[12:08] haggai: ping? [12:10] sivang: grep name /proc/cpuinfo [12:11] model name : Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 1.80GHz [12:12] sivang: grep -c flags.*est /proc/cpuinfo [12:13] 0 === asw [~asw@node-423a728a.bos.onnet.us.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asw [~asw@node-423a728a.bos.onnet.us.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hwolf [~hidde@136.63.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvh [~pvh@S010600121729b5b8.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] Why is the resume= option needed for disksuspend not included in the menu.lst on laptops? [12:32] pvh: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5230 [12:33] mdz: are you interested in signing my GPG key? [12:37] pvh: if mjg59's patches went in, you should be able to do it by echo'ing > /proc/...something [12:38] sladen: It's a bit messy at the moment, isn't it? [12:38] does anyone have an idea, how i could debug a umount-of-a-fat32-partition-that-completely-kills-the-system? [12:38] sladen: Someone else was telling me to use /sys/power/state [12:38] sladen: And some of the documentation talks about /proc/acpi/event [12:43] bye guys... i'm off to bed === dholbach [~dholbach@td9091c01.pool.terralink.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:44] mdz? === Burgundavia_ [~corey@199.60.108.11] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] pvh: (1) ACPI events (power-button-press). (2) cause the system to enter the state (hibernate). (3) onto the device selected (>/proc/power/resume) Which bit do you feel is unneccessaryily messy? [12:47] sladen: Mm, no it's not messy in that sense. I don't mean to insult. [12:48] sladen: It's just that there are still lots of obsolete ways left in. [12:49] sladen: I think that a little bit of Hoary targeted documentation would resolve the situation. [12:49] pvh: I doubt anyone is insulted. How do you feel it could be improved? [12:49] sladen: Once I've figured all the steps out, I might be able to supply a first-pass at that. [12:50] sladen: Unless there's already some good documentation out there that I've missed? [12:51] sladen: The wiki stuff is targeted to 2.4 kernels. [12:51] kinnison: your P4 appears to share the characteristics of sivangs; does the -smi fallback fix^W work? === matt__ [~matt@12.5.226.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] anyone wanna show me a walkthrough for building an official amd64 generic here? [12:59] uri or whatever [12:59] I tried on my own but i wound up with a kernel package which didn't actually install anything in /boot [01:00] (using make-kpkg) [01:11] bluefoxicy: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10; dpkg-buildpackage [01:11] lamont: nothing I have to touch around there? [01:11] don't think so... [01:11] i.e. to put out another release or another arch or such [01:12] assuming the kernel you want to build is one of the flavors found in the archive, dpkg-buildpackage will build it... [01:12] along with the others, mind you. [01:12] I'm trying to gauge if I'd be able to maintain grsecurity sources for amd64 [01:12] I can patch the thing easy (2 misses, 1 is relavent 1 is just makefile EXTRAVERSION) [01:12] err, *kernels [01:13] pitti's got a few experimental ones up for x86 [01:13] but none for amd64 === bluefoxicy of course has an amd64 O:) === AndyR [~andrew@rogers666.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] hi all === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-49-248.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] until ubuntu *cough* actually picks up grsecurity (possible? maybe, maybe not), I've got two choices: build my own directly (I can do that), or build my own packages (I can't do that). The latter provides a better learning experience; I can build kernels by hand with my eyes closed. [01:16] (hopefully so can everyone else here) === wasabi_ [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] bluefoxicy: building kernel packages is easy, see kernel-package === bluefoxicy google kernel-package. . . and ubuntu. . . and metallica. . . === Arrogance [~aks@CPE0050ba556e4b-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === usual [~colin@cpe-69-204-170-16.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [~robertj@66-188-77-153.cpe.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] I'm dead tired, good night freedom lovers! :) === zenwhen [zenwhen@h-67-102-63-103.phlapafg.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === usual [~colin@cpe-69-204-170-16.nycap.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["What] === Nav [~Nav@S0106000f6605296c.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hwolf [~hidde@136.63.