[12:03] <mdz> Kamion: do you have an announcement prepared already?
[12:03] <Kamion> not even a little bit
[12:03] <mdz> thom says ETA: 30 minutes
[12:03] <mdz> mako: ping,, re: array 4 announcement
[12:04] <Kamion> I'm starting one now
[12:04] <Kamion> um ... I was just going to do it based on the array 3 announcement, I think that's worked pretty well so far
[12:04] <mdz> ok
[12:04] <mdz> was looking for a copy
[12:04] <mdz> you send these to where, -devel and -users?
[12:05] <Kamion> yeah
[12:05] <Kamion> I always need to go through the installer changes I've made in order to write the release notes anyway
[12:08] <Kamion> haha, bonus, due to the lazy way I wrote the end of publish-release, all I needed to do was 'publish-release daily 20050204.2 install no array-4; publish-release daily-live 20050204.2 live no array-4'
[12:08] <mdz> the only interesting user-visible casper change is that it doesn't cause init to emit scary messages anymore
[12:08] <sivang> hrm I'm tired, night everyone!
[12:08] <Kamion> mdz: ok, thanks
[12:08] <Kamion> that's since array 3.5 live right?
[12:08] <mdz> yes
[12:09] <jbailey> Kamion: Does the installer have tac and tsort available to it when it's running hotplug, or are you just in busybox land at that point?
[12:11] <mdz> jbailey: busybox
[12:12] <ajmitch> hello
[12:12] <bluefoxicy> mdz:  how are users expected to upgrade ubuntu when a new version is out
[12:12] <Kamion> mdz: and the localisation fix
[12:13] <jbailey> mdz: Thanks.  Time to conjure some awk magic, I guess =)
[12:13] <mdz> Kamion: oh, good call
[12:13] <Kamion> jbailey: neither appears to be in busybox
[12:13] <bluefoxicy> mdz:  all the answers I can think of involving altering a setting to point at a new source, whether using synaptec's package manager or editing some files
[12:13] <jbailey> Kamion: No, they're definetly not.
[12:13] <jbailey> Thanks, though.
[12:14] <Kamion> mdz: (have you confirmed it to work, actually?)
[12:14] <mdz> Kamion: let me do a quick test
[12:15] <mdz> someone did confirm it at the time, sivang I think
[12:17] <robertj> mdz: ok I have a /shadow-working and a /shadow-prestine, what args do I need to force feed patch to get the output you need?
[12:17] <mdz> robertj: diff -ruN
[12:20] <mdz> Kamion: confirmed, it works
[12:22] <robertj> mdz: note to self: doh!
[12:22] <robertj> note to self: set a root password
[12:22] <robertj> brb
[12:22] <robertj> actually I wont be, im gonna fix this and then be off to dinner
[12:24] <Kamion> mdz: where was 3.5 announced?
[12:24] <Kamion> mdz: oh, never mind, found it
[12:24] <mdz> 3.5 went to -announce because it was the first live CD milestone EVAR
[12:25] <mdz> do you think we should do broader announcements of any Arrays, or not until Preview?
[12:25] <jbailey> Mm.. no awk in the busybox udeb.
[12:26] <mdz> what's the required task?
[12:27] <Kamion> mdz: not until preview, I feel
[12:28] <Kamion> I think the announcements to -users and -devel have served the intended purpose of Sounders and Arrays pretty well up to now; they've had a substantial amount of interest and testing, but not volumes that we can't cope with during development
[12:28] <Kamion> mdz: could you glance over http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/array-4-announce?
[12:30] <Kamion> jbailey: sed, tr, and 'while read ...; do' tend to be enough for most things IME ...
[12:30] <Kamion> most awkish things, that is
[12:30] <Kamion> plus good use of ${var#...}, ${var%...}, etc. :-)
[12:37] <srbaker> whoa
[12:37] <srbaker> 123 upgraded packages.
[12:41] <elmo> gar, I so wish apt had rate limiting
[12:41] <jbailey> Kamion: I need to do an ordered sort with some guarantees put on it.  Like the pci hotplug run has to happen before the IDE one.  I can probably do a series of ugly pipes with grep -v to just extract them and force them to the end, though.
[12:41] <mdz> Kamion: glancing
[12:42] <mdz> Kamion: I think elmo might object to:
[12:42] <mdz> I recommend rsync if possible, as you can then download future images
[12:42] <mdz> based on this one to save bandwidth.
[12:42] <Kamion> hm? that's been in the sounder/array announcements since sounder 6 or so
[12:42] <mdz> I think we ought to change it
[12:43] <Kamion> oh, but the rsync limits, blah
[12:43] <mdz> only users who download ISOs regularly should use rsync
[12:43] <mdz> and they certainly don't need to use rsync the first time, in order to be able to rsync later images
[12:43] <Kamion> true enough
[12:43] <Kamion> just delete that paragraph then?
[12:43] <mdz> that sentence and the rsync:// URL, I'd say
[12:44] <Kamion> I do think the rsync:// URL should stay; it is not obvious how to construct it from the http:// URL
[12:45] <Kamion> at least I assume that it's not obvious because everybody seems to have to ask about it when we don't mention it explicitly
[12:45] <mdz> isn't it on the Archive page in the wiki?
[12:45] <mdz> I think "here are http and torrent URLs; for other stuff look at this page" is fine
[12:45] <Kamion> dude, I'm nearly convinced *you* asked about it :)
[12:46] <Kamion> hm, Archive is actually wrong, correcting
[12:47] <thom> right, so we need to sync to torrent.u.c and then i'll kick
[12:47] <mdz> we're nearly there
[12:47] <elmo> ARE WE THERE YET??
[12:49] <thom> #ubuntu-devel, featuring James Troup as ADD boy
[12:49] <Kamion> ok, removed the rsync: line with reservations
[12:49] <lifeless> someone put that in the topic, puhlease
[12:49] <thom> lifeless: go for it ;-)
[12:50] <Kamion> creating .torrent files, then I'll sync
[12:50] <lifeless> # | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals 
[12:50] <lifeless> bah
[12:50] <thom> lifeless: um ;-)
[12:50] <lifeless> silly copy n paste
[12:51] <thom> hurrah for tab completion
[12:52] <mdz> Kamion: thanks
[12:53] <lifeless> oh thats nice, I did not know that.
[12:53] <thom> lifeless: irssi > *
[12:53] <mdz> Kamion: we'll revisit the rsync thing when we have more server-guts to throw at the problem
[12:53] <lifeless> yah, irssi is love
[12:53] <mdz> at this point, fewer people finding the rsync url is a feature :-/
[12:54] <Kamion> mirrors syncing now
[12:54] <thully> hi - I have a question - when the X bug was causing problems, did this effect dist-upgraders or just people installing/using live CD snapshots?
[12:55] <Kamion> both as far as I know; it was a cat-induced typo in the postinst
[12:56] <elmo> we dropped mozilla-locale-* ?
[12:56] <mdz> we did?
[12:57] <thom> elmo: they were only seeded by the language packs
[12:57] <thom> s/seeded/depended on/
[12:57] <elmo> mdz: anastacia wants to remove a whole bunch
[12:57] <mdz> ah, pitti removed the deps
[12:57] <mdz> elmo: feel free to add them to supported, we want to keep them
[12:57] <mdz> in fact I think they were there, and were removed because they were added to the language packs
[12:57] <Kamion> score
[12:59] <elmo> mdz: okay, what about {i,w}{danish,dutch} ? they're built by source packages that got promoted for building aspell i18n dicts.. do we want the {i,w} variants too?
