p2p apps besides amule?
[02:22] <bitfoo> and azureus
[02:22] <hizz> is azureus the only bittorrent client?
[02:22] <daniels> andrewski: quite possibly; the characters could all be iso-8859-1.  you will need to restart all your apps and log in again, mind.
[02:22] <hizz> for linux
[02:22] <bitfoo> the only i know of
[02:22] <bitfoo> its really good though
[02:22] <bitfoo> i think bit tornado?
[02:22] <bitfoo> maybe is linux?
[02:23] <andrewski> daniels: yes, of course...
[02:23] <hizz> i used to use that in windows
[02:23] <hizz> its good too =)
[02:23] <hizz> hey whats the app that allows you to view running processes again?
[02:23] <hizz> kinda like top
[02:23] <bitfoo> yes
[02:23] <bitfoo> someone sells them :O
[02:23] <HrdwrBoB> ps
[02:24] <hizz> in X i mean
[02:24] <Dreamer3> bitfoo: who? most places sell the protected windows media, etc...
[02:24] <Dreamer3> man, i'm bored
[02:24] <HrdwrBoB> Dreamer3: allofmp3.com
[02:24] <hybrid> hello
[02:24] <hizz> hi
[02:24] <Dreamer3> i need to become a unbuntu person
[02:24] <HrdwrBoB> offtopic though
[02:24] <bitfoo> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/02/235241&tid=141&tid=17
[02:25] <hybrid> hey whats ur fav bittorrent downloader and whats a good .avi player
[02:25] <andrewski> hybrid: i like xfmedia for video, myself.
[02:25] <Tinn> check out magnitune.com for unprotected music files.
[02:26] <Dreamer3> Tinn: yeah, i'm on there now, but can only find one or two artists i care for at all
[02:26] <digitalpure> how do I format a USB HD for ext2 so I dont have to mount the ntfs files system again
[02:26] <Tinn> err magnatune.com
[02:26] <mdorn> Running Warty Warthog w/ kernel 2.6.8.1-2-386, installed by default.  Why is 2.6.7-1 the newest version of the source/headers the only one available in the Ubuntu repositories for the warty distro?
[02:26] <bitfoo> did you visit my link :|
[02:26] <bitfoo> dreamer,
[02:26] <bitfoo> :O
[02:26] <Amaranth> there isn't a linux-source-2.6.8?
[02:27] <bitfoo> ?
[02:27] <bitfoo> did you add backports repository?
[02:27] <bitfoo> i have 2.6.10 :|
[02:27] <bitfoo> on warty
[02:27] <mdorn> Amaranth: yes!  I was looking at kernel-source.
[02:27] <mdorn> Thanks.
[02:27] <tux> is there a site like apt-get.org for ubuntu users
[02:27] <Dreamer3> bitfoo: yeah, reading now
[02:28] <tux> to search for apps ?
[02:28] <bitfoo> hmm
[02:28] <bitfoo> dunno tux
[02:28] <Amaranth> mdorn: kernel-* is from debian
[02:29] <hams> is there an app that can take webpages and periodically check to see if they've changed?
[02:31] <mdorn> more to the point: has anybody managed to get the ltmodem deb package for kernel 2.6.8.1-2-386 to work with warty?
[02:31] <blahrus> i have just installed hoary anyone had any luck with it and madwifi?
[02:31] <mdorn> The forums paint a somewhat bleak picture of that matter.
[02:31] <oMega505> hey guys, where is synaptic in Hoary?
[02:32] <bitfoo> mdorn did you see if there is a backport :|
[02:32] <blahrus> oMega505, should be in your system tray already
[02:33] <hybrid> is anyone here running warty on ppc
[02:33] <andrewski> blahrus: i didn't have it in mine automagically... oMega505, try running update-notifier.
[02:33] <tolstoy> oMega505, Desktop -> Administration
[02:33] <oMega505> kk
[02:33] <blahrus> well it found it during install
[02:33] <blahrus> now I plug it in nothing
[02:33] <mdorn> bitfoo: backport?
[02:34] <oMega505> tolstoy, i dont have that .S
[02:34] <robertj_> When is the nex Array due?
[02:34] <tolstoy> i've got hoary upgraded from warty, but upgrade-notifier doesn't come up by default. is this intentional?
[02:34] <Amaranth> mdorn: If you run the appropriate debian kernel (kernel-*, not linux-*), you should be able to use that deb.
[02:34] <andrewski> blahrus: sorry, i was talking about the system tray icon.  regarding madwifi, what do you have right now?
[02:34] <tolstoy> oMega505, ah. No menus?
[02:34] <blahrus> andrewski, hoary
[02:34] <oMega505> well, i do have the menus, but no update notifier, like you i think
[02:34] <mdorn> Amaranth: does that mean I have to reinstall the kernel?
[02:35] <andrewski> blahrus: so it found it during install and you've kept it plugged in, or have you un/replugged it?
[02:35] <blahrus> andrewski: it said it found it durning the install
[02:35] <tolstoy> oMega505, go to the "Desktop" menu, then choose the "Administration" menu...
[02:35] <blahrus> kept it plugged in the whoel time
[02:35] <robertj_> tolstoy: did you just upgrade?
[02:35] <robertj_> if you just upgraded, there won't be anything to show
[02:35] <andrewski> blahrus: ok, and as for the rest of my question?
[02:35] <tolstoy> robertj, nope.  been updating since soon after wart.
[02:35] <blahrus> andrewski: I have tired unplugging and plugging back in, bothing in dmesg
[02:35] <blahrus> andrewski: and nothing can be modprobed
[02:35] <andrewski> blahrus: have you tried plugging in/rebooting?
[02:36] <oMega505> well, im going to those places in the menu but i dont have update notifier there
[02:36] <andrewski> blahrus: i.e. having it plugged in at boot?
[02:36] <tolstoy> robertj, i was wondering if it somehow automatically starts itself without me having to add it to gnome-session, or something.
[02:36] <robertj_> I thought it should be added by now
[02:36] <Amaranth> mdorn: probably, since the default one is the ubuntu one
[02:36] <blahrus> andrewski: let me give it a shoot
[02:36] <andrewski> oMega505: no, there you're looking for synaptic, or packages.
[02:36] <blahrus> I will reboot with it plugged in
[02:36] <blahrus> and the eth0 no
[02:36] <andrewski> blahrus: ok, i'll be here.
[02:36] <Amaranth> mdorn: TIAS
[02:36] <blahrus> not*
[02:36] <blahrus> k
[02:36] <robertj_> my laptop doesn't have it either though
[02:36] <hybrid> damn no1 on ppc
[02:37] <Amaranth> mdorn: If that kernel is a requirement it should tell you when you try to install the deb with dpkg
[02:37] <tolstoy> robertj, that I don't see it now is because I'm up to date, of course. ;)
[02:37] <oMega505> andrewski, synaptic is not there either... hehe i just upgraded from warty.
[02:37] <robertj_> it shows in hte sesion though
[02:37] <robertj_> if I do an apt-get update it shows up as well
[02:38] <robertj_> so maybe it's not doing the apt-get update automatically yet
[02:38] <andrewski> oMega505: i'm not in gnome and i forget what it's called.  look for a pink icon with a cd in it and use some common sense to find something having to do with packages/installation/etc.  that's the best i've got. :)
[02:38] <Amaranth> oMega505: I think it's in System Tools.
[02:38] <oMega505> let me check, ive been looking for awhile
[02:38] <oMega505> :P
[02:38] <andrewski> Amaranth: thanks. ;)
[02:39] <Amaranth> So I'm just trying to remember.
[02:40] <oMega505> Amaranth, nope, its not there.. somehow it magically dissappeared.. which is the terminal command to run it?
[02:40] <andrewski> oMega505: synaptic.
[02:40] <oMega505> umm, its not working
[02:41] <mdorn> Amaranth: I get no such warning, but the ltmodem package is ltmodem-2.6.8-1-686 while it seems my kernel version is 2.6.8.1-2-386.
[02:41] <andrewski> oMega505: hmm. :)
[02:41] <mdorn> Would that make for this kind of incompatibility?
[02:41] <andrewski> oMega505: maybe it's simply not installed...
[02:41] <oMega505> maybe
[02:41] <oMega505> apt-get synaptic it is
[02:41] <oMega505> but the wierd thing is that i dont get the update notifier either
[02:41] <andrewski> oMega505: that works?
[02:41] <mdorn> It seems the offending line in the dpkg install process is "grep: /etc/modprobe.conf: No such file or directory"
[02:41] <andrewski> oMega505: you have to run `update-notifier` for that.
[02:42] <oMega505> command not found
[02:42] <robertj_> oMega: do apt-get update
[02:42] <robertj_> see if that makes it show up
[02:42] <andrewski> oMega505: i don't know which package installs it...
[02:42] <bitfoo> what was that again
[02:42] <bitfoo> to make windows open up in current window not new one
[02:43] <shock_> clear
[02:43] <shock_> lol
[02:43] <Zotnix> I dislike this notifier thingy.
[02:44] <shock> i seriously get to configure my irssi again
[02:44] <shock> *sigh*
[02:44] <andrewski> Zotnix: yeah, me too; not very useful... kinda clunky, and even makes the xfce system tray look funny (but i'm pretty sure it's not xfce's fault :P)
[02:44] <shock> for the love of the conversations I dont remember how to get rid of the join/quit/part messages
[02:44] <bitfoo> yay
[02:44] <robertj_> andrewski: does base not depend on it?
[02:44] <andrewski> robertj: base depend on what?
[02:46] <robertj_> andrewski: desktop-base
[02:46] <robertj_> does it depend on update-notifier
[02:46] <andrewski> robertj: h/o...
[02:46] <Zotnix> I like how people bash the Ubuntu for spatial Nautilus.
[02:47] <Zotnix> I read a review that said, "Ubuntu was okay. I hated how browsing the file system opened a new window for each folder though."
[02:47] <robertj_> Zotnix :it's a fair criticism
[02:47] <Zotnix> Well, for gnome.
[02:48] <robertj_> Ubuntu uses Gnome
[02:48] <Zotnix> not for Ubuntu... as Ubuntu simply uses gnome. ;)
[02:48] <Gwildor> umm i accidentaily chose the wrong video driver, what is the command to reconfigure x?
[02:48] <andrewski> robertj: i don't think so, but it may in deeper levels, but desktop-base is just a metapackage that installs a group of packages; you don't *need* it to have a working desktop.
[02:48] <oMega505> hey guys
[02:48] <oMega505> how can i know if I am running xorg and not xfree?
[02:48] <robertj_> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I believe
[02:48] <Gwildor> thnx
[02:49] <blahrus> andrewski: you there
[02:49] <andrewski> blahrus: yup.
[02:49] <wasabi> What it take to make a mount point show up in nautilus?
[02:49] <wasabi> like my /share
[02:49] <blahrus> andrewski: no go
[02:49] <andrewski> blahrus: ok, try this.  you in gnome?
[02:49] <blahrus> yup yup
[02:49] <blahrus> andrewski: i see it in the device manager
[02:49] <andrewski> blahrus: ok, good.
[02:49] <robertj_> Zotnix: well I don't like Windows 95's spatial browsing and at the time it was a major irq causing me to disdain using it
[02:49] <robertj_> but I didn't say "it's an explorer problem"
[02:50] <andrewski> blahrus: try going to networking in the admin section (where synaptic is also)
[02:51] <Zotnix> Yeah but Microsoft makes Explorer as well as Windows... and puts them together purposefully and made that a "feature." Ubuntu and gnome aren't married like that.
[02:51] <Zotnix> It's a gnome "feature" (or problem)
[02:51] <robertj_> Zotnix: yes they are
[02:51] <Cyberjames> hi! What is the package name for unrar and unrarj ?
[02:51] <robertj_> Gnome is _the_ desktop for Ubuntu
[02:52] <andrewski> robertj: plain and simple, they are not married like that.
[02:52] <robertj_> Just like you could install Litestep on 95 you can install KDE on Ubuntu
[02:52] <andrewski> Zotnix: IMO, they should've just packaged Xfce. ;P
[02:52] <Zotnix> Yes, but if you have a problem with spatial nautilus you go the gnome guys. not the Ubuntu guys.
[02:52] <robertj_> Zotnix: I don't think its dumb to ask a distro maker to customize upstream
[02:53] <robertj_> I think its dumb not to use Ubuntu because you don't like a default nautilus setting
[02:53] <andrewski> robertj: you don't ask the distro maker to customize upstream; you ask upstream... that's zotnix's point.
[02:54] <oMega505> i had a very botched warty-hoary upgrade
[02:54] <oMega505> no synaptic, i am still running xfree, no upgrade thingy
[02:54] <andrewski> oMega505: did you get synaptic back?
[02:54] <robertj_> andrewski: I think its appopriate either place
[02:54] <oMega505> well, i apt-get installed it
[02:54] <Zotnix> I'm just saying blaming the distro for a setting in gnome is a bit extreme. Though I can see from a new comer's stand point they would do such a thing.
[02:54] <andrewski> robertj: no, it's not; nautilus is a gnome app that ubuntu packages and releases.
[02:55] <andrewski> robertj: ubuntu people do not (necessarily) develop gnome apps.
[02:55] <blahrus> andrewski: sorry I keep getting kicked
[02:55] <robertj_> btw, ubuntu-desktop does depend on update-notifier now
[02:55] <andrewski> blahrus: no problem, seems like a server problem...
[02:55] <blahrus> andrewski: i am sure
[02:55] <oMega505> i just used synaptic to get the fglrx drivers and it said i dont have xorg installed, hehe
[02:55] <andrewski> blahrus: a bunch of people are getting kicked.  did you go into the networking section?
[02:55] <blahrus> andrewski: where did you want me to start
[02:55] <andrewski> blahrus: that's where you can configure your wireless card...
[02:56] <blahrus> andrewski: its not there
[02:56] <andrewski> blahrus: not where?
[02:56] <robertj_> andrewski: I don't see how that's relevant, the distromaker chooses whether or not to customize.
[02:56] <blahrus> andrewski: in the network setting
[02:56] <blahrus> under desktop, admin, network
[02:56] <andrewski> robertj: yes, and ubuntu chose to leave the settings be for that one; i don't even use nautilus but i've much praise for ubuntu....
[02:56] <Zotnix> One thing that confused me... if you try to install gnome-sounds it wants to remove gdm
[02:56] <Zotnix> Is that... normal?
[02:57] <andrewski> blahrus: so the window is open, yes?
[02:57] <andrewski> Zotnix: weird....
[02:57] <blahrus> Network settings
[02:57] <blahrus> yes
[02:57] <shock> http://www.gtnw.de/~tr/screen_ubuntu.png <- I actually did customize my desktop - u like it?
[02:57] <holycow> blahrus, when you are configuring yoru card you need to make sure you have the firmware on your system
[02:57] <andrewski> blahrus: but your card is not listed?
[02:57] <blahrus> andrewski: correct the wireless card is not
[02:57] <holycow> some authors don't allow their firmwar to be distributed and so you can be spinning your wheels for ages unless you check
[02:57] <andrewski> blahrus: ok, do you see it when you run `ifconfig`
[02:58] <blahrus> not for ifconfig or iwconfig
[02:58] <andrewski> blahrus: ok, then the card's not running, i.e. the driver is not loaded.  you're sure the card is supported, right?
[02:58] <blahrus> yup
[02:58] <bitfoo> i think that font is butt ugly shock :|
[02:59] <blahrus> it asked if I wanted to use it durning boot
[02:59] <andrewski> blahrus: ok, try running `modprobe ath_pci`
[02:59] <blahrus> I have used the card with fedora core since fedora was started
[02:59] <andrewski> blahrus: ok, don't mean to second-guess you. :)
[02:59] <blahrus> root@chodelaptop:/home/blahrus # modprobe ath_pci
[02:59] <blahrus> FATAL: Module ath_pci not found.
 - heh... well... the best "spacy" font I could find in 15 minutes
[02:59] <shock_> *g*
[02:59] <blahrus> andrewski: no biggie, it's fair to assume i am newbie :)
[02:59] <bitfoo> shock
[02:59] <bitfoo> you should get umm
[02:59] <andrewski> blahrus: ok, seems like it's not installed... h/o
[02:59] <bitfoo> this one called snap
[03:00] <shock_> snap!
[03:00] <shock_> yes!
[03:00] <bitfoo> www.duke.edu/~peg2/desktop.png
[03:00] <bitfoo> like that
[03:00] <bitfoo> :|
[03:00] <blahrus> andrewski: weird .. . . . .
[03:00] <shock_> thank you! I forgot that name!
[03:00] <shock_> now I remember
[03:00] <shock_> thats the one I used in my old bb!
[03:00] <blahrus> bitfoo: where did you get that background
[03:00] <andrewski> blahrus: apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[03:00] <shock_> THANX bitfoo!! *HUG*
[03:00] <bitfoo> its hot isnt it :D
[03:01] <shock_> btw - damn kewl desk
[03:01] <bitfoo> i got it off of deviantart
[03:02] <andrewski> blahrus: that command's written in my notebook; someone gave it to me right before i installed the first time. ;)
[03:02] <blahrus> andrewski: THANKS!!!
[03:02] <andrewski> blahrus: lol, that worked?
[03:02] <blahrus> andrewski: I figged I didn't need to do it that time, if it found during boot, asked if I wanted to use eth0 or ath0
[03:02] <andrewski> blahrus: you configured the card in networking?
[03:02] <blahrus> brb let me make sure I can bring it up
[03:02] <blahrus> yea
[03:04] <geppy> How could one achieve transparent windows in GNOME on Warty?
[03:04] <andrewski> geppy: not on warty. :)
[03:04] <geppy> andrewski: haha
[03:05] <geppy> andrewski:  What would one need to do?
[03:05] <andrewski> geppy: you need xorg (as opposed to xfree), which is only available in hoary.
[03:05] <blahrus> andrewski: yaya!!!!
[03:05] <andrewski> blahrus: sweet. :D
[03:05] <blahrus> andrewski: silly linux
[03:05] <blahrus> andrewski: onlyway to look at it
[03:05] <geppy> andrewski:  Ah, alright.  After upgrading, what would need to be done?
[03:05] <andrewski> blahrus: yeah, that's weird that it auto-detected but wasn't installed....
[03:05] <oMega505> hey guys, is there a cool 3D game for linux that's free?
[03:05] <blahrus> who knows
[03:05] <oMega505> :p
[03:06] <Phreakazoid> oMega505, Enemy Territory
[03:06] <blahrus> brb, going to run off of networkcard
[03:06] <neom> bzflags
[03:06] <andrewski> geppy: switch to xorg, add the proper configuration, run transset. :)
[03:06] <geppy> andrewski:  Much thanks!
[03:06] <runenes> oMega505, flightgear
[03:06] <andrewski> geppy: yeah, good luck with that; there's plenty of documentation out there, but if you get stuck there's always people to help. ;)
[03:06] <forcotton> oMega505, Enemy Territory
[03:06] <andrewski> oMega505: gl117
[03:06] <oMega505> =)
[03:07] <runenes> forcotton, said allreaddy you lose :()
[03:07] <forcotton> ooops
[03:07] <oMega505> hmm
[03:07] <oMega505> i could get quake 2 from synaptic
[03:07] <oMega505> hehe
[03:07] <andrewski> forcotton: where's enemy territory?
[03:07] <geppy> oMega505:  That would only be the Quake2 _engine_, not Quake 2.
[03:07] <neom> oMega505 - www.bzflag.org
[03:08] <oMega505> aww
[03:08] <forcotton> andrewski, google about it
[03:08] <oMega505> btw, how do i go about to play windows games on linux? :S
[03:08] <oMega505> im afraid just to ask hehhe
[03:08] <geppy> oMega505:  Which games?
[03:08] <forcotton> www.enemy-territory.com
[03:08] <andrewski> forcotton: got it... that's free?!
[03:08] <geppy> andrewski:  Yeah.
[03:08] <andrewski> oMega505: you need wine for that.
[03:09] <neom> And luck.
[03:09] <forcotton> free as in free beer ;)
[03:09] <andrewski> neom: LOL
[03:09] <andrewski> forcotton: who would turn down free beer?
[03:09] <geppy> RMS?
[03:09] <forcotton> those who made quake series
[03:09] <forcotton> id software
[03:10] <thanqol> I'm having a problem obtaining dhcp lease
[03:10] <blahrus_> andrewski: man, I hope they are working this server issue
[03:10] <andrewski> blahrus: you could always switch. ;)
[03:10] <andrewski> blahrus: there are plenty of freenode servers....
[03:10] <neom> Free beer is like windows updates. The people who give you it only give you it to further their ulterior motives.
[03:10] <blahrus_> andrewski: you running hoary
[03:11] <andrewski> blahrus: yeah.
[03:11] <zenrox> me too hoary rocks
[03:12] <andrewski> udev, xorg, etc... :)
[03:12] <blahrus_> andrewski: what repos did you add to get mplayer, flash, java, those things?
[03:12] <neom> I updated to hoary last night, and when it came back up.. I coudln't ssh to it.. and I was like.. racking my brain for 3 hours as to why I couldn't connect. I tried -everything-. And then I realized this morning that I had forgot to set a static ip on the box and the ports where bring fwded to the wrong ip on my router. :(
[03:12] <andrewski> blahrus: universe is the big one... did you add that?
[03:12] <oMega505> andrewski, how do i got about getting the transparencies and stuff for xorg?
[03:12] <blahrus_> can't said I did
[03:12] <blahrus_> wasn't sure if it was safe with hoary
[03:13] <neom> I added it, seems to be running fine.
[03:13] <tolstoy_> oMega505, google for "xcompmgr"
[03:13] <geppy> I use gxine, but I'm wondering if it's possible to make Totem not suck.
[03:13] <andrewski> blahrus: well, it's development, so no guarantees, but i'm doing just fine with only a few hangups in the past.  if you know (kind of) what you're doing, you'll be ok.
[03:13] <blahrus_> geppy: I think totem just sucks
[03:13] <andrewski> geppy: me too.  use xfmedia. :)
[03:13] <geppy> blahrus:  Ah, indeed.
[03:13] <tolstoy_> oMega505, you have to modify xorg.conf a bit, then apt-get install xcompmgr. and transset
[03:13] <andrewski> oMega505: switch to xorg :), configure xorg.conf, run transset. :)
[03:14] <geppy> andrewski:  ha!  I shall never leave my precious gxine
[03:14] <blahrus_> andrewski: do you have the apt lane for that repo handy?
[03:14] <andrewski> geppy: well, i'm just suggesting a (better) alternative; xfmedia is better-looking and still uses your precious xine engine. :)
[03:14] <geppy> andrewski:  Where'd you get xfmedia from?  It's not in the repository.
[03:14] <runenes> geppy, I know totem has been worked on quite a bit for 2.10 - i'm downloading gnome-cvs now to check it out
[03:14] <geppy> andrewski:  haha =)
[03:14] <oMega505> hehe
[03:14] <andrewski> geppy: www.os-cillation.de
[03:14] <geppy> runenes:  Ooh, cool.
[03:14] <forcotton> no one use mplayer?
[03:14] <geppy> andrewski:  Alright.
[03:14] <geppy> forcotton:  No, it sucks.
[03:14] <andrewski> forcotton: pssh.
[03:15] <andrewski> blahrus_: h/o a sec.
[03:15] <blahrus_> forcotton: i know enjoy mplayer
[03:15] <blahrus_> its always worked right for me
[03:15] <geppy> He lies!
[03:15] <forcotton> hooh, I like mplayer a lot
[03:15] <geppy> MPlayer has a crappy GUI.
[03:15] <forcotton> I don't use mplayer's gui
[03:15] <andrewski> blahrus_: www.ubuntuguide.com... look there, towards the top on how to add repositories.  you don't need the third-party servers, just the universe ones.
[03:15] <blahrus_> geppy: I don't care as much about the gui as I do about owkring
[03:16] <andrewski> blahrus_: lol
[03:16] <geppy> Ah, well, that's nice and all, but I couldn't bear to put it on my parents computer. =)
[03:16] <forcotton> mplayer has a pretty good interface with keyboard
[03:16] <bitfoo> i wish mine worked :|
[03:16] <geppy> bitfoo:  Your what?
[03:16] <bitfoo> my mplayer :|
[03:16] <bitfoo> its...flakey... :|
[03:16] <andrewski> bitfoo: it's mplayer. ;P
[03:16] <geppy> =)
[03:16] <bitfoo> heh
[03:16] <bitfoo> like it plays no sound at all in firefox
[03:16] <jasonf> is there some nifty, easy way to java-ize ubuntu?
[03:17] <forcotton> Guess you need to compile from source to get an usable mplayer
[03:17] <forcotton> :)
[03:17] <andrewski> bitfoo: i've had good experience with gxine's plugin for that.
[03:17] <Amaranth> the only reason i have mplayer is because it will extract a .bin and play the movie file inside of it on its own so i don't have to fsck with bin2iso and mount
[03:17] <bitfoo> i tried that plugin too but no dice:|
[03:17] <andrewski> jasonf: what do you want to do?  get it in your browser?
[03:17] <jasonf> andrewski: yep
[03:17] <blahrus> andrewski: now I got  my nick back
[03:18] <andrewski> jasonf: search for packages named "blackdown"; that's java.  you could also use sun's java.
[03:18] <runenes> I have mplayer because it plays everything there is, but I'm looking forward to gsreamer + totem/rythmbox will work up to par - the design is beutiful, nicely integrated into gnome. The major problem is of course binary codecs, patents etc
[03:18] <andrewski> but it's free beer, whereas blackdown is free speech. :)
[03:18] <raydogg_> how come mplayerisn't in the repository ?
[03:19] <geppy> runenes:  Is that ever going to happen?
[03:19] <jasonf> andrewski: blackdown is painful. but does ubuntu's java packaging suck as bad as debians?
[03:19] <ewhitten> raydogg_ : it's in multiverse in hoary, at least
[03:19] <andrewski> jasonf: i don't know, but i bet they're similar.
[03:19] <geppy> runenes:  The only reason that I like gstreamer is gstreamer-jack, but that doesn't work either.
[03:19] <raydogg_> when is hoary going to be official ?
[03:19] <jasonf> andrewski: then I'll do it by hand.
[03:19] <ewhitten> april, I heard
[03:19] <andrewski> jasonf: like i said, sun's JRE is in the packages....
[03:19] <darkx> yep
[03:19] <darkx> iirc
[03:19] <ub> very excited about Ubuntu!
[03:20] <shushi2005> Hey, would anyone help me set up my SS1021 wireless network card? When pcmcia initiates both of the cards light turn on but I have no connection.
[03:20] <andrewski> ub: woo.
[03:20] <ub> only if the fonts could be made more crisp!
[03:20] <oMega505> ub, there is a way to make them bette
[03:20] <ewhitten> ub:  bitstream vera fonts with subpixel (lcd) smoothing looks great.
[03:20] <ewhitten> at least, better than windows, I think.
[03:20] <andrewski> jasonf: did you see the package free-java-sdk?
[03:21] <oMega505> ub, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4456 try that, it worked for me
[03:21] <jasonf> andrewski: yes
[03:21] <jasonf> andrewski: is that sun or black?
[03:21] <geppy> andrewski:  Vas ist das?
[03:21] <andrewski> jasonf: dunno, look at its dependencies...
[03:21] <andrewski> geppy: ich weiss nicht...
[03:21] <runenes> geppy, featurewise it will be on par, the thing is that gnome hackers aren't all that interested in making it work well with codecs they can't distribute anyway. Some people talk about patents as a possible problem in the future, but sadly it's a reality now.
[03:21] <blahrus> andrewski: did you add the  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[03:22] <geppy> runenes:  Hmph.
[03:22] <andrewski> blahrus: no, those are the ones i meant.  you could, but i didn't; i don't know who's making those packages and i'd rather not have them creep into my system.
[03:22] <raydogg_> whats the best text editor to use ?
[03:22] <geppy> raydogg_:  vi
[03:22] <shock> vim
[03:22] <raydogg_> no, gui wise
[03:22] <shock> *g*
[03:22] <andrewski> raydogg_: gvim :)
[03:22] <shock> er... emacs ?
[03:22] <runenes> raydogg_, ed
[03:22] <geppy> gvim
[03:22] <raydogg_> i know how to use vi, i just dont' like it cuz its hard to copy blocks of code
[03:22] <shushi2005> Hey, would anyone help me set up my SS1021 wireless network card? When pcmcia initiates both of the cards light turn on but I have no connection. I have tried the orinoco_cs drivers, but they didn't solve the problem.
[03:22] <shock> gvim is good
[03:23] <andrewski> raydogg_: gvim. :)
[03:23] <geppy> raydogg_:  gvim
[03:23] <raydogg_> i shall try it
[03:23] <runenes> ed man ed
[03:23] <andrewski> raydogg_: i think the package is vim-gnome or vim-gtk...
[03:23] <geppy> vim-gnoke
[03:23] <blahrus> andrewski: how do you play xvid and mp3's then?
[03:23] <geppy> *gnome
[03:23] <raydogg_> k
[03:23] <andrewski> blahrus: mp3s: mpd!!!
[03:24] <geppy> mpd?
[03:24] <andrewski> blahrus: and i don't have any xvids... they're illegal. :)  though i do have one movie downloaded (legally) and it's an avi file i play in xfmedia. :)
[03:24] <andrewski> geppy: www.musicpd.org
[03:24] <geppy> danke
[03:24] <andrewski> geppy: it's awesome...
[03:24] <andrewski> bitte
[03:24] <HrdwrBoB> andrewski: there's nothing inherently illegal about an xvid
[03:24] <andrewski> ausgezeichnet!
[03:24] <ewhitten> shushi2005:  are you associated to an access point?
[03:24] <oMega505> ugh it sucks
[03:24] <andrewski> HrdwrBoB: i know, let's not mince words....
[03:25] <oMega505> many programs i downloaded dont appear in the menu in hoary
[03:25] <shushi2005> ewhitten, I don't know. how do I check?
[03:25] <geppy> oMega505:  the command-line is fun!
[03:25] <andrewski> oMega505: it happens; not all are up to freedesktop.org specs. :)
[03:25] <ewhitten> shushi2005:  iwconfig
[03:25] <oMega505> lol
[03:25] <ewhitten> see if it has anything filled in for essid
[03:25] <shushi2005> ewhitten, when I run that it says no interfaces found
[03:26] <geppy> andrewski:  I take it mpd probably lacks JACK support?
[03:26] <andrewski> geppy: i dunno, i only use mp3s.
[03:26] <ewhitten> shushi2005:  how did you install your drivers?
[03:26] <oMega505> hehe tux racer is funny
[03:26] <geppy> andrewski:  Not a format; JACK is a low-latency sound server.
[03:26] <andrewski> oMega505: yeah, lol.
[03:26] <bitfoo> whats the link command
[03:27] <bitfoo> to make a command work anywhere in the shell?
[03:27] <geppy> bitfoo:  It's like a shorcut, but cooler.
[03:27] <geppy> bitfoo:  alias?
[03:27] <bitfoo> its ln or something?
[03:27] <shushi2005> ewitten, well, i did modprobe orinoco_cs because the card was not detected in installation
[03:27] <bitfoo> maybe alias
[03:27] <bitfoo> i dunno :|
[03:27] <shushi2005> ewhitten, but that didn't work
[03:27] <bitfoo> i want a program that i run in a folder to be able to be exectuted anywhere
[03:27] <andrewski> geppy: oh.  no, it uses its own daemon that you can run as a boot service.  it's independent of any session, so you can keep playing music if you exit X.  it has frontends to interface with it (GUI, command line, curses)... ausgezeichnet.
[03:28] <geppy> andrewski:  Ah, alright.  Cool.
[03:28] <shushi2005> ewhitten, I even tried ndiswrapper with the windows drivers,
[03:28] <blahrus> andrewski: does you bar at the bottom, not expand the bars along the area?
[03:28] <andrewski> geppy: and it's in hoary; dunno about warty....
[03:28] <andrewski> blahrus: huh?
[03:28] <hendsp> bitfoo: alias command='/path/to/executable' put that in .bashrc
[03:28] <ewhitten> shushi2005:  check your dmesg output
[03:28] <blahrus> let me show you
[03:28] <andrewski> blahrus: i don't know what you're talking about....
[03:29] <bitfoo> anywhere in that file?
[03:29] <hendsp> bitfoo: anywhere uncommented, yeah
[03:30] <geppy> ARGH
[03:30] <blahrus> andrewski: http://img203.exs.cx/img203/6550/screenshot9gx.jpg
[03:30] <geppy> SAT scores won't be available until 6:00 AM.
[03:30] <shushi2005> ewhitten, what am I looking for?
[03:30] <blahrus> andrewski: does that the whole time
[03:30] <ewhitten> dmesg | grep orinoco_cs might be better
[03:30] <geppy> blahrus:  That is quite obnoxious.
[03:30] <oMega505> what is supposed to go into /dev/sequencer ?
[03:30] <ewhitten> any errors from when you modprobe'd the card.
[03:30] <ewhitten> but if both lights are on, that's probably a good start.
[03:30] <andrewski> blahrus: dunno, i'm in xfce.
[03:31] <shushi2005> ewhitten, i get nothing...
[03:31] <andrewski> blahrus: but yeah, i've noticed that, just don't know why.
[03:31] <blahrus> andrewski: oh well
[03:31] <bitfoo> hendsp, what if the program has to be run like this: ./program
[03:31] <shushi2005> ewhitten, I just did modprobe orinoco_cs and got output regarding the driver
[03:31] <hendsp> bitfoo: shouldn't matter if you give the whole path from /
[03:32] <ewhitten> okay, what's the ouput?
[03:32] <bitfoo> hmm..
[03:32] <ewhitten> output, even.
[03:32] <shushi2005> ewhitten, orinoco_cs.c 0.13e (<names>)
[03:32] <ewhitten> if it wasn't detected, you may have to be at least alias it in your module settings.
[03:32] <ewhitten> hmm. did the lights on the card come on when modprobe'd it?
[03:33] <shushi2005> ewhitten, they were already on, both of them solidy (as in not blinking)
[03:33] <froust> i find some of the fonts in x to be hard to read - has anyone done much tweaking with them (types of font and the smoothing?)
[03:34] <geppy> In GAIM, the tabs can be easily rearranged.  Is it possible to add support for this in things like Firefox?
[03:34] <ewhitten> hm.  do they stay on when you remove the driver?
[03:34] <shushi2005> ewhitten, how do I remove the driver?
[03:34] <jdub> geppy: there's a firefox extension that lets you do that
[03:34] <ewhitten> modprobe -r orinoco_cs
[03:34] <geppy> jdub:  Ooh, much thanks.
[03:34] <jdub> geppy: i hear the next release will provide it, too
[03:35] <geppy> jdub:  Fantastic!  =)
[03:35] <jdub> (er, i mean, of firefox, not that ubuntu will have that extension)
[03:35] <shushi2005> ewhitten, I did modprobe -r orinoco_cs, the lights stayed on and I still get dmesg output for that driver
[03:35] <geppy> jdub:  Right.  =)
[03:35] <ewhitten> hmm.
[03:37] <geppy> jdub:  What is the name of the extension?
[03:37] <wasabi> Hoary trouble. I'm unable to plug in another SATA hd into my system, because it renumbers my current sda
[03:37] <wasabi> and fstab and grub are all set to use that
[03:37] <wasabi> Basically, im using a hotswap sata drive
[03:37] <wasabi> I can't have these things reordering themselves all the time. =/
[03:38] <jdub> geppy: no idea; i think there are a few
[03:38] <geppy> jdub:  Alright, I'll google.
[03:38] <wasabi> any clues how to manage or prevent this?
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> wasabi: if you're using pmount
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> it will name the mount point automagically after the name
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> so it will mount at the same point all the time
[03:39] <wasabi> well, it's not.
[03:39] <wasabi> how does pmount work?
[03:39] <wasabi> see, grub passes root=/dev/sda3 to my system. But when I plug in this otehr drive... it becomes sda, and my other becomes sdb.
[03:39] <wasabi> So grub is messed up.
[03:40] <wasabi> not to mentioon fstab
[03:40] <Maxzorin123> how do I get transparent menus in Gnome?
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> wasabi: ahr
[03:40] <ewhitten> shushi:  is this a 16-bit or a cardbus card?
[03:40] <andrewski> Maxzorin123: in hoary.
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> wasabi: pmount won't fix that
[03:40] <shock> hrm... now how do I get keyboard illumination on a powerbook going?
[03:40] <neom> Does anyone elses mouse periodicly just... *die*?
[03:40] <shock> *searches*
[03:40] <wasabi> well...what am i suppose to do about it? works fine in windows.
[03:41] <wasabi> worked fine in warty too...
[03:41] <wasabi> for some reason it didn't reorder the drives
[03:41] <neom> Mine keeps not responding and I have to unplug it and plug it in.
[03:41] <jba> is there a way to auto identify on freenode with xchat ?
[03:42] <shushi2005> ewhitten, how do I check?
[03:42] <Maxzorin123> yeah
[03:42] <Maxzorin123> type
[03:42] <Maxzorin123>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
[03:42] <ewhitten> shushi2005:  lsmod | grep yenta_socket
[03:43] <Maxzorin123> that works for me
[03:43] <andrewski> jba: which version are you in?
[03:43] <ewhitten> if that produces output, I think you have cardbus.
[03:43] <Maxzorin123> 2.4.1
[03:43] <ewhitten> the underside of the card might say it as well.
[03:43] <jba> 2.0.6b
[03:43] <jba> windows
[03:43] <shock> jba: xchat->serverlist->freenode
[03:43] <andrewski> jba: if you upgrade to 2.4.x, you can automatically do Maxzorin123's suggestion in the configuration.
[03:43] <Maxzorin123> yep
[03:43] <shock> and place in connect command that line
[03:43] <shock> without the /
[03:44] <shock> done
[03:44] <andrewski> jba: be aware that your nickserv password is in plain view there...
[03:44] <andrewski> jba: thusly why i suggest you upgrade.
[03:44] <ewhitten> shushi2005: there are apparently two different versions of this card.  One is Orinoco-based, the other is acx100
[03:44] <jba> andrewski, i don't get what the benefit of the upgrade is ?
[03:44] <shock> well... since its not encrypted chat... i guess its rather in plain view everytime you auth ;)
[03:45] <shushi2005> ewhitten, I don't see it on the card but I get: yenta_socket  19328  1 and pcmcia_core  63156  ds,yenta_socket  as output
[03:45] <jba> shock, exactly
[03:45] <hendsp> how stable is today's hoary gnome?
[03:45] <shushi2005> ewhitten, hmm
[03:45] <jba> hendsp, i use it  to develop mono stuff as my full time os
[03:45] <ewhitten> hendsp:  I've been running it, updated almost daily, for a couple weeks now.
[03:46] <hendsp> jba, ewhitten: so it's stable enough for every day now? i tried it a couple of weeks ago and i was having to kill esd all the time
[03:47] <jba> i don't use much sound actually, and just got totem to use alsa through esd properly yesterday
[03:47] <hendsp> and when using text beside icons in nautilus, the icons we're going off the left of the window
[03:47] <jba> but yeah, haven't had it crash yet
[03:47] <ewhitten> I haven't had any problems
[03:47] <hendsp> cool
[03:47] <hendsp> is the bug with nautilus text beside icons still there?
[03:47] <hendsp> i like that layout, but it got on my nerves :)
[03:48] <shushi2005> ewhitten, my card doesn't have a gold strip on it, according to the acx100 project site that means that it is orinoco based
[03:48] <ewhitten> hendsp:  I'm staring at my desktop, looks fine to me.
[03:48] <ewhitten> shushi2005: okay, just checking.
[03:48] <hendsp> ewhitten: ok, thanks. i'll upgrade now then
[03:49] <ewhitten> shushi2005: could you pop the card out, then back in, see what dmesg gives you for output?
[03:49] <shock> wheee.... keyboard lights functioning :D
[03:49] <shock> lol
[03:49] <shock> nice
[03:49] <ewhitten> shock:  nice.
[03:49] <shock> now i have x-messtree feeling
[03:49] <ewhitten> what did you have to do?
[03:49] <shock> modprobe i2c-dev
[03:50] <ewhitten> ahhh.
[03:50] <shock> /etc/init.d/pbbuttonsd restart
[03:50] <kirt> Can someone tell me if there's a way to just reinstall grub from the warty installation CD?
[03:50] <shock> then only some adjusting via powerprefs - i need the f8 key for something else *g*
[03:50] <andrewski> alright, i'm off y'all... goodnight!
[03:50] <shock> n8
[03:50] <ewhitten> I'm thinking about getting a powerbook.  nice to know I can dual-boot well if I need to. :)
[03:50] <shushi2005> ewhitten, dmesg gives me both orinoco.c and orinoco_cs.c no matter if the card is in or out
[03:51] <shock> jep  powerbook here
[03:51] <shock> and the only things that wont work right now are DRI and airport extreme
[03:51] <ewhitten> shock:  do those things actually work in linux?
[03:51] <shock> what things?
[03:51] <ewhitten> DRI/ airport extreme
[03:52] <shock> airport extreme and DRI wont right now
[03:52] <fixer> why cant my new user sudo?
[03:52] <shock> DRI might be in near future... who knows and extreme... well... I dont expect this to work soon
[03:52] <ewhitten> fixer:  by default, only the first user created as access
[03:52] <shock> fixer - not in sudoers?
[03:52] <ewhitten> has access, I mean.
[03:52] <fixer> cuz i deleted my old one that could
[03:52] <fixer> oh shitty!!!
[03:53] <fixer> i locked my self outta my system!?!
[03:53] <fixer> fuck
[03:53] <fixer> christ lord what do i do?!!?!!?
[03:53] <bitfoo> oopsies :X
[03:53] <shock> lol... ermm... boot into single user mode
[03:53] <geppy> fixer: Knoppix
[03:53] <fixer> this is bad
[03:53] <shock> ?
[03:53] <fixer> how do i get into single user mode?
[03:53] <ewhitten> but take a deep breath first.
[03:54] <ewhitten> fixer:  append "single" to your boot line in grub
[03:54] <fixer> yeah. sorry bout that
[03:54] <shushi2005> ewhitten, dmesg gives me both orinoco.c and orinoco_cs.c no matter if the card is in or out
[03:54] <ewhitten> shushi2005:  I saw it the first time, I'm trying to think of something else.
[03:54] <fixer> ok ill try this appendix thing =o)
[03:55] <fixer> thanks guys
[03:55] <shushi2005> ewhitten, I apologize,
[03:55] <fixer> sorry bout all that language, i have lots of important stuff i thought i lost there fer a minute
[03:55] <fixer> =o)
[03:55] <shock> damn! ITS 4:00 !!! argh... I need to be at university @ 10:00 !
[03:55] <shock> *cough*
[03:55] <shock> n8 all
[03:55] <shock> damn backlit keys *g*
[03:56] <ewhitten> it's 22:00 here
[03:56] <shock> bremen, germany -
[03:56] <shock> *sigh*
[03:56] <Phreakazoid> hm 14:00 here
[03:56] <Phreakazoid> :P
[03:56] <shock> wow - international
[03:56] <shock> where are u guys?
[03:56] <ewhitten> cambridge/boston
[03:56] <geppy> Arlington, Texas, US
[03:56] <Phreakazoid> Sydney, Australia
[03:57] <shushi2005> columbia, mo
[03:57] <zenrox> washington state
[03:57] <zenrox> us
[03:57] <ewhitten> want to know something funny?  All those ximian/novell/mono guys live like 2 miles away from here.
[03:57] <geppy> haha
[03:58] <ohgood> ewhitten: you gotta kewl lug then ?
[03:58] <geppy> That's pretty cool.  =)
[03:58] <ewhitten> ohgood:  I haven't really been to any of the lug stuff, and I'm moving to philadelphia in a few months. :(
[03:58] <zenrox> i need to set up a lug here
[03:58] <Phreakazoid> I should goto slug sometime
[03:58] <LinuxJones> Phreakazoid, you guys have had major flooding down there eh ?
[03:58] <Phreakazoid> um
[03:58] <Phreakazoid> not really
[03:58] <Phreakazoid> there was torrential rain for two days
[03:58] <Phreakazoid> its melbourne where there was flooding
[03:58] <LinuxJones> ahh
[03:59] <jba> melbourne is getting it bad atm
[03:59] <shushi2005> ewhitten, no drivers for the card a loaded on startup
[03:59] <Phreakazoid> they had the most flooding in a 24 hour period since records began
[03:59] <Phreakazoid> er
[03:59] <Phreakazoid> most rainfall rather
[03:59] <jba> Phreakazoid, we had some massive tenis ball sized hail stones two days ago though
[03:59] <LinuxJones> It was on the news, it looked horrible
[03:59] <Phreakazoid> I saw no hail stones
[03:59] <ewhitten> shushi2005:  I'm trying to find where this module could be aliased to your eth device in ubuntu
[03:59] <jba> Phreakazoid, few and far between, but massive ones, out ryde / parra way
[03:59] <Phreakazoid> I just saw a bunch of heavy rain and thunder and lightning for 2 days
[03:59] <shock> ok im off
[03:59] <shock> sleep mode
[03:59] <Phreakazoid> with sunshine and 35C temp in the middle
[04:00] <jba> Phreakazoid, what area were you in?
[04:00] <shushi2005> ewhitten, it is cardbus, as told by dmesg
[04:00] <Phreakazoid> Upper North Shore
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[04:00] <jba> i work in frenchs forest
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> we had massive flooding all over the city
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> it was fun
[04:00] <jba> it was funny cause the gnome weather applet was saying hail storms for like 5 hours before the storm actually hit my place
[04:00] <shushi2005> ewhitten, you mean the /etc/modules.d/aliases file?
[04:00] <Phreakazoid> the gnome weather applet is never correct it seems
[04:00] <tsm2004beta> Hello, I'm trying to install LimeWire for linux, and it says that "No Java virtual machine could be found from your PATH
[04:00] <tsm2004beta> environment variable.  You must install a VM prior to
[04:00] <tsm2004beta> running this program.". I just installed the jre1.5.0_01 plug in into Mozilla... what else do I have to do?
[04:00] <Phreakazoid> especially on hot days with easterly winds
[04:01] <Phreakazoid> the gnome weather applet will say its like 10 degrees cooler than it is here
[04:01] <ohgood> Phreakazoid: maybe your sensor is in an odd location ?
[04:01] <Phreakazoid> no
[04:01] <jba> nah, it's just that syndey is a large city
[04:01] <Phreakazoid> its to do with the geography of sydney
[04:01] <ohgood> aye
[04:01] <ewhitten> shushi2005:  I have /etc/modprobe.d/aliases and /etc/modutils/aliases
[04:01] <Phreakazoid> sydney has the largest suburban area in the entire world, apparently
[04:01] <jba> didn't know that
[04:01] <shushi2005> ewhitten, okay
[04:02] <jba> i quite like syney suburb layout
[04:02] <Phreakazoid> the asian cities aren't considered to be suburban though
[04:02] <shushi2005> ewhitten, is there anything in particular that I could look for in those files?
[04:02] <ohgood> Phreakazoid: what's the population there ?
[04:02] <Phreakazoid> 4.5 million I think
[04:02] <ohgood> hmm
[04:03] <raydogg_> i wish ms visio ran on *nix :-)
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> Phreakazoid: probably closely followed by melbourne
[04:03] <TheMuso> Nice to see a fellow sydneysider in here. Besides jdub. :)
[04:03] <ewhitten> shushi2005:  well, it's more about what's missing, I think
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> given that people keep building stupid housting estates further and further out
[04:03] <Phreakazoid> yeah melb is about 500k behind
[04:04] <Phreakazoid> I think
[04:04] <wasabi> some of this stuff in fstab should just be done automatically... like automatically mounting every swap partition found.
[04:04] <blahrus> anyone know how to setup player to use alsa
[04:04] <shushi2005> ewhitten, oh, okay
[04:04] <blahrus> [AO OSS]  audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[04:04] <tsm2004beta> "No Java virtual machine could be found from your PATH environment variable. You must installa VM prior to running this program." Anyone had this? I just installed jre1.5.0_01 plug-in for Mozilla, but that didn't help.... any suggestions?
[04:04] <ohgood> hmm, australia has about 31M folks, surprise surprise
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> blahrus: killall esd
[04:04] <wasabi> tsm2004beta: what gave you that?
[04:05] <ohgood> whereas, 3billion asians can't be wrong...
[04:05] <tsm2004beta> wasabi: the installation of LimeWire
[04:05] <Phreakazoid> The metropolitan area (Sydney Statistical Division) has 12,145 sq km, but much of this area is national park and other wilderness.
[04:05] <wasabi> LimeWare... doesn't have anything to do with a browser plugin.
[04:05] <Phreakazoid> pretty big
[04:05] <Phreakazoid> :P
[04:05] <blahrus> HrdwrBoB: I see that I killeed esd but what did I do :)
[04:05] <ohgood> tsm2004beta: you need java stuffs, limewire's site should point you to the exact stuffs.
[04:05] <neom> How so I add a cron job?
[04:05] <neom> *do
[04:05] <wasabi> tsm2004beta: there should be info about using "java-package" to install a JVM
[04:06] <wasabi> On the wiki
[04:06] <ohgood> Phreakazoid: here, interesting: http://worldatlas.com/geoquiz/thelist.htm
[04:06] <tsm2004beta> ohgood: I'll take another look..
[04:06] <blahrus> HrdwrBoB: new error Couldn't open /dev/3dfx
[04:06] <blahrus> ???
[04:06] <jbailey> neom: crontab is your friend.
[04:06] <tsm2004beta> wasabi: thanks.
[04:06] <Phreakazoid> Sydney's urban area of 1,687 sq km is similar in size to Greater London, but has half that city's population.
[04:06] <Phreakazoid> heh
[04:07] <neom> jbailey - I'm not just sure how to make it run every 5 mins.
[04:08] <ohgood> i'll just tar up this installs' / as soon as it finishes, and give it a real hdb to play on..
[04:08] <ewhitten> shushi2005:  /etc/pcmica/config.opts might be a good place to look at.
[04:08] <pepperpot> is it possible to set a keyboard shortcut to run a script?
[04:08] <blahrus> anyone else had any luck on mplayer with hoary
[04:08] <shushi2005> ewhitten, ok
[04:09] <ohgood> blahrus: what's giving your trouble ? (i'm about to try it)
[04:09] <jbailey> neom: */5 * * * * COMMAND
[04:09] <jbailey> neom: "man 5 crontab" if you'd like to see a pile of examples.
[04:10] <blahrus> ohgood:
[04:10] <blahrus> Couldn't open /dev/3dfx
[04:10] <blahrus> '
[04:11] <Maragato> Can someone please give some help with a symlink for mozilla plugins and gxine?
[04:12] <blahrus> ohgood: I think its working fine now, had 1 borken package, that was beep-media player
[04:12] <blahrus> now its all works . . .
[04:12] <blahrus> HrdwrBoB: what was esd?
