YokoZar | haggai: ping? | 12:08 |
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sladen | sivang: grep name /proc/cpuinfo | 12:10 |
sivang | model name : Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 1.80GHz | 12:11 |
sladen | sivang: grep -c flags.*est /proc/cpuinfo | 12:12 |
sivang | 0 | 12:13 |
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pvh | Why is the resume= option needed for disksuspend not included in the menu.lst on laptops? | 12:31 |
mdz | pvh: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5230 | 12:32 |
YokoZar | mdz: are you interested in signing my GPG key? | 12:33 |
sladen | pvh: if mjg59's patches went in, you should be able to do it by echo'ing > /proc/...something | 12:37 |
pvh | sladen: It's a bit messy at the moment, isn't it? | 12:38 |
dholbach | does anyone have an idea, how i could debug a umount-of-a-fat32-partition-that-completely-kills-the-system? | 12:38 |
pvh | sladen: Someone else was telling me to use /sys/power/state | 12:38 |
pvh | sladen: And some of the documentation talks about /proc/acpi/event | 12:38 |
dholbach | bye guys... i'm off to bed | 12:43 |
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Mithrandir | mdz? | 12:44 |
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sladen | pvh: (1) ACPI events (power-button-press). (2) cause the system to enter the state (hibernate). (3) onto the device selected (>/proc/power/resume) Which bit do you feel is unneccessaryily messy? | 12:47 |
pvh | sladen: Mm, no it's not messy in that sense. I don't mean to insult. | 12:47 |
pvh | sladen: It's just that there are still lots of obsolete ways left in. | 12:48 |
pvh | sladen: I think that a little bit of Hoary targeted documentation would resolve the situation. | 12:49 |
sladen | pvh: I doubt anyone is insulted. How do you feel it could be improved? | 12:49 |
pvh | sladen: Once I've figured all the steps out, I might be able to supply a first-pass at that. | 12:49 |
pvh | sladen: Unless there's already some good documentation out there that I've missed? | 12:50 |
pvh | sladen: The wiki stuff is targeted to 2.4 kernels. | 12:51 |
sladen | kinnison: your P4 appears to share the characteristics of sivangs; does the -smi fallback fix^W work? | 12:51 |
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bluefoxicy | anyone wanna show me a walkthrough for building an official amd64 generic here? | 12:59 |
bluefoxicy | uri or whatever | 12:59 |
bluefoxicy | I tried on my own but i wound up with a kernel package which didn't actually install anything in /boot | 12:59 |
bluefoxicy | (using make-kpkg) | 01:00 |
lamont | bluefoxicy: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10; dpkg-buildpackage | 01:11 |
bluefoxicy | lamont: nothing I have to touch around there? | 01:11 |
lamont | don't think so... | 01:11 |
bluefoxicy | i.e. to put out another release or another arch or such | 01:11 |
lamont | assuming the kernel you want to build is one of the flavors found in the archive, dpkg-buildpackage will build it... | 01:12 |
lamont | along with the others, mind you. | 01:12 |
bluefoxicy | I'm trying to gauge if I'd be able to maintain grsecurity sources for amd64 | 01:12 |
bluefoxicy | I can patch the thing easy (2 misses, 1 is relavent 1 is just makefile EXTRAVERSION) | 01:12 |
bluefoxicy | err, *kernels | 01:12 |
bluefoxicy | pitti's got a few experimental ones up for x86 | 01:13 |
bluefoxicy | but none for amd64 | 01:13 |
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AndyR | hi all | 01:15 |
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bluefoxicy | until ubuntu *cough* actually picks up grsecurity (possible? maybe, maybe not), I've got two choices: build my own directly (I can do that), or build my own packages (I can't do that). The latter provides a better learning experience; I can build kernels by hand with my eyes closed. | 01:15 |
bluefoxicy | (hopefully so can everyone else here) | 01:16 |
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jdub | bluefoxicy: building kernel packages is easy, see kernel-package | 01:19 |
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sivang | I'm dead tired, good night freedom lovers! :) | 01:31 |
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Mitario | hi everyone | 01:58 |
jdub | when using debmirror, will the target directory end up being $ROOT/{dists,pool} | 02:12 |
jdub | or have dists/pool in it | 02:13 |
jdub | directly | 02:13 |
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jdub | n/m, appears to put {dists,pool} directly | 02:20 |
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sladen | wow, this looks *nice*: http://www.ubuntu-fr.org/ | 03:36 |
macewan | ubuntu frog? | 03:53 |
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zul | crunchy frog | 04:58 |
lamont | sladen: looks very french. :-) | 05:02 |
macewan | rather elegant layout. easy on the eyes & pleasant. | 05:04 |
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lamont | yes. even with my poor-to-nonexistant french, it looks nice | 05:12 |
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tseng | looks nice besides the nipples-of-doom shot | 06:03 |
wasabi | heh. somebody just gave me the crazy idea of putting .torrent files in apt | 06:03 |
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dholbach | morning | 07:07 |
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dholbach | hmmm, i thought my unmount-vfat--system-crash was related to autofs and i solved it that way.... but unfortunately - it's still there - hmmmmmmmm | 07:27 |
sivang | morning all | 07:38 |
dholbach | hi sivang :-) | 07:42 |
sivang | dholbach: hey daniel | 07:43 |
dholbach | sivan, how are you? | 07:45 |
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sabdfl | hi guys, what's our best answer for wifi network selection from the desktop? | 07:50 |
sabdfl | in hoary | 07:50 |
jdub | sabdfl: install netapplet | 07:52 |
jdub | sabdfl: it's not on-by-default yet | 07:52 |
sabdfl | jdub: is that what we plan to make on-by-default? | 07:52 |
jdub | for hoary, yeah | 07:53 |
jdub | it's only just been appletised | 07:53 |
sabdfl | cool, thanks | 07:53 |
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dholbach | bye, i'm out... running | 07:56 |
sabdfl | elmo: good work on the universe / multiverse sync | 07:59 |
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sivang | rehi sabdfl :) | 08:23 |
sabdfl | hey sivang | 08:23 |
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dholbach | re | 08:54 |
jdub | hrm | 08:55 |