[12:59] <Kamion> I really must automate that HEADER.html thing, doing it by hand each time is no fun
[12:59] <elmo> re-seeding mozilla-locale for ca, cy, da, el, es-es, it, no-nb, pl, ptbr and sl 
[01:00] <Kamion> and .htaccess, come to that
[01:00] <mdz> elmo: if ispell is in main, and the source packages are in main for other reasons, yeah, why not
[01:02] <Kamion> mdz: should I put "(Install and Live)" or something in the subject line?
[01:02] <Kamion> I like the pun anyway :)
[01:02] <Kamion> INSTALL OR DIE
[01:03] <mdz> Kamion: sure
[01:03] <mdz> Kamion: "installation and live editions"?
[01:03] <elmo> mdz: hmm, ispell is in main but we don't seem to have {m,}any other i18n dicts for it
[01:03] <Kamion> bah, how boring
[01:03] <Kamion> ok, done
[01:03] <Kamion> ARE WE NEARLY THERE YET, mirrors
[01:04] <mdz> live stuff is still appearing on cdimage.u.c
[01:04] <mdz> is the torrent mirror up to date?
[01:07] <elmo> thom's working on it
[01:08] <elmo> mirnyy's only up to ia64
[01:13] <elmo> powerpc...
[01:13] <thom> orcadas is syncing now
[01:13] <Kamion> orcadas? new torrent?
[01:13] <thom> yeah
[01:14] <Kamion> ok, since I want to get to bed, if you don't mind I'll send the announce as soon as mirnyy's complete; mail delays should take care of the rest anyway
[01:14] <thom> fine from where i'm sat
[01:15] <Kamion> ah, there it goes
[01:16] <elmo> mirnyy's done
[01:16] <Kamion> sent, night all
[01:16] <thom> orcadas is at ia64
[01:16] <thom> night duder
[01:22] <mdz> tseng: use the torrent and benefit from the massis
[01:22] <mdz> masses
[01:22] <tseng> heh, good call
[01:23] <tseng> i just used gnome-bt on array-3.5 and it rocks
[01:23] <mdz> it's installed by default now
[01:30] <jdub> Kamion: night, rock :)
[01:30] <thom> torrents should be kicking ass and taking names
[01:32] <mdz> seeding {install,live}-i386
[01:38] <thom> aww, the ia64 live cd doesn't have any peers
[01:38] <mdz> it also doesn't work, I don't think
[01:39] <thom> really? i should grab a copy and try it next week
[01:39] <thom> but now, i should go to sleep
[01:39] <thom> or at least leave my computer
[01:40] <thom> g'night
[01:40] <mdz> night, thanks
[01:41] <thom> no problem
[01:47] <lamont> mdz: ia64 livecd won't work until it's built with -14 kernel, I believe
[01:49] <lamont> nope.  -14 still lacks the needed ia64 changes.
[01:49] <lamont> those will be in -15, I believe - fabbione had them in his tree
[02:28] <mdz> lamont: is mplayer all happy now?
[02:29] <elmo> when his last 3 uploads push through, it should be
[02:29] <elmo> I asked him to do the ffmpeg stuff we discussed
[02:29] <mdz> yeah, I saw the uploads and that prompted the question
[02:30] <mdz> the array 4 announcement seems to have gone over quietly
[02:31] <jdub> mdz: can fix.
[02:35] <elmo> uh
[02:36] <elmo> 	dpkg-distaddfile gpgv-udeb_$(VERSION)_$(DEB_HOST_ARCH).udeb debian-installer extra
[02:36] <elmo> how can that possible be right?
[02:41] <mdz> looks reasonable to me?
[02:41] <elmo> mdz: not so much if you're cross building
[02:42] <mdz> ah, ok
[02:42] <lamont> elmo: like that actually works...
[02:42] <lamont> mdz: no clue if it's happy yet, but elmo tells me it should be...
[02:43] <mdz> daniels: so, array 4 is done
[02:43] <mdz> daniels: feel free to break xorg
[02:43] <mdz> daniels: can we do something about my KVM regression?
[02:48] <mdz> daniels: it seems that if we can't probe, and so go to the trouble of asking the user which modes they want, we should give them what they ask for
[02:49] <daniels> mdz: yes, that's already fixed locally
[02:49] <daniels> (i fixed it about 10min after you first tlold me about it)
[02:50] <mdz> daniels: oh, great
[02:50] <mdz> so that'll be in ubuntu16
[02:50] <daniels> yes
[02:52] <mdz> which will also eliminate the need for XORG_FORCE_PROBE=yes
[02:52] <mdz> and is free of live CD regressions in your test
[03:00] <daniels> mdz	afaict, yes
[03:00] <mdz> let me know if you want to send some debs my way to test
[03:00] <daniels> mdz: (X_F_P can be unset or yes for the same effect; no to disable it)
[03:00] <daniels> sure.  might throw up some source packages later, but for some reason my local build is screwed with strip (it just point-blank refuses to strip them), so all my debs are hoooooge.
[03:01] <mdz> DEB_BUILD_OPTS=nostrip lingering somewhere?
[03:12] <daniels> mdz: nope, strip gets called, but bails out
[03:13] <daniels> strip: unable to copy file 'debian/xserver-xorg/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/palmax_drv.o' reason: Permission denied
[03:13] <daniels> ad infinitum
[03:13] <daniels> umask doesn't seem to be a problem, not sure of what's up
[03:16] <wasabi> Remember earlier when I asked about the cyclic build dependencies being acceptable? I am working on going over Debian's Java stuff and cleaning it up... seems there are lots of these.
[03:16] <wasabi> XML libraries requiring utilities requriing XML libraries, and onward.
[03:16] <wasabi> Should I even try to sort this out? Or is it acceptable?
[03:24] <mdz> jdub: still here?
[03:25] <mdz> wasabi: if it is possible to build the packages without the cyclic dependencies, then yes, that is preferable
[03:25] <mdz> wasabi: these cases need to be handled manually when we bootstrap a new architecture, which is labour-intensive
[03:26] <wasabi> yeah.
[03:26] <wasabi> Well, it being Java might not make that that important.
[03:26] <wasabi> It's arch all
[03:27] <mdz> lamont,jdub: I'm ready to make the ubuntu-live metapackage, but the current contents of the live seed are sort of random
[03:27] <mdz> we should have some guidelines/rationale/sanity before we start to use it
[03:31] <jba> hey gang
[03:33] <lamont> mdz: does ubuntu-live Depend: ubuntu-desktop, I wonder?
[03:33] <lamont> in any case, you say when, and I'll switch the script over
[03:33] <jba> lamont, i was thinking of installing tomboy from ubuntu apt servers, but my mono prefix is /user/local
[03:34] <jba> should i just install it from source ?
[03:34] <lamont> "my mono prefix" == something you did, or does our mono package have things broken?
[03:34] <lamont> hoary has mono 1.0.5, or should
[03:34] <tseng> jba: er, why?
