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mdzok01:01
jbaileyI've just offered to paste our conversation to him in /msg, just a sec.01:02
dokojust wanted to clarify the gcc-4.0 upload01:02
mdzmpfr should be fine01:03
dokoautogen is for the fixincludes testsuite, I did replace type-handling01:03
mdzautogen looks fine as well01:04
dokocurrently 4.0 didn't branch yet. I'd like to make one update when gcc-4.0 is branched. that's not a guarantee that there are no more ABI changes, but it's closer to a release.01:05
dokoThe only packages affected are libgcc1 and libobjc1, the others should be used by Jeff's Java stuff only.01:06
mdzis this the same update that jbailey mentioned?01:06
dokoyes01:06
mdzhmm01:06
mdzlibobjc1 is not very important01:06
mdzbut we would need to carefully review the libgcc changes01:06
jbaileymdz: I did an ABI check yesterday on libgcc, and that's the same.01:06
mdzjbailey said mid-to-late February01:06
jbaileyI haven't audited the changes between them, but it's easy enough.01:06
mdzwe need to be very careful as we approach preview freeze01:06
mdzafter preview we will be a bit less strict, but the preview release must be very solid01:07
dokomaybe more late February. OTOH, we can track libgcc1 specific changes in the upstream sources01:07
jbaileymdz: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2005-02/msg00079.html is the message from Mark Mitchell (RM for GCC) saying that he plans to branch on Feb 24th.01:07
mdzis it possible to reduce the number of gccs in main?01:08
mdzwith 4.0, that will be 301:08
mdzdo we need all 3?01:08
dokono. certainly not 3.3 at this point, 3.4 is currently configured for amd64 to be C++ ABI compatible with 3.3 to build the mozilla packages.01:09
mdzgcc-3.4 seems to be used only for a few packages on amd6401:09
dokoyes, and maybe the kernel? at least the non-official Debian port uses it for the amd64 kernel packages01:10
mdzwe use the default compiler for the kernel01:10
jbaileyDoes it address your concern if gcc-4 is the only thing providing Java, and it doesn't provide C, C++ packages?01:10
dokoehh, we do have to provide C and C++, we can package them in the same package, but why?01:11
mdzI don't mind if it builds the C and C++ compilers (they'll end up in universe)01:11
dokono, they'll go to main, as gcj-4.0 depends on these.01:11
mdzhmm, I did not realize that01:12
mdzbut still, not a big problem01:12
dokothe other question is, if we want to build gcc-4.0 for other languages, but they don't hurt in universe (fortran, objc, maybe ada)01:13
mdzif they do not initroduce any new build-deps01:13
mdzand they do not cause FTBFS on any release architectures01:13
mdzthen sure, no problem01:13
mdzs/initr/intr/01:13
dokoI'm unsure if I can get the python plugin for eclipse uploaded until tomorrow...01:14
dokothat's why I currently disabled ada for all architectures. fails at least on ia6401:14
dokoia64 is rel.arch?01:14
mdzno01:14
dokook, then I can just disabled it for ia64.01:15
dokoyou can find a current set of binaries on chinstrap:~doko/uploads. These should work on i386.01:16
mdzif you are ready to upload, then please upload sooner rather than later01:16
mdzespecially if the remaining java work is dependent on it01:16
dokook, first thing I do tomorrow, however I do test builds before the upload.01:17
mdzjbailey: you need gcc-4.0 before uploading eclipse stuff, right?01:17
jbaileymdz: Yes.01:17
mdzjbailey: is there anything else that we are targeting for main?01:17
jbaileymdz: No.  That was actually going to be one of my questions is whether eclipse was approved for main or universe.01:18
jbaileymain would be nicer, at least for ecj.  The rest of it could go into universe for now.01:18
mdzif it's supportable, it should go into main01:18
jbaileyYeah, I think it is.  There's a huge community around it.01:19
mdzare they mostly using commercial JVMs with it?01:19
mdzwill we be on our own with gcj, or are there others taking the same path?01:19
jbaileyFC4 has compiled eclipse with gcj.01:20
dokoredhat ...01:20
mdzok, good01:20
dokobtw, I did talk to Michael Koch, who does a lot of libgcj/classpath stuff upstream. He does seem to have time, so if something needs to be done on this side ...01:21
mdzwe talked with him about gcjwebplugin, but he said it would be a very large project and take a lot of time01:21
jbaileydoko: He no longer has alot of time, he's just accepted a job offer.01:22
mdzare there any applications, other than eclipse, that we can use to "show off" our java functionality in hoary?01:22
jbaileyHe does have 10% person time to allocate to various things, and I think he's planning on using it for mostly classpath related stuff.01:22
dokowell, we can look at the rhug site and see what is worth including ...01:23
jbaileymdz: Only things that really want useful SecurityManager support.  I spoke to Michael about that, and he said that it's not possible to do a stub one.01:23
mdzso can we get all of this into hoary sometime tomorrow (earlier is better)?01:23
mdzjbailey: can we get tomcat working?01:23
jbaileymdz: I think so.  I can beat on that one hard.01:24
mdzor that file sharing app that everyone seems to use, I forget the name01:24
mdzI think we probably shouldn't go crazy with bringing Java apps into main for hoary, but it would be nice to have a bunch of stuff ready-to-run in universe01:25
mdzand eclipse in main01:25
jbaileymdz:  Is universe locked down after tomorrow as well?01:25
mdzjbailey: no, we'll be fairly liberal with universe01:25
jbaileymdz: 'kay.  I can see about encouraging folks who've spoken to me about Java to get stuff into universe.01:26
jbaileyThe MOTU fast track stuff might be nice incentive. =)01:26
mdzright01:26
mdzogra has been doing some recruiting activities01:26
mdzJava should give him additional ammunition01:26
mdzanything else?01:27
dokook, my cough is getting worse, I'll sleep now. mdz, until when are you available tomorrow morning UTC?01:27
jbaileydoko: nasty, don't let it get you.  I lost a pile of last week to coughing/sneezing/fever last week.01:27
mdzdoko: I'm usually here starting at 1700 or 1800 UTC01:28
mdzdoko: good night01:28
dokomdz: no, I meant tomorrow morning01:28
mdzdoko: 1700 UTC is tomorrow morning for me01:28
mdzoh, morning UTC01:29
jbaileydoko: You two are 10 hours apart. =)01:29
dokomdz: ok, when do you leave tonight ;)01:29
mdzI am not usually awake after 0800 UTC01:29
dokook, let's try to talk at 07:00 UTC?01:29
mdzok, I expect to be online at that time01:30
dokofine, good night!01:30
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