[12:00] <apokryphos> For installing RPMs, I do a "alien *.rpm", and then what? Konqueror opens it in archive manager....
[12:00] <snowblink> geppy: you didn't make your modules?
[12:00] <Phoenix[SPH] > smsmasters: just a note, you might consider reading some security material before putting an apache into the web...
[12:00] <geppy> I'm assuming I did initrd incorrectly, if this is what helps with modules?
[12:00] <smsmasters> what security material
[12:00] <goldfish> how to secure an apache web server maybe
[12:00] <Phoenix[SPH] > holotone: well, it's about mignight over here... but there are some folks around that will help you :)...
[12:00] <smsmasters> i need to know how to setup write permissions
[12:00] <randabis> apokryphos, why are you using rpms?
[12:01] <kirk-code> hey guys. i'm having a bit of a problem here..
[12:01] <holotone> One more question, if I want to install Unbuntu (which it's looking like I will) What's the best way to get it installed as a dual boot w/ the XP pro that's already on my laptop? When I start from scratch, should I make the partitions and install XP first, or Ubuntu, so that the boot manager can do it's thing?
[12:01] <apokryphos> randabis: to install, naturally ;)
[12:01] <randabis> anyway, besides that, alien converts rpms into debs
[12:01] <holotone> thanks pheonix
[12:01] <randabis> apokryphos, install what?
[12:01] <mjr> holotone, XP first
[12:01] <geppy> TheMuso:  Any advice? =)
[12:01] <apokryphos> randabis: I noticed. That's what I did first; don't know what to do with the .deb (I'm new to Debian systems).
[12:01] <snowblink> geppy: did you make modules?
[12:01] <Phoenix[SPH] > smsmasters: like an apache manual, linux manual - you don't want an exploitable webserver do you?
[12:02] <randabis> dpkg -i debname.deb
[12:02] <holotone> do I need to make two partitions right from the start then?
[12:02] <apokryphos> randabis: This time j2re (I already had the RPM in a folder), but I'm sure there's other stuff I'll need to install
[12:02] <holotone> Sorry, newb here, if it isn't obvious already.
[12:02] <geppy> snoblink:  Yes, I built the realtime-lsm module.
[12:02] <mcphail> holotone: 3 (one for swap)
[12:02] <randabis> that's probably not going to work right...you should use the bin not the rpm
[12:02] <kirk-code> this was tested with: ubuntu live, beatrix(which is ubuntu based). right after i configure my networking, applications would stop loading. meaning, i go to execute gaim, and it would say "starting gaim" and then it would disappear and nothing would happen... this is not network apps limited, it's also in regular apps
[12:02] <hizz> hm
[12:02] <blah09> ok
[12:02] <holotone> how big a swap partition?
[12:03] <blah09> twice your ram
[12:03] <holotone> and how much room should I allow for Ubuntu and any further expansion I may do with it??
[12:03] <blah09> anyone here have ubuntu on a laptop with an ALPS touchpad?
[12:03] <goldfish> I do.
[12:03] <blah09> did you manage to get the scroll ares working?
[12:03] <blah09> areas*
[12:03] <kirk-code> can anyone help me with the problem i just noted?
[12:03] <mcphail> holotone: how long is a piece of string?
[12:04] <kulaki> hi, network-admin couldn't setup my modem dialer correctly. the version i have is 1.1.90 hoary. it seems that it doesn't save the setting properly. i'm using wvdial instead. i wanted to turn on my connection using the new modem monitor. any idea?
[12:04] <geppy> snowblink:  I built the realtime-lsm module.
[12:04] <goldfish> hrmm... nope i haven't im afraid.
[12:04] <holotone> well, I'm just saying on average, give my self a bit of room, but not go overboard.
[12:04] <blah09> =/
[12:04] <blah09> did the the noirq thing work btw?
[12:04] <snowblink> geppy: when you were compiling your kernel. You did make dep; make modules; make modules_install?
[12:05] <geppy> snowblink: Oh, no.  I just ran make modules_install
[12:05] <bitfoo> snowblink, what does that do o_O
[12:05] <mcphail> holotone: I use 20 gig with plenty spare. If you format winXP as FAT32 you can read and write from that partition as well
[12:05] <goldfish> holotone: i installed ubuntu from winxp, i just gave myself 20 gigs for ubuntu
[12:05] <randabis> heh you have to make the modules before you can install them :/
[12:05] <geppy> snowblink:  It didn't say to run 'make dep' or 'make modules' in the INSTALL or README files, but I guess that they assumed you should know that. =)
[12:05] <geppy> randabis:  haha =)
[12:05] <holotone> perfect, thanks.
[12:05] <bitfoo> holy crap maybe that is why my custom kernel didnt load ati drivers or wireless driver, all i did was make oldconfig
[12:05] <bitfoo> :|
[12:05] <geppy> I shall soon return, then.
[12:06] <randabis> I think make dep is deprecated in the 2.6 series
[12:06] <Phoenix[SPH] > bitfoo: oldconfig just updates .config... nothing more...
[12:06] <bitfoo> ;[
[12:06] <snowblink> randabis: This is my first 2.6 and I haven't compiled my own kernel on ubuntu yet
[12:06] <mcphail> Isn't there a 2.6 HOWTO?
[12:07] <kirk-code> this was tested with: ubuntu live, beatrix(which is ubuntu based). right after i configure my networking, applications would stop loading. meaning, i go to execute gaim, and it would say "starting gaim" and then it would disappear and nothing would happen... this is not network apps limited, it's also in regular apps --> im not sure it relates to the network config directly
[12:07] <randabis> I find it easier just to use kernel-package.
[12:07] <farruinn> snowblink: have you read the debian howto? I'd imagine the process would be similar
[12:08] <snowblink> farruinn: Not yet. No need to compile a kernel on Ubuntu so far.
[12:08] <holotone> Am I going to have any problems getting my wireless up and running in Ubuntu? I've heard that linux is notorious for being a pain in the ass w/ wireless networking..
[12:08] <cozman> is there any information available on what to do if upon booting the ubuntu CD to install, the splash screen is half missing, and upon hitting enter, it initializes then just goes all black (assumably when the installation switches to a GUI)
[12:09] <farruinn> ubhuti hardware support
[12:09] <ubhuti> well, hardware support is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupport
[12:09] <farruinn> holotone: ^^^
[12:09] <randabis> holotone, depends on your wireless card/chipset
[12:10] <randabis> there's a list of compatible wireless cards/chipsets in the ubuntu wiki complete with their status "out of the box"
[12:10] <cozman> I'm using a Radeon Mobility that should be supported
[12:10] <farruinn> cozman: that's normal
[12:10] <holotone> where's the ubuntu equivilant of device manager so I can check it out?
[12:10] <holotone> I actually forgot which chipset I've got.
[12:10] <cozman> farruinn, what do I do?
[12:10] <dbt`veritas> so if i want to change my default os to windows can i just pico/vi/whatever the menu.lst file and reboot and it'll then goto my new os or do i have to do something different?
[12:11] <farruinn> cozman: does the screen go completely black and doesn't do anything? The installer is textual
[12:11] <farruinn> holotone: Computer>System Configuration>Device Manager
[12:11] <mcphail> dbt`veritas: yes
[12:12] <dbt`veritas> thanks
[12:12] <goldfish> Can you get transparency on these terminals? the setting in profile doesn't seem to work for me :/
[12:12] <cozman> well the splash is corrupted, but I hit enter anyway, and then it loads vmlinuz and does some stuff (way too fast to catch)
[12:12] <holotone> bcm94306
[12:12] <holotone> broadcom
[12:12] <cozman> then it says something along the lines of "starting..." and goes to nothing but black
[12:13] <blah09> ok, anything i should take note of before doing a dist-upgrade to hoary?
[12:13] <goldfish> cozman: ubuntu not boot into gui mode?
[12:13] <jaza> ROFL U MUST ALL SEE THIS LMFAO !!!
[12:13] <jaza> http://db.playego.com.br/orafiles/01122005120941567g.swf
[12:13] <jaza> omg ROFL
[12:13] <holotone> there's an entry for  BCM4306, which is stated that it doesn't work out of box
[12:14] <holotone> is that the same family of chipset as mine?
[12:14] <Phoenix[SPH] > cozman: you might tell ubuntu to boot without framebuffer support - but dunno how....
[12:14] <randabis> http://forums.graalonline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31061
[12:14] <cozman> goldfish: no, a corrupted GUI, some quick text, then nothing
[12:14] <jaza> http://db.playego.com.br/orafiles/01122005120941567g.swf
[12:14] <jaza> rofl
[12:14] <farruinn> goldfish: I believe cozman is booting the install cd however
[12:14] <cozman> yes, I am
[12:15] <farruinn> jaza: we got it the first time, thanks
[12:15] <jaza> u c it?
[12:15] <jaza> omg LMFAO
[12:15] <goldfish> i installed ubuntu yesterday and i got the same blank screen after it started gnome
[12:16] <randabis> http://img221.exs.cx/img221/4492/desktop2eh.jpg
[12:16] <cozman> goldfish: during the install?
[12:16] <goldfish> i got it fixed by logging into recovery mode and running 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86' and setting it up there, then startx
[12:16] <jaza> wow whos desk is that
[12:16] <goldfish> oh no
[12:16] <jaza> thats leet
[12:16] <blah09> is that an eterm?
[12:17] <goldfish> cozman: everything installed ok
[12:17] <goldfish> cozman: it just wouldnt boot into gui
[12:17] <randabis> that's my desk :)
[12:17] <jaza> how
[12:17] <randabis> no, that's Terminal, not eterm
[12:17] <jaza> is that ubuntu?
[12:17] <cozman> oh, this is during the install, it just hangs
[12:17] <goldfish> sorry i missed the question
[12:17] <randabis> yes it's ubuntu
[12:17] <snowblink> farruinn: where can I find the Deb kernel howto?
[12:17] <jaza> wtf?
[12:17] <goldfish> cozman: ah sorry :/
[12:17] <jaza> howd u do that
[12:17] <jaza> theme?
[12:17] <jaza> where do u get them
[12:17] <randabis> read the console, it says hoary :p
[12:17] <jaza> :P
[12:17] <farruinn> snowblink: check www.debian.org/docs. I can't remember if there is one specifically for compiling the kernel, but I do know that there are some pages in the install manual
[12:17] <jaza> hoary sux
[12:18] <randabis> it's XFCE 4.2
[12:18] <randabis> no it doesn't
[12:18] <randabis> it rawks my sox
[12:18] <jaza> how do i get hoary lol
[12:18] <jaza> upgrade or os
[12:18] <jaza> ?
[12:18] <blah09> randabis thats an eterm isnt it?
[12:18] <randabis> you don't need hoary to do what I did, but read the faqs
[12:18] <randabis> blah09, no
[12:18] <blah09> oh?
[12:19] <blah09> so are you gonna share the secret? ;)
[12:19] <randabis> Terminal
[12:19] <blah09> ive been trying to get eterm to look like that but it refuses
[12:19] <randabis> an xfce app
[12:19] <blah09> oh
[12:19] <blah09> is it apt-gettable?
[12:20] <blah09> sorry can't check, apt is tied up doing a dist-upgrade
[12:20] <snowblink> farruinn: cheers. Will take a look at the weekend
[12:20] <cozman> got it, thanks everyone for trying to help :)  it was actually covered in the help on the installer, I found the line to use my 4th read oer
[12:20] <farruinn> snowblink: ok, good luck with it =)
[12:20] <randabis> blah09, possibly, but I installed it with the graphical installer at www.xfce.org
[12:20] <Anubis> I have the k7 kernel and with it X crashes
[12:21] <Phoenix[SPH] > randabis: doesnt get the media player into the way down the screen?
[12:21] <farruinn> blah09: I didn't find it with apt-cache search :/
[12:21] <holotone> thanks for the help, ya'll, I'm sure I'll be back around during the big install.
[12:21] <holotone> Thanks
[12:21] <goldfish> Do i need to install a plugin to play .swf files?
[12:21] <blah09> oh =(
[12:21] <oMega505> hey guys, i got a question about how to start a script at startup.
[12:21] <blah09> yeah you do
[12:21] <oMega505> i dloaded wifi_radar
[12:22] <blah09> do a sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[12:22] <randabis> Phoenix[SPH] , do what?
[12:22] <blah09> (@goldfish)
[12:22] <goldfish> blah09: cheers
[12:22] <oMega505> how do i make it startup automatically at boot time?
[12:22] <Phoenix[SPH] > randabis possibly mean a "Gnome Terminal"... eterm is a *Terminal*
[12:22] <farruinn> oMega505: if it's not critical it runs at boot you can put it into your gnome session
[12:23] <Phoenix[SPH] > okay... I just read it isn't :)
[12:23] <oMega505> farruinn, i did that, but it didnt work
[12:23] <mcphail> oMega505: might be easiest to add to crontab
[12:23] <randabis> Phoenix[SPH] , the program is called TERMINAL
[12:23] <oMega505> it has to be run with sudo
[12:23] <randabis> it's not gnome-terminal or eterm
[12:23] <Phoenix[SPH] > blah09: apt-cache should work regardless....
[12:23] <mcphail> oMega505: root crontab
[12:24] <randabis> to answer your question, the media player doesn't get in the way
[12:24] <blah09> ah yeah thanks
[12:24] <blah09> terminal - a Terminal Emulator for GNUstep
[12:24] <blah09> that one?
[12:24] <randabis> the Terminal window is a fixed size
[12:24] <HaRDaWaY> hi
[12:24] <randabis> blah09, I don't know...like I said, I didn't apt-get it
[12:25] <oMega505> uhh hehe, where is crontab?
[12:25] <oMega505> :p
[12:25] <mcphail> oMega505: crontab -e
[12:25] <Phoenix[SPH] > randabis: so gaim docks nicely and a gkrellm would no be able to function as dock?
[12:26] <mcphail> oMega505: Then insert: @reboot /path/to/script
[12:26] <randabis> sure
[12:26] <oMega505> mcphail, thanks!
[12:26] <ian_brasil> ola...trying to get midi working on a fresh install ...any docs/links for me to look at
[12:27] <Phoenix[SPH] > randabis: when you work some more in the terminal, the prompt is at the bottom of the terminal window, and if the media player is on top of the terminal you won't see what you are typing....
[12:27] <farruinn> ian_brasil: there is a nice howto at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8736
[12:28] <ian_brasil> thx farruinn
[12:28] <Phoenix[SPH] > randabis: where does the terminal "border"?
[12:28] <randabis> it's a fixed size, and only uses about a quarter of the screen
[12:29] <randabis> i never have an problems with xmms overlapping the terminal
[12:29] <Phoenix[SPH] > randabis: okay, I got it - it's borderless
[12:29] <geppy> Alright.  I've run make bzImage and make modules.  The INSTALL for the realtime-lsm says to run 'lilo', but I'm wondering what the grub equivalent of this would be?  grub-install, with special parameters?
[12:30] <HaRDaWaY> hi, i have a problem, when i compile kernel 2.6.10-2 of ubuntu, i have vesa fb, and i put: vga=791...but console not appears...anybody have idea?
[12:30] <randabis> editting menu.lst should be all you have to do
[12:31] <geppy> randabis:  Alright.
[12:31] <Phoenix[SPH] > geppy: make modules_install and copy your arch/i386/boot/bzImage to /boot/yourkernelname (vmlinuz-2.6.x)
[12:32] <geppy> Phoenix[SPH] :  Alright. =)
[12:32] <geppy> What do I need to do about initrd?  Just run mkinitrd?  Any parameters, or anything?
[12:32] <geppy> Other than the output file, of course.
[12:33] <randabis> mkinitrd initrdname.img kernelname
[12:33] <geppy> randabis:  Thanks.
[12:34] <randabis> I "think it's .img
[12:34] <randabis> check /boot to be sure
[12:34] <geppy> randabis:  Yeah, it is. =)
[12:43] <zenrox> LinuxJones,  warty booted but xdint come up right
[12:43] <zenrox> i know why too
[12:43] <LinuxJones> why ?
[12:44] <zenrox> xfree wasnt configured for my built in vod card
[12:44] <zenrox> vid
[12:44] <zenrox> that ant a prob
[12:44] <zenrox> tho
[12:44] <LinuxJones> heh
[12:44] <zenrox> but it will not boot with the nv fx5200
[12:45] <zenrox> knoppix loves the nv fx5200 tho
[12:46] <zenrox> so ubuntu dont like that vid card
[12:46] <zenrox> it ends in a kernel panic
[12:46] <zenrox> then locks up
[12:47] <zenrox> even the ubuntu live cd dont boot up
[12:47] <zenrox> i even put the vid card in to another pci slot
[12:47] <zenrox> still nothing
[12:48] <farruinn> zenrox: this is warty?
[12:48] <zenrox> yep
[12:48] <kirk-code> Hey ppl, after setting the network in the live CD, Ubuntu won't let me run any new program. Does anyone know of the reason and how to fix ?
[12:48] <zenrox> warty hangs on starting hotplug
[12:48] <zenrox> when nv fx5200 in in the sys
[12:49] <farruinn> zenrox: what if you boot in rescue mode?
[12:49] <zenrox> same thang
[12:49] <zenrox> hangs on starting hotplug
[12:49] <zenrox> farruinn,  will you be on lator
[12:49] <zenrox> i gots to go to wrok
[12:50] <zenrox> in 10 mins
[12:50] <farruinn> yeah, I'll probably be around
[12:50] <zenrox> knoppix uses the vid just fine
[12:50] <zenrox> its what is displaying x atm
[12:51] <cavediver> Hi! Does anyone manage to install Firefox 1 and Thunderbird 1 in Warty AMD64 ?
[12:51] <gollum> How can i activate my root account in ubuntu?
[12:51] <zenrox> hmm so i know it ant a bad vid card
[12:51] <cavediver> gollum: sudo passwd root
[12:51] <zenrox> or disabling the built in one on my mobo
[12:51] <gollum> thanks
[12:51] <zenrox> its not hardware
[12:51] <zenrox> that much i know
[12:51] <zenrox> but ubuntu warty just wont boot
[12:52] <zenrox> if the card in hooked up
[12:52] <gollum> And one more thing, i run xmms and i can`t get some sound out of my speakers, what can be wrong? I get a error on xmms.
[12:52] <cavediver> Man i don't like Firefox 0.8 :/ And don't want Hoary either..
[12:52] <geppy> gollum:  try 'killall esd'
[12:52] <LinuxJones> cavediver, you can download and install firefox from the mozilla website
[12:52] <vrecan> cavediver have you tried just grabing the linux gui installer from their site
[12:52] <gollum> i says no prosess runs thats named esd.
[12:53] <geppy> gollum: ah, alright.
[12:53] <vrecan> it worked just fine for me
[12:53] <geppy> gollum:  What error does XMMS give you?
[12:53] <gollum> Hmm, hold on,
[12:53] <cavediver> I've tried that, however id didn't start the installer when I ran the script.
[12:53] <vrecan> did you make sure its executable?
[12:54] <cavediver> i think so. Will try again.
[12:54] <gollum> Check that: The soundcard is correctly configured... No other program blocks the sound, and something about output.
[12:54] <kirk-code> can anyone help me with this??
[12:54] <kirk-code> Hey ppl, after setting the network in the live CD, Ubuntu won't let me run any new program. Does anyone know of the reason and how to fix ?
[12:54] <vrecan> cavediver make sure to start it in term with sudo ./filename
[12:54] <cavediver> I get this: ./firefox-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:54] <vrecan> hmm
[12:54] <vrecan> just have to grab it then from synaptic
[12:55] <neom> I couldn't ssh to my server from work -> home today, and I was sitting just racking my brains as to what it could be. And I got home, and I was fucking around with the box, I rebooted it, reinstalled sshd, etc etc.
[12:55] <neom> And then I realized the ethenet cable had falled out of the back of the router. :(
[12:55] <cavediver> vrecan: libgtk-x11 you mean ?
[12:55] <gollum> greppy, should i use esound, OSS or alsa?
[12:55] <geppy> neom: haha
[12:55] <gollum> none of em works.
[12:55] <janc> cavediver : use ubuntu-bp.sf.net repository to get FF 1.0
[12:55] <geppy> gollum:  Do you want to have sound from other applications, as well?
[12:55] <geppy> gollum:  you might as well go with ESD
[12:55] <gollum> Yeah
[12:56] <geppy> gollum:  Yeah, use ESD.
[12:56] <cavediver> janc: Does that work on the AMD64 version ?
[12:56] <gollum> I just need to have sound on my computer, but im using xmms to test.
[12:56] <janc> ah, probably not
[12:56] <gollum> i get same error with esound
[12:56] <cavediver> janc: I think I've tried it and it didn't work
[12:56] <geppy> gollum:  Can you copy and paste the error?
[12:56] <gollum> Check that: The soundcard is correctly configured... No other program blocks the sound, and something about output.
[12:56] <neom> Is there a command to view the dependencys of an application?
[12:57] <goldfish> gollum: are u on a dell machine?
[12:57] <gollum> Yes i am
[12:57] <goldfish> k
[12:57] <gollum> Laptop
[12:57] <gollum> howcome?
[12:57] <goldfish> i had that problem
[12:57] <cavediver> I can't find libgtk-x11 package either.
[12:57] <gollum> What did you do ?
[12:57] <goldfish> i'll tell u how to fix it now
[12:57] <goldfish> one sec :)
[12:57] <gollum> Ok, thanks
[12:57] <mike998> gollum: I have that problem too
[12:57] <mike998> dell inspiron 1150
[12:57] <blah09> neom you could try apt-get install -s
[12:58] <neom> k
[12:58] <gollum> Dell Inspiron 510m
[12:58] <gollum> :D
[12:58] <blah09> 500m here
[12:58] <blah09> you guys having the no sound/wifi problem?
[12:58] <mike998> now if the wireless router would arrive, I could test the wireless
[12:58] <mike998> hehe
[12:58] <goldfish> ah blah09 told me how to fix it
[12:59] <goldfish> i can't remember now
[12:59] <goldfish> :)
[12:59] <blah09> lol
[12:59] <blah09> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:59] <goldfish> that's the one :)
[01:00] <mike998> i did borrow a 802.11a wireless access point and a pcmcia card but ubuntu doesn't know how to appy power to it.  It seems to be a known error... but not fixed
[01:00] <gollum> Hmm *waiting for the help to arrive*
[01:00] <blah09> behind the line that says #nonaltoptions
[01:00] <blah09> insert "acpi=noirq"
[01:00] <blah09> without the ""
[01:00] <gollum> I can`t find any wlan with my card in ubuntu, but i got my own router so i know it is one avaible.
[01:00] <blah09> save and exit
[01:00] <goldfish> gollum: there what blah09 said
[01:00] <gollum> ok
[01:00] <gollum> holdo n
[01:00] <gollum> ;)
[01:00] <blah09> sudo update-grub
[01:00] <blah09> then reboot
[01:00] <mike998> ohhh
[01:01] <neom> "This APT has Super Cow Powers" LOL
[01:02] <neom> -never- noticed that before.
[01:02] <blah09> lol
[01:02] <pepperpot> neom, where does it say that?
[01:02] <neom> apt --help
[01:02] <buga> neom: try running `apt-get moo' :)
[01:03] <mike998> heh
[01:03] <mike998> that's funny
[01:03] <pepperpot> neom, what package is apt in?
[01:03] <neom> ~~easteregg~~
[01:03] <ubhuti> neom: I give up, what is it?
[01:04] <pepperpot> lol
[01:04] <neom> That is really cool.
[01:04] <pepperpot> is that from ubuntu or debian?
[01:04] <pepperpot> the super cow powers
[01:04] <neom> ubuntu, hoary.
[01:04] <pepperpot> i saw the cow and i think i'm using warty
[01:05] <mike998> i saw a cow and i am on warty
[01:05] <geppy> mkinitrd... sudo mkinitrd vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386-real -o initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-386-real
[01:05] <geppy> that's not working.
[01:05] <snowblink> It's a Debian cow
[01:05] <neom> hoary seems very stable to me.
[01:05] <geppy> How do I specify which kernel to use for mkinitrd?
[01:05] <neom> I'm not pushing it too hard yet though.
[01:06] <mike998> works like a champ for me
[01:06] <mike998> this laptop is only a week or so old... it only ran WinXP for long enough for me to check all the hardware was working
[01:06] <mike998> then I pulled out my Ubnuntu CDs...
[01:07] <gollum> What should i write in the menu shit again?
[01:07] <geppy> (18:00:12) blah09: behind the line that says #nonaltoptions
[01:07] <geppy> (18:00:15) blah09: insert "acpi=noirq"
[01:07] <geppy> (18:00:19) blah09: without the ""
[01:07] <crimsun> remember to ,,sudo update-grub'' afterward.
[01:07] <gollum> i did so, and i rebooted and when i looked at the file the shit aint there anymore.
[01:08] <snowblink> geppy: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd-2.blahblah.img
[01:08] <gollum> that shit didnt work :(
[01:08] <geppy> snowblink: But how do I specify the kernel to use for building it?  I think I've found the answer on redhat.com
[01:08] <neom> How does everyone pronouce debian? Cause I say deb ee en, and a guy at work says dee bain.
[01:08] <geppy> neom:  It's a mix of "deborah" and "ian"
[01:09] <neom> So i is deb ian
[01:09] <geppy> Right.
[01:09] <pepperpot> should name a kid that
[01:09] <geppy> like "deb ee en"
[01:09] <pepperpot> lol
[01:09] <neom> I'm smack cliff tomorrow when he says dee bian.
[01:09] <geppy> hahaha
[01:10] <thully> Hi - I wondered if anyone here who runs hoary has had major breakage after a dist-upgrade (meaning, X doesn't start, or you can't log on)?
[01:10] <neom> X didn't start for me.
[01:10] <geppy> snowblink: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrdblahblah 2.6.<rest-of-desired-kernel-designation>
[01:10] <geppy> thully:  X is broken.
[01:10] <geppy> Or, that's what the topic says.
[01:10] <mike998> I had some problems with packages not working... can't remember what they were, but I decided to reinstall rather than fix it
[01:10] <crimsun> thully: yes, but not due to Hoary (rather, due to over 1 GB PC133 dying on me).
[01:11] <Imbroglio> quick question, what's default root password?
[01:11] <crimsun> there isn't one.
[01:11] <Imbroglio> :/
[01:11] <geppy> Imbroglio:  Use your user password
[01:11] <mike998> it's the same as the first user you create
[01:11] <Imbroglio> ahh okay
[01:11] <pepperpot> maybe i should try upgrading to hoary from debian sid. Right now I'm running warty off another partition, to try it out. I think I'm ready to let go of debian on this machine.
[01:11] <geppy> Imbroglio: 'sudo' is powerful fun. =)
[01:11] <Imbroglio> makes sense
[01:12] <Imbroglio> every other distro ever used asked for a root password
[01:12] <geppy> heh
[01:12] <AndyR> thully, i havent seen that
[01:12] <thully> Well - I heard X was fixed yesterday
[01:12] <geppy> Yeah.
[01:12] <neom> When I did the upgrade I had to do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade after the first reboot.
[01:12] <Imbroglio> hate how they default the cray
[01:12] <gollum> why did the line disapear again?
[01:12] <gollum> I think im going to go to hell some day
[01:12] <gollum> :o
[01:12] <eruin> anyone able to recommend a good p2p client?
[01:12] <neom> Actually no, I guess it was sudo apt-get -f install.
[01:12] <geppy> eruin:  limewire?
[01:12] <thully> well, if I go in here and ask "Is there any major breakage" before doing a dist-upgrade that contains major updates, am I safe?
[01:12] <eruin> o.O thx
[01:13] <crimsun> gollum: please see what I typed regarding update-grub.
[01:13] <pepperpot> hehe limewire
[01:13] <geppy> Just out of curiosity, when did /etc/grub/grub.conf move to /etc/grub/menu.lst?
[01:13] <gollum> i did do that
[01:13] <eruin> geppy: should I get it off limewire.com ?
[01:13] <mike998> gollum: were you editing the file as the sudo user?
[01:14] <gollum> Yes
[01:14] <TreadingSoftl1> Hi folks. Has anyone managed to get RealPlayer working on hoary?
[01:14] <gollum> i did everything u guys told me to by line
[01:14] <pepperpot> is it worth getting limewire pro?
[01:14] <spacey> any idea why i can't find the openoffice.org2 package in hoary?
[01:14] <thenuke> is limewire good p2p?
[01:14] <TreadingSoftl1> spacey: i believe it's in universe
[01:14] <goldfish> eruin: azureus ! torrents!
[01:14] <geppy> eruin:  Yes.
[01:14] <thenuke> I need some p2p-software for my sister
[01:14] <pepperpot> noooo not torrents
[01:14] <geppy> pepperpot:  No./
[01:14] <Xirdneh> eruin, giFT with, Ares and Gnutella plug ins is goof
[01:14] <Xirdneh> good
[01:14] <spacey> TreadingSoftl1, its in main but i have main and universe
[01:14] <kirk-code> Hey ppl, after setting the network in the live CD, Ubuntu won't let me run any new program. Does anyone know of the reason and how to fix ?
[01:14] <crimsun> TreadingSoftl1: (no, it's in main)
[01:14] <neom> thully - You whould be safe.
[01:15] <gollum> I need help, im desperate after music and rest of my programs needs sounds! :)
[01:15] <spacey> i can find openoffice.org2-common but i can't find -core
[01:15] <TreadingSoftl1> crimsun: i stand corrected :)
[01:15] <goldfish> kirk-code: i got the same problem, i just ran all the stuuf before i set the net connection :)
[01:15] <geppy> Xirdneh:  I've never figured out how the hell to use GiFT.  Perhaps it's firewall problems, but I set up port-forwarding like it asked me to.
[01:15] <spacey> i don't understand
[01:15] <mike998> all the torrent sites I used to use have gone away
[01:15] <crimsun> spacey: (that, too, is in main)
[01:15] <goldfish> torrentspy.com is a good search one
[01:15] <kirk-code> goldfish: really? so this is a bug?
[01:15] <eruin> goldfish: I already use torrents
[01:15] <eruin> I want p2p too :-)
[01:15] <crimsun> spacey: make sure your apt proxy is current if you're using one
[01:16] <spacey> crimsun, i don't use apt-proxy
[01:16] <goldfish> kirk-code: I have no idea, but i had the problem, i have moved to the install disk now.
[01:16] <spacey> besides i pull updates for hoary everyday
[01:16] <kirk-code> goldfish: it works on disk ?
[01:16] <spacey> so its updated allright
[01:16] <crimsun> spacey: what does ,,apt-cache policy openoffice.org2-core'' reveal?
[01:16] <goldfish> kirk-code: What works?
[01:16] <gollum> If anyone can help me with my sound drivers on my dell (its a sigmatel card) please /msg me!
[01:16] <goldfish> kirk-code: oh everything is fine on install
[01:16] <kirk-code> goldfish: i see. however in knoppix everything seems to work fine, you know ?
[01:16] <spacey> crimsun, no real info
[01:17] <goldfish> kirk-code: nah im a complete linux noob i think it is a bug
[01:17] <kirk-code> i think maybe i should issue the ifconfig command myself
[01:17] <Xirdneh> geppy, well i just install it with giFTcurs client, dont do anithing in the setup just the basic, plug ins and stuff, just make giftd -v and wait, then start giFTcurs and all worked out fine
[01:17] <crimsun> gollum: the parameter (without the quotes) is placed at the end of the line beginning with # kopt=, which for me, is line 62 of /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:17] <niptac> Hi guys, how do I compile gaim? are there any instructions on how to compile things?
[01:17] <gollum> crimsun: huh? say what? :)
[01:17] <kirk-code> niptac: make;make test;make install --
[01:17] <geppy|busy> niptac:  ./configure; make; sudo make install
[01:17] <spacey> crimsun, could it be that some file is corrupted
[01:17] <RalfG> why you want to compile it?
[01:17] <crimsun> niptac: sudo apt-get build-dep gaim && apt-get -b source gaim
[01:18] <geppy|busy> niptac:  Read the INSTALL file
[01:18] <niptac> ok thanks will read the Install
[01:19] <steve> does anyone know how I can get my laptp to hibernate
[01:19] <steve> the ACPI is on
[01:19] <crimsun> gollum: sudo $EDITOR /boot/grub/menu.lst, scroll down to the line beginning with # kopt=, and append  acpi=noirq to the end
[01:20] <steve> okay, when I want to hibernate, then what do I do
[01:20] <TreadingSoftl1> spacey: browsing through archive.ubuntu.com, this may be the file you're looking for: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org2/openoffice.org2-core_1.9.66-0ubuntu8_i386.deb
[01:21] <TreadingSoftl1> Any hoary and realplayer users around?
[01:21] <crimsun> TreadingSoftl1: 10 gold update 1 or something, yeah.
[01:23] <TreadingSoftl1> crimsun: did you have to do anything different to get it working? I followed the instructions from the unofficial guide, which worked for warty. But realplayer command doesn't do much (strace reveals it stops at a WAITPID). Seems others have the same problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7017.html So what did you do different?
[01:26] <crimsun> TreadingSoftl1: I didn't follow the unofficial guide, so I'll need a few minutes to trace the instructions it recommends.
[01:26] <spacey> TreadingSoftl1, yes somehow apt doesn't see it. maybe some apt file is corrupted
[01:26] <TreadingSoftl1> crimsun: ah okay, thanks :)
[01:27] <TreadingSoftl1> spacey: maybe they pulled it out temporarily because of a problem with the package ...?
[01:27] <niptac> RalfG: I want to compile it cause the latest gaim 1.1.2 is not available in apt sources, and in http://gaim.sourceforge.net/downloads.php there is no .deb package available
[01:28] <niptac> bye bye now ;)
[01:28] <spacey> TreadingSoftl1, then you couldn't find it on the mirror ?
[01:28] <crimsun> niptac: do you mean for Warty?
[01:28] <niptac> crimsun: yes
[01:29] <crimsun> niptac: 1:1.1.1-2ubuntu6 is available in Hoary
[01:29] <TreadingSoftl1> no - i mean maybe they pulled it out of the package list for hoary, but left it in place in pool ... but i don't know ... i'd need to check the list .. and my apt is busy updating at the moment
[01:29] <spacey> there is also some warty backport site
[01:29] <niptac> I know but that would have to be backported?
[01:29] <spacey> not sure how good those packages are though
[01:29] <crimsun> niptac: if you can wait 10-15 minutes, I can generate a backport for it.
[01:29] <niptac> I was adviced here not to use backports
[01:29] <niptac> ok
[01:30] <spacey> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ ?
[01:30] <crimsun> ubuntu-bp's packages are horribly versioned.
[01:30] <spacey> ah
[01:30] <TreadingSoftl1> spacey: firefox backport worked fine, for what it's worth
[01:30] <gort_> does natilus have a command that will recursively create thumbnails without having to open up each dir?
[01:30] <spacey> TreadingSoftl1, i use hoary :)
[01:30] <spacey> hoary is pretty stable now fortunaly:)
[01:30] <crimsun> the reason we don't recommend using them is their versioning will cause havoc when dist-upgrading from Warty to Hoary.
[01:30] <TreadingSoftl1> spacey: me too, on my laptop
[01:30] <jasonf> I'm having a strange problem
[01:30] <jasonf> grub pauses at "Grub loading stage 1.5" for about 30 seconds before loading a menu
[01:30] <crimsun> jasonf: you're always having strange problems :p
[01:31] <jasonf> any idea why / how to speed it up
[01:31] <TreadingSoftl1> spacey: hence broken RealPlayer tho :(
[01:31] <spacey> jasonf, its in the grub config file
[01:31] <jasonf> crimsun: same strange problem as before, just hoping to actually get a resolution this time
[01:31] <spacey>  /boot/grub
[01:31] <jasonf> spacey: no, it's not
[01:31] <TreadingSoftl1> crimsun: fair enough on the recommendation; but isn't it best to dist-upgrade from a fresh warty installation anyhow?
[01:31] <spacey> oh
[01:31] <spacey> =P
[01:31] <jasonf> spacey: it take it 30 seconds to LOAD GRUB, not to load the default config
[01:32] <crimsun> TreadingSoftl1: certainly.
[01:32] <gollum> thanks guys
[01:32] <spacey> ahja wierd
[01:32] <gollum> !! :)
[01:32] <crimsun> TreadingSoftl1: granted, some of us actually take care in our backports to version the packages correctly so a smooth dist-upgrade occurs.
[01:32] <gollum> <3
[01:32] <goldfish> gollum: WOO!
[01:32] <gollum> ;)
[01:32] <goldfish> gollum: New to linux?
[01:32] <gollum> Just got some ppl thats saying other things in the same room as me, and i trusted them, but they just told me crap
[01:32] <gollum> :)
[01:32] <gollum> goldfish: naw, just not that good yet ;)
[01:33] <goldfish> ah right
[01:33] <goldfish> I only using it for 2 days
[01:33] <gollum> Ok;)
[01:33] <goldfish> It's hard to get used to.
[01:33] <goldfish> This channel helps alot though.
[01:33] <gollum> I used it for 2 years, but have used windows between
[01:33] <goldfish> ah right
[01:34] <will> any one here used freenet?
[01:34] <jasonf> hrm
[01:34] <jasonf> lets ask a different question:
[01:35] <jasonf> is there an easy way to switch from lilo to grub on an ubuntu system with multiple kernels, dual booting with windows
[01:36] <crimsun> niptac: any particular reason you want the latest upstream version?
[01:37] <niptac> crimsun I thought it would fix a bug, there is a problem in gaim it's set by default to "Away" and I cannot change it to any other mode.
[01:38] <crimsun> niptac: are you positive 1.1.2 resolves that?
[01:38] <andrewski> what package provides those nice white cursors (the default ones)?
[01:38] <jasonf> niptac: that's NotABug
[01:38] <niptac> not sure
[01:38] <niptac> jasonf: no?
[01:38] <jasonf> niptac: probably a corrupted profile on your end
[01:38] <LinuxJones> jasonf, do you still have grub installed ?
[01:38] <jasonf> niptac: go to #gaim
[01:38] <jasonf> LinuxJones: yes
[01:38] <jasonf> LinuxJones: scrollback to read my problems with grub though
[01:39] <niptac> jasonf: every1 is asleep there
[01:39] <jasonf> "it pauses at "loading stage 1.5" for about 30 seconds, then loads as normal"
[01:39] <jasonf> niptac: patience.
[01:39] <crimsun> niptac: I am extremely hesitant to create a backport for which a Warty security update exists
[01:39] <niptac> ok
[01:39] <MLimburg> well, i finally got my ATI drivers to work .. now the next issue .. where's my sound :P
[01:39] <jasonf> niptac: you aren't paying people to help you, so you have to wait :)
[01:39] <jasonf> LinuxJones: so what do I do?
[01:39] <niptac> that's a good point ;)
[01:40] <goldfish> bash: whois: command not found
[01:40] <goldfish> Am I just stupid?
[01:40] <crimsun> goldfish: sudo aptitude install whois
[01:40] <LinuxJones> jasonf, you can change those settings in gdm-setup
[01:40] <goldfish> crimsun: k
[01:40] <LinuxJones> jasonf, go back to grub first
[01:40] <jasonf> LinuxJones: what does GDM have anything to do with grub?
[01:41] <jasonf> LinuxJones: I haven't touched my grub install at all -- it works atm, although annoyingly slow
[01:41] <LinuxJones> jasonf, I thought you might have set a delayed login or something
[01:42] <jasonf> LinuxJones: this guy has the same prob as me
[01:42] <jasonf> LinuxJones: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8499&highlight=grub+stage+1.5
[01:42] <andrewski> does anyone know which package provides the default cursor theme?
[01:42] <jasonf> LinuxJones: it's a problem with the *bootloader* taking ages to load
[01:42] <jasonf> and apparently lilo doesn't have that problem
[01:42] <Deltaoo> LinuxJones:: Help !!!
[01:43] <jasonf> but I'm afraid to switch to lilo, for fear of something breaking
[01:44] <LinuxJones> jasonf, did you do a system upgrade to update all of your packages ?
[01:44] <LinuxJones> Deltaoo, what's wrong ?
[01:44] <jasonf> LinuxJones: I'm running hoary. I've done all the "stupid little fix" things.
[01:44] <Cloudchaser> hey if i get cedega for 3 months, can i cancel it after the 3 months? they only have 3 months on the renewing option..for non-renewing its only 6 months
[01:44] <LinuxJones> jasonf, Hoary :D
[01:44] <jasonf> Cloudchaser: buy the renewing and cancel it.
[01:45] <Anubis> lot of stuff I use seems broken in Ubuntu?:(
[01:45] <Cloudchaser> ok just wanted to make sure i could cancel it after 3 months
[01:45] <Anubis> Like
[01:45] <Anubis> gdekslets
[01:45] <Anubis> giFT
[01:45] <Anubis> with FastTrack and Gnutella plugins
[01:45] <Anubis> also
[01:45] <MLimburg> yeah i cant get gdesklets to run straight from apt-get
[01:46] <MLimburg> its on my to-do list to look into
[01:46] <Anubis> while doing intensive things like installing apps, my music play is interrupted
[01:46] <snowblink> gdesklets runs fine on warty
[01:46] <MLimburg> not all of us are on warty
[01:46] <MLimburg> oh
[01:46] <MLimburg> hang on
[01:46] <MLimburg> yes i am
[01:46] <Anubis> I used the one in the repositories
[01:46] <jasonf> LinuxJones: ah-ha!
[01:46] <jasonf> LinuxJones: I think I know the problem
[01:46] <Anubis> which is very old
[01:46] <MLimburg> dont worry about me .. i need coffee
[01:46] <Anubis> gdesklets
[01:46] <LinuxJones> Don't complain if you run Hoary :)
[01:47] <jasonf> LinuxJones: grub by default looks for a floppy drive -- I have none
[01:47] <thully_> hi - I'm rsyncing a hoary install image now - how do I tell how long rsyncing will take?
[01:47] <Anubis> Warty
[01:47] <MLimburg> yeah i'm on warty .. i keep getting them mixed up :P
[01:47] <jasonf> LinuxJones: gotta love gentoo forums :) they usually have an answer to everything
[01:47] <Anubis> can i "complain" now?
[01:47] <mike998> there is a how to on the forums on how to get gdesklets running
[01:47] <Anubis> mike998, link please?
[01:47] <mike998> uhhh
[01:47] <snowblink> Anubis: what problems with gdesklets?
[01:47] <mike998> hang on
[01:47] <jasonf> LinuxJones: so now my question is: any easy way to switch from grub to lilo
[01:47] <MLimburg> cool .. ta mike998
[01:47] <njan> jasonf, why would you want to?
[01:48] <mike998> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3012&highlight=gdekslets
[01:48] <Anubis> snowblink, I'll get back with you after I try to install and use the latest version
[01:48] <kirk-code> Hey ppl, how can I add TTF fonts (From Windows) to my existing LIVECD Ubuntu ??
[01:48] <Anubis> but the one in the repositories crashed
[01:48] <snowblink> Anubis: I'm using straight out of the warty repos
[01:48] <Anubis> and did not come with the gdeklet shell cmd?
[01:48] <jasonf> njan: grub has issues on my system -- it takes >30sec to load a menu
[01:48] <snowblink> Anubis: 0.26.2
[01:48] <Anubis> snowblink, WOW
[01:48] <blah09> wow hoary is nice
[01:48] <LinuxJones> jasonf, apt-get install lilo && dpkg-reconfigure lilo
[01:49] <jasonf> LinuxJones: it'll copy over all the information in my grub.conf?
[01:49] <snowblink> Anubis: yup. gdesklets whatever.display
[01:49] <jasonf> LinuxJones: i.e. windows dual boot and all that
[01:49] <mike998> Anubis, check the link I posted
[01:49] <mrproper> I am having a hard time getting my PCI wireless card working in Ubuntu 4.10.  Could someone help me?
[01:49] <kirk-code> can anyone help me ?
[01:49] <LinuxJones> jasonf, it used to work the other way around in Debian, I can't say for sure in Ubuntu but I woudl assume so :)
[01:49] <Anubis> mike998, doing so now
[01:50] <mdz> jasonf: no, if you install lilo, you need to configure it
[01:50] <kirk-code> Can I add TTF Fonts to a Ubuntu running from LiveCD ?
[01:50] <Anubis> snowblink, I installed all the displays from the reposite
[01:50] <mrproper> So could someone help me (I hit the wrong button)?
[01:50] <jasonf> mdz: will a kpkg still automatically add the kernel to the list?
[01:50] <snowblink> Anubis: you have to start one instance of gdesklets running first
[01:50] <mdz> jasonf: no
[01:50] <Anubis> snowblink, do i have to type gdesklet display for evereyone?
[01:50] <mdz> jasonf: these are the reasons why grub is preferred over lilo
[01:50] <snowblink> Anubis: AFAIK yes
[01:50] <Anubis> and which directory did synaptic hide them in?
[01:50] <jasonf> mdz: that's horrible. Blegh.
[01:51] <TreadingSoftl1> kirk-code: yes that is possible; there is a command to add fonts to X for a session
[01:51] <mike998> meh I prefer gkrellm
[01:51] <jasonf> mdz: well then, possibly you could help me resolve my grub issue
[01:51] <Anubis> snowblink, thats why the gdesklet shell was nice
[01:51] <LinuxJones> jasonf, your system works ok except for this error ?
[01:51] <kirk-code> TreadingSoftl1, great... HOW ?
[01:51] <mdz> jasonf: I can show you where to report a bug
[01:51] <snowblink> Anubis: /usr/share/gdesklets/
[01:51] <Deltaoo> LinuxJones : I go the Anjuta installed with the glade stuff. I tried make a simple project but it keeps complaining about stuff like auto config.. etc.. so I did the synaptic stuff.. but now I cant find what its complaining about ...but it is..
[01:51] <Anubis> snowblink, thx
[01:51] <jasonf> LinuxJones: yes, it works perfectly -- I'm 99.999% sure it has to do with my system
[01:51] <LinuxJones> Deltaoo, install build-essential
[01:51] <jasonf> lack of floppy drive
[01:52] <jasonf> if grub is not compiled with --no-floppy it scans for a floppy whenever it loads
[01:52] <jasonf> which is probably what is causing my hang
[01:52] <blah09> does anyone know whether hoary has the alps drivers yet?
[01:52] <LinuxJones> jasonf, I would just put up with the 30 second boot delay, file a bug and it will eventually be squashed :)
[01:52] <snowblink> Anubis: I'm looking forward to the new gdesklets, but I can wait until April. ;)
[01:52] <mdz> it only looks for a floppy when you run the grub command-line tools; that has nothing to do with when your system boots
[01:52] <kirk-code> TreadingSoftl1, can u help me with this? existing fonts really make me sick
[01:52] <Anubis> snowblink, why not install from source?
[01:52] <Anubis> because
[01:53] <anusaya> Is there an online list of packages in "main"?
[01:53] <jasonf> LinuxJones: you have NO IDEA how much a pain it is -- I dual boot and have to boot into windows whenever my gf asks me to (we both have webcams)
[01:53] <Anubis> gdesklets /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/XXXX/ZZZZ.display
[01:53] <Anubis> seems like a hassle
[01:53] <jasonf> mdz: hrm. Well that was the only usefulness I got from googling.
[01:53] <Deltaoo> LinuxJones, Whats it mean in synaptic when there's a little ubuntu logo next to the name?
[01:53] <jasonf> I guess I'll just file a bug
[01:53] <jdub> Deltaoo: that the package is supported
[01:53] <mike998> Anubis: In the beginning... was the command line
[01:53] <Anubis> lol
[01:53] <Deltaoo> jdub, : Thanx
[01:53] <TreadingSoftl1> kirk-code: not an expert; enough trouble getting new fonts to work with installed linux; but i believe once you've got the fonts together in an accessible directory, you can add that directory to places X looks for fonts with the "xset" command
[01:53] <farruinn> anusaya: you can browse archive.ubuntu.org or use the apt-cache command
[01:53] <blah09> oh does anyone know how i can pin an app to the desktop>
[01:53] <snowblink> Anubis: Not that fussed. Once they are running that's it.
[01:53] <blah09> ?
[01:53] <blah09> specifically, Eterm
[01:54] <Anubis> thats why I suggest installing the latest from source
[01:54] <jasonf> Anubis: and you can probably add that line to your xinit
[01:54] <Anubis> via cli
[01:54] <LinuxJones> Deltaoo, you can do a search for build-essential then install it when it comes up
[01:54] <anusaya> farruinn: thx
[01:54] <Anubis> jasonf, that was my next question will I have to do that everytime I load Gnome?
[01:54] <Anubis> if so
[01:54] <mrproper> How can I turn on a  wireless card in Ubuntu 4.10?
[01:54] <Anubis> I think I'll get the latest from the site
[01:54] <farruinn> anusaya: or synaptic really
[01:55] <FAST> anyone else have problems installing mplayer?
[01:55] <Anubis> no
[01:55] <TreadingSoftl1> kirk-code: if that works, the you can go on and reset the font cache with fc-cache -vf
[01:55] <jasonf> Anubis: google about xinit on ubuntu
[01:55] <mike998> mrproper: if the drivers are present, you should be able to see it from Computer > System Configuration > Networking
[01:55] <blah09> FAST>
[01:55] <farruinn> mrproper: check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[01:55] <mrproper> mike998: I can see it in Networking.  What now?
[01:55] <Anubis> also the nvidia driver install does not work for all kernels
[01:55] <blah09> did you check ubuntuguide.org
[01:55] <anusaya> farruinn: I haven't installed ubuntu. Just wondering what's supported before I take the plunge
[01:56] <mike998> mrproper: right click, properties and fill in all the relevant information
[01:56] <farruinn> anusaya: ah, I see, well dpkg/apt is awesome
[01:56] <mike998> I haven't had a chance to try it yet
[01:56] <mrproper> mike998: I did that, but it just itmes out or something.
[01:56] <Anubis> Linux ubuntu 2.6.8.1-4-k7 #1 Fri Jan 14 11:40:53 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:56] <Anubis> especially this kernel
[01:56] <Anubis> I had to do it with the Nvida script
[01:56] <steve> does anyone know how I can get myp linux laptop to hibernate
[01:56] <mike998> try me in about a week after my router arrives
[01:56] <Potn> rteni magyar?
[01:56] <mdz> Anubis: it works for others
[01:57] <blah09> wow i like that they split the menu into Places and Desktop
[01:57] <mrproper> mike998: I'm trying to enable it now.
[01:57] <goldfish> If you alter /etc/apt/sources.list do i have to update anything or just reboot?
[01:57] <mike998> mrproper: you may want to check your logs to ensure that there is nothing there that will help you
[01:57] <Anubis> mdz, weird
[01:58] <jasonf> brb
[01:58] <kirtis> goldfish, just apt-get update
[01:58] <Anubis>    gDesklets 0.26.2    	 (April 30th, 2004)
[01:58] <Deltaoo> as a side question question.. does anyone know why the touchpad on my laptop is not accepting double taps as a left-button double click?
[01:58] <steve> again, anyone know how I can get my linux laptop to hibernate
[01:58] <goldfish> kirtis: cheers
[01:58] <Anubis>  gDesklets 0.33.1    	 the current release (January 9th, 2005)
[01:58] <goldfish> sugar
[01:59] <mike998> steve: check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM
[01:59] <steve> thanks
[01:59] <goldfish> is nsdiwrapper a package?
[01:59] <mrproper> mike998: I'm getting "timeout waiting for mgmt response"
[01:59] <mrproper> Then I'm getting "mgmt tx queue is still full
[02:00] <mdz> goldfish: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[02:00] <LinuxJones> goldfish, yeah ndiswrapper-utils
[02:00] <steve> Mike is this going to matter that I am on Warty
[02:00] <goldfish> mdz: ta
[02:00] <mike998> steve: I don't know
[02:00] <steve> well, we shall see
[02:00] <mike998> mrproper: can't help you, I'm afraid... you are now officially beyond my knowledge
[02:01] <mrproper> mike998: Yeah, okay thanks.
[02:01] <Deltaoo> LinuxJones, Is there a collection of lib files// I seem to have to add it libTHIS and libTHAT every so often?? What am I doing wrong??
[02:02] <Anubis> the gtk-gnutella in the reposite is old so it doesnot connect
[02:02] <LinuxJones> Deltaoo, did you install build-essential ?
[02:02] <Anubis> giFT is totally useless
[02:02] <Anubis> so I have lost my fileshare ability for the moment
[02:02] <Anubis> and I refuse to use Limewire
[02:03] <_slice_> nicotine?
[02:03] <blah09> anyone here use xine?
[02:03] <Anubis> why are these packages so old?
[02:03] <Anubis> I guess I better join the forums;)
[02:03] <LinuxJones> Anubis, what distro did you use before Ubuntu ?
[02:03] <Anubis> nicotine is for soulseek right?
[02:03] <Deltaoo> yes
[02:03] <_slice_> anubis: yep
[02:03] <Anubis> MDK 10.1 recently
[02:03] <Anubis> I was not impressed with soulseek
[02:04] <snowblink> Anubis: gtk-gnutella is lastest stable isn't it?
[02:04] <Anubis> for peer to peer with someone you know sure
[02:04] <mdz> Mandrake 10.1 is older than Ubuntu 4.10
[02:04] <Anubis> but once someone disconnects you lose them as a sourcce
[02:04] <LinuxJones> Deltaoo, maybe a real programmer can help you :)
[02:04] <Anubis> and nicotine does not seem smart enough to swarm?
[02:04] <crimsun> snowblink: if it's the missing binary issue in Hoary, I know about it.
[02:04] <Anubis> snowblink, that gtk-gnutella in the reposite is old, its still in ggtk1
[02:05] <Anubis> the latest uses gtk2
[02:05] <mdz> Deltaoo: any necessary libraries are automatically installed for you when you install new (packaged) programs
[02:05] <snowblink> crimsun: you have me mixed up with someone else
[02:05] <Anubis> I'll be back
[02:05] <Anubis> I have to take a break
[02:05] <Anubis> this has been an all day thing
[02:05] <crimsun> snowblink: I don't think so; I was simply stating that preemptively.
[02:05] <Anubis> but I really like the package mangement of Debian/Ubu
[02:06] <nuOpus> Delatoo: You must configure the touchpad to accept the double clicks
[02:06] <Deltaoo> I have not even started with the coding?  When I follow the project wizard through and click the finish.. it goes an does stuff.. but then it fails.. :((
[02:06] <snowblink> crimsun: I'm curious. What was I going to ask?
[02:06] <nuOpus> Delatoo: You must have the synaptic touchpad driver installed and add lines to your X configuration file. Ubuntu does not do this by default
[02:06] <crimsun> snowblink: note the "preemptively."
[02:07] <snowblink> crimsun: pre-emptive kernel issues in something. I'm sorry. I'm very lost. :(
[02:08] <Deltaoo> hi.. when you synaptic pm where does it download to >>
[02:08] <crimsun> snowblink: (this discussion has nothing to do with kernel preemption but rather my stating something that you might have found informative if you had intended to ask about the missing-binary issue in the gtk-gnutella package)
[02:08] <Martok> Hey, how do I install my serial mouse?
[02:09] <Martok> Do I need serial mouse support in my kernel?
[02:09] <nuOpus> well the packages are installed automatically Deltaoo
[02:09] <snowblink> crimsun: right. I'm using gtk-gnutella just fine. There is a missing binary?
[02:09] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: BUT the packages are placed in /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:09] <crimsun> snowblink: in Hoary, yes. It's "fixed" pending upload.
[02:09] <FAST> here is the error i get when doing  sudo apt-get install mplayer-fonts
[02:09] <FAST>  ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
[02:09] <FAST> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[02:09] <FAST> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[02:09] <FAST> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[02:09] <FAST> ## repository.
[02:09] <FAST> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[02:09] <FAST> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[02:09] <FAST> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[02:09] <FAST> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[02:10] <FAST> ## team.
[02:10] <FAST> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[02:10] <FAST> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[02:10] <crimsun> FAST: please don't flood here, thanks. :)
[02:10] <LinuxJones> lol
[02:10] <FAST> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[02:10] <FAST> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[02:10] <FAST> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[02:10] <FAST> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[02:10] <FAST> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[02:10] <FAST> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[02:10] <Martok> Whoa, he's not stopping.
[02:10] <FAST> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[02:10] <Deltaoo> nuOpus, Thanx? is there a need to delete them> to save space?
[02:10] <FAST> deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/ warty-backports main universe
[02:10] <LinuxJones> go fast go
[02:10] <FAST> shit
[02:10] <FAST> sorry
[02:10] <Martok> I think he's trying to help someone.
[02:10] <crimsun> FAST: please read /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:11] <goldfish> Has anyone d/loaded tux racer via apt-get?
[02:11] <blah09> anyone else upgrade from warty to hoary and find that synaptic is broken?
[02:11] <Martok> Anybody know about how I'd get my serial mouse installed?
[02:11] <FAST> it was an accident that i pasted that
[02:11] <neom> broken how blah09?
[02:11] <blah09> yeah =/
[02:11] <blah09> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:11] <blah09>   synaptic: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 but it is not installable
[02:12] <neom> Do you have universe?
[02:12] <blah09> thats the error when i apt-get install synaptic
[02:12] <blah09> yep
[02:12] <neom> Why would you apt-get synaptic?
[02:12] <blah09> because synaptic won't run
[02:12] <blah09> as in, when i type it in it gives an error
[02:12] <blah09> file not found
[02:13] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: You can type sudo apt-get clean
[02:13] <Martok> Anybody know how I can get my serial mouse detected?
[02:13] <blah09> hm i have multiverse but not universe, strange, would a dist-upgrade mess with my sources?
[02:13] <Deltaoo> is there a real player fo linux? or should I use another?
[02:13] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: It will remove those packages for you ... to save space
[02:13] <Deltaoo> nuOpus,
[02:13] <Deltaoo> thanx
[02:13] <blah09> yes there is
[02:13] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: Yes. Go to real.com
[02:13] <blah09> somewhere on ubuntuguides.org theres a guide
[02:13] <Martok> Does anybody else use a serial mouse?
[02:14] <Martok> Or is that too old school?
[02:14] <nuOpus> Martok: LOL I would rather move the mouse by touching wires together
[02:14] <blah09> lol
[02:14] <nuOpus> Martok: Just kidding
[02:14] <LinuxJones> heh
[02:14] <Martok> I'm doing a project.
[02:14] <Deltaoo> will the Totem application work?
[02:15] <neom> You should have universe & multiverse.
[02:15] <Martok> Where I'd need 2 mice at the sametime.
[02:15] <Deltaoo> as a side question question.. does anyone know why the touchpad on my laptop is not accepting double taps as a left-button double click?
[02:15] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: I have not had much luck with totem
[02:15] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: You must install the gstreamer ffmpeg package in order to get it to play things
[02:15] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: Yes
[02:15] <blah09> oh i do
[02:15] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: I use ubuntu on laptop
[02:15] <blah09> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe
[02:15] <blah09> right on top i didnt notice
[02:15] <Martok> nu0pus: You're lucky I can fight my homacidal urges.
[02:16] <goldfish> hey guys, when i do 'apt-get install ndiswrapper', where does the .inf file go?
[02:16] <blk_> hi im trying to get framebuffer support for the console on my ubuntu warty box - is this possible? tnx
[02:16] <goldfish> Call "sudo ndiswrapper -i foobar.inf" where foobar.inf is the path to your inf-file.
[02:16] <Deltaoo> nuOpus, does the double tap on the touchpad work??
[02:16] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: yes
[02:17] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: You must configure the synaptic touchpad driver
[02:17] <goldfish> or does apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils install it all for me?
[02:17] <Deltaoo> mine don't :( any ideas
[02:17] <mcphail> goldfish: the inf file is with the Windows driver
[02:17] <nuOpus> well . is it a synaptic?
[02:17] <goldfish> hmm...
[02:17] <nuOpus> most in laptops are
[02:17] <mcphail> goldfish: you need the windows driver for your card
[02:17] <goldfish> right
[02:17] <Deltaoo> nuOpus, what do you synaptic?
[02:18] <goldfish> How teh hell do i get that mcphail ?
[02:18] <goldfish> ack
[02:18] <nuOpus> Well synaptic package manager and synaptic touchpad are different
[02:18] <nuOpus> I think warty installed the synaptics touchpad driver by default
[02:18] <liquidhex> Hey
[02:18] <liquidhex> my MBR got wiped out
[02:18] <mcphail> goldfish: usually from the install disk or manufacturer's website
[02:18] <LinuxJones> goldfish,  you need to download it from the manufacturers website
[02:19] <goldfish> ah right
[02:19] <liquidhex> how can i boot into my ubuntu partition and reinstall grub?
[02:19] <Anubis> gtk-gnutella_0.95.0-0_i386.deb
[02:19] <goldfish> cheers
[02:19] <altan> http://www.jrw6.net/gnome.png <--- see the little app shortcuts he has by the post-it icon? How can I get them to be on two lines rather than one?
[02:19] <liquidhex> i dont have the installcd
[02:19] <blah09> strange
[02:19] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: Are you using Warty or Hoary?
[02:19] <Anubis> can I use this package?
[02:19] <blah09> synaptic is dead =(
[02:19] <blah09> root@loki:/ # synaptic
[02:19] <blah09> bash: synaptic: command not found
[02:19] <nuOpus> ouch
[02:20] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: If you are using Warty release, cd to /usr/share/doc/xfree86-driver-synaptics
[02:20] <Deltaoo> I think its Warty
[02:20] <nuOpus> and read the Readme
[02:20] <farruinn> blah09: did you try installing the package that's causing the problem?
[02:20] <blah09> yep
[02:20] <blah09> it says it has no installation candidate
[02:20] <nuOpus> read the README.Debian file
[02:20] <snowblink> Anubis: yes
[02:20] <Anubis> gtk-gnutella_0.95.0-0_i386.deb can I use this?
[02:20] <nuOpus> you have to add a bunch of lines
[02:20] <Anubis> snowblink, how?
[02:20] <farruinn> blah09: did you do a dist-upgrade?
[02:21] <blah09> yep
[02:21] <Cloudchaser> i really hate that applications aren't put onto the menu most of the time in ubuntu
[02:21] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: That should get it working
[02:21] <snowblink> Anubis: dpkg
[02:21] <blah09> from warty to hoary
[02:21] <nuOpus> Cloudchaser: Ya I know
[02:22] <mdz> blah09: that synaptic package you were trying to install is not from Hoary
[02:22] <mdz> it looked like you were trying to install the Warty synaptic on Hoary
[02:22] <mdz> which won't work
[02:22] <Cloudchaser> is that fixed in hoary?
[02:22] <blah09> hm the only warty repository i have in my sources is the backports one
[02:22] <mdz> blah09: that'd be the problem
[02:22] <farruinn> blah09: ah, that'd be it
[02:22] <mdz> that backports repository has buggy packges in it
[02:22] <blah09> oh
[02:23] <nuOpus> blah09: DOH!
[02:23] <blah09> heh
[02:23] <mcphail> Cloudchaser: synaptic tells me I've got over 900 installed packeages. The menu would be HUGE.
[02:23] <blah09> is there a hoary equivalent or is it now unnecessary?
[02:23] <nuOpus> blah09: You dont need the hoary backports if you are switching to hoary
[02:23] <blah09> oh those are hoary backports?
[02:23] <blah09> now that i didnt know =)
[02:23] <liquidhex> I can't boot into ubuntu, another OS wiped out GRUB! How can I get a boot disk so I can mount my linux partition and reinstall grub?
[02:23] <mdz> liquidhex: use the live CD
[02:23] <liquidhex> i lost it
[02:23] <Deltaoo> nuOpus how do I open the readme
[02:23] <timothy> does anyone know how to get a quicktime plugin in firefox in ubuntu?
[02:23] <liquidhex> isnt there a floppydisk image?
[02:24] <nuOpus> The ubuntu backports are for warty users to get updated packages from Hoary ... like Firefox 1.0
[02:24] <Anubis> snowblink, dpkg --help lots of options, none seem straight forward
[02:24] <nuOpus> Deltaoo: type less filename
[02:24] <Anubis> I just want to install this app
[02:24] <snowblink> Anubis: dpkg -i yourpackage.deb
[02:24] <blah09> ahhh synaptic is installing =)
[02:24] <blah09> thanks everyone
[02:24] <nuOpus> blah09: What did you do?
[02:24] <Anubis> snowblink, will this break my warty?
[02:24] <blah09> got rid of the entry for the backports
[02:24] <nuOpus> blah09: LOL
[02:24] <Cloudchaser> well there still has to be a better way..if i install an app i want it to go into the menu
[02:24] <snowblink> Anubis: nope. You should be good.
[02:25] <goldfish> Anyone know what card is inside a Dell 8600 ?
[02:25] <blah09> you still have xp installed?
[02:25] <Deltaoo> nuOpus, What do  I do then?
[02:25] <nuOpus> Cloudchaser: I notices that most of the package maintainers seem to not like to add .desktop files for their packages in debian based distros
[02:26] <blah09> anyway goldfish it should be stated in your device manager
[02:26] <Cloudchaser> i installed point2play and cedega and there's supposed to be a transgaming entry with point2play in it
[02:26] <nuOpus> Cloudchaser: A lot of the packagers for Fedora or SuSE and most other RPM based distros seem to do a good job at creating entries for most packages
[02:26] <Croccifixio> guys where did eyequeue disappear?