[03:34] <tseng> install tomboy + mono all from hoary
[03:35] <jba> lamont, something i did
[03:35] <jba> i install mono form source cause I hack on mono sources
[03:36] <jba> lamont, i would be using mono/gtk#/gecko# and so on from svn as of two days ago
[03:36] <tseng> sounds like you are on your own, dude
[03:36] <jba> tseng, I'm actually a mono hacker (working on MWF at the moment), that's why
[03:36] <lamont> then either tomboy from source, or point it at /usr/local after you install, I guess
[03:36] <jba> cool
[03:36] <jba> just thought I'd ask
[03:36] <jba> I'm not adverse to installing from source, but was wondering if you wanted me to test the installation
[03:37] <jba> sorry dude (lamont), I thought you were packaging mono stuff, must have been tseng instead
[03:37] <tseng> not jumping to support non-standard installs from svn, no
[03:37] <lamont> jba: I just build the stuff
[03:37] <jba> i wasn't asking for support guys
[03:37] <jba> just wanted the lowdown on how it's installed
[03:37] <tseng> well install whatever works, your own your own
[03:38] <jba> I'll give it a whirl from apt, and let you know how it goes ?
[03:38] <tseng> is how i mean.
[03:38] <jba> tseng, I know that, I'm cool with it
[03:38] <jba> just thought maybe you wouldn't mind some testers
[03:39] <jba> apologies for coming off as someone asking for suppot
[03:39] <jba> catch ya round later
[03:40] <tseng> odd.
[03:52] <tseng> battlstar, bbl
[04:00] <mdz> lamont: no, ubuntu-live will not depend on ubuntu-desktop
[04:01] <mdz> dependencies between the metapackages get ugly
[04:08] <lamont> mdz: ok
[04:10] <thully> hi - I was trying to rsync an iso to array 4, and I wondered - where do I see how much has to be downloaded in order to rsync?
[04:16] <zul> hey
[05:00] <robertj> hey all, Im bumbling around trying to create a diff of the stuff that has changed from the apt-src package, but it's picking up all the new stuff in the debian directory
[05:00] <robertj> is their an equivalent of a dpkg-buildpackage mrclean or something?
[05:05] <lamont> robertj: "fakeroot debian/rules clean"
[05:05] <robertj> ahh
[05:09] <zul> lamont: what are you still doing up?
[05:29] <lamont> zul: about to go to bed, truth be told
[05:30] <zul> lamont, what time is it there?
[05:30] <lamont> 2131
[05:31] <zul> thats not too bad..
[05:31] <zul> 2331 here
[05:38] <tseng> daniels: ping
[05:39] <daniels> pong
[05:39] <tseng> i just did a clean install of hoary, i have a ~/.Xresources with settings for rxvt
[05:39] <tseng> any ideas why its not seeming to be picked up?
[05:39] <tseng> did xrdb -all .Xresources even
[05:41] <daniels> try .Xdefaults instead; other than that I'm not sure, sorry
[05:42] <tseng> yeah i copied it there also.
[05:42] <tseng> stupid thing
[05:42] <crimsun> tseng: err, xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources ?
[05:42] <tseng> crimsun: still nothing
[05:42] <wasabi> What would I use in cdbs to do something before the build starts?
[05:43] <crimsun> this is "true" rxvt, correct?
[05:43] <tseng> no, rxvt-unicode
[05:43] <tseng> this was working until i reinstalled
[05:43] <crimsun> I presume you use URxvt* ?
[05:43] <robertj> what params do you need to reapply a diff created with ruN
[05:43] <tseng> crimsun: yes.
[05:44] <tseng> robertj: patch -p1 < ~/diff
[05:44] <tseng> robertj: or so
[05:44] <crimsun> hmm, puzzling.
[05:51] <robertj> hrmm, how can I test the configure script?
[05:51] <tseng> actually its kind of working, just not the font
[05:52] <robertj> the closest I managed to get was to coerce a message that it was already configured
[06:04] <ajmitch> ogra: around?
[06:04] <crimsun> (probably still asleep)
[06:04] <ajmitch> nah, he's only 40min idle
[06:05] <ajmitch> although he was disconnected then..
[06:06] <crimsun> timed out, yeah
[06:50] <wasabi_> i wonder if having EVMS set up by default removes the need for the md startup scripts
[07:18] <zenrox> whos the nivida god in here
[07:29] <fabbione> mdz, Kamion: andrew morton acknoledge the patch :-)
[07:44] <mdz> wasabi_: nearly so, yes
[07:45] <mdz> fabbione: cool
[07:56] <dilinger> which patch is that?
[07:58] <fabbione> dilinger: noexec=
[07:58] <fabbione> mdz: did you read the other mail about grub?
[07:58] <fabbione> (btw Robert released another inotify patch yesterday with our fixes and it should fix our critical bug)
[07:58] <fabbione> i will test it on monday :-)
[08:11] <fabbione> hmmm
[08:11] <fabbione> what do we use to burn dvd's?
[08:14] <crimsun> dvd+rw-tools+nautilus-cd-burner?
[08:14] <fabbione> crimsun: without natilus?
[08:14] <fabbione> dvd+rw-tools are ok to format/clean but they can't burn
[08:14] <fabbione> and cdrecord needs the "PRo" version
[08:16] <crimsun> that's a good question. Unfortunately I don't know.
[08:16] <fabbione> dvdrtools - DVD writing program
[08:17] <crimsun> ah, in multiverse?
[08:17] <crimsun> sorry, I presumed you meant something in main
[08:18] <fabbione> eheh no problem :-)
[08:41] <fabbione> crimsun: how do you blank dvds?
[08:42] <fabbione> apparently dvd+rw-format doesn't do it properly...
[08:42] <crimsun> fabbione: (no dvd drive here)
[08:42] <fabbione> ah ok
[09:28] <mdz> fabbione: yes, I did read the mail, but I'm not sure how to implement the fix
[09:28] <mdz> fabbione: I use dvd+rw-tools to burn, all the time
[09:29] <fabbione> mdz: what command do you use?
[09:29] <mdz> growisofs, the program with the completely uninformative name
[09:29] <fabbione> ok
[09:29] <fabbione> thanks
[09:29] <mdz> growisofs -Z /dev/scd0=hoary-live-i386.iso
[09:29] <mdz> is my finger macro
[09:29] <mdz> you can also burn DVDs with dd :-)
[09:29] <fabbione> i am having some weird problems and i am trynig to figure out if it is a media problem or not
[09:29] <mdz> what kind of media?
[09:30] <fabbione> "budget" dvd-r
[09:30] <fabbione> the same iso can be burned without any problems on dvd+rw
[09:30] <fabbione> but whatver i use i cannot burn it on the dvd-
[09:30] <fabbione> the strange thing is that the rw reports even less space than the dvd-
[09:31] <fabbione> it always fails at the end
[09:31] <fabbione> not being able to close the disc (on windows)
[09:31] <fabbione> and it doesn't even start in linux
[09:31] <mdz> I use dvd+rw exclusively
[09:31] <fabbione> (indipendently from the media)
[09:31] <mdz> so I don't know much about other media
[09:31] <mdz> but I have had no problems with +rw
[09:31] <fabbione> ok
[09:31] <fabbione> neither do i, but i cannot store everything on +rw :-)
[09:32] <fabbione> not after i got 600 DVD's -r :-)
[09:32] <mdz> that is a lot of DVD
[09:32] <fabbione> i know :-)
[09:33] <fabbione> somebody was kind enough to give them as present for the wedding
[09:34] <mdz> only 7 days to go :-)
[09:34] <fabbione> 7 days, 6 hours and 35 minutes
[09:34] <fabbione> don't try to steal my (still) FREE TIME!
[09:34] <fabbione> :P
[09:37] <fabbione> mdz: to clean the dvd do you use dvd+rw-format?
[09:44] <mdz> I have never had to do that
[09:44] <fabbione> so you never reuse a dvd?
[09:44] <mdz> of course I do
[09:44] <mdz> I just growisofs over it again
[09:44] <fabbione> or growisofs does it for you?