[04:13] <ohgood> kewl
[04:14] <geppy> I switched to the Spanish keyboard layout to make typing accented characters easier... but my dead keys arent working.
[04:14] <geppy> Im getting these 
[04:14] <geppy> Sorry about my lack of punctuation, I havent quite figured this out, yet.
[04:14] <HrdwrBoB> blahrus: esd is the 'sound server'
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> blahrus: it can allow multiple apps to play sound at once
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> however while doing so it uses the sound device
[04:15] <Crane> hello all
[04:15] <ewhitten> Crane:  yo.
[04:15] <Crane> hello :)
[04:15] <blahrus> HrdwrBoB: hum . . . I have never ever been able to get two appz to use sound at the same time
[04:16] <Maragato> Can someone please give some help with a symlink for mozilla plugins and gxine?
[04:16] <Crane> Sorry I left so abruptly earlier, lost internet
[04:16] <Crane> connection
[04:17] <Crane> Maragato, what do youneed to symlink
[04:18] <Maragato> Crane: xine with mozilla plugins
[04:19] <Maragato> when I watch video it is boring cause I have to open xine apart then insert the url and by some reason this buffer system is kinda wierd I cant watch the whole video at once
[04:21] <Crane> Hmm have you found a how to? that said it needed symlinks
[04:21] <Crane> or is it a plug in
[04:22] <Maragato> Crane: it says I need a symlink but doesnt says how to do it
[04:22] <Maragato> Crane: http://www.flogao.com.br/laguna
[04:23] <nickole> Hi. Nicole here. I'm having a problem loading haboo,
[04:23] <Maragato> Crane: SORRY WRONG LINK
[04:23] <nickole> in my browser
[04:23] <Crane> lol
[04:23] <Maragato> Crane: http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html#mplayer
[04:23] <nickole> whats so funy??????????
[04:23] <LinuxJones> night all, sleepy time
[04:24] <jba> i installed the w32codecs and gstreamer0.8-plugins, but am still hacing trouble getting totem to work on some mpgs and avis
[04:24] <Maragato> Crane: this fotolog is from a friend of mine I havent even checked it before thx god there wasnt any pic of him naked or stuff
[04:24] <geppy> jba:  totem sucks.
[04:24] <geppy> jba: gxine
[04:24] <jba> don't like xine or mplayer, they don't really fit into gnome
[04:25] <hendsp> why does everyone hate totem? i think it's ace
[04:25] <nickole> how can u help me
[04:25] <jba> besides gstreamer is the future of gnome multimedia, so I'd like to get that working right
[04:25] <geppy> jba:  I'm sorry.
[04:25] <geppy> hendsp:  It sucks with proprietary formats, thus... it is useless.
[04:25] <Crane> Maragato, which pluggin were you trying to install
[04:26] <mebaran151_> Hey
[04:26] <geppy> hendsp:  Not to mention, ALSA and JACK are both broken for it.
[04:26] <Crane> mplayer?
[04:26] <mebaran151_> anybody know a good html editor
[04:26] <geppy> mebaran151_:  vim
[04:26] <mebaran151_> well I use vim
[04:26] <geppy> oh
[04:26] <mebaran151_> something a bit more .. automated
[04:26] <Crane> I don't see a xine pluggin on that page
[04:26] <hendsp> geppy: totem-xine works perfectly on anything i've thrown at it. and my sound card uses alsa
[04:26] <geppy> mebaran151_:  gedit?
[04:26] <jba> mebaran151_, as a generall code editor jedit is pretty good, or use Nvu specifically for html editing
[04:26] <geppy> hendsp:  Are you sure it's not using OSS? You can use either one, you know.
[04:27] <jba> hendsp, totem-xine defeats the purpos of totem, gstreamer backend
[04:27] <geppy> hendsp:  Using totem-xine kind of defeats the purpose of totem, no?
[04:27] <mebaran151_> I would like something a bit more like quanta
[04:27] <jba> greppy personal jinx
[04:27] <hendsp> geppy: totem is the front end, not the framework, so not really
[04:27] <mebaran151_> I used to use quanta for the longest time
[04:27] <geppy> jba:  haha
[04:27] <mebaran151_> and I liked it
[04:27] <Maragato> Crane: mplayer
[04:27] <geppy> hendsp:  ?
[04:27] <jba> hendsp, try Nvu
[04:27] <mebaran151_> but quanta is pretty kde centric
[04:28] <geppy> hendsp:  I don't think that you're understanding the point.
[04:28] <jba> hendsp, if you have java jedit can do html completion with some plugins
[04:28] <geppy> hendsp:  If you use xine, you aren't using gstreamer.
[04:28] <geppy> hendsp:  That takes away the purpose of using totem.
[04:28] <hendsp> geppy: totem performs the same actions that a xine player does
[04:28] <jba> sorry my last two points were for mebaran151_
[04:28] <mebaran151_> yeah
[04:28] <mebaran151_> I realized that after a second
[04:28] <geppy> hendsp:  Then what was that crap about 'gstreamer is the future of gnome multimedia, so I'd like to get that working right'
[04:29] <geppy> hendsp:  You _aren't_ using gstreamer.
[04:29] <hendsp> geppy: not my quote :)
[04:29] <Guardiann> jba did you get iy working?
[04:29] <geppy> hendsp:  oh
[04:29] <geppy> hendsp:  Sorry.
[04:29] <blahrus> gstreamer does not work.
[04:29] <geppy> blahrus:  This is true.
[04:29] <WiseElben> geppy: which comes out tomorrow, doesn't it. =)
[04:29] <Crane> Maragato, I still don't see where it calls for symlink, but I may just be overlooking it
[04:30] <hendsp> blahrus: why doesn't gstreamer work?
[04:30] <Crane> I'll look again
[04:30] <geppy> Where can I get a xine plugin for mozilla?
[04:30] <oomf> YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[04:30] <blahrus> hendsp: just never had luck with it
[04:30] <oomf> i need help
[04:30] <oomf> installing ubuntu
[04:30] <oomf> who wants to help
[04:30] <hendsp> ah right
[04:30] <blahrus> hendsp: never gotten xvid/mp3 to work
[04:31] <geppy> oomf:  Probably nobody, if you're not going to be more specific.
[04:31] <oomf> ok wel
[04:31] <oomf> lets see
[04:31] <hendsp> blahrus: xvid, i'm not sure about. mp3 just needs the gstreamer-mad plugin
[04:31] <oomf> i need to partition my hd now
[04:31] <oomf> so
[04:31] <oomf> what should i do
[04:31] <oomf> ill get specific
[04:31] <mebaran151_> is Nvu like quanta
[04:31] <mebaran151_> ?
[04:31] <oomf> who wants to help
[04:31] <geppy> oomf: PartitionMagic?
[04:31] <shushi2005> ewhitten, is there anything I can do to work on this, I have googled it and didn't get anywhere.
[04:31] <Crane> Maragato, Is this the line you are refering to
[04:31] <oomf> yes
[04:31] <Crane>    4. Copy mplayerplug-in.so to your Mozilla plugins folder, and mplayerplug-in.xpt to your Mozilla components folder.
[04:31] <Crane> Note:
[04:31] <oomf> geppy:yes
[04:31] <geppy> oomf:  Use less, more thought-out comments.
[04:31] <Amaranth> blahrus: Enable universe then install gstreamer-plugins
[04:31] <geppy> oomf:  What's stopping you?
[04:32] <Amaranth> it'll get them all
[04:32] <WiseElben> what's the minimum requirments for ubuntu? I'm gonna install it on my old comp
[04:32] <forcotton> Nvu is trying to be like dreamweaver
[04:32] <shushi2005> ewhitten, do you think it is a lost cause?
[04:32] <Maragato> Crane: oki so it is a copy paste job
[04:32] <Crane> :)
[04:33] <Maragato> Crane: is mplayer = to xine?
[04:33] <Crane> I believe the files it's talking about pasting to is /home/your_file/.mozilla
[04:33] <Crane> no
[04:33] <geppy> Maragato: XINE > Mplayer
[04:33] <Crane> lol
[04:33] <jba> Guardiann, almost, it plays with bluescreen and no sound
[04:34] <Maragato> Crane: I have xine
[04:34] <Maragato> Crane: BUT i cant find its how to
[04:34] <Crane> I don't know about a mozilla pluggin for xine
[04:34] <blahrus> Amaranth: giving it a try
[04:34] <mebaran151_> ok
[04:34] <Guardiann> jba adding this may help avfile-win32-plugin
[04:34] <geppy> I'm wondering if I should just use the kaffeine plugin for xine-mplayer.
[04:34] <geppy> erm...
[04:34] <geppy> xine-mozilla
[04:34] <jba> i added w32codecs and the gstreamer plugins, what does that do?
[04:35] <Guardiann> Win32 audio/video plugin for libavifile
[04:35] <Guardiann> Plugin for using Win32 DLL libraries (codecs) in avifile.
[04:35] <Guardiann> Default location for them is /usr/lib/win32.
[04:35] <tsm2004beta> I'm getting an error while installing LimeWire, reporting that I don't have a Java VM installed, while I installed JRE1.5.0_01 just recently..
[04:36] <geppy> jba:  It means you need XINE.
[04:36] <jba> Guardiann, i mostly followed the ubunuguide.org which is targeted at warty
[04:36] <blahrus> Amaranth: Could not open resource for writing.
[04:36] <WiseElben> what's the minimum requirments for ubuntu? I'm gonna install it on my old comp
[04:36] <zenrox> tsm2004beta,  didja follow www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:36] <blahrus> Amaranth: why would it do that?
[04:36] <jba> geppy, i'm patient enough to wait for gstreamer to catch up dude
[04:36] <geppy> jba:  That doesn't mean that you shouldn't use something that works in the meantime.
[04:36] <jba> i use linux to hack mostly, and only rarely need it for multimedia
[04:36] <jba> besides for music i just use my ipod
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:37] <geppy> jba:  Even when you're at your computer?
[04:37] <nomasteryoda> tell that to bull gates.. hehe
[04:37] <tsm2004beta> zenrox, Yes, and they said that the Java 1.5 vm was all in repos, though I installed everything I could find...
[04:37] <jba> yeah, i have a itrip, just run it through my home stereo
[04:37] <jba> saves my cpu cycles for eye candy and compiling ;)
[04:37] <zenrox> tsm2004beta,  then the javavm variable wasnt set up right
[04:38] <zenrox> tsm2004beta,  follow whats on the guide very closely and it should work
[04:38] <tsm2004beta> I did a symbolic link into the mozilla plug-in folders, put my java folder in my usr directory... I don't know..
[04:39] <zenrox> tsm2004beta,  hmmm
[04:39] <zenrox> thats odd
[04:39] <tsm2004beta> I followed the wiki guide, the sun java guide.
[04:39] <zenrox> tsm2004beta,  can you do a java -version
[04:40] <zenrox> www.ubuntuguide.org ant wiki
[04:40] <Maragato> tsm2004beta: forget about sun use Ubuntu HOWTO
[04:40] <Maragato> tsm2004beta: lemme find you the link
[04:41] <zenrox> Maragato,  www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:41] <mebaran151_> is nvu in the repos
[04:41] <mebaran151_> I did a quick search and it didnt exist
[04:41] <zenrox> mebaran151_, you have all the repos enabled
[04:42] <Maragato> zenrox: thx by the link
[04:42] <tsm2004beta> I don't see any howtos on Ubuntu on the java machine.
[04:43] <Crane> Maragato,
[04:43] <tsm2004beta> Ah, found something.
[04:43] <zenrox> ya read www.ubuntuguide.org tsm2004beta  for all sorts of stuff
[04:43] <zenrox> + java
[04:43] <blahrus> tsm2004beta: it right under mplayer stuff
[04:44] <mebaran151_> zenrox, yep
[04:44] <Crane> Maragato, the only thing I could come up with is maybe installin gxine and it's browser pluggin
[04:44] <mebaran151_> I think so
[04:44] <Crane> http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html#gxine
[04:46] <tsm2004beta> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15 This provides some steps, but I cant edit my sources.list
[04:46] <Maragato> Crane: I have gxine but I dont know how to make this lonks
[04:46] <blahrus> totem is giving me the error "Could not open resource for writing." anyone seen this before?
[04:46] <bosewicht> i have been trying to get apache working all day. it keeps going back to the placeholder page rather than public_html...and mod_userdir.c throws an error
[04:47] <Maragato> tsm2004beta: try as root
[04:47] <zenrox> tsm2004beta,  are you putting sudo in frount of the command on the wiki
[04:47] <jba> blahrus, are you using alsa as your sound card ?
[04:47] <jba> and do you have esd configured properly?
[04:47] <Maragato> sudo vim sources.list
[04:47] <tsm2004beta> Thought I was... ugfuh.. nope, guess I accidently closed out and forgot to put it back.
[04:47] <zenrox> or sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:48] <jba> if so then get totem to use esd as the sound sink and inut, so that esound can do the software mixing
[04:48] <blahrus> jba: yea
[04:48] <blahrus> jba: where do I change this?
[04:48] <bosewicht> apache is really making me mad here
[04:49] <zenrox> bosewicht,  thats what apache is all about
[04:49] <zenrox> lol
[04:49] <Crane> Maragato, sorry I got distracted
[04:49] <Crane> :)
[04:49] <blahrus> jba: you around?
[04:50] <Crane> do I search for tese files
[04:50] <Crane> gxineplugin.a gxineplugin.la gxineplugin.so.
[04:50] <mebaran151_> is it called something different
[04:50] <mebaran151_> nvu
[04:50] <Croccifixio> omgomgomgomg wheres eyequeue!?
[04:50] <jba> blahrus, yeah sorry working
[04:50] <mebaran151_> I have the universe and multiverse enabled
[04:50] <Croccifixio> anybody experienced with vsftpd?
[04:50] <mebaran151_> but nvu returns not results when I search it out
[04:51] <tsm2004beta> Alright, when I try to download the update, it says I cannot because of unmet dependecies... and it says it demands: java2-common but it is not installable
[04:51] <jba> in the preferences->multimedia settings menu
[04:51] <Crane> then in terminal window cd /home/your_home/.mozilla/pluggins
[04:51] <jba> something like that blahrus
[04:51] <blahrus> jba: if stoped esd how do restart it?
[04:52] <jba> preferences->sound->enable sound server
[04:52] <zenrox> ya
[04:52] <Maragato> Crane: copy & paste them?
[04:52] <jba> mebaran151_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3307060179
[04:53] <Crane> no
[04:53] <Crane> after you cd to the directory
[04:53] <Crane> create a link
[04:53] <jba> seriously some of you guys need to learn to google better
[04:53] <andreasvc> will hoary have a GUI for burning audio CDs?
[04:53] <Crane> ln -s /place/where/file/is
[04:53] <Maragato> Crane: I know it is something like sl -l path
[04:53] <bosewicht> lol
[04:53] <blahrus> jba: sound works, now video
[04:54] <Croccifixio> anybody experienced with vsftpd?
[04:54] <bosewicht> yes
[04:54] <Amaranth> andreasvc: I think everyone was hoping Rhythmbox would be the answer but they didn't want to be included in GNOME 2.10 because it wasn't believe they could stablize it in time.
[04:54] <Crane> ln <---- link command -s
[04:54] <Crane> -s<--- soft link
[04:54] <mlambie> i remember hearing that there is going to be another ubuntu conference in Canberra around the time of linux.conf.au this year (April). Does anyone have any details?
[04:54] <jba> blahrus, ubuntuguide.org is how i found out what to do to try and get totem to play win32 codecs
[04:54] <jba> go there
[04:55] <blahrus> jba: xvid and mp3 are not win32 codecs though
[04:55] <Maragato> Crane: in wich foulder should I do it?
[04:55] <jba> google ubuntulinux.org there is a page on restricted formats
[04:55] <jba> that should tell you how to get those going
[04:55] <Crane> .mozilla/pluggins
[04:56] <andreasvc> is there also chatting in this room? problems are boring :P
[04:56] <Crane>  </home/your_home/.mozilla/pluggins
[04:56] <zenrox> andreasvc, got to #ubutnufourms
[04:56] <andreasvc> :P
[04:56] <zenrox> #ubuntuforums
[04:56] <bosewicht> i have edited every apache config file and i still get that damn placeholder page
[04:57] <andreasvc> and you issued a reload?
[04:57] <Crane> I believe that mozilla also has another pluggin folder you could create the links in so all users could use it
[04:57] <Crane> not sure where it's located though
[04:58] <bosewicht> there is a mozilla-plugins dir outside of the mozilla dir now i think
[04:58] <Maragato> Crane: user/share?
[04:58] <tritium> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[04:59] <oomf> I GOT A UBUNTU DISK PROBLEM ANYONE WANNA HELP
[04:59] <regeya_> gungh.
[04:59] <ewhitten> arrgh.
[04:59] <regeya_> you also have a capslock problem
[04:59] <ewhitten> disk = shift key?
[04:59] <oomf> yeh yeh
[04:59] <Crane> oomf stop yelling
[04:59] <regeya_> my ears MY EARS
[04:59] <Crane> lol
[04:59] <oomf> good one
[04:59] <Maragato> oomf: but Im using firefox
[04:59] <ewhitten> haha no mercy. :)
[05:00] <regeya_> oomf, how about not asking to ask your question and getting to the point
[05:00] <oomf> ok
[05:00] <regeya_> :-)
[05:00] <jba> Maragato, what does firefox do?
[05:00] <oomf> i partitioned the drive now when i rebooted
[05:00] <oomf> it says
[05:00] <Maragato> jba: it is a browser "new" mozilla
[05:00] <oomf> searching boot record from floppy..Not found
[05:00] <Maragato> Crane: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[05:00] <srid> I have lost systray in my Icewm. Do anyone know how to restore it back?
[05:00] <oomf> searching boot record from IDE-ok
[05:01] <jba> Maragato, never mind dude was asking with respect to oomf and his shouting
[05:01] <regeya> I have GOT to remember to kill my irc client at awork
[05:01] <jba> i know what firefox is dude
[05:01] <regeya> oomf: and...?
[05:01] <bosewicht> lol
[05:01] <oomf> what do i do next
[05:01] <oomf> its stuck there
[05:01] <regeya> um, did you do anything other than partitioning the disk?
[05:01] <oomf> yes
[05:01] <oomf> actully
[05:01] <oomf> no
[05:01] <oomf> lol
[05:01] <oomf> i partioned
[05:01] <oomf> for
[05:02] <oomf> a new OS
[05:02] <Crane> Maragato, yes
[05:02] <Crane> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[05:02] <oomf> then i put the CD in
[05:02] <regeya> so, let me see if I understand you correctly...you've partitioned your drive, nothing's happening, and you're wondering why nothing's happening? :-)
[05:02] <bosewicht> lmao
[05:02] <oomf> i partioned and said i'd load the OS after
[05:02] <oomf> and i put the cd ina nd ntohign happeneing
[05:03] <Crane> Maragato, you will need to use sudo command in that file i believe
[05:03] <ewhitten> is your bios set to boot from cd/dvd drive before disk?
[05:03] <Croccifixio> anybody experienced with vsftpd?
[05:03] <regeya> oomf: if you're using an x86 machine, you may need to set up your BIOS to boot from CD...how you do that, I don't know, bc I don't know anything about your PC :-D
[05:03] <Maragato> Crane: so ln -s /path of that files? I know I need root previlegies :)
[05:03] <regeya> ewhitten :-)
[05:03] <oomf> ok hmmm
[05:03] <oomf> lemme look
[05:03] <oomf> brb
[05:04] <srid> I have lost systray in my Icewm. Do anyone know how to restore it back?
[05:04] <Crane> yes cd /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins then use sudo ln -s path to files
[05:04] <Maragato> Crane: k lol I dont even remmember the files
[05:04] <Crane> :)
[05:05] <oomf> tring again
[05:05] <oomf> reversed the order
[05:05] <Crane> Maragato, you may want to cd /usr/lib/mozilla/pluggins as well
[05:05] <oomf> ok now it went to CD-rom to boot and didn't find anything
[05:05] <|QuaD-_> i have an interesting question.... i have a text file with a newline... i wnat to see the type of new line it is (like the ascii, is it \n) how would i do that?
[05:06] <ewhitten> oomf:  stupid question, but do you have your ubuntu cd in the drive?
[05:06] <oomf> lol yes
[05:06] <oomf> but i have a stupid question
[05:07] <Maragato> Crane: linked them all
[05:07] <Maragato> Crane: why do it also in mozilla?
[05:07] <gpled> any idea why eject will not eject the cdrom door?
[05:07] <ewhitten> oomf:  did you just burn the single iso file to the cd?
[05:07] <ewhitten> or did you burn the image so you have a directory structure on it?
[05:07] <oomf> yes
[05:08] <oomf> no
[05:08] <Phreakazoid> gpled, do you mean pressing the physical eject button, or ejecting from the icon on the desktop?
[05:08] <Maragato> Crane: root@isengard:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins # ls -s /usr/lib/gxine/gxineplugin.so
[05:08] <Maragato>   20 /usr/lib/gxine/gxineplugin.so
[05:08] <Maragato> Crane: sorry double post, but didnt work
[05:08] <ewhitten> oomf:  that .iso file is an image of a cd.  you need to burn it as such, and not just copying a single file to cd.
[05:09] <ewhitten> oomf:  use Alcohol 120% or Roxio in windows to burn it (i assume that's what you're in)
[05:09] <gpled> Phreakazoid: $eject  from console
[05:09] <jba> hey guys, is there a way to boot into a just installed ubuntu distro if you didn't install grub on the master boot record ? ?
[05:09] <Phreakazoid> gpled, it needs to be unmounted first
[05:09] <jba> so that i can peel the bootsector and use that with windows boot.ini to launch ubuntu
[05:09] <Maragato> jba: use grub or lilo from a floppy
[05:10] <Phreakazoid> gpled, try sudo umount /media/cdrom0
[05:10] <Phreakazoid> gpled, THEN eject
[05:10] <jba> Maragato, with fc, i just boot the fc install cd and type rescue
[05:10] <Maragato> jba: fc?
[05:10] <jba> it gives me a single user system which enables me top chroot to the new system and peel bootsector with dd
[05:10] <jba> fc == fedora core
[05:10] <gpled> Phreakazoid: that seems to do the trick :)
[05:10] <jba> just asking if there is a similar way with ubunty
[05:10] <ewhitten> woohoo, vmware 5 beta builds perfectly on ubuntu hoary :)
[05:10] <Phreakazoid> excellent
[05:11] <jba> for now i just booted knoppix and peeled the boot sector that way
[05:11] <jba> so does ubuntu have similar functionality ?
[05:11] <decklin> "peel"? is the windows boot loader incapable of simply handing off to another partition?
[05:12] <Crane> Maragato, didn't creat links or gxine not working in mozilla?
[05:12] <Crane> create
[05:13] <Maragato> Crane: create
[05:14] <Crane> try ls -s  /usr/lib/gxine/gxineplugin.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[05:15] <jba> decklin, i have not found any docs that say how to use windows boot loader with other partitions, other than to peel the first 512bytes of the bootsector and reference it from C:\boot.ini
[05:15] <jba> I would have just used GRUB, but this was an office and I couldn't afford to nuke the master boot record, as has been known to have happened with some buggy grub installers in the parts
[05:16] <jba> an office machine
[05:17] <oomf> ok
[05:17] <decklin> that sucks.
[05:17] <oomf> i need to know how to extract the ISo image from the ubuntu download so that it will boot how do i do that
[05:17] <oomf> or w/e it is that i need to do
[05:17] <ewhitten> oomf:  you don't extra the iso image.
[05:18] <ewhitten> what are you using to burn the cd?
[05:18] <Maragato> Crane: try ln -s :D
[05:18] <oomf> roxio
[05:18] <ewhitten> what version?
[05:18] <Crane> Maragato, sorry about that
[05:18] <Crane> Maragato, been a long day
[05:19] <oomf> 6
[05:19] <tuananh> hi all
[05:19] <Crane> hello
[05:19] <tuananh> just got Ubuntu up and running
[05:19] <Crane> congrats
[05:19] <tuananh> however, when I play CD
[05:19] <Maragato> Crane: done thx a lot :D
[05:19] <tuananh> I hear no sound
[05:19] <Crane> No problem, glad to help Maragato
[05:20] <tsm2004beta> I'm going crazy... I tried sun's guide to installing java VM 1.5... tried ubuntu's.. tried the wiki guide... nothing.
[05:20] <tuananh> but Gaim still sounds nice
[05:20] <oomf> ewhittn i make a bootable
[05:20] <oomf> cd
[05:20] <oomf> ?
[05:20] <ewhitten> oomf:  what happens when you double-click the iso file in windows?
[05:20] <oomf> hmmmmm
[05:20] <oomf> lets see'
[05:20] <Maragato> Crane: hum it doesnt works :D
[05:20] <kirt> tsm2004beta What about it isn't working?
[05:21] <oomf> ewhitten winace comes up
[05:21] <tsm2004beta> dpkg: error processing sun-j2re1.4.2 (--configure):
[05:21] <tsm2004beta>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:21] <tsm2004beta> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of java-ubuntu:
[05:21] <tsm2004beta>  java-ubuntu depends on java2-runtime; however:
[05:21] <tsm2004beta>   Package java2-runtime is not installed.
[05:21] <tsm2004beta>   Package sun-j2re1.4.2 which provides java2-runtime is not configured yet.
[05:21] <tsm2004beta>   Package sun-j2sdk1.5.0 which provides java2-runtime is not configured yet.
[05:21] <tsm2004beta> dpkg: error processing java-ubuntu (--configure):
[05:21] <tsm2004beta>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[05:21] <tsm2004beta> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:21] <tsm2004beta>  sun-j2sdk1.5.0
[05:21] <tsm2004beta>  sun-j2re1.4.2
[05:21] <tsm2004beta>  java-ubuntu
[05:22] <kirt> Err.. yea, i just got the installer from sun's site and installed that.
[05:22] <Maragato> Crane: but the links are green they are suposed to be oki
[05:22] <kirt> Had to setup some environment variables for it to work seamlessly but other than that i don't think it was a big deal
[05:22] <tsm2004beta> I downloaded it from the apt last time...
[05:22] <tsm2004beta> And it gave me that.
[05:22] <Crane> Maragato, just wondering did you restart your browser?
[05:22] <|QuaD-_> so no one knows how to figure out what type of newline i have in a text file?
[05:22] <ewhitten> oomf: okay, open roxio creator
[05:22] <oomf> k
[05:23] <ewhitten> oomf:  Under File, is there anything to create cd from disc image?
[05:23] <kirt> lQuaD I know vi tells you what kind it is.
[05:23] <oomf> yes
[05:23] <Maragato> Crane: yes
[05:23] <oomf> there is
[05:23] <ewhitten> click it, then select the iso image!
[05:23] <oomf> lol
[05:23] <oomf> k
[05:23] <Maragato> Crane: maybe it is that video
[05:24] <ewhitten> burn away.  you now have a bootable install disc.
[05:24] <oomf> yay
[05:25] <Crane> Maragato, could be
[05:25] <tsm2004beta> Anyone know why I'm getting so many errors with my java?
[05:25] <regeya> Id be totally worthless here; the graphical burners I use are 1.) k3b 2.) nautilus 3.) iTunes and 3.) OS X Disk Utility
[05:25] <Crane> <------sleepy
[05:25] <ewhitten> regeya:  I think I've used every burning software known at some point or another.
[05:25] <rempresent> hey hey hey
[05:26] <ewhitten> you had to in ye olde pirate days of windows
[05:26] <kirt> tsm2004beta Nope, but like i said.. you should have no problem installing the one from sun's site.
[05:26] <raydogg_> how do you make it enter navigator mode instead of spatial when u double click folders
[05:26] <bitfoo> has anyone noticed xvids looking really crappy
[05:26] <bitfoo> as compared to winxp or so :|
[05:26] <tsm2004beta> kirt, I've tried sun's, the one from the apt, and a couple others.
[05:26] <bitfoo> maybe i am missing a library?
[05:26] <tsm2004beta> Here's my errors at the end of the apt java download: dpkg: error processing sun-j2re1.4.2 (--configure):
[05:26] <tsm2004beta>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:26] <tsm2004beta> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of java-ubuntu:
[05:26] <tsm2004beta>  java-ubuntu depends on java2-runtime; however:
[05:26] <tsm2004beta>   Package java2-runtime is not installed.
[05:26] <kirt> tsm2004beta Well what problem do you have with suns?
[05:26] <tsm2004beta>   Package sun-j2re1.4.2 which provides java2-runtime is not configured yet.
[05:26] <tsm2004beta>   Package sun-j2sdk1.5.0 which provides java2-runtime is not configured yet.
[05:26] <tsm2004beta> dpkg: error processing java-ubuntu (--configure):
[05:27] <tsm2004beta>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[05:27] <tsm2004beta> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:27] <tsm2004beta>  sun-j2sdk1.5.0
[05:27] <jeavis> Hi I have a sound card Sound Blaster and I cant use, who I can use?
[05:27] <tsm2004beta>  sun-j2re1.4.2
[05:27] <raydogg_> paste bot ?
[05:27] <tsm2004beta>  java-ubuntu
[05:27] <tsm2004beta> kirt, after installing, it made no difference.
[05:27] <bitfoo> 5+ lines you paste in #flood or pastebin plz :|
[05:27] <kirt> tsm2004beta FYI flooding the channel isn't good netiquette
[05:27] <ewhitten> raydogg_  : ready?
[05:27] <raydogg_> ready for what
[05:28] <kirt> tsm2004beta How do you mean it made no difference?  Like you can't find 'java'.. then you're path isn't setup.
[05:28] <ewhitten> raydogg_  run gconf-editor, and change /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser to true
[05:29] <rempresent> I am trying to get republic commando to run through linux, and wine is giving me a wild error message, actually a whole list of them, anyone having this issue.
[05:29] <raydogg_> cool
[05:29] <tsm2004beta> kirt, an install that required JVM keeps saying that no VM is detected and something about the path... I extracted the files, put them in /usr/java and then made a symbolic link to the mozilla folders, what else is needed?
[05:29] <Maragato> Ubuntu has the best community of all distros ive used
[05:29] <Maragato> I'm proud of beeing a member :)
[05:29] <rempresent> maragato:  true that
[05:30] <IRCUser01> solaris has 0 community support :P
[05:30] <IRCUser01> i tried solaris 10, big mistake, im going back to linux
[05:30] <raydogg_> thanks, it works great
[05:30] <jeavis> Which server is hotmail
[05:30] <raydogg_> thanks ewhitten
[05:30] <kirt> IRCUser01 i hear that.  Just finished putting grub back on.. luckly i had an old gentoo CD lying around.
[05:31] <oomf> ewhitten: thank you IT WORKED
[05:31] <jeavis> Hi I have a sound card Sound Blaster and I cant use, who I can use?
[05:31] <IRCUser01> kirt unless u use containers or the advanced features which i dont, linux is better
[05:31] <IRCUser01> solaris is a little bit more responsive tho, but linux will get better :P
[05:32] <IRCUser01> linux has more hw support
[05:32] <IRCUser01> and the distros tend to be better
[05:32] <kirt> tsm2004beta Ok, you mean sun's installer gives you this error or the one from the ubuntu repository?
[05:33] <ewhitten> you're welcome, guys
[05:33] <tritium> you don't need to use gconf-editor to change that setting any more
[05:33] <tsm2004beta> kirt, the big error is from the ubuntu reposityory
[05:35] <regeya> hm...think this is a good time to go singleuser...kino was crashing, I removed then installed kino again, now all is golden.
[05:35] <alka_trash> hey ubunters
[05:35] <Pluk> hi alka_trash
[05:35] <SymbolicLink> How would I burn an audio CD?
[05:36] <Soap_On_A_Roap> have problem
[05:36] <Soap_On_A_Roap> CD Drive won't open wile running Ubuntu
[05:36] <Soap_On_A_Roap> it does on start-up and log off
[05:36] <alka_trash> I'm in Hoary, anyone know of a good way of cleaning out old unneeded debs?
[05:36] <jba> eject your cdrm
[05:36] <jba> Soap_On_A_Roap, or umount it
[05:37] <alka_trash> Soap_On_A_Roap: click on computer and right click on CD and then eject
[05:37] <kirt> tsm2004beta I assume you're doing all this to get java working in frefox.. and now that i think about it, i realize i always kept it disabled..
[05:37] <kirt> So i don't know if my installation works with firefox or not.
[05:37] <alka_trash> or yeah, unmount it works too
[05:37] <Soap_On_A_Roap> that is weird
[05:37] <tsm2004beta> kirt, I'm trying to get it so I can install LimeWire, it says it need a VM.
[05:37] <Soap_On_A_Roap> do you have tyo do that in ubuntu
[05:37] <alka_trash> tsm2004beta: amule is better
[05:37] <alka_trash> :)
[05:37] <jeavis> Hi I have a sound card Sound Blaster and I cant use, who I can use?
[05:37] <Soap_On_A_Roap> TSM, use GNUTELLA
[05:38] <alka_trash> tsm2004beta: Amule all the way
[05:38] <tsm2004beta> I'll check them out.
[05:38] <kirt> tsm2004beta Ah.  Ok, well i would use the sun package.. install it in /opt and set the JAVA_HOME environment variable and put the path to the 'java' executable in your path.. should work.
[05:39] <Soap_On_A_Roap> LOL
[05:39] <Soap_On_A_Roap> i can eject the drive without a disc in
[05:39] <kirt> tsm2004beta For example, i have a section in my .bashrc that goes like so: export JAVA_HOME=/opt/jdk1.5.0/
[05:40] <tsm2004beta> kirt, how do I set the JAVA_HOME environment variable?
[05:40] <jba> Soap_On_A_Roap, that's the defaut linux behaviour, while a disk is mounted it can't be ejected
[05:40] <Soap_On_A_Roap> how do you change that
[05:40] <jba> you don't
[05:40] <jba> at least i never bother
[05:41] <jba> if the file system is mounted, you need to unmount it to remove it
[05:41] <kirt> And another one to add java to the path: PATH=${PATH}:/opt/jdk1.5.0/bin/
[05:41] <Soap_On_A_Roap> wtf
[05:41] <Soap_On_A_Roap> I can eject it with music cds in
[05:41] <Soap_On_A_Roap> btu not Data
[05:41] <jba> are music cds mounted as a filesystem?
[05:42] <kirt> no
[05:42] <Soap_On_A_Roap> dunno
[05:42] <Soap_On_A_Roap> okay one last thing
[05:42] <Soap_On_A_Roap> whats a RECOMMENDED cd ripping program for Ubuntu
[05:42] <jba> kirt, that was semi-rhetorical
[05:42] <jba> sound-juicer, but i don't think it does mp3 by default
[05:42] <kirt> wasn't paying attention.. and sound-juicer is the recommended cd ripper
[05:43] <jba> dude go read ubuntuguide.org
[05:43] <Soap_On_A_Roap> thanx guys
[05:44] <Eiri> hi They know a channel in Spanish for Ubuntu?
[05:44] <tritium> any idea when quality profiles will be in sound-juicer?
[05:45] <Soap_On_A_Roap> omg
[05:45] <Soap_On_A_Roap> yet another Q
[05:45] <Soap_On_A_Roap> how do I get the Mp3 encoder for ound-juicer
[05:45] <jba> use ogg vorbis, it's better
[05:45] <tritium> gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:45] <jba> or read the restricted formats page on the wiki
[05:46] <Soap_On_A_Roap> if I use ogg vorbis
[05:46] <Soap_On_A_Roap> culd I still burn on Music CD
[05:46] <tritium> actually, I'm wrong.  That's just a decoder.
[05:47] <tritium> Soap_On_A_Roap, yes, you can.
[05:47] <Soap_On_A_Roap> alright
[05:47] <Soap_On_A_Roap> I'll be back in a guarantee a week
[05:47] <Soap_On_A_Roap> thanks
[05:48] <jeavis> Hi I have a sound card Sound Blaster and I cant use, who I can use?
[05:48] <oMega505> hey guys, how do i run a .run file?
[05:49] <oMega505> i just dloaded Enemy Territories
[05:49] <kirt> oMega505 chmod +x it then ./file-name.run
[05:49] <Pluk> sh *.run
[05:49] <tritium> maybe flame wars over the psychoacoustics of mp3 vs. ogg should be off-topic too
[05:49] <oMega505> kk
[05:49] <Pluk> or chmod +x en then ./*.run
[05:49] <Pluk> craps
[05:49] <Pluk> too late :D
[05:49] <oMega505> why chmod?
[05:49] <kirt> makes it executable
[05:49] <oMega505> ahh
[05:49] <jeavis> Hi I have a sound card Sound Blaster and I cant use, who I can use?
[05:50] <kirt> Files default to non-executable in linux.. it's a security thing.
[05:50] <jba> tritium, apologies for almost starting an audio format flame war
[05:50] <jba> it was just easier to say it was better
[05:50] <tritium> jba, you didn't come close ;)
[05:50] <tritium> agreed, he probably wouldn't have stayed for a long explanation anyway
[05:51] <Pluk> jeavis, what you mean with who I can use?
[05:51] <tritium> jba, I happen to agree with you, anyway :)
[05:51] <Pluk> and isnt you mixer muting the sound?
[05:52] <loco> Hello everyone
[05:53] <Pluk> hi loco
[05:53] <tritium> hey ese, don't you know you're loco?
[05:53] <loco> I just install ubuntu for the first time. I wanted to log in as root, but when I installed, it didn't ask me for a root password.
[05:53] <loco> So now, I can't run synaptic
[05:53] <mebaran151_> Anyone know about Screem?
[05:53] <tritium> loco, yes you can.  Use your own password.
[05:54] <mebaran151_> It looked like a basic html editor
[05:54] <loco> ok...I'll give it a try
[05:54] <jba> ese ajoo wan me do hurd you ese ?
[05:54] <SymbolicLink> Guys, how would I burn an audio CD?
[05:54] <Pluk> loco, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root/faq_view
[05:54] <jba> loco, check the faq at ubuntulinux.com it will give a better explanation
[05:54] <loco> This guy says thank you very much tritium
[05:54] <jba> damn beaten to the punch line
[05:54] <tritium> loco, the root account is disabled.  You're encouraged to use sudo
[05:55] <tritium> loco, no problem
[05:55] <Pluk> :P
[05:55] <mebaran151_> heheh
[05:55] <Pluk> --;
[05:55] <loco> Thanks again
[05:56] <tritium> SymbolicLink, you could try graveman.
[05:57] <SymbolicLink> tritium, alright.
[05:57] <jeavis> Hi I have a sound card Sound Blaster and I cant use, who I can use?
[05:57] <tritium> SymbolicLink, or k3b, if you don't mind kde libraries on your system
[05:57] <SymbolicLink> tritium, what's the package name for graveman or is it not on apt-get?
[05:58] <bosewicht> you can use sound blaster
[05:58] <tritium> SymbolicLink, "graveman" in universe, at least on Hoary.
[05:58] <SymbolicLink> Bleh.
[05:58] <SymbolicLink> apt-get didn't get it
[05:58] <tritium> not sure about Warty.  Do you have universe enabled?
[05:58] <SymbolicLink> As far as I know
[05:59] <tritium> Warty or Hoary?
[05:59] <SymbolicLink> Warty
[05:59] <wm_eddie> hmm
[05:59] <wm_eddie> is there a way to autoload modules?
[05:59] <wm_eddie> I know there's a way but I can't remember how.
[05:59] <bosewicht> rc.d
[06:00] <tritium> wm_eddie, list them in /etc/modules
[06:00] <kirt> . /etc/modules says it's for that purpose
[06:01] <Pluk> jeavis, what kinda soundblaster do you have?
[06:01] <wm_eddie> ahh  ok
[06:01] <mebaran151_> I cant find nvu
[06:01] <mebaran151_> but from the looks of it it looked a tad too helpful
[06:02] <mebaran151_> you know what I am saying
[06:02] <SymbolicLink> tritium, grabbing k3b isn't an option. I'm on dialup. That's 50 mb.
[06:02] <tritium> SymbolicLink, okay...if you have universe, it must not be available for Warty.
[06:03] <ixiqloc> is it possible to change the login splash screen with the three people on it?
[06:03] <mebaran151_> tritium, you sure you have universe up
[06:03] <jeavis> Pluk: Creative Sound bLASTER
[06:03] <oMega505> hmm, any ideas on how to fix enemy territories, when it starts the screen goes to the bottom left corner and rubbish is on the other parts of the screen
[06:03] <tritium> mebaran151_, you mean SymbolicLink ?
[06:03] <oMega505> its really annoying, hehe :P
[06:03] <mebaran151_> sorry
[06:03] <mebaran151_> heheh
[06:03] <mebaran151_> I meant SymbolicLink
[06:03] <Pluk> jeavis, ISA PCI awe 32/64 2.0
[06:03] <tritium> :)
[06:04] <Pluk> they lotsa soundblasters
[06:04] <Pluk> there are
[06:04] <mebaran151_> I would never confuse you two of course
[06:04] <mebaran151_> I need a good rpg
[06:04] <jeavis> Pluk: I dont know but in volume control displayme de sound card
[06:04] <mebaran151_> any good linux rpgs right now
[06:04] <mebaran151_> easy to set up and dll
[06:04] <mebaran151_> other than nethack
[06:04] <Pluk> displayme?
[06:04] <kirt> neverwinter nights
[06:04] <jeavis> Pluk: yes
[06:05] <Pluk> dont understand jeavis
[06:05] <ixiqloc> in ubuntu, is it possible to change the login splash screen to a differnt graphic other than the three people
[06:05] <mebaran151_> kirt, under linux?
[06:05] <kirt> mebaran151_ Ya, there's been a linux version for a while now
[06:05] <Pluk> ixiqloc, yeah : sudo gdmconfig
[06:05] <SymbolicLink> mebaran151_, I checked Synaptics repositories, universe group is listed twice
[06:06] <jeavis> Pluk: All the sounds are reproduced in my sound card embeded whit my mother board
[06:06] <mebaran151_> kirt, I did not know that
[06:06] <mebaran151_> but I wanted something to instantly gratify me
[06:06] <mebaran151_> like apt-get install fun
[06:06] <mebaran151_> heheh
[06:06] <bassinboy> geforce FX, compaq v70 monitor, why will it only let me pick 60hz at 1024x768
[06:06] <mebaran151_> SymbolicLink, it should be
[06:06] <mebaran151_> one is for source
[06:07] <mebaran151_> the other is for the actually packages
[06:07] <mebaran151_> bassinboy, check to make sure the refresh frequency are set right
[06:07] <jeavis> Pluk: I want to use my sound blaste live
[06:07] <Pluk> so you do have sound , but its through onboard and you would like to use your soundblaster
[06:07] <mebaran151_> both horizontally and vertically
[06:07] <jeavis> Pluk: Yes
[06:07] <SymbolicLink> Right, so it's there.
[06:08] <tsm2004beta> Anyone else having problems with TransGaming password reset?
[06:08] <bassinboy> mebaran151_: how?
[06:08] <mebaran151_> oh
[06:08] <Pluk> wouldnt the smarter question be: how can i change from onboard sound to my soundblaster live :)
[06:08] <mebaran151_> type this
[06:08] <raydogg_> does wine work out of the box ?
[06:08] <jeavis> PLuk: Yes
[06:08] <mebaran151_> bassinboy, are you on Warty or Haory
[06:08] <Pluk> i dunno how to handle 2 soundcards
[06:08] <tritium> raydogg_, it's better out of a bottle
[06:08] <bassinboy> mebaran151_:  warty
[06:08] <mebaran151_> ok
[06:08] <raydogg_> lol
[06:09] <mebaran151_> sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Confg-4
[06:09] <mebaran151_> you can scroll down it
[06:09] <mebaran151_> and get out your monitor manual while you are at it
[06:09] <mebaran151_> just make sure all the values are accurate
[06:09] <mebaran151_> under montior
[06:09] <tritium> raydogg_, if you install winesetuptk, and run it, it works "out of the box"
[06:09] <mebaran151_> and make sure you have a line that says 1280 x 1024
[06:09] <jeavis> Pluk:pssssssssssssssssss
[06:09] <mebaran151_> also
[06:09] <mebaran151_> you could try
[06:09] <jeavis>  how can i change from onboard sound to my soundblaster
[06:09] <jeavis>  how can i change from onboard sound to my soundblaster
[06:10] <mebaran151_> dpkg --configure xserver-xfree86
[06:10] <mebaran151_> I think that is how you do it
[06:10] <mebaran151_> so that it sort of walks you through the process
[06:10] <bassinboy> thanks mebaran151_
[06:10] <mebaran151_> make sure to do everything as root
[06:10] <Pluk> jeavis, stop spamming
[06:10] <mebaran151_> np
[06:10] <Pluk> jeavis, try asking your question on www.ubuntuforums.org
[06:11] <mebaran151_> jeavis
[06:11] <tritium> jeavis, did you search the forums?
[06:11] <mebaran151_> do you need your card
[06:11] <mebaran151_> if you are willing to do without onboard sound
[06:11] <mebaran151_> you should just blacklist it from hotplug
[06:11] <mebaran151_> so that it doesnet get enable
[06:11] <mebaran151_> d
[06:11] <bassinboy> mebaran151_: that command, the dkg one didn't work
[06:11] <jeavis> tritium: no
[06:11] <mebaran151_> hmmm
[06:11] <tritium> jeavis, did you try disabling onboard sound in the bios?
[06:12] <bassinboy> mebaran151_: can i msg?
[06:12] <tritium> if it's possible...
[06:12] <oMega505> hey guys, i need a little help with smb printing
[06:12] <tritium> bassinboy, dpkg-reconfigure
[06:12] <jeavis> tiitium: whit mandrake I use the soun blaster
[06:12] <mebaran151_> mebaran
[06:12] <mebaran151_> sure
[06:12] <mebaran151_> hehe
[06:12] <mebaran151_> sorry
[06:12] <mebaran151_> I pasted it by accident
[06:12] <oMega505> I have a printer set up on my winxp box over the network and I can't print to it through my ubuntu box
[06:12] <bassinboy> tritium: thanks
[06:12] <tritium> sure
[06:13] <jeavis> yes
[06:13] <mebaran151_> ah
[06:13] <mebaran151_> whoops
[06:13] <mebaran151_> sorry
[06:13] <mebaran151_> hehe
[06:13] <mebaran151_> I dont use it much, dpkg-reconfigure
[06:13] <oMega505> It says that it cannot connect to the smb server, the thing is that i can see the computer and its shares over the network perfectly
[06:13] <mebaran151_> I tend to edit the files by hand
[06:13] <bassinboy> mebaran151_: heh, i didn't feel like installing gentoo for my parents so i am giving them ubuntu :P
[06:14] <mebaran151_> bassinboy, I tried gentoo
[06:14] <mebaran151_> the fourth compile error
[06:14] <mebaran151_> I almost destoryed my computer
[06:14] <mebaran151_> wanted to burn the bloody thing
[06:14] <mebaran151_> heheh
[06:14] <mebaran151_> Gentoo looked cool but it didnt pan out for me
[06:14] <bassinboy> mebaran151_: hah, thats why you _read_ .... _study_  ............ _live_ the docs
[06:14] <raydogg_> thanks tritium
[06:15] <tritium> :)
[06:17] <mebaran151_> bassinboy, I did
[06:17] <mebaran151_> I read the gentoo install book and everything
[06:17] <jeavis>  how can i change from onboard sound to my soundblaster
[06:17] <mebaran151_> or everything I could find
[06:17] <mebaran151_> first distro I tried
[06:17] <mebaran151_> It wasnt a good distro to learn on
[06:17] <tritium> jeavis, please refrain from repeating so often
[06:18] <mebaran151_> does alsa show you both
[06:18] <mebaran151_> jeavis, which device calls itself /dev/pcm
[06:18] <mebaran151_> I eman
[06:18] <mebaran151_> /dev/dsp
[06:18] <mebaran151_> I am soo off today
[06:18] <commodude28> How do I change to non graphical login.. changing the /etc/inittab to init 3 doesnt work
[06:19] <mebaran151_> well init 3 I think has graphics
[06:19] <mebaran151_> try init two
[06:19] <commodude28> okay
[06:19] <commodude28> used to other distros
[06:19] <tritium> commodude28, debian doesn't do it that way
[06:20] <tritium> nor does ubuntu, for that matter
[06:20] <jeavis> mebaran151_: i can tenter to pcm
[06:20] <jeavis> dont exist
[06:20] <tritium> commodude28, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[06:20] <jeavis>  mebaran151_:dsp yes
[06:21] <commodude28> great
[06:22] <jeavis> mebaran151_:what i do in /dev dsp
[06:23] <bassinboy> i ran dpkg-reconfigure  xserver-xfree86   ............... where is my old conf ?
[06:25] <tritium> bassinboy, replaced
[06:25] <bassinboy> no backup?
[06:26] <tritium> no, not if you didn't back it up on your own.  Why?  Is the new config not working for you?
[06:27] <bassinboy> i dont know yet
[06:27] <jeavis> Hi how I can enter to control panel
[06:28] <mebaran151> jeavis, what do you mean by control panel
[06:28] <bassinboy> there is none :P
[06:28] <jeavis> mebaran151: like control panel in windows
[06:28] <mebaran151> jeavis
[06:29] <mebaran151> jeavis, we dont have no stinkin control panel ;)
[06:29] <tritium> jeavis, what are you trying to do?
[06:29] <mebaran151> he probably wants to route his sndcard
[06:29] <mebaran151> jeavis, do you know which device is registering itself to /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer
[06:30] <tritium> jeavis, did you research on the forums?  Did you look into disabling it in your bios?  Have you tried our suggestions?
[06:30] <mebaran151> tritium, good suggestion
[06:30] <mebaran151> the bios one is very effective
[06:30] <mebaran151> set it to off or secondary
[06:31] <mebaran151> On my Nforce Mobo, I can jsut turn it off
[06:31] <tritium> mebaran151, that's what you did
[06:31] <tritium> ?
[06:31] <jeavis> ok i will restar my pc
[06:31] <tritium> I need to go.  Later mebaran151
[06:32] <mebaran151> yeah
[06:37] <Maragato> I gtg folks good night sweet dreams!
[06:39] <oomf> ok i got a problem
[06:39] <oomf> whose listening
[06:39] <mebaran151> anybody got any idea how I can fix my Evolution
[06:39] <mebaran151> or anybody know if screem is anygood
[06:39] <oomf> im running ubuntu and the system just stops after it says
[06:40] <oomf> intilaizing oackage states...done
[06:40] <oomf> then nothing happens>
[06:40] <oomf> ?
