[12:00] <topyli> terry: i think it's gconf-editor stuff now. desktop -> gnome -> url-handlers
[12:00] <zerotime> hi, I just succesfully installed ubuntu
[12:01] <kim1> ok I found it...http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/Contents-powerpc.gz
[12:01] <kim1> thanks mon! :)
[12:01] <stuNNed> crimsun: hi, i've ran a few apps under 'sudo -s' now things are messed up, is there any way to recover?
[12:01] <zerotime> can someone send me a sources.list with things like kde, mplayer, amule, stuff like that
[12:01] <terry> topyli: thanks
[12:01] <zerotime> java
[12:01] <zerotime> etc
[12:01] <crimsun> stuNNed: that depends entirely on what you commands you executed.
[12:02] <pdkl> when i try to install dosbox i get libsdl-sound1.2 ... but it is not going to be isntalled
 multiverse
[12:02] <crimsun> on what commands you^, rather
[12:02] <shock> should contain alot
[12:02] <shock> universe contains KDE
[12:02] <zerotime> shock, multiverse?
[12:02] <zerotime> what do you mean
[12:02] <pdkl> it says it depends on libflac4 but libflac4 is not in the universe
[12:02] <stuNNed> crimsun: guarddog, lokkit, firestarter, i think is all
[12:02] <shock> yes
[12:02] <shock> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe
[12:03] <shock> or warty
[12:03] <shock> depends on what u are using
[12:03] <pdkl> its not there...
[12:03] <zerotime> warty
[12:03] <pdkl> i just checked
[12:03] <shock> and multiverse is just another one of those
[12:03] <shock> just add those lines to you /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:03] <stuNNed> crimsun: now ls -l doesn't respond and gnome panels are messed up and nautilus can't start
[12:03] <shock> =)
[12:04] <pdkl> they already in my sources.list
[12:04] <pdkl> been there since the install
[12:04] <zerotime> shock, I am using warty at the moment
[12:04] <stuNNed> crimsun: or is there a link to unfsck? i.e. i know it was mentioned in k3b-setup
[12:04] <zerotime> can I update to horay with apt?
[12:04] <saif> hello
[12:04] <saif> guys, i sthere anything particular i should do tgo update to hoary??
[12:04] <crimsun> zerotime: absolutely.
[12:05] <saif> i changed the sources.list,
[12:05] <shock> well just replace the hoary with warty
[12:05] <shock> and u are set
[12:05] <saif> doing the apt-get update now,
[12:05] <crimsun> stuNNed: what did you do with those applications?
[12:05] <saif> next, apt-get upgrade?
[12:05] <crimsun> stuNNed: (I use a homebrewed iptables script, so I'm afraid I can't necessarily assist.)
[12:05] <saif> lucky me, another person is asking about updating to hoary!
[12:06] <stuNNed> crimsun: i launched them under 'sudo -s' and configured them, or would there be another reason why ls -l /home/lance doesn't respond?
[12:06] <stuNNed> crimsun: or gets hung?
[12:06] <crimsun> stuNNed: usually if that command doesn't respond, you have a serious problem like a kernel oops
[12:06] <shock> to really upgrade from warty to hoary run "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[12:06] <crimsun> stuNNed: does it work after a reboot?
[12:06] <terry> toppyli, you wouldnt have any idea as to how to add a URL handler would you??
[12:06] <stuNNed> crimsun: sure doesn't
[12:06] <medgno> I upgraded debian sid to warty to hoary today. all working too.
[12:06] <shock> (same as 'smart upgrade' in synaptic)
[12:07] <Xappe> saif, if you have any backports installed you should get them fixed first
[12:07] <stuNNed> crimsun: let me try booting another kernel, brb
[12:07] <Xappe> saif, there's a thread bout that on the forum
[12:07] <saif> Xappe: i'm sorry but i donno what a backport is?!
[12:07] <zerotime> to update to hoary just apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:07] <zerotime> ?
[12:08] <Xappe> saif, then you probably don't need to bother about them :)
[12:08] <zerotime> changing the sources.list file warty with hoary right?
 - right
[12:08] <shock> but be aware that hoary is testing
[12:08] <shock> and may contain buggy software
[12:08] <shock> =)
[12:08] <zerotime> I am used to debian sid
[12:09] <Pluk> hi ppls
[12:09] <shock> allright
[12:09] <shock> hoi Pluk
[12:09] <zerotime> what about the kernel
[12:09] <Xappe> ...and as I said to saif. if you have backports installed you should take care of them first
[12:09] <zerotime> is there any kernel image to install
[12:09] <shock> what about the kernel?
[12:09] <shock> yes
[12:09] <shock> plenty to pick from
[12:09] <zerotime> it will update it?
[12:09] <shock> actually
[12:09] <zerotime> then
[12:09] <shock> hm... might be
[12:09] <zerotime> with dist-upgrade
[12:09] <zerotime> ok
[12:10] <Pluk> anyone got bootsplash running already?
[12:10] <shock> but u can upgradde it seperately if you want
[12:10] <shock> not me (powerpc)
[12:10] <shock> no bootsplash
[12:10] <zerotime> I just love this new distro, it contains just the soft I want in my system, with the stability of a debian system, and not as crappy as kanotix, or knoppix,
[12:10] <zerotime> what do you guys think
[12:10] <randabis> usplash should be in hoary in a few days :p
[12:11] <Pluk> yeha but bootsplash is native in 2.6.11-rc.. now
[12:11] <Xappe> zerotime, I love it, and I've used only hoary for a couple of months...
[12:11] <saif> ok, it is currently upgrading ( or so i think )
[12:11] <medgno> will hoary get the Industrial cursors back soon?
[12:12] <zerotime> Xappe, I just installed it, and have taken a look at the soft included, I dont think I need to install anything else
[12:12] <Xappe> Pluk, yes but usplash will be better...no kernel patches, nothing... :)
[12:12] <randabis> Pluk, I think hoary's kernel is going to be 2.6.10...Fabio might put a 2.6.11 kernel in universe though
[12:12] <zerotime> appart from divx, mp3 support
[12:12] <randabis> apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:12] <randabis> boom, mp3
[12:12] <Pluk> yup ive read usplash is fully userspace (hence the Usplash)
[12:13] <zerotime> and divx I think should be apt-get install mplayer
[12:13] <medgno> w32codecs also comes in handy
[12:13] <randabis> not necessarily...you just need w32codecs
[12:13] <randabis> then you can use totem-xine :p
[12:13] <zerotime> ok, thats in unverse right?
[12:14] <zerotime> does this distro include dvdcss?
[12:14] <randabis> no, you'll have to add the marilliat repository for that
[12:14] <saif> did i get disconnected or somethn?
[12:14] <zerotime> randabis can I see the line please?
[12:15] <zerotime> so I can add it to sources-list
[12:15] <randabis> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[12:15] <zerotime> ok
[12:15] <zerotime> thx
 what do you guys think <-- I lovve ubuntu, too
[12:16] <zerotime> ahahaha
[12:16] <shock> cause its got a well developed powerpc branch for one
[12:16] <zerotime> shock 3d acceleration for ati, (ati drivers) is just the same as debian
[12:16] <zerotime> right?
[12:16] <shock> right
[12:17] <[Spooky] > hello all
[12:17] <zerotime> so this is an easy to install debian system really
[12:17] <shock> only the powerpc radeon is not really nice... but its not on debian either
[12:17] <shock> *g*
[12:17] <shock> yes
[12:17] <shock> and unlike plain-debian - it comes with a well arranged desktop
[12:17] <shock> and good combo of software
[12:17] <zerotime> yes
[12:18] <[Spooky] > anyone good with irssi ? :)
[12:18] <zerotime> very good software,
[12:18] <shock> and bleeding edge gnome-components
[12:18] <zerotime> indeed
[12:18] <zerotime> installation process is just awesome
[12:18] <CreeVal> Anyone know the command for removing a directory?
[12:18] <wm_eddie> [Spooky] : I use it
[12:18] <encryptio> [Spooky] : wat choo need?
[12:18] <jdub> zerotime: six month time based release process
[12:19] <zerotime> jdub, no doubt about it
[12:19] <[Spooky] > wm_eddie: man how do you close the /queries ?
[12:19] <zerotime> I think this is the distro. full stop
[12:19] <encryptio> [Spooky] : /window close
[12:19] <carambol> sudo rm -rf dir
[12:19] <wm_eddie> [Spooky] : /q<tab> is what I always do
[12:19] <[Spooky] > ah thanks
[12:19] <CreeVal> carambol thx...
[12:20] <zerotime> fast servers for apt
[12:20] <carambol> take care
[12:20] <zerotime> nice as well
[12:20] <heliolith> hey all is there a way to change my main user account in ubuntu?  I'm setting these boxes up for a school, and didn't mean to use my own name
[12:20] <zerotime> what is the marilliat deb line to add to apt sources.list
[12:20] <tritium> CreeVal, be very careful with that, though.
[12:21] <CreeVal> tritium: Yeah, im very carefull with that one...
[12:21] <medgno> zerotime, for hoary it's (without quotes) "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main"
[12:21] <carambol> zerotine: http:ubuntuguide.org
[12:21] <[Spooky] > ah mutch better hehe
[12:21] <carambol> http://ubuntuguide.org
[12:22] <zerotime> medgno, any other important line to add there?
[12:22] <medgno> zerotime, I have one for kplayer, but aside from that, not that I can think of
[12:22] <zerotime> carambol, thx
[12:22] <zerotime> ok medgno thx indeed
[12:23] <[Spooky] > now another question im trying to locate a help page about howto mount a NTFS partition on your page but no luck, anyone with some advise ?
[12:24] <zerotime> does ubuntu kernel include by default ntfs support?
[12:24] <crimsun> zerotime: absolutely (ro)
[12:24] <zerotime> so just adding the line in etc fstab is enough
[12:24] <zerotime> nice
[12:25] <carambol> zerotine: $sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:25] <zerotime> upgrading to hoary upgrades kernel as well, for those who want to know
[12:26] <zerotime> does anyone know if there is a way for ubuntu to boot
[12:26] <zerotime> in grafical mode
[12:26] <zerotime> graphical
[12:27] <mrpsycho> startx ?
[12:27] <joh> zerotime: you mean bootsplash?
[12:27] <jdub> zerotime: no, but usplash might get into hoary if we're lucky
[12:27] <zerotime> joh I mean something like mandrake,
[12:27] <jdub> joh: we do not speak of bootsplash here. :)
[12:27] <zerotime> you know
[12:27] <heliolith> what is the actual location of the menu applications:/// ?
[12:28] <joh> zerotime: k, yeah, bootsplash. :P
[12:28] <joh> jdub: hehe, it's pretty ugly, I know.
[12:28] <carambol> nautilus
[12:28] <jdub> heliolith: mostly /usr/share/applications, but user local changes are kept in your homedir
[12:28] <lucien> Hey, can someone tell me why the letters are not displayed in XMMS ?
[12:28] <zerotime> well, dont really care, since is the best distro I know,
[12:28] <crimsun> lucien: "letters?"
[12:28] <zerotime> characters
[12:28] <zerotime> I think he means
[12:29] <lucien> Yes, exactly :P.
[12:29] <crimsun> are they encoded in a different charset?
[12:29] <mrpsycho> zerotime: here is a guide to installing bootsplash on debian, might be helpful http://www.desktop-linux.net/bootsplash.htm
[12:29] <zerotime> thx mrpsycho I'll have a look at it
[12:29] <[Spooky] > how do i list my hda hdb etc ?
[12:29] <lucien> No, I just see eh, the key combinations. So: CTRL+L and so on in the context menu. No description whatever.
[12:30] <zerotime> dpkg -i--force--overwrite
[12:30] <zerotime> whats the correct command
[12:30] <zerotime> for that
[12:30] <zerotime> please
[12:31] <joh> zerotime: you mean overwriting of config files?
[12:31] <mrpsycho> spooky: df i believe
[12:31] <crimsun> zerotime: you ommitted a whitespace
[12:31] <joh> zerotime: i.e. replacing custom ones with the maintainer's version?
[12:31] <zerotime> true
[12:31] <zerotime> thx
[12:31] <crimsun> zerotime: and you inserted an extra hyphen
[12:31] <carambol> wats de difference?
[12:32] <carambol> between custom an maintainers
[12:32] <[Spooky] > mrpsycho: ok that just gave me the linux part... i want to see them all...
[12:33] <|QuaD-_> anyone using the xmms status applet?
[12:33] <crimsun> carambol: I don't understand the question; would you rephrase please?
[12:33] <joh> carambol: sometimes you edit configuration files so they differ from the maintainer's version. When apt tries to upgrade the package, it will ask you if you want to keep your custom configuration or install the maintainer's..
[12:33] <heliolith> How do I change my main username?
[12:33] <mrpsycho> spooky: hmm do you have xfstab?
[12:33] <carambol> john: which one is btter?
[12:34] <[Spooky] > mrpsycho: let me see
[12:34] <[Spooky] > mrpsycho: nope
[12:34] <joh> carambol: users-admin
[12:34] <joh> err
[12:34] <zerotime> is there any app for gnome to record dvds?
[12:34] <Xappe> is it normal for synaptic to override locked versions when doing a dist-upgrade?
[12:34] <zerotime> any gui
[12:34] <joh> heliolith: users-admin
[12:34] <joh> zerotime: don't think so.
[12:34] <mrpsycho> spooky: nm its an xfce app, its actually called xffstab
[12:35] <joh> zerotime: take a look at this: http://dvd.chevelless230.com/
[12:35] <bruce_> how can i go out and safe in vi?
[12:35] <mrpsycho> spooky: you might try the nautilus doc
[12:35] <bruce_> esc doesn't work...
[12:35] <joh> bruce_: esc :wq
[12:35] <heliolith> thanks joh
[12:35] <joh> heliolith: np
[12:35] <[Spooky] > mrpsycho: ok, well i tried dmesg and found my ntfs hd named hdb, when mounting it says already mounted or busy...
[12:36] <joh> [Spooky] : try hdb1 or something
[12:36] <bruce_> joh, if i do esc i can't write anymore... and my cursor doesn't go to buttom
[12:36] <heliolith> how can I change the name of a machine?
[12:37] <joh> heliolith: hostname
[12:37] <crimsun> bruce_: ZZ, or :wq
[12:37] <mrpsycho> spooky: try this http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/instructions.html
[12:37] <joh> heliolith: i.e. hostname <new-hostname>
[12:37] <heliolith> doh: you rock
[12:37] <iapx8088> hi all
[12:37] <iapx8088> what about new themes
[12:37] <redrum> hey all
[12:37] <heliolith> trying to setup a bunch of machines... got my wires crossed
[12:37] <redrum> ubuntu noob here
[12:38] <goldfish> me too :)
[12:38] <shock> welcome
[12:38] <shock> =)
[12:38] <joh> jdub: you there? I'm just wondering if there are any plans to make a graphical installer for ubuntu (or use Anaconda, ...) ?
[12:38] <carambol> wwhats your question
[12:38] <Xappe> iapx8088, what do you mean?
[12:38] <redrum> I have ubuntu warty installed.  would like to install firefox 1.0.  went to the download page, downloaded the installer, now what?
[12:39] <iapx8088> Xappe, I'm watching the firefox noia theme, and wondering where/how can get new theemes
[12:39] <iapx8088> redrum, stop
[12:39] <bruce_> *shme on me... didn't write the double dot
[12:39] <bruce_> shame
[12:39] <redrum> heheh figured
[12:39] <iapx8088> redrum sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[12:39] <carambol> Tools>Theme
[12:39] <Xappe> iapx8088, for firefox?
[12:39] <icecrash> moin
[12:39] <iapx8088> Xappe, no, for gnome itself
[12:40] <Xappe> www.gnome-look.org
[12:40] <carambol> redrum: tools>theme>get new themes form the web
[12:40] <jdub> joh: yes, but not anaconda
[12:40] <zerotime> to be honest, I like the installer very much
[12:40] <zerotime> is very fast
[12:40] <iapx8088> Xappe, thanks. Nothing in apt-get iteself?
[12:41] <Xappe> hmm, I don't really know
[12:41] <carambol> zerotine: in the backpots source
[12:41] <jdub> zerotime: we won't stuff that up by going graphical :)
[12:41] <joh> jdub: ok? what kind of installer?
[12:41] <iapx8088> i guess gtk-themes aren't the same thing
[12:41] <redrum> well, you see, i went and ran the install program, and installed it to my 'home' directory - nice noob move.  so when i just typed
[12:41] <Xappe> i'm satisfied with leech and industrial (wich disapeared this friday after an upgrade)
[12:41] <zerotime> hope not, grafical is allways nicer
[12:41] <redrum> 'sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox', it said the newest version is installed
[12:41] <zerotime> for me
[12:41] <hummm> can someone please tell me why i cant switch back to X from a different tty? :/
[12:41] <iapx8088> redrum, so you have it
[12:41] <hummm> i have to brute force my computer down from power button :/
[12:42] <iapx8088> humm alt-ctrl-Fx
[12:42] <crimsun> hummm: alt+f7 doesn't work?
[12:42] <hummm> crimsun: it works once
[12:42] <crimsun> hummm: are you using the binary-only "nvidia" driver?
[12:42] <redrum> yeah but it's installed in the wrong directory obviously, and i don't know how to actually run that version
[12:42] <Xappe> hummm, sounds like a video driver issue
[12:42] <hummm> crimsun: nvidia driver yeah
[12:42] <crimsun> hummm: then that's a known issue.
[12:42] <crimsun> (no ETA on fix)
[12:42] <hummm> crimsun: how to fix it?
[12:43] <crimsun> revert to the open source "nv" driver
[12:43] <redrum> when i go to the help/about, it says i'm running 0.9.3
[12:43] <[Spooky] > man this is lame :/ i can mount my ntfs hd but not browse it as a user...
[12:43] <crimsun> [Spooky] : you can. You need to pass the correct umask parameters.
[12:43] <carambol> close firefox and reopen it
[12:43] <hummm> crimsun: oh crap :/
[12:44] <redrum> tried that.  even logged out
[12:44] <carambol> reboot
[12:44] <[Spooky] > crimsun: ok and what are they and where do i add them ?
[12:44] <carambol> or uninstall/reinstall
[12:44] <crimsun> [Spooky] : covered in the wiki. :)
[12:44] <[Spooky] > crimsun: ok let me see hehe
[12:44] <redrum> how do i uninstall?
[12:45] <zerotime> how to add mp3 support
[12:45] <zerotime> ?
[12:45] <carambol> sudo apt-get remove mozilla-firefox
[12:45] <ACID|net> hey all
[12:45] <ACID|net> got a bit of odd question here but here it goes
[12:45] <snowblink> redrum: are you on warty?
[12:45] <hummm> crimsun: would it help if i just disable gettys from /etc/inittab?
[12:45] <crimsun> hummm: no
[12:45] <ACID|net> im trying to do a netcat into a web server to see what the HTTP headers look like
[12:45] <ACID|net> but im not getting any respose
[12:45] <carambol> redrum: http://ubuntuguide.org
[12:45] <hummm> crimsun: but at least i would not be able to accidentally swith to another getty..
[12:45] <redrum> warty yes
[12:45] <redrum> thx
[12:45] <crimsun> ACID|net: are you using the correct HTTP syntax?
[12:45] <hummm> or would i?
[12:46] <crimsun> ACID|net: two blank lines, etc.
[12:46] <ACID|net> you mean at the end?
[12:47] <ACID|net> yeah
[12:47] <ACID|net> i am
[12:47] <ACID|net> nc just closes and i go back to the $
[12:47] <redrum> brb
[12:47] <inc_> sup peeps
[12:47] <shock> nm
[12:47] <[Spooky] > crimsun: im blind i guess...
[12:47] <inc_> anyone good at getting sound cards to work?
[12:48] <zerotime>  GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 0D0F3E2B5D3877A7
[12:48] <zerotime> W: Tal vez quiera ejecutar 'apt-get update' para corregir estos problemas
[12:48] <zerotime> how to correct that, sorry for pasting
[12:49] <carambol> zerotine: do your upgrade after that
[12:49] <hummm> crimsun: ok, well thanks for the info
[12:49] <crimsun> inc_: what sound card?
[12:49] <zerotime> carambol,
[12:49] <carambol> zerotine: sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:49] <inc_> well it's soundblaster "compatible" but as far as I can find out it's a CS4231
[12:50] <carambol> are you upgradeing to hoary?
[12:50] <inc_> it's an old fujitsu c340 lifebook
[12:50] <zerotime> carambol I just upgraded
[12:50] <shock> what does lspci say about the soundchip ?
[12:50] <zerotime> added line deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main and get that error on apt-get update
[12:50] <inc_> let me find out
[12:50] <carambol> dont give attention to the message about nerim
[12:51] <zerotime> ok
[12:51] <invictus> where did the gnome wlan applet go in the newest hoary dev release? cant find it
[12:51] <inc_> i don't see it...
[12:51] <Xappe> zerotime: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14015
[12:52] <redrum> still firefox 0.9.3...
[12:52] <carambol> zerotine: you have to add the source of backports
[12:52] <carambol> look in the ubuntuguide
[12:52] <snowblink> zerotime: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[12:53] <carambol> how you add sources
[12:53] <shock> ok - brb ... doing the restart x thingy ;)
[12:53] <carambol> http://ubuntuguide.org
[12:53] <snowblink> redrum: firefox 0.9.3 is the default FF for warty
[12:53] <redrum> ok i'm reading on how to 'add extra repositories' right now
[12:53] <inc_> lsmod
[12:54] <mrpsycho> im trying to upgrade the nvidia drivers to 6629 but the ones on the hoary servers require a kernel upgrade (im running warty 2.6.8.1-4-k7)
[12:54] <carambol> zerotine: you have to add backports to your sources list
[12:54] <mrpsycho> not sure if there is a backport somewhere or not
[12:55] <shock> im back :D
[12:55] <mrpsycho> need help :(
[12:55] <inc_> wb
[12:55] <carambol> in the ubuntuguid it is explained how to add sources
[12:57] <inc_> lspci doesn't show any sound cards
[12:57] <redrum> ok i just did an 'apt-get update'.  that should upgrade my firefox?
[12:57] <niptac> does anyone know how to turn off the modem speaker volume in pppconfig?
[12:58] <carambol> redrum
[12:58] <androxxl> mc
[12:58] <carambol> upgrade
[01:00] <inc_> so anyone else got any ideas on getting a my sound card working?
[01:00] <redrum> hey
[01:00] <crimsun> inc_: cat /proc/asound/modules
[01:00] <redrum> upgrade
[01:00] <redrum> ?
[01:01] <snowblink> carambol: unless he adds the backports, he is still going to have FF 0.9.3
[01:01] <inc_> no sound in proc
[01:01] <carambol> that i told him
[01:01] <inc_> i see driver, devices, modules
[01:01] <carambol> why he does not use the ubuntuguide
[01:03] <redrum> where is the 'file browser' located?
[01:03] <crimsun> inc_: not "sound". "asound".
[01:03] <inc_> i do a cat on /proc/modules and see a big list... sb_lib uart401 sound soundcore
[01:04] <crimsun> ah, you have the ole isapnp -/> alsa issue.
[01:04] <inc_> yea i guess
[01:04] <crimsun> inc_: to confirm it for me, please paste your lsmod output onto http://pastebin.ca
[01:05] <inc_> it's on my laptop that's not connected on the netowrk here at work
[01:05] <inc_> let me see if i can jack in for a few
[01:08] <inc_> ok you don't want to see all of it ... just the sound stuff right
[01:09] <inc_> sb_lib                 44720  0
[01:09] <inc_> uart401                11460  1 sb_lib
[01:09] <inc_> sound                  75308  2 sb_lib,uart401
[01:09] <inc_> soundcore               9824  2 sb_lib,sound
[01:09] <stuNNed> crimsun: it was stupid firestarter and networked filesystems
[01:09] <crimsun> inc_: (next time please paste in #flood, or use http://pastebin.ca, thanks)
[01:10] <crimsun> inc_: actually I need to see the entire output
[01:10] <inc_> ok hold up
[01:10] <goldfish> Is there any utilities for joining .mpg'2 in ubuntu?
[01:10] <goldfish> *.mpg's
[01:12] <lucien> Ok, can someone tell me why the sound on this system sounds horrible, though it does not sound that way on Windows ?
[01:13] <Robodad> I just received an unmet dependency error when I updated / upgraded Unbuntu.
[01:13] <Robodad> -----------------------
[01:13] <Robodad> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these.
[01:13] <Robodad> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:13] <Robodad>   libperl5.8: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.3) but 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.2 is in stalled
[01:13] <Robodad>   perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.3) but 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.2 is installe d
[01:13] <Robodad> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[01:13] <Robodad> ---------------
[01:13] <Robodad> When I tried the -f option, I got a dbpkg error.
[01:13] <Robodad> ---------------
[01:13] <Robodad> robodad@ubuntu-jdm:~ $ sudo apt-get -f install perl-base
[01:13] <Robodad> Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:13] <Robodad> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[01:14] <Robodad> The following packages will be upgraded:
[01:14] <Robodad>   perl-base
[01:14] <Robodad> 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 50 not upgraded.
[01:14] <Robodad> 5 not fully installed or removed.
[01:14] <Robodad> Need to get 0B/727kB of archives.
[01:14] <Robodad> After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used.
[01:14] <inc_> here you go http://minimzx.com/lsmod.txt
[01:14] <Robodad> Preconfiguring packages ...
[01:14] <Robodad> (Reading database ... 260015 files and directories currently installed.)
[01:14] <crimsun> Robodad: please don't flood in here; use #flood or http://pastebin.ca
[01:14] <Robodad> Preparing to replace perl-base 5.8.4-2ubuntu0.2 (using .../perl-base_5.8.4-2ubuntu0.3_i386.deb) ...
[01:14] <Robodad> Unpacking replacement perl-base ...
[01:14] <zerotime> hi
[01:14] <Robodad> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-base_5.8.4-2ubuntu0.3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[01:14] <Robodad>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/perl/5.8', which is also in package liblockfile-simple-perl
[01:14] <Robodad> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:14] <Robodad>  /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-base_5.8.4-2ubuntu0.3_i386.deb
[01:14] <Robodad> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:14] <Robodad> -----------
[01:14] <Robodad> Any suggestions?
[01:14] <randabis> holy crap
[01:14] <crimsun> Robodad: please don't flood in here; use #flood or http://pastebin.ca
[01:14] <randabis> DON'T EVER DO THAT AGAIN
[01:14] <zerotime> where are the win32codec
[01:14] <inc_> lol
[01:14] <zerotime> whats the repository
[01:14] <crimsun> zerotime: /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:15] <inc_> crimsun you get my url for lsmod?
[01:15] <fraggsta> ok, every entry in "computer" and "network" in nautilus have turned into .desktop files, which will not open
[01:15] <zerotime> crimsun,
[01:15] <Robodad> OK.  Clueless newbie stands corrected.
[01:15] <fraggsta> what can I do?
[01:15] <crimsun> inc_: yes, I just looked at it.
[01:15] <inc_> kool
[01:15] <Xappe> the little gnomes in gnome that make the sounds are tired and drunk, that's why they can't make sounds at the same time  off@bed
[01:16] <crimsun> inc_: first, you need to modprobe sb_lib
[01:16] <zerotime> how to fix fonts in xmms?
[01:16] <crimsun> inc_: err
[01:16] <zerotime> the menus have big fonts
[01:16] <crimsun> inc_: first, you need to ,,sudo modprobe -r sb_lib''
[01:16] <inc_> lol ok
[01:16] <lucien> Argh, horrible mp3 playback.
[01:16] <crimsun> lucien: what sound chipset?
[01:17] <lucien> AC97, but it works perfectly under Windows XP, never had any trouble there. Just for the record that it is not a hardware issue.
[01:17] <gabaug> what program/function/algorithm is used to encrypt passwords in /etc/shadow?
[01:17] <inc_> ok nothing happened
[01:17] <lucien> Ehm, ATI something xp150.
[01:18] <crimsun> lucien: you need a newer version of ALSA than what's included with Warty.
[01:18] <zerotime> please, anyone knows how to fix xmms fonts?
[01:18] <crimsun> lucien: (snd-atiixp driver)
[01:18] <zerotime> in the menus, the fonts are huge
[01:18] <crimsun> brb, telephone.
[01:18] <inc_> crimsun i see it gone from lsmod
[01:18] <hybrid> anyone know of a aac player for ubuntu
[01:18] <zerotime> after upgrading
[01:18] <LinuxJones> gabaug, libcrypt I think
[01:19] <lucien> Hmmkay Crimsun, what do I have to do ? Type that in the console ?
[01:19] <lucien> Newbie, just installed linux today.
[01:19] <randabis> you have to upgrade alsa, or do a dist upgrade to hoary
[01:19] <inc_> so here is the updated lsmod http://minimzx.com/lsmod2.txt
[01:19] <lucien> Okay, how to do that ?
[01:19] <hybrid> lucien : ubuntu?
[01:19] <lucien> Yes.
[01:20] <hybrid> and what do u wanna do?
[01:20] <crimsun> lucien: the easiest way is to dist-upgrade to Hoary.
[01:20] <lucien> I have done a partial upgrade to the new kernel I believe, because at first, the soundcard wouldn't work at all.
[01:20] <crimsun> lucien: there are other methods, though, if you wish to stay with Warty.
[01:20] <crimsun> inc_: looking.
[01:21] <lucien> Okay, how to upgrade ?
[01:21] <crimsun> lucien: follow the instructions on the wiki for dist-upgrading to Hoary.
[01:21] <hybrid> lucien: the distro or packages?
[01:22] <crimsun> inc_: sudo modprobe snd-cs423
[01:22] <lucien> Okay.
[01:22] <crimsun> inc_: then: sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[01:22] <crimsun> inc_: apologies, that's snd-cs4231
[01:22] <shock> darn... I think I lost my irssi config :/
[01:22] <shock> *sigh*
[01:22] <lucien> Okay, but it was not found.
[01:23] <lucien> The module.
[01:23] <randabis> uh...
[01:23] <inc_> ok crimsun trying now
[01:24] <redrum> can someone point me to how to setup my syaptics touchpad on my laptop?
[01:24] <crimsun> redrum: for XFree86?
[01:24] <lucien> Ehm crimsun, it was not found, the device.
[01:24] <hybrid> is ubuntu set up in laptop mode
[01:25] <redrum> i think so
[01:25] <redrum> i'm a noob
[01:25] <crimsun> lucien: "the device"?
[01:25] <hybrid> me 2
[01:25] <Pluk> redrum, have you installed xfree86-driver-synaptics or xorg-driver-synaptics ?
[01:25] <inc_> crimsun: I get an error when i do modprobe snd-cs4231
[01:25] <crimsun> lucien: /join #flood and paste _only_ the audio section from lspci -v
[01:25] <redrum> no
[01:25] <crimsun> inc_: paste the error in #flood or http://pastebin.ca
[01:26] <redrum> is there a command i can use to search for these things?
[01:26] <Pluk> apt-cache search
[01:26] <bruce_> im off
[01:26] <bruce_> cu
[01:26] <zerotime> gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907
[01:26] <zerotime>  how to fix this please
[01:26] <zerotime> sorry
[01:26] <inc_> it's two lines
[01:26] <crimsun> zerotime: his new key is not available yet.
[01:26] <zerotime> ok
[01:26] <redrum> is there a keyboard command to bring up a console window quickly?
[01:27] <heliolith> no but you can make one
[01:27] <inc_> http://pastebin.ca/5365
[01:27] <zerotime> crimsun, if I dont have the key, I cant install from there right?
[01:27] <crimsun> redrum: or just right-click empty space on the desktop and select Open Terminal
[01:27] <hybrid> i have ctrl shift  t to do it
[01:27] <heliolith> redrum: computer/desktop prefs/keyboard shortcuts... I use cntrl+numpad enter
[01:27] <crimsun> zerotime: you can install unverified packages at your own risk
[01:27] <zerotime> how
[01:28] <crimsun> zerotime: just tell aptitude/apt-get to do so
[01:28] <zerotime> is win32codecs package there
[01:28] <zerotime> in marillat?
[01:28] <crimsun> w32codecs, yes.
[01:28] <fraggsta> ok, what can I do when computer starts looking like this:  http://www.jrw6.net/computer.jpg
[01:28] <redrum> cool
[01:28] <fraggsta> and nothing will actually open
[01:28] <zerotime> crimsun, you solved my problem, the name was changed
[01:29] <crimsun> inc_: please paste also the lspnp output
[01:29] <fraggsta> anyone?  Is there anything I can do short of reinstalling?
[01:29] <redrum> how about new themes, especially different mouse pointers?
[01:30] <fraggsta> I've tried deleting .themes .gconf .gconfd and .icons
[01:30] <fraggsta> NOTHING helps
[01:30] <shock> ok - what have you done ?
[01:30] <shock> to get it this way?
[01:31] <fraggsta> nothing, other than install a few themes
[01:31] <shock> hm... have you tried switching them to default ... maybe Human
[01:31] <fraggsta> yes
[01:31] <crimsun> fraggsta: have you tried selecting another theme (not one you downloaded)?
[01:31] <fraggsta> it makes absolutely no difference
[01:31] <shock> hm
[01:31] <fraggsta> I've even tried adding a new user and logging in as them, which makes no difference
[01:31] <shock> how about trying the following: add another user
[01:32] <|QuaD-_> are there any bugs in hoary that would make my load shoot up (ie in xorg, hald, or gam_server)?
[01:32] <shock> log in as the new user
[01:32] <iapx8088> so
[01:32] <shock> log out
[01:32] <inc_> http://minimzx.com/lspnp.txt
[01:32] <|QuaD-_> i have load average of 10.41 10.14, 10.04
[01:32] <inc_> there u go
[01:32] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: udev+hald. Resolved with a reboot.
[01:32] <|QuaD-_> and thats low compared to what its been!
[01:32] <|QuaD-_> crimsun: will that fix it for good?
[01:32] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: it did for the machines here.
[01:33] <|QuaD-_> ok.... i mean its not like i dislike haveing 10.41 loadtimes :)
[01:33] <hybrid> sum one tell me if it would be wise to put apache on my notebook and use it to host my website
[01:33] <|QuaD-_> hybrid: do you have a static ip?
[01:34] <|QuaD-_> you know that when you turn your comp off, it goes off
[01:34] <hybrid> |QuaD: yea
[01:34] <hybrid> oo nvm then
[01:34] <juan> hi guyz, on warty I mounted my windows partition on /media/windows for access it on my Desktop :) but I upgraded to hoary and my /media/windows doesn't appear on my Desktop... How can I fix that? thanks :P
[01:34] <redrum> can i make my mouse pointer larger than 'large'?
[01:34] <Leviathan_> How do I edit sources.list in /etc/apt/ ?  It says read-only, so I can't change it.
[01:34] <crimsun> inc_: lspnp -v ?
[01:35] <crimsun> Leviathan_: you need superuser privileges, so use sudo
[01:35] <Leviathan_> thanks a bunch.
[01:35] <hybrid> omg i mounted my ngage as an hdd and it is working
[01:35] <|QuaD-_> hybrid: i hosted my website on my comp for a while
[01:35] <inc_> one sec
[01:35] <heliolith> Leviathan sudo gedit /etc/apt sources.list
[01:35] <|QuaD-_> hybrid: lol
[01:35] <hybrid> |QuaD: how was it
[01:35] <juan> hi guyz, on warty I mounted my windows partition on /media/windows for access it on my Desktop :) but I upgraded to hoary and my /media/windows doesn't appear on my Desktop... How can I fix that? thanks :P
[01:36] <hybrid> |QuaD: its kool lol
[01:36] <randabis> we read it the first time...
[01:36] <|QuaD-_> hybrid: i don't get a lot of traffic :) os it didn't affect me too much
[01:36] <BiteMeBilly> Do people even read ubuntuguide.org?
[01:36] <hybrid> |QuaD: ooo
[01:36] <|QuaD-_> BiteMeBilly: i do occassionally
[01:36] <|QuaD-_> to see whats on it
[01:36] <Leviathan_> I didn't even see UG.
[01:36] <juan> !
[01:36] <Phr0stByte> Can anyone tell me how to unblock ports (going through a router)?
[01:36] <Leviathan_> This is helpful.
[01:37] <BiteMeBilly> Phr0stByte:  you need to forward then.
[01:37] <hybrid> how long b4 linux itunes?
[01:37] <Phr0stByte> BiteMeBGilly: yes - how?
[01:37] <|QuaD-_> Phr0stByte: that depends on your router
[01:38] <BiteMeBilly> Phr0stByte:  What make router?
[01:38] <|QuaD-_> hybrid: never
[01:38] <|QuaD-_> hybrid: for mea tleast
[01:38] <hybrid> |QuaD: why?
[01:38] <lucien> Okay, I updated the system to hoary. But still horrible sound playback.
[01:38] <Phr0stByte> BiteMeBilly: Linksys
[01:38] <|QuaD-_> closed source... and there are decent open source alternatives
[01:38] <crimsun> lucien: did you install a new kernel, too?
[01:38] <hybrid> |QuaD: but could i get and ipod and still use it on linux
[01:39] <BiteMeBilly> Phr0stByte: http://192.168.1.1 then admin is the default password
[01:39] <|QuaD-_> hybrid: you can now
[01:39] <Agrajag-> hey all, im trying to mount an nfs share, but get "mount: RPC: program not registered"
[01:39] <juan> hi guyz, on warty I mounted my windows partition on /media/windows for access it on my Desktop :) but I upgraded to hoary and my /media/windows doesn't appear on my Desktop... How can I fix that? thanks :P
[01:39] <|QuaD-_> there are open source programs (that i use)
[01:39] <randabis> you can currently use an ipod with gtkpod
[01:39] <hybrid> |QuaD: ok
[01:39] <|QuaD-_> and there is crossover office that works with itunes
[01:39] <crimsun> juan: have you checked to see if your windows mount is active?
[01:39] <ACID|net> in a HTTP Server, what should OPTIONS do? I cant understand the RFC
[01:39] <Agrajag-> i have portmap running. i can't figure out the problem - other machines can mount the same nfs share fine
[01:39] <hybrid> |QuaD: ok
[01:39] <crimsun> juan: e.g., with cat /proc/mounts ?
[01:39] <hybrid> Agrajag : is port map like nmap?
[01:40] <redrum> I got mozilla firefox 1.0 now.  had to do an apt-get upgrade
[01:40] <lucien> Yes Crimsun, I installed the new distro.
[01:40] <lucien> How can I check the exact version ?
[01:40] <lucien> aname something ?
[01:40] <juan> crimsun thanks >(
[01:40] <Agrajag-> hybrid: uhh no.
[01:40] <juan> :(
[01:40] <randabis> ?
[01:40] <hybrid> Agrajag: what is it
[01:41] <Agrajag-> hybrid: man portmap
[01:41] <juan> I have mounted de windows partition crimsun >( I can cd to &media&windows and view the files...
[01:41] <juan> the*
[01:41] <redrum> ok now how do I install my synaptics driver?
[01:41] <syn-ack> Hey everyone.
[01:41] <redrum> for my touchpad?
[01:41] <lucien> Hey, do you have an Acer notebook redrum ?
[01:41] <crimsun> lucien: uname -r
[01:41] <syn-ack> redrum: it should have out of the box.
[01:41] <Phr0stByte> BiteMeBilly: Thanx - but what do I do there?
[01:41] <lucien> Okay, thanks crimsun.
[01:41] <redrum> lucien: toshiba satellite
[01:42] <crimsun> redrum: what are you attempting to configure?
[01:42] <redrum> syn-ack: the touchpad doesn't work...
[01:42] <lucien> 2.6.10-2-686
[01:42] <inc_> crimsun how would one pipe that out to a text file... I forgot the command
[01:42] <lucien> That is the version now crimsun.
[01:42] <redrum> crimsun: i have a synaptics touchpad on my laptop and it doesn't work by default
[01:42] <crimsun> lucien: how high are the volume sliders set?
[01:42] <BiteMeBilly> Phr0stByte: Linksys site does have a walk thru that is easy to follow.  I don't have a linksys here just know the basic information on them,.
[01:42] <lucien> crimsun: mid
[01:43] <crimsun> lucien: are they still distorting?
[01:43] <BiteMeBilly> Phr0stByte: http://www.dslwebserver.com/main/fr_index.html?/main/sbs-linksys-port-forwarding-range.html
[01:43] <lucien> Well, during playing whole parts of the song are ( sometimes ) skipped. And the sound, is just horrible. Like having one of the first Soundblasters.
[01:44] <redrum> how do i search the apt-get to see if there are drivers for it?
[01:44] <redrum> or is that what i would even start with?
[01:44] <crimsun> lucien: same symptoms with gst-launch/rhythmbox and/or totem-xine?
[01:45] <lucien> Yes, I have tried most of them.
[01:45] <crimsun> inc_: '>'
[01:45] <inc_> hmm tried that
[01:45] <crimsun> lucien: any messages in dmesg regarding sound?
[01:46] <redrum> can i get apt-get to output a list of what it has, then pipe the output to grep?
[01:46] <inc_> got it that time
[01:47] <cowbud> does ubuntu have an experimental repositry ?
[01:47] <cowbud> besides hoary?
[01:47] <crimsun> no.
[01:47] <daniels> cowbud: no
[01:47] <crimsun> unless you count ubuntu-bp :p
[01:47] <lucien> Okay crimsun, found nothing unusual.
[01:47] <inc_> http://minimzx.com/lspnpv.txt
[01:49] <cowbud> ubuntu-bp?
[01:49] <julio> cowbud, backports.
[01:49] <redrum> ok i did an 'apt-get xfree86-driver-synaptics', and it said i already have the latest version, yet my touchpad doesn't work still...
[01:49] <inc_> what do you know.. there's the sound card
[01:49] <hybrid> whats a good c++ compiler
[01:49] <randabis> poorly packaged backports, but they work
[01:49] <cowbud> ahh
[01:49] <randabis> makes upgrading to hoary a nightmare if you use them
[01:49] <wm_eddie> hybrid: uhh... gcc?
[01:49] <inc_> so crimsun it's CSC0110 ?
[01:50] <hybrid> besides gcc
[01:50] <SamJ> hi guys, im after help mounting a FAT32 file system :)
[01:50] <wm_eddie> hybrid: um, Intel has a really good optimizing compiler for x86
[01:50] <hybrid> ok
[01:50] <hybrid> nvm
[01:50] <crimsun> inc_: sudo modprobe snd-cs4231 dma2=0 dma1=1 port=0x530 irq=5 mpu_port=0x388
[01:50] <snowblink> SamJ: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[01:51] <heliolith> somehow I bungled up the users on one machine I'm configuring with Ubuntu and I ended up with 2 users both called "teacher"
[01:51] <[Spooky] > hm what ftp client do you recomend that support SSL ?
[01:51] <heliolith> when I try and run sudo it tells me i'm not in the list
[01:51] <crimsun> [Spooky] : lftp or ncftp are my favs
[01:51] <heliolith> any way to destroy one of the user accounts?
[01:51] <[Spooky] > crimsun: tui ?
[01:51] <BiteMeBilly> heliolith: whitch is a member of less groups?
[01:51] <crimsun> [Spooky] : cli
[01:51] <randabis> rmuser?
[01:51] <crimsun> [Spooky] : you could try gftp
[01:51] <heliolith> BiteMeBilly I can't tell how can I check?
[01:52] <inc_> took it with no error
[01:52] <randabis> deluser rather
[01:52] <crimsun> inc_: excellent. now: sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[01:52] <[Spooky] > crimsun: i have gftp but cant get the ssl too work...
[01:52] <inc_> ok we getting some where.. it took that
[01:53] <crimsun> inc_: ok, now use ,,alsamixer'' to unmute the sliders (press 'm')
[01:53] <BiteMeBilly> heliolith: Computer > System Config. > users and groups.
[01:53] <goldfish> Can you play .wma files in ubuntu?
[01:53] <randabis> yes
[01:53] <crimsun> goldfish: with w32codecs and mplayer, yes.
[01:53] <goldfish> mplayer
[01:53] <crimsun> (probably vlc, too)
[01:53] <heliolith> bitebmebilly: I did that and it didn't like my password, now it crashes instead of loading is that normal?
[01:53] <goldfish> ah right, i was trying xmms
[01:53] <goldfish> thanks
[01:54] <bitfoo> can someone explaing to me what array 4 is. as in what the arrays are
[01:54] <randabis> totem-xine will do it too
[01:54] <randabis> milestone releases
[01:54] <inc_> ok
[01:54] <BiteMeBilly> heliolith: So can you log in as the other Teacher since you removed Michael?
[01:55] <crimsun> inc_: now log out of gnome and back in and use rhythmbox (Music Player) to play some music.
[01:55] <heliolith> bitemebilly good memory... well i can log in as one of them yes
[01:55] <inc_> ctrl-alt-bkspace right
[01:55] <BiteMeBilly> heliolith: you need to log in as the one that has root as a group
[01:55] <bitfoo> :|
[01:55] <heliolith> but if they both have the same name?
[01:56] <lucien> My 3rd letter of the alphabet key doesn't work anymore, hahaha ! Be(ause I binded it to some fun(tion. How to undo that ? Like, in 'disable' .
[01:56] <crimsun> inc_: no, computer->log out
[01:57] <Leviathan_> Alright - still having issues.  I'm trying to install ndiswrapper (see: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net ) to get my wifi card working, as it needs this to be supported.  I have gotten the debian package, and have attempted using apt-get install to actually install the package, but in the terminal, it says it can't find the package.  Where is it looking for the package?
[01:57] <BiteMeBilly> heliolith:  Sudo won't work so you can't add another user with root privilages.
[01:57] <inc_> lol did the same thing
[01:57] <randabis> Leviathan_, you don't need to do that
[01:57] <heliolith> well I guess I'll have to reinstall then
[01:57] <randabis> you need to install ndiswrapper-utils
[01:57] <Leviathan_> Where would I put that, then?
[01:57] <BiteMeBilly> heliolith: Well your getting good at that aren't you?
[01:57] <randabis> sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[01:57] <Leviathan_> i'll give that a try right now,.
[01:58] <Anubis> anyone with a page link to enable transparency in Ubuntu
[01:58] <heliolith> Billy: Bite me
[01:58] <BiteMeBilly> heliolith:  Might want to rethink your users.
[01:58] <ficusplanet> Leviathan_, ndiswrapper is in the ubuntu kernel by default.  You just need to apt-get ndiswrapper-utils and do ndiswrapper -i yourdriver.ing
[01:58] <crimsun> Anubis: with Hoary?
[01:58] <ficusplanet> *inf
[01:59] <Leviathan_> Still can't find that package.  from what directory would I need to perform apt-get?
[01:59] <drwho> anyone know the options to make samba bring up the user name and pass box in winxp?  my osx server samba share does this but the one on the linux box doesnt
[01:59] <Leviathan_> just from / ?
[01:59] <Anubis> crimsun, yes or any system with xorg 6.8
[01:59] <heliolith> bitemebilly yah good point!  You think I intentionally created 2 identical aliases?
[01:59] <randabis> Leviathan_, check your repositories
[01:59] <Leviathan_> ...how.
[01:59] <Leviathan_> well
[01:59] <Leviathan_> lemme find out how
[01:59] <crimsun> Anubis: to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, add Section "Extensions" Option     "Composite"     "Enabled" EndSection
[02:00] <crimsun> Anubis: then restart X and use xcompmgr to play with settings.
[02:00] <Leviathan_> alright. I know how to get in there, how would I edit sources.list to have it find it?
[02:00] <Leviathan_> not how to edit, but what to edit with.
[02:00] <Leviathan_> in terms of, what lines needed.
[02:01] <ACID|net> im guessing an 12" ibook 2moro and i was wondering, I have the PowerPC CD ubuntu sent out and I was wondering how easy it is to install without killing OSX
[02:01] <[Spooky] > realy good that lftp :)
[02:01] <ACID|net> *getting
[02:01] <hybrid> ACID|net: it is not to hard
[02:02] <crimsun> juan: any luck?
[02:02] <hybrid> ACID|net : juss do a manual install and it should be good from there
[02:02] <FAST> anyone know why i cant get 'sudo chmod a+x /media/sda1' to work for an external firewire harddrive
[02:02] <Anubis> crimsun, xcompmgr is installed already?
[02:02] <hybrid> ACID|net: g3 or g4
[02:03] <ACID|net> G4
[02:03] <crimsun> Anubis: in Hoary, yes.
[02:03] <hybrid> ACID|net : then no internet on linux
[02:03] <Xenguy> [Spooky] : agreed - lftp is the best CLI FTP client IMO
[02:03] <ficusplanet> FAST, sudo chmod -R a+x /media/sda1
[02:03] <Leviathan_> What would I need to add to my repository/ sources.list to have ndiswrapper-util install?
[02:03] <ACID|net> hybrid: Why??
[02:04] <ficusplanet> Leviathan_, It should be in main.
[02:04] <randabis> ndiswrapper-utils
[02:04] <randabis> not util
[02:04] <[Spooky] > cli = Console Interface right ?
[02:04] <hybrid> ACID|net: b/c of airport extreme is a winmodem and no1 will do drivers for it
[02:04] <crimsun> [Spooky] : command
[02:04] <juan> crimsun thanks :) I'll try late :P
[02:04] <ACID|net> hybrid: What about the ethernet?
[02:04] <[Spooky] > ok :)
[02:04] <crimsun> Leviathan_: ndiswrapper-utils is in main.
[02:04] <ficusplanet> ACID|net, Airport Extreme is not a winmodem.  It's a 802.11g wifi card on the broadcom chipset.
[02:05] <hybrid> ACID|net: idk but i think it doesw work
[02:05] <juan> daniela I like your name :P
[02:05] <shock> confirm - no airport extreme support so far
[02:05] <ACID|net> shock: what about ethernet??
[02:05] <daniela> tks
[02:05] <hybrid> ficusplanet: it mite as well be it is not an harware modem
[02:06] <julio> i <3 blatant mispellings.
[02:06] <julio> mite <3
[02:06] <syn-ack> Airport express's work just fine with linux
[02:06] <ficusplanet> hybrid, Airport Extreme is a normal wifi card.  It is just on the broadcom chipset, which has a closed spec.
[02:06] <xquizit> Hi, why do I keep getting "Unexpected end of stream" in rythmbox when I listen to streaming music. (this is on my lan)
[02:06] <ficusplanet> syn-ack, No, airport extreme does not work with linux
 shock: what about ethernet?? <-- ethernet works fine
[02:07] <Leviathan_> This is bugging me, especially because I know it's simple.  You say ndiswrapper-utils is in main... what does that mean?
[02:07] <syn-ack> ficusplanet: tell that to my friend who's running it right now.
[02:07] <hybrid> ficusplanet: oo ok i heard it was essecntiall a winmodem
[02:07] <shock> otherqise I wouldnt be writing here
[02:07] <Leviathan_> (having to run up two flights of stairs, linux on other machine, w/o internet working)
[02:07] <ficusplanet> syn-ack, You're full of crap.
[02:07] <crimsun> Leviathan_: that means you can just download it without editing /etc/apt/sources.list on a ubuntu machine with a live Internet connection
[02:07] <ficusplanet> hybrid, Airport Extreme isn't even a modem
[02:08] <syn-ack> ficusplanet: and who are you again?
[02:08] <Leviathan_> See, it doesn't have a live internet connection, that's why I need ndiswrapper.
 express maaybe but thats diff it isnt an pci wifi card extreme doesnt work on linux
[02:08] <Leviathan_> so I can use the .inf for my wifi card.
[02:08] <redrum> I have an NTFS partition on D:.  how do i mount it?
[02:08] <hybrid> ficusplanet: than whut is it?
[02:08] <ficusplanet> syn-ack, Just look it up.  There are no linux drivers for airport extreme - only the older airport cards.
[02:08] <ficusplanet> hybrid, It's a wifi chipset.
[02:08] <ficusplanet> *wifi nic
[02:08] <hybrid> oo
[02:09] <hybrid> <--- ibook g3 airport card works fine
[02:09] <hybrid> extreme is useless
[02:09] <syn-ack> hrm
[02:09] <ficusplanet> hybrid, Yeah, the g3 airport should work out of the box.
[02:09] <hybrid> ficusplanet: it does i am on it rite now
[02:09] <Leviathan_> So how would I get the ndiswrapper-utils package, then, having no internet connection?
[02:10] <Leviathan_> <- on another computer
[02:10] <hybrid> but i have a problem connecting to netgear routers
[02:10] <randabis> Leviathan_, good question, that's a blunder I think made by the developers lol
[02:10] <Leviathan_> LOL
[02:10] <inc_> hey crimsun i can't test it out now ,, but thank you very much for the help
[02:10] <Leviathan_> that's great.
[02:11] <snowblink> Leviathan_: you don't have a wired NIC on your system at all?
[02:11] <randabis> you could get the .deb and burn it to a disk or floppy
[02:11] <Leviathan_> i run only on wireless connection, as it's far away - very far away - from other computer with wired connection
[02:11] <ficusplanet> Leviathan_, Go here: ftp://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/
[02:11] <FAST> ficusplanet, i tried   sudo chmod -R a+x /media/sda1  , then  sudo ls -al /media/sda1   and  "x" aren't listed for the subfolders
[02:11] <snowblink> Leviathan_: yes, but you can wire it up to get the file you need
[02:11] <Leviathan_> snowblink: no, and where would I put those files, ficusplanet?
[02:12] <ficusplanet> Leviathan_, Just download the ndiswrapper-utils and install it with dpkg -i filename.deb
[02:12] <Leviathan_> will try that in a few minutes. thanks again you all for your help.
[02:12] <ficusplanet> np
[02:13] <syn-ack> ficusplanet: Im sorry about that, hes running an Express. Asked him about it now.
[02:14] <blah09> anyone running ubuntu on a laptop?
[02:14] <syn-ack> I am
[02:14] <ficusplanet> syn-ack, That's wrong.  There are no drivers.  If he's writen some, he should really tell somebody.
[02:14] <Anubis> xcompmgr
[02:14] <blah09> when you close your lid the screen turns off right
[02:14] <Anubis> I don't see this file on my PC
[02:14] <blah09> but does the backlight stay on?
[02:14] <Anubis> crimsun, xcompmgr?
[02:15] <FAST> anyone know why i cant get 'sudo chmod -R a+x /media/sda1' to work for an external firewire harddrive
[02:15] <randabis> Anubis, you have to install it
[02:15] <nightwolf> FAST its fat32 ?
[02:15] <FAST> yes
[02:15] <nightwolf> chmod wont work like that then
[02:15] <gza> Anybody here successfully running ubuntu with onboard Crystal 4236?
[02:16] <gza> sound
[02:16] <FAST> i am trying to share a subfolder on the firewire drive, through samba, but cannot access it from windows machine
[02:16] <Anubis> randabis, am now
[02:16] <Anubis> anyone using tor and privoxy together
[02:23] <Anubis> damn!
[02:24] <hybrid> ??
[02:24] <Anubis> transparency and shadows are HOT!
[02:25] <gza> default ubuntu comes with xfree right?
[02:25] <randabis> don't burn yourself
[02:25] <randabis> gza get hoary then
[02:26] <gza> randabis, is it fairly stable?
[02:26] <randabis> it's very stable in terms of system reliability
[02:26] <heliolith> oh geez, now I have three users all called "teacher" i didn't do it I swear
[02:26] <randabis> it's not "unstable"
[02:26] <randabis> it's a development release
[02:26] <heliolith> my users are replicating without my consent
[02:27] <gza> randabis: ok thanks
[02:27] <randabis> they're multiplying!
[02:27] <Anubis> when I start gnome it thinks there is a gnome-oanel already running
[02:27] <Anubis> I have to kill gnome-panel in another tty to get gnome to load
[02:27] <presector> gza, really xorg is better than xfree?
[02:28] <Anubis> can someone help?
[02:28] <cowbud> what is the official kernel package name for ubuntu? as in what package has the kernel that people run?
[02:28] <cowbud> I can't seem to find that badness..
[02:29] <cowbud> ahh linux-image
[02:29] <cowbud> hah
[02:29] <Anubis> trans is messing with xcaht
[02:29] <juan> !!
[02:29] <juan> kernel-image
[02:29] <Anubis> nm
[02:29] <juan> ?
[02:29] <Anubis> can someone help my gnome dual panel problem?
[02:30] <redrum> what do i have to do to get more themes?
[02:30] <zerotime> hi, can someone please point me how to install ati drivers in ubuntu with xorg
[02:30] <jdub> redrum: go to www.gnome-look.org
[02:31] <redrum> thx
[02:31] <jdub> zerotime: search for fglrx on the wiki
[02:31] <blah09> do we need metacity or gtk2 skins for ubuntu?
[02:32] <ficusplanet> Hey jdub, are you guys including gnome-app-install in hoary's default config?  And how is the web contest coming along?
[02:32] <jdub> ficusplanet: will do; good
[02:32] <ficusplanet> jdub, Awesome; awesome.
[02:33] <randabis> usplash is comin' soon and it's gonna rawk
[02:33] <zerotime> jdub, on the wiki there is an explanation in italian but about xfree, not xorg
[02:33] <FAST> how do i set permissions on a fat32 external hard drive without chmod ?
[02:33] <ficusplanet> Oh, yeah, I'm really looking forward to see/showing off usplash.
[02:33] <zerotime> does someone know?
