[12:00] <randabis> no
[12:00] <jason_> jrydberg___: stable enough for me, not enough for mission critical stuff i suppose, hvent had a kernel pani large oggs get choppy, not sure why im using a laptop
[12:00] <randabis> hoary has never crashed on me
[12:00] <jrydberg___> okey!
[12:00] <hybrid> jason- you havent had?
[12:00] <jrydberg___> we'll see what happens.
[12:01] <jason_> yeah
[12:01] <hybrid> ok kool
[12:01] <Grev> the only problem I have with hoary is that gnome loses my wireless settings
[12:01] <jason_> i have same prob one day i will set up hostap
[12:02] <Sav> Anyone got subtitels to work with xvid/divx etc?
[12:02] <Neil3> hm
[12:02] <Neil3> hey folks
[12:02] <jason_> i bougt a mpci prism 2.5 card
[12:02] <jason_> doesnt work yet
[12:02] <Neil3> i'm considering switching to ubuntu from fedora
[12:02] <_|Imanewbie|_> Im unable to heard anything on xine suggestions?
[12:02] <Neil3> because i hear reports that performance in ubuntu is way way better!
[12:02] <Xappe> Sav, yes, with MPlayer and VLC
[12:02] <randabis> Neil3, it's a great system
[12:02] <Neil3> with specific cpu compiled kernels
[12:03] <Sav> Xappe, i use VLC, how did u manage that?
[12:03] <Neil3> so i'd use k7 :)
[12:03] <mjt> Sav: subtitles has nothing to do with xvid/divx, really
[12:03] <Grev> Neil3: I use Ubuntu for my desktop and laptop and FC3 for my servers
[12:03] <Evaso> hi guys, what's appen if i change my video card on an installed ubuntu and the boot the pc?
[12:03] <Neil3> i guess i chose fedora cause it is widely established
[12:03] <jason_> Neil3: i will never be a RH fan, ubuntu is pretty nice
[12:03] <Neil3> being spawn of red hat and all
[12:03] <mjt> Sav: xvid/divx are two codecs for your video stream, subtitles are outside that stream
[12:03] <Neil3> i do like fedora but it does feel sluggish sometimes
[12:03] <Grev> Neil3: only because I'm a RHCE and redHat configuation is burned into me:)
[12:03] <Neil3> i must admit
[12:03] <Neil3> hehe
[12:04] <Neil3> nice
[12:04] <_|Imanewbie|_> and the problem is just with xine/gxine cause in bmp all works fine
[12:04] <Sav> Xappe, mjr, well how can i get he darn sub to be shown?
[12:04] <Xappe> Sav, you can select the subtitlefile in the "open file" dialogue
[12:04] <Sav> Xappe, ohh
[12:04] <Neil3> just wondering about a few things i use in fedora and if i can do the same stuff in ubuntu
[12:04] <Neil3> evolution 2.0 for email
[12:04] <Neil3> etc
[12:04] <shingokii> Anyone know why ubunt doesn't have firefox 1.0?
[12:04] <Neil3> and openoffice is on there too i see
[12:05] <Grev> Neil3: goto www.fedorafaq.org, has some speed up tips (run prelink, disable ipv6, and others)
[12:05] <mjt> ubuntu have quite recent versions of most popular  software
[12:05] <Neil3> yeah i did those Grev
[12:05] <Neil3> still
[12:05] <mpq> I don't know why it didn't have 1.0
[12:05] <Xappe> shingokii, because warty was released before ff1
[12:05] <jdub> shingokii: warty didn't because 1.0 was quite b0rky
[12:05] <Neil3> i tried the ubuntu live cd out it just seemed a lot quicker
[12:05] <shingokii> Xappe, do the versions in the repository not get updated though?
[12:05] <jdub> shingokii: so we reverted to the more stable release
[12:05] <jason_> Neil3: i dont care for yum and uptodate has allways crashed on me. fedora with apt is ok but i think hoary is more stable, my opinion
[12:05] <Neil3> synaptic seems great
[12:06] <Xappe> shingokii, no the versions are locked after release
[12:06] <shingokii> synaptic is lovely
[12:06] <Neil3> there is implimentation in fedora of synaptic and apt-get
[12:06] <shingokii> Xappe, oh that sucks :(
[12:06] <jdub> shingokii: no, it's good
[12:06] <Evaso> hi guys, what's appen if i change my video card on an installed ubuntu and the boot the pc? X.org will start again automatically?
[12:06] <Neil3> but thats just weird using those debian things on a red hat system
[12:06] <jdub> shingokii: otherwise it would be unsupportable
[12:06] <jason_> I use apt my self
[12:06] <Stew2> Warty to Hoary upgrade in progress!
[12:06] <Grev> Neil3: I like the gnome interface better in Ubuntu
[12:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> Im unable to heard anything on xine suggestions? The sound is fine in other applications like bmp
[12:06] <jdub> shingokii: there's a release *every six months*
[12:06] <Stew2> jason_ aptitude
[12:06] <Neil3> right Grev
[12:06] <hybrid> Xappe dist-upgrade is workin for me too
[12:06] <shingokii> when hoary comes out, can I go to it without complete reinstall?
[12:06] <Neil3> any of you guys using gnomad2 at all?
[12:06] <Xappe> yes
[12:06] <kbrooks> kyle@family:~ $ ls -l /usr/share/dict/words
[12:06] <kbrooks> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           30 2005-02-03 17:16 /usr/share/dict/words -> /etc/dictionaries-common/words
[12:06] <Evaso> or i need to reconfigure x.org package?
[12:06] <shingokii> ah well I can wait that long for new versions
[12:06] <jdub> shingokii: yes, of course
[12:07] <Neil3> i have a creative jukebox 2 that works great in fc3
[12:07] <Neil3> need to know if i can get it going in ubuntu
[12:07] <shingokii> jdub, Xappe, pardon my scepticism, I've just never seen that work ;)
[12:07] <Stew2> Neil3 dunno.
[12:07] <kbrooks> The file that /usr/share/dict/words points to basically is kaput. not there
[12:07] <_|Imanewbie|_> Stew2: does the upgrade means re-installing java, flash and this kind of crap?
[12:07] <mpq> geez, I need to download a lot to get mplayer to work
[12:08] <Xappe> shingokii, i've done it myself in december ;)
[12:08] <Stew2> Iman: Hmmm. Not that I know of. They are separate packages on their own.
[12:08] <Neil3> i'm pretty sure my camera will work if it works with gthumb
[12:08] <Stew2> Iman: Basically, the individual packages upgrade to newer versions.
[12:08] <_|Imanewbie|_> Stew2: but does it mantain the old plugins folder in firefox?
[12:08] <shingokii> Xappe, if I upgrade to hoary now (is that possible?) then will it just keep updating until final release?
[12:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> Well back to my previous question can anyone give me a hand with soun in xine?
[12:09] <net_benjo> hi all
[12:09] <hybrid> nah
[12:09] <Xappe> shingokii, yes
[12:09] <jason_> quote "this kind of crap" wont toch my box untill assimilated ie GPLed
[12:09] <net_benjo> can anybody tell me the best way to install xmms skins on my ubuntu system?
[12:09] <shingokii> Xappe, that excites me strangely. So what do I do, dist-upgrade?
[12:10] <randabis> shingokii, sure, it's possible to upgrade to hoary now (I have 3 systems running hoary)
[12:10] <blah09> iamanewbie try setting it to use ESD
[12:10] <randabis> we get daily package updates
[12:10] <Neil3> the only thing thats kept me from ubuntu is that it uses older packages but i guess thats for extra stability so i'm very tempted still
[12:10] <Xappe> shingokii, change all warty to hoary in your sources.list. then apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:10] <kbrooks> The file that /usr/share/dict/words points to basically is kaput. not there.
[12:10] <blah09> if you use hoary you'd probably be reasonably near cutting edge
[12:10] <kbrooks> anyone?
[12:11] <blah09> i think
[12:11] <shingokii> Xappe, is there a wiki page about that?
[12:11] <kbrooks> The file that /usr/share/dict/words points to basically is kaput. not there.
[12:11] <kbrooks> anyone?
[12:11] <kbrooks> anyone?
[12:11] <kbrooks> anyone?
[12:11] <Neil3> i have one last question, does ubuntu start a ton of useless services (useless for a desktop system) at startup, like fedora does?
[12:11] <lakin> kbrooks: settle down.
[12:11] <Xappe> shingokii, yes I think so
[12:11] <shingokii> Xappe, I might as well try it now when I've just installed, so there is less to break
[12:11] <kbrooks> what package can i install to enable this...........
[12:11] <jason_> Neil3: I dont think so
[12:11] <Xappe> maby you should dit-upgrade warty before you upgrade to hoary
[12:12] <blah09> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[12:12] <jason_> Neil3: at least not as many
[12:12] <lakin> kbrooks, search in synaptic for dictionary or something similar.
[12:12] <blah09> is there a way to find out where symlinks point to?
[12:12] <jason_> no server stuff by default
[12:12] <Grev> I'm going to wait for Gnome 2.10 before I upgrade to hoary
[12:12] <randabis> Neil3, not nearly as many
[12:12] <jason_> ls -laF?
[12:12] <lakin> kbrooks: dpkg -S /usr/share/dict/words will tell you which package "own's" that file...  might be helpful.
[12:12] <blah09> 2.9 is basically an unstable 2.10 isnt it
[12:13] <kbrooks> oh
[12:13] <randabis> it's a development version
[12:13] <Grev> blah09: development 2.10
[12:13] <randabis> it's actually called 2.10 beta 1 now iirc
[12:13] <blah09> lakin: can i do that the other way round too? can i find out where a package puts a file?
[12:13] <mpq> the guide to installing mplayer is wrong in an important part
[12:14] <mpq> two of the download links go nowhere
[12:14] <lakin> blah09: in synaptic you can figure out what files a particular package installs by clicking on properties, so I know it's possible, I just don't know the command line version.
[12:14] <Grev> in there a mplayer deb with graphic interface enabled somewhere?
[12:14] <blah09> oh ok thanks
[12:14] <blah09> ill do that instead
[12:14] <blah09> grev i think in the marillat repositories
[12:14] <blah09> not too sure though i use xineui
[12:16] <kbrooks> where's OOo's dictionary list
[12:17] <_Immanewbie_> When i am on the "xine", the sound is very low, and this is sux! Can someone please help me?
[12:17] <Xenguy> _Immanewbie_: aumix  ?
[12:17] <hackeron> can someone tell me what ubuntu uses to configure X?
[12:18] <haggai> kbrooks: man update-openoffice-dicts
[12:18] <_Immanewbie_> Xenguy: what do you mean by that?
[12:18] <blah09> randabis have you tried snes9express?
[12:18] <Stew2> immanewbie Hmmm. Open up the mixer application?
[12:18] <randabis> no
[12:18] <Xenguy> hackeron: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  ?
[12:18] <_Immanewbie_> Stew2: what do you mean?
[12:18] <blah09> weird gsnes just crashes when i want it to play a rom
[12:19] <Xenguy> _Immanewbie_: open a terminal window, and try running the command 'aumix' (no quotes)
[12:19] <Stew2> Immanewbie well. I'm not in the gnome desktop at the moment. I believe there is an audio mixer application.
[12:19] <hackeron> Xenguy: oh, is that it?
[12:19] <_Immanewbie_> Xenguy: command not found
[12:19] <Xenguy> _Immanewbie_: try -> sudo apt-get install aumix
[12:19] <jrydberg___> randabis: after I've done dist-upgrade, all I have to do is to reboot?
[12:20] <randabis> yes
[12:20] <Evaso> there is any ubuntu developer here?
[12:20] <randabis> and pray
[12:20] <jdub> Evaso: always
[12:20] <Xenguy> hackeron: well, that's what I use in Debian, but not on an Ubu box right ATM
[12:20] <randabis> lolz
[12:20] <_Immanewbie_> Xenguy: done
[12:20] <jdub> _Immanewbie_: use alsamixer, no installation required
[12:20] <_Immanewbie_> Xenguy: just oppened it
[12:20] <shingokii> Xappe, ok fixed the sources.list, what do I run to update/upgrade?
[12:20] <Xenguy> _Immanewbie_: aumix  ?
[12:20] <Stew2> immanewbie There ya go.
[12:20] <Xenguy> jdub: heheh
[12:21] <Evaso> jdub: what's about x.org autprobing when an user change a *broken* montior, videocard etc. etc. on reboot?
[12:21] <jdub> _Immanewbie_: quit it and use alsamixer
[12:21] <kbrooks> haggai, i need an actual file with a list of WORDS
[12:21] <Xenguy> jdub: is my method old-fashioned or something? :-)
[12:21] <Stew2> Evaso Dunno.
[12:21] <Xappe> shingokii, apt-get update
[12:21] <jdub> Evaso: i don't quite understand the question
[12:21] <Xappe> shingokii, apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:21] <shingokii> Xappe, thanks :)
[12:21] <_Immanewbie_> jdub: oki Ive opened alsamixer so what?
[12:22] <Evaso> jdub: can i explain you a real uses case on ubuntu about this problem?
[12:22] <Xappe> shingokii, and as sudo of course
[12:22] <jdub> _Immanewbie_: now check your volumes
[12:22] <jdub> Evaso: sure
[12:22] <jdub> Evaso: you're probably better off asking daniels
[12:22] <shingokii> ok, 424MB ;)
[12:22] <mpq> I can't install libpng-dev
[12:22] <_Immanewbie_> Master is at maximum, 3D Contr 0, PCM Maximum Synth Maximum Line Maximum Lini0in 0 Line in 0 CD maximum
[12:22] <shingokii> Xappe, is there much day-to-day broken stuff?
[12:22] <mpq> I got an error message E: Package libpng-dev has no installation candidate
[12:23] <mpq> how do I fix this?
[12:23] <Evaso> jdub: i running debian from several years, but i installed ubuntu as the first linux distro for a medium skills windows user
[12:23] <Stew2> Immanewbie Well, for sure, PCM should be up, and main volume.
[12:23] <kbrooks> /usr/share/myspell/dicts/en-US.dic is not exactly what i want for example
[12:23] <Evaso> jdub: all works fine but one weeks ago motherboard crashed
[12:23] <Stew2> Immanewbie Do you have another OS on the machine that is working at full volume
[12:23] <_Immanewbie_> Stew2: thay are both at maximum
[12:23] <aurax> ubuntuguide.org is down ?
[12:24] <_Immanewbie_> Stew2: if you can think in windows as a "Operational" system yes
[12:24] <mpq> I can't figure out how to install MPlayer
[12:24] <Stew2> Immanewbie: Hmmm.
[12:24] <Evaso> jdub: he changed the motherboard in a computer shop, then at home power up the pc with the new motherboard and ubuntu boot up fine/all works fine
[12:24] <mpq> Error: PNG support required for GUI compilation, please install libpng and libpng-dev packages.
[12:24] <mpq> how do I fix that?
[12:24] <jdub> mpq: see how it says "please install libpng and libpng-dev packages"? do that :)
[12:25] <_Immanewbie_> the most interesting is that the ploblem is JUST with xine/gxine
[12:25] <mpq> I'm not sure how
[12:25] <Xappe> shingokii, no not much, but some thing do break but it get fixed quite fast most of the time
[12:25] <jdub> mpq: synaptic, aptitude, apt-get...
[12:25] <mpq> E: Package libpng-dev has no installation candidate
[12:26] <jrydberg___> randabis: the upgrade failed.  dpkg wanred that it couldn't remove /etc/gimp/2.0/gimprc
[12:26] <shingokii> Xappe, sounds good :) I might as well try it since I've had to reinstall anyway
[12:26] <jrydberg___> then it died
[12:26] <Evaso> jdub: but some days ago the nvidia card crashed then he was gone on the pc shop bought a base video card (ati), mounted on the pc, then he go to home, power up the pc and naturally X won't start
[12:26] <_Immanewbie_> brb dinner
[12:26] <shingokii> mpq, when you get a problem like that, a good first thing is to go to synaptic, and search for the thing it said was missing. Then try installing it, and running again
[12:26] <mpq> You should explicitly select one to install. <-- What does that mean, and how do I fix it?
[12:26] <aurax> what is a good gui to burn vcd/vcds?
[12:27] <Xappe> shingokii, yes, since you have aclean system and it just takes about 25 mins to reinstall warty
[12:27] <jdub> Evaso: run 'dpkg-reconfigure --priority=high xserver-xfree86'
[12:27] <jdub> Evaso: you're running warty, right?
[12:27] <mpq> I don't even know what synaptic is
[12:27] <Xappe> front end to apt
[12:27] <shingokii> Xappe, yup, so when I break it I can go back to nice safe old version and wait for real hoary release :) Thanks for help btw
[12:28] <Xappe> shingokii, np :) good luck!
[12:28] <jdub> mpq: the package manager gui; computer > system configuration > synaptic package manager (on warty)
[12:28] <Evaso> jdub: i know how to do that and i fixed it, but do u tink that is a good choiche for a newbie medium user that approach to ubuntu go to console and run 'dpkg-reconfigure --priority=high xserver-xfree86'?
[12:28] <mpq> how do I do it in terminal?
[12:28] <shingokii> mpq, its what you use to install new software
[12:28] <jdub> Evaso: no, and we'll fix that eventually
[12:28] <jdub> mpq: sudo apt-get install ...
[12:28] <mpq> I did that
[12:28] <mpq> libpng-dev didn't work
[12:29] <aurax> anyone?
[12:29] <jdub> apt-cache search libpng dev
[12:29] <jdub> there are a bunch
[12:29] <jdub> mpq: you should probably read about apt
[12:29] <Evaso> jdub: i want to help you with this (and also for debian) how can i do?
[12:29] <shingokii> mpq, why do you want to use command line?
[12:29] <TheMuso> mpq: Are you running warty?
[12:29] <mpq> yes
[12:29] <jdub> Evaso: it's a hard problem, and one we might come back to for our next release; right now, we're focusing on fixing bugs :)
[12:29] <Xenguy> shingokii: that's an odd question, no?  Why not the CLI ?  :-)
[12:30] <adnans> anyone tried Xgl ?
[12:30] <aurax> i just kicked out windows for ever
[12:30] <TheMuso> mpq: There is a command you can use to search for packages with much the same name. The command you might want to look into is apt-cache search.
[12:30] <shingokii> Xenguy, well I just find synaptic a lot easier :) I thought maybe his X was broken
[12:30] <TheMuso> mpq: This is on the terminal.
[12:30] <aurax> damn ubuntu is good
[12:30] <mpq> I think searching worked
[12:30] <usual> http://www.transamrit.net/~usual/computer.jpg
[12:30] <mpq> I got "libpng12-dev" which installed correctly
[12:30] <TheMuso> mpq: Well when I searched for libpng-dev, this is what I got.
[12:30] <Xenguy> shingokii: different tools suit different people/temperments -- I much prefer CLI/keyboard for most things, for example
[12:31] <TheMuso> mpq: libpng12-dev - PNG library - development
[12:31] <Dreamer3> ok
[12:31] <Evaso> jdub: i know that it is and hard problem, so i want to start to talk about some possible solution with someone, what is the "ubuntu" right people about this kind of problem?
[12:31] <Dreamer3> any experts here?
[12:31] <Xenguy> aurax: congratulations are in order :-)
[12:31] <Xappe> does anyone know if you can use graevine with cvscedega?
[12:31] <TheMuso> mpq: So my guess that libpng12-dev is the package you might be looking for.
[12:31] <Xappe> *grapevine
[12:31] <shingokii> Xenguy, yup, I wasn't trying to tell him what to use I was just curious ;P
[12:31] <mpq> I already figured that out
[12:31] <aurax> eheh
[12:31] <aurax> this is like old days
[12:31] <TheMuso> mpq: Ok, so install it.
[12:31] <aurax> using ubuntu takes me back to the days of dos
[12:31] <mpq> I already did
[12:31] <TheMuso> mpq: But you are still having problems?
[12:31] <aurax> in feeling .
[12:32] <Xenguy> shingokii: nod
[12:32] <TheMuso> mpq: Sorry I came in a bit late, what are you trying to do?
[12:32] <mpq> my only problem now is that my IRC client pops up whenever anyone says "mpq in the chat"
[12:32] <Dreamer3> i'm using screen and irssi on my server (always have, it hasn't changed)... and then i resize the terminal window (on my client) irssi would always mess up... so with debian sarge i just ctrl-a d (disconnect) and then screen -r (reconnect) and irssi would redraw and "learn" the new size and all was well... with ubuntu this does not happy and i'm at a loss since my client (gnome-termainl) is the only thing that has changed... and i wa
[12:32] <Zotnix> :reads an online document trashing nautilus:
[12:32] <Zotnix> And gnome too.
[12:32] <Zotnix> Bah
[12:33] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: ^-l  ?
[12:33] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: ?
[12:33] <TheMuso> mpq: That is because people like myself are directing our conversations to you directly. It makes for easier to follow chats in the channel IMO.
[12:33] <Xenguy> Ctrl-l  <-- ell
[12:33] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: what's that?
[12:33] <TheMuso> mpq: You would have to look into your IRC client documentation to find out how to disable the popups.
[12:33] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: i'm not sure why you mention it, give me more context
[12:33] <mpq> I don't want to disable it
[12:33] <mpq> it's just an inconvenience right now
[12:33] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: should 'redraw' the screen (if I understand your Q correctly)
[12:34] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: no, you missed it
[12:34] <TheMuso> Ok mpq I won't directly address you for now. :)
[12:34] <TheMuso> I understand.
[12:34] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: after resizing a window irssi would always be messed up...  i used to only need to disconnect and reconnect screen to fix it.. (with sarge)... now that does not work with ubuntu
[12:34] <mpq> yeah, thanks, themuso
[12:34] <_Immanewbie_> jjj
[12:34] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: and it doesn't make _any_ sense to me
[12:34] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: define "messed up" then :-)
[12:35] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: it would draw things in the wrong places all the time
[12:35] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: try Ctrl-l and see if that helps; if not, I have no other suggestions that come to mind ATM
[12:35] <TreadingSoftl1> any beagle users appeared?
[12:35] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: but disconnecting and reconecting screen _always_ fixed it... and with ubuntu this doesn't work (despite the fact that the software in question is on the server)
[12:35] <mpq> I used "make" and now the terminal is really slow
[12:35] <mpq> when will I know if it's done?
[12:35] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: no, ctrl-l doesn't know the new size of the window
[12:35] <TreadingSoftl1> beagle and hoary to be more exact...
[12:36] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: /resize works, but it's annoying to have an extra step since i move and resize windows a lot
[12:36] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: you've already tried that then?
[12:36] <_Immanewbie_> Xenguy: no suggestions?
[12:36] <TheMuso> What are you building mpq?
[12:36] <mpq> mplayer
[12:36] <EfaistOs> do u know an app to merge some mpeg files ?
[12:36] <TheMuso> ah. You won't. When it is done it is done. There is no way of knowing how long compiles wil take.
[12:36] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: i'll live with it, but just one annoyance that's still bugging me
[12:36] <mpq> I'm wondering if it should take this long to build
[12:36] <Xenguy> _Immanewbie_: my suggestion was aumix and I got spanked by jdub for it ;-)
[12:37] <TheMuso> It depends on how fast your system is, and how big the package is.
[12:37] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: next time i'm in debian i'll confirm that the behavior is correct there, but i only tend to notice things when they are different :)
[12:37] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: hrm, it's an odd sounding problem; not sure what to suggest frankly
[12:37] <_Immanewbie_> Xenguy: well the point is that alsamixer is oki sound on the system is oki
[12:37] <randabis> mpq mplayer takes a little while to finish
[12:38] <mpq> and I keep getting various error messages during it
[12:38] <randabis> such as?
[12:38] <mpq> most of them having to do with pointers
[12:38] <TheMuso> mpq what errors?
[12:38] <Xenguy> _Immanewbie_: no silver bullet here
[12:38] <randabis> that's normal
[12:38] <TheMuso> they are probably just warnings, I wouldn't really worry about them unless they stop the build.
[12:38] <randabis> if I understand the errors right
[12:38] <mpq> and it paused for like a minute twice
[12:38] <Xenguy> _Immanewbie_: usually I speak up when I get a brainwave too ;-)
[12:38] <TheMuso> mpq that is also normal.
[12:39] <mpq> ok
[12:39] <shock> goshdamn i luv ubuntu
[12:39] <randabis> again, normal behavior when compiling software
[12:39] <TheMuso> some files take that long to build. I have literally seen files that take a few minutes to be compiled.
[12:39] <shock> now this is what i call a distro
[12:39] <_Immanewbie_> Dammm I will have to go to windows to watch my movie
[12:39] <mpq> first time I've done this
[12:39] <Dreamer3> exit
[12:39] <Zotnix> Hoary is going ahead with GCC 4?
[12:39] <randabis> why?
[12:39] <mpq> I only first used linux of any kind yesterday
[12:39] <_Immanewbie_> TheMuso: try gentoo and you will find some that will take days :)
[12:39] <mpq> just threw out windows and jumped in
[12:39] <Dreamer3> Zotnix: i'm liking it at least, think i'm going to switch from sarge
[12:39] <Stew2> mpq yeah
[12:39] <TheMuso> _Immanewbie_: I have played with it a while back. I know.
[12:40] <Zotnix> I thought GCC 4 was really unstable.
[12:40] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: might want to try screen in a different terminal and see what happens, now that I think of it
[12:40] <Stew2> mpq well, you picked a good time. I've run FC3 and Ubuntu hoary. Both are mature enough.
 - i watch movies on ubuntu right now
[12:40] <shock> =)
[12:40] <Zotnix> And broke some things
[12:40] <shock> no problems watsoever
[12:40] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: tried it with xterminal and xterm, same issues
[12:40] <pepsi> i install hoary on my laptop, and when i close the lid, the screen blanks.. when i open it again, xscreensaver has kicked in and wants my password, but the keyboard doesnt work
[12:40] <pepsi> nor the mouse
[12:40] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: curiouser and curiouser
[12:41] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: well, next i need to confirm it still works in debian... and if so... what does that leave? bash? env variables?
[12:41] <shock> ?
[12:41] <Stew2> pepsi Hmmm
[12:41] <shock> whats happening @ dreamer?
[12:41] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: i suppose ssh might negotiate the connection differently or something?
[12:41] <_Immanewbie_> shock: wich player?
[12:41] <shock> totem-xine
[12:41] <Dreamer3> shock: i'm using screen and irssi on my server (always have, it hasn't changed)... and then i resize the terminal window (on my client) irssi would always mess up... so with debian sarge i just ctrl-a d (disconnect) and then screen -r (reconnect) and irssi would redraw and "learn" the new size and all was well... with ubuntu this does not happy and i'm at a loss since my client (gnome-termainl) is the only thing that has changed... a
[12:41] <mpq> it would be nice if I knew how long this was supposed to take
[12:41] <shock> totem-gstreamer wouldnt work
[12:42] <Dreamer3> shock: ubuntu in my new client (where the behavior is broken)
[12:42] <_Immanewbie_> totem is just a front end for xine
[12:42] <aurax> is k3b can be run under ubuntu with gnome
[12:42] <_Immanewbie_> shock: is your sound oki?
[12:42] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: it's hard to know.  I've had problems with display (for example with Gnome-terminal) and switching to rxvt worked for me, so <shrug>
[12:42] <kbrooks> yes
[12:42] <shock> my sound is great
[12:42] <pepsi> Stew2: since nothing else laptop-y really works, i wouldnt mind if it did nothing when i close the lid.. its just that sometimes the lid closes on accident you know?
[12:42] <shock> as for the terminal resize things... hmmm
[12:42] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: i think it's deeper than that though... gnome-terminal is what i used under debian too :)
[12:42] <TheMuso> mpq find something else to do. It my take a while.
[12:42] <Stew2> mpq how long what.
[12:42] <shock> lemme think
[12:43] <mpq> I'm also watching tv
[12:43] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: nod
[12:43] <shock> hm
[12:43] <Dreamer3> shock: i tried replacing gnome-terminal with xterminal and xterm on my side, no difference
[12:43] <Stew2> pepsi break the lid switch, or mabye you can turn it off in power management settings.
[12:43] <Dreamer3> shock: haven't confirmed that debian still works properly, but i'm almost positive it does
[12:43] <shock> i dont think thats on the terminal side
[12:43] <shock> have u switched from xfree to xorg?
[12:43] <shock> by any chance?
[12:43] <Stew2> mpq I don't recommend watching TV.
[12:44] <shock> cause it _would_ be some kind of "resize-event" from the xserver or windowmanager
[12:44] <Dreamer3> shock: i was using xorg (dri daily snapshot) on sarge and i am using xorg on ubuntu (dri daily snapshop)... no difference there
[12:44] <shock> signal that is
[12:44] <shock> meacity version?
[12:44] <Stew2> immanewbie I've been using mplayer
[12:44] <Dreamer3> shock: vi in the scan screen session works just fine
[12:44] <randabis> aurax, yes it can be run under gnome
[12:44] <pepsi> itd be a shame to break the lid switch :(
[12:44] <Dreamer3> shock: it messes up, but if i dis-and-reconnect it fixes itself
[12:44] <Dreamer3> scan=same
[12:44] <TreadingSoftl1> pepsi: not ideal, but you could disable power management
[12:45] <randabis> I suggest trying out graveman and gnomebaker if you want a GTK alternative
[12:45] <shock> hm
[12:45] <shock> weird
[12:45] <Stew2> pepsi Of course. Is there a way to turn it off?
[12:45] <_Immanewbie_> Stew2: ive tried it but got no difference
[12:45] <shock> maybe you should check if its still behaving that way in debian... you got dual boot?
[12:45] <Dreamer3> shock: metacity 2.8.6
[12:45] <TreadingSoftl1> pepsi: Preferences > Screensaver
[12:45] <shock> (i lost my irssi config while ago - so im using xchat now
[12:45] <shock> :)
[12:45] <Dreamer3> shock: i do, but i'm not wanting to dual boot right this sec... hmmmm
[12:45] <Xappe> can one get grapevine to work with cvscedega?
[12:45] <shock> hm
[12:45] <Xappe> that would be nice
[12:46] <Dreamer3> shock: i'll confirm next time i'm in, but just last yesterday it was fine in debian, and i don't recall upgrading any components on the server
[12:46] <shock> hm
[12:46] <Dreamer3> shock: good call with the WM though... would switch to flux/black be a good test?
[12:46] <shock> probably
[12:46] <Dreamer3> shock: does ubuntu have any others installed by default?
[12:46] <Dreamer3> shock: well
[12:47] <shock> erm
[12:47] <shock> i installed flux, bb and fvwm
[12:47] <shock> flux and bb crashin on me lately, though :(
[12:47] <shock> havent dug into that jet
[12:47] <Dreamer3> shock: i'm installing blackbox now
[12:47] <shock> erm... is there xnest in ubuntu?
[12:48] <jdub> shock: yes
[12:48] <shock> ;)
[12:48] <Dreamer3> shock: shoudl it add itself to gdm?
[12:48] <shock> *installing*
[12:48] <Dreamer3> shock: wihout a restart of gdm?
[12:48] <shock> yes
[12:48] <shock> no
[12:48] <Dreamer3> shock: yes/no what?
[12:48] <shock> but i think ubuntu is configured to restart gdm on logout
[12:48] <Dreamer3> shock: how can i change taht
[12:48] <Dreamer3> shock: i hate that
[12:48] <shock> yes @ adding itself
[12:49] <shock> no @ without restart
[12:49] <Dreamer3> shock: it does take a long time to log out (as if it's loading gdm again)
[12:49] <shock> hm... good wuestion
[12:49] <shock> yes
[12:49] <Dreamer3> shock: looking at the config file now
[12:49] <jdub> Dreamer3: don't run gdm if you don't want a display manager
[12:49] <shock> and if you go to console and killall gdm while in gnome mit will tell you "no process killed"
[12:49] <pepsi> i turned off power management in xscreensaver, but now it just gets stuck at a blank screen with some garbage up top.. rather than getting stuck with xscreensaver wanting my password
[12:49] <Dreamer3> jdub: i like the pretty gdm theme i have though
[12:50] <jdub> Dreamer3: but you don't like using a display manager
[12:50] <Dreamer3> jdub: well, it's not supposed to restart each time, that's configurable is what i just heard :)
[12:50] <Dreamer3> jdub: i don't like slow is what i don't like :)
[12:50] <jdub> yes, it is supposed to restart
[12:50] <shock> urks
[12:50] <jdub> otherwise it wouldn't be a display manager
[12:50] <Dreamer3> jdub: hmmmm
[12:51] <shock> what was the "in window" parameter for xnest...? oh well... man xnest i guess :P
[12:51] <randabis> it doesn't restart in hoary
[12:51] <jdub> gdm itself doesn't restart, the greeter does
[12:51] <randabis> :p
[12:51] <jdub> shock: gdmflexiserver -n
[12:51] <Dreamer3> jdub: well, the greater takes a while :) is that configurable? :)
[12:51] <jdub> shock: far more useful
[12:51] <shock> thx
[12:51] <jdub> Dreamer3: sure, don't use the greeter, or don't use that theme
[12:51] <shock> will check that out
[12:51] <randabis> with CTRL ALT BACKSPACE the greeter does not come back up in hoary
[12:51] <Dreamer3> jdub: hmmm, i guess i don't know what it looks like with no greater :)
[12:51] <_Immanewbie_> Does anyone knows any other movies player than xine and mplayer?
[12:51] <jdub> Dreamer3: 'greeter'
[12:52] <jdub> Dreamer3: switch gdmgreeter to gdmlogin in the config file
[12:52] <Xappe> _Immanewbie_, VLC
[12:52] <Dreamer3> jdub: might try that next, trying flux now to see if it fixes my resize issues
[12:52] <Dreamer3> brb
[12:54] <Dreamer3> nope
[12:54] <Dreamer3> wow, blackbox is really minimal install, no default menu, no nothing :)
[12:54] <KSoze> does anyone know the guy who hangs around in here using KeyserSoze as a nick?
[12:54] <KSoze> i've got it registered, so I kill him when I connect
[12:55] <KSoze> but he autoreconnects really fast, so I imagine you see a lot of annoying messages about it
[12:55] <BajonBCN> hi everyone. One question. Does Firestarter have a way to allow traffic to an UDP port?
[12:56] <Dreamer3> well
[12:56] <Dreamer3> no dice
[12:56] <Dreamer3> oh well
[12:58] <Stew2> Bajon No idea.
[12:58] <TreadingSoftl1> KeyserSoze: FYI KSoze said: "does anyone know the guy who hangs around in here using KeyserSoze as a nick? i've got it registered, so I kill him when I connect but he autoreconnects really fast, so I imagine you see a lot of annoying messages about it"
[12:59] <TreadingSoftl1> oh bother, gone again
[01:00] <mpq> I'm really starting to get the hang of this
[01:00] <TheMuso> mpq good to hear.
[01:00] <shock_> lol
[01:00] <shock_> rehi
[01:00] <Dreamer3> i'm starting to get bored already :)
[01:01] <shock_> gdmflexi killed my x
[01:01] <shock_> :P
[01:01] <shock_> narf
[01:01] <Dreamer3> though ubuntu is a little less predictable than debian so far
[01:01] <shock_> joining on irssi from second computer
[01:01] <shock_> :)
[01:02] <Stew2> mpq It's not really as bad as Microsoft says it is.
[01:02] <pw3n> hi everyone, I just installed ubuntu as my first ever experience with linux and am messing around with a few things and have some questions..
[01:02] <mpq> what isn't?
[01:03] <mpq> anyway, why would I ever listen to microsoft?
[01:03] <pw3n> it came with firefox 0.9.3 .. should i update it and how.. I've downloaded the installer but dont have permission to put it anywhere
[01:03] <Stew2> mpq: Because Steve Balmer knows what he's talking about :)
[01:03] <shock_> wow... neither openbox nor flux or blackbox are working :/
[01:03] <Stew2> pw3n The easiest way is on www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:04] <Stew2> pw3n Mentioned in the topic up above ^
[01:04] <Stew2> pw3n Add the 'backports'.
[01:05] <shock_> damn... whats this about... absolutely no other wm except gnome and kde are currently not crshing my X?
[01:06] <shock_> this is major pain!
[01:06] <shock_> anyone a clue?
[01:06] <shock_> powerpc here
[01:07] <Stew2> shock_ What's wrong with gnome or kde?
[01:07] <Stew2> shock_ you're trying to get something else running, some other wm?
[01:07] <shock_> i just like to have backup possibilities beyond "terminal session"
[01:07] <shock_> ;)
[01:07] <shock_> yes
[01:07] <shock_> like "any other wm" would be it, right now
[01:07] <Stew2> shock: What about the lovely GNOME or KDE?
[01:08] <shock_> hrhr
[01:08] <shock_> huge
[01:08] <Stew2> shock Did i read you correctly, they 'aren't' crashing.
[01:08] <shock_> ressource consuming
[01:08] <shock_> no - gnome and kde arent crashing
[01:08] <shock_> they are working fine
[01:08] <shock_> but if i slect open flux or bb x crashes
[01:09] <shock_> f i run it from inside terminal session x crashes, too
[01:09] <shock_> *sigh*
[01:09] <Stew2> shock_: Well, you want to run something that a lot of other people aren't, it seems like it's asking for extra trouble. Linux in general has enough trouble running out of the box on mainstream setups. It seems when it becomes tweaking it, far too easy to jump off the deep end (unless, you really know linux)
[01:09] <shock_> I'll do a purge & reinstall of openbox
[01:09] <shock_> see what it does ;)
[01:09] <Stew2> (for instance, a programmer)
[01:09] <shock_> :)
[01:09] <Stew2> shock_: Good luck. I like powerpc.
[01:09] <shock_> oh i know linux
[01:10] <shock_> was used to run debian experimental, actually
[01:10] <Stew2> shock_ You need to join #ubuntuexperts then. :)
[01:10] <shock_> just for the challange
[01:10] <shock_> ;)
[01:10] <Stew2> shock_ There you will find all the upper end help.
[01:10] <shock_> lol
[01:10] <Stew2> shock_ It may be lonely and cold /action hands shock_ a jacket.
[01:10] <shock_> no one in ubuntuexperts *fg*
[01:11] <Stew2> shock_ Yes. It's true.
[01:11] <shock_> hehe... well my gf lives 350km away from my place
[01:11] <shock_> so yes
[01:11] <shock_> cold and lonely
[01:11] <shock_> :P
[01:11] <shock_> thx
[01:11] <Stew2> shock_ That, is a personal problem. I say, have more than one.
[01:11] <shock_> LOL
[01:12] <Stew2> shock_ As long as she's okay with it.
[01:12] <BajonBCN> Hi everyone
[01:12] <Stew2> shock_ Then you get to avoid 'drama'.
[01:13] <Stew2> Bajon Yo,.
[01:13] <lithi_> Hey, im upgrading from Warty to Hoary and I got an error while doing the dist-upgrade "/var/cache/apt/archives/gimp-data_2.2.2-1ubuntu1_all.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[01:13] <BajonBCN> anyone still awake?
[01:13] <Stew2> Bajon Well, it's the afternoon here.
[01:13] <Lineman> 7pm here
[01:13] <BajonBCN> Any way to allow UDP traffic from Firestarter?
[01:14] <Stew2> Bajon You said that, before... Hmmm. I didn't know. Are there any good guides on that, what about google.com/linux firestarter udp
[01:14] <jrydberg___> marco?
[01:14] <shock_> well i got openbox running =)
[01:14] <TreadingSoftl1> lithi: if all else fails you can try forcing it
[01:15] <TreadingSoftl1> lithi: i had to do that with python packages when i upgraded ... but it worked
[01:15] <Lineman> hmmm now the ubuntuguide site is down :(
[01:15] <neyz> hi all
[01:15] <Dreamer3> well, besides getting e-mail just the way i like it i think i'm bored of stuff to do on my new ubuntu box
[01:15] <Stew2> shock Is openbox a wm? I don't even know. The only WM's I know are explorer.exe, the max os x aqua, and Gnome and KD2
[01:15] <lithi_> TreadingSoftl1: Ok im forcing it now, hope it will work
[01:15] <Dreamer3> Stew2: explorer.exe isn't a window manager :)
[01:15] <jesuel> Hrm, anyone have experience setting up tv tuner cards? specifically ones using the phillips saa7134 driver? Im having a real problem getting this to work
[01:16] <Dreamer3> Stew2: it's not even the taskbar on older versions of windows :)
[01:16] <Stew2> Dreamer3 Well, you know what i meant. :)
[01:17] <Dreamer3> Stew2: yeah, sort of :)
[01:17] <Xappe> Gnome is not a wm, it's a desktop environment
[01:17] <Dreamer3> Stew2: what's cool though is... afterstep?  yeah...
[01:17] <Stew2> jesuel No, the only tv in cards I've know about are BTxxx based cards.
[01:17] <Dreamer3> Stew2: i wish gnome could minimize windows like that
[01:17] <Stew2> Dreamer3 K
[01:17] <crimsun> Stew2: openbox is a wm based originally on blackbox.
[01:18] <shock_>  < Stew2> a pretty nice one too
[01:18] <neyz> how can i check if i have the lastest stuff installed please?
[01:18] <shock_> ;)
[01:18] <crimsun> Stew2: the current stable version of openbox was completely rewritten and shares no code with blackbox.
[01:18] <Dreamer3> neyz: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[01:18] <BajonBCN> Stew2, sorry, I forgot to open the irc port so I didn't get any answer, that's why I asked again :D
[01:18] <BajonBCN> I looked for it but I didn't find anything.
[01:18] <BajonBCN> I always come here after doing all it's in my hands
[01:19] <neyz> dreamer3, thanks, is warty the lastest?
[01:20] <Xappe> lots of Hoary updates tonight...think i've downloaded over 100 packages the last three hours
[01:20] <Lineman> neyz the latest stable
[01:20] <sunchez> hi, i got a dlink g520+ wifi card (pci); in lspci it says: Network controller: "Texas Instruments ACX 111 54Mbps Wireless Interface"
[01:20] <Dreamer3> neyz: latest released, yes
[01:21] <sunchez> wiconfig shows nothing
[01:21] <neyz> how can i get the latest "testing" to get all the lastest version of software ? do i just need to change the sources?
[01:21] <lithi_> Just selected X.org insted of xfree86 just wondering why did SuSE and others boycot xfree86?
[01:22] <sunchez> any clues how to get this wifi card running?
[01:22] <Dreamer3> neyz: yes, but testing is very crazy, lots not working from time to time
[01:22] <Dreamer3> neyz: i'd stay with warty if you're new
[01:22] <Dreamer3> neyz: there are nice backports for important software
[01:23] <neyz> oh its really that bad ? i'm asking because when i was using debian, i was using "unstable" and it always worked fine
[01:23] <Lineman> neyz no its not bad
[01:23] <Lineman> it works well i am using it on two machines
[01:23] <crimsun> lithi_: the new XFree86 license makes distributing changes freely nearly impossible.
[01:24] <lithi_> crisun: Oh.. Well screw them the dev team on X.org already looks 10x better
[01:24] <neyz> i think i'm gonna try testing then it's just for fun anyways
[01:25] <shock_> well... flux and black will have to wait
[01:25] <Xappe> neyz, you learn faster when things break
[01:25] <neyz> exactly ;)
[01:25] <lithi_> crisun: Just look at the board of directors, A++
[01:26] <TreadingSoftl1> neyz: the testing (or rather, unstable) version of Ubuntu is Hoary
[01:27] <andrewski> is there anyone here who is versed in making deb packages?
[01:27] <shock> ok
[01:27] <Dreamer3> neyz: if you're used to unstable you'll be fine
[01:27] <shock> here's the real me again =)
[01:27] <lithi_> neyz: Yea im testing it also (just finishing up installing). The way I think about it is hey if it doesent work it only takes 30min to re-install not like gentoo :)
[01:27] <Dreamer3> neyz: i love how rock solid woody is but liked the newer software of sarge (but not the daily updates)... so i'm quite happy with warty
[01:28] <Neil3> yeah
[01:28] <Neil3> damn i want to switch to ubuntu
[01:28] <Neil3> but older packages....
[01:28] <Dreamer3> Neil3: do it :)
[01:28] <Dreamer3> Neil3: huh?
[01:28] <Xappe> i was a linux newbie when upgrading in november/december and now i'm getting quite advanced :)
[01:28] <Neil3> using them and knowing there are new versions out there
[01:28] <Dreamer3> Neil3: *laughs*
[01:28] <Dreamer3> Neil3: whatever
[01:28] <Neil3> i dunno if i can
[01:28] <Neil3> hehe
[01:29] <Dreamer3> Neil3: any distro is like that (unless you'rs using debian experimental/unstable)
[01:29] <Neil3> but it uses older pkgs for a reason i guess
[01:29] <jesuel> oh i figured out my tv tuner heh, module wasnt loaded .;p
[01:29] <Dreamer3> Neil3: i'm glad for a more stable pacakge selection actually
[01:29] <Neil3> stability and stuff
[01:29] <Neil3> yeah
[01:29] <Dreamer3> Neil3: i cam from sarge
[01:29] <Neil3> i'm trying to convince myself that is better
[01:29] <Neil3> ah
[01:29] <Dreamer3> Neil3: nice to have the latest, but on dial-up it's a pain to download
[01:29] <Neil3> well i'm on dsl so that isnt a problem
[01:29] <lithi_> Yea thats a pain dreamer3
[01:29] <Dreamer3> Neil3: just try it... i found it a lot faster than sarge though i have yet to figure out why
[01:29] <neyz> thanks for your answers guys
[01:30] <Neil3> the kernel looks pretty damn optimised
[01:30] <Neil3> there are k7, i686 etc versions
[01:30] <lithi_> are there duron optmized kernels?
[01:30] <Neil3> that alone is tempting me
[01:30] <Dreamer3> Neil3: well, i compiled my own kernel with con kolivas patchset on debian... with hardly any modules (ie, just what i needed, no more)...
[01:30] <Neil3> yeah k7 = duron
[01:30] <Dreamer3> Neil3: what are you using now?