jdub | how do you get the installer stuff with debmirror? | 08:55 |
jdub | aha, figured it out | 09:00 |
jdub | sections should include main/debian-installer,restricted/debian-installer | 09:00 |
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jdub | daniels: around? | 09:50 |
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Treenaks | hm, tsclient displays a localized banner, using gtk_get_default_language() to get the locale | 09:58 |
Treenaks | but the banner contains text, and gtk_get_default_language() returns the wrong part of my locale for that (i.e. not LC_MESSAGES) | 09:59 |
Treenaks | Where's the bug? tsclient or gtk/pango? | 09:59 |
Treenaks | I'd say GTK (it returns LC_CTYPE, not LC_MESSAGES).. | 10:04 |
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dholbach | re | 10:08 |
dholbach | would anyone sponsor me a bluefish-1.0 upload? | 10:15 |
jdub | daniels: http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~chak/linux/c400.html#xfree86 | 10:17 |
amu | dholbach: url? | 10:18 |
dholbach | amu: deb-src http://ubuntu.gplan.info hoary main (although i should change main to universe or something) :-)) | 10:19 |
mdz | morning | 10:22 |
sivang | morning mdz | 10:23 |
fabbione | morning | 10:30 |
sivang | morning fabbione, how do you feel? | 10:31 |
fabbione | trashed | 10:32 |
fabbione | yesterday they managed to drag me out of the house with a really fancy excuse... and organized a surprise bachelor party | 10:32 |
Treenaks | what was the excuse? ;) | 10:33 |
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fabbione | installing ubuntu sparc in a telco datacenter | 10:33 |
Treenaks | LOL | 10:33 |
fabbione | i couldn't resist the amount of nice hardware they put in the list | 10:33 |
Treenaks | jdub: a link from that page (http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/welcome.html) would likely make my winmodem work :) thanks! :) | 10:35 |
Treenaks | (hm, no, 2.4 only) | 10:36 |
infinity | fabbione : That's some excuse. :) | 10:37 |
dholbach | fabbione: you have an idea, what could cause umount -ing a vfat partition to kill the whole system? or how i could debug it? | 10:39 |
fabbione | dholbach: #5431 | 10:39 |
dholbach | oh ok *has a look* | 10:39 |
dholbach | funnily enough, if i did it in the console and stopped gnome-related processes, i could umount it flawlessly | 10:41 |
dholbach | but both times (according to lsof) no processes had open files on it | 10:41 |
fabbione | dholbach: the "open files" are in the kernel | 10:43 |
fabbione | you don't see them in lsof | 10:43 |
dholbach | aha... ok | 10:43 |
fabbione | mdz: confirmed.. it works perfectly with growisofs :-) | 10:45 |
mdz | fabbione: yes, someone should mail its author about the silly name | 10:46 |
fabbione | or we can just ln -sf growisofs irockondvds | 10:48 |
jdub | is growisofs generally better than cdrecord? | 10:48 |
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fabbione | no correction.. | 10:48 |
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jdub | aha | 10:50 |
jdub | bong | 10:50 |
jdub | Package: sl-modem-daemon | 10:50 |
jdub | Depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.8), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), debconf, sl-modem-modules-new | sl-modem-source (>> 2.9.6-1) | kernel-image-2.6 | 10:50 |
jdub | *kernel*-image | 10:50 |
Treenaks | jdub: scary | 10:51 |
sivang | Treenaks: that's a link to a webserver on my former uni :) how did you come by it? | 10:51 |
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Treenaks | sivang: the page jdub pasted had a link to it :) | 10:51 |
sivang | Treenaks: ah cool. *searching the backlog* | 10:51 |
jdub | hrm | 10:54 |
Treenaks | slmodem is scary | 10:54 |
jdub | can you use globs/regexps in Depends package *names*? | 10:54 |
jdub | mdz, fabbione: ^ | 10:55 |
Treenaks | jdub: linux-image-2.6.[0-9] + ? ;) | 10:55 |
fabbione | jdub: put down the pipe man... | 10:55 |
jdub | fabbione: i know :-) | 10:56 |
jdub | but | 10:56 |
mdz | jdub: BONG | 10:56 |
jdub | we don't have a metapackage that is cpu independent | 10:56 |
jdub | so i'm stuck depending on linux-image-386 and -686 and -k7 and -386-smp and -686-smp and -k7-smp and any future ones :) | 10:57 |
fabbione | hmm | 10:57 |
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fabbione | Package: linux-image-2.6.10-3-386 | 10:57 |
fabbione | Provides: linux-image, linux-image-2.6 | 10:58 |
fabbione | that's all you need | 10:58 |
fabbione | and it's there already | 10:58 |
jdub | och | 10:58 |
jdub | good point | 10:58 |
jdub | thank you fabio | 10:58 |
jdub | it is not even late :) | 10:58 |
fabbione | so you can just Depends: linux-image-2.6 | linux-image-whatever-real-package | 10:58 |
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jdub | do i have to | it with a real package? | 10:59 |
fabbione | yes | 10:59 |
fabbione | or the other way around | 10:59 |
fabbione | check with lintian | 10:59 |
infinity | The other way around. | 11:07 |
infinity | Though, it's pretty sick to be depeding on a kernel image at all. | 11:07 |
infinity | jdub : Why is that necessary? | 11:08 |
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jdub | infinity: alsa driver in 2.6 instead of driver module provided | 11:13 |
infinity | Yeah, I read the package description. I'm still not convinced it's necessary. :) | 11:14 |
infinity | Especially since "linux-image-2.6" could have anything builtin, including no sound support. | 11:14 |
infinity | ARGH. | 11:26 |
infinity | How does one stop CVS from doing keyword expansion? | 11:26 |
infinity | It just destroyed a massive patch. | 11:26 |
Treenaks | infinity: I think it was something with -k and cvs admin | 11:29 |
Treenaks | 1 mom | 11:29 |
Treenaks | + | 11:30 |
Treenaks | infinity: https://www.cvshome.org/docs/manual/cvs-1.11.19/cvs_12.html#SEC97 | 11:32 |
Treenaks | https://www.cvshome.org/docs/manual/cvs-1.11.19/cvs_12.html#SEC100 even | 11:32 |
infinity | Thanks. | 11:38 |
infinity | Oh, thank god it's recoverable. I didn't want to redo that patch.. | 11:42 |
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dholbach | hi seb128 | 11:51 |
seb128 | morning | 11:51 |
sivang | seb128: morning | 11:51 |
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dholbach | jdub, seb128: gtkmm2.4-2.5.5 just hit debian experimental :-D | 11:57 |
seb128 | yeah, I know | 11:59 |
seb128 | jdub: what's going on with beagle ? | 12:06 |
jdub | got a prelim package without any depends :) | 12:06 |
jdub | haven't spent much time on it since last weekend | 12:07 |
