[12:03] Kamion: do you have an announcement prepared already? [12:03] not even a little bit [12:03] thom says ETA: 30 minutes [12:03] mako: ping,, re: array 4 announcement [12:04] I'm starting one now [12:04] um ... I was just going to do it based on the array 3 announcement, I think that's worked pretty well so far [12:04] ok [12:04] was looking for a copy [12:04] you send these to where, -devel and -users? [12:05] yeah [12:05] I always need to go through the installer changes I've made in order to write the release notes anyway [12:08] haha, bonus, due to the lazy way I wrote the end of publish-release, all I needed to do was 'publish-release daily 20050204.2 install no array-4; publish-release daily-live 20050204.2 live no array-4' [12:08] the only interesting user-visible casper change is that it doesn't cause init to emit scary messages anymore [12:08] hrm I'm tired, night everyone! [12:08] mdz: ok, thanks [12:08] that's since array 3.5 live right? [12:08] yes [12:09] Kamion: Does the installer have tac and tsort available to it when it's running hotplug, or are you just in busybox land at that point? [12:11] jbailey: busybox [12:12] hello [12:12] mdz: how are users expected to upgrade ubuntu when a new version is out [12:12] mdz: and the localisation fix [12:13] mdz: Thanks. Time to conjure some awk magic, I guess =) [12:13] Kamion: oh, good call [12:13] jbailey: neither appears to be in busybox [12:13] mdz: all the answers I can think of involving altering a setting to point at a new source, whether using synaptec's package manager or editing some files [12:13] Kamion: No, they're definetly not. [12:13] Thanks, though. [12:14] mdz: (have you confirmed it to work, actually?) [12:14] Kamion: let me do a quick test [12:15] someone did confirm it at the time, sivang I think [12:17] mdz: ok I have a /shadow-working and a /shadow-prestine, what args do I need to force feed patch to get the output you need? [12:17] robertj: diff -ruN [12:20] Kamion: confirmed, it works === T-Bone is now known as T-None [12:22] mdz: note to self: doh! [12:22] note to self: set a root password === robertj rm'd /etc/sudoers to test ;) [12:22] brb [12:22] actually I wont be, im gonna fix this and then be off to dinner [12:24] mdz: where was 3.5 announced? [12:24] mdz: oh, never mind, found it [12:24] 3.5 went to -announce because it was the first live CD milestone EVAR [12:25] do you think we should do broader announcements of any Arrays, or not until Preview? [12:25] Mm.. no awk in the busybox udeb. [12:26] what's the required task? [12:27] mdz: not until preview, I feel [12:28] I think the announcements to -users and -devel have served the intended purpose of Sounders and Arrays pretty well up to now; they've had a substantial amount of interest and testing, but not volumes that we can't cope with during development [12:28] mdz: could you glance over http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/array-4-announce? [12:30] jbailey: sed, tr, and 'while read ...; do' tend to be enough for most things IME ... [12:30] most awkish things, that is [12:30] plus good use of ${var#...}, ${var%...}, etc. :-) === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-222-186-25.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === usual [~colin@cpe-69-204-174-79.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dizzy [~dizzy@adsl190-96-tn.aknet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janc [~janc@dD5764BB5.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] whoa [12:37] 123 upgraded packages. === perdix [~perdix@134.102.101.166] has left #ubuntu-devel ["leaving"] [12:41] gar, I so wish apt had rate limiting [12:41] Kamion: I need to do an ordered sort with some guarantees put on it. Like the pci hotplug run has to happen before the IDE one. I can probably do a series of ugly pipes with grep -v to just extract them and force them to the end, though. [12:41] Kamion: glancing [12:42] Kamion: I think elmo might object to: [12:42] I recommend rsync if possible, as you can then download future images [12:42] based on this one to save bandwidth. [12:42] hm? that's been in the sounder/array announcements since sounder 6 or so [12:42] I think we ought to change it [12:43] oh, but the rsync limits, blah === zenrox [~knoppix@wbar7.sea1-4-10-181-189.sea1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] only users who download ISOs regularly should use rsync [12:43] and they certainly don't need to use rsync the first time, in order to be able to rsync later images [12:43] true enough [12:43] just delete that paragraph then? [12:43] that sentence and the rsync:// URL, I'd say [12:44] I do think the rsync:// URL should stay; it is not obvious how to construct it from the http:// URL === usual [~colin@cpe-69-204-174-79.nycap.