[12:01] <pikashu> HrdwrBoB : do u know what i can do ?
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> pikashu: that may not work
[12:01] <blah09> ok i just tested suspend to ram and disk and it works, so my question is, how do i edit the wiki? =)
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> pikashu: or you may be out of range
[12:01] <Sav> gnumber9, the drive im mounting is user/pass protected. is there options for that in the fstab?
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> pikashu: try setting the essid manually
[12:02] <pikashu> HrdwrBoB: mean N
[12:02] <pikashu> ?
[12:02] <pikashu> HrdwrBoB: i tried, but doesn't change
[12:02] <pikashu> ESSID:off/any
[12:02] <blah09> oh nvm theres an edit link lol
[12:03] <shock> ok - who got suspend working?
[12:03] <shock> what di i need to do?
[12:03] <jdub> pikashu: is this with ndiswrapper?
[12:03] <shock> (trying on an ibm thinkpad a20p)
[12:03] <jdub> shock: see the HoaryPM page on the wiki
[12:03] <pikashu> jdub: yes
[12:03] <shock> allright :)
[12:03] <jdub> pikashu: i had a similar issue when i tried ndiswrapper for the first time last night
[12:04] <jdub> pikashu: worth filing a bug, i'd say
[12:04] <aToaster> Where can I find a download for the Hoary live cd?
[12:04] <pikashu> jdub: and ?
[12:04] <gnumber9> sav, we should be prompted
[12:04] <pikashu> jdub:what can i do ?
[12:04] <pikashu> I use Linux ubuntu 2.6.8.1.3
[12:04] <jdub> pikashu: well, delve more, file a bug, add your comments, if there is aproblem, hope it gets fixed :)
[12:05] <shock> hm
[12:05] <shock> nothing new there
[12:05] <shock> I was thinking along the line of "building an apm kernel"
[12:05] <shock> or something
[12:05] <shock> cause suspend worked fine on debian
[12:06] <pikashu> jdud:issues for ndiswrapper 1.0rc2
[12:06] <pikashu> :(
[12:07] <pikashu> HrdwrBoB:nope, i've a laptop near to desktop
[12:07] <pikashu> oups
[12:07] <gnumber9> sav, i'm having the same issue as you. however I use to do this to play my mp3's, but obviously I'm missing something
[12:07] <gnumber9> sav, check this out http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Filesystems/Mounting_smbfs_Shares_Permanently.html
[12:08] <Sav> ok
[12:09] <gnumber9> sav, also the host name will have to be either the ip address or an alias you add to /etc/hosts
[12:09] <Sav> gnumber9, i used the ip
[12:09] <Dark_Kyo> i have a sound satured when i used xmms O_
[12:10] <gnumber9> sav, i just got it to work
[12:11] <Sav> ohhh
[12:11] <shock> while that kernel is compiling: anyone got a good link to a wallpaper site?
[12:11] <blah09> deviantart has a lot
[12:11] <Sav> gnumber9, how ow how how =)
[12:11] <shock> deviantart?
[12:11] <shock> hmkay
[12:11] <gnumber9> sav, in /etc/fstab replace 'rw,noauto' with defaults
[12:11] <shock> i heard that name befor
[12:11] <BiteMeBill> shock: http://www.linuxforum.com/linux_wallpaper.php
[12:11] <Sav> gnumber9, can u give me the exact line your using?
[12:12] <DonL> http://www.sensitivelight.com/
[12:12] <gnumber9> sav, then run 'mount -a' and you will be promted for a password
[12:12] <shock> thx all
[12:12] <DonL> I like these photos for wallpaper
[12:12] <blah09> shock theres a wiki page for suspend
[12:12] <gnumber9> sav, my line is this //192.168.1.11/bigdrive		/mnt/bigdrive		smbfs	defualts	0 0
[12:12] <blah09> oh nvm
[12:13] <blah09> gnumber are you connected to the network via wifi or wired lan?
[12:13] <Dark_Kyo> anyone know how to have a different wallpaper on all virtual desktop?
[12:13] <gnumber9> blah, why?
[12:13] <blah09> i tried to fstab my smb shares too, but they won't mount over wireless
[12:13] <blah09> i think that the wireless network gets started up too late in the boot process
[12:14] <gnumber9> blah, server is wired to router and laptop is wlan
[12:14] <blah09> and the shares mount on boot?
[12:15] <gnumber9> blah, haven't tried yet, but it used to be I was prompted for a pw, haven't tried mounting smb in fstab in a while
[12:15] <abiertos> hello Im Ernesto I need some help with telnet and ping tools
[12:16] <abiertos> I want to learn about 80 port
[12:16] <blah09> oh its a linux server?
[12:16] <blah09> i use //192.168.0.19/Music     /media/music  smbfs   credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,dmask=333,fmask=333   0       0
[12:16] <gnumber9> blah, always
[12:16] <blah09> doesnt smbfs mean samba is involved somehow?
[12:17] <abiertos> Im looking for a good php manual
[12:17] <gnumber9> blah, yes smbfs is for samba file system
[12:17] <blah09> hm
[12:17] <abiertos> Can you give me a little help with thtat
[12:17] <abiertos> that
[12:17] <gnumber9> blah, oops smb file syste,m
[12:17] <blah09> can i modify the order in which the system does things at boot?
[12:18] <gnumber9> blah, i think smb is an ibm creation
[12:18] <abiertos> There's a project in this place for to work with php
[12:18] <gnumber9> blah09, not sure
[12:18] <iapx8088> abiertos, what?
[12:19] <abiertos> I want to learn program in php and I need good manuals
[12:19] <gnumber9> sav, any luck
[12:19] <blah09> doh i was using the wrong mount points, thats embarrassing
[12:19] <blah09> brb reboot
[12:20] <Sav> gnumber9, nope, getting wrong fs type, bad opton, bad superblock again.
[12:20] <Sav> gnumber9, //10.10.0.2/ftp1        /mnt/smb_share  smbfs   defualts        0       0
[12:20] <ardiem> ive installed ubuntu amd64
[12:20] <ardiem> i want to know if apt-get is configured
[12:20] <sabine> How in the WORLD can I mount /boot/initrd.img so that it isn't read-only???
[12:21] <Phoenix_vanity> has anybody a working sample/site where html checkboxes with css color/background-color is shown? dunno if I'm making a mistake of firefox/mozilla is not supporting it...
[12:21] <guest_> to install source for cups what I issue?
[12:22] <gnumber9> sav, try defaults instead of defualts
[12:22] <gnumber9> sav, i can't spell
[12:25] <Sav> gnumber9, hmm
[12:25] <gnumber9> sav, can u see my pm
[12:26] <Sav> yep
[12:26] <DonL> Can you update from Warty to Hoary via apt-get, and if so, is it a good idea or should you wait for it to be more stable?
[12:26] <blah09> hm has anyone gotten acrobat to work?
[12:26] <blah09> you can, i have not had any problems with it
[12:26] <blah09> but its up to you =)
[12:27] <DonL> blah09, where do you go for the files?
[12:27] <blah09> just change all your repositories to hoary instead of warty
[12:27] <blah09> and remove the backports repository
[12:27] <blah09> then just do apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:27] <blah09> and hope for the best
[12:27] <DonL> Ah. Okay. Thanks
[12:27] <DonL> Maybe another day I'll feel daring. LOL
[12:28] <aToaster> where can I find a download for the live cd of Hoary?
[12:28] <DonL> blah09, I like xpdf and so I don't bother with Acrobat
[12:28] <blah09> atoaster: look at the topic
[12:28] <blah09> don does it integrate with firefox?
 blah09, I like xpdf and so I don't bother with Acrobat <-- dsno
[12:29] <shock> xpdf is way good
[12:29] <blah09> dsno?
[12:29] <DonL> Yes, quite well
[12:29] <toon> Hi, i am newly in Ubuntu (my first linux)
[12:29] <shock> its been a while since i looked at gnome-pdf
[12:29] <toon> i have a problem with playing mp3 files
[12:29] <shock> has it developed at all?
[12:29] <toon> it says i dont have the codec
[12:29] <toon> for mp3
[12:29] <toon> how can i fix it?
[12:29] <blah09> which program?
[12:29] <toon> euhm... both
[12:29] <toon> sec
[12:29] <toon> i check the name
[12:29] <blah09> xmms: sudo apt-get install mpeg123
[12:30] <toon> ah i do that
[12:30] <blah09> rhythmbox: sudo apt-get gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:30] <toon> in the terminal right?
[12:30] <blah09> yep
[12:30] <toon> k, i'll manage
[12:30] <toon> thx for the help!
[12:30] <blah09> np
[12:31] <blah09> so...
[12:31] <blah09> how do i make xpdf work with firefox?
[12:32] <MobyTurbo> blah09, xpdf doesn't have a plugin, but it can be made to automatically open downloading pdf files
[12:32] <DonL> blah09, I don't remember doing anything
[12:32] <blah09> oh
[12:32] <toon> it says 'package mepg123 not found'
[12:32] <`shane> I got mp3's working with this link:
[12:32] <`shane> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/talkback/1104544141/view?searchterm=mp3%20support
[12:33] <`shane> I use xmms
[12:33] <guest_> blah09: are the mp3 codecs different between mpeg123 and gstreamer?
[12:33] <blah09> i dont know which mpeg123 uses, but gstreamer uses the mad library
[12:33] <blah09> oh sorry toon, i meant mpg123
[12:33] <cowbud> what is the magic package of doom that just updates when a latest and greatest kernel package is available (including source) or does such a thing exist?
[12:35] <toon> blah, it says it found it, but it's 2 old, and that there some other better package.. (cant say it in english, my ubuntu is in dutch)
[12:35] <bubbanga> how do you force an uninstall of a broken package? for some reason when i hit fix broken and apply it gives me an erro
[12:35] <toon> i go read some forums
[12:35] <blah09> cowbud linux-image-2.6.10-3
[12:36] <BiteMeBill> any idea why freenode does port scanning?
[12:37] <cowbud> blah09: right but when I do an upgrade I want it to update.. had -2 installed and now all of a sudden -3 is available..
[12:37] <iapx8088> BiteMeBill, to avoid people using wingates and proxies
[12:37] <BiteMeBill> iapx8088: hope they don't mind getting blocked.  LOL  # pages of it.
[12:37] <Xappe> have a little jam problem
[12:38] <blah09> oh like an autoupdater?
[12:38] <blah09> no idea..
[12:38] <blah09> why would you want that
[12:39] <bubbanga> quick question how do you force an uinstall of a deb package isn't it dpkg -r filename.deb?
[12:39] <stuNNed> is arts a bit fuxored in hoaryolios?
[12:39] <blah09> no idea i set everything to use esd
[12:39] <Xappe> or a friend has a little jam problem. i you compile an app with "jam" and install it with "jam install" then you would be able to uninstall it with "jam uninstall" right?
[12:39] <cowbud> blah09: why would I want to constantly keep tabs on what the latest ubuntu kernel is?
[12:40] <blah09> i mean its not like the difference is gonna be that great
[12:41] <DonL> I just check every four or five days
[12:41] <DonL> Synaptic makes it so easy
[12:41] <MobyTurbo> cowbud, you can use something like linux-686. This is a meta package that automatically pulls in the latest kernel.
[12:41] <toon> Hey just another thing, how can i acces my other NTFS partitions ?
[12:41] <toon> not possible?
[12:42] <cowbud> MobyTurbo: hrmm does it do source also?
[12:42] <srbaker> i have two sound cards.  how do i tell ubuntu which one to use?
[12:42] <MobyTurbo> You guys don't know about the new kludge...
[12:42] <MobyTurbo> cowbud, no, it doesn't do source.
[12:42] <blah09> kludge?
[12:42] <bubbanga> is there no way to force a page to not be broken :(
[12:42] <bubbanga> linux is giving me total hell tonight
[12:42] <toon> Does anyone have an idea how i can acces my NTFS partitions?
[12:43] <blah09> mount them
[12:43] <toon> how do i know their names?
[12:43] <toon> its on hd1
[12:43] <guest_> blah09: uname -a gives "2.6.8.1-3-386"... different to the linux image image version you just gave... can you explain?
[12:43] <blah09> thats the one you have installed
[12:43] <MobyTurbo> blah09, yes, kernel updating needing a meta package is a kludge.
[12:43] <bubbanga> make a mount point like mkdir /media/ntfsdrive
[12:43] <bubbanga> then chmod 777 it
[12:43] <blah09> toon: primary partition?
[12:43] <Xappe> noone for the jam question?
[12:43] <blackwings> I just got finished installing ARRAY-4 on my laptop which has a wired and a wireless NIC, should the install not have at least configured both in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[12:43] <toon> no ligical
[12:43] <toon> logical
[12:44] <blah09> should be hda5 then
[12:44] <toon> ah ok
[12:44] <blah09> if you have just 1
[12:44] <aToaster> toon: ubuntuguide.org
[12:44] <bubbanga> then mount -t ntfs /dev/(drivename) /media/ntfsdrive -o,ro dmask=777,fmask=777
[12:44] <toon> i have 5 ntfs partitions,
[12:44] <bubbanga> thts how i do it
[12:44] <toon> 2 fat partitions i think
[12:44] <toon> and a ext2 & ext3
[12:44] <blah09> i just have this in my /etc/fstab
[12:44] <nitrox_> How many people just downloaded MySQL for ubuntu or they installed via Synaptic
[12:44] <blah09> /dev/hda5       /mnt/docs       ntfs    defaults,ro,umask=022   0       0
[12:44] <wdh> hi ppls.. when i try to unmount my automatically mounted usbstick (umount /media/usbdisk), the system completely freezes.. anyone has any idea why that is?
[12:45] <toon> i go check it out
[12:45] <toon> thx
[12:45] <wdh> or how to change it?
[12:45] <nitrox_>  I want to install MySQL but i wanted to know the best route
[12:45] <nitrox_> Synaptic or Downloading and Compiling the source
[12:45] <BiteMeBill> nitrox_: just follows the ubuntuguide
[12:46] <wdh> nitrox_, depends completely on what you want.. apt is a good start at least.. you could always compile from source if you want additional features not compiled in by default
[12:46] <jdub> nitrox_: always use packages
[12:47] <nitrox_> Thanx again Jdub, you been very helpful today
[12:47] <DonL> I'm off for now. See ya later
[12:48] <wdh> hmmz.. there seems to be additional problems with the usbdisk.. i cannot remove all files because it says its mounted read only.. while most of the files are removed..
[12:49] <blackwings> anyone else install the latest on a wireless laptop?
[12:51] <snoopy> I cant get my cd burner to work, ubuntu detects it the device maneger
[12:51] <gsuveg> blackwings: what is 'latest' hoary ?
[12:52] <snoopy> and it worked under my old distro without any extra config
[12:53] <TheMuso> snoopy: What are you using to try and burn?
[12:53] <blah09> blackwings?
[12:53] <blah09> latest ubuntu?
[12:53] <blackwings> the ARRAY-4 cd
[12:53] <blah09> oh
[12:53] <hitu> snoopy: check out the FAQs
[12:53] <blah09> no i just apt-get upgraded to hoary
[12:53] <blah09> on dell inspiron 500m
[12:53] <blah09> suspend to ram/disk now work =)
[12:53] <snoopy> I'm trying to burn an iso file but it wont work for anything
[12:53] <Scognito> hi all
[12:53] <blackwings> gsuveg, array-4
[12:54] <Scognito> where i can get gtk-sharp ?
[12:54] <LesleyB> hello :) has anyone else had any problems with warty and gdm not starting ?
[12:54] <toon> Ok, it worked, i mounted a Primary NTFS partition. Now, how do i mount the NTFS partitions on my second hd. i need to find the name. is it hdb1 ? well i think i just go check /dev/
[12:54] <LesleyB> sometimes I can log in but it fails to bring up the desktop ; just get the background image
[12:54] <Kirsch> toon: u can use fdisk
[12:54] <TheMuso> snoopy: But what are you using to burn the iso?
[12:54] <hitu> snoopy: on console or on gui ?
[12:54] <Kirsch> toon: as long as u know if its hda, hdb, etc.
[12:55] <toon> Kirsch: I can use fdisk, just in linux?
[12:55] <toon> isnt that a Dos-app?
[12:55] <Kirsch> toon: yea, fdisk is not just windows
[12:55] <snoopy> I've tried just about every gui app I could find
[12:55] <TheMuso> snoopy: What is the error you get?
[12:56] <srbaker> are there cocoa bindings for ruby?
[12:56] <srbaker> whoops, wrong window
[12:56] <ArdieM> hi, im running ubuntu 4.1 x64 .. i want apt-get to work
[12:56] <snoopy> it cant find the drive
[12:56] <MobyTurbo> srbaker, Ruby has GNUstep bindings. (wrong window, sorry. :-) )
[12:56] <TheMuso> snoopy: Have you tried mounting a normal CD in it?
[12:56] <ArdieM> i think that apt-get isnt preconfigured @ the amd64 version... could someone help me please ?
[12:57] <snoopy> I can mount cds
[12:57] <TheMuso> Have you tried using the built-in CD burner in nautilus?
[12:57] <GNULinuxGeek> Hello all
[12:58] <shock> hoi
[12:58] <blah09> hi
[12:58] <Kirsch> hi
[12:58] <guest_> where does apt-get sources cupsys extract the sources?
[12:58] <snoopy> nautilus doesn't find it either
[12:58] <GNULinuxGeek> Can anyone steer me to a way to install KDE ?
[12:58] <wk1989> hi
[12:58] <TheMuso> snoopy: it is an IDE burner right?
[12:58] <Riddell> GNULinuxGeek: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[12:58] <wk1989> i just installed WINE
[12:58] <snoopy> ide
[12:59] <TheMuso> guest_:  apt-get source packagename will place the source in the directory you are currently in.
[12:59] <wk1989> and I installed a windows program to c://programs
[12:59] <wk1989> now I can't find the program
[12:59] <wk1989> can somebody help me find the windows program I just installed?
[12:59] <Scognito> can someone please tell me if gtk-sharp is avaiable in ubuntu?
[12:59] <Xappe> check in .wine/c_drive
[12:59] <jdub> Scognito: it is
[12:59] <Xappe> or similar
[12:59] <TheMuso> snoopy: Are you using the user account that you created when installing?
[01:00] <snoopy> yes
[01:00] <iocaste> exit
[01:00] <Xappe> maybe it's .wine/drive_c
[01:00] <Dark_Kyo> an equivalent of dvdshrink exist on ubuntu for copy dvd backup?
[01:00] <TheMuso> snoopy: It may be worth trying from the command-line.
[01:00] <wk1989> Xappe: THX!!!!!1
[01:00] <wk1989> I found it!
[01:00] <ArdieM> why is evrybody ignoring me
[01:01] <chillywilly> I love Ubuntu
[01:01] <shock> ?
[01:01] <shock> ardie?
[01:01] <snoopy> but that still doesn't help my wire ;)
[01:01] <shock> whats the matter about apt?
[01:01] <Xappe> chillywilly, yes we know ;)
[01:01] <ArdieM> it doesnt work
[01:01] <guest_> TheMuso: what directory (to extract sources) is best practice?
[01:01] <ArdieM> i think there are no repos in my conf
[01:02] <TheMuso> snoopy: Are you running warty?
[01:02] <toon> Ubuntu linux is not so hard as it seems! :)
[01:02] <|Jamie|> Hi guys. I'm having trouble getting my ubuntu box on the net. I think its a DNS problem, but cant sus it out, could anyone help?
[01:02] <snoopy> yes
[01:02] <Scognito> jdub, can please tell me apt-cache policy ?
[01:02] <TheMuso> guest_: What I tend to do is create a source directory in my home directory, run apt-get source packagename. That command will download and extract the source.
[01:02] <Scognito> jdub  i'm missing something
[01:02] <BiteMeBill> |Jamie|: is ifconfig showing an ipaddress?
[01:02] <TheMuso> snoopy: Have you checked the permissions on the CD device?
[01:03] <snoopy> yes
[01:03] <Grendal> *yawn*....
[01:03] <Grendal> Evenin'
[01:03] <snoopy> first thought
[01:03] <ArdieM> where is the apt-get conf file (repos) and where can i get amd64 repos AND can i use x32 repos too ??
[01:03] <TheMuso> snoopy: Has it been working previously in Ubuntu?
[01:03] <|Jamie|> BiteMeBill: not entirely sure. I'll check in a second. I can ping google.co.uk, but I cant visit it using a browser.. does that point anything out?
[01:04] <BiteMeBill> |Jamie|: If your able to ping then your able to get out on the net.
[01:04] <snoopy> no
[01:04] <TheMuso> snoopy: Is this a fresh install?
[01:04] <wk1989> yo Xapper!, I've got  another problem
[01:04] <guest_> has a singlecd install got the tools needed to compile software (a printer driver)?
[01:04] <wk1989> how do I change the font of the application?
[01:05] <GNULinuxGeek> Thanks Riddell, I'm off!!
[01:05] <wk1989> because it's incredibly small!
[01:05] <Scognito> jdub, you there?
[01:05] <snoopy> I've been using it for a month or so
[01:05] <TheMuso> guest_: It should yes.
[01:05] <wk1989> So I want to change the font of it
[01:06] <TheMuso> snoopy: You aren't trying to use ide-scsi emulation are you?
[01:07] <snoopy> no
[01:07] <snoopy> never needed it
[01:07] <TheMuso> snoopy: I know, just checking.
[01:08] <toon> hey, whats the best location to put a game?
[01:08] <toon> is /media/ good?
[01:08] <TheMuso> snoopy: Have you checked any logs for error messages such as /var/log/messages?
[01:08] <blah09> i use /opt
[01:08] <snoopy> nope
[01:08] <blah09> dont know if thats "good" ;)
[01:08] <toon> doesnt matter i suppose
[01:09] <toon> i think i just mkdir /games/
[01:09] <TheMuso> snoopy: Might be worth having a look, especially when you boot NGOME and try and use the nautilus CD burner.
[01:09] <blah09> hehe
[01:09] <TheMuso> snoopy: As I don't really know what is going on.
[01:09] <snoopy> ok
[01:10] <toon> hey, the copy command is just copy or xcopy?
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> er
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> cp
[01:11] <toon> ah lol
[01:11] <toon> k
[01:11] <toon> :)
[01:11] <guest_> I saw this answer to earlier question...32
[01:11] <snoopy> theMuso: didn't see anything yet but thanks for the suggestion
[01:12] <guest_> I saw this answer to earlier question..."apt-get install acroread-plugin" for pdf plugin forfirefox ...courtesy of "ubuntuguide.org"
[01:13] <toon> Damn, my "dos" knowledge has some use after all... u need it to copy just a stupid file :)
[01:13] <toon> ubuntu wont let me copy files
[01:13] <hybrid> i have a question. i mounted my ngage as a harddrive now can i put a file system on there
[01:13] <BiteMeBill> toon use the sudo
[01:13] <toon> i always have to do it through terminal & sudo
[01:14] <toon> i just want to click & drag, using sudo is annoying, i have 500 files or so 2 copy
[01:14] <toon> that's typing 500 different command lines
[01:14] <BiteMeBill> toon: if you want to do it in nautilus just sudo nautilus
[01:14] <toon> nautilus?
[01:14] <toon> thats the name of my desktop?
[01:14] <toon> i use gnome?
[01:14] <blah09> hm
[01:14] <BiteMeBill> toon: and it will open nautilus with the proper permissions
[01:14] <blah09> how do i eject a cd? =/
[01:14] <toon> ah kk, i'll try it
[01:15] <Ribs> toon: nautilus is the name of the file manager Gnome uses
[01:15] <Ribs> blah09: move it to trash
[01:15] <blah09> ahh thanks
[01:15] <BiteMeBill> LMAO
[01:15] <blah09> a la apple
[01:15] <blah09> i know =(
[01:15] <BiteMeBill> I still can't get used to that method.
[01:16] <blah09> alt-f2 then typing eject seems to work too
[01:16] <WW> Is there an icon for the CD on the desktop?
[01:16] <Ribs> should be
[01:16] <Ribs> if there is a disc in the drive
[01:16] <blah09> hm
[01:16] <blah09> i dont have the icon anymore
[01:16] <WW> You could right-click on the icon, select eject.
[01:16] <lupus_> is there a function in gnome-control-center to change the background
[01:17] <blah09> of the desktop?
[01:17] <blah09> just right click on the desktop and select change background
[01:17] <BiteMeBill> blah09: thats too much like windoz..  Don't want billy to get mad about that.
[01:18] <abiertos> where is Ubuntu from?
[01:18] <blah09> heh
[01:18] <blah09> whats a good app to rip an audio cd to ogg?
[01:18] <blah09> rhythmbox?
[01:18] <blah09> sound juicer?
[01:18] <WW> blah09: sound juicer works for me.
[01:19] <Coily> is there one accepted method to speed up dns resolve?
[01:19] <jdub> abiertos: everywhere :)
[01:19] <blah09> hm you cant select quality =/
[01:19] <Coily> lookup/whatever
[01:19] <Coily> i dont believe no one knows the answer
[01:20] <BiteMeBill> Coily: do you know how many factors there are in that question?
[01:20] <Coily> im talking ubuntu only
[01:20] <Coily> not isp
[01:21] <Coily> not firefox
[01:21] <BiteMeBill> Coily: Internal or external DNS?
[01:21] <Coily> ex
[01:21] <blah09> is it just me or are the ubuntuforums kinda slow
[01:21] <BiteMeBill> Coily: thats the big one...  There are plenty of factors in that and mainly deal with your ISP
[01:22] <BiteMeBill> Coily: Or are you talking about Firefox's issue?
[01:22] <Coily> uh i thought you were referring to remote/local; yah i meant internal
[01:22] <toon> hey; how is the ATI support for linux btw?
[01:23] <toon> is it as good as nvidia?
[01:23] <blah09> dont think so
[01:23] <BiteMeBill> Coily: Well for that I'm not sure since I'm still just trying to get used to this.
[01:23] <guest_> can mp3's be converted to ogg's?
[01:23] <Coily> well ive seen stuff on the boards about 1.0 fixing such problems... but it's suggested i dont update
[01:23] <Ribs> guest_: They can be re-coded yes. But you'd loose some quality
[01:24] <guest_> Ribs:how?
[01:24] <Ribs> dunno
[01:24] <BiteMeBill> Coily: Now your talking about external again and not internal.
[01:24] <Ribs> you'd probabily have to save them out to a intermediate file first, then encode them into ogg
[01:24] <Coily> gah
[01:24] <toon> hey, whats the standard download location of Firefox?
[01:24] <Ribs> but I don't know of the programs to do this
[01:24] <toon> like /home/ orso?
[01:24] <Coily> let's just kernel/not the kernel
[01:25] <BiteMeBill> Coily: internal is inside your network or lan. (Workstation names and server names) External is the internet and websites.
[01:25] <toon> ah nvm i think i found it
[01:25] <Coily> what does firefox have to do with either
[01:26] <toon> well firefox doesnt ask where to put the file
[01:26] <toon> it just starts downloading
[01:26] <BiteMeBill> Coily: Firefox can browse the web and can boroswer the network pending on set up.
[01:26] <Coily> toon edit>pref>download
[01:26] <toon> kk thc
[01:26] <BiteMeBill> toon: set it in preferences
[01:27] <Coily> check all your options before asking
[01:27] <toon> euhm, how can i run a .run file? i read something bout    su ./filename.run    = correct?
[01:30] <zhukov> Hello.
[01:30] <Dark_Kyo> anyone perform a dvd backup under ubuntu?
[01:31] <zhukov> Can anyone please tell me how to add launchers to the gnome menu??
[01:31] <Anubis> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://security.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages)
[01:31] <sabine> Hey, how do you use the memory registers in GNOME calculator? It always tells me 30000 wasn't a reasonable value to save??
[01:31] <blah09> grip works pretty nice for audio CDs
[01:32] <toon> how can i execute a .run file?
[01:32] <blah09> zhukov are you running warty?
[01:32] <Coily> zhukov search for an answer
[01:32] <zhukov> hoary
[01:33] <zhukov> i did
[01:33] <toon> ./file.run doesnt work like a website "told" me
[01:34] <Xappe> try sh file.run
[01:34] <toon> kk
[01:34] <BiteMeBill> zhukov: right clicking the  menus will tell you alot.  It's also called adding a launcher
[01:34] <Dark_Kyo> i can't make a dvd backup under ubuntu :-(
[01:35] <zhukov> no...what i want to do is add a launcher to the gnome menu
[01:35] <zhukov> not the panel
[01:36] <blah09> bye.
[01:36] <Coily> grr zhukov nautilus applications:///System
[01:37] <zhukov> Coily, already tried -> "applications:///System" is not a valid location.
[01:37] <Coily> pffft
[01:37] <Coily> are you sure you searched google?
[01:38] <Xappe> zhukov, Hoary?
[01:38] <zhukov> 'l do it again...
[01:38] <Skif> zhukov: check the mailing lists... ISTR reading that you can't get there from here
[01:38] <zhukov> yup
[01:38] <Xappe> applications:/// does not work in hoary
[01:38] <Xappe> the only way for now is to edit .desktop files manually
[01:39] <zhukov> oh thanks
[01:39] <Coily> LAFFO
[01:39] <Coily> good god
[01:39] <Coily> nautilus applications:///System
[01:40] <Coily> that is the command
[01:40] <zhukov> wont worl
[01:40] <zhukov> *work
[01:40] <Coily> what happens
[01:41] <zhukov> "applications:///System" is not a valid location.
[01:43] <Xappe> ...
[01:43] <Pugio> hey all, I have  a quick question - I have a friend's comp who I wan tto put ubuntu on
[01:44] <Pugio> only, Im'm pretty sure Hoary is stable enough for him to use (even though he's a complete newb)
[01:44] <Pugio> I currently have a couple of Warty disks
[01:44] <Xappe> applications:/// has not worked since I started using Hoary in the beginning of december at least
[01:44] <Pugio> so... should I just install that and upgrade to Hoary from there
[01:44] <Pugio> o
[01:44] <Pugio> so maybe I should just stick with Warty
[01:44] <Xappe> it's because of the new menu system
[01:45] <Pugio> Ok - what would people recommend for a first-time linux (and all around computer newb) ?
[01:45] <Xappe> warty
[01:45] <Pugio> oook then
[01:45] <Pugio> warty it is
[01:46] <Pugio> say, isn't hoary nearing release? I seem to remember warty coming out in October - that would put the new one in March right?
[01:46] <Coily> if you plan on setting up everything, it doesnt matter
[01:46] <Coily> ubuntu should prevent him from hurting himself
[01:46] <Pugio> so you're saying it doesn't matter if I put Hoary on?
[01:47] <Pugio> cause I want to make SURE it won't mess up on him or anything
[01:47] <Coily> he'll get more support with warty
[01:47] <Pugio> well, he won't get any support
[01:47] <Pugio> it'll all be through me
[01:47] <Pugio> he doesn't even know enough to get support
[01:48] <Pugio> when I say newb, I mean he didn't even know that Windows was his (former) OS
[01:48] <Xappe> hoary is still development and things'll still break now and then
[01:48] <Pugio> or, specifically, what an OS was
[01:48] <Pugio> well then, Warty it is
[01:48] <Pugio> I'll go install that now
[01:48] <Pugio> thanks for the input
[01:48] <Coily> aww, just lost a beta tester
[01:48] <Pugio> :)
[01:48] <Pugio> I'll test it myslf
[01:49] <Pugio> I have the PPC LiveCD that just came out - works great! (great hw detection on my wireless cards)
[01:49] <Xappe> i don't think a person not knowing his windows version can be trusted as a beta tester ;)
[01:49] <Pugio> I would have to agree on that :)
[01:49] <Pugio> Warty it is
[01:50] <Pugio> ok, adiyos - i'm gonna go install it on his machine now
[01:50] <Pugio> thanks
[01:50] <Coily> glhfgg nextmap
[01:50] <zhukov> thats tricky...
[01:50] <zhukov> wouldnt he notice the full screen logo saying windows XXX
[01:51] <Skif> zhukov: that assumes he ever paid any attention to it.  Most likely, it's *push power button* *go off and do other things for a while* *come back and it's booted*
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> Skif: people turn off computers now :/
[01:53] <Skif> HrdwrBob: I've noticed less-technical people tend to turn off computers more than techie types, who just use swsusp2 :)
[01:53] <Coily> ive kept my moniter on as well... not fun
[01:53] <HrdwrBoB> I don't even bother with that
[01:53] <Coily> it got passed over from tv always on
[01:54] <Coily> problem: burn
[01:54] <zhukov> i only turn the laptop off...the server tendsto be on 24/7 except when my sister is left alone. When I come back, 99,99% of times, the server is off... :P
[01:55] <Xappe> my comp sounds like a tractor, so I have to turn it off to be able to sleep
[01:55] <zhukov> Xappe, i was having the same prob. So i unplugged fans and fans...
[01:55] <zhukov> and changed room
[01:56] <zhukov> :D But that was just because i crashed the bed.
[01:56] <Xappe> i don't have the option to change room
[01:57] <hazmat> how does one install ubuntu from a live cd (hoary-array4)
[01:57] <zhukov> :) unplug fans. So far i've only damaged a graph card
[01:57] <zhukov> Its all matrix.like...
[01:57] <Xappe> can't afford any damage
[01:58] <zhukov> Xappe, it wasnt intentional :D Atempting a 0 dB server...
[01:58] <Xappe> well, that's almost intentional
[01:58] <Xappe> ;)
[01:59] <Xappe> and I need my gfx to play games
[01:59] <zhukov> Its possible with a 8 mb card (fanless) not with a 32 with a 60mm fan...So insted of changing cards (too much work) i unpluged the fan :P  <-- Idiot.
[01:59] <zhukov> Next day: iwconfig ... WTF?
[02:00] <Xappe> don't think my radeon 9600 pro 128 would like the fan unplugged
[02:00] <Xappe> nor my athlonXP
[02:02] <Xappe> then I just have the power supply left to unplug
[02:03] <zhukov> make a fanless one :) I was a OC maniac, but in univ i must sleep in the same room as the machine. Then i realised all the fuss abou silence...
[02:03] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[02:03] <HrdwrBoB> silence = good
[02:03] <zhukov> yup
[02:04] <zhukov> i dont mind loosing 500 MhZ to silence
[02:04] <HrdwrBoB> get a current generation nvidia card and an athlon64
[02:04] <HrdwrBoB> both of which change speeds of chips and fans
[02:05] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB: haha wish i had athlon64, have nvidia 6800ultra here and i'm capped by a p4 2.4ghz :|
[02:07] <Pugio> mac mini
[02:07] <Pugio> extremely quiet
[02:07] <zhukov> P2 350-8mb card + athXP2K6-128mb card + Pmobile 1.4 - 64 mb shared card
[02:07] <Pugio> and that is....?
[02:07] <Pugio> you're systems?
[02:08] <zhukov> oh and a 48K spectrum...and two 386 Schneiders :D
[02:08] <zhukov> yup
[02:08] <Pugio> hmmm
[02:09] <Pugio> I have some Mac Addicts in my house so... 1x dual 2ghz G5, 1x dual 1ghz G4, 1x dual 867 mhz G4, 2x 450 mhz G4, 1x 500 mhz G3, 1x 1.5ghz G4 (powerbook)
[02:09] <Pugio> plus a bunch of 233 G3's in the attic
[02:10] <sri> any idea when the mouse cursors for ubuntu will be fixed?
[02:10] <zhukov> Pugio, wanna sell the 233s?
[02:10] <zhukov> :D
[02:10] <warty> Does anybody here run on linux?
[02:10] <zhukov> !
[02:11] <Skif> warty: I tried it once, but I kept having to buy new shoes
[02:11] <Linksman> warty: What are you trying to find out?
[02:11] <warty> lol...  No, seriously.
[02:11] <guest_> "/etc/init.d/cupsys start" spews out 'cupsys: Child exited with status 99!" whats this?
[02:11] <sri> Skif: yeah, same here.
[02:12] <warty> Um, for starters, how do I create an admin account for myself... I'm used to windows and I'm trying to switch over.
[02:12] <sri> you can get admin privs if you do sudo <something>
[02:12] <sri> you type in your user password
[02:12] <sri> and thast it
[02:12] <warty> Where?
[02:12] <sri> on the command line
[02:12] <warty> I'm running on a live disk.  '
[02:12] <sri> ah
[02:12] <sri> ack
[02:13] <sri> i Don't htink it matters.
[02:13] <Pugio> warty
[02:13] <warty> On the command line?  But I don't have a password setup yet, I don't have an account
[02:13] <Pugio> you never have an actual admin account
[02:13] <sri> warty: well first off, what do you want to do?
[02:13] <Linksman> warty: you can type sudo -s and then you'll only have to enter your password once.
[02:13] <Linksman> On the live CD, your password is, I think, guest
[02:13] <Linksman> Is that right, everybody?
[02:13] <Pugio> if you're new, let me explain the workings behind this
[02:13] <sri> warty: to get the command line it's right click "Terminal" I think.
[02:14] <Slant> If a package bug is found in Ubuntu, and it also exists "upstream" in Debian, where should the bug be reported?
[02:14] <sri> okay, I gotta run home.. :) goodluck warty :)
[02:14] <warty> Okay, I'm all ears..
[02:14] <Pugio> In every linux system there is an account called "root"
[02:14] <Pugio> taht root account IS the system - it is all powerful
[02:14] <Pugio> it can do anything
[02:14] <Pugio> which means it's very dangerous
[02:14] <Pugio> to use, as you may destroy your system
[02:15] <DAC1138> when i hoary supposed to be released officially?
[02:15] <Pugio> however, certain operations are required to be run "as root"
[02:15] <Pugio> what this means is that they need to have system privileges
[02:15] <steve_> I had problems with hoary
[02:15] <Pugio> when this occurs, you type in the password that you've set for root
[02:15] <steve_> I am not sure it is ready
[02:15] <Pugio> on a livecd, the password is either blank or undefined
[02:15] <shock> running hoary happily here
[02:15] <Pugio> if it's undefined, then you need to set it
[02:16] <DAC1138> shock i ran the live version, when is the official version going to be ready?
[02:16] <Pugio> the easiest way to do this is to type in "passwd root" on the terminal command line
[02:16] <warty> I see.  and I do that by typing that in on the command line.
[02:16] <Xappe> only problem with hoary right now is mouse cursor and gtk-engines i think
[02:16] <Pugio> you can get to the terminal through the application menu (top left) - it should be in the bottom category (Called System or Utilities)
[02:16] <Pugio> right
[02:16] <shock> hoary is supposed to be released in like april?
[02:16] <Pugio> that sets the root password
[02:16] <shock> something like that
[02:17] <warty> It says, "You may not view or modify password information for root.
[02:17] <Pugio> the "sudo" command stands for "super user do" (super user being root)
[02:17] <Pugio> ok then type "sudo passwd root"
[02:17] <Pugio> sudo is used to temporarily assume root powers for the duration of a single command
[02:17] <DAC1138> shock yeah, im reading april too, april 6th
[02:17] <Pugio> that way you can execute a command "as root" without staying on the root level - this reduces the chance that you'll blow your system up with a misplaced command
[02:17] <warty> Okay, I set the password.
[02:18] <Pugio> well then
[02:18] <DAC1138> think ill install hoary anyway.
[02:18] <DAC1138> how did they choose the name hoary?
[02:18] <Pugio> ok, one final point about "admin" accounts
[02:18] <DAC1138> for such an innocent wholesome distro, why hoary?
[02:18] <Pugio> "why warty?"
[02:18] <mike998> I got a problem geting my wireless card up and running - can anyone help me
[02:19] <Pugio> warty: only certain accounts have the power to run the "sodo" command
[02:19] <DAC1138> warty isnt as obscene as hoary
[02:19] <Pugio> erm "sudo"
[02:19] <Xappe> warty the warthog and hoary the hedgehog
[02:19] <Pugio> any account that is able to run "sudo" is an admin
[02:19] <warty> I understood.
[02:19] <Pugio> more or less
[02:19] <Pugio> well, that should do it then
[02:19] <mike998> ndiswrapper -l shows that the driver is installed
[02:20] <warty> Okay.  Thanks for your help Pugio.
[02:20] <Pugio> zhukov - I might be willing to sell them :)
[02:20] <Pugio> warty: np
[02:20] <DAC1138> anyone using hoary on a laptop?
 how did they choose the name hoary? <-- maybe they went the good old-fashioned way: drank too much coffe, had a nice smoke and laughed their arses off while thinking of it
[02:20] <steve_> hey mike
[02:20] <Pugio> I'm gonna have to agree with shock
[02:20] <steve_> I am no genius
[02:20] <shock> i am running hoary on a powerbook, does that count
[02:20] <mike998> but I am getting a SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
[02:20] <steve_> but have you done iwconfig
[02:20] <mike998> yep
[02:21] <steve_> what came back
[02:21] <mike998> wlan0 doesn't show up
[02:21] <steve_> really
[02:21] <mike998> i get lo, eth0 and sit0
[02:21] <DAC1138> shock not really, i have a PC question. macs are perfect, so no questions there
[02:21] <steve_> what computer and card do you have
[02:21] <steve_> internal, or external
[02:21] <TongMaster> can someone refresh my memory, is "Configuration Intro" the first screen after the initial phase of installation?
[02:21] <mike998> internal
[02:21] <steve_> what computer
[02:21] <mike998> it's a dell inspiron 1150
[02:22] <steve_> I have an 1100
[02:22] <shock> youldnt call them perfect
[02:22] <steve_> and a toshiba
[02:22] <shock> but their damn good hardware
[02:22] <mike998> you got them up and running wireless
[02:22] <shock> i am trying to get it to run on an a20p, too
[02:22] <steve_> the toshiba, yes
[02:22] <steve_> the dell has an external card
[02:22] <steve_> still muddling with that one
[02:22] <shock> and i have it running on an athlon1.4 and p2 300 and an p4 2.3 or something
[02:23] <shock> so i guess i kindof gone all thru the line ;)
[02:23] <mike998> hmmm - i am round at a friend's right now actually gotta leave in a bit
[02:23] <mike998> i will look into this later
[02:23] <mike998> cheers anyroad
[02:23] <steve_> yeap
[02:24] <steve_> mike check this link out http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2004/09/msg00187.html
[02:25] <mike998> hmmm thanks, steve_
[02:25] <billytwowilly>  hmm. anyone else experiencing downtime with msn?
[02:25] <mike998> yep
[02:25] <mike998> msn is down
[02:25] <DAC1138> looks like they're working on suspend/standby in hoary. this is why im asking about using hoary on a laptop, i have a laptop, and no kernel ive built or distro ive used has worked with suspend/standby
[02:26] <DAC1138> billytwowilly i am
[02:26] <DAC1138> billytwowilly msn messenger. happens all the time
[02:26] <steve_> your welcome mike
[02:26] <Pugio> it's really hard to do suspend/standby
[02:26] <mike998> check out http://messenger.msn.com SFW
[02:27] <Pugio> btw, can you do that on a desktop in ubuntu?
[02:27] <DAC1138> just looking at the hoary release goals i can see ubuntu is a real linux distro with their arse in gear
[02:27] <mike998> MSN webmessenger is down as well
[02:27] <Pugio> DAC1138: yes they are
[02:28] <DAC1138> Pugio works find on the toshiba i have, but this gateway has never suspended. a realy battery waster. i have to shut down if im going to "standby" and start up again when i want to use the laptop again
[02:28] <thundrcleeze> is hoary fairly stable now?
[02:28] <billytwowilly> hoary has always been really stable for me...
[02:28] <Pugio> so they say
[02:28] <DAC1138> i havent seen a linux distro so organized and open. mandrake is all closed and confusing about their release versions "10.0 official, community, download edition, etc...)
[02:28] <randabis> yeah, msn appears to be down
[02:29] <thundrcleeze> wow.  Any problems, billy?
[02:29] <steve_> I have a toshiba and it will not hibernate or suspend by itself
[02:29] <St4r533d> hola! :D
[02:30] <randabis> I've been on hoary almost a month now
[02:30] <DAC1138> steve_ by itself? so theres a way to do it manually?
[02:30] <steve_> this is a command to do so
[02:30] <randabis> switched from warty about one week into my ubuntu experience
[02:30] <Pugio> ?
[02:30] <billytwowilly> thundrcleeze, not really. It's just like running debian unstable, but more stable;)
[02:30] <guest_> ifconfig seems to indicate ipv6 is on (second line in all entries starts with 'inet6') ... how do work only with ipv4?
[02:30] <steve_> but it you normally cant bring it back
[02:30] <DAC1138> oh, so its not a hardware problem, its a command problem? any computer can just run the command and it will standby?
[02:30] <steve_> by pressing the power button
[02:30] <bitfoo> anyone get fglrx to work in hoary
[02:30] <Pugio> steve_ do tell, what command is this?
[02:30] <steve_> well, I am not computer tech guy
[02:30] <shock> depends... sometimes it is
[02:31] <billytwowilly> thundrcleeze, actually, now that I think about it, I did have one problem where I dist-upgraded right in the middle of them uploading stuff.. that was unzesty;) And the new ati drivers were bugging me up until today.
[02:31] <shock> ups
[02:31] <steve_> believe it or not, I asked and got it in here
[02:31] <steve_> I dont use it anymore
[02:31] <steve_> I cannot bring my computer back after
[02:31] <thundrcleeze> Guest_, www.ubuntuguide.org/#disableipv6-mozilla
[02:31] <steve_> I have to totally restart when I do
[02:31] <Pugio> so basically, there's no point to it
[02:31] <steve_> at least right now
[02:31] <bitfoo> i have it edited in my xorg.conf to use fglrx but its still using mesa drivers :/
[02:32] <randabis> I haven't had too many problems with hoary thus far...other than a few universe packages not working
[02:32] <steve_> i tried hoary and had issues
[02:32] <steve_> with my midi sound and various small packages
[02:32] <billytwowilly> oh yah, kde isn't setup right.. Which is sad, because KDE rocks.
[02:33] <dan_bernardic> Hi, Would someone please point me in the direction where the set up of ATI drivers, and that can be found?
[02:33] <DAC1138> billytwowilly do you use gdm as the login manager? or gdm still
[02:33] <billytwowilly> gdm still yes.
[02:33] <billytwowilly> I didn't want to messup my semi tweaked gnome desktop
[02:34] <steve_> check this out, it might have some stuff for you dan http://ubuntuguide.org/
[02:34] <Pugio> themes
[02:34] <thundrcleeze> billytwowilly, have you heard of kubuntu?
[02:34] <billytwowilly> thundrcleeze, no.
[02:34] <randabis> kubuntu is developed within hoary already
[02:34] <Pugio> people, ubuntu (and I'm sorry to say this) looks ugly - I need themes
[02:34] <billytwowilly> But I can imagine it will be good.
[02:34] <randabis> the kde in hoary is kubuntu
[02:34] <thundrcleeze> www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[02:34] <billytwowilly> Pugio, gnomefiles.org and othe rplaces have themes.
[02:34] <Pugio> just note, the Gnome version will have a bit more finish
[02:34] <dan_bernardic> Well, cause you dont like it, its noit ugly still...
[02:34] <randabis> Pugio, http://www.gnome-look.org
[02:34] <Pugio> cause more work is put into it
[02:35] <bitfoo> Why won't my fglrx drivers load in hoary/xorg??
[02:35] <Pugio> dan : you are, of course, correct
[02:35] <dan_bernardic> heh
[02:35] <dan_bernardic> :)
[02:35] <Pugio> to amend that : "I think that it looks ugly, according to my personal tastes"
[02:35] <randabis> sorry, but the brown background IS ugly
[02:35] <billytwowilly> thundrcleeze, yah, I must be running the kubuntu kde packages then. It's ugly.
[02:35] <Riddell> billytwowilly: what's not right about them?
[02:35] <randabis> it turns off a LOT of people to the distro at first
[02:36] <jirwin> hello
[02:36] <billytwowilly> thundrcleeze, they still use the ubuntu menu, which doesn't have any of the kde config stuff in it for one.
[02:36] <DAC1138> Pugio i think art.gnome.org has themes
[02:36] <dan_bernardic> Anyhow, does anyone by any chance know where the installation of ATI graphic cards is shown?
[02:36] <billytwowilly> err. that was for Riddell, my bad.
[02:36] <Pugio> randabis: you said it
[02:36] <bitfoo> its in the wiki...
[02:36] <jirwin> would anyone be able to help me get my mp3 player running in ubuntu
[02:36] <DAC1138> jirwin what one?
[02:36] <jirwin> rio s35s
[02:36] <jirwin> it should be supported by rioutil
[02:36] <thundrcleeze> I think there's a couple rio packages.
[02:36] <Pugio> I can't tell you how many times people have seen that plain brown desktop and backed off
[02:36] <billytwowilly> dan_bernardic, fire up synaptic and install the driver... edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to fglrx where it says ati. Easy as pie;)
[02:36] <jirwin> but I don't know how to mount it
[02:37] <bitfoo> billytwowilly, that doesnt work :|
[02:37] <randabis> I hope the hoary art team has taken that into consideration and will provide default ubuntu with a different background...it could be exactly the same as long as it's a different color imho
[02:37] <DAC1138> Pugio luckily eyecandy will come in hoary final :-)
[02:37] <bitfoo> for me at least, it still uses mesa :|
[02:37] <Pugio> really?
[02:37] <billytwowilly> bitfoo, That's how I did it...
[02:37] <Pugio> GREAT
[02:37] <randabis> I'd like to see human in a variety of colors as well
[02:37] <bitfoo> regardless of manually editing xorg.conf or running xorgconfig
[02:37] <Riddell> billytwowilly: yeah, I need to work out how the menus work and sort out stuff
[02:37] <jirwin> i installed the the rio packages...but not sure how to mount the mp3 player
[02:37] <DAC1138> Pugio art.gnome.org im looking at it now, it has some really nice wallpapers and themes
[02:37] <randabis> check gnome-look too
[02:37] <billytwowilly> Riddell, are you running the kubuntu project?
[02:38] <Riddell> billytwowilly: I'm part of it
[02:38] <Pugio> Dac1138 such as?
[02:38] <noobuntu> hello all... I wondered if I could get some help with php on apache...
[02:38] <Pugio> I don't suppose there's any "total conversion" themes that upgrade the whole deal at once?
[02:38] <billytwowilly> Riddell, If it makes you feel better, KDE in hoary is WAY better than kde in warty:)
[02:38] <Pugio> sure noobuntu - what's th eissue?
[02:38] <DAC1138> randabis wow, gnome-look, awsome. i always used kde-look.org, never knew about gnome
[02:38] <DAC1138> Pugio such as what?
[02:39] <Riddell> billytwowilly :)
[02:39] <randabis> I like my gnome. :p
[02:39] <billytwowilly> Riddell, Keep up the good work. I really hope KDE improves in ubuntu. I love ubuntu, but KDE destroys gnome..
[02:39] <randabis> http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=2000493974207a3fd94d89&m=screen
[02:39] <DAC1138> mac hack!
[02:39] <noobuntu> I have downloaded and installed apache, and I thought I had done the same for php but when I try to hit my php page, nothing shows up..
[02:39] <randabis> lolz
[02:39] <billytwowilly> although GTK has some really good apps built for it.. ie evolution, oo.org, firefox..
[02:40] <Pugio> DAC1138 dunno, these pacakges look like I have to update each part individually, I want something that'll change the entire look of the desktop at once
[02:41] <bitfoo> billytwowilly, - "Config it generates is only for XFree86 - it has wrong filename, and even if you change it, it won't -work with X.org"
[02:41] <DAC1138> Pugio im not sure youll find anything like that for gnome, unless its an apt-get package or rpm or something
[02:41] <bitfoo> This will be fixed in the next release, unfortunately it slipped through. <- Feb 2nd. :(
[02:41] <billytwowilly> bitfoo, are you on warty or hoary?
[02:41] <noobuntu> does anyone here know anything about apache and php on ubuntu?
[02:41] <bitfoo> hoary
[02:41] <DAC1138> brb, reboot (windows, pff)
[02:42] <billytwowilly> bitfoo, Don't run any of the ati config stuff. It's the devil.
[02:42] <bitfoo> i didnt run any of that
[02:42] <bitfoo> i installed the ubuntu package
[02:42] <billytwowilly> bitfoo, apt-get the driver and then hand edit your xorg.conf file.
[02:42] <bitfoo> i did as i said before
[02:42] <bitfoo> bitfoo@horus:~$ glxinfo | grep vendor
[02:42] <bitfoo> server glx vendor string: SGI
[02:42] <bitfoo> client glx vendor string: ATI
[02:42] <bitfoo> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[02:42] <randabis> Pugio try some of the GTK 2.x ones
[02:42] <billytwowilly> bitfoo, there's lots of chatter in here, I must have missed what you said.
[02:43] <noobuntu> anyone...?
[02:43] <bitfoo> s'all good :D
[02:43] <Pugio> noobuntu sorry ,afk for as ec
[02:43] <Pugio> oook
[02:43] <felipe__> Is ubuntu based on debian?
[02:43] <billytwowilly> bitfoo, run glxgears. If you are getting over 1000 fps, you're running the binary drivers;)
[02:43] <Pugio> yse
[02:43] <bitfoo> i know
[02:43] <bitfoo> i get 200fps
[02:43] <bitfoo> :|
[02:43] <randabis> felipe__, yes it is
[02:43] <Pugio> noobuntu what's the problem again?
[02:44] <noobuntu> s'okay... what's "afk"?
[02:44] <thundrcleeze> brb
[02:44] <jirwin> away from keyboard
[02:44] <Pugio> away from keyboard
[02:44] <Pugio> so what's the issue
[02:44] <billytwowilly> bitfoo, can I private message you? It's hard to follow in here.
[02:44] <noobuntu> oh... :)
[02:44] <bitfoo> sure
[02:44] <DAC1138> do you guys think napster will every port to linux? wine maybe?
[02:44] <felipe__> Is it possible to apt-get and stuff?
[02:44] <randabis> felipe__, oh course :)
[02:44] <jirwin> does anyone in here know how to mount a usb mp3 player
[02:44] <randabis> oh = of
[02:45] <felipe__> but must be used the debian repositories or is there a ubuntu repository??
[02:45] <noobuntu> pugio: When I try to load a php page, it asks me what app to use to open it, which tells me php isn't installed properly
[02:45] <Pugio> jirwin : like a normal usb flash drive
[02:45] <Pugio> noobuntu : you ARE running ubuntu?
[02:45] <randabis> felipe__, ubuntu has its own repositories...you "can" use some debian repositories with it, but you have to be VERY careful
[02:45] <jirwin> ok
[02:45] <jirwin> let me try that
[02:45] <felipe__> billytwowilly I got 70 FPS while running glxgears :(
[02:45] <Pugio> noobuntu : talk in the message
[02:46] <Pugio> heeelloo
[02:46] <felipe__> randabis THats cool! Is ubuntu's repositories more up-to-date??
[02:46] <Pugio> nm, sorry :)
[02:46] <Pugio> felipe__ sort of, it has packages configured specifically for ubuntu
[02:46] <jirwin> how can I monitor dmesg?
[02:47] <jirwin> tail?
[02:47] <felipe__> randabis is i.e. Xorg available? Php5?
[02:47] <felipe__> Pugio What is its webpage so I can se the packages available?
[02:48] <randabis> felipe__, in the development release, called hoary
[02:48] <randabis> warty is the current stable release and is pretty much debian sarge
[02:49] <randabis> hoary is more like debian sid, but even more up to date
[02:49] <randabis> in april, hoary will freeze, and become a stable release
[02:49] <felipe__> randabis sarge is the last debian's release isnt it??
[02:50] <randabis> felipe__, it's debian's unstable branch that will hopefully become a stable release sometime soon
[02:50] <randabis> debian's release cycle is much slower than ubuntu's
[02:50] <Pugio> randabis: that screenshot of a mac looking linux
[02:50] <Pugio> ?screen_type=1&screen_id=2000493974207a3fd94d89&m=screen
[02:50] <Pugio> http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=2000493974207a3fd94d89&m=screen
[02:51] <Pugio> who/what is that?
[02:51] <guest_> thundrcleeze: the url on disabling ipv6 is specific to mozilla ie,a mozilla feature
[02:51] <randabis> that's my desktop
[02:51] <randabis> and it's gnome
[02:51] <felipe__> randabis I c! Thats cool!! but is there a url where I can check out the packages available in ubuntu??
[02:51] <Pugio> randabis: how?? tell me how!!!
[02:51] <felipe__> randabis I guess I found it
[02:51] <randabis> felipe__, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[02:53] <randabis> Pugio, a theme from Gnome-look, some mac icons, gdesklets, Terminal, that's about it
[02:53] <felipe__> randabis thx man!
[02:53] <randabis> np
[02:53] <guest_> thundrcleeze: i do not want to see ipv6 related information on issuing 'ifconfig'
[02:54] <randabis> oh, I'm using Apple Garamond fonts too
[02:55] <felipe__> randabis Xorg is there indeed! But php5 seems not
[02:55] <Pugio> OK QUESTION
[02:55] <shock> hui
[02:56] <Pugio> i'm working with noobuntu on getting his apache to work
[02:56] <Pugio> but he seems to have a weird install of it
[02:56] <guest_> thundrcleeze:actually specifying an ipv4 address to the loopback device (ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1) works...