[01:30] <lithi_> right :) I knew that
[01:30] <Neil3> fedora core 3
[01:31] <Neil3> its nice but feels bloated
[01:31] <jesuel> anything is faster than fc3
[01:31] <Neil3> a little sluggish
[01:31] <jesuel> :)
[01:31] <Neil3> hehe
[01:31] <Neil3> yeah
[01:31] <Neil3> i hear that a lot
[01:31] <jesuel> fc3 ran like a slug on my athlon64 with 768 ram
[01:31] <lithi_> mepis is FAST
[01:31] <jesuel> mepis is yucky
[01:32] <lithi_> but i like ubuntu so much better now
[01:32] <Neil3> ubuntu won awards and stuff
[01:32] <Neil3> i dont like kde
[01:32] <Neil3> too many options all over the place
[01:33] <ftwig> hi everybody - trying to install ubuntu dual boot to wean a frend of windows, I gather I need not to install on MBR but cant work out whithc /dev/ to tell grub install, anyone out there up for giving advide.
[01:33] <lithi_> Yea but I like the fact kde makes shortcuts when you use apt-get
[01:33] <Neil3> hm
[01:33] <Xappe> i'm satisfied with Hoary (wiped my mdk for Ubuntu)...but I miss the mousecursor and the industrial window theme right now
[01:33] <TheMuso> ftwig: It is better to put the Ubuntu boot loader on the MBR, as it wil allow the user to boot Windows as well. It is a lot of work to put Ubuntu into the Windows boot menu.
[01:33] <andrewski> ftwig: why wouldn't you want to install on the MBR?
[01:34] <andrewski> Xappe: where'd the industrial theme go?
[01:34] <Neil3> i shouldn't have too much trouble transfering my evolution data over to ubuntu from fedora should i?
[01:35] <Xappe> andrewski, it disappeared when they upgraded the gtk engines I think
[01:35] <Xappe> think it's filed as a bug
[01:35] <Xappe> it happened this friday
[01:35] <ftwig> TheMuso, andrewski, OK - but I thought windows (XP) would just take total control back.  did some reading up and it seemed putting it in MBR was a bad idea
[01:35] <lithi_> does ubuntu come with a working rw ntfs driver?
[01:35] <Xappe> Lithi, jusr ro
[01:35] <Xappe> *just
[01:36] <mpq> I have a weird problem
[01:36] <andrewski> ftwig: well, it's better to have windows installed before you set up grub, but you can get it back afterwards... don't know about the ubuntu install disc for that, though....
[01:36] <TheMuso> ftwig: No it won't All the windows MBR does it point the system directly to the Windows boot stuff at the beginning of the Windows partition. The Ubuntu boot loader will live there happily with no problems.
[01:36] <mpq> I set firefox to open downloaded mp3s in mplayer
[01:36] <andrewski> Xappe: i've got it here...?
[01:36] <mpq> now I can't see the program playing them
[01:36] <ftwig> nadrewski - XP is already installed
[01:36] <ftwig> aadrewski - XP is already installed
[01:36] <Neil3> hm another nice thing about ubuntu is the community
[01:36] <andrewski> ftwig: then you should be fine. :)
[01:36] <Neil3> fedora channel here is full of assholes ;)
[01:37] <Xappe> andrewski, hmm. and the mouse cursor?
[01:37] <andrewski> Xappe: yeah... i miss it too. :P
[01:37] <andrewski> ftwig: you can install to the MBR and boot to ubuntu/windows every time.
[01:38] <Xappe> are you sure you have the industrial window border not just the control?
[01:38] <Dreamer3> ok
[01:38] <jmhodges> ok, i just got through a huge kernel recompile using dpkg-buildpackage
[01:38] <Dreamer3> how can i tell gnome terminal's menus not to catch keypresses? like alt-e?
[01:38] <jmhodges> and i got to the end of it
[01:38] <lithi_> Neil3: Ive been a big fan of SuSE but mepisguide.org and the wiki beat any documentation SuSE has also the fact ubuntu has a forum insted of JUST a mailing list is a big plus
[01:38] <andrewski> Xappe: oh, you mean a metacity theme?
[01:38] <jmhodges> but it errors out on
[01:38] <Dreamer3> i know i did this before and it was easy
[01:38] <ftwig> andrewski - cool - will do it now.
[01:38] <Gmike> hi
[01:39] <Dreamer3> got it
[01:39] <Dreamer3> :)
[01:39] <jmhodges> for i in $imagelist; do \
[01:39] <jmhodges>   dpkg -x $(ls debian/build/linux-image-$i\_*i386.deb) debian/d-i-i386; \
[01:39] <Gmike> how can i clear the "Places" menu from my remote servers?
[01:39] <lithi_> whopsy i ment ubuntuguide.org something sliped my mind
[01:39] <Gmike> using hoary
[01:39] <Xappe> andrewski, well...hmm...maybe :)
[01:39] <Neil3> lithi_, i've never tried suse
[01:39] <jmhodges> says that debian/build/linux-image-2.6.10-3-386_*i386.deb does not exist
[01:39] <ftwig> andrewski - just a bit wary as I tried this with demudi and it totaly trashed the system
[01:39] <shock> ok -  im off to bed now.... 01:40 here
[01:39] <shock> need to get up at 06:00 *sigh*
[01:39] <mpq> I can't see what's playing music on my computer
[01:39] <jmhodges> i hacked the debian/rules so that it would only build for 686 (did this by changing flavors := 686 ) :-/
[01:39] <Neil3> i've tried mandrake, fedora, vector linux, damnsmalllinux, knoppix and ipcop (for my router, that one)
[01:40] <mpq> I set firefox to open mp3s in mplayer
[01:40] <shock> n8 and thx for the help and the talks
[01:40] <mpq> now they're playing with no window open
[01:40] <ftwig> andrewski - BTW I take it 12GB is enough
[01:40] <lithi_> Neil3: It has its avantages like the fact its soo huge it comes on a DVD or 5 regular cd's but its such a HOG both cup/ram and hd space wise
[01:40] <jmhodges> sorry flavours
[01:40] <Neil3> yeah
[01:40] <Neil3> like fedora
[01:40] <neyz> hey should i stop gnome before upgrading to hoary ?
[01:40] <Neil3> its huge, has everything you could ever want
[01:40] <Neil3> but its bloated to hell
[01:40] <jmhodges> neyz: i never had any issues
[01:41] <jmhodges> neyz: gnome-volume-manager might crash
[01:41] <lithi_> Neil3: Yep
[01:41] <Neil3> and i think the stuff i use is in ubuntu or can be installed easily anyway
[01:41] <neyz> ok let's try then
[01:41] <jmhodges> s/might/will/
[01:41] <jmhodges> but you can restart
[01:41] <TheMuso> ftwig: That is enough.
[01:41] <jmhodges> it
[01:41] <lithi_> Neil3: I didint close gnome before upgrading... mabey i should have
[01:41] <neyz> wohoo downloading 200megs
[01:41] <Neil3> oops
[01:42] <neyz> why do you guys prefer ubuntu to debian?
[01:42] <ftwig> also do I mneed to have the boot flag  set on the new ext3 partision
[01:42] <Neil3> well i'm off to bed chaps, it's been nice talking to you all and tomorrow i shall back up data and install ubuntu :) nite nite
[01:43] <Gmike> neyz - because ubuntu is more updated, and is more user friendly (out-of-the-boxish)
[01:43] <lithi_> Neil3: Check out ubuntuguide.org I found it while browsing the official forums. It has everything and more then I want to install and need to know
[01:43] <Neil3> yeah i read through it tonight
[01:43] <Neil3> looks good
[01:43] <Gmike> but it is still debian, that's what so good about it
[01:43] <Neil3> i've been doing my homework :)
[01:43] <BajonBCN> I heard somewhere that the ubuntuguide.org isn't 100% correct, actually
[01:44] <lithi_> Says who? Everything ive tryed so far has worked for me
[01:44] <ftwig> TheMuso:also do I mneed to have the boot flag  set on the new ext3 partision
[01:44] <BajonBCN> I read it in the mailing list
[01:45] <BajonBCN> probably it isn't the most orthodox for who said it
[01:45] <BajonBCN> I don't know enough to judge
[01:45] <ftwig> BajonBCN:nothings 100% banything ;)
[01:45] <Neil3> well if it does have errors they can get fixed by the community, ah the beauty of open source
[01:45] <ftwig> BajonBCN:expecialy my typing!
[01:45] <lithi_> lol
[01:45] <neyz> i find ubuntu pretty clean like you don't have 15116516 programs installed only the basic
[01:45] <Xappe> well, so what...if you get trouble just consult the forum
[01:45] <BajonBCN> ftwig :D
[01:45] <Neil3> the forum looks great
[01:46] <neyz> and then you can add on your own
[01:46] <BajonBCN> I also use it
[01:46] <Neil3> from what i've been browsing so far anyway
[01:46] <mpq> well, it took over an hour to figure out how to use mplayer
[01:46] <mpq> but now I get to listen to the best song ever
[01:46] <lithi_> Yea, I like ubuntu for the installation process as well quick, simple, and almost userless
[01:46] <Xappe> Neil3, it IS great!
[01:46] <BajonBCN> and all the people I've recommended Ubuntu to found it great to switch to Linux
[01:46] <Neil3> i would like to use totem are there any issues with it?
[01:47] <neyz> best part is that, i tried to reinstall debian over ubuntu, guess what the installer couldn't even detect my network card
[01:47] <neyz> (and it was the sarge netinstall cd)
[01:48] <lithi_> I like the netinstall idea / theory but it never seems to go smoothly for me
[01:48] <neyz> worked well for ubuntu
[01:48] <Gmike> using hoary.. how can i clear the "Places" menu from my remote servers? it keeps trying to log on..
[01:48] <lithi_> ubuntu has a netinstall cd?
[01:49] <neyz> i think so.. i remember it downloading a bunch of stuff
[01:49] <lithi_> Mabey the live cd can do a netinstall
[01:49] <Gmike> it does.. but i dont think ubuntu has a pure network install yet
[01:50] <Gmike> probably not, lithi_
[01:50] <neyz> no not like the debien business install which is like 30megs
[01:50] <ftwig> sorry to be a paid, I'me trying to do a dual boot with XP.  I'me going to install GRUB in MBR but do I need to set boot flag on new exp3 partision?
[01:50] <neyz> heh i have a a64-3200 with an asus motherboard which supports cool n quiet, does ubuntu support that or is my cpu always at max ?
[01:51] <Gmike> ftwig - im no specialist, but i think it is not required
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> neyz: it does but you have to configure it
[01:51] <Neil3> oh another question
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> I'm not 100% on it though
[01:51] <neyz> mmm ok i'll do that later then i guess ^
[01:52] <Neil3> does ubuntu support stuff like sleep/suspend?
[01:52] <pdaoust> here's an obscure question, for all you web server mavens out there: does anyone know why I can't get the gd2 functions in PHP, even after I've installed libgd2 and php4-gd2?
[01:52] <pdaoust> Neil3: haven't looked myself
[01:52] <ftwig> Gmike:OK - will give it a try - hopefully installing in MBR wont screw things up.
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> Neil3: highly dependant on hardware
[01:52] <Neil3> my mobo has acpi etc
[01:52] <Gmike> damn ABIT, and their uguru, i cant use lm sensors or any other program except their own uGuru app (windows) argh :\
[01:52] <lithi_> pdaoust: Is php.ini setup for gd2?
[01:52] <Neil3> its quite new
[01:52] <Neil3> athlon xp 1800+
[01:52] <pdaoust> lithi_: ha, I had a suspicion
[01:52] <Gmike> 99.5% it won't :o)
[01:52] <hybrid> i got a connect time out when i apt-get dist-upgrade can i still go on it only did that like twice... so far
[01:52] <pdaoust> lithi_: it's just that the suspicion only started forming a few moments ago :)
[01:52] <Neil3> the mobo is a k7s5a, using an sis735 chipset
[01:53] <pdaoust> I'll check and see where there might be a directive to turn that on
[01:53] <lithi_> padoust: Yea I know i sometimes need to ask my question before I can start to process my own answer
[01:53] <Gmike> again... anyone knows how to remove entries from the Places menu in gnome 2.9?
[01:53] <neyz> mmm..i'm saying yes to a bunch of configuration file update or something.. hope i'm not going to break everything hehe
[01:53] <Neil3> live dangerously neyz
[01:54] <pdaoust> lithi_: too true
[01:54] <lithi_> Neil3: lol, yes
[01:54] <bebek> does anyone know what's the meaning of : "The following packages have been kept back:" list while performing "apt-get update" ?
[01:54] <pdaoust> lithi_: that's why it's not always enough to RTFA or STFW... you need real people to go through things with... that's how we're made; that's how we work best
[01:54] <bebek> since after i perform apt-get update, gnome is a bit screwed up
[01:54] <pdaoust> (kay, I'm done philosophising)
[01:54] <lithi_> pdaoust: True true, but a quick google search never hurt anyone
[01:55] <pdaoust> :"-/
[01:55] <bob2> bebek: they couldn't be upgraded
[01:55] <bob2> even tho a newer version exists
[01:55] <neyz> gonna reboot
[01:55] <bob2> probably because they Depend on something now
[01:55] <Gmike> bebek, it means APT won't upgrade these packages due to some reason (probably the new version will conflict with another package)
[01:55] <neyz> to see if anything has changed
[01:55] <bob2> try 'dist-upgrade'
[01:55] <neyz> is gnome supposed to update?
[01:55] <bebek> oh
[01:56] <Gmike> yeah use dist-upgrade :)
[01:56] <bebek> ok...
[01:56] <bebek> seems that more packages are to be downloaded :)
[01:56] <Gmike> aka the "smart" upgrade method (Synaptic)
[01:56] <bebek> what's the diff between dist-upgrade and upgrade ?
[01:56] <lithi_> I must say I like this x-chat over mirc now that i got used to it
[01:56] <pdaoust> bebek: they're spelled different
[01:57] <bebek> errrr
[01:57] <pdaoust> HA! I'm so funny I should be banned from the list
[01:57] <pdaoust> sorry
[01:57] <Gmike> :O)
[01:57] <pdaoust> bebek: and after all that, I don't even have a real answer
[01:57] <bebek> hehe
[01:57] <jdub> bebek: dist-upgrade will happily do dangerous things (add or remove packages) to perform an upgrade
[01:57] <bob2> bebek: the manpage explains it
[01:57] <bebek> holy cihuahua
[01:57] <jdub> bebek: best to stick to upgrade most of the time
[01:57] <esher> are there any alternative (better) gnome file-explorer outhere as the standard gnome filebrowser
[01:57] <esher> ?
[01:57] <Gmike> bebek i can try to answer that, but 'man apt-get' will do a much better job
[01:57] <bob2> but dist-upgrade will add or unsinstall packages needed to upgrade other ones
[01:57] <bebek> should have known that before performing it
[01:57] <lithi_> bebek: LOL
[01:58] <neyz> doing the dist-upgrade, need to download 232 megs again lol
[01:58] <bob2> bebek: well, apt does show you it's plan before letting you say yay or nay
[01:58] <bob2> just watch carefully what it wants to do
[01:58] <Gmike> *evil grin*
[01:58] <hybrid> if the connection times out on a few packages on dist-upgrade can i still go on?
[01:58] <lithi_> neyz: My dist-upgrade is still going
[01:58] <shingokii> 232? I had to get 424
[01:58] <hybrid> or will i have to do it again
[01:58] <Gmike> lol
[01:58] <lithi_> neyz: And it finished downloading a long time ago
[01:58] <bob2> hybrid: restart and it will only get the needed ones
[01:59] <neyz> well i did a upgrade just beofre and needed to dl 200 at that time ^^
[01:59] <hybrid> ok
[01:59] <hybrid> thanx bob2
[01:59] <Gmike> OMG ubuntu is turning into winxp.. it starts to consume the partition...
[01:59] <ftwig> bebeK: upgrade will only upgrade packages you have installed,  dist-upgrade will also get any new packaged that are required - its best to do dist-upgrade
[01:59] <lithi_> Yai! It seems to be configuring X.org
[01:59] <neyz> lithi_, 3mins before download is complete
[01:59] <lithi_> neyz: Its a race
[02:00] <neyz> lithi_, you got a headstart ---> cheater!!
[02:00] <Gmike> im close to the finish already ^.^!
[02:00] <lithi_> see I only cheated cause Gmike cheated more
[02:00] <bebek> ok.....
[02:00] <Gmike> im gonna ask this again and again, how to remove stuff from Places menu?!
[02:00] <neyz> arggg you are all cheaters
[02:01] <Gmike> this is freaking me out
[02:01] <bebek> what's "array 4" ?
[02:01] <Gmike> won \o/ \o/
[02:01] <Gmike> :D
[02:01] <shingokii> I don't think it will end up much bigger, I assume it uninstalls the old packages :)
[02:01] <bebek> does it mean "beta 4" ?
[02:01] <jdub> bebek: fourth test release
[02:01] <jdub> no
[02:01] <neyz> i'd like to help you Gmike but i don't even know what you are talking about :p
[02:01] <pdaoust> lithi_: thanks for the tip; added extension=gd.so, and darned if it didn't work ^_^ and, surprise of all surprises, the modifications I made to the script, that required GD, actually worked the first time! I'm flabbergasted; I usually need to debug my mods for hours!!!
[02:01] <lithi_> Gmike: History something no idea
[02:01] <jdub> look at 'array' and the codename of the release and try and work out why we call the test releases 'array'
[02:01] <Gmike> anyone using hoary, newer gnome?
[02:01] <ftwig> anyone got a URL for Ubuntu dual-boot?  Cant find anything very usefull on the main site or by gooleing.
[02:01] <Gmike> history something... :P?
[02:01] <jdub> Gmike: what don't you wnat in it?
[02:02] <Gmike> all i want is a simple thing
[02:02] <Gmike> to remove the ftp entires i put in it
[02:02] <lithi_> pdaoust: Good, glad I could pretend to help
[02:02] <Gmike> it keeps trying to log on to them each time i open the menu
[02:02] <jdub> Gmike: unmount them from your desktop
[02:02] <pdaoust> lithi_: ^_^ helped a lot
[02:02] <bebek> hmmm...
[02:02] <Gmike> and how do i do that? x:
[02:02] <bebek> ihihi hahhaha
[02:02] <ftwig> Gmike:its a BIT unstable - works most of the time but a while ago X wos totaly broke
[02:02] <bebek> going crazy
[02:02] <jdub> Gmike: right click on them on the desktop
[02:02] <pdaoust> lithi_: like you said, sometimes you have to say it out loud before you realise what yo uneed to do.
[02:02] <Gmike> there is nothing on my desktop
[02:03] <Gmike> its on the places menu
[02:03] <Gmike> !
[02:03] <jdub> Gmike: i know
[02:03] <jdub> Gmike: follow my directions
[02:03] <Gmike> ok
[02:03] <Gmike> so right click on what
[02:03] <bebek> what's "SMP" ?
[02:03] <jdub> the icon on your desktop for that ftp server
[02:03] <bebek> should i boot using it?
[02:03] <jdub> bebek: if you have two or more cpus or hyperthreading, sure.
[02:03] <LinuxJones> bebek, only if you have more than one processor
[02:04] <bebek> ohh
[02:04] <Gmike> there are no icons on my desktop
[02:04] <Gmike> :\
[02:04] <jdub> Gmike: open up Network from Places
[02:04] <bebek> "or hyperthreading" <- did you mean intel pentium 4 with ht? if that's so, yes i do have one
[02:04] <bebek> so should i boot using smp ?
[02:04] <jdub> bebek: yes
[02:04] <Gmike> jdub, its empty
[02:04] <bebek> oooo...
[02:04] <Gmike> wait
[02:04] <Gmike> lol
[02:05] <Gmike> it just appeared
[02:05] <bebek> any significant effect of using smp ?
[02:05] <neyz> aha great errors, missed them for a while
[02:05] <jdub> bebek: ht will actually be used
[02:05] <bebek> cool
[02:05] <HrdwrBoB> except the actual benefits are in most cases . not much
[02:05] <lithi_> bebek: I think its Intel properganda
[02:05] <ftwig> bebek think its only relevent if you have >1 CPU
[02:05] <toresbe> pffff
[02:05] <Gmike> ok i did "unmount" on them but nothing happens
[02:05] <lithi_> bebek: If I could spell
[02:05] <bebek> ok...
[02:05] <toresbe> ftwig: well, no, HT looks to the OS as 2 cpus
[02:05] <jdub> Gmike: they should disappear, and the list should disappear in the panel
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> hyperthreading is a good idea sure, however in the real world it provides very little to no improvement in most relevant tasks to the user
[02:06] <toresbe> and there is a significant speedup
[02:06] <jdub> Gmike: if the list doesn't disappear, 'killall gnome-panel' at a terminal
[02:06] <jdub> toresbe: only on very particular application types
[02:06] <toresbe> jdub: still
[02:06] <Gmike> yay, thanks
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> toresbe: the overhead of SMP is enough to kill the advantage you get in many situations
[02:07] <jdub> toresbe: ie. non-desktop application types. don't confuse people.
[02:07] <toresbe> aha
[02:07] <toresbe> okay
[02:08] <bebek> hmmm
[02:08] <bebek> hopefully after dist-upgrade my ati card will still work
[02:08] <bebek> most likely not ....
[02:08] <lithi_> bebek: not for 3d support
[02:08] <bebek> :(
[02:08] <neyz> Des erreurs ont t rencontres pendant l'excution:
[02:08] <neyz>  /var/cache/apt/archives/lib32gcc1_4.0-0pre6ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[02:08] <neyz> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:08] <bebek> wah...
[02:08] <lithi_> bebek: But you will be happy to know that there is a X.org driver from ATI
[02:09] <ftwig> bebek, you could try apt-get --purge on the xserver and then reinstalling it.  that should re autodetect it
[02:09] <bebek> i used that one right now
[02:09] <hou5ton> what on earth am I missing here???  trying to disable IPv6 in Firefox to load web pages faster ....
[02:09] <lithi_> bebek: On a Xfree86 system you used a X.org driver?
[02:09] <hou5ton> am following the information at this site .. http://ubuntuguide.org/#disableipv6-mozilla
[02:09] <bebek> i used the driver from ATI... had trouble with it last time.... don't want to repeat the same thing again....
[02:09] <bebek> i'm using hoary
[02:09] <hou5ton> but something has to be different on this system
[02:09] <bebek> i.e. hoary uses xorg
[02:09] <shingokii> It might just be me, but ATI drivers never work on linux
[02:10] <lithi_> bebek: Oh I though you were upgrading to hoary nvm then
[02:10] <Gmike> how can i install the default mouse pointers for gnome (white one) in hoary, i got the gay black default X one :\
[02:10] <bebek> shingokii: really? i'm using one right now
[02:10] <shingokii> bebek, congratulations :) with good 3d?
[02:10] <neyz> mmm...ok...i think i broke everything :d
[02:10] <lithi_> Mabey ill install ut2k4 after i get upgraded
[02:11] <bebek> ummm.... how do you determine if the 3d is good? the opengl screensaver runs smoothly .. compared to before
[02:11] <Gmike> run glxgears
[02:11] <lithi_> Yea
[02:11] <bebek> glxgears however only shows around 800.000 fps
[02:11] <ftwig> nayone know anything about not installing grub on MBR - what exactly douse this mean?
[02:11] <bebek> maybe it's my card.. (Radeon X300)
[02:11] <Gmike> i had about 3200 with my r9800p :p
[02:11] <lithi_> bebk: pcie version?
[02:12] <bebek> yes
[02:12] <bebek> pci express
[02:12] <bebek> does it cause any difference in the fps ?
[02:12] <lithi_> bebek: Why?!?! Why would you invest in a pcie version from ATI when Nvidia right now is soo much better
[02:12] <bebek> is r9800 better than x300??
[02:12] <bebek> this came with the dell :P
[02:12] <Gmike> i dont know, think so
[02:12] <lithi_> bebek: excuses, excuses
[02:12] <Gmike> how much does x300 cost?
[02:13] <bebek> and i don't need 3d applications that much.. only for playing games... and that one in windows, not in linux
[02:13] <dle> Hello.  I'm having some trouble installing VMware (for my work) on this warty box.  The install requires some building against kernel headers, but the linux-kernel-headers package that I have installed has headers that apply to 2.6.0-test7, not 2.6.8.1-4.  Likewise, the kernel-source packages seem to be >2.6.8.  Any ideas if there is something I can install via apt to right this?
[02:13] <Gmike> holy shit :P
[02:13] <bebek> it comes with dell package.. so i don't know how much it costs
[02:13] <lithi_> Gmike: More then a 6600
[02:13] <LinuxJones> bebek, if it comes from HP or Dell not much
[02:13] <Gmike> so something's not right -.-
[02:13] <jdub> dle: apt-cache search linux-headers -> what do you see?
[02:13] <bebek> i see...
[02:13] <jdub> guys, please take the off-topic discussions elsewhere
[02:13] <bebek> i wanted to use nvidia 6800 :P
[02:14] <bebek> or radeon x800
[02:14] <dle> jdub: Ah-hah.
[02:14] <bebek> but no money
[02:14] <bebek> cost AU$800 more
[02:14] <Gmike> no money no problems xd
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> bebek: 6600GT
[02:14] <dle> jdub: So there's 'linux-kernel-headers' and 'linux-headers'.  A little confusing.
[02:14] <jdub> bebek, Gmike: elsewhere please
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> is the best bang for your buck
[02:14] <lithi_> AU? They ship dells to Australia?
[02:14] <bebek> lithi_ : yes
[02:14] <jdub> dle: yes, sorry about that; we left some old mess in warty :|
[02:14] <Gmike> ok ok, dont be so uptight :^)
[02:15] <lithi_> Good day Mate, Your getting a dell!
[02:15] <lithi_> Sorry that was bad of me
[02:15] <bebek> hahaha
[02:15] <bebek> i like it
[02:15] <bebek> no problem so far... except that hassle with linux
[02:15] <mebaran151> anybody know
[02:15] <mebaran151> if I could use apt-source
[02:15] <lithi_> You learn something new every day
[02:15] <mebaran151> to compile evolution from source
[02:15] <mebaran151> I have been reading on the msg boards
[02:15] <mebaran151> that a source compile
[02:16] <mebaran151> seems to solve all the weird float exceptions
[02:17] <mebaran151> on AMD64
[02:17] <mebaran151> so I thought I might try a source compile
[02:17] <mebaran151> I was unsure if checkinstall was safe
[02:17] <mebaran151> to do over an existing install
[02:17] <neyz> back
[02:18] <jdub> mebaran151: apt-get source evolution
[02:18] <jdub> mebaran151: sudo apt-get build-dep evolution
[02:18] <lithi_> my dist-upgrade finished! Yai! Need to restart bb
[02:19] <bebek> we wont probably seeing you for a while, lithi_ :P must configure everything first .. ehhehee
[02:19] <lithi_> lol
[02:19] <LinuxJones> lithi_, GL :)
[02:19] <neyz> heh lithi_ mine is finished ^^
[02:19] <lithi_> I hope ill be back soon then
[02:19] <bebek> hehee
[02:19] <bebek> see u then
[02:19] <mebaran151> do I have to do that for all the parts of evolution
[02:19] <neyz> firefox wont work
[02:19] <neyz> evolution neither
[02:19] <dle> What package is it that contains the three subdirs "linux", "asm", "net"?
[02:20] <crimsun> dle: more than likely you're looking for linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:20] <ftwig> I have XP on the box.  The install gives me options to erase entire disk or manualy partision the drive.  I thought Ubuntu would sence free space and sort things out?
[02:20] <mebaran151> jdub, will that automagically play nice with the existing binaries
[02:20] <jdub> ftwig: warty doesn't
[02:20] <bebek> ftwig: u have to partition for yourself
[02:20] <jdub> ftwig: hoary does :-)
[02:20] <dle> crimsun: yeah, that's what I installed. :)
[02:20] <jdub> mebaran151: once you build the package, yes
[02:20] <bebek> oh really?
[02:20] <mebaran151> or should I predestroy it
[02:20] <mebaran151> ok
[02:21] <bebek> hoary has something like partition magic?
[02:21] <jdub> no
[02:21] <mebaran151> jdub, should I also build server too?
[02:21] <mebaran151> dataserver
[02:21] <jdub> it has a 'use free space' choice
[02:21] <jdub> mebaran151: i don't know, i don't really think that's going to help
[02:21] <ftwig> OK - did that, am I correct in thinking I dont neeed to set any boot flags?
[02:21] <mebaran151> jdub, it was just a try
[02:21] <jdub> ftwig: for the installer? no
[02:21] <mebaran151> I had read in the forums
[02:21] <mebaran151> that alot of people
[02:21] <mebaran151> tried a by hand compile
[02:21] <mebaran151> and go it to work
[02:22] <ftwig> jdib - from the partisioner
[02:22] <mebaran151> I dont know why that would be easier
[02:22] <mebaran151> or work
[02:22] <ftwig> sorry jbub
[02:22] <jdub> ftwig: no
[02:22] <ftwig> jdub cool - and I have asked this before but putting GRUB in MBR is cool?
[02:23] <mebaran151> ftwig, do you have windows and want to dual boot it
[02:23] <jdub> ftwig: yes
[02:23] <ftwig> mebaran151: yes
[02:23] <mebaran151> well
[02:23] <aurax> hello
[02:23] <mebaran151> you might accidently overwrite the windows boot loader
[02:24] <mebaran151> it is fixable
[02:24] <hybrid> hi man
[02:24] <aurax> sup hybrid
[02:24] <jdub> mebaran151: that is not a problem
[02:24] <jdub> that is the intention
[02:24] <mebaran151> jdub, yeah
[02:24] <mebaran151> but then
[02:24] <esher> hmm, any idea for replacement for nautilus ?
[02:24] <mebaran151> how is he going to boot
[02:24] <mebaran151> windows
[02:24] <esher> this browser sukks really, or ?
[02:24] <hybrid> ntm jdub u?
[02:24] <mebaran151> after we overwrite the boot loader
[02:24] <jdub> mebaran151: by choosing windows in grub... that's the whole point
[02:24] <mebaran151> it will natively boot windows now
[02:24] <mebaran151> ?
[02:24] <mebaran151> I always did the
[02:25] <mebaran151> copy the boot sector to the C:\boot bin
[02:25] <aurax> nuffing, working :)
[02:25] <mebaran151> and add it to my system.ini
[02:25] <hybrid> kewl man
[02:25] <mebaran151> or whatever it was
[02:25] <mebaran151> I dont need to do that if I ever decide to buy windows?
[02:25] <mebaran151> again
[02:25] <jdub> mebaran151: install windows, install warty, grub has windows and warty in the menu. no mucking around required.
[02:25] <hybrid> aurax: i am just here gettin hoary
[02:25] <hybrid> hopefully
[02:26] <ftwig> BTW anyone tried ardour/jack/jamin on ubuntu?
[02:26] <mebaran151> jdub, I had done that
[02:26] <mebaran151> installed to mbr
[02:26] <mebaran151> and windows complained it couldnt find ntldr
[02:26] <ftwig> mebaran151: so its a bad idea?
[02:26] <neyz> is hoary only in english?
[02:26] <jdub> ftwig: no, it's not
[02:26] <mike998> mebaran151: that's bad if windows can't find ntldr
[02:26] <ftwig> lol
[02:27] <hybrid> jdub : prolly not
[02:27] <dle> crimsun: according to apt-file search. only 'linux-kernel-headers' contains that hierarchy, and we know the problem with that package already. :-(
[02:27] <jdub> ftwig: highly unlikely that will happen in most cases
[02:27] <ftwig> OK - here goes
[02:27] <calamari> I connect to a remote system via ssh (or sftp).  Is there a way to mount the remote filesystem or directory locally?
[02:27] <jdub> calamari: no
[02:27] <jdub> calamari: but all gnome-vfs aware programs will be able to use it
[02:27] <TheMuso> ftwig: In regards to Ardour, net yet. You are aware that a 2.4 kernel is still more stable and better for getting low latency?
[02:27] <crimsun> dle: err, huh?
[02:28] <calamari> jdub: will be able to use what? :)
[02:28] <ftwig> BTW anyone in the UK interested in audio check out fave.org.uk
[02:28] <crimsun> dle: linux-headers-$(uname -r) has the symlinks necessary
[02:28] <crimsun> dle: (sorry, I've been detached, so I don't know what the "problem with that package" is)
[02:28] <neyz> on amd64 why do i get amd64 generic kernel and plain generic kernel in grub ?
[02:28] <aurax> hoary
[02:28] <aurax> hmm
[02:28] <aurax> hybrid isnt it the gnoppix release?
[02:29] <hybrid> aurax : what is that?
[02:29] <ftwig> TheMuse:yes - but Ubuntu dont like it - I almost had it all working compiling from CVS but It requires some care;)
[02:29] <TheMuso> ftwig: I still prefer my previous distro of choice for audio, I.E Slackware.
[02:29] <ftwig> TheMuse:or or demudi?
[02:30] <TheMuso> Managed to get 1-2 ms on that.
[02:30] <TheMuso> I have looked at demudi, but never used it for anything.
[02:30] <Gmike> if i have my R9800P on my AGP, should I use BusID "PCI:1:0:0" ?
[02:30] <TheMuso> But I would suggest demudi over Ubuntu for audio at this stage.
[02:30] <ftwig> TheMuse:Yes - Planet CARMA is fairly good but Redhat gives me a rash
[02:31] <TheMuso> ftwig: I have never liked rpms myself either.
[02:31] <mike998> rpms are better left to spinny things
[02:31] <calamari> jdub: sorry.. had to take a phone call :) what were you saying about gnome?
[02:32] <ftwig> TheMuse:it actualy used apt-get for redhat - the idea is skary
[02:32] <hybrid> aurax : i c wut u r saying
[02:32] <hybrid> aurax : idk never paid much attentiom too gnoppix
[02:32] <dle> crimsun: The problem was: "I'm having some trouble installing VMware (for my work) on this warty box.  The install requires some building against kernel headers, but the linux-kernel-headers package that I have installed has headers that apply to 2.6.0-test7, not 2.6.8.1-4."
[02:33] <mike998> ftwig: I only found out about that ability with redhat after it became fedora... at that point I didn't want to see it ever again
[02:33] <TheMuso> ftwig: I know.
[02:33] <TheMuso> ftwig: But it is not official as such with the distro.
[02:33] <mike998> *ahem* pardon me for butting in and all
[02:33] <ftwig> TheMuse:with a coordination distro its OK but the main debian sources are VERY well managed
[02:34] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[02:34] <lithi_> Soooo how might i tell that the upgrade when sucessful to Hoary and that im using X.org?
[02:34] <ftwig> TheMuse:true
[02:35] <lithi_> I see that my firefox is 1.0 now :) thats about all that I notice
[02:35] <crimsun> dle: linux-kernel-headers integrates with libc-dev.
[02:35] <mike998> lithi_ as far as I can tell it
[02:35] <mike998> s if your X starts up
[02:35] <lithi_> but how do I know im running X.org insted of xfree86 like before?
[02:35] <crimsun> dle: they are _not_ what I'm referring to when I speak of the 'linux-headers-$(uname -r)' package, which contains your kernel headers against which you build external kernel modules.
[02:36] <mike998> typically warty uses XF86... Hoary seems to use xorg... someone can correct me if I am wrong
[02:36] <Evaso> mike998: right
[02:36] <mike998> yay! my count of being correct today is now....
[02:36] <lithi_> Yea but how can I tell which one im using?
[02:36] <mike998> woo!!  one!!
[02:36] <dle> crimsun: I understand (I think).  And I have installed linux-headers-2.6.8.1-4-386.
[02:37] <ftwig> mike998:that one of the big advantaged of Horay
[02:37] <mike998> ftwig: yeah, the fonts seem to render better and the server itself seems to be a little more responsive
[02:37] <lithi_> I dont see the computer menu anymore in gnoe its now Appications, Places, Desktop
[02:37] <lithi_> gnome*
[02:37] <ftwig> Lithi_:you need to remove xorg and install Xfree86 - but WHY
[02:38] <crimsun> dle: there is a rather convoluted method I personally use to build vmware modules, and I don't know offhand if the forum/wiki/guide has a more efficient method. Essentially you need to tell the vmware build process that -4-386 is appended to your version (kernel-package's --append-to-version).
[02:38] <lithi_> ftwig: I want to use X.org I dont want to use Xfree86
[02:39] <ftwig> Lithi_:sorry - in Warty or Horay - or are you doing a upgrade
[02:39] <dle> crimsun: If you could /msg me with that, I'd be most grateful. :)
[02:39] <ozan> hi, i can't remember a command.. hope you can help me... to download a series of file (for example from 1 to 999 jpg) i need a command to count from 1 to 999. what was that
[02:39] <lithi_> I did an upgrade from Warty to Horay and I chose X.org when i was prompted
[02:39] <hybrid> o ubuntu is beating debian on distrowatch we r #5 now they r 6
[02:40] <lithi_> During the dist-upgrade
[02:40] <ftwig> Lithi_:OK - just remove xfree86 and install xorg, I think its called something like xfree86-server and xorg-server
[02:40] <randabis> xserver-xorg
[02:40] <randabis> xserver-xfree86
[02:41] <neyz> so we can just uninstall xserver-xfree86 ?
[02:41] <lithi_> Oh I have to install it? I thought that the dist-upgrade just did that?
[02:41] <lithi_> Why did it ask me to pick between X.org and Xfree86 then?
[02:42] <neyz> in synpatic
[02:42] <neyz> if you choose to install xserver-xorg
[02:42] <mebaran151> Lithi, for some hardware
[02:42] <neyz> it will mark xfree86 for uninstall
[02:42] <mebaran151> it Xfree works better
[02:42] <mebaran151> so they let you take a little choice
[02:44] <neyz> oops
[02:44] <shingokii> woo, apparently I have upgraded? I dunno...
[02:45] <ftwig> I now have a sucsesfull dual bood HORAY
[02:45] <ftwig> well warty actualy;)
[02:45] <shingokii> oh no... there is more
[02:45] <neyz> heh i think im using xorg now, how can i check?
[02:47] <lithi_> neyz: Thats what ive been asking lol
[02:47] <lithi_> neyz: Ive been told that you arent using x.org now tho
[02:47] <lithi_> neyz: After the dist-upgrade you need to open synpatic and install xserver-xorg
[02:47] <lithi_> neyz: It will remove xfree86 for you
[02:47] <Coily> i used "chown -R USER /", does anyone forsee me having problem with switching ownership to my username?
[02:48] <Coily> problems*
[02:48] <neyz> Lithi, that's what i just did and after i ctrl alt backspace to restart X
[02:48] <bascule> yes, competely DO NOT DO THAT
[02:48] <bascule> Coily, ^
[02:48] <Coily> why do you think so
[02:49] <bascule> I *know* so
[02:49] <Coily> explain
[02:49] <neyz> need to install my ati now hehe
[02:49] <lithi_> neyz: I dont know yet im trying now
[02:49] <Zotnix> Coily, it serverely compromises the security of your computer.
[02:49] <lithi_> neyz: brb
[02:49] <Zotnix> Coily, it can also break a lot on the system
[02:49] <redissexy> guys, does ubuntu install any firewall if I let it to? :-) because I want to turn it off if it does
[02:49] <kswat> what is the root passwd on the live cd
[02:49] <Coily> as for security im the only one who uses this computer
[02:50] <Coily> but "breaking" things doesnt sound fun
[02:50] <Zotnix> Coily, also makes you vulnerable to viruses and things of the like.
[02:50] <bascule> Coily, it will break your system completely on each new boot things will come in as root only to find their compatriots owned ny you, horrible messy business, all the modules the kernel /dev /proc uggghh NO NO NO
[02:51] <Coily> alright so i should just "chown -R root /" then?
[02:51] <bascule> no
[02:51] <ftwig> anyone got any recomendations for a streaming client, preferebly something with level meters?
[02:51] <lithi_> ok It worked YAI!
[02:51] <bascule> WTF, then you can't do anything in your home directory , dude are you trolling or wj=aht????
[02:51] <Zotnix> Coily, it should, by default, be for root only.
[02:51] <bascule> note the -R he used
[02:51] <Zotnix> Yeah
[02:52] <Coily> i already used the command (was enjoying not having to use root nautilus)
[02:52] <Zotnix> You would break a lot. Some services use special users to run.
[02:52] <Zotnix> Coily, erm... >.<
[02:52] <bascule> Coily, after a reboot broken system,  nice
[02:52] <Coily> i need to set the ownership back, how should i do that
[02:52] <bascule> Coily, heh, good luck
[02:53] <Xappe> oh my...
[02:53] <Zotnix> Coily, you are probably better off reinstalling.
[02:53] <Coily> i dont understand why using chown wont work
[02:53] <bascule> Coily, correct you don't, so listen to people who do
[02:53] <bascule> pardon my harshness, but come on
[02:54] <aurax> hybrid,
[02:54] <aurax> you still here?
[02:54] <hybrid> yea
[02:54] <aurax> hoary is the live cd right?
[02:54] <hybrid> srry i thot i set it to away
[02:54] <Coily> im hearing you out but i still dont understand why it's not as simple as reverting back ownership
[02:54] <hybrid> yea
[02:54] <aurax> oh k
[02:54] <hybrid> all platforms
[02:54] <aurax> its looking good but i heard that there is no installer
[02:54] <srikat> Hi, I posted a question about partitioning advice at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=67096#post67096
[02:54] <srikat> can you guys please check that
[02:55] <Zotnix> Coily,  users on my system (that the SYSTEM uses) are bin, daemon, sys, games, backup, etc etc etc
[02:55] <hybrid> idk i am just editing source.list then apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:55] <aurax> who runs firestarter here?
[02:55] <Zotnix> Coily, You just obliterated all those users' homes and whatnot. you really messed up your system.
[02:55] <Zotnix> aurax, I do.
[02:55] <Coily> shit
[02:55] <bascule> Coily, as root run this command 'ls -lR / | wc -l' that tells you how many files you changed the permissions on
[02:55] <aurax> zontix is it possible to make run on startup without asking the root passwd?
[02:56] <Zotnix> aurax, yep, I can find you the howto.
[02:56] <pw3n> hi, I just installed ubuntu and followed the steps for installing Nvidia drivers on www.ubuntuguide.org and now instead of a login screen it just goes black everytime.. using 5200 FX.. can anyone help maybe?
[02:56] <Coily> can i still boot into xp?
[02:56] <aurax> cool
[02:56] <aurax> thx
[02:56] <Coily> checking bascule
[02:56] <bascule> and they all had various different owners before, you have no way of knowi9ng what they were originally
[02:56] <neyz> has anyone installed a ATI card with hoardy?
[02:56] <bascule> Coily, you are F*ed
[02:56] <lithi_> neyz: Did you get your x.org to work?
[02:57] <neyz> Lithi, yep :)
[02:57] <Coily> can i still boot into xp?
[02:57] <aurax> is it possible to image a whole drive and make an installer from it to reverse if crashing ?
[02:57] <lithi_> neyz: Check by typing X -version
[02:57] <bascule> Coily, yeah sure
[02:57] <lithi_> neyz: oh ok
[02:57] <Zotnix> aurax, http://www.fs-security.com/docs/faq.php
[02:57] <jirwin> hello
[02:57] <aurax> ty
[02:57] <Coily> my partitions were mounted, but i had a read only setup, im assuming chown didnt do anything?
[02:57] <neyz> lithi_ : i can read xorg stuff there
[02:57] <lithi_> neyz: So your 3d support isint working anymore?
[02:58] <jirwin> here is a silly question, but how do you get the xmms-crossfade plugin to work?
[02:58] <hou5ton> my son installed Ubuntu on this laptop for me, and I later went into Computer > System Config > Users and Groups and changed the user name he had entered (user) to a new one (hou5ton). But now the machine won't let me open a root terminal or sudo.
[02:58] <Zotnix> aurax, be careful when editing the /etc/sudoers file, I accidently messed mine up and I couldn't sudo.
[02:58] <hou5ton> any ideas?
[02:58] <neyz> lithi_: it never did ^^ i'm trying to install my ATI card now :)
[02:58] <jdub> hou5ton: ouch!
[02:58] <jdub> hou5ton: okay, so,
[02:58] <hybrid> how can you turn auto-mount off?
[02:58] <jdub> hou5ton: boot the computer in recovery mode at the boot screen
[02:58] <hou5ton> k
[02:58] <hou5ton> and then?
[02:58] <jdub> hybrid: removable storage under preferences
[02:58] <Dreamer3> Zotnix: what is firestarter?
[02:58] <lithi_> neyz: Ohh ok... Yea ill grab you a link to help (if I can find it)
[02:59] <hybrid> ok thanx jdub
[02:59] <jdub> hou5ton: then you need to change the line in /etc/sudoers that refers to the old user, to the new user
[02:59] <rcliii> srikat: that's got to be the first multimedia request for help I've ever witnessed.  nice job.
[02:59] <Coily> repeating question: my partitions were mounted, but i had a read only setup, im assuming chown didnt do anything?
[02:59] <neyz> cuz i ran the fglrxconfig but it says : This program will create the ATI "XF86Config-4" file
[02:59] <neyz>  i thought under xorg it was xorg.conf ?
[02:59] <jdub> hou5ton: can you file this as a bug?
[02:59] <jdub> hou5ton: describing what you did just then?
[02:59] <lithi_> neyz: You are correct
[02:59] <jirwin> does hoary plan on using xorg?
[02:59] <lithi_> neyz: there is special drivers that work with x.org
[03:00] <neyz> oh
[03:00] <hou5ton> jdub: sure ... i guess the process to do that will be on the Ubuntu home page?
[03:00] <jdub> hou5ton: yes, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:00] <hou5ton> great ... not a problem
[03:00] <Coily> anyone?
[03:00] <flowerss> neyz as far as I know fglrx doesn't work in xorg
[03:01] <hybrid> does anyone know if firewire works under ubuntu?
[03:01] <Xappe> flowerss, it is, ATI released drivers in january
[03:01] <neyz> oh ok i should stop the configuration process right now then hh
[03:01] <flowerss> Xappe, ok, my bad.  I tried using it in December ;-)
[03:02] <Coily> ack repeating question again:
[03:02] <neyz> i have installed this package : xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:02] <Xappe> neys, uninstall the old one and install the xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:02] <Coily> my partitions were mounted, but i had a read only setup, im assuming chown didnt do anything?
[03:02] <Xappe> neys, then you're good to go
[03:02] <Coily> ntfs windows partition
[03:02] <Coily> s
[03:02] <neyz> so now i just run fglrxconfig, add the mmodules to /etc/modules and it should work ?
[03:02] <mpq> is there a mp3pro plugin for mplayer?