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mitario [~michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] hi everyone [02:12] when using debmirror, will the target directory end up being $ROOT/{dists,pool} [02:13] or have dists/pool in it [02:13] directly === zenwhen [zenwhen@h-67-102-63-103.phlapafg.covad.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["555"] [02:20] n/m, appears to put {dists,pool} directly === justdave_ [~dave@66.227.241.236.gha.mi.chartermi.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === T-Bone [varenet@freebz.slashdirt.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont heads to town === akurashy [~akurashy@64.237.176.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel === akurashy [~akurashy@64.237.176.152] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [03:36] wow, this looks *nice*: http://www.ubuntu-fr.org/ [03:53] ubuntu frog? === blixtra [~blixtra@i3ED6928C.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moquist [~moquist@pool-64-223-174-181.man.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [~tritium@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thully [~thully@98.sub-166-155-187.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:58] crunchy frog [05:02] sladen: looks very french. :-) [05:04] rather elegant layout. easy on the eyes & pleasant. === Kaloz [~kaloz@arrakis.dune.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:12] yes. even with my poor-to-nonexistant french, it looks nice === Kaloz [kaloz@arrakis.dune.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === usual [~colin@cpe-69-204-170-16.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:03] looks nice besides the nipples-of-doom shot [06:03] heh. somebody just gave me the crazy idea of putting .torrent files in apt === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [~tritium@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === infinity cleans up apache1.3 and is subsequently very frightened by fabbione... === thully [~thully@213.sub-166-155-40.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [~dholbach@td9091c01.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:07] morning === dholbac1 [~dholbach@td9091c01.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbac1 is now known as dholbach [07:27] hmmm, i thought my unmount-vfat--system-crash was related to autofs and i solved it that way.... but unfortunately - it's still there - hmmmmmmmm [07:38] morning all [07:42] hi sivang :-) [07:43] dholbach: hey daniel [07:45] sivan, how are you? === sabdfl [~mark@wbs-146-185-115.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:50] hi guys, what's our best answer for wifi network selection from the desktop? [07:50] in hoary [07:52] sabdfl: install netapplet [07:52] sabdfl: it's not on-by-default yet [07:52] jdub: is that what we plan to make on-by-default? [07:53] for hoary, yeah [07:53] it's only just been appletised [07:53] cool, thanks === dholbach [~dholbach@td9091c01.pool.terralink.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === dholbach [~dholbach@td9091c01.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] bye, i'm out... running [07:59] elmo: good work on the universe / multiverse sync === sabdfl [~mark@wbs-146-185-115.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:23] rehi sabdfl :) [08:23] hey sivang === drbyte [~byte@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:54] re [08:55] hrm [08:55] how do you get the installer stuff with debmirror? [09:00] aha, figured it out [09:00] sections should include main/debian-installer,restricted/debian-installer === syn-ack [~meskes@ip68-228-61-85.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] daniels: around? === avdd [~avdd@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] hm, tsclient displays a localized banner, using gtk_get_default_language() to get the locale [09:59] but the banner contains text, and gtk_get_default_language() returns the wrong part of my locale for that (i.e. not LC_MESSAGES) [09:59] Where's the bug? tsclient or gtk/pango? [10:04] I'd say GTK (it returns LC_CTYPE, not LC_MESSAGES).. === rubenv [~lambda1@83-134-125-14.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [~dholbach@td9091cdc.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] re [10:15] would anyone sponsor me a bluefish-1.0 upload? [10:17] daniels: http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~chak/linux/c400.html#xfree86 [10:18] dholbach: url? [10:19] amu: deb-src http://ubuntu.gplan.info hoary main (although i should change main to universe or something) :-)) [10:22] morning [10:23] morning mdz [10:30] morning [10:31] morning fabbione, how do you feel? [10:32] trashed [10:32] yesterday they managed to drag me out of the house with a really fancy excuse... and organized a surprise bachelor party [10:33] what was the excuse? ;) === jamesh [~james@203-59-45-84.