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["What] [12:45] at least I assume that it's not obvious because everybody seems to have to ask about it when we don't mention it explicitly [12:45] isn't it on the Archive page in the wiki? [12:45] I think "here are http and torrent URLs; for other stuff look at this page" is fine [12:45] dude, I'm nearly convinced *you* asked about it :) === thom shivers [12:46] hm, Archive is actually wrong, correcting [12:47] right, so we need to sync to torrent.u.c and then i'll kick [12:47] we're nearly there [12:47] ARE WE THERE YET?? [12:49] #ubuntu-devel, featuring James Troup as ADD boy [12:49] ok, removed the rsync: line with reservations [12:49] someone put that in the topic, puhlease [12:49] lifeless: go for it ;-) === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:lifeless] : Ubuntu development channel | use #ubuntu for support and general discussion | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources [12:50] creating .torrent files, then I'll sync [12:50] # | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals [12:50] bah [12:50] lifeless: um ;-) === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:lifeless] : Ubuntu development channel | use #ubuntu for support and general discussion | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals [12:50] silly copy n paste === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:thom] : Ubuntu development channel | use #ubuntu for support and general discussion | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals || #ubuntu-devel, featuring James Troup as ADD boy === colin__ [~colin@cpe-69-204-174-79.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] hurrah for tab completion [12:52] Kamion: thanks [12:53] oh thats nice, I did not know that. [12:53] lifeless: irssi > * [12:53] Kamion: we'll revisit the rsync thing when we have more server-guts to throw at the problem [12:53] yah, irssi is love [12:53] at this point, fewer people finding the rsync url is a feature :-/ === thully [~thully@232.sub-166-155-205.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] mirrors syncing now [12:54] hi - I have a question - when the X bug was causing problems, did this effect dist-upgraders or just people installing/using live CD snapshots? [12:55] both as far as I know; it was a cat-induced typo in the postinst [12:56] we dropped mozilla-locale-* ? [12:56] we did? [12:57] elmo: they were only seeded by the language packs [12:57] s/seeded/depended on/ [12:57] mdz: anastacia wants to remove a whole bunch [12:57] ah, pitti removed the deps [12:57] elmo: feel free to add them to supported, we want to keep them [12:57] in fact I think they were there, and were removed because they were added to the language packs [12:57] score === dizzy [~dizzy@adsl190-96-tn.aknet.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Use] [12:59] mdz: okay, what about {i,w}{danish,dutch} ? they're built by source packages that got promoted for building aspell i18n dicts.. do we want the {i,w} variants too? [12:59] I really must automate that HEADER.html thing, doing it by hand each time is no fun [12:59] re-seeding mozilla-locale for ca, cy, da, el, es-es, it, no-nb, pl, ptbr and sl === dholbach [~dholbach@td9091ba6.