[03:03] <jirwin> could someone help me with getting a usb wireless device to work
[03:03] <Xappe> neys, the fglrxconfig will STILL make a XF86Config-4 that you have rename to xorg.conf (be sure to backup the current one)
[03:03] <Xappe> *have to
[03:03] <neyz> ahhh ok that's what was confusing me, thanks :)
[03:04] <pw3n> So.. anyone have any idea why, after following the ubuntuguide.org steps for installing Nvidia driver, i just get a black screen instead of login now? or how to fix it..?
[03:04] <neyz> mm question for the mouse : Mouse device: [/dev/mouse]  is that the correct device ?
[03:04] <mpq> does anyone know if there's an mp3pro plugin for mplayer?
[03:05] <mpq> yes, I know that mp3pro sucks
[03:05] <Xappe> neyz, or you can copy the relevant part to the existing xorg.conf
[03:05] <Xappe> neyz, /dev/mice
[03:05] <Xappe> i think
[03:05] <Xappe> i'll check hang on
[03:05] <jeff_> hi
[03:05] <jeff_> got a ?
[03:06] <neyz> it says "/dev/input/mice" in my xconfig
[03:06] <Xappe> neyz, dev/inpout/mice
[03:06] <Xappe> *input
[03:06] <jeff_> i want to update my kernal.  where do i go to download it?
[03:06] <neyz> thx :)
[03:06] <jdub> jeff_: why do you want to update your kernel?
[03:07] <flowerss> anybody know if you can get beagle running on Warty?
[03:07] <jdub> flowerss: only with very great difficulty
[03:07] <flowerss> jdub that was the impression I got.  I buggered up mine so bat I had to reinstall.
[03:07] <jeff_> i was reading the security issues.  says there is a newer kernel than i have
[03:07] <imnes> I'm getting errors on the latest set of updates to hoary, is there some place for posting bug reports?
[03:08] <jdub> jeff_: you just need to do and update and upgrade in synapti
[03:08] <jdub> c
[03:08] <hybrid> jdub could you just use apt-get to get the newer kernal?
[03:08] <jbailey> jdub: *blink*
[03:09] <codename2> hey guys
[03:09] <jeff_> i'm used to red hat and mandrake.  upgrades are almost automatic
[03:09] <jbailey> jdub: Usually it's people talk to you that triggers the bloody highlight.  Now *you're* doing it too! =)
[03:09] <jdub> hybrid: if there's a security release or entirely new kernel version, yes
[03:09] <codename2> is there a hoary x64 iso anywhere?
[03:09] <mpq> I'm really annoyed
[03:09] <jeff_> debian is new to me
[03:09] <jdub> jeff_: very similar in ubuntu, and it will be improved in hoary
[03:09] <mpq> one of my favorite radio stations broadcasts in mp3pro
[03:09] <mpq> sounds lousy without the codec
[03:09] <jeff_> i'll give a try
[03:10] <jeff_> thanx
[03:10] <jeff_> ;)
[03:10] <mpq> and winamp is the only mp3 player that supports mp3pro
[03:10] <hybrid> codename2 yea
[03:10] <shingokii> so uh... I just dist-upgraded, now when I start I just get shell, no X
[03:10] <shingokii> anyone know how to fix?
[03:10] <hybrid> mpq wine
[03:10] <lithi_> mpq: doesent xmms support mp3pro?
[03:10] <hybrid> wine.sourceforge.net
[03:10] <lithi_> mpq: yea theres wine
[03:10] <srikat> rcliii, thanks..am refreshing every 5 minutes to see if someone replied
[03:10] <mpq> I don't know what xmms is
[03:10] <flowerss> shingokii I just reinstalled Warty when that happened to me.
[03:10] <flowerss> It was the fastest thing to do.
[03:10] <shingokii> I'm currently in X with no window manager, and xchat sat in the middle of the screen :)
[03:10] <poopy> anyone got an sblive in Ubuntu? I seem to be missing the whole front channel :) and I can't find the mixer option to raise it...
[03:10] <shingokii> would be nice to fix it though
[03:10] <imnes> shingokii: might need to run dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:10] <codename2> hybrid, where would that iso be?
[03:10] <mpq> I don't want to have to get winamp when it took me this long just to figure out mplayer
[03:11] <shingokii> imnes, I'll give that a go, thanks
[03:11] <inc_> ubuntu
[03:11] <imnes> oops no space, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg maybe
[03:11] <jeff_> also, what is best version of wine for ubuntu.  reg. debian?
[03:11] <hybrid> go to ubuntu.com and look for get ubuntu and it will have several worty but at the bottom i think it has hoary
[03:11] <flowerss> shingokii yeah, dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg, that's what I meant.  ;=)
[03:11] <jdub> jeff_: wine is in universe
[03:11] <inc_> i like red
[03:12] <jeff_> i like white
[03:12] <jeff_> LOL
[03:12] <inc_> heh
[03:12] <hybrid> lol
[03:12] <jesuel> merlot pls
[03:12] <lithi_> mpq: Look into xmms (its a winamp clone for linux) and from a quick google search it seems to have mp3pro support
[03:12] <shingokii> sorry can you give me that command again? the reconfigure one?
[03:12] <codename2> hybrid, it doesn't..
[03:12] <hybrid> hmm
[03:12] <lithi_> mpq: It works exactly like winamp so nothing new to learn
[03:12] <hybrid> h/o ill look for it
[03:12] <mpq> okay, I'll try it out
[03:12] <imnes> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:12] <imnes> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:13] <inc_> wish mp3s worked on my system
[03:13] <shingokii> thanks again
[03:13] <mpq> let's hope it supports mp3pro
[03:13] <flowerss> inc_ why don't you have mp3 support?  There are easy instructions on ubuntu docs
[03:13] <codename2> i found it :-)
[03:13] <mpq> my favorite song, and it sounds horrible
[03:13] <inc_> they don't work
[03:13] <inc_> only cds play on my system
[03:14] <flowerss> inc_ I'm a total ubuntu n00b and I had mp3 working 5 minutes after I booted for the first time.
[03:14] <hybrid> inc- those dont play on mine
[03:14] <flowerss> do you get any error messages when you try to install mp3 support
[03:14] <inc_> i have a crappy sound card
[03:14] <syx> somebody a quebec user? I have a real hard time with thi keyboard
[03:15] <hybrid> inc_ i have a weird sound card the one from apple
[03:15] <flowerss> syx french kb?
[03:15] <inc_> not going with osx hybrid
[03:15] <hybrid> inc_ no not unixy enuff
[03:16] <hybrid> inc_ it's cli is crippled like dos nearly
[03:16] <inc_> i thought osx had a whole unix backend
[03:16] <neyz> "Do you want to initialize xfree86-dga (y/n)? [n] " what is that thing anyways ? *lol*
[03:16] <syx> oui flowerss
[03:16] <inc_> i even read an article that you can install kde on an apple and run kde apps
[03:16] <neyz> des francais dans la salle?
[03:16] <hou5ton> jdub: thanks for the help, ... got it fixed
[03:16] <hybrid> inc_ well it is posix and is suppose to be on top of *bsd
[03:16] <flowerss> syx I have a french kb but I use it like a regular one just to confuse myself.  I got it for $6
[03:16] <hybrid> but it is *bsd
[03:17] <sirjackalot> a
[03:17] <syx> in windows its the canadian french keyboard...
[03:17] <hybrid> inc_ you can with fink it is like wine but osx and linux
[03:17] <inc_> they even had apt-get working on osx
[03:17] <hybrid> fink
[03:17] <hybrid> it is like runnin wine permantly
[03:17] <hybrid> lindows ie
[03:18] <inc_> lol
[03:18] <syx> is there any way to install the right one, it is not in the list
[03:18] <inc_> lindows
[03:18] <bubba> can someone tell me what the correct settings for xmms for sound should be? do i use alsa, oss, esound what? i just get no sound with xine but other event sound and all works fine
[03:18] <evarlast> bubba: esound is the ubuntu/gnome standard.
[03:18] <bubba> ok
[03:18] <flowerss> syx there are canadian french kb layouts listed on my keyboard config tool in Warty.
[03:18] <bubba> thanks
[03:18] <hybrid> codename2 why did you want the iso?
[03:18] <dreamer> I can really relate to lack of friends .. most of mine have stopped talking to me, or moved
[03:18] <bubba> let me see if i can put it on that and try brb
[03:18] <dreamer> heh wrong window
[03:18] <evarlast> bubba: then select your sound system in Desktop->Preferences->sound system
[03:19] <inc_> i get this when playing sound in rhythm box OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program.
[03:19] <imnes> wow
[03:19] <bubba> ok
[03:19] <randabis> I don't use esound anymore :p
[03:19] <randabis> polypaudio rawks
[03:19] <bubba> i see no sound system
[03:19] <imnes> inc_ you have a sound card that can't handle letting multiple programs use it at the same time.  Try to use esound for everything.
[03:19] <syx> i think i found so,ething::
[03:19] <evarlast> randabis: isn't that like ubber alpha-beta CVS only?
[03:20] <inc_> it's sound blaster compatible
[03:20] <bubba> i see general sound events and system bell
[03:20] <inc_> it used to on damn small linux
[03:20] <randabis> evarlast, it's in hoary, so probably so
[03:20] <randabis> works well
[03:20] <syx>    Woohoo found it!!! ??&&*$/
[03:21] <syx> dah, i was looking in french rather than in canadian!
[03:21] <hybrid> lol
[03:21] <mpq> of course, the one time the station plays all songs I like, and I don't have the mp3pro codec
[03:21] <bubba> anyone else ?
[03:22] <hybrid> would you quite moaning and try googling
[03:22] <mpq> I'm compiling xmms now
[03:22] <mpq> it takes a while
[03:22] <hybrid> it is in universal
[03:22] <bubba> xmms works fine for me but gxine is where i'm having issues
[03:24] <inc_> if i'm in gstreamerproperties i get this error Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon'
[03:24] <bubba> but you said desktop preferences sound system
[03:24] <bubba> is it just me or am i missing somethign here
[03:26] <inc_> try Applications > Run Applications... gstreamer-properties
[03:26] <inc_> buuba^
[03:26] <bubba> ok that did something
[03:26] <stuNNed> is there a way to switch to 2nd soundcard with gstreamer?
[03:26] <bubba> ouch
[03:26] <bubba> thats loud haha
[03:26] <bubba> :)
[03:26] <stuNNed> or use second soundcard?
[03:26] <inc_> lol least it works for you
[03:26] <bubba> yeah
[03:26] <bubba> its on esd
[03:27] <flowerss> how is esd related to gstreamer anyhow, or are they related at all?
[03:27] <bubba> ok so now esd works just set everything to use esd?
[03:27] <inc_> i guess...
[03:27] <inc_> how you get esd working.. i don't think it's running right on my box
[03:28] <bubba> i just don't understand this
[03:28] <bubba> if esd is working why don't i have it in volume control
[03:28] <bubba> i have alsa and oss
[03:28] <bubba> and when i move the ich5 alsa mixer controls the sound changes
[03:28] <jdub> bubba: you don't control volume through esd
[03:29] <inc_> you may need to go into the mixer properies.. my master volume doesn't do anything but pcm works
[03:29] <bubba> ok sorry i'm just confused never had to do this before
[03:29] <bubba> the mixer properties
[03:29] <bubba> wheres that at
[03:29] <jdub> right click the mixer icon
[03:29] <jdub> or double click it
[03:30] <bubba> where in volume control?
[03:30] <inc_> right click the speaker and click open volume control
[03:30] <inc_> ya
[03:30] <bubba> yeah i see the sliders
[03:30] <bubba> if thats what your talking about
[03:30] <inc_> yup try one till it works
[03:31] <bubba> i get no sound out of xine
[03:31] <inc_> you can set the one that work to the speaker on the desktop
[03:31] <inc_> i don't have that installed ytet
[03:32] <bubba> hmm strange
[03:32] <bubba> cause this thing was working just fine
[03:33] <randabis> make sure xine is using esd
[03:33] <bubba> i did
[03:33] <bubba> doesn't work on esd
[03:33] <bubba> i changed it to alsa and i get sound
[03:33] <bubba> thats what confuses me
[03:33] <randabis> ok
[03:33] <inc_> whatever works hehe
[03:33] <bubba> i mean is that really how it is
[03:34] <bubba> whatever works
[03:34] <inc_> kinda
[03:34] <evarlast> Xappe: send tlinks to the good ones :)
[03:34] <bubba> i'm running linux bandaid addition :)
[03:34] <bubba> :p
[03:34] <inc_> linux is always a work in progress
[03:34] <inc_> esp. with hardware lol
[03:35] <inc_> i'm happy my wireless card works
[03:35] <Xappe> evarlast, http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/12257240/ <-- hehe
[03:35] <bubba> yeah that was crap getting to work on here
[03:35] <bubba> you use the ndiswrapper?
[03:35] <R0bNyc> Hello, what cdburning app everyone uses here
[03:35] <hybrid> hat is a bin file
[03:35] <mpq> firefox doesn't play flash movies with sound
[03:35] <hybrid> **what is a bin file
[03:36] <Xappe> R0bNyc, graveman
[03:36] <inc_> you need to get the non-free flash that the wiki talks about
[03:36] <Dreamer3> hybrid: binary?
[03:36] <flowerss> mpq for me it works if no other sound apps are running at the time I load a flash page
[03:36] <hybrid> ok
[03:36] <hybrid> thanx dreamer
[03:36] <mpq> I don't know what's running
[03:36] <bubba> this is totally screwed up why is it master mono but my system is stereo
[03:36] <bubba> this is so quacked
[03:37] <inc_> i used modprobe to get it working bubba
[03:37] <mpq> it didn't work
[03:37] <bubba> what on the wireless?
[03:37] <inc_> yup
[03:37] <metaliu> Need some help!  can someone help me tech support my sound card?  it seemed to suddenly stop working for some reason.
[03:37] <bubba> it didn't like my broadcom
[03:37] <bubba> i had to ndiswrapper the driver
[03:37] <bubba> then mod it
[03:37] <bubba> and mpq
[03:37] <bubba> i have the flash package
[03:38] <bubba> not sure if my router like sme today
[03:38] <bubba> but i could dcc it to you
[03:38] <inc_> had to configure the channel and wep key and it worked...it's the arthos chipset whihc i heard works good with ubuntu
[03:38] <mpq> flash package?
[03:38] <bubba> yeah
[03:38] <bubba> i donwloaded it and works fine
[03:38] <R0bNyc> Xappe, where can i Find graveman?
[03:38] <bubba> sound and all
[03:38] <mpq> what is it?
[03:38] <R0bNyc> I'm trying to find gnomebaker but cant
[03:38] <bubba> hang on let me check
[03:38] <nomasteryoda> for Macromedia flash support
[03:38] <R0bNyc> I got k3b but it wont show up in the menu and i ran it via terminal and i need to set it up and it says root is incorrect
[03:38] <Dreamer3> flowerss: nothing like the wire... where is gigabit wireless, eh?
[03:38] <nomasteryoda> flowerss, safer
[03:39] <hybrid> whats happining nomasteryoda
[03:39] <hybrid> ?
[03:39] <nomasteryoda> hey
[03:39] <inc_> there's a repository you can use for the non free flash which worked good on my firefox
[03:39] <bubba> flash player 7 for linux
[03:39] <mpq> you mean I have to spend money?
[03:39] <flowerss> If I had wireless nics I could get free broadband.  There's a couple of neighbors with unsecured WAPs
[03:39] <hybrid> lol
[03:39] <Xappe> R0bNyc, I use Hoary, and it's in the repos
[03:39] <inc_> it's under restricted formats.. hold on
[03:39] <hybrid> mpq : free != $
[03:40] <hybrid> free == freedom
[03:40] <inc_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:40] <mpq> wait, so non doesn't mean not?
[03:40] <inc_> lol it was free for me
[03:40] <Xappe> hehe
[03:40] <hybrid> mpq ; free is all about freedom
[03:40] <bubba> inc any idea why pcm doesn't work but mono does this is a stero card i'm sure
[03:40] <bubba> maybe its not but i thought it was
[03:41] <metaliu> ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0.HUB0._PRT] 
[03:41] <metaliu> ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKA]  (IRQs 3 4 5 7 9 *10 11 12 14 15)
[03:41] <metaliu>     ACPI-0205: *** Error: Return object type is incorrect [\_SB_.PCI0.LNKA._DIS]  (Node dfff8d60), AE_TYPE
[03:41] <inc_> i wish i was the sound guru .. i'd have my sound working heh
[03:41] <metaliu> I get a bunch of those messages on bootup.  does anyone know what that means?
[03:41] <flowerss> mpq non-free in ubuntu just means that the software is licensed in such a way that in some parts of the world you may not be legally allowed to do whatever you want with it.  It's still gratis.
[03:41] <mpq> oh
[03:41] <inc_> damn legal mumbo jumbo
[03:41] <hybrid> not many linux ppl like non free
[03:41] <hybrid> lol yea inc_
[03:42] <hybrid> but free software is the best
[03:42] <bascule> metaliu, installing or booting?
[03:42] <flowerss> hybrid - only purists are hung up on non-free vs free.  For me, as long as I can work I'll use it.  The freedom part is just a bonus
[03:43] <inc_> how can u charge for something you don't physically own... gonna charge me for remembering the words to a song ;)
[03:43] <metaliu> bascule, booting
[03:43] <metaliu> bascule, i get it for a bunch of interrupts LNKA, LNKB, LNKC ...
[03:43] <jesuel> muah, i really love mythtv
[03:43] <hybrid> flowerss : yea well i kno alot of ppl that will never use closed source
[03:43] <bascule> metaliu, add noacpi to you r boot options however that is done, I know lilo not grub
[03:43] <butt> what was that website that is for right after you install Ubuntu? I cant seem to find it
[03:43] <flowerss> hybrid do they have jobs?  Do they work in the real world?
[03:43] <hybrid> ill use close source if it is some how better than its open source counter part
[03:44] <inc_> butt: huh/
[03:44] <hybrid> flowerss : actually yea
[03:44] <Dreamer3> anyone have a THinkpad laptop and ubuntu working perfect with acpi?
[03:44] <thesilverhand> butt: you mean ubuntuguide.org?
[03:44] <flowerss> hybrid doing what?  we do engineering, and the goddamn cad package that all our clients insist on is Autocad, closed source and windows only.
[03:45] <hybrid> flowerss :  idk not me talk to them. i wont step towards windoze tho too ugly and too many bad experiences
[03:46] <metaliu> bascule, do you think this option will make my sound card start working again?
[03:46] <flowerss> hybrid our company is 500 people and I'm on the IT staff, and the only one who runs Linux on my desktop.  We have lots of Linux servers, however.
[03:46] <encryptio> like oss/esd/alsa?
[03:46] <encryptio> damnit
[03:46] <bascule> metaliu, most likely, if the interrupts are borked and that option fixes them
[03:47] <Chazzle> to burn a boot disc, do i need any other files than the iso?
[03:47] <hybrid> flowerss : yea my school just bought new computers all xp and i hate it i tried to push for linux but no1 listened
[03:47] <Chazzle> I am new.
[03:47] <metaliu> bascule, ok, i'll give it a shot... brb
[03:47] <bascule> Chazzle, nope
[03:47] <Chazzle> cool.
[03:47] <Chazzle> thanks.
[03:47] <flowerss> hybrid MS probably gave all the senior IT people golf memberships or something ;-)
[03:47] <hybrid> lol
[03:47] <shad0w1e> hey, Q: What's the easiest, (SIMPLEST), quickest way to install KDE on Ubuntu ??
[03:48] <Chazzle> i am using xp's 'writable' folder...is this good enough or do i need another program?
[03:48] <hybrid> well we are just a lil school with a big grant and gateway gave them the best deal and they dont support linux
[03:48] <flowerss> shad0w1e, install ubuntu, download suse linux, format drive and install suse ;-)
[03:48] <shad0w1e> funny
[03:49] <shad0w1e> Is it really that hard?
[03:49] <imnes> shad0w1e: apt-get install kde works.
[03:49] <flowerss> kde isn't supported on ubuntu, is it?
[03:49] <hybrid> wtf u want kde
[03:49] <shad0w1e> why is GNOME better?
[03:49] <shad0w1e> I'm coming from Red Hat 6.2. KDE 1 kicked GNOME 1's ass!
[03:49] <metaliu> bascule, thanks that fixed it all up :)  you rock
[03:49] <hybrid> smaller faster and nothing like windows
[03:49] <micahf> hey I have a question
[03:49] <inc_> kde is cool
[03:49] <bascule> metaliu, you are welcome, and thank you :)
[03:50] <inc_> i like fluxbox better
[03:50] <hybrid> too windows-like
[03:50] <micahf> after installing, I noticed X and gnome and stuff were missing
[03:50] <hybrid> never used it
[03:50] <shad0w1e> root@JAYS:/home/jay # apt-get install kde
[03:50] <shad0w1e> Reading Package Lists... Done
[03:50] <shad0w1e> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[03:50] <shad0w1e> Package kde is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:50] <shad0w1e> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[03:50] <shad0w1e> is only available from another source
[03:50] <micahf> so I started to install them manually
[03:50] <shad0w1e> E: Package kde has no installation candidate
[03:50] <shad0w1e> root@JAYS:/home/jay #
[03:50] <imnes> You will lose some of the nice functionality gnome gives you.  Under KDE for example your drives won't auto-mount.
[03:50] <hybrid> could you like dual boot gui managers?
[03:50] <micahf> now I have half a gui installed
[03:50] <shad0w1e> oh flash drives...
[03:50] <shad0w1e> no biggie
[03:50] <micahf> and no xterm
[03:50] <flowerss> imnes who toldyou that?
[03:50] <HrdwrBoB> hybrid: yes
[03:50] <micahf> and ubuntu goes to x right away
[03:50] <hybrid> ok kool
[03:50] <shad0w1e> the apt-get didnt work
[03:50] <imnes> flowerss: I installed KDE on hoary last week and none of my drives / cdrom's would auto-mount.
[03:51] <flowerss> kde at least has a decent cd burner.
[03:51] <micahf> anyone got any ideas?
[03:51] <inc_> who needs auto mount lol
[03:51] <Chazzle> i am using xp's 'writable cd folder' to burn this boot disc....Should I use something else?
[03:51] <imnes> hehe, hey I like gnome's nautilus burner, I burn my DVD's in it.
[03:51] <flowerss> imnes, no automount on ubuntu, but every other kde distro has it.
[03:51] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[03:51] <shad0w1e> yes
[03:51] <metaliu> bascule, hmmm, my sound card is working, but dmesg is reporting that i'm still getting those error messages on bootup
[03:51] <shad0w1e> burn it AS an ISO
[03:51] <HrdwrBoB> you should burn the iso directly
[03:51] <micahf> nobody has ideas?
[03:51] <inc_> too much fluff.. fluxbox all the way
[03:51] <shad0w1e> don't put the iso onto the disk
[03:51] <HrdwrBoB> otherwise you will have a CD with an iso file on it
[03:51] <shad0w1e> you wont get anywhere
[03:51] <metaliu> bascule, any insight on what's happened?
[03:51] <dredg> automount is kinda nice actually. plug in camera/iriver/whatever and it just opens. mmm yum.
[03:51] <bascule> hmmm
[03:51] <imnes> flowerss: I know but I thought he was asking specifically about using kde on ubuntu
[03:52] <micahf> how do I configure the startup to not open the gui right off
[03:52] <inc_> matter of fact who needs a gui.. console baby
[03:52] <shad0w1e> Chazzle: Use any burning program, like Roxio or Nero. You need to find the "burn disc from image/file option"
[03:52] <micahf> yea how do I make the console default
[03:52] <micahf> please help
[03:52] <flowerss> imnes you're probably right.  I like gnome better despite the few shortcomings.
[03:52] <dredg> apt-get remove gdm?
[03:52] <hybrid> could you some how haave a cd burner and like upgrade the firmware or w/e to make it burn dvd's?
[03:52] <imnes> hehe if you guys want KDE / Console maybe just run debian instead of ubuntu - isn't the whole idea with ubuntu to get a nice gnome based setup?
[03:52] <imnes> :)
[03:52] <micahf> but I have no terminal
[03:52] <shad0w1e> fo ril?
[03:52] <jesuel> hrm
[03:53] <micahf> I am trying to finish installing
[03:53] <flowerss> micahf if you go ctrl-alt-f1 you should get a terminal
[03:53] <jesuel>  18:52:45 up 21 min,  4 users,  load average: 1.49, 1.34, 0.91
[03:53] <inc_> slackware baby
[03:53] <Chazzle> thanks shad0w1e, is there a free one or a trial one I can use just to burn the thing and obliterate xp afterward?
[03:53] <shad0w1e> I just finished settin all ma shit up
[03:53] <jesuel> that feels like really high load :(
[03:53] <micahf> xterm?
[03:53] <shad0w1e> dont tell me...
[03:53] <Coily> can i expand my ext3 partition without reinstalling?
[03:53] <micahf> or console?
[03:53] <micahf> because I didn't get xterm installed
[03:53] <shad0w1e> Chazzle: I'm sure there is
[03:53] <shad0w1e> Chazzle: in fact, Nero ought to have a trial
[03:53] <inc_> there's got to be a terminal
[03:54] <micahf> not xterm
[03:54] <poopy> wheren't there plans of having an ubuntu beagle deb?
[03:54] <shad0w1e> Chazzle: But it's kind of big.
[03:54] <bascule> metaliu, acpi=off can also be added, aprt from that go up to 2.6.10 if you have those sort of skills
[03:54] <Coily> anyone?
[03:54] <micahf> I try changing session to failsafe terminal
[03:54] <micahf> doesn't work
[03:54] <micahf> no xterm
[03:54] <niptac> hi guys how do I open a directory where I have permission denied access to?
[03:54] <Chazzle> thanks shad0w1e
[03:54] <metaliu> bascule, ok, i'll give that option a try
[03:54] <flowerss> micah going ctrl-alt-f1 switches you to the console
[03:54] <micahf> ok thanks flowerss
[03:54] <bascule> Coily, install qtparted
[03:55] <inc_> ijust use the gnome terminal
[03:55] <dredg> Coily: yeah. partition magic, qtparted...
[03:55] <micahf> yea I can't get gnome started
[03:55] <micahf> it doesn't work
[03:55] <Coily> alrighty good
[03:55] <inc_> oic
[03:55] <dredg> Coily: it's ext3 so it needs to be resized offline.. knoppix has qtparted. you could do it that way
[03:55] <micahf> it freezes on nautilus
[03:55] <micahf> and it takes like 10 minutes on the window manager startup
[03:55] <bascule> niptac, sudo nautilus, but be very careful with it
[03:55] <Coily> thanks :O
[03:55] <micahf> and if I click, it disappears
[03:56] <inc_> see i like the file manager in kde better than nautilus
[03:56] <micahf> I don't like the letter K
[03:56] <niptac> bascule ok thanks I just need to locate a file .pid that's all
[03:56] <micahf> and thats why I hate KDE
[03:56] <hybrid> lol
[03:56] <dredg> inc_: so use the kde file manager in gnome. there's nothing stopping you
[03:56] <inc_> better than W
[03:56] <micahf> true story
[03:56] <niptac> and kill it
[03:56] <micahf> thanks guys
[03:56] <micahf> see ya
[03:56] <inc_> well i may do that after i get sound working
[03:56] <bascule> niptac, sudo updatedb && sudo locate *.pid
[03:57] <micahf> oh wait, any ideas on what to apt-get to get my gui working?
[03:57] <felipe_> Hi there!
[03:57] <micahf> did apt-get install xserver-xorg x-window-system-core gnome
[03:57] <micahf> what else?
[03:57] <micahf> I will apt-get install xterm
[03:58] <micahf> because I need that
[03:58] <jesuel> ohh, i hate comcast!
[03:58] <micahf> is there a program I can use to automatically install the rest of the packages that the installer was supposed to install?
[03:58] <imnes> hehe how did you install ubuntu without a gui?
[03:58] <imnes> or you running something else?
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> micahf: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:59] <dwmurphy> ?
[03:59] <felipe_> Someone told me that ubuntu has most of it made w/ python...is it true?
[03:59] <micahf> nice
[03:59] <micahf> thanks alot
[03:59] <imnes> I don't remember the installer giving an option to not install gnome.
[03:59] <niptac> thanks bascule it found it
[04:00] <LinuxJones> felipe_, I think that Red Hat has that honor
[04:00] <imnes> felipe_ I think all debian based systems include just about every python dev tool, and all their stuff like configuration tools are written in python?
[04:00] <bascule> np
[04:00] <metaliu> umm, here's a simple question: how do i add an entry to the menu?
[04:00] <imnes> metaliu: open your file browser and type   applications:/// into the location
[04:00] <felipe_> hmmm I c
[04:01] <Xappe> ooh, they're watching me! http://www.delta.se/~jon/Screenshot.png  :)
[04:01] <metaliu> it says applications:/// is not a valid location
[04:01] <bascule> niptac, locate <whatever> is handy
[04:01] <imnes> oo you must be using Hoary
[04:01] <imnes> that's a nice screenshot
[04:01] <Dreamer3> so
[04:01] <niptac> cool thanks
[04:02] <metaliu> anyone else know how to add an entry to the menu?
[04:02] <aurax> is there a good ssh guy client ?
[04:02] <imnes> metaliu: if you're running Hoary you can't.
[04:02] <bascule> ssh -l <user> some.where
[04:02] <metaliu> imnes: that's a little... crappy?
[04:02] <imnes> yeah it's gnome's problem not ubuntu's.
[04:02] <Xappe> imnes, yes i'm starting to like my desktop now :)
[04:03] <imnes> Here's mine http://www.cs.uwf.edu/~nsmith/Screenshot.png
[04:03] <Xappe> what window theme is that?
[04:04] <hybrid> brb
[04:04] <imnes> metaliu: my understanding is they are implementing a new way to store menu entries based on some freedesktop.org standard (that both Gnome and KDE will share), but it's not done yet.
[04:04] <imnes> Xappe: it's Wintah
[04:04] <felipe_> mine: http://felipelopes.dotgeek.org/screenshot.jpeg
[04:04] <n0sferatu> hey, i need some help with iptables in ubuntu, every time that i add rules that i found in the net for sharing internet with another computer, i stop having access to internet in my linux box!, can someone tell me what happen with iptables in ubuntu  pls
[04:04] <Xappe> imnes, ok
[04:04] <housetier> here are mine: http://screenshots.mine.nu/
[04:04] <evarlast> WANTED:  add "status" to invoke-rc.d scripts as a standard.  coming from RH/MDK I MISS IT!
[04:05] <Dreamer3> evarlast: ps -Af | grep service ;-)
[04:05] <Dreamer3> evarlast: but not a bad idea :)
[04:05] <evarlast> Dreamer3: its not as nice :)
[04:05] <Dreamer3> evarlast: i nkow
[04:06] <Dreamer3> evarlast: we should just all use daemontools :)
[04:06] <evarlast> I've not used daemontools :)
[04:06] <evarlast> is that the service restarter thingy?
[04:07] <jesuel> grumble...grumble...grumble
[04:07] <Dreamer3> evarlast: it's by the author of qmail, djbdns, etc :)
[04:07] <dredg> yay djbware
[04:07] <dredg> without it life would be just too frickin easy
[04:07] <jesuel> grumble, 163 dollars month just for cable modem + tv
[04:07] <jesuel> i HATE comcast :(
[04:08] <Dreamer3> i switched our production dns server to it and have had 0 problems
[04:08] <hybrid> ok
[04:08] <dredg> right, see, he has this thing about distributing patched releases of software
[04:09] <dredg> i have this thing about patching and rebuilding something every time i want a feature :)
[04:09] <hybrid> lol
[04:09] <dredg> plus i use ipv6 in production. djb kind of flies in the face of that
[04:09] <Dreamer3> dredg: yeah, i used one patch
[04:09] <Dreamer3> dredg: yeah, he's not big on ip6 though i believe djbdns does work fine with it
[04:09] <evarlast> Dreamer3: wow.  that says a lot.  does it have all the features of bind?
[04:09] <flowerss> jesuel wow, is that US dollars?
[04:09] <chillywilly> djb is an ass too
[04:09] <chillywilly> ;P
[04:09] <jesuel> yes flowerss
[04:09] <flowerss> brutal
[04:10] <dredg> chillywilly: didn't want to bring that one up :)
[04:10] <Dreamer3> evarlast: you'll have to read up on it yourself, totally different... i had to rebuild all my zones to the new format files
[04:10] <jesuel> that gets me all the premium channels, but still
[04:10] <jesuel> and 6mbit download/768 upload with 1 static ip
[04:10] <ewhitte1> is anyone else having this weird issue:  when i startup and login through gdm, gnome won't come up.  I reboot and try again, it works fine.  This seems to happen everytime I shut down.
[04:10] <flowerss> mine's like $29.95 for cable internet, and $40 for digital sattelite.
[04:10] <flowerss> canadian
[04:10] <jesuel> but still, extremely brutal
[04:10] <jesuel> oh i h8 u
[04:10] <jesuel> :)
[04:10] <evarlast> wow... canadian, so it is even cheaper!
[04:10] <jesuel> the sad thing, the cable internet part is like 50 bucks
[04:11] <flowerss> well, I don't have all the fancy stuff you have though.
[04:11] <dredg> Dreamer3: feh, i have thousands of zones that i'm not converting any time soon :)
[04:11] <jesuel> the rest is the actually cable
[04:11] <imnes> We have 5mbit / 384k with 1 static IP like $35
[04:11] <flowerss> i don't have enough time to watch that much tv.
[04:11] <randabis> yo'
[04:11] <jesuel> imnes thats pretty cheap
[04:11] <dredg> Dreamer3: though i wish you all the best with djbdns
[04:11] <flowerss> besides, I can just dl all my shows off btefnet.net anyhow.
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> imnes, nice
[04:11] <jesuel> ...
[04:12] <jesuel> uhm
[04:13] <jesuel> imnes, those torrents fast?
[04:13] <imnes> Depends.
[04:13] <jesuel> well, fast and good quality?
[04:13] <imnes> Usually the fastest downloads I see are like 300k/s sustained.  More typical is 200
[04:14] <jesuel> well thats not so bad
[04:14] <imnes> But I can run multiple downloads at the speed, so I dunno it's like each stream is capped or something
[04:14] <jesuel> i can always dl 3 or 4 things at once ;p
[04:14] <dredg> jdub: so what did djb do to you? this can be like therapy...
[04:14] <Dreamer3> dredg: well, i had more than a few, but they were all based off templates (hosting company) so i just made a new template and updated my "create new domain" script :)
[04:16] <dredg> Dreamer3: sure. i just have huge reservations (read: i get the fear) about doing things like ripping out bind and putting in something else
[04:16] <randabis> heh
[04:16] <randabis> problems?
[04:17] <Dreamer3> dredg: yeah, i had a few :)
[04:17] <Dreamer3> dredg: did lots of testing
[04:17] <dredg> i still run sendmail on a bunch of servers because i don't want to risk the hurt that could stem from a migration to postfix going horribly horribly horribly wrong
[04:18] <dredg> and besides, if it ain't broke... :)
[04:18] <lamont> dredg: who says it ain't? :-)
[04:18] <neom> If it ain't broke, tweek it!
[04:18] <ewhitte1> dredg:  what's the IP of those servers?  I'll help move your migration along. ;)
[04:18] <n0sferatu> hey, i need some help with iptables in ubuntu, every time that i add rules that i found in the net for sharing internet with another computer, i stop having access to internet in my linux box!, can someone tell me what happen with iptables in ubuntu  pls
[04:18] <dredg> lamont: me. it's 3.20am and it better not be :)
[04:19] <lamont> heh
[04:19] <ewhitte1> dredg:  3:20am?  england?
[04:19] <dredg> close. ireland.
[04:19] <Xappe> n0sferatu, have you tried Firestarter? easy to use fron end to iptables
[04:19] <ewhitte1> same thing!
[04:19] <ewhitte1> ;)
[04:19] <dredg> ewhitte1: there are some who would kill you in the face for that one ;)
[04:20] <lamont> it was like the only good thing to come out of the melissa virus
[04:20] <ewhitte1> dredg:  I'm just giving you a hard time. :)
[04:21] <dredg> ewhitte1: 6/10 for effort anyway
[04:21] <dredg> lamont: nice
[04:21] <ewhitte1> I had to get up at 6am and it's been a long day.  I'll try harder next time.
[04:21] <ewhitte1> I did manage to get ifolder3 with nautilus extensions up and running on ubuntu in about 30 secs. this afternoon, though.
[04:22] <ewhitte1> alien the rpms from ifolder.com, move all the stuff it puts into /opt/gnome/* into /usr and restart nautilus. :)
[04:23] <dredg> ick
[04:23] <dredg> grab the src and make packages?
[04:23] <dredg> mmm sane :)
[04:23] <ewhitte1> dredg:  probably a better way to go about it.  this was a quick "I wonder if it would even work" test.
[04:23] <Dreamer3> ewhitte1: ifolder, apples online file storage?
[04:24] <ewhitte1> Dreamer3:  no, from novell.  it's pretty neat.
[04:24] <n0sferatu> Xappe, i need something for share internet, can i use firestarte for that?
[04:24] <ewhitte1> Dreamer3:  watch the flash demos:  http://www.ifolder.com/screens.html
[04:24] <Dreamer3> ewhitte1: what's it do?
[04:24] <ewhitte1> network sync'ed folders with ACL's.
[04:24] <Dreamer3> ewhitte1: are they heavy flash, i'm on dialup
[04:24] <ewhitte1> yeah, 1-3MB
[04:25] <Dreamer3> ewhitte1: this is fre enovell stuff?
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> nice
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> Novell SuSE can be had for free
[04:25] <ewhitte1> Dreamer3:  yeah, at least the client portion.  It's being written with mono for os x, linux, and windows.
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> there is a posting that states such
[04:25] <ewhitte1> comes in two varieties:  workgroup (free, user to user sharing), and enterprise (which isn't free)
[04:26] <jdub> when the ifolder gui doesn't bite, it will land in ubuntu
[04:26] <dredg> ewhitte1: right. might package it tomorrow...or now.. i should sleep but i don't think that'll happen
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> er, I'll find the post
[04:26] <Dreamer3> ewhitte1: i take it the enterprise version is pricey?
[04:26] <jdub> most likely in hoary+1 universe
[04:27] <Xappe> n0sferatu, yes. look at this: http://www.fs-security.com/docs/wizard.php
[04:27] <ewhitte1> jdub:  aside from it killing nautilus every once in awhile, it seemed to play fairly nice.
[04:27] <jdub> ewhitte1: not with human beings
[04:28] <ewhitte1> jdub:  I'll agree with that part, yes.
[04:29] <ewhitte1> jdub:  the red 'i' emblem on the folders likes to jump from top to bottom in ugly fashions.
[04:30] <regeya> ifolder...
[04:32] <hybrid> hey g2
[04:32] <hybrid> g
[04:32] <heliolith> hello all; I'm having a hard time installing on my laptop, in the first few screens the installer locks up and won't let me progress.  I found similar issues on the forums but no solution short of the "NET install", after making a bootable floppy.  Is there a simpler to initiate an internet based installation than the one described in the forums that anyone here knows of?  I really want Ubuntu on my laptop!
[04:33] <mpq> I just got an interesting idea and I'm wondering if it exists
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> mpq, what
[04:34] <mpq> anyone know if there's a program that changes your wallpaper every day?
[04:34] <Examancer> yes
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> sure
[04:34] <Examancer> there is
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> mpq, so you got it running?
[04:34] <mpq> I don't have one
[04:34] <mpq> I thought it would be a good idea
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> linux i meant
[04:34] <heliolith> change wallpaper script here: http://mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/clasqm/ubuntu.html
[04:34] <mpq> oh, yeah
[04:34] <zzxroad> does anyone have a bash script to install flash and java and wine?
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> congrats
[04:34] <heliolith> link above for mpq
[04:35] <Examancer> i don't know if there is a decent gnome wallpaper changer out there though, with a GUI and everything
[04:35] <mpq> thanks helio
[04:35] <Examancer> sounds like a nice little app
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> Examancer, its called kde
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> =)
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> i can do that at any interval
[04:36] <jdub> mpq: there's a few out there; google :-)
[04:36] <heliolith> Who here has experience installing over the net with no cd?
[04:36] <hnn> heliolith: Try debian ;)
[04:36] <mpq> what do I do with the .sh file?
[04:36] <Examancer> ./ it
[04:36] <hnn> mpq: chmod +x *.sh then ./*.sh
[04:37] <Examancer> . executes
[04:37] <mpq> ok
[04:37] <heliolith> hnn and abandon ubuntu? it's all I know Lol!
[04:37] <Examancer> or you can do sh script.sh i think
[04:37] <Xappe> nomasteryoda, i didn't hear you, did you say bloated?
[04:37] <Xappe> ;)
[04:37] <Examancer> lol Xappe
[04:37] <hnn> heliolith: Try the expert installation ;)
[04:38] <heliolith> hnn ubuntu expert?
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> Xappe, LOL
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> true
[04:38] <mpq> hnn: nothing happened
[04:38] <hnn> heliolith: HEH... no, I just installed it ;) But i have linux experience since 1997 :)
[04:38] <Xappe> nomasteryoda, :)
[04:39] <hnn> mpq: Hm.. is it executable? :p
[04:39] <mpq> I have experience since yesterday
[04:39] <mpq> I don't know
[04:39] <hnn> mpq: ls -lA
[04:39] <hnn> What does it tells you?
[04:39] <bubba> inc you still there?
[04:39] <heliolith> hnn you just installed what? Ubuntu over the net?  via expert installation?  I' have Linux experience since 2004 /sigh I don't know why my laptop's CD-roms are so sucky that they won't let Ubuntu install /pout
[04:39] <hnn> On the line with the *.sh script
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> mpq, you will catch on
[04:40] <mpq> -rwxr-xr-x    1 tony     tony         1720 2005-02-09 19:35 ranwp.sh
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> give it 2-3 weeks
[04:40] <mpq> the filename is green
[04:40] <zzxroad> doe anyone have a script or program to tweak your sources.lst, apt-get update, then install wine, khtml, java, flash?
[04:40] <hnn> mpq: ./ranwp.sh
[04:40] <hnn> It should run the
[04:40] <hnn> n
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> mpq, if you do "ls -al" you will see permissions
[04:40] <mpq> nothing happened
[04:40] <bubba> ill try again cause i'm still stuck can someone kindly help me with my sound on ubuntu? i can open up applications like xine and all and it the mute on it and i still have full sound
[04:40] <hnn> nomasteryoda: He just did that ;)
[04:41] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:41] <bubba> i can slide the volume down to nothing on the volume control and i have sound wat am i doing wrong
[04:41] <hnn> nomasteryoda: Try to look a few lines up :)
[04:41] <mpq> I have volume control buttons on the side of my computer, how do I get them to work in ubuntu?
[04:41] <hnn> heliolith: hehe... Nah... I installed it via the CD player ;)
[04:42] <hnn> heliolith: But i have installed a few servers over the net with Debian that Ubuntu is based on
[04:42] <asimo> how do I stop the bootup sequence from started X?
[04:43] <hnn> asimo: Try to press CTRL-ALT-Backspace ;)
[04:43] <asimo> when, during bootup?
[04:43] <hnn> Dunno :p
[04:44] <heliolith> Ok I guess I'll try the floppy/ net install referenced here: it looks scary though... (i think i can, I think i can) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetbootInstallHowto
[04:45] <hnn> heliolith: Try dual boot :)
[04:45] <hnn> So you can return to the Crappy XP :p
[04:45] <heliolith> hnn how would dual boot help me?  I don't need no stinkin' windows anymore
[04:45] <hnn> heliolith: *sigh*
[04:46] <Xappe> if I get the hang of cvscedega I'll wipe my xp installation too
[04:46] <heliolith> lol
[04:46] <mpq> I wiped xp the easy way
[04:46] <mpq> by formatting the only partition on my computer
[04:46] <hnn> heliolith: I put ubuntu on my mac yesterday... I really sucked :p
[04:47] <hnn> OSX is 1000 times better :)
[04:47] <Xappe> but it seems har to a grip of that program
[04:47] <heliolith> hnn: dual boot doesnt' fix my cd-rom problem...
[04:47] <Xappe> *hard to get
[04:47] <jba> hey guys
[04:47] <jba> jdub, you around dude?
[04:47] <heliolith> lol hnn
[04:47] <hnn> heliolith: Try to tell it to work?:p
[04:47] <asimo> is there no key that you can hold down so it startX doesn't load on bootup?
[04:48] <hnn> asimo: AFAIK, no :p
[04:48] <asimo> screw this, I'm going back to mandrake
[04:49] <hnn> asimo: Try Fedora Core 3 ;)
[04:49] <asimo> I didn't like Fedora...
[04:49] <Agrajag> why not just boot into runlevel 3 or 4?
[04:49] <jba> does the kernel in hoary array 4 have the mkinitrd magic for custom dsdt yet guys ?
[04:49] <jba> jdub, anyone ?
[04:50] <jdub> jba: the kernel has initrd magic, but it's nothing to do with mkinitrd
[04:50] <jdub> unless jbailey has already uploaded his mkinitrd hack
[04:50] <jdub> which will do the dsdt attaching for you
[04:50] <jba> jdub, nah was going off a comment you made a few weeks back
[04:51] <jdub>   * Take /etc/mkinitrd/DSDT and put it in the initrd if it exists.
[04:51] <jdub>     (Ubuntu BZ#5231)
[04:51] <jba> so jdub, do i still need to cat the custom dsdt to the end of initrd, or is there a special place i can put it
[04:51] <jba> sweet
[04:51] <scoon> asimo, what's the beef ?
[04:51] <asimo> I guess I'll just reinstall it... again
[04:51] <jba> jdub, by the way, i've been away for a few days, my son was just born
[04:52] <jdub> cool, congrats
[04:52] <asimo> scoon, I installed ubuntu and it didn't configure my graphics, gave me an error and dropped me to the prompt
[04:52] <jba> thanks ,ate
[04:52] <jba> mate
[04:52] <scoon> asimo, what kind of card ?
[04:52] <jba> hmm bugzilla.ubuntu.com is verified by an unknown authority
[04:53] <asimo> scoon, so I found the ubuntuguide.org and decided to follow the nvidia driver install guide
[04:53] <Dreamer3> jdub: is there any way to tell the kernel NOT to try and do certain things when booting?
