| mdz | Kamion: do you have an announcement prepared already? | 12:03 |
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| Kamion | not even a little bit | 12:03 |
| mdz | thom says ETA: 30 minutes | 12:03 |
| mdz | mako: ping,, re: array 4 announcement | 12:03 |
| Kamion | I'm starting one now | 12:04 |
| Kamion | um ... I was just going to do it based on the array 3 announcement, I think that's worked pretty well so far | 12:04 |
| mdz | ok | 12:04 |
| mdz | was looking for a copy | 12:04 |
| mdz | you send these to where, -devel and -users? | 12:04 |
| Kamion | yeah | 12:05 |
| Kamion | I always need to go through the installer changes I've made in order to write the release notes anyway | 12:05 |
| Kamion | haha, bonus, due to the lazy way I wrote the end of publish-release, all I needed to do was 'publish-release daily 20050204.2 install no array-4; publish-release daily-live 20050204.2 live no array-4' | 12:08 |
| mdz | the only interesting user-visible casper change is that it doesn't cause init to emit scary messages anymore | 12:08 |
| sivang | hrm I'm tired, night everyone! | 12:08 |
| Kamion | mdz: ok, thanks | 12:08 |
| Kamion | that's since array 3.5 live right? | 12:08 |
| mdz | yes | 12:08 |
| jbailey | Kamion: Does the installer have tac and tsort available to it when it's running hotplug, or are you just in busybox land at that point? | 12:09 |
| mdz | jbailey: busybox | 12:11 |
| ajmitch | hello | 12:12 |
| bluefoxicy | mdz: how are users expected to upgrade ubuntu when a new version is out | 12:12 |
| Kamion | mdz: and the localisation fix | 12:12 |
| jbailey | mdz: Thanks. Time to conjure some awk magic, I guess =) | 12:13 |
| mdz | Kamion: oh, good call | 12:13 |
| Kamion | jbailey: neither appears to be in busybox | 12:13 |
| bluefoxicy | mdz: all the answers I can think of involving altering a setting to point at a new source, whether using synaptec's package manager or editing some files | 12:13 |
| jbailey | Kamion: No, they're definetly not. | 12:13 |
| jbailey | Thanks, though. | 12:13 |
| Kamion | mdz: (have you confirmed it to work, actually?) | 12:14 |
| mdz | Kamion: let me do a quick test | 12:14 |
| mdz | someone did confirm it at the time, sivang I think | 12:15 |
| robertj | mdz: ok I have a /shadow-working and a /shadow-prestine, what args do I need to force feed patch to get the output you need? | 12:17 |
| mdz | robertj: diff -ruN | 12:17 |
| mdz | Kamion: confirmed, it works | 12:20 |
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| robertj | mdz: note to self: doh! | 12:22 |
| robertj | note to self: set a root password | 12:22 |
| === robertj rm'd /etc/sudoers to test ;) | ||
| robertj | brb | 12:22 |
| robertj | actually I wont be, im gonna fix this and then be off to dinner | 12:22 |
| Kamion | mdz: where was 3.5 announced? | 12:24 |
| Kamion | mdz: oh, never mind, found it | 12:24 |
| mdz | 3.5 went to -announce because it was the first live CD milestone EVAR | 12:24 |
| mdz | do you think we should do broader announcements of any Arrays, or not until Preview? | 12:25 |
| jbailey | Mm.. no awk in the busybox udeb. | 12:25 |
| mdz | what's the required task? | 12:26 |
| Kamion | mdz: not until preview, I feel | 12:27 |
| Kamion | I think the announcements to -users and -devel have served the intended purpose of Sounders and Arrays pretty well up to now; they've had a substantial amount of interest and testing, but not volumes that we can't cope with during development | 12:28 |
| Kamion | mdz: could you glance over http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/array-4-announce? | 12:28 |
| Kamion | jbailey: sed, tr, and 'while read ...; do' tend to be enough for most things IME ... | 12:30 |
| Kamion | most awkish things, that is | 12:30 |
| Kamion | plus good use of ${var#...}, ${var%...}, etc. :-) | 12:30 |
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| srbaker | whoa | 12:37 |
| srbaker | 123 upgraded packages. | 12:37 |
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| elmo | gar, I so wish apt had rate limiting | 12:41 |
| jbailey | Kamion: I need to do an ordered sort with some guarantees put on it. Like the pci hotplug run has to happen before the IDE one. I can probably do a series of ugly pipes with grep -v to just extract them and force them to the end, though. | 12:41 |
| mdz | Kamion: glancing | 12:41 |
| mdz | Kamion: I think elmo might object to: | 12:42 |
| mdz | I recommend rsync if possible, as you can then download future images | 12:42 |
| mdz | based on this one to save bandwidth. | 12:42 |
| Kamion | hm? that's been in the sounder/array announcements since sounder 6 or so | 12:42 |
| mdz | I think we ought to change it | 12:42 |
| Kamion | oh, but the rsync limits, blah | 12:43 |
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| mdz | only users who download ISOs regularly should use rsync | 12:43 |
| mdz | and they certainly don't need to use rsync the first time, in order to be able to rsync later images | 12:43 |
| Kamion | true enough | 12:43 |
| Kamion | just delete that paragraph then? | 12:43 |
| mdz | that sentence and the rsync:// URL, I'd say | 12:43 |
| Kamion | I do think the rsync:// URL should stay; it is not obvious how to construct it from the http:// URL | 12:44 |
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| Kamion | at least I assume that it's not obvious because everybody seems to have to ask about it when we don't mention it explicitly | 12:45 |
| mdz | isn't it on the Archive page in the wiki? | 12:45 |
| mdz | I think "here are http and torrent URLs; for other stuff look at this page" is fine | 12:45 |
| Kamion | dude, I'm nearly convinced *you* asked about it :) | 12:45 |
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| Kamion | hm, Archive is actually wrong, correcting | 12:46 |
| thom | right, so we need to sync to torrent.u.c and then i'll kick | 12:47 |
| mdz | we're nearly there | 12:47 |
| elmo | ARE WE THERE YET?? | 12:47 |
| thom | #ubuntu-devel, featuring James Troup as ADD boy | 12:49 |
| Kamion | ok, removed the rsync: line with reservations | 12:49 |
| lifeless | someone put that in the topic, puhlease | 12:49 |
| thom | lifeless: go for it ;-) | 12:49 |
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| Kamion | creating .torrent files, then I'll sync | 12:50 |
| lifeless | # | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | 12:50 |
| lifeless | bah | 12:50 |
| thom | lifeless: um ;-) | 12:50 |
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| lifeless | silly copy n paste | 12:50 |
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| thom | hurrah for tab completion | 12:51 |
| mdz | Kamion: thanks | 12:52 |
| lifeless | oh thats nice, I did not know that. | 12:53 |
| thom | lifeless: irssi > * | 12:53 |
| mdz | Kamion: we'll revisit the rsync thing when we have more server-guts to throw at the problem | 12:53 |
| lifeless | yah, irssi is love | 12:53 |
| mdz | at this point, fewer people finding the rsync url is a feature :-/ | 12:53 |
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| Kamion | mirrors syncing now | 12:54 |
| thully | hi - I have a question - when the X bug was causing problems, did this effect dist-upgraders or just people installing/using live CD snapshots? | 12:54 |
| Kamion | both as far as I know; it was a cat-induced typo in the postinst | 12:55 |
| elmo | we dropped mozilla-locale-* ? | 12:56 |
| mdz | we did? | 12:56 |
| thom | elmo: they were only seeded by the language packs | 12:57 |
| thom | s/seeded/depended on/ | 12:57 |
| elmo | mdz: anastacia wants to remove a whole bunch | 12:57 |
| mdz | ah, pitti removed the deps | 12:57 |
| mdz | elmo: feel free to add them to supported, we want to keep them | 12:57 |
| mdz | in fact I think they were there, and were removed because they were added to the language packs | 12:57 |
| Kamion | score | 12:57 |