[02:33] <heliolith> there's no way to run the ubuntu install like a repair disk is there?  I got locked out of my main user account somehow
[02:34] <jdub> zerotime: there is a guide to setting up the drivers, it's the same for both
[02:34] <zerotime> heliolith, boot kernel in safe mode
[02:34] <jdub> FAST: you can't
[02:34] <syn-ack> heliolith: Boot into single user
[02:34] <zerotime> option in grub
[02:34] <Ells> I cannot use my sound when playing dvds, any takers as far as telling what is wrong
[02:34] <heliolith> syn-ack how do you boot into single user? safe mode?
[02:34] <syn-ack> heliolith: you have to edit the GRUB menu
[02:35] <FAST> then how can i share a folder on an external firewire drive through samba ?
[02:35] <syn-ack> heliolith: press ESC to actually see it then press "e" on the first kernel
[02:35] <heliolith> ok ty
[02:35] <jdub> FAST: you can do that independently of filesystem permissions
[02:35] <heliolith> and use recovery mode?
[02:36] <syn-ack> heliolith: then you add "single" to the end of the "kernel" line, press enter then "b"
[02:36] <zerotime> jdub, sorry to bug you but cant find an explanation for xorg
[02:36] <zerotime> on the wiki
[02:36] <zerotime> only xfree
[02:36] <heliolith> syn-ack the kernel lines aren't editable
[02:36] <syn-ack> The hell they arent/
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> heliolith: aside from when you press the 'e' key
[02:37] <FAST> jdub, i haven't been successful at it...      i made an entry in smb.conf:     [folder] comment = comment writeable = no path=/media/sda1/folder
[02:37] <BiteMeBilly> syn-ack: He can't sudo.  Doesn't have the privilage.
[02:37] <Ells> I cannot use my sound when playing dvds, any takers as far as telling what is wrong
[02:37] <syn-ack> BiteMeBilly: you can do anything in single user.
[02:37] <Ells> Please help
[02:37] <LinuxJones> Ells, you don't get sound from dvd 's ?
[02:37] <syn-ack> you dont need sudo to edit GRUB
[02:37] <BiteMeBilly> syn-ack: But he has to edit grub before he can boot to it.
[02:37] <Ells> nope, I can hear system sounds though
[02:37] <syn-ack> no, he doesnt
[02:38] <syn-ack> BiteMeBilly: Read the man page on GRUB
[02:38] <BiteMeBilly> ok.
[02:38] <Ells> it is like the esd wont open up or something
[02:38] <miho> linux is for nerds.
[02:38] <syn-ack> heliolith: press "b" like I told you too
[02:38] <Ells> Linux, please help
[02:38] <zerotime> does anyone have an ati radeon card, with 3d aceleration enabled?
[02:38] <heliolith> syn-ack so I add single to the end of the kernel line?
[02:38] <ficusplanet> miho, Ubuntu is Linux for human beings.  Heh.
[02:38] <heliolith> with a space first between splash and single
[02:38] <syn-ack> heliolith: yes and then press enter
[02:39] <xAlejandrox> eek
[02:39] <heliolith> and then when I hit b it spells singleb
[02:39] <miho> ficusplanet: human beings that are nerds!@
[02:39] <xAlejandrox> Who is a PPC expert here?
[02:39] <miho> oh snap!
[02:39] <Ells> ficus, what is up
[02:39] <syn-ack> heliolith: ok
[02:39] <xAlejandrox> I am having issues with the PPC install
[02:39] <ficusplanet> Ells, nothing much
[02:39] <miho> I kid.
[02:39] <miho> I <3 Ubuntu
[02:39] <syn-ack> then press enter and then "b"
[02:39] <heliolith> is that right syn-ack?  singleb?
[02:39] <xAlejandrox> Im F***ing up on yaboot
[02:39] <Ells> still having problems with my sound
[02:39] <Ells> with dvds
[02:39] <LinuxJones> Ells, you just need to install support for the formats >> http://ubuntuguide.org/ Look to Add-On Applications
[02:39] <xAlejandrox> hep mepweez
[02:40] <Ells> i really dont understand
[02:40] <xAlejandrox> well
[02:40] <Ells> do I need to add some software
[02:40] <xAlejandrox> jesus hates linux users
[02:40] <xAlejandrox> DUH
[02:40] <LinuxJones> Ells, yes
[02:40] <miho> Ells: Did you download the drivers for your card?
[02:40] <xAlejandrox> Seriously
[02:40] <syn-ack> xAlejandrox: FOAD
[02:40] <heliolith> ok i got it i think syn-ack
[02:40] <Ells> wouldnt' ubuntu install them, plus it was an upgrade from warty
[02:41] <jdub> zerotime: it works the same way
[02:41] <syn-ack> heliolith: you will then boot like normal, and then come to a bash%
[02:41] <syn-ack> xAlejandrox: Dont message me. Troll.
[02:41] <redrum> after i download a thmeme from gnome-look.org, how do i go about installing it?
[02:41] <LinuxJones> Ells, linux distros can't ship them by default because they are proprietary multi-media formats owned by other companies
[02:41] <miho> does anybody have a good wallpaper pack they are willing to dcc me?
[02:41] <miho> preferably pr0n?
[02:41] <syn-ack> heliolith: you are then the root user and all you will have to do is passwd <user_name>
[02:41] <heliolith> syn-ack ok, by way of history I got into this problem by editing my user names
[02:42] <heliolith> ok
[02:42] <Ells> okay, so where do I go from here, the card worked when it was up under warty
[02:42] <xAlejandrox> Who can hep me with yaboot?
[02:42] <aardvark> uh anyone installe fglrx drivers for ATI
[02:42] <miho> Alejandro
[02:42] <miho> pm me
[02:42] <xAlejandrox> It is not installing right with the warty install disk
[02:42] <miho> :)
[02:42] <heliolith> syn-ack like this: passwd <heliolith> secretword
[02:42] <heliolith> ?
[02:42] <syn-ack> no
[02:43] <syn-ack> heliolith: just  passwd <user_name>
[02:43] <Ells> LinuxJones, so what should I do next
[02:43] <syn-ack> then it will ask for the new pass
[02:43] <aardvark> gdm comes up and then i try to login and it then just restarts gdm and goes back to login screen ??
[02:43] <zerotime> please, having issues with xorg, and ati drivers
[02:43] <zerotime> help
[02:43] <heliolith> syn-ack with the <>?
[02:43] <syn-ack> no
[02:43] <aardvark> zerotime: me too
[02:43] <zerotime> I dont know how to install them
[02:43] <zerotime> fgrlxinfo reports mesa instead of ati
[02:44] <randabis> ctfw
[02:44] <syn-ack> heliolith: like mine is passwd meskes
[02:44] <aardvark> I get this error in messages
[02:44] <zerotime> I have installed ati drivers, and control packages
[02:44] <aardvark> gdm_slave_session_start: /home/jv is not owned by uid 1000.
[02:44] <syn-ack> then it will say New UNIX Password.
[02:44] <redrum> im' trying to install new mouse cursors but cannot figure it out...
[02:44] <aardvark> zerotime: whats the problem
[02:45] <heliolith> syn-ack ok i did it... now the problem I think was that I had two seperate users named the same thing after changning my username, and lost sudo priviledges
[02:45] <heliolith> syn-ack is there a way at this bash prompt to check my users groups/
[02:45] <syn-ack> heliolith: type this groups <user>
[02:45] <Ells> LinuxJones, what ya think I should do from here
[02:45] <syn-ack> meskes : users
[02:45] <syn-ack> See?
[02:46] <aardvark> gdm does not bring up desktop
[02:46] <heliolith> syn-ack it says teacher : michael which is the old username I had
[02:46] <LinuxJones> Ells, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/view?searchterm=dvd%20playback
[02:46] <miho> 8[02:46] <syn-ack> heliolith: man useradd and userdel
[02:46] <mebaran151> Hey all
[02:46] <LinuxJones> Ells, take a good look @ that page
[02:46] <syn-ack> heliolith: and man passwd
[02:46] <syn-ack> bbiab
[02:46] <Ells> Thanks LinuxJones, I will check it out
[02:47] <mebaran151> what is a good linux friendly mp3 player
[02:47] <mebaran151> just out of curiousity
[02:47] <Wolven> mebaran151, xmms
[02:47] <Wolven> it's like winamp2
[02:48] <Wolven> in looks that is
[02:48] <randabis> rhythmbox, amarok, xmms, beep, etc
[02:48] <randabis> muine
[02:48] <LinuxJones> mebaran151, rhythmbox
[02:49] <xAlejandrox> im with xmms
[02:49] <xAlejandrox> it is like winamp
[02:49] <goldfish> xmms is nice
[02:49] <goldfish> u can get the winamp5 skin for it
[02:49] <goldfish> looks cool
[02:49] <xAlejandrox> and get scizzor for it
[02:49] <xAlejandrox> then it is fun
[02:49] <randabis> http://img221.exs.cx/img221/4492/desktop2eh.jpg
[02:50] <randabis> :)
[02:50] <xAlejandrox> because you can hear what the chipmunks actually sound like
[02:50] <bitfoo> lyou want fat32 for a fs if you want to be able to read a drive in both windows and linux correct?
[02:50] <blah09> hey how do i install new icons?
[02:50] <bretzel> Hi all, something is strange, I was used always see my printer ( Epson Stylus C80) in all other linux distrib, but this one Ubuntu the C80 isn't there ???? Why, I know it is not Ubuntu related package or driver provider... any body knows what I must install to have this printer driver ?
[02:50] <randabis> yes bitfoo
[02:50] <restrex> randabis your desktop is a little ugly :s
[02:50] <heliolith> syn-ack I'm reading man useradd trying to figure out which flag would give this new user sudo rights
[02:51] <restrex> a bit
[02:51] <u0>  http://img221.exs.cx/img221/4492/desktop2eh.jpg
[02:51] <restrex> :)
[02:51] <randabis> that's your opinion
[02:51] <restrex> yes
[02:51] <restrex> sorry
[02:51] <randabis> I find it quite lovely
[02:51] <restrex> I thin that
[02:51] <restrex> I think that
[02:51] <restrex> :)
[02:51] <goldfish> I think it's cool
[02:51] <goldfish> randabis: What is that terminal u got?
[02:51] <blah09> ah the terminal again ;)
[02:51] <randabis> Terminal
[02:51] <goldfish> right
[02:52] <restrex> http://restrex.dotgeek.org/hoary.png  /// this is soooo ugly :S
[02:52] <goldfish> Sorry im new to linux, how did u get the panel at the bottom like that randabis ?
[02:52] <randabis> I use xfce
[02:53] <goldfish> kk
[02:53] <daniels> can we please have screenshot contests somewhere else?
[02:53] <randabis> sure thing
[02:53] <restrex> :)
[02:53] <randabis> wasn't trying to turn it into a contest
[02:53] <cowbud> haaha
[02:53] <bretzel> .... where is the Epson stylus C80 printer driver??? I need to use my printer...
[02:53] <restrex> !
[02:53] <randabis> just posted that shot because it had the winamp 5 skin
[02:53] <randabis> since it was mentioned
[02:54] <restrex> randabis that isn-t impressive :/
[02:54] <blah09> ok so importing icons doesnt seem to work
[02:54] <u0>   python-eyed3: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu4 is to be installed
[02:54] <u0> what am i supposed to do?
[02:54] <Wolven> blah09, do you mean Gnome icon themes?
[02:54] <blah09> yep
[02:54] <Wolven> look here http://art.gnome.org/faq.php#4
[02:55] <blah09> thanks
[02:55] <Wolven> np
[02:55] <blah09> hm the icon pack now shows up as a choice, but the icons dont get applied =/
[02:55] <blah09> bad theme?
[02:56] <bretzel> Sorry I have a problem: Where is the Epson stylus C80 printer driver??? I need to use my printer... - This driver is there in every other distros I've used ...
[02:56] <Ells> LinuxJones, it had some stuff, but not really what I was looking for
[02:56] <Ells> I really would like to know what is making my audio for dvd not work. It works for system sounds, but not dvd or cd audio
[02:57] <goldfish> Are there any other good browsers i find firefox a bit slow even with that ipv6 tweek....
[02:58] <randabis> galeon, epiphany, mozilla
[02:58] <goldfish> thanks
[02:58] <randabis> dillo, but it lacks a lot of features
[02:58] <goldfish> i'll give em a look
[03:00] <Shinitenshi> HELLOOO U GUYS!!!
[03:00] <goldfish> hi
[03:01] <Shinitenshi> your the only one, that is a live
[03:01] <syn-ack> I just dont care.
[03:01] <bretzel> Sorry guys, but I can;t find any hints other places than here for my printer.... I will be able to print my source-code files in linux Ubuntu then :-( that is sad :-(
[03:02] <bretzel> i will not
[03:03] <bitfoo> ;[
[03:04] <bretzel> syn-ack: Are you talking to me ??
[03:04] <blah09> does gnome 2.9 not support older icon packs?
[03:05] <syn-ack> bretzel: Not that I know of.
[03:07] <Wolven> bretzel, just a suggestion. have you looked for the driver here http://www.cups.org/ ?
[03:10] <randabis> indeed, samba sucks :p
[03:10] <bretzel> Ok all, went to Ubuntu wiki for hardware / printers ... found what I was missing .. sorry for the disturb, but I couldn't find it before... :-)
[03:10] <randabis> np bretzel, at least you tried to help yourself, unlike most people that ask for help here
[03:11] <FAST> i cant tell if its a samba problem or permissions with folder on fat32external hard drive problem
[03:12] <bretzel> randabis: but I tend to ask in the middle of my search since a couple of days now ... That's because I feel too much confortable here :-)
[03:12] <randabis> not a problem
[03:12] <randabis> I'm mostly talking about people who ask things that are in the wiki and/or ubuntuguide
[03:13] <randabis> hence I've coined a new acronym
[03:13] <randabis> rtfw
[03:13] <dhirsch> Yo!
[03:13] <BajonBCN> Good night, people
[03:14] <Leviathan_> Back, finally, with another question about ndiswrapper and installing a driver for it.
[03:14] <bretzel> randabis: :-)
[03:14] <bob2> Leviathan_: did you read the howto on the wiki?
[03:14] <aardvark> is there any way to debug why gnome is not working ?
[03:14] <Shinitenshi> Any one know how to get files out a .exe so i can install my wireless card?
[03:15] <Leviathan_> I did, but you weren't here before - I'm in a different predicament, as I don't have any internet on that computer.
[03:15] <bob2> Shinitenshi: try unzipping it with "unzip"
[03:15] <stuNNed> bob2: you use mutt right?
[03:15] <bob2> Leviathan_: then you need to copy files using usb, cd, floppy...
[03:15] <bob2> stuNNed: yes
[03:15] <aardvark> any one ?
[03:15] <Leviathan_> And I have, you haven't even heard my question yet.
[03:15] <Shinitenshi> bob2: u mean the exe
[03:15] <aardvark> gnome issues
[03:15] <u0> Shinitenshi: apt-get install cabextract
[03:15] <bob2> Shinitenshi: yes
[03:15] <Shinitenshi> k
[03:15] <bob2> Shinitenshi: they're often unzipable like that
[03:15] <Shinitenshi> brb
[03:15] <stuNNed> bob2: me too, newbie i am, for some reason i set 'set from' in muttrc but it's getting malformed after leaving the local smtp server
[03:16] <Shinitenshi> ahh
[03:16] <bob2> stuNNed: malformed = ?
[03:16] <goldfish> Shinitenshi: install it on wndows
[03:16] <aardvark> gdm lets me login
[03:16] <bob2> stuNNed: changed to include your local hostname?
[03:16] <stuNNed> bob2: with domain suffix of smtp server
[03:16] <bob2> yeah
[03:16] <stuNNed> bob2: nope
[03:16] <aardvark> gnome just hangs
[03:16] <bob2> stuNNed: can other people send out without that happening?
[03:16] <Shinitenshi> i dont have windows os
[03:16] <Leviathan_> I got ndiswrapper installed and everything
[03:16] <bob2> (ie are you sure it's not a smtp server restriction?)
[03:17] <goldfish> Shinitenshi: ah right
[03:17] <stuNNed> bob2: i am the only sender locally
[03:17] <Leviathan_> and when I go to install a particular driver, it works.
[03:17] <Leviathan_> HOWEVER
[03:17] <Shinitenshi> bob2: i only have linux
[03:17] <Leviathan_> When I do modprobe ndiswrapper
[03:17] <Shinitenshi> did you mean unzip it on windows
[03:17] <Shinitenshi> or is there a tool in linux?
[03:17] <Leviathan_> I get an error saying the module isn't right
[03:17] <bob2> Shinitenshi: the "unzip" program on linux
[03:17] <stuNNed> bob2: it's supposed to be myidfromisp@isp.net in 'set from' but it's turning out malformedfrom@localdomainname
[03:18] <stuNNed> bob2: malformed meaning part of isp username + ending domain name of isp
[03:18] <Shinitenshi> k
[03:18] <bob2> stuNNed: so you've "set from" + "set envelope_from" + "set use_userfrom"?
[03:18] <stuNNed> bob2: just the first one, one sec
[03:19] <stuNNed> bob2: the second and third you mention are the same as the first?
[03:19] <bob2> stuNNed: nope
[03:19] <bob2> stuNNed: er, "set use_from", not userfrom
[03:19] <Shinitenshi> :P
[03:19] <Shinitenshi> i used unzip
[03:19] <Shinitenshi> and nothing happend
[03:19] <stuNNed> bob2: let me check my master Muttrc one sec
[03:20] <bob2> stuNNed: just set it in ~/.mutt/muttrc
[03:20] <Shinitenshi> wait a sec
[03:20] <Shinitenshi> i got a buch of files now lol
[03:20] <Leviathan_> bob2: anything you know of that would cause an invalid module format, preventing ndiswrapper from being inserted from the command modprobe ndiswrapper?
[03:21] <Shinitenshi> bob2: what do i need to install it
[03:21] <Shinitenshi> i installed ndiswrapper yesterday
[03:21] <randabis> Leviathan_, you might not be using the right driver
[03:21] <Shinitenshi> but the guy got off b4 i installed the actuall thing
[03:21] <bob2> Leviathan_: building the module wrong
[03:21] <stuNNed> bob2: set use_from should be 'yes' right?
[03:21] <bob2> Shinitenshi: no idea
[03:21] <bob2> stuNNed: yes
[03:21] <bob2> Leviathan_: you are using the one from the binary ubuntu package, right?
[03:21] <Leviathan_> should I reinstall the package, then? the utils one, that is?
[03:22] <Shinitenshi> does x-chat log its chats?
[03:22] <bob2> no, it has nothing to do with the utils package
[03:22] <Leviathan_> "you are using the one" by one you mean driver or package
[03:22] <stuNNed> bob2: and same with set envelope_from ?
[03:22] <bob2> stuNNed: from is the address you want mail to come from, envelop_from and use_from should be yes
[03:22] <stuNNed> bob2: got it, thanks, testing now
[03:22] <bob2> Leviathan_: ? are you using an ubuntu kernel and the ubuntu ndiswrapper module or not?
[03:23] <Leviathan_> yes and yes
[03:24] <Shinitenshi> hey if a folder has a little lock
[03:24] <Shinitenshi> why cant i delete it
[03:24] <Shinitenshi> its pissing me off
[03:24] <Shinitenshi> lol
[03:24] <lavigj> Shinitenshi: because you don't have permissions on that folder
[03:24] <dhirsch> Heh, it is conversations like these that I'm glad ubuntu 'just works'.
[03:24] <goldfish> Shinitenshi: i think it;s because u dont own
[03:24] <redrum> can someone tell me how to get my pcmcia wireless card working?
[03:24] <goldfish> it
[03:24] <goldfish> Shinitenshi: try deleting it from a terminal as root
[03:24] <stuNNed> bob2: ah, i see, From: is blank for some odd reason
[03:25] <Shinitenshi> k
[03:25] <lavigj> has anyone here installed planeshift on ubuntu?
[03:25] <Shinitenshi> whats the command for delete
[03:25] <goldfish> Shinitenshi: rm file
[03:25] <dhirsch> Lav: isn't planeshift that open source mmorpg?
[03:25] <lavigj> Shinitenshi: rm, but if you don't know it as root, or the user who owns it, you still won't be able to
[03:25] <lavigj> dhirsch: yes.
[03:26] <Shinitenshi> lavigj: i downloaded it
[03:26] <Shinitenshi> but it wontl let me delete lol
[03:26] <goldfish> did u d/l using sudo ?
[03:26] <goldfish> n wait
[03:26] <lavigj> Shinitenshi: wierd. if you do ls -la on that folder, you will be able to see who owns it
[03:26] <goldfish> nm
[03:26] <Shinitenshi> wait am gona log out
[03:27] <lavigj> dhirsch: you've heard of it I assume?
[03:27] <occy> oops, forgot to add this to my laptop.
[03:27] <dhirsch> lavigj: I had it running under windows, yes.
[03:27] <occy> crimsun: you watching the Super Bowl?
[03:27] <stuNNed> bob2: from set from to work does it have to be in ~./mutt or can be /etc/Muttrc or?
[03:27] <lavigj> dhirsch: ah, ok. not under ubuntu though?
[03:27] <crimsun> occy: no, I'm at work.
[03:28] <dhirsch> lavigj: Heh, I barely got nethack working. I'm still quite new at this.
[03:28] <lavigj> dhirsch: ah, ok
[03:28] <bob2> stuNNed: there's no need to touch /etc/Muttrc at all, just modify ~/.muttrc
[03:28] <Shinitenshi> man this sux
[03:28] <Shinitenshi> i cant delete stuff
[03:28] <Shinitenshi> :(
[03:29] <stuNNed> bob2: k
[03:29] <lavigj> if I just install stuff that there's no package for in /opt, should I generally speaking be ok?
[03:29] <dhirsch> Shin: have you tried to sudo nautilis?
[03:29] <occy> crimsun: work???!!!
[03:29] <occy> crimsun: ;)
[03:29] <Shinitenshi> sudo nautilis?
[03:29] <Shinitenshi> no clue wha tthat is
[03:29] <Shinitenshi> lol
[03:29] <occy> crimsun: hey, is it a bad idea to use this with warty:  deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports main universe
[03:29] <dhirsch> Shin: checking the name
[03:30] <crimsun> occy: it's discouraged, but you own your own computer.
[03:30] <occy> crimsun: heh.  Welll, I don't want to hork my futur upgrades
[03:30] <Shinitenshi> dhirsch i just got this yesterday am total newb
[03:30] <crimsun> occy: the standard caveat is that the packages from ubuntu-bp are poorly versioned and will cause problems when dist-upgrading from Warty to Hoary.
[03:30] <occy> ahhh okies
[03:30] <lavigj> anyone have input on /opt?
[03:30] <occy> point taken then.  I'll stick with default stuffs ;)
[03:30] <occy> crimsun: danke buddy
[03:31] <crimsun> lavigj: /opt or /usr/local is fine
[03:31] <crimsun> occy: bitte
[03:31] <dhirsch> Shin: try sudo nautilus . You may be able to change the permissions through that.
[03:31] <lavigj> crimsun: ok
[03:31] <lavigj> crimsun: I am just pretty new to using software that didn't come in a package
[03:31] <dhirsch> By the way, is there some keyboard shortcut to put the dhirsch: into chat?
[03:31] <Shinitenshi> ahh
[03:31] <ubuntu-noob> hello all
[03:32] <goldfish> dhirsch: d + tab ?
[03:32] <pepsi> how do i get ubuntu to see my cdr?
[03:32] <dhirsch> goldfish, ooooo.. shiny!
[03:32] <goldfish> :)
[03:32] <Shinitenshi> whats the command for delete directry
[03:32] <crimsun> rmdir foo
[03:33] <goldfish> rm -rf
[03:33] <dhirsch> Shinitenshi, careful :x
[03:33] <crimsun> if you wish to delete files, too, then use rm
[03:33] <goldfish> if it is not empty use 'rm -rf name'
[03:33] <Shinitenshi> dhirsch: dude is a file i downloaded
[03:33] <ubuntu-noob> willing to help a ubuntu noob out with a mplayer/dvdrip install issue??
[03:33] <Shinitenshi> whote go away :(
[03:33] <dhirsch> Shinitenshi, oh. heh.
[03:33] <Shinitenshi> YES ITS GONE
[03:34] <dhirsch> wooo!
[03:34] <Shinitenshi> !!!
[03:34] <goldfish> cool stuff
[03:35] <ubuntu-noob> mplayer seems to fail on install cause of a .deb file that does not exist on the server
[03:35] <dhirsch> Ok, I can't find anything online about this. The installer asked what resolutions I wanted to make availible. Is there anyway I can go back and add more resolutions?
[03:35] <ubuntu-noob> if i can get dvdrip and mplayer installed...i would be exthatic with ubuntu
[03:36] <bob2> "ecstatic"
[03:36] <ubuntu-noob> bob2, ty..i am a horable speller
[03:36] <dhirsch> ubuntu-noob, have you checked the 'universe' package trees?>
[03:37] <bob2> no, neither of them are in universe
[03:37] <bob2> mplayer is in multiverse in hoary, but not in warty
[03:38] <stuNNed> and thank gawd galeon is in universe in hoary :D
[03:38] <ubuntu-noob> bob2, why is that??
[03:38] <Shinitenshi> dhirsch: do you know how to install drivers
[03:38] <ubuntu-noob> i have the multiverse in the repo list and it shows up
[03:38] <Shinitenshi> cuz a friend help me out yesterday but never finished
[03:38] <dhirsch> Shinitenshi, I got nvidia working... that is pretty much it
[03:39] <bob2> ubuntu-noob: because the mplayer authors are idiots
[03:39] <ubuntu-noob> bob2, lol
[03:39] <ubuntu-noob> ok...i can deal with that
[03:39] <ubuntu-noob> i have xine...and i am happier with that anyways
[03:39] <redrum> is setting up a wireless pcmcia card really that hard to do?
[03:40] <Shinitenshi> Any one know how to install drivers with ndiswrapper?
[03:40] <Shinitenshi> !
[03:40] <bur[n] er> redrum: no
[03:40] <redrum> can you assist?
[03:40] <bob2> redrum: no
[03:40] <bur[n] er> Shinitenshi: ndiswrapper.sf.net read it ;)
[03:40] <bob2> Shinitenshi: read the howto on the ubuntu website
[03:40] <bur[n] er> redrum: depends on the card
[03:40] <marcin_ant> ubuntu-noob: totem-xine is the only ubuntu application that can kill your x-session
[03:40] <syn-ack> One thing I wish was that it was Novell Open Office
[03:40] <dhirsch> bob2, hehe
[03:40] <redrum> an orinoco combo card
[03:40] <redrum> proxim
[03:41] <marcin_ant> ubuntu-noob: for me xine is awfully unstable
[03:41] <redrum> has a prism2 chipseti think
[03:41] <syn-ack> redrum: hermes
[03:41] <bur[n] er> redrum: if it's prism2, chances are it just works
[03:41] <syn-ack> I have one.
[03:41] <syn-ack> Im pissed that I cant get my cisco card to work in Linux 2.6.x though
[03:41] <ubuntu-noob> bob2, what about dvdrip...it fails on transcode cause i have libvorbis0a and it wants libvorbis0...what can i do about that??
[03:41] <bur[n] er> but yeah... listen to syn-ack... the orinoco card should be in the kernel source itself and idiot proof
[03:41] <redrum> well i have it plugged into the pcmcia slot,and it has power, but i don't know about anything else
[03:42] <redrum> on windoze, the 'network' led flashes even if it doesn't have a connection
[03:42] <ubuntu-noob> marcin_ant, i have used xine in gentoo, redhat, fedora and now ubuntu...it has never failed me :)
[03:42] <syn-ack> redrum: Thats because of NetBIOS overhead.
[03:42] <redrum> so i have to configure the card?
[03:43] <marcin_ant> ubuntu-noob: try with for example *.wmv files
[03:43] <syn-ack> I have one status light to let me know its on and then the RX/TX led
[03:43] <syn-ack> redrum: root@Laptop:~ # lsmod | grep hermes
[03:43] <syn-ack> hermes                  8448  2 orinoco_cs,orinoco
[03:43] <redrum> yeah on windows those would both flash at opposite times, to let you know it is 'searching' for networks
[03:43] <syn-ack> see?
[03:44] <redrum> nadda
[03:44] <ubuntu-noob> marcin_ant, i don't do wmv so have not run into that
[03:44] <Coutsos> hi
[03:44] <bur[n] er> redrum: know how to use "iwconfig" ??
[03:44] <syn-ack> redrum: you dont see something similar?
[03:44] <redrum> nothing there
[03:44] <redrum> no i dont
[03:44] <Coutsos> i was just wondering if there's any sort of fix or workaround for the "no installable kernel" bug
[03:44] <ubuntu-noob> marcin_ant, so haw can i get mplayer in warty??
[03:44] <marcin_ant> ubuntu-noob: I don't know
[03:44] <stuNNed> bob2: so far i'm happy with hoary (only been a few hours) ...seems it's a bit more stable than last time i tried it :D  probly only will update once a month or so though...
[03:45] <marcin_ant> ubuntu-noob: I use hoary
[03:45] <syn-ack> redrum: lsmod and flood it to a /msg for me, please.
[03:45] <ubuntu-noob> marcin_ant, how stable is hoary?/
[03:45] <redrum> typed iwconfig and there is something there...
[03:45] <marcin_ant> ubuntu-noob: for me it's... just stable
[03:45] <syn-ack> ubuntu-noob: You care a n00b, dont use it.
[03:45] <marcin_ant> ubuntu-noob: I cannot say that something is really unstable...
[03:45] <redrum> ath_pci                50724  0
[03:45] <redrum> wlan                  105564  2 ath_pci
[03:45] <redrum> ath_hal               129232  2 ath_pci
[03:45] <redrum> acpi                    5900  0
[03:45] <redrum> proc_intf               3968  0
[03:45] <redrum> freq_table              4356  1 acpi
[03:45] <redrum> cpufreq_userspace       5336  2
[03:45] <redrum> cpufreq_powersave       2048  0
[03:45] <redrum> ds                     17796  2
[03:45] <ubuntu-noob> syn-ack, huh??
[03:45] <syn-ack> aha
[03:46] <redrum> button                  6936  0
[03:46] <redrum> ac                      5132  0
[03:46] <redrum> battery                 9740  0
[03:46] <redrum> ipv6                  230020  8
[03:46] <redrum> af_packet              20872  2
[03:46] <redrum> yenta_socket           19328  1
[03:46] <syn-ack> redrum: I see what it is
[03:46] <redrum> pcmcia_core            63156  2 ds,yenta_socket
[03:46] <syn-ack> heh
[03:46] <redrum> eepro100               28300  0
[03:46] <aardvark> GNOME help needed
[03:46] <redrum> e100                   30208  0
[03:46] <redrum> mii                     4864  2 eepro100,e100
[03:46] <redrum> ohci1394               32004  0
[03:46] <marcin_ant> ubuntu-noob: sometimes when you have updates you cannot install everything - because dependencies are not meet
[03:46] <redrum> ehci_hcd               27780  0
[03:46] <cowbud> jesus coaster has like 234324324323 billion dependencies
[03:46] <syn-ack> redrum: /part
[03:46] <redrum> joydev                  9536  0
[03:46] <redrum> usbhid                 28864  0
[03:46] <redrum> ohci_hcd               19460  0
[03:46] <BajonBCN> hi there
[03:46] <redrum> usbcore               104292  5 ehci_hcd,usbhid,ohci_hcd
[03:46] <redrum> snd_intel8x0m          18632  2
[03:46] <redrum> snd_intel8x0           33068  3
[03:46] <cowbud> I hope it doesn't suck
[03:46] <marcin_ant> ubuntu-noob: but after few hours you can apt-get update
[03:46] <bur[n] er> oh man
[03:46] <redrum> snd_ac97_codec         59268  2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0
[03:46] <bur[n] er> stop already
[03:46] <redrum> snd_pcm_oss            48168  0
[03:46] <redrum> snd_mixer_oss          16640  4 snd_pcm_oss
[03:46] <redrum> snd_pcm                85540  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss
[03:46] <occy> eeek
[03:46] <cowbud> ohh my god
[03:46] <cowbud> kick
[03:46] <redrum> snd_timer              23172  1 snd_pcm
[03:46] <goldfish> oh dear
[03:46] <redrum> snd_page_alloc         11144  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
[03:46] <redrum> gameport                4736  1 snd_intel8x0
[03:46] <bur[n] er> ./kick redrum
[03:46] <stuNNed> kick this fuck
[03:46] <occy> daniels:  mdz?
[03:46] <redrum> snd_mpu401_uart         7296  1 snd_intel8x0
[03:46] <redrum> snd_rawmidi            23232  1 snd_mpu401_uart
[03:46] <redrum> snd_seq_device          7944  1 snd_rawmidi
[03:46] <Coutsos> maybe you could've used pastebin for that redrum?
[03:47] <redrum> snd                    50660  14 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[03:47] <ubuntu-noob> marcin_ant, few hours??
[03:47] <redrum> soundcore               9824  4 snd
[03:47] <syn-ack> ./kick redrum I SAID TO ME. :p
[03:47] <goldfish> lol
[03:47] <marcin_ant> marcin_ant: and then you can install everything
[03:47] <redrum> pci_hotplug            30640  0
[03:47] <redrum> intel_agp              20512  1
[03:47] <syn-ack> clear
[03:47] <redrum> agpgart                31784  1 intel_agp
[03:47] <redrum> md                     44744  0
[03:47] <redrum> dm_mod                 51068  1
[03:47] <redrum> capability              4872  0
[03:47] <redrum> commoncap               7168  1 capability
[03:47] <redrum> nvidia               4821428  12
[03:47] <redrum> parport_pc             32064  0
[03:47] <aardvark> redrum: is outta contttrol
[03:47] <odyssey> wow flood
[03:47] <redrum> lp                     10436  0
[03:47] <syn-ack> holy christ
[03:47] <redrum> parport
[03:47] <redrum> sbp2                   22408  0
[03:47] <occy> yeah, we need an op.
[03:47] <redrum> ieee1394              100536  2 ohci1394,sbp2
[03:47] <ubuntu-noob> lol
[03:47] <occy> crimsun: you here?
[03:47] <redrum> tsdev                   7168  0
[03:47] <marcin_ant> ubuntu-noob: so, in this way you can see that hoary is just work in progress :)
[03:47] <goldfish> he must have pasted his process list
[03:47] <redrum> evdev                   9088  1
[03:47] <Coutsos> God bless that "ignore" feature :D
[03:47] <redrum> ide_cd                 38276  0
[03:47] <goldfish> or something
[03:47] <occy> crimsun:  you an op?
[03:47] <redrum> mousedev               10124  1
[03:47] <redrum> psmouse                17800  0
[03:47] <redrum> sr_mod                 15780  0
[03:47] <dhirsch> Make it stop!
[03:47] <BajonBCN> does any of you know how to modify the iptables in order to have a better performance with amule?
[03:47] <redrum> scsi_mod              115148  2 sbp2,sr_mod
[03:47] <goldfish> u cant
[03:47] <redrum> cdrom                  35872  2 ide_cd,sr_mod
[03:47] <redrum> ext3                  109544  1
[03:47] <crimsun> occy: nope
[03:47] <marcin_ant> can someone make this redrum shut up?
[03:47] <redrum> jbd                    54552  1 ext3
[03:47] <goldfish> he already pasted it
[03:47] <syn-ack> redrum: PART THE CHANNEL
[03:47] <redrum> ide_generic             1664  0
[03:48] <redrum> piix                   12576  1
[03:48] <redrum> ide_disk               16768  3
[03:48] <goldfish> it will show up instant on his screen
[03:48] <redrum> ide_core              125272  4 ide_cd,ide_generic,piix,ide_disk
[03:48] <redrum> unix                   25904  858
[03:48] <syn-ack> redrum: PART NOW
[03:48] <redrum> fan                     4236  0
[03:48] <goldfish> but take a while for us to get it
[03:48] <redrum> thermal                13200  0
[03:48] <occy> crimsun: hmmm want me to try and get Lilo?
[03:48] <redrum> processor              17712  2 acpi,thermal
[03:48] <redrum> font                    8576  0
[03:48] <redrum> vesafb                  6688  0
[03:48] <redrum> cfbcopyarea             3968  1 vesafb
[03:48] <redrum> cfbimgblt               3200  1 vesafb
[03:48] <redrum> cfbfillrect             3712  1 vesafb
[03:48] <redrum> meant to /msg it to syn-ack
[03:48] <redrum> apologies
[03:48] <goldfish> redrum: u did
[03:48] <cowbud> you shold have left the channel
[03:48] <cowbud> jesus
[03:48] <ubuntu-noob> marcin_ant, do you know if dvdrip can be installed on huray??
[03:48] <aardvark> hahaha
[03:48] <goldfish> redrum: /msg only does a couple of lines
[03:48] <goldfish> use /query
[03:48] <goldfish> oh
[03:49] <goldfish> gone
[03:49] <cowbud> ubuntu-noob: install it from the nerim sources..
[03:49] <occy> lilo: he's gone now buddy
[03:49] <lilo> whoops
[03:49] <lilo> sorry about that
[03:49] <occy> hehe
[03:49] <lilo> info on him?
[03:49] <aardvark> les dudes
[03:49] <aardvark> help with GNOME
[03:49] <occy> redrum <-- that was his nick.
[03:49] <aardvark> yes
[03:49] <marcin_ant> ubuntu-noob: yes it can
[03:49] <ubuntu-noob> cowbud, on warty?
[03:49] <syn-ack> lilo: I wanted him to  flood something to me
[03:49] <dhirsch> Is there any way to add more availible screen resolutions?
[03:49] <syn-ack> he obviously didnt know how to
[03:49] <cowbud> ubuntu-noob: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[03:50] <lilo> whelp, it's worth remembering sometimes these things are just inexperience
[03:50] <syn-ack> lilo: it was.
[03:50] <syn-ack> Nothing more.
[03:50] <ubuntu-noob> cowbud, ty..will give it a shot :)
[03:50] <cowbud> lilo: sure, but that doesn't make it less annoying
[03:50] <Leviathan_> Alright, ndiswrapper was installed, the driver installation seemed to go without a hitch, yet it wouldn't connect to the network.  I had to restart, and when I reloaded Ubuntu, there were 7 errors from loading ndiswrapper, all of them the same - all about packet filters.
[03:50] <lilo> syn-ack: well, we all start out there 8)
[03:50] <[Spooky] > is it free to change on the wiki if i notice something ?
[03:50] <syn-ack> lilo: Thats why I told him to ./part
[03:50] <lilo> cowbud: sure enough....but pass on the slack 8)
[03:50] <syn-ack> he /quit
[03:50] <lilo> syn-ack: whoops 8(
[03:50] <lilo> erm whoops 8)
[03:51] <Leviathan_> Anyone have a clue about what's going on?
[03:51] <syn-ack> lilo: Im talking to him now, and invited him back
[03:51] <syn-ack> redrum: do you have "wireless-tools" installed?
[03:51] <syn-ack> Can you use iwconfig?
[03:52] <redrum> i don't think so
[03:52] <redrum> i can use iwconfig
[03:52] <syn-ack> then you have it installed.
[03:52] <ubuntu-noob> cowbud, Depends: transcode but it is not going to be installed
[03:52] <redrum> ok
[03:52] <Shinitenshi> hey
[03:52] <Shinitenshi> is there a way to be in the / folder
[03:52] <syn-ack> You have a prism2 chipset, your wifi card is ath0
[03:52] <Leviathan_> repeat: Alright, ndiswrapper was installed, the driver installation seemed to go without a hitch, yet it wouldn't connect to the network.  I had to restart, and when I reloaded Ubuntu, there were 7 errors from loading ndiswrapper, all of them the same - all about packet filters.
[03:52] <syn-ack> redrum: man iwconfig
[03:53] <Shinitenshi> is there a way to get to main folder "/"
[03:53] <syn-ack> Shinitenshi: with cd?
[03:53] <syn-ack> thats what I use.
[03:53] <rempresent> Alright, I would like to use something else other than mplayer to play my media files in mozilla
[03:53] <bur[n] er> as a side note Shinitenshi... / is known as root
[03:53] <syn-ack> Shinitenshi: and its called the root directory
[03:53] <Shinitenshi> ys
[03:53] <bur[n] er> rempresent: vlc?>
[03:53] <Shinitenshi> well how can i get there
[03:53] <syn-ack> or the root Filesystem
[03:54] <Leviathan_> :<
[03:54] <ubuntu-noob> cowbud, transcode fails on>> libavifile-0.7c102, libjasper-1.701-1, libquicktime1, libsdl1.2debian
[03:54] <syn-ack> Shinitenshi: You know how to use DOS?
[03:54] <[Spooky] > anyone ?? wiki is for each one to edit right ?
[03:54] <Shinitenshi>  thx guys
[03:54] <Shinitenshi> syn-ack
[03:54] <Shinitenshi> yes
[03:54] <Shinitenshi> terminal like dos
[03:54] <Shinitenshi> :)
[03:54] <Shinitenshi> cd = change dir
[03:54] <syn-ack> Shinitenshi: Then you know about cd.
[03:54] <Shinitenshi> stuff like that
[03:54] <redrum> ok i tried to set the essid but i got the following:   SET failed on device ath0 ; Operation not permitted.
[03:55] <Shinitenshi> ls list
[03:55] <Shinitenshi> that stuff?
[03:55] <bur[n] er> Shinitenshi: yes
[03:55] <syn-ack> redrum: were using sudo?
[03:55] <Leviathan_> bob2: you there?
[03:55] <syn-ack> or root, if you figured out how to set it up.
[03:55] <redrum> ah
[03:55] <redrum> not yet
[03:56] <redrum> ok i ran the command to set the essid
[03:56] <redrum> with sudo, and i didn't get an error
[03:56] <bur[n] er> redrum: after iwconfig is set... use dhclient to get an ip
[03:56] <bur[n] er> sudo dhclient wlan0
[03:56] <syn-ack> no
[03:56] <FAST> okay.... are there any samba experts in here?
[03:56] <syn-ack> ath0
[03:57] <cowbud> ubuntu-noob: on hoary?
[03:57] <bur[n] er> FAST: just ask the question ;)
[03:57] <syn-ack> Atheros driver, not Prism, sorry.
[03:57] <goldfish> Woohoo! My wireless works now!
[03:57] <redrum> damn it worked
[03:57] <Leviathan_> Mine still is in the shits.
[03:57] <syn-ack> redrum: I know. You're welcome.
[03:57] <FAST> I tested a share folder and got it to work fine. then i changed the path to  /media/sda1/folder which is on an external firewire fat32 hard drive; now when i try to access it, i can't
[03:57] <Leviathan_> Anyone: a clue why ndiswrapper on startup would be producing 7 errors about packet filtering?
[03:58] <syn-ack> redrum: now, man /etc/network/interfaces
[03:58] <syn-ack> no
[03:58] <syn-ack> man interfaces
[03:58] <syn-ack> ewps
[03:58] <ubuntu-noob> cowbud, no, warty
[03:58] <FAST> but using the test folder with path set to   /home/name/folder , it worked fine
[03:58] <FAST> in smb.conf
[03:58] <rempresent> burner:   sorry, I was AFK, yeah how can i get the plugin for that
[03:59] <ubuntu-noob> guess i will get horay :)
[03:59] <syn-ack> ubuntu-noob: I wouldnt.
[03:59] <ubuntu-noob> syn-ack, why?/
[03:59] <syn-ack> I know what Im doing, I know how to fix something if its unstable and breaks, you dont.
[03:59] <bur[n] er> apt-get install mozill-plugin-vlc
[04:00] <syn-ack> or are you not a n00b to Debian and/or Linux
[04:00] <ubuntu-noob> if warty can't install the packages i want, then why should i stay with it
[04:00] <syn-ack> ubuntu-noob: thats what backports are for.
[04:00] <syn-ack> or even apt-pinning.
[04:00] <Shinitenshi> can some one help me out on somehting?
[06:09] (ficusplanet/#ubuntu) Shinitenshi, First, install ndiswrapper-utils with apt-get or synaptic.
[06:09] <pepsi> i guess i upgraded the kernel recently.. a few weeks ago i guess
[06:09] <Shinitenshi> ficusplanet, its installed
[06:09] <Shinitenshi> just need the drivers
[06:10] <ficusplanet> Oh, OK. ftp://202.65.194.18/cn/wlan/rtl8180l/ndis5x-8180(170).zip
[06:10] <ficusplanet> Shinitenshi, Download that and then run sudo ndiswrapper -i on the inf file that is in the WinXP folder of that zip.  OK?
[06:11] <Shinitenshi> ill try
[06:11] <heliolith> After using Synaptic to DL a bunch of Educational Software, what's the fastest way to find the executables to create quicklaunch menus?
[06:11] <Shinitenshi> ficusplanet, band url
[06:11] <ficusplanet> heliolith, In synaptic, you can right click on the packages that are installed and go to properties.  One of the tabs is installed files.  Look there.
[06:11] <ficusplanet> Shinitenshi, Try this one: http://web.belkin.com/support/download/downloaddetails.asp?file_id=1431
[06:12] <heliolith> Yah ficusplanet that's a lifesaver
[06:12] <heliolith> thanks
[06:12] <Shinitenshi> ficusplanet, i tried getting it yesterday but iwas a bad url, so i got the exe from the belkin site
[06:13] <Shinitenshi> ficusplanet, i downloaded the windows driver yesterday its in my home dir, its just the version 2 instead of the 3rd
[06:13] <ficusplanet> Shinitenshi, OK.  I'll post the realtek drivers on my server.  Just a sec.
[06:13] <Shinitenshi> ficusplanet, thx
[06:13] <Shinitenshi> ficusplanet, that driver is for ver 3 my card is ver 2
[06:14] <Shinitenshi> so i don it it gona work
[06:14] <heliolith> ok gcompris I see in 3 different paths: /usr/games/gcompris, usr/lib/menu/gcompris and /usr/share/doc/gcompris which one do you think is the executable?
[06:14] <ficusplanet> OK, What is the chipset on your card?
[06:14] <crimsun> heliolith: first
[06:14] <heliolith> ty crimsun
[06:15] <Shinitenshi>  "belklin 802.11b f5d6020 ver 2"
[06:15] <ficusplanet> Shinitenshi, That's the card and the model number, but if you run lspci you should be able to get a chipset, too.
[06:15] <Stew2> http://www.pastebin.com/238681 Is my Xorg.0.log. I can get XFREE86 working with hoary, but not Xorg.
[06:15] <Shinitenshi> linux newb so...
[06:16] <Shinitenshi> installed it yesterday
[06:16] <Shinitenshi> first time linux user
[06:16] <Stew2> Now I've got Xchat running, I can actually use IRC... IRSSI was a 'little' difficutl.
[06:16] <ficusplanet> Shinitenshi, It's no problem.  Just run lspci in a terminal and then look for the section that refers to your wireless card.
[06:16] <Shinitenshi> ok
[06:16] <josh_> hsi
[06:17] <josh_> hi
[06:17] <pepsi> ficusplanet: what if i run /dev/MAKEDEV
[06:17] <pepsi> ?
[06:17] <dud> MAKEDEV is 2.4 kernel type...
[06:17] <pepsi> hrm
[06:17] <Shinitenshi> 0000:02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82801CAM (ICH3) PRO/100 VE (LOM) E
[06:17] <Shinitenshi> is it that?
[06:17] <ficusplanet> pepsi, When you boot the computer the hotplug script should create devices.  If the device file is not there it is a problem.
[06:17] <Shinitenshi> cuz am using my onboard net card
[06:17] <Shinitenshi> but i wana use my wireless
[06:17] <pussfeller> well my camera is not in /media
[06:18] <ficusplanet> Shinitenshi, I don't think so.  I expect it will mention belkin
[06:18] <Shinitenshi> k
[06:18] <pussfeller> but its in dmesg as a scsi
[06:18] <quiet> how would I add debian repositories so that I can install xmms, amarok, and the like?
[06:18] <josh_> im new and have a question about installing drivers for an ati card. Is this the correct channel?
[06:19] <ficusplanet> Shinitenshi, That output may also contain rtl8180 somewhere.  If you having trouble, you can just post the output somewhere and I'll look through it.
[06:19] <goldfish> quiet: www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:19] <Shinitenshi> well its not there
[06:19] <Shinitenshi> do i need to boot with it on
[06:19] <Shinitenshi> cuz i just put it in
[06:19] <glyf> josh_: do you use a DVI connector, perchance?
[06:19] <quiet> goldfish, thanks
[06:19] <goldfish> quiet: one of the first things there tells u how o add them
[06:19] <goldfish> np
[06:19] <rajasun> deb http://rarewares.soniccompression.com/debian/packages/unstable ./
[06:19] <ficusplanet> Shinitenshi, Could you post or email the output of lspci to me?
[06:19] <josh_> well like i said im verry new to linux and i have no idea
[06:19] <gza> I should be able to install ubuntu from the gnoppix 0.9.90 livecd, correct?
[06:20] <Shinitenshi> email would be best
[06:20] <Shinitenshi> whats your email
[06:20] <ficusplanet> brad at nearwildheaven.com
[06:20] <Shinitenshi> k
[06:20] <dud> sort of a nice domain...
[06:21] <ficusplanet> rem song
[06:21] <Dreamer3> *scratches head*ok
[06:21] <Dreamer3> ok
[06:21] <gza> almost heaven is a cure song
[06:21] <Dreamer3> should i do an expert install to avoid trashing my existing setup?
[06:21] <josh_> glyf: i downloaded the correct driver but i have no idea how to use apt and cant figure out how to install it
[06:21] <dud> close to heaven is a cure song
[06:21] <Shinitenshi> ficusplanet, ok check your mail
[06:22] <crimsun> Stew2: please post a successful /var/log/XFree86.0.log, too
[06:22] <dud> i mean, just like heaven hehe
[06:22] <Shinitenshi> ficusplanet, brb
[06:22] <gza> dud, I stand corrected ;)
[06:22] <dud> the cure is my life.... <3
[06:22] <dud> close to me/just like heaven
[06:22] <gza> do you dress up to go to their concerts?
[06:22] <quiet> goldfish, all I need to do is uncomment those 2 lines for universal repos?
[06:23] <dud> nah, i have my own mind....
[06:23] <Mantle> since there is no ndiswrapper module in warty live cd, is it possible for me to compile it on another system and load it from a usb key every time i boot into ubuntu?
[06:23] <pussfeller> whats the command to manually mount a usb device
[06:23] <dud> as opposed to all the goth monkies
[06:23] <goldfish> quiet: emmm no.
[06:24] <pussfeller> mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/camera?
[06:24] <goldfish> quiet: replace the top part with what they tell you to
[06:24] <goldfish> quiet: sorry im only new to this myself
[06:24] <Dreamer3> bad idea to share /boot between two distros?
[06:24] <pepsi> ficusplanet: found this in /var/log/dmesg: hdc: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-107D, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[06:24] <goldfish> quiet: i just copied what they had and pasted into that file, starting were it says to
[06:25] <Stew2> crimsun Oh, sure. I was just working on my XP box. Back now...
[06:25] <quiet> okay thanks
[06:25] <ficusplanet> pepsi, Is there a device at /dev/hdc?
[06:25] <pepsi> no
[06:25] <Dreamer3> crimsun: should i just use my debian grub to boot ubuntu or let it install grub on the boot sector of the partition i give it?
[06:25] <bzbb> this is thouroughly odd
[06:25] <heliolith> what am I doing wrong?  I'm in applications:///Accessories and I'm trying to create a quicklauncher but everytime i click ok, nohting appears!
[06:26] <pepsi> theres a physical device, but no /dev/hdc file
[06:26] <bzbb> firefox won't start, any application that runs it dies
[06:26] <steve_> ficus, it sucks to have to rebuild my system
[06:26] <bzbb> hangs
[06:26] <heliolith> I simply want to add a link to an executable in my menu system
[06:26] <ficusplanet> steve_, Why do you have to?
[06:26] <bzbb> if I do a ps -A it hangs, presumably right before listing firefox
[06:26] <bzbb> and a killall firefox hangs as well
[06:26] <crimsun> Dreamer3: either, though you shouldn't have to install grub a second time.
[06:26] <bzbb> what is going on?
[06:27] <Stew2> http://www.pastebin.com/238681 unsuccessfull XORG with hoary, http://www.pastebin.com/238688 successfull XFREE86!
[06:27] <gza> dud, yeah I once saw a whole bunch of goths going to a Cure concert like that, I mean I like some of their songs but it's a concert not a costume ball. :)
[06:27] <dud> tried killall -9 firefox bzbb?
[06:27] <steve_> I had to mess up was not broke. I decided to upgrade to Hoary
[06:27] <bzbb> dud, yup, it hangs
[06:27] <steve_> my system worked fine
[06:27] <steve_> until then
[06:27] <gza> killall firefox-bin
[06:27] <Dreamer3> crimsun: so you so install no boot loader and modify my debian bootloader to do it... ?
[06:27] <steve_> I put warty back on
[06:27] <Dreamer3> 2nd so=say
[06:27] <ficusplanet> steve_, Yeah, upgrading to a development can be tricky.
[06:27] <steve_> I wont do that again
[06:27] <bzbb> gza, hang
[06:27] <Dreamer3> crimsun: debian is permanent, ubuntu is on trial (for now)
[06:28] <crimsun> Dreamer3: makes sense to add the entry into your permanent bootloader's config, no?
[06:28] <bzbb> I can't even ctrl-c the hung killall
[06:29] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ok :)
[06:29] <Stew2> crimsun any ideas?
[06:30] <crimsun> Stew2: certainly. With X.Org, your monitor's hsync and vrefresh ranges are being ignored.
[06:31] <crimsun> Stew2: note the 30-70 vs. 28-33 and the 50-100 vs. 43-72
[06:31] <crimsun> Stew2: that should get you started.
[06:31] <pepsi> ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
[06:31] <pepsi> oopsies
[06:32] <Stew2> crimsun I'm still at "huh?"
[06:32] <Stew2> crimsun Is that a problem with the xorg.conf or ?
[06:33] <crimsun> Stew2: no way for me to tell unless you post your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:33] <Dreamer3> everyone wish me luck
[06:33] <crimsun> break a leg
[06:33] <Dreamer3> if my debian install gets borked i'll kill ubuntu :)
[06:34] <Stew2> crimsun. Ok
[06:34] <crimsun> keep a knoppix cd on hand, then.
[06:34] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i can boot ubuntu and chroot into debian, no? :)
[06:34] <Dreamer3> crimsun: even with the install cd, no?
[06:34] <crimsun> Dreamer3: haven't tried with the install cd
[06:34] <Dreamer3> ok
[06:34] <Dreamer3> toodles
[06:34] <Dreamer3> AFK
[06:35] <Stew2> This is my Xorg.conf http://www.pastebin.com/238689
[06:35] <Stew2> I've edited out the 1024x768 by 16 and 24 bit colors, just to see if I could get it working. It didn't help :(
[06:36] <crimsun> you need to explicitly tell X.Org the ranges in Section "Monitor"
[06:37] <Stew2> crimsun hot dog!
[06:38] <Stew2> Crimsun What would that look like? All I have is Monitor "Compaq MV700" and Option "DPMS"
[06:38] <Stew2> Crimsun DO I look at my XF86Config-4 for help?
[06:39] <Stew2> Crimsun I know what the values are, I think I don't know the syntax.
[06:39] <crimsun> HorizSync 30-70
[06:39] <crimsun> VertRefresh 50-100
[06:39] <sig_ubuntu> how do I install a .deb file?
[06:39] <Stew2> crimsun No quotes or anything? Wow.
[06:40] <crimsun> sig_ubuntu: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[06:40] <Stew2> Crimsun Why do you think it's not working? The monitor, or video card?
[06:40] <josh_> i just downloaded an ati driver but i am new to linux and have no idea how to install it. can anyone help?
[06:40] <crimsun> Stew2: conffile or X.Org driver.
[06:41] <crimsun> Stew2: should work after you place those two lines in Section "Monitor"
[06:41] <heliolith> is it possible that changelog.gz is an application?
[06:41] <crimsun> heliolith: in 99.99% cases, no.
[06:41] <heliolith> lol
[06:42] <semper> i need some help
[06:42] <Stew2> Crimsun, okay, I got to switch from Xfree to Xorg. BRB
[06:44] <semper> i installed ubuntu on a imac , and i want to install more software ,,,but, can i install any linux software ?
[06:46] <dud> just use apt-get to install software
[06:46] <dud> or synaptic if you want a gui application
[06:46] <semper> but, it must be just for a ppc architecture???
[06:47] <dud> thats taken care of automagically
[06:48] <josh_> so no help on installing a package i downloaded?
[06:49] <crimsun> josh_: are you using Warty or Hoary?
[06:49] <josh_> crimsun: warty i think
[06:49] <crimsun> josh_: ATI drivers are available by default; read the instructions at /wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:50] <josh_> crimsun: ok thanks ill try that
[06:50] <josh_> crimsun: where do i type that?
[06:50] <crimsun> josh_: in a web browser.
[06:50] <crimsun> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:51] <Stew2> crimsun Okay, I'm on my other computer.
[06:51] <josh_> crimsun: lol i just made the windows to linux jump and am very confused. thanks again
[06:51] <Stew2> Is there a log for APT-GET?
[06:52] <crimsun> Stew2: no, but there is one for aptitude: /var/log/aptitude
[06:52] <crimsun> Stew2: hence why I highly recommend aptitude.
[06:52] <semper> so can i?
[06:53] <Stew2> crimsun Well, I know that apt-get removed ubuntu-desktop and xorg, and added xfree86 (I'm running hoary). Any idea what to run to reverse that? And then I'll start using aptitude..
