[12:02] <trulux> mdz: http://wiki.debian-hardened.org/SELinux_on_Debian
[12:03] <jdub> mdz: the red hat thing that switches permissions around so console users can do things like play sound
[12:03] <mdz> jdub: so glad we didn't go that way
[12:03] <jdub> indeed
[12:04] <mdz> trulux: where is the patch for dpkg?
[12:04] <jdub> but libuser would still be nice
[12:04] <mdz> trulux: has it been reviewed by the dpkg maintainers?
[12:04] <jdub> (i don't think we ever seriously discussed consolehelper)
[12:04] <mdz> trulux: where are the patches for coreutils, fileutils and initscripts?
[12:04] <mdz> we discussed pam_console
[12:04] <mdz> and it sounds like consolehelper is the same idea
[12:04] <jdub> pam_console uses consolehelper
[12:05] <jdub> you can use pam_console without molesting everything on the system though ;)
[12:05] <trulux> mdz: http://www.golden-gryphon.com/software/security/selinux.xhtml
[12:06] <mxpxpod> tseng: ping
[12:06] <tseng> mxpxpod: yes sir?
[12:06] <mxpxpod> tseng: did you ever figure out the tomboy stuff?
[12:06] <tseng> no
[12:06] <tseng> i did make some progress with muine 0.8.1
[12:08] <mxpxpod> tseng: oh? how so?
[12:08] <mdz> trulux: thanks.   that seems to answer only the first question, though
[12:08] <tseng> mxpxpod: i have a working package
[12:08] <tseng> mxpxpod: the one patch im not happy with yet
[12:08] <mxpxpod> tseng: what's your repo
[12:08] <tseng> mxpxpod: had to hardcode a path
[12:08] <mxpxpod> ugh
[12:08] <mxpxpod> not good
[12:08] <trulux> mdz: it's late here, I will repare the info. for you tomorrow
[12:09] <trulux> mdz: is it OK?
[12:09] <mdz> trulux: yes, thank you
[12:09] <trulux> mdz: you're welcome
[12:09] <trulux> nite
[12:09] <mdz> trulux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SELinux
[12:12] <trulux> mdz: that's ajmitch, yes, we started the page
[12:12] <trulux> I will make it feeling more complete tomorrow
[12:12] <tseng> nice, trulux 
[12:12] <mxpxpod> thom: poing
[12:13] <tseng> mxpxpod: ill upload the sources for you
[12:13] <mxpxpod> tseng: thanks.. for tomboy?
[12:13] <tseng> for muine
[12:13] <mxpxpod> oh, ok
[12:13] <trulux> ajmitch: objects ( files, devices ) <- change this on SELinux wiki page, add also sockets, as netlink classes provide fine-grained control over networking-related permissions and such
[12:13] <trulux> ok folks, nite
[12:13] <trulux> :)
[12:14] <mdz> Mithrandir: ping?
[12:20] <tseng> mxpxpod: http://getsweaaa.com/~tseng/muine/
[12:20] <mxpxpod> tseng: thanks
[12:21] <tseng> mxpxpod: oh, didnt upload sources for gtk-sharp2
[12:21] <tseng> they are from:
[12:21] <tseng> http://www.ilrt.bristol.ac.uk/people/cmdjb/2004/muine/devel/
[12:23] <crimsun> tseng: did david mention reworking his packages to be parallel-installable with gtk# 1.0?
[12:23] <tseng> crimsun: he already did it
[12:23] <crimsun> ah, ok. thanks.
[12:23] <tseng> np
[12:23] <tseng> it installs to a different dir
[12:25] <tseng> if anyone wants to have a look at that muine package, note that patch to muine.exe.config.in
[12:25] <tseng> in 0.6.3 the value was @prefix@/blah/libmuine.so
[12:26] <tseng> reverting to that no longer seems to expand @prefix@, ive hardcoded it for now
[12:26] <tseng> not sure id want to upload it like that once the time comes
[12:32] <jbailey_> dilinger: You here?
[12:40] <mxpxpod> when I reboot my laptop, I get messages saying that the "none" filessytem is busy and that it can't unmount any fs's
[12:40] <mxpxpod> does anyone else get this behavior?
[12:42] <mxpxpod> lamont: ping
[12:44] <mxpxpod> I'll have to talk to lamont about this tomorrow
[12:45] <mxpxpod> see you guys later
[12:47] <dilinger> jbailey_: yep
[12:52] <jbailey_> dilinger: I've discovered that my acpi problems also mean that it doens't know I have fans.  I'm going to hunt down a 2.6,9 kernel and finish the setup for you.
[12:52] <jbailey_> dilinger: Sorry about the lag.
[12:54] <dilinger> np.  this is 2.6.10 you're having acpi problems w/?
[12:55] <dilinger> or 2.6.8?
[12:57] <jbailey> 2.6.10, ubuntu kernel. mjg59 and fabionne said that it's known suckage.
[01:07] <bluefoxicy> dilinger:  i'm thinking, `make-kpkg --append-to-version -2 --revision hardened-generic` will build linux-image-2.6.10-2-hardened-generic.deb?
[01:09] <robertj> mdz: will you have 5 minutes anytime in the next hour to look over my patches?
[01:11] <bluefoxicy> damnit!
[01:12] <robertj> or anyone who knows what they are doing actually ;)
[01:12] <crimsun> robertj: if no one's responding, please send to ubuntu-devel@
[01:12] <crimsun> more eyes that way
[01:14] <robertj> crimsun: well I think its actually ready to assign to a bug report
[01:14] <robertj> if noone is handy I'm just going to tack it on, it's working fine here
[01:14] <robertj> I'd give it a 50/50 chance of "noone does their patches that way, do this instead," but it's not the end of the world ;)
[01:18] <ajmitch> afternoon
[01:21] <mjg59> jbailey: Yeah, should be fixed in the next upload
[01:36] <juan> on warty I mounted my windows partition on /media/windows for access it on my Desktop :) but I upgraded to hoary and my /media/windows doesn't appear on my Desktop... How can I fix that? thanks :P
[01:37] <crimsun> juan: this is a #ubuntu question, thanks.
[01:38] <juan> I'm there now, I'm waiting...
[01:38] <juan> and waitng... and sorry for stay here
[01:38] <juan> bye
[02:21] <mjg59> Become a DD and give me your own hot love
[02:23] <jdub> mjg59: you've put up a campaign site and/or pitch?
[02:24] <mjg59> jdub: I believe someone else has already done that for me
[02:24] <mjg59> 6 months ago
[02:24] <jdub> heh
[02:25] <bob2> jdub: angrydpl.com
[02:25] <bob2> not affiliated with kinnison in any way
[02:27] <daniels> mjg59: dude, I am
[02:27] <daniels> mjg59: i just need to con elmo into unlocking my account by getting my new key signed
[02:28] <jdub> oh man
[02:28] <jdub> i thought there was fantastic new information
[02:30] <daniels> jdub: no, but he nominated
[02:30] <jdub> see that's the new information i'm looking for
[02:30] <jdub> debian-devel?
[02:31] <mjg59> debian-vote
[02:31] <jdub> first nomination, eh
[02:31] <jdub> oh, boring nomination
[02:32] <jdub> debian has weird voting conventions
[02:32] <jdub> haha, april 17th
[02:33] <jdub> you become dpl on my wedding day ;)
[02:38] <robertj> should I ubuntu-devel for a MOTU to take a look at the bug I uploaded a patch to or is there another procedure?
[02:46] <mdz> robertj: ubuntu-devel is best
[03:05] <dilinger> bluefoxicy: heh, no, the amd64 needs to be added to the --append-to
[03:05] <bluefoxicy> ah
[03:05] <dilinger> assuming you want 2.6.10-2-amd64
[03:05] <bluefoxicy> gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file "/home/bluefox/.gnupg/gpg.conf"
[03:05] <bluefoxicy> gpg: skipped `John Moser': secret key not available
[03:05] <bluefoxicy> gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[03:05] <bluefoxicy> make: *** [stamp-buildpackage]  Error 2
[03:06] <bluefoxicy> dilinger:  and the -2?
[03:06] <bluefoxicy> and -hardened
[03:07] <bluefoxicy> does not match expectations:
[03:07] <bluefoxicy>                         "2.6.10-hardened-amd64"
[03:09] <dilinger> i'm not sure what you're going for exactly, but if you want it to show up as the actual version (ie, /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-2-amd64-hardened), include it in the --append-to-version.  starting w/ -2
[03:10] <bluefoxicy> ok
[03:11] <bluefoxicy> this thing keeps crying to me about debian/changelog and I'm getting confused as to htf you people actually generate the -k7 -generic etc, it looks like you have to modify the changelog for each build????????
[03:12] <crimsun> no, just use --append-to-version
[03:12] <crimsun> take a look at the debian/rules script(s)
[03:17] <bluefoxicy> root@icebox:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10# make-kpkg --append-to-version -hardened-amd64 clean 
[03:17] <bluefoxicy> root@icebox:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10# make-kpkg --append-to-version -hardened-amd64 buildpackage
[03:18] <bluefoxicy> oh wow it worked
[03:18] <daniels> bluefoxicy: that means that in the changelog, you just put 'John Moser'
[03:19] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  i'm pretty much making thes efor my own use anyway
[03:19] <bluefoxicy> though it's a useful skill to be qualified to be a debian maintainer I guess
[03:20] <bluefoxicy> my lan teacher is gonna teach us to packet sniff in useful ways
[03:20] <bluefoxicy> i.e. to steal passwords and identify why the hell dhcp isn't working
[03:21] <daniels> bluefoxicy: Try 'John Moser <email@add.ress>', where email@add.ress is the address of a key in your gpg secret ring
[03:21] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  i'm doing this as root and sudo is broken, it makes root's home /home/bluefox
[03:22] <crimsun> -rfakeroot ?
[03:22] <daniels> bluefoxicy: sudo -H, dude
[03:22] <bluefoxicy> ah
[03:22] <daniels> bluefoxicy: although why you need to do it as root at all is beyond me
[03:22] <bluefoxicy> daniels:  because i'm not in the src group, i don't feel like loging out/in of gnome, and I can't figure out how to get newgrp to stfu about passwords
[03:23] <daniels> bluefoxicy: i untar it to my homedir, and use make-kpkg --whatever build && fakeroot debian/rules kernel_image_deb, but to each his own
[06:51] <fabbione> morning
[06:51] <crimsun> morning, fabbione.
[07:36] <fabbione> ehehhe
[07:54] <dholbach> morning
[08:55] <mdz> fabbione: morning
[08:55] <fabbione> hey mdz
[08:55] <mdz> amu: ping?