[04:53] <asimo> scoon, I have a GeForce 6600
[04:53] <scoon> asimo, I have never had any luck w/ nvidia debs.
[04:53] <felix_1> hi, Can't find guide to setup sudoer : there were no sudo setup in array-cd 4 install in expert mode... ( yes expert, sorry ) I had to install LILO instead of GRUB, and root account is enabled but no sudoer
[04:53] <scoon> asimo, i use the installer from the site.
[04:54] <scoon> asimo, the down side of that is that every time i update my kernel, i need to re-run the installer
[04:54] <scoon> asimo, but the upside is that my video works
[04:54] <asimo> scoon, I ran the apt-get stuff which seemed to install ok, said I should restart X
[04:54] <asimo> so since I was in the prompt already I ran startx
[04:54] <jba> jdub, that bugzilla doesn't mention the location of the DSDT file
[04:55] <jba> is there anywhere with documentation on it that I can look?
[04:55] <jba> or do i just take your comment literally:
[04:55] <scoon> asimo, and was there an err next ?
[04:55] <asimo> scoon, then it froze on the nvidia logo
[04:55] <jba> and dump it in /etc/mkinitrd/DSDT
[04:56] <asimo> scoon, so I has to restart, but every time I restart, it trys to load startx and freezes again and again on the nvidia logo and I can't get it to stop loading startx on bootup
[04:56] <scoon> asimo, that was in startx ?
[04:56] <scoon> asimo, take a look in the file ~/.xsession-errors
[04:56] <scoon> asimo, also, what version is the debian nvidia stuff
[04:57] <scoon> 6629 ?
[04:57] <shad0w1e> does anyone know where the ubuntu file is that I can edit to add more sessions (I installed other GUI interfaces)
[04:57] <asimo> scoon, I would if I could, but how do I log into my system when it always trys to load startx on bootup and crashes?
[04:57] <jdub> jba: initrd-tools docs
[04:58] <scoon> asimo, isn't it in the ubuntu guide on how to change runlevels ?
[04:58] <scoon> for boot
[04:58] <jba> cool thanks mate, I just figured to look there when i saw what module the bug was under
[04:58] <asimo> scoon, I don't see anything
[04:58] <asdf123> is there any way to install ubuntu onto a partition, while leaving the rest of the partitions, given that no such option exists in the installer?
[04:58] <shad0w1e> ah got it
[04:58] <shad0w1e> thanks
[04:58] <shad0w1e> ...
[04:59] <asimo> asdf123, yes, it's all in the installer
[04:59] <asdf123> supposedly, but when I go to manual partitioning, there seems to be no way to select the free space I left on this drive
[05:00] <scoon> asimo, you need to do chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[05:00] <scoon> asimo, that will stop it from starting up
[05:00] <asimo> asdf123, I'm going to reinstall ubuntu now, I'll walk through with you
[05:00] <scoon> asimo, that is one of the many ways to do it.
[05:01] <asimo> asdf123, ok I'm at "Manually edit partition table"
[05:01] <asimo> asdf123, there's nothing in there for you marked "FREE SPACE"?
[05:01] <asdf123> no
[05:01] <asdf123> both of my drives are listed
[05:02] <asdf123> if I select the one I want then it asks me if I really want to format
[05:02] <asimo> asdf123, do you have partitions already makde
[05:02] <asimo> makde = made
[05:03] <asdf123> i have primary with Windows, free space, then extended
[05:03] <asimo> scoon, I'd love to try your command BTW, but I'm no longer in prompt and I can't get there because it's always trying to startx and crashing
[05:03] <scoon> asimo, ever hear of a live CD ?
[05:04] <scoon> asimo, ubuntu has one, so does knoppix.
[05:04] <randabis> knoppix IS one you mean :p
[05:04] <asimo> scoon, didn't make one, and I can reinstall ubuntu before I get to a live up and running
[05:04] <scoon> my grammer sux
[05:05] <scoon> asimo, well good luck.  and consider making a live cd.
[05:05] <scoon> asimo, is your card agp or pci ?
[05:05] <asimo> scoon, noted
[05:05] <asimo> agp
[05:05] <scoon> asimo, you may want to check on nvidia's site for troubleshooting.
[05:06] <asimo> asdf123, "Free Space" is your empty partition, format it and set it as "/"
[05:06] <scoon> asimo, i think i have heard people saying that the older drivers don't work w/ that card.
[05:06] <scoon> asimo, there is a really good chance that the warty nvidia is NOT 6629
[05:06] <asdf123> that's what's on my drive, but ubuntu doesn't present it as such
[05:07] <asimo> is anyone else understanding asdf123 problem?
[05:07] <asdf123> i'm familiar with partitioning and installing linux distros, but I'm less familiar with ones that want me to trash my disk at every option...
[05:08] <asimo> ubuntu doens't have a partition resizer, it only allows you to manage what you already have
[05:08] <asimo> if you have free space, you can partition that into a swap and a drive for "/"
[05:08] <asdf123> i get a screen "format disk A, format disk B, manual partition" so I choose manual. I get some options: "config raid, helpful stuff, disk A, disk B, disk B logical partition #5, back"
[05:09] <asdf123> there is no free space listed
[05:09] <asdf123> selecting disk A, which has my free space, is where I'm prompted to trash that disk too
[05:09] <bubba> is there not a master volume control for ubuntu gnome?
[05:09] <asdf123> i don't need to resize. I left 20GB for primary partitions
[05:09] <asimo> asdf123, that's FUBAR, for me it displayed all my partitions under my hda
[05:09] <asdf123> i see
[05:09] <bubba> cause pcm-2 will change some of the volume then mono master changes the other
[05:10] <siimo> eye candy  x.x  http://tr.openmonkey.com/files/images/ubuntuubuntu.jpg
[05:10] <bubba> :``(
[05:10] <asimo> asdf123, then I just entered the partion under the drive that I wanted to install under and blah blah blah
[05:11] <poopy> what is the next best thing to k3b?
[05:11] <Xappe> graveman or gnomebaker i would say
[05:11] <poopy> Xappe: and which do you like of the two? :)
[05:12] <Xappe> i've only used graveman
[05:12] <poopy> huh i'll give it a go..
[05:12] <poopy> thanks
[05:12] <mooselips> Linux still has issues, but I am not sorry to see it on the way out.  Nice eye candy...
[05:12] <siimo> graveman  ?
[05:12] <Martok> Linux is on the way out?
[05:12] <poopy> sii: apt-cache show graveman
[05:12] <Xappe> poopy, if you need dvd support I think gnomebaker is the one
[05:12] <Martok> Not in my home it isn't.
[05:13] <mooselips> No Microsoft..
[05:13] <poopy> sounds like a flamer to me
[05:13] <Martok> Microsoft is on it's way out?
[05:13] <siimo> heh i prefer gnomebaker
[05:14] <Xappe> siimo, yes, but graveman is in the repos, at least for Hoary users
[05:14] <Martok> Microsoft will never go away.
[05:14] <Golfer> i am happy with k3b
[05:14] <Xappe> Golfer, yes it's a good app but it's also qt-horror
[05:14] <mooselips> It is in my trash can....
[05:15] <poopy> Xappe: how do you get mp3 support in graveman?
[05:15] <Golfer> seems to work well here
[05:16] <mpq> does warty support USB 2.0?
[05:16] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[05:16] <mpq> good
[05:16] <Xappe> poopy, oh, check out the graveman thread in the hoary forum.
[05:16] <Martok> Does Hoary detect serial devices?
[05:16] <poopy> xappe thanks
[05:16] <mpq> I heard there were some distros that don't support devices that don't work with 1.1
[05:16] <Xappe> seems like the package maintainer did accidentally build it without mp3-support
[05:16] <mpq> it was a bug in a linux-based arcade game
[05:17] <Xappe> and he has promised to fix that soon
[05:17] <LinuxJones> night all sleepy time :)
[05:17] <Martok> Nobody answered my question.
[05:17] <Xappe> serial devices like what?
[05:19] <Martok> Xappe: Like serial mice.
[05:19] <mpq> I don't even have a serial port on my computer
[05:19] <Xappe> hmm, feels like it should do that :)
[05:20] <mpq> I don't have a floppy drive either
[05:20] <Xappe> floppys are so 1993
[05:20] <mpq> lol
[05:20] <Martok> Xappe: It SHOULD, but warty didn't detect my serial mouse automatically.
[05:20] <Martok> And I'm very angry.
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> Martok, mice are cheap
[05:20] <Martok> I can't get it to work at all.
[05:21] <randabis> use a hoary cd :p
[05:21] <Xappe> Martok, mybe you could try with the hoary live cd
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> Xappe, LOL
[05:21] <Martok> There's a Hoary Live CD?
[05:22] <Xappe> yep
[05:22] <randabis> sure
[05:22] <Martok> Cool, I'll try it tomorrow.
[05:22] <Martok> Is Hoary stable?
[05:22] <Xappe> quite
[05:22] <Martok> Cool, I was going to wait until April.
[05:23] <mdz> the array 4 live CD is quite stable
[05:23] <randabis> depends on what you mean by stable
[05:23] <gen> i wouldnt call it stable
[05:23] <mdz> hoary as a whole is likely to go through some breakage yet
[05:23] <Xappe> still some annoying gnome bugs and so on, but i could never use warty because it's so outdated :)
[05:23] <mdz> though we just entered feature freeze today, so we're more or less winding down
[05:23] <randabis> mdz no usplash yet :(
[05:23] <mdz> randabis: there have been some setbacks, but there is still a valiant effort underway
[05:24] <randabis> great :p
[05:24] <mdz> I want to see it happen
[05:24] <Xappe> mdz, I guess that's why there were so many updates available today
[05:24] <randabis> I think just about everyone does :)
[05:24] <mdz> we'll know within the next week
[05:24] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  Since we just had the feature freeze, I was wondering if usplash will be in hoary or if it has been pushed back to hoary+1.  Does anyone know?
[05:24] <randabis> I'd love to help if I had the technical know how
[05:24] <mdz> ficusplanet: see above
[05:25] <ficusplanet> mdz, Oh, is that what the valiant effort is about?  I just got into the room.
[05:25] <randabis> yeah I had just commented about usplash before you entered
[05:25] <poopy> Xappe: uhh did you actually get mp3 burning to work the forums seem to be fairly useless..
[05:25] <randabis> because last weekend mdz had told me usplash might be up by sunday. Understandable setbacks though
[05:26] <Xappe> hmm, i got mp3 support at least :)
[05:26] <ficusplanet> Cool.  Thanks for the info.
[05:26] <HaloGray> any ideas on when the epd nonsense will be fixed?
[05:26] <Xappe> poopy, i can give u a summary in a query if you want
[05:26] <poopy> Xappe: what version of the program do you have? :) cause I don't have any mp3 crap..
[05:26] <poopy> Xappe: sure
[05:27] <Dreamer3> what's going on tonight?
[05:27] <Dreamer3> anything?
[05:29] <randabis> not much
[05:29] <randabis> just waiting on torrents here lol
[05:29] <gen> nublet
[05:30] <HaloGray> do any current distros still use 2.4?
[05:30] <HaloGray> Or is everything on 2.6 now?
[05:30] <mdz> HaloGray: Debian 3.0
[05:30] <mdz> HaloGray: OpenWall
[05:30] <HaloGray> Why do they use it?  Any particular reason?
[05:30] <gen> because they're stable is beyond stable, so outdated
[05:31] <gen> their
[05:31] <gen> *
[05:31] <mdz> OpenWall use it because they maintain extensive patches, and it presumably takes quite some effort to update to a new minor release
[05:31] <OOOOKKK> hey
[05:31] <neal_> i have a new install - totem won't work - what am I missing?
[05:31] <OOOOKKK> guys
[05:31] <OOOOKKK> I need help on something
[05:31] <OOOOKKK> I want to download a executable sort of program which can apply A* to my given state representation of 8 Puzzle
[05:31] <HaloGray> neal_: Wont work like wont launch?  Or wont play various movies?
[05:31] <mdz> (I assume; I haven't asked them)
[05:31] <OOOOKKK>  does any one knows from where to download ?
[05:32] <neal_> when i open a file it says it can't play the file for unknown reason
[05:32] <neal_> the file is mpeg
[05:32] <neal_> and avi
[05:32] <neal_> and they are good files
[05:32] <randabis> the 2.4.30 kernel will be out reasonably soon
[05:32] <gen> totem sucks
[05:32] <asimo> scoon, you still there?
[05:32] <randabis> 2.4.30pre1 is out
[05:32] <gen> neal, use mplayer or vlc
[05:33] <scoon> asimo, yes
[05:33] <randabis> totem works fine
[05:33] <mdz> neal_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:33] <asimo> scoon, ok, what do I need to edit to stup startx from running on bootup?
[05:33] <scoon> sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[05:34] <HaloGray> I use mplayer myself
[05:34] <HaloGray> It supports plenty of windows codecs
[05:34] <HaloGray> So long as they're installed :P
[05:34] <asimo> scoon, ok... is that is?
[05:35] <neal_> also when i go to configure a binary for a make install it gives me one error after another
[05:35] <scoon> asimo, yes. that is a brute force way of stopping it from loading
[05:35] <scoon> asimo, read man chmod to better understand what is happening.
[05:35] <poopy> Xappe: you rock man! thanks
[05:35] <Martok> asimo: Are you into the robot of the same name?
[05:35] <randabis> totem-xine supports just as many
[05:36] <Xappe> poopy, np ;)
[05:36] <asimo> I've been folling it's production... thought it would be a cool handle
[05:36] <scoon> asimo, you could also use update-rc.d
[05:37] <bubba> does ubuntu not have alsaconf?
[05:39] <sanzky> hi, does anyone knows how to play divx files in ubuntu?
[05:39] <bascule> win32-codecs
[05:39] <bubba> anyone know?
[05:39] <Xappe> sanzky, or vlc
[05:41] <sanzky> is win32-codecs in the repositories?
[05:41] <gen> sanzky just grab vlc
[05:41] <sanzky> ok
[05:41] <bubba> is there a way to make sound control actually work on this dang thing
[05:44] <sanzky> and other thing, how can I add a deamon so it starts at boot? I deleted it from /etc/rcx
[05:45] <sanzky> the deamon I need powernowd
[05:46] <randabis> bubba, try alsa-utils
[05:46] <bubba> do you just type that in the shell
[05:46] <bubba> cause i have it installed
[05:46] <bubba> its really fustrating me :(
[05:47] <randabis> not sure...you should see what packages that installs
[05:47] <bubba> cause one slider controls haf the sound pcm-2 to be specific
[05:47] <randabis> never had to use it
[05:47] <bubba> and then master mono the other part
[05:47] <bubba> so basically i can't kill sound with one slider
[05:50] <cthulfuego> Has the md5sum mismatch problem been sorted?
[05:51] <Xappe> think so
[05:51] <Golfer> yes it has
[05:51] <cthulfuego> cool, thanks.
[05:52] <bubba> anone else knwo how to use alsa-utils?
[05:53] <Golfer> bubba what are you attempting to do
[05:53] <bubba> get my sound working
[05:53] <bubba> as in this
[05:53] <Golfer> no sound at all even at boot
[05:53] <bubba> if i go to to the slider in gnome it has no effect on my sound
[05:53] <bubba> sound works but i cna't change it
[05:53] <stuNNed> using spdif?
[05:54] <bubba> but if i go to the pcm-2 slider and lower it the front speakers kill
[05:54] <bubba> and then if i go to master mono the back speakers kill
[05:54] <bubba> i want to mute the whoel sound as in a master slider
[05:55] <bubba> like in xine if i hit mute i want the dang thing to mute
[05:55] <bubba> haha
[05:55] <bubba> not asking for much :)
[05:55] <Golfer> nope i guess not
[05:57] <bubba> if anyone has an idea i'm open
[05:58] <cthulfuego> Oh great. There's no 'mono' for x86-64?
[05:58] <bubba> hmm interesting
[05:59] <bubba> if i set the mono and the pcm-2 all the way up
[05:59] <bubba> and then go to expert in xine
[05:59] <bubba> and change it to oss
[05:59] <bubba> it works fine
[06:00] <stuNNed> oss-emu, tis ok
[06:00] <cthulfuego> bubba: The gnome slider works via the sound server. It won't have any effect if your app uses /dev/dsp directly.
[06:00] <bubba> oh thats good to know
[06:00] <bubba> so no way to fix that?
[06:00] <bubba> sorry still a noob
[06:01] <stuNNed> hi salti
[06:02] <salti> hi
[06:02] <compmanio36> augh.......FINALLY got GKrellm working on Ubuntu
[06:02] <Xappe> gah, now it's 6 am here
[06:03] <regeya> congratulations compmanio36
[06:03] <compmanio36> LOL.......I installed it using Synaptic, then it........wasn't running.......was like, huh?
[06:03] <randabis> gkrellmd
[06:03] <compmanio36> had to go up and run "gkrellm &"
[06:03] <compmanio36> gkrellmd actually wouldn't work either
[06:04] <randabis> hah
[06:04] <compmanio36> and got the PSF plugin for XMMS done 2night
[06:04] <compmanio36> then got gkrellm to start at login too
[06:06] <compmanio36> only thing I can't get working that I REALLY want working is midi playback
[06:06] <salti> i'm new to ubuntu and so far i really like it, do you mind if i ask some questions?
[06:07] <compmanio36> don't know how much help I can be but shoot
[06:07] <salti> what is hald?
[06:07] <compmanio36> hald?
[06:07] <bascule> hardware abstraction layer daemon
[06:07] <salti> i try to open my device manager and it says to make sure hald is running
[06:07] <compmanio36> damn
[06:08] <compmanio36> beat me to it ;)
[06:08] <bascule> heh
[06:08] <calamari> is there a way to get a list of installed packages that no toher packages depend on (including file dependencies)?
[06:08] <calamari> toher => other
[06:08] <Coily> do i need to know the user/root pw for a mounted ext3 partition, so that i can read the partition?
[06:08] <heliolith> Does anyone think that HOary would be a better bet to try and install on a Dell Inspiron 8100?  I've heard reports of lots of glitches with Warty
[06:08] <bascule> no, depends how it's mounted really, but no
[06:08] <compmanio36> guess that would depend on the permissions set on that drive
[06:09] <calamari> alternately, is there a way for find out what a package depends on and what a package provides?
[06:10] <compmanio36> the package dependencies come up when you mark it for installation and in the details tab
[06:10] <Coily> bascule the reason i ask is because my user pw wont open synaptic/others on my screwed install
[06:10] <calamari> compmanio36: I'm thinking along the lines of writing a script
[06:10] <speel> hey sup i have a Q , when hoary finally comes out will we be able to upgrade via apt-get?
[06:10] <heliolith> For some reason Warty Live loads fine on my Dell laptop, but the install disk just Stalls out within the first 3 minutes of loading )=
[06:10] <bubba> dang this is starting to get annoying not even flash media is one slider if i want to kill all sound i have to lower pcm-2 and then master mono :( what gives haha
[06:10] <calamari> it would be neat to get a list of packages I don't need on the syste,
[06:10] <heliolith> Thee's no way to install the core system off the LiveCD  is there?
[06:11] <randabis> no
[06:11] <randabis> I think you can with gnoppix though
[06:11] <bascule> Coily, ah, the problems arise ...
[06:11] <compmanio36> speel, I think it is still apt-get, but I am not sure
[06:11] <Coily> heh ='[
[06:11] <speel> hmm ok ty
[06:11] <jba> jdub, was gonna tell you that the docs for the DSDT stuff were in "man mkinitrd", but looks like I didn't get it to work properly
[06:11] <compmanio36> just a new fron-end GUI
[06:12] <jba> might be a permissions thing
[06:12] <heliolith> randabis gnoppix to install Ubuntu or Gnopix to install itself?
[06:12] <randabis> well gnoppix is based on ubuntu I thought
[06:12] <dr_willis> Hmm
[06:12] <randabis> but why not just use a hoary snapshot cd or array 4
[06:12] <compmanio36> so does anyone know how to get midi playback on here?  I even looked in the Debian packages that are out and there is notta that I have found to get it working
[06:12] <dr_willis> I thohg gnoppix was a variant of knoppix. which is a live-cd varient of Debian.
[06:13] <dr_willis> of coruse Knoppix is getting soo advanced. its amazeing.
[06:13] <compmanio36> I just got Knoppix 3.6 burned..........used to have 3.2
[06:13] <randabis> dr_willis, it was, but now the gnoppix guys are working with the ubuntu devs
[06:13] <Coily> bascule but at least i can create folders w/o root nautilus!
[06:13] <dr_willis> randabis,  cool. :P
[06:13] <dr_willis> ubuntu guys seem to favor gnome   Heh heh.
[06:13] <bascule> Coily, oh, not a compensation really .. :P
[06:13] <compmanio36> eh, I like Ubuntu cause I don't have to deal with KDE.....think Gnome is a LOT more polished
[06:13] <jba> jbailey, do i need to chmod the DSDT file at all? or give it an .aml extension?
[06:14] <randabis> nothin' wrong with likin' gnome
[06:14] <randabis> I have both gnome and kde on here heh and fluxbox and xfce
[06:14] <dr_willis> I perfer kde myself.
[06:14] <randabis> I use xfce the most
[06:14] <dr_willis> set the wife up to use gnome.
[06:14] <dr_willis> tend to use WindowMaker over vnc. a lot.
[06:14] <HaloGray> I like xfce but haven't learned it well enough to prefer it
[06:14] <dr_willis> when you normally just log in and run 2 apps 90% of the time.  i could make due with twm.
[06:14] <randabis> vino is good for vnc too
[06:15] <dr_willis> not seen 'vino' :P time to google.
[06:15] <randabis> vino is standard in gnome
[06:15] <randabis> you can run it in kde and others too though iirc
[06:15] <jbailey> jba: No, the file should be exactly /etc/mkinitrd/DSDT (This is also in the man page now).  Because mkinitrd is run as root, there's no permiissions issues.
[06:16] <salti> thanks bascule
[06:16] <jba> jbailey, hmm, do i need to recompile the file then?
[06:17] <jbailey> jba: recompile?
[06:17] <jbailey> Sorry, I don't know what you mean.
[06:18] <jbailey> My laptop has good dsdt support, so I tested it by pulling the file out of /proc/acpi/dsdt and having it take that exact file and use it.
[06:18] <bascule> np
[06:18] <jba> I upgraded initrd-tools, and did cp DSDT.aml /etc/mkinitrd/DSDT, but am getting DSDT Table not found from dmesg
[06:18] <jbailey> Oh, I see.  Yes, you need to regenerate the initrd.
[06:18] <jbailey> Assuming you're on 2.6.10-3-686, you would do:
[06:19] <jbailey> sudo mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-3-686 2.6.10-3-686
[06:19] <salti> how do i get hald running? i found it somewhere else and it said it was sleeping and now i can't remember where it was
[06:19] <jba> aah cool
[06:19] <jba> i haven't upgraded kernel yet
[06:19] <compmanio36> in the system monitor?
[06:19] <jbailey> jba: That's done automatically for you when you do kernel upgrades.
[06:19] <jba> don't want to drain office bandwidth
[06:19] <jbailey> jba: So if you update the kernel, it'll pick it up automatically.
[06:19] <jba> cool thanks dude
[06:20] <jba> I'll likely run it manually for now, and update it automaitcally at home
[06:20] <jbailey> jba: I'll be here for a few minutes still if you want to test it now.
[06:20] <jba> testing now dude
[06:20] <jba> by manually mkinitrd
[06:21] <salti> that's where it was! the system monitor says that hald is sleeping
[06:22] <jba> jbailey, it's complaining that the first argument (the initrd image) is not a directory
[06:22] <jbailey> When running mkinitrd, or when booting?
[06:22] <compmanio36> hmm weird
[06:22] <jba> typo by me sorry
[06:22] <compmanio36> evolution is not pulling my email off of comcast's server
[06:22] <jba> one sec
[06:23] <jba> rebooting
[06:23] <jba> obviously i'm not actually on that machine from in here
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> nite
[06:24] <compmanio36> forget it, I'm downloading Thunderboird
[06:24] <compmanio36> -bird
[06:24] <stuNNed> lol
[06:24] <cthulfuego> compmanio36: Be glag evolution is running at all. *grunt*
[06:24] <cthulfuego> glad, too
[06:25] <compmanio36> LOL
[06:25] <inc> sup room
[06:25] <compmanio36> sup inc
[06:25] <stuNNed> hi inc
[06:25] <salti> hi inc
[06:25] <cthulfuego> Coz mine says "Floating point error"
[06:25] <jba> jbailey, thumbs up dude, you rock!!
[06:25] <compmanio36> hmm
[06:25] <bubba> so is there no way to make the master control for sound work on ubuntu?
[06:25] <inc> nice greeting
[06:25] <inc> heh
[06:25] <compmanio36> think I am going to have to restart the x server here
[06:25] <jba> jbailey, it works just as if I had cat'ed the file to the end of the initrd image myself :)
[06:26] <inc> bubba still having sound issues?
[06:26] <Locutus1976> How does one disable and re-enable GDM?
[06:26] <bubba> yeah man pcm-2 controls subwoofer and all on lappy
[06:26] <bubba> mono mater controls front speakers
[06:26] <bubba> i guess there isn't a master to kill all sound
[06:26] <inc> locutus1976: try killing the pid
[06:26] <mousse> #linux
[06:26] <mousse> :D
[06:27] <bubba> cause if thats the case the the volume slider is pointless
[06:27] <bubba> and what exactly does alsa-utils do
[06:27] <bubba> i installed it but see n othing to use from it
[06:28] <cthulfuego> arrrgh
[06:28] <Locutus1976> inc: How can I tell ubuntu to start gdm again? I had it pointing to kdm before (foolish mistake).
[06:28] <inc> someones pissed
[06:28] <Dreamer3> Locutus1976: /etc/init.d/gdm start?
[06:28] <jbailey> jba: Yay!  I'm glad it works.
[06:29] <bubba> do you just type alsa-utils or alsaconf or what?
[06:29] <Dreamer3> bubba: dpkg -L alsa-utils | grep bin
[06:29] <jba> jbailey, Not as much as I am. this is awesome
[06:30] <cryptomatt> i tried searching for this issue before but couldnt get anything.. i am using hoary and in nautilus when i type applications:/// it says "is not a valid location" this used to work before
[06:31] <Dreamer3> cryptomatt: you can't currently edit applications menu in hoary
[06:31] <compmanio36> there we go......thunderbird rox ;)
[06:31] <Dreamer3> cryptomatt: they're in the middle of transitions to the new freedesktop standard
[06:31] <stuNNed> thunderbird is nice, use mutt here :\
[06:31] <Dreamer3> cryptomatt: so you'll just have to love it how it is
[06:31] <bubba> ok i see that showed me what it had and all still doen't fix my problem sound test works and all strange like i say looks like master would actually be what it stats a master slider :(
[06:31] <compmanio36> well, since evolution wouldnt pull my messages off of the server, it is my best option at this point
[06:32] <cryptomatt> Dreamer3: oh ok.. didnt know that... :) thanks for the info
[06:32] <inc> my sound test doesn't work
[06:32] <Dreamer3> i need to get my e-mail working
[06:32] <inc> try thunderbird?
[06:33] <Dreamer3> no, i'm picky
[06:33] <Dreamer3> i want them downloaded and delivered into an imap mailbox for me automatically
[06:33] <Dreamer3> i just haven't gotten around to make getmail and cyrus work together yet
[06:33] <inc> isn't that what it does?
[06:34] <Dreamer3> inc: i want it to work without an e-mail client :)
[06:34] <inc> that the mail server u are running?
[06:34] <Dreamer3> inc: i only want to use the client after i've "checked" mail :)
[06:34] <inc> ???
[06:34] <Dreamer3> cyrus is the imap server ih ave locally, yes
[06:34] <inc> i use courier-imap.. works great
[06:35] <Dreamer3> inc: i think that's what i used before, not fast enough for me
[06:35] <inc> postfix and courier-pop and imap...
[06:35] <inc> how fast do u need it? lol the mail is there before i can blink my eyes
[06:36] <grelli> is there a way to prevent sata_sil from being loaded, and force siimage instead?
[06:36] <Dreamer3> inc: i have a lot of mail in different folders and move then around a lot and courier has always felt slow
[06:37] <inc> hmmm you use the maildir format?
[06:37] <inc> or mbox
[06:37] <Dreamer3> inc: well, maildir, but cyrus uses it's own format
[06:38] <Dreamer3> inc: which makes it all more complicated :)
[06:39] <inc> never got cyrus to work... but i had my friend spam my current setup... hit my it hard and it kept up fine
[06:41] <HaloGray> I have an issue with a driver and modprobe
[06:41] <Dreamer3> inc: well i already have cyrus working :) followed the readme.simple file... it's just getting getmail to dowlnoad from pop3 and delivery automaticlaly to imap now :)
[06:41] <grelli> or maybe sata_sil isn't causing the problem and I'm just really really blind
[06:41] <HaloGray> I insmod the driver, but when I type modprobe it says driver not found
[06:41] <HaloGray> do I need to copy the .ko file someplace?
[06:42] <inc> thats what i don't under stand why does i map need to use pop?
[06:42] <FAST> hey how  do you type that middle finger emoticon
[06:42] <FAST> ?
[06:42] <grelli> .|.. ?
   something like that
[06:43] <FAST> but better
[06:43] <grelli> then I've got nothin
[06:43] <FAST> :'(
[06:43] <inc> =op
[06:43] <compmanio36> this pisses me off.......how could a distro not have something so simple as a midi player?!
[06:44] <inc> midi eww...
[06:44] <inc> i'm still working on sound so gettign midi to work would be a step forward i geuss lol
[06:46] <sig_ubuntu> compmanio36: lol
[06:48] <bubba> ok since sound doesn't like me all that great lets try this why is it that ogle show black when i play a dvd? i hear the sound but no video
[06:48] <stuNNed> BiteMeBill: lol funny nick
[06:54] <maximaus> anyone ever configured a 56K modem with the live CD?
[06:55] <froust> perl: warning: setting locale failed
[06:55] <froust> what does that mean?
[06:58] <heliolith> hoary has the 2.6 kernel?
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> warty too
[06:59] <heliolith> From what I'm finding my Inspiron 8100 may never run ubuntu )= funny that it runs the liveCD perfectly, but the install crashes within 2 minutes
[06:59] <BiteMeBill> stuNNed: Well what can I say...  Thats the way I feel.  LOL  sorry it took so long to reply
[06:59] <goldfish_> heliolith: what happends?
[06:59] <goldfish_> Does x start up?
[07:00] <heliolith> the basic screens just lag out and the keyboard doesn't provide any feedback
[07:00] <goldfish_> heliolith: Does everything boot up fine? And then it lags out when it tries to start x ?
[07:01] <heliolith> goldfish: in livecd no problems... with the install i get as far as "United States" (the 3rd config option?) and then no further
[07:01] <froust> Can anyone help me out with a weird error I'm getting?
[07:01] <goldfish_> ah right
[07:01] <sig_ubuntu> If I download lets say "quanta" and it gets all the libs etc that it needs... if I want to remove it via apt-get --purge remove quanta  will that also remove all the libs etc that it had to get for that package?
[07:01] <goldfish_> Live cd was fine for me and I had trouble starting in gui with the install cd
[07:02] <heliolith> goldfish: but I have another desktop that I configured today, an older desktop that boots up and fails to load X, just like you're saying I get the basic bash prompt, a basic shell, no gnome...
[07:02] <froust> I'm getting a perl: warning: setting locale failed
[07:02] <froust> anyone know how i can correct this?
[07:03] <goldfish_> heliolith: yeah, I had to do a dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86, on my maching at a bash prompt to get a gui running
[07:04] <crimsun> froust: export LANG=C LC_ALL=C
[07:04] <goldfish_> *machine
[07:04] <crimsun> froust: I suspect you're getting that warning on a{n} dist-upgrade?
[07:04] <froust> no, just installing a package.
[07:04] <crimsun> froust: which?
[07:04] <froust> bittorrent
[07:05] <crimsun> in hoary?
[07:05] <froust> yeah
[07:05] <randabis> azureus is sexy
[07:05] <randabis> :p
[07:05] <crimsun> froust: 3.4.2-3ubuntu3 seemed to upgrade just fine
[07:06] <froust> i just instored the ubuntu supported one... what's so great about azureus?
[07:06] <goldfish_> azureus it the best torrent client i have used
[07:06] <crimsun> froust: nice ui
[07:06] <froust> can i apt-get it?
[07:06] <crimsun> though "better" is subjective
[07:06] <randabis> no
[07:06] <randabis> I just said it was sexy, not better :p
[07:06] <goldfish_> but on windows it was a cpu hog, i havent tried it on ubuntu yet, does it hog thee cpu on ubuntu?
[07:07] <crimsun> randabis: in reference to goldfish_'s "best" :p
[07:07] <randabis> I'm running 2 torrents...system load is 9%
[07:07] <goldfish_> randabis: cool, i must install it.
[07:07] <randabis> that's with xchat, galeon, gaim, xmms, and thunderbird running
[07:07] <R0bNyc> I just finish installing HOary and it shows on the bottom 13 updates available, it asked me for the password and i typed it and it says its wrong
[07:07] <crimsun> you'll want jre/jdk 1.5.0_01, though
[07:07] <goldfish_> crimsun: I just prefer it, nice ui, I dunno just my opinion :)
[07:07] <randabis> yeah you need java for it
[07:07] <crimsun> goldfish_: certainly a valid opinion (I happen to concur)
[07:08] <goldfish_> :)
[07:08] <R0bNyc> RuffianSoldier, I'm running your fav distro
[07:09] <randabis> I'm gonna install gentoo again I think hehe
[07:09] <froust> so azureus = java?
[07:09] <randabis> yes
[07:09] <randabis> dual booted with ubuntu of course
[07:09] <randabis> can't break my marriage
[07:09] <froust> so i'd need to uncomment my java repository and install it that way?
[07:09] <Crane> hello
[07:10] <crimsun> 'lo
[07:10] <froust> the ubuntu supported one is pretty nice
[07:10] <crimsun> froust: if you're referring to blackdown, sure, that would work.
[07:10] <munkee> mako: what happened to the statistics at the beginning of ubuntu traffic?
[07:11] <froust> i'm not sure... it just said "bittorent client"
[07:11] <randabis> froust, I used sun's binary package to install java so I dunno
[07:11] <R0bNyc> When I run aptitude update (apt-get update) these 2 lines show is this normal
[07:11] <R0bNyc> Ign cdrom://Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Alpha i386 Binary-1 (20050204) unstable Release.gpg
[07:11] <R0bNyc> Ign cdrom://Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Alpha i386 Binary-1 (20050204) unstable Release
[07:12] <froust> my next question would be what is the easiest way to burn an iso?
[07:12] <mako> munkee: i just forgot them this week.. i'll go add them again :)
[07:12] <An00b15> do we have a ut2004demo package?
[07:13] <maximaus> froust: right click on ISO and choose "burn". :P
[07:13] <froust> LOL
[07:13] <froust> are you serious?
[07:13] <maximaus> :D
[07:13] <maximaus> absolutely
[07:13] <froust> damn.
[07:14] <maximaus> cool isn't it?
[07:14] <froust> my last experience with linux before this was mandrake kernel panicking on me during the install
[07:14] <maximaus> that stinks--I like mandrake a lot, though it can have issues like French cars...
[07:15] <froust> this was years ago
[07:15] <froust> like... 6 7 years ago?
[07:15] <maximaus> wow
[07:16] <maximaus> I tried it about three years ago and was impressed, used it for a while and went to fedora then Ubuntu. I started in the kiddie pool with Suse 5 years ago.
[07:16] <maximaus> One night that damn talking paperclip freaked me out so I erased windows.
[07:16] <regeya> or...hm...it may have been introduced 7 years ago, if '98 was the year that RH pulled the plug on KDE
[07:17] <maximaus> regeya, that sounds very right.
[07:17] <regeya> first release was a fairly stock redhat (packages compiled for 586, w00t) + kde
[07:17] <Dreamer3> ok, what is a cheap multi-head card to go with these days?
[07:18] <regeya> kde back then was a bit like gnome is now; if they hadn't gone chasing the old gnome's tail, they'd have a bulletproof desktop by now
[07:18] <froust> maximaus: lol
[07:18] <randabis> hah
[07:18] <froust> i'm still attached to windows for games
[07:18] <LarryT-ubuntu> morning all :)
[07:19] <goldfish_> hi
[07:19] <froust> crimsun: i'm still getting the locale erro
[07:20] <LarryT-ubuntu> i met some problem with by customizing hoary live cd ... umount mnt
[07:20] <LarryT-ubuntu> the system answer device is busy :(
[07:20] <LarryT-ubuntu> but i have umounted all :(
[07:20] <crimsun> froust: it's only a warning
[07:21] <regeya> seriously!  most of the suckitude in kde nowadays is due to half-hearted attempts at doing things that GNOMErs had attempted first.  if they'd just ignored things like rasterman's early gtk theming and stuck to making a decent interface, they'd probably have a decent system now.  well, and not chasing windows's tail.  it's a great desktop system, but barely usable these days (imho)
[07:21] <LarryT-ubuntu> does anyone knows something about that ?
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[07:21] <regeya> lsof /dev/whatever
[07:21] <chromate> is the ubuntu install a graphical one?
[07:21] <froust> crimsun: i know, but i'm just wondering how i can remedy it
[07:22] <LarryT-ubuntu> chromate : talking to me :) ?
[07:22] <regeya> chromate, no, but you won't miss it.  it's much simpler than you'd think.
[07:22] <chromate> LarryT-ubuntu: to anyone =)
[07:22] <Crane> hiya again
[07:22] <chromate> i've been a gentoo user for a couple years, just thinking about checking out ubuntu
[07:22] <chromate> is the install similar to debian?
[07:23] <LarryT-ubuntu> dunno
[07:23] <regeya> chromate, yes, and several of those GNOMEish things that Gentooers work toward Just Work(TM)
[07:23] <LarryT-ubuntu> here is the like i use :
[07:23] <Crane> chromate, yes
[07:23] <mjr> chromate, similar to debian sarge, but more streamlined
[07:23] <Crane> a little easier
[07:23] <chromate> will it Just Work =)
[07:23] <randabis> depends on your hardware
[07:24] <chromate> i've had a lot of problems with binary based installs in the past, mainly because recompiling a kernel is usually a pain in the butt... i have some modules i need enabled
[07:24] <randabis> if you have newer stuff you might wanna try installing Hoary instead of Warty
[07:24] <regeya> chromate, what randabis said; remember, the same is true of anything, even off-the-shelf Windows :-)
[07:24] <regeya> the PC world is a godawful mess, and it's a wonder that anything works as well as it does ;-)
[07:24] <randabis> chromate, your modules might already be included in restricted-modules
[07:24] <chromate> randabis: is there a place i can look this up?
[07:25] <chromate> regeya: good point.
[07:25] <BiteMeBill> What foul language
[07:25] <LarryT-ubuntu> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo
[07:25] <randabis> www.ubuntulinux.org might have some info
[07:25] <randabis> also, I have a quick package search link I can give ya
[07:25] <regeya> BiteMeBill, if you'r ereferring to me, my apologies
[07:25] <chromate> someone mentioned hoary as opposed to warty. the mirrors i saw only had warty torrents
[07:25] <randabis> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[07:25] <regeya> wait...BiteMeBill...
[07:25] <regeya> what am I apologizing for?
[07:25] <BiteMeBill> regeya: Thought I seen that W word.  LOL
[07:26] <Crane> lol
[07:26] <regeya> BiteMeBill, just pointing out that not even Windows works on everything out of the box...they've not had THAT sort of penetration yet...
[07:26] <randabis> chromate, well typically hoary isos are downloaded from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary
[07:26] <regeya> imagine if MS managed to control the hardware world to the point that new ideas never surfaced until the next major Windows release...*shudder*
[07:26] <BiteMeBill> regeya: There you go with that word again..  LOL
[07:27] <BiteMeBill> regeya: No doubt.
[07:27] <regeya> to a certain extent we owe MS a lot.  Most computers are one hardware platform, messy though it may be.
[07:27] <froust> anyone know how i can fix my locale warnings?
[07:28] <crimsun> froust: you should export those env vars
[07:28] <regeya> also, the mere fact that people consider Windows to be *expensive* these days, when the *low cost* was its main selling point years ago...I wonder if Linux would exist, and be as common as it is, without MS's meddling
[07:28] <froust> crimsun: i did
[07:28] <regeya> but I'm getting off-target...sorry
[07:29] <BiteMeBill> regeya: too a point..  IBM gave them something to work from after he stole the software.
[07:29] <regeya> heh, too true
[07:29] <crimsun> froust: are you using sudo apt.. or sudo -s ?
[07:29] <froust> i was using synaptic
[07:29] <regeya> I guess we'd be touting Linux as an alternative to OS/2
[07:29] <BiteMeBill> LMAO
[07:29] <regeya> :>
[07:30] <chromate> i'm assuming that the difference between hoary and warty is big enough to warrant waiting for hoary to download rather than burning the warty iso i already have?
[07:30] <Crane> hoary is still in development though
[07:30] <froust> "warning: please check that your locale settings.... are supported and installed on your system
[07:31] <crimsun> froust: and what happens when you use apt-get or aptitude?
[07:31] <froust> i'll try.
[07:31] <froust> same thing
[07:32] <crimsun> with sudo or sudo -s?
[07:32] <froust> want me to send it to pastebin?
[07:32] <froust> sudo
[07:32] <froust> what's the difference?
[07:32] <crimsun> the "-s" ;)
[07:32] <regeya> "Linux:  At least it's not Warped!"
[07:32] <froust> LOL
[07:32] <crimsun> froust: man page will tell you.
[07:32] <crimsun> (well, man sudo)
[07:32] <BiteMeBill> froust: sudo apt-get install locales
[07:32] <froust> man pages give me the error too
[07:33] <crimsun> froust: paste the contents of /etc/locale.gen to pastebin
[07:33] <froust>  locales: Depends: glibc-2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu6 but it is not installable
[07:33] <froust> that's what i get from installing locales
[07:33] <daniels> froust: yes, it's because glibc failed to build on i3865
[07:33] <crimsun> err...
[07:33] <daniels> i386, even
[07:33] <daniels> i'm sure it will be fixed reasonably soon
[07:33] <randabis> chromate, depends on how bleeding edge you want to be
[07:34] <froust> so don't worry about it then?
[07:34] <maximaus> before I turn in I just want to pimp the Beatrix live CD (based on Ubuntu), I'm using it now on vacation and it's a dream.
[07:34] <chromate> randabis: i dunno, gnome 2.8, xorg, the usual?
[07:34] <BiteMeBill> maximaus: You Pimpdaddy you!
[07:34] <randabis> chromate, gnome 2.10 beta 1, x.org 6.8.1, tons of other new packages in hoary
[07:34] <mpq> my laptop's touchpad is too sensitive and the mouse settings don't help
[07:34] <steve_> anybody here good with wine and setting it up. I am getting an error message
[07:35] <froust> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/240027
[07:35] <randabis> warty = gnome 2.8, xfree86 4.3.0, old packages
[07:35] <crimsun> odd, I seem to have 6 installed
[07:35] <chromate> ah. i see. hoary for me then.
[07:35] <randabis> :)
[07:35] <froust> daniels: thanks
[07:35] <randabis> I have hoary going swell on 3 systems
[07:35] <maximaus> steve, I run crossover office w/ Ubuntu and it works great. I , erm, borrowed it from a "friend".
[07:36] <steve_> crossover, where can I get this
[07:36] <steve_> I am getting some sort of tcl error
[07:36] <steve_> with wine
[07:36] <maximaus> I'm running a pirated copy just to check out, I may buy it this week...it's super easy to configure with a gui.
[07:37] <steve_> it says invalid command name "f_scrf_location"
[07:37] <steve_> whatever that means
[07:38] <randabis> hmm
[07:38] <randabis> pondering whether I should go ahead and plunge into gentoo right now or wait until tomorrow...
[07:39] <maximaus> gentoo: http://funroll-loops.org/
[07:39] <maximaus> :P
[07:39] <BiteMeBill> LOL
[07:39] <froust> brb
[07:40] <steve_> does anyone have any idea about my wine error
[07:40] <maximaus> steve_:  sorry no ideas here. What are you trying to run?
[07:41] <Houligan> I have a question.  Im new to Linux, I want to install Ubuntu onto a partition I made, but when the installation asks for which storage system to use, the NTFS that is defaulted for windows is not available, Which should I choose
[07:41] <steve_> I have a dvd ripper I want to use
[07:41] <steve_> dvd shrink
[07:41] <compmanio36> I want to find more radio stations for Rhythmbox.....how would I go about that?
[07:42] <BiteMeBill> Houligan: is it only showing hda1?
[07:42] <maximaus> steve, have you tried a linux ripper like dvd::rip? http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/
[07:43] <Houligan> I only have 1 hard drive, and I partitioned off 5 gigs to install onto
[07:43] <steve_> I dont think so
[07:43] <steve_> this one actually compresses the video i believe
[07:43] <BiteMeBill> Houligan: So it should show hda1 and hda2
[07:43] <Houligan> It lets me select the partition, and it askes which file storage system to use eg. FAT16, FAT 32...etc
[07:43] <steve_> does dvdrip do that
[07:43] <Houligan> yes it does
[07:43] <dejavu> does anyone knows from i can downlaod  linux games ?  i mean 3dgames .. not like nibbles and shit!
[07:43] <steve_> cool
[07:44] <BiteMeBill> Ext2?
[07:44] <steve_> is it a apt-get app
[07:44] <Houligan> I just don't know which system to use
[07:44] <Houligan> EXT2
[07:44] <Houligan> ok
[07:44] <dejavu> does anyone knows from i can downlaod  linux games ?  i mean 3dgames .. not like nibbles and shit!
[07:45] <maximaus> steve_:  dunno, but a google should help. Perhaps adding the marillat repository would help
[07:45] <BiteMeBill> Houligan: after you get it installed check out the guide to set it up so you can see your windows files, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[07:45] <maximaus> dejavu: enable Synaptic's universe and you'll find some cool games.