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| elmo | mdz: okay, what about {i,w}{danish,dutch} ? they're built by source packages that got promoted for building aspell i18n dicts.. do we want the {i,w} variants too? | 12:59 |
| Kamion | I really must automate that HEADER.html thing, doing it by hand each time is no fun | 12:59 |
| elmo | re-seeding mozilla-locale for ca, cy, da, el, es-es, it, no-nb, pl, ptbr and sl | 12:59 |
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| Kamion | and .htaccess, come to that | 01:00 |
| mdz | elmo: if ispell is in main, and the source packages are in main for other reasons, yeah, why not | 01:00 |
| Kamion | mdz: should I put "(Install and Live)" or something in the subject line? | 01:02 |
| Kamion | I like the pun anyway :) | 01:02 |
| Kamion | INSTALL OR DIE | 01:02 |
| mdz | Kamion: sure | 01:03 |
| mdz | Kamion: "installation and live editions"? | 01:03 |
| elmo | mdz: hmm, ispell is in main but we don't seem to have {m,}any other i18n dicts for it | 01:03 |
| Kamion | bah, how boring | 01:03 |
| Kamion | ok, done | 01:03 |
| Kamion | ARE WE NEARLY THERE YET, mirrors | 01:03 |
| mdz | live stuff is still appearing on cdimage.u.c | 01:04 |
| mdz | is the torrent mirror up to date? | 01:04 |
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| elmo | thom's working on it | 01:07 |
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| elmo | mirnyy's only up to ia64 | 01:08 |
| elmo | powerpc... | 01:13 |
| thom | orcadas is syncing now | 01:13 |
| Kamion | orcadas? new torrent? | 01:13 |
| thom | yeah | 01:13 |
| Kamion | ok, since I want to get to bed, if you don't mind I'll send the announce as soon as mirnyy's complete; mail delays should take care of the rest anyway | 01:14 |
| thom | fine from where i'm sat | 01:14 |
| Kamion | ah, there it goes | 01:15 |
| elmo | mirnyy's done | 01:16 |
| Kamion | sent, night all | 01:16 |
| thom | orcadas is at ia64 | 01:16 |
| thom | night duder | 01:16 |
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| === tseng trys to snag array-4 before the masses hit | ||
| mdz | tseng: use the torrent and benefit from the massis | 01:22 |
| mdz | masses | 01:22 |
| tseng | heh, good call | 01:22 |
| tseng | i just used gnome-bt on array-3.5 and it rocks | 01:23 |
| mdz | it's installed by default now | 01:23 |
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| jdub | Kamion: night, rock :) | 01:30 |
| thom | torrents should be kicking ass and taking names | 01:30 |
| mdz | seeding {install,live}-i386 | 01:32 |
| thom | aww, the ia64 live cd doesn't have any peers | 01:38 |
| mdz | it also doesn't work, I don't think | 01:38 |
| thom | really? i should grab a copy and try it next week | 01:39 |
| thom | but now, i should go to sleep | 01:39 |
| thom | or at least leave my computer | 01:39 |
| thom | g'night | 01:40 |
| mdz | night, thanks | 01:40 |
| thom | no problem | 01:41 |
| lamont | mdz: ia64 livecd won't work until it's built with -14 kernel, I believe | 01:47 |
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| lamont | nope. -14 still lacks the needed ia64 changes. | 01:49 |
| lamont | those will be in -15, I believe - fabbione had them in his tree | 01:49 |
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| mdz | lamont: is mplayer all happy now? | 02:28 |
| elmo | when his last 3 uploads push through, it should be | 02:29 |
| elmo | I asked him to do the ffmpeg stuff we discussed | 02:29 |
| mdz | yeah, I saw the uploads and that prompted the question | 02:29 |
| mdz | the array 4 announcement seems to have gone over quietly | 02:30 |
| jdub | mdz: can fix. | 02:31 |
| elmo | uh | 02:35 |
| elmo | dpkg-distaddfile gpgv-udeb_$(VERSION)_$(DEB_HOST_ARCH).udeb debian-installer extra | 02:36 |
| elmo | how can that possible be right? | 02:36 |
| mdz | looks reasonable to me? | 02:41 |
| elmo | mdz: not so much if you're cross building | 02:41 |
| mdz | ah, ok | 02:42 |
| lamont | elmo: like that actually works... | 02:42 |
| lamont | mdz: no clue if it's happy yet, but elmo tells me it should be... | 02:42 |
| mdz | daniels: so, array 4 is done | 02:43 |
| mdz | daniels: feel free to break xorg | 02:43 |
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| mdz | daniels: can we do something about my KVM regression? | 02:43 |
| mdz | daniels: it seems that if we can't probe, and so go to the trouble of asking the user which modes they want, we should give them what they ask for | 02:48 |
| daniels | mdz: yes, that's already fixed locally | 02:49 |
| daniels | (i fixed it about 10min after you first tlold me about it) | 02:49 |
| mdz | daniels: oh, great | 02:50 |
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| mdz | so that'll be in ubuntu16 | 02:50 |
| daniels | yes | 02:50 |
| mdz | which will also eliminate the need for XORG_FORCE_PROBE=yes | 02:52 |
| mdz | and is free of live CD regressions in your test | 02:52 |
| daniels | mdzafaict, yes | 03:00 |
| mdz | let me know if you want to send some debs my way to test | 03:00 |
| daniels | mdz: (X_F_P can be unset or yes for the same effect; no to disable it) | 03:00 |
| daniels | sure. might throw up some source packages later, but for some reason my local build is screwed with strip (it just point-blank refuses to strip them), so all my debs are hoooooge. | 03:00 |
| mdz | DEB_BUILD_OPTS=nostrip lingering somewhere? | 03:01 |
| daniels | mdz: nope, strip gets called, but bails out | 03:12 |
| daniels | strip: unable to copy file 'debian/xserver-xorg/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/palmax_drv.o' reason: Permission denied | 03:13 |
| daniels | ad infinitum | 03:13 |
| daniels | umask doesn't seem to be a problem, not sure of what's up | 03:13 |
| wasabi | Remember earlier when I asked about the cyclic build dependencies being acceptable? I am working on going over Debian's Java stuff and cleaning it up... seems there are lots of these. | 03:16 |
| wasabi | XML libraries requiring utilities requriing XML libraries, and onward. | 03:16 |
| wasabi | Should I even try to sort this out? Or is it acceptable? | 03:16 |
| mdz | jdub: still here? | 03:24 |
| mdz | wasabi: if it is possible to build the packages without the cyclic dependencies, then yes, that is preferable | 03:25 |
| mdz | wasabi: these cases need to be handled manually when we bootstrap a new architecture, which is labour-intensive | 03:25 |
| wasabi | yeah. | 03:26 |
| wasabi | Well, it being Java might not make that that important. | 03:26 |
| wasabi | It's arch all | 03:26 |
| mdz | lamont,jdub: I'm ready to make the ubuntu-live metapackage, but the current contents of the live seed are sort of random | 03:27 |
| mdz | we should have some guidelines/rationale/sanity before we start to use it | 03:27 |
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| jba | hey gang | 03:31 |
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| lamont | mdz: does ubuntu-live Depend: ubuntu-desktop, I wonder? | 03:33 |
| lamont | in any case, you say when, and I'll switch the script over | 03:33 |
| jba | lamont, i was thinking of installing tomboy from ubuntu apt servers, but my mono prefix is /user/local | 03:33 |
| jba | should i just install it from source ? | 03:34 |
| lamont | "my mono prefix" == something you did, or does our mono package have things broken? | 03:34 |
| lamont | hoary has mono 1.0.5, or should | 03:34 |
| tseng | jba: er, why? | 03:34 |
| tseng | install tomboy + mono all from hoary | 03:34 |
| jba | lamont, something i did | 03:35 |
| jba | i install mono form source cause I hack on mono sources | 03:35 |
| jba | lamont, i would be using mono/gtk#/gecko# and so on from svn as of two days ago | 03:36 |
| tseng | sounds like you are on your own, dude | 03:36 |
| jba | tseng, I'm actually a mono hacker (working on MWF at the moment), that's why | 03:36 |
| lamont | then either tomboy from source, or point it at /usr/local after you install, I guess | 03:36 |
| jba | cool | 03:36 |
| jba | just thought I'd ask | 03:36 |