[08:56] <dholbach> hi you two :-)
[09:32] <fabbione> mdz: am I ok to upload a kernel with aBI change now?
[09:35] <rubenv> mjg59: when waking up my laptop from sleep, my screen brightened up and almost nuked, is this normal?
[09:35] <Treenaks> rubenv: your screen almost died? wow
[09:35] <rubenv> Treenaks: i've not waited to see the effects
[09:35] <rubenv> started going very very bright
[09:36] <rubenv> didn't knew it was able to do that
[09:36] <Treenaks> leet :)
[09:36] <rubenv> not really, unless you want an expensive flashlight ;-)
[09:54] <sivang> morning all
[09:55] <Treenaks> hey siv
[09:55] <sivang> Hey Treenaks  :)
[09:59] <dholbach> hai sivang
[10:00] <sivang> dholbach: hey daniel
[10:00] <sivang> 'sup?
[10:01] <sivang> dholbach: good luck my freind!
[10:01] <dholbach> i even dreamt, i'd fail and my brother (who does something completely different) would pass it :-)
[10:01] <dholbach> thanks sivan :-)
[10:01] <sivang> dholbach: don't shudder, just feel self confident enough and everything would be ok :)
[10:02] <dholbach> sivang: it'll turn out ok, i guess :-)
[10:03] <sivang> dholbach: I know you are.
[10:04] <dholbach> sivang: bon apptit :-)
[10:06] <Treenaks> hm, someone  broke a post/preinst somewhere
[10:06] <Treenaks> I have a file named "1" in my /, with update-rc.d info about /etc/rc0.d/K76fileordering 
[10:06] <Treenaks> (and rc6.d)
[10:19] <pitti> Hi guys!
[10:19] <fabbione> hey pitti
[10:19] <mvo_> hi pitti, hi fabbione 
[10:19] <fabbione> hey mvo
[10:20] <pitti> guys, anything urgent? my main internet connection is broken except for http
[10:20] <pitti> so I mainly work without irc
[10:20] <fabbione> pitti: yes.. the kernel is broken.. wanna fix?
[10:20] <fabbione> :P
[10:21] <pitti> fabbione: yeah, wait, I quickly exchange the sources
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[10:21] <pitti> fabbione: fixed, now it's GNU/HURD :-)
[10:22] <fabbione> hehehe
[10:23] <Kamion> morning
[10:24] <Kamion> fabbione: I don't think there's any reason not to upload a new kernel now, might as well get it over with
[10:25] <fabbione> Kamion: i just had to be sure there was nothing pending/urgent from Array4
[10:25] <Kamion> not that I'm aware of
[10:25] <fabbione> cool
[10:25] <Kamion> and at this stage it would seem unlikely :)
[10:26] <fabbione> you may never know :P
[10:26] <Kamion> Treenaks: amusingly, there's also a '1' in readahead's source package
[10:27] <Treenaks> Kamion: hmmm...
[10:27] <Kamion> Treenaks: see changelog for readahead 1.0.1-2, it's been fixed
[10:27] <fabbione> lamont: are you still around?
[10:27] <Kamion>   * Fix some redirections with '&'s in the wrong place
[10:27] <Kamion>     Thanks, Daniel Robitaille
[10:27] <Treenaks> Kamion: ok.. so it's safe to remove /1 ;)
[10:27] <Kamion> Treenaks: is it dated before 24 Jan 2005?
[10:27] <Treenaks> Kamion: yes, 17-01
[10:27] <Kamion> Treenaks: yeah, can remove it
[10:35] <pitti> yay, net is back
[10:55] <opi> uh! Long time no see.
[10:55] <Treenaks> wb opi
[10:55] <opi> I have a problem, who is in charge of UTF-8 packages for Hoary?
[10:55] <opi> I have UTF-8.pl keymap to put in Hoary before freeze
[10:55] <opi> pitti: ping? :)
[10:55] <pitti> opi: pong
[10:56] <opi> pitti: should I sent you it? :)
[10:56] <pitti> opi: for X or console?
[10:57] <opi> pitti: the problem is, I don't know where to put it, and I wish it will not waste
[10:57] <pitti> opi: is it an X keymap?
[10:57] <opi> pitti: console
[10:57] <opi> pl-utf.kmap
[11:00] <opi> Maintainer: Alastair McKinstry <mckinstry@debian.org>
[11:00] <opi> is an maintainer of console-tools
[11:01] <opi> should I poke him, then?
[11:02] <pitti> opi: you should poke him anyway, if it finds its way through debian to upstream, this is the best way
[11:02] <pitti> opi: however, feel free to mail me the keymap, I can include it into Ubuntu as well
[11:02] <opi> but it won't go in Ubuntu/Hoary
[11:03] <opi> and that's my priority 
[11:03] <opi> :-)
[11:03] <Mithrandir> mdz: pong
[11:05] <Kamion> opi: file a bug please and we'll figure out who's responsible
[11:06] <Kamion> I've been dealing with a fair bit of console-tools stuff up to now, but I'm no exper
[11:06] <opi> Kamion: ok, I'll attache it
[11:06] <Kamion> +t
[11:06] <opi> Kamion: thanks
[11:29] <Hwolf> Is nautilus cd-burner unusabe?
[11:30] <seb128> ?
[11:31] <Hwolf> Trying to burn a disk, and it doesn't see the cd in the writer
[11:31] <Treenaks> Hwolf: why wouldn't it be?
[11:32] <Hwolf> I'm pressing burn, an empty disk is in the drive, and it doesn't burn.
[11:33] <seb128> even if you retry ?
[11:33] <Hwolf> Yup
[11:33] <seb128> there is a bug about this but it works after retrying
[11:34] <Hwolf> I've even checked that the cd is actually in the burner. Right side down even.
[11:34] <Hwolf> It's there, I've retried 10 times.
[11:34] <Treenaks> Hwolf: any error messages in ~/.xsession-errors?
[11:34] <Treenaks> or where-ever gnome-session puts them
[11:35] <seb128> Hwolf: wait for the next release so
[11:35] <seb128> the bug is fixed upstream
[11:35] <Hwolf> seb128: ok, it's gnome, so it'll still get in?
[11:37] <Kamion> yes
[11:37] <seb128> correct
[11:40] <Hwolf> seb128: will that bug with the menu be ironed out? the size of the 'program tabs' in the window list?
[11:40] <seb128> no idea
[11:41] <Hwolf> seb128, could you untill that time adjust the default of the window list applet to set min-size to 700 or so?
[11:42] <seb128> Hwolf: I'll ping upstreams about this, but that's not a big issue for a devel branch
[11:43] <Hwolf> True
[11:46] <seb128> elmo: libbonobo, libbonoboui sync please
[11:46] <seb128> jdub: around ?
[11:48] <jdub> yo
[11:54] <seb128> jdub: could you run your magic to know what GNOME packages are outdated ?
[11:58] <jdub> seb128: ok
[11:58] <jdub> seb128: going to get dinner first tho :)
[11:59] <seb128> no problem, there is no hurry 
[11:59] <seb128> have a good dinner :)
[12:01] <Mithrandir> doko_: ping
[12:02] <doko_> Mithrandir: pong
[12:02] <Mithrandir> doko_: you saw my python2.4 upload?
[12:04] <doko_> yes, this morning. is this necessary for the 2.4 branch as well?
[12:04] <Mithrandir> uhm, it was the 2.4 branch.
[12:05] <Mithrandir> it makes locale usable with python2.3 in a Norwegian locale.
[12:05] <Mithrandir> without, it throws silly errors.
[12:05] <doko_> you made a change in 2.4 so that locales are usable in 2.3?
[12:06] <Mithrandir> no
[12:06] <Mithrandir> I made a change in 2.4 so that locales are usable in 2.4
[12:06] <Mithrandir> the same fix should be applied to 2.3 if one wants nb_NO to be usable as a locale there.
[12:07] <doko_> Mithrandir: ok
[12:30] <thom> anyone played with using a bluetooth headset with alsa?
[12:30] <Treenaks> thom: is that possible?
[12:31] <pitti> elmo: please sync pmount 0.7.1-1 from incoming
[12:31] <thom> Treenaks: it seems that it is, but i'm just wary that i'll end up doing too much hacking to make it work
[12:57] <doko_> hmm, is the temporary inconsistency? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/source/Sources.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[12:58] <elmo> yeah
[12:59] <Hwolf> md5 mismatches suck. I was planning to install array-4, and after formatting I found out it was corrupt. Had to install from array-3 and update. :-S
[12:59] <Kamion> Hwolf: must have been a download problem
[12:59] <Kamion> (or a burn issue)
[01:00] <Hwolf> Kamion: Yup, the one time I don't bother checking the md5 because I was so exited. :-)
[01:01] <Kamion> elmo: oh, any chance of getting signed MD5SUMS of the {,daily-}installer-* trees in the archive?
[01:02] <elmo> signed by who?
[01:03] <Kamion> the archive key?
[01:06] <elmo> Kamion: err, I guess
[01:14] <Kamion> elmo: (it's so that you can do a secure netboot install; at the moment everything's signed apart from the kernel/initrd)
[01:19] <helix> sivang: why wooha?
[01:20] <sivang> helix: wooha = what a bunch of nice, high quality footage :)
[01:20] <helix> oh ok. glad you like it.
[01:20] <helix> my name is spelled 'erinn', btw :)
[01:21] <fabbione> hey helix
[01:21] <helix> hey :)
[01:25] <jbailey> Erinn!
[01:25] <helix> jeff, dear
[01:32] <fabbione> elmo: i think i just ddosed rsync on archive.u.c
[01:33] <fabbione> can you check if there are really 15 connections from different ip's?
[01:35] <dholbach> re
[01:36] <elmo> fabbione: there are a couple of folks on more than once, but not you AFAICS
[01:36] <fabbione> elmo: ok thanks
[01:36] <fabbione> 212.242.114.141
[01:37] <fabbione> can we restrict to one session per source ip?
[01:37] <elmo> hmm, damn I wish rsync had per ip connection limits
[01:37] <fabbione> ah ok
[01:37] <fabbione> because it's hours i can't rsync
[01:37] <elmo> oh, I guess we can if I run rsync via xinetd
[01:37] <fabbione> and sparc is lagging for that
[01:38] <fabbione> yeah an empty slot!
[01:38] <elmo> there's some guy using 5 connections slots up
[01:38] <fabbione> ah nice...