[09:44] <mdz> there is no need to explicitly erase
[09:44] <fabbione> cool
[09:44] <mdz> you just rewrite
[09:44] <fabbione> i am kinda "new" to dvd mastering
[09:44] <fabbione> ok
[09:45] <mdz> DVD+RW is so much nicer than CD-RW
[09:45] <mdz> very simple
[09:45] <fabbione> i get that ;)
[09:46] <smurfix> I still need to get a DVD burner for the server -- the thing is busy enough, backup over the network would be deadly
[09:46] <fabbione> smurfix: i have a LITE-ON.. cheap and nice
[09:47] <smurfix> mdz: new initrd image for the key selector available
[09:48] <smurfix> I'm off for a week of {supervising the kids while they do some,} skiing now, but I'll take the cellphone and the laptop
[09:50] <mdz> smurfix: you don't think we should put it into hoary yet?
[09:51] <smurfix> mdz: Need a Python bugfix for that, and d-i doesn't yet know how to build the file.
[09:52] <smurfix> I'll do that work over the next few days.
[09:56] <smurfix> mdz: The Python fix is already in CVS, and the next release will be soon; if not I'll do an interim bugfix update.
[10:00] <mdz> ok
[10:00] <mdz> enjoy your holiday
[10:01] <mdz> ogra: ping?
[10:01] <smurfix> mdz: I will, assuming I won't freeze my ass off :-/
[10:26] <dholbach> good morning
[10:28] <sivang> dholbach: morning
[10:29] <dholbach> hi sivang
[10:29] <sivang> dholbach: what's up?
[10:31] <dholbach> sivang: got to do some shopping and some learning afterwards :-)
[10:31] <sivang> dholbach: when is your test?
[10:31] <dholbach> sivang: what are you up to, today?
[10:32] <dholbach> monday
[10:32] <sivang> oohh
[10:32] <dholbach> last exam :-)
[10:32] <sivang> :-)
[10:32] <dholbach> couldnt sleep last night, so i packaged gparted
[10:33] <sivang> dholbach: hehe, nice going for someone who can't sleep :)
[10:33] <dholbach> it really looks nice, but i discovered a SERIOUS bug
[10:33] <dholbach> unmounting a vfat partition caused the box to die
[10:33] <dholbach> so i put this in a kind of "experimental" repo :-)
[10:34] <dholbach> 0.0.9 (next release) should be better :-)
[10:34] <sivang> Ah I see, well, do you have any idea why tomboy won't start ? (sheesh all my notes..)
[10:34] <dholbach> on amd64 there is no mono atm :-/
[10:35] <dholbach> so i couldnt test... but does it say anything, if you start it from console?
[10:35] <sivang> no
[10:35] <sivang> :((
[10:35] <dholbach> strace ?
[10:35] <sivang> and tseng is 3 hours into away ..
[10:35] <sivang> lemme check
[10:35] <dholbach> does it look for a file it can't find?
[10:35] <sivang> clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME, {1107596150, 55674000}) = 0
[10:35] <sivang> futex(0xb70504cc, FUTEX_WAIT, 126, {0, 99326000}
[10:36] <sivang> seems like it's stuck somewhere...
[10:36] <sivang> doesn't go out of this
[10:36] <dholbach> nothing funny before?
[10:37] <sivang> no, everything was working just fine, and I was using tseng's repo's before, oh wel..
[10:37] <dholbach> imean in strace
[10:38] <dholbach> <- shower
[10:39] <sivang> I'll check and let you know
[10:39] <sivang> mvo_: morning
[10:39] <mvo_> hi sivang 
[10:39] <mvo_> hi all
[10:41] <Kamion> fabbione: I saw the grub mail even if mdz didn't. working on it now(ish)
[10:47] <fabbione> Kamion: cool, i am talking with Anderw Morton that is asking why we are having this problem and pushing for the noexec fix for 2.6.11
[10:47] <fabbione> they scheduled for 2.6.12 but that was not clear from the first emails
[10:47] <sivang> seb128: any idea why my theme changed completely after last night's upgrade? ;-)
[10:47] <sivang> seb128: and the mousr cursoe became plain old X's insteaf of the gnome one? 
[10:48] <fabbione> Kamion: i think anyway that grub is not the only that needs to be fixed
[10:49] <seb128> sivang: what theme are you using ?
[10:49] <Kamion> fabbione: there are extraordinarily few applications that this affects; if grub isn't the only one, it's almost certainly the only one we care about
[10:49] <fabbione> roger :-)
[10:49] <Kamion> fabbione: and reading ak's mail I understand the problem and it makes sense for it to be fixed in grub, imho
[10:49] <sivang> seb128: I had a customized one...
[10:49] <sivang> seb128: can't recall
[10:50] <seb128> sivang: so no way to help you
[10:50] <sivang> seb128: ok, I'm searching...btw, I see now that I can really page through the available themes in the them manager window, do you have the same problem?
[10:51] <seb128> "can really page through"
[10:51] <seb128> ?
[10:51] <sivang> no matter if I try scrolling using the kbd or mouse, it goes back to the first theme
[10:51] <seb128> oh, yeah, known issue
[10:51] <sivang> there
[10:51] <sivang> 's a bug number already and an assumtpion what causes this?
[10:52] <seb128> I think that's fixed in the CVS with all the patches commited this week
[10:52] <seb128> let me know if that still happen next week with the new release
[10:53] <sivang> ok, I made the changes back,
[10:53] <sivang> for some reason the "custom" theme was still there,
[10:53] <sivang> but contained no info probably as it was plain white without borders etc..
[10:54] <sivang> I am using Glider as my Controls theme, and metabox for the windows
[10:54] <seb128> I think industrial is broken
[10:54] <seb128> k
[10:54] <sivang> industrial seems working here ;-)
[10:55] <seb128> you said that your mouse cursor is the standard one and now you say that's working fine
[10:55] <seb128> is that working or not ?
[10:55] <sivang> seb128: err, yes, *BESIDES* the mouse cursor :) Detail, details...
[10:58] <syn-ack> Im thinking I may need to submit another bug report Rhythmbox.
[10:58] <seb128> feel free :)
[10:59] <syn-ack> Its crashing when one tried to load a /dir with multiple directories in it.
[10:59] <blixtra> Hi all, For a bug in a universe package, do I submit to ubuntu or debian?
[11:00] <syn-ack> to its maintainer.
[11:01] <blixtra> the debain mantainer I assume, since it's in universe.
[11:01] <sivang> mvo_: how did the pristine got corrupted? ;-)
[11:01] <syn-ack> hrm
[11:02] <mvo_> sivang: I don't care if they are it should just rebuild it
[11:03] <Kamion> ooh, grub-install worked
[11:12] <fabbione> Kamion: cool... i need to leave now.. going to test ubuntu sparc on a TELCO datacenter
[11:12] <fabbione> bbl
[11:20] <mdz> Kamion: nice
[11:30] <sivang> morning pitti 
[11:55] <spiral> hi
[11:55] <spiral> Any new about smart batteries support ?
[11:59] <pitti> Hi sivang 
[12:07] <mjg59> spiral: I've seen no progress on the kernel driver, I'm afraid
[12:08] <spiral> mjg59: saki told me that this worked on his computer, when he rebuild the kernel
[12:11] <mjg59> spiral: Yes. That's not much use to us, though
[12:12] <mjg59> Currently it's not possible to usefully support normal batteries /and/ smart batteries
[12:14] <spiral> mjg59: hmmm... incompatibility between two kinds ?