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| jba | I'm not adverse to installing from source, but was wondering if you wanted me to test the installation | 03:36 |
| jba | sorry dude (lamont), I thought you were packaging mono stuff, must have been tseng instead | 03:37 |
| tseng | not jumping to support non-standard installs from svn, no | 03:37 |
| lamont | jba: I just build the stuff | 03:37 |
| jba | i wasn't asking for support guys | 03:37 |
| jba | just wanted the lowdown on how it's installed | 03:37 |
| tseng | well install whatever works, your own your own | 03:37 |
| jba | I'll give it a whirl from apt, and let you know how it goes ? | 03:38 |
| tseng | is how i mean. | 03:38 |
| jba | tseng, I know that, I'm cool with it | 03:38 |
| jba | just thought maybe you wouldn't mind some testers | 03:38 |
| jba | apologies for coming off as someone asking for suppot | 03:39 |
| jba | catch ya round later | 03:39 |
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| tseng | odd. | 03:40 |
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| tseng | battlstar, bbl | 03:52 |
| mdz | lamont: no, ubuntu-live will not depend on ubuntu-desktop | 04:00 |
| mdz | dependencies between the metapackages get ugly | 04:01 |
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| lamont | mdz: ok | 04:08 |
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| thully | hi - I was trying to rsync an iso to array 4, and I wondered - where do I see how much has to be downloaded in order to rsync? | 04:10 |
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| zul | hey | 04:16 |
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| robertj | hey all, Im bumbling around trying to create a diff of the stuff that has changed from the apt-src package, but it's picking up all the new stuff in the debian directory | 05:00 |
| robertj | is their an equivalent of a dpkg-buildpackage mrclean or something? | 05:00 |
| lamont | robertj: "fakeroot debian/rules clean" | 05:05 |
| robertj | ahh | 05:05 |
| zul | lamont: what are you still doing up? | 05:09 |
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| lamont | zul: about to go to bed, truth be told | 05:29 |
| zul | lamont, what time is it there? | 05:30 |
| lamont | 2131 | 05:30 |
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| zul | thats not too bad.. | 05:31 |
| zul | 2331 here | 05:31 |
| tseng | daniels: ping | 05:38 |
| daniels | pong | 05:39 |
| tseng | i just did a clean install of hoary, i have a ~/.Xresources with settings for rxvt | 05:39 |
| tseng | any ideas why its not seeming to be picked up? | 05:39 |
| tseng | did xrdb -all .Xresources even | 05:39 |
| daniels | try .Xdefaults instead; other than that I'm not sure, sorry | 05:41 |
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| tseng | yeah i copied it there also. | 05:42 |
| tseng | stupid thing | 05:42 |
| crimsun | tseng: err, xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources ? | 05:42 |
| tseng | crimsun: still nothing | 05:42 |
| wasabi | What would I use in cdbs to do something before the build starts? | 05:42 |
| crimsun | this is "true" rxvt, correct? | 05:43 |
| tseng | no, rxvt-unicode | 05:43 |
| tseng | this was working until i reinstalled | 05:43 |
| crimsun | I presume you use URxvt* ? | 05:43 |
| robertj | what params do you need to reapply a diff created with ruN | 05:43 |
| tseng | crimsun: yes. | 05:43 |
| tseng | robertj: patch -p1 < ~/diff | 05:44 |
| tseng | robertj: or so | 05:44 |
| crimsun | hmm, puzzling. | 05:44 |
| robertj | hrmm, how can I test the configure script? | 05:51 |
| tseng | actually its kind of working, just not the font | 05:51 |
| robertj | the closest I managed to get was to coerce a message that it was already configured | 05:52 |
| ajmitch | ogra: around? | 06:04 |
| crimsun | (probably still asleep) | 06:04 |
| ajmitch | nah, he's only 40min idle | 06:04 |
| ajmitch | although he was disconnected then.. | 06:05 |
| crimsun | timed out, yeah | 06:06 |
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| wasabi_ | i wonder if having EVMS set up by default removes the need for the md startup scripts | 06:50 |
| zenrox | whos the nivida god in here | 07:18 |
| fabbione | mdz, Kamion: andrew morton acknoledge the patch :-) | 07:29 |
| mdz | wasabi_: nearly so, yes | 07:44 |
| mdz | fabbione: cool | 07:45 |
| dilinger | which patch is that? | 07:56 |
| fabbione | dilinger: noexec= | 07:58 |
| fabbione | mdz: did you read the other mail about grub? | 07:58 |
| fabbione | (btw Robert released another inotify patch yesterday with our fixes and it should fix our critical bug) | 07:58 |
| fabbione | i will test it on monday :-) | 07:58 |
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| fabbione | hmmm | 08:11 |
| fabbione | what do we use to burn dvd's? | 08:11 |
| crimsun | dvd+rw-tools+nautilus-cd-burner? | 08:14 |
| fabbione | crimsun: without natilus? | 08:14 |
| fabbione | dvd+rw-tools are ok to format/clean but they can't burn | 08:14 |
| fabbione | and cdrecord needs the "PRo" version | 08:14 |
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| crimsun | that's a good question. Unfortunately I don't know. | 08:16 |
| fabbione | dvdrtools - DVD writing program | 08:16 |
| crimsun | ah, in multiverse? | 08:17 |
| crimsun | sorry, I presumed you meant something in main | 08:17 |
| fabbione | eheh no problem :-) | 08:18 |
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| fabbione | crimsun: how do you blank dvds? | 08:41 |
| fabbione | apparently dvd+rw-format doesn't do it properly... | 08:42 |
| crimsun | fabbione: (no dvd drive here) | 08:42 |
| fabbione | ah ok | 08:42 |
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| mdz | fabbione: yes, I did read the mail, but I'm not sure how to implement the fix | 09:28 |
| mdz | fabbione: I use dvd+rw-tools to burn, all the time | 09:28 |
| fabbione | mdz: what command do you use? | 09:29 |
| mdz | growisofs, the program with the completely uninformative name | 09:29 |
| fabbione | ok | 09:29 |
| fabbione | thanks | 09:29 |
| mdz | growisofs -Z /dev/scd0=hoary-live-i386.iso | 09:29 |
| mdz | is my finger macro | 09:29 |
| mdz | you can also burn DVDs with dd :-) | 09:29 |
| fabbione | i am having some weird problems and i am trynig to figure out if it is a media problem or not | 09:29 |
| mdz | what kind of media? | 09:29 |
| fabbione | "budget" dvd-r | 09:30 |
| fabbione | the same iso can be burned without any problems on dvd+rw | 09:30 |
| fabbione | but whatver i use i cannot burn it on the dvd- | 09:30 |
| fabbione | the strange thing is that the rw reports even less space than the dvd- | 09:30 |
| fabbione | it always fails at the end | 09:31 |
| fabbione | not being able to close the disc (on windows) | 09:31 |
| fabbione | and it doesn't even start in linux | 09:31 |
| mdz | I use dvd+rw exclusively | 09:31 |
| fabbione | (indipendently from the media) | 09:31 |
| mdz | so I don't know much about other media | 09:31 |
| mdz | but I have had no problems with +rw | 09:31 |
| fabbione | ok | 09:31 |
| fabbione | neither do i, but i cannot store everything on +rw :-) | 09:31 |
| fabbione | not after i got 600 DVD's -r :-) | 09:32 |
| mdz | that is a lot of DVD | 09:32 |
| fabbione | i know :-) | 09:32 |
| fabbione | somebody was kind enough to give them as present for the wedding | 09:33 |
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| mdz | only 7 days to go :-) | 09:34 |
| fabbione | 7 days, 6 hours and 35 minutes | 09:34 |
| fabbione | don't try to steal my (still) FREE TIME! | 09:34 |
| fabbione | :P | 09:34 |
| fabbione | mdz: to clean the dvd do you use dvd+rw-format? | 09:37 |
| mdz | I have never had to do that | 09:44 |
| fabbione | so you never reuse a dvd? | 09:44 |
| mdz | of course I do | 09:44 |
| mdz | I just growisofs over it again | 09:44 |
| fabbione | or growisofs does it for you? | 09:44 |
| mdz | there is no need to explicitly erase | 09:44 |
| fabbione | cool | 09:44 |