[06:40] <mebaran151> when does this happen
[06:40] <mebaran151> not on boot up
[06:40] <oomf> after
[06:40] <oomf> um
[06:40] <oomf> i've tried to configure i guess
[06:40] <mebaran151> ah
[06:40] <oomf> after all those questions
[06:40] <mebaran151> trying running this command
[06:40] <mebaran151> sudo apt-get clean
[06:41] <mebaran151> and then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:41] <mebaran151> do those two things from terminal
[06:41] <mebaran151> to get a clean login
[06:41] <mebaran151> alt ctrl f2 or alt ctrl f3
[06:41] <oomf> hmm
[06:42] <oomf> one sec
[06:42] <oomf> WOAH wtf
[06:42] <oomf> lol i had my bbback turned
[06:42] <oomf> to the computer
[06:42] <mebaran151> and what happened
[06:42] <oomf> and now i go back and theres like 100 lines of soemthing hold on
[06:42] <bluefoxicy> so horribly broken
[06:43] <bluefoxicy> i.e. the "Video player" visualizes audio
[06:43] <oomf> it says
[06:43] <oomf> insert disc
[06:43] <oomf> labels
[06:43] <oomf> labeled
[06:44] <oomf> warty worthog
[06:44] <mebaran151> uh
[06:44] <oomf> is that the same as the install disc?
[06:44] <mebaran151> get your install disk
[06:44] <oomf> kk
[06:44] <mebaran151> yep
[06:44] <mebaran151> exactly
[06:45] <bluefoxicy> ok totem-xine dies
[06:45] <bluefoxicy> so
[06:45] <bluefoxicy> ubuntu comes with no video player on amd64
[06:46] <adamh> How broken is X on the livecd? :)
[06:47] <mebaran151> X is broken in that it doesnt work
[06:47] <mebaran151> heheh
[06:47] <mebaran151> I dont know how else to day it
[06:47] <adamh> Okay :)
[06:47] <adamh> Well, sometimes "broken" means "such and such doesn't work" :P
[06:48] <mebaran151> X is pretty broke
[06:48] <daniels> adamh: yes
[06:48] <djjason> has anyone here used xbindkeys
[06:49] <adamh> Thank goodness for my rediculous bandwidth. Doesn't feel painful to delete my 500MB download :)
[06:49] <bluefoxicy> xine ALSO doesn't run.
[06:49] <bluefoxicy> ok
[06:49] <bluefoxicy> NO video
[06:50] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: I don't think you can turn off NX unless you run a 32-bit setup.
[06:51] <Amaranth> And if code doesn't work with NX it's the code's fault. :P
[06:51] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  hence why I'm pondering adding PaX to the kernel
[06:52] <Amaranth> Oh, I thought PaX was a fake NX.
[06:52] <bluefoxicy> I can disable NX per-binary with PaX; plus I can just do trampoline emulation if it's nested functions doing it (better, don't need an executable stack)
[06:52] <jeavis> Hi How I can use my second sound card
[06:52] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  no, advanced memory protection policy wihch relies on NX and thus brings its own NX when none is available
[06:52] <Amaranth> I learned today that PaX can be broken in 216 seconds.
[06:52] <mebaran151> did you try disabling it in bios jeavis
[06:52] <Amaranth> But I got that from slashdot so it may not be true.
[06:52] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  Correct, ASLR can be broken in 216 seconds; however, using GrSecurity's exploit brute force deterrance, the period extends to 2 weeks
[06:53] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: GrSecurity could be broken with 64K or 2M of NOP. From the same entry.
[06:53] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  that report was 3 months after i read the paper btw :) they completely ignore the idea of a set-up of Gr with brute force deterrance, except to say that such things are 'not feasible because they create a DoS'
[06:53] <da_bon_bon> is there some kindova udf packet writitng software for linux ?>
[06:53] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  wrong
[06:53] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  they got that one from me, talking about Exec Shield, as it uses 64k or 2M of randomization
[06:53] <Amaranth> ah
[06:54] <Amaranth> They did say Exec Shield, I remember that now.
[06:54] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  GrSecurity is a bunch of stuff around PaX, and PaX uses some ungodly amount of randamization, like 256M
[06:54] <_blue> how do i reset gnome panel preferences via commandline???
[06:54] <bluefoxicy> 64 GIGS on amd64
[06:54] <dr_willis> da_bon_bon,  i recall that being worked on.. but never have seen it used or mentioned lately.
[06:54] <jeavis> Hi How I can use my second sound card?
[06:54] <da_bon_bon> dr_willis: oh ok..
[06:54] <mebaran151> jeavis, did you ever try the bios hack
[06:54] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  I sacrificed my PR value on LKML for a while for exposing that :)
[06:54] <adamh> _blue: Reset... as in, delete all your panels so that the defaults appear?
[06:55] <da_bon_bon> and anyone know of something like a kazaa for linux ?
[06:55] <mebaran151> and did you ever find out which device was hogging /dev/dsp
[06:55] <dr_willis> da_bon_bon,  i cant even rember where/when i saw it.. perhaps in the kernel souce options one day when i was configuring the kernel for a different machine. lol
[06:55] <adamh> da_bon_bon: giFT
[06:55] <_blue> adamh: no i messed up the config on my panel to where its totally transparent and a removed everything except the pager
[06:55] <jeavis> mebaran151: yes but I cant
[06:55] <_blue> and also it has autohide, and i cant get it back...how do i reset the preferences via commandline
[06:56] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  was that a recent article+?
[06:56] <adamh> _blue: Press Ctrl-Alt-Tab to switch to the panel.
[06:56] <Amaranth> I dunno, I miss some old things and find them again.
[06:56] <Amaranth> It wasn't an article, it was in a comment.
[06:56] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  http://usrbac.sourceforge.net/misc/www/security.html that's what I'm thinking about if I do my own linux distro
[06:56] <adamh> _blue: As far as I know, it's really, really hard to mess with the panel from the commandline.
[06:56] <_blue> well, im using fluxbox
[06:56] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  I lean heavily on PaX and GrSecurity because Exec Shield is a partial solution and is inherantly broken in many places
[06:57] <_blue> adamh: im using flux and using the panel just for the pager
[06:57] <Amaranth> Yeah, if you can write a bunch of nop to the stack to get around it it sounds worthless...
[06:57] <_blue> i need to be able to edit it via commandline
[06:57] <bluefoxicy> it's funny that they claim PaX breaks things, but ES breaks the same stuff.  They just set the compiler to haphazardly disable ES
[06:57] <adamh> _blue: Wow. You managed quite a feat, breaking it to that much of an extent :P
[06:57] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  you still need an executable stack, except for data-on-stack stuff
[06:58] <_blue> ya i know....
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  for example if you're writing to a stack which lets you overflow into a pointer to a string to pass to, say, execve
[06:58] <_blue> how do i reset the preferences
[06:58] <_blue> ??
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  <POINTER>/bin/sh /bin/sh /bin/sh /bin/sh
[06:58] <dr_willis> _blue,  ya could delet the users .gnome dir - that has all the settings. :( not a good fix however.
[06:58] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: That was the example given. :P
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> instead of guessing where /bin/sh is just dump lots in there (you'll have either 1 sh or a billion nested sh)
[06:58] <dr_willis> I think its .gnome (not on a linux box right now)
[06:58] <adamh> _blue: I imagine you could log out (i.e., make sure gnome-panel isn't running) and then do gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel; rm -rf ~/.gnome2/panel2.d
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  ah, that was spender's doing
[06:59] <adamh> dr_willis: No, that's totally wrong. Most preferences are stored in GConf.
[06:59] <dr_willis> adamh,  isent that file it stores in ~/.gnome2 ?
[06:59] <adamh> dr_willis: Nope, ~/.gconf
[07:00] <dr_willis> adamh,  lol :P we getting too many config files all over. :P
[07:00] <adamh> dr_willis: And you shouldn't alter those files while GConf is running, anyway
[07:00] <adamh> dr_willis: Not from GNOME apps, thankfully :)
[07:01] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  have you tried pitti's kernels?
[07:01] <jeavis> mebaran151: What do you think I need to do
[07:01] <mebaran151> you need to figure out what mixer you are running
[07:01] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: I don't have an AMD64.
[07:02] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  they're not for amd64, i'm gonna have to build my own
[07:02] <jba> home time
[07:03] <mebaran151> I am on AMD64
[07:03] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:   deb     http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/linux-hardened/  /
[07:03] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: Ah, I don't focus much on local security anyway. I figure if someone got access to my box remotely they can have their fun (I keep backups).
[07:03] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  he supplies a good deal of things, though if you run those some stuff may berak (qemu)
[07:03] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  heh :)
[07:04] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: Seeing how I only have port 80 as a sign I even exist at my IP address, I don't think I have too much to worry about there.
[07:04] <_blue> lol, that still doesnt answer my question about how to rest the panel....
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  breakins don't have to happen from someone connecting
[07:04] <Amaranth> Although my Linux box doesn't even have net access right now so it's even safer.
[07:04] <_blue> i just want to reset it so i can change the preferences again
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  i'm more worried about irc (holes in xchat), mozilla, thunderbird, gaim, etc
[07:04] <_blue> there HAS to be some script that i can run...:-(
[07:05] <adamh> _blue: Read up. I answered your question.
[07:05] <mebaran151> _blue
[07:05] <dr_willis> if there was - i imagine they would of told ya :P
[07:05] <mebaran151> what do you want to destroy
[07:05] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: Unless they know of a privledge escalation exploit that isn't known once again I have backups of /home so I'm not too worried. :)
[07:05] <adamh> _blue: gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel; rm -rf ~/.gnome2/panel2.d
[07:06] <_blue> how do i kill gnome panel before using that command?
[07:07] <mebaran151> _blue, you could probably also purge gconf
[07:07] <mebaran151> and reinstall it
[07:07] <adamh> _blue: killall gnome-panel? I dunno, you're using fluxbox -- will it restart?
[07:07] <mebaran151> if you relaly wanted to destroy it all
[07:07] <adamh> mebaran151: That's the stupidest thing I ever heard :)
[07:07] <mebaran151> adamh, it cant be that stupid
[07:07] <mebaran151> come on
[07:07] <mebaran151> there have been stupider
[07:07] <adamh> mebaran151: You could delete your home directory, too... or you could reformat your hard drive and reinstall from scratch.
[07:08] <mebaran151> Napoleon's invasion of Russia
[07:08] <_blue> omfg...THAT WORKED
[07:08] <mebaran151> Marc Antony's Affair with Cleopatra
[07:08] <mebaran151> the sentencing of Socrates
[07:08] <adamh> _blue: Surprise :)
[07:08] <adamh> mebaran151: Nah, it tops those :)
[07:08] <adamh> mebaran151: :P
[07:09] <_blue> adamh: although it only shows one workspace
[07:09] <adamh> _blue: Is fluxbox wccmasdfhah compliant?
[07:09] <adamh> (whichever one knows about workspaces)
[07:10] <Amaranth> mebaran151: Hitler's Invasion of Russia was stupider than Napoleon's
[07:10] <bluefoxicy> ahhh it won't let me build it ><
[07:10] <_blue> nvm, i fixed it...thanks man
[07:10] <adamh> _blue: You can right-click on the workspace to get prefs and then enable more, right? :)
[07:10] <mebaran151> Amaranth, yeah
[07:10] <mebaran151> true
[07:10] <Amaranth> mebaran151: Hitler loved history but still fell for the same trick
[07:11] <Amaranth> Unless of course his people didn't listen to him or didn't think it was important enough to tell him (I doubt it)
[07:11] <_blue> i fixed it...:-)
[07:11] <_blue> thanks...
[07:11] <mebaran151> but I wanted Hitler to fail
[07:11] <mebaran151> so it was stupid for history
[07:11] <mebaran151> Napoleon
[07:11] <mebaran151> I have always been partial to him
[07:11] <adamh> lol
[07:11] <Amaranth> heh, you wanted Napoleon to control Europe?
[07:11] <ChaosZ3RO> Okay I'm gonna try asking one more time before I give up and reinstall. I get a error at startup saying x server is already running, and it won't let me start xfce or gnome, I can only get into gdm and terminal. Does anyone have any ideas on what I can do?
[07:12] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: You *can* get into gdm?
[07:12] <Amaranth> ChaosZ3RO: login with gdm
[07:12] <ChaosZ3RO> yes I can get into gdm
[07:12] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: Sounds like X is already running :P
[07:12] <Amaranth> It'll send you to a GNOME or XFCE session once you login there.
[07:12] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: gdm is a program running inside X. If GDM is running, that means X is running.
[07:12] <Amaranth> You can hit the settings button to choose which one you want, too.
[07:12] <ChaosZ3RO> you don't seem to understand, when I try to login to xfce FROM gdm, I get that error
[07:13] <Amaranth> odd...
[07:13] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: My guess is that you've got some funky x settings file in your home directory
[07:13] <ChaosZ3RO> The odd thing is it was running just fine for a few days :S
[07:13] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: Hrm. You dist-upgraded?
[07:13] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: On Hoary?
[07:13] <ChaosZ3RO> No
[07:14] <ChaosZ3RO> I might just wait for haory to come out and reinstall wiht that
[07:14] <ChaosZ3RO> with*
[07:14] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: If I were you I'd start moving files out of your home directory until it starts :)
[07:15] <ChaosZ3RO> Is hoary out?
[07:15] <adamh> April, I think
[07:15] <hendsp> i know this is offtopic, but has anyone used any ecommerce software which will let me have different versions of a product, and monitor the stock for each version? (ie stock level for shoe size 8, and 9)
[07:15] <ChaosZ3RO> ah geez
[07:15] <BierGuzzl> I miss my Applications >> Debian Menu ... Is there a relatively painless way to get those menu entries for obscure apps back?
[07:15] <mebaran151> hendsp, I think you cold do it in excel
[07:15] <hendsp> excel?
[07:16] <ChaosZ3RO> guess I'll just reinstall tomorrow then...
[07:16] <adamh> OpenOffice.org calc :)
[07:16] <hendsp> for an online webstore, though?
[07:16] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: Reinstalling is silly. There's a problem, and you can fix it :)
[07:16] <adamh> Only Windows users need to reinstall.
[07:16] <mebaran151> adamh, reinstalling is the cleanest way possible
[07:16] <ChaosZ3RO> Well noone seems to know what is wrong and what to do =\
[07:16] <mebaran151> haha
[07:16] <mebaran151> a reinstall takes like 20 minutes on my machine
[07:17] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: Remove your home directory and try logging in. If it works, it has nothing at all to do with reinstalling :)
[07:17] <mebaran151> and it clears out all the junk I apt-gettted
[07:17] <adamh> mebaran151: And doesn't fix anything :P
[07:17] <Amaranth> ChaosZ3RO: Wait for a real X guru to show up, like daniels.
[07:17] <bosewicht> anyone have any probs with apache setting up vir dir in public_html
[07:17] <adamh> mebaran151: "apt-get clean" does, too
[07:17] <mebaran151> adamh, only when I break it myself
[07:17] <ChaosZ3RO> I'd rather just spend the half hour to reinstall than wait a week for someone to figure it out
[07:17] <adamh> mebaran151: How do you break things?
[07:17] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: Reinstalling won't fix your problem.
[07:17] <mebaran151> Oh
[07:17] <mebaran151> I dont know
[07:17] <ChaosZ3RO> Actually it will <_< at least for a while
[07:17] <mebaran151> I was trying to make evolution from scratch
[07:17] <adamh> ChaosZ3RO: I've given you some very good advice. Use it. If it still doesn't work, then reinstalling won't do anything.
[07:18] <adamh> mebaran151: apt-get build-dep evolution; apt-get source evolution; cd evolution[tab] ; dpkg-buildpackage
[07:18] <adamh> mebaran151: never EVER fuck with the package manager :)
[07:18] <hendsp> nobody knows any good ecommerce software? where's a good place to ask on freenode?
[07:18] <adamh> hendsp: http://freshmeat.net :)
[07:19] <oMega505> hey guys, how do i enable the root account?
[07:19] <adamh> oMega505: /topic
[07:19] <randabis> why do you want to enable it?
[07:19] <adamh> oMega505: But the better answer is, "don't, just use sudo"
[07:19] <mebaran151> adamh, I was just having fun
[07:19] <hendsp> adamh: yeah, i've tried, but it's hard to find one which allows for stock monitoring on product attributes
[07:19] <mebaran151> no need to get so serious
[07:19] <adamh> mebaran151: Well, I suppose.
[07:20] <oMega505> adamh, the thing is that i installed Enemy Territories using sudo and now it wont run unless i start it with sudo
[07:20] <adamh> mebaran151: But when people talk about reinstalling modern Linux distros, I can't help but think they're missing the entire point.
[07:20] <mebaran151> adamh, yeah
[07:20] <mebaran151> but sometimes
[07:20] <adamh> oMega505: Well, CERTAINLY don't run it as root!
[07:20] <mebaran151> it is quicker to reinstall
[07:20] <mebaran151> then to try to figure out where you fucked it
[07:20] <mebaran151> of course
[07:20] <mebaran151> if it hadnt been clean
[07:20] <oMega505> adamh, so, what do i do? :S
[07:20] <adamh> mebaran151: But that's the thing -- *don't* fuck it :)
[07:20] <mebaran151> I mihgt have fixed
[07:21] <mebaran151> if my home ever contains something I usually am not so easy to do it
[07:21] <adamh> mebaran151: If it's not in /usr/local, /opt, /var/local or /home, don't edit it. Follow that simple rule and you'll never need to reinstall, ever :)
[07:21] <mebaran151> I usually dont do that
[07:21] <mebaran151> I usually leave it like that
[07:21] <mebaran151> one of these days
[07:21] <mebaran151> I am going to LFS
[07:21] <adamh> oMega505: Dunno, there must be an answer on Google.
[07:21] <mebaran151> and actually have a right to break it the right way
[07:21] <adamh> mebaran151: Heh, what fun :)
[07:21] <randabis> I'm gonna try out freebsd tomorrow for kicks
[07:21] <oMega505> adamh, kk, thanks
[07:22] <adamh> mebaran151: I kinda did LFS for a few years. Started off as Slackware, but ended up with no remaining Slackware-ness at all :)
[07:22] <randabis> downloaded the isos, just gonna wait until tomorrow to do the install
[07:22] <adamh> mebaran151: And even then, I didn't need to reinstall until my memory died and managed to slaughter my / partition :)
[07:23] <mebaran151> heheh
[07:23] <adamh> mebaran151: Reinstalls are for Windows -- where software makes itself impossible to remove.
[07:23] <adamh> Just like reboots :)
[07:23] <mebaran151> reboots
[07:23] <mebaran151> yes
[07:23] <randabis> oMega505, I suppose you could uninstall it and run the installer as a normal user :/ or maybe change the permissions on /usr/local/games/et
[07:23] <mebaran151> that is one thing I love
[07:23] <mebaran151> once I learned to get the hang of init and daemons
[07:23] <mebaran151> I have never really needed a reboot
[07:23] <mebaran151> except to get my new kernel up
[07:23] <mebaran151> and everyone loves the new kernel
[07:24] <randabis> my uptime's 4 days now...It would be longer, but something happened and I can't remember what... :p
[07:24] <adamh> I rebooted my server computer once last year. A power surge made it crash somehow.
[07:24] <adamh> did you know... the uptime wraps around to 0 after about 497 days? :)
[07:25] <randabis> OUCH lol
[07:25] <randabis> I'd be pissed
[07:25] <adamh> Yes, but after you achieve it you're cured of the "must-get-a-higher-uptime" fanaticism :)
[07:25] <randabis> yeah
[07:25] <mebaran151> I found that the dpkg make though fails to build ubuntu properly
[07:25] <mebaran151> I mean evolution
[07:25] <mebaran151> there is a bug report on it
[07:26] <mebaran151> but for now I have no useful contact software
[07:26] <adamh> mebaran151: You sound like the kind of person who LFS is best for :)
[07:26] <adamh> mebaran151: You get to learn a hell of a lot how things interact.
[07:26] <adamh> mebaran151: And then, at the end of it all, you go back to something dead simple like Ubuntu and appreciate it much, much more :)
[07:27] <randabis> hehe
[07:27] <mebaran151> adamh, yeah
[07:27] <adamh> mebaran151: evolution is an utter bitch to compile manually. Stupid mozilla NSS dependency...
[07:27] <mebaran151> yeah
[07:27] <mebaran151> but the problem is
[07:27] <mebaran151> the Debian build daemon
[07:27] <mebaran151> fucked it up
[07:27] <mebaran151> pretty bad
[07:27] <mebaran151> crashes the entire system
[07:27] <mebaran151> with a bad float
[07:27] <mebaran151> whenever anything tries to call it
[07:27] <adamh> mebaran151: Crashes the entire system? Erm...
[07:27] <mebaran151> well it freezes X
[07:28] <mebaran151> and I have to restart X
[07:28] <mebaran151> and that is annoying
[07:28] <mebaran151> not unlivable
[07:28] <adamh> mebaran151: That's a bug in X...
[07:28] <adamh> What is the Debian build daemon, anyway?
[07:28] <mebaran151> well it is a bug everywhere
[07:28] <mebaran151> I dont know
[07:28] <mebaran151> it was referenced in the bug
[07:28] <mebaran151> I guess it was what builds pkgs
[07:28] <mebaran151> here is the bug number
[07:29] <adamh> mebaran151: You certainly don't need that to compile Evolution the proper way...
[07:29] <mebaran151> no
[07:29] <mebaran151> I think that is what makes the pkgs
[07:29] <adamh> mebaran151: dpkg-buildpackage does that
[07:29] <mebaran151> yeah
[07:29] <adamh> mebaran151: It's not a daemon...
[07:29] <mebaran151> but AMD64 is so screwed up
[07:30] <mebaran151> nope
[07:30] <mebaran151> I didnt think so
[07:30] <adamh> mebaran151: Oh, AMD64, huh? Say no more :)
[07:30] <mebaran151> yeah
[07:30] <mebaran151> AMD64
[07:30] <mebaran151> somebody did a bad pointer or something
[07:30] <adamh> Once AMD64 adoption reaches critical mass those bugs will be much less frequent.
[07:30] <mebaran151> X has stopped crashing since the dist upgrade today
[07:30] <mebaran151> but Evolution
[07:30] <mebaran151> sort of sucks
[07:30] <mebaran151> still
[07:31] <mebaran151> always exits with a float exception
[07:31] <adamh> mebaran151: It'll probably work in a day or two if you file a bug with Ubuntu.
[07:31] <adamh> mebaran151: Ubuntu devs are totally awesome when it comes to handling bugs :)
[07:31] <mebaran151> bug filed
[07:31] <mebaran151> a couple weeks ago
[07:31] <mebaran151> this has been going for awhile
[07:31] <mebaran151> must be huge
[07:32] <adamh> Weird :)
[07:32] <mebaran151> yeah
[07:32] <randabis> I wonder how usplash is going
[07:32] <mebaran151> but AMD64 is so hard now adays
[07:32] <randabis> the wiki hasn't been updated in a month
[07:32] <ksugi> offline synaptic repositories? how?
[07:33] <bosewicht> ok, so nobody in here knows anything about apache?
[07:33] <mebaran151> ok
[07:33] <adamh> bosewicht: I know something about apache
[07:33] <randabis> I know it's a web server :)
[07:33] <hygl> bosewicht: and i now something about meta questions:)
[07:33] <mebaran151> adamh, 5870
[07:34] <hygl> know even
[07:34] <adamh> bosewicht: http://homepages.tesco.net/~J.deBoynePollard/FGA/questions-with-yes-or-no-answers.html
[07:34] <bosewicht> i've had this prob all day not being able to hit my public_html dir. i've asked the same question 7-8 times and nobody responded, i have userdir enabled, i have my default dir pointing there, but it still loads /var/www
[07:34] <adamh> bosewicht: You've browsed to http://localhost/~bosewicht ?
[07:35] <bosewicht> i get a internal 500 error
[07:35] <adamh> bosewicht: chmod a+rwx /home/bosewicht/public_html
[07:35] <adamh> (erm, a+rx, that is)
[07:35] <adamh> chmod a+rx /home/bosewicht
[07:35] <adamh> (which sucks, but must be done)
[07:35] <hygl> bosewicht: and have you looked in the /var/log/apache/error.log?
[07:37] <adamh> mebaran151: Did you look at the forum post by Tristan Tarrant about compiling by hand?
[07:37] <bosewicht> yes, it says address already in use
[07:37] <adamh> bosewicht: Do you have apache *and* apache2 installed?
[07:37] <bosewicht> still the same internal 500 error log
[07:38] <bosewicht> i had uninstalled apache2
[07:38] <hygl> bosewicht: but is apache2 still running?
[07:38] <adamh> netstat -pant
[07:38] <mebaran151> adamh, I looked
[07:38] <mebaran151> but I didnt have time at the moment to actually do it
[07:39] <adamh> Ah well, 'night all :)
[07:39] <Halo> Hello
[07:39] <Halo> and "help, help!"
[07:40] <randabis> =o
[07:40] <Halo> I'm rather novice when it comes to linux, and am trying to compile some drivers for my wireless card
[07:40] <Halo> I got it working with ndiswrapper.... but I'd rather have the linux drivers running proper
[07:40] <mebaran151> well
[07:40] <hygl> what kind of card do you have?
[07:40] <Halo> it's an rt2500 chipset, and I got the freeware drivers set up
[07:40] <Halo> err, at least downloaded.
[07:41] <Halo> There's a makefile for the 2.6 kernel which I copied over
[07:41] <Halo> then I try this: from the readme
[07:41] <Halo> For 2.6 series kernel:
[07:41] <Halo> a.  $make -C /path/to/source SUBDIRS=$PWD modules
[07:41] <Halo>     Where /path/to/source is the path to the source directory for the (configured and built) target kernel.
[07:41] <Halo> that command results in a build error
[07:41] <randabis> those drivers are a NIGHTMARE to compile I've heard
[07:41] <Halo> and quite a bit of googling has left me scratching my head
[07:42] <randabis> have you tried using the linux tree for your kernel?
[07:42] <Halo> ... say what now?
[07:43] <randabis> er I think I meant linux headers
[07:43] <Halo> I still don't follow... if it's easier to point me to a FAQ please do
[07:43] <Halo> I don't mind reading the manual... I just need to know where to start :O
[07:43] <randabis> what kernel source are you using?
[07:44] <Halo> 2.6.8.1
[07:44] <bosewicht> ok, now it says alert client 192.168.1.1 /home/bosewicht/public_html/ $.htaccess directoryindex not allowed in here
[07:44] <randabis> what I meant by linux headers is that there is a package called linux headers that creates basically a source tree of your running kernel
[07:44] <randabis> you can apt-get it
[07:45] <randabis> you should try using the path to that as /path/to/source
[07:45] <Halo> I think I got it actually...
[07:45] <Halo> /usr/src/kernal ?
[07:45] <randabis> no
[07:45] <randabis> err hold on
[07:45] <randabis> lemme check that
[07:46] <Halo> "Linux kernel headers 2.6.8.1 on 386
[07:46] <Halo> This package provides kernel header files for version 2.6.8.1 on
[07:46] <Halo> 386,"
[07:46] <djjason> could someone help me please, all of a sudden I cant log in using the defualt system session, and xsession-errors ends with /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup...
[07:46] <Halo> This I do not have
[07:46] <Halo> How will getting this help me?
[07:47] <Halo> will it create a new src folder?
[07:47] <randabis> yes, it basically mirrors your running kernel
[07:47] <Halo> ok, I have a centrino... should I get the 686?
[07:48] <randabis> are you running a 686 kernel now?
[07:48] <Halo> I'm actually running a 386 kernal though... as it's the only install iso I saw available
[07:48] <randabis> you should get the one that matches your running kernel
[07:48] <Halo> ok
[07:48] <gobeavs> that reminds me, if I have an athlon 64, what kernel should I get?
[07:48] <gobeavs> I don't want a 64 bit OS though
[07:49] <randabis> k7
[07:49] <Halo> downloading
[07:49] <gobeavs> ok
[07:49] <gobeavs> thx
[07:49] <Halo> it's about 30mb.. I hope ubuntu doesn't poop in the meanwhile
[07:49] <Halo> an isssue which I think is related to my ndis drivers
[07:49] <Halo> I'll get a kernel error saying disabled irq 11
[07:49] <Halo> at which point my wireless dies, but oddly... so does my usb mouse
[07:50] <randabis> hmm
[07:50] <randabis> might be acpi related
[07:50] <Halo> this is a dell 8600 laptop
[07:50] <Halo> I greatly dislike dell... but before xmas they had a $750 off sale so I jumped on it
[07:50] <randabis> heh
[07:50] <Halo> I've been paying the price ever since lol
[07:51] <Halo> oh how I miss my old thinkpad
[07:51] <randabis> well the 2.6.8 kernel does have some problems with acpi on some systems, that's why I mentioned that
[07:51] <Halo> if only I could have grabbed a T42 for the same price I got this thing
[07:51] <Halo> is there a way of using ubuntu and the older 2.4 kernel?
[07:51] <randabis> it sucks that IBM is dropping their laptop/desktop business
[07:52] <randabis> NOT recommended Halo
[07:52] <Halo> I know... but perhaps Levano will prove worthwhile
[07:52] <Halo> we'll see
[07:52] <Halo> ok, I wont use 2.4 then
[07:52] <Halo> but what am I to do?
[07:52] <randabis> you could disable acpi
[07:52] <randabis> and see if that helps
[07:52] <randabis> I think the line to add to grub is pci=noacpi
[07:53] <Halo> I'll try it out if the native linux drivers don't work out
[07:53] <Halo> because I think it's related to my wireless connection dropping
[07:53] <Halo> as soon as my connection drops (I think) I get the error
[07:53] <Halo> I'm just confused as to why it kills my usb stuff too
[07:54] <Halo> I know the ndis stuff isn't working great though, as it reports 100% signal usage *all* the time
[07:54] <randabis> the path will be something like /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386 when it's done
[07:54] <djjason> is there a way to reset the default system session so I can log into it again
[07:54] <Halo> no fluctuation what so ever... even when the signal is dead
[07:54] <randabis> well ndiswrapper works well with somethings and less well for others
[07:55] <gobeavs> what is ACPI?
[07:55] <randabis> it works great with my wifi pcmcia card
[07:55] <randabis> google is your friend
[07:55] <gobeavs> but it doesn't tell me what I want to know
[07:55] <Halo> It works better than the nix driver at this point
[07:55] <Halo> as the nix driver wont compile :O
[07:55] <gobeavs> "ACPI establishes industry-standard interfaces for OS-directed configuration and power management on laptops, desktops, and servers."
[07:56] <gobeavs> that tells me nothing about if it will work on my computer
[07:56] <gobeavs> or if it will have conflicts with my linux
[07:56] <Halo> It's usually only an issue for laptops
[07:56] <gobeavs> ok
[07:56] <gobeavs> thx
[07:56] <gobeavs> that what I needed to know :D
[07:56] <randabis> you're probably already using it
[07:56] <randabis> depends on the age of your hardware
[07:56] <Halo> has some standby issues and most especially power management issues (like when the power is pulled and it forces things to run on battery)
[07:56] <gobeavs> new
[07:56] <gobeavs> about 1 year old, max
[07:57] <gobeavs> 2 actually
[07:57] <gobeavs> yeah, its a desktop so I'm fine I think
[07:57] <randabis> unless you turned it off in the BIOS, you're definitely using ACPI
[07:57] <Halo> ok, headers downloaded... giving this a whirl
[07:57] <randabis> good luck
[07:57] <randabis> hope it works out better for you
[07:59] <Halo> she worked :O
[07:59] <Halo> .... ok.... now what
[07:59] <Halo> do I copy the compiled module to my real source folder or something?
[08:00] <randabis> no
[08:00] <randabis> should probably put it in /lib/modules/*kernel
[08:01] <randabis> and do an insmod module.ko
[08:01] <Halo> ok
[08:01] <randabis> then add the module to /etc/modules so it loads at bootup
[08:01] <Halo> well here is b: b.  run '/sbin/insmod rt2500.ko'  (as root)
[08:02] <Halo> so it puts it in the directory I'm working in I suppose
[08:02] <randabis> sudo insmod rt2500.ko :)
[08:02] <randabis> yeah I suppose so
[08:02] <Halo> yeah, I've been sudo'ing everything up to this point
[08:02] <randabis> good :)
[08:02] <Halo> I wouldn't have gotten this far if I hadn't been :)
[08:03] <randabis> yeah
[08:03] <Halo> well if I run it out of this directory will I have to keep it there?
[08:03] <Halo> because I don't want to do that... it's something deep in my home dir
[08:03] <randabis> I don't think so
[08:04] <Halo> allright, I'll give it a shot then
[08:04] <randabis> after you insmod you will probably have to modprobe it for it to work...I advise disabling ndiswrapper first though...you'll probably have to reconfigure your network settings too
[08:04] <randabis> not sure
[08:04] <Halo> yeah, I was just about to ask
[08:05] <Halo> it's insmod'd in
[08:05] <randabis> rmmod ndiswrapper should turn it off
[08:05] <Halo> no errors, so I guess things are cool
[08:05] <FAST> can anyone tell me how to get the  gxmms applet to work ?
[08:05] <gobeavs> excellent Halo
[08:05] <Halo> allright... well I'm going to copy out my netconfigs and hopefully be back shortly
[08:05] <randabis> then you just need to blacklist ndiswrapper in /etc/hotplug/blacklist so it doesn't load on startup
[08:05] <_4strO> yop yop all
[08:05] <Halo> if not... I may just cry and boot up windows
[08:06] <Halo> I'll be removing ndiswrapper if this works right
[08:06] <Halo> so the blacklist shouldn't be needed
[08:06] <gobeavs> whenever I install a new kernel, it leaves the old kernel entries in GRUB so I can boot them again, is there any downside to leaving them in there?
[08:06] <mebaran151> gobeavs, you have to read
[08:06] <mebaran151> but other than that
[08:06] <mebaran151> all they are doing is taking up space
[08:06] <gobeavs> I have to read?....I can do that
[08:06] <gobeavs> space isnt a problem
[08:06] <mebaran151> so if you have a couple gigs and space is no big deal
[08:06] <mebaran151> and your boot partition is pretty big
[08:06] <mebaran151> like 100 mbs
[08:07] <gobeavs> ok
[08:07] <randabis> you can safely remove them...just do the COMPLETELY remove option in synaptic on the particular kernel you want to remove (or apt-get --purge remove kernelpackage
[08:07] <gobeavs> thx mebaran
[08:07] <im_high> wow nice chan
[08:07] <randabis> :)
[08:07] <FAST> is there a way to run xmms only from the applet, and not have it in the panel window list ?
[08:07] <mebaran151> im_high, everything is nice when you are high
[08:07] <mebaran151> ;)
[08:08] <im_high> ;)
[08:08] <mebaran151> not that I would have any ideas about that
[08:08] <im_high> jus installed ubuntu on this ppc g3 350
[08:08] <im_high> kinda coo
[08:08] <mebaran151> hey
[08:08] <mebaran151> it is better than MacOS pre X
[08:08] <im_high> cept it makes me change my pw everytime i login?
[08:08] <mebaran151> and probably better than X as well
[08:08] <mebaran151> im_high, that is not supposed to happen
[08:08] <mlambie> i remember hearing that there is going to be another ubuntu conference in Canberra around the time of linux.conf.au this year (April). Does anyone have any details?
[08:09] <im_high> and users and groups....type in pw...says The config could not be loaded (error running the backend script)
[08:09] <randabis> no idea
[08:09] <im_high> same with network
[08:09] <mebaran151> im_high
[08:09] <snowblink> mlambie: see the ubuntu site. I believe it's in Sydney though.
[08:09] <mebaran151> try reinstalling base-config
[08:10] <mebaran151> and then rerun it
[08:10] <im_high> tryed checkin the faq
[08:10] <im_high> ok
[08:10] <mebaran151> like boot to run level single
[08:11] <mebaran151> im_high
[08:11] <im_high> ?
[08:11] <mebaran151> have you run sudo-apt-get dist-upgrade yet
[08:11] <im_high> no
[08:11] <mebaran151> ok
[08:11] <mebaran151> see if that fixes anything
[08:11] <mebaran151> they release bug fixes all the time
[08:11] <im_high> should i run base-config first?
[08:11] <Nitrox> Hello Everyone, Newbie here to this distro
[08:11] <randabis> welcome
[08:12] <Nitrox> I got it up and Running less than 24hrs and I like it alot
[08:12] <randabis> great
[08:12] <Nitrox> Sux that 13hrs of that time I was at work
[08:12] <Halo> hello?
[08:13] <randabis> heh that could explain the time gap there. :) only distro I've ever used that took over 24 hours to setup was gentoo
[08:13] <Nitrox> Loving the Synamtic package and how easy it is to run Fluxbox
[08:13] <Halo> ok hello again?
[08:13] <randabis> hi halo
[08:13] <Halo> I tried to modprobe for my newly added rt2500 driver
[08:13] <mebaran151> Hi halo
[08:13] <mebaran151> this is not AA
[08:13] <mebaran151> heheh
[08:13] <Halo> I'm halo and I'm a windows addict :(
[08:13] <Zotnix> 24 hours to set up gentoo? Heh.. took me 48 hours
[08:13] <Zotnix> One time I compiled Open office for 3 days
[08:13] <Halo> it took me 24 hours to compile gentoo...
[08:14] <randabis> Zotnix, I said "over" :)
[08:14] <Halo> then I tried to compile kde and got a kernel panic
[08:14] <Zotnix> Oops
[08:14] <Zotnix> Okay :D
[08:14] <Halo> I tried that a couple more times... and dropped it
[08:14] <Halo> went to arch
[08:14] <Nitrox> I am thinking about getting gentoo whenever I gor AMD64
[08:14] <mebaran151> Nitrox
[08:14] <Halo> arch is nice :)
[08:14] <mebaran151> I have AMD64
[08:14] <mebaran151> I tried Gentoo
[08:14] <mebaran151> it was painful
[08:14] <Halo> anyway.... modprobe gives me the finger and says rt2500 isn't found
[08:14] <mebaran151> nothing ever compiled cleanly
[08:14] <mebaran151> except for the base system
[08:15] <mebaran151> everything else always failed half way in
[08:15] <randabis> Halo even after insmod?
[08:15] <mebaran151> so I had to start all over again
[08:15] <Halo> one thing I loved about gentoo was that the documentation was so complete
[08:15] <Halo> it's really rare these days
[08:15] <Nitrox> Mebaran151: You still using Gentoo on your AMD64
[08:15] <mebaran151> nope
[08:15] <Halo> randabis yes, I set did the insmod
[08:15] <mebaran151> I couldnt get X to compile
[08:15] <mebaran151> so I just sort of gave up
[08:15] <gobeavs> arch...pfft
[08:15] <Halo> then I rmmod ndiswrapper and tried to modprobe rt2500
[08:15] <gobeavs> ubuntu rules
[08:15] <mebaran151> I needed to use the computer you know
[08:16] <Nitrox> Strickly Ubuntu now ?
[08:16] <Halo> I use ubuntu and xp
[08:16] <Halo> trying to get away from xp entirely
[08:16] <mebaran151> I am an ubuntu, Debian, and a little XP man
[08:16] <Halo> getting used to the gimp has helped with that immensly
[08:16] <mebaran151> I also ran Slackware
[08:16] <Nitrox> i here ya.. Mepis is what got me from Windows complete
[08:16] <randabis> Halo, maybe put the module in /lib/modules somewhere, and insmod it from there then modprobe
[08:16] <gobeavs> same here Halo
[08:16] <randabis> I'm pure ubuntu
[08:16] <will> i use Ubuntu and xp- but only for games
[08:16] <Halo> I used arch to try and get some halfway real linux knowledge
[08:17] <randabis> haven't used windows in a while now
[08:17] <snowblink> randabis: I thought modprobe inserts the module
[08:17] <Halo> I installed red hat first... got a desktop and said 'ok... now what?' then booted xp again
[08:17] <Halo> Installing gentoo and then arch was enough for me to learn a bit so I could actually try and troubleshoot things
[08:17] <Nitrox> Windows I hate because I got this on my test system with is a 550Mhz and it is running like a champ..
[08:17] <gobeavs> XP for games, but I play games so much I spend more time in XP :(
[08:17] <mebaran151> you want docs
[08:17] <Halo> arch was also easy on my old thinkpad.. it was only a 500mhz machine
[08:17] <mebaran151> go to LFS
[08:17] <mebaran151> there is documentation there
[08:17] <mebaran151> there is so much documentation there
[08:17] <Halo> cedara is supposed to really help gaming in linux
[08:18] <mebaran151> I think an elephant died
[08:18] <mebaran151> twice
[08:18] <randabis> snowblink, yes, it adds and removes modules
[08:18] <gobeavs> i have cedega, doesn't work too well
[08:18] <Halo> randabis ok, I'll try that
[08:18] <gobeavs> have tried 3 things, none of them work enough to play
[08:18] <snowblink> randabis: so do you still need to use insmod?
[08:18] <SymbolicLink> Wine doesn't run Starcraft, I'm upset
[08:19] <Zotnix> Odd
[08:19] <Zotnix> I got it to run on wine
[08:19] <randabis> snowblink, yes, I believe you do...I haven't been able to get modprobe to work with a new module before doing that
[08:19] <SymbolicLink> I'll try Cedega
[08:19] <Nitrox> So i am trying to configure still little box like as a FTP Server and Webserver with PHP support so got to get mysql in background up and running
[08:19] <randabis> insmod is what actually inserts the module into the kernel
[08:19] <mebaran151> wine is soon going to have full DirectX 9
[08:19] <mebaran151> that will be hot
[08:19] <SymbolicLink> Zotnix, it runs but it's slow and sound doesn't work
[08:19] <snowblink> randabis: hmmm... man insmod seems to defer to modprobe
[08:19] <mebaran151> as the WINE Project is more thorough than Transmeta
[08:20] <mebaran151> they try to do it the right way
[08:20] <SymbolicLink> Supposedly it works, but I haven't had too much luck
[08:20] <randabis> snowblink, indeed it does... hmm
[08:20] <gobeavs> but Cedega is meant for games
[08:21] <Halo> wine should have dx9 next month, or so says the grapevine
[08:21] <randabis> that would rawk
[08:21] <gobeavs> that would be nice
[08:21] <SymbolicLink> Well, gnite
[08:21] <randabis> bbl, gonna play some more vba
[08:21] <Halo> trying to remove ndiswrapper first, then insmodding the rt2500 and then modprobing
[08:22] <Nitrox> Anyone in here ever checked out Zebra as a firewall/Router software
[08:23] <judge> what package holds the development headers so i can build kernel modules against an ubuntu kernel?
[08:23] <judge> ie how do i get the /lib/modules/2.6.10-2-386/build directory
[08:25] <upop> hi folks. I dont suppose I can go back to warty from hoary without reinstalling can I? It's just too unstable for me
[08:26] <upop> anybody?
[08:27] <Zotnix> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DowngradingFromHoaryHowTo
[08:28] <upop> Zotnix:  thanks, I'll check it out.
[08:30] <Halo> randabis that wa a no go my friend :(
[08:30] <Halo> randabis that wa a no go my friend :(
[08:30] <Halo> modprobe still says that it's not found
[08:30] <calamari> is it possible to see my local x screen remotely without using vnc?
[08:31] <Halo> but if I try to insmod it again, it says already there...
[08:31] <Halo> so it's added
[08:33] <Halo> any other ideas?
[08:33] <Halo> what sort of directories should I expect to find in /lib/modules?
[08:33] <Halo> because I've got 2 kernel sources...
[08:34] <Halo> 2.6.8.1-3 and 2.6.8.1-4 ?
[08:42] <lane> hello
[08:43] <lane> can anyone tell me the command to update packages or install packages in ubuntu
[08:43] <HrdwrBoB> synaptic
[08:43] <HrdwrBoB> it's in your administration menu
[08:44] <lane> let me find that real quick
[08:44] <Halo> halo@Goliath:/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386 $ sudo /sbin/insmod rt2500.ko
[08:44] <Halo> halo@Goliath:/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386 $ sudo modprobe rt2500.ko
[08:44] <Halo> FATAL: Module rt2500.ko not found.
[08:44] <Halo> That's exactly what I do...
[08:44] <Halo> any thoughts?
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> um
[08:45] <lane> HrdwrBob, thanks
[08:45] <snowblink> Halo: skip the .ko
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> modprobe rt2500
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> not .ko
[08:45] <Halo> odd... the readme states the .ko
[08:45] <Halo> ok, I'll try skipping it
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> Halo: for insmod yes
[08:45] <HrdwrBoB> for modprobe no
[08:51] <pvh> How can I specify the soundcard to output to with the Multimedia Systems Selector?
[08:51] <pvh> I think it should be 'alsasink device="hw:1,0"', but that doesn't parse.
[08:52] <Rattboi> I've got a semistrange question...
[08:52] <ficusplanet> Does anyone know of any current/ongoing work to use the xcomposite extension in GNOME?
[08:52] <Rattboi> can you have 2 soundcards in linux and map different apps to different soundcards?
[08:52] <lane> so, i suppose Ubuntu comes with servers and development tools... it does, doesn't it
[08:52] <pvh> Rattboi: Yes.
[08:52] <pvh> Rattboi: But it's miserably awful.
[08:53] <pvh> Rattboi: Basically, one of your cards is going to be hw:0,0 and the other will be hw:1,0.
[08:53] <Rattboi> is there an easy way to implement it?
[08:53] <Rattboi> like wrapping them in different mixers?
[08:53] <pvh> Rattboi: Not really. It's a pain in the ass, and I'm still struggling with it.
[08:53] <Rattboi> damn
[08:54] <Rattboi> dualhead video is so easy in some ways, why not dualhead sound?
[08:54] <pvh> Rattboi: And there's minimal documentation.
[08:54] <HaloGray> ok... that didn't work either
[08:54] <Rattboi> that sucks
[08:54] <Rattboi> it'd be great for say... a car computer
[08:54] <Rattboi> stereo to one sound card, dvd to the other in the back
[08:55] <HaloGray>  halo@Goliath:/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386 $ sudo /sbin/insmod rt2500.ko
[08:55] <HaloGray> halo@Goliath:/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386 $ sudo modprobe rt2500
[08:55] <HaloGray> FATAL: Module rt2500 not found.
[08:55] <pvh> Rattboi: It isn't too bad on an application-by-application basis.
[08:56] <Rattboi> it seems like you should be able to use 2 mixers to do it
[08:56] <pvh> Rattboi: you can
[08:56] <pvh> Rattboi: Do you have a computer with two cards?
[08:56] <HaloGray> any other ideas?
[08:56] <Rattboi> no, not atm
[08:56] <HaloGray> could all the ndis configs be screwing with this?
[08:56] <Rattboi> I was just wondering about it, since there's NO way to do it in windows, afaik
[08:57] <pvh> Rattboi: Oh, it's easy.
[08:57] <Rattboi> in windows?
[08:57] <pvh> Rattboi: oh yeah
[08:57] <Rattboi> huh
[08:57] <pvh> Rattboi: Winamp can be set to output to a specific application.
[08:57] <pvh> Rattboi: Then you just set your default output to the other card.
[08:57] <pvh> Rattboi: Used to do it all the time.
[08:57] <Rattboi> I guess I figured that the support wouldn't be there...
[08:58] <Rattboi> but that's still app-to-ap
[08:58] <snowblink> HaloGray: uname -r
[08:59] <Rattboi> Man, I wish I could find my gf's OSX cds
[08:59] <Rattboi> then I could dualboot OSX and Ubuntu on her Ibook g4
[08:59] <Rattboi> I tried the hoary live cd, and it worked great
[08:59] <Rattboi> sound was a little strange
[08:59] <Rattboi> volume, that is
[09:00] <Rattboi> I think I've always had a few sound bumps with ubuntu though
[09:07] <pussfeller> now, what exactly do i do to get flash and mp3, etc... its unclear to me
[09:07] <kzm> Good morning!
[09:07] <jeavis> HI, How I can expel one cd from my cd-rom with a instruction from tem?
[09:08] <pussfeller> eject
[09:08] <pussfeller> if its installed
[09:09] <jeavis> and to inpur
[09:09] <jeavis> yes
[09:10] <jeavis> pussfeller: if i want to put a cd in my cd rom what instrucion use
[09:10] <pussfeller> jeavis, all i know about is the eject command, I dont know how to load it
[09:10] <pussfeller> tho there must be one
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> eject
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> eject -t
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> will close the tray (if possible)
[09:11] <pussfeller> yeah that makes sense
[09:11] <HrdwrBoB> not all drives support it
[09:12] <jeavis> thank
[09:14] <mebaran151> just run eject
[09:14] <mebaran151> with the cdrom drive open
[09:14] <mebaran151> and it will close it
[09:14] <mebaran151> I believe
[09:14] <mebaran151> if you want it to mount
[09:14] <mebaran151> it should mount auto mount
[09:14] <mebaran151> or just mount /dev/hda or whatever should cut the trick
[09:15] <kzm> Houston, I have a problem.
[09:16] <kzm> When I start up, the fonts etc in the menus are not correct, and some icons are missing in the menus (in particular the keyboard config icon).  When I click it, the kbd dialog pops up, and the fonts are magically fixed.  Any idea?  Anybody?
[09:17] <Emanuelez> hello *
[09:17] <mebaran151> I am sleepy
[09:17] <mebaran151> all you guys
[09:17] <mebaran151> I am out
[09:18] <Emanuelez> what do u have to install to have gcc 3.4? both gcc and gcc-3.4?
[09:18] <kzm> And besides: anybody manage to switch windows with Win-TAB (instead of Alt-Tab)?
[09:19] <Emanuelez> kzm: don't really know :-S
[09:21] <jeavis> hi, I have a problem with my xine, every time that I want to use gnome restars, some body know why?
[09:21] <kzm> Quite weird, I think.
[09:21] <kzm> And one more thing: how do I change the /%&# menus?
[09:23] <Rattboi> which menu is that?
[09:23] <kzm> Emanuelez - did you try just apt-get'ting gcc-3.4?
[09:33] <wmealing_> just wondering, /me tips his hat
[09:34] <wmealing_> does the hoarey live cd for PPC work ?
[09:39] <im_high> much better
[09:39] <kzm> Hi again
[09:39] <siimo> hi
[09:39] <im_high> simple re install with inet
[09:39] <shock> hoi
[09:39] <im_high> :)
[09:40] <kzm> I suppose it's a good idea to run gnome-session....that fixed my font problem, as well as the Win-Tab window switching thing.
[09:40] <kzm> So now y'all know.
[09:40] <im_high> nice
[09:40] <Emanuelez> how do i request panotools and enblend to be put in the repositories?
[09:44] <rob_m> when will kde work again...
[09:45] <rob_m> and mono too.
[09:53] <im_high> kzm how would running another instance of a session improve your font
[09:54] <pepperpot> is it possible to get a hoary package while staying in warty?
[09:57] <zenrox> pepperpot,  no
[09:57] <zenrox> it will break warty
[10:03] <prego> Which filesystems do you recommend for a USB-flash drive?