[12:14] <spiral> and wouldn't it be possible to have a specific kernel for smart batteries ?
[12:14] <mjg59> No
[12:15] <mjg59> The maintenance hassle would be large
[12:15] <Kamion> there are major benefits for us in having just one supported set of kernels
[12:15] <spiral> mjg59: ok... So I suppose the only way is to wait for an upgraded version of the patch, that could work for both situations ?
[12:16] <mjg59> spiral: It's possible that we'll provide smart battery support in the kernel for hoary, but userspace tools won't be able to work with it
[12:17] <mjg59> By the time Bendy comes around, everything ought to be using HAL for battery information, at which point it ceases to be a problem
[12:17] <spiral> mjg59: so this means that the battery indicator of KDE or gnome wouldn't work ? until HAL usage ?
[12:21] <Treenaks> Bendy?
[12:21] <Treenaks> that's Hoary + 2?
[12:21] <Treenaks> +3 ?
[12:22] <sivang> hoary+1
[12:22] <sivang> :)
[12:23] <sivang> mdz actually refuses the recognize the name of the beast :)
[12:23] <sivang> s/the/to/
[12:23] <mjg59> spiral: Correct
[12:24] <Treenaks> sivang: according to the wiki that's still grumpy :)
[12:24] <Hwolf> Bendy? Bendy what?
[12:24] <Kamion> don't ask
[12:24] <azeem> hey, is there a way to test IRDA on the hoary LiveCD? Any apps installed/anything to activate?
[12:24] <Hwolf> Treenaks: right.
[12:24] <Hwolf> Kamion: Enlighten me.
[12:24] <Kamion> Scott was trolling Mark and Mark took him seriously; a lesson for us all ;)
[12:24] <Kamion> Badger
[12:24] <Treenaks> LOL
[12:25] <sivang> hehe
[12:25] <sivang> Kamion: but really, how did scott think of a Bendy ?
[12:25] <Kamion> Scott has a twisted mind
[12:26] <Hwolf> Bendy Badger? Stylish. :-)
[12:27] <Mithrandir> please stop it.
[12:27] <Kaloz> :P
[12:27] <Josephus> :D
[12:27] <Hwolf> ;)
[12:27] <Hwolf> Feature freeze in a few days?
[12:27] <Kaloz> bendybunny :p eh :) 
[12:28] <Kamion> Hwolf: welcome to the Manic Coding Emporium
[12:28] <Kamion> it's feature freeze! get your mad hacks in now!
[12:28] <sivang> Hwolf: monday
[12:28] <Kamion> Wednesday I think
[12:28] <sivang> Kamion: oh ok, oops++
[12:28] <Hwolf> sivang: That means no usplash; you just blew my weekend :-P
[12:29] <sivang> Hwolf: wednesday as Kamion noted :)
[12:29] <Kamion> the release schedule's confusing, but there's a bit at the top that says "Tasks listed for a given week are, in general, due on the Wednesday"
[12:29] <sivang> Hwolf: doesn't it help?
[12:29] <Kamion> I think sladen's still going for it but I don't know how he's doing
[12:29] <Kamion> sladen: ?
[12:29] <Hwolf> sivang: Only pretty artwork will help. Sorry
[12:30] <sivang> Kamion: btw, thanks for mentioning me on the d-i changlog :) (a suprising way to find my name there)
[12:30] <Kamion> heh, you're welcome
[12:30] <Hwolf> Hoary is a lot more user-friendly compared to the warty I'm currently using, but besides the installer, boot is a major weak piont, imho
[12:31] <Kamion> he did say "besides the installer"
[12:31] <Mithrandir> oh, I misparsed
[12:32] <azeem> congrats on the Hoary-LiveCD, btw. Great work.
[12:34] <Hwolf> Mithrandir: It's straight forward, it works like a dream, but I pretty much dislike that you get 'booting into your ubuntu system' and then spend x hours watching -desktop being installed without a progress bar.
[12:35] <Kamion> Hwolf: yeah, I really would like to fix that, but it requires implementing progress bars in perl debconf
[12:35] <Kamion> which keeps slipping down my to-do list
[12:35] <Mithrandir> Hwolf: for x == 0.5 or so? ;)
[12:35] <Mithrandir> Kamion: that ought to be simple enough, or?
[12:35] <Kamion> Mithrandir: it's not extraordinarily difficult, but I want to do it for all frontends which is a fair bit of API research
[12:35] <Mithrandir> true.
[12:36] <Mithrandir> I can imagine the "editor" frontend having some problems there.
[12:36] <Mithrandir> and the http one
[12:36] <Kamion> I actually implemented a little bit of the PROGRESS interface in debconf recently, just enough to allow it to passthrough to cdebconf
[12:36] <Kamion> well, some of them would certainly have to ignore it, that goes without saying ...
[12:36] <Kamion> I suppose I could do it for dialog and make the rest fail or something
[12:36] <Kamion> or capb it :)
[12:37] <Mithrandir> I think capb is the way to go, really.
[12:37] <Kamion> guess so. I added progress to cdebconf's capb recently too.
[12:38] <Kamion> and capb can be per-frontend ...
[12:38] <Mithrandir> yup
[12:38] <Mithrandir> MPE
[12:39] <Kamion> MPE?
[12:40] <Hwolf> Kamion: In the meantime, change the texts to mention that installation is not finished, but now progressing to the installing of -desktop
[12:45] <sivang> Kamion: the new grub is your work ? :) 
[12:46] <Kamion> sivang: yeah
[12:46] <Kamion> Hwolf: I thought I already did that
[12:46] <Kamion> _Description: First stage of installation complete
[12:46] <Kamion>  The first stage of the installation process is complete. Your computer
[12:46] <Kamion>  will now reboot, ask you a few remaining questions, and install more
[12:46] <Kamion>  packages. Make sure to remove the installation media (CD-ROM,
[12:46] <Kamion>  floppies), so that your system boots from the disk to which Ubuntu was
[12:46] <Kamion>  installed.
[12:47] <Kamion> since prebaseconfig 0.69ubuntu2, which was pre-warty
[12:47] <Hwolf> Kamion: I must have completely missed that.
[12:47] <Kamion> it's at the point when it ejects the CD
[12:47] <sivang> Kamion: eh, a new upstream, nice
[12:48] <Kamion> it does say "Rebooting into your new Ubuntu system", though, but I was reluctant to change too much because it kills translations
[12:48] <Kamion> sivang: hm, no?
[12:48] <Kamion> it was my patch for hardware you probably don't have unless you're on amd64 :)
[12:50] <Hwolf> Kamion: Please do. :-S
[12:51] <sivang> Kamion: ah ok , I thought I read on the changlog that's it's a new upstream :) nevermind
[12:52] <Kamion> no, just "New" as in "new patch"
[12:52] <sivang> Kamion: ok, cool, btw how is the weather in London today?
[12:56] <Kamion> haven't been outside yet - looks like a fairish day for winter thoug
[12:56] <Kamion> h
[12:58] <Kamion> oh yes, I had trouble working out where to keep the fd for communication with whiptail while the gauge was being displayed, that was it
[01:00] <thom> Kamion: you've moved to london now? ;-P
[01:01] <Kamion> thom: not last I checked
[01:01] <thom> (because it's grey and 'orrible, here ;-) )
[01:01] <sivang> Kamion: Ah oops, I assumed you were in london like sladen is :)
[01:02] <infinity> I've heard some pretty terrible things about London.