[02:56] <guest_> thundrcleeze:... now Ihave
[02:56] <jmhodges> hehe, building ubuntu kernels with extra patches with buildpackage is both fun and time consuming
[02:56] <randabis> felipe__, hmm, guess it won't make it into hoary then. Maybe it'll be in the release after hoary
[02:56] <Pugio> so, does apache normally require you to go to http://localhost/apache2-default/ ?
[02:56] <Pugio> (on ubuntu of course)
[02:57] <jmhodges> Pugio: move that apache2-default directory away and put in your own data
[02:57] <felipe__> randabis I c! I am currently using debian sarge...COuld you tell me any advantages of ubuntu over debian?
[02:57] <jmhodges> Pugio: thats all it takes
[02:57] <Anubis> Hoarty is going ot be fantastic
[02:58] <kobs> felipe__ !
[02:58] <odyssey> Anubis, hoarty?
[02:58] <guest_> thundrcleeze: ... cups works on localhost:631 now. But the ipv6 related output on issuing 'ifconfig lo' remains
[02:59] <randabis> felipe__, much faster release cycle, packages are more up to date, backed by a billionaire (lol), free cds shipped at no charge, probably others
[02:59] <odyssey> oh and Anubis lost his mothership
[02:59] <billytwowilly> He's a billionaire?
[02:59] <randabis> Mark Shuttleworth is yes
[02:59] <randabis> I heard billionaire
[02:59] <randabis> could be wrong
[03:00] <jirwin> Pugio, could you help me with this?
[03:00] <jirwin> how do I know what device to mount
[03:00] <jirwin> i looked at dmesg
[03:01] <felipe__> randibis interesting!
[03:01] <felipe__> kobs sup man?
[03:01] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, what is it about? a usb-device?
[03:01] <kobs> felipe__: you left us :(
[03:01] <jirwin> my usb mp3 player
[03:01] <jirwin> rio S35S
[03:01] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, probably /dev/sda
[03:01] <randabis> should just be able to plug it in and it work
[03:02] <KlaasVaag> but you should issue mount first to see if isnt already mounted
[03:02] <KlaasVaag> probably at /media/usbdisk
[03:02] <felipe__> kobs lolz not true
[03:02] <KlaasVaag> works for me, most of the time that is
[03:02] <jirwin> well I have two flash drives plugged in, my scanner, and then the mp3 player
[03:02] <felipe__> kobs everytime I go there there is nobody online nor saying anything
[03:02] <Xappe> hmm, quite good. downloading a hoary ppc livecd. eta 5 min
[03:03] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, have you tried 'mount'? at the cli?
[03:03] <jirwin> i have
[03:03] <KlaasVaag> does it mentions anything concerning /dev/sda or /dev/sdb?
[03:03] <jirwin> no, only usbfs
[03:03] <randabis> ppc livecd must be new...there has only been i386 livecds as far as I can remember
[03:03] <felipe__> kobs didnt know you are a ubuntu user
[03:03] <billytwowilly> wow. shuttleworth is a cool guy. he's funding schooltool
[03:03] <randabis> yeah
[03:04] <KlaasVaag> just try: mount /dev/sda /mnt then
[03:04] <Xappe> randabis, yes i discovered it just now
[03:04] <randabis> cool
[03:04] <Pugio> randabis yup it's new, and it works great
[03:04] <KlaasVaag> or any other folder where you want it mounted
[03:04] <randabis> I'd test it out if I had a mac :p
[03:04] <Xappe> now i'll test hoary on my g3 ibook too :)
[03:04] <jirwin> any idea on what filesystem?
[03:05] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, does it ask for it?
[03:05] <kobs> felipe__: i just started using it today
[03:05] <jirwin> yes
[03:05] <kobs> felipe__: thinking about using it in our Linux Labs (and getting rid of Fedora)
[03:05] <KlaasVaag> i never have a problem mounting mine.. so no, i dont know.. probably vfat
[03:05] <KlaasVaag> since windows natively supports it :)
[03:06] <hybrid> so does any kno how i can put a file system on my mounted ngage?
[03:06] <KlaasVaag> hybrid, mkfs.vfat /dev/sdX ?
[03:07] <hybrid> ok thnx
[03:07] <KlaasVaag> but you should unmount it first
[03:07] <hybrid> ok
[03:07] <felipe__> kobs hmm Cool! Have you thought of debian or something?
[03:08] <hybrid> Xappe: where did you find hoary for ppc?
[03:08] <KlaasVaag> kobs, as much as i've seen of fedora, that is not a bad idea :P
[03:08] <hybrid> i am on a ibook g3 also
[03:08] <jirwin> KlaasVaag, ok, I unplugged all my other devices, and then plugged in the mp3 player by itself, and now it says that /dev/sda doesn't exist
[03:10] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, i have that problem too sometimes.. still dont know what the exact problem is..
[03:10] <KlaasVaag> you could try to replug it a few times..
[03:10] <kobs> felipe__: I was originally going to use Debian, but then I saw the post about the Australian high school Ubuntu lab, and was inspired to use Ubuntu :)
[03:10] <KlaasVaag> and you could try /dev/sdb as well
[03:10] <KlaasVaag> kobs, i dont think debian has much that ubuntu doesnt have :)
[03:10] <jirwin> yah
[03:11] <felipe__> kobs :D ubuntu seems very cool indeed
[03:11] <jirwin> KlaasVaag, if this means anything, when I plug it in I run dmesg, and it tells me "usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using address 5"
[03:12] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, it does mean anything.. at least your device is found..
[03:12] <KlaasVaag> but /dev/sda and /dev/sdb still not working?
[03:12] <jirwin> does it tell us which device I need to mount?
[03:12] <KlaasVaag> not that particular line..
[03:13] <jirwin> KlaasVaag, no neither of them work
[03:13] <jirwin> do you use rioutil?
[03:14] <KlaasVaag> jirwin.. i cannot help you further..
[03:14] <KlaasVaag> im sorry
[03:14] <jirwin> ok
[03:14] <jirwin> it is alright
[03:14] <Pugio> ahem
[03:15] <Pugio> question
[03:15] <Pugio> I just installed warty and X didn't start (go figure)
[03:15] <Pugio> what's the autoconfigure command for X
[03:15] <goldfish_> lol i had that problem
[03:15] <Pugio> something like Xautoconfigure or something
[03:15] <Pugio> it says the Devices seciont is out of date
[03:15] <Pugio> or missing
[03:15] <jirwin> thanks
[03:15] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, have to get some sleep.. its 3am here..
[03:15] <Pugio> either way, I want to run the autoconfig for X
[03:15] <KlaasVaag> Feb  8 03:13:13 localhost usb.agent[10655] :      usb-storage: loaded successfully
[03:15] <jirwin> heh
[03:15] <KlaasVaag> Feb  8 03:13:18 localhost scsi.agent[10815] : disk at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:10.2/usb3/3-2/3-2:1.0/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0
[03:15] <jirwin> sleep well
[03:16] <KlaasVaag> that is what my /var/log/messages states when plugging in the usbstick
[03:16] <marcin_ant> Pugio: did you rebooted your machine?
[03:16] <Pugio> ummm, again?
[03:16] <Pugio> I rebooted once
[03:16] <Pugio> and then went through the update process
[03:16] <Pugio> but I didn't reboot again
[03:16] <marcin_ant> Pugio: only after installation
[03:17] <Pugio> right, only then
[03:17] <marcin_ant> Pugio: I had the same problem
[03:17] <Pugio> just reboot again then?
[03:18] <marcin_ant> Pugio: core installation -> reboot -> system configuration etc. = no X -> reboot -> and X session without problems
[03:18] <Pugio> cool
[03:18] <Pugio> I'll go try that
[03:18] <felipe__> kobs Im upset I couldnt install DRI here
[03:18] <kobs> i was having a porblm with my LCD monitor
[03:18] <kobs> sense Ubuntu by default, uses an X login manager?
[03:19] <kobs> i kept getting "Cannot display this video mode" error
[03:19] <pepsi> how can i get my cdrom to show up? dmesg shows me "hdc: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-107D, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive" but /dev/hdc doesnt exist
[03:19] <pepsi> hal-device-manager sees a device on the ide chain, but it doesnt know what kind of device it is
[03:21] <Pugio> marcin_ant no go, still says Device field missing
[03:21] <Pugio> it doesn't appear to have been configured correctly
[03:22] <Pugio> dumb X11!!!
[03:22] <Pugio> it worked find on Vector
[03:23] <marcin_ant> Pugio: xorgconfig then
[03:23] <Pugio> ok
[03:24] <Dreamer3> ok
[03:24] <Dreamer3> anyone awake? :)
[03:24] <Pugio> sort of, anyone know how I check to see if php is installed in apache?
[03:24] <goldfish_> hey Dreamer3
[03:24] <Dreamer3> goldfish_: hey
[03:24] <Dreamer3> ok, back to solving ubuntu issues :)
[03:25] <marcin_ant> Pugio: maybe just create php page
[03:25] <Dreamer3> when i start X i have the X cursor in the middle of the screen that just sits there (i always have a mosue cursor I can move)... eventually i can cover it up with a window and make it go away... ideas?
[03:25] <marcin_ant> Pugio: with phpinfo command in it
[03:25] <marcin_ant> Pugio: and put this somewhere in your /var/www
[03:25] <Pugio> marcin_ant : that's not working, I was tryin to double check
[03:27] <Dreamer3> i already commented out the synaptics input decide thinking maybe it had something to do with it, but i still have the X
[03:31] <marcin_ant> Pugio: everything is in php's manual
[03:31] <marcin_ant> Pugio: on www.php.net
[03:32] <marcin_ant> question
[03:32] <marcin_ant> how to use gprs modem from cell phone connected to pc via bluetooth?
[03:33] <goldfish_> Dreamer3: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/hwcursor
[03:38] <felipe__> kobs cu man
[03:38] <Mestapheles> hi hey does deep sleep work on the new ibook G4s?
[03:39] <hybrid> how do i unmount a drive
[03:39] <[Spooky] > Hello all
[03:39] <hybrid> hi
[03:39] <[Spooky] > man im going crazy here :)
[03:40] <zul> hybrid: umount the drive or right click on icon
[03:40] <Mestapheles> "umount" do a man umount for flags
[03:40] <hybrid> ok thanx
[03:40] <Xappe> hybrid, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-4/
[03:40] <Pugio> OH WOE is me
[03:41] <Pugio> question
[03:41] <[Spooky] > anyone have any howto on removing a ntfs partition and make it a ext3 partition and mount it ? and is this possible without a reboot ?
[03:41] <Pugio> How can I get Ubuntu to reconfigure X11 for me?
[03:41] <FLeiXiuS> Pugio: dpkg --reconfigure xfree86-common I believe
[03:42] <Pugio> cool
[03:42] <Pugio> cause it works well on the LiveCD, but because I used a USB mosue it botched the whole process
[03:43] <mdz> Pugio: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:43] <mdz> assuming you're running Ubuntu 4.10
[03:43] <hybrid> KlaasVaag : do i have to umount my ngage b4 i make a filesystem for it
[03:44] <p00p> hi, i'm trying to set up postfix and i've never had problems before, but on ubuntu it seems like postfix is only listening on loopback. how can i fix this?
[03:44] <thundrcleeze> probably, hybrid
[03:44] <hybrid> thundrcleeze : but it says device is busy
[03:45] <KlaasVaag> KlaasVaag, you can try to do it without unmounting, but probably it'll tell you to unmount
[03:45] <thundrcleeze> well, you don't want to create a filesystem on a device that's busy.
[03:45] <thundrcleeze> Talking to yourself, KlaasVaag?
[03:45] <KlaasVaag> ghehe.. lol
[03:45] <KlaasVaag> just came out of bed because i couldnt sleep.. guess i should go back :P
[03:46] <thundrcleeze> What's the difference between ext3 and reiserfs?
[03:46] <KlaasVaag> a lot :) but the idea is the same
[03:46] <KlaasVaag> both journalled..
[03:47] <hybrid> thundrcleeze : well i wanna write to the ngage so i can put 8hoprfully* a new os on there instead of symbian
[03:47] <KlaasVaag> ext3 is pretty much an extention to ext2
[03:47] <hybrid> damn i ment *hopefully*
[03:47] <thundrcleeze> I figured, hybrid
[03:47] <KlaasVaag> hybrid, i guess you should try to find some more specific information on the topic
[03:47] <goldfish_> I was looking at the ubuntuguide about reading from an ntfs partition and i tried and got this error, root@nanafunk:/media # mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o unmask=0222
[03:47] <goldfish_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
[03:47] <hybrid> lol
[03:47] <goldfish_>        or too many mounted file systems
[03:47] <goldfish_> Anyone know what's up?
[03:48] <thundrcleeze> Snow, here.
[03:48] <thundrcleeze> oh you meant your question.
[03:48] <thundrcleeze> Let me read it.
[03:48] <hybrid> KlaasVaag : what do you mean?
[03:48] <Pugio-Other> umm
[03:48] <Pugio-Other> that command for reconfiguring X11 didn't work
[03:48] <Pugio-Other> I had a problem with my mouse, and hwen I generated a new config file, it messed X11 up
[03:49] <Pugio-Other> now I"m on 640x480 and 8 bit color
[03:49] <thundrcleeze> Which FS do you prefer, KlaasVaag?  Is one better suited for home desktop use than the other?
[03:49] <shushi2005> How do I find which directory is the linux source directory?
[03:49] <goldfish_> Pugio-Other: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[03:49] <KlaasVaag> hybrid, well, you have your device.. and you want to change the fs-type? and ultimately the whole OS on it?
[03:49] <goldfish_> that maybe?
[03:49] <[Spooky] > dam this shit :/
[03:49] <thundrcleeze> /usr/src, probably, shushi2005.
[03:49] <hybrid> KlaasVaag : correct! :)
[03:49] <Pugio-Other> goldfish_ ahhh the other command given to me was dpkg --reconfigure...
[03:49] <shushi2005> thundrcleeze, thanks,
[03:49] <Pugio-Other> and it complained that there was no --reconfigure option
[03:49] <Pugio-Other> let me try that
[03:49] <thundrcleeze> Don't take my word for it, I'm a n00b, shushi2005.
[03:49] <KlaasVaag> hybrid, probalby someone figured the whole process out already and psted something on a personal website..
[03:50] <[Spooky] > in cfdisk number 83 is Linux ext3 eight ?
[03:50] <[Spooky] > *right
[03:50] <hybrid> KlaasVaag :nope already searched for it on google clusty and msn
[03:50] <KlaasVaag> thundrcleeze, i personally prefer reiserfs, just because i like new concepts rather then building on ancient ones.. but thats rather personal..
[03:50] <Pugio-Other> goldfish_
[03:50] <inx|Moony1234> hey guys, anyone here experienced after you hit enter on the install cd to install ubuntu, lots of text scrolling then the screen just goes black and nothing happens?
[03:51] <thundrcleeze> That's why I put it on mine, KlaasVaag.
[03:51] <p00p> is there any reason port 25 seems open from localhost, but from other hosts on my network it appears closed? does postfix by default only listen on loopback in ubuntu?
[03:51] <Pugio-Other> there was no xserver-xfree86 (or whatever
[03:51] <Pugio-Other> however there was an xfree86-common
[03:51] <Pugio-Other> so I tried tat
[03:51] <goldfish_> hmm....
[03:51] <thundrcleeze> inx|Moony1234, have you checked the md5 of your CD?
[03:51] <goldfish_> p
[03:51] <inx|Moony1234> i have not :)
[03:51] <goldfish_> Pugio-Other: what happened?
[03:51] <KlaasVaag> [Spooky] , iirc 83 is just Linux, in which you can use ext2, ext3 and reiserfs
[03:51] <inx|Moony1234> its a proper disk from ubuntu
[03:51] <Pugio-Other> goldfish_ well, it's still doing "it"
[03:51] <inx|Moony1234> not a download
[03:51] <Dreamer3> goldfish_: thanks :)
[03:52] <goldfish_> Dreamer3: np
[03:52] <thundrcleeze> It still couldn't hurt, inx|Moony1234
[03:52] <shushi2005> thundrcleeze, that's not it, I am trying to install linux-wlan-ng and I did an automatic ubuntu setup.
[03:52] <Dreamer3> goldfish_: now which of the two options ;-)
[03:52] <Pugio-Other> goldfish_ well, it finished
[03:52] <goldfish_> Dreamer3: heh
[03:52] <[Spooky] > KlaasVaag: ok, so where do i do that if not in cfdisk ?
[03:52] <Pugio-Other> goldfish_ doesn't look like it did much, the config file remains unchanged
[03:52] <Pugio-Other> in other words
[03:52] <shushi2005> thundrcleeze, the setup is looking for the linux source tree
[03:52] <stuNNed> wb bitfoo
[03:52] <Pugio-Other> I'M STILL STUCK at 640x480 and 8-bit color
[03:52] <KlaasVaag> [Spooky] , do what specifically?
[03:52] <goldfish_> Pugio-Other: Did u back up the config file?
[03:53] <bitfoo> thanks :(
[03:53] <Dreamer3> goldfish_: i'll try both
[03:53] <bitfoo> this damn ati driver is pissing me off :|
[03:53] <stuNNed> bitfoo: ?
[03:53] <Pugio-Other> goldfish_ the original one? there was no original one
[03:53] <goldfish_> ah right
[03:53] <Dreamer3> goldfish_: are you using firefox?
[03:53] <thundrcleeze> Anyone?  Linux source tree for an install?
[03:53] <stuNNed> bitfoo: ahh...join the club i used to be a member of :)
[03:53] <goldfish_> Dreamer3: yep
[03:53] <bitfoo> heh
[03:53] <Dreamer3> goldfish_: version?
[03:53] <Pugio-Other> goldfish_ I generated it from X -configure
[03:53] <bitfoo> just my luck it wont work with 2.6.x without patching :(
[03:54] <goldfish_> Dreamer3: 0.93, i did apt-get install mozilla-firefox and it said it was installing 1.0 but em.. i dunno :)
[03:54] <Dreamer3> goldfish_: hmmmmmmmm
[03:54] <[Spooky] > KlaasVaag: sorry hehe, i have my /dev/hdb as a ntfs hardrive... and i wanna delete it and make a ext3 partition of it to for example /disk2, but i cant get it to work...
[03:54] <Pugio-Other> ok, does anyone here know how to configure X11 ?
[03:54] <Dreamer3> who here said that backports were bad and would mess with hoary one day?
[03:54] <goldfish_> Dreamer3: alot of ppl :)
[03:55] <Dreamer3> goldfish_: hmmmmmmm
[03:55] <thundrcleeze> shushi2005, are you using apt-get for that install?  There's a source tree for the repository.  Maybe that's what it wants?
[03:55] <KlaasVaag> [Spooky] , get into fdisk, cfdisk, qtparted or any other partition manager.. delete the ntfs partition, create a new one with FStype Linux.. and finish up.. after that you can use mkfs.reiserfs, mkfs.extX etc..
[03:55] <shushi2005> thundrcleeze, hmmm, could I use synaptic?
[03:55] <kakalto> how do I get mpd to play files?
[03:56] <thundrcleeze> yeah, synaptic's just a graphical version of apt-get, basically, shushi2005.
[03:56] <KlaasVaag> [Spooky] , so 1) delete, 2) create linux partition, 3) make filesystem
[03:56] <[Spooky] > KlaasVaag: aha, it was mkfs i missed well well let me try hehe
[03:56] <shushi2005> thundrcleeze, oh, how silly of me, cool
[03:56] <Pugio-Other> ok, does anyone know of any Xorgconfig like utility for warty?
[03:57] <KlaasVaag> [Spooky] , good luck..
[03:57] <thundrcleeze> Pugio, I think there's some info in the ubuntuguide.org
[03:57] <kakalto> who here uses mpd to play local files?
[03:58] <Dreamer3> who here usese backports?
[03:58] <kakalto> me
[03:58] <thundrcleeze> Me, Dreamer3.
[03:58] <thundrcleeze> But before I knew what they were.
[03:58] <stuNNed> bitfoo: have you checked in #ati?
[03:58] <Dreamer3> thundrcleeze: and now?
[03:58] <regeya> dfasd
[03:58] <thundrcleeze> I still don't really know what they were :)
[03:58] <thundrcleeze> *are
[03:58] <kakalto> lol
[03:58] <regeya> yipe
[03:59] <syn-ack> Hi
[03:59] <pepsi> how can i get my cdrom to show up? dmesg shows me "hdc: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-107D, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive" but /dev/hdc doesnt exist
[03:59] <kakalto> thundrcleeze, they're packages brung back from a later version
[03:59] <thundrcleeze> That's what I thought.
[03:59] <regeya> Dreamer3, what seems to be the problem???
[03:59] <Dreamer3> regeya: trying to take in all the bad/good i've heard about backports :)
[03:59] <regeya> I seem to think there was a post in the ubuntuforums about pinning various releases, adn I think backports is pinnable
[03:59] <KlaasVaag> pepsi, is there even a working cd in it?
[04:00] <pepsi> KlaasVaag: yes
[04:00] <regeya> Dreamer3, the only thing I've had problems with is wine, and that's because I lack a winesetuptk
[04:00] <bitfoo> stuNNed, yes i checked :|
[04:00] <regeya> so not a big issue
[04:00] <pepsi> hal-device-manager doesnt know what is on the ide chain
[04:00] <pepsi> but it knows that something is there
[04:00] <KlaasVaag> pepsi, are you sure it isnt mounted automatically in /media/XXX ?
[04:00] <KlaasVaag> have you checked using 'mount'?
[04:00] <Dreamer3> regeya: i think if i can find a way to pin only backports with the "lowest" priority... that should solve any issues
[04:01] <kakalto> does anyone here use mpd to play local files?
[04:01] <regeya> well, as I said, Dreamer3, I think (I *think*) there's a post in the ubuntuforums under 3rd party projects/ubuntu backports about that...dunno, though.
[04:01] <pepsi> no, it is not there.. it cant possible be there because /dev/hdc doesnt even exist
[04:01] <thundrcleeze> No, kakalto.
[04:01] <kakalto> :(
[04:01] <Dreamer3> regeya: it's probably about pinning the opposite of the way i would :)
[04:01] <thundrcleeze> I don't know what it is.
[04:02] <kakalto> music player daemon
[04:02] <Dreamer3> regeya: the only bad things i've heard is when i go to horay the backports *might* stay around depending on versioning, so I'm seeing if it's possible to pint them VERY low
[04:02] <thundrcleeze> I don't see it in synaptic.  Is it popular?
[04:02] <Dreamer3> regeya: but i'll search the forums next
[04:02] <regeya> thundrcleeze, someone else could answer that, you know, and if you don't know, there's no need to answer. :-P
[04:02] <kakalto> it's meant for network-playing music, but it isn't necessarily used for this purpose
[04:02] <stuNNed> bitfoo: that's too bad, and they are putting out 64bit driver when their 32bit can still be kicked in the junk.
[04:03] <regeya> Dreamer3, I've had problems with pinning, though YMMV, I suppose
[04:03] <Dreamer3> regeya: i got it :)
[04:03] <KlaasVaag> pepsi, im out of ideas then.. good luck
[04:03] <Dreamer3> regeya: well, pinning is kind of complicated :)
[04:03] <regeya> for now, though, I need a shower.  regeya stink.
[04:03] <thundrcleeze> Sorry, still in "help the customer at all costs" mode from work, regeya.
[04:03] <bitfoo> stuNNed, from what ive read the problem is with the 2.6.10 kernel, not the ati drivers
[04:03] <regeya> heh thundrcleeze
[04:03] <Dreamer3> regeya: using release pinning i can ping everything from a=warty-backports very low
[04:03] <Dreamer3> regeya: i should write a how-to :)
[04:03] <stuNNed> bitfoo: ah, ok then, use 2.6.9 or 2.6.10pre or something else than stock 2.6.10?
[04:03] <[Spooky] > KlaasVaag: goodie got it to work, thanks man!
[04:03] <bitfoo> maybe :O
[04:04] <meuwe> hi, every body...
[04:04] <KlaasVaag> [Spooky] , yw
[04:04] <Dreamer3> hmmm
[04:04] <thundrcleeze> hi yoko-ubuntu
[04:04] <KlaasVaag> [Spooky] , glad i could be of service :)
[04:04] <regeya> btw, folks, I had a cause to do a ppc install at work on a G4.  Mostly went OK, and I may do a writeup on the pros and cons.  For now, though, I'm slowly transitioning a machine from running MacOS to running Warty to act as a fileserver on a MacOS-only network.  Wish me luck. ;-)
[04:04] <Dreamer3> but that won't work for same version packages...
[04:04] <thundrcleeze> hi meuwe
[04:04] <regeya> would you believe that this machine is running just fine by running the MacOS fileserver software under MOL?
[04:04] <meuwe> iam indonesian...
[04:04] <regeya> anyway...shower time.
[04:05] <p00p> how can i get postfix to listen on eth0?
[04:05] <meuwe> and my english very bad.. :(
[04:05] <meuwe> who's from indonesian..??
[04:05] <goldfish_> who needs english
[04:05] <regeya> meuwe, if you have a question, have no fear.  ask and we'll try to understand.
[04:05] <p00p> i have a question!
 meuwe, if you have a question, have no fear.  ask and we'll try to understand. --> Ok, Thank's..
[04:06] <stuNNed> goldfish_: lol
[04:06] <stuNNed> p00p: set it in main.conf?
[04:06] <KlaasVaag> p00p, you could try: dpkg-reconfigure postfix, or edit /etc/postfix/main.cf
[04:06] <p00p> stuNNed, i don't know what option to set
[04:06] <p00p> KlaasVaag, i've done both
[04:06] <KlaasVaag> p00p, google knows
[04:06] <meuwe> iam use ubuntu for my server... but the packet isn't complete...can i user packet from debian unstable..???
[04:06] <stuNNed> p00p: one sec
[04:07] <Arthur> hi there..
[04:07] <p00p> KlaasVaag, i have been, and not found anything.. i think it's related to ubuntu running postfix in a chroot
[04:07] <p00p> but i don't know
[04:07] <KlaasVaag> p00p, i think adding your LAN to 'mynetworks' could help
[04:07] <p00p> KlaasVaag, ok, i'll give that a shot
[04:08] <KlaasVaag> p00p, but then again, i havent used postfix on ubuntu yet.. only on debian
[04:08] <p00p> KlaasVaag, no dice :'(
[04:08] <linuxn00b> Hey, can I block certain packages from being updated???
[04:08] <thundrcleeze> Yes, linuxn00b
[04:08] <linuxn00b> sweet how??
[04:09] <KlaasVaag> p00p, restarted postfix?
[04:09] <p00p> KlaasVaag, yes
[04:09] <Dark_Kyo_> which type of partition for setup a server with 20 GB HD?
[04:09] <yoko-ubuntu> pardon me chaps
[04:09] <yoko-ubuntu> what do i need to install for samba support?
[04:09] <thundrcleeze> linuxn00b, in Synaptic, select the package(s), go to Package, Lock Version
[04:09] <meuwe> hiks... :(
[04:10] <p00p> i think it could be something with master.cf but i don't know what the file actually means
[04:10] <p00p> ahh maybe it's commented here
[04:10] <goldfish_> yoko-ubuntu: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver <- tried there?
[04:10] <thundrcleeze> meuwe, one second
[04:10] <linuxn00b> thundrcleeze, thanks :)
[04:10] <bitfoo> anyone got a hoary multimedia guide
[04:11] <thundrcleeze> No problem, linuxn00b.
[04:11] <yoko-ubuntu> goldfish_: no, I want to share files on my windows box with this one
[04:11] <linuxn00b> damn I had another Q but I forgot haha
[04:12] <linuxn00b> oh yeah, is there a program I can use to mass rename my files using a GUI??
[04:12] <thundrcleeze> meuwe, are you asking if you can a package from a regular debian repository?
 meuwe, are you asking if you can a package from a regular debian repository? --> yup..
[04:12] <meuwe> can i use it..?
[04:12] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, we all read his question :)
 meuwe, we all read his question :) --> what's ??
[04:13] <linuxn00b> well in rename I mean mass renaming files :)
[04:13] <stuNNed> p00p: you would edit master.cf
[04:13] <p00p> stuNNed, what should i edit?
[04:14] <Orcrist> if I have a program that's looking for my joystick at /dev/js0, but it's in the /sys tree, can I symlink it over? or is it not that simple?
[04:14] <KlaasVaag> linuxn00b, what files specifically? and to what do you want it to be renamend?? something folder-specific?
[04:14] <thundrcleeze> meuwe, don't worry.  He's just talking about how you are posting the original question with your answer.
[04:14] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, i do not think it is neccesary to copy something that we already saw..
[04:15] <KlaasVaag> but thats my opinion )
[04:15] <thundrcleeze> meuwe, instead, all you have to do when you're replying is say the person's name and respond.
[04:15] <meuwe> ooOoo iam sorry .. :(
[04:15] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, never mind
[04:15] <stuNNed> p00p: see http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#inet_interfaces
[04:15] <linuxn00b> KlaasVaag, yeah my pics a mess and it take too long to name them 1.jpg 2.jpg....
[04:15] <meuwe> thundrcleeze, ok thank's... :)
[04:15] <stuNNed> p00p: and RTFM there.
[04:15] <Levander> orcrist, i know u can do links to device files, i'd try it see if it works if i were u
[04:15] <p00p> stuNNed, unfortunately i already did that
[04:16] <meuwe> Klassvaag, sorry iam a newbie.. :(
[04:16] <Orcrist> well i've been trying it but I don't know exactly what I need to link
[04:16] <Britt> is there any word on when postgresql8 packages might creep into the repositories?
[04:16] <meuwe> Klassvaag, this is my first time to join freenode.net.. :(
[04:16] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, as i said.. never mind :) we all were newbee once :) and in many ways.. i am still one
[04:16] <meuwe> KlassVaag, OK Thanks... :-)
[04:17] <ramb0> I just installed ubuntu, and on reboot my system hangs on 'starting hotplug'
[04:17] <KlaasVaag> linuxn00b, i guess you could do a lot with a simple bashscript.. but #bash could help you on that
[04:17] <meuwe> KlassVaag, back to my question, what the effect if i use a packet from debian unstable...??
[04:18] <linuxn00b> KlaasVaag, I could but I don;t know how to wite scrips:( well someone there make one?
[04:18] <stuNNed> p00p: is your hostname tied to your eth0 address?
[04:18] <p00p> stuNNed, ah i don't believe so
[04:18] <thundrcleeze> meuwe, I just installed Ubuntu 2 weeks ago, I don't how how good my response will be.  Anyway, it will work, but you might have problems.  There are additional repositories that are specific to ubuntu that you should try first.
[04:18] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, thats rather unpredictable.. i _could_ work, since debian and ubuntu are very much alike.. but it could also cause problems or even mess up y our system..
[04:18] <p00p> you mean in /etc/hosts, or through dns lookups?
[04:18] <kakalto> what is a media player in which you can 'sort' your music?
[04:18] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, but what package do you need? are you sure it isnt in the universe or multiverse repos?
[04:18] <kakalto> like rhythm-box, but with, genres, I suppose
[04:19] <stuNNed> p00p: try in main.cf:  inet_interfaces = your_eth0_address where the latter is the ip of eth0
[04:19] <stuNNed> p00p: then restart postfix
[04:19] <p00p> rather than all?
[04:19] <stuNNed> yes you can try
[04:19] <meuwe> KlassVaag, what the different universe and multiverse..??
[04:19] <KlaasVaag> linuxn00b, maybe..
[04:19] <thundrcleeze> www.ubuntuguide.org under "How to add extra repositories"  There might be a translation in your language on that page also
[04:19] <linuxn00b> KlaasVaag, ok i'll ask them :)
[04:19] <thundrcleeze> meuwe ---^
[04:19] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, please check the website for that
[04:20] <Britt> so no word? :)
[04:20] <p00p> stuNNed, that worked!
[04:20] <stuNNed> p00p: like 'inet_interfaces = 192.168.1.106' or whatever eth0's ip is
[04:20] <stuNNed> p00p: kewlios :D
[04:20] <Severian> hell
[04:20] <Severian> hello
[04:20] <p00p> stuNNed, thanks very much
[04:20] <kakalto> what is a media player in which you can 'sort' your music, into genres, sort of like rhythmbox's artists & albums sort
[04:20] <kakalto> ?
[04:20] <meuwe> KlassVaag, i will check it... :-)
[04:20] <stuNNed> and p00p btw and just got that from RTFM at that above site i mentioned
[04:21] <p00p> rofl
[04:21] <KlaasVaag> kakalto, Yuk iirc
[04:21] <kakalto> yuk?
[04:21] <KlaasVaag> kakalto, but i could be mistaken
[04:21] <kakalto> website?
[04:22] <KlaasVaag> dunno.. and its juk, its in universe repositories for hoary at least
[04:22] <stuNNed> hi Mestapheles
[04:22] <KlaasVaag> its a kde app.. i am not sure if there is a gnome variant available
[04:23] <kakalto> KlaasVaag, thanks, I'll look for it
[04:23] <kakalto> I have the KDE base stuff
[04:23] <kakalto> just no gui
[04:23] <kakalto> *just gnome gui
[04:23] <kakalto> no kde gui
[04:23] <thundrcleeze> KlaasVaag, it's also under the extra repositories for warty
[04:24] <meuwe> whereis i must write the script for boot ?? in rh or fc in the /etc/rc.local ??
[04:24] <KlaasVaag> thundrcleeze, ok.. i did not check :) i just checked if it was in the repositories for me :)
[04:24] <motmr> I just installed Ubuntu, I have a Nvidia 4200 with a VGA and a DVI output, i have both connected to monitors, im currently wondering how to set them up under X (i have installed the Nvidia Drivers)
[04:24] <linuxn00b> anyone know how to use mmv?
[04:24] <Levander> anybody know a way I can get cron to email me the status of a job only if the job has something wrong and returns an error condition?
[04:25] <KlaasVaag> linuxn00b, as they told you in #bash: man mmv
[04:25] <KlaasVaag> or use google
[04:25] <linuxn00b> KlaasVaag, I'm reading it but I don;t understand it at all :(
[04:25] <kakalto> what was the other thing...
[04:25] <KlaasVaag> Levander, add >/dev/null at the end of the job
[04:26] <KlaasVaag> if you want to discard errors as well, add 2>&1 after that..
[04:26] <motmr> no X hackers here?
[04:26] <motmr> im just looking to set up my dual montiors
[04:27] <thundrcleeze> I will in a week or so too, motmr
[04:27] <motmr> using xinerama (or twinview, whichever works better)
[04:27] <Levander> klaasvaag, is it just the output from the command that is emailed? seems like that's what your saying.
[04:27] <KlaasVaag> motmr, maybe try #xorg or another channel..
[04:27] <KlaasVaag> Levander, normally it sends all output to your email..
[04:28] <KlaasVaag> when you use >/dev/null all std output is discarded
[04:29] <Levander> klaasvaag, all output of the command that you're running under cron? I thought cron emailed a status that just said that the program did in fact run, is possible i read the man page wrong
[04:29] <KlaasVaag> with 2>&1 you send the standard errors to the same place as the first one.. (/dev/null)
[04:29] <Levander> i know about /dev/null
[04:29] <cowbud> kj
[04:29] <KlaasVaag> Levander, well.. just setup a cronjob that'll run in 5 minutes.. and you will see :)
[04:31] <KlaasVaag> Levander, i never received any kind of status from cron _ever_ they were always just a message with the same output i would receive running those commands at the CLI
[04:31] <KlaasVaag> but then again, YMMV
[04:32] <goldfish_> Hey guys, I just installed xterminal and i was wondering if i can replace the original terminal with this when i click on the terminal menu option?
[04:32] <Levander> klaasvaag, feel stupid i didn't try, all did was read man page, i'll try in a sec, thanks
[04:33] <hybrid> could i dual boot bsd and ubuntu
[04:34] <jirwin> goldfish_, computer->desktop preferences->preferred applications ?
[04:34] <goldfish_> jirwin: i'll give it a bash, thanks
[04:34] <meuwe> everybody, i can't find ltsp packet from ubuntu respitory.. :(, where can i find them..??
[04:34] <kakalto> could someone help me? on gnome, my programs' resolutions are 1024x768, but on kde programs, the resolution is 1280x1024 by default.
[04:34] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, google?
[04:34] <kakalto> (all on the gnome interface
[04:34] <kakalto> )
[04:34] <KlaasVaag> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=57166#post57166
[04:35] <jirwin> KlaasVaag, i got it too work
[04:35] <jirwin> :)
[04:35] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, what was it again? :P
[04:35] <jirwin> here is a sorta lame question...is there anyway to make it so nautilus doesn't opena new window for every directory?
[04:35] <jirwin> KlaasVaag, it is stupid...wasn't running as root
[04:36] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, yes there is..
[04:36] <jirwin> that is what 1.5 hours of sleep does to you
[04:36] <jirwin> yippie...would you mind sharing?
[04:36] <KlaasVaag> applications -> system tools -> configuration editor
[04:36] <jirwin> now I didn't see it in there
[04:37] <bubbanga> anyone know of a program to get that will play asf and/or asx files
[04:37] <jirwin> which option would it be?
[04:37] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, im looking again :) i used a solution from somewhere on google as well..
[04:37] <jirwin> bubbanga, MPlayer
[04:37] <bubbanga> i seen aviplay but i can't find a package for it only talk about it on the net
[04:37] <bubbanga> i can't get mplayer to stream it
[04:37] <bubbanga> i tried
[04:37] <jirwin> oh
[04:38] <KlaasVaag> jirwin, schemas-aps-nautilus
[04:38] <bubbanga> trying to get internet tv of www.wwitv.com but its all in asx and asf
[04:38] <jirwin> thanks
[04:38] <meuwe> KlassVaag, i try to find it.. :-)
[04:38] <KlaasVaag> and the change the preferences - always_use_browser
[04:39] <maclin> in warty, look in nautilus edit preferences under behaviour, and choose browser
[04:41] <jirwin> KlaasVaag, beautiful :) Thanks.
[04:42] <lavigj> hey guys, quick question. What's the best way to share files between *nix boxes over a network? I found out how to setup SFTP folders in gnome, but I know there has to be a way for mounting a remote filesystem as if it were your own.
[04:42] <kobs> i use NFS
[04:42] <noppe> kobs: through gnome?
[04:42] <kobs> no, i manage it from the command line
[04:42] <|rufius|> lavigj: nfs is probably your best bet, its what i use for the computers on my network
[04:42] <noppe> ahh I was going to ask what the package was to be installed to enable it for gnome :)
[04:43] <lavigj> |rufius|: ok. I will have to look at that
[04:43] <jirwin> is there any specific reason that i can't here more than one sound at a time?
[04:43] <lavigj> noppe: well, if it mounts as a local file system, it should be seen under filesystems in gnome.
[04:43] <bitfoo> jirwin look on www.ubuntuforums.org under the howto guide
[04:43] <|rufius|> noppe: you don't really enable nfs for gnome, its not gnome dependent, and if you have an nfs share setup, gnome should automagically recognize it and add an icon for you
[04:43] <maclin> noppe: nfs doesn't care which de/wm you use - once it's set up you just navigate to the mount point like any other directory
[04:43] <jirwin> will do :)
[04:43] <lavigj> |rufius|: does ubuntu have support built in?
[04:43] <|rufius|> my network has a debian file server (nfs/smb) with some linux clients and a few windows clients
[04:44] <|rufius|> lavigj: mmmm you may have to install nfs-utils, but otehr than that it should have it
[04:44] <bitfoo> anyone know why i cant start totem anymore, and why when i could it couldnt play video files despite having every codec package installed under the sun :|
[04:44] <lavigj> |rufius|: cool.
[04:44] <noppe> maclin: yes I know but I want the neato gnome shared folder front end of doom :)
[04:44] <|rufius|> lavigj: just do "cat /proc/filesystems" and look for nfs
[04:44] <lavigj> |rufius|: thanks man, it is much easier to get a push in the right direction from someone who is already there :)
[04:44] <|rufius|> if its in there, your kernel will support it
[04:44] <maclin> noppe: :)
[04:44] <noppe> but alas it appears it isn't yet in the ubuntu gnome
[04:45] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, any luck? maybe this is interesting: http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/
[04:45] <|rufius|> lavigj: no problem :) might join me in #lfd, lots of friendly people that know stuff like that ;)
[04:45] <lavigj> |rufius|: lfd? linux for dummies? :)
[04:45] <|rufius|> lavigj: you got it ;)
[04:45] <lavigj> |rufius|: will do. and crap, looks like a kernel recompile for me
[04:46] <|rufius|> lavigj: hmmm not so quicik
[04:46] <|rufius|> lavigj: you need to install "nfs-common"
[04:46] <meuwe> KlasVaag, Thank's... :-)
[04:47] <lavigj> |rufius|: gotcha
[04:48] <bitfoo> anyone know why i cant start totem anymore, and why when i could it couldnt play video files despite having every codec package installed under the sun :|
[04:49] <|rufius|> bitfoo: because totem is a terrible media player
[04:49] <bitfoo> :/
[04:49] <lavigj> |rufius|: :)
[04:49] <Agrajag> no it's not
[04:49] <Agrajag> but gstreamer is a terrible framework
[04:49] <Dreamer3> ok
[04:50] <Dreamer3> anyone run a local imap serveR?
[04:50] <bitfoo> is it :/
[04:50] <bitfoo> crap what should i use instead
[04:50] <bitfoo> i had totem working great on warty but now hoary explodes :(
[04:50] <Agrajag> xine
[04:50] <bitfoo> ok so i'll just remove all gstreamer and install xine?
[04:51] <Agrajag> no, don't remove gstreamer
[04:51] <hybrid> if i update to hoary will i have to re install all my packages?
[04:51] <Dreamer3> ok, which repository are microsoft fonts in?
[04:52] <Dreamer3> found em
[04:52] <lavigj> |rufius|: still not seeing it. I will check the guide at ubuntuguides
[04:52] <lavigj> |rufius|: thanks again
[04:52] <|rufius|> lavigj: hmmm, join me in #lfd and we'll talk more, have to see
[04:52] <|rufius|> Agrajag: all I've ever had since I starting using linux (4 years now) is trouble with totem, mplayer seems to be the only one i have gotten to work properly
[04:53] <Anubis> gnome-desktop-environment:
[04:53] <Anubis>  Depends: nautilus-media but it is not going to be installed
[04:53] <Anubis> ;(
[04:53] <bitfoo> it works fine on warty :(
[04:53] <Anubis> I need more repositories
[04:53] <Anubis> for Hoarty
[04:53] <Anubis> someone share
[04:53] <thundrcleeze> share what?
[04:55] <mdz> Anubis: it sounds like you have too many already
[04:55] <Anubis> I need more repositories
[04:55] <toresbe> heh
[04:55] <mdz> no, you don't
[04:55] <Anubis> mdz, hows that?
[04:55] <mdz> gnome-desktop-environment is an unsupported package
[04:55] <toresbe> "NEEED.... MORE.... REPOSITORIES.... MUST....." :P
[04:55] <mdz> you probably want either ubuntu-desktop or gnome-desktop
[04:56] <Anubis> of course
[04:56] <Anubis> but it won't let me
[04:56] <thundrcleeze> I installed gnome-desktop on a whim and it screwed it up for me.
[04:56] <Dreamer3> thundrcleeze: good job :)
[04:56] <Dreamer3> thundrcleeze: i'm downloading two backports now :)
[04:56] <Anubis> thus the previous lines
[04:56] <thundrcleeze> Thanks, Dreamer3
[04:56] <Mestapheles> hi stuNNed
[04:56] <toresbe> thundrcleeze: grats
[04:56] <toresbe> :P
[04:57] <mdz> Anubis: the solution is not more repositories.  how did you get to this state?
[04:57] <mdz> Anubis: did you install warty and upgrade to hoary? install hoary? upgrade from Debian?
[04:58] <Anubis> warty>hoarty
[04:58] <mdz> Anubis: and why do you think you need gnome-desktop-environment?
[04:59] <Anubis> gnome-fifth-toe:
[04:59] <Anubis>  Depends: gnome-desktop-environment but it is not going to be installed
[04:59] <bitfoo> yah i fixed it :|
[05:00] <chrissturm> hey, what can be the reason when nslookup <donainname> returns a different ip than ping <domainname> (and its not in /etc/hosts)
[05:00] <bitfoo> yay*
[05:00] <Dreamer3> chrissturm: try dig
[05:00] <Dreamer3> chrissturm: is it multi-homed?
[05:00] <bitfoo> how does one never use esd in gnome and always default to alsa ;O
[05:01] <Dreamer3> bitfoo: hmmm i think it's under sound settings (only in hoary)
[05:01] <Dreamer3> but i really have no idea :)
[05:01] <bitfoo> heh
[05:01] <bitfoo> well you can set it in gstreamer-properties :|
[05:01] <bitfoo> but i dont think that is permanent
[05:01] <Dreamer3> i need a lits of apps to move over to turn warty into my primary system
[05:02] <Dreamer3> bitfoo: why wouldn't it be permanent?
[05:02] <bitfoo> also i fixed my issue in gstreamer properties, i had to pick XWindows (no Xv)
[05:02] <bitfoo> because esd starts on boot
[05:02] <chrissturm> dreamer: what is multi-homed?
[05:02] <Dreamer3> bitfoo: hmmmm
[05:02] <Dreamer3> i dunno
[05:02] <mdz> Anubis: some of the packages in universe are not installable at the moment; this is normal in a development branch
[05:02] <Dreamer3> chrissturm: multiple IPs
[05:03] <whiprush_> you need to shut off "enable sound server startup" in sounds too
[05:03] <chrissturm> dreamer3: no, its a subdomain of a domain of mine
[05:03] <sladen> chrissturm: DNS timeouts?  are you trying to ping/nsloopup www.google.com or something similar?
[05:03] <Dreamer3> chrissturm: what is it?
[05:04] <toresbe> Dreamer3: that statement made baby Jesus cry
[05:04] <mdz> I think nautilus-media is obsolete
[05:04] <Dreamer3> toresbe: just feels too fast for a non-prelinked system
[05:05] <bitfoo> hmm mine feels slow...
[05:05] <Dreamer3> bitfoo: too bad :)
[05:05] <Dreamer3> bitfoo: mine feels a little faster than prelinked debian sarge
[05:05] <bitfoo> my hardware is ace too so i dunno :/
[05:05] <toresbe> Dreamer3: are you recovering from a source-based distro?
[05:05] <Dreamer3> toresbe: no :)
[05:05] <Dreamer3> toresbe: debian sarge
[05:05] <bitfoo> probably video driver prob :|
[05:05] <toresbe> ah
[05:05] <Dreamer3> toresbe: close cousin to ubuntu :)
[05:05] <toresbe> Dreamer3: Well, duh :P
[05:06] <Dreamer3> toresbe: just trying to figure out why ubunut feels so fast out of the box
[05:06] <Dreamer3> toresbe: are with crappy unaccelerated video too
[05:06] <andrewski> does anyone know how to clean unnecessary dependencies and if you say deborphan or aptitude, can you suggest how to invoke it?
[05:06] <Dreamer3> andrewski: man deborphan?
[05:07] <andrewski> Dreamer3: i didn't find anything useful; it seemed to imply piping it from elsewhere....
[05:07] <Dreamer3> andrewski: well, how many does deborphan show?
[05:08] <andrewski> a few screensful
[05:08] <andrewski> 75ish...
[05:08] <hybrid> how can i burn a cd in ubuntu
[05:08] <nicedreams> I kept going on and on about the nvidia problem with ubuntu so I went back to debian sarge with xfce4.2     It's been fun...  bye
[05:08] <andrewski> hybrid: k3b, nautilus-cd-burner...
[05:08] <hybrid> how do i get there
[05:09] <hybrid> nvm
[05:09] <andrewski> Dreamer3: ?
[05:09] <Dreamer3> andrewski: sometimes it flags packages as well (things you may not want to remove)
[05:10] <andrewski> Dreamer3: fair enough, but is there any way to remove them?
[05:10] <Dreamer3> andrewski: you'll have to goolgle... you'll like want to pipe that list to something else... or use xargs... or a for loop in bash... i don't know... :)
[05:10] <bitfoo> anyone know how to associate xine with all video files instead of totem :O
[05:10] <Dreamer3> andrewski: yeah apt-get remove package_name
[05:10] <Dreamer3> andrewski: it's automating that you'll have to figure out how to do
[05:14] <andrewski> why is something so useful so difficult in debian/ubuntu?
[05:14] <Dreamer3> andrewski: it's not
[05:14] <whiprush_> bitfoo: I think you have to right click on each seperate mime type and select the default app.
[05:14] <Dreamer3> andrewski: if you use aptitude all the time it handles dependencies automatically... can't speak for synaptic
[05:14] <bitfoo> ahh you are correct thanks whiprush_
[05:14] <Dreamer3> andrewski: i remove a program everything that it needed automatically goes away if its no longer used, like magic :)
[05:14] <andrewski> Dreamer3: yes, but does it uninstall dependencies when they're not needed?
[05:14] <andrewski> oh... maybe i should use aptitude then. :)  (been using synaptic)
[05:14] <Dreamer3> andrewski: yes, if the packages was isntalled with aptitude
[05:14] <Dreamer3> andrewski: if you haven't been using aptitude it can't know
[05:14] <andrewski> that's kind of silly and hackish...
[05:14] <kakalto> could someone help me? on native gnome programs', resolutions are 1024x768 (System Default), but on kde programs (running under gnome), the resolution is 1280x1024 by default.
[05:14] <kakalto> how do I change the kde default resolution
[05:14] <Dreamer3> nothing in the debian package management keeps track of it automatically... that's why deborphan takes a whiel to run... aptitude does, but you have to use it
[05:14] <Dreamer3> kakalto: i'm trying to imagine how that works
[05:14] <Dreamer3> kakalto: what exactly is the problem?
[05:14] <andrewski> Dreamer3: deborphan takes 4 seconds on my machine; why can't i use that list elsewhere?
[05:14] <Dreamer3> andrewski: wow, that's fast
[05:14] <Dreamer3> andrewski: you can, i just told you you'd going ot have to learn how, there are any number of ways, none automated that i know
[05:14] <andrewski> Dreamer3: though i've run it before; maybe it was cached....
[05:15] <jay> hey guys, if anyone could help me.... I'm using a Sound Blaster Live! card but my motherboard has built in AC'97. Long story short, volume control has 4 mixers and I get no sound. I'd like to disable all the mixers but the one for Sound Blaster Live!. Anyonw know how? Thanks
[05:15] <Dreamer3> i need a better background than this ugly brown :)
[05:16] <kakalto> Dreamer3, the kde settings are likely in a different file from the gnome ones
[05:16] <kakalto> therefore the kde resolution is 1280x1024
[05:16] <kakalto> and it tries to carry that over to its applications
[05:17] <andrewski> thanks Dreamer3
[05:17] <kakalto> but what happens, is the application's text is smaller
[05:17] <jay> hey anyone know how I can disable all the sound mixers I don't want?
[05:17] <Dreamer3> there are ubunut's backgrounds by default?
[05:20] <pvh> What package can I find documentation for 'fork()', and 'execv()' in?
[05:20] <pvh> 'man -k execv' gives me "Nothing appropriate."
[05:20] <HaloGray> silly noobie question... what's the command line command for hard drive details?
[05:20] <Dreamer3> how can i reduce a graphic to 16bit color i gimp?
[05:20] <HaloGray> like how much free space is left, etc etc
[05:21] <pvh> HaloGray: DF
[05:21] <HaloGray> thanks
[05:21] <pussfeller> df -h
[05:21] <pvh> HaloGray: Er, df. 'disk free'
[05:21] <kakalto> Dreamer3, you still here?
[05:21] <Dreamer3> kakalto: yeah, i have no idea
[05:21] <johnnygeargrinde> Newb question.
[05:21] <kakalto> ohk
[05:21] <HaloGray> thanks... I knew it was something silly, I used to know it but forgot it
[05:21] <kakalto> I don't suppose you know the command for the kde control center?
[05:21] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmm
[05:21] <Dreamer3> i can convert to 256 color, but that's not what i want to do
[05:22] <johnnygeargrinde> I wanna see a graphical representation of my hard drive. Where do I look?
[05:22] <Dreamer3> i just want to reduce the # of colors
[05:22] <johnnygeargrinde> When I go to devices directory all hds have a red x
[05:22] <HaloGray> the df command has it all really... how much space is used and free and how much percent is used
[05:22] <HaloGray> it's just not graphical.
[05:22] <johnnygeargrinde> ok
[05:23] <HaloGray> open a terminal and type df
[05:23] <kakalto> does anyone know the command for the kde control center?
[05:23] <johnnygeargrinde> I juct defected!!!
[05:23] <kakalto> 'cause I use gnome, but I want to change my kde settings
[05:23] <johnnygeargrinde> Thanks
[05:23] <johnnygeargrinde> -c +t
[05:23] <pvh> johnnygeargrinde: You could also try 'gnome-system-monitor'
[05:23] <johnnygeargrinde> ok
[05:23] <smo> kakalto: I think it may be "kontrol".  it's been a while tho
[05:24] <johnnygeargrinde> I installed Knoppix a few days ago.
[05:24] <johnnygeargrinde> I got a magazine with a cd in it.
[05:24] <kakalto> smo, thanks
[05:24] <johnnygeargrinde> I threw the cd to the side.
[05:25] <kakalto> smo, kcontrol, but close enough :D
[05:25] <johnnygeargrinde> I read an article about Ubuntu. I said "Hey thats the cd I have". So here I am
[05:25] <Guardiann> johnnygeargrinde welcome
[05:25] <johnnygeargrinde> Thanks
[05:26] <johnnygeargrinde> I have just made it from the DARK SIDE
[05:26] <johnnygeargrinde> I go to school for Networking and its all MS
[05:26] <Guardiann> :)
[05:27] <sladen> johnnygeargrinde: ah, so you know that you have to route everything through localhost to get it to go anywhere... :)
[05:28] <johnnygeargrinde> Actually, havent made it that far yet. Second quarter. :(
[05:29] <johnnygeargrinde> I know that htere is a closer school with a Linux/Unix program. Have already applied.
[05:29] <johnnygeargrinde> Amazing, how your life can change in three days.
[05:29] <johnnygeargrinde> :0
[05:31] <johnnygeargrinde> I have a Flash plugin in my downloads directory. How do I install it?
[05:31] <johnnygeargrinde> Do I go to terminal and type sudo and the directory
[05:31] <johnnygeargrinde> ?
[05:32] <bitfoo> where is nautilus in hoary :O
[05:32] <jamin_l> hey guys... anyone know how to either a) create HTML copy of your Music files or b) read ID3 tags from the terminal?
[05:33] <jamin_l> uh by a) i mean a list in HTML of all the fies in your Music directory. I know WinAMP in Windows was able to do this
[05:34] <thundrcleeze> hoary, at least xorg seems quite a bit slower than warty.  Are the system reqs higher?
[05:35] <Guardiann> johnnygeargrinde check out this site www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:35] <bitfoo> i agree thundrcleeze
[05:35] <johnnygeargrinde> Thank you.
[05:35] <Guardiann> sgould answer several of your questions
[05:35] <Guardiann> yw
[05:36] <thundrcleeze> Do you know why, bitfoo?
[05:36] <bitfoo> no i do not
[05:37] <thundrcleeze> How fast is your system, bitfoo?
[05:38] <bitfoo> fast
[05:38] <bitfoo> gig of ram 1.8 pentium-m 60gig 7200rpm
[05:38] <bitfoo> :|
[05:39] <thundrcleeze> ugh.  I was hoping it was just the 1.0 pentium with 256 ram. Guess not.
[05:39] <pvh> What package can I find the man pages for 'fork()', and 'execv()' in?
[05:39] <bitfoo> i cant get my ati drivers to work correctly though
[05:39] <bitfoo> so that may be it
[05:40] <Dreamer3> sheesh
[05:41] <Dreamer3> how hard is it to find a silly background
[05:41] <Dreamer3> i wouldn't have thoguht so hard
[05:41] <jason_> bitfoo: my windows ladder a bit now after changing to hoary 1.6 pentium-m radeon 9000 32mb
[05:41] <eskilo> anyone here use thunderbird/enigmail?
[05:41] <pvh> Dreamer3: The much debated ubuntu backgrounds?
[05:41] <pvh> Dreamer3: apt-get install ubuntu-calendar
[05:41] <meuwe> everybody, now i use synaptics to install kdevelop, but i didn't install kde, it's fine..??
[05:42] <bitfoo> ladder?
[05:42] <thundrcleeze> I've installed kde apps like K3B with no problems, meuwe
[05:42] <whiprush> eskilo: I do.
[05:42] <jason_> looks like stairs when i move windows around
[05:42] <Dreamer3> pvh: no :) not those, they were a bit much for me, though i like ht elogin screen
[05:42] <Dreamer3> pvh: i was trying to fing Gnome explosion, but I found it :)
[05:43] <pvh> Dreamer3: oh good
[05:43] <meuwe> thundrcleeze, ok, thank's...