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] installing ubuntu sparc in a telco datacenter [10:33] LOL [10:33] i couldn't resist the amount of nice hardware they put in the list [10:35] jdub: a link from that page (http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/welcome.html) would likely make my winmodem work :) thanks! :) [10:36] (hm, no, 2.4 only) [10:37] fabbione : That's some excuse. :) [10:39] fabbione: you have an idea, what could cause umount -ing a vfat partition to kill the whole system? or how i could debug it? [10:39] dholbach: #5431 [10:39] oh ok *has a look* [10:41] funnily enough, if i did it in the console and stopped gnome-related processes, i could umount it flawlessly [10:41] but both times (according to lsof) no processes had open files on it [10:43] dholbach: the "open files" are in the kernel [10:43] you don't see them in lsof [10:43] aha... ok [10:45] mdz: confirmed.. it works perfectly with growisofs :-) [10:46] fabbione: yes, someone should mail its author about the silly name [10:48] or we can just ln -sf growisofs irockondvds [10:48] is growisofs generally better than cdrecord? === fabbione still feels a lot of alchool flowing in his blood... [10:48] no correction.. === fabbione feels very few blood in his alchool stream [10:50] aha [10:50] bong [10:50] Package: sl-modem-daemon [10:50] Depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.8), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), debconf, sl-modem-modules-new | sl-modem-source (>> 2.9.6-1) | kernel-image-2.6 [10:50] *kernel*-image [10:51] jdub: scary [10:51] Treenaks: that's a link to a webserver on my former uni :) how did you come by it? === jdub goes to fix [10:51] sivang: the page jdub pasted had a link to it :) [10:51] Treenaks: ah cool. *searching the backlog* [10:54] hrm [10:54] slmodem is scary [10:54] can you use globs/regexps in Depends package *names*? [10:55] mdz, fabbione: ^ [10:55] jdub: linux-image-2.6.[0-9] + ? ;) [10:55] jdub: put down the pipe man... [10:56] fabbione: i know :-) [10:56] but [10:56] jdub: BONG [10:56] we don't have a metapackage that is cpu independent [10:57] so i'm stuck depending on linux-image-386 and -686 and -k7 and -386-smp and -686-smp and -k7-smp and any future ones :) [10:57] hmm === ultrafunk [~pd@eth779.vic.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:57] Package: linux-image-2.6.10-3-386 [10:58] Provides: linux-image, linux-image-2.6 [10:58] that's all you need [10:58] and it's there already [10:58] och [10:58] good point [10:58] thank you fabio [10:58] it is not even late :) [10:58] so you can just Depends: linux-image-2.6 | linux-image-whatever-real-package === mvo_ [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:59] do i have to | it with a real package? [10:59] yes [10:59] or the other way around [10:59] check with lintian [11:07] The other way around. [11:07] Though, it's pretty sick to be depeding on a kernel image at all. [11:08] jdub : Why is that necessary? === azeem [~mbanck@socks-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] infinity: alsa driver in 2.6 instead of driver module provided [11:14] Yeah, I read the package description. I'm still not convinced it's necessary. :) [11:14] Especially since "linux-image-2.6" could have anything builtin, including no sound support. [11:26] ARGH. [11:26] How does one stop CVS from doing keyword expansion? [11:26] It just destroyed a massive patch. [11:29] infinity: I think it was something with -k and cvs admin [11:29] 1 mom [11:30] + [11:32] infinity: https://www.cvshome.org/docs/manual/cvs-1.11.19/cvs_12.html#SEC97 [11:32] https://www.cvshome.org/docs/manual/cvs-1.11.19/cvs_12.html#SEC100 even [11:38] Thanks. [11:42] Oh, thank god it's recoverable. I didn't want to redo that patch.. === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-33-171.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:51] hi seb128 [11:51] morning [11:51] seb128: morning === sivang is away for about an hour, be back soon === sivang is now known as sivang_away [11:57] jdub, seb128: gtkmm2.4-2.5.5 just hit debian experimental :-D [11:59] yeah, I know [12:06] jdub: what's going on with beagle ? [12:06] got a prelim package without any depends :) [12:07] haven't spent much time on it since last weekend [12:07] k [12:08] jdub: and about *mm, is that ok to sync 2.5.n ? [12:09] jdub: when is feature freeze? at monday or after monday :) ? [12:09] how much stuff will that break in universe? :) [12:09] mvo_: wednesday === helix [~erinn@helix.