[02:26] <goldfish> blah09: oh that to me, yeah i have xp
[02:26] <stuNNed> hi, what do i need installed for windows file sharing to work via network-admin?
[02:26] <nuOpus> Cloudchaser: But debian maintainers .. ubuntu too? seem to be lazy
[02:26] <Anubis> snowblink, why is'nt this file in the repository?!?
[02:26] <goldfish> blah09: is there a device manager in ubuntu?
[02:27] <Cloudchaser> its just one more little annoying thing i guess
[02:27] <snowblink> Anubis: Warty was frozen some time ago - only security updates now.
[02:27] <blah09> yes
[02:27] <blah09> its in administration
[02:27] <blah09> in one of the menus
[02:27] <blah09> i already forgot what its called in warty
[02:27] <goldfish> sorry man im still n00btarded
[02:27] <Anubis> snowblink, so has everyone fled to Hoary?
[02:28] <snowblink> anubis: If you want cutting edge, then go to hoary. I'm happy on a stable warty system.
[02:28] <goldfish> blah09: It's called Device Manager, heh.
[02:28] <blah09> ohoh....
[02:28] <Anubis> snowblink, also once installed will synaptic see it to uninstall it?
[02:28] <blah09> sound broke too
[02:28] <snowblink> Anubis: yes it should
[02:29] <blah09> did that one faulty entry just nuke my whole install? =/
[02:29] <blah09> although... system sounds still work
[02:30] <randabis> running hoary :)
[02:30] <randabis> http://img221.exs.cx/img221/4492/desktop2eh.jpg
[02:31] <mdz> blah09: caution is definitely advisable when adding entries to sources.list; you are trusting that repository with the integrity and security of your system
[02:31] <Cloudchaser> hmmm i installed point2play and cedega but point2play doesn't seem to see it, so i hit the get newest version button and it downloaded it again..very odd
[02:31] <blah09> yeah i think i've learnt that lesson today =/
[02:33] <neom> I've yet to have an issue with hoary.
[02:33] <neom> Synaptic froze today for like, 10 seconds when I tried to exit it, but that's about it.
[02:33] <Deltaoo> ok. so how do I get real player to play a video online?
[02:33] <blah09> xmms stopped working
[02:33] <blah09> and xine also has no sound
[02:35] <crimsun> blah09: are they all set to use esd?
[02:35] <blah09> alsa
[02:35] <Croccifixio> anybody here used vsftpd?
[02:35] <blah09> aha
[02:35] <blah09> is esd new?
[02:36] <crimsun> no, it has been the default sound config since before Warty
[02:36] <blah09> oh i thought it was alsa
[02:36] <blah09> is esd newer on the whole?
[02:37] <crimsun> well, technically yes, Ubuntu Warty uses ALSA, but GNOME uses EsounD, which uses ALSA's OSS emulation.
[02:37] <Anubis> damn
[02:37] <Deltaoo> ok. so how do I get real player to play a video online?
[02:37] <blah09> oh
[02:37] <blah09> ok sound works everywhere now i think
[02:37] <Anubis> this gtk-gnutella package is compiled with gtk1 not 2!?! wtf for?!
[02:37] <crimsun> there is movement to replace EsounD in GNOME with polypaudio. This may or may not make it in time for Hoary (probably not given the lateness).
[02:38] <blah09> thanks
[02:38] <LinuxJones> Deltaoo, click the file in firefox and when it asks to open the file or save to disk specify the a path to your real player installation binary
[02:38] <mcphail> Deltaoo: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
[02:41] <blah09> awesome, looks like the search for the perfect distro is over =)
[02:42] <randabis> cool
[02:43] <FAST> does it take a long time to do an  apt-get dist upgrade  from warty to hoary?
[02:44] <jdub> depends on your 'net connection
[02:44] <FAST> broadband
[02:44] <jdub> it's quite a few hundred megs, depending on what you've installed
[02:44] <FAST> ok
[02:44] <jdub> broadband doesn't say anything about speed :)
[02:44] <FAST> what about the live cd
[02:44] <blah09> mine was 600mb
[02:44] <FAST> can you install from the live cd?
[02:44] <jdub> no, you can't
[02:44] <FAST> ok
[02:46] <neom> Is limewire nix compatable?
[02:47] <LinuxJones> neom, yes it is
[02:47] <neom> Can't find it in synaptic?
[02:47] <LinuxJones> neom, there is a howto somwhere on the ubuntu website but you have to install java
[02:48] <neom> :\
[02:48] <LinuxJones> neom, which seems to be a real pain
[02:48] <neom> Is there any other p2p that isn't as..complicated to install?
[02:48] <Deltaoo> boohoo.. whats that link to the real player faq??
[02:48] <blah09> ubuntuguide.org
[02:49] <blah09> http://ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
[02:49] <FAST> installing java wasn't difficult
[02:51] <FAST> anyone happen to know what file the winamp equalizer presets are stored in?  so i can import into xmms
[02:51] <LinuxJones> FAST, they wouldn't sound the same even if you could import them
[02:52] <FAST> snap :\
[02:52] <FAST> there IS an import option in xmms to load a winamp preset list
[02:52] <FAST> hmm i just did it!
[02:52] <FAST> and they work just fine
[02:53] <LinuxJones> great
[02:53] <goldfish> heh
[02:53] <randabis> cool
[02:53] <FAST> Winamp.q1  was the file
[02:53] <randabis> I need some presets for xmms
[02:53] <FAST> if anyone wants to trty
[02:53] <randabis> I suck with eqs lol
[02:53] <FAST> you want me to dcc you the file to import them?
[02:53] <randabis> sure
[02:54] <FAST> i haven't tried dcc-ing anything yet, dunno if it will work behind the router
[02:54] <Deltaoo> Hi. when I try and open a video(realplay) it sez could not find appropriate hxplay in system path...
[02:54] <randabis> yeah it's just sitting there
[02:55] <FAST> ok
[02:55] <FAST> just get this then,    http://members.cox.net/lafolieverte/Winamp.q1
[02:56] <goldfish> any .wma to .mp3 conertors for ubuntu?
[02:56] <goldfish> *convertors
[02:56] <crimsun> goldfish: via mplayer, yes.
[02:56] <blah09> dont the w32codecs include wma?
[02:56] <imaek> Hi
[02:56] <Deltaoo> Hi. when I try and open a video(realplay) it sez could not find appropriate hxplay in system path... WHys that? and when I click it from menu sez no sucj file
[02:56] <imaek> I was wondering, how do you install fonts in Ubuntu?
[02:57] <randabis> cool
[02:57] <randabis> thanks
[02:57] <FAST> np
[02:57] <randabis> I wonder if it would be safe to use my current /home partition with freebsd...
[02:58] <crimsun> imaek: Warty or Hoary?
[02:58] <neom> How do I get an transparent borderless windowless terminal on my desktop?
[02:58] <raydogg_> I'd be willing to bet no randabis
[02:58] <imaek> crimsun: Warty.
[02:58] <crimsun> imaek: in Nautilus, drag fonts into fonts:///
[02:58] <randabis> heh yeah I figured as much
[02:58] <blah09> is current hoary running Xorg already?
[02:58] <imaek> Ok, thanks.
[02:58] <crimsun> blah09: yes.
[02:58] <FAST> is there a hoary iso out that isn't the live cd ?
[02:58] <randabis> yes
[02:59] <randabis> there are daily hoary snapshots, as well as array 3
[02:59] <Deltaoo> Hi. when I try and open a video(realplay) it sez could not find appropriate hxplay in system path... WHys that? and when I click it from menu sez no sucj file
[02:59] <crimsun> array 4 is out, too.
[02:59] <blah09> ah ok i hadnt noticed
[02:59] <imaek> Does anyone happen to know where the font "Fixedsys" resides on a windows machine?
[02:59] <crimsun> (please test!)
[02:59] <randabis> ah didn't notice array 4 was released
[02:59] <jdahlin> Hi, are Secure Card type flash cards (SD) readers supported in ubuntu?
[02:59] <FAST> can you get the hoary iso and upgrade warty from it ?
[02:59] <goldfish> When i turn on transparency in terminal settings it won't work. Anything i can do to get transparency?
[02:59] <mdz> FAST: there are daily install and live CDs, and bi-weekly milestones
[02:59] <crimsun> goldfish: how are you setting the backdrop?
[02:59] <randabis> fortunately I've had no need to reinstall hoary :)
[02:59] <mdz> FAST: yes, you can upgrade using the CD, but it isn't very simple
[02:59] <FAST> ok thanks
[03:00] <mdz> FAST: upgrading from hoary with a CD will be easier
[03:00] <blah09> which reminds me, is it possible to pin windows e.g. an eterm to the desktop?
[03:00] <randabis> you guys are wanting something like this huh? (terminal peeps)
[03:00] <randabis> http://img221.exs.cx/img221/4492/desktop2eh.jpg
[03:00] <blah09> lol
[03:00] <blah09> yes.
[03:00] <blah09> i almost got it too
[03:00] <goldfish> crimsun: eh.. well i went into profeil clicked on the transparecny box
[03:00] <goldfish> *profile
[03:00] <Mantle> i can't get modprobe to install the ndiswrapper module, but ndiswrapper shows that my card is detected and running... any ideas?
[03:00] <goldfish> gah my typing !
[03:00] <neom> Whats the terminal ftp command to send a file to the ftp server?
[03:00] <raydogg_> how come mplayer isn't in the repositories?
[03:00] <crimsun> raydogg_: /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:01] <crimsun> raydogg_: unofficial rationale there
[03:01] <raydogg_> k
[03:01] <Deltaoo> Hi. when I try and open a video(realplay) it sez could not find appropriate hxplay in system path... WHys that? and when I click it from menu sez no sucj file
[03:02] <mdz> raydogg_: multiverse
[03:02] <blah09> randabis: http://server3.uploadit.org/files/hizz99-eterm.jpg
[03:02] <kirtis> neom, Probably 'put'.. but it's been a while.  Use scp if you can.
[03:02] <neom> send seemed to work.
[03:03] <goldfish> Do you have to d/l any extra files to get transparency to work on the standard terminal that comes with ubuntu?
[03:03] <randabis> blah09, cool, I likes my yellow though :p seems to fit the color scheme well
[03:03] <blah09> i used Eterm for mine
[03:03] <geppy> Where does apache2 store web files
[03:03] <Mantle> i can get my (broadcom) card working in knoppix using ndiswrapper, but not in ubuntu.. can anyone help?
[03:03] <randabis> I use Terminal
[03:03] <blah09> heh yellow wouldnt work with mine methinks
[03:03] <kirk-code> can anyone help me about adding TTF fonts (from windows) to a ubuntu running form liveCD ?
[03:03] <randabis> red might :p
[03:03] <wm_eddie> goldfish: It can do sort-of transparency
[03:04] <goldfish> blah09: Full transparency with Eterm?
[03:04] <blah09> yep
[03:04] <randabis> full transparency with eterm, aterm, Terminal
[03:04] <goldfish> righteo
[03:04] <wm_eddie> blah09: using Xorg?
[03:04] <randabis> possibly with gnome-terminal too, but I haven't figured out how to remove the window borders
[03:04] <blah09> apparently i am now =)
[03:05] <randabis> you're still running gnome 2.8...
[03:05] <blah09> thats the one i made during the dist-upgrade
[03:05] <blah09> so it was on xfree
[03:05] <randabis> ah
[03:05] <randabis> :)
[03:05] <imaek> When I drag a font into "fonts:///" in Natalus, nothing happens. What am I doing wrong?
[03:05] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, you can install msttcorefonts and get the common MS fonts on your system
[03:06] <crimsun> imaek: TrueType font, correct? have you logged back into GNOME?
[03:06] <geppy> where does apache 2 store files?
[03:06] <imaek> Correct, crimsun.
[03:06] <imaek> No, I have not.
[03:06] <Mantle> when i run "modprobe ndiswrapper" it complains "module ndiswrapper doesn't exist"... how can i see if the problem is ndiswrapper or modprobe?
[03:06] <imaek> Should I?
[03:06] <encryptio> geppy: /var/www by default.
[03:06] <popey> geppy, have a look in the apache config in /etc/apache2 to find out
[03:06] <popey> usually /var/www
[03:06] <geppy> thanks
[03:06] <chillywilly> hey I just tried to get the live cd to boot but it did not like my onboard nvidia video
[03:06] <geppy> there's no public_html, is that okay?
[03:06] <crimsun> chillywilly: the latest live cd? see the topic? ;)
[03:06] <imaek> crimsun: I will restart xserver, be right back.
[03:06] <crimsun> argh, topic already changed
[03:07] <chillywilly> hoary image url?
[03:07] <randabis> Mantle, I think you need to do ndiswrapper -e first (or something, check ndiswrapper --help)
[03:07] <chillywilly> I am burning the install cd now
[03:07] <randabis> might be -m
[03:07] <crimsun> 19:31 -!- Topic for #ubuntu: Ubuntu Help | FAQ: ... || things that are broken include: X on Array 3, Hoary live CD
[03:07] <soulsyphon> ftp install was fun
[03:08] <chillywilly> how can I install hoary right away? is it best to do a dist-upgrade?
[03:08] <Mantle> randabis: i tried both of those already
[03:08] <LinuxJones> what is Array 3 ?
[03:08] <pepperpot> chillywilly: i think dist-upgrade is correct
[03:08] <Mantle> randabis: ndiswrapper -l is reporting that my driver is installan dand hardware is present
[03:08] <randabis> array 3 is a milestone release of hoary I believe
[03:08] <randabis> crimsun said array 4 is out now though
[03:08] <blah09> http://server3.uploadit.org/files/hizz99-et2.jpg
[03:09] <blah09> there, happy?
[03:09] <blah09> ;)
[03:09] <blah09> btw does anyone know how to get rid of those error messages in apt-get?
[03:09] <randabis> hah
[03:09] <Parallax1> blah09: how did you do that transparency
[03:09] <chillywilly> damn you guys have hoary cds now ;P
[03:09] <blah09> Eterm -O -f white --scrollbar=no --buttonbar off -x
[03:10] <chillywilly> guess I just wasted some disks ;P
[03:10] <kirk-code> my newly added fonts wont appear in the font util
[03:10] <randabis> http://img221.exs.cx/img221/4492/desktop2eh.jpg
[03:10] <randabis> :p I think I already posted that
[03:10] <randabis> oh well
[03:10] <blah09> lol
[03:10] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, you might have to re-start gnome to see them :)
[03:10] <soulsyphon> blah09, apt-get all your args 2>/dev/null
[03:10] <soulsyphon> that might work
[03:10] <soulsyphon> you could just do
[03:10] <kirk-code> LinuxJones, i can't this is a livecd
[03:10] <popey> how do you get that terminal to be in the background on the desktop?
[03:10] <blah09> where in my system can i add public keys so apt-get wont complain?
[03:10] <soulsyphon> blah09, apt-get all your args 2>&1 &
[03:11] <soulsyphon> i think
[03:11] <neom> Anyone know a decent ftp client? terminal just isn't doing it for me.
[03:11] <blah09> what do you mean soul?
[03:11] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, lol
[03:11] <Cloudchaser> ok any cedega/point2play users here/
[03:11] <Cloudchaser> ?
[03:11] <popey> oh, i see, its not background
[03:11] <popey> just transparent with no edges
[03:11] <soulsyphon> blah09, to get rid of the error msgs
[03:11] <randabis> #cedega
[03:11] <mdz> chillywilly: hoary is in development; the final CDs won't be released until April
[03:11] <kirk-code> LinuxJones, i know.. but i must look at how things look like with these fonts
[03:11] <Cloudchaser> ok thanks
[03:11] <mdz> chillywilly: the current hoary CD images are development snapshots
[03:11] <soulsyphon> if thier isnt a --quiet argument to pass it
[03:11] <randabis> I wonder how usplash is doing
[03:11] <randabis> no updates in a month
[03:11] <chillywilly> I am brave though
[03:12] <kirk-code> LinuxJones, i'm at this mess for about 2 hours now.. can u help? i've gotten almost there.. just need gnome to display the added fonts in the dont util or sth
[03:12] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, the fonts look nice jsut go ahead and install :)
[03:12] <chillywilly> I usually run debian sid :)
[03:12] <nosrepa> ello all
[03:12] <mdz> randabis: sunday night, with luck
[03:12] <randabis> mdz that's AWESOME :)
[03:12] <randabis> even if it's a few days later, that still rocks
[03:12] <blah09> usplash?
[03:13] <mdz> randabis: it can't be much later; feature freeze is 5 days away :-)
[03:13] <Twiggy> How can I turn on dma to my cdrom drive?  My dvd playback is 00ber choppy
[03:13] <randabis> mdz yeah I noticed :)
[03:13] <randabis> exciting times
[03:14] <engie> Hi. Any idea what package on hoary I need to install to get a mp3 codec for totem?
[03:14] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, mdz, Hoary is frozen in 5 days ?
[03:14] <randabis> no
[03:14] <kirk-code> LinuxJones, i was talking about the fonts thing
[03:14] <randabis> check the release schedule
[03:14] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, sorry that wasn't meant for you :)
[03:15] <kirk-code> can anyone do me a favor and help me at this.. it's been 2 hours...
[03:15] <kirk-code> i'm not a quitter.. but its really getting frustrating...
[03:15] <crimsun> LinuxJones: feature freeze, yes.
[03:16] <LinuxJones> crimsun, cool
[03:17] <raydogg_> http://sh.nu/~crimsun/
[03:17] <raydogg_> is that down
[03:17] <raydogg_> cuz its not working for me
[03:17] <blah09> strange, i installed the marillat's public key and apt-get still isnt happy
[03:18] <crimsun> raydogg_: it's most definitely not down.
[03:18] <crimsun> raydogg_: what are you trying to accomplish?
[03:19] <kirk-code> how can i make gnome reload fonts ?!
[03:19] <FAST> anyone else haev a problem with the notification area panel item? when restarting/logging into gnome, it's not positioned properly (e.g. gaim icon is 95% hidden)
[03:22] <raydogg_> Im' trying to install mplayer
[03:22] <raydogg_> and it says it has unresolved dependencies
[03:22] <Mantle> in array-4 what is "array" referring to?
[03:22] <crimsun> raydogg_: are you following the directions?
[03:23] <raydogg_> yes
[03:23] <raydogg_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:23] <raydogg_> the first repo installs fine
[03:23] <raydogg_> the second one doesn't
[03:23] <giard> interesting
[03:23] <giard> so the mouse cursors are changing?
[03:23] <crimsun> raydogg_: what command are you using to install mplayer?
[03:24] <crimsun> raydogg_: and which mplayer package are you attempting to install?
[03:24] <raydogg_> was using gui
[03:24] <raydogg_> synamptic
[03:25] <raydogg_> i tried the command on the page it did not work
[03:25] <raydogg_> and i tried the mplayer for 386
[03:25] <raydogg_> i also tried mplayer-nogui
[03:25] <crimsun> I tested this afternoon, so it should work
[03:26] <raydogg_> i'm on warty
[03:26] <crimsun> yes, those are specifically backported for warty.
[03:28] <crimsun> raydogg_: works for me from a clean warty chroot that I just constructed.
[03:29] <raydogg_> what command did you type ?
[03:29] <crimsun> apt-get install mplayer-386=1.0-pre6a-0.0
[03:29] <neom> I have a wierd ass issue here.
[03:29] <goldfish> I did a apt-get install eterm
[03:29] <jasonf> Then I'd reccomend going to a qualified assologist, neom
[03:29] <neom> My mouse randomy stops responding, and I have to unplug it and plug it back in for it to work again.
[03:29] <goldfish> how do i lauch an eterm terminal?
[03:29] <raydogg_> mmm, that is working, how come i wasn't able to do it from the gui ?
[03:29] <kirk-code> how can i make gnome-font-properties show my installed fonts ??
[03:30] <neom> goldfish - In a regulare terminal use "eterm"
[03:30] <crimsun> raydogg_: because my backport is deliberately epoched lower than the package in the debian-marillat repo to ensure a smooth dist-upgrade from Warty to Hoary.
[03:30] <raydogg_> I see
[03:30] <goldfish> neom: command not found? Do i need an apt-get upgrade?
[03:30] <blah09> Eterm
[03:30] <blah09> capital E
[03:31] <goldfish> LOL
[03:31] <crimsun> raydogg_: the package in the debian-marillat repo was rebuilt against versions of packages not available in Warty.
[03:31] <blah09> =)
[03:31] <goldfish> cheers :)
[03:31] <jasonf> where does make-kpkg put the kernel-image by default?
[03:31] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, you actually have to install them on hard drive :)
[03:31] <crimsun> jasonf: ../
[03:32] <kirk-code> LinuxJones, don't tell me i did all this for nothing
[03:32] <jba> hey gang
[03:32] <kirk-code> LinuxJones, i have them in /home/fonts
[03:32] <neom> muhahaha! I crashed it.
[03:32] <jasonf> crimsun: well, it didn't
[03:32] <neom> I took a screenshot, and the screenshot application crashed. :o
[03:33] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, you might be able to archive your /home dir to your actual hard disk and then restore from backup after you do an actual install.
[03:33] <crimsun> jasonf: then vmlinux didn't build successfully?
[03:33] <jasonf> crimsun: it did build successfully
[03:33] <jasonf> as did all the modules
[03:34] <crimsun> jasonf: I presume you're in /usr/src/linux-foo/ ?
[03:34] <kirk-code> LinuxJones, but i cant do a install, the whole idea here that i see how it looks with TTF fonts, because right now it's really ugly and i won't continue with it
[03:34] <kirk-code> LinuxJones,  the fonts make a BIG difference for me
[03:34] <jasonf> crimsun: I know what I did, I did a "make-kpkg" and forgot the kernel-image on the end
[03:34] <goldfish> blah09:  Eterm -O -f white --scrollbar=no --buttonbar off -x
[03:34] <goldfish> i tried that
[03:35] <goldfish> but it aint transparent :/
[03:35] <kirk-code> LinuxJones, i already added the fonts to the X cache.. and i can see then using xfontsel. all is left is to make gnome-font-properties show them
[03:35] <josephus_> Eterm -x -g 80x25+200+70 --buttonbar=0 --trans --shade=0 --font4 edges -F 10x20 -f white --scrollbar=no
[03:35] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, free up a few gigs and try an install it will take you at most 4 hours to get up and running.
[03:36] <kirk-code> LinuxJones, i cant do that
[03:36] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, what resolution are you running the live cd @ ?
[03:36] <kirk-code> 1024x768
[03:36] <kirk-code> laptop
[03:36] <kirk-code> i NEED those fonts
[03:36] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, what you see is what you get. Why are you so concerned about how the fonts look ?
[03:36] <kirk-code> this antialiasing makes me sick
[03:37] <kirk-code> i really feel like im gonna puke any moment
[03:37] <kirk-code> and dont say i can turn AA off, because then it's worse
[03:37] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, well you know what the alternative looks like with all of it's shortcomings :D
[03:37] <goldfish> lol
[03:38] <kirk-code> LinuxJones, no... all i want is to put the windows fonts in
[03:38] <kirk-code> i know it can be done
[03:38] <bitfoo> arent they in fonts:///
[03:38] <kirk-code> they are inside my /home/fonts
[03:38] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, I would rather puke than have a machine with 50 shitty worms and virus's
[03:38] <neom> The only thing I don't like about eterm is that you still have the eterm icon on your system bar.
[03:38] <svend> Can someone running Ubuntu Warty tell me what version of Bash is installed?
[03:38] <kirk-code> i did a mkfontscale;mkfontsdir;xset +fp /home/fonts; xset fp rehash
[03:39] <bitfoo> what the :/
[03:39] <mcphail> svend: GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (i386-pc-linux-gnu)
[03:39] <bitfoo> i just untarred them into my fonts dir
[03:39] <raydogg_> how do you fullscreen with mplayer?
[03:39] <bitfoo> fc-cache -fv ./
[03:40] <svend> mcphail: Thanks.  I am trying Hoary, which has bash-3.0, and I couldn't remember what Warty had.
[03:40] <mcphail> svend: no probs.
[03:40] <randabis> freesbie is okay, but my net didn't work out of the box :/ don't know enough about bsd to set it up
[03:42] <LinuxJones> kirk-code, can't you do a search on google and find out what the fonts look like in a .png graphic ?
[03:42] <goldfish> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:42] <goldfish> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:42] <goldfish> *** tuxracer error: Couldn't initialize video: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[03:42] <goldfish> Anyone know what is wrong there?
[03:42] <raydogg_> if you press "f" it fullscreens the app, but it doesn't stretch the video
[03:42] <bitfoo> what are the array versions
[03:42] <raydogg_> how can u make the video stretch ?
[03:42] <bitfoo> ?
[03:42] <LinuxJones> goldfish,  you need to install a binary driver for your video card
[03:42] <goldfish> kk
[03:43] <goldfish> Where can I get one of those?
[03:43] <goldfish> :)
[03:43] <LinuxJones> goldfish, it's on www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:43] <goldfish> LinuxJones: ok, thanks.
[03:43] <LinuxJones> goldfish, have fun, lots of greats stuff there :)
[03:43] <goldfish> LinuxJones: lol
[03:44] <Cloudchaser> how would i change something in my XF86Config file without messing it up so i can't change it again with the configuration program?
[03:45] <LinuxJones> Cloudchaser, did you modify /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 by hand ?
[03:45] <svend> bitfoo: the array versions are testing releases (milestones) of the installer and live cd
[03:45] <Cloudchaser> LinuxJones, no i haven't
[03:45] <svend> bitfoo: hoary is at array-4 now
[03:45] <Cloudchaser> i read that if you do that you can't use the configuration tool
[03:45] <Cloudchaser> but i don't know how to get that configuration tool
[03:46] <LinuxJones> Cloudchaser, ok dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 will continue to work, until you modify that file by hand
[03:47] <Cloudchaser> ok thank you i'll try that
[03:47] <neom> http://neom.ca/screen.png
[03:47] <calamari> hi
[03:47] <calamari> I think there is some kind of bug in ubuntu
[03:47] <goldfish> calamari: live cd?
[03:48] <calamari> I've lost my firefox bookmarks twice now
[03:48] <jasonf> is it a beetle or a roach?
[03:48] <goldfish> ah right
[03:48] <neom> That's a firefox but iirc.
[03:48] <neom> And there is an extention to prevent it.
[03:48] <calamari> neom: except that when ff loads (after losing the bookmarks) it shows an ubuntu welcome page
[03:49] <goldfish> neom: that Eterm?
[03:49] <calamari> neom: somehow ubuntu is initializing them
[03:49] <neom> Yah goldfish.
[03:49] <calamari> goldfish: nope.. regular install
[03:49] <calamari> can I get my bookmarks back somehow ?
[03:50] <wmealing> wont boot from CD ?
[03:50] <u404> hey.. i want to install ubuntu, but cannot get anywhere, because i get the error: your installation cd-rom could not be mounted. this possibly means that the cd-rom was not in the drive.
[03:50] <wmealing> md5 sum matches here, simply wont boot.
[03:51] <u404> can anyone help me?
[03:51] <u404> i tried 2 different cd-roms, but got the same
[03:51] <Dwayne_> hey
[03:51] <Dwayne_> anyone there
[03:51] <Dwayne_> i need help
[03:51] <LinuxJones> u404, sounds like a corrupted download, check the md5sum on the .iso file
[03:52] <goldfish> Dwayne_: ask away
[03:52] <u404> ok, i will try
[03:52] <Dwayne_> okay well
[03:52] <Dwayne_> i installed Ubuntu
[03:52] <carambol> u404: try it with cdwriter
[03:52] <Dwayne_> it wants me to add a user
[03:53] <Dwayne_> so.. it asks for Full name of User, and i type Dwayne Dingman
[03:53] <calamari> anyone have an idea why I lost my bookmarks and how to get them back?
[03:53] <goldfish> yuh-uh
[03:53] <Dwayne_> then it asks for Username: dwayne (sets it to that automatically, but i can change it)
[03:53] <Dwayne_> then it asks for Password: admin
[03:53] <Dwayne_> so then it reboots and asks for username and password but it doesn't work
[03:53] <Dwayne_> i just want it to load like windows :\
[03:53] <goldfish> Dwayne_: Don't use admin as a password.
[03:54] <Dwayne_> heh
[03:54] <Dwayne_> but i didn't the first time
[03:54] <Dwayne_> i reinstalled it
[03:54] <goldfish> Dwayne_: What happens? u get a blank screen?
[03:54] <Dwayne_> i'll talk to you in PM
[03:54] <goldfish> lol
[03:54] <goldfish> I don't know alot :)
[03:54] <calamari> anyone know where firefox keeps the bookmarks?
[03:55] <calamari> maybe there is a backup copy?
[03:55] <neom> calamari - I would suggest you use this http://www.pikey.me.uk/mozilla/
[03:56] <toojays> does anyone here have the iso for array-4 (daily 20040204) ppc? i tried to get it with jigdo, but two packages are missing from archive.ubuntu
[03:56] <calamari> neom: so the way to fix the ubuntu bug is to back up my bookmarks.. LOL
[03:56] <calamari> thanks tho
[03:56] <neom> Well, it will restore them if they get corruped.
[03:56] <calamari> it will help the next time.. maybe I should store my bookmarks online
[03:56] <Dwayne_> can anyone help me?
[03:56] <calamari> could code a bookmarks page in php or something :)
[03:57] <Dwayne_> ?
[03:58] <calamari> dwayne: what are you trying to do? log in?
[03:58] <Dwayne_> yeah yeah
[03:59] <goldfish> neom: How do i set the backround image?
[03:59] <goldfish> neom: for eter,
[03:59] <goldfish> *eterm
[03:59] <neom> That's my wallpaper you are seeing.
[03:59] <Dwayne_> okay okay calamari
[03:59] <Dwayne_> when installing Ubuntu
[03:59] <goldfish> Eterm:  Error:  Unable to locate desktop window.  If you are running Enlightenment, please
[03:59] <Dwayne_> it asks me to add a user
[03:59] <goldfish> restart.
[04:00] <goldfish> neom: yeash, it's transparent when i try start it i get that
[04:00] <calamari> dwayne: okay.. and you did, right?
[04:00] <Dwayne_> yes yes
[04:00] <calamari> dwayne: ok.. so then what happened?
[04:00] <Dwayne_> so when i add the users full name (mine), it will set the username as "dwayne" and then when i enter in a password
[04:00] <Dwayne_> then it reboots
[04:00] <calamari> okay
[04:00] <Dwayne_> then its like in DOS mode in windows
[04:00] <calamari> then what?
[04:00] <Dwayne_> and says
[04:00] <Dwayne_> localhost username:
[04:00] <Dwayne_> so i enter in dwayne
[04:01] <neom> xwindows didn't start?
[04:01] <Dwayne_> then it pauses and wont let me type in the password
[04:01] <Dwayne_> nope
[04:01] <calamari> sounds like the x server failed
[04:01] <goldfish> hmm...
[04:01] <Dwayne_> yeah thats it
[04:01] <Dwayne_> x server came up
[04:01] <goldfish> might be the same problem as me after all
[04:01] <calamari> does it seem toi blink a few times and go away?
[04:01] <Dwayne_> hmm
[04:01] <Dwayne_> not sure
[04:01] <Dwayne_> let me check
[04:01] <neom> hoary or warty?
[04:02] <goldfish> neom: me?
[04:02] <calamari> wait for it to "blink away" a few times, then try to type your username & password
[04:02] <neom> Dwayne
[04:02] <calamari> dwayne: it will most likely pop up a blue screen telling you that the x server failed
[04:02] <goldfish> i got a blue screen
[04:02] <goldfish> but no errors at all
[04:02] <goldfish> it just froze
[04:03] <neom> goldfish did you use apt-get or synaptic?
[04:03] <goldfish> neom: apt-get
[04:03] <goldfish> neom: apt-get install eterm
[04:03] <Dwayne_> well
[04:03] <Dwayne_> i just rebooted
[04:03] <Dwayne_> and it didn't give me an error
[04:03] <Dwayne_> it did when i first formatted
[04:04] <goldfish> Dwayne_: so can u login?
[04:04] <Dwayne_> no
[04:04] <goldfish> k
[04:04] <Dwayne_> says my username is invalid
[04:04] <goldfish> lol
[04:04] <goldfish> jeez
[04:04] <neom> goldfish - get eterm-themes too
[04:04] <MLimburg> guys, got an issue here .. there seems to be no sound on my setup, but if i turn up the volume to max, i can hear the background noise going up slightly .. so it looks like its installed but something is screwy .. also, when playing a MP3, it *speeds* along, like a 4 minute song is silently played in 20 seconds .. any ideas?
[04:04] <goldfish> neom: cheers
[04:05] <mike998> hmmm how do I get firestarter (a program that requires sudo privelidges) to run when I start gnome?
[04:05] <Jeyrad> hi there dwayne
[04:05] <Dwayne_> so anyone going to help?
[04:05] <neom> Dwayne - use "root" for your username, and try your password with that username.
[04:06] <Jeyrad> why would that work?
[04:06] <Dwayne_> okie dokie
[04:06] <MLimburg> never seen a sound error like this before .. got me stumped
[04:06] <Dwayne_> heh
[04:06] <neom> Jeyrad - if he typoed somewhere in the install, then if he can at least get in as root he can change *his* accounts username.
[04:07] <neom> -username +password
[04:07] <Dwayne_> neom, i type in "root" but when i hit enter
[04:07] <Dwayne_> it goes to Password:
[04:07] <Dwayne_> but i cant type
[04:07] <Dwayne_> i can only hit enter again
[04:07] <neom> you can type
[04:07] <neom> You just can't see it.
[04:07] <neom> Instead of *** it just shows blank.
[04:07] <Dwayne_> okie dokit
[04:07] <Dwayne_> brb again
[04:08] <Jeyrad> rofl
[04:08] <Dwayne_> okay
[04:08] <Jeyrad> you didnt know that dwayne?
[04:08] <Dwayne_> now it says
[04:08] <goldfish> neom: Do I need to do anything else with eterm now?
[04:08] <Dwayne_> root@localhost #
[04:08] <neom> now type
[04:08] <neom> useradd dwayne
[04:08] <Dwayne_> hopefully linux is better than windows
[04:08] <Jeyrad> kde
[04:08] <goldfish> IT IS
[04:08] <Jeyrad> xsession
[04:08] <Jeyrad> xsession start or somthing
[04:09] <Dwayne_> okay
[04:09] <Dwayne_> well
[04:09] <Jeyrad> lol
[04:09] <Dwayne_> im in my username
[04:09] <goldfish> xstart
[04:09] <Dwayne_> now it says dwayn@localhost $
[04:09] <Jeyrad> yeah
[04:09] <Jeyrad> xstart
[04:09] <encryptio> dudes. startx.
[04:09] <wm_eddie> coven is for a group of vampires?
[04:09] <Jeyrad> startx?
[04:09] <Jeyrad> you sure?
[04:09] <encryptio> startx.
[04:09] <Jeyrad> ok
[04:09] <goldfish> lol
[04:09] <encryptio> i'm sure.
[04:09] <goldfish> startx
[04:09] <goldfish> yesah lol
[04:09] <neom> If his x server won't start at startup, why do you think it will run from command?
[04:09] <Jeyrad> startx
[04:09] <Dwayne_> lol
[04:09] <wm_eddie> Ubuntu 6.x Coveny Vampire
[04:09] <encryptio> if it runs on that command, then it's a gdm problem.
[04:09] <Dwayne_> xstart not a valid command :X
[04:09] <Jeyrad> it might
[04:09] <Jeyrad> startx dwayne
[04:09] <encryptio> Dwayne_: startx
[04:10] <goldfish> STARTX
[04:10] <Dwayne_> doesn't work
[04:10] <Jeyrad> damn
[04:10] <goldfish> right
[04:10] <goldfish> dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[04:10] <goldfish> Run that command
[04:11] <goldfish> You might need to be root
[04:11] <neom> I'd suggest you run "sudo apt-get -f install"
[04:11] <bretzel> Hi :-) ...again ... mmm Which file to edit to restore GDM as the display man ? ( I replaced with kdm when installing it and finally changed my mind)
[04:11] <Jeyrad> you do need to be root to engage xsessions
[04:11] <Dwayne_> type sudo apt-get -f install?
[04:11] <neom> I'd do that and see what the output is.
[04:11] <Jeyrad> i dont think sudo works anymore, isnt it just su
[04:12] <encryptio> Jeyrad: sudo is for systems with root disabled (ubuntu, osx)
[04:12] <Jeyrad> oooh
[04:12] <encryptio> "sudo -s" to get the effect of "su"
[04:12] <goldfish> sudo does
[04:12] <goldfish> bloody lag
[04:12] <neom> :\
[04:12] <Dwayne_> just gives me 0 upgrades, 0 new installtions
[04:12] <neom> hm
[04:12] <neom> odd
[04:12] <Jeyrad> i had this same problem with debian
[04:13] <Dwayne_> heh
[04:13] <Jeyrad> but i fixed it some how, cant remember
[04:13] <Dwayne_> how is this better than windows? :X
[04:13] <Jeyrad> iti s
[04:13] <neom> try this "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[04:13] <Jeyrad> you have to get into xwindows
[04:13] <Jeyrad> kde or gnome
[04:14] <bretzel> jeyrad: GNOME is prettier than KDE
[04:14] <Jeyrad> nooo
[04:14] <Dwayne_> all 0's
[04:14] <Jeyrad> kde is much better
[04:14] <neom> fsk
[04:14] <mike998> yipes... a kde vs gnome war
[04:14] <Jeyrad> what? kde is better
[04:15] <bretzel> Jeyrad: kde is better because of more apps support like KDevelop which I can't live without... k3b, and the like - otherwize, gnome is far better and light
[04:15] <mike998> Jeyrad: I ain't touching that one with a ten foot barge pole
[04:15] <u404> where can i get ubuntu linux md5 checksums?
[04:15] <mike998> you should never discuss: Religion, Politics or Window Manager preferences
[04:15] <Jeyrad> yeah. KDE is better though :P
[04:15] <neom> Dwayne_ - sudo apt-get install xserver-common
[04:15] <bretzel> listen all: I was a hard KDE user before I jumped to Ubuntu - gnome is far more beautyfull than KDE. :-) hahahaha
[04:16] <randabis> I perfer xfce
[04:16] <mike998> personally, I have always preferred gnome...
[04:16] <bretzel> anyway: Which file to edit to restore GDM as the display man ? ( I replaced with kdm when installing it and finally changed my mind)
[04:16] <Jeyrad> ive always prefered kde, and wish to never go to gnome
[04:16] <Jeyrad> thats why i dont like FC3
[04:17] <snowblink> bretzel: /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[04:17] <mike998> pah... FCx are pretty awful
[04:17] <neom> Dwayne_ - Did that do anything?
[04:17] <mike998> i tried 1, 2 and 3 and didn't like any of them
[04:17] <Jeyrad> exactly
[04:17] <Dwayne_> hold on
[04:17] <Jeyrad> it didnt even have my audio drivers
[04:17] <Jeyrad> puey
[04:18] <bretzel> snowblink: ok wait I ...sh*&^T I am blind - If could see that file before asking here ;-(
[04:18] <Dwayne_> neom: told me to put in the CD-Rom
[04:18] <Dwayne_> so i did
[04:18] <Dwayne_> installing stuff?
[04:19] <neom> Should be installing x server.
[04:19] <Dwayne_> neom: it did
[04:19] <Dwayne_> now what?
[04:19] <Jeyrad> startx
[04:19] <neom> no
[04:19] <neom> ffs
[04:19] <neom> stfu
[04:19] <thully> hi - does anyone know how to tell how long an rsync will take?
[04:19] <Jeyrad> lol
[04:19] <Jeyrad> chill out neom
[04:19] <Dwayne_> that doesn't work
[04:19] <Dwayne_> lol
[04:19] <neom> no shit
[04:19] <Dwayne_> hey
[04:19] <Dwayne_> dont get pissed at me
[04:19] <Jeyrad> ooh yeah
[04:19] <Dwayne_> i'm new to linux
[04:19] <neom> sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[04:20] <Jeyrad> youve got to config it to use gnome or kde right?
[04:20] <neom> He has to get the Xfree86 X server first.
[04:20] <Jeyrad> yeah
[04:20] <Jeyrad> good point :P
[04:21] <mike998> Dwayne_: have you actually done anything with your system yet?
[04:21] <mike998> like, installed anything, or logged into it?
[04:21] <Dwayne_> i dunno :X
[04:21] <Dwayne_> neom, i typed sudo apt-get install xserver ;\
[04:21] <mike998> okay... let me rephrase that - you did the ubuntu install... and have you logged into your system yet?
[04:22] <Dwayne_> installed ubuntu, kinda :X
[04:22] <neom> mike - He installed it but x server is failing.
[04:22] <Dwayne_> neom, can i just talkt o you in PM?
[04:22] <mike998> okay - well, it may be a good idea to do a reinstall?
[04:22] <neom> mike - he also had no username. only root. :s
[04:22] <mike998> perhaps?>
[04:22] <Dwayne_> no
[04:22] <Dwayne_> i had a username
[04:22] <Dwayne_> but i didn't know it didn't show the ****
[04:22] <neom> oh
[04:22] <Dwayne_> neom i'ma chat with you in PM
[04:22] <goldfish> I had the same problem 4 times, i did 4 installs and no gui.
[04:22] <neom> oki
[04:23] <mike998> ya know... nothing is installed... why not just cut your losses and reinstall ?
[04:23] <mike998> I did it with this laptop...  and now I am up and running
[04:23] <goldfish> reinstall didnt work for me
[04:23] <goldfish> dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[04:23] <goldfish> i had to run that
[04:24] <mike998> hmmm - interesting
[04:24] <goldfish> and it got the gui working for me.
[04:24] <jasonf> why isn't mplayer anywhere in the ubuntu repositories?
[04:25] <Jeyrad> aaw
[04:25] <Jeyrad> screw this, im sticking with debian
[04:25] <neom> Can't you just add the debian repository?
[04:26] <mike998> jasonf: isn't that in one of the repsoitories that you have to manually add?
[04:26] <jasonf> no idea
[04:26] <kox-rox> how can i get mp3 plkug
[04:26] <kox-rox> plugin for rhythmbox?
[04:26] <mike998> jasonf: http://ubuntuguide.org/ is the first place I would look if I were you
[04:27] <mike998> but I personally use xine
[04:27] <pussfeller> whats the gstreamer thing that has support fro musepack
[04:27] <e-Jah> kox-rox: ths remark for jasonf by mike998 is available too for you ;)
[04:27] <kox-rox> xine i dont like... rhythmbox looks a bit like itunes
[04:28] <mike998> :D
[04:28] <pepperpot> rhythmbox crashes a lot...
[04:28] <pussfeller> why would u use xine for music, isnt the playlist support really bad
[04:28] <randabis> gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:28] <mike998> eh... actually I use XMMS for my music needs
[04:28] <Jeyrad> debian roxors my boxors
[04:28] <randabis> that's for rhythmbox
[04:28] <pepperpot> ubuntu roxors my debian boxors
[04:28] <pussfeller> rhythmbox isnt the most stable app in the world, its true
[04:28] <kox-rox> but i'd really like to use rhythmbox
[04:28] <Jeyrad> debian roxors my ubuntu boxors
[04:29] <pepperpot> lol
[04:29] <kox-rox> isnt there any package out ?
[04:29] <pussfeller> tho, this is the first time its actually started without crashing
[04:29] <pussfeller> so its getting better
[04:29] <randabis> ubuntu just r0x :)
[04:29] <pepperpot> s'all good as long your boxors are roxors
[04:29] <Jeyrad> its so roxxors it rox my chicken pox
[04:29] <mike998> your boxors are roxors???
[04:29] <Jeyrad> o.o
[04:30] <pussfeller> im going to give my mom the disk and see how she does without help
[04:30] <mike998> EARTHQUAAAAAAAAAKE!!!
[04:30] <mike998> pussfeller: my dad is trying ubuntu... no help from me (bit far away for a tech support call
[04:31] <Jeyrad> what a name. pussfeller
[04:31] <pussfeller> blame my mom Jeyrad
[04:31] <pepperpot> Jeyrad: you gotsors chicken pox0rz?
[04:31] <Jeyrad> no
[04:31] <Jeyrad> lol
[04:31] <tgecho> hey, anyone know if anything came of that contest?
[04:31] <pussfeller> mike998, has he been successful
[04:32] <mike998> dunno..  Haven't spoken to him in a couple of days... but he did seem to be making VERY good progress - he...
[04:32] <mike998> he...
[04:32] <Lutty1> Newb question: how do I setup a internet dialup connection in ubuntu?
[04:32] <mike998> prefers KDE *sniff*
[04:32] <pepperpot> hmm, have a chemical brothers song stuck in my head now... "Don't rely on this to get you high"
[04:32] <pussfeller> i took off her win98 a couple years ago and put slack in and wouldnt take it off
[04:32] <pussfeller> that didn't make her happy :)
[04:32] <mike998> sooo... I told him to fire up synaptic and install KDE and select KDE for his session
[04:33] <mike998> everyone is happy
[04:33] <pepperpot> pussfeller: what applications did she miss?
[04:33] <pussfeller> quickbooks mostly
[04:33] <pepperpot> that an accounting package?
[04:33] <pussfeller> yeah, way more advanced than gnucash is so far
[04:34] <pussfeller> and one of the most annoying programs eva, it costs hundreds of dollars, and they nag you to death to buy more features
[04:34] <pussfeller> but they have an 80% marketshare in personal/small business financial software
[04:35] <pepperpot> well, if she paid hundreds of dollars for it, she might as well use it
[04:35] <pussfeller> she finnally got sick of it one day and paid 100$ to have win98 reinstalled
[04:35] <pepperpot> did she ever try grisbi?
[04:36] <pepperpot> not sure how that compares with gnucash
[04:36] <pepperpot> i actually need to set up an accounting system myself
[04:36] <jasonf> hrm. is anyone else having trouble apt-get update'ing the hoary universe repository?
[04:36] <pussfeller> heh, so i finally made her get rid of her p2 300 mhz and get a athlo 3200+ emachine, and she says she misses her old computer cause the new one doesnt have a floppy drive
[04:36] <pepperpot> lol
[04:37] <pussfeller> pepperpot, for persoanl use, gnucash isnt bad
[04:37] <pepperpot> pussfeller: does she even use floppies?
[04:37] <pepperpot> pussfeller: doesn't like udf on cd-rw?
[04:37] <pussfeller> yes, she wants floppies
[04:37] <wolf1502> usb floppy drive?
[04:37] <pepperpot> hmmm, how much do usb floppy drives cost these days?
[04:37] <mike998> pussfeller: have you tried a usb key?
[04:37] <mike998> lol
[04:37] <pussfeller> but I told her to use gmail which can hold more than a floppy
[04:38] <pepperpot> pussfeller: not good for confidential info though
[04:38] <pussfeller> i thot about that
[04:38] <pepperpot> pussfeller: you'd have to teach her gpg :p
[04:38] <pussfeller> gmail pop has to use ssl
[04:38] <pepperpot> i don't know
[04:39] <pepperpot> say, i'm upgrading sid to hoary. Which xserver should I select? I'm using nvidia's glx
[04:39] <pussfeller> mike998, i should get some usb keys, they will come in handy
[04:40] <mike998> pussfeller: I had a 32 meg key which really p*ssed me off when it died
[04:40] <pussfeller> thats like 6 floppies and cooler too
[04:41] <pussfeller> how can a key die?
[04:41] <mike998> mind you, i think a 256meg key is about 90cdn
[04:41] <mike998> pussfeller: crappy key from work fighting with my crappy work laptop... the key died... FATALITY!
[04:41] <pepperpot> pussfeller: how is gnucash for a small firm?
[04:41] <pussfeller> i think it would work for a small company
[04:42] <wasabi__> Is ubuntu's initrd image EVMS ready?
[04:42] <pussfeller> tho, i found the customer database /invoice interface very annoying and hard to use
[04:43] <pussfeller> google should make an online money manager
[04:43] <pussfeller> that  would be worth paying for
[04:43] <pussfeller> as peachtree is doa, and intuit is just the suckiest evillest company around
[04:44] <jasonf> BUT WHAT ABOUT MS MONEY!!!!1111ononeononoene
[04:44] <jasonf> :)
[04:44] <pepperpot> pussfeller: they should make a free money manager. Pay for it by selling adwords.
[04:44] <pepperpot> pussfeller: they would know what you could afford and what ads to show you ;p
[04:44] <jasonf> "It looks like you have extra money,  what would you like to spend it on?"
[04:44] <pussfeller> yeah that would be a great place to sell financial services :)
[04:45] <pussfeller> if yer balance is always overdrawn, they advertise debt reduction agencies and loan consolisdaations
[04:46] <pussfeller> or if you have over 500k they can bombard you with cigar and beamer ads
[04:47] <pepperpot> lol
[04:47] <pussfeller> jasonf, have you ever used msmoney? is it any good
[04:47] <jasonf> pussfeller: meh
[04:47] <jasonf> pussfeller: I use spreadsheets
[04:47] <pepperpot> i've used pclaw. It's a piece of crap
[04:48] <gollum> Whats the make config shit that u can do when u install ubuntu with cd?
[04:49] <gollum> And it says u can install it later, by typing the command.
[04:49] <djtansey> has anyone here used ubuntu (hoary) in a virtual machine? i'm trying to test some things from a clean system.
[04:49] <gollum> Whats the make config shit that u can do when u install ubuntu with cd?
[04:51] <neom> anyone know where xkill is in ubunatu?
[04:52] <mike998> neom: gnome has a nice panel applet you can use to kill rogue windows
[04:52] <neom> tyfound it
[04:53] <pussfeller> from my past experience  with debian, ubuntu really surprised me
[04:53] <pussfeller> i never could get past the install with deb
[04:53] <mike998> gollum: what do you mean>
[04:54] <pussfeller> but its even easier to use than fedora
[04:54] <mike998> pussfeller: and the community is great
[04:54] <pussfeller> yes, the feel is much friendlier
[04:54] <gollum> mike998: it is a "Update" config script of some kind when u install it allows u to download all new updates automatical, but i didnt, so i need to install them now, but forgot the command.
[04:54] <Cloudchaser> how would i go about setting up my video driver?
[04:54] <mike998> this is the first non MS o/s I have kept on my system
[04:55] <pussfeller> i think the devs need to see how fedora does its fonts tho and copy it
[04:55] <neom> xmms won't play. it freezes when I try and play a file.
[04:55] <mike998> gollum: you mean sudo apt-get update?
[04:55] <gollum> lol no
[04:55] <gollum> it is a part of the installasion
[04:56] <mike998> ah  yes
[04:56] <gollum> its something like makemenu makeconfigmenu
[04:56] <gollum> or something
[04:56] <neom> What's another mp3 player apart from xmms?
[04:56] <mike998> I know what you mean
[04:56] <gollum> but i can`t find it anywhere.
[04:56] <mike998> I can't remember the command
[04:56] <Crane> hello
[04:56] <pussfeller> mpd, amarok, juk
[04:56] <pussfeller> mpg123 :)
[04:56] <gollum> that dont help me very much mike998 ;)
[04:57] <neom> Was that for me pussfeller?
[04:57] <pussfeller> juk is actually a very good stable playlist/mp3 player
[04:57] <pussfeller> yes neom
[04:57] <mike998> Dwayne_: I've been running Ubuntu for about two months or so
[04:57] <pussfeller> but xmms has the most format support with the least hassle
[04:58] <HaloGray> it also supports winamp skins and playlists
[04:58] <HaloGray> and you can say what you like about winamp, but the skins are sweet :)
[04:58] <neom> What does status sleeping mean?
[04:58] <mike998> Dwayne_: okay
[04:58] <syn-ack> BMP also supports winamp skins.
[04:58] <pussfeller> for what it does its good
[04:58] <mike998> neom: awaiting input
[04:58] <Dreamer3> neom: means those tasks asn't doing anything
[04:58] <neom> odd
[04:58] <neom> It's frozen.
[04:59] <neom> oh well.
[04:59] <pussfeller> i use mpd unless i wanna play my mpc's
[04:59] <HaloGray> neom, I get that when my network doesn't respond
[04:59] <HaloGray> on my wireless
[04:59] <syn-ack> me uses Rhythmbox for all his mp3/ogg needs
[04:59] <pussfeller> till i figure out enough c to make mpd play differnt formats
[04:59] <HaloGray> rhythmbox is pretty good if you dig itunes
[04:59] <HaloGray> I personally prefer foobar2000 as my media player of choice
[04:59] <syn-ack> HaloGray: I LOVE iTunes.
[04:59] <pussfeller> yeah foobar is nice
[05:00] <HaloGray> is it available on linux?
[05:00] <HaloGray> or any sort of clone of it?
[05:00] <neom> pussfeller - I'm using gnome, not kde.
[05:00] <pussfeller> nah, its written in .net i think
[05:00] <HaloGray> it's definately not written in .net
[05:00] <pepperpot> rhytmbox always crashes when indexing my files
[05:00] <trey3> pussfeller: you mean C#?
[05:00] <syn-ack> I see that they FINNALLY got rid of that gnome-terminal bug where tabbing while using screen didnt play well.
[05:00] <HaloGray> I'm not sure what it's written in... but it's not .net
[05:00] <pussfeller> i think, trey3
[05:00] <mike998> oh he signed off
[05:01] <HaloGray> is there some sort of gnome menu editor?
[05:01] <HaloGray> because... as fun as digging around and hand editing giant config files for each shortcut is...
[05:01] <mike998> oh here's a question - does anyone know how to make a terminal the root window?
[05:01] <pussfeller> it was visual something I knew wouldnt port thru wine
[05:01] <pepperpot> mike998: oooh, interesting
[05:01] <trey3> pussfeller: .NET is an architechture that involves a CLI (Common Language Interface) ... Mono implements the same thing  :/
[05:02] <ushooz> HaloGray, to edit menus follow these steps
[05:02] <mike998> pepperpot: if you check out the screenshots of ubuntuforums.org, there is a fella who has that... I so wanna do that
[05:02] <pussfeller> it doesnt run in wine tho, at least it didnt for me
[05:02] <trey3> pussfeller: try with Mono  ;/
[05:02] <ushooz> HaloGray, click applications go down to run
[05:02] <HaloGray> ok
[05:02] <pussfeller> i dont wanna have anything to do with mono from what little i know and understand about it
[05:03] <ushooz> HaloGray, then type nautilus applications:///
[05:03] <mike998> pepperpot http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=240&page=67&pp=10
[05:03] <trey3> pussfeller: Mono = .NET for everyone that doesn't use Windows   :/
[05:03] <syn-ack>      Thermal 1: ok, 129.2 degrees F
[05:03] <syn-ack> ewps
[05:03] <mike998> the post from answeris42
[05:03] <syn-ack> I was trying to COPY
[05:03] <ushooz> HaloGray, then select what part you want to edit and delete or create a new launcher
[05:04] <HaloGray> holy crap!
[05:04] <HaloGray> That's amazingly easier than hand editing configs...
[05:04] <Crane> lol
[05:05] <trey3> HaloGray: cept you just learned something useless, cuz applications:/// is gone in 2.10  ;)
[05:05] <ushooz> HaloGray, that is true. it is gone in 2.10
[05:05] <HaloGray> ... going to be something better to take its place?
[05:05] <trey3> HaloGray: supposedly... hopefully... yea
[05:06] <trey3> HaloGray: still waiting to see it though, and its after freeze  :/
[05:06] <pepperpot> trey3: so in other words you're saying we better set up all our shortcuts now before it's too late?
[05:06] <pepperpot> menus*
[05:07] <goldfish> Is there anything for ubuntu that monitors the temps and stuff and gives techy info like that?
[05:07] <goldfish> cpu load etc.. ?
[05:07] <trey3> pepperpot: umm... the menu system changed too... so that won't help either... (vfolders -> gnome-menu)
[05:07] <pepperpot> oh
[05:08] <unperson> goldfish, System monitor will tell you about CPU load.
[05:08] <Crane> uh oh
[05:08] <unperson> goldfish, Don't think it will do CPU temps.  There is an applet and a full application.
[05:09] <Crane> My video card is talking to me
[05:09] <trey3> Crane: whats it saying?
[05:09] <Crane> LOL
[05:09] <trey3> goldfish: you mean kinda like gkrellm maybe?
[05:09] <unperson> Crane, You mean it hasn't been...rendered speechless?
[05:09] <Crane> It's say "the fan is about to lock up"
[05:09] <HaloGray> Ok, so the very first thing I tried to add with it was nautilis applications:\\\ and it didn't work :P
[05:09] <trey3> Crane: well... at least it was nice enough to tell ya  ;P
[05:10] <goldfish> trey3: emm... new to linux, never heard of gkrellm :) but i'll look it up
[05:10] <syn-ack> trey3: I want an applet that shows cpu temp that goes in my notifcation tray.
[05:10] <HaloGray> off I go to find the config file to fix my screw up
[05:10] <Crane> trey3, LOL
[05:10] <syn-ack> They dont have one.
[05:10] <trey3> syn-ack: afaik, nothing like that exists?
[05:11] <goldfish> yeah i was looking for something like what syn-ack is asking
[05:11] <trey3> Not for tempreture etc at least... load yes  :/
[05:11] <syn-ack> trey3: not unless you install gdesklets or gkrell,
[05:11] <syn-ack> m
[05:11] <goldfish> Is there a way to make a terminal copy by just highlighting text?
[05:12] <trey3> syn-ack: neither of those go onto the panel though... so not what you're looking for afaict?
[05:12] <syn-ack> right
[05:12] <trey3> goldfish: you can use screen  8)
[05:12] <goldfish> heh
[05:12] <syn-ack> All I want is simple little applet that tells me cpu temp.
[05:12] <trey3> goldfish: else just use the mouse... middle mouse button to paste...
[05:15] <trey3> syn-ack: file an enhancement of GNOME's bugzilla? Shouldn't even be that hard... but likely won't get into gnome-applets-data till 2.12  :/
[05:15] <trey3> s/of/on/
[05:15] <syn-ack> trey3: heh
[05:15] <syn-ack> more than likely.
[05:15] <pussfeller> gkrellm is nice for watching multiple boxes
[05:15] <trey3> syn-ack: well, no, its a new feature... like I said, its after feature freeze...
[05:16] <trey3> (I think that was the 12 of this month...)
[05:16] <tsm2004beta> Hello, I was just curious to see if anyone here had successfully installed Counter Strike: Source and HL2 on Ubuntu with Point2Play and Cedega??
[05:16] <trey3> Uhh... last month...
[05:16] <syn-ack> trey3: Damn, barely missed it then.
[05:17] <trey3> tsm2004beta: uhh... Ubuntu doesn't support the use of either... so this is the wrong place to ask, sorry.
[05:17] <tsm2004beta> trey3, It doesn't hurt to ask, now does it?
[05:17] <goldfish> tsm2004beta: someone got hl2 working, in gaming section on ubuntuforums
[05:17] <syn-ack> tsm2004beta: Common sense would tell you that this is not the place to ask though
[05:18] <goldfish> tsm2004beta: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13566
[05:18] <randabis> #cedega
[05:18] <unperson> syn-ack, It ain't hurtin' no one.
[05:18] <regeya> trey3, I'd argue that he was asking everyone, and quite frankly, if one more person suggests that I can either use my system in the approved way or I need to not ask anyone, I'm suggesting to everyone I know that they never even consider Ubuntu.
[05:18] <tsm2004beta> goldfish, Thank you very much. I'm sure it will be quite helpful.
[05:19] <goldfish> I sense sarcasm.
[05:19] <goldfish> So go fuck yourself.
[05:19] <tsm2004beta> Or not, whatever. I was thanking you since two others were being dicks about support.
[05:19] <randabis> down boy
[05:19] <goldfish> tsm2004beta: oh right, sorry :)
[05:19] <goldfish> tsm2004beta: thought you were taking the piss.
[05:19] <goldfish> My apologies.
[05:20] <ushooz> wee irc is so much fun with so much love :)
[05:20] <tsm2004beta> S'alright.
[05:20] <regeya> well, I'm not the only cranky one!
[05:20] <regeya> :-D
[05:20] <trey3> regeya: first question... how many people that you know use Ubuntu?  Second, if you use your system in ways that aren't supported, its on you to support that.
[05:20] <goldfish> heh
[05:20] <snarky> hey all, im running hoary and my sound doesnt work :( anyone able to help me?
[05:20] <Guardiann> hello all
[05:20] <pussfeller> did it ever work
[05:21] <Dwayne_> goldfish: when your screen was flickering?
[05:21] <tsm2004beta> Hello Guardian.
[05:21] <ushooz> snarky, waiting for stable before I move to it
[05:21] <Dwayne_> did you type in the username then it flickered?
[05:21] <tsm2004beta> Guardiann* even, sorry.
[05:21] <randabis> trey3, featurefreeze is in 5 days according to mdz
[05:21] <goldfish> Dwayne_: When i tried to log onto ubuntu.
[05:21] <snarky> ushooz: yeah it worked on warty, actually the sound is the only issue
[05:21] <Guardiann> hey tsm2004beta how are you
[05:21] <goldfish> Dwayne_: it flickered then went blank
[05:21] <pussfeller> is the module loaded
[05:21] <Dreamer3> snarky: and what is the exactly problem with sound now?
[05:21] <ushooz> snarky, I look forward to checking it out. Warty I like alot
[05:21] <goldfish> Dwayne_: Problem not sorted?
[05:21] <regeya> trey3, firstly, I suggest you go back to my previous statement and then it'll be clear why the question "many people that you know use Ubuntu?" isn't entirely on-topic.  Secondly...duh, I'm assuming that's why people are here, to do stuff with their Ubuntu systems.  Why not give users a chance to help each other use their systems in double-plus-ungood ways?
[05:22] <tsm2004beta> Guardiann, quite fine, thanks.
[05:22] <snarky> Dreamer3: uh when i open a sound file in rb for example it says "could not open resource for writing"
[05:22] <pussfeller> i had to manually load my sound card module and then it worked
[05:22] <ushooz> snarky, you do fresh install or a dist-upgrade?
[05:22] <Dreamer3> snarky: can you play sounds as root... sudo mpg123 for example?
[05:22] <snarky> ushooz: dist-upgrade
[05:22] <snarky> Dreamer3: lemme try
[05:23] <unperson> The thing I really love about Linux is the fact that it is a community about empowering users.  Not about officially sanctioned uses for your computers.  If you like that way of thinking, try Windows or Mac OS.
[05:23] <trey3> regeya: no body has said they can't do such things... no one cares what they do with their system, but its not supported, thus this isn't the place to ask about it... this is all I've said  :/
[05:23] <regeya> did I miss a channel guideline rule somewhere that only supported activities can be discussed?  Please point me in that direction!
[05:23] <snarky> Dreamer3: same error
[05:24] <pepperpot> unperson: having a guru like Jobs to worship must be comforting
[05:24] <Dreamer3> snarky: is the module for your sound card loaded?
[05:24] <regeya> if I, a ubuntu user, cannot ask other ubuntu users in #ubuntu about non-supported activities, please suggest a more appropriate place.  I will go there rather than the official ubuntu headquarters support line.
[05:24] <bitfoo> does anyone know why the sound crackles on my avi movies :|
[05:24] <snarky> Dreamer3: i...don't know (im kind of a n00b with this sort of thing)
[05:24] <randabis> I see no harm in discussing "unsupported" activities, but if there is already a channel devoted to said activity, then I think the discussion should be moved there
[05:24] <snarky> Dreamer3: yes it appears to be loaded
[05:24] <Dreamer3> randabis: unless it's REALLY ubuntu specific
[05:24] <randabis> yeah
[05:25] <snarky> Dreamer3: lsmod only lists loaded modules, correct?
[05:25] <Dreamer3> snarky: yes
[05:25] <Guardiann> looks like I missed something good
[05:25] <randabis> regeya, depends on said activity
[05:25] <snarky> Dreamer3: yeah, its loaded then
[05:25] <Dreamer3> regeya: #cedega in this example
[05:25] <regeya> I've seen people called onto the carpet in #ubuntu for asking about software in Universe.
[05:25] <randabis> now that's a bit ridiculous
[05:26] <trey3> regeya: see, the thing with cedega etc though... they are either stealing software, or PAID for support... the former is against the law, the latter means they have a better medium for support  :/
[05:26] <Dreamer3> trey3: ah, now i understand more
[05:26] <unperson> Well, I think there's a difference between saying, "Oh, you might ask in ___ too" as opposed to "that's not officially supported, so don't ask here."
[05:26] <pepperpot> trey3: maybe they live somewhere outside of the berne convention? :p
[05:27] <pussfeller> i have met the first linux user who is concerned about stealing software!
[05:27] <snarky> Dreamer3: any idea whats wrong?
[05:27] <cLin> hi
[05:27] <Dreamer3> snarky: no, what kind of sound carD?
[05:27] <regeya> trey3, beside the point, and not a reason to tell someone to take it elsewhere.  I can use mpeg2enc to do illegal things.  I can use vim to do illegal things, come to that. ;-)  Politely pointing someone in the right direction would be more helpful ;-)
[05:27] <cLin> is there something like cleartype on ubuntu?