[01:02] <infinity> Not the least of which is "thom's there"
[01:02] <thom> it's a great city :P
[01:02] <sivang> infinity: like what? is one of the best places to be I reckon
[01:02] <infinity> Oh, and people say "reckon" a lot.  But I have that problem where I live now, too.
[01:02] <sivang> pubs close around 11, peace and sound all day long :)
[01:03] <sladen> it's not as crap as I was expecting it to be when I moved here ...alot of what goes on in this country goes on here
[01:03] <sivang> sladen: G'afternoon
[01:03] <thom> picadilly, you were pretty close
[01:03] <sladen> Kamion: no I don't know either, but we'll see
[01:03] <sivang> infinity: where are you in?
[01:03] <infinity> thom : Which means, expect a barrage of uploads tomorrow afternoovening.
[01:04] <infinity> sivang : Cairns, QLD, Australia.
[01:04] <thom> sladen: so how do we proceed with cpufreq? try to load what we think, then try speedstep-smi, then acpi?
[01:04] <thom> infinity: when are y'all actually moving?
[01:04] <sladen> thom: trying -smi is ''just going to work'' on more machines
[01:04] <infinity> thom : We leave on the 15th or 16th, get there 4 or 5 days later.
[01:05] <infinity> thom : So.. Uhh.. Friggin' soon.
[01:05] <sivang> infinity: why are you moving?
[01:05] <infinity> sivang : Greener grass.
[01:05] <sladen> thom: I don't know what to do about the PIV machines without EST, p4_clockmod is supposed to be deprecated
[01:05] <sivang> infinity: yay
[01:06] <thom> sladen: nod
[01:07] <sladen> thom: and I think the detection should be rewritten to check family/model/make and then fallback to the string to differentiate separate models
[01:09] <thom> sladen: right, seems reasonable; should we change to trying -smi soon and then the rewrite can be a bit more opportunistic
[01:10] <sladen> mjg59: some other distro (can't remember where I read the code), is writing a 'resume' line into the config during hibernate and only allow resume from that line  
[01:11] <sladen> yup
[01:12] <sivang> infinity: are you like moving to a more countrysideish place?
[01:12] <sivang> (as opposed to urbanic and grey area)
[01:13] <thom> sladen: i can get that done now, then
[01:16] <Hwolf> sladen: Will we see usplash in hoary?
[01:18] <sladen> Hwolf: how long is a piece of string.
[01:19] <Hwolf> sladen: depends on how you cut it. 
[01:19] <sladen> Hwolf: bingo
[01:19] <Hwolf> *snif*
[01:20] <sladen> Hwolf: at the very worst, you'll see it in an apt repositary you can apt-get
[01:21] <Hwolf> sladen: You're my newest hero then.
[01:24] <sivang> Hwolf: so it your weekend not ruined completely? ;)
[01:24] <sivang> s/it/is/
[01:24] <Hwolf> sivang: It is, but for other reasons
[01:25] <sivang> Hwolf: ah ok :-/
[01:25] <Hwolf> I spent weeks and long hours writing a business plan for a company that just decided yesterday to move all engineering and production to china. I can start from scratch, and have 10 days to do it if I want to make sure I get a grade for it.
[01:25] <Hwolf> (studying business administration)
[01:27] <tseng> sivang: eh?
[01:27] <sivang> tseng: no more tomboy for me :(
[01:28] <tseng> sivang: oh
[01:28] <tseng> sivang: did you read the changelog?
[01:28] <infinity> sivang : No, moving from a city of 250 thousand to a city of 3.5 million.
[01:28] <tseng> sivang: im guessing you are trying to run `tomboy`, right?
[01:28] <infinity> sivang : Which, for me, is a "grass is greener" thing. :)
[01:29] <sivang> tseng: yes
[01:29] <sivang> infinity: hehe
[01:29] <tseng> sivang: well, two choices
[01:29] <sivang> tseng: didn't read the changlog, let's check
[01:29] <tseng> sivang: add the applet, or tomboy --tray-icon
[01:29] <mjg59> sladen: Hrm. Any chance that you could find that?
[01:30] <sivang> tseng: I do apt-listchanges on it and nothing comes out 
[01:31] <sivang> tseng: ok, wow, it's now an applet? or just the command line changed?
[01:31] <tseng> both
[01:31] <tseng> theres still a tray icon with --tray-icon
[01:31] <sivang> yay!
[01:31] <sivang> tseng: it's coool
[01:32] <sivang> all my notes are there! thanks tseng 
[01:32] <tseng> np
[01:34] <daniels> T-Bone: try checking if mirnyy.u.c works for cdimage rsyncing
[01:36] <T-Bone> daniels: same error message
[01:36] <T-Bone> i think i'll just dl the full ISO, it'll be as long as waiting for a rsync slot to open :P
[01:37] <Mitario> hi everyone
[01:42] <Kamion> sivang: apt-listchanges --all
[01:43] <sivang> Kamion: k, thanks
[01:44] <sivang> Kamion: eh, the joys of the changlogs :)
[01:47] <tseng> ogra: ping
[01:49] <sladen> mjg59: I can't find it from casual googling with  'grub patch resume alternative' alikes.  It was using two menu.lst's and mv'ing between them.  I suppose you could extend the idea, set the password to 'yes' and require them to type 'yes' to do anything but boot the first option
[01:49] <Treenaks> mjg59: my laptop still cycles back into suspend on resume from suspend-to-RAM
[01:51] <mjg59> Treenaks: We should have support for fixing that now
[01:51] <mjg59> I don't know if thom has uploaded an acpi-support package that uses it, though
[01:51] <Treenaks> mjg59: how do I check?
[01:52] <thom> oh, to lock acpid? no, i've not done that yet
[01:53] <mjg59> thom: If you could, that would be great
[01:53] <mjg59> That's really something that should be pushed upstream, too
[01:53] <thom> yeah, i intend to
[01:53] <thom> and yes, intend to do that also
[02:01] <sivang> hmm, lunch is calling, bbl
[02:02] <mjg59> thom: Hm. Maybe we should only be doing the vbestate save on laptops.
[02:06] <Mithrandir> Kamion: "MPE" = "My point exactly"
[02:08] <thom> sladen: -smi fallback in
[02:11] <Kamion> Mithrandir: ah, right
[02:13] <Mithrandir> what's the magic invocation to show all the stuff one has installed from universe?
[02:13] <thom> Mithrandir: http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/lscomponent ; run as lscomponent universe
[02:13] <thom> if it's buggy it's jdub's fault
[02:14] <daniels> boo jdub
[02:15] <Mithrandir> it worked.
[02:15] <Mithrandir> (for now)
[02:21] <Kamion> mdz: current grub in unstable has fixes for ida/ataraid/cciss devices and added support for raid1; can I merge?
[02:22] <ogra> tseng : pong
[02:22] <ogra> mdz: pong
[02:22] <ogra> morning everybody
[02:23] <tseng> hi ogra 
[02:23] <ogra> hi, whatsup ?
[02:23] <tseng> i still didnt get a chance to send my key to mark, so no upload
[02:24] <tseng> just noticed muine in hoary needs rebuild against libflac (again?)
[02:24] <Kamion> the key would go to James, wouldn't it? unless you were already told otherwise, in which case ignore me
[02:24] <tseng> yes, I was.
[02:24] <Kamion> ok
[02:24] <ogra> i thought that was already done....do you mean the mail on the -users list ?