[10:03] <Rattboi> Reiser :P
[10:03] <prego> Rattboi, It is the one I have ;-)
[10:04] <prego> Rattboi, however, they say that the number of writes is limited at USB-flash drives
[10:04] <prego> Rattboi, so the journal thing is not a good thing for a USB-flash... Is that right??
[10:05] <Rattboi> for my purposes, it seems a little overkill
[10:05] <flodin> perhaps a log based file system
[10:05] <Rattboi> I'd just use fat32, but that's because I want it to be usable wherever I go
[10:06] <flodin> nah bad idea
[10:06] <prego> Rattboi, I have created 2 partitions so I have fat32 and reiser
[10:06] <Rattboi> huh
[10:06] <flodin> a partitioned usb drive? sheesh
[10:06] <flodin> what the hell are you going to use it for?
[10:06] <Rattboi> I wouldn't have thought that windows would support multi-partitioned USB flash
[10:08] <flodin> but why
[10:08] <Rattboi> yeah, it's all based on context
[10:10] <prego> flodin, 1st partition to share data with windows machines. 2nd partition, to backup my data and share with Linux machines
[10:10] <prego> Rattboi, Windows only sees the first one ;-)
[10:11] <Rattboi> I don't see why you'd need something like Reiser
[10:11] <prego> Rattboi, ext2 was very slow when writting
[10:12] <flodin> prego: but fat32 is understood by linux also
[10:12] <prego> Rattboi, I think it is something related to the kernel version. In fact reiserfs is fast in ubuntu but slow in SuSE
[10:12] <prego> flodin, I want to have symlinks, etc.
[10:12] <prego> flodin, and each user have hers directory
[10:12] <flodin> haha
[10:12] <Rattboi> prego, are you putting more than data on there?
[10:12] <prego> flodin, with her own permissions
[10:13] <prego> Rattboi, software development trees
[10:13] <flodin> permissions aren't worth shit when they're on a removable drive
[10:13] <prego> flodin, unless you know hom you lend the stick
[10:13] <flodin> right
[10:14] <prego> so, can I disable journaling in reiser?
[10:14] <Rattboi> disabling journaling in reiser?
[10:14] <Rattboi> why use reiser then?
[10:14] <Rattboi> did you try ext3?
[10:15] <Rattboi> in actuality, I've never used ext3, so I don't know about performance, etc
[10:16] <Bigglez> Evolution question: Is there any way to have an icon signify new email in the taskbar?
[10:16] <flodin> i've used reiser and my impression is that it's not yet trustworthy for unreliable drives
[10:16] <prego> Rattboi, the problem is that with ext3/ext2 for some reason the stick behaves slow
[10:16] <flodin> i ended up with some directories that caused a kernel panic every time i tried to view / delete them
[10:16] <prego> Rattboi, I also tested udf, but I didn't manage :-((
[10:16] <Twentyone> Bigglez: I don't think there's a applet for that.. but you could use a mailboxChecker
[10:17] <Rattboi> prego, so are you having issues with Reiser?
[10:17] <Rattboi> if it's working best for you, maybe you should just stick with it
[10:17] <prego> Rattboi, none ;-) but I am scared about reducing the operating life of the stick
[10:17] <Zindar> bigglez: not yet I think
[10:18] <Rattboi> even though it's a bit weird
[10:18] <Bigglez> Twentyone: I have gkrellm, how would I get it to detect mail in evo?
[10:18] <shock> *grml* - the mapping of my mousebuttons just refuses to work
[10:18] <shock> *grml*
[10:18] <Twentyone> shock: don't use a mac mouse ;) there's no button ;)
[10:18] <Rattboi> afaik, flash is good for at least 20000 writes to each sector
[10:18] <prego> Rattboi, in fact, with reiser, the stick behaves almost twice speed than with fat ???
[10:19] <Twentyone> Bigglez: Don't know.; I don't know/think there's a plugin for that
[10:19] <prego> Rattboi, 20000 writes to journal area may be not so much
[10:19] <Rattboi> true, true
 <- actually mappen button2 successfully to fn-alt
[10:20] <shock> but fn-ctrl wont be button3 :(
[10:20] <prego> Rattboi, wich leads me to two questions: a) is it possible to disable journal in reiser? b) how can I enable "noatime" option at mount? (at automagic mount)
[10:20] <rob_m> yeay i finally figured out how to get gmane to work
[10:20] <Bigglez> Ok - thanks anyway
[10:20] <Twentyone> shock: arf :/
[10:22] <shock> 21: barf
[10:22] <shock> :)
[10:22] <Twentyone> :)
[10:22] <Twentyone> shock: I see you know SpaceBalls ;)
[10:22] <shock> :P u dont say
[10:23] <prego> Rattboi, flodin, if you know spanish, you may see what I've done at "www.barrapunto.com/~prego/journal
[10:23] <Bigglez> Xmms question: Is there some way to setup a shortcut key to pause/play?
[10:24] <shock> what do i have to restart to reread /etc/sysctl.conf ?
[10:25] <shock> brb
[10:27] <Bigglez> Retry : Xmms question: Is there some way to setup a shortcut key to pause/play?
[10:27] <Rattboi> Bigglez, like global hotkeys?
[10:28] <Rattboi> http://forum.xmms.org/viewtopic.php?t=700
[10:28] <Rattboi> http://members.optushome.com.au/a.nielsen/
[10:29] <Rattboi> btw, have you ever tried Beep?
[10:29] <Rattboi> it's basically xmms, with a GTK2 interface
[10:29] <Rattboi> looks a lot nicer
[10:29] <Rattboi> although I did compile it myself, to get the old equalizer
[10:30] <Rattboi> I don't much like the new equalizer, even if it is more "accurate"
[10:33] <Bigglez> Ratboi : is 'global hotkeys' some kind of app I can install?
[10:34] <George_Guy> Hi guys....I am trying to compile gftp and get error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[10:34] <Rattboi> Bigglez, it's more of a concept
[10:35] <Bigglez> George: Go look at http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[10:35] <Zindar> george: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[10:35] <Bigglez> George : You need to install gcc I think
[10:35] <Rattboi> but if you checked those links, it's what you're looking for
[10:35] <Rattboi> xmms-hotkey
[10:35] <Bigglez> Ratboi - ok - is there some kind of global hotkeys thing? KDE had it built-in
[10:36] <Bigglez> Kewl - I'm cheking those links thanls
[10:36] <Bigglez> thanks - I mean...
[10:36] <Zindar> or if it's essential without s? :)
[10:36] <George_Guy> ok, how do I install gcc?
[10:36] <Rattboi> apt-get gcc
[10:37] <Rattboi> actually, I think Zindar should be right
[10:37] <Bigglez> Georg: Go to that link and read!
[10:37] <Rattboi> sudo apt-get install build-essentials should include gcc
[10:37] <Zindar> just run apt-get install build-essentials and wait until it's done.. then retry
[10:38] <Zindar> it's named "build-essential".. not "build-essentials" I just doublechecked
[10:38] <randabis-laptop> isn't gftp already a package though?
[10:38] <Rattboi> yeah
[10:38] <Rattboi> it is
[10:38] <Bigglez> OK - off to compile xmms hotkeys. anyone know of a .deb file?
[10:39] <zenrox> Bigglez,  its in the repos
[10:39] <randabis-laptop> then I fail to see the reason to compile gftp
[10:40] <randabis-laptop> unless he needs a bleeding edge version for some reason
[10:40] <zenrox> Bigglez,  also too gnome will use the extrakeys on a keyboard and pass them to xmms
[10:40] <Rattboi> zenrox, out of the box?
[10:40] <Bigglez> zenrox: 'sfunny - I thought I had them all enabled and yet a search comes up empty
[10:40] <Rattboi> I wish I could check, but I'm on a windows box atm
[10:40] <Rattboi> at work
[10:40] <zenrox> Bigglez,  got to your gnome keyboard set up
[10:41] <George_Guy> can anyone email me a compiled version of gftp that works?
[10:41] <Rattboi> man, I can't wait to get my mac mini + ubuntu :)
[10:41] <Rattboi> George_Guy, what about gftp in the repos?
[10:41] <Rattboi> I've never had a problem with it
[10:42] <Bigglez> zenrox : you mean the Computer->Desk pref->key shortcuts? Cos that don't work properly
[10:42] <zenrox> works just fine for my keyboard
[10:42] <George_Guy> repos? sorry, I am a extreme newbie to linux, baby steps please, lol
[10:42] <Bigglez> ok - thanks all, brb
[10:43] <Rattboi> George_Guy, there's this thing called apt-get
[10:43] <randabis-laptop> George_Guy, synaptic
[10:43] <Rattboi> or synaptic :)
[10:43] <Rattboi> it's used to install software across the internet
[10:43] <Rattboi> the software is available from places called repositories
[10:43] <Rattboi> software repositories
[10:43] <Rattboi> for example, if you wanna use command-line, you can do this for gftp
[10:44] <Rattboi> "sudo apt-get install gftp"
[10:44] <Rattboi> then you have gftp
[10:44] <Rattboi> it's that easy
[10:44] <zenrox> with out the quotes tho
[10:44] <Rattboi> lol
[10:44] <Rattboi> yes
[10:44] <George_Guy> mmmm...I have tried it but after entering my password it dissapears and nothing after that??
[10:45] <Rattboi> synaptic or command-line?
[10:45] <randabis-laptop> it disappears? ...
[10:45] <zenrox> it shouldent do that
[10:45] <zenrox> it should at least give an error
[10:46] <George_Guy> synaptic package manager
[10:46] <randabis-laptop> try command line then
[10:46] <randabis-laptop> it's faster anyway
[10:48] <George_Guy> ok I get an error 'user is not in sudoers file'
[10:48] <randabis-laptop> ...
[10:54] <wiebel_> morning
[10:54] <niptac> I checked for updates to gaim in synaptic and it says that there is a version "1:1.1.0-1-warty+backportedfrom-ubuntu-hoary1" is this right? is it safe to update to this one?
[10:55] <wiebel_> is there any way to edit the kde menu with ubuntu? it seems kmenuedit wont work, any changes wont show up in the menu
[10:55] <zenrox> niptac,  i wouldent use backports
[10:56] <George_Guy> how do I add myself as a sudoer user?
[10:56] <prego> Who automagically mounts the pendrives? is it "udev"?
[10:56] <wiebel_> visudo
[10:56] <zenrox> George_Guy, go read www.ubuntuforums.org
[10:58] <randabis-laptop> strange that he isn't already a sudoer though
[10:58] <zenrox> randabis-laptop, probly created another account out side of the installer
[10:59] <wiebel_> no one here running kde on ubuntu? :)
[10:59] <zenrox> not me
[10:59] <zenrox> gnome all the way
[10:59] <Rattboi> nope
[10:59] <Rattboi> gnome rocks big ass
[10:59] <cast> e!
[11:00] <randabis-laptop> zenrox, yeah, didn't think of that :)
[11:00] <randabis-laptop> XFCE here
[11:00] <zenrox> i havent tried to get that xfce to work yet
[11:00] <zenrox> but one of these days i will
[11:01] <randabis-laptop> it's easy with the graphical installers at os works
[11:01] <niptac> zenrox: I just went to ubuntu unofficial starter guide and from there I included in sources.list all the lines including the one from backports, so do you suggest I delete this one line from sources.list? and do apt-get update?
[11:01] <wiebel_> well i like kde just a little more :)
[11:01] <zenrox> niptac,  yep
[11:02] <niptac> ok
[11:02] <wiebel_> but that's taste
[11:02] <zenrox> randabis-laptop,  point me in the right way
[11:02] <George_Guy> Anyone got an idea how I add myself as a sudoers user, every time I try install it says I am not a sudoers user
[11:03] <wiebel_> 10:56 <wiebel_> visudo
[11:03] <wiebel_> as root
[11:03] <randabis-laptop> www.xfce.org
[11:03] <randabis-laptop> click graphical installers
[11:03] <zenrox> ok thx randabis-laptop
[11:04] <randabis-laptop> you'll need to install the dependencies before they will work though
[11:04] <zenrox> i fegured that
[11:05] <randabis-laptop> you'll need glib2and gtk2, along with their development libraries, libxpm-dev, libdbh, libdbh-dev, and a couple of others I believe
[11:05] <randabis-laptop> a2ps is another
[11:05] <zenrox> i have that allready installed
[11:06] <randabis-laptop> it tells you what you're missing once you are able to start the graphical installer
[11:06] <zenrox> i like to compile a few apps i like to keep bleeding edge and thay happen to use gnome dev libs
[11:06] <randabis-laptop> it doesn't let you proceed without the dependencies, so you can just hit hack, install the deps, then hit next again
[11:06] <randabis-laptop> cool
[11:06] <niptac> zerox I deleted it and updated and it doesnt show the newer version from backport only from official port
[11:07] <zenrox> niptac,  now got to gaim.sf.net
[11:07] <zenrox> get the deb and install that
[11:07] <zenrox> or get the source and compile it your self
[11:08] <zenrox> if your so inclinded
[11:08] <niptac> zenrox you dont suggest I do apt-get upgrade gaim?
[11:08] <wiebel_> hmm
[11:09] <zenrox> thats the older ver of gaim in warty
[11:09] <wiebel_> how can i edit the menu entries in the gnome start menu? :)
[11:09] <zenrox> the ver is now 1.1.2
[11:09] <zenrox> gaim updates every 2 weeks or so
[11:09] <niptac> zenrox does it go only for warty or other software as well like xchat?
[11:10] <prego> wiebel_, point nautilus to applications:// and create launchers directly there (or at subfolders)
[11:10] <niptac> sorry does it only go for gaim I meant
[11:10] <wiebel_> ah
[11:10] <wiebel_> thenx
[11:10] <zenrox> niptac, ya prety much only gaim
[11:10] <niptac> zenrox ok cool thanks
[11:10] <zenrox> xchat and others dont updat as fast
[11:10] <prego> wiebel_, it will only apply to current user, thought
[11:10] <zenrox> gaim you must keep up to date
[11:11] <wiebel_> ah ok
[11:11] <niptac> I thought warty was up to date system
[11:11] <wiebel_> prego: what about the shared menu?
[11:11] <zenrox> it was when it was releaced
[11:11] <zenrox> gaim up dated 2ce
[11:11] <niptac> ok
[11:11] <zenrox> gaim seems to have massive devlopers worken on it
[11:12] <zenrox> now if we can lure some of them from thare to ubuntu
[11:12] <zenrox> lol
[11:12] <prego> wiebel_, not sure, I guess that adding launchers modifies only a local user copy
[11:12] <niptac> this version of gaim in warty seems to have a bug
[11:12] <randabis-laptop> hoary is the bleeding edge :) for the most part anyway
[11:12] <randabis-laptop> featurefreeze is soon
[11:12] <zenrox> ya
[11:12] <niptac> hoary is like sid
[11:12] <zenrox> cant waite
[11:12] <zenrox> no
[11:13] <zenrox> hoary and like sid
[11:13] <zenrox> and=ant
[11:13] <randabis-laptop> hoary isn't like sid
[11:13] <randabis-laptop> they are kinda similar, but hoary is something different now
[11:13] <niptac> I had sid b4 and it was quiet stable
[11:13] <niptac> hoary is kde?
[11:13] <zenrox> hoary is quite satble
[11:14] <randabis-laptop> no, hoary is not kde...
[11:14] <niptac> warty gnome
[11:14] <zenrox> hoary gnome
[11:14] <niptac> no?
[11:14] <zenrox> ubuntu = gnome
[11:14] <randabis-laptop> universe has kde
[11:14] <niptac> ohh I see
[11:14] <zenrox> kubuntu will be ubuntu+kde
[11:14] <zenrox> some day
[11:15] <randabis-laptop> kubuntu is being developed within hoary
[11:15] <niptac> another distro?
[11:15] <niptac> kubuntu?
[11:15] <randabis-laptop> I don't think so
[11:15] <zenrox> randabis-laptop, true
[11:15] <niptac> so after hoary comes out warty will go?
[11:15] <zenrox> the guy that founded ubuntu is trying to encurage kubuntu to strik out on its own
[11:16] <wiebel_> prego:
[11:16] <wiebel_> "applications:///" is not a valid location.
[11:16] <randabis-laptop> warty will still receive security updates for another year after hoary is out
[11:16] <niptac> I really like ubuntu
[11:16] <zenrox> after that better dist-upgrade
[11:16] <randabis-laptop> but most people will probably update to hoary
[11:16] <bestadvocate> hello
[11:16] <zenrox> hoary rocks and is pretty sollid allready
[11:17] <randabis-laptop> yep
[11:17] <randabis-laptop> I have it on 3 systems :)
[11:17] <bestadvocate> hey you guys know if the packages on marillat work on AMD 64s?
[11:17] <zenrox> my fileserve =warty
[11:17] <prego> wiebel_, weird, it is for me ????
[11:17] <zenrox> dint wnat the probs of hoary on it yet
[11:17] <wiebel_> strange
[11:18] <randabis-laptop> unless marilliat has made 64bit packages, I doubt it
[11:18] <prego> wiebel_, make sure you are updated....
[11:18] <randabis-laptop> wiebel_, what version do you run?
[11:18] <wiebel_> prego: i am
[11:18] <prego> wiebel_, I'm in Warty
[11:18] <wiebel_> i'm in hurray
[11:18] <randabis-laptop> that's why you can't change menus like that
[11:18] <prego> oh
[11:18] <niptac> so hoary will be a more up to date gnome?
[11:18] <randabis-laptop> hoary has changed
[11:18] <randabis-laptop> niptac, Gnome 2.10
[11:19] <wiebel_> there still should be a way to edit you menu's i presume :)
[11:19] <randabis-laptop> wiebel_, there is, but it is not easy
[11:19] <wiebel_> strange
[11:19] <wiebel_> but tell me ;)
[11:19] <randabis-laptop> I don't know how exactly...I've just heard about it. I don't use gnome
[11:19] <wiebel_> heh ok :)
[11:20] <wiebel_> well it seems kde uses the same menus as gnome
[11:20] <wiebel_> that's way i asked
[11:25] <bestadvocate> i hope dvds will work i want to watch empire strikes back
[11:25] <zenrox> bestadvocate,  you have gxine installed + libdvdcss
[11:26] <cast> well, youll need to get around the dodgy encryption
[11:26] <bestadvocate> its getting the repositorys to work thats often the problem
[11:26] <cast> can one take a ubuntu install and replace all the apt sources with debian testing sources without everything exploding?
[11:26] <bestadvocate> and I am hopeless when it comes to compiling (why I'm on ubuntu)
[11:27] <bestadvocate> cast: i have heard of it being done with little incident
[11:27] <zenrox> cast no it will expload in to a million peces too
[11:27] <cast> oh, random question: does stock kernel come with dmcrypt enabled?
[11:28] <waxhead> hi everyone
[11:28] <zenrox> cast dont know
[11:28] <bestadvocate> heya waxy
[11:28] <zenrox> whts that for
[11:28] <cast> block device encryption
[11:28] <zenrox> like loopback
[11:29] <cast> indeed, only not using cryptoloop
[11:29] <zenrox> probly not then
[11:29] <bestadvocate> wow i think synaptic crashed on me
[11:29] <waxhead> what's with ircnet these days?  I can't seem to connect anymore.. pity, coz the #linux was always fun..
[11:29] <bestadvocate> go figure
[11:29] <cast> zenrox: you have a stock kernel?
[11:29] <zenrox> yep
[11:30] <zenrox> hoary stock kernel
[11:30] <zenrox> but ya stock
[11:30] <cast> zenrox: mind running cat /proc/crypto |grep name|awk '{print $3}'|tr "\n" " "?
[11:30] <zenrox> came back with md5
[11:31] <zenrox> thats what you wanted to know
[11:31] <cast> indeed.
[11:32] <zenrox> welp i am off to bed
[11:32] <cast> what about ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/crypto|tr "\n" " "?
[11:32] <zenrox> night all
[11:32] <bestadvocate> night dude
[11:32] <cast> bah, alright. night dude
[11:32] <zenrox> ill run that then off to bed
[11:33] <zenrox> anubis.ko arc4.ko blowfish.ko cast5.ko cast6.ko crc32c.ko crypto_null.ko deflate.ko des.ko khazad.ko md4.ko michael_mic.ko serpent.ko sha1.ko sha256.ko sha512.ko tcrypt.ko tea.ko twofish.ko wp512.ko
[11:33] <zenrox> thare ya got cast
[11:33] <cast> ahh, cheers :>
[11:33] <zenrox> night
[11:36] <jono> hi all, is inotify included in the default ubuntu kernels?
[11:53] <wmealing> anyone know if the ppc live CD boots ?
[12:10] <scoon> hey all, are there cpu specific deb's besides kernel's and gcc ?
[12:11] <scoon> for example, would there be firefox-i686.deb and firefox-i386.deb ?
[12:12] <Lathiat> scoon: not generally, they are usually only made where it really counts
[12:12] <scoon> Lathiat, thank you.  I thought that, but just wanted to double check.
[12:13] <Lathiat> scoon: in general it doesnt make much of a difference
[12:13] <cast> apt-build might be something you want to look into
[12:13] <cast> not that id bother personally, for some imaginary practical difference :>
[12:13] <cast> [if this were #gentoo id be being flamed right now :x] 
[12:14] <Lathiat> you would never have made it in the door in the frist place
[12:14] <Lathiat> they can smell those binary packagers from a mile away!
[12:17] <Kyuuketsuki> ubuntu 64 sucks!!!
[12:17] <Parallax> hi anyone can tell me a web where i can read about sharing my internet with ubuntu??
[12:17] <Kyuuketsuki> i cant get into GDM and it messed up GRUB
[12:17] <niptac> does anyone know of any medical software for ubuntu?
[12:18] <Setite>  why did it mess up grub
[12:18] <cast> niptac: i think theres a medical distro, based off debian, might be a live cd [/OT] 
[12:18] <Setite> ubuntu32 has no problems
[12:18] <Setite> a medical distro
[12:18] <Setite> wtf
[12:18] <niptac> cast: wow cool do you know the name of the distro?
[12:18] <cast> hey, dont ask me, i just read the descript :x
[12:19] <Setite> im reinstalling ubuntu64 for the 3rd time so i can select a really low resolution...
[12:19] <Setite> anyone know how i can fix GRUB once i get it running
[12:19] <cast> lmao, no, unfortunately ive forgotten. have no use for such things see :/
[12:19] <niptac> I heard once of GnuMed but cant find it in synaptic anywhere
[12:20] <Setite> whats medical about it
[12:21] <cast> Setite: i have little idea,
[12:21] <Setite> do you know how to repair grub
[12:21] <cast> niptac: get the source and make your own .deb, its easy :>
[12:21] <Setite> my choices are to repair it or wipe the drive and give up on ubuntu
[12:21] <cast> Setite: id just reinstall grub in the mbr
[12:21] <Setite> because i need mym windows
[12:21] <cast> Setite: need for what?
[12:22] <Setite> gaming
[12:22] <Setite> cedega doesnt have surround sound
[12:22] <Setite> not for games
[12:22] <cast> pffffft.
[12:22] <Setite> hey im used to playing CS in surround sound... it wont be the same without it
[12:23] <niptac> here it is I think I found it cast: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med/
[12:23] <Bonghi> Hi all, I'm partitioning... may I ask some questions?
[12:24] <snowblink> niptac: apt-cache search med
[12:24] <niptac> good idea ;)
[12:24] <cast> aptitude search med- even :o
[12:24] <Bonghi> I'm trying to overwrite a fedora core 3 installation in a dual boot with win2000
[12:25] <cast> good call, i never noticed that. only searched for medicine and medic
[12:25] <Gusto_> Bonghi: overwrite it with what?
[12:25] <Setite> win2k
[12:25] <Setite> fc3 sucks
[12:25] <Setite> ha
[12:26] <Bonghi> I would like Ubuntu... (i have the 5.4 installer)
[12:26] <Setite> plus windows nemesis 2.0 is actually quite good considering
[12:26] <randabis-laptop> haven't used windows in a while
[12:27] <stuNNed> Setite: considering what?
[12:28] <Setite> that it is windows xp
[12:28] <Setite> its a stripped and streamlined windows xp
[12:28] <Bonghi> now i have 3 partitions on ide1: #1 ntfs 80 gig #2 ext3(booter) 110 meg #3 lvm 42 gig
[12:28] <Setite> optimized to hell
[12:29] <stuNNed> Setite: and what does ubuntu linux have to do with a stripped down streamlined windows xp?
[12:29] <Setite> nothing
[12:29] <Setite> and i would like to install ubuntu 64... but if i cant grub to let me run windows then ubuntu has to go
[12:29] <cast> Bonghi: microsoft wrote a remving linux howto. read that perhaps
[12:29] <Setite> cant get grub*
[12:30] <Setite> i may have to... i want to dual boot... especially to play games in cedega... but i want windows too...
[12:30] <Bonghi> If i delete partition #3 is there any way to set ubuntu recognize #2 as space for the booter and use free space in #3 for new installation?
[12:30] <stuNNed> Bonghi: sure
[12:31] <Bonghi> cast: i don't want to get rid of linux: I just got in the game!
[12:32] <cast> Bonghi: oh, i thought you meant overwrite it with win2k, but that was Setite's comment not yours
[12:32] <randabis-laptop> you could leave the current paritition alone Bonghi...you just need to format them and set the mount points
[12:32] <Setite> me neither... i like ubuntu... i have ubuntu32 on my shit rig and i like it...
[12:32] <randabis-laptop> just format 2 and 3
[12:32] <Setite> but certain things are too difficult in linux at the present time
[12:32] <randabis-laptop> and set the mount points of /boot and /
[12:33] <cast> Bonghi: indeed, dont fsck with the partitions, just mkfs again
[12:33] <stuNNed> Setite: then RTFM
[12:33] <Setite> rtfm means nothing more than rtfm to me
[12:33] <randabis-laptop> I think you should make a home partition too, but that's my own preference
[12:34] <Bonghi> should I prepare those partitions before entering the installer (via some live-cd) or does it hadle it?
[12:34] <Setite> i have ubuntu 64... and a bfg 6800gt...
[12:34] <Setite> i cannot get x-server to run
[12:35] <randabis-laptop> Bonghi, it handles it
[12:35] <hizz> hey does anyone know how to get the gaim icon back in the taskbar?
[12:35] <randabis-laptop> just do manual partitioning
[12:35] <snowblink> hizz: add notifications applet
[12:35] <stuNNed> hizz: think it's in the gaim prefs
[12:35] <Setite> how do i reconfigure xserver or repair it or update it from the doslike CLI
[12:35] <hizz> oh notifications
[12:35] <stuNNed> Setite: did you try installing the nvidia 64 drivers?
[12:35] <hizz> ahh thanks =)
[12:35] <Setite> im not sure
[12:36] <Setite> just ran the installer
[12:36] <randabis-laptop> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:36] <Setite> i figured it would automatically work to some degree
[12:36] <Bonghi> ok, then I remove both #2 and #3 then have it use the free space as default. Correct?
[12:36] <stuNNed> Setite: afaik there are 32bit drivers and 64bit drivers as well =)
[12:36] <Setite> ah thats the command i couldnt remember
[12:36] <Setite> dpkg-reconfigure
[12:36] <Setite> xorg?
[12:36] <Setite> not xfree86
[12:36] <Setite> i am using warty
[12:36] <randabis-laptop> Bonghi, you don't need to remove them, you only need to format them and set the mount points
[12:37] <Setite> from the free printed cd
[12:37] <randabis-laptop> xfree86 then
[12:37] <hizz> should i use dpkg or apt-build to compile from source?
[12:37] <Setite> ok
[12:37] <socketbind> howdy, I can't print any job that is over around >600kbytes under cups
[12:37] <socketbind> i had the same problems on the previous distros
[12:38] <socketbind> i have a HP PSC 750
[12:38] <scoon> is there a "preferred" way to switch from gcc3.3.5 to gcc3.4.4, all i did was change where /usr/bin/gcc points.
[12:38] <Bonghi> I go and check the installer to see if I'm able to set mount points. Is there anything I could read?
[12:38] <stuNNed> socketbind: did you check cups config files for print size limit or something?
[12:38] <socketbind> foomatic generated a ppd file for it
[12:38] <socketbind> hmm
[12:38] <socketbind> now you mentioned :D
[12:38] <stuNNed> Bonghi: it's pretty automatic in teh installer, no?
[12:39] <stuNNed> socketbind: might be a security issue or something or a feature =)
[12:39] <socketbind> :D
[12:39] <chrissturm> is there a nice mysql frontend in ubuntu that can execute queries?
[12:39] <socketbind> i had the very same problem with previous distros
[12:39] <socketbind> the very same
[12:39] <Bonghi> I don't know... never installed ubuntu before ;-)
[12:40] <Hwolf> When will the next array be out?
[12:40] <stuNNed> chrissturm: phpmyadmin afaik but would't use it for security reasons, up to you though
[12:40] <stuNNed> Bonghi: yes, the installer does it for you then.
[12:40] <socketbind> so i don't know what to do with it, i never fixed this issue
[12:40] <chrissturm> stunned: i would prefer a gtk app to a webapp
[12:40] <scoon> chrissturm, how about phpMyAdmin
[12:40] <socketbind> no limit is set
[12:40] <stuNNed> chrissturm: i'm sure there is, saw one somewhere, just can't remember.
[12:40] <zeedo> chrissturm: http://www.mysqlfront.de/
[12:40] <chrissturm> is mergeant any good?
[12:40] <Bonghi> ok... i go and try! (on an other pc) thanks
[12:41] <stuNNed> Bonghi: good luck!
[12:41] <scoon> chrissturm, what about by CLI ?
[12:41] <socketbind> hmm any idea? there is no limit on the size of the jobs
[12:41] <socketbind> KLimit 0
[12:41] <Bonghi> may the "ubuntu" be with me... :-)
[12:41] <stuNNed> socketbind: did you check the cups logfiles, they are pretty verbose.
[12:41] <stuNNed> Bonghi: LOL :)
[12:42] <socketbind> i don't see any errors...
[12:42] <scoon> is there a "preferred" way to switch from gcc3.3.5 to gcc3.4.4, all i did was change where /usr/bin/gcc points.
[12:42] <socketbind> oh there's something
[12:42] <socketbind> PID 7563 stopped with status 3
[12:42] <socketbind> hmm i'll raise the debug level
[12:43] <Setite> ok xserver still wont run
[12:43] <Setite> or GDM
[12:44] <stuNNed> socketbind: also there is a cups web frontend, something like http://127.0.0.1:631 afaik
[12:44] <hizz> ive seen screenshots of really nice linux desktops with an irc client basically integrated into the desktop, anyone know which one can do that?
[12:44] <Setite> stunned any ideas
[12:45] <stuNNed> Setite: install amd64 drivers, modprobe nvidia, then run 'X -configure' maybe?
[12:45] <Setite> it goes bla
[12:45] <Setite> ok how do i install them...
[12:45] <Setite> from CLI
[12:45] <cast> hizz: irssi running in a transparent eterm with its wm stacking set to bottom and sticky?
[12:45] <stuNNed> Setite: all of this in console, of course
[12:45] <hizz> um, exactly =)
[12:45] <cast> oh, and of course with its window border turned off
[12:45] <hizz> ill try that
[12:45] <stuNNed> Setite: keys ctrl+alt+f1 then kill your x session from there
[12:45] <socketbind> i see a bunch of aborted jobs on the frontend, i already knew stuNNed, now i'm anaylising the error file
[12:45] <socketbind> raised the log level to debug
[12:46] <cast> hizz: irssi in a transparent eterm, is nice at any rate :>
[12:46] <Setite> what command to install amd64 drivers
[12:46] <randabis-laptop> aterm, and Terminal also do that...gnome-terminal does too to an extent
[12:46] <hizz> =)
[12:47] <stuNNed> Setite: read the README that comes with the drivers, did you install amd64 ubuntu or i386?
[12:47] <Setite> amd64ubuntu
[12:47] <Setite> i ordered 10 of each
[12:47] <stuNNed> Setite: and if you choose to use the nvidia installer make sure you don't have ubuntu's nvidia packages installed.
[12:47] <cast> not that i use x...or anything filthly like that... *hides and watchs movie with mplayer -vo fbdev*
[12:48] <Setite> ill choose whatever works... and is easiest as im not all the good at this
[12:48] <Setite> that*
[12:48] <Setite> has anyone had this problem
[12:48] <Setite> i dotn see why it wont run with whatever installs by default
[12:49] <randabis-laptop> Setite, not sure if it is different on AMD64, but you'd do this
[12:49] <randabis-laptop> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:49] <randabis-laptop> sudo nvidia-glx-configure enable
[12:49] <scoon> is there a "preferred" way to switch from gcc3.3.5 to gcc3.4.4, all i did was change where /usr/bin/gcc points.
[12:49] <randabis-laptop> then restart x
[12:49] <DagaZ> anyone here using evolution in 4.10?
[12:50] <socketbind> a bunch of entires with PID xxxx stopped with status 3
[12:50] <socketbind> nothing informative :(
[12:51] <socketbind> and the job get immediately cancelled
[12:51] <socketbind> Error closing the renderer...
[12:52] <stuNNed> socketbind: groups.google.com for the status 3 error message?
[12:52] <socketbind> i believe that 3 means "Error closing renderer"
[12:52] <socketbind> but what sort of postscript renderer it uses?
[12:54] <socketbind> a bunch of people has the same problems with hpoj drivers
[12:54] <socketbind> "hpoj is already the newest version."
[12:54] <Setite> apt is not working right
[12:55] <randabis-laptop> how so?
[12:55] <Setite> it reads depencies and all that
[12:55] <Setite> and does nothing
[12:55] <Setite> doesnt install anything
[12:55] <stuNNed> apt-get -f install
[12:55] <stuNNed> ?
[12:55] <Setite> ill try that next
[12:56] <stuNNed> socketbind: hpoj or hpijs?
[12:56] <socketbind> they're not the same stuNNed
[12:56] <stuNNed> ah ok then, sorry.
[12:57] <socketbind> hpoj is only for device connection
[12:58] <Setite> whoa wtf
[12:58] <Setite> it says
[12:58] <socketbind> can you name for me an app that uses cups natively? not through the lpr "emulation"?
[12:58] <Setite> nv sata : Primary Device added
[12:58] <Setite> nv sata : Primary Device removed
[12:58] <Setite> same for secondary
[12:58] <Setite> like a thousand time
[12:58] <Setite> s
[12:59] <Setite> ok how do i fix grub so i can get back into windows
[12:59] <Setite> i will deal with this problem later
[01:01] <socketbind> geez i totally don't get it
[01:01] <socketbind> i had the same problems on all recent distros
[01:01] <socketbind> the cups versions very all around the same version
[01:01] <socketbind> hpoj, cups is the most fresh, i cant believe the problem persists
[01:02] <socketbind> i liked cups before but now it drives me nuts!
[01:02] <socketbind> on the cups.bugs newsgroup only there is only one report
[01:02] <socketbind> with no replies or whatsoever
[01:03] <socketbind> something ghostscript related i presume
[01:04] <Setite> ok imma repair the MBR and say goodbye to ubuntu... it should run without problems fromt eh installation
[01:04] <hizz> anyone have any luck with java?
[01:04] <hizz> i keep getting dpkg errors
[01:06] <Parallax> can anyone tell me how to share internet ??
[01:06] <socketbind> coyote linux for instance
[01:06] <socketbind> it is a little floppy distro
[01:07] <scoon> hizz, no.  I just dl'd java5 from sun and put it in /opt
[01:07] <socketbind> put it in /usr/java scoon!
[01:07] <hizz> so i shouldnt do it the way they describe on the ubuntu site?
[01:07] <scoon> socketbind, not for me.  I have my "non-deb" stuff in /opt
[01:08] <socketbind> ok scoon, but java MUST be in /usr/java believe me
[01:08] <socketbind> if it didn't works for you in opt
[01:08] <scoon> hizz, I am NOT saying to not do it that way.  I have just had better luck with sun's
[01:08] <scoon> socketbind, why MUST it go there ?
[01:08] <hizz> well i'm not having any luck with this way =)
[01:08] <socketbind> i don't know scoon, if i didn't put it there it does not works for me properly, it is the preferred way
[01:09] <socketbind> i have multiple jdk's and if i don't install them there
[01:09] <scoon> socketbind, what do you mean by not work properly ?
[01:09] <socketbind> they are errouneus
[01:09] <socketbind> they isn't detected some weird errors
[01:09] <socketbind> i can't remember them
[01:09] <scoon> socketbind, still kinda vague.  anyway, i bet your problem is with gdm.
[01:09] <socketbind> plainly just not working
[01:09] <scoon> not java
[01:10] <hizz> argh
[01:10] <scoon> by default, ubuntu sets gdm to not read any local setup files like xsession or xinitrc.
[01:10] <hizz> Removing sun-j2sdk1.5.0 ...
[01:10] <hizz> rm: cannot remove `/usr/bin/apt': No such file or directory
[01:10] <hizz> dpkg: error processing sun-j2sdk1.5.0 (--purge):
[01:10] <hizz>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[01:10] <hizz> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:10] <hizz>  sun-j2sdk1.5.0
[01:10] <hizz> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:10] <socketbind> with gdm? what printing has to do with gdm?
[01:10] <socketbind> hmm upgraded ghostscript let's see
[01:10] <scoon> gdm and java.  not printing.
[01:10] <socketbind> then what has to do gdm with java?
[01:11] <scoon> socketbind, gdm sets your PATH for you.
[01:11] <socketbind> ooh, I used to set the path in .profile or .bash_profile
[01:11] <scoon> socketbind, so if you wanted to set up you CLASSPATH, you need something like .xsession or .xinitrc.
[01:11] <scoon> socketbind, yes and they only get read when you fire up a terminal.
[01:12] <scoon> eh
[01:12] <scoon> whatever.
[01:12] <scoon> anyway, java works just fine in /opt
[01:12] <hizz> damnit java broke apt-get
[01:12] <scoon> hizz, apt-get check
[01:12] <hizz> dependencies are ok...
[01:12] <socketbind> for me .bash_profile and .profile gets in effect immediately, i just need to log out and in scoon
[01:12] <hizz> but everytime i install something now it gives me errors about java
[01:13] <socketbind> i used it like that now from a long time
[01:13] <scoon> socketbind, do you do any java programming ?
[01:14] <socketbind> scoon: yes
[01:14] <scoon> socketbind, ever use java-gnome ?
[01:14] <scoon> socketbind, http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/bin/view
[01:14] <socketbind> never, i don't know it but I use gnome from the begging
[01:14] <socketbind> ehm beginning
[01:15] <scoon> socketbind, check that out and try to run one of the very trivial examples using either eclipse or netbeans.
[01:15] <windowsuser> java gnome
[01:15] <scoon> socketbind, you when then discover what gdm has to do with java.
[01:15] <socketbind> these are java bindings, i only use swing
[01:16] <windowsuser> swing
[01:16] <scoon> socketbind, ok.  never mind then.  swing is ok.  but the stuff that java-gnome is doing is pretty sweet.  and interesting as well.
[01:16] <windowsuser> is it?
[01:16] <windowsuser> how so?
[01:17] <socketbind> okay scoon i didn't knew that you want to make java-gnome to work
[01:17] <socketbind> sorry
[01:17] <scoon> socketbind, mine works.  but it just illustrates what gdm has to do w/ java.
[01:17] <windowsuser> dingleberries
[01:17] <scoon> from an env stand point.
[01:17] <scoon> cya all.
[01:17] <socketbind> well and for hizz, better install it from the self extracting archive (not the rpm one)
[01:18] <windowsuser> installing windows nemesis 2.0
[01:18] <socketbind> this is the only thing what i didn't do from premade package
[01:18] <socketbind> calm down windowsuser
[01:18] <windowsuser> i couldnt figure out how to repair my MBR
[01:18] <windowsuser> so i had no other choice
[01:18] <socketbind> oh
[01:18] <socketbind> what was the problem? what bootloader?
[01:19] <windowsuser> GRUB
[01:19] <windowsuser> it didnt add windows to teh list
[01:19] <glassloop123> test hi all...this is myfirst time using ubuntu :)
[01:19] <glassloop123> and first time join this channel :)
[01:19] <socketbind> congratulations :D lol
[01:19] <windowsuser> what are you saying glassloop... its all in characters
[01:19] <housetier> welcome glassloop123
[01:19] <windowsuser> haha
[01:19] <glassloop123> :)
[01:20] <glassloop123> thanks..
[01:20] <socketbind> and it would be that hard to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst windowsuser?
[01:20] <windowsuser> but yea ill try installing ubuntu when hoary goes public
[01:20] <socketbind> a 3 liner entry and it would work
[01:20] <socketbind> i don't use windows, but I remember it was that easy
[01:21] <windowsuser> well when i asked how to fix it about 15 mins ago no one spoke up
[01:21] <windowsuser> leaving me to my own devices
[01:21] <windowsuser> so i wiped the ubuntu partition clean... and im reinstalling windows
[01:21] <socketbind> ok then install windoze
[01:21] <socketbind> welcome to hell
[01:21] <windowsuser> nah its not as bad as regular XP... and on a fast PC its even better
[01:21] <socketbind> i used to dualboot it before but it was killing my nerves
[01:22] <windowsuser> on this PC i have no choice but to use ubuntu
[01:22] <hizz> you guys bother with antivirus programs for linux?
[01:22] <windowsuser> because its slow
[01:22] <windowsuser> nah hizz dont bother
[01:22] <socketbind> clamav, but there isn't much native viruses that works properly hizz!
[01:22] <socketbind> they're just too specific to the system
[01:23] <socketbind> i still don't get it
[01:24] <socketbind> this renderer exit stuff
[01:24] <socketbind> the job get immediately cancelled
[01:24] <housetier> maybe ghostscript has trouble
[01:25] <socketbind> already upgraded it...
[01:25] <socketbind> no effect on it
[01:25] <mz2> is there a way to change the calendar applet in the gnome-panel so that it'd show the week starting from monday?
[01:25] <mz2> Mon-Sun instead of Sun-Sat#
[01:25] <housetier> socketbind, what printer do you have?
[01:25] <Hwolf> Does anyone here know how a logitech dinovo keyboard would behave out of the box on ubuntu?
[01:26] <socketbind> i have an HP PSC 750 housetier
[01:26] <socketbind> using hpoj and hpijs
[01:26] <housetier> socketbind, that's a laser printer?
[01:26] <socketbind> not it's a multipurpose inkjet housetier
[01:26] <socketbind> PSC is short of Printer Scanner Copier
[01:26] <hizz> how do i start an eterm?
[01:27] <hizz> eterm doesnt seem to work
[01:27] <housetier> socketbind, are ALL printjobs cancelled or just some?
[01:27] <socketbind> around <600k they arent canncelled
[01:27] <socketbind> 5x 1,4meg job was canncelled
[01:28] <socketbind> Error closing renderer...
[01:28] <socketbind> i don'T get it
[01:28] <housetier> so just some
[01:28] <socketbind> any >600k gets cancelled
[01:28] <socketbind> something with the renderer which i believe is gs
[01:29] <socketbind> any idea housetier?
[01:29] <socketbind> i'm very close to show this machine who's the boss :D
[01:30] <housetier> socketbind, what kind of documents are those cancelled jobs? just pages from, say, openoffice, or pdf files, or...
[01:30] <socketbind> the pages are "feeded" from various programs through the legacy lpr "emulation", housetier
[01:31] <socketbind> i have cupsys-bsd installed so it should work...
[01:31] <socketbind> should
[01:31] <socketbind> i'm trying it with apps natively supporting cups
[01:31] <mz2> windowsuser, next time you should maybe resort to www.ubuntuguide.org before wiping out everything... :)
[01:33] <housetier> socketbind, on a side note, the word you were looking for was "fed" :)
[01:33] <socketbind> :D
[01:33] <socketbind> i'll fry this thing
[01:33] <socketbind> will fry it deeeeeep
[01:33] <housetier> ok
[01:33] <socketbind> why everything keeps using lpr
[01:33] <socketbind> grrr
[01:34] <windowsuser> mz2 perhaps
[01:34] <socketbind> now i'm trying to print a 38 page doc from oo
[01:34] <housetier> I don't have cupsys-bsd installed
[01:34] <housetier> I don't need it
[01:34] <socketbind> it's surely >600k
[01:35] <socketbind> and it starts!!!
[01:35] <windowsuser> but i like a few basic things to work out of the box... previous experience has shown that if it doesnt... the amoutn of problems in the future only multiplies... it just makes me think that 64bit ubuntu warty is messed up
[01:35] <socketbind> i'll kill this thing!
[01:35] <windowsuser> yay
[01:36] <socketbind> nearly everything works for me out of the
[01:36] <housetier> socketbind, so it seems something in cupsys-bsd does not work the way it should
[01:36] <socketbind> including this stup*d integrated ac'97 card
[01:36] <socketbind> hmm maybe
[01:36] <housetier> socketbind, as I don't know the real cause maybe we can come up with a workaround for the time being
[01:37] <dennis_> Hello
[01:37] <socketbind> i would like to heard about any workaround, housetier :D
[01:37] <housetier> socketbind, you could create pdf files "by hand" and print them from gpdf
[01:37] <housetier> works for me
[01:37] <Hwolf> Will a logitech dinovo keyboard work under linux?
[01:37] <mz2> nah, ubuntu is really one of the few linux distros where you generally don't have to put up with annoying little compromises and problems with setting up things (well maybe apart from that dual boot which doesn't seem to be automatically done always :)
[01:37] <socketbind> you mean those "extra buttons" on it?
[01:38] <socketbind> hmm, i want to print a pdf ...
[01:38] <socketbind> something very bad about lpr...
[01:38] <dennis_> does anyone know how to install a hoarty package under warty? i need to get fglrx working on my amd64
[01:38] <socketbind> now i see the log and all ok
[01:38] <housetier> socketbind, I open any pdf and click on the "print" icon yes, then I select the network printer and print it
[01:38] <housetier> Hwolf, you won't know until you try :D
[01:38] <socketbind> something very bad about lpr
[01:39] <housetier> so don't bother yourself with lpr
[01:39] <housetier> move forward
[01:39] <socketbind> ok housetier, but firefox, acroread etc uses lpr
[01:39] <socketbind> it still uses it
[01:40] <Hwolf> housetier: I'd rather not buy a 180 euro keyboard to find out it doesn't work.
[01:41] <cast> 180 euro? that that ms bluetooth set?
[01:41] <cast> ahh, logitech
[01:41] <cast> id pay 180$ for a cordless keyboard on a few conditions:
[01:42] <cast> it was long range. it specified in detail its encryption implentation, and i agreed with it. it was long range :)
[01:43] <nightwolf> Hwolf, http://linux.yes.nu/diNovo/
[01:49] <Guardiann> good morning
[01:51] <LinuxJones> hi everybody :)
[01:53] <Guardiann> LinuxJones hello
[01:53] <Guardiann> kinda quiet in here
[01:53] <linux_mafia> anyone using streamtuner under hoary? mine segfaults immediately
[01:56] <LinuxJones> yeah it sure is :D
[02:00] <housetier> Hwolf, if it doesn't you can return it
[02:03] <hizz> anyone here use skype?
[02:04] <Guybrush|numb> me
[02:04] <hizz> did you install from source or rpm?
[02:04] <Guybrush|numb> qt2 binary
[02:04] <hizz> ah ok
[02:05] <dennis_> is hoary installable?
[02:06] <njan> dennis_, what do you mean?
[02:06] <njan> dennis_, I'm running hoary right now..
[02:06] <LinuxJones> dennis_, Yes, but you can never be 100% sure :D
[02:06] <dennis_> njan how did you install it?
[02:07] <dennis_> i used to run debian unstable so i dont mind a few problems
[02:07] <Guardiann> dennis_ I upgraded from warty
[02:07] <hizz> is it just me or are the ubuntuforums pretty slow
[02:08] <dennis_> Guardiann, any problems?
[02:08] <Guardiann> nope a sound problem at the beginning but that was 3 weeks ago
[02:09] <dennis_> cool i might give it ago
[02:10] <Guardiann> i like it
[02:10] <dennis_> i need the latest ATI drivers so i need to upgrade
[02:11] <Guybrush|numb> dennis_ what's the connection between ati drivers and not being able to use warty ?
[02:12] <Guardiann> dennis_ just be warned tho some have had problems with hoary cause its still in developement
[02:14] <dennis_> Guybrush|numb, im running an AMD64 based pc and only the latest ati drivers support this platform and warty has some older drivers, so ive got to upgrade
[02:16] <Guybrush|numb> dennis_ i thought you could simply install the newer drivers on warty, but maybe i'm wrong
[02:16] <dennis_> Guybrush|numb, i dont really know how
[02:17] <dennis_> Guybrush|numb, but i know how to upgrade everything ;)
[02:18] <Guybrush|numb> dennis_ i see :) I have zero experience on AMD64 but i installed latest ATI drivers from here (http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html) on warty for my radeon9600
[02:19] <Menu> hello all
[02:19] <Guardiann> hello Menu
[02:20] <dennis_> oh i used to use that on debian. thie thing is i dont want to have to mess about seting up the kernel and compiling the drivers
[02:20] <Menu> i am looking for some help with  the ubuntu ppc live CD, is this the right place?
[02:20] <Guardiann> Menu its the right place not sure if anyone is awake to help tho
[02:21] <Menu> ah ok, no europeans here : )
[02:21] <Rattboi> Menu, I've used it
[02:21] <Rattboi> but I wouldn't say I'm a guru about it...
[02:21] <Rattboi> worked for me pretty well though
[02:23] <Menu> Ill try my question then, the ppc live cd starts up with a 640x480 resolution on my Apple G4, is there a way to get a higher resolution?
[02:23] <Guybrush|numb> dennis_ i see, i found the procedure easy enough and with kernel-package, it takes almost no work to update it :
[02:24] <Rattboi> Menu, did you try option+cmd+'+'?
[02:24] <Rattboi> something like that
[02:24] <Rattboi> I'm not sure how it's mapped exactly
[02:24] <Menu> what does that do?
[02:24] <Rattboi> on pc, it's ctrl+alt+'+'
[02:24] <dennis_> Menu, is that an X resolution or console?
[02:24] <Rattboi> I assume X res
[02:25] <Rattboi> maybe it's option+alt+'+
[02:25] <Menu> i would like to get a higher resolution in X
[02:25] <Rattboi> Menu, you might try the "Set Resolution" item in the menu also
[02:25] <mojo> MENU: Higher than what?  You know what your hw will support, right?
[02:25] <Rattboi> but sometimes that doesn't work quite right
[02:25] <dennis_> Menu, youll need to change the X config file to include the res you want
[02:26] <Rattboi> dennis_, he's on the live cd
[02:26] <mojo> menu: what dennis said
[02:26] <Menu> The set resolution option is locked to 640x480
[02:26] <mojo> menu: you need to specify all the resolutions in XFree86.conf or xorg.conf (as appropriate)
[02:26] <dennis_> Rattboi, ye i know thats a problem but thats what needs to be done ;P
[02:27] <dennis_> Menu, you may not be able to change the config though ;P
[02:30] <Menu> Rattboy what does ctrl+alt+'+' do?