[07:45] <randabis-laptop> haha
[07:45] <Houligan> thanks
[07:45] <steve_> I have that, I just did a apt-get and it has a dep that it says it will not install for some reason
[07:45] <randabis-laptop> cube is a pretty neat fps
[07:45] <maximaus> :/
[07:45] <randabis-laptop> multiplayer
[07:46] <dejavu> maximus : im using synaptic right now to install libraries and stuff .. can i find games from that ?
[07:47] <dejavu> maximus : im using synaptic right now to install libraries and stuff .. can i find games from that ?
[07:47] <maximaus> dejavu: sure, just browse by "sections" and have a look. I like simple stuff like GLtron and Foobillard, but my gx card is a crappy on board. LOL
[07:50] <dejavu> maximus: i want to view java applets on the browser ... my firefox dosent let me since it lacks java .. what i need to download ?
[07:50] <BiteMeBill> dejavu: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre-mozilla
[07:51] <El_Cris> hey ppl
[07:51] <maximaus> what BiteMeBill said...  :D
[07:52] <dejavu> thanks :)
[07:52] <El_Cris> am I just blind or is there no kde available yet on the ubuntu-archive?
[07:52] <BiteMeBill> YW
[07:52] <El_Cris> # apt-cache search kde ... shows nothing useful :)
[07:52] <meuwe> everybody, i have a problem with my computer, if i boot an error displayed "error waiting for dma" what did happen..??
[07:53] <thully> El-Cris - you have to add the "universe" repository to your sources.list - just uncomment it or check it in Synaptic
[07:53] <maximaus> El_Cris:  Enable "Universe" in Synaptic and you'll find KDE.
[07:53] <maximaus> jinx
[07:54] <El_Cris> maximaus, thx
[07:54] <Coily> whats the command for viewing what format my partition is
[07:55] <Coily> no one?
[07:56] <maximaus> it's probably ext3...
[07:56] <chromate> you can use fdisk/cfdisk to see the file format of your partiotions
[07:56] <chromate> this is probably kind of silly, but the only reason i'm trying ubuntu is because i like the front page of the website =)
[07:57] <Coily> good enough
[07:58] <maximaus> ...if it's a linux partition
[07:59] <steve_> Maximus, I tried going to the link for dvd rip and it requires alot of stuff for that app to work. apt-get will not longer download that program
[07:59] <Coily> fdisk only says linux and cfdisk only shows my master HD
[08:00] <dejavu> has anyone used MS Visual Basic for programmin ? if yes then is there any software in linux that is similar as VBasic ?
[08:00] <FAST> if you're interested in programming, vb is the wrong place to begin
[08:00] <BiteMeBill> Coily: Both are showing both here.
[08:01] <maximaus> :(
[08:01] <dejavu> FAST: i just need something similar to it .. that can make linux softwares really fast to make !
[08:01] <siimo> dejavu: no VB on linux but if you have done C# then you can try that with mono
[08:01] <maximaus> sorry I'm no guru
[08:01] <dejavu> i only know c++ ... am a bit good at it !
[08:02] <siimo> well kernel is written in C
[08:02] <dejavu> siimo: but how do i make interfaces ?
[08:02] <LucidVisions> you can do vb.net under mono
[08:02] <El_Cris> [advertising]  www.python.org [/advertising]   .... no, im not programming in python (yet)
[08:02] <siimo> dejavu: monodevelop tries to clone .Net
[08:02] <siimo> try it
[08:03] <siimo> dejavu: or if you want to use C or python or whatever to write GTK2/gnome apps try glade
[08:03] <siimo> for UI
[08:03] <dejavu> where can i get it from ?  any official website ?
[08:03] <siimo> apt-get it
[08:03] <dejavu> okie dokie
[08:03] <siimo> www.monodevelop.com
[08:03] <meuwe> eveybody , any body help me..??
[08:04] <Coily> wait... i got it :p
[08:04] <yokomo_> that's what she said
[08:04] <yokomo_> ha!
[08:04] <yokomo_> oh, I am so good
[08:05] <LucidVisions> monodevelop is the best linux IDE for mono, and here is the best guide, http://www.gotmono.com/docs/
[08:05] <Coily> where are the dns hosts located?
[08:05] <LucidVisions> hands down, the mono handbook online is the ultimate pimpage
[08:05] <LucidVisions> http://www.gotmono.com/docs/
[08:06] <El_Cris> dejavu: just if you're interested ... this is a link a/the python beginners guide: http://www.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide
[08:06] <El_Cris> a/ = to  // it's 8:06 over here
[08:07] <LucidVisions> gtk#,gnome#,glade#,c#, that is the future of linux development,
[08:07] <goldfish_> gtk#,gnome#,glade#,c#, that is the future of linux
[08:07] <LucidVisions> python is old cheese
[08:07] <goldfish_> shit
[08:07] <goldfish_> bloody right click
[08:07] <LucidVisions> lol
[08:07] <goldfish_> :)
[08:07] <El_Cris> old cheese tastes good :)
[08:08] <LucidVisions> hehe
[08:08] <FAST> big loaf of round bread + insert brie into center + pour honey all over cheese, cover with cut bread top, bake in oven. serve in slices
[08:09] <chromate> i like the partitioner in the install
[08:09] <dejavu> El_cris: not interested in Python but thanks anyway :)
[08:09] <LucidVisions> EL_Cris: python is a great language also though, but it seems too slow
[08:09] <Coily> has anyone figured out why the search for files app doesnt always work
[08:10] <FAST> coily> click the "show more options" arrow, and use that box to search
[08:10] <Dreamer31> ok anyone here every use crydeliver?
[08:10] <El_Cris> LucidVisions: my tip wasnt intented for system or game programming hehe
[08:10] <LucidVisions> EL_Cris: ahh, i see then
[08:10] <LucidVisions> cool
[08:11] <LucidVisions> FAST, but mono can compile java,
[08:11] <LucidVisions> and its faster
[08:11] <El_Cris> LucidVisions: I thought about Basic (I don't know VB) and Python would be an alternative then
[08:11] <FAST> i was just saying i like java
[08:12] <LucidVisions> FAST: Ahh,
[08:12] <siimo> FAST: try java-gnome if you want to contribute to linux with java :)
[08:12] <BiteMeBill> <--  Doesn't think java and sliced bread go well together.
[08:12] <LucidVisions> Ive had one too many of my homebrew hampf beers,lol Ill focus
[08:13] <FAST> hehe
[08:13] <LucidVisions> java-gnome, wow, ive never heard of it,sounds cool
[08:13] <El_Cris> who had holidays on the island java yet? any geeks here? :)
[08:14] <LucidVisions> is the island of java close to sumatra,ouch
[08:15] <daniels> LucidVisions: yes, the island of java is right next to sumatra, only separated by a tiny body of water.
[08:15] <daniels> (java is to the south-east)
[08:15] <BiteMeBill> siimo: since you brought it up.  How would a noob contribute to the projects?
[08:16] <Coily> FAST nope still didnt find a file i know exists
[08:16] <LucidVisions> daniels: cool, i guess im more focused that i though toinght
[08:16] <LucidVisions> lol
[08:16] <BiteMeBill> Coily: what package are you looking for?
[08:17] <Coily> its not a pkg its resolve.conf
[08:17] <lunitik> Coily: /etc/resolv.conf
[08:17] <Coily> i know its in /etc but search didnt find ir
[08:17] <lunitik> no e
[08:17] <Coily> it
[08:18] <Coily> i was also looking for any copies of the file
[08:18] <LarryT-ubuntu> could someone give me some help about my umount problem (remastering cd live) please ?
[08:19] <Coily> i remember the install telling me to run the script slocate (this may be unrelated... but still), anyone know why this happens?
[08:19] <Dreamer31> how do i tell my logged in session to update what groups i belong to?
[08:19] <siimo> BiteMeBill: well im a newbie myself.. im playing around with making little programs for GTK2 havent done much yet
[08:20] <siimo> BiteMeBill: is there a specific project you want to contribute too you may want to sigh up for their mailing list or forums talk to developers
[08:20] <BiteMeBill> siimo: Yea I know the feeling.
[08:21] <Coily> has anyone gotten downloadwith to work with their video player
[08:21] <BiteMeBill> siimo: Not really one thing more of the feeling of needing to give back since they broke me away from the evil bill
[08:22] <BiteMeBill> <--  Wonders who the real bill was meant to be in the movie "Kill Bill"
[08:22] <siimo> BiteMeBill: theres a whole lot besides programming like confirming bugs in bugzilla or writing documentation
[08:23] <siimo> that you could help with
[08:23] <BiteMeBill> siimo: this is true...  Guess I better start looking into it even more.
[08:23] <Dreamer31> ok, why wouldn't newgrp "just work"?
[08:24] <BiteMeBill> cause they need trained before they know how to work..??..
[08:25] <BiteMeBill> Dreamer31: Sorry couldn't pass it up.
[08:25] <siimo> BiteMeBill: ?
[08:25] <siimo> you contribute what you know
[08:25] <Dreamer31> ok... hmmmmmm
[08:26] <Dreamer31> it can change groups but it's not refresing the groups i'm in
[08:26] <mebaran151> I want Evolution to work
[08:26] <mebaran151> somebody should backport Evolution 2.0 to Hoary
[08:26] <mebaran151> so that we have working email and real contact management
[08:27] <siimo> backport?
[08:27] <mebaran151> well I guess it would be a front port
[08:27] <mebaran151> moving a stable program to the unstable branche
[08:27] <mebaran151> :)
[08:28] <Dreamer31> darn, i know there is a way to do this
[08:28] <mebaran151> anybody want to help me setup a vsftp server
[08:28] <mebaran151> I need it to just do one folder
[08:28] <mebaran151> can I restrict my ftp server to look only in one folder
[08:29] <mebaran151> and like never crawl anywhere else
[08:29] <Coily> has anyone gotten downloadwith to work with their video player
[08:29] <BiteMeBill> mebaran151: I set up proftp and have it working with permissions.
[08:29] <mebaran151> do I have to change every folder
[08:30] <mebaran151> I dont want to chmod ever folder on the disk
[08:30] <mebaran151> to not be readable by anyone but owner
[08:30] <mebaran151> that would seem rather silly
[08:30] <BiteMeBill> mebaran151: I didn't have to.
[08:30] <mebaran151> hmmm
[08:30] <mebaran151> how did you do it then
[08:30] <mebaran151> are these permissions internal within the ftp server
[08:30] <BiteMeBill> Let me see if I can find the page that I used.
[08:30] <mebaran151> so I can set for ftp
[08:30] <mebaran151> everything 000
[08:30] <mebaran151> except for like /home/ftp
[08:31] <mebaran151> or something
[08:31] <mebaran151> I want to serve some stuff to some friends
[08:31] <BiteMeBill> It is with the users permissions.
[08:31] <mebaran151> but I dont like people crawling around my FS
[08:31] <mebaran151> it seems unright
[08:31] <justdave> is excessive configuration requests from xserver-xorg on today's update a known issue?
[08:31] <justdave> (in Hoary)
[08:32] <_4strO> u can create a count tu use with vsftp
[08:32] <_4strO> and put him some rights
[08:32] <_4strO> limited ...
[08:32] <justdave> I got the debconf dialog for it during preinstall, got it again while it was installing the package, and got it again during the post-install configure phase
[08:32] <_4strO> his /home e.g.
[08:32] <mebaran151> justdave, did it kill anything
[08:32] <mebaran151> if it just configured it correctly 3 times
[08:32] <justdave> mebaran151: no, didn't seem to
[08:32] <mebaran151> there might not be much to worry about
[08:32] <mebaran151> I think if it is during preinstall
[08:33] <mebaran151> it is working from a different apt database
[08:33] <mebaran151> as it probalby installed a new apt
[08:33] <justdave> I'm sure there's not much to worry about, but I assume it's only supposed to ask once :)
[08:33] <mebaran151> as it was running it through
[08:33] <mebaran151> so that later on
[08:33] <mebaran151> the new apt
[08:33] <mebaran151> now fully configured and the old apt out of the way
[08:33] <mebaran151> probably felt that the pkg was unconfigured
[08:33] <justdave> yeah, I think there was a new apt today, too.
[08:33] <mebaran151> it probably shouldnt do that
[08:34] <mebaran151> which is why it would do it preinstall (old apt)and after installl (new apt)
[08:34] <mebaran151> seems like a problem that would be hard to fix
[08:34] <mebaran151> or maybe really easy
[08:34] <mebaran151> the middle one is probably just a pkg thing
[08:37] <BiteMeBill> mebaran151: Take a look at this..  http://www.chinalinuxpub.com/doc/www.siliconvalleyccie.com/linux-hn/ftp-server.htm
[08:39] <mebaran151> thanks BiteMeBill
[08:40] <randabis-laptop> hehe I'm installing gentoo from stage 1
[08:40] <BiteMeBill> mebaran151: yw
[08:42] <tkw> Has anyone a working vncserver running on ubuntu 4.10?
[08:42] <wm_eddie> wow....
[08:42] <wm_eddie> my .Trash is 12 GB...
[08:42] <tkw> It seems that my vncserver dies immediately after startup
[08:45] <randabis-laptop> tkw why now just use vino
[08:45] <randabis-laptop> not
[08:54] <mpq> I have a problem
[08:54] <bigbubbanga> anyone happen to know of a program in linux that will both rip a dvd and then allow you to shrink it onto dvd 5? or two programs to do the trick?
[08:54] <mpq> I can't figure out how to install wine
[08:54] <mpq> the directions on the wine website aren't helping
[08:54] <wm_eddie> mpq: apt-get install wine?
[08:55] <mpq> it told me to modify /etc/apt/sources.list but it's a read-only file
[08:55] <Dreamer31> anyone here used cyrdeliver before?
[08:55] <pvh> My monitors used to have a separate screensaver each, but now after booting without the second monitor once, they run one giant fullscreen one. How can I fix it?
[08:55] <bigbubbanga> thats the same as adding it in synaptic
[08:55] <wm_eddie> mpq: you need to use sudo to modify anything outside of /home/username/
[08:55] <bigbubbanga> just got o synaptic and add it in the repository there
[08:57] <wm_eddie> mpq: What do you need wine for?
[08:57] <mpq> windows programs?
[08:57] <mpq> what else?
[08:57] <wm_eddie> but which
[08:57] <BiteMeBill> mpq: Remember sudo
[08:57] <mpq> I did
[08:57] <BiteMeBill> and it was still a read only file?
[08:57] <mpq> I didn't know I could modify text files on the command line
[08:58] <mpq> I tried to use gedit but it didn't work
[08:58] <bigbubbanga> pico
[08:58] <wm_eddie> hehe, unix has more ways to edit text files on the command line than anything else I bet.
[08:58] <wm_eddie> mpq: you can also do gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:58] <wm_eddie> in Applications>Run Program
[08:59] <wm_eddie> or application...
[08:59] <bigbubbanga> anyone had success with dvdshrink with wine and dvdbackup?
[08:59] <mpq> I'm installing wine now
[09:00] <wm_eddie> bigbubbanga: If it doesn't say any good news on the wine web-site then probably no.
[09:00] <bigbubbanga> well i can get it to run just wondering why it crashe swhen i try to open a disk
[09:00] <bigbubbanga> err disc
[09:02] <wm_eddie> "Application worked fine when transcoding DVD files on the hard drive. Gave ASPI errors when attempting to open a DVD for transcoding"
[09:02] <mpq> whoo, wine works
[09:02] <BiteMeBill> bigbubbanga: Does this help?  http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=240939
[09:03] <mpq> I remembered the only windows program I bothered to back up
[09:05] <Netwolf> is there a ppc ubuntu channel?
[09:06] <BiteMeBill> Netwolf: I think there is only this one and #ubuntuforums
[09:06] <Netwolf> BiteMeBill: thanks
[09:07] <BiteMeBill> yw
[09:08] <randabis-laptop> there's ubuntu-dev too :p
[09:09] <mpq> dammit
[09:09] <mpq> I tried to install itunes using wine but it didn't work
[09:09] <wm_eddie> mpq: Yeah, I have no idea how they got it to install...
[09:10] <randabis-laptop> gtkpod is good
[09:10] <wm_eddie> rhythmbox has a development branch with experimental ipod syncing capabilities too.
[09:10] <Coily> whats the proper fstab config for a ext3 partition
[09:10] <Neil3> they mught have used itunes with one of the non-free wines
[09:10] <randabis-laptop> yeah I've heard about that
[09:10] <Neil3> like crossover office or something
[09:10] <wm_eddie> Not to mention the millions of music players there are for linux.
[09:11] <randabis-laptop> indeed
[09:11] <mpq> I like itunes' music library
[09:11] <aleitner_> i am running hoary and somehow the gnome sticky always stay in the foreground. is that intended behavior?
[09:11] <Coily> anyone?
[09:11] <randabis-laptop> rhythmbox and amarok do the same thing mpq
[09:11] <mpq> do they rip music from cds in unicode?
[09:11] <Neil3> i'm backing up my home dir across the network now, getting ready to replace slow bloated fedora with lean mean ubuntu, wish me luck chaps!
[09:11] <randabis-laptop> so does muine iirc
[09:12] <Examancer> mpq: isn't that like saying you like music? if you liked the program or the service that'd be one thing, but to like the collection is to enjoy popular music
[09:12] <randabis-laptop> no, I think soundjuicer can though
[09:12] <mpq> wait, what?
[09:12] <mpq> I like itunes because I could organize all my music easily
[09:12] <Examancer> oh
[09:12] <randabis-laptop> Examancer, he was saying he likes the library features :p
[09:12] <mpq> I don't know of another program that could do that
[09:12] <mpq> I never even used the music store
[09:12] <Neil3> rhythmbox is ok for organising music from what i see
[09:12] <randabis-laptop> rhythmbox can
[09:13] <randabis-laptop> muine and amarok also can
[09:13] <mpq> okay, I'm going to try rhythmbox
[09:13] <mpq> I should know right off the bat if it does what I need it to
[09:14] <wm_eddie> mpq: If you want to see a cool music player check out quodlibet http://kai.vm.bytemark.co.uk/~piman/software/quodlibet.shtml
[09:14] <wm_eddie> QL isn't like iTunes at all.
[09:14] <wm_eddie> Rhythmbox is trying to be an iTunes clone.
[09:14] <mpq> is flac a lossless format?
[09:14] <wm_eddie> ...
[09:15] <wm_eddie> yeah
[09:15] <FAST> free lossless audio code
[09:15] <FAST> c
[09:15] <mpq> ok
[09:15] <Coily> whats the proper fstab config for a ext3 partition
[09:15] <mpq> sound juicer doesn't seem to support compilation albums
[09:16] <mpq> it put the same wrong artist on all the songs
[09:16] <wm_eddie> sound juicer sucks something awefull.
[09:16] <wm_eddie> get grip. It's bad, but powerful.
[09:16] <mpq> considering ALL my cds are compilations this is useless
[09:17] <wm_eddie> I'm going to eventually work on an iPod driver for QL.
[09:17] <wm_eddie> (To upload songs to the iPod)
[09:18] <mpq> does grip support unicode and compilations?
[09:18] <FAST> are there libraries written for ipod communication?
[09:18] <FAST> for linux
[09:18] <smok> grip supports compilations but most db lookup data doesn't
[09:18] <randabis-laptop> there are some python scripts for ipods iirc
[09:18] <mpq> itunes did everything perfectly
[09:19] <randabis-laptop> but a good gui interface is gtkpod
[09:20] <jdub> mpq: sound juicer does,
[09:20] <jdub> mpq: but sometimes the musicbrainz data is borked
[09:21] <mpq> musicbrainz? what the hell is that?
[09:21] <wm_eddie> randabis-laptop: Where can I find those python scripts.
[09:21] <jdub> mpq: an online database of music metadata
[09:21] <mpq> CDDB is better...
[09:21] <jdub> not usually
[09:21] <jdub> musicbrainz is peer-reviewed
[09:21] <mpq> it got the artists right on compilations
[09:21] <jdub> but there was a format change
[09:22] <jdub> mpq: not always
[09:22] <randabis-laptop> wm_eddie, google, or possibly synaptic
[09:22] <mpq> it got the ones I had right
[09:22] <wm_eddie> I didn't find anything in synaptic...
[09:22] <jdub> mpq: it totally depends, with both systems, on the particular album you've inserted
[09:22] <mpq> the albums I had worked perfectly on itunes
[09:22] <jdub> mpq: the musicbrainz data is on the whole, better than freedb
[09:22] <wm_eddie> There was GNUPod_perl
[09:22] <mpq> they aren't working in anything I have now
[09:22] <jdub> mpq: itunes is a different story altogether
[09:22] <mpq> at least itunes worked when I wanted it to
[09:22] <randabis-laptop> that's what I meant wm
[09:23] <randabis-laptop> got the language wrong :/
[09:23] <wm_eddie> hmm pypod
[09:23] <jdub> mpq: itunes is a well funded piece of software and infrastructure, it's hardly comparable
[09:23] <mpq> you've got a point there
[09:24] <mpq> I didn't think of that
[09:24] <wm_eddie> mpq: But there are many interesting music players for linux.
[09:24] <wm_eddie> interesting in good and bad ways
[09:24] <randabis-laptop> I'm bootstrapping :p
[09:24] <mpq> but none of them seem to do what I need them to
[09:24] <wm_eddie> mpq: Lsongs?
[09:24] <wm_eddie> http://info.linspire.com/lsongs/ $20 though...
[09:25] <jdub> mpq: i recommend sticking with sound-juicer for ripping; fixing up rare incorrect data isn't hard and doesn't take long
[09:25] <mpq> rare incorrect data?
[09:25] <mpq> it didn't get anything right
[09:25] <mpq> the titles were the only things that weren't wrong
[09:25] <jdub> that's unfortunate
[09:25] <mpq> I have all video game soundtracks
[09:26] <Examancer> all of them?
[09:26] <mpq> no
[09:26] <jdub> not exactly common dataset there
[09:26] <mpq> just the cds I own
[09:26] <Examancer> like even NBA Jam '95
[09:26] <mpq> I mean video games with real music
[09:26] <mpq> mainly bemani
[09:26] <Examancer> lol
[09:26] <Neil3> battlefield 1942 has a great sound track
[09:26] <Examancer> mario isn't real music?
[09:26] <mpq> albums of several different artists
[09:27] <mpq> and I can't have it putting "KONAMI" as the artist
[09:27] <wm_eddie> mpq: Do you have Bounce Connected?
[09:27] <mpq> especially when many of them are in japanese
[09:27] <jdub> so i'm not entirely surprised, given the dataset
[09:27] <mpq> wm: I wish I did
[09:27] <Neil3> it gets its artist from cddb right?
[09:27] <Neil3> and other info
[09:27] <wm_eddie> mpq: The problem with unicode mp3s is that it's worng.
[09:27] <mpq> I don't like mp3s
[09:27] <wm_eddie> You aren't supposed to use unicode in ID3v1 tags (not sure about v2
[09:28] <wm_eddie> QL doesn't care though, it uses unicode anyway :)
[09:28] <mpq> that's why I didn't use winamp to play music
[09:30] <mpq> this is so frustrating
[09:31] <wm_eddie> I feel the same way in Windows man.
[09:31] <wm_eddie> and OS X ><
[09:31] <mpq> at least then I could use a music player that worked
[09:31] <wm_eddie> um, but there are lots of music players....
[09:32] <wm_eddie> which ones have you looked at?
[09:32] <mpq> I'm not sure...
[09:32] <mpq> I can't figure out how to use half of them
[09:32] <wm_eddie> Did you try rhythmbox?
[09:32] <mpq> it didn't have the right cd information
[09:32] <mpq> where does sound juicer get cd information?
[09:33] <wm_eddie> mpq: Grip is all you'll need for ripping cds
[09:34] <wm_eddie> you can even specify where it gets Tag info from.
[09:34] <wm_eddie> And mine is set up to use UTF-8 for encoding.
[09:34] <Dreamer31> yeah!
[09:34] <Dreamer31> working
[09:35] <cthulfuego> arrrgh
[09:35] <wm_eddie> mpq: http://www.musicbrainz.org/
[09:35] <randabis-laptop> heh this bootstrap will probably finish at 4:30 AM
[09:36] <randabis-laptop> all that lovely gcc output
[09:36] <wm_eddie> The internet, can't get homework done without it, can't get homework done with it...
[09:37] <mpq> okay, musicbrainz isn't where it's getting cd information
[09:37] <mpq> the album isn't even in the database
[09:37] <Agrajag> probably freedb
[09:37] <Dreamer31> ok
[09:38] <Dreamer31> where can i get a nice default "new mail" sound for ubuntu, or is there one already installed somewhere
[09:40] <randabis-laptop> gnome-look has a sounds section. so does kde-look
[09:40] <wm_eddie> nothing interesting in /usr/share/sounds/
[09:40] <ICU> good god ... this xorg update today on hoary is pain in the ass. this is the third time i'm getting ask for my xorg configuration via debconf - of course i already HAD it configured...
[09:40] <randabis-laptop> I wasn't asked anything ICU
[09:41] <mpq> dammit, I forgot how to compile again
[09:41] <wm_eddie> mpq: what are you compiling?
[09:41] <ICU> randabis-laptop, so?
[09:41] <mpq> grip
[09:41] <wm_eddie> mpq: this isn't gentoo
[09:41] <jimcooncat> how can I speed up DNS lookups in Firefox, preferably system wide?
[09:41] <wm_eddie> apt-get install grip
[09:41] <randabis-laptop> ICU nothin' just sayin' I wasn't asked anything during today's upgates
[09:41] <randabis-laptop> jimcooncat, turn off ipv6
[09:41] <ICU> ah
[09:41] <ICU> hmm
[09:41] <ICU> strange
[09:41] <mpq> that didn't work
[09:42] <wm_eddie> or Computer>System Configuration>Synaptic Package Manager
[09:42] <wm_eddie> it downloads and installs software for you.
[09:42] <jimcooncat> thanks
[09:42] <mpq> I already downloaded grip
[09:42] <wm_eddie> don't compile things unless it's absolutely necesarry.
[09:42] <mpq> but I forgot what to do with it
[09:42] <wm_eddie> or however it's spelled.
[09:42] <ICU> and even more funny: all changes/questions were for nothing since my xorg.conf is selfmade and: xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/xorg.conf; file has been customized
[09:42] <randabis-laptop> heh I'm bootstrapping a new gentoo system right now :p
[09:43] <randabis-laptop> I'll be dual booting gentoo and ubuntu soon enough...
[09:43] <randabis-laptop> heh more like tomorrow afternoon :p
[09:43] <wm_eddie> mpq: compiling is ./configure && make
[09:43] <FAST> whats the diff between  xfree86 and xorg ?
[09:43] <mpq> I was told to get grip and I don't even know how to use it
[09:43] <bob2> not much
[09:43] <bob2> mainly driver support
[09:43] <wm_eddie> mpq: But grip is already in the Ubuntu APT repository.
[09:44] <Agrajag> mpq: apt-get install grip
[09:44] <randabis-laptop> xorg can do composite, xfree86 can't..there's other differences too
[09:44] <Agrajag> well
[09:44] <wm_eddie> mpq: Grip has a pretty terrible GUI, but it's the most configurable program.
[09:44] <randabis-laptop> sudo apt-get install grip
[09:44] <Agrajag> sudo apt-get install grip
[09:44] <randabis-laptop> hehe
[09:44] <mpq> I already did that
[09:44] <mpq> E: Couldn't find package grip
[09:44] <randabis-laptop> type grip?
[09:44] <Agrajag> mpq: do you not have universe?
[09:44] <randabis-laptop> heh must not have universe enable
[09:44] <mpq> I don't know what that is
[09:45] <Agrajag> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages/
[09:45] <Dreamer31> ok
[09:45] <Dreamer31> now the best way to pull in all my old mail
[09:46] <wm_eddie> mpq: replace your /etc/apt/sources.list with mine http://wm-eddie.info/~wm_eddie/sources.list
[09:46] <wm_eddie> it has everything you need
[09:47] <im_high> hello hello
[09:47] <mpq> I don't know how to replace the source list
[09:47] <im_high> anyone try installing ndiswrapper on ppc version of ubuntu?
[09:48] <mjr> im_high, not gonna happen
[09:48] <im_high> kinda pissed it works on mandrake and not ubuntu....seems like messes up at make
[09:48] <im_high> is it the header deal that sposed to be /usr/src/
[09:48] <mjr> ndiswrapper kind of depends on the CPU to be able to run the x86 ndis driver
[09:49] <im_high> gotcha
[09:49] <im_high> dang
[09:49] <bob2> er, it won't work on mandrake
[09:49] <bob2> or any other distro on ppc
[09:49] <Dreamer31> e-mail, check :)
[09:49] <im_high> <-working on mandrake as we speak
[09:49] <Dreamer31> ubuntu almost 100%
[09:49] <mjt> it's just a wrapper, not a CPU emulator ;)
[09:49] <im_high> oh ok bob2..thought u were talkin about x86
[09:49] <bob2> it works fine on i386 ubuntu
[09:50] <bob2> well, as well as any binary glob being slurped into the kernel will ever work
[09:50] <im_high> so it wont at all work on any distro...damn it..
[09:50] <mjr> of course, ndiswrapper in itself is perverse enough that a CPU emulator slapped on it would just be fitting, but nobody's done it yet ;)
[09:50] <bob2> hah
[09:50] <im_high> ya i think its ugly in itself
[09:50] <im_high> very true
[09:50] <bob2> I have heard rumours of someone strapping it onto qemu
[09:50] <im_high> but for wifi drivers...what can u say
[09:50] <bob2> but thankfully no code
[09:51] <bob2> you can say "buy a properly supported card" ;)
[09:51] <im_high> guess i have to put os x back onto the g3 imac
[09:51] <im_high> lol
[09:51] <im_high> i had linux runnin a great mp3 server for a wk
[09:51] <bob2> er
[09:51] <bob2> normal airports work fine under linux
[09:51] <im_high> i have a usb dwl-122 for it
[09:51] <im_high> no airport
[09:51] <bob2> and I'm pretty sure airport extreme is only for g4 ones
[09:52] <im_high> ya i have extreme for the powerbook
[09:52] <MLimburg> is there a way i can remove the bloody OSS sound drivers for good?
[09:52] <mjt> why OSS is bloody?
[09:52] <zerokarmaleft> why are there forced upgrades to 4.0 for gcc-related packages in hoary? (e.g. libgcc1)  anyone else notice this today?
[09:52] <Neil3> how come you dont use os x if you're on a mac?
[09:52] <mpq> the cd information is wrong in grip
[09:52] <mpq> and I'm back to square one again
[09:52] <bob2> zerokarmaleft: 4.0 is not the default
[09:52] <im_high> because i felt like tryin linux on ppc..
[09:52] <bob2> libgcc1 may come from the gcc 4.0 source package, but that doesn't matter
[09:52] <Neil3> hehe fair enough
[09:53] <im_high> i like linux....bored.
[09:53] <im_high> :)
[09:53] <MLimburg> mjt .. i've stabbed it twice and it wont die :P
[09:53] <Neil3> aqua is way better than x
[09:53] <im_high> this thing has 128mb..i think its s 350 g3 imac
[09:53] <im_high> i need to throw some mem in it
[09:53] <Neil3> ah ha
[09:53] <Neil3> an oldie g3
[09:53] <im_high> i picked it up from my last gf...it was donated
[09:53] <im_high> to my 'collection'
[09:53] <Neil3> cool
[09:53] <im_high> :)
[09:53] <MLimburg> i agree Neil3 .. but its down to preference, and how much HD space you got :)
[09:53] <Neil3> yeah
[09:53] <zerokarmaleft> bob2, right, 3.3.5 is still the default
[09:53] <im_high> powerbook g4 is runnin very well
[09:54] <Neil3> on an older mac linux would be great
[09:54] <im_high> i wont throw any linux distro on that at the moment
[09:54] <im_high> cept for live cds
[09:54] <im_high> live cds are great for wardriving
[09:54] <bob2> my ibook g4 loved ubuntu
[09:54] <MLimburg> i hope to get a decent apple one day .. want to run it side by side to my linux rig
[09:54] <bob2> except for the stupidity of broadcom
[09:54] <mpq> it's definitely freedb that's the problem
[09:54] <Neil3> i want an apple mac for music production
[09:54] <im_high> dunno which i am going to config....gentoo is lookin good with nmap and stuff ready to go
[09:54] <mpq> the album information is inaccurate
[09:54] <Neil3> logic 7 is so good
[09:54] <Kvark> how to edit a text file that belongs to root?
[09:54] <bob2> mpq: so fix it
[09:54] <Neil3> sudo gedit
[09:54] <bob2> Kvark: sudo gedit /blah/blah
[09:55] <bob2> or nano instead of gedit
[09:55] <mpq> it's too much work
[09:55] <Kvark> oh, ok *goes to that scary terminal*
[09:55] <mpq> I want grip to get cd information from gracenote
[09:55] <im_high> scary?
[09:55] <mpq> how do I do that?
[09:55] <bob2> except gracenote are evil
[09:55] <bob2> and don't they just run cddb now anyway?
[09:56] <zerokarmaleft> bob2, but i'd have to install gcc-4.0-base to upgrade those packages, i meant why aren't there parallel installs for libgcc1 libobjc1, etc.
[09:56] <mpq> at least gracenote got the artist information right
[09:56] <bob2> then fix it
[09:56] <bob2> lordy
[09:56] <mpq> I don't know how to fix it
[09:56] <bob2> zerokarmaleft: why should there be?
[09:56] <Kvark> I'm a windows user that discovered just today how much nicer linux is :D    .... so it is scary for me with a terminal
[09:56] <im_high> gotta love irc...where else can i talk to people about this shit
[09:56] <bob2> im_high: your local lug
[09:57] <bob2> zerokarmaleft: it's only 220KB
[09:57] <Dreamer31> wow
[09:58] <Dreamer31> cyrus seems to be quite slow (vs maildir)
[09:58] <Kvark> whee, thanks it worked :D
[09:58] <randabis-laptop> Kvark, get used to it. The terminal r0x
[09:58] <TreadingSoftl1> Hi folks. I'm trying to autogen gtk-sharp from the mono repositories, with the ultimate aim of getting Beagle up and running on Ubuntu Hoary. Autogen says that the following packages - gnome-sharp.dll gda-sharp.dll gnomedb-sharp.dll rsvg-sharp.dll gtkhtml-sharp.dll vte-sharp.dll panelapplet-sharp.dll - are "optional assemblies" that haven't been "included in the build". Then it says: "you may install the corresponding development packages for them, re
[09:58] <zerokarmaleft> that's not the point...it just seems like an unnecessary dependency, imho
 cyrus is like a huge black cube with an eyeball painted on it that says "YOUR MAIL IS SAFE WITH ME, CITIZEN"
[09:59] <bob2> good quote about cyrus :)
[09:59] <mpq> this is just more trouble than it's worth
[09:59] <bob2> zerokarmaleft: do you know what's in that package and how libgcc1 uses it?
[09:59] <mpq> I should not be having this much trouble listening to music
[09:59] <bob2> you're not
[10:00] <bob2> you're having trouble using a free music metainformation service with some obscure-ish album
[10:00] <mpq> it's not my fault I hate american music
[10:00] <mjt> what's wrong with using libgcc1 and gcc-base from 4.0 ?
[10:00] <randabis-laptop> LOL
[10:00] <Neil3> mpq, you can submit your albums to the database
[10:00] <mpq> just because a bunch of japanese guys who work for konami are better than everyone in america
[10:00] <Neil3> so that they will be recognised properly
[10:00] <bob2> they're there but with minor errors, apparently
[10:00] <mpq> but I can't submit them
[10:01] <mpq> half of the credits are in japanese which I can't type in linux
[10:01] <randabis-laptop> hah
[10:01] <mjt> mpq: but cut-n-paste should work ;)
[10:01] <mpq> I don't have the information on the computer
[10:01] <thesilverhand> mpq: you can type japanese in linux...but if you don't have a japanese keyboard finding the right characters can be tricky
[10:02] <mjt> nod
[10:02] <mpq> all this was fine on windows
[10:02] <mpq> in windows I could just type the romanized words and it would convert it to japanese
[10:03] <mjt> hmm.. a maildir better than maildir?
[10:04] <Dreamer31> mjt: well, i want speed, but also need to access it from other PCs from time to time...
[10:04] <Dreamer31> mjt: courier and cyrus both seem slow when moving large amounts of messages about
[10:04] <mjt> i fail to see how imap is slower
[10:04] <mjt> ah
[10:04] <Dreamer31> mjt: i mean an order of magniture or 2 slower than maildir, seems like a lot of overhead
[10:04] <mpq> I'm pissed
[10:05] <Dreamer31> mpq: ?
[10:05] <mpq> everything worked perfectly when I was on windows and now nothing works right
[10:05] <mjt> dovecot has an option to link message files when copying - speed things up quite a bit
[10:05] <bob2> Dreamer31: just use local maildir on every machine
[10:05] <Dreamer31> mjt: maildir several hundred messages... few seconds... imap few seconds for 3%
[10:05] <bob2> Dreamer31: with offlineimap to sync them up
[10:05] <Dreamer31> mpq: welcome to linux ;-)
[10:05] <mpq> why does anyone use this?
[10:05] <Dreamer31> bob2: hmmmm
[10:06] <Dreamer31> mpq: *laughs*
[10:06] <mjt> Dreamer31: after all, with standard maildir (courier, dovecot) you can just mv files around
[10:06] <Dreamer31> mpq: because we love headaches
[10:06] <mjt> lol
[10:06] <Dreamer31> mjt: well, not exactly... courier (at least) creates lots of hints files that evolution likes to show, which doesn't make it seamless for normal use
[10:06] <bob2> mpq: people have different needs
[10:06] <Dreamer31> bob2: i'll look at that
[10:06] <bebek> apt-get update, upgrade , dist-upgrade wrecked up my gnome :(
[10:07] <bebek> no more icons... can't access gnome theme....
[10:07] <mjt> Dreamer31: hmm which hints?  You mean flags?
[10:07] <Dreamer31> mjt: courierimapkeywords, etc
[10:07] <Dreamer31> mjt: dovecot works with /Maildir in your home?
[10:07] <mjt> yes
[10:07] <mjt> and i never saw courierimapkeywords
[10:08] <Dreamer31> mjt: i did :)
[10:08] <bob2> Dreamer31: it will work with any location you like
[10:08] <mjt> there's courierimap-something-about-message-flags (like "todo", "later" etc) - don't remember the filename
[10:08] <mpq> I'm too frustrated to do anything now
[10:08] <mpq> I need to take a break from this
[10:09] <bebek> has anyone experienced the same thing?
[10:09] <bob2> yeah
[10:09] <mjt> provided every imap (sub)folder contains the same flags set (it's just a map attribute=>digit), you can copy/move/etc the files around as you like
[10:09] <Dreamer31> mjt: wow, dovecot is way faster than cyrus
[10:09] <calamari_> any idea why every time I close a kde app I get a KDE window telling me there was a crash, signal 11 SIGSEGV?
[10:09] <bob2> yup
[10:10] <randabis-laptop> poor kid
[10:10] <bob2> Dreamer31: dovecot is the default in ubuntu, remeber
[10:10] <bob2> due to it's general rockingness
[10:10] <Dreamer31> bob2: i had no idea there was a default
[10:10] <mjt> Dreamer31: check out maildir_copy_with_hardlinks setting in /etc/dovecot.conf too
[10:11] <Dreamer31> bob2: it's still nowhere near as fast as direct Maildir :)
[10:11] <bob2> Dreamer31: hence offlineimap!
[10:11] <Dreamer31> bob2: not there yet :)
[10:12] <mjt> still, what's wrong with copying files manually?
[10:12] <bob2> ewewew.
[10:12] <mjt> (*provided* the IDs does not clash - they shouldn't)
[10:12] <Dreamer31> mjt: i think that would only work copying folders around inside the imap server :)
[10:12] <Dreamer31> mjt: neat though
[10:12] <bebek> what can possibly cause packages to be kept back while performing apt-get upgrade ?
[10:12] <Dreamer31> mjt: and i don't really copy, i move :)
[10:12] <bob2> bebek: read the apt manpage
[10:12] <bob2> and note the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade
[10:13] <Dreamer31> bob2: hmmm
[10:13] <Dreamer31> bob2: where can i learn more about this
[10:13] <bob2> about what?
[10:13] <bob2> brb
[10:14] <Dreamer31> bob2: offlineimap guess i'll good
[10:14] <mjt> bebek: usually it's because you set preferred distribution to say warty, and installed some package from say hoary.. now in hoary there's more recent version of the same pkg, but it requires more recent version of some library which is available in hoary but not in warty...
[10:14] <bob2> oh lord
[10:14] <bob2> if you're using apt pinning, YHL, HTH, HAND.
[10:14] <mjt> heh
[10:14] <mjt> apt.conf: APT::Default-Release stable;
[10:15] <mjt> is that pinning? ;)
[10:16] <mjt> and sometimes i do use apt pinning for various reasons.  For example, I don't damn want to mess up with broken mdadm-1.8.1 which is now in ubuntu -- it is broken, BROKEN.
[10:16] <bob2> Dreamer31: install the package, it has docs
[10:16] <Welly> Hello all
[10:16] <bob2> mjt: so put it on hold
[10:16] <Dreamer31> bob2: i'm reading on their website
[10:16] <bebek> mjt: oh...
[10:16] <Dreamer31> bob2: trying to understand if this might fill a BIGGER need for me :)
[10:16] <bob2> mjt: and make sure the bug is followed up
[10:16] <bob2> Dreamer31: which is?
[10:17] <Dreamer31> bob2: wanting to download mail at two locations when connections are idle so i just have mail and never have to click "get"
[10:17] <Dreamer31> bob2: keeping the locations in sync would be the issue before
[10:17] <bob2> yup
[10:18] <bob2> offlineimap is yo (dadd|mumm)y for that
[10:18] <bob2> I use it so I have my mail on my desktop, laptop and mail server
[10:18] <Dreamer31> bob2: the approach you suggests require 2 copies of every message, no?
[10:18] <Welly> looking at giving ubuntu a whirl as i'm a pretty, well absolutely, new linux user.. been tinkering with mandrake for a few days which seems alright
[10:18] <Welly> how do the two distributions compare?
[10:19] <bob2> Dreamer31: if you're using offlineimap, you will have one copy of each message on each machine, yes
[10:19] <Dreamer31> bob2: or in the case of using it to speed up imap i'd have an imap copy and maildir copy localy, correct?
[10:19] <bob2> Dreamer31: you'd use offlineimap to download the mail via imap to a local maildir
[10:19] <bob2> Dreamer31: on my laptop, mutt just sees a tree of maildirs, and doesn't know or care that they get filled up via imap
[10:20] <Dreamer31> bob2: hmmm
[10:20] <Dreamer31> and changes go back across to the imap server too, right?
[10:20] <bob2> of course
[10:20] <Dreamer31> sweet
[10:20] <bob2> Welly: well, I'd guess most people in here prefer ubuntu ;)
[10:20] <Welly> i bet :)
[10:21] <bob2> imho ubuntu is a better first (and last) distribution
[10:21] <bob2> but you won't know which you prefer unti lyou try both
[10:21] <Welly> ok.. so it's a distribution i can install and kind of grow to learn linux with and it'll be capable when/if I'm a bit more advanced further down the road?
[10:21] <mjt> what offlineimap does which rsync does not?
[10:22] <bob2> Welly: very much so
[10:22] <bob2> mjt: do it safely and handle moved messages and use imap and work in both directions
[10:22] <Welly> cool.. i'm going to install it into vmware (am at work on my windows machine) and see how it is
[10:22] <bob2> rsync on your maildirs is a terrible idea
[10:22] <Welly> i tried gentoo last night on my machine at home.. that was fun :|
[10:22] <Welly> still didn't get it installed
[10:24] <thesilverhand> Welly: I switched to linux with ubuntu a few months back...it's definitely good to learn on
[10:25] <Welly> wicked.. i'll give it a go
[10:25] <An00b15> I love it
[10:25] <Neil3> it seems a lot of brits are using ubuntu?
[10:25] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmm
[10:26] <An00b15> its nice to have a working desktop in a half an hour
[10:26] <Dreamer3> i just copied in Maildir from my old box... is there no way to make dovecot "wake up" and see all the folders, etc?
[10:26] <An00b15> I should have stayed Warty though
[10:26] <Neil3> so when i do install ubuntu i can then install linux-k7 for the athlon kernel and stuff then use synaptic to get rid of the intel stuff?
[10:26] <Neil3> the i386/686 or whatever?
[10:26] <bob2> Dreamer3: imap servers don't generally like raw maildir
[10:26] <thesilverhand> An00b15: why?
[10:27] <bob2> Neil3: yeah
[10:27] <Neil3> or is there a way when you install to get it to use the k7 kernel straight away?
[10:27] <An00b15> thesilverhand, why else? Hoary is broken
[10:27] <bob2> there's no point, and "no"
[10:27] <bob2> hoary is not "broken"
[10:27] <bob2> some particular things might be
[10:27] <bob2> which I assume you have filed bugs on?
[10:28] <thesilverhand> An00b15, I haven't had any trouble
[10:28] <An00b15> looks pretty though
[10:28] <An00b15> runs fast
[10:28] <thesilverhand> it has bugs, yeah...it's still growing
[10:28] <Dreamer3> bob2: yeah, but it'd be a lot faster than dragging all these already organized things into imap (and no copying disk space)
[10:28] <An00b15> does your firefox crash?
[10:28] <bob2> no
[10:28] <thesilverhand> nope...if yours does, file a bug
[10:28] <bob2> (if no one else has filed it)
[10:29] <thesilverhand> well yeah :)
[10:29] <An00b15> I'm not being negative
[10:29] <An00b15> when I say broken thats what i mean
[10:29] <An00b15> NOT FINISHED
[10:29] <An00b15> hence
[10:29] <An00b15> broke
[10:29] <bob2> no
[10:29] <bob2> please don't spread fud like that
[10:29] <An00b15> it'll be "fixed" whe its ready
[10:29] <bob2> it works great for thousands of people
[10:29] <thesilverhand> broke would mean it was fine, and now it isn't
[10:29] <An00b15> I knew that when I installed
[10:29] <SO_SASSS> http://www.club2share.com
[10:29] <bob2> if you have a specific issues, please file bugs
[10:30] <thesilverhand> it's still growing and changing...unfinished and broken are very different
[10:30] <An00b15> Firefox has crashed on my all day
[10:30] <bob2> An00b15: then please file a bug
[10:30] <bob2> An00b15: it works perfectly well for lots of other people
[10:30] <An00b15> I updated to Hoary before and that did not happen
[10:30] <bob2> including at least thesilverhand and I
[10:30] <An00b15> what do i look like filing a bug from a system they know is unstable?