| mdz | you just rewrite | 09:44 |
| fabbione | i am kinda "new" to dvd mastering | 09:44 |
| fabbione | ok | 09:44 |
| mdz | DVD+RW is so much nicer than CD-RW | 09:45 |
| mdz | very simple | 09:45 |
| fabbione | i get that ;) | 09:45 |
| smurfix | I still need to get a DVD burner for the server -- the thing is busy enough, backup over the network would be deadly | 09:46 |
| fabbione | smurfix: i have a LITE-ON.. cheap and nice | 09:46 |
| smurfix | mdz: new initrd image for the key selector available | 09:47 |
| smurfix | I'm off for a week of {supervising the kids while they do some,} skiing now, but I'll take the cellphone and the laptop | 09:48 |
| mdz | smurfix: you don't think we should put it into hoary yet? | 09:50 |
| smurfix | mdz: Need a Python bugfix for that, and d-i doesn't yet know how to build the file. | 09:51 |
| smurfix | I'll do that work over the next few days. | 09:52 |
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| smurfix | mdz: The Python fix is already in CVS, and the next release will be soon; if not I'll do an interim bugfix update. | 09:56 |
| mdz | ok | 10:00 |
| mdz | enjoy your holiday | 10:00 |
| mdz | ogra: ping? | 10:01 |
| smurfix | mdz: I will, assuming I won't freeze my ass off :-/ | 10:01 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 10:26 |
| sivang | dholbach: morning | 10:28 |
| dholbach | hi sivang | 10:29 |
| sivang | dholbach: what's up? | 10:29 |
| dholbach | sivang: got to do some shopping and some learning afterwards :-) | 10:31 |
| sivang | dholbach: when is your test? | 10:31 |
| dholbach | sivang: what are you up to, today? | 10:31 |
| dholbach | monday | 10:32 |
| sivang | oohh | 10:32 |
| dholbach | last exam :-) | 10:32 |
| sivang | :-) | 10:32 |
| dholbach | couldnt sleep last night, so i packaged gparted | 10:32 |
| sivang | dholbach: hehe, nice going for someone who can't sleep :) | 10:33 |
| dholbach | it really looks nice, but i discovered a SERIOUS bug | 10:33 |
| dholbach | unmounting a vfat partition caused the box to die | 10:33 |
| dholbach | so i put this in a kind of "experimental" repo :-) | 10:33 |
| dholbach | 0.0.9 (next release) should be better :-) | 10:34 |
| sivang | Ah I see, well, do you have any idea why tomboy won't start ? (sheesh all my notes..) | 10:34 |
| dholbach | on amd64 there is no mono atm :-/ | 10:34 |
| dholbach | so i couldnt test... but does it say anything, if you start it from console? | 10:35 |
| sivang | no | 10:35 |
| sivang | :(( | 10:35 |
| dholbach | strace ? | 10:35 |
| sivang | and tseng is 3 hours into away .. | 10:35 |
| sivang | lemme check | 10:35 |
| dholbach | does it look for a file it can't find? | 10:35 |
| sivang | clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME, {1107596150, 55674000}) = 0 | 10:35 |
| sivang | futex(0xb70504cc, FUTEX_WAIT, 126, {0, 99326000} | 10:35 |
| sivang | seems like it's stuck somewhere... | 10:36 |
| sivang | doesn't go out of this | 10:36 |
| dholbach | nothing funny before? | 10:36 |
| sivang | no, everything was working just fine, and I was using tseng's repo's before, oh wel.. | 10:37 |
| dholbach | imean in strace | 10:37 |
| dholbach | <- shower | 10:38 |
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| sivang | I'll check and let you know | 10:39 |
| sivang | mvo_: morning | 10:39 |
| mvo_ | hi sivang | 10:39 |
| mvo_ | hi all | 10:39 |
| === sivang wonders how come his theme changes so much after last night's upgrade | ||
| Kamion | fabbione: I saw the grub mail even if mdz didn't. working on it now(ish) | 10:41 |
| fabbione | Kamion: cool, i am talking with Anderw Morton that is asking why we are having this problem and pushing for the noexec fix for 2.6.11 | 10:47 |
| fabbione | they scheduled for 2.6.12 but that was not clear from the first emails | 10:47 |
| sivang | seb128: any idea why my theme changed completely after last night's upgrade? ;-) | 10:47 |
| sivang | seb128: and the mousr cursoe became plain old X's insteaf of the gnome one? | 10:47 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i think anyway that grub is not the only that needs to be fixed | 10:48 |
| seb128 | sivang: what theme are you using ? | 10:49 |
| Kamion | fabbione: there are extraordinarily few applications that this affects; if grub isn't the only one, it's almost certainly the only one we care about | 10:49 |
| fabbione | roger :-) | 10:49 |
| Kamion | fabbione: and reading ak's mail I understand the problem and it makes sense for it to be fixed in grub, imho | 10:49 |
| sivang | seb128: I had a customized one... | 10:49 |
| sivang | seb128: can't recall | 10:49 |
| seb128 | sivang: so no way to help you | 10:50 |
| sivang | seb128: ok, I'm searching...btw, I see now that I can really page through the available themes in the them manager window, do you have the same problem? | 10:50 |
| seb128 | "can really page through" | 10:51 |
| seb128 | ? | 10:51 |
| sivang | no matter if I try scrolling using the kbd or mouse, it goes back to the first theme | 10:51 |
| seb128 | oh, yeah, known issue | 10:51 |
| sivang | there | 10:51 |
| sivang | 's a bug number already and an assumtpion what causes this? | 10:51 |
| seb128 | I think that's fixed in the CVS with all the patches commited this week | 10:52 |
| seb128 | let me know if that still happen next week with the new release | 10:52 |
| sivang | ok, I made the changes back, | 10:53 |
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| sivang | for some reason the "custom" theme was still there, | 10:53 |
| sivang | but contained no info probably as it was plain white without borders etc.. | 10:53 |
| sivang | I am using Glider as my Controls theme, and metabox for the windows | 10:54 |
| seb128 | I think industrial is broken | 10:54 |
| seb128 | k | 10:54 |
| sivang | industrial seems working here ;-) | 10:54 |
| seb128 | you said that your mouse cursor is the standard one and now you say that's working fine | 10:55 |
| seb128 | is that working or not ? | 10:55 |
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| sivang | seb128: err, yes, *BESIDES* the mouse cursor :) Detail, details... | 10:55 |
| syn-ack | Im thinking I may need to submit another bug report Rhythmbox. | 10:58 |
| seb128 | feel free :) | 10:58 |
| syn-ack | Its crashing when one tried to load a /dir with multiple directories in it. | 10:59 |
| === mvo_ grumbles about baz and the "corrupt pristine" message | ||
| blixtra | Hi all, For a bug in a universe package, do I submit to ubuntu or debian? | 10:59 |
| syn-ack | to its maintainer. | 11:00 |
| blixtra | the debain mantainer I assume, since it's in universe. | 11:01 |
| sivang | mvo_: how did the pristine got corrupted? ;-) | 11:01 |
| syn-ack | hrm | 11:01 |
| mvo_ | sivang: I don't care if they are it should just rebuild it | 11:02 |
| Kamion | ooh, grub-install worked | 11:03 |
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| fabbione | Kamion: cool... i need to leave now.. going to test ubuntu sparc on a TELCO datacenter | 11:12 |
| fabbione | bbl | 11:12 |
| mdz | Kamion: nice | 11:20 |
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| sivang | morning pitti | 11:30 |
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| spiral | hi | 11:55 |
| spiral | Any new about smart batteries support ? | 11:55 |
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| pitti | Hi sivang | 11:59 |
| mjg59 | spiral: I've seen no progress on the kernel driver, I'm afraid | 12:07 |
| spiral | mjg59: saki told me that this worked on his computer, when he rebuild the kernel | 12:08 |
| mjg59 | spiral: Yes. That's not much use to us, though | 12:11 |
| mjg59 | Currently it's not possible to usefully support normal batteries /and/ smart batteries | 12:12 |
| spiral | mjg59: hmmm... incompatibility between two kinds ? | 12:14 |
| spiral | and wouldn't it be possible to have a specific kernel for smart batteries ? | 12:14 |
| mjg59 | No | 12:14 |
| mjg59 | The maintenance hassle would be large | 12:15 |