[01:38] <fabbione> ban him :P
[01:50] <thom> aargh, more cdbs crack
[01:51] <jbailey> thom: Mm?
[01:51] <jbailey> thom: What'cha need?
[01:51] <fabbione> hey jb :)
[01:51] <jbailey> Fabio!
[01:51] <thom> nah, i'm just doing my traditional whimpering
[01:51] <elmo> is there a "Mid-East" to the US?
[01:52] <jbailey> thom: Ah, a'ight.  If you actually need something fixed without the use of 'rm', lemme know. =)
[01:52] <elmo> well, obviously there is, but is it as idiomatic "Mid-West US"?
[01:52] <thom> jbailey: yeah, will do :-)
[01:52] <thom> jbailey: fortunately, this was just the addition of files to install
[01:52] <jbailey> elmo: No, the middle east is filled with brown skinned people and desert (And includes a large chunk of asia and india).  I think CNN tries not to confuse the public. =)
[01:53] <elmo> hmm, well, what's a good way of breaking down US mirrors?
[01:54] <elmo> geographically being the preferred choice - would most USians recognise states in a useful fashion?
[01:55] <jbailey> elmo: Keep in mind that I'm not American, but the divisions I've heard seem to be East coast, new england, south, midwest, and west coast.  The groups seems to be about similar population densities.
[01:56] <sabdfl> hi guys
[01:56] <sivang> hey sabdfl 
[01:56] <sabdfl> am having erros booting warty on an hp proliant dl140
[01:56] <sabdfl> errors, not eros
[01:56] <sabdfl> ;-)
[01:57] <sabdfl> any idea what might cause this:
[01:57] <fabbione> hey sabdfl 
[01:57] <sabdfl> pivot_root: No such file or directory
[01:57] <fabbione> where is the root located?
[01:57] <sabdfl> it cannot find /dev/console apparently
[01:57] <sabdfl> fabbione: the root is on a /dev/hda3
[01:57] <fabbione> that sounds like a broken initrd
[01:58] <jbailey> Definetly broken initrd.
[01:58] <sabdfl> how do i recreate an initrd?
[01:58] <jbailey> Usually means that the driver for the root filesystem isn't getting loaded for some reason.
[01:58] <sabdfl> yes, thats it
[01:58] <jbailey> sabdfl: Was this after a kernel upgrade or a fresh install?
[01:58] <fabbione> sabdfl: reinstalling the kernel..
[01:58] <fabbione> sabdfl: boot via d-i and stop at the partitioner
[01:58] <sabdfl> jbailey: it's after someone copied a root partition to a new machine :-)
[01:59] <sabdfl> can i not just uninstall and reinstall a kernel?
[01:59] <fabbione> go to the shell and mount the fs in /target
[01:59] <fabbione> from there you can chroot
[01:59] <sabdfl> i have a statically-compiled kernel that works
[01:59] <jbailey> sabdfl: Yeah, sorry that current initrd's suck for that.  The new stuff for Hoary+1 should be better.
[01:59] <jbailey> sabdfl: You can also just run mkinitrd
[01:59] <sabdfl> which will be easier and faster, mkinitrd or fabbione's d-i hack?
[02:00] <jbailey> mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-${VERSION} ${VERSION}
[02:00] <thom> if you have a static kernel that works, mkinitrd; fabio is working around an entirely non-booting machine
[02:00] <elmo> sabdfl: err, is this normal warty or customized?
[02:00] <jbailey> is all the kernel reinstall does, but you have to be able to get that far.
[02:00] <elmo> 'cos I installed normal warty on our DL140's without problems
[02:00] <sabdfl> elmo: warty, server install (base + selected packages)
[02:01] <fabbione> sabdfl: if you can boot with another kernel, go for it.
[02:01] <sabdfl> this was installed on another box, then the root was copied over (don't ask)
[02:01] <sabdfl> i'mn trying to clean it up
[02:01] <fabbione> sabdfl: i supposed you were installing from scratch
[02:01] <sabdfl> ok
[02:01] <sabdfl> jbailey: so mkinitrd figures out what it needs?
[02:02] <jbailey> sabdfl: Yeah.  In the even that it's wrong, add modules to /etc/mkinitrd/modules
[02:02] <jbailey> (IT's a text file, one per line)
[02:02] <jbailey> But for the HP server series, I've never had a problem.
[02:02] <sabdfl> and VERSION should be the version of the latest kernel?
[02:02] <sabdfl> 2.6.8.1-3.686-smp?
[02:02] <sabdfl> or somesuch?
[02:03] <jbailey> sabdfl: Yes, whichever one you want to rebuild.
[02:03] <sabdfl> superb
[02:03] <sabdfl> thanks muchly guys
[02:04] <fabbione> sabdfl: :-)
[02:09] <jbailey> elmo: I took a look this weekend, and noticed that there were more pieces for nagios-plugins not in main than I had expected.  I'd like to nuke the nagios-radius-plugin that I made before and replaces: it all with nagios-plugins-extra
[02:09] <jbailey> elmo: Any objections?
[02:10] <elmo> jbailey: confused - what else is missing?
[02:10] <jbailey> elmo: I hadn't realised from the bug report that all three of those things mentioned were in main.  I thought you were just doing a review and that forcing people to install all of that was insane (which it is...)
[02:11] <jbailey> So radiusclient, qstat, and libsnmp-perl are all three needed.  So instead of making separate packages for each, I figured I may as well do a nagios-plugins-extra package and be done with it.
[02:11] <jbailey> That way if others creep in (and they surely will) we can just stuff them in there.
[02:12] <elmo> oic, so demote them to a separate package rather than a recommends/suggests.. fair enough
[02:14] <sivang> fabbione: one of the best theme music I've heared, btw :)
[02:14] <fabbione> sivang: i have the version redone by Axel Roses :-)
[02:16] <seb128> elmo: gtkmm2.4 glibmm2.4 libglademm2.4 gconfmm2.6 (exp) and gnome-vfsmm2.6 libgnomecanvasmm2.6 libgnomemm2.6 libgnomeuimm2.6 (unst) syncs please
[02:16] <jbailey> elmo: Yeah.  Satisfies all the build-dep issues, and means that there's no risk of someone getting false readings when the plugins don't safely cope with being run when pieces are missing.  (They appear to generate false-"I'm up" states)
[02:17] <sivang> fabbione: amazingly enough, I also have it, and *is* the one I like best :) , Guns'N'Roses were ever working IMHO :)
[02:17] <sivang> fabbione: I think Slash is doing the lead solo on that version right?
[02:17] <elmo> jbailey: eww! (false-up)
[02:35] <jdub> seb128: whoa, *mm central!
[02:35] <seb128> :)
[02:38] <lamont> fabbione: at 0230, I'm genarally asleep.. :-)
[02:38] <fabbione> lamont: you may never know :-)
[02:38] <fabbione> but i got from kyle what i was searching for
[02:39] <lamont> yeah - saw that.
[02:39] <lamont> you gonna upload my ia64 fix today?
[02:39] <fabbione> i did the ia64 fix in -14
[02:39] <fabbione> or are you talking about something else?
[02:40] <fabbione> last think i changed for ia64 was:
[02:40] <fabbione> linux-source-2.6.10 (2.6.10-14) hoary; urgency=low
[02:40] <fabbione> 
[02:40] <fabbione>   * Add ext2 modules udeb for ia64.
[02:40] <fabbione> 
[02:40] <fabbione>   * Unset CONFIG_BLK_DEV_AMD74XX on ia64.
[02:48] <zul> hey
[02:48] <fabbione> hey zul
[02:48] <zul> hey fabbione how is it going?
[02:48] <fabbione> zul that libata stuff is crack imho
[02:48] <fabbione> zul: getting ready to upload -15 today
[02:48] <zul> the one in the bug?
[02:48] <fabbione> yes that one
[02:48] <fabbione> one patch is bogus
[02:48] <fabbione> the it has some bits that conflicts with the other
[02:49] <fabbione> (+ they are really useless there)
[02:49] <zul> yeah i noticed i just pulled a copy out of bitkeeper
[02:49] <fabbione> cool
[02:49] <fabbione> did you test it?
[02:49] <zul> well it applied i dont have ata to test it on
[02:49] <fabbione> oh ok
[02:49] <fabbione> does it build?
[02:49] <zul> oh yes
[02:50] <fabbione> ok.. send it over.. it's ready for warty
[02:50] <zul> k
[02:50] <zul> ill put it up on my webpage
[02:50] <fabbione> or on the bug...
[02:50] <fabbione> whatever is fine
[02:50] <zul> yeah im at work right now
[02:51] <zul> gimme a sec
[02:51] <fabbione> all the time you need
[02:51] <fabbione> i am waiting the turtle to check if it builds drm
[02:51] <zul> heh
[02:51] <fabbione> the new code introduced a regression...
[02:53] <zul> done
[02:56] <ogra> ladies and gentlemen, may i introduce you to the new lsb info data, soon available in a device manager near you: http://www.grawert.net/hal_lsb_info.png (yes, i know that the bios data is missing icons, i'm working on it)
[02:56] <enrico> elmo: hello.  Want to close this repository migration stuff?
[02:57] <fabbione> zul: is this patch on top of the libata updates that we already have?
[02:58] <elmo> oh yeah, I was downloading the snapshot before my X server decided to die again
[02:58] <zul> fabbione: no you dont have to drop any of the patches for the ata we already have sorry i should have mentioned that
[02:58] <fabbione> ok
[02:58] <ogra> :)
[02:59] <enrico> elmo: glub!  33Mb!  I see...
[03:00] <zul> fabbione: when i was building the kernel i didnt reliazed it build all the images for 386 smp etc
[03:01] <fabbione> zul: ahahha
[03:01] <zul> fabbione: so saturday morning it was still building confused the hell out of me
[03:01] <fabbione> zul: apt-get install ccache
[03:02] <zul> yeah yeah 
[03:03] <enrico> elmo: I'm trying to download them and put a compressed version online for you 
[03:03] <elmo> enrico: don't worry
[03:03] <elmo> enrico: the data centre has plenty of bandwidth :)
[03:03] <elmo> I'm restoring it now
[03:04] <elmo> (plenty == I just got 10M/s trans-atlantic to a mirror ;-)
[03:06] <elmo> ok, restored, creating the user accounts now
[03:08] <elmo> enrico: done you're new password; please check it out and see if it Works For You
[03:08] <dholbach> bbl
[03:10] <enrico> elmo: did you send me the new password via mail?
[03:12] <elmo> enrico: I used the one you sent me?