seb128 | k | 12:07 |
seb128 | jdub: and about *mm, is that ok to sync 2.5.n ? | 12:08 |
mvo_ | jdub: when is feature freeze? at monday or after monday :) ? | 12:09 |
jdub | how much stuff will that break in universe? :) | 12:09 |
jdub | mvo_: wednesday | 12:09 |
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mvo_ | jdub: ah, misread the schedule. thanks | 12:11 |
jdub | yes, current format makes that confusing | 12:11 |
seb128 | jdub: gtkmm is in main, but since that's a GNOME stuff, for the freeze ... the breaking part is probably not an issue, the is not a ton of rdepends and dholbach has runned a part of them and that's fine | 12:11 |
jdub | seb128: ok | 12:11 |
jdub | seb128: (i am being abruti about C++ :-) | 12:12 |
seb128 | jdub: should I mail matt/you about this ? | 12:12 |
seb128 | ah ah | 12:12 |
jdub | nah, go ahead | 12:12 |
seb128 | k, thanks | 12:13 |
dholbach | jdub: what does abruti mean? :-) | 12:13 |
jdub | dholbach: it's french for meathead. | 12:14 |
jdub | kind of | 12:14 |
jdub | seb was being very mean to me one day ;) | 12:14 |
dholbach | abruti... sounds... erm ... nice :-) | 12:15 |
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jdub | oh man | 12:18 |
jdub | hrm | 12:19 |
amu | jdub: any new from Luis? he wanted to gimme some docs/artwork about gnome, looks like he's lost in bermuda ;) | 12:24 |
amu | s/new/news | 12:25 |
jdub | i'll nudge him | 12:25 |
jdub | interesting | 12:26 |
jdub | anything playing through alsa plays fast | 12:26 |
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LarryT | hi people :) | 12:27 |
jdub | unless it's playing through dmix | 12:27 |
jdub | then it plays at normal speed | 12:27 |
Kamion | jdub: depending on kernel images at all has always generally been considered BONG, except for kernel modules specifically compiled against a particular module ABI | 12:27 |
jdub | Kamion: yeah? hmm. | 12:27 |
jdub | Kamion: should i just take out all the kernel related depends? | 12:27 |
jdub | seems like a very bong package | 12:27 |
Kamion | I would, but I haven't looked at the package :-) | 12:28 |
jdub | that said, everything but the driver seems to be Free | 12:28 |
jdub | a no advertising clause is not considered non-free is it? | 12:28 |
amu | hmm daily-live has still keyboard problems, no @ and | if i choose german locale, xorg say "UNKOWN" | 12:28 |
LarryT | someone could tell me if gparted will be on ubuntu , pleae ? :) | 12:28 |
Kamion | LarryT: nobody's been working on it in Ubuntu. However, since Debian recently did a big parted upgrade, it might come into Debian soon; if so, there would be a case for us syncing it into universe. | 12:29 |
LarryT | may be i am not on the right channel ? ... | 12:29 |
amu | jdub: thx | 12:30 |
dholbach | LarryT: i'm working on it | 12:32 |
LarryT | there you're back :) | 12:32 |
Kamion | ah, I wasn't aware dholbach had been doing stuff | 12:32 |
dholbach | LarryT: but i want people to test it a bit, before it gets included and people jump down my throat because their partition was eaten :-) | 12:32 |
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amu | Kamion: tried remaster the ppc, as you suggested with a hfs.map from CVS, CD still does not boot :( | 12:38 |
Kamion | I'll have to try the instructions out myself later | 12:38 |
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amu | Kamion: thx | 12:40 |
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dholbach | but LarryT was right... gparted on the liveCD would be *NICE* | 12:48 |
dholbach | so i probably should start a big call on package testing :-) | 12:50 |
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lifeless | can we get fuse in the official kernels ? | 01:12 |
lifeless | or at least a built module ? | 01:12 |
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sladen | hostap would be groovy too; then I could have wifi back on this laptop | 01:16 |
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sivang | I'm back | 01:46 |
jdub | ahr! all my sound is playing fast | 01:49 |
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Mithrandir | does python -c 'import locale; locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, ""); print locale.getlocale()' do anything useful for any of you? | 02:05 |
Mithrandir | (generating a backtrace is not considered useful.) | 02:05 |
sivang | ('en_US', 'utf') | 02:08 |
Mithrandir | bah, stupid python. | 02:08 |
sivang | this is my default one, should I list me all the ones I have? | 02:08 |
Mithrandir | no, no need. | 02:08 |
mvo_ | Mithrandir: 'C' | 02:08 |
Mithrandir | I found out what the problem is, and it's that python is dog stupid, having a hard-coded list of locales. | 02:09 |
sivang | bah | 02:13 |
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daniels | jdub: solved problem; the video RAM hack has been in for ages so it will give you however much you ask for, and we have DRM too | 02:47 |
jdub | daniels: didn't seem to work on avdd's | 02:48 |
jdub | daniels: btw, i noticed that neither my laptop nor his loaded the appropriate drm kernel module | 02:48 |
jdub | mine has never loaded it, it seems | 02:49 |
daniels | i915? | 02:51 |
daniels | should get loaded when needed | 02:51 |
daniels | hoary-only, btw | 02:52 |
jdub | his is an i830, mine's an i855 | 02:52 |
jdub | the Device>VideoRam setting didn't work | 02:52 |
daniels | bongtasmic | 02:52 |
daniels | using hoary? | 02:52 |
jdub | but he got this awesome letterbox video mode | 02:53 |
jdub | yeah | 02:53 |
daniels | hmmmmm | 02:53 |
jdub | he'll be over on wednesday, and possibly here earlier | 02:54 |
daniels | haven't heard any other reports of that | 02:54 |
daniels | and, I mean, I have an i855 ;) | 02:54 |
jdub | does yours always load the i830 module? | 02:54 |
amu | *hpf* shit, uploaded a source-packaged to debian | 02:54 |
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mjg59 | jdub: For 855, the correct module is i915 | 02:54 |
jdub | (does it always unload it when X quits?) | 02:54 |
mjg59 | With Xorg | 02:54 |
mjg59 | For 830 as well, come to think of it | 02:55 |
jdub | oh | 02:55 |
jdub | right, xorg change | 02:55 |
jdub | i see | 02:55 |
daniels | jdub: mine always uses i915 | 02:55 |
daniels | jdub: and nah, it won't unload it | 02:55 |
daniels | only load | 02:55 |
jdub | ok, he must have i915 going | 02:56 |
amu | elmo: ping | 02:57 |
bob2 | daniels: did you see the vberestore thread on lkml? | 03:02 |
aj | elmo/lamont/anyone: ping? :) | 03:04 |
daniels | bob2: nope | 03:06 |