[06:53] <steve_> hey ficus, do you remember when you gave me the net applet programs, do you still have the link
[06:54] <eskilo> which file defines what services start up?  i want to stop smbd from starting.
[06:54] <crimsun> Stew2: you need to reinstall xserver-xorg and ubuntu-desktop, though ubuntu-desktop is nonessential
[06:54] <ficusplanet> steve_, http://www.thecardinal1978.com/GNOME/debs/
[06:55] <steve_> thanks man, again a lifesaver
[06:55] <crimsun> eskilo: there's no file, there's a directory: /etc/rc2.d/
[06:55] <ficusplanet> steve_, np
[06:55] <steve_> just have one question ficus
[06:56] <eskilo> crimsun:  those files seem to just link to scripts in /etc/init..
[06:56] <eskilo> crimsun:  i see that there's a "samba".  but what file runs "samba start" on boot?
[06:56] <steve_> after i installed it last time, I could not route my ip correctly. could net applet have caused that
[06:57] <ficusplanet> steve_, not likely.  netapplet just calls a few commandline programs to set up an interface.
[06:57] <steve_> do you know what possibly could have done this
[06:58] <crimsun> eskilo: if the symlink exists in /etc/rc2.d/, it will be run.
[06:58] <crimsun> eskilo: you may wish to read up on the man pages for update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d
[06:58] <steve_> will it come up as the network manager after installed
[06:58] <Stew2> crimsun Okay, I launched Aptitude and got it working. It's running right now !
[06:58] <randabis-laptop> I don't see any info for this on the site...anyone know if it is possible to "preorder" hoary cds from shipit?
[07:00] <eskilo> crimsun:  so if any of those symlinks exist, some startup process will run them with "start" appended?
[07:01] <crimsun> eskilo: yup.
[07:01] <eskilo> crimsun:  thx
[07:02] <steve_> ficus, have you ever had any issues with the net applet
[07:02] <ficusplanet> steve_, Not really, but I use NetworkManager personally
[07:03] <eskilo> are there any text editors that can easily write and read over an ssh connection?  typing directly into vim over ip has weird lag issues.
[07:03] <steve_> you use network manager, not net applet?
[07:03] <eskilo> and mounting over the net seems insecure.
[07:03] <ficusplanet> steve_, Yeah, it's a little nicer but a little harder to set up.
[07:03] <lavigj> eskilo: nano seems to do ok
[07:03] <lavigj> eskilo: but I gotta go, later
[07:03] <steve_> maybe I will try that one instead this time
[07:04] <miho> hey
[07:04] <miho> can somebody help me out with kde?
[07:04] <heliolith> is firefox 1.0 not officially ubuntu supported still?
[07:04] <josh_> crimsun: well i tried there how too but it didnt work. i would like to go back and read it again,but when i rebooted i lost the address..
[07:04] <miho> I just installed it on my PC running Ubuntu.
[07:05] <miho> I need help setting up a taskbar for it.
[07:05] <crimsun> josh_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:07] <heliolith> anyone tell me the path to firefox 1.0 exectuable?  my shortcut link still points to the packaged 9.0
[07:08] <ficusplanet> heliolith, Just run which firefox
[07:08] <heliolith> run "which firefox"?
[07:08] <miho> so am I helpless? :P
[07:09] <Stew2> is there a linux/ubuntu client for DDNS?
[07:09] <pussfeller> ddclient
[07:09] <Stew2> pussfeller apt-get ddclient?
[07:10] <heliolith> ficusplanet it gives me /usr/bin/firefox which is a read me file
[07:10] <Stew2> crimsun Yeah, this Xorg is way faster than Xfree
[07:10] <ficusplanet> heliolith, How did you get a readme file named firefox into /usr/bin!?
[07:10] <heliolith> via synaptic i imagine
[07:11] <heliolith> I haven't messed around with firefox at all
[07:11] <pussfeller> sudo apt-get install ddclient
[07:11] <Stew2> pussfeller thanks
[07:11] <ficusplanet> heliolith, If you haven't messed around, then the file in /usr/bin/ is certainly the binary executable for firefox.
[07:11] <FAST> anyone have suggestions for me?  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14386
[07:11] <crimsun> Stew2: X.Org working for you?
[07:12] <heliolith> ficusplanet: when tell the shortcut to use that version, it says no such file or dir... oh well it's been a long day maybe i'm not thinking clearly anymore
[07:12] <Stew2> crimsun Yeah. I said it's a lot faster than xfree on this box too. A K6-2-400 Compaq Presario 2266. I've changed out the video, put 256 megs in. It's pretty much maxed out.
[07:12] <crimsun> excellent.
[07:13] <crimsun> off to bed, work again in a few hours.
[07:13] <heliolith> the real problem ficusplanet is that i wanted to be running version 1.0 but I see it's already been dl'ed via synaptic... yet firefox version that runs is .93...
[07:14] <eskilo> how can i make my smbd listen on both eths?  it's listning on eth0 but not eth1.
[07:15] <ficusplanet> heliolith, Did you install 1.0 on your own or through Synaptic?
[07:15] <heliolith> through synaptic
[07:17] <Stew2> crimsun This joint is jumping. X.org is working.
[07:17] <heliolith> ficusplanet this is one problem I don't seem to figure out from system to system... on my first ubuntu install I did it manually because I couldn't figure out how to do it right... by enabling universe in synaptic, it shows that the latest version is installed, but that's not the version that's running
[07:17] <heliolith> maybe I need to uninstall/reinstall it
[07:17] <ficusplanet> heliolith, Are you in warty?
[07:18] <heliolith> yes ficusplanet
[07:18] <ficusplanet> heliolith, Then I'm surprised that 1.0 is in Synaptic.  I didn't think it ever made it in.
[07:18] <heliolith> ficusplanet I've got universe enabled
[07:18] <heliolith> ficusplanet extra repositories
[07:18] <ironwolf> I have a synaptics pad, and firefox 1.0 on hoary, and since the last update, I can't left click on pictures that link to jpg files to open them on a webpage, but I can open them in a new tab or browser.  Anyone else seeing this?
[07:19] <heliolith> so I should stick with .93 and be happy then eh?
[07:19] <FAST> not a lot of people reading the forums, eh?   ...
[07:19] <heliolith> lol
[07:19] <ficusplanet> heliolith, I didn't think 1.0 was in universe even.
[07:19] <Stew2> ironwolf dunno.
[07:20] <heliolith> do you have universe enabled ficusplanet?
[07:20] <Stew2> heliolith It seems you need to add the backports repo
[07:20] <heliolith> ok well it's .99_1.0PR
[07:20] <glyph> how do you save your mixer levels in ubuntu so that they're properly restored at next boot?
[07:20] <Stew2> heliolith I did that for awhile with hoary.
[07:20] <Stew2> heliolith I did that for awhile with warty, I mean warty. Then I went to hoary.
[07:21] <ficusplanet> heliolith, Yes.  But I'm in hoary.
[07:21] <heliolith> stew2 I have backports working I think
[07:21] <heliolith> oh
[07:21] <ironwolf> Stew2: you running hoary and not seeing this?
[07:21] <Stew2> heliolith It should be running 1.0 then.
[07:21] <heliolith> well 2 more months until hoary for the rest of use eh?
[07:21] <Stew2> ironwolf I don't have a synaptics touchpad.
[07:21] <heliolith> yeah it should...
[07:22] <Stew2> ironwolf I haven't heard of that problem, but then again, it seems there's all sorts of little issues with hoary.
[07:22] <Dreamer3> ok
[07:22] <Stew2> ironwolf I've never had a painless install of it.
[07:22] <Dreamer3> i'm tring to boot ubuntu from my existing debian bootloader and i get "root not found" /dev/hda8... do i have to use the _weird_ naming convention and can anyone tell me what i need?
[07:23] <glyph> As I recall, in Debian, there was some way to tell the ALSA subsystem to save its mixer levels to a file, one that would be automatically read on next boot.  Right now my system seems to be resetting the mixer so that the soundcard is silent by default when I start the machine, and I have to manually adjust the "line" level every time I reboot
[07:24] <Dreamer3> and is it important to use the initrd bundled with ubuntu?
[07:24] <ironwolf> Stew2: mine was fairly painless until this.
[07:25] <ironwolf> Stew2: well, ok with the exception of the sed incident. ;)
[07:25] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[07:25] <Stew2> ironwolf see?
[07:25] <Dreamer3> do i need /dev/ide/bus0/... la la la?
[07:26] <Stew2> I don't have the spinning circle (animated) cursor since upgrading to hoary. Why is that?
[07:26] <Dreamer3> guess there are no people who understand the complicated stuff awake?
[07:26] <Dreamer3> *sighs*
[07:27] <sig_ubuntu> what command would I use to update packages if there are any?
[07:27] <sig_ubuntu> apt-get update?
[07:27] <Dreamer3> AFK
[07:27] <Stew2> sig_ubuntu or 'aptitude'
[07:28] <sig_ubuntu> what does aptitude do?
[07:28] <Stew2> sig_ubuntu Someone just told me about it. I used it before. It's an inteface for apt-get I think
[07:28] <Stew2> sig_ubuntu Synaptic is too, but if X isn't working, synaptic isn't going to work either :)
[07:29] <sig_ubuntu> I'm talking about a command I can run like 3 times a week to keep my system up to date
[07:29] <Stew2> I'm getting an error when GNOME fires up "No Volume control elements and/or devices found"
[07:29] <Stew2> Any ideas?
[07:29] <sig_ubuntu> like: apt-get update
[07:29] <Stew2> sig_ubuntu Automated?
[07:30] <sig_ubuntu> Stew2: no manually
[07:30] <Stew2> sig_ubuntu apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[07:31] <Stew2>  "No Volume control elements and/or devices found" Oh wait. I know. There's no sound card detected...
[07:31] <FAST> anyone have suggestions for me?  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14386 ???
[07:31] <heliolith> Is there a simple preference that determines what's visible in the smb://boxname over samba network?
[07:31] <sig_ubuntu> Stew2: thanks
[07:32] <_ShaMukO_> sig_ubuntu on aptitude type u to update the packages lists and g to get the updated packages
[07:33] <Stew2> Where do I edit grub to make it automatically pick Ubuntu after 3 seconds?
[07:34] <fabbione>  /boot/grub/menu.lst should
[07:34] <bitfoo> ## timeout sec
[07:34] <bitfoo> # Set a timeout, in SEC seconds, before automatically booting the default entry
[07:34] <bitfoo> # (normally the first entry defined).
[07:34] <bitfoo> timeout         3
[07:34] <heliolith> night all!
[07:35] <heliolith> thanks for the encouragement!
[07:35] <FAST> :\
[07:35] <|QuaD-_> any of you use thunderbird?
[07:35] <bitfoo> ;/
[07:35] <bitfoo> i do :O
[07:36] <Stew2> bitfoo thanks
[07:36] <|QuaD-_> do you have an imap account?
[07:36] <bitfoo> i do
[07:36] <|QuaD-_> can you have nested folders?
[07:36] <bitfoo> hmm
[07:37] <bitfoo> yes
[07:37] <bitfoo> right click - create subfolder
[07:37] <|QuaD-_> bitfoo: i am doing that... it isn't creating it
[07:37] <bitfoo> hmm
[07:37] <bitfoo> it did for me
[07:37] <bitfoo> maybe restart it :O
[07:38] <|QuaD-_> thats what i just did
[07:38] <|QuaD-_> as youwere probably typing it :)
[07:38] <Dreamer3> can anyone give me a correct kernel line to boot ubuntu from grub?
[07:38] <|QuaD-_> again... not creating it
[07:39] <Dreamer3> any of you could probably pull one from your /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[07:39] <bitfoo> oh heh
[07:40] <bitfoo> hmm
[07:40] <bitfoo> maybe its something on the imap end
[07:40] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[07:40] <|QuaD-_> maybe
[07:40] <|QuaD-_> also.... is there a way so that you can download to your computer and keep on the server?
[07:40] <|QuaD-_> is that what offline is?
[07:40] <|QuaD-_> (just switching all my accounts from pop to imap
[07:40] <|QuaD-_> )
[07:40] <randabis-laptop> Dreamer my line probably wouldn't work for you
[07:41] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: i'm looking for ideas, let me see :)
[07:41] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: i tried added a /dev/ide/host/crap/crap boot= and added the initrd, but i still get root cannot be found
[07:41] <bitfoo> yes quad there should be an option somewhere
[07:42] <bitfoo> lets you keep a copy on the server
[07:42] <bitfoo> think its somewhere in account settings
[07:42] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: i'm not wanting an exact line... just some examples to see what i need
[07:42] <randabis-laptop> kernel		/vmlinuz-2.6.10-2-386 root=/dev/hda3 ro quiet splash
[07:42] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: hmmmmmmm no initrd
[07:42] <randabis-laptop> I have initrd
[07:42] <randabis-laptop> it's a different line
[07:42] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: ok, which is?
[07:42] <randabis-laptop> initrd		/initrd.img-2.6.10-2-386
[07:43] <FAST> anyone want to try and solve my samba+firewire drive problems ? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14386
[07:43] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: any other lines?
[07:44] <randabis-laptop> title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-2-386
[07:44] <randabis-laptop> root		(hd0,0)
[07:44] <randabis-laptop> kernel		/vmlinuz-2.6.10-2-386 root=/dev/hda3 ro quiet splash
[07:44] <randabis-laptop> initrd		/initrd.img-2.6.10-2-386
[07:44] <randabis-laptop> savedefault
[07:44] <randabis-laptop> boot
[07:44] <randabis-laptop> sorry for the flood
[07:44] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: thanks
[07:44] <randabis-laptop> np
[07:44] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: i wonder if initrd just needed to beon a sep line intstead of in with the kernel
[07:45] <Dreamer3> wish me luck
[07:45] <randabis-laptop> good luck
[07:47] <|QuaD-_> bitfoo: brb... going to do a system restart
[07:49] <eskilo> is there any text editor i can use that can save and open files over ssh?
[07:49] <eskilo> but run on my machine of course.
[07:50] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: that did it :)
[07:50] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: initrd needed to be on sep line i guess
[07:50] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: i'm in the second half of the install now
[07:50] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: i'm not sure i like the kernel with everything as a module concept though :)
[07:51] <randabis-laptop> it makes the kernel smaller and speeds up boot time iirc
[07:51] <TheMuso> Dreamer3: Why not?
[07:51] <randabis-laptop> ubuntu boots faster than any other distro I've ever used
[07:51] <Dreamer3> TheMuso: now i need an initrd :)
[07:52] <randabis-laptop> it's almost as fast as xp or 2k
[07:52] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: hmmm... the modules still have to be loaded, how could it be that much faster?
[07:52] <TheMuso> randabis-laptop: You must have a really fast machine then.
[07:52] <Dreamer3> TheMuso: yeah, just what i was thinking
[07:52] <randabis-laptop> not really
[07:52] <TheMuso> XP still boots faster on my P4 2.4 box.
[07:52] <Dreamer3> TheMuso: i've never seen anything load as fast as XP
[07:53] <randabis-laptop> it even boots reasonably fast on this 450 mhz laptop
[07:53] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: have you made any speed tweaks?
[07:53] <randabis-laptop> no
[07:53] <TheMuso> randabis-laptop: Did you cut out a lot of what is loaded at boot time?
[07:53] <randabis-laptop> no
[07:53] <Dreamer3> i need to get a 686 kernel
[07:54] <froust> Can anyone tell me the best way to go about configuring alsa?
[07:54] <Dreamer3> froust: doesn't work OOTB?
[07:55] <randabis-laptop> probably alsa-utils
[07:55] <froust> I keep getting a "failure to construct test pipline" in the multimedia systems thing
[07:55] <Dreamer3> froust: hmmm, i dunno
[07:55] <Dreamer3> going on 8 minutes for the final half on the install
[07:55] <Dreamer3> i'm on openoffice
[07:56] <Dreamer3> more python packages than i've seen in my lifetime
[07:56] <randabis-laptop> yeah a lot of the base system uses python
[07:56] <chillywilly> this report sux0rz
[07:56] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: awwwwwwwwww, but integers are so cool
[07:57] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: so what's so fast about your system?
[07:57] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: i can already tell it's going to be lots faster on my laptop, but the first systems i installed it on i wasn't so sure
[07:58] <steve_> does anyone know where I can get network manager for ubuntu
[07:58] <randabis-laptop> this laptop is slow...it runs ubuntu pretty well though with xfce 4.2...mainly due to 224mb of ram
[07:58] <randabis-laptop> my main system runs circles around it hehe
[07:58] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: ah...
[07:58] <Dreamer3> setting up packages
[07:58] <FAST> anyone want to try and solve my samba+firewire drive problems ? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14386
[07:58] <Dreamer3> 11 minutes into 2nd half
[07:59] <froust> how do i run alsa-utils?
[07:59] <Dreamer3> TheMuso: you like the everything as a module approach?
[07:59] <steve_> anyone know where someone could find network manager
[07:59] <randabis-laptop> note: I didn't say ubuntu boots as fast as xp
[07:59] <Dreamer3> TheMuso: i'm already wonder how to tell it not to load modules i know i don't need
[07:59] <randabis-laptop> but it does boot faster than any other distro I've used
[08:00] <Dreamer3> i'm not used to a module list 5 miles long
[08:00] <Dreamer3> i'm used to like 10 items (if that)
[08:00] <randabis-laptop> hoary boots faster than warty too heh
[08:00] <Dreamer3> maybe this is the way of the future though
[08:01] <randabis-laptop> Dreamer3 well a lot of those modules are completely unnecessary...they are just there for compatibility
[08:01] <randabis-laptop> just take up space really
[08:01] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: yeah, and they're loaded, using memory?
[08:01] <randabis-laptop> but at least since they are modules you can remove them if you wish
[08:01] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: just stuff i'm not used to
[08:01] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: remove them how? not with rmmod one at a time
[08:02] <bitfoo> how does one upgrade to hoary after changing sources.list ? sudo apt-get upgrade or sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[08:02] <randabis-laptop> I'm not certain exactly...I just know it is possible...you would probably need to edit /etc/modules to make certain ones not load at startup
[08:02] <Dreamer3> if i disappear then X is starting and i'll be back in a bit :)
[08:02] <randabis-laptop> or the other modules config files in /etc
[08:03] <bitfoo> anyone anyone anyone :O
[08:03] <bestadvocate> how do you get xchat to be transparent
[08:03] <randabis-laptop> dist-upgrade would be best bitfoo
[08:03] <jason__> bitfoo: sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade
[08:03] <bitfoo> -f eh
[08:03] <bitfoo> ok here goes :|
[08:03] <Dreamer3> bitfoo: you're risking life and limb, good look
[08:04] <bitfoo> heh why :|
[08:04] <randabis-laptop> heh not really
[08:04] <Dreamer3> 17 minutes on 2nd half of install
[08:04] <randabis-laptop> hoary runs well, even in its active development state
[08:04] <Dreamer3> it comes with irssi?
[08:04] <Dreamer3> WOW
[08:04] <Dreamer3> i'm amazed
[08:04] <randabis-laptop> yeah
[08:04] <bitfoo> and away we gooooooooo
[08:04] <martygbv> Could anyone please help me setup my wireless networking card? I've exhausted Google and the forums.
[08:04] <randabis-laptop> hah
[08:04] <Dreamer3> how useful
[08:04] <Dreamer3> only worthwhile chat program
[08:05] <randabis-laptop> meh, i likes my xchat
[08:05] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: not for me :)
[08:05] <randabis-laptop> fair enough
[08:05] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: irssi works everywher e:)
[08:05] <randabis-laptop> yeah true enough
[08:05] <Dreamer3> ah, registering documentation, almost there :)
[08:05] <randabis-laptop> yeah shouldn't be much longer
[08:05] <Dreamer3> 4 ubuntu installs in one night, do i get an award?
[08:05] <randabis-laptop> haha
[08:06] <Dreamer3> and 1 expert install :)
[08:06] <randabis-laptop> now upgrade them all to hoary lolz
[08:06] <Dreamer3> with grub installed on a totally diff partition :)
[08:06] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: yeah, right... 2 were just test old pcs... things were really slow
[08:06] <randabis-laptop> hah
[08:06] <martygbv> It seems my card is recognized by Ubuntu, but I can't get a handle on my router.
[08:06] <Dreamer3> my mom's PC i'm finishing tomorrow (told it to download packages)...
[08:06] <jason__> bitfoo: you did apt-get update first right?
[08:06] <bitfoo> yes
[08:06] <Dreamer3> and my laptop i'm going to consider switching
[08:06] <jason__> ok
[08:06] <bitfoo> i think :|
[08:06] <jason__> :)
[08:06] <Dreamer3> if it makes me happiers than debian
[08:07] <Dreamer3> which is a big IF :)
[08:07] <bitfoo> i changed the sources a few hours ago so i think i updated
[08:07] <bitfoo> lol :|
[08:07] <jason__> well if there are like 500 packages
[08:07] <bitfoo> ctrl+c! abort!
[08:07] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: i need more than ubuntu-calendar :)
[08:07] <jason__> 'you did
[08:07] <randabis-laptop> haha
[08:07] <bitfoo> yeah there are heh
[08:07] <bitfoo> btw i just convinced someone to try ubuntu livecd
[08:07] <Dreamer3> the live cd felt slow and awkward to me... maybe i've just never used one... CD access was too slow
[08:07] <Dreamer3> ok
[08:07] <Dreamer3> to X!
[08:07] <Dreamer3> maybe
[08:07] <Dreamer3> AFK
[08:08] <Anubis> how do I add apps to my menu?
[08:09] <randabis-laptop> Anubis depends on version of ubuntu
[08:09] <Dreamer3> ok
[08:09] <Dreamer3> is there a way to tell it to try again on the monitor auto detection?
[08:09] <jason__> im thinking about preinstalling ubuntu on machines
[08:09] <Dreamer3> i'm only at 1024x768
[08:10] <jason__> pretty slick distro
[08:10] <randabis-laptop> Dreamer3, maybe dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:10] <null> ne 1 know whats the equivalent command in linux for traceroute in m$ ?
[08:11] <Dreamer3> hmmmm
[08:11] <jason__> traceroute?
[08:11] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: i don't think that's it
[08:11] <bitfoo> traceroute
[08:11] <bitfoo> lol
[08:11] <io> :>
[08:11] <null> hmm dont seem to find it
[08:11] <bitfoo> its tracert in windows i think and traceroute in linux
[08:11] <jason__> oh tracert
[08:11] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmm
[08:11] <Dreamer3> irssi doesn't detect screen resizing
[08:11] <bitfoo> oh maybe the other way
[08:11] <null> ahh kk
[08:11] <Dreamer3> ubuntu problem?
[08:11] <null> lol
[08:11] <Dreamer3> irssi setting?
[08:12] <bitfoo> lol :P
[08:12] <randabis-laptop> no idea
[08:12] <Dreamer3> if debian i could resize the window, detach the screen then reattach and irssi would figure it out
[08:12] <Dreamer3> *in
[08:12] <froust> exit
[08:12] <randabis-laptop> I don't use irssi so I dunno
[08:13] <arun> i am using gnoppix 0.8.2.2 that is ubuntu .4.10
[08:13] <Dreamer3> my first annoyance
[08:13] <randabis-laptop> probably some way to fix it
[08:14] <arun> i have installed telugu locale on the system and i am geting problem's with xkb that is it is saying that the keyboard layout is not configured proparly do you want to select x keyborad layout or gnome keyboard layout can any one help me to resolve this issue
[08:16] <Dreamer3> ok
[08:16] <Dreamer3> what were the thoughts for getting it to re-auto detect my monitor?
[08:22] <bitfoo> http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-10/
[08:22] <bitfoo> :O
[08:22] <Agrajag> timeline
[08:34] <gsuveg> how can i change fsck time ?
[08:34] <Dreamer3> ok
[08:34] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmmmm
[08:34] <gsuveg> now run fsck every 30 boot, this is short to me
[08:35] <Phoenix_vanity> gsuveg: tunefs ... or something like that
[08:35] <Dreamer3> gsuveg: good idea
[08:35] <gsuveg> Phoenix_vanity: yepp, i find it tune2fs
[08:35] <johns_> gsuveg: tune2fs -c max-mount-counts 50
[08:35] <johns_> or something like that
[08:35] <Phoenix_vanity> tune2fs
[08:36] <Phoenix_vanity> okay :)
[08:36] <gsuveg> thanks
[08:36] <Dreamer3> ok, ubuntu feels fast, but it could be because it's a base install :)
[08:36] <Phoenix_vanity> johns_: well, brain is still faster than "apropos"
[08:36] <gsuveg> im boot my notebook 2-4 times p. days
[08:36] <johns_> :)
[08:36] <froust> Anyone know why my eth0 could be disappearing?
[08:37] <Phoenix_vanity> gsuveg: or use reiserfs ;)
[08:37] <froust> it boots me off when it happens.
[08:37] <johns_> gsuveg: i guess you could tel tune2fs to check every x days
[08:37] <Dreamer3> things seem to load pretty quick without being prelinked, interesting
[08:38] <Dreamer3> hey
[08:38] <randabis-laptop> yeah
[08:38] <Dreamer3> where do i get a 2.6.10 kernel at?
[08:38] <froust> Anyone?
[08:38] <randabis-laptop> goes even faster with prelinking
[08:38] <randabis-laptop> Dreamer3 hoary :p
[08:38] <Dreamer3> i don't see it in my repository
[08:38] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: hmmmmmmmmm
[08:38] <Dreamer3> well, if it's not broken don't fix it then i suppose
[08:38] <gsuveg> Phoenix_vanity: ext3
[08:38] <randabis-laptop> warty froze with 2.6.8.1
[08:40] <randabis-laptop> you could probably roll your own 2.6.10 if you want to
[08:41] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: i'll live with 2.6.8.1 for now
[08:41] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: i'm wanting to evalute stock ubuntu against my tuned debian
[08:41] <Dreamer3> an i going to have to enable universe for most things?
[08:42] <Agrajag> yeah pretty much
[08:42] <randabis-laptop> you'll want universe yeah
[08:42] <Agrajag> and multiverse for nonfree
[08:42] <Dreamer3> no epiphany
[08:42] <Dreamer3> hmmm
[08:42] <Zotnix> Probably in universe
[08:42] <randabis-laptop> it'll give you debian sarge stuff
[08:42] <gsuveg> what gnome is now in hoary?
[08:42] <Zotnix> 2.9.90
[08:42] <randabis-laptop> 2.9.90
[08:42] <randabis-laptop> :)
[08:42] <randabis-laptop> poo
[08:43] <gsuveg> thanks
[08:43] <Zotnix> :-p
[08:43] <Dreamer3> i'm downloading a 686 kernel now, but darn does the 386 kernel feel fast
[08:44] <Dreamer3> too bad i'm giong to have to replace the stock xfree86
[08:44] <randabis-laptop> why?
[08:44] <Zotnix> Xorg is in hoary
[08:44] <Dreamer3> i this blue bakground looks bad in only 16-bit
[08:44] <Dreamer3> brown i mean
[08:44] <randabis-laptop> it looks bad at any bitrate imho
[08:45] <Angel66> i just installed ubuntu a few days ago and everything was going great but now it hardlocks on startup.  This was after a few apt-get upgrades.  Anyone else have issue and post a fix on msg boards?
[08:45] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: i use the xorg from freedesktop.net with custom DRI builds for DRI support on my savage :)
[08:45] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: they provide daily snapshots
[08:46] <randabis-laptop> hmm cool
[08:46] <Dreamer3> i mean this feels snappy, but it's not DRI... 75fps vs 400
[08:46] <randabis-laptop> yeah
[08:46] <Dreamer3> i really want to know what CFLAGS were used
[08:46] <Dreamer3> things feel VERY snappy
[08:47] <Dreamer3> i want to know if something is different or i'm just running nothing in the background that makes it so fast
[08:47] <randabis-laptop> I dunno, but the ubuntu devs rock lolz
[08:47] <randabis-laptop> hoary is even faster than warty imho
[08:51] <Orcrist> arglebargle... just spent an hour stripping and recompiling a kernel on a very old p2 box only to find out I selected the wrong ethernet module... I picked one for the isa version of the card lol
[08:51] <Dreamer3> things feel VERY snappy
[08:51] <Dreamer3> i want to know if something is different or i'm just running nothing in the background that makes it so fast
[08:52] <Orcrist> Angel, are you mixing warty and hoary packages?  bad idea
[08:52] <Orcrist> someone needs to put it in the topic:  If you're mixing hoary packages in with warty you, sir, are on your own
[08:55] <goldfish> will apt-get install mozilla-firefox not work?
[08:55] <goldfish> i was told to do that
[08:55] <goldfish> to get 1.0
[08:55] <Dreamer3> goldfish: ah, is the newer version availalbE?
[08:55] <goldfish> I think so.
[08:55] <randabis> backports is kinda :/
[08:55] <Dreamer3> goldfish: havne't gotten any updates yet... just downloading kernel now
[08:55] <goldfish> ah right
[08:55] <randabis> you'll have problems upgrading to hoary if you use backports
[08:55] <Dreamer3> goldfish: wanting to put this thru it's paces... decide if i want to keep it before i mess too much
[08:55] <Dreamer3> randabis: why? :)
[08:55] <goldfish> heh
[08:56] <randabis> Dreamer3, because the maintainer of the ubuntu backports project does not version his packages correctly
[08:56] <Dreamer3> randabis: that was my guess :)
[08:56] <randabis> why he doesn't follow the standards is beyond me
[08:56] <Dreamer3> randabis: and hoary just won't upgrade some of them, that's the problem?
[08:57] <Dreamer3> randabis: is 1.0 in warty?
[08:57] <randabis> 1.0 is not in warty
[08:57] <randabis> it's 1.0PR
[08:57] <randabis> or .99
[08:57] <Dreamer3> randabis: right now i have 0.93
[08:57] <gsuveg> .93
[08:57] <Dreamer3> before any updates
[08:59] <Dreamer3> how can i get a computer icon on my desktop?
[08:59] <Angel66> Orcrist: how can i tell?
[08:59] <Angel66> Orcrist: this is my first experience with a deb based system
[08:59] <gsuveg> Dreamer3: with gconf
[09:01] <Dreamer3> hmmmm
[09:01] <Dreamer3> weird
[09:02] <randabis> xfce4 is in universe
[09:02] <randabis> I like 4.2 better though
[09:02] <Dreamer3> randabis: yeah, i had 4.2 on debian
[09:02] <Dreamer3> but if gnome is this fast....
[09:04] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: so, get firefox direct from mozilla, not backports?
[09:04] <Dreamer3> hoary will be nice... i'm tired of fetching my software from all over the internet :)
[09:06] <Dreamer3> i hate how slow my internet is
[09:07] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[09:08] <guptan> how can I change gdm welcome screen display resolution?
[09:08] <Dreamer3> guptan: it should be the same as your X resolution
[09:08] <guptan> Dreamer3, it is not
[09:09] <Dreamer3> guptan: interesting
[09:09] <Dreamer3> guptan: never seen that
[09:09] <Dreamer3> guptan: but then i've only used gdm for 30 minutes :)
[09:09] <guptan> Dreamer3, same system I have fedora too, but ubuntu always having a higher resolution for GDM
[09:10] <guptan> Dreamer3, what is ur login manager then?
[09:10] <Dreamer3> guptan: interesting
[09:10] <Dreamer3> guptan: i never used one before :)
[09:10] <Dreamer3> guptan: good old startx
[09:10] <Orcrist> Angel66, did you change your repositories before you did the apt-get upgrades?  if you changed 'warty' to 'hoary' in your sources.list file, then you're mixing packages... if that's not the case you have a different problem
[09:10] <guptan> oh, im not that comfortable with startx
[09:11] <FAST> does anyone have suggestions for me?  fat32 external firewire hard drive and samba not being ableto access it : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14386
[09:11] <guptan> Dreamer3, sadly I have this problem in hoary too
[09:11] <Dreamer3> guptan: i'm sure it's something easy, but i haven't the foggiest
[09:12] <Dreamer3> guptan: so far ubuntu is working like a charm for me
[09:12] <guptan> I wish I had the same
[09:12] <Jimbob> FAST: what's the ownership/permissions on /media/sda1?
[09:12] <Dreamer3> guptan: wrong resolution doesn't sound like a deadly sin, especialy when it's too high :)
[09:13] <Dreamer3> guptan: i've heard much worse :)
[09:13] <FAST> Jimbob, 'mount' gives this: /dev/sda1 on /media/sda1 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,uid=1000,gid=1000)
[09:13] <FAST> somehow i need to remove that 'noexec' part !!  cant figure it out
[09:13] <guptan> Dreamer3, I know. But this one having a high resolution in wrong refresh rate, so kind of ill effect on me
[09:14] <Dreamer3> guptan: ah
[09:14] <Jimbob> FAST: Why do you need to remove that part?
[09:14] <Dreamer3> guptan: could try copying hte refresh lines from your working fedora to ubunut
[09:14] <Dreamer3> guptan: for XFree x.org config file
[09:14] <guptan> hmm I can give a try
[09:14] <FAST> Jimbob, could you look at the thread i made regarding my problem?  i need to allow execution for all users on the folder
[09:15] <newubuntu> is it possible to install ubuntu from the Hoary LiveCD? if so, how?
[09:15] <guptan> FAST, remove uid=xxxx
[09:15] <Orcrist> newubuntu... liveCD installs are not possible yet
[09:15] <FAST> guptan,  how?     the drive is automounted when plugged in(turned on)
[09:15] <Orcrist> the liveCD's are actually ubuntu-flavored morphix
[09:16] <newubuntu> ah, so the (currently) only way is with the warty install CD?
[09:17] <guptan> can u tell me how your /etc/fstab describes about /dev/sda1
[09:17] <guptan> newubuntu, i think hoary has a install cd
[09:17] <FAST> guptan, there is no entry for  /dev/sda1  in the fstab
[09:18] <guptan> FAST, then umount /dev/sda1 and mount it again manualy, or try adding an entry in /etc/fstab
[09:18] <FAST> what should the entry be for it in fstab  (umask, etc) ?
[09:18] <newubuntu> guptan, I couldn't find a Hoary install CD, only the LiveCD, I'll look again
[09:19] <guptan> FAST, /dev/sda1 /place/to/mount auto default 0 0, this should work, u can refer to manuals if u require more control over ur device
[09:20] <Angel66> Orcrist: i uncommented some stuff but never changed any lines. I think i am just going to have to reinstall :\
[09:20] <guptan> FAST, its always good to use uid=username for easy access
[09:21] <FAST> gup, could you look at the thread i made about this? the link is here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14386
[09:21] <FAST> guptan,
[09:21] <pepperpot> is there a package for gstreamer monkey audio?
[09:21] <guptan> newubuntu, see this link for hoary: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-4/
[09:21] <newubuntu> thanks, I can
[09:21] <newubuntu> er, can
[09:22] <newubuntu> argh! Can't find a hoary installer, I'll visit that url, thanks
[09:22] <Orcrist> Angel, you could always revert or uninstall those packages... unless they're really major
[09:22] <Angel66> how would i revert?
[09:23] <Angel66> if i was more familar with this package managment I am sure this would be second nature
[09:23] <Orcrist> to revert a package is a little tricker... because I'm pretty sure apt checks its cache and says 'sorry you ahve this super-new version'
[09:23] <Orcrist> so you'd have to get an older version, then force install it
[09:24] <crypticreign> a lot of my icons are gone, and my industrial theme is gone.. on hoary.. i just did an apt-get upgrade
[09:24] <Orcrist> which would probably break things worse
[09:25] <Angel66> well would take about 30 min to reinstall and i have no data on this machine at all
[09:25] <Orcrist> crypti, if you put your theme in ~/.themes then it'll still be there
[09:25] <Orcrist> lol you probably are better off just reinstalling then angel
[09:25] <Orcrist> at least you know that will work for sure :)
[09:25] <Angel66> i hope
[09:25] <crypticreign> Orcrist: these are the default gnoome desktop icons and the industrial theme that comes default that are gone
[09:25] <Angel66> i have been running gentoo on the machine
[09:25] <Orcrist> oh
[09:25] <Orcrist> strange
[09:25] <Angel66> but compiling and laptop just doesn't make me happy
[09:26] <Angel66> I first tried warty back when it came out but it locked during init
[09:26] <Angel66> so figured i would hold off till warty was out
[09:26] <|QuaD-> anyone have beagle workign on their machine?
[09:26] <guptan> FAST, try giving full access permission to everyone for that folder, use chmod
[09:26] <alka_trash> Hey all!
[09:26] <FAST> guptan, i've tried that before.  apparently chmod doesnt' work on fat32 drives???
[09:26] <FAST> i tried   sudo chmod a+x /media/sda1
[09:27] <FAST> nothing changed though
[09:27] <Orcrist> I don't think you can chmod a folder that's mounted noexec and have it work like that
[09:27] <guptan> FAST, yeah its true
[09:27] <Orcrist> I think it needs to be remounted
[09:27] <FAST> is there a way that i can change the settings for automounting the drive? that way i can remove the noexec part ?
[09:27] <guptan> FAST, add a manual entry to /etc/fstab
[09:28] <Orcrist> is it set up in fstab?
[09:28] <FAST> originally no entry in fstab
[09:28] <FAST> i let linux mount it automatically
[09:28] <alka_trash> Does anyone know how to edit menus in gnome with hoary ( gnome 2.9.9.0) ?  I use to know how to do it, but it's changed again.  :(
[09:28] <Orcrist> ahh, hotplug
[09:28] <FAST> yes, is there a way to change the hotplug settings for automounting it?
[09:28] <Orcrist> just try remounting it by hand then
[09:28] <Orcrist> I dunno... not that experienced with hotplug
[09:29] <JimSleep> FAST: hald is what's mounting it, not hotplug
[09:29] <tuananh> hi all, does anyone know how to install an downloaded deb package?
[09:29] <Orcrist> I imagine (like everything else) there's a config
[09:29] <FAST> hmmm
[09:29] <Orcrist> tuananh use dpkg -i packagename.deb
[09:29] <guptan> tuananh, use dpkg
[09:29] <alka_trash> tuananh: "dpkg -i package-name-deb" ( with root ) \
[09:29] <tuananh> ok thanks
[09:29] <tuananh> let me try
[09:29] <tuananh> I thought apt-get is the tool, hence could not figure out how
[09:30] <FAST> because i would like to leave the fstab without an entry for it. and have the hotplug business take care of automounting it with permissions for execution allowed.   (because i turn off/on the drive as i wish...)
[09:30] <alka_trash> okay now how does one edit gnome menus in 2.9.9.0  :)
[09:30] <Orcrist> lol apt can install things as well, but it's more of a repository/package tracking/searching/updating/installing tool
[09:30] <Orcrist> apt-get rather
[09:31] <JimSleep> FAST: AFAIK, if you manually add an entry for /dev/sda1 into fstab, it will mount it using that entry.
[09:31] <JimSleep> FAST: However, it must be the first scsi disk plugged in for that to work properly.
[09:31] <Orcrist> what's hald?
[09:32] <tuananh> Orcrist: I still don't understand what is the boundary between apt and dpkg
[09:32] <JimSleep> Orcrist: http://hal.freedesktop.org/
[09:32] <Orcrist> tuananh, they're different programs
[09:33] <FAST> JimSleep, it's an external firewire drive
[09:33] <JimSleep> Orcrist: apt is a frontend to dpkg that integrates it with the available package lists.
[09:33] <Orcrist> there are probably 5 different ways to install programs with debian... dpkg, dselect, apt, apt-get, aptitude, synaptic
[09:33] <JimSleep> FAST: Yeah, but the kernel treats it like a scsi device.
[09:33] <FAST> JimSleep, i have unmounted the drive, and the entry is now in /etc/fstab
[09:33] <guptan> tuananh, apt is a package manager, dpkg can be roughly described as package installer
[09:33] <Orcrist> apt/apt-get are dpkg extensions
[09:33] <FAST> how do i mount it now
[09:33] <FAST> ?
[09:33] <Orcrist> but can be run separately
[09:33] <Orcrist> yeah, waht jim said
[09:33] <JimSleep> FAST: "mount /media/sda1"
[09:33] <tuananh> isn't it confusing :)
[09:34] <JimSleep> tuananh: Have you used windows update before?
[09:34] <thoreauputic> tuananh: at first ;)
[09:34] <guptan> tuananh, compare it with windows installer and add remove programs
[09:34] <JimSleep> tuananh: apt is like the windows update website.
[09:34] <tuananh> yeah
[09:34] <tuananh> after so long now I found Ubuntu
[09:34] <Orcrist> tuananh, synaptic is a program that can handle just about all that... it's a frontend in your desktop... very nice
[09:34] <JimSleep> tuananh: dpkg is like the "InstallShield" thing that actually puts the software on your computer.
[09:35] <Orcrist> it uses the other programs to get to the same point with packages
[09:35] <newubuntu> guptan, thanks for the URL, downloading is almost finished, so I'll burn it and install, and hopefully be back as kumasan :)
[09:35] <FAST> JimSleep, '/dev/sda1 /media/sda1 auto default 0 0'  is in fstab, but i am getting mount error: "mount: you must specify the filesystem type"
[09:35] <tuananh> I have used Gentoo for a while but compiling to just too much ;)
[09:35] <JimSleep> Orcrist: Sorry, try http://hal.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fhal for what hald is/does
[09:36] <Orcrist> cool, thanks Jim
[09:36] <JimSleep> FAST: Umm, instead of "auto" try "vfat" and see if that works.
[09:36] <deathcrow> wondering what the command was to install apps i tried the ol debian style apt-get install bitchx but seems not to work anyone?
[09:36] <eskilo> night gang
[09:36] <Orcrist> oh, its' a hardware abstraction layer
[09:36] <Orcrist> d means it's a daemon then?
[09:36] <thoreauputic> deathcrow: try sudo apt-get install
[09:36] <guptan> FAST, make sure u mention udi=username when manualy mounting /dev/sda1
[09:36] <JimSleep> Orcrist: Yeah
[09:37] <guptan> uid=username*
[09:37] <deathcrow> E: Couldn't find package bitchx
[09:37] <FAST> JimSleep, okay i changed to vfat and tried to mount and got this: "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, or too many mounted file systems"
[09:37] <Jimbob> FAST: Hmm
[09:37] <FAST> guptan, can you type an example of how it should look?
[09:39] <guptan> make sure u have unmounted it, then #mount auto -o uid=username /dev/sda1 /mount/location
[09:39] <deathcrow> isnt there an apt search command to see if the ubuntu mirror has bitchx :/
[09:40] <FAST> guptan, that gave a screen of information about mount (not info/man)
[09:40] <FAST> usage info
[09:41] <goldfish> Emm... n00b question, I have installed ssh, but I want to get rid of it, how do i do this?
[09:41] <Jimbob> "mount -t auto -o uid=username /dev/sda1 /media/sda1" <-- the "-t" was missing.
[09:41] <FAST> ok that worked
[09:41] <guptan> oh im sorry
[09:41] <FAST> now i have to see if samba can see it
[09:41] <FAST> access
[09:42] <guptan> first check whether u can access or not ;)
[09:42] <Jimbob> goldfish: You can go into the "Package Manager" (synaptic), then use "Search" to find ssh, and remove the one with the green-box status icon.
[09:42] <goldfish> Jimbob: ok, thanks
[09:42] <steve_> I am adding a source to my list, what is the address for the marillet one
[09:42] <badflop> heyo
[09:42] <FAST> yes i can access it normally right now
[09:42] <Jimbob> (right-click->"Remove with configuration" or something aong those lines)
[09:42] <badflop> was is sup?
[09:43] <Jimbob> erm, "along"
[09:43] <badflop> check out my chatlog http://www.sexyandfunny.com/j13.shtml
[09:43] <steve_> Jimbob do you have it in your sourcelist
[09:44] <Jimbob> steve_: Nope, sorry
[09:44] <steve_> then what did you use to get the libdvdcss
[09:44] <Jimbob> I don't have a (working) DVD player on my box
[09:44] <Jimbob> http://debian.video.free.fr/
[09:44] <Jimbob> erm, "in", I should say
[09:45] <Jimbob> The sources are on that page, though (thx to google).
[09:45] <steve_> thanks, I will try
[09:45] <Jimbob> steve_: You probably want the "unstable"/"sid" sources.
[09:46] <steve_> is your source more stable jimbob
[09:46] <roop> Can anyone tell me how to get wxPython installed on Ubuntu?
[09:46] <Jimbob> steve_: "my source"?
[09:46] <steve_> debian.video
[09:46] <Jimbob> Oh, no, that page simply describes the actual sources
[09:47] <Jimbob> steve_: I mean that you should probably use the "unstable" sources listed on that page.
[09:47] <steve_> cool thanks
[09:48] <Jimbob> np
[09:49] <FAST> well.... now samba doesn't appear to be working at all....  cant even see my computer listed in the network
[09:49] <mojo__> hello. I just had a very strange problem.  My computer was freezing up, and would come back for short 'spurts' then freeze. It got pretty bad but I didn't want to lose data so I fought it until I could get a text console login and shut down.
[09:50] <jk_work> Does ubuntu support Arher
[09:50] <pestil> mojo__: that happens sometimes. if you wait enough time it will be responsive again. it happens especially in KDE
[09:50] <mojo__> I had some very strange error messages on the screen as it shut down, something about out of memroy? (I have a gig of ram and 1.5x that in swap!).  How can I get to my 'shutdown' log messages to investigate?
[09:50] <jk_work> Does ubuntu support Atheros wireless out of the box?
[09:50] <pestil> mojo__: In my experience, configuring swap file or adding RAM helps a bit
[09:50] <jk_work> Does it support Wacom Graphire tablets out of the box?
[09:51] <alka_trash> jk_work: mine, works, the only thing that I had to do is get the firmware
[09:51] <alka_trash> jk_work: what is the model of your wireless?
[09:51] <mojo__> How can I look at the log to know exactly what it was saying to me????  it is not in dmesg
[09:51] <pestil> mojo__: if you have that much ram, then somn' defintely is screwed there
[09:52] <roop> again re: wxPython - it's not listed under synaptic and the wxpython site itself doesn't have any ubuntu packages
[09:52] <mojo__> pestil: my point.  among all kinds of errors about (I think!) bad cached pages or something, it scrolled a message about firefox being out of memory???  I want to see that log.  It was all spewed to the main text console as I shut down
[09:53] <jk_work> alka_trash: Hmm. The machine is at home
[09:53] <jk_work> DWL-650, I think
[09:53] <pestil> mojo__: tbh, I'm not sure where ff log is. perhaps in .mozilla or in /var
[09:53] <jk_work> Anyway, it works with the madwifi driver, but with Debian,
[09:53] <jk_work> I have to build it myself.
[09:54] <robsta> when upgrading warty -> hoary (reiserfs) is there a way to convert the partition when it's mounted?
[09:54] <pestil> mojo__: did you have many tabs open at the moment, or had been running ff for a long time? what ff vresion do you have
[09:54] <mojo__> pestil: you got it wrong... not a Firefox log... SYSTEM log of shutdown messages, like dmesg has of boot-up messages.  Where is THAT file???
[09:54] <Jimbob> robsta: What is it partitioned under now, ext3?
[09:54] <robsta> Jimbob: reiserfs
[09:54] <FAST> anyone wanna guess why i cant see this computer in the smb:///  place now ?
[09:54] <mojo__> pestil: it is possible that ffox *caused* the problem. the ffox line in the messages caught my eye.  BUT... it is not a ffox log i'm talkin about.
[09:54] <Jimbob> robsta: So what needs to be converted?
[09:55] <Jimbob> robsta: It should "Just Work(tm)"
[09:55] <robsta> Jimbob: it told me about a backup block format change
[09:55] <alka_trash> jk_work: my bad,  I was talking about the wrong computer, anyhow I do have that card for my laptop and it work fine, with no extra firmware.  Have you tried to plug it in yet?
[09:55] <pestil> mojo__:  I cant tell you were that particular log is. I know that a standar place for logs is /var
[09:55] <Jimbob> robsta: Mmmm.
[09:56] <pestil> mojo__: perhaps subterrific or someone can help you here
[09:56] <mojo__> pestil: np.  I know it's prob. in /var just don't know which one.  Hoped someone did.
[09:56] <jk_work> alka_trash: Yeah, it works with sid and self-built driver/kernel
[09:56] <jk_work> Just wanted to know if Ubuntu prebuilt kernels would be
[09:56] <jk_work> enough for my needs.
[09:56] <mojo__> whois subterrific?
[09:56] <pestil> mojo__:  I've known of many adventures with ff as a memory hog, and have had several myself.
[09:56] <FAST> is there a part i can put in the entry of  fstab  where /dev/sda1 is that will allow read and execute access to all users
[09:56] <mojo__> nm.. i see in the userlist
[09:57] <mojo__> pestil: yeah, hog or no that behaviour is unacceptable
[09:57] <pestil> mojo__:  In my case, I can do it on demand after 30 tabs in each of firefox windows. But then again, my ram is little
[09:57] <alka_trash> I bet it'll work with ubuntu out of the box then, if not, then update to the latest hoary, or if your just wondering download a live cd.  I think that you can even download a live hoary cd :)
[09:57] <mojo__> freeze whole OS, music and all starts to 'stutter'... yeesh!
[09:58] <pestil> mojo__:  *technically*, the whole OS was not frozen. just the GUI part, most likely.
[09:58] <mojo__> pestil:  it is likeley that ffox caused the error... but the OS response to it... that sucked.  I thought I was overheating or some crap.
[09:58] <pestil> mojo__:  that's what most linux freaks will tell you.
[09:58] <mojo__> pestil:  nope, I (finally!) managed to get it to respond to alt-ctrl-F1 and log in.
[09:58] <alka_trash> jk_work: Yep I found it Hoary live tp://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/releases/hoary/array-4/hoary-live-i386.iso
[09:59] <alka_trash> jk_work: Yep I found it Hoary live ftp://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/releases/hoary/array-4/hoary-live-i386.iso
[09:59] <jk_work> alka_trash: tnx
[09:59] <pestil> mojo__:  yep, as I just said, only (yeah, only!) part frozen was the GUI part.
[09:59] <wezzer> when they release hoary?
[09:59] <Jimbob> mono__: If/when it happens the next time, run "top" to see what's sucking up all your memory, then you can kill that process with "killall <name>" or "kill <PID>"
[09:59] <mojo__> It took like 8 or 10 tries to log in 'cause it would freeze and not ask me for my pswd within 1 minute, and so (after 2-3 minutes) come back saying login unsuccessful, timeout after 60 sec.  Yeesh, it was a nightmare
[10:00] <mojo__> pestil:  once I got logged in, it took about 5 minutes to get it to let me type sudo shutdown -r now and ask for password.
[10:00] <alka_trash> wezzer Did they/
[10:00] <pestil> mojo__:  I've heard of people telling stories that when that happens to them, they just leave for a while (a person once said he left for four hours), and when you come back it should be more manageable
[10:00] <wezzer> they didn't, but when they _will_?
[10:00] <mojo__> pestil: when it FINALLY started shutting down, it crawled for a few minutes before dumping a BUNCH of messages about memory pages (swap or what I am not sure), and in amongst those some other messages.
[10:01] <alka_trash> wezzer I don't think that they did, these are just incremental snapshots they take when there are no showstoppers
[10:01] <alka_trash> ?
[10:01] <mojo__> pestil: That stuff finally started moving fast.  Among those messages was the ffox message... but still... I wanna see what the f*** that was all about.
[10:01] <FAST> is there a part i can put in the entry of  fstab  where /dev/sda1 is that will allow read and execute access to all users
[10:01] <pestil> mojo__:  yup, I've seen that. What the gurus end up telling me is to stop friggin relying on the GUI side of linux, and that CLI never crashes. go figure
[10:01] <Jimbob> FAST: What format is the disk in?
[10:02] <FAST> fat32
[10:02] <mojo__> Jimbob: If I could get to run top I would have danced a jig! I prayed the shutdown would work so I would not lose data.
[10:02] <pestil> FAST,  I got a line that works for me. don't use "auto" or "defaults", it won't work well. brb
[10:03] <pestil> mojo__:  the thing just got clogged. sh*t happens. but it will eventually resurrects. (if you have the patience)
[10:03] <mojo__> pestil: yeah, maybe so but I didn't wanna wait 4 hours.  I suffered it for a good half hour "waiting it out" before I got to trying a shutdown in earnest.  And that took at least a half hour more.
[10:04] <pestil> mojo__:  yeah, as I said, sh*t happens. Still, please go look for that log, definitely. At 1GB ram, I'd be just as concerned...
[10:04] <mojo__> pestil: well yeah "clogged"....   it's just the tech in me wants to dig for root cause.
[10:04] <FAST> pestil, instaed of 'default' for options, what should i put
[10:04] <pestil> mojo__:  were you under heavy ff usage? or heavy usage of another app?
[10:04] <pestil> FAST:  brb
[10:04] <FAST> ok
[10:05] <Jimbob> FAST: "defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=777,fmask=666" will allow anyone to read/write/delete to/from that disk.
[10:06] <mojo__> pestil: yes I was. like i said, ffox prob started the probl. but i want to understand it better and maybe know with more certainty.  What I do NOT want is to have it happen again.  If there's a preventative or a cure I want to find it.  If it's a bug I want to report it.  It's an unknown and I want to know it.
[10:06] <mojo__> bbiaw
[10:06] <newter> does any one know where I can find kernel-headers-2.6.10-2r kernel-headers-2.6.10-2-k7?  So I can upgrade my nvidia driver please.
[10:07] <jdub> newter: hoary includes the lastest nvidia driver
[10:07] <FAST> Jimbob, what do i change so that it allows  only  reading / execution
[10:07] <jdub> newter: (for future reference though, they're all 'linux-*' not 'kernel-*')
[10:08] <Jimbob> 777 -> 555, 666 -> 444
[10:08] <FAST> ok
[10:08] <newter> hoary uses 6629
[10:08] <Jimbob> Note that *nobody* will be able to write in that case, not even you.
[10:08] <Caleb^> hi all
[10:08] <Alessio> I have some problem with
[10:08] <Alessio> Openoffice
[10:08] <Caleb^> how can i upgrade my warty to hoary without burning the iso image?
[10:08] <Alessio> I have upgraded in hoary
[10:08] <jdub> newter: if there's a newer version, it'd be *very* new, and it may go into hoary soon
[10:09] <jdub> Caleb^: change your sources list to point to hoary and upgrade online
[10:09] <Alessio> but some symbol like
[10:09] <Caleb^> ok, what is the command?
[10:09] <Alessio> - or  
[10:09] <mojo__> just curious, but what are dmesg lines like this all about???
[10:09] <mojo__> Inbound IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=00:50:04:61:7d:34:00:05:74:f1:14:70:08:00 SRC=70.85.9.18 DST=24.217.9.111 LEN=42 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=53 ID=1899 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=4670 DPT=4666 LEN=22
[10:09] <mojo__> Inbound IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=00:50:04:61:7d:34:00:05:74:f1:14:70:08:00 SRC=198.161.110.72 DST=24.217.9.111 LEN=224 TOS=0x00 PREC=0xC0 TTL=108 ID=26408 PROTO=46
[10:09] <Alessio> accented letters...
[10:09] <pestil> FAST: ok I just went for a leak. im back
[10:09] <newter> cause I'm having some lag issues in a few applications that I did not get under my gentoo install on the same box.  I was going to see if it was a nvidia driver related issue and work from there.
[10:09] <FAST> good to know
[10:10] <pestil> FAST: I blatantly lifted the line from MDK. It works fine, still. /dev/hda1 /mnt/win_c vfat umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0
[10:10] <Caleb^> jdub, what is the correct command of apt-get
[10:10] <thoreauputic> mojo__: reports of firewall
[10:10] <mojo__> thoreauputic: thx.  just checking.  bbiaf
[10:10] <Jimbob> FAST: Yeah, sorry, you want a "umask=022" instead of the dmask/fmask stuff.
[10:11] <Jimbob> FAST: pestil is right.
[10:11] <FAST> ok i will try that now
[10:11] <pestil> Jimbob: ;-)
[10:11] <FAST> do i run 'sudo mount -a' after changing ?
[10:12] <thoreauputic> Caleb^: that's a bit like asking for a one-line summary of War and Peace ;)
[10:12] <pestil> FAST:  adjust to taste, of course
[10:12] <FAST> yes
[10:12] <FAST> i did
[10:12] <Caleb^> thoreauputic, i got it :)
[10:12] <Jimbob> FAST: If you've "umount"d /media/sda1, yes
[10:12] <thoreauputic> Caleb^: :)
[10:13] <FAST> umount: /media/sda1: device is busy
[10:13] <newter> jdub: before I o to all the trouble how do I tell what version of nvidia driver is installed by nvidia-glx?
[10:13] <pestil> FAST:  unbusy it
[10:13] <dud> lsof /media/sda1
[10:13] <dud> try that FAST
[10:14] <thoreauputic> FAST: try umount -l (lazy umount - truly - it works ;)
[10:14] <dud> dont do lazy if you can figure out what is accessing it with lsof
[10:14] <FAST> famnd
[10:14] <FAST> famd
[10:14] <dud> lazy unmounting might result in loss of data
[10:14] <thoreauputic> dud: good advice ;)
[10:14] <FAST> thoreauputic, that worked
[10:15] <dud> notice its process number, and kill that process
[10:15] <jdub> newter: apt-cache show nvidia-glx
[10:15] <pestil> ...and screwy sectors in really bad cases, especially if thats FAT
[10:15] <dud> yep, fat is terribly primitive
[10:15] <Hwolf> hidde@system:~$ sudo vgextend lvm /dev/hdb
[10:15] <Hwolf>   /dev/hdb not identified as an existing physical volume
[10:15] <Hwolf>   Unable to add physical volume '/dev/hdb' to volume group 'lvm'.