[03:13] <enrico> elmo: I'm silly
[03:15] <sivang> ogra: hi oliver, what's up? nice screenshot
[03:16] <enrico> elmo: relocated perfectly, commit works!
[03:16] <enrico> elmo: I'm writing the announcement message
[03:17] <ogra> sivang: yeah, i'm nearly done with my hal oatch, now we have /proc/cpuinfo, /proc/meminfo, the data o dmidecode and the data of lsb_release in hal .... so lshal will offeryou nearly everything now ;)
[03:17] <Treenaks> ogra: nice!
[03:17] <ogra> s/oatch/patch/
[03:17] <enrico> elmo: have you created the other two accounts (Nick, Sean) as well?
[03:18] <elmo> enrico: yes, just finished doing that; have mailed them their uname/pwords
[03:18] <elmo> enrico: was there anyone else yet?
[03:18] <sivang> enrico: can I have one also?
[03:18] <ogra> i'm wondering if i should add some dynamic X info if $DISPLAY is set.....(xdpyinfo) 
[03:18] <Treenaks> ogra: did you see the NMEA-compatible GPS detection code for HAL that I wrote in Mataro?a
[03:19] <ogra> Treenaks: no, not yet....
[03:19] <enrico> elmo: that's very cool.  There should me more people (sivang, for example, which I'll LART very soon; plovs; ChrisH; hornbeck), but they didn't send the data yet
[03:19] <Treenaks> ogra: it's cool, but a bit hacky
[03:19] <Treenaks> ogra: and only works on USB serial ports for now :(
[03:20] <zul> thats not nice
[03:21] <enrico> sivang: of course you can have commit access.  Just read http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-February/001146.html for instructions on how to do it
[03:27] <ogra> gah
[03:28] <Treenaks> ogra: I'll mail it to you..
[03:28] <ogra> Treenaks: better poke my distribuor......that was a real odd hardlock of my keyboard....
[03:29] <Treenaks> ogra: hmm.. weird
[03:30] <ogra> i'm having xkb probs since i have this machine....will file a bug once i found out where to look....
[03:30] <enrico> elmo: sent the announcement.  Did jdub create the -commits mailing list?
[03:30] <enrico> sivang: seen the mail?  Sent the data?
[03:31] <Treenaks> ogra: in your mailbox
[03:31] <sivang> enrico: in a sec, I am on the phone :)
[03:32] <elmo> doko_: ?
[03:32] <elmo> bleh, nm
[03:33] <elmo> enrico: err, I don't know sorry; he hasn't said anything to me at least
[03:34] <jdub> yo
[03:34] <jdub> enrico: i msged you on saturdayish
[03:34] <elmo> enrico: but http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc-commits seems to work ..
[03:34] <jdub> hold on
[03:34] <jdub> i'll reset the password
[03:34] <sivang> yo jdub 
[03:34] <elmo> enrico: so I've updated the mail-on-commit hooks to point there
[03:35] <enrico> cool!
[03:35] <enrico> jdub: msged me?  let me see
[03:35] <jdub> elmo: what will the sender address be?
[03:35] <ogra> Treenaks: you should clean up and send it to sjoerd for inclusion ;)
[03:35] <doko_> elmo: pong
[03:36] <Treenaks> ogra: I already sent it to Sjoerd... I also need to test it with recent HAL
[03:36] <elmo>  - it should never be down ever again (or just be down less often)
[03:36] <Treenaks> ogra: nice project for tonight :)
[03:36] <ogra> ;)
[03:36] <elmo> enrico: I'm glad you qualified that
[03:36] <elmo> doko: sorry, nm, it's an ia64 specific problem, not a general problem
[03:36] <elmo> jdub: err, From: or From or Sender?
[03:36] <jdub> From:
[03:36] <sivang> enrico: hrm, I would need james's key then :)
[03:37] <jdub> enrico: the list will discard all other mails
[03:37] <sivang> Treenaks: what does this code do martin?
[03:39] <Treenaks> sivang: it detects if a newly added USB serial port is actually a (NMEA-compatible) GPS
[03:39] <Treenaks> sivang: and it adds a capability if it is
[03:39] <Treenaks> then I only need to write a gpsd which uses DBUS
[03:41] <fabbione> but i use it to be stratum-1 ntp server
[03:41] <ogra> Treenaks: then you will need a milloin of ppl collecting address data for an oss DB ;)
[03:42] <Treenaks> ogra: GPS data on dbus is cool -- you can make a 'location' gnome panel applet  :)
[03:42] <ogra> Treenaks: imagine that with the matching address ;)
[03:42] <elmo> jdub: From: will be ubuntu-doc-commits@lists.ubuntu.com; From will be docteam@maitri.ubuntu.com probably
[03:42] <elmo> From and Sender
[03:42] <elmo> the first one then
[03:42] <elmo> sivang: 0xAB2A91F5
[03:45] <jdub> elmo: thanks
[03:46] <sivang> elmo: thanks
[03:47] <Treenaks> ogra: all we need is Free map data..
[03:48] <ogra> Treenaks: maps are not enough....and you wont find free adress data in large amounts :(
[03:49] <Treenaks> ogra: true
[03:49] <Treenaks> ogra: but maps help
[03:52] <fabbione> Mithrandir: your python2.4 upload is FTBFS
[03:54] <fabbione> lamont: other than the new -pa patch and the ia64 changes.. is there anything else you need for there 2 arches?
[03:55] <Mithrandir> fabbione: argh, you're right.
[03:56] <fabbione> no i am not.. my sparc buildd is :-)
[03:57] <enrico> elmo: I committed a couple of things, but there are not messages getting to the list: have the mails been sent?
[04:00] <elmo> oh, meh
[04:01] <elmo> enrico: sorry, the 'post-commit' hook got lost in the restore.. I've put it back
[04:01] <zul> fabbione: everything ok with the patch?
[04:02] <jdub> enrico: i've made it so discarded mails are sent to you
[04:02] <jdub> enrico: turn it off when things are working ok :)
[04:02] <fabbione> zul: yes. uploading -15 now
[04:02] <lamont> fabbione: nothing comes to mind
[04:02] <zul> sweet
[04:02] <lamont> fabbione: woot!
[04:02] <fabbione> with ABI change...
[04:02] <fabbione> somebody will have to take care of l-r-m
[04:03] <fabbione> and d-i
[04:03] <Kamion> I'll do d-i as usual
[04:03] <enrico> elmo: it works!
[04:03] <elmo> enrico: excellent
[04:03] <fabbione> Kamion: ok, mind to tell me what needs to be changed? at least i will know if you are not around
[04:04] <fabbione> Kamion: btw do you think you can be around tomorrow for the kernel meeting?
[04:04] <Kamion> fabbione: basically just grep -r for the old abiname (2.6.10-2 or whatever) in build/config/ and change all those
[04:04] <Kamion> fabbione: guess so, what time?
[04:04] <fabbione> Kamion: ok
[04:04] <fabbione> 15:00 UTC
[04:04] <enrico> jdub: any problems in advertising the list on lists.ubuntu.com?
[04:04] <Kamion> should be easy to make
[04:04] <zul> fabbione: hmm...maybe i should go to that meeting ;)
[04:04] <jdub> enrico: no, it's just off by default until you're happy with it
[04:05] <enrico> jdub: ok, turning it on
[04:05] <sivang> fabbione: kernel meeting?
[04:05] <jdub> enrico: FULL POWER!
[04:05] <fabbione> sivang: yes.. see ubuntu-devel
[04:05] <sivang> fabbione: k
[04:05] <fabbione> zul: same as above ;)
[04:06] <zul> fabbione, heh 
[04:08] <Kamion> fabbione: oh, and the installer/casper seeds generally need a minor update, which should be obvious from looking at them
[04:09] <fabbione> Kamion: right... so we have a few points.. kernel -> l-r-m -> d-i -> seeds
[04:09] <fabbione> Uploading via ftp linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-15_source.changes: done.
[04:09] <fabbione> there
[04:09] <Kamion> no, (kernel and seeds) -> (l-r-m and d-i in either order)
[04:10] <Kamion> d-i needs the updated udebs in the archive in order to build
[04:10] <fabbione> right
[04:10] <fabbione> ah.. and ping -f elmo-please-process-NEW
[04:11] <doko> fabbione: if you make a new l-r-m upload, please could you update a license file?
[04:11] <fabbione> doko: no i will not.. l-r-m is daniels territory
[04:11] <fabbione> and i am almost off for the day
[04:12] <fabbione> i know he has a bunch of pending changes in his tree
[04:12] <doko> fabbione: ok, will ask him.
[04:12] <fabbione> good boy :P
[04:13] <zul> heh i should have my own tree
[04:16] <Kamion> mdz: bleh, modifying hoary CDs is really painful now; while I'd tried to avoid checking Release.gpg when installing off a CD, any calls to apt-get that the installer makes after debootstrap has completed have gpg available in /target and so do signature checking
[04:16] <Kamion> mdz: any thoughts on what the best way to stop them doing this is? I keep losing time to it
[04:16] <jdub> dear fabbione, your new kernel rocks, love jdub
[04:17] <fabbione> ahha
[04:17] <fabbione> jdub: the inotify problem is not fixed yet
[04:17] <fabbione> i am going to wait max after i am back from the honeymoon
[04:17] <Kamion> I'm half-tempted to add support for installer/gpg-verify=false or something, but having to remember to specify that manually and only finding out that I forgot ten minutes into a test sucks
[04:18] <fabbione> if it is fixed good, otherwise the default will switch to disabled
[04:18] <fabbione> Kamion: what about temporary disable the check with the apt option?
[04:18] <fabbione> we know that it works
[04:18] <fabbione> we can just disable for sometime
[04:19] <fabbione> or add a flag official/test release to the script
[04:19] <fabbione> that will add or skip the apt.conf file for yu
[04:19] <fabbione> you
[04:21] <Kamion> fabbione: I'm doing that by hand, but I really don't want to disable it for all installs
[04:21] <Kamion> fabbione: it's had a number of random breakages and I don't want to find out about one of them two weeks before release
[04:21] <Kamion> fabbione: like the apt-cdrom thing, which I don't think could have been easily anticipated
[04:22] <_mvo_> Kamion: apt-0.6.31 with apt-secure cdrom support was uploaded today btw (you probably noticed already)
[04:23] <Kamion> _mvo_: yup, thanks
[04:25] <_mvo_> update-manager can detect now if the runing distro is still the latest released one and if it is still supported. the question is what to do with this information? what do you think? should we offer a automatic or semi-automatic upgrade mode in that case?
[04:26] <elmo> _mvo_: btw, in response to your mail, you know about the info in the top level Releases, right?