[02:30] <mojo> menu: could be either that you're running a basic generic driver, or that you just need the resolution entries.  Do you know what video card you have, or is it motherboard video?
[02:30] <Menu> My hardware is ati radeon 8500 LE
[02:31] <dennis_> Menu, it askes the X server to change the resolution to another predefined resolution(as defined in the X config file)
[02:31] <hizz> can i get mp3 support distrowide?
[02:32] <dennis_> distrowide?
[02:32] <hizz> as in for rhythmbox, xmms, etc
[02:32] <Menu> so i do this when x is running, where can i find the x config file? (me new to linux)
[02:33] <mojo> menu: you can run either the generic ati driver or the drivers that ati released... the generic is "ati" and the vendor one is "fglrx"... (more 1 sec)
[02:33] <dennis_> yep youll need to be running X at the time for the keypress to take affect
[02:33] <Guardiann> hizz what do you mean distro wide
[02:33] <hizz> for all audio apps
[02:33] <dennis_> mojo i dont think fglrx works on other platforms
[02:33] <hizz> so i can open an mp3 in rhythmbox, xmms, or whatever program i have
[02:34] <Menu> mojo, so what do i type at the boot prompt? linux-powerpc video=ati ?
[02:34] <dennis_> hizz, i dont see why not
[02:34] <Guardiann> I think you only need the correct codecs
[02:34] <mojo> dennis: what platform is he? Maybe I came it to this late... he is not x86 or ia84/AMD64?
[02:34] <hizz> how would i do that? gstreamer?
[02:34] <trace> Hello room
[02:34] <hizz> hi
[02:35] <dennis_> mojo nope PPC
[02:35] <hizz> i have gstreamer-mad installed, but i cant play mp3s anywhere
[02:35] <Slaven> I'm trying to get timidity to work... but where's the timidity.cfg?
[02:35] <Guardiann> hizz there are a few codecs
[02:35] <dennis_> hizz, xmms will want mpg123 or 321 i think
[02:35] <trace> Quick question...My sound card isn't being detected how can I fix this...I'm new....
[02:35] <Guardiann> check here www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:35] <fuoco> does ubuntu use prelink?
[02:36] <mojo> menu: "cd /etc/X11" and then "ls".  See if you have a file either XFree86.conf or xorg.conf.  If you have BOTH then you can ls -l and see which is the most recently modified
[02:36] <mojo> menu: depending on which xserver you run, those are the config files for X.  If you're on warty u prob are using XFree86
[02:37] <Rattboi> mojo, I'm pretty sure he's on hoary live cd on ppc
[02:37] <dennis_> hizz xmms does not use gstreamer ;)
[02:37] <mojo> denns (thx - i missed the ppc part... he he)
[02:37] <dennis_> mojo, np
[02:37] <Menu> power pc G4 ati radeon 8500 LE
[02:38] <mojo> okay guys..  menu: sry i guess i just jumped in late to conversation.  even so this should be where your config lives.
[02:39] <mojo> menu: its an apple by chance?  (just curious)
[02:39] <Menu> yep its an apple
[02:40] <Menu> not the standard video card though got it from a friend who got it from ati caulse he is blender 3d developer
[02:41] <Rattboi> ati generic driver should still work...
[02:41] <mojo> menu: cool. gonna have to play with one of those some time... anyway, u r on livecd? I have not run the livecd but I am guessing thatit puts its configs in a ramdisk partition???  I mean, you can't rewrite the livecd...
[02:41] <Rattboi> maybe it's just not on the live cd
[02:41] <Rattboi> mojo, that's right
[02:41] <Menu> Rattboi, how di i start the ati generic driver?
[02:41] <mojo> or it didn't detect properly on that unit
[02:41] <Rattboi> Menu, it's not easy with the live cd
[02:42] <Rattboi> I've only played with it on an iBook, so that's pretty well known hardware
[02:42] <mojo> well menu, did you figure out which xserver it is running (xorg or xfree86), or someone else just up n know?
[02:42] <Rattboi> mojo, it'll be xorg
[02:42] <mojo> rattboi: ic
[02:42] <Rattboi> cause it's the hoary cd
[02:42] <Rattboi> recent hoary
[02:42] <Menu> on knoppix you can add "screen=1280x1024 at startup
[02:43] <Rattboi> Menu, so try that...
[02:43] <fuoco> does ubuntu use prelink?
[02:43] <Rattboi> fuoco, I've never heard that it does
[02:43] <Rattboi> so I don't think so
[02:43] <mojo> rattboi: k...  i been 'dist-upgrade'-ing along since warty and switched repositories, so my xorg move was a manual choce
[02:43] <Menu> did not work
[02:43] <fuoco> Rattboi: ok. because I heard it's very fast so i wondered what behind that
[02:44] <Rattboi> fuoco, I've not heard that it's really fast
[02:44] <Rattboi> but it's not slow
[02:44] <trace> I'm trying to config mt sound but I keep getting "Error while initializing the sound driver:
[02:44] <trace> device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or directory)
[02:44] <trace> The sound server will continue, using the null output device."
[02:44] <Rattboi> I use it on my 500mhz 128mb pc, and I can deal with it
[02:44] <Menu> i am now on macosx, ubuntu is not really usable on 640x480 for me so i don't know my x config
[02:44] <Guardiann> compared to fedora and suse its very fast ;)
[02:44] <ohgood> hmm, does ubuntu use coldplug for usb stuffs ?
[02:44] <Rattboi> Menu, go to command line for me real quick and run "lsmod"
[02:45] <Rattboi> hotplug
[02:45] <Menu> on osx?
[02:45] <Rattboi> nope
[02:45] <fuoco> Guardiann: i'm comparing with gentoo
[02:45] <Rattboi> on ubuntu
[02:45] <Menu> -bash: lsmod: command not found
[02:45] <Rattboi> sudo lsmod
[02:45] <mojo> menu, if you do a "more /etc/X11/xorg.conf" you will see a part that says 'Section "device"' followed by a couple lines like 'Identifier' and 'Driver' that list the name and driver for your card
[02:45] <Rattboi> ohgood, bwahaha
[02:46] <mojo> menu: more cmd pages text files, space to adv (just in case youneed that info)
[02:46] <ohgood> does ubuntu's default kernel support reiserfs ?
[02:47] <Rattboi> yeah
[02:47] <Menu> ok ill reboot into ubuntu and try and look that up, thanx for the help
[02:47] <Rattboi> ohgood, yeah
[02:47] <mojo> menu: k goodluck
[02:47] <ohgood> ah
[02:47] <Menu> tnx
[02:47] <mojo> menu: b here when u get back
[02:48] <ohgood> Rattboi: odd, i have either a) kernel panic unable to mount /dev/blah b) file not found; when i try to boot the default installation. - any pointers ?
[02:48] <Rattboi> hmm
[02:48] <Rattboi> not really...
[02:48] <Rattboi> you're installing Ubuntu?
[02:48] <ohgood> already done
[02:48] <Rattboi> and you had another partition from before?
[02:49] <Rattboi> a ReiserFS one?
[02:49] <ohgood> Rattboi: i have about 14, iirc
[02:49] <Rattboi> lol
[02:49] <mojo> any mouse gurus out there?  I know some mice can be told to switch modes, like 400/800dpi if supported, etc. Wonder if I can modify mine to stop sleeping so fast when it sits on dark part of mousemat, or maybe wake up faster.
[02:49] <mojo> heh... or i could just get a diff mousemat.  But i like my earthrise scene :(...
[02:50] <ohgood> i've cp'd over /boot/'s images to my /dev/hda1 (since the installer apparently didnt) but it just panics/errors stated above.
[02:51] <ohgood> no amount of fiddling with grub.conf can seem to boot a kernel correct, at least the one ubuntu installed(2.6.8.1-something)
[02:51] <ohgood> my 2.6.10 will load fine, but since i have 8139 as module, it's kinda pointless
[02:53] <ohgood> even worse, hotplug doesn't pick up ma mouse, so i'm stuck with no net, and no usable X. :(
[02:54] <mojo> ohgood ohno :<
[02:55] <ohgood> i am correct that vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 is default, right ?
[02:55] <verlucca> Hi
[02:56] <mojo> verlucca: no, been dry for a while ;-)
[02:56] <verlucca> Hoary doesn't recognize correctly my Matrox G200
[02:56] <Guardiann> ohgood on warty i think your correct
[02:56] <verlucca> Please, could you suggest me the correct driver?
[02:56] <ohgood> Guardiann: warty ?
[02:57] <Guardiann> ohgood isnt that what your using?
[02:57] <ohgood> bah, apparently so.
[02:58] <Guardiann> then you are correct
[02:58] <Guardiann> hoary uses 2.6.10
[02:58] <ohgood> ahh
[02:58] <ohgood> shoot, guess i'll have to wget 'hoary' then :(
[02:59] <Guardiann> hoary is classed as unstable
[02:59] <cocaxx> hi
[02:59] <Guardiann> hello
[02:59] <ohgood> Guardiann: no worry. i just one that works. i have other 'stables' here if it craps like 'warty' has so far. :)
[03:00] <cocaxx> Does sb. know where I can find the human gtk/metacity/... theme?
[03:06] <Guardiann> mw07 you could have just asked :)
[03:08] <invictus> how can I make a program launch everytime when I log into my user account under gnome?
[03:09] <chrissturm> add it to startup programs in "session properties"
[03:09] <invictus> okay...thanks
[03:09] <mojo> chrissturm: hey, i think i have a use for that too... cool.
[03:09] <saif> hello,
[03:10] <mojo> various benficient greetings be upon you, saif
[03:10] <ohgood> for the record- just wiped the ubuntu test partition, aparently not booting makes things suck x2
[03:11] <saif> guys, i just found a driver for my intel chipset graphics card, but it says it is for suse, rh ( rpm package )
[03:11] <saif> can i use the same driver for ubuntu?
[03:14] <jafari> hello all
[03:14] <saif> jafari: hello
[03:14] <sgtshatta> jafari: yo kid
[03:14] <jafari> hey sgtshatta whats going on homie
[03:15] <mojo> saif: i know there are wasys to get files from rpm out or to repkg as a deb, but not up on them.. depends i guess on what the file is... now that you know 'what' the driver is, have you looked for the homepage or something?  maybe a source tarball is a safer ans or there will b a forum?
[03:15] <jafari> hows linux treating you
[03:15] <sgtshatta> jafari: not much man where is that code
[03:15] <sgtshatta> jafari: linux is good stuff kid
[03:15] <jafari> ok ill send it to you
[03:15] <sgtshatta> jafari: kool
[03:17] <saif> mojo: i just downloaded the tarball and i donno what to do with the contents! :) there is a file called install.sh and a hell lot of directories
[03:19] <mojo> saif: there is usually a README or INSTALL file with some instructions.  Typical scenario is to extract it all into a directory (and let it build it's subdirectory tree)..  Then from the extracted-to directory you "./configure" to auto-config, then "make" to compile a buncha schtuff, then (as root or via sudo) "make install" if all went well with prev. 2 commands.
[03:20] <mojo> saif: for this all to work, you will likely have to have the development packages (sources installed) for your xserver and/or kernel
[03:20] <mojo> saif: u are on ubuntu... you getting graphics yet at all, with a generic driver?
[03:20] <saif> mojo: unfortunatly, there is no Install or readme file, ./configure the command was not found,
[03:21] <saif> mojo: i am on ubuntu, and it
[03:21] <saif> 's working fine
[03:21] <saif> mojo: only i need TV-OUT, so i though the driver from the vendor would do the trick
[03:21] <mojo> saif: that much is good (bein on ubuntu n workin). What is this driver? what is your hardware?
[03:22] <mojo> saif: hmm... haven't played with that but for ATI they refer you to the GATOS project for TV in (/out?)
[03:22] <saif> mojo: i have a toshibe sa30-303 with a intel chipset graphics card 852
[03:22] <saif> mojo: yes, i did c the ati package for tv-out, but i figured that wouldn't do for me!
[03:23] <mojo> saif: prob not ;)
[03:23] <mojo> saif: where'd you get this tarball from?
[03:23] <saif> mojo: from the intel site
[03:24] <mojo> can u paste a alink?  i'll look at it wit 'cha
[03:24] <saif> mojo: 1 min.,
[03:24] <chrissturm> how can i use "find" to delete all directories named .svn recursively?
[03:24] <saif> mojo: http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/filter_results.asp?strOSs=39&strTypes=DRV%2CARC&ProductID=922&OSFullName=Linux*&submit=Go%21
[03:25] <saif> mojo: thanx for helping, or trying to! :)
[03:25] <mojo> saif: bbiaf
[03:25] <chrissturm> saif: do you use hoary or warty?
[03:26] <saif> chrissturm: well, i installed warty, i donno about the updates i keep installing!
[03:26] <chrissturm> saif: ok. i was just asking because hoary's xorg has the intel drivers included
[03:27] <saif> chrissturm: really? cool! how can I get hoary?! is it final? or still testing?
[03:28] <chrissturm> saif: its still not marked as stable. dont use it if you arent ready for broken stuff. that said, i'm using it on 3 systems without problems
[03:29] <saif> chrissturm: cool, i would like to try it, where can i get it??
[03:29] <saif> chrissturm: on the download site i can only find warty
[03:29] <chrissturm> saif: theres a wiki page "upgrading to hoary"
[03:30] <saif> ok
[03:30] <chrissturm> basically you just replace warty with hoary in your sources.list
[03:31] <saif> chrissturm: speaking of which, i am running ubuntu on 2 computers, is there a way, to keep the downloaded packages somewhere, so that the 2 computers can use them? instead of downloading them again, and if i can copy them to a cd or seomthn?
[03:32] <LinuxJones> saif, you might want to look at apt-proxy
[03:33] <saif> linuxjones: is that a directory?
[03:34] <mojo> saif: it looks to me like the install.sh script will compile and install the drivers automagically.  But I cannot swear it will work for your system or not.  It looks like these are XFree86 drivers, not X.Org.  I would guess that you'll want to install the development files for XFree86 and your kernel (sources, headers, that is).  Try ./install.sh -v for verbose output if you want to see if flies.
[03:34] <LinuxJones> saif, >> http://apt-proxy.sourceforge.net/
[03:35] <mojo> saif: install.sh will, of course, need to be set executable.  Not sure about need for root..  Would guess it will build as user but need root to install... read guess as GUESS, he he
[03:36] <mojo> saif: then there is always just goin with hoary/xorg like chrissturm was a talkin there
[03:36] <saif> mojo: thanx, i will try now, if it doen't work, i'lll get XFree86
[03:37] <mojo> saif goodluck / learnsome / havefun
[03:37] <saif> mojo: yeah, but i donno i have my doubts about tv-out working on hoary instantly! :)
[03:37] <mojo> saif: you never know... there is alwasys the livecd... i think a new iso is out, hafta check
[03:37] <chrissturm> saif: did you check out this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/nv-tv-out/
[03:38] <chrissturm> saif: its said to be working with other chipsets than nvidia too
[03:39] <saif> chrissturm: nop, i didn't try anything unless it's intel driver!
[03:39] <saif> mojo: it just told me that the scipt will use the following xfree86 directory /usr/x11r6
[03:40] <saif> should i go on? or is there a possibility of fucking everything up?
[03:41] <mojo> um, use it for what, it's output?
[03:42] <mojo> saif: nuther minute...
[03:42] <saif> mojo: doens't say anything,
[03:42] <chrissturm> saif: go on
[03:43] <saif> chrissturm: u mean go on with the installation?
[03:43] <chrissturm> yeah
[03:43] <mojo> saif: it will put stuff there, but it LOOKS like it will have a back-out ability, i.e., i think it backs up the files it touches.  lemme doublecheck
[03:44] <saif> The script also needs to copy the DRM kernel modules to your
[03:44] <saif> kernel module directory.
[03:44] <saif> Please note that only 2.4.x kernels are supported right now.
[03:44] <saif> Kernel Version   : 2.6.8.1-3-386
[03:44] <saif> Module Directory : /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386
[03:45] <saif> i guess it won't work afterall!
[03:45] <mojo> saif: i think it's gonna be undo-able...  I am not your expert though.. but i think it won't configure if an xserver is up and running.
[03:46] <saif> well, i finished,
[03:46] <ohgood> drm ?
[03:46] <saif> and it said i have to reboot!
[03:46] <mojo> saif: so ... o, IC...only 2.4.x kernels...
[03:46] <saif> restart X
[03:46] <saif> i'll c what will happen!
[03:46] <mojo> saif: um, you have way back here if x fails? i.e. irssi or sumthin?
[03:47] <firstknight> how to renew dhcp client???? sudo killall dhclient3.... then sudo dhclient3 screw up my postgresql server daemon.... and if I log out gnome and want to log in gnome again, I got blank brown screen...
[03:47] <saif> i'll go restart, yeah, my other computer! :)
[03:47] <saif> ipconfig /renew :)
[03:47] <mojo> Okay... no waranty expressed or implied, he he ;-)
[03:47] <saif> mojo: c ya!
[03:47] <firstknight> without reboot of course
[03:51] <mojo> LOL we can never have enough arrogance in a linux room he he
[03:51] <goldfish> heh
[03:52] <mojo> firstknight... not what saif said, that's the windows command
[03:52] <saif> yippi yey! it didn't work! nothin is destroyed!
[03:53] <saif> mojo: hehehe, sorry about that!
[03:53] <mojo> saif: drat (didn' work) n awesome (nothin destroyed).  You did find that the ./install-sh takes cmd-line options. I think uninstall will try to remove whatever it done did
[03:54] <bl0w3r> ubunto --- what window manager its the default?
[03:54] <superted_> metacity
[03:54] <saif> mojo: well, i don't think i need to remove anything! since it's all working fine!
[03:54] <mojo> saif: good 'nuff
[03:55] <mojo> saif: you runnin an xorg server by chance?
[03:55] <bl0w3r> metacity + gnome ????
[03:55] <saif> mojo: ?? what's an xorg server?!
[03:56] <saif> mojo: i have mysqlserver, apache servers! and i guess X server!
[03:56] <mojo> saif: xorg, X.Org, branched off XFree86.  Hoary will be on X.Org xserver.  your x-server is the server that puts up the graphic screen for your clients (programs).  Not an over-the-wire server by necessity (though it does support remote programs drawing on your screen if you allow it)
[03:57] <saif> mojo: i am installing ubuntu on another machine at this time, and i just noticed that it is downloading xserver-xfree86
[03:57] <mojo> saif: Yeah, that's the one. You're installing from a warty cd?
[03:58] <saif> mojo: yes, but i am currenty downloading stuff from the net, it asked me if i want to , and i said yes, actually i typed it
[03:58] <saif> mojo: how do i know what server i am using for x?
[03:58] <mojo> saif: YMMV, of course, but I switched to the hoary repositories and upgraded
[03:59] <saif> mojo: well, that is what i will do next, started the downloading before knowing that i can do the hoary thingie
[03:59] <mojo> saif, off hand?  bring up synaptic, do search for xserver and see what is marked as installed.
[04:00] <saif> xfree86
[04:00] <mojo> saif: yeah, the /etc/apt/sources.list needs editing (or you can do it via Synaptic interface).
[04:01] <saif> mojo: yeah, ilooked for it on the wiki, and i got the page, will do it!
[04:02] <saif> mojo: but first i'll c what this apt-proxy is, so i wouldn't have to do it on 3 machines ( the downloading that is )
[04:02] <mojo> saif: so well that driver you had was intended for xfree86 but I was not sure it would work for you or not anyway... has a lot of tests for osname and lists lots of mandrake, suse, redhat but no ubuntu or debian. prob. for special configs, and defaults to some default otherwise. One day I am gonna do more than read shellscripts and learn to write them (he he)
[04:02] <mojo> saif: apt-proxy?  what's that?
[04:02] <daniela> #j: ubuntu-brt
[04:02] <Tux-Rox> Hello all, I am having trouble connecting to a networked printer. The printer is on a server running RHEL3 using CUPS and SAMBA. I can see the server when I browse the network and I can mount the NFS share, but I can't connect to the printer.
[04:03] <saif> mojo: well, it's supposed to save all the packages the are saved from clients for a single source for other clinets ( it acts like a mirrot for sources)
[04:03] <saif> mojo: donno nothin about it yet, have to do some reading!
[04:04] <mojo> saif: i googled up the homepage already http://apt-proxy.sourceforge.net/ (looks pretty cool, really... probably something you may want)
[04:04] <saif> mojo: http://apt-proxy.sourceforge.net/
[04:04] <mojo> saif: echo (he he)
[04:04] <saif> mojo: hehe
[04:05] <saif> mojo: yes, strange y they don't have that on the ubuntu distro
[04:06] <mojo> saif: wonder if it's in marillat (a debian repository)...
[04:06] <saif> mojo: xorg? how to get?
[04:06] <tritium> saif, in Hoary
[04:06] <saif> mojo: donno, how can i get a list of all the repostories?1
[04:07] <mojo> saif: it is in the hoary repositories
[04:07] <saif> mojo: like the debian pages, have the apache mono thing, but the ubuntu and univeral don't!
[04:08] <saif> mojo: and i keep downloadin packages manually, and dpkgin them, i'm sure debian have a repository i can use in synaptic,
[04:08] <saif> mojo: this hoary seems pretty cool,
[04:08] <mojo> saif: your /etc/apt/sources.list shows what ones your system is aware of. I suppose *anyone* could put up a repository for you to link to.  Marillat is jst one that's referred to for some extras so I've followd instrux to add to my list
[04:09] <mojo> saif: i likeit
[04:09] <bretzel> Hi all, Yesterday  I did an up-to-date through synaptic ( hoary pkgs ) and now I randomly boot xorg in 640x400 screen mode ... I have to restart xorg to go back to my fav. res ( 1600x1200 ) - I don't think removing resolution list in xorg.conf is a good idea --- any hints ?
[04:10] <mojo> lol bretzel no removing list is prob not best answer...
[04:10] <mojo> bretzel, so it works on a restart?!?
[04:11] <bretzel> mojo: og course :-) ( ctrl-alt-backspace) it is not that much annoying tho :-) but since I like to learn, I am asking for some hints ...:-)
[04:13] <bretzel> btw: I read yesterday that (hoary)xorg and nvidia-glx normally works sell but I still have loads of "unresolved symbols" from modules load if I run xorg with "nvidia" ...
[04:13] <kzm> Ahem.
[04:13] <zenwhen> Hmm
[04:14] <kzm> Anybody using tetex on warty?
[04:14] <bretzel> sell: ( grrr read well)
[04:14] <mojo> bretzel... strange.... u on hoary or warty? on hoary try Desktop | Administration | Screen Resolution.  Don't know where to find same on Warty.  There should be an option (if memory serves) to make the chosen resolution the default for this computer.  I bet it puts something in the xfree86.conf or xorg.conf, cuz normally it should automatically try to boot in best available resolutinl
[04:14] <saif> ctrl+alt+bk sp!!
[04:14] <saif> didn't whay it does
[04:14] <saif> so i tried it
[04:14] <saif> restarts@@
[04:14] <mojo> saif: fun huh?
[04:15] <mojo> saif: yeah, resets whole x-server
[04:15] <saif> mojo: should have some warning before doing thaat!
[04:15] <mojo> saif: can be kinda rude. May leave programs in bground "detached".
[04:15] <bretzel> mojo: yes, I went to the screen res admin the frist time I've booted in 640x400, That was the only res. available :-)
[04:16] <mojo> saif: warning from what?  It's a form of a three-finger-salute for the x-server, used in panic. I guess a "hey, you meant that?" is not a bad suggestion though.
[04:17] <bretzel> btw: It is funny : my TTX 17" monitor can do 1900x1400 :-) :-) but I prefer to stay @1600 ...
[04:17] <saif> mojo: smethn like r u sure u want to restart??
[04:17] <mojo> bretzel: I bet it snuck something in your .config file that tells it to use that res by default. You may have to hunt the file for it if u can't un-set that option
[04:17] <kzm> bretzel: did you look at the output of X (/var/log/XFree.0.log or something)
[04:18] <saif> is there a key thing that does shows running processes?? like ctrl alt del on windows?
[04:18] <bretzel> mojo: bah.... When hoary will be offcially released, I wall re-install it from scratch anyway...
[04:18] <mojo> saif: but then, if you MEAN to do ctrl-alt-bs then there's a good chance x needs it cuz it's all gerfarbulled up anyway, making a warning or whatever not likely to display
[04:18] <kzm> saif: top?
[04:18] <mojo> bretzel, um, my understanding is april
[04:18] <kzm> saif: or do you want to show processes with windows?
[04:18] <saif> with windows
[04:19] <bretzel> kzm: no, only when I try nvidia accel driver that reports unresolved symbols....
[04:19] <bretzel> mojo: Yes, april :-)
[04:19] <kzm> saif: well, there's the window selector applet for the panel....
[04:20] <kzm> saif: I was sure there was a cmd line util to list X windows as well, but I forgot its name
[04:20] <mojo> bretzel: Ubuntu is 'scheduled' for 6-month update intervals to co-incide with GNOME projects schedule (methinks).  Warty was 4.10 (2004.10th-month), Hoary is to be 5.04 ('05, Apr)
[04:20] <saif> kzm: well, what i want is a key sequence that displays a window like the task manager inwindows, shows running processes, and to force quit 1, if somethn happens,
[04:20] <mojo> kzm I thnk u r right but i don't know 'em either
[04:20] <bretzel> BTW: When up-to-date pkgs, I noticed that I've got XDamage; scompmngr, but dunno if it is still buggy/laggy/slow-hell ---
[04:21] <kzm> bretzel, look and see if it doesn't tell you why it ignores a bunch of modes... you probably have the wrong info about your monitor or something
[04:21] <bretzel> xcompmngr --- full of thumbs again
[04:21] <mojo> saif:  check out xbindkeys to set up hotkeys for whatevertheheckuwant
[04:22] <saif> mojo: whatevertheheckiwantanddonnowhatitis!
[04:22] <kzm> saif: xkill will kill windows (and usually their process)
[04:22] <mojo> saif: u configure it and have it run on your login (add to session in session mgr). it intercepts keystrokes and mouse events upstream so youcan hotkey whatever
[04:22] <bretzel> kzm: As I said, I giveup what that resolution first boot, since I know I can take back the normal res, I prefer to focus on nvidia-glx probs...
[04:22] <mojo> saif: try a pkill -u $USER for self-destructive fun (kills all proc's runnin owned by $USER (you)
[04:23] <saif> mojo, kzm: ok thanks,
[04:23] <mojo> saif: the pkill will act like that ctl-alt-bs but won't leave any stuff hidin in bground
[04:25] <saif> i'll go do some reading and get the aptproxy then try hoary, anywyas, i guess i don't really need anything to kill prcesses since, nothin has hanged without the system figuring a way to kill it!
[04:25] <mojo> bretzel i loaded 3ddesk to play with... is fun but resource consumptive... set on xbindkeys hotkey to activate, gives me a 3-d carousel to switch workspaces from. Really slick, I must say...  but piggy little screenhack
[04:25] <mojo> saif: cool take care then, if you're checkin out
[04:26] <bretzel> mojo: When in Warty and nvidia-glx working, I tried 3ddesktop: and yes it is a very cool deskswitcher .....
[04:26] <saif> bye thanks for the info!
[04:26] <mojo> bretzel: ain'tit though?
[04:26] <saif> oh i was wondering
[04:26] <mojo> saif: peace
[04:27] <saif> how the heck do the ubuntu ppl get money!??! shipping and printing and develooping and everything?!
[04:27] <mojo> e-Jah quit?  who will the e-Rasta's pray to?
[04:27] <saif> and it's free!
[04:27] <bretzel> mojo: I think I am missing right modules version, when i run xwindow with nvidia-glx driver, i get unressoved symbols ...
[04:27] <altan> saif: a guy who has 500 million dollars :)
[04:27] <saif> well, they can  pray to me,
[04:28] <LinuxJones> altan, I wish I had 500 dollars :D
[04:28] <mojo> Saif: M. Shuttleworth made MILLIONS selling his company to Verisign, so he started some charities and the company Canonical, which is the funder behind Ubuntu. They do 'bounties' for things they want ppl to write or improve on, too.  Also do some contests, like a $1000 prize for ubuntu website graphic / look n feel overhaul
[04:29] <mojo> saif: I think like over $550 Million in the Thawte Grp or whatever it was he sold to Verisign... He's a dot-com success story.
[04:29] <saif> mojo: cool! so he is just giving a way his money!
[04:29] <Bonghi> Hi all, thanks to what the channel told me before I could succesfully install Ubuntu!
[04:30] <saif> mojo: he must expect a return in someway
[04:30] <klaym> it's not good when there's money going on behind a linux distro
[04:30] <mojo> saif: Think so.  He did get the soviets to let him fly to space as tourist (HA!  Daaaaaammmnn!).. but he's apparantly all about charity
[04:30] <altan> klaym: Shuttleworth seems to have a very different approach than RedHat/Novell
[04:30] <altan> http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/software/2004/0411051105.asp?A=LIN&S=Open%20Source&O=FPT
[04:30] <jdub> saif: yes, canonical is a for-profit business. :-)
[04:31] <klaym> but if he's investing so much money on it, there must be something he's aiming at to get those moneys back
[04:31] <klaym> or he's just weird
[04:31] <altan> "Shuttleworth will make a sustainable business of Canonical by selling services. The company is made up of 37 developers, handpicked from Debian and the broader community."
[04:31] <mojo> imho shuttleworth is a stand-up guy.  i know i would probably be a philanthropist if i ever got rich (i'm a treehuggin hippylover) but not everyone would or does ya know
[04:31] <bretzel> Make xorg failing to read which modules are mssing for nvidia ciao :-)
[04:32] <saif> well, i sure hope there would be more ppl like him!
[04:32] <altan> yup
[04:33] <mojo> saif: yes, me too. Must say though that I have met many very very kind souls out there.  Most don't have his bucks but really, in the really big picture it ain't about money, this earth-trip we all take. But it's a great tool to help ppl and he uses it well
[04:34] <saif> mojo: couldn't agree more!
[04:34] <saif> mojo: i just remembered somethn, do u know the question that gives the answer 42??
[04:34] <mojo> saif: methinks he helps w/aids prob in africa and also has 'advancement' programs/scholorships.  Check up on him, he doesa lot
[04:34] <saif> the one with the univrse like and bla bla
[04:34] <saif> cool
[04:34] <saif> since i live in jordan,
[04:35] <mojo> Saif: That is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything.  But they forgot to ask what that ultimate question was, didn't they?
[04:35] <saif> maybe he'll give me a scholarship
[04:35] <saif> yup,
[04:35] <VaDor> hi
[04:35] <saif> they sure did,
[04:35] <saif> and that is y we r her!
[04:35] <saif> here!
[04:36] <proximity> anyone got an nforce system?
[04:36] <mojo> saif: it is also decimal for binary 101010 (think yin-yang, on, off, he he)
[04:36] <hendsp> can the weather panel applet not get forcasts in the UK?
[04:37] <altan> this talk about rich people reminds me: Bill Gates was here in Istanbul a few days ago, and Microsoft is looking to sponsor and become a very large part of the government's efforts for a more computerized government, and in the creation of a tech industry park similar to Silicon Valley
[04:37] <mojo> saif: 42 is my fav. number.  Funny you asked that.  Other really good number is 23.
[04:37] <saif> mojo cool! hehe
[04:37] <mojo> saif: hang on got a interesting link for you on 23....
[04:37] <saif> mojo: hangin on
[04:38] <altan> however, the The Scientific and Technical Research Council of Turkey, which is tied to the government, released a national Linux distribution recently
[04:38] <altan> so I wonder how that will affect what's going on
[04:39] <saif> altan: cool, here in jordan they decided to run all school computers on linux, i donno which distro though
[04:39] <saif> so all the kids will know how to use linux
[04:39] <saif> in 10-15 years, hopefully linux will prevail!
[04:40] <mojo> saif: http://www.empirenet.com/~dljones/ is on 42, http://www.spiralnature.com/spirituality/discordianism/about23.html is long one on 23
[04:40] <mojo> saif: red pill or blue? LOL
[04:41] <mojo> saif: keep thinking like that.... for a a vision to be manifest it must first be envisioned!
[04:41] <saif> mojo: will go and start reading! nice talkin to u! will probably c u here sometime,  or on another frequency! :)
[04:42] <flosch> hi
[04:42] <mojo> saif: later
[04:43] <proximity> so has anyone got an nforce system?
[04:43] <mojo> prox: nforce3-250 (MSI K8N Neo-2 Platinum mobo)
[04:44] <bretzel> Missing GLCore, unresolved symbols in: libspeedo; libfb; and libdri  (nvidia-glx) any hints how to install those modules correctly ??
[04:44] <sgtshatta> bretzel: apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:45] <bretzel> stgshatta: I cna't tell how many times I did this: remove nvidia-glx, intall nvidia-glx, and nvidia-glx-config enable ; --- no luck
[04:46] <LinuxJones> bretzel, you running hoary ?
[04:46] <Slaven> bretzel: using xorg?
[04:46] <bretzel> Linuxjones : yes and I read that it is normally working well without errors with hoary
[04:46] <bretzel> Slaven: yes
[04:47] <Slaven> well, I'm probably just bitter.
[04:47] <LinuxJones> bretzel, Not for me either I had exactly the same problem with a GF5200 graphics card
[04:47] <Slaven> but xorg+nvidia never worked for me.
[04:47] <Slaven> using GFXF5700LE
[04:47] <Slaven> FX even
[04:48] <LinuxJones> Slaven, I need a game of Quake3 :(
[04:48] <bretzel> Slaven, Linuxjone: I do have FX 5200, but works well with Mandrake; Ubuntu warty(xfree86 4.3) -
[04:48] <LinuxJones> bretzel, I think I will just go back to Warty, and wait till new nvidia drivers come out
[04:49] <bretzel> LinuxJones: But it is modules related - seems not hardware related ...
[04:49] <LinuxJones> bretzel, It's nvidia driver problem for sure
[04:49] <Slaven> bretzel: anything xfree86+nvidia works well here too.
[04:50] <bretzel> I did run xorg with nvidia ( with Mandrake 10.1 -- ) and espaecially LLGP ( live linux game CD ) with nvidia + xorg which orks very well tho
[04:50] <Slaven> hm
[04:50] <LinuxJones> Maybe I will try removing xorg and trying xserver-xfree86 with Hoary to see if it makes any difference :(
[04:50] <Slaven> well, I *did* try to install XFree86 from an old package-CD on Gentoo and that didn't work either.
[04:50] <LinuxJones> It probalby won't make any difference tho :(
[04:50] <Stuttergart> What comes after Hoary?
[04:51] <LinuxJones> Stuttergart, Grumpy Groundhog ?
[04:51] <Stuttergart> ah
[04:51] <LinuxJones> The release names are ghetto
[04:52] <Stuttergart> I had a friend who works at a christian school who was asking if it was going to be something like "Slutty the Skunk" that would cause problems for his rollout. ;)
[04:52] <bretzel> Wait: is FX5400 exists ?
[04:52] <zenwhen> no
[04:53] <LinuxJones> bbiab
[04:54] <saif> i am back
[04:54] <saif> with a big problem!
[04:54] <mojo> the linux mascott is a penguin.... cutsie.... but admtdly not as cutsie as grumpy groundhogs and warty warthogs
[04:54] <saif> i installed ubuntu on the 3rd machine,
[04:55] <saif> and now, when i restarted,
[04:55] <saif> ubuntu starts
[04:55] <saif> but in terminal mode
[04:55] <saif> it asks me for the login
[04:55] <saif> how do i get X to start,??
[04:56] <altan> saif: startx after you login
[04:56] <saif> altan: command not found
[04:56] <firstknight> does Canotical get profit with this ubuntu??? anyone buy commercial support from canotical?
[04:56] <altan> are you logged in to the terminal saif?
[04:56] <bretzel> saif: that raises a question about apt-get: as soon as there is error on a pkg, it stops installing and finalizing the other pkgs... bug or feature ?
[04:57] <saif> altan: yes
[04:57] <Tux-Rox> bretzel, bug, for sure.....
[04:57] <altan> bretzel: I'd say "feature" in the sense that it's something I'd personally like to know about
[04:57] <saif> bretzel: well, it said the installation was successful!
[04:57] <altan> saif: echo "exec gnome-session" > .xinitrc
[04:58] <saif> nothin happened
[04:59] <altan> saif, try startx after you do that
[04:59] <saif> i did
[04:59] <bretzel> that happened yesterday with a faulty pkg ( libmp4ff or something ) and stopped the process: there were full of xorg and other pkgs  finalize but I had to fix the "broken pkg" with synaptic before apt-get continues with the rest of the up-to-date
[04:59] <saif> command not found
[05:00] <altan> hmm. uh, try "whereis X"
[05:00] <Anubis> which channel is the forum or help channel please?
[05:00] <bretzel> saif: That is why I talk about the apt-get behaviour: may be xwindow was not installed/configured after an error
[05:00] <saif> /usr/X11R6/bin/X /usr/bin/X11/X
[05:01] <saif> bretzel: i guess it is installed! and what error could have occired?!? i installed from the cd!
[05:01] <altan> saif: try xorgconfig and then try /usr/X11R6/bin/X
[05:01] <mojo> saif: does it try to load the xserver at all?  Check in /var/log/XFree86.0.log for some clues on why it failed (if it even tried)
[05:02] <saif> how do i open the log?!
[05:02] <saif> xorgconfig command not found!
[05:02] <altan> hmm.
[05:02] <mojo> saif: less, more
[05:02] <altan> did you try to start /usr/X11R6/bin/X manualy?
[05:02] <mojo> saif: the progs not found may be nonextant or jst notin ur path
[05:02] <altan> (just enter that)
[05:03] <KonvIRC_> ma che posto strano...
[05:03] <saif> mojo: the file does not exist!
[05:03] <saif> altan: nop
[05:03] <Katerpillar> hola
[05:03] <altan> what happens when you do that saif?
[05:03] <mojo> saif: more /path/to/file reads files, pages them.  less /path/to/file is more.  less is more, but (supposedly) a better more
[05:03] <proximity> my nforce board by default with ubuntu doesnt have mixing, do i need to download the official drivers?
[05:04] <mojo> proximity, mixing???
[05:04] <proximity> yeh like two sounds at once
[05:04] <proximity> it will only play one
[05:04] <saif> mojo: the file does not exist,
[05:04] <saif> altan: running the command u gave me did somethn
[05:04] <mojo> prox ... hmm i get music and system sounds and stuff all at once thru either mobo sound or audigy-2-zs
[05:05] <saif> altan: it showed a screen, with a mouse pointer ( X ) and nothin else!
[05:05] <mojo> mobo is realtek/AC97/crapola
[05:05] <proximity> hmm
[05:05] <t31> im trying to download the w32codecs from nerim's ftp, and goes quite slow, anyone knows how to skip the data socket time out?
[05:05] <proximity> it says mine is using the intel8x0 driver or something
[05:05] <altan> saif: only thing I can think of short of a reinstall would be apt-get remove xserver-xfree86 && apt-get remove xfree86-common      and then apt-get install xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xfree86-common
[05:05] <mojo> saif, bet you don't have a /etc/X11 directory then, or /usr/X11R6, do you???
[05:06] <mojo> saif: what atlan said.
[05:07] <saif> mojo: i do have the directory X11
[05:07] <altan> mojo: he does have it, <saif> /usr/X11R6/bin/X /usr/bin/X11/X
[05:07] <proximity> also xine wont download from the repositries
[05:07] <proximity> so i cant play dvds
[05:07] <saif> so, should i re0install free86?
[05:07] <mojo> saif, try the remove / install per atlan
[05:07] <proximity> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xine-lib/libxine1_1-rc5-1ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
[05:07] <proximity>   Bad header line
[05:08] <mojo> saif, j/c but what hardware is this 'third' box anywya/
[05:08] <mojo> ?
[05:08] <Steve> my ubuntu install is ignoring the domains in my search line in /etc/resolv.conf, suggestions?
[05:08] <saif> it's AMD 2000+
[05:08] <mojo> graphics
[05:08] <saif> motherboard is soltek
[05:08] <goldfish> emm... n00b question here :) I'm trying to install azureus, what version do i get? There is linux gtk, linux motif etc....
[05:08] <saif> gforce4
[05:08] <altan> goldfish: gtk
[05:08] <goldfish> altan: thanks
[05:09] <saif> i had installed ubuntu on it once before ( first time i tried it was on this machine )
[05:09] <saif> strange it didn't work now!
[05:09] <mojo> saif: yes, strange.  sounds like sumthin snarfed 4 sure
[05:09] <larsrohdin> excuse me.. but is half-life 2 and Steam, linux-compatible?
[05:09] <Katerpillar> lars .. you play hl2?
[05:10] <larsrohdin> Katerpillar, well... yeah?
[05:10] <Katerpillar> nice..
[05:10] <larsrohdin> hehe, but can i play it in linux, I mean without wine or cedega?
[05:11] <saif> mojo: :(
[05:11] <confrey> hi everybody
[05:11] <saif> unable to unlock the administration directory permission denied!
[05:11] <saif> i used sudo though
[05:12] <[m0rph] > hi, does nautilus-cd-burner work for anyone here?
[05:12] <larsrohdin> Katerpillar, do you know if its possible?
[05:12] <Steve> larsrohdin: its's win32 only, not even mac
[05:12] <larsrohdin> lame=)
[05:12] <confrey> I have installed kino, but I can't use it, because I haven't the raw1394 in /dev, what can I do?
[05:12] <Steve> nautilus-cd-burner works OK for me
[05:12] <cutterjohn> Steve: annoying that is, esp. since hl mac port was finished, but not released...
[05:12] <Rocha> Hello
[05:13] <Rocha> I there anyway I can copy a cd-audio in gnome?
[05:13] <Rocha> (with gnome programs)
[05:13] <Steve> is /etc/resolv.conf the right place to configure the resolver on ubuntu?
[05:13] <saif> stupid me! i actually typed in to command line apt-get ... && apt-get ...
[05:13] <larsrohdin> yeah it sucks bad ass... hate it... I want to be able to play a game once in a while without having to reboot and use windows...
[05:13] <mojo> saif: it's a copout but maybe just re-do tha install since you only just did it anyway...?
[05:13] <altan> <[m0rph] > hi, does nautilus-cd-burner work for anyone here? <--- I have had problems with nautilus-cd-burner in the past, it was due to some permissions
[05:13] <saif> that is y it couldn't lock
[05:13] <cutterjohn> Lars, did you play hl TFC?
[05:13] <[m0rph] > Rocha: graveman should work
[05:13] <altan> it was a long time ago so I don't remember how I fixed it
[05:14] <mojo> LOL
[05:14] <Rocha> [m0rph] , ok, i'll check that
[05:14] <saif> well, it's working fine for me,
[05:14] <saif> don't remeber i had to do anything!
[05:14] <[m0rph] > altan: did it say that you should insert a cd when there was already one?
[05:15] <larsrohdin> cutterjohn, actually, I just got hl2, and im saving my money to buy a geforce 6800 GT, so i just play CSS and halflife source... otherwise i don't know if my computer would survive=)
[05:15] <larsrohdin> probably my poor radeon 9200se would say POOOFFF!!!=)
[05:15] <cutterjohn> :)  CS is supposed to be better now...  I used to play hl TFC at Frenchys Pit alot...
[05:16] <hizz> hello
[05:16] <altan> <[m0rph] > altan: did it say that you should insert a cd when there was already one? <--- yes
[05:16] <Rocha> [m0rph] , in which repository is graveman?
[05:16] <saif> guys,
[05:16] <larsrohdin> yeah, i never liked the old cs, it was both boring and ugly=) but CSS is bad ass
[05:16] <saif> another problem,
[05:16] <hizz> you guys know how i can associate mp3's with xmms permanently?
[05:16] <saif>  i had it once before, but i lost the paper that has info on how to solve it
[05:16] <saif> it's kernel 2.6 bug
[05:16] <cutterjohn> DoD was good too, I hope both TFC & DoD get ported to hl2...
[05:17] <[m0rph] > Rocha: oh, it's in hoary universe
[05:17] <saif> windows would not start!
[05:17] <Rocha> [m0rph] , forget about it, there are ubuntu packages on the website
[05:17] <larsrohdin> cutterjohn, have you tried garrys mod? fun as hell
[05:17] <saif> somethn with the patrition tables,
[05:17] <saif> i remember there was a command the fixes it!
[05:17] <klaym> have you tried cs_sauna? or csde_nokia?
[05:17] <cutterjohn> lars, no, I just used to play with the gang at Frenchys which mostly ran low-grav TFC(neo) and DoD...
[05:18] <larsrohdin> saif, maybe fix mbr?
[05:18] <[m0rph] > hizz: right click on an mp3, and then add xmms as default program
[05:18] <saif> that is a windows command,
[05:18] <saif> windows it not running,
[05:18] <larsrohdin> cutterjohn, ok you should try it
[05:18] <cutterjohn> lars, ...and ocassionalloy on other servers...
[05:18] <saif> fix mbr will destroy grub
[05:18] <hizz> ah ok, thanks m0rph
[05:19] <mojo> saif, right-click on an mp3-file, pull up properties.  go to "open with" tab and you'll see all the known "open with" options.  dbl-clickon the xmms one to make i the default
[05:19] <saif> it's a long command, :) somethn that gets the layout of the partition tables, and saves them to a file!
[05:19] <MaxeyPad> so I gather the livecd is broken pretty badly based on the topic?
[05:19] <cutterjohn> Lars, what is garrys mod like?  (I've actually never heard of it...)
[05:19] <saif> mojo: Thanx,
[05:19] <saif> mojo: hehe, i donno y u told me that though!
[05:19] <housetier> saif, the package ms-sys might be able to help you fix the mbr
[05:20] <cutterjohn> Lars, and I'll first need to upgrade hl to $^&$*^#&*$(*#^T*&!!!! steam. #&^$&*$&*(&^(*!!!!
[05:20] <altan> scripting wizards, I need something that will recursively move any non-mp3 file in a directory to another directory
[05:20] <MaxeyPad> I'm using the ubuntu livecd, is it possible to install mp3 support while the cd is running?
[05:20] <larsrohdin> cutterjohn, it lets you really play with the grapichs engine... you can spawn any thing, dead or alive from hl2... and move em around and take a picture of it=) you can even change their face expressions
[05:20] <housetier> saif, also check the package "mbr"
[05:20] <mojo> saif, um, i was answering hizz... SRY!  I am getting all sleepy (been up all night settin 'puter up)
[05:21] <saif> housetier: nop, i'll go check on www if i find it!
[05:21] <larsrohdin> cutterjohn, yeah stem sucks to=)
[05:21] <mojo> hizz,your answer was back a couple posts ago by me
[05:21] <cutterjohn> lars, ah I thought that you were talking about original hl.. I havent gotten hl2 yet, as I want to see what shakes out with that POS steam...
[05:21] <housetier> saif, http://ms-sys.sourceforge.net/
[05:21] <proximity> can anyone help me get totem to play dvds
[05:21] <mojo> lo...zzz...l
[05:21] <saif> mojo: hehe, i know the feeling!
[05:21] <housetier> saif, those are packages in debian, I thought they might be available in ubuntu as well
[05:21] <psrwebs> I've just installed Ubuntu with 2.6.8.1-4-k7-smp, but I can't find the source package for this in synaptic.  Where can I find it?
[05:21] <larsrohdin> cutterjohn, oh ok! yeah steam is starnge... but i had to get the game anyway...
[05:22] <cutterjohn> lars, is the single player as good as the original?
[05:22] <mojo> saif: the temp in here is crazy too... musta left heater on too high... man it makes sleepy 10x worse...ugh
[05:22] <cutterjohn> BTW: there's an article linking to a review of the Hoary livecd on OSNEWS...
[05:22] <cutterjohn> ...bunch of comments...
[05:22] <saif> mojo: run kill heater
[05:23] <saif> mojo: then shutdown and sleep!
[05:23] <bretzel> proximity: get libdvdread;libdvdcss2 ?
[05:23] <saif> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! i just reinstalled xfree86, same problem!!
[05:24] <bretzel> proximity: ?
[05:25] <mojo> apt-get remove heater-overkill && apt-get install crack-window && ./run-fan.sh && smile | caffienatedsodapop
[05:25] <saif> reinstall ubuntu?!
[05:26] <mojo> sleep...yes... ttfn every-1 peace on men and goodwill towards earth 10-4 over n out >>/dev/sack
[05:26] <larsrohdin> cutterjohn, haven't played single player that much yet, but from what i've heard and the little i've played it is really god...
[05:27] <saif> mojo: good night!
[05:27] <saif> too late!
[05:28] <cutterjohn> lars, I'll probably get around to buying hl2 when a) I upgrade my current x86 system, and b) TFC & DoD come out for it...  (I never cared for CS...)
[05:28] <klaym> you can still send him a prayer ;)
[05:28] <cutterjohn> lars, then ill try garrys' mod...
[05:29] <goldfish> Hi there, I have been looking at the ubuntuguide but i can't seem to find anything about setting up sound, I get this error when I try to play a music file with xmms, can anyone help?
[05:29] <linuxboy> is it possible to install Xorg on Warty??
[05:29] <goldfish> ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such file or directory
[05:29] <altan> goldfish: what is your sound card?
[05:29] <goldfish> emm...
[05:29] <linuxboy> goldfish: whats the error?
[05:29] <linuxboy> oic
[05:30] <linuxboy> goldfish: change the output to libASLA
[05:30] <goldfish> altan: I don't know :/
[05:30] <goldfish> linuxboy: How do I do that? :) (complete nix n00b)
[05:31] <ewhitten> you guys talking about gstreamer?
[05:31] <goldfish> eh..
[05:31] <goldfish> xmms
[05:31] <ewhitten> ahh.
[05:32] <goldfish> I was wondering how to set up my sound? I am completely new to linux.
[05:32] <saif> how do i get the personal security manager in order for mozilla to run normally?
[05:33] <souki> goldfish: do you have the ubuntu sound at startup (gnome) ?
[05:33] <ewhitten> saif:  mozilla-psm package
[05:33] <goldfish> souki: nope
[05:33] <ewhitten> saif:  make sure you have that installed.
[05:33] <souki> goldfish: try Menu/Multimedia/Volume-Control
[05:33] <david> hello everyone
[05:34] <david> I was wondering what the package management scheme was in ubuntu....
[05:34] <saif> ewhhitten: installing now!
[05:34] <proximity> bretzel
[05:34] <david> is it the debian system?
[05:34] <proximity> neither of those packages exist
[05:34] <proximity> the dvd ones
[05:34] <goldfish> souki: No mixer elements and/or devices found.
[05:34] <souki> goldfish: ouch! your sound card wasn't detected
[05:35] <david> whats the package management in ubuntu??? based on RPM?