daniels | don't read lkml | 03:06 |
bob2 | ah | 03:06 |
amu | daniels: i've still trouble with the liveCD, german keyboard, no @ and | is possible | 03:06 |
daniels | amu: sounds like you have pc104 instead of pc104 | 03:07 |
daniels | er, instead of pc105 | 03:07 |
daniels | bob2: when was it? | 03:07 |
amu | xorg.config say 105 | 03:07 |
daniels | amu: really? | 03:07 |
amu | yep | 03:07 |
azeem | same here, pc105 | 03:07 |
daniels | bob2: ah, got it | 03:07 |
bob2 | daniels: hrm, yesterday I think | 03:08 |
bob2 | ah | 03:08 |
bob2 | dunno if it's got anything interesting, but it seemed like you might be able to fob some stuff off to the kernel now ;) | 03:08 |
mjg59 | bob2: Not as yet, sadly | 03:13 |
bob2 | dang | 03:14 |
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amu | daniels: XkbLayout says "UNKNOWN" | 03:27 |
daniels | amu: ?!? | 03:27 |
daniels | is the debconf priority at that stage high, or critical? | 03:27 |
daniels | i suspect we need to bump the question to critical if it's unknown | 03:28 |
daniels | either that, or default to us/pc105 and hope for the best :\ | 03:28 |
daniels | anyway, I need to sleep. 'night all. | 03:28 |
sivang | night daniels | 03:28 |
daniels | amu: what language/location did you select? | 03:29 |
amu | daniels: ..on a booted liveCD, i must check the debconf prio .. | 03:29 |
amu | daniels: german/german | 03:29 |
daniels | amu: ok, i'll check it out tomorrow or tuesday | 03:30 |
amu | daniels: ok, just let me know, if you need me to test something | 03:30 |
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daniels | thanks dude, will do | 03:31 |
amu | daniels: thx2 and sleep well | 03:31 |
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lamont | aj: sup? | 04:17 |
aj | lamont: irc.parisc isn't | 04:23 |
lamont | aj: seems to be working for me... - see other window | 04:24 |
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sivang | Mithrandir: what are you using for your python hacking as in an IDE? vim/emacs/other? :) | 04:45 |
Mithrandir | emacs | 04:45 |
sivang | Mithrandir: (I am looking for something with object insight) | 04:46 |
sivang | Mithrandir: cool, could you email me the python highlight parts of the config file? or is it some kind of a pluging that I have to install? | 04:46 |
sivang | Mithrandir: (the one that tells which methods are available when issuing the dot :-) | 04:47 |
Mithrandir | no idea, I just browse the docs with firefox. | 04:47 |
infinity | object insight. Bah. | 04:48 |
infinity | That's crazy talk. | 04:48 |
infinity | (but if you find a text-mode editor that does it well, tell me what it was?) | 04:49 |
Mithrandir | it's hard to do with python, since it's so dynamic. | 04:49 |
sivang | infinity: hehe | 04:50 |
sivang | Mithrandir: how do you enable the highlighting in emacs for python (it works quite well for me on C and Perl) | 04:51 |
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Duck_busy | anyone working at the python 2.4 transition ? | 04:51 |
Mithrandir | sivang: python-mode, possibly? Also (global-font-lock-mode t) | 04:52 |
Mithrandir | in .emacs | 04:52 |
sivang | Mithrandir: how do I enable it? (it's a major or minor mode_ | 04:53 |
sivang | ) | 04:53 |
infinity | Mithrandir : <shrug>... If visual studio can manage object insight in their crappy text editors, I'm sure some enterprising free software developer can make a text mode editor not suck at it. | 04:53 |
sivang | infinity: we should try do something up, how hard can it be ? ;-) <hides> | 04:53 |
Mithrandir | infinity: it's a lot easier to do in, say C++ than python. | 04:54 |
infinity | I don't know about "hard".. But it'd be difficult to do it efficiently. | 04:54 |
infinity | Visual Studio cheats by making you tell it ahead of time what you may or may not be linking to. | 04:55 |
infinity | The "right" way would be to parse the source and determine what's being loaded, what it does, and how it's being used. Which sounds. Painfully inefficient. | 04:55 |
sivang | infinity: right | 04:56 |
sivang | :-/ | 04:56 |
infinity | Maybe I should extend ae to be the ultimate python editor. :) | 04:56 |
sivang | infinity: ae? | 04:56 |
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infinity | sivang : My tiny editor of choice, cause I'm weird. | 04:57 |
infinity | sivang : It was removed before woody. Remind me to upload it before Sarge (and get it in Hoary universe.. Hrm.. I have how many days?) | 04:57 |
sivang | infinity: till wedensday | 04:57 |
sivang | ah, my crappie spelling... | 04:57 |
infinity | Anyhow. It's tiny. It's featureless. It's be a great base for adding worthless features like this, cause I wouldn't be stuck trying to slot it into the already-determined frameworks of vim and emacs. | 04:57 |
sivang | infinity: right, what is it written in? | 04:58 |
infinity | C. | 04:58 |
sivang | infinity: superb :) | 04:58 |
Mithrandir | infinity: you are _sick_ | 04:58 |
sivang | Mithrandir: LOLs | 04:58 |
sivang | how it seems to me that all of the nice features an object has in python, would make it ideal to write such an editor in python , no? (let's not talk about the efficiency for the moment) | 04:59 |
Mithrandir | sivang: have you ever used the monstrosity that is ae? | 04:59 |
sivang | Mithrandir: I don't think so, does it follow vim/pico/nano/emacs bindings? | 05:00 |
Mithrandir | well, you'd need to know the type of an object to introspect it. | 05:00 |
Mithrandir | actually, you need the object itself. | 05:00 |
sivang | Mithrandir: eh right..which mean instantiating it? | 05:00 |
Mithrandir | you can't just do that. Imagine a method foo(self, bar); how are you going to introspect on bar? | 05:01 |
sivang | hrm right....:-/ | 05:01 |
Mithrandir | even introspecting on self can be hard enough, since something might have added properties to self which you use. | 05:02 |
Mithrandir | not a good coding style, I agree, but very much possible. | 05:02 |
infinity | Mithrandir : Oh, it's not that bad. :) | 05:02 |
infinity | sivang : Keybindings are completely configurable, though it ships with some defaults people might be comfy with. Does modal and modeless, etc. | 05:03 |
infinity | Mithrandir : Doing it in a foolproof manner might be tough, but getting it "close enough" mightn't be too hard. | 05:03 |
sivang | infinity: maybe to mere ease off the reference searching task... | 05:04 |
Mithrandir | infinity: how would you introspect at bar above, then? Analyze the call graph? | 05:05 |
infinity | I could always embed python and use it to figure itself out... | 05:06 |