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] jdub: ah, misread the schedule. thanks [12:11] yes, current format makes that confusing [12:11] jdub: gtkmm is in main, but since that's a GNOME stuff, for the freeze ... the breaking part is probably not an issue, the is not a ton of rdepends and dholbach has runned a part of them and that's fine [12:11] seb128: ok [12:12] seb128: (i am being abruti about C++ :-) [12:12] jdub: should I mail matt/you about this ? [12:12] ah ah [12:12] nah, go ahead [12:13] k, thanks [12:13] jdub: what does abruti mean? :-) [12:14] dholbach: it's french for meathead. [12:14] kind of [12:14] seb was being very mean to me one day ;) [12:15] abruti... sounds... erm ... nice :-) === seb128 hides :p [12:18] oh man [12:19] hrm [12:24] jdub: any new from Luis? he wanted to gimme some docs/artwork about gnome, looks like he's lost in bermuda ;) [12:25] s/new/news [12:25] i'll nudge him [12:26] interesting [12:26] anything playing through alsa plays fast === LarryT [user101@ARennes-306-1-2-158.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] hi people :) [12:27] unless it's playing through dmix [12:27] then it plays at normal speed [12:27] jdub: depending on kernel images at all has always generally been considered BONG, except for kernel modules specifically compiled against a particular module ABI [12:27] Kamion: yeah? hmm. [12:27] Kamion: should i just take out all the kernel related depends? [12:27] seems like a very bong package [12:28] I would, but I haven't looked at the package :-) [12:28] that said, everything but the driver seems to be Free [12:28] a no advertising clause is not considered non-free is it? [12:28] hmm daily-live has still keyboard problems, no @ and | if i choose german locale, xorg say "UNKOWN" [12:28] someone could tell me if gparted will be on ubuntu , pleae ? :) [12:29] LarryT: nobody's been working on it in Ubuntu. However, since Debian recently did a big parted upgrade, it might come into Debian soon; if so, there would be a case for us syncing it into universe. [12:29] may be i am not on the right channel ? ... [12:30] jdub: thx [12:32] LarryT: i'm working on it [12:32] there you're back :) [12:32] ah, I wasn't aware dholbach had been doing stuff [12:32] LarryT: but i want people to test it a bit, before it gets included and people jump down my throat because their partition was eaten :-) === seb128_ [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-18-43.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] Kamion: tried remaster the ppc, as you suggested with a hfs.map from CVS, CD still does not boot :( [12:38] I'll have to try the instructions out myself later === Mitario [~michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] Kamion: thx === LarryT [user101@ARennes-306-1-2-158.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:48] but LarryT was right... gparted on the liveCD would be *NICE* [12:50] so i probably should start a big call on package testing :-) === decko [decko@200.225.231.53] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@c208021.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] can we get fuse in the official kernels ? [01:12] or at least a built module ? === Kamion discovers another d'oh in timezone configuration, and fixes [01:16] hostap would be groovy too; then I could have wifi back on this laptop === fike [~luke@200-161-1-222.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang_away is now known as sivang [01:46] I'm back [01:49] ahr! all my sound is playing fast === Mithrandir kicks python === sivang goes to grab some coffe === Mithrandir kicks python some more [02:05] does python -c 'import locale; locale.setlocale(locale.LC_ALL, ""); print locale.getlocale()' do anything useful for any of you? [02:05] (generating a backtrace is not considered useful.) [02:08] ('en_US', 'utf') [02:08] bah, stupid python. [02:08] this is my default one, should I list me all the ones I have? [02:08] no, no need. [02:08] Mithrandir: 'C' [02:09] I found out what the problem is, and it's that python is dog stupid, having a hard-coded list of locales. [02:13] bah === fike [~luke@200-161-1-222.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-18-43.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ZorroBytes [~ZorroByte@82-69-75-178.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ZorroBytes [~ZorroByte@82-69-75-178.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === fwiffo [~jep@cpe.atm2-0-1101155.0x503f8eca.bynxx8.