[10:31] <thesilverhand> that's how they identify issues that need resolving
[10:31] <An00b15> and you don't just file "bugs"
[10:31] <mjt> btw, is there a way to "forward" $LANG over ssh connection?
[10:31] <stvn> An00b15: because it's stable for a lot of ppl, so if it's unstable for you, something is probably wrong and needs to be fixed
[10:31] <An00b15> you at least make sure thatas what it is
[10:31] <An00b15> and not just your system
[10:31] <bob2> An00b15: a clueless but valid bug is better than no bug at all
[10:31] <scizzo_> An00b15: start firefox from a terminal?
[10:31] <bob2> tho I know someone will make me eat those words someday
[10:32] <An00b15> scizzo_, and?
[10:32] <bob2> An00b15: and observe the output
[10:32] <An00b15> firefox
[10:32] <bob2> I think you're turning a minor thing like filing a reproducible bug into a big deal for no reason
[10:32] <bob2> mjt: yes
[10:32] <An00b15> and the other mozilla based browesrs crashed
[10:32] <An00b15> but dillo does not
[10:32] <bob2> mjt: man ssh, look for .ssh/environment
[10:32] <pvh> It looks like I'm missing a Python module to track my PC's stats with GDesklets. Can anyone help me?
[10:33] <bob2> An00b15: there you go, that's useful information for your bug report
[10:33] <Zotnix> Hey, I'm using glade2 here and I notice it can save with C, C++, or ada support.. anyway I can get Python support as well in there?
[10:33] <An00b15> even the sefl installer from mozilla for firefox crashed
[10:33] <mjr> Zot, use pyglade
[10:33] <An00b15> its hit and miss
[10:33] <An00b15> video seems to kill it
[10:34] <An00b15> I think the mplayer plug is screwy
[10:34] <bob2> Zotnix: those are dodgy options to generate code (ie a .c file which builds the UI)
[10:34] <thesilverhand> even more info for the bug :)
[10:34] <An00b15> the mplayer plugin loads the video but then never finishes
[10:34] <mjr> it loads the gui from the glade file on the fly
[10:34] <An00b15> I thought it was video related
[10:34] <scizzo_> An00b15: try to see if you get any errors in the terminal
[10:34] <bob2> Zotnix: it's considered waaaaaaaaaay better to just load the .xml file at runtime with libglade, which python can do using the modules in python-glade
[10:34] <An00b15> but then I tried ot go to my bank online
[10:34] <An00b15> and it kept crashing after I logged in
[10:34] <mjt> bob2: this allows to *set* *any* variable in ~/.ssh/environment (not safe). I want to *forward* just $LANG, pretty like it forwards $TERM.
[10:34] <An00b15> like it was choking on https
[10:35] <Zotnix> bob2, what I'm currently able to do, however, I'm learning and would rather see the code.
[10:35] <bob2> mjt: yes, that's not possible afaik
[10:35] <bob2> mjt: kamion would know for sure
[10:35] <bob2> Zotnix: hm, why? so you can learn python gtk programming?
[10:35] <mjt> i see $TERM is handled in source, while $LANG isn't
[10:35] <An00b15> there
[10:35] <Dreamer3> bob2: copying over the maildir worked FINE, just had to go and subscribe to all the folders :)
[10:35] <bob2> mjt: right
[10:35] <An00b15> logged into the bank and it crashed
[10:35] <Zotnix> bob2, yep.
[10:35] <An00b15> did not do thjat earlier
[10:35] <bob2> An00b15: there you go, file a bug
[10:36] <mjt> . o O { file a bug }
[10:36] <bob2> whinging on irc is about as pointless an activitry as there is
[10:36] <mjt> all together now ;)
[10:36] <Dreamer3> bob2: just fyi
[10:36] <An00b15> seems if I empty the cache i have until it fills before it vrashes again
[10:36] <bob2> except maybe hammering nails in your head
[10:36] <An00b15> i dunno
[10:36] <bob2> Dreamer3: ah, ok
[10:36] <An00b15> whinning on an irc?
[10:36] <Zotnix> I'm not learning using glade really, I'm making programs writing out everything without using glade. but I want to see how certain things are set up (accelerators, for example)
[10:36] <An00b15> Thast what 317 ppl are doing here?
[10:37] <bob2> An00b15: no
[10:37] <mjt> wasting their time?
[10:37] <Zotnix> I can't find good tutorials with examples on those so I figure maybe using glade could help me see how its done.
[10:37] <An00b15> when they say join us on our channel for free support or concern etc. Thats what it is to you whinning?
[10:37] <An00b15> oh boy
[10:37] <bob2> An00b15: no
[10:37] <bob2> of course not
[10:37] <An00b15> Thats the Ubuntu spirit
[10:37] <bob2> but I really think you should file a bug
[10:37] <pvh> bob2: Hammering nails in your head was a popular practice for a while.
[10:37] <An00b15> way to go
[10:37] <bob2> An00b15: stop trolling
[10:37] <bob2> no one ever said that
[10:37] <pvh> bob2: Let me see if I can link you.
[10:37] <bob2> we just suggested you file a bug
[10:38] <bob2> please don't go off the handle
[10:38] <An00b15> now I'm a troll?
[10:38] <bob2> god
[10:38] <An00b15> brother
[10:38] <bob2> what is it about IRC that makes people go crazy?
[10:39] <An00b15> what is it about IRC that makes people call others outta there name for no reason?
[10:39] <pvh> bob2: http://www.ee0r.com/trepan.html
[10:39] <bob2> please calm down
[10:39] <An00b15> take your own advice
[10:39] <bob2> I have
[10:39] <An00b15> I did not call you a troll
[10:39] <bob2> indeed
[10:39] <mjt> folks stop this nonsense. right now.
[10:40] <Neil3> is there a way when you install ubuntu to get it to use the k7 kernel and modules etc straight away?
[10:40] <bob2> Neil3: no
[10:40] <Neil3> dang
[10:40] <bob2> Neil3: it will not give any significant gain, afaik
[10:40] <mjt> how's that "straight away" ?
[10:40] <Neil3> so its apt-get install linux-k7
[10:40] <bob2> yes
[10:40] <Neil3> and then trawling through to remove the i386 stuff
[10:40] <Neil3> ok
[10:41] <bob2> well, it's not that big a deal
[10:41] <Neil3> :)
[10:41] <bob2> one package to remove, one to install
[10:41] <Neil3> would be nice if it recognised your cpu and installed the correct kernel
[10:41] <mjt> Neil3: just make sure it boots ok BEFORE removing i386 kernel ;)
[10:41] <Neil3> heheh
[10:41] <An00b15> *** ExtensionManager:_updateManifests: no access privileges to application directory, skippin g.
[10:42] <An00b15> The program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error.
[10:42] <An00b15> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[10:42] <bob2> please don't paste stuff in here
[10:42] <stvn> An00b15: how did you install firefox?
[10:42] <An00b15> The error was 'BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)'.
[10:43] <An00b15> stvn, via apt-get
[10:43] <An00b15> I also tried the self installer from firefox
[10:43] <mjt> speaking of firefox.. is it fair to have two sets of gecko stuff, for both firefox and thunderbird?
[10:43] <An00b15> both crash
[10:43] <An00b15> now it seems they don't like xorg?
[10:44] <mjt> firefox works here with xorg from ubuntu just fine -- either original from mozilla.org, of .deb from debian, or .deb from ubuntu.
[10:44] <bob2> mjt: no one has turned gecko into a proper library yet
[10:45] <An00b15> (Details: serial 90 error_code 8 request_code 149 minor_code 3)
[10:45] <An00b15>  no access privileges to application directory,
[10:45] <An00b15> this should be easy to fix
[10:45] <An00b15> just assign the proper privs
[10:45] <An00b15> but to what
[10:45] <mjt> it should not require that access
[10:45] <An00b15> and whom I dunno
[10:46] <mjt> An00b15: check all permissions in your ~/.mozilla-firefox
[10:46] <stvn> An00b15: best thing to do is file a bug report, explaining how you installed it, what you tried and what errors it gives, than you can point people to the bugreport if you want to discuss it
[10:46] <An00b15> k
[10:46] <mjt> An00b15: if it tries to do something with its /usr/lib/... directories, when installation went wrong for some reason.
[10:47] <An00b15> I just don't like fasle alarms
[10:47] <mjt> maybe you tried to install some extensions?
[10:47] <An00b15> hmmmm
[10:47] <An00b15> I had some extentions installed form a previous installation yes
[10:47] <mjt> where?
[10:47] <An00b15> I kept my /home
[10:48] <An00b15> and reinstalled Ubuntu
[10:48] <An00b15> reinstalled
[10:48] <An00b15> kept /home
[10:48] <An00b15> what do you mean where?
[10:49] <mjt> you answered my q.  in /home
[10:49] <wm_eddie> migrating old home dirs is trouble some in the beginning huh...
[10:49] <mjt> why?
[10:49] <mjt> if user IDs match, it should be painless
[10:49] <wm_eddie> well, in theory
[10:49] <mjt> speaking of which... An00b15: do you own your own home dir and all inside it?
[10:50] <An00b15> it was painless fo rthe most part
[10:50] <An00b15> mjt, I sjopuld but I'm about to check ~./mozilla-firefox like you asked
[10:50] <An00b15> one sec
[10:51] <An00b15> I also had two of each extention installed in firefox
[10:51] <An00b15> that could not have been good
[10:51] <mjt> maybe just reinstall all local extensions.. at least, move everything out of ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins (of whatever it is) and try first w/o any exts, and if that works, try adding them one-by-one... maybe ;)
[10:52] <mjt> and.. if you have some extensions installed in /usr/lib/..., you have to run mozilla as root once.
[10:52] <topyli> An00b15: haven't been following this but when you change distros the UIDs often change so that the username is not enough for "owning" files and dirs
[10:54] <An00b15> well user name and groups match
[10:54] <An00b15> I dunno about the uids though
[10:55] <topyli> An00b15: when i switched from mandrake to debian, i had to chown everything. debian has different (numeric) UIDs
[10:56] <mpq> I just realized I can't think of a real reason to use linux
[10:56] <theine> how come mplayer-586, mplayer-k7, ... cannot be found on my friend's athlon machine?
[10:57] <mpq> I don't do any real work on my computer
[10:57] <topyli> mpq: how sad
[10:57] <theine> just mplayer-custom which does not work dur to illegal instructions
[10:57] <An00b15> topyli, I di dthe same thing
[10:57] <An00b15> (Gecko:7315): libgnomevfs-WARNING **: Deprecated function.  User modifications to the MIME database are no longer supported.
[10:57] <mpq> I had everything working perfectly and I had to screw it up by changing the operating system
[10:57] <An00b15> I think thats the problem there
[10:57] <An00b15> I just ran firfox as root
[10:57] <An00b15> and still crashed on my banks site
[10:58] <Cspnico> hi
[10:58] <mpq> why did I think I could use this?
[10:58] <topyli> An00b15: oh, so i have no clue. :) as i said, i haven't wathced your discussion, just joined the channel
[10:58] <topyli> mpq: propaganda?
[10:59] <mpq> I was told it was better than windows
[10:59] <mjt> "after byuing my first computer... after dreaming about it for several years.. i just realized i don't know what to use it for..." ;)
[10:59] <topyli> mpq: it is
[10:59] <b_e_n_z> is there a way to pass kernel boot options when the install disk is booting?
[10:59] <mpq> but I've never been this frustrated using computers before
[10:59] <theine> mpg: for many of us it's the other way 'round
[10:59] <topyli> mpq: rtfm ;)
[10:59] <mpq> I can't figure out how to get anything working the way I had it in windows
[10:59] <mpq> I don't think I can get anything working the way I had it
[10:59] <Neil3> it takes time to learn the different ways
[11:00] <theine> mpg: like what?
[11:00] <Neil3> make a list of what you need
[11:00] <mjt> i don't think it's supposed to work exactly as in windows. it's different OS, after all
[11:00] <topyli> mpq: well, things do not work the way they do in windows
[11:00] <mpq> first, it's q
[11:00] <Neil3> and what you did in windows
[11:00] <Neil3> and people will tell you linux alternatives
[11:00] <theine> q?
[11:00] <mpq> first off, the music player
[11:00] <mpq> nothing in linux does what I need it to
[11:00] <topyli> ok, let's fix it
[11:00] <mpq> it's mpq, not mpg
[11:01] <mjt> xmms isn't working?
[11:01] <mjt> or isn't nice?
[11:01] <mpq> xmms doesn't do what I need it to
[11:01] <BiteMeBill> mpq: I completely disagree...  you seem to be moving too fast instead of trying to learn things and to work on one thing at a time.
[11:01] <topyli> mpq: and what is that?
[11:01] <wm_eddie> xmms sucks bad.
[11:01] <mpq> I originally used itunes
[11:01] <MeMa|Sorcerer> use rythmbox
[11:01] <topyli> mpq: so you'll probably like rhythmbox more than xmms
[11:01] <bob2> if you don't like linux, then stay with windows
[11:02] <bob2> ubuntu will still be there another day
[11:02] <MeMa|Sorcerer> :D
[11:02] <MeMa|Sorcerer> its like iTunes
[11:02] <Neil3> yeah bob2 is right, it's all about freedom of choice
[11:02] <mpq> it had that whole music library thing, full unicode support, and it ripped cds perfectly
[11:02] <topyli> bob2: sage advice
[11:02] <mpq> I don't want to have to start over again
[11:02] <theine> mpg: well then don't
[11:02] <topyli> mpq: rhythmbox is what you want, really
[11:02] <mpq> it's q not g
[11:02] <mjt> heh
[11:02] <theine> mpq: i'm terribly sorry
[11:03] <topyli> hehe
[11:03] <mpq> you're not the first to do that
[11:03] <pisuke> hi.
[11:03] <pisuke> just one question, mount: could not find any device /dev/loop
[11:03] <pisuke> how can I enable the loop device?
[11:03] <Neil3> bah 25 mins to download this thing
[11:04] <bob2> pisuke: modprobe loop
[11:04] <topyli> pisuke: what is your mount command that gives this error?
[11:04] <pisuke> bob2, thx
[11:04] <mpQ> problem with sound juicer: the artist information it retrieved is wrong
[11:04] <mjt> well.. it's with everything. if you had some stuff created in some app running - on win, on mac, on linux, whatever, and the app does not work on other os, you're pretty much screwed
[11:04] <selinium_> Hi all, I have just installed UBUNTU! It is my first stab at linux! Just one problem, my usb ports dont seem to work. Is there a way round this?
[11:04] <bob2> that's not a problem with sound juicer
[11:04] <bob2> it's a problem with whatever db it's using
[11:04] <mpq> is there a way to get it to use gracenote?
[11:04] <topyli> mpQ: that's not sound juicer's fault, it retrieves whatever is there
[11:04] <Silesian> hey
[11:05] <Neil3> ooh ooh i have a question
[11:05] <mpq> how do I change what database it uses?
[11:05] <Silesian> can i have a very quick question in regards to ubuntu installation ?
[11:05] <bob2> when you say "gracenote", do you mean "cddb"?
[11:05] <wm_eddie> selinium_: My Mother board has a bug, so my front USBs don't work correctly, but the ones on the back of the case work.  Have you tried that?
[11:05] <Neil3> does ubuntu include the gimp-print drivers?
[11:05] <bob2> Silesian: best to just ask
[11:05] <mpq> does freedb support compilation cds with multiple artists?
[11:06] <mpq> it doesn't have correct artist information for compilations
[11:06] <topyli> mpq: not that i know
[11:06] <mpq> then freedb is completely useless to me
[11:06] <topyli> mpq: sorry about that
[11:06] <mpq> I need to get sound juicer to use a different database
[11:06] <mpq> how do I do that?
[11:06] <bob2> no, it's not useless
[11:06] <wm_eddie> mpq: you know QL has a function that can split a tag into two different tags.
[11:06] <mpq> I'm just in a bad mood
[11:06] <bob2> it's imperfect
[11:06] <bob2> we noticed
[11:06] <wm_eddie> like composer out of artist...
[11:06] <mpq> I can't get anything to work right
[11:06] <selinium_> wm_eddie: Yeh, both the old USB 1.1 ports at the back and the new USB 2.0 Ports dont work. Would it be worth unplugging the USB 2.0 PCI before booting?
[11:07] <bob2> anything seems to just be "freedb"
[11:07] <bob2> mpq: try asking on the user list, since it seems no one here knows
[11:07] <mpq> my old music player used gracenote
[11:07] <topyli> mpq: you need support, but you're not handling this free support thing very well.
[11:08] <wm_eddie> selinium_: You should do a search for your PCI model in google.com/linux and see if there's any hits talking about non working usbs
[11:08] <Silesian> during installation there is section about partitioning; can i tell ubuntu explicitly to install on for example / on hda5 and /boot on hda2 swap on /hda3?
[11:08] <bob2> Silesian: yes
[11:08] <Silesian> bob2; will other partitions will be left untouched?
[11:09] <bob2> it does whatever you tell it to
[11:09] <bob2> "yes"
[11:09] <selinium_> wm_eddie: Cheers, I will have a scout around!
[11:09] <Silesian> bob2; thx :)
[11:10] <Silesian> cya :)
[11:10] <theine> could anyone tell me how the mplayer-custom package actually works? is it supposed to always point to the appropriate mplayer package for the given CPU?
[11:10] <randabis-laptop> poor mpq...he should have never killed windows lol
[11:11] <wm_eddie> hmm...
[11:11] <wm_eddie> how do I stop a USB device.
[11:11] <topyli> theine: i think the "custom" part there is a pun, and it's a generic package for all i386's
[11:11] <Neil3> i'd say if you like itunes so much and want stuff to just work then go for a mac
[11:11] <Neil3> although its not free :(
[11:11] <theine> topyli: actually i doubt that since it doesn't work on an AMD sempron
[11:11] <randabis-laptop> I'd like a powerbook :p
[11:12] <randabis-laptop> it'd put this ol' gateway to shame hehe
[11:12] <wm_eddie> I know they will one day.
[11:12] <wm_eddie> and I"m going to buy one.
[11:12] <topyli> theine: it doesn't really work on my duron either, but i think it's simply broken that's all
[11:12] <randabis-laptop> ibm sold their pc business though wm_eddie
[11:12] <topyli> theine: get mplayer elsewhere is what i say
[11:13] <wm_eddie> randabis-laptop: Exactly, they produce a competetor to the IA-32/64 but they had to always make PCs because of Windows,  Now they are focusing all their power on the POWER architecture.
[11:13] <theine> topyli: broken in the sense that it is probably compiled for intel CPU's
[11:14] <wm_eddie> hopefully, that'll mean POWER desktops and laptops.
[11:14] <theine> topyli: thus the error message ``illegal instruction''
[11:14] <wm_eddie> I hope...
[11:14] <randabis-laptop> wm_eddie, yeah, but what os would it run?
[11:14] <topyli> theine: yes, that's what i get too
[11:14] <Welly> I've downloaded a debian package right, and double clicked on it to install and am getting an error - "Couldn't display "/home/alastair/Desktop/ndiswrapper-source_1.0-1_i386.deb". there was an error launching the application"
[11:14] <wm_eddie> randabis-laptop: Linux...
[11:14] <Welly> any ideas?
[11:14] <randabis-laptop> wm_eddie, true enough :p
[11:14] <wm_eddie> Welly: dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:15] <theine> topyli: when you search for mplayer with apt-cache, do you find mplayer-686, mplayer-k7,...
[11:15] <theine> ?
[11:15] <Welly> ok
[11:15] <wm_eddie> damn 5 am...
[11:15] <wm_eddie> I'm going to have to pull the ethernet plug out of this computer... I haven't gotten any work done ;_;
[11:15] <BiteMeBill> wm_eddie: Where abouts are you from?
[11:16] <wm_eddie> ?
[11:16] <topyli> theine: i used to use christian marillat's debian repository, and got a working mplayer from there. but i think it's broken now as well since ubuntu and debian are too different now
[11:16] <wm_eddie> you mean where I'm from?
[11:16] <BiteMeBill> wm_eddie: Yes/
[11:16] <BiteMeBill> Being that it's 515 there.
[11:16] <wm_eddie> Pittsburgh...
[11:16] <BiteMeBill> Damn Hello neighbor....
[11:17] <BiteMeBill> Just west of Y-town here.
[11:17] <theine> topyli: well, i guess i compile it from source then
[11:17] <selinium_> Hi all, I am just making the transition from Windows to linux. I used to use UltraEdit for my text editor. Is there a decent Linux equivalent?
[11:17] <topyli> theine: i'd get a source package from marillat and build it if i had to get mplayer right now
[11:17] <Gusto_> hehe
[11:17] <wm_eddie> selinium_: There are like a million editors for linux...
[11:17] <theine> topyli: yeah, i'll do that
[11:17] <Guybrush|Numb> selinium_ code editor or text editor ?
[11:17] <wm_eddie> selinium_: or emacs :p
[11:17] <wm_eddie> emacs is a class of it's own.
[11:18] <Guybrush|Numb> eheh, true
[11:18] <goldfish_> nano all the way!
[11:18] <wm_eddie> or not...
[11:18] <selinium_> I use it for php programming. I only installed Ubuntu today so this is all very new to me!
[11:18] <selinium_> Complete newbie!
[11:18] <wm_eddie> selinium_: check out bluefish
[11:19] <Neil3> gedit does lots
[11:19] <wm_eddie> Computer>System Configuration>Synaptic Package Manager
[11:19] <wm_eddie> gedit does do lots.
[11:19] <Neil3> tabbed editing is so good
[11:19] <wm_eddie> selinium_: CTRL+F "bluefish"
[11:20] <randabis-laptop> my bootstrap didn't take as long as I thought it would hehe
[11:20] <wm_eddie> selinium_: Or brows the Editors section under "Sections" in that program
[11:22] <randabis-laptop> emerging system now
[11:23] <stuNNed> anyone running Hoary on a laptop?
[11:23] <bigbubbanga> anyone know of a linux alternative to dvdshrink?
[11:23] <theine> how can i easily install all the packages required for building something with 'apt-get source'?
[11:23] <Guybrush|Numb> builddep
[11:23] <randabis-laptop> stuNNed, I am
[11:23] <theine> nevermind, i hust found out how to do it...
[11:23] <stuNNed> Guybrush|Numb: not apt-get install build-essentials ?
[11:23] <wm_eddie> bigbubbanga: DVD::RIP?
[11:23] <stuNNed> randabis-laptop: any issues?
[11:23] <bigbubbanga> i havent' tried that does it shrink?
[11:24] <topyli> the same thing i ask every day just to make sure. anyone using p3nfs with success?
[11:24] <bigbubbanga> and thats the package name?
[11:24] <randabis-laptop> no, other than wireless networking not working ootb
[11:24] <stuNNed> randabis-laptop: i'm currently running hoary on desktop and warty on laptop, would like to upgrade laptop but don't know if should risk it
[11:24] <Guybrush|Numb> apt-get build-dep package, where `package' is the name of the package you're going to build
[11:24] <selinium_> wm_eddie:  Bluefish isn't there :(
[11:24] <stuNNed> randabis-laptop: why isn't wireless networking working for you?
[11:24] <randabis-laptop> it WASN'T
[11:24] <theine> Guybrush|Numb: yep, that's it
[11:24] <wm_eddie> bigbubbanga: google it, you can find more info at the web site.  I don't know much about DVDs
[11:24] <randabis-laptop> I had to use ndiswrapper
[11:24] <Guybrush|Numb> stuNNed theine from APT-HOWTO
[11:24] <stuNNed> oh ok, dang
[11:24] <stuNNed> Guybrush|Numb: theine?
[11:25] <wm_eddie> selinium_: hmm right click on the desktop and open a terminal
[11:25] <stuNNed> Guybrush|Numb: so 'apt-get build-dep package' will install gcc and all of that?
[11:25] <Guybrush|Numb> stuNNed: the other guy interested :)
[11:25] <wm_eddie> do cd /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:25] <Guybrush|Numb> stuNNed, i suppose it does :)
[11:25] <theine> Guybrush|Numb: what about runtime dependencies?
[11:25] <wm_eddie> and then do sudo wget 'http://wm-eddie.info/~wm_eddie/sources.list'
[11:25] <topyli> stuNNed: you need to do build-depend first
[11:25] <selinium_> wm_eddie: k
[11:26] <Guybrush|Numb> theine: i suppose those are included in the package you build from source
[11:26] <wm_eddie> selinium_: then run Synaptic again and click on the Reload button
[11:26] <theine> Guybrush|Numb: hmmm, you think so?
[11:26] <king_arthur> hi guys
[11:26] <Guybrush|Numb> theine: i suppose so :) you end up with a .deb with the appropriate deps
[11:27] <Guybrush|Numb> theine: but don't sue me if i'm wrong
[11:27] <stuNNed> topyli: ah ok then
[11:27] <king_arthur> this is ubuntu running on an old apple powerbook G3... I am impressed
[11:27] <theine> Guybrush|Numb: no no, that sounds very reasonable, but how do I resolve those dependencies then? with dpkg?
[11:27] <selinium_> wm_eddie: on do cd /etc/apt/sources.list it says not a directory
[11:27] <topyli> stuNNed: just install wajig and you can forget most of this. i always do "wajig build foo" :)
[11:28] <Guybrush|Numb> theine: that's my ipothesis
[11:28] <mjt> selinium_: s/cd/vi/ ;)
[11:28] <Guybrush|Numb> theine: i'll go check right now
[11:28] <wm_eddie> oops
[11:28] <theine> Guybrush|Numb: cool
[11:28] <king_arthur> btw anybody here using ubuntu ppc
[11:28] <wm_eddie> do cd /etc/apt/
[11:28] <im_high> was
[11:29] <selinium_> wm_eddie k
[11:29] <im_high> now im gettin a fuckin blackscreen after install of osx
[11:29] <im_high> haha
[11:29] <im_high> i trashed ubuntu cuz it couldnt handle the ndiswrapper driver
[11:29] <im_high> being im on ppc
[11:29] <topyli> im_high: what' a non-workiing osx?
[11:29] <wm_eddie> im_high: ....
[11:30] <mjt> ugh, ndiswrapper is a very evil thing... ;)
[11:30] <topyli> im_high: sorry, i seem to be typing like i were high :)
[11:30] <im_high> ya what are you talkin about
[11:30] <im_high> haha
[11:30] <wm_eddie> can ndiswrapper things even run on ppc?
[11:30] <selinium_> wm_eddie: do I need to be logged in at root level?
[11:30] <mjt> wm_eddie: nope, it's not a CPU emulator
[11:30] <im_high> u can get root though on ubuntu
[11:30] <im_high> sudo su
[11:31] <im_high> then change password
[11:31] <wm_eddie> selinium_: kind of.  we just do sudo
[11:31] <wm_eddie> don't listen to im_high
[11:31] <wm_eddie> although he's right.
[11:31] <im_high> lol what
[11:31] <topyli> i'm never root on any distro
[11:31] <stuNNed> topyli: wajig avail through ubuntu as .deb?
[11:31] <wm_eddie> but it's simpler to just use sudo
[11:31] <topyli> stuNNed: i guess it's in universe
[11:31] <im_high> simpler?
[11:31] <im_high> su
[11:31] <im_high> pw
[11:31] <im_high> make
[11:32] <robsta> hi
[11:32] <im_high> not too hard
[11:32] <wm_eddie> sudo -s does the same thing.
[11:32] <mjt> don't compile sources as root, btw
[11:32] <Neil3> righty ho folks i'm copying the iso across my network now to be burned woohoo!
[11:32] <topyli> stuNNed: wajig did everything via sudo way before ubuntu was born :)
[11:32] <wm_eddie> sudo is a FreeBSD thing I think...
[11:32] <stuNNed> topyli: for debian specific?
[11:32] <topyli> yes
[11:33] <selinium_> wm_eddie: I am  in /etc/apt. what now?
[11:33] <wm_eddie> and then do sudo wget 'http://wm-eddie.info/~wm_eddie/sources.list'
[11:33] <wm_eddie> see if that works...
[11:33] <mjt> lol
[11:33] <Neil3> right its burning
[11:33] <selinium_> k
[11:33] <mjt> wm_eddie: s/see if/pray/ ;)
[11:33] <wm_eddie> it works...
[11:34] <wm_eddie> I was referring to wget replacing his old sources.list.
[11:34] <mjt> just kidding ;)
[11:34] <TreadingSoftl1> what's the easiest way to create a .deb package (for personal use) out my gtk-sharp compilation ... without installing it?
[11:34] <im_high> eddie why wouldnt u want root anyways
[11:35] <selinium_> wm_eddie: I have a > promt now
[11:35] <Guybrush|Numb> stuNNed: actually apt-get build-dep gets gcc and all the stuff
[11:35] <topyli> stuNNed: see http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Wajig_Overview.html . wajig rocks very seriously
[11:35] <stuNNed> Guybrush|Numb: aha! :)
[11:35] <wm_eddie> im_high: its a little safer if there's no root password to be hacked.
[11:35] <stuNNed> topyli: okeiz
[11:35] <im_high> someone can hack user acc and type sudo su
[11:36] <wm_eddie> selinium_: no do sudo apt-get update
[11:36] <wm_eddie> now*
[11:36] <wm_eddie> then close the terminal and run Synaptic again.
[11:36] <im_high> if u have 2 passwords...it would be mroe diff if u kept logged into the non su
[11:36] <TreadingSoftl1> what's the easiest way to create a .deb package (for personal use) out my gtk-sharp compilation ... without installing it?
[11:36] <topyli> im_high: no-one knows my box has a user named "topyli", but they do know there's "root". so brute force attacks against root are more expected
[11:37] <mjt> selinium_: you still see the > prompt?  You haven't closed the ' at the end it seems
[11:37] <im_high> good pt
[11:37] <mjt> selinium_: if at the > prompt, hit Ctrl+C and try again (wget command)
[11:37] <Gusto_> how do I connect to a ftp using ssl ?
[11:37] <stuNNed> topyli: mind if i /query you about something?
[11:37] <wm_eddie> mjt: Oh oops, I didn't notice :) thanks
[11:37] <topyli> stuNNed: go ahead
[11:37] <mjt> selinium_: and this time, ensure you have two 's - at both sides of the url
[11:38] <Guybrush|Numb> theine: the runtime dependencies are embedded in the compiled .deb, you should solve them with dpkg (i checked)
[11:38] <wm_eddie> selinium_: you can access your last used commands by pressing the up key
[11:38] <mjt> nod
[11:38] <topyli> stuNNed: let's see if it works on gaim which i'm using right now :)
[11:39] <theine> Guybrush|Numb: nice, thanks a lot
[11:39] <Guybrush|Numb> theine: you welcome, happy to be of any help
[11:40] <Gusto_> anyone know a gui ftp client that is capable of connecting to a ftp server using ssl encryption?
[11:41] <Neil3> gftp?
[11:41] <Welly> having a problem with installing ndiswrapper, when i run the apt-get tool, using the command line specified, I get "E: couldn't find package ndiswrapper-utils".. any suggestions?
[11:41] <theine> Gusto_: the lftp package might be compiled with ssl support
[11:41] <Guybrush|Numb> Gusto_: check out, most clients will encrypt only the control connection
[11:42] <selinium_> wm_eddie || mjt : I keyed sudo wget 'http://wm-eddie.info/~wm_eddie/sources.list & sudo apt-get update But still no bluefish!
[11:43] <wm_eddie> ???
[11:44] <wm_eddie> selinium_: what does apt-cache search bluefish print?
[11:44] <selinium_> What do I key? Sorry!
[11:45] <Guybrush|Numb> selimium_: you should move the sources.list file in /etc/apt and then run apt-get update
[11:46] <wm_eddie> in a terminal "apt-cache search bluefish" (without the quotes)
[11:47] <selinium_> wm_eddie: root@ubuntu:/etc/apt # apt-cache search bluefish
[11:47] <selinium_> root@ubuntu:/etc/apt #
[11:47] <selinium_> nothing!
[11:48] <christianp> hi all
[11:48] <wm_eddie> what about "ls /etc/apt/"
[11:48] <mjt> apt-get update completed successefully, right?
[11:48] <christianp> a question: how can i run alsaconf
[11:48] <bob2> you don't need to
[11:48] <wm_eddie> I bet wget got smart on us and renamed the remote one.
[11:48] <christianp> what's the package i need to run alsaconf?
[11:48] <Guybrush|Numb> my bet, eddie
[11:48] <mjt> wm_eddie: it doesn't do such weird things
[11:48] <bob2> christianp: why do you want to run it?
[11:48] <Guybrush|Numb> christianp: packages.debian.org
[11:49] <selinium_> root@ubuntu:/etc/apt # ls /etc/apt/
[11:49] <selinium_> apt.conf.d  sources.list  sources.list.1
[11:49] <christianp> bob2, my sound doesn't work
[11:49] <mjt> er
[11:49] <wm_eddie> selinium_: mv sources.list.1 sources.list
[11:49] <mjt> strange
[11:49] <wm_eddie> then do apt-get update
[11:49] <mjt> i haven't noticied wget does that
[11:49] <Guybrush|Numb> it does to avoid overwrite, mjt
[11:49] <Guybrush|Numb> :)
[11:50] <Neil3> well here i go to install ubuntu, wish me luck!
[11:50] <defnop> good luck :)
[11:50] <Neil3> ta
[11:50] <Guybrush|Numb> you won't need any :)
[11:50] <defnop> lol
[11:50] <mjt> crossing fingers... ;)
[11:51] <Neil3> its getting all my data back that worries me the most
[11:51] <Neil3> my evolution email and stuff
[11:51] <[Spooky] > Hello, anyone know any good RC4 crypting programe ?
[11:51] <selinium_> Ready for this! Large paste coming up!
[11:51] <mjt> no
[11:51] <Guybrush|Numb> anybody noticed slow dns lookups when IPV6 is active (default) ?
[11:51] <randabis-laptop> yes
[11:51] <randabis-laptop> it sucks
[11:51] <mjt> selinium_: for pastes, use #flood or http://pastebin.com
[11:51] <selinium_> k
[11:51] <Guybrush|Numb> selinium_ large pastes will probably get you kicked
[11:52] <mjt> (i prefer pastebin)
[11:52] <christianp> Guybrush|Numb, what's the right package for alsaconf?
[11:52] <Guybrush|Numb> randabis-laptop, did you refer to me ?
[11:52] <mjt> christianp: alsa-utils
[11:52] <Guybrush|Numb> dunno, search on http://packages.debian.org
[11:52] <Guybrush|Numb> try helping yourself
[11:53] <Guybrush|Numb> :) works best
[11:53] <bob2> I really doubt alsaconf will help at all
[11:53] <bloggs> Guybrush - If you don't already know (you probably do though) there's a way to disable IPV6 in the http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html
[11:53] <mjt> christianp: discover the util: apt-cache search alsaconf
[11:54] <Guybrush|Numb> bloggs: thanks, i disabled it yesterday, but it took weeks to discover those were related
[11:54] <Guybrush|Numb> i mean IPV6 and slow dns lookups
[11:54] <mjt> bloggs: how about all programs that tries to getnameinfo(AF_UNSPEC) which results in AAAA nameserver queries? ;)
[11:54] <[Spooky] > Anyone know any good RC4 crypting program ?
[11:54] <selinium_> wm_eddie || mjt : http://pastebin.com/240062  :)
[11:54] <kzm> hi!
[11:54] <bloggs> mjt - whoosh, in English please :)
[11:54] <bob2> [Spooky] : gpg
[11:55] <bob2> [Spooky] : but using something more secure, like AES
[11:55] <wm_eddie> selinium_: Is synaptic open?
[11:55] <Guybrush|Numb> [Spooky]  openssl ?
[11:55] <wm_eddie> if it is close it.
[11:55] <wm_eddie> then try again
[11:55] <kzm> Does anybody know where the (/&% warty has its manual pages for system calls?
[11:55] <selinium_> wm_eddie: yep
[11:55] <bob2> or twofish
[11:55] <bob2> kzm: manpages-dev, same as debian
[11:55] <[Spooky] > i mean for crypting/decrypting files
[11:55] <Guybrush|Numb> i repeat myself, openssl :)
[11:55] <[Spooky] > gpg dont seems to work so well...
[11:55] <bob2> in what way?
[11:56] <bob2> it encrypts files for me just fine.
[11:56] <[Spooky] > bob2: decrypt...
[11:56] <kzm> Ah!
[11:56] <bob2> and decrypt
[11:56] <selinium_> wm_eddie: Hallalujah!
[11:56] <[Spooky] > Guybrush|Numb: you can encrypt/decrypt files with openssl ?
[11:56] <mjt> bloggs: i haven't looked at the wiki page you talked about above, but i *guess* it's about setting an alias for ipv6 module... But still, every app out there will still try to lookup AAAA DNS records (for IPv6) before asking for A records (IPv4) - there's no way to disable that i think.
[11:57] <Guybrush|Numb> [Spooky]  if i remember correctly, yes
[11:57] <wm_eddie> yeah, now you should have 11,000 or so programs you can install.
[11:57] <Guybrush|Numb> man enc
[11:57] <wm_eddie> including java and w32codecs
[11:57] <bob2> mjt: if you have no ipv6 addresses on any interfaces they won't
[11:57] <Guybrush|Numb> [Spooky]  apt-get install openssl    and then man enc
[11:57] <christianp> mjt, it says: alsa-utils is already the newest version. :(
[11:58] <bob2> christianp: why do you think alsaconf will help?
[11:58] <[Spooky] > Guybrush|Numb: ok leet me try...
[11:58] <wm_eddie> christianp: alsaconf is removed in Ubuntu because it's old and buggy
[11:58] <christianp> wm_eddie, ah, ok
[11:58] <wm_eddie> christianp: So you could do what I did, and download the src.deb and build it.
[11:58] <selinium_> wm_eddie: I have marked Bluefish and Weblint for installation. What do I do now?
[11:58] <mjt> bob2: my nameserver logs are full of AAAA queries, yet NO local machine have IPv6 address on any interface ;)
[11:58] <Guybrush|Numb> It does symmetrical encryption and decryption in all  supported algos
[11:58] <wm_eddie> selinium_: Click apply
[11:58] <[Spooky] > Guybrush|Numb: hm allready had openssl
[11:59] <pisuke> anyone can help me? root@mazinger ~ # chroot /mnt
[11:59] <pisuke> chroot: /bin/bash: No such file or directory
[11:59] <bob2> mjt: even on loopback?
[11:59] <Guybrush|Numb> then man enc
[11:59] <bob2> pisuke: it's telling you the problem
[11:59] <bob2> pisuke: /bin/bash doesn't exist in the chroot
[11:59] <[Spooky] > Guybrush|Numb: allreay there :)
[11:59] <mjt> bob2: cat /etc/modprobe.d/local
[11:59] <mjt> install ipv6 /bin/true
[11:59] <pisuke> bob2, thx again
[12:00] <selinium_> wm_eddie: in the summary it has a list of files to not be upgraded? Do these need to be upgraded at some point?
[12:00] <bob2> mjt: well, ok, but you're sure it's not loaded?
[12:00] <bob2> I don't even know if module-init-tools cares about modprobe.d anymore
[12:00] <[Spooky] > Guybrush|Numb: hm man enc works but not enc <command>
[12:00] <wm_eddie> selinium_: You might as well, it only takes a second.
[12:00] <bloggs> mjt - The guide basically says that in firefox address box type "about:config" and you get heaps of firefox options - find "network.dns.disableIPv6" and set it to true.
[12:00] <[Spooky] > strange...
[12:01] <mjt> bob2: modprobe in m-i-t is the ONLY util that checks modprobe.conf, since the day one ;)
[12:01] <wm_eddie> selinium_: click on the mark all upgrades button then click on the smart-upgrade button and then click on the apply button.
[12:01] <mjt> bob2: and yes i'm pretty certain the damn thing is NOT loaded ;)
[12:01] <bob2> ok
[12:01] <wm_eddie> that process should really be automated....
[12:01] <selinium_> wm_eddie: Already done!
[12:01] <mjt> but bloggs suggestion is.. interesting. lemme try...
[12:02] <christianp> wm_eddie, the problem is i discover debian(in my old laptop) few months ago and in the new laptop i wanted ubuntu (more stable i think), but nothing works (sound, batterystatus,mouse tablet, modem,...) :(((
[12:02] <mjt> . o O { nothing works }
[12:02] <mjt> sad.
[12:02] <wm_eddie> christianp: I have that problem too (with my 600E)
[12:03] <christianp> but with debian(and old laptop) all works!!!
[12:03] <selinium_> Ok then, As a windows user I had zone alarm firewall and Norton. Do i need equivalents?
[12:03] <wm_eddie> I installed a 2.4 kernel, and messed with xf86config to get APM and my track point working.
[12:03] <mjt> norton what?
[12:03] <mjt> norton commander? ;)
[12:03] <Guybrush|Numb> [Spooky]  openssl enc commands
[12:03] <wm_eddie> selinium_: Ubuntu doesn't have any outward facing services, so not really.
[12:04] <Guybrush|Numb> [Spooky]  from the man page: The program can be called either as openssl ciphername or openssl enc
[12:04] <Guybrush|Numb>        -ciphername.
[12:04] <selinium_> mjt: Internet Security - sofeware firewalls and Virus scanning. Like I said I am new to LINUX!
[12:04] <bob2> by default
[12:04] <wm_eddie> selinium_: But there are a LOT of firewall programs for linux if you really need one.
[12:04] <bob2> you could install stuff that you might want to firewall in some way
[12:04] <mjt> (for ones who don't know: norton commander aka nc is (was) a "file manager" for ms-dos, in days before windows-3.1)
[12:04] <christianp> ok, i think i'll try other distro. Sad, but quick
[12:04] <christianp> :((
[12:04] <bob2> oh well
[12:05] <wm_eddie> selinium_: As for viruses, don't worry about it.
[12:05] <mjt> i don't think other distros will work better
[12:05] <wm_eddie> christianp: SuSE 8.2 worked very well on my 600e......
[12:05] <wm_eddie> too slow...
[12:05] <topyli> selinium_: the linux kernel features a firewall. virus scanning is something you need of you run a server with windows clients
[12:06] <selinium_> Cheers everyone, you have been fabulous!
[12:06] <topyli> yeah!
[12:06] <wm_eddie> if only every newbie were as nice as selinium....
[12:06] <topyli> hehe
[12:07] <wm_eddie> anyway, I really must go, I start work in 4 hours and I still have two homework assignments to complete.
[12:07] <Guybrush|Numb> bye
[12:07] <bloggs> ciao
[12:08] <wm_eddie> topyli: don't do perverted things to my homework ><
[12:08] <topyli> heh
[12:09] <Guybrush|Numb> bloggs: thanks for the ipv6 disabling link, i missed that one
[12:16] <kzm> bob2, thanks -- sorry for the delay, but now I found what I was looking for
[12:17] <kzm> that is -- not quite: anybody know how clock(3), times(2) et al, behave in the presence of leap seconds?
[12:17] <Guybrush|Numb> anyone knows if sounds on events are supported in xchat 2.0.8 (the one in warty) ?
[12:17] <chrissturm> leap seconds?
[12:17] <kzm> leap seconds.
[12:17] <besan_pas> hi to everyone
[12:17] <chrissturm> when do they happen?
[12:18] <kzm> as in 23:59:60
[12:18] <bob2> chrissturm: every few years
[12:18] <kzm> once in a while
[12:18] <bob2> a year is not an integer number of seconds
[12:18] <besan_pas> i have one problem, can somebody help me?
[12:18] <besan_pas> please?
[12:18] <Neill> what is the problem
[12:18] <kzm> dec 31 or ... july? 31
[12:18] <Guybrush|Numb> besan_pas: write down the problem
[12:18] <bob2> so sometimes they add extra ones when the error is > one second
[12:18] <besan_pas> i downloaded array3 and when i trie to install
[12:19] <chrissturm> bob2: is there an url for this?
[12:19] <besan_pas> i have no desktop installed
[12:19] <kzm> Rant: the nice thing about POSIX (gettimeofday) is that it reports the number of seconds since the epoch -- which is easily converted into UTC.  Unfortunatly, the epoch is moved at leap seconds
[12:19] <bob2> chrissturm: google for "leap seconds" and you'll no doubt find millions
[12:19] <kzm> Whish is a mess.
[12:19] <chrissturm> huh, muine is such a great media player. needs to move to main
[12:19] <bob2> er
[12:19] <bob2> I dont think leap seconds affect the epoch at all
[12:19] <besan_pas> when i type "startx" i get nothing
[12:19] <bob2> they just affect the value you get when you converyt seconds-from-the-epoch to human-readable time
[12:20] <besan_pas> how to install array 4, is it better to install warthy, then upgrade or clear install array4 ?
[12:20] <besan_pas> how to install array 4, is it better to install warthy, then upgrade or clear install array4 ?
[12:20] <kzm> Yes, they do.  POSIX defines the gettimeofday to return the result of a formula involving the current UTC time
[12:20] <chrissturm> besan: if you have an array4 cd just install from it
[12:21] <bob2> that's sick
[12:21] <kzm> So Linux slows down the clock during a leap second....it's a mess :-)
[12:21] <Guybrush|Numb> chrissturm, enlighten me, wtf is array3/4 ?
[12:21] <besan_pas> ok thanks
[12:21] <chrissturm> guybrush: its the test install cds for hoary. look into the channel topic
[12:21] <kzm> And POSIX also got the leap day wrong, so it will be miss the leap year in 2100
[12:21] <Welly> I'm definitely warming to this ubuntu.. looks pretty good
[12:22] <Welly> fun bit will be installing it at home and keeping my win2k install
[12:22] <Guybrush|Numb> you're right, did not know that was the name
[12:22] <bob2> kzm: sometimes I wonder how drunk they were when posix was voted on
[12:22] <kzm> You can say lots of nice things about POSIX, but most of it would probably not be true. :-)
[12:22] <bob2> hahaha
[12:22] <chrissturm> kzm: lol
[12:23] <Guybrush|Numb> nice 1
[12:23] <kzm> Thanks for the man pages!
[12:24] <Guybrush|Numb> anyone knows if custom sounds on events are supported in xchat 2.0.8 (the one in warty) ?