[04:26] <tseng> that doesnt sound that sane, even though it should usually work...
[04:26] <tseng> i would make it say "this distro is no longer support, and does not receive security updates. see this doc for info on upgrading"
[04:27] <fabbione> zul: for the next release we need to look at USB
[04:27] <_mvo_> elmo: yes, but they are not available in one place. I would like to get the stuff with only one http hit
[04:27] <tseng> just my 0.02
[04:27] <fabbione> zul: i have heard that Suse snapshot (2.6.11rc2-bk6 or higher) have the fix for all the USB mess with have now
[04:28] <elmo> _mvo_: it's IMSed tho right?
[04:28] <_mvo_> tseng: yes, I agree mostly. it really makes me nervous messing with the users sources.list
[04:28] <_mvo_> elmo: *cough* not ... yet
[04:29] <tseng> _mvo_: yeah, it should be totally doable.. question is, do we really want to do this?
[04:29] <tseng> even if everything goes smooth, a dist change could be pretty instrusive
[04:29] <elmo> _mvo_: dude, don't make me push one of our racks on top of you
[04:29] <_mvo_> elmo: the code is not even released yet, don't worry
[04:32] <zul> fabbione: ok do you want to look at it?
[04:32] <fabbione> zul: if you have time can you start giving it a shot?
[04:32] <zul> sure...just point me to the right bk
[04:33] <fabbione> zul: i think linus one is ok
[04:33] <zul> k
[04:33] <fabbione> or check the linux-usb one
[04:33] <zul> k ill put it on my todo list
[04:33] <fabbione> thanks
[04:34] <fabbione> if you can manage for tomorrow morning (my time) it will be great.
[04:34] <fabbione> i will start looking into alsa
[04:34] <zul> yep am at work duing that time but im at work right now :)
[04:34] <fabbione> after that we should be pretty in a good shape
[04:36] <fabbione> Kamion: is array5 scheduled in 2 weeks from now?
[04:38] <elmo> Kamion: did you go ahead with that mirror masterlist stuff?
[04:39] <zul> grrr
[04:39] <sivang> seb128: what is the /wncklet source tree responsible in gnome?
[04:40] <Treenaks> sivang: virtual desktop switcher I think?
[04:40] <Treenaks> that's called "wnckapplet"
[04:41] <Nafallo> should parport module loaded be considered a bug on a system without parport?
[04:42] <sivang> Treenaks: that what I thought so, but I found there some code presumably for the show desktop button etc..
[04:42] <sivang> Treenaks: so I am a bit confused
[04:42] <sivang> I wonder if vincent untz is here..
[04:43] <jdub> sivang: vincent untz == vuntz
[04:43] <sivang> jdub: tnx :)
[04:46] <elmo> Kamion: also any objection to me creating a trace/ dir on releases.u.c (and cdimage.u.c) I guess ?
[05:02] <elmo> just politeness?  the contents of releases.u.c and cdimage.u.c are otherwise entirely controlled by kamion
[05:04] <Kamion> elmo: go ahead
[05:05] <Kamion> fabbione: array5> about 1.5 weeks
[05:05] <Kamion> elmo: mirrors> not yet
[05:07] <elmo> Kamion: okay, 'cos I'm doing a massively lagged update of them both; I'm also going to be adding some archive.$cc.u.c aliases too soon hopefully
[05:08] <website> hi to all
[05:08] <Kamion> elmo: ok, there's no massive hurry as far as I'm concerned
[05:08] <elmo> Kamion: it doesn't need any code changes or anything else affected by freezes?
[05:09] <Kamion> elmo: it needs choose-mirror and base-config uploads
[05:10] <elmo> normal install won't prompt for this tho, I guess?
[05:10] <Kamion> needs to beat preview freeze, but I think it can drift a little past feature freeze
[05:10] <Kamion> no
[05:10] <Kamion> not normal CD install anyway, dunno yet about netboot
[05:11] <elmo> mmph
[05:12] <elmo> maybe we should do a clamav type thing, where you pre-create archive.$cc.u.c. that points at archive.u.c unless there's a decent CC mirror
[05:13] <pitti> elmo: squid sync please
[05:13] <elmo> pitti: unstable?
[05:14] <pitti> elmo: yes
[05:14] <pitti> elmo: 2.5.7-8
[05:15] <elmo> [NOT Updating - Modified]  squid_2.5.7-3ubuntu1 (vs 2.5.7-8)
[05:15] <elmo> ok to overwrite ubuntu changes?
[05:15] <pitti> elmo: yes, Ubuntu changes are only security fixes
[05:16] <pitti> elmo: (which are now in Debian, too)
[05:16] <elmo> k, done
[05:18] <pitti> thanks
[05:19] <pitti> elmo: btw, can you please sync pmount from incoming?
[05:19] <elmo> pitti: in a bit
[05:20] <elmo> my new mutli-sync stuff neglected to take incoming syncs into account; I need to re-add support for that
[05:26] <elmo> ARGH
[05:26] <elmo> is anyone else seening X randomly crash when switching virtual desktops?
[05:26] <Mithrandir> no, but I haven't restarted X in a couple of weeks.
[05:27] <Mithrandir> I should probably reboot to get my hda5 to appear so I can have suspend-to-disk working
[05:27] <seb128> sivang: ?
[05:28] <sivang> seb128: yes
[05:28] <sivang> seb128: here
[05:28] <seb128> you pinged me about wnck ?
[05:29] <sivang> seb128: ah  right :) I managed, I have something else I'd like to know though :)
[05:29] <low> hi there
[05:29] <low> anyone for rais debugging of latest iso ?
[05:29] <low> s/rais/raid
[05:30] <sivang> seb128: any of the gnome-pilot things work in ubuntu? why can't I see those from the deskop->preferences?
[05:31] <low> it keeps complaining it can't find any linux raid autodetect partition
[05:31] <sivang> seb128: bascially, I am trying to find out on the desktop where I can see the stuff in gnome-pilot-conduits
[05:31] <seb128> sivang: in evolution ?
[05:31] <sivang> seb128: ah ok, checking.
[05:50] <mako> http://trendwatcher.koan.net/node/94
[05:50] <elmo> Kamion: you know the whole symlink into pool has an interesting side effect, namely that lftp can't see the .iso's in http:// :>
[05:51] <sivang> mako: hrm, seems like most of the peope are using google? :)
[05:52] <tseng> the M is as in millions?
[05:52] <tseng> that doesnt seem right
[05:52] <mako> tseng: yah
[05:52] <Kamion> elmo: oddness :)
[05:52] <Kamion> elmo: is that really due to the symlink? surely lftp shouldn't be able to tell the difference either way
[05:53] <Kamion> elmo: and, er, it can see them when I try it here ...
[05:53] <Kamion> elmo: it just lists them separately up at the top, probably due to the pretty HTML index thing
[05:55] <elmo> oh, dear god, I'm so stupid
[05:55] <elmo> Kamion: yeah, never mind, i managed to miss them at the top
[05:55] <elmo> and it's not the pretty index, I don't think, I noticed this on mirrors
[05:55] <elmo> oh, which they inheirt.. neat
[05:56] <thom> elmo: ... we'd noticed
[06:05] <elmo> amu: ?
[06:10] <Alessio> hi
[06:10] <Alessio> mu time in gnome panel
[06:10] <Alessio> *my
[06:10] <Alessio> ops
[06:10] <Alessio> sorry
[06:14] <amu> elmo: too late :)
[06:15] <elmo> amu: why is clamav *.diff.gz empty?
[06:15] <amu> elmo: lemme check
[06:17] <amu> elmo: it should be something like 330k 
[06:18] <amu> elmo: letme repack it 
[06:18] <jdub> seb128: ping
[06:18] <seb128> jdub: pong
[06:18] <elmo> amu: thanks
[06:18] <seb128> ??
[06:19] <seb128> "<-- jdub has quit ("seb128")" ... what does that means ?
[06:19] <jdub> i cannot believe i just typed /quit seb128
[06:19] <seb128> loool
[06:19] <jdub> that means i should have gone to bed hours ago :)
[06:19] <seb128> ah ha
[06:20] <amu> seb128: today 21.00 CET #ubuntu-holiday
[06:20] <seb128> elmo: intltool sync please
[06:20] <seb128> amu: yeah, pitti already pinged me about this
[06:21] <amu> seb128: cool
[06:22] <thom> seb128 isn't allowed any holiday
[06:22] <pitti> seb128: remember to break the panel before going to holiday, btw :-)
[06:22] <pitti> seb128: we need something to bitch about while being in .au 
[06:22] <jdub> oh man, and i had all these nice queries open with logs i wanted to keep
[06:22] <jdub> yeeesh
[06:23] <seb128> pitti: bah, not always the panel, lemme try with gtk this time :)
[06:23] <pitti> ok, you're right
[06:28] <tritium> I'm doing some discretionary access control tests to certify ubuntu for use in-house, and I'm wondering why messagebus UID is displayed rather than "messagebus" when using "ps -ef"
[06:28] <Kamion> longer than eight characters, at a guess
[06:29] <tritium> Kamion, ah, okay.  That seems reasonable.  Thanks.
[06:29] <seb128> elmo: dasher sync too please
[06:31] <Kamion> ps probably has options to control that, it has options for everything else :)
[06:31] <thom> oh geez. firefox is built static in debian now
[06:33] <dilinger> eh?
[06:34] <dilinger> is that something new in -5?
[06:34] <thom> in -3
[06:34] <thom> +  * debian/rules: Enable static building. This will build firefox as one
[06:34] <thom> +    large binary (mostly) 
[06:34] <elmo> ugh
[06:34] <thom> i think we'll avoid that one] 
[06:34] <Kamion> uh, uh, uh ... WHAT?
[06:34] <dilinger> thom:  ldd /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin shows a bunch of stuff linked against
[06:39] <Kamion> elmo: chmod g+w /home/warthogs/archives/ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds/seeds--hoary/seeds--hoary--0/patch-124 on chinstrap please, so that I can commit to that branch?
[06:40] <jdub> seb128: syncing dasher is so much cheating :)
[06:40] <seb128> jdub: :p
[06:40] <pitti> Kamion: oh, I just tried to commit there as well
[06:41] <elmo> meh
[06:41] <pitti> Kamion: I wait until you committed, can you please ping me?
[06:41] <elmo> the dir itself needs chmod g+w?