[10:15] <Hwolf>   :-S
[10:15] <pestil> dud: ...and terribly compatible too, unfortunately. it's the LCD
[10:15] <mjr> pvcreate /dev/hdb first
[10:16] <pestil> dud: least common denominator, I meant
[10:16] <dud> well, yes
[10:16] <senectus> hey, how do you reload your fstab without rebooting?
[10:16] <dud> mount -a
[10:16] <Alessio> I have some problem about openoffice with my upgrade in hoary, problem with images position, with symbol and accented letters! Where is the problem?
[10:16] <senectus> cool thanks
[10:17] <pestil> Alessio: sometimes, just adjusting your keyboard layout lets you type in accented letters easier. Or are you talking about the insert symbol function?
[10:17] <Alessio> the gnome-terminal have problem too with accented letters!
[10:17] <srebbeg> hi, i was wondering how to switch the DE from gnome to KDE? (i've installed the kde packages, just not sure where to change the default desktop)
[10:17] <Alessio> pestil.. not when i'm digiting!
[10:18] <Alessio> when i'm reading some documents..
[10:18] <pestil> Alessio: its never a good idea to use accented letters as part of file names. And if you network around, even more so
[10:18] <FAST> interesting, now the computer does not show up in   smb:///                  (but if i have the samba share entry path to  /home/FAST/folder ) i can see the computer and browse the folder
[10:18] <pestil> Alessio: oh
[10:18] <Alessio> written with openoffice 1.1.2
[10:18] <Hwolf> mjr, now how do I extend my lv?
[10:18] <newter> jdub: Thanks, guess it is using 6629 thanks for the help.
[10:18] <pestil> dammit, bbl, gotta take care of somn
[10:19] <Alessio> not in filename
[10:19] <Alessio> but in the documents!
[10:19] <thoreauputic> srebbeg: one way is to create a .xsession file in your home dir with just the word startkde in it , then choose default system session in the login screen
[10:19] <mjr> Hwolf, lvextend
[10:20] <Alessio> can i return in openoffice 1.1.2?
[10:20] <Alessio> in hoary?
[10:20] <jdub> Alessio: install 'openoffice.org'
[10:21] <topyli> Alessio: i have a windows box with a windows user who has filenames like "let's go bowling 11.8.2002.doc". those are great with samba upgrades, utf8-transitions, and windows upgrades :/
[10:22] <Hwolf> mjr: I seem to be unable to find the right parameters
[10:23] <mjr> read the howto, I don't recall
[10:24] <Alessio> jdub, i have installed it!
[10:24] <thoreauputic> in mac-on-linux, is there a switch to "startmol" to enable "mac in xnest" style when fullscreen is specified in the config files? (Tried asking in #mol but no responses..)
[10:25] <Menaherann> hello
[10:25] <FAST> can someone define what modes   umask=0222  means ?
[10:25] <Menaherann> i need some help regarding instalations
[10:26] <thoreauputic> FAST: that would produce read-only I think
[10:26] <thoreauputic> 666 minus the umask = 444
[10:26] <thoreauputic> which is read only
[10:26] <FAST> is there a number i can use    so that i (owner) can haev rwx  access , and everyone else can have   rx  access?
[10:27] <Jimbob> FAST: 0022
[10:27] <Menaherann> could anyone help a newbie here with this.....?
[10:27] <Menaherann> :)
[10:27] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: haed to say until you ask :)
[10:28] <thoreauputic> *hard
[10:28] <Menaherann> I'm sorry?
[10:28] <dud> just ask the question Menaherann hehe
[10:29] <Menaherann> oh.. ok sorry...
[10:29] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: just ask - we'll help if we know
[10:29] <Menaherann> i'm trying to install warty on my old laptop.....
[10:30] <Menaherann> and apperently installed fine but when it boots it doesn't take me to the desktop
[10:30] <Menaherann> it propms me to the username and password fine but it just hang after i enter them?
[10:30] <Menaherann> what am i doing wrong?
[10:31] <dud> are you installing warty or hoary?
[10:31] <Menaherann> warty
[10:31] <topyli> Menaherann: so you get a console but no gui?
[10:31] <Menaherann> i guess...
[10:31] <FAST> is there any idea why i cant access my samba share   /media/sda1/folder  ?  in fact, i can get to smb://, but now i cannot get to smb:///mshome
[10:31] <Menaherann> mind the NEWBIE on my reply.
[10:31] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: do you  get a picture, or just a black screen with a prompt?
[10:32] <Menaherann> i do get a picture when i'm asked for username/password, after i input them then it goes blank....
[10:32] <Menaherann> just my cursor....
[10:32] <Menaherann> alone in the dark
[10:32] <thoreauputic> hmmm
[10:33] <topyli> ahh, so X is working but you have no window manager
[10:33] <Alessio> sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[10:33] <Alessio> i have make
[10:33] <Alessio> this
[10:33] <Alessio> it's ok
[10:33] <Menaherann> well i am covering my bases right now and re-installing
[10:33] <Alessio> bu in the terminale accnted letters har not cdified :(
[10:33] <dud> try pressing ctrl+alt+f2
[10:34] <topyli> Menaherann: what sort of xursor? an X or arrow? is the backgroud black or grey?
[10:34] <dud> see if you a terminal... you can login and install xserver-xorg through apt-get
[10:34] <Menaherann> arrow on black
[10:34] <topyli> does it move?
[10:34] <Menaherann> yep
[10:34] <thoreauputic> dud: he's using warty (no xorg - xfree)
[10:35] <Menaherann> uh?
[10:35] <thoreauputic> dud: also he would need x-window-system or similar
[10:35] <dud> right, but wouldnt apt-get install the needed requirements if you ask it to install xserver-xfree86
[10:36] <topyli> thoreauputic: X is working since it draws a cursor. but nothing much else is
[10:36] <topyli> also gdm works
[10:36] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: pay no attention ... that was to dud :) Sounds like gnome-session is broken somehow
[10:36] <thoreauputic> topyli: yes, sounds to me like a gnome problem
[10:36] <dud> hehe
[10:37] <dud> in any case... one would think 'apt-get -f install' could fix things up with any luck
[10:37] <dud> if not, then its something more serious hehe
[10:37] <Menaherann> other thing.....
[10:38] <Menaherann> i have another partition on my desktop, that one work fine, so far....
[10:38] <Menaherann> so i kinda know what to expect from the whole install process, but in the laptop, when prompts me for user/password
[10:39] <Menaherann> ther is this drum-like sound that bothers me till no end.....
[10:39] <Menaherann> and since this thing hangs, the drums go and go......
[10:39] <topyli> Menaherann: hey don't knock the drums, at least your sound is working ;)
[10:39] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: hehe... yes, you can turn off system sounds - but you need gnome running ideally
[10:40] <Menaherann> the drums are not a conflict on my card?
[10:40] <Menaherann> then?
[10:40] <Hwolf> mjr: I managed to extend my lvm to include my second disk, but now I don't see the extra space in nautilus
[10:40] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: no
[10:42] <topyli> i say it's gnome-session
[10:42] <topyli> you should try and run that from console
[10:42] <topyli> then get real error messages
[10:42] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: you might ry this ( exactly as here including spaces) :  do ctrl-alt-F2, log in (name, enter, password, enter) Then try  startx /usr/bin/gnome-session -- :1
[10:42] <Jimbob> Hwolf: What does "df -h" say about your lvm device?
[10:43] <thoreauputic> the hyphens and spaces are important - we are trying to get a session strted on the nest display ( :1)
[10:43] <Hwolf> jimbob: /dev/mapper/lvm-6     2.0G  418M  1.6G  21% /data
[10:43] <thoreauputic> *next
[10:43] <Hwolf> jimbob: ACTIVE            '/dev/lvm/6' [39.95 GB]  inherit
[10:45] <Menaherann> well as i siad, i'm reisnatlling it right now...
[10:45] <Menaherann> so it have to wait some...
[10:45] <Menaherann> :)
[10:45] <topyli> ah, but won't it do the same every time you install? well, we don't know, strange things do happen :)
[10:46] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: well, hopefully this time it will be OK - but make a note of the solution/experiment above
[10:46] <Red_Tide> hey I have a question
[10:46] <Menaherann> ok... but now... what is this solution?
[10:46] <Red_Tide> what sort of package system does ubuntu use?
[10:46] <thoreauputic> topyli: sometimes the phase of the moon has to be right ;)
[10:47] <topyli> Menaherann: none yet, but following thoreauputic's advice you'll at least get some error messages to show us
[10:47] <Hwolf> Jimbob: any idea?
[10:47] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: Menaherann: you might ry this ( exactly as here including spaces) :  do ctrl-alt-F2, log in (name, enter, password, enter) Then try  startx /usr/bin/gnome-session -- :1
[10:47] <Hwolf> Red_tide: Debian system
[10:47] <Jimbob> Hwolf: No, sorry
[10:47] <topyli> thoreauputic: yeah. it's a shame gnome doesn't have a moon applet anymore
[10:47] <thoreauputic> topyli: hehe :)
[10:48] <Menaherann> oh... so basically that will tell YOU what going on?
[10:48] <Menaherann> oh i see
[10:49] <Menaherann> does the fact that is an old laptop has anithing to do with it?
[10:49] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: well, if it works it will startb gnome as well :)
[10:49] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: how much RAM?
[10:50] <Menaherann> an amazingly maxed-out 160 MB
[10:50] <Menaherann> :)
[10:50] <Menaherann> yay!
[10:50] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: should be enough
[10:51] <Menaherann> now it is an AMD K6
[10:51] <Menaherann> which isntaller should I be using for this?
[10:52] <thoreauputic> the normal i386 one. It's a PC
[10:52] <thoreauputic> the architecture is the same
[10:53] <Menaherann> ok...
[10:54] <Menaherann> ok... funny question
[10:55] <Menaherann> the laptop is NOT hooke up to the internet, but now is asking me if i want to download soft. form the internet
[10:55] <Menaherann> now i've always said yes.....
[10:56] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: say no if you aren't connected
[10:56] <Menaherann> but it does not bitch about anithing
[10:56] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: it basically gets security updates etc - you can do thatb later
[10:56] <deeayzedarareeen> thoreauputic, mac on linux?
[10:57] <thoreauputic> deeayzedarareeen: yeah, a virtual machine a bit like vmware
[10:57] <thoreauputic> deeayzedarareeen: but free as in beer and as in speech ;)
[10:57] <deeayzedarareeen> free or commercial?
[10:57] <deeayzedarareeen> cool
[10:57] <thoreauputic> ^^^
[10:57] <deeayzedarareeen> will google further :-)
[10:58] <thoreauputic> tricky to set up - there's a howto on the wiki
[10:58] <deeayzedarareeen> got the url?
[10:58] <thoreauputic> deeayzedarareeen: quite good - it got me going
[10:58] <topyli> deeayzedarareeen: you still need an os to run on the virtual mac :)
[10:58] <thoreauputic> ummm hang on a sec
[10:58] <deeayzedarareeen> k
[10:59] <Hwolf> lvs says my lv is 40 gigs. Nautilus says it is 2 gig, what am I doing wrong?
[10:59] <thoreauputic> topyliqI'm dual booting OS-X and Ubuntu
[10:59] <thoreauputic> topyli: so I use the other partition with nmol
[10:59] <thoreauputic> mol
[11:00] <topyli> dual boot means you have to boot sometimes :)
[11:00] <Menaherann> ok... thoreauputic, when should i put this "solution" you provided?
[11:01] <thoreauputic> topyli: I can pretty much stay in linux all the time, and run mol as required \
[11:01] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: first see if it works;)
[11:01] <topyli> thoreauputic: ah, cool
[11:01] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: I mean the new install
[11:01] <Menaherann> got it
[11:02] <Menaherann> well, the live CD version works....
[11:02] <topyli> Menaherann: the live cd is a totally different system
[11:02] <Menaherann> very slooooooooooooooooowwwwwww. but it does!
[11:02] <thoreauputic> URL fo the mac-on-linux howto:
[11:03] <thoreauputic> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MacOnLinuxHowto
[11:03] <|QuaD-> anyone here using beagle and hoary?
[11:03] <|QuaD-> ie beagle on hoary
[11:04] <Menaherann> is kinda hard to find tutorials for linux, at leatst for dummies
[11:05] <Menaherann> one of those that tells you the stufff from 0-level-schmuck
[11:06] <topyli> Menaherann: once the system works, you just use it basically. when problems arise, you find documentation that applies to that problem
[11:06] <topyli> now, if the system fails to work, that's a different story :)
[11:06] <odyssey> |QuaD-, i was til today
[11:07] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: for command line stuff, this is a good start:
[11:07] <thoreauputic> http://www.tuxfiles.org/
[11:07] <Menaherann> ok... some there are no manuals as such, then?
[11:07] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: there are many - linux documentation project forinstance
[11:08] <topyli> Menaherann: for ubuntu, read the excellent debian docs
[11:08] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: http://google.com/linux is your friend ;)
[11:09] <thoreauputic> lots of stuff on ubuntulinux.org as well
[11:09] <Hwolf> is anyone here familiar with lvm on ubuntu?
[11:09] <topyli> perhaps today there's someone who has used p3nfs?
[11:10] <topyli> or how about someone who has gotten serial port irda dongles to work on ubuntu?
[11:10] <topyli> i hate it when there's two problems at the same time
[11:12] <Menaherann> another question... which network card will you recommend for this laptop, once ubuntu start kicking?
[11:12] <Menaherann> obviously has to support linux...
[11:13] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: don't you have one built in on that laptop?
[11:13] <Menaherann> but i don't know which on to get?
[11:13] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: most ethernet cards are well supported in linux, actually
[11:13] <Menaherann> well, i mean a wireless card....
[11:13] <thoreauputic> ah
[11:14] <thoreauputic> that's a different story...
[11:14] <Menaherann> sorry
[11:14] <apokryphos> What are people here using to play .AVIs and .mpgs?
[11:15] <dud> mplayer/xine/totem
[11:16] <apokryphos> dud: Are you using Hoary? If so, just how did you get mplayer to work? The one I got from the repositories refuses to play my videos.
[11:17] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: check the r\Restricted Formats" entry on ubuntulinux.org
[11:17] <apokryphos> ok
[11:17] <dud> i've had much better luck with xine really... mplayer has always been a bitch to get working for me
[11:17] <dud> but that might relate to having 64bit
[11:17] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: some codecs are "unfree"
[11:17] <thoreauputic> as well as libdvdcss
[11:17] <apokryphos> xine for me plays the videos, but no sound output
[11:18] <ACID|net> hey all, is there any way i can use my uplink port of my linksys router to go to anther PC.  We have a 4 port hub in it and we need 5 :(
[11:18] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: do a search on ubuntulinux.org - setting this up is covered in the wiki
[11:18] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: Cool; will do, thanks.
[11:19] <thoreauputic> no worries :)
[11:20] <Bigglez> Anyone tell me how to get Enlightenment into the choice of gui's on login?
[11:21] <Menaherann> so?
[11:21] <Menaherann> anybody knows about which card should I get?
[11:21] <Menaherann> anyone?
[11:22] <thoreauputic> Biggles, there are several ways, none of them intuitive { easiest is to make a .xsession file in your  homedir with just the word enlightenment in it, then choose system session from the login screen
[11:22] <Bigglez> thoreauputic : thanks - I will try that. brb
[11:23] <thoreauputic> Biggles, there is another way which gives you added wm in the list, but I'd have to dig for the file to edit...
[11:23] <Bigglez> Well, enlightenment already put:
[11:23] <thoreauputic> /usr/share/xsessions from memory
[11:23] <Bigglez> # Enlightenment inserted Execution string here
[11:23] <Bigglez> exec /usr/bin/enlightenment
[11:24] <thoreauputic> ah - in .xsession?
[11:24] <Bigglez> When I go to apps->sys tool->New login
[11:24] <Bigglez> there is no choice for E
[11:24] <Bigglez> yes in .xsession in my home dir
[11:24] <Menaherann> ok...
[11:25] <Menaherann> now... other thing i don't know about...
[11:25] <Menaherann> :)
[11:25] <thoreauputic> then choose system session on login
[11:25] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: ^^
[11:25] <Bigglez> Yes - I did, no choice for E in the list
[11:25] <Menaherann> is aking me right now about configurins the xserver-xfree86
[11:25] <Menaherann> \?
[11:25] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: and?
[11:26] <Menaherann> basically to choose which resolution i DON"T want it to use?
[11:26] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: no - choose the default system session
[11:26] <topyli> Bigglez: there shouldn't be. choose system session or default or xsession or whatever it's called
[11:26] <Menaherann> cuold the problem be here?
[11:27] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: yes. Let it use a default - you can tweak it later if necessary
[11:27] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: that could be the source of your problems
[11:28] <Menaherann> so mark ONLY 640x4810 or 600x800
[11:28] <Menaherann> ?
[11:28] <Bigglez> Ok - how do i get Gnome back again afterwards?
[11:28] <Menaherann> which would be default....?
[11:28] <Menaherann> cuz it will try to run the best resolution possible
[11:28] <topyli> Bigglez: choose gnome :)
[11:28] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: it will prompt you - but probably it will stay gnome unless you change your preference
[11:29] <Bigglez> ok ok - I'm off to try it all. hope I get back ! !
[11:29] <Menaherann> the default choices are 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768
[11:30] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: then leave them aloneand see what happens
[11:30] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: the installer is pretty smart and usually gets it right
[11:31] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: if in doubt, hit "enter"
[11:31] <Menaherann> did
[11:31] <Menaherann> kept on going, now let's see what happens
[11:31] <thoreauputic> ;)
[11:32] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: you can kill me if I gave you bad advice - heh ;)
[11:32] <Menaherann> if anything this laptop will be a nice paperweight
[11:32] <Menaherann> :)
[11:32] <thoreauputic> or a nice headless server !
[11:32] <sleon_> is hal/dbus something like replacement of automount?
[11:33] <sleon_> will it be possible to eject cd's at anytime?
[11:33] <topyli> Menaherann: hey, you have a perfectly good console there! you can switch your desktop environment from gnome to emacs
[11:33] <thoreauputic> sleon_: yeah, eject works well here
[11:33] <christianp> hi all
[11:33] <sleon_> thoreauputic, even if i go to  the dir with cd?
[11:34] <sleon_> thoreauputic, in console?
[11:34] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: on options with "Y or I  : install the package maintainer's version etc..." which option should I be choosing?
[11:34] <sleon_> thoreauputic, or even if a program is accesing it?(like video player)
[11:34] <Menaherann> and..... what do you mean by that, topyli?
[11:34] <souki> anyone having an acer aspire 1680 WLMI ?
[11:34] <thoreauputic> sleon_: umm.. you can't expect to umount a busy device
[11:34] <sleon_> thoreauputic, :(
[11:34] <sleon_> thoreauputic, this would confuse noobs
[11:34] <mjr> Hwolf, (back), you probably need to resize the FS after extending the LV
[11:34] <topyli> Menaherann: half-kidding. if x doesn't work, you can still do almost anything
[11:35] <Hwolf> mjr: will that ruin my data?
[11:35] <thoreauputic> sleon_: you like corrupting your files ;) ?
[11:35] <christianp> this is the first time i use ubuntu on my laptop, and this is my first problem: the system doesn't recognize the tablet to move mouse cursor
[11:35] <mjr> Hwolf, if it's ext3, you need to do a resize2fs /dev/whatever while the fs is unmounted
[11:35] <sleon_> thoreauputic, scenario: videoplayer crashes: the cd stays busy noob needs to reboot to open it
[11:35] <mjr> nah
[11:35] <Hwolf> mjr: xfs
[11:35] <mjr> ok, well, then it's even easier
[11:35] <mjr> you don't have to unmount (in fact, you _have_ to have it mounted :)
[11:35] <no0tic> seb128: about rhythmbox crashes, can we talk here?
[11:35] <christianp> my previous distro (debian) does it
[11:35] <mjr> but lessee, what was the tool...
[11:35] <sleon_> thoreauputic, is there way to prevent it?
[11:36] <mjr> Hwolf, xfs_growfs, yes?
[11:36] <thoreauputic> sleon_: don't know, frankly - the mount system seems to work well here, anyway
[11:36] <mjr> xfs_growfs /mount/point
[11:36] <sleon_> are the newest gnome debs for ubuntu?
[11:36] <no0tic> seb128: now also nautilus crashes almost everytime... (and some times it takes Xorg with him...)
[11:37] <apokryphos> switch to KDe ;)
[11:37] <sleon_> or is there debs for 2.6.2?
[11:37] <thoreauputic> no0tic: hoary?
[11:37] <no0tic> thoreauputic: yes
[11:37] <topyli> sleon_: there's 2.8
[11:37] <sleon_> 2.6.2 gtk
[11:37] <sleon_> topyli, 2.6.10?
[11:37] <sleon_> 2.8.10
[11:37] <sleon_> i mean
[11:37] <topyli> sleon_: ubuntu always comes with the latest gnome
[11:37] <thoreauputic> no0tic: well, when hoary breaks you get to keep both pieces ;)
[11:37] <sleon_> topyli, there was recent beta
[11:37] <sleon_> topyli, i want to test it
[11:38] <sleon_> topyli, does ubuntu have the debs
[11:38] <topyli> sleon_: oh, then you need hoary, the unstable ubuntu
[11:38] <thoreauputic> no0tic: it *is* the development version..
[11:38] <no0tic> thoreauputic: I know..
[11:38] <sleon_> topyli, and you say it already has it?
[11:38] <topyli> sleon_: always the latest
[11:38] <topyli> i suppose
[11:38] <tremor> hoary has gnome 2.9.10 (== gnome 2.10 beta-1)
[11:38] <sleon_> topyli, even if it was released yesterday and even beta versions?
[11:39] <johns_> no it isn't
[11:39] <sleon_> tremor, thx
[11:39] <johns_> ;)
[11:39] <Hwolf> mjr: yes, now to figure how to use it.
[11:39] <johns_> it just sucks less then other os'ses
[11:39] <topyli> sleon_: yes. and ubuntu releases a stable "preview" on the same day that gnome releases a stable gnome
[11:39] <johns_> lots less I might add
[11:39] <sleon_> the noob i installed it to said it is too complicated compared to knoppix
[11:39] <sleon_> then i asked why
[11:39] <sleon_> and he told me cause of kde and passwords
[11:40] <sleon_> topyli, thx
[11:40] <sleon_> but then he fsck up knoppix
[11:40] <sleon_> after installing some system lib which replaced half of system
[11:40] <sleon_> and replaced changed knoppix's configs
[11:40] <sleon_> he installed it with apt-get
[11:41] <sleon_> with synaptics
[11:41] <mjr> Hwolf, you should just have to say "xfs_growfs /mount/point" (if root, just /)
[11:41] <ironwolf> xmms seems to lock in hoary when trying to play live365.com .pls files.  what else can I use for the streaming audio?
[11:41] <sleon_> is the new package install help from hoary more intuitive?
[11:41] <sleon_> helper
[11:42] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: rhythmbox or beep-media-player
[11:42] <topyli> sleon_: knoppix is not really something to be installed. at least you should upgrade it to unstable ASAP after installation
[11:42] <thoreauputic> and install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:42] <thoreauputic> or relevent version if hoary
[11:43] <ironwolf> thoreauputic gstreamer already installed. :)  That one I know. :)
[11:43] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: OK :)
[11:43] <sleon_> topyli, ok, but will it be harder to fsck up ubuntu hoary if he would only use installmanager ?
[11:43] <thoreauputic> beep-media-player is nice
[11:43] <sleon_> like synaptic or newly written one
[11:43] <sleon_> are there packages that would demand reinstalling the half of system?
[11:44] <thoreauputic> sleon_: why would you use hoary for a newb? Use warty
[11:44] <topyli> sleon_: i don't run hoary but doesn't it use synaptic too? but hoary of course can break any day
[11:44] <Hwolf> mjr: yay, scary but yay!
[11:44] <sleon_> ok
[11:44] <sleon_> warty then
[11:44] <thoreauputic> yes, awrty has synaptic
[11:44] <thoreauputic> *warty
[11:44] <sleon_> ok
[11:45] <sleon_> the problem with synaptic : it demands sometime to use console: install failed run dpkg -a configure manually ...
[11:45] <Menaherann> well the instalation is now registering documentation....
[11:45] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: Following those instructions didn't seem to help at all. Same problem.
[11:45] <Menaherann> should this take this long????
[11:45] <sleon_> but the question is are all packages in warty 100% working?
[11:46] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: :( sorry - only so much I can do at this distance I'm afraid
[11:46] <sleon_> i mean can it happen that install can fail of lacking deps if i have warty sources?
[11:46] <topyli> sleon_: true, if something goes wrong there's no gui really to take care of it. also, it doesn't build package
[11:46] <thoreauputic> sleon_: short answer: no
[11:46] <ironwolf> thoreauputic: now rhythmbox is unresponsive. *sigh* beep-media-player you say?
[11:46] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: no worries
[11:46] <topyli> sleon_: warty is stable, it works
[11:46] <sleon_> thoreauputic, cool
[11:46] <sleon_> good ok
[11:46] <sleon_> then i will try it on him
[11:46] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: yes - it can use xmms skins, by the way
[11:46] <sleon_> it is unbelivable he fsck knoppix so quick
[11:46] <sleon_> :D
[11:47] <topyli> you can install warty for your mom or anyone
[11:47] <sleon_> it was already installed then the hdd crashed :)
[11:47] <sleon_> and then we choosed knoppix cause he told me ubuntu was too compicated for him(scared by gnome)
[11:48] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: the skin browser and menus look better than xmms - they use gtk2
[11:48] <sleon_> but i will install then ubuntu + kde
[11:48] <Hwolf> sleon_: You serious?
[11:48] <sleon_> Hwolf, yes
[11:48] <Menaherann> yay!
[11:48] <sleon_> Hwolf, i was amased!
[11:48] <Menaherann> instalation complete!!!!!
[11:48] <Bigglez> Ah well, Enlightenment was fun until the segfault .... :(
[11:48] <sleon_> Hwolf, this is total noob
[11:48] <topyli> sleon_: how is gnome complicated and kde cures that is beyond me
[11:48] <sleon_> i thought he would like gnome cause of lesser functions
[11:48] <sleon_> and cleaner design
[11:49] <sleon_> topyli, this was the first impression made at him cause it looked more different then windows
[11:49] <Menaherann> ok... now, this is the moment when i log in and the computer hangs forever
[11:49] <sleon_> then kde does
[11:49] <sleon_> topyli, he chould not describe me why
[11:49] <sleon_> topyli, he used kde longer now though
[11:49] <sleon_> till he fscked things up
[11:50] <topyli> sleon_: my lady is a windows user. i set up gnome for her and she likes it. it's a matter of panel and icon arrangement mostly
[11:50] <sleon_> i will tell you in the future which problems he got and questions he had
[11:50] <sleon_> topyli, thats it :)
[11:50] <sleon_> it is nice experiment
[11:50] <topyli> sleon_: openoffice is more difficult :)
[11:51] <sleon_> hehe
[11:51] <Bigglez> To throw a flame in ... I have always found KDE to be "snappier" than Gnome
[11:51] <Bigglez> It's just - well - faster!
[11:51] <sleon_> topyli, he want only download music, hear internet radio and speak with his friends other internet
[11:51] <ironwolf> ok beep-media-player locked up. *sigh*
[11:51] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: so is fluxbox... :)
[11:51] <sleon_> with skype and so on
[11:51] <topyli> sleon_: simple needs, easy to fulfill
[11:51] <sleon_> yes
[11:52] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: then your problem is not the app but the system ( gstreamer or alsa or something)
[11:52] <Bigglez> yeah fluxbox - but you can't cmp that to kde
[11:52] <sleon_> topyli, not so easy, cause some sites won't work cause they use wmedia player
[11:52] <sleon_> x-mplayer2 :D
[11:52] <sleon_> realplayer is not installed per default
[11:52] <sleon_> (i am talking about knoppix)
[11:52] <Menaherann> and well, it happenned again....:(
[11:52] <sleon_> no plugins
[11:52] <rython> hi
[11:52] <sleon_> for firefox
[11:52] <sleon_> you need to install them manually
[11:52] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: indeed not- fluxbox is *so* much better *grin*
[11:53] <Bigglez> heh!
[11:53] <ironwolf> thoreauputic: yeah, so where do I start looking.  They play mp3's, wav's etc. just not this. *well, xmms hasn't ever worked*
[11:53] <Bigglez> I guess I love Konqueror - it's so damn versatile!
[11:53] <sleon_> is kde for ubuntu also stable enough like gnome?
[11:53] <thoreauputic> sorry I missed something - what won't it play?
[11:54] <Bigglez> Gnome is like clicking underwater - c  l   i   c        k ... :)
[11:54] <thoreauputic> sleon_: it's "not supported" (ie use at your own risk)
[11:54] <Bigglez> I'm using xmms just fine!
[11:54] <sleon_> thoreauputic, but is it stable enough?
[11:54] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: gnome is quite snappy here...
[11:54] <Bigglez> Can't seem to bind keys to make it pause properly, but it plays oggs and mp3s
[11:55] <sleon_> thoreauputic, do you know the quality of packages?
[11:55] <topyli> sleon_: yeah, you have to set everything up for a windows user. mplayer-plugin handles most media ok
[11:55] <sleon_> topyli, i use it and i know that it does not work 100%
[11:55] <odyssey> why is it that mplayer on a debian system is so different than mplayer on an rpm based system?
[11:55] <thoreauputic> sleon_: sorry i haven't tried it with warty - I have with debian, of course
[11:55] <Bigglez> Thoreauputic: I kept the same PC when I switched to Ubu and Gnome is notably slower. Can't explain it!
[11:55] <sleon_> thx
[11:55] <topyli> sleon_: kde is in the unsupported section
[11:55] <sleon_> i will try both kde and ngome
[11:55] <topyli> odyssey: it is?
[11:55] <sleon_> for a longer period lets see what he would choose
[11:56] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: hmm... odd
[11:56] <sleon_> :)
[11:56] <ironwolf> thoreauputic: beep-media-player won't play a live365.com stream
[11:56] <odyssey> i find it unuseable with ubuntu but when i was using fedora it was quite nice, cept for when it crashed
[11:56] <Bigglez> Try throwing around a folder with 3000 files in it. Konqueror says "no problem". Nautilus just goes into Matrix-bullet time and snores a lot :)
[11:57] <MLimburg> hey guys .. have a problem .. sound isnt running in gnome (ie: sound events like error, etc) but if i open xmms and go to output filters, its set to OSS by default .. which doesnt work .. but if i change it to ALSA, then xmms works .. any ideas what to check and change here?
[11:57] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: I've noticed some bugs with bits of gnome here - but not show-stoppers
[11:57] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: I agree that nautilus is kinda sluggish at times
[11:57] <odyssey> MLimburg, could have oss muted in gnome-volume-control
[11:57] <Bigglez> thoreau: Yes, it's been very stable (if slow *grin*) but KDE was also stable.
[11:58] <Bigglez> brb
[11:58] <sleon_> is the latest gtk version using libcairo?
[11:58] <topyli> Bigglez: let's see if nautilus will improve once we get rid of fam
[11:58] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: nothing a cp -a flie /dircan't fix ;)
[11:58] <thoreauputic> oops
[11:58] <Menaherann> well, thoreaputic? how do i put this thing?
[11:58] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: didn't you write it down? :)
[11:58] <thoreauputic> you mean my startx thing?
[11:59] <MLimburg> hmm .. i have a webcam here .. which isnt working yet .. and its set to OSS
[11:59] <Menaherann> yes.. but right now my screen is black otu
[11:59] <MLimburg> acording to the gnome volume applet
[11:59] <Menaherann> so should i reebot or do it now?
[11:59] <ironwolf> thoreauputic: rhythmbox plays mp3s, but not the stream from live365.com
[11:59] <sleon_> you need livestreamer for it
[11:59] <thoreauputic> ctrl-alt-F2 -  login name pass then startx /usr/bin/gnome-session -- :1
[12:00] <Bigglez> what does the :1 mean in that?
[12:00] <thoreauputic> ironwolf: you have it set as default in firefox when firefox asks for the helper app?
[12:01] <thoreauputic> Bigglez: it starts a session on the next virtual terminal ( usually tty8 )
[12:01] <sleon_> Bigglez, this is the address of display
[12:01] <MLimburg> which conf file can i look into to see what gnome is trying to use as a default sound deamon?
[12:01] <sleon_> Bigglez, you have gnome running on :0 already, you cannot start another one there
[12:01] <Bigglez> Oh. tah!
[12:01] <Agabus> hey could anyone give me a link for the hoary hedgehog iso??
[12:02] <sleon_> Bigglez, you need to start it on other display
[12:02] <Menaherann> ok....
[12:02] <sleon_> Bigglez, like .1000
[12:02] <sleon_> :100
[12:02] <sleon_> ;D
[12:02] <sleon_> if it is not occupied
[12:02] <Menaherann> great... now the screen is gray and the cursors is an x
[12:02] <thoreauputic> sleon_:  :1 will do
[12:02] <Menaherann> :)
[12:02] <sleon_> thoreauputic, i know,
[12:02] <Agabus> anyone?
[12:02] <sleon_> thoreauputic, i was only explaining in general
[12:02] <tremor> Agabus: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/5.04/array-4/
[12:03] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: well, x is running then, but gnome is dead, it seems
[12:03] <sleon_> Agabus, i am downloading it right now, will have it in 3 minutes
[12:03] <thoreauputic> sleon_: fair enough ;)
[12:03] <Agabus> sleon_ - oh k
[12:03] <sleon_> :)
[12:04] <Menaherann> WOW
[12:04] <sleon_> :)
[12:04] <sleon_> 600mb in 23 minutes
[12:04] <Agabus> how come there's an install and a live disc? why not just one like with mepis?
[12:04] <Menaherann> now the ubuntu screen popped up
[12:04] <topyli> ironwolf: live365.com seems to have some kind of player of their own. doesn't work here
[12:05] <sleon_> ironwolf, there is livestreamer
[12:05] <Bigglez> so to run E : startx /usr/bin/enlightenment -- :1
[12:05] <sleon_> ironwolf, it supports 365
[12:05] <Bigglez> bingo!
[12:05] <Menaherann> so hopefully in the next two months this thing will finally boot
[12:05] <shock> good morning peoples!
[12:05] <shock> :P
[12:05] <sleon_> ironwolf, it is very comfortable to use
[12:05] <sleon_> ironwolf, it has guy that shows you all stations at the moment, you chose one you need and hit play
[12:05] <Agabus> is there any ftp sites i can download the ISO from?
[12:06] <sleon_> Agabus, /topic
[12:06] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: aha - ok it is trying to run gdm then... but it sounds like your install doesn't want to run gnome-session for some unfathomable reason
[12:06] <sleon_> ttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-4/
[12:06] <sleon_> Agabus, it is very quick
[12:07] <Agabus> sleon_ - yeh i was just wondering if there's an ftp site
[12:07] <topyli> Menaherann: how do things look? do you have the plain X cursor or a graphical login or are you already in gnome?
[12:07] <Menaherann> well, am I still on isntall mode/
[12:07] <Menaherann> ??
[12:07] <sleon_> Agabus, i think there is
[12:07] <Menaherann> i thought that the install ended already
[12:07] <sleon_> Agabus, ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de
[12:07] <sleon_> Agabus, they have only warty though
[12:08] <Menaherann> anyway.... anything that i could do to get this thin runing, guys?
[12:08] <sleon_> Menaherann, i have not followed you, what is your exact problem?
[12:08] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: I've run out of ideas, I'm afraid
[12:08] <topyli> Menaherann: what's happening right now?
[12:08] <Menaherann> my screen is gray... my cursor is acitve but is the x
[12:09] <Menaherann> and the ubuntu screen popped up
[12:09] <Menaherann> that all
[12:09] <sleon_> Menaherann, during the install
[12:09] <sleon_> or after the install?
[12:09] <Menaherann> for the past 3 min.
[12:09] <Menaherann> or so
[12:09] <sleon_> Menaherann, which grafik card do you have?
[12:09] <sleon_> how much ram
[12:09] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: as I said, gnome-session is refusing to run - thus you have only a bare X screen
[12:09] <topyli> Menaherann: good. X works. which ubuntu screen are you talking about? the graphical login or the small splash screen?
[12:10] <Menaherann> i guess the small spalsh screen
[12:10] <topyli> so gnome is trying to start
[12:10] <topyli> click the splash, perhaps it's hanging. it's known to happen sometimes
[12:11] <thoreauputic> maybe try the failsafe gnome option in sessions
[12:11] <Menaherann> whatever is built in this laptop,sleon
[12:11] <Menaherann> nothing happenned
[12:11] <stef_65> hi all
[12:11] <sleon_> Menaherann, aua
[12:11] <Menaherann> so restart, and select safe mode?
[12:11] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: see if the failsafe gnome option works
[12:11] <sleon_> Menaherann, laptops are tricky
[12:12] <topyli> Menaherann: you're running this x session in screen :1 ?
[12:12] <sleon_> Menaherann, i don't know if ubuntu will run good on laptops
[12:12] <sleon_> Menaherann, i heard suse linux runs best
[12:12] <topyli> sure it will
[12:12] <sleon_> topyli, oh ok
[12:12] <Menaherann> ok... how about his:
[12:12] <thoreauputic> sleon_: sure it will - depends on the laptop though
[12:12] <sleon_> thoreauputic, right
[12:12] <Menaherann> i five the specs of this machine
[12:12] <Menaherann> ans you tell me which version i could run?
[12:12] <sleon_> thoreauputic, i have here one with via chrome card
[12:13] <topyli> of course some laptops won't run any linux well
[12:13] <sleon_> thoreauputic, this was such a pain to get it working(i don't almost a lfs install :D)
[12:13] <thoreauputic> iBook G4 running warty beautifully here :)
[12:13] <sleon_> s/don't/done/
[12:13] <sleon_> nice
[12:14] <ironwolf> sleon_: apt-get install livestreamer doesn't seem to work, where would I find livestreamer?
[12:14] <thoreauputic> except for airport extreme and sleep mode - neither of which are important to me
[12:14] <sleon_> ironwolf, moment
[12:14] <sleon_> ironwolf, i seek it for you
[12:14] <topyli> Menaherann: if ubuntu really won't cooperate, you could try and install mandrake. it's different enough, but still quite smart with laptops
[12:15] <Menaherann> will it run on this?
[12:15] <topyli> no way to know
[12:16] <sleon_> ironwolf, sorry streamtuner
[12:16] <sleon_> :D
[12:16] <topyli> Menaherann: the cpu and memory are enough for any distribution. but perhaps none will run because of the graphics card or something
[12:16] <sleon_> ironwolf, and get the latest verion
[12:16] <sleon_> http://freshmeat.net/redir/streamtuner/30913/url_homepage/streamtuner
[12:16] <ironwolf> sleon_: I'm on hoary, would the archive have it?
[12:16] <sleon_> it will have most features then
[12:16] <stef_65> Menaherann, maybe give Kanotix a try (improved Knoopix with Laptop-Focus)
[12:16] <sleon_> ironwolf, no idea :D
[12:16] <sleon_> ironwolf, it is very easy to compile it though
[12:17] <thoreauputic>  $ apt-cache search streamtuner
[12:17] <topyli> Menaherann: but i still say it's just a gnome-session problem :)
[12:17] <thoreauputic> streamtuner - A GUI audio stream directory browse
[12:17] <thoreauputic> it's in  warty even
[12:17] <thoreauputic> see above
[12:17] <topyli> Menaherann: one that i can't solve i'm afraid, not over irc anyway
[12:17] <sleon_> thoreauputic, yes, but newest version has most cool features :D
[12:17] <sleon_> thoreauputic, i am version fetishist
[12:17] <Menaherann> so Mandrake or Kanotix, then?
[12:18] <topyli> yeah, try them
[12:18] <thoreauputic> might bneed universe and multiverse enabled sleon_ ah, I see my bad :(
[12:18] <stef_65> Menaherann, I'd try Kanotix first, it's as well aLive-CD and only a quick download
[12:18] <topyli> yeah, mandrake is big
[12:18] <sleon_> thoreauputic, ubuntu can't find scsi discs in vmware
[12:18] <sleon_> thoreauputic, how to make it use scsi ?
[12:19] <thoreauputic> sleon_: I have no idea, sorry - maybe someone else has experience with this
[12:20] <thoreauputic> sleon_: can't afford vmware anyway ;)
[12:20] <sleon_> this is 30 day test version
[12:20] <sleon_> :D
[12:20] <Menaherann> all right... thanks for your help... guys....
[12:20] <thoreauputic> I see :)
[12:20] <sleon_> you can get unlimited testverions :D
[12:20] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: good luck :)
[12:20] <topyli> sleon_: i bet you get it working fine on day 29 :)
[12:20] <sleon_> hehe
[12:21] <sleon_> topyli, other distros work fine here
[12:21] <ironwolf> sleon_: universe has same version as website... trying it now.
[12:21] <sleon_> ironwolf, cool!
[12:21] <sleon_> Menaherann, hey
[12:21] <sleon_> Menaherann, if you want i can ssh to your laptop
[12:21] <stef_65> Anybody has an idea where the mounted drives in the 'Places'-Menu in Hoary have gone. After a dist-upgrade last week the menu changed a lot, and i want my mounted drives back in the 'Places' manu...
[12:21] <sleon_> Menaherann, and find out what is wrong
[12:22] <thoreauputic> sleon_: hmm.. encouraging bad habits - giving root to strangers...
[12:22] <sleon_> yes
[12:22] <topyli> Menaherann: if someone offers you that, take it. it's the quick way
[12:22] <sleon_> thoreauputic, i done a lot
[12:22] <sleon_> thoreauputic, things like that
[12:23] <thoreauputic> sleon_: while you're at it, you'll install an open relay for postfix, right ;) ?
[12:23] <sleon_> thoreauputic, hehehe
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[12:23] <sleon_> thoreauputic, i know
[12:23] <Menaherann> well, what do you mean, sleon?
[12:23] <sleon_> Menaherann, is your notebook connected on network?
[12:24] <Menaherann> sadly no
[12:24] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: he's offering to administer your machine remotely
[12:24] <sleon_> Menaherann, can you connect it?
[12:24] <thoreauputic> over a secure ssh connection..
[12:24] <Menaherann> i wold do it but i have no connection yet on this thing
[12:24] <sleon_> Menaherann, how do you connect to internet?
[12:24] <sleon_> Menaherann, modem? cable?
[12:25] <sleon_> do you have local lan?
[12:25] <Menaherann> with my desktop
[12:25] <Menaherann> dsl lan
[12:25] <ironwolf> sleon_: archive version seg faults.  trying from source
[12:25] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: it's always easier to install a distro while connected -that means the connection is usually configured automatically
[12:25] <sleon_> Menaherann, can you connect your notebook to homelan?
[12:26] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: and you can say yes to the question about installing packages
[12:26] <Menaherann> yep, but how if now i have no os
[12:26] <sleon_> Menaherann, i can tell you then how to configure things so it will get internet
[12:26] <topyli> Menaherann: your os is running just fine
[12:26] <sleon_> Menaherann, i will tell you how to do it
[12:26] <kuru> I'm trying to use cdrecord to write to a CDRW
[12:26] <sleon_> Menaherann, from textmode
[12:26] <thoreauputic> Menaherann: the OS is working perfectly - it's the window manager that isn't
[12:26] <kuru> i loaded all the necessary modules (it's an IDE CD writer)
[12:26] <kuru> and then ran cdrecord -scanbus
[12:27] <kuru> scsibus0:
[12:27] <kuru>         0,0,0     0) '' '' '' Disk
[12:27] <kuru> this is all i get
[12:27] <kuru> the rest are *
[12:27] <kuru> am i doing something wrong?
[12:27] <thoreauputic> kuru: cdrecord -scanbus only works for ide-scsi - you have a 2.6 kernel
[12:27] <topyli> kuru: try cdrecord -scanbus -dev=ATAPI
[12:27] <Menaherann> well, i could connect it via usb
[12:28] <kuru> ah
[12:28] <sleon_> Menaherann, not ethernet?
[12:28] <Menaherann> or i could plug another wireless card
[12:28] <thoreauputic> kuru: /dev/cdrom will point to /dev/hdc or something
[12:28] <sleon_> Menaherann, does it have ethernet card?
[12:28] <kuru> topyli: ok, that gives me my CD drives
[12:28] <Menaherann> i have a wireless ethernet card
[12:29] <kuru>         0,0,0     0) 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVD-ROM GDR8162B' '0015' Removable CD-ROM
[12:29] <kuru>         0,1,0     1) 'HL-DT-ST' 'CD-RW GCE-8483B ' 'B105' Removable CD-ROM
[12:29] <Menaherann> a netgear
[12:29] <topyli> kuru: good
[12:29] <kuru> topyli: but i can't access 0,1,0 even when I specify -dev=ATAPI
[12:29] <sleon_> Menaherann, and a normal ethernet?
[12:29] <kuru> topyli: cdrecord -v blank=all speed=10 dev=0,1,0 -data music.iso
[12:29] <Menaherann> nope
[12:29] <kuru> ugh
[12:29] <sleon_> Menaherann, what is the exact model of the card?
[12:29] <Menaherann> i know
[12:29] <kuru> topyli: cdrecord -v -dev=ATAPI blank=all speed=10 dev=0,1,0 -data music.iso
[12:30] <thoreauputic> kuru: specifying /dev/hdc or whatever will also work
[12:30] <sleon_> Menaherann, what is running on the main desktop?
[12:30] <Menaherann> netgear WG511
[12:30] <kuru> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[12:30] <kuru> this is what I get
[12:30] <topyli> kuru: hmm. i don't much use cdrecord. in xcdroast i just use /dev/hdc
[12:30] <Menaherann> i connect on the desktop via usb
[12:30] <sleon_> Menaherann, what is the desktop? windows?
[12:30] <dud> kuru, usually just use -dev=/dev/hdd will work
[12:30] <thoreauputic> kuru: ls -l /dev/cdrom
[12:31] <Menaherann> yep
[12:31] <sleon_> xp?
[12:31] <dud> altho not recommended, itll work
[12:31] <Menaherann> yep
[12:31] <kuru> ok, let's see
[12:31] <thoreauputic> kuru: that should show what device the link points to
[12:31] <sleon_> Menaherann, ok
[12:31] <kuru> still same thing
[12:31] <kuru> it points to /dev/hdb
[12:31] <dud> its a known bug that the scsi emulation in ubuntu might be sligthly borked
[12:31] <sleon_> Menaherann, when you will use wireless lan card
[12:31] <thoreauputic> kuru: then use /dev/hdb ?
[12:32] <sleon_> Menaherann, what is the accesspoint?
[12:32] <sleon_> Menaherann, what will you need to connect with?
[12:32] <topyli> kuru: and what is /dev/hdb? is it the right device?
[12:32] <kuru> topyli: yes it is
[12:32] <Menaherann> dont follow
[12:32] <kuru> topyli: but it says:  No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[12:32] <dud> kuru, by using -dev= point to the acutal devices in /dev/* i'll guaratee itll work flawlessly :)
[12:32] <thoreauputic> dud: well, scsi emulation is deprecated with 2.6.* kernels
[12:32] <dud> try it with the -dummy option to check
[12:32] <kuru> dud: I just did
[12:33] <kuru> it doesn't work for a different reason
[12:33] <kuru> it's not convinced I have /dev/sg0
[12:33] <scoon> anyone here change the irq of their agp slot or any other card for that matter ?
[12:33] <topyli> kuru: well, i for one don't have /dev/sg0
[12:33] <dud> are you running the ide-scsi module?
[12:33] <kuru> dud: yes
[12:33] <sleon_> Menaherann, when you will try to connect other wlan card
[12:33] <dud> dont run that... just run ide-cd
[12:33] <thoreauputic> kuru: possibly /dev/sg* is pointing to the wrong place
[12:33] <dud> must less hassle
[12:33] <sleon_> Menaherann, with which device will you talk?
[12:34] <Menaherann> though this one....
[12:34] <Menaherann> my desktop
[12:34] <kuru> thoreauputic: it's not pointing to anything
[12:34] <ironwolf> sleon_: ok, so the build-dep is borked for streamtuner but seems I've got all the deps fixed... building now.
[12:34] <thoreauputic> kuru: sounds like your device link needs changing then
[12:34] <dud> i strongly recommend ditching ide scsi emulation on newer kernels
[12:35] <sleon_> ironwolf, interesting
[12:35] <topyli> kuru: get rid of scsi if you don't have scsi disks
[12:35] <kuru> topyli: i do have scsi disks
[12:35] <thoreauputic> kuru: ln -s /dev/hd* /dev/cdrom or whatever
[12:35] <kuru> topyli: all my hdd's are scsi
[12:35] <topyli> kuru: oh :)
[12:35] <sleon_> Menaherann, or we could also try to make a connection other usb too
[12:36] <thoreauputic> kuru: your cdromsare scsi too?
[12:36] <kuru> thoreauputic: how does that help? I have 2 cdrom drives, one cdrw and another is dvd
[12:36] <kuru> thoreauputic: no they're not
[12:36] <kuru> thoreauputic: otherwise it would have been a lot more straight-forward ;)
[12:37] <topyli> kuru: you may have to revert to using scsi emulation for the cdrw
[12:37] <Menaherann> sleon, so i wolud have to give you acces to the whole network?
[12:37] <thoreauputic> kuru: :/ I'm just telling you what I did - I might have the link wrong butb I tracked down which link to point at which cdrom anf dvdd
[12:37] <sleon_> Menaherann, no
[12:37] <Menaherann> the  how do you plan to connect?
[12:37] <kuru> thoreauputic: since I have two CDROM drives, one goes to /media/cdrom1 and another /media/cdrom2
[12:38] <sleon_> Menaherann, can you descrive how is the usb network was working
[12:38] <kuru> thoreauputic: it makes the cdrom2 one is the CD writer
[12:38] <thoreauputic> kuru: those are just mount points
[12:38] <sleon_> Menaherann, which ip addresses the windows xp box has
[12:38] <sleon_> Menaherann, and which one the client used
[12:38] <kuru> thoreauputic: right, and the cdrom writer is called /dev/hdb
[12:38] <Menaherann> how do you plan to gain acces to the internet form htis laptop?
[12:38] <sleon_> Menaherann, 1) configure usb networking
[12:38] <sleon_> to have access other windows xp
[12:38] <kuru> I rmmod'ed sg and ide-scsi
[12:38] <thoreauputic> kuru: you need to point the *device* at /dev/hdd or /dev/hdb or whatever
[12:38] <kuru> i re-ran cdrecord -dev=ATAPI -scanbus
[12:38] <topyli> kuru: i see two options. somehow convince cdrecord to use atapi or use ide-scsi for hdb
[12:38] <sleon_> Menaherann, is it already configured?
[12:38] <kuru> I got the resuolts like I Expect
[12:39] <sleon_> on the windows xp side?
[12:39] <kuru> now it says: cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg1'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[12:40] <thoreauputic> kuru: sorry, but I fear you are not paying attention: you have broken your links - you need to redefine them
[12:40] <kuru> thoreauputic: i'm not only not paying attention, I have no idea what you're talking about ;)
[12:40] <topyli> kuru: how about dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 for the cdrecord command?
[12:41] <topyli> use the correct numbers of course
[12:41] <thoreauputic> kuru: also check if your grub bootloader has a line like ide-scsi - if so, get rid of it
[12:42] <kuru> topyli: ah.. werrrrrrrrrks
[12:42] <topyli> \o/
[12:42] <Yod4> Hello to the community
[12:42] <kuru> thoreauputic: i think topyli is the one who seems to understand my problem.. you're like, in la la land or something ;)
[12:42] <sleon_> Menaherann, can you respond more quickly?
[12:42] <topyli> kuru: i cheated and looked at the cdrecord man page
[12:42] <Menaherann> sorry
[12:42] <kuru> topyli: i've been looking at it for awhile
[12:42] <kuru> topyli: much appreciated though
[12:42] <thoreauputic> kuru: erm.. no, what I was saying worked for me here
[12:42] <ironwolf> sleon_: streamtuner FTBFS from archive, trying from source I got from link you gave me.
[12:43] <Menaherann> ok...
[12:43] <Menaherann> i don't follow the plan
[12:43] <thoreauputic> kuru: and I understood your problem
[12:43] <Menaherann> please specify
[12:43] <sleon_> query?
[12:43] <oscarh> does anyone know if it is possible to get javahl (subversion bining) as a .deb package?
[12:44] <sleon_> Menaherann, are you ignoring my query?
[12:45] <Menaherann> i don't follow
[12:45] <thoreauputic> kuru: the fact that you didn't follow me doesn't mean I'm crazy ;)
[12:45] <sleon_> Menaherann, do you know what query is?
[12:45] <Menaherann> nope
[12:45] <Menaherann> i guess
[12:45] <ironwolf> sleon_: even building from source it seg faults.  any clues?
[12:46] <sleon_> ironwolf, wow
[12:46] <sleon_> Menaherann, what are you using ?
[12:46] <sleon_> Menaherann, for chatting
[12:46] <ironwolf> sleon_, was hoping for more than wow... :)
[12:46] <sleon_> ironwolf, check agains what it is linked
[12:47] <ironwolf> sleon_: huh?
[12:47] <sleon_> ironwolf, ldd
[12:47] <sleon_> ironwolf, ldd `which streamtuner`
[12:48] <sleon_> ironwolf, check if there are Not Found libs
[12:49] <ironwolf> sleon_: found everything
[12:49] <sleon_> ironwolf, strace
[12:49] <sleon_> strace it
[12:49] <sleon_> and look for suspicious parts
[12:50] <Hwolf> Ugh. It's a major pain to move about 80 gig of data to a different partition if you only have 120 space in total
[12:52] <dud> sometimes, with problematic ubuntu debs segfaulting... i've experience that debian debs runs fine
[12:52] <dud> eg, nvidia-settings
[12:54] <ironwolf> sleon_: strace produced a 443k file, and it seemed to die while it was saying loading plugins, I have NFC what to look for in that file...where do I start?
[12:54] <sleon_> ironwolf, search from the segfault back
[12:55] <ironwolf> sleon_: what am I searching for?
[12:55] <sleon_> ironwolf, lucking files
[12:55] <sleon_> ironwolf, or lines with permission denied
[12:55] <sleon_> aka not found , permiison denied
[12:55] <ironwolf> lucking?
[12:55] <sleon_> lack
[12:55] <sleon_> sorry
[12:56] <sleon_> ironwolf, better do : strace -e open -o log streamtuner
[12:56] <ethanhunt007> anyone knows how t
[12:57] <dud> usually Bad Things(TM) happens at the end of an strace, so you could parse the log through tail if its insanely large
[12:57] <ethanhunt007> anyone knows how to config wireless network in ubuntu
[12:57] <ethanhunt007> anyone knows how to config wireless network in ubuntu!!!
[12:58] <ironwolf> ethanhunt007: yes
[12:59] <dud> first pasting a question, and seconds later repeating it with 3 exlamation marks, isnt a clever way to get help
[12:59] <ironwolf> sleon_: /usr/lib/python2.4/encodings/utf_8.so is a "No such file or directory" ... would that do it?
[01:00] <sleon_> ironwolf, it could have found it at alternative location
[01:00] <sleon_> in the nextlines
[01:00] <Phr0stByte> Thank goodness for alien! Got Maya installed!
[01:00] <ethanhunt007> can you help me ironwolf
[01:00] <zeedo> hey Phr0stByte
[01:00] <ethanhunt007> can you help me ironwolf
[01:00] <dud> hehe, alien is a nice piece of perl scripting
[01:00] <ethanhunt007> can you help me ironwolf?
[01:00] <ironwolf> ehtanhunt007: ask your question *once*
[01:00] <Phr0stByte> zeedo: hey
[01:00] <dud> stop repeating ok ethanhunt007?
[01:00] <ethanhunt007> GOT IT
[01:01] <dud> i'm sure tom cruise wouldnt repeate either
[01:01] <zeedo> dud: didnt see the second movie then ? :-D
[01:01] <ethanhunt007> that wasnt funnny dude, it was pretty lame
[01:01] <thoreauputic> ethanhunt007: you might try not shouting as well...
[01:01] <carambol> i get @at booting htis message: buffer i/O errors device hda5 ligical block 111472
[01:01] <dud> zeedo, haha, touch
[01:01] <carambol> wht htis mean?
[01:01] <zeedo> dud: :-P
[01:02] <carambol> what this mean and hof to fix it?
[01:02] <jbm> does ubuntu have some YAST like equivalent config program i can invoke from command line??
[01:02] <dud> carambol, try fsck'ing it?
[01:02] <carambol> ok
[01:02] <siimo> jbm: apt-get ?
[01:02] <carambol> brb
[01:03] <dud> yast is suse's control center? or package manager?
[01:03] <jbm> siimo: i was hoping for configuration stuff not installation. like my apache settings or do i need to just manually edit .configs?
[01:03] <jbm> dud: yes yast is both those things
[01:04] <dud> ubuntu being debian based, it lacks the point'n'click configuration that suse has
[01:04] <siimo> jbm: well for apache you may have to but most of the packages are configurable on install anyway or dpkg-reconfigure for main configs
[01:05] <jbm> siimo: thanks that answers that
[01:06] <Phr0stByte> Can anyone tell me how to fix this : root@UbuntuBox:/home/phr0stbyte # glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
[01:06] <Phr0stByte> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:06] <Phr0stByte> direct rendering: No
[01:06] <Phr0stByte> ?