[05:35] <hizz> .deb
[05:35] <goldfish> souki: ah jeez :/
[05:35] <hizz> apt-get
[05:35] <david> devian
[05:35] <saif> goldfish: notnecessarily
[05:35] <david> cool
[05:35] <hizz> goldfish are you on a laptop or something?
[05:35] <david> thanks
[05:35] <souki> goldfish: do you know which sound card is on your system ?
[05:35] <goldfish> I am yes.
[05:35] <hizz> that happened to me yesterday
[05:35] <hizz> ACPI
[05:35] <hizz> ?
[05:35] <saif> goldfish: i had a problem like that once, fixed it by using a differnt think, i think i had to switch to alsa
[05:35] <goldfish> emm.. i think it's eh sigmatel or something?
[05:36] <hizz> is it a dell?
[05:36] <goldfish> yep Dell 8600 Inspiron
[05:36] <hizz> aha
[05:36] <hizz> i have an inspiron 500m
[05:36] <hizz> what you gotta do
[05:36] <hizz> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.list
[05:36] <hizz> then add "acpi=noirq" to your kernel parameters
[05:36] <hizz> that should fix it
[05:37] <hizz> also fixes nonworking wifi =)
[05:37] <souki> hizz: I'm wondering if it could fiw my suspen problem too :)
[05:37] <goldfish> emm.../boot/grub/menu.list seems to be empty ?
[05:38] <hizz> should read
[05:38] <hizz> menu.lst
[05:38] <hizz> sorry
[05:38] <goldfish> ah
[05:39] <goldfish> hizz: do i add it in after like, ro quiet splash ?
[05:39] <hizz> i just put it at the back
[05:39] <hizz> behind splash
[05:39] <souki> goldfish: you can put the new option in "nonaltoptions=.." so you can keep it when upgrading the kernel
[05:39] <hizz> good idea, i loaded up the i686 today and forgot about that so i spent 30 minutes pissed off at the wifi again =)
[05:39] <souki> goldfish: and then: update-grub
[05:40] <goldfish> emm..
[05:40] <hizz> souki is it supposed to be commented out?
[05:40] <souki> hizz: no, ot is   a comment handled by update-grub
[05:41] <hizz> ok so i uncomment it
[05:41] <souki> hizz: no keep it commented
[05:41] <goldfish> souki: Do I put it in both places so?
[05:41] <goldfish> as a parameter and in nonaltoptions ?
[05:42] <souki> goldfish: no need, you have to type "sudo update-grub"
[05:42] <souki> goldfish: it is a magic line
[05:42] <hizz> lol
[05:42] <goldfish> ok, i'll give it a go :)
[05:42] <goldfish> thanks for your help souki & hizz
[05:42] <psrwebs> Hi:  does anyone know where I can get the kernel sources for the 2.6.8 kernels that seem to be the standard 2.6 kernel?  There's no mention that I can see of them in the list that synaptic produces
[05:43] <hizz> np
[05:43] <ago73> Hi
[05:44] <stuNNed> hi ago73
[05:44] <hizz> hi
[05:44] <ago73> My sound is not working on games/gaim (hoary), any idea?
[05:45] <bluefoxicy> put yourself in the sound group
[05:45] <bluefoxicy> audio
[05:48] <altan> how would I move stuff from a list of files? like, say I have test.mp3 in a file called filelist.txt and I want to mv (contents of filelist.txt) /test
[05:48] <altan> I thought I knew how to do this :/
[05:48] <ago73> I am already in audio, but there is no sound group
[05:48] <ago73> bluefoxicy,  Shall I create one
[05:49] <altan> ago73: does sound work at all?
[05:49] <ago73> yes
[05:49] <hizz> souki are you still around?
[05:49] <ago73> It works for normal desktop events and for the music player
[05:49] <Tux-Rox> Anyone know of a mail notification applet that works with Evolution Data Server so that I know when I get a new email on the Exchange server?
[05:50] <souki> altan: with sed maybe
[05:51] <ago73> There is some comment here suggesting to change esd.conf (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats)
[05:51] <souki> altan: something like: sed -e 's/^\(.*\)$/mv \1 newdir/' files.list
[05:51] <altan> I guess I should read up on sed before I try that
[05:51] <ago73> But I cannot see any -d default in the spawn_options
[05:52] <souki> altan: it just print the command, you have to pipe the result into bash
[05:54] <altan> souki: I just did    mv `cat listoffiles.txt` /directory    and it works
[05:54] <goldfish> hi guys
[05:54] <goldfish> i added that stuff
[05:54] <souki> altan: great, but its limited in length I think
[05:54] <goldfish> and did update-grub
[05:54] <altan> it is?
[05:54] <goldfish> but i still get errors?
[05:55] <hizz> reboot
[05:55] <souki> altan: yes, I don't remember exactly but the command line is limited in length
[05:55] <goldfish> hizz: :)
[05:55] <goldfish> Shudda thought of that :)
[05:55] <goldfish> thanks
[05:55] <hizz> =)
[05:55] <hizz> cya in a bit ;)
[05:56] <souki> altan: for a big list of file, there is the xargs command
[05:56] <srid> i have a .swf file .. is there anyother better way to play it than loading it in HTML?
[05:57] <hizz> opening it in firefox won't work?
[05:57] <Cindux> oy
[06:00] <Halo> Hello
[06:00] <Halo> I'm having me some wireless issues :(
[06:00] <goldfish> oh that reminds me
[06:00] <goldfish> hizz: Have u got a dell internal wireless card?
[06:01] <Halo> I think that would actually be intel's card any how
[06:01] <Halo> it's part of the centrino chipset
[06:01] <souki> srid: what about swf_player ?
[06:01] <ago73> I have a dell wireless and it is working
[06:01] <srid> souki, that sucks
[06:01] <ago73> Dell 9200 with intel ipw2200
[06:01] <srid> souki, firefox plays it fine
[06:01] <srid> i just want it standalone
[06:02] <hizz> i have intel's card
[06:02] <goldfish> k
[06:02] <Halo> this is a dell 8600... with an asus pcmcia
[06:02] <Halo> it uses the rt2500 chipset
[06:02] <hizz> ipw2100
[06:02] <Halo> I have the module compiled, and installed... yet I'm getting nothin
[06:02] <goldfish> i got a dell 8600, with the standard dell internal wireless card, how would i go about setting it up with ubuntu?
[06:02] <ago73> hizz do you have a probelm with ipw?
[06:02] <goldfish> Or will it work?
[06:02] <hizz> not anymore
[06:02] <Anubis> I'm really starting to like this!
[06:02] <Anubis> After only an hour
[06:02] <hizz> goldfish try searching the forums, you might need ndiswrapper
[06:03] <Halo> I don't know if intel has nix drivers or not
[06:03] <goldfish> hizz: okies
[06:03] <ago73> goldfish intel based ipw2200 works, not sure about dell ones.
[06:03] <ewhitten> Anubis:  first time on linux, or just ubuntu?
[06:03] <hizz> ago73: it was conflicting with ACPI irq-wise, but now its fine
[06:03] <souki> Halo: ipw2200 works
[06:03] <Pluk> there are open source drivers now for rt2500
[06:03] <hizz> how do i suspend this machine anyway
[06:03] <Pluk> http://www.bb-zone.com/misc/rt2500/
[06:03] <Halo> I know
[06:03] <Halo> I got those and compiled them
[06:04] <Halo> I've got it sort of kind of working... pretty much everything except for acctually connecting
[06:04] <ago73> hizz my prob was that it could not see my ethernet b44 so set it up eth0 then on reboot it saw the b44 and moved wireless to eth1
[06:04] <Halo> it even gets an ip from the router
[06:04] <hizz> oh
[06:04] <hizz> might be the same problem
[06:04] <goldfish> Are the internal dell cards rt2500 ?
[06:04] <Anubis> ewhitten, just Ubuntu
[06:04] <Halo> my wireless is set as ra0
[06:04] <Halo> no, this isn't internal
[06:04] <Halo> and it's an asus card
[06:04] <Halo> I didn't get the internal card with my laptop because I already had a wireless card :O
[06:04] <ewhitten> Anubis:  same here.  I switched a couple weeks ago, moved up to hoary the other day.  it absolutely rocks.
[06:05] <goldfish> ah right
[06:05] <Anubis> ewhitten, REALLY, I did not think Hoary was ready or availible yet
[06:05] <Halo> The internal dell cards are intel based, and others said they work fine with ubuntu
[06:05] <Anubis> I intsalled using the Warty install
[06:05] <Pluk> Halo, you get an ip but just not internet?
[06:05] <hizz> ago73: you could try adding "acpi=noirq" to the #noaltoptions line in menu.lst
[06:05] <Halo> Perhaps I'll order an internal :O
[06:05] <hizz> then update-grub then reboot
[06:05] <Anubis> how can I upgrade to Hoary?
[06:05] <Halo> Pluk, I've got a thread with all my details
[06:05] <hizz> might be worth a shot
[06:05] <Pluk> link?
[06:05] <ewhitten> Anubis:  it's still in beta.  if you want hoary, just change all the warty references in /etc/apt/sources.list to hoary
[06:05] <Halo> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=144862
[06:05] <Halo> I'm pretty sure that's public
[06:05] <Pluk> ok checking
[06:06] <Halo> my last post is where I'm at
[06:06] <Halo> should be the last post in the thread still
[06:06] <ewhitten> Anubis:  then apt-get update ; apt-get -f dist-upgrade :)
[06:06] <ago73> hizz I had to disable b44 anyway since it was conflicting with dbus-1. Fixing /etc/network/interfaces was easy enough
[06:06] <ewhitten> you might have to do the upgrade a couple times to get everything.
[06:06] <Pluk> Halo, its not public
[06:06] <Halo> Pluk, it's still the last post in that thread
[06:06] <Anubis> wow
[06:06] <Jelte> hi all... it seems ubuntu works fine, but the 3d screensavers are extremely slow (1 or 2 frames a second) ... i think something might not be configured correctly, and tips on where to start looking?
[06:06] <Halo> dammit
[06:06] <Halo> wait
[06:06] <souki> ago73: ?? what is the relation between dbu-1 and b44 iface ???
[06:06] <Jelte> (oh and the fade out when logging off is similarly slow)
[06:06] <Halo> are you getting the huge annoying 'join now' thing?
[06:07] <hizz> oh right
[06:07] <Halo> because you can scroll past that
[06:07] <Anubis> ewhitten, I'm just adding new reposities now, and looking to get my nvidia drivers installed
[06:07] <Halo> it just takes up a whole page is all
[06:07] <ewhitten> Anubis:  need help with the nvidia part?  it's really easy.
[06:07] <LinuxJones> Jelte, you probably have to install the binary drivers for your videocard
[06:07] <ewhitten> i.e. you don't have to get them from nvidia's site and compile.
[06:07] <ago73> souki when /etc/init.d/dbus-1 would start and module b44 was loaded system would freeze
[06:07] <Anubis> ewhitten, Don't know if I need, but would like;)
[06:07] <Jelte> LinuxJones, ah.. nice one... can i do that with synaptic?
[06:07] <Pluk>  Special Message from Senor Lowtax
[06:07] <Pluk> Specified thread was not found in the live forums.
[06:07] <Pluk> Click here to try to view it in the archives.
[06:08] <Halo> Crap
[06:08] <Halo> ok, hang on
[06:08] <hizz> hm how do i best install flash?
[06:08] <ewhitten> Anubis:  just go to synaptic, find kernel-restricted-modules for your running kernel, and then install all the nvidia-glx packages
[06:08] <Halo> I'll upload it to my webspace
[06:08] <Halo> I'd post it here... but there's a lot there
[06:08] <ewhitten> hizz:  in firefox, go to a page that needs it and it should prompt you to install.
[06:08] <Pluk> you could try pastebin.com
[06:08] <LinuxJones> Jelte, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=nvidia
[06:08] <hizz> i just tried that, but it just says it needs blah shockwave, and nothing happens after
[06:09] <Jelte> LinuxJones, thanks!
[06:09] <LesleyB> hello
[06:09] <ewhitten> hizz:  so you need shockwave, not flash?
[06:09] <ago73> souki, see also HP compaq nx5000 http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[06:09] <saif> hizz:  $ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[06:09] <Anubis> ewhitten, can't be that easy?!?
[06:09] <ewhitten> Anubis:  you betcha. :)
[06:10] <Anubis> LOL
[06:10] <hizz> is the flashplayer installer from macromedia ok?
[06:10] <ewhitten> chances are pretty good that it will setup your X configuration and module autoloading as well.
[06:10] <Anubis> ewhitten, I don't have to edit my XFree conf file?
[06:10] <Halo> http://4inthemorn.com/temp/showthread.php.htm
[06:10] <Halo> Pluk
[06:10] <Halo> that should work fine
[06:10] <Anubis> WOW
[06:10] <Anubis> this I gotta see
[06:10] <saif> hizz: what u need is to play flash in ur browswer right?
[06:10] <hizz> yep
[06:10] <ewhitten> Anubis: if you've already edited it for something else, it might not work.  md5sum wouldn't match what ubuntu thinks it should be.
[06:11] <Halo> Pluk, does that load ok for you?
[06:11] <saif> well, just type  $ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[06:11] <hizz> ok thanks
[06:11] <Pluk> Halo, yeah checking now
[06:11] <Halo> ok, thanks
[06:11] <ago73> Anybody having sound working with gaims/gaim in hoary?
[06:11] <saif> hizz: emm, did u add the repositories?
[06:11] <ewhitten> ago73: yup.
[06:11] <Cindux> my sound works
[06:11] <Cindux> with gaim :d
[06:12] <hizz> universe?
[06:12] <Pluk> Halo, can you ping 66.102.11.99 ?
[06:12] <ewhitten> ago73:  you might have to change the gaim sound options from automatic to esd or arts, depending on what you're using.
[06:12] <ago73> ewhitten are u using esound? Did you mod esd.conf?
[06:12] <ewhitten> ago73:  nope.
[06:12] <Pluk> cuz i think its just a dns error
[06:12] <Halo> Pluk, the lights on the card arn't on
[06:12] <Halo> so it's not fully connected
[06:12] <ewhitten> ago73:  yes, I'm using esound, no I didn't modify the configuration
[06:12] <LinuxJones> LesleyB, >> http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/
[06:12] <ycco> http://tinyurl.com/437qh  <-- Could someone take a look at this, and tell me if they think it'd work well under Ubuntu or not?
[06:12] <Anubis> ewhitten, no I have not edited XFree for anything yet
[06:12] <ago73> ewhitten how do you get say tuxracer to play sounds?
[06:13] <LinuxJones> LesleyB, >> see ubuntu link on left
[06:13] <ewhitten> Anubis:  Then it should all just automagically work.  Just run it, then check your files to be sure.
[06:13] <saif> hizz: yes
[06:13] <Cindux> ezzo
[06:13] <ewhitten> I had some extra steps, because of my laptop 1600x1200 display.
[06:13] <Cindux> ycco*
[06:13] <LesleyB> yes LinuxJones
[06:13] <LesleyB> :)
[06:13] <Cindux> it would much cheaper to build it yourself
[06:13] <ewhitten> ago73:  I'm not sure, I don't really play tuxracer.  but WoW works fine. :)
[06:13] <LinuxJones> heh
[06:14] <Simira> help :)
[06:14] <LesleyB> I've just spent a day and a half solid with that
[06:14] <sebastian_> hi
[06:14] <Simira> I'm changing boot device, but get "the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" on grub-install. What to do? (I'm running on lice-cd now
[06:14] <sebastian_> @alll
[06:14] <Pluk> light off should indicate an powered off devide
[06:14] <Pluk> but then you couldnt get an ip from dhcp
[06:14] <goldfish> I HAVE SOUND NOW!
[06:14] <shock> yey
[06:14] <LesleyB> finally worked out my silver Alcatel is rev 2 not rev 4 by looking up old posts I sent to the mailing list ooo about 14 months back when I got it up and running for Suse 8.2
[06:14] <Cindux> lol woo
[06:14] <ewhitten> goldfish:  yay
[06:14] <goldfish> Cool stuff.
[06:14] <goldfish> Thanks :)
[06:14] <Halo> Yeah... so I'm not terribly sure what's going on
[06:14] <Mutacion> graet news :)
[06:15] <Halo> I guess the ip could be from the first time I powered it up
[06:15] <ago73> ewhitten I got gaim to work, thx
[06:15] <Halo> but that time it doesn't get any activity lights
[06:15] <LesleyB> LinuxJones : so I think my firmware is now correct
[06:15] <Halo> just power
[06:15] <ewhitten> ago73: no problem.
[06:15] <ago73> goldfish what was your prob with audio?
[06:15] <LesleyB> LinuxJones : but I fail at LCP negotiations with the host
[06:15] <ewhitten> firmware loading on pcmcia devices can be a bit of a hassle. :(
[06:15] <ago73> ewhitten, what is wow?
[06:15] <goldfish> ago73: I had none.
[06:15] <sebastian_> is anybody here, who can tell me, why I can't join ROSETTA?
[06:15] <Bigglez> Anyone know about the 'wall' command? My ups uses it to signal me, but it doesn't appear on gnome desktop.
[06:15] <Anubis> ewhitten, o enable the driver, run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[06:15] <Cindux> nobodys here
[06:16] <Halo> Pluk, and the gnome wireless activity bar still shows N/A the first time... even with the power lights on
[06:16] <Cindux> 8-D
[06:16] <Simira> sebastian__ have you registered?
[06:16] <goldfish> ago73: The sound device wasn't being reconized or something.
[06:16] <Halo> So it's not working 100% from the get go
[06:16] <sebastian_> I tried, but it fails
[06:16] <ewhitten> Anubis:  you bet.  There's an official guide for nvidia in the wiki as well.
[06:16] <sebastian_> with the error
[06:16] <sebastian_> Sorry, This Isn't Ready Yet
[06:16] <sebastian_> This part of Launchpad is not yet ready for use. It will be available to the public in due course.
[06:16] <sebastian_> In the meantime, perhaps you would like to go to the parts of Launchpad that are ready.
[06:16] <Pluk> Halo, what value gives: cat /sysclass/net/ra0/device/power/state
[06:16] <Pluk> craps
[06:17] <Pluk> .. /sys/class/net/ra0/device/power/state
[06:17] <Halo> cat /sysclass/net/ra0/device/power/state
[06:17] <Halo> lol...
[06:17] <Pluk> typoe
[06:17] <Simira> sebastian_: check if you're using the right page. read the wiki
[06:18] <hizz> hm i think i have universe enabled, but i dont have flash-mozilla
[06:18] <hizz> hm i think i have universe enabled, but i dont have flashplayer-mozilla
[06:18] <Halo> halo@Goliath:~ $ cat /sys/class/net/ra0/device/power/state
[06:18] <Halo> cat: /sys/class/net/ra0/device/power/state: No such file or directory
[06:18] <hizz> oops
[06:18] <Bigglez> On Fedora 1 the wall command would pop-up a window in KDE. What's the story with Gnome on Ubu?
[06:18] <sebastian_> I just filled my E-Mail in the field after clicking of "join" and got an answer of the server with a link inside
[06:19] <ewhitten> hizz:  sudo apt-cache search flashplayer
[06:19] <Halo> there isn't a power folder in the ra0 dir
[06:19] <sebastian_> a click on this links occurs the shown error
[06:19] <Halo> that's where that error comes from
[06:19] <hizz> no hits
[06:19] <hizz> is it on universe?
[06:19] <ewhitten> hizz:  make sure again your line with universe is uncommented, try updating.
[06:20] <hizz> yeah i enabled it in synaptic
[06:20] <ewhitten> hizz:  you could also try multiverse if you're feeling daring.
[06:20] <Bigglez> hizz : I think it's called "flashplayer-mozilla"
[06:20] <hizz> do i need deb-src?
[06:20] <ewhitten> hizz:  but the flash installer straight from macromedia is fine as well.
[06:20] <Pluk> hmmm
[06:20] <ewhitten> no, you shouldn't need deb-src
[06:20] <ewhitten> I'm getting flashplayer-mozilla and flashplayer-nonfree
[06:20] <hizz> im only getting the latter
[06:21] <Halo> but it's got to be powered.... as it picks up the access point
[06:21] <Halo> I just did an iwlist ra0 scanning to test
[06:21] <saif> hizz http://ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla
[06:21] <Halo> it still finds the ap
[06:21] <hizz> flashplugin-nonfree
[06:21] <hizz> oh i forgot about those
[06:21] <Halo> under windows, the lights on this card won't come on until a stable network connection is there
[06:21] <saif> guys, i can't boot to windows
[06:21] <Halo> while it's searching for the ap and etc the lights don't come on
[06:22] <saif> :(
[06:22] <Bigglez> hizz : go to http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ and setup your system like they say - it works!
[06:22] <ewhitten> saif:  that's a good thing! ;)
[06:22] <Halo> but once I connect successfully the lights come on
[06:22] <saif> the reason is a mess with the parition
[06:22] <Halo> so I imagine it's the same story here... I just can't connect successfully and I don't know why :(
[06:22] <saif> ewhitten: not really! :) i need it for development, and work!
[06:23] <cutterjohn> I've got a quick question while I'm here:  packages with dependencies that are NOT in the repos, e.g. xconq is available, but xconq-common is not in warty.  Should these be filed as bugs of some sort?
[06:23] <saif> does any1 know how i can specify a file as an input to sfdisk?
[06:23] <Pluk> Halo,  you could try posting in the ubuntu forums
[06:23] <ewhitten> saif: sorry, just giving you a hard time.
[06:23] <ewhitten> saif:  is your grub not passing off to the windows bootloader?
[06:24] <saif> yes,
[06:24] <saif> it starts, and hangs!
[06:24] <Halo> :(
[06:24] <cutterjohn> (xconq-common is listed as a dependency of xconq... etc.)
[06:24] <Halo> I'll try that I suppose
[06:24] <saif> before the windows booting starts
[06:24] <ago73> ewhitten, I get: open /dev/sequencer: no such file or directory
[06:24] <sebastian_> Simira: thx, I found it.
[06:24] <Yapser> Hi dudes
[06:24] <saif> i remember i had the problem before, i have to ru this command to fix it:
[06:24] <Halo> hey, what's iwprv?
[06:24] <Halo> hey, what's iwpriv?
[06:25] <Pluk> halo you cant ping 66.102.11.99?
[06:25] <ewhitten> Halo:  man iwpriv
[06:25] <Yapser> Does anyone know if the Ubuntu team comes up with a server release of Ubuntu?
[06:25] <ewhitten> :)
[06:25] <Halo> it'll just use my wired connection
[06:25] <saif> sfdisk -d /dev/hda |sfdisk --no-reread -H255 /dev/hda
[06:25] <Halo> when I pull the wired I lose connectivity
[06:25] <cutterjohn> Yapser, IIRC there was talk of a special server release with the release after hoary... i.e. Oct 2005...
[06:25] <ewhitten> saif:  whoa.
[06:25] <saif> the first command gets the current partition info, and the second should save it somewhere!
[06:26] <Pluk> halo ifdown eth0 then ifup ra0
[06:26] <Pluk> that way you box will use the wireless
[06:26] <saif> the problem is, when i run the first i get a warning, what i did was take the info, removed the warning and saved it into a file,
[06:26] <cutterjohn> back to the missing dependencies in the repos, should these be filed as bugs even if they're from universe/multiverse
[06:26] <hizz> aha, i didnt have all the sources configured
[06:26] <saif> now, i need to have that file as an input for the 2nd command, how?
[06:26] <cutterjohn> Yapser, ow. the expert install with base is used for servers, mostly...
[06:26] <Halo> allright.... brb
[06:27] <saif> ewhitten: whoa what?! dangerous?
[06:27] <ewhitten> saif:  you could do a:   cat filename | second command
[06:27] <saif> thanx\
[06:27] <ewhitten> saif:  no, I just haven't seen anyone needing to do that before.
[06:27] <Yapser> ah, will install using that one then! I'm searching for a 'base' system, so i don't want Gnome etc..
[06:27] <cutterjohn> Yapser, good idea for a server...
[06:27] <jdub> Yapser: boot the warty installer with 'custom' (or on hoary, boot with 'server')
[06:27] <winkle> So, Ubuntu (latest snapshot) is having problems identifying my cdrom, it's a hl-dt-st rw/dvd gcc-4481b. It's detected in latest D-I RC though.
[06:28] <cutterjohn> jdub, since you're here, should I file missing dependencies in warty's repo(ppc) universe/multiverse as bugs?
[06:28] <Halo> Pluk :
[06:28] <Pluk> yeah
[06:29] <jdub> cutterjohn: there's currently no place for universe bugs
[06:29] <Halo> $ sudo ifup ra0
[06:29] <Halo> SIOCGMIIPHY on 'ra0' failed: Operation not supported
[06:29] <Halo> Failed to bring up ra0.
[06:29] <Yapser> Operation not suported?
[06:29] <Yapser> hmm
[06:29] <cutterjohn> jdub, thanks, thats what I thought, but I wanted to make sure... should I send email tot he maintainer then I assume?
[06:29] <Pluk> Halo, delete the mii-diag line in /etc/netowrk/interfaces
[06:29] <Pluk> the pre-up line
[06:29] <jdub> cutterjohn: no, that'll just annoy a debian person
[06:30] <klaym> is there a winXP ctrl-alt-del equivalent on ubuntu/gnome?
[06:30] <cutterjohn> jdub: k, I'll just grab the debian source packages then...
[06:30] <ewhitten> klaym:  to see currently running processes?
[06:30] <Halo> done, trying again
[06:30] <Pluk> :)
[06:30] <jdub> cutterjohn: check if the same problem exists in hoary, and add a comment to the MOTU pages on the wiki
[06:30] <ewhitten> click applications -> System Tools -> System Monitor
[06:30] <klaym> ewhitten: yes, and to stop applications
[06:30] <saif> ewhitten: really?? it's a kernel 2.6 bug
[06:30] <klaym> ok thz
[06:31] <cutterjohn> jdub: I'll check, but it might be a few days b4 I get the chance...
[06:31] <ewhitten> saif:  I guess I never hit it... I don't really dual boot these days. :)
[06:31] <saif> ewhitten: lucky u!
[06:31] <Yapser> Oh, anyone knows how to fix the 'mod' bug? It's 3 errors on the bootup. I fixed it before, but i don't know wich file i have to edit :-(
[06:31] <webby> Hi Everyone. I've just installed Ubuntu, and my usb pen doesn't auto mount when I plug it in(cd's do though). How can I fix it?
[06:31] <Yapser> is it visible in /mnt?
[06:31] <dud> heh, i just got a load of ubuntu cds in the mail today
[06:31] <HaloGray> Pluk
[06:31] <saif> guys, there is somethn annoying going with the pckaing system,
[06:31] <dud> ordered like ~3 months ago :o
[06:31] <HaloGray> I love you :*
[06:31] <Yapser> rofl, i got 15 too today.
[06:31] <Pluk> yea
[06:32] <saif> like a package needs apache,
[06:32] <dud> i'd entirely forgot about them
[06:32] <Yapser> 6 weeks
[06:32] <webby> ls /mnt is empty
[06:32] <HaloGray> It works, I get activity lights and all
[06:32] <ewhitten> webby:  try /media
[06:32] <Yapser> gah.
[06:32] <Pluk> yay
[06:32] <saif> and it tells me it can't install because of dependency problems, even though i have apache2
[06:32] <HaloGray> buuuuut.... the gnome wireless connection indicator doesn't know I have a wireless card now
[06:32] <saif> or needs dvdread2
[06:32] <HaloGray> Any configs you know of that may help me educate it?
[06:32] <saif> and i have dvdread2
[06:32] <Yapser> that's because it reads the info from config file i guess?
[06:32] <webby> ewhitten: i have usb0 symlinked to usb, in /media
[06:32] <Pluk> is gnome-wireless looking for ra0?
[06:33] <saif> dvdread 3 rgat is
[06:33] <saif> how do i get around this?
[06:33] <HaloGray> possibly not... I had it set as wlan0 when I had the ndiswrapper drivers going
[06:33] <Pluk> ah rightmousclick
[06:33] <HaloGray> yes, it's looking at ra0
[06:33] <Pluk> there you can change it to ra0
[06:33] <HaloGray> strange....
[06:33] <Pluk> weird
[06:33] <Pluk> but you connected now trough ra0?
[06:34] <HaloGray> yeah, ifconfig shows lo and ra0 and that's it
[06:34] <Pluk> great
[06:34] <ewhitten> webby:  does that contain your files?
[06:34] <HaloGray> and I've got lights for power/activity both on my card
[06:34] <webby> ewhitten: no, it's empty
[06:34] <Pluk> weird thet the gnome-thingy doesnt work
[06:34] <Pluk> that
[06:34] <Pluk> dang my typing sux
[06:34] <ewhitten> webby:  does dmesg report anything?
[06:34] <HaloGray> Yeah... it only worked half assed with the ndiswrapper drivers too
[06:34] <altan> hmm, my sound appears not to work
[06:34] <HaloGray> it showed 100% all the time
[06:34] <Pluk> for wireless monitoring you could try wavemon
[06:34] <HaloGray> even if it was disconnected...
[06:34] <goldfish> How do you set for example xmms as the default player for .mp3 files?
[06:35] <Pluk> its a console program with lotsa info
[06:35] <altan> it was working yesterday, but I don't remember whether it was before or after I compiled a kernel
[06:35] <HaloGray> now it shows n/a all the time... so it's really not that big of a change
[06:35] <webby> ewhitten: it shows the device is inserted, as sbb
[06:35] <webby> sdb*
[06:35] <HaloGray> Now to see if all this was worth it :)
[06:35] <Pluk> :)
[06:35] <ewhitten> goldfish:  right click the file, Properties..
[06:35] <altan> I have onboard sound, and lsmod shows snd_ac97_codec 68996 1 snd_intel8x0
[06:35] <ewhitten> goldfish:  click Open With tab, then Add :)
[06:35] <altan> shouldn't that mean the sound part is loaded?
[06:35] <goldfish> ewhitten: cheers
[06:35] <HaloGray> Using ndiswrapper drivers... if the wireless signal dropped ubuntu would kill off irq port 11
[06:35] <goldfish> :)
[06:36] <HaloGray> which would effectively bunk my card, and oddly enough... my usb mouse too
[06:36] <ewhitten> webby:  can you mount the device manually?
[06:36] <webby> ewhitten: i'm running a custom kernel, so maybe i've misconfigured usb?
[06:36] <HaloGray> I assumed it was because of the windows drivers
[06:36] <Pluk> could be?
[06:36] <HaloGray> I'll found out when the signal drops next time
[06:36] <altan> guys?
[06:36] <ewhitten> it's possible, if maybe the kernel automounting isn't installed right?  (just a guess)
[06:36] <webby> ewhitten: yeah, I can mount it as root
[06:36] <HaloGray> hmmm... in fact, let me reboot the router and find out
[06:36] <Pluk> good luck :D
[06:37] <vijay> can someone help me with setting up my dsl connection
[06:37] <ewhitten> webby:  any particular reason for the custom kernel?
[06:37] <ewhitten> as opposed to using ubuntu and kernel-headers..
[06:37] <HaloGray> hey cool :)
[06:37] <webby> ewhitten: stock kernels wont boot if acpi is enabled
[06:37] <HaloGray> No lost mouse or anything
[06:38] <HaloGray> and wireless reconnected instantly
[06:38] <Pluk> great :)
[06:38] <HaloGray> faster than windows does even :)
[06:38] <Pluk> hail to rt2500
[06:38] <goldfish> vijay: any problems with it?
[06:38] <webby> ewhitten: but compiling my own, it works. (otherwise the hotplug process doesn't finish)
[06:38] <HaloGray> Only took me a day and a half to get working halfway properly too :D
[06:38] <HaloGray> Thank you very much for all your patience and help
[06:38] <Pluk> but you learned a lot now :)
[06:38] <HaloGray> Yeah :)
[06:38] <Pluk> your welcome Halo
[06:38] <HaloGray> I actually installed Arch as my main 'learning distro'
[06:39] <HaloGray> it took a week for me to get to a desktop...
[06:39] <HaloGray> but I learned A LOT
[06:39] <HaloGray> more than tinkering around with red hat in my college linux class tought me in 2 months
[06:39] <Pluk> i started with gentoo :)
[06:39] <Pluk> also great learning curve
[06:39] <vijay> yes goldfish
[06:40] <HaloGray> I tried gentoo first, but it gave me kernel panics when compiling pretty much any big program
[06:40] <Pluk> it can be a pain sometimes yeah
[06:40] <vijay> can we chat goldfish about this problem
[06:40] <ewhitten> webby:  I might suggest reconfiguring your custom kernel, start by using one of the /boot/config-* files ubuntu installs, then adjusting from there.
[06:40] <HaloGray> gnome and kde kernel panicked... and when it takes 5 hours to get said panic... I just gave up on it
[06:40] <HaloGray> went with Arch and got it running
[06:40] <Pluk> i got it running after 48 hours of compiling
[06:40] <webby> ewhitten: right, will do that. thanks for the help
[06:40] <goldfish> vijay: heh, well im new to linux myself but i got my dsl working fine
[06:40] <Pluk> on a dual p2-400 :)
[06:40] <goldfish> vijay: What's the problem?
[06:40] <HaloGray> Heh, took about that long for me to compile the initial kernel
[06:41] <Pluk> then i decided it took too long and went to debian :)
[06:41] <HaloGray> I was on my old thinkpad at that point, mobile p3 500mhz
[06:41] <ewhitten> webby:  no problem.  you might have better luck just changing only what you need to. :)
[06:41] <Slaven> I've gone Fedora -> Gentoo -> MEPIS -> Gentoo -> Xandros -> Gentoo -> Vida Linux -> Ubuntu -> Gentoo -> Ubuntu
[06:41] <HaloGray> I moved to Ubuntu because after awhile... configuring EVERYTHING with arch got to be too much
[06:41] <Pluk> yeah
[06:41] <HaloGray> I got a new laptop, and decided that this time I'd go with the more idiot approach
[06:41] <ewhitten> Slaven:  indecisive much? ;)
[06:41] <HaloGray> I got what I wanted out of arch though, an education :)
[06:41] <Pluk> ubunut is so easy
[06:42] <Pluk> and it s still debian
[06:42] <Yapser> yeah.
[06:42] <Slaven> ewhitten: Gentoo's my fav, but thoose darn nvidia drivers just won't work.
[06:42] <HaloGray> Yeah
[06:42] <Yapser> getting modprobe error ;(
[06:42] <vijay> well i was using suse all these years, then i shifted to FC3 , even there i can connect to my adsl connection easly by just clicking on network and selcting it , putting in my user name and password and bingo i am on the net
[06:42] <HaloGray> It seems to destroy my battery though
[06:42] <HaloGray> In windows, running on battery gives me 4 hours of life
[06:42] <Yapser> Yeah. recompile your kernel
[06:42] <HaloGray> ubuntu gives me about 30 minutes
[06:42] <Yapser> It willn't support your laptop-stuff in default
[06:42] <ewhitten> Slaven:  I had tons of problems with nvidia there too.  I got them working, but decided to switch to ubuntu anyway.  :)
[06:42] <HaloGray> Ah
[06:42] <HaloGray> I'm going to leave it as is for now...
[06:42] <vijay> but i just cannot understand were to start from in ubuntu
[06:42] <HaloGray> I'm done tinkering for a few days
[06:43] <Pluk> HaloGray, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[06:43] <Pluk> your cpu is prolly not throttling
[06:43] <Slaven> ewhitten: I'm more comfortable with Gentoo.
[06:43] <Yapser> guess so.
[06:43] <HaloGray> I don't see a throttle: field
[06:43] <Yapser> It doesn't throttle by default
[06:43] <Pluk> and lots of other powerconsuming things
[06:43] <Yapser> yeah.
[06:43] <Yapser> windows has in it standard
[06:44] <HaloGray> windows has everything in standard... that's why it can be so easy sometimes, and so absolutely awful slow in others
[06:44] <Pluk> powernowd noflushd and laptop-mode are the packages for laptops
[06:44] <HaloGray> I'm trying to get accustomed to Linux so I can get only what I use
[06:44] <ewhitten> Slaven:  I'm more of a fedora core person, but moving away from it.  the only rough thing can be getting mono setup right without the rpms :)
[06:44] <HaloGray> When I was installing Ubuntu it gave a bunch of 'laptop detected' type stuff
[06:44] <HaloGray> So I assumed it'd be all good
[06:44] <Pluk> linux is still more powerhungry then windows though
[06:44] <Pluk> 3.5 hours v.s. 2.45 hours here
[06:45] <HaloGray> loading everything into ram 100% of the time will do that I suppose
[06:45] <Yapser> got kale ubuntu :p
[06:45] <[Tiny] > hi
[06:45] <HaloGray> hello
[06:46] <ewhitten> heh. time to kill my interface with all the laptop-netconf stuff.  later all
[06:46] <cutterjohn> er, another quick question is there any sort of web interface to view the available packages in the ubuntu repos?
[06:46] <Slaven> great, nwresources is here.
[06:46] <Yapser> rofl, a ubuntu install with _nothing_ installed takes 45 mb of ram
[06:47] <HaloGray> cutterjohn, yeah
[06:47] <[Tiny] > have you ever installed KDE on ubuntu?
[06:47] <HaloGray> it's the synaptec package manager
[06:47] <Slaven> time to use thoose nvidia drivers for something else than nice screensavers ;)
[06:47] <Yapser> i've did it.
[06:47] <[Tiny] > how's going?
[06:47] <HaloGray> it's found under computer > system configuration > synaptic by default
[06:47] <Yapser> apt-get install kde worked for me, but gave yikefull stripes on me screen. can be my crappy Inhell videocard too
[06:47] <oomf> how do i set up the gnmoe graphical interface
[06:47] <cutterjohn> HaloGray, have the url handy?  I tried archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu but can only get to the packages archives...
[06:47] <oomf> anyone got a link
[06:47] <oomf> for this
[06:47] <cutterjohn> (which make it scripting time...)
[06:47] <HaloGray> It's built into ubuntu itself
[06:48] <HaloGray> it's a front end for the command line apt-get
[06:48] <[Tiny] > i don't if i should install debian sarge or ubuntu..
[06:48] <Yapser> what do u want to do?
[06:48] <[Tiny] > *i don't know
[06:48] <cutterjohn> Halogray, er, I mean a ONLINE version like Debian has...
[06:48] <[Tiny] > sorry :-)
[06:48] <Yapser> :)
[06:48] <HaloGray> synaptic goes online I believe...
[06:48] <Yapser> yep
[06:48] <HaloGray> checks for new packages and updates and all that
[06:48] <cutterjohn> Halogray, i.e. I don't want to mess with my repo sources and "forget" as that would be painful...
[06:49] <HaloGray> have you taken a look at synaptec?
[06:49] <HaloGray> Just so you can tell me what you'd like to be different... as I'm not sure what you mean
[06:49] <pussfeller> im getting no soundcards found in bootup and theres no /dev/dsp, or anything in /etc/alsa/0.9 but, the modules seem loaded
[06:49] <cutterjohn> Yapser, whats the nothing installed?  and linux or any UNIX like will/should use ALL available RAM for caching eventually...
[06:49] <Panzerboy> hi guys
[06:49] <Panzerboy> ubuntu newbie here
[06:50] <Panzerboy> just a quick question
[06:50] <RuffianSoldier> shoot
[06:50] <cutterjohn> HaloGray, yes, I usually use Synaptic, but to look at say Hoary, I'd have to change all my refs to hoary, then when I want to return to warty(which I do, dialup) I'd have to remember to change them all back to warty again
[06:50] <Panzerboy> is it possible to install ubuntu directly from the hoary live cd?
[06:50] <Yapser> Yeah, it used all ram before :)
[06:50] <Yapser> thought it was a leak.
[06:50] <RuffianSoldier> Panzerboy - i dont think so
[06:50] <Panzerboy> ok
[06:50] <RuffianSoldier> unless you use Gnoppix
[06:50] <RuffianSoldier> which is Ubuntu
[06:50] <cutterjohn> Halogray, I just want a web page on which I can search for package xyz in repo pqr
[06:50] <Panzerboy> because i just had that impression :)
[06:50] <RuffianSoldier> and you can install it frfom the Live CD
[06:50] <Panzerboy> i see
[06:50] <RuffianSoldier> cuz thats what Gnoppix is
[06:51] <Yapser> what's the easiest text editor?
[06:51] <RuffianSoldier> anybody care to correct me if im wrong?
[06:51] <cutterjohn> halogray, for dist uvw
[06:51] <Slaven> Yapser: gedit perhaps?
[06:51] <cutterjohn> Yapser, pico?
[06:51] <Slaven> kate?
[06:52] <cutterjohn> Slaven: no GUI...
[06:52] <Pluk> cutterjohn, there is somehwere an unofficial page for it
[06:52] <Pluk> lemme search
[06:52] <Yapser> rofl, it wants to install 120 mb of packages :)
[06:52] <HaloGray> cutterjohn, I don't know then :(
[06:52] <cutterjohn> Pluk, thanks, Id appreciate it...
[06:53] <raitis> where can i get GLib?
[06:53] <cutterjohn> Yapser, for pico?
[06:53] <raitis> Checking for GLib (GModule) >= 2.2.0... not found, see /root/.xfce4.installer-log for details
[06:53] <HaloGray> hey pluk
[06:53] <HaloGray> I fear rebooting....
[06:53] <Yapser> no, for gedit :)
[06:53] <HaloGray> I fear it a lot
[06:53] <Yapser> got Pico already (nano)
[06:53] <cutterjohn> Yapser, yeah it'll want a good chunk of GTK + GNOME...
[06:53] <Yapser> yeah :/
[06:53] <HaloGray> Is there something I can do to auto-add the interface on boot?
[06:54] <Yapser> but i want a easy texteditor so i can chance config files
[06:54] <cutterjohn> Yapser, try pico? or nano(?)
[06:54] <Yapser> but don't want graphical shit
[06:54] <Yapser> using nano now :)
[06:54] <cutterjohn> Yapser, there's also vim or emacs, but I dont recomend them if you're not familiar with them, and they ARE large...
[06:54] <HaloGray> nano is my favorite command line editor
[06:54] <Yapser> know :)
[06:55] <Yapser> vim is in _all_ distributions..hehe
[06:55] <HaloGray> gedit is nice for graphics though
[06:55] <cutterjohn> }:)
[06:55] <HaloGray> vim is not hardcore :P
[06:55] <Yapser> openoffice :P
[06:55] <RuffianSoldier> gedit gownsit
[06:55] <HaloGray> ed
[06:55] <TheButteryWonder> dir
[06:55] <HaloGray> that's hardcore
[06:55] <cutterjohn> death to emacs! };)
[06:55] <dud> i like nano as well
[06:55] <Yapser> rol
[06:55] <Yapser> mourniing bellll
[06:55] <HaloGray> In the linux class I took awhile back... the first 2 weeks were learning how to use ed
[06:55] <HaloGray> I've forgotten... just about all of it
[06:56] <HaloGray> god that thing is a nightmare
[06:56] <cutterjohn> Halogray, someone still expects to be so fubarred as to only have ed?
[06:56] <HaloGray> it was a server class
[06:56] <cutterjohn> Halogray, even on a server
[06:56] <HaloGray> so it's better to have the knowledge and not need it, then to not have it and need it
[06:56] <HaloGray> trying to learn ed while your server is down wouldn't be very cool
[06:57] <HaloGray> In the world of live cds though... I don't see it every being necessary
[06:57] <HaloGray> ever*
[06:57] <cutterjohn> Halogray, wouldn't bother, would either get something else going, or that server is so fubarred its restore time
[06:57] <HaloGray> sometimes those arn't an option
[06:58] <HaloGray> restoring to an hour ago when 100 employees have been punching into the database effectively loses 100 hours of work
[06:58] <cutterjohn> HaloGray, you could also network mount it, or move the drives temporarily...
[06:58] <dud> some linux classes act more like you're learning at&t unix time sharing V 1
[06:58] <cutterjohn> dud, thats because theyre recycle sysv classes...
[06:58] <Pluk> cutterjohn, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[06:58] <cutterjohn> Pluk, thanks
[06:58] <Pluk> yw
[06:58] <HaloGray> WB pluk
[06:58] <Pluk> ty :)
[06:58] <Pluk> already rebooted? :P
[06:59] <HaloGray> no...
[06:59] <cutterjohn> heh heh good to go...
[06:59] <dud> cutterjohn, or the instructors are 50 years old and havent kept with the times :P
[06:59] <HaloGray> I have rt2500 loaded into modules... but is there something to edit so it will come up automagically?
[06:59] <Pluk> itll prolly get autodetected
[06:59] <Pluk> if not you have to add it to /etc/modules
[07:00] <HaloGray> the instructor of that class didn't have much expereince with x windows
[07:00] <HaloGray> he's been command lining his whole life
[07:00] <dud> a friend of mine has an rt2500 card... apparently its rather difficult getting it working
[07:00] <HaloGray> yes... yes it is
[07:00] <HaloGray> but it works now :)
[07:00] <HaloGray> I'm going to reboot and see what happens... wish me luck
[07:00] <Pluk> gl :)
[07:00] <HaloGray> it's already added in /etc/modules FYI
[07:06] <PuGz> hey everyone... i am trying to conifure postfix on my dialup ubuntu warty system
[07:06] <Pluk> takes a long time b4 halo is back..
[07:06] <Yapser> where is the apt-get config file located?
[07:06] <PuGz> i have followed the instructions online in the faqs and got it to what I think should work
[07:06] <Yapser> want to enable 'universe' sources
[07:06] <PuGz> /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:07] <pussfeller> where are thekernel modules located
[07:07] <PuGz> /lib/modules/<kernel version>/
[07:07] <PuGz> but i have errors when i check mailq for my postfix:
[07:08] <PuGz> 18EC3C0C0       299 Sun Feb  6 01:40:30  woodsb02@student.uwa.edu.au
[07:08] <PuGz>                           (delivery temporarily suspended: deferred transport)
[07:08] <PuGz>                                          woodsb02@student.uwa.edu.au
[07:08] <PuGz> why doesnt it deliver properly?
[07:08] <PuGz> anyone know how to stop it from deferring? and just deliver!
[07:09] <NermalLaptop> logfile?
[07:09] <Pluk> prolly it isnt allowed to? cuz if it was youd be an open relay?
[07:11] <PuGz> actually -> i just got it to work!
[07:11] <PuGz> i had to call the following command:
[07:11] <jouberp> hi all
[07:11] <PuGz> sudo postfix flush
[07:11] <Pluk> congrats :)
[07:11] <PuGz> will i have to do that everytime i want to send the mail in the system?
[07:11] <Pluk> hi jouberp
[07:11] <lerio> hi. i need advices to tweak hoary to its limits
[07:12] <PuGz> or is there a way to set it up to do it each 4 mins or whatever
[07:12] <oomf> how do i configure the x server?
[07:12] <oomf> anyone know
[07:12] <jouberp> can some one please help me with permission on kppp
[07:12] <oomf> or gnome
[07:12] <Pluk> if you have to flush by hand you should check cron
[07:12] <Yapser> i can't ssh to my ubuntu box
[07:12] <PuGz> oomf, manually by /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /etc/X11/xorg.conf (if you use xorg)
[07:12] <Pluk> it can do it every x minutes/days ..
[07:12] <Halo> ...
[07:12] <Halo> back on wired :(
[07:12] <Pluk> but i think it hsould work auto
[07:13] <Halo> no amount of ifup ra0 works out
[07:13] <Pluk> what went wrong halo
[07:13] <jouberp> the root can use it but not the users
[07:13] <PuGz> Pluk, good idea!
[07:13] <Halo> it didn't detect it on boot
[07:13] <Halo> and now it's not detecting the network at all
[07:13] <Halo> $ sudo ifup ra0
[07:13] <Halo> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
[07:13] <Halo>     SET failed on device ra0 ; Network is down.
[07:13] <Halo> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
[07:13] <Halo>     invalid argument "managed".
[07:13] <Halo> Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :
[07:13] <Halo>     SET failed on device ra0 ; Network is down
[07:14] <Halo> sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[07:14] <Halo> sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[07:14] <Halo> Listening on LPF/ra0/00:0e:a6:98:b7:8f
[07:14] <Halo> Sending on   LPF/ra0/00:0e:a6:98:b7:8f
[07:14] <Halo> Sending on   Socket/fallback
[07:14] <Halo> DHCPDISCOVER on ra0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4
[07:14] <Halo> DHCPDISCOVER on ra0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6
[07:14] <Halo> DHCPDISCOVER on ra0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 11
[07:14] <Halo> DHCPDISCOVER on ra0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 13
[07:14] <Halo> DHCPDISCOVER on ra0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 16
[07:14] <Halo> DHCPDISCOVER on ra0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 11
[07:14] <Halo> No DHCPOFFERS received.
[07:14] <Halo> No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[07:14] <jasonf> holy crap
[07:14] <Halo> ideas?
[07:14] <jasonf> that's a flood
[07:14] <Halo> sorry :(
[07:14] <jasonf> that's the damn definition of a flood
[07:14] <jasonf> hell, that's a tsunami
[07:14] <Halo> oh come on
[07:14] <Pluk> Halo, www.pastebin.com is great for that
[07:14] <Halo> it could have been a lot more
[07:14] <Pluk> jasonf, LOL
[07:15] <Halo> eth0 gives the same error for sit0
[07:15] <Halo> gives 2 dhcp requests, and then gets online
[07:15] <Halo> taking it back offline, and trying ra0 again... no go
[07:15] <Halo> using gnome to try, no go
[07:15] <oomf> pugz: its not working
[07:15] <pussfeller> since I have to modprobe my sound mod manually, where do I add that into the startup
[07:16] <PuGz> oomf, what about it isnt working?
[07:16] <pussfeller> in /etc/modules?
[07:16] <Pluk> pusling, /etc/modules
[07:16] <Pluk> craps
[07:16] <Pluk> yeah there
[07:16] <pussfeller> ty
[07:16] <oomf> pugz:no file or directory foud
[07:16] <PuGz> oomf, could try letting it auto detect: sudo xf86cfg
[07:16] <oomf> k
[07:16] <PuGz> oomf, you using warty or hoary?
[07:16] <oomf> wawrty
[07:16] <Halo> ifconfig shows ra0 though... no ip with it
[07:17] <sulkd> wawrrr
[07:17] <Pluk> Halo, lsmod
[07:17] <oomf> pugz: i typeed in the sudo and it asks for a password
[07:17] <oomf> then
[07:17] <PuGz> oomf, that is your own user password
[07:17] <Pluk> does that list rt2500?
[07:18] <oomf> it says nothing found after i tpye in pass
[07:18] <sulkd> oomf, sudo -s is maybe what you're trying for
[07:18] <Halo> yes
[07:18] <oomf> then what do i write in
[07:18] <oomf> after i type that
[07:18] <Pluk> then i dont have a clue halkeye
[07:19] <Pluk> halo
[07:19] <Halo> rt2500                144736  1
[07:19] <sulkd> oomf, dunno what do you want to do?