| Kamion | there are major benefits for us in having just one supported set of kernels | 12:15 |
| === sivang just experienced a very strong lightning. machines started to work, displays glittered | ||
| spiral | mjg59: ok... So I suppose the only way is to wait for an upgraded version of the patch, that could work for both situations ? | 12:15 |
| mjg59 | spiral: It's possible that we'll provide smart battery support in the kernel for hoary, but userspace tools won't be able to work with it | 12:16 |
| mjg59 | By the time Bendy comes around, everything ought to be using HAL for battery information, at which point it ceases to be a problem | 12:17 |
| spiral | mjg59: so this means that the battery indicator of KDE or gnome wouldn't work ? until HAL usage ? | 12:17 |
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| Treenaks | Bendy? | 12:21 |
| Treenaks | that's Hoary + 2? | 12:21 |
| Treenaks | +3 ? | 12:21 |
| sivang | hoary+1 | 12:22 |
| sivang | :) | 12:22 |
| sivang | mdz actually refuses the recognize the name of the beast :) | 12:23 |
| sivang | s/the/to/ | 12:23 |
| mjg59 | spiral: Correct | 12:23 |
| Treenaks | sivang: according to the wiki that's still grumpy :) | 12:24 |
| Hwolf | Bendy? Bendy what? | 12:24 |
| Kamion | don't ask | 12:24 |
| azeem | hey, is there a way to test IRDA on the hoary LiveCD? Any apps installed/anything to activate? | 12:24 |
| Hwolf | Treenaks: right. | 12:24 |
| Hwolf | Kamion: Enlighten me. | 12:24 |
| Kamion | Scott was trolling Mark and Mark took him seriously; a lesson for us all ;) | 12:24 |
| Kamion | Badger | 12:24 |
| Treenaks | LOL | 12:24 |
| sivang | hehe | 12:25 |
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| sivang | Kamion: but really, how did scott think of a Bendy ? | 12:25 |
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| Kamion | Scott has a twisted mind | 12:25 |
| Hwolf | Bendy Badger? Stylish. :-) | 12:26 |
| Mithrandir | please stop it. | 12:27 |
| Kaloz | :P | 12:27 |
| Josephus | :D | 12:27 |
| Hwolf | ;) | 12:27 |
| Hwolf | Feature freeze in a few days? | 12:27 |
| Kaloz | bendybunny :p eh :) | 12:27 |
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| Kamion | Hwolf: welcome to the Manic Coding Emporium | 12:28 |
| Kamion | it's feature freeze! get your mad hacks in now! | 12:28 |
| sivang | Hwolf: monday | 12:28 |
| Kamion | Wednesday I think | 12:28 |
| sivang | Kamion: oh ok, oops++ | 12:28 |
| Hwolf | sivang: That means no usplash; you just blew my weekend :-P | 12:28 |
| sivang | Hwolf: wednesday as Kamion noted :) | 12:29 |
| Kamion | the release schedule's confusing, but there's a bit at the top that says "Tasks listed for a given week are, in general, due on the Wednesday" | 12:29 |
| sivang | Hwolf: doesn't it help? | 12:29 |
| Kamion | I think sladen's still going for it but I don't know how he's doing | 12:29 |
| Kamion | sladen: ? | 12:29 |
| Hwolf | sivang: Only pretty artwork will help. Sorry | 12:29 |
| sivang | Kamion: btw, thanks for mentioning me on the d-i changlog :) (a suprising way to find my name there) | 12:30 |
| Kamion | heh, you're welcome | 12:30 |
| Hwolf | Hoary is a lot more user-friendly compared to the warty I'm currently using, but besides the installer, boot is a major weak piont, imho | 12:30 |
| === Mithrandir thinks the installer is a strong point, not a weak point. | ||
| Kamion | he did say "besides the installer" | 12:31 |
| Mithrandir | oh, I misparsed | 12:31 |
| azeem | congrats on the Hoary-LiveCD, btw. Great work. | 12:32 |
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| Hwolf | Mithrandir: It's straight forward, it works like a dream, but I pretty much dislike that you get 'booting into your ubuntu system' and then spend x hours watching -desktop being installed without a progress bar. | 12:34 |
| Kamion | Hwolf: yeah, I really would like to fix that, but it requires implementing progress bars in perl debconf | 12:35 |
| Kamion | which keeps slipping down my to-do list | 12:35 |
| Mithrandir | Hwolf: for x == 0.5 or so? ;) | 12:35 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: that ought to be simple enough, or? | 12:35 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: it's not extraordinarily difficult, but I want to do it for all frontends which is a fair bit of API research | 12:35 |
| Mithrandir | true. | 12:35 |
| Mithrandir | I can imagine the "editor" frontend having some problems there. | 12:36 |
| Mithrandir | and the http one | 12:36 |
| Kamion | I actually implemented a little bit of the PROGRESS interface in debconf recently, just enough to allow it to passthrough to cdebconf | 12:36 |
| Kamion | well, some of them would certainly have to ignore it, that goes without saying ... | 12:36 |
| Kamion | I suppose I could do it for dialog and make the rest fail or something | 12:36 |
| Kamion | or capb it :) | 12:36 |
| Mithrandir | I think capb is the way to go, really. | 12:37 |
| Kamion | guess so. I added progress to cdebconf's capb recently too. | 12:37 |
| Kamion | and capb can be per-frontend ... | 12:38 |
| Mithrandir | yup | 12:38 |
| Mithrandir | MPE | 12:38 |
| Kamion | MPE? | 12:39 |
| Hwolf | Kamion: In the meantime, change the texts to mention that installation is not finished, but now progressing to the installing of -desktop | 12:40 |
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| sivang | Kamion: the new grub is your work ? :) | 12:45 |
| Kamion | sivang: yeah | 12:46 |
| Kamion | Hwolf: I thought I already did that | 12:46 |
| Kamion | _Description: First stage of installation complete | 12:46 |
| Kamion | The first stage of the installation process is complete. Your computer | 12:46 |
| Kamion | will now reboot, ask you a few remaining questions, and install more | 12:46 |
| Kamion | packages. Make sure to remove the installation media (CD-ROM, | 12:46 |
| Kamion | floppies), so that your system boots from the disk to which Ubuntu was | 12:46 |
| Kamion | installed. | 12:46 |
| Kamion | since prebaseconfig 0.69ubuntu2, which was pre-warty | 12:47 |
| Hwolf | Kamion: I must have completely missed that. | 12:47 |
| Kamion | it's at the point when it ejects the CD | 12:47 |
| sivang | Kamion: eh, a new upstream, nice | 12:47 |
| Kamion | it does say "Rebooting into your new Ubuntu system", though, but I was reluctant to change too much because it kills translations | 12:48 |
| Kamion | sivang: hm, no? | 12:48 |
| Kamion | it was my patch for hardware you probably don't have unless you're on amd64 :) | 12:48 |
| Hwolf | Kamion: Please do. :-S | 12:50 |
| sivang | Kamion: ah ok , I thought I read on the changlog that's it's a new upstream :) nevermind | 12:51 |
| Kamion | no, just "New" as in "new patch" | 12:52 |
| sivang | Kamion: ok, cool, btw how is the weather in London today? | 12:52 |
| === Kamion digs out his old debconf progress diff | ||
| Kamion | haven't been outside yet - looks like a fairish day for winter thoug | 12:56 |
| Kamion | h | 12:56 |
| Kamion | oh yes, I had trouble working out where to keep the fd for communication with whiptail while the gauge was being displayed, that was it | 12:58 |
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| thom | Kamion: you've moved to london now? ;-P | 01:00 |
| Kamion | thom: not last I checked | 01:01 |
| thom | (because it's grey and 'orrible, here ;-) ) | 01:01 |
| sivang | Kamion: Ah oops, I assumed you were in london like sladen is :) | 01:01 |
| infinity | I've heard some pretty terrible things about London. | 01:02 |
| infinity | Not the least of which is "thom's there" | 01:02 |
| thom | it's a great city :P | 01:02 |
| sivang | infinity: like what? is one of the best places to be I reckon | 01:02 |
| infinity | Oh, and people say "reckon" a lot. But I have that problem where I live now, too. | 01:02 |
| sivang | pubs close around 11, peace and sound all day long :) | 01:02 |
| sladen | it's not as crap as I was expecting it to be when I moved here ...alot of what goes on in this country goes on here | 01:03 |