[01:07] <topyli> jbm: i just use webmin for the few services i run
[01:07] <siimo> suse mandrake and fedora have graphical config utilities as far as i know and coughlinspirecough
[01:08] <jbm> ya i have run all of those distros, just started ubuntu tonight. looking around ;)
[01:08] <topyli> siimo: they don't have debconf, so you actually have to configure a lot of stuff there :)
[01:09] <siimo> i actually prefer manual editing of .conf files
[01:09] <siimo> thing i find hardest is adding and removing daemons on different runlevels
[01:09] <siimo> sysv-rc-conf is good for that
[01:10] <jbm> ya like in yast there is a runlevel editor and you just add deamons there and its easy you know
[01:10] <thoreauputic> siimo: re: linspire - they *have* made some contributions - the nvu html editor, for example
[01:10] <topyli> siimo: yeah, we have update-rc.d
[01:10] <siimo> apt-get install sysv-rc-conf
[01:12] <jbm> hmmm, looks like i have to go research adding apt repositories before i can install that package
[01:13] <topyli> jbm: probably uncommenting universe is enough
[01:18] <website> how can i say ot grep to see: argumen1 (every space) argument2?
[01:19] <linux_galore> website: grep argumen*  filename
[01:21] <linux_galore> website: are you after everything between two things
[01:21] <website> i can't since there are some lines using argument
[01:21] <website> i need to see argument (any character) argument2
[01:22] <linux_galore> website: gawk or sed is better at that
[01:22] <website> ok using sed
[01:23] <sincero> website: egrep 'arg1|arg2' filename
[01:23] <linux_galore> sed -n "^[A-Za-z] */,/www./p;/www/q"
[01:23] <linux_galore> something like that
[01:23] <website> uhm
[01:24] <linux_galore> gawk "{IGNORECASE=1}; /web:$/,/www.*/"
[01:24] <linux_galore> actually error on that sed
[01:24] <linux_galore> sed -n "/^[A-Za-z] */,/www./p;/www/q"
[01:24] <linux_galore> better
[01:25] <leggolaas> linux_galore: you here to mate ?
[01:25] <leggolaas> I was logging out when I found this one
[01:25] <linux_galore> basically thats starts with a character then ends with www the second www part means the first case of www found it stops
[01:25] <leggolaas> linux_galore: why arnt you on #slug ?
[01:26] <Lucien> Hey.
[01:26] <jbm> topyli: yes uncommenting universe allowed install thanks, what about flashplayer though apt still cant find one?
[01:26] <linux_galore> leggolaas: dont know havent looked yet someone having a row
[01:26] <Lucien> It seems I have some troubles with playing music ( mp3's ) on ubuntu.
[01:26] <ironwolf> what is EAGAIN when strace says "Resource temporarily unavailable" ?
[01:26] <kuru> cdrecord: faio_wait_on_buffer for writer timed out.
[01:27] <kuru> what does that mean? it's bombing out?
[01:27] <topyli> jbm: try apt-getting flashplugin-nonfree
[01:28] <leggolaas> linux_galore: do you know who I am ?
[01:28] <jbm> thx again!
[01:29] <Lucien> Hey, can someone tell me how to improve sound quality on ubuntu, it's not an hardware issue, I know that for sure. But the playback of music sounds awful. I have changed the repositories to hoary, so I already have the latest version. Is there a way to install the newest ALSA-drivers ?
[01:32] <topyli> Lucien: alsa works just fine, or at least playback shouldn't be "awful" because of that
[01:34] <Lucien> Yes, but the fact that it works with you doesn't mean I actually made a mistake, or whatever. It means that the distro doesn't provide the proper drivers. So, where can I download them ?
[01:34] <evarlast> Lucien: what kind of card?
[01:34] <LinuxJones> Lucien, if you card is working you have the correct drivers
[01:35] <Lucien> ATI IXP150.
[01:35] <Lucien> AC97.
[01:36] <Lucien> But why is the playback that awful then ?
[01:37] <evarlast> Lucien: I had volume control problems with my emu10k a while back.  Try messing with the volume controls?
[01:37] <evarlast> Lucien: also, try another player?  What does it sound like?  What player are you using?
[01:37] <Lucien> I am using every player that I can find via Synaptic.
[01:38] <goldfish> heh
[01:39] <evarlast> Lucien: wow.  that is a lot of players.
[01:40] <linux_galore> /meo O (does he have the right wing player)
[01:40] <Lucien> Ok, not every player..
[01:40] <Lucien> :P
[01:40] <Lucien> But Zinf, XMMS, Rhythmbox, and Totem (movie) player.
[01:42] <tor_> Does the ubuntu install cd for AMD64 boot in 64 bit mode? If so, does it have gcc runnable?
[01:44] <mjr> the latter is doubtful; gcc isn't even a default install
[01:44] <thoreauputic> tor_: don't know about the AMD64 version, but on Warty at leastyou have to apt-get install build-essential to have a working gcc
[01:45] <tor_> Ok. Do you know of any bootable cd that does?
[01:45] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hi
[01:45] <thoreauputic> tor_: probably knoppix
[01:46] <Ribs> I think even Gentoo's LiveCD would
[01:46] <thoreauputic> tor_: I seemto recall it included gcc by default
[01:46] <tor_> I couldn't find and 64 bit knoppix
[01:46] <Ribs> but let's not go there :)
[01:46] <tor_> I just came here from gentoo
[01:46] <Ribs> why do you need gcc?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> yes - gentoo without a compiler would be unthinkable ;)
[01:47] <tor_> Unfortunately the Gentoo LiveCd doesnt seem to have gcc available at boot
[01:47] <thoreauputic> tor_: this is where recovering gentoo people come ;) </joke>
[01:48] <tor_> Ribs: I want to see how my c code would work on AMD64
[01:48] <leggolaas> greetings ubuntians !
[01:48] <tor_> thoreauputic: ;-)
[01:48] <Ribs> tor_: without installing a base system first?
[01:48] <Ribs> hr
[01:48] <Ribs> m
[01:48] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: greetings, O most strange traveller, to this channel of odd humour
[01:49] <tor_> Preferably. I dont want to spend half a day just to try a little bit of code
[01:49] <topyli> should we take leggolaas to our leader now?
[01:49] <LinuxJones> tor_, it takes about 25 minutes to do an install
[01:49] <thoreauputic> I, for one, welcome our new overlord *grin*
[01:50] <LinuxJones> tor_, what are you running on there now ?
[01:50] <tor_> LinuxJones: Yes, but I would have to learn ubuntu...
[01:50] <tor_> LinuxJones: Gentoo :-)
[01:50] <LinuxJones> tor_, you know Gentoo ?
[01:50] <LinuxJones> tor_, you will have no problems at all
[01:51] <sleon_> how to prevent installer to copy the debs that where not installed to hdd?
[01:51] <topyli> tor_: you don't exactly "learn" ubuntu. if it doesn't work, you just file a bug :)
[01:51] <sleon_> during install
[01:51] <tor_> LinuxJones: Ok, I might try it. I assume there wont be and trouble installing on a specific partition.
[01:52] <no0tic> sleon_: say no to that question
[01:52] <LinuxJones> tor_, nope
[01:52] <sleon_> no0tic, there is no question in normal mode
[01:52] <sleon_> no0tic, only when i do it in expert mode ...
[01:52] <no0tic> sleon_: ah, I didn't know that
[01:52] <tor_> But I will kill someonw if it overwrites my MBR without asking first
[01:52] <sleon_> no0tic, maybe is there some bootoption?
[01:53] <LinuxJones> tor_, you can backup your MBR to floppy if your paranoid
[01:53] <thoreauputic> tor_: I think from memory, it asks - but run the expert install to be sure
[01:53] <Xappe> tor_ , yes it asks...at least when i did the warty install in november
[01:54] <leggolaas> has any ubuntian used ndiswrapper before ??
[01:54] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: almost certainly... not I , though...
[01:54] <leggolaas> thoreauputic: lol
[01:55] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:55] <leggolaas> thoreauputic: I dont blame you , but it's for a client of mine
[01:56] <sleon_> leggolaas, yes
[01:56] <LinuxJones> leggolaas, did you read the ndiswrapper howto on the wiki ?
[01:57] <sleon_> leggolaas, but under mandrake
[01:57] <sleon_> leggolaas, i will replace mandrke with ubuntu soon on that box
[01:58] <leggolaas> indeed I did dudes:)
[01:58] <leggolaas> did it require a complete recompile of the kernel ?
[01:59] <marcusT> Any chance to get Warty installed on a A8N-SLI Deluxe with RAID-0 as root?
[01:59] <leggolaas> LinuxJones: I did read as I do normally for these things
[02:01] <l3m> what's the root password on the livdcd?
[02:01] <evarlast> sleon_: have you replaced mdk with ubuntu elsewhere?
[02:01] <evarlast> l3m: did you try "root"
[02:02] <l3m> yes
[02:02] <l3m> it's not root nor ubuntu
[02:02] <thoreauputic> l3m: just do sudo -s
[02:02] <l3m> ok thanks
[02:02] <sleon_> evarlast, i don't have mandrake elsewhere to replace it :D
[02:02] <thoreauputic> should give you a root shell
[02:02] <dud> the root password is blank on the livecd isnt it?
[02:02] <l3m> worked :)
[02:02] <leggolaas> l3m: there shouldnt be one
[02:02] <evarlast> sleon_: ah.  I was curious, because I was not impressed with my mdk-> ubuntu switch.
[02:03] <sleon_> evarlast, the best thing is: ubuntu has much more packages then mdk
[02:03] <topyli> l3m: aren't you already root with the livecd
[02:03] <topyli> ?
[02:03] <sleon_> evarlast, and they are easier to install
[02:03] <evarlast> sleon_: really?  mdk contrib has many many packages!  :)
[02:03] <l3m> topyli: no. but sudo -s'ing helped :)
[02:03] <topyli> oh.
[02:03] <sleon_> evarlast, what is different by ubuntu  then on mdk?
[02:03] <thoreauputic> topyli: i think there's a root shell in themenu somewhere
[02:04] <topyli> yes
[02:04] <sleon_> evarlast, what is lacking?
[02:04] <thoreauputic> heh- kde I suppose ;)
[02:04] <leggolaas> mmmm guys , did ndiswrapper need a complete kernel compile when you did it ?
[02:04] <topyli> sleon_: a few annoyances :)
[02:04] <sleon_> topyli, and these are ? :D
[02:05] <evarlast> sleon_: it lacks a cd audio burning application.  I know gnome lacks a k3b equiv, but I was still surprised by this.  Also, my audio was detected poorly and incorrectly.  I was also surprised by the use of mozilla-proper rather than firefox, and there was a long list of packages which I had to install that mdk usually did for me.
[02:05] <evarlast> That said, the gnome experience on ubuntu is infinitely better than it is on mandrake.
[02:05] <sleon_> evarlast, like mp3 shitz?
[02:05] <sleon_> evarlast, which burning app are you using?
[02:05] <sleon_> on ubuntu?
[02:06] <evarlast> sleon_: ?  not mp3 shitz.  Just burning audio.  I ended up using cdrecord from command line.
[02:06] <thoreauputic> evarlast: umm... ubuntu uses firefox - what made you think it used mozilla?
[02:06] <sleon_> evarlast, is there no k3b for ubuntu?
[02:06] <topyli> sleon_: configuing draksec, fighting drakconf, cleaning up after the wizards, the stupid blue of the galaxy theme, RPM... for starters :)
[02:06] <sleon_> topyli :D
[02:06] <Xappe> evelast, check out graveman or gnomebaker for audio burning
[02:06] <topyli> :D
[02:07] <evarlast> thoreauputic: for some reason I have mozilla proper installed.  I'll have to check my logs to see if something required it.  gecko-sharp maybe?
[02:07] <sleon_> is there no k3b for ubuntu at all?
[02:07] <Xappe> yes there is
[02:07] <topyli> sleon_: actually i like mandrake, used it for years, ummm... since 7.0 or something
[02:07] <Guardiann> sleon_ you can install k3b
[02:07] <evarlast> sleon_: I don't think so.  See the audio burning howto on the wiki.
[02:07] <Xappe> sleon_, but it's a kde app and some people don't want to mix...
[02:07] <sleon_> Guardiann, can i easily install k3b and will it be properly configured?
[02:08] <sleon_> Xappe, a ok
[02:08] <thoreauputic> evarlast: I noticed it was installed - but so was firefox. Mozilla wasn't in the menu but when I apt-getb installed it it was already there...
[02:08] <Guardiann> sleon_ yes mine works fine
[02:08] <evarlast> exactly.  I didn't want 500MB+ of KDE libs just for k3b :)
[02:08] <Xappe> sleon_, a have it installed and working
[02:08] <sleon_> thx guys
[02:08] <evarlast> thoreauputic: somehow it got into my menu too!
[02:08] <thoreauputic> hmm... odd
[02:08] <sleon_> evarlast, really so much?
[02:08] <Guardiann> evarlast i didnt install 500mb
[02:08] <evarlast> 200mb then :)
[02:08] <Xappe> but i'll remove it if gnomebaker and graveman turns out ok
[02:08] <sleon_> evarlast, i will tell you how much more :D
[02:08] <leggolaas> thoreauputic: dude I take it ndiswrapper isnt very popular , since the #ndiswrapper room is dormant
[02:09] <evarlast> leggolaas: the ars linux guys have an ndiswrapper how-to IIRC
[02:09] <evarlast> leggolaas: but are you sure you need to use it?
[02:09] <sleon_> evarlast, it is very easy
[02:09] <sleon_> evarlast, you compile kernel module
[02:09] <sleon_> load it
[02:09] <Riddell> evarlast: kdelibs is certainly not 500MB
[02:09] <sleon_> then point ndiswrapper to the windows driver
[02:09] <sleon_> and it installs it
[02:10] <sleon_> err leggolaas
[02:10] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: I don't know, frankly - I don't know anything much about ndiswrapper except that it gets discussed in #debian a fair bit - but I wouldn't go there if you are thin-skinned ;)
[02:10] <Guardiann> Riddell no its not far from it
[02:10] <topyli> evarlast: i have no kde libs here. apt-getting k3b would download 25.1M and use 72.4M after install
[02:10] <resiak> You definitely shouldn't go into #debian and ask Ubuntu questions.
[02:10] <website> how can i say to sed to look only to foo insead of foobar?
[02:10] <evarlast> topyli: ah!  thanks, that is nothing!
[02:11] <Xappe> i have an apt problem with graveman right now though...i built it from source with apt-get source -b to get mp3 support but now apt wants to upgrade it to the one in the repos
[02:11] <thoreauputic> resiak: exactly
[02:11] <sleon_> evarlast, only a little more then nero
[02:11] <evarlast> website: use a forward looking zero length assertion ;)
[02:11] <thoreauputic> resiak would be right :)
[02:11] <evarlast> website: sed -e 'foo(?!bar)'
[02:11] <website> evarlast, i don't understand
[02:11] <Xappe> and locking the version in synaptic does not help
[02:11] <website> ok
[02:11] <evarlast> website: try that, I don't know if sed will understand the PCRE there
[02:12] <leggolaas> thoreauputic: :) thank you dude
[02:13] <leggolaas> thoreauputic: do they shoot it down over there ? :)
[02:13] <Xappe> even tried a 'sudo echo graveman hold | dpkg --set-selections' with no result
[02:13] <resiak> leggolaas: They shoot you down because Debian != Ubuntu.
[02:14] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: #debian is an interesting spectatorblood sport, if you enjoy that kind of thing ;)
[02:14] <evarlast> Xappe: your sudo is messed up there.
[02:14] <evarlast> echo graveman hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections   <-- is what you want me thinks
[02:14] <leggolaas> thoreauputic: ahhh I learnt how to swear , would that help :)
[02:14] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: lots of clued people though - I learnt much there :)
[02:15] <evarlast> #debian is a place to idle and learn.  not a place to chat.
[02:15] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: no, you needto speak fluent bash and awk ;)
[02:15] <leggolaas> thoreauputic: lol
[02:15] <topyli> Xappe: still fighting eh? I'd just build another package and give it version number 8.2 :)
[02:15] <leggolaas> how about perl ?
[02:16] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: that would get you brownie points for sure ;)
[02:16] <leggolaas> thoreauputic: :)
[02:17] <Frafraxy> i use ubuntu hoary
[02:17] <topyli> how do you curse in awk?
[02:17] <Frafraxy> what i must do for install ati driver for xorg?
[02:17] <leggolaas> thoreauputic: how do they take to ubuntu /? it's GNU !
[02:18] <topyli> Frafraxy: i think it's explained in the wiki. also at ubuntuguide.org
[02:18] <Xappe> evarlast: ah, now we're talking
[02:18] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: varies. Some are pro, but some just repeat "Ubuntu is not Debian!" ad nauseam...
[02:19] <resiak> leggolaas: I warned you.
[02:19] <topyli> Frafraxy: ah, not for xorg though, sorry
[02:20] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: bad case of "not invented here" , seems to me, although Ubuntu *is*off-topic, so they have a point
[02:20] <evarlast> Xappe: I'm surprised that 'sudo echo' was even working.  since echo is a built-in and not an external exec.  But your sudo was only on the echo... after the pipe is a different process, and that needs to be sudo'ed as well :)
[02:20] <evarlast> err... instead.
[02:20] <resiak> evarlast: There's an echo binary too.
[02:20] <Frafraxy> who can help me?
[02:21] <evarlast> resiak: I guess so.  I'm used to systems with no /bin/echo.
[02:21] <resiak> leggolaas: I haven't time to read the scrollback. What's the problem with ndiswrapper?
[02:21] <resiak> evarlast: Hell, there was a time when it wasn't a builtin at all! :O
[02:21] <thoreauputic> Frafraxy: your $DEITY, perhaps ;) ?
[02:21] <Xappe> evarlast, yes I should've noticed :)
[02:21] <evarlast> resiak: well of course :)  I'm sitll waiting for a builting of ls :)
[02:21] <Xappe> but it's working now though, so i'm happy
[02:21] <resiak> evarlast: echo *
[02:22] <evarlast> resiak: but the time it wasn't a builtin was LONG ago.  10yrs+
[02:22] <leggolaas> you guys reading the debian room ?
[02:22] <resiak> leggolaas: I'm happy to help, but on the right channel.
[02:22] <evarlast> resiak: lol.  I was thinking long format, but echo * is damn sweet :)
[02:22] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: not atm
[02:23] <resiak> thoreauputic: I'm doing exactly what I said I would.
[02:23] <resiak> leggolaas: What's not working?
[02:23] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: BTW, if you say "room" in #debian, you get flamed :)
[02:24] <thoreauputic> leggolaas: channel!
[02:24] <thoreauputic> hehe
[02:25] <_Hiro_> everything mounted in /media is no longer shown on my desktop in hoary, is there a fix for that?
[02:25] <stef65> _Hiro_, got the same problem
[02:26] <evarlast> room in reference to what?
[02:26] <stef65> It's something with the HAL
[02:26] <_Hiro_> stef65 did you do a dist-upgrade as well? :D
[02:26] <SerialNumber> Hello, everyone.
[02:26] <stef65> Yup
[02:26] <antich> hola, una pregunta. Hay algun canal de ubuntu en castellano?
[02:26] <thoreauputic> evarlast: as in  "the ubuntu room"
[02:26] <stef65> Try reinstalling the HAL
[02:26] <SerialNumber> I'd like to ask a question.
[02:27] <thoreauputic> SerialNumber: nobody does that here ;)
[02:27] <Bandit> SerialNumber ask away
[02:27] <thoreauputic> just go ahead :)
[02:27] <leggolaas> resiak: I have been writing to you mate
[02:27] <evarlast> thoreauputic: oh, I get it.  hehe.  I first did IRC about 10 years ago, so they have always been channels to me.  So I don't know what a room is :)
[02:28] <SerialNumber> I'm very n00b on Linux, and I installed Ubuntu yesterday. However, I need to install a few programs. So, what do I do with the .tar.gz file? It seems to be some kind of a variation to .zip, but it includes the program folders and not an installing program(Like we Windows-idiots usually do), so how do I get it working?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> evarlast: ah... I see... !
[02:28] <stef65> Somebody happen to know how to make the hal starup automatically again... Something is broken after dist-upgarde in Hoary
[02:28] <resiak> leggolaas: I see no messages.
[02:29] <LinuxJones> SerialNumber, what programs do you want to install ?
[02:29] <thoreauputic> SerialNumber: don't. Use the package manager - synaptic
[02:30] <thoreauputic> SerialNumber: it's in the menu
[02:30] <evarlast> what is the menu path?  Desktop->Administration->Synaptic?
[02:30] <Xappe> evarlast, yes
[02:31] <thoreauputic> evarlast: I'm in fluxbox- maybe someone in gnome can look...
[02:31] <LinuxJones> evarlast, Warty Computer >> System Configuration >> Synaptic Package Manager
[02:32] <thoreauputic> SerialNumber: .tar.gz is (usually) source code that needs to be compiled
[02:32] <leggolaas> resiak: stay in one place mate , please
[02:32] <evarlast> SerialNumber: and .tar.gz is used as a last resort.
[02:32] <Guardiann> evarlast on hoary its Desktop->Administration->Synaptic
[02:32] <thoreauputic> SerialNumber: which would be a bit hard and unecessary for you at this stage
[02:33] <thoreauputic> SerialNumber: there are literally thousands of packages available through synaptic
[02:34] <leggolaas> resiak: what's going down ? I say no one replies on the #ndiswrapper room
[02:34] <SerialNumber> Oh. Thank you for the information.
[02:34] <Xappe> heh, i've used hoary for too long. I forget that there is a warty too...
[02:34] <SerialNumber> I was speaking to my friend on phone to help HIM install Ubuntu too. XD
[02:34] <_Hiro_> will ubuntu use X.org from now on?
[02:35] <resiak> leggolaas: I'm not on #ndiswrapper.
[02:35] <thoreauputic> SerialNumber: lots of good info on ubuntulinux.org - and a search function: try a search on "synaptic"
[02:35] <LinuxJones> _Hiro_, one Hoary is released xserver-xfree86 will be no more
[02:36] <LinuxJones> SerialNumber, www.ubuntuguide.org is a great place to browse around as well
[02:36] <coobra_> if i want to burn dvd and images whats the best wey to do that ??
[02:36] <SerialNumber> Thanks.
[02:36] <LinuxJones> coobra_, right click the .iso file and select burn
[02:36] <stef65> Anybody can help me with this HAL and SMB stuff...? Need my drives showing on the desktop again...
[02:36] <leggolaas> resiak: hehehhe
[02:36] <_Hiro_> ok then I guess I better apt-get xserver-xorg now :)
[02:37] <leggolaas> resiak: no wonder you didnt reply !:)
[02:37] <LinuxJones> _Hiro_, Hoary has not officially been released, xorg is not used in Warty the current stable release.
[02:39] <_Hiro_> so I figured :) I upped to hoary because xfree kept freezing on me in warty :/
[02:40] <coobra_> LinuxJones:  heh ok not so hard... feels strange to burn windows on a ubuntu ;)
[02:40] <LinuxJones> _Hiro_, hope it works out for you
[02:40] <LinuxJones> coobra_, that's like a carnal sin :D
[02:40] <coobra_> :P
[02:40] <coobra_> bhha
[02:40] <coobra_> i hawe a client here
[02:41] <coobra_> rejoining
[02:42] <coobra> back
[02:42] <_Hiro_> haven't had a freeze yet, it seems somewhat firefox related though: 'hover of death' I've dubbed it
[02:46] <leggolaas> OK guys thank you all for your help, much appreciated :)
[02:47] <lucien> I have a decoder problem. I thought it was a sound problem, but it seems whole parts of mp3 songs are skipped while playing them.
[02:47] <leggolaas> later dudes
[02:50] <boaz> how do you install ant on warty?
[02:54] <johns_> boaz: apt-get install ant
[02:54] <boaz> from which repo?
[02:54] <johns_> guess it's in universe
[02:54] <boaz> Reading Package Lists... Done
[02:54] <boaz> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[02:54] <boaz> Package ant is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:54] <boaz> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:54] <boaz> is only available from another source
[02:54] <boaz> However the following packages replace it:
[02:54] <boaz>   libant1.5-java
[02:54] <boaz> E: Package ant has no installation candidate
[02:54] <webby> Hi guys. I'm really struggling with getting gtk-sharp-1.9.1 to install. the make process stops with errors about gapi_codegen.exe
[02:54] <tritium> what is ant?  It's not in Hoary.  I doubt it's in Warty.
[02:55] <webby> does anyone know anything about it?
[02:55] <boaz> java build tool
[02:55] <shock> I wish there would be more bb and fb themes ported to metacity *sigh*
[02:55] <tritium> okay, found libant
[02:55] <shock> I luv the look - but i like the metacity integration into gnome
[02:55] <shock> =)
[02:55] <boaz> I installed it
[02:55] <tritium> boaz, it's in universe in Hoary.  Same should go for Warty.
[02:55] <tritium> Oh.
[02:56] <boaz> bash: ant: command not found
[02:56] <tritium> boaz, did you "sudo apt-get install libant1.5-java"?
[02:56] <boaz> y.ah
[02:56] <thoreauputic> shock: you *could* use fluxbox as a window manager for gnome - tricky I guess
[02:57] <tritium> boaz, that should work, but just using "ant" won't work
[02:57] <boaz> ?
[02:57] <tritium> see my last comment
[02:57] <boaz> I know
[02:58] <boaz> this is post-install
[02:58] <tritium> You have universe listed in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[02:58] <tritium> Oh, you didn't say so earlier.
[02:58] <tritium> boaz, you asked how to install ant on Warty.
[02:58] <tritium> You didn't say you installed it already.
[02:59] <boaz> apparently I didn't insoall it
[02:59] <boaz> deosn't seem installed
[03:00] <tritium> boaz, "dpkg -L libant1.5-java" to find out what files it installed
 shock: you *could* use fluxbox as a window manager for gnome - tricky I guess <--- i know - not tricky
[03:02] <shock> but as i said - i like the integration of metacity
[03:02] <shock> :)
[03:02] <boaz> good idea
[03:03] <mhy> hi
[03:04] <mhy> does anyone know what the g5 support will be like in hoary?
[03:04] <tritium> mhy, try the array-4 LiveCD or install CD and find out
[03:04] <evarlast> mhy: g5?
[03:04] <Alessio> i have upgrade to hoary, but now openoffice's theme is very bad! small font, bad grey! Why???
[03:05] <Alessio> what can i do?
[03:05] <mhy> tierra|h: I've been booting the latest hoary live cd and on the imac g5 it can't find the cdrom and on the powerpc dual g5 it gets as far as detecting the graphics hardware then dies
[03:05] <tritium> Alessio, it probably installed openoffice.org-gtk-gnome
[03:06] <Alessio> i must remove it?
[03:06] <tritium> Alessio, no, nothing says you have to.
[03:07] <mhy> tritium: sorry, I meant that comment above for you
[03:07] <tritium> mhy, That was with array 4?
[03:07] <boaz> grrr, I think I have to install from source
[03:07] <tritium> boaz, unlikely
[03:07] <Alessio> not
[03:07] <Alessio> upgrade from warty
[03:08] <mhy> tritium: let me check
[03:08] <boaz> yeah, I thought so too
[03:08] <tritium> boaz, did you verify the files in the package?
[03:08] <boaz> yeah
[03:08] <Alessio> tritium, perfect :)
[03:08] <tritium> Alessio, if you want to remove the package, do so, but you don't have to.
[03:08] <Alessio> thank you
[03:08] <tritium> Sure.
[03:08] <boaz> it looks incomplete
[03:09] <Alessio> i have installed it.. and it's perfect
[03:09] <tritium> boaz, so "sudo apt-get install --reinstall libant1.5-java"
[03:09] <tritium> Alessio, okay, good.
[03:09] <boaz> I think there must be a reason it's called libant and not ant
[03:09] <tritium> boaz, it's a library
[03:10] <Alessio> i'm luck there's the chat..
[03:10] <boaz> except that it's not
[03:10] <boaz> it's a tool
[03:10] <Alessio> forum is very oppr of answer
[03:10] <website> ciao Alessio
[03:10] <Alessio> *poor
[03:10] <Alessio> hi webby
[03:10] <Alessio> hi website
[03:10] <Alessio> :D
[03:10] <tritium> Alessio, which did you do?  install, or uninstall the package?
[03:10] <Alessio> install
[03:11] <tritium> Okay.  :)
[03:11] <pussfeller> is there a package that has development tools for gedit
[03:11] <pussfeller> comment, indent, etc
[03:12] <boaz> is it ok to install a debian package?
[03:12] <boaz> or will that break my system
[03:12] <jdub> boaz: we discourage it
[03:12] <jdub> boaz: use universe and multiverse
[03:12] <evarlast> does anyone know why hoary has both python 2.3 and 2.4, rather than just 2.4, in the base install?
[03:12] <boaz> jdub: it's not in there
[03:13] <jdub> boaz: then it's generally best to figure out why
[03:13] <evarlast> hehe, I tried to report a bug in a universe package, and they just shut it down ;(
[03:13] <evarlast> or rather, I had the bug and the fix!
[03:13] <jdub> there will be a tracking system for universe soon
[03:13] <boaz> jdub: where can I get ant for ubuntu?
[03:14] <jdub> see if the source package exists, check why it doesn't build, etc.
[03:15] <coobra> ooooh
[03:15] <coobra> ubunto roxxxx
[03:15] <Guardiann> boaz are you talking about this Java based build tool like make -- library
[03:15] <boaz> yeah
[03:16] <Guardiann> its in your synaptic manager
[03:16] <Guardiann> its called libant1.6-java
[03:16] <boaz> It is intended for Debian developers to build Java packages
[03:16] <boaz> in main
[03:16] <boaz> Users should use the ant package from contrib instead!
[03:16] <boaz> ????
[03:18] <invictus> is the wireless network gnome applet gone in hoary?
[03:18] <webby> Hi folks. I'm trying to install gtk-sharp, but make fails on running gapi_codegen.exe (cannot open assembly gapi_codegen.exe) - any ideas?
[03:19] <Xappe> hmm... .exe sounds like windows
[03:19] <webby> Xappe, on linux mono uses .exe, .dll etc
[03:20] <mhy> tritium: I was on the previous release; I'm just burning the new one now; thanks
[03:20] <Xappe> webby, ok
[03:21] <tritium> mhy, I hope array 4 works better.  If not, will you file a bug report, or come back and let somebody know?
[03:21] <mhy> tritium: definately; we're trying to persuade people to migrate from os x here :-)
[03:21] <tritium> mhy, :)  Thanks!
[03:23] <tritium> invictus, no, the wireless applet is gone
[03:23] <evarlast> webby: is gapi_codegen.exe there?
[03:23] <evarlast> webby: warty or hoary?  gtk-sharp is in hoary iirc
[03:24] <LinuxJones> it's in Warty too in the Universe repo
[03:24] <webby> evarlast, yeah it's in the directory where it's looking
[03:25] <invictus> tritium; why? it was soo nice
[03:25] <evarlast> webby: is this a newer version than is in universe?  is it installed in the gac?
[03:26] <tritium> invictus, it was deprecated in Gnome.  Not an ubuntu decision.
[03:26] <webby> evarlast, I'm just using the hoary packages
[03:26] <tritium> invictus, I agree.  I liked it better than Network Monitor.
[03:27] <boaz> well, I just installed the ant from debian; lets hope my system doesn't explode! ;-)
[03:27] <boaz> thanks for the help guys
[03:27] <tritium> mhy, that's got to be harder than convincing people to migrate from windows
[03:28] <invictus> tritium: so when will we see a replacement? something that can do the job just as well...
[03:28] <occy> man... could someone help me find the synclient homepage  Where you can get info on the params?  I have googled and I can't seem to come up with anything.
[03:28] <occy> I WANT to RTFM, I can't find the M.
[03:29] <tritium> invictus, who knows?
[03:29] <tritium> invictus, you can check out thom's Network Manager package
[03:29] <boaz> ant seems to work now
[03:29] <boaz> yay!
[03:30] <arno> hello ubuntu users !
[03:31] <arno> booting from cd, what is the passwd for root?
[03:31] <tritium> there isn't one
[03:31] <djtansey> does anyone know how to get a package removed with its dependencies (meaning the stuff that was installed with it. i.e. kde-core gets rid of everything kde-core depended on)?
[03:31] <tritium> djtansey, you can take a look at deborphan
[03:32] <arno> ok, thank you ! bye!
[03:32] <tritium> I think synaptic can find orphaned packages too, can't it?
[03:32] <evarlast> djtansey: if you do that recursively you end up removing EVERYTHING.
[03:32] <djtansey> tritium: thanks. i don't know how synaptic does it though
[03:33] <tritium> sure
[03:33] <_mvo_> tritium: it can, just install deborphan and create a filter for it
[03:33] <mhy> tritium: same problems with array4 I'm afraid
[03:33] <djtansey> evarlast: well, find the packages it depended on that aren't depended on by other packages.
[03:33] <tritium> _mvo_, ah, okay.  I don't use it.  Thanks!
[03:33] <evarlast> djtansey: I had a script that calculated that on mandrake using rpm/urpmi.  I don't know apt/deb well enough. :)
[03:34] <mhy> tritium: I'll log this in bugzilla; thanks for your help
[03:34] <tritium> mhy, sorry.  Thanks for your help in filing the bugs.  I'm sure the developers will appreciate that.
[03:36] <scaroo> hi ppl ! the rhythmbox/ipod integration doesn t seem to work here. Is it aq known issue ? is there a workaround ?
[03:37] <eder> hola
[03:41] <flosch> hi
[03:44] <LinuxJones> arno, use sudo
[03:47] <da_bon_bon> anyone using array4 ?
[03:47] <Martok> Hey dudes check this out!
[03:47] <Martok> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20050207#1
[03:49] <tritium> Martok, jdub had linked to that in his blog
[03:50] <da_bon_bon> Martok: cool
[03:51] <Martok> Ubuntu is everywhere! Ah ha ha!
[03:52] <da_bon_bon> except on my desktop! :( i want hoary but cant get it
[03:52] <Martok> Ubuntu is still beating Mandrake at distrowatch!
[03:52] <Martok> I can wait until April.
[03:53] <altan> what's the keystroke to clear an input field?
[03:53] <jdub> Martok: elite! :)
[03:53] <[PoVal] Dutchy> is php5 in the package tree? i thought i read that somewhere but it doesnt show up with apt-cache search php
[03:53] <altan> the most frustrating thing about Linux or FreeBSD is that I can't select all and delete, since that clears my clipboard
[03:54] <altan> so I have heard there's a keystroke to clear any input field in X, can anyone tell me?
[03:54] <thesilverhand> da_bon_bon: why can't you get hoary?
[03:54] <da_bon_bon> thesilverhand: becoause i cant think of it - i am on a 33.6kbps modem
[03:55] <Martok> Holy crap man...
[03:55] <mhy> tritium: bugs submitted; thanks for the pointer to the newer cd
[03:55] <thesilverhand> da_bon_bon: makes sense then =)
[03:55] <da_bon_bon> thesilverhand: :))
[03:55] <evarlast> altan: ctrl-a;delete
[03:55] <Martok> da_bon_bon: Are you using a winmodem?
[03:55] <tritium> mhy, of course!  Thanks for doing that.  I hope the problem is resolved soon for you.
[03:56] <oem> hi I'm a linux newbie...just download ubuntu and really like it,both Look&feel:-) Just can't find a DVD writer program in it.Can you suggest some, which has a installation guide with it.I lost my windows and I need to write some dvd's immediatly
[03:56] <da_bon_bon> Martok: external.
[03:56] <Martok> Oh, ok.
[03:56] <Martok> That's cool.
[03:56] <da_bon_bon> oem: apt-get install k3b
[03:56] <tritium> oem, or graveman
[03:56] <Martok> I never got to use an analoge modem with GNU/Linux.
[03:57] <oem> ok trying..now
[03:57] <tritium> oem, k3b will install a bunch of kde libraries.  I'm not sure if that affects your choice.  Just FYI
[03:57] <da_bon_bon> oem: gnomebaker
 altan: ctrl-a;delete <--- but that selects the text and clears my clipboard :/
[03:58] <Martok> Yeah, I wouldn't want all those KDE libraries on my Gnome PC.
[03:58] <thesilverhand> [PoVal] Dutchy: php5 is in hoary
[03:58] <reijo01> hi, how do I reset a user's password after they have forgotten it? thanks
[03:58] <tritium> Martok, neither would I ;)
[03:58] <[PoVal] Dutchy> i have hoary...
[03:58] <altan> da_bon_bon: modem troubles?
[03:58] <evarlast> altan: I thought only mouse selects clear the clipboard.  sorry.
[03:58] <Martok> reijo01: At a root prompt type passwd <user>.
[03:58] <thesilverhand> [PoVal] Dutchy: try aptitude search php5
[03:59] <da_bon_bon> altan: yes, cable disconnected so for the forseeable future on a 33.6
[03:59] <altan> evarlast, it does work! thanks, but I thought there was just one key combo that did it
[03:59] <Martok> A 56k modem wouldn't be much more expensive.
[03:59] <[PoVal] Dutchy> that finds nothing
[03:59] <Martok> I saw a serial 56k modem for like $11 bucks at staples.com I think.
[03:59] <thesilverhand> hmm bring it up on my terminal...try apt-get update and then search
[03:59] <reijo01> Martok thx, i was able to do it with sudo passwd username
[03:59] <altan> ah, but you're not having trouble setting it up, are you?
[04:00] <Martok> reijo01: Ok, no problem.
[04:00] <Martok> I keep forgetting "sudo".
[04:01] <reijo01> funny, it says "Enter new UNIX password"
[04:01] <[PoVal] Dutchy> it still doesnt find it :)
[04:01] <oem> hmm looks like I don't have root permissions...I'm from turkey and Ive got some problems with keyboard too.I wrote my password with English layout heh:-)now I can't find the combination...I hate!!when do we all have a common language:-) ok gonna find another way
[04:01] <Martok> UNIX is a way of life.
[04:02] <tritium> oem, you could always reboot into single-user mode
[04:02] <oem> sorry but what is that?
[04:02] <oem> I log in as a user acount oem
[04:02] <oem> sudo passwd root
[04:03] <thesilverhand> hm I just searched and it comes up...what do you have in your souces.list?
[04:03] <oem> and change the pass
[04:03] <tritium> oem, in grub, select a kernel with the "recovery mode" option
[04:03] <jdub> oem: ew, don't do that :)
[04:04] <[PoVal] Dutchy> where is the sources.list again? i know i editted it for hoary but i dont know my way around in linux very well so i forgot where it is
[04:04] <tritium> [PoVal] Dutchy, /etc/apt/
[04:05] <oem> heh you'r not making fun with me do you ?:)...ok thanks all lets search google.
[04:06] <tritium> oem, no, just trying to help
[04:06] <tritium> if you're locked out, wanted to help you change your user password
[04:07] <[PoVal] Dutchy> i have 4 adresses in it with hoary main restricted
[04:07] <[PoVal] Dutchy> maybe it shouldnt be "restricted" ?
[04:08] <tritium> restricted is a repository
[04:08] <resiak> [PoVal] Dutchy: For finding files, man find; man locate;
[04:08] <thesilverhand> [PoVal] Dutchy: uncomment universe
[04:09] <thesilverhand> then apt-get update and search again
[04:10] <[PoVal] Dutchy> ah ok
[04:11] <vj> hello guys
[04:12] <vj> can someone help me uninstalling applications from ubuntu
[04:12] <rotundo> vj: whats the problem?
[04:12] <vj> hi rotundo
[04:13] <[PoVal] Dutchy> now it finds php5 :D thanks
[04:14] <lx> heya, can anyone help me to make a network between my Desktop, and Laptop (wireless).  With a brlkin router.  Both computers have UBuntu.
[04:14] <thesilverhand> no problems
[04:14] <lx> g
[04:14] <lx> i need help setting up my network
[04:14] <lx> i have laptop and desktop... both have ubuntu
[04:15] <lx> i don't know what to do so they see each other
[04:16] <Martok> Hmm,,,
[04:16] <Martok> A wireless network between them?
[04:16] <ubuntu> newbie asks: i'm new to ubuntu; how can I check the version I'm using?
[04:16] <vj> i installed qt parted, it shows in my system files but not in my application menu
[04:16] <vj> similarly with skype and firestarter
[04:16] <lx> the laptop is wireless... the desktop isn;t.. i am using a router
[04:16] <vj> it works when i click in system tools icon - QTParted
[04:16] <Martok> The version of Linux?
[04:16] <KING^^^> hello all , who knows why my my music is playing too fast ?
[04:16] <Haukkari_> ubuntu: if you mean the version of ubuntu, well, then, it's just hoary or warty
[04:16] <Haukkari_> ubuntu: most likely you have warty
[04:17] <ubuntu> i think it's hoary, but I want to find out for sure
[04:17] <Martok> Type "uname -a" at a console if you want to find out which version of Linux you're running.
[04:17] <jdub> KING^^^: using which player?
[04:17] <KING^^^> xmms
[04:17] <jdub> have you configured it to talk to esound?
[04:17] <Haukkari_> ubuntu: well, I'll have to check on my Ubuntu desktop, I dumped Ubuntu on my laptop. A moment
[04:17] <KING^^^> but ... it happend`s with other players too
[04:17] <wdh> does anyone here have any experience using qtparted, or other parted frontends, for resizen NTFS partitions??
[04:17] <jdub> KING^^^: yeah, have you configured it to talk to esound?
[04:18] <KING^^^> i don't know what u are talking about :)
[04:18] <ubuntu> it came back with "Linux WWR-55-1829 2.6.10-2-386 #1 Mon Jan 24 15:12:41 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux"
[04:18] <Haukkari_> ubuntu: oh, you could always check /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:18] <jdub> KING^^^: find the output setting in xmms preferences
[04:18] <Haukkari_> ubuntu: those sources'll have warty or hoary after those
[04:18] <ubuntu> so is WWR-55-1829 2.6.10-2-386 the version?
[04:19] <shock> i really want suspend support in default ubuntu!
[04:19] <shock> *grml*
[04:19] <shock> *cough*
[04:19] <lx> what do i do to make a network between my computers???  laptop (wireless) - desktop - router
[04:19] <Martok> That's the version of the Linux kernel you're running.
[04:19] <Xappe> if you have the 2.6.10 kernel, you're most likely on hoary
[04:19] <rotundo> ubuntu: thats the kernel version info.
[04:19] <KING^^^> i didn't find it jdub
[04:19] <jdub> shock: it's working nicely on quite a lot of hardware on hoary
[04:19] <jdub> KING^^^: look harder
[04:19] <thesilverhand> ubuntu: follow Haukkari's advice...open sources.list and see if it has warty or hoary repositories
[04:20] <Xappe> ubuntu: do a <ctrl>+<alt>+<F1> and the version should be right above the login prompt
[04:20] <KING^^^> can't find it jdub
[04:21] <Xappe> ubuntu: <ctrl>+<alt>+<F7> to get back to x
[04:21] <h4rryp0tt> molweni ubunties!
[04:21] <Haukkari_> lx: you'll have to set the IP addresses, if the wireless stuff works
[04:21] <tritium> ubuntu, "cat /etc/lsb-release"
[04:21] <ubuntu> sources.list mentions hoary
[04:21] <Martok> I assume "molweni" means hello?
[04:22] <vj> hello rotundo
[04:22] <lx> Haukkari_: how?  i am on the wireless laptop right now.. what do i do so it sees the desktop?
[04:22] <Simmo> thats the one
[04:22] <pikashu> HI all
[04:22] <vj> are you there
[04:22] <Simmo> in Xhosa
[04:22] <Martok> h4rryp0tt: Check this out! http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20050207#1
[04:22] <KING^^^> jdub: ...
[04:22] <Coily> id like to copy as much of the setup from my windows firefox setup, any best practices?
[04:22] <rotundo> vj: yes
[04:22] <pikashu> I've some problems with WIFI Prism ... someone could help?
[04:22] <vj> what should i do
[04:22] <Simmo> oooh
[04:22] <rotundo> vj: about what?
[04:22] <Haukkari_> lx: oh
[04:23] <vj> i just read on the net and did dpkg -r QTParted
[04:23] <Haukkari_> lx: so, umm... "sees the desktop". :)
[04:23] <rotundo> vj: you asked about remove packages, and then elaborated by mentioning some menu things
[04:23] <Martok> Coily: Like your bookmarks and stuff?
[04:23] <ubuntu> thanks all; i'm running hoary development release; fun fun fun
[04:23] <Haukkari_> lx: I really don't know your network configuration
[04:23] <vj> so i think now it is removed
[04:23] <rotundo> vj: in a root terminal you can type "apt-get remove <packagename>"
[04:23] <Martok> ubuntu: How'd you get the development release?
[04:23] <Haukkari_> lx: and I'm in a bit of a hurry... but basically you'll have to see the machines' ip addresses from some of the ubuntu menus
[04:23] <rotundo> vj: or you can open synaptic and remove it from there
[04:23] <Haukkari_> lx: and then try the connection between the machines from the other machine by pinging the other one. :)
[04:24] <Haukkari_> lx: that is, ping <ip address here>
[04:24] <ubuntu> i saw a link to it on digg, downloaded it, burned it an ran it; live cd
[04:24] <lx> Haukari_: ok...   ahhh
[04:24] <vj> yes, because i was able to start the application from system tools but not from the drop down menu -application-system
[04:24] <lx> Haukkari_: at least u gave me a start :)
[04:24] <Martok> I didn't know you could make 2 wifi cards talk to each other.
[04:24] <pikashu> I try to install usb stick AirVast Prism3 ... someone for help ? thx
[04:24] <vj> i removed it from apt-get-synaptics
[04:24] <rotundo> vj: so you wanted to remove it because it wasn't in the right menu location for you ?
[04:24] <Coily> bookmarks, history, form password/google search, user.js, plugins; everything
[04:25] <ubuntu> thanks all; bye
[04:25] <pikashu> :(
[04:25] <vj> and loaded it again, but this time there was no icon in the application dropdown list under system tools
[04:25] <Haukkari_> lx: yeah. =) To start file sharing you'll have to start samba and I only know the "complicated" console way, not the ubuntu way. But try to make it work. Gotta go now, bye. :)
[04:25] <rotundo> vj: apt-get and synaptic are two different programs... they are front ends to the package system (the methof of installing/removing software)
[04:25] <rotundo> vj: I see, now I understand what you are trying to do....
[04:25] <pikashu> someone can help me ? :(
[04:25] <Martok> Coily: Whoa, that's some stuff I don't know how to do. I always clear my history/password stuff.
[04:25] <pikashu> UP
[04:26] <Martok> Coily: But you can export your bookmarks easily.
[04:26] <pikashu> snif snif ...
[04:26] <Coily> id really like to copy my plugins most of all (if possible)
[04:26] <pikashu> hi zerotime
[04:26] <Martok> I don't know if you can just copy them like that.
[04:26] <pikashu> hi Coily
[04:27] <zerotime> hi, I have installed xmms, and the menus fonts are huge, it happens also with the menu in xmms
[04:27] <zerotime> how can I fix it
[04:27] <zerotime> and xmule as well
[04:27] <pikashu> Ubuntu & WIFI ?? possible ?
[04:27] <Martok> pikashu: Yes.
[04:28] <Coily> anyone?
[04:28] <pikashu> cool Martok
[04:28] <pikashu> can u help me ?
[04:28] <vj> well rotundu, when i load the software again from synaptic, it does not show up
[04:28] <vj> but i can find it in system tools from the console
[04:28] <zerotime> Martok, my menus in hoary dont get updated on newly install applications
[04:28] <pikashu> have some errors
[04:28] <vj> hello
[04:28] <pikashu> hi vj
[04:28] <zerotime> is there any way to update them?
[04:28] <Martok> pikashu: No, I can't personally help you because I'm pretty new myself. But... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[04:29] <Martok> zerotime: ?
[04:29] <chrissturm> hey
[04:29] <zerotime> yes, for instance, I just installed xmms, and in gnome menus, xmms is not there
[04:29] <KING^^^> so ... nobody can help me ? why my music runs too fast ?
[04:29] <zerotime> I wonder why
[04:30] <Martok> zerotime: Restart your X session.
[04:30] <Coily> hm, what about updating firefox? will i have the same functionality in .9.3
[04:30] <tritium> _mvo_, how is update-notifier supposed to work?  Do I need to run it in the background, and save my session on log out?
[04:30] <Martok> zerotime: It'll be there when you get back.
[04:30] <rotundo> KING^^^: does it run too fast in all players?
[04:30] <zerotime> Martok, the other problem I got, is
[04:30] <sator> king> got a webcam cinnected?
[04:30] <jdub> tritium: it will be automatically run in the session
[04:30] <KING^^^> yes rotundo
[04:30] <rotundo> KING^^^: is it just MP3's or all music type
[04:30] <chrissturm> i have 3 computers running ubuntu here, and i would like to share my calendars and contacts between them. how do i best accomplish this?
[04:30] <KING^^^> all music type rotundo
[04:31] <zerotime> that I just installed xmule, and xmms, and the menus of both have very big fonts, unlike the rest of the system
[04:31] <Martok> zerotime: The suspense is killing me.
[04:31] <zerotime> is there anyway to fix it
[04:31] <rotundo> KING^^^: so basically all sound on your computer is playing 'too fast' ?
[04:31] <tritium> jdub, oh, hmm.  Okay.
[04:31] <Martok> zerotime: That's because XMMS is based on some older version of gtk.
[04:31] <_mvo_> tritium: basicly yes, just start it (via ALT-F2) and save the session on logout. it's also in the default session now, but you only get the default session if you had no session before
[04:31] <KING^^^> no , just my music
[04:31] <KING^^^> wait ... i thing all music
[04:32] <zerotime> Martok, how then to fix it up?
[04:32] <sator>  KING^^^: used to have the same prob when webcam is plugged in
[04:32] <Martok> zerotime: Try "sudo apt-get install beep-media-player"
[04:32] <tritium> _mvo_, ah, that makes sense with my experience.  Thanks.
[04:32] <KING^^^> i don't have a webcam
[04:32] <Martok> zerotime: You'd have to recode it yourself (XMMS).
[04:32] <Martok> As far as I know.
[04:32] <sig_ubuntu> whats the latest stable kernel that comes with warty?
[04:32] <jdub> KING^^^: it's most likely because you're playing through esound, and esound hasn't correctly detected the rate for your hardware
[04:32] <low> hi there
[04:32] <sig_ubuntu> for i686?
[04:33] <jdub> sig_ubuntu: 2.6.8.1
[04:33] <Coily> is it possible to disable root password? im the only one who uses this comp, but id still like to use sudo (for now)
[04:33] <jdub> Coily: passwd -l root
[04:33] <tritium> jdub, was it using recovery mode you were advising against earlier, or enable the root account?
[04:33] <zerotime> the beep media player absolutely rocks
[04:33] <zerotime> cool
[04:33] <Martok> Yeah!
[04:33] <jdub> tritium: enabling the root account
[04:33] <Martok> I kinda have a weird problem with it though...
[04:33] <tritium> jdub, Thanks, just wanted to clarify.
[04:33] <KING^^^> jdub: what should i do ?
[04:34] <sig_ubuntu> where can I go change the kernel boot order graphically?
[04:34] <Martok> The play list buttons are kinda weird.
[04:34] <Coily> jdub: thanks
[04:34] <Martok> zerotime: Is it weird on your computer too?
[04:34] <_mvo_> tritium: your welcome :) note that the update-notifier may have problems right now detecting changes (when you install/remove software). gamin (filter alteration stuff) is not 100% reliable in the current hoary version
[04:34] <_mvo_> s/filter/file/
[04:34] <zerotime> they are ok in mien
[04:34] <zerotime> mine
[04:34] <Martok> Ok.
[04:35] <Martok> Well, I'm glad it works on your computer.
[04:35] <zerotime> it really does
[04:35] <zerotime> very nice ipod/zen looking skin
[04:35] <tritium> _mvo_, no problem.  I understand. :)
[04:35] <Martok> Yes, Debian is cool.
[04:35] <sig_ubuntu> can anyone tell me where I can change kernel boot order graphically in ubuntu?
[04:36] <ent011> can anyone tell me which linux certification is best for learning about linux?
[04:36] <zerotime> how to enable root acount
[04:36] <tritium> sig, you mean you want to edit your grub settings using a GUI?
[04:36] <Martok> beep-media-player is just a prettier version of XMMS by the way.
[04:36] <zerotime> each time I want to fix xserver I have to reboot
[04:36] <zerotime> i need to enable root acount
[04:36] <Xappe> sudo passwd root
[04:37] <tritium> zerotime, can't you use "sudo -s -H" instead?
[04:37] <Xappe> i think
[04:37] <zerotime> well, I am very used to do su and psswd
[04:37] <zerotime> so I rather like it
[04:38] <zerotime> rebooting
[04:38] <lx> Do i have to use SAMBA to make my computers fileshare... even if they are both using ubuntu?
[04:38] <tritium> zerotime, I was too, before.  Now, I use sudo -s -H.  You might give it a try.
[04:38] <arachne> lx: no, you can use NFS
[04:38] <wdh> lx: you could try nfs as well
[04:38] <Nafallo> anyone know why my laptops loads parport?
[04:38] <Nafallo> it haven't got one ffs ;-)
[04:38] <lx> should i use samba ir NFS?
[04:38] <tritium> Nafallo, you can edit it out of /etc/modules
[04:39] <arachne> lx: NFS is the ancestral network file system of unix, and samba comes with windows
[04:39] <Nafallo> tritium: yes, but is that a sane default for a laptop?
[04:40] <lx> arachne:  ok, thanks for info.. i will try NFS
[04:40] <tritium> Nafallo, I had assumed it was auto-detected, but if you say you don't have a parallel port, then I don't know...
[04:40] <shock> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=65116#post65116 <-- would someone please try and confirm this (hoary and xorg needed)
[04:40] <Martok> I love Ubuntu!
[04:40] <sig_ubuntu> me too
[04:40] <sig_ubuntu> :)
[04:40] <Martok> I love an operating system, is that wrong?
[04:40] <Martok> If that's wrong, I don't wanna be right.
[04:41] <low> c ya
[04:41] <arachne> lx: install nfs-kernel-server and tune your /etc/exports, on the client just mount -t nfs remote_server:/path/to/my/nfs/mount/ /mnt/mountpoint
[04:41] <sig_ubuntu> I just wanto know how to make the i686 kernel default
[04:41] <tritium> sig_ubuntu, in grub?
[04:41] <shock> seriously - could anyone try and confirm my post?
[04:42] <chrissturm> sig_ubuntu: install the i686 kernel, reboot, remove the i386 kernel
[04:42] <shock> its about a way to increase the speed of the redraw events in gnome
[04:42] <shock> and it works great for me
[04:42] <shock> so i want to share
[04:42] <lx> arachne: doing it now, ty
[04:42] <sig_ubuntu> chrissturm: using what?
[04:42] <sig_ubuntu> synaptec?
[04:43] <Martok> I have a fear of installing kernels when I already have a running system.
[04:44] <wdh> Martok: why is that?
[04:44] <chrissturm> sig_ubuntu: whatever you want, synaptic or  apt-get or aptitude :)
[04:44] <zerotime> how can I know what xserver I got installed?
[04:44] <chrissturm> sig_ubuntu: but boot to the i686 kernel :)
[04:44] <Martok> wdh: I'm kinda afraid it'll kill my system. I've had bad experinces doing that.
[04:44] <chrissturm> zerotime: if you run warty its xfree if you run hoary its xorg
[04:44] <zerotime> ok as simple as that
[04:45] <Martok> Wait a second, you can just apt-get install kernel?!
[04:45] <chrissturm> shock: i think this post is ppc only, right?
[04:45] <wdh> Martok: when you do not trow away your old kernel you will always be able to boot back into the last one..
[04:45] <Martok> kernel being example.
[04:45] <Martok> Hmm...
[04:45] <tritium> sig_ubuntu, you can use the "savedefault" option in grub.
[04:45] <Martok> So, you just remove the old one and put in a new one?
[04:45] <wdh> Martok: just make sure they're both in your grub menu..
[04:45] <chrissturm> martok: you can have multiple kernels installed
[04:45] <chrissturm> install a new one
[04:46] <Martok> Whoa!
[04:46] <chrissturm> and if it runs for you you can remove the old one
[04:46] <Nafallo> tritium: I bug -devel about that parportissue then ;-).
[04:46] <Martok> And how do I install and, remove these kernels?
[04:46] <chrissturm> so, whats the best way to share calendars between computers? an ical server?
[04:47] <tritium> Martok, like any other package
[04:47] <Martok> Whoa...
[04:47] <chrissturm> martok: sudo apt-get install linux-image-686
[04:47] <Martok> Holy moly.
[04:47] <Martok> Wouldn't I want to edit it though? How will it know what I have?
 shock: i think this post is ppc only, right? <-- no actually it not
[04:48] <shock> just tried it on 386
[04:48] <shock> same thing
[04:48] <mjt> any idea why console i10n (/etc/init.d/console-screen.sh, /etc/console-tools/config) may not work on ALL /dev/ttyNs but on tty1 only?  On tty1 everything is ok, but on ttyN (N>1) some non-ascii chars are missing.
[04:48] <chrissturm> shock: but for i386 i use the ati drivers, and they have a different setup
[04:49] <tritium> Martok, the kernels have all the hardware compiled as modules, so it will load only the modules needed for your hardware.