[05:43] <johnnygeargrinde> When I update I get messages saying that packages do not exist. Try apt-get update
[05:43] <johnnygeargrinde> Or cannot be opened
[05:43] <froust> What's the easiest way to remote desktop to a windows box from ubuntu?
[05:44] <thundrcleeze> They should make some ubuntu wallpapers that are general, and maybe add some blues or reds to them while still throwing in the logo.
[05:45] <Guardiann> johnnygeargrinde did you update your source list
[05:45] <toganet> froust: VNC is your best bet -- www.tightvnc.com
[05:45] <johnnygeargrinde> my repositories?
[05:45] <Guardiann> yes
[05:45] <johnnygeargrinde> Yes
[05:45] <Dreamer3> i switched it to plain brown (no background) and it reveals some slight visual anomalies in my otherwise perfect 19" lcd screen
[05:45] <johnnygeargrinde> I did not add testing and unstable though
[05:46] <Dreamer3> nothing i'd ever notice in day to day use or with any other backgrounds
[05:46] <Dreamer3> johnnygeargrinde: are you the backports guy? :)
[05:46] <johnnygeargrinde> No
[05:46] <johnnygeargrinde> I just defected.
[05:46] <johnnygeargrinde> :)
[05:47] <Dreamer3> johnnygeargrinde: i keep getting disconnected trying to get firefox, but i keep trying and getting more and more
[05:47] <Dreamer3> wow, if i play around in the change background dialog i start getting all somes of gnome panel errors and the panels all crash
[05:48] <Dreamer3> this is a stock install and i've added one panel :)
[05:48] <zenwhen> I am trying to upgrade to hoary and it wants to remove gnome?
[05:48] <zenwhen> :(
[05:48] <johnnygeargrinde> k
[05:48] <Guardiann> yep and then it will reinstall
[05:48] <Dreamer3> zenwhen: try again when you're ready to risk such dangerous things :)
[05:48] <zenwhen> why is it wanting to remove gnome?
[05:49] <zenwhen> That is all I am asking.
[05:49] <Guardiann> cause it will install a new version
[05:49] <zenwhen> It isnt though.
[05:49] <thundrcleeze> It's replacing gnome
[05:49] <thundrcleeze> I just did it, no problems.
[05:49] <Guardiann> :)
[05:49] <froust> toganet: will that interface with windows' remote desktop?
[05:50] <toganet> froust: No -- for that, you should use rdesktop
[05:50] <froust> ahh.
[05:51] <froust> toganet: thanks
[05:52] <johnnygeargrinde> I have a flash plugin in my downloads. To install, do I type sudo and the full path to the plugin?
[05:52] <Skif> so I'm trying to compile madwifi drivers for my new laptop, and it turns out that apparently I need a kernel with CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=n; am I SOL, ubuntu-support-wise, or is there a workaround?
[05:52] <Dreamer3> Skif: why would that matter?
[05:52] <Dreamer3> Skif: you just need to compile the module AGAINST the ubuntu kernel version
[05:52] <theoddone33> I upgrade from debian to warty to hoary
[05:53] <theoddone33> I used to have symlinks to /dev/cdrom
[05:53] <theoddone33> and /dev/dvd
[05:53] <theoddone33> what do I need to do to remake them?
[05:53] <toganet> Anybody getting "Not starting NFS kernel daemon: No exports." when trying to start NFS, even though /etc/exports exists?
[05:53] <theoddone33> since /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd are no longer there either
[05:53] <Dreamer3> gosh, don't tell me all that is supposed to change
[05:53] <Skif> Dreamer3: that's what I thought, but I keep getting unresolved symbol errors, and the mailing lists etc. all say the fix is to compile with CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=n
[05:54] <redrum> can someone tell me how to install ati drivers?
[05:55] <Dreamer3> Skif: i'm not sure that will solve the unresolved symbol errors
[05:55] <nitrox_> I got a question... If I switch motherboard would it be safe to recompile the kernel or just it things get detected
[05:55] <dutch> evening
[05:55] <Skif> Dreamer3: well, I'm going to try compiling my own linux-image with CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=n and see :-\
[05:55] <dr_willis> ive had some issues doing such a big change nitrox_
[05:55] <toganet> redrum: check out the HowTo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=ati%20drivers
[05:55] <Dreamer3> Skif: good luck, let me know how it turns out, as that should break all the ubuntu book stuff :)
[05:56] <redrum> toganet: thx
[05:56] <Skif> Dreamer3: ubuntu book stuff?
[05:56] <Dreamer3> Skif: boot
[05:56] <Skif> er, great
[05:56] <Dreamer3> Skif: but YYMV, i haven't tried it... but the custom initrd boot sequence things leaves me worried about a custom kernel :)
[05:56] <nitrox_> Dr. Willis what do you recommend.. I freshing install then transfer files from the old system
[05:57] <Skif> Dreamer3: I've compiled custom kernels before, but not in some time
[05:57] <Dreamer3> Skif: compiled them with ubuntu?
[05:58] <Skif> Dreamer3: yeah, I needed to use upstream keyspan drivers for a particular adapter that needed downloaded firmware
[05:58] <Dreamer3> Skif: well, good luck, may not be as bad as i think
[05:59] <Dreamer3> Skif: i'm just going to see how far the ubuntu kernel takes me (on sarge i compiled new -ck* kernels all the time for interactivity)
[05:59] <Skif> Dreamer3: it's normally fairly good, but if you need anything not included, I've discovered it's often a pain to get there from here
[06:01] <linuxboy> what do i need to install to play dvds in totem?
[06:01] <redrum> how can i tell which kernel i'm running?
[06:01] <Skif> redrum: uname -r
[06:01] <linuxboy> redrum: type uname -a
[06:01] <Skif> or -a, whatever :)
[06:01] <theoddone33> well crap, how nonintuitive
[06:01] <billytwowilly> hmm. anyone know if I can mount a .bin file so I don't have to burn it to disk?
[06:01] <theoddone33> oh well, my problem is solved
[06:01] <HrdwrBoB> billytwowilly: use bchunk then it's an iso then you can mount it
[06:01] <Skif> billytwowilly: sudo mount -o loop file.iso dir
[06:02] <billytwowilly> thanks guys. That was fast:)
[06:03] <Skif> billytwowilly: just be glad you didn't ask that the day I decided to answer all technical questions like a character from a bad Regency romance novel
[06:03] <billytwowilly> Heh, that would have been sexy;)
[06:03] <Skif> took me three days just to get around to answering "hi, how are ya"
[06:03] <redrum> i can't get sound to work :(.  I have an on-board realtek soundcard (using SPDIF)...
[06:04] <crimsun> "realtek soundcard" really doesn't tell me anything, unfortunately.
[06:04] <crimsun> I need the relevant line from lspci -v
[06:04] <redrum> it's a reaktek ac850 chipset (?)
[06:04] <niptac> hey guys what does this mean? "The JAVA_HOME environment variable is not defined
[06:04] <niptac> This environment variable is needed to run this program
[06:04] <niptac> " I just installed java
[06:04] <crimsun> redrum: from lspci -v ?
[06:05] <redrum> looking...
[06:05] <crimsun> niptac: export JAVA_HOME=/path/to/java_home
[06:06] <niptac> crimsun: do I just link it?
[06:06] <crimsun> niptac: come again?
[06:06] <redrum> crimsun: "0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)"
[06:06] <niptac> I think I stuffed it all up cause I installed same java twice
[06:06] <crimsun> redrum: lsmod|grep ^snd_via82xx
[06:07] <redrum> crimsun: snd_via82xx            30436  3
[06:07] <niptac> first time I made it exexutable with chmod and run it second time I sh it and installed in 2 different places
[06:08] <crimsun> redrum: seems to be detected just fine. Paste the output of amixer to http://pastebin.ca
[06:09] <redrum> crimsun: done
[06:09] <redrum> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/5450
[06:09] <crimsun> (next time use your irc nick)
[06:10] <redrum> ok
[06:10] <niptac> crimsun I dont really understand what to do :\
[06:11] <crimsun> redrum: enable your iec958*
[06:11] <redrum> crimsun: how do i do that
[06:11] <crimsun> redrum: then test with aplay -Dplug:spdif foo.wav
[06:11] <crimsun> redrum: use alsamixer
[06:12] <crimsun> niptac: where did you install the jre/jdk?
[06:12] <audix> Can anybody point me to the package I need to install so I have man pages for c programming language functions?
[06:12] <nitrox_>  /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[06:12] <crimsun> audix: manpages-dev
[06:12] <nitrox_> Getting that message while trying to install Mysql via apt-get
[06:13] <redrum> crimsun: how do i 'enable' in alsamixer?
[06:13] <crimsun> redrum: unmute and increase the volume
[06:13] <audix> crimsun: thx... damnit, I must be having more repository problems
[06:13] <Skif> nitrox_: do you have synaptic or aptitude running at the same time?
[06:14] <redrum> crimsun: i have 3 iec958*'s - how do i 'unmute'? one is on the rest are off
[06:14] <Skif> == at the same time you try the apt-get, not at the same time as each other
[06:15] <nitrox_> No
[06:15] <nitrox_> I don't have anything running
[06:15] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmmm
[06:15] <Dreamer3> does rythmbox not do mp3?
[06:15] <nitrox_> Even checked the system monitor to see if it was loaded
[06:16] <crimsun> redrum: 'm'
[06:16] <crimsun> Dreamer3: it sure does.
[06:16] <Dreamer3> crimsun: not working for the life of me
[06:16] <crimsun> Dreamer3: did you follow the instructions for 'gstreamer0.8-mad' on /wiki/RestrictedFormats ?
[06:16] <regeya> Dreamer3, you need a mad plugin for gstreamer
[06:16] <regeya> meh
[06:16] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ok, that's it :)
[06:16] <regeya> bless you crimsun
[06:17] <Skif> nitrox_: did you maybe reboot with one open or something?
[06:17] <niptac> crimsun I just did cd /home/niptac then chmod +x then cd /usr/local then run the .bin file as /home/niptac then I did ln -s j2sdk1.4.2_05 java
[06:17] <Dreamer3> crimsun: thanks, coming down now :)
[06:17] <Skif> nitrox_: it could be very bad if you have one running and you delete the lock file and then try to do something with it is why I'm asking
[06:17] <regeya> hm...that mp3 I just made of the galactica themesong (exported from kino) seems to have a dc element :-P
[06:17] <nitrox_> I never ran synaptic since i installed the system
[06:18] <Dreamer3> sweet :)
[06:18] <nitrox_> MYSQL is the first thing i want to install
[06:18] <crimsun> niptac: so you need to do: export JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/j2sdk1.4.2_05
[06:18] <crimsun> niptac: and export PATH=$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH
[06:19] <nitrox_> I understand
[06:19] <Skif> nitrox_: assuming not, then rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[06:19] <Dreamer3> now if only i figure out how to get e-mail working :)
[06:19] <Skif> dreamer: apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird :P
[06:19] <billytwowilly> evolution rules
[06:20] <niptac> crimsun after that I thought it didn't install so I did cd /home/niptac sh j2sdk1.4.2_05 and then did ln -s j2sdk1.4.2_05 java and this time it is in my home folder also so I think I installed it twice
[06:20] <Skif> billytwowilly: not when I can't selectively apply a proxy to a specific account
[06:20] <Dreamer3> Skif: i know which e-mail client i want... just trying to migrate from debian sarge to ubuntu without going crazy
[06:20] <redrum> crimsun: do I have to test with a .wav file?
[06:20] <Dreamer3> i have thousands of e-mails in different formats :)
[06:20] <crimsun> redrum: yes.
[06:20] <Skif> if, say, I want to check my home email at work, I can't do that with evolution
[06:20] <Dreamer3> and ubuntu isn't completely setup up
[06:20] <Skif> well, apparently not without significant pain, which I'm not willing to suffer
[06:20] <Dreamer3> Skif: why not?
[06:21] <Dreamer3> Skif: evolutions does IMAP
[06:21] <audix> Can anybody help me with repositories?  I don't know why, but my search for manpages-dev doesn't give me what I want.  This package surely exists, I think I don't have the correct repository set...
[06:21] <Skif> dreamer: but it doesn't do imap proxy on account A, but not on account B
[06:21] <Dreamer3> Skif: interesting
[06:21] <Skif> dreamer: it assumes you have the same access methods for all your email
[06:21] <crimsun> audix: you need 'main' repo
[06:21] <crimsun> audix: enable it in Synaptic>Settings>Repositories
[06:22] <Skif> Dreamer3: I found a page which describes a way to hack around it, but it was ugly, and my first couple of tries didn't succeed
[06:22] <nitrox_> Skif: I am just going to try a reboot and see what happens
[06:22] <nitrox_> She if that help the situation
[06:22] <nitrox_> See*
[06:22] <Skif> nitrox_: if I'm right, it'll still be locked after reboot, so you will be able to delete it with a clear conscience
[06:22] <redrum> crimsun: "aplay: test_wavefile:686: can't play not PCM-coded WAVE-files"
[06:23] <audix> crimsun: thx, that did it... I blindly followed some tutorial on repository setup that didn't include those ones for whatever reason...
[06:23] <nitrox_> I did the /var/lib/dpkg/lock already
[06:23] <crimsun> redrum: so play a .wav file...
[06:23] <redrum> crimsun: it IS (I think...)
[06:23] <Dreamer3> i love how they are so close i can just copy most of my debian sarge settings over :)
[06:23] <crimsun> redrum: no it's not.
[06:23] <Dreamer3> setting up gkrellm just right always sucks
[06:24] <redrum> crimsun: ok i'll look for another
[06:24] <Skif> Dreamer3: I wish they'd use ifplugd instead of continually running dhclient on every eth interface, though
[06:24] <Skif> Dreamer3: it clutters /var/log/syslog something fierce
[06:24] <Dreamer3> Skif: huh?
[06:24] <crimsun> Skif: patches are welcome.
[06:24] <Skif> crimsun: I'm working on it
[06:24] <crimsun> Skif: (for Hoary+1)
[06:25] <Skif> crimsun: *nod*
[06:25] <Dreamer3> it's below 50 in my house :)
[06:25] <Skif> crimsun: I had ifplugd working on sid, but haven't gotten around to re-creating it on ubuntu yet
[06:27] <redrum> crimsun: aplay output:  http://pastebin.ca/5451
[06:27] <bl4cks4ils> hi
[06:27] <bl4cks4ils> hi
[06:27] <redrum> crimsun: no sound though
[06:28] <sig_ubuntu> thought I'd give a little eye candy on my ubuntu laptop install
[06:28] <sig_ubuntu> http://www.linuxgoons.com/screenshots/ubuntucurrent.png
[06:28] <crimsun> redrum: with aplay -l, do you see pcm.spdif ?
[06:28] <crimsun> err, aplay -L
[06:29] <bl4cks4ils> i'd like to mount my mac partition when i boot up. what is the file i'll need to edit called?
[06:29] <bl4cks4ils> and the location
[06:29] <sig_ubuntu> bl4cks4ils: http://ubuntuguide.org
[06:29] <jamin_l> hey guys... anyone know how to create an HTMLized playlist copy of your Music files?
[06:29] <Dreamer3> are there any good "mac dock like" things for linux? :)
[06:29] <redrum> crimsun: "spdif 'cards.pcm.iec958'"
[06:30] <Dreamer3> something like KDE where the icons geta  little larger when you hover is all i like :)
[06:30] <sig_ubuntu> http://ubuntuguide.org/#hardware
[06:30] <crimsun> redrum: tried plug:iec958 then?
[06:31] <redrum> crimsun: how so?
[06:31] <sig_ubuntu> jamin_l: yeah I know a guy in #linuxdojo that does
[06:31] <sig_ubuntu> named krieggod
[06:31] <jamin_l> hmm thanks
[06:31] <cybervyk> Hello?  Got a couple of questions ...?
[06:32] <cybervyk> ... about cd writers ...
[06:32] <nuuB> hi, i just installed ubuntu and did the modem howto - all went well and the isp said my connected fine - but i opened firefox to test it out and cant get any websites to open - what did i do wrong?
[06:32] <redrum> crimsun: what do you mean?
[06:33] <wliu> hi, can someone help me debug why my Sony DVD writer isn't working using Nautilus (or cdrecord from the command prompt for that matter) ?
[06:33] <sig_ubuntu> http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop.14580695
[06:33] <Dreamer3> if ubuntu slows down in 6 months i won't be happy
[06:33] <crimsun> -D...
[06:33] <crimsun> ^ redrum
[06:33] <crimsun> wliu: what are you typing at the cli?
[06:34] <wliu> crimsun: cdrecord -v speed=1 dev=0,0,0 image.iso
[06:34] <crimsun> wliu: wrong syntax.
[06:34] <crimsun> wliu: what device is your dvdr?
[06:35] <cybervyk> Can someone explain how I would use scsi emulation in Ubuntu 4.10 and grub?  I am using the amd64 distro with kernel  2.6.8.1-3.
[06:35] <crimsun> cybervyk: why do you need scsi emulation?
[06:35] <bluefoxicy> I have one we need for a fortune cookie
[06:35] <wliu> crimsun: cdrecord --scanbus  tells me its on scsibus0:  0,0,0
[06:35] <bluefoxicy> "nobody who can think should ever be forced into a situation that bores them."
[06:35] <redrum> crimsun: ok i'm lost
[06:35] <crimsun> wliu: --scanbus is deprecated for 2.6 kernels and atapi cdrs and dvdrs
[06:36] <crimsun> wliu: use -dev=/dev/hdX instead
[06:36] <cybervyk> Well, maybe I don't.  Many howtos I've read suggest it.  It does not seem to work.  Anyway, if I don't need it, I'll leave it but I have troubles with k3b.
[06:36] <wliu> crimsun: ohhhh..... does nautilus still use the old method, which is why that doesn't work?
[06:36] <crimsun> cybervyk: see what I just typed to wliu.
[06:37] <cybervyk> Thank you, brb
[06:37] <redrum> crimsun: damn that works
[06:37] <redrum> crimsun: the plug:iec958 device...
[06:37] <crimsun> redrum: I know.
[06:38] <redrum> crimsun: obviously.  now how do i get it to work all the time :D
[06:38] <crimsun> ...it does work all the time. Do you mean by default?
[06:38] <wliu> crimsun: still giving me the same error
[06:38] <redrum> yes sir
[06:38] <crimsun> wliu: what syntax are you using?
[06:39] <wliu> cdrecord -v speed=1 -dev=/dev/hdX image.iso
[06:39] <cybervyk> OK. Anyhow, I was hoping to use k3b to burn.  I have a DVD write / CD writer combo drive.  K3b recognizes a dvd writer but not a cd write.  Understand?
[06:39] <Dreamer3> ok
[06:39] <cybervyk> *DVD writer
[06:39] <Dreamer3> now for evolution
[06:39] <Dreamer3> *shivers*
[06:39] <crimsun> redrum: create an ~/.asoundrc or an /etc/asound.conf with the following contents: pcm.!default { type plug slave.pcm "iec958" } ctl.!default { type hw card 0 }
[06:39] <bl4cks4ils> sudo mount /dev/hda3 /macosx hfsplus -  is that right?
[06:39] <bl4cks4ils> sudo mount /dev/hda3 /macosx -t hfsplus
[06:40] <redrum> crimsun: are either files preferable?
[06:40] <crimsun> wliu: you're supposed to replace 'X' with the actual character
[06:40] <wliu> crimsun: :)
[06:40] <crimsun> redrum: completely your preference.
[06:40] <wliu> crimsun: how can i tell which letter it would be?
[06:41] <crimsun> wliu: dmesg will tell you.
[06:41] <eskilo> anyone know much about gnupg? i'm trying to generate keys that use the toughest standards possible, like aes256 and such..
[06:41] <crimsun> eskilo: err...?
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> anyone using gnomebaker on warty ?
[06:41] <eskilo> what?
[06:41] <Dreamer3> anyone familiar with imap servers?
[06:41] <eskilo> yes
[06:41] <eskilo> what about them?
[06:41] <crimsun> eskilo: gpg really isn't concerned with aes.
[06:41] <Dreamer3> i need to pick a good one
[06:41] <Dreamer3> was using courier, but it felt very slow
[06:42] <eskilo> crimsun:  aes is one of the many options you can use for your key.
[06:42] <eskilo> for the crypto alg.
[06:42] <cybervyk> Has anyone had an issue with any burning app that acknowledges a combo drive as a DVD writer but not a CD writer?
[06:42] <Skif> Dreamer3: well, cyrus is the only standards-compliant imap server
[06:42] <Skif> Dreamer3: it's a little confusing to set up, but it's very happy once you do
[06:42] <bl4cks4ils> ...
[06:42] <Dreamer3> Skif: but is it FAST?
[06:42] <Skif> Dreamer3: the lists are very helpful
[06:42] <crimsun> eskilo: in which version?
[06:42] <Dreamer3> Skif: i can't imagine for the life of me while a local IMAP server should EVERY be slow
[06:43] <Dreamer3> Skif: creating, renaming, deleting folders should be INSTANT
[06:43] <Skif> Dreamer3: you could argue that since the others aren't technically IMAP servers, it's the fastest by virtue of being the only one :)
[06:43] <Dreamer3> Skif: does it do maildir and sub-folders?
[06:43] <Skif> dreamer: I've never used it locally, so I'm not sure.  It's fast enough for my needs.  It doesn't use maildir, it has its own storage format, but it does to subdirs
[06:43] <Skif> s/to/do/
[06:43] <Dreamer3> Skif: hmmm
[06:43] <wliu> crimsun: it says it couldn't open /dev/hdc exclusively (permission denied)
[06:44] <Dreamer3> Skif: i have this terrible paranoia of my data getting stuck in proprietary storage formats
[06:44] <wliu> crimsun: it also complained about not be able to do mlockall and RR-scheduler
[06:44] <Skif> Dreamer3: it's not proprietary, it's specc'd, it's just that nobody else uses it
[06:44] <crimsun> wliu: are you using sudo?
[06:44] <Skif> Dreamer3: there are all sorts of locking issues with maildir that make it slow, so if you want speed, you definitely don't want that
[06:44] <wliu> crimsun: of course not.  if i did, i wouldnt be here :)
[06:45] <crimsun> eskilo: which options did you choose in creating your keypair?
[06:45] <Dreamer3> Skif: but getmail can deliver straight to maildir
[06:45] <Dreamer3> Skif: how would i set that up with cyrus?
[06:45] <Skif> Dreamer3: what's getmail?  fetchmail clone?
[06:45] <Dreamer3> Skif: yes
[06:45] <Skif> Dreamer3: just have it deliver to your local MTA, and tell that to deliver to cyrus
[06:45] <wliu> crumsun: ok, now it says open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.  cdrecord invalid argument.  cannot set SG_SET_TIMEOUT
[06:46] <redrum> which program should I use to play .mp3's?
[06:46] <Dreamer3> Skif: starting to sound complicated :)
[06:46] <Skif> Dreamer3: the cyrus packages have all sorts of "insert this into your {postfix,sendmail,whatever} conf file" snippets
[06:46] <eskilo> crimsun:  dsa, el gamal
[06:46] <Dreamer3> Skif: i'm looking at the FAQ now
[06:46] <crimsun> eskilo: option (1)?
[06:46] <Skif> dreamer: well, running a real IMAP server isn't trivial :)
[06:46] <eskilo> it didn't offer the aes256..you have to add it as a command line option or something.
[06:46] <eskilo> yeah i think 1
[06:47] <redrum> how do I get those little graphs in the taskbar with cpu load, etc?
[06:47] <Dreamer3> Skif: i don't want a real imap server, justa message store where my inbox goes... hence imap and getmail :)
[06:47] <wliu> crimsun: any reason why nautilus isn't doing this for me?
[06:47] <eskilo> redrum:  right click on the bar and add an apple.
[06:47] <Skif> dreamer: um, if you're just delivering locally, then why bother with imap at all?
[06:47] <eskilo> applet.
[06:47] <eskilo> imap is so rad
[06:47] <Dreamer3> Skif: because i need to be able to get to this mail from any computer on the network
[06:47] <regeya> redrum, are you asking because you're unable to play mp3s under rhythmbox, or because you don't like rhythmbox, or what :-)  because the answer to the first is in the ubuntu wiki...someone post a link...
[06:47] <redrum> regeya: thx
[06:48] <Skif> Dreamer3: *shrug* cyrus is really pretty easy to get running, but ymmv
[06:48] <crimsun> wliu: not offhand; I've always used cdrecord directly.
[06:48] <Dreamer3> Skif: i like the ability to jump computers and mail clients on a whim
[06:48] <crimsun> wliu: have you checked bugzilla?
[06:48] <wliu> crimsun: nope
[06:48] <Dreamer3> Skif: i have no doubt i could get it running in 5 minutes, it's just getting getmail/fetch mail to work with it (no local is really needed)
[06:48] <Skif> Dreamer3: me too, that's why I put it all on IMAP.
[06:49] <da_bon_bon> does arrar4 have a graphical install ?
[06:50] <thundrcleeze> Can someone point me to some directions as to how to install cedega from source?
[06:50] <billytwowilly> hmm. why is bchunk outputting .ugh files instead of .iso?
[06:50] <crimsun> thundrcleeze: #cedega
[06:50] <regeya> anything is on-topic unless it involves cedega
[06:50] <thundrcleeze> Thanks.
[06:51] <nuuB> is there a more approriate place than this chat room for a novice such as myself to get some help?
[06:51] <Dreamer3> hmmm
[06:51] <Dreamer3> Skif: how do you deliver mail to cyrus? smtp?
[06:52] <Skif> dreamer: LMTP, actually
[06:52] <Skif> There ought to be a command-line lmtp injector somewhere for cyrus
[06:53] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmm
[06:54] <slave> HEllo all !
[06:54] <Dreamer3> printing and mtas are two things on linux i've never gotten to
[06:54] <Dreamer3> but printing is high on list
[06:55] <wliu> crimsun: do you think if i installed xcdroast it would do it right?
[06:56] <slave> I try to start nfs server "sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart" but command doesn't exist, please help ?
[06:56] <crimsun> wliu: no idea, like I said, I use cdrecord directly.
[06:58] <eskilo> which is the "most secure", sha1 sha256 md5 ripemd160 ??
[06:58] <billytwowilly> hmm. in the .cue there are three tracks and bchunk is making 3 isos out of it.
[06:58] <crimsun> eskilo: not really a good question.
[06:58] <billytwowilly> how do I get this to make the .bin .cue into one iso?
[06:58] <Tomcat_> md5 is quite unsecure though I think.
[06:59] <Skif> eskilo: what do you mean by "most secure"?
[06:59] <Tomcat_> *insecure
[06:59] <crimsun> eskilo: sha256 is passably stronger than sha1
[06:59] <crimsun> Tomcat_: I wouldn't call it insecure at all.
[06:59] <eskilo> most secure seems extremely straightforward to me..
[06:59] <eskilo> for a given key size, which one is hardest to crack..
[07:00] <Tomcat_> Well the chance that you can force a collision is much higher in MD5...
[07:00] <Tomcat_> Of course they're all more or less on the same security level.
[07:00] <crimsun> Tomcat_: higher than...?
[07:00] <Tomcat_> crimsun: Much higher than before they were able to do it :)
[07:01] <eskilo> why do people make things like md5 if sha1 is better?
[07:01] <crimsun> eskilo: increased bits doesn't necessarily indicate stronger security. At all.
[07:01] <Skif> SHA-1 has a slightly lower collision rate than MD5, IIRC
[07:01] <eskilo> for a given algorithm it does
[07:01] <Skif> eskilo: 'coz md5 is about 5 times faster
[07:01] <Skif> and sometimes you don't mind
[07:02] <eskilo> i guess i should ask, which algorithm has the best ratio of check time vs. crack time..
[07:02] <crimsun> eskilo: step back for a second and consider the fact that security is invasive. If someone truly wants it, there's nothing stopping him/her from obtaining it.
[07:02] <eskilo> that's silly
[07:02] <Skif> eskilo: computer security is all about how hard you want them to work for it
[07:02] <eskilo> you can encrypt things such that all the compuers on earth couldn't crack them in a million years.
[07:02] <rempresent> i need to convert a .mov to an .avi, what can i use to do that?
[07:02] <crimsun> eskilo: that is our _hope_, not reality.
[07:02] <eskilo> that's a reality.
[07:03] <crimsun> ok, I can tell this is going to be pointless.
[07:03] <Skif> eskilo: even if you could, it's still crackable.  It's all about tradeoffs-- time vs. space vs. recoverability
[07:03] <eskilo> you can encrypt things such that even if every atom in the universe was trying to crack them at the rate of atomic vibrations, it would take billions ofy ears.
[07:03] <wliu> crimsun: heh, cdrecord doesn't support DVD burning it says.
[07:03] <crimsun> wliu: you need -pro or whatever
[07:03] <Skif> eskilo: I'd ask how, but I'm afraid you will tell me.  The fact is, we're not there yet.
[07:03] <eskilo> is anyone here using off-the-record encryption on your im?
[07:04] <crimsun> wliu: or whatever the dvdrtools equiv is
[07:04] <redrum> crimsun: no sound still, but sometimes when i click things in the gui, i hear a slight 'click' in the speakers.
[07:05] <eskilo> Skif:  make a key such that 10^the_number_of_digits_in_that_key is greater than the number of atomic vibrations that would occur in the universe in a few billion years.
[07:05] <eskilo> easy as pie.
[07:05] <crimsun> the only algorithm that is "uncrackable" is the one-time pad. And if you ever reuse it, poof, there goes your "uncrackability."
[07:05] <crimsun> eskilo: and what happens in a (few billion years)+1?
[07:06] <eskilo> the nsa comes for you.
[07:06] <zenwhen> I cant figure it out
[07:06] <rempresent> anyone know how i can turn a .mov to a .avi?
[07:06] <zenwhen> apt wants to remove every single x based app
[07:06] <crimsun> rempresent: use mencoder
[07:06] <zenwhen> in order to upgrade to hoary
[07:06] <Dreamer3> crimsun: that's someone elses problem :)
[07:06] <rempresent> mencoder... thanks
[07:06] <zenwhen> and its not installing gnome back
[07:06] <wliu> crimsun: dvd+rw-tools is in synaptic.  do you think this'll do it?
[07:07] <zenwhen> I suppose I cant upgrade to hoary for some reason.
[07:07] <crimsun> Dreamer3: encryption is not the end-all solution, as bruce schneier finally paraphrased.
[07:08] <linuxn00b> I can't boot into ubuntu after running "reiserfsck --rebuild-tree -S /dev/hda1" in knoppix :s
[07:08] <crimsun> wliu: iirc, that only blanks but doesn't actually record
[07:08] <zenwhen> is hoarys gnome made up of a lot less packages or something?
[07:08] <bubbanga> is there a program that will play asf and asx streaming video from websites?
[07:08] <Dreamer3> hmmm, i still like xfce, but kinda feels good to be back in gnome
[07:09] <crimsun> bubbanga: mplayer. Try the mozilla plugin for mplayer.
[07:09] <crimsun> zenwhen: more.
[07:09] <bubbanga> i have
[07:09] <crimsun> zenwhen: and it'll remove XFree86 to install X.Org as necessary.
[07:09] <zenwhen> Wow
[07:09] <zenwhen> Well
[07:09] <bubbanga> but
[07:09] <zenwhen> I can;t upgrade then
[07:10] <Dreamer3> are there ubuntu US mirros?
[07:10] <bubbanga> when i click on the link it trys to either open with specified program
[07:10] <crimsun> zenwhen: ...because?
[07:10] <bubbanga> or save
[07:10] <guest> apt-get install acroread-plugin does not work (I have uncommented warty universe). What could be wrong?
[07:10] <zenwhen> because it wants to remove gnome, and al of my apps and not just upgrade them.
[07:10] <bubbanga> not using the plugin for some reason
[07:10] <bubbanga> all other media plays fine with the mplayer plugin
[07:10] <crimsun> zenwhen: aren't you using dist-upgrade?
[07:10] <zenwhen> is smart upgrade in synaptic the same thing?
[07:10] <crimsun> bubbanga: have you consulted the documentation for the plugin?
[07:10] <Dreamer3> found them
[07:10] <crimsun> zenwhen: yes
[07:11] <zenwhen> well then as I said
[07:11] <bubbanga> umm yeah
[07:11] <zenwhen> It wants to remove gnome.
[07:11] <zenwhen> And nearly every app.
[07:12] <crimsun> zenwhen: you uninstalled all backports, etc., first, correct?
[07:12] <zenwhen> yes, it wants to remove every single x based applicatoion on my machine.
[07:12] <crimsun> zenwhen: and you _only_ have hoary deb lines, correct?
[07:12] <crimsun> (and of course updated)
[07:12] <zenwhen> you mean one backport can stop gnome from being able to be installed?
[07:12] <regeya> huh?
[07:12] <crimsun> depending on how poorly it's versioned, it's possible.
[07:12] <zenwhen> oh
[07:13] <zenwhen> well then I cant test :(
[07:14] <crimsun> why not?
[07:14] <zenwhen> I cant be bothered to format yet, and wont dig through every single package
[07:14] <crimsun> guest: it's not in universe; it's in multiverse.
[07:14] <zenwhen> looking for some tiny versioning error
[07:14] <crimsun> zenwhen: it should be fairly simple to remember which backports you've installed.
[07:14] <crimsun> when in doubt, pencil+paper.
[07:15] <zenwhen> I wish it could just fix it
[07:15] <crimsun> guest: look at ,,apt-cache policy acroread-plugin''
[07:15] <zenwhen> I installed a lot of backports.
[07:15] <crimsun> now you understand why ubuntu devels recommend strongly against them.
[07:15] <zenwhen> I also installed debs from debian. I figured an upgrade might work but I guess I have to reinstall.
[07:16] <zenwhen> well I strongly want newer software than was being offered.
[07:16] <zenwhen> I am not aksing anyone to fix it.
[07:16] <zenwhen> But thanks for the info.
[07:16] <zenwhen> asking*
[07:17] <crimsun> regeya: no need to reinstall. Just uninstall the backports and dist-upgrade to hoary.
[07:17] <redrum> anyone know how to install seti@home?
[07:17] <regeya> I see.  So, then, all those packages that were installed when I brazenly added ubuntu-bp to my sources-list and dist-upgraded will be easy to track down, eh? ;-)
[07:17] <nuuB> is there a more approriate place than this chat room for a novice such as myself to get some help?
[07:18] <regeya> no lectures, please; I knew I was causing a mess
[07:18] <regeya> it was either install things on my own or run Debian Unstable.
[07:18] <crimsun> regeya: yes, they are fairly easy to track down given the use of apt-cache and a web browser.
[07:18] <regeya> web browser...
[07:18] <regeya> ...
[07:18] <zenwhen> wow, I was excited about using hoary too
[07:18] <zenwhen> :(
[07:19] <zenwhen> ths sucks
[07:19] <crimsun> the other alternative was to ask ubuntu members who are familiar with correct versioning to build _proper_ backports.
[07:19] <redrum> how do i do an apt-cache search? say I wanted to search for 'seti', what would i put in  'apt-cache search <here>'?
[07:19] <zenwhen> well one of this solves the current issue we are facing. You are baiscally telling us "I told you so."
[07:19] <crimsun> redrum: put what you want to search for.
[07:19] <FLeiXiuS`> zenwhen: it's going to remove gnome due to the upgrade to xorg,  It's simply has to reinstall the neccessary credentials in order to procede to a safe install.
[07:20] <wliu> crimsun: yey, installing dvd+rw-tools made nautilus happy.  thanks for all your help.
[07:20] <zenwhen> FLeiXiuS`, and every app I use?
[07:20] <redrum> crimsun: why does so much unrelated stuff come back?
[07:20] <crimsun> zenwhen: no, I gave you a pointer. Use apt-cache and your favourite web browser to deduce which packages to uninstall.
[07:20] <FLeiXiuS`> zenwhen: that is correct
[07:20] <regeya> zenwhen: one of the only things I don't like about dealing with certain people is the condescending attitude.  I guess we were supposed to be *happy* with a few broken proggys until the next release. :-P
[07:20] <FLeiXiuS`> zenwhen: How are you going about upgrading to hoary, out of curiosity
[07:21] <zenwhen> With the array 4 instal cd
[07:21] <zenwhen> install*
[07:21] <crimsun> I obviously can't tell you precisely _which_ packages to uninstall, because I have no idea which you installed.
[07:21] <nuuB> will someone please answer me, i'm just a novice trying to learn and if noone in here wants to help then at least point me to someplace that will
[07:21] <FLeiXiuS`> zenwhen: Oh well it was always much easier to just change the warty's in /etc/apt/sources.list to hoary :-P.  Then let apt do the upgrades for you
[07:22] <crimsun> nuuB: have you established that you can resolve hostnames?
[07:22] <zenwhen> FLeiXiuS`,  dont have the option
[07:22] <crimsun> nuuB: does ,,ip a'' show your modem interface has a real ip?
[07:22] <zenwhen> I am on dialup
[07:22] <eskilo> how long should it take to generate keys with 4096 bits?
[07:22] <eskilo> like ten minutes?
[07:22] <crimsun> eskilo: took 10 minutes on a P4 2.4
[07:22] <eskilo> i'm on 900mhz.
[07:22] <eskilo> hah!  you did 4096 you nut. :)
[07:23] <wliu> does anyone know if VMware running windows will recognize my hardware if my hardware isn't recognized on linux?
[07:23] <crimsun> eskilo: I have 8192 ones, too.
[07:23] <crimsun> I like draining my entropy pools.
[07:23] <nuuB> i will check
[07:23] <zenwhen> i just dotn understand why having a backport installed would cause apt to not want to install gnome.
[07:23] <zenwhen> It just so annoying.
[07:23] <zenwhen> don't*
[07:24] <nuuB> "dev argument is required"
[07:24] <crimsun> zenwhen: it's _possible_ that it's the cause. It's not _definitely_ the cause.
[07:24] <eskilo> the nice thing is that the ratio of cpu power needed to crack/encode increases exponentially with increasing computing power.
[07:24] <zenwhen> Its everything to do with X.
[07:24] <zenwhen> Not just gnome.
[07:24] <zenwhen> kde apps are being removed too.
[07:25] <crimsun> zenwhen: what is your estimation of pure ubuntu packages on your machine?
[07:25] <zenwhen> but some gnome apps are bign upgraded. Oh well. This is too much of a mess.
[07:25] <zenwhen> being*
[07:25] <crimsun> and are you pinning?
[07:25] <zenwhen> crimsun, I installed a few backports. Mainly internet related stuff like Firefox and the like. Gaim, Chat...
[07:25] <zenwhen> Xchat...
[07:26] <zenwhen> But some more too
[07:26] <zenwhen> random stuff
[07:26] <zenwhen> Gxine
[07:26] <zenwhen> It really is too much to undo but thanks for your help.
[07:26] <crimsun> I testify that it is 100% possible to maintain a smooth sid+experimental+hoary system, updated and dist-upgraded daily, with the use of pinning.
[07:26] <zenwhen> Ill just wait for the final release and format.
[07:27] <HrdwrBoB> crimsun: but for a 'normal' user
[07:27] <HrdwrBoB> it's not a very good idea
[07:28] <wliu> does anyone know how i can mount my ntfs partition as read/write?  i changed the 'ro' to 'rw' in fstab and remounted by i still can't modify anything in that partition
[07:28] <crimsun> HrdwrBoB: god no, it's horrific, and I recommend strongly against it.
[07:28] <nuuB> crimsun: i typed "ip a ''" but it wanted more info - it said dev argument is required
[07:29] <crimsun> nuuB: no, just: ip a
[07:29] <jdub> wliu: rw is not supported, because with the current drivers, you will wreck your partition
[07:29] <jdub> wliu: you may want to try the 'ntfs captive' stuff
[07:30] <bitfoo> i was just debating if i should sell my lappy and get a powerbook but they are way too expensive :|
[07:31] <nuuB> crimson: ok, i ran it, what info am i looking for?
[07:31] <crimsun> nuuB: ppp0?
[07:34] <nuuB> crimsun: it has 3 entries, lo, eth0, and sit0
[07:36] <crimsun> lunitik: in hoary?
[07:36] <lunitik> crimsun: yeah
[07:36] <crimsun> lunitik: lamont removed that silly xmms dependency in mplayer-nogui iirc.
[07:36] <crimsun> nuuB: your modem sits behind eth0?
[07:39] <nuuB> yes
[07:39] <LucidVisions> Hello all, Hey, so is it ok to install the normal wine and crossover office also?
[07:39] <crimsun> nuuB: does it have a globally-unique ip address?
[07:39] <LucidVisions> will it cause problems if i install both?
[07:40] <crimsun> LucidVisions: it's ok. Install them in separate locations.
[07:40] <LucidVisions> crimsun: very cool,
[07:41] <LucidVisions> I was worried that they might confilct, so ill go ahead then..
[07:41] <zenwhen> jdong can shove his stupid backports up his ass
[07:41] <nuuB> crimsun: i do not understand what you mean by "globally unique ip address" - it is a us robotics external serial modem and i have dialup
[07:42] <Hegge`> how can i set up my network in ubuntu
[07:42] <Hegge`> ??
[07:42] <crimsun> nuuB: it means an ip address.
[07:42] <KlaasVaag> Hegge`, what part of it?
[07:42] <nuuB> i assigned the ubuntu machine with 192.168.1.20
[07:42] <Hegge`> i out in a new card
[07:43] <Hegge`> how can i configure it
[07:43] <Hegge`> whats ubuntus dhcp client?
[07:43] <KlaasVaag> configure it in /etc/network/interfaces
[07:43] <Hegge`> it has been configured right
[07:43] <Hegge`> i just can get out on the net
[07:43] <Hegge`> but i can use it in gentoo
[07:43] <Hegge`> :P
[07:44] <Hegge`> on my other computer..
[07:44] <KlaasVaag> Hegge`, i have no idea what your problem is.. could you say it again?
[07:44] <Hegge`> i cant get the network up an running
[07:44] <KlaasVaag> you need to configure your networkcard which is already configured correctly?
[07:45] <Hegge`> its configured correctly
[07:45] <Hegge`> but i wonder if there are any know problems around this area?
[07:45] <KlaasVaag> Hegge`, not that i know of
[07:45] <Hegge`> okay
[07:45] <Hegge`> what is ubuntus dhcp client
[07:45] <Hegge`> ?
[07:45] <zenwhen> ubuntu-desktop:
[07:45] <zenwhen>  Depends: synaptic but it is not going to be installed
[07:45] <zenwhen>  Depends: update-notifier but it is not going to be installed
[07:45] <crimsun> Hegge`: standard isc dhclient v3
[07:45] <zenwhen> why arent those on the cd?
[07:45] <KlaasVaag> dhclient i believe
[07:46] <Hegge`> ok
[07:47] <Hegge`> ty :D
[07:47] <Hegge`> got it now
[07:47] <KlaasVaag> :)
[07:47] <Hegge`> didnt wanna reboot
[07:47] <Hegge`> its a 100mhz
[07:47] <Hegge`> whit edu ram
[07:47] <nuuB> crimsun: i assigned the ubuntu machine with 192.168.1.20
[07:48] <Hegge`> KlaasVaag : do u have any idea how i can get rid of evry thing that has whit gnome and xfree to do? , im installing xorg
[07:49] <Hegge`> anyways .. brb
[07:49] <Dreamer3> what is everyone using instea dof procmail these days?
[07:49] <Dreamer3> i just need something quick and dirty that can take mail from getmail and hand it off to cyrus via lmtp
[07:50] <Dreamer3> ah, maildrop
[07:51] <Dreamer3> well, maildrop doesn't do lmtp :)
[07:52] <crimsun> nuuB: can you successfully ping a hostname like www.yahoo.com ?
[07:52] <bluefoxicy> is it possible and sane to upgrade from woody to warty?
[07:52] <lunitik> bluefoxicy: yes
[07:53] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: former: yes. latter: questionable, but yes.
[07:53] <bluefoxicy> what about sarge
[07:53] <lunitik> add 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe multiverse' to your sources.list, and 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-base'
[07:54] <smo> As always, it's wiki'd .. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyUpgradeNotes
[07:54] <bluefoxicy> this guy apparently added some stuff from sarge
[07:54] <bitfoo> sarge!?
[07:54] <bluefoxicy> which broke his woody
[07:54] <KlaasVaag> bluefoxicy, if you like receiving a lot of upgrades every day.. yes ;)
[07:54] <bitfoo> i thought i broke my woody once :(
[07:54] <crimsun> sarge will probably be newer than warty for many packages
[07:54] <bluefoxicy> KlaasVaag:  no, I meant to warty from woody plus whatever came with sarge's firefox
[07:54] <lunitik> KlaasVaag: warty gets very few upgrades... its stable  :/
[07:54] <nuuB> crimsun: i must disconnect from here to try it
[07:54] <lunitik> stable + frozen
[07:55] <bitfoo> i tried archlinux today
[07:55] <bitfoo> but it was really really hard :|
[07:55] <lunitik> bitfoo: good job?
[07:55] <KlaasVaag> bluefoxicy, you are right.. i misread.. i considered this an upgrade from warty -> hoary
[07:55] <bitfoo> ubuntu is the nice ;D
[07:55] <KlaasVaag> its 8 am, and i didnt sleep yet
[07:55] <lunitik> bluefoxicy: do what I said and come back if you have issues  :)
[07:56] <zenwhen> crimsun,
[07:56] <inc_> sup room
[07:56] <crimsun> zenwhen: yes?
 Bsically other than DRASTIC sweeping changes.
[07:56] <zenwhen> I found the issue. Ubuntu-desktop cant be installed because of the synaptic backport and the synaptic backport cant be remnoved without everything else in the world.
 seeing as it's broken, you could just keep both pieces
[07:56] <bluefoxicy> :)
[07:57] <zenwhen> is there a way to revert it
[07:57] <zenwhen> :(
[07:57] <crimsun> zenwhen: should force a downgrade then with --force-depends
[07:57] <inc_> crimsun, thanks again for getting my sound working
[07:57] <crimsun> inc_: np at all.
[07:57] <zenwhen> crimsun, I am sorry. I don't understand.
[07:58] <inc_> i can play cds no prob, but i think gstreamer doesn't like my sound card or something cuase i can't play mp3s
[07:58] <zenwhen> I should use --force-depends as a part of what command?
[07:58] <lunitik> crimsun: why not --force-downgrade?
[07:58] <lunitik> zenwhen: dpkg -i
[07:58] <zenwhen> on what
[07:59] <crimsun> zenwhen: sudo aptitude install synaptic=0.53.4-1ubuntu4
[07:59] <zenwhen> am I supposed to be installing another synaptic?
[07:59] <crimsun> zenwhen: make sure that you have a warty/main line
[07:59] <zenwhen> thank you crimsun
[07:59] <KlaasVaag> inc_, ifaik ubuntu does not support mp3 by default..
[08:00] <zenwhen> if this allows me to upgrade I may kiss you
[08:00] <crimsun> lunitik: depends on how broken his dependencies are.
[08:00] <bluefoxicy> haha
[08:00] <bluefoxicy> I'm the king of making up crap as i go along.
[08:00] <crimsun> inc_: please see /wiki/RestrictedFormats for 'gstreamer0.8-mad'
[08:00] <KlaasVaag> inc_, im quite sure this is explained in the wiki
[08:00] <inc_> yeah i installed the gstreammer 8 mad
 Apt was only designed to go forwards, not backwards.  It's therefore exceedingly difficult and usually unpleasant to go backwards, also potentially destructive, kind of like vomiting.
 the debian developers are quite taken to releasing a stable release once it's stable, i.e. once they've spent 10 months testing every piece of software and fixing anything that breaks.  If something breaks later, they find the fix in the new version and move it back to the old version to avoid breaking anything else
 hence, they never really saw a need to actually go back to an older version of anything
[08:00] <nuuBE> crimsun: i pinged www.yahoo.com and one of my isp's name servers by ip - the yahoo attempt returned nothing, and the name server attempt made and effort and said "host unreachable"
[08:01] <crimsun> nuuBE: doesn't appear that networking was configured properly then.
[08:01] <gobeavs> If I am running KDE and switched the appropriate settings to use it (sound: OSS --> arts) if I go back to GNOME will it have my previous settings or my KDE settings?
[08:02] <inc_> i have the gstreamer properties open but none of the options work in test
[08:02] <crimsun> inc_: is esd running? pgrep esd
[08:02] <lunitik> gobeavs: depends... did gstreamer-properties take the change?
[08:03] <redrum> i just upgraded to 'hoary'.  when i go to open up the 'music player' i get an error message - '...Couldn't initialize scheduler...'
[08:03] <gobeavs> yes
[08:03] <inc_> guess not.. not respons when i run that
[08:03] <zenwhen> crimsun, I understand why the backports annoy you guys so much now
[08:03] <zenwhen> >:(
[08:03] <redrum> same with totem...
[08:03] <gobeavs> lunitik: but I assume it would be easy to switch back?
[08:03] <redrum> err diff error but doesn't open
[08:03] <lunitik> gobeavs: umm... yeah... you just choose something different...
[08:04] <gobeavs> lun: ok :D
[08:04] <crimsun> redrum: please check if the test functions in gstreamer-properties work
[08:04] <thu> just curious.. do Debian unstable packages Just Work on Ubuntu?
[08:04] <gobeavs> also, would it be worth it to upgrade to hoary? How unstable is it?
[08:04] <crimsun> thu: sometimes. highly unrecommended.
[08:04] <bitfoo> i havent had it crash yet :/
[08:05] <redrum> crimsun: clicking 'test' crashes the program
[08:05] <inc_> bitfoo: 5...4..3.. lol
[08:06] <KlaasVaag> i've had several..
[08:06] <lunitik> gobeavs: fairly stable... only had 2 major issues since I switched... and I've been using since it started getting work...
[08:06] <KlaasVaag> al very reproducible..
[08:06] <bluefoxicy> tcpdump, netstat, finger, dpkg, apt, they all work and look the same in woody as in ubuntu warty and in sarge, right?
[08:06] <gobeavs> lunitik: ok...thanks
[08:07] <KlaasVaag> when i try to unmount an automatically mounted usbdevice it freezes
[08:07] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: nearly.
[08:07] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: for the most part, they're "close enough" if indistinguishable. Now Hoary is another story altogether...
 for a COURSE whre i'm being MARKED
 so if the output from a woody program is different from a sarge program
 i will lose marks
[08:07] <KlaasVaag> maybe anyone has an idea how this can be prevented?
[08:08] <lunitik> KlaasVaag: other than "don't unmount it"?  :P
[08:08] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  just in dpkg right
[08:08] <KlaasVaag> lunitik, i was jast going to say that :)
[08:08] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  with the signature checking?
[08:08] <KlaasVaag> s\jast\just
[08:09] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: among others, but they're implementation-specific. The respective changelogs will be helpful.
[08:09] <inc_> so how does one get esd to work ?
[08:09] <crimsun> inc_: are source and sink both set to esd*?
[08:11] <inc_> yeah but i get an erro
[08:11] <gobeavs> I could just be dumb...but does ubuntulinux.org not have a hoary download?
[08:11] <KlaasVaag> probably the first :P
[08:11] <inc_> if i set it to oss i get  OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program
[08:11] <gobeavs> :-O! :D
[08:12] <KlaasVaag> http://www.google.nl/search?q=hoary+download+site%3Aubuntulinux.org&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[08:12] <KlaasVaag> owh.. that was for you, gobeavs  :)
[08:13] <gobeavs> ah, thank you KlaasVaag :D
[08:14] <crimsun> inc_: lsof /dev/dsp*
[08:14] <KlaasVaag> what a help google can be :)
[08:15] <nuuBE> crimsun: i just tried to find networking docs on the ubuntu website but only found a pointer to "Computer->System Configuration->Networking" - where can i find docs to help me get networking configured properly?
[08:16] <crimsun> nuuBE: tried wvdial directly?
[08:18] <crimsun> nuuBE: have you read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupModemHowto ?
[08:19] <crimsun> apologies, but work calls again.
[08:20] <nuuBE> crimsun: yes, i followed the dialup modem howto tutorial to get the modem to work - it connects with pon and disconnects with poff successfully
[08:21] <nuuBE> crimsun: i have not tried wvdial (unless that is used in the pon) - i will need to look that up
[08:21] <inc_> crimsun: http://minimzx.com/lsof.txt
[08:24] <eskilo> why can't enigmail encrypt html messages?  that's ridiculous.
[08:25] <redrum> crimsun: now when i run gstreamer-properties and click 'test', i get an error - 'Failed to construct test pipeline for...'
[08:26] <inc_> same here redrum
[08:26] <redrum> hmm. no sound, no video
[08:26] <inc_> i got video and sound work from cds but not mp3s
[08:27] <eskilo> you still use mp3?
[08:27] <lunitik> inc_: enable universe and 'sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad'
[08:28] <inc_> already done that
[08:28] <lunitik> inc_: kick it harder?
[08:28] <redrum> same here

[08:28] <inc_> lol
[08:29] <inc_> eskilo: too many mp3 to convert lol
[08:31] <zenwhen> oh no
[08:31] <zenwhen> my upgrade froze
[08:31] <zenwhen> /etc/X11/XF86Config
[08:31] <zenwhen> danging
[08:31] <zenwhen> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:31] <zenwhen>  /cdrom//pool/main/g/gimp/gimp-data_2.2.2-1ubuntu1_all.deb
[08:31] <zenwhen> Failed to apply all changes! Scroll in this buffer to see what went wrong
[08:31] <kakalto> how can I replace a system icon with a custom one?
[08:32] <meuwe> everybody, i was install kdevelop with synaptics, it was done but, i have a trouble with it, kdevelop can't runing.. :(
[08:32] <zenwhen> is my system screwed now?
[08:32] <thu> (Y)es, (S)ure, (B)etcha
[08:32] <inc_> rm -rf / lol
[08:32] <zenwhen> haha
[08:32] <zenwhen> are you two comedians?
[08:33] <zenwhen> its seems as though you might be
[08:33] <inc_> :( no
[08:33] <zenwhen> because you are so darn funny
[08:33] <meuwe> any body help me..??
[08:34] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, reinstall it?
[08:34] <inc_> what did it say when u scrolled in the buffer?
[08:34] <KlaasVaag> probably wont work, but worth trying
[08:35] <inc_> kdevlop.. does that require kde?
[08:35] <KlaasVaag> probably at least some of the libraries..
[08:35] <kakalto> zenwhen, you're not screwed yet
[08:35] <kakalto> reboot, then you're screwed.
[08:36] <steve_> does anyone know how I can play .wma extension files in linux
[08:36] <zenwhen> I just restarted the upgrade process
[08:36] <zenwhen> lol
[08:36] <meuwe> KlassVaag, i was reinstall but it isn't work... :(
[08:36] <Dreamer3> cool
[08:36] <steve_> I thought the divx codec would work
[08:36] <Dreamer3> i think i can have getmail call cyrdeliver directly
[08:36] <kakalto> steve_, you apt-get w32codecs?
[08:36] <zenwhen> I will either be running hoary in the next hour or destroy my install
[08:36] <zenwhen> OR BOTH
[08:36] <zenwhen> :)
[08:36] <steve_> believe it or not, I have those
[08:36] <lunitik> kakalto: that only has mpg of any use...
[08:36] <steve_> I will reinstall I guess
[08:36] <kakalto> does anyone know how I can replace my rubbish bin icon?
[08:37] <kakalto> lunitik, ok.
[08:37] <kakalto> steve_, don't use wma.
[08:37] <lunitik> kakalto: installs 'essential', not 'all'... (which coincidentally what I have installed  :)
[08:37] <meuwe> KlassVaag, i must install kde ??
[08:37] <kakalto> convert it to mp3
[08:37] <steve_> why
[08:37] <kakalto> wma is crap
[08:37] <steve_> ok
[08:37] <redrum> i picked a couple different options in gstreamer-properties, and i got the tests to 'run' with 'OSS - Open Sound System' selected, but no sound came out
[08:37] <kakalto> :P
[08:37] <steve_> this is for video
[08:37] <kakalto> oh
[08:37] <steve_> from lets say ebaums world
[08:37] <kakalto> then use...
[08:37] <kakalto> something else :P
[08:37] <steve_> oka
[08:37] <steve_> okay
[08:38] <inc_> hmm.. make sure sound volume is up?
[08:38] <inc_> you got it working more then me
[08:38] <KlaasVaag> redrum, try alsa?
[08:38] <kakalto> steve_, I thought that video was wmv
[08:38] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, only if you want to use kde
[08:38] <redrum> KlaasVaag: what to do with it?
[08:38] <steve_> it is, but the play wont play them in linux
[08:38] <kakalto> you know, windows msomething video
[08:39] <lunitik> kakalto: m = media...
[08:39] <meuwe> KlassVaag, but i have kdevelop doesn't work.. :( what must i do ??
[08:39] <kakalto> that's the one
[08:39] <kakalto> it escaped me
[08:39] <KlaasVaag> meuwe, what version?? warty?