[05:27] <snarky> Dreamer3: the worst ever, intel onboard
[05:27] <Dreamer3> cLin: yes
[05:27] <trey3> pussfeller: no... many are  :/
[05:27] <cLin> i just recently switched to linux and chose ubuntu but i need some thigns to make it more....homely
[05:27] <regeya> pussfeller, if I didn't care about not stealing, I'd probably be using XP right now. ;-)
[05:27] <snarky> Dreamer3: it worked in warty, and uuusually works
[05:27] <Dreamer3> snarky: hmmm, and it worked before?
[05:27] <pepperpot> snarky: is that worse that via?
[05:28] <HaloGray> cLin, what's up?
[05:28] <Dreamer3> cLin: under font properties of gnome... it's font smoothing for LCD
[05:28] <pepperpot> cLin: ubuntu is the most homely distro i have come across.
[05:28] <pussfeller> we should actually thank MS for making xp harder to copy
[05:28] <unperson> cLin, I think you mean homey, not homely.
[05:28] <Dreamer3> snarky: perhaps it's something changed in the kernel?
[05:28] <regeya> anywho...meh, I got way too worked up over that.  heh.
[05:28] <cLin> thanks guys
[05:28] <snarky> pepperpot: i dunno, but when it does work it provides crappy sound and theres no hardware mixing, except ALSA now supports a little bit of software mixing so it makes it better
[05:28] <Dreamer3> snarky: can you boot an older kernel?
[05:28] <pussfeller> since it does make you realize just how much you have to pay for that crap
[05:28] <Xenguy> pepperpot: one person's less is another person's more :p
[05:28] <snarky> Dreamer3: yeah i can..but i don't think thats the issue
[05:28] <pepperpot> cLin: get ubuntu-calendar-october or something
[05:28] <snarky> Dreamer3: rather im pretty sure
[05:28] <trey3> pussfeller: eh... they failed miserably... I have a cracked copy... I haven't used it since 2002 though  :/
[05:28] <cLin> i use a nForce3 mobo and geforce 6600 gt, do i need to update my drivers?
[05:29] <cLin> pep, what is that
[05:29] <pussfeller> im looking at having my client spend about 800 bucks for office xp and xp pro upgrade on 2 computers
[05:29] <snarky> Dreamer3: cuz there have been quite a few alsa updates recently (my sound hasn't been working for a while) and i think its a problem with alsa or something in hoary thats not in warty
[05:29] <regeya> um windows I mean
[05:29] <randabis> cLin, depends..
[05:29] <regeya> heh
[05:29] <regeya> s/XP/Windows/g
[05:29] <Dreamer3> snarky: well, when did it stop working?
[05:29] <pepperpot> snarky: true, it's alsa's crappy hardware mixing that made me buy an sblive. They're cheap these days
[05:29] <randabis> I have 3 oem copies of XP home gathering dust :p
[05:29] <snarky> Dreamer3: when i switched to hoary eheh
[05:30] <ushooz> pepperpot, kinda hard with my laptop :)
[05:30] <Dreamer3> pepperpot: my cs46xx onboard supports hardware mixing :)
[05:30] <snarky> pepperpot: yeah well its a laptop so i can't do that
[05:30] <pussfeller> pepperpot, does the mixing work, the 2 sounds at once on sblive?
[05:30] <crimsun> to be fair, alsa can't do hardware mixing, only hardware can. alsa is software.
[05:30] <Dreamer3> snarky: well, i dunno then
[05:30] <ushooz> my onboard ac97 on and intel mobo stinks as well
[05:30] <pepperpot> pussfeller: yes, without having to deal with dmix
[05:30] <snarky> Dreamer3: i just thought maybe a dev would be on that could help
[05:30] <regeya> well, randabis, that's precisely what should happen to xp home :-P
[05:30] <pussfeller> that would be nice to have for once
[05:30] <cLin> and are there logitech mouse drivers?
[05:30] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i finally gave up on dmix... my boards seems to do hardware mixing :)
[05:30] <randabis> you could get a usb sound card :p
[05:30] <pussfeller> so I could use teamspeak and etf
[05:30] <regeya> on floppy no less
[05:31] <crimsun> Dreamer3: ...not sure why you were messing with dmix in the first place!
[05:31] <trey3> regeya: floppy 5 1/4  *g*
[05:31] <Dreamer3> crimsun: well, i didn't know that it did till i was messing around with it
[05:31] <randabis> regeya, yeah...my sister still uses it on her pc and so does my stepbro, but I've semi converted my sis over to ubuntu
[05:31] <Dreamer3> crimsun: and 1.0.8 didn't help dmix any
[05:31] <pepperpot> Dreamer3: i spent many many hours fiddling with dmix when it was in CVS and barely documented before I realized my time would be better spent if I just bought an sblive
[05:31] <regeya> how is it that I have an 18-year-old copy of King's Quest that still (mostly) works, but floppies from 5 years ago won't work? ;-)
[05:31] <randabis> seems she doesn't use it too much though
[05:31] <Dreamer3> pepperpot: i can't buy an sblive for my lappy though
[05:31] <crimsun> Dreamer3: your symptoms are interesting; I'll have to look into it.
[05:31] <pepperpot> Dreamer3: right, i know... hm...
[05:32] <crimsun> snarky: what issues?
[05:32] <randabis> creative makes usb sound solutions too :p
[05:32] <snarky> crimsun: sound not working in hoary, but worked in warty
[05:32] <Dreamer3> crimsun: well, i might even say it was working, but if so the volume was 0... no way to tell with no sound :)
[05:32] <pepperpot> Dreamer3: then you either need to use dmix or else do something more high-level
[05:32] <neom> like.. sudo -s?
[05:32] <neom> oops
[05:32] <Dreamer3> pepperpot: no, my integreated supports hardware mixing :)
[05:32] <pepperpot> randabis: exigy seems quite nice
[05:32] <crimsun> snarky: mixer problem?
[05:32] <pepperpot> Dreamer3: then you are lucky :)
[05:32] <snarky> crimsun: not playing any sound..
[05:32] <randabis> pepperpot, yeah, they make another cheaper one too
[05:33] <crimsun> snarky: did you paste your lsmod and amixer output onto http://pastebin.ca/ ?
[05:33] <pepperpot> there are also some nice prosumer level firewire sound cards
[05:33] <unperson> Anyone aware of an app that has an option to let you know how strong the wireless signal is by beeping?
[05:33] <crimsun> 1394 sound is not recommended under Linux currently
[05:33] <snarky> crimsun: no
[05:33] <Dreamer3> unperson: like a geiger counter?
[05:33] <trey3> unperson: not by beeping I don't think... but netapplet tells you I think...
[05:33] <pepperpot> crimsun: I didn't know that... :/
[05:34] <randabis> lol@geiger counter
[05:34] <pussfeller> that would be agood sound to port somehow
[05:34] <trey3> unperson: "Network Monitor" applet...
[05:34] <snarky> Dreamer3: actually it may be 2.6.10, im reading on the ubuntu bugzilla that another guy that uses the same soundcard doesnt have sound in 2.6.10
[05:34] <snarky> Dreamer3: i'll reboot and see whats up
[05:34] <unperson> Dreamer3, Sort of yes, but with beeps rather than clicks.
[05:34] <Dreamer3> snarky: i said to try the older kernel ;-)
[05:35] <pussfeller> i copied the wavs out of serious sam and use those for mail notifications and stuff :)
[05:35] <unperson> trey3, You mean the wireless link monitor, I assume.
[05:35] <trey3> unperson: nope... because I don't see that  :/
[05:36] <bitfoo> heh
[05:36] <bitfoo> my mail notification goes "BEEP BEEP Mail M****** F****!!!"
[05:36] <trey3> bitfoo: interesting  ;P
[05:36] <Oscarian> 'lo all
[05:37] <trey3> Oscarian: hey
[05:37] <pepperpot> well then, I am going to have to rip some soundbites from "You've Got Mail" and one up you all
[05:37] <ushooz> Evolution OWA exchange plugin is not very good. It wastes memory like crazy
[05:37] <Dreamer3> ushooz: maybe it's ms's fault :)
[05:37] <ushooz> 648 meg use for one process
[05:37] <regeya> if anyone here knew what sort of frankenstein's monster my ubuntu system was, I'd probably be banned for asking questions. ;-)
[05:37] <Dreamer3> ushooz: um
[05:37] <neom> Does anyone know how hard it would be to allow me to pick what software enviornment I wanted to use when I start ubunutu? For example, in drake under the login dialog there was a dropdown with a section between kde/gnome/swordfish/etc etc?
[05:37] <pepperpot> what's a good mail notification program for mutt users?
[05:37] <goldfish> bitfoo: how did u get that?
[05:37] <Dreamer3> ushooz: ok, that's kinda crazy
[05:38] <ushooz> Dreamer3, nope. this is Evolutions exchange plugin fault
[05:38] <Oscarian> i just wanted to find out if i can set up 3d with my ati radeon 9200.  i want to play a game i have using cedega, but it's bombing out.
[05:38] <Dreamer3> ushooz: is this after prolonged use? surely a bug
[05:38] <trey3> neom: 'custom' at the installer prompt
[05:38] <ushooz> Dreamer3, no biggie, I will just use OWA via Web until it is resolved :)
[05:38] <crimsun> neom: install another environment that has a session file, like xfce4 or kde. The session option will appear when gdm is reloaded/restarted.
[05:38] <neom> really?
[05:39] <neom> fucking cool
[05:39] <regeya> askjlgh
[05:39] <trey3> neom: yup... well worth cussing  :/
[05:39] <neom> sorry for teh virgin eyes. :(
[05:40] <trey3> neom: eh... I've seen 14 yo's in here...
[05:40] <neom> sry
[05:40] <pepperpot> cussing bad
[05:40] <pepperpot> naked people good
[05:40] <neom> So swearing is bad but p0rn is fine. :D
[05:40] <bitfoo> goldfish i dunno i just found that wav somewhere :|
[05:41] <pepperpot> neom: not porn. tasteful nudes
[05:41] <Dreamer3> i can't force my views on anyone here :)
[05:41] <neom> I see.
[05:41] <goldfish> bitfoo: Is there a setting to set the wav?
[05:41] <goldfish> like for mail notification?
[05:41] <pepperpot> respectful of people's beauty, inner and outer
[05:41] <pussfeller> lol taseful nudes
[05:43] <bitfoo> yes
[05:43] <bitfoo> its under preferences
[05:43] <Dreamer3> so
[05:43] <pepperpot> bitfoo: are you talking about evolution?
[05:43] <Dreamer3> anyone here come over from debian and enjoying it more?
[05:43] <pepperpot> Dreamer3: me
[05:43] <Dreamer3> pepperpot: what's better?
[05:43] <trey3> Dreamer3: yup...
[05:43] <goldfish> ah yes, sound events
[05:43] <bitfoo> oh sorry im talking about thundrebird
[05:43] <alainm> Dreamer3:yes
[05:43] <pepperpot> Dreamer3: it's much nicer out of the box
[05:44] <Dreamer3> pepperpot: ok, that's a given :)
[05:44] <el_ZaHIa> hi, i'm using warty , what are the repositorys por hoary ? i want to upgrade
[05:44] <regeya> Dreamer3: Had switched from Gentoo, briefly to Debian Unstable, then to Ubuntu.  Very little work to get it to my frankenstein's-monster setup now. ;-)
[05:44] <Dreamer3> pepperpot: but if i have a nice debian system setup perfect, why might i want ubunut? :)
[05:44] <trey3> Dreamer3: More up to date software, without having to play with Experimental... less anal-retentive people  :)
[05:44] <regeya> hahaha
[05:45] <Dreamer3> my mom's computer is going to be the first to try ubuntu, but it's taking it's time getting here
[05:45] <pepperpot> Dreamer3: I wouldn't. But my debian setup (sid) was getting really fux0red after many a year. Firefox would not run properly. I tried a fresh install of sarge on a partition and it was so primitive, it would have taken forever to get it up to speed. Ubuntu is like a big headstart.
[05:46] <Dreamer3> pepperpot: how did you find sarge primitive?
[05:46] <Dreamer3> pepperpot: are you refering to apps, or just OTB experience/
[05:46] <trey3> Dreamer3: OTB?
[05:46] <Dreamer3> trey3: out of the box
[05:46] <trey3> ohhh
[05:47] <regeya> pepperpot: same here, sorta; or rather, debian is very much server-oriented, and while it can be whipped into submission, it takes some work.  Nice to have some dedicated devs on the ubuntu project doing that these days. :-)
[05:47] <pepperpot> Dreamer3: alsa, nvidia glx, growisofs
[05:47] <Dreamer3> pepperpot: hmmm
[05:47] <pepperpot> Dreamer3: palm pilot, udev
[05:47] <unperson> Dreamer3, Wait, you're saying the Ubuntu community is like the Gentoo community?
[05:48] <pepperpot> Dreamer3: all stuff that i can and have set up on debian, ubuntu saves me several hours doing that
[05:48] <trey3> pepperpot: most of what you just said just means you didn't hit 'linux26' at the installer prompt  :/
[05:48] <Dreamer3> unperson: i think so, unless i'm mistaken... gentoo (at least a year ago) was a fun, helpful place where everyone acontributed
[05:48] <neom> Does anyone know if open office can import qattro pro files?
[05:48] <jasonf> neom: it cannot
[05:48] <neom> k
[05:49] <jasonf> neom: at least not officially
[05:49] <neom> why?
[05:49] <Dreamer3> trey3: good point... i always make sure when installed debian to boot the latest kernel :)
[05:49] <jasonf> neom: there may be some other converter
[05:49] <pepperpot> trey3: the sarge installer prompt?
[05:49] <jasonf> neom: because you haven't written it yet
[05:49] <neom> oh
[05:49] <trey3> pepperpot: yeah...
[05:49] <neom> Good reason. :D
[05:49] <pepperpot> shit...
[05:49] <trey3> Dreamer3: eh... its usually out of date anyways... usually just upgrade it later as I upgrade to Sid  ;)
[05:50] <pepperpot> bye
[05:50] <unperson> Dreamer3, Ah, perhaps.  To me it seems very different.  Ubuntu seems to be more practical, computer as a tool kind of outlook, whereas Gentoo is more computer as hobby (or religion?).
[05:50] <Dreamer3> trey3: yeah, i always build kernels from source
[05:50] <pepperpot> actually I was running 2.6.10 from source
[05:50] <Dreamer3> unperson: yeah, eventually the source downloads and compiling were just too much for me :)
[05:50] <trey3> Dreamer3: I sooo would... cept my CPU is crap   :/
[05:50] <Dreamer3> trey3: that's what nice is for ;-)
[05:50] <trey3> Dreamer3: takes like 2 1/2 - 3 hours to compile a kernel  :/
[05:50] <unperson> Dreamer3, With Ubuntu it seems like the idea is to make everything easy and "just work" where possible.  Talking to Gentoo people the first thing always seems to be "ok, first you recompile you kernel..."
[05:51] <Dreamer3> unperson: no, compiling kernel is kind of last, but i know your point :)
[05:51] <regeya> unperson: considering that the gentoo crows seems to think that portage is near-perfect before reverse-deps handling is ready...
[05:51] <Dwayne_> okay
[05:51] <regeya> ...I'd say religion.
[05:51] <Dwayne_> i get this option
[05:51] <Dwayne_> "use kernal framebuffer ~ yes or no"
[05:51] <Dwayne_> what do i pick?
[05:51] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: did you read the help?
[05:51] <pussfeller> portage is the first package manager i used that actually worked
[05:51] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: it almost always has useful suggestions
[05:52] <be80be> doom 3 any 1 tryed it
[05:52] <Dwayne_> ahh
[05:52] <steve> can anyone tell me how to hibernate my laptop in linux
[05:52] <Dwayne_> it said its safe to keep it on :\
[05:52] <Dreamer3> steve: hibernate or suspend?
[05:52] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: then try taht
[05:52] <regeya> pussfeller, I think they should take a cue from the FreeBSD crowd; have a system that builds, then take something like portupgrade and use that ;-)
[05:52] <steve> hiberanate
[05:52] <unperson> I'm not trying to necessarily bash on Gentoo.  It seems like a cool idea, just not for me.
[05:52] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: i think the first few kernel building should be experience anyways :)
[05:52] <Dreamer3> unperson: it got me started... did it for over a year
[05:53] <Dreamer3> steve: do you already have the hibernate parition setup (ie, from windows util or whateveR)?
[05:53] <Dreamer3> steve: or you want to do software hibernate?
[05:53] <regeya> at the time I started using gentoo, it was the most-untainted source of software, other than slack, imho.
[05:53] <steve> I do beleive so, you tell me how to check and which I would use
[05:53] <unperson> pussfeller, For me apt has always worked like a dream.
[05:53] <Dreamer3> steve: software hibernate (not called that IIRC) is experimental
[05:53] <steve> okay
[05:54] <steve> how do I check for the partition setup
[05:54] <Dreamer3> steve: not a bad idea if your laptop supports it in hardware to setup a hibernate partition and use apm or ACPI with the right options
[05:54] <Dreamer3> steve: did you reparition yourself with linux?
[05:54] <regeya> plus I had used freebsd, dug the ports concept and went with it.  it hasn't grown significantly since I first started using it, though.  ah, well.
[05:54] <steve> it was already done from before
[05:54] <Dreamer3> regeya: you using freebsd you said?
[05:54] <Dreamer3> steve: so you left it intact?
[05:54] <regeya> Dreamer3, I have, but long enough ago I can't give you a good opinion.
[05:54] <steve> yeaph
[05:55] <regeya> as in, I used it before 5 came out.
[05:55] <steve> I have a home, swap, and root
[05:55] <Dreamer3> steve: i don't know, never had to setup hibernate on my laptop
[05:55] <Dreamer3> steve: apm doesn't take a hibernate option
[05:55] <Dreamer3> steve: acpi might, but i'm new with that
[05:56] <deang> Hiya.  Anyone care that the new Live CD didn't jive well with the video card on my Dell Inpsiron 5000e?
[05:56] <steve> what I really want is to close the lid and have it shut off till I come back and open it
[05:56] <regeya> Dreamer3, one thing I liked was reverse-dep handling; the ability to take a convenience tool like portupgrade and when, say, libpng did a binary-incompatible change, I coudl rebuild everything that depended on libpng.  that was sweet.  I couldn't justify using freebsd-as-desktop just for that dep handling.
[05:56] <Dreamer3> regeya: debian you get that for free ;-)
[05:56] <TheMuso> deang: What video chipset is it?
[05:56] <pussfeller> yeah gentoo could use a more n00b friendly install
[05:57] <pussfeller> they hard terrible battles over a gui installer
[05:57] <TheMuso> deang: Is this the latest Hoary live CD you are talking about/
[05:57] <Dreamer3> steve: yeah... and what does it do now?
[05:57] <steve> well, it will turn the screen off, but the computer and battery still go
[05:57] <syn-ack> pussfeller: Gentoo is not meant for a "n00b"
[05:57] <Dreamer3> steve: try setting up acpi or apm... my laptop would automatically suspend when i closed the lid with APM
[05:57] <LucidVisions> pussfeller: vidalinux is a gentoo stage3 install with anaconda as the graphical installer,its great
[05:57] <steve> sorry, but how will I go about it
[05:57] <regeya> oh, the anaconda port, pussfeller?  that was a great idea....and LucidVisions just made my next point. :-}
[05:58] <steve> kind of new to this part
[05:58] <Dreamer3> steve: i'd look for a apm-how-to or some such, not sure of the ubuntu way
[05:58] <steve> okay, thanks
[05:58] <Dreamer3> check the forums? or maybe someone else will pipe up
[06:00] <pussfeller> wow that anaconda port has come along way
[06:04] <LinkMasterSab> Blah, when I upgraded to Gaim 1.1.2, it stopped connecting to MSN
[06:04] <Dwayne_> okay
[06:04] <Dwayne_> i'm having MAJOR problems
[06:05] <Dwayne_> i've been trying to get ubuntu to work for 4hrs!
[06:05] <LinkMasterSab> I asked on #gaim and they couldn't help me either
[06:05] <Oscarian> is anyone here up up with getting 3d to work with an ati card?
[06:05] <pussfeller> how do you change nautilus back to the sane way of opening folders
[06:06] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: sounds like a gaim problem
[06:06] <LinkMasterSab> pussfeller, what's the sane way? :o
[06:06] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: go back to the older version
[06:06] <pussfeller> heh
[06:06] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: why?
[06:06] <LinkMasterSab> Plenty of people have told me they have it working on the new one
[06:06] <be80be> you have a bad cd ?
[06:06] <Dreamer3> pussfeller: in gconf somewhere
[06:06] <LinkMasterSab> How could I regress back?
[06:06] <Dreamer3> pussfeller: google will know
[06:06] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: /var/cache/apt i'd say... locating and install an old versoin
[06:06] <LinkMasterSab> Ah.
[06:06] <regeya> if this works with kino, I'm sending a sternly-written email to the kino ahtuors...
[06:07] <regeya> authors, even...
[06:07] <Dwayne_> dreamet3, i am configuring xserver okay? well i get to Color Depth and i select 24bit, so i hit enter and shell loads at the bottom of the screen
[06:07] <regeya> as far as I can tell, all that's required to get audio sync working for us ntsc users is to pass -F 4 to mpeg2enc
[06:07] <Dwayne_> so i gotta do it all over again and it wont let me hit OK on Color Depth
[06:07] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: i don't know...
[06:08] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: retry and pick something more conserative?
[06:08] <Dwayne_> ?
[06:08] <regeya> and that should be an easy addition, and further, people on the kino forums have been trying to figure out what to do to the *audio track* to get it to work right.
[06:08] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: is this installing, or what?
[06:08] <bj_> hi dudes, quick question.
[06:08] <bj_> when is usplash going to be iimplemented
[06:08] <Dreamer3> bj_: what's that?
[06:08] <LinkMasterSab> Dreamer3: Where are the packages that the installation CD installs?
[06:08] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: i don't know
[06:08] <bj_> boot splash
[06:08] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: search for .deb files
[06:09] <Dreamer3> bj_: you can prolly compile it in yourself
[06:09] <Dreamer3> bj_: but to answer your first question, no idea
[06:09] <be80be> how do find out what module eth0 is using?
[06:09] <bj_> yeah, but usplash is some new jawn the ubuntu devs are working on
[06:09] <Dreamer3> be80be: i usually lsmod and deduce
[06:10] <be80be> it dosnt list 1 for eth0
[06:10] <Dreamer3> be80be: then it must be compiled in
[06:10] <Dwayne_> yeah yeah
[06:10] <Dreamer3> be80be: try looking at dmesg output
[06:10] <Dwayne_> i got it
[06:10] <Dwayne_> i made it 16bit
[06:11] <Dwayne_> but my resolution is like 800x600
[06:11] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: great
[06:11] <Dwayne_> and i want it bigger
[06:11] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: what video card?
[06:11] <Dwayne_> onboard ;\
[06:11] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: which is what?
[06:11] <hikaru79> Anyone here have WINE experience?
[06:11] <hikaru79> I'm running Photoshop under WINE
[06:11] <hikaru79> But I can't seem to add any text because all of the fonts say that no system font could be found
[06:11] <Dreamer3> hikaru79: yeah, it played D2 way better than i ever though it would years ago
[06:11] <Dwayne_> Bullet	Integrated Intel Extreme 3D Graphics
[06:11] <encryptio> i've got absolutely nothing running under wine
[06:12] <hikaru79> Even the one one font that IS in the windows/fonts/ directory
[06:12] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: don't know
[06:14] <be80be> powernow-k8: BIOS error - no PSB what this mean
[06:15] <be80be> you all quit
[06:16] <u404> i am installing ubuntu, and now formatting the partitions
[06:16] <Twiggy> How can I turn on dma to my cdrom drive?  My dvd playback is 00ber choppy
[06:16] <u404> can any one tell me, what does bootable flag mean?
[06:16] <crimsun> Twiggy: what device is it?
[06:16] <d8uv> I just came to say that Ubuntu rules pretty hard
[06:17] <goldfish> lol
[06:18] <crimsun> Twiggy: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdX (replace X with the appropriate character corresponding to your DVD drive)
[06:18] <Twiggy> crimsun:  Thanks
[06:18] <Twiggy> crimsun:  Is that permanent or will I have to do it again after a reboot?
[06:19] <crimsun> Twiggy: it can be made permanent.
[06:19] <HaloGray> u404, bootable flag means the partition which will be read as a boot partition
[06:19] <u404> thanks
[06:19] <HaloGray> You'd want your primary nix partition to be that, and if you have grub set up you can still use it to choose windows
[06:20] <jay> Has anybody tried netboot with PXE using the files in netboot.tar.gz?  I get to the installer fine, and it grabs some extra files from my local mirror, but doesn't appear to obtain the required IDE modules (the hard disk can't get accessed).  This happens with hoary and warty for me.
[06:20] <crimsun> Twiggy: see /etc/hdparm.conf
[06:20] <Twiggy> crimsun:  thankya
[06:21] <u404> HaloGray, i have right now w2k on the same HDD, if I turn that bootable flag on  ubuntu partition, will i be able to choose between w2k and ubuntu, when PC is turned on?
[06:22] <tene> got a bit of a problem installing ubuntu here...
[06:22] <HaloGray> yeah
[06:22] <tene> it's freaking out trying to install the locales package
[06:22] <tene> and the error is about not being able to load locales.
[06:22] <HaloGray> so long as grub is set up properly... and you can go back and fix anything that goes sour there once you're booted into ubuntu
[06:23] <u404> and.. what filesystem should i choose?
[06:24] <goldfish> i heard it doesn't like fat32
[06:24] <u404> I chose ext3, but as i know nothing about them, i am not sure, if that is the right choice
[06:24] <HaloGray> the default ext3 with a swap is fine for your first install and if you're the only user
[06:24] <crimsun> tene: what program is spitting errors, dpkg?
[06:24] <LeeColleton> How do I browse the files on a bluetooth device?
[06:24] <tene> crimsun: apt-get
[06:24] <Dwayne_> ahh
[06:24] <Dwayne_> i hate ubuntu
[06:24] <Dwayne_> lol
[06:24] <Dwayne_> my screen size is 640xblah ;\
[06:24] <Dwayne_> windows was 1024x784 thingy ;\
[06:24] <crimsun> tene: please paste a snippet of the errors onto http://pastebin.ca
[06:24] <jay> Dwayne_: then adjust it
[06:25] <HaloGray> sounds more like an xwindows issue
[06:25] <Dwayne_> it wont let me
[06:25] <crimsun> tene: or #flood
[06:25] <HaloGray> ubuntu picked my max res by default
[06:25] <HaloGray> what video card do you have?
[06:25] <Dwayne_> Intel Extreme 3D Graphics
[06:25] <jay> Dwayne_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:25] <HaloGray> listen to jay
[06:25] <Dwayne_> ahh
[06:25] <Dwayne_> i selected Medium
[06:25] <Dwayne_> do i select Advance?
[06:25] <jay> i don't recall
[06:26] <jay> wouldn't hurt
[06:26] <goldfish> if i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 now it doesnt ask me anything about resoltion
[06:26] <goldfish> any reason why that may happen?
[06:26] <goldfish> it did the first time i ran it
[06:26] <Dreamer3> goldfish: first time only config?
[06:27] <goldfish> ah shitebags
[06:27] <goldfish> Maybe that is it.
[06:27] <goldfish> Is there anyway I can get back to that?
[06:27] <farruinn> goldfish: maybe apt-get remove --purge xserver-xfree86 would do it
[06:27] <dr_willis> Hmm. I got a TV Tuner Card on order. Hauppage 350 - dare i ask how easy this thing will be to setup under Ubuntu? :P
[06:27] <farruinn> dunno though
[06:27] <jay> goldfish: what do you want to do?
[06:27] <goldfish> reconfigure it
[06:27] <tene> 'kay, pasting to #flood
[06:27] <jay> goldfish: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ?
[06:27] <farruinn> goldfish: or if you just edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[06:28] <HaloGray> dr_willis: I have that card... it was a bitch to get working in Windows XD
[06:28] <be80be> ok I'm on the net ubuntu loaded my eth0 net card debian testing couldnt find it but for the life of me i cant find out what module is loaded ispci dosnt tell dmesg dosnt tell so were do i look now lsmod dosnt say what mod it is and i dont think it is built in because it loaded 1 when i installed ubuntu
[06:28] <pussfeller> my hauppenpage was autodetected
[06:28] <pussfeller> at least the modules are loaded
[06:28] <HaloGray> I haven't a clue how it'd fly on ubuntu
[06:28] <Dreamer3> be80be: if it's loaded sep, it's a module
[06:28] <pussfeller> is there something better than xawtv
[06:28] <dr_willis> HaloGray,  lol. :P easier under linux? i got an Older tv card - that mandrake and suse both saw very well.. but its an old nasty card. Updateing it. and making a new machine.. Looking at useing MythTV or Freevo also.
[06:28] <ernesto> hello people
[06:29] <pussfeller> freevo has a nice looking interface for music
[06:29] <ernesto> I need help with aim
[06:29] <dr_willis> guess i will find out when the thing gets here.
[06:30] <be80be> but there is no listing of a mod for eth0 this is a amd 64
[06:30] <dr_willis> Wanting to be able to record some tv shows.. and perhaps copy them to dvd to watch at work.
[06:30] <jay> ernesto: you need to clarify.
[06:30] <linux_galore> ernesto: just us gaim total no brainer
[06:30] <ernesto> I need to know how I can add my acount
[06:30] <dr_willis> Or i saw that 'creative' has some sort of mini-media player. :P but that may not be very workable.
[06:30] <jay> be80be: could try poking around in /proc
[06:30] <ernesto> to other msn user
[06:31] <linux_galore> ernesto: aim has nothing to do with msn
[06:31] <be80be> looked all over ti
[06:31] <be80be> it
[06:31] <jay> be80be: remove a module at a time until it stops working? lol
[06:31] <ernesto> when the other has eliminated me
[06:32] <Dreamer3> what package is the ubuntu monthly calendar?
[06:32] <ernesto> pardon me
[06:32] <ernesto> is Gaim
[06:32] <mdz> dreamer: ubuntu-calendar
[06:32] <ernesto> Im taking about Gaim
[06:32] <HaloGray> hey... is there something like rainlendar available for gnome?
[06:32] <HaloGray> that'd be kickin rad
[06:33] <rellik> which package has divx codecs? (for totem, the nautilus thumbail generator thingy)
[06:33] <Dreamer3> mdz: which category is it in? main, uni, etc?
[06:33] <mdz> dreamer: main
[06:33] <goldfish> farruinn: The resoltions in that config file are "1680 x 1050" but the max resolution i can pick in Screen resolution settings is 1400 x 1050, any ideas why this is?
[06:34] <farruinn> goldfish: probably sync range
[06:34] <goldfish> farruinn: sorry, newb here, what does that mean
[06:34] <farruinn> if you have your monitor manual you're in luck
[06:34] <Dwayne_> well ubuntu is going in the trash
[06:34] <neom> hm
[06:34] <goldfish> oh right
[06:34] <Dreamer3> mdz: if i'm wanting to install on a non-ubunut system should i just get the tar.gzs?
[06:34] <goldfish> farruinn: im on a laptop
[06:34] <farruinn> goldfish: oh, not sure that'd be the problem then
[06:34] <farruinn> I've never configured X on a laptop
[06:35] <goldfish> ah right
[06:35] <goldfish> hrmm...
[06:35] <goldfish> Is there a next resolution up from 1680 x 1050 ?
[06:35] <goldfish> i may put in a larger one and see what happens
[06:35] <neom> The kde copy in synaptic has 404s, and so I can't get it. Anyone have any suggestions as to how I might have this fixed?
[06:35] <Dreamer3> goldfish: umm... this is a laptop LCD?
[06:35] <goldfish> yeah
[06:36] <HaloGray> what resolution can the laptop's LCD handle?
[06:36] <goldfish> well this is 1680 x 1050
[06:36] <Dreamer3> neom: wait on the servers... apt-get update?
[06:36] <ernesto> Hey
[06:36] <regeya> holy moly...I can't believe that no one had posted that to the kino website yet...dang it all, the 'audio sync' problem in exported MPEGs was fixed for me by adding '-F 4' to the command line options for mpeg2enc.  The framerate was wrong.
[06:36] <Dreamer3> goldfish: i dunno then
[06:36] <goldfish> Dreamer3: ah right
[06:36] <neom> what does apt-get update do?
[06:36] <ernesto> What's up with my question
[06:37] <farruinn> neom: updates apt's list of available packages
[06:37] <crimsun> ernesto: could you rephrase, please?
[06:37] <HaloGray> ernesto... you should be able to add multiple msn accounts to gaim
[06:37] <neom> Is it ok to run on hoary? (it's not going to change it back to warty or anything funky like that?
[06:37] <Xenguy> omg
[06:37] <regeya> so if you're trying to use kino for a home movie, and attempt to export to MPEg to burn to DVD, and the audio gets way out of whack, add '-F 4' to the list of options for mpeg2enc (if you're creating NTSC video)
[06:37] <ernesto> How I can add my msn account to other person account when he has eliminated me
[06:38] <regeya> uh...sometimes I think that some linux people try too hard to make linux into os x
[06:38] <ernesto> in gaim
[06:38] <farruinn> ernesto: you mean y ou want to add your nick to his buddy list?
[06:38] <Dreamer3> regeya: never used os x
[06:38] <Xenguy> die
[06:38] <LinkMasterSab> Dreamer3: Windows is a damned good thing to emulate in a quite a few places
[06:38] <regeya> as soon as I see a non-screensaver bsod, I'll agree that linux is getting too windows-like. ;-)
[06:38] <crimsun> ernesto: no idea, have you asked in #gaim ?
[06:38] <ernesto> no
[06:38] <LinkMasterSab> And not literally emulate of course, but ... copy.
[06:38] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: sure, but don't say you're windows until you are :)
[06:39] <ernesto> my account
[06:39] <ernesto> add me
[06:39] <regeya> or as soon as running fsck fouls up init, I'll agree.
[06:39] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: things won't just work until vendors properly support linux
[06:39] <HaloGray> ernesto... I'd love to help but I'm not understanding the problem
[06:39] <Zotnix> oh! Screensavers... that reminds me. Screensavers that use your screen as part of it don't work here. They display the default image in the screensaver.
[06:39] <ernesto> ok
[06:39] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: we don't want to be wind0ze
[06:39] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: until them (some) linux users live in a second rate world
[06:39] <ernesto> pardon for my bad english Im a Dominican boy
[06:39] <Zotnix> Anyway to fix them?
[06:40] <pussfeller> pussfeller
[06:40] <HaloGray> are you trying to add somebody elses msn account to your gaim?
[06:40] <rellik> is there some way to change nautilus to use vlc instead of totem to generate thumbnials for videos?  totem won't do divx
[06:40] <LinkMasterSab> Dreamer3: Yeah. There's a reason I'm considering moving back to Windows already.
[06:40] <regeya> Dreamer3, amen
[06:40] <regeya> amen to vendor support
[06:40] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: true... but the idea seems (if you want to attract the non-technically included) to become more and more like it
[06:40] <neom> ernesto - You get lots of canadians going on holiday to the dominican?
[06:41] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: wind0ze is not that to which we aspire
[06:41] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: 3d has never worked right on my lapotp... and the hardware acceleration drivers are just coming up to speed years after the hardware was released :)
[06:41] <ernesto> when a person erase your account of his msn, what you can do for to add your account to his msn
[06:41] <LinkMasterSab> Calling Microsoft "M$" and calling Windows "Wind0ze" is pretty stupid.
[06:41] <HaloGray> like... if they were to block you?
[06:41] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: not a perfect linux world i live in :)
[06:41] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: We aspire to useable, friendly, free software
[06:41] <trey3> Xenguy: he's not saying that though... he's saying Windows does some things well... reinventing the wheel for the sake of it is counter-productive...
[06:41] <HaloGray> LinkMasterSab: I agree. INTERNET EXPLODER LOL
[06:42] <Xenguy> trey3: free software is not "re-inventing the wheel" -- it's creating something new :-)
[06:42] <LinkMasterSab> HaloGray: Internet Explorer is pretty bad compared to the opposition now though, you must admit. But it's hardly terrible.
[06:42] <neom> crossover office scares me.
[06:42] <regeya> LinkMasterSab, evaluate what your current issues are; in some cases, as a last-ditch resort, there are proprietary solutions available.  Case in point: my main printer is properly supported by Turboprint right now.  As soon as an equivalent Gimp-Print driver is out, I'll use it.  I'm reluctant to help because I've ruined hardware with bad drivers before (my own fault.)
[06:42] <Dreamer3> i'm saying i think the linux community (particularly "friendly" distros) gives too many people the ide ayou pop in a CD and it "just works" and it's not there yet
[06:42] <HaloGray> I'm a web developer... don't talk to me about IE not being horrible
[06:42] <HaloGray> It's horrible...
[06:42] <pussfeller> heh
[06:42] <Xenguy> The FOSS angle is lost on you people most of the time, which is dreadful
[06:42] <neom> And the fact that someone has developed a distro to run ms shit, is annoying.
[06:43] <Dreamer3> HaloGray: amen :)
[06:43] <regeya> I remember IE back when it was Mosaic :-P
[06:43] <trey3> Xenguy: you're wrong... many things in GNOME were taken from other desktops etc... not because they were from that other OS, but because they were the right thing to do.
[06:43] <Dreamer3> HaloGray: but if it just didn't add those 3 pixels to floats i could forigve most :)
[06:43] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: huh?
[06:43] <Kokey> Hey! somebody have a Dell with a BCM modem? there is a driver for this winmodem?
[06:43] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: exactly, and that is what frustrates me -- it creates the impression that we aspire to windows, which is what first caught my eye about your comments ;-)
[06:43] <LinkMasterSab> HaloGray: Okay, yeah, never mind, its compliance to standards is something we wouldn't call compliance
[06:43] <ernesto> what's up
[06:44] <HaloGray> On a user/browser level it's still pretty bad though...
[06:44] <HaloGray> On the pure basis that it uses 'zone' security
[06:44] <farruinn> ernesto: _you_ cannot control _his_ gaim...
[06:44] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: it just saddens me to see people who don't know anything about linux asking basic questions... because the goal (evidentally) is to make it open to less and less technically skilled, but it's not ready on all hardware
[06:44] <HaloGray> that whole thing was a terrible idea from the get go
[06:44] <Dreamer3> the much of the software is far from usable :)
[06:44] <ernesto> I know that
[06:44] <pussfeller> i have made alot of money lately off of windows explorers so shh
[06:44] <Dreamer3> (as defined by usability professionals)
[06:44] <tuppa> anyone here running the amd64 arch of ubuntu hedgehog?
[06:44] <HaloGray> it's so easy to hack up 'uhhh, hey IE... I sure am a local file... let me edit everything on the local drive now'
[06:44] <ernesto> but must be a trick for add your account to his msn
[06:44] <goldfish> how to update /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[06:44] <pussfeller> and people not running windows update
[06:45] <goldfish> after u alter it
[06:45] <HaloGray> and if you look at most of IE's security updates, they've been patching that very thing
[06:45] <wolf1502> tuppa im running warty 64bit
[06:45] <farruinn> ernesto: I don't understand what you mean by "add your account to his msn"
[06:45] <regeya> another proprietary example: once upon a time, back when alsa was someone's wet dream, commercial oss was always a good bet if you had a newish popular soundcard and wanted supported rather than buying a new card (back then, the drivers were actually cheaper than a SB16)
[06:45] <HaloGray> until the 'zone' security is dropped from IE, I don't see ever recommending it on a secure level
[06:45] <HaloGray> even if they do get a hold on the active x issues
[06:45] <ernesto> add you I dont know how say it
[06:45] <Xenguy> windows is a mess in so many ways - it is just as easy for me to trash it, as it is for you guys to praise it
[06:45] <LinkMasterSab> HaloGray: Firefox <3
[06:45] <regeya> proprietary isn't necessarily evil if it's the only current choice and isn't produced by an evil company, imho...and illness kicking in again, clear a path to the bathroom, bbiab
[06:46] <Dreamer3> HaloGray: XP SP2 is nice
[06:46] <Xenguy> why you insist on praising windows I really don't understand
[06:46] <Dreamer3> HaloGray: as nice as IE can get i think :)
[06:46] <HaloGray> Dreamer3:  I agree
[06:46] <Xenguy> XP is butt ugly - horrible to look at
[06:46] <LinkMasterSab> Xenguy: I find more quality software on Windows, it's easier to use, it doesn't tend to piss me off at the moment.
[06:46] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: then change it
[06:46] <HaloGray> SP2 had some amazing jumps in IE security
[06:46] <ernesto> for example when you erase a contact of msn
[06:46] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: who's praising windows?
[06:46] <trey3> Xenguy: ok... but windows does some things right... reinventing a good idea usually ends up bad  :/
[06:46] <HaloGray> but it still has a zone core... and as long as it has that, it's going to be exploited
[06:46] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: we're trying, but here you are praising it ;-)
[06:46] <Xenguy> trey3: sure
[06:46] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: i just know a LOT of my hardware works flawlessly on windows and still doesn't work on linux
[06:46] <farruinn> ernesto: you want to add him to your buddy list?
[06:47] <LinkMasterSab> And I disagree, since Windows XP looks good to me.
[06:47] <pussfeller> thats the thing with ms, they they just wont play nice and they are too powerful and too untrustworthy to be allowed to continure having that much influence over the tech world
[06:47] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: flawlessly?  Including the viruses, spyware, and inflated cost?
[06:47] <ernesto> no I want to add me to his buddy lisst
[06:47] <LinkMasterSab> pussfeller, welcome to fucking capitalism :)
[06:47] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: give me a break, you must be trolling
[06:47] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: a lot of that is user education (except for IE)
[06:47] <farruinn> ernesto: ok, if I understand what you're saying, you cannot do that
[06:47] <trey3> Dreamer3: I find that hard to believe... XP is 4 years old... enless you mean after you installed 3rd party drivers?
[06:47] <HaloGray> ernesto, if you add him to your buddy list he'll get a notice that you did and have an option to add you
[06:47] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: i ran windows (with firefox) and never had any of those problems
[06:47] <HaloGray> that's the closest you can get
[06:47] <ivar> is there a way for a non root user to find the IP associated with eth0 ? ifconfig requires root...
[06:48] <HaloGray> you can add yourself to somebody elses buddy list though... though any program
[06:48] <pussfeller> it wont be capitalism that MS uses to keep its market share in the future, i assure you
[06:48] <LinkMasterSab> Dreamer3: I've been running Ubuntu for a week now.
[06:48] <LinkMasterSab> And Windows never gave me any real problems.
[06:48] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: i'm not trolling :) I have a thinkpad, and accelerated video is flakey (but improving every day) sound doesn't survive suspend/resume, no dual-head, etc
[06:48] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: you're 'dreaming' frankly -- read the experiences of others -- it is a horrible, defenceless OS, completely under attack by crippling malware
[06:48] <ernesto> there's no matter with that I just want to add me
[06:48] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: windows works much better when run by technically included...
[06:49] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: i know a few sys admins who never have those types of problems but i fix windows pcs all the time from regular joes that do
[06:49] <pussfeller> MS will use IP and the courts to fight FOSS and will rpobably win at least in the usa
[06:49] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: if yer not connected to the Net, I'm sure wind0ze behaves just fine :P
[06:49] <trey3> Xenguy: by default... sure... defaults are there to be changed though   :/
[06:49] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: i think windows is mostly superior in hardware support
[06:49] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: if i could have all the hardware drivers on linux that'd seal the deal for me
[06:49] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: but some corps need office, and other windows apps
[06:49] <LinkMasterSab> Dreamer3: That's generally because manufacturers provide drivers to Windows and not Linux.
[06:49] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: i know :)
[06:50] <trey3> Dreamer3: wrong... there are just more 3rd party drivers  :/
[06:50] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: it's because linux is the minority
[06:50] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: there are so many problems with windows, that frankly I cannot take you seriously any longer.  Let's concentrate on creating an alternative to that mess, shall we?
[06:50] <Dreamer3> trey3: huh?
[06:50] <LinkMasterSab> Yeah.
[06:50] <LinkMasterSab> It'll remain the minority.
[06:50] <Dreamer3> trey3: well, right
[06:50] <LinkMasterSab> You'll never see it rise over Windows unless it becomes easier to use.
[06:50] <ernesto> now do you understand?
[06:50] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: sure, i run linux :)  but our customers use windows :)
[06:50] <pussfeller> yup linkmaster
[06:50] <LinkMasterSab> Since your average Windows user doesn't know what a command prompt is
[06:50] <trey3> Dreamer3: like I said... Windows is 4 years old... if you have new hardware... Windows won't support it... Linux supports most hardware out of the box...
[06:51] <pussfeller> and linux has gotten 100x more user friendly over the last couple years
[06:51] <LinkMasterSab> It's more like magic to them; they click the internet on, check email, chat with people...
[06:51] <Dreamer3> trey3: hmmmmmm, perhaps :)
[06:51] <peloverde> I just migrated to ubuntu today, and despite the rocky install i love it
[06:51] <Dreamer3> trey3: windows xp supports anything in the last year or two OTB has been my experience
[06:51] <regeya> pussfeller, indeed
[06:51] <LinkMasterSab> Linux requires quite some understanding with how things work.
[06:51] <trey3> Dreamer3: umm... how can it? its a 4 year old OS... :/
[06:52] <Dreamer3> but i'm not argueing for windows, was only talking about hardware support for non-mainstream stuff (laptops, integrated, fringe, etc)
[06:52] <Dreamer3> trey3: SP1, SP2
[06:52] <regeya> LinkMasterSab, the same is true of any OS, if you're installing on your own.
[06:52] <Dreamer3> trey3: they come on media
[06:52] <LinkMasterSab> regeya: Installing XP takes no intelligence.
[06:52] <pussfeller> the move to more and more apps being web-based will help linux as well
[06:52] <trey3> Dreamer3: thats not Windows though...
[06:52] <LinkMasterSab> You hit OK a few times.
[06:52] <trey3> LinkMasterSab: Installing Ubuntu did?
[06:52] <Dreamer3> trey3: yeah it is :)
[06:52] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: anyway, this is a Ubuntu support channel, right?  Why are you on about wind0ze here anyway?
[06:53] <gobeavs> cuz its a competitor
[06:53] <Dreamer3> trey3: windows xp OEM w/SP2... :)
[06:53] <LinkMasterSab> trey3: No, but he said installing Windows did.
[06:53] <trey3> Dreamer3: its really not... thats driver discs   :/
[06:53] <gobeavs> its like a windows forum talking about the threat of linux
[06:53] <u404> i installed ubuntu, rebooted and choosed test apt sources..., but because i can use internet only trough VPN, now the system trys to connect  to security.ubuntu.com several times
[06:53] <LinkMasterSab> trey3: Or rather, any OS.
[06:53] <Dreamer3> trey3: it's full install media, i just used it the other day :)
[06:53] <regeya> LinkMasterSab, are you referring to an off-the-shelf XP on random hardware, or an OEM copy?
[06:53] <u404> is there a way to cancel this process?
[06:53] <daniels> guys, offtopic
[06:53] <Xenguy> gobeavs: it's off-topic when carried to this extreme
[06:53] <gobeavs> XP does fine with new hardware
[06:53] <Dreamer3> buy OEM and a mouse...
[06:53] <Xenguy> daniels: thank you
[06:54] <LinkMasterSab> regeya: Take XP or Ubuntu to a machine with "random hardware" and you're much more likely to get XP running
[06:54] <gobeavs> this isn't OT
[06:54] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: i agree
[06:54] <gobeavs> we are talking about hardware compatibility
[06:54] <Xenguy> gobeavs: of course it is
[06:54] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: not that it's ubuntu's fault or anything
[06:54] <farruinn> this discussion is much more suited for #ubuntuforums
[06:54] <regeya> LinkMasterSab, I've had hardware where Windows installs were hell and mainstream Linux installs required no intervention.  Ubuntu may not have the pretty installer, but I put very little thought into it.
[06:54] <trey3> LinkMasterSab: very wrong... in my experience at least... usually have graphics and sound issues with Windows... no such issues on Linux...
[06:55] <regeya> I put less thought into installing Ubuntu on this hardware than I did into the last Mac Panther install I did.
[06:55] <Dreamer3> trey3: all depends on hardware :)
[06:55] <pussfeller> speaking of that, should i file a bug with warty not being able to auto install my azt2320 soundcard
[06:55] <LinkMasterSab> trey3: Really? I've had much more trouble with Linux installs with hardware.
[06:55] <Dreamer3> i think linux has the mainstream coverered really well, but when you get into obscure things that techies dont use it's not so rosey
[06:55] <pussfeller> or just wait til the next release is out and check
[06:55] <regeya> LinkMasterSab, it's all very relative. :-)
[06:55] <Dreamer3> that's why 3d on my savage integrate lappy video has taken years to come about
[06:55] <farruinn> pussfeller: find out if anyone is having the same problem in hoary
[06:55] <regeya> Dreamer3 says it well
[06:56] <daniels> pussfeller: if you want, you can try the Hoary live CD from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com, and see if the problem still occurs there
[06:56] <pussfeller> thats a good idea
[06:56] <regeya> also LinkMasterSab it also depends on whether or not your hardware vendors are cooperative on specs or if they're BPHBFHs
[06:56] <regeya> (Bastard Pointy-Haired-Bosses From Hell)
[06:56] <hikaru79> Does wine have an IRC chan?
[06:56] <LinkMasterSab> regeya: Dilbert yay.
[06:56] <crimsun> pussfeller: does manually modprobing snd-azt2320 work?
[06:56] <trey3> Dreamer3: not really... I installed Windows on about 300 machines... same machines with Fedora, Ubuntu and SUSE... no issues with the Linux distro's, could expect at least graphics and sound issues on Windows...
[06:56] <pussfeller> yes, thats waht I had to do
[06:57] <LinkMasterSab> It's okay though. I'm only 16. I'll live to see much better Linux and slightly better Windows
[06:57] <meandyou> I am having problem exporting NFS share, here is what I did
[06:57] <regeya> heh
[06:57] <meandyou> /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start
[06:57] <daniels> trey3: dude, please just let the discussion die
[06:57] <Dreamer3> trey3: well, with windows you might have to find and install the latest graphics/sound drivers :)
[06:57] <farruinn> pussfeller: isn't there a file you can add that to?
[06:57] <Dreamer3> trey3: with linux sometimes they aren't available, is my only point :)
[06:57] <meandyou> portmap start first
[06:57] <meandyou> exportfs
[06:57] <trey3> daniels: no offense dude... but I don't see anything more interesting being discussed?
[06:58] <regeya> or perhaps the discussion could go to a more generic disscusion, or it could continue privmsg
[06:58] <trey3> Dreamer3: I've yet to see it...
[06:58] <farruinn> trey3: this is a support channel. #ubuntuforums is a discussion channel
[06:58] <regeya> now, see there, there's something I'd never even heard of.
[06:58] <crimsun> farruinn: yes (/etc/modules), but the bug is that it isn't autodetected
[06:58] <regeya> #ubuntuforums!
[06:58] <Dreamer3> trey3: ok, on _my_ laptop :) windows had better hardware support ;-)
[06:58] <Xenguy> BTW, to the Ubuntu developers, I handed off a Warty CD to a friend at work (he's been interested in trying out Linux), and he installed it without a hitch this past weekend.  His comment was "Wow" :-)  He is still trying to figure out how to print form the Ubu to a printer on his mostly windows network, but other than that, it 'just worked' -- thanks a lot for your hard work!  He's really impressed by it :-)
[06:58] <pussfeller> farruinn, you add that to a file in etc, but I was more thinking of the autodetection in the installation
[06:58] <farruinn> crimsun: ah, got it
[06:58] <trey3> farruinn: so is #ubuntu-offtopic ... but there is no one ever in there   :/
[06:59] <regeya> there should be a channel guideline list, with a list of channels, and it should be the first thing in the /topic
[06:59] <Zotnix> heh, when I was 16 I was locked into Windows with no alternative at all.
[06:59] <Dreamer3> whoa
[06:59] <Zotnix> mother would hate if I ruined the family computer ;)
[06:59] <Dreamer3> some of these ubuntu wallpapers :)
[06:59] <LinkMasterSab> Zotnix: I had to install my own HD and buy my own hardware to get it running
[06:59] <Zotnix> I actually had a nasty habit of taking apart old computers and never putting them back together.
[06:59] <regeya> there is NO ONE in #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:59] <meandyou> can anyone help me set up my NFS server under ubuntu
[06:59] <pussfeller> communication happens spontaneously tho
[07:00] <LinkMasterSab> Zotnix: I have three cases in my room. Two of them don't work anymore.
[07:00] <regeya> and #ubuntuforums is hopping
[07:00] <gobeavs> what is ubuntuforums for anyway>
[07:00] <gobeavs> ?
[07:00] <LinkMasterSab> woooo 23 users
[07:00] <goldfish> gobeavs: disussions
[07:00] <regeya> well, since #ubuntu is for nothing other than support...
[07:00] <trey3> regeya: yup... hopping... still yet to see a comment  :/
[07:01] <Zotnix> So I imagine we should move off topic non-support stuff to Ubuntuforums?
[07:01] <_slice_> and a discussion of the relative merits of windows/linux/panther etc gets tedious after the first 1000 times
[07:01] <_slice_> worthy as it is...
[07:01] <Dreamer3> where can i get the background on the ubuntu homepage?
[07:01] <Dreamer3> of the login
[07:01] <dud> heh, if my 200GB drive ext3 wont get defragmented from this, it never will
[07:02] <dud> moving around, compressing and deleting about 7000 files
[07:03] <goldfish> Dreamer3: You already have it.
[07:03] <unperson> Anybody still looking for an app to display CPU temps, you might look at EmiFreq  http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=406
[07:03] <Dreamer3> goldfish: no, i don't run ubuntu yet :)
[07:03] <goldfish> Dreamer3: oh right
[07:03] <goldfish> Dreamer3: it's installed with it
[07:03] <Dreamer3> goldfish: i just downloaded all the wallpapers and they were a little but riske, but i like the login
[07:03] <u404> i read, that there is no VPN wizard in Gnome, how can i configure a VPN then?
[07:03] <Dreamer3> goldfish: well what pacakge is it in? :)
[07:03] <goldfish> Dreamer3: u get a few logins as standard
[07:03] <goldfish> emm..
[07:04] <Dreamer3> goldfish: take one of the login screens and dpkg -S it
[07:04] <Dreamer3> goldfish: once you find where they are :)
[07:05] <Dreamer3> maybe it's ubuntu-artwork, but i'd hate to download a large file just to be wrong
[07:05] <Dreamer3> goldfish: dpkg -L ubuntu-artwork | less
[07:05] <Dreamer3> goldfish: see if that looks right
[07:05] <Dreamer3> u404: by hand?
[07:05] <Dreamer3> u404: by reading a how-to?
[07:06] <goldfish> Dreamer3: /usr/share/gdm/themes/HumanCircle/HumanCircle.xml ??
[07:06] <Dreamer3> goldfish: are there png/jpg files as well?
[07:07] <goldfish> Dreamer3: yes
[07:08] <u404> Dreamer3, maybe you can give me a link to a how-to?
[07:08] <Dreamer3> downlaoding it :)
[07:08] <Dreamer3> u404: try google, i don't know, never tried
[07:08] <Dreamer3> u404: i use ssh for any sys admin stuff i need to do
[07:09] <Dreamer3> u404: and rsync via ssh for transferring files
[07:09] <goldfish> Dreamer3: yeah it's cool
[07:09] <goldfish> eh..
[07:09] <goldfish> hrmm...
[07:09] <goldfish> lol
[07:10] <bitfoo> how do i tell gstreamer to use something else besides esd :|
[07:10] <Dreamer3> i may end up putting ubuntu on new pcs and just using the artwork on mine :)
[07:10] <Dreamer3> of course eventually i'll get tired of that image
[07:10] <goldfish> art.gnome.org have nice ones
[07:10] <meandyou> I have added my share in /etc/exports, started portmap and NFS server then issued exportfs but i cant access the share from clients. what am i missing here
[07:10] <unperson> u404, Did you try looking at ubuntuforums.org?
[07:11] <Dreamer3> goldfish: i don't run ghome
[07:11] <Dreamer3> unperson: did'nt think of that :)
[07:11] <Dreamer3> forms always a good place to look
[07:11] <Dreamer3> or evne ask there
[07:11] <Dreamer3> amazing what you can get if you aren't in a hurry
[07:12] <trey3> bitfoo: Computer > Preferences > Multimedia System Selector <-- thats a gstreamer util afaik...
[07:12] <trey3> bitfoo: description even says it is  8)
[07:13] <Dreamer3> meandyou: can you accuess the share locally?
[07:13] <Dreamer3> meandyou: over nFS?
[07:14] <bitfoo> trey3, are you in hoary?
[07:14] <trey3> bitfoo: yes... thats the location in Warty though  :/
[07:14] <bitfoo> theres only desktop preferences
[07:14] <bitfoo> not plain preferences in warty
[07:14] <trey3> bitfoo: eh... that...
[07:14] <bitfoo> and no multimedia system selector :|
[07:15] <trey3> bitfoo: It was there when I was using warty... been there since 2.6 afaik
[07:15] <bitfoo> well i mean i can take a screenshot for ya but it aint there lol
[07:16] <trey3> bitfoo: 'gstreamer-properties' <-- run that, same thing
[07:16] <bitfoo> ahh ok
[07:16] <bitfoo> nice
[07:17] <crimsun> (confirmed, not a menu item)
[07:18] <pepperpot> Yay! I've finished upgrading sid to hoary
[07:18] <pepperpot> works much better now
[07:18] <Dreamer3> pepperpot: hmmm
[07:18] <Dreamer3> sarge -> warty or no?
[07:19] <pepperpot> no, i've never done sarge -> warty
[07:19] <pepperpot> sid is pretty broken
[07:19] <zenrox>                                               whos the nivida god
[07:19] <pepperpot> so hoary is an improvement
[07:19] <Dreamer3> that's why i've never run sid :)
[07:19] <pepperpot> zenrox: nvidia is the nvidia god
[07:19] <trey3> zenrox:                                                      Why are you typing over here?
[07:19] <zenrox> dont know
[07:19] <pepperpot> trey3: right justify?
[07:20] <zenrox> pepperpot,  but nivda ant god when its broke
[07:20] <zenrox> lol
[07:20] <Dreamer3> trey3:                                                           no one clued you in?  it's in style
[07:20] <pepperpot> zenrox: maybe it's an evil god
[07:20] <zenrox> hehehehhe
[07:20] <trey3> Dreamer3:                                                                    guess I missed the memo  :(
[07:20] <zenrox> probly so
[07:20] <pepperpot> I         like                 fill                 justify,           personally
[07:20] <zenrox> so whos up to truble shouting nv fx5200 pci
[07:20] <Dreamer3> oh, got artwork :)
[07:20] <Dreamer3> now lets go see
[07:21] <zenrox> brand now card and ubuntu warty wont boot when the card is in the system
[07:21] <pepperpot> depends. What's the trouble?
[07:21] <pepperpot> yikes. I have no experience with that, sorry
[07:21] <zenrox> its ok any one else
[07:21] <crimsun> zenrox: ask in #nvidia
[07:22] <Neo_654> zerox will the system post?
[07:22] <zenrox> Neo_654,  up to "starting hotplug"
[07:22] <Dreamer3> ok
[07:22] <zenrox> then locks up
[07:22] <Dreamer3> that is pretty bright for a background
[07:22] <Dreamer3> but nice
[07:22] <zenrox> i assume a kernel panic happens
[07:23] <Dreamer3> looks like you have to have 24bit color to really appreciate things though...
[07:23] <zenrox> even warty live cd kernal panics
[07:23] <u404> unperson, not yet..
[07:23] <zenrox> tho knoppix uses the card just fine
[07:23] <Neo_654> zenrox: So your running a mobo that has built in video and then connecting the new card into AGP or PCI?
[07:23] <zenrox> pci
[07:23] <Dreamer3> is the ubuntu warty iso any smaller bziped?
[07:23] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[07:23] <crimsun> I wasn't aware hotplug had been modified to attend to graphics cards
[07:23] <Neo_654> zenrox: any other PCI card in?
[07:24] <zenrox> built in = agp , new card = pci
[07:24] <zenrox> just a modem
[07:24] <zenrox> that i dont use
[07:24] <Neo_654> Never mind that you already answered that.
[07:24] <trey3> Dreamer3: I'd imagin so...
[07:24] <unperson> u404, Well, I see some VPN threads on there.  Not sure there's a how-to, though.
[07:24] <crimsun> is it possible to disable the onboard agp?
[07:24] <zenrox> crimsun,  no
[07:24] <zenrox> knoppix dont care tho
[07:24] <Neo_654> Sounds like a configuration issue since booting off a livecd is doing a default boot.
[07:25] <zenrox> Neo_654, that for me
[07:25] <Neo_654> yes
[07:25] <zenrox> how so
[07:25] <zenrox> explain
[07:25] <Dreamer3> is the CD availalbe via rsync anywherE?
[07:26] <Dreamer3> crimsun: what did you use before ubuntu?
[07:26] <bitfoo> is there anyway to not use esd :|
[07:26] <trey3> Dreamer3: he used Debian  ;)
[07:26] <bitfoo> because i htink it is why all my sound is crappy in movies :|
[07:26] <Neo_654> zenrox; A liveCD does loads with some default and basic features.  Where you Ubuntu install is installed and all the drivers are set.
[07:27] <trey3> bitfoo: use raw alsa... and kill esd...
[07:27] <zenrox> Neo_654,  so the live cd kernel panics casue on allready installed config
[07:27] <bitfoo> i killed esd
[07:27] <bitfoo> but it always starts up by itself
[07:27] <bitfoo> whenever i play a video
[07:27] <Neo_654> zenrox; No the livecd doesn't cause the kernel panic.
[07:27] <bitfoo> so there must be some setting in gnome :|
[07:27] <crimsun> Dreamer3: I still use Debian. In fact, my main machine is Sid+experimental+Hoary with enough chroots and pbuilders to drive one batty.
[07:28] <trey3> bitfoo: what video player? set it to use alsa also?
[07:28] <zenrox> Neo_654,  so the live cd kernel panics becasue of allready installed config
[07:28] <zenrox> thats what i ment
[07:28] <Dreamer3> crimsun: pbuilder?
[07:28] <bitfoo> totem and done
[07:28] <Pierre_> hi all
[07:28] <bitfoo> but wait
[07:28] <bitfoo> how do i set gnome to use only alsa
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:28] <bitfoo> all i do before is ps aux | grep esd and then kill that process
[07:28] <crimsun> Dreamer3: apt-cache show pbuilder :-)
[07:28] <Neo_654> zenrox; I thought the livecd was knoppix and your installed OS was Ubuntu and the Ubuntu boot was going into panic.
[07:29] <trey3> bitfoo: totem-xine? you'd need to config it seperately....
[07:29] <crimsun> bitfoo: set gstreamer-properties to use alsasink, and disable system sound events
[07:29] <unperson> Ubuntu is basically based off of a snapshot of the Debian unstable repository at a certain time, correct?  Certain packages are then chosen to make a good, integrated system and more extensively tested.  That's the jist, right?
[07:29] <zenrox> Neo_654,  i assumed my ubuntu install is doing a kernal panic when it frezzes at "starting hotplug"
[07:29] <crimsun> bitfoo: then configure all the individual sound apps to use alsa directly
[07:29] <zenrox> Neo_654,  the warty live cd kernel panics at start up
[07:29] <goldfish> Anyone running on a dell 8600 ?
[07:29] <Pierre_> what isdn modems work well with ubuntu as my duxbury external is a pain
[07:30] <zenrox> Neo_654,  knoppix is what i am running right now
[07:30] <Dreamer3> crimsun: interesting, so it's kinda like debootstrap?
[07:30] <crimsun> unperson: so to speak
[07:30] <Neo_654> zenrox: Yes that is what it seems since the video has switched from the onboard to the PCI card.
[07:30] <Dreamer3> crimsun: except intender only for chroots?
[07:30] <zenrox> ok Neo_654  now get this hehehe warty is a fresh install
[07:30] <crimsun> unperson: a mix of sarge and sid (moreso the latter) with syncs and merges
[07:30] <zenrox> lol
[07:31] <zenrox> after i put the vid card in
[07:31] <Neo_654> zenrox; so you have no data on the install that you can't loose?
[07:31] <crimsun> unperson: many ubuntu packages have a full life of their own after merging
[07:31] <crimsun> Dreamer3: it essentially automates that ordeal, yes
[07:31] <zenrox> Neo_654,  just one dir i cant louse thats /home and thats a seprate partion im a good boy
[07:32] <unperson> crimsun, But outside of the ubuntu packages, universe is basically a frozen snapshot of sid, right?
[07:32] <crimsun> Dreamer3: very effective and highly recommended if you want to build packages
[07:32] <Dreamer3> crimsun: are you saying al ot of pacages are pulled out and then exclusively maintained by ubuntu?
[07:32] <Neo_654> zenrox: Did you install the Ubuntu after the install or the PCI card or before?
[07:32] <jason_> " Detected as eth0 and started working after modules.conf was edited (wlan0 to eth0)" Anyone know what this means I have to do?
[07:32] <crimsun> unperson: essentially, yes, at UVF.