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] and .htaccess, come to that [01:00] elmo: if ispell is in main, and the source packages are in main for other reasons, yeah, why not [01:02] mdz: should I put "(Install and Live)" or something in the subject line? [01:02] I like the pun anyway :) [01:02] INSTALL OR DIE [01:03] Kamion: sure [01:03] Kamion: "installation and live editions"? [01:03] mdz: hmm, ispell is in main but we don't seem to have {m,}any other i18n dicts for it [01:03] bah, how boring [01:03] ok, done [01:03] ARE WE NEARLY THERE YET, mirrors [01:04] live stuff is still appearing on cdimage.u.c [01:04] is the torrent mirror up to date? === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] thom's working on it === wasabi_ [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] mirnyy's only up to ia64 [01:13] powerpc... [01:13] orcadas is syncing now [01:13] orcadas? new torrent? [01:13] yeah [01:14] ok, since I want to get to bed, if you don't mind I'll send the announce as soon as mirnyy's complete; mail delays should take care of the rest anyway [01:14] fine from where i'm sat [01:15] ah, there it goes [01:16] mirnyy's done [01:16] sent, night all [01:16] orcadas is at ia64 [01:16] night duder === sm1022 [~simon@lsanca1-ar5-4-60-063-254.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === tseng trys to snag array-4 before the masses hit [01:22] tseng: use the torrent and benefit from the massis [01:22] masses [01:22] heh, good call [01:23] i just used gnome-bt on array-3.5 and it rocks [01:23] it's installed by default now === Arrogance [~aks@CPE0050ba556e4b-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] Kamion: night, rock :) [01:30] torrents should be kicking ass and taking names [01:32] seeding {install,live}-i386 [01:38] aww, the ia64 live cd doesn't have any peers [01:38] it also doesn't work, I don't think [01:39] really? i should grab a copy and try it next week [01:39] but now, i should go to sleep [01:39] or at least leave my computer [01:40] g'night [01:40] night, thanks [01:41] no problem [01:47] mdz: ia64 livecd won't work until it's built with -14 kernel, I believe === lamont checks [01:49] nope. -14 still lacks the needed ia64 changes. [01:49] those will be in -15, I believe - fabbione had them in his tree === jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:28] lamont: is mplayer all happy now? [02:29] when his last 3 uploads push through, it should be [02:29] I asked him to do the ffmpeg stuff we discussed [02:29] yeah, I saw the uploads and that prompted the question [02:30] the array 4 announcement seems to have gone over quietly [02:31] mdz: can fix. [02:35] uh [02:36] dpkg-distaddfile gpgv-udeb_$(VERSION)_$(DEB_HOST_ARCH).udeb debian-installer extra [02:36] how can that possible be right? [02:41] looks reasonable to me? [02:41] mdz: not so much if you're cross building [02:42] ah, ok [02:42] elmo: like that actually works... [02:42] mdz: no clue if it's happy yet, but elmo tells me it should be... [02:43] daniels: so, array 4 is done [02:43] daniels: feel free to break xorg === lamont giggles [02:43] daniels: can we do something about my KVM regression? [02:48] daniels: it seems that if we can't probe, and so go to the trouble of asking the user which modes they want, we should give them what they ask for [02:49] mdz: yes, that's already fixed locally [02:49] (i fixed it about 10min after you first tlold me about it) [02:50] daniels: oh, great === moquist_ [~moquist@pool-64-223-171-233.man.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] so that'll be in ubuntu16 [02:50] yes [02:52] which will also eliminate the need for XORG_FORCE_PROBE=yes [02:52] and is free of live CD regressions in your test [03:00] mdz afaict, yes [03:00] let me know if you want to send some debs my way to test [03:00] mdz: (X_F_P can be unset or yes for the same effect; no to disable it) [03:00] sure. might throw up some source packages later, but for some reason my local build is screwed with strip (it just point-blank refuses to strip them), so all my debs are hoooooge. [03:01] DEB_BUILD_OPTS=nostrip lingering somewhere? [03:12] mdz: nope, strip gets called, but bails out [03:13] strip: unable to copy file 'debian/xserver-xorg/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/palmax_drv.o' reason: Permission denied [03:13] ad infinitum [03:13] umask doesn't seem to be a problem, not sure of what's up [03:16] Remember earlier when I asked about the cyclic build dependencies being acceptable? I am working on going over Debian's Java stuff and cleaning it up... seems there are lots of these. [03:16] XML libraries requiring