[08:39] <redrum> KlaasVaag: i tried to make sure all the volumes were turned up and nothing is muted in alsamixer
[08:39] <kakalto> steve_, sorry, I can't really help you, I'm fairly new to linux aswell
[08:39] <meuwe> KlassVaag, i use universe
[08:40] <kakalto> may I ask everyone the question again: Does anyone know how I can replace my rubbish bin icon?
[08:40] <meuwe> as a respitory
[08:40] <kakalto> *icons
[08:40] <KlaasVaag> redrum: scrolled all the way to the right as well?? my onboard soundcard has DSX channels, or something like that.. and with them muted it wont work either
[08:40] <Dreamer3> i think i can have getmail call cyrdeliver directly
[08:40] <KlaasVaag> kakalto, tried google/wiki?
[08:41] <kakalto> nope
[08:41] <KlaasVaag> kakalto, do it then :)
[08:41] <kakalto> I'm not sure how common it is, for people to want to change icons
[08:41] <kakalto> so I didn't before, but I will look.
[08:41] <KlaasVaag> lunitik, a lot.. afaik at least a lot more features
[08:41] <inc_> i changed mine but not just one
[08:42] <inc_> you place them in the .icons of your home dir
[08:42] <redrum> KlaasVaag: just checked that, nothing is turned off
[08:42] <KlaasVaag> redrum, thats odd..
[08:42] <redrum> KlaasVaag: i'm using SPDIF...
[08:44] <KlaasVaag> redrum, sorry, never heard of that..
[08:45] <coobra> is there any one here that is helping ubuntu building this ubuntu...if there is. you are doing a good job :)
[08:45] <pepsi__> can i get hoary isos?
[08:45] <KlaasVaag> pepsi__, check the website
[08:46] <pepsi__> yeah im looking
[08:46] <KlaasVaag> pepsi__: http://www.google.nl/search?q=hoary+download+site%3Aubuntulinux.org&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[08:47] <LucidVisions> dam folks, I cant believe how fast cross over office pro is, codeweavers has done a great job indeed
[08:48] <pepsi__> KlaasVaag, thx.. dunno why i didnt google it in the first place.. thought id be able to find it on ubuntu's site
[08:53] <KlaasVaag> you probably would have found it.. i like using google using the site:xxx.com option..
[08:53] <KlaasVaag> most of the time much faster the browsing
[08:54] <pepsi__> just add that as a search term?
[08:55] <Dreamer3> anyone familiar with readahead?
[08:55] <KlaasVaag> yep
[08:55] <Dreamer3> KlaasVaag: what do you know?
[08:55] <KlaasVaag> Dreamer3, no
[08:55] <KlaasVaag> :)
[08:55] <Dreamer3> i just hear about it
[08:55] <Dreamer3> noh
[08:55] <KlaasVaag> sorry.. was answering pepsi__
[08:56] <KlaasVaag> never heard of anything called readahead.. i _do_ know something about redhat, but that is not what you mean?
[08:57] <Dreamer3> nope, readahead... to read apps into the buffer before they are actually needed hence speeding up their launch times
[08:57] <KlaasVaag> sounds nice
[09:10] <mircosoft> hi
[09:16] <Dreamer3> mircosoft: what's this for?
[09:16] <mircosoft> what?
[09:17] <Dreamer3> the $$$?
[09:17] <mircosoft> for being evil
[09:17] <tulip> !
[09:17] <Dreamer3> i'm evil?
[09:17] <HaloGray> I really wish the audio issue in hoary would get worked out
[09:18] <mircosoft> no for I being evil
[09:18] <pepsi__> what audio issue?
[09:18] <HaloGray> I'm tired of typing killall esd every time some audio issue comes up
[09:18] <HaloGray> something about esd not giving up control of the audio device to anything else
[09:18] <HaloGray> so if something is set to use alsa or OSS, such as flash, mplayer, xmms, and various others they either crash or give out no sound
[09:19] <HaloGray> killall esd fixes the issue... but it's only a temporary fix and it's not a very good one
[09:20] <HaloGray> it wasn't this way in warty
[09:31] <psf> any ideas about automated making of mainmodules?
[09:37] <Zotnix> woo... finally got rhythmbox to play mp3s
[09:38] <meuwe> everybody, i was install apache2 but i can't find virtual host on the configuration... :(
[09:39] <meuwe> how i instal the module ??
[09:40] <jk> meuwe: you can create them in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
[09:40] <jk> the virtual hosts that is
[09:41] <meuwe> jk, ok thank's
[09:43] <meuwe> jk, i can't find file configuration on it.. :(
[09:43] <mike_douglas> any here ever done a PXE install?
[09:43] <jk> meuwe: you need to create it
[09:44] <meuwe> jk, /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
[09:44] <meuwe>  it's true ??
[09:45] <jk> you can call it whatever you like, i just create one virtualhost file per host
[09:45] <LinuxJones> mike_douglas, I read about it you need to setup a TFTP server or something
[09:47] <mircosoft> HaloGray: its a problem in esd
[09:47] <mircosoft> thats why JeffW is pro polyaudio
[09:47] <meuwe> jk, where i can find the documentation for it ??
[09:48] <mircosoft> meuwe: i sudjest you join #vhcs
[09:48] <bborkk> Anyone know why the Ubuntu wxPython package when using Python 2.4 is wxPython 2.4.2.4 instead of 2.5.3?
[09:50] <meuwe> mircosoft, ok thanks i join now... :D
[09:51] <Zotnix> Hmm. Slow night.
[09:51] <mircosoft> bborkk: goto the u-d mailing list
[09:52] <mircosoft> i saw a talk about this
[09:52] <bborkk> microsoft: what is u-d?
[09:52] <mircosoft> ubuntu-devel
[09:52] <bborkk> thanks.
[09:53] <will_cat> hello
[09:53] <will_cat> good morning
[09:53] <will_cat> somebody could tell me if de kernel-image-i686-2.6.10 works well?
[09:54] <bborkk> will_cat: So far it seems fine.
[09:54] <will_cat> ok
[09:54] <will_cat> and so, i update the file /boot/grub/menu.lst with this image
[09:54] <will_cat> and then just load it, and it recognize all my hardware?
[09:55] <LinuxJones> will_cat, it will edit the grub menu for you
[09:55] <will_cat> wow, that's great
[09:56] <will_cat> and if it doesn't work well?
[09:56] <LinuxJones> will_cat, did you install the restricted modules ?
[09:56] <will_cat> yes
[09:56] <LinuxJones> will_cat, you can hit ESC when your computer boots and says Loading Grub, select the kernel your running now
[09:57] <LinuxJones> will_cat, you'll need to install those as well
[09:57] <will_cat> ok
[09:58] <jk> meuwe: /usr/share/doc/apache2
[09:58] <mircosoft> LinuxJones: be careful when saying that
[09:59] <mircosoft> kernel 2.6.10-2 replaces 2.6.10
[09:59] <LinuxJones> mircosoft, saying what ?
[09:59] <meuwe> jk, ok thank's.. [sorry iam a newbie.. :( ] 
[09:59] <mircosoft> and also a small boot partion would mean the old image will get deleted
[10:00] <will_cat> somebody knows something about tulip ethernet cards?
[10:01] <mircosoft> yes
[10:01] <mircosoft> google does
[10:01] <goldfish_> lol
[10:02] <d3vic3> he
[10:02] <d3vic3> heh
[10:03] <martin> Is it not assumed that google has already been consulted ?
[10:03] <d3vic3> martin, in some cases, not
[10:03] <tulip> will_cat, me no
[10:05] <zenwhen> I am running hoary now.
[10:05] <zenwhen> :)
[10:05] <zenwhen> its pretty nice.
[10:07] <Slant> When I added Universe (hoary), a bunch of package updates come through. Is this normal? I don't want to be stuck with bugs from universe?
[10:08] <niterider> hello...quick question...is there webcam support in ubuntu?
[10:08] <spacey> niterider, sure, could depend on your webcam though
[10:08] <niterider> hmm...
[10:08] <altan> isn't it a bit retarded that a TGZ file I download and extract in my home directory has permissions on the extracted files that prevent me from deleting them?
[10:08] <spacey> niterider, if your webcam works in linux it will work in ubuntu
[10:09] <niterider> a labtec webcam, always showed in gnomemeeting as a logitech quickcam though
[10:10] <niterider> i was told webcam support isn't available in all distros anymore
[10:10] <spacey> niterider, i have no idea
[10:10] <spacey> never used a webcam myself =)
[10:10] <niterider> i know is a ,cousin of sorts to ubuntu, my webcam doesn't work anymore
[10:10] <spacey> altan, if you don't want the orginal permissions you can probably add some flag (man tar)
[10:11] <niterider> k....i like to use gnomemeeting
[10:11] <altan> hmm
[10:11] <niterider> so now i'm tryin to find a distro that will work
[10:12] <niterider> but i want to stay in the Deb family
[10:12] <altan> just as a general users' perspective though, my sister uses Ubuntu on her desktop and there's no way she could understand something from man
[10:13] <spacey> altan, if you want other permissions in the tarball then make it right
[10:13] <altan> spacey: a downloaded tarball of icons
[10:13] <spacey> when you make a tarball you can chose ifyou want to keep orginal perms or not
[10:14] <|QuaD-> we need to get sunbird packaged :)
[10:14] <FAST> so do waht do most ubuntu users prefer?   for email.... evolution or thunderbird
[10:14] <spacey> FAST, depends on what you need maybe.
[10:14] <FAST> just email
[10:14] <|QuaD-> FAST: i like thunderbird, most probably prefer evolution
[10:15] <spacey> i use thunderbird myself, but you need tasks and outlook stuff go evolution
[10:15] <website> have someone set framebuffer on hoary (framebuffer + xorg)?
[10:15] <FAST> i like thunderbird too.... maybe i should start since i used it in windows
[10:15] <niterider> vote for t-bird here too
[10:15] <spacey> FAST, wel install thunderbird then
[10:15] <spacey> if you like it its easy
[10:15] <spacey> do what you like =P
[10:15] <|QuaD-> i find evolution bloated
[10:16] <|QuaD-> but thunderbird lacks calendar, todo, etc
[10:16] <|QuaD-> and sunbird isn't in the repos yet
[10:16] <coreyh> anybody get a WPC54G card to work with warty?
[10:16] <altan> dpkg: error processing gnustep-netclasses (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 <---- I get this whenever I install something. It's left over from GNUStep (which has given errors on every OS I've downloaded it on) but I wish I could get rid of it
[10:17] <mircosoft> |QuaD-: i find evolution missing a lot of features
[10:17] <mjr> heh, "I find evolution bloated, but thunderbird lacks all this bloat I need" ;)
[10:17] <|QuaD-> mircosoft: what is it missing
[10:18] <mircosoft> evolution is bloated they need to copy gmail
[10:18] <|QuaD-> mjr: haha basically
[10:18] <altan> QuaD: you can get sunbird as a mozilla extension
[10:18] <|QuaD-> altan: not anymore
[10:18] <|QuaD-> doesn't support 1.0
[10:18] <mircosoft> |QuaD-: the alarm you can't edit them
[10:18] <altan> not anmore? heh
[10:18] <mircosoft> you need to delete them and readd
[10:18] <niterider> well, thanks spacey, 1 last thing though, i guess i never really noticed, when i tried it, someone asked me, when installed how much room does ubuntu take up, this person has a pretty small hd, want to see if ubuntu would fit
[10:19] <FAST> ok i installed thunderbird .... weeee
[10:19] <bborkk> microsoft: So, I took a look at the ubuntu-developer list, but still can't figure out what's up with Python 2.4 and wxPython 2.5.3.  Apt tells me I have the latest version of wxpython2.5.3, but neither python2.4 nor python2.3 use it.
[10:19] <altan> niterider: less than 5GB
[10:20] <niterider> would it go onto a 3 gig
[10:20] <altan> maybe, probably
[10:20] <niterider> k..cool...thanks
[10:20] <altan> don't quote me on that :)
[10:20] <niterider> lol...ok...i won't
[10:20] <niterider> bye 4 now
[10:22] <FAST> i guess there's no way to save a message from  evolution inbox and put in thunderbird inbox ?
[10:26] <LinuxJones> FAST, email it, then open with thunderbird
[10:26] <FAST> yeah i did already
[10:26] <FAST> then i realized i didnt even need to save it...
[10:26] <LinuxJones> heh
[10:28] <_joey_> is apt used on ubuntu?
[10:28] <bborkk> _joey_: yes.
[10:28] <_joey_> could you run apt-cache search . | wc -l
[10:28] <_joey_> and tell me the number
[10:28] <bborkk> _joey_: you can also use the synaptic frontend.
[10:29] <bborkk> _joey_: 15727
[10:29] <_joey_> are those packages prebuilt?
[10:29] <bborkk> _joey_: I believe so.
[10:29] <_joey_> and available or just cache showing them?
[10:29] <bborkk> _joey_: Don't really know.
[10:30] <_joey_> try to install all of them:)
[10:30] <bborkk> heh
[10:30] <_joey_> and get back to me with the answer
[10:30] <bborkk> hang on a sec
[10:30] <_joey_> :)
[10:31] <_joey_> and why did project decide to use niger's name 'ubuntu'?
[10:31] <_joey_> It heart my ears when I hear it
[10:31] <CrashOveride> *plonk
[10:32] <Agrajag> wow
[10:32] <troll_god> _joey_: why the hell would you want to install everything like that?
[10:32] <bborkk> _joey_: I don't think "Ubuntu" is restricted to use only in Niger.
[10:32] <mircosoft> _joey_: are you smat?
[10:33] <troll_god> bborkk: Joey is causing problems in the gentoo room as well.
[10:33] <_joey_> I don't want to install all packages
[10:33] <bborkk> troll_god: word.
[10:33] <_joey_> and troll_god is a troll
[10:34] <melazyboy> please ban _joey_ he is causing problems.
[10:34] <_joey_> melazyboy how would you know?
[10:34] <_joey_> you only7 joined the channel
[10:34] <_joey_> :))
[10:34] <troll_god> troll_god is melazyboy's other nick, one is centericq, one is irssi.
[10:34] <_joey_> besides I am not causing problems here
[10:34] <_joey_> troll_god go away
[10:35] <troll_god> yes you are you have been here for 5min and you already made this statement:
[10:35] <toresbe> Whooooo
[10:35] <toresbe> WRT45G in da hooooouse :P
[10:35] <troll_god> _joey_> and why did project decide to use niger's name 'ubuntu'?
[10:35] <bborkk> Anyway, does anyone have Python 2.4 correctly using wxPython2.5.3 on Hoary?  I took a look at the ubuntu-developer list, but dig anything up.
[10:35] <troll_god> Which the answer is on the fucking wiki if you would just read.
[10:35] <daniels> troll_god: watch the language, dude
[10:35] <toresbe> whooooo...ps, wrong window
[10:35] <troll_god> k
[10:37] <|QuaD-> daniels: what are the odds of us getting a sunbird package sometime soon?
[10:37] <Adler> How about a three way boot? XP / SuSE / Ubuntu?
[10:40] <Adler> Still looking to run XP / SuSE and add UBUNTU
[10:41] <bborkk> Anyone use matplotlib?
[10:41] <pippin> Adler: should be no problem at all
[10:42] <Adler> pipin -- let me know what should be done
[10:44] <pippin> Adler: you could even let them live in completely different partitions, and use the default masterboot record to boot the active partition (using fdisk to choose between them),. after having that working, figure out how to use grub/lilo on one of the linux partitions to boot the two other systems as well
[10:44] <daniels> |QuaD-: don't know, sorry
[10:44] <Adler> pippen -- So?
[10:45] <pippin> Adler: I'm sorry, but I don't have time for a more throughout explaination right now
[10:45] <onkarshinde> Is there any set date for next Ubuntu release?
[10:46] <onkarshinde> I recently installed Ubuntu on my home machine and lied it very much. It provides just enough packages for a desktop machine. Thanks developers.
[10:47] <Agrajag> onkarshinde: as far as I know, it's not set in stone yet but the next release should be around April or May
[10:48] <Adler> pippin -- hit me with a pim under Adler on the Forum.
[10:49] <pippin> Adler: google about,. then I might decide to google for the forum,.. now,. prepare class
[10:50] <Adler> Pippin -- I've Googled my brains out -- I'm a master on another Forum
[10:53] <bborkk> In cases where Python packages haven't been updated to use Python 2.4, is it generally okay to force an install even though apt complains that dependencies are broken because the package requires Python < 2.4?
[10:58] <Stew2> bborkk Hmm. I don't know the answer to your question.
[10:58] <bborkk> Stew2: Have you had this problem?
[10:58] <meuwe> somebody know what it's Beeemm's ???
[10:58] <mircosoft> meuwe: #vhcs
[10:59] <mircosoft> meuwe: the one from the site
[10:59] <mircosoft> you pasted it in the channel
[11:00] <meuwe> mircosoft, i can't find it in the #vhcs .. :(
[11:00] <mircosoft> melazyboy: the site the deb
[11:00] <mircosoft> click that link
[11:00] <mircosoft> it goes to a thread
[11:00] <mircosoft> get the rep out of that link
[11:01] <bborkk> Is there any discussion about making customized/optimized Ubuntu releases, say one for the graphics community, one for the numerical modeling community, etc?
[11:02] <mircosoft> yes
[11:02] <mircosoft> not for hoary
[11:08] <troll_god> how do you flush the buffer from irssi to a file?
[11:11] <Stew2> troll_god Wish I knew.
[11:11] <Stew2> troll_god I joined another channel then asked the person helping my sorry hoary self out
[11:11] <Stew2> another=an empty
[11:11] <goldfish_> flush the buffer?
[11:12] <Stew2> It's the little handle on the left.
[11:12] <goldfish_> :)
[11:12] <troll_god> =[
[11:13] <Stew2> troll_god Sorry, I never did read any docs on it. I was glad it worked, although scrolling would be a nice feature. Even better if ctrl-arrow keys or something worked.
[11:13] <Stew2> IE -intuitive-, a feature somewhat sorely lacking in too many programs for linux.
[11:13] <Agrajag> irssi isn't known for being intuitive
[11:13] <Agrajag> or having decent documentation
[11:14] <Agrajag> or... well, fill in the blank
[11:14] <arachne> he has a documentation ?
[11:14] <Agrajag> but it's better than most
[11:14] <Agrajag> arachne: last time I read it, it stopped halfway through
[11:14] <Agrajag> with a note saying he was feeling too lazy to finish it
[11:14] <Agrajag> granted that was over a year ago
[11:14] <arachne> Agrajag: hehe, that's user friendly :)
[11:14] <Adler> I can torch Firefox to take over
[11:14] <troll_god> Stew2: page-up page-down scrolls
[11:15] <troll_god> irssi is known for being intuitive...
[11:15] <Stew2> troll_god Now that's handieness.
[11:15] <troll_god> irssi is the latest evolution of console IRC by far the best
[11:15] <Stew2> Troll_god I guess my being stuck in 80 column mode sucked for me.
[11:15] <saif> hello
[11:16] <altan> * Stew2 epoxies a silver flusher handle to the left upper side of his 17" crt. <--- I wonder if anyone's done a toilet casemod yet
[11:16] <troll_god> Stew2: Im sure you can change that, it automagically takes the size of your console or xterm
[11:17] <searcher`> or one could ofcourse try typing /help and check the status screen :-)
[11:17] <searcher`> in irssi that is
[11:17] <saif> hello every1,
[11:17] <Stew2> troll_god: Um. That -assumes- I had gdm/xorg running in Hoary. Which quite a high percentage of the time on initial setups, I haven't.
[11:17] <saif> i have alittle problem, i upgraded to hoary, restarted, and now when i login, nothin happens!
[11:18] <saif> actually somethn happens, but now what should happen
[11:18] <Stew2> searcher' I didn't know how to switch screens. :(
[11:18] <onkarshinde> What is exact version fo Firefix in Ubuntu 4.10? Isn't there any update?
[11:18] <goldfish_> i got 1.0
[11:18] <saif> i get a terminal window, look like a frame with the terminal inside it!
[11:18] <Quarupt> Okay i just built a nice 64 bit machine how do i go about installing Ubuntu with the right kernel?
[11:18] <searcher`> Stew2: me neither when i started out :-)
[11:18] <Agrajag> it's 0.9.3
[11:18] <goldfish_> via apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[11:18] <goldfish_> u get 1.0
[11:18] <Quarupt> OMG 2 Gigs of ram is so nice
[11:19] <Agrajag> goldfish_: not in warty you don't
[11:19] <Agrajag> warty uses 0.9.3
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: download the amd64 install iso
[11:19] <goldfish_> Agrajag: i have it now
[11:19] <goldfish_> Agrajag: on warty
[11:19] <Quarupt> its an Intel64
[11:19] <Agrajag> goldfish_: You didn't get it from the official repository.
[11:19] <Quarupt> not an AMD
[11:19] <onkarshinde> goldfish_: when did you update it?
[11:19] <goldfish_> yesterday
[11:20] <saif> any1? help?!
[11:20] <Quarupt> Is there support for ATI all in wonder in Ubuntu?
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: using the e64 extensions or whatever they are?
[11:20] <Agrajag> Filename: pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox_0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> or what
[11:20] <Agrajag> note: revertedto0.9.3
[11:20] <Quarupt> Im just kidding its an AMD
[11:20] <Quarupt> i hate Intel
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> oh
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[11:21] <bborkk> So, there are two keys on my keyboard that completely baffle me.  I have no idea what they do.  One is located directly above the right arrow key and the other directly above the left arrow key.  Both have icons of a dog-eared page with an arrow pointing in their respective directions.  Any ideas?  It's a thinkpad keyboard.
[11:21] <Quarupt> its the AMD 64 that compatible with 32 bit windows XP, so does this mean ...?
[11:21] <Agrajag> bborkk: uh, page up and page down?
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: amd64 is compatible with i386
[11:21] <Agrajag> oh wait
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> XP has nothing to do with it
[11:21] <Agrajag> left and right
[11:21] <Agrajag> hm
[11:21] <bborkk> Agrajag: nope.  there are separate page up and down keys.
[11:21] <Quarupt> I know
[11:22] <Agrajag> page left/right or soemthing odd like that maybe
[11:22] <Quarupt> But i want the right kernel
[11:22] <saif> ppl, i need some help, x server got messed up, and i can't start ubuntu, what do i do?
[11:22] <Agrajag> maybe you can remap them to something useful
[11:22] <bborkk> Agrajag: I don't even know what codes they produce.
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: install 64 bit ubuntu
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: then get the kernel for k8
[11:22] <Agrajag> bborkk: just use the gnome keyboard shortcuts thing :)
[11:22] <HrdwrBoB> although I think it's installed by default anyway
[11:22] <Agrajag> I'm sure there's something in there you can use them for
[11:23] <bborkk> Agrajag: Ah.  Where is that located?
[11:23] <Quarupt> Can i do transparent tv on the desktop ?
[11:23] <goldfish_> saif: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[11:23] <Agrajag> computer > desktop preferences > keyboard shortcuts
[11:23] <bborkk> Agrajag: Thanks.
[11:23] <Agrajag> you can just hit the buttons and map them to whatever in there
[11:23] <saif> goldfish: but it is hoary, i donno y xree86 is still on the machine, shouldn't it be xorg?
[11:24] <Agrajag> and you get the keycodes out of them too
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> Quarupt: no, maybe and sortof
[11:25] <Slant> How do I enable procmail?
[11:25] <Slant> I have uncommented the line in the postfix main.cf, and restarted postfix.
[11:25] <Slant> But procmail appears to still not function.
[11:25] <goldfish_> saif: oh right, sorry, thought u were warty.
[11:25] <goldfish_> saif: I dunno :/
[11:26] <saif> goldfish :(
[11:27] <saif> goldfish: yesterday sometim during the installation i got this window that asked me if i wanted to use xfree86 or xorg and i chose xorg, do u know how i get that program running again?! or where i choose which one to use?
[11:28] <MLimburg> anyone have any info on installing teamspeak with ubuntu ?
[11:28] <goldfish_> saif: em i really don't know, i;m new to this :/
[11:28] <goldfish_> saif: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg maybe ?
[11:29] <saif> goldfish: tried that, didn't work :)
[11:29] <goldfish_> :/
[11:29] <scoon> saif, what is messed up ?  did you check in the forums ?
[11:29] <Adler> I'm looking for the tri-boot system
[11:31] <saif> scoon: didn't find anything, after inserting my usename and password an the login screen, i get this window with a light bulb and an OK button ( no text) then a frame with the terminal inside it appears!
[11:31] <scoon> saif, have you check .xsession-errors
[11:32] <saif> scoon: i donno how to do that!
[11:32] <scoon> saif, sounds more like a gnome problem.  not an x problem.
[11:32] <scoon> saif, can you type in that terminal window ?
[11:32] <saif> scoont: i will try to login in failsafe mode,
[11:32] <saif> scoon: yest, i can
[11:33] <scoon> saif, type: cat .xsession-errors and read the errs
[11:33] <scoon> if any
[11:33] <saif> scoont: it says error activating XKB cofiguration when i tried failsafe, i'll try command u gave me now!
[11:35] <saif> scoon: line 3: [:toomany arguments, executing default failed, will try to run xterminal-emulator
[11:36] <Adler> Is anyone here?
[11:37] <Stew2> I am, somewhere.
[11:37] <johns_> i'm not
[11:37] <johns_> <-- trying to get wifi running on a win98 (aargh) laptop
[11:37] <Adler> I lost it -- I use SuSE
[11:38] <johns_> who ever said windows was easy?
[11:38] <johns_> and can we beat him up
[11:38] <johns_> ?
[11:38] <Adler> Johns_ try the linuxant drivers
[11:39] <johns_> on a _win98_ laptop?
[11:39] <Adler> Yes
[11:39] <saif> scoont: do u know how i can delete a directory with all t's contents from terminal?!
[11:39] <johns_> ah
[11:40] <Adler> john_ do how are you now connected?
[11:43] <scoon> saif, man rm
[11:43] <scoon> saif, rm -fdr path-to-the-directory
[11:44] <scoon> scoon, but becareful, the f is for force and can/will delete anything w/o asking
[11:44] <saif> scoon it tells me that there are still files in that directory
[11:44] <scoon> saif, rm -fdr
[11:44] <goldfish_> saif: rm -rf path-to-dir
[11:44] <scoon> saif, should not
[11:48] <saif> i just dleted the .gnome directory!
[11:48] <scoon> saif, logout
[11:49] <scoon> saif, then from gdm do a ctrl-alt-F1
[11:50] <scoon> saif, that will put you into a virtual terminal.
[11:50] <scoon> saif, log in to your account there.  and ls -a to see all that is in your dir.
[11:50] <saif> scoon: ok, where are we going with this?
[11:51] <scoon> saif, make certain that all .gnome and .metacity get delected.
[11:51] <scoon> saif, i think you should delete all of your gnome setting files and then log back into gnome to have new ones recreated.
[11:51] <altan> yeah, there's a .gnome and a .gnome2
[11:53] <saif> scoon: ok i deleted them all!
[11:53] <scoon> saif, all gnome things ?
[11:54] <gsuveg> anybody use sata hw raid ?
[11:54] <saif> scoon: everything that starts with .gnome and .metacity
[11:54] <scoon> saif, did yoiu get .gconfd, .gnome, .gnome2, .gnome2_private, .gnome_private
[11:54] <scoon> saif, ok good enuff.
[11:54] <scoon> saif, now type exit to log out
[11:55] <scoon> saif, next type ctl-alt-F7, that will bring you back to gdm
[11:55] <saif> scoon: i just restarted the computer
[11:55] <scoon> saif, is there any reason why ?
[11:56] <saif> scoon: nop, no reason for the changes to take effect, in case any bad stuff where still loaded!
[11:56] <scoon> saif, once you log out, any user executing programs are not running.
[11:57] <scoon> saif, unlike winhell, linux actually works like you would expect it to in that regard.
[11:57] <saif> scoon: but i had already been in gdm before, and i logged in safe, anyways, it didn't work! :(
[11:58] <scoon> saif, what i had you do was to delete all of the gnome config files.
[11:58] <scoon> saif, when you would have logged back into gnome, they will get re-created all fresh and new for you.
[11:59] <saif> scoon: xfree86 is still running!!! that is what i was trying to do, delete all the gnome folders!
[11:59] <scoon> saif, xfree is not gnome
[11:59] <scoon> saif, xfree is the env that gnome run inside.
[12:00] <saif> scoon : yes, it is the server that handles gnome, but as i understood i should be running xorg not xfree86
[12:01] <scoon> saif, what exactly have you done ?
[12:01] <Frossi> Hi, how can I open port 21 for my ftp server on my ubuntu server/router?
[12:01] <scoon> saif, if you type X -version in a termial, what do you see ?
[12:02] <saif> Xfree86 version 4.3.0.1
[12:02] <scoon> saif, so there you have it.
[12:03] <scoon> saif, you are running xfree.  that is what comes w/ warty.
[12:03] <saif> scoont: aha, well, this whole problem started whn i upgraded to hoary
[12:04] <scoon> saif, so in order for that to work. you will need to try this first.
[12:04] <scoon> saif, are you certain you want to run hoary ?
[12:04] <saif> scoon: yes,
[12:05] <scoon> saif, you should be able to handle some of the problems it will throw at you first you know.
[12:05] <saif> scoon; i am running it on another machine, and everything is working fine!
[12:05] <scoon> saif, anyway, is your box rebooted.
[12:05] <saif> yes?
[12:06] <scoon> saif, are you logged in ?
[12:06] <saif> scoon: i am logged in, and i am in terminal
[12:06] <xukun> I,m trying to install vmware on ubuntu warthy, but I get this: What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[12:06] <xukun> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] 
[12:06] <scoon> saif, did that fix your gnome ?
[12:06] <xukun> I have no idea!
[12:07] <saif> scoon the virtual terminal which x displayed because dfault failed ( same problem, nothin fixed)
[12:07] <scoon> saif, log out
[12:08] <scoon> saif, drop down to a virtual terminal.
[12:08] <saif> scoon: logged out
[12:08] <scoon> saif, ctrl-alt-F1
[12:08] <scoon> saif, log in to it.
[12:08] <saif> scoon: done
[12:08] <scoon> saif, sudo -s
[12:09] <saif> scoon: i am root!
[12:09] <scizzo> xukun: umm...are you using gnome_
[12:09] <scizzo> ?
[12:09] <scizzo> xukun: sorry....was thinking about something else now
[12:09] <xukun> scizzo, yes
[12:09] <scoon> saif, /etc/init.d/gdm
[12:09] <xukun> its ubuntu standaard
[12:09] <scoon> sorry
[12:09] <scoon> saif, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:10] <tulip> how to play an mp3 file in aubuntu?
[12:10] <saif> scoon gdm stopped
[12:10] <scizzo> tulip: look at the restrictedformats on the wiki
[12:10] <scoon> saif, apt-get update
[12:10] <scizzo> xukun: is there no README or INSTALL file with vmware?
[12:10] <scizzo> xukun: might help you with the installation
[12:11] <tulip> can you tell me the url ?
[12:11] <saif> scoon: updated
[12:11] <xukun> scizzo, I have read that
[12:11] <tulip> scizzo, url ?
[12:11] <scizzo> tulip: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage
[12:11] <scoon> saif, apt-get -s dist-upgrade
[12:11] <scoon> saif, do you get some things to update ?
[12:11] <blah09> morning.
[12:11] <saif> scoon: error!
[12:11] <EvanCarroll> Is there a hotkey in irssi to close a window like ctrl+X or something
[12:12] <tulip> scizzo, thanks
[12:12] <scoon> saif, i can't see your scree, so I need more than that
[12:12] <scoon> screen that is.
[12:12] <saif> the following packages have unmet dependencies, libgtksourceview1.0-0 depends libgtksourceview-common but not installed
[12:13] <blah09> anyone use skype?
[12:13] <scizzo> EvanCarroll: you can make your own hotkey for that
[12:13] <saif> scoon: i had done the apt-get dist-upgrade before, downloaded 516 mbs of stuff, bu thtis package failed
[12:13] <scoon> saif, well there is a problem.  apt-get check
[12:13] <EvanCarroll> scizzo: Do you know the syntax off hand?
[12:13] <blah09> did you remove the backports repository?
[12:14] <saif> scoon same problem!
[12:14] <scizzo> EvanCarroll: no...sorry
[12:15] <saif> scoon: i tried -f install, i got an error as well,
[12:15] <scoon> saif, try this: apt-get install libgtksourceview-common
[12:16] <saif> erros encountered while processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtksrouceview-common_1.1.92-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[12:16] <EvanCarroll> saif: the package mainter could have typed in an invalid version number on accident (or on purpose) to bork the dependency, there is nothing you can do about it if apt can't satisfy it
[12:16] <saif> /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:17] <EvanCarroll> saif: never mind your getting a diff error
[12:17] <saif> EvanCarroll: thanx!
[12:18] <saif> scoon: what do u think the problem might be?! y doesn't it want to install libgtksourceview
[12:19] <EvanCarroll> saif: you could try just -f, to fix any dependency problem you have with dpkg's database
[12:19] <saif> scoon: i think the goal is to remove xfree86 and get xorg running, if that could help
[12:20] <saif> EvanCarroll it doesn't do it!
[12:20] <scoon> saif, but your xfree is working just fine.
[12:20] <scizzo> EvanCarroll: /help bind
[12:20] <scizzo> EvanCarroll: that is how you can see the help for binding keys
[12:20] <mahnve> list
[12:21] <scoon> saif, what version of that are you trying to install: dpkg -s libgtksourceview-common
[12:21] <saif> 1.1.92
[12:22] <saif> scoon 1.1.92
[12:22] <saif> scoon: what i run the command -s i get that the package is not installed!
[12:23] <saif> libgtksourceview and libgtksourceview-common are not installed
[12:24] <scoon> saif, what happens when you apt-get check ?
[12:24] <saif> libgtksourceview depends libgtksourceview-common but it is not installed
[12:25] <scoon> saif, what do your repos look like, only hoary ?
[12:25] <saif> scoon: yup, only hoary
[12:25] <scoon> saif, you are positive
[12:26] <saif> well, i removed everything, and pasted the hoary stuff form the site,
[12:26] <saif> i check, with what vim?
[12:26] <scoon> saif, nano will do the trick
[12:27] <saif> /usr/apt/sources.list?
[12:27] <blah09>  etc/apt/sources.list
[12:27] <saif> scoon: all hoary!
[12:27] <scoon> saif
[12:28] <saif> scoon and the cdrom of course
[12:28] <scoon> saif, just to be safe, comment out the cdrom.
[12:28] <scoon> saif, re-run apt-get update
[12:28] <scoon> followed by apt-get check
[12:29] <saif> scoon: i am sorry, but how do i save the file?!
[12:29] <saif> scoon nevermind
[12:29] <scoon> saif, it tells you on the little bar there.
[12:30] <saif> scoon: yes, it does, but it says somethn out! anyways, updating now!
[12:30] <saif> scoon: do u think thre is anyhope of getting this to work?!
[12:30] <scoon> saif, probably.  i mean you said you had another hoary box up and running.
[12:31] <scoon> saif, at this point i am not quite certain what the problem is and am trying to narrow that down.
[12:31] <saif> scoon: yes, but i didn't go through all this to get it running!
[12:31] <scoon> saif, well you broke something along the way.
[12:32] <saif> scoon: hmm, i wonder how i could have done that!
[12:32] <linuxboy> Can I enable a slpash screen on the ubuntu startup?
[12:32] <saif> scoon: i tried earlier, i couldn't get any package installed due to this problem!
[12:33] <saif> scoon: btw, i really appreciate u trying to help!
[12:33] <scoon> saif, np.
[12:33] <scoon> saif, but i haven't done anything yet.
[12:34] <saif> scoon: at least ur boethring
[12:35] <looksaus> has anyone succeeded in getting tomboy to work on hoary?
[12:36] <ICU> nope
[12:36] <ICU> not me ... didn't work since the last update(s)
[12:37] <scoon> saif, so what is the outcome of apt-get update && apt-get check
[12:37] <scoon> still the same, withthe cdrom commented out ?
[12:40] <tulip> root@ubuntu:/home/tulip # apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:40] <tulip>  (...) The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:40] <tulip>   gstreamer0.8-mad: Depends: libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.0b) but it is not installable
[12:40] <tulip> E: Broken packages
[12:40] <tulip>  (what i do?)
[12:42] <saif> scoon: updating done
[12:42] <saif> yes,
[12:42] <saif> scoon: but somethn different did happen which i ran apt-get distupgrade, it is now actually upgrading
[12:42] <saif> scoon: becore it would say 0 to install 0 to upgradeand 400 not removed
[12:42] <saif> scoon: now 433 upgraded 26 newly installed 4 to remove need to get 44.2/321 of archives
[12:42] <saif> scoon i hope this does it, change is good anyways,
[12:42] <scoon> saif, absolutely.
[12:42] <scoon> saif, it could have had something to do w/ the cdrom repo
[12:43] <tarzeau> say i'd wanted to make my own live cd's like ubuntu. is that documented somewhere, where would i go about reading?
[12:43] <scoon> saif, dunno for certain tho.
[12:43] <saif> scoon: good luck to saif!
[12:43] <scoon> saif, of course.
[12:44] <saif> scoon: i need to get the w32 codecs and stuff like that to play media, well the same repositories as for warty do?! ( i mean the ones i have to add?)
[12:44] <scoon> saif, there is a howto on that stuff.
[12:44] <scoon> saif, i didn't use deb's for mplayer and codecs.
[12:44] <scoon> saif, i just compiled them and installed in /opt
[12:51] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hallo
[12:53] <scoon> saif, still updating ?
[12:57] <saif> scoon: cool! i'll stick to the easy way!
[12:57] <saif> scoon: boy am i glad that it snowed and work was cancalled otherwise i couldn't have had the time to do this!
[12:57] <Infernal_Demon> hello
[01:01] <Infernal_Demon> I was going to ask something
[01:01] <Infernal_Demon> but then I read the site and found out the problem
[01:01] <Infernal_Demon> so nevermind
[01:02] <Stew2_> Infernal_Demon: Yeah!
[01:02] <Infernal_Demon> lol :)
[01:02] <lucien> Argh.
[01:04] <thux> Hi, I try to boot Warty cd, but got Dr.Dos prompt A:\> ?
[01:05] <thux> somebody else got same results | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10681
[01:08] <saif> scoon: nop, still upgrading, downloading the packages
[01:09] <Krypt0n> AshleyK ;)
[01:09] <AshleyK> Krypt0n ;-)
[01:09] <saif> is it just me, or does synaptic cause the system to crash a lot?
[01:10] <housetier> the system crashes or only synaptic?
[01:11] <saif> synaptic! :) sorry!
[01:12] <saif> how do i force quit it?!
[01:13] <blah09> is it just me or is it really hard to get firefox to install extensions?
[01:13] <ArdieM> is this a correct fstab entry:
[01:13] <ArdieM> /dev/hda11 /mnt/hda11-HDD4 vfat umask=0,user,nls=iso8859-1,rw,exec 0 0
[01:13] <ArdieM> /dev/hda12 /mnt/hda12-HDD5 ntfs umask=0,user,nls=iso8859-1,ro,exec 0 0
[01:13] <ArdieM> ?
[01:13] <bborkk> Is there a user movement I can join to pressure ATI into open sourcing their drivers or at least making them work correctly?  I shouldn't have to choose between accelerated graphics and suspend to RAM.
[01:14] <bborkk> blah09: What's difficult about it?
[01:14] <blah09> i click em and anothing happens
[01:14] <mvo_> saif: synaptic crashs for you?
[01:15] <blah09> i've already allowed the website to install programs
[01:15] <bborkk> blah09: what exactly are you clicking on?  which extensions are you referring to?
[01:16] <blah09> im trying to install some from updates.mozilla.org, specifically sage and flashgot
[01:18] <saif> mvo: yes
[01:18] <ArdieM> i want to install my ati radeon 9800
[01:18] <ArdieM> on my ubuntu x64 sys
[01:19] <shock> hello everyone
[01:19] <ArdieM> so i have to download the linux x86_64 driver and not the linux x86 right ?
[01:19] <ArdieM> hi shock
[01:19] <shock> u awake again or still O_o
[01:19] <LinuxJones> ArdieM, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:19] <ArdieM> yes i am in there
[01:20] <ArdieM> hmmm.. xfree or xorg ?
[01:21] <LinuxJones> ArdieM, did you upgrade to Hoary ?
[01:21] <lucien> Is that crackling noise when playing loud music caused by Alsa or by Oss ? Because I have that problem for a few days now.
[01:21] <ArdieM> where can i see which version i have ?
[01:21] <lucien> unama -a
[01:21] <ArdieM> i mean i did an "apt-get upgrade" 20 mins ago
[01:22] <LinuxJones> ArdieM, that's ok your on warty
[01:22] <ArdieM> root@chillout:~ # uname -a
[01:22] <ArdieM> Linux chillout 2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic #1 Tue Oct 12 11:40:38 UTC 2004 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[01:23] <LinuxJones> ArdieM, you'll need to replace the 686 with like amd packages sorry I don't know the names
[01:23] <blah09> hi what exactly does this mean? ** (process:8788): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[01:23] <LinuxJones> ArdieM, I would imagine
[01:23] <ArdieM> im sorry but i dont understand
[01:23] <ArdieM> first i nedd to download the driver... xfree or xorg ?
[01:24] <LinuxJones> xfree
[01:24] <ArdieM> okay
[01:25] <lucien> Hey, is there someone here that could help with a sound problem I have ?
[01:25] <ArdieM> ohh but its an .rpm
[01:25] <lucien> Crackling noises and stuff ?
[01:25] <ArdieM> is there a rpm2deb installed ??
[01:26] <LinuxJones> ArdieM, alien can do that but the application you want to install is more than likely available using apt
[01:26] <ArdieM> alien .. ok ill try
[01:26] <LinuxJones> ArdieM, are you installing ati drivers from rpm ?
[01:26] <ArdieM> ...
[01:26] <Hwolf> I can't get openoffice to run in hoary
[01:27] <ArdieM> i downloaded it from ati right now
[01:27] <LinuxJones> ArdieM, there are binary deivers use the ubuntu ones
[01:27] <viper12> f
[01:28] <ArdieM> Note: Currently, ATI Drivers for AMD64 are only available in Hoary
[01:28] <ArdieM> what is hoary ?
[01:28] <Alessio> ia have installed gimp-svg for opne svg image
[01:28] <viper12> hoary is the 'next' release for ubuntu
[01:28] <Alessio> gimp don't open svg file too!
[01:28] <ArdieM> so i cant install the driver ?
[01:29] <viper12> you should be able to by adding the hoary repositories to synaptics, and then just select em.
[01:29] <Hwolf> Openoffice.org 1.1.3: cannot be started due to an error in the configuration data. Please contact your administrator. The following internal error has occurred: Getstorage, name 'No content'
[01:29] <blah09> whats this i found?
[01:29] <blah09> openoffice.org2 - Office suite core, version 2.0
[01:29] <blah09> anyone try it yet?
[01:29] <Hwolf> blah: yeah, it sucks.
[01:29] <shock> hey guys - what was that apt-get parameter to force overwriting? --force-overwrite?
[01:29] <blah09> yeah? is it slower still? =)
[01:29] <Alessio> I have installed gimp-svg for open svg image, but gimp not recognize it yet! Why??
[01:30] <Hwolf> blah09: I haven't found a way to make it export to .doc, which makes it useless to me
[01:30] <blah09> oh =/
[01:30] <viper12> was looking at the version 2.0 office stuff earlier. nice, but not tons o' differences, at least on the interface......looked more like a point release to me.
[01:30] <blah09> is staroffice 7 better than OOo?
[01:30] <viper12> same stuff.
[01:30] <blah09> its just not free?
[01:30] <Alessio> any idea?
[01:30] <viper12> star is just a more sun-centric version, but they are both free to download...and all based on O.O
[01:31] <blah09> star is free?
[01:31] <viper12> yep
[01:31] <blah09> i didnt know that
[01:31] <viper12> the only 'cost' is if you order the boxed set from sun.
[01:31] <viper12> check their site.  they even have a comparison 'tween the two....the major diff is that O.O is community run, while star is more "in-house".
[01:32] <apokryphos> Their free live Java distro comes with StarOffice
[01:32] <Hwolf> viper12: they've revamped the entire code
[01:32] <viper12> did they H?  I was just on the  'surface' skimming the interface stuff.
[01:33] <ceu> I need to recompile the latest kernel version (because the ubuntu kernel lacks support for my DVB-T card). What's the bast way to recompile? Should I apply ubuntu patches?
[01:33] <ArdieM> i cant find the hoary repos ... could someone help me ??
[01:33] <viper12> just sec.
[01:34] <blah09> lol "Click-N-Run is basically apt-get taken to a much higher level."
[01:34] <viper12> um......you might wanna check 'backports' first to keep the updates from hitting the whole system.
[01:34] <saif> ArdieM u just change ur sources.list from warty to hoary
[01:34] <saif> viper12 how do u check backports?
[01:34] <viper12> although I gotta say i'm impressed with the latest live-hoary........it came up and RAN on a compaq x1000 laptop, wifi graphics..everythang.  I was shocked.
[01:35] <blah09> wifi on the live cd? nice
[01:35] <blah09> is that one centrino based?
[01:35] <blah09> the warty livecd didnt have wifi on my machine
[01:35] <viper12> backports is a repos that is taking some of hoary 'apps' such as firefox 1.0, thunderbird, etc, and making them available as 'updates' without the whole hoary upgrade.
[01:35] <viper12> yes it is blah.
[01:36] <ArdieM> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/ <-- right ?
[01:36] <blah09> nice
[01:36] <viper12> and I was able to surf with ff right after it came up.  It even asked for the Essid on the install routine.  I'm backing up the xp stuff as we speak.  heh heh
[01:36] <blah09> hehe
[01:36] <blah09> im running hoary on my centrino now, works very well, even got suspend to ram and disk working last night
[01:37] <saif> viper12 thanx for the ingo!
[01:37] <saif> info
[01:37] <ArdieM> i thought hoary is the next version ... is it available 4 dowbnload ?
[01:37] <viper12> yep.  My biggest fear was the ATI 9200 mobility..........but it worked without a hitch.
[01:37] <viper12> and np sail.
[01:38] <viper12> it is the next version Ardie........but ubuntu has "live" cd snapshots on their site.  snagged one via azureas last night to test on the laptop.
[01:38] <blah09> ardie: yeah you can apt-get your way to hoary
[01:38] <ArdieM> how ?
[01:38] <blah09> change the repositories from "warty" to "hoary", and comment out the backports repository
[01:39] <viper12> by RTFWS Ardie.  snicker.
[01:39] <viper12> j/t
[01:39] <blah09> ;)
[01:39] <apokryphos> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[01:39] <viper12> tada. ;)
[01:41] <ArdieM> so i have to: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe -> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe and so on ?
[01:41] <blah09> yep
[01:41] <viper12> brb
[01:41] <ArdieM> okay thanx alot ^^
[01:42] <blah09> lol i love the OOo2 splash screen http://www.dinside.no/km_bilde/2/143082.jpg
[01:42] <ArdieM> and then i have to apt-get update/upgrade
[01:42] <ArdieM> right ?
[01:43] <apokryphos> ArdieM: A whole distro upgrade. apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:43] <ArdieM> oki doki
[01:43] <blah09> dist-upgrade
[01:43] <ArdieM> but i shouldnt do that in X
[01:43] <apokryphos> Nah; it's fine to. Just do a full reboot after.
[01:44] <da_bon_bon> hi aLL.
[01:44] <shock_> hoi
[01:44] <da_bon_bon> how do u save the settings and persistent home in ubuntu warty live ?
[01:45] <ceu> hdparm, at boot time, is launched too early, when cdrom aren't available. Is that a know bug ?
[01:45] <MLimburg> hmm ... can i get a little help? as root, i did a "ln -s /home/mlimburg/webdev /var/www" (after mv'ing the original www) .. and i'm getting permission errors on seeing my test index.php .. any ideas here?
[01:46] <darKn1ghT> hi all
[01:46] <MLimburg> hey there
[01:47] <darKn1ghT> how can i play mp3 files from totem?
[01:47] <ceu> MLimburg: symbolic links are not "allowed" (for security reasons) in standard apache configuration
[01:47] <LinuxJones> darKn1ghT, hi
[01:47] <darKn1ghT> where can i get mp3 plugins?
[01:47] <darKn1ghT> it says its not supported
[01:47] <MLimburg> ceu .. mm bugger, thought that would be the easiest way to manage it
[01:47] <apokryphos> darKn1ghT: Not sure why you'd want to ;), but: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/talkback/1104544141/view?searchterm=mp3
[01:47] <viper12> I gave up on totem.  did the full mplayer and xmms installs from the ubuntu help pages........and they work.
[01:48] <da_bon_bon> how do u save the settings and persistent home in ubuntu warty live ?
[01:48] <MLimburg> any issues in making my normal user account the owner of /var/www so i can do my webdev?
[01:48] <apokryphos> darKn1ghT: You might want to see the Documentation on the restricted formats, too: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:48] <darKn1ghT> k
[01:48] <ArdieM> http://nopaste.php-q.net/113506 <-- now this is my sources.list ... could someone check it 4 me pease ?
[01:48] <apokryphos> No mp3 player can match amaroK at the moment, IMO
[01:48] <MLimburg> dont know da_bon_bon
[01:49] <viper12> just guessin' da-bon...but when you are logging out, their is a check box for save session....that what you're talking about?
[01:49] <tarzeau> doko: thanks! i can't find any infos on the links about how the live cd iso images are built though. i will keep an eye on it
[01:50] <da_bon_bon> MLimburg: du-uh!
[01:50] <viper12> what makes amaroK 'better'?  just curious.
[01:50] <ArdieM> xmms is all u need
[01:51] <blah09> i like xmms too
[01:51] <ArdieM> did som1 check my list ?
[01:51] <MLimburg> ahh, yeah .. okay da_bon_bon
[01:52] <apokryphos> ArdieM: On a quick glance, it looks fine to me. You do realise you ccould have just pasted it all from the link I gave earlier, right? ;)
[01:52] <viper12> I'm using xmms with shoutcast right now......mplayer for dvd and avis...although I've noticed that under 'load' mplayer ain't quite up to bsplayer (windoze) for managing to keep ahead.
[01:52] <blah09> mplayer doesnt work for me at all, the moz ff plugin hangs at 25%
[01:52] <blah09> i use xine for dvds, avis, etc
[01:53] <darKn1ghT> apokryphos, there's no gstreamer0.8mad in the universe list
[01:53] <viper12> I found a couple howto's on getting it up and running and it works.....as long as not much else is running....when that's not the case, it tends to lose audio/visual sync pretty fast.
[01:53] <blah09> gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:53] <apokryphos> viper12: Sorry, didn't see your reply. amaroK -- it's just the dream mp3. Has a plethora of little features that make it nicer like the OSD, the Album ccover fetcher. It's *very* customizable. So many things. Try it. ;)
[01:53] <apokryphos> darKn1ghT: Yup, you need to add a new repository. Tells you about it at the second link Ipr ovided.
[01:54] <apokryphos> *I provided
[01:54] <blah09> viper cant you adjust the audio delay in mplayer?
[01:54] <viper12> I probably will apok.  Was curious, as I'm an old school winamp guy, and miss some of its features since the move to the linux world.
[01:54] <blah09> in xine you can adjust it in 0.04second increments, i love that feature
[01:55] <viper12> blah....I've tried...but I shouldn't have to.  I know that linux is a better multi-tasker, but I've gotta say that bsplayer in doze blows mplayer into the dirt.
[01:55] <viper12> sigh
[01:55] <apokryphos> viper12: It's certainly the best decision I've ever made mp3-wise. It has an "xmms style", if you like that (I used to), but switched to the amarok way.
[01:55] <viper12> I'm not tied to any one app in linux yet apok.  I'll snag that tomorrow and give it a spin. :)
[01:55] <blah09> i'd have to install all those qt libs =/
[01:56] <viper12> how is it on the streaming side apok?
[01:57] <blah09> $ sudo apt-get install -s amarok spews out a thousand packages
[01:57] <apokryphos> viper12: Very good. Has all the options of course for fade-out/fade-in. For me the gstreamer engine didn't work completely (there would be about a second delay when changing song); but it lets you change engine. Switched to xine and all was well.
[01:57] <viper12> cool.  I've read that xine is pretty sweet.
[01:58] <apokryphos> The engine is nice (that's what I use under amarok).
[01:58] <blah09> i like xine for video
[01:59] <viper12> yeah, i'm still using gstreamer, but haven't had issues with streaming side.  Got some mp3 music libraries on disk I'll pop in later and check out.
[01:59] <blah09> totem is of course the worst software ever (because it wouldnt play anything on my machine)
[01:59] <apokryphos> The other good thing is that it seems to have a really great and active team. They're a reasonably new app out on the market, and already they're adding new features at a pretty fast rate.
[01:59] <bborkk> When is wxPython 2.5.3 going to be ready for Python 2.4?
[01:59] <apokryphos> blah09: I agree ;)
[01:59] <viper12> >nods to apok
[02:00] <viper12> and lol blah.....I tried totem when I first ubuntu'd.......and thought, "well that's speeecccciaaalll'..........and killed it.
[02:00] <apokryphos> :P
[02:00] <apokryphos> They don't seem to have an active irc channel ;)
[02:01] <viper12> you know you're in a linux channel when the question is:  when is 2.5.3 ready for 2.4.  hee hee.  (sorry couldn't resist.)
[02:01] <bborkk> heh.  true.
[02:01] <doko> tarzeau: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo
[02:01] <bborkk> it's driving me crazy.
[02:02] <viper12> sorry man...no programmers on this side 'o' the keyboard.  g'luck on that one though.
[02:02] <bborkk> well, it's a good excuse for me to not do much for a month or two.  :)
[02:03] <Skwid_> :)
[02:03] <viper12> a good place you might check would be the CCP guys (Eve-online).  They do EVERYTHING in python.
 --- have u tried totem-xine ?
[02:03] <bborkk> who are they?
[02:03] <viper12> the programmers of the mmo "Eve".
[02:04] <bborkk> What's an MMO?
[02:04] <viper12> CCP= crowd control productions.  based in iceland.  ...........and sigh.........Massive Multiplayer Online.
[02:04] <viper12> lol
[02:04] <bborkk> Ah.  I didn't get past MUDs.  :)
[02:04] <viper12> They wrote the entire game in python, and so......would prolly be a good resource.
[02:04] <viper12> www.eve-online.com
[02:05] <viper12> just a thought.
[02:05] <bborkk> viper12: looks pretty sweet.
[02:06] <viper12> it is.  a time sucker extra-ord-in-aire.........I used to play quite a bit.  They went with python as it allowed them to code the entire backend with a game node exceeding 100k players (on the same server farm).
[02:07] <bborkk> I try to stay away from games that look that good.
[02:07] <bborkk> Last one I played was Deus Ex.
[02:07] <viper12> Nothing in gaming matched 300 capital class warships engaging at the same time in a 3d environment..and all of em' piloted by real people.  damn addictive.
[02:08] <viper12> but........my thought was for the programming stuff there. lol
[02:09] <bborkk> anyone want to enlighten me regarding metaclasses in python?
[02:11] <viper12> and the room thundered with responses to that.  lol
[02:12] <bborkk> yeah.  a real conversation starter.
[02:12] <bborkk> I seem to be good at that tonight.
[02:12] <blah09> shock no i havent
[02:12] <blah09> viper you play eve online?
[02:12] <blah09> <- plays eve online
[02:12] <LarryT-ubuntu> excuse me : does any one knows how to configure apt on ubuntu to use a proxy ? Or where may i found something ? Thanks and sorry for trouble :)
[02:13] <viper12> I used to blah.  ran a corporation for awhile....but like I said, a real time sucker.  I'll probably get back into it again after a few projects I'm working on smooth out.
[02:14] <blah09> definitely, my subscription ended yesterday i needed a break too
[02:15] <viper12> lol.  I operated out of the catch region down in the southern parts.  you?
[02:15] <viper12> sorry Larry...were you asking about the command line apt? or???
[02:15] <blah09> aridia, kor azor, sometimes alliance space when shopping for minerals =)
[02:16] <LarryT-ubuntu> yep :)
[02:16] <viper12> cool blah.  we had ops mostly in .4 and 0.0 space, and it was non-stop pc rat fighting...good times. lol.
[02:16] <blah09> :D
[02:17] <LarryT-ubuntu> i must use a proxy to use apt, but there is no apt.conf file and i really don't know how to configure it :/
[02:17] <viper12> man I'd use synaptics if I were you.  hella easier, imho.
[02:17] <dwa_> did you try synaptic?
[02:17] <viper12> lol
[02:18] <dwa_> settings : preferences : network
[02:18] <dwa_> lol viper12
[02:18] <LarryT-ubuntu> didnt think about it ;)
[02:18] <LarryT-ubuntu> gonna try :) thx
[02:18] <viper12> :)
[02:19] <shock_> hm... i still need a program to concat 2 movies to one large one
[02:19] <shock_> would suck to burn 2 movies seperately to one dvd
[02:19] <flosch> hi
[02:20] <goldfish_> shock_: what format are they?