[04:49] <tritium> well, not ALL, but you know what I mean
[04:49] <Martok> tritium: Ohhhh! Thanks.
[04:49] <wdh> Martok: you could install the kernel-source package iirc.. and use make menuconfig or make xconfig to edit what is included
[04:49] <Martok> Oh, ok.
[04:50] <wdh> gives you some insight in what the kernel actually does as well..
[04:50] <tritium> But, if using a stock ubuntu kernel is good enough for jdub, why not for you or me?
[04:50] <tritium> Unless you have specific needs, of course.
 - the important part is appearantly not the driver, but the     		Option		  "backingstore" "true" option
[04:51] <tritium> Martok, :)
[04:52] <Martok> Huh?
[04:52] <chrissturm> shock: if thats the case you could mention it in your post :)
[04:52] <Martok> tritium: Oh, I didn't know you were talking to me.
[04:52] <shock> just edited it
[04:53] <Martok> I'm going to be installing a wireless keyboard and mouse soon, so I need to install a new kernel anyway.
[04:53] <jdub> ...
[04:53] <jdub> why?
[04:53] <tritium> Martok, it was a general comment.  It's just cool to see you excited about things.
[04:53] <Martok> Heh...
[04:54] <Martok> jdub: Well, I assumed I would because when I tried to use my serial mouse in Ubuntu it wouldn't move.
[04:54] <jdub> you don't need to rebuild your kernel
[04:54] <Martok> So I'd have to edit my kernel for it to work.
[04:54] <shock> ok  - comitted the changes
[04:54] <jdub> you need to load a driver
[04:54] <jdub> rebuilding kernels is for children
[04:54] <jdub> and the paranoid
[04:54] <Martok> I'm still a child at heart. Haha.
[04:54] <Martok> Yeah, I'm paranoid.
[04:55] <searcher`> jdub: and people that need updated aic79xx drivers from Adaptec :-)
[04:55] <Martok> And obsessive compulsive.
[04:55] <chrissturm> jdub: and for gentoo users :)
[04:55] <jdub> Martok: you almost certainly need to load 'sermouse'
[04:55] <jdub> chrissturm: covered by 'children'
[04:55] <Martok> jdub: How would I go about doing that?
[04:55] <jdub> Martok: modprobe sermouse
[04:55] <jdub> Martok: or add it to /etc/modules
[04:55] <jdub> for persistent kernel module love
[04:56] <Martok> Jeez, I keep forgetting this stuff.
[04:56] <Nafallo> jdub: who shall I bug about modules for hardware not availible being loaded?
[04:56] <jdub> Nafallo: you could file a bug
[04:56] <Martok> jdub: Do you know where I could find a hardware compatibility list for Linux?
[04:56] <jdub> Martok: google is the HCL for linux (quite seriously)
[04:56] <Nafallo> jdub: oki. then it's a bug then. I wasn't quite sure ;-).
[04:56] <jdub> Nafallo: it might not be :)
[04:57] <Martok> jdub: Arigato.
[04:57] <evarlast> the kernel source is a better HCL :)
[04:57] <Nafallo> jdub: gameport and parport. should they be bugs? ;-)
[04:57] <Martok> evarlast: I'm not a programmer, heh.
[04:58] <jdub> Nafallo: yes, but i don't think they're usefully and reliably fixable
[04:59] <pikashu> Martok can u help for ndiswrapper ?
[04:59] <pikashu> thx :)
[04:59] <Martok> pikashu: I don't have a wireless card for my desktop, nor have I ever used ndiswrapper.
[04:59] <sig_ubuntu> I'm baffled why the latest kernel for me is this one.....
[04:59] <sig_ubuntu> Linux idaho 2.6.7-1-686 #1 Fri Aug 13 05:58:22 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:59] <sig_ubuntu> there seems to be no 2.6.8-i686
[04:59] <Nafallo> jdub: thankfully, that's not my headache ;-)
[05:00] <pikashu> Martok : :( thx
[05:00] <Martok> pikashu: The how-to didn't help?
[05:00] <pikashu> someone use WIFI on Ubuntu ?
[05:00] <pikashu> thx
[05:00] <jdub> sig_ubuntu: apt-get install linux-686
[05:00] <pikashu> Martok : nope ... :(
[05:00] <evarlast> The kernel source Documentation/ directory is a pretty good HCL too :)
[05:00] <sig_ubuntu> jdrowell: will that be the default?
[05:00] <pikashu> Martok : I'm looking for Ndiwrapper-utils
[05:01] <pikashu> Martok : Can't find it
[05:01] <Martok> Did you install it?
[05:01] <lunitik> sig_ubuntu: linux-686 is a meta package that brings in the most up to date kernel... makes it easy to upgrade later too...
[05:01] <tritium> pikashu, "sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils"
[05:01] <Martok> pikashu: Also, read the comments. Somebody else had trouble finding it.
[05:01] <sig_ubuntu> lunitik: will this be the default kernel once it's installed?
[05:02] <tritium> sig_ubuntu, I've explained how to make it the default
[05:02] <lunitik> sig_ubuntu: yes... once you restart...
[05:02] <pikashu> Martok : comment ?
[05:02] <lunitik> sig_ubuntu: note jdub meant 'sudo apt-get install linux-686' ...
[05:02] <lunitik> sig_ubuntu: upgrade from sarge?
[05:02] <pikashu> Martok : can't find ndiswrapper-utils package
[05:03] <lunitik> sig_ubuntu: afaik, Ubuntu never had a 2.6.7  :/
[05:03] <sig_ubuntu> lunitik: I got it from synaptec
[05:03] <sig_ubuntu> I've never used sarge
[05:03] <tritium> sig_ubuntu, you can use the "savedefault" option in grub to have any installed kernel be the default.
[05:04] <sig_ubuntu> ok thanks guys
[05:04] <lunitik> pikashu: its in hoary... not sure if its in warty...
[05:06] <Martok> Sorry, I was AFK.
[05:06] <neofeed> Is there some ubuntu developer chan?
[05:06] <Martok> pikashu: Read the second comment on the ndis-wrapper howto
[05:07] <tritium> neofeed, most questions should be asked here
[05:07] <Martok> Or the third comment, that one looks good.
[05:07] <lunitik> neofeed: #ubuntu-devel
[05:07] <larsrohdin> hi, i upgraded my bittornado and i saw in the list that was flashing by that it removed eg. my gdm and alot of gnome stuff... my synaptic doesn't work anymore... what happened?
[05:07] <neofeed> lunitik, serious? ;)
[05:08] <lunitik> neofeed: no... I'm kidding  :/
[05:08] <tritium> larsrohdin, you did a dist-upgrade?
[05:08] <neofeed> tritium, I just want to have some serious channel to discuss some internal problems.
[05:08] <lunitik> neofeed: #ubuntu-devel isn't for help...
[05:08] <_mvo_> larsrohdin: be carefull when you run hoary. always check the "to-be-removed" stuff in the summary window
[05:08] <lunitik> Most of the devels are in here also  :/
[05:09] <neofeed> lunitik, I'm not asking for help :P
[05:09] <tritium> larsrohdin, always check what it's going to do before you let it
[05:14] <CreeVal> you've gotta love unsecure homenetworks... :)
[05:15] <low> howdy
[05:15] <low> i need some help with raid install (using lastest devel iso)
[05:15] <low> latest, even
[05:16] <low> partmon keeps complaining it can't find any MD partition
[05:16] <low> is ti a known bug ?
[05:16] <low> s/ti/it
[05:16] <shock> no clue about raids /
[05:22] <wm_eddie> ok, where can I find instructions on how to use the network-admin program correctly.
[05:24] <LesleyB> doesn't sudo work with this wm_eddie?
[05:25] <Adler> Hi - I've got a dual boot system with XP Home and SuSE 9.2 Pro. I want to put Ubuntu on the Windows D: Drive, which I've just formatted using NTFS. I've got the UBUNTU Install disk, which was sent to me. I'm pretty sure that I can install it, but my worry is the MBR or booting into some type of screen that always me to select which OS I want to use. Any help?
[05:27] <wm_eddie> Adler, Ubuntu installs grub by default.
[05:27] <wm_eddie> and allows you to boot into windows.
[05:27] <larsrohdin> hi, can someone please tell me what the program to the right in this picture is called? the one with the big S on it... http://www.fluxbox.org/zoom.php?themes/sid/aleczapka_fluxcarnation.jpg
[05:28] <low> larsrohdin: gkrellm prolly
[05:28] <larsrohdin> low, ok thanks
[05:29] <wm_eddie> wow, that's a pretty good looking gkrellm
[05:29] <low> wm_eddie: i think it is gkrellm, at least i can't find of any other app
[05:30] <low> s/find/think
[05:30] <Xappe> Adler, you should be able not to let the grub install overwrite your mbr and then edit your present bootloader in suse to include ubuntu
[05:30] <wm_eddie> Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's gkrellm too...
[05:30] <LesleyB> yep i looks like gkrellm to me too
[05:30] <wm_eddie> ...
[05:30] <wm_eddie> fluxbox
[05:31] <wm_eddie> it says it in the url :p
[05:31] <Adler> Eddie - SuSE does the same thing. I looking at a tri-boot set-up. I want to be able to select my OS. Right now SUSE is the default OS. I plan on doing some things with UBUNTU that seem to be a little easier with this OS e.g. Beagle, I kade the SuSE GNOME DEsktop, APT / Synaptic is native, etc. I want to play ith it first. The LIVE CD doesn't allow me to save my changes and I thought that an install would be better.
[05:31] <LesleyB> lol
[05:31] <wm_eddie> it's really minimal, pretty nice.
[05:31] <larsrohdin> LesleyB, thats fluxbox, and im trying to make it look that way=) does anyone know what the fonts in that screenshot is called?
[05:31] <chrissturm> wasnt there talk a week ago about beagle landing in hoary universe?
[05:32] <Martok> Yeah, fluxbox is pretty cool.
[05:32] <rotundo> can someone help with a problem, a fresh ubuntu install AC97 sound card, and all sounds are playing too fast
[05:32] <LesleyB> larsrohdin, it reminds me of one in enlightenment but I can't remember what it's called
[05:32] <Martok> I had that problem once, with SuSE.
[05:33] <LesleyB> Adler I;ve been thinking about adding Ubuntu to my XP/Suse box as well
[05:33] <evarlast> chrissturm: the guys from arslinux built beagle for hoary.  checkout www.arslinux.com
[05:33] <LesleyB> I had to think a bit about what partitions to allow Ubuntu to see
[05:33] <wm_eddie> hmm, I've never tri-booted before...
[05:33] <Martok> LesleyB: Why not make your XP/SuSE box an Ubuntu box?
[05:33] <chrissturm> thx evarlast :)
[05:34] <LesleyB> because I need XP, I'm used to SuSE and I have Ubuntu installed on another box already Martok
[05:34] <Adler> Ok, A written a reply here, but it didn't quite make it to the board. I'll try again
[05:34] <Martok> You need XP? For what?
[05:34] <LesleyB> *and* I *finally* got my alcatel 330 (silver rev2) up and running on it
[05:34] <chrissturm> evarlast: where do i find it there?
[05:34] <LesleyB> never you mind, Martok ;-)
[05:34] <wm_eddie> Martok: various things, like games :p
[05:34] <Martok> And SuSE is just a differen't desktop, same Linux.
[05:35] <dr_willis> "Need for XP = Need for Games"
[05:35] <dr_willis> :P
[05:35] <Martok> wm_eddie: Games?
[05:35] <Martok> Games?!
[05:35] <LesleyB> rofl dr_willis
[05:35] <BiteMeBill> the need.. is that like an addiction?
[05:35] <Martok> Games are for children...
[05:35] <wm_eddie> Martok: yeah, it's like an addiction
[05:35] <evarlast> chrissturm: click "whiprush" from the list of users, and scroll back, he has a blog entry about it, from about 1-2 weeks ago
[05:35] <dr_willis> BiteMeBill,  yep - ya got it right.
[05:35] <shock> does anyone here know a tool to concattenate 2 parts of a movie? like "cd1.mpg"+"cd2.mpg" = "whole_movie.mpg" ?
[05:35] <wm_eddie> Martok: we are all in touch with our inner child.
[05:35] <rotundo> so none knows have to slow down the sound output?
[05:35] <LesleyB> try java shock
[05:35] <Adler> I want to keep XP and SuSE and play with UBUNTU. Installing it and getting the boot sequence right or how to alter my MBR
[05:35] <larsrohdin> i upgraded to hoary yesterday... what version-number is the latest?
[05:35] <Martok> wm_eddie: Yeah, well my inner child knows that games are for children.
[05:35] <shock> java O_o
[05:35] <LesleyB> that's the only way that syntax might stand a chance of working
[05:36] <LesleyB> how is hoary larsrohdin?
[05:36] <shock> u meant maja ?
[05:36] <LesleyB> did I say you could do that, dr_willis?
[05:36] <LesleyB> ;-)
[05:36] <larsrohdin> how?
[05:36] <LesleyB> is it stable ?
[05:36] <wm_eddie> But seriously, I've never really needed Windows for anything other than games.
[05:37] <larsrohdin> dunno... im not exactly a hacker, but so far so good=)
[05:37] <LesleyB> it depends wm_eddie ... sometimes I still get stuff in doc format *and* have to use doc format to reply
[05:37] <wm_eddie> except now I'm working on trying to port a program from gnome to Windows.
[05:37] <Adler> Does anyb ody have a tri-boot set-up
[05:37] <shock> apt-cache search concat movies
[05:37] <larsrohdin> how can i check my version of ubuntu?
[05:37] <shock> darn
[05:37] <LesleyB> ooffice is ok on the doc format but I don't yet trust it enough for the output
[05:38] <LesleyB> preceisely wm_eddie
[05:38] <wm_eddie> Adler: I'm sure ubuntu will keep your current grub.conf intact and add Ubuntu to it.
[05:38] <wm_eddie> maybe..
[05:38] <LesleyB> there's now a lot of nice freeware out there for windoze
[05:38] <shock> narf... i dont want 2 700 mb files!
[05:38] <shock> *grml*
[05:38] <LesleyB> even a LaTeX thang for those of us so inclined
[05:38] <LesleyB> I don't have one yet Adler
[05:38] <wm_eddie> LesleyB: Eh, when I'm in windows I just use all the programs I use in linux, (Firefox, gaim, xchat, etc...)
[05:38] <LesleyB> but I will do next month maybe
[05:38] <tritium> I LaTeX all my documents.
[05:38] <Adler> Eddie -- But how do I select which OS to boot to?
[05:39] <LesleyB> preceisely wm_eddie: getting hard to tell the diff these days ;-)
[05:39] <larsrohdin> Adler, you ca choose from a list when you boot
[05:39] <wm_eddie> Adler: pressing ESC at the beginning.
[05:39] <tritium> Adler, you can reconfigure grub to not hide the menu, if you prefer.
[05:39] <LesleyB> Adler,  when you installed SuSE did you not automagically get a beautiful GRUB menu?
[05:39] <wm_eddie> Adler: Or you can modify the (grub.list?) to select wich is default.
[05:40] <Adler> LesleyB -- Yes I did get the GRUB menu. If I do the UBUNTU install will it show all my OSs?
[05:40] <tritium> Yes
[05:40] <LesleyB> I haven't tried it yet Adler
[05:40] <nitrox> I fogot my root password I do have a live CD but when I boot into it ans tey to mount the partion it give me no such file or directory
[05:40] <LesleyB> I did a marathon session getting my 330 to install last Friday and then took a break for the weekend
[05:41] <LesleyB> have just re-installed Ubuntu on a stand alone box
[05:41] <larsrohdin> is there a command to check what ubuntuversion you are on?
[05:41] <tritium> nitrox, there is no reoot password, unless you enabled the root account on your own
[05:41] <nitrox> I type "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1"
[05:41] <LesleyB> so am not up for a marathon lets see if I can screw my XP/Suse install right this minute
[05:41] <LesleyB> ermmm don't know larsrohdin
[05:41] <Adler> LesleyB -- I'm looking to see who has and the protocol. I've been Googling or a while now and I thought that I'd try chat.
[05:41] <tritium> larsrohdin, cat /etc/issue
[05:41] <LinuxJones> larsrohdin, look in /etc/apt/sources.lst file
[05:42] <LesleyB> yeah, google is ok but it's nie to talk ideas thru
[05:42] <nitrox> So the root password is blank by default
[05:42] <LesleyB> I *think* that you have to watch what aprtitions Ubuntu tries to mount
[05:42] <larsrohdin> tritium, a! look at that!=) thanks alot buddy!
[05:42] <tritium> larsrohdin, sure ;)
[05:42] <Adler> LesleyB, that's what I'm trying to do
[05:42] <LesleyB> the last thing you want it to do is recognise and use your SuSE /, /etc, /usr and so on
[05:42] <LesleyB> *but*
[05:43] <LesleyB> you *may* want the Ubuntu kernel in the /boot part of the drive
[05:43] <LesleyB> neither of these I know how to control using Ubuntu yet
[05:43] <larsrohdin> torsmo -d
[05:43] <nitrox> I have Ubuntu install on the Hard Drive and I am trying to use my FreeSBie CD to change it
[05:43] <larsrohdin> now, that was supposed to be in my terminal=)
[05:43] <LesleyB> lol larsrohdin
[05:43] <nitrox> It mount hda1
[05:44] <tritium> LinuxJones, try cat /etc/issue.  Easier than looking in sources.list
[05:44] <nitrox> I tried going into single user mode also by booting into the kernel by adding single at the end of the line and boot
[05:44] <larsrohdin> how can i make eg. torsmo start when i log in to fluxbox?
[05:44] <nitrox> that didn't work either
[05:44] <LinuxJones> tritium, apparently ":D
[05:44] <evarlast> but thanks, I never heard of torsmo, and it sounds fun.
[05:45] <LesleyB> Adler, so .... it's a question of controlling the partitioning and making sure that Ubuntu doesn't overwrite existing kernels and that it mounts the right partitions; of course this could be completely the wrong track and there is another way to do it
[05:45] <LesleyB> in your .bashrc larsrohdin?
[05:45] <larsrohdin> ok...ill have a look=)
[05:45] <nitrox> How do you see a list of the partion from the terminal
[05:46] <liberion> hey guys i was wondering im gonna get a amd64 machine do i have use a linux system compiled to amd 64 or can i use a 32 bit linux os??
[05:46] <LesleyB> I don't feel particularly confident about Ubuntu's partitioning behaviour; I just resinstalled and altho I had a completly partitioned disk it didn't recognise the boot disk etc etc
[05:46] <larsrohdin> LesleyB, omg thats scary... help=)
[05:46] <joh> liberion: you can use a 32 bit, but ubuntu also comes in 64bit...
[05:46] <tritium> larsrohdin, LesleyB in your .xsession
[05:46] <LesleyB> ahhhh ty tritium :)
[05:46] <larsrohdin> ok... thats a file i now at least=)
[05:47] <LesleyB> sorry I meant boot partition
[05:47] <nitrox> Any other way to recovery a password beside mounting the partion and booting into the kernel
[05:47] <LesleyB> *but* you can mark partitions as do not use
[05:47] <liberion> joh: well ya see there was this 32 bit system i helped develop and ive grown fond of it :)
[05:48] <LesleyB> so if it does pick up the existing windows and SuSE partitions you *can* theoretically stop it accessing them at install/partition time
[05:48] <LesleyB> but then I know diddlysquat about Ubuntu, really
[05:48] <Adler> LesleyB -- Thanks. Seems I need to look further.
[05:48] <LesleyB> do you have a spare box, Adler?
[05:49] <tritium> nitrox, what are you trying to do?
[05:49] <Adler> LesleyB. No, I've no spare box.
[05:49] <hitu> hello people
[05:49] <hitu> (:
[05:49] <nitrox> Trying reset my root password on Ubuntu
[05:49] <tritium> nitrox, did you ever enable the root account on your ubuntu installation?
[05:49] <tritium> because it's not enabled by default
[05:49] <LesleyB> I'm using a kanckered old Celeron for playing with the Ubuntu distro Adler
[05:49] <nitrox> Well you the truth i don't remember
[05:50] <LesleyB> it is useful to have an old spare box around
[05:50] <LesleyB> for thsi kind of thing
[05:50] <jdub> nitrox: sudo passwd -l root
[05:50] <larsrohdin> hey, that didn't work, torsmo didn't start...
[05:50] <nitrox> I have never logged in as root since the install and wanted to install a theme today and couldn't
[05:50] <LesleyB> You'll just have to make sure you back up real well b4 you start and be prepared to re-install
[05:50] <jdub> nitrox: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo <- read that
[05:50] <Adler> LesleyB, I think that the risk is to high to try to put in on my system then.
[05:51] <jdub> nitrox: the root account is disabled, see that document for why, and how to use your system correctly
[05:51] <LesleyB> cheap boxes abound, Adler, it doesn't have to be fancy; just has to work
[05:51] <tritium> larsrohdin, what didn't?  .xsession?
[05:51] <nitrox> Jdub: I got command not found
[05:51] <jdub> nitrox: for what?
[05:51] <jdub> nitrox: read that page first :)
[05:52] <nitrox> For the sudo passwd -1 root
[05:52] <larsrohdin> tritium, yes... .xsession didn't do the trick=)
[05:52] <jdub> nitrox: -l and -1 are different :)
[05:52] <jdub> nitrox: anyway, before that, read the page
[05:52] <Adler> LesleyB, I posted on the UBUNTU Forum a couple of days ago and will just BUMP and see what happens.
[05:52] <Xappe> what's the -l flag?
[05:52] <lunitik> Xappe: lock
[05:52] <tritium> larsrohdin, what window manager?
[05:52] <Xappe> ok
 under the same nick Adler?
[05:52] <andrewski> does anyone know what happened to the default white mouse cursors?
[05:53] <larsrohdin> tritium, fluxbox!
[05:53] <jdub> andrewski: missing in current packages, the will be back
[05:53] <Xappe> so that just turns off the root account then?
[05:53] <larsrohdin> LesleyB, just don't bump on me=)
[05:53] <jdub> Xappe: it disables the account
[05:53] <tritium> larsrohdin, that puzzles me.  You exited X, and logged in again?
[05:53] <andrewski> jdub: do you know in which packages they're supposed to be?
[05:53] <LesleyB> lol larsrohdin
[05:53] <Adler> LesleyB -- Yes
[05:53] <larsrohdin> tritium, ctrl+alt+backspace... isn't that enough?
[05:54] <jdub> andrewski: it was in the gtk2-engines-industrial package, but where they will all turn up next is under scrutiny
[05:54] <Adler> LesleyB -- it was under instalation help.
[05:54] <andrewski> jdub: :) guess i missed the boat on that one. ;)
[05:54] <LesleyB> ok Adler I'll seek and bump :)
[05:55] <tritium> larsrohdin, take a quick peek at man page for xsession
[05:55] <nitrox> Ok I think sudo passwd -l root
[05:55] <nitrox> it said password change
[05:55] <Adler> LesleyB -- Let me find thetitle of the post and get right back to you.
[05:55] <nitrox> is that a blank password now
[05:55] <larsrohdin> tritium, sure
[05:55] <tritium> larsrohdin, you have to restart display manager, or startx again
[05:55] <lunitik> nitrox: you didn't read the document... you wanted 'sudo passwd root'...
[05:55] <nitrox> I will check out the manual on the system
[05:55] <larsrohdin> tritium, come again?
[05:55] <jdub> nitrox: it's disabled, not blank
[05:56] <tritium> larsrohdin, are you running xdm?  gdm?
[05:56] <larsrohdin> gdm
[05:56] <lunitik> nitrox: you really ought to give sudo a chance though... its not that bad...
[05:56] <jdub> lunitik: no way dude
[05:56] <nitrox> Gotcha I will read the document
[05:56] <nitrox> thanx for your help guys
[05:56] <lunitik> jdub: note "you wanted"... he's trying to enable root afaict?
[05:57] <jdub> lunitik: easier to revert to the defaults when people don't really know what they want
[05:57] <bzImage> Does ubuntu support netgear usb wireless out of the box or do I have to find a seperate driver set (seperate drivers shouldnt be a problem for me)
[05:57] <andrewski> bzImage: you'll have to find out what driver it uses; it should be supported.
[05:58] <tritium> larsrohdin, log out, and from the console, try restarting gdm (sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart)
[05:58] <andrewski> bzImage: madwifi?
[05:58] <Adler> LesleyB -- The Title of the post is Intall w/ existing Linux + XP Operating Systems
[05:58] <larsrohdin> tritium, how to log out to the console?
[05:58] <bzImage> Alrighty.
[05:58] <altan> how can I compile a kernel for another machine (both Ubuntu though) on this machine so I don't have to wait a long time?
[05:58] <Coily> how can i disable login/programs/console asking for root password?
[05:59] <oly> hi, i have been using remote desktop in ubuntu i would like to connect to a friends computer over the internet but am not sure how,
[05:59] <altan> this one's a 3GHz P4, the other one is a P2
[05:59] <andrewski> bzImage: do you know which driver it uses?
[05:59] <lunitik> altan: apt-cache show kernel-package...
[05:59] <tritium> Ctrl-Alt-F1 for v.c. 1
[05:59] <oly> i have the ip of the modem, but am not sure how i would get to computer from there
[05:59] <larsrohdin> ok
[05:59] <scizzo> Coily: the password for root is better using sudo
[05:59] <bzImage> andrewski: No.
[05:59] <lunitik> altan: makes a .deb that you can take to the other machine  :)
[05:59] <andrewski> bzImage: ok, h/o a sec...
[05:59] <oly> what settings would i need to connect to a remote computer over the internet ?
[06:00] <bzImage> madwifi hasnt god public (acording to sf)
[06:00] <bzImage> gone*] 
[06:00] <altan> lunitik: I compiled this kernel on my own, what I want to do is to do it for that machine too and copy the work directory over
[06:00] <lunitik> oly: umm... what is the other machine using? (windows? linux?)
[06:00] <altan> without installing the kernel on this machine
[06:00] <Coily> id like to keep using sudo but i dont want a login password
[06:00] <oly> ubuntu as well
[06:00] <andrewski> bzImage: but it is included on ubuntu's installation cd.
[06:00] <lunitik> altan: its really a lot easier to use kernel-package... you still customize it etc...
[06:01] <larsrohdin> tritium, that was fun=) unfortunately it didn't work either...
[06:01] <oly> hes installed it today, and wanted a bit of help and i always wanted to try remote dektop over the internet to see how well it would work :)
[06:01] <andrewski> bzImage: http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz  look for your card and post back here which chipset it uses...
[06:01] <larsrohdin> tritium, how am i supposed to write in the .xsession?
[06:01] <tritium> larsrohdin, sorry...not sure why your .xsession isn't getting read, unless something is wrong with it?
[06:01] <lunitik> altan: else, you'd have to copy over the files in /boot and /lib/modules for your kernel etc... too much work  :/
[06:01] <bzImage> I didn't have the device plugged in at the time of os installation, so it couldnt have autoconfigured, sadly.
[06:01] <linuxboy> if i 'apt-get upgrade' it upgrades all my packages, except for these: linux-image-2.6-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6-386. How do I upgrade these?
[06:02] <bzImage> (tried to autoconfigure for my onboard lan though)
[06:02] <andrewski> bzImage: that's ok, just let me know which chipset it uses and i'll help you out.
[06:02] <lunitik> linuxboy: 'apt-get dist-upgrade'...
[06:02] <Coily> anyone?
[06:02] <elyseum> idd
[06:02] <linuxboy> lunitik: i was doing security upgrades
[06:02] <lunitik> linuxboy: cool?
[06:03] <oly> is there any help on using the remote desktop thing anywhere ?
[06:03] <bzImage> Heres a crossplatform question
[06:03] <andrewski> how does one do security upgrades?  is there a separate source one should have in sources.list?
[06:03] <linuxboy> lunitik: huh? I was doing a security upgrade to get that... must i dist-upgrade?
[06:03] <linuxboy> andrewski: yes
[06:03] <lunitik> linuxboy: yes...
[06:03] <andrewski> oly: there's a good howto on tldp.org
[06:03] <tritium> larsrohdin, look at man page for xinit
[06:03] <bzImage> Would sissandra beable to pull that info off a usb device?
[06:03] <andrewski> linuxboy: i'll have to see if i have it in mine...!
[06:03] <Coily> id like to disable my root password, any ideas?
[06:03] <larsrohdin> tritium, how should i write in my .xsession? can i have written wrong?
[06:03] <hitu> lol
[06:04] <tritium> larsrohdin, there's an examples section
[06:04] <linuxboy> andrewski: it hav it in that file bf default, just commented out iirc
[06:04] <lunitik> andrewski: 'deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted'
[06:04] <andrewski> linuxboy: yes, i just want to make sure i'm using it... thanks lunitik
[06:04] <bzImage> Prism2/2.5/3 has to be it
[06:04] <andrewski> lunitik: i can't remember if i still have that after switching to hoary.
[06:05] <bzImage> Theres 2 ma111's acording to netgear, but wlan only shows 1
[06:05] <lunitik> andrewski: hoary's security repo isn't getting populated yet  :/
[06:05] <bzImage> v1/v2
[06:05] <elyseum> linuxboy maybe you can update it with synaptic packet management
[06:05] <elyseum> search for the exact filename
[06:05] <Coily> i dont want a login password
[06:05] <andrewski> bzImage: ok, i don't think madwifi will support it.  (btw, you should probably refer to me by name; your post gets highlighted in my client and it's just good chat etiquette. :)
[06:05] <lunitik> elyseum: synaptic is just a pretty frontend for apt... how would his results differ?
[06:06] <andrewski> bzImage: do you know which one you have?
[06:06] <larsrohdin> tritium, you mean i should try with creating a .xinitrc file insted?
[06:06] <bzImage> Jesus the screensaver fade out is rather sexy.
[06:06] <andrewski> bzImage: yes, it is. :)
[06:06] <lupus_> does anyone know a mirror of http://xmlsoft.planetmirror.com/html/libxml-parser.html with other colors
[06:06] <lupus_> these are just terrible to read
[06:06] <larsrohdin> are there skins for X-chat?
[06:06] <bzImage> I havent idled this machine long enough
[06:06] <bzImage> lol
[06:06] <elyseum> well you can search by name and maybe then by rightclicking and chose update
[06:06] <lunitik> larsrohdin: sorta.... the gtk2 theme you are using...
[06:06] <andrewski> larsrohdin: no, it uses your GTK theme; you'll have to change that to change xchat's look.
[06:07] <tritium> larsrohdin, no, you can still use .xsession.  Just look at the man page for examples
[06:07] <larsrohdin> you mean like a theme for fluxbox?
[06:07] <andrewski> bzImage: do you know which version of your netgear card you have?
[06:07] <lunitik> larsrohdin: no... xchat is gtk2...
[06:07] <larsrohdin> tritium, ok in that case, it looks ok...
[06:07] <bzImage> andrewski: netgear ma111 wireless adapter, 802.11b, (Prism2/2.5/3 chipset via wlan)
[06:07] <larsrohdin> lunitik, explain gtk... please?
[06:07] <andrewski> bzImage: yes, but you say there are two versions; which one do you have?
[06:07] <Coily> can someone help me with this: i want to keep using sudo for admin, but i dont want a password for it or login
[06:07] <bzImage> v1
[06:08] <andrewski> larsrohdin: www.gtk.org :)
[06:08] <bzImage> (wlan doesnt acknowledge 2 versions)
[06:08] <tritium> larsrohdin, does fluxbox have a way to add programs to your session?  I've never tried it.
[06:08] <andrewski> bzImage: ok, but there are still two versions and that will matter. :)
[06:08] <lunitik> tritium: via .xsession... sure
[06:08] <larsrohdin> andrewski, yeah theres always a website, but i was hoping he could summarize gtk wit a word or two...
[06:08] <bzImage> Not if I am patient enough to repeat the task twice.
[06:08] <bzImage> ;)
[06:08] <Coily> ideas?
[06:09] <bzImage> well, repeat it once, rather.
[06:09] <tritium> lunitik, that's not working for him, though
[06:09] <tritium> lunitik, maybe you can help him?
[06:09] <andrewski> larsrohdin: sry, it is what renders your buttons/bars/etc. for gnome apps.
[06:09] <bzImage> I knew I should have ran hardlines.
[06:09] <andrewski> bzImage: now, google for netgear ma111 v1 linux and see what comes up; you're looking for driver or chipset.
[06:09] <larsrohdin> andrewski, ok thanks
[06:09] <lunitik> tritium: thats how you do it... not much I can help further on  :/
[06:10] <bzImage> bah, hold on.
[06:10] <tritium> lunitik, neither can I.  That was also my suggestion.
[06:10] <andrewski> larsrohdin: you can change the theme in gnome control center
[06:10] <bzImage> i'll just sissandra the chipset off it
[06:10] <andrewski> bzImage: yeah, good call.
[06:10] <Alessio> my time in gnome panel
[06:10] <larsrohdin> andrewski, ok, but what other good irc-clients are there? or is x-chat one of the better?
[06:10] <coobra> irssi
[06:10] <bzImage> brb
[06:10] <coobra> :)))))
[06:10] <lunitik> larsrohdin: why are you using Flux if you really have no idea about it?
[06:11] <Alessio> my time in gnome panel is wrong, if i adjust it the time isn't fixed!
[06:11] <Alessio> why?
[06:11] <andrewski> larsrohdin: i use xchat, but many swear by irssi (text-based, not GUI)
[06:11] <larsrohdin> lunitik, what do you mean by that?
[06:11] <lunitik> larsrohdin: GNOME makes things a lot easier... why not just use it?  you seem to be trying too hard to be "leet"...
[06:11] <andrewski> bzImage: refer to me by name, please. :)
[06:12] <andrewski> lunitik: what questions is larsrohdin asking about flux?
[06:12] <Phr0stByt> Someone please help me!!! I am missing my XF86Config-4 file - what can I do about that?
[06:12] <lunitik> andrewski: two I have seen... adding apps to his xsession... and he wants to know what gtk is apparently  :/
[06:12] <larsrohdin> lunitik, gnome is boooooring... and how am i supposed to learn anything if i don't have challange... and like andrewski just said... i never asked anything specifically about fluxbox...
[06:13] <Alessio> any suggest?
[06:13] <andrewski> Alessio: clock on UTC or local?
[06:13] <coobra> larsrohdin: well go google :))) make it your friend :)
[06:14] <lunitik> larsrohdin: you're not learning though... you're having others do it for you...
[06:14] <unperson> Phr0stByt, Perhaps dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86?
[06:14] <Alessio> uhm
[06:15] <andrewski> lunitik: [sarcasm]  yes, he really put me out. [/sarcasm] 
[06:15] <Phr0stByt> unperson: Tried that, thanx - it did not create the file
[06:15] <Alessio> i have fixed! with deselect UTC :)
[06:15] <andrewski> Alessio: yay.
[06:15] <larsrohdin> lunitik, you don't have to help me if you don't want to
[06:15] <Alessio> :D
[06:16] <nitrox_> I figure it out people
[06:16] <lunitik> larsrohdin: I just don't understand... surely it would be more fun to learn other things? bind, dhcpd, apache, samba, nfs.... all fun to play with  :/
[06:16] <nitrox_> If i wanted to use root
[06:17] <larsrohdin> lunitik, and if i do exactly what it says in the man-pages and on the web and it still don't work. am i not entitled to ask someone then?
[06:17] <nitrox_> Just open a terminal and type sudo -s and then enter the root password and I am good to go
[06:17] <oly> cant find anything on terminal client server on tldp.org
[06:17] <oly> is it know by something else ?
[06:17] <andrewski> larsrohdin: so, to get back to your question *ahem*, if you use many gnome apps, xchat is probably a good choice.
[06:17] <nitrox_> Works like a charm....
[06:17] <nitrox_> Thanx to everyone that got me to read the Doc
[06:17] <larsrohdin> lunitik, well maybe im not interested in network or servers and that stuff...
[06:18] <larsrohdin> andrewski, ok, then ill stick to it=)
[06:18] <LinuxJones> nitrox_, you might want to check out >> www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:18] <Phr0stByt> Someone please help me!!! I am missing my XF86Config-4 file - what can I do about that?
[06:18] <andrewski> larsrohdin: but don't take my word for it. :)
[06:18] <andrewski> Phr0stByt: hoary or warty?
[06:18] <Phr0stByt> warty
[06:19] <andrewski> Phr0stByt: there's no config file in /etc/X11/?
[06:19] <lunitik> Phr0stByt: xf86config ... should regenerate it...
[06:19] <Phr0stByt> andrewski: [sheepishly]  deleted it by accident....
[06:19] <andrewski> ooh... yeah, what lunitik said. :)
[06:19] <lunitik> Phr0stByt: then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to get the right settings  :)
[06:19] <Phr0stByt> lunitik: It does not
[06:20] <lunitik> For some reason, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 won't regenerate  :/
[06:20] <lunitik> Phr0stByt: hmm... yeah... thats bad then  :/
[06:20] <Phr0stByt> neither will xf86config
[06:21] <lunitik> Phr0stByt: hah... touch the file first maybe?
[06:21] <Phr0stByt> OK - I will try that
[06:21] <Phr0stByt> hold on....
[06:21] <Phr0stByt> good idea
[06:24] <Phr0stByt> Ummmm nope....
[06:24] <tritium> Why is messagebus the only account listed by UID rather than name in "ps -ef"?
[06:24] <LesleyB> tiddly pi
[06:24] <LesleyB> pip*
[06:25] <lunitik> Phr0stByt: you have another copy of the file anywhere? maybe from another distro?
[06:25] <Phr0stByt> I do notice that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is not trying to set screen resolutions and such - STRANGE!
[06:25] <Phr0stByt> lunitik: no
[06:26] <lunitik> Phr0stByt: because its not set to a low enough priority for asking questions... dpkg-reconfigure debconf...
[06:26] <lunitik> Phr0stByt: 'low' would get you the right questions... but it still won't write the file...
[06:28] <Phr0stByt> exactly
[06:30] <lunitik> Phr0stByt: annoying huh? heh... try google for an example file and customize that for now...
[06:30] <lunitik> Phr0stByt: not even a reinstall will put it back ime  :/
[06:30] <Phr0stByt> actualy, low did not ask for resolution either
[06:30] <Phr0stByt> somethings broke
[06:30] <lunitik> (reinstall of X...)
[06:31] <lunitik> Phr0stByt: hmm... it should have...
[06:31] <tritium> Phr0stByt, did you edit your XF86Config by hand?  If the md5sum is changed, dpkg-reconfigure changes don't take effect.
[06:31] <Phr0stByt> maybe its time to try an upgrade to hoary
[06:31] <Phr0stByt> ;)
[06:32] <lunitik> tritium: heh... even worse... he removed  ;)
[06:32] <andrewski> Phr0stByt: not a bad idea. :)
[06:32] <tritium> ouch
[06:32] <lunitik> Phr0stByt: hoary is fairly stable... and uses xorg.conf ... so yeah  :)
[06:33] <Anubis> is there a way to tell what speed my DDR ram runs @?
[06:35] <lunitik> Seems like very few actually stuck to warty  :)
[06:35] <tritium> Phr0stByt, or, you could try resetting md5sum of XF86Config-4, and then doing dpkg-reconfigure.
[06:36] <Phr0stByt> tritium: the file is non-existant
[06:36] <tritium> it's kept in /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
[06:37] <tritium> Phr0stByt, I know.
[06:37] <tritium> touch it, then run md5sum
[06:37] <tritium> even if it's empty
[06:37] <lunitik> tritium: hmm... learned something today  :)
[06:38] <tritium> lunitik, let's see if it works, though ;)
[06:39] <kobs> anyone used PXE to isntall ubuntu to multiple machines?
[06:39] <tritium> Phr0stByt, then paste output into file I mentioned above.
[06:39] <kobs> (around 30)
[06:39] <lunitik> tritium: what are the '.roster' files for?
[06:39] <tritium> lunitik, not sure on that one.
[06:40] <lunitik> tritium: seems to just state where we got that file from?
[06:40] <meister> hi
[06:40] <lunitik> meister: hi
[06:40] <Martok> andrewski: Hey, you're from Philadelphia?
[06:40] <tritium> lunitik, guess so
[06:41] <tritium> Phr0stByt, so are we going to try it?
[06:41] <andrewski> Martok: yup.
[06:42] <meister> i'm searching a presentation sheet of ubuntu in about one page
[06:42] <meister> some kind of pdf ..
[06:42] <Martok> andrewski: Cool, where are you located around?
[06:43] <leviathan148> hi
[06:43] <leviathan148> exit
[06:45] <icarnales> hiya
[06:46] <sladen> meister: there's links to a couple of magazine articles as PDf on the wiki
[06:46] <icarnales> i'm experiencing some weird things in my hoary box, the machine boots directly into grub menu, no memory count, no post test
[06:46] <meister> sladen: thx
[06:47] <Newbie> hello all
[06:47] <icarnales> is that normal? is happening after this morning update
[06:48] <Newbie> i have a terrible newbie question, i just booted the PPC livecd, now how do i find my dikss?
[06:48] <zerotime> hi, I dont know why my xmule has very big fonts in the gui
[06:48] <Archdevil> Little question: I was wondering it the problem with DNS in resolv.conf has been solved for DSL connections?
[06:48] <threshold> does isdn work in hoary yet?
[06:48] <zerotime> does anyone know how to fix this problem?
[06:48] <Phr0stByt> Hey! I have like 54 packages that are being held back in the upgrade process - what gives?
[06:48] <kandinski> not wanting to sound like an ungrateful bastard, but yesterday I apt-got upgraded and ... no sound. is this me, or is this a common complaint?
[06:49] <zerotime> I just upgraded and np
[06:49] <Newbie> it looks really good this ubuntu distribution
[06:49] <zerotime> but the gnome menu
[06:49] <rotundo> Phr0stByt: well you could try dist-upgrade since its holdingthem back due to new conflict/dependancies
[06:49] <zerotime> it does not update menu games
[06:49] <Phr0stByt> did that
[06:49] <kandinski> ok, so mebbe it is me and my marillat mplayer repository playing up
[06:50] <rotundo> Phr0stByt: try "apt-get install <package>" for one that is held, it will tell you why
[06:50] <kandinski> any of you with marillat in your repositories that also has no problem?
[06:51] <icarnales> i have marillat in two machines and hoarys with no probs
[06:51] <kandinski> hmmm
[06:51] <kandinski> so what can it be?
[06:51] <rotundo> so do I, but I have not upgraded in a few days
[06:51] <icarnales> alsa dmx?
[06:51] <kandinski> windows plays sound ok, so it is not hardware or cables
[06:51] <zerotime> please, why my xmule have so big fonts?
[06:51] <zerotime> is it a problem on the gui?
[06:51] <zAo^> does Qool n Quit work with Ubuntu?
[06:51] <zAo^> Cool ^^
[06:51] <mectop> Hi everyone. I'm trying to manually install the fglrx module, but the make.sh file says: Makefile:50: *** mixed implicit and normal rules.  Stop.  - how can I get it to build?
[06:52] <Phr0stByt> rotundo: broken packages - now what?
[06:52] <zerotime> mectop, install fglrx-driver
[06:52] <zAo^> mectop, why should you rebuild it?
[06:52] <zerotime> then fgrlxconfig
[06:52] <rotundo> Phr0stByt: depends whats broken, which repository ?
[06:52] <Phr0stByt> I cant tell
[06:52] <zerotime> then copy the device part not fully, only the 2 first lines
[06:52] <mectop> zAo^, I've got a custom kernel, so need to build the module for it
[06:52] <Phr0stByt> Its all messed up
[06:52] <zerotime> into xorg.conf device part
[06:53] <zerotime> oh
[06:53] <zAo^> thanks mectop
[06:53] <Newbie> Hi, can i ask a really simple question?
[06:53] <mectop> zerotime, i think it's alread installed.
[06:53] <zerotime> ok
[06:53] <rotundo> Phr0stByt: is there a reason you need them upgraded now? is there a problem with your system or is there a new package and its dependancies are there? what does it say exactly
[06:53] <zerotime> mectop do you know why I have so big fonts in xmule?
[06:53] <zerotime> is this a common problem or is it just me?
[06:54] <mectop> zerotime, never used it
[06:54] <jaduncan> Hey, just a quick message to say thanks to daniels for sorting out xorg, just upgraded to Hoary and it is very nice...
[06:55] <kandinski> daniels rocks
[06:55] <kandinski> if I had a real gfx chip in my laptop instead of a bloody trident cyberblade, all would be good
[06:56] <jaduncan> well, I must admit I am reduced to nvidia non-free to get it all running at a reasonable lick
[06:57] <jaduncan> but very impressive all the same
[06:57] <kandinski> jaduncan: does it work well with xorg? I mean the nvidia non-free
[06:57] <jaduncan> yes, fine
[06:57] <kandinski> I bit my pride when it comes to gaming
[06:57] <occy> crimsun: FINALLY figured out the stupid touchpad issues...
[06:57] <jaduncan> the only issue I would mention is that the glx extension does not work at the same time as composite
[06:57] <occy> crimsun: http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=27870&page=1
[06:58] <kandinski> jaduncan, that is a serious issue
[06:58] <jaduncan> yes
[06:58] <occy> crimsun: october@distance:~ > synclient HorizScrollDelta=0  <-- worked.
[06:58] <kandinski> so either composite or gl in a window, is i?
[06:58] <jaduncan> more so as a gamer
[06:58] <occy> Joy!
[06:58] <jaduncan> which I must admit I don't
[06:58] <kandinski> hmm
[06:58] <zerotime> the gnome games menu does not get updated when I install a game
[06:58] <jaduncan> nvidia do have an option to manually allow glx and comp together
[06:59] <jaduncan> but this crashed twice in a day for me
[06:59] <andrewski> jaduncan: yes, it's unstable. :)
[06:59] <jaduncan> and even nvidia state that this is currently ecperimental
[06:59] <zerotime> does someone read me?
[07:00] <andrewski> zerotime: which game?
[07:00] <jaduncan> but maybe in a future driver update?
[07:00] <zerotime> andrewski, any game I install
[07:00] <zerotime> does not show up in gnome game manu
[07:00] <jaduncan> you have to think that the Linux guys there know that xorg is coming
[07:00] <zerotime> menu
[07:00] <andrewski> zerotime: gnome games?
[07:01] <andrewski> jaduncan: yes, i'm sure it will be better in the future; xorg will refine its code and nvidia will have better usage thereof.
[07:01] <zerotime> andrewski, I do apt-get install tuxracer, It installs tuxracer, but on the gnome menu, is not there
[07:01] <threshold> is fam or gamin running?
[07:01] <Martok> Anybody here play Cube or BZFlag?
[07:01] <tcie> Hi everyone, is there any posibility of making buttons, icons etc. smaller in Ubuntu's Gnome themes?
[07:01] <Martok> tcie: You could use the GIMP.
[07:01] <andrewski> zerotime: i'm not sure it's supposed to be; does tuxracer even create a .desktop file?
[07:02] <zerotime> no, it does not, but it ussually creates a menu entry under the games category
[07:03] <andrewski> "usually"?
[07:03] <jdub> zerotime: if there's no .desktop file in the package, there will not be a menu entry
[07:04] <zerotime> well, it creates it in debian sid
[07:04] <zerotime> mandrake
[07:04] <zerotime> suse
[07:04] <jaduncan> does anyone know if beagle and dashboard are likely to make Hoary?
[07:04] <zerotime> I wonder why it is not creating it here
[07:04] <lerio> hi everybody. how do i uninstall completely gnome?
[07:04] <zerotime> has anyone installed ubuntu kde?
[07:04] <Phr0stByt> tritium: You still here?
[07:04] <jaduncan> lerio: aptitude remove gnome*
[07:04] <Riddell> zerotime: yes
[07:04] <jaduncan> sorry
[07:04] <zerotime> or there is not such thing
[07:04] <jaduncan> sudo aptitude remove gnome*
[07:05] <lerio> juduncan: i want to replace gnome with xfce, what do you think?
[07:05] <Hwolf> Guys, I just bought a new keyboard, and it won't work... :-S
[07:05] <jaduncan> lerio: you certainly could do
[07:06] <jaduncan> xfce is much lighter
[07:06] <jaduncan> but it is gtk2 based still
[07:06] <zerotime> what about blackbox
[07:06] <jaduncan> so you will find yourself often using gnome apps to get consitency I imagine
[07:07] <jaduncan> so not as much difference in a fully running system as lots of the libraries are still loaded
[07:07] <jaduncan> I personally use fluxbox on an older box
[07:07] <jaduncan> it's nice
[07:07] <jaduncan> I actually miss the root menu on normal gnome
[07:08] <lerio> juduncan: so you say that there will not be much differencies?
[07:08] <jaduncan> especially on high res screens it much more fits the way I work
[07:08] <Hwolf> What could be done about a keyboard that's not picked up by the bios?
[07:08] <jaduncan> lerio: well, it starts much faster
[07:08] <jaduncan> and slightly less memory usage
[07:08] <jaduncan> what box are you going to be running it on?
[07:09] <jaduncan> hwolf: not recognised by the bios?
[07:09] <jaduncan> is it bluetooth or something?
[07:09] <zerotime> is there any gnome app to record dvds?
[07:09] <zerotime> something similar to k3b?
[07:09] <andrewski> zerotime: there are a few (too many), but none as good as k3b.
[07:09] <zerotime> cause if I install k3b, it will install most kde
[07:09] <andrewski> zerotime: yes, it's kind of a problem. :)
[07:10] <zerotime> I hardly use kde
[07:10] <zerotime> just for the k3b program...
[07:10] <zerotime> I hope developers listen our prays
[07:10] <lerio> jaduncan: it's a gericom laptop w athlon xp 1400 and 256 M ram. actually i'm running hoary
[07:11] <Riddell> zerotime: k3b requires kdelibs and for some reason kcontrol I think, otherwise you don't need anything else from kde
[07:11] <jaduncan> lerio: either will run ok
[07:11] <andrewski> lol
[07:11] <jaduncan> though xfce will leave you a bit more mem space
[07:11] <jaduncan> I'd recommend upping the mem
[07:11] <zerotime> Riddell, well, ill install kde
[07:11] <zerotime> shame
[07:12] <jaduncan> to maybe 768
[07:12] <andrewski> yeah, what would be acceptable would be a gtk equivalent to gtk-qt... ;)
[07:12] <jaduncan> you'll really feel the difference
[07:12] <lerio> jaduncan: ok, i'll give it a try. so basically i have to uninstall gnome and then apt-get install xfce, right?
[07:12] <zerotime> is there any java deb source to source.list?
[07:12] <jaduncan> yes
[07:13] <lerio> jaduncan: thanks a lot!!
[07:13] <jaduncan> though you might consider not uninstalling gnome before you try xfce
[07:13] <jaduncan> just in case, you know?
[07:14] <lerio> jaduncan: yeah.. :)
[07:14] <jaduncan> also I would say to bear in mind that gnome-volume-manager handles the automounting when you put removable media
[07:14] <jaduncan> so maybe keep that whatever
[07:14] <jaduncan> as it gives you some nice stuff
[07:14] <jaduncan> but go have fun! ;)
[07:14] <lerio> jaduncan: would you suggest something to tweak my system?
[07:15] <jaduncan> like another 512 mem? ;)
[07:15] <jaduncan> heh
[07:15] <jaduncan> uh...ubuntu is already quite tweaked
[07:15] <lerio> jaduncan: without touching the wallet yet? :P
[07:15] <jaduncan> that's the advantage over stock Debian
[07:15] <jaduncan> do you use openoffice?
[07:15] <lerio> jaduncan: yes
[07:16] <jaduncan> try increasing the graphics cache up to around 40 megs in OO prefs
[07:16] <jaduncan> and it cuts down the startup time quite a lot
[07:16] <LuriFax`KEBAB> Hey!
[07:16] <jaduncan> like maybe 45-50%
[07:16] <LuriFax`KEBAB> Anybody in here that possibly could help me with installation of Ubuntu?
[07:17] <jaduncan> general shout:  would this be a good idea for inclusing in Hoary final?
[07:17] <SerialNumber> Which part do you need help in?
[07:17] <LuriFax`KEBAB> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11861
[07:17] <LuriFax`KEBAB> That is my problem!
[07:17] <lerio> jaduncan: ok. i'll let you know my progresses. again: thanks a lot!
[07:17] <jaduncan> and also, try not to use KDE based programs
[07:17] <jaduncan> as then you have 2 sets of libs
[07:17] <jaduncan> and you have slightly limited memory
[07:17] <jaduncan> so you don't need extra stuff
[07:18] <SerialNumber> Sorry, can't help you...I haven't ever even used a Mac and I need help myself too.
[07:18] <jaduncan> I'm done now!
[07:18] <LuriFax`KEBAB> When I am going to choose a language, the keyboard won't do a thing... It doesn't matter whether it is ps/2 or USB
[07:18] <LuriFax`KEBAB> I don't have a mac
[07:18] <SerialNumber> Oh
[07:18] <SerialNumber> It was emachines
[07:18] <LuriFax`KEBAB> I am sitting on a normal packard bell
[07:18] <LuriFax`KEBAB> I am Rumleskaft
[07:18] <SerialNumber> Ah...
[07:18] <LuriFax`KEBAB> but I have the same problem, the keyboard doens't work when it comes to language choosing!
[07:19] <LuriFax`KEBAB> What to do?
[07:19] <SerialNumber> Sorry...I installed Linux yesterday too...Thought that it would be a more usual problem than that. >_>
[07:19] <jaduncan> lurifax:  have you actually tried the kb on anything elsw?
[07:19] <Grev> how do I turn off ipv6?
[07:20] <LuriFax> Yes, I have tried my keyboard on other computers
[07:20] <LuriFax> and it also works fine on windows
[07:20] <jaduncan> other kbs on this box?
[07:20] <tcie> Martok: what should I do with the Gimp?
[07:20] <jaduncan> ah, I see
[07:20] <jaduncan> and when you connect it to the PS2 port, this is an adaptor
[07:20] <LuriFax> You mean a converter
[07:20] <jaduncan> or do you switch on emulation of PS2 in the bios
[07:20] <jaduncan> yes
[07:20] <LuriFax> usb --> ps/2
[07:20] <SerialNumber> Grev: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#disableipv6-mozilla
[07:21] <jaduncan> might be an odd adaptor
[07:21] <LuriFax> nope
[07:21] <LuriFax> I have tried with others too
[07:21] <SerialNumber> But I guess you meant from the whole computer, didn't you?
[07:21] <jaduncan> can your bios get usb kbs to emulate PS2
[07:21] <jaduncan> some can
[07:21] <LuriFax> yup
[07:21] <LuriFax> It can
[07:21] <jaduncan> then as long as you can control your bios this should work for you
[07:22] <Grev> SerialNumber, still loading
[07:22] <jaduncan> as all the installer knows is that this is a normal ps2 protocol kb
[07:22] <jaduncan> exactly the same signals
[07:22] <LuriFax> Its a bit strange, I can push enter, F1 and all that, but when I have to choose my language it completely freezes
[07:22] <LuriFax> And it's the same with other keyboards
[07:23] <LuriFax> Someone claims it's my motherboard (Couldn't it possibly be that?)
[07:23] <jaduncan> that's crazy stuff
[07:23] <jaduncan> what mb is it?
[07:23] <LuriFax> GigaByte (you want the exact number?)
[07:23] <jaduncan> do you know the chipset?
[07:23] <LuriFax> SiS 648FX
[07:24] <SerialNumber> I'm very new with Linux, and installed my first(Ubuntu) yesterday...Anyways, I needed to install some problems, and they're in .tar.gz. I need to know how to install these...Someone told me about Synaptic Package Manager - However, it can install only packs off the 'net. I tried to open the pack with right click and the SPM, but it said I should be root. So, how could I obtain it without root, or get into root in Gnome. The Ubuntu guide just says how t
[07:24] <LuriFax> My chipset is SiS 648FX
[07:24] <jaduncan> might be a problem with that
[07:24] <jaduncan> wait a sec
[07:25] <LuriFax> ok, I'll wait a second..
[07:25] <occy> synclient HorizScrollDelta=0 UpDownScrolling=0 RTCornerButton=0 RBCornerButton=0    (anyone know how I can make this automatic?  -- I tried putting this in my XF86Config-4 file and that didn't work)
[07:26] <jaduncan> lutifax: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/03/msg02607.html
[07:26] <occy> I tried adding:  Option "HorizScrollDelta"  "0"
[07:26] <occy> that didn't work :/
[07:26] <jaduncan> notice that debian installer has a bug for the AGP slot
[07:26] <jaduncan> but this should be after the lang selection
[07:27] <pranxor> Gnome is running like crap and i`ve reinstalled the nvidia drivers and edited the XF86Config file, removing GLcore and dri, ensuring glx is still there. Rebooted a hundred times, but no difference in speed. Gnome still runs sluggish.After coutless hours in the ubuntuguide and forums I still can`t solve this problem. Anybody experience sluggish performance in Gnome?
[07:27] <andrewski> pranxor: yes.  you could try out xfce....
[07:28] <SerialNumber> I'm very new with Linux, and installed my first(Ubuntu) yesterday...Anyways, I needed to install some problems, and they're in .tar.gz. I need to know how to install these...Someone told me about Synaptic Package Manager - However, it can install only packs off the 'net. I tried to open the pack with right click and the SPM, but it said I should be root. So, how could I obtain it without root, or get into root in Gnome. The Ubuntu guide just says how t
[07:28] <crimsun> pranxor: you shouldn't have needed to recompile anything.
[07:28] <crimsun> pranxor: what Driver options are you using?