| === sivang wishes to visit picadilli square (or whatever it's spelled) | ||
| sivang | sladen: G'afternoon | 01:03 |
| thom | picadilly, you were pretty close | 01:03 |
| sladen | Kamion: no I don't know either, but we'll see | 01:03 |
| === infinity is happy his devel box came back to life today. | ||
| sivang | infinity: where are you in? | 01:03 |
| infinity | thom : Which means, expect a barrage of uploads tomorrow afternoovening. | 01:03 |
| infinity | sivang : Cairns, QLD, Australia. | 01:04 |
| thom | sladen: so how do we proceed with cpufreq? try to load what we think, then try speedstep-smi, then acpi? | 01:04 |
| thom | infinity: when are y'all actually moving? | 01:04 |
| sladen | thom: trying -smi is ''just going to work'' on more machines | 01:04 |
| infinity | thom : We leave on the 15th or 16th, get there 4 or 5 days later. | 01:04 |
| infinity | thom : So.. Uhh.. Friggin' soon. | 01:05 |
| sivang | infinity: why are you moving? | 01:05 |
| infinity | sivang : Greener grass. | 01:05 |
| sladen | thom: I don't know what to do about the PIV machines without EST, p4_clockmod is supposed to be deprecated | 01:05 |
| sivang | infinity: yay | 01:05 |
| thom | sladen: nod | 01:06 |
| sladen | thom: and I think the detection should be rewritten to check family/model/make and then fallback to the string to differentiate separate models | 01:07 |
| thom | sladen: right, seems reasonable; should we change to trying -smi soon and then the rewrite can be a bit more opportunistic | 01:09 |
| sladen | mjg59: some other distro (can't remember where I read the code), is writing a 'resume' line into the config during hibernate and only allow resume from that line | 01:10 |
| sladen | yup | 01:11 |
| sivang | infinity: are you like moving to a more countrysideish place? | 01:12 |
| sivang | (as opposed to urbanic and grey area) | 01:12 |
| thom | sladen: i can get that done now, then | 01:13 |
| Hwolf | sladen: Will we see usplash in hoary? | 01:16 |
| sladen | Hwolf: how long is a piece of string. | 01:18 |
| Hwolf | sladen: depends on how you cut it. | 01:19 |
| sladen | Hwolf: bingo | 01:19 |
| Hwolf | *snif* | 01:19 |
| sladen | Hwolf: at the very worst, you'll see it in an apt repositary you can apt-get | 01:20 |
| Hwolf | sladen: You're my newest hero then. | 01:21 |
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| sivang | Hwolf: so it your weekend not ruined completely? ;) | 01:24 |
| sivang | s/it/is/ | 01:24 |
| Hwolf | sivang: It is, but for other reasons | 01:24 |
| sivang | Hwolf: ah ok :-/ | 01:25 |
| Hwolf | I spent weeks and long hours writing a business plan for a company that just decided yesterday to move all engineering and production to china. I can start from scratch, and have 10 days to do it if I want to make sure I get a grade for it. | 01:25 |
| Hwolf | (studying business administration) | 01:25 |
| tseng | sivang: eh? | 01:27 |
| sivang | tseng: no more tomboy for me :( | 01:27 |
| tseng | sivang: oh | 01:28 |
| tseng | sivang: did you read the changelog? | 01:28 |
| infinity | sivang : No, moving from a city of 250 thousand to a city of 3.5 million. | 01:28 |
| tseng | sivang: im guessing you are trying to run `tomboy`, right? | 01:28 |
| infinity | sivang : Which, for me, is a "grass is greener" thing. :) | 01:28 |
| sivang | tseng: yes | 01:29 |
| sivang | infinity: hehe | 01:29 |
| tseng | sivang: well, two choices | 01:29 |
| sivang | tseng: didn't read the changlog, let's check | 01:29 |
| tseng | sivang: add the applet, or tomboy --tray-icon | 01:29 |
| mjg59 | sladen: Hrm. Any chance that you could find that? | 01:29 |
| sivang | tseng: I do apt-listchanges on it and nothing comes out | 01:30 |
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| sivang | tseng: ok, wow, it's now an applet? or just the command line changed? | 01:31 |
| tseng | both | 01:31 |
| tseng | theres still a tray icon with --tray-icon | 01:31 |
| sivang | yay! | 01:31 |
| sivang | tseng: it's coool | 01:31 |
| sivang | all my notes are there! thanks tseng | 01:32 |
| tseng | np | 01:32 |
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| daniels | T-Bone: try checking if mirnyy.u.c works for cdimage rsyncing | 01:34 |
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| T-Bone | daniels: same error message | 01:36 |
| T-Bone | i think i'll just dl the full ISO, it'll be as long as waiting for a rsync slot to open :P | 01:36 |
| Mitario | hi everyone | 01:37 |
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| Kamion | sivang: apt-listchanges --all | 01:42 |
| sivang | Kamion: k, thanks | 01:43 |
| sivang | Kamion: eh, the joys of the changlogs :) | 01:44 |
| tseng | ogra: ping | 01:47 |
| sladen | mjg59: I can't find it from casual googling with 'grub patch resume alternative' alikes. It was using two menu.lst's and mv'ing between them. I suppose you could extend the idea, set the password to 'yes' and require them to type 'yes' to do anything but boot the first option | 01:49 |
| Treenaks | mjg59: my laptop still cycles back into suspend on resume from suspend-to-RAM | 01:49 |
| mjg59 | Treenaks: We should have support for fixing that now | 01:51 |
| mjg59 | I don't know if thom has uploaded an acpi-support package that uses it, though | 01:51 |
| Treenaks | mjg59: how do I check? | 01:51 |
| thom | oh, to lock acpid? no, i've not done that yet | 01:52 |
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| mjg59 | thom: If you could, that would be great | 01:53 |
| mjg59 | That's really something that should be pushed upstream, too | 01:53 |
| thom | yeah, i intend to | 01:53 |
| thom | and yes, intend to do that also | 01:53 |
| sivang | hmm, lunch is calling, bbl | 02:01 |
| mjg59 | thom: Hm. Maybe we should only be doing the vbestate save on laptops. | 02:02 |
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| Mithrandir | Kamion: "MPE" = "My point exactly" | 02:06 |
| thom | sladen: -smi fallback in | 02:08 |
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| Kamion | Mithrandir: ah, right | 02:11 |
| Mithrandir | what's the magic invocation to show all the stuff one has installed from universe? | 02:13 |
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| thom | Mithrandir: http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/lscomponent ; run as lscomponent universe | 02:13 |
| thom | if it's buggy it's jdub's fault | 02:13 |
| === Mithrandir blames jdub preemptively | ||
| daniels | boo jdub | 02:14 |
| Mithrandir | it worked. | 02:15 |
| === Mithrandir stops blaming jdub | ||
| Mithrandir | (for now) | 02:15 |
| Kamion | mdz: current grub in unstable has fixes for ida/ataraid/cciss devices and added support for raid1; can I merge? | 02:21 |
| ogra | tseng : pong | 02:22 |
| ogra | mdz: pong | 02:22 |
| ogra | morning everybody | 02:22 |
| tseng | hi ogra | 02:23 |
| ogra | hi, whatsup ? | 02:23 |
| tseng | i still didnt get a chance to send my key to mark, so no upload | 02:23 |
| tseng | just noticed muine in hoary needs rebuild against libflac (again?) | 02:24 |
| Kamion | the key would go to James, wouldn't it? unless you were already told otherwise, in which case ignore me | 02:24 |
| tseng | yes, I was. | 02:24 |
| Kamion | ok | 02:24 |
| ogra | i thought that was already done....do you mean the mail on the -users list ? | 02:24 |
| tseng | it needs to be notarized, which is its not done | 02:25 |
| tseng | ogra: personal experience, i tired to install it, and it depended on libflac4. current is libflac6 | 02:25 |
| tseng | i dont see a recent -users mail with muine | 02:25 |
| ogra | ah, ok | 02:25 |
| ogra | subject: broken package | 02:26 |
| tseng | i have a cdbs question as well | 02:26 |
| ogra | very informative ;)O | 02:26 |
| tseng | this is a tricky one | 02:26 |
| tseng | muine 0.7.1 pre packages patch a file to install to /usr/share/dotnet | 02:26 |
| tseng | 0.8.1 has an option to the make install, ${exec_prefix} that looks like it will do this for us | 02:27 |