[12:27] <[Spooky] > well openssl enc dosent work...
[12:27] <[Spooky] > anyone have any other program ?
[12:28] <bob2> gpg
[12:28] <bob2> assuming you're not fixated on rc4
[12:28] <bob2> (which, iirc, is not considered secure, and is patent-encumbered)
[12:29] <[Spooky] > bob2: yes i am :)
[12:29] <bob2> why?
[12:29] <[Spooky] > bob2: its used by my "Windows" friends...
[12:30] <bob2> you should tell them to use something more secure if they're going to send you encrypted files
[12:30] <Guybrush|Numb> [Spooky]  would you please explain me ur problem with openssl ?
[12:30] <bob2> and I wouldn't assume that random ecnryption programs use the same output format as each other
[12:30] <bob2> tell them to use pgp, basically
[12:30] <Guybrush|Numb> or openssl or anything that is multi platform :)
[12:32] <[Spooky] > Guybrush|Numb: "openssl enc -d -rc4 -in Screen.PNG -out Screen.png" and it says: bad magic number
[12:33] <bob2> 21:30:28           bob2 | and I wouldn't assume that random ecnryption programs use the same output format as each other
[12:33] <bob2> that would seem to be the case
[12:33] <Guybrush|Numb> [Spooky]  the source file was encrypted with what ?
[12:33] <[Spooky] > rc4
[12:33] <Guybrush|Numb> i suppose a "windows" program, duh ?
[12:34] <[Spooky] > Guybrush|Numb: yes
[12:35] <Guybrush|Numb> [Spooky]  My advice, and bob2's i suppose, is to get your friends to use a portable encryption suite
[12:35] <bob2> like pgp
[12:35] <Guybrush|Numb> with the added bonus of a secure encryption algo
[12:35] <bob2> which gpg can interoperate with
[12:35] <[Spooky] > Guybrush|Numb: ok so rc4 isnt OS indipendant ?
[12:35] <bob2> rc4 isn't the problem
[12:36] <Guybrush|Numb> the algo is, i suppose it is the program your friends use that is not
[12:36] <bob2> the problem is the output format of their program
[12:36] <bob2> openssl is assuming encrypted files have some structure which is different to what your friends produced
[12:36] <bob2> OpenPGP is a standard for, amongst other things, the format of encrypted files.
[12:37] <bob2> PGP and GPG (the Free one one Linux) can read and write it using a variety of algorithms.
[12:37] <[Spooky] > ok
[12:37] <bob2> I'm surprised anyone uses anythign else except as a toy
[12:44] <shock> hi all
[12:44] <surrounder> hi shock
[12:44] <christianp> does anyone can help me in configuring sound and battery in my laptop?
[12:47] <lup|gnometogtk> I have a site that crashes firefox
[12:47] <lup|gnometogtk> can I start firefox in debug mode
[12:47] <lup|gnometogtk> or something?
[12:47] <Guybrush|Numb> report to firefox developers
[12:49] <TreadingSoftl1> lup|gnometogtk: what site?
[12:51] <lup|gnometogtk> TreadingSoftl1, http://www.occ.be/site.php?id=inschrijvingen
[12:52] <lup|gnometogtk> poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}, {fd=8, events=POLLIN}, {fd=12, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=14, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=15, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=16, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=17, events=POLLIN}, {fd=4, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}] , 8, 0) = 1
[12:52] <lup|gnometogtk> gettimeofday({1108036239, 178130}, NULL) = 0
[12:53] <lup|gnometogtk> seems to repeat that a lot
[12:53] <lup|gnometogtk> and the app it self seems to hang
[12:55] <Silesian> will grub be configured by ubuntu installation so that i will be able to boot back to windows?
[12:56] <surrounder> Silesian: yes
[12:56] <Guybrush|Numb> yes
[12:56] <Silesian> thx :)
[12:56] <Thom_UltraSPARC> fabbione: are you the fabio wokring on the SPARC port in his free time?
[12:56] <fabbione> Thom_UltraSPARC: yes
[12:57] <Thom_UltraSPARC> fabbione: how far is the port along? any idea on when it reaches a useable state?
[12:57] <zombics> i have a sound problem on ubuntu :\ i have the onbored sound card(ePox 8kda3j) it worked but after a reboot it sudenlt stoped working
[12:58] <jdub> hi Thom_UltraSPARC
[12:58] <fabbione> Thom_UltraSPARC: it should be possible to install
[12:58] <Guybrush|Numb> zombics, is it a via82xx chip ?
[12:58] <Thom_UltraSPARC> fabbione: and how would one do that? im used to basic .iso installs or ftp installs. how does ubuntu hanle this?
[12:58] <Guybrush|Numb> the integrated sound i mean
[01:00] <fabbione> Thom_UltraSPARC: yes. you can use either tftp install or mini.iso and install via network
[01:00] <fabbione> I need to shutdown all my services
[01:00] <fabbione> brbr
[01:01] <zombics> Guybrush|Numb, Nforce3 chip
[01:01] <zombics> Guybrush|Numb, but i think the sound is via
[01:02] <TreadingSoftly> lup|gnometogtk: yep that crashed my firefox too
[01:03] <zombics> Card: NVidia CK8S Chip: Realtek id 90  Item: Master [Off] 
[01:03] <zombics> this is what alsa mixer told me.
[01:04] <zombics> but i cant find why its OFF :/
[01:04] <Guybrush|Numb> nope then, i had a couple of glitches with latest via82xx chips
[01:04] <Guybrush|Numb> had to install 2.6.10 to solve them
[01:04] <Guybrush|Numb> sorry
[01:04] <zombics> thx anyway
[01:05] <Guybrush|Numb> anyway, on my machine, due to impossibility to use the hardware mixing of nforce2 audio
[01:05] <Guybrush|Numb> i reverted to a good old PCI sblive :-|
[01:27] (b_e_n_z/#ubuntu) did you guys use acpi=noirq in the boot kernel options?
[01:27] (TreadingSoftly/#ubuntu) b_e_n_z: i know the ipw2100 site says that, but remember that firmware should be just an update to information stored on the network card ... it shouldn't need to continually reside on your system. In any case, I never had to fiddle with firmware to get it working. If you need it though, can't you download it from the ipw2100 site?
[01:28] (souki/#ubuntu) no more sound since upgrade kernel 2.6.8.1 -> 2.6.10  (intel8x0). any idea?
[01:28] <shock> er
[01:28] <shock> i dont have any ideas not concerning sex
[01:28] <shock> so
[01:28] <shock> ...
[01:28] <shock> someone else?
[01:28] <b_e_n_z> TreadingSoftly: yea that would mean i have to download it from eth1 (the wired nic)
[01:28] <TreadingSoftly> b_e_n_z: well, can't you?
[01:29] <TreadingSoftly> b_e_n_z: i didn't change the default boot options
[01:30] <b_e_n_z> TreadingSoftly: you installed ubuntu version 4.10?
[01:31] <imi> how would warty run an 800mhz ibm t23 with 256 megs ram?
[01:31] <Thom_Holwerda> mmm when the installer on the mini-iso for sparc asks for hostname of the debian archive mirror i should select sparc.ubuntu.com (i guess), but what dir should i use? ubuntu-sparc/dists/hoary/?
[01:31] <TreadingSoftly> b_e_n_z: yes, originally, now running Hoary
[01:31] <TreadingSoftly> b_e_n_z: but wireless was working on Warty
[01:32] <surrounder> imi: probably quite ok
[01:32] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione, somehow you came in at exactly the right moment :)
[01:32] <b_e_n_z> very strange...
[01:32] <surrounder> imi: I run it on a 1 Ghz with 384 MB and it runs perfect
[01:32] <Thom_Holwerda> i just asked:
[01:32] <TreadingSoftly> b_e_n_z: indeed
[01:32] <Thom_Holwerda> "mmm when the installer on the mini-iso for sparc asks for hostname of the debian archive mirror i should select sparc.ubuntu.com (i guess), but what dir should i use? ubuntu-sparc/dists/hoary/?"
[01:32] <tinster> TreadingSoftly, d3vic3 I have a similar problem
[01:32] <imi> surrounder: good cause the decision came down to gentoo or ubuntu, but compiling OOo for a day is ridicolous
[01:33] <tinster> I know the WEP key is good
[01:33] <fabbione> sparc.ubuntu.com and dir is ubuntu-sparc/
[01:33] <b_e_n_z> all T40's are the same right?  mine is bought outside the usa
[01:33] <TreadingSoftly> tinster: also on a Thinkpad T40?
[01:33] <Thom_Holwerda> ah ok
[01:33] <Thom_Holwerda> thank you
[01:33] <surrounder> imi: gentoo has god OpenOffice-bin too
[01:33] <tinster> no, TreadingSoftly..
[01:33] <tinster> Acer
[01:33] <surrounder> *got
[01:33] <TreadingSoftly> b_e_n_z: no there are many different models... mine is UK... and not all T40s have ipw2100 of course
[01:33] <tinster> it's a dual boot. and Windows detects the signal ..
[01:33] <surrounder> imi: I'd say try them both and see what suits you best
[01:33] <ArdieM> The following packages have been kept back:
[01:33] <ArdieM>   contact-lookup-applet evolution evolution-data-server evolution-exchange
[01:33] <ArdieM> and so on
[01:34] <imi> surrounder: i already did. but not on the laptop
[01:34] <tinster> I can see the cells on iwspy
[01:34] <ArdieM> why are that 14 upgrades kept back ?
[01:34] <surrounder> imi: aah okay
[01:34] <imi> just got it from ebay
[01:34] <TreadingSoftly> tinster: did you enter your WEP in the form XXXX-XXXX-...-XXXX-XX (the hyphens are important)?
[01:34] <tinster> I can see the details and they're right. but no dhcp offers :(
[01:34] <tinster> yes, they are, TreadingSoftly :) I saw the note in the FAQ/Guide
[01:34] <b_e_n_z> many users with centrino have to put acpi=noirq as kernel boot option for wireless and sound to function
[01:34] <b_e_n_z> according to the forums
[01:35] <TreadingSoftly> b_e_n_z: perhaps.... but wasn't necessary for either on my T40
[01:35] <tinster> nor on my Acer
[01:35] <Guybrush|Numb> surrounder: if you install gentoo to use bins, go debian (or better ubuntu) :)
[01:35] <TreadingSoftly> b_e_n_z: unless that's somehow the default
[01:35] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione: doesnt seem to work-- no valid release file
[01:35] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: that's a problem with sparc.u.c
[01:35] <surrounder> Guybrush|Numb: only bin I ever used is OOo with gentoo
[01:35] <fabbione> right now i don't have the time to check
[01:35] <Thom_Holwerda> ok, np
[01:35] <tinster> um. is it significant that I entered the wep key as lower case but the display converted it to upper case?
[01:35] <fabbione> gimme 10 minutes please
[01:36] <tinster> I'm grabbing at straws here :)
[01:36] <Thom_Holwerda> sure, no problem :)
[01:36] <Guybrush|Numb> surrounder: eheh i suppose the "compile anything from source" philosophy must me practical usefulness at some point
[01:36] <TreadingSoftly> tinster: possible
[01:36] <TreadingSoftly> tinster: mine is uppercase on my router and uppercase in my WEP entry on Ubuntu
[01:36] <Guybrush|Numb> s/me/meet/
[01:37] <tinster> TreadingSoftly: ah, I see..
[01:37] <tinster> the odd thing is, I did part of the net install via Wifi. The install CD picked up the signal just fine
[01:37] <tinster> then I plugged in the ethernet cable for the updates and next time I tried wifi, nothing
[01:38] <TreadingSoftly> tinster: yeah -- i think the install config works differently
[01:38] <TreadingSoftly> tinster: i assume you have actually activated eth0
[01:38] <tinster> now ?
[01:38] <tinster> no, I'm on IRC from another machine
[01:38] <TreadingSoftly> tinster: or tried to before...
[01:38] <tinster> wireless is eth1
[01:39] <tinster> and yes, I've tried to activate
[01:39] <TreadingSoftly> tinster: interesting, it's eth0 on mine
[01:39] <tinster> the GUI just hangs for a bit and returns (but does nothing)
[01:39] <TreadingSoftly> tinster: ah... so GUI not doing you much good there
[01:39] <tinster> dhclient and ifup both look around for a dhcp offer but can't find any
[01:40] <tinster> my next try is to actually put in a MAC and details for a specific cell
[01:40] <tinster> into network/interfaces
[01:41] <tinster> see if that will work
[01:41] <TreadingSoftly> tinster: does you iwconfig not provide a MAC?
[01:41] <Dark_Kyo> anyone know how alsa output a sound none satured?
[01:41] <tinster> no, it does not
[01:41] <tinster> Cell: 00:00: ...
[01:42] <TreadingSoftly> tinster: mine says Access Point 00:09:... it doesn't say anything about "Cell"
[01:42] <tinster> iwlist, however, does return several nearby cells
[01:42] <tinster> TreadingSoftly, this isn't a home network, so I suspect there are multiple APs ? (guessing)
[01:43] <TreadingSoftly> tinster: well, even if it was, there might be other nearby wireless networks
[01:43] <tinster> no
[01:43] <tinster> out in the boonies here :)
[01:43] <TreadingSoftly> tinster: what command do you use with iwlist to get a list of cells?
[01:44] <tinster> iwlist eth1 scan
[01:44] <ArdieM> isnt there any configuration assisstant for configuring the sound ??? like alsaconf ...
[01:44] <TreadingSoftly> tinster: and does one of those cells match your router?
[01:44] <TreadingSoftly> tinster: or access point?
[01:45] <tinster> TreadingSoftly, I think we can pick any one of those, it doesn't matter
[01:45] <tinster> anything in range is ok (provided you have the proper key)
[01:45] <TreadingSoftly> tinster: they all have the same key?
[01:45] <Dark_Kyo> after set pcm up to 70 % i have a sound satured
[01:45] <tinster> yes
[01:45] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hi
[01:46] <ArdieM> hello ?
[01:46] <tinster> I think it's something to do with the wep key (or how I'm entering it). I'll tinker with it some more
[01:46] <TreadingSoftly> tinster: yes, you can check it with iwlist key
[01:47] <TreadingSoftly> tinster: are you on the right channel for the cells?
[01:47] <tinster> TreadingSoftly: I'm not sure how you check the channel ? can you explicitly set it anywhere ?
[01:48] <tinster> channel 6 is what it's set to
[01:48] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: almost done.. just a few secs
[01:48] <ArdieM> ardiem@chillout:~ $ echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[01:48] <ArdieM> fglrx
[01:48] <TreadingSoftly> i _think_ you can set it with iwconfig eth<no> channel <no>
[01:48] <ArdieM> xorg-driver-fglrx is already the newest version.
[01:49] <ArdieM> why ??
[01:49] <Thom_Holwerda> fabionne: thanks already :) this might finally end my search for a linux distr for ultrasparc
[01:50] <runenes> Can I get somewhere the 2.6.10 kernel with the stock ubuntu options and with the latest inotify patch?
[01:51] <blah09> apt-get install linux-2.6.10 i think
[01:51] <Noesis> anybody know if i can install debian packages straight onto ubuntu ?
[01:51] <Guybrush|Numb> Noesis, you can
[01:51] <Thom_Holwerda> yup you can
[01:51] <Guybrush|Numb> and even the other way around
[01:52] <Noesis> wow, that is super!
[01:52] <Guybrush|Numb> i used the pretty MythTV packages of ubuntu on sarge
[01:52] <Thom_Holwerda> aure it is, ain't it
[01:52] <Thom_Holwerda> *sure
[01:52] <Guybrush|Numb> apt-get all the way!
[01:52] <Noesis> i have requested cds from site, but cannot wait. anybody in cape town area?
[01:52] <Thom_Holwerda> not quite .qpr, but .deb is extremely close :D
[01:52] <blah09> qpr?
[01:52] <Guybrush|Numb> don't have dsl/cable ?
[01:53] <Thom_Holwerda> qpr is the extension for the package management on qnx
[01:53] <blah09> hey does anyone know of a good platform shoot em up game that runs natively in linux?
[01:53] <Noesis> no Guybrush, dial up only.
[01:53] <siridhar> what is the Linux kernel version in Ubuntu (warty)? is it Linux 2.6.x?
[01:53] <blah09> 2.6.8
[01:53] <siridhar> k
[01:53] <siridhar> trying ubuntu in vmware
[01:53] <Guybrush|Numb> Noesis: that sucks... :-| i'm too far away to be of any help anyway :)
[01:54] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: re
[01:55] <Noesis> where are you from
[01:55] <Noesis> ?
[01:55] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: that error usually comes out when the archive is not validate properly
[01:55] <ArdieM> how can i install a .deb ??
[01:55] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione: should work now?
[01:55] <jack__> ArdieM: debpkg -i xxx.deb
[01:55] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: it can happen if you started installing while sparc.ubuntu.com was rsyncing from the internal archive
[01:55] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: i dunno. i don't have the power to either verify or fix it
[01:55] <ArdieM> jack__: thanx
[01:55] <zootropo> sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[01:55] <Guybrush|Numb> Noesis: Italy, not of any help
[01:56] <Noesis> lol, not at all Guybrush|Numb
[01:56] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: i will try to check later (in 20 minutes or so)
[01:56] <Thom_Holwerda> ok
[01:56] <fabbione> it can also be because the new d-i needs to be built on sparc
[01:56] <fabbione> unfortunatly sparc is 1 day behind
[01:57] <fabbione> due to some mirroring problems towards the buildd
[01:57] <Thom_Holwerda> mmm ok as it doesnt seem to work atm-- im patient :)
[01:57] <Thom_Holwerda> (luxuery of having mutliple machines :D) ;)
[01:59] <Guybrush|Numb> Noesis: isn't there some sort of local Linux Users Group to contact ?
[02:03] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione: also, when i manually browse to ~/ubuntu-sparc/ i indeed see no Release file
[02:03] <zombics> what's the pack name of Glib and GTK+ on ubuntu?
[02:03] <zombics> (i want to apt-get it)
[02:03] <Guybrush|Numb> apt-cache search asd
[02:08] <Gaaruto> hi
[02:09] <zombics> when i am tring to compile a program it told me "libnjb) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them." how can i fix this?
[02:10] <Gaaruto> anybody knows how to install audigy ls sound card ?
[02:11] <jack__> zombics: you probably need the xxx-dev package of that library. Just download it
[02:13] <zombics> jack__, i allredy have it :/
[02:13] <jack__> you have the dev package?
[02:13] <zombics> yea
[02:14] <zombics> sudo apt-get install libnjb-dev libnjb-dev is already the newest version.
[02:14] <jack__> then i dunno, that was the usual solution in all the cases i had that problem
[02:14] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: still around?
[02:15] <Guybrush|Numb> zombics, try to discover what it is looking for
[02:15] <Guybrush|Numb> and then eventually symlink as appropriate
[02:17] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione: am now
[02:17] <joa> hi
[02:17] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: try to boot using DEBCONF_PRIORITY=medium
[02:17] <fabbione> and use the same parameters for archive
[02:17] <fabbione> sparc.ubuntu.com and ubuntu-sparc
[02:18] <Thom_Holwerda> and where do i enter DEBCONF_PROIRITY-medium? im kinda new to debian :)
[02:19] <zombics> Guybrush|Numb, it is looking for libnjb.pc how can i find it \ symlink it?
[02:19] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: do you know the OBP?
[02:19] <Thom_Holwerda> yup
[02:19] <joa> please help, how can I configure function keys on a toshiba laptop?
[02:19] <Guybrush|Numb> find / -name libnjb.pc
[02:19] <fabbione> ok> boot cdrom DEBCONF_PRIORITY=medium
[02:19] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: same if you boot from the net..
[02:19] <Thom_Holwerda> ok, already figured something like that
[02:19] <Guybrush|Numb> you find where your copy is, where he wants it, and then symlink as appropriate
[02:20] <zombics> hmmm he dint find it :/
[02:22] <Thom_Holwerda> mmm DEBCONF_PRIORITY=medium has eithr bad syntax or describes a label wich is not present in silo.conf
[02:22] <Thom_Holwerda> weird
[02:22] <wdh> joa, you should search the wiki for that.. im quite sure it is mentioned there..
[02:22] <wdh> or look for preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[02:22] <joa> ok, thanks wdh
[02:23] <Guybrush|Numb> zombics, that won't be easy then
[02:23] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: ah right.. you get silo
[02:23] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: than just boot cdrom
[02:23] <fabbione> at silo prompt
[02:24] <fabbione> do a tab
[02:24] <fabbione> and use either linuz DEBCONF_PRIORITY=medium
[02:24] <fabbione> or expert
[02:24] <Thom_Holwerda> got linux and expert in there
[02:24] <Thom_Holwerda> yeah i used expert everytime
[02:26] <Thom_Holwerda> my sun happy meal ethernet chipset (dont look at me for the name) works fine with dhcp... so it aint tha either
[02:26] <fabbione> yes.. checking now
[02:27] <Thom_Holwerda> ok
[02:30] <da_bon_bon> ahhh.. when wil lhoary be out!
[02:30] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: booting now the sparc in d-i (from the network)
[02:31] <Thom_Holwerda> ok
[02:31] <Thom_Holwerda> i may be lagging behind but what exactly is d-i
[02:31] <fabbione> d-i= debian-installer
[02:31] <Thom_Holwerda> darn having a mac spoiled me
[02:31] <Thom_Holwerda> ah makes sense
[02:31] <fabbione> the same thing you see where you select the keyboard
[02:31] <fabbione> and so on
[02:31] <Thom_Holwerda> yeah
[02:31] <fabbione> but i am on a 9600 console
[02:32] <fabbione> so it will take a little while to go there
[02:32] <jnymo> my connection sucks.. can't complete download of Java from java.sun.com.. can't find anything in synaptic.. the 2.5 meg archive list won't finish downloading from the universal
[02:32] <Thom_Holwerda> ok, no hurry
[02:33] <fabbione> i  kinda am in a hurry because i need to leave in one hour :-)
[02:33] <ArdieM> how can i install i386 pkgs @ my amd64 version ?
[02:33] <Thom_Holwerda> ah ;)
[02:34] <ArdieM> or wich pkg should i downoad http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/rosegarden4
[02:35] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: i am at choose mirror now. i selected http -> enter information manually ->
[02:35] <Thom_Holwerda> same here
[02:35] <fabbione> sparc.ubuntu.com
[02:35] <fabbione> ubuntu-sparc
[02:35] <fabbione> no proxy
[02:36] <Thom_Holwerda> sparc.ubuntu.com => /ubuntu.sparc/
[02:36] <tritium> ArdieM, why are you downloadind a debian package?
[02:36] <fabbione> no
[02:36] <Thom_Holwerda> indeed, no proxy either
[02:36] <fabbione> ubuntu-sparc/
[02:36] <Thom_Holwerda> yeah typing error-- i used dash too
[02:36] <fabbione> hoary
[02:36] <fabbione> (there is no sparc warty)
[02:36] <fabbione> and that will work
[02:37] <tritium> ArdieM, you know that rosegarden4 is in Hoary (universe)?
[02:37] <Thom_Holwerda> than why doesnt it work here... so weird
[02:37] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: check again that you added ubuntu-sparc
[02:37] <Schaap> any one can give me a quick site on how to use bittorrent under ubuntu?
[02:37] <fabbione> just to be 100% sure
[02:38] <Schaap> and not azureas
[02:38] <Thom_Holwerda> okay, ill directly enter the steps
[02:38] <Thom_Holwerda> choose a mirror of the debian archive
[02:38] <Thom_Holwerda> http
[02:38] <Thom_Holwerda> enter info manually
[02:38] <Thom_Holwerda> sparc.ubuntu.com
[02:39] <Thom_Holwerda> ubuntu-sparc/
[02:39] <Thom_Holwerda> http proxy=no
[02:39] <Thom_Holwerda> bad archive mirror-- it must be a fault on my end
[02:39] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: may i suggest something i really really HATE?
[02:39] <Thom_Holwerda> if it helps :)
[02:40] <fabbione> try to restart d-i from 0 or reboot it
[02:40] <fabbione> there might be a bug somewhere
[02:40] <fabbione> where it might not update properly the directory
[02:40] <Thom_Holwerda> mm rebooted the install once already but ill do it again
[02:40] <Thom_Holwerda> i cant think of anything else either
[02:41] <Thom_Holwerda> since i can use this ibook to browse to the dir just fine
[02:41] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: choose-mirror is not the most tested software atm
[02:41] <fabbione> and i never typoed there before
[02:42] <Xappe> nice, that semmed to work without issues *listening to the first track*
[02:42] <Thom_Holwerda> okay loading the kernel--
[02:42] <Xappe> *seemed
[02:42] <Thom_Holwerda> doing language selections etc.
[02:43] <Thom_Holwerda> did the netw. detection and dhcp
[02:43] <jesuel> uhg, mrtg is a pita to configure
[02:43] <eruin> is there anywhere to get hoary cds ?
[02:44] <Silesian> lool; just installed ubuntu, still no network but huh.
[02:44] <Xappe> eruin, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/
[02:44] <eruin> cheers :)
[02:44] <Thom_Holwerda> it refuses to work--
[02:44] <Xappe> eruin, if you read the topic... ;)
[02:44] <Thom_Holwerda> let me try another debian install disc for sparc
[02:45] <eruin> Xappe: I'm a bit slow :P
[02:45] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: sorry, but it works from here. perhaps it is a bug in the iso
[02:45] <Silesian> anyone here uses by any chance usb adsl modem >
[02:45] <fabbione> it is an old one
[02:46] <Thom_Holwerda> well thanks for the help, i got all the info i need so ill try some more things
[02:46] <Silesian> usb adsl ???
[02:46] <Klunket> hello all
[02:47] <eruin> Xappe: you know what the different arrays symbolize?
[02:47] <souki> Silesian: usb adsl depends on your modem
[02:47] <Thom_Holwerda> using the stock net-inst disc now
[02:48] <Silesian> souki; true sorry d-link dsl200
[02:48] <souki> Silesian: don't know this one
[02:48] <jnymo> yea, you really need a decent internet connection to use linux
[02:48] <Xappe> eruin, nah. never used them
[02:49] <Silesian> ok sorry, ive got it on google, sooory :)
[02:49] <zombics> ther is a command that will dwonload all i need to compile a program?
[02:49] <Xappe> eruin, but it's probably something like stages of beta release
[02:51] <Schaap> can i make aliases for certain commands?
[02:51] <Schaap> instead of shutdown -hP now
[02:51] <Schaap> i type suicide
[02:51] <Schaap> like that?
[02:52] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: thanks :-) i really appreciate your patiente in trying it
[02:52] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: unfortunatly you landed here in one of my busiest days
[02:52] <Thom_Holwerda> dont worry about it, it will work ventually
[02:52] <Thom_Holwerda> ive never come across asomething i couldnt get to run
[02:53] <fabbione> eheh
[02:53] <Thom_Holwerda> with ir without help :)
[02:53] <fabbione> it is more probable that you need a new version of d-i
[02:53] <Thom_Holwerda> yeah
[02:53] <fabbione> but today.. since i was in a rush
[02:53] <fabbione> i trashed the X build
[02:53] <fabbione> that means it will take a little while before the buildd will sync again
[02:54] <Thom_Holwerda> ok
[02:56] <mastertet> hello, I'm new to ubuntu, I have a big problem. My root password doesn't work after installation?
[02:56] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: i wasn't busy getting married this saturday i would have spent some more time testing ;)
[02:57] <Thom_Holwerda> ooh in that case: congrats!
[02:57] <zul> mastertet: use sudo
[02:57] <mastertet> ok
[02:58] <mastertet> congrats fabbione
[02:59] <zombics> fabbione, its ok. ther is no root user on ubuntu. you just to "sudo the command you want to do in root"
[02:59] <zombics> fabbione, and the password will be the same as you'r fierst crated user password.
[02:59] <mastertet> !?!
[02:59] <mastertet> ok
[02:59] <manobes> Does anybody know what happened to monodevelop?  I thought it was supposed to be in universe, but apt-get doesn't find it.  I have universe and multiverse enabled...
[03:00] <zombics> ther is a command that will dwonload all i need to compile a program?
[03:01] <manobes> zombics: apt-get install build-essential
[03:01] <arun--> build-essential?
[03:01] <arun--> i forgot :)
[03:01] <manobes> That'll get you a C development environment.  Probably gets c++ as well.
[03:01] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: :-)
[03:01] <fabbione> mastertet ;)
[03:01] <qazwer> who can show me /etc/modules.conf?
[03:01] <qazwer> my this file is 0
[03:01] <fabbione> zombics: why do you tell me?
[03:02] <arun--> any nice crisp, slim gtk themes?
[03:02] <Schaap> weird ubuntu
[03:02] <Schaap> it  has to download 22MB
[03:02] <Schaap> yet afterwards 5MB more will be free
[03:02] <mastertet> If I install only the base system using the custom installation (I don't want gnome), and if I install X with apt-get after that, will X be configured or do I have to setup it by hand?
[03:03] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione: will there ever be a "full" release of sparc-ubuntu? like the ppc and x86 editions?
[03:03] <Thom_Holwerda> just curious
[03:03] <arun--> mastertet: i guess you have to do it on your own
[03:03] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: yes, if there will be enough people asking for it
[03:03] <jnymo> will kaffe run on ubuntu?
[03:03] <qazwer> help! show me /etc/modules.conf, My this file is null.
[03:03] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: canonical pre-approved the order for sparc buildd
[03:04] <acs> hello
[03:04] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: so basically we can get it running high, given that we will manage to get an installer
[03:04] <Thom_Holwerda> mmm might have to draw some attentiion towards the sparc build then--
[03:04] <mastertet> Can you confirm this to me, Ubuntu is Sarge with security update... and other things?
[03:04] <manobes> I take it nobody knows about monodevelop :(
[03:05] <manobes> mastertet: It's more, a much better theme for one.  Predictable releases also.
[03:05] <manobes> The latter is a biggie, since Debian is so slow to release anything.
[03:05] <qazwer> my 865pe sound card can't work.show me /etc/modules.conf,help!
[03:05] <Thom_Holwerda> well ill post something about the sparc-build of ubuntu on http://www.expert-zone.com, maybe as a standalone post, but more likely combined with an ordinary ubuntu release
[03:06] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: that'd awesome
[03:06] <mastertet> ok, I'll try my custom install and come back here if I have question, thanks for the info!
[03:06] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione: sparc needs a grown-up linux distro that works
[03:07] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: i agree.. but that's one of the reason why i am porting ubuntu to it
[03:09] <jnymo> I need java on my ubuntu
[03:09] <jnymo> anyone got that going?
[03:10] <qazwer> jnymo:http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[03:11] <Se7h> can someone tell me where's the doc for libra ?w
[03:11] <Se7h> erg
[03:11] <Se7h> can someone tell me where's the doc for libraw1394?
[03:11] <qazwer> My 865pe AC97 sound card can't work.show me /etc/modules.conf,help!
[03:11] <shock> hoi
[03:13] <jnymo> thanks gazwer :)
[03:14] <shock> erm... anyone here know if i can mount my ubuntu partitions from macosx ?
[03:15] <stuNNed> does macosx kernel have a driver for ext3?
[03:15] <shock> dunno
[03:15] <Thom_Holwerda> the osx kernel doesnt have that i think
[03:15] <stuNNed> google it.
[03:15] <shock> never tried something like that before
[03:15] <shock> ok
[03:15] <Thom_Holwerda> i ran ubuntu on my mac without dual boot so i dont really know
[03:16] <stuNNed> ext2 driver probly work as well
[03:16] <stuNNed> it supports vfat i know
[03:16] <Klunket> Will the LiveCD set the right resolution on my 20" iMac?
[03:17] <stuNNed> Klunket: test it.
[03:17] <Klunket> Am about to ;)
[03:17] <Klunket> 55% downloaded
[03:17] <neyz> hi all
[03:17] <stuNNed> Klunket: there is array 4 livecd might be better for you afaik
[03:17] <Klunket> hello
[03:17] <stuNNed> hi neyz
[03:18] <neyz> having some problems here
[03:18] <neyz> lost the sound lol
[03:18] <stuNNed> yeah imho ubuntu's autodetect sound could be a little better.  why don't they just use alsasound init script i dunno.
[03:18] <neyz> well the thing is that i had it before
[03:19] <neyz> oh wait
[03:19] <neyz> :) im such an f**** idiot from now on : when u don't here sound anymore, chek the power switch on your speakers :)
[03:19] <Klunket> manobles: I just read an article I found on google how to install monodevelop on ubuntu
[03:20] <Klunket> manobles: You have to point the package manager to the Hoary repository
[03:20] <TreadingSoftly> er ... what am i doing wrong here: "env CFLAGS='-march=pentium-m -mtune=pentium-m' prints a list of variables including CFLAGS; but when i then go echo $CFLAGS it prints nothing ....?
[03:20] <arun--> does upgrading to hoary from warty using synaptic work?
[03:20] <Guybrush|Numb> neyz: GREAT one
[03:20] <TreadingSoftly> arun--: don't know - but why risk it?
[03:22] <neyz> thanks Guybrush|Numb
[03:22] <manobes> Klunket: Thanks for the info... I'll probably just wait for Hoary.
[03:22] <Klunket> np
[03:22] <arun--> TreadingSoftly: have to do it anyway when an official release is made :)
[03:23] <TreadingSoftly> arun--: why?
[03:23] <Xappe> hope usplash will make it
[03:23] <Guybrush|Numb> neyz: =8-) I feel that way pretty often too
[03:24] <arun--> TreadingSoftly: actually need to check the release notes for the new features, if needed may be can do a dist-upgrade
[03:24] <TreadingSoftly> arun--: you have to dist-upgrade to get all the hoary packages
[03:24] <stuNNed> neyz: :)
[03:25] <zombics> when i am trying to compile a [program i get this error"checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool" what i need to do? :\
[03:26] <neyz> hh ok now i do have a real problem ;) anyone sucessfully installed ATI driver on hoardy ?
[03:26] <Guybrush|Numb> neys: i did on warty only
[03:27] <neyz> i guess its pretty much the same except for the Xorg part right ?
[03:27] <Xappe> neyz, yes
[03:27] <Xappe> i used the warty guide actually
[03:27] <neyz> you know when you do the fglrxconfig, what are you supposed to say to the gart module question ? use external ?
[03:27] <blah09> hi does anyone know where apt stores its temp files?
[03:28] <neyz> cuz i have added the fglrx module to /etc/modules and changed the device "ati" to fglrx in my xorg.conf and i get this error at boot : Feb 10 15:14:31 localhost kernel: Trying to register duplicated ioctl32 handler c0246400
[03:28] <neyz> Feb 10 15:14:31 localhost kernel: [fglrx:firegl_init_32compat_ioctls]  *ERROR* unable to register ioctl32 0
[03:28] <manobes> zombics: you need to install the perl modules...
[03:28] <Xappe> neyz, useinternalagpgart=no
[03:28] <manobes> Try apt-cache search perl | grep xml | grep -i parse
[03:29] <manobes> That lists a few, the first "libxml-parser-perl" is probably what you want.
[03:29] <neyz> mmm ok, and should i add stuff in my modules ?
[03:29] <Xappe> fglrx should be there at least
[03:30] <ArdieM> whebn will be hoary released ?
[03:30] <zad0> having problems getting hoary build to install Grub on SATA (MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum, nForce3 Ultra)
[03:30] <ArdieM> i mean the final
[03:31] <zad0> brb
[03:31] <neyz> ok so i add fglrx back into the modules
[03:32] <neyz> and in my xorg.conf file i have a section about modules
[03:32] <neyz> maybe i should add fglrx to the list there too
[03:34] <Thom_Holwerda> now that im here: does anyone know how to downgrade from ie. xfree 4.3 to 4.2?
[03:34] <Thom_Holwerda> in debian, that is
[03:34] <gioeleb> hi
[03:34] <manobes> Thom_Holwerda: Short of removing all the X packages and finding older .debs?
[03:34] <Thom_Holwerda> (xfree 4.3 doesnt work with sun type5 keyboards, 4.2 does)
[03:35] <Thom_Holwerda> i hoped there was an easier way :)
[03:35] <Thom_Holwerda> like apt-get downgrade xfree ;)
[03:35] <manobes> Thom_Holwerda: I'd doubt it.  You might be better off just installing the old version from source in /usr/local and using that
[03:36] <neyz> arg still not working cant get more than 300 at glxgears
[03:36] <manobes> Or running an old version of debian
[03:36] <cuatro> Hi huy, I installed warty with custgom installation, and I've not installed nothibg, Only I upgrated to haory. On hoary I've installed xorg and I've installed gnome-core, buit only I can login as root, I can't login with my normail user because it says: error locking authority file /home/juan/.Xauthority.... how can I fix it?? thanks :)
[03:36] <jnk> cuatro, try deleting this file ?
[03:36] <manobes> cuatro: try removing it
[03:37] <bascule> rm -f /home/juan/.Xauthority
[03:37] <bsd1> hi, friends!
[03:37] <Thom_Holwerda> or upgrade to x.org alltogether and hope that they properly support type5 keyb...
[03:37] <manobes> Thom_Holwerda: That's probably a better option.
[03:37] <Thom_Holwerda> i think so too
[03:37] <kent> ArdieM, in April.  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[03:37] <cuatro> ok ;)
[03:37] <bsd1> how do I verify/check for any files changes/missing for all the installed packages?
[03:38] <manobes> File a bug report if x.org doesn't support it.  And hope :)
[03:38] <Thom_Holwerda> yeah ;)
[03:38] <cuatro>  rm -f /home/juan/.Xauthority doen't wotking... I cannot login as normal user... the error is the same...
[03:38] <cuatro> :S
[03:38] <zombics> when i am trying to run a program(gnomad2) i get this error: "gnomad2: error while loading shared libraries: libnjb-2.0.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or director"
[03:38] <manobes> cuatro: Make a new user, and try to log in as that
[03:39] <gioeleb> is there a grub frontend?
[03:39] <manobes> zombics:  apt-cache search libnjb <-- install the dev package
[03:39] <Thom_Holwerda> mmm and the fun thing is: i could get the x.org-sparc debs from sparc.ubuntu.com
[03:39] <manobes> apt-cache search is your friend
[03:39] <Thom_Holwerda> :)
[03:40] <jnk> bsd1, you mean how to check for updates ?
[03:40] <zombics> manobes, i allredy did it :/
[03:40] <manobes> zombics: and the other package?
[03:40] <bascule> gioeleb: grubconf, how strange :)
[03:40] <flosch> hi
[03:41] <zombics> manobes, yea
[03:41] <csorrell> How do I make my program listing in the task bar wider so I can see more of it?
[03:41] <Josip> It seems that I've broken my Boot record, I'm on Ubuntu Live, but when I type /sbin/grub-install it says "no permissions". How can I get root permissions on Live CD ?
[03:41] <zido> is there any way to autoaccept DCC-sends from a certain host/user in xchat? (or any other Linux IRC client?)
[03:42] <cuatro> manobes ok ;)
[03:42] <Josip> works with just sudo in front of it ;-)
[03:42] <manobes> zombics: mmm.  try "locate libnjb" (you may need to run "sudo slocate -u" first)
[03:43] <kent> csorrell, rightclick on it and edit the settings? You should be able to make it as wide as the panel itself allow.
[03:43] <jnk> gioeleb,
[03:44] <jnk> gioeleb, there was a program for that in gnome-system-tools but it seems it's not included in the ubuntu package
[03:44] <zombics> manobes, ok i found the file.... now what i do? :\ (/usr/local/lib/libnjb-2.0.so)
[03:45] <cuatro> manobes I have to rm -f a file in /tmp :)
[03:45] <cuatro> thanks :)
[03:45] <manobes> zombics: It's in /usr/local/lib?  That's odd...
[03:45] <csorrell> kent: is ee thanks
[03:45] <zombics> manobes, i guss thats why it dint found it in the program....
[03:45] <Josip> warty@ubuntu:/dev $ sudo /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda
[03:45] <Josip> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[03:46] <Josip> any ideas ?
[03:46] <jnk> upgrading the gstreamer packages often leads to multimedia programs not working anymore, and gstreamer-properties not allowing to choose default sink (alsa/oss), until I dpkg-reconfigure some gstreamer packages... someone else has the same problem?
[03:46] <manobes> zombics: "man gnomad2" might show you an option to specify the location.  Otherwise, it's still odd, since it should find it in /usr/local/lib...
[03:46] <bascule> Josip: are yout trying to rescue a system?
[03:46] <Josip> well, to make a new boot record
[03:47] <bascule> for a rescued system?
[03:47] <Josip> I had some "Intel Boot Agent" or something, but I've formatted my Win98 partition and everything broke up
[03:47] <Josip> I can mount the fresh formatted fat and also the ntfs partition with ubuntu live cd
[03:47] <bascule> see, Installing grub from a live cd isn't going to work, if you have a ubuntu install, chroot to that mount point and run the grub from the chroot
[03:48] <Josip> I haven't installed Ubuntu
[03:48] <Josip> I thought that LiveCD might help me
[03:48] <jnk> wouldn't it work if he provides an appropriate menu.lst ?
[03:48] <bascule> If you have no hd install, it probably won't work, live cds use a loopback filesystem
[03:48] <Josip> so wtf shall I do ?
[03:48] <[Spooky] > hello anyone good with mount errors ?
[03:49] <zombics> manobes, ther is not "man" for this program :?
[03:49] <Josip> I need a system with WinXP, Win98 and Ubuntu on it
[03:49] <jnk> Josip, then just install ubuntu! it will take care of the boot menu
[03:49] <Josip> I just have WinXP od /dev/hda5
[03:49] <bascule> Josip: if its a win98 install, use a win98 boot disk and 'fdisk /mbr'
[03:49] <[Spooky] > i get "mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#" when trying too mount a *.img file... anyone have any idea ?
[03:49] <Josip> I haven't got a wn98 boot disk
[03:49] <bascule> got a win98 cd?
[03:49] <Josip> I have a CD, but it's not bootable as far as I can see
[03:50] <manobes> zombics: :(  I'm a bit suprised that the dev packages installed the library in /usr/local/...  As I understand it, they're not supposed to do that.
[03:50] <bascule> oh, you are in trouble then .. google up a win98 bootdisk, I reckon you'll get one
[03:50] <Josip> well I can make one from Linux ? Doubt it
[03:50] <jnk> [Spooky] ,  do you have a file /dev/loop/0 ?
[03:50] <zombics> manobes, any idea what i can do? :/
[03:50] <bascule> Josip: not with the required mbr functionality
[03:50] <HaloGray> anybody want to give me a hand with a modprobe issue?
[03:51] <BiteMeBill> Windows 98 should be bootable.
[03:51] <Josip> will I have problems if I install Win98 AFTER I Install Ubuntu ?
[03:51] <bascule> yes
[03:51] <[Spooky] > jnk: nope
[03:51] <Josip> arguments
[03:51] <bascule> depending on how competent you are at chroot and so
[03:51] <zombics> you will need to install the boot loader aganin and config it to boot windows
[03:51] <bascule> [Spooky] : was refering to jnk, not you I believe
[03:51] <Josip> I've configured grub/lilo many times before ;-)
[03:52] <HaloGray> Josip: Windows needs to be on the first part of the drive, it wont work otherwise
[03:52] <jnk> zombics, try copying the file to /usr/lib, just to see if it works
[03:52] <bascule> and it's partition has to be bootable
[03:52] <Josip> I know that, had a problem with that issue a year ago ;-)
[03:52] <Josip> okay, brb
[03:52] <Josip> wish me luck guys
[03:52] <Guybrush|Numb> GL
[03:52] <bascule> good luck, may the penguins watch over you
[03:52] <HaloGray> good luck
[03:52] <[Spooky] > yes im talking to jnk hehe
[03:52] <Guybrush|Numb> =D
[03:53] <zombics> jnk, hehe it worked :) thx !
[03:53] <[Spooky] > jnk: so you have any idea what i should do ?
[03:54] <jnk> zombics, ok there is a less hacky way to do it then, you must configure <I don't remember what> to look in /usr/local/lib, because you should never touch yourself /usr/lib
[03:54] <jnk> [Spooky] , yeah I guess you can use makedev to create... checking how to do that
[03:55] <HaloGray> ok, my modprobe issue.  I compile my wireless driver, and then insmod it and it shows in lsmod
[03:55] <HaloGray> it's perfectly fine to use too
[03:55] <HaloGray> but when I try and modprobe it, I get a fatal driver not found error
[03:55] <HaloGray> this means I'm stuck insmodding the driver every boot
[03:56] <HaloGray> because adding it to the start up modules doesn't do anything
[03:56] <HaloGray> probably because modprobe can't find it
[03:56] <HaloGray> do I need to move the .ko file out of my home directory or something?
[03:56] <LinuxJones> HaloGray, did you run update-modules ?
[03:56] <Jelte> hi there... does anyone know if you can customize Gaim?  I can find different smiley sets, but i want to customize the main look... bored of the green ICQ flowers... ;-)
[03:56] <HaloGray> I... don't... know?
[03:56] <HaloGray> I'm running hoary, and do the default upgrades every few days
[03:56] <manobes> zombics: did you install anything other than the packages?  Cause the packages don't install libnjb-2.0 at all.
[03:56] <HaloGray> So possibly
[03:57] <LinuxJones> HaloGray, sudo update-modules
[03:57] <HaloGray> ok, it ran ok
[03:57] <[Spooky] > jnk: maybe i can try man makedev ?
[03:57] <HaloGray> ... but it didn't output anything so... ?
[03:57] <jnk> [Spooky] ,  sure
[03:58] <Guybrush|Numb> see you later
[03:58] <LinuxJones> HaloGray, try to use modprobe now
[03:58] <HaloGray> FATAL: Module rt2500 not found.
[03:58] <bascule> does makedev still apply to udev?
[03:59] <LinuxJones> HaloGray, try depmod -A
[03:59] <manobes> HaloGray: Which version of the rt2500 module are you using?
[03:59] <jnk> [Spooky] , try this: sudo /dev/MAKEDEV loop
[03:59] <HaloGray> I was using the opensource 1.0 module, but after that had more than a few issues I grabbed the latest version from realtech's site
[03:59] <HaloGray> it seems to have exactly no difference?
[03:59] <jnk> HaloGray,  it won't work if the .ko is in your home dir
[04:00] <HaloGray> where do i need to put it?