[07:32] <Dreamer3> crimsun: hmmm, sid frozen?
[07:32] <zenrox> Neo_654,  pci card ,format  then install of warty
[07:32] <Dreamer3> so... multi-verse is what again?
[07:33] <Neo_654> zenrox: Oh heck...  That has me confused then.
[07:33] <crimsun> Dreamer3: only packages that are necessary and maintainable are moved from universe to main
[07:33] <trey3> Dreamer3: multiverse = non-free unsupported
[07:33] <Dreamer3> trey3: ah
[07:34] <Dreamer3> crimsun: so... gnome is main?
[07:34] <crimsun> Dreamer3: yes, since it's the base of Ubuntu
[07:34] <trey3> Dreamer3: yes
[07:34] <Dreamer3> ah
[07:34] <Cindux> :p
[07:34] <Cindux> wee
[07:34] <trey3> Dreamer3: all other desktop environments/window managers are in universe...
[07:34] <Dreamer3> crimsun: is ubunut compiled with different cflags than base debian?
[07:34] <Cindux> my barebone was shipped to me today :D
[07:35] <trey3> Dreamer3: yes
[07:35] <AndyFit1> does xorg work with fglrx in hoary yet  ( for the 9250 )
[07:35] <Dreamer3> trey3: it the different compared somewhere?
[07:35] <Dreamer3> trey3: i'd be happy if it was faster than debian
[07:36] <crimsun> brisgeek: yes, with current Hoary.
[07:36] <brisgeek> crimsun,  I know they are there..  so they work now ?
[07:36] <trey3> Dreamer3: it should be... at least load times etc... but no, its not compared anywhere that I know of...
[07:36] <crimsun> brisgeek: afaik, yes, but I don't use ATI hardware, so I can't confirm.
[07:36] <brisgeek> crumsun, everytime I tried them in the past I had unfortunate results
[07:37] <Dreamer3> trey3: why would load times be much faster?
[07:37] <brisgeek> bummer .  I might wait until someone with a 9250 can confirm
[07:37] <Dreamer3> crimsun: do you know the difference in cflags?
[07:37] <Dreamer3> trey3: and only main pacages would even be affected, right?
[07:37] <Dreamer3> trey3: are the other repositories official debian?
[07:37] <trey3> Dreamer3: no... all... Ubuntu compiles all Debian packages themselves...
[07:37] <crimsun> Dreamer3: err...there's a linker tweak iirc, but no major CFLAGS tweaking that I know of
[07:38] <unperson> crimsun, Ah so universe = sid main, and multiverse = sid non-free?
[07:38] <Dreamer3> trey3: interesting
[07:38] <Dreamer3> crimsun: so they're all 386 compiled like debian?
[07:38] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i swore i read something on that somewhere
[07:38] <sobralense> er.. if I remove the "hotplug" and put everything by hand, I need to load the ext3/reiserfs modules too?  ok, dummy question
[07:38] <crimsun> sobralense: no, that's in initrd
[07:39] <crimsun> Dreamer3: you'll need to dig deeper, because I don't know offhand. They may be optimised for 586+.
[07:39] <trey3> Dreamer3: this is one such difference for example: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=226909
[07:39] <sobralense> thats because I'm trying to remove some "automatic" things on ubuntu .. and load only what I really need
[07:40] <Dreamer3> trey3: looking
[07:40] <Dreamer3> crimsun: yeah, i should just google if my interenet weren't so darn slow
[07:42] <Dreamer3> trey3: interesting so far
[07:42] <crimsun> sobralense: removing 'hotplug' will unnecessarily complicate things
[07:42] <crimsun> sobralense: particularly for removable peripherals
[07:42] <Glin|Jol> hi all, i am having difficulty with nvidia drivers and ubuntu
[07:42] <Glin|Jol> whenever i startx, or starat runlevel 5, my x session freezes
[07:42] <Glin|Jol> no logs or anything
[07:43] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: Ubuntu, like Debian, doesn't play runlevel games. 2->5 are identical.
[07:43] <Glin|Jol> ahh
[07:43] <Glin|Jol> this is my first time trying ubuntu or debian so i am on thin ice heh
[07:43] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: are you using Warty or Hoary?
[07:43] <Glin|Jol> warty i believe, the non-beta release
[07:44] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: ,,cat /etc/issue'' (don't paste here) will give you a clearer picture
[07:44] <Glin|Jol> i followed the instructions listed here http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[07:44] <Glin|Jol> crimsun, let me try that
[07:46] <Glin|Jol> ok seems i am using warty warthog 4.10
[07:46] <meandyou> sysv-init edit how
[07:47] <crimsun> meandyou: come again?
[07:47] <Xenguy> bye
[07:47] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: when you boot into Warty, does the graphical greeter fail to load and drop you to a console login prompt?
[07:48] <logical> guten morgen
[07:48] <meandyou> crimsun, what do you mean
[07:48] <crimsun> meandyou: I don't understand what you stated. Are you asking for assistance or responding to someone?
[07:49] <FAST> http://g.myspace.com/00047/61/86/47796816_l.jpg
[07:49] <sobralense> why I cant remove postfix and stay with anacron?  =/
[07:49] <meandyou> crimsun, I wont to start NFS service boot time, I need sysv editor under ubuntu
[07:49] <sobralense> if I install anacron it says that needs exim
[07:50] <logical> hello, is here someone who speaks german???
[07:50] <Glin|Jol> crimsun, no, i see the nvidia logo displayed, then the screen just goes haywire after 30 seconds or so
[07:51] <Glin|Jol> everything freezes up and then my monitor looks all distorted
[07:51] <crimsun> sobralense: a MTA is normally necessary.
[07:51] <goldfish> I had X problems with nvidia.
[07:52] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: which nvidia card?
[07:52] <Glin|Jol> crimsun, 6600GT
[07:52] <goldfish> Glin|Jol: can u log on at all? even through a shell?
[07:52] <goldfish> ah meh
[07:52] <Glin|Jol> goldfish, not if i want to use the nvidia driver
[07:52] <Glin|Jol> i can log onto a gui just fine using vesa
[07:52] <Glin|Jol> but everything dies when i try to use nvidia
[07:53] <sobralense> crimsun, =( Not for me...
[07:53] <sobralense> crimsun, I'm trying to remove ... even if broke something.. =P
[07:53] <goldfish> oh right
[07:53] <crimsun> sobralense: well...a cron-like program needs to mail output somewhere...
[07:54] <goldfish> what folder does a usb hard drive get mounted to?
[07:54] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: can you still switch to a console afterward using ctrl+alt+f1 ?
[07:54] <Glin|Jol> i thought they were mounted under /mnt/removeable
[07:54] <Glin|Jol> but that just may be in mandrake
[07:55] <crimsun> /media for Hoary
[07:55] <pellywinkle87> crimsun: i have probs with x too, just installed warty 4.10 (my first debian dist) and gdm fails to load
[07:55] <goldfish> me too x shit itslef
[07:55] <Glin|Jol> crimsun, is ctrl+alt+f1 similar to ctrl+alt+backspace?
[07:55] <Glin|Jol> i am not familiar with the ctrl alt f1 command
[07:55] <goldfish> if u can log into a shell
[07:55] <goldfish> and run
[07:55] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: no, ctrl+alt+f* switch between consoles
[07:55] <goldfish> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[07:55] <Glin|Jol> o
[07:55] <goldfish> and set that up
[07:55] <goldfish> x shud get running
[07:56] <Glin|Jol> i usually just use ctrl+f*
[07:56] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: ctrl+alt+backspace kills the X server process
[07:56] <Glin|Jol> but no, i cant switch between consoles
[07:56] <Glin|Jol> everything is frozen
[07:56] <Glin|Jol> crimsun, yeah
[07:56] <pellywinkle87> what's -plow? (im a noob)
[07:56] <crimsun> pellywinkle87: nvidia/ati driver?
[07:56] <crimsun> pellywinkle87: it's a priority indication
[07:56] <goldfish> pellywinkle87: dunno,  im a newb too :)
[07:56] <pellywinkle87> nvidia 9250
[07:56] <goldfish> pellywinkle87: that got x working for me
[07:57] <pellywinkle87> installed nvidia-glx package
[07:57] <pellywinkle87> still doesn't work
[07:57] <crimsun> pellywinkle87: did you execute ,,sudo nvidia-glx-config enable''?
[07:57] <pellywinkle87> yep
[07:58] <crimsun> pellywinkle87: could you paste your /var/log/XFree86.0.log on http://pastebin.ca?
[07:59] <LinkMasterSab> Anyone know of a call alert prog?
[07:59] <pellywinkle87> will do
[07:59] <pellywinkle87> not now though
[07:59] <Glin|Jol> be right back
[07:59] <unperson> So, I'd really like to use some of the warty backports for a select few packages (e.g. firefox).
[07:59] <pellywinkle87> gtg, going out
[07:59] <pellywinkle87> ill fix it later
[07:59] <unperson> I'm trying to determine if there's a really nice way to grab just a few without grabbing the kitchen sink.
[08:00] <crimsun> unperson: it's highly recommended that you dist-upgrade to hoary directly if you wish to use the latest packages.
[08:00] <unperson> Looks like apt-pinning is one way.
[08:00] <Adrenal> anyone know what the bandwith consumption of a jabber server is like?
[08:00] <crimsun> unperson: using backports often gets one into a bind because the packages are versioned poorly, so dist-upgrades cause headaches
[08:00] <pussfeller> it would depend entirely upon how many people wehre using it and how often
[08:01] <Adrenal> ic
[08:01] <Adrenal> its all so simple
[08:02] <pussfeller> you could run an irc server for 20-30 people off cable pretty easily
[08:02] <pussfeller> probably more
[08:02] <FAST> is there a shoutcast server software for linux ?
[08:02] <crimsun> FAST: certainly, though I highly recommend icecast2 instead.
[08:03] <FAST> okie doke
[08:03] <unperson> crimsun, Yeah, but generally I don't care about using the latest versions.  I'd rather few downloads and more stability.  There are only one or two apps I want the most current versions of, like firefox.
[08:04] <crimsun> takes a bit of configuring, but once you do that once, it's pretty much go.
[08:04] <crimsun> unperson: all right, but do keep in mind the backports'-broken-versioning caveat if you plan to dist-upgrade to hoary.
[08:04] <unperson> Even for firefox I don't need bleeding edge, but I would like 1.0.
[08:04] <goldfish> lol
[08:04] <goldfish> me too
[08:05] <Adrenal> backports, just uninstall when u upgrade
[08:05] <crimsun> [to be fair, hoary has been quite stable despite its development moniker - unless you use amd64] 
[08:06] <unperson> But if I add the backports repository apt will try to upgrade all packages present in the backports unless I use pinning, correct?
[08:06] <Glin|Jol> can someone that uses an nvidia graphics carc send me a copy of their XF86-4 config file please?
[08:06] <Glin|Jol> *card
[08:06] <crimsun> unperson: essentially.
[08:07] <Adrenal> unperson: theorictically
[08:08] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: http://sh.nu/~crimsun/XF86Config-4
[08:08] <shushi2005> Where is the rc.local file?
[08:08] <crimsun> shushi2005: Ubuntu, like Debian, does not use rc.local
[08:08] <unperson> I guess there's also the issue of not getting security patches.
[08:09] <crimsun> shushi2005: what are you attempting to accomplish?
[08:09] <shushi2005> I need some drivers to be loaded at bootup, along with some commands.
[08:10] <crimsun> shushi2005: drivers->kernel modules?
[08:10] <shushi2005> They are to configure a usb wireless adapter.
[08:10] <shushi2005> crimsun, what do you mean?
[08:10] <crimsun> shushi2005: define "drivers"
[08:10] <crimsun> shushi2005: are they kernel modules?
[08:11] <Glin|Jol> crimsun, can you use the "nvidia" drivers with your setup or no? i noticed that you are using nv instead
[08:11] <shushi2005> crimsun, prism2_usb
[08:11] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: I used 'nv' with XFree86 on that machine.
[08:11] <crimsun> shushi2005: place it in /etc/modules if you need to manually specify it
[08:11] <shushi2005> crimsun, do you think they would load at startup?
[08:12] <crimsun> shushi2005: as for commands, I recommend reading the update-rc.d man page
[08:12] <shushi2005> crimsun, ok
[08:12] <jasonf> crimsun: what's that command to send a message to all terminals from root? tell?
[08:12] <crimsun> shushi2005: hotplug should handle that. Check the supported hardware (search the wiki).
[08:12] <shushi2005> k
[08:12] <crimsun> jasonf: wall(1)
[08:18] <Glin|Jol> urg
[08:19] <Glin|Jol> this nvidia thing is really annoying
[08:19] <syn-ack> you know how much I get that, Glin|Jol?
[08:20] <Glin|Jol> its probrably the most often voiced complaint heh
[08:20] <Glin|Jol> but any insight or tips on how to get the nvidia module working with ubuntu would be appreciated :>
[08:21] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: could you keep a ssh session open and copy /var/log/XFree86.0.log after a failed graphical startup attempt?
[08:21] <crimsun> or rather, open a ssh session after...
[08:22] <Glin|Jol> crimsun, i dont think so
[08:22] <Glin|Jol> everything freezes and i am not too sure if an ssh session would be able to start
[08:23] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: do you have a spare computer from which you could attempt to log in via ssh?
[08:24] <Glin|Jol> crimsun, nope :<
[08:24] <tuxJr_14> hi
[08:25] <Dreamer3> Glin|Jol: your nvidia doesn't work?
[08:25] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: ok, does it boot normally if it doesn't attempt to start X Windows?
[08:26] <Glin|Jol> Dreamer3, nope, when i try to load the nvidia module my x session freezes
[08:26] <Dreamer3> Glin|Jol: you mean the startup freezes?
[08:26] <Glin|Jol> crimsun, yes everything boots fine when i dont boot into x
[08:26] <Glin|Jol> Dreamer3, exactly
[08:26] <Glin|Jol> when i see the nvidia logo everything freezes
[08:27] <Dreamer3> Glin|Jol: can you startx?
[08:27] <Glin|Jol> err dunno
[08:27] <jdahlin> It seems that lyx is not installable on hoary: lyx-common: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu4 is to be installed
[08:27] <Glin|Jol> how would i get ubunto to not start the x session at bootup?
[08:27] <jdahlin> or am I just doing something completely stupid?
[08:27] <Dreamer3> jdahlin: yeah, it requires an older phython
[08:28] <crimsun> jdahlin: no, you're fine.
[08:28] <crimsun> jdahlin: it just needs debian/control:Build-Depends bumped, among other things.
[08:28] <Dreamer3> oh well
[08:28] <crimsun> I'll generate a diff and submit it to MOTU
[08:28] <Dreamer3> i know nothing
[08:29] <Glin|Jol> Dreamer3, how do i get ubunto to not boot into x?
[08:29] <Dreamer3> crimsun: is there anywhere to rsync the CDs from the net?
[08:29] <Dreamer3> Glin|Jol: i don't know
[08:29] <Glin|Jol> i cant seem to figure it out, i dont know how to start at run level 3
[08:29] <Glin|Jol> urg
[08:29] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: sudo mv /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/init.d/_gdm
[08:29] <Glin|Jol> isnce there is no runlevel 3
[08:29] <Dreamer3> crimsun: that would work :)
[08:29] <crimsun> jdahlin: thanks for bringing that up.
[08:29] <syn-ack> Yes there is.
[08:30] <Dreamer3> i think this ISO is going to be corrupt when i get it
[08:30] <Dreamer3> and i'd hate to start from scratch
[08:30] <syn-ack> Glin|Jol, you dont know inittab, do you?
[08:30] <Glin|Jol> syn-ack, cant say i do
[08:30] <jdahlin> crimsun: no problem. should I file a bug in bugzilla?
[08:30] <syn-ack> Glin|Jol, Lesson 1) man inittab
[08:31] <crimsun> jdahlin: that's probably the most effective way to bring attention to it; please note me the bug number so I can attach a diff.
[08:31] <syn-ack> crimsun, How goes?
[08:31] <gobeavs> whenever I try to play an mp3 in XMMS, it always freezes...any ideas? I have MAD installed...
[08:31] <jdahlin> crimsun: but lyx is only in universe right?
[08:32] <crimsun> jdahlin: right.
[08:32] <crimsun> syn-ack: not bad, yourself?
[08:32] <jdahlin> crimsun: I don't think it should be added to bugzilla then
[08:32] <gobeavs> in fact, whenever I try to play any file in XMMS
[08:32] <syn-ack> Crimsun: Enjoying the new bug fixes in Gnome. :)
[08:33] <syn-ack> not too bad.
[08:33] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: you a ubuntu user?
[08:33] <_slice_> gobeavs: maybe run in from a console and see if you get any useful information
[08:33] <_slice_> in = it
[08:33] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: do i know you from #linuxhelp or no?
[08:33] <syn-ack> Dreamer3, yes.
[08:33] <syn-ack> to both
[08:34] <Glin|Jol> syn-ack, would i just change this entry id:2:initdefault: to id:3:initdefault: ?
[08:34] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: you loving it?
[08:34] <syn-ack> Glin|Jol, yes.
[08:34] <Glin|Jol> or am i totally misunderstanding the man page
[08:34] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: did you come from Debian?
[08:34] <syn-ack> Dreamer3, and Redhat and Gentoo.
[08:35] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: i've been reading it should be faster than debian, but not sure
[08:35] <syn-ack> oh, and CorelLinux back in the day.
[08:35] <Glin|Jol> gonna try this
[08:35] <Glin|Jol> be right back
[08:35] <FAST> wooo  installed icecast.... time to figure out how to set the config file proper
[08:35] <syn-ack> Dreamer3, I have a P4 2.4 with 768 M RAM, everything is fast.
[08:36] <gobeavs> illl try it slice
[08:36] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: ah
[08:36] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: must be nice
[08:36] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: i got the ram, just not the processor
[08:36] <syn-ack> dreamer, Its a laptop too, and it is. ;)
[08:36] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: laptop? what?
[08:36] <Dreamer3> yuck
[08:36] <gobeavs> slice: nothing....its still technically running fine, it just doesn't play and doesn't respond
[08:37] <gobeavs> rhythm box won't play anything either, but at least it comes up with an error message
[08:37] <syn-ack> dreamer, I have a Compaq Presario 2535 QV
[08:37] <_slice_> gobeavs: what msg ?
[08:37] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: i dunno that that is :)
[08:37] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: bout like me sayging i have a T22 :)
[08:37] <syn-ack> gobeavs, I have the latest and it works fine for me...
[08:37] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: oh, but you already told me sorta
[08:37] <syn-ack> I know what that is
[08:37] <Dreamer3> so n/m
[08:38] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: then you are smart :)
[08:38] <syn-ack>  RX bytes:1307082494 (1.2 GiB) <--- all over WiFi, baybee
[08:39] <gobeavs> "could not open source for writing"
[08:39] <gobeavs> "could not pause playback"
[08:39] <gobeavs> thats in rhythm box
[08:40] <_slice_> do you have permissions for the relevant files/dirs maybe?
[08:40] <gobeavs> ya
[08:40] <crimsun> gobeavs: warty? hoary?
[08:40] <gobeavs> warty
[08:40] <gobeavs> KDE
[08:40] <syn-ack> warty? really?
[08:40] <syn-ack> Thats a bit odd.
[08:40] <crimsun> gobeavs: err...is artsd running? pgrep artsd
[08:40] <_slice_> artsd ?
[08:41] <gobeavs> in the console? pgrep artsd?
[08:41] <crimsun> gobeavs: yes, or in a Konsole
[08:41] <gobeavs> it says 4292
[08:41] <crimsun> pkill artsd
[08:41] <crimsun> pgrep esd
[08:42] <gobeavs> nothing for esd
[08:42] <crimsun> gobeavs: do you normally use kde?
[08:42] <gobeavs> uh....sort of...switched yesterday
[08:43] <gobeavs> don't know if it worked beforehand though
[08:43] <_slice_> gstreamer-properties select esd maybe or maybe try selecting alsa or arts
[08:43] <[^OsAmA^] > alguien habla espaol ?
[08:43] <heliolith> someone please refresh my memory which is the shell command to list processor info?
[08:43] <_slice_> see what happens
[08:43] <crimsun> gobeavs: if you normally use kde, then there are two steps: you want to select alsasink for output in gstreamer-properties
[08:43] <_slice_> maybe the KDE install pu arts in a config and there's a conflict
[08:43] <crimsun> gobeavs: and you want to shorten the idle timeout period for arts in kde's control panel
[08:44] <gobeavs> ok
[08:44] <_slice_> artsd still has that idle problem ?
[08:44] <_slice_> wow
[08:44] <gobeavs> in gstreamer-properties
[08:44] <gobeavs> when I switch output to alsasink
[08:44] <gobeavs> ALSA
[08:44] <gobeavs> and test
[08:44] <gobeavs> there is an error
[08:44] <lj> i need help
[08:45] <[^OsAmA^] > nadie habla espaol ?
[08:45] <burnboy> anyone ever used Ubuntu as a router?
[08:45] <crimsun> [^OsAmA^] : #ubuntu-es?
[08:45] <[^OsAmA^] > ok
[08:45] <lj> i cant install yahoo messanger
[08:45] <gobeavs> I think maybe I should reboot....could it be that too many things are trying to access the sound at one time?
[08:45] <crimsun> lj: are you set on using yahoo's linux client, or have you considered (or are aware of) gaim's yahoo plugin?
[08:46] <goldfish> yahoo is for teh gheys
[08:46] <lj> yes
[08:46] <crimsun> goldfish: choice is golden.
[08:46] <gobeavs> im rebooting, thanks for trying
[08:46] <goldfish> crimsun: heh
[08:46] <goldfish> Sorry :)
[08:46] <crimsun> goldfish: no need, hang on
[08:46] <crimsun> err
[08:46] <crimsun> gobeavs: no need, hang on
[08:46] <gobeavs> oh
[08:46] <gobeavs> ok
[08:46] <crimsun> what error do you get?
[08:46] <gobeavs> just a sec
[08:46] <gobeavs> lemme produce again
[08:47] <gobeavs> when I select Test: "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'"
[08:47] <lj> it say's i need a package installed but i cant find the package\
[08:47] <gobeavs> and in the console it says /dev/dsp: device or resource is busy
[08:47] <crimsun> gobeavs: pgrep artsd
[08:47] <gobeavs> can't connect to aRts soundserver
[08:48] <crimsun> gobeavs: pgrep esd
[08:48] <gobeavs> wait, cancel that last one
[08:48] <gobeavs> ok
[08:48] <gobeavs> nothing for esd
[08:48] <syn-ack> Is esd running, by chance?
[08:48] <syn-ack> nm
[08:48] <syn-ack> I was late on the draw
[08:48] <gobeavs> if it plays in Kaboodle, it is fine
[08:48] <lj> the file name is libssl0.9.6
[08:49] <gobeavs> but not in XMMS or rhthymbox
[08:49] <gobeavs> and I want something a little better than kaboodle....:D
[08:49] <syn-ack> Are the plugins in the applications set correctly?
[08:49] <gobeavs> I used apt
[08:49] <gobeavs> so they should be configured right
[08:49] <gobeavs> I have the MAD plugin for XMMS
[08:49] <lj> i only got the file called libssl0.9.7
[08:49] <syn-ack> gobeavs, No, that doesnt mean a thing
[08:50] <gobeavs> syn-ack: ok
[08:50] <lj> please help
[08:50] <syn-ack> gobeavs, Do you have the OUTPUT plugins in the apps setup correctly?
[08:50] <gobeavs> I don't know
[08:50] <gobeavs> lemme check XMMS
[08:50] <syn-ack> Then check
[08:50] <lj> can anyone help
[08:50] <crimsun> lj: sudo aptitude install libssl0.9.6
[08:51] <lj> whats that
[08:51] <crimsun> lj: it's a command you execute.
[08:51] <lj> ok ill try
[08:51] <gobeavs> well, now at least I get a "failed to open audio output: ALSA 1.2.10 output plugin" error
[08:51] <gobeavs> and in gstreamer-properties it is set for output as ALSA
[08:51] <crimsun> lj: you need the 'universe' repository enabled.
[08:52] <crimsun> gobeavs: for xmms?
[08:52] <gobeavs> ya
[08:52] <gobeavs> should I put input as ALSA also?
[08:52] <gobeavs> or does it matter>?
[08:52] <gobeavs> in gstreamer-properties
[08:52] <crimsun> gobeavs: ok, let's start from square one. ,,cat /proc/asound/modules''
[08:52] <syn-ack> Crimsun: Thats what Im thinking....
[08:53] <gobeavs> 0 snd_intel8x0
[08:53] <lj> got ererors
[08:53] <syn-ack> hrm
[08:53] <crimsun> gobeavs: ok, now ,,lsmod|grep ^snd_pcm_oss''
[08:53] <gobeavs> I get a prompt
[08:53] <gobeavs> ">"
[08:53] <lj> how do i do that
[08:53] <crimsun> lj: (don't paste here, summarise) apt-cache policy libssl0.9.6
[08:54] <crimsun> gobeavs: (leave out ,, and '')
[08:54] <lj> i didnt
[08:54] <gobeavs> ok
[08:54] <gobeavs> nothing then
[08:54] <crimsun> gobeavs: excellent. ,,sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss''
[08:54] <gobeavs> wait
[08:54] <gobeavs> sorry
[08:54] <gobeavs> snd_pcm_oss 48168 0
[08:54] <Anubis> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[08:54] <Anubis> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[08:54] <gobeavs> had it typed wrong
[08:54] <crimsun> Anubis: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[08:55] <Anubis> all of my compiles end with this
[08:55] <lj> it says unable to locate pacage
[08:55] <syn-ack> crim: funny that it didnt install by default.
[08:55] <crimsun> lj: do you have universe enabled?
[08:55] <lj> how do i do that
[08:56] <syn-ack> lj, Dude, I think you need to check out the website
[08:56] <syn-ack> like do a LOT a reading.
[08:56] <lj> ive never uesed code befor this i just got on the internet
[08:57] <syn-ack> lj, especially the wiki
[08:57] <crimsun> lj: Computer>System Configuration>Synaptic Package Manager
[08:57] <crimsun> lj: Settings>Repositories
[08:58] <crimsun> lj: place a check mark in the line that reads ... warty ... main restricted universe
[08:58] <lj> do i type it in
[08:58] <crimsun> lj: (the line that begins with deb ... main restricted universe)
[08:58] <crimsun> (not deb-src)
[08:58] <syn-ack> lj, www.ubuntulinux.org would be a good start.
[08:59] <crimsun> lj: then click OK, and Reload
[08:59] <lj> im at the site now what do i do
[08:59] <syn-ack> lj, I will find the howto. its very nice.
[08:59] <lj> \ok
[08:59] <crimsun> lj: then you may search for 'libssl0.9.6'
[09:00] <pepperpot> I just upgraded from sid to hoary and am installing ubuntu linux-image-2.6.10-2-k7. I'm getting a message about initrd and lilo. How do I get my system to adopt the ubuntu behaviour of using grub and auto-detecting other OSes?
[09:00] <Anubis> No package 'libgift' found
[09:00] <Anubis> ./configure --prefix /usr/lib
[09:00] <Anubis> does not work
[09:00] <Anubis> is my syntax wrong?
[09:00] <crimsun> pepperpot: there's a message that pops up when you attempt to install/upgrade linux-image-*; it tells you what line to insert into what file.
[09:00] <lj> it says command not found
[09:01] <crimsun> Anubis: warty or hoary?
[09:01] <Anubis> warty
[09:01] <gobeavs> lj: what did you type in?
[09:01] <lj> deb main restricted universe
[09:01] <syn-ack> lj http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto/view?searchterm=Synaptic
[09:01] <gobeavs> ah, thx syn-ack :D
[09:01] <crimsun> Anubis: is the universe repo enabled? You need the 'libgift-dev' package.
[09:01] <gobeavs> that will help
[09:02] <gobeavs> they should just enable them by default...
[09:02] <pepperpot> crimsun: it says to insert a line into lilo.conf, but doesn't ubuntu use grub?
[09:02] <Anubis> universe is enabled
[09:02] <crimsun> lj: you don't need to type anything in, just check the line I told you
[09:02] <Anubis> and multiverse
[09:02] <syn-ack> Though, very rarely do I use Synaptic myself.
[09:02] <lj> what line is that
[09:02] <pepperpot> crimsun: it also says to instert a line in /etc/kernel-img.conf
[09:02] <gobeavs> I like it...although sometimes I just use apt-get for some old-schooling
[09:03] <crimsun> lj: it's the 3rd line that begins "deb ..."
[09:03] <gobeavs> lj: in settings>repositories
[09:03] <gobeavs> in synaptic
[09:03] <crimsun> lj: if you scroll over to the right using the bottom scrollbar, you'll see it has "...universe" at the end
[09:03] <lj> i dont understand
[09:03] <syn-ack> I dont use it often, if at all.
[09:04] <crimsun> pepperpot: indeed, Ubuntu uses GRUB. Are you actually using GRUB, though?
[09:04] <crimsun> lj: there are check boxes on the left hand side
[09:04] <FAST> anyone wanna help me with this?      ryan@zeus:~ $ icecast -c /usr/local/etc/icecast.xml  ......  FATAL: could not open error logging (/var/log/icecast/error.log): Permission den ied
[09:04] <crimsun> lj: do you see them?
[09:04] <pepperpot> crimsun: I don't know. I've never hand-configured a grub file. Doesn't ubuntu generate grub automatically?
[09:04] <Anubis> crimsun, SWEET!
[09:05] <pepperpot> pepperpot: the installation cd detects other OSes and adds them to the grub
[09:05] <crimsun> FAST: err, why /usr/local/etc/icecast.xml? Did you compile icecast2 locally? Why not use the Ubuntu package?
[09:05] <FAST> dammit..... there's a package?       yeah i compiled it ... :\
[09:05] <crimsun> FAST: yes, in warty/universe.
[09:05] <FAST> guh.  ill do that, thanks
[09:06] <crimsun> FAST: apt-cache search foo and apt-cache policy foo are indispensable tools
[09:06] <lj> i reloaded synaptic and it downloaded some stuff but not the file im looking for
[09:06] <crimsun> lj: did you place a check mark in the box I told you?
[09:06] <crimsun> lj: and then click OK?
[09:07] <lj> what box again
[09:07] <crimsun> lj: Settings>Repositories
[09:07] <lj> ok
[09:07] <crimsun> lj: third deb line
[09:08] <crimsun> lj: finished?
[09:08] <lj> its not there
[09:08] <crimsun> what isn't there?
[09:08] <Anubis> configure: error: Can't find Python.h! You will need the python development package
[09:08] <Anubis>               to successfully compile gDesklets.
[09:09] <lj> ony all is ther
[09:09] <crimsun> Anubis: why not use gdesklets from universe?
[09:09] <crimsun> Anubis: (python-dev)
[09:09] <pepperpot> what package is it that automatically configures grub?
[09:10] <lj> i dont have that program
[09:10] <Anubis> crimsun, it runs crappy here
[09:10] <crimsun> lj: "ony all is ther?"
[09:10] <Anubis> it uses the old displays
[09:10] <lj> yes
[09:10] <crimsun> lj: I have no idea what you typed.
[09:11] <Anubis> and the weather displays don't work for me
[09:11] <crimsun> Anubis: then install 'python-dev' and go at it.
[09:11] <lj> and i checked anf the package is not there either
[09:11] <crimsun> lj: did you search for "libssl0.9.6" ?
[09:12] <lj> does not exist
[09:12] <crimsun> lj: you must be doing something odd...
[09:12] <lj> i just updated it too
[09:13] <crimsun> lj: close Synaptic, open a Terminal, and type: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:13] <lj> ok
[09:13] <lj> do you mean root terminal
[09:13] <crimsun> either one will do
[09:14] <lj> ok now what
[09:15] <lj> ok now what
[09:15] <crimsun> scroll down to the line that reads: # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[09:15] <crimsun> erase the '#'
[09:15] <lj> ok
[09:15] <crimsun> press ctrl+x
[09:15] <crimsun> save the file
[09:16] <lj> as what
[09:16] <crimsun> as the filename it defaults to
[09:16] <NanoTek> KiKoo!!
[09:16] <crimsun> (press enter)
[09:16] <NanoTek> /sys
[09:16] <lj> it said cancelled
[09:17] <crimsun> lj: you have to save it
[09:17] <FAST> dammit.
[09:17] <crimsun> lj: press ctrl+o after you've made the change
[09:17] <crimsun> (then enter)
[09:18] <lj> what do you want me to call the file thats what it asked for
[09:18] <AndyFitz> crumsun,  nope  xorg-driver-fglrx still doesnt work..   all good I'm on xfree86-driver-fglrx again :P
[09:18] <FAST> ryan@zeus:~ $ icecast -c /etc/icecast2/icecast.xml ... I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/etc/icecast2/icecast.xml" ... FATAL: error parsing config file (/etc/icecast2/icecast.xml) ... XML config parsing error
[09:18] <Anubis> configure: error: Library requirements (glib-2.0 gdk-pixbuf-2.0 gtk+-2.0 pygtk-2.0 >= 2.4.0)
[09:18] <crimsun> lj: it comes up with a filename by default
[09:18] <Anubis>  pygtk-2.0
[09:18] <Anubis> ??
[09:18] <Anubis> not in the sorces?
[09:18] <lj> well it didnt this time
[09:18] <crimsun> Anubis: sudo apt-get build-dep gdesklets
[09:19] <crimsun> lj: the name of the file is the one you typed in
[09:19] <Anubis> whats that do?
[09:19] <crimsun> Anubis: it installs all the packages needed to build gdesklets.
[09:19] <lj> ok it worked now what
[09:20] <crimsun> lj: sudo aptitude update
[09:20] <lj> type that in
[09:20] <crimsun> (yes)
[09:21] <lj> ok
[09:21] <rose> hello everyone - a question about booting the warty CD to have a look
[09:21] <lj> now what
[09:21] <crimsun> now: sudo aptitude install libssl0.9.6
[09:22] <lj> it worked now what
[09:22] <Anubis> configure: error: Library requirements (pygtk-2.0 >= 2.4.0 gtk+-2.0 librsvg-2.0) not met;
[09:23] <Anubis>  pygtk-2.0
[09:23] <Anubis> its not availible
[09:23] <lj> is that all i have to do
[09:23] <crimsun> lj: yes.
[09:23] <lj> thank you byby
[09:24] <crimsun> Anubis: you need python2.4 packages.
[09:24] <rose> can anyone please tell me how to boot the warty CD - do I just restart withe CD insitu?
[09:24] <gobeavs> no more suggestions for poor gobeavs and his poor music?
[09:24] <crimsun> rose: yes.
[09:24] <gobeavs> rose: yes
[09:25] <rose> okay thanks crimsun and gobeavs
[09:25] <crimsun> np
[09:25] <gobeavs> np
[09:25] <gobeavs> well, in XMMS now it says I need an ALSA output plugin
[09:25] <lj> i still have a problem
[09:26] <crimsun> gobeavs: so in Preferences, tell it to use the ALSA output plugin
[09:26] <gobeavs> I did
[09:26] <crimsun> lj: ...which is?
[09:26] <lj> this
[09:26] <lj> electing previously deselected package ymessenger.
[09:26] <lj> (Reading database ... 61455 files and directories currently installed.)
[09:26] <lj> Unpacking ymessenger (from ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb) ...
[09:26] <lj> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ymessenger:
[09:26] <lj>  ymessenger depends on libssl0.9.6; however:
[09:26] <lj>   Package libssl0.9.6 is not installed.
[09:26] <lj> dpkg: error processing ymessenger (--install):
[09:27] <lj>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[09:27] <lj> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:27] <lj>  ymessenger
[09:27] <gobeavs> w00t
[09:27] <gobeavs> I think
[09:27] <lj> root@70-97-144-179:/home/lj #
[09:27] <crimsun> lj: didn't you say you installed libssl0.9.6?
[09:27] <gobeavs> ok...now it thinks its playing
[09:27] <lj> thats what it said ill show you
[09:27] <gobeavs> but it really isnt
[09:27] <gobeavs> no sound, but it says its playing
[09:27] <gobeavs> thats a start :D
[09:28] <syn-ack> gobeavs, stop the player.
[09:28] <lj> root@70-97-144-179:/home/lj # sudo aptitude install libssl0.9.6
[09:28] <lj> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:28] <lj> Building Dependency Tree
[09:28] <lj> Reading extended state information
[09:28] <lj> Initializing package states... Done
[09:28] <lj> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:28] <lj> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:28] <lj> root@70-97-144-179:/home/lj # apt-cache policy libssl0.9.6
[09:28] <lj> W: Unable to locate package libssl0.9.6
[09:28] <crimsun> gobeavs: make sure all the mixer sliders are unmuted and are at a fairly normal level
[09:28] <lj> root@70-97-144-179:/home/lj # settings>repositories
[09:28] <lj> bash: settings: command not found
[09:28] <gobeavs> ok
[09:28] <lj> root@70-97-144-179:/home/lj # deb main restricted universe
[09:28] <lj> bash: deb: command not found
[09:28] <lj> root@70-97-144-179:/home/lj # sudo nano
[09:28] <lj> root@70-97-144-179:/home/lj # sudo aptitued update
[09:28] <lj> sudo: aptitued: command not found
[09:28] <crimsun> lj: please kill the paste.
[09:28] <lj> root@70-97-144-179:/home/lj # sudo aptitude update
[09:28] <lj> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:28] <_slice_> thank you
[09:28] <syn-ack> gobeavs, try this and tell me if you hear the voice of god: " cat /dev/urandom/ > /dev/dsp
[09:28] <Anubis> not much fun staying in Warty
[09:28] <lj> Building Dependency Tree
[09:28] <lj> Reading extended state information
[09:28] <lj> Initializing package states... Done
[09:28] <lj> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Packages
[09:28] <lj> Get:1 http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Release [102B] 
[09:28] <lj> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages
[09:28] <_slice_> lj
[09:28] <lj> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Release
[09:28] <lj> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Packages
[09:28] <_slice_> stop it !
[09:28] <lj> Get:2 http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Release [108B] 
[09:29] <syn-ack> he cant
[09:29] <lj> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Sources
[09:29] <lj> Get:3 http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Release [104B] 
[09:29] <lj> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Sources
[09:29] <lj> Get:4 http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Release [110B] 
[09:29] <lj> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Packages
[09:29] <syn-ack> he doesnt notice it, he will have to /part
[09:29] <lj> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Release
[09:29] <crimsun> (just let him finish flooding. I'm going to get a drink in the meantime)
[09:29] <lj> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources
[09:29] <lj> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Release
[09:29] <lj> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Sources
[09:29] <_slice_> heh
[09:29] <lj> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Release
[09:29] <lj> Fetched 424B in 0s (570B/s)
[09:29] <lj> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:29] <lj> Building Dependency Tree
[09:29] <lj> Reading extended state information
[09:29] <lj> Initializing package states... Do
[09:29] <lj> ok
[09:29] <Anubis> omg
[09:29] <lj> ya
[09:29] <vIkSiT> wow
[09:29] <syn-ack> gobeavs, did you get my last?
[09:30] <_slice_> lj: you get with trouts for doing that :)
[09:30] <vIkSiT> you can install ubuntu thru a CHAT-bot?!
[09:30] <_slice_> hit
[09:30] <vIkSiT> :)
[09:30] <lj> ok
[09:30] <lj> how
[09:30] <_slice_> lj: because people lose their conversation
[09:30] <lj> sorry
[09:30] <_slice_> as it scrolls away up the screen
[09:30] <syn-ack> gobeavs: again, did you get my last?
[09:31] <lj> ive never done this before
[09:31] <gobeavs> syn-ack: no
[09:31] <gobeavs> sorry
[09:31] <lj> cant someone hack in my computer and fix it
[09:31] <vIkSiT> A deb newbie question - can i update a base ubuntu install through another debian-based distros package files?
[09:31] <syn-ack> lj, word of the wise, dont EVER paste moer than 3 lines at a time.
[09:31] <_slice_> lj: lol
[09:31] <gobeavs> now I only have mono for KDE also...
[09:31] <syn-ack> gobeavs, try this and tell me if you hear the voice of god: " cat /dev/urandom/ > /dev/dsp
[09:31] <vIkSiT> lj, whats the trouble really?
[09:31] <syn-ack> with out the '
[09:32] <lj> i cant install yahoo messenger
[09:32] <crimsun> vIkSiT: highly unrecommended if you mean to add external repos to ubuntu's base install
[09:32] <vIkSiT> lol
[09:32] <_slice_> lol syn-ack
[09:32] <crimsun> lj: the problem is that you never added the universe repo.
[09:32] <_slice_> gobeavs: turn the vol down a bit first
[09:32] <_slice_> hehe
[09:32] <syn-ack> lj, Dont install That crap Yahoo! messanger.
[09:32] <gobeavs> syn-ack: no
[09:32] <syn-ack> gobeavs, you get any error?
[09:32] <vIkSiT> crimsun, "external repos"?
[09:32] <_slice_> doesn't gaim do yahoo's protocol ?
[09:33] <Anubis> how long has warty been out?
[09:33] <lj> it says im missing this package and its not on my computer
[09:33] <syn-ack> it does.
[09:33] <vIkSiT> _slice_, sure it does
[09:33] <crimsun> lj: here, type this _exactly_: echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:33] <_slice_> kewlio
[09:33] <lj> yahoo's for my mom
[09:34] <gobeavs> syn-ack: no
[09:34] <crimsun> vIkSiT: what do you mean by "update a base ubuntu install through another debian-based distros package files?"
[09:34] <gobeavs> just keeps running
[09:34] <syn-ack> gobeavs, try this  sudo lsmod | grep snd
[09:34] <gobeavs> no audio
[09:34] <crimsun> Anubis: since mid-October 2004
[09:34] <heliolith> what's the command for processor INfo in the Terminal??
[09:34] <crimsun> heliolith: more /proc/cpuinfo
[09:34] <gobeavs> syn-ack: what about it?
[09:34] <gobeavs> rather long and complicated
[09:34] <syn-ack> gobeavs, are the modules there?
[09:34] <gobeavs> it lists some
[09:34] <gobeavs> ya
[09:35] <heliolith> more /proc/cpuinfo
[09:35] <vIkSiT> crimsun, well, I want to get into deb. I'm sure the ubuntu CD doesn't have all the tools which I keep experimenting with. I also have a debian distribution on a dvd with some 6k packages..
[09:35] <_slice_> Anubis: the 4.10 refers to Oct 04... 5.04 to...
[09:35] <heliolith> thanks crimsun
[09:35] <syn-ack>  /msg them to me, gobeavs
[09:35] <vIkSiT> Wondering if i could use the dvd to install stuff onto an existin ubuntu distro?
[09:35] <crimsun> vIkSiT: please don't add external repos. Those packages are built against packages available in the Debian repos, not in Ubuntu's repos.
[09:35] <lj> how do i get the strait line
[09:35] <crimsun> lj: the what?
[09:35] <vIkSiT> Ah, ok.
[09:36] <crimsun> lj: I just told you the _exact_ command to highlight and paste ino the Terminal...
[09:36] <crimsun> into^
[09:36] <lj> ok
[09:36] <syn-ack> gobeavs, now do this dpkg -l | grep alsa
[09:36] <vIkSiT> crimsun, in effect, I should use packages built specifically for Ubuntu..
[09:36] <vIkSiT> only..
[09:36] <syn-ack> gobeavs, and paste those to me too
[09:37] <crimsun> vIkSiT: yes, that's the cleanest solution if you're new to Ubuntu (and/or Debian) and wish to avoid headaches.
[09:37] <lj> it wont let me copy drag or past it
[09:37] <vIkSiT> Hmm. My only problem is that I don't have a  fast enough, or constant net connection
[09:37] <lj> ill be back
[09:38] <crimsun> lj: highlight/select with the left mouse button (or your primary one)
[09:38] <crimsun> lj: paste with the middle (or both left and right if you have a 2-button mouse)
[09:38] <vIkSiT> crimsun, so what *major disadvantage comes out of mixing and matching the 2 repos?
[09:38] <gobeavs> sent through /msg
[09:38] <crimsun> vIkSiT: upgrade headaches, dependency hellishness, etc.
[09:39] <vIkSiT> anything which can be fixed manually? Am new to deb/ubuntu, but not to Linux in general
[09:39] <vIkSiT> crimsun, Hmm..
[09:39] <crimsun> vIkSiT: feel free to try it if you feel the need to burn yourself.
[09:39] <vIkSiT> lol
[09:39] <_slice_> better to go with the source
[09:40] <crimsun> (it _can_ be done, but Ubuntu does not support it, and you should be quite experienced to handle the issues)
[09:40] <vIkSiT> yeah, its just that a dvd with 6k of packages.. REALLY tempting :)
[09:40] <vIkSiT> dependency problems shouldn't really be an issue really. I once installed kde 3.2 by hand, resolving deps!
[09:40] <vIkSiT> <scratch one of the 2 really's>
[09:41] <crimsun> most things can be fixed manually; the real issue is whether you ask in #ubuntu for help resolving those issues.
[09:41] <crimsun> be aware that if you mix repos, you are running an unsupported config, and people may not be able to assist you.
[09:41] <vIkSiT> Ah, hadn't thought of it that way
[09:43] <lj> im back
[09:43] <lj> had to roll a cigeret for mom
[09:44] <crimsun> lj: please scroll up for instructions.
[09:44] <vIkSiT> crimsun, Apart from the automated installation of Ubuntu, as compared to the 3 stage process which deb offers.. any significant advantages I'd gain by not going for deb directly?
[09:45] <lj> it only copys url
[09:45] <crimsun> vIkSiT: a well-integrated, GNOME-based, desktop-oriented Linux distribution.
[09:46] <crimsun> vIkSiT: 18 months of support for each stable release
[09:46] <vIkSiT> well, I use fluxbox primarily. Will have to hack around anyway :)
[09:46] <SirFred> Good morning.
[09:46] <vIkSiT> Ah.
[09:46] <vIkSiT> Hullo SirFred
[09:46] <crimsun> vIkSiT: a meaningful community
[09:46] <SirFred> My hoary has lost the cool X icons
[09:46] <SirFred> Now, my mouse pointer is black, the busy icon is the old clock,...
[09:47] <lj> it gives me a list of menu's and non say copy
[09:47] <lj> i just wish somone can hack
[09:47] <SirFred> Perhaps they have been moved to another package not installed on my box?
[09:47] <vIkSiT> lj, you should hack yourself..
[09:47] <vIkSiT> best way
[09:47] <crimsun> lj: select with the left button, paste with the right button
[09:47] <crimsun> (assuming you're right-handed)
[09:48] <crimsun> lj: err, paste with the middle
[09:48] <lj> i dont now how to hack
[09:48] <vIkSiT> or shift+ins even
[09:48] <goldfish> lj, run apache, a version with known exploits and someone will be able to root you
[09:48] <SirFred> Another question.
[09:49] <SirFred> When I try to install ubuntu-desktop, I see some english packages.
[09:49] <vIkSiT> hehe, or better still.. run sshd and give him a key-pass combo
[09:49] <lj> were do i find that program
[09:49] <SirFred> I mean, things like: openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-gb, myspell-en-gb,...
[09:49] <_slice_> lol
[09:49] <SirFred> But I want an Spanish localized computer.
[09:49] <lj> were is apachi
[09:49] <SirFred> Is there any way to change this behaviour?
[09:50] <vIkSiT> lj, er.. that was just a joke. forget it
[09:50] <lj> ok
[09:50] <lj> i would of ran it to
[09:50] <crimsun> SirFred: just install openoffice.org-l10n-es
[09:50] <crimsun> SirFred: and additional, relevant -es packages
[09:51] <goldfish> lol
[09:51] <goldfish> sorry lj i was messing
[09:51] <SirFred> Or perhaps language-support-es
[09:51] <SirFred> It seems an interesting metapackage. Lets see what is there inside
[09:51] <crimsun> SirFred: certainly.
[09:51] <vIkSiT> oh espanol.. es?
[09:51] <crimsun> sleep, work in a couple hours.
[09:51] <ideafix> this is a trools distro isnt it ?
[09:51] <SirFred> vIkSiT: Yes.
[09:52] <vIkSiT> right..
[09:52] <lj> i will give you my ip numer if someone would just hack my computer
[09:52] <lj> so i can fix the stuff
[09:52] <vIkSiT> lj, what DO you want done?
[09:52] <ideafix> how do you hide your ip ?
[09:53] <vIkSiT> afaik, you want to get gaim running?
[09:53] <SirFred> It seems that language-support-es ubuntu-desktop and language-pack-es will meet my needs.
[09:53] <lj> my computer wont install yahoo messanger for my mom
[09:53] <goldfish> ideafix: use a bouncer
[09:53] <vIkSiT> lj, google: gaim yahoo howto
[09:53] <ideafix> whats that ?
[09:53] <goldfish> emm..
[09:54] <goldfish> proxy bouncer or something
[09:54] <lj> it says im missing a package and i cant find this package
[09:54] <ideafix> are you using one ?
[09:54] <goldfish> nope
[09:54] <goldfish> I am logged on from a college server.
[09:54] <goldfish> I know ppl that use one.
[09:54] <goldfish> google for proxy bouncer
[09:55] <goldfish> maybe, i dont really know much about them
[09:55] <ironwolf> how do I change the name/volume name of /dev/sda1 in ubuntu?
[09:55] <goldfish> lj: We can see your ip already.
[09:56] <lj> can you help me fix this problem
[09:56] <ideafix> goldfish: you are leet
[09:56] <goldfish> ideafix: i am not leet
[09:56] <goldfish> not at all :)
[09:56] <ideafix> yes you are
[09:56] <lj> or can you hack
[09:56] <goldfish> lj: no
[09:57] <goldfish> i cant hack
[09:57] <lj> mr goldfish
[09:57] <ideafix> your ip isnt showning
[09:57] <goldfish> his ip is in his login ident
[09:57] <goldfish> nothing leet about that
[09:57] <lj> do you know any one that can hack
[09:57] <goldfish> yes
[09:57] <ideafix> your leeter than me
[09:57] <lj> is he on
[09:57] <goldfish> no
[09:57] <goldfish> it's one thing to hack
[09:57] <lj> dam*
[09:57] <goldfish> he would have to root your machine
[09:58] <goldfish> which is a different story
[09:58] <lj> ok
[09:58] <lj> teach me obi wan
[09:58] <goldfish> lj: k do me a favour
[09:58] <ideafix> my mouse isnt working
[09:58] <goldfish> buy a book :)
[09:58] <lj> ya whats up
[09:58] <goldfish> lj: open a terminal and type
[09:58] <gobeavs> YAY! I figured out my sound issue...thanks to everyone that helped
[09:59] <goldfish> lj: sudo apt-get install xmms
[09:59] <lj> ok
[09:59] <ideafix> this is a distro for trools
[09:59] <lj> it said could not get lock
[09:59] <ideafix> goldfish: what distro are you using ?
[09:59] <goldfish> ubuntu
[09:59] <SirFred> xmms? Have you tried beep-media-player?
[10:00] <SirFred> It's the xmms evolution with gtk2 widgets.
[10:00] <lj> thats what im using
[10:00] <SirFred> lj: You need to make it as root.
[10:00] <goldfish> SirFred: I was just testing was his apt-get set up correctly.
[10:00] <lj> how
[10:00] <SirFred> goldfish: Oh, I understand.
[10:00] <goldfish> lj: did it ask u for your root password?
[10:00] <SirFred> lj: With sudo.
[10:00] <goldfish> when u typed that command?
[10:00] <lj> no
[10:00] <goldfish> ok
[10:00] <goldfish> type sudo su -
[10:00] <SirFred> lj: Do you have your package manager running?
[10:01] <goldfish> ideafix: my ip is not showing coz im behind a server
[10:01] <lj> no
[10:01] <lj> sorry yes
[10:01] <SirFred> lj: So, that's the reason
[10:01] <lj> close out
[10:01] <SirFred> It locks the package database.
[10:01] <lj> ok
[10:02] <lj> i closed out
[10:02] <goldfish> lj: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[10:02] <goldfish> lj: read that
[10:02] <goldfish> have u done that already?
[10:02] <lj> no
[10:02] <goldfish> right, do that.
[10:02] <goldfish> Your apt-get is not set up.
[10:03] <goldfish> and then that apt-get command should work for you.
[10:04] <ideafix> goldfish: how do you bounce ?
[10:04] <goldfish> well, i am ssh'd to a server in college
[10:04] <goldfish> I am not connecting to irc direct from my computer.
[10:05] <ideafix> why not ?
[10:05] <ideafix> you got something to hide ?
[10:05] <goldfish> well, like i have a shell account with a society in college
[10:05] <goldfish> so i use that
[10:05] <goldfish> for stuff
[10:05] <lj> im sorry but it keeps telling me bad command
[10:05] <FAST> so is there a place to get themes for metacity?
[10:06] <lj> or cammand not found
[10:06] <goldfish> ideafix: nothing to hide no.
[10:06] <ideafix> so why are you hiding ?
[10:06] <ideafix> ...
[10:07] <rubenv> FAST: art.gnome.org
[10:07] <goldfish> I'm not :)
[10:07] <goldfish> lj: What command did u enter?
[10:07] <goldfish> ideafix: do u have shell accounts anywhere?
[10:07] <ideafix> yes you just said your connected thru you school network
[10:07] <goldfish> yeah
[10:07] <goldfish> It's handier that way.
[10:08] <goldfish> I use my shell account from there.
[10:08] <ideafix> so you are hiding behind it
[10:08] <goldfish> not really
[10:08] <lj>  PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
[10:08] <lj> /usr/bin/apt-get update
[10:08] <lj> /usr/bin/apt-get -y upgrade
[10:08] <ideafix> why arent you directly connected ?
[10:08] <goldfish> ideafix: I can give you my ip if you want :)
[10:08] <lj> ok
[10:09] <goldfish> Because I am only new to linux.
[10:09] <goldfish> I'm used to ssh'ing to that server
[10:09] <goldfish> and using it
[10:09] <lj> but what do i do with it
[10:09] <ideafix> sounds like hiding to me
[10:09] <lj> i mean the ip
[10:09] <goldfish> lj: are u following the directions from the link?
[10:09] <goldfish> emm.. nothing, i was talking to ideafix.
[10:09] <gsuveg> re
[10:09] <lj> yes
[10:09] <goldfish> right
[10:09] <syn-ack> crimsun, gave up, eh? ;)
[10:10] <kengur> hi
[10:10] <syn-ack> seb128, How goes it?
[10:10] <goldfish> lj: Did you type 'sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup' ?
[10:11] <FAST> rubenv, is there a place i shoudl store the .gz's  for gnome themes?
[10:11] <seb128> syn-ack: fine, thanks
[10:11] <ideafix> it seems i have to go to colege to get my ip hided
[10:11] <kengur> i got python program error which says " unknown locale: en_RU:en_GB:en_US:en" should i add en_RU to /usr/share/locale/locale.aliases?
[10:11] <lj> yes but it says tri cp helo
[10:11] <goldfish> ideafix: not hiding, i have nothing to hide, I'm not running many services anyway so even if i was connected directly it be hard to hack me
[10:11] <lj> help
[10:11] <goldfish> well
[10:11] <syn-ack> seb128, Again, Thanks for fixing the Rythmbox bug I submitted last week.
[10:12] <goldfish> ideafix: i also can't get any viruses onto my computer from irc
[10:12] <ideafix> every one gots stuff to hide
[10:12] <goldfish> ideafix: which i cud if i was directly connected
[10:12] <seb128> syn-ack: you're welcome :)
[10:12] <syn-ack> Rhythmbox, that is.
[10:12] <CastleSoft> ne1 installed mono from svn on the latest dev release of Ubuntu ?? About to try and would like to know if its easy or full of problems.. THANKS
[10:12] <ideafix> you can get virus from irc ?
[10:12] <goldfish> ideafix: yes
[10:12] <goldfish> ideafix: :)
[10:12] <ideafix> how come ?
[10:12] <goldfish> ideafix: ppl can send u file
[10:13] <goldfish> *files
[10:13] <goldfish> worms and stuff
[10:13] <lj> hello does any one  on ths chat site know how to hack
[10:13] <ideafix> only if you acept and run the files
[10:13] <lj> ok
[10:13] <goldfish> ideafix: Don't try to send me files.
[10:13] <ideafix> i all ready tryed
[10:13] <rose> hi - I run WinXP and am trying to boot warty - have tried restarting with the CD insitu but jsut keeps booting windows - do I need to do something else?
[10:13] <ideafix> it was a PDF
[10:13] <goldfish> ideafix: I know.
[10:13] <ideafix> i dont think there any virus in it
[10:14] <kengur> rose: check boot sequence in you BIOS
[10:14] <goldfish> there's not
[10:14] <syn-ack> Smoke break
[10:14] <goldfish> ideafix: It would have to be an executable file.
[10:14] <lj> go into bios and change your boot
[10:14] <lj> so cd runes fist
[10:14] <ideafix> but theres no virus for linux
[10:14] <goldfish> lj: People can't just hack you, and they don't chat about it publicly really.
[10:14] <rose> kengur - it's a while since I fiddled with these things and never on this computer which I have only had for a year - instructions please
[10:14] <lj> oh ok
[10:15] <ideafix> if they do its to deny it
[10:15] <ideafix> lol
[10:15] <goldfish> ideafix: well, yeah, but im only using linux 2 days
[10:15] <ideafix> whats with this version stuff ?
[10:16] <kengur> rose: boot, press whaever keys it says to access BIOS (usually ESC or DEL or F<whatever>) get to BOOT SEQUENCE screeen, make sure CD/DVD comes before HDD
[10:16] <goldfish> im seeing what client you are using
[10:16] <ideafix> just found a new button to press ?
[10:16] <goldfish> ideafix: yeah
[10:16] <rose> I sem to recall on old computer presing one of the F keys to look at the bios (while booting)
[10:16] <ideafix> leave it alone its getin boring
[10:17] <goldfish> ideafix: And it sounds like you know more than you are letting on.
[10:17] <Neo_654> did his mother pull the plug on his computer?
[10:17] <ideafix> what about ?
[10:17] <ideafix> mr noob
[10:17] <rose> thanks kengur will do - seems odd though as music CDs play by just putting into place
[10:17] <goldfish> ideafix: I am a n00b, yes.
[10:17] <ideafix> lol
[10:17] <goldfish> ideafix: But you don't seem to be.
[10:18] <larsrohdin> Hi! im using fluxbox, what filemanager should i use?
[10:18] <FAST> do the themes *.gz's go into the   themes:/// directory?
[10:18] <ideafix> strange because every one calls me noob
[10:18] <FAST> from art.gnome.org
[10:18] <goldfish> ideafix: okies.
[10:18] <kengur> rose: it doesn't have anything to do with boot sequence
[10:19] <ideafix> im the noob but you are the one sshing
[10:19] <ideafix> odd !
[10:19] <goldfish> emm...
[10:19] <ideafix> im the leet one but you are the one sshing ... odd!
[10:19] <goldfish> Wtf are you on about?
[10:20] <goldfish> I'm not leet.
[10:20] <goldfish> It is a crime to ssh?
[10:20] <ideafix> i would be doing it too if i could
[10:20] <goldfish> u can
[10:20] <larsrohdin> give it a break guys... lets all be friends!
[10:20] <goldfish> Indeed, ideafix has issues.
[10:21] <goldfish> Or else, he is homosexual.
[10:21] <apokryphos> Hey Everyone. Will installing most .deb packages work on Ubuntu?
[10:21] <Neo_654> I think the two of them just need to get a room.
[10:21] <ideafix> everybody get together .. try to love one another RIGHT NOW !
[10:21] <goldfish> I think i'll go for an ignore command.
[10:21] <larsrohdin> Neo_654, i was just going to suggest that...=)
[10:21] <larsrohdin> now, does anyone know a good filemanager for fluxbox?
[10:22] <Neo_654> larsrohdin, Sorry but I couldn't resist.
[10:22] <ideafix> Neo_654: is 654 your room number ?
[10:23] <ideafix> you could be a little more mystirouse about it
[10:23] <apokryphos> Anyone?
[10:23] <ideafix> goldfish: so tell me how can i irc thru ssh ?
[10:24] <goldfish> jesus
[10:24] <ideafix> christ
[10:24] <goldfish> just shut up please
[10:24] <goldfish> you know how to
[10:24] <paelscrit> theplateau
[10:24] <goldfish> Stop pretending you are a n00b.
[10:24] <ideafix> i dont come to irc to hush
[10:24] <larsrohdin> is rox a good filemanager for fluxbox?
[10:24] <goldfish> Well, what do you come on for then ideafix ?
[10:25] <ideafix> educate my self
[10:25] <goldfish> Well, k.
[10:25] <Neo_654> larsrohdin, I think it would be just personal opinion.
[10:25] <goldfish> Buy a shell account.
[10:25] <goldfish> ssh to it
[10:25] <goldfish> run irssi
[10:25] <larsrohdin> Neo_654, any other suggestions?
[10:25] <goldfish> or an irc client
[10:25] <goldfish> there you go
[10:25] <ideafix> im using linux because its free
[10:25] <larsrohdin> i don't know that many filemanagers...
[10:26] <ideafix> now you tell me i have to buy something ?
[10:26] <goldfish> ideafix: yes if u want to use someome elses server
[10:26] <Neo_654> larsrohdin: Not from me.  I don't use it so I can't give an opinion on it.
[10:26] <goldfish> ideafix: well, if u want an account on someone elses server
[10:26] <St_Anger308> can anyone tell me if ubuntu has a disk defrag program :-/
[10:27] <Tomcat_> Why should it need one? :o
[10:27] <ideafix> so you have to pay for privacy ?
[10:27] <goldfish> ideafix: no
[10:27] <ideafix> it seems like it or else you have to be leet
[10:27] <goldfish> ideafix: anyway, why do you want to hide your ip?
[10:27] <ideafix> like being in colege
[10:27] <St_Anger308> dam computer going slower than on windows
[10:27] <goldfish> ideafix: being in college doesn't make you leet.
[10:27] <ideafix> the same reason you do
[10:28] <goldfish> i dont hide it
[10:28] <goldfish> u can get my ip
[10:28] <ideafix> i dont wnat it
[10:28] <goldfish> just whois my ident
[10:28] <goldfish> well then , what's all this about then?
[10:29] <ideafix> its about privacy
[10:29] <goldfish> I see.
[10:29] <goldfish> #privacy tbh
[10:29] <goldfish> they'll help you
[10:29] <ideafix> tbh ?
[10:29] <goldfish> to b ehonest
[10:30] <goldfish> *be honest
[10:30] <ideafix> bop
[10:30] <ideafix> do you know what bop means ?
[10:30] <spiral> hi
[10:31] <goldfish> because of privacy?
[10:31] <goldfish> british or portuguese?
[10:31] <ideafix> aree you portuguese ?
[10:31] <goldfish> ideafix: Yes. As are you.
[10:32] <ideafix> what do you want to know were i come from ?
[10:32] <goldfish> I don't.
[10:33] <ideafix> well every one knows that now
[10:33] <goldfish> Knows what?
[10:33] <ideafix> didnt i told you i like privacy ?
[10:33] <goldfish> well don't use irc.
[10:33] <goldfish> And no I'm not from Portugal.
[10:34] <ideafix> you use it and im not telling everyone wich country your from
[10:34] <goldfish> they know
[10:34] <ideafix> i think thats fall short of descrimination
[10:34] <goldfish> ~goldfish@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie
[10:34] <goldfish> dont need a mastermind to work out where i am from
[10:35] <ideafix> i dont care were you from why should you care were im from ?!
[10:35] <goldfish> I noticed your ident ends in .pt.
[10:35] <goldfish> Which is portugal, that's all.
[10:35] <goldfish> Actually I am stalking you.
[10:36] <ideafix> your ident tells me nothing about you
[10:36] <goldfish> It tells you what country my connection is coming from.
[10:36] <larsrohdin> how can i change wallpaper i fluxbox?
[10:36] <apokryphos> Why is Ubuntu lacking basic packages for compiling?
[10:37] <vIkSiT|bbiaw> larsrohdin, see #fluxbox topic
[10:37] <vIkSiT|bbiaw> use fbsetbg or xsri
[10:37] <apokryphos> /lib/cpp is failing sanity check. Thought kernel-headers needed to be installed, but by the looks of it -- they already are.
[10:37] <larsrohdin> vIkSiT|bbiaw, fbsetbg a command or a file?
[10:37] <vIkSiT|bbiaw> its an app..
[10:38] <ideafix> goldfish: i dont give flying f*** were you come from
[10:38] <goldfish> ideafix: I know.
[10:38] <goldfish> ideafix: Just leave it man.
[10:38] <larsrohdin> vIkSiT|bbiaw, but how do i run it then?
[10:39] <vIkSiT|bbiaw> larsrohdin, as i said, topic in #fluxbox has a link to the tutorial. This is probably the most asked question for fb..
[10:39] <larsrohdin> #fluxbox?
[10:40] <goldfish> larsrohdin: the channel #fluxxbox
[10:40] <socketbind> howdy
[10:40] <larsrohdin> aha... ok im no good at this irc business=) how do i join that?
[10:40] <ideafix> goldfish: your using ubuntu ?