utilities requriing XML libraries, and onward. [03:16] Should I even try to sort this out? Or is it acceptable? [03:24] jdub: still here? [03:25] wasabi: if it is possible to build the packages without the cyclic dependencies, then yes, that is preferable [03:25] wasabi: these cases need to be handled manually when we bootstrap a new architecture, which is labour-intensive [03:26] yeah. [03:26] Well, it being Java might not make that that important. [03:26] It's arch all [03:27] lamont,jdub: I'm ready to make the ubuntu-live metapackage, but the current contents of the live seed are sort of random [03:27] we should have some guidelines/rationale/sanity before we start to use it === jba [~jba@c211-30-145-155.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:31] hey gang === jba lurves he's working acpi on dell x300 laptop === jba hugs ubuntu [03:33] mdz: does ubuntu-live Depend: ubuntu-desktop, I wonder? [03:33] in any case, you say when, and I'll switch the script over [03:33] lamont, i was thinking of installing tomboy from ubuntu apt servers, but my mono prefix is /user/local [03:34] should i just install it from source ? [03:34] "my mono prefix" == something you did, or does our mono package have things broken? [03:34] hoary has mono 1.0.5, or should [03:34] jba: er, why? [03:34] install tomboy + mono all from hoary [03:35] lamont, something i did [03:35] i install mono form source cause I hack on mono sources [03:36] lamont, i would be using mono/gtk#/gecko# and so on from svn as of two days ago [03:36] sounds like you are on your own, dude [03:36] tseng, I'm actually a mono hacker (working on MWF at the moment), that's why [03:36] then either tomboy from source, or point it at /usr/local after you install, I guess [03:36] cool [03:36] just thought I'd ask === lamont has never used mono [03:36] I'm not adverse to installing from source, but was wondering if you wanted me to test the installation [03:37] sorry dude (lamont), I thought you were packaging mono stuff, must have been tseng instead [03:37] not jumping to support non-standard installs from svn, no [03:37] jba: I just build the stuff [03:37] i wasn't asking for support guys [03:37] just wanted the lowdown on how it's installed [03:37] well install whatever works, your own your own [03:38] I'll give it a whirl from apt, and let you know how it goes ? [03:38] is how i mean. [03:38] tseng, I know that, I'm cool with it [03:38] just thought maybe you wouldn't mind some testers [03:39] apologies for coming off as someone asking for suppot [03:39] catch ya round later === jba [~jba@c211-30-145-155.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [03:40] odd. === mroth [~mroth@mroth.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:52] battlstar, bbl [04:00] lamont: no, ubuntu-live will not depend on ubuntu-desktop [04:01] dependencies between the metapackages get ugly === infinity [~adconrad@loki.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:08] mdz: ok === thully [~thully@47.sub-166-155-125.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:10] hi - I was trying to rsync an iso to array 4, and I wondered - where do I see how much has to be downloaded in order to rsync? === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:16] hey === thully [~thully@47.sub-166-155-125.myvzw.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-222-186-25.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi__ [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === robertj [~robertj@c-24-98-81-148.atl.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:00] hey all, Im bumbling around trying to create a diff of the stuff that has changed from the apt-src package, but it's picking up all the new stuff in the debian directory [05:00] is their an equivalent of a dpkg-buildpackage mrclean or something? [05:05] robertj: "fakeroot debian/rules clean" [05:05] ahh [05:09] lamont: what are you still doing up? === Arrogance [~aks@CPE0050ba556e4b-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [~ogra@pD95F8011.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:29] zul: about to go to bed, truth be told [05:30] lamont, what time is it there? [05:30] 2131 === `anthony [~anthony@220-253-10-120.