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:47] jdub: solved problem; the video RAM hack has been in for ages so it will give you however much you ask for, and we have DRM too [02:48] daniels: didn't seem to work on avdd's [02:48] daniels: btw, i noticed that neither my laptop nor his loaded the appropriate drm kernel module [02:49] mine has never loaded it, it seems [02:51] i915? [02:51] should get loaded when needed [02:52] hoary-only, btw [02:52] his is an i830, mine's an i855 [02:52] the Device>VideoRam setting didn't work [02:52] bongtasmic [02:52] using hoary? [02:53] but he got this awesome letterbox video mode [02:53] yeah [02:53] hmmmmm [02:54] he'll be over on wednesday, and possibly here earlier [02:54] haven't heard any other reports of that [02:54] and, I mean, I have an i855 ;) [02:54] does yours always load the i830 module? [02:54] *hpf* shit, uploaded a source-packaged to debian === ogra [~ogra@p508EA4E7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:54] jdub: For 855, the correct module is i915 [02:54] (does it always unload it when X quits?) [02:54] With Xorg [02:55] For 830 as well, come to think of it [02:55] oh [02:55] right, xorg change [02:55] i see [02:55] jdub: mine always uses i915 [02:55] jdub: and nah, it won't unload it [02:55] only load [02:56] ok, he must have i915 going [02:57] elmo: ping [03:02] daniels: did you see the vberestore thread on lkml? [03:04] elmo/lamont/anyone: ping? :) [03:06] bob2: nope [03:06] don't read lkml [03:06] ah [03:06] daniels: i've still trouble with the liveCD, german keyboard, no @ and | is possible [03:07] amu: sounds like you have pc104 instead of pc104 [03:07] er, instead of pc105 [03:07] bob2: when was it? [03:07] xorg.config say 105 [03:07] amu: really? [03:07] yep [03:07] same here, pc105 [03:07] bob2: ah, got it [03:08] daniels: hrm, yesterday I think [03:08] ah [03:08] dunno if it's got anything interesting, but it seemed like you might be able to fob some stuff off to the kernel now ;) [03:13] bob2: Not as yet, sadly [03:14] dang === sivang is stunned at the looks of the new gimp "about" box === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === [m0rph] [~morph@p83.129.204.101.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:27] daniels: XkbLayout says "UNKNOWN" [03:27] amu: ?!? [03:27] is the debconf priority at that stage high, or critical? [03:28] i suspect we need to bump the question to critical if it's unknown [03:28] either that, or default to us/pc105 and hope for the best :\ [03:28] anyway, I need to sleep. 'night all. [03:28] night daniels [03:29] amu: what language/location did you select? [03:29] daniels: ..on a booted liveCD, i must check the debconf prio .. [03:29] daniels: german/german [03:30] amu: ok, i'll check it out tomorrow or tuesday [03:30] daniels: ok, just let me know, if you need me to test something === mvo__ [~egon@suprimo-176.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:31] thanks dude, will do [03:31] daniels: thx2 and sleep well === lupus_ [~lupus@dD5772FB1.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gort_ [~jgbiggs@cs2417583-203.houston.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === drbyte [~byte@218.111.208.84] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [~dholbach@td9091cdc.pool.terralink.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:17] aj: sup? [04:23] lamont: irc.parisc isn't [04:24] aj: seems to be working for me... - see other window === danilo [~danilo@adsl-ull-2-152.46-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [~mbanck@socks-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Robert-wu [~hmm@p5091358E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:45] Mithrandir: what are you using for your python hacking as in an IDE? vim/emacs/other? :) [04:45] emacs [04:46] Mithrandir: (I am looking for something with object insight) [04:46] Mithrandir: cool, could you email me the python highlight parts of the config file? or is it some kind of a pluging that I have to install? [04:47] Mithrandir: (the one that tells which methods are available when issuing the dot :-) [04:47] no idea, I just browse the docs with firefox. [04:48] object insight. Bah. [04:48] That's crazy talk. [04:49] (but if you find a text-mode editor that does it well, tell me what it was?) [04:49] it's hard to do with python, since it's so dynamic. [04:50] infinity: hehe [04:51] Mithrandir: how do you enable the highlighting in emacs for python (it works quite well for me on C and Perl) === Duck_busy [duck@orfeo.duckcorp.