[07:28] <occy> pranxor: :(
[07:29] <pranxor> I used the apt-get packages from the repository and the ones from nvidia.com
[07:29] <jaduncan> lurifax:  have you MD5 checked your burnt media?
[07:29] <occy> pranxor: I know how you can feel.  I've worked for 2 months trying to figure out this stupid touchpad thing, and have just now FINALLY figured it out.
[07:29] <LuriFax> yes I have!
[07:29] <jaduncan> can't see any known bugs for the chipset
[07:29] <LuriFax> And I just tried installing it again! And it wouldn't work!
[07:29] <LuriFax> So I am giving up Ubuntu!
[07:29] <pranxor> occy:good for you :)
[07:29] <jaduncan> do other keyboards work for the selection?
[07:29] <LuriFax> nope
[07:29] <jaduncan> ah!
[07:30] <LuriFax> I think it's my motherboard
[07:30] <crimsun> LuriFax: how about array 4?
[07:30] <LuriFax> Array 4?
[07:30] <LuriFax> What's that?
[07:30] <occy> pranxor: did you do the nvidia-glx-config enable  right?
[07:30] <crimsun> /topic
[07:30] <gustav_> SerialNumber: it should be possible just to doubleclick and unpack it. If it still asks for root then you'll have to be root.
[07:30] <pranxor> occy: yes, I did
[07:30] <occy> pranxor: crimsun <-- knows his stuff.  he'll help you, it might take a while... but, be patient.
[07:30] <jaduncan> is the BIOS still switched to have USB emulate PS2?
[07:30] <LuriFax> yup
[07:31] <SerialNumber> Inside, it has the program files...Does it work after I unpack it by some file?
[07:31] <LuriFax> but I also tried without it
[07:31] <jaduncan> you could try to take that off and use the PS2 adaptor then
[07:31] <jaduncan> grr
[07:31] <occy> course, today I nearly threw this laptop at the wall.
[07:31] <occy> heh
[07:31] <jaduncan> this is a very unusual issue
[07:32] <pranxor> occy:I am not known for quitting, but this is a tricky subject considering the number of posts out there on the subject
[07:32] <jaduncan> I would get your spec sheet and file this as a bug, it seems an interesting case
[07:32] <jaduncan> one of the installer guys will get back to you, I would imagine
[07:32] <LuriFax> crimsun: I can't see what you mean, isn't it just the newest version of ubuntu?
[07:33] <pranxor> occy: Someday I`ll figure it out and post the sollution for sure :)
[07:33] <occy> pranxor: yah... well, a slow gnome would try my patience.
[07:33] <LuriFax> jaduncan: where can I report?
[07:33] <occy> pranxor: question, have you tried other distro's?  To see if it's just related to Ubuntu?
[07:34] <crimsun> LuriFax: yes, that's why I asked if you've tried it.
[07:34] <LuriFax> just downloaded it
[07:34] <occy> pranxor: That's something I probably would do, (if at all possible) is to install several distro's to see if the performance was roughly the same.  I don't know the specs on your hardware, and don't want to have you spout all kinds of stuff you've already told 4 billion people a hundred times already :)
[07:34] <LuriFax> and it was that I tried out
[07:35] <pranxor> occy:Yep, I`ve tried suse, Debian, knoppix, mandrake and red-hat
[07:35] <crimsun> pranxor: I'm still waiting for answers to my questions.
[07:36] <occy> pranxor: yeah, listen to crimsun instead of me rambling bud. :)
[07:36] <occy> crimsun: sorry
[07:36] <crimsun> occy: you're fine, you're not interrupting at all
[07:37] <occy> Hmmm, I thought I turned off that mouse scrolling.
[07:37] <wood1> Hi all
[07:38] <LuriFax> hi
[07:38] <LuriFax> Which dist looks most like ubuntu?
[07:39] <mjr> Ubuntu :)
[07:39] <occy> I guess I need to turn off VertScrollDelta=0  too
[07:39] <pranxor> crimsun: I used the settings I found here: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver and thanks for taking the time to help, allthough I am a bit slow to reply:)
[07:39] <mjr> technically, Debian "looks" most like Ubuntu, but may not be from a default GUI standpoint...
[07:40] <crimsun> pranxor: so you didn't edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and add any options?
[07:40] <crimsun> pranxor: for instance, in Section "Device", Option      "RenderAccel""true"
[07:41] <pranxor> crimsun: Yes I did and I tried agp =1 and 0
[07:41] <LuriFax> Anyone other having a proposal to which dist that looks most like ubuntu
[07:41] <crimsun> pranxor: agp or nvagp?
[07:41] <pranxor> nvagp
[07:41] <tanari> ubuntu is NUMER ONE on distrowatch!! really cool
[07:41] <crimsun> LuriFax: default ubuntu? dunno.
[07:42] <oly> just a quick question, how can i install .deb files without dpkg -i in other words can i make them install on clicking the icon instead of droping back to terminal ?
[07:42] <Phr0stByt> Any ideas on how to get back a deleted XF86Config-4 file?
[07:43] <pranxor> crimsun: the options in the XF86Config file didn`t seem to matter much as there was no increase or decrease. I noticed the cpu load rised to 30-50 percent everytime I tried to move a window around
[07:43] <Death|Away> hi got a install problem, anyone time for me?
[07:44] <crimsun> Phr0stByt: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:44] <occy> crimsun: Any earthly idea how I'd get this to be permanant?       synclient HorizScrollDelta=0 UpDownScrolling=0 RTCornerButton=0 RBCornerButton=0 VertScrollDelta=0
[07:44] <jaduncan> pranxor: are you running composite?
[07:45] <pranxor> jaduncan: not sure what composite is?
[07:45] <pranxor> so I gues Im not running it
[07:45] <crimsun> occy: is synclient a userspace utility?
[07:46] <crimsun> occy: is it an X Window System application?
[07:46] <Death|Away> after rebooting when it's installing some packets in text mode, the notebook hangs up
[07:46] <chrissturm> occy: write it into your xorg.conf as Option "HorizScrollDelta" "0".....
[07:46] <chrissturm> occy:in the synaptic section
[07:46] <Death|Away> when it's restarting the hal
[07:46] <occy> crimsun: Yeah, I tried that and gnomesession wouldn't start. :(
[07:47] <occy> chrissturm: warty. :)
[07:47] <chrissturm> ok, different config file then :)
[07:47] <chrissturm> XF86Config
[07:47] <occy> anyone here have an irc buffer that goes back far enough to recall when I posted a link to fedoraforum earlier today?
[07:47] <xuzo> hi, the bug about automounting plugable devices is still in hoary?
[07:48] <occy> chrissturm: yah... I tried that.  But gnome wouldn't start.  It just sat there.
[07:48] <crimsun> pranxor: what are the contents of /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/settings ?
[07:48] <chrissturm> occy: it worked for me
[07:48] <occy> chrissturm: [tm] 
[07:48] <occy> heh
[07:48] <pranxor> I`ll check...
[07:48] <pranxor> crimsun: I`ll check
[07:48] <occy> hmm
[07:49] <Death|Away> can anyone help me with my install problem?
[07:49] <dgr> hi there
[07:49] <occy> I had to reboot to get X to even start gnome-session.
[07:49] <LuriFax> which problem do you have Death?
[07:49] <chrissturm> occy: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:49] <occy> chrissturm: nope.  didn't work.
[07:49] <Phr0stByt> crimsom: it will not recreate the file
[07:50] <chrissturm> strange...
[07:50] <LuriFax> **Death|Away** What is your problem?
[07:50] <Death|Away> LuriFax: after rebooting and after restarting den HAL in the text setup the computer hangs up
[07:50] <occy> maybe I mispelled something.
[07:50] <Death|Away> short time after restarting the hal
[07:51] <crimsun> Phr0stByt: have you tried with -plow ?
[07:51] <Phr0stByt> crimsom: I dont want to reinstall everything - It is still the original install og Warty from its first release!
[07:51] <Death|Away> when installing some packets
[07:51] <occy> can I do it in the area wehre I have:       Option          "SHMConfig"             "on"
[07:51] <occy> chrissturm: read above.
[07:51] <chrissturm> occy: yeah
[07:51] <occy> okies
[07:51] <chrissturm> just add them below that line
[07:52] <Death|Away> LuriFax: an idea?
[07:52] <pranxor> crimsun: checked the /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/settings and the contents are agp, cards, version
[07:52] <occy> bbiab
[07:52] <crimsun> pranxor: paste in #flood
[07:53] <luuke> Anybody know how to get 32-bit apps running on AMD64?
[07:53] <Phr0stByt> I would have to put back on Maya and Houdini Master
[07:53] <crimsun> luuke: 32-bit chroot.
[07:53] <luuke> iiinteresting..
[07:54] <dgr> where do I have to install fonts? I got a nice .ttf here but don't know where to put it
[07:54] <chrissturm> phrostbyt: is maya available for linux?
[07:54] <Phr0stByt> sure is!
[07:54] <andrewski> dgr: `locate .ttf`
[07:54] <chrissturm> phrostbyt: cool. is there a demo?
[07:55] <dgr> andrewski: he say he couldn't open the db, /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db
[07:55] <Phr0stByt> There is a learning version I think
[07:55] <Death|Away> hmm
[07:55] <andrewski> dgr: run update-db first.
[07:55] <Nonphasis>     import wx, wx.lib.ogl as ogl
[07:55] <Nonphasis> ImportError: No module named ogl
[07:55] <pranxor> crimsun: ok, pasted it in #flood
[07:55] <Nonphasis> anyone know where to got the ogl module for wx?
[07:56] <dgr> andrewski: sudo: update-db: command not found ;)
[07:56] <andrewski> dgr: sorry, updatedb
[07:56] <dgr> ah, ok
[07:56] <crimsun> pranxor: ...are you sure that's agp/settings ?
[07:56] <Phr0stByt> chrissturm: though I am getting real comfortable with Blender these days
[07:56] <chrissturm> dgr: in the preferences menu you have "fonts", when you open it and click details, and then "goto fonts folder" , you see the fonts. and then you just need to drag the font there
[07:56] <crimsun> pranxor: that looks like /proc/driver/nvidia/version
[07:57] <andrewski> chrissturm: yes, good idea.
[07:57] <pranxor> crimsun: sorry man, wrong file....*feeling retarded*
[07:57] <dgr> hey, I like that idea
[07:57] <kakalto> what is a media player that looks like the new winamp?
[07:57] <kakalto> s/new/recent
[07:57] <andrewski> kakalto: xmms?
[07:57] <crimsun> new/recent? don't know of one.
[07:57] <Phr0stByt> kakalto: bmp
[07:57] <b4tm4n> hello
[07:57] <Phr0stByt> beep media player
[07:58] <crimsun> xmms/b-m-p resemble the older winamp version 2.x
[07:58] <b4tm4n> i would like to use linux on a powerbook
[07:58] <kakalto> exactly
[07:58] <kakalto> I was meaning winamp v 5.x
[07:58] <kakalto> kind of ui
[07:58] <b4tm4n> there is any livecd version of ubuntu for mac?
[07:58] <Martok> Anybody have any weird goings on with beep-media-player?
[07:58] <kakalto> b4tm4n, don't think so
[07:58] <dgr> kakalto: do you want eyecandy or music?
[07:58] <andrewski> kakalto: i don't think there is one.  i'd use mpd if i were you, it's awesome. :)
[07:58] <chrissturm> is bmp worth checking out? never heard of it
[07:58] <kakalto> mpd?
[07:58] <kakalto> I'll have a look
[07:58] <kakalto> chrissturm, it's not too bad
[07:59] <andrewski> kakalto: musicpd.org
[07:59] <pranxor> crimsun: I have 3 files in the agp folder: agp, host-bridge and status. Which one do I need to paste?
[07:59] <kakalto> kewl
[07:59] <Nonphasis> xmms does not work when nv binary direvrs are installed
[07:59] <b4tm4n> kaklato: ok thk
[07:59] <occy> chrissturm: hmmm, it seems it was dying on the following:
[07:59] <occy>     RTCornerButton       = 2
[07:59] <occy>     RBCornerButton       = 3
[07:59] <Death|Away> LuriFax: ??
[07:59] <occy> well... it was dying on:   Option "RTCornerButton" "0"
[07:59] <occy> heh
[07:59] <kakalto> b4tm4n, I'm pretty sure it says on the main site's page
 xmms does not work when nv binary direvrs are installed << mh? with hoary it does. with warty it crashed all the time, but now it works (at least for me)
[07:59] <chrissturm> occy: you need one option line for every option
[08:00] <Nonphasis> ville@ubuntu ~/t/SPE-0.7.2.b-wx2.5.2.8.-bl2.35 $ xmms
[08:00] <Nonphasis> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:00] <Nonphasis> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[08:00] <occy> yeah, I know... I have the following things entered.
[08:00] <Nonphasis> that's on hoary
[08:00] <Death|Away> who has time for me?
[08:00] <kakalto> andrewski, mpd is for network-music playing
[08:00] <dgr> sudo apt-get install likmikmod << ?
[08:00] <kakalto> Death|Away, obviously not you :P
[08:00] <andrewski> kakalto: not just, i use it on my own machine only.
[08:00] <occy>    Option          "HorizScrollDelta"      "0"
[08:00] <occy>    Option          "VertScrollDelta"       "0"
[08:00] <kakalto> Death|Away, considering you're away
[08:00] <occy> and I also have....
[08:00] <andrewski> kakalto: kind of like X, you *can* use it for networking, but many/most don't.
[08:00] <dgr> Nonphasis: simply give him what he wants...
[08:00] <Death|Away> haha kakalto, but i can't find any solution in the forums
[08:00] <occy>    Option          "UpDownScrolling"       "0"
[08:00] <kakalto> andrewski, then I'll give it a go
[08:01] <Nonphasis> damn, it worked ;-9
[08:01] <andrewski> kakalto: it's very nice to have your music continue when you restart X. :)
[08:01] <kakalto> Death|Away, speak forth, you won't get an answer otherwise
[08:01] <occy> those all work fine.   but if I put in:   Option "RTCornerButton" "0" it doesn't work. :/
[08:01] <kakalto> andrewski, indeed :D
[08:01] <kakalto> I'm liking it
[08:01] <occy> yet... if I pass that same param via command line, it works fine.
[08:01] <DeadDreamer> kakalto i did this 2x
[08:01] <Nonphasis> I could swear that mikmod was uninstallable in past or sth
[08:01] <dgr> I'm loving it (tm)
[08:01] <chrissturm> occy: strange
[08:01] <DeadDreamer> the install hangs up after restarting the hal when it rebooted
[08:01] <b4tm4n> what does it mean hoary?
[08:01] <occy> chrissturm: indeed
[08:01] <dgr> Nonphasis: the wiki told me, but I just tried and it worked
[08:02] <occy> chrissturm: those are valid params too, if you do synclient -l
[08:02] <dgr> told me => told me not to
[08:02] <DeadDreamer> when it's installing some packets
[08:02] <chrissturm> occy: really strange. mail the author, he was very responsive when i mailed him
[08:02] <crimsun> pranxor: status
[08:02] <Nonphasis> is ih dangerous somehow?
[08:02] <Nonphasis> it
[08:02] <occy> chrissturm: I think I will. ;)
[08:02] <DeadDreamer> evertime it's other packets when it hangs up
[08:02] <kakalto> DeadDreamer, how long do you wait?
[08:02] <occy> chrissturm: thanks bunches.
[08:02] <dgr> Nonphasis: Just as dangerous as installing a lib ;)
[08:02] <luuke> crimsun: you use debootstrap --arch to install a new system, then, or does Ubuntu provide some more clever way of doing that?
[08:02] <DeadDreamer> but always short time after restarting the hal
[08:03] <DeadDreamer> kakalto for now 2hours
[08:03] <kakalto> ah
[08:03] <chrissturm> occy: or try to compile a newer version from here: http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html
[08:03] <Nonphasis> hmm, apparently i still have to disable sound server startup
[08:03] <crimsun> luuke: precisely
[08:03] <kakalto> 'cause I thought mine had gone wrong when it stopped at some packages before, but after waiting, found I was wrong
[08:03] <crimsun> --arch i386
[08:03] <luuke> Ja.
[08:04] <pranxor> crimsun: I have 3 files in the agp folder: agp, host-bridge and status. Which one do I need to paste?
[08:04] <kakalto> DeadDreamer, something must be screwy.
[08:04] <crimsun> pranxor: I just told you.
[08:04] <chrissturm> i dont understand why ubuntu uses esd instead of just using the dmix device of alsa
[08:04] <kakalto> DeadDreamer: have you tried posting on the forums?
[08:04] <kakalto> being a member there is very useful
[08:04] <oem> hi..i could change the root password finally but i can't login as root in X mode..in terminal i can,bu i want to edit /etc/apt/sources.list to find apt packages,(which ilearn a few minutes ago) but can't do that in normal user mode...Help; no sign no error just can't login graphical as root,normal user just works well! have an opinion?
[08:04] <crimsun> chrissturm: because dmix is broken in 40% of the cases.
[08:05] <DeadDreamer> no cause i even don't know if it's a problem with the install or if it's a problem cause this computer is a notebook
[08:05] <pranxor> crimsun: Status : disabled
[08:05] <crimsun> pranxor: well that's a starting point for debugging. If agp is disabled for your nvidia driver, then your performance will suffer terribly, generally.
[08:05] <kakalto> DeadDremer, post in the PPC section
[08:06] <chrissturm> crimsun: ah, didnt know that. but i think alsa is where the mixing belongs, and we should better work on fixing dmix instead of using a sound server. (imho)
[08:06] <DeadDreamer> maybe the computer hangs up cause there are problems with hardware recognition
[08:06] <pranxor> crimsun: that explains the great use of cpu then
[08:06] <DeadDreamer> ok thx kakalto
[08:06] <kakalto> I didn't do much :)
[08:06] <andrewski> is there a flash package for ubuntu?
[08:06] <kakalto> yes
[08:06] <kakalto> I thihnk
[08:07] <thundrcleeze> it's in universal, isn't it?
[08:07] <b4tm4n> is this a correct link for the newest live cd of ubuntu for mac?
[08:07] <dgr> ahhhhhhhh...
[08:07] <b4tm4n> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/hoary-live-powerpc.iso
[08:07] <b4tm4n> ?
[08:07] <dgr> enjoying xchat with my nice font :)
[08:07] <andrewski> anyone have a name for it?
[08:07] <crimsun> chrissturm: it requires changing certain mmap semantics
[08:07] <Nonphasis> andrewski, ubuntuduide.org
[08:08] <Nonphasis> andrewski, ubuntuguide.org
[08:08] <andrewski> Nonphasis: thanks.
[08:08] <DeadDreamer> kakalto ppc is power pc, isn't it?
[08:08] <crimsun> chrissturm: since that isn't going to happen at all, there needs to be a restructuring of alsa's mmap. I don't foresee that happening in a stable release.
[08:08] <chrissturm> crimsun: interesting. i was just wondering, thanks for clearing that up
[08:08] <DeadDreamer> or is it portable pc?
[08:08] <thundrcleeze> It's probably powerpc, DeadDreamer
[08:09] <crimsun> pranxor: some people in #nvidia may be able to help with that issue if you're patient.
[08:09] <DeadDreamer> but i haven't a power pc... ?!
[08:09] <pranxor> crimsun: thanks for all your help, I`ll try that :)
[08:09] <Nonphasis> about the sound issue - it's rather annyoing to have to manually disable sound server for various programs
[08:10] <netmonk> hello, friends ;)
[08:11] <chrissturm> crimsun: so it would be possible to fix it in alsa, but only with structural changes that can only happen in a new major release?
[08:11] <thundrcleeze> DeadDreamer, the PowerPC version should work on Apple Macintosh G3, G4, and G5 computers, including iBooks and PowerBooks.
[08:11] <netmonk> just upgraded to hoary and need some help to get few things *fixed*
[08:11] <crimsun> Nonphasis: I avoid that by using polypaudio with alsa for things that need (are configured to use) esd. Native alsa apps just work. EsounD apps just work. Eventually polypaudio will supplant esd in gnome.
[08:11] <DeadDreamer> so but i have an intel centrino notebook
[08:11] <dgr> lol
[08:11] <dgr> then go for an x86 image...!?
[08:11] <thundrcleeze> Then just use the x86 version.
[08:11] <Nonphasis> polypaudio? gotta check that out
[08:11] <kobs> Let's say I were to make a Symantec Ghost image of my Ubuntu install to go to multiple machines.. How would i go about so that everytime i ghosted a computer, it had a unique hostname?
[08:12] <blah09> ugh disconnected, did anyone answer my boot order qn?
[08:12] <crimsun> Nonphasis: if you're running Hoary, just install the various polypaudio packages.
[08:12] <Nonphasis> crimsun, roger
[08:12] <crimsun> (universe)
[08:12] <DeadDreamer> dgr: i have an x86 image lol
[08:13] <jepe> hello there! can I get support for ubuntu here?
[08:13] <dgr> DeadDreamer: uhm. so what are you trying to tell us? ;)
[08:13] <crimsun> jepe: generally, yes.
[08:13] <randabis> do they work well yet crimsun? I never could get get everything going right with polypaudio
[08:13] <randabis> blah too many gets
[08:13] <jepe> I have a problem with my network card not being recognized
[08:13] <DeadDreamer> i asked why i should post my problem in the ppc section if i have an intel machine
[08:13] <Nonphasis> hmm, it's going to remove esound. oh well :)
[08:14] <jepe> its a realtek chipset
[08:14] <dgr> DeadDreamer: sounds like a silly suggestion
[08:14] <DeadDreamer> |20:05:56| <kakalto> DeadDremer, post in the PPC section <-- that's why i'm wondering
[08:14] <jepe> supposedly supported in the helpfile
[08:15] <jepe> when I installed it was not recognized
[08:15] <dgr> DeadDreamer: better post in the x86 section ;)
[08:15] <crimsun> randabis: works great here. Both alsa and EsounD apps just work, because I set polypaudio to use its alsa modules.
[08:15] <DeadDreamer> ok thx dgr
[08:15] <randabis> hmm maybe I'll give it another shot. I can always go back to esound if I need to
[08:15] <chrissturm> crimsun: anything other to configure than install all polypaudio modules?
[08:15] <jepe> anyone suggetstions how to fix this?
[08:16] <kakalto> how do I unpackage a .deb file?
[08:16] <DeadDreamer> but i'm going to post in the german forum
[08:16] <DeadDreamer> it's easier to explain for me :)
[08:16] <dgr> that's what I'd do, too
[08:16] <kakalto> dpkg -something <file>
[08:16] <kakalto> ?
[08:16] <dgr> is there a better player than xmms for people like me, with biiiiiiiig playlists?
[08:16] <Nonphasis> damn, ET still didn't work
[08:17] <crimsun> chrissturm: configure /etc/polypaudio/default.pa to use alsa
[08:17] <meister> dgr: rythmbox ?
[08:17] <kakalto> dgr, rhythmbox
[08:17] <kakalto> however you spell it
[08:17] <dgr> hm, ok, where do i get the mp3-plugin that is needed?
[08:17] <dgr> rhythmbox is korrekt, afaik
[08:17] <kakalto> yay lol
[08:17] <crimsun> dgr: universe. Instructions on /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:18] <kakalto> or go to www.ubuntuguide.org, to the section about multimedia codecs
[08:18] <chrissturm> crimsun: thx.
[08:18] <dgr> crimsun: thank you
[08:19] <randabis> do you need to reboot for polypaudio?
[08:19] <crimsun> no
[08:19] <randabis> okay, mind sharing how to get it started then? :) I appreciate it
[08:19] <crimsun> it's literally a drop-in replacement for esd
[08:20] <randabis> I changed default.pa already
[08:20] <crimsun> well, if you don't want to log out and back in, then start polypaudio manually
[08:20] <crimsun> otherwise, just log out and back in
[08:20] <randabis> I'll just logout real quick then :p
[08:21] <thundrcleeze> My printer has installed itself to /postscript/Epson ... but it's not a postscript printer.  How do I remove/disable postscript support or fix this?
[08:21] <kakalto> ah well, bye
[08:21] <searcher`> is there actually a way to disable esd all together and just use ALSA?
[08:21] <searcher`> cut out the middle-man so to speak
[08:21] <crimsun> searcher`: use alsasource and alsasink for gstreamer-properties
[08:21] <randabis> okay
[08:22] <randabis> it "should" be working now then?
[08:22] <searcher`> crimsun: i'll try that once my ubuntu finishes installing in 13 mins
[08:22] <randabis> it's okay that multimedia systems still says esd?
[08:22] <luuke> crimsun: chroot works like a charm, thanks :)
[08:22] <crimsun> randabis: certainly. It's a drop-in replacement for esd.
[08:22] <randabis> okay. :)
[08:22] <randabis> I suppose it's working then
[08:22] <randabis> since I have soudn
[08:23] <crimsun> you also won't have to kill the polypaudio daemon to use alsa directly
[08:23] <randabis> cool
[08:23] <chrissturm> hmm, my usb2 harddrive isnt automatically mounted anymore in hoary
[08:23] <randabis> now I need to figure out how to keep it from recording system sounds when I record with my microphone
[08:24] <thundrcleeze> The test page prints out OK, in any other program it identifies it as a PS printer.
[08:24] <Nonphasis> polypaido still prevented Enemy Territory from starting...
[08:24] <chrissturm> and before there was a program that displayed all volumes and allowed to mount them
[08:24] <crimsun> Nonphasis: configured to use oss emulation (default) or alsa directly?
[08:24] <Nonphasis> crimsun, OSS apparently
[08:24] <dgr> ok, see you guys
[08:24] <Jousto> Hello! I'm about to install ubuntu on my Amd 900mhz computer, do you think my mail-sent ubuntu will work on that?
[08:24] <Nonphasis> dd-autoload-sink output module-oss device="/dev/dsp" sink_name=output source_n$add-autoload-source input module-oss device="/dev/dsp" sink_name=output source_$
[08:25] <dgr> Jousto: it most probably will
[08:25] <crimsun> Nonphasis: yeah, you might have missed the part where I said I configured default.pa to use alsa directly.
[08:25] <randabis> heh gnome-volume-control won't open (but it wouldn't before anyway once I enabled the +20db mic switch)
[08:25] <thundrcleeze> Jousto, it works on a 1 ghz computer fine
[08:25] <Nonphasis> crimsun, so I uncommadd-autoload-sink output module-alsa-sink sink_name=output
[08:25] <Nonphasis> ent the
[08:25] <Nonphasis> and the other line?
[08:25] <thundrcleeze> Jousto, so you shouldn't have any problems
[08:26] <crimsun> Nonphasis: and comment out the oss lines.
[08:26] <Nonphasis> crimsun, ack
[08:26] <crimsun> Nonphasis: then restart polypaudio
[08:26] <dueyfinster> I am trying to install Ubuntu but it fails to load 'disc drive' and asks me for drivers on a floppy, any one have any ideas? thanks!
[08:27] <Nonphasis> restart where? desktop/prefs/sound server startup?
[08:27] <crimsun> or pkill it, then start it back up, or log out and back in.
[08:27] <chrissturm> what could be the use for my usb disk not being automatically mounted?
[08:28] <crimsun> chrissturm: hoary? it works here...
[08:28] <FAST> hwo do i kill firefox from the terminal ?
[08:29] <wezzer-> killall -9 firefox-bin
[08:29] <chrissturm> crimsun: i have it always connected and turned on. when i turn it off and on again it appears, but with a new name (MAXTOR-1 instead of MAXTOR)
[08:29] <FAST> thanks
[08:29] <chrissturm> FAST: better try without the -9 first :)
[08:30] <thundrcleeze> Not meaning to be impatient, but I have to print out something for work.  Any suggestions for my printer?
[08:30] <bubbanga> question, any reason why ubuntu would switch to read only file system? i try to use sudo and it says readonly file system
[08:30] <evarlast> thundrcleeze: ask brak?  ;)
[08:31] <valerix> salve
[08:31] <valerix> a tutti
[08:31] <bubbanga> sudo: Can't open /var/run/sudo/delltony/0: Read-only file system
[08:31] <valerix> ho un problemino
[08:31] <valerix> non riesco a accedere
[08:31] <valerix> al root
[08:31] <valerix> la pass
[08:31] <valerix> durante l'installazione
[08:31] <valerix> non me la ha chiesta
[08:31] <crimsun> bubbanga: problems with your /var fs ?
[08:31] <evarlast> valerix: 'sudo -s'
[08:31] <thundrcleeze> evarlast, tried it, he wasn't any help.  He kept going on about some cardboard box.
[08:32] <crimsun> thundrcleeze: have you searched on the wiki?
[08:32] <valerix> prima
[08:32] <valerix> sudo
[08:32] <valerix> poi
[08:32] <valerix> -s
[08:32] <bubbanga> how do i fix it?
[08:32] <bubbanga> cause if i reboot it works for a while then it goes to crap again
[08:32] <bubbanga> and it was working fine
[08:32] <chrissturm> bubanga: maybe filesystem errors
[08:32] <valerix> come pass che metto
[08:32] <thundrcleeze> crimsun, not yet, I'll do that right now.
[08:33] <crimsun> bubbanga: I'm asking if there _are_ problems. dmesg will tell you more. Your symptoms sound like hardware failure.
[08:33] <bubbanga> thats strange but ok let me look
[08:33] <bubbanga> ext3-error read only file system
[08:34] <dueyfinster> I am trying to install Ubuntu but it fails to load 'disc drive' and asks me for drivers on a floppy, any one have any ideas? thanks!
[08:34] <bubbanga> EXT3-fs error (device hda1) in start_transaction: Readonly filesystem
[08:34] <bubbanga>  thats all it says
[08:34] <randabis> uh oh
[08:35] <randabis> I did something in alsa mixer and now sound is only coming from the left speaker :/
[08:35] <marioch> hello, does the AMD Athlon mobile 64 bits, is considered as a (AMD64) 64 bits CPU?
[08:35] <randabis> is there a way to reset alsamixer?
[08:35] <revildab> anyone know why my wireless card isnt detected? i dont mean drivers/etc , i mean the actual hardware isnt even listed when i do lspxi
[08:35] <HugoCaracol> I intalled ubuntu this morning.. now.. after I login... when I try to open for exaple an appliction from the "System configuration"... the window opens and in less then a second... it goes away.. I mean disappear. Does anyone know what is going on?! :S
[08:36] <marioch> because I have problems to install Ubuntu AMD64 bits, just hangs on the language selction screen
[08:36] <crimsun> marioch: yes.
[08:36] <marioch> crimsun, I;m able to install ubuntu i386 but not ubuntu amd64
[08:37] <crimsun> marioch: wait, does the label say 64 bit?
[08:37] <or> i understand thet ubuntu linux come with 2.6 kernrel and i want to know if i can instal ubuntu with 2.4 kernel
[08:37] <marioch> yes it says AMD mobile 64 bits
[08:37] <crimsun> marioch: then it's 64-bit
[08:38] <marioch> mmm I did try disabling ACPI but it still hang on the first screen
[08:38] <crimsun> or: not by default. You can always compile and/or install your own 2.4 kernel afterward.
[08:38] <marioch> crimsun, yes but I did want the fast-track ;)
[08:38] <crimsun> or: be aware the ubuntu kernels have quite a few additional patches.
[08:39] <or> i cant choose 2.4 in the install?
[08:39] <blah09> can i build my own ubuntu kernel?
[08:39] <crimsun> or: no.
[08:39] <marioch> mmm any suggestion on how can I debug the issue?
[08:39] <crimsun> blah09: using linux-source-2.6.8.1 (warty) or linux-source-2.6.10 (hoary), yes
[08:39] <blah09> oh ok, thanks
[08:40] <superted_> anyone succesfully got a dc program working in ubuntu?
[08:40] <randabis> dcgui works
[08:40] <or> and there are peckage of 2.4 kernel for ubuntu or i need to bulit it in my own?
[08:41] <crimsun> or: in universe there are 2.4 kernels. It's recommended you build your own, however.
[08:41] <marioch> mi notebook have a VIA chipset, I'm not sure it that can be the problem
[08:41] <superted_> randabis: you using it?
[08:41] <netmonk> is there a way to organize the applications menu in Hoary?
[08:41] <or> why?
[08:42] <randabis> I used to use it
[08:42] <crimsun> or: because if you're itching for a non-default kernel, you should know the warnings and ins and outs.
[08:43] <rapha> Hi all
[08:43] <wezzer> hi
[08:43] <or> its hard to compile the 2.6 kernel with a new moudel?
[08:43] <thundrcleeze> no luck.  I still need some way to print.
[08:43] <Dark_Kyo> what's the difference between OSS and ALSA output in XMMS?
[08:44] <crimsun> Dark_Kyo: the former uses oss, the latter, alsa.
[08:44] <thundrcleeze> I tried the wiki, but couldn't find anything
[08:44] <rapha> We're trying to connect my friends laptop (running Ubuntu) to my WLAN-router. We've disabled all security measures on the router, but still, the laptop doesn't connect to the AP... is there anything special to be done other than "iwconfig wlan0 essid Any; iwconfig wlan0 mode Managed"?
[08:44] <crimsun> Dark_Kyo: in ubuntu's case, the former is alsa's oss emulation; the latter is direct alsa.
[08:44] <Dark_Kyo> i'ts recommend use OSS or alsa?
[08:44] <dueyfinster> I am trying to install Ubuntu but it fails to load 'disc drive' and asks me for drivers on a floppy, any one have any ideas? thanks!
[08:45] <crimsun> the alsa directly if possible.
[08:45] <crimsun> _unless_ you want to stick with ubuntu's default configuration.
[08:45] <crimsun> in that case, use esd output.
[08:45] <or> its hard to compile the 2.6 kernel with a new moudel?
[08:45] <crimsun> or: no. What module are you attempting to compile?
[08:45] <Dark_Kyo> ok thank crimson but i have a gamesurround fortissimo II but when i put the volume of pcm on High setting i have a satured sound
[08:46] <crimsun> Dark_Kyo: so keep it below 70%
[08:46] <rapha> Oh wait, we just used the builtin GUI tool from Ubuntu, and it got into the AP :-)
[08:47] <Dark_Kyo> ok :-) i understand this
[08:47] <dueyfinster> I am trying to install Ubuntu but it fails to load 'disc drive' and asks me for drivers on a floppy, any one have any ideas? thanks!
[08:48] <or> i need to add a module to 2.6 kernel so the eciadsl driver for my modem will work, in 2.4 kernel i dont need to add this module
[08:48] <randabis> or, not at all, as long as you get the correct module, the linux headers, and the build tools
[08:48] <crimsun> or: have you checked to see if it's included in linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)?
[08:49] <randabis> but yeah, check restricted modules...lots of goodies there
[08:49] <phantomdata> Crazy question; but I'm downloading the Hoary Live distribution for testing here at work...  is it work safe?
[08:49] <crimsun> work-safe? as in...?
[08:50] <phantomdata> As in, are there unavoidable naked people?
[08:50] <crimsun> yes, it's sfw.
[08:50] <or> ok i will try it after i will install ubuntu
[08:50] <phantomdata> Ok.  Cool.
[08:50] <crimsun> and there were never any naked people.
[08:50] <or> Thank you all
[08:51] <phantomdata> Mm.  Perhaps "Clothing Challenged" individuals.  :)  "Partially nude", hwatever it may be.
[08:51] <dueyfinster> I am trying to install Ubuntu but it fails to load 'disc drive' and asks me for drivers on a floppy, any one have any ideas? thanks!
[08:52] <crimsun> dueyfinster: need more information about the hardware.
[08:52] <evarlast> I know this guy who got killed for using ubuntu in iran, because of the nekkid people.  j/k
[08:53] <hawkman> is it just Ubuntu or the new Gnome 2.8 that won't let me configure the file manager to show a treevieew and not open every folder in a new window.
[08:53] <klaym> it's pretty HC, that threesome on the Ubuntu logo
[08:54] <hathar> i keep getting the same error with apt-get .. Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) bzip2: Compressed file ends unexpectedly;perhaps it is corrupted?  *Possible* reason follows.bzip2: Inappropriate ioctl for device        Input file = (stdin), output file = (stdout)  its not just for that one file I get half a dozen of
[08:54] <hathar> those
[08:54] <phantomdata> hawkman: If I'm not mistaken, it should be Nautilus' fault.  It's that new "Spatial View" thing that they were raving about.  Essentially returns Nautilus to Windows 95 behavior.  ;p
[08:54] <AndyR> lo all
[08:55] <phantomdata> hawkman: Something about preventing you from organizing your files down to a T is a good thing.  ;p  I always make a new shortcut to "nautilus --browser" to fix that.
[08:56] <hawkman> ugh...  now if I could make nautilus let me access my windows shares I'd be even more less happy :)
[08:56] <tritium> phantomdata, why not just change the behavior in the settings, if you prefer browser?
[08:56] <dueyfinster> I am trying to install Ubuntu but it fails to load 'disc drive' and asks me for drivers on a floppy, my drives are NEC DVDRW and Samsung CD-R/RW and I have Maxator Hard drive
[08:58] <tritium> hawkman, in a nautilus window:  Edit->Preferences->Behavior (tab): check "Always open in browser windows"
[08:58] <[PoVal] Dutchy> im trying to install php5 with mysql but i got this error:
[08:58] <[PoVal] Dutchy> Package php5-mysql is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:58] <[PoVal] Dutchy> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:58] <[PoVal] Dutchy> is only available from another source
[08:58] <[PoVal] Dutchy> E: Package php5-mysql has no installation candidate
[08:58] <[PoVal] Dutchy> oops
[08:58] <[PoVal] Dutchy> bit long :)
[08:59] <[PoVal] Dutchy> does this mean i have to configure it with mysql manually?
[08:59] <jaco> [PoVal] Dutchy yes
[08:59] <jaco> but it is'nt so difficoltous
[08:59] <[PoVal] Dutchy> any hints on how i would do that?
[08:59] <jaco> call down and i'll put here a link
[09:00] <hawkman> Tritium no it's complainign about my shortcut being a desktop configuration file and not a samba configuration or something.
[09:01] <tritium> hawkman, that's just how you'd change it from "Win95" behavior to "browser" behavior
[09:01] <jaco> [PoVal] Dutchy you can read this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7964&highlight=php5
[09:01] <[PoVal] Dutchy> ok thank you
[09:02] <martin__> Dr Suess
[09:02] <netmonk> can anyone help me with acpi on a toshiba laptop, pls?
[09:03] <martin__> hello all anyone else had problems installing harden on ubuntu?
[09:03] <martin__> what sort of prob netmonk?
[09:04] <klaym> is there somewhere a list of programs to be started up when ubuntu is started? Or some folder? When I use gnome's own tool, it seems buggy, it sometimes opens up the same program multiple times.
[09:04] <martin__> klaym have a look in /etc/rc2.d for startup scripts
[09:04] <Anubis> Firefox just keeps crashing in Hoary
[09:04] <Anubis> FYI
[09:05] <Anubis> Kirk
[09:05] <Anubis> out
[09:05] <klaym> martin__ ok thanks
[09:06] <netmonk> martin__, I upgraded to hoary and it seems like acpi is not fully functional. I have toshiba satellite A40-261, in warty had fnfx work fine, but not now. when i do lsmod I don't see some modules with the name "toshiba" in them, like it was before
[09:07] <martin__> do an apt-cache search on toshiba utils or something like that, otherwise you may have to compile a new kernel with those modules built in.
[09:08] <altan> hmm, how long will the kernel take to compile on a P2 400MHz with 192MB of RAM? some sort of ballpark figure?
[09:08] <altan> it probably took 5-10 minutes on my p4
[09:08] <netmonk> martin__, how do I do apt-cache search, sorry for the question?
[09:08] <evarlast> altan: 45min
[09:09] <martin__> bit longer -takes about 2hrs on my old IBM
[09:09] <altan> hmm, thanks. is this from experience?
[09:09] <altan> martin: what was your old IBM?
[09:10] <martin__> netmonk u would do this from a terminal, make sure you edit your sources.list to include the online repositories
[09:10] <martin__> thinkpad 570
[09:11] <altan> how fast?
[09:11] <martin__> 333, 192mb ram
[09:12] <martin__> that is including doing the config tho
[09:12] <Coily> how do i disable the password prompt at login?
[09:13] <altan> I configured it and set everything up already
[09:15] <kent> Coily, you want it to autologin a user? Once you are loged in, there is a program that lets you configure the login-screen.  You can find it in the menu.
[09:15] <Coily> checking
[09:15] <martin__> altan u having probs with a tosh?
[09:16] <kent> Coily, i am running Hoary (the unstable branch which will be next Ubuntu) so im not 100% sure what the program is called and where it is, but its probably in Computer somewhere. From that program you can configure it to autologin a specific user.
[09:19] <phantomdata> You guys might know a good answer.  Is there any software OTHER than k3b that you guys recommend for burning cds?
[09:19] <tritium> graveman
[09:19] <Coily> oh right, i thought that since there was no command prompt, it would only pick user but still ask for pw. thanks for the help
[09:19] <Coily> command=password
[09:20] <Coily> password field, actually
 altan u having probs with a tosh? <-- ?
[09:21] <sig_ubuntu> sup sup
[09:22] <Coily> now to figure out why synaptic wont uninstall j2sdk1.5.0
[09:22] <fox_in_sox> Coily have u tried to remove with apt?
[09:23] <Coily> apt-get -?
[09:23] <fox_in_sox> remove packagename
[09:23] <Coily> tryinh
[09:25] <Coily> nope, same error
[09:25] <fox_in_sox> what error do u get?
[09:25] <Chest> guys, I have a basic install of ubuntu, no gnome or anything.  What package should I install in order to get gnome?
[09:25] <Coily> subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[09:26] <Coily> rm: cannot remove `/usr/bin/jconsole': No such file or directory
[09:26] <fox_in_sox> try a dpkg --configure -a, then try again
[09:27] <marcin_ant> Coily: try - apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:28] <Chest> holy crap thats like a gig
[09:28] <Coily> !
[09:28] <Chest> does ubuntu-desktop install kde as well
[09:28] <Chest> and gnome
[09:28] <Chest> t?
[09:28] <[PoVal] Dutchy> owww before it's too late... when following this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7964&page=2&pp=10&highlight=php5 , how do i configure it to use mysql
[09:28] <Agrajag> just gnome
[09:29] <rouven> hi all!
[09:29] <Riddell> Chest: only gnome, you can install kde if you want, there will be a kde cd at some point
[09:29] <Chest> Riddell: okay, but a gig just for gnome?
[09:29] <rouven> does anybody when the results of the website competition are going to be announced?
[09:30] <Riddell> Chest: well windows is a gig and you don't get any applications with that
[09:31] <Chest> Riddell: what if I install say gnome control center, i should get a working gnome desktop right, minus apps
[09:31] <blah09> hi, is it safe to disable all the sound modules when building a kernel, apart from the one i have?
[09:31] <fox_in_sox> and dont forget windows is sh1t
[09:31] <fox_in_sox> blah09 yep
[09:31] <blah09> thanks
[09:32] <blah09> building everything into the kernel is ok too?
[09:32] <blah09> everything i'm sure i need i mea
[09:32] <blah09> mean
[09:32] <marcin_ant> rouven: jdub said yesterday that poll is going to be established "in few days"
[09:32] <Riddell> Chest: you can uninstall any application you don't want
[09:32] <fox_in_sox> u can disable loads makes for a smaller quicker kernel
[09:32] <Al> hi
[09:32] <blah09> thats what im hoping =)
[09:32] <Chest> Riddell: yeah, but id rather start small and build up than the other way around
[09:33] <rouven> marcin ant: i submitted a mockup and wondered what happened. thanks :)
[09:33] <Al> i got a little problem during the ubuntu install on a viao laptop : i got a red screen during a long time
[09:33] <Al> if someone can help me :)
[09:33] <fox_in_sox> have u got a little wierd screen res vaio
[09:33] <Riddell> Chest: ubuntu installs everything by default
[09:33] <marcin_ant> rouven: I did too :)
[09:34] <Al> fox_in_sox: yes i have
[09:34] <Chest> Riddell: not in expert mode, which i picked.  i only have a base install
[09:34] <fox_in_sox> ah - had loads of probs getting debian onto one of those
[09:34] <Chest> just the basics
[09:34] <marcin_ant> rouven: it's very strange and a bit annoying but anyway - we can only wait ;)
[09:34] <Al> fox_in_sox: what should i do ?
[09:34] <tritium> dialog boxes don't seem to ever get focus
[09:34] <fox_in_sox> does it boot
[09:35] <Riddell> Chest: ah clever
[09:35] <rouven> marcin_ant: hehe. you show me yours, i'll show you mine ?
[09:35] <marcin_ant> rouven: ok no problem
[09:35] <Al> fox_in_sox: yes, but after i choose my hostname, i do that !
[09:35] <Al> fox_in_sox: it's a netinstall iso
[09:35] <sabine> Hi all! Where do I get the latest kernel-source package for UBUNTU (hoary), NOT for Debian?
[09:35] <blah09> wow the stock kernel has just about everything as a module doesnt it
[09:35] <matt__> Hi, I am having an issue, I had warty installed.  I then proceeded to install hoary hedgehog via "apt-get dist-upgrade" (after updating the sources to hoary instead of warty) .. the sound used to work, I am using an intel integrated sound chip on a hp zd7000 notebook.  now with hoary, the sound doesnt work.  I killed the gnome sound daemon, and also did alsamixer-- but no channels were muted, and the volume i made sure was turned up on all.  I then
[09:35] <matt__>  try to use an alsa app--> xine it doesnt work.  I try aplay on some .wav files.. no go. So, i am having a strange issue.. sound ceases to work.
[09:35] <blah09> linux-source-2.6.10
[09:35] <marcin_ant> rouven: and in fact I was really courious what other submissions are
[09:36] <blah09> (@sabine)
[09:36] <sabine> blah09: What rep is that in?
[09:36] <blah09> is there a way to check? i have universe and multiverse enabled too
[09:37] <or> with what version of the kernel ubuntu come?
[09:37] <tritium> Ah, I'm being bitten by bug #3159
[09:37] <_d4vid> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:37] <_d4vid>   synaptic: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 but it is not installable
[09:37] <_d4vid> E: Broken packages
[09:37] <fox_in_sox> hmm, have you googled for it, when i installed debian on one of these it didn't have a problem with the screen res, u should at least get console access u may want to try a base install and upgrade from that
[09:37] <_d4vid> why ?
[09:37] <blah09> 2.6.8 for warty and 2.6.10 for hoary
[09:38] <_mvo_> _d4vid: try "sudo apt-get update" and try it again
[09:38] <_mvo_> a new apt entered the archive and all dependencies of apt need to be rebuild then
[09:38] <Al> fox_in_sox: okay, i got the console
[09:38] <fox_in_sox> _d4vid have you added debian archives to ur sources.list?
[09:38] <_d4vid> nope
[09:39] <netmonk> I just found out that 2.6.10-2 in hoary lacks some modules
[09:39] <or>  and i dont understand if all peckage of debian sarge get inside ubuntu
[09:39] <Phr0stByt> OK - I just installed Ubuntu and I cannot log onto Gnome - get a "your session has only lasted less than 10 seconds....
[09:39] <Phr0stByt> Any ideqas?
[09:39] <Phr0stByt> *ideas?
[09:40] <fox_in_sox> Al, do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and follow on at some point u should be asked about res
[09:40] <blah09> do modules slow the kernel down?
[09:40] <blah09> unused modules that is
[09:40] <tritium> seb128, is the metacity focus-stealing-prevention logic still a work in progress?
[09:40] <_d4vid> fox_in_sox, what for deb archives ?
[09:40] <fox_in_sox> blah09 wont make any noticeable differnece on fast systems
[09:40] <or> and i dont understand if all peckage of debian sarge get inside ubuntu
[09:40] <seb128> tritium: that's working fine now if that's the questiob
[09:41] <Coily> well no luck with dpkg
[09:41] <tritium> seb128, not for me.
[09:41] <seb128> feel free to add comments on the bug open for that
[09:41] <tritium> okay
[09:41] <seb128> you are using bugged apps
[09:41] <blah09> oh so i might as well just leave most of them in
[09:41] <seb128> just mention which ones
[09:41] <tritium> all right
[09:41] <seb128> the apps I'm using work fine
[09:42] <tritium> gedit right now
[09:42] <seb128> there is a bug open about gedit
[09:42] <seb128> another one ?
[09:42] <tritium> thunderbird
[09:42] <tritium> password dialog boxes
[09:42] <seb128> don't use this one
[09:42] <or> there are a list of the pekage of ubuntu on the net?
[09:42] <Al> fox_in_sox: xserver-xfree86 is broken or not fully installed :(
[09:42] <seb128> password from thunderbird ?
[09:42] <BSDskin> got a question about nautilus under ubuntu hoary: I can't seem to access or change the menus using ctrl-l applications:/// or sudo nautilus applications:///.  Is this a known problem or just me?
[09:43] <fox_in_sox> or run dselect if u want to see all ubuntu packages
[09:43] <tritium> seb128, passwords for mail servers
[09:43] <seb128> in thunderbird you mean ?
[09:43] <tritium> yes
[09:43] <seb128> applications:/// is deprecated with the new menu system
[09:43] <BSDskin> tnx, seb128.  what's the new method?
[09:44] <seb128> command line
[09:44] <seb128> create desktop files for the entries you need
[09:44] <BSDskin> and put them where?
[09:44] <fox_in_sox> oo, u will need to reinstall it, do an apt-get update then install
[09:45] <BSDskin> I'm farily impressed with ubuntu so far.  This is the only completely baffling problem I've had
[09:45] <fox_in_sox> wos that BSD
[09:45] <Al> the source.list is broken
[09:45] <kent> have some one here gotten muine working with Hoary?
[09:45] <BSDskin> editing the applications menu
[09:46] <Al> does someone have a ubuntu server available ?
[09:46] <fox_in_sox> want a copy of mine
[09:46] <Al> fox_in_sox: yes :)
[09:46] <BSDskin> I just need to know where it's stored
[09:46] <seb128> BSDskin: /usr/share/applications or ~/.local/share/applications/
[09:46] <BSDskin> thanks a lot
[09:46] <fox_in_sox> its just default with online reposotories uncommented out
[09:46] <mwh_> hmm wird, xchat has trouble saving my channel/server settings :(
[09:46] <seb128> np
[09:47] <BSDskin> and that's better than applications:///  ;-)
[09:47] <sabine> blah09: Only universe and multiverse, yes? No extra repositories?
[09:47] <seb128> xfce has an editor for menus apparently
[09:47] <BSDskin> my other favorite
[09:47] <dholbach> _d4vid: you won't have to wait long
[09:47] <seb128> if somebody wants to work to get this in universe that could be nice
[09:47] <sabine> Damn!
[09:47] <netmonk> can someone please tell me how to put the ubuntu cursors? I upgraded to hoary and they vanished...
[09:47] <dholbach> _d4vid: did you do     sudo apt-get update
[09:47] <blah09> nope
[09:47] <blah09> well marillat's, but those won't have kernel stuff
[09:47] <sabine> Why don't I find the ubuntu kernel sources when I got both universe and multiverse and whatnot enabled?
[09:48] <blah09> they should be called linux-source
[09:48] <sabine> They are
[09:48] <sabine> But I only got the Debian ones
[09:48] <mwh_> anyone using xchat in ubuntu warty? it cant save my channels and server settings :(
[09:48] <alejandrodelloco> huuurk
[09:48] <blah09> $ apt-cache search linux-source
[09:48] <blah09> linux-patch-ubuntu-2.6.10 - Ubuntu patches to Linux 2.6.10
[09:48] <blah09> linux-source-2.6.10 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.10 with Ubuntu patches
[09:48] <alejandrodelloco> How does one get yaboot to work when installing on ppc to an external drive
[09:48] <tritium> netmonk, you'll have to wait for an update on that one
[09:48] <_d4vid> dholbach, yes
[09:49] <dholbach> _d4vid: and then     sudo apt-get install synaptic    again
[09:49] <matt__> anyone have a clue what might be causing my sound issue?
[09:49] <alejandrodelloco> I can't install yaboot
[09:49] <matt__> Hi, I am having an issue, I had warty installed.  I then proceeded to install hoary hedgehog via "apt-get dist-upgrade" (after updating the sources to hoary instead of warty) .. the sound used to work, I am using an intel integrated sound chip on a hp zd7000 notebook.  now with hoary, the sound doesnt work.  I killed the gnome sound daemon, and also did alsamixer-- but no channels were muted, and the volume i made sure was turned up on all.  I then
[09:49] <matt__>  try to use an alsa app--> xine it doesnt work.  I try aplay on some .wav files.. no go. So, i am having a strange issue.. sound ceases to work.
[09:49] <alejandrodelloco> it makes baby jesus cry
[09:49] <blah09> matt did you set xine to use esd?
[09:50] <matt__> no- should I?
[09:50] <matt__> i disabled esd.
[09:50] <blah09> yeah i had the same problem
[09:50] <tritium> matt__, what was removed when you dist-upgraded?
[09:50] <blah09> when i set my apps to esd, everything worked again
[09:50] <_d4vid> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:50] <_d4vid>   synaptic: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 but it is not installable
[09:50] <_d4vid> E: Broken packages
[09:50] <_d4vid> :(
[09:50] <matt__> tritium- not sure :( is there a log i can check?
[09:50] <fox_in_sox> syslog
[09:51] <netmonk> tritium, thanks. I noticed that with 2.6.10-2 some modules do not load as they do with 2.6.9. is waiting going to help with that too ;)
[09:51] <Phr0stByt> OK - I just installed Ubuntu and I cannot log onto Gnome - get a "your session has only lasted less than 10 seconds.... Any ideas?
[09:51] <dholbach> _d4vid: does    sudo apt-get install     (without a package) work for you?
[09:51] <alejandrodelloco> hep!
[09:51] <alejandrodelloco> who here is a PPC mogul?
[09:51] <tritium> fox_in_sox, syslog doesn't log package installation/removal
[09:51] <_d4vid> sudo apt-get install
[09:51] <_d4vid> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:51] <_d4vid> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[09:51] <_d4vid> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[09:52] <fox_in_sox> depends how uve set it up
[09:52] <dholbach> _d4vid: sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:52] <tritium> netmonk, no, that shouldn't be happening. Which modules?
[09:52] <tritium> fox_in_sox, default
[09:52] <netmonk> tritium, toshiba_acpi
[09:52] <_d4vid> intltool
[09:52] <_d4vid> upgrade..
[09:52] <tritium> netmonk, oh, yes, I think there may be some acpi issues in 2.6.10 being worked on
[09:52] <pranxor> crimsun: dont know if u remember this, but you helped me with some nvidia problems earlier today. I changed the NvAGP setting in XF86Config-4 to 2.Gnome is now responsive and sweet lookin. Thanks again man and now for some hardcore Tuxracin in 3d !!
[09:53] <alejandrodelloco> This is making me sad
[09:53] <netmonk> tritium, when I start hoary with 2.6.9 my wireless doesn't work, I guess I'm gonna wait and pray ;)
[09:53] <alejandrodelloco> netmonk just use ethernet
[09:53] <fox_in_sox> dont be sad, if it was sparc maybe
[09:54] <tritium> netmonk, you mean 2.6.10-2?
[09:54] <netmonk> tritium, wireless works fine with 2.6.10-2, but when I start hoary with 2.6.9 toshiba_acpi works, but no wireless
[09:55] <_d4vid> dholbach, dont help.. :(
[09:55] <sabine> Wierd
[09:55] <_d4vid> same error--
[09:55] <netmonk> alejandrodelloco, ;)
[09:55] <alejandrodelloco> Wireless does not work when you are installing
[09:55] <matt__> tritium: i am not sure if this is related but after using aplay (alsaplayer) a few times on a wav file, I get this at the tail end of dmesg:
[09:55] <sabine> blah09: With apt-get it works, with Synaptic it won't.
[09:55] <alejandrodelloco> it makes me sad
[09:55] <alejandrodelloco> like how i cant install yaboot
[09:55] <wk1989> hi ppl
[09:55] <matt__> codec_write 0: semaphore is not ready for register 0x2
[09:55] <matt__> codec_write 0: semaphore is not ready for register 0x10
[09:55] <matt__> codec_write 0: semaphore is not ready for register 0x10
[09:55] <tritium> alejandrodelloco, and baby jesus too, right?
[09:55] <wk1989> i just wanna know approximately when my cd is gonna arrive
[09:55] <wk1989> I'm in Toronto, Canada, and the CDs were sent on Feb 1st.
[09:56] <wk1989> When is it gonna arrive?
[09:56] <matt__> wk1989, never.
[09:56] <matt__> :)
[09:56] <tritium> netmonk, hmm, very peculiar trade-off for you there
[09:56] <fox_in_sox> I think probably never
[09:56] <wk1989> but in the cd mailing history, it indicates that they already mailed it
[09:56] <[PoVal] Dutchy> funny how i can never find where stuff is installed :)
[09:56] <wk1989> So it's just a matter of time.
[09:56] <netmonk> tritium, hehe, yes. I guess you can say that. ;)
[09:56] <fox_in_sox> the postie will nab em
[09:57] <blah09> i miss the ping that windows makes when you adjust the sound volume... =)
[09:57] <fox_in_sox> i dont
[09:57] <blah09> sabine: i didnt try with synaptic
[09:57] <tritium> netmonk, sorry.  I think the 2.6.10 acpi problems will go away.  What of this wireless problem in 2.6.9?
[09:57] <alejandrodelloco> okay, well, if anyone has mad PPC skills, /msg me
[09:57] <sabine> My mistake then blah09 ... :)
[09:57] <blah09> it avoids you blowing your eardrums out if you have headphones...