[02:20] <shock_> avi
[02:20] <shock_> the usual - ripped from a dvd....
[02:20] <shock_> but unfortunatley ripped before i had a dvd burner
[02:20] <shock_> sooo... now i want them whole again
[02:21] <goldfish_> will cat not do it?
[02:21] <shock_> errrr... dont think so *g*
[02:21] <viper12> with avi's its a tad trickier than that goldfish.  I use virtualdub for that on xp.  still haven't checked out the linux versions.
[02:22] <goldfish_> oh right, sorry, im a n00b, just curious :)
[02:22] <shock_> well... i wish it would be as simple as cat ;)
[02:22] <goldfish_> it worked for me with .mpg files
[02:22] <goldfish_> ah yes, it wont
[02:22] <viper12> its okay....a good question...but a lot of the time, cutting two or more avi's together can be a mess, specially if the bitrates for the two pieces don't quite line up.
[02:23] <viper12> so shock.....I'd say Virtualdub (via sourceforge's site) or virtualdubmod.....but its windows based....if you're linux only...don't know.
[02:24] <viper12> still edu-ma-cating myself on this side of the fence.
[02:25] <shock_> hm
[02:25] <shock_> i have a windows machine here
[02:25] <goldfish_> cat 1.avi 2.avi | mencoder -noidx -ovc copy -oac copy -o output.avi -
[02:25] <shock_> but dont get me wrong: i _want_ linux software
[02:25] <shock_> ;)
[02:25] <goldfish_> mencoder will do it apparantly
[02:25] <goldfish_> http://cmp.felk.cvut.cz/~svoboda/MakingVideos/
[02:25] <shock_> hmmm... interesting
[02:25] <viper12> virtual dub is soooo clean and simple its not even funny.
[02:26] <blah09> :)
[02:26] <bborkk> how many people here consider themselves programmers?  what percentage?  just curious.
[02:26] <viper12> well, not simple.......but its clean.
[02:26] <goldfish_> sounds cool :)
[02:26] <mjr> goldfish_, I tried that once. It completely screwed up keyframe indexes so that skipping produced funky effects
[02:26] <goldfish_> lol
[02:26] <evarlast> I think virtual dub may run in wine!
[02:26] <blah09> im not one
[02:26] <viper12> it oughta.
[02:26] <blah09> (@bborkk)
[02:26] <bborkk> mencoder should be able to do it... i've used it to stitch together images into a movie, but not movies themselves.
[02:26] <viper12> best part.....vdub be free.
[02:26] <viper12> :)
[02:26] <shock_> i am a programmer
[02:26] <shock_> =)
[02:27] <goldfish_> bborkk: i am studying to become a programmer
[02:27] <viper12> I am........NOT a programmer.  heh heh
[02:27] <bborkk> i'd guess that makes you one.  :)
[02:27] <goldfish_> sort of :)
[02:27] <EvanCarroll> Im a programmer in my own right, but those that do so for a profession would probably file me closer to the 'script kiddie' class
[02:28] <goldfish_> heh
[02:28] <EvanCarroll> honest atleast =/
[02:28] <viper12> there are two roads in computer land.  one way is admin, the other is code....and rarely do the two co-exist.  ;)
[02:28] <bborkk> i'm not talking about making money, just writing code.
[02:28] <goldfish_> i'd like to go the admin road
[02:28] <EvanCarroll> viper12: the two coexist alot.
[02:28] <shock_> oh well ... I'll try the mencoder thing =)
[02:28] <shock_> looks really kewl
[02:28] <viper12> not in the same body. evan.  lol.
[02:28] <shock_> and promising
[02:28] <goldfish_> shock_: good luck :)
[02:28] <shock_> thx
[02:29] <bborkk> goldfish_: yeah, i think it will be really nice once they clean up the interface a bit.
[02:29] <evarlast> I exist in the same body.  I code.  I admin.
[02:29] <EvanCarroll> viper12: all 'admins' should know atleast a scripting languages, and all programmers should have a good foundation in systems and administration
[02:29] <evarlast> EvanCarroll++  EXACTLY!
[02:29] <viper12> thats not the same thing as a CODER and ya know it. ;) ;)
 i'd like to go the admin road <-- who woudnt ;)
[02:29] <goldfish_> All the admins I know are programmers.
[02:30] <goldfish_> shock_: :)
[02:30] <evarlast> any admin that sells themselves short on the scripting part is foolish.
[02:30] <EvanCarroll> I do both =/ i just need to find a job that can keep me engaged in both =/
[02:30] <viper12> I'm an admin, and I stay the hell the way outta the coder's way.  Knowing a thing and doing a thing aint the same.......thing.
[02:30] <shock_> lol... how to admin without scripting? O_o
[02:30] <EvanCarroll> I just got fired for the 'scripting part' the 12th of last month =/ but for knowing it -- funny story aucutally if you want me to sidetrack the whole room
[02:30] <viper12> a nerve hath been struck.
[02:30] <viper12> lol
[02:30] <shock_> but scriting is like talking... just a basis... some good c/c++ knowledge is advisable i think
[02:31] <evarlast> EvanCarroll: you weren't supposed to script?
[02:31] <bborkk> sweet.
[02:31] <evarlast> I'm an admin, and I tell the programmers how to program.
[02:31] <dud> im a bit of both
[02:31] <shock_> lol @ everlast
[02:31] <dud> consultant with content management
[02:31] <viper12> As I mentioned....being conversant in a subject doesn't make a person a programmer.  A programmer gets lost in front of the screen....an admin must deal with the public and other assorted crud.
[02:31] <shock_> *Sigh* did I mention i like dd?
[02:31] <viper12> lol shock
[02:32] <EvanCarroll> evarlast: -- I was asked to cut through red tape and do so, while i had signed an offical document saying i woulden't download anything, my program encreased effeciency by ~600% and i was terminated because one of the guys from the MIS department called downloading perl a 'dire security hazard'
[02:32] <evarlast> viper12: HA!  It seems as though you are speaking from somewhat limitted experience.
[02:32] <bborkk> shock_: only second edition for me.
[02:32] <EvanCarroll> increased =/
[02:32] <sime> tryin to help out a friend with installing ubuntu, i think the harddrive has had it. theres a kernel oops when using the livecd and also the install CD cannot format the disk. I was wishing to use the live cd to fsck, should i try another live distro to run fsck ?
[02:32] <evarlast> EvanCarroll: can I ask what company?  PM is fine :)
[02:32] <sime> tryin to help out a friend with installing ubuntu, i think the harddrive has had it. theres a kernel oops when using the livecd and also the install CD cannot format the disk. I was wishing to use the live cd to fsck, should i try another live distro to run fsck ?
[02:32] <EvanCarroll> having problems on this end now trying to make a website to get my name out and ive been up 24hrs now =/
[02:32] <viper12> sigh.......18 years of limited experience evar.  I wasn't talking about NOT knowing code....but the job differences are large........sheesh.
[02:33] <sime> also running memtest from the live CD doesn't work at all.
[02:33] <membreya> howdy all
[02:33] <bborkk> sime: sounds bad.
[02:33] <bborkk> viper12: dude, it's just like "quiggly down under"
[02:33] <evarlast> EvanCarroll: because I've done similar here at my new job.  And I'd hate to think they would say that about what I've done.
[02:33] <viper12> lol
[02:34] <sime> bborkk, hard drive  issue ?
[02:34] <bborkk> sime: yeah.
[02:34] <membreya> wondering if someone can offer assistance to me regarding compiling some screensavers.
[02:34] <bborkk> membreya: what's the problem?
[02:34] <sime> bborkk, but should the livecd really be doing much to the harddrive ?
[02:34] <dud> membreya, go a head and ask
[02:34] <membreya> it says that getopt is missing but required ..even tho I have it installed :|
[02:34] <dud> sime, isnt it a memory issue?
[02:35] <bborkk> sime: shouldn't be doing anything as far as i know.  i haven't actually used it yet, though.
[02:35] <membreya> also having problems with JRE for the latest openoffice..but I'll tackle that one myself :)
[02:35] <Alessio> i must convert a .svg file in .png by console, what cna i use? gimp-console? convert?
[02:36] <Riddell> Alessio: ksvgtopng
[02:36] <Riddell> Alessio: also inkscape will do it
[02:36] <Alessio> by console?
[02:37] <dud> convert should work shouldnt it?
[02:37] <sime> dud, i'm using the pressed livecd's... does memtest work ?
[02:37] <jdub> Alessio: rsvg :)
[02:37] <Alessio> not with svg :(
[02:37] <dud> sime, havent tried it... but i guess so
[02:37] <sime> dud, have tried two different CD's on two different machines... not looking good
[02:38] <Alessio> can i launch gimp-console?
[02:38] <Alessio> where is it?
[02:39] <dud> sime, try another rescue like cd then?
[02:39] <dud> perhaps it doesnt work...
[02:39] <membreya> hmm ...noone can help with my getopt problem? :(
[02:41] <sime> dud, thats the plan, will take over some memory with me as well.
[02:41] <dud> yeah, nothing else to do i suppose
[02:43] <blah09> is openoffice.org the metapackage for the entire suite?
[02:43] <randabis> yes
[02:44] <blah09> thx
[02:45] <viper12> test
[02:45] <iapx8088> anyone knows if asp::apache goes also with mod_perl2 and apache2
[02:46] <lamont> Slant: there's another copy of that line later that you need to delete...
[02:47] <membreya> grrrr this getopt is perturbing meeeeee :'(
[02:49] <viper12> that sounds like me when I was fighting through a debian install and x11 kept barfin.
[02:50] <Alessio> i must convert a a lot of .svg file in .png by console
[02:50] <Alessio> inkscape is not good
[02:50] <jdub> Alessio: you want rsvg
[02:51] <Alessio> rsvg isn'nt in ubuntu
[02:51] <imnes> I've added a wireless card to my system (hoary) and acitvated it through the network config GUI in gnome, and deactivated the wired card.  However when I reboot it still tries to activate the wired connection and ignores the wireless, can I make the changes permanent somewhere?
[02:51] <randabis> librsvg
[02:51] <dud> chisel it in a stone
[02:51] <randabis> just apt searched
[02:52] <randabis> librsvg2-bin and some other packages
[02:52] <randabis> I'm using hoary though
[02:52] <viper12> you need to delete the wired card in the network settings. (had the same deal).
[02:53] <viper12> just hi-lite the network card and click delete.
[02:53] <randabis> imnes check /etc/network/interfaces
[02:53] <randabis> set the wifi to auto and make wired manual
[02:54] <viper12> ..............unless o' course you already did that and its not responding....but if that's happening, you oughta bug report it. (the gui SHOULD work).
[02:54] <imnes> ok thanks
[02:54] <randabis> and make sure the module is set to load automatically in /etc/modules
[02:55] <viper12> randabis.......you shouldn't havta.  Ubuntu is trying for a cleaner/easier way of doing it.  If my Dad saw that, and someone said: 'make sure that slashshlash blah blah is set to blah blah...he'd walk off.
[02:56] <viper12> just sayin' that if its not working right via GUI in hoary, it oughta be reported is all.
[02:56] <Alessio> great
[02:56] <randabis> well it depends on the module
[02:56] <Alessio> thanks randabis :D
[02:56] <randabis> ndiswrapper is something that needs to be added for example
[02:56] <viper12> yep.
[02:57] <randabis> Alessio, np, don't know what I helped you with, but no prob
[02:57] <randabis> OH
[02:57] <randabis> rsvg
[02:57] <randabis> hehe
[02:57] <viper12> lol
[02:58] <membreya> this teaches me for going away from linux for 5 years...forgotten everything..ubuntu makes me feel warm and fuzzy tho
[02:58] <membreya> so...windowzesque
[02:58] <randabis> uh...no..
[02:58] <viper12> without fifty reboots/hour, eh?
[02:58] <viper12> heh heh
[02:58] <randabis> it's not much like windows at all
[02:58] <randabis> and that's one of the reasons I use it
[02:58] <viper12> although, with stardock on xp, this doesn't feel toooo much different.  lol
[02:59] <membreya> it has a gui and is "fairly" simple...once I go beyond the gui tho I'm lost
[02:59] <membreya> hey windowz is okish ...kinda..record uptime I had for a win2k workstation was 70 days and it was only killed by a powerout
[03:00] <shock_> anyone else experiencing alot of "bungled" cd-writings in hoary?
[03:00] <randabis> I don't like windows
[03:00] <shock_> doesnt seem to be just my burner as i feared
[03:00] <shock_> since a friend of mine has the same
[03:00] <viper12> I did shock.......I set the burner to 1/2 of max, and it worked.
[03:00] <randabis> shock_, no..been working fine with gnomebaker
[03:00] <viper12> (cheap cd's was my issue.)
[03:00] <shock_> hm
[03:01] <membreya> oh...that brings me to my next question..with the GRUB loader at the startup..it lists 3 kernels..normal, 64 bit and 64bit recovery..I'm assuming by loading normal it's not the 64 bit version
[03:01] <randabis> not sure...I'm still on a 32bit system
[03:01] <viper12> what box are you running mem?
[03:02] <membreya> athlon 64 3200+, 512mb DDR, 120gb Western Digital SATA
[03:02] <membreya> haven't even tried my cd/dvd burner yet in ubuntu
[03:02] <randabis> you'll probably wanna get gnomebaker...nautilus cd burning works, but most people don't like it
[03:02] <viper12> not completely sure there mem, but if you loaded the amd 64 kernel........shrugs.
[03:03] <viper12> (when ya installed.)
[03:03] <membreya> oh and an nvidia geforce 4000 that I'm too scared to load drivers for...lol already reinstalled ubuntu 4 times cos I've screwed the x config and I only have the one PC
[03:05] <goldfish_> lol
[03:05] <randabis> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:05] <randabis> couldn't be much easier to load nvidia than that
[03:05] <randabis> oh, and restarting x
[03:05] <viper12> yep.
[03:05] <viper12> running the 5200fx here, and it worked clean.
[03:05] <membreya> ....but is that the latest linux drivers or just the latest stored in the repository?
[03:06] <membreya> also need to get the TV out working..that's the only reason I have to boot into windows right now
[03:06] <randabis> depends on what version you're running...if you're on warty than it is 61.11
[03:06] <randabis> hoary has the latest
[03:06] <membreya> if I can get TV out working then I can ditch windows
[03:06] <nonliquet> hello
[03:06] <membreya> scorched earth approch ;)
[03:07] <viper12> the latest nvidia drivers do have better overall support and the reports i've read show better fps....but I'm waiting for hoary to go 'stable' before uppin' them.
[03:07] <viper12> the 61.1's workin' great over here as is.
[03:07] <randabis> hoary rocks :)
[03:08] <viper12> yep.  going to be throwing that on the laptop later today or tomorrow after data backup.  the live cd for it loaded and found everything...freaked me out.
[03:09] <randabis> it boots and runs faster than warty imho
[03:09] <viper12> i'll take your word on that one....booting from cd ain't zactly fast. heh heh
[03:09] <membreya> grrrrr, think I might call it a night..packages just aren't going my way...
[03:09] <membreya>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[03:09] <viper12> ouch mem
[03:09] <membreya> when trying to install gnomebaker
[03:09] <saif> hello, do u know if i can copy the downloaded packages to a cd, so i wouldn't have to download from the internet on every1 machine i want to upgrade???
[03:10] <inc1> sup room
[03:10] <viper12> mem, why not escape with grub and select the 64 bit versio...and THEN try it.
[03:10] <membreya> *sniffles* by by uptime
[03:10] <randabis> membreya, oh yeah..sorry about that...I don't know if gnomebaker has a 64bit port or not
[03:10] <membreya> 01:10:31 up 22:16,  2 users,  load average: 1.03, 1.20, 1.20
[03:10] <membreya> ;)
[03:11] <membreya> damn you open sources...support my 64bitness!
[03:11] <viper12> saif, just use synaptic to just 'download'.  then go to the repos directory and copy em' off to a cd.
[03:11] <inc1> lol mem
[03:11] <saif> and the repos directory would be in?
[03:11] <saif> apt-cache?
[03:11] <inc1> any one good with getting sound to work
[03:11] <viper12> believe so saif.
[03:12] <saif> ok
[03:12] <saif> thanx!
[03:12] <mvo_> saif: /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:12] <looksaus> ubuntu lets me install to root on software raid 1
[03:12] <looksaus> but it doesn't include md and raid1 support in its initrd kernel
[03:12] <viper12> saif, if you've checked the 'leave in cache' selection in synaptic, thats where they oughta be.
[03:12] <looksaus> which means the resulting system is unbootable
[03:13] <viper12> or.......he left. lol
[03:13] <looksaus> is there a special reason behind this?
[03:13] <looksaus> is this planned to change?
[03:13] <looksaus> should I file a bug?
[03:13] <guim> hi BiteMeBIll
[03:14] <guim> hi BiteMeBill
[03:14] <guim> remember me yesterday?
[03:14] <viper12> which version of ubuntu look?
[03:14] <BiteMeBill> hey there guim:
[03:14] <viper12> warty or hoary?
[03:14] <guim> i tested another keyboard
[03:14] <guim> this morning
[03:14] <guim> without success...
[03:14] <BiteMeBill> guim: And?
[03:15] <BiteMeBill> guim: that is a strange one.
[03:15] <looksaus> viper12, hoary
[03:16] <BiteMeBill> Does anyone know if there is a host file that I can edit?  Need to use it so that when my external IP is put in that it goes to the internal server.
[03:16] <looksaus> but it's the same on hoary, I think
[03:16] <looksaus> (I'm running my own old 2.6.6 kernel, but this means no udev support
[03:16] <inc1> yeah you can edit the hosts from netowrk properties
[03:16] <viper12> clean install?  or different 'install f-number selection).
[03:16] <BiteMeBill> inc1: Tried that it isn't working.
[03:17] <looksaus> viper12, I had Debian Sarge running on this machine before
[03:17] <guim> so I still get this message
[03:17] <guim> telling me to press f1 or enter to boot
[03:17] <guim> and a first line with Isolinux, ... and some copyright stuff
[03:17] <guim> keyboard not respondong
[03:17] <looksaus> went back to a minimal install and dist-upgraded to hoary
[03:17] <randabis> you should use ubuntu's kernel probably
[03:17] <guim> and the install not starting, i can't do anything
[03:17] <inc1> well then it's in the normal place /etc/hosts
[03:17] <guim> I think I will try the Debian installer
[03:17] <viper12> nods.  I saw some stuff in the forums earlier about issues with install problems via ubuntu and different drive configs....i'd report it.
[03:17] <looksaus> but same thing on a clean hoary install
[03:17] <inc1> ip <tab> hostname
[03:18] <randabis> yeah file zee bug
[03:18] <BiteMeBill> inc1: hmmm...  Now I should have known to look in /etc/
[03:18] <BiteMeBill> BRB
[03:18] <inc1> np
[03:19] <randabis> BiteMeBill, /etc/hosts.allow /etc/hosts.deny
[03:19] <viper12> wb membreya
[03:19] <inc1> any one have issue playing sounds even though gstreamer 8 mad is installed
[03:19] <membreya> ty ;) loaded into the 64bit kernel..think I might just edit GRUB to make it default
[03:19] <viper12> cool mem.  you might wanna try that package install again.  lol
[03:20] <membreya> nope...still the same..
[03:20] <viper12> incl......what kinda' sound card? and what apps are you trying to use?
[03:20] <membreya> still says it doesnt match
[03:20] <membreya> damn being l33t hurts :P
[03:20] <viper12> possible their not 64bit-able eh mem?
[03:20] <membreya> gah! still getting the getopt error on slick screensavers
[03:21] <membreya> damn you I have getopt installed!
[03:21] <viper12> time to roll out the bug report pen eh mem?
[03:22] <viper12> ;)
[03:22] <randabis> uh...install.exe?
[03:22] <randabis> we don't use exes here
[03:22] <membreya> teehee randabis ;) I know ...just holding on to that microsoft side of me
[03:23] <viper12> lol
[03:23] <housetier> mono uses .exe :)
[03:23] <membreya> installing nvidia drivers now ...if I don't come back you know it's cos I've killed x again ;)
[03:23] <viper12> that was the HARDEST thing for me to get over when I came back to linux.
[03:23] <randabis> well mono's weird so blegh
[03:23] <inc1> it's a cs4236 i'm trying to use rythembox and xmms they both don't work. i can play music cds though
[03:24] <randabis> make sure you're using esound/esd
[03:24] <membreya> gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!! now I get an error install nvidia drivers :'(
[03:24] <housetier> mono is quite usable
[03:24] <randabis> didn't say it wasn't usable
[03:24] <viper12> well rythmbox......is crappa-box if you ask me.  but if you can play music cd's.....hmmm.
[03:24] <randabis> membreya, it sounds like you may have both 32bit and 64bit on the same system and that's causing problems
[03:24] <ArdieM> hmm i upgraded to hoary
[03:25] <randabis> I think you need to use one or the other
[03:25] <ArdieM> but the volume control is gone
[03:25] <membreya> hmmmm ...maybe deleting 2.6.8.1-3 was a problem :|
[03:25] <ArdieM> how to start it ?
[03:25] <inc1> i'm in gstreamer-properties but when i choose esd i get Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon'
[03:25] <randabis> ArdieM, Run Application --> gnome-volume-control
[03:25] <BiteMeBill> UGH!
[03:25] <inc1> if i choose alsa or oss they are already being used
[03:26] <BiteMeBill> inc1: any other ideas?
[03:26] <ArdieM> Registry is not present or it is corrupted, please update it by running gst-register
[03:26] <inc1> that should work what happens?
[03:26] <ArdieM> sudo: gst-register: command not found
[03:26] <BiteMeBill> inc1: connection is refused.
[03:26] <inc1> can u connect with the ip
[03:27] <BiteMeBill> yes.
[03:27] <randabis> ArdieM, try your dist-upgrade again...kinda sounds like it may not have finished all the way
[03:27] <membreya> why is the nvidia apt-get trying to load /boot/System.map-2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic???
[03:27] <BiteMeBill> inc1: right now I have the firewall closing port 80 so that I can be sure that it's not trying to go out.
[03:28] <blah> blah09 is in use.. =/
[03:28] <ArdieM> can i dist-upgrade in gnome
[03:28] <ArdieM> or is that not good ?
[03:28] <srid> does anyone know a working anjuta2 deb repository?
[03:28] <randabis> that's fine
[03:28] <randabis> doesn't matter
[03:28] <randabis> just reboot after it's completely finished
[03:28] <srid> deb http://martianrock.com/debian binary/ no longer works!
[03:28] <randabis> if you get errors try apt-get -f install
[03:28] <inc1> weird, so you put the ip and host name like this in /etc/hosts 192.168.0.1 domain.com www.domain.com
[03:29] <viper12> incl did you get libmikmod as well?
[03:29] <membreya> tried -f install but it still searches for /boot/System.map-2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic ......grrrrrf
[03:29] <BiteMeBill> inc1: I'm not using a domain.  Just an IP
[03:29] <inc1> viper12: yup... i've got so many packages heh
[03:30] <randabis> did you try /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny?
[03:30] <viper12> was just double checking.  I used the howto forum page to install mplayer/nvidia and xmms.....but I'm running an SBLive! card, so it could be the CS chipset that's causing probs for you.
[03:30] <inc1> BiteMeBill: what exactly are you trying to do again
[03:30] <BiteMeBill> inc1: ie 67.77.123.4 = 192.168.0.139
[03:30] <inc1> oh you are trying to do ip forwarding.. you do that in iptables or on your router
[03:32] <BiteMeBill> inc1: No I'm not trying to forward yet.....  From internal network need to access the pages as if I was outside the network.  So that the links work properly.
[03:32] <inc1> outside you aren't going to use the ip.. you are going to use the name correct
[03:33] <BiteMeBill> inc1: Even if I have the it forwarded it doesn't work cause you can't ping your own eternal IP address.
[03:33] <membreya> resolve.conf configured? ;)
[03:33] <randabis> resolv
[03:33] <membreya> :D
[03:33] <inc1> you should be able to ping inter ips within that netowrk
[03:33] <ArdieM> the taskbar (bottom) is grouping ... i dont want that
[03:33] <BiteMeBill> inc1: if I was to purchase a domain name..
[03:33] <viper12> last question on that one....did you get the libmikmod2 as well incl?
[03:33] <BiteMeBill> Yes I can.
[03:34] <inc1> but that's the beauty of /etc/hosts... you can put aol.com and it will work only on your comp
[03:34] <membreya> ArdieM: right click on the task bar and go to preferences, then go to never group windows
[03:34] <inc1> viper12: yup
[03:35] <BiteMeBill> inc1: but then I have to set the code in the php files on the server differently. Since I'm not using a domain name and just using a static IP
[03:35] <ArdieM> membreya: there is no option called "never group windows"
[03:35] <viper12> hrumph.  I'd be looking at the card itself.......compatibility wise......unless somethings fub'd in the config or install of the libs
[03:35] <inc1> your code should be using relative paths so it doesn't matter
[03:35] <viper12> gotta puff. bb
[03:36] <membreya> ArdieM: it should be listed under "grouping" make sure you right click on the right area
[03:36] <inc1> cya viper12
[03:36] <ArdieM> membreya: ok i found it thx
[03:36] <membreya> np ;) wooohoo ...2 days in ubuntu and I can answer a question :P
[03:36] <BiteMeBill> inc1: from outside the network it works fine.  But from inside the network it won't due to the fact I can't loop back in using my external IP address.
[03:37] <inc1> is your webserver running on your own comp or another one within your network
[03:38] <BiteMeBill> inc1: it's running on another system within the network..
[03:38] <membreya> so can anyone answer my nvidia-glx is searching for my old kernel ? :|
[03:38] <inc1> and you can't pull ip the site with the ip of that machine
[03:39] <membreya> can't you just alias the internal network connections...ie www.blah.com = 192.168.0.x
[03:39] <membreya> ?
[03:39] <BiteMeBill> inc1: yes I can.  But when click a link it serves you the external IP address so then it fails.
[03:39] <ArdieM> how can i change the language ?
[03:39] <BiteMeBill> membreya: if I purchase a domain name for it would work that way.
[03:39] <inc1> oh ok i see... your links shouldn't be directing you to the ip
[03:40] <membreya> can't you use one of the free domain providers out there?
[03:40] <inc1> those static links would need to change for every server you transfer your code to
[03:40] <BiteMeBill> inc1: I would agree...  But Mambo, Drupal and wordpress all code it in.
[03:41] <inc1> vi my man vi
[03:41] <ArdieM> ive choosen german @ warthy install, then i made a dist-upgrade, now its german english mixed... that suckz, i want to have it in 1 langage... when german is not possible than i want it all in english
[03:42] <ArdieM> how can i do this ?
[03:42] <BiteMeBill> membrya: I  was trying not to go that route.  But if I can't figure this out then I will have to.
[03:42] <inc1> what if you use a domain in you links which is still static but then you can edit your /etc/hosts to point that domain to your ip then your links would take you to the domain and they would resolve to the ight ip
[03:43] <membreya> inc1: isn't that what I said? :|
[03:43] <BiteMeBill> inc1: I think that would work but that would have to be a last effort.  I know it works properly when I edit the host file in Windbloz but can
[03:43] <t31> quick question, can i use quanta without any risk under gnome?
[03:43] <josue> hey everyone
[03:43] <inc1> nope you are trying to have an ip resolve to another ip and that's not going to work
[03:43] <BiteMeBill> 't get it to behave in here.
[03:43] <josue> quick question, xorg is using up almost 60% of my ram, is this normal?
[03:43] <BiteMeBill> inc1: yes that is what I am trying to do.
[03:44] <inc1> but that won't work... if you are goign to have static links you want to use a domain name not an ip
[03:44] <BiteMeBill> inc1: seems smoothwall has taken that little feature out of their disto so now I have to do it locally.
[03:45] <josue> it wasn't like this before, and it's slowing my system
[03:45] <BiteMeBill> inc1: if you have static ip what is the difference other than this little bugger?
[03:45] <membreya> cmon incl...answer my nvidia apt-get is looking for 2.6.8.1-3 kernel :P where would it be referenced in my system?
[03:46] <inc1> i have no idea.. mem
[03:46] <membreya> awwwww :'(
[03:46] <BiteMeBill> inc1: I'll go try a ni-ip.org name and see what it does.
[03:46] <inc1> i know websites though.. i know what issue bitemebill is having.. changing the code would fix it
[03:47] <membreya> it also has the error message -kernel-1.0.6111 is not configured yet.
[03:47] <BiteMeBill> inc1: I agree but that is all the code that they have done that I would have to change.
[03:47] <inc1> if you edit your links with a text editor make them relative so instead of 192.168.1.2/pages/index.html it's just /pages/index.html
[03:48] <inc1> exactly bitemebill it does have to change.. thats the problem with static links.. for every web server you transfer your code to it will have to change
[03:48] <BiteMeBill> inc1: I agree....  I took the lazy way out and downloaded wordpress and installed it and set it up and now I'm paying for it.
[03:49] <inc1> well better to fix it now than later
[03:50] <viper12> mem, which driver version of nvidia are you trying to intall?
[03:50] <BiteMeBill> inc1: but it's working for all the others..  And only a few like me..  LMAO  Guess I can't be just lazy.  LOL
[03:50] <inc1> not when it comes to coding.. that bites you in the long run.. lol
[03:51] <membreya> am trying: sudo apt-get -f install nvidia-glx
[03:51] <membreya> and it's searching for 2.6.8.1-3 kernel when I have 2.6.8.1-4 installed
[03:51] <membreya> and I've deleted the -3 kernel :|
[03:51] <ArdieM> my gnome-volume-control is not in the taskbar. No volume control elements and/or devices found.
[03:52] <membreya> ArdieM: is your sound working?
[03:52] <Mitario> heyhey
[03:52] <Mitario> can anyone tell me to what component I should report a bugreport if an onboard soundcard isn't working
[03:52] <inc1> sound it evil
[03:52] <viper12> okay mem.......which version of the BASE nvidia driver do you have on the system?
[03:53] <ArdieM> membreya: yes
[03:53] <membreya> I haven't installed any other drivers other than the ones that come by default
[03:53] <membreya> so my driver is nv at the moment
[03:53] <inc1> g2g.. work calls
[03:53] <membreya> have fun inc1 ;)
[03:55] <viper12> mem, go to synaptic....refresh the lists and then look for nvidia via search.  if the 61.11 driver isn't installed.....that could be a problem. (it changes the config to "nvidia") and is newer.
[03:55] <viper12> the glx and such may not work properly without that being there first.
[03:55] <viper12> hoary or warty mem?  (can't remember what you'd said the install was.)
[03:56] <ArdieM> the dist-upgrade borke alot
[03:56] <ArdieM> ..... im unhappy atm. when i reghtkliock on a file and select propereties: nautilus is crashing
[03:57] <membreya> viper12: I'm running 64bit warty
[03:58] <membreya> went to synaptic and removed all references to nvidia
[03:58] <suifur> membreya, how's it work?
[03:58] <membreya> then I try and do a sudo apt-get -i nvidia-glx and I get the same error
[03:58] <membreya> only having this problem since I upgraded the kernel
[03:58] <viper12> mem.........dangit. lol.
[03:58] <foobar-xs> have an issue on hoary, i am unable to install mplayer....do i need a diff repo to get it??
[03:59] <viper12> when I installed the 61.1x driver.......the howto had me installing the base driver BEFORE applying the glx and such.  If your nvidia driver is older than the 61. (and it probably is), then you're gonna have probs with glx on the newer kernel.
[04:00] <Guardiann> foobar-xs there are several mplayer choices in synaptic
[04:00] <membreya> ...there's no nvidia installed now tho viper..just removed the 2.6.8.1-3 headers
[04:00] <membreya> see if that makes a difference
[04:01] <membreya> hmm looking at the apt-get and it says:
[04:01] <membreya> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[04:01] <membreya>   linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic nvidia-glx
[04:01] <membreya>   nvidia-kernel-common
[04:01] <membreya> i don't want it to get the 2.6.8.1-3 i want it to get -4!!! >:(
[04:02] <viper12> nods.  if that goes poof........you might wanna just move to the .6629 driver.    This thread is a complete walk through on the newer one:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12823
[04:02] <viper12> the guy is a pure believe in compiling from source, but go through the thread...might be something in there.
[04:02] <blah09> heh why isnt he running gentoo then
[04:03] <viper12> oh blarg...........hey mem.....what repositories do you have listed in synaptic?
[04:03] <MoB_> hi all
[04:03] <viper12> lol blah.
[04:03] <membreya> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories <--- everything in there except the last 4 (not able to find them)
[04:04] <christianp> hi all
[04:04] <MoB_> i've a problem with the network startup, it doesn't load correctly :(
[04:04] <viper12> do you have universe/metaverse?
[04:04] <viper12> er........multiverse?
[04:04] <christianp> i installed ubuntu on my laptop, but it doesn't recognize a lot of devices
[04:05] <membreya> viper12: as I said..everything in that sources file except the last 4 repositories
[04:05] <MoB_> it recognize all, but doesnt load the network config properly, i have to enable by hand
[04:05] <[Spooky] > yo yo!
[04:06] <viper12> nods.  mem, the merillat stuff is down I think. couldn't get those going either.
[04:06] <membreya> MoB_: is it allowing DHCP? (I had to manually put my IP in for my network card)
[04:06] <zombics> when I am trying to install limewire its tellimg me i need to install VM prior to run this program... what i neeed to do?
[04:06] <[Spooky] > im trying to start k3b and get an error and then there is no cd-burner to choose, anyone have any idea ?
[04:07] <Iddi> What directory is the 'top level of the gs source tree'?
[04:07] <MoB_> membreya: yes, in /etc/network/interface is enabled "eth1 inet dhcp"
[04:07] <ArdieM> how can i add the gnome-volume-control to the systray ???
[04:07] <membreya> mob_: tried establishing it with just a static ip?
[04:07] <MoB_> zombics: you need to install the Java JRE to run limewire
[04:08] <MoB_> membreya: but its my internet connection, so i have to do it automatically (dynamic ip)
[04:08] <zombics> MoB_, where can i get the java jre?
[04:09] <viper12> ardie are you talking about the bottom panel?  if so, just right click, and add to panel...select volume control from dialog box.
[04:09] <MoB_> zombics: look at the www.ubuntuguide.org ;)
[04:09] <membreya> zombics: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
[04:10] <ArdieM> could someone show me a FAT32 NTFS and EXT3 fstab entry ??
[04:10] <Iddi> What directory is the 'top level of the gs source tree'?
[04:10] <MoB_> membreya: this problem appears when i was playing with the init.d/scripts, when i first installed ubuntu it works fine
[04:11] <membreya> how exactly do you have to bring it up manually?
[04:11] <membreya> an ifconfig -up?
[04:11] <dud> membreya, encourage people to use blackdown... its GPL and just as good
[04:11] <dud> well, in my personal opinion that is...
[04:11] <membreya> sorry dud ;)
[04:11] <MoB_> with the network-applet
[04:12] <dud> nothing ubuntu policy, just my opinion ;)
[04:12] <MoB_> ArdieM:  /dev/hda1       /media/windows    ntfs    umask=0222      0       0 (look at http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs)
[04:13] <Anubis> Unpacking replacement zenity ...
[04:13] <Anubis> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:13] <Anubis>  /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-icon-theme_2.9.91-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[04:13] <MoB_> network-applet calls network-config so i enabled that way
[04:13] <jdub> Anubis: just run upgrade again
[04:13] <ewhitten> This is great.  Another day, more new packages!
[04:13] <Anubis> thx
[04:13] <jdub> Anubis: it won't happen for other people, a fix has been uploaded and will be available soon
[04:14] <membreya> *cries* why is nvidia gfx trying to load my old kernel? :|
[04:15] <[Spooky] > anyone good with cdrdao ?
[04:15] <MoB_> [Spooky] : why don't jut use nautilus?
[04:15] <MoB_> just*
[04:15] <Iddi> Anyone know what the 'top level of the gs source tree' is?
[04:15] <merriam> Anyone else noticed a new flakiness in xmms in hoary?  little skips like a bad mp3
[04:15] <[Spooky] > MoB_: i would if that would work...
[04:16] <MoB_> [Spooky] : it gives you an error?
[04:16] <[Spooky] > MoB_: yes
[04:16] <dud> Iddi, gs is what? gstreamer?
[04:16] <Se7h> dam,
[04:16] <Anubis> merriam, xmms only seg faults for me, as well as mplayer
[04:16] <foobar-xs> is >> mplayer-custom 1:1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu1 << what i need for hoary??
[04:16] <Se7h> my synaptic just died
[04:16] <nonliquet> hello, i have a problem with the name deamon, after configuring the /etc/bind/db.files i get an error by typing nslookup 192.168.2.1 -> server can't find 1.2.168.192.in-addr.arpa: NXDOMAIN
[04:16] <MoB_> [Spooky] : what error?, maybe you could start there
[04:16] <ArdieM> is this right? /dev/hda10 /mnt/hda10-HOME0 ext3 defaults 1 2
[04:16] <nonliquet> who can help me pls
[04:17] <merriam> Anubis: I've seen no segfaults in either.
[04:17] <[Spooky] > so does k3b and cdrdao...
[04:17] <Se7h> and i forgot the console command besides
[04:17] <foobar-xs> Se7h, don't feel bad..my synaptic won't install !! lol
[04:17] <[Spooky] > MoB_: let me see
[04:17] <Se7h> dpkg and dselect
[04:17] <Se7h> foobar-xs lol
[04:17] <Anubis> merriam, I just use rhythmbox and xine-ui until things get sorted out
[04:17] <Se7h> remind me the commands plz
[04:17] <MoB_> [Spooky] : if it gives you an error in all recorder apps, maybe its the configuration of the cdrw
[04:17] <Anubis> merriam, I think it may be the composite module I enabled for transparency in xorg
[04:18] <dud> Se7h, apt-get install <software>, apt-cache search <whatever>
[04:18] <Se7h> apt-get
[04:18] <Se7h> ah
[04:18] <Anubis> merriam, it also killed glxgears
[04:18] <[Spooky] > ok and where do i fixa that ?
[04:18] <Iddi> dud: No idea, I'm trying to compile something that requires the jpeg library (which I have compiled), and it has to be in the top level of the gs source tree and renamed to 'jpeg'
[04:18] <[Spooky] > MoB_:
[04:18] <Se7h> thats it
[04:18] <Se7h> thanks
[04:18] <Anubis> merriam, the fix for glxgears and Nvidia acceleration only freezes my display
[04:18] <merriam> Anubis: so you'd rather use different players than turn of transparency? :)
[04:18] <zOap_win> Hi, I have some problems with ubuntu. I've tried both Wharty and Hoary. The website description says that my SMC 2835W wireless card works but ubuntu doesnt recognise it.. help!!
[04:19] <MoB_> [Spooky] : first, you need to know what's the error thats nautilus,k3b,etc gives you
[04:19] <Anubis> I think its because of the AGPart driver is loading and not NVagp
[04:19] <Anubis> or whatnot?
[04:19] <[Spooky] > MoB_: yepp in on it...
[04:19] <EvanCarroll> Se7h: alias windows_update='sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[04:19] <dud> wee 200fps fullscreen glxgears :D
[04:19] <[Spooky] > *im
[04:19] <MoB_> :D
[04:19] <Se7h> EvanCarroll lol "windows" ? ;P
[04:20] <EvanCarroll> =D and you won't have to restart
[04:20] <dud> hehehe
[04:20] <MoB_> ahahaha
[04:20] <zOap_win> anyone?
[04:20] <ewhitten> zOap_win:  what version of the card do you have?
[04:20] <MoB_> "windows_update" <-- Lol!
[04:20] <Anubis> via_agp                 9408  1
[04:20] <zOap_win> v2
[04:20] <Anubis> agpgart                33704  2 via_agp
[04:20] <[Spooky] > MoB_: Nautulis gives: cdrecord: OPC failed.
[04:20] <zOap_win> MoB_: v2
[04:20] <dud> nor do you have to let a buggy application run compromisable software with admin privs
[04:20] <Anubis> nvidia               3470428  8
[04:21] <ewhitten> zOap_win:  so the cardbus version that should be working with prism54?
[04:21] <zOap_win> ewhitten: yes
[04:21] <Anubis> vesafb                  6820  0
[04:21] <EvanCarroll> dud: overestimating apt-get are we =/
[04:21] <MoB_> [Spooky] : have you seen the cdrecord bug-list?
[04:21] <ewhitten> zOap_win:  what does lspci -v tell you about the card?
[04:21] <MoB_> or error-code
[04:21] <MoB_> let me see
[04:21] <ewhitten> (it may show up as Intersil Corporation...)
[04:21] <Anubis> I guess it also depends on which kernel one uses
[04:22] <zOap_win> ewhitten, don't know.. currently I'm tryibng to install hoary all over again---
[04:22] <Iddi> Where are vendor source trees located?
[04:22] <zOap_win> ewhitten, yes it did the last time..
[04:22] <zOap_win> ewhitten, intersil that is..
[04:22] <[Spooky] > MoB_: let me start k3b and tell you what i get...
[04:22] <ArdieM> for what in hell is the device manager good for ??
[04:22] <MoB_> ok
[04:22] <ewhitten> zOap_win: okay, so it at least sees your card.  Did you get any lights on with the card?
[04:22] <ArdieM> just for looking ?? you cant change anything ?
[04:22] <Anubis> ArdieM, nanda
[04:23] <Anubis> ArdieM, nada
[04:23] <zOap_win> ewhitten, yes both lights. but they are static
[04:23] <ArdieM> Anubis: i just can change anything
[04:23] <MoB_> [Spooky] : what CD-RW do you have?
[04:23] <ArdieM> *cant
[04:23] <ewhitten> hmm.
[04:23] <Anubis> ArdieM, I know
[04:23] <ArdieM> then what is it good 4 ?
[04:24] <ArdieM> i.e. i want to change my sound driver... how ?
[04:24] <[Spooky] > MoB_: i get this: "There was an error setting up inter-process communications for KDE. The message returned was: Could not read network connection list /home/spooky/.DCOPserver_TWTNet__0"
[04:24] <[Spooky] > MoB_: i have a NEC 1300 A
[04:24] <zOap_win> ewhitten, as you see this is really bugging me.. I have nop idea what to do..
[04:24] <MoB_> it's a removable?
[04:25] <[Spooky] > dvd/cd burner
[04:25] <[Spooky] > no
[04:25] <[Spooky] > a IDE
[04:25] <ewhitten> zOap_win:  understandable.  A few people have had similar problems to this.  Once you're done installing, you'll have to unplug your card, plug it back in, tell us what dmesg says.
[04:25] <LaurenceRowe> Is there any way I can stop my taskbar items moving about? This often happens when I close a program window so that that program only has one window open.
[04:26] <MoB_> [Spooky] : i've found this: http://lists.debian.org/cdwrite/2004/10/msg00097.html
[04:26] <zOap_win> ewhitten, ok. it'll probably take some time.. i'm installing ona sloooow laptop. i'll come back then. thanx for the help so far:)
[04:26] <ewhitten> no problem.  what we're all here for.
[04:27] <ArdieM> i cant find a point to change sound drivers @ the faq ...
[04:28] <viper12> i'm out. take care all.
[04:28] <foobar-xs> can someone tell me what i need to do to fix this?? I try to start mplayer and i get this error>> 3DNow supported but disabled 3DNowExt supported but disabled....Illegal instruction
[04:28] <viper12> quit
[04:28] <membreya> hmmmm lol
[04:28] <membreya> just tried to burn a cd
[04:28] <membreya> it won't mount my CD-rw :|
[04:29] <MoB_> do it manually :D
[04:29] <EvanCarroll> what do you think would look better on a resume as a TLD .biz .info .com or .name this a site who's soul purpose is to get me hired
[04:29] <njan> EvanCarroll, .com
[04:29] <EvanCarroll> =/ was thinking that too
[04:29] <njan> EvanCarroll, I wouldn't touch any of the others with a bargepole
[04:30] <LaurenceRowe> foobar-xs, try the non k6 mplayer debs
[04:30] <njan> EvanCarroll, they're no different, but they *look* unprofessional, for some reason.
[04:31] <LaurenceRowe> using anything other than a .com shows you do not have sufficient imagination to think up a still available .com name ;-)
[04:31] <EvanCarroll> njan: well i know they aren't any different, i just didn't know if .name .info or .com would look more professional =/ ill go with .com i suppose
[04:31] <[Spooky] > haha
[04:31] <EvanCarroll> LaurenceRowe: hahahahahaha
[04:31] <EvanCarroll> LaurenceRowe: v. nice
[04:31] <[Spooky] > man this sucks
[04:31] <njan> EvanCarroll, definitely .com. No point in giving yourself a disadvantage if you can avoid it.
[04:32] <foobar-xs> LaurenceRowe, huh??
[04:32] <dud> yeah, com is superiour
[04:32] <carambol> when in install warty ik get two options
[04:32] <MoB_> [Spooky] : do you fix it?
[04:32] <dud> alternatively .net or .org, but they have to be used with reason
[04:32] <carambol> default or maintainers version
[04:32] <[Spooky] > MoB_: you see im a noob and didnt get mutch clearer by the link :/
[04:32] <dud> .net if you *are* a network related site, and .org for organizations
[04:32] <foobar-xs> LaurenceRowe, i installed mplayer-custom
[04:32] <carambol> which one should i chose?
[04:32] <MoB_> [Spooky] : i see
[04:33] <MoB_> [Spooky] : let me find out more
[04:33] <membreya> erm...lol how do you find out where the cdrom is attached to ...ie hda etc etc?
[04:33] <EvanCarroll> does anyone in here object o using godaddy?
[04:33] <njan> membreya, dmesg |grep CD
[04:33] <[Spooky] > MoB_: but when i do sudo k3b it works...
[04:33] <njan> EvanCarroll, s'what I used last time I needed a domain :)
[04:33] <foobar-xs> LaurenceRowe, mplayer-686 failes to instlall, like almost everything else i want to install!! lol
[04:33] <[Spooky] > is it rights issiues ?
[04:33] <dud> godaddy has been good for several of my domains
[04:34] <membreya> hmmm it's mounting right but it's saying bad superblock
[04:34] <dud> just watch out for all the damn sneaky "offers" you have to unclick!
[04:34] <MoB_> [Spooky] : i found an spanish explain, do you undestand spanish?
[04:34] <Codename2> hey guys
[04:34] <[Spooky] > MoB_: nope im swedish hehe
[04:34] <ArdieM> i want to install the ati drivers for amd64 what do i have to type? sudo apt-get install linux-686 ??
[04:34] <MoB_> ok, let me translate it
[04:34] <Codename2> you can use debian respositories with ubuntu, right?
[04:35] <dud> Codename2, you can... but thing might go wrong
[04:35] <dud> s/thing/things
[04:35] <Codename2> I'm trying to install mono
[04:35] <ArdieM> do i have to type: sudo apt-get install linux-amd64 ??
[04:35] <lucien> Hey, could someone here tell me why my touchpad is not working, but with the correct drivers installed ?
[04:35] <Codename2> ubuntu universe seems to only have an older version
[04:35] <MoB_> [Spooky] :
[04:36] <[Spooky] > MoB_: yes
[04:36] <ArdieM> please im lost ^^
[04:36] <MoB_> [Spooky] : look at the private so we dont flood the main chat
[04:36] <EvanCarroll> is it worth 4.00 a yr to have your information kept private?
[04:36] <[Spooky] > MoB_: done
[04:36] <EvanCarroll> im wondering how many people make spam scripts to hitup whois for contact information =/
[04:37] <EvanCarroll> perl scripts rather
[04:37] <zeedo> I havent been hit by spam but I have had phishing attempts from whois lookups
[04:37] <evarlast> EvanCarroll: yes, I dunno how they walk the root dns to find all the dns names.
[04:38] <Se7h> perfect
[04:38] <Se7h> system upgraded
[04:38] <Se7h> :)
[04:38] <EvanCarroll> evarlast: yes as in its worth the money? or yes as in its not?
[04:38] <Se7h> synaptic ok to
[04:38] <ArdieM> how can i stop x ?
[04:38] <ArdieM> (shutdown x)
[04:38] <iapx8088> X
[04:38] <iapx8088> ?
[04:38] <carambol> xkill
[04:39] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  log out of GNOME, then Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[04:39] <membreya> trying to mount the cd and getting: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda,
[04:39] <membreya>        or too many mounted file systems
[04:39] <Se7h> ewhitten  that'll just restart it
[04:39] <Se7h> i guess
[04:40] <ewhitten> Se7h: right, sorry.
[04:40] <Codename2> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org_current_._Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:40] <Codename2> anyone know what im getting that error? lol
[04:40] <randabis> nah it will kill x, but if gdm is running gdm will probably restart
[04:40] <ewhitten> right.  /etc/init.d/gdm stop is probably the gentlest way :)
[04:41] <Pointwood> I'm trying to mount a ntfs drive with this "mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/hdc1 /mnt/c" however that doesn't give ordinary users access to the drive - I think I need to use the umask option, but I'm not sure how to add that to the mount command?
[04:41] <EvanCarroll> Pointwood: there is no write support for ntfs
[04:41] <EvanCarroll> Pointwood: you can only modify same length files
[04:41] <randabis> umask=0222 I "think"
[04:42] <ewhitten> EvanCarroll:  he just wants users to see the files
[04:42] <Pointwood> EvanCarroll: that's why I'm mounting it ro ;)
[04:42] <EvanCarroll> Pointwood: add the users flag for users to be able to mount the drive
[04:42] <randabis> ubuntuguide.org will tell you Pointwood
[04:42] <EvanCarroll> Pointwood: -o'ro,users' then =D
[04:42] <acs_> here I am
[04:42] <acs_> with ubuntu
[04:42] <acs_> yuppi
[04:42] <zhukov_> anyone with hoary
[04:42] <zhukov_> ?
[04:42] <ewhitten> acs_  what a coincidence!  so are we!
[04:42] <ewhitten> zhukov_ :  yup.
[04:42] <FauxPasIII> Hey everyone, I'm trying to get some apt pinning stuff going, and am having a problem...
[04:42] <randabis> I'm using hoary
[04:42] <zhukov_> can anyone PLZ!!! send me the original mouse cursors?
[04:43] <ewhitten> Never!
[04:43] <ewhitten> ;)
[04:43] <randabis> that will be fixed soon
[04:43] <FauxPasIII> I've put in the sid apt sources, and tried to pin them down so that I'd ONLY get sid packages if the package was completely absent from hoary...
[04:43] <acs_> ewhitten, lol
[04:43] <zhukov_> I had a MacOS theme, wich accidently replaced the original one... :'(
[04:43] <FauxPasIII> I'm trying the pin like this, which isn't working:  "Pin: release l=Debian"
[04:43] <acs_> but this is my very first time with a new operationg system
[04:43] <acs_> and it was easy to set up
[04:43] <FauxPasIII> And pinning to 0 now, although according to man apt_preferences, 200 should do it
[04:43] <Xappe> zhukov_, i don't have them...it's filed as a bug i think, so hopefully they'll fix it
[04:44] <acs_> now I am off to discover the new possibilities of this OS
[04:44] <ewhitten> acs_ :  there you go.  I'm also running Windows XP in a window and World of Warcraft :)
[04:44] <ewhitten> (natively on ubuntu)
[04:44] <randabis> I'm using a macos theme...
[04:44] <Codename2> if im on warty, can i just change my sources.list to hoary?
[04:44] <Pointwood> ahh..thx for the link to ubuntuguide
[04:44] <zhukov_> Xappe, not even in .icons?
[04:44] <zhukov_> in the default folder?
[04:44] <randabis> Codename2, sure
[04:44] <ewhitten> randabis:  my theme:  Industrial for controls, MCity-Hacked for window borders, and Suede for icons :)
[04:45] <randabis> www.ubuntuguide.org has a guide to hoary I believe
[04:45] <ewhitten> I've always been a big fan of the gorilla SVG themes too.
[04:45] <membreya> grrrr why cant I mount my cd drive >:(
[04:45] <randabis> ewhitten, hehe...I use Gnome Apple icons
[04:45] <randabis> ewhitten, yeah they are nice
[04:46] <ewhitten> randabis:  where are those?
[04:46] <[PoVal] Dutchy> my apache2 installs with threaded MPM by default but i want to set --with-MPM= etc... how do i do that?
[04:46] <sig_ubuntu> ewhitten: http://linuxgoons.com/screenshots/ubuntucurrent.png
[04:46] <randabis> ewhitten, it's a mac icon set for gnome
[04:46] <MoB_> membreya: rigth click -> mount device didn't work?
[04:47] <membreya> mob_: I get mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda,
[04:47] <membreya>        or too many mounted file systems
[04:47] <Codename2> should i change archive.ubuntu and security.ubuntu/
[04:47] <acs_> ewhitten, I have winxp running on a computer next to me
[04:47] <ups> hi
[04:47] <zhukov_> sig_ubuntu, that wireless monitor
[04:47] <Codename2> or just archive?
[04:47] <MoB_> "HDA?"?"?"?"
[04:47] <randabis> http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=2000493974207a3fd94d89&m=screen
[04:47] <acs_> I am not leaving windows
[04:47] <sig_ubuntu> zhukov_: yes
[04:47] <acs_> I can't
[04:47] <randabis> there's my desktop :p
[04:47] <MoB_> maybe it's already mounted
[04:47] <shock> is there a way to ban kde-applications from the gnome-menu even though they are installed?
[04:47] <zhukov_> where did you got it
[04:47] <sig_ubuntu> nice
[04:47] <membreya> ya HDA mob_, I have a SATA harddrive so thats SDA
[04:47] <MoB_> :D
[04:47] <sig_ubuntu> zhukov_: it comes with gnome applets
[04:48] <ups> gam_server has been eating up 80%+ CPU for while - any ideas?
[04:48] <MoB_> it's new for me :P
[04:48] <sig_ubuntu> zhukov_: right click panel and "add to"
[04:48] <membreya> all thats mounted are SDA1, 3, 5
[04:48] <MoB_> try "mount -a"
[04:48] <membreya> sorry
[04:48] <membreya> SDA3 & 5
[04:48] <ewhitten> randabis:  yes, I'm asking where you got the icons?  gnome look, art.gnome?
[04:48] <randabis> I think gnome-look "might have it"
[04:48] <randabis> I got a huge mac osx pack that is 25mb..has tons of mac stuff
[04:49] <membreya> I have /dev/hda        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0 in my fstab
[04:49] <membreya> and I do a mount -a but it doesn't help
[04:49] <Codename2> sweet
[04:50] <Codename2> now i just need to do an apt-get dist-upgrade?
[04:50] <Xappe> buaaaah, i miss the metacity window theme
[04:50] <MoB_> what does "mount" alone says
[04:50] <ewhitten> alright everybody, say cheese.
[04:50] <randabis> ewhitten, http://iack.altervista.org/macosx.tar.gz
[04:50] <ewhitten> (screenshot time)
[04:50] <randabis> Codename2, yes
[04:50] <randabis> cheesey wheese
[04:50] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hi
[04:51] <ewhitten> thanks randabis :)
[04:51] <membreya> mob_: mount by itself gives
[04:51] <membreya> /dev/sda3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[04:51] <membreya> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[04:51] <membreya> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[04:51] <membreya> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[04:51] <membreya> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[04:51] <membreya> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[04:51] <membreya> /dev/sda5 on /media/windows type ntfs (rw,umask=0222)
[04:51] <blah09> lol randabis, still that screenie?
[04:52] <FauxPasIII> Can somebody show me what apt_preferences needs to look like if I want to have sid sources available in hoary, but _only_ use them for things that aren't in hoary ?
[04:52] <blah09> nice music btw
[04:52] <FauxPasIII> I tried this: "Pin: release l=Debian"
[04:52] <FauxPasIII> But didn't do any good
[04:52] <FauxPasIII> Still getting lots of sid stuff when I dist upgrade.  Even pinned to 0
[04:52] <LesleyB> hello :)
[04:52] <MoB_> and when you do a mount /media/cdrom it says device busy?
[04:53] <membreya> nope, that's when I get:
[04:53] <randabis> blah09, yeah that's the gnome one...I kinda borked xfce by accident using rox-filer
[04:53] <membreya> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda,
[04:53] <membreya>        or too many mounted file systems
[04:53] <blah09> oh =/
[04:53] <LesleyB> I have a question about ppp, /etc/networks/interfaces and pon, plog, poff
[04:53] <sig_ubuntu> randabis: I'm grabbing the debian icon set
[04:53] <sig_ubuntu> off gnome-look.org
[04:53] <sig_ubuntu> looks good
[04:53] <blah09> at least Terminal survived ;)
[04:53] <randabis> heh
[04:53] <MoB_> try "mount -t auto /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom"
[04:53] <randabis> yeah
[04:54] <randabis> xfce still works, but all the window borders are gone and I can't figure out how to get them back
[04:54] <LesleyB> I have an auto dial script in init.d softlinked in rc2.d and at the top it says this method is deprecated in favour of /etc/netwok/interfaces
[04:54] <membreya> new error message MoB_: /dev/cdrom: Invalid argument
[04:54] <zhukov_> sig_ubuntu, the network monitor? Its as close as i have...