[07:19] <Pluk> too many ppl here i cant tab a name ok
[07:19] <Halo> ok?
[07:20] <oomf> sulkd: im tring to get to the config for the x server
[07:20] <sulkd> oomf, you want to edit it?
[07:20] <PuGz> this may seem silly? but is there a way to get evolution to check for mail at startup? Every other mail client seems to have that option...
[07:20] <sulkd> oomf, pico /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:20] <Halo> Pluk, what about all this?
[07:20] <oomf> sulkd: its not running and it said i have to configure it
[07:20] <Halo> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
[07:20] <Halo>     SET failed on device ra0 ; Network is down.
[07:20] <Halo> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
[07:20] <Halo>     invalid argument "managed".
[07:20] <Halo> Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :
[07:20] <Halo>     SET failed on device ra0 ; Network is down.
[07:20] <PuGz> Halo, you gotta quit doin that!
[07:21] <PuGz> hehe
[07:21] <Halo> :(
[07:21] <sulkd> oomf, oh I see..
[07:22] <PuGz> so anyone know how to make evolution check for mail at startup?
[07:22] <Halo> why not use thunderbird :D
[07:22] <Pluk> Halo,  paste you /etc/network/interfaces on www.pastebin.com again
[07:22] <rubenv> PuGz: doesn't it do that?
[07:22] <rubenv> just hit F9
[07:23] <Pluk> i thought evol did that in background
[07:23] <spiral> hi
[07:23] <sulkd> oomf, try this: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[07:23] <Halo> http://www.pastebin.com/23769
[07:24] <PuGz> rubenv, not by default it doesnt
[07:24] <pussfeller> im pretty sure evol does
[07:24] <Halo> should I try adding it via the gnome wizard?
[07:25] <PuGz> Halo, thunderbird is good, but can't receive local system mail... plus its only 0.8 in warty
[07:25] <rubenv> it does query my imap
[07:25] <PuGz> pussfeller, nope... it just checks after the amount of time you specify for interval mail checks
[07:25] <sri> hey has anybody gotten any problems with hoary on teh latest updates?
[07:25] <rubenv> sri: you've got probs?
[07:27] <pussfeller> hmm cause it did with fedora
[07:27] <sri> rubenv: yeah
[07:27] <pussfeller> or so i thot
[07:27] <Pluk> Halo, try with this one http://www.pastebin.com/237704
[07:27] <rubenv> sri: what's breaking?
[07:27] <sri> rubenv: my gnome icons are replaced with something strnage
[07:27] <PuGz> actually... looking at it again... maybe it does... it just doesnt give you any notification AT ALL that it is doing it... except maybe the stop sign lighting up
[07:27] <sri> rubenv: the really old icons from gmc
[07:27] <sri> rubenv: and also my X pointer is a square with lines
[07:27] <Niels2> Dear master: I just installed ubuntu (with universe enabled) but I would like to fetch a few packages from sid. Can I add sid to sources list without screwing everything up?
[07:28] <rubenv> sri: eh? that sounds like massive fubar
[07:28] <sri> rubenv: yeah.it happened after I updated this morning.
[07:28] <Halo> Pluk, ok I'll try that
[07:28] <Halo> I have lo and eth0 there too... I just didn't post them because I thought they were irrevivent
[07:28] <sri> rubenv: so I'm not sure whats going on, I fooled with xorg.conf but I can't seem to get rid of that strange pointer.
[07:29] <PuGz> minimizing things to the system tray (eg Evolution)... is kdocker the only way?
[07:30] <rubenv> that surely doesn't sound like a common problem
[07:30] <pussfeller> is antialiasing off by default on the fonts or somehting
[07:30] <cutterjohn> yet another quick question: is there a way to get apt to check dependencies for all packages without trying to install them? i.e. I want an automated dependency check without having to install the packages...
[07:30] <pussfeller> cause they look ugly
[07:30] <sri> rubenv: yeah, so I'm not sure whats going on.  My computers at home using nvidia and ati work fine.
[07:30] <Pluk> cutterjohn, apt-get install -s *
[07:30] <cutterjohn> pluk, d'oh
[07:30] <rubenv> i'd go bug the devs in #ubuntu-devel if I were you, this ain't no regular problem
[07:30] <Pluk> :)
[07:31] <PuGz> For info about evolutions mail checking at startup => http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/evolution/2003-March/027846.html
[07:31] <sri> rubenv: are they on their own server? or on freenode?
[07:31] <rubenv> just here on freenode
[07:31] <sri> ok
[07:32] <raydogg_> Has anyone ever installed pear pc on ubuntu?
[07:32] <PuGz> minimizing things to the system tray (eg Evolution)... is kdocker the only way?
[07:32] <Niels2> I would like to install a few packages from sid (grace octave-forge wings3d + some more) on my ubunty laptop. What is the easiest way to do this?
[07:32] <raydogg_> i get a configure error "cannot find xopendisplay in -lx11
[07:33] <raydogg_> when i do ./configure
[07:33] <raydogg_> for pearpc
[07:33] <Halo> back again...
[07:33] <Halo> that was a no go
[07:33] <Halo> interesting thing when I enabled eth0 though
[07:33] <cutterjohn> Pluk, actually thats not going to work without a list of packages...
[07:34] <cutterjohn> Pluk, * expands to files in the current directory...
[07:34] <Halo> it said Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A): SET failed on device eth0; Operation not supported
[07:34] <Pluk> the * was a wildcard
[07:34] <Halo> on my eth0 intereface...
[07:35] <cutterjohn> Pluk, ok, then to modify the question is there an easy way to generate a list of all available packages in the repos and pass it to apt-get install -s ?
[07:35] <cutterjohn> Pluk, I want to do a global check...
[07:35] <Pluk> ah you wan tto dependency check all files
[07:35] <cutterjohn> Pluk, yes
[07:35] <Pluk> ALL files
[07:35] <cutterjohn> Pluk, ALL
[07:35] <Pluk> omg
[07:35] <Pluk> lol
[07:36] <cutterjohn> Pluk, I'm trying to build a list for hoary, since Ive found a few by accident already in warty
[07:36] <Halo> my wireless situation is aggrevating me :(
[07:36] <Amaranth> list of what?
[07:36] <Halo> It was working... and now it is not
[07:36] <cutterjohn> Pluk, e.g. xconq
[07:36] <Pluk> you have to script then i think
[07:36] <Halo> what the hell is different this time?
[07:36] <cutterjohn> Pluk, oh well, a scripting I shall go then...
[07:37] <Pluk> theres a way to donwload the whole index
[07:37] <Stinky_Taco> hmmm, i just installed Thunderbird from APT-get, and i get the message, : DOUBLE-CLICK: 300 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8--> -1 FILE: [xpconnect wrapper nsIFile]  ** Loading the extensions datasource...... DID I just get a ADWARE virus??? Doubleclick is a BIG scumbag advertizeing agancy known for Spyware...
[07:37] <cutterjohn> Pluk, which file would they be in, I grabbed the packages compressed file for hoary with all of the descriptions, which is what I was going to try to use...
[07:37] <Stinky_Taco> or is that pert of thunderbird?
[07:37] <Stinky_Taco> part
[07:37] <Pluk> ah it generates the same file
[07:37] <cutterjohn> Pluk, well at least universe's
[07:38] <Pluk> dunno what command it was though
[07:38] <Pluk> thought it was with apt-get
[07:38] <cutterjohn> Pluk, no I checked, and did a q&d try with apt-cache... there's go to be something somewhere..
[07:38] <Pluk> or maybe with apt-ftparchive
[07:38] <pippin> hmm,. are you asked for a root password during ubuntu install?
[07:39] <pussfeller> i was so surprised ubuntu was so easy to install...
[07:39] <cutterjohn> Pluk, hmmm... maybe, I guess I'll have to try and dig a little before giving up and scripting a hack...
[07:39] <Pluk> well with that file you could try writing a script for checking dependencies
[07:39] <Pluk> goodluck
[07:39] <cutterjohn> Pluk, but you'd think that there was a way to do this, like rpm -q
[07:39] <cutterjohn> Pluk, then feeding the output to a dummy install attempt...
[07:39] <altan> how do I go into a hidden directory in a file selection dialog that has no address bar?
[07:39] <altan> (GAIM)
[07:39] <Pluk> rpm -q check dependencies of the whole repo?
[07:40] <cutterjohn> Pluk, no, but it would give a list of all packages
[07:40] <Pluk> ah
[07:40] <cutterjohn> Pluk, which could be passed to a dummy install...
[07:40] <Pluk> yeah there is an easy way to generate that list
[07:40] <Pluk> dunno what it was though
[07:40] <Pluk> done it once
[07:41] <cutterjohn> Pluk, well, I'll go dig, and if I find it, add it to the comments on the wiki...
[07:41] <Halo> rebooting again...
[07:41] <terry> How can I use stuff like CPU temp and Power Saving on an Atlon64(Nforce Chipset)
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[07:42] <Niels2> cutterjohn: If you wish to check for dependencies of all packages, there is apt-get check
[07:43] <snowblink> cutterjohn: apt-rdepends?
[07:43] <terry> Stinky_Taco where would I find that??
 also if you are in GNOME there is a way to add one to your tool bar just rightclick on the toolbar on the top of screen and add component
[07:43] <Stinky_Taco> or add applett,
[07:43] <Stinky_Taco> I am in XFce I dont know the correct word...
[07:44] <Stinky_Taco> there is a system monitor and a network monitor...
[07:45] <terry> Stinky_Taco, I want CPU temperature
[07:45] <terry> and powersaving
[07:48] <NermalLaptop> acpi -v should tell you
[07:48] <NermalLaptop> acpi -V even
[07:49] <Joe-T3H> hi, I am after some software to use. Basically I want to be able to play music from my line out and also from mp3 files. If it is graphically attractive thats a very good pro. Any help is great :D
[07:51] <Halo> hey pluk
[07:51] <Halo> I got the wireless up again by uncommenting all the info I had on the network
[07:52] <Halo> sort of defeats the purpose of dhcp though...
[07:53] <Pluk> thats odd Halo
[07:53] <Halo> very... even more so when you figure it didn't need it the first time it found everything
[07:53] <Pluk> cutterjohn, apt-cache pkgnames > file
[07:53] <Pluk> yeah
[07:53] <vasi> hey folks...live cd on ppc is working pretty well :-)
[07:54] <Halo> well.. time for a reboot again, lets see if the 'everything but the actual ip is specified' interfaces config works on boot
[07:54] <vasi> couldn't detect that i needed a wireless key
[07:54] <vasi> and uh...seems to think my desktop is on battery power!.
[07:54] <vasi> but otherwise cool :-)
[07:54] <goldfish> hey there, was just wondering, i can only get a resolution of 1450 x 1050 now, but the live cd ran at full screen, is there anyway i can go full screen on the install version?
[07:55] <vasi> goldfish, you may have to edit your XFree86Config (XorgConfig now?)
[07:55] <goldfish> I see.
[07:55] <goldfish> em... im brand new to linux, like what wud I have to do?
[07:55] <goldfish> :)
[07:55] <vasi> i think running dpkg -reconfigure xorg (or something like that) would be useful
[07:56] <goldfish> ah right, i had problems with this.
[07:56] <vasi> but i just booted hoary for the first time
[07:56] <goldfish> ubuntu wouldn't boot into gui mode
[07:56] <vasi> so i'm not sure how much changed since warty
[07:56] <goldfish> i had to do some dpkg stuff
[07:57] <vasi> probably 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' ?
[07:57] <vasi> and then it asked you a bunch of questions?
[07:57] <RuffianSoldier> http://img205.exs.cx/img205/8260/screenshot0js.jpg
[07:57] <vasi> (one of which is hopefully what resolutions you wish to use)
[07:57] <neofeed> Bugs Bugs Bugs.... :: OpenTTD works completely broken on Hoary (lages like mad  even though I'm running on nvidia's driver; libglade-java is broken! Buttonlistener fscked up!
[07:58] <goldfish> Package `xserver-xorg' is not installed and no info is available.
[07:58] <goldfish> ?
[07:58] <vasi> ooh openttd is fun
[07:58] <vasi> goldfish, are you running warty or hoary?
[07:58] <goldfish> warty
[07:58] <vasi> ah ok
[07:58] <goldfish> I think :)
[07:58] <vasi> so then it's uhhh
[07:58] <shock> is there a "blueSteel" theme for metacity?
[07:58] <shock> anyone know thaT?
[07:58] <vasi> do        dpkg -l '*xfree*'
[07:59] <Halo> ok.... now that's just plain fucked up
[07:59] <vasi> a list of packages will come up
[07:59] <vasi> whichever one has 'server' in its name is what you want instead of xserver-xorg
[07:59] <Halo> It didn't detect it on boot, so the first thing I did was open a terminal and try to ra down, ra up
[07:59] <Halo> it gave a bunch of 'network not found' errors like usual
[07:59] <Halo> so I canceled and did it again right away.... found everything right away
[07:59] <Halo> 3rd time's the charm I guess?
[08:00] <Pluk> weird
[08:00] <Pluk> maybe something in the dhcp cache
[08:00] <Pluk> just guessing here
[08:00] <Pluk> or the driver is still a little buggy?
[08:00] <Halo> the driver is reported to still be buggy
[08:00] <goldfish> vasi: ah ok, i found it, ill try that, thanks.
[08:00] <Halo> So I suppose that could be it
[08:01] <Halo> also could explain why gnome has no idea it's online
[08:01] <LesleyB> hello it's me again :\
[08:01] <Pierre_> hi again
[08:01] <Halo> I suppose I could write a shell script to try and find the network 4 or 5 times in a row
[08:02] <Halo> if grep sees a network error message, quick stop and try again
[08:02] <Halo> for 5 times or so
[08:02] <Halo> if nothing detected after 5 tries, it's probably because the router is down or I'm not at home... as this IS a laptop :)
[08:02] <LesleyB> I have an Alcatel modem which in the past has been known to work under SuSE 8.2 I know because I installed it and gotit runing
[08:03] <goldfish> Anyone want to play iSketch?
[08:03] <goldfish> shit
[08:03] <goldfish> wrong window :)
[08:03] <Pluk> :D
[08:03] <Pluk> isketch is fun
[08:03] <goldfish> yep, very addictive :)
[08:03] <Pierre_> I have a Duxbury external ISDN modem and it seems to only connect at 9600 is there something I can do to correct this?
[08:03] <vasi> argh this is so weird....
[08:04] <vasi> why the heck does on_ac_power tell me i'm on battery
[08:04] <vasi> when there IS no battery, it's a desktop system?
[08:04] <vasi> anybody ever heard of such a thing?
[08:04] <electrichamster> hello
[08:04] <Pierre_> hi
[08:04] <electrichamster> quick question, does the default ubuntu install use xfree86 or xorg?
[08:05] <rubenv> warty: yes
[08:05] <Pluk>   warty does xfree86
[08:05] <rubenv> hoary: no
[08:05] <Pluk> hoary xorg
[08:06] <esher> how can i disable some installed packages from apt that there never be updated again (ignore) when i do command apt-get upgrade ?
[08:06] <electrichamster> has hoary actually been released yet?
[08:06] <zenrox> electrichamster,  not yet
[08:06] <goldfish> ah shit
[08:06] <Pluk> hoary will be in april or somthing
[08:06] <goldfish> Pluk: Can u get the shockwave plugin to play isketch on ubuntu?
[08:07] <electrichamster> can I just use apt to remove xfree86 and then install xorg without too many problems?
[08:07] <Halo> it's xorg by default
[08:07] <Halo> I'm pretty sure....
[08:07] <iocaste> Does anyone know how I can burn the PPC Live CD with a external Firewire burner? For some reason the .iso crashes the OS X disk utility and CDRecord doesn't support external burners.
[08:07] <vasi> goldfish, only on x86
[08:07] <goldfish> emm...
[08:08] <vasi> iocaste, get Toast :-/
[08:08] <LesleyB> I have just been using http://www.linux-usb.org/SpeedTouch/ with nosuccess; My alcatel is silver but it's a rev 2 not a rev 4 so I changed from trying ZZZL_3.012 to KD6_3.012.  This got slightly better results; I alt least got to LCP status tho' with debug option and kdebug 2 I found that the two machines where rejecting each others requests and just not authenticating : No authentication possible message : so then I hunt around the ubun
[08:08] <Pluk> goldfish, nope
[08:08] <goldfish> ah shit
[08:08] <iocaste> ugh.. don't own Toast
[08:08] <Pluk> goldfish, lemme try to install some shockwave
[08:08] <engie> Hi. I've just installed warty, and I swear it didn't ask me for a root pw. Is there a default one?
[08:08] <vasi> iocaste, it *should* burn fine with disk utility though
[08:08] <vasi> are you sure your iso is ok? maybe md5 it
[08:08] <goldfish> Pluk: I went to the shockwave site and it said cant find a version to match your web browser and platform
[08:09] <iocaste> yes. this problem was mentioned on Slashdot as well. I think it's happening a lot
[08:09] <goldfish> but im a n00bie :)
[08:09] <Pluk> goldfish, from macromedia: At present, there are not Linux versions of QuickTime, Macromedia Shockwave Player, and various other Windows browser plugins
[08:09] <sri> does anybody know where the X pointers get stored in ubuntu?
[08:09] <goldfish> righteo
[08:09] <goldfish> Suppose i'll have to boot to windoze
[08:09] <goldfish> :(
[08:10] <Pluk> never use macromedia anymore untill they take linux serieus
[08:10] <LesleyB> dont worry goldfish you'll soon be as insane as the rest of us
[08:10] <iocaste> vasi: how do I go about md5-ing it (slight noob here ;) ?
[08:10] <Pluk> :P
[08:10] <Halo> linux searching is insanely faster than windows searching
[08:10] <goldfish> LesleyB: Hopefully :)
[08:10] <Halo> I fire a find command and I can feel the heat poor off my hard drive
[08:10] <LesleyB> I swear this thing is going to drive me mad, goldfish
[08:10] <Halo> does it use indexing?
[08:10] <vasi> iocaste that's ok :-)  just type 'openssl md5 ' and then drag and drop the iso into the terminal window
[08:11] <engie> Ahh, I can change it with sudo passwd root
[08:11] <vasi> then hit return, and wait a bit
[08:11] <LesleyB> I've been swapping the modem from this XP box to the Ubuntu box all day
[08:11] <LesleyB> I am so fed up with the whole idea of Linux
[08:11] <iocaste> vasi: I'll give that a go. That's appreciated. Thanks
[08:11] <vasi> Pluk, i thought macromedia had a flash plugin for linux x86?
[08:11] <LesleyB> I feel I have two alternatives: slash me wrists and firget about living or just use my hardware to play minesweeper all day
[08:11] <Pluk> shockwave and flash are different
[08:11] <snowblink> Halo: locate is even faster (uses a DB)
[08:12] <LesleyB> it's better than going round in this maddening loop going nowhere
[08:12] <vasi> np iocaste...though i'm gonna plug my stuff, and say you might want to give Fink a try :-)
[08:12] <Pluk> Halo, i prefer locate
[08:12] <LesleyB> ubuntu does a pretty good mahjong tho I suppose I should be happy with that
[08:13] <Pluk> downside you have to run update-db once in a while
[08:14] <vasi> is there a bug tracker for ubuntu?
[08:14] <snowblink> Pluk: I believe it is cronned be default
[08:14] <Pluk> ah yeah true
[08:15] <Pluk> had to run it by hand in the old days
[08:15] <Pluk> couldve added it to cron then
[08:15] <Pluk> but somehow never did
[08:16] <snowblink> LesleyB: hi. :) You could always get a proper DSL router. ;)
[08:17] <LesleyB> don't want one snowblink
[08:17] <LesleyB> but do you know if debian and ubuntu manage to distinguish between the Alcatel 330 and the Alcatel USB modems? they are different
[08:17] <kent> does anybody know what to do, to make a partition show up in computer://?  My brother added a ide-drive to his computer, and he want it to show up in computer:// along with the cd etc. I mean,  that sort of is the expected bahaviour.. ?
[08:18] <gsuveg> ipw2200 + wpa supported under warty ?
[08:18] <Pierre_> cheers
[08:19] <LesleyB> well you have to partition it first I think kent
[08:19] <LesleyB> and then format the partitions
[08:19] <LesleyB> and then mount the partitions
[08:19] <zazeem> what pachage do i need to play mp3's?
[08:19] <zazeem> k
[08:19] <zazeem> age
[08:20] <zazeem> ??????????
[08:20] <NermalLaptop> zazeem, loads
[08:20] <zazeem> loads?
[08:20] <NermalLaptop> xmms, beep media player, mpg123 ?
[08:20] <NermalLaptop> there are loads of mp3 players
[08:21] <LesleyB> and you might need to look at /etc/fstab as well kent
[08:21] <zazeem> what packets do i need from syn?
[08:21] <Rocha> xmms and beep sucks
[08:21] <Rocha> use totem
[08:21] <Rocha> (if you use gnome)
[08:21] <LesleyB> hda is the first disk and hdb should be the 2nd disk
[08:21] <zazeem> isnt there a mad pack or something?
[08:21] <NermalLaptop> Rocha, no thanks..
[08:21] <LesleyB> yes zazeem we are *all* here
[08:21] <zazeem> ?
[08:21] <zazeem> ...
[08:22] <zazeem> lol
[08:22] <zazeem> whats that mad pack thing?
[08:22] <NermalLaptop> bloody newbies
[08:22] <NermalLaptop> wtf are you talking about ?
[08:22] <neofeed> kent, got it done by now?
[08:22] <snowblink> zazeem: ubuntuguide
[08:22] <zazeem> for lstening to mp3s
[08:22] <neofeed> Where can I royaly complain?
[08:22] <zazeem> been there
[08:22] <Pluk> god i wish solidworks was ported
[08:22] <NermalLaptop> zazeem, why don't you just do what we say?
[08:22] <Pluk> then i couldve dumped windows totally
[08:22] <NermalLaptop> and install one of the mp3 players we listed
[08:22] <zazeem> whatd u say?
[08:22] <zazeem> i did xmms
[08:23] <NermalLaptop> well then
[08:23] <zazeem> says there is no plugin installed to handle mp3 file
[08:24] <zazeem> im trying to figure out the one that had mad in it
[08:24] <zazeem> worked last time i forgot name something-mad
[08:24] <zazeem> ???????
[08:25] <darksatanic> zazeem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:25] <zazeem> danke
[08:25] <zazeem> there we go gstreamer-mad :)
[08:25] <zazeem> ?
[08:25] <zazeem> ,,,,wtf?
[08:25] <zazeem> english plz
[08:25] <NermalLaptop> fuck you
[08:26] <darksatanic> Just for your information, the name of the package is also obtainable by going to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ and typing "mp3" into the search box.
[08:26] <zazeem> lol??
[08:26] <darksatanic> It's the first page in the list.
[08:26] <zazeem> k
[08:26] <zazeem> danke
[08:31] <soulsyphon> hi, how do i capture screenshots on the commandline?
[08:31] <mike_douglas> import -window screenshot.png
[08:32] <soulsyphon> hmm ok
[08:32] <soulsyphon> there was a specific tool but i forget the name i think it was fbgrab
[08:32] <soulsyphon> :S
[08:32] <mike_douglas> sorry, thats import -window root screenshot.png
[08:33] <soulsyphon> ok thanks
[08:33] <snowblink> soulsyphon: you can set up keyboard shortcuts for screenshots. Dunno if that's what you're after...
[08:34] <LesleyB> bbfn
[08:34] <soulsyphon> im good i think
[08:34] <soulsyphon> im pretty happy with ubuntu so far
[08:37] <Halo> ok... more help needed :(
[08:37] <Halo> I'm trying to mount my 2ndary ntfs partition
[08:37] <Halo> the primary windows partition works, but the 2ndary poots in my general direction
[08:37] <zazeem> ?
[08:37] <douglas> hi !
[08:38] <snowblink> Halo: what did it say?
[08:38] <Halo> works: /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    noatime,defaults,users,ro,umask=0 0 0
[08:38] <douglas> is there hoary images to download ?
[08:38] <douglas> with the current devel stage
[08:38] <Halo> poots: /dev/hda2 	/mnt/shared 	ntfs 	ro,dmask=0222,fmask=0333 0 0
[08:38] <Halo> command used and output:
[08:38] <Halo> $ sudo mount /mnt/shared
[08:38] <Halo> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[08:38] <Halo>        or too many mounted file systems
[08:38] <Halo>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[08:38] <Halo>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[08:38] <Halo> oops... thought that would stay on one line... sorry :O
[08:39] <snowblink> Halo: sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[08:40] <snowblink> Halo: hda2 is definitely an ntfs partition?
[08:40] <Halo> /dev/hda2           30489       92443    31225068+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[08:40] <Halo> yes
[08:40] <Halo> it's definately ntfs
[08:40] <dud> umask not dmask?
[08:40] <Halo> I'll give it a shot
[08:41] <snowblink> Halo: that's an extended partition
[08:41] <dud> dont trust me though... i dont have any ntfs thankfully
[08:41] <engie> Hi. I'm trying to upgrade to hoary on a brand spanking new installation of warty, however apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade fails with a python dependency. python <2.4 is required by a load of stuff but 2.4-0ubuntu4 is installed. How can I fix this?
[08:41] <Halo> I know...
[08:41] <Halo> that's what I was asking
[08:41] <Halo> anyway, umask gave the same error
[08:41] <snowblink> Halo: so you can't mount it
[08:41] <njs12345> hmm
[08:42] <thenuke> engie: I think that you should not upgrade to hoary if you can't handle problems ;)
[08:42] <njs12345> I have a tablet PC
[08:42] <njs12345> and I need an onscreen keyboard for it
[08:42] <jab1> hi
[08:42] <njs12345> I've tried GOK, and come to the conclusion that it sucks
[08:42] <jab1> when i play any sounds or hear them its crackly and sounds like theres 2 of it running any ideas what it could be?
[08:42] <Halo> you can't mount extended partitions?
[08:42] <Halo> at all?
[08:42] <jab1> wasnt like tyhis on previous install
[08:43] <snowblink> Halo: Read your own error message
[08:43] <snowblink> Halo: but no
[08:43] <Pluk> Halo, you need to mount logical partitions
[08:43] <Pluk> they reside in extended partitions
[08:43] <snowblink> Halo: you will want to mount something =< /dev/hda5
[08:43] <jab1> ?
[08:43] <Halo> erm...
[08:44] <Halo> I'll google and get back to you all
[08:44] <jab1> anyone help me plz
[08:44] <Halo> thanks :)
[08:44] <jab1> i get crackily sounds when i hear sound now
[08:44] <jab1> dunno why
[08:44] <jab1> speakers and sound card works great in windows  still
[08:44] <jab1> but ubuntu its crackily
[08:46] <jab1> ???????????
[08:46] <Halo> do you have the right drivers installed?
[08:46] <jab1> ya
[08:46] <kent> neofeed, the disk is partitioned. It has a vfat-partition. I just dont know what to do to make it show up in computer://  Right now i have it maunted on my brothers computer in /home/Mybrother/Disk. With permissions to read/write. But that wont work if he adds another user :(
[08:47] <jab1> what kind of support is this
[08:47] <_d4vid> hi all
[08:48] <Pluk> lol
[08:48] <Pluk> support
[08:48] <Pluk> if we got paid maybe
[08:49] <Halo> it's mounted :)
[08:49] <Halo> Thanks guys
[08:49] <Halo> sorry for the RTFM question :O
[08:49] <Pluk> :P
[08:52] <engie> thenuke: I'm happy working with sid, I just wondered if this was a known problem
[08:52] <thenuke> oookey, I dont happen to know that :(
[08:53] <thenuke> I upgraded to hoary once too but had no problems
[08:54] <dud> soo, does anyone have good suggestions what i should do with the ~30 ubuntu cds that arrived today?
[08:54] <jasonf> is ubuntu only like hoary / worty -- or is there a SID-like component?
[08:54] <dud> i just ordered to see if canonical actually sends them out 100% free hehe
[08:54] <dud> give them to the poor and homeless?
[08:54] <jab1> how do i renistall audo
[08:54] <soulsyphon> i hope mine come soon =/
[08:54] <jasonf> dud: give them to your library
[08:54] <jab1> ac97
[08:54] <jasonf> or to your lug
[08:54] <dud> soulsyphon, took close to 3 months heh
[08:55] <jab1> audio*
[08:55] <lo1> ?
[08:55] <dud> i really dont hope canonical goes bankrupt for sending out these cds all over the world
[08:56] <dud> would hate to see ubuntu die hehe
[08:56] <snowblink> dud: thanks for helping...
[08:57] <dud> i wasnt aware that i did...
[08:57] <engie> I have a few warty cd kits remaining from teh batch sent through to me (in the uk)
[08:57] <terry> dud, I have 10.  I did the same the first time I saw it on www.debianplanet.org
[08:57] <engie> They work well
[08:57] <terry> When I got them I was like what the heck is this
[08:57] <snowblink> Dud: ordering 30 CDs you don't know what to do with. ;)
[08:57] <dud> ill give them to my library or such... just so they wont go to total waste
[08:57] <terry> I give them to people at school though
[08:57] <terry> so it wasnt a waste
[08:59] <soulsyphon> there is also gnome-panel-screenshot
[08:59] <soulsyphon> to take screenshots
[09:01] <mega> can anyone help me here
[09:01] <mega> ??
[09:01] <jbailey> mega: It's usually a good idea to say what problem you have so that we can know whether we can help you. =)
[09:02] <mega> my audio in totem is really crackily
[09:02] <mega> but when i im people and hear stuff on desktop its fine
[09:02] <jbailey> mega: Has it ever worked in any other distro?
[09:02] <mega> ?
[09:02] <mega> whats a distro
[09:02] <jbailey> mega: I'm curious if it's a sound driver problem, or if it's an Ubuntu setup.
[09:02] <jbailey> Oh I see. Distribution.
[09:02] <jbailey> Like in Debian, or Redhat, etc..
[09:03] <mega> it works fine on desktop
[09:03] <mega> worked fine in totem last ubuntu install
[09:03] <mega> dunno
[09:03] <jbailey> Sounds like it might be the move from OSS to Alsa then.  I don't know enough to help you with that, sorry.
[09:03] <mega> how do i get ac97 ddrivers again
[09:03] <mega> uninstall and install?
[09:04] <mega> i googled and looked in ubuntu guide nothing
[09:04] <mega> :|
[09:05] <mega> any ideas bailey?/
[09:07] <sladen> mega: the driver is snd_ac97_codec
[09:07] <mega> k
[09:07] <sladen> mega: but you need to get your specific hardware working, eg.  i810
[09:08] <mega> ?
[09:08] <mega> whats that
[09:08] <mega> it works just all cracked up
[09:08] <dragonkh> snowblink, heya
[09:08] <mega> not like this on windows
[09:08] <mega> i got win and ubuntu
[09:08] <snowblink> dragonkh: hi. :)
[09:08] <mega> sladen
[09:08] <dragonkh> but windows is so cool !
[09:08] <dragonkh> lol
[09:08] <mega> ...
[09:09] <mega> :D
[09:09] <sladen> mega: what's your problem?
[09:09] <mega> audio works but is all cracky like fuzzy
[09:10] <mega> never used to be like this
[09:10] <mega> andi was on windows a min ago it works perfect there
[09:10] <mega> :(
[09:10] <mega> wait
[09:10] <mega> sladden
[09:11] <mega> is it alsa thats doing it?
[09:11] <mega> anyone home wtf
[09:12] <Phoenix[SPH] > probably everybody in the usa is our for lunch ;)
[09:12] <mega> 3:12 dont think so
[09:13] <Phoenix[SPH] > is anybody using hoary with cups and stumbled over this admin restriction? is this just temporary or is this state to be released?
[09:14] <mega> this support has no life in it
[09:14] <mega> lol
[09:14] <Phoenix[SPH] > mega: whats up?
[09:15] <mega> need help.
[09:15] <Phoenix[SPH] > mega: kinda thought so...
[09:15] <mega> my sound is all cracked up
[09:15] <mega> and
[09:15] <mega> being gay
[09:15] <mega> its fine when i boot windows
[09:15] <mega> :/
[09:16] <OddAbe19> is there a mp3 plugin for k3b and hoary? i didn't see a k3b-mp3 deb in apt-get
[09:16] <Phoenix[SPH] > you mean you only get female voices ;)
[09:16] <mega> ?
[09:17] <Phoenix[SPH] > mega: english is not my native tongue, so I tried to firgure "beeing gay" means for sound...
[09:17] <mega> brb
[09:18] <sladen> mega: do you just have the volumes turned up too high?
[09:19] <OddAbe19> is there a mp3 plugin for k3b and hoary? i didn't see a k3b-mp3 deb in apt-get
[09:20] <dkg> hi
[09:20] <dkg> which burning programm is running in ubuntu?
[09:20] <dkg> k3b crashes.
[09:20] <thenuke> k3b should work :I
[09:21] <dkg> gcombust is not working because its unable to find cddevice
[09:21] <Phoenix[SPH] > OddAbe19: nope...
[09:21] <thenuke> I installed it for my sister
[09:21] <dkg> it wants kcmshell
[09:21] <Phoenix[SPH] > dkb: cdrecord?
[09:21] <dkg> but its not included.
[09:21] <dkg> Phoenix[SPH] : we need a GUI
[09:22] <Phoenix[SPH] > dkg: xcdroast is point and click
[09:22] <Phoenix[SPH] > dkg: but dunno of it's state in hoary
[09:22] <dkg> but it is not able to calculate the size of images.
[09:23] <dkg> and therefor its not able to burn
[09:23] <Phoenix[SPH] > dkb: xcdroaster can't burn?! hmmm....
[09:24] <dkg> rite
[09:24] <mcphail> dkg: i think i missed the start of things. What problems have you been having with burning?
[09:24] <neom> any of you guys see xandros before?
[09:25] <Phoenix[SPH] > !seen xandros
[09:25] <neom> It'
[09:25] <hk> hi
[09:25] <neom> It's a distro.....
[09:26] <LinuxJones> neom, it's kde based distro yeah
[09:26] <neom> You ever seen it running?
[09:26] <hk> are there gnome 2.9.x packs for ubuntu ?
[09:26] <neom> I've heard some interesting things about it at work today.
[09:26] <LinuxJones> neom, I won't tun it myself it is supposed to be very user friendly for new Linux users tho
[09:26] <Phoenix[SPH] > hk: in hoary...
[09:27] <LinuxJones> neom, they have some sort of restricted download version available
[09:27] <hk> Phoenix[SPH] , hmm but hoary is not stable yet right ? (its difficult for me to download cds)
[09:27] <Phoenix[SPH] > hk: hoary is supposed to have gnome 2.10... so they should definitly have some decent 2.9x stuff in it ;)
[09:27] <neom> lifeless - Fuck user friendly, it runs -all- windows programs provided they have a valid install protocal.
[09:27] <neom> *linuxjones
[09:27] <Phoenix[SPH] > hk: nope, hoary is development....
[09:28] <LinuxJones> neom, that's not trye
[09:28] <LinuxJones> err s/trye/true
[09:28] <hk> Phoenix[SPH] , my ubuntu 4.10 cds arrived today ;) thought it would be worth a try :P
[09:28] <hk> I think Im gonna install it anyway
[09:29] <klaym> hk: hoary?
[09:29] <neom> Well, that's what I was shown at work today by the rep. I took installed frash install, took a windows xp office CD, installed it, and ran it. And then he took a half life cd, installed it and ran it.
[09:29] <hk> nope
[09:29] <klaym> guess hoary live cd's aren't yet ou
[09:29] <hk> Warty
[09:29] <mcphail> neom: try CrossoverOffice on any distro
[09:29] <klaym> out yet*
[09:29] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: hl at what speed?
[09:30] <neom> mcphail - That's not the point.
[09:30] <LinuxJones> neom, they probably have wine or crossover plugin configured to work with those apps
[09:30] <hk> klaym, is there a way I can already request it ? (it took some months to warthy :P)
[09:30] <mcphail> neom: isn't that what is running in xandros???
[09:30] <hk> warty*
[09:31] <neom> Well, he said they build the os to run windows applications. And he told me that if we implment it, it would run everything we currently run on windows.
[09:31] <neom> mc - Not that I am aware of.
[09:31] <neom> But I odn't know.
[09:31] <klaym> hk: I don't know
[09:32] <neom> Anyway, what I was asking was, has anyone seen this implemented on a wide scale. I've only seen it on one pc from a company rep.. I wondered if anyone else has seen it running.
[09:32] <Phoenix[SPH] > what's the point anyway to beeing able to run the latest windows viruses on linux?
[09:32] <neom> That was my next question.
[09:32] <mcphail> neom: I've never used Xandros but I believe the subscription fee covers the cost of Crossover.
[09:32] <neom> I asked the rap that and he kinda avoided the question.
[09:33] <neom> *rep
[09:33] <mcphail> neom: give me a minute and i'll find a link about the viruses...
[09:33] <Phoenix[SPH] > make a good port of your business applications - or reevaluate the market for other solutions.... be even ready to say goodby to clippy the friendly office assistant...
[09:34] <LinuxJones> neom, what kind of apps does your company typically run ?
[09:34] <LinuxJones> neom, Internet Explorer, Office etc ??
[09:35] <neom> yup
[09:35] <mcphail> neom: http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222&from=rss
[09:35] <neom> We have a few specalized applications that we run. But those actually I have connected to our linux server.
[09:35] <jasonf> If I give someone a /bin/nologin shell, can they still scp?
[09:35] <Phoenix[SPH] > mcphail: I read about it :) one virus was able to suck some cpu cycles, but nothing more...
[09:36] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: do you own the source?
[09:36] <bluefoxicy>   CC [M]   net/unix/garbage.o
[09:37] <LinuxJones> Phoenix[SPH] , maybe all windows users should run Windows via Linux using emulation :D
[09:37] <Phoenix[SPH] > jasonf: maybe - scp is imho handled by a sshd submodule... but try it....
[09:37] <Phoenix[SPH] > LinuxJones: better this way, than the other way around....
[09:37] <LinuxJones> heh
[09:38] <mz2> now if only the majority of actual win apps would work on wine any better than the viruses :)
[09:38] <Phoenix[SPH] > one click in vmware and all your viruses are gone....
[09:38] <neom> No, we don't own the source.
[09:39] <Phoenix[SPH] > nz2: seriously, what are you missing? clippy? msn messanger? os activation?
[09:39] <deltaoo> hi...
[09:39] <mcphail> mz2: Crossover is very good... (and switches off clippy by default)
[09:39] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: well, why don't you own the source when they are "custom company applications"?
[09:39] <deltaoo> Help.. i gots ubuntu and want to install anjuta - but can't seem to get the config to run...
[09:40] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: vmware, wine, other software or a good programmer are you alternatives I guess...
[09:40] <mz2> Phoenix[SPH] , am not really missing anything, I've been running Linux happily for a few years now :) but whenever I randomly try out simple stuff with Wine, nothing ever really works perfectly (well fair enough, by reverse-engineering that's bound to be the case)
[09:40] <neom> It's a general application that is customized for our company.
[09:41] <mz2> mcphail, lol, does it really switch off clippy? :D
[09:41] <mcphail> Yup
[09:41] <mz2> lol
[09:42] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: well, maybe the software manufactuer is willing to port it to unix/linux....
[09:42] <neom> I was thinking I might install ubuntu on all our terminas instead and make them use open office.
[09:43] <deltaoo> can someone please help
[09:43] <mcphail> I prefer OO.o to Office. The Ubuntu version is particularly nice
[09:43] <neom> Phoenix[SPH]  -It iwas ported to linux, we have to run it via a putty like system. That is why I was asking about this xandors, because all our custom apps would run, and the n00bs could run their lame windows applications.
[09:44] <LinuxJones> Phoenix[SPH] , I'm interested in seeing the database program that's going to be in OOo 2.
[09:45] <Tux-Rox> Anyone have experience in hooking up gdeskcal with Evolution?
[09:45] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: just to get it straight: you have all your business applications ready for linux, you have and office application, a browser, a mailprogramm.... but still need windows, so that the users see a "based on NT Technology" - so they get the fuzzy warm feeling of beeing at home, and having their msn messanger?
[09:45] <neom> got it!!
[09:45] <Phoenix[SPH] > LinuxJones: the database philosophy of OO is quite nice - but sucks if you have a lot of data sources... IMHO...
[09:47] <neom> Me too.
[09:47] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: well I understand me.... it's like for me having windows, knowing not to be able to run mutt.... what would I do without mutt...
[09:47] <Phoenix[SPH] > s/me/them/
[09:48] <deltaoo> can anyone assist with installing Anjuta on Ubuntu? please?
[09:48] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: so you even run an X-Server on Windows or are the apps text based?
[09:48] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, are you running warty or hoary ?
[09:48] <mcphail> deltaoo: never tried. sorry
[09:48] <neom> text based.
[09:48] <neom> They do have cute ascii gfx though. :D
[09:49] <darkkyo> anyone can i help me for resolve a problem with my fresh setup of ubuntu?
[09:49] <Phoenix[SPH] > :)
[09:49] <Halo> what's the problem?
[09:49] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, shoot !!
[09:49] <neom> I'm thinking maybe I'll install ubuntu and see if they notice.
[09:49] <darkkyo> i have no optimisation for my HDs or my CD/DVD
[09:50] <Halo> what drives do you have?
[09:50] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, what does hdparm /dev/hda output ?
[09:50] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: well, install linux over night, and write a big letter on the front door, that the first ten employee who will pass a company-internal-linux test will get a 10% salary raise... IMHO money solve almost every problem....
[09:50] <darkkyo> hdparm no i have no install this for the moment can resolve this ?
[09:50] <neom> LOL
[09:50] <neom> Not a bad idea.
[09:51] <deltaoo> I unzipped the Anjuta. tried to do ./configure and I complained that I configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[09:51] <mcphail> deltaoo: have you installed gcc?
[09:51] <Phoenix[SPH] > thoses who fall 3 times can search another job >;P
[09:51] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, you can install anjuta using apt-get
[09:51] <Phoenix[SPH] > fail
[09:51] <darkkyo> but for the chipset of my mainboard can i install the driver chipset for this on ubuntu?
[09:51] <darkkyo> i have a via chipset
[09:52] <neom> Well, we work in technology, so I don't think it would be too much of a problem.
[09:52] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, have you tried one of the live cd 's ?
[09:53] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: you live in Canada? Where exacly?
[09:53] <darkkyo> no the live cd is bug for me before i set the network but i install the ubuntu warty 4.10 install cd 1
[09:53] <neom> Fort Frances, it's in the very North West of Ontario.
[09:53] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, so you have installed or you are going to install Qarty ?
[09:54] <LinuxJones> err Warty
[09:55] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, do you have IDE hard drives ?
[09:55] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: I played with the thought of doing some bigger stay in canada, and possibly do some work there to get some money... but somehow got the impression that there are not that much of IT jobs available... but didn't any decent research...
[09:55] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, :)
[09:55] <Phoenix[SPH] > with Linux...
[09:55] <darkkyo> :) yes LinuxJones
[09:56] <LinuxJones> Phoenix[SPH] , there are NO IT jobs in Canada
[09:56] <deltaoo> I unzipped the Anjuta. tried to do ./configure and I complained that I configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[09:56] <neom> Well, in the place I live there are -lots-.
[09:56] <deltaoo> help...help...
[09:56] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, you will only need hdparm
[09:56] <Phoenix[SPH] > LinuxJones: ;)
[09:56] <darkkyo> okay i apt-get install this :)
[09:56] <mcphail> deltaoo: do you have a compiler installed?
[09:56] <neom> The local school board just hired a new tech at $40,000/yr.
[09:56] <snowblink> deltaoo: sudo apt-get install anjuta
[09:56] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, why do you need to compile anjuta ?
[09:57] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, it should be installed by default
[09:57] <Phoenix[SPH] > Well, I have no clue what's 40 ca $ are worth...
[09:57] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, sudo -s
[09:57] <deltaoo> mcphail : I don;t know.. I'm new to linux .. about 2 hours
[09:57] <darkkyo> but the drivers chipset via build by via is not recommend?
[09:57] <darkkyo> yes sudo -s before ;)
[09:57] <LinuxJones> Phoenix[SPH] , 1 Canadian dollar is like .85 cents US
[09:57] <mcphail> deltaoo: follow the apt-get advice
[09:58] <deltaoo> LinuxJones : I need an IDE. .to try some development.. and dont' know how
[09:58] <darkkyo> but i configure this for optimizing my different Hs
[09:58] <Phoenix[SPH] > okay, 1.22 SwissFranks are 1 US$
[09:58] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, ok apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:58] <deltaoo> mcphail : whats the apt-get?
[09:58] <Phoenix[SPH] > but I have no clue what kind of living you get with 40 ca$
[09:58] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, that's ok you jsut need to lean how to get synaptic up and running. It's the graphical front end used to install software
[09:58] <darkkyo> mcphail it's the management packages system of the debian distribution :)
[09:59] <mcphail> darkkyo: i know ;)
[10:00] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, you first have to open a gnome-terminal, hit Alt + F2
[10:00] <deltaoo> LinuxJones, can you please..please explain how to set it
[10:00] <jasonf> is there a way to allow anonymous SCP?
[10:00] <deltaoo> oh..ok
[10:00] <mcphail> deltaoo: you can use apt-get (and the synaptic graphical front-end) to install tons of programs
[10:00] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, type gnome-terminal, when you have a terminal session opened type sudo -s (enter your user password)
[10:01] <deltaoo> wait.. alt+z did not work
[10:01] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, no it's Alt + F2
[10:01] <Phoenix[SPH] > LinuxJones: where are you living?
[10:01] <LinuxJones> it's like the run dialog from Windows
[10:02] <olimar> Hi all i am thinking of making an Arabic spinn off of Ubuntu
[10:02] <olimar> can someone point me to some docs on this matter?
[10:02] <LinuxJones> Phoenix[SPH] , Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia
[10:02] <olimar> translating ubuntu or something like that?
[10:02] <deltaoo> ok.. I went to .. Applications/System Tools/Terminal ?? is this the same thing?
[10:02] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, yes that's ok
[10:03] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, type sudo -s (enter your user password)
[10:03] <deltaoo> ok.. now what?
[10:03] <Deft> has anyone here had any luck with getting eclipse to run?
[10:04] <mmoyer> olimar: you might check out https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RosettaReleaseAnnouncement
[10:04] <deltaoo> Its given me. root@computername:~ #
[10:04] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, perfect
[10:04] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, type synaptic
[10:04] <divid> Deft: yes
[10:04] <Adrenal> damn, year 11 is the hard
[10:05] <deltaoo> ok.. its opened the synapic GUI..
[10:05] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, great
[10:05] <Deft> divid, did you run in any error boxes on startup?
[10:05] <deltaoo> and now?
[10:05] <snowblink> LinuxJones: gksudo synaptic - why make him open a root shell?
[10:05] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, go Settings >> Repositories
[10:05] <deltaoo> ok..
[10:06] <LinuxJones> snowblink, I am showing him how to get to an admin console
[10:06] <snowblink> LinuxJones: you showed him how to open a root shell. Synaptic is accessible via the menus or gksudo.
[10:06] <deltaoo> btw. I can get to this from the computer menu? why did I have to terminal window it?
[10:06] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, see the line starting with cdrom ?? Uncheck the box on that line
[10:06] <neom> Phoenix[SPH]  The head of ICT for the board makes $58,000. And he has a huge house and 2 crs etc.
[10:06] <LinuxJones> snowblink, yeah and ?
[10:07] <divid> Deft: Only if I have not exported $PATH so that 'java' is in my current path
[10:07] <deltaoo> LinuxJones : Ok unchecked?
[10:07] <snowblink> LinuxJones: Why make him do that when there are safer easier options?
[10:07] <larsrohdin> hi, i've just started using fluxbox. I would like some help on how to change my wallpaper. I've read that it has something to do with fbsetbg... but i don't understand what that is... any ideas?
[10:08] <Phoenix[SPH] > okay... math tells me that 1CHF is about 1 Ca$ - I have about the salary your ICT head has, but are way appart from a house or 2 cars....
[10:08] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, click the line directly below and add universe to the section line @ botton so the line reads >> main restricted universe
[10:08] <olimar> thanx mmoyer
[10:09] <Deft> divid, mine looks more like a classpath error than path... thanks anyway
[10:09] <jaza> hi
[10:09] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: I read somewhere that it's custom to get a "check" for you salary - so it's not transfered electronicaly from the account of the company to your private - is that true?
[10:09] <jaza> how do i edit my xconfig
[10:09] <jaza> ??
[10:09] <jaza> cmd plz :)
[10:10] <Phoenix[SPH] > jaza: vi, joe or nano
[10:10] <jaza> ?
[10:10] <jaza> what?
[10:10] <Deft> jaza, do you want the automatic setup to run again?
[10:10] <jaza> gedit /../../x86free-4 or something??
[10:10] <jaza> no edit the cfg
[10:10] <neom> Phoenix[SPH]  - I get mine done via direct debit (electronic) byt a few people I know still get checks.
[10:10] <jaza> how?
[10:11] <Deft> then sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86... is the file
[10:11] <neom> A guy I work with, he still gets his via check.
[10:11] <jaza> thnx
[10:11] <iocaste> I'm trying to run the Ubuntu Live CD (PPC). Seemed to be booting up OK, now I've got a blank screen.
[10:11] <Deft> (can't remember the whole name, type that much and tab it)
[10:11] <deltaoo> LinuxJones, the line deb ( immediatly below the cdrom drive now is sections main restricted universe
[10:11] <iocaste> using a G3 iMac DVSE
[10:11] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, click OK then click Reload in upper left hand corner
[10:11] <Adrenal> could anyone shed some light on as to why my soundcard seems to be reacting, with static, to the moves made on my screen. IE- A white window comes up, static accompanies it
[10:11] <bitfoo> direct deposit is the way to go :|
[10:11] <jaza> danke
[10:12] <deltaoo> its downloading
[10:12] <neom> If I get a bonus, it always comes via check, not direct debit.
[10:12] <Deft> Adrenal, just with ubuntu? sounds more like your monitor isn't well shielded
[10:12] <bitfoo> i still get deposit receipts in the mail from direct deposit
[10:12] <bitfoo> from work :|
[10:13] <deltaoo> LinuxJones, where are you? and can you advise on development ( while the download goes on) ?
[10:13] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, you mean wher edo I live ?
[10:13] <neom> I get pay stubs.
[10:13] <divid> Deft: NP. It works for me without doing anything more than 'export PATH=$PATH:/opt/jdk1.5.0/bin/' and the occasional '/opt/eclipse/eclipse' ... :-)
[10:13] <Adrenal> Deft: probably it, anything i can do to...make it more shieldy?