[10:41] <goldfish> larsrohdin: /join #fluxxbox
[10:41] <goldfish> shud work
[10:41] <goldfish> ideafix: yes
[10:41] <ideafix> so thats why your hiding behind ssh
[10:41] <socketbind> i'm love to tune my machine, if I replace the kernel image with linux-image-686 will it improve performance?
[10:41] <larsrohdin> where to type? here?
[10:42] <apokryphos> yes
[10:42] <goldfish> larsrohdin: emm.. i've never used xchat, but that should work
[10:42] <lj> yahoo says i need this file how do i install it GtkHTML
[10:42] <larsrohdin> ok, thanks alot guys...
[10:42] <ideafix> goldfish: you are usin irrsi ?
[10:42] <goldfish> ideafix: no, i use ssh from windows too
[10:42] <goldfish> ideafix: yep
[10:43] <ideafix> thats leet
[10:43] <goldfish> em.. not really.
[10:43] <goldfish> It's the only way I can use my shell account from windows.
[10:43] <ideafix> so your not using ubuntu ?
[10:43] <goldfish> ideafix: I am yes.
[10:44] <lj> so can anyone help me install GtkHTML
[10:44] <ideafix> are using unbuntu and windows ?
[10:44] <lj> unbuntu
[10:44] <seb128> lj: install libgtkhtml3.6-15
[10:44] <goldfish> ideafix: yeah, as i said i am only new to linux, i installed ubuntu 2 days ago. i dual boot
[10:45] <ideafix> irrsi works on windows too ?
[10:45] <goldfish> no
[10:45] <pawel> is hoary the official and stable release?
[10:45] <apokryphos> no
[10:45] <apokryphos> Warty. Hoary is still in developement.
[10:45] <goldfish> ideafix: That is why I have to ssh to a unix shell.
[10:46] <lj> didnt work
[10:46] <goldfish> i could use mirc but i hate it.
[10:46] <pawel> apokryphos: I just don't know which one to try.
[10:46] <ideafix> sounds like too much trouble for someone thats has nothing to hide
[10:46] <goldfish> ideafix: rofl
[10:46] <lj> says too few arguments
[10:46] <apokryphos> pawel: Depends on your needs. If you essentially need a fully stable system, without any possibility of a crash (for some reason or other), then go for Warty for the time-being. Hoary seems to be really quite stable to me, even though it's in developement. I haven't had any problems yet.
[10:46] <goldfish> ideafix: Not really, how else am i supposed to use my shell account from unix?
[10:47] <copilot> can anyone recommend a good ftp server w/gui?
[10:47] <Neo_654> lj; did you type sudo apt-get install libgtkhtml3.6-15
[10:47] <lj> how can i run window program on linux
[10:47] <ideafix> dont use do it like everybody and connect from windows
[10:47] <copilot> I'm used to bpftp in windows if that makes a diff.
[10:47] <lj> no
[10:47] <apokryphos> pawel: Also depends on whether you use Gnome/KDE. On Warty, it's a little dated with only KDE 3.2.
[10:48] <Neo_654> lj; and why not?
[10:48] <goldfish> ideafix: What would I have to hide?
[10:48] <ideafix> how the hell should i know
[10:48] <pawel> apokryphos: is hoary *very* unstable? it's not a production machine, it's my personal laptop. I've got some knowledge, but like to use of the box, when it's my box or in other words out of the package.
[10:48] <ideafix> thats why your hiding it
[10:48] <_slice_> pawel: try them both :)
[10:48] <pawel> will do.
[10:49] <pawel> I'm torrenting warty.
[10:49] <pawel> and finishing partitioning.
[10:49] <_slice_> groovy
[10:49] <ideafix> warTY
[10:49] <ideafix> wars are esay to start
[10:50] <ideafix> wars are easy to start ...
[10:50] <copilot> and that's why.
[10:50] <copilot> ftp server, gui optional, ubuntu.
[10:50] <ideafix> not so easy to stop them at least with out some major hard feeling
[10:51] <apokryphos> pawel: It's not unstable in the slightest as far as I can see. Only termed thusly because it's in developement :D.
[10:51] <pawel> I've tried potato and woody, but it was enough outdated at the time of release that I stoped using it. :)
[10:52] <apokryphos> Once you've got Warty, you can always just apt a dist-upgrade and have hoary. You can revert after, as well, if there'd be any reason for it.
[10:52] <pawel> yeah, that's what I'm planning. :)
[10:52] <apokryphos> cool
[10:52] <kengur> can anyone help with locale?
[10:52] <ideafix> how long do you think ubuntu would hold as a honynet ?
[10:53] <ironwolf> how does one chane a volume name on a compact flash card without mkfs ?  Or is there no way?
[10:53] <ideafix> it seems this distro dont even sets up a firewall
[10:54] <ironwolf> ideafix: apt-get install iptables ; done. :)
[10:54] <ideafix> ironwolf: you make it sound so simple
[10:55] <ideafix> i could all most believe you
[10:55] <pawel> OK guys. I've got warty, gonna burn it and try.
[10:55] <goldfish> ideafix: Learn system administration, and be your own firewall.
[10:55] <pawel> cu later.
[10:55] <apokryphos> adios
[10:55] <lj> sorry my computer froze
[10:55] <apokryphos> Has anyone tried to install the .deb package on Ubuntu of taskbar v2.0?
[10:56] <ideafix>  goldfish you seem to know all about it for someone using linux for 2 days
[10:56] <kengur> can anyone help with locale?
[10:57] <pussfeller> ideafix, get arnos script if you want an easy firewall script
[10:57] <goldfish> ideafix: not really, i have used a unix account for bout year and a half
[10:57] <blixtra> which locale?
[10:57] <goldfish> ideafix: but never install linux on my own machine until the other day
[10:58] <ideafix> i seem to lost my mouse button after palying quake
[10:58] <ideafix> middle mouse button isnt working any more
[10:58] <toresbe> ideafix: Don't press it so hard, then! :P
[10:59] <ideafix> and the test mouse thing ist wotking too
[10:59] <kengur> blixtra, where does Ubuntu store locale info? i get this weird string LANGUAGE - "en_RU;en_GB..." and en_RU doesn't make any sence
[10:59] <ideafix> toresbe: mabey you know something about that
[10:59] <toresbe> ideafix: You can reset your X server by pressing Ctrl-Alt_Backspace (this will log you out)
[10:59] <Nightie> Hello, anyone can help me with eciadsl please?
[10:59] <kengur> i tried to reconfigure locales and localeconf but it doesn't help much
[10:59] <ideafix> why would i reset it ?
[10:59] <ideafix> ive already rebooted
[10:59] <toresbe> ideafix: Dunno, might clear up ... oh.
[11:00] <toresbe> kengur: en_RU is the way  Pitr talks! :)
[11:00] <toresbe> kengur: Now please to be acceptink, da? ;)
[11:00] <kengur> huh?
[11:00] <toresbe> kengur: userfriendly.org character :)
[11:01] <EvolutionR> how to install Edge icons theme downloaded from the gnome look org?
[11:01] <Nightie> EvolutionR :: read faqs on gnome.org
[11:01] <kengur> i need to fix that stupidity
[11:02] <ironwolf> ideafix: are you running warty or hoary?
[11:02] <iapx8088> hi all guys, i've got a problem here. Yesterday night recompiled my hoary 2.6.10 kernel using the previous 2.6.10 config (who was just fine!) and now the system is unable to boot
[11:02] <ironwolf> iapx8088: did you make oldconfig?
[11:02] <iapx8088> I need a way to get there fix this problem with the kernel and install it again
[11:02] <iapx8088> ironwolf, pardon?
[11:03] <larsrohdin> apokryphos, hey #fluxxbox was empty=)
[11:03] <ideafix> no
[11:03] <rose> hi again - I'm having trouble finding out my boot sequence - when win loads it goes so fast I can't read all the notes - I tried F8 and it gave some options but not boot sequence - can I slow it down so I can read it?  Thanks
[11:03] <iapx8088> ironwolf, no, i just copied the .config to the new linux dir
[11:04] <iapx8088> ironwolf, actually don't know where I did trash the thing, maybe when iI did dpkg -i I believe.
[11:04] <ironwolf> iapx8088: you need to "make oldconfig" to make sure no options have been added.  Kernels like that.  They get grumpy when you don't.
[11:04] <iapx8088> ironwolf, didn't know that.
[11:04] <rose> oh - Win XP and want to try 'live' ubuntu from CD
[11:04] <rose> it won't boot when i restart
[11:04] <EvolutionR> Just be sure to use ~/.icons instead of ~/.themes. And clicking on the "Go to Theme Folder" in the Icon tab of the Theme Details window will take to the correct location for Icon themes. <--dont understand this statement
[11:04] <iapx8088> and now that he's grumpy?
[11:04] <EvolutionR> how to go to icons theme?
[11:04] <iapx8088> ironwolf, I hope the hoary live cd has some rescue kernel in it
[11:05] <ironwolf> iapx8088: the warty live CD does.
[11:05] <iapx8088> ironwolf, sorry I closed
[11:06] <iapx8088> ironwolf, I'm dowloading the hoary one, wrong way? I have hoary.
[11:06] <ironwolf> iapx8088: the warty live CD has a rescue.  I don't know what the hoary live CD test has on it.
[11:06] <iapx8088> that's ok
[11:06] <iapx8088> will dowload both of the
[11:06] <dud> is it possible getting realplayer and wmv codecs on amd64?
[11:06] <ironwolf> dud: yes see the wiki
[11:06] <iapx8088> ironwolf,  then from the live cd old story I beleve
[11:07] <iapx8088> ironwolf, you were just too kind. thanks
[11:07] <ironwolf> iapx8088: anytime.
[11:07] <Phosphoros> Rose, you're trying to use the LiveCD on a winxp machine?
[11:08] <EvolutionR> how to install icons theme in gnome???????????????~/.icons instead of ~/.themes. And clicking on the "Go to Theme Folder" <[11:08] <rose> phosphoros - yes
[11:08] <Phosphoros> Rose, Make sure your CDrom is the first boot device in your bios.
[11:08] <dud> ironwolf, where in the wiki? sure you understood that i mean amd64 architecture?
[11:08] <ironwolf> dud: wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:09] <rose> had a play with linux few years ago but lots of problems on old computer - thought i'd look at ubuntu live and then try install - also have mandrake to try
[11:09] <ironwolf> dud: yes amd64 :)
[11:09] <dud> yes, but what should i search for? w32codecs, real player, amd64, codecs... seems to give me nothing?
[11:09] <rose> phosphoros - it boots so fast I can't read quickly enough to get to bios - ie to know which key to press
[11:09] <dud> or relevancy i mena
[11:09] <dud> mean
[11:09] <Phosphoros> I'm doing my first ubuntu install tomorrow.  My first dive at Linux.
[11:10] <Phosphoros> Rose, As soon as you see the BIOS post screen start hitting the delete key
[11:10] <rose> phos - I read somewhere that sometimes problems with dual install and overwriting MBR
[11:11] <rose> okay phos - didn't try delete - tried F8 and F12 which were what I saw as it flashed by, but no boot sequence
[11:11] <Phosphoros> The LiveCD doesn't install anything.  It reads everything off the CDrom on the fly.  It just has to be the first boot device in the BIOS.
[11:12] <dud> im so not getting anywhere with these codecs :(
[11:12] <rose> yes phos - I thought CDrom was fisrt on as other CDs eg music and photos read by putting them in
[11:12] <lj> anyone know how to install byond
[11:13] <lj> can anyone help
[11:13] <ironwolf> lj: what is byond ?
[11:13] <rose> phos - on the wiki I read an article about dual boot - talked about problems with MBR - don't know if you're doing dual boot
[11:13] <lj> and live cd is slow
[11:14] <Phosphoros> Rose, Ya I've been reading up on dual booting for a few days now.  I think I have it licked.  We'll see.  :)
[11:14] <lj> its online games for free
[11:14] <rose> previously when I had win 95 I did a big mess up somehow with GRUB and major crash
[11:15] <lj> its for my little brother
[11:15] <rose> but I am definitely NOT a geek!
[11:15] <Phosphoros> :)
[11:15] <Phosphoros> I am
[11:15] <apokryphos> ljlane: live CDs are guaranteed to be pretty slow; they're not installed to the Hard-drive.
[11:15] <Phosphoros> I scare myself
[11:15] <rose> wish I was more computer savvy
[11:15] <lj> runs by cd and ram
[11:16] <_4strO> yop yop
[11:16] <Marty> Will a GeForce 6800 GT work good under ubuntu?
[11:16] <rose> at least if I mess up I can reinstall - don't know how easy WinXP is to install
[11:16] <iapx8088> anyone knows if hoary live has rescue boot features in it?
[11:16] <ironwolf> lj: I need more info.. did you try to apt-get it?
[11:16] <Phosphoros> Winxp is cake to install
[11:16] <iapx8088> marty as long as it's supported by nvidia6629
[11:17] <lj> i know alought abought windows but litlle abought ubuntu
[11:17] <rose> that mean it's easy phos?
[11:17] <Phosphoros> Yep, easy
[11:17] <iapx8088> marty I strongly doubt warthy 6611 or sorta like that did know about 6600gt
[11:17] <iapx8088> smoke time
[11:17] <rose> I have my photos backed up so not a worry - just can't get the blinking CDs to work!
[11:18] <Phosphoros> LiveCDs?
[11:18] <lj> does it mean when im on the computer all the time that im a geek
[11:18] <apokryphos> yes :P
[11:18] <rose> tried mandrake also but the install wouldn't work - highlighted but nothing happened when I clicked on it
[11:19] <rose> same with ubuntu install
[11:19] <apokryphos> When trying to install kynaptic, I get " Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.7  but it is not installable". Should I report this somewhere/
[11:20] <Phosphoros> I almost tried Mandrake, then didn't.  There homepage sucks, so I figured.... how good could the OS be?  hehehe
[11:20] <apokryphos> Phosphoros: Mandrake isn't too bad. A little bloated, though.
[11:20] <apokryphos> urpmi is good
[11:20] <rose> phos - reason I want to try mandrake is that it's suposed to be easy for newbs and windows users
[11:21] <Phosphoros> So is Lindows as well as Ubuntu.  :)
[11:21] <apokryphos> rose: It is. I'd recommend you start with Mandrake/Fedora/SuSE.
[11:21] <Kengur_afk> shish
[11:21] <apokryphos> rose: Of those three, I personally liked Fedora the best.
[11:21] <NoFate^> I think ubuntu looks cool
[11:21] <_slice_> my 2 cents would be to spend 60 minutes with a good intro to linux book
[11:22] <rose> apokryphos - actually had an older Suse working to a limited degree a couple of years ago - but hardware problems I recall
[11:22] <Phosphoros> I like gnome so  gravitated towards Ubuntu.  I can't stand KDE
[11:22] <apokryphos> rose: Fedora has better hardware support; the community is pretty huge.
[11:23] <iapx8088> ironwolf, just one last thing: i use make-kpkg, is there make-kpkg oldconfig?
[11:23] <Kengur> where does the $LANGUEAGE var come from?
[11:23] <rose> apokryphos - been reading some good stuff about fedora somewhere recently
[11:23] <apokryphos> I seem to always fall for Gnome-distros even though I couldn't live without KDe ;)
[11:23] <rose> maybe a PC magazine
[11:23] <rose> from my playing before I think I preferred KDE to gnome
[11:23] <NoFate^> Does ubuntu has that HAL thing that Fedora has?
[11:23] <j-rock> am i the only one that hates both gnome AND kde
[11:24] <Phosphoros> So here's a silly question.  Is XFCE something you'd run in addition to gnome or is it a replacement for gnome/Kde?
[11:24] <ironwolf> iapx8088: no :) only make oldconfig
[11:24] <j-rock> DE's are just a big pain for me
[11:24] <rose> what do you use j-rock
[11:24] <j-rock> openbox
[11:24] <apokryphos> rose: It's pretty good. Very user-friendly; has a graphical installation. Annoying things: doesn't come with MP3 support (though that's easily sorted), and secondly -- it never worked that fast for me. Compared to others.
[11:24] <j-rock> i dont like startbars on my desktop
[11:24] <rose> haven't seen that
[11:24] <iapx8088> ironwolf, this is a bad thing
[11:24] <j-rock> they take up unnecessary room
[11:24] <iapx8088> ok, i'll see
[11:24] <ironwolf> iapx8088: why?
[11:25] <dougsk> Phosphoros, mostly a replacement -- although you can get the gnome-panel to work with xfce
[11:25] <rose> apokryphos - mp3 not an issue for me so maybe i could buy the PC mag and try it
[11:25] <iapx8088> ironwolf, mixing make and make-kpkg will make the kernel grumpy!
[11:25] <rose> but first of all have to get the darned things booting
[11:25] <NoFate^> j-rock: how do you start apps in openbox then?
[11:26] <apokryphos> rose: I think that would be a good idea. You could always just download the DVD iso, if you've got a DVD-burner.
[11:26] <Panzerboy> hey
[11:26] <rose> apokryphos - no - no DVD burner and dial up modem!
[11:26] <dud> is there a way i could connect from my amd64 pc to another i386 pc on my lan, in a way that i can view mplayer on my amd64being played natively on the i386 computer?
[11:26] <Phosphoros> The horror
[11:26] <dud> if that made sense...?
[11:26] <Panzerboy> any idea why xmms only plays like, the first 10 secs of a song and then gets to the next in pl ?
[11:26] <rose> easier and better to buy mag or buy CDs from dealer
[11:26] <dud> through x or such?
[11:26] <apokryphos> rose: Yup, you better go for the magazine ;)
[11:27] <Panzerboy> and so on :)
[11:27] <rose> I sometimes wonder why I keep looking at linux when my winXP does what I need
[11:28] <iapx8088> dud, I guess vlc could help you
[11:28] <Phosphoros> Cuz Microsoft is evil?
[11:28] <Phosphoros> :)
[11:28] <apokryphos> Because Linux is so much better, provides you with much more power. Kernel is more efficient with memory etc..
[11:28] <dud> hmm, perhaps vlc....
[11:28] <rose> :-) yep - that is definitely part of it!
[11:28] <j-rock> NoFate^: with a menu that you get by right clicking on the desktop
[11:29] <Phosphoros> Sadly I have to run WinXP or I'd probably ditch MS all together.
[11:29] <rose> yes - but I need more time to learn apokrphos
[11:29] <NoFate^> j-rock: cool
[11:29] <apokryphos> It's infinitely easier to re-install other distros (with a /home partition etc), and install packages. Does Windoze have anything like apt or urpmi? ;)
[11:29] <NoFate^> j-rock: Just saw some screens, looks pretty neat
[11:29] <j-rock> yeah i've always like the minimalist window managers
[11:29] <Phosphoros> Apokr, windows update  lol
[11:29] <rose> apok - you run dual boot, or just linux - well not JUST linux ...
[11:29] <apokryphos> rose: Sure. Linux takes some learning, but it's not that hard. But, personally speaking, it's been by far the best decision I've ever made computer-wise.
[11:30] <apokryphos> Phosphoros: :D
[11:30] <apokryphos> rose: Sorry?
[11:30] <j-rock> the *boxes also run WORLDS faster that either kde or gnome on older systems like a p2 266Mhz i have ubuntu on
[11:30] <NoFate^> j-rock: yeah
[11:30] <rose> apok - do you run win and linux on a dual boot
[11:30] <apokryphos> rose: Oh, yeah, dual boot. Though, I dont' think I've logged into Windoze for well over a couple of months.
[11:30] <Phosphoros> Wow openbox is slick and tiny
[11:31] <NoFate^> *me need*
[11:31] <j-rock> got that right Phosphoros
[11:31] <NoFate^> I like the borders
[11:31] <Phosphoros> So OpenBox is something that runs in addition to gnome correct?
[11:31] <Phosphoros> <-- Newb
[11:31] <j-rock> my only complaint is that the menu file is in XML, i hate editing tags, once you get it set up though its easy to copy and paste entries
[11:32] <j-rock> Phosphoros: you can run openbox AS gnomes window manager, or you can run openbox on its own
[11:32] <rose> was an article recently that I saw quite by chance, and had read the first article a year or two ago by someone who was starting with linus - he's now converted
[11:32] <j-rock> its very cool
[11:32] <NoFate^> j-rock: Do you have a screen of your desktop?
[11:32] <Phosphoros> Once I figure out what the hell I'm doing in Linux I'll have to tinker with it.
[11:33] <Phosphoros> Something will burst into flames I'm sure but that half the fun.  Get the Marshmellow!
[11:33] <rose> I get really annoyed with MS and the way everything has to be upgraded at huge cost *all* the time
[11:33] <aztec> can anyone tell me where do I find unofficial ubuntu guide?
[11:33] <apokryphos> Phosphoros: Don't worry about it. There's plenty of Linux-ers standing by in IRC channels and on forums (linuxquestions.org) to help.
[11:33] <j-rock> NoFate^: not that i have access to right now i think maybe lemme check
[11:33] <iapx8088> ok time to study
[11:33] <iapx8088> bye
[11:33] <dud> ffs, ill just encode the file to a more open format with either a native i386 linux, or winblows
[11:33] <NoFate^> j-rock: ok
[11:33] <dud> easy to over-complicate things! :O
[11:34] <rose> apok - that's one of the neatest and nicest things about linux - the help
[11:34] <Phosphoros> Aztec - http://ubuntuguide.org/
[11:36] <Phosphoros> I also like the fact that all my friends who are computer-like challenged run away from linux computers screaming.  Good way to have people not mess with my 'puter
[11:36] <j-rock> NoFate^: http://grendel.homelinux.org:81/gallery/Screeners/screener011205_001?full=1
[11:37] <NoFate^> 10 min until ubuntu cd is downloaded
[11:38] <NoFate^> j-rock: cool
[11:39] <rose> going to try the info on boot sequence again - thanks for suggestions
[11:39] <j-rock> NoFate^: yeah thats actually old
[11:39] <Phoenix_vanity> goldfish: you are the xfce guy, aren't you?
[11:39] <NoFate^> j-rock: How do you access the app you've already started?
[11:40] <j-rock> NoFate^: what do you mean?
[11:41] <NoFate^> j-rock: If you minimize X-chat, where can you click to get it up again?
[11:42] <j-rock> alt-tab
[11:42] <NoFate^> ah
[11:42] <j-rock> i never minimize anything though
[11:42] <NoFate^> oki
[11:42] <j-rock> if you use the scroll wheel on the title bar it, well try it
[11:42] <j-rock> see what happens
[11:43] <j-rock> NoFate^: http://grendel.homelinux.org:81/screener010605.png  <- thats kahakai very similar to openbox, i ran that for a good year
[11:43] <j-rock> its officially dead though so i decided to move on
[11:44] <brandoo> Hello
[11:44] <NoFate^> j-rock: k, checking now
[11:45] <brandoo> I've just installed Ubuntu and upgraded to hoary - I'm trying to compile mplayer and it needs xfree dev libraries -- but cant fine these - any one know if theres a .deb for them?
[11:46] <apokryphos> brandoo: just do an apt for mplayer
[11:46] <brandoo> apokryphos, thats no good - this is an old version that I NEED to compile
[11:46] <apokryphos> ok
[11:46] <elyseum> you can install the xfree dev libs with synaptic
[11:47] <brandoo> apokryphos, this is the only version with support for streaming from tivo
[11:47] <brandoo> elyseum, I've got xorg installed -- will xfree dev work?
[11:47] <elyseum> for debian those packs are called xlibs-dev
[11:47] <elyseum> don't know for that
[11:48] <elyseum> try to install the xlibs-dev
[11:48] <rose> well finally I think I've got the info I needed -now how to change it
[11:48] <brandoo> Ahhh - I'll try it, worst case scenario it wont work
[11:48] <elyseum> that did the trick for me
[11:48] <rose> 1st boot device - floppy, 2nd boot device - IDE -0; 3rd boot device CD/DVD
[11:49] <j-rock> NoFate^: the other feature of the *boxes and kahakai and such is the mouse scroll wheel to traverse desktops
[11:49] <j-rock> just put the cursor on the desktop, scroll, and you are on the different virtual desktop
[11:49] <NoFate^> j-rock: k cool
[11:50] <Phosphoros> Rose, Use your arrow keys ti hilight the first boot device and hit enter, you should get options for it OR when it is selected use page up or page down
[11:51] <Phosphoros> Change it to Cd-rom, hit f10 to save, hit Y for yes, it'll reboot, make sure the CD is in and Viola!
[11:51] <rose> phosphoros - thanks that is beginning to sound familiar again
[11:51] <Phosphoros> :)
[11:52] <spiral> hmmmm... Any new about smart battery support ?
[11:52] <spiral> mjg59: maybe ?
[11:52] <rose> :-) new computer last year and too scared to fiddle!
[11:52] <rose> anyway - off to fiddle now!
[11:52] <Phosphoros> Good luck
[11:54] <lj> how do i install cdrw softwere thats not for data only thats all i could find for ubuntu
[11:55] <j-rock> lj look up k3b?
[11:56] <Phosphoros> isn't that kde only?  Just read on the forums it trashed some guys install of ubuntu since he installed it ontop of gnome.
[11:57] <lj> i found one but it always wont install it tells me to type make and make install
[11:57] <flosch> hi
[11:57] <NoFate^> Phosphoros: You can run kde apps in gnome you know
[11:58] <flosch> hi
[11:58] <lj> how do you use gnome
[11:58] <NoFate^> if you have the kde libs etc installed that is needed for the app to run, basically, in the end it's just Linux
[11:58] <Phosphoros> NoFate, didn't know that.  :)
[11:58] <Phosphoros> But that's why I'm a newb and sitting in here.
[11:59] <lj> how can i find out if i have it
[11:59] <j-rock> check synaptic?
[11:59] <Phosphoros> No idea, is there a little foot in the toolbar?
[12:00] <lj> yes
[12:00] <Phosphoros> That's gnome
[12:00] <j-rock> ah i thought we were still talking about k3b
[12:01] <lj> ok but do i have an audio cd burner software
[12:01] <lj> becouse i cant find it
[12:01] <Phosphoros> That'll teach me to pay attention
[12:01] <j-rock> lj: check synaptic for that
[12:01] <El_Che> any problem with the new xorg in hoary (no software cursor?)
[12:01] <j-rock> search 'k3b' in synaptic and see if its already installed
[12:03] <lj> it says command line cd wrighting tool
[12:03] <lj> but my mom would never figure out how to use it
[12:04] <j-rock> i like k3b isnt command line
[12:04] <j-rock> errr
[12:04] <j-rock> two lines combined there
[12:04] <j-rock> k3b is like a nero clone
[12:04] <lj> its not there
[12:05] <j-rock> lj do you have the universe repository enabled?
[12:05] <lj> whats that
[12:06] <robsta> hi
[12:06] <lj> ok eplain how to get this k3b package
[12:06] <robsta> can i install php4 mod with apache 1.3 on stable?
[12:06] <IRCjoe> New dude...anybody who can help me with updating Ubuntu...directions?
[12:07] <lj> ah man i just did that 4 hours ago thats a pain
[12:07] <IRCjoe> believe it has sometrhing todo with apt...right?
[12:07] <lj> hey j-rock you still there
[12:08] <j-rock> lj just came back
[12:08] <lj> ok
[12:08] <j-rock> im at work so i get up and wander off every once and a while :)
[12:08] <lj> i just typed it up for you
[12:09] <lj> when i download it do i save it or open it
[12:09] <dud> IRCjoe, open /etc/apt/sources.list in a text editor. replace every warty with hoary, and then 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && reboot'
[12:09] <dud> then do a little prayer hehe
[12:09] <dud> you'll need to prepend reboot with sudo too i suppose
[12:10] <j-rock> lj: here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[12:10] <IRCjoe> thanx dud will try and pray
[12:10] <Phosphoros> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[12:10] <dud> also read those links for good measure i'd recommend heh
[12:11] <elyseum> how can i set ubuntu to update at startup?
[12:11] <IRCjoe> thanx
[12:11] <dud> elyseum, with init.d or something like that
[12:12] <elyseum> k i'll check it, thx
[12:12] <dud> but i'd much rather recommend having it run once a day or once a week through crontab
[12:13] <dragonkh> I like it twice a day
[12:13] <dragonkh> seven days a week
[12:13] <dragonkh> and three times on a Sunday
[12:13] <dragonkh> ;)
[12:14] <lj> now what
[12:14] <lj> i follwed the instructions
[12:15] <j-rock> ok after universe is enabled, search synaptic for k3b again see if it comes up
[12:16] <dud> dragonkh, i try to keep up with security updates daily, and everything else about once a week
[12:16] <lj> unavers is not there
[12:16] <lj> i mean universe
[12:17] <j-rock> hmmm
[12:18] <j-rock> no universe where?
[12:18] <j-rock> did you enable it through synaptic or the apt-sources file?
[12:18] <lj> i didnt edit the file though
[12:18] <j-rock> i'd check that file
[12:18] <w0j0> please help me?
[12:18] <lj> but i dont know how to edit
[12:19] <Dark_Kyo> hello all!!!
[12:19] <w0j0> hello
[12:19] <j-rock> what editor are you using lj
[12:19] <dud> applications -> run -> gedit
[12:19] <dud> try that lj
[12:19] <w0j0> can someone help me with twinview
[12:20] <j-rock> gotta run it as root in order to edit that file
[12:20] <lj> ont know never used editor befor
[12:20] <j-rock> w0j0: what you lookin for
[12:20] <j-rock> i cap pop my config in here for ya
[12:20] <j-rock> s/cap/can
[12:20] <w0j0> I am lost as how to configure xfree86...
[12:21] <w0j0> I tried following the readme from nvidia and it didn't help much
[12:21] <j-rock> what part isnt working
[12:22] <j-rock> w0j0: i'd say get one monitor working before moving on to two monitors
[12:22] <w0j0> got one
[12:22] <Dark_Kyo> anyone have a url for optimizing ubuntu after a fresh setup?
[12:22] <w0j0> but it's not the right specs...btw they are both the same monitor type
[12:22] <w0j0> I.E. twinview dual FP displays
[12:23] <j-rock> w0j0:     Identifier  "Geforce"
[12:23] <j-rock>     Driver      "nvidia"
[12:23] <j-rock>     Option "NoLogo" "1"
[12:23] <j-rock>     #VideoRam    131072
[12:23] <j-rock>     # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
[12:23] <j-rock>     Option "TwinView"
[12:23] <j-rock>     Option "MetaModes"  "1280x1024, 1280x1024; 1024x768, 1024x768"
[12:23] <j-rock>     Option "SecondMonitorHorizSync"     "57.6-82"
[12:23] <j-rock>     Option "SecondMonitorVertRefresh"   "60-77"
[12:23] <j-rock>     Option "TwinViewOrientation"        "LeftOf"
[12:23] <j-rock> i run dual FP's too
[12:23] <w0j0> nice
[12:23] <w0j0> ok that looks like mine almost
[12:24] <j-rock> you might need to change the TwinViewOrientation setting depending on your set up but thats just changing left to right
[12:24] <w0j0> I didn't tell it how much ram
[12:24] <j-rock> that doesnt really need to be there i think
[12:24] <lj> my editor wont uncomint the two lines with univers
[12:24] <j-rock> lj: its probably because you arent root
[12:24] <j-rock> lj: can you open up a terminal
[12:24] <lj> how do i use edit in root
[12:24] <j-rock> i'll explain it
[12:25] <j-rock> root is a user, like the administrator acct on unix systems
[12:25] <j-rock> open up the terminal and type 'cd /etc/apt/'
[12:25] <j-rock> then type 'sudo vim sources.list'
[12:25] <j-rock> then just hit the down arrow until you come to the universe lines and put the cursor over the '#' symbols
[12:26] <j-rock> the '#' symbols are comment symbols
[12:26] <lj> didnt work
[12:26] <j-rock> and simply hit 'x' while the cursor is on one to remove it
[12:26] <lj> x
[12:26] <j-rock> what didn't work?
[12:27] <lj> 'cd/ect/atp/'
[12:27] <lj> bash: cd/ect/atp/: No such file or directory
[12:27] <_slice_> with a space
[12:27] <_slice_> cd means change directory
[12:28] <lj> you there
[12:28] <j-rock> oh
[12:28] <_slice_> you're not from troll magazine are you ?
[12:28] <_slice_> heh
[12:28] <j-rock> lj: cd /etc/apt/
[12:28] <j-rock> you switched the p and the t in apt
[12:28] <_slice_> and the t and c in etc
[12:28] <j-rock> oh yeah he did that too
[12:28] <_slice_> hehe
[12:29] <j-rock> !aixelsid
[12:29] <lj> bash: cd: /ect/apt/: No such file or directory
[12:29] <NoFate^> lj: cd /etc/apt
[12:29] <NoFate^> see the difference between ect and etc ?
[12:29] <Dark_Kyo> argh i can't play a dvd on my ubuntu i install the codecs and software for this and symbolic links it doesn't work T_T
[12:30] <w0j0> jrock just rebooted xwindows
[12:30] <w0j0> still not working on one
[12:31] <j-rock> what card w0j0
[12:31] <lj> bash: cd: /ect/apt/: No such file or directory
[12:31] <NoFate^> oh come on
[12:31] <j-rock> lj: ect is not the same as etc
[12:31] <j-rock> cd /
[12:31] <j-rock> the typ ls
[12:31] <w0j0> running an Nvidia 4200 128mb
[12:31] <j-rock> then type ls
[12:31] <j-rock> heh
[12:31] <j-rock> look for a directory called 'etc'
[12:31] <j-rock> then cd etc
[12:32] <j-rock> eeeee-teeeeee-ceeeeee
[12:32] <lj> now what
[12:32] <j-rock> cd apt
[12:32] <j-rock> are you in /etc/apt now?
[12:33] <j-rock> w0j0: hmmm, and it works with one monitor, what window manager/ desktop env. ?
[12:33] <lj> bash: cd: etc: No such file or directory
[12:33] <w0j0> resolution runs at 1280x960@60 monitor menu tells me I'm running at 1280x1024@60
[12:33] <j-rock> lj: type 'pwd' what does it tell you?
[12:33] <lj> ok now what
[12:34] <j-rock> uhh what did 'pwd' output
[12:34] <lj> /etc/apt
[12:34] <j-rock> awesome
[12:34] <j-rock> ok lj, now vim sources.list
[12:34] <j-rock> you should be able to type 'vim sou<tab>'
[12:35] <j-rock> hitting tab autocompletes names
[12:35] <snowblink> j-rock: don't forget sudo ...
[12:35] <j-rock> oh yeah
[12:35] <j-rock> snowblink: still not used to sudo yet
[12:35] <j-rock> lj: sudo vim sources.list'
[12:35] <j-rock> lj: sudo vim sources.list
[12:35] <j-rock> no ' thing
[12:36] <lj> im in but how to edit
[12:36] <will_> Hello all - Just installed Hoary!
[12:37] <j-rock> lj, move the cursor down to the '#' marks in front of the universe lines
[12:37] <w0j0> congrats will_
[12:37] <lj> ok
[12:37] <bonghi> Hi all, what if my ubuntu doesn't recognize my audio card (Via vt82c686) how can I be sure proper modules are there?
[12:37] <j-rock> lj: and when you want to delete whatever is under the cursor, just hit 'x'
[12:37] <snowblink> Dark_Kyo: http://ubuntuguide.org/#xine-ui
[12:37] <will_> Is the problem with the xorg conf file not having specs for the monitor, and therefore only giving you 640x480 a common one?  is it fixable, or is it just my computer?
[12:37] <NoFate^> doesn't ubuntu have nano or pico?
[12:38] <j-rock> lj: and then to quit and save the file type ':wq!'
[12:38] <j-rock> NoFate^: bah vim > *
[12:38] <w0j0> vi
[12:38] <lj> i made a mistake
[12:38] <pellywinkle87> hey... i've installed warty and the startup hangs after gdm tries to start. goes to console login after XFree86 fails to load saying 'no devices detected'
[12:38] <snowblink> NoFate^: nano
[12:38] <lj>  cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[12:38] <snowblink> will_: have you got horizontal & vertical refresh rates?
[12:38] <j-rock> lj: just type ':q!' and then redo that sudo vim sources.list command
[12:38] <_slice_> pellywinkle87: might not be your problem... but i had that when i had a bad iso image. did you check the md5 ?
[12:38] <will_> snowblink, I had to add them manually to the xorg-conf file
[12:39] <j-rock> brb
 is xorg any better then xfree?
[12:39] <pellywinkle87> i installed from x86_64 iso and then xi386
[12:39] <NoFate^> I just asked if nano existed in ubuntu, because I think it's much easier to use than vim
[12:39] <pellywinkle87> same problem
[12:39] <snowblink> will_: did that sort out the problem?
[12:39] <snowblink> NoFate^: yes nano does exist...
[12:40] <lj> whats it sopsed to do
[12:40] <will_> snowblink, yeah, added the VertRefresh and HorizRefresh in the "monitor" section, ctrl-alt-backspace et voila.
[12:41] <lj> you still there j-rock
[12:41] <will_> snowblink, I tried dpkg-reconfigure first, but I missed the "advanced" section where you can enter that sort of thing, I think
[12:42] <j-rock> back
[12:42] <pellywinkle87> does warty have probs with nvidia agp? i have radeon 9250
[12:42] <_slice_> radeon isn't nvidia
[12:42] <j-rock> NoFate^: yeah we'll install nano for him
[12:43] <j-rock> ok lj : issue this command in the terminal 'sudo apt-get install nano'
[12:43] <snowblink> j-rock: I think it should be there already...
[12:43] <j-rock> oh is it?
[12:43] <snowblink> j-rock: possibly easier to gksudo gedit
[12:43] <will_> sound question> I have two sounds cards an on-board c-media and a SB Live, how can I disable the c-media one (it is already disabled in the bios).  This seems to be causing me problems as I have no sounds atm
[12:43] <pellywinkle87> my mistake, ati
[12:44] <j-rock> snowblink: you want to explain that to him, i'm a cli junky
[12:44] <j-rock> i dunno what that is
[12:44] <j-rock> and i've never used gedit
[12:44] <lj> nano is already the newest version.
[12:45] <j-rock> ok
[12:45] <j-rock> well we are gonna try something
[12:45] <lj> ok
[12:45] <snowblink> lj: in a terminal type: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:45] <j-rock> ^^^ yeah do what snowblink says lj
[12:45] <NoFate^> hehe
[12:46] <lj> bash: qksudo: command not found
[12:46] <j-rock> lj: you can also copy and past by highlighting and then middle clicking where you want to paste
[12:46] <j-rock> lj: gksudo not qksudo
[12:46] <lj> i dont have a middle mouse button
[12:47] <j-rock> lj: middle click is left and right mouse buttons at the same time
[12:47] <dud> still havent managed to edit a text file? :o
[12:47] <snowblink> j-rock: any reason not to use synaptic?
[12:48] <snowblink> lj: can you run synaptic?
[12:48] <lj> ok
[12:48] <snowblink> lj: Computer->System Configuration->Synaptic
[12:49] <lj> yes
[12:49] <snowblink> lj:Settings->Repositories
[12:49] <j-rock> snowblink: he said he did that already i thought
[12:49] <lj> ok
[12:49] <lj> yes i did
[12:50] <snowblink> lj: uncheck the first line which says CD
[12:50] <lj> ok
[12:50] <snowblink> lj: and check the rest
[12:50] <lj> ok
[12:50] <snowblink> lj: then OK it
[12:50] <lj> ok
[12:50] <snowblink> lj: Press Reload (top left button)
[12:51] <lj> didit
[12:51] <snowblink> lj: what are you trying to install?
[12:52] <lj> k3d
[12:52] <j-rock> k3b
[12:52] <lj> yes sorry
[12:52] <snowblink> lj: Press the search button
[12:52] <lj> ok
[12:52] <snowblink> lj: Type k3b and search. :)
[12:53] <lj> its there
[12:53] <j-rock> awesome
[12:53] <NoFate^> ;)
[12:53] <NoFate^> of course it would be there
[12:53] <snowblink> lj: double-click on k3b
[12:54] <lj> ok
[12:54] <snowblink> lj: should list some other stuff. Okay it
[12:54] <lj> ok
[12:54] <j-rock> heh, i'm still new to the ubuntu scene, so apt-get and synaptic aren't my area of expertise
[12:54] <snowblink> lj: Press Apply
[12:55] <NoFate^> apt-get is originally debian stuff, but I guess ubuntu is based on debian so it works perfectly fine on it
[12:55] <NoFate^> :P
[12:55] <lj> ok know its downloading
[12:55] <NoFate^> Fedora Core also has apt
[12:55] <Xappe> hmm, what happened to the gtk themes in Hoary? lost rounded corners in industrial and the nice cursor
[12:56] <snowblink> lj: You probably have to download cdrao or cdrecord too
[12:56] <j-rock> NoFate^: yeah but my progression went like this FreeBSD -> gentoo (still using it on the main box) -> installed ubuntu on a spare box last week
[12:56] <NoFate^> ah oki
[12:56] <j-rock> still use the bsd's too
[12:56] <NoFate^> gentoo has a cool system right? emerge thingie?
[12:56] <_slice_> portage
[12:56] <_slice_> yes, it's cool
[12:56] <NoFate^> yeah, couldn't put my lips on it :P
[12:56] <bonghi> Hi All, I have a problem with my sound card, may I ask some questions?
[12:56] <j-rock> yeah, i'm a huge fan a bsd style ports so portage was cool for me
[12:57] <j-rock> apt-get is pretty cool though too now that i've gotten to try it
[12:57] <_slice_> portage does rock
[12:57] <NoFate^> bonghi: Just ask ;)
[12:57] <j-rock> definatly a lot better for an aging pentium 2 than portage
[12:57] <bonghi> it's just not working... :)
[12:57] <NoFate^> oh ok
[12:57] <j-rock> i couldnt picture a p2 compiling everything from source
[12:57] <NoFate^> hehe
[12:57] <bonghi> I've read that it should... it's a via vt82c686
[12:57] <_slice_> needed do it that way
[12:58] <_slice_> needn't even
[12:58] <bonghi> that should be compaticble with te via82cxxx driver...
[12:58] <_slice_> you can install a basic system and then compile stuff in the background
[12:58] <_slice_> but, yes, it's going to be slow on a p2 hehe
[12:58] <bonghi> how can i know if proper modules are loaded?
[12:58] <_slice_> lsmod
[12:58] <j-rock> yeah, even w/ a stage3 getting a working system would take days if not weeks
[12:58] <_slice_> will list the loaded modules
[12:59] <_slice_> lol, not weeks
[12:59] <_slice_> stage 3 is already bootstraped and has a complete tool chain
[12:59] <j-rock> well if i did it around the clock it would take a couple days
[12:59] <j-rock> to compile everything from source
[12:59] <_slice_> depends if you want gnome or kde
[12:59] <bonghi> uhm... it says used by 1...
[12:59] <j-rock> xorg and firefox alone would take forever
[12:59] <_slice_> on a p2 i would go with xfce4 for a de or something lighter
[01:00] <j-rock> if i wanted kde or gnome, damn, i went with openbox
[01:00] <_slice_> bonghi: so it's loaded then
[01:00] <j-rock> maybe alsa isn't unmuted?
[01:00] <_slice_> 'boxes are good for p2's hehe
[01:00] <_slice_> yes, maybe alsa is muted
[01:00] <j-rock> alsamixer?
[01:00] <_slice_> bonghi: type alsamixer
[01:01] <bonghi> _slice_: seams so... but in the device manager it says "unknown"
[01:01] <_slice_> and make sure you have levels
[01:01] <_slice_> what says unknown?
[01:01] <_slice_> i wouldn't worry about the 'device manager' too much
[01:01] <snowblink> bonghi: do you have headphones?
[01:01] <bonghi> _slice_: wow! what else
[01:02] <_slice_> did you check the mixer/
[01:02] <bonghi> nope... have speakers ;-)
[01:02] <_slice_> ?
[01:02] <titoo> hello, is the hoary repository "stable" for an upgrade?
[01:02] <lj> now how do i install dream seeker on here
[01:02] <_slice_> titoo: strictly no
[01:02] <snowblink> bonghi: you can usually diagnose sound issues better with headphones
[01:02] <_slice_> titoo: many people are reporting no problems
[01:03] <Xappe> more like: many people are reporing few problems
[01:03] <lj> and how do i runk3d
[01:03] <_slice_> but the www.ubuntu.com page will tell you the current version
[01:03] <aztec> can anyone please tell me what linux software is equivilant to Quickbooks Lite 2004 or if i can get this anywhere for free to use in linux?
[01:03] <bonghi> _slice_: i checked... but cant' understand it.
[01:03] <j-rock> aztec: gnucash?
[01:03] <_slice_> bonghi: you see a lot of sliders?
[01:04] <aztec> cheers
[01:04] <j-rock> lj: type either k3b or k3bsetup in a terminal
[01:04] <bonghi> yes
[01:04] <_slice_> bonghi: put them all up
[01:04] <j-rock> lj: or type 'sudo k3b' or 'sudo k3bsetup'
[01:04] <titoo> _slice_: ok, thanks, I know it is the unstable, but with debian unstable can be completely broken some times...
[01:04] <snowblink> lj: Should be under applications->multimedia
[01:04] <_slice_> bonghi: and make sure nothing is muted.... [x]  mute  <--- don't have this
[01:05] <_slice_> titoo: yeah. concensus would be avoid if you need no problems
[01:05] <lj> its not
[01:05] <bonghi> _slice_: how can i toggle mute?
[01:05] <snowblink> lj: You may need to restart GNOME for it to show
[01:05] <j-rock> bonghi: 'm'
[01:05] <_slice_> bonghi: just click on the [x] 
[01:05] <titoo> _slice_: I need "problems" as I am reporting bugs and using the latest version is better
[01:05] <lj> ok
[01:05] <_slice_> oh, you are in a terminal.. hehe... yes... 'm' i think
[01:06] <j-rock> i do everything by terminal, sorry for the confusion
[01:06] <_slice_> titoo: lol...excellent
[01:06] <_slice_> j-rock: yeah i figured but thought bonghi was in X :)
[01:07] <Anubis> sudo sensors-detect
[01:07] <Anubis> No i2c device files found. Use prog/mkdev/mkdev.sh to create them.
[01:07] <j-rock> lol i still use terminals even when i am in X
[01:07] <Anubis> huh?
[01:07] <bonghi> _slice_: clicing doesnt work... "m" does!
[01:08] <j-rock> awesome
[01:08] <Anubis> how did you guys get your sensors working?
[01:08] <_slice_> excellent
[01:08] <bonghi> Now i hear a backround noise but if i start vlc it says  oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
[01:08] <_slice_> what is vlc ?
[01:09] <bonghi> a multimedia player.
[01:09] <_slice_> k
[01:09] <bonghi> should i try something else?
[01:09] <j-rock> bonghi: you need to switch your output plugin to alsa it sounds like
[01:09] <j-rock> bonghi: dig around in vlc settings
[01:09] <_slice_> maybe gstreamer-properties also
[01:09] <Xappe> try getting vlc to use esd output
[01:10] <_slice_> esd is not bad i think
[01:10] <Xappe> there should be that option anyways, I use it :)
[01:10] <_slice_> a good example of the value of having KDE around.... the esd devs can look at artsd and not make that mess again ;P
[01:10] <bonghi> how can i check to know if it's working?... after that i'll try to fix vlc
[01:11] <lj> i restarted the computer and its still not there
[01:11] <_slice_> try our advic
[01:11] <_slice_> +e
[01:11] <lj> it does work interminal though
[01:11] <_slice_> look in vlc settings for esd as an output and type 'gstreamer-properties in a terminal and set your audio output to ESD also
[01:11] <j-rock> lj: it starts from terminal?
[01:11] <SirFred> Hi.
[01:11] <j-rock> lj: thats good, i'd ask around to find out how to add menu entries for gnome
[01:12] <_slice_> hehe
[01:12] <lj> ok
[01:12] <j-rock> oi SirFred
[01:13] <_slice_> vlc certainly sounds interesting... does it work well?
[01:13] <SirFred> anyone on hoary?
[01:13] <AndyR> yes
[01:13] <Xappe> _slice_, http://www.videolan.org/
[01:13] <j-rock> i'm a big beep-media-player fan
[01:13] <SirFred> Have you lost the new icon theme on X? I'm back on the black cursor pointer and the other old cursors.
[01:14] <SirFred> j-rock: beep-media-player is fine, but a little buggy.
[01:14] <bonghi> I used I used to love it... it doesnt need codecs to run!
[01:14] <Xappe> vlc has all (well almost) needed codecs builtin
[01:14] <_slice_> Xappe: yeah i'm there already... sounds good...
[01:14] <j-rock> SirFred: i have no issues with bugs, what is showing up for you?
[01:14] <SirFred> j-rock: Mine, for example, crashes when I d'n'd songs on it.
[01:14] <j-rock> SirFred: what version
[01:14] <Xappe> but i still use MPlayer most of the time
[01:14] <SirFred> j-rock: Perhaps no the first song, but the second.
[01:14] <SirFred> j-rock: Humm. (wait)
[01:14] <titoo> _slice_: question, is better to upgrade to hoary outside of X?
[01:15] <SirFred> Yesterday I compiles an mplayer with a gtk-2 patch.
[01:15] <_slice_> Xappe: i'm reading the docs now.... opensource streaming yum yum
[01:15] <SirFred> s/compiles/compiled/
[01:15] <_slice_> titoo: no idea... shouldn't matter at all i would think
[01:15] <SirFred> j-rock: 0.9.7
[01:15] <ACID|net> i have warty and i only have 1024 as my size for screen res - how do i up it??
[01:15] <_slice_> titoo: i think runnningpackages will be upgraded when you start them next, no?
[01:15] <bonghi> but still... (configuring alsa) it wont play audio and report that erroe
[01:16] <j-rock> SirFred: check out their cvs
[01:16] <titoo> _slice_: ok, I have a complete backup of the system in case of :)
[01:16] <j-rock> SirFred: i have no d'n'd issues
[01:16] <Xappe> _slice_, and if your windows friends start buggin' you with codec problems, just direct them to the videolan page. very handy...
[01:16] <_slice_> titoo: gotta love that... you're bulletproof...
[01:16] <SirFred> j-rock: Perhaps it's related with the UTF support or something so. I'm on an spanish localized hoary.
[01:16] <_slice_> Xappe: i don't have any windows friends! :p
[01:16] <Xappe> haha
[01:16] <_slice_> nah j/k
[01:17] <bonghi> _slice_: LOL
[01:17] <j-rock> SirFred: i run UTF-8 too though, i listen to a lot of scandinavian metal and i like my umlauts
[01:18] <j-rock> strange
[01:18] <SirFred> j-rock: So, you're using the cvs version?
[01:18] <Xappe> well I quite recently migrated, so I still have them thoughe ;)
[01:18] <bert> hi
[01:18] <Xappe> -e
[01:18] <j-rock> SirFred: actually its 0.9.7-r2, its in gentoo, assumably we have a patch that may have not been added upstream yet, but its doubtful
[01:18] <lj> i have a litle prob
[01:18] <_slice_> hi bert
[01:18] <lj> k3b: ERROR: (K3bSongManager) Can't open file /root/.kde/share/apps/k3b/songlist.xml
[01:19] <bert> i have this problem: after i've installed Ubuntu, both my network & wireless network worked just fine. After i've rebooted for the first time, none of them work any more. If i try 'ifconfig' I only see my lo device. Can someone help me?
[01:19] <SirFred> j-rock: Don't know
[01:19] <j-rock> SirFred: me neither
[01:19] <_slice_> man ifconfig ?
[01:19] <_slice_> try reconfiging the device?
[01:19] <scizzo> bert: tried using "ifup" "ifdown" ?
[01:19] <bert> no
[01:19] <SirFred> I'm also confused about the removable devices support in ubuntu.
[01:19] <bonghi> I'll come back and ask again later... now i'm gonna go!
[01:19] <scizzo> bert: using dhcp to get ip? "dhclient eth0" or something like that
[01:20] <bonghi> thanks you all!
[01:20] <SirFred> When my laptop boots, it always complain about not finding my eth0.
[01:20] <_slice_> bert: ifconfig interface [aftype]  options | address ...
[01:20] <neofeed> what happened to the Xserver? in Hoary?
[01:20] <bert> scizzo, my eth0 & eth1 aren't 'there' anymore
[01:20] <SirFred> Because the pcmcia startup is after those errors.
[01:20] <SirFred> neofeed: The icons?
[01:20] <lj> ive gotta goto bed ive been up all night
[01:20] <neofeed> xcoursor gone nuts and resolution to 640x480
[01:20] <scizzo> bert: then look at dmesg
[01:20] <Xappe> neofeed, it's there
[01:20] <titoo> _slice_: See you after upgrade :)
[01:20] <SirFred> neofeed: Have you lost them?
[01:20] <KING^^^> hello
[01:20] <scizzo> bert: dmesg | grep eth
[01:20] <_slice_> bert: lsmod... did the modules for them load?
[01:20] <neofeed> SirFred, no. No icons lost
[01:20] <SirFred> neofeed: My resolution is fine, but I lost the cool cursors
[01:21] <bert> yes
[01:21] <scizzo> bert: also look if "ifup eth0" does something
[01:21] <SirFred> neofeed: I'm back in 1995, with the old cursors.
[01:21] <bert> okay thanks
[01:21] <bert> i'll reboot and try some stuff
[01:21] <Xappe> seems like they somehow downgraded the gtk-themes yesterday
[01:21] <KING^^^> i dont't know what happened , but my music runs too fast
[01:21] <Xappe> lost my cool cursors too
[01:21] <neofeed> I have the following problems: my xcoursor went back to the X-Core cursor (black) and my resolution might get down 640x480 // had that in school yesterday
[01:21] <_slice_> bert
[01:21] <_slice_> don't reboot
[01:21] <bert> but i'm not in my ubuntu install now
[01:22] <_slice_> type: sudo ifup eth0
[01:22] <KING^^^> why ?
[01:22] <SirFred> neofeed: No resolution change here, but mine is 800x600
[01:22] <Ex-Cyber> if I have a folder open in Nautilus 2.9, how can I make a link to it?
[01:22] <bert> i'm using the knoppix livecd right now
[01:22] <_slice_> oh yeah.. you;re on knoppix
[01:22] <_slice_> hehe
[01:22] <bert> :)
[01:22] <SirFred> We want our cursors back!!
[01:22] <_slice_> reboot bert hehe
[01:22] <Xappe> SirFred, word!
[01:22] <_slice_> bert: and don;t panic...
[01:22] <_slice_> if it works on knoppix... you'll get it working
[01:22] <KING^^^> can anyone help me ?
[01:22] <neofeed> SirFred, well, I did upgrade in school yesterday and the systems came up wih all 640x480.. And NO way to change that. not even though the xorg conf
[01:22] <bert> very weird that they worked right after the install
[01:22] <Ex-Cyber> alternately, how would I go about making a link that uses gnome-vfs (e.g. samba or FTP share)?
[01:23] <bert> but stopped working after my first reboot
[01:23] <SirFred> neofeed: Have you tested your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[01:23] <_slice_> yeah, some config or module maybe
[01:23] <_slice_> try schizo's suggestions
[01:23] <neofeed> SirFred, in school? yep. Nothing
[01:23] <SirFred> neofeed: And your xorg.conf file , has changed?
[01:23] <neofeed> Ex-Cyber, drag n Drop?
[01:23] <KING^^^> hey !
[01:23] <neofeed> SirFred, no
[01:23] <bert> okay thanks i'll be right back :)
[01:24] <neofeed> SirFred, do you have the location applications:/// ?
[01:24] <SirFred> neofeed: I think I never had that on hoary
[01:24] <SirFred> neofeed: Going to try
[01:24] <Ex-Cyber> neofeed: drag what? the folder I want to link to is open and there is no parent
[01:24] <neofeed> SirFred, yea I miss it on hoary... I wanted to modify the menu...
[01:24] <Xappe> hmm, and the industrial theme lacks rounded corners nowadays
[01:25] <neofeed> Ex-Cyber, so drag and drop a higherlevel folder/file. and change it's properties?
[01:25] <SirFred> neofeed: I think hoary is on a transition on that particular.
[01:25] <SirFred> neofeed: The only way to do that is hacking manually the desktop files, I've heard.
[01:25] <SirFred> neofeed: I think that a human way to do that will be available on hoary final.
[01:26] <neofeed> I found applications:/// pretty human
[01:26] <KING^^^> so can anyone help me ?
[01:26] <Ex-Cyber> neofeed: yeah, I just tried linking a subfolder on the FTP server and it just whines about an "unsupported operation" (and no, I'm not trying to create the link on the FTP server)
[01:26] <neofeed> only problem I had was: where do I edit the master files (schemas) easily and how do I deactivate menu entries (like suspend them/not delete them)
[01:27] <Ex-Cyber> so much for transparency
[01:28] <darkkyo> What type of kernel for the AthlonXP CPU i686 or K7?
[01:29] <Xappe> darkkyo, i've used both K7 and i686. K7 right now...
[01:29] <Xappe> but I think the K7 is for the AthlonXp, yes
[01:30] <bert> okay
[01:30] <bert> it still doesn't work
[01:30] <bert> if i type 'ifconfig', i still only see my lo device
[01:30] <_slice_> lsmod ?
[01:30] <_slice_> dmesg | grep eth ?
[01:31] <darkkyo> but i have a problem for the dvd playback, when i put a dvd in my device i have a blue screen no picture available T_T
[01:31] <_slice_> uname -a also... check you;re not running some recovery kernel or something
[01:31] <bert> if i 'dmesg | grep eth' i see two lines with my eht0 device
[01:32] <bert> with the name, type etc
[01:32] <_slice_> no errors?
[01:32] <bert> no
[01:32] <_slice_> ok... did you compile the kernel ?
[01:32] <_slice_> (i'm assuming no...)
[01:32] <darkkyo> anyone have the same problem?
[01:32] <bert> no, indeed ;-)
[01:33] <_slice_> check with lsmod that the module for your ethernet card is loaded
[01:33] <bert> yeah they are
[01:33] <_slice_> also try... ifup eth0
[01:33] <bert> i830 and ipw2200
[01:33] <_slice_> see if it says the card is already configured
[01:33] <bert> ifup eth0 gives some errors
[01:33] <_slice_> ahhh
[01:33] <_slice_> cool
[01:33] <_slice_> what errors?
[01:33] <bert> i do ifup -a
[01:33] <bert> and
[01:34] <bert> interface lo already configure ....
[01:34] <_slice_> can you try ifconfig ?
[01:34] <bert> then it tries to set my essid etc for my eth1 wireless decive, and says: "no such device"
[01:34] <bert> but no errors for eth0 (my wired connection)
[01:35] <kengur> what pkg do i need to solve this configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check?
[01:35] <bert> when i do ifconfig i only see the 'lo' device
[01:35] <_slice_> hmmm
[01:35] <kent> kengur, build-essential?
[01:36] <bert> very weird
[01:36] <bert> because right after the install everything worked
[01:36] <bert> after the reboot nothing worked
[01:36] <_slice_> try ifconfig eth0 <ip>
[01:36] <kengur> bah!
[01:36] <_slice_> then ifconfig
[01:36] <_slice_> don't worry about gateway or netmask
[01:36] <_slice_> or put them all in would be better hehe
[01:37] <bert> omg
[01:37] <bert> that works
[01:37] <_slice_> heh ok
[01:37] <_slice_> man ifconfig
[01:37] <bert> now when i 'ifconfig' i see my eth0
[01:37] <_slice_> read the man page
[01:37] <bert> how can i let him config by dhcp?
[01:37] <bert> ah ok
[01:37] <bert> thanks!
[01:37] <_slice_> ifconfig netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway <yr gateway> eth0 <ip> i think but i'm not sure
[01:37] <_slice_> someone may correct me ... ?
[01:38] <bert> can't you let it go by dhcp?
[01:38] <_slice_> sure
[01:38] <_slice_> i've never done it so i'd just have to read the man page hehe
[01:39] <SirFred> Well, ifup just bring up the interface you pass it, acording to the information in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:39] <_slice_> in gnome... try Computer>System Configuration>Networking
[01:39] <SirFred> Perhaps you could take a look at that file, to see what could be wrong.
[01:40] <_slice_> if you can't get the syntak of ifconfig figured out
[01:41] <bert> it gives an error when i set my gateway
[01:41] <bert> gateway: Unknown host
[01:41] <bert> but i entered the correct ip
[01:43] <SirFred> bert: That IP belongs to you  LAN ?
[01:44] <bert> jep
[01:44] <bert> my ip 192.168.123.100, gateway ip 192.168.123.254
[01:44] <andrewski> for anyone using hoary, did the default cursors and default font resolution recently change?
[01:44] <SirFred> bert: And your netmask?
[01:44] <SirFred> andrewski: Yes.
[01:44] <bert> 255.255.255.0
[01:44] <mike998_Upgradin> can you ping your gateway?
[01:44] <andrewski> SirFred: so my fonts "are supposed to be" smaller and my cursor theme black?
[01:45] <SirFred> beezly: That's fine.
[01:45] <SirFred> andrewski: My resolution hasn't changed, actually. Only the cursor theme.
[01:45] <SirFred> andrewski: But a while ago, neofeed reported that his resolution also changed.
[01:46] <mike998_Upgradin> bert: can you ping your gateway?
[01:46] <andrewski> SirFred: hmm, maybe related to Xfce?  any idea of the name of the nice white cursors or in which folder they are?  or which package provides them?
[01:46] <SirFred> andrewski: No idea. I've not installed xfce. It's a X.org issue, I think.
[01:46] <SirFred> andrewski: But I'm not sure about the magic under the icons in X.
[01:47] <andrewski> SirFred: what was that second one?
[01:47] <bert> mike998_Upgradin yep
[01:47] <mike998_Upgradin> can you ping outside of your gateway: for example try to ping www.google.com
[01:48] <bert> no: "connect: network is unreachable"
[01:49] <AndyR> is X slightly broke on hoary latest update?
[01:49] <SirFred> andrewski: What do you mean?
[01:49] <mike998_Upgradin> when you check your network settings (Computer > Desktop Configuration > Networking) and you click Properties on eth0 what do you see?
[01:50] <mike998_Upgradin> (I assume you are trying to go DHCP)
[01:50] <andrewski> SirFred: i mean, "what do *you* mean?" :)  i didn't understand your sentence: "But I'm not sure about the magic under the icons in X."
[01:50] <SirFred> andrewski: Oh, excuse me.
[01:50] <bert> mike998_Upgradin is that network-admin
[01:50] <bert> the tool?
[01:50] <SirFred> andrewski: I just mean that I'm not sure about how xcursors work.
[01:50] <bert> eth0 isn't even in the list of connections
[01:51] <andrewski> SirFred: ah, ok.  it's good enough to know that it's not just me; i should be able to resolve it. :)  thanks!
[01:51] <mike998_Upgradin> bert: one second
[01:51] <searcher`> Another diatribe I hear on this matter is, "It's fantasy, kids are capable of distinguishing between fantasy and reality." First, not all kids are capable of making this distinction. Frankly, not all adults are capable of making this distinction. If my kid can't, I don't want him or her having access to this stuff. Second, even if my kid is capable of making this distinction, it still presents certain things as acceptable, things like beating hookers, 
[01:51] <searcher`> woops
[01:51] <searcher`> that mousebutton pasts
[01:51] <searcher`> sorry about that
[01:52] <mike998_Upgradin> wrong window, searcherr?
[01:52] <mike998_Upgradin> heeh
[01:52] <SirFred> searcher`: :)
[01:52] <SirFred> searcher`: For a while I was trying to connect what you've said with ubuntu.
[01:52] <kengur> i get this now No package 'gnome-vfs-2.0' found
[01:53] <searcher`> it's a small piece of slashdot ... can't get around the bad habit of selecting text i read
[01:53] <SirFred> searcher`: Same here.
[01:53] <mike998_Upgradin> bert: check your /etc/network/interfaces and see if you have an entry for eth0
[01:53] <SirFred> searcher`: I'm playing with the mouse, clicking here an there all the time.
[01:53] <kengur> kent, can u help out?
[01:53] <mike998_Upgradin> searcher`: me too... one of the problems of gettin old
[01:53] <bert> mike998_Upgradin no entry for eth0
[01:54] <SirFred> Talkin about that, the copy/paste in gnome/x.
[01:54] <SirFred> Isn't it a little... inconsistent?
[01:54] <goldfish> hey there, have a dell inspiron 8600 with internal wireless card, my wireless network monitor is not picking up any device :/ Can anyone help?
[01:54] <bert> should i enter: "iface eth0 inet static" ?
[01:54] <SirFred> Gnome apps has their own way to cut and paste.
[01:54] <mike998_Upgradin> bert: check https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper (I know that it's not specifically about wired... but it should help)
[01:54] <SirFred> But the X cut buffers gets filled only selecting.
[01:54] <searcher`> it's not that hard to figure out
[01:55] <daniels> SirFred: what you copy with edit->copy is pasteable via edit->paste
[01:55] <searcher`> selected text you can paste with a mouse button
[01:55] <daniels> what you copy by lmb selection is pasteable by mmb
[01:55] <kent> kengur, you need the package called build-essential. Search for it in synaptic and install it. Its not that hard. But for most packages, you dont need to compile them at all, just install them with synaptic
[01:55] <SirFred> daniels: So, when I select something with the mouse, it's not available with edit->paste ?