[06:41] <Kamion> ok
[06:42] <Kamion> elmo: I think so; all the other patch-* dirs have that
[06:42] <pitti> elmo: yes, otherwise we can't remove the ++revision lock below it
[06:42] <thom> dilinger: but yeah, agreed, it doesn't look like it's built statically, even tho the correct configure options have been passed
[06:42] <elmo> I always just chmod'ed g+w the revision lock.. but ok
[06:42] <thom> go mozilla, it's your... birthday
[06:42] <elmo> done
[06:43] <pitti> lifeless_: btw, regarding directory permissions, isn't there anything that can be done about this?
[06:43] <pitti> lifeless_: like, specifying an umask on commit or on archive creation?
[06:43] <Kamion> ok, that worked, thanks
[06:43] <Kamion> pitti: ping
[06:43] <Kamion> pitti: sftp's fiddly in this regard unfortunately
[06:43] <pitti> Kamion: on alioth I set umask=002 in my ~/.bashrc
[06:44] <pitti> Kamion: however, I don't want to do this on chinstrap
[06:44] <Kamion> yes, it's a bit crap to require all users to do that though
[06:44] <pitti> Kamion: okay, I updated your changes, now I commit mine
[06:46] <pitti> oops
[06:58] <zul> oops?
[07:10] <fabbione> hmmm
[07:10] <fabbione> -15 might oops under heavy inotify pressure
[07:10] <fabbione> Robert reviewed the 'noinotify' patch and it can introduce a memory leak if noinotify is enabled :(
[07:11] <fabbione> (tho it works fine here.. uptime 3 days)
[07:12] <Mithrandir> mdz: ping
[07:12] <mdz> Mithrandir: pong
[07:13] <Mithrandir> mdz: 4892; I don't think it's needed to fix it for warty.  They aren't real passwords, they are sent in clear-text and should never have been named passwords.
[07:14] <Mithrandir> mdz: if you think a security update is warranted, feel free, but personally, I don't see the need.
[07:15] <sivang> elmo: can you please sync http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/mozilla-firefox-locale-he , it's useful for the langpacks...
[07:16] <elmo> sivang: are you an MOTU?
[07:16] <sivang> elmo: hrm, no, does this pkg needs one?
[07:17] <sivang> elmo: I talked with ogra about that package and he said it would be best instead of me attempting to upload one to ask you to sync it..
[07:17] <thom> sivang: you'd nuke the langpack stuff if you sync it anyway
[07:17] <elmo> sivang: I think sync requests need to come from or at least be acked by an MOTU or maintainer
[07:17] <thom> wouldn't you?
[07:17] <sivang> thom: oh, yeah the control file needs some love right..the 1.0 moz-firefix depends?
[07:18] <thom> look at the firefox locales in hoary - they have changes for langpacks and dependencies
[07:18] <sivang> thom: I think pitti has already noted me what needs be done, ok, I'll prepare a new package
[07:19] <Kamion> oh, did I ask whether I could add (at least) English language packs to ship?
[07:20] <dholbach> re
[07:20] <elmo> Kamion: don't ask, just do it :P
[07:20] <sivang> hrm, it's raining here so much I hope my windows wouldn't fall off...strange to see such weather over here..:-o
[07:20] <elmo> only half-joking; that surely falls under Obvious?
[07:21] <Kamion> elmo: I'm fairly sure somebody will want to work out exactly which language packs go on the CD, and I know it won't just be English
[07:21] <ogra> elmo: could a MOTU trigger the sync of a main package ? that was the reson i pointed sivang here....
[07:22] <Kamion> but yeah, I guess English falls under obvious
[07:22] <pitti> Kamion: funny, I just thought the same half an hour ago
[07:22] <pitti> Kamion: maybe the set of Desktop langpacks should be discussed in TB/CC?
[07:22] <pitti> TB, probably
[07:22] <Kamion> TB
[07:22] <elmo> ogra: that pkg isn't in main ?
[07:22] <pitti> Kamion: I remember sabdfl saying something about 10 to 15 langpacks which should be on the CD
[07:23] <Kamion> well, I've moved English anyway
[07:23] <Kamion> bored of having to download stuff during tests :)
[07:23] <ogra> elmo: all the mozilla locale packages are in main i thought ?
[07:24] <Mithrandir> mdz: any thoughts on it?
[07:24] <elmo> ogra: mozilla-firefox-locale-he isn't in Ubuntu, period, right now
[07:25] <pitti> ogra: just the firefox ones, not the ones from legacy mozilla
[07:25] <elmo> ogra: if it was synced, it'd go into universe by default
[07:25] <mdz> Mithrandir: in the middle of a few other conversations at the moment, I will take a look
[07:25] <Mithrandir> mdz: ack
[07:25] <ogra> elmo: oh, i had expected it would get lifted to main then :)
[07:25] <mdz> getting crucified on #d-d at the moment
[07:26] <thom> mdz: only by the crazies ;/
[07:28] <zul> thom: say it aint so
[07:30] <dilinger> zul: hey, ever get around to the config tool stuff?
[07:31] <threshold> does anyone know if mISDN works in hoary yet? I know mISDN broke kernel 2.6.10, wondering if anyone knows of a fix yet?
[07:32] <_mvo_> threshold: we have the binary avm stuff in linux-restricted-modules now
[07:33] <_mvo_> it works pretty well on my test-machine
[07:33] <threshold> a great
[07:33] <dholbach> ogra: hehe: i read  MontyPython  instead of  MotuPython  on the wiki
[07:33] <threshold> will have a look, thanks :)
[07:33] <ogra> heh
[07:34] <threshold> _mvo_: does it work with non avm cards, like say a winbond 6692 ?
[07:35] <_mvo_> threshold: unlikely :(
[07:36] <threshold> bleh...i've been trying to get hold of the mISDN authors about this, they seemed to have disappeared!? it worked fine in 2.6.9...don't know what happened
[07:38] <_mvo_> threshold: I had the same problem with the mISDN avm drivers. worked fine in 2.6.9, exploded in 2.6.10 
[07:38] <_mvo_> and no feedback from upstream
[07:39] <sivang> hey _mvo_ 
[07:41] <threshold> _mvo_: did it say that avmfritz.ko was missing at all? i had that problem with my w6692pic.ko
[07:42] <_mvo_> threshold: no, it just OOPSed in the kernel and refused to work
[07:44] <threshold> mm, strange
[07:44] <pitti> elmo: uw-imapd sync, please
[07:46] <Mithrandir> pitti: did I ask you about putting http://arch.err.no/index.cgi/tfheen@idi.ntnu.no--2005/pkg-glibc--multiarch--0--patch-2?cmd=cs_new&file=debian/patches/99_multiarch-ld.dpatch in our glibc?
[07:46] <elmo> pitti: eh, source pkgs ples?
[07:46] <sivang> does anybody know if gtk-gnutella ir v0rked? I installed in and the binary executabe line has "/usr/bin"
[07:46] <zul> dilinger, no been working on patches to push to fabbione 
[07:46] <mdz> doko: ping
[07:46] <pitti> elmo: sorry, uw-imap
[07:47] <elmo> pitti: ok to overwrite ubuntu changes?
[07:47] <pitti> elmo: huh, wait; I don't see an Ubuntu version number
[07:47] <elmo> meh, neither do I
[07:47] <pitti> elmo: I see 7:2002edebian1-5, debian has a -6 with security fix
[07:48] <pitti> ok :-)
[07:48] <elmo> there clearly isn't enough caffiene in the world to make me non-stupid today
[07:48] <dilinger> zul: alright, i'm going to start working on it, then.  if you have anything useful, please send; it'd be appreciate
[07:48] <dilinger> d
[07:48] <zul> dilinger: sure
[07:48] <sivang> pitti: I should switch my caffeine with black tea sometime
[07:48] <sivang> soo
[07:49] <sivang> soon
[07:49] <sivang> :)
[07:51] <pitti> mdz: shall I file a bug about the live cd having no /etc/timezone?
[07:51] <pitti> mdz: or do you already know/fix that?
[07:55] <mdz> pitti: what should be in /etc/timezone on the live CD?
[07:55] <pitti> mdz: the timezone that matches the region I chosed in the installer
[07:55] <pitti> mdz: isn't that possible?
[07:56] <mdz> pitti: no, not really
[07:56] <mdz> pitti: in the US we have 4 time zones :-)
[07:57] <mdz> more if you count alaska / hawaii
[07:57] <sivang> hehe
[07:57] <elmo> Kamion: so what location info do we get out of the hoary in the installer?  enough to map to a .$cc style TLD ?
[07:57] <pitti> mdz: could it be done the same way as for normal installs?
[07:57] <pitti> mdz: i. e. ask for the tz?
[07:57] <mdz> pitti: for normal installs it asks a question
[07:57] <mdz> I think that's unreasonable for a live CD
[07:57] <mdz> for some reason, a lot of people have noticed this about the live CD
[07:58] <mdz> and I find that very puzzling
[07:58] <mdz> because every live CD on the planet must work this awy
[07:58] <mdz> certainly the Warty live CD did
[07:58] <pitti> mdz: yes, because it is confusing to have a wrong time
[07:58] <mdz> but no one seemed to notice until the hoary live CD
[07:58] <pitti> mdz: my local time differs to UTC only by 1 hour
[07:58] <mdz> perhaps we should remove the panel clock
[07:58] <Kamion> elmo: easily
[07:58] <pitti> mdz: so the time displayed seems to be reasonable
[07:58] <pitti> mdz: thus people tend to miss appointments :-)
[07:59] <pitti> mdz: (this is what happened to me during the time when the tz was broken in hoary install)
[07:59] <Kamion> elmo: I can do pretty much arbitrary stuff in choose-mirror; it uses a scary hack where it translates the default value of the debconf template from "GB" to "IL" or whatever
[08:00] <Kamion> although it really should do something country-based instead, not sure if I can do country as well as language but I can certainly try
[08:00] <Kamion> I guess Description-en_US: would work
[08:00] <mdz> pitti: I don't think that is a major issue for the live CD, but the best we could do would be to remove the clock from the panel
[08:01] <mdz> pitti: date(1) displays the time zone at least, but the panel clock is almost guaranteed wrong
[08:01] <pitti> mdz: okay; actually I just wanted to check whether it's a bug or a "feature" :-)
[08:01] <infinity> mdz : Display the timezone on the panel clock by default, then.
[08:02] <infinity> (How does it get the right time?... ntpdate after the network is up, or something?)
[08:03] <elmo> Kamion: hmm, confused?
[08:03] <infinity> Cause if you're assuming a network, there are hordes of IP->location mapping databases out there you could use to get the TZ right for 99% of cases.