[04:54] <MoB_> membreya: ahaha
[04:54] <blah09> i never managed to get icon packs working
[04:55] <sig_ubuntu> zhukov_: odd
[04:55] <sig_ubuntu> let me see
[04:55] <LesleyB> I don't understand what /etc/network/interfaces is for or when it's used during boot up or system restart
[04:55] <MoB_> membreya: mount -t auto /dev/hda /media/cdrom :D
[04:55] <dud> i keep wondering... how can i transcode a bunch of crappy wmv files that i have on my AMD64 computer? with making a 32bit jail for the wmv 32bit codecs?
[04:55] <randabis> blah09, just put them in /home/user/.icons
[04:55] <LesleyB> can anyone enligten me?
[04:55] <blah09> i did =/
[04:55] <blah09> all it did was show those ugly default icons when i pick em
[04:55] <dud> is there a program that can convert wmv without relying on mplayers codecs? or similar?
[04:55] <sig_ubuntu> zhukov_: ok right click your panl and select add to panel
[04:55] <membreya> lol mob_, now it says invalid argument for dev/hda
[04:55] <FauxPasIII> dud - Transcode
[04:55] <dud> something with built-in ability to process wmv
[04:55] <tritium> LesleyB, if your interface is designated "auto" in /etc/network/interfaces, then it's brought up at book.
[04:56] <tritium> LesleyB, by /etc/init.d/networking
[04:56] <sig_ubuntu> it should be at the very bottom named: "wireless link monitor"
[04:56] <ewhitten> randabis:  http://www.pix-ology.com/Screenshot.png
[04:56] <tritium> LesleyB, "man interfaces" for more details
[04:56] <dud> FauxPasIII, sure transcode wont use external codecs for reading the wmv?
[04:56] <LesleyB> right ok tritium that helps a lot ty :))
[04:56] <randabis> LesleyB, it tells the system info about your network interfaces and if specified loads them at bootup
[04:56] <MoB_> where is the cdrom?
[04:56] <ewhitten> just so you all know, I didn't do that to the cat.
[04:56] <membreya> mob_ in the drive? :P
[04:56] <zhukov_> sig_ubuntu, my very last is wastebasket :D
[04:56] <tritium> LesleyB, sure.  Also, the debian reference has useful info.
[04:57] <sig_ubuntu> zhukov_: that is odd dude
[04:57] <FauxPasIII> dud - it uses ffmpeg, same as mplayer, but that's open code.  It does not use any win32 dlls
[04:57] <blah09> argh... must... resist... temptation... to screenie....
[04:57] <LesleyB> if I *haven't* got a softlink to init.d/networking in rc2.d then it won't be called, and I can set the ppp0 interface to call start the firewall?
[04:57] <sig_ubuntu> zhukov_: here is the package name: Wireless Link Monitor 2.8.1
[04:57] <ewhitten> blah09:  to be crude, it's just a little like penis measuring.
[04:57] <sig_ubuntu> search it on google.
[04:57] <ewhitten> ...
[04:57] <LesleyB> ok tritium I think I downloaded that last nite so I'll go hunt there
[04:57] <blah09> rofl
[04:57] <zhukov_> thanks :D
[04:57] <LesleyB> ty :))
[04:57] <blah09> that it is ;)
[04:57] <dud> FauxPasIII, [tcprobe]  advanced streaming format ASF
[04:57] <dud> [tcprobe]  filetype/codec not yet supported by 'transcode'
[04:57] <LesleyB> bbfn
[04:57] <dud> as i thought :/
[04:57] <blah09> the geek version of it
[04:58] <randabis> ewhitten, nice
[04:58] <sig_ubuntu> brb
[04:58] <ewhitten> but unlike the other measuring, I usually get good ideas from looking at other peoples' junk.
[04:58] <dud> for wmv in ASF format, one needs win32 dll i suppose
[04:58] <ewhitten> junk = screenshot. :)
[04:58] <MoB_> membreya: where is in /dev/
[04:58] <ewhitten> just clearing that up.
[04:58] <FauxPasIII> dud - bizarre... build-time options perhaps.  I build transcode from cvs and it supports /everything/
[04:58] <FauxPasIII> dud - you can also call ffmpeg directly
[04:58] <dud> ill do some googling...
[04:58] <FauxPasIII> dud - don't know much about the interface
[04:59] <membreya> the cdrom is /dev/hda
[04:59] <FauxPasIII> good luck.
[04:59] <dud> ffplay -stats failed :/
[04:59] <membreya> membreya@diab:/media/cdrom0 $ dmesg |grep CD
[04:59] <membreya> hda: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[04:59] <membreya> hda: ATAPI 40X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 2000kB Cache
[04:59] <membreya> Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
[04:59] <Mirv> hmm, where's the community council?
[04:59] <ewhitten> mmm..  munchkins and coffee.  breakfast of ubuntu champions.
[04:59] <randabis> ha I ate pizza
[05:00] <ewhitten> damn you.  now I want pizza.
[05:01] <shock> argh!
[05:01] <shock> me too
[05:01] <shock> i luv pizza
[05:01] <shock> :/
[05:01] <randabis> I grabbed a frozen one from the freezer lol
[05:01] <ewhitten> so out of curiosity, where's everyone from?
[05:01] <randabis> I always add extra cheese to those though
[05:01] <randabis> houston, tx
[05:01] <ewhitten> ooh, fancy.
[05:01] <piooo> katowice, Poland
[05:02] <evarlast> Detroit, MI
[05:02] <jdub> sydney, australia
[05:02] <EvanCarroll> houston,tx
[05:02] <randabis> ha
[05:02] <EvanCarroll> im still here though =/
[05:02] <membreya> tritium: did you remember to take a left at albuquerue?
[05:02] <Xappe> i like it dark :) http://www.delta.se/~jon/Screenshot4.png
[05:02] <membreya> sorry
[05:03] <membreya> bad bugs bunny joke
[05:03] <tritium> membreya, :0
[05:03] <tritium> :)
[05:03] <membreya> :P
[05:03] <ewhitten> jdub:  are you the same jdub, as in gnome.org/~jdub/ ?
[05:03] <jdub> yes
[05:03] <dud> fucking windows WM9 format files :(
[05:03] <dud> damn it hehe
[05:03] <tritium> membreya, I'm one of the Albuquerque Isotopes :)
[05:03] <ewhitten> jdub:  nice!  I've been coming across your page for years now.
[05:03] <membreya> lol tritium :P
[05:04] <randabis> all your screenshots are so small :p probably cause I use 1280X1024
[05:04] <EvanCarroll> randabis: What part of houston? im on the north east side
[05:04] <randabis> northwest
[05:04] <acs_> ewhitten, can u tell me who I go to compile stuff I am still new to this but I do know a bit of programming in c
[05:04] <acs_> please
[05:04] <randabis> 290/HW6 area
[05:04] <membreya> gone to sleep on me MoB_? :P
[05:05] <ewhitten> ewhitten:  you'll need to install the gcc and g++ packages.
[05:05] <zhukov_> sig_ubuntu, well i cant find that package nowere...
[05:05] <chillywilly> ajmitch: boo
[05:05] <randabis> you need to build-essential metapackage to compile
[05:05] <EvanCarroll> randabis: Im atascocita/kingwood area, -- auctually in humble.
[05:05] <randabis> to =the
[05:05] <ewhitten> randabis:  thanks, couldn't remember the name :)
[05:05] <randabis> EvanCarroll, ah, been through there
[05:05] <acs_> ewhitten, I thought that came installed
[05:05] <acs_> were can I get them?
[05:06] <EvanCarroll> Are you still working/living in houston?
[05:06] <randabis> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:06] <blah09> hm.
[05:06] <blah09> http://server3.uploadit.org/files/hizz99-080205.jpg
[05:06] <blah09> sigh.
[05:06] <ewhitten> acs_  :  or use synaptic.
[05:06] <ewhitten> blah09:  couldn't resist, could you?
[05:06] <MoB_> membreya: im thinking
[05:06] <blah09> nope =(
[05:06] <randabis> Not working presently, looking for work, but yeah been here for a while
[05:06] <blah09> now its out in the open
[05:06] <membreya> lol MoB_ :P
[05:06] <acs_> what is that? if you could explain or just give me a web site to read
[05:06] <acs_> please I am still new to all this :)
[05:07] <ewhitten> acs_ :  have you checked out www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[05:07] <ewhitten> that's a good place to start for pretty much anything. :)
[05:07] <infinito> does anybody know why hoary restricted repositories give me md5sums errors??
[05:07] <acs_> ewhitten, going to do that now
[05:07] <acs_> thanks
[05:08] <ewhitten> blah09:  that is one very large terminal. :)
[05:08] <membreya> why does cpufreq show my amd 64 3200+ at 1ghz?
[05:08] <EvanCarroll> randabis: ah, me as well, auctually i just joined the Houston linux meetup group, among others on meetup.com -- you should sign up see what it's all about
[05:08] <ewhitten> acs_ : np.
[05:08] <blah09> haha you think?
[05:09] <blah09> but you have a massive monitor dont you
[05:09] <randabis> EvanCarroll, I've heard of it before...I might give it a whirl in the future
[05:09] <ewhitten> blah09:  haha, actually no.  this is a laptop, just happens to have a native 1600x1200
[05:09] <blah09> nice =)
[05:09] <membreya> my poor boinc client is taking ages to do WUs
[05:09] <ewhitten> blah09:  yes, my old company bought it for me, then they dot-com-busted, so...
[05:09] <blah09> hehe
[05:10] <evarlast> good lord, what kind of laptop?
[05:10] <blah09> lol
[05:10] <sig_ubuntu> zhukov_: let me search around for you
[05:10] <sig_ubuntu> that is odd
[05:10] <sig_ubuntu> zhukov_: gnome-applets -v
[05:10] <ewhitten> evarlast:  dell c840, 2.4Ghz.
[05:10] <ewhitten> but 2GB of RAM :)
[05:10] <membreya> nice ewhitten :)
[05:10] <blah09> is that the mobile workstation one?
[05:11] <EvanCarroll> infinito: i too get thjose errors, GPG error on ftp.tux.org unstable archive NO_PUBKEY something or other
[05:11] <njan> ewhitten, I prefer 1680x1050 :)
[05:11] <membreya> cmon..my cpu is 2.2ghz..why's it saying 1ghz
[05:11] <membreya> damn you ubuntu
[05:11] <randabis> damn, ur 2GB pwns my 312MB
[05:11] <membreya> why are you thieving me!
[05:11] <randabis> 512
[05:11] <njan> membreya, did you power up without the power adapter plugged in?
[05:11] <sig_ubuntu> zhukov_: you still here?
[05:11] <rubenv> membreya: speedstepping, is it a laptop?
[05:11] <membreya> njan: its a PC :)
[05:11] <chillywilly> my ubuntu stole my 1GB RAM
[05:11] <njan> membreya, that's really weird.
[05:11] <chillywilly> tells me I only have 906MB
[05:11] <randabis> it's probably using powernowd
[05:11] <rubenv> chillywilly: you need highmem
[05:12] <randabis> desktop Athlon64s support cool n' quiet
[05:12] <membreya> randabis: you mean "cool'n'quiet?
[05:12] <ceu> I've recompiled the kernel (2.6.10), using make-kpkg --initrd. What's this message: "device-mapper: dm-linear: Device lookup failed"  ?
[05:12] <tritium> chillywilly, that's on the FAQ
[05:12] <randabis> membreya, yes, but the daemon that controls it is called powernowd
[05:12] <chillywilly> I figured that
[05:12] <chillywilly> haven't had time to deal with it
[05:12] <membreya> oh ok, should I disable cool n' quiet in the BIOS? will that take the stepping back up to 2.2ghz?
[05:13] <randabis> it should
[05:13] <membreya> back soon then :)
[05:13] <LarryT-ubuntu> i need some help please ;)
[05:13] <sig_ubuntu> zhukov_: yo
[05:13] <randabis> or you could kill the powernowd daemon...pick your poison
[05:13] <infinito> EvanCarroll, the problem has just "magically" dissappear
[05:14] <EvanCarroll> infinito: thats the best way to get rid of them. magic.
[05:14] <ewhitten> my laptop speedsteps down to 1.2Ghz or so, even when I'm plugged in.  But it seems to come all the way back up when it needs it.
[05:14] <randabis> heh
[05:14] <LarryT-ubuntu> yep :) it is (still) about apt-get and proxy configuration ...
[05:15] <LarryT-ubuntu> is there any means to do this ?
[05:15] <EvanCarroll> LarryT-ubuntu: you want to just proxy apt or the whole system?
[05:15] <LarryT-ubuntu> both, why not ? :)
[05:15] <LarryT-ubuntu> just apt for the moment
[05:15] <LarryT-ubuntu> please :)
[05:16] <neofeed> Okay I got this problem: I have two files that have common lines. Now I want to have only those common lines. how am I about to do that?
[05:16] <dud> LarryT-ubuntu, aptmirror?
[05:16] <membreya> ROFL: cpu stepping is now reporting my CPU at 6.11ghz
[05:16] <randabis> you could probably comment out everything except those 2 lines
[05:16] <EvanCarroll> LarryT-ubuntu: the problem is im not sure you can do 'just apt', because apt doesn't have proxy support to my knowledge you would have to use a lower level of abstraction like ipchains or such, and then it would apply to everything not just apt
[05:16] <LinuxJones> neofeed, have a look @ the man page for diff
[05:17] <LarryT-ubuntu> on fedroa or knoppix there is a apt.conf file in witch one can put some informations about proxy, but there no file like this in ubuntu :(
[05:17] <neofeed> LinuxJones, I did but didn't figure out how to :/
[05:17] <membreya> 7.58ghz..kick a$$
[05:17] <randabis> haha
[05:17] <EvanCarroll> membreya: have you tried turning off powernow.d and removing it entirly?
[05:17] <ewhitten> membreya:  which amd64 do you have?
[05:17] <membreya> 3200+
[05:17] <membreya> no OC
[05:17] <ewhitten> nice.
[05:18] <membreya> I've gotten it to 2.6ghz
[05:18] <ewhitten> I just picked one of those up, but my amd64 is still in windows land.
[05:18] <LarryT-ubuntu> EvanCarroll :how to do this ?
[05:18] <membreya> but I don't want to kill it
[05:18] <ArdieM> i dont get it... how can i install the ati drivers for ubuntu amd64 ??
[05:18] <suifur> lol
[05:18] <EvanCarroll> LarryT-ubuntu: man ipchains
[05:18] <LarryT-ubuntu> gonna see. thx :)
[05:19] <Xappe> LarryT-ubuntu, you can set proxy in the synaptic prefs, but I don't know if that would be for just synaptic or the whole apt thing
[05:19] <EvanCarroll> LarryT-ubuntu: why not just make an apt.conf if thats wat you wan't?
[05:19] <LarryT-ubuntu> Xappe : thx, but i do prefer apt :)
[05:19] <membreya> hmmm how do I remove powernowd
[05:20] <ewhitten> membreya;  apt-get remove powernowd ?
[05:20] <ewhitten> or remove it in synaptic
[05:20] <LarryT-ubuntu> i try but i get some erro messages : may be this is something else. May i paste my error message ?
[05:20] <EvanCarroll> LarryT-ubuntu: i was wrong, you can proxy just apt: see man apt.conf
[05:20] <EvanCarroll> LarryT-ubuntu: in #pastebin
[05:20] <ewhitten> ArideM:  what card do you have?
[05:20] <EvanCarroll> membreya: i believe its update.rcd
[05:20] <Xappe> i thought that synaptic was just a frontend...
[05:21] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux64.html?type=64linux&prodType=graphic&prod=products64LINUXdriver&submit.x=5&submit.y=10&submit=GO%21
[05:21] <EvanCarroll> membreya: man update-rc.d
[05:21] <membreya> nope..uninstalled it and it stopped it...but cpufreq is still showing it flicking between 0 and 7.7ghz
[05:21] <ArthurMaciel> hi there.
[05:21] <tritium> membreya, /etc/init.d./powernowd stop
[05:22] <ArdieM> membreya: you are to kind ^^ you should do that hehe because its the wrong. you just get .rpm there. i have a how to but i just dont get it... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:22] <ewhitten> ArthurMaciel:  mornin
[05:22] <ArdieM> i dont know what to type @ sudo apt-get install linux-686
[05:22] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  it was me that said it.
[05:22] <ArthurMaciel> do you have any opinions about ubuntu on laptops?
[05:22] <ewhitten> ArthurMaciel:  I'm running it on mine right now.
[05:22] <tritium> membreya, run above with sudo, of course
[05:23] <ArdieM> ewhitten: ooouuhh sorry ^^
[05:23] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  do you have hoary?
[05:23] <ArdieM> yes
[05:23] <ewhitten> okay, and you're stuck on getting your kernel?
[05:23] <ArthurMaciel> which is yours ewhitten?
[05:23] <goldfish_> ArthurMaciel: me too
[05:23] <ArdieM> sudo apt-get install linux-2.6.10-3-amd64-generic
[05:24] <ewhitten> ArthurMaciel:  dell latitude c840.   http://www.pix-ology.com/Screenshot.png
[05:24] <ArdieM> like this ?
[05:24] <ArdieM> uname -r or not ?
[05:24] <marcin_ant> ArthurMaciel: me too - but I don't know what kind of opinion you expect
[05:24] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  one sec.
[05:24] <ArthurMaciel> marcin_ant: if it is fast, stable.. etc..
[05:25] <ArthurMaciel> easy to upgrade..
[05:25] <ArthurMaciel> if it does support the drivers..
[05:25] <ArthurMaciel> for APM, pcmcia..
[05:25] <ArdieM> e-Jah: Couldn't find package linux-2.6.10-3-amd64-generic
[05:25] <membreya> tritium: doing sudo /etc/init.d./powernowd stop I get powernowd not found
[05:26] <marcin_ant> ArthurMaciel: ubuntu is fast, it's pretty stable, easy to upgrade with apt-get - there is no difference here between ubuntu on desktop and laptop
[05:26] <marcin_ant> ArthurMaciel: and about drivers... hmm hard to say
[05:26] <tritium> membreya, did you remove it?
[05:27] <marcin_ant> ArthurMaciel: I didn't have any serious problems
[05:27] <tritium> membreya, if you did, then you'll just have to kill the running process
[05:27] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  I'm not seeing a correct package.  give me a couple mins. to hunt around. :)
[05:27] <marcin_ant> ArthurMaciel: but ubuntu can be annoying on laptop when you are "mobile" person
[05:27] <ArdieM> ewhitten: ill give as much mins as you want ^^ thanks 4 helpin me
[05:28] <ArthurMaciel> what do you mean with "mobile" person, marcin_ant?
[05:28] <membreya> tritium: i reinstalled it
[05:28] <marcin_ant> ArthurMaciel: I mean for example when you move your laptop from place to place and need to use different network connections
[05:28] <membreya> but it doesnt appear to be running
[05:29] <marcin_ant> ArthurMaciel: to get access to internet
[05:29] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:  I don't have any issues.  If I need to hunt for a wireless AP, I can just drop to a term and do a iwlist eth1 scanning
[05:29] <marcin_ant> ArthurMaciel: these aren't "laptop" specific issues
[05:29] <suifur> just write a shell script to restart the network services ;)
[05:30] <socketbind> howdy, does anybody have strange errors with wine-2005xxxx version?
[05:30] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: if there are issues it depends from this how much advanced user you are
[05:30] <socketbind> like a bunch of this: err:module:import_dll Library OLE32.dll (which is needed by L"C:\\windows\\shelllink.exe") not found
[05:30] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  open up synaptic and search for amd64.   You should at the least grab the kernel-headers and kernel-image for amd64-generic
[05:30] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: personally I can deal with these issues - but for beginner they are annoying
[05:31] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:  true.  also, knowing whether or not your card will work immediately helps as well.
[05:31] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: short example - you can create ppp connections in network-admin gui
[05:32] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: but this interface doesn't support AT init strings for modems
[05:32] <ewhitten> right.  I guess I haven't needed to use ppp in years.  city life makes for easy wireless connections
[05:32] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: so currently there is no way to configure gprs connection with network-admin
[05:33] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: advanced user will propably use ppp-chat scripts from term but for beginner this is annoying
[05:33] <ArdieM> ewhitten: there is no package containing amd64... theres only 1 containing amd:
[05:33] <ArdieM> Dummy package for upgrades
[05:33] <ArdieM> In Debian 2.2 and below the BSD automounter was provided by this package.
[05:33] <ArdieM> Starting with Debian 3.0 ("woody"), this is provided by the am-utils package.
[05:33] <ArdieM> You may remove this package at any time.
[05:33] <ArthurMaciel> thank you marcin_ant..
[05:33] <ArthurMaciel> and ewhitten..
[05:33] <ArthurMaciel> for your help.
[05:33] <ewhitten> anytime.
[05:34] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  do you have universe / mutliverse repositories?
[05:34] <dud> i get a bunch of packs when apt-cache search amd64
[05:34] <ArdieM> ewhitten: is there any text file 4 the repos @ synaptic ? the menu is confuding me
[05:34] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:35] <ArdieM> ill paste my sources @ nopaste. 1 mom please
[05:35] <Mabus> Greetings .. I'm experiencing very frequent flickers on my screen - anyone have any hints to what I could try?
[05:35] <Mabus> I'm running hoary on a ATI radeon with fglrx, btw.
[05:36] <goldfish_> oh
[05:36] <goldfish_> I am getting those too.
[05:36] <goldfish_> Running nvidia on warty.
[05:36] <ArdieM> ewhitten: aahh i just type amd64 and it didnt find but when i search with ctrl+f it finds alot
[05:36] <Mabus> goldfish_: so perhaps it's an xorg problem ?
[05:36] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  that's the idea.
[05:36] <Mabus> I mean, a general one at that.
[05:37] <ArdieM> im sorry
[05:37] <ArdieM> im dumb ^
[05:37] <goldfish_> I am not using xorg.
[05:37] <Mabus> goldfish_: right
[05:37] <goldfish_> :?
[05:37] <Mabus> what could it be then ?
[05:37] <goldfish_> No idea :/
[05:37] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  no prob.
[05:37] <Mabus> ewhitten: are you experiencing flickering ?
[05:37] <marcin_ant> ArthurMaciel: your welcome - ubuntu is really nice - but can be annoying on laptop with multiple network connections - eth, wifi, bluetooth, gprs over bluetooth etc.
[05:37] <ewhitten> not at all.
[05:37] <Mabus> bah
[05:37] <Mabus> daniels: know anything about flickering ? me and goldfish_ here are experiencing it.
[05:37] <randabis> no flickers here either
[05:38] <Mabus> bah
[05:38] <randabis> possibly your refresh rates
[05:38] <Mabus> daniels: I'm running xorg/hoary with the fglrx driver. I tried the standard ati driver, and had the issue there as well.
[05:38] <Mabus> yes, I considered that ..
[05:38] <Mabus> hmm
[05:38] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: what do you mean with "city life makes for easy wireless connections" ?
[05:38] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  try installing the fglrx-* packages and see what else synaptic wants you to pull in.
[05:39] <Anubis> anyone using tor and privoxy together
[05:39] <Anubis> ?
[05:39] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:  I never need to use GPRS or dial-up.  Standing just about anywhere, I can usually find between 3 and 20 open AP's
[05:39] <acs_> hello to all
[05:39] <goldfish_> hi
[05:40] <Anubis> ?join #privoxy
[05:40] <ArdieM> ewhitten: this one?
[05:40] <ArdieM> ATI binary kernel module source
[05:40] <ArdieM> This package builds the ATI XFree86 4.x/X.Org binary kernel module needed
[05:40] <ArdieM> by xorg-driver-fglrx/xfree86-driver-fglrx.  This package is not needed on an
[05:40] <ArdieM> Ubuntu system because a pre-compiled kernel module is supplied by the
[05:40] <ArdieM> linux-restricted-modules  packages.
[05:41] <ewhitten> okay, go get the linux-restricted-modules package for your kernel version. :)
[05:42] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: in what city?
[05:42] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:  boston/cambridge
[05:42] <ewhitten> but I'm moving to philly in a few months.  we'll see how it is.
[05:42] <ArdieM> ewhitten: Non-free Linux 2.6.10 modules on x86_64 generic <-- they are already installed
[05:43] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: yeah, right... imagine that there is also life outside usa ;)
[05:43] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  okay, good.  are you using xfree86 or xorg?
[05:43] <ArdieM> xfree
[05:43] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:  you're kidding me? :-P
[05:44] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  keep going with the setup instructions then.
[05:44] <ArdieM> now should i install the fglrx-kernel-source
[05:44] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: in my city I propably could find some AP too - but not opened AP
[05:44] <ewhitten> you shouldn't need it, no.
[05:44] <ArdieM> ok
[05:44] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:  what city is that? Sorry if you already said.
[05:45] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: Pozna, Poland
[05:45] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: we have a lot of wireless networks here
[05:45] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:  gotcha.  do people generally close their AP's off?
[05:46] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: but they are restricted to their users
[05:46] <Mabus> how do I enable xrandr ?
[05:46] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: absolutely
[05:47] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:I think people are lazier about it here.  I can sit in a hotel room or an apartment building and have a choice of several, most named "linksys," "wireless," "default," etc.
[05:48] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: it's propably because bandwidth is cheap in usa
[05:48] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:  also true.  how much do people there usually pay?
[05:49] <Mabus> It's quite cool; a taxi driver in Oslo always had a laptop and GPS device with him in the car, and mapped up all the wireless networks in the city during 1 month (or something) .. He identified and connected to 30.000 networks.
[05:49] <Mabus> ewhitten, marcin_ant ^
[05:49] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: pay for what?
[05:49] <Mabus> (of course, he also plotted them all on a map, thanks to his GPS device)
[05:49] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:  for a broadband connection?
[05:50] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: it depends
[05:51] <hummm> hello. i wrote a .fluxrc in which i have some fluxbox specific settings. how can i get this file to be source automatically on login?
[05:51] <ewhitten> not sure if my exchange rates are current. ;)
[05:51] <hummm> sourced*
[05:52] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: go away!!! :)
[05:52] <crimsun> hummm: what sort of file is .fluxrc?
[05:52] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: in our bigger provider
[05:52] <crimsun> hummm: is it specific to fluxbox (e.g., read only on fluxbox execution)?
[05:53] <hummm> crimsun: yeah, i just set my background there and x keymap and start gnome-settings-daemon
[05:53] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: tpsa we have adsl connection for $40 640kbps
[05:53] <ja> ewhitten: marcin_ant 22$ for 128kb/s here :(
[05:53] <crimsun> hummm: doesn't fluxbox provide functionality to parse such a file on initial execution regardless?
[05:54] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: and $60 for 1MB
[05:54] <tritium> so, "piece of piss" means easy?  It sounds a little derogatory.
[05:54] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:  ouch, I'm sorry. :(
[05:54] <goldfish_> lol
[05:54] <hummm> crimsun: i have been reading the flux manual quite a lot lately. i'll check it again.
[05:54] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: I pay $60 for 512kbps
[05:55] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: but I got 512/512 not adsl
[05:55] <ewhitten> My roommate works for a video game company.  They have an OC3 connection for only about 50 people.  That's 155Mbit/sec.
[05:55] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: which is 1MB/256kbps
[05:56] <ewhitten> it's ridiculous.
[05:56] <randabis> our cable is roughly 3-4Mbit down, 300kbps up or better
[05:56] <ewhitten> randabis:  who's your provider?
[05:56] <randabis> roadrunner
[05:56] <dud> i pay about $50 for 3Mbit/700Kbit
[05:56] <randabis> I don't know how much my dad pays a month though
[05:57] <randabis> plus we have digital cable too so...
[05:57] <goldfish_> jesus, we pay 39 euro per month for 512/128 kbs
[05:57] <ewhitten> I have comcast... over the last six months, we went from 3 to 4 to 6.
[05:57] <ewhitten> goldfish_ :  where are you located?
[05:57] <goldfish_> Ireland.
[05:57] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: we have these prices because criminals from our goverment sold out out bigger telecom to criminals from France
[05:57] <ewhitten> My uncle in Germany pays about that as well.
[05:57] <dud> scandinavia generally has fast and cheap broadband
[05:57] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:  Ah, another reason to love the French.  They hate the internet! ;)
[05:58] <goldfish_> Hopefully we will get some cheap fast lines soon :)
[05:58] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: no they have lower prices in France
[05:59] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: but they think that EU is a kind of a modern colonisation :(
[06:00] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:  well, with any luck, that will change in the future.
[06:00] <blah09> hm
[06:00] <blah09> i pay about 20eur for 2000/192
[06:00] <ewhitten> I do like Poland, though.  They've been pretty good about the Software Patents push there.
[06:00] <blah09> yep
[06:00] <marcin_ant> blah09: what country?
[06:00] <blah09> germany
[06:01] <blah09> argh no 25
[06:01] <blah09> i keep forgetting the 5 bucks/month for the 2mbit upgrade
[06:01] <ewhitten> whereabouts?  I have a lot of family there :)
[06:01] <blah09> heidelberg
[06:01] <ewhitten> they're just outside Stuttgart.
[06:01] <blah09> thats pretty nearby
[06:01] <marcin_ant> hmm and I'm affraid to ask about gprs connections ;)
[06:01] <ewhitten> cool.  I'll be there this fall.
[06:01] <marcin_ant> we have really ridiculous prices here
[06:02] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:  in the US?
[06:02] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: yup
[06:02] <blah09> dont they have unlimited data plans in the US?
[06:02] <blah09> i wish they would hurry up and roll out reasonably priced 3G here
[06:02] <ewhitten> somewhat, but data pricing is a little weird for cellular.
[06:02] <blah09> ewhitten: for the IAA? ;)
[06:03] <ewhitten> blah09:  Internationale Automobil-Ausstellung? ;)
[06:04] <blah09> yep =)
[06:04] <ewhitten> nope.  just visiting family, then off traveling around.  probably to Muenchen for a bit.
[06:04] <blah09> oh ok
[06:04] <blah09> =)
[06:04] <blah09> you could use the US international layout
[06:04] <sri|work> sup folks
[06:05] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:  ready?
[06:05] <blah09> my notebook has an english keyboard too =/
[06:05] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: yes :)
[06:06] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: I'm sitting :)
[06:06] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:  unlimited:  $80USD/month...  40MB:  $50/month
[06:06] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:  looking on speed now.  stupid spread-out country has terrible coverage. :)
[06:06] <Jelte> hi there... could anyone tell me how i change the window theme in ubuntu?  getting a bit bored of the rectangle brown standard look ;-)
[06:07] <ewhitten> Cingular goes up to about 135kbps
[06:07] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: hmmm it's not cheap at all...
[06:07] <ewhitten> Jelte:  Desktop -> Preferences -> Theme -> Theme Details
[06:07] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: you mean unlimited - $80/month at 135kbps?
[06:08] <Jelte> ewhitten, aahh duh... and there i was looking at 'Desktop -> Pref -> windows'   ;-)   thanks
[06:08] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:  yup.  that's just Cingular, though.  (my provider).  not sure about T-Mobile
[06:08] <marcin_ant> and what is this... 40MB - $50/month?
[06:09] <ArdieM> how can i see that im using the ati driver ?
[06:09] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:  data plans are limited by your overall traffic.  You're only allowed to use 40MB of traffic/month.  Beyond that, the overuse charges are insane.
[06:09] <Jelte> ewhitten, just to understand, those are GDM themes?
[06:09] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  lsmod ?
[06:09] <hummm> crimsun: cant find anything
[06:09] <ewhitten> Jelte:  nope.  GDM themes are found elsewhere.
[06:10] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: heh this is really stupid situation :)
[06:10] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: we have 3 GSM providers here
[06:10] <ewhitten> Jelte:  welcome to America's wireless plans.
[06:10] <Jelte> ewhitten, ah, so what kind of themes are these? and where can i find more?  (i asked cuz i found GDM themes in gnome-look.org)
[06:10] <ewhitten> Jelte:  sorry, wrong person. :)
[06:10] <Jelte> ewhitten, i figured ;-)
[06:10] <ewhitten> Jelte:  these are gnome/metacity/icon themes
[06:11] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: and two of them have incredible stupid prices - something like $0,30/ 1MB
[06:11] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:  we used to have several, but a lot of them have merged or are in the process of doing it.
[06:11] <ewhitten> Jelte:  you can also look at art.gnome.org
[06:11] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: so you can count - your 40MB will be $12
[06:11] <ewhitten> that site will also have instructions on how to install them.
[06:11] <ewhitten> marcin_ant:  nice.
[06:11] <Jelte> ewhitten, ah, so icon themes include the window art?  ta
[06:12] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: while we have only one provider which offers unlimited gprs
[06:12] <ewhitten> but I make up the difference by keeping my butt at home and on cable. ;)
[06:12] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: $20/month
[06:12] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: 115kbps
[06:12] <Jelte> ewhitten, i see they are a combination of icon and metacity themes?
[06:12] <ewhitten> now if we could all just get that nice NTT DoCoMo stuff.
[06:12] <ewhitten> Jelte:  are you looking at the main Theme window?
[06:13] <ewhitten> and not theme details?
[06:13] <Jelte> ewhitten, yeah... the grand canyon is nice, but i thought there might be more online somewhere?
[06:13] <ewhitten> Jelte:  these main themes are a combination of icons, metacity, and gnome/gtk
[06:14] <marcin_ant> ewhitten: and we have EDGE (3G) here - 384kbps - but prices are pretty high
[06:14] <Jelte> ewhitten, and can i donwload more of these "main themes" in one go?
[06:14] <ewhitten> Jelte:  I'm not sure that a lot of people design full themes.  Usually you find pieces and then assemble as you like them.
[06:14] <confrey> hi everybody
[06:14] <hummm> Jelte: gnome-look.org
[06:14] <goldfish_> hi
[06:15] <confrey> how can I use a firewire cdwriter?
[06:15] <ewhitten> Jelte:  http://www.pix-ology.com/Screenshot.png
[06:15] <ewhitten> that's Industrial controls, MCity-Hacked window borders, and Suede icons
[06:15] <ewhitten> just my taste :)
[06:15] <randabis-laptop> tastes like chicken
[06:16] <Jelte> ewhitten, nice... i like the window borders
[06:16] <ewhitten> haha funny.
[06:16] <ArdieM> is is possible to get a radeon 9800 work ?
[06:16] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  ATI's site lists that card as supported under their driver.
[06:16] <randabis-laptop> i gotta figure out how to prevent system sounds from being recorded when I record stuff with my mic
[06:17] <ewhitten> randabis-laptop:  turn off system sound events? ;)
[06:17] <redrum> can someone help me get my windows partition to be able to boot?
[06:17] <ArdieM> ex: i got through the hw to
[06:17] <RU63> i have a problem with GAIM.  everytime i try to send someone a filem, or accept a file.. GAIM closes.
[06:17] <ArdieM> but i think its not working
[06:17] <redrum> i just installed warty, then upgraded to hoary, but the boot loader didn't set up to allow booting to windoze...
[06:17] <randabis-laptop> ewhitten, yeah, but I should be able to select an output to record from like you can in windows
[06:18] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  did you make the change to your X configuration to use the binary driver instead of the generic "ATI"?
[06:18] <ewhitten> ati, rather
[06:19] <ArdieM> yes i did a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"
[06:19] <ArdieM> and selected fglrx
[06:19] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  is the module loaded?
[06:19] <ArdieM> i dont think so
[06:19] <randabis-laptop> the main reason this is a bother is because if I want to do multitrack recording with full duplex it will record the track that is playing back in addition to the track being recorded...that's bad
[06:19] <confrey> how can I use a firewire cdwriter?
[06:20] <hummm> http://www.student.oulu.fi/~savaisan/stuff/fluxbox.jpg << my fluxbox
[06:20] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  from the guide:  To load the kernel module immediately, run sudodepmod-a;sudomodprobefglrx
[06:20] <ewhitten> hummm:  not a fan of black, but still nice.
[06:20] <ArdieM> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-3-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): No such device
[06:21] <hummm> ewhitten: i like minimalistic and darkish approach :)
[06:21] <mjt> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[06:21] <randabis-laptop> fglrx might be 32bit only...dunno
[06:21] <mjt> anyone know what's going on?
[06:21] <ewhitten> hummm:  minimalistic, definitely.  I just tend to come from a light approach. ;)
[06:21] <hummm> ewhitten: hehe :)
[06:21] <ewhitten> randabis-laptop:  ATI's site lists drivers for amd-64
[06:21] <crimsun> fglrx in hoary works with amd64
[06:21] <crimsun> fglrx in warty does not.
[06:22] <ewhitten> crimsun: any experience to help?  He is running hoary.
[06:22] <randabis-laptop> there you have it
[06:22] <crimsun> ewhitten: I wish I did, but I have no amd64+ati machines.
[06:22] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  you are running Hoary, you said?
[06:22] <ArdieM> yes
[06:22] <ArdieM> how can i check that ?
[06:22] <ewhitten> I have one, but it's still in Windows.
[06:22] <tritium> cat /etc/issue
[06:22] <crimsun> ArdieM: your kernel confirms you're running hoary
[06:22] <ArdieM> i mean i replaced warthy with hoary @ sources.list and did a dist-upgrade
[06:24] <randabis-laptop> you're postive the dist-upgrade completed without error and you rebooted afterward?
[06:24] <Xappe> ArdieM, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14530
[06:24] <ArdieM> i had some errors
[06:24] <Infernal_Demon> hey
[06:24] <Infernal_Demon> in ubuntu
[06:24] <ArdieM> but i just did it again with -f
[06:24] <ArdieM> now evrything is working fine
[06:24] <Infernal_Demon> is there anyway to make it faster like in windows where u can disable all the visual themes
[06:24] <randabis-laptop> you rebooted?
[06:24] <ArdieM> expect ati ^
[06:24] <ArdieM> yes
[06:25] <redrum> How do I set up grub to allow me to boot my windows partition?
[06:25] <shock> is anyone here familiar with osX? cause i need to find out what gl extensions are suported
[06:25] <ewhitten> hmm.
[06:25] <Infernal_Demon> it is really slow
[06:25] <randabis-laptop> Infernal_Demon, you could use a lighter environment like XFCE or fluxbox
[06:26] <ewhitten> RE:  ATI/AMD64 issue:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8993
[06:26] <ewhitten> that might be a good thread to read.  I'm doing so now.
[06:26] <hummm> Infernal_Demon: fluxbox definitely :)
[06:26] <Infernal_Demon> and how do I change to that?
[06:27] <ArdieM> me2
[06:27] <tritium> redrum, it should be setup that way already.
[06:27] <hummm> Infernal_Demon: install it off the synaptic
[06:27] <randabis-laptop> sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[06:27] <hummm> should come up in the gdm
[06:27] <ewhitten> although, that's a lot of custom kernel config stuff.  could be tricky.
[06:27] <Infernal_Demon> hummm what is synapti???
[06:27] <ewhitten> oi.
[06:27] <tritium> front end to apt
[06:28] <ewhitten> ooh.
[06:28] <hummm> ewhitten: going to boston?
[06:28] <ewhitten> hummm:  I live there.
[06:29] <hummm> ewhitten: oh, that's cool
[06:29] <hummm> i was there few years back
[06:29] <hummm> for 4 weeks
[06:29] <[Spooky] > im curious... is there a way to compile Vlc with like apt-get ?
[06:30] <ewhitten> hummm:  how'd you like it?  I actually live in Cambridge, over by MIT.
[06:30] <jcoxon77> I live in Cambridge, UK ;-)
[06:30] <Kyaneos> hi
[06:30] <tritium> [Spooky] , with additional packages installed, you can apt-get source --build
[06:31] <ewhitten> jcoxon77:  nice.  how is that one?
[06:31] <Kyaneos> what is array 4??
[06:31] <hummm> ewhitten: very nice
[06:31] <[Spooky] > tritium: hm  ok...
[06:31] <jcoxon77> ewhitten: its very nice
[06:31] <ewhitten> one of my roommates works at MIT, doing genetic research.  i.e.  using the mouse guillotine.
[06:31] <goldfish_> it's easy to get vlc with synaptic
[06:31] <hummm> ewhitten: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~savaisan/pictures/100_0059.jpg
[06:32] <[Spooky] > goldfish_: how ?
[06:33] <ewhitten> hummm:  that's a great picture.  I live about 3 blocks from the left edge of that bridge in the foreground :)
[06:33] <shock> is there anything like glxinfo for osX?
[06:33] <tritium> [Spooky] , apt-get install
[06:33] <hummm> ewhitten: nice one :)
[06:33] <Kyaneos> what is array 4?? please
[06:34] <ewhitten> Kyaneos:  I think it might be a beta?  I'm guessing here, but that's what it looks like.
[06:34] <goldfish_> [Spooky] : In GNOME Desktop Enviornment (universe) section - Gnome vlc
[06:34] <[Spooky] > tritium: hm isnt apt-get and synaptic two diffrent programes ?
[06:34] <ewhitten> hummm:  mind if I grab a copy of this picture?
[06:34] <Kyaneos> ok
[06:34] <tritium> [Spooky] , synaptic is a front end to apt
[06:34] <Kyaneos> thank you very much ewhitten
[06:34] <hummm> ewhitten: go ahead
[06:34] <tritium> [Spooky] , vlc is in universe.  Make sure you've enabled it.
[06:34] <ewhitten> Kyaneos:  no problem.  Hoary isn't scheduled for release until April, I think.
[06:35] <ewhitten> hummm:  thanks.  I move away in about 3-4 months.  Going to miss this city. :)
[06:35] <hummm> i would probably miss it too :)
[06:36] <ArdieM> i hate hardware
[06:36] <ArdieM> :)
[06:36] <[Spooky] > yeah :)
[06:36] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  it happens.  Keep working at it.  I'll be going through the same thing in about a week with my AMD64 and Radeon X800
[06:36] <ewhitten> maybe I'll be able to help a bit more then.
[06:36] <ArdieM> cool
[06:36] <ArdieM> x800
[06:37] <ArdieM> you think it is supported then?
[06:37] <ArdieM> or is it already?
[06:37] <randabis> sure it is
[06:37] <ewhitten> ATI's site says it works with xorg.  so I will make it work, even if I have to sacrifice a goat to do it.
[06:38] <hummm> poor goat
[06:38] <randabis> all it really is is an overclocked 9800
[06:38] <minimec> ArdieM: What is your Hardware problem?
[06:38] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  you could also try downloading their rpm, converting it to a .deb with alien.
[06:38] <randabis> maybe some more pipes, not sure
[06:38] <tritium> ewhitten, cookout!
[06:38] <stuNNed> hummm: where is that?
[06:38] <ewhitten> minimec:  AMD64 with ATI Radeon 9x00
[06:38] <ArdieM> mybe i should switch to xorg .. huh ?
[06:38] <ewhitten> stunned:  it's boston, ma (US)
[06:38] <ArdieM> minimec: radeon 9800
[06:39] <randabis> ArdieM, uh YEAH
[06:39] <blah09> doesnt that automatically happen when you dist upgrade to hoary
[06:39] <blah09> how do you check?
[06:39] <ewhitten> blah09:  you have the option to keep xorg.
[06:39] <stuNNed> ewhitten: nice
[06:39] <Jelte> ok silly question time... anyone here remember or know of DogZ on windows?  a little pet running around your desktop ever so sweet... is there anything like that on linux?
[06:39] <blah09> lol dogz i remember that
[06:39] <hummm> stuNNed: huh?
[06:39] <ewhitten> Jelte:  dear lord, I hope not.
[06:39] <randabis> you should not keep xfree when you move to hoary...lol
[06:39] <blah09> dogz 5 in wine or something
[06:39] <Jelte> hehe.. didn't think so
[06:39] <stuNNed> hummm: that url picture i was asking where it was
[06:39] <ArdieM> randabis: how to change that ?
[06:39] <minimec> ArdieM: What x-driver did you use? 'ati', 'radeon', or the new 'fglrx'
[06:39] <hummm> stuNNed: a view over boston
[06:40] <blah09> so how do i best check which xserver im running?
[06:40] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  even so, your problem isn't xorg/xfree86 related.  it's the module.
[06:40] <randabis> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[06:40] <ewhitten> hummm:  where did you take that from?
[06:40] <ewhitten> plane?
[06:40] <hummm> ewhitten: prudential tower
[06:40] <ArdieM> randabis: done, now ?
[06:40] <ewhitten> hummm:  ah, what I thought.  lived here for almost 3 years, and still haven't gone up there. :)
[06:41] <hummm> oh man
[06:41] <hummm> you definitely should go there :)
[06:41] <Jelte> ok how about a screensaver that takes a given folder (and its subfolders) and simply does a random slideshow of the images in those folders?
[06:41] <blah09> like screenshots of dogz? ;)
[06:42] <ewhitten> Jelte:  I think I've seen one before.  Let me look.
[06:42] <Jelte> blah09, hehe.. nah, just of my boarding pics ;-)
[06:42] <ewhitten> on that topic, anyone seen the Fireflies screensaver?  I wonder where it went.
[06:42] <blah09> heh i have a related qn too
[06:42] <minimec> ArdieM: I have an radeon9600 mobile on my HP-Laptop. I'm using the 'ati'. No 3d, but it worked out of the box. :-)
[06:42] <blah09> can i disable the xscreensaver?
[06:42] <ArdieM> Jelte: there is something like dogz... its a smiley rolling on your windows
[06:42] <blah09> its annoying especially coming back from standby
[06:42] <bronson> Has anybody used Insight?  (tcl front-end for GDB)
[06:43] <blah09> which works! i still cant believe it....
[06:43] <bronson> It looks excellent, but I can't get Step and Next to work.
[06:43] <ArdieM> minimec: nice but i need 3d
[06:43] <ArdieM> ^
[06:43] <Jelte> ArdieM, thats not nearly as cute! ;-)   never mind, it was more a surprise for my gf if she were to log on my machine... she loves dogs, but then again the brownie points for that one aren't worth the hassle ;-)
[06:43] <ewhitten> Jelte: found it
[06:44] <ewhitten> Jelte:  GLSlideshow
[06:44] <Jelte> ewhitten, cool! thanks!
[06:44] <minimec> ArdieM: so you have to use the new fglrx-dirver from the ATI-Website. I jad some problems installing it on my Debian System.
[06:44] <hitu> ubuntu doesn like kde ?
[06:44] <hitu> :/
[06:45] <GFXstyLER> hi
[06:45] <GFXstyLER> how can i set the system language to german?
[06:45] <hitu> hello
[06:45] <Jelte> ewhitten, speaking of screensavers, mine tend to go slower than i thought they should (the explosion one for instance)... i've installed the drivers for my nvidia, and that helped but still not a lot... anything else i should do? tell X something about nvidia for instance?
[06:45] <Jelte> (or just buy more memory ;-))
[06:45] <Riddell> hitu: KDE is available, hopefully one day we'll have a KDE ubuntu CD
[06:45] <ewhitten> Jelte:  do you get the nvidia splash screen when you startup X?
[06:45] <ewhitten> and how much RAM do you have?
[06:45] <hitu> Riddell: i installed everythin on kde
[06:45] <shock> kde is running nicely - only it doesnt play well with gnome wich is sad
[06:46] <hitu> i mean everything of kde
[06:46] <Jelte> ewhitten, yep think so
[06:46] <ArdieM> how can i see if i use xfree or xorg ?
[06:46] <shock> i dont like kde apps cluttering my gnome-menu i.e.)
[06:46] <hitu> and today tried to install libuthahglx1
[06:46] <GFXstyLER> please, noone can tell me how to switch to german system language (gnome menues etc) in hoary array4 ?
[06:46] <hitu> and it said it will remove all of kde
[06:46] <hitu> hehe
[06:46] <bluefoxicy> http://usrbac.sourceforge.net/misc/ss-bknshit.png  how do I fix this
[06:46] <[Spooky] > yeah vlc works fine, now i can watch my pron hehe
[06:46] <goldfish_> LOL
[06:46] <hitu> GFXstyLER: not used array4
[06:46] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:46] <minimec> ArdieM: ... after using 'alien' I installed the .deb package, but the fglrx module was not available. insmod fglrx was not possible :-(
[06:46] <hitu> :P
[06:47] <tritium> GFXstyLER, you choose the language when you first boot
[06:47] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  that will let you choose, if you have xorg installed.
[06:47] <ArdieM> ewhitten: you mean:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:47] <minimec> minimec: what were your experiences?
[06:47] <ArdieM> or not ?
[06:47] <minimec> ArdieM: what were your experiences?
[06:47] <ArdieM> lol minimec is talkin to himself
[06:48] <minimec> ArdieM: :-)
[06:48] <GFXstyLER> thx, i guess i solved the problem
[06:48] <ArdieM> i NEVER got my graphic card work
[06:48] <ArdieM> on 10000s aof distros
[06:48] <ArdieM> that are my experiences ^^
[06:49] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  go into synaptic and see what packages you have installed when searching for "xserver"
[06:49] <minimec> ArdieM: well the new ati-driver release should definitly support your card.
[06:49] <tritium> ArdieM, dpkg -L | grep xserver
[06:49] <tritium> sorry, dpkg -l | grep xserver
[06:49] <hitu> -L ? :P
[06:49] <hitu> -l it is
[06:49] <minimec> ArdieM: ... even with 3d :-)
[06:49] <tritium> hitu, yeah, I corrected myself
[06:50] <ArdieM> xserver-common and xserver-xorg
[06:50] <spiral> hi
[06:50] <hitu> :P
[06:50] <hitu> u got xorg
[06:51] <hitu> radioactive waste
[06:51] <hitu> :P
[06:52] <ArdieM> i never used alien before
[06:52] <tritium> no, Hydrogen isotope
[06:52] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  alien <rpm package>
[06:52] <ArdieM> how can i convert that .rpm driver to .deb ?
[06:52] <ArdieM> ok
[06:52] <ArdieM> ^^ lol
[06:52] <ewhitten> that will generate a .deb
[06:52] <stuNNed> bluefoxicy: fix what? looks ok to me
[06:52] <hitu> just alien <rpm pack.>
[06:52] <Jack> sorry how do you get around debpkg messages such as :sorry, how
[06:52] <Jack> libatk1.0-dev depends on libatk1.0-0 (= 1.8.0-4); however:
[06:52] <Jack>   Version of libatk1.0-0 on system is 1.8.0-1ubuntu2.
[06:52] <hitu> alien will generate one from a .src.rpm too rite ?
[06:53] <ArdieM> well where does alien save the generated package ?
[06:53] <ewhitten> hitu:  not sure.  you might need to check the man page
[06:53] <minimec> ArdieM: alien fglrx....rpm
[06:53] <hitu> Jack: upgrade libatk1
[06:53] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  should be in the same directory
[06:53] <Jack> ok
[06:53] <ArdieM> in home dir ok
[06:53] <ArdieM> ok did that
[06:53] <thenuke> how unsafe it is to upgrade or dist-upgrade already installed hoary which has been working a long time without any updating
[06:54] <hitu> ArdieM: where is the rpm package /
[06:54] <ArdieM> /home/ardiem
[06:54] <blackwings> how do I get the nice cursor's from warty in hoary (i think it's the industrial cursors)
[06:54] <minimec> ArdieM: now dpkg -i fglrx....deb
[06:54] <hitu> ArdieM: then it will be the same /home/ardiem/foo.deb
[06:54] <tritium> thenuke, don't dist-upgrade.  It can remove packages when not all dependencies can be met.  (e.g., at this instant, dist-upgrade might remove evolution and ubuntu-desktop)
[06:55] <tritium> until new evolution package is uploaded (very soon)
[06:55] <hitu> ughh somethin had removed ubuntu-base
[06:55] <hitu> hehe
[06:55] <ArdieM> dpkg: error @ editing /home/ardiem/fglrx64-4-3-0_8.8.25-2_amd64.deb (--install):
[06:55] <tritium> hitu, why did you let it?
[06:55] <hitu> ArdieM: what arch. is ur cpu
[06:56] <ArdieM> trying to overwrite /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 wich is in pgk xlibmesa-gl too
[06:56] <ArdieM> amd64
[06:56] <hitu> tritium: just curious :P
[06:56] <hitu> oh then its cool
[06:56] <ArdieM> i downloaded this fglrx64_4_3_0-8.8.25-1.x86_64
[06:56] <ewhitten> whooo.
[06:56] <minimec> ArdieM: That's right. You have to use --force overwrite. I forgot that :-)
[06:56] <ewhitten> I decided to check if *I* was even running xorg.  nope.
[06:56] <tritium> ArdieM, using alien and rpms is not very advisable for that very reason
[06:56] <hitu> try and remove any of this libutahglx1, xlibmesa3, mesag3-glide2, mesag3+ggi, mesag3
[06:57] <ArdieM>  s dpkg -i --force overwrite /home/ardiem/fglrx64-4-3-0_8.8.25-2_amd64.deb
[06:57] <ArdieM> like this ?
[06:57] <tritium> ArdieM, you'll end up with a broken package if you force overwrite
[06:57] <ArdieM> oh
[06:57] <ArdieM> ^
[06:57] <hitu> yup
[06:57] <minimec> tritium: unfortunally the ati driver only comes as an rpm file.
[06:57] <hitu> like my kde is broken too i guess
[06:58] <tritium> minimec, fglrx?
[06:58] <minimec> tritium: yes.
[06:58] <tritium> minimec, no, it's in .deb format as well
[06:58] <hitu> u just need to google it :P
[06:58] <minimec> tritium: Where did you find that?
[06:59] <Danko123456> Hey, do you guys know how to save changes you make to a translation in ROsetta?
[06:59] <ArdieM> trini: you got a link ?
[06:59] <tritium> minimec, apt-cache search fglrx
[06:59] <Danko123456> I cant seem to make a change...
[06:59] <ArdieM> tritium: you got a link ?
[06:59] <tritium> ArdieM, just enable restricted, universe, and multiverse in Hoary.
[06:59] <tritium> ArdieM, then apt-cache search fglrx
[06:59] <hitu> fglrx-control - Control panel for the ATI graphics accelerators
[06:59] <tritium> and you'll find a bunch of packages
[06:59] <hitu> fglrx-driver - Video driver for the ATI graphics accelerators
[06:59] <hitu> fglrx-driver-dev - Video driver for the ATI graphics accelerators (devel files)
[06:59] <hitu> there
[06:59] <hitu> hehe
[07:00] <minimec> tritium: I just 'googled' Found something. THX
[07:00] <tritium> minimec, you don't need google.  apt-cache search
[07:00] <ewhitten> "google" is now a verb in english. :)
[07:00] <hitu> ArdieM: apt-get install fglrx-control fglrx-driver
[07:00] <ArdieM> yes ive found the same @ synaptic
[07:00] <hitu> it is :o
[07:00] <Taibor> hi people.... i've 80gb /home partition of a software raid1. Can I keep it installing ubuntu warty?
[07:00] <ArdieM> Package fglrx-driver is a virtual package provided by:
[07:00] <ArdieM>   xorg-driver-fglrx 6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu5
[07:00] <ArdieM>   xfree86-driver-fglrx 4.3.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu5
[07:00] <ArdieM> You should explicitly select one to install.
[07:00] <ArdieM> e-Jah: Package fglrx-driver has no installation candidate
[07:00] <PCPN> are thre any ubuntu on laptop wizards, abotu, this morning?
[07:01] <HaloGray> I wouldn't really call myself a wizard... but I'm running it on my laptop
[07:01] <HaloGray> what's up?
[07:01] <tritium> ArdieM, xorg
[07:01] <ArdieM> halo: loool
[07:01] <hitu> ArdieM: u r on xorg .. so u should know which one to get
[07:01] <jono> hi all
[07:01] <ArdieM> yes but im not with apt
[07:02] <ArdieM> where do i have to put xorg
[07:02] <hitu> ArdieM: get on apt :)
[07:02] <jono> is there any documentation yet for setting beagle up in hoary ?
[07:02] <hitu> pretty easy
[07:02] <hitu> search for xorg-driver-fglrx in synaptic
[07:02] <Danko123456> Damn, theres a Save button right there.
[07:02] <Danko123456> :)
[07:02] <minimec> tritium: I have a debian sarge system. No apt-cache search fglrx :-)
[07:02] <PCPN> HaloGray: installed on an IBM ThunkPad T21, last night.  ran beautifully.  come into office, this morning, put in docking station, boots, logs in via X an takes 10 minutes to start loading MW (ie, 10 minutes before ubuntu splash).  undock, and it boots up just fine...suggestions?
[07:02] <RatherD> anyone know why mozplugger won't work? I have that and totem-xine installed
[07:03] <tritium> minimec, I don't know what packages they may have in sarge
[07:03] <HaloGray> docking stations tend to have different hardware than the free laptop
[07:03] <HaloGray> You'll have to probe for any new hardware I suppose
[07:03] <noppe> hrmm it appears Evolution notifications don't appear unless I have evolution open, in debian that worked even without evolution open. Is there a setting I can set to get this back?
[07:03] <HaloGray> Thinkpads are grand BTW
[07:04] <minimec> tritium: no fglrx packages. the ati driver isn't compatible to the debian licences.