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:31] thats not too bad.. [05:31] 2331 here [05:38] daniels: ping [05:39] pong [05:39] i just did a clean install of hoary, i have a ~/.Xresources with settings for rxvt [05:39] any ideas why its not seeming to be picked up? [05:39] did xrdb -all .Xresources even [05:41] try .Xdefaults instead; other than that I'm not sure, sorry === daniels wanders off towards the kitchen. [05:42] yeah i copied it there also. [05:42] stupid thing [05:42] tseng: err, xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources ? [05:42] crimsun: still nothing [05:42] What would I use in cdbs to do something before the build starts? [05:43] this is "true" rxvt, correct? [05:43] no, rxvt-unicode [05:43] this was working until i reinstalled [05:43] I presume you use URxvt* ? [05:43] what params do you need to reapply a diff created with ruN [05:43] crimsun: yes. [05:44] robertj: patch -p1 < ~/diff [05:44] robertj: or so [05:44] hmm, puzzling. [05:51] hrmm, how can I test the configure script? [05:51] actually its kind of working, just not the font [05:52] the closest I managed to get was to coerce a message that it was already configured [06:04] ogra: around? [06:04] (probably still asleep) [06:04] nah, he's only 40min idle [06:05] although he was disconnected then.. [06:06] timed out, yeah === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-222-186-25.eastlink.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [06:50] i wonder if having EVMS set up by default removes the need for the md startup scripts [07:18] whos the nivida god in here [07:29] mdz, Kamion: andrew morton acknoledge the patch :-) [07:44] wasabi_: nearly so, yes [07:45] fabbione: cool [07:56] which patch is that? [07:58] dilinger: noexec= [07:58] mdz: did you read the other mail about grub? [07:58] (btw Robert released another inotify patch yesterday with our fixes and it should fix our critical bug) [07:58] i will test it on monday :-) === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:11] hmmm [08:11] what do we use to burn dvd's? [08:14] dvd+rw-tools+nautilus-cd-burner? [08:14] crimsun: without natilus? [08:14] dvd+rw-tools are ok to format/clean but they can't burn [08:14] and cdrecord needs the "PRo" version === fabbione would like cmd line [08:16] that's a good question. Unfortunately I don't know. [08:16] dvdrtools - DVD writing program [08:17] ah, in multiverse? [08:17] sorry, I presumed you meant something in main [08:18] eheh no problem :-) === syn-ack [~meskes@ip68-228-61-85.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nasdaq7|away [~sdfsdfs@tpr-ip-nas-ov-1-p42.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:41] crimsun: how do you blank dvds? [08:42] apparently dvd+rw-format doesn't do it properly... [08:42] fabbione: (no dvd drive here) [08:42] ah ok === zenrox [~zenrox@wbar7.sea1-4-10-181-189.sea1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] fabbione: yes, I did read the mail, but I'm not sure how to implement the fix [09:28] fabbione: I use dvd+rw-tools to burn, all the time [09:29] mdz: what command do you use? [09:29] growisofs, the program with the completely uninformative name [09:29] ok [09:29] thanks [09:29] growisofs -Z /dev/scd0=hoary-live-i386.iso [09:29] is my finger macro [09:29] you can also burn DVDs with dd :-) [09:29] i am having some weird problems and i am trynig to figure out if it is a media problem or not [09:29] what kind of media? [09:30] "budget" dvd-r [09:30] the same iso can be burned without any problems on dvd+rw [09:30] but whatver i use i cannot burn it on the dvd- [09:30] the strange thing is that the rw reports even less space than the dvd- [09:31] it always fails at the end [09:31] not being able to close the disc (on windows) [09:31] and it doesn't even start in linux [09:31] I use dvd+rw exclusively [09:31] (indipendently from the media) [09:31] so I don't know much about other media [09:31] but I have had no problems with +rw [09:31] ok [09:31] neither do i, but i cannot store everything on +rw :-) [09:32] not after i got 600 DVD's -r :-) [09:32] that is a lot of DVD [09:32] i know :-) [09:33] somebody was kind enough to give them as present for the wedding === nasdaq7|away [~sdfsdfs@tpr-ip-nas-ov-1-p42.