sivang | infinity: is there a way to embed python in a python script? | 05:07 |
infinity | Maybe. I certainly hope not. | 05:08 |
infinity | I suppose you could write a python python library that linked to libpython, but. Uhm. Why? | 05:08 |
sivang | yes, that sounds, a bit how to say? strange? | 05:08 |
Mithrandir | lamont: cyrus-sasl seems to be missing on amd64 | 05:11 |
Mithrandir | sivang: in general, for my emacs stuff just look at http://err.no/dotfiles/emacs | 05:15 |
sivang | Mithrandir: thanks, this is a domain of yours? | 05:16 |
Mithrandir | yes | 05:16 |
sivang | wow :) | 05:16 |
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lupus_ | seb128, can you update libdbus-cil for the new mono | 05:24 |
seb128 | why me ? | 05:24 |
seb128 | ask to one of the guys who work on it rather | 05:25 |
tseng | lupus_: whats wrong with it | 05:25 |
seb128 | ie tseng :) | 05:25 |
lupus_ | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mono-assemblies-base_1.0.5-2_all.deb (--unpack): | 05:25 |
lupus_ | trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/mono', which is also in package libdbus-cil | 05:25 |
lupus_ | Errors were encountered while processing: | 05:25 |
tseng | oh like that you mean | 05:25 |
seb128 | oh, there is a bug in bugzilla about it | 05:25 |
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tseng | has nothing to do with the "new mono" really. | 05:25 |
lupus_ | true | 05:26 |
lupus_ | let's say the new mono package :) | 05:26 |
tseng | for now you can dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/mono-assemblies-base_1.0.5-2_all.deb | 05:26 |
lupus_ | lets | 05:26 |
tseng | and CC yourself on the bug. | 05:26 |
lupus_ | k | 05:27 |
lupus_ | thx | 05:27 |
seb128 | tseng: do you know if somebody has planned to update f-spot ? | 05:28 |
tseng | i do not | 05:28 |
seb128 | k | 05:28 |
tseng | havent met the maintainer yet, and i cant get on the pkg-mono list | 05:29 |
tseng | as of yesterday | 05:29 |
seb128 | k | 05:29 |
seb128 | I'll ping the maintainer on the debian side first :) | 05:29 |
tseng | alright. | 05:30 |
sivang | seb128: do you know if there was any decisoin about removing the change UID field in users-admin "advanced" tab? There's a major bug report about this. | 05:30 |
tseng | yay, got on the list now | 05:30 |
seb128 | sivang: I know, the bug is assigned to me :p | 05:30 |
tseng | someone fixed mailman | 05:30 |
seb128 | sivang: I think we should just mask it from the UI | 05:31 |
sivang | seb128: ok, that would be a very trivial patch to do, using glad etc, would you like me to do it and make a new pkg for you to review? | 05:31 |
sivang | seb128: (i.e. a change only to the interface file) | 05:31 |
seb128 | yeah, that's probably a few lines changes | 05:33 |
seb128 | if you want to do it you're welcome | 05:33 |
sivang | seb128: ok | 05:35 |
sivang | seb128: tnx :) | 05:35 |
seb128 | thank you | 05:36 |
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T-Bone | Kamion: ? | 06:24 |
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Kamion | T-Bone: ? | 06:53 |
Kamion | (here for about five minutes) | 06:53 |
T-Bone | Kamion: did you change something to d-i lately? | 06:56 |
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T-Bone | yesterday's iso doesn't detect my CDrom drive anymore on ia64 | 06:56 |
Kamion | T-Bone: all my changes are mailed to hoary-changes, to which I'd expect developers to be subscribed to find out what's going on :) | 06:57 |
Kamion | T-Bone: nothing springs to mind | 06:57 |
T-Bone | i'm not subscribed to hoary-changes | 06:59 |
T-Bone | i wonder what's going on. kernel modules seem properly loaded | 06:59 |
Kamion | step through cdrom-detect's postinst I guess | 07:02 |
T-Bone | Kamion: it's worth than that | 07:03 |
T-Bone | off hand it looks like the kernel is fucked up | 07:03 |
T-Bone | all ide modules are loaded, but it doesn't see anything on the ide bus | 07:03 |
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T-Bone | ok the kernel is fucked up | 07:16 |
T-Bone | /proc/interrupts is mostly empty. The only thing working in USB! | 07:16 |
Kamion | hmph, when my fiancee logs out of GNOME, a bunch of processes keep running, so she can't log in properly the second time round | 07:16 |
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Kamion | reproducible with a freshly created test user | 07:19 |
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sivang | Kamion: last upgrade? | 07:20 |
Kamion | sivang: since a while, I think | 07:20 |
ZorroBytes | Hi, what's the status of Java for ubuntu - does the license for java prevent it being bundled as an install? It comes with Suse 9.2 Pro default isntall | 07:20 |
sivang | Kamion: I'm upgrading to see if it happens here | 07:21 |
Kamion | most of them go away if I add the user to the audio group; with a user that I just created with 'adduser', the panel keeps running | 07:21 |
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sivang | Kamion: adduser doesn't apply all the needed groups I think, try to create a user in users-admin? | 07:23 |
Kamion | ZorroBytes: AIUI, main problem is that if we ship Sun Java, we can't ship any other Java | 07:23 |
Kamion | sivang: oh I realise that pointy-clicky tools will add more groups and I've done that now by hand; however things should not break if users aren't in the groups they want | 07:24 |
ZorroBytes | Kamion, good point, but in reality (I'm a java developer) it's the sun one that I install first off. Then if I want another version, say IBM's, I go get that myself. | 07:24 |
Kamion | ZorroBytes: sadly, legal issues are even more real. :-) | 07:24 |
ZorroBytes | but for the normal joe user out there, having sun installed as default wouldn't be too much of a problem? | 07:24 |
Kamion | ZorroBytes: there's lots of stuff on the wiki though and jbailey is working on it | 07:24 |
ZorroBytes | url? | 07:24 |
Kamion | search for "Java" | 07:24 |
ZorroBytes | ta. | 07:24 |
Kamion | www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ | 07:24 |
Kamion | no, we're not going to install Sun Java by default, sorry | 07:25 |
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ZorroBytes | Got the page. | 07:25 |
Kamion | there are a couple, there's JavaIntegration | 07:25 |
ZorroBytes | that's the one I'm looking at at the moment :) | 07:25 |
Kamion | anyway it's a long time since I used Java at all, so I'll bow out of the conversation now | 07:26 |
ZorroBytes | ta for the info :) | 07:27 |
