mdz | ok | 01:01 |
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jbailey | I've just offered to paste our conversation to him in /msg, just a sec. | 01:02 |
doko | just wanted to clarify the gcc-4.0 upload | 01:02 |
mdz | mpfr should be fine | 01:03 |
doko | autogen is for the fixincludes testsuite, I did replace type-handling | 01:03 |
mdz | autogen looks fine as well | 01:04 |
doko | currently 4.0 didn't branch yet. I'd like to make one update when gcc-4.0 is branched. that's not a guarantee that there are no more ABI changes, but it's closer to a release. | 01:05 |
doko | The only packages affected are libgcc1 and libobjc1, the others should be used by Jeff's Java stuff only. | 01:06 |
mdz | is this the same update that jbailey mentioned? | 01:06 |
doko | yes | 01:06 |
mdz | hmm | 01:06 |
mdz | libobjc1 is not very important | 01:06 |
mdz | but we would need to carefully review the libgcc changes | 01:06 |
jbailey | mdz: I did an ABI check yesterday on libgcc, and that's the same. | 01:06 |
mdz | jbailey said mid-to-late February | 01:06 |
jbailey | I haven't audited the changes between them, but it's easy enough. | 01:06 |
mdz | we need to be very careful as we approach preview freeze | 01:06 |
mdz | after preview we will be a bit less strict, but the preview release must be very solid | 01:07 |
doko | maybe more late February. OTOH, we can track libgcc1 specific changes in the upstream sources | 01:07 |
jbailey | mdz: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2005-02/msg00079.html is the message from Mark Mitchell (RM for GCC) saying that he plans to branch on Feb 24th. | 01:07 |
mdz | is it possible to reduce the number of gccs in main? | 01:08 |
mdz | with 4.0, that will be 3 | 01:08 |
mdz | do we need all 3? | 01:08 |
doko | no. certainly not 3.3 at this point, 3.4 is currently configured for amd64 to be C++ ABI compatible with 3.3 to build the mozilla packages. | 01:09 |
mdz | gcc-3.4 seems to be used only for a few packages on amd64 | 01:09 |
doko | yes, and maybe the kernel? at least the non-official Debian port uses it for the amd64 kernel packages | 01:10 |
mdz | we use the default compiler for the kernel | 01:10 |
jbailey | Does it address your concern if gcc-4 is the only thing providing Java, and it doesn't provide C, C++ packages? | 01:10 |
doko | ehh, we do have to provide C and C++, we can package them in the same package, but why? | 01:11 |
mdz | I don't mind if it builds the C and C++ compilers (they'll end up in universe) | 01:11 |
doko | no, they'll go to main, as gcj-4.0 depends on these. | 01:11 |
mdz | hmm, I did not realize that | 01:12 |
mdz | but still, not a big problem | 01:12 |
doko | the other question is, if we want to build gcc-4.0 for other languages, but they don't hurt in universe (fortran, objc, maybe ada) | 01:13 |
mdz | if they do not initroduce any new build-deps | 01:13 |
mdz | and they do not cause FTBFS on any release architectures | 01:13 |
mdz | then sure, no problem | 01:13 |
mdz | s/initr/intr/ | 01:13 |
doko | I'm unsure if I can get the python plugin for eclipse uploaded until tomorrow... | 01:14 |
doko | that's why I currently disabled ada for all architectures. fails at least on ia64 | 01:14 |
doko | ia64 is rel.arch? | 01:14 |
mdz | no | 01:14 |
doko | ok, then I can just disabled it for ia64. | 01:15 |
doko | you can find a current set of binaries on chinstrap:~doko/uploads. These should work on i386. | 01:16 |
mdz | if you are ready to upload, then please upload sooner rather than later | 01:16 |
mdz | especially if the remaining java work is dependent on it | 01:16 |
doko | ok, first thing I do tomorrow, however I do test builds before the upload. | 01:17 |
mdz | jbailey: you need gcc-4.0 before uploading eclipse stuff, right? | 01:17 |
jbailey | mdz: Yes. | 01:17 |
mdz | jbailey: is there anything else that we are targeting for main? | 01:17 |
jbailey | mdz: No. That was actually going to be one of my questions is whether eclipse was approved for main or universe. | 01:18 |
jbailey | main would be nicer, at least for ecj. The rest of it could go into universe for now. | 01:18 |
mdz | if it's supportable, it should go into main | 01:18 |
jbailey | Yeah, I think it is. There's a huge community around it. | 01:19 |
mdz | are they mostly using commercial JVMs with it? | 01:19 |
mdz | will we be on our own with gcj, or are there others taking the same path? | 01:19 |
jbailey | FC4 has compiled eclipse with gcj. | 01:20 |
doko | redhat ... | 01:20 |
mdz | ok, good | 01:20 |
doko | btw, I did talk to Michael Koch, who does a lot of libgcj/classpath stuff upstream. He does seem to have time, so if something needs to be done on this side ... | 01:21 |
mdz | we talked with him about gcjwebplugin, but he said it would be a very large project and take a lot of time | 01:21 |
jbailey | doko: He no longer has alot of time, he's just accepted a job offer. | 01:22 |
mdz | are there any applications, other than eclipse, that we can use to "show off" our java functionality in hoary? | 01:22 |
jbailey | He does have 10% person time to allocate to various things, and I think he's planning on using it for mostly classpath related stuff. | 01:22 |
doko | well, we can look at the rhug site and see what is worth including ... | 01:23 |
jbailey | mdz: Only things that really want useful SecurityManager support. I spoke to Michael about that, and he said that it's not possible to do a stub one. | 01:23 |
mdz | so can we get all of this into hoary sometime tomorrow (earlier is better)? | 01:23 |
mdz | jbailey: can we get tomcat working? | 01:23 |
jbailey | mdz: I think so. I can beat on that one hard. | 01:24 |
mdz | or that file sharing app that everyone seems to use, I forget the name | 01:24 |
mdz | I think we probably shouldn't go crazy with bringing Java apps into main for hoary, but it would be nice to have a bunch of stuff ready-to-run in universe | 01:25 |
mdz | and eclipse in main | 01:25 |
jbailey | mdz: Is universe locked down after tomorrow as well? | 01:25 |
mdz | jbailey: no, we'll be fairly liberal with universe | 01:25 |
jbailey | mdz: 'kay. I can see about encouraging folks who've spoken to me about Java to get stuff into universe. | 01:26 |
jbailey | The MOTU fast track stuff might be nice incentive. =) | 01:26 |
mdz | right | 01:26 |
mdz | ogra has been doing some recruiting activities | 01:26 |
mdz | Java should give him additional ammunition | 01:26 |
mdz | anything else? | 01:27 |
doko | ok, my cough is getting worse, I'll sleep now. mdz, until when are you available tomorrow morning UTC? | 01:27 |
jbailey | doko: nasty, don't let it get you. I lost a pile of last week to coughing/sneezing/fever last week. | 01:27 |
mdz | doko: I'm usually here starting at 1700 or 1800 UTC | 01:28 |
mdz | doko: good night | 01:28 |
doko | mdz: no, I meant tomorrow morning | 01:28 |
mdz | doko: 1700 UTC is tomorrow morning for me | 01:28 |
mdz | oh, morning UTC | 01:29 |
jbailey | doko: You two are 10 hours apart. =) | 01:29 |
doko | mdz: ok, when do you leave tonight ;) | 01:29 |
mdz | I am not usually awake after 0800 UTC | 01:29 |
doko | ok, let's try to talk at 07:00 UTC? | 01:29 |
mdz | ok, I expect to be online at that time | 01:30 |
doko | fine, good night! | 01:30 |
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