[01:55] <searcher`> everything else, use ctrl+c|v
[01:55] <daniels> SirFred: no
[01:55] <kent> kengur, and im in a hurry so i have no time to help, sorry for that :(
[01:55] <searcher`> SirFred: depends on how intelligent the application is
[01:55] <mike998_Upgradin> bert: you should enter iface eth0 inet dhcp
[01:55] <SirFred> Wouldn't be better to have only one way to do it?
[01:56] <searcher`> SirFred: ofcourse it would be
[01:56] <daniels> SirFred: arguably, yes
[01:56] <searcher`> although i like this as well
[01:56] <kengur> thanks, i think i can handle it =)
[01:56] <SirFred> Is there any movement on that direction? A single way to cut/paste things on the desktop?
[01:56] <daniels> having two cut buffers is kinda nice, sure, if you want two things, but my god it's a hack
[01:56] <kengur> i need the dev package
[01:57] <daniels> SirFred: not really; the status quo is that if you copy/paste via one method (mouse selection + mmb, or edit->copy/edit->paste), you'll get consistency
[01:57] <SirFred> Humm, could be.
[01:57] <SirFred> Well, lunch time.
[02:00] <mz2> hmm, how come klipper works in the gnome-panel for me, but not on a friend's computer (it goes into this little window and doesn't get integrated to the tray applet)
[02:07] <AndyR> is anyone else having a problem with icons in latest update of hoary?
[02:08] <seb128> AndyR: what icons ?
[02:08] <seb128> AndyR: industrial ones ?
[02:08] <AndyR> show desktop
[02:08] <AndyR> and waste bin
[02:08] <seb128> what theme are you using ?
[02:09] <AndyR> industrial
[02:10] <AndyR> ok, changed theme, all ok now :)
[02:12] <Nightie> Hello!
[02:13] <Nightie> I have a D-link adsl router with 4 ports. There is 1 laptop with winxp and a pc with ubuntu connected to.
[02:14] <Nightie> In win I can surf the web, but in ubuntu only ping works...
[02:14] <RichB> I'm looking for help with Hoary. Yesterday I lost my network and don't have enough Linux knowledge to fix it. I did several apt updates to Hoary yesterday
[02:14] <Nightie> can you help me? Why firefox doesn't work in ubuntu?
[02:15] <RichB> One of the updates upgraded to linux-image-2.6.10-2 to 2.6.10-14. This may have caused the problme
[02:15] <RichB> Can anyone suggest anything?
[02:16] <antonio_> hola, alguien habla espaol
[02:16] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, good morning :)
[02:17] <andred> Is there a reason why Hoary doesn't use the GNOME-Fx theme for Firefox? It seams to use a theme that sort of fits into your current theme, but doesn't have all the menu icons that GNOME-Fx has, for instance.
[02:17] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, argh I feel like crap, too many beer :(
[02:18] <kengur> can anyone help with SYNCE-gnomevfs compilation?
[02:18] <Nightie> help me with dns, pleaaase!
[02:19] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, i have a question on size for the best partitionning an HD 40GB for install of ubuntu
[02:21] <searcher`> darkkyo: don't ask to ask, just ask
[02:24] <darkkyo> i want to say what this a best partitionning for install ubuntu on a 40GB HD?
[02:25] <searcher`> depends on what you plan to do with it really?
[02:25] <searcher`> wanna dual boot another OS?
[02:25] <searcher`> looking to keep your logs seperate from your root ...
[02:25] <searcher`> possibilities are endless
[02:26] <andred> seb128, Is Gnome-Fx too tied into one GNOME theme, is that why it's not used to default for Firefox?
[02:27] <darkkyo> i have a dual boot but my another OS is on other HD 120GB ;), i want just to know for partitionning my 40 GB for ubuntu
[02:27] <seb128> I don't know what Gnome-Fx is and I don't use firefox ...
[02:27] <andred> seb128, Aha, ok. I saw you had commented in a number of Ubuntu Firefox bugs, so I thought you handled those bugs.
[02:27] <andred> https://addons.update.mozilla.org/themes/moreinfo.php?id=360&os=Linux&application=firefox&version=1.0&go=Go
[02:28] <andred> That's Gnome-Fx
[02:28] <seb128> andred: no, I just reassign epiphany bugs to firefox when they are due to firefox
[02:28] <^iDleR^> Hi!
[02:28] <seb128> andred: k
[02:29] <^iDleR^> someone could help me with a network problem?
[02:29] <andred> seb128, The description for the theme even says "Blends in really well with the Default GNOME theme and the Ubuntu Human theme.":-)
[02:29] <seb128> andred: epiphany does that better: p
[02:29] <daniels> seb128: there are no firefox bugs, only gtk bugs
[02:29] <andred> seb128, Hehe, yep. true.
[02:31] <Evaso> hi guys any plann to support udf writing in hoary?
[02:31] <usual> is there something wrong with X in hoary?
[02:31] <usual> after the last upgrade I have a plain cursor
[02:31] <usual> after the last upgrade I have a plain cursor
[02:31] <blah09> maybe its an Xorg thing\
[02:32] <daniels> no, it's gtk being broken (really)
[02:32] <daniels> or the gtk engine, rather
[02:32] <blah09> oh
[02:32] <usual> so my cursor is plain because of gtk?
[02:32] <eruin> the gtk engine breaks the cursor?
[02:32] <usual> not x?
[02:33] <blah09> hm does anyone know if ALPS touchpad support is built into hoary already?
[02:33] <daniels> usual: correct
[02:33] <seb128> daniels: right, blame gtk :p
[02:33] <daniels> blah09: no, it is not
[02:33] <eruin> anyone experiencing random X restarts in hoary?
[02:33] <blah09> oh =(
[02:33] <daniels> seb128: there's a bug on industrial; it diverts the cursor theme away but doesn't actually provide the files
[02:33] <usual> daniels, cool, just curious.
[02:33] <eruin> I'm unsure how to submit a bug about it
[02:33] <blah09> guess it won't make it in then...
[02:34] <seb128> daniels: I know, was just kidding :)
[02:34] <daniels> blah09: you just can't reliably detect alps touchpads; you pick up far too many false positives for it to be usable
[02:34] <eruin> as it seems to happen randomly (while using places in gnome-panel or inside nautilus)
[02:34] <blah09> oh right
[02:34] <daniels> seb128: cool, that was easy.  now let me run some other bugs by you ;)
[02:34] <seb128> daniels: I've reassigned the bug to jdub since he has uploaded the broken gtk2-engines-industrial :)
[02:34] <blah09> so i gotta compile a new kernel for alps?
[02:34] <no0tic> eruin: while using nautilus
[02:34] <daniels> seb128: #6175 is yours if you want it ...
[02:34] <blah09> stupid synaptics ripoff =(
[02:35] <seb128> daniels: no thanks
[02:35] <no0tic> theme's manager doesn't show previews
[02:35] <mchasard> hi
[02:36] <eruin> no0tic: you got a bugreport going?
[02:36] <no0tic> eruin: not yet
[02:36] <eruin> k
[02:36] <no0tic> eruin: it's not well reproducible
[02:36] <eruin> yeah, that's what's bugging me ;/
[02:36] <mchasard> i just download the new  5.04 Array-4 but i can't boot it ...
[02:37] <blah09> hoary is due in april isnt it?
[02:38] <Guardiann> blah09 yes
[02:41] <thephotoman> Morning, all.
[02:41] <Xappe> hehe, it's 14.42 here in sweden ;)
[02:42] <thephotoman> Compliments on Array 4.  Heard about it on Distrowatch after needing a Hoary Live CD, and it's working beautifully right nooo
[02:42] <thephotoman> *now
[02:42] <thephotoman> It's 7:42 in Texas.
[02:42] <Xappe> :)
[02:43] <thephotoman> In fact, the computer I'm on right now can't get on IRC in Windows, and the Ubuntu-based LiveCDs are the only ones I know of that will detect atheros cards without fuss.
[02:43] <thephotoman> One gripe, though: I still had to run dhclient on it.
[02:44] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, sorry I was afk you still need help ?
[02:44] <darkkyo> yes i still need help for partitionning my 40GB HD to install a fresh ubuntu under :)
[02:45] <LinuxJones> Xappe, it's 9:44 am here in Eastern Canada :)
[02:45] <darkkyo> but i want to know what type and size of partition
[02:45] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, stick with ext3 for partition type
[02:45] <Guardiann> LinuxJones hmmm its 8:45 in eastern canada
[02:45] <Guardiann> ;)
[02:45] <darkkyo> yes EXT3
[02:46] <LinuxJones> Guardiann, I am in Atlantic time zone :D
[02:46] <Guardiann> yep i thought so
[02:46] <Guardiann> i am in eastern
[02:47] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, whate style of partition et size is do set?
[02:47] <Xappe> we're so international here, aren't we? ;)
[02:47] <Xappe> hehe
[02:47] <no0tic> Xappe: oh, yes
[02:47] <no0tic> Xappe: Italy. here
[02:47] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, /boot = 30 meg /swap = 500meg  /root=5 gig /home=rest of free space
[02:47] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, no /usr ?
[02:48] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, nah
[02:48] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, ok i use your setting :)
[02:48] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, /home is really the only important one. It takes about 25 mins to do a re-install :)
[02:48] <Xappe> what's the deal with /boot partition?
[02:49] <njan> Xappe, do you mean what's it for?
[02:49] <Xappe> yepp
[02:49] <njan> Xappe, it's where the kernel image file is stored, along with the configuration for the bootloader (grub)
[02:49] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, yes but i have installed ubuntu with only /root and /swap i have no partition to backup
[02:49] <Xappe> njan, yes, but why have it on it's own partition?
[02:49] <njan> when your machine boots up, the bios loads the bootloader off the MBR of your hard disk, and it looks in the /boot partition (which it's installed and configured to know the location of) for configuration
[02:49] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, /root is the /
[02:50] <njan> Xappe, because the bootloader is small and stupid and doesn't understand some filing systems and larger partitions
[02:50] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, that's ok do you have much stuff in your /home directory ?
[02:50] <njan> Xappe, and also traditionally because it didn't understand partitions not at the beginning of the drive
[02:50] <Xappe> ah, I see
[02:50] <njan> Xappe, I think you probably could use the root partition (I've never tried), but I wouldn't recommend it.
[02:50] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, no but i have upload all files on my second box linux server :-) before reinstall ubuntu
[02:50] <Xappe> i'm doin that right now
[02:51] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, perfect :D, just wipe out your current partitions and make new ones and install from scratch.
[02:51] <snowblink> darkkyo: you might want to put /var in a separate partition
[02:52] <iapx8088> mh
[02:52] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, i want a best setting for an 40GB HD tell me a best i use the best :)
[02:52] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, if you were running a busy server I would recommend a /var /usr but not for a desktop system
[02:53] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, i use ubuntu for a desktop system, my server use debian sarge and i have created all partition for this thank for this information
[02:53] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, have fun with your install :D
[02:54] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, thank you very much LinuxJones i come back here after my reinstall of ubuntu
[02:54] <iapx8088> I wonder
[02:54] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, see you then
[02:54] <iapx8088> is there any ubuntu cd where i can find a kernel image like the rescue one in debian's
[02:55] <iapx8088> ?
[02:55] <iapx8088> something to do some rescue root=/dev/hda3
[02:55] <magnon> I've never tried it, but the installation cd _should_ have a rescue mode
[02:55] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, oh i have juste a last question after installation i can update my kernel to a K7 version i have a AthlonXP cpu? i use this one or i686?
[02:55] <magnon> if not you could always use a live cd to fix it
[02:56] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, yeah it's very easy
[02:56] <iapx8088> mmh don't know how I' going to fix that with a live cd.
[02:56] <LinuxJones> darkkyo, K7
[02:56] <iapx8088> I have an unbootable kernel, and it's alone
[02:56] <darkkyo> LinuxJones, ok thank see you later
[02:56] <Xappe> gl darkkyo
[02:56] <darkkyo> i'll be back all :) get fun with ubuntu
[02:56] <iapx8088> even with the live cd what can I do as long as I cannot deinstall that one and install a new kernel?
[02:57] <LinuxJones> :D
[02:57] <darkkyo> very nice people :) here i'm coming back here
[02:58] <iapx8088> the bad kernel itself it's saying kernel-panic not syncing:VFS unable to mount root
[03:00] <LinuxJones> iapx8088, sounds like you don't have the correct filesystem support
[03:00] <iapx8088> mh
[03:00] <LinuxJones> iapx8088, did you compile a custom kernel ?
[03:00] <iapx8088> I could be who knows, I made a mess with kernel config Afaik
[03:00] <iapx8088> yea
[03:01] <iapx8088> but my config was a good tuned one, just I did copy the .config instead of making make oldconfig
[03:01] <LinuxJones> iapx8088, you should have added filesystem support in the kernel or used initrd
[03:01] <iapx8088> yea but I have to come back there to do that
[03:01] <iapx8088> I simply need to boot into ubuntu one more time to fix that.
[03:02] <iapx8088> but linux root=/dev/hda3 into installation cd didn't help
[03:02] <iapx8088> nor did linux root=/dev/hda3 into hoary live cd.
[03:02] <iapx8088> what a mess.
[03:02] <LinuxJones> iapx8088, it's probalby faster to just re-install :D
[03:02] <snowblink> iapx8088: can you get to a grub menu when you boot?
[03:02] <iapx8088> snowblink, sure
[03:02] <snowblink> iapx8088: do you have any other options apart from your custom?
[03:03] <esher> how can i disable some installed packages from apt that there never be updated again (ignore) when i do command apt-get upgrade ?
[03:03] <iapx8088> snowblink, I don't that was the catch
[03:03] <iapx8088> I was so sure it was going to work
[03:03] <iapx8088> it was from 2.610 to 2.610, same kernel I told myself
[03:03] <iapx8088> what the hell, that hoary box was marvellous
[03:04] <snowblink> iapx8088: you overwrote your old kernels?
[03:05] <iapx8088> snowblink, sure, this one was working so good
[03:05] <iapx8088> hibernate and so on
[03:05] <iapx8088> It was a newbie move.
[03:05] <LinuxJones> esher, in synaptic select the package(s) and under packages in upper left menu click Lock Version
[03:05] <iapx8088> i only need to boot that box again and I cannot. What a dumb man
[03:07] <andred> http://jota.sm.luth.se/~anedah-9/images/screenshots/application-names-in-panel.png
[03:08] <snowblink> iapx8088: did you actually delete the kernels or just alter the menu.lst?
[03:08] <andred> Why are application names shortened "..." in the panel at the bottom, when there's plenty of space there?
[03:09] <Xappe> that's a bug in hoary
[03:09] <giard> andred, mine do that too... they didn't used to do it in the older version
[03:09] <Xappe> u have to increase the size manually i think
[03:11] <Xappe> andred, i've set minimum to 250 px and now it's quite ok
[03:12] <andred> Xappe, Well, why would you have to do that? It's a bad default since there's space left on the panel.
[03:12] <andred> A bug already filed on it, or should I file one?
[03:13] <Xappe> well, I read about it in december I think, so it should've been filed
[03:14] <andred> Ok. And it's specific to Ubuntu?
[03:14] <andred> Or a GNOME bug?
[03:14] <Xappe> could be gnome specific
[03:15] <andred> Xappe, So how do you change the size manually?
[03:16] <no0tic> brb
[03:17] <Xappe> andred, right click, choose preferences --> size -->...
[03:17] <HurL3y> hi everyone i have a question for Unbuntu people
[03:20] <iapx8088> snowblink, I did that! (i copied a kernel from knoppix live cd into ubuntu boot and succeeded starting...
[03:20] <no0tic> I noticed powernowd has been updated in hoary; my problem with cpu frequency is still here...
[03:20] <HurL3y> in dualboot with XP can anyone can tell me what will be the bootloader with Ubuntu
[03:20] <iapx8088> no0tic, centrino?
[03:20] <iapx8088> HurL3y, grub
[03:20] <no0tic> iapx8088: no amd k7
[03:20] <goldfish> HurL3y: grub ?
[03:20] <iapx8088> no0tic, amd k7 will support dinamic cpu frequency change?
[03:21] <HurL3y> thank you iapx8088
[03:21] <no0tic> iapx8088: yes
[03:21] <no0tic> iapx8088: It was working on warty
[03:21] <Gussy> damn iver never used linux, is this a good start
[03:21] <goldfish> Gussy: yep
[03:21] <no0tic> iapx8088: scaling works also on hoary, only frequency values are wrong
[03:21] <Gussy> cool as
[03:22] <Gussy> i just ordered a cd
[03:22] <Gussy> hopefully i wont get charged
[03:22] <no0tic> iapx8088: I files #5874 bug
[03:22] <no0tic> iapx8088: *filed
[03:22] <goldfish> Gussy: I started using linux 2 days ago. This channel is very helpful, and the forums, and ubuntuguide.org really help
[03:22] <Xappe> Gussy, no, i got 10 cds for free ;)
[03:22] <Gussy> cool thanks
[03:23] <Gussy> 10, nice
[03:23] <goldfish> I got one for free :)
[03:23] <Gussy> i rember someone telling me how they somehow pressed back and foward buttons alot when ordering winxp sp2 and ended with a box of 500
[03:24] <goldfish> yeah
[03:24] <goldfish> There was a link about it.
[03:24] <Xappe> Gussy, in that case they'll call you before shipping :)
[03:24] <Gussy> nah, i only ordered 1
[03:25] <iapx8088> I'm so happy
[03:25] <iapx8088> I promise I will never deinstall the stock kernel again
[03:25] <Xappe> hehe :)
[03:25] <Gussy> so whats the current wait time for a cd?
[03:26] <Xappe> i waited a couple of weeks
[03:27] <Xappe> so if you want to get started quickly, download and burn...
[03:27] <Gussy> ... dialup 31.2k
[03:27] <Gussy> not an option
[03:27] <Xappe> ah
[03:27] <Xappe> ok
[03:27] <Gussy> and i get a perty cd anyways
[03:28] <andred> Xappe, That's just how you change the panel size
[03:28] <Xappe> andred, yes...think that's the only wy right now. but I might be wrong...
[03:29] <andred> Xappe, That changes the *height* of the panel, which has no effect on when the window names are shortened.
[03:29] <Xappe> andred, nono...right click the applet
[03:30] <Xappe> the little "bar" on the left
[03:30] <andred> Xappe, Ahh, ok
[03:30] <andred> Thanks
[03:32] <no0tic> rhythmbox crashes when I try to import folder...
[03:32] <andred> Xappe, This is the bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4918
[03:34] <Xappe> andred, yes
[03:39] <Xappe> off@restart x
[03:45] <Sye> Hello
[03:46] <theine> i'm looking for an alternative to metacity, any suggestions?
[03:46] <j-rock> openbox
[03:47] <theine> j-rock: do you know a clean way of replacing metacity with openbox?
[03:48] <Xappe> hmm, did an upgrade, now the industrial window theme is all gone (hoary)
[03:50] <j-rock> theine: umm i used to let me look it up
[03:50] <theine> j-rock: say again?
[03:51] <j-rock> theine: in a terminal type 'openbox --replace' and then save your gnome session
[03:51] <j-rock> theine: after you install openbox of course
[03:51] <j-rock> thats it
[03:52] <theine> j-rock: okidoki
[03:52] <cutoff_> hi all!
[03:52] <j-rock> tell me if it works out :)
[03:52] <j-rock> it should make gnome VERY snappy
[03:54] <theine> j-rock: THE feature i need is vertically maximizing
[03:54] <theine> j-rock: edge resistance is also nice
[03:54] <usual> mono broken in hoary?
[03:54] <usual> mono-assemblies-base trying to overwrite files in libdbus-cil
[03:55] <daniels> usual: yes
[03:55] <usual> daniels, k
[03:56] <snowblink> theine: You can get vert maximizing by assigning a keyboard shortcut
[03:56] <theine> is there anything like xawtv in the main ubuntu repository?
[03:56] <usual> daniels, I see alot of live cd's using the application 'captive' to use NTFS partitions, any plans for that to be included in ubuntu?
[03:56] <theine> snowblink: i know, but i never got used to that
[03:57] <SirFred> gtk 2.6.2 is already on hoary. Amazing.
[03:57] <giard> SirFred: yeap, kinda curious about the new sound-juicer too... really glad to see bittorrent made it in as well
[03:59] <SirFred> giard: New sound juicer?
[03:59] <SirFred> I have 0.5.15
[03:59] <giard> SirFred: it hasn't hit hoary yet
[03:59] <jayduk> looking for advice - i've got a list of urls in a TXT file. Each one needs to be accessed once only, sequentially, at 30 minutes intervals. Any ideas what would be the best tool for the job (command line?)
[03:59] <SirFred> giard: Oh.
[04:00] <SirFred> giard: I expect we will be able to choose the quality with the new sound juicer.
[04:00] <SirFred> It seems that the new powernow has some mistake on the init script
[04:01] <SirFred> /etc/init.d/powernowd: line 66: [: speedstep-smi: binary operator expected
[04:01] <savage1r> Hello?
[04:01] <giard> SirFred: seems that the new sound juicer will use "Audio Profiles"  not sure what those are
[04:01] <mariano> 'afternoon, people
[04:01] <savage1r> Hey, I'm a linux n00b and I just installed ubuntu,can someone help me out with a few things?
[04:01] <website> savage1r, go
[04:02] <website> savage1r, don't ask to ask, just ask!
[04:02] <savage1r> ok, well, how the hell do I install software?
[04:02] <website> savage1r, are you running hoary or warty?
[04:02] <savage1r> Full install
[04:02] <savage1r> not livecd
[04:02] <website> (the menus differ)
[04:02] <mariano> I guess the http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ might help you, savagelr
[04:02] <SirFred> it's missing a pair of quotes
[04:03] <website> computer ---> administration ---> synaptic
[04:03] <esher> i want to install courier-imap-ssl, but apt-get will also install exim... how can i this disable ? i only need courier packages
[04:03] <savage1r> There is no administration tab under computer
[04:04] <mariano> I have a related problem. Somehow, while upgrading my hoary sys Synaptic got uninstalled, when trying to install it again I get a dependency problem which can't be solved :S
[04:04] <mariano> any idea?
[04:04] <savage1r> ok, hold on
[04:04] <altan> where is the config file that manages what to do at startup (like when it's starting Postfix, RAID services, syncing the time etc)
[04:04] <savage1r> ok, found the synaptic
[04:04] <esher> LinuxJones, i dont have synaptic here, its console only
[04:04] <website> savage1r, excuse me but i'm running hoary
[04:05] <savage1r> ok
[04:05] <website> and the menu differs
[04:05] <mariano> does anyone know the utility of libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3?
[04:05] <savage1r> I actually tried this package manager before
[04:06] <savage1r> And I keep getting error messages and nothing installs
[04:06] <website> have you upgraded the list?
[04:06] <savage1r> Yeah, I think so
[04:06] <iapx8088> mmh
[04:06] <savage1r> Should I dl package files only?
[04:07] <website> savage1r, yes you can
[04:07] <iapx8088> anyone knows if yesterday kernel update 2.6.10 for hoary was bugged
[04:07] <savage1r> Will that make a difference in the install?
[04:07] <website> just check "download only" when click apply
[04:07] <savage1r> ok, well, it's dling them
[04:07] <savage1r> But will I still get the error messages?
[04:07] <SirFred> iapx8088: It's buggy for me. My soundcard don't work for any of the 2.6.10-2 hoary series.
[04:07] <altan> Where can I edit services for startup (Postfix, time synchronization with ubuntulinux.org, stuff like that)
[04:07] <website> savage1r, you get errors for broken dependencies
[04:08] <website> do this
[04:08] <savage1r> ok
[04:08] <website> edit ---> fix broken dependencies
[04:08] <website> and then apply
[04:08] <website> it will fix your system
[04:08] <website> it is strange since i had a broken dependencies when i was upgrading to hoary
[04:09] <savage1r> ok
[04:09] <savage1r> Well, I'm dling packages at the moment
[04:09] <savage1r> So I guess I'll fix broken dependencies when that's done
[04:09] <website> yes
[04:09] <savage1r> ok, hopefully this'll work and I can use wine and samba
[04:10] <website> yes
[04:10] <savage1r> Now if I can just get WWIIOL to work I'm ditching Windows, lol
[04:10] <website> so enjoy
[04:10] <savage1r> ty
[04:10] <larsrohdin> is fbsetbg something i have to download?
[04:11] <website> larsrohdin, i don't understand
[04:11] <larsrohdin> fbsetbg, has something to do with changing wallpapers in fluxbox.. but i can't get it to work...
[04:12] <website> tell synaptic to locate in which package is fbsetup executable
[04:13] <larsrohdin> excuse me? do what?
[04:13] <savage1r> website it's funny, since I've used windows for so long it feels like I'm a retarded kid in a calc 2 class when it comes to linux, lol
[04:13] <website> do you have fbsetup executable on your system?
[04:13] <larsrohdin> i honestly don't know=)
[04:13] <larsrohdin> i have fluxbox=) and its running...
[04:14] <Guardiann> larsrohdin take a look her >>>  http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/software/fluxbox/fbsetbg.html
[04:14] <website> savage1r, it is the same feeling that i had when 4 years ago i switched to Gnu/linux debian
[04:14] <klaym> windows makes us all retarded
[04:14] <savage1r> Ugh, before I tried installing ubuntu (easy) I tried installing Debian (fucking impossible)
[04:14] <website> larsrohdin, maybe you can do fbse(TAB) in the terminal to know if you have that
[04:15] <website> savage1r, no, it is like ubuntu
[04:15] <website> just some questons to answer
[04:15] <jakujaku> hi
[04:15] <savage1r> Can you help me install Cinelerra when I'm done updating? :D
[04:16] <website> savage1r, why not ?-)
[04:16] <savage1r> schweet
[04:16] <cblack> lo folks
[04:16] <larsrohdin> Guardiann, when i click on download cvs-version... i just get alot of text... what am i supposed to do with it?
[04:17] <website> savage1r, how does it mean? i don't find that work on my dictionary (i'm not english native)
[04:17] <Guardiann> not sure i left the site
[04:17] <savage1r> How does what mean?
[04:17] <savage1r> oh schweet?
 schweet
[04:17] <savage1r> lol
[04:17] <jakujaku> i got "ramdisk compressed image found at block 0" when i booted from an ubuntu cd. out of memory?
[04:17] <savage1r> Um, cool
[04:18] <jakujaku> and it halted there
[04:18] <website> jakujaku, do you have a sata hd?
[04:18] <jakujaku> i dont know
[04:19] <savage1r> Ok website, I got an error when the installer tried instaling samba
[04:19] <jakujaku> how d o i find out?
[04:19] <website> uhm.. it seems that the initrd image don't load the appropriate modules
[04:19] <savage1r> ok..soooo
[04:19] <website> savage1r, what error?
[04:20] <larsrohdin> how can i see which version of fluxbox im running?
[04:20] <savage1r> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.7-Iubuntu6.3_i386.deb
[04:21] <totzilla> morning
[04:21] <website> savage1r, try to install it again
[04:21] <savage1r> I did, 2 times
[04:21] <website> uhm ok
[04:21] <website> so do sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:21] <website> what's up?
[04:21] <savage1r> um...how do I do that?
[04:22] <larsrohdin> anyone?
[04:22] <website> open the terminal and then do: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:23] <Anubis> This is pissing me off
[04:23] <Anubis> been up all night
[04:23] <Anubis> I can't successully compile a damn thing?
[04:23] <savage1r> database is locked by another process
[04:23] <savage1r> Close the package manager?
[04:23] <Anubis> wtf? is wrong with the environment?
[04:23] <Anubis> the apps I want to use are broken
[04:23] <website> savage1r, yep
[04:23] <Anubis> I try to compile them
[04:23] <Anubis> I don't have the dependencies
[04:23] <website> Anubis, maybe you don't have the right libs
[04:24] <Anubis> or if I do they are old
[04:24] <Anubis> like now
[04:24] <larsrohdin> how can i update my fluxbox?
[04:24] <Anubis> trying to install the latst XFCE4
[04:24] <savage1r> ok, ran the execution, that looked like everything went ok
[04:24] <Anubis> people in the forums said it works
[04:24] <Anubis> but not here
[04:24] <Anubis> simple things
[04:24] <bretzel> Hi all --- Anybody knows C++ ???
[04:24] <website> larsrohdin, use synaptic
[04:25] <Anubis> dbh-1.0 XFCE4 is looking for
[04:25] <diego> Anubis: why are you not using apt?
[04:25] <savage1r> ok website, looks like the execution went through
[04:25] <Anubis> seems as though I have the libs but not the bin?
[04:25] <website> bretzel, yes but in #c++ is better
[04:25] <savage1r> do I go back to package manager?
[04:25] <website> yes
[04:25] <Anubis> diego, because its not in there?
[04:25] <larsrohdin> website, fluxbox -version says Fluxbox 0.1.14... is that old or new version?
[04:25] <diego> Anubis: sure it is
[04:25] <website> savage1r, go back and try to install samba
[04:25] <diego> Anubis: `apt-get install xfce4
[04:25] <Anubis> diego what is?
[04:25] <website> larsrohdin, give me a minute
[04:26] <Anubis> which version is that?
[04:26] <larsrohdin> ok, thanks
[04:26] <Anubis> its not 4.2
[04:26] <diego> Anubis: shrugsauce
[04:26] <Anubis> so like I was saying
[04:26] <savage1r> Nope, still have that samba error
[04:26] <diego> i'm on hoary so i dunno
[04:26] <Anubis> anyone know of the dbh-1.0 pkg?
[04:26] <totzilla> xfce4.2 installer is failing to find dbhash?
[04:26] <larsrohdin> diego, isn't hoary released in march or something?
[04:26] <website> larsrohdin, i need the package name
[04:26] <totzilla> i had to install the dbh devel pkg to get 4.2 working
[04:26] <diego> larsrohdin: that's the plan
[04:27] <larsrohdin> website, how can i find that?
[04:27] <larsrohdin> diego, but how can you be on hoary now then=)
[04:27] <Anubis> totzilla, with what command?
[04:27] <Guardiann> larsrohdin is out now but its in development
[04:27] <savage1r> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.7-Iubuntu6.3_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
[04:27] <bretzel> website -- That's because I have a point that I don't catch : look:" class::function( const type& t) ": the compiler raises error:  ( next line with real error )
[04:27] <diego> larsrohdin: mad hax...either that or anyone can be by following the "Update to Hoary" instructions on the web site
[04:27] <Anubis> is it in the repositories/
[04:28] <bretzel> cursesiface.cc:116: error: passing ` const felix::csize' as `this' argument of `int felix::csize::height()' discards qualifiers
[04:28] <totzilla> i use yum -y install  Anubis
[04:28] <diego> larsrohdin: it's not done yet but it's fine for me
[04:28] <website> bretzel, i don't know how to help you
[04:28] <Anubis> yum?
[04:28] <bretzel> thus const freference in arguments doesn't  work ... I never understood that
[04:29] <website> totzilla, yum? here is debian world
[04:29] <website> apt-get instead
[04:29] <larsrohdin> website, where can i find the pakage name?
[04:29] <diego> roofles
[04:29] <website> larsrohdin, i'm doing it for you
[04:29] <bretzel> website: ok... thanks for your time :-)
[04:29] <larsrohdin> oh, ok=)
[04:29] <Anubis> wtf is yum?
[04:29] <Anubis> and what difference does it make which installer I use?
[04:29] <totzilla> its a package manager Anubis
[04:30] <larsrohdin> Anubis, the redhat package manager
[04:30] <website> larsrohdin, but if you system is upgradded it is the last package, if you want a newest version switch to hoary
[04:30] <Anubis> basically, how can i satisfy these dependencies
[04:30] <savage1r> website, I can't even remove samba
[04:30] <cblack> hrm. are there install images that support reiser4?
[04:30] <website> Anubis, it is apt-get for fedora $ friends
[04:30] <diego> website: don't forget about the backports project
[04:30] <larsrohdin> website, ok how can i do that then?
[04:30] <Anubis> also its missing X pixmap Library
[04:31] <website> larsrohdin, The latest stable release is v0.1.14
[04:31] <Anubis> I can't find thes in the universe
[04:31] <Anubis> multiverse
[04:31] <larsrohdin> well, that the one i have...
[04:31] <Anubis> nada
[04:31] <larsrohdin> shit, all i want is to change my wallpaper=)
[04:31] <website> diego, what?
[04:31] <diego> m00
[04:32] <website> larsrohdin, why do you use a desktop manager that is hard to manage, have you already tried gnome?
[04:32] <Anubis> where is ubuntuforums chammel?
[04:32] <larsrohdin> website, because i want a new challange... gnome is as boring as windows=)
[04:33] <diego> the backports project offers xfwm4_4.1.99.2+cvs.20041212-1-4.10ubp1_i386
[04:33] <website> :-) yes it could be, but not for me ^__^
[04:33] <diego> oops
[04:33] <diego> note how i can't read
[04:33] <diego> roooofle
[04:33] <savage1r> Ok website, ready to help me install cinerella?
[04:33] <savage1r> er...cinelerra
[04:33] <larsrohdin> i've managed to configure my own menu and all that... the only thing that isn't working is fbsetbg...
[04:33] <diego> and now for something relevant: XFCE v4.1.99.2+cvs.20041211-2-4.10ubp1_i386
[04:33] <website> savage1r, do: sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:34] <website> so we will see what will go wrong
[04:34] <Anubis> solved one dependency
[04:34] <Anubis> now for the last
[04:34] <Anubis> I love this
[04:34] <Anubis> Like when I was new to Linux
[04:34] <Anubis> and thought I'd get help in IRC
[04:34] <WillCooke> Anyone who's running hoary > Does nautilus applications:/// work for you?  I get an error
[04:34] <Anubis> I got some
[04:35] <Anubis> but mostly i had to figure things out
[04:35] <savage1r> samba: Depends: samba-commo (=3.0.7-Iubuntu6) but 3.0.7-ibuntu6.3 is installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f
[04:35] <website> Anubis, to solve dependencies automatically use synaptic ---> edit ---> fix dependencies
[04:35] <Anubis> its the fun part about Linux
[04:35] <bretzel> website: ah --- I 've worked around: If you know c++ and interrested of my thought :passing const reference in parameter - you cannot use the argument's regular properties.  so if I copy the instance into a local or other non const ref obj, I can work with it :-)
[04:35] <Anubis> but also a PITA!
[04:35] <diego> WillCooke: doesn't work for me either last time i checked
[04:35] <WillCooke> diego, Doh!
[04:35] <website> bretzel, thanks :-)
[04:36] <Xappe> WillCooke, have used Hoary since early december, applications:/// has been dead since then...
[04:36] <Anubis> website, how can synaptic solve dependecies for an installer that indepedent of synaptic?
[04:36] <WillCooke> OK, thanks guys.
[04:36] <website> savage1r, look for samba common package
[04:37] <website> Anubis, excuse me i thought it was a regular package
[04:37] <iapx8088> mnmh
[04:37] <savage1r> Website, I keep getting the same error over and over
[04:37] <iapx8088> does anyone know if there's a real performance enanchement using --initrd
[04:38] <larsrohdin> ok, is anyone here running fluxbox? and how do you do to change wallpaper=)
[04:38] <website> is the samba common isntalled?
[04:38] <website> iapx8088, yes initrd load modules
[04:38] <savage1r> subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
[04:38] <website> and starts kernel
[04:38] <iapx8088> website, what about the enanchements
[04:39] <website> (it is used when you don't know exactly what is needed built in kernel)
[04:39] <savage1r> I don't think so, but samba isn't my primary concern, I'd rather install cinelerra
[04:39] <WillCooke> Anoe with hoary go skype 1 running?
[04:39] <website> iapx8088, wait since i need to traslate that word
[04:39] <Guardiann> larsrohdin do you mean the background?
[04:40] <larsrohdin> Guardiann, yes
[04:40] <WillCooke> anoe -> anyone (I think the batteries in my kbd are running flat)
[04:40] <Guardiann> have you looked at their site at all?
[04:40] <larsrohdin> Guardiann, all day long=)
[04:40] <Guardiann> hmmm  try here
[04:40] <Guardiann> http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docs/en/faq.php
[04:40] <iapx8088> website, you are right it's wrong
[04:41] <website> iapx8088, do yo want to know if a system goes better with initrd?
[04:41] <savage1r> Ok, so how about we try to tackle installing cinelerra?
[04:41] <larsrohdin> Guardiann, i've done all that...
[04:41] <iapx8088> website, yeah, or a good reason to use initrd in a custom kernel
[04:41] <Glin|Jol> how can i determine the version of a package i have installed?
[04:42] <website> iapx8088, in a CUSTOM kernel there is not reason
[04:42] <WillCooke> Ahh Skype fixed.  I needs libxft1 installing
[04:42] <website> Glin|Jol, use synaptic or dpkg
[04:42] <iapx8088> website, and why mainteneirs use ite?
[04:42] <iapx8088> it
[04:42] <website> iapx8088, initrd immages contains modules to run the system
[04:43] <iapx8088> ahh i see
[04:43] <cblack> hrm
[04:43] <website> it you should build a kernel for more people
[04:43] <cblack> why does a dist-upgrade to hoary install both x.org and xfree86?
[04:43] <Anubis> fixed it
[04:43] <iapx8088> I-ll go initrd
[04:43] <Anubis> I should help others:)
[04:43] <website> you should consi "any" hardware configuration as built in
[04:43] <savage1r> Website, let me know when you have a few seconds
[04:44] <website> cblack, it does it to solve dependencies
[04:44] <website> it is ok
[04:44] <cblack> website, yeah. noticed that a second later when it asked which server i wanted to use. hehe.
[04:44] <Anubis> does Hoary have Xorg 6.8?
[04:44] <larsrohdin> Guardiann, any ideas?
[04:44] <website> since x.org will be auto configurated for you
[04:44] <Guardiann> larsrohdin no sorry I have stuck with gnome
[04:44] <iapx8088> website, isee thanks for the help
[04:45] <website> Anubis, yes it has xorg
[04:45] <website> iapx8088, here to help (i'm joung and i'm happy to help)
[04:45] <website> savage1r, it seems to be your time
[04:45] <savage1r> sweet
[04:45] <website> :-)
[04:45] <larsrohdin> Guardiann, ok thanks alot anyway...
[04:45] <savage1r> ok, need to install this program cinelerra
[04:46] <Guardiann> yw
[04:46] <savage1r> It says it's an executable file
[04:46] <website> savage1r, it is in te repo?
[04:46] <savage1r> te repo?
[04:46] <diego> teh reposaurus
[04:46] <savage1r> oh...um...what are repositories?
[04:46] <website> i don't know anything about that program.. so
[04:47] <website> savage1r, repositories are where packages are (ubuntu servers)
[04:47] <savage1r> Oh, it's not from an ubuntu server
[04:47] <website> apt-get and synaptic have a file where the packages name are stored to and then the get them from ubutu servers
[04:47] <savage1r> It's an independant program for linux
[04:47] <savage1r> It's a video editing program
[04:47] <website> diego, :-)
[04:48] <website> savage1r, can i have a html page?
[04:48] <savage1r> um....hold on
[04:48] <website> ok sir!
[04:48] <savage1r> http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3
[04:49] <savage1r> http://heroinewarrior.com/download.php3
[04:49] <diego> website: it's not in the repos
[04:49] <website> diego, she has already said that
[04:49] <savage1r> Is it able to be installed?
[04:50] <SirFred> Firefox is crashing on hoary when I try to print.
[04:50] <website> savage1r, it seems to be an rpm file isn't it?
[04:50] <website> SirFred, arch?
[04:50] <savage1r> Yeah, I already ran the rpm
[04:50] <SirFred> website: i386
[04:50] <savage1r> But I can't get the program to run
[04:50] <website> savage1r, how?
[04:51] <savage1r> I double clicked on the rpm and selected a folder to extract to
[04:51] <SirFred> Perhaps it's related with mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[04:51] <website> have you done rpm -i package (it could not work)
[04:51] <website> ?
[04:51] <website> SirFred, i never tried it since i upgraded to hoary yesterday
[04:51] <savage1r> ok...maybe I don't understand how this works
[04:52] <website> savage1r, really it is not installed
[04:52] <savage1r> I just extracted the files
[04:52] <savage1r> I need to know how to install them
[04:52] <hybrid> hello
[04:52] <totzilla> hi
[04:53] <website> savage1r, windows is not linux
[04:53] <savage1r_> ?
[04:53] <savage1r_> I know
[04:53] <website> rpm is a special package
[04:53] <savage1r_> ok
[04:53] <website> it is not something like zip
[04:53] <diego> website: are you serious? shiiiiiit.
[04:53] <savage1r_> ok
[04:53] <savage1r_> so...
[04:53] <website> diego, fun guy :-)
[04:53] <website> rpm is like deb
[04:53] <savage1r_> I don't know that
[04:54] <website> but a little bit different
[04:54] <savage1r_> ok
[04:54] <website> you shoudl open the terminal
[04:54] <savage1r_> ok
[04:54] <website> and then go where you downloaded the package
[04:55] <savage1r_> ok
[04:55] <website> and then do rpm -i name-of-the-paclage (it could work)
[04:55] <website> since in debian i had to convert it in deb
[04:55] <savage1r_> ahhh, ok
[04:56] <SirFred> Is anybody else suffering this problem? I just press the print option on mozilla firefox file menu, and get a SIGSEGV
[04:56] <savage1r_> I'll try that, then come back if it don't work
[04:56] <diego> SirFred: i just tried it and it didn't happen to me
[04:56] <website> SirFred, submit the bug
[04:56] <SirFred> I'm going to restart the computer first.
[04:57] <website> savage1r, if it will not work (as i think) we neet to do sudo alinen package and then sudo dpkg -i package
[04:57] <SirFred> Because I've updated gtk2 a while ago.
[04:57] <website> SirFred, yes do that
[04:57] <SirFred> I've restarted gnome, I think it should be enought, but, who knows.
[04:57] <hybrid> i have an airport wireless card set up for my network but when i got to other wan's it doesn't recongize it/ why is that and how can i fix it?
[04:57] <website> SirFred, is better if you rebbot it and test again before submit a bug
[04:57] <diego> hybrid: wlan*, not wan
[04:58] <hybrid> oo srry
[04:58] <website> diego, it is not my field
[04:59] <diego> website: mine's always just worked :/
[04:59] <Xappe> SirFred, you're using Hoary right?
[04:59] <diego> Xappe: he left the room
[04:59] <Xappe> oh, didn't notice
[05:00] <website> Xappe, ^__^
[05:00] <savage1r_> Ok, website, it says I need to run alien and then run as root
[05:00] <website> ok check if you have alien installed
[05:00] <savage1r_> aparrently I do
[05:00] <website> ok
[05:00] <website> do
[05:00] <savage1r_> I ran it and it said I need to run as root
[05:00] <website> sudo alien package.rpm
[05:01] <zhukov> hello
[05:01] <savage1r_> file "package.rpm" not found
[05:01] <website> zhukov, happy day to you
[05:01] <website> -__-
[05:01] <zhukov> :D
[05:01] <website> more mind flexibility
[05:02] <savage1r_> Don't I just need to create a root account?
[05:02] <website> savage1r_, it was for you
[05:02] <zhukov> I'm i just the only one that cant hear sound when playing flash in firefox?
[05:02] <savage1r_> what was for me?
[05:02] <hybrid> did u try using the root terminal savage
[05:02] <website> zhukov, look at ubuntuguide.org
 more mind flexibility
[05:02] <zhukov> i did :)
[05:03] <website> package.rpm is a varible
[05:03] <savage1r_> I have no idea how to use the root terminal
[05:03] <website> no no
[05:03] <website> you never should use it
[05:03] <website> just
[05:03] <diego> how do you say 'XFCE'?
[05:03] <savage1r_> Oh, website
[05:03] <website> sudo alien name-of-the-package.rpm
[05:03] <jaza> how do i play a game thats in a .jar file?
[05:04] <savage1r_> I ran the alien command for the package and it said I needed to open it in root
[05:04] <jaza> cms//
[05:04] <jaza> cmd?
[05:04] <savage1r_> How do I create a root account?
[05:04] <website> jaza, it should be java i think
[05:04] <Xappe> diego, "exfschee" ;)
[05:04] <website> savage1r_, !!!!
[05:04] <diego> jaza: .jar is a zip file containing java stuff, try `java bleh.jar`
[05:04] <website> put "sudo" before the command"
[05:04] <diego> Xappe: are you kidding?
[05:04] <Xappe> yes
[05:04] <diego> good
[05:04] <savage1r_> ok
[05:05] <diego> i've always said 'XForce' in my head
[05:05] <diego> but now i feel stupid
[05:05] <rotundo> hello: what is the difference between fam and gamin, and why does ubuntu recomend the later to me? (it want to upgrade gamin, but conflicts with fam)
[05:05] <website> savage1r_, , you have an root account but is "unset" and it is betterto leave it as it
[05:05] <savage1r_> ok...., it made a .deb package
[05:05] <Xappe> diego, sorry 'bout that :)
[05:05] <website> now
[05:06] <website> savage1r_, sudo dpkg -i package-that-you-have-created-deb
[05:06] <diego> Xappe: ok seriously now, do you say each letter individually?
[05:06] <website> s/-deb/.deb
[05:06] <WillCooke> anyone else getting a seg-fault when installing samba on hoary?
[05:06] <andred> Hmm, the focus prevention stealing in metacity seams buggy. Sometimes a nautilus window starts up under Firefox for me.
[05:06] <website> diego, uhahahhaha
[05:07] <no0tic> andred: nautilus, always starts under other windows here...
[05:07] <Xappe> diego, well, i do that, but i don't know wheter or not it's right
[05:07] <diego> heh
[05:07] <website> no0tic, it is space stuff
[05:07] <website> no0tic, space navigation
[05:07] <diego> website: how do YOU say 'XFce'?
[05:07] <website> it should be better
[05:08] <website> diego, X F C E
[05:08] <diego> bah time-consuming
[05:08] <website> in italian: ics ef ci a
[05:08] <no0tic> website: I noticed: it starts just under the focused window, but over the others
[05:08] <diego> XForce makes it sounds like something right out of Star Wars though
[05:08] <PWM> when I type "sudo gedit /ect/apt/sources.list" in the console gedit opens sources.list, but the file is empty! how can that be?
[05:08] <diego> Luke, use the XForce!
[05:08] <website> yes you can go to parent folder easly
[05:08] <blah09> its /etc
[05:09] <PWM> damn :)
[05:09] <Xappe> diego, how about XFace then ;D
[05:09] <website> to close all the folder do "CTRL + Q"
[05:09] <blah09> sudo /etc/apt/sources.list =)
[05:09] <larsrohdin> if i want some program to start when i start fluxbox, where can i edit that?
[05:09] <PWM> got it :|
[05:09] <diego> Xappe: heh
[05:09] <website> blah09, what it will do?
[05:09] <savage1r_> ok, web, ran sudo dpkg -i on it, now what?
[05:09] <website> it is installed
[05:10] <diego> i'ma go take a nice steamy shower
[05:10] <savage1r_> ...where?
[05:10] <website> savage1r_, in you system
[05:10] <hybrid> is sudo better then using the root terminal?
[05:10] <blah09> website what do you mean?
[05:10] <savage1r_> How do I execute it?
 sudo /etc/apt/sources.list =)
[05:10] <Kyaneos> hi
[05:10] <hybrid> hi
[05:10] <blah09> oh i forgot the nano
[05:10] <Kyaneos> how can i play mp3 files with rhythmbox??
[05:10] <blah09> to edit your sources.list file
[05:10] <website> savage1r_, i looked into the rpm and there is not any desktop file you should run it from terminal
[05:10] <Kyaneos> please
[05:10] <blah09> kyaneos: sude apt-get install gstreamer-mad0.9
[05:10] <blah09> 0.8
[05:10] <diego> hybrid: `sudo -s` is about the same as `su` but sudo-y-er
[05:10] <blah09> sudo
[05:11] <Kyaneos> okis
[05:11] <blah09> my typing is bad today
[05:11] <website> go to the terminal and then write the name of the program
[05:11] <dud> you can only execute ELF executables... not ascii files heh
[05:11] <Kyaneos> thankyou very much
[05:11] <savage1r_> ok, with the .deb extension?
[05:11] <website> blah09, yes :-)
[05:11] <diego> dud: you can interpret ascii files...
[05:11] <website> no
[05:11] <website> savage1r_, without deb
[05:11] <savage1r_> ok
[05:12] <SoB> anyone have some insight as to why k3b (growisofs) won't burn DVDs faster then .7X...?  And after installing k3b using synaptic I can't run the setup because kcmshell is missing but not listed in synaptic
[05:12] <website> savage1r_, it is started?
[05:12] <diego> bye all...look out for reposaurus rexes as you leave
[05:12] <larsrohdin> how can i make a program start when i log in to fluxbox?
[05:12] <maximaus> Kyaneos, open up Synaptic and search for gstreamer-mad
[05:12] <robably> uhh, anyone know what might be cuasing the install to freeze after hardware detection? the error it reports (before hanging) is Kernel panic: fatal exception in interrupt in interrupt handler - not syncing
[05:12] <savage1r_> no
[05:12] <website> SoB, it is not the better way into ubuntu
[05:12] <website> larsrohdin, gonna google
[05:13] <SoB> website, I don't understand what you mean
[05:13] <website> maximaus, not gstreamer-mad but gstreamer0.8-mad on the universe
[05:13] <blah09> oh its just gstreamer-mad without the 0.8
[05:13] <blah09> oh
[05:13] <savage1r_> So, it was xmovie_1.9.13-2_i386.deb, I tried running that without the .deb extension
[05:13] <blah09> ah yes website is right
[05:13] <website> SoB, it is not the best thing to use kde stuff on ubuntu
[05:13] <maximaus> Anyone here used Beatrix? I'm throwing Linux on my aunties 2nd HDD (she's begging because of virii) and on the fence between it and Ubuntu (which I use on my box). She's got a 350mhz/192 clunker.
[05:14] <savage1r_> won't run, lol
[05:14] <blah09> lol
[05:14] <blah09> but fluxbox on it
[05:14] <website> blah09, i don't understand, is there a gstreamer-mad package?
[05:15] <blah09> yeah apparently, im not sure if it works though
[05:15] <SoB> website, even without k3b, just using growisofs on the command line it doesn't burn the possible 2x
[05:15] <savage1r_> Ugh this is the biggest drawback I can see in linux
[05:15] <blah09> on ubuntuguides.org they recommend gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:15] <website> blah09, yes it is true
[05:15] <Quest-Master> savage1r_, what drawback?
[05:15] <savage1r_> Pain in the ass installs
[05:16] <fc> Hi, I need a good program to burn audio and data cd's, and to burn from an iso
[05:16] <website> blah09, i don't find that package
[05:16] <website> fc www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:16] <SoB> I'm with fc, then, if k3b w/growisofs isn't a good idea.  What are the alternatives
[05:16] <SoB> very well
[05:16] <Quest-Master> savage1r_, what are you installing?
[05:16] <maximaus> fc, data and iso you can do with Nautilus just great. I use Gnomebaker for audio CDs.
[05:16] <fc> huh?
[05:16] <cubex> hello everyone
[05:16] <blah09> root@loki:/ # apt-cache search gstreamer-mad
[05:16] <blah09> gstreamer-mad - MAD MPEG audio decoder plugin for GStreamer
[05:16] <savage1r_> Private pm quest
[05:17] <cubex> why does postfix depend on ubuntu-base?!
[05:17] <fc> maximaus, how do you burn iso's with nautilus
[05:17] <Xappe> how about graveman? (haven't tried it myself)
[05:17] <maximaus> right click, "burn"
[05:17] <cubex> i want to remove postfix, but it says it'll remove ubuntu-base as well, how ome?!
[05:17] <fc> hm
[05:17] <blah09> maximaus: you could try installing ubuntu using the custom boot parameter with the install CD, then installing fluxbox instead of gnome
[05:17] <website> blah09, $ sudo apt-cache search gstreamer-mad
[05:17] <website> vincenzo@ubuntu:~ $
[05:18] <heliode> hey, can I ask a question about ubuntu? I just installed it on my laptop and the screen resolution won't go above 800x600, while I specified it during the install
[05:18] <website> blah09, nothing for me (using ubuntu servers without universe)
[05:18] <blah09> must be on universe then
[05:18] <maximaus> blah09, I'm using Gnome period, it runs just fine on that box as I've run Mandrake/gnome on it before.
[05:18] <savage1r_> well quest, I sudo alien'd an rpm, sudo dpkg -i'd it, and now I can't get them to execute
[05:18] <fc> maximaus, right click in the cd creator? i dont see "burn"
[05:18] <maximaus> the ram is the bottleneck anyway.
[05:18] <blah09> ah ok
[05:18] <maximaus> fc, no just right click on the file in the browser.
[05:19] <fc> oh
[05:19] <savage1r_> I'm a linux retard so it's kind of difficult
[05:19] <maximaus> blah09, so I'm looking for something that doesn't have a bunch of services in the background (like Fedora ;))
[05:19] <Quest-Master> savage1r_, alien doesn't always work perfectly
[05:19] <blah09> ahh
[05:19] <Quest-Master> What program did you want to install?
[05:19] <blah09> gentoo stage 1? ;)
[05:19] <savage1r_> xmovie and mix2005
[05:19] <website> Quest-Master, it is a rpm progrram
[05:19] <savage1r_> Going to try to install cinelerra next
[05:20] <heliode> I used 'fb1024x768' to get live distro's like Knoppix and BeatrIX to the right resolution. How can I do so for Ubuntu?
[05:20] <website> Quest-Master, whitout soureces
[05:20] <Quest-Master> website: Well, that is a crap program
[05:20] <website> Quest-Master, yes i know but he wanna play it
[05:20] <maximaus> heliode: Computer/System configuration/resolution.
[05:20] <savage1r_> Get errors like mix2005: error while loading shared libraries: libXxf86vm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: nos such file or directory
[05:20] <website> Quest-Master, he did a .deb and install it
[05:21] <jaza> how do i get java for mozilla in ubuntu??
[05:21] <encKe`> I have a SB live sound card , but cant seem to get it going. Ubuntu wants to use my on board sound. How can i change this?
[05:21] <website> Quest-Master, do you know a good movie editor program (he is lookin for that)
[05:21] <website> ?
[05:21] <cubex> guys, what does it hurt if i remove ubuntu-base from my system?
[05:21] <jaza> encke, disable it in your bios
[05:21] <heliode> Maximaus: there i can only select 640x480 and 800x600. i did specify 1024x768 during the install though
[05:21] <maximaus> encKe`, I believe you need to disable the on board in the bios.
[05:21] <website> encKe`, there is a jumper on you motherboard
[05:21] <cubex> dpkg-query -L says ubuntu-base only contains 2 files, copyright and changes, so is it ok to remove it?
[05:21] <encKe`> awww......ok
[05:21] <savage1r_> I know this one is good website
[05:21] <maximaus> heliode, you'll have to manually edit the xfree config file then.
[05:22] <savage1r_> Just getting it to work is the trick
[05:22] <maximaus> and I'm not an authority on that LOL
[05:22] <jaza> maximaus, how do u install a jar file??
[05:22] <heliode> o ok...
[05:22] <website> savage1r_, it is is good why it is not package either in the universe
[05:22] <jaza> any sitees for linux nubs on installing files for linux??
[05:22] <encKe`> jaza ....check out this for ur java issue ---> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/index.html
[05:22] <jaza> i did :/
[05:22] <jaza> cant dload it
[05:22] <jaza> lol
[05:22] <cubex> please?
[05:22] <website> jaza, yes google is the main site
[05:22] <Quest-Master> website: I don't know of any
[05:22] <maximaus> jaza what jar file do you want to install? That's a java file btw.
[05:22] <encKe`> worked for me
[05:22] <Quest-Master> I'm sure you can find some though
[05:22] <heliode> maximaus: i'll try that now..
[05:22] <jaza> umm
[05:22] <savage1r_> That's kind of irrelevent, I've read the reviews, talked to people who've used it, seen it's specs, it's a good program
[05:22] <jaza> silmar.jar
[05:23] <jaza> maximaus, there is a silmar.jar and a silmar_data.jar lol
[05:23] <website> savage1r_, so why it does not work?
[05:23] <maximaus> jaza, you'll need to install java to make it work.
[05:23] <savage1r_> User error, replace user
[05:23] <jaza> make what work?
[05:24] <jaza> its a game i downloaded
[05:24] <jaza> o i c
[05:24] <website> savage1r_, the only way to run it is from console
[05:24] <heliode> Maximaus: u think copying the XF86Config-4 file from Knoppix might do the trick?
[05:24] <website> try run it from console
[05:24] <encKe`> brb ....gonna change bios setting
[05:24] <blah09> heliode i'd just copy out the relevant bits
[05:24] <maximaus> heliode, that's a good idea--though I'd just print it out and use it for "inspiration". ;)
[05:24] <savage1r_> Is there a command I need to use when executing it?
[05:24] <heliode> hm ok i'll go try
[05:24] <website> heliode, have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure x-server-xfree86?
[05:25] <savage1r_> I mean, all the sudo alien, sudo dpkg -i stuff seemed to work
[05:25] <savage1r_> Maybe I'm just not using the right command to execute
[05:25] <heliode> ehm.. no i havent... i'll do that first
[05:25] <website> sudo dpkg -i package : says that it is installed right?
[05:26] <limaunion> Hi, I'm having some trouble with the new thunderbird 1.0 after upgrading my laptop from warty-backports, I can't get any email from my pop3 account, any ideas?
[05:26] <website> savage1r_,  sudo dpkg -i package : says that it is installed right?
[05:26] <Kyaneos> i have a problem with rhythmbox
[05:26] <website> Kyaneos, play an mp3? go to ubuntuguide.org
[05:26] <Kyaneos> it seems it plays mp3 files but it breaks
[05:27] <savage1r_> Unpacking cinelerra (from cinelerra_1.2.2-2_i386.deb
[05:27] <blah09> you'll have to be a little more specific than that ;)
[05:27] <savage1r_> Setting up cinelerra (1.2.2-2)...
[05:27] <heliode> website: what is the command i should do? i'm root btw.
[05:27] <website> Kyaneos, you have to install gstream-mad package
[05:27] <savage1r_> Then next command line
[05:27] <savage1r_> So I'm assuming it work
[05:27] <website> heliode, it will configure your xserver
[05:27] <website> savage1r_, ok
[05:27] <website> do
[05:28] <website> cinirella in your terminal
[05:28] <website> $cinirella
[05:28] <heliode> website; it says the package is not installed
[05:28] <website> the "$" means that you are on terminal
[05:28] <heliode> 'x-server-xfree86' is not installed
[05:28] <website> heliode, do you have xorg?
[05:29] <blah09> can you set rhythmbox to monitor a folder for mp3s?
[05:29] <website> blah09, import folder
[05:29] <blah09> will that monitor?
[05:29] <heliode> website: I just installed it today from  the latest CD. how can i check?
[05:29] <blah09> if i say an mp3 to the folder will rhythbox autoadd?
[05:29] <maximaus> blah09, no it won't unfortunately.
[05:29] <encKe`> thx for the sound advice. Werked great :)
[05:29] <blah09> =(
[05:29] <website> i used that than i add files and they are monitorated every atartup
[05:29] <blah09> too bad
[05:29] <savage1r_> cinelerra: error while loading shared libraries: libXxf86vm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:29] <blah09> ok ill try
[05:30] <maximaus> blah09, that's the ONLY thing I like about Juk.
[05:30] <website> heliode, use synaptic
[05:30] <blah09> i've never tried juk
[05:30] <blah09> no big deal though, on my xp box i used my computer as my library and played the m3u's in foobar =)
[05:30] <savage1r_> You see that error website?
[05:30] <website> savage1r_, it seems that the library is not in the good place
[05:30] <maximaus> savage1r_, then install the missing library.
[05:30] <savage1r_> ok, how?
[05:30] <SoB> =/
[05:31] <heliode> website; it seems i've got xfree86 installed
[05:31] <maximaus> blah09, there's always xmms: open folder and give it your root mp3 folder. I use Cymbaline.py at the command line. :P
[05:32] <website> heliode, so: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:32] <savage1r_> The Cinelerra package contains Cinelerra and most of the libraries needed to run it. We try to include all the dependancies because of the difficulty in tracking down the right versions. Also included are some utilities for handling files. The following are the general contents of all Cinelerra packages.
[05:32] <savage1r_>     * Foreign language translations - These go into /usr/share/locale.
[05:32] <savage1r_>     * Cinelerra executable - This goes into /usr/bin
[05:32] <savage1r_>     * Cinelerra plugins - These go into /usr/lib/cinelerra
[05:32] <savage1r_>     * soundtest - Utility for determining sound card buffer size.
[05:32] <savage1r_>     * mplexhi - Multiplexing of MPEG elementary streams with standards conformance.
[05:32] <savage1r_>     * mplexlo - Multiplexing of MPEG elementary streams without standards conformance but more efficiently.
[05:32] <savage1r_>     * mpeg3toc - Utility for indexing and reading MPEG files.
[05:32] <SirFred> Is there any password wallet on ubuntu?
[05:32] <website> savage1r_, use a pastebin instead
[05:32] <savage1r_> pastebin?
[05:32] <website> ciao SirFred risolto con firefox?
[05:32] <heliode> website: ow now somethings happening... just a sec
[05:33] <SirFred> website: No.
[05:33] <SirFred> website: I'm going to open a bug report.
[05:33] <website> savage1r_, do not flood channel with long messages
[05:33] <jaza> maximaus
[05:33] <jaza> u there?
[05:33] <savage1r_> oh, sorry
[05:33] <SirFred> website: That was italian, wasn't it?
[05:33] <maximaus> Ya
[05:33] <jaza> hi
[05:33] <SirFred> website: :)
[05:33] <jaza> i got java installed now
[05:33] <jaza> how do i run silmar.jar
[05:33] <jaza> ?
[05:34] <website> yes SirFred excuse me i looked to you quit message
[05:34] <website> and it was italian
[05:34] <website> jaza, it should be $java program.jar
[05:34] <SirFred> What was my quit message?
[05:34] <Xappe> hmm, hope they'll fix the gtk themes soon :/
[05:34] <SoB> nautilus' ability to write cd/dvd is really cool, except when trying to write an ISO to a DVD it requests that I put in blank media over and over again, despite there already being one in the drive
[05:34] <website> SirFred, something like "abbandono"
[05:34] <SirFred> website: Weird.
[05:35] <maximaus> jaza: max@ubuntu:~ $ java -h
[05:35] <maximaus> Usage: java [-options]  class [args...] 
[05:35] <maximaus>            (to execute a class)
[05:35] <maximaus>    or  java [-options]  -jar jarfile [args...]          (to execute a jar file)
[05:35] <SirFred> website: Oh, it was "Abandonando"
[05:35] <SirFred> website: Spanish.
[05:35] <jaza> hmm
[05:35] <iGadget_> hi
[05:35] <website> SirFred, it is the "present continuos" of abbandono in italian :-)
[05:35] <jaza> in readme it says type java -jar silmar.jar
[05:35] <SirFred> jaza: You need to know the name of the class.
[05:35] <jaza> ?
[05:35] <maximaus> jaza: exactly. :D
[05:35] <jaza> ya
[05:35] <jaza> but it says
[05:36] <jaza> zazeem@ubuntu:~ $ java -jar silmar.jar
[05:36] <jaza> bash: java: command not found
[05:36] <iGadget_> anyone got some experience with 1600x1200 displays using dvi on linux?
[05:36] <SirFred> jaza: You need to have java in your path.
[05:36] <crackerjack> Hello all!! I cannot login to gdm!! I have installed Ubuntu three times over again, and still I cannot login using gdm. Under a normal terminal it works okay
[05:36] <jaza> huh?
[05:36] <SirFred> jaza: Where have you installed java?
[05:36] <hybrid> hello
[05:36] <iGadget_> I got mine working... but the display's distorted
[05:36] <jaza> to home
[05:36] <jaza>  /home/user/
[05:36] <savage1r_> Oh well, fuck it
[05:36] <heliode> website ok, i'm done. now i suppose i'll have to restart the x server?
[05:36] <SirFred> jaza: So, where is the java executable ?
[05:36] <jaza> o wait /home/jaza/
[05:37] <jaza> what
[05:37] <SirFred> jaza: The binary called java.
[05:37] <jaza> where
[05:37] <SirFred> jaza: Yes, where?
[05:37] <hybrid> i have a wlan and my aiport card works perfectly on it but when i went to a friends house the wlan did not work i have a linksys and she has a netgear
[05:37] <jaza> i have no idea what that is
[05:37] <maximaus> jaza, that's unusual but fine--just make a symlink from your ~/javaxxx/bin/java to /usr/local/bin/java
[05:37] <SirFred> jaza: You said that you had installed java, didn't you?
[05:38] <jaza> ya
[05:38] <crackerjack> Hello all!! I cannot login to gdm!! I have installed Ubuntu three times over again, and still I cannot login using gdm. Under a normal terminal it works okay
[05:38] <maximaus> jaza, do you know what a shortcut is in windows? A symlink is kinda like that.
[05:38] <SirFred> jaza: So, how did you installed it? Tell me the steps to install you followed.