[08:03] <Kamion> sigh. note to self, when doing a test build, wait to make sure that the build completed successfully before uploading
[08:04] <Kamion> elmo: ?
[08:04] <elmo> Kamion: I lost you when you started talking about Description-en_US :)
[08:05] <Kamion> elmo: just thinking out loud really
[08:12] <mdz> Kamion: need to talk with you and amu and haggai about Kubuntu
[08:12] <mdz> Kamion: when would be a good time?
[08:13] <Kamion> mdz: tomorrow morning your time?
[08:13] <Kamion> after whatever meeting it is this week, maybe
[08:14] <elmo> Kamion: ok, I've created *.archive.ubuntu.com - could you change the installer to use $cc.archive.ubuntu.com in place of plain archive.u.c?
[08:14] <pitti> mdz: do you plan to install some language packs on the live cd?
[08:14] <Kamion> elmo: ok, will have a look tomorrow
[08:14] <elmo> Kamion: neat, tnx
[08:15] <Kamion> (I'm more or less done for today I think)
[08:15] <mdz> Kamion: this week we have a double-header
[08:19] <sivang> does anybody know how we make colored table header in our zwiki?
[08:21] <sivang> never mind
[08:21] <mdz> Kamion: mind if I copy your graphical installer bullet points to the wiki?
[08:24] <dholbach> sivang: maybe the guys in    #ubuntu-doc    know
[08:24] <sivang> dholbach: I think I found it ;)
[08:32] <mdz> gah, some spam just tried to subscribe me to the lvm2-cvs list
[08:33] <dholbach> mdz: imagine you had a "i'm on vacation"-responder turned on... 
[08:37] <elmo> Kamion: do you care where the trace file goes?
[08:37] <pitti> thom: did you read about the homograph phishing attack?
[08:37] <thom> pitti: yes
[08:37] <thom> and i wept
[08:37] <elmo> Kamion: for releases.u.c in particular 'trace' and/or 'project' are going to stand out
[08:37] <pitti> thom: scary, right? :-)
[08:37] <thom> pitti: scary; and the only "fix" is to turn off IDN entirely
[08:38] <pitti> thom: yeah, that'd be a nice quickfix
[08:38] <pitti> thom: the most embarrasing thing is that IE is not affected :-(
[08:38] <thom> pitti: but that breaks more than it fixes
[08:38] <pitti> thom: does it?
[08:39] <thom> pitti: it's not affected because it doesn't support IDN at all
[08:39] <pitti> thom: since IE does not support IDN, it basically does not yet exist
[08:39] <pitti> thom: right, that's what I meant :-) security throught obsolescence
[08:39] <thom> pitti: there are plugins, and i don't think shmoo reviewed them
[08:39] <Kamion> mdz: not at all
[08:40] <pitti> thom: however, a real solution is indeed hard, because it's not a real bug
[08:40] <Kamion> elmo: make it a dotdir and then it won't stand out
[08:40] <thom> pitti: anyway, i certainly can turn it off. i don't think i want to in this case
[08:40] <thom> pitti: yeah
[08:40] <elmo> hmm, true, and everything must mirror those anyways
[08:40] <pitti> thom: no, please don't turn it off right now
[08:41] <pitti> thom: I just found this quite interesting and challenging to think about :-)
[08:41] <thom> yeah; it's a hard one - i wonder what opera does for them to say "we implement IDN right and don't intend to change it"
[08:42] <pitti> thom: well, as a matter of fact ffox and opera _do_ implement it right 
[08:42] <pitti> thom: that's the hard thing :-)
[08:42] <pitti> thom: maybe, in the long run, the Unicode maps should be altered
[08:43] <pitti> thom: no not allow the same glyphs with two different numbers; but that's even harder
[08:44] <thom> pitti: a hack solution might be for registrars to check and disallow people from registering domains that provide this kind of uncertainty (or ensure that the original owner gets them)
[08:44] <pitti> thom: sure; obviously that hasn't been done for p"a"ypal.com 
[08:44] <thom> yeah
[08:45] <thom> i guess big companies will start reflex registering that kinda stuff
[08:45] <website> hi to all
[08:46] <seb128> elmo: gazpacho intltool syncs please
[08:46] <seb128> elmo: and any reason to not drop gstreamer/gst-plugins/.... from the archive ?
[08:47] <elmo> gst-player too?
[08:47] <Kamion> pitti: isn't the architecture relevant in #6270?
[08:47] <elmo> seb128: and kgst?
[08:48] <pitti> Kamion: okay, I add it
[08:48] <elmo> gar, hot-backup.py is fairly retarded
[08:48] <seb128> elmo: hum. Let me find the list again
[08:49] <seb128> I was just wondering if that was not removed for a reason
[08:49] <elmo> seb128: no reason beyond me being crap
[08:49] <Kamion> pitti: thanks
[08:50] <seb128> elmo: k, the list is: gstreamer gst-plugins gst-player kgst
[08:50] <seb128> thanks
[08:51] <elmo> done
[08:51] <seb128> thanks!
[08:52] <Mithrandir> lamont: did you get any reponse from the ia64 bushes?
[09:02] <lamont> Mithrandir: nothing fell from the bushes except regrets.
[09:02] <Mithrandir> lamont: ok, thanks for trying
[09:04] <lamont> Mithrandir: I added you to the queue for castoffs.
[09:04] <Mithrandir> lamont: thanks a lot
[09:07] <lamont> thom: you around?
[09:07] <thom> lamont: oui?
[09:07] <lamont> thom: any plan for a firefox upload anytime soon?
[09:07] <lamont> http://lists.parisc-linux.org/pipermail/parisc-linux/2004-December/025419.html
[09:08] <lamont> mind you - I haven't actually tested that at all...
[09:08] <AndyR> lo ppl
[09:09] <thom> lamont: good god, i'll take your word for it
[09:11] <thom> lamont: i'll look later in the week
[09:11] <thom> the pqatch looks pretty unintrusive though
[09:35] <_d4vid> apt-get install synaptic
[09:35] <_d4vid> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:35] <_d4vid> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[09:35] <_d4vid> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[09:35] <_d4vid> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[09:35] <_d4vid> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[09:35] <_d4vid> or been moved out of Incoming.
[09:35] <_d4vid> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
[09:35] <_d4vid> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
[09:35] <_d4vid> that package should be filed.
[09:35] <_d4vid> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[09:35] <_d4vid> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:35] <_d4vid>   synaptic: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 but it is not installable
[09:35] <_d4vid> E: Broken packages
[09:35] <_d4vid> why ?
[09:35] <dholbach> sudo apt-get update
[09:35] <dholbach> and then try again
[09:36] <zul> _d4vid: #ubuntu is the support channel
[09:36] <_d4vid> i use hoary
[09:36] <_mvo_> thnx dholbach 
[09:39] <dholbach> _d4vid: it's irrelevant, you'll have to update your package list manually or install update-notifier / update-manager which will do that for you -- atm libapt-* was in a state of transition, so you'll maybe have to wait a bit, to hit the mirror you're using and 1) zul is right: #ubuntu is the support channel and 2) it should never be necessary to write 15 rows of text for a question like "synaptic is not installable due to libapt-pkg-l
[09:39] <_d4vid> =)
[09:39] <_d4vid> ok
[09:39] <_d4vid> thnx maybe
[09:40] <dholbach> _d4vid: ok, bye :-)
[09:40] <dholbach> oh sorry.
[09:40] <dholbach> i read "bye" somewhere :-)
[09:40] <dholbach> didnt want to send you out 
[09:40] <lamont> firecall
[09:40] <_d4vid> :p
[09:41] <trulux> ajmitch: ping
[09:43] <elmo> boggle, does lftp really parse html to do 'ls' ?
[09:43] <elmo> (for http)
[09:43] <infinity> Yup!
[09:43] <infinity> How else would it work?
[09:44] <thom> (without dav, there's no other way)
[09:44] <infinity> Mindreading isn't an option.
[09:44] <infinity> It's actually a pretty neat trick.
[09:44] <elmo> infinity: I thought there might be something sane like a command in the http proto :P
[09:44] <infinity> I like reading cnn.com with lftp.  Much more navigable, when you can cd to each story.
[09:44] <elmo> it's really not a neat trick, 'cos it means I have to bloody well parse html to get a dir listing
[09:45] <infinity> Oh, you're trying to emulate lftp's behaviour?
[09:45] <_d4vid> atm libapt-* was in a state of transition, so you'll maybe have to wait a bit ? how long.. ?
[09:45] <_d4vid> 2 weeks ? 
[09:46] <elmo> infinity: I want some way to check for what files are in a http dir, yeah
[09:46] <infinity> (And no, http knows nothing of directory listings, that's why all webservers have their own HTML-formatted directory listings... It's not just to look pretty)
[09:47] <infinity> Just parse on hrefs.
[09:47] <dholbach> _d4vid: lets move to #ubuntu
[09:47] <dilinger> holy crap, that works
[09:48] <zul> dilinger: getting support in #ubuntu? usuaally yes
[09:48] <infinity> I long ago crowned lftp "the coolest command line app evar" for various reasons, but this is definitely one of them.
[09:49] <dilinger> infinity: so how do you get it to spawn links to read the article? :)
[09:50] <ajmitch> trulux: yes?
[09:50] <trulux> ajmitch: can we set up the todo list for mdz?
[09:50] <trulux> I've finished my kernel work
[09:50] <trulux> I'm able to work out it
[09:50] <ajmitch> trulux: just a minute, I just got up :)
[09:52] <trulux> ajmitch: OK :)
[09:57] <ajmitch> trulux: so what are you wanting to work on?
[09:57] <trulux> ajmitch: a TODO list
[09:57] <trulux> ajmitch: on Ubuntu Linux wiki
[09:58] <trulux> we need to get this done together for mdz and the other folks
[09:58] <trulux> or i will kick myself :)
[09:58] <ajmitch> why will you kick yourself?
[09:59] <ajmitch> it can't really be worked on in ubuntu until the kickoff meeting for hoary+1 :)
[09:59] <zul> Trulux: are you going to present it at the cc tomorrow?
[09:59] <ajmitch> work on the SELinux page in the wiki then?
[09:59] <trulux> ajmitch: yep
[09:59] <trulux> zul: cc?
[10:00] <trulux> I missed all the stuff
[10:00] <ajmitch> community council
[10:00] <trulux> I was in this dark room working on a few kernel patches and messing some exec shield stuff
[10:00] <trulux> I see
[10:00] <trulux> when it will happen?
[10:00] <infinity> dilinger : Well, with lynx, you could do "cat story.html | lynx -stdin"
[10:00] <infinity> dilinger : I assume links can do something similar.