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:34] only 7 days to go :-) [09:34] 7 days, 6 hours and 35 minutes [09:34] don't try to steal my (still) FREE TIME! [09:34] :P [09:37] mdz: to clean the dvd do you use dvd+rw-format? [09:44] I have never had to do that [09:44] so you never reuse a dvd? [09:44] of course I do [09:44] I just growisofs over it again [09:44] or growisofs does it for you? [09:44] there is no need to explicitly erase [09:44] cool [09:44] you just rewrite [09:44] i am kinda "new" to dvd mastering [09:44] ok [09:45] DVD+RW is so much nicer than CD-RW [09:45] very simple [09:45] i get that ;) [09:46] I still need to get a DVD burner for the server -- the thing is busy enough, backup over the network would be deadly [09:46] smurfix: i have a LITE-ON.. cheap and nice [09:47] mdz: new initrd image for the key selector available [09:48] I'm off for a week of {supervising the kids while they do some,} skiing now, but I'll take the cellphone and the laptop [09:50] smurfix: you don't think we should put it into hoary yet? [09:51] mdz: Need a Python bugfix for that, and d-i doesn't yet know how to build the file. [09:52] I'll do that work over the next few days. === rubenv [~lambda1@83-134-125-14.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] mdz: The Python fix is already in CVS, and the next release will be soon; if not I'll do an interim bugfix update. [10:00] ok [10:00] enjoy your holiday [10:01] ogra: ping? [10:01] mdz: I will, assuming I won't freeze my ass off :-/ === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-22-115.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === YokoZar [~scott@d160-104-la-rue-2.ucdavis.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [~dholbach@td9091b2b.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] good morning [10:28] dholbach: morning [10:29] hi sivang [10:29] dholbach: what's up? [10:31] sivang: got to do some shopping and some learning afterwards :-) [10:31] dholbach: when is your test? [10:31] sivang: what are you up to, today? [10:32] monday [10:32] oohh [10:32] last exam :-) [10:32] :-) [10:32] couldnt sleep last night, so i packaged gparted [10:33] dholbach: hehe, nice going for someone who can't sleep :) [10:33] it really looks nice, but i discovered a SERIOUS bug [10:33] unmounting a vfat partition caused the box to die [10:33] so i put this in a kind of "experimental" repo :-) [10:34] 0.0.9 (next release) should be better :-) [10:34] Ah I see, well, do you have any idea why tomboy won't start ? (sheesh all my notes..) [10:34] on amd64 there is no mono atm :-/ [10:35] so i couldnt test... but does it say anything, if you start it from console? [10:35] no [10:35] :(( [10:35] strace ? [10:35] and tseng is 3 hours into away .. [10:35] lemme check [10:35] does it look for a file it can't find? [10:35] clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME, {1107596150, 55674000}) = 0 [10:35] futex(0xb70504cc, FUTEX_WAIT, 126, {0, 99326000} [10:36] seems like it's stuck somewhere... [10:36] doesn't go out of this [10:36] nothing funny before? [10:37] no, everything was working just fine, and I was using tseng's repo's before, oh wel.. [10:37] imean in strace [10:38] <- shower === mvo_ [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:39] I'll check and let you know [10:39] mvo_: morning [10:39] hi sivang [10:39] hi all === sivang wonders how come his theme changes so much after last night's upgrade [10:41] fabbione: I saw the grub mail even if mdz didn't. working on it now(ish) [10:47] Kamion: cool, i am talking with Anderw Morton that is asking why we are having this problem and pushing for the noexec fix for 2.6.11 [10:47] they scheduled for 2.6.12 but that was not clear from the first emails [10:47] seb128: any idea why my theme changed completely after last night's upgrade? ;-) [10:47] seb128: and the mousr cursoe became plain old X's insteaf of the gnome one? [10:48] Kamion: i think anyway that grub is not the only that needs to be fixed [10:49] sivang: what theme are you using ? [10:49] fabbione: there are extraordinarily few applications that this affects; if grub isn't the only one, it's almost certainly the only one we care about [10:49]