[02:25] <tseng> it needs to be notarized, which is its not done
[02:25] <tseng> ogra: personal experience, i tired to install it, and it depended on libflac4. current is libflac6
[02:25] <tseng> i dont see a recent -users mail with muine
[02:25] <ogra> ah, ok
[02:26] <ogra> subject: broken package
[02:26] <tseng> i have a cdbs question as well
[02:26] <ogra> very informative ;)O
[02:26] <tseng> this is a tricky one
[02:26] <tseng> muine 0.7.1 pre packages patch a file to install to /usr/share/dotnet
[02:27] <tseng> 0.8.1 has an option to the make install, ${exec_prefix} that looks like it will do this for us
[02:27] <daniels> so is /usr/share/dotnet actually the right path now?
[02:27] <tseng> yes
[02:27] <daniels> as opposed to /usr/lib/mono
[02:27] <daniels> because they were /u/s/d, then /u/l/m, and ah we're bored now, back to /u/s/d
[02:27] <daniels> not that I'm bitter
[02:27] <tseng> yes.. its meant to take into account other interpretations apperantly
[02:27] <tseng> such as pnet
[02:27] <tseng> or whatever else crack smoking vm comes along
[02:28] <[m0rph] > libsdl-sound1.2 also needs a rebuild for flac6
[02:28] <tseng> but anyway, trying to find where cdbs actually calls make install
[02:28] <tseng> so i can pass in the var
[02:28] <tseng> best i see is:
[02:28] <tseng>  include $(_cdbs_rules_path)/buildvars.mk$(_cdbs_makefile_suffix)
[02:29] <daniels> /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/
[02:29] <daniels> and either makefile.mk or autoconf.mk in there
[02:29] <daniels> or maybe it's autotools.mk
[02:29] <daniels> but they'll have a common-install-impl target
[02:31] <tseng> hm so i can overload that
[02:34] <tseng> or maybe setting DEB_MAKE_INSTALL_TARGET
[02:35] <Kamion> tseng: notarised> oh yes, that was you
[02:36] <tseng> yeah =/
[02:36] <tseng> monday i hope
[02:36] <Kamion> I need to sit down with pencil and paper here, which is just silly
[02:36] <daniels> Kamion: d-i/casper/debconf?
[02:36] <Kamion> daniels: debconf/whiptail
[02:36] <daniels> Kamion: bongtasmic
[02:37] <Kamion> cdebconf has it easy, it uses the newt library in-process
[02:37] <daniels> heh
[02:37] <Kamion> whereas debconf has to fork whiptail and then juggle desperately
[02:39] <infinity> Kamion : You could just give joeyh your requirements and a pot of coffee, and have it done in the morning.
[02:39] <infinity> Kamion : The man's a machine.
[02:40] <Mithrandir> Kamion: wouldn't it be easier to have a libnewt-perl?
[02:40] <infinity> There is a libnewt-perl...
[02:40] <Kamion> Mithrandir: there already is one; I'm assuming there was a reason for not using it, like it was hopelessly broken or something
[02:41] <infinity> The description claims it's "very useable".
[02:41] <Kamion> well I'm not going to totally upend debconf when I don't have to
[03:08] <mjg59> Hmm. The RTL8180 driver is now actually working for some people, impressively.
[04:23] <sladen> Kamion: is there clean way to rename kernel-* or add a provides: to linux-* so that ex-Debian people don't keep finding the wrong packages
[05:03] <lamont> sladen: the best answer is probably to drop the kernel-* packages (well, 2.6 that is..)
[05:10] <mako> mdz: still need help with array 4 announcement.. i worked offline yesterday.. jane knew.. not sure if she got the message to you
[05:43] <lamont> speaking of MTA's...  /me tries to remember which way we decided...  drop postfix from base after modifying base to behave in the absence of an MTA?
[06:15] <dholbach> hai
[06:18] <sivang> hey dholbach 
[06:19] <dholbach> hi sivang! :-)
[06:24] <wasabi> this evms stuff is unbelievable.
[06:24] <wasabi> i am tempted to make / a evms volume...
[06:24] <wasabi> wonder what the potential to do that automatically in ubuntu is. it kind of solves the drive order problem.
[06:26] <sivang> wasabi: it allows so many things...I was amazed to see it, and it has complete backward compatibility with lvms
[06:26] <sivang> wasabi: meaning you can leave your volumes as they were and evms would use them no prob
[06:26] <wasabi> yeah it seems that doing that is better
[06:26] <wasabi> using lvm as the disk linker
[06:27] <sivang> I am using everything bu /boot under lvms on the laptop, should switch to evms sometime
[06:27] <wasabi> I'm thinking that if hte Ubuntu initrd has evms support... then I should be able to pass root=/dev/evms/root to the kernel.
[06:27] <wasabi> does ubuntu's initrd support it?
[06:28] <wasabi> See, this solves my one big problem... I can't hot swap my sata drives, because they make linux reorder sda to sdb, etc... causing grub to not boot and fstab to be inaccurate.
[06:28] <sivang> I am using lvms on the lappi, and /boot is the only partiton not under lvm, so at least for lvm it has?
[06:28] <wasabi> seems so.
[06:28] <sivang> ah well, go ahead and test it on some non important data :)
[06:28] <wasabi> heh
[06:30] <Treenaks> sivang: no, you test with real important data
[06:30] <Treenaks> sivang: that way you can blame the developers
[06:30] <sivang> Treenaks: hehe, I always do, but I reckon wasabi has much more important data then I have on my syste :)
[06:30] <wasabi> sivang: to auto mount an evms vol, you just plug the evms path into fstab right?
[06:31] <wasabi> I have been moving 600GB of anime back and forth between hd's for two days, reformatting ubuntu, and setting up evms.
[06:31] <sivang> wasabi: I am not sure, just read a couple of bits about it , using lvm on the laptop, not evms.
[06:31] <wasabi> ahh.
[06:31] <wasabi> did you see evms?
[06:31] <wasabi> it's even better. ;0
[06:31] <sivang> wasabi: I read about it sometime ago, after mdz noted to me it's apparent benefits.
[06:32] <sivang> wasabi: I think on my lvm entries in the fstab on the laptop, it as simple IIRC
[06:32] <wasabi> I'm seriously beginning to think that if Ubuntu set it up by default during an install, making / an evms vol, it would be Really Neat.
[06:33] <sivang> well, this is rather a drastic decision to do, only time would tell :)
[06:33] <sivang> (IMHO)
[08:29] <mdz> mako: announcement went out, no problems
[08:29] <mdz> Kamion: sure
[09:24] <sivang> seb128_: ping
[09:26] <seb128_> sivang: pong ?
[09:28] <sivang> seb128_: hi :) just wanted to know, if I want to modifiy some of the gtk+ code, I need to open the tarballs under the gtk+2.0-2.6.2/upstream dir of the source pkg and work on them? how would I go about modifying this pkg?
[09:32] <dholbach> sivang: i guess you have to  tar xfz  it, modify it, make a patch, put that patch in debian/patches as 99_sivangs_special_something.patch :-)
[09:32] <seb128_> right, that's it
[09:33] <sivang> seb128: ah ok, simple patch system ? (cdbs)
[09:33] <sivang> dholbach: thanks
[09:33] <dholbach> sivang: de rien :-)
[09:35] <Burgundavia_> Hello all
[09:36] <sivang> dholbach: merci beaucoup
[09:37] <dholbach> :-)
[09:37] <dholbach> sivang: we'll take french lessons together... maybe seb128 will volunteer for it ;-)
[09:38] <sivang> sure, and you should do germen lessons :)
[09:55] <wasabi> Oye. The kernel instalsl break horribly when using EVMS
[09:56] <wasabi> Failed to create initrd image.