[10:13] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: what does a "huge house" cost in ca
[10:13] <Phoenix[SPH] > the one like the head of ICT of yours has...
[10:14] <Deft> Adrenal, just try moving the speakers away, see if it clears up
[10:14] <LinuxJones> Phoenix[SPH] , depends on what location
[10:14] <deltaoo> LinuxJones, Yes?
[10:14] <Adrenal> Deft: using headphones
[10:14] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, I'm in Nova Scotia, Canada
[10:14] <Deft> Adrenal, try and keep the cable away from the monitor then
[10:14] <Adrenal> Deft: bah, getting lcd soon anyway. Then i'll shield the hell right out of this. Hard. With a bat
[10:15] <Phoenix[SPH] > LinuxJones: here in switzerland you the major problem is to own some ground you are allowed to build living space - well it's not a problem, it's a mere question of money....
[10:15] <Adrenal> Deft: hey, it worked, thanks
[10:15] <deltaoo> LinuxJones,  cool. Ok. the downloads done?
[10:15] <neom> Phoenix[SPH]  To buy out right, about $150,00 to $200,00. Most people mortage.
[10:15] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, click search then type anhuta
[10:15] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, err anjuta
[10:15] <deltaoo> I did a search and its found Anjuta
[10:15] <deltaoo> thanx found it ... now what?
[10:15] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, awesome double click it
[10:16] <Adrenal> well, i'll see you all later. Have a good one
[10:16] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, then click Apply, Anjuta will be downloaded and installed for you
[10:17] <neom> (shoul be an extra zero on each of those prices)
[10:17] <jeramy> neom: I think you're missing a zero.  ;)
[10:17] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: for that money you might get a flat (is this the right word?) here in switzerland...
[10:17] <LinuxJones> Phoenix[SPH] , same here, unless your family has land to give to you it's going to be expensive :D
[10:17] <deltaoo> done.. it came up with a Mark for installation. I said .. Mark and ok>> now what?
[10:17] <neom> whaaat?
[10:17] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, yes c
[10:17] <iocaste> does anyone know when the winning design will be announced for the Ubuntu website design comp?
[10:17] <deltaoo> LinuxJones, : huh?? yes c??
[10:18] <jeramy> Phoenix[SPH] , It depends where you are, of course.  I'm in Ottawa, and I bought a house in the summer for $210000
[10:18] <neom> I pay $600/mth for my flat (apartment)
[10:18] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, yes that will resolve any dependencies and install any additional software that anjuta requires like gcc for example
[10:18] <neom> jeramy - 210,000?
[10:18] <LinuxJones> jeramy, Ottawa is very expensive :)
[10:18] <jeramy> yep
[10:19] <darkkyo> LinuxJones,  i view my hd is set to DMA but i have a problem my system is slow T_T
[10:19] <deltaoo> oh.. the apply button.. on the menu.. :) found it clicked it.. its downloaing..:)
[10:19] <neom> how many sqr ft?
[10:19] <jeramy> 1200, not including the basement
[10:19] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: how many rooms?
[10:19] <jeramy> My cousin is an hour west (Renfrew) and theirs was $90000
[10:19] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, that's all there is to it :)
[10:20] <darkkyo> i have installed nvidia driver built for the ubuntu and i set up this right i see the FAQ
[10:20] <deltaoo> will this do the gtk kit too?
[10:20] <Phoenix[SPH] > neom: how many rooms / square meters?
[10:20] <jeramy> Um... lots?
[10:20] <deltaoo> btw. do u know the Anjuta IDE?
[10:20] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, yes
[10:20] <Yapser> PHA.
[10:20] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, no I don't sorry :(
[10:20] <Phoenix[SPH] > feet?! I though canadians have the metric system?
[10:21] <neom> About the name In my town, you could prolly get a house almost twice the size as jeramys for the same price.
[10:21] <jeramy> 3 bedrooms, 2.5 bathrooms, living room, eating area, family room, kitchen, laundry room
[10:21] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, you can run top to see if some application or service is hogging all of your resources
[10:21] <jeramy> Yeah, well Fort Frances is in the middle of nowhere.  ;)
[10:21] <deltaoo> LinuxJones, its now opened a terminal window and appling changes? is this good?
[10:21] <jeramy> We're about 50/50 on the metric system
[10:21] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, it has finished downloading and is now installing. This is a good thing :)
[10:22] <deltaoo> ok.. umm now where is it??
[10:22] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, has it finished installing ?
[10:22] <neom> jeramy I'm quite happy to buy a 2300sqr/ft house for the same price as you paid for yours and live in a small town. :D
[10:23] <darkkyo> i view in system monitor i have not service or application hoggig all ressources
[10:23] <deltaoo> LinuxJones,  Yes
[10:23] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, ok check the applications menu to see if there is a programming entry
[10:23] <darkkyo> i think i have a CPU K7 but i have no compiled or installed a new kernel with the optimization for my architecture
[10:24] <darkkyo> i have to test before this installation, the kernel for k7 but it still not work for me on reboot T_T
[10:24] <Phoenix[SPH] > hmmm... 9 sqft are about 1sqm... hmmm 1200 sqft are about 130 square meters....right?
[10:24] <deltaoo> LinuxJones, NO!
[10:24] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, it will show up. Hit Alt + F2 and type anjuta
[10:25] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, it will auto complete as you type then hit enter
[10:25] <jeramy> Phoenix[SPH] , roughly 111m2 for the top two floors
[10:25] <deltaoo> LinuxJones, It was not in the list.. bbut did work... WOOOHhoooo!
[10:26] <deltaoo> now do I do the same for Glade?
[10:26] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, sometimes it takes a few minutes to appear, It will show up on it's own
[10:26] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, yes
[10:26] <jeramy> Add another 35m2 for the basement, plus single-car garage
[10:27] <Deft> is there anyone from canonical here and not busy?
[10:27] <deltaoo> Thanx..Is there anyway I can store this channel / server somewhere so I can find it again?
[10:27] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, if i compiled or apt-get install a kernel for my K7 architecture can i resolve this?
[10:27] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: are you living alone there - I mean, is it a "one family house"?
[10:28] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, go to www.ubuntuguide.org lots of great stuff there :)
[10:28] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, did you upgrade all of your software using apt-get or synaptic ?
[10:28] <jeramy> Phoenix[SPH] , Yes, it's a single-family house, not attached to anything else.
[10:29] <deltaoo> ok.. I gots to go for a few minutes.. be back soon.. btw whats the anti virus for Linux??
[10:29] <darkkyo> yes all software update apt-get & synaptic
[10:29] <LinuxJones> deltaoo, you do not need virus software for Linux :)
[10:29] <|QuaD-_> just picked up linux format, ubuntu got rated #9 :(
[10:29] <|QuaD-_> debian #4
[10:30] <|QuaD-_> mandrake #1 ... LOL
[10:30] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, I do not know what could be the problem. You could try a new kernel version, anything is possible :D
[10:30] <jeramy> deltaoo, you only need AV if you're running a mail server that processes Windows e-mail (to filter the e-mail for them, not for the Linux box)
[10:30] <darkkyo> ok thank a lot LinuxJones
[10:30] <HrdwrBoB> |QuaD-_: by what metrics?
[10:30] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, :)
[10:30] <|QuaD-_> HrdwrBoB: they ranked distros
[10:31] <HrdwrBoB> based on..
[10:31] <mcphail> |QuaD-_: i've always found Mandrake #1 for bugs
[10:31] <neom> well, I should prolly do some work.
[10:31] <LinuxJones> |QuaD-_, that's like Linux Journal Magazine always pimping SuSe and it's slow bloatware.
[10:31] <|QuaD-_> mcphail: haha... yeah... instability
[10:31] <|QuaD-_> LinuxJones: true
[10:31] <neom> bye guys.
[10:32] <Anubis> Having a hard time getting Real player working properly
[10:32] <jeramy> ciao
[10:32] <|QuaD-_> it liked suse also, gave it #2
[10:32] <Anubis> I can only start it via its script
[10:32] <Anubis> not by typing "realplay"
[10:32] <HrdwrBoB> ranking ubuntu that far below debian shows that the reviewer is smoking some serious crack
[10:32] <|QuaD-_> my html isn't working :( this darmn form !!!
[10:32] <mcphail> SuSE is worth it for the manuals
[10:32] <|QuaD-_> HrdwrBoB: haha... unless they like kde
[10:33] <HrdwrBoB> |QuaD-_: perhaps, though KDE is available for ubuntu and the kubuntu project is getting underway
[10:33] <LinuxJones> mcphail, they have always had great documentation. I bought a copy of SuSe 7.2 and it had like 3 manuals :D
[10:34] <mcphail> I think I'd have stuggled with Linux as a n00b if it wasn't for SuSE...
[10:34] <jeramy> I've always had trouble with urpmi on Mandrake, and I've never been able to get X up and running on Debian.  :(
[10:34] <|QuaD-_> HrdwrBoB: once kubuntu is more mature.... i think ubuntu will start doing better
[10:34] <darkkyo> i know where i have a problem now is this the drivers of my nvidia card it is recognize a PCI O_O i have an agp card
[10:34] <mcphail> Getting rid of KDE was the best thing I've done in ages
[10:34] <Deft> what is planned for kubuntu? a seperate install cd with kde, but otherwise all the same thing?
[10:34] <HrdwrBoB> |QuaD-_: I'm not really sure about that but eh... possibly in the LF reviews it will :)
[10:34] <|QuaD-_> mcphail: its the worst thing i have done
[10:34] <mcphail> why?
[10:34] <|QuaD-_> i miss kpim/kdeveloper
[10:35] <HrdwrBoB> Deft: still not 100%
[10:35] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: the cheapest single-family house I was able to find in switzerland - that is at least 100m2 is about 400'000.-
[10:35] <jeramy> I still use K3B, even though it looks out of placy
[10:35] <HrdwrBoB> Deft: though kde will not be on the main CD
[10:35] <jeramy> place
[10:35] <LinuxJones> I used to run KDE until I tried Ubuntu and I would never switch back now :D
[10:35] <mcphail> I never got much mileage from KDevelop
[10:35] <|QuaD-_> kde is soo much cleaner... it is more of an environment imho
[10:35] <|QuaD-_> mcphail: what you use?
[10:36] <mcphail> just vim
[10:36] <HrdwrBoB> |QuaD-_: cleaner!?
[10:36] <HrdwrBoB> oy vey
[10:36] <Phoenix[SPH] > LinuxJones: You never used Gnome before Ubuntu?
[10:36] <jeramy> Phoenix[SPH] , There's a family south of Ottawa who moved from Switzerland about 10 years ago.  They sold their 2 acre farm, and bought a HUGE house and several hundred acres of land here.
[10:36] <Anubis> enter the prefix for symbolic links [/usr] : .........
[10:36] <Anubis> does Ubuntu use /usr/local?
[10:37] <jeramy> no
[10:37] <|QuaD-_> no question gnome is faster... but i like kde looks wise
[10:37] <mcphail> KDE hurts my eyes
[10:37] <LinuxJones> Phoenix[SPH] , I tried it here and there but never for  any extended period of time. I would not run anything else now :D
[10:37] <|QuaD-_> i mean... I am not impressed wiht evolution
[10:37] <|QuaD-_> and there are no other email clients
[10:37] <|QuaD-_> other than thunderbird
[10:37] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: well, HUGE is relative ;)
[10:37] <jeramy> True.  Enough for their 11 kids.  :)
[10:37] <|QuaD-_> i wish that someone would package sunbird to make it so i can have a pim
[10:37] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: acres.... 10x10 meters = 1 acre?
[10:38] <jeramy> I don't know.  :)
[10:38] <mcphail> |QuaD-_: it's all apples and oranges really. Each to their own taste. Can't you install KDE from Ubuntu?
[10:38] <Phoenix[SPH] > |QuaD-_: mutt... it's very clean.... take not much memory... ssh friendly....
[10:38] <darksatanic> Phoenix[SPH] : No, I think that's an are. An acre is an imperial unit.
[10:39] <|QuaD-_> mcphail: yeah
[10:39] <|QuaD-_> Phoenix[SPH] : some things i prefer gui for
[10:39] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: well' depends if there are 4 kids in one room ;) but I think I got it....
[10:39] <|QuaD-_> webbrowser, pim and im i need gui for
[10:39] <jeramy> One hectare is 2.471 acres
[10:39] <Phoenix[SPH] > if canadian mean HUGE like americans... than it's SUPER HUGE for swiss....
[10:39] <jeramy> oh, I got that backward
[10:40] <mcphail> I always used Evolution with KDE
[10:40] <jeramy> No, I didn't.  ;)
[10:40] <mmoyer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acre
[10:40] <blk> Phoenix[SPH] : hey, i'm swiss - it's not that small ;)
[10:40] <Phoenix[SPH] > |QuaD-_: :)
[10:40] <|QuaD-_> i never liked evolution
[10:41] <pik_txu> y qq ?
[10:41] <snowblink> Phoenix[SPH] : How long did it take before you were happy with your muttrc?
[10:41] <website> does anybody know how to set up an epson c84 ? ('ve already looked ath the forum and i've already the gimprint-driver package installed)
[10:42] <Phoenix[SPH] > blk: sorry - I lost the thread... what's not that small?
[10:42] <blk> Phoenix[SPH] : switzerland
[10:43] <Phoenix[SPH] > snowblink: about 2 weeks... but it took evolution to be 1.4 to be usable for me... so evo took longer :)
[10:44] <Phoenix[SPH] > snowblink: and mutt is in certain things still better... but lacks certain features I really miss from evo.....
[10:44] <snowblink> Phoenix[SPH] : I'm switching between mutt, Thunderbird, Evolution, and kmail at the moment. Mutt is currently favourite.
[10:44] <Phoenix[SPH] > blk: I bet switzerland is about the size those lakes have south of ontario....
[10:45] <jeramy> which lake?
[10:45] <mcphail> What are the benefits of mutt?
[10:45] <website> thanks problem solved
[10:46] <Phoenix[SPH] > snowblink: I use mutt with multiple imap accounts - and this is a little bit sucky...  it took me some time to find our how to make it work - but most of at it does not cache headers... so it takes ages to open a mailbox... that's where I see my collegues at work smile.... but nobody writes an email faster than me  once the headers are downloaded :)
[10:47] <wmealing> anyone know if the ppc live CD boots ?
[10:47] <Phoenix[SPH] > http://www.etourist.ca/maps/ shows some water south of ontario
[10:47] <Phoenix[SPH] > mcphail: text based
[10:48] <snowblink> Phoenix[SPH] : Someone mentioned something about offlineimap - that might help your speed
[10:48] <jeramy> Ah.  Switzerland is twice the size of Lake Ontario, the smallest of the 5 Great Lakes.
[10:48] <mcphail> Phoenix[SPH] : I presume if someone sends you html mail it will mess up?
[10:49] <Grev> any way to get x.org in Warty?
[10:49] <Deft> Grev, not without far too much trouble
[10:49] <jeramy> Grev, only with much pain and agony
[10:49] <Phoenix[SPH] > snowblink: yeah, there are patches... but the developers of mutt are/were a little bit asleep and debian does not use the patch.... and I would not have to use a distro if I would compile every other package on my own....
[10:50] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: so it defenitly fits into one of the other four....
[10:50] <Grev> ouch, thanks
[10:50] <Grev> is Gnome stablizing in Hoary?
[10:51] <snowblink> Phoenix[SPH] : offlineimap is a separate program
[10:51] <Phoenix[SPH] > mcphail: nope... it does not mess.... it's neatly displayed in my favorite html mail viewe (w3m) but - I reject html mail anyway... why bloat text by 800% for the same content?
[10:51] <jeramy> Grev, I'm running Hoary right now, and it seems very stable to me... (this is just my opinion)
[10:51] <mcphail> Phoenix[SPH] : i don't disagree for one minute!
[10:52] <snowblink> Phoenix[SPH] : Still have to play with hooks
[10:52] <jeramy> Phoenix[SPH] , no, lake Erie isn't much bigger than Ontario.  ;)
[10:52] <jeramy> And I agree with the HTML mail.  Yuck.  :P
[10:52] <Anubis> No i2c device files found. Use prog/mkdev/mkdev.sh to create them.
[10:53] <mcphail> Phoenix[SPH] : how does it do with PGP?
[10:53] <blk> Grev: it'll be 2.10 when it's out, for now they're at the rc's so don't expect big changes, but some smaller bugfixes and roundups.. go check out the roadmap on gnome.org
[10:53] <Phoenix[SPH] > snowblink: do you know more about this tool? how does it behave when you delete a message on the server? (webmail)
[10:53] <Martok> Hey, I was messing around with TerminatorX and it killed my sound. How do I get it back?
[10:53] <tritium> can't wait for the upcoming update to sound-juicer!  sound profiles!
[10:53] <Martok> (the sound)
[10:53] <snowblink> Phoenix[SPH] : I haven't tried it I'm afraid, but it is available in uni/multiverse
[10:54] <Grev> blk: Thanks, I tried Hoary before, but the network applet had some major bugs with my wireless card
[10:54] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, i search a netlimiter under ubuntu for limit the banwith of misc application
[10:54] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: so it takes too lakes of the 4 you have there to cover switzerland....:)
[10:55] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, I think the Squid Proxy Server can do that
[10:55] <jeramy> Phoenix[SPH] , the two smaller ones.  ;)
[10:55] <snowblink> Phoenix[SPH] : it claims: Synchronize your mail two to four times faster than with other tools or other mail readers' internal IMAP support.
[10:55] <Phoenix[SPH] > best are mails with at text part "if you don't see this mail go to http://foo" ....
[10:55] <darkkyo> it is installed by default on ubuntu?
[10:55] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, no
[10:55] <jaza> how do i exec a file called libdivxdecore.so
[10:55] <jaza> ?
[10:55] <Martok> Darn it... I really don't feel like reinstalling Ubuntu again.
[10:55] <jaza> or install wtvr
[10:55] <blk> Grev: i've got a wireless card but haven't used it yet..using ubuntu (hoary) since yesterday maybe i'll stumble upon it ;)
[10:56] <LinuxJones> Martok, what's wrong ?
[10:56] <jaza> help??
[10:56] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: hehe :)
[10:56] <jaza> plz
[10:56] <tritium> I'm never bringing my laptop to the business school again.  If I hear "value added" one more time...
[10:56] <Martok> LinuxJones: I was messing around with TerminatorX and it killed my sound.
[10:56] <Deft> jaza, what are you trying to do?
[10:56] <jeramy> Phoenix[SPH] , Of course, they're shared with the US.
[10:56] <LinuxJones> Martok, what is terminatorx ?
[10:56] <mcphail> jaza: you don't "exec" a library
[10:56] <Martok> I tested the sound to see if it worked with Knoppix, so atleast I know my card still works.
[10:56] <jeramy> LinuxJones, go to terminatorx.cx
[10:56] <jaza> i need to know how to install a file called libdivxdecore.so
[10:57] <Martok> TerminatorX is a file scratch program.
[10:57] <jaza> what do i do with the library?
[10:57] <Martok> It's dj software.
[10:57] <Phoenix[SPH] > snowblink: the problem is, when I delete something on the server it has to reflect on the workstation, and vis-versa... I can't imagine a bigger nightmare than an IMAP folder out of sync....
[10:57] <Deft> jaza, that's availible from some repositories, the wiki has a list
[10:57] <jaza> everytime i run the install.sh it says hat file wasnt found in usr/local/lib
[10:57] <LinuxJones> Martok, did you re-boot into Ubuntu ?
[10:58] <jaza> how do i installl divx or something that plays them
[10:58] <jeramy> jaza, you're trying to install wtvr, and it's giving you that error?
[10:58] <Phoenix[SPH] > jaza: thats a library
[10:58] <jaza> ya
[10:58] <Martok> Yeah, I even uninstalled TerminatorX and rebooted and that didn't help.
[10:58] <Phoenix[SPH] > not binary meant for execution....
[10:58] <LinuxJones> Martok, are you running hoary ?
[10:58] <Martok> No, Warty
[10:58] <snowblink> Phoenix[SPH] : Heh. I try to keep my mailboxes smaller than 1000 messages so it's not too slow.
[10:58] <jaza> then how do i install divx...
[10:58] <Phoenix[SPH] > though there are geeks that do some nasty things I suppose with some core libraries this way....
[10:58] <LinuxJones> Martok, what kind of sound card do you have ?
[10:59] <website> jaza, do you wanna play a divx?
[10:59] <Martok> An Sis 900 or something like that.
[10:59] <jaza> yers
[10:59] <jaza> i wanna play divx
[10:59] <jaza> how??????/
[10:59] <Martok> Or Sis 712 or something.
[10:59] <mcphail> jaza: www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:59] <LinuxJones> Martok, do you know if you were using alsa or oss drivers ?
[10:59] <jaza> and
[10:59] <jaza> ?
[10:59] <jaza> not on there i looked
[11:00] <jeramy> jaza, install mplayer from ftp.nerim.net
[11:00] <Martok> I think I was using OSS.
[11:00] <mcphail> follow instructions for installing codecs
[11:00] <website> jaza, use totem player
[11:00] <Phoenix[SPH] > snowblink: me too, but mailinglists are easily 5 times that size....
[11:00] <Martok> But I was still able to use alsamixer and stuff.
[11:00] <Martok> I'm using OSS.
[11:00] <website> jaza, you need gstreamer0.8-mad package
[11:00] <Deft> jaza, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:01] <LinuxJones> Martok, double check your mixer settings, if they seem ok check gstreamer-properties and test using alsa and oss for sound output
[11:01] <snowblink> Phoenix[SPH] : ~D -(this month) ;)
[11:01] <blk> is there a PPC-specific chan. for ubuntu?
[11:01] <Martok> Whoa... WTF they're all the way down!
[11:01] <Martok> All of em!
[11:01] <LinuxJones> heh
[11:01] <Martok> I wonder why that happened?!
[11:02] <Phoenix[SPH] > Martok: you might have to unmute them....
[11:02] <Martok> I was just using tX and then all of a sudden it stopped
[11:02] <LinuxJones> Martok, I guess your mixer settings got Terminated :D
[11:02] <jeramy> lol
[11:02] <jeramy> ouch
[11:02] <Martok> It's not that they're not mute, they're all the way down.
[11:02] <Martok> LinuxJones: LOL.
[11:03] <Martok> Thanks guys.
[11:03] <jeramy> website, I can't get Totem to play _anything_
[11:03] <Phoenix[SPH] > what do you folks from ca pay for insurances?
[11:04] <SymbolicLink> Anyone know of a way to batch-convert wma to mp3?
[11:04] <LinuxJones> Phoenix[SPH] , what type of insurance ?
[11:04] <Phoenix[SPH] > SymbolicLink: ffmpeg might work...
[11:05] <Phoenix[SPH] > LinuxJones: car, health, hmmm... how are alle these called in english...
[11:05] <jeramy> Phoenix[SPH] , ugh.  My car insurance is $120/month, and house is roughly $50-$60/month?
[11:06] <jeramy> I have no health insurance, other than what my company provides -- stuff like semi-private room in hospitals.
[11:06] <LinuxJones> Phoenix[SPH] , there ar eno premiums for health, but car & home insurance depends on their estimated value I suspect
[11:06] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: I paid about 2400$ per year for my camaro, full insurace (meaning, I can dump it agains the wall and get the money it was the second before) - but I was on 40% of bonus/malus
[11:06] <djcb> evo currently crashes with a floating point exception on amd64
[11:06] <jeramy> Oh, and prescriptions and eye exams and such stuff are not free.
[11:06] <djcb> any updates on that?
[11:06] <sniperd> Anyone have a working Audigy 2 on 4.10?
[11:07] <Tux-Rox> Phoenix[SPH] , I am paying US$60 a month for auto insurance and no health insurance. The US doesn't have social medicine.... :-(
[11:07] <Phoenix[SPH] > LinuxJones: A 3,8 Targa Camaro is about 25'000 US$
[11:07] <Phoenix[SPH] > And sold for about 43'000 CHF
[11:07] <sniperd> Phoenix[SPH]  No way, not now they arent...
[11:07] <LinuxJones> Phoenix[SPH] , I have a 2000 Mazda Protege 5-Speed and pay about 900.00 for full coverage
[11:08] <jeramy> My wife's 1995 rustbucket Ford Escort which she never drives costs $85/month
[11:08] <jeramy> no collision
[11:08] <snowblink> Is it just me, or is lugradio down?
[11:08] <LinuxJones> jeramy, Fords are poison
[11:09] <jeramy> LinuxJones, you bet.  :)
[11:09] <LinuxJones> heh
[11:09] <jeramy> We got it for free from my parents
[11:09] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: in switzerland you have to have a health insurance, but you have additional accident insurace when you are empoyed... but you have to pay at least 130CHF per month in switzerland for health insurance
[11:09] <sniperd> Anyone running an audigy 2?
[11:10] <jeramy> no universal health care in Switzerland?  I'm surprised.
[11:10] <Tux-Rox> Phoenix[SPH] , So I guess you don't have social health insurance as I thought.
[11:10] <Tux-Rox> Ya me too.
[11:10] <Phoenix[SPH] > sniperd: *new* ones? what price have you seen and where?
[11:10] <dud> free medical care in norway <3
[11:10] <dud> and dental upuntill 21 of age
[11:11] <sniperd> Phoenix[SPH]  2002 was the last year for the camaro, So there arent 'New ones' anymore...
[11:11] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: I assume the state covers it if you can't pay it...
[11:12] <sniperd> Phoenix[SPH]  But you can get a LS1 for 15-20k in pretty good condition with not many miles
[11:12] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: hey, we are not russia back in the 40's - you can have health care with all the bells and whistles....
[11:12] <jeramy> No, there is no having to pay for it.  (well, except through taxes)
[11:13] <jeramy> There isn't the option here to pay extra for treatment, unless you go to the US.
[11:13] <wasabi> Hello. I am trying to get a NFS volume exported and I am getting an error on the client. What log can I watch on the server to see it?
[11:13] <SymbolicLink> QM!
[11:14] <Phoenix[SPH] > sniperd: the first time the care gets on the road "1. Einloesung" counts - until then the care is counted as new and you get the full manufacturars warrenty  - so if I buy a camaro in 2008 that had not been on the street before I would have a 3 year warrenty even then
[11:14] <LinuxJones> wasabi, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NFSServerHOWTOUbuntu/view?searchterm=nfs
[11:15] <sniperd> Phoenix[SPH]  True, but good luck finding a brand new car thats been sitting on a lot for 6 years
[11:15] <jeramy> Did anyone else notice that you have to start up Samba manually in Hoary?  There used to be a GUI option in network-admin to enable it...
[11:15] <Phoenix[SPH] > sniperd: did I mention that it costs about 640.- to be allowed to drive a camaro in switzerland per year
[11:15] <Phoenix[SPH] > sniperd: where are you from?
[11:15] <goldfish> sorry, i was asking ealier about how i could change my screen resoltion, i was told to do this dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. but it has nothing about resolutions in there.
[11:15] <goldfish> ?
[11:15] <sniperd> Phoenix[SPH]  las vegas nevada, usa
[11:15] <goldfish> like, ubuntu wont go full screen
[11:16] <goldfish> it did on the live cd
[11:16] <goldfish> but not the install
[11:16] <goldfish> Any ideas?
[11:16] <siimo> is there an alternate site for mplayer?
[11:16] <Deft> goldfish, can you change resolution in gnome?
[11:16] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: so depending on the medical service you get depends on the employer?
[11:16] <jeramy> All cars in Canada are $75 for the year to register, provided you pass the emissions tests.
[11:16] <siimo> Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  USER failed, server said: Sorry, only two connections per IP address are allowed   keeps happening
[11:16] <goldfish> Deft: Well, yeah but the max resoltion there is 1450 x 1050
[11:16] <wasabi> LinuxJones, i need the log file
[11:16] <jeramy> Phoenix[SPH] , no, you just don't pay for doctors and hospitals.
[11:16] <wasabi> The client is getting an error... but I dont know WHY
[11:17] <jeramy> Show your health card, and away you go.
[11:17] <Deft> goldfish, LCD?
[11:17] <goldfish> Deft: i want it to go to 1680 x 1050
[11:17] <jaza> how do i play mpeg and divx movies?
[11:17] <sniperd> goldfish damn thats huge,
[11:17] <LinuxJones> jaza, you need the w32codec package
[11:17] <goldfish> well, it;s my screen size :)
[11:17] <jaza> got it
[11:18] <jaza> jonages
[11:18] <Phoenix[SPH] > sniperd: well, you have to count at least 7000.- US$ plus to the price you see in the the gm website for switzerland....
[11:18] <sniperd> oh i see
[11:18] <sniperd> Phoenix[SPH]  dont ever get the 3.8
[11:18] <jeramy> jaza, I use mplayer, since I can't get totem to play anything.  Did you get it?
[11:18] <sniperd> if you cant get the V8 just get somethin else, it wouldnt be as fun
[11:19] <jaza> where
[11:19] <Phoenix[SPH] > sniperd: but I got for my 98 Camaro about 12000 CHF, that's 10'000 US$ - and it has 65'000km, 55'000miles I guess
[11:19] <jaza> jaremy where is mplayer
[11:19] <bluefoxicy> hey question
[11:19] <LinuxJones> jaza, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:19] <bluefoxicy> htf do you set up a splash screened boot process with bootsplash or fbsplash
[11:19] <sniperd> Phoenix[SPH]  Oh thats not bad at all
[11:19] <jeramy> jaza, Did you add the marillat sources?
[11:19] <sniperd> Phoenix[SPH]  Are they a bit rare over there?
[11:20] <jeramy> (as seen in ubuntuguide.org)
[11:20] <jaza> ?
[11:20] <jaza> marillat?
[11:20] <LinuxJones> wasabi, I'm not running nfs but it should be in the /var directory possibly in a portmap log file
[11:20] <goldfish> Anyone got any ideas?
[11:20] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: I pay that every other year to let my care assure that it's in fit condition.... and they don't do the emission test, that you have to do on your own... but dunno what that costs (I made mine during service time)
[11:20] <jeramy> Go to ubuntuguide.org, hit "/" and then type in marillat
[11:20] <jeramy> assuming you're using Firefox
[11:21] <jaza> cant be loaded...
[11:21] <Deft> goldfish, you could try running "sudo xresprobe dummy" and see if it will see the other screen modes
[11:21] <jaza> jeramy didnt work
[11:22] <jeramy> Phoenix[SPH] , here once you pay for a safety, you never have to again, unless you change ownership.
[11:22] <jaza> anyone plz send me a link to a apt get or something to play divx and avi ...
[11:22] <goldfish> Deft: coolio, i shall try that
[11:22] <jeramy> jaza, try the testing one.
[11:22] <jaza> ja
[11:22] <jeramy> and then apt-get update
[11:22] <Phoenix[SPH] > sniperd: 1 LITER of normale 95 benzin is 1,42 CHF... in switzerland... 1.80CHF in germany - I assume you pay peanuts for your gas....
[11:22] <jeramy> or synaptic Reload
[11:22] <Phoenix[SPH] > sniperd: so I didn't dare to buy a 5,8
[11:22] <LinuxJones> jaza, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:23] <sniperd> Phoenix[SPH]  hehe, I see what your saying :), we pay 1.80 a gallon though...
[11:23] <jeramy> Phoenix[SPH] , gasoline here is about 90 cents/L for premium.
[11:23] <jaza> been there hasd nothing but 0gg no idea how to install
[11:23] <jaza> if its not a .run file i cant lol
[11:23] <jaza> or sh
[11:23] <goldfish> id:
[11:23] <goldfish> res:
[11:23] <goldfish> freq:
[11:23] <jeramy> Ok, so you're at a console?
[11:23] <sonne> what can I do if ununtu does not find the soundcard ?
[11:23] <goldfish> Deft: That's what i get from that?
[11:23] <LinuxJones> jaza, read down :D
[11:23] <goldfish> sonne: U on a laptop?
[11:23] <sonne> no
[11:23] <sonne> desktop
[11:23] <goldfish> k
[11:24] <goldfish> dell?
[11:24] <sonne> aldi medion
[11:24] <goldfish> ah right, sorry
[11:24] <Deft> goldfish, not so helpful... have you looked through your x config?
[11:24] <Phoenix[SPH] > sniperd: well, you don't see them as often as Opel Astra's and other european car's ... but now and then... especially if you own one you notice them.... but you don't have to hunt them, there are some occasions during the year to get a camaro...
[11:24] <goldfish> Deft: jeez, em... first time linux user here :/
[11:24] <jeramy> jaza, I don't know what you meant.
[11:24] <Deft> goldfish, ok, you using warty?
[11:24] <jeramy> Do you have a terminal open?
[11:24] <goldfish> Deft: I am.
[11:25] <wasabi> okay. I am unable to mount. Portmap refuses to allow a connection.
[11:25] <wasabi> But, I have fixed /etc/default/portmap
[11:25] <jeramy> jaza, or are you using Synaptic?
[11:25] <wasabi> ahhhh
[11:25] <Deft> goldfish, open a console, and run "less /etc/X11/XF86Config-4"
[11:26] <LinuxJones> wasabi, you modify the config file. Ubuntu listens only to localhost when you install any services
[11:26] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: premium is 98 octan gas?
[11:26] <jeramy> ooh.  4 degrees C.  balmy.  ;)
[11:26] <jaza> k i have sound no video...
[11:26] <wasabi> LinuxJones, I just said "I fixed /etc/default/portmap".
[11:26] <jeramy> No, 94.  They don't sell 98 here.
[11:26] <jeramy> Or 92.
[11:26] <LinuxJones> wasabi, sorry watching tv
[11:26] <goldfish> Deft: yeppa, the file is there now
[11:26] <jeramy> I mean, some places only go as high as 92.
[11:26] <LinuxJones> did you re-start portmap service ?
[11:26] <jeramy> Regular is 87.
[11:27] <Deft> goldfish, a couple of thing to look for: the Driver in the Device section; and anything in the Monitor section
[11:27] <sniperd> Phoenix[SPH]  European countries count the octane of the gas diffrent
[11:27] <sniperd> Phoenix[SPH]  so your octane isnt comparable to ours
[11:27] <jeramy> jaza, what are you using to watch?
[11:27] <sonne> so what if alsa does not find the device ? is there anything I can do
[11:27] <jaza> someone please help i tried playing a movie in totem, i get audi no video
[11:27] <zenrox> help
[11:28] <zenrox> i jsut bought a new vidcard and kband mouse and warty wont start up
[11:28] <goldfish> Deft: hrmm... In the monitor section, it has a list of modes, each one has "1680x1050" in them.
[11:28] <jeramy> sniperd, I didn't know that.  Everything else is different, so why not octane, eh?  ;)
[11:28] <zenrox> it hangs on hotplug
[11:28] <apokryphos> When trying to run 3ddesktop, it tells me "Please configure hardware acceleration". Any idea how I would do that?
[11:28] <Phoenix[SPH] > sniperd: gosh! Why oh why - at least europeans and americans have the same ELF format...
[11:29] <Deft> goldfish, can't remember if you said; is this an LCD?
[11:29] <sniperd> jeramy hehe yep
[11:29] <goldfish> emm...
[11:29] <goldfish> Deft: lol, it's a laptop
[11:29] <jeramy> apokryphos, it means you don't have DRI enabled... :(
[11:29] <jaza> can someone help me
[11:29] <LinuxJones> apokryphos, you need to install either the nvidia or ati binary drivers for your videocard
[11:29] <sniperd> Phoenix[SPH]  lol, The worlds still far from being standardized though :)
[11:29] <jeramy> apokryphos, what video card do you have?
[11:29] <kbrooks> Hi.
[11:29] <goldfish> Deft: Dunno if it's lcd, sorry :)
[11:29] <LinuxJones> kbrooks, hi
[11:30] <apokryphos> jeramy: video card? Do you mean Graphics card? Yeah, I've got an Nvidia. 64MB.
[11:30] <kbrooks> What's up/
[11:30] <zenrox> i have a nvida fx5200
[11:30] <kbrooks> s/\//\?//
[11:30] <zenrox> and warty wont boot
[11:30] <jeramy> nvidia what?
[11:30] <Deft> goldfish, does the driver match what you'd expect?
[11:30] <Phoenix[SPH] > sniperd: far? like to the moon and back on foot... yeah... I can picture it....
[11:30] <apokryphos> jeramy: nvidia Geforce2 mx-400
[11:31] <goldfish> Deft: aye, it does. "nv" I have anVidia card so I presume that is right.
[11:31] <LinuxJones> zenrox, I hav the same card
[11:31] <Panzerboy> yay!
[11:31] <zenrox> but i dont thank thats why warty wont boot
[11:31] <Panzerboy> i'm upgrading to hoary
[11:31] <Panzerboy> :)
[11:31] <kbrooks> me too.
[11:31] <jeramy> apokryphos, that was my first guess.. :)  I don't have a nvidia card, so I won't be much help, but I can start you off.
[11:31] <zenrox> LinuxJones,  it hangs on starting hotplug
[11:31] <apokryphos> jeramy: cool
[11:32] <kbrooks> zenrox, i want to enjoy the benefit of newer packages. ;)
[11:32] <jaza> wow xmms sux.
[11:32] <Anubis> gdesklets
[11:32] <jaza> cant open files wtf
[11:32] <kbrooks> er
[11:32] <l__________l> bonjour
[11:32] <Anubis> anyone using the older version in stable?
[11:32] <LinuxJones> zenrox, shut down did you have a usb mouse before your new one or ps/2 ?
[11:32] <kbrooks> Panzerboy, *****
[11:32] <apokryphos> zenrox: not Ubuntu live? ;)
[11:32] <l__________l> parle pas francais ?
[11:32] <Phoenix[SPH] > jaza: try "Beep Media Player"
[11:32] <Deft> goldfish, yes, that's right...
[11:32] <jaza> kbrooks, u know any codecs or anythin that i can play divx and mpeg vids??
[11:32] <Panzerboy> is it possible to make the weel mouse work in firefox like it works in windows?
[11:32] <kbrooks> jaza: dont ask me
[11:33] <apokryphos> jaza: mplayer
[11:33] <Phoenix[SPH] > jaza: but xmms is not that sucky... it's a gtk1 app... that's what sucks most...
[11:33] <Panzerboy> like, when you press it, it appears that little round thingy whith arrows
[11:33] <zenrox> ubuntu live warty kernal panics
[11:33] <zenrox> on me
[11:33] <snowblink> Anubis: 0.26.2 on warty
[11:33] <jaza> how do i start mplayer
[11:33] <l__________l> qui parle francais "ptin"
[11:33] <jaza> where the hell are the icons in apps
[11:33] <jaza> omg :(
[11:33] <Phoenix[SPH] > Can this french guy, please choose a name as nick... please!
[11:33] <Deft> goldfish, you could try changing the driver to vesa (using sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is probably the best way) and then restarting X
[11:33] <l__________l> non
[11:33] <apokryphos> jaza: If you've got it installed, just Run Command > mplayer
[11:34] <zenrox> LinuxJones,  i just reinstalled warty (then upgrade to hoary) so i dint have to reconfigure xorg.conf
[11:34] <Phoenix[SPH] > Well, then I have no reason to speak french...
[11:34] <goldfish> Deft: k, i'll try that, thanks for your patience
[11:34] <jaza> says command not found
[11:34] <l__________l> ???
[11:34] <goldfish> Being a n00b sucks :)
[11:34] <zenrox> still had to configure it to get my vid card worken but thats ok
[11:34] <LinuxJones> zenrox, your running Hoary + GF 5200MX ?
[11:34] <jaza> where do i get mplayer
[11:34] <snowblink> goldfish: what errors do you get when it tries the higher res?
[11:34] <jeramy> apokryphos, or not.  :(  You should have the nvidia driver in restricted modules.
[11:34] <zenrox> LinuxJones,  knoppix at the moment ,trying to get ubuntu warty to boot
[11:34] <apokryphos> jaza: you don't have it installed. You can use synaptic for it. Do you ahve that installed?
[11:34] <l__________l> scue toi mek
[11:35] <goldfish> snowblink: I don't get errors, the max res available is not big enough
[11:35] <LinuxJones> zenrox, I went back to Warty this afternoon after struggling with that combo for a day and a half :(
[11:35] <zenrox> gf fx5200 pci
[11:35] <jaza> yes i got synaptic
[11:35] <jeramy> apokryphos, I could Google for it, but there's probably someone on here with a nvidia video card...
[11:35] <apokryphos> jaza: What am I talking about... it comes with Ubuntu :D
[11:35] <Phoenix[SPH] > la vie est dure sans confiture....
[11:35] <LinuxJones> zenrox, did you install the nvidia drivers on Warty ?
[11:35] <snowblink> goldfish: check your /var/log/XFree*
[11:35] <apokryphos> jeramy: Don't worry about it; I appreciate your help, really :). I'll do some research.
[11:35] <zenrox> i cant get warty to boot to do that
[11:35] <zenrox> LinuxJones,
[11:36] <zenrox> LinuxJones,  it hangs on starting Hotplug
[11:36] <LinuxJones> zenrox, was your old mouse usb or ps/2 ?
[11:36] <jeramy> oui oui.  Je l'ai mang hier soir
[11:36] <zenrox> LinuxJones,  usb just like this one
[11:36] <zenrox> but that shouldent matter
[11:36] <apokryphos> je deteste le francais =) (I was always quite bad at it)
[11:36] <zenrox> casue i just reinstalled warty
[11:36] <apokryphos> Beautiful language though ;)
[11:37] <zenrox> with new kb and mouse hooked up
[11:37] <LinuxJones> zenrox, can you re-seat or swap your old video card back in and try firing it up again ?
[11:37] <Phoenix[SPH] > jeramy: hey, that was the best sentance I was able to produce in french ;)
[11:37] <zenrox> LinuxJones,  the old vid card is built in
[11:37] <kbrooks> should you upgrade if you are upgrading to hoary
[11:37] <zenrox> i845g/gl
[11:37] <LinuxJones> zenrox, did you disable it in system bios ?
[11:38] <cozman> I've been struggling with the live CD lately, I am unable to get online, it seems to recognize my ethernet card but it isn't connecting
[11:38] <zenrox> cant emachine dont have that option
[11:38] <jeramy> I'm not exactly a francophone myself... :)
[11:38] <jeramy> anyway, gtg
[11:38] <cozman> if anyone can help I'd be very thankful
[11:38] <kbrooks> 'apt-get upgrade'
[11:38] <apokryphos> What package should be installed to install JAVA Virtual Machine? I see a lot of packages there... and the j2re ones seem to be for Debian.
[11:38] <zenrox> LinuxJones,  knoppix works just fine
[11:38] <apokryphos> (using Hoary)
[11:38] <zenrox> using it at the moment
[11:38] <jeramy> ciao
[11:38] <LinuxJones> zenrox, if it's built in video you can disable it somewhere in bios I would image. Maybe you just need to have a good look around.
[11:39] <zenrox> LinuxJones,  allreday did
[11:39] <zenrox> not thare
[11:39] <randabis> apokryphos, dunno, I always just used the bin from sun's site
[11:39] <LinuxJones> zenrox, knoppix is not the same as Warty
[11:39] <zenrox> LinuxJones,  i know
[11:39] <LinuxJones> zenrox, try pulling the new card out and try booting in again
[11:39] <zenrox> LinuxJones ok will do
[11:39] <zenrox> ill be back if it dont work
[11:39] <apokryphos> randabis: Alrighty; will do. Just a shame that the repositories there are included...
[11:40] <LinuxJones> zenrox, come back anyway :)
[11:42] <geppy> I've just patched and built a new kernel, and put it in /boot.  How do I need to reconfigure GRUB to recognize it?
[11:43] <geppy> Do I need to run 'grub-install /dev/hda4'?
[11:43] <geppy> ermm.... 3
[11:43] <geppy>  /dev/hda3 is my root directory
[11:43] <kbrooks> rub grub
[11:43] <kbrooks> run
[11:44] <snowblink> geppy: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:44] <geppy> Oh, alright.
[11:44] <geppy> That's all?
[11:44] <Phoenix[SPH] > Does anybody know what this read line in xchat is supposed to mean?
[11:44] <geppy> I'm quite familiar with how to do that.  =)
[11:45] <Phoenix[SPH] > red, not read
[11:45] <geppy> I've only copied the bzImage;  do I need to do something with initrd.img?
[11:46] <Phoenix[SPH] > greppy: it's similar to lilo... you just have not to rerun it every time....
[11:46] <randabis> you could have made your life easier by installing kernel-package
[11:46] <TheMuso> geppy: Why didn't you make it the debian way? A lot easier.
[11:46] <randabis> you could have just generated a kernel image deb file
[11:46] <geppy> randabis:  True, but I'm looking to learn.  =)
[11:46] <randabis> :)
[11:46] <cozman> does Ubuntu have any quirks when it comes to installing it's own bootloader, I'm familiar with dual booting with other distros, is there anything special about Ubuntu
[11:46] <randabis> ok
[11:46] <TheMuso> Fair enough.
[11:46] <Phoenix[SPH] > geppy: I'm no initrd master, but I suppose you'll have to rebuild that one - or leave it... depending on your new kernel configuration.
[11:47] <mcphail> cozman: has been pretty standard to me
[11:47] <geppy> Phoenix[SPH] :  Much thanks.
[11:47] <randabis> geppy you'll want to make a new initrd
[11:47] <geppy> randabis:  When I built the kernel, would that have been built, as well?
[11:47] <geppy> I really don't know what it is.
[11:47] <randabis> geppy, no, usually it isn't built unless you tell it to build one
[11:47] <snowblink> geppy: mkinitrd
[11:47] <TheMuso> geppy: No
[11:48] <Phoenix[SPH] > randabis: does this really work? I mean - I'm using linux for 6 years and never entrusted any script to copy the file to the right place, insert it into lilo/grub and run lilo....
[11:48] <apokryphos> anyone else having problems with installing kynaptic via apt?
[11:48] <geppy> snowblink: In the kernel build tree?
[11:48] <TheMuso> Phoenix[SPH] : Yes.
[11:48] <randabis> Phoenix[SPH] , I generally edit my grub config myself to add the new kernel
[11:48] <TheMuso> Phoenix[SPH] : After doing my own kernels on Slackware for so long, kernel package is a life saver.
[11:49] <Phoenix[SPH] > geppy: no, you have to run the "makeinitrd" or how it might be called... but IMHO is the initrd only needed when you A: have module support and B: have made necessary drivers to boot as modules....
[11:50] <randabis> mkinitrd
[11:50] <geppy> Phoenix[SPH] :  Ah, alright.
[11:50] <snowblink> geppy: Are you using ext3?
[11:50] <jaza> any way to speed up internet?? it seems to load slower than windows
[11:50] <Phoenix[SPH] > TheMuso: well, the I have to give it a shop sometime....
[11:50] <mcphail> I think you need initrd for ReiserFS (and ? Ext3)
[11:50] <geppy> ext3 for root, reiser for my music and stuff.
[11:50] <snowblink> mcphail: yup ext3 needs it
[11:51] <snowblink> geppy: then you should create one
[11:51] <Phoenix[SPH] > randabis: ... I'm lagging .... I saw your post after I wrote mine...
[11:51] <geppy> snowblink:  Alright.
[11:51] <TheMuso> Don't forget that you have to have your disk controller code in the kernel as well if you don't want an initrd.
[11:51] <TheMuso> jaza: How are you connected?
[11:51] <jaduncan> just started running Hoary now, just wanted to say thanks for the great job
[11:51] <jaduncan> this is finally enough that I want to move from unstable
[11:52] <geppy> Well, I'm rebooting. =)
[11:52] <Phoenix[SPH] > jaza: your internet is as fast as it was, no matter what os or cpu speed you have - but you might give some details ....
[11:52] <jaza> o i c
[11:52] <jaza> how do i hide a folder i made
[11:52] <jaza> so i can go to view hidden to see only
[11:52] <TheMuso> geppy: Hope you still have your old kernel set up./
[11:52] <geppy> Phoenix[SPH] :  Perhaps he is referring to Firefox defaulting to IPv6?
[11:53] <jaza> any way?
[11:53] <Phoenix[SPH] > oh, I forgot why I'm here - is anybody using hoary with cups? is this admin restriction meant to be released or a teporary matter?
[11:53] <bitfoo> add a . to the foldername
[11:53] <bitfoo> so .secretfolder
[11:53] <jaza> thnx
[11:53] <bitfoo> :|
[11:53] <jaza> LOL
[11:53] <MLimburg> i've tried gentoo twice, fedora three times, mandrake 10.1 and debian .. in two days .. it's driving me crazy ..
[11:53] <randabis> I have hoary with cups, but haven't bothered setting cups up
[11:54] <kulaki> hi, how to check which package a program belongs to?
[11:54] <Phoenix[SPH] > geppy: well - does ubuntu have ipv6 support by default in the kernel?
[11:54] <holotone> VERY new linux user here, just had one quick question.. Where does Ubuntu live store my settings, as in any changes I've made to the default setup, and long are they active for?
[11:54] <TheMuso> kulaki: dpkg --search progname
[11:54] <Phoenix[SPH] > jaza "mv myfolder .myfolder"
[11:54] <kulaki> thanks TheMuzo
[11:55] <holotone> they've got to be stored in RAM, I would imagine, but doesn't that clear at reboot?
[11:55] <TheMuso> holotone: Yes. I am not aware of any way to save your settings from the live CD, but whatever you change gets lost at reboot unless you do save them somewhere.
[11:56] <holotone> It gives me the option at shutdown to save my settings, so that doesn't do anything then?
[11:56] <TheMuso> That option is only for the GNOME desktop. That doesn't mean anything.
[11:56] <dud> you can save it on say, a usb stick
[11:56] <dud> or other removable storage
[11:57] <TheMuso> The save settings check box at the logout screen is the choice of whether you want to save your current GNOME desktop layout, etc.
[11:57] <holotone> is there any easy way to do that? I've got a memory key, and all I really wanted saved are my desktop settings, and my email settings for evolution
[11:57] <holotone> is there a quick way to do it that it will grab the settings off the USB @ boot?
[11:58] <raydogg_> anyone ever run pearpc in ubuntu ?
[11:58] <Phoenix[SPH] > holotone: I assume you'll have to copy your home folder onto the stick...
[11:58] <raydogg_> i get an error that says it can't find xopendisplay in -lx11
[11:58] <jaza> anywhere i can get custom icons for my desktop?
[11:59] <TheMuso> geppy: How did it go?
[11:59] <Phoenix[SPH] > holotone: and when you boot, to remount the stick so it's used for home partition.... that should go... it's a lilttle work but doable...
[11:59] <smsmasters> how do i set write permissions to my apache www folder
[11:59] <smsmasters> it wont let me
[11:59] <snowblink> jaza: art.gnome.org
[11:59] <holotone> Ok then, when I get off work, I'll come back by and get a little bit of help with that, if it's possible.
[11:59] <geppy> modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.8.1/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[11:59] <geppy> Kernel panic
[11:59] <geppy> =)