[09:57] <blah09> ;)
[09:58] <fox_in_sox> :)
[09:58] <blah09>  is it possible to mount smb shares on boot?
[09:58] <fox_in_sox> yep just add it to ur fstab
[09:58] <tritium> blah09, see ubuntuguide
[09:58] <netmonk> tritium, my wireless worked fine in warty and 2.6.9 with ndiswrapper, but it's not doing great with hoary and 2.6.9
[09:59] <blah09> oh it has that? didnt think to check...
[09:59] <Dishwasher> Anyone have any problems with CUPS in UBUNTU?  Because I'm having quite a bit of trouble.
[09:59] <tritium> netmonk, oh, that...
[10:00] <tritium> netmonk, I don't use it, but I've seen a fair number of questions about it.
[10:00] <[PoVal] Dutchy> stuff is never easy :/
[10:01] <matt__> How do you "blacklist" a module from being loaded?
[10:01] <wk1989> hi, is skype wworking for any of u yet?
[10:01] <CreeVal> anyone know of a good .cue/bin burning prog?
[10:01] <tritium> matt__, append it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[10:01] <netmonk> tritium, things are getting better - I think ;)
[10:01] <tritium> netmonk, hopefully ;)
[10:02] <jesuel> Can anyone suggest  a good development environment for ubuntu, preferably c/c++, python and perl?
[10:02] <wk1989> Hi
[10:03] <wk1989> anyone heard of a language called Turing?
[10:03] <Al> bye all and thanks for all !
[10:03] <wk1989> and there's an IDE for Turing
[10:03] <wk1989> I'm trying to get it working under Ubuntu.
[10:03] <dud> jesuel, just use nano/bluefish or such?
[10:03] <wk1989> ANyone done this before?
[10:03] <alejandrodelloco> I can't even install it
[10:03] <saif> hello every1
[10:03] <alejandrodelloco> it is a sad day for mac owners
[10:03] <dud> wxwindows or glade can do as GUI APIs
[10:04] <fox_in_sox> good ur all mod sun n sgi rule
[10:04] <Mellar> do you think that ubuntu is just as stable as debian unstable?
[10:04] <dud> turing is that artificial life language isnt?
[10:04] <toresbe> yeah, and the dude
[10:05] <jesuel> i havent tried either dud
[10:05] <jesuel> but i will now ;)
[10:05] <toresbe> fox_in_sox: heh, yeah, sun rocks :)
[10:05] <tritium> toresbe, "the dude"?  You mean the father of computer science :)
[10:05] <toresbe> tritium: right, that dude :)
[10:05] <tritium> :)
[10:05] <fox_in_sox> guess who i work 4
[10:05] <alejandrodelloco> who
[10:06] <fox_in_sox> sun ;)
[10:06] <alejandrodelloco> heh
[10:06] <dud> to me sun has really just realized a heap of crap... those damn cobolt servers... java... solaris...
[10:07] <dud> hehe, no pun, just imho
[10:07] <alejandrodelloco> java
[10:07] <alejandrodelloco> heh
[10:07] <fox_in_sox> u shud c solris 10
[10:07] <Phr0stByt> OK - I just installed Ubuntu and I cannot log onto Gnome - get a "your session has only lasted less than 10 seconds.... Any ideas?
[10:07] <alejandrodelloco> why, god, why?!?!
[10:07] <CreeVal> Recommended program: bchunk... .cue and .bin converter...
[10:07] <meister> Sun is funny :)
[10:07] <saif> i just finshed running apt-get dist-upgrade, it downloaded 519 mbs, and i got some errors, and now what do i do?!?! failed to fetch 6 packages in total, should i run a command now?
[10:08] <fox_in_sox> u can install linux apps natively
[10:08] <alejandrodelloco> what is good aboot solaris 10?
[10:08] <dud> try 'apt-get -f install' saif
[10:08] <alejandrodelloco> ahh
[10:08] <alejandrodelloco> well
[10:08] <alejandrodelloco> you can do that in os x too
[10:08] <alejandrodelloco> kind of
[10:08] <alejandrodelloco> not natively
[10:08] <alejandrodelloco> but if you have x installed
[10:08] <saif> dud: ignore the missing packages?
[10:08] <dueyfinster> Sorry, but I have a problem installing Ubuntu when I get to the installing 'disc driver' section, if anyone can help, I would be grateful
[10:08] <dud> funny how sun is doing almost-sortof-diffusely open sourcing solaris hehe
[10:08] <meister> os x is a good system but not for linux fan..
[10:08] <fox_in_sox> as good as
[10:08] <dud> saif, that should fix the packages that failed
[10:08] <alejandrodelloco> it is fun for me
[10:08] <alejandrodelloco> but see
[10:08] <saif> dud: ok thanx!
[10:08] <alejandrodelloco> this is why i am trying to put ubuntu on an external drive
[10:09] <sabine> Sorry, could somebody tell me what repository holds kernel-image-2.6.10-686?
[10:09] <alejandrodelloco> and it is not working
[10:09] <meister> ubuntu ppc ?
[10:09] <dud> sabine, main?
[10:09] <matt__> I thought I would just let you guys know that I fixed the issue, the intel8x0 when coupled with the intel8x0m driver causes sound problems (doesnt work) the intel8x0m is the module for the softmodem portion of the intel chip (i never plan on using the modem) anyways, if anyone else is using the intel 8x0 sound driver with the 8x0m driver that could very well be their problem
[10:09] <alejandrodelloco> yeah
[10:09] <will_cat> one question, if i want to remove gnome from ubuntu and install another graphical desktop, i have to do apt-get remove ....?
[10:09] <alejandrodelloco> meister
[10:09] <CreeVal> Im considering a Mac buy, but i dont want OSX on it... Can i order it without OS?
[10:09] <alejandrodelloco> can you help
[10:09] <alejandrodelloco> No
[10:09] <will_cat> to clean all dependencies
[10:09] <tritium> Is it easy to migrate user data from one to another so that owernship and file permissions are automatically changed?
[10:09] <alejandrodelloco> but it is easy to wope
[10:09] <alejandrodelloco> wipe
[10:09] <matt__> tritium: thanks for your help with the blacklist
[10:09] <ren0> Hi I am having trouble getting my wifi card setup...
[10:09] <sabine> dud: But when I say apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.10-686, it says there is none
[10:09] <alejandrodelloco> you could check ebau
[10:09] <alejandrodelloco> ebay
[10:10] <tritium> matt__, sure
[10:10] <saif> dud: didn't do anything, 0 installed, 0 removed, 0 upgraded!
[10:10] <alejandrodelloco> meister
[10:10] <meister> alejandrodelloco: not try yet
[10:10] <meister> soon :)
[10:10] <randabis> what's the point of getting a mac without osx? that's one of the best things about having a mac
[10:10] <fox_in_sox> dont do it
[10:10] <alejandrodelloco> grr
[10:10] <meister> i need linux installed on my powerbook for Fosdem
[10:10] <alejandrodelloco> i am mad thouth
[10:10] <alejandrodelloco> i have a warty install disk
[10:10] <ren0> It is a Broadcom Corporation BCM94306 802.11g (rev 03)
[10:10] <alejandrodelloco> and it is not installing proper
[10:10] <alejandrodelloco> yaboot wont work
[10:10] <meister> alejandrodelloco :(
[10:10] <ren0> It should work with ndiswrapper...
[10:11] <alejandrodelloco> ?
[10:11] <Coily> fox_in_sox: you around?
[10:11] <meister> alejandrodelloco: what about extreme airport support under linux ?
[10:11] <ren0> I am not sure which one is the .inf file. Anybody know?
[10:11] <alejandrodelloco> err
[10:11] <alejandrodelloco> no idea, meister
[10:11] <fox_in_sox> why
[10:11] <alejandrodelloco> i havent put linux on yet
[10:11] <meister> ok
[10:11] <sabine> In fact, I can't even install kernel-image-2.6. It is listed, but not installable.
[10:11] <alejandrodelloco> i am trying to
[10:11] <alejandrodelloco> it certainly works under os x
[10:12] <[PoVal] Dutchy> bah :/ apache is running with 'MPM' or whatever and that is bad according to php.net ... just my luck
[10:12] <Coily> i tried dpkg --configure -a, didnt help
[10:12] <alejandrodelloco> i am considering just using opendarwin
[10:12] <meister> it's the only reason why i don't install linux on it before
[10:12] <alejandrodelloco> well
[10:12] <meister> openbsd seems to run well on powerbook
[10:12] <alejandrodelloco> im trying to do it onto an old firewire drive
[10:12] <alejandrodelloco> like 4 gig
[10:12] <alejandrodelloco> just for playing with
[10:12] <alejandrodelloco> it does
[10:12] <meister> and yaboot failed ?
[10:12] <alejandrodelloco> but darwin is better
[10:12] <alejandrodelloco> because darwin is made for ppc
[10:12] <meister> sure
[10:13] <meister> the keymapping seems to be ugly
[10:13] <fox_in_sox> hmm how did u install it
[10:13] <alejandrodelloco> yaboot cant install
[10:13] <blah09> " It doesn't create an initrd. All drivers needed at boot time must be statically compiled." does this result in faster boot times?
[10:13] <alejandrodelloco> well
[10:13] <Coily> whats the autocomplete keyboard shortcut?
[10:13] <ren0> Ikeep getting FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
[10:13] <alejandrodelloco> foxinsox, are you talking to me?
[10:13] <Coily> ren0: ubuntuguide.org
[10:13] <fox_in_sox> sorry yes, but no clue what error u get
[10:14] <Coily> wait
[10:14] <meister> Do somedy go to FOSDEM ?
[10:14] <saif> every1, I am having some problems, I upgraded my laptop to hoary ( or still am in the upgrading process) just done with the apt-get dist-upgrade and i got all the packages but six, now it only says that it got them, nothin about installing them, how do i do that?!?
[10:14] <alejandrodelloco> I am installing normally, but it hangs up at "Installing yaboot onto hard drive"
[10:14] <ren0> Thats what I am using.https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[10:14] <Coily> not error inserting, nevermind :x
[10:14] <alejandrodelloco> I was thinking that maybe it is because there is no OS on the drive
[10:14] <ren0> I'm going meister
[10:14] <alejandrodelloco> but the install clears the drive anyway
[10:14] <fox_in_sox> do other os's install ok
[10:14] <alejandrodelloco> sure
[10:15] <alejandrodelloco> I just upgraded OS X
[10:15] <alejandrodelloco> (the security thing)
[10:15] <meister> ren0 :)
[10:15] <fox_in_sox> u sure the cd's ok
[10:15] <Coily> fox_in_sox: i tried dpkg --configure -a, didnt help
[10:15] <alejandrodelloco> yeah
[10:15] <alejandrodelloco> i have several
[10:15] <fox_in_sox> Coily im thinkin
[10:15] <alejandrodelloco> since i got some for my freinds
[10:15] <ren0> where from? meister
[10:16] <meister> ren0: strasbourg (france)
[10:16] <Coily> could there be a link problem?
[10:16] <[PoVal] Dutchy> ok here http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/programs/configure.html#installationdirectories apache will pick the default MPM (--with-MPM) ... but what if i want to install it without using an MPM, whatever it may be
[10:16] <meister> ren0: i will print some presentation sheet and bring about 100 ubuntu x86 cd and livecd
[10:16] <kengur> hi, how does one make gnome recognize fat partition mounted at /windows as virtual drive (show it on desktop and filesystem tree)?
[10:16] <ren0> I'm Australian but live in Den Haag..thats La Haye pour vous.
[10:17] <meister> ren0: ok
[10:17] <alejandrodelloco> is there a problem with iBooks?
[10:17] <alejandrodelloco> I just cant get it to work, and i can't find any documentation over how to handle it
[10:17] <meister> ren0: glad to meet you there :)
[10:17] <saif> aaaaaaaaaah how do I install packages downloaded by apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:18] <Coily> fox_in_sox is it possible that the install folder hasnt been linked?
[10:18] <carambol> thats the download plus install
[10:18] <carambol> saif
[10:18] <ren0> In windows the driver appears to be bcmwl5.sys but ndiswrapper needs an .inf
[10:19] <saif> carambol: yes!
[10:19] <fox_in_sox> dunno sounds like installer havin probs using ide or scsi or ibook whatever
[10:19] <fox_in_sox> ;)
[10:19] <ren0> I'll keep and eye out for the ubuntu people
[10:19] <fox_in_sox> yep
[10:19] <zhukov> Hello!
[10:19] <ren0> at FOSDEM meister
[10:19] <Coily> well what are my other uninstall options
[10:20] <alejandrodelloco> hmm
[10:20] <meister> ren0 :)
[10:20] <alejandrodelloco> grr
[10:20] <fox_in_sox> can u find the package
[10:20] <fox_in_sox> what do ibooks have ide?
[10:21] <ren0> This ndiswrapper thing is doing my head in or is my fine Australian red wine!
[10:21] <fox_in_sox> are the ibook arcitechtures same as other macs
[10:21] <alejandrodelloco> i hold on
[10:21] <alejandrodelloco> pretty sure
[10:21] <alejandrodelloco> hold up
[10:21] <ren0> It looks so easy in the How To - Set up Ndiswrapper
[10:22] <Coily> fox_in_sox it pops up in search, yes
[10:22] <alejandrodelloco> im using a firewire drive btw
[10:22] <fox_in_sox> where is it
[10:22] <fox_in_sox> wtf?
[10:22] <Coily> /usr/lib
[10:22] <alejandrodelloco> ?
[10:22] <fox_in_sox> to boot from
[10:23] <alejandrodelloco> no
[10:23] <alejandrodelloco> well
[10:23] <alejandrodelloco> i want to install it to be able to boot from
[10:23] <alejandrodelloco> and i know a mac can handle booting from firewire
[10:23] <sijoottt> hi
[10:23] <alejandrodelloco> hell, it can become a firewire target disk
[10:24] <saif> come on ppl, i am sure it is not that complicated i spent 16 hours waiting for the upgrade to finish, and i donno what to do next! a simple command, i downloaded the packages using apt-get dist-upgrade 6 packages failed to download, the terminal is full with get: http... and after that the failing massage for those 6 packages, any1? this is the 4th time i ask in 10 mins!
[10:24] <alejandrodelloco> dunno man
[10:24] <Jymmm> What's needed to have the livecd see my wifi nic?
[10:24] <alejandrodelloco> look for where the package downloaded
[10:24] <sijoottt> can anyone help me with ubuntu and the Netgear Wg511 WLAN-card plz query me
[10:25] <alejandrodelloco> and manually do it if you have to
[10:25] <fox_in_sox> u will need to have a special floppy with firewire drivers on
[10:25] <[amasimak] > did you try another apt-get update ?
[10:25] <alejandrodelloco> ahhh
[10:25] <alejandrodelloco> well here's the thing fox
[10:25] <alejandrodelloco> it reads the drive
[10:25] <saif> what other apt-get update?!?!
[10:25] <alejandrodelloco> it does the whole install
[10:25] <fox_in_sox> ok
[10:25] <alejandrodelloco> and it partitions it and puts everything on it
[10:25] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  I'm tyring to log into a friend's box with SSH to help her with some adminstration problems and it keeps saying connection refused.  Does ubuntu block computers off the lan or something by default (she has openssh-server installed)?  If so, how do I change that?
[10:25] <alejandrodelloco> and then it dies on yaboot
[10:26] <Coily> fox_in_sox what should i try doing with it
[10:26] <alejandrodelloco> I might try another machine
[10:26] <alejandrodelloco> ill be back in a second
[10:26] <Jymmm> Does the livecd support wifi at all?
[10:26] <ren0> Here is a clue: ndiswrapper -l Installed ndis drivers:
[10:26] <ren0> bcmwl5  hardware present
[10:26] <ren0> bcmwl5.sys      hardware NOT present
[10:26] <ren0> bcmwl5a hardware present
[10:26] <fox_in_sox> yaboot?
[10:26] <[amasimak] > saif, it is possible that some package where upgraded during your download, and it can find the 6 remaining
[10:26] <[amasimak] > (not sure if it is the problem though)
[10:27] <ren0> I hope that didn't count as a flood
[10:27] <fox_in_sox> where is it install ur home dir
[10:27] <fox_in_sox> ?
[10:27] <Orcrist> anyone in here done the debian bootsplash for ubuntu?
[10:28] <ren0> FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. I still get FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
[10:28] <saif> [amasimak]  well, i upgraded to hoary on another machine, and this is not what happened i don't remember what happened exactly, i restarted i think but it had given a message that everything is ok! now I don't wanna rescue restarting, not knowing if all the packages will be deleted? where will the machine save them?! what way is there to force install?!
[10:28] <Hwolf> Isn't the idea of the 'places' menu easy acces to your nautilus bookmarks?
[10:28] <jesuel> hmm kdevelop
[10:28] <alejandrodelloco> yaboot
[10:28] <alejandrodelloco> it is the linux bootloader for ppc
[10:28] <sijoottt> Can anybody help me my netgear wlan-card does not execute the /etc/pcmcia/wireless when ifup the card
[10:28] <Coily> fox_in_sox i dont understand your question
[10:29] <Orcrist> I recompiled, all is well with the kernel, but when i apt-get install bootsplash it tells me cp: cannot stat '.orig': No such file or directory
[10:29] <fox_in_sox> yeah what is it?
[10:29] <iocaste> I'm having a problem running the Live CD (PPC) on my Mac. After the config screens, it seems to be booting up OK, but then I get a blank screen when I expected the login screen to appear. Any suggestions?
[10:29] <fox_in_sox> is there any scripts in the dir
[10:29] <sijoottt> and that's why it doesn't set wep-encryption and essid and so on
[10:29] <bubbanga> can someone help me my ubuntu box (the one i'm currently on) keeps going to read only filesystem
[10:30] <bubbanga> i changed my fstab to take out the error = remount ro
[10:30] <bubbanga> but nothing gives :(
[10:30] <alejandrodelloco> iocaste
[10:30] <dud> ntfs bubbanga ?
[10:30] <alejandrodelloco> i have a q for you
[10:30] <bubbanga> hell no
[10:30] <bubbanga> ext3
[10:30] <alejandrodelloco> i am trying to install ppc too
[10:30] <iocaste> ok
[10:30] <dud> heh, no reason why it should ro an ext3....
[10:30] <alejandrodelloco> i am trying to install to an external hard drive
[10:30] <bubbanga> well it is
[10:30] <alejandrodelloco> any idea why it would fail on installing yaboot
[10:30] <sijoottt> the wireless script where it belong
[10:31] <[PoVal] Dutchy> if i want to reinstall a program, in this case apache2 (it should use a non-threaded MPM), what command do i use? or should i uninstall and install again
[10:31] <Coily> fox_in_sox nothing in the main dir
[10:32] <iocaste> alejandrodelloco: hmm. sorry i can't help. I'm just trying to install PPC Ubuntu myself
[10:32] <zhukov> (&T/GI!!!!Damn!
[10:32] <sijoottt> do i have to insert something into /etc/network/interfaces?
[10:32] <alejandrodelloco> has the install come up?
[10:32] <zhukov> Am i the only one with problems using msn with hoary?
[10:33] <alejandrodelloco> use gaim for msn zhukov
[10:33] <sijoottt> plz help me
[10:33] <randabis> no msn problems here
[10:33] <zhukov> alejandrodelloco, but gaim...i dunno...dont like it
[10:33] <matt__> Hi, I am currently running ubuntu hoary with the 2.6.10 kernel. Only problem is, I want to get vmware workstation setup, and there is no matching kernel-headers package for my kernel, the latest i can see is 2.6.8.1.  So, is there an "unofficial" repository where i can grab that package, or am i forced to download the 2.6.10 kernel and grab the headers from it?
[10:33] <fox_in_sox> try to remove the package with dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq
[10:33] <randabis> matt__, linux-headers
[10:33] <alejandrodelloco> zhukov... DO IT. Real men use OSS.
[10:34] <fox_in_sox> nooooooo
[10:34] <zhukov> randabis, no problems? My amsn sometimes (almost always...) stop when connecting
[10:34] <randabis> I don't use amsn
[10:34] <zhukov> alejandrodelloco, :)
[10:34] <randabis> I use GAIM
[10:34] <matt__> randabis, ahh thanks :)
[10:34] <iocaste> alejandrodelloco: yes, i get through the config screens OK, but after it seems to boot, I just get an empty screen. (I'm to trying to boot off the Live CD)
[10:35] <matt__> randabis, i'm guessing that kernel-headers is from the "universe" package, and linux-headers is from the "main" branch.. i'll have to be more careful about which packages i throw together :)
[10:35] <alejandrodelloco> errr
[10:35] <alejandrodelloco> well
[10:35] <alejandrodelloco> that would be the broblem
[10:35] <randabis> matt__, yeah :p
[10:35] <alejandrodelloco> there is no livecd
[10:35] <alejandrodelloco> its ppc install cd only i think
[10:35] <alejandrodelloco> what version is this madness?
[10:35] <iocaste> it's the Hoary Live CD
[10:35] <alejandrodelloco> ahh
[10:35] <alejandrodelloco> word
[10:35] <alejandrodelloco> i need to get that
[10:35] <alejandrodelloco> that may handle this problem better
[10:35] <Jymmm> Does the Atheros need the NDIS wrapper?
[10:36] <audix> My screen is shifted abou 10 pixels to the right everytime I boot linux... anybody know how I can correct that?
[10:36] <matt__> whats your guys opinion on the new ubuntu updater ?
[10:36] <alejandrodelloco> im trying the warty CD
[10:36] <Jymmm> audix move the laptop 10px to the left
[10:36] <[amasimak] > saif, downloaded packages are put in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and only explicitely purged by doign apt-get clean
[10:36] <bubbanga> EXT3-fs error (device hda1) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted
[10:36] <bubbanga>  how you fix that?
[10:36] <fox_in_sox> try vesa driver see if it persist
[10:36] <alejandrodelloco> hrrmmm
[10:37] <alejandrodelloco> you did press c as you started up and all, right
[10:37] <fox_in_sox> ok
[10:37] <alejandrodelloco> i will ask dumb questions
[10:37] <fox_in_sox> c?
[10:38] <iocaste> alejandrodelloco: yeah... I'll give it another go.
[10:38] <alejandrodelloco> hmm
[10:39] <alejandrodelloco> maybe you could initialize open firmware first
[10:39] <alejandrodelloco> or press option
[10:39] <Coily> fox_in_sox "dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq" straight into the terminal?
[10:39] <alejandrodelloco> open firmware is apple option o f
[10:39] <alejandrodelloco> option as you start up gets you a drive select
[10:39] <fox_in_sox> then package name
[10:39] <iocaste> ah.. thanks. it seems to be booting off the CD ok. You think it's a firmware problem?
[10:40] <Coily> ok good
[10:40] <randabis> Jymmm, I think Atheros is linux native, not sure...if not then you'll need ndiswrapper
[10:40] <alejandrodelloco> oh it is booting?
[10:40] <alejandrodelloco> then it is not
[10:40] <alejandrodelloco> errr
[10:40] <alejandrodelloco> hmm
[10:40] <iocaste> it's booting ok.. just gets to a certain point, then hangs on a blank screen
[10:40] <alejandrodelloco> you could just get fink and x11
[10:40] <alejandrodelloco> and install Gnome
[10:40] <alejandrodelloco> youll have the same thing
[10:40] <alejandrodelloco> :D
[10:40] <iocaste> heh...
[10:40] <ren0> Going in circles..sudo ndiswrapper -l ndiswrapper -l Installed ndis drivers:
[10:40] <ren0> bcmwl5  hardware present
[10:41] <blah09> but its not The Real Thing ;)
[10:41] <Jymmm> randabis: I read soemthing about madwifi
[10:41] <iocaste> heh.. just wanted to check out Ubuntu.
[10:41] <alejandrodelloco> gotcha
[10:41] <alejandrodelloco> find someone elses pc
[10:41] <alejandrodelloco> and use an x86 livecd
[10:41] <randabis> Jymmm, yeah that's another option too I think
[10:41] <alejandrodelloco> that is not so hard!
[10:41] <alejandrodelloco> sorry for being a smartass
[10:42] <ren0> So why do I get..sudo modprobe ndiswrapper...FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.
[10:42] <Jymmm> randabis: is this some pkg I need still (wlan0 it isn't showing up)
[10:42] <ren0> ??
[10:42] <iocaste> s'ok. probably good advice!
[10:42] <alejandrodelloco> hmm
[10:42] <alejandrodelloco> so where does it mess up?
[10:42] <randabis> Jymmm, you need the restricted modules for your running kernel
[10:43] <bubbanga> can someone help me please
[10:43] <Jymmm> randabis and of course, they're not on the livecd, correct?
[10:43] <randabis> doubt it...dunno
[10:43] <Jymmm> k
[10:43] <ren0> If you havn't done so already I recommend "sudo apt-get install streamtuner"
[10:43] <ren0> Great radio
[10:44] <randabis> renO it's broken in hoary unfortunately
[10:44] <fox_in_sox> bye all
[10:44] <Coily> fox_in_sox: "need an action option" error
[10:44] <Coily> bleh
[10:44] <randabis> but you don't need streamtuner to listen to streaming radio anyway
[10:44] <ren0> I broke hoary. Went back to Warty.
[10:44] <audix> Can anybody give me any suggestions on what I would do if my apt-get is for some reason not finding a package?  I'm looking for taglib, which I'm told should be available
[10:44] <randabis> xmms will play shoutcast just fine
[10:44] <alejandrodelloco> has anyone here installed warty on ppc?
[10:44] <alejandrodelloco> with a warty install disk from the mail
[10:44] <randabis> audix, check your repositories
[10:45] <randabis> alejandrodelloco, that disk might not be the ppc one
[10:45] <alejandrodelloco> randabis
[10:45] <alejandrodelloco> it is
[10:45] <audix> randabis: Yeah, I did, I mean, I don't really know what to look for, I have a bunch enabled, I updated them... but still no dice
[10:45] <alejandrodelloco> it installs fine
[10:45] <alejandrodelloco> but it hangs up at the end
[10:45] <alejandrodelloco> at one point
[10:45] <randabis> audix even universe?
[10:45] <alejandrodelloco> because it cant install a bootloader
[10:45] <audix> randabis: Yep
[10:45] <randabis> warty or hoary audix?
[10:45] <audix> randabis: warty
[10:46] <randabis> warty might not have it
[10:46] <audix> randabis: oohhhh... I see
[10:46] <randabis> wait
[10:46] <Coily> could someone tell me why "dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq sun-j2sdk1.5.0" produces a "need an action option" error
[10:46] <randabis> look for libtag instead of taglib
[10:46] <audix> randabis: lol, thank you so much
[10:47] <randabis> yeah I just did an apt-search for it and found it
[10:47] <audix> randabis: Yeah, I got it now, sweet!
[10:47] <randabis> cool
[10:47] <audix> amarok, here I come
[10:49] <randabis> amarok is nice...just wish it wasn't qt
[10:49] <iocaste> right, i'm trying the PPC Live CD, and it's cannot start the X Server.
[10:49] <iocaste> it
[10:50] <randabis> hooray for polypaudio
[10:51] <alejandrodelloco> hmmm
[10:51] <alejandrodelloco> can it start an interactive shell?
[10:51] <iocaste> i've got a shell, it's asking me for a login :=/
[10:51] <alejandrodelloco> oh
[10:52] <alejandrodelloco> have you just said return return
[10:52] <alejandrodelloco> hold on
[10:52] <iocaste> tried that: Login incorrecyt
[10:52] <Sav> How do i mount a windows share with user/pass protection?
[10:53] <sladen> Sav: -o username=...,password=...
[10:53] <Sav> sladen, where?
[10:54] <alejandrodelloco> hmm
[10:54] <alejandrodelloco> I bet the wiki has some thing about what the livecd uses for a login
[10:55] <iocaste> ok. thanks
[10:55] <Orcrist> wow, that's odd... I recompiled a kernel last night... was using the stock ubuntu one, so I stripped EVERYTHING but the stuff I'd need for this box off of it... and the new kernel is actually bigger
[10:56] <sladen> Sav: how are you trying to mount this, what are you clicking/typeing
[10:56] <Orcrist> ha!
[10:56] <alejandrodelloco> id say find out how to get a shell
[10:56] <alejandrodelloco> and then say xinit
[10:56] <alejandrodelloco> and it *should* take over
[10:56] <sladen> Orcrist: the Ubuntu kernels are modular.  Anything you don't need won't be loaded anyway.
[10:56] <altan> Drcrist: I'm just taking a guess but if I remember correctly the default kernel has some options that make the kernel smaller but less optimized or something
[10:56] <Orcrist> true, but I took out a lot of stuff that was statically compiled, that's the odd part
[10:57] <Orcrist> then again, a few things that were modular I added in statically... so that's probably where the tradeoff comes in
[10:58] <alejandrodelloco> grr
[10:58] <alejandrodelloco> has *anyone* carried out a ppc install here?
[10:59] <flute> im doing a ppc install now
[10:59] <flute> using the latest hoary array instal
[10:59] <alejandrodelloco> oh
[10:59] <alejandrodelloco> well PSH
[10:59] <alejandrodelloco> Have you done a warty install
[10:59] <alejandrodelloco> from a disk
[11:00] <flute> not on ppc
[11:00] <Orcrist> I have alejandrodelloco, but it was on an older powermac... and it didn't like it so I had to put debian sarge on it
[11:00] <flute> what machine do you have?
[11:00] <Coily> where's the firefox profile folder located?
[11:00] <altan> .mozilla-firefox probably
[11:01] <alejandrodelloco> okay
[11:01] <altan> something .mozilla
[11:01] <ren0> How can it be if my ndiswrapper shows the drivers are present and the harware is present the modprobe fails?
[11:01] <alejandrodelloco> well i have an ibook
[11:01] <altan> in your home folder
[11:01] <Coily> tried that
[11:01] <alejandrodelloco> and i am installing to a firewire drive
[11:01] <alejandrodelloco> but i also tried it from a g3 imac
[11:01] <alejandrodelloco> the install works fine
[11:01] <alejandrodelloco> up until yaboot
[11:01] <alejandrodelloco> at which point it dies
[11:01] <flute> is the ibook recent enough to boot from firewire?
[11:02] <alejandrodelloco> yikes
[11:02] <alejandrodelloco> sorry i accidentally quit there
[11:03] <flute> is the ibook recent enough to boot from firewire?
[11:03] <alejandrodelloco> yeah
[11:03] <alejandrodelloco> as is the g3 imac
[11:03] <alejandrodelloco> both can also become target drives
[11:03] <alejandrodelloco> but i dont wanna install to them
[11:03] <alejandrodelloco> i want to mess with the crappy old 4 gig drive
[11:04] <flute> i know there is a howto on the yellowdog site about booting of firewire
[11:05] <flute> www.yellowdoglinux.com methinks
[11:05] <alejandrodelloco> well
[11:05] <alejandrodelloco> i am not booting yet
[11:06] <alejandrodelloco> i am just booting off of cd
[11:06] <alejandrodelloco> right now, i am trying to get the CD to install yaboot onto the drive
[11:06] <flute> i am affraid i dont know
[11:06] <alejandrodelloco> okay
[11:06] <alejandrodelloco> thanks
[11:07] <flute> have you tried the mailing list yet?
[11:07] <lucien> How can I find out which kernel I actually use ?
[11:08] <flute> uname -a
[11:08] <bubbanga> cans omeoen please help me with mounting my boot drive as ext2 and recreating my journal?
[11:08] <alejandrodelloco> no
[11:08] <alejandrodelloco> i don't know where i would look...
[11:08] <snoopdogg> i need help?
[11:08] <iapx8088> bubbanga, explais
[11:08] <iapx8088> n
[11:08] <bubbanga> well
[11:08] <bubbanga> i get the following hang on
[11:09] <Hwolf> is openoffice broken in hoary?
[11:09] <bubbanga> EXT3-fs error (device hda1) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted
[11:09] <bubbanga> 
[11:09] <bubbanga> so my system is in read only mode
[11:09] <flute> alejandrodelloco, find the mailing list on the website
[11:09] <bubbanga> i'm trying like crap to fix it but i don't know how
[11:10] <bubbanga> so i was told run e2fsck on it but sadly for me i'm too knew to figure out the really hard stuff
[11:10] <iapx8088> bubbanga, and it doesn't go on with the boot?
[11:10] <bubbanga> what doesn't go on?
[11:10] <bubbanga> i'm using the system right this minute
[11:10] <bubbanga> but i can't sudo or anything
[11:10] <iapx8088> ah
[11:10] <iapx8088> i see
[11:10] <bubbanga> it says its read only file system
[11:10] <iapx8088> bubbanga, cannot give you any guaranties
[11:11] <bubbanga> neither can most stores
[11:11] <iapx8088> mount -t ext2 -o remount rw /
[11:11] <bubbanga> but i still buy their products
[11:11] <iapx8088> or bettere
[11:11] <Sav> How can i look at a video directly from a windows share mount?
[11:11] <iapx8088> the device
[11:11] <bubbanga> ok let me try
[11:11] <iapx8088> /dev/whatos
[11:11] <bubbanga> its /dev/hda1
[11:11] <billytwowilly> How do I edit the ubuntulinux.org wiki?
[11:12] <bluefoxicy> bluefox@icebox:~/data/programming/woct$ sudo cdrecord.mmap dev=/dev/hdc driveropts=burnfree -data /home/shared/cd_images/warty-release-install-i386.iso
[11:12] <bluefoxicy> should this be the only way to burn a cd?
[11:12] <snoopdogg> i need help?
[11:12] <iapx8088> billytwowilly, I guess you have to register
[11:12] <bluefoxicy> dev=ATAPI doesn't work
[11:12] <iapx8088> bluefoxicy, natilus-burner
[11:12] <bubbanga> mount -t ext2 -o remount rw /
[11:12] <bubbanga> mount: block device rw is write-protected, mounting read-only
[11:12] <bubbanga> root@bigbubba:/home/delltony #
[11:12] <iapx8088> bubbanga, sorry
[11:12] <iapx8088> mount -t ext2 -o remount -w /
[11:12] <chillywilly> hello Ubuntu ppl
[11:12] <bluefoxicy> iapx8088:  cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI
[11:12] <chillywilly> Ubuntu rocks my socks
[11:12] <bluefoxicy> scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
[11:12] <bluefoxicy> Warning: Using ATA Packet interface.
[11:12] <bluefoxicy> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[11:12] <bluefoxicy> cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'.
[11:12] <billytwowilly> hmm. anyone registered and willing to add a small note the the ati drivers for me? the guys on #ati helped me fix the black screen problems I was having with the binary drivers.
[11:13] <bubbanga> that doesn't do anyting but show me the man page
[11:13] <iapx8088> bubbanga, what?
[11:13] <iapx8088> the last one?
[11:13] <bubbanga> mount -t ext2 -o remount -w /
[11:13] <iapx8088> mh
[11:13] <iapx8088> man mount
[11:13] <Sav> i'v mounted a windows share, but i cant look directly on videos. Why isent this possible?
[11:13] <bubbanga> :)
[11:13] <bluefoxicy> iapx8088:  I"m doing a bootable ISO image here
[11:13] <bubbanga> would be nice if i could
[11:13] <iapx8088> bubbanga, and find the right option for writable
[11:13] <coobra> lol BiteMeBill
[11:13] <bubbanga> but you forget i have no write access
[11:13] <bluefoxicy> nautilus i think just burns files
[11:13] <bubbanga> so i can't make the temp file
[11:14] <iapx8088> bubbanga,ok try mount -w -t ext3 -o remount /
[11:14] <BiteMeBill> coobra: I didnt' do it!!
[11:14] <iapx8088> no
[11:14] <iapx8088> shit
[11:14] <coobra> :P
[11:14] <iapx8088> bubbanga,ok try mount -w -t ext2 -o remount /
[11:14] <bluefoxicy> although 2 minutes to fully burn a CD is nice.
[11:14] <bubbanga> no
[11:15] <ablyss> is it safe or possible to resize the partition im active on?
[11:15] <bubbanga> it has a syntax error of some sort
[11:15] <iapx8088> mmmh
[11:15] <bubbanga> cause it keeps trying to give me help
[11:15] <bubbanga> but i don't see the -w option
[11:16] <iapx8088> bubbanga, wait I'll try
[11:16] <bubbanga> ok thanks
[11:17] <pikashu> Hi someone ?
[11:17] <pikashu> :)
[11:17] <Sav> i'v mounted a windows share, but i cant look directly on videos. Why isent this possible? I have to copy the damn video to my local disk before i can look at it.
[11:17] <iapx8088> bubbanga, mount -w -t ext3 -o remount /dev/hdb1 / works for me
[11:17] <pikashu> Look for someone having experiences with wifi on ubuntu
[11:17] <pikashu> thx
[11:17] <snoopdogg> a i need help?
[11:18] <bubbanga> you keep changing very confusing
[11:18] <bubbanga> one time you say ext3
[11:18] <pikashu> need help please
[11:18] <bubbanga> then you say ext2
[11:18] <snoopdogg> ??
[11:18] <bubbanga> :(
[11:18] <snoopdogg> ??
[11:18] <pikashu> ??
[11:18] <bubbanga> let me try the last one you stated
[11:18] <iapx8088> bubbanga, it's just my system
[11:18] <iapx8088> try yourself with ext2
[11:19] <pikashu> wlan0 ... talk to someone ?
[11:19] <pikashu> :)
[11:19] <iapx8088> bubbanga, anyway I stated at once I was going blind
[11:19] <iapx8088> if you recall
[11:19] <iapx8088> the last one works for me
[11:20] <bubbanga> ok well i'm on ext3
[11:20] <iapx8088> writable?
[11:20] <bubbanga> but everytime i try that i get the main page
[11:20] <bubbanga> no its readoly
[11:20] <iapx8088> even after you issued that one?
[11:20] <bubbanga> go to flood
[11:20] <chrissturm> hmm, i have strange dns effects. when i try to ping an adress it has a different ip than when i do a nslookup. and its not in /etc/hosts. what could be the reason?
[11:20] <bubbanga> so i can show you exactly what i'm getting
[11:21] <bubbanga> let me know when your there please
[11:21] <lucien> How can I make sure that  <-- this looks normal ?
[11:21] <gtonic> hello
[11:21] <iapx8088> i'm there
[11:21] <iapx8088> maybe you could use nopaste instead of flooding
[11:21] <bubbanga> ok
[11:21] <pikashu> some problemswith wlan
[11:21] <bubbanga> either way
[11:21] <iapx8088> I'm starting to believe I can't properly help you
[11:21] <pikashu> please
[11:21] <bubbanga> if i could run firefox :)
[11:21] <bubbanga> it might help
[11:22] <Sav> i'v mounted a windows share, but i cant look directly on videos. Why isent this possible? I have to copy the damn video to my local disk before i can look at it.
[11:22] <iapx8088> holy shit
[11:22] <ErikHK> pikashu: what??
[11:22] <neiras> Sav - What playter are you using?
[11:22] <iapx8088> so flood in pv
[11:22] <neiras> Sav, player
[11:22] <Sav> vlc and mplayer i'v tried
[11:22] <neiras> ok
[11:22] <neiras> This is normal. Those programs do not use the GNOME VFS, so they cannot see anything over the network
[11:23] <neiras> Try Totem.
[11:23] <Sav> ok
[11:23] <alejandrodelloco> hrm
[11:23] <gnumber9> sav is the windows share mounted in fstab?
[11:23] <gnumber9> smb must be mounted as a file system to stream
[11:24] <neiras> gnumber9: That was my next suggestion
[11:24] <gnumber9> :-)
[11:24] <neiras> The GNOME folks are really thinking about what to do about VFS, fortunately
[11:24] <neiras> it's nowhere near as usable as it should be
[11:24] <neiras> a lot of apps don't use it
[11:25] <gtonic> <- wonders why one could find jython packages in the package pool but he can't install them via synaptic (using main, universe, multiverse)
[11:25] <Sav> gnumber9, smb://user@computer/folder
[11:26] <gnumber9> /etc/fstab
[11:26] <neiras> Sav: There are two ways to access remote computers. You are using GNOME's built in stuff.
[11:26] <Sav> yep
[11:26] <neiras> Sav: You need to configure your system to mount the remote share as a drive.
[11:26] <neiras> sudo nano -w /etc/fstab
[11:26] <gnumber9> sav, if you mount smb as a file system you can sream otherwise it will have to copy the gfile
[11:27] <Dishwasher> I CANT PRINT!!!!  :( Whaaaaaaaaa!!!
[11:27] <Dishwasher> I am having so much trouble getting something to print.
[11:27] <haggai> Hwolf: why do you ask if openoffice is broken?
[11:27] <Dishwasher> Anyone have any experience?
[11:28] <Sav> gnumber9, how should a mounted winshare look like in fstab?
[11:28] <gnumber9> /user at server/share	/ftproot	smbfs	rw.nosuto	0	0
[11:28] <gnumber9> >
[11:28] <gnumber9> oops hpld on
[11:29] <snoopdogg> i need help?
[11:30] <saif> allright, i give up i tried everything! where the hell are the 516 mbs that i downloaded?! and y did nothin happen after apt-get upgrade?!?
[11:30] <saif> any ideas?!
[11:30] <BiteMeBill> is the window share local or networked?
[11:30] <neofeed> saif, ?
[11:30] <flute> snoopdogg, with what?
[11:30] <neofeed> saif, you mean you downloaded pacakges from the net?
[11:30] <snoopdogg> a game
[11:31] <Sav> gnumber9, found it yet? =)
[11:31] <neofeed> what does 'at-get upgrade' say? when you run it from the console
[11:31] <saif> neofeed no, i want to upgrade uo hoary
[11:31] <neofeed> saif, it's called 'dist-upgrade'
[11:31] <saif> neofeed i changed the srouces.list ran, apt-get update
[11:31] <saif> neofeed yes yes, that;s the one,
[11:31] <Hwolf> haggai: it is for me
[11:32] <saif> neofeed i went away for a way came back, all i got was that i downloaded 516 mbs, 6 packages failes, and that is it!
[11:32] <neofeed> saif, someone told me upgrade to hoary is like 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list |sed s/'warty'/'hoary'/g > /etc/apt/sources.list' && apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:32] <saif> neofeed what should i do now?! i restarted, nothin happened,
[11:32] <gnumber9> sav, not yet try -> //server/share	/	smbfs	rw.nosuto	0	0
[11:32] <Gusto_> hehe
[11:32] <saif> neofeed well, yeah, i did that!
[11:33] <neofeed> saif, hmmm so if you rerun apt-get dist-upgrade nothing happens?
[11:33] <saif> after dist-upgrade nothin happened!
[11:33] <gnumber9> sav, careful wit syntax //server/share	/smbfs	rw.nosuto	0	0
[11:33] <saif> well, i don't want to do that, coz then it'll start downloading again!
[11:33] <neofeed> you should not
[11:33] <snoopdogg> pls send me if u play m games on ps2 pls?
[11:33] <neofeed> once you downloaded the packages they should reside in the apt-cache folder
[11:33] <neofeed> unless you run apt-get clean
[11:34] <saif> neofeed i donno what to do now, if they are in apt-cache folder, how do i install them,
[11:34] <haggai> Hwolf: what is broken?
[11:34] <saif> dpkg -install -r <dir>
[11:34] <saif> ??
[11:34] <neofeed> saif, simply run apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:34] <Sav> gnumber9, hmm u sure this is correct ? =)
[11:34] <neofeed> it should instead of redownloading them, simply use those in cahce
[11:35] <saif> neofeed, again?! is there away to stop it if it stands downloading?!
[11:35] <neofeed> no
[11:35] <Sav> gnumber9, can i do this without a reboot?
[11:35] <neofeed> well <crtl>-<c>
[11:35] <neofeed> but that's not what you want.
[11:35] <neofeed> if it downloads packages, it only downloades packaes you have not yet got.
[11:35] <pikashu> some could help resolve wlan problems ??
[11:36] <gnumber9> well it's been a while - no reboot
[11:36] <pikashu>  some could help resolve wlan problems ??
[11:36] <saif> neofeed hehehe! that was easy! wish u were here like an hour ago! i asked the fricking question 100 times with no answer!!
[11:36] <neofeed> saif, to see if your packages are there take a look into /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:36] <saif> neofeed: it is downloading 167kbs from 516 mbs! :)
[11:36] <gnumber9> sav, i believe we just run mount as root
[11:36] <pikashu> some could help resolve wlan problems ??
[11:36] <blah09> pikashu maybe if you explained
[11:36] <Sav> ahh i was editing fstab =)
[11:36] <gnumber9> sav, you'll need to make a a  mount point
[11:37] <pikashu> blah09 : ok
[11:37] <pikashu> i use ndiswrapper
[11:37] <gnumber9> ssav, you can make a folder say /mnt/win_share
[11:37] <neofeed> saif, well. Gotta go... You sould probably consider, when upgrading gnome, to delete all your .gnome{2,}{_private,} folders
[11:37] <pikashu> compiled and installed
[11:37] <Hwolf> haggai: openoffice
[11:37] <josh_> anyone here play wolfenstine: enemy territory?
[11:37] <blah09> josh i do
[11:37] <saif> unpacking packages now!! yippi yey! thanks neofeed!
[11:37] <blah09> well, used to
[11:37] <pikashu> seems ok ...
[11:37] <neofeed> and kill gnome-panel. And restart gdm
[11:37] <gnumber9> sav, in fstab you'll indicate the mount point you made
[11:38] <pikashu> wlan0 installed
[11:38] <josh_> blah09: how di i install the update?
[11:38] <saif> neofeed i'll restart x and that would do it right?
[11:38] <pikashu> when i scan with iwlist, nothing
[11:38] <haggai> Hwolf: what about openoffice is broken?
[11:38] <snoopdogg> i need help?
[11:38] <blah09> isnt the linux version already updated?
[11:38] <neofeed> saif, yea might. but your .gnome files might still conflict
[11:39] <pikashu> blah09 ?
[11:39] <snoopdogg> ??
[11:39] <snoopdogg> ??
[11:39] <Sav> gnumber9, doesent work =)
[11:39] <snoopdogg> ????
[11:39] <pikashu> snoopdogg ??
[11:39] <saif> neofeed, ok, delete the files then restart x! thanks!
[11:39] <josh_> blah09: ....its possible ill try, i just crossed over from windows and just assumed it wasnt
[11:39] <Hwolf> haggai: I can't start it
[11:39] <neofeed> saif, so if something goes wrong, shut down X, kill all gnome related programs, gconf, gnome-panel, etc.  and delte .gnome direcories and .gconf directories. But remember: You will loose most of your settings if you do so.
[11:39] <josh_> brb
[11:40] <Sav> mount -V
[11:40] <haggai> Hwolf: what do you see if you start it from the console?
[11:40] <gnumber9> sav, did you make the mount point
[11:40] <saif> neofeed: will do!
[11:40] <Sav> gnumber9, cant get it to work
[11:40] <saif> neofeed hope i don't need to!
[11:40] <gnumber9> sav, did you make the mount point
[11:41] <Sav> gnumber9,  no i beleave not
[11:41] <Dark_Kyo_> anyone know a paquet for CD/DVD burning under ubuntu?
[11:41] <snoopdogg> i need help?
[11:41] <BiteMeBill> Sav: is this a network share or a local share?
[11:41] <neofeed> Dark_Kyo_, right click?
[11:41] <gnumber9> sav, mkdir /mnt/smb_share
[11:41] <Sav> gnumber9, done
[11:41] <Sav> BiteMeBill, a network share
[11:42] <shock> re hi
[11:42] <neofeed> Dark_Kyo_, nautilus comes with a CD burner. If you need something more 'nero' like take a look at 'k3b' ... dunno if they have a fixed version of coaster in the repro... if so you could use 'coaster' too
[11:42] <Dark_Kyo_> now  a full software of cd/dvd burning clone of nero for ubuntu style K3B but i found a tutorial maybe is deisgned for KDE environnement
[11:42] <gnumber9> sav, now we edit fstab - you can use gedit as root
[11:42] <gnumber9> sav, gedit /etc/fstab
[11:42] <Sav> gnumber9, and what do i type in there?
[11:42] <gnumber9> sav, the end of the file is where we'll add the file system
[11:43] <Dark_Kyo_> i heard about a packages gnomebacker did you know?
[11:43] <kjjl> i need help?
[11:43] <gnumber9> sav, let me try and get that for you
[11:43] <Sav> gnumber9,  ok
[11:43] <cardador> Dark_Kyo_: try Graveman
[11:44] <gui> anyone could please tell me what i am suppose to do when install do not start, it seems that keyboard is not detcted
[11:44] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> i need help?
[11:44] <iapx8088> gui, usb?
[11:44] <gui> no
[11:44] <Dark_Kyo_> Graveman ?
[11:44] <iapx8088> gui, laptop?
[11:44] <gui> no desktop
[11:44] <cardador> Dark_Kyo_: its a cd burning software
[11:44] <gui> amd 1600
[11:44] <iapx8088> gui, quite strange. some sort of exotic hardware mobo?
[11:45] <Napper> Hi everybody - may I pose a question regarding upgrading frm Xfree to xorg?
[11:45] <gui> atlhon xp
[11:45] <gnumber9> sav, //server/share /mnt/smb_share	/smbfs	rw.nosuto	0	0
[11:45] <gnumber9> sav oops
[11:45] <gnumber9> sav, //server/share /mnt/smb_share smbfs	rw.nosuto	0	0
[11:45] <gui> right now i am using the live cd to be here.,,
[11:45] <Dark_Kyo_> it'es good?
[11:46] <saif> wish me like guys, restarting to hoary
[11:46] <blah09> gl
[11:46] <Sav> gnumber9, done.
[11:46] <gui> it says F1 for help, ENTER to boot
[11:46] <BiteMeBill> gui: did you just go with the default keyboard on install or pick a different one?
[11:46] <Sav> gnumber9, then its supposed to work?
[11:46] <gui> but i just can t do anything
[11:46] <gui> i didn4t evnt gte to that point
[11:46] <cardador> Dark_Kyo_: try it out, but i guess it doesnt burn dvds
[11:47] <gnumber9> sav, type mount as root and cd to /mnt/smb_share
[11:47] <pikashu> someone for helping me in my wlan adventure ?
[11:47] <gui> i just arrive at the very first step
[11:47] <pikashu> someone for helping me in my wlan adventure ?
[11:47] <zerotime> hi, how to install java
[11:47] <Sav> gnumber9, nothing there =)
[11:47] <zerotime> where is the java repository or how can I install it
[11:47] <Sav> gnumber9, its user/pass protected as well
[11:47] <gnumber9> sav, did you run mount
[11:47] <Sav> yep
[11:48] <gnumber9> sav, try mount -a
[11:48] <BiteMeBill> zerotime: Did you read this page? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[11:49] <Dark_Kyo_> i want a packages do burn dvds
[11:49] <guest_> after a new install ... apt-get update & apt-get upgrade what next? (apt-get dist-upgrade?)
[11:49] <Sav> [mntent] : warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[11:49] <Sav> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //warehouse-1,
[11:49] <Sav>        or too many mounted file systems
[11:49] <gui> someone once told me this happen when you touch your keyboard during the boot
[11:49] <gnumber9> sav, cool we're getting there
[11:49] <BiteMeBill> gui: just try finishing the install.
[11:49] <Sav> =)
[11:50] <gui> the install don4t event start
[11:50] <gui> i am talking about the very first boot
[11:50] <gnumber9> sav, you'll need to make sure that in fstab we have rw.noauto and do a return after the last line in the file
[11:50] <randabis> guest_, what are you trying to do?
[11:50] <BiteMeBill> gui: are you on the same machine but with a livecd?
[11:51] <gui> yes i am
[11:51] <guest_> randabis: update the system
[11:51] <Dark_Kyo_> but i have another question it's not recommend to upgrade my ubuntu by apt-get dist-upgrade if i use a packages backported?
[11:51] <Sav> gnumber9, its done
[11:51] <gnumber9> sav, try mount -a
[11:51] <BiteMeBill> gui: what is the error that comes up when you try to intall?
[11:51] <gui> so it found my keyboard with the livecd
[11:51] <randabis> Dark_Kyo_, no, because the maintainer of warty backports does not version his packages correctly
[11:51] <Sav> gnumber9, now only the wrong type/bad superblock or to many mountes fs error is there
[11:51] <gui> no error just a messge
[11:52] <randabis> guest_, upgrade is all you need to do...unless you're trying to upgrade to hoary
[11:52] <gui> F1 for helpm ENTER for BOOT
[11:52] <gnumber9> sav, hold on
[11:52] <gui> but the keyboard don t do anything
[11:52] <Dark_Kyo_> ok i'm still apt-get update and apt-get upgrade only
[11:52] <BiteMeBill> gui: that is strange cause that is normal bios fail message.
[11:52] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> tyhy
[11:52] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> hgf
[11:52] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> jh
[11:52] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> j
[11:52] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> hj
[11:52] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> h
[11:52] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> hg
[11:52] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> gh
[11:52] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> hg
[11:52] <randabis> cut it out
[11:53] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> h
[11:53] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> ghgh
[11:53] <zhukov> hey
[11:53] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> gh
[11:53] <BiteMeBill> snifdogg quit being a dick
[11:53] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> gh
[11:53] <zhukov> STOP!
[11:53] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> if u all cazn help then i can stop pls?
[11:53] <gui> you think my bios fail at load?
[11:53] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> can
[11:53] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/onimusha_3_a.txt
[11:53] <BiteMeBill> Matt At the moment no one knows about games.
[11:53] <randabis> you're an idiot
[11:54] <randabis> THIS IS NOT A GAME HELP CHANNEL
[11:54] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> ??
[11:54] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> ??
[11:54] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> ??
[11:54] <randabis> how many times must we tell you
[11:54] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> ???
[11:54] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> bv
[11:54] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> nb
[11:54] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> v
[11:54] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> nbv
[11:54] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> bgn
[11:54] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> bn\
[11:54] <Dark_Kyo_> i want to kow about the kernel optimizations for my AMD Athlon XP i view a kernel for this K7 but i have heard a certains packages is only available for i386 architecture
[11:54] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> bvb
[11:54] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb>  nb
[11:54] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> ] \bn
[11:54] <guest_> randabis: ie, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ...right?
[11:54] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> vb
[11:54] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> bn
[11:54] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> nb
[11:54] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> bv
[11:54] <bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb> vg
[11:54] <meister> ...
[11:54] <randabis> thanks jdub
[11:54] <zhukov> Allelluia.
[11:54] <invictus> when booting the array-4 release of hoary I get "fail" on raid...what is that about?
[11:54] <zhukov> .
[11:54] <BiteMeBill> Thank you jdub
[11:54] <jdub> sorry folks, doesn't happen often
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> Dark_Kyo_: k7 is the right kerel
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> krenel
[11:55] <pikashu> :('''' wlan can't reach AP
[11:55] <pikashu> :('''' wlan can't reach AP
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> .. kernel.. my keyboard has a nut at the wheel
[11:55] <Dark_Kyo_> lol
[11:55] <pikashu> please help
[11:55] <gui> i already have another partition with windows working on it
[11:55] <randabis> invictus, that's normal unless you have raid
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> pikashu: if you are out of range of your access point, we can't really help you
[11:55] <randabis> guest_, yes
[11:55] <gui> so i don t believe the bios fails somewhere
[11:55] <Dark_Kyo_> but if i update after next time of use this synaptic doesn't update my kernel to i386 version?
[11:55] <pikashu> HrdwrBoB grrrrrr
[11:56] <pikashu> HrdwrBoB and if not ?
[11:56] <BiteMeBill> gui: I don't think so either but that is a default message from the bios...  It is strange.
[11:56] <peacemaker885> hello, is it possible to use gnomebaker in warty?
[11:56] <invictus> randabis: well, I dont like fail's...
[11:56] <gnumber9> sav, i believe the error is a syntax error. make sure that there are no spaces in rw,noauto
[11:56] <gui> okay thx
[11:56] <gui> i will try again
[11:56] <gnumber9> sav, and rw and noauto has a comma not a period
[11:57] <gui> see you later maybe
[11:57] <gui> thx
[11:57] <BiteMeBill> gui: just for giggles you might want to grab another keyboard to see
[11:57] <gui> mmm yes
[11:57] <gui> m good idea
[11:57] <BiteMeBill> gui: but that is a strange one.
[11:58] <HrdwrBoB> pikashu: so what is the problem
[11:58] <pikashu> :D
[11:58] <guest_> to install patented mpeg-3 support do I simply uncomment 'universe' and go for any software with mp3 support?
[11:58] <gui> okay i will try these option
[11:58] <pikashu> Ok ... i installed my Wlan PCI card with ndiswrapper
[11:58] <invictus> randabis: I believe most people running ubuntu doesnt have raid...is the majority of users suppose to get a fail message when booting then?
[11:58] <gui> thx
[11:58] <pikashu> (BDM4301)
[11:58] <Sav> gnumber9, iv switched to a , rw,noauto and mount -a, no errors but still no files in /mnt/smb_share
[11:58] <pikashu> BCM
[11:58] <pikashu> bref
[11:58] <BiteMeBill> gui: good luck
[11:58] <Gallienus> Anyone know when the next version of ubuntu is due out?
[11:58] <pikashu> ndiswrapper + utils ok
[11:58] <pikashu> modprobe ok
[11:59] <gnumber9> sav, i'm doing this with you and I have the same. let me try something
[11:59] <pikashu> iwconfig see wlan0 configured
[11:59] <BiteMeBill> Gallienus: Think it's april or something like that.
[11:59] <pikashu> iwlist wlan0 scanning = nothing