[09:59] <mdz> wasabi: -ENOTENOUGHINFO
[10:00] <wasabi> I'm looking at it trying to get info
[10:01] <wasabi> Okay... during postinst, it does some setting up stuff. Spits out a ton of errors related to LVM, and says two of my volumes have duplicate PV identifiers... which I suspose is true.
[10:01] <wasabi> One of my LVM disks is a md raid 1 disk. =)
[10:01] <wasabi> Comprised of two seperate physical disks. I suspect it's reading the PV id from each and getting confused.
[10:02] <wasabi> Would you like the output?
[10:04] <wasabi> Guess i'll make a bug report.
[10:06] <bluefoxicy> some people really can't boot from cd and need a floppy
[10:06] <bluefoxicy> any ideas?
[10:06] <bluefoxicy> i'm thinking you could put grub on a floppy image
[10:06] <bluefoxicy> with chainloader (cd)+1
[10:06] <bluefoxicy> to boot from cd
[10:07] <azeem> bluefoxicy: that's not specific to Ubuntu though, is it?
[10:07] <bluefoxicy> azeem:  this can't get woody or sarge installed, and can't even try ubuntu because the machine is 10 years old and doesn't do boot from cd in the bios
[10:09] <azeem> you can install sarge via floppies
[10:09] <bluefoxicy> azeem:  but I think the grub idea is a good one, since it'd be more of a generic boot-from-cd disk, which means the problem only has to be solved once.  Then again, is there anything like that?
[10:10] <bluefoxicy> azeem:  he has a boot disk but sarge won't work there either
[10:10] <bluefoxicy> it broke
[10:10] <azeem> what makes you think Ubuntu would work then?
[10:10] <bluefoxicy> he's tried woody and sarge, but can't try ubuntu, because it can't be installed, because there's no boot from CD
[10:11] <bluefoxicy> nothing else's worked
[10:11] <bluefoxicy> so why not :P
[10:11] <bluefoxicy> anyway
[10:11] <bluefoxicy> this is irrelavent
[10:25] <sivang> dholbach: ok, but that's after I know my patch is good and working, how do I test build change by change?
[10:26] <sivang> dholbach: like chanign a source tree before diffing with the orig to make the patch
[10:29] <dholbach> sivang: what do you want to do? check if the build works before you try to patch?
[10:30] <sivang> dholbach: yes, like change the package inline, without having to make a patch for every single attempt I make
[10:31] <dholbach> erm... cant you remove the according patch from debian/patches?
[10:32] <sivang> dholbach: what do you mean?
[10:33] <dholbach> oh... now i see what you mean merging the diffs is a bit of a pain
[10:34] <sivang> dholbach: yes, everytime I change some small bits :-)
[10:35] <dholbach> you'll have to find a clever way of applying-and-removing-while-preparing-a-new-diff
[10:35] <sivang> dholbach: I wish this package would use dpatch :)
[10:35] <dholbach> since i never used  dbs , before, i'm not sure, if there's a cool tool
[10:35] <sivang> dholbach: it's way cool to do stuff that way
[10:38] <azeem> (you can use cdbs together with dpatch)
[10:39] <sivang> dholbach: I just want an easy way to make modification, without _having_ to do them as patched everytime :) like, work on the source pkg, debuild from the same dir several time , when I reach the my desried results, then make diffs against the orig and create patches.
[10:40] <sivang> azeem: I can imagine, however, this specific package doesn
[10:40] <sivang> azeem: use dpatch, I suspect it uses the simple patch system.
[10:43] <sivang> seb128: how do you apply all the patches in their order to get a sourcetree to do more work on when working on this package?
[10:44] <seb128> start the build and ctrl-C ? :p
[10:46] <robertj> I'm trying to test some changes I made to a package but the config script bombs when testing it by doing sh passwd.config reconfigure, is there a better way to test it?
[10:47] <sivang> seb128: I thought there must be a way to do that more, hrm, elegantly ? :)
[10:51] <sivang> err, my upgrade is stuck :-(
[10:52] <sivang> does anybody know if setting up linux-kernel on lvm volumes should take, like, forever, on an inspiron machine ?
[10:52] <sivang> ehh it's just continued..phew, that was a close one
[10:52] <seb128> sivang: perhaps, but I'm not working on the computer atm and I don't want to search
[10:52] <jdub> yo seb128 
[10:53] <jdub> seb128: "ugh" to the industrial cursors/stock stuff
[10:54] <sivang> seb128: ok
[10:56] <robertj> hey jdub, do you have any hints on how to test the config portion of a package?
[10:56] <robertj> I just get a bunch of debconf complaining about missing templates and the like
[10:56] <jdub> not i, check the debian documentation
[11:01] <Treenaks> why would logging out & back in fix themeing in firefox?
[11:07] <dholbach> brb
[11:07] <lamont> ../mantools/postlink: line 715: 24692 Segmentation fault      perl -e '
[11:07] <lamont> bad perl
[11:08] <sivang> ooouch
[11:09] <lamont> well, it is 55988 bytes of file that says 'perl -e'
[11:12] <sivang> buffer size exceeded?
[11:13] <dholbach> unmounting my vfat-partition crashes my box... completely
[11:14] <dholbach> and i thought it was a gparted-bug...
[11:14] <YokoZar> When is Hoary universe going to get frozen?
[11:15] <jdub> it's in upstream version freeze
[11:15] <jdub> but we are more open to universe updates
[11:16] <dholbach> jdub: this reminds me of g*mm *whistle silently*
[11:21] <seb128> jdub: evening, yep ...
[11:21] <bluefoxicy> .rhythmbox[10107] : segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 0000000000000000 rsp 0000007fbfffeb18 error 14
[11:21] <bluefoxicy> so much for ogg vorbis
[11:21] <bluefoxicy> actually no, other oggs play  o.o
[11:22] <bluefoxicy> does anyone want this file?
[11:22] <bluefoxicy> it's reproducibly killing rhythmbox on hoary as of 5 hours ago
[11:22] <bluefoxicy> on standard ubuntu kernels (amd64-k8)
[11:23] <dholbach> bluefoxicy: you could talk to the guys at   irc://irc.gnome.org/rhythmbox  about it
[11:24] <bluefoxicy> sure, though they might not be able to reproduce it (everything kills rhythmbox on gentoo, and they can't reproduce that, the gstreamer guys say it's gentoo's fault)
[11:44] <netdur> firefox (1.0 hoary) doesn't apear to render unicode well! I have the same site shown in both browsers (firefox 1.0 and mozilla 1.8, both character set to uft-8) while mozilla show it well, firefox doesn't, anyway, I'm not firefox (not stable enough) user so I don't need help, this is just to inform you!!!
[11:48] <sivang> sladen: yay! cpu scaling works again :)
[11:49] <sladen> sivang: btw, can you remind me the specs of your machine;  was it /not/ working because of a duff ACPI DSDT
[11:51] <sivang> sladen: DSDT? duff? :)
[11:53] <sivang> sladen: basically, dell inspiron 8200, 256MB ram, Brookdale 82845 chipset
[11:53] <sivang> sladen: anything else?
[11:53] <lamont> hrmpf.  page ranking fell to #3
[11:53] <sladen> sivang: what's the CPU?
[11:53] <sladen> lamont: Google?
[11:53] <sivang> sladen: pentium mobile, pre centrino technology
[11:53] <lamont> yeah - basketball and college football player beat me out
[11:53] <sivang> sladen: the one that eats the hell out of you batter
[11:54] <lamont> I need to have mako mention me in traffic a again