Josephus | was there any change in gdm lately? I rebooted, and now gdm could not write my x auth file | 07:30 |
Treenaks | Josephus: did you run some X program as root? | 07:31 |
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Josephus | possible yes | 07:31 |
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Treenaks | Josephus: that could be the problem then.. and don't run X programs as root :) | 07:34 |
Josephus | ok i won't, but how can i get my X back? :) | 07:36 |
Treenaks | remove .Xauthority from your ~, and this is really a #ubuntu question | 07:36 |
Josephus | Treenaks: i thought it was because of some update | 07:37 |
Josephus | But default cursor change was because today's update, as it was mentioned on ubuntu-devel list | 07:38 |
sivang | Kamion: right | 07:38 |
sivang | Kamion: well, upgraded I'll check around if it happens here | 07:38 |
mxpxpod | Josephus: are they going to change back to the old default cursor? | 07:55 |
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sivang | Kamion: hrm, I can confirm that :-/ | 07:56 |
sivang | Kamion: only I couldn't even logout, but didn't any problem logging in | 07:57 |
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pitti | Good evening everybody | 09:07 |
sivang | godd evening pitti :) | 09:10 |
sivang | s/godd/good/ | 09:10 |
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sivang | why smurfix ? | 09:27 |
smurfix | I can IRC from here. But for some reason, ssh is totally impossible. | 09:27 |
sivang | where are you at? | 09:28 |
sivang | (if I may ask) | 09:28 |
mdz | pitti: good evening | 09:29 |
pitti | Hi mdz | 09:29 |
mdz | pitti: do you have a reproducible test case for the udev bug? | 09:29 |
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smurfix | Tegernsee. Alps. The phone works, normally, but packet data doesn't like me here. | 09:30 |
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pitti | mdz: no, I cannot reproduce it at all on my machines | 09:30 |
pitti | mdz: I tried to debug it on smurfix' machine, but did not come very far | 09:31 |
smurfix | pitti: feel free to try again there, if necessary. | 09:31 |
smurfix | I can also try to track it down -- next week, when I'm back home | 09:32 |
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mdz | pitti: I can reproduce it here | 09:48 |
mdz | pitti: by uninstalling/installing hal | 09:48 |
mdz | pitti: do you know the cause of hal.hotplug[18165] : SEQNUM is not set | 09:49 |
mdz | ? | 09:49 |
pitti | mdz: I tried that several times (un/reinstall, down- and upgrades) | 09:49 |
pitti | mdz: I don't know the cause | 09:50 |
pitti | mdz: something seems to induce hotplug events without sequence numbers (which should normally be there) | 09:51 |
pitti | but I have no idea what generates them | 09:51 |
mdz | pitti: it is the hal postinst | 09:51 |
mdz | the do_udev function | 09:51 |
pitti | aha | 09:52 |
mdz | that entire function should be replaced with a call to udevstart, I think | 09:52 |
pitti | but events without a sequence number should just be executed immediately | 09:53 |
pitti | so I don't see where there could be a feedback loop | 09:53 |
pitti | why udevstart? | 09:53 |
pitti | can udevstart be limited to block devices? | 09:54 |
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mdz | no, i don't think so | 09:55 |
mdz | but why does it need to be? | 09:55 |
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pitti | mdz: well, just to avoid some redundancy, I guess | 09:58 |
pitti | mdz: udevstart takes a considerable amount of time | 09:58 |
mdz | pitti: dpkg-reconfigure hal reproduces the problem for me | 09:58 |
mdz | pitti: modifying postinst to call udevstart fixes it | 09:58 |
pitti | mdz: does it help to replace do_udev by udevstart? | 09:58 |
pitti | ok | 09:58 |
pitti | great | 09:59 |
mdz | it is strange that the maintainer did this | 09:59 |
mdz | it is hal's own hotplug hook which fails if SEQNUM is not set | 09:59 |
mdz | I do not know what causes the loop, though | 09:59 |
mdz | pitti: I think that udev should have an update-udev script | 09:59 |
pitti | sjoerd: ^ any idea? | 09:59 |
mdz | pitti: so that packages which install a udev config file can call it, to have the changes effected immediately | 10:00 |
pitti | sjoerd: (about do_udev without sequence number) | 10:00 |
pitti | mdz: hmm, good idea | 10:00 |
pitti | mdz: however, what should this script do apart from udevstart? | 10:00 |
pitti | just wrap it, in case it changes in the future? | 10:00 |
sjoerd | pitti: shouldn't be a problem.. we can't fake sequence numbers from usersspace anyway | 10:00 |
pitti | sjoerd: <mdz> it is hal's own hotplug hook which fails if SEQNUM is not set | 10:01 |
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pitti | sjoerd: maybe that is what is causing the feedback loop | 10:01 |
sjoerd | hrm.. is that run on an udevsend.. | 10:01 |
sjoerd | oh.. does hoary have udev in hotplug mode ? | 10:01 |
pitti | sjoerd: I think so | 10:02 |
pitti | sjoerd: /etc/hotplug.d/default/10-udev.hotplug -> /sbin/udevsend | 10:02 |
sjoerd | that's the same as in debian | 10:02 |
mdz | pitti: yes, I think it would only call udevstart at this time | 10:02 |
sjoerd | anyway, there is no problem if the hal program fails there | 10:03 |
mdz | sjoerd: Ubuntu uses /sbin/udevsend as the hotplug helper | 10:03 |
sjoerd | mdz: ah, right, so your udevsend actually causes the hotplug scripts to be run | 10:03 |
sjoerd | which isn't the case in debian... | 10:03 |
mdz | correct | 10:03 |
mdz | I don't know why this results in a loop | 10:03 |
pitti | hal -> udevsend -> this causes a hotplug event -> calls udevsend again? | 10:04 |
sjoerd | the symlink pitti has is strange then ? | 10:04 |
smurfix | Yeah, something like that seems to happen. | 10:04 |
mdz | no, the symlink is standard | 10:04 |
mdz | udev has some loop detection which should prevent that | 10:04 |
sjoerd | ah | 10:04 |
mdz | otherwise this would happen with every hotplug event | 10:04 |
pitti | smurfix: does replacing do_udev() with udevstart help for you, too? | 10:04 |
pitti | mdz: right, but maybe because it does not have a sequence number (no kernel event), the loop detection fails? | 10:05 |
smurfix | pitti: No idea at the moment | 10:05 |
mdz | pitti: it's possible; I don't know how the loop detection works | 10:05 |
pitti | mdz: it might rely on the same sequence number | 10:05 |
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sjoerd | guess there is no, way to tell udev to just recheck the permissions and naming and not call the hotplug scripts.. | 10:06 |
