[01:01] ok [01:02] I've just offered to paste our conversation to him in /msg, just a sec. [01:02] just wanted to clarify the gcc-4.0 upload [01:03] mpfr should be fine [01:03] autogen is for the fixincludes testsuite, I did replace type-handling [01:04] autogen looks fine as well [01:05] currently 4.0 didn't branch yet. I'd like to make one update when gcc-4.0 is branched. that's not a guarantee that there are no more ABI changes, but it's closer to a release. [01:06] The only packages affected are libgcc1 and libobjc1, the others should be used by Jeff's Java stuff only. [01:06] is this the same update that jbailey mentioned? [01:06] yes [01:06] hmm [01:06] libobjc1 is not very important [01:06] but we would need to carefully review the libgcc changes [01:06] mdz: I did an ABI check yesterday on libgcc, and that's the same. [01:06] jbailey said mid-to-late February [01:06] I haven't audited the changes between them, but it's easy enough. [01:06] we need to be very careful as we approach preview freeze [01:07] after preview we will be a bit less strict, but the preview release must be very solid [01:07] maybe more late February. OTOH, we can track libgcc1 specific changes in the upstream sources [01:07] mdz: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2005-02/msg00079.html is the message from Mark Mitchell (RM for GCC) saying that he plans to branch on Feb 24th. [01:08] is it possible to reduce the number of gccs in main? [01:08] with 4.0, that will be 3 [01:08] do we need all 3? [01:09] no. certainly not 3.3 at this point, 3.4 is currently configured for amd64 to be C++ ABI compatible with 3.3 to build the mozilla packages. [01:09] gcc-3.4 seems to be used only for a few packages on amd64 [01:10] yes, and maybe the kernel? at least the non-official Debian port uses it for the amd64 kernel packages [01:10] we use the default compiler for the kernel [01:10] Does it address your concern if gcc-4 is the only thing providing Java, and it doesn't provide C, C++ packages? [01:11] ehh, we do have to provide C and C++, we can package them in the same package, but why? [01:11] I don't mind if it builds the C and C++ compilers (they'll end up in universe) [01:11] no, they'll go to main, as gcj-4.0 depends on these. [01:12] hmm, I did not realize that [01:12] but still, not a big problem [01:13] the other question is, if we want to build gcc-4.0 for other languages, but they don't hurt in universe (fortran, objc, maybe ada) [01:13] if they do not initroduce any new build-deps [01:13] and they do not cause FTBFS on any release architectures [01:13] then sure, no problem [01:13] s/initr/intr/ [01:14] I'm unsure if I can get the python plugin for eclipse uploaded until tomorrow... [01:14] that's why I currently disabled ada for all architectures. fails at least on ia64 [01:14] ia64 is rel.arch? [01:14] no [01:15] ok, then I can just disabled it for ia64. [01:16] you can find a current set of binaries on chinstrap:~doko/uploads. These should work on i386. [01:16] if you are ready to upload, then please upload sooner rather than later [01:16] especially if the remaining java work is dependent on it [01:17] ok, first thing I do tomorrow, however I do test builds before the upload. [01:17] jbailey: you need gcc-4.0 before uploading eclipse stuff, right? [01:17] mdz: Yes. [01:17] jbailey: is there anything else that we are targeting for main? [01:18] mdz: No. That was actually going to be one of my questions is whether eclipse was approved for main or universe. [01:18] main would be nicer, at least for ecj. The rest of it could go into universe for now. [01:18] if it's supportable, it should go into main [01:19] Yeah, I think it is. There's a huge community around it. [01:19] are they mostly using commercial JVMs with it? [01:19] will we be on our own with gcj, or are there others taking the same path? [01:20] FC4 has compiled eclipse with gcj. [01:20] redhat ... [01:20] ok, good [01:21] btw, I did talk to Michael Koch, who does a lot of libgcj/classpath stuff upstream. He does seem to have time, so if something needs to be done on this side ... [01:21] we talked with him about gcjwebplugin, but he said it would be a very large project and take a lot of time [01:22] doko: He no longer has alot of time, he's just accepted a job offer. [01:22] are there any applications, other than eclipse, that we can use to "show off" our java functionality in hoary? [01:22] He does have 10% person time to allocate to various things, and I think he's planning on using it for mostly classpath related stuff. [01:23] well, we can look at the rhug site and see what is worth including ... [01:23] mdz: Only things that really want useful SecurityManager support. I spoke to Michael about that, and he said that it's not possible to do a stub one. [01:23] so can we get all of this into hoary sometime tomorrow (earlier is better)? [01:23] jbailey: can we get tomcat working? [01:24] mdz: I think so. I can beat on that one hard. [01:24] or that file sharing app that everyone seems to use, I forget the name [01:25] I think we probably shouldn't go crazy with bringing Java apps into main for hoary, but it would be nice to have a bunch of stuff ready-to-run in universe [01:25] and eclipse in main [01:25] mdz: Is universe locked down after tomorrow as well? [01:25] jbailey: no, we'll be fairly liberal with universe [01:26] mdz: 'kay. I can see about encouraging folks who've spoken to me about Java to get stuff into universe. [01:26] The MOTU fast track stuff might be nice incentive. =) [01:26] right [01:26] ogra has been doing some recruiting activities [01:26] Java should give him additional ammunition [01:27] anything else? [01:27] ok, my cough is getting worse, I'll sleep now. mdz, until when are you available tomorrow morning UTC? [01:27] doko: nasty, don't let it get you. I lost a pile of last week to coughing/sneezing/fever last week. [01:28] doko: I'm usually here starting at 1700 or 1800 UTC [01:28] doko: good night [01:28] mdz: no, I meant tomorrow morning [01:28] doko: 1700 UTC is tomorrow morning for me [01:29] oh, morning UTC [01:29] doko: You two are 10 hours apart. =) [01:29] mdz: ok, when do you leave tonight ;) [01:29] I am not usually awake after 0800 UTC [01:29] ok, let's try to talk at 07:00 UTC? 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