[04:00] <bascule> it hast to go into /lib/modules/`uname -r`
[04:00] <jnk> in /lib/modules/... I think
[04:00] <bascule> personally id go /lib/modules/`uname -r`/<some dir I made>
[04:00] <bascule> then run depmod -ae
[04:01] <[Spooky] > jnk: it worked, but i get the same error
[04:01] <HaloGray> jeez I've got a lot of old kernels still installed
[04:01] <HaloGray> They seem to have disappeared out of synaptec when I updated to hoary though
[04:01] <HaloGray> is there some way to easily remove anything an pertaining to outdated kernels?
[04:01] <[Spooky] > jnk: and /dev/loop/0 isnt there
[04:02] <bascule> modprobe loop
[04:02] <[Spooky] > with sudo ?
[04:02] <manobes> HaloGray: put it in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/
[04:02] <manobes> then "depmod -a"
[04:03] <HaloGray> ok, already had the first part
[04:03] <HaloGray> is depmod going to take me offline?
[04:03] <manobes> Also, if you aren't using the beta drivers, I'd recommend them, http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[04:03] <manobes> HaloGray: no
[04:04] <HaloGray> ok, depmod -a went through
[04:04] <HaloGray> now I try and modprobe?
[04:04] <manobes> yes
[04:04] <HaloGray> she good :)
[04:04] <HaloGray> thanks
[04:04] <HaloGray> I was using the stable driver off that page
[04:05] <HaloGray> but the stable driver off that page sucked...
[04:05] <HaloGray> so I got the official from RT
[04:05] <HaloGray> seems to be the same thing :?
[04:05] <[Spooky] > got it to work thanks guys :)
[04:05] <manobes> HaloGray: The beta is much nicer... ./configure & make & sudo make install was all I needed to do to get it working.
[04:05] <HaloGray> even for a 2.6 kernel?
[04:06] <jhh> hi there.. I have a small problem with mplayerplug-in. i can't switch it to full screen mode, right clicking it doesn't do anything. does anyone know what might be the problem?
[04:06] <manobes> HaloGray: Yup, I just installed the kernel
[04:06] <HaloGray> nice
[04:06] <manobes> -headers package
[04:06] <jnk> [Spooky] , so what was the fix ?
[04:06] <HaloGray> Yeah, I have to have the headers package for my current drivers too
[04:06] <[Spooky] > jnk: modprobe loop
[04:06] <jnk> ok
[04:06] <bascule> :))
[04:06] <manobes> HaloGray: I've not yet upgraded to Hoary, but I'm hopeful it'll work.
[04:06] <HaloGray> I'll give it a shot
[04:07] <manobes> And maybe with Hoary I'll be able to make the most of the video on this thing.
[04:07] <bascule> <-- goes out, later
[04:07] <HaloGray> Perhaps it will solve another issue I've been having with the card
[04:07] <HaloGray> the first time I bring up the card it'll spit out a bunch of errors about not being able to find the network
[04:07] <HaloGray> the second time I bring it up it works fine
[04:07] <HaloGray> every time it's the same way
[04:08] <jnk> jhh, what's mplayerplug-in ?
[04:08] <manobes> HaloGray: Possibly.  I found that the "stable" drivers didn't give any status info, so the panel applet wouldn't show the link quality at all...
[04:08] <HaloGray> I have that issue as well
[04:08] <ewhitten_> jnk:  browser plugin for embedded video, using mplayer
[04:08] <manobes> HaloGray: The beta fixes that.
[04:09] <HaloGray> Definately getting the beta then
[04:09] <jnk> ewhitten_, ah ok it's in the package mozilla-mplayer
[04:09] <HaloGray> Thank you :)
[04:10] <manobes> HaloGray: What computer do you have?
[04:10] <HaloGray> dell inspiron 8600
[04:10] <HaloGray> It's a beast
[04:10] <HaloGray> but it's still a dell :(
[04:10] <jhh> jnk, have you any idea what might be the problem
[04:11] <jnk> jhh, just installed it to see how it works
[04:11] <Thom_Holwerda> okay another debian/sparc/ubuntu question: im now installing normal debain-sparc. if i were to configure apt to point to the sparc aptsources of ubuntu-- couldnt i then just do a dist upgrade?
[04:11] <HaloGray> This thing is widescreen... I didn't even know when I ordered it
[04:11] <HaloGray> It's about 10 lbs
[04:11] <manobes> HaloGray: :)  I didn't know dell used this card.  I have an uber-cheap Averatec 3250.  It's not a beast... (4.3 pounds)
[04:11] <HaloGray> desktop replacement indeed...
[04:11] <tuxJr_14> hi
[04:11] <ewhitten_> mornin.
[04:11] <HaloGray> I bought the card seperately
[04:12] <manobes> HaloGray: ahh... makes sense.
[04:12] <jnk> jhh, you have a very small "active area" when viewing a video ?
[04:12] <HaloGray> I actually already had it, if I wanted to get the wireless set up from Dell I would have got the internal intel wireless and had an official 'Centrino' laptop
[04:12] <tuxJr_14> ewhitten_, morning
[04:12] <HaloGray> Instead I didn't bother... I was already over budget when buying this thing
[04:13] <manobes> It's nice that there's a GPL driver for it now.  Eventually it'll get rolled into distros, and we'll not have to worry about this crap :)
[04:13] <HaloGray> I was shopping for a beat up old $500 junker... and came across a Dell coupon code for $750 off any new laptop
[04:13] <HaloGray> I did the math, and it came out to be about $800 for a new laptop free and clear
[04:13] <ewhitten_> nice
[04:13] <jhh> jnk, yes. its quite small. and i know that you can switch it to full screen. just don't know why it's not working on ubuntu
[04:13] <manobes> HaloGray: You're one of the lucky ones then :)
[04:13] <HaloGray> They have sales like that pretty often or so I'm told
[04:13] <Thom_Holwerda> guess no one knows :(
[04:13] <HaloGray> It was only a 24 hour sale... I was just lucky to already be setting some cash aside for a laptop
[04:14] <Thom_Holwerda> well then there's no other option then to just try, hmm? ;)
[04:14] <HaloGray> because if it was totally out of the blue I wouldn't have been able to get the funds together
[04:14] <manobes> This was $800 (after rebates)... Athelon XP-M (runs at 1.6 GHz), 512 MB, and it's light, which is key.
[04:14] <Thom_Holwerda> manobes: how heavy is it?
[04:14] <Thom_Holwerda> in kg?
[04:14] <HaloGray> How's that treating you?  I was heavily considering getting one myself but I hadn't heard of Averitec
[04:15] <blah09> inspiron 8600 for 800 bucks is really cheap
[04:15] <TreadingSoftly> ewhitten_: Beagle's gobbling up most of your RAM? is that constant?
[04:15] <HaloGray> They look like solid budget laptops though
[04:15] <ewhitten_> I think this was about $3000 when my company bought it a year ago (1600x1200 display, 128MB nvidia)...
[04:15] <jnk> jhh, maybe it's a problem with mplayer's default output: try viewing a (geometrically) small video with mplayer from the terminal, for example: mplayer file.avi
[04:15] <manobes> Thom_Holwerda: about 2 kg
[04:15] <blah09> i paid like 1400 for my 500m
[04:15] <manobes> HaloGray: I'm a big fan.
[04:15] <choisy> hello
[04:15] <Thom_Holwerda> ah same as my ibook, nice :)
[04:15] <manobes> It's worked out well.
[04:15] <HaloGray> blah09: Keep an eye out for coupon codes, Dell gives them out often
[04:15] <HaloGray> This one came through a few weeks before xmas
[04:16] <blah09> hehe im not in the US =(
[04:16] <mastertet> Big problem, I installed Ubuntu yesterday and it went ok. I just tried to reinstall it the custom way and it can't setup my lan connection. I tried several times without succes. After the net config and the installatio, network is unreachable. Any idea?
[04:16] <ewhitten_> TreadingSoftly:  at the moment, yes.  I'm waiting to see if it will go down after the initial index, but I'm not so optimistic.  beagle still can be a pain.
[04:16] <HaloGray> $750 off any inspiron model over $1500
[04:16] <blah09> US, the land of electronics deals
[04:16] <Thom_Holwerda> hehe
[04:16] <HaloGray> I crapped my pants and then fed Dell my wallet
[04:16] <TreadingSoftly> ewhitten_: are you running it on Hoary?
[04:16] <ewhitten_> blah09:  you should go to the MicroCenter down the street from here.  They have a bargain bin :)
[04:16] <ewhitten_> TreadingSoftly:  yup.
[04:16] <blah09> lol
[04:16] <Thom_Holwerda> im from the netherlands: where technology products are expensive as hell
[04:16] <ewhitten_> I have 2GB of RAM too.
[04:16] <blah09> thom here too, germany
[04:16] <blah09> lol
[04:16] <blah09> 2 gigs is nuts
[04:16] <HaloGray> I'll probably get an Averatec for my next laptop
[04:17] <TreadingSoftly> ewhitten_: did you include gst-sharp?
[04:17] <Thom_Holwerda> germany is 20% cheaper than holland :)
[04:17] <Thom_Holwerda> i go there opften
[04:17] <HaloGray> manobes: how's the product support?
[04:17] <blah09> =)
[04:17] <ewhitten_> blah09:  in a laptop, yes
[04:17] <HaloGray> One thing about budget products is they tend to break a bit easier... no matter how good they are
[04:17] <manobes> HaloGray: I haven't had occasion no use it...
[04:17] <Syzygy> hi
[04:17] <ewhitten_> TreadingSoftly:  I couldn't get it to compile after I checked it out of svn this morning.
[04:17] <blah09> i had my dell fixed twice
[04:17] <HaloGray> If the warranties are in line, I don't care so much about that
[04:17] <blah09> once i got a new lcd assembly, the other time a new motherboard
[04:17] <ewhitten_> right now, it has nothing extra included, aside from the mozilla-extension
[04:17] <manobes> HaloGray: So far this has been solid.  It's only been a couple of weeks though.
[04:17] <TreadingSoftly> ewhitten_: ah ... not just me then ...
[04:17] <blah09> basically a whole new laptop
[04:17] <jnk> jhh, try adding this line in .mplayer/config : vo=xv
[04:17] <HaloGray> blah09: Yeah, this things video card/mobo blew out after TWO WEEKS of owning it
[04:17] <blah09> both repairs within a 1 week timespan
[04:18] <blah09> lol, dell huh
[04:18] <jnk> jhh,  (that is: /home/your_username/.mplayer/config)
[04:18] <HaloGray> I left it alone on screensaver... came back to a dead laptop
[04:18] <blah09> thank god they were covered by warranty
[04:18] <HaloGray> it booted, and gave out 2 bios beeps for 'no video'
[04:18] <mastertet> Any known network setup issues with Ubuntu?
[04:18] <blah09> =(
[04:18] <ewhitten_> TreadingSoftly:  I didn't have this problem about a week ago.  that's what we get for checking stuff out then.
[04:18] <HaloGray> it took me 2 hours with Dell's india based support to convince the tech that it was indeed not going to come back to life
[04:18] <ewhitten_> TreadingSoftly:  did it ever go down for you?
[04:18] <blah09> i think the thinkpad R series has dropped in price a lot, i might be looking at those for my next one
[04:18] <predaeus> Anyone: I am using Ubuntu warty on an AMD64 with the i386 install image due to package probs. Now I wanted to change to the 686 kernel via package manager. Everything went smooth and the additional kernel option is in the boot menu. But with the 686 kernel X does not want to start. Can anyone help? noob here
[04:18] <HaloGray> I looooove thinkpads.
[04:19] <jhh> jnk, i have that in my mplayer config file
[04:19] <HaloGray> I upgraded from a T20 for this one
[04:19] <HaloGray> I would have gladly still used it, but it had a max of 800x600 resolution
[04:19] <blah09> the R is a bit big though right
[04:19] <blah09> i love the x40 =)
[04:19] <ewhitten_> HaloGray:  I can feel your pain.  Luckily, my company bought through corporate/office, so the support contract is still US-based.
[04:19] <HaloGray> I tend to do a lot of graphic design and web design in general... the res was just murdering me
[04:19] <LinuxJones> predaeus, you need to install the restricted modules for the 686 kernel
[04:19] <Syzygy> hi there...I'm completely new to Linux and have a problem with my usb scanner, could anybody help me
[04:20] <manobes> 800x600 is not fun
[04:20] <HaloGray> The 600mhz processor in the thing was livable, but the resolution had to be dealt with
[04:20] <TreadingSoftly> ewhitten_: well first it wouldn't autogen. .. fixed that by editing the script to use aclocal-1.9 and automake-1.9. But when it came to make it complained about being unable to find "assembly glib-sharp" for reasons I couldn't understand
[04:20] <jhh> jnk, i viewed a video from terminal and when i clicked the window, it says 'No bind found for key MOUSE_BTN2'
[04:20] <HaloGray> as much as the tech support with Dell sucked, and having a new product break within 2 weeks.  I've really got to hand it to them on their turn around time
[04:21] <blah09> you had to send it in?
[04:21] <HaloGray> They sent me a padded to all hell box to ship the laptop back to them in
[04:21] <TreadingSoftly> ewhitten_: i think i need to give up until gtk-sharp2.0 has a proper Ubuntu package... this is entirely beyond my skill :(
[04:21] <blah09> oh
[04:21] <predaeus> LinuxJones: ic, ill try that then thx
[04:21] <HaloGray> Yeah, I don't have an in-home warranty
[04:21] <tritium> I've never had Dell problems
[04:21] <blah09> where i bought mine it came standard
[04:21] <ewhitten_> TreadingSoftly:  I had some issues with that earlier as well. Had to hunt for glib-sharp.dll and gacutil -i it.
[04:21] <HaloGray> It was standard... I downgraded
[04:21] <TreadingSoftly> ewhitten_: gacutil -i does what?
[04:21] <HaloGray> took off a year of in-home support, added 2 years to the parts warranty for the same money
[04:22] <blah09> i didnt know you could do that
[04:22] <ewhitten_> But yes, all the sharp stuff needs to get stabilized.  beagle is still pretty experimental
[04:22] <blah09> a T42 would be soooo sweet
[04:22] <Jousto> Hello! Ubuntu is wonderful OS but i don't want to learn to use it.. so is there any way i can remove this ubuntu :(
[04:22] <HaloGray> yeah, you can customize your support package as well as software/hardhare through their customize page when ordering a new computer
[04:22] <ArdieM> i need a good graphical ftp client
[04:22] <blah09> jousto just install xp over it
[04:22] <ArdieM> you got any ?
[04:22] <TreadingSoftly> Jousto: what are you gonna install instead?
[04:23] <blah09> bear or something i think it was called
[04:23] <manobes> Jousto: Do you already have a windows partition?
[04:23] <blah09> (@ardie)
[04:23] <Xappe> ArdieM, gftp?
[04:23] <manobes> ArdieM: gftp
[04:23] <LinuxJones> ArdieM, gftp
[04:23] <Jousto> hehe windows 98
[04:23] <HaloGray> ArdieM: lftp is command line but the most full featured ftp client I've ever seen
[04:23] <ArdieM> ^
[04:23] <HaloGray> for a simple graphical ftp... gftp fits the bill
[04:23] <tritium> ArdieM, you never responded re: rosegarden
[04:23] <TreadingSoftly> ewhitten_: so what exactly did you do with gacutil -i?
[04:23] <ewhitten_> TreadingSoftly:  gacutil -i :  install a dll into the GAC.
[04:24] <manobes> Jousto: just use fdisk in win98 to delete the ubuntu partitions and make them windows partitions
[04:24] <ewhitten_> Global Assembly ... Collection?
[04:24] <ewhitten_> it's how mono finds libraries.
[04:24] <shock> damn... i need to get to my ubuntu-partition from osx... and google has not been my friend so far
[04:24] <phillix> hi. i am running 2.6.8.1-2-386 #1 and I need the kernel source tree to compile some modules. How do i install this kernel source tree version? I have done apt-cache search and dont see that version in there.
[04:24] <HaloGray> anyway, the whole process of shipping the laptop back to dell, and having it come back to me only took a week
[04:24] <HaloGray> and it was during the holiday season so I'm sure things were busy
[04:24] <TreadingSoftly> ewhitten_: i see
[04:24] <HaloGray> That much was a big plus
[04:25] <ewhitten_> HaloGray:  when your a corp/enterprise customer, they send you a new one, *then* you send yours back.
[04:25] <ewhitten_> still sounds like you got things around pretty fast, though :)
[04:25] <TreadingSoftly> phillix: apt-get source ?
[04:25] <Syzygy> does anybody know how to get xsane work as a normal user? I've searched a lot but have found solutions that dont work or are way too cryptic for a newbie
[04:25] <manobes> phillix: search for linux-source
[04:25] <HaloGray> I tried to get things through the business end, but the coupon was only available to home users
[04:25] <ewhitten_> understandable.
[04:25] <tritium> phillix, you only need kernel headers to do that
[04:25] <ewhitten_> you don't want a company ordering 1000 $750 off laptops :)
[04:26] <HaloGray> Indeed
[04:26] <tritium> phillix, just get linux-headers-2.6.8.1-2-386
[04:26] <HaloGray> they made a big mistake with that coupon though
[04:26] <HaloGray> It was such a good deal it got spread around tons of forums and blogs
[04:26] <HaloGray> I heard about it myself through a forum
[04:26] <HaloGray> eventually it was posted on yahoo new's frontpage... complete with the coupon code
[04:26] <phillix> manobes: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1 did the trick. thanks!
[04:26] <ewhitten_> nice.
[04:27] <HaloGray> Dell realized they didn't put a limit to the sales (IE first 2000 customers only)
[04:27] <manobes> phillix: tritium is right though, you really only need the headers.  But it's nice to have the sources
[04:27] <HaloGray> they sold 200,000 laptops that day... making little to no money on any of them
[04:27] <Jousto> manobes: Fdisc you mean that floppy disc
[04:27] <HaloGray> The figures came out, and I think it actually cost them $10 to sell me this laptop
[04:27] <ewhitten_> nice
[04:27] <HaloGray> $10 x 200,000 is a lot of loss
[04:27] <manobes> Jousto: no, I mean fdisk, the partitioning tool
[04:27] <phillix> well, I also want to cusomize my kernel a bit so I will need the sources evetually. just didnt know how to get them fromt he apt reps. Thanks for the help!
[04:28] <goldfish_> http://www.learnignorance.com/archives/images/will-code-html-for-food.jpg
[04:28] <HaloGray> it had a nice side effect for them though... their Q4 sales were through the roof and their stock went up an absurd amount because of it
[04:28] <manobes> phillix: np
[04:28] <ArdieM> what is the cmd name of Eye of GNOME  ?
[04:28] <ArdieM> geye ?
[04:28] <ewhitten_> eog
[04:28] <ArdieM> k thx
[04:29] <blah09> whats the difference between a t42 and a t42p anyway
[04:29] <tritium> ArdieM, did you get rosegarden?
[04:30] <felix_1> Hi there :-)
[04:30] <ewhitten_> a consonant?
[04:30] <Syzygy> hi felix
[04:31] <blah09> =/
[04:32] <felix_1> That is sad but ... I am running kopete instead of Gaim...don't like gaim GUI ..:-(
[04:32] <Josip> I really need some help. I've had WinXP and Win98 partition on my HDD (/dev/hda1 and /dev/hda5). I've formatted the Win98 partition. I was using some "Intell Boot Agent", but when I've formatted the partition everything got fucked up. I haven't got a floppy drive (I'm on a laptop) to boot a safe disk. Can I somehow fix this with Ubuntu Live CD ?
[04:33] <felix_1> Josip: I dunno Intell Boot Agent... What it does precisely ?
[04:33] <Josip> well it was preinstalled, it's a boot agent like GRUB
[04:34] <ArdieM> tritium: im really sorry... i was working on my homepage. :) ive downloaded it but i cant install it. because i cant find an amd64 version and i cant install the i386 version
[04:34] <HaloGray> manobes: You use beta 1.1.0 right?
[04:34] <Josip> a Loader
[04:34] <HaloGray> For the rt2500 chipset
[04:34] <HaloGray> or do you use the nightly cvs?
[04:34] <ewhitten_> Intel Boot Agent is a PXE loader for booting off the network
[04:34] <jnk> Josip, if you have the install CD, I would really try to install ubuntu on disk and telling grub to install in /dev/hda
[04:34] <tritium> ArdieM, oh, that's the story.  Okay.  There's no ubuntu amd64 version in Hoary universe?
[04:35] <felix_1> Josip: ...and like GRUB, if you wipe the partition where the conf is, it is then screwed ?
[04:35] <Josip> well this is the situation : first partition (empty) 2gb, second partition (with winxp) 36gb
[04:35] <ArdieM> oh
[04:35] <ArdieM> yes there is one
[04:35] <Josip> where shall I install it ?
[04:35] <blah09> ack ibm sold its pc business
[04:35] <blah09> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6666170/
[04:35] <ArdieM> i thought it wouldnt be in there
[04:35] <ewhitten_> Josip:  fyi: windows doesn't like being second OS.
[04:35] <Josip> how can I resize the partition WITHOUT losing any data on it
[04:35] <tritium> ArdieM, :)
[04:35] <ewhitten_> Josip:  Partition magic..
[04:35] <tritium> blah09, yes
[04:36] <ArdieM> haha
[04:36] <ewhitten_> blah09:  old news, just waiting to see if the govt. allows it though.
[04:36] <ArdieM> i installed but it doesnt work
[04:36] <tritium> That's why I won't be buying a thinkpad
[04:36] <blah09> hehe
[04:36] <tritium> ArdieM, oh...
[04:36] <blah09> i didnt know about that
[04:36] <blah09> so if you want a thinkpad now would be the time
[04:36] <Josip> I can't load Windows, so how can I load partition magic ?
[04:36] <ArdieM> "One of the Rosegarden proegrems has died,horribly"
[04:36] <ewhitten_> Josip:  Have your windows install cd?
[04:36] <felix_1> Josip: As far as I know, installing GRUB or even Lilo, WinXP will starts with no complains.
[04:36] <tritium> ArdieM, I see.  I thought you were installing from debian, not ubuntu.
[04:36] <tritium> Sorry
[04:37] <ArdieM> nah sorry
[04:37] <HaloGray> IBM will still be supporting older models, and they're releasing a new model in Q2 of this year
[04:37] <ArdieM> thanx anyway ^^
[04:37] <blah09> t43 right
[04:37] <HaloGray> The levano deal wont go through until at least Q3, at which point they'll only make and support new laptops
[04:37] <ewhitten_> Josip:  if you need to get back into windows, you can boot off the windows install cd, choose rescue, and then "fixmbr" and "fixboot"
[04:37] <HaloGray> right
[04:37] <Josip> felix_1, since I'm on a LiveCD distro grub-install /dev/hda fails
[04:37] <jnk> Josip, go and burn this CD: http://www.sysresccd.org/
[04:37] <jnk> then you can boot it and resize your NTFS partition
[04:37] <Ex-Cyber> what's the best way to go about disabling the ctrl+alt+backspace shortcut for killing the X server?
[04:38] <tritium> jnk, _if_ it works.  qtparted doesn't always work so well
[04:38] <felix_1> Josip: oh! then just do as ewhitten said :-)
[04:38] <rcliii> anyone know how to get past "no installable kernel found" when installing ubuntu?
[04:38] <jnk> tritium, ah too bad..
[04:38] <tritium> yeah
[04:38] <Jousto> "the partitioning tool" im outside like a snowman
[04:39] <ewhitten_> Ex-Cyber:  look at /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc
[04:39] <ewhitten_> you might be able to comment out the line starting with key <BKSP>
[04:39] <HaloGray> brb
[04:39] <begana> hi, when i try to plug a printer the copmuter just get freeze. I can get in through ssh but i cannot shutdown X server: 22341 root      25   0     0    0    0 R 98.9  0.0   1275:03 XFree86. How can i kill it? i also tried with kill -9 XFree86
[04:39] <ewhitten_> to disable the kill X accelerator.
[04:39] <Josip> I haven't got a WinXP install CD , lol
[04:40] <manobes> begana: did you try it with sudo?
[04:40] <begana> yeah.. i'm doing it as a root
[04:40] <ewhitten_> begana:  can you sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart ?
[04:41] <ewhitten_> you could also try moving your run level with telinit to 1 and then back.
[04:41] <jnk> Ex-Cyber, look for dontzap in man xorg  and man xorg.conf
[04:42] <felix_1> Josip: :-) :-), If you could burn a Ubuntu install cd, you may install a minimal linux ( server ) and then grub will install and configure it self to boot from /dev/hda mbr and normally winxp will appears in the grub menu :-)
[04:42] <manobes> If kill -9 as root doesn't work, that's odd.  What happens if you boot with the printer plugged in alread.
[04:42] <ewhitten_> jnk:  much better solution :)
[04:42] <jnk> :)
[04:42] <ewhitten_> jnk:  I just grepped for the accelerator in /etc/X11  ..  quick guess :)
[04:42] <jnk> google was my friend
[04:43] <Ex-Cyber> jnk: found it, thanks
[04:43] <tritium> manobes, you need to boot with the printer plugged, otherwise you'll have to re-run /etc/init.d/cupsys
[04:43] <ewhitten_> is anyone using hoary and the lookup_applet?
[04:43] <tritium> ewhitten_, last I tried, it didn't work
[04:43] <felix_1> ewhitten_: What is lookup_applet ? ( I am running hoary )
[04:43] <tritium> so I removed it
[04:44] <ewhitten_> felix_1:  add the applet "Address Book Search"
[04:44] <ewhitten_> tritium:  could you not get keyboard focus on it?
[04:44] <HaloGray> manobes: Manbabies.  Now.
[04:44] <HaloGray> The beta driver caused the wireless card to actually boot on its own
[04:44] <HaloGray> no immediate terminal stuff
[04:44] <tritium> ewhitten_, that sounds right
[04:45] <HaloGray> Thank you :D
[04:45] <felix_1> ewhitten_ : oh! And it is supposed to work with what kind of db ? ( evolution?; gnome ??? )
[04:45] <ewhitten_> can't type anything, only paste... but then you can't actually hit enter to run the search.
[04:45] <tritium> I couldn't type search terms into the entry box
[04:45] <manobes> HaloGray: np
[04:45] <tritium> ewhitten_, yeah
[04:45] <ewhitten_> felix_1:  uses your evo addressbook.
[04:45] <tritium> that's definitely what happened
[04:45] <HaloGray> and as you said, the net connection monitor actually works now too
[04:46] <tritium> HaloGray, sort of.  It's not smart enough to detect the active NIC
[04:46] <felix_1> I could try it, but my evo addrbook is empty :-) !! wait ...
[04:46] <tritium> HaloGray, it just uses the last one it was configured to
[04:46] <ewhitten_> maybe I'll try compiling a source ver. of it, see if that helps.
[04:46] <tenco> i've tested the 5.04 hoary live cd
[04:46] <HaloGray> the connection seems to be steady at 100%
[04:46] <tenco> X11 was messed up
[04:47] <HaloGray> That's strange though... in windows it'd constantly fluctuate between 80%/100%
[04:47] <tritium> Every time I switch between on-board ethernet and wireless card, I have to reconfigure Network Monitor if I want to see the status.
[04:47] <jnk> tritium, same problem here
[04:47] <felix_1> My hoary installation is still not yet finished... evo email is not set yet... I am configuring it and will return with what I get from lookup ok ?
[04:47] <tenco> for a test-descriptioin read http://outof.bnro.de/~martin81/hoary-test.html
[04:47] <manobes> HaloGray: Mine moves about a bit... But my connenection is pretty solid.
[04:47] <HaloGray> tritium: that's the monitor itself though... I'm just happy that my wireless drivers work ok now and tell it what the wireless signal is and all that
[04:47] <tritium> jnk, applets have taken a step or two backwards
[04:47] <ewhitten_> felix_1:  just let me know if you can even type in the box.
[04:47] <_Syzygy_> a question for people used to IRC...why have I been *almost* kicked out of #debian when I asked a question and said I used Ubuntu??? I don't understand anything!
[04:48] <felix_1> ewhitten_: yop :-)
[04:48] <tritium> HaloGray, that's good :)
[04:48] <HaloGray> I'm only 10 feet away from the access point... it SHOULD be at 100%
[04:48] <Poyayan> is anyone here using array 4?
[04:48] <HaloGray> It's just that it isn't in Windows, and I'm wondering if it's just a Windows issue or if the netmon isn't reported accurately
[04:48] <jnk> /kick _Syzygy_   used the forbidden word "debian"
[04:48] <jnk> (joking)
[04:49] <_Syzygy_> that would be cool jnk :D
[04:49] <stuNNed> Poyayan: i've fired it up once, shortly.
[04:49] <HaloGray> _Syzygy_: Probably because they know that Ubuntu has its own support channel
[04:49] <tritium> HaloGray, you shouldn't be experience much multipath fading from 10 feet away ;)  It's probably something in Windows.
[04:49] <tritium> experiencing
[04:49] <tenco> anyone here, who is interested in a hoary test report?
[04:50] <HaloGray> I'm running hoary... what's the test report all about?
[04:50] <jnk> _Syzygy_, maybe some DD's are angry to see work going on in ubuntu when debian has been stuck for months in the release freezer
[04:50] <_Syzygy_> yeah but it's been almost violent! they've said: "run while you can...if you use ubuntu, don't tell us"
[04:50] <HaloGray> XD
[04:50] <_Syzygy_> jnk that makes more sense
[04:50] <tenco> HaloGray, i tested the live CD
[04:50] <manobes> _Syzygy_: #debian can be snarly
[04:51] <ewhitten_> tritium:  looking at the contact_lookup_applet --> Applet is broken with gnome-panel 2.9.x. The entry widget is no longer given focus on click so its impossible to perform a search. Kevin: known problem and the patch is simple, but I've not got a G2.9 build to test it against at the moment. Soon I promise.
[04:51] <HaloGray> angry linux geeks can be a fierce bunch
[04:51] <HaloGray> just ask the SCO
[04:51] <jnk> _Syzygy_,  if it was just one person you can't generalize
[04:51] <tritium> _Syzygy_, was your question ubuntu-specific?
[04:51] <_Syzygy_> well
[04:51] <_Syzygy_> it was about making xsane work as a normal user
[04:51] <blah09> whats this about gtk smooth and industrial engines?
[04:51] <tritium> The #debian topic says that debian is not ubuntu (or knoppix), and they hate non-debian questions.
[04:51] <_Syzygy_> i think that's not very ubuntu-specific
[04:51] <tritium> _Syzygy_, no, not really :)
[04:52] <tenco> HaloGray, the X11-setup didn't recognize my graphicscard correctly
[04:52] <_Syzygy_> but i've said the forbidden word in that channel!
[04:52] <tritium> ewhitten_, where's that from?
[04:52] <ewhitten_> http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/contact-lookup-applet-0.10
[04:52] <HaloGray> what graphics card do you have?
[04:52] <tritium> _Syzygy_, change your nick if you go back :)
[04:52] <_Syzygy_> by the way, does anybody here how to solve that issue? it's quite annoying to have to start xsane always as root
[04:53] <HaloGray> sudo?
[04:53] <jnk> _Syzygy_,  there is a scanner group, are you in ?
[04:53] <_Syzygy_> yes, I'm already in it
[04:53] <tenco> HaloGray, S3 Savage8 - for more details take a look at http://outof.bnro.de/~martin81/hoary-test.html
[04:53] <tritium> ewhitten_, thanks
[04:53] <meuserj|work> _Syzygy_, you need to change the permissions of the scanner device.
[04:53] <jnk> _Syzygy_,  if you just added yourself you must completely logout for changes to take effect
[04:53] <tenco> HaloGray, theres also a dmesg from a working warty installation
[04:53] <HaloGray> Savage8?  Is that an onboard 8mb card?
[04:53] <meuserj|work> _Syzygy_, or join the scanner group
[04:53] <_Syzygy_> i have searched a lot about this before coming here but nothing works
[04:54] <tritium> meuserj|work, hello
[04:54] <_Syzygy_> I already was in the group by default
[04:54] <felix_1> ewhitten_: It seems to me there is a bug ... I got an error accessing ( personal ) adresse book from lookup: I created the personal addrbook, and added one entry, lookup was unable to read it :-(
[04:54] <tenco> HaloGray, i don't know if its onboard (laptop) - but it has 16-32 megs
[04:54] <jnk> maybe it's a kernel bug  la cdrecord :)
[04:54] <felix_1> buga-away_: time to fill a bug report in bugzilla :-)
[04:55] <HaloGray> It's a pretty common laptop video card
[04:55] <HaloGray> I'm surprised it wasn't detected
[04:55] <ewhitten_> felix_1:  what version of gnome-panel are you using?
[04:55] <meuserj|work> tritium, hey... when you came into #pulug and mentioned #ubuntu, I decided to come in here for a while.
[04:55] <ewhitten_> and evolution..
[04:55] <felix_1> 2.9.91
[04:55] <tritium> meuserj|work, cool! :)  Are you using it?
[04:55] <_Syzygy_> and unplugging, then plugging again the scanner works, so it seems to have to do with device permissions, but i have no idea of how to change that, I'm completely new to linux
[04:55] <ewhitten_> felix_1:  have you closed evolution since adding that contact?
[04:55] <HaloGray> I'm used to channels with 10 people in them... this channel blows me away
[04:56] <felix_1> 2.1.5
[04:56] <felix_1> ewhitten_ yes two times and also restart lookup
[04:56] <meuserj|work> tritium, yeah.. and very happy with it.  I don't spend much time in here because I always end up getting involved on here and not get any work done.
[04:56] <ewhitten_> hmm.  tritium and I don't seem to have that problem. :)
[04:56] <tritium> meuserj|work, I had tried to convince Greg to setup an ubuntu mirror here at Purdue.  He hadn't heard of it at that time.  Now that's it's tops in distrowatch, I wonder if he'd reconsider?
[04:57] <tritium> meuserj|work, Me too, I need to be focusing on my research :)
[04:57] <meuserj|work> tritium, would I know you from Purdue?
[04:57] <HaloGray> Ok, I have a new network interface related issue
[04:57] <felix_1> lokkup says: error accessing address book : An unknown error occurred.
[04:57] <ewhitten_> odd.
[04:57] <HaloGray> actually, nevermind... I haven't tested it enough to know if it doesn't work properly or not
[04:57] <HaloGray> I'll leave it be for now
[04:57] <ewhitten_> at any rate, the applet is broken with the current gnome -panel right now anyway :)
[04:57] <tritium> meuserj|work, I don't know.  I'm a PhD candidate in ECE.  You?
[04:58] <felix_1> hehehe who is filling the bug ? ( me I don't remember my account :-( )
[04:58] <ewhitten_> felix_1:  it's a known issue.
[04:58] <ewhitten_> according to the developer.
[04:58] <felix_1> ewhittrn_: ah! so we wait for Gnome 2.10 then ...:-)
[04:58] <manobes> tritium: What do you study?
[04:58] <ewhitten_> pretty much.  the dev. knows how to fix it.
[04:59] <tritium> manobes, Signal Processing & Communication
[04:59] <tritium> manobes, you?
[04:59] <tritium> Nice :)
[04:59] <ewhitten_> smarty pants.
[04:59] <meuserj|work> tritium, I'm a recent grad from cs, work in Indy and go to Laf pretty often.. I post to the plug mailing list a lot, first name is John.
[04:59] <Jousto> yeah!
[04:59] <felix_1> I have a question: I am insterrested to get lm_sensors to work but the modules can't work because  I am missing procfs/sysfs somthing like that ... any one can point me to a guide ???
[05:00] <tritium> meuserj|work, Hi John.  Stop by MSEE 296 if you're ever around.
[05:00] <tritium> meuserj|work, my name is Mike, btw
[05:00] <ewhitten_> awww how cute.  a date! ;)
[05:00] <HaloGray> is there a command to show which kernel ubuntu is actively using?
[05:00] <ewhitten_> HaloGray:  uname -a
[05:00] <tritium> manobes, what are you doing these days?
[05:00] <meuserj|work> ewhitten_, heh
[05:01] <felix_1> I want it because my P4 2.4 GHz is overcloked at 2.88 ghz and want to know the temp when I compile etc ....
[05:01] <HaloGray> thanks
[05:01] <manobes> tritium: I'm a postdoc here at Cornell
[05:02] <tritium> manobes, excellent.
[05:02] <tritium> meuserj|work, nice chatting with you
[05:02] <phillix> anyone have gmailfs successfully compiled and working on their ubuntu machine?
[05:02] <manobes> tritium: It beats real work
[05:03] <ewhitten_> phillix:  point me at the source and I'll try it :)
[05:03] <ren0> Hi I am having problems with ndiswrapper....
[05:03] <tritium> manobes, yeah, my employer is paying me to finish up.  It also beats real work!  I have to go back in 6 months :(
[05:03] <phillix> ewhitten: i am trying to hack all the pieces required to together. It depends on a bunch of things. The gmailfs site is http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html
[05:04] <ren0> My tale of woe is here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14851
[05:04] <manobes> tritium: I'm aiming for an academic career.  So hopefully, no real work ever!
[05:04] <andril> HELLO ALL
[05:04] <tritium> manobes, that'll work.
[05:04] <andril> sorry - hello all
[05:04] <ewhitten_> andril:  good boy.
[05:04] <ewhitten_> tritium:  it's okay, it happens a lot.
[05:04] <ren0> I was wondering based on the reply I have ...How unstable is Hoary Hedgehog.
[05:04] <ren0> ?
[05:05] <tritium> ewhitten_, just giving you a hard time for your joke ;)
[05:05] <ewhitten_> ren0:  I run it on my laptop.  no problems yet.
[05:05] <Xappe> ren0, it's quite stable for me
[05:05] <ewhitten_> just depends on how comfortable you are... new packages every day and such.
[05:06] <Xappe> yeah, i do a dist-upgrade like every hour
[05:06] <Xappe> :)
[05:06] <meuserj|work> ren0, It's fairly stable.. not quite as stable as Sid.. things will break occasionally.. but nothing to the point of meltdown.
[05:06] <ewhitten_> Xappe:  that's so hot.
[05:06] <ewhitten_> :-P
[05:06] <meuserj|work> lol
[05:06] <ewhitten_> I like hoary because I'm impatient.
[05:06] <ren0> I might change my sources.list and give it a go. I have no essential data on the laptop.
[05:06] <tritium> Xappe, I hope you don't let packages get removed when dependencies aren't met if you update that frequently.
[05:06] <ewhitten_> I tried playing around with nld9 the other day.  gnome 2.6!  yech.
[05:07] <ewhitten_> I dist-upgrade once a day or so.
[05:07] <jnk> ren0, just be prepared to have your favorite app not working for some time
[05:07] <srikat> My current harddisk is like http://img226.exs.cx/img226/9941/14sx.jpg and I plan to setup partitions like http://img219.exs.cx/img219/5440/43do.jpg <-- can you guys please check it and tell me I could proceed w/ the changes?
[05:07] <ewhitten_> whoa
[05:07] <ren0> The other option I have is to install the ndiswrapper kernel module and I am not sure how to do that.
[05:09] <jnk> ren0, for example it seems my Muine is broken at the moment
[05:09] <ewhitten_> warty is also really nice.  but hoary does make it a bit easier for the mono stuff, I find.
[05:09] <jnk> anyone with the same problem ?
[05:09] <ren0> In a way I am planning to try to stay stable with ubuntu (unlike in real life)
[05:09] <ewhitten_> jnk:  what problem are you having?  I can check it out as well.
[05:09] <jnk> ewhitten_, it just won't start: Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: libmuine   (and some debug info)
[05:10] <Poyayan> I having problems with synaptics' repository selection in Array 4
[05:10] <ewhitten_> jnk:  I'll check it out.  I'm pretty good with mono stuff :)
[05:10] <jnk> (libmuine is present)
[05:10] <srikat> ...
[05:10] <Poyayan> I select universe but it won't add or remove it unless I like edit then ok then ok
[05:11] <andril> has anyone received their UBUNTU SHIPMENT?
[05:11] <jnk> ewhitten_,  thanks!
[05:11] <Poyayan> I can't actually just click ok like I should be able to do
[05:11] <tritium> andril, months ago
[05:11] <srikat> yes andril, me
[05:11] <Poyayan> same
[05:11] <srikat> all the way to India :)
[05:11] <andril> WOW that\ strange
[05:11] <andril> I am in the US and have been waiting since they offered the CD shipment
[05:11] <tritium> andril, but I signed up for it very early on
[05:12] <ewhitten_> jnk:  alright, just a few mins.  checking out some libgmailfs stuff as well atm.
[05:12] <fesja> join ubuntu-es
[05:12] <ren0> Looking at the How To - Set up Ndiswrapper page I am a bit unsure how to proceed...
[05:12] <srikat> My current harddisk is like http://img226.exs.cx/img226/9941/14sx.jpg and I plan to setup partitions like http://img219.exs.cx/img219/5440/43do.jpg <-- can you guys please check it and tell me I could proceed w/ the changes?
[05:12] <ren0> Do I follow Try this other way?
[05:12] <jnk> ewhitten_, ok!
[05:13] <imi> hi
[05:14] <imi> i'm planning to run ubuntu on an ibm t23 800mhz/256mb ram. what should i expect performance-wise?
[05:14] <tritium> meuserj|work, you're in Indy right now?
[05:14] <manobes> imi: It'll run... but it might be a bit slow
[05:14] <meuserj|work> tritium, yeah
[05:15] <manobes> Not unusably slow though
[05:15] <jnk> imi, try adding some ram if you can
[05:15] <jnk> that will make the difference IMHO
[05:15] <imi> manobes, what's more important, cpu or ram? cause ubuntu runs nice on my athlon xp 1400mhz with the same amount of ram
[05:15] <tritium> meuserj|work, have you ever been to progeny?
[05:16] <manobes> imi: I've found ram to be more important.  But cpu does matter.
[05:16] <tritium> imi, I agree
[05:16] <jnk> I guess disk performance alsa has its say with gnome...
[05:16] <jnk> also
[05:17] <manobes> imi: You'll probably be fine with 800 Mhz... it might seem a bit "choppy" is all.
[05:17] <manobes> Don't run openoffice :)
[05:17] <meuserj|work> tritium, no, but I've thought about checking them out sometime.. I met Ian at the thing PLUG had a while back at Jakes.
[05:18] <tritium> meuserj|work, cool, right here in Debian's birthplace :)
[05:18] <meuserj|work> tritium, yup
[05:18] <imi> i've just bought that thinkpad on ebay, and the toss is between gentoo (no flames, please) and ubuntu. i know both distros pretty well, the only question is the performance (and if it's worth to compile the whole system... OOo takes 1-2 days)
[05:19] <tritium> Well, I'm off to lunch...
[05:19] <HaloGray> I had a thinkpad and gentoo... compiling kde caused a kernel panick on it
[05:19] <HaloGray> I probably botched the kernel compile though... I was new to gentoo
[05:20] <ewhitten_> phillix:  re gmailfs stuff, it looks like you need the fuse kernel module to get mounting of gmail stuff to work.  Not quite sure how to do that yet, but I'm looking
[05:20] <Riddell> HaloGray: I get complete freezes on my thinkpad all the time when I'm compiling something, no idea why, possibly overheating
[05:21] <manobes> imi: I wouldn't bother with gentoo.  The limited ram will affect your performance way more than any compile options will.
[05:21] <imi> yea, compiling everything will make a laptop "burn". i've read that even on the gentoo forums
[05:21] <ewhitten_> jnk:  sorry, works fine for me :)
[05:21] <ewhitten_> jnk:  where is your libmuine.dll installed?
[05:22] <imi> manobes, you're probably right. i can take that few seconds till ooo starts up ;)
[05:22] <Crane> I compiled fluxbox on my thinkpad last night and it took forever
[05:22] <imi> Crane, what specs?
[05:22] <Crane> of course it's old and slow
[05:22] <HaloGray> I went with arch for my thinkpad
[05:22] <Crane> it's a 233 mhx with 96 meg ram
[05:22] <HaloGray> arch and icewm
[05:22] <jnk> I have libmuine.so  libmuine.so.0  libmuine.so.0.0.0 in /usr/lib/muine
[05:23] <HaloGray> Mine was 600mhz with 128mb ram
[05:23] <Crane> 380z
[05:23] <ewhitten_> jnk:  gotcha.  alright, I'm looking :)
[05:23] <jnk> :)
[05:23] <imi> I've got a 233mhz/64mb ram noname ltop, running vector and it's okay with icewm.
[05:23] <Crane> I should get a new one but well that costs money
[05:23] <HaloGray> It had the minimalistic approach of gentoo... without all the compiling
[05:23] <Crane> :(
[05:23] <HaloGray> it loses the speed bost of gentoo, but at least it was better then a full blown distro
[05:23] <ewhitten_> jnk:  open up your /usr/share/dotnet/muine/muine.exe.config
[05:23] <imi> mozilla takes a little to starts, and i'm using abiword
[05:24] <ewhitten_> jnk:  check the dllmap for the line referencing libmuine
[05:25] <ewhitten_> man. this ubuntu stuff is so fun, it's really taking time out of my WoW playing...
[05:25] <ewhitten_> ;)
[05:25] <Xappe> haha
[05:25] <manobes> imi: You should be fine.  If you're not happy with the performance, dump gnome and try XFCE
[05:25] <harleyb> good morning. I'm using the LiveCD and am trying to change the ip address. It asks for a root password to do this, which I can't find in the FAQ or other docs for that.
[05:25] <phillix> ewhitten: re gmailfs. yes i have compiled fuse from source, you need 1.3, but it built tu fuse module in the wrong place.. it put it in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1/kernel/fs/fuse/fuse.ko when I am running 2.6.8.1-2-386 with modules in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/. I am now compiling my kernel from source
[05:25] <Crane> mozilla takes a couple secs to start and when I start Open office sheesh
[05:26] <jnk> ewhitten_, it seems to be alright: <dllmap dll="libmuine" target="/usr/lib/muine/libmuine.so"/>
[05:26] <imi> manobes i'm a gnome-guy, xfce is not an option ;). but i think it should be fine
[05:26] <ewhitten_> phillix:  once you have the module, you should have all the stuff in /proc
[05:26] <HaloGray> anybody know if there's anything to be done about how poorly starcraft runs under WINE?
[05:26] <HaloGray> aside from giving the process high priority (nice