[07:04] <PCPN> HaloGray: evidently...well, I will just wait, and see if it comes all the way up...
[07:04] <tritium> jono, Warty or Hoary?
[07:04] <PCPN> HaloGray: I like mine.  i have dropped it, steped on it, kicked it, and otherwise abused for three years, now, and it still runs great...
[07:04] <HaloGray> Same story for me and my T20
[07:04] <jono> tritium, hoary, but I got the link now, thanks :)
[07:04] <minimec> RatherD: use the vlc-plugin. It's much better than the mozplugger.
[07:04] <HaloGray> I finally decided it was time for an upgrade... and got a Dell :(
[07:05] <PCPN> a buddy of mine has a T20, need to replace the LCD.
[07:05] <ArdieM> hitu: o ive installed the xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:05] <HaloGray> They had a sale for $750 off and it was too good to pass up
[07:05] <tritium> jono, okay.
[07:05] <PCPN> HaloGray: sometimes quality can have no price too high
[07:05] <hitu> great have fun
[07:05] <HaloGray> it can when you're on a college budget :)
[07:05] <akrobat4> hiya! is there a linux tool/app which converts ppt files to pdf? i can not/do not wanna use openoffice as i only have 64megs on my laptop.  there is ppthtml but it does not do images/slides
[07:06] <tritium> HaloGray, what's the problem with your Dell?
[07:06] <PCPN> HaloGray: understood, been unemployed for 16 months, I understand...
[07:06] <tritium> akrobat4, openoffice can do that
[07:06] <HaloGray> he said he didn't want to use OO
[07:06] <tritium> akrobat4, sorry, didn't read your whole question
[07:06] <PCPN> tritium: starts with the logo and sinks insie
[07:06] <HaloGray> PCPN: what field are you in?
[07:07] <HaloGray> My Dell gets really hot really easy
[07:07] <ArdieM> ...hmmm
[07:07] <tolstoy> drat.  was expecting a "we know about evolution, working on it" topic. ;)
[07:07] <HaloGray> It also feels put shoddy compred to the stable thinkpad layout
[07:07] <HaloGray> if I could get a T41 for the same price I got this 8600... I would have shit a brick
[07:08] <tritium> was thinking about a thinkpad before IBM sold their PC division
[07:08] <blah09> haha dell?
[07:08] <blah09> i know what youre talking about, i have a 500m
[07:08] <tritium> now I'm thinking powerbook
[07:09] <FreeWolF> hello
[07:09] <HaloGray> IBM is still supporting sold laptops, and they're going to release a new one in Q2 of this year
[07:09] <thundrcleeze> hello FreeWolF
[07:09] <HaloGray> the Levano deal hasn't gone through yet
[07:09] <FreeWolF> I have a question about ubuntu installation: is graphical or text based ?
[07:09] <Ribs> text based
[07:09] <thundrcleeze> It's text-based, but easy.
[07:09] <FreeWolF> ok
[07:11] <tritium> HaloGray, I'm still leaning away from IBM since they sold
[07:11] <PCPN> hates TwinHead and Toshiba more than dislike Dell
[07:12] <apokryphos> does anyone know if there's any way I can contribute website bandwidth in any way?
[07:12] <PCPN> apokryphos: become a repos?
[07:12] <PCPN> host/mirror docs and how-tos?
[07:13] <apokryphos> PCPN: Definitely. How can I?
[07:13] <apokryphos> got around 49 Gigs to kill
[07:13] <srid> I get this error why running 'bitlbee' for first time
[07:13] <srid> sri@infinity:~/friends/viki $ bitlbee
[07:13] <srid> :localhost. NOTICE AUTH :BitlBee-IRCd initialized, please go on
[07:13] <srid> ERROR :Warning: Permission problem: Can't read/write from/to /var/lib/bitlbee/.
[07:13] <PCPN> apokryphos: check the main site for details on who is 'running' the project and go forward from there...
[07:13] <ArdieM> i instaled it -> xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:13] <ArdieM> what now ^^ ?
[07:14] <hitu> ArdieM: restart X
[07:14] <tritium> cool:  http://www.purdueexponent.org/interface/bebop/showstory.php?date=2005/02/08&section=features&storyid=LinuxUsersdoc
[07:14] <zenwhen> Are any developers in here?
[07:14] <Danko123456> heh
[07:14] <zenwhen> I was wondering if there is a stated intent to keep ubuntu's install on one CD>
[07:15] <Joshua> I am trying to download ubuntu for the first time and could really use some help
[07:15] <bluefoxicy> sunda
[07:15] <bluefoxicy> <Update manager> there are 5 updates available
[07:15] <bluefoxicy> monday
[07:15] <apokryphos> PCPN: Not entirely sure of where I should be going... do you mean the Ubuntu Marketplace?
[07:15] <bluefoxicy> <Update manager> there are 2 updates available
[07:15] <bluefoxicy> Today
[07:15] <PCPN> hold on as I dig it up for you...
[07:15] <bluefoxicy> <Update manager> there are 83 updates available
[07:16] <bluefoxicy> err, update-notifier, but you get the idea.  wtf.
[07:16] <Danko123456> Well, Joshua one good place to look is
[07:16] <ArdieM> hitu: im sorry 4 askin so much, and im very thankfull 4 not kickin me outta this chan ^^
[07:16] <Danko123456> ubuntuguide.org
[07:16] <tritium> bluefoxicy, it's still in development, and not 100% reliable yet
[07:16] <bluefoxicy> Tr0gd0r:  :)
[07:16] <bluefoxicy> err
[07:16] <hitu> lmao ArdieM :P
[07:16] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  :)
[07:16] <Danko123456> Then after you look at all that.
[07:16] <pranxor> Joshua: what kind of download problem?
[07:17] <Joshua> I have not been able to start the download of the cd either fromt he webb page or as a torrent
[07:17] <apokryphos> PCPN: Eh? :)
[07:17] <Joshua> I just get text
[07:17] <bluefoxicy> I would still like the option for update notifier to always run in my tray
[07:17] <bluefoxicy> and to download packages in the background
[07:17] <Joshua> I am using xp with firefox
[07:17] <Danko123456> Which country you in?
[07:17] <Joshua> US
[07:17] <bluefoxicy> then I can say "install" and it can install
[07:17] <tritium> bluefoxicy, you can.  Run it and background it, then log out and save your session.
[07:18] <Danko123456> And what platform?
[07:18] <surrounder> is there a way to like totally ban ipv6 without recompiling the kernel/
[07:18] <Joshua> xp pro
[07:18] <surrounder> ?
[07:18] <Danko123456> heh
[07:18] <Danko123456> :)
[07:18] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  :)
[07:18] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  it never goes away?
[07:18] <Joshua> I want badly to get away form MS
[07:18] <bluefoxicy> Joshua:  so get away from them.  are youa g amer?
[07:19] <evarlast> surrounder: don't load the ipv6 modules?
[07:19] <PCPN> failed to come all the way up...art
[07:19] <tritium> bluefoxicy, it does
[07:19] <ArdieM> ok restartet x
[07:19] <pranxor> Joshua: I see, try this: ftp://ftp.uninett.no//linux/ubuntu-iso/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso
[07:19] <tritium> bluefoxicy, but it's running in the background
[07:19] <evarlast> surrounder: j/k.
[07:19] <ArdieM> now i can switch between more Hz option
[07:19] <surrounder> *pets
[07:19] <tritium> bluefoxicy, the icon only shows when updates are available
[07:19] <surrounder> ;)
[07:19] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  yeah
[07:19] <ArdieM> *options
[07:20] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  I like the redhat style one though, where it changes the icon if there's updates; and I liked how windowsupdate *cough* would download stuff in the background and then ask you if you wanted to install
[07:20] <evarlast> surrounder: by "ban" do you mean "deny all packets"  or do you mean, ifconfig doesn't recognize it?
[07:21] <tritium> bluefoxicy, well, provide some input to the package maintainer on feature requests
[07:21] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  bugzilla, wiki, mailing list?
[07:21] <surrounder> evarlast: well, I think the last one, my ISP doesnt like ipv6 ( tiscali) so resolving takes ages for webpages and all other kinds of connecting...
[07:21] <bluefoxicy> shit, new kernel
[07:21] <nosilver4u> hey, i just installed the new fglrx-xorg drivers, and I can't get them to work right, any ideas?
[07:21] <stuNNed> bluefoxicy: lol
[07:22] <bluefoxicy> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-icon-theme_2.9.91-0ubuntu2_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/gnome-run.png', which is also in package gnome-panel-data
[07:23] <zenwhen> how do you edit menu items in hoary?
[07:23] <bluefoxicy> stuNNed:  I have to rebuild the kernel with PaX and netdev-random
[07:23] <Joshua> back
[07:23] <zenwhen> does anyone know why the ability to just right click menu items and change them was taken away?
[07:23] <srid> http://cgiirc.sourceforge.net/
[07:23] <Danko123456> you get it?
[07:23] <Danko123456> I mean, did you get it.?
[07:23] <tritium> cool - the new sound-juicer supports quality profiles!
[07:23] <Joshua> nope
[07:23] <Joshua> just text
[07:23] <Danko123456>  pranxor: Joshua: I see, try this: ftp://ftp.uninett.no//linux/ubuntu-iso/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso
[07:23] <Joshua> endless anlmost froze computer
[07:24] <Danko123456> that one?
[07:24] <evarlast> surrounder: standby.
[07:24] <Joshua> that window
[07:24] <bluefoxicy> Joshua:  just start using linux whenever you can, you'll move away from ms soon enough
[07:24] <Joshua> the link
[07:24] <Danko123456> the ftp one?
[07:24] <evarlast> surrounder: the easy fix is "remove the inet6 address from each interface"
[07:24] <evarlast> surrounder: I'm working on a small script to automate that.
[07:24] <ArdieM> how can i check wether im running xorg or xfree ?
[07:24] <zenwhen> does a place like a[pplications:// exist in hoary?
[07:24] <bluefoxicy> ArdieM:  ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:25] <surrounder> evarlast: aah that's gret
[07:25] <stuNNed> bluefoxicy: ubuntu kernel on the desktop with PaX? and what is netdev-random?
[07:25] <Joshua> yeah it starts with what looks loike progam text that goes on for about 50 pages
[07:25] <bluefoxicy> stuNNed:  netdev-random gathers random data based on the timing f network card interrupts
[07:25] <ArdieM> ardiem@chillout:~ $ ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:25] <ArdieM> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:25] <ArdieM> and this is the proof if im running xorg or not ?
[07:25] <Danko123456> All right, have you tried right clicking and save link as?
[07:25] <bluefoxicy> stuNNed: and yeah I use grsecurity on the desktop
[07:25] <Danko123456> I mean save target as?
[07:25] <bluefoxicy> ArdieM:  xorg
[07:25] <ArdieM> ok
[07:25] <Joshua> not yet let me try that
[07:26] <Danko123456> On this page
[07:26] <Danko123456> http://ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net/pub/linux/ftp.ubuntu.com/releases/4.10/
[07:26] <zenwhen> does a place like a[pplications:// exist in hoary?
[07:26] <evarlast> surrounder: try this on for size : for i in `/sbin/ifconfig | grep '^\w' | awk '{print $1}'` ; do /sbin/ifconfig $i|grep inet6|awk '{print $3}'| xargs /sbin/ifconfig $i del ; done
[07:26] <bluefoxicy> stuNNed:  it only breaks a handfull of things, which are easily worked around with chpax/paxctl (I wish paxctl could nuke PT_GNU_STACK)
[07:26] <tritium> surrounder, evarlast:  http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9650 (ipv6 quick fix_
[07:26] <surrounder> evarlast: ok, will try that as soon as it's finished installing \o/ ;)
[07:26] <bl4cks4ils> hi
[07:26] <surrounder> thanks tritium
[07:26] <noppe> bluefoxicy: what is pax?
[07:26] <tritium> surrounder, sure.  it's near the bottom of page 1
[07:27] <bluefoxicy> noppe:  a memory protection patch for Linux
[07:27] <bl4cks4ils> how can i change the permission on a file?
[07:27] <noppe> bluefoxicy: and you said it is built in to ubuntu kernels?
[07:27] <bluefoxicy> noppe:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PaX
[07:27] <tritium> surrounder, evarlast section "Tweaking"
[07:27] <bluefoxicy> noppe:  no, I have to patch grsecurity into the kernels and build my own
[07:27] <noppe> ahh
[07:27] <suix> hi
[07:27] <bluefoxicy> noppe:  martin pitt has a couple grsecurity kernels for x86 though
[07:27] <suix> hey I want gdm to start in xdmcp selector mode on boot, do you know how to configure gdm?
[07:27] <zenwhen> Is anyone running hoary here?
[07:28] <noppe> bluefoxicy: does pax add a lot of overhead?
[07:28] <apokryphos> zenwhen: Most people, I think.
[07:28] <bluefoxicy> noppe:  0.7% approximately, no real performance decrease
[07:28] <zenwhen> How do you all edit your gnome menu?
[07:28] <bluefoxicy> noppe: for sources.list
[07:28] <bluefoxicy> deb     http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/linux-hardened/  /
[07:28] <bluefoxicy> deb-src http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/linux-hardened/  /
[07:28] <apokryphos> zenwhen: I don't :D. I use KDE.
[07:28] <zenwhen> I can't select propertied for any item in it after upgrading.
[07:28] <noppe> bluefoxicy: cool i'll take a look
[07:28] <zenwhen> properties
[07:28] <bluefoxicy> noppe:  add those, apt-get update, and check dselect for the new packages
[07:28] <zenwhen> then I dont need your input thanks.
[07:29] <stuNNed> bluefoxicy: i don't run that stuff on the desktop at least now, think ubuntu is working on some measures for that, thanks to the link you provided at ubuntu's site i saw
[07:29] <tritium> zenwhen, you can't edit it quite yet.
[07:29] <suix> hey I want gdm to start in xdmcp selector mode on boot, do you know how to configure gdm?
[07:29] <bluefoxicy> stuNNed:  yeah, the hardened debian project and some of the ubuntu devs like pitti are going at it :)
[07:29] <zenwhen> I cant even change the propeties of a single application?
[07:30] <zenwhen> Wow, my system is broken now then.
[07:30] <thundrcleeze> suix: gdmsetup
[07:30] <tritium> zenwhen, no, not broken.  In development.
[07:30] <zenwhen> Well it isnt even useable.
[07:30] <suix> nope
[07:30] <suix> I cant do this there
[07:30] <thundrcleeze> suix, it's also in the "Computer" menu in Warty
[07:30] <zenwhen> Ill install warty :/
[07:30] <tritium> zenwhen, what isn't usable?
[07:32] <suix> i know what is gdmsetup but there's no opcion for making xdmcp the first login opcion instead of local access
[07:34] <nosilver4u> has anyone had any luck with the new fglrx xorg binary drivers in hoary?
[07:37] <thundrcleeze> I've got nvidia, sorry.
[07:37] <nosilver4u> fooey
[07:37] <shock> i got powerpc - sorry
[07:37] <gnumber9> sav, u there
[07:37] <coral> hello. the website indicates that warty 4.10 is the currently available ISO; if i'm interested in trying hoary, should i install 4.10 and then upgrade to hoary by replacing warty with hoary in apt/sources.list?
[07:37] <zOap_win> hi, i've spoke to someone about ubuntu and smc2835w earlier. now i got the information he requested. can someone help me with this?
[07:38] <nosilver4u> i've been waiting for it forever, and now it's here, and i thought i knew what to do to set it up, but it's quite buggy
[07:38] <nosilver4u> or i'm doing something wrong
[07:38] <coral> i'd be interested in starting with a hoary beta iso, for the sake of saving download time, if such is available
[07:38] <zOap_win> ewhitten, u here?
[07:38] <nosilver4u> i know it's availabe (the hoary iso) not sure where though
[07:38] <nosilver4u> my boss was talking about it the other day
[07:38] <coral> ok. i'll go looking for it.
[07:38] <thundrcleeze> just do a dist-upgrade
[07:38] <thundrcleeze> instructions for all of that are at www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:39] <nosilver4u> i just changed my apt-sources, and dist-upgraded it
[07:39] <coral> right, i've already don eit once
[07:39] <zOap_win> anyone help me with smc2835w and prism54 driver?
[07:39] <Stew2_> coral:
[07:39] <coral> i want to skip downloading 4.10 iso and then 4.11 packages and just go straight to 4.11 iso
[07:39] <coral> which saves me a couple hundred megabytes of DL time
[07:39] <Cuga_> is xorg used in hoary?
[07:39] <Skwid_> Cuga_: yes
[07:39] <coral> incidentally, ftp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/hoary/array-3/hoary-install-i386.iso
[07:39] <zOap_win> anyone?
[07:39] <coral> array-4 exists now
[07:40] <tritium> nosilver4u, array-4 is listed in the topic
[07:40] <Cuga_> Skwid_, thanks, another question, i know ubuntu takes snapshots of debians unstable branche when they start working on there next release, so as it stands, is hoary a snapshot of unstable debian back in november (or whenever hoary branche was first started)
[07:40] <nosilver4u> yeah, i'm quick
[07:40] <zenwhen> is gnome-panel-screenshot broekn for everyone else too?
[07:40] <nosilver4u> haha
[07:40] <Skwid_> Cuga_: hum, not sure on that
[07:40] <tritium> zenwhen, no
[07:40] <nosilver4u> of course, i also did my last install 3 weeks ago
[07:40] <zenwhen> Oh
[07:41] <zenwhen> it stopped working after I upgraded to hoary
[07:41] <tritium> zenwhen, you never replied what makes your system unusable
[07:41] <zenwhen> I cant edit my menu to make it how I want it?
[07:41] <zenwhen> I dont want it hw it is, I want it how it was because it has been that way for two years.
[07:41] <tritium> zenwhen, I know, but how is it unusable?
[07:41] <apokryphos> Once you've got Hoary, is it worth doing reasonably regular dist-upgrades? Is it changed often?
[07:41] <zenwhen> I dont like change?
[07:42] <Skwid_> apokryphos: i do them every week or so
[07:42] <Cuga_> is there a list of hoary bugs in a repository somewhere that i can go over?
[07:43] <nosilver4u> same here, about once a week, although there's plenty of updates if you do it daily
[07:43] <tritium> seb128, how does one add a new audio profile to use with the new sound-juicer?
[07:43] <seb128> tritium: gnome-audio-profiles-properties ?
[07:43] <tritium> seb128, oh, okay.  I was looking only for a gui method.
[07:44] <coral> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary seems to indicate that the link to the hoary bug database is
[07:44] <tritium> seb128, rather, something accessible from the menu
[07:44] <coral> Cuga: see that url
[07:45] <seb128> tritium: I don't think that's a good idea
[07:45] <tritium> seb128, adding a new profile?
[07:46] <seb128> tritium: no, adding it as a menu entry
[07:46] <seb128> tritium: that should rather be a menu entry or a button in js
[07:46] <seb128> sj even
[07:46] <tritium> seb128, oh, agreed
[07:46] <tritium> seb128, except, sound-recorder also uses profiles.
[07:47] <seb128> tritium: and has a button for that
[07:47] <tritium> to add?  hmm...didn't see it.
[07:47] <tritium> I'll check again
[07:48] <Epoque51> plop
[07:48] <seb128> tritium: it could use one
[07:49] <tritium> seb128, yes
[07:49] <Keito> when I install ubuntu 64bit edition, would I have the same ammount of apps available as in the 32bit one?
[07:50] <Tomcat_> Keito: You should have... iirc 64 bit processors can emulate 32 bit mode.
[07:50] <GFXstyLER> how can i get ati 3d acceleration to work with ubuntu hoary array 4 ?
[07:50] <Keito> so basically I can run the same apps, plus the i've-been-compiled-for-64bit-apps?
[07:50] <GFXstyLER> just installed the ati xorg-fglrx drivers
[07:50] <GFXstyLER> is there some FAQ / etc ?
[07:51] <tritium> I prefer choosing an average bitrate, rather than a "quality".
[07:51] <BiteMeBill> anyone care to recommend one of the many FTP packages?
[07:51] <tritium> BiteMeBill, gftp?
[07:52] <Tomcat_> Keito: Should work. But I can't say for sure.
[07:52] <coral> okay. thanks!
[07:52] <Keito> Tomcat_, oh well... i'll see once I install :p
[07:52] <BiteMeBill> tritium: is that better than the proftp?
[07:52] <tritium> BiteMeBill, it's a client.
[07:53] <Keito> one other thing i'd like to know before installing; which is better adding an old 10gb HD or create another partition (aprox. 5gb)
[07:53] <tritium> BiteMeBill, don't know about server.
[07:53] <BiteMeBill> Ok let me rephrase then Does anyone care to recommend one of the ftp server packages.
[07:55] <Danko123456> For what?
[07:55] <Danko123456> BitemeBil?
[07:55] <marjan> hallo
[07:55] <Danko123456> Like ftpd?
[07:55] <thundrcleeze> hi marcin_ant
[07:55] <marjan> what should i install to have everything in german??
[07:55] <Danko123456> Are you using Ubuntu?
[07:55] <marjan> yes
[07:55] <Danko123456> a na nasem?
[07:55] <Danko123456> hehe
[07:55] <BiteMeBill> Danko123456: For an Ubuntu server that is in the process.
[07:55] <Danko123456> Well, you have synaptic right?
[07:55] <marjan> everything is in english now
[07:56] <marjan> Danko123456, yes which packages do i need to install to get german language support in my system?
[07:56] <BiteMeBill> Wanted to see what others were using in their ubuntu servers..
[07:56] <Danko123456> Hey, sorry, Marjan, have no clue...I was talking to BiteMeBill...
[07:56] <marjan> a ok
[07:56] <Danko123456> I have Ubuntu on my comp..
[07:56] <marjan> is it user-de?
[07:56] <Danko123456> Ansd I use my comp as a server...
[07:56] <Danko123456> FTP, APache
[07:56] <djcb> i have problems with running evolution on hoary./amd64
[07:57] <Danko123456> And I use ftpd for ftp.
[07:57] <BiteMeBill> Danko123456: What ftp package are you useing
[07:57] <Danko123456> It is in synaptic
[07:57] <BiteMeBill> Oh ok
[07:57] <djcb> at startup it segfaults, "zsh: 7272 floating point exception (core dumped)  evolution"
[07:57] <Danko123456> In synaptic there is a search option.
[07:57] <Danko123456> Search for FTP...
[07:57] <guim_> hi everyone, i can't install ubuntu and i really don't know why, I just get a screen where my keyboard do not seems to be operating and it says this :ISOLIUNX 2.04 2003-04-16 Copyright (c) 1994-2003 H.Peter Anvin
[07:57] <guim_> Press F1 for help, or ENTER to boot:
[07:57] <BiteMeBill> I know I'm looking at all of them
[07:57] <Danko123456> Itll tell you all that are there..
[07:57] <Danko123456> And
[07:58] <guim_> if anyone has an idea thank you!
[07:58] <Danko123456> I dont know that one works fine for me...
[07:58] <guim_> my install do even start
[07:58] <guim_> don't
[07:58] <Keito> guim, is your keyboard usb?
[07:58] <Danko123456> and enter does not work, guim?
[07:58] <marjan> i have big problem with locales!!!
[07:58] <BiteMeBill> Danko123456: I've heard talk about proftp and pure-ftp and some of the others.
[07:58] <marjan> Setting up locales (2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2.2) ...
[07:58] <marjan> Generating locales...
[07:58] <marjan>   de.ISO-8859-1...cannot open locale definition file `de': No such file or directory
[07:58] <marjan> i need you help
[07:58] <marjan> now
[07:58] <Danko123456> heh
[07:58] <Keito> guim, try using an older keyboard... PS/2 preferably..?
[07:58] <Danko123456> Polako, Marjane....
[07:58] <guim_> I did
[07:58] <guim_> i tried two keyboard
[07:59] <guim_> not usb
[07:59] <marjan> Danko123456, ne, serbska
[07:59] <marjan> hello
[07:59] <marjan> ppl
[07:59] <Danko123456> k, one sec
[07:59] <guim_> can this habe a link with the "master boot record" ?
[07:59] <Danko123456> Ill look for something for you.
[07:59] <marjan> i have problems with locales
[07:59] <Keito> guim, well... i'm a linux n00b myself... never installed it, so i guess i can't help you any further... was the only thing I could think of
[07:59] <marjan> how to fix them?
[07:59] <Danko123456> Marjan....
[08:00] <BiteMeBill> guim: it souldn't be.
[08:00] <marjan> Danko123456, what is?
[08:00] <guim_> ok thx
[08:00] <guim_> why Bitemebill ?
[08:00] <guim_> I say that cause i had (one year ago) a mandrake installed
[08:00] <guim_> on this hdisk
[08:00] <BiteMeBill> guim: cause your not booting from your HDD your booting to the install CD
[08:00] <Danko123456> Ill look for something for you.
[08:00] <Danko123456> Just a sec
[08:00] <Danko123456> Where did you look so far?
[08:01] <guim_> yes right
[08:01] <guim_> but what I found strange is the message :
[08:01] <guim_> ISOLIUNX 2.04 2003-04-16 Copyright (c) 1994-2003 H.Peter Anvin
[08:01] <guim_> Press F1 for help, or ENTER to boot:
[08:01] <guim_> old dates ? no ?
[08:01] <guim_> 2003 ?
[08:01] <BiteMeBill> guim: but it strange that you can boot a liveCD but can't install the thing.
[08:01] <marjan> anyone here?
[08:01] <marjan> i have problem with locales generation
[08:01] <guim_> so i thought about my old mandrake install
[08:01] <marjan> now is the whole system in english
[08:01] <tritium> guim, that date is for isolinux
[08:01] <marjan> how to make it locales be generated?
[08:01] <guim_> i can boot "more or less" the live cd...
[08:02] <guim_> but i boot, that is right
[08:02] <marjan> locale-gen says:   de.ISO-8859-1...cannot open locale definition file `de': No such file or directory
[08:02] <marjan> so what do i need to install?
[08:02] <guim_> ok tritium
[08:02] <androxxl> marjan: dpkg-reconfigure locales ... try this
[08:03] <BiteMeBill> guim: that is that newer dell isn't it?
[08:03] <guim_> dell ?
[08:03] <guim_> no
[08:03] <guim_> my pc is about 3 years old
[08:03] <marjan> androxxl, thx
[08:03] <guim_> athlon xp 1600
[08:03] <guim_> desktop
[08:03] <marjan> androxxl, root@marjan:/home/marjan # dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:03] <marjan> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed
[08:03] <BiteMeBill> guim: well your not alone then.  Someone else is having the same problems with a new dell 8300 or someting like that.
[08:03] <guim_> MSI ddr266
[08:04] <guim_> ok thx for the info..
[08:04] <webby> will hoary be able to eject media by dragging to the trash applet?
[08:04] <guim_> we will cry together i guess
[08:04] <guim_> :-)
[08:04] <wezzer> when will be hoary released?
[08:04] <wezzer> I remember it was early 2005
[08:04] <androxxl> try to remove completly locales and install it again
[08:04] <marjan> androxxl, ok
[08:05] <guim_> i am using the an install cd with 4.10 intel x86
[08:05] <guim_> is there a more recent version i should get?
[08:05] <marjan> Unpacking locales (from .../locales_2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2.2_all.deb) ...
[08:05] <marjan> Setting up locales (2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2.2) ...
[08:05] <marjan> Generating locales...
[08:05] <marjan>   de.ISO-8859-1...cannot open locale definition file `de': No such file or directory
[08:05] <marjan> dpkg: error processing locales (--configure):
[08:05] <marjan>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 4
[08:05] <marjan> i removed it completely
[08:05] <marjan> first
[08:05] <marjan> and then that happend
[08:05] <marjan> so what the FUCK is that
[08:06] <will_cat> apt-get -f install
[08:06] <will_cat> marjan
[08:06] <will_cat> try "apt-get -f install"
[08:06] <marjan> same
[08:06] <will_cat> same
[08:06] <will_cat> ??
[08:06] <androxxl> i had the same problem
[08:06] <marjan> After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used.
[08:06] <marjan> Setting up locales (2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2.2) ...
[08:06] <marjan> Generating locales...
[08:06] <marjan>   de.ISO-8859-1...cannot open locale definition file `de': No such file or directory
[08:06] <marjan> dpkg: error processing locales (--configure):
[08:06] <will_cat> i dont know what to try
[08:06] <marjan> androxxl, how did you solve it?
[08:06] <marjan> there is a file which is lacking
[08:06] <marjan> the locale definition file
[08:06] <bitfoo> hmm
[08:06] <marjan> what saves locale definition files?
[08:06] <bitfoo> it ooks like there is a space maybe in the filename?
[08:07] <bitfoo> you might have to escape it with /
[08:07] <bitfoo> i mean \
[08:07] <marjan> bitfoo, do you mean me??
[08:07] <androxxl> i was doing whole lot cant remember exatcly what solved the problem :((
[08:07] <bitfoo> i think so :O
[08:07] <marjan> bitfoo, what should i exactly do?
[08:07] <bitfoo> whats the file name you are trying to install
[08:07] <Cuga_> marjan, havent watched the entire convo but have you tried just a simple apt-get install locales ?
[08:08] <marjan> Cuga_, yes
[08:08] <marjan> Cuga_, i get the error during locale-gen
[08:08] <marjan> which is done by apt-get
[08:08] <Cuga_> k :S cause there was a mention of that problem i read on website
[08:08] <marjan> Cuga_, where
[08:08] <will_cat> one question
[08:08] <marjan> please give me the link
[08:08] <bitfoo> hmm
[08:09] <will_cat> if I download an ISO from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20050208/ i get the latest version of ubuntu hoary?
[08:09] <marjan> hmm
[08:09] <marjan> great
[08:09] <marjan> fuck off
[08:09] <marjan> why the hell
[08:10] <marjan|angry> arghl
[08:10] <marjan|angry> stupid debian
[08:10] <Cuga_> marjan|angry, ?
[08:10] <marjan|angry> Cuga_, everything what is based on debian is fucked
[08:10] <dueyfinster> WEBCAM-Girl_ is sending unsolicited messages
[08:10] <dueyfinster> please stop her
[08:11] <marjan|angry> ok
[08:11] <marjan|angry> then i need to do it manually
[08:11] <BiteMeBill> dueyfinster: He/she wants you
[08:11] <marjan|angry> where is the stupid locale config
[08:12] <bitfoo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocaleConf  <---?
[08:14] <guim_> ok
[08:14] <guim_> bye all
[08:14] <guim_> one more try...
[08:14] <thundrcleeze> bye guim
[08:14] <Martok> Hey, anyone know how to install a serial mouse using modprobe?
[08:16] <marjan|angry> so what
[08:16] <marjan|angry> this did not helped
[08:17] <Martok> Can anybody help me with my serial mouse?
[08:17] <RatherD> I've got a problem, everytime I start and app by doing "xmms&" and kill the terminal the program dies
[08:17] <RatherD> it never did that in gentoo....
[08:17] <RatherD> did i do something wrong?
[08:18] <marjan|angry> so what should i do?
[08:18] <webby> does anyone know what i'm doing wrong with regards to compiling my own kernels? why i run a custom kernel, the system seem's to lag, like it's under high load.
[08:18] <Cuga_> RatherD, try "xmms &"
[08:18] <RatherD> Cuga_, yeah thats what I do
[08:18] <RatherD> and it kills xmms when i close term
[08:19] <Cuga_> RatherD, what terminal do you use
[08:19] <RatherD> gnome-terminal
[08:19] <Cuga_> Try xterm just outta curiosity
[08:19] <RatherD> kills xmms as well
[08:20] <webby> anybody?
[08:20] <Martok> Anybody know how to find and install a serial mouse with modprobe?
[08:21] <Cuga_> webby, well you have to tell us a little more info then that, what kernel, what patches, what scheduler.. ?
[08:22] <webby> Cuga_, not sure which scheduler, I think I left that as the default ubuntu config. the only patch I applied was an inotify patch, to vanila 2.6.10 sources
[08:22] <LinuxJones> Martok, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SerialMouseHowto
[08:22] <RatherD> how do i make ssh keys?
[08:22] <Martok> Thanks LinuxJones.
[08:22] <Cuga_> webby, which ubuntu config? hoary or warty
[08:23] <marjan|angry> you all are MORRONS
[08:23] <marjan|angry> and fucking idiots
[08:23] <marjan|angry> i found out it myself
[08:23] <webby> Cuga_, warty. i copied the 2.6.8 config to the 2.6.10 directory, then did make oldconfig
[08:23] <marjan|angry> !
[08:23] <LinuxJones> marjan|angry, please leave
[08:23] <Martok> Man... what a jerk...
[08:23] <gui> hi
[08:23] <gui> it is me again
[08:23] <marjan|angry> fuck you all
[08:24] <gui> ?
[08:24] <Cuga_> that guy has issues
[08:24] <Martok> Doesn't everyone?
[08:24] <Cuga_> that guy has bad issues :)
[08:24] <Martok> Haha!
[08:24] <bitfoo> hmm
[08:24] <bitfoo> whats up with the update notifier in hoary
[08:24] <Cuga_> ok webby, does it seem to lag only in X?
[08:24] <LinuxJones> There were like 3 other people like him yesterday
[08:25] <bitfoo> i updated yet it still says i need to update
[08:25] <bitfoo> :|
[08:25] <gui> may i still bore you guys with my not funny problem ?
[08:25] <webby> Cuga_, terminal seems fine, but haven't done much testing
[08:25] <Cuga_> do you use accelerated drivers?
[08:25] <Cuga_> for video
[08:26] <webby> I've got the fglrx driver installed for my old kernel, but not this one yet
[08:26] <gui> anyone ready to help here?
[08:26] <gui> no?
[08:26] <gui> ok
[08:26] <Cuga_> why dont you try and compile for this kernel to elimate that issue, might just be cause X is in VESA mode (slow as hell)
[08:27] <LinuxJones> bitfoo, gui, just ask :D
[08:27] <gui> cool
[08:27] <webby> Cuga_, does the ati driver use vesa? I thought that driver was ok
[08:27] <gui> i can4t install ubuntu
[08:27] <gui> .-
[08:27] <bitfoo> i did :|
[08:27] <Cuga_> webby, no ATI driver uses its own kernel mods, VESA only used if all else fails
[08:27] <LinuxJones> gui, are there any errors poping up ?
[08:28] <gui> at very first boot, i get a message
[08:28] <Cuga_> webby, but it has to be compiled against the running kernel to work
[08:28] <webby> Cuga_, ok, so build the kernel module then?
[08:28] <gui> isolinux
[08:28] <gui> copyright
[08:28] <gui> and them
[08:28] <webby> Cuga_, I'll give it a go
[08:28] <gui> just the invitation to pressf1 for helpm enter to boot
[08:28] <Cuga_> yeah, you should still have a /usr/src/fglrx if you haven't cleaned it, just go and run the make scripts again
[08:28] <gui> but nothing at all happen
[08:29] <LinuxJones> gui, so you pressed enter ?
[08:29] <gui> yes
[08:29] <gui> but nothing happened
[08:29] <Cuga_> i haven't tryed the ATI drivers with the 2.6.10 kernel yet but I haven't heard any issues
[08:29] <gui> and I just stay there
[08:29] <gui> one more info
[08:29] <gui> i get the same with a sarge cd install
[08:30] <jcoiron> hello
[08:30] <gui> exactly the same
[08:30] <LinuxJones> gui,  do you remember ever messing around in your system's bios ?
[08:30] <gui> i did touch it
[08:31] <gui> mto be sure to get cdrom to boot
[08:31] <gui> should i relaos default config of my biois maybe?
[08:31] <gui> one more thing
[08:32] <gui> right now i am usoing the live cd to be here talking
[08:32] <Walshy> does anyone know how i can boot to the command line
[08:32] <LinuxJones> gui, a Hoary live cd ?
[08:32] <gui> so the live cd can boot
[08:32] <gui> euh
[08:33] <randabis> sweet...this track I made sounds pretty good
[08:33] <gui> the one that cames in the same box
[08:33] <r3v3rb> hello all
[08:33] <gui> is it the one you meant?
[08:33] <carambol> should multiverse be included when making a distupgrade to hoary?
[08:33] <LinuxJones> gui, maybe you just have a bad cd
[08:33] <gui> no
[08:33] <gui> i tried to
[08:33] <r3v3rb> hey, can we get varsha into hoary or is it too late
[08:33] <gui> 2 cds
[08:33] <gui> of the 4.10
[08:33] <jcoiron> err.. u let the bot WEBCAM-GirL_ spam because this website is sponsoring ubuntu ?
[08:33] <randabis> r3v3rb, feature freeze is REALLY soon...dunno
[08:34] <LinuxJones> gui, all I can do is point you to the Ubuntu Forums or the Mailing list :(
[08:34] <r3v3rb> please, no need for qt dvdauthor then
[08:34] <gui> oh
[08:34] <r3v3rb> varsha is the propr choice guys
[08:34] <carambol> multiverse to be included in repo
[08:35] <gui> ok i should there you think?
[08:35] <carambol> when making dist-upgrade to hoary?
[08:35] <LinuxJones> gui, what kind of mother board do you have ?
[08:35] <gui> post there
[08:35] <r3v3rb> randabis, who should i badger
[08:35] <gui> MSI ddr 266 k 7 2.0
[08:35] <LinuxJones> gui, I would do a search first
[08:35] <gui> says on it
[08:35] <gui> search on the forum
[08:35] <jaza> need help, i tried changing my login screen in options and when i rebooted it says error, and then i have to login throuh console :/
[08:36] <jaza> ?/////
[08:36] <jaza> anyone know why
[08:36] <bretzel> Hi there :-):)
[08:37] <jaza> i cant find the thing to change back to default login screen its gone now lol
[08:37] <randabis> the hoary mailing list i assume
[08:37] <carambol> plz should i use multiverse when upgrading to hoary?
[08:37] <warty> sorry linuxjones
[08:37] <r3v3rb> randabis, ok i will try that
[08:37] <warty> i didn4t catch your last words
[08:38] <gui> i didn4t catch your last words
[08:38] <gui> dam
[08:38] <jaza> thnx for help :/
[08:38] <thundrcleeze> jaza
[08:38] <jaza> no one knows:|
[08:38] <iapx8088> you could ban WEBCAM-GirL_
[08:38] <jaza> what
[08:38] <iapx8088> * [WEBCAM-GirL_]  is away ( WEBCAM GIRLS ONLY HERE!  Don't Money, Don't Registration, Don't MemberShip! =>  http://www.sevgiyeri.net/webcamgirls_prog.exe)
[08:38] <noppe> uhh is there anyway to change the names of say "60G Media" which makes no sense at all to the mount point name permenantely?
[08:39] <gach> anyone having trobles with msn?
[08:39] <thundrcleeze> are you in a console irc right now?
[08:39] <thundrcleeze> YES, MSN is down.
[08:39] <jaza> no
[08:39] <gui> LinuxJones
[08:39] <thundrcleeze> again
[08:39] <iapx8088> thundrcleeze, http://messenger.msn.com/Status.aspx
[08:39] <gui> ok thx anyway
[08:39] <jaza> im in ubuntu like normal only thing i need to be in console for is the login then have to type startx
[08:39] <gach> wtf with this people
[08:39] <carambol> i want to make a dist-upgrade should i delete the multiverse line in repo?
[08:39] <bretzel> gach? trying to connect right now ??? yes the same here... their network i assume
[08:40] <gach> i hear theres a significant securyty flaw bretzel
[08:40] <jcoiron> iapx8088: same thing with WEBCAM-GirL_ ... it doesn't seem to bother anyone even if it's the first channel I see on this network which let a spam bot annoying users
[08:40] <Cuga_> carambol, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[08:40] <Cuga_> use the source example there
[08:41] <gach> maybe there adressing it
[08:41] <bretzel> hehehe - I didn't verify from WinXP if it is working ... you know: I Don't Care! :-) 8-)
[08:41] <thundrcleeze> Jaza, can you change the login settings in options again?
[08:41] <jaza> its not there
[08:41] <jaza> used to be
[08:41] <gach> it doesnt connect
[08:41] <gach> even from XP
[08:41] <iapx8088> gach,
[08:41] <iapx8088> http://messenger.msn.com/Status.aspx
[08:41] <bretzel> gach: maybe later today they will fix their net ... :-)
[08:42] <gach> thnxs
[08:42] <jaza> whats it under?
[08:42] <jaza> computer?
[08:42] <thundrcleeze> jaza, go in console and type sudo gdmsetup
[08:42] <gach> maybe
[08:42] <gach> well anyways
[08:42] <gach> my friend has a problem with alsa in ubuntu
[08:42] <jaza> unknown cmd
[08:42] <gach> mine weent on just fine
[08:42] <Slaven> xine gets a/v delayed more often when I'm using it with esd.
[08:43] <Slaven> how come?
[08:43] <Slaven> and are there settings to help?
[08:43] <gach> anyone knows wath kind of soundcard he might have
[08:43] <gach> ?
[08:43] <Cuga_> jaza, are you sure you typed it correctly
[08:43] <gach> cuz he doesnt know
[08:43] <noppe> gach: you can't be serious?
[08:43] <Cuga_> hahahaa
[08:43] <Cuga_> wow
[08:43] <jaza> sudo gdmsetup
[08:43] <noppe> gach try some commands like lspci and look at that information
[08:43] <Cuga_> thats a bash.org right there
[08:44] <noppe> saying my friend's soundcard doesn't work do you know what soundcard he has is a joke
[08:44] <noppe> I heardt hat he only had 64 megs of ram also btw
[08:44] <gach> iam serious
[08:44] <gach> i will tell him
[08:44] <gach> but hes from mandrake
[08:44] <noppe> lspci is a linux program
[08:45] <noppe> err GNu program or whatever
[08:45] <gach> so i dont expect him to know much about command line
[08:45] <noppe> it isn't ubuntu specific..
[08:45] <noppe> gach: well what I am trying to point out is your question is ridiculous if you would ask something like, how can I find out what soundcard I have that might be a little more productive. But, why card doesn't work what is it. Is just a waste of typing
[08:45] <noppe> :)
[08:45] <gach> noppe.... what i meant was... if you knew if any soundcard dosnt get autodetected by ubuntu
[08:45] <noppe> gach: I am sure there are a lot
[08:46] <noppe> it isn't like there are only 5 cards in the world
[08:46] <gach> yeah.... but maybe some arent detected by ubuntu
[08:46] <thundrcleeze> jaza- otherwise, under warty, it's under computer, system configuration, login screen setup
[08:46] <gach> thats what i ment
[08:46] <noppe> gach: and I am sure there are a lot, but there are so many that your question is impossible to answer period
[08:46] <gach> cuz it is on the alsa database
[08:46] <noppe> have him type lspci
[08:46] <gach> cuz he had sound on mandrake
[08:47] <noppe> gach: well then have him look to see what driver is being used in mandrake
[08:47] <gach> it is stupid of me anyway... i should have told him he needed to run lspci
[08:47] <gui> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2230
[08:47] <noppe> it isn't stupid it just isn't a very productive question..
[08:47] <gach> x
[08:47] <gui> any0ne knows more about this bug?
[08:47] <gui> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2230
[08:48] <dud> hows the state of hoary just now?
[08:48] <dud> any common bugs at the moment?
[08:49] <dud> i'm doing a dist-upgrade for the first time in about 1 week i think
[08:49] <gui> i do have a lot of bugs
[08:49] <dud> hoary?
[08:49] <gui> live cd
[08:49] <gui> not working well with me
[08:50] <ewhitten> gui:  last i heard apt-http did not work on the hoary live cd.
[08:51] <dud> ok, wasnt what i asked about then :)
[08:51] <dud> so hoary is all over pretty stable now i hope
[08:51] <gui> yes sorry dud
[08:51] <gui> misunderstood
[08:51] <gach> it is
[08:51] <gach> well at least for me it is
[08:52] <gach> men tell me..... how can anyone live without apt and .deb?
[08:52] <gui> i do have a buggy xfree with not all panel showing
[08:52] <ewhitten> gach:  apt-rpm :)
[08:52] <gui> but it boots
[08:52] <farruinn> gui: xfree?
[08:52] <gach> pffff i mean
[08:52] <gach> rpm sucks big
[08:52] <gach> at least for loading the apt list of packages
[08:52] <thundrcleeze> old rpm sucked
[08:52] <gui> xfree shows me popup with message
[08:52] <gach> and the dependency tree
[08:52] <thundrcleeze> new rpm's not as bad
[08:53] <gach> i tried apt on fc3
[08:53] <gach> and i could not wait to get back to debian
[08:53] <sulkd> heh.. offtopic, but, is msn dead>
[08:53] <sulkd> ?
[08:53] <gach> yes
[08:53] <thundrcleeze> yes, sulkd
[08:53] <sulkd> ty.
[08:53] <gach> esta mortadela
[08:53] <fox_in_sox> do new rpm's calculate dependencies - no - they suck
[08:54] <gui> i reported the bug following the procedure
[08:54] <gach> and another thing that sucks
[08:54] <gach> if yum
[08:54] <gach> is
[08:55] <ewhitten> gach:  generally, people in this room are using ubuntu, so no rpms.
[08:55] <aperson> ello all
[08:55] <thundrcleeze> hi
[08:56] <gui> bye all again 5but trully this time
[08:56] <gui> and thx for all help
[08:57] <dud> crap crap crap, i knew it wouldnt work with dist-upgrade today
[08:57] <dud> anyone else been getting complaints with gnome-icon-theme lately?
[08:57] <dud> "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-icon-theme_2.9.91-0ubuntu2_all.deb (--unpack):
[08:57] <dud>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/gnome-run.png', which is also in package gnome-panel-data
[08:57] <dud> "
[08:57] <ewhitten> dud:  yes, just reload then upgrade again
[08:58] <shock> indeed
[08:58] <dud> reload what?
[08:58] <shock> upgrades without further complains
[08:58] <shock> just run apt-get upgrade again
[08:58] <dud> ah, upgrade ok hehe
[08:58] <dud> will do :)
[09:00] <dud> thanks, seems to have worked
[09:00] <shock> :)
[09:00] <jmhodges> dud: yeah, i dont get it either :)
[09:00] <dud> was there a fix being made just within the last few hours?
[09:00] <shock> no
[09:00] <jmhodges> nah, it just takes two goes
[09:00] <dud> hehe, weird
[09:01] <shock> i didnt even reload - just reran the upgrade
[09:01] <jmhodges> same here
[09:01] <shock> weirdness
[09:01] <shock> =)
[09:01] <shock> its probably a "prevent masses from upgrading today"-thing
[09:01] <shock> :P
[09:01] <dud> ironic how it was gnome-icon-theme that gagged on me, as i was just installing another cursor theme today :)
[09:01] <dud> lol, could be
[09:01] <shock> strangely i do not have the nice white cursors lately
[09:02] <shock> just the default black ones
[09:02] <jmhodges> same here :-/
[09:02] <shock> havent figured out how to get it back
[09:02] <sulkd> bow before me.. I just played Purple Haze on my guitar :P
[09:02] <jmhodges> haha
[09:02] <FAST> it aint no sin to take off your skin and dance around in your bones
[09:02] <shock> i bow to no mortal!
[09:02] <jmhodges> bah, apparently im an idiot..
[09:02] <jmhodges> anyone played with dpatch?
[09:02] <shock> nope
[09:02] <sulkd> "tis but a fleshwound"
[09:04] <bob2> jmhodges: yeah
[09:04] <PCPN> help!   I reinstalled ubuntu onto my IBM Thinkpad while docked.  system boots, and X loads, but the WM fails to finish with a cyclic chirp comming form the sound system
[09:05] <farruinn> PCPN can you log in to a failsafe session?
[09:05] <PCPN> farruinn: trying now...
[09:05] <farruinn> or maybe try 'killall esd' before logging into gnome
[09:06] <unperson> If I'm using a linux box to do NAT, can I configure it to prevent any one computer from hogging all the bandwidth in any reasonable way?
[09:07] <shock> somehow it allways get to me how many thing simply work under osx
[09:07] <shock> *sigh*
[09:07] <PCPN> failsafe appears to be laoding..
[09:07] <dud> im wondering... i see that im having both 2.4 and 2.3 versions of a lot of python stuff, is that really needed?
[09:07] <shock> but its the sum of all those little things that make the difference
[09:07] <jmhodges> bob2: is there a way to get more info out of dpkg-buildpackage when the patch fails?  i can't seem to get anything consistent in the documentation..
[09:07] <farruinn> shock: actually os x just crashes on me all the time right now
[09:07] <jmhodges> the wikipage says one thing, the README.NMU says another..
[09:07] <farruinn> I had to come back to my ubuntu install because it's at least stable =)
[09:07] <jmhodges> all i get is that the patch "failed"
[09:08] <jmhodges> during apply
[09:08] <farruinn> dud: see what happens when you 'apt-get remove python2.3' ;)
[09:09] <bob2> jmhodges: does it manually apply?
[09:09] <dud> farruinn, i'd rather play it safe hehe
[09:09] <bob2> shock: er, file bugs if things don't "simply work" on ubuntu
[09:09] <shock> lol
[09:09] <shock> works fine here
[09:09] <bob2> dud: aptitude will remove them if nothing needs them
[09:09] <shock> i know - and simple things are a +++ for linux
[09:09] <shock> ;)
[09:09] <bob2> and you can manually, too...
[09:09] <farruinn> dud apt-get remove always asks for verification, but in warty there are a few things in warty that rely on it at least
[09:10] <shock> unfortunately i need to work under osx rght now
[09:10] <bob2> in warty *everything* uses python2.3
[09:10] <jmhodges> bob2: well, hrm.. i just realized that i had some more issues at hand here..
[09:10] <bob2> yeah
[09:11] <[amasimak] > unperson, it is possible by doing some traffic shapping
[09:11] <Anubis> synaptic can't opens roots xauthorixation file
[09:11] <Anubis> now what?
[09:11] <bob2> Anubis: don't run it as root
[09:11] <hummm> anyone know why gnome-commander just prints "gnomecc: command not found" to shell when i try to edit mime types?
[09:11] <Anubis> how can i search for the kernel source for my kernel with the cli?
[09:11] <farruinn> Anubis: apt-cache search
[09:11] <[amasimak] > unperson, see http://lartc.org/
[09:11] <Anubis> bob2, are you serious, you have to run it as root
[09:12] <farruinn> Anubis: synaptic runs with gksudo
[09:12] <bob2> Anubis: er, you really should read the FAQ or follow more closely what the installer says...
[09:12] <dud> hmm, odd apt-get upgrade held back the latest kernel-image, but dist-upgrade went right ahead flawlessly
[09:12] <bob2> Anubis: run it from the menu or read the FAQ in the topic for information about root
[09:12] <bob2> dud: yes, you should read the manpage to find the important difference between them
[09:13] <fox_in_sox> man page man page man
[09:13] <fox_in_sox> i am
[09:13] <bob2> if you want to use unix tools, you need to be able to read the unix documentation for them
[09:13] <dud> bob2, ah... i see. thanks
[09:13] <fox_in_sox> point the way bob2
[09:13] <bob2> mostly you want upgrade
[09:14] <dud> thanks for enlightning me on how to use unix tools as you say
[09:15] <IRCUser01> heya
[09:15] <dud> although I'm not so sure how a operative system based on the minix mini-kernel with an application being made by the APT-team from debian classifies as an "unix tool"
[09:15] <fox_in_sox> do an apropos or a man -k if u want to search for something in a man page
[09:15] <bob2> dud: er, linux isn't based on minix in any way
[09:15] <bob2> ie no shared code or design
[09:15] <Mabus> are there any experimental packages for Eclipse somewhere ?
[09:16] <dud> seing how linux has some major differences from unix, and how the apt system never was on a true unix system like at&t time share unix
[09:16] <bob2> indeed
[09:16] <dud> bob2, that makes it even less of a unix system if its not even based on minix any more
[09:16] <bob2> but that doesn't mean it has anything to do with minix, and "unix" has become a generic term to refer to unix-like-systems
[09:16] <bob2> dud: linux was never based on minix
[09:16] <unperson> [amasimak] , Thanks.  I'll look into it.
[09:17] <bob2> dud: and minix shared no code with at&t unix anyway
[09:17] <sulkd> dud: funny though, AIX now uses RPMs..
[09:17] <bob2> anyway, sorry you took such great offence at being told where to find out exactly what you were asking
[09:18] <fox_in_sox> i thought it was pretty funny
[09:18] <dud> oh well... ill stop arguing and do a, hopefully successful, reboot
[09:18] <iapx8088> anyone used john to recover a lost XP password?
[09:18] <dud> brb
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[09:18] <fox_in_sox> yep
[09:19] <bob2> iapx8088: just reset the password from linux
[09:19] <dud> bob2, i took no offence and i do appriciate the help, but i might have misunderstood your comment as patronizing
[09:19] <iapx8088> bob2, hi, and thx
[09:19] <fox_in_sox> boot from cd and reset by editin the passwd file
[09:19] <dud> sorry bout that if it wasnt the case :)
[09:20] <bob2> dud: I was talking to fox_in_sox to begin with, didn't intend to be patronising
[09:20] <dud> well, ok, sorry then
[09:20] <dud> anyhow, brb :o
[09:20] <bretzel> Hey all :-) I dunno if it is worth to speak about that here but ... : I've found this(http://www.jdwopen.us/) Gambas - an IDE a la Visual basic that seems very cool and seems to work well in Ubuntu (deb http://www.linex.org/sources/linex/debian/ cl gambas) 8-)
[09:20] <fox_in_sox> i know no biggie
[09:21] <earthen> can some one tell me hoe stable hedghog is
[09:22] <fox_in_sox> theres one stable on the road outside
[09:22] <earthen> LOL how did i know some one was going to be a smart ass
[09:22] <fox_in_sox> lol
[09:22] <MobyTurbo> earthen, it depends. I've seen enough complaints about breakage in hoary that I wouldn't use it unless stability is not a priority.
[09:23] <earthen> ok thanks turbo
[09:23] <earthen> that what i wanted to hear
[09:23] <dud> hoary is a *lot* more stable now after the freeze kicked in
[09:23] <dud> rebooting.... finally :o
[09:23] <noppe> define stability
[09:24] <MobyTurbo> dud, I wasn't aware of the freeze...
[09:24] <marcin_ant> hi - any Eclipse user here>
[09:24] <marcin_ant> ?
[09:25] <earthen> I've have this worty going for about 3 months now without a reboot I would say it stable
[09:26] <MobyTurbo> earthen, yeah, warty is stable. the question was about hoary hedgehog.
[09:26] <earthen> *Warty* doh!
[09:26] <earthen> Yeah
[09:27] <fox_in_sox> i prefer, stable, unstable and testing too many animals
[09:27] <bob2> Taibor: can you turn that off please?
[09:27] <fox_in_sox> i dunno whether im comin or going with all this naturism
[09:27] <earthen> is there a way to get warty to update firefox
[09:27] <marcin_ant> I have a problem with Eclipse SWT browser in Ubuntu - could anyone help me with this?
[09:28] <bob2> marcin_ant: probably better to ask on the list
[09:28] <farruinn> earthen: apt-get upgrade but if you mena get ff 1.0 you're options aren't great
[09:28] <MobyTurbo> earthen, there are a couple of third party repositories that offer ff 1.0
[09:28] <marcin_ant> bob2: what list?
[09:28] <BiteMeBill> fox_in_sox: It's a great feeling isn't it?  Well in warm weather that is.
[09:28] <earthen> O
[09:28] <earthen> where can i get them
[09:29] <bob2> marcin_ant: the user list
[09:29] <fox_in_sox> where r u then its freezin here
[09:29] <bob2> I'd stay away from the "backport" repository...
[09:29] <BiteMeBill> fox_in_sox: Oh it's just above freezing here too.
[09:29] <ja> bob2: why?
[09:29] <MobyTurbo> earthen, you can get them in backports, but there are some drawbacks to using that.
[09:30] <marcin_ant> bob2: you mean this: http://lists.ubuntulinux.org/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users ?
[09:30] <highstrung> Hello
[09:30] <MobyTurbo> earthen, there's another site that just offers ff 1.0 and mutt, maybe that would be best.
[09:30] <bob2> marcin_ant: yes
[09:30] <earthen> yeah maybe
[09:30] <thundrcleeze> drawbacks such as what?
[09:30] <earthen> what is the problem with the others
[09:30] <bob2> ja: if nothing else, the versioning is broken so you'll have problems when you go to hoary
[09:30] <fox_in_sox> i was refering to the naming of distro versions but i wasn't very clear, u a bit of a naturist then?
[09:30] <marcin_ant> bob2: ok I'll try - thx
[09:30] <MobyTurbo> thundrcleeze, if you want to in the future upgrade to hoary you'll experience problems.
[09:31] <highstrung> Can anybody help me with compiling problems ??
[09:31] <Taibor> bob2: sorry
[09:31] <fox_in_sox> have u done the usual highstrung
[09:31] <BiteMeBill> Opps!  :/
[09:31] <bob2> Taibor: no problem, it'd just get a bit crowded in here if everyone used it...