[05:38] <jaza> o i c
[05:38] <hybrid>  i have a wlan and my aiport card works perfectly on it but when i went to a friends house the wlan did not work i have a linksys and she has a netgear. why is that?
[05:38] <jaza> ld on ill look
[05:38] <jaza> sudo sh /home/jaza/jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin
[05:38] <jaza> thats where
[05:38] <iGadget_> crackerjack: probably your gfx card is not correctly installed
[05:38] <SirFred> jaza: That's how.
[05:39] <jaza> ?
[05:39] <jaza> thats what i did
[05:39] <jaza> so.?
[05:39] <jaza> lol
[05:39] <iGadget_> crackerjack: nvidia card?
[05:39] <SirFred> jaza: That's the installer.
[05:39] <jaza> ya i installed it already
[05:39] <SirFred> jaza: Did it asked you about some location ?
[05:39] <jaza> thats cmd i used
[05:39] <jaza> no
[05:39] <crackerjack> iGadget_,? I can start X I can start GNOME.. yes Nvidia
[05:39] <jaza> i have the file in my desktop the folder with a lock on it
[05:39] <SirFred> jaza: It asked you nothing?
[05:40] <jaza> no
[05:40] <jaza> well
[05:40] <SirFred> jaza: That's because it's write protected.
[05:40] <jaza> to accept license agreement
[05:40] <SirFred> jaza: That's strange.
[05:40] <SirFred> OK.
[05:40] <SirFred> And then?
[05:40] <jaza> then i accepted it installed
[05:40] <iGadget_> crackerjack: so you do have gfx... it's not just a plain console you're getting?
[05:40] <heliode> website: lol now my screen is all screwed up... let me try that again
[05:40] <SirFred> Didn't it told you where it was to be installed?
[05:40] <altan> how do I install an icon theme in GNOME? I downloaded an icon pack from the GNOME art website, but when I drag it to the Icons view it does nothing\
[05:40] <bl4cks4ils> when i boot up it says "cannot allocate device." what does that mean?
[05:40] <jaza> dunno
[05:40] <jaza> leme reinstall
[05:41] <SirFred> jaza: OK
[05:41] <SirFred> jaza: And now, pay attention to the messages.
[05:41] <SirFred> jaza: Try to see where it's installing java.
[05:41] <SirFred> jaza: Or try this, before:
[05:41] <jaza> k
[05:41] <jaza> ?
[05:41] <SirFred> /usr/local/bin/java -v
[05:41] <SirFred> jaza: What we are trying to know, is where got your java installed.
[05:42] <crackerjack> iGadget_, GFX Than I need to look in xorg.cong or whatever.. gnome starts though (with startx)
[05:42] <jaza> sudo sh /home/jaza/jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin so i type this first?
[05:42] <SirFred> jaza: No.
[05:42] <jaza> ?
[05:42] <jaza> what then?
[05:42] <SirFred> jaza: Let's try to see if it got installed in /usr/local.
[05:42] <SirFred>  /usr/local/bin/java -v
[05:42] <crackerjack> iGadget_, only gdm doesn accept my login
[05:42] <SirFred> Try that, to see if java got installed on /usr/local
[05:42] <lamont> cubex: ubuntu-base Depends: postfix, because postfix is part of base
[05:42] <jaza> zazeem@ubuntu:~ $ /usr/local/bin/java -v
[05:42] <jaza> bash: /usr/local/bin/java: No such file or directory
[05:42] <iGadget_> crackerjack: hmmm... then I guess you have a different problem then
[05:42] <SirFred> jaza: Bad luck, it's not there.
[05:42] <jaza> lol
[05:43] <jaza> only thing i typed in csole was that sudo sh command
[05:43] <Menaherann> hello
[05:43] <SirFred> jaza: YOu still have that console opened?
[05:43] <jaza> am i suposed to do something else?
[05:43] <Menaherann> anybody home?
[05:43] <jaza> ya
[05:43] <iGadget_> crackerjack: gdm doesn't accept your password?
[05:43] <SirFred> jaza: So, try to scroll up and see where it got installed.
[05:43] <jaza> its in my home directory
[05:43] <ewf345> can someone help? my installation hangs on creating device node: /dev/raw1394
[05:43] <jaza> i said that before lol
[05:43] <jaza> the java folder is in there
[05:43] <crackerjack> iGadget_, yes.. I can start gnome or x or whatever, only gdm doesn acceptmy login. Everybody else does
[05:44] <SirFred> jaza: The folder?
[05:44] <jaza>  yes  /home/jaza/jre1.5.0_01
[05:44] <SirFred> jaza: How is it named?
[05:44] <SirFred> jaza: :)
[05:44] <jaza> lol
[05:44] <SirFred> jaza: So, type:
[05:44] <crackerjack> I can pop up a terminla and login...
[05:44] <SirFred> export PATH=$PATH:/home/jaza/jre1.5.0_01/bin
[05:44] <jaza> k
[05:44] <jaza> done
[05:44] <iGadget_> crackerjack: sounds like a passwd sync prob with gdm and the rest of the system... I don't have any experience with that, sorry
[05:44] <SirFred> jaza: Now try: java -v
[05:44] <crackerjack> iGadget_, ok.. thanks
[05:45] <jaza> Unrecognized option: -v
[05:45] <jaza> Could not create the Java virtual machine.
[05:45] <SirFred> jaza: That's fine.
[05:45] <Menaherann> ok.. now is better
[05:45] <SirFred> jaza: Now, you should be able to run your program.
[05:45] <jaza> :D
[05:45] <jaza> danke
[05:45] <SirFred> jaza: But only on that shell.
[05:45] <jaza> thnx
[05:45] <jaza> ?
[05:45] <jaza> what?
[05:45] <SirFred> jaza: I'm going to try to explain it.
[05:45] <heliode> brb
[05:45] <jaza> name of file is silmar.jar
[05:45] <Menaherann> i kinda need some help... will anybody will be willing to provide?
[05:46] <jaza> k
[05:46] <iGadget_> Anyone know how I can tweak DVI settings in linux?
[05:46] <SirFred> jaza: When you type a command on your shell, like 'java'
[05:46] <jaza> wait whats a shell
[05:46] <jaza> csole?
[05:46] <SirFred> jaza: Well. It's the program that runs on the console, for example.
[05:46] <jaza> ok
[05:46] <SirFred> jaza: On linux, it uses to be 'bash'
[05:46] <jaza> i c
[05:47] <SirFred> jaza: Something like the 'command' on windows.
[05:47] <jaza> ja
[05:47] <SirFred> jaza: It's interactive, you type commands and gives you a result for them.
[05:47] <SirFred> jaza: For example, 'java' is a command. When you type that, the shell tries to find it in some locations.
[05:47] <jaza> k
[05:47] <SirFred> jaza: That locations are the ones listed in the PATH variable.
[05:48] <SirFred> So, if you type:
[05:48] <SirFred> echo $PATH
[05:48] <sig> whats the latest stable release? Warty?
[05:48] <SirFred> You will see that it contains some locations on your filesystem, delimited with the ':' character.
[05:49] <SirFred> The programs use to be installed in some standar locations, like /usr/bin, /bin, etc.
[05:49] <jaza> k
[05:49] <Menaherann> ok..
[05:49] <sig> is warty the latest stable?
[05:49] <SirFred> When you install a program in a non standard location (like /home/jaza/jre5.blabla) ,  you need to change your PATH variable, to instruct the shell to look also on that path for your executables. ok?
[05:50] <Menaherann> i need soem help configuring the network on Ubuntu
[05:50] <jaza> o i c
[05:50] <jaza> $ export PATH=$PATH:/home/jaza/jre1.5.0_01/bin thats this?
[05:50] <SirFred> jaza: The problem is that the change is only visible for the shell you're running. When that shell terminates, the PATH variable will reset.
[05:50] <SirFred> jaza: Yes.
[05:50] <jaza> o
[05:50] <SirFred> jaza: You need to put that command in a location to be loaded for every shell you run.
[05:51] <jaza> how
[05:51] <iGadget_> menaherann: what's the prob
[05:51] <SirFred> jaza: For example, in a file called .bash_profile on your home directory.
[05:51] <Menaherann> welll i just installed Ubuntu a couple of days ago...
[05:51] <SirFred> jaza: That file is read by the shell when it starts. So, you can put that command in that file, but be careful where you put it.
[05:52] <SirFred> jaza: Perhaps there're more modifications for that variable on that file. Take a look at it.
[05:52] <jaza> can i just reinstall java to the normal place?
[05:52] <SirFred> jaza: It's not that easy.
[05:52] <Menaherann> apparently works fine nut the detail is that i conect to the internet via USB, and i don,t know how to configure that!
[05:52] <jaza> o
[05:52] <jaza> damn :/
[05:52] <jaza> ima linux nub lol
[05:52] <jaza> learnig though
[05:52] <jaza> <3 ubuntu
[05:52] <sig> I'm confused on Hoary and Warty?
[05:52] <SirFred> jaza: You have another posibility.
[05:52] <sig> which is the latest?
[05:52] <sig> and which is stable?
[05:53] <jaza> ?
[05:53] <SirFred> jaza: You can make a symlink.
[05:53] <jaza> how
[05:53] <SirFred> jaza: It's like a windows shortcut.
[05:53] <jaza> coo
[05:53] <sevi> hello
[05:53] <iGadget_> menaherann: I guess you'll have to find out if your usb (modem?) device is supported by linux first...
[05:53] <SirFred> jaza: Just type:  sudo ln -s /home/jaza/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java /usr/local/bin/java
[05:53] <Xappe> sig: Warty is the stable one
[05:54] <sig> Hoary is the unstable bleeding edge then I take it?
[05:54] <Menaherann> well it is recognized by the device manager, at least
[05:54] <Xappe> yes
[05:54] <SirFred> jaza: That way, you will have a "shortcut" to java in a place where the shell usually looks for binaries.
[05:54] <jaza> k
[05:54] <sevi> does anyone know how to get the new fglrx driver to work on warty?
[05:54] <jaza> sweet
[05:54] <sig> Xappe: thanks dude
[05:54] <SirFred> jaza: But that's a worse option.
[05:54] <iGadget_> xappe: is Warty automatically updated as soon as Hoary is released?
[05:54] <ZorroBytes> Hi Everyone, I have a problem with my soundcard and Hoary
[05:54] <Xappe> sig: np
[05:54] <jaza> lol
[05:54] <ZorroBytes> checked the ubuntu bugzilla, couldn't find anything.
[05:54] <ZorroBytes> Basically getting absolutely no sound.
[05:54] <Xappe> iGadget_, you probably have to upgrade yourself
[05:54] <SirFred> jaza: Because in this way, for example, if you want to use the java compiler, you need to make another symlink.
[05:54] <ZorroBytes> Works under Suse 9.2 + KDE.
[05:55] <crackerjack> Hello anyone?? I CANNOT loginusing GDM. I can popup any terminal and use that to login, but NOT with gdm. I have tryed 3 different installations, I tryed to reinstall GDM, I looked at sever log files..nothing! I can start X or GNOME or whatever but not VIA GDM. Anyone?
[05:55] <SirFred> jaza: Just updating your PATH, the shell will found for itself all the binaries in the new path.
[05:55] <sevi> does anyone know how to get the new fglrx driver to work on warty?
[05:55] <iGadget_> Menaherann: I'm not sure if that means anything... could be the data is simply read from the usb bus
[05:55] <jaza> sudo ln -s /home/jaza/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java /usr/local/bin/java right?
[05:55] <SirFred> jaza: Do you understand?
[05:55] <Grev> can someone using hoary send me their sources.list
[05:55] <SirFred> jaza: Right.
[05:55] <jaza> did that
[05:55] <vinic> Hi all! I have two computers linked to a hub, then hub to a DSL modem. I managed to launch connection from the first computer but I can't figure out how to share that connection for the second computer... anyone can help?
[05:55] <Xappe> iGadget_, by changing all "warty" to "hoary" in your sources.lst
[05:56] <SirFred> jaza: I'm sorry, but you are too newbie and I'm not english speaker.
[05:56] <iGadget_> xappe: that's the next question I wanted to ask, thanks :)
[05:56] <jaza> lol
[05:56] <Menaherann> ok... but in any case, will it count as a LAN, or as Ethernet, ?
[05:56] <SirFred> jaza: Just try to understand what you're doing. OK'
[05:56] <Menaherann> how should i go abuot configuring?
[05:56] <jaza> k
[05:56] <heliode> Hey, what is the difference between the XF86Config and the XF86Config-4 file?
[05:56] <jaza> sudo ln -s /home/jaza/jre1.5.0_01/bin/java /usr/local/bin/java i did this
[05:56] <Grev> i'm looking for the proper multiverse and backport server for hoary
[05:56] <jaza> and looked in bin for java and its no there
[05:56] <Xappe> iGadget_, and then doing a apt-get update, atp-get dist-upgrade
[05:57] <SirFred> Where?
[05:57] <SirFred> Where is "in bin" ?
[05:57] <jaza> o woops
[05:57] <jaza> nvm
[05:57] <iGadget_> menaherann: I'd check google for the device name in combination with linux... see what pops up
[05:57] <jaza> its there
[05:57] <jaza> :)
[05:57] <SirFred> jaza: I don't understand half of your achronims.
[05:57] <jaza> k now hoe do i open silmar.jar lol
[05:57] <Menaherann> allr ight, thanks iGadget!
[05:57] <jaza> how*
[05:58] <iGadget_> xappe: just as with debian... but will hoary always be unstable, or will it eventually become stable?
[05:58] <SirFred> jaza: Just the way you where trying before.
[05:58] <jaza> silmar.jar?
[05:58] <jaza> zazeem@ubuntu:~ $ java silmar.jar
[05:58] <jaza> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: silmar/jar
[05:58] <Xappe> iGadget_, when hoary is released they're starting on Grumpy i think
[05:58] <socketbind> java -jar silmar.jar
[05:58] <socketbind> that's the correct form
[05:58] <jaza> k
[05:58] <gaatmx> greetings from Mexico
[05:58] <Grev> would someone using hoary email me there sources.list, especially of you use multiverse and backports
[05:58] <jaza> omgf it works!!
[05:58] <SirFred> socketbind: Sure? I thought you need to provide the class name.
[05:59] <Grev> dbasinge@speakeasy.net
[05:59] <jaza> thanks guys sirfred
[05:59] <jaza> :)
[05:59] <SirFred> jaza: np
[05:59] <jaza> it worked
[05:59] <jaza> ::)
[05:59] <socketbind> oh yes, but it wants to search the classes in the local path not the jar
[05:59] <jaza> <3
[05:59] <Grev> TIA
[05:59] <SirFred> socketbind: So, how does the JVM know what class to invoque?
[05:59] <socketbind> every jar file has a file name manifest
[06:00] <socketbind> it contains the name of the main class
[06:00] <socketbind> so it knows
[06:00] <SirFred> socketbind: I understand. Thanks.
[06:00] <socketbind> np, anyway i'm losing my faith in java :D
[06:00] <SirFred> socketbind: I'm not a java friend.
[06:00] <chillywilly> python!
[06:00] <socketbind> you mean you don't like java, SirFred? :D
[06:01] <SirFred> socketbind: Well, I've worked too little with java.
[06:01] <socketbind> well, I start to feel so
[06:01] <SirFred> socketbind: A language I've liked is Objective C
[06:01] <socketbind> under ubuntu is very unstable for me
[06:01] <chillywilly> who comes up with the silly code names?
[06:01] <socketbind> good ol' times huh? :D
[06:01] <jaza> hmm now i clicked start new game it says path:/home/zazeem/ ???
[06:01] <SirFred> socketbind: Well, not that old.
[06:01] <jaza> and lists junk
[06:01] <PWM> could someone talk me through how to re-compile my kernel? or give me links to howtos... I've searched a lot but I haven't found anything :(
[06:01] <SirFred> socketbind: All the cocoa layer in OSX is based on Objective C.
[06:01] <socketbind> i only worked in c++ and don't know anything about it's history :D
[06:02] <socketbind> wow nice
[06:02] <jaza> got it nvm :)
[06:02] <SirFred> socketbind: It's a really powerful language, it lacks a garbage collector, perhaps.
[06:02] <socketbind> i love mac os x
[06:02] <chillywilly> apt-get kernel-package ;)
[06:02] <socketbind> well well, now i'm try to learn python
[06:02] <SirFred> socketbind: I also work mainly with C++
[06:02] <chillywilly> apt-get install kernel-package, that is
[06:02] <socketbind> SirFred: me too :D but i'm only a hobbyist/student :D
[06:02] <socketbind> love to code opengl/sdl
[06:02] <jaza> # An unexpected error has been detected by HotSpot Virtual Machine:
[06:02] <jaza> #
[06:02] <jaza> #  SIGBUS (0x7) at pc=0x4095aa62, pid=5750, tid=1181985712
[06:02] <jaza> #
[06:02] <jaza> # Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (1.5.0_01-b08 mixed mode, sharing)
[06:02] <jaza> # Problematic frame:
[06:02] <jaza> # C  [libzip.so+0xfa62] 
[06:02] <jaza> wtf is that :(
[06:03] <SirFred> socketbind: OpenGL is a fantastic API
[06:03] <SirFred> socketbind: How elegant.
[06:03] <hikaru79> jaza, ask in #java
[06:03] <socketbind> SirFred: yeah, i love it too :D
[06:03] <jaza> k
[06:03] <PWM> chillywilly, ok... I tried to install a kernel via synaptic, but I think it just installed some headers... I'm a newbie :|
[06:03] <Anubis> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `alsa.pc'
[06:03] <chillywilly> PWM: you want a binary?
[06:03] <Grev> what are the backport servers for hoary?
[06:03] <SirFred> socketbind: First time I saw it, I said: this is the way to do it. All that transformation matrixes.
[06:03] <socketbind> SirFred: funny I wanted to start with DX but it is an ugly piece of....
[06:03] <jaza> ythere isnt a chnnl called #java
[06:03] <Anubis> `alsa.pc' I can't find this fie
[06:03] <iGadget_> okay... just kicking my problem up again:
[06:03] <iGadget_> Anyone got some experience with DVI in linux?
[06:03] <socketbind> SirFred: OGL is the way to go :D
[06:04] <SirFred> socketbind: Never saw it, but I was told about its uglyness.
[06:04] <unperson> Anyone here have an Intel i810 or i815 video chipset working with Ubuntu?  Mine is mostly working, but I'm curious to see someone else's XF86Config.
[06:04] <socketbind> yeah especially that COM object model
[06:04] <PWM> chillywilly, I just want a kernel that support some power management and that can spin down my harddrives...
[06:04] <tritium> Grev, you don't need backports with Hoary.  It's in active development.
[06:04] <chillywilly> I had written a small debian kernel howto at one time in my life
[06:04] <SoB> ok, nautilus won't let me burn DVDs, it just sits at the 'insert rewritable/blank media' any ideas?
[06:04] <socketbind> well the entire stuff is pure evil
[06:04] <Menaherann> who can recomend anetwork adapter supported by BOTH windows and Linux?
[06:04] <SirFred> socketbind: :)
[06:04] <socketbind> now I only do multiplatform development
[06:04] <socketbind> :D
[06:04] <iGadget_> menaherann: intel pro/100
[06:04] <SirFred> socketbind: That's fine
[06:04] <socketbind> my stuff should be avaible for everyone :D
[06:05] <unperson> Menaherann, I've had a gigabit ethernet NIC that works fine with both.
[06:05] <iGadget_> menaherann: or the pro/1000 if you need it ;)
[06:05] <unperson> Menaherann, But I think most major brands ought to do ok, right?
[06:05] <Grev> does ftp://ftp.nerim.net repos work under hoary?
[06:05] <socketbind> well for some strange reason I "lost" su-to-root in /usr/sbin
[06:05] <chillywilly> oops, wrong window...I already announces that here ;)
[06:05] <socketbind> how can I restore it?
[06:05] <chillywilly> announced
[06:05] <titoo> just upgraded to hoary, the fonts are not nice anymore, any idea?
[06:06] <tritium> Grev, you can use Marillat repos with Hoary, yes.
[06:06] <socketbind> was it a symlink?
[06:06] <Grev> tritium, thanks
[06:06] <tritium> yep
[06:06] <jaza> socketbind, how do i uninstall java?
[06:06] <chillywilly> anyone here ever been ice fishing?
[06:06] <socketbind> rm -rf /usr/java/<java dir>
[06:06] <socketbind> for instance jre1.4.2
[06:07] <socketbind> and remove the symlink in you browser's plugin dir
[06:07] <tritium> that's if you didn't build a java .deb package
[06:07] <klaym> chillywilly: yea, it's boring
[06:07] <chillywilly> no way dude
[06:07] <socketbind> usually situated in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[06:07] <jaza> its in /zhome/zazeem/
[06:07] <jaza> home*
[06:07] <socketbind> oh yes i almost forgot
[06:07] <socketbind> how did you installed it?
[06:07] <chillywilly> fishing is more about just getting outdoors and relaxing ;)
[06:07] <jaza> umm
[06:07] <socketbind> deb package, self extracting archive from sun ? (not rpm)
[06:08] <jaza> like this
[06:08] <eBopBob> hey - is there any detailed guide on how to partition a hard drive using ubuntus installer? - i'd like to ideally partition my 250gb hdd into 7 parts
[06:08] <jaza> sudo sh /home/zazeem/jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin
[06:08] <arabflak> Bugger.
[06:08] <socketbind> aham
[06:08] <jaza> i dloaded it and thern typed this in csole
[06:08] <jaza> sudo sh /home/zazeem/jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin
[06:08] <jaza> lol
[06:08] <socketbind> then you have it in your home
[06:08] <jaza> ya
[06:08] <socketbind> just remove the dir
[06:08] <jaza> how do i uninsatall?
[06:08] <arabflak> I can't get my microphone to work... :S I'm so sad, I want to skype... need microphone.
[06:08] <socketbind> it does not make any symlink afaik
[06:08] <jaza> ?
[06:08] <SirFred> jaza: rm -rf /home/jaza/jre1.5.0_01
[06:08] <socketbind> no system-wide stuff
[06:09] <eBopBob> any1?
[06:09] <socketbind> i have the same version but the jdk, it's very unstable :(
[06:09] <SirFred> jaza: Well, perhaps jaza, perhaps zazeem, don't know
[06:09] <socketbind> well maybe only for me...
[06:09] <SirFred> socketbind: I've read that java 5 was a great speed improve
[06:09] <socketbind> oh yes, i love the improvement :D
[06:09] <SirFred> I'd say: a necesary speed improvement
[06:10] <SoB> wah, why can't I burn :-(
[06:10] <jaza> k now how do i install it to usr/local/ wtvr
[06:10] <iGadget_> ebopbop: do you have any existing data on the drive which needs to be saved?
[06:10] <arabflak> I've tried alsamixer and it said that it's turned off. But how do I enable it?
[06:10] <tritium> SoB, maybe you're not flammable
[06:10] <socketbind> yeah it was EXTREMELY necessary
[06:10] <arabflak> (microphone)
[06:10] <SirFred> SoB: What's the problem.
[06:10] <wk1989> guys
[06:10] <SoB> I was wondering when the first smart-a$$ comment would crop up
[06:10] <jaza> how do i install it to the right directory
[06:10] <SirFred> SoB: ANy error message ?
[06:10] <wk1989> is skype working for u rite now?
[06:10] <socketbind> one of things what most people know about java is it's inhuman speed... :D
[06:10] <wasabi> Does the Ubuntu initrd properly initialize and scan EVMS?
[06:11] <tritium> SoB, what are you using to burn?
[06:11] <SoB> SirFred, trying to use nautilus' in-built burning to burn an ISO to DVD, just sits at the 'insert media' screen and won't do anything...no error message
[06:11] <jaza> socketbind, how do i install it to the right directory???
[06:11] <tritium> nautilus?  cdrecord?
[06:11] <SirFred> This is like a question storm.
[06:11] <arabflak> Skype is not working for me right now, because my microphone isn't working.
[06:11] <socketbind> well jaza, the preferred dir is /usr/java
[06:11] <jaza> arab
[06:11] <gaatmx> Anyone have tried the NVIDIA installer on Ubuntu? I mean the one that you d/l from nvidia.com not the one you could get from synaptic....
[06:11] <SirFred> SoB: And you have a CD inserted?
[06:11] <blah09> skype doesnt work for me at all, when i try to dial out the thing just hangs
[06:11] <jaza> ya socket but how do i install it to that directory?
[06:11] <wk1989> Well, the program works but I can't connect to anyone
[06:11] <jaza> cmd
[06:11] <jaza> ?
[06:11] <ArCHoNKoG> in hoary what happen with gdesklets ?
[06:11] <SoB> SirFred, DVD, yes...and it is blank ;)
[06:11] <tritium> gaatmx, why not use ubuntu-supplied nvidia?
[06:11] <socketbind> cd /usr/java
[06:11] <wk1989> it was working yesterday
[06:11] <wk1989> so i'm not the  only one?
[06:11] <SirFred> SoB: Don't know, but there was a way to debug it.
[06:11] <socketbind> cp ~/jre<whateve> .
[06:11] <blah09> lemme try in xp
[06:11] <socketbind> ./jre<whatever>
[06:12] <socketbind> done
[06:12] <jaza> zazeem@ubuntu:~ $ cd /usr/java bash: cd: /usr/java: No such file or directory
[06:12] <socketbind> then make it
[06:12] <arabflak> Yeah, because dialing out requires money :P
[06:12] <socketbind> mkdir /usr/java
[06:12] <jaza> how
[06:12] <SoB> growisofs is working, but not properly...it only burned at 0.7x on a 2x drive
[06:12] <gaatmx> tritium, as far as I could read in the forums, they do not work w/  the new kernel. AmI right?
[06:12] <SoB> and I know the disks are 2x because just yesterday I burned in windows on this computer and it worked fine
[06:12] <SirFred> SoB: You need to change a gconf key, to activate the debug mode.
[06:12] <tritium> gaatmx, no
[06:12] <socketbind> the only thing after you did this is to make a symlink to the jre mozilla plugin in your browser plugin dir
[06:12] <SoB> SirFred, I'll look around, thanks for the help
[06:12] <tritium> gaatmx, they work fine
[06:12] <jaza> cp ~/jre<whateve>???
[06:12] <SirFred> SoB: np
[06:13] <socketbind> cp ~/jre and press tab jaza
[06:13] <socketbind> it will complete the filename
[06:13] <jaza> coo
[06:13] <socketbind> the self-extracting archive is still in your home?
[06:13] <heliode> woohoo :D in case anyone's wondering: i got the screen resolution thing working! thanks Website!
[06:13] <SoB> SirFred, would the debug just go to stderr?
[06:13] <jaza> its a bin file
[06:13] <socketbind> but is it still in your home?
[06:13] <jaza> ya
[06:13] <socketbind> superb :D
[06:13] <jaza> lol
[06:13] <SirFred> SoB: You need to fire a different nautilus after it, I remember.
[06:13] <socketbind> did it copied there?
[06:13] <jaza> zazeem@ubuntu:/usr/java $ cp ~/jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin
[06:14] <jaza> cp: missing destination file
[06:14] <jaza> Try `cp --help' for more information.
[06:14] <gaatmx> tritium, let me find that quote from the forums.....
[06:14] <socketbind> because you didn't specified it jaza :D
[06:14] <jaza> what?
[06:14] <socketbind> cp ~/jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin /usr/java
[06:14] <SoB> SirFred, ok, will do
[06:14] <socketbind> how should it know to where copy it? :D
[06:14] <bert_> hi!
[06:14] <SirFred> SoB: With an option to avoid nautilus to draw the desktop.
[06:14] <jaza> zazeem@ubuntu:/usr/java $ cp ~/jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin /usr/java
[06:14] <jaza> cp: cannot create regular file `/usr/java/jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin': Permission denied
[06:14] <socketbind> after it has finishes it should be there
[06:14] <socketbind> oh i forgot
[06:15] <jaza> lol
[06:15] <socketbind> you must do it as root!
[06:15] <jaza> sudo?
[06:15] <socketbind> yes
[06:15] <Neo_654> jaza try sudo
[06:15] <jaza> k
[06:15] <jaza> k now it worked i think
[06:15] <SirFred> SoB: After enabling that nautilus-cd-burner key, you should have that debug.
[06:15] <jaza> didnt get an error
[06:15] <eBopBob> hey - Does anyone know of a detailed how-to guide (in re: partitioning) for the Ubuntu Installer?
[06:15] <jaza> now how to install?
[06:15] <bert_> _slice_,  just want you to know because you've helped me a lot: my wlan works again, because i had a totally misconfigured /etc/network/interfaces file! I've used google & knoppix to recreate it, and that worked for me! Thanks for your help earlier on the day
[06:15] <socketbind> jaza: cd /usr/java
[06:15] <socketbind> sudo ./jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin
[06:16] <jaza> sudo: ./jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin: command not found
[06:16] <SoB> SirFred, I enabled the debug key and restarted all nautilus but am unsure what you mean about the 'avoid to draw the desktop'
[06:16] <jaza> ;lol
[06:16] <eBopBob> No one? Anyone?
[06:16] <SirFred> SoB: --no-desktop
[06:16] <socketbind> jaza: it should display a bunch of files being extracted :D
[06:16] <SoB> oic ;)
[06:16] <SirFred> SoB: You already have a nautilus started, you don't want the new one to draw the desktop, the icons.
[06:16] <SirFred> SoB: So, from a gnome-terminal, type nautilus --no-desktop
[06:16] <jaza> socket
[06:16] <jaza> sudo: ./jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin: command not found
[06:16] <socketbind> oh geez
[06:16] <SoB> SirFred, right, gotcha
[06:16] <jaza> lol
[06:17] <socketbind> sudo su then, you will get a root prompt :D
[06:17] <socketbind> sudo su
[06:17] <socketbind> cd /usr/java
[06:17] <SirFred> SoB: You will get a new file navigator, I suppose, go to the burner location using that window
[06:17] <tritium> sudo -s -H
[06:17] <socketbind> ./jre<anything>
[06:17] <socketbind> anything means tab ehm :D
[06:17] <SirFred> SoB: And I suppose you will have more information on the terminal, this way
[06:18] <jaza> im root
[06:18] <socketbind> kewl :D
[06:18] <jaza> still get that error
[06:18] <socketbind> cd /usr/java
[06:18] <socketbind> ls -la
[06:18] <jaza> sudo: ./jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin: command not found
[06:18] <socketbind> did you copied it there properly? :D
[06:18] <jaza> ?
[06:18] <SirFred> jaza sudo: ?
[06:18] <socketbind> cd /usr/java
[06:18] <jaza> no need for sudo?
[06:18] <SirFred> jaza: You're typing "sudo: blablabla" or "sudo blablabla"
[06:18] <socketbind> you need sudo ! :D
[06:19] <jaza> sudo ...
[06:19] <SirFred> I mean that you wrote "sudo: ./jre....."
[06:19] <socketbind> oh geez :D
[06:19] <Xappe> hehe, this chat is quite entertaining to watch :)
[06:19] <SirFred> Xappe: :)
[06:19] <jaza> ?
[06:19] <tritium> jaza, is the .bin executable?  chmod +x file.bin if it's not
[06:19] <jaza> whats the cmd
[06:19] <SirFred> jaza: sudo
[06:19] <socketbind> oh i forgot that too :D
[06:19] <SirFred> jaza: First, where are you?
[06:19] <SirFred> jaza: Type pwd
[06:19] <socketbind> sudo chmod +x jre<tab>
[06:19] <jaza> im as root
[06:19] <jaza> root@ubuntu:/usr/java #
[06:20] <jaza> thats me
[06:20] <SoB> SirFred, I am not getting any additional debug info anywhere =/
[06:20] <SirFred> jaza: Now, what is there where you are ?
[06:20] <socketbind> i told him to cd to /usr/java :D
[06:20] <SirFred> Type ls
[06:20] <SirFred> SoB: Humm.
[06:20] <socketbind> he's in java he told before :D
 root@ubuntu:/usr/java #
[06:20] <SirFred> SoB: To say you the truth, I didn't tried it myself, I read it somewere.
[06:20] <socketbind> i always forget something
[06:20] <SirFred> SoB: I'm going to try myself, ok?
[06:20] <SoB> SirFred, ok, np, you tried anyway ;)
[06:20] <socketbind> sudo chmod +x jre<tab>
[06:20] <jaza> root@ubuntu:/usr/java # sudo chmod +x jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin
[06:20] <jaza> root@ubuntu:/usr/java #
[06:20] <socketbind> cool jaza
[06:20] <socketbind> now
[06:20] <jaza> now what
[06:20] <SirFred> SoB: I have to burn a cd now. Give me a minute.
[06:20] <socketbind> sudo ./jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin
[06:20] <SoB> SirFred, ok
[06:21] <jaza> !!!
[06:21] <socketbind> sudo ./jre<press tab>
[06:21] <jaza> sweet
[06:21] <socketbind> great :D
[06:21] <jaza> thnx :D
[06:21] <socketbind> that's it :D
[06:21] <jaza> :D
[06:21] <tritium> he doesn't need sudo once he's done "sudo -s -H"
[06:21] <socketbind> jaza, what browser do you use?
[06:21] <jaza> mozilla
[06:21] <socketbind> simple, plain mozilla or firefox?
[06:21] <jaza> fire
[06:21] <socketbind> cd /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[06:22] <socketbind> you should make a symlink there for the java plugin
[06:22] <jaza> root@ubuntu:/usr/java # cd /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[06:22] <jaza> bash: cd: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins: No such file or directory
[06:22] <jaza> lol;
[06:22] <socketbind> sorry: cd /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/
[06:22] <SirFred> I think it is /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[06:22] <socketbind> there is it
[06:22] <socketbind> :D
[06:22] <SirFred> Right
[06:22] <socketbind> oh and yes
[06:22] <jaza> root@ubuntu:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox #
[06:22] <jaza> now what
[06:22] <socketbind> geez dude i always forget something!
[06:22] <socketbind> cd plugins
[06:22] <Xappe> hoho
[06:23] <jaza> root@ubuntu:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins #
[06:23] <jaza> now what lol
[06:23] <socketbind> kewl
[06:23] <SirFred> SoB: /apps/nautilus-cd-burner/debug, that is the key you enabled?
[06:23] <socketbind> ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[06:23] <jaza> :D
[06:23] <jaza> k whatd that do??
[06:23] <socketbind> ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[06:23] <SoB> SirFred, yup
[06:23] <jaza> root@ubuntu:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins # ln -s /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[06:23] <jaza> ln: `./libjavaplugin_oji.so': File exists
[06:23] <socketbind> heh
[06:23] <socketbind> ls -la then
[06:23] <socketbind> and see where it points
[06:24] <jaza> ??
[06:24] <socketbind> i have the jdk version and it didn't made the link
[06:24] <socketbind> ls -la
[06:24] <jaza> did that
[06:24] <socketbind> well ls -l
[06:24] <jaza> it lists
[06:24] <socketbind> and paste there the output
[06:24] <jaza> ?
[06:24] <socketbind> or pm me
[06:24] <socketbind> if it isn't too much
[06:24] <heliode> A quick firefox tip: go to about:config, filter for 'turbo' and enable 'browser.turbo.enabled'! try it, you'll like it!
[06:25] <SirFred> SoB: This is not starting a different process.
[06:25] <SirFred> SoB: Perhaps I'm missing something
[06:25] <jcoxon77> hey everyone
[06:26] <Gwildor> hi
[06:26] <SoB> I'm going to try a new login
[06:27] <SirFred> heliode: I'm not feeling anything different.
[06:27] <SirFred> heliode: What is supposed to do?
[06:27] <SoB> well that didn't work either
[06:27] <heliode> Hey, what u guys think about this: the other day i bought a PCMCIA WLAN card, and it said on the box "linux support included!" so i was like "hell yeah!" but the drivers were only for kernel 2.4 >_<... suppose they 'forgot' to mention that on the box
[06:28] <SirFred> SoB: I'm searching for the place i read it.
[06:28] <SirFred> SoB: Perhaps some bug on the ubuntu bugzilla.
[06:29] <SoB> a side question, does anyone know how I can get GAIM to alert me when people have written me messages when the window doesn't have focus...WITHOUT sound?
[06:29] <SoB> I can't find any way anywhere to enable a flash window or something similar
[06:30] <SirFred> Perhaps there is something useful in the debug log. To get it:
[06:30] <SirFred> - unset /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop in gconf-editor
[06:30] <SirFred> - set /apps/nautilus-cd-burner/debug in gconf-editor
[06:30] <SirFred> - run nautilus from a gt -> you'll get the log here
[06:30] <SirFred> - try to write the CD
[06:30] <SirFred> SoB: I've found it.
[06:30] <SoB> SirFred, excellent
[06:30] <metaliu> hi ubuntu guys
[06:30] <SirFred> SoB: Try that.
[06:30] <SoB> SirFred, trying now
[06:31] <SoB> do these gconf editor changes take effect immediately?
[06:31] <SirFred> SoB: Yes.
[06:31] <SirFred> SoB: In gnome everything should take effect immediatly
[06:31] <SoB> SirFred, ok, the nautilus window put out debug as expected, still no error messages about the burning
[06:32] <SirFred> SoB: Are you using hoary?
[06:32] <SoB> what is that
[06:32] <SirFred> SoB: What ubuntu version?
[06:32] <SoB> warty
[06:32] <metaliu> does anyone know if Ubuntu will work with my Buffalo 802.11g PCI card?
[06:33] <SirFred> SoB: Don't know how to help you
[06:33] <SirFred> SoB: Sorry
[06:33] <SirFred> SoB: Perhaps your device is locked by another process. Don't know
[06:33] <SoB> SirFred, good point, but thanks for your help anyway
[06:33] <SirFred> SoB: :)
[06:34] <gaatmx> thnx tritium
[06:34] <gaatmx> it works
[06:34] <gaatmx> me bad
[06:34] <SirFred> I expect a better cd burner app for gnome, anyway. This is too simple.
[06:34] <tritium> gaatmx, good deal
[06:35] <SirFred> I've got a question about hdparm.
[06:35] <tritium> gaatmx, if issues come up, let me know
[06:35] <SirFred> I don't know why, but hoary don't activate DMA on my CDRW device.
[06:35] <SirFred> So, I tried to make it with hdparm.
[06:35] <metaliu> im thinking of installing Ubuntu.  does anyone know if it will find my wireless pci card?
[06:35] <tritium> SirFred, in the init scripts
[06:35] <gaatmx> I have another doubt: How do I add applications to the Gnome menu??
[06:35] <tritium> ?
[06:35] <SirFred> On the boot process it says that /dev/hdc is an unknown device.
[06:36] <SirFred> But it knows /dev/hda.
[06:36] <tritium> SirFred, same thing happens for me.
[06:36] <SirFred> After the boot process, I'm able to do it by hand: hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[06:36] <Neo_654> metaliu: have you tried to run the liveCd?  I would try that first and see if it will work.
[06:36] <tritium> /dev/hdb (in my case) doesn't exist yet at the time /etc/init.d/hdparm is run
[06:37] <SirFred> I think that has something to do with the ide-cd module, that is loaded later, when hotplug starts.
[06:37] <metaliu> Neo_654: I actually tried booting with the liveCD but it wouldnt boot on my old Gateway computer
[06:37] <heliode> hey, a quick gnome question: how to I add icons like links to my home folder and to the devices to my desktop?
[06:37] <SirFred> tritium: Has you fixed it in some way?
[06:37] <tritium> SirFred, no, I rarely use my cdrw.  When I do, I just re-run /etc/init.d/hdparm start.
[06:38] <SirFred> tritium: Yes, that's what I do.
[06:38] <metaliu> Neo_654: I think it's a problem finding the hard drive.  I tried with a different distro and had to use the 'nodma' parameter for it to boot
[06:38] <SirFred> tritium: But if I forget it, it doesn't burn.
[06:39] <tritium> SoB, did you look into that?  Maybe you should try enable dma on your cdrw?
[06:39] <SirFred> tritium: Well, the symptoms are not the same.
[06:39] <tritium> you mean with SoB?
[06:39] <SirFred> tritium: Yes.
[06:39] <tritium> True, but it could explain why he can't burn, perhaps.
[06:40] <SirFred> tritium: What I get is an error dialog saying that my burner is not enable to achieve that speed, or something so
[06:40] <SirFred> tritium: Could be.
[06:40] <tritium> I see.
[06:40] <tritium> I just haven't taken the time to fix it.  I've thought about changing the order of my init scripts, but I don't care to do that right now.
[06:40] <Anubis> `alsa.pc' I can't find this file
[06:43] <Neo_654> metaliu: so far I'm not finding anything where people have posted havnig a problem with it.
[06:43] <heliode> Does anyone know which repository has MC (midnight Commander) ?
[06:44] <metaliu> Neo_654: ok, then i just need to get it to boot.  is there anything else i should try besides the 'nodma' flag when booting?  and as a side note, the distro i got to boot was Beatrix
[06:44] <Neo_654> metalie: what version is it?
[06:44] <metaliu> Neo_654: I was using warty warthog
[06:45] <Neo_654> Metalie: what version Buffalo card.
[06:45] <metaliu> Neo_654: WLI2-PCI-G54
[06:45] <iGadget_> anyone got some experience with the proprietary ati drivers on ubuntu?
[06:46] <iGadget_> installing them, I mean
[06:46] <iGadget_> I've converted the .rpm with alien to a .deb... but will that work?
[06:46] <iGadget_> I don't really feel like messing up my ubuntu installation...
[06:47] <tritium> iGadget_, fglrx drivers are in ubuntu.
[06:48] <iGadget_> tritium: okay... so how do I configure them? I need more DVI options...
[06:49] <tritium> iGadget_, don't know.  I have nVidia.
[06:49] <tritium> But I wouldn't be using .rpms when .debs already exists.  Just my opinion.
[06:49] <ZorroBytes> question, trying to build new alsa drivers, but not finding asm/*.c
[06:50] <ZorroBytes> when building
[06:50] <iGadget_> tritium: okay... but I guess these fglrx are not the latest?
[06:50] <ZorroBytes> What do I need to install to allow for source builds?
[06:51] <tritium> iGadget_, I'm not really that familiar with them.
[06:51] <iGadget_> tritium: I understand... thanks anyway :)
[06:52] <tritium> yeah, sorry.
[06:53] <Quest-Master> Anybody using the latest XFCE here?
[06:53] <david_> hello
[06:53] <tritium> iGadget_, apt-cache search fglrx to find the packages, and then apt-cache policy <packagename> to see the version
[06:54] <iGadget_> tritium: don't you just love synaptic? :D
[06:54] <tritium> iGadget_, nah, I stick with apt on the command line
[06:54] <tritium> :)
[06:55] <iGadget_> tritium: I only do that when I really need to ;)
[06:55] <tritium> I see.
[06:56] <heliode> hey, how do i change the permissions on a file so that anyone may do anything with it?
[06:56] <tritium> heliode, chmod
[06:56] <SoB> chmod 777 filename
[06:57] <heliode> great, thanks :D
[06:57] <iGadget_> darn... the ubuntu version is _very_ outdated
[06:57] <bert_> hi!
[06:57] <tritium> iGadget_, oh...
[06:57] <iGadget_> 2.6.8.1.3-5 @ ubuntu
[06:57] <tritium> iGadget_, you're using Hoary?
[06:57] <bert_> can someone help me, i try to mount a windows share
[06:57] <iGadget_> 4-3-0_8.8.25-2 @ ATI
[06:58] <bert_> when i do:
[06:58] <iGadget_> tritium: no, the original
[06:58] <bert_> mount -t smbfs -o username=bert,pwd=mypwd //host/share /mnt/folder/
[06:58] <tritium> 8.8.25 in Hoary, if I read the package versions right
[06:58] <bert_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //fried/Muziek,
[06:58] <bert_>        or too many mounted file systems
[06:59] <iGadget_> tritium: okay... is hoary usable for normal desktop use? :s
[06:59] <iGadget_> as in... how beta is it? :)
[06:59] <tritium> iGadget_, in my opinion, it's very usable
[06:59] <iGadget_> so... you'd risk the apt-get dist upgrade if you were me? :)
[07:00] <tritium> iGadget_, depends on your comfort level
[07:00] <snowblink> bert_: sudo apt-get install smbfs
[07:00] <bert_> thanks
[07:00] <iGadget_> tritium: well... comfort is a subjective matter ;)
[07:00] <tritium> iGadget_, if you upgrade, pay close attention to what it's going to remove, if anything
[07:01] <bert_> snowblink, thanks m8
[07:01] <snowblink> bert_: np
[07:01] <iGadget_> as in... I won't be able to reinstall the stuff it'll remove?
[07:01] <tritium> no, not like that
[07:02] <iGadget_> tritium: well... no big problem then. If I miss anything after the upgrade, I'll just reinstall it :)
[07:03] <tritium> iGadget_, right.
[07:03] <iGadget_> but before I dot that, I'll just try the old fglrx package... If that doesn't solve my problem, I'll upgrade to hoary
[07:04] <tritium> sounds good
[07:05] <pepsi> how can i get ubuntu to recognize my cdrom drive again?
[07:05] <iGadget_> drivers installed... Let's see what an X-restart does :D
[07:06] <tritium> cool
[07:06] <iGadget_> If I don't return here within 5 mins... my PC will probably have died ;)
[07:06] <iGadget_> thanks & brb
[07:06] <tritium> ok
[07:07] <heliode> u think we'll see more of him? :P
[07:07] <tritium> we'll find out
[07:07] <goldfish> lol
[07:09] <heliode> hey guys, i gtg, thanks for your help!
[07:11] <dalsan> I am looking for help in restoring my desktop to the default
[07:11] <dalsan> I got rid of the top toolbar and can not get it back
[07:12] <mariano> hi people
[07:12] <dalsan> hello
[07:12] <mariano> did anyone experienced problems using synaptic lately? (hoary)
[07:12] <mariano> it doesn't seem to install anything :S
[07:13] <dalsan> I installed this morning, but from universe
[07:13] <mariano> it does uninstall software but it doesn't install properly things
[07:14] <dalsan> do you know how to restore the desktop to default?
[07:14] <cuatro> hi guyz, why debian sid with gnome 2.8 runs speedier than ubuntu warty wih compiled kernel?
[07:14] <dalsan> I lost my top bar
[07:14] <iGadget_> well... that part worked
[07:14] <cuatro> I wanna use ubuntu, but it is a little slow :/
[07:14] <R0bNyc> why I dont have no bootsplash or grub splash ?
[07:14] <iGadget_> allthough the fglrx driver wasn't loaded afaik
[07:14] <iGadget_> okay... what's the most elegant way to reconfigure X on Ubuntu?
[07:14] <mariano> Ubuntu loads much faster with hoary, CUATRO
[07:15] <Dreamer3_> cuatro: really, interesting
[07:15] <tritium> iGadget_, dpkg-reconfigure your xserver
[07:15] <iGadget_> tritium: okay... and I should exit X before doing that, right?
[07:15] <cuatro> Dreamer3_ it's true :/
[07:15] <tritium> iGadget_, don't have to, but can't hurt.
[07:16] <cuatro> mariano I'm gonna download de array4 :)
[07:16] <tritium> iGadget_, have you changed your XF86Config-4 at all?
[07:16] <mariano> cuatro, when I upgraded to Hoary I had a much better experience (when things worked, of course ;))
[07:16] <iGadget_> tritium: no, I thought this would be done automagically as with the nvidia driver package
[07:17] <cuatro> oh mariano thanks :)
[07:17] <mariano> however, remember, it's still in development and somethings might not work correctly
[07:17] <Xappe> iGadget_, there is a quite good guide at the ubuntu forums...
[07:17] <mariano> which is the reason why I'm here now!
[07:17] <tritium> iGadget_, good.  The dpkg-reconfigure should work just fine, then.
[07:17] <cuatro> but, really, I don't know why ubuntu runs so slow, comparing with debian :/
[07:17] <iGadget_> xappe: is there? I only found the nvidia howto on ubuntuguide.org
[07:17] <cuatro> I have a p3 677 mhz, 256 ram
[07:17] <cuatro> :/
[07:17] <mariano> Cuatro, for me it's the opposite
[07:17] <jesuel> eek
[07:18] <Xappe> iGadget_, w8 i'll fetch the url for you
[07:18] <cuatro> jeje :)
[07:18] <mariano> it runs much faster than the Debian version I used to have
[07:18] <jesuel> almost as slow as my linux box heh
[07:18] <jesuel> via c3 800 w/ 256 ram
[07:18] <jesuel> ;p
[07:18] <Dreamer3_> mariano: i can expect warty to be faster than sarge though, or not?
[07:18] <cuatro> mariano curious :/
[07:18] <Xappe> iGadget_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3567
[07:18] <cuatro> mmm I think sarge is much faster than warty
[07:18] <cuatro> :)
[07:19] <mariano> Dreamer3, it theory yes, I guess :D
[07:19] <iGadget_> xappe: thanks
[07:19] <mariano> but again, Ubuntu is the first distro I'm really looking at
[07:19] <kalandor> hi everybody, could anybody help, where to put module options for bttv? I mean which file?
[07:20] <cuatro> mariano the first distro that I've used was ubuntu, but now I think debian is much faster than ubuntu :/ I don't know why, I killed processes of init.. but it's slow :(
[07:21] <cuatro> I meant, after I used debian.. :)
[07:21] <cuatro> now I'm downloading hoary (by your recmmendation)
[07:21] <mariano> Cuatro, for me let's say I lost my linux verginity with Ubuntu, with Debian it was just petting :)
[07:21] <Treyck> hi all
[07:21] <iGadget_> well... this seems to be a fairy large operation... let's first eat and then look further :)
[07:21] <cuatro> mariano jeje
[07:22] <mariano> CUATRO, again, it's not that I recommend you to install Hoary, it's just my experience
[07:23] <mariano> CUATRO, however, it is very exciting to see how fast things are getting developped when you have hoary installed
[07:23] <jesuel> lol
[07:23] <jesuel> thats very funny  mariano
[07:23] <Quest-Master> Last time I tried to upgrade to Hoary, I had no X
[07:23] <Dreamer3_> mariano: you used warty before?
[07:23] <jesuel> i feel that way about prior distro's. like redhat and whatnot
[07:23] <no0tic> Quest-Master: me too, but then I resolved
[07:24] <cuatro> mariano jeje thanks :)
[07:24] <Quest-Master> no0tic: What'd you do?
[07:24] <no0tic> Quest-Master: installed what was missing
[07:24] <mariano> I think the best thing to do is to have your files and things very well packaged so you don't miss much time if you need to reinstall your OS
[07:24] <Quest-Master> no0tic: Which was xserver-xorg, I am guessing?
[07:24] <mariano> Dreamer, yes, I had Warty since it was beta
[07:24] <Quest-Master> Or xorg-xserver?
[07:25] <mariano> Dreamer, I did
[07:25] <jesuel> not me
[07:25] <no0tic> Quest-Master: no, they were fonts
[07:25] <mariano> but I almost didn't use Debian
[07:25] <Dreamer3_> mariano: via apt?
[07:25] <Quest-Master> no0tic: Interesting. :\
[07:25] <jesuel> i went from redhat 8.something to ubuntu
[07:25] <no0tic> Quest-Master: X & gdm started but failed
[07:25] <Xappe> hmm, where do i find my x server logfile?
[07:25] <mariano> Dreamer, no, via format c:
[07:25] <mariano> :D
[07:25] <no0tic> Quest-Master: beacouse of the lacking of those fonts
[07:25] <Dreamer3_> mariano: ah
[07:26] <Dreamer3_> mariano: i'm wondering how hard it would be to do it with apt
[07:26] <Quest-Master> I see.
[07:26] <djjason> anyone here familiar with acpi and apm
[07:26] <Quest-Master> So, does anyone think XFCE offers a lot over GNOME here?
[07:26] <no0tic> hoary problem: booting with battery it doesn't recognize it and doesn't switch to powersave mode.
[07:26] <mariano> Dreamer, I'd say it takes more time than reformat it all
[07:26] <Quest-Master> I'm considering installing it
[07:27] <no0tic> Xappe: /var/log/XFree86.0.log or Xorg.0.log
[07:27] <mariano> To be honest, I like to reformat it all once a month
[07:27] <mariano> in 2 hours I can reinstall everything and recover all my stuff, so I don't think about it twice if neede
[07:27] <mariano> needed
[07:29] <knapjack> I was messing around with GNU/Hurd the other weekend and it has this concept of a non-authenticated user, and it made me start to think about what it would take to make tsclient available from gdm.
[07:29] <Xappe> no0tic, thx
[07:29] <djjason> can anyone help with acpi and/or apm
[07:29] <knapjack> That way you could walk up to a workstation and use rdesktop or fire up a Citrix session and not necessarily have a local workstation account.
[07:30] <knapjack> (or VNC)
[07:30] <cuatro> I have 1 mb adsl, and I'm downloading hoary with a limit of 15 kbps :( I tried torrent but there's only 5 seeds :(
[07:30] <knapjack> I was thinking about Xnest, maybe, and having some user whose default session is just metacity and tsclient.
[07:30] <mariano> cuatro, you look Spaniard by your description of connection ;)
[07:31] <cuatro> mariano :P
[07:31] <mariano> Aqu Barcelona ;)
[07:32] <cuatro> jejeje
[07:32] <cuatro> aca chilito :P
[07:32] <cuatro> chile ;)
[07:32] <no0tic> mariano: I will be in Barelona next month
[07:32] <no0tic> cuatro: I would like to be in Chile right now ;)
[07:32] <mariano> no0tic, well, try to survive to alcohol!
[07:33] <cuatro> no0tic
[07:33] <cuatro> !!!
[07:33] <cuatro> :P
[07:33] <mariano> dammit! I'm experiencing a lot of hits detected by firestarter...
[07:33] <no0tic> mariano: I will stay by a friend there in Erasmus
[07:33] <cuatro> so good grils in reaca, via del mar, pucon :D
[07:33] <no0tic> mariano: it's normal
[07:33] <cuatro> grils :P
[07:33] <Tr0gd0r> ubuntu has taken over 4 hours to install on my p1 200mhz
[07:33] <cuatro> girls :D
[07:33] <Tr0gd0r> damn
[07:33] <cuatro> :(
[07:33] <knapjack> no0tic: Barcelona is nice.
[07:34] <no0tic> knapjack: never been before
[07:34] <mariano> no0tic, if I'm not wrong the port 43999 is used by ssh
[07:34] <no0tic> mariano: 43999???
[07:34] <no0tic> mariano: ssh is port 22
[07:34] <cuatro> :s
[07:35] <no0tic> mariano: but, if you have changed something...
[07:35] <mariano> I know, but I read somewhere that it might be used for that too
[07:35] <knapjack> no0tic: It's a great city, with a very intersting mix of modern and historic flavor.  Gotta see the park with all the Gaudi sculpture/architecture.
[07:36] <mariano> That's Park Gell, true, very interesting
[07:36] <no0tic> knapjack: I studied it at school...
[07:37] <mariano> dammit, now I can't install any bittorrent client :(
[07:37] <no0tic> mariano: why?
[07:37] <mariano> not sure
[07:37] <mariano> azureus doesn't start
[07:37] <mariano> and bittorrent and bittornado don't want to get installed
[07:37] <mariano> very confusing day...
[07:37] <no0tic> uhm... I'm gonna getting a shower
[07:38] <mariano> (fucking hangover...)
[07:38] <no0tic> byebye
[07:38] <mariano> ciao!
[07:41] <jesuel> ahh mrtg all setup now :)
[07:42] <R0bNyc> Anyone here using apt-build
[07:43] <mariano> nop, sorry
[07:44] <R0bNyc> thanks
[07:44] <cuatro> mariano
[07:44] <R0bNyc> why theres no bootsplash or grub splash ?
[07:44] <cuatro> why you dont enter to #ubuntu-es ?
[07:45] <djjason> Im trying to fix power related errors and when I put acpi=off and apm=off into the menu.lst my wireless and usb stop working
[07:45] <djjason> any clues?
[07:46] <R0bNyc> noapic nolapic ?
[07:46] <djjason> should I include that in the lst file as well?
[07:46] <jeavis> Hello somebody can says me where I can fin a Korn Shell Manual
[07:47] <pmar_> hi all
[07:48] <giard> does anyone know if hoary will have support for airport express?
[07:48] <pmar_> have no idea...
[07:48] <pmar_> however, ive been using hoary on amd64 for more than 10day and it works great...
[07:48] <djjason> or should I replace acpi=off with pci=noacpi
[07:48] <djjason> nolapic
[07:48] <pmar_> appart from the problem with evolution
[07:51] <pmar_> any experiencies with amd64 hoary?
[07:51] <R0bNyc> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/memstat/memstat_0.4_i386.deb  Size mismatch
[07:51] <R0bNyc> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[07:51] <R0bNyc> what do Ido
[07:51] <tritium> as it says
[07:53] <R0bNyc> I still get het smaething
[07:53] <R0bNyc> the* samething*
[07:54] <goldfish> Is there any way to reset XF86Config-4? I was sure I made a backup, but it looks like I was wrong :/
[07:55] <tritium> R0bNyc, what were you in the process of doing?
[07:55] <knapjack> Has anyone tried building mozilla-firefox from hoary on warty?
[07:55] <matt_> Hi, I am having an issue with the nvidia driver.  I am running an HP Pavilion zd7058cl laptop. It has a geforce go5600.. My lcd monitor/video adapter support a 1440x900 resolution, but the nvidia driver, no matter what config settings i throw at it, does not let me go higher than 1024x768 resolution(60hz refresh ugh) if anyone has the answer to this problem please let me know :)
[07:55] <R0bNyc> tritium, apt-build install memstat
[07:55] <knapjack> matt_: Did you try installing the nvidia display tool?
[07:55] <tritium> R0bNyc, try apt-get -f install
[07:55] <matt_> nvidia-settings?
[07:56] <R0bNyc> tritium, http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2002/03/msg00647.html
[07:56] <knapjack> Yep
[07:56] <R0bNyc> my friend just told me theres a problem with the sources of ubuntu
[07:56] <tritium> R0bNyc, possibly also dpkg --configure --pending
[07:56] <penguinitus> hello all...
[07:56] <matt_> knapjack: i have it installed, but i don't believe it has any relevant settings to correct this issue, if you know something i dont, please enlighten me :)
[07:56] <knapjack> R0bNyc: What did he tell you?
[07:57] <penguinitus> I need some help setting up a simple shell script...
[07:57] <bonhelsing> hello
[07:57] <knapjack> matt_: I just installed the nvidia drivers the other week for the first time (to play a little bzflag), but it went very smoothly.
[07:57] <R0bNyc> After unpacking 86.0kB of additional disk space will be used.
[07:57] <bonhelsing> can anyone here help me out with networking? im kinda stuck. thanks
[07:57] <R0bNyc> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe memstat 0.4 [10.1kB] 
[07:57] <R0bNyc> Fetched 9890B in 1s (6143B/s)
[07:57] <R0bNyc> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/memstat/memstat_0.4_i386.deb  Size mismatch
[07:57] <R0bNyc> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[07:57] <penguinitus> I need a script to execute apt-get update apt-get upgrade when I click the icon, I want it to open a shell and run in the shell so I can see the output
[07:58] <pmar_> compiling mozilla worked on both hoary and warty, on both amd64 and i686
[07:58] <tritium> R0bNyc, did you try what I suggested?
[07:58] <knapjack> matt_: Did you follow the guide on the wiki?
[07:58] <R0bNyc> tritium, will now
[07:58] <matt_> knapjack: ya i have installed them on many computers, the thing is, they have always gone smoothly for me also, but on this particular laptop it is giving me grief.  a funny thing to note is that i remember using previous versions of the nvidia driver with no issues. :\
[07:58] <R0bNyc> but i cant do it with apt-get, i gotta do it with apt-build because its part of apt-build
[07:58] <R0bNyc> yes tritium i just did it and same problem too
[07:59] <knapjack> matt_: Strange.  I have had problems with the 2go chipset on an Acer in the past and ended up using the VESA drivers.
[07:59] <matt_> i just did apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia settings (the restricted modules were already installed) .. then I changed nv to nvidia in xfree and deleted the glcore and dri entries.
[07:59] <knapjack> matt_: No accelerated X, but nvidia has very impressive VESA performance.
[07:59] <knapjack> matt_: That should have done the trick.  Anything in the logs?
[07:59] <giard> matt_: do you need to delete the dri entry?
[08:00] <matt_> knapjack: nope, when i type xrandr in console 1024x768 is the "uppermost" setting.. usually nvidia cards are pretty good when detecting these things.  I even tried turning of edid on the monitor and setting the resolution manually but i think the driver is ignoring my config entries
[08:00] <pmar_> giard: I usually remove dri....
[08:01] <matt_> well its working beautifully in 1024x768 but it irks me because it is a widescreen display and things are not in correct proportion they are "stretched" :)
[08:01] <cuatro> guyz, in hoary, how is called the fonts rendering in xorg? now the fonts are like in fedora
[08:02] <cuatro> :/
[08:03] <knapjack> matt_: I'd start checking other sources for info on the nvidia driver.  Maybe it's a known issue.
[08:03] <goldfish> Can u reset XF86Config-4 ?
[08:03] <knapjack> I've read before that 2go is a different beast and sometimes needs a swift kick. ;)
[08:04] <cuatro> guyz, in hoary, how is called the fonts rendering? the fonts looks like fedora look
[08:04] <Ex-Cyber> is there a distro that would work well on a 486/33 with 8MB of RAM and a ~300MB disk?
[08:05] <matt_> knapjack: most likely, i will do that.  i just dont have much time to screw with this now ;) Btw i just replaced a fc3 install with ubuntu, I had debian on here before but man after using yum its nothing compared to apt. the dependency resolution is slowwww.. and it doesnt work as well as apt :)
[08:06] <knapjack> matt_: Yeah, I hear you.  I'm a big debfoster fan (prune dependencies from the tree when you uninstall) and there's just no correlation with RPM-based distributions.
[08:06] <Tr0gd0r> i want a distro that will run well on a p200mhz, 80mb ram, and 5gb drive, i installed ubuntu, but when it tries opening x-windows the screen is just black
[08:06] <superfrog> lllllllllllllll
[08:06] <chibifs> Trog - Slackware.
[08:06] <superfrog> lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
[08:06] <superfrog> lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
[08:06] <knapjack> Tr0gd0r: Have you read the Ubuntu mini-RAM HOWTO?
[08:07] <Tr0gd0r> yes
[08:07] <Tr0gd0r> i installed it that way
[08:07] <knapjack> hmmm
[08:07] <Tr0gd0r> and when i started x
[08:07] <Tr0gd0r> the screen is blank
[08:07] <matt_> damn-small linux
[08:07] <matt_> :)
[08:07] <chibifs> I run Slackware on my 133mhz pentium with 32 megs of ram. :o
[08:07] <Tr0gd0r> i cant figure out how to exit x to get back to bash
[08:07] <thelusiv> ctrl+alt+f1
[08:07] <Tr0gd0r> tried
[08:07] <Tr0gd0r> doesnt work
[08:08] <thelusiv> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:08] <knapjack> sounds like a video card issue
[08:08] <cuatro> guyz, in hoary, how is called the fonts rendering in xorg? now the fonts are like in fedora
[08:08] <Tr0gd0r> its a 3dfx banshee
[08:08] <thelusiv> i have a question...i have a ice1712 chipset sound card
[08:08] <thelusiv> m-audio audiophyle 2496
[08:08] <Tr0gd0r> i need to edit the x config, but right when it starts xdm loads so i cant edit it
[08:09] <thelusiv> Tr0gd0r: you should be able to edit it, then restart gdm/xdm and it will load the new config
[08:09] <knapjack> Tr0gd0r: You can boot single-user or boot from the rescue disk and mount the drive and disable xdm in the init scripts.
[08:09] <thelusiv> i need the envy24control tool to mix this card...and i need alsaconf to set it up
[08:09] <tritium> cuatro, you mean that they're anti-aliased?
[08:10] <thelusiv> but these don't appear to be in alsa-utils for some reason?
[08:10] <cuatro> yes :/
[08:10] <knapjack> thelusiv: Sounds like xdm locks up the machine before he can get to a login prompt at the console.
[08:10] <cuatro> tritium :P
[08:10] <cuatro> it's cool
[08:10] <thelusiv> ooh i see
[08:10] <Tr0gd0r> yes it does
[08:11] <knapjack> Can anyone walk Tr0gd0r through a single-user boot w/ GRUB?
[08:12] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, you need to reboot into single-user mode?
[08:12] <Tr0gd0r> yes
[08:13] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, okay, let's use grub-reboot
[08:13] <Tr0gd0r> how?
[08:13] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, can you look at /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[08:14] <Tr0gd0r> my screen is blank, as x-windows isnt working
[08:14] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, Ctrl-Alt-F1 ?
[08:14] <tritium> does that get you to a console?
[08:14] <Tr0gd0r> tried
[08:14] <Tr0gd0r> nope
[08:14] <Tr0gd0r> still blank
[08:14] <iGad_diner> wohee... let's reboot and see if the 686 kernel works :)
[08:14] <iGad_diner> brb
[08:14] <tritium> okay, just reboot the machine and hit Esc before grub starts booting
[08:14] <tritium> linux
[08:14] <Tr0gd0r> k one sec
[08:16] <Tr0gd0r> alright at the screen
[08:16] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, you can see a list?