[10:01] <ajmitch> trulux: remember, feature freeze is in a day or two
[10:01] <zul> trulux: 1600utc for the cc
[10:02] <trulux> zul: ok
[10:02] <trulux> I will try to get in it
[10:02] <trulux> ajmitch: yes, I'm near exams in school
[10:02] <trulux> :)
[10:12] <dilinger> infinity: sadly, links lacks a -stdin, and elinks' -stdin is broken 
[10:20] <zul> later
[10:21] <trulux> ajmitch: ok, http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/patches/sys_chroot_lsm-hook-2.6.11-rc3.patch <- finished
[10:21] <trulux> ket's work on the wiki page
[10:21] <trulux> but first, shower
[10:21] <trulux> I don't want to stink
[10:22] <jbailey> jdub: Caught your blog a moment ago.  Do you want a quick fix for DSDT replacement on your laptop?
[10:23] <ajmitch> that's a fairly simple looking patch
[10:23] <ajmitch> hey jeff :)
[10:23] <jbailey> Heya Andrew. =)
[10:23] <sivang> hey jbailey 
[10:23] <trulux> ajmitch: yep, it's pretty simple
[10:25] <jbailey> Hi sivang 
[11:00] <jdub> jbailey: we have DSDT-attached-to-initrd now
[11:01] <jbailey> jdub: Yup.  I thought perhaps you didn't know that.
[11:02] <jdub> jbailey: i was referring to the painful period that we didn't have it
[11:02] <Hwolf> Guys; I can't get OO.o to run, and I can't get 00o2 to churn out nice .doc files that I can work on while at school. :-S
[11:03] <jbailey> jdub: The next initrd-tools upload will have trivial support built in for it.  I'm beating my head against some FD logic in there, but I'm hoping that'll be finished tonight or tomorrow morning.
[11:03] <jbailey> jdub: After that /etc/mkinitrd/DSDT will always get added on.
[11:03] <jdub> tops
[11:03] <jdub> was going to hack that up myself
[11:04] <jdub> hooray for not having to write perl
[11:04] <jbailey> Xu's shell scripting only looks like Perl.  It really is shell, though.
[11:04] <jbailey> I'm just running into a funny problem where when I paste the code in, it overwrites the first part of the file.
[11:05] <Hwolf> Is openoffice broken?
[11:06] <elmo> jbailey: try his awk (apt-move)
[11:07] <jdub> mdz: there?
[11:07] <infinity> Better yet, don't!
[11:08] <jbailey> elmo: I suspect the drug required for that are not yet legal here.  I'll look in a few months.
[11:08] <jbailey> +s
[11:08] <jdub> haha, mkinitrd is shell
[11:08] <jdub> man
[11:12] <mdz> jdub: yes, but need a typing break
[11:12] <mdz> jdub: call?
[11:15] <jdub> oh
[11:15] <jdub> if you have lots to talk about
[11:18] <dholbach> hmmm, how i can tell sbuild, not to look for non-free in hoary .... hmmm
[11:24] <jdub> mdz: just wanted to quiz you about building alternative images with casper (ie. not isolinux images designed for cd)
[11:24] <mdz> jdub: with debian-cd, you mean?
[11:29] <jdub> mdz: or an alternative tool, if required
[11:29] <jdub> mdz: example, i'd like to put a live image on my CF card
[11:29] <jdub> or USB key
[11:29] <jdub> etc.
[11:29] <mdz> yeah, I'm not sure what that should look like yet
[11:30] <mdz> I don't think we want to distribute fixed-size images like we do for CDs
[11:30] <mdz> if not for the boot loader requirement, it could just be a tarball
[11:32] <Kamion> mdz: hm, actually tomorrow might not be so good for the you/me/amu/haggai Kubuntu meeting; can we make it Wednesday instead?
[11:32] <Kamion> mdz: see how d-i builds hd-media images
[11:32] <sivang> jdub: do you have an idea why gucharmap doesn't have an Help->About dialog although it has one in the code? I think it has something to do with "..#if HAVE_GNOME" directive..:)
[11:33] <jdub> it doesn't even have a help menu
[11:33] <jdub> dunno, perhaps it's not built against gnome?
[11:33] <jdub> it should be using GtkAbout now anyway
[11:34] <sivang> jdub: oh well, it's using gnome-about.c according to my understanding of the code..
[11:35] <jdub> should as in "it ought to be ported to"
[11:35] <magnon> ok, scary. upgrading server tonight
[11:36] <sivang> jdub: hrm I'm sorry, could you explain what you mean by "built against gnome" ? 0:-)
[11:36] <mdz> Kamion: wednesday at a time which is not close to 2000 UTC
[11:36] <jdub> sivang: it may have an optional libgnome depends
[11:36] <jdub> mdz: oh, dude, also, i have good news
[11:36] <sivang> jdub: ah!
[11:36] <mdz> Kamion: how does d-i build hd-media images?
[11:36] <sivang> jdub: tnx
[11:37] <jdub> mdz: the polypaudio issue was entirely default configuration b0rk
[11:37] <jdub> mdz: the alsa config lines were broken, but i hadn't used those previously
[11:37] <jdub> it is working very well here
[11:37] <Kamion> mdz: earlier than 2000 UTC is rather better for me anyway
[11:37] <jdub> i watched a full DVD with synchronised sound
[11:38] <jdub> there are some CPU utilisation issues, but i'm talking to lennart about those
[11:38] <Kamion> mdz: more like 1730-1800 UTC
[11:38] <neofeed> would I fill live cd request via Bugzilla too? I just figured the LiveCD's miss buffer :/
[11:39] <Kamion> mdz: depends on the architecture; it builds a bootable filesystem of (some size), puts the kernel/initrd/bootloader/etc. on it, and leaves instructions for how to slot another file in
[11:39] <jdub> Kamion: (btw, are both OEM and graphical doable in the hoary+1 timeframe?)
[11:39] <Kamion> mdz: in d-i you'd slot in an .iso and use iso-scan to find it, but no reason it couldn't be a cloop if you can figure out how to make casper find the filesystem
[11:40] <mdz> neofeed: I don't understand the question
[11:40] <mdz> Kamion: let's say 1800 UTC
[11:40] <Kamion> mdz: ok, that's fine
[11:40] <sivang> jdub: totem has an audio latency problem over my system (when watching DVD), polyaudio would address this?
[11:41] <neofeed> mdz, well when using LiveCD's for example to mirror HD's over the network or do other stuff. I usually use the tool 'buffer' but that's not on the LiveCD's so where would I complain about that? bugzilla too?
[11:41] <jdub> sivang: yes
[11:41] <Kamion> jdub: honestly haven't thought about it much, but probably yes if for no other reasons than (a) I'll go insane doing just graphical installer for six months and (b) I expect to have to draft other people in to help anyway
[11:41] <mdz> neofeed: there is no need to ask us for it; you can simply install buffer on the live CD using synaptic, apt-get or aptitude
[11:41] <sivang> jdub: yay
[11:41] <Kamion> if he's amenable, I'd like to ask Mithrandir to help with the cdebconf extensions
[11:41] <sivang> neofeed: follow the livecd customization howto, on the wiki
[11:41] <jdub> Kamion: cool
[11:42] <jdub> neofeed: apt-get install buffer :)
[11:42] <jdub> neofeed: unless you really regularly need it ;)
[11:42] <sivang> jdub: err, right sorry :)
[11:42] <neofeed> jdub, well withought network that's not so easy :)
[11:42] <jdub> that is problematic
[11:42] <jdub> usb key + package?
[11:43] <sivang> neofeed: if you want to make youserlf an iso of the livecd with buffer in it, then read the livecd docs
[11:43] <mdz> neofeed: the live CD can't attempt to provide all of the packages that anyone could want; there are just too many
[11:43] <mdz> neofeed: and in particular it is limited to officially supported software
[11:43] <neofeed> dun have a usb key but got a set of koppix cd's with me so.. it worked out. but would just have been nice to see the livecd's come with this small package.
[11:43] <jdub> that's what the LiveDVD is for ;-)
[11:43] <mdz> neofeed: as sivang says, it is easy to create your own custom Ubuntu live CD with extra packages
[11:44] <mdz> jdub: I had planned to put exactly the same cloop image on the DVD as the CD
[11:44] <sivang> jdub: I thought the LiveDVD was about world domination no? :)
[11:44] <jdub> mdz: yes, that is the live/install dvd
[11:44] <jdub> mdz: at some stage, we should just go completely bonkers and make a LiveDVD :)
[11:45] <mdz> jdub: I don't think it's even worth trying to install all of universe :-)
[11:45] <mdz> jdub: just read the DeMuDi thing, rad!
[11:45] <jdub> yeah, only a very light first step though
[11:46] <jdub> heh
[11:46] <Kamion> jdub: what, install all of supported with all the daemons? ;)
[11:47] <jdub> Kamion: we have a strict no-listening policy, but bugger that for the livedvd! :)
[11:47] <mdz> why don't we just bind a root shell to port 23?
[11:49] <magnon> awesome idea
[11:49] <dilinger> if you want to attract users to ubuntu, that's the way to do it
[11:49] <jdub> no one will suspect it on that cleverly hidden port
[11:50] <dilinger> i mean, they won't be the users who are supposed to be using the machine, but.. users are users, right?
[11:53] <dholbach> gparted on the LiveCD would be nice
[11:54] <dholbach> coming to that... who has the time to sponsor 2 uploads? :-)
[11:54] <Kamion> is anyone sorting out l-r-m for the new kernel ABI? an installable CD tomorrow would be nice
[11:55] <jdub> daniels most likely will today
[11:55] <jdub> it is 1000
[11:56] <jdub> Kamion: is the kickstart stuff testable?
[11:57] <mdz> dholbach: I thought that the feedback (from you or ogra?) was that gparted was Not Ready Yet
[11:58] <dholbach> mdz: it was my fault... i blamed umounting-vfat on gparted
[11:58] <dholbach> mdz: when i clicked on umount vfat my system froze, but fabbione pointed me to a bug on b.u.c 
[12:01] <robertj> mdz: I think I got that patch straightened out, mentioned it on debian-devel, and ... nothing seems to have happened, should I look for a MOTU to assign it to?
[12:02] <mdz> robertj: bug #1849 is already assigned to Kamion, but he is very busy, please be patient
[12:02] <mdz> robertj: I think the only blocking issue is deciding on the name of the group :-)
[12:02] <robertj> ok, just wanted to make sure I had done my part ;)