pitti | mdz: the only odd thing is, why I can't reproduce it | 10:06 |
mdz | /* prevent loops in the scripts we execute */ | 10:06 |
mdz | if (strncmp(key, "UDEVD_EVENT=", 12) == 0) { | 10:06 |
mdz | dbg("seems that the event source is not the kernel, just exit"); | 10:06 |
mdz | goto exit; | 10:06 |
mdz | } | 10:06 |
mdz | the strange thing is, if I run the do_udev function from a shell, it doesn't cause a problem for me | 10:08 |
pitti | mdz: I pinged Md in #d-devel, I will ask him for update-udev | 10:08 |
mdz | but it does when run from the postinst | 10:08 |
mdz | it seems like a race | 10:09 |
pitti | mdz: in #d-devel | 10:09 |
mdz | perhaps related to the fact that it starts many udevsend processes in the background, and then restarts dbus | 10:09 |
mdz | pitti: ok | 10:09 |
mdz | why does it run them in the background, anyway? | 10:10 |
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sjoerd | no good reason that i remember | 10:11 |
mdz | hmm, I can't reproduce anymore | 10:12 |
mdz | after undoing my workaround | 10:12 |
pitti | Heisenbug... | 10:13 |
jdub | http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4271 | 10:13 |
jdub | ^ i've been pinged about this a couple of times now | 10:13 |
mdz | jdub: ... | 10:14 |
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mdz | jdub: it doesn't happen to me, so if you can reproduce it, you're in the best position to debug it | 10:16 |
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pitti | mdz: according to Md, running udevstart might have unintended side effects, so we should not do that in a postisnt | 10:20 |
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mdz | <Md> currently your best option is running udevstart | 10:21 |
jdub | mdz: i can't, have never used en_US | 10:21 |
mdz | I certainly do | 10:21 |
mdz | and if it were broken, I would have noticed and fixed it before Warty released | 10:21 |
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pitti | mdz: okay, I'll modify hal to use udevstart for now | 10:22 |
pitti | mdz: after Md finds a better solution for udevstart, we can switch over to update-udev | 10:23 |
mdz | pitti: or can we disable that code altogether? | 10:23 |
pitti | mdz: well, it would cause hal not being able to read CD-ROMs etc. | 10:23 |
pitti | mdz: wrong, not CD-ROms | 10:24 |
pitti | mdz: but already existing USB devices | 10:24 |
mdz | why? | 10:24 |
pitti | mdz: hal isntalls udev rules to change group disk to group hal for USB devices | 10:24 |
pitti | mdz: s/USB/removable/ | 10:24 |
pitti | mdz: so hal does not need to run in group disk | 10:24 |
mdz | can we not do that in the udev package, instead of hal? | 10:24 |
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mdz | (using a different group) | 10:24 |
pitti | mdz: so it can mess with removable devices, but not with hard disk ones | 10:24 |
pitti | mdz: in the very first packages we indeed did this in udev proper | 10:25 |
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pitti | mdz: but after some discussion this was moved to hal, by installign an udev rules script | 10:25 |
mdz | I think that udev is the right place | 10:26 |
mdz | removable devices should have different permissions regardless of whether hal is installed | 10:26 |
pitti | mdz: to get rid of do_udev(), we need to move /etc/udev/rules.d/z_hal-plugdev.rules from hal to udev | 10:26 |
pitti | mdz: that's easy to achieve | 10:26 |
jdub | 08:24 < luis> jdub: 'install hoary CDs, choose en_US as locale' | 10:26 |
jdub | 08:24 < luis> jdub: 'use liveCDs, choose en_US as locale' | 10:26 |
jdub | 08:25 * luis is booting a liveCD at this very moment, will test again | 10:26 |
mdz | changing permissions of devices based on whether a certain package is installed, seems fairly evil | 10:26 |
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mdz | jdub: seriously, I do that about 20 times per week, easily | 10:27 |
pitti | mdz: okay, then I do that | 10:27 |
jdub | mdz: i don't doubt you | 10:27 |
jdub | mdz: just relaying | 10:27 |
mdz | jdub: in which program is he seeing the problem exhibited? | 10:27 |
jdub | gnome stuff | 10:27 |
jdub | as noted in the bug | 10:28 |
pitti | sjoerd: do you think this can be done in Debian, too? (setting device permissions in udev instead of hal) | 10:28 |
mdz | I don't know which gnome stuff has different strings for en_GB vs. en_US | 10:28 |
jdub | hrm, now that i look at /etc/environment on my machine, i get: | 10:28 |
jdub | LANGUAGE="en_AU:en_US:en_GB:en" | 10:28 |
jdub | and i totally shouldn't have en_US before en_GB ;) | 10:28 |
jdub | mdz: nautilus 'wastebasket' | 10:28 |
sjoerd | pitti: you should discuss that with md.. | 10:29 |
seb128_ | you guys should all use fr_FR :p | 10:29 |
sjoerd | pitti: but i don't think there is a generic solution and this one is basically temporary for hal 0.4.x.. | 10:30 |
mdz | jdub: Trash here | 10:31 |
mdz | jdub: just tested with an array-4 live CD | 10:31 |
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Hwolf | Would it be possible to mark Openoffice.org2 as a subsitute for OO01? | 10:33 |
pitti | mdz: hmm, but putting removable devices into the hal group even if hal is not installed seems a bit weird, too | 10:34 |
pitti | mdz: we could revert the group back to plugdev | 10:35 |
pitti | mdz: however, that would mean that normal users can repartition/reformat removable media | 10:36 |
pitti | mdz: i. e. malicious software could circumvent permissions on USB hard disks | 10:36 |
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sivang | seb128_: hehe | 10:39 |
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kent | hmm, mono-assemblies-base is giving me problems. Can i solve it by hand, or will it be solved automatic with a future update? i cant seem to be able to remove the conflicting packages, it always wants to do apt-get -f install, but that one dont work, since its a conflict. | 10:40 |
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seiya | hi guys | 10:43 |
mdz | pitti: I can't think of a realistic attack scenario | 10:43 |
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seiya | do you know anything about website contest? | 10:43 |
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pitti | mdz: as I said, normal users can circumvent permissions on USB hard disks | 10:46 |
pitti | mdz: the "users" in the sense of a human being can of course do this anyway | 10:46 |
pitti | mdz: (by moving it to another computer) | 10:47 |
pitti | mdz: but the user processes shouldn't | 10:47 |