| daniels | so is /usr/share/dotnet actually the right path now? | 02:27 |
| tseng | yes | 02:27 |
| daniels | as opposed to /usr/lib/mono | 02:27 |
| daniels | because they were /u/s/d, then /u/l/m, and ah we're bored now, back to /u/s/d | 02:27 |
| daniels | not that I'm bitter | 02:27 |
| tseng | yes.. its meant to take into account other interpretations apperantly | 02:27 |
| tseng | such as pnet | 02:27 |
| tseng | or whatever else crack smoking vm comes along | 02:27 |
| [m0rph] | libsdl-sound1.2 also needs a rebuild for flac6 | 02:28 |
| tseng | but anyway, trying to find where cdbs actually calls make install | 02:28 |
| tseng | so i can pass in the var | 02:28 |
| tseng | best i see is: | 02:28 |
| tseng | include $(_cdbs_rules_path)/buildvars.mk$(_cdbs_makefile_suffix) | 02:28 |
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| daniels | /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/ | 02:29 |
| daniels | and either makefile.mk or autoconf.mk in there | 02:29 |
| daniels | or maybe it's autotools.mk | 02:29 |
| daniels | but they'll have a common-install-impl target | 02:29 |
| tseng | hm so i can overload that | 02:31 |
| tseng | or maybe setting DEB_MAKE_INSTALL_TARGET | 02:34 |
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| Kamion | tseng: notarised> oh yes, that was you | 02:35 |
| tseng | yeah =/ | 02:36 |
| tseng | monday i hope | 02:36 |
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| Kamion | I need to sit down with pencil and paper here, which is just silly | 02:36 |
| daniels | Kamion: d-i/casper/debconf? | 02:36 |
| Kamion | daniels: debconf/whiptail | 02:36 |
| daniels | Kamion: bongtasmic | 02:36 |
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| Kamion | cdebconf has it easy, it uses the newt library in-process | 02:37 |
| daniels | heh | 02:37 |
| Kamion | whereas debconf has to fork whiptail and then juggle desperately | 02:37 |
| infinity | Kamion : You could just give joeyh your requirements and a pot of coffee, and have it done in the morning. | 02:39 |
| infinity | Kamion : The man's a machine. | 02:39 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: wouldn't it be easier to have a libnewt-perl? | 02:40 |
| infinity | There is a libnewt-perl... | 02:40 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: there already is one; I'm assuming there was a reason for not using it, like it was hopelessly broken or something | 02:40 |
| infinity | The description claims it's "very useable". | 02:41 |
| Kamion | well I'm not going to totally upend debconf when I don't have to | 02:41 |
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| mjg59 | Hmm. The RTL8180 driver is now actually working for some people, impressively. | 03:08 |
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| sladen | Kamion: is there clean way to rename kernel-* or add a provides: to linux-* so that ex-Debian people don't keep finding the wrong packages | 04:23 |
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| lamont | sladen: the best answer is probably to drop the kernel-* packages (well, 2.6 that is..) | 05:03 |
| mako | mdz: still need help with array 4 announcement.. i worked offline yesterday.. jane knew.. not sure if she got the message to you | 05:10 |
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| lamont | speaking of MTA's... /me tries to remember which way we decided... drop postfix from base after modifying base to behave in the absence of an MTA? | 05:43 |
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| dholbach | hai | 06:15 |
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| sivang | hey dholbach | 06:18 |
| dholbach | hi sivang! :-) | 06:19 |
| wasabi | this evms stuff is unbelievable. | 06:24 |
| wasabi | i am tempted to make / a evms volume... | 06:24 |
| wasabi | wonder what the potential to do that automatically in ubuntu is. it kind of solves the drive order problem. | 06:24 |
| sivang | wasabi: it allows so many things...I was amazed to see it, and it has complete backward compatibility with lvms | 06:26 |
| sivang | wasabi: meaning you can leave your volumes as they were and evms would use them no prob | 06:26 |
| wasabi | yeah it seems that doing that is better | 06:26 |
| wasabi | using lvm as the disk linker | 06:26 |
| sivang | I am using everything bu /boot under lvms on the laptop, should switch to evms sometime | 06:27 |
| wasabi | I'm thinking that if hte Ubuntu initrd has evms support... then I should be able to pass root=/dev/evms/root to the kernel. | 06:27 |
| wasabi | does ubuntu's initrd support it? | 06:27 |
| wasabi | See, this solves my one big problem... I can't hot swap my sata drives, because they make linux reorder sda to sdb, etc... causing grub to not boot and fstab to be inaccurate. | 06:28 |
| sivang | I am using lvms on the lappi, and /boot is the only partiton not under lvm, so at least for lvm it has? | 06:28 |
| wasabi | seems so. | 06:28 |
| sivang | ah well, go ahead and test it on some non important data :) | 06:28 |
| wasabi | heh | 06:28 |
| Treenaks | sivang: no, you test with real important data | 06:30 |
| Treenaks | sivang: that way you can blame the developers | 06:30 |
| sivang | Treenaks: hehe, I always do, but I reckon wasabi has much more important data then I have on my syste :) | 06:30 |
| wasabi | sivang: to auto mount an evms vol, you just plug the evms path into fstab right? | 06:30 |
| wasabi | I have been moving 600GB of anime back and forth between hd's for two days, reformatting ubuntu, and setting up evms. | 06:31 |
| sivang | wasabi: I am not sure, just read a couple of bits about it , using lvm on the laptop, not evms. | 06:31 |
| wasabi | ahh. | 06:31 |
| wasabi | did you see evms? | 06:31 |
| wasabi | it's even better. ;0 | 06:31 |
| sivang | wasabi: I read about it sometime ago, after mdz noted to me it's apparent benefits. | 06:31 |
| sivang | wasabi: I think on my lvm entries in the fstab on the laptop, it as simple IIRC | 06:32 |
| wasabi | I'm seriously beginning to think that if Ubuntu set it up by default during an install, making / an evms vol, it would be Really Neat. | 06:32 |
| sivang | well, this is rather a drastic decision to do, only time would tell :) | 06:33 |
| sivang | (IMHO) | 06:33 |
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| mdz | mako: announcement went out, no problems | 08:29 |
| mdz | Kamion: sure | 08:29 |
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| sivang | seb128_: ping | 09:24 |
| seb128_ | sivang: pong ? | 09:26 |
| sivang | seb128_: hi :) just wanted to know, if I want to modifiy some of the gtk+ code, I need to open the tarballs under the gtk+2.0-2.6.2/upstream dir of the source pkg and work on them? how would I go about modifying this pkg? | 09:28 |
| dholbach | sivang: i guess you have to tar xfz it, modify it, make a patch, put that patch in debian/patches as 99_sivangs_special_something.patch :-) | 09:32 |
| seb128_ | right, that's it | 09:32 |
| sivang | seb128: ah ok, simple patch system ? (cdbs) | 09:33 |
| sivang | dholbach: thanks | 09:33 |
| dholbach | sivang: de rien :-) | 09:33 |
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| Burgundavia_ | Hello all | 09:35 |
| sivang | dholbach: merci beaucoup | 09:36 |
| dholbach | :-) | 09:37 |
| dholbach | sivang: we'll take french lessons together... maybe seb128 will volunteer for it ;-) | 09:37 |
| sivang | sure, and you should do germen lessons :) | 09:38 |
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| wasabi | Oye. The kernel instalsl break horribly when using EVMS | 09:55 |
| wasabi | Failed to create initrd image. | 09:56 |
| mdz | wasabi: -ENOTENOUGHINFO | 09:59 |
| wasabi | I'm looking at it trying to get info | 10:00 |
| wasabi | Okay... during postinst, it does some setting up stuff. Spits out a ton of errors related to LVM, and says two of my volumes have duplicate PV identifiers... which I suspose is true. | 10:01 |