[08:16] <Tr0gd0r> yes
[08:16] <cuatro> mariano yeahhh :D hoary rocks, it runs so speedy :)
[08:16] <tritium> arrow down and select one that says "recovery mode"
[08:17] <tritium> and hit return
[08:17] <Tr0gd0r> k loading
[08:17] <tritium> okay, you're going to boot into single-user mode
[08:18] <Tr0gd0r> which means?
[08:18] <tritium> as root, with none of the multi-user stuff
[08:19] <Tr0gd0r> now wheres the xserver config
[08:19] <Tr0gd0r> so i can try to fix it
[08:19] <goldfish> hey lads, is there anyway i can reset XF86Config-4 to default?
[08:19] <goldfish> I forgot to make a backup :/
[08:19] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, /etc/X11, but I suggest you try dpkg-reconfigure
[08:19] <goldfish> el n00b
[08:19] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, you're on Warty?
[08:20] <Tr0gd0r> yes
[08:20] <nanophase> hi
[08:20] <nanophase> anyone knows how to dualhead on a radeon mobility (or at all) ?
[08:20] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:20] <Tr0gd0r> it says please specify a package to reconfigure
[08:20] <tritium> see above
[08:21] <morchuboo> Hi all - my first time in here. Can anyone tell me how to configure the GDM - I want to set its resolution to 1024 x 768
[08:22] <morchuboo> I tried gdmsetup but that doesnt et you choose its resolution
[08:22] <tritium> morchuboo, you need to configure your xserver, not gdm, for the resolution
[08:22] <Xappe> GDM uses the first resolution in Xfree86.conf I think
[08:23] <morchuboo> but i want to let people set their user resolution to higher if they want - just that the default for GDM be 1024
[08:23] <Tr0gd0r> which sould i use for standerd ps2 mouse
[08:23] <tritium> morchuboo, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"
[08:24] <Tr0gd0r> /dev/input/mice or /dev/psaux
[08:24] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, /dev/input/mice should work
[08:25] <Tr0gd0r> which xfree86 modules should i remove?
[08:25] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, using nvidia?
[08:25] <Tr0gd0r> 3dfx
[08:26] <tritium> I'm not sure that you have to remove any.
[08:26] <tritium> But I don't have 3dfx
[08:26] <metaliu> does anyone know if ubuntu will work with my ATI All-in-wonder Radeon 7500?
[08:27] <metaliu> more specifically, so i can use my tv tuner and tv out and do pvr stuff?
[08:27] <chibifs> Metaliu - Yes, but don't expect amazing 3d performance.
[08:27] <Sav> Im using X.IRC and i cannot see bold and itailc text, how can i fix this?
[08:27] <Sav> X-Chat even
[08:27] <metaliu> chibifs: im not planning on doing games, just pvr stuff
[08:27] <Tr0gd0r> bakc to console, should i reboot or start xserver
[08:27] <chibifs> Ah. PVR on ubuntu has been a pain in the ass to me :/
[08:27] <tritium> chibifs, using mythtv?
[08:28] <chibifs> MythTV itself is amazing, it has something to do with the hotplug stuff ubuntu uses.
[08:28] <metaliu> chibifs: so i should stay away from ubuntu with my ATI AIW 7500?
[08:29] <chibifs> Well, you don't /have/ to. Just look into things first. And a plain Debian testing might do you better.
[08:29] <tritium> Tr0gd0r, I need to get going.  Good luck.
[08:29] <chibifs> MythTV installs a lot easier on vanilla debian, anyway.
[08:30] <tritium> chibifs, how so?
[08:30] <Manny> hi
[08:30] <chibifs> Lots of library name conflicts between ubuntu and debian testing.
[08:31] <Manny> is it somehow possible to install ubuntu using a partitioned, formatted HD and internet access from a bootable live CD?
[08:31] <abiertos> hello, I want to now how I can add my email to the messenger of a friend that eliminated me
[08:31] <Manny> I remember some manual bootstrapping with deb
[08:32] <bluefoxicy> Manny:  heh, I wanted net-install livecds (DEbian's net installers are 20M cds, so +20M on the livecd), that may be neat if they ever decide to make 'em
[08:32] <Manny> hrm I have a debian netinst CD
[08:32] <thelusiv> anybody here use envy24control?
[08:33] <Manny> maybe I can hack it to use the ubuntu repository?
[08:33] <chibifs> Manny - You can, but it'll be kinda rough
[08:33] <chibifs> I tried it once, it made a messy install :P
[08:33] <Manny> :/
[08:33] <Manny> I want a clean installation
[08:34] <Manny> the problem is that my pegasos doesn't like the ubuntu CD kernel. Obviously it has problems with the initrd
[08:34] <chibifs> Well, how is the disk formatted?
[08:35] <chibifs> You could always pick out and backup parts of the old OS if you're looking to replace it. I do that often.
[08:35] <Manny> I have a working deb installation on it
[08:35] <Manny> I plan to resize this partition, though
[08:36] <Manny> this would have to take place from a rescue CD or such
[08:36] <chibifs> Ah, so you want Ubuntu and Debian :P
[08:36] <Manny> chibifs, no, I want ubuntu instead of deb
[08:36] <chibifs> Well, do this, then. Boot from the ubuntu install CD, and open a terminal.
[08:36] <Manny> chibifs, well, booting the CD doesn't work - because it has an initrd kernel
[08:37] <Tr0gd0r> where is the xserver log file found?
[08:37] <Manny> can I build my own CD with a non-initrd kernel? :)
[08:37] <Manny> Tr0gd0r, you use XFree86?
[08:37] <altan> is there any way I can send some sort of alert to a machine that I am ssh'ed to, like to another user that's logged on? I have root access, but I need to get the attention of the current user somehow
[08:37] <Tr0gd0r> yes
[08:38] <Manny>  /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[08:38] <chibifs> :o I don't understand why your bios would have trouble booting the disk. ;_;
[08:38] <Manny> chibifs, it boots the kernel
[08:38] <chibifs> Does it not get to the debian installer?
[08:38] <Manny> but the screen suddently displays colored squares and hangs. I see a blinking "thingie" (cursor?) scattered over 6 or 7 locations
[08:39] <Manny> I'm talking abou the warty preview iso
[08:39] <chibifs> Oh! I'm talking about the install CD :P
[08:39] <Manny> I as well
[08:39] <Manny> oh, I messed it up with the live CD
[08:39] <Manny> it is the install CD
[08:40] <chibifs> Live CDs are smelly o.o
[08:40] <Tr0gd0r> i had the error no screens found
[08:40] <guerby> hi, how to rebuild just one module of the kernel? (in my case prism54)
[08:40] <chibifs> Manny, I'm lost :P
[08:41] <Manny> chibifs, :P
[08:41] <scaroo> hi ppl ! the last xorg upgrade broke my x installation, i m stuck with 640x480, the xorg.log speaks about not finding te right mode because of an hsync trouble, any clue ?
[08:42] <Tr0gd0r> how do i get out of insert mode in vi?
[08:43] <scaroo> trogdor press 'i' or :q ther 'emacs' :d
[08:43] <scaroo> *then
[08:43] <Tr0gd0r> if i type that it will just go into the file im editing
[08:44] <scaroo> wow you wanted to get out the edit mode ! didn t read correctly, i m not a vi user but i think you can leave a mode by pressing esc
[08:44] <theine> Tr0gd0r: try vimtutor
[08:45] <theine> Tr0gd0r: ... in a terminal
[08:47] <djtansey> i just (re)installed hoary (array 4) -- automounting doesn't work. what gives?
[08:47] <djtansey> and are there any work around?
[08:47] <knapjack> Is there a mime editor in warty?
[08:49] <neighborlee> djtansey, I dont use hoary but unless someone replies here I"d suggest for now the forums..sorry I can't be more help
[08:50] <djtansey> neighborlee: i'm there poking aronud already. :) thanks
[08:50] <neighborlee> knapjack, i'm not in linux atm but i'd check prefs or system tools area..Idont use that stuff much but it should be in there somewhere ..
[08:50] <neighborlee> djtansey, oh ok ;-))
[08:50] <neighborlee> np
[08:50] <knapjack> neighborlee: thanks
[08:50] <neighborlee> yw
[08:51] <Tr0gd0r> how do i install javavm on mozilla firefox
[08:52] <XiMobile> Damn, I am way out of my league here. I just wanted to know how to get my trackball running ...
[08:52] <pisuke> Tr0gd0r, www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:53] <LinuxJones> knapjack, gnome 2.8 has automatic file associations. If you need to change it right click the file then open with other app.
[08:53] <hybrid> hello
[08:55] <Ensiferum> hi
[08:55] <iGadget_> re
[08:55] <iGadget_> well... first fglrx driver running... screen looks a little better
[08:55] <hybrid> has anyone in here used amule? if so what are some good servers?
[08:55] <Ensiferum> if I switch to another tty with Alt+F1 for example switching back to X with Alt+F7 works only once.
[08:55] <iGadget_> now for that 'dvi alternate mode' option
[08:55] <Ensiferum> anyone knows what gives?
[08:55] <morchuboo> I just tried editing xorg.conf to set 1024x768 as the default resolution so GDM will start in 1024, but it just uses 1280x1024 with a viewport of 1024x768
[08:56] <Jeeez> hi there
[08:56] <theine> too bad libavcodec2 (which is a dependency of mplayer) is missing from the multiverse repositor
[08:56] <theine> y
[08:56] <morchuboo> I want to enable users to use any resolution, but make GDM use 1024x768
[08:56] <Jeeez> Are there any known problems with ubuntu and ICS?
[08:56] <theine> in hoary i should add
[08:57] <morchuboo> if I take out the reference to 128x1024 then users cant select resolutions higher than 1024
[08:57] <Br|ce> hi
[08:57] <Br|ce> I'm trying to install slune under hoary
[08:57] <Br|ce> and I get the following error :
[08:58] <Br|ce> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:58] <Br|ce>   slune: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu4 is to be installed
[08:58] <Br|ce>          Depends: python-openal (>= 0.1.4-4) but it is not going to be installed
[08:58] <Br|ce> E: Broken packages
[08:58] <Br|ce> is there anything I can do ? maybe fill a bugreport ?
[08:59] <tanari> hi all
[08:59] <tanari> I have problem with rhythmbox (0.8.5), when I want launch it I see error message: Failed to create the player: Couldn't initialize scheduler.  Did you run gst-register?
[08:59] <iGadget_> well... did you? :)
[08:59] <Br|ce> :p
[09:00] <hybrid> lol
[09:00] <tanari> @ubuntu:~ $ gst-register
[09:00] <tanari> bash: gst-register: command not found
[09:00] <njs12345> tanari: try gst-register-0.8
[09:00] <tanari> njs12345 thanks, now works
[09:00] <njs12345> np :)
[09:01] <estebandido> hello... i have a problem: boot hangs at "Configuring network interfaces"
[09:01] <njs12345> a useful fact: in the terminal if you press [TAB]  it completes the names of programs
[09:01] <iGadget_> stupid error... why can't it just ask if you'd ran gst-register-0.8? :p
[09:01] <njs12345> so if you type in gst-register and press [TAB]  it'll give you gst-register-0.8
[09:01] <Br|ce> anyone's got an idea for my own question ?
[09:02] <Tr0gd0r> how do i change default window manager from gnome to icewm?
[09:03] <ioxae> Trogd0r: gdm configuration files ,there should be a tool in system tools/configuration or whatever
[09:04] <Tr0gd0r> where?
[09:04] <Tr0gd0r> im in sustem toos/configureation
[09:05] <ioxae> look for anything that says 'gdm'
[09:05] <ioxae> or , edit the file by hand ..
[09:05] <ioxae> www.google.com
[09:05] <iGadget_> br|ce: I'm not ignoring you... I just don't know :|
[09:05] <Tr0gd0r> what directory?!?
[09:05] <estebandido> any thoughts on getting my machine to boot?
[09:05] <ioxae> I'm not going to hold your hand ..
[09:05] <Br|ce> iGadget_: :)
[09:06] <umarmung> Tr0gd0r, when you log in through gdm chose icewm from session, then you get ask if this should be default from now on
[09:06] <ioxae> Tr0gd0r: you should be able to SELECT "icewm" whe you login by the way , if its installed ....
[09:06] <iGadget_> ioxae: well if your hands are warm, that'd be quite welcome ;)
[09:06] <cuatro> hoarys rocks!! it's running so fast on my p3 667 mhz, 256 ram :D I'm happy :D
[09:06] <cuatro> http://restrex.dotgeek.org/hoary.png
[09:06] <cuatro> :P
[09:06] <ioxae> iGadget_: quit flirting you dirty european
[09:07] <ioxae> :P
[09:07] <iGadget_> ;)
[09:07] <tanari> I have another problem with rhythmbox, it doesn't show non englosh mp3 tags
[09:07] <zenwhen> O;
[09:07] <ioxae> tanari: but was submitted and fixed .. update
[09:08] <ioxae> tanari: japanese text ?
[09:08] <morchuboo> br|ce: I think this means that the package needs to be rebuilt for python 2.4, it comes up quite often with universe packages
[09:08] <tanari> no, cyrillic mp3 tags
[09:08] <Br|ce> morchuboo: ok, or maybe it should depend on python2.3 not python
[09:08] <Br|ce> morchuboo: should I use something like apt-build ?
[09:09] <LinuxJones> cuatro, those drop shadows look awesome !!
[09:09] <tanari> I have this problem with all audio players based on gstreamer
[09:09] <cuatro> LinuxJones yeah rocks :D hary rocks ;) :P :D
[09:09] <morchuboo> repackaging is something Ive been wanting to get into for a while so I can repack some of the universe stuff - but i dont know anything about it yet
[09:09] <cuatro> hoary :D
[09:10] <Br|ce> mmm, I'm under hoary and doesn't have these dropshadow ;)
[09:10] <larsrohdin> hi, im having troubles getting my stuf transparent in fluxbox... whatever i do the backgrounds are black...
[09:10] <Br|ce> larsrohdin: guess you're using the stable fluxbox version
[09:10] <Br|ce> larsrohdin: you want to install the dev one
[09:11] <larsrohdin> ok... how and where?
[09:11] <Br|ce> larsrohdin: I'm unsure there's a ubuntu package for it though
[09:11] <djtansey> anyone here know anything about the "auto" filesystem type? because gnome-volume-manager is saying that it is invalid.
[09:11] <morchuboo> djtansey: what you trying to mount?
[09:11] <larsrohdin> i got the stuf transparent once, but then it showed my old background insted of my present...
[09:12] <djtansey> morchuboo: a CF disk plugged into a pcmcia card. gnome-volume-manager (running it in a terminal to watch what it says) says Error: invalid file system name 'auto'
[09:13] <tanari> can somebody help me with rhythmbox please? I like this app, but can't see cyrillic mp3 tags
[09:13] <mcphail> djtansey: try mounting it as vfat
[09:13] <morchuboo> try mounting it manually
[09:13] <iGadget_> so... what's the overall opinion... upgrade to hoary or not?
[09:14] <djtansey> morchuboo, mcphail: would almost certainly work. but i want gnome-volume-manager to detect it. so unless i can somehow tell g-v-m to use vfat i'd rather try to figure out why g-v-m doesn't recognize "auto" (i've mounted this before manually so i know it iworks)
[09:14] <njs12345> tanari: you could try converting the encodings to utf-8
[09:14] <djtansey> iGadget: i'd say do it. the breaks are few. i eventually did a clean reinstall with an array CD though since the upgrade isn't always perfect.
[09:14] <njs12345> iGadget_: if you use your Warty for non-crucial work then yes
[09:14] <njs12345> you can do all kinds of spiffy crap with it
[09:14] <looksaus> hm, is anyone else experiencing unstable connections on cdimage.ubuntu.com?
[09:15] <iGadget_> okay...
[09:15] <iGadget_> djtansey: about your CF card, how much space has it?
[09:15] <looksaus> it tends to download at +-750K/s (top speed of my cable modem) at moments, then fall back to 60 K/s
[09:16] <djtansey> morchuboo, mcphail: mounted it manually and it works. either of you have an idea of where g-v-m gets its knowledge about FSs? are the filesystems part of the kernel or elsewhere?
[09:16] <looksaus> I would download from the local university network mirror, but that one's down for maintenance right now
[09:16] <mcphail> looksaus: tried bittorrent?
[09:16] <djtansey> iGadget: just 256MB. usually works beautifully. i might have to set up a fstab mountpoint for the thing instead of just using gnome-volume-manager though...
[09:17] <iGadget_> djtansey: with sizes that small, it probably has a fat16 filesystem
[09:17] <mcphail> djtansey: that sounds like a good idea. Might be worth reformatting the card first?
[09:17] <looksaus> mcphail, no, cable provider sharks severely limit upload capacity here :(
[09:18] <Br|ce> hum, after looking into the python-openal, it seems like the python dependancy is crappy
[09:18] <djtansey> mcphail, iGadget: it is vfat -- i mounted it manually and it works happily. i would rather solve the actual problem though. g-v-m should be able to handle this
[09:18] <Br|ce> is there a way to rebuild or altere the package ?
[09:18] <mcphail> djtansey: don't know much about it. My USB drives auto vfat perfectly
[09:19] <djtansey> mcphail: hoary or warty?
[09:19] <mcphail> warty
[09:19] <larsrohdin> Br|ce, i found the problem... it was a known problem with the image viewer qiv, which i used with fbsetbg.. i installed feh insted and it works perfectly!
[09:19] <spacey> usb drives worked for me in warty and hoary
[09:19] <spacey> don't have one atm though
[09:20] <Br|ce> larsrohdin: ok :)
[09:20] <iGadget_> djtansey: I see fat16 now falls under vfat indeed... some years back fat and vfat were separate filesystems when using mount
[09:20] <djtansey> iGadget: yeah. i remember those days. its amazing how much has changed since i started using Rhat 4.x
[09:20] <tanari> njs12345 I tried to convert UTF-8, but still can't see
[09:20] <djtansey> iGadget: even if things aren't yet perfect (then we were predicting world domination by now...)
[09:21] <iGadget_> djtansey: well then you're even a bigger veteran than me... my first linux steps were with rh5.1 :)
[09:21] <mcphail> djtansey: are you plugging CF card directly into PCMCIA slot?
[09:21] <njs12345> compared to the two of you I'm a linux n00b :P
[09:22] <djtansey> iGadget: yeah. to be honest that was my first serious distro. i got 4.x but only wiped my windows partition with 5.1
[09:22] <iGadget_> ghehehe
[09:22] <djtansey> mcphail: well, through a little adapter. but year
[09:22] <djtansey> mcphail: "yeah"
[09:23] <iGadget_> can anyone tell me how risky it is to mount an ntfs volume rw?
[09:23] <Ensiferum> can someone tell me how does all the gnome settings work like keyboard layout? I presume that gnome has it's own settings stored somewhere (per user perhaps) and it sets them from there when loading?
[09:24] <sig> Ensiferum: in "preferences" >> "keyboard layout"
[09:24] <sig> in the gnome panel
[09:24] <Ensiferum> sig: thats not what i asked
 can someone tell me how does all the gnome settings work like keyboard layout?
[09:24] <sig> you can change them from there
[09:25] <sig> period...
[09:25] <Ensiferum> more specifically, how does gnome make those settings happen
[09:25] <Ensiferum> i assume it uses x tools to configure x on the fly?
[09:26] <mcphail> djtansey: some stuff in man mount. I'll post to flood. Might be bad superblock on your card.
[09:26] <Ensiferum> silence..
[09:26] <djjason> by mistake I removed the top menu panel, is there a way for me to get it back, restore it?
[09:26] <Ensiferum> djjason: reinstall ;)
[09:27] <djjason> what.....there must be a way to restore it?
[09:27] <Ensiferum> djjason: dont count on it
[09:27] <ArCHoNKoG> there is not libpng3 package
[09:28] <djjason> Ensiferum: but I could just use the package manager and reinstall gnome....and that should do the trick?
[09:28] <snowblink> djjason: gnome-panel
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> wo
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> wow
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> I just umounted a compact flash card
[09:28] <bluefoxicy> and ubuntu said "WHOA WHAT THE FUCK"
[09:29] <djjason> snowblink: should I run that or?
[09:29] <toresbe> bluefoxicy: huh?
[09:29] <djjason> or reinstall
[09:29] <bluefoxicy> and shit, now gnome's broken
[09:29] <toresbe> bluefoxicy: As in literally?
[09:29] <bluefoxicy> toresbe:  no, as in, the computer stopped doing anything
[09:29] <snowblink> djjason: personally, I'd try a command before reinstallation
[09:29] <toresbe> bluefoxicy: ah, well, that's always a bad idea :P
[09:30] <morchuboo> anyone know how to stop xfce asking for sudo password when wanting to turn off computer?
[09:30] <toresbe> bluefoxicy: never remove a mounted volume!
[09:30] <djjason> snowblink: you mean running gnome-panel
[09:30] <bluefoxicy> toresbe:  umount /mnt/usb0 is a bad idea?
[09:30] <snowblink> djjason: yeah
[09:30] <djjason> snowblink: it says that it has detected another panel running and will exit?
[09:30] <toresbe> bluefoxicy: no, sorry, misread  unmounted as removed, sorry
[09:31] <snowblink> djjason: what happens when you restart GNOME?
[09:31] <djjason> snowblink: it just starts up again...without the top panel
[09:32] <Tr0gd0r> i installed j2re and when i goto a site in mozilla with java it still wont work
[09:32] <bluefoxicy> sync first
[09:32] <bluefoxicy> whew.
[09:32] <toresbe> bluefoxicy: umount syncs,
[09:32] <toresbe> .*
[09:32] <Guest_> Has anyone ever configured Shorewall. I have an ubuntu box which my router DMZ's to. I want to prevent access from the internet to the SMB service.
[09:33] <bluefoxicy> toresbe:  not when the machine freezes
[09:33] <toresbe> djjason: You *could* "rm -rf ~/.gnome", this would flush all your gnome settings
[09:33] <toresbe> bluefoxicy: strange
[09:33] <bluefoxicy> I just changed from the 2.6.10-2-amd64-generic to k8 kernel though
[09:33] <toresbe> hmm
[09:33] <ArCHoNKoG> where can i find libpng3 i need that to instlal cedega
[09:34] <djjason> toresbe: ok....thanks...maby Ill just have to do that
[09:34] <djjason> unless someone else has a suggestion
[09:34] <topyli> toresbe, djjason: the .gnome dir might have lots of interesting stuff you don't want to lose
[09:34] <toresbe> topyli: Oh? Like what?
[09:35] <morchuboo> Tr0gd0r: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre-mozilla
[09:35] <djjason> well I just set it up last night...so there isnt musch there yet
[09:35] <mcphail> Chest: welcome
[09:35] <topyli> toresbe: i mean .gnome2 of course. well, there's all my nautilus scripts, epiphany bookmars, keyrings...
[09:35] <Chest> howdy all.  I need a minimal server distro, preferably on one cd.  Would ubuntu fulfill this?  Is is fairly easy to install a minimal, server oriented os?
[09:36] <toresbe> topyli: aha
[09:36] <Chest> ubuntu seems desktop oriented
[09:36] <toresbe> Chest: minimal server = debian sarge netinstall
[09:36] <spacey> i have ubuntu as server
[09:36] <spacey> and works perfectlyh
[09:36] <spacey> just boot it with custom bootparameter at the install cd
[09:36] <Chest> toresbe: so your saying no, install sarge?
[09:37] <morchuboo> Chest: If you select expert / custom install it will install just the base packages - you can then install anything you want for your server as you wish. Advantage - you will know exactly what is on your server
[09:37] <topyli> Chest: sarge is no server until it's stable
[09:37] <Chest> morchuboo: ok
[09:37] <Chest> thanks
[09:37] <morchuboo> np :)
[09:38] <toresbe> Chest: Yeah, basically, Ubuntu is by no means minimal. You don't want GNOME and so on on a server, but morchuboo made a good point :)
[09:38] <Chest> ubuntu is a debian based distro right?
[09:38] <morchuboo> yep
[09:39] <topyli> Chest: or at least the front page of ubuntu.com :)
[09:39] <Chest> heh
[09:40] <AndyR> evenin' all
[09:40] <iGadget_> hmmm... where can I specify the preferred audio device?
[09:40] <iGadget_> (I have several soundcards installed in my system)
[09:41] <iGadget_> with xmms I could simply specify emu10k1 audio... but vlc has no option for this as far as I can see
[09:42] <iGadget_> so I assume it's playing on the primary audio device
[09:42] <topyli> does anybody use p3nfs anymore?
[09:47] <snowblink> I would have thought GNOME would not let you remove your remaining panel...
[09:47] <Natx> hello
[09:48] <ja> Hello Natx
[09:51] <xadas_> #openoffice.org
[09:52] <neom> hullo
[09:52] <iGadget_> almost
[09:54] <xquizit> Hey how come I can't edit the applications menu in hoary?
[09:55] <xquizit> this is the command I am using "nautilus applications:///Internet"
[09:56] <Natx> i'm having some trouble with my recently received ubuntu cd's
[09:56] <djjason> Ive been trying to reinstall gnome, but the top menu panel is still not there
[09:56] <iGadget_> because...
[09:56] <Ensiferum> djjason: you gotta delete your gnome settings
[09:56] <Natx> finally i've could install ubuntu, but disabling USB support on motherboard
[09:57] <Natx> but now i cannot startup my windows
[09:57] <Natx> and gdm doesn't start
[09:57] <djjason> Ensiferum: I did remove ~/.gnome
[09:57] <iGadget_> errr... you didn't select 'erase entire harddrive', did you?
[09:57] <Natx> i've installed ubuntu over a debian partition
[09:57] <Ensiferum> djjason: i dont think all the settings are there
[09:57] <djjason> oh crap
[09:57] <Natx> no i didn't iGadget
[09:58] <mcphail> Natx: what happens when you try to boot windows?
[09:58] <Natx> grub tries to start but computer freezes
[09:58] <morchuboo> xquizit: Its an upstream change - Gnome no longer uses the applications:/// way, they now use the freedesktop.org standards - this will lead to better interoptability. Unfortunately, they have stopped the old way before having an alternative menu editor ready
[09:58] <Ensiferum> djjason: i have just few empty folders in my ~/.gnome
[09:58] <morchuboo> you need to edit the .desktop files
[09:58] <xadas_> Natx try rootnoverify in menu.lst
[09:58] <iGadget_> let's see if my windoze still wants to boot
[09:58] <xquizit> ok thanks morchuboo i'll try that :D
[09:58] <stuNNed> hi bluefoxicy
[09:58] <iGadget_> c y'all later
[09:59] <Natx> menu.lst? is it the grub config file, isn't it?
[09:59] <djjason> isnt it just possible to reset all the X settings
[09:59] <njs12345> hmm
[09:59] <njs12345> is there any way to allow echoing of passwords?
[09:59] <xquizit> morchuboo, where is the .desktop file?
[09:59] <njs12345> I'm using a tablet PC and the lack of echoing for passwords makes it very difficult to input characters
[10:00] <xadas_> Natx, yop
[10:00] <morchuboo> xquizit: /usr/share/applications
[10:00] <mcphail> njs12345: ubuntu works with tablets?
[10:00] <xquizit> wow that a lot haha, i'm guessing that I can't do this througha GUI anymore :s
[10:01] <morchuboo> but i have a feeling there is somewhere in your home directory that you should put your own mande .desktop files - cant remeber where though
[10:01] <morchuboo> will find out
[10:01] <djjason> where could possible all my gnome settings be
[10:01] <xquizit> ok :)
[10:01] <Natx> xadas_, must i put rootnoverify in some specific place in menu.lst (i'm used to work with lilo, no grub)
[10:02] <xquizit> omg those .desktop files look confusing haha
[10:02] <xquizit> nm i'm just drunk :P
[10:03] <morchuboo> :)
[10:05] <jeyrad> hey, anyone know what the default root pass is?
[10:05] <Quest-Master> jeyrad: The same as your user pass
[10:05] <jeyrad> i tried it; didnt work :(
[10:05] <Natx> jeyrad you can change it writing sudo passwd root
[10:06] <topyli> jeyrad: you don't log in as root. you use sudo with your own passwd
[10:06] <djjason> I tried to log into using another session and the panel is also gone from there....I must have deleted it or sum....
[10:06] <jeyrad> i need to configure stuff, it asks for the root password
[10:06] <jeyrad> and i dont know what to put in
[10:07] <larsrohdin> how can i change fonts and fontsizes in fluxbox? do i have to edit the specific theme?
[10:07] <topyli> jeyrad: what asks for root passwd?
[10:07] <Ensiferum> larsrohdin: yes
[10:07] <jeyrad> the system config thing
[10:07] <topyli> jeyrad: what is this thing?
[10:07] <hypn0> Natx: after the title i think
[10:07] <jeyrad> Login Screen Setup
[10:07] <Natx> i'm trying now hypn0, thx
[10:08] <topyli> jeyrad: afaik, it says "please enter your password"
[10:08] <larsrohdin> ok, but how? is it in the file in styles? i don't understand what to edit... is there maybe a faq to read?
[10:09] <jeyrad> ok, thanks topyli
[10:09] <jeyrad> it wasnt working before for some reason :P
[10:09] <untut> i installed ubunto 4.10 last week but i entered user/passwd several times end int doesn't allomw me to login
[10:10] <iapx8088> untut, caps was on?
[10:10] <untut> i think not
[10:10] <larsrohdin> Ensiferum, ok, but how? is it in the file in styles? i don't understand what to edit... is there maybe a faq to read?
[10:10] <snowblink> djjason: I tried a dummy account - and it doesn't let you delete the last panel
[10:10] <neighborlee> what is the status does anyone know about including java and say flash out of the box ??
[10:10] <untut> iapx8088: i think not
[10:10] <topyli> untut: i had the same problem when i still had a + sign in my password. finnish keyboard
[10:11] <iapx8088> untut, you just forgot it?
[10:11] <pvh> Hi, has anyone got local multi-user working in Ubuntu?
[10:11] <Tr0gd0r> i just wanna run mozilla and a java app from a website on my p200, even ubuntu with firefox and icewm cant
[10:11] <pvh> I'd like to be able to hook up a second keyboard/mouse for my girlfriend to use when I'm doing other stuff.
[10:11] <Rockj> which bootloader does Ubuntu comes with?
[10:11] <topyli> Rockj: grub
[10:11] <Natx> rockj grub
[10:11] <Rockj> Ive tried debian now, and I only get error 15 with debian sarge :S
[10:11] <Rockj> even if I click install lilo
[10:12] <Rockj> so I have given up debian
[10:12] <Natx> xadas_, hypn0, it doesn't work
[10:12] <Rockj> heard ubuntu should be good
[10:12] <Rockj> is it same type of setup as debian or? oO
[10:12] <topyli> Rockj: ubuntu installer is pretty much the same
[10:12] <Natx> i meant rootnoverify, booting windows keeps freezin tha pc
[10:13] <topyli> Rockj: when do you get this error?
[10:13] <Natx> i think ubuntu haven't installed correctly
[10:13] <Tr0gd0r> anyway to run mozilla without a window manager running?
[10:13] <untut> not, i entered the passwd several times, iapx8088
[10:13] <Ensiferum> larsrohdin: you want to edit that specific style
[10:13] <snowblink> pvh: multi-user at the same time on the same screen?
[10:13] <iapx8088> untut, explain it better
[10:13] <Natx> because during the apt-get, i've read some read errors from /dev/hdc (cdrom)
[10:13] <Ensiferum> larsrohdin: most likely in ~/.fluxbox/styles
[10:13] <iapx8088> what deas it mean
[10:13] <topyli> untut: does your password have special characters in it? i had problems with a plus sign
[10:14] <Ensiferum> or if its global i.e. in /usr/share somewhere you wanna copy it
[10:14] <Natx> i think the cd's i've received doesn't work correctly in my dvd-rom
[10:14] <topyli> untut: in gdm only, not in the console
[10:14] <Natx> hypn0, it doesn't work, windows keeps freezing at startup
[10:14] <Rockj> topyli: on debian, I first type expert26 , and I go thru the steps
[10:14] <larsrohdin> Ensiferum, yes i understand that, but i cant really understand to files... what to edit and so on... do you know if theres a faq or something i can read?
[10:14] <Rockj> when I come to  install base system, I click it, and it install grub
[10:15] <pvh> snowblink: I have two monitors.
[10:15] <untut> topyli: in both intyerfacers
[10:15] <pvh> snowblink: I'd like to be able to "split one off"
[10:15] <Rockj> automatic, reboots, and I get error 15. I get the same error even if I skip over install basesystem but over to  install lilo as bootloader
[10:15] <Rockj> :(
[10:15] <Rockj> grub gets installed and same error
[10:15] <snowblink> pvh: Never heard of doing that I'm afraid.
[10:15] <topyli> Rockj: were you able to boot the installed system from a boot disk or the install cd?
[10:15] <hypn0> Natx: http://www.linuxsa.org.au/pipermail/linuxsa/2004-November/075019.html
[10:16] <pvh> snowblink: I've heard of some people doing it using an AGP and a PCI card.
[10:16] <Ensiferum> larsrohdin: fluxbox.org has FAQ and helps
[10:16] <hypn0> dont have xp :-)
[10:16] <snowblink> pvh: sounds interesting
[10:16] <pvh> snowblink: But apparently it's not an easy process. And I don't want it always enabled.
[10:16] <topyli> untut: you probably don't have the same problem i did. i traced it down to locales (or so I think)
[10:16] <Rockj> topyli: dunno how to do that :S as I dunno how to chroot it from console after I booted up the cd. as there is no SDA listed in /dev :S
[10:17] <Tr0gd0r> anyone know a distro that could run www.runescape.com on a p200?
[10:17] <Natx> thx, hypn0
[10:18] <topyli> Rockj: not sure but the cd should have a "rescue" boot option
[10:18] <Natx> anyway i'm having some more troubles: just after install, gdm cannot startup, it says there is no screen....
[10:18] <Natx> my video card is riva tnt, from nvidia,
[10:18] <topyli> Rockj: this is all  assuming that there is a system to boot :)
[10:18] <iapx8088> Natx, strange, is an old one
[10:19] <Rockj> topyli: I assume so too, I mean, the installer automatic reboots :S and I follow the steps one for one
[10:19] <Natx> ....
[10:19] <Natx> sorry
[10:19] <iapx8088> natx did you install nvidia proprietary drivers?
[10:19] <Natx> i didn't know what i'm saying, ipax8088, ... is from nvidia, but is geforce 4
[10:19] <Natx> no, its a *very* fresh install
[10:20] <iapx8088> mh
[10:20] <topyli> Rockj: doesn't prove anything more than that the _installer_ thinks all is cool
[10:20] <wezzer> any idea how to get diamond viper v550 to work in ubuntu? I mean 3D graphics
[10:20] <untut> it's better to install in english, topyli ?
[10:20] <iapx8088> Natx,  you should see if it's supported by xfree, if not install nvidia proprietary drivers
[10:20] <Natx> i'm trying apt-get upgrade, but i think it's not the problem
[10:20] <Rockj> topyli: mhm, thing is, I want to boot it up and check the configuration for grub :S but dunno how. as I dunno how to mount my "installed?" system
[10:20] <Natx> thanks ipax8088
[10:21] <topyli> untut: dunno, i installed in english but i use a finnish keyboard layout, so that might have been the problem
[10:21] <Natx> i'll check this, then
[10:21] <iapx8088> Natx, don't forget to make the configuration changes
[10:21] <mike998> is the backports site down?
[10:22] <topyli> Rockj: IIRC, the cd should have a "rescue" boot option to do just that. but you might have to find the filesystem still. i've never had to do that with debian
[10:22] <Natx> i'll do ipax8088, thx
[10:23] <untut> ok typyli -er topyli
[10:23] <wm_eddie> anyone know a repository where I can get a newer version of Abiword? 2.0.7 is buggy...
[10:24] <topyli> wm_eddie: there's ubuntu-bp.org. very unofficial backports. or build from hoary sources
[10:24] <iapx8088> mmh
[10:25] <wm_eddie> I tried building Abiword 2.2 myself but it would just crash after I made the plugins
[10:25] <topyli> wm_eddie: where'd you get the sources?
[10:25] <Tr0gd0r> what window manager has the smallest memory footprint?
[10:26] <topyli> Tr0gd0r: twm probably
[10:26] <wm_eddie> topyli: From abisource
[10:26] <Tr0gd0r> apt-get install twm?
[10:27] <topyli> Tr0gd0r: apt-get install x-window-system should do it. it's the x default
[10:28] <topyli> Tr0gd0r: very basic, very ugly, but you can configure it to be prettier
[10:29] <jmhodges> hey, whats the magic ubuntu does at install time to make grub see other operating systems at ubuntu's own kernels automagically?
[10:29] <topyli> wm_eddie: use debian sources, or better, hoary sources. use apt to build
[10:29] <Sav> How do i mount a windows share with samba? (its user/password protected), and how to i mount a bin/cue file?
[10:31] <topyli> wm_eddie: put unstable or hoary sources in sources.list and do apt-get source -b abiword (or something, i forget)
[10:31] <topyli> wm_eddie: i use wajig, and build stuff with "wajig build stuff" :)
[10:32] <mcphail> Sav: don't know about Samba. I think you can mount bin/cue using http://www.jinjiru.ru/index/mountiso
[10:33] <Ensiferum> i installed fluxbox, but i need to have few things ran at login, such as setxkbmap, where to put those commands?
[10:34] <topyli> Sav: something like "smbmount -u<username> -p<passwd> /server/share /mountpoint". man smbmount. you can use plain "mount -t smbfs foo" as well
[10:34] <bas> helo, whats up with mplayer in hoary? i get a "libavcodeccvs is not available" error when apt-get installing it..
[10:35] <topyli> Ensiferum: ~/.xsession i guess
[10:35] <Sav> mcphail, i need kde for that package =(
[10:36] <mcphail> Sav: sorry. Long time since i last looked at it
[10:37] <topyli> Sav: doesn't nautilus "just work" with windows shares? it should
[10:38] <jeyrad> ok,this time it needs the root pass :P
[10:39] <topyli> jeyrad: oh, gdmsetup? :)
[10:39] <jeyrad> under control center
[10:39] <Ensiferum> topyli: could i somehow create a specific setting file for fluxbox only?
[10:39] <jeyrad> then under bootmanager and administrator mode
[10:39] <jeyrad> the administrator mode needs root pass
[10:40] <mjt> what does gconfd-2 process do, can anyone tell me?
[10:40] <steve__> anyone have an idea how I can get my computer to hibernate
[10:40] <topyli> Ensiferum: dunno. depends on what sets up your X session
[10:40] <steve__> my laptop
[10:40] <bas> in hoary mplayer from universe should work, right? theres no need for marillat sources anymore, right?
[10:40] <Ensiferum> topyli: gdm
[10:40] <jeyrad> topyli, can you help me here?
[10:41] <mcphail> Sav: maybe this will convert cin/cue to iso? http://he.fi/bchunk/
[10:41] <bas> steve__, it depends on your laptop, some can do it with acpi, some only with apm, others can only do software suspend..
[10:41] <chillywilly> do you guys think this will work with my nvidia onboard graphics?
[10:41] <larsrohdin> hi, can someone tell me what fonts these are? im most interested in the window title and the root-menu...  http://www.fluxbox.org/zoom.php?themes/sid/aleczapka_fluxcarnation.jpg
[10:41] <farruinn> mjt: I would guess it is what applies all of your gnome settings (set in Preferences)
[10:41] <topyli> jeyrad: grubconf? you got that from universe didn't you :)
[10:41] <steve__> well, I have a fairly new computer, what woudl you recommend
[10:41] <jeyrad> yes, i got kde
[10:42] <mjt> farruinn: but i don't run gnome
[10:42] <steve__> If i close thelid, the screen goes off, but it is still running
[10:42] <jeyrad> kde and all those other things with it :P
[10:42] <topyli> jeyrad: i guess you need to enable root then
[10:42] <farruinn> mjt: it's probably used by gnome applications
[10:42] <jeyrad> how do?
[10:42] <larsrohdin> anyone?
[10:42] <jeyrad> ;p;
[10:42] <steve__> any ideas bas
[10:43] <Sav> mcphail, i just want to mount the iso, not convrt it, its a SVCD movie so i wanna be able to mount it and then look at it =)
[10:43] <nakeee> is there a list of packages in ubuntu somewhere?
[10:43] <topyli> Ensiferum: you should try and find what gdm runs when you choose fluxbox. in /etc/gdm/sessions or something
[10:43] <Sav> mcphail, what is nautilius?
[10:43] <mcphail> Sav: mounting an iso is easy. Mounting cue/bin is not
[10:43] <Sav> ok
[10:44] <topyli> jeyrad: sudo passwd root
[10:44] <bas> steve__, i think it just starts xscreensaver or sth like that, not sure how it works on ubuntu..
[10:44] <Slaven> I use bchunk to convert bin/cue -> iso and isodump to convert img -> iso
[10:45] <steve__> I am using ACPI, what would you propose
[10:45] <farruinn> nakeee: you could browse archive.ubuntulinux.org or use 'apt-cache search'
[10:45] <Slaven> there are several other programs out there for the different formats
[10:45] <farruinn> nakeee: however apt-cache search will only search the repositories you have enabled
[10:45] <topyli> Sav: nautilus is the gnome file manager
[10:45] <evarlast> is it me or does buzilla.ubuntu.com not work?  or does it only accept bugs for certain packages?
[10:46] <jeyrad> thank you topyli
[10:46] <mjt> ugh. gconfd-2, dbus-daemon-1, ...  what is all that nonsense?  and what it is doing here?  Which apps insists on starting these?
[10:46] <topyli> jeyrad: have you rooted your own box now? :)
[10:46] <jeyrad> yes
[10:46] <jeyrad> :P
[10:46] <topyli> bloody crackers ;)
[10:46] <Ensiferum> topyli: .xsession does not get read
[10:47] <evarlast> mjt: those are pretty core apps to gnome.  They are supposed to be running.
[10:48] <mjt> ok, i found where dbus is started (dunno why, but found it) - /etc/init.d/dbus-1
[10:48] <mjt> but i can't find who starts gconfd
[10:48] <topyli> Ensiferum: have a look around /etc/gdm, it might have its own idea what to run
[10:48] <thelusiv> anybody here use an envy24 chipset sound card with ubuntu?
[10:48] <Sav> topyli, how should i type to see contens in a windows share with user/pass protection in nautilius then?
[10:48] <Ensiferum> topyli: allready did
[10:48] <Ensiferum> didnt find anything
[10:49] <morchuboo> mjt: gconfd makes all your gnomesettings available to applications and dbus is a messaging system that allows differnent programs to talk to each other
[10:49] <topyli> Sav: Computer -> network
[10:49] <topyli> from the menu
[10:50] <topyli> Ensiferum: on debian, i used to have a gdm option of "Xsession". i think it's gone :(
[10:50] <morchuboo> mjt: dbus is started from init when the system starts
[10:50] <nakeee> what's restricted?
[10:51] <farruinn> mjt: if you open any gnome app, eg nautilus, gedit, evolution, it will probably start gconfd
[10:51] <farruinn> mjt: use gconf-editor to find out what uses gconf
[10:51] <topyli> nakeee: non-free kernel modules and other questionable stuff
[10:52] <Ensiferum> topyli: theres something in /etc/X11/Xsession.d, any idea if i could create a file similar to 55gnome-session_gnomerc there?
[10:52] <mjt> lol. i don't have any of that stuff installed ;)
[10:52] <morchuboo> nakeee: things like the nvidia kernel module
[10:52] <Ensiferum> as in "if (fluxbox) source /~.fluxrc or something..
[10:52] <topyli> mjt: yeah, i also bought my hardware prudently :)
[10:52] <mjt> no nautilus, no evo, no gedit, no gconf...
[10:53] <_slice_> you have gnome and no nautilus and no gconf ?
[10:53] <morchuboo> mjt: so you not running gnome?
[10:53] <topyli> Ensiferum: yeah, it might respect it
[10:54] <mjt> i don't run gnome. pure X only.
[10:54] <evarlast> mjt: lol, Pure X eh??? so only twm and xterm :)
[10:54] <nakeee> mjt no window manager??
[10:54] <mjt> well, it's icewm
[10:54] <mjt> was twm before
[10:54] <chillywilly> is it Hoard Hedgehog?
[10:54] <chillywilly> Hoary
[10:55] <nakeee> mjr: so you are contaminated:)
[10:55] <mjt> i hate when i don't have control over my machine
[10:55] <mjt> contami.. what? ;)
[10:56] <mjt> hmm.. by what?
[10:56] <mjt> by gnome stuff which is running without my intention maybe? ;)
[10:57] <topyli> mjt: your x is not pure. you run icewm when there's twm which comes with x itself :)
[10:57] <chillywilly> twm sucks
[10:57] <mjt> i was running twm for a long time, switched to icewm about nov-2004
[10:57] <mjt> twm worked quite nicely.. after alot of tweaking
[10:57] <farruinn> icewm reminds me way too much of Winblows 95
[10:58] <farruinn> flux is rather nice
[10:58] <topyli> i've seen very nice twm setups
[10:58] <mjt> my .xdefaults was about 20Kb due to twm stuff
[10:58] <estebandido> question - what does it mean that i can see my wireless router, but not the internet?
[10:59] <topyli> mjt: i believe you with no hesitation :)
[11:00] <mcphail> estebandido: you probably haven't set the router as your gateway
[11:00] <estebandido> how do i do that?
[11:00] <estebandido> it worked a couple of hours ago
[11:00] <topyli> it really sucks when there's TWO things not working at the same time  >_<
[11:01] <blk> does it make sense to install the dri-trunk-modules over the standard Xorg ones? in debian (XF) it was a big performance enhancement..
[11:01] <mcphail> estebandido: man ifconfig
[11:01] <estebandido> tnx
[11:02] <regeya> okay, I'm attempting to install warty on a g4 with a sonnet ultra ata-133 card; installation gets as far as copying everything over, setting up yaboot, adn rebooting, but the kernel panics, unable to find anything on /
[11:03] <regeya> any wild ideas?
[11:03] <neighborlee> http://www.novell.com/linux/windowstolinux/publicservice/ < this is off topic but its real cute and worth watching ;-))
[11:03] <klaym> does kernel panic mean that something about the code is screwed?
[11:03] <neighborlee> yes its at least linux related ;-)
[11:03] <evarlast> regeya: is it using initrd, and does it need the driver for that ata-133 card in the initrd?
[11:04] <regeya> excellent question!  darn if I know. :-(
[11:04] <regeya> hang on...
[11:04] <evarlast> regeya: can you shift-pgup to scroll up the kernel screen and see if it actually sees the disks?
[11:04] <blk> klaym: mostly it's about the user who screwed something
[11:05] <regeya> y'know, evarlast, I was having trouble finding this info, but not now.  I think I see the solution, evarlast.  Thanks, though.
[11:05] <regeya> appears that the driver isn't included.
[11:05] <mjt> after oops, shif-pgup does not work anymore in 2.6 (worked in 2.4(
[11:06] <regeya> cannot open dev/console
[11:06] <evarlast> regeya: but that is fixable.
[11:07] <klaym> blk: ok
[11:07] <klaym> so it isn't the kernel that panics but the user
[11:07] <evarlast> klaym: ha!  I sometimes panic when I see a kernel panic :)
[11:08] <regeya> evarlast: well, have you got any ideas on that?  I'm sitting here with an unbootable machine, and I'm having a major brainfart moment (which is why I juwst ran to #ubuntu and asked.)  Sorry for not thinking it through, though to tell the truth it's a production fileserver and I thionk I'm entitled to panic ;-)
[11:08] <iapx8088> regeya, what's up
[11:09] <Chest> can you manuall install packages off the Ubuntu installation cd
[11:09] <Chest> ?
[11:09] <klaym> I have never experienced a kernel panic. how does it happen?
[11:09] <Ensiferum> humm.. someone know how to either how to apply the settings that i have set in gnome for like GTK/icons and such when i run fluxbox.
[11:09] <regeya> iapx8088: seems the ubuntu install CD recognizes my Sonnet Tempo Ultra ATA 133 card, but the driver isn't being loaded at boot.
[11:09] <Ensiferum> or then if i have to set them manually, how to do it
[11:09] <evarlast> regeya: I would boot the CD again, drop to command prompt after it mounts the mount points to /target, chroot to /target, and checkout /boot.  see if there is an initrd image there, and verify that grub is using it.  are you even using grub on a ppc?
[11:09] <Ensiferum> :p
[11:09] <klaym> is it the same as windows crashing?
[11:09] <regeya> evarlast: the installer is using yaboot.
[11:09] <mjt> er it's quite difficult to follow all these discussions going on in parallel...
[11:10] <iapx8088> regeya, so kernel panic root not found?
[11:10] <evarlast> i don't know yaboot well enough to give you good advice.
[11:11] <chillywilly> hmmm, this live cd is running at a really crummy low resolution
[11:11] <chillywilly> and it took forever to boot up
[11:11] <regeya> well, iapx8088, actually it panics because it can't find dev/copnsole. :-}
[11:11] <iapx8088> mh I see
[11:11] <mjt> that's.. problematic
[11:12] <iapx8088> regeya, can't help at once
[11:12] <mjt> looks like it isn't using initrd at all
[11:12] <regeya> I have an idea
[11:12] <chillywilly> 640x480
[11:12] <chillywilly> yuck
[11:12] <mjt> or the initrd isn't set up properly
[11:13] <nicedreams> Anyone know when the Ubuntu / Nvidia problem is going to be fixed?
[11:13] <chillywilly> this is not impressive
[11:13] <topyli> chillywilly: i got that on a box at work too. the real installation is still beautiful, it's a different system
[11:14] <iapx8088> nicedreams, which one?
[11:14] <nicedreams> the problem where it hard locks your system
[11:14] <nicedreams> i've googled for over a month
[11:14] <iapx8088> my nvidia drivers are working perfecly
[11:14] <iapx8088> nicedreams, never happened
[11:14] <nicedreams> and people have problems with nvidia and ubuntu
[11:14] <nicedreams> can you run open gl games without hard locking the system?
[11:14] <topyli> they do?
[11:14] <chillywilly> this system has nvidia onboard graphics
[11:14] <iapx8088> nicedreams, didn't try, glxgears runs fine
[11:14] <EfaistOs> is there a backport of rhythmbox ?
[11:15] <nicedreams> any time you run a real opengl app it locks the system
[11:15] <nicedreams> using the real nvidia drivers though
[11:15] <_slice_> there must be
[11:15] <nicedreams> the ubuntu nvidia doesn't let you play games
[11:15] <_slice_> there's no such thing as the ubuntu nvidia
[11:15] <chillywilly> NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX - nForce GPU] 
[11:15] <nicedreams> nvidia-glx?
[11:15] <_slice_> it's nvidia's binary driver, same for all
[11:15] <topyli> nicedreams: ubuntu is for hard-working company people only :)
[11:15] <ixion83> what about KDE-Ubuntu ?
[11:15] <nicedreams> topyli, that makes no since
[11:16] <Slaven> wtf?
[11:16] <Chest> is universe & multiverse a Ubuntu thing or an apt-get term?
[11:16] <topyli> nicedreams: no gaming ;)
[11:16] <iapx8088> Chest, ubuntu
[11:16] <Chest> ok
[11:16] <nicedreams> a linux box you can't game on doesn't seem like a good distro then
[11:16] <chillywilly> well I guess I still take a stab at installing Hoary :)
[11:16] <chillywilly> bbiab
[11:16] <nicedreams> i was just wondering if they are going to fix the problem though
[11:17] <nicedreams> or if they even know there is a problem
[11:17] <iapx8088> uh I know why
[11:18] <topyli> nicedreams: you should file a bug. you might have a rare combination of harware since it's working for many others
[11:18] <nicedreams> topyli, i'll file a bug then.  if you google "ubuntu nvidia crash" you'll see a lot of people with the same problem
[11:18] <iapx8088> ahz
[11:18] <iapx8088> I lost my 3d accelleration after the suspend
[11:19] <iapx8088> shit
[11:19] <iapx8088> as I don't play, no problem :)
[11:19] <topyli> nicedreams: then there might be a bug report already. check first, don't make a 20th duplicate :)
[11:19] <nicedreams> topyli, is it in the wiki or main site?
[11:19] <topyli> bugzilla
[11:20] <nicedreams> k
[11:20] <nicedreams> thx
[11:20] <topyli> they do want to know :)
[11:20] <Chest> can someone explain the diff between universe, main, and multiverse?
[11:21] <topyli> Chest: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[11:21] <Chest> thanks
[11:22] <pvh> How can I synchonize my laptop and desktop in linux?
[11:22] <topyli> nicedreams: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[11:22] <pvh> I don't want to have to worry about where my email/homework is.
[11:22] <nicedreams> topyli, i found it..  :)
[11:23] <topyli> nicedreams: was just surfing so... ;)
[11:23] <mmoyer> phv, look at rsync
[11:23] <topyli> pvh: i sync my work/home desktops with unison
[11:23] <pvh> mmoyer, topyli: thanks, i'll look at both
[11:23] <pvh> i also would like to mount my ~ on my laptop when it's availalbe
[11:23] <dataw0lf> I'm having a problem with gmplayer.
[11:24] <dataw0lf> mplayer plays video fine, but when I use gmplayer it seems to auto 'fast forward' with no sound.
[11:24] <pvh> er, desktop/~ in laptop/~/desktop
[11:24] <dataw0lf> any ideas ?
[11:24] <pvh> i'm not sure that's even coherant
[11:24] <topyli> pvh: i mount my home box from work over ssh simply with nautilus
[11:24] <tim1> to anybody official from the ubuntu team: i created a wiki page (https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LinuxTag), to ask whether ubuntu might have official presence at LinuxTag 2005, and for users to organize their visit, but i got no feedback, is nobody interested in this?
[11:25] <mjt> is gmplayer supported at all?  Mplayer folks says something in a line with "don't use gmplayer"
[11:25] <pvh> topyli: I'll try it.
[11:25] <jan__> hi
[11:25] <jan__> I have a canon powershot digital camera
[11:25] <_slice_> congratulations
[11:25] <jan__> how can I use it as a mass storage device?
[11:26] <Chest> Can you use apt-get to search/verify if a package is installed?
[11:26] <_slice_> mass being 1gig ?
[11:26] <mjt> if it IS masstorage, you should be able to use it
[11:26] <jan__> I dont't want always to use gtkam ...
[11:26] <_slice_> you can turn the auto open of gtkam off
[11:26] <jan__> because there's no icon on desktop when i put it in
[11:27] <_slice_> yeah
[11:27] <_slice_> it just let's you grab your files off the camera
[11:27] <jan__> so I have to make an entry in fstab?
[11:27] <_slice_> you using normal mode or the ptp mode ?
[11:27] <mjt> ptp?
[11:27] <tim1> jan__: do you use warty or hoary?
[11:27] <jan__> hm ptp I think
[11:28] <jan__> warty @ tim1
[11:28] <jan__> (spricht jemand deutsch?)
[11:28] <tim1> jep ich
[11:28] <jan__> :)
[11:28] <_slice_> i forget what it's called exactly... ptp maybe... it's a file transfer protocol
[11:28] <mjt> so it's not an usb device?
[11:28] <tim1> kann dir aber leider auch nicht helfen
[11:28] <_slice_> canon's own i think
[11:28] <_slice_> yes, it's a usb device
[11:28] <jan__> hmm
[11:28] <_slice_> it's a camera
[11:29] <mjt> (there are some (probably old) cameras that works using serial port)
[11:29] <_slice_> so it's fully technically possible to write to the cf card
[11:29] <jan__> I want to browse in nautilus and view the pictures
[11:29] <jan__> but without using gtkam ...
[11:29] <_slice_> can't you just open nautilus on the folder you transfer the pics too ?
[11:29] <_slice_> grab them off the cam and then browse?
[11:29] <mjt> does it gets recognized as usb mass-storage device? eg, in /proc/bus/usb/devices ?
[11:30] <mjt> (as the first step)
[11:30] <topyli> pvh: run sshd on the desktop, you can connect to it with anything then. nautilus, unison, ssh, sftp
[11:31] <topyli> pvh: i run putty on my phone and i'm home :)
[11:31] <jan__> can't I make a folder eg. /media/camera
[11:31] <_slice_> mjt: yes
[11:31] <jan__> and in fstab /dev/sda#
[11:32] <jan__> but what device do I have to choose in fstab?
[11:32] <_slice_> Seq:  Manufacturer=Canon Inc.
[11:32] <_slice_> Seq:  Product=Canon Digital Camera
[11:32] <_slice_> recognized fine in /proc/bus/usb/devices
[11:32] <jan__> sda is my externel usb storage and not my camera ...
[11:32] <_slice_> jan__: i don't think you need to do that
[11:32] <mjt> heh. now that's a good question for udev/hotplug folks
[11:32] <pvh> topyli: Your phone has putty? Man, that's pimp.
[11:33] <pvh> topyli: phone hacking is so on my todo list.
[11:33] <jan__> _slice_: but what's another method to browse my pictures in nautilus?
[11:33] <mjt> ie, if this usb device is "Canon digital camera", make it in /dev/camera
[11:33] <topyli> pvh: there's putty for symbian. i run nethack too :)
[11:33] <zeff> what kernel are you using, my USB camer has not worked since the the 2.6.6 kernel due to bugs in the USB modules
[11:33] <mjt> which bugs?
[11:33] <_slice_> jan__: well, for sure you can just import the photos and browse the folder you import to....
[11:34] <pvh> topyli: Okay, that's just goofy. Unless you have a screen that can do 80x24
[11:34] <netdur> firefox 1.0 (hoary) doesn't render unicode well, (mozilla works fine)
[11:34] <topyli> pvh: it's an old nokia communicator
[11:34] <mjt> there was some usb breakage in 2.6.8 which was corrected in 2.6.10
[11:34] <pvh> topyli: not familiar with it
[11:34] <topyli> pvh: big screen, full keyboard
[11:34] <_slice_> Linux serenity 2.6.8.1-4-686 #1 Fri Jan 14 11:26:38 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:34] <pvh> topyli: nice
[11:34] <pvh> topyli: very nice
[11:34] <_slice_> canon s45 works fine
[11:34] <_slice_> warty
[11:34] <zeff> I don't know specifically, have not looked that far but it stopped working a while ago and when searched google found it was not the only one.  It only affects some devices.
[11:35] <mjt> warty kernel contains quite some fixes in usb area i think'
[11:35] <zeff> I have been using an old Knoppix live CD while I wait for 2.6 get sorted out
[11:35] <topyli> pvh: http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,1522,,00.html?orig=/phones/9210/ . they sell them for about EUR 100 now, second hand
[11:35] <mjt> and it *should* work with 2.6.10
[11:36] <pvh> topyli: Really? That's worth looking into... I wonder if it would work on my network.
[11:37] <topyli> pvh: it works over the internet, has wap and http browsers and email
[11:37] <zeff> I have not tried 2.6.10 yet but 2.6.8 and 2.6.9 are no good for my sony camera
[11:38] <pvh> topyli: No, I meant my cell network. I don't think it will, sadly.
[11:38] <pvh> topyli: I live in the cell-challenged part of th ewor
[11:38] <pvh> topyli: the world.
[11:38] <topyli> pvh: probably not
[11:38] <mjt> jan__: if your /proc/bus/usb/devices entry for your camera lists usb-storage as a driver, it should be available as /dev/sdX1 as msdos filesystem. which X in sdX is really depends, there are ways to make it persistent using udev rules (/etc/udev.d/) but i'm not an expert here
[11:38] <topyli> pvh: it's also not very linux-friendly :(
[11:39] <iapx8088> ok now hibernate and resume works flawlessy
[11:39] <mjt> heh
[11:39] <iapx8088> not bad considering we are on a farly new pc
[11:39] <iapx8088> laptop
[11:39] <Jon> hi all. using the warty livecd. added a network connection using the Computer -> System Configuration -> Networking tool. that worked but as a side-effect I can't spawn any X windows anymore. XFree86.0.log reports 'client X rejected from local host'. Any advice?
[11:39] <iapx8088> xhost -
[11:40] <iapx8088> +
[11:40] <iapx8088> sorrt
[11:40] <jan__> mjt: sdX1 is my external ushb storage (not camera)
[11:40] <iapx8088> said that
[11:40] <iapx8088> I'll go having a couple of drinks
[11:40] <iapx8088> and some chicks
[11:40] <iapx8088> have phun, guys
[11:40] <Jon> xhost was re: me? no dice unfortunately, that client rejected too
[11:40] <Jon> cheers anyway, see you
[11:40] <chillywilly> hey ppl I have ubuntu installed now but still running at that really low res
[11:40] <mjt> i wish linux can hibernate on my via-c3-based system as good as winxp does that...  (c3 processor lacks pse or pse36 support)
[11:41] <iapx8088> mjt here we have a centrino dothan and nvidia adapter and with hoary is doing just fine
[11:41] <chillywilly> how can I setup nvidia w/ ubuntu?
[11:41] <bruce_> Hallo
[11:41] <Jon> hi
[11:41] <iapx8088> bye all
[11:41] <Jon> cya
[11:41] <bruce_> english or german chanel?
[11:41] <darkx> chillywilly, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx i think
[11:42] <chillywilly> darkx: ok
[11:42] <bruce_> how can i change my aplication database?
[11:43] <chillywilly> I don't ever remember setting a root password
[11:43] <chillywilly> during the install
[11:43] <Jon> afaik you didn't
[11:43] <Jon> but your user has sudo accses
[11:43] <bruce_> ;)
[11:43] <Jon> bruce_: repositories?
[11:43] <Jon> bruce_: /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:43] <darkx> if you need root i think you can sudo passwd root
[11:43] <darkx> :x
[11:44] <topyli> pvh: by cell-challenged part of the world do you mean america? the 9210 has a sister, 9290 for americans. same phone, different network
[11:44] <chillywilly> so no root user is the ubuntu way? ;)
[11:44] <pvh> topyli: I live in the Americas, but I'm no American.
[11:44] <darkx> well you can have set the root password if you want
[11:45] <topyli> pvh: yeah, but you don't have gsm?
[11:45] <pvh> topyli: Harrum... Not sure. I'm not much of a cellgeek.
[11:46] <bruce_> @ Jon thx im trying
[11:46] <topyli> pvh: what i know i always have to leave my phone home when i cross the pond :(
[11:46] <Xappe> they've gsm 1800 in the states I think
[11:46] <akurashy> i installed an eggdrop i cant find the config and i cant run it because it says is not root O_o
[11:47] <bruce_> @ jon it's not what i mean... I mean hm not shure if it's called mime type.
[11:47] <Jon> hm I couldn't find anything in faq or wiki for my X auth problem, but I'd be amazed if nobody had suffered before
[11:47] <chillywilly> do I need to configure X to use this nvidia driver just like I do under normal debian?
[11:47] <chillywilly> debian sid that is
[11:47] <Xappe> chilly, yes
[11:48] <bruce_> I wan't to do: open file with other aplication
[11:48] <Slaven> hm.
[11:48] <bruce_> and then i got this error message: Could not add application to the application database
[11:48] <Slaven> how do I get rox icons on *box?
[11:48] <Jon> bruce_: aah I see
[11:49] <bruce_> if i run nautilus under sudo i can do...
[11:49] <bruce_> and it ads my choosen aplication to the right click menu... so next time i can easy chose...
[11:49] <bruce_> but if im not root i can't
[11:49] <Jon> when you run an application on the ubuntu/warty livecd, where does stderr output go? I'd normally check .xsession-errors but it doesn't exist.
[11:50] <Jon> bruce_: sorry, I don't know
[11:51] <unperson> When I try to run mplayer from the command line, it quits before displaying anything and says "Illegal instruction".  Any idea what this means?  The last line of output before that is "Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf", is it just that this file has an error?
[11:52] <unperson> (mainly I'm asking here because this is the mplayer-custom multiverse package)
[11:52] <biezt> how do i edit a text file which can only be edited from the root ?
[11:52] <biezt> which commando to start text editor ?
[11:53] <unperson> biezt, sudo gedit [file] 
[11:53] <unperson> At least if you want to edit it in X.
[11:54] <ions> My Mom got sent some stupid video of a chimp peeing in his own mouth.  Problem is it won't work on her Ubuntu install but works fine on my Gentoo install.  Yes, I have installed xine-ui, win32codecs and gstreamer0.8-plugins
[11:54] <ions> it's an mpeg
[11:54] <Jon> try running file on it, see if that tells you more about the exact details (e.g. MPEG1,2,4?)
[11:55] <ions> $ file Whyyoushouldneverkissaboy.mpeg
[11:55] <ions> Whyyoushouldneverkissaboy.mpeg: data
[11:55] <bruce_> @ jon i found something http://www.elyps.de/guide.html#changedefaultfiletypeprogram
[11:56] <Jon> ions: ok sounds corrupted. md5sums for gentoo machine copy match the ubuntu machine copy
[11:56] <Jon> ?
[11:56] <ions> yeah it's the same file
[11:56] <ions> I scp'd it over
[11:56] <Jon> I've had scp corrupt stuff before... sorry, no further ideas
[11:57] <ions> I scp'd it from her box to mine and it worked on mine