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Hwolf | Guys: With my latest upgrade I lost the ubuntu-themed mouse pionters. Which package is responsible for those? | 10:48 |
mdz | Hwolf: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6172 | 10:49 |
Hwolf | mdz, ok, couldn't find it. | 10:49 |
Hwolf | btw, am I the only one who thinks a filled trash-applet looks like a clipboard? | 10:50 |
tseng | yes | 10:51 |
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Hwolf | -c +s | 10:51 |
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seiya | jdub: are you going to show us projects submitted to ubuntu website contest? | 11:04 |
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bluefoxicy | update-notifier has been insisting that there are 7 updates available for the past 7 hours now | 11:16 |
bluefoxicy | after installing them | 11:16 |
geppy | The gstreamer-jack package is broken. Is there anything that I can do to fix it? | 11:16 |
tseng | geppy: how about gstreamer0.8-jack ? | 11:17 |
tseng | gstreamer-* is 0.6, pretty old | 11:17 |
geppy | tseng: I have 0.8-jack | 11:17 |
tseng | is that which is broken? | 11:18 |
geppy | tseng: In my experience, they've both been broken. | 11:18 |
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mdz | bluefoxicy: thanks for testing it; feel free to add your comments to the bugs already open about such issues | 11:19 |
trulux | hi | 11:19 |
jdub | geppy: probably worth talking to gstreamer upstream about it, more work has been done on the jack plugin since last release | 11:23 |
geppy | jdub: Alright, thanks. | 11:23 |
bluefoxicy | mdz: right now I'm more interested in #5779, which now has a patch to correct the problem. The patch didn't pop up till about 2 days ago so *shrug* it hasn't reached the maintainers. No big deal, I'm too busy playing dragon warrior to care :) | 11:25 |
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bluefoxicy | mdz: the update notifier bug seems to be #6071, so it's known. *nod* | 11:26 |
seiya_ | jdub: hi | 11:27 |
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trulux | mdz: I've just came back and read the message on features freeze | 11:30 |
trulux | mdz: is there anything I could do for getting some new SELinux stuff on Hoary before it gets freezed? | 11:30 |
trulux | at least bringing updates to the packages | 11:30 |
robertj | hey mdz, I've been making an effort to get my act together and actually learn enough to provide a patch to create an admin group for sudoers and have made some progress but am having difficulty testing my changes | 11:30 |
robertj | mdz: sudoers is fine but the passwd package does its action during config and it's already configured... | 11:31 |
robertj | running sh passwd.config throws up errors about templates and the like so I assume it's not something your supposed to do | 11:31 |
bluefoxicy | o.o | 11:32 |
bluefoxicy | what group does Squid run as | 11:32 |
bluefoxicy | I need it running in its own group | 11:32 |
bluefoxicy | ahh, cache_effective_group | 11:33 |
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sivang | Night everybody | 11:36 |
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robertj | should I take this one to d-d? | 11:37 |
robertj | are they still pretty hospitable ;) | 11:37 |
Duck_busy | sjoerd: coin ? | 11:38 |
sjoerd | Duck_busy: pong | 11:39 |
Duck_busy | sjoerd: :-) | 11:39 |
Duck_busy | sjoerd: i want to talk about the python transition in hoary | 11:39 |
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Duck_busy | people r complaining the depends r wrong | 11:40 |
Duck_busy | because debian pkg depends on python 2.3 and ubuntu now uses 2.4 | 11:40 |
Duck_busy | do you plan some mass rebuilding ? | 11:40 |
sjoerd | Duck_busy: you need to ask the ubuntu people about this, not me | 11:41 |
Duck_busy | ho, i though you were one of them | 11:41 |
mdz | trulux: is there a list of what needs to be done? | 11:41 |
jdub | seiya_: yes, there will be a poll soon | 11:42 |
mdz | trulux: if you make a list in the wiki, we can discuss it, but it is very close to the freeze | 11:42 |
sjoerd | Duck_busy: nope ;) | 11:42 |
mdz | robertj: ubuntu-devel@lists is the place to discuss it | 11:42 |
Duck_busy | sjoerd: who could i ask ? | 11:42 |
robertj | mdz; thanks | 11:42 |
Duck_busy | there's not ubuntu tag on people | 11:43 |
Duck_busy | -t | 11:43 |
seiya_ | jdub:oh, pool - ok, thx for answer | 11:44 |
sjoerd | Duck_busy: this channel seems like a nice target.... | 11:44 |
jdub | seiya_: pool! :) | 11:45 |
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seiya_ | jdub: and soon means few days? | 11:45 |
jdub | seiya_: oh, most likely less | 11:45 |
seiya_ | jdub: he he right poll :) | 11:46 |
trulux | mdz: sure, I have a wiki page in hardened debian wiki, lemme dig for the link | 11:46 |
crimsun | Duck_busy: most of those packages need at least a bump in debian/control:Build-Depends. I believe mdz talked about this issue a couple weeks ago, though I don't have a log of it. | 11:47 |
Duck_busy | crimsun: yes, depends must be changed and build-depends too, is there a way to be sponsored as a debian maintainer, so as to have my pkg fixed quicker ? | 11:49 |
mdz | Duck_busy: yes, these packages will be fixed in due course | 11:50 |
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crimsun | for my part, I've been sending diffs to MOTU for the python packages I've run across | 11:50 |
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mdz | crimsun: that's great; if a few more people would do a few packages each, it would be done very quickly | 11:52 |
Duck_busy | mdz: can i come back here with fixed pkg to upload ? (understand ubuntu people r complaining to me and not you, as they see my name as the maintainer) | 11:52 |
jdub | oh man | 11:52 |
jdub | local lug list | 11:52 |
jdub | bunch of people being banged up the sh*tter by consolehelper | 11:52 |
jdub | most are completely confused | 11:53 |
jdub | (multiple users logging in, exclusive permissions, etc) | 11:53 |
jdub | one blames it entirely on gnome | 11:53 |
mdz | Duck_busy: yes, definitely | 11:53 |
jdub | eeeek | 11:53 |
Duck_busy | mdz: thanks | 11:53 |
Duck_busy | crimsun: thanks too | 11:53 |
mdz | Duck_busy: or you can mail ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com if no one is here to upload | 11:53 |
crimsun | Duck_busy: np | 11:54 |
Duck_busy | mdz: roger | 11:54 |
mdz | jdub: what is consolehelper? | 12:01 |
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