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:51] anyone working at the python 2.4 transition ? [04:52] sivang: python-mode, possibly? Also (global-font-lock-mode t) [04:52] in .emacs [04:53] Mithrandir: how do I enable it? (it's a major or minor mode_ [04:53] ) [04:53] Mithrandir : ... If visual studio can manage object insight in their crappy text editors, I'm sure some enterprising free software developer can make a text mode editor not suck at it. [04:53] infinity: we should try do something up, how hard can it be ? ;-) [04:54] infinity: it's a lot easier to do in, say C++ than python. [04:54] I don't know about "hard".. But it'd be difficult to do it efficiently. [04:55] Visual Studio cheats by making you tell it ahead of time what you may or may not be linking to. [04:55] The "right" way would be to parse the source and determine what's being loaded, what it does, and how it's being used. Which sounds. Painfully inefficient. [04:56] infinity: right [04:56] :-/ [04:56] Maybe I should extend ae to be the ultimate python editor. :) [04:56] infinity: ae? === sivang apt-cache searches [04:57] sivang : My tiny editor of choice, cause I'm weird. [04:57] sivang : It was removed before woody. Remind me to upload it before Sarge (and get it in Hoary universe.. Hrm.. I have how many days?) [04:57] infinity: till wedensday [04:57] ah, my crappie spelling... [04:57] Anyhow. It's tiny. It's featureless. It's be a great base for adding worthless features like this, cause I wouldn't be stuck trying to slot it into the already-determined frameworks of vim and emacs. [04:58] infinity: right, what is it written in? [04:58] C. [04:58] infinity: superb :) [04:58] infinity: you are _sick_ [04:58] Mithrandir: LOLs [04:59] how it seems to me that all of the nice features an object has in python, would make it ideal to write such an editor in python , no? (let's not talk about the efficiency for the moment) [04:59] sivang: have you ever used the monstrosity that is ae? [05:00] Mithrandir: I don't think so, does it follow vim/pico/nano/emacs bindings? [05:00] well, you'd need to know the type of an object to introspect it. [05:00] actually, you need the object itself. [05:00] Mithrandir: eh right..which mean instantiating it? [05:01] you can't just do that. Imagine a method foo(self, bar); how are you going to introspect on bar? [05:01] hrm right....:-/ [05:02] even introspecting on self can be hard enough, since something might have added properties to self which you use. [05:02] not a good coding style, I agree, but very much possible. [05:02] Mithrandir : Oh, it's not that bad. :) [05:03] sivang : Keybindings are completely configurable, though it ships with some defaults people might be comfy with. Does modal and modeless, etc. [05:03] Mithrandir : Doing it in a foolproof manner might be tough, but getting it "close enough" mightn't be too hard. [05:04] infinity: maybe to mere ease off the reference searching task... [05:05] infinity: how would you introspect at bar above, then? Analyze the call graph? [05:06] I could always embed python and use it to figure itself out... [05:07] infinity: is there a way to embed python in a python script? [05:08] Maybe. I certainly hope not. [05:08] I suppose you could write a python python library that linked to libpython, but. Uhm. Why? [05:08] yes, that sounds, a bit how to say? strange? [05:11] lamont: cyrus-sasl seems to be missing on amd64 [05:15] sivang: in general, for my emacs stuff just look at http://err.no/dotfiles/emacs [05:16] Mithrandir: thanks, this is a domain of yours? [05:16] yes [05:16] wow :) === cevi [~ml@83-64-0-14.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:24] seb128, can you update libdbus-cil for the new mono [05:24] why me ? [05:25] ask to one of the guys who work on it rather [05:25] lupus_: whats wrong with it [05:25] ie tseng :) [05:25] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mono-assemblies-base_1.0.5-2_all.deb (--unpack): [05:25] trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/mono', which is also in package libdbus-cil [05:25] Errors were encountered while processing: [05:25] oh like that you mean [05:25] oh, there is a bug in bugzilla about it === rubenv [~lambda1@83-134-130-140.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:25] has nothing to do with the "new mono" really. [05:26] true [05:26] let's say the new mono package :) [05:26] for now you can dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/mono-assemblies-base_1.0.5-2_all.deb [05:26] lets [05:26] and CC yourself on the bug. [05:27] k [05:27] thx [05:28] tseng: do you know if somebody has planned to update f-spot ? [05:28] i do not [05:28] k [05:29] havent met the maintainer yet, and i cant get on the pkg-mono list [05:29] as of yesterday [05:29] k [05:29] I'll ping the maintainer on the debian side first :) [05:30] alright. [05:30] seb128: do you know if there was any decisoin about removing the change UID field in users-admin "advanced" tab? There's a major bug report about this. [05:30] yay, got on the list now [05:30] sivang: I know, the bug is assigned to me :p [05:30] someone fixed mailman [05:31] sivang: I think we should just mask it from the UI [05:31]