[09:31] <fox_in_sox> lol
[09:31] <webby> Hi again all. I'm trying to get the fglrx module to compile, but get this error: Makefile:50: *** mixed implicit and normal rules.  Stop.
[09:31] <ja> bob2: i was using backports and then i made upgrade to hoary and it worked
[09:31] <webby> any ideas? that happens when i run sudo sh make.sh
[09:32] <bob2> webby: why are you compiling it?
[09:32] <bob2> webby: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:32] <farruinn> ja: lucky you then, but generally it doesn't work well
[09:32] <webby> bob2, I've installed a custom kernel
[09:32] <bitfoo> jo
[09:32] <bob2> webby: why?
[09:32] <bitfoo> whats the bugzilla and mailing list addresses :O
[09:32] <bob2> bitfoo: /topic
[09:32] <bob2> webby: ie if there's something missing from the ubuntu one, it should probably be added...
[09:32] <fox_in_sox> r u trying to compile shell script?
[09:32] <webby> bob2, the standard ubuntu kernels dont boot with acpi enabled. but compiling 2.6.10 from kernel.org, it works fine with acpi
[09:33] <bitfoo> j00ps
[09:33] <bitfoo> i am..THE BLIND
[09:33] <bitfoo> :O
[09:33] <bob2> lord
[09:33] <highstrung> What do you mean with the usual fox_in_sox
[09:33] <bob2> webby: the 2.6.10 kernels in ubuntu don't support acpi on your hardware?
[09:33] <webby> bob2, does ubuntu have a 2.6.10 kernel?
[09:33] <fox_in_sox> checked version compiler, googled for error etc etc
[09:33] <bitfoo> they mess up real bad on my hardware
[09:33] <webby> bob2, in the warty repos
[09:33] <bob2> webby: nope
[09:34] <bob2> bitfoo: please ask on the list then file a bug
[09:34] <bitfoo> fan is always going nuts and standby works improperly :|
[09:34] <webby> bob2, well no then :)
[09:34] <bitfoo> yeah i am
[09:34] <webby> bob2, the BinaryDriverHowoto doesn't explain how to install the module manually
[09:34] <bob2> indeedy
[09:35] <highstrung> Yup.. I did. And I can't find why it says that my g++ (gcc) compiler can't make exe. I am pretty new to this
[09:35] <zenwhen> webby
[09:35] <zenwhen> what are you trying to do?
[09:35] <webby> zenwhen, yeah?
[09:35] <bob2> highstrung: install build-essential
[09:35] <fox_in_sox> what gcc version
[09:35] <highstrung> How do I check. And how do I do that bob2
[09:35] <zenwhen> ph no
[09:36] <webby> zenwhen, I've installed a custom kernel(because stock ubuntu ones don't boot). and now I want the fglrx kernel module for 3d, so I need to install it manually for my kernel.
[09:36] <webby> zenwhen, but it won't build
[09:36] <zenwhen> fglrx
[09:36] <zenwhen> ;_;
[09:36] <webby> zenwhen, i know the name of the module :)
[09:36] <bob2> highstrung: you haven't installed any packages on ubuntu before?
[09:36] <wk1989> hello
[09:36] <highstrung> Yes with apt-get
[09:37] <wk1989> does anyone know a forum about GIMP?
[09:37] <bob2> highstrung: then just install it with apt;
[09:37] <wk1989> I want to join a GIMP forum
[09:37] <zenwhen> fglrx was a nightmare
[09:37] <zenwhen> many night I went to bed crying and screaming fglrx
[09:37] <highstrung> how do I private you bob2 ???
[09:37] <noppe> wk1989: call me crazy but I bet they have info at gimp.org
[09:37] <fox_in_sox> or get it from ati
[09:37] <bob2> highstrung: you don't
[09:37] <wk1989> no
[09:37] <webby> zenwhen, using the standard packages, I can install it fine. but as I say, I cant boot with acpi on with stock kernels
[09:37] <wk1989> no they don't
[09:37] <highstrung> because I get the folowing message:
[09:37] <bretzel> any news about nvidia-glx in hoary ( dist-upgrade from warty ) ??
[09:37] <noppe> Mailing Lists
[09:37] <highstrung> build-essential: Depends: g++ (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[09:37] <highstrung> E: Broken packages
[09:37] <wk1989> there's mailing list on gimp.org
[09:37] <zenwhen> :(((
[09:37] <zenwhen> nights*
[09:38] <noppe> wk1989: there is a mailing list right off of there
[09:38] <wk1989> no web based forum though
[09:38] <bob2> highstrung: what have you done to your system?
[09:38] <noppe> the is basically a forum
[09:38] <noppe> uhh ok
[09:38] <wk1989> I'm not familiar with mailing lists
[09:38] <noppe> well then use google
[09:38] <zenwhen> I make far too many typos. I really can spell.
[09:38] <bob2> wk1989: then use their list
[09:38] <noppe> uhh you sign up you get mail you response to ones you like..
[09:38] <highstrung> Nothing just reinstalled it with the install cd I got from a classmate
[09:38] <noppe> or you send messages to something like gimp-list@gimp.org it is easy..
[09:38] <wk1989> i ci found this tutorial
[09:38] <wk1989> i want to do it on gimp
[09:39] <wk1989> that's y i'm looking for a forum where i can discuss this kinda stuff with ppl
[09:39] <bob2> then use the list
[09:39] <bob2> most web forums are useless
[09:39] <wk1989> how do i sign up?
[09:39] <noppe> wk1989: you start reading
[09:40] <wk1989> ok
[09:40] <wk1989> thx
[09:40] <wk1989> o ya
[09:40] <wk1989> 1 more question
[09:40] <highstrung> How dangerous is it to install debian packages on ubuntu ???
[09:40] <wk1989> how come the applications I use with WINE have super small fonts that I can't read?
[09:40] <bob2> highstrung: that really won't fix your problem
[09:40] <farruinn> highstrung: I borked my system doing that, and I used to use debian
[09:40] <bob2> and will break it more, most likely
[09:40] <MobyTurbo> highstrung, don't mix debian and ubuntu repositories.
[09:40] <fox_in_sox> its fine so long as you make sure debian packages dont overide ubuntu ones its on the faq
[09:41] <bob2> if you need to ask, it's probably a bad idea
[09:41] <MobyTurbo> fox_in_sox, what do you do, pinning?
[09:41] <fox_in_sox> pinning?
[09:41] <wk1989> How DO I CONFIGURE WHAT FONTS MY WINE APPICATIONS USE?
[09:42] <bob2> wk1989: please stop it
[09:42] <noppe> wk1989: yah you can forget about an answer now
[09:42] <bob2> no one is going to reply when you're being obnoxious
[09:42] <wk1989> huh?
[09:42] <bob2> wk1989: using all-caps is considered highly rude and will make people ignore you completely
[09:42] <wk1989> ok
[09:42] <fox_in_sox> whats pinning?
[09:43] <bob2> it's a game you can play with apt that can get you into trouble
[09:43] <MobyTurbo> fox_in_sox, it's a bit too much to describe here. man apt_preferences
[09:43] <bob2> don't do it unless you understand how apt picks package versions by default
[09:43] <highstrung> Thxs for you help people
[09:43] <fox_in_sox> simple sources.list edit
[09:44] <MobyTurbo> fox_in_sox, nope, pinning is complicated, and it's not in sources.list
[09:45] <revildab> anyone around?
[09:45] <MobyTurbo> revildab, only 349 people
[09:46] <revildab> hah, yeah, anyway, im looking for some help with my wireless card
[09:46] <farruinn> asking is a good idea then =)
[09:46] <revildab> alright, ndiswrapper is installed, and i've found the proper drivers for my card
[09:46] <revildab> however
[09:46] <revildab> when i do lspci , it detects linksys but thats it, it cant give me the device name
[09:47] <revildab> gives me 'unknown device 00032'
[09:47] <bob2> that doesn't matter
[09:47] <bob2> and has nothing to do with whether it works or not
[09:49] <revildab> then perhaps i dont have the right drivers after all :)
[09:49] <bob2> ok
[09:53] <chrissturm> anyone here have an idea why my usb2 drive doesnt appear on the desktop or in "places"? it does appear in the hal device manager. and it appears on the desktop when i turn it off and on again...
[09:55] <Sep1> i have an application, php ( dotproject ) and its sending out emails from www-data@...
[09:55] <Sep1> does anyone know how to change this address ?
[09:55] <aurax> can i install on ubuntu debian binaries?
[09:56] <bob2> Sep1: bah
[09:56] <bob2> pick a channel
[09:56] <farruinn> aurax: yes, but it's not recommended
[09:56] <bob2> aurax: yes, but you get to keep both pieces when it breaks
[09:56] <farruinn> hehe
[09:56] <aurax> lol
[09:56] <aurax> k
[09:56] <aurax> cuz
[09:57] <aurax> i was playing with linux dist's all week for some project, and this is the fastest, smoothest around
[09:57] <farruinn> so why not leave it the way it is?
[09:57] <blah09> anyone use epiphany?
[09:57] <aurax> i just wonder if i can download debian pre-compiled binaries.
[09:57] <bob2> why would you want to?
[09:57] <aurax> no reason
[09:58] <aurax> just wondering .
[09:58] <farruinn> aurax: if you absolutely must have something from debian, I'd suggest getting the debian source, then it's just a dpkg-buildpackage away
[09:58] <farruinn> but that's still not a great thing to do
[09:58] <aurax> hmm
[09:58] <aurax> can i install rpms ?
[09:58] <blah09> yes if you really wanted to
[09:58] <aurax> i really have no clue bout linux sorry... im more fbsd user
[09:58] <blah09> and if you enjoy being tortured
[09:58] <blah09> then rpm is for you
[09:58] <MobyTurbo> aurax, install rpms with alien
[09:59] <MobyTurbo> aurax, but alien doesn't always work, and most of the time the program is in the huge universe/multiverse repositories anyway.
[09:59] <aurax> what is the easiest way to install xine on ubuntu then
[09:59] <bob2> aurax: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:59] <aurax> ok
[10:00] <blah09> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#xine-ui
[10:00] <tritium> aurax, {x.deb: x.deb in debian and not in ubuntu} is very small
[10:03] <looksaus> anyone knows of vnc2swf packages for ubuntu?
[10:04] <looksaus> vnc2swf records your desktop work to an swf movie
[10:04] <aurax> intresting
[10:04] <aurax> i like this ubuntu anyway
[10:04] <looksaus> (the swf movie is playable with swfdec, of course)
[10:05] <aurax> dunno why and how but its double time faster then any other linux
[10:05] <looksaus> it's faster, it's more polished, even hoary feels really stable
[10:06] <chillywilly> go ubuntu!
[10:06] <looksaus> chillywilly, I'm sorry, I feel really excited about ubuntu
[10:06] <chillywilly> why are you sorry?
[10:06] <looksaus> so much I'm exploring to set up a business around it...
[10:06] <kbrooks> Hey
[10:07] <looksaus> chillywilly, because I was making a lot of noise...
[10:07] <chillywilly> I don't care if you do
[10:07] <chillywilly> don't apalogize to me
[10:07] <chillywilly> apologize either
[10:10] <chrissturm> is there a gnome app that shows removable drives in hoary?
[10:11] <revildab> ahh, using drivers from my network card cd works just fine. thanks for the help anyway all
[10:12] <tritium> chrissturm, nautilus
[10:12] <Arthur> hey guys.. do you  know any free program that partitions the HD without loosing data..
[10:12] <Arthur> ?
[10:12] <soopurman> arthur: FIPS
[10:12] <tritium> chrissturm, hal-device-manager can list the devices
[10:12] <Arthur> Soopurman..
[10:13] <Arthur> I have to run FIPS from DOS..
[10:13] <Arthur> But I dont have DOS
[10:13] <Arthur> neither has a floppy drive to run it..
[10:13] <soopurman> hhmmm
[10:14] <aurax> how can i see a package list or search in it
[10:14] <aurax> except aptitude
[10:14] <soopurman> aurax: synaptic
[10:14] <tritium> aurax, apt-cache search
[10:15] <soopurman> arthur: FreeDOS ?
[10:15] <aurax> ok
[10:15] <aurax> ty
[10:15] <Nekohayo> say, quick question: to do a dist-upgrade to hoary, is it really possible from synaptic? (since it's from a gui... I'm a bit hesitant to update everything while I'm still logged in gnome)
[10:15] <Arthur> hum..
[10:15] <Arthur> Ill try it Soopurman..
[10:16] <Arthur> thanks..
[10:16] <Nekohayo> ideas?
[10:17] <webby> any msn users here who can't get online with gaim?
[10:17] <Nekohayo> yup
[10:17] <Nekohayo> msn is down again
[10:17] <tritium> Nekohayo, yes, but be careful to watch what packages get removed.
[10:17] <soopurman> nekohayo: probably a good idea to play it safe... why not login on a tty and just use apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[10:17] <webby> Nekohayo, cheers
[10:17] <Nekohayo> yeah that's what I'm thinking
[10:17] <tritium> Nekohayo, even safer, apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[10:17] <Nekohayo> but then, why is there that dist upgrade thing in synaptic?
[10:17] <wk1989> Yay!
[10:17] <wk1989> MSN works now!
[10:18] <blah09> what the
[10:18] <blah09> does nautilus preview mp3 files or something?
[10:18] <Nekohayo> it should, I think.. does not for me
[10:18] <soopurman> nekohayo: probably just convenient for those cases when there are only a few, or non-critical, packages to update
[10:18] <wk1989> How the hell do u preview MP3 files?
[10:18] <blah09> i have like 5000 mp3s playing at the same time
[10:18] <blah09> and no apparent source of the noise
[10:18] <Nekohayo> soopurman, thanks
[10:18] <webby> oh if anyone is interested, i got the fglrx module to compile on a custom kernel :) hurrah
[10:18] <wk1989> haha
[10:18] <wk1989> that's weird
[10:18] <blah09> help =/
[10:18] <wk1989> mine doesn't do that
[10:18] <Nekohayo> I'm writing this down :)
[10:19] <blah09> hm mpg123 is doing it by itself
[10:19] <blah09> i dont need that do i? for xmms
[10:19] <blah09> i just need mpg321
[10:19] <AndyR> lo ppl
[10:19] <tritium> Nekohayo, depending on the current package availability, some packages can get removed on dist-upgrade
[10:19] <Pluk> hiya all
[10:19] <tritium> Nekohayo, always use the -u switch to see what dist-upgrade is going to do before you let it do it
[10:20] <Nekohayo> yeah, thanks for the tip
[10:20] <blah09> ahhhh... silence....
[10:20] <tritium> sure.  I dislike seeing dist-upgrade used too often
[10:20] <blah09> why not?
[10:21] <tritium> blah09, because of what I just described
[10:21] <kbrooks> dist-upgrade, and thats it.
[10:21] <kbrooks> use upgrade instead
[10:21] <kbrooks> (get it?)
[10:21] <cthulfuego> Does this hoary update mean Evolution is no longer broken on AMD64? :-)
[10:22] <tritium> cthulfuego, not necessarily
[10:22] <cthulfuego> Coz thunderbird is making the baby jesus cry
[10:22] <cthulfuego> (and me too)
[10:22] <Nekohayo> upgrade vs dist upgrade? (since we have to change the repositories anyways...?)
[10:23] <blah09> oh
[10:23] <tritium> Nekohayo, upgrade doesn't allow any upgrades that remove packages.  It's safe.
[10:24] <cthulfuego> Then again, it also doesn't allow any upgrades that need to ADD packages.
[10:24] <tritium> cthulfuego, yes, but if you at least pay attention to what dist-upgrade wants to do, you can avoid package removal
[10:24] <cthulfuego> tritium: Yes. '-y' is not a smart thing to do.
[10:24] <Nekohayo> better, then :P however, isn't there cases where it _needs_ to remove them?
[10:25] <tritium> Nekohayo, sure.
[10:25] <cthulfuego> Nekohayo: Soemtimes yes, where libfoo0 is replaced by libfoo1
[10:25] <cthulfuego> for where exim4 is replaced by postfix
[10:25] <tritium> Nekohayo, but sometimes, package dependencies aren't met for various reasons.  usually this is a very temporary thing
[10:26] <tritium> like earlier today, a new evolution was available, but not evolution-exchange
[10:26] <Pointwood> anyone know why Rythmbox fails loading a lot of my mp3 files and after that start using 100% CPU time?
[10:26] <tritium> dist-upgrade would have removed evolution-exchange and ubuntu-desktop
[10:26] <cthulfuego> Nekohayo: 'upgrade' is normally fine, unl;ess it says packages are held back, then a dist-upgrade ios normally in order due to additional depends.
[10:26] <tritium> so I waited until evo-exchange became available later in the day
[10:26] <blah09> xmms 4 teh win!
[10:26] <blah09> pardon that.
[10:26] <gach> hi
[10:26] <cthulfuego> arrgh
[10:26] <cthulfuego> Another copy of the C library was found via /etc/ld.so.conf
[10:27] <gach> anybody knows where hoary puts modprobe?
[10:27] <Nekohayo> so I'm better of trying an upgrade, then dist upgrade only if it doesn't work (will it output errors accordingly?)
[10:27] <cthulfuego> gach: /sbin
[10:27] <gach> the config file i mean
[10:27] <cthulfuego> gach: Depends on the kernel.
[10:27] <gach> 2.6.10
[10:27] <cthulfuego> gach: /etc/modprobe.d/*
[10:27] <gach> i neeed to load some modules on startup
[10:27] <tritium> Nekohayo, make sense?
[10:27] <cthulfuego> gach: Oh, /etc/modules
[10:27] <cthulfuego> gach: Just add 'em in there.
[10:27] <gach> ok
[10:27] <gach> thnks
[10:27] <cthulfuego> gach: or run 'modconf'
[10:28] <Nekohayo> tritium, yes, thanks
[10:28] <tritium> Nekohayo, good luck :)
[10:28] <hummm> can i change the mime types somewhere?
[10:28] <gach> it says i dont have modconf
[10:29] <Nekohayo> tritium, however, I'm not planning to do this right now, I'll wait till the final release Hoarty ... maybe XD
[10:29] <tritium> Nekohayo, okay.
[10:30] <cthulfuego> Yay, bug in libc6 preinst.
[10:32] <Nekohayo> tritium, say, has the ALSA / volume control been fixed in hoary? In fact, is there some place where I can see the complete (that's kinda huge I guess) list of packages available for Hoary final?
[10:33] <kbrooks> Nekohayo, I doubt it. Hoary is "unstable" at the moment, and an number of packages may be added or removed, changed etc
[10:34] <cthulfuego> Nekohayo: Not to mention "broken".
[10:34] <Nekohayo> :)
[10:34] <tritium> Nekohayo, I'm not aware of the alsa bug you're referring to
[10:34] <Nekohayo> well it's not a bug
[10:34] <tritium> why does it need fixing, then?
[10:34] <Nekohayo> but I think I've read somewhere (from ubuntu or gnome) that the volume control would be much, much clearer
[10:35] <Nekohayo> there is way beyond a hundred sliders in mine
[10:35] <dreamwave> i'm running the latest live CD and it's the best so far.  X on my laptop (dell inspiron 8200) comes up at full resolution 1600x1200.  my only problem is that this live CD can't find my external firewire hard drive.  the Jan 27th version could but it had problems with X.  anyone know what modules I need to load to access the drive?
[10:35] <Nekohayo> ~none of which I can know the real use
[10:35] <ubhuti> I haven't a clue, Nekohayo
[10:35] <cthulfuego> The volume control in gnome (hoary) with alsa here works fine. (and has tabs, not a million sliders)
[10:35] <tritium> nor I
[10:35] <Nekohayo> ....well I'm just unlucky then XD
[10:35] <cthulfuego> dreamwave: ohci1394, ieee1394, sbp2, sd_mod
[10:36] <wezzer> will hoary include alsaconf?
[10:36] <cthulfuego> Nekohayo: Mine has 5. Master, Bass, Treble, PCM, PC Speaker.
[10:37] <cthulfuego> GRR
[10:37] <cthulfuego> cafuego@cahcaca:~$ evolution -> Floating point exception
[10:37] <cthulfuego> bastard of a thing
[10:39] <aurax> hello again
[10:39] <aurax> is there an update center in ubuntu ?
[10:39] <cthulfuego> aurax: 'Synaptic'
[10:39] <aurax> automatic one
[10:39] <aurax> that "seats" in the background
[10:39] <farruinn> aurax, are you in warty?
[10:39] <aurax> yes
[10:40] <cthulfuego> aurax: I hope not, that's a sure-fire way to BREAK your system.
[10:40] <Nekohayo> cthulfuego, take a look :) http://public.nanokron.info/upload/screenshots/ubuntu-warty-sound.png if you slide right, there's lots of other slides, plus a bunch of EMU10K1 sliders, and what's funny is that I have two tabs, one for "sound blaster live! [Alsa mixer] " and the other is "Sigmatel STAC9721/23 [OSS mixer] " ^___^
[10:40] <aurax> i saw a good one in fedora
[10:40] <aurax> up2date of redhat
[10:40] <aurax> but that fedora's
[10:40] <dreamwave> cthulfuego, i got them all loaded but /dev/sda1 is still not connected.  cat /proc/scsi/scsi reveals no devices attached.  it is plugged in and turned on.
[10:40] <farruinn> there are very few updates in warty, put 'gksudo synaptic' in cron and run it once a week
[10:40] <cthulfuego> aurax: Are you sure you want your system to replace software without your knowledge?
[10:41] <aurax> it will be with my knowledgh
[10:41] <cthulfuego> Nekohayo: Yeah, that's the old one.
[10:41] <aurax> http://geeklog.eyesopened.nl/ubdates/index.html
[10:41] <aurax> check this one out
[10:41] <aurax> really nice
[10:41] <aurax> :P
[10:41] <mic64> Hi all
[10:41] <Nekohayo> cthulfuego,  "old one" ? so there's really a "cleaner mixer" in hoary?
[10:42] <cthulfuego> aurax: Well, ytou can run any of the apt-get/dpkg tools from cron, of course. it's just not generally a good idea to run them non-interactively.
[10:42] <cthulfuego> Nekohayo: I'll ss it.
[10:42] <Anubis> Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root: Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
[10:42] <mic64> can someone give me a hint..I installed hoary 64 ..everythings looks good
[10:42] <aurax> yes thats my point cthulfuego
[10:42] <cthulfuego> aurax: Not in fedora, not in ubuntu, not in anything.
[10:42] <mic64> except of xorg.conf..I installed nvidia-glx  Ic can start X  everythings perfect, but after a rebbot the xorg.conf is gone
[10:42] <aurax> its more ms-update style
[10:43] <balbo> guys, is ubuntu the way to go? i was previously using gentoo.
[10:43] <raj> what can be the error when media players in ubuntu giving error "could not open resource for writing"
[10:43] <farruinn> I've watched some people using emerge... I'd prefer apt
[10:43] <ssam> balbo depends what you want
[10:44] <balbo> i want a good os. with lots of software that i wish to run on it.
[10:44] <cthulfuego> Nekohayo: http://www.cafuego.net/ss/20050209-01.png
[10:44] <ssam> then yes
[10:44] <cthulfuego> balbo: Ubuntu doesn't cause global warming, can't go wrong.
[10:45] <balbo> cthulfuego: do you mean that gentoo causes global warming?
[10:45] <cthulfuego> balbo: Yes.
[10:45] <ssam> i think gentoo people like that ubuntu is pretty light weight, only installs what you need (and a few little things)
[10:45] <wk1989> hi
[10:45] <wk1989> some1 plz help me find the wine config file
[10:45] <balbo> cthulfuego: how come?
[10:45] <wk1989> i saw this tutoraial online
[10:45] <wk1989> it says it's ~/.wine/config
[10:45] <ssam> but if you are a sucker for your gcc -o3 --speedstripes then no
[10:45] <wk1989> but there's no "config" in .wine
[10:45] <cthulfuego> balbo: Useless compiled used cpu power, which uses more electricity, which uses more fuel.
[10:45] <wk1989> thx
[10:46] <jbailey> zenwhen: Just dragging the topic away from #ubuntu-devel:
[10:46] <balbo> cthulfuego: yes, i see. i hate to compile everything. is there an online package database for ubunto so i can see what is available for installation?
[10:46] <jbailey> zenwhen: MSN has been having problems since this monring - it has nothing to do with any gaim upgrade.
[10:46] <cthulfuego> balbo: There _no need whatsoever_ to recompile *everything* with custom gcc flags, it normally doesn't do ANYTHING to speed stuff up. Certainly not to the point where you gain back the cpu cycles you spent compiling it.
[10:46] <cthulfuego> balbo: Yep.
[10:46] <ssam> defualt gcc flags are good unless you have weird requirements
[10:47] <cthulfuego> ssam: So why bother getting source AT ALL then? Why not just use a binary package?
[10:47] <zenwhen> jbailey, oh ok
[10:47] <balbo> cthulfuego: where is it?
[10:47] <cthulfuego> balbo: Lemme check
[10:47] <Krypt0n> Yes, MSN is down at the moment for me also.
[10:47] <ssam> on ubuntu i dont even have gcc and stuff installed
[10:48] <ssam> everything i can think of is in the repos
[10:48] <farruinn> archive.ubuntu.com
[10:48] <farruinn> balbo: ^^
[10:48] <Anubis> balbo, why leave gentoo?
[10:48] <Nekohayo> cthulfuego, thanks, that restored faith in sound for gnome :) I'll see how it manages with the 4.1 system
[10:48] <cthulfuego> farruinn: thanks :-)
[10:48] <randabis> ubuntu packages
[10:48] <randabis> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[10:48] <balbo> Anubis: pain in the ass to compile stuff.
[10:48] <cthulfuego> Anubis: To save the trees.
[10:48] <jaza> anyone kno where i can get some nice themes for my desktop/gnome or wtvr
[10:49] <farruinn> jaza: gnome-look.org
[10:49] <randabis> art.gnome.org too
[10:49] <jaza> thnx
[10:49] <raj> where can I get redhat artwork for ubuntu?
[10:50] <jaza> does wart have gtk 1 or 2?????
[10:50] <jaza> warty*&
[10:50] <jaza> -&
[10:50] <randabis> both
[10:50] <jaza> coo
[10:50] <randabis> use gtk2 though
[10:50] <jaza> k
[10:50] <Nekohayo> is there an irc channel for rsync?
[10:50] <iocaste> jaza: these 3D Ubuntu wallpapers are nice: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13360
[10:51] <jaza> thnx
[10:51] <Anubis> Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root: Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file.
[10:51] <Anubis> please help
[10:51] <cthulfuego> Would be nice if they came in a non-pissy resolution, though.
[10:51] <Anubis> I can't run synaptic now
[10:52] <farruinn> Anubis: using gksudo?
[10:52] <Anubis> I have it installed
[10:53] <Anubis> don't know if I'm using it though
[10:53] <farruinn> use 'gksudo synaptic' not sudo/su
[10:53] <Anubis> I was just calling it from the menu
[10:53] <farruinn> oh, heheh, ...
[10:53] <Anubis> I was just calling it from the menu
[10:54] <Anubis>  gksudo synaptic
[10:54] <Anubis> Error copying '/home/anubis/.Xauthority' to '/tmp/libgksu1.2-34wJrI': Permission deniedError copying '/home/anubis/.Xauthority' to '/tmp/libgksu1.2-OlxZXi': Permission deniedanubis@ubuntu:~ $
[10:54] <I_Need_Help> whats a fast reliable Burning AUDIO CD PROGRAM
[10:54] <Anubis> I_Need_Help, xcdroast
[10:55] <farruinn> Anubis: you used your own user password when it asked?
[10:56] <sycat> Hoary live (gnoppix version) - quite solid thing, congratulations.
[10:56] <siropel> is there a service manager in ubuntu ?
[10:57] <Anubis> farruinn, yes, I just fixed it
[10:57] <farruinn> Anubis: cool, what was t he problem?
[10:57] <mg> hi, can anyone recommend a gnome rss panel applet?
[10:57] <I_Need_Help> how do I configure xcdroast
[10:58] <dreamwave> cthulfuego, finally got it.  i had to unplug and replug in the firewire cable.  then linux noticed the new device and set it up.  thanks for the help
[10:58] <cthulfuego> dreamwave: Enjoy :-)
[10:58] <I_Need_Help> how do I configure xcdroast
[10:58] <dreamwave> btw: is there a gnome util to set up mount points (instead of hand editing /etc/fstab)?
[10:58] <Anubis> .Xauthority had somehow obtained root's permissions
[10:59] <Nafallo> what module hooks drm in the beginning of the bootprocess?
[11:00] <I_Need_Help> is there any other cd burning programs other then k3b and xcdroast
[11:00] <tritium> graveman
[11:01] <IRCUser01> what is difference between gnoppix and ubuntu live cd ?
[11:01] <I_Need_Help> so how do I get roots for xcdroast, I'm soo stumped
[11:01] <bitfoo> is there new azureus for hoary?
[11:02] <Pugio> hello
[11:02] <farruinn> I_Need_Help: sudo, read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:02] <TanTh> Hello.
[11:02] <Pugio> I have some issues with a fresh issue of ubuntu
[11:02] <Pugio> erm, fresh install
[11:03] <thundrcleeze> I have some issues with cedega.
[11:03] <thundrcleeze> But I don't care.
[11:03] <Pugio> the LiveCD works great, but I'm having multiple issues with X11 on the actual install
[11:03] <bob2> IRCUser01: nothing
[11:03] <Pugio> so, right now I"m booted into the LiveCD and I want to fix up the actual install
[11:03] <IRCUser01> bob2:  so then why is there different cd versions on each server?
[11:04] <Pugio> could someone assist me in this perhaps?
[11:04] <IRCUser01> bob2:  They should merge servers and have the same version #s
[11:04] <bob2> IRCUser01: ok! they have the same md5sum, tho.
[11:04] <bob2> thundrcleeze: that's what the install cd is for.
[11:04] <I_Need_Help> i know how to be root
[11:04] <IRCUser01> bob2:  I didnt know that
[11:05] <I_Need_Help> but it says in xcdroast about root config file
[11:05] <IRCUser01> bob2:  so which one is the latest?  :)
[11:05] <thundrcleeze> bob2: I know that, but Knoppix installs fine, why can't Ubuntu have a script?
[11:05] <IRCUser01> bob2:  If i want the latest and greatest hoary livecd test release, which one should i get?
[11:05] <bob2> thundrcleeze: I'm not sure how you'd fit 640MB of packages on the cd in addition to the 640MB cloop image.
[11:05] <bob2> IRCUser01: indeedy, cdimage.ubuntu.com
[11:05] <GFXstyLER> i guess i have to reinstall ubuntu, i have some serious dependency errors
[11:06] <bob2> GFXstyLER: how did you manage that?
[11:06] <cavedive1> hi guys. I'm experiencing total computer freeze lately. Had no problems at all the first 3 month. I can't find anything useful in the logs. How can I most easily troubleshoot this ?
[11:06] <bob2> it's best to not ask questions in /me
[11:06] <GFXstyLER> i thought of adding ubuntu-backport and debian mirrors to my sources.list and did a dist-upgrade
[11:06] <TanTh> Ok...
[11:06] <Nafallo> something loading early use drm, so fglrx can't load. I'll consider this a bug, but I don't know what I should sign the bug against. anyone else seeing this?
[11:06] <bob2> GFXstyLER: haha
[11:06] <Nafallo> amd64 btw
[11:06] <IRCUser01> bob2:  Does ubuntu array 4 have gnome 2.10 beta?
[11:06] <bob2> GFXstyLER: shockingly
[11:07] <TanTh> Should I repeat it?
[11:07] <jdub> IRCUser01: yes
[11:07] <bob2> IRCUser01: 2.9, yes
[11:07] <IRCUser01> bob2:  No i mean 2.10
[11:07] <farruinn> GFXstyLER: wow, backports and debian mirrors all at once? you're crazy!
[11:07] <IRCUser01> bob2:  Gnoppix has 2.10 beta
[11:07] <bob2> IRCUser01: yadayada
[11:07] <bob2> IRCUser01: = 2.9
[11:07] <bob2> IRCUser01: that's wha hoary has had for months
[11:07] <IRCUser01> bob2:  So 2.10 = 2.9?
[11:07] <IRCUser01> 2.10 beta i mean?
[11:08] <randabis> 2.9.90-1
[11:08] <IRCUser01> yeah
[11:08] <farruinn> odd versions are development, even stable
[11:08] <bob2> 2.9 is the devel series for 2.10
[11:08] <TanTh> Can anyone help me get a Dell Inspiron modem working?
[11:08] <IRCUser01> ok
[11:08] <GFXstyLER> doesnt really matter, i have enough time :)
[11:08] <IRCUser01> thanks bob2
[11:08] <IRCUser01> ok same thing then
[11:08] <bob2> TanTh: you probably need linuxant drivers
[11:08] <TanTh> Where would I go for those?
[11:08] <randabis> www.linuxant.com
[11:09] <IRCUser01> bob2:  Gnoppix website is much cleaner than ubuntu website
[11:09] <bob2> that involves money or 9600, tho.
[11:09] <bob2> IRCUser01: ok!
[11:09] <TanTh> Thanks!  I'll get to work on it.
[11:09] <IRCUser01> bob2:  :)
[11:09] <IRCUser01> bob2:  You know what happened to the website redesign contest?
[11:09] <randabis> until he finds out it's not free...
[11:09] <randabis> lolz
[11:09] <IRCUser01> cant wait for the new website :)
[11:09] <kbrooks> How can I make GNOME stop automatically mounting cds / devices when they are inserted
[11:10] <bluefoxicy> this is retarded
[11:10] <bluefoxicy> if I use nvidia now, X sets my resolution to 1024x768
[11:10] <bluefoxicy> there's no way for me to force it to do 1400x1050 (it was doing it prior to rebooting)
[11:10] <bluefoxicy> it goes "huh.  I think 74hz is outside your hsync range so I'm setting it to 70.  Now you can't handle more than 1024x768" .  . . my eyes can't handle less than 1280
[11:10] <bob2> IRCUser01: still underway
[11:11] <dreamer> bluefoxicy: I had a similar problem with my lcd, but I just manually set the hsync and vsync + res
[11:11] <dreamer> in .Xdefaults or whatever it was ;)
[11:11] <bluefoxicy> dreamer:  I set them manually in xorg.conf
[11:11] <bluefoxicy> and it was like "OMFG DDC LOOK HSYNC TOO BIG"
[11:11] <dreamer> heh
[11:11] <bluefoxicy> and set them back
[11:12] <bluefoxicy> and I'm like 'WTF, gimme the ruler, I need to break your hand now'
[11:12] <dreamer> that sounds most unhelpful
[11:12] <bluefoxicy> yes
[11:12] <cavedive1> I'm trying to install firefox 1 in warty. I changed my sources to hoary and did a apt-get install mozilla-firefox and got this:  mozilla-firefox: Depends: libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.9.90) but 2.8.2-0ubuntu1 is to be installe
[11:12] <cavedive1> Worked fine with Thunderbird
[11:12] <bluefoxicy> (WW) NVIDIA(0): The user specified HorizSync "30.000-74.000" has been adjusted
[11:12] <bluefoxicy> (WW) NVIDIA(0):      to "30.000-70.000" (the intersection with EDID-specified
[11:12] <bluefoxicy> (WW) NVIDIA(0):      HorizSync "30.000-70.000")
[11:12] <zerokarmaleft> cavedive1, use warty backports instead of hoary sources
[11:12] <jaza> how do i install a theme????/
[11:12] <bluefoxicy> (WW) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "1400x1050" (width 1400 is larger than
[11:12] <bluefoxicy> (WW) NVIDIA(0):      EDID-specified maximum 1024)
[11:12] <jaza> i got one no idea how to install and no directions in readme
[11:12] <randabis> warty backports sucks though
[11:12] <cavedive1> zerokarmaleft: don'twork with amd64 arch !
[11:12] <bluefoxicy> dreamer:  that came out of xorg
[11:13] <jaza> anyone :D
[11:13] <soopurman> does anyone know how to enable dma for a dvd drive in hoary on amd64 ?
[11:13] <GFXstyLER> jaza: computer/desktop settings/themes
[11:13] <dreamer> what's EDID?
[11:13] <randabis> warty backports would be good, except for the fact that the maintainer doesn't version his packages correctly
[11:13] <HrdwrBoB> bluefoxicy: turn off edid in the nvidia drivers, check the readme for the nvidia stuff
[11:13] <dreamer> in terms of the specified maximum
[11:13] <cavedive1> Seems like hoary ff package os the only way to get FF 1.0 in AMD64 warty
[11:13] <bluefoxicy> HrdwrBoB: ok
[11:13] <jaza> anyone know how to install a theme?
[11:14] <randabis> use gnome-theme-manager
[11:14] <jaza> where
[11:14] <jaza> o
[11:14] <GFXstyLER> computer/desktop settings/themes
[11:14] <bluefoxicy> HrdwrBoB:  where the heck is the readme
[11:14] <HrdwrBoB> nfi I always go to nvidia.com :)
[11:14] <bluefoxicy> HrdwrBoB:  none of the readmes in the source directory mention options
[11:14] <zerokarmaleft> cavedive1, well it sounds like you can either make the full leap to hoary, use mozilla's binary installer, or build from source yourself
[11:14] <HrdwrBoB> hangon
[11:15] <cavedive1> zerokarmaleft: ok.
[11:15] <HrdwrBoB> ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-6629/README.txt
[11:15] <HrdwrBoB> that one
[11:15] <HrdwrBoB>         Option "IgnoreEDID" "boolean"
[11:15] <cavedive1> zerokarmaleft: the mozilla installer don't work either.
[11:15] <cavedive1> unfortunately
[11:15] <cavedive1> something is missing and i don't know how to install it. Some library.
[11:15] <bitfoo> yo
[11:16] <IRCUser01> sure it may break, but its a livecd :P
[11:16] <bluefoxicy> thanks
[11:16] <jaza> hmm do i install the theme as gz.zip or what file do i open in theme manager to install it??
[11:16] <zerokarmaleft> cavedive1, what library?
[11:16] <bitfoo> anyone know where azureus is in hoary? i have universe and multiverse enabled? :|
[11:16] <cavedive1> I'll check
[11:16] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: it's not there
[11:16] <HrdwrBoB> bitfoo: you will have to install java
[11:16] <GFXstyLER> unzip the theme to /home/[your username] /.themes
[11:16] <cavedive1> zerokarmaleft: ./firefox-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:16] <HrdwrBoB> and then install azureus
[11:17] <bitfoo> HrdwrBoB, i have java installed
[11:17] <bitfoo> oh ok you mean from the source
[11:17] <bitfoo> gotcha thanks :D
[11:17] <HrdwrBoB> np :)
[11:18] <jaza> what was that theme site again?
[11:18] <jaza> gnome-art or gnome -love something
[11:18] <jaza> ?
[11:18] <jaza> lol
[11:18] <orospakr> art.gnome.org?
[11:18] <jaza> maybe
[11:18] <GFXstyLER> www.gnome-look.org
[11:18] <iapx8088> gnome-look
[11:18] <jaza> ya thats it
[11:18] <zerokarmaleft> cavedive1, that's odd
[11:18] <bitfoo> art.gnome.org i think too
[11:18] <cavedive1> zerokarmaleft:  i know :/
[11:18] <zerokarmaleft> cavedive1, that shared lib is in libgtk
[11:19] <cavedive1> oh ok. let's try install that
[11:19] <zerokarmaleft> cavedive1, it should already be installed
[11:19] <bitfoo> wow i didnt know gnome had a builtin client o_O
[11:19] <bitfoo> for bittorrent
[11:19] <cavedive1> zerokarmaleft: ok, i'll do a dpkg -l|grep libgtk then
[11:19] <dreamwave> is it possible to play any of my MP3s from the live CD?  ogg files played fine though.
[11:19] <cavedive1> see what comes up
[11:20] <Krypt0n> Install XMMS.
[11:20] <cavedive1> Well, it did return a bunch of stuff.
[11:20] <randabis-laptop> it sucks bitfoo
[11:20] <cavedive1> zerokarmaleft: I had a fair bit of libgtk stuff installed.
[11:21] <dreamwave> Krypt0n, I'd love too.  but i'm running from the live CD.
[11:22] <zerokarmaleft> cavedive1, ls /usr/lib | grep libgtk-x11 anything?
[11:22] <bitfoo> anyone suggest jar over gtk?
[11:23] <cavedive1> zerokarmaleft: yes. libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[11:23] <cavedive1> libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.600.1
[11:23] <Grendel|> anyone ready to aid a newbie?
[11:24] <bob2> it's waaaaay better to just ask
[11:24] <bitfoo> yeh :|
[11:24] <Grendel|> heh
[11:24] <Grendel|> I nedd to enable signing in samba
[11:24] <zerokarmaleft> another dead end...that's the symlink the installer's looking for...hmm
[11:24] <Grendel|> and I haven't a clue as to how it is done
[11:26] <Nekohayo> question: I have a script sending files from the main drive (reiserFS) to a USB2 drive (FAT32) through rsync, but it always transfer files, even if there was no change at all.. ideas? the current script is:          rsync -rltD --delete --delete-excluded --progress
[11:26] <Infernal_Demon> hey guys I am trying to get the irssi irc client
[11:26] <cavedive1> apt-get install irssi-text
[11:26] <cavedive1> i think
[11:26] <Infernal_Demon> but it doesn't seem to be one version for ubuntu
[11:26] <Infernal_Demon> cavedive1 what is that for?
[11:26] <Infernal_Demon> can't I just download it?
[11:26] <Agrajag> Infernal_Demon: uh, that's how you install it
[11:26] <bob2> Infernal_Demon: the package name is irssi-text, as cavedive1 says
[11:27] <Agrajag> Infernal_Demon: that does download it
[11:27] <Infernal_Demon> yes
[11:27] <cavedive1> Infernal_Demon: just how to install it.
[11:27] <bob2> Nekohayo: fat32 may not store mtime
[11:27] <bob2> I don't know
[11:27] <bob2> Nekohayo: on/win164
[11:27] <Infernal_Demon> but I am at the site and I can't find one for ubuntu
[11:27] <cavedive1> then run it with irssi -n nickname -c irc.server.td
[11:27] <Infernal_Demon> there is for gentoo, redhat
[11:27] <Infernal_Demon> and some others
[11:27] <Agrajag> Infernal_Demon: that's not how you get software in linux
[11:27] <bob2> Infernal_Demon: indeed, it's *in* ubuntu, no need to download it
[11:27] <Agrajag> Infernal_Demon: open a terminal
[11:27] <Infernal_Demon> Agrajag ?
[11:27] <cavedive1> Infernal_Demon: I'm using irssi right now, in ubuntu so it do exist
[11:27] <Agrajag> a terminal.
[11:27] <Infernal_Demon> ok
[11:27] <Infernal_Demon> I open a terminal
[11:27] <Agrajag> applications > system tools > terminal
[11:28] <Agrajag> yes
[11:28] <Infernal_Demon> and then what?
[11:28] <Agrajag> now.
[11:28] <Nekohayo> bob2, then what should I do? Fat is mostly the only way to keep it portable and flexible
[11:28] <Agrajag> type "sudo apt-get install irssi-text"
[11:28] <Agrajag> without the wuotes of course
[11:28] <bob2> Nekohayo: don't know
[11:28] <Agrajag> quotes
[11:28] <Agrajag> then hit enter
[11:28] <Nekohayo> hmm kay thanks anyways
[11:28] <bob2> cthulfuego: your fridge cost you LCA
[11:28] <looksaus> I have 2 ethernet adapters in my system, with a kernel I baked myself (need root-on-raid support)
[11:28] <Xnalz> Hey I was wondeirng, just started using gnoppix is there a reason why the back button on firefox does not work?
[11:28] <cthulfuego> bob2: No, the washing machine did.
[11:28] <Infernal_Demon> it says it couldn't find the packages
[11:29] <darkx> my dns servers in my /etc/resolv.conf keep getting overwritten at every boot, i installed dnsmasq, pump, and resolvconf, and im running hoary, any ideas on how to make my dns servers stick?
[11:29] <looksaus> only one of them is being recognised by my (monolithic) kernel
[11:29] <cthulfuego> bob2: Well, I may yet find a way...
[11:29] <cthulfuego> bob2: Do they take AMEX?
[11:29] <cavedive1> Infernal_Demon: apt-cache search|grep irssi says what?
[11:29] <Agrajag> wait a minute
[11:29] <bob2> cthulfuego: next year'll be NZ...
[11:29] <bob2> cthulfuego: yup
[11:29] <Agrajag> isn't irssi in ubuntu-desktop?
[11:29] <cthulfuego> bob2: muahaha....
[11:29] <cavedive1> Perhapt it is in the other repositorys. Multiverse or universe
[11:29] <Infernal_Demon> cavedive1 E: Couldn't find package irsii-text
[11:29] <bob2> cthulfuego: everything but bullshit cards like "discover", afaik ;)
[11:29] <looksaus> is there a way to find which adapter I'm using now?
[11:29] <bob2> Infernal_Demon: irssi-txt
[11:30] <Agrajag> Infernal_Demon: you mispelled it
[11:30] <will> where do i put the nvidia-settings --load-config-only command to autostart when the gdm loads up?
[11:30] <Infernal_Demon> ops
[11:30] <Agrajag> bob2: no
[11:30] <Agrajag> irssi-text
[11:30] <bob2> Infernal_Demon: you need to read what people are saying more carefully
[11:30] <bob2> er, right
[11:30] <bob2> and I need to type more carefully
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> Agrajag: irssi-text is in ubuntu-desktop yes
[11:30] <Agrajag> HrdwrBoB: then he should have it already
[11:30] <Infernal_Demon> [22:28]  (Agrajag) type "sudo apt-get install irssi-text"
[11:30] <Infernal_Demon> he said text
[11:30] <cthulfuego> bob2: discover is a linux tool, not a card ;-)
[11:30] <cavedive1> maybe you need to add muliverse and universe to your /ETC/apt/sources.list
[11:30] <klp2> hello everyone
[11:30] <Infernal_Demon> bob2 I am reading it carefully
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> cthulfuego: it's a credit card ;)
[11:30] <bob2> hah
[11:30] <Agrajag> Infernal_Demon: what happens when you type irssi and enter in the terminal?
[11:31] <cavedive1> Infernal_Demon: yes, irssi-text is correct.
[11:31] <bob2> cavedive1: no, irssi is Free
[11:31] <Agrajag> Infernal_Demon: you tried to install "irsii-text", not "irssi-text"
[11:31] <Infernal_Demon> it starts irssi
[11:31] <Agrajag> Infernal_Demon: what happens when you type irssi and enter in the terminal?
[11:31] <Agrajag> Infernal_Demon: well then
[11:31] <Agrajag> what's the problem?
[11:31] <Agrajag> It's installed already, it's installed by default on ubuntu.
[11:31] <cavedive1> Well then his sources must be broken or somethingf
[11:31] <Infernal_Demon> but isn't there like a way to run it like x-chat
[11:31] <Agrajag> cavedive1: no they're not.
[11:32] <bob2> Infernal_Demon: it's not an X application
 cavedive1 E: Couldn't find package irsii-text
[11:32] <cavedive1> Infernal_Demon: dpkg-l|grep irssi , what's your result
[11:32] <Agrajag> cavedive1: LOOK AGAIN
[11:32] <Agrajag> jeez
[11:32] <Agrajag> he mispelled it, and he already has it installed anyway
[11:32] <dud> http://anarchy.dudcore.net/imgs/view_album.php?set_albumName=gnome <--- w00t isnt that nice? :O
[11:32] <cavedive1> Agrajag: what?!
[11:32] <dud> ubuntu magic
[11:32] <klp2> is anyone using Gaim for msn access?
[11:32] <cavedive1> Agrajag: alright !
[11:32] <will> where do i put the nvidia-settings --load-config-only command to autostart when the gdm loads up?
[11:33] <Infernal_Demon> Agrajag but I don't want to run it from the console
[11:33] <Agrajag> Infernal_Demon: how do you want to run it then?
[11:33] <Agrajag> it's a console program
[11:33] <cavedive1> Infernal_Demon: but it's a console program i believe.
[11:33] <cavedive1> If you want graphical, irssi is not what you want.
[11:33] <bob2> it is indeed
[11:33] <bob2> and far better for it
[11:34] <Nekohayo> klp2, MSN is down today
[11:34] <klp2> thanks Nekohayo
[11:34] <klp2> I just wanted to confirm that
[11:34] <Nekohayo> no problem
[11:34] <klp2> I wiped my disk today and installed Ubuntu
[11:34] <Infernal_Demon> ok
[11:35] <Infernal_Demon> thanks
[11:35] <klp2> so I wasn't sure
[11:35] <Nekohayo> you could go to the messenger.msn.ca (for example) and see how their webservers always pathetically crash XD
[11:35] <djk> is this the right place to talk about hoary?
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> Infernal_Demon: xchat is graphical irssi  is text
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> text is generally better
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> but it's up to you
[11:35] <klp2> who needs msn anyway?
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> djk: pretty much
[11:35] <kent> so its msn and not gaim that is to blame for non-working msn today?
[11:35] <djk> cool
[11:35] <djk> well has anyone had any issues with the latest updates?
[11:35] <djk> my system no longer boots
[11:35] <klp2> iqc and irc are working fine :-)
[11:36] <cavedive1> kent: msn
[11:36] <djk> anyone else had any problems?
[11:36] <zerokarmaleft> djk, just deb conflict between gnome-icon-themes and gnome-panel-data, already on bugzilla
[11:36] <zerokarmaleft> djk, no booting problems though
[11:36] <djk> oh
[11:36] <djk> :(
[11:36] <will> how do you autostart something when the GDM loads?
[11:36] <djk> I am at a loss
[11:36] <djk> I have no idea what's happened
[11:36] <zerokarmaleft> djk, how far does your system get?
[11:37] <djk> wait one sec, just booting it
[11:37] <djk> AndyR: I had no issues in that department
[11:37] <klp2> thanks, bye
[11:37] <djk> zerokarmaleft: be with you in 1 second
[11:37] <djk> ok,
[11:38] <djk> after "Starting Ubuntu" I get: "VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hda1.'
[11:38] <djk> then it tries to modprobe something
[11:38] <djk> but obviously if it can't mount the root filesystem, it can't do anything.
[11:38] <djk> right?
[11:38] <djk> that's where it gets to.
[11:38] <djk> any ideas? :)
[11:39] <djk> ubuntu is on hda2
[11:39] <djk> I have no idea why it's trying to find an ext3 filesystem on hda1
[11:41] <djk> any ideas, zerokarmaleft?
[11:42] <zerokarmaleft> djk, how are your partitions setup?
[11:42] <Infernal_Demon> can anyone please tell me were I can get the basics of linux commands
[11:42] <Infernal_Demon> and it's structures
[11:42] <Infernal_Demon> please
[11:42] <djk> dev/hda1 is linux native
[11:42] <djk> er
[11:42] <djk> hda2 that is
[11:43] <djk> hda1 is my windows partition
[11:43] <djk> hda4 is linux swap
[11:43] <djk> thing is, this worked all perfectely well before this last batch of updates.
[11:43] <djk> I just need to undo that somehow :(
[11:43] <djk> or something like that.
[11:43] <zerokarmaleft> what filesystem are you using for /dev/hda1?
[11:44] <djk> ntfs
[11:44] <zerokarmaleft> uh
[11:44] <zerokarmaleft> oh /dev/hda2 i mean
[11:44] <djk> ext3
[11:45] <zerokarmaleft> you might need to boot up a live CD so you can check your grub config
[11:45] <djk> hmm
[11:45] <djk> check what exactly, in grub?
[11:45] <Lucien> Hey, can someone help me with an easy problem, only it's not that simple for me, but that is because I have no idea which codecs to install.
[11:46] <djk> booting live CD now..
[11:46] <zerokarmaleft> well, there should be sections for each operating system or kernel versions
[11:46] <djk> yeah, I'll check out menu.lst
[11:46] <djk> I'm assuming you think the latest updates changed something in my grub config?
[11:47] <zerokarmaleft> possibly
[11:48] <zerokarmaleft> but if grub's configured wrong, the kernel's going to complain very loudly that it can't mount a root filesystem and won't go any further
[11:49] <silva> there are a site like apps-kde.org
[11:49] <silva> for ubuntu
[11:50] <WW> Hello world.
[11:50] <foznot> i cannot get my ubuntu to recognize my soundcard for a MSI N7K2 Delta2-LSR mobo
[11:51] <foznot> anyone else have this problem?
[11:51] <WW> I just got a new monitor.  Is there a recommended way to set it up?  My current monitor was set up automatically when I installed warty.
[11:51] <foznot> shouldn't rerunning base-config help with that WW?
[11:52] <Infernal_Demon> can anyone tell me the basic commands
[11:52] <WW> Maybe...  I don't know what base-config is!
[11:52] <Infernal_Demon> hello???
[11:52] <Cloudchaser> well i've just hosed up my pc...grub's busted...i think i'm going to save my ubuntu data and start all over again
[11:52] <farruinn> base-config won't do that, but 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' will
[11:52] <zerokarmaleft> Infernal_Demon, http://www.tldp.org
[11:53] <TanTh> Ok, I just found the package I need... can anyone suggest a way to install it?
[11:53] <farruinn> TanTh: did you find it in synaptic?
[11:53] <TanTh> No, I downloaded it and pulled it off the NTFS onto the ubuntu desktop for my user name.  Synaptic doesn't see it there.
[11:53] <farruinn> but it is a .deb?
[11:54] <TanTh> I asked Synaptic where it looks, and it's answer was essentially 'on ubuntu.org and your cdrom'.
[11:54] <TanTh> Yes.
[11:54] <AndyR> WW, i used /usr/X11R6/bin/xorgcfg
[11:54] <farruinn> sudo dpkg -i [packagename] 
[11:54] <AndyR> in hoary to config
[11:54] <TanTh> I tried using the repository control to tell it to look at the desktop.  It answered, "I beg your pardon?"
[11:54] <WW> AndyR: I think I'd need something different, since I'm running warty.
[11:55] <TanTh> Just use dpkg -i?  Does that tag it for Synaptic, or does that skip Synapic and install?
[11:55] <AndyR> x86cfg?
[11:55] <AndyR> im guessing
[11:55] <farruinn> TanTh: installs. Synaptic actually does that
[11:55] <TanTh> And after I do that and install it, can I then remove it without confusing Synaptic?
[11:55] <TanTh> That is to say, can I move the 'deb' file without causing problems?
[11:56] <farruinn> once it's installed Synaptic will know about it and can remove it
[11:56] <farruinn> oh, yes
[11:56] <TanTh> Excellent.  Than you, Farruin!!
[11:56] <WW> Is there a program for automatically detecting and configuring a monitor?
[11:56] <mpq> I need help
[11:56] <mpq> I did something wrong but I don't know what
[11:56] <Lucien> Yes, so do I.
[11:57] <mpq> I downloaded the live cd
[11:57] <mpq> and burned it
[11:57] <mpq> when I restarted it didn't boot
[11:57] <AndyR> TanTh needs help, his isp in AOL :)
[11:57] <farruinn> WW did you try dpkg-reconfigure?
[11:57] <aroben> Is anyone here able to install gnome-panel in Hoary?
[11:57] <captpackrat> Hello.  Total Linux noob here.  When I installed Ubuntu, there were two CD-ROM drives in the machine.   I took one out because the user would not need it.   Now how do I get rid of CD-ROM 2 from the Computer window?
[11:58] <Pugio-Other> hey hey hey
[11:58] <mpq> I am a total noob
[11:58] <Pugio-Other> quick question - I'm using warty and I want to upgrade firefox to 1.0....
[11:58] <aroben> I get two uninstallable dependencies when I try to install gnome-panel
[11:58] <Pugio-Other> How?
[11:58] <mpq> I don't even know how to boot from a cd
[11:58] <farruinn> captpackrat: are both icons present?
[11:58] <Pugio-Other> do I have to use a hoary source or something in apt-get?
[11:58] <dud> Pugio-Other, backports, or upgrade to hoary
[11:58] <captpackrat> Yes, CD-ROM 1 and CD-ROM 2.
[11:58] <Pugio-Other> dud what is "backports"?
[11:58] <zerokarmaleft> aroben, what dependencies
[11:58] <bob2> or just deal, since 1.0 isn't that big a difference
[11:58] <WW> farruin: Not yet, and I'm still using the old monitor.  Will dpkg-reconfigure probe the hardware and figure out the correct settings?
[11:59] <aroben> zerokarmaleft: libecal and libedataserver
[11:59] <mpq> how do I boot from a CD?
[11:59] <dud> Pugio-Other, http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/
[11:59] <randabis> I advise against using them though :/
[11:59] <randabis> jdong doesn't version them correctly
[11:59] <Pugio-Other> randabis that was to me?
[11:59] <bzbb> what program to I use to burn a data CD?
[11:59] <randabis> so upgrading to hoary can be a pain if you use backports
[11:59] <Loevborg> bzbb, just nautilus.
[11:59] <Pugio-Other> randabis ahh, so how can I upgrade this obviously outdated firefox/
[11:59] <Pugio-Other> ?
[11:59] <bzbb> I use KDE