| wasabi | One of my LVM disks is a md raid 1 disk. =) | 10:01 |
| wasabi | Comprised of two seperate physical disks. I suspect it's reading the PV id from each and getting confused. | 10:01 |
| wasabi | Would you like the output? | 10:02 |
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| wasabi | Guess i'll make a bug report. | 10:04 |
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| bluefoxicy | some people really can't boot from cd and need a floppy | 10:06 |
| bluefoxicy | any ideas? | 10:06 |
| bluefoxicy | i'm thinking you could put grub on a floppy image | 10:06 |
| bluefoxicy | with chainloader (cd)+1 | 10:06 |
| bluefoxicy | to boot from cd | 10:06 |
| azeem | bluefoxicy: that's not specific to Ubuntu though, is it? | 10:07 |
| bluefoxicy | azeem: this can't get woody or sarge installed, and can't even try ubuntu because the machine is 10 years old and doesn't do boot from cd in the bios | 10:07 |
| azeem | you can install sarge via floppies | 10:09 |
| bluefoxicy | azeem: but I think the grub idea is a good one, since it'd be more of a generic boot-from-cd disk, which means the problem only has to be solved once. Then again, is there anything like that? | 10:09 |
| bluefoxicy | azeem: he has a boot disk but sarge won't work there either | 10:10 |
| bluefoxicy | it broke | 10:10 |
| azeem | what makes you think Ubuntu would work then? | 10:10 |
| bluefoxicy | he's tried woody and sarge, but can't try ubuntu, because it can't be installed, because there's no boot from CD | 10:10 |
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| bluefoxicy | nothing else's worked | 10:11 |
| bluefoxicy | so why not :P | 10:11 |
| bluefoxicy | anyway | 10:11 |
| bluefoxicy | this is irrelavent | 10:11 |
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| sivang | dholbach: ok, but that's after I know my patch is good and working, how do I test build change by change? | 10:25 |
| sivang | dholbach: like chanign a source tree before diffing with the orig to make the patch | 10:26 |
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| dholbach | sivang: what do you want to do? check if the build works before you try to patch? | 10:29 |
| sivang | dholbach: yes, like change the package inline, without having to make a patch for every single attempt I make | 10:30 |
| dholbach | erm... cant you remove the according patch from debian/patches? | 10:31 |
| sivang | dholbach: what do you mean? | 10:32 |
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| dholbach | oh... now i see what you mean merging the diffs is a bit of a pain | 10:33 |
| sivang | dholbach: yes, everytime I change some small bits :-) | 10:34 |
| dholbach | you'll have to find a clever way of applying-and-removing-while-preparing-a-new-diff | 10:35 |
| sivang | dholbach: I wish this package would use dpatch :) | 10:35 |
| dholbach | since i never used dbs , before, i'm not sure, if there's a cool tool | 10:35 |
| sivang | dholbach: it's way cool to do stuff that way | 10:35 |
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| azeem | (you can use cdbs together with dpatch) | 10:38 |
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| sivang | dholbach: I just want an easy way to make modification, without _having_ to do them as patched everytime :) like, work on the source pkg, debuild from the same dir several time , when I reach the my desried results, then make diffs against the orig and create patches. | 10:39 |
| sivang | azeem: I can imagine, however, this specific package doesn | 10:40 |
| sivang | azeem: use dpatch, I suspect it uses the simple patch system. | 10:40 |
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| sivang | seb128: how do you apply all the patches in their order to get a sourcetree to do more work on when working on this package? | 10:43 |
| seb128 | start the build and ctrl-C ? :p | 10:44 |
| robertj | I'm trying to test some changes I made to a package but the config script bombs when testing it by doing sh passwd.config reconfigure, is there a better way to test it? | 10:46 |
| sivang | seb128: I thought there must be a way to do that more, hrm, elegantly ? :) | 10:47 |
| sivang | err, my upgrade is stuck :-( | 10:51 |
| sivang | does anybody know if setting up linux-kernel on lvm volumes should take, like, forever, on an inspiron machine ? | 10:52 |
| sivang | ehh it's just continued..phew, that was a close one | 10:52 |
| seb128 | sivang: perhaps, but I'm not working on the computer atm and I don't want to search | 10:52 |
| jdub | yo seb128 | 10:52 |
| jdub | seb128: "ugh" to the industrial cursors/stock stuff | 10:53 |
| sivang | seb128: ok | 10:54 |
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| robertj | hey jdub, do you have any hints on how to test the config portion of a package? | 10:56 |
| robertj | I just get a bunch of debconf complaining about missing templates and the like | 10:56 |
| jdub | not i, check the debian documentation | 10:56 |
| Treenaks | why would logging out & back in fix themeing in firefox? | 11:01 |
| dholbach | brb | 11:07 |
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| lamont | ../mantools/postlink: line 715: 24692 Segmentation fault perl -e ' | 11:07 |
| lamont | bad perl | 11:07 |
| sivang | ooouch | 11:08 |
| lamont | well, it is 55988 bytes of file that says 'perl -e' | 11:09 |
| sivang | buffer size exceeded? | 11:12 |
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| dholbach | unmounting my vfat-partition crashes my box... completely | 11:13 |
| dholbach | and i thought it was a gparted-bug... | 11:14 |
| YokoZar | When is Hoary universe going to get frozen? | 11:14 |
| jdub | it's in upstream version freeze | 11:15 |
| jdub | but we are more open to universe updates | 11:15 |
| dholbach | jdub: this reminds me of g*mm *whistle silently* | 11:16 |
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| seb128 | jdub: evening, yep ... | 11:21 |
| bluefoxicy | .rhythmbox[10107] : segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 0000000000000000 rsp 0000007fbfffeb18 error 14 | 11:21 |
| bluefoxicy | so much for ogg vorbis | 11:21 |
| bluefoxicy | actually no, other oggs play o.o | 11:21 |
| bluefoxicy | does anyone want this file? | 11:22 |
| bluefoxicy | it's reproducibly killing rhythmbox on hoary as of 5 hours ago | 11:22 |
| bluefoxicy | on standard ubuntu kernels (amd64-k8) | 11:22 |
| dholbach | bluefoxicy: you could talk to the guys at irc://irc.gnome.org/rhythmbox about it | 11:23 |
| bluefoxicy | sure, though they might not be able to reproduce it (everything kills rhythmbox on gentoo, and they can't reproduce that, the gstreamer guys say it's gentoo's fault) | 11:24 |
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| netdur | firefox (1.0 hoary) doesn't apear to render unicode well! I have the same site shown in both browsers (firefox 1.0 and mozilla 1.8, both character set to uft-8) while mozilla show it well, firefox doesn't, anyway, I'm not firefox (not stable enough) user so I don't need help, this is just to inform you!!! | 11:44 |
| sivang | sladen: yay! cpu scaling works again :) | 11:48 |
| sladen | sivang: btw, can you remind me the specs of your machine; was it /not/ working because of a duff ACPI DSDT | 11:49 |
| sivang | sladen: DSDT? duff? :) | 11:51 |
| sivang | sladen: basically, dell inspiron 8200, 256MB ram, Brookdale 82845 chipset | 11:53 |
| sivang | sladen: anything else? | 11:53 |
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| lamont | hrmpf. page ranking fell to #3 | 11:53 |
| sladen | sivang: what's the CPU? | 11:53 |
| sladen | lamont: Google? | 11:53 |
| sivang | sladen: pentium mobile, pre centrino technology | 11:53 |
| lamont | yeah - basketball and college football player beat me out | 11:53 |
| sivang | sladen: the one that eats the hell out of you batter | 11:53 |
| lamont | I need to have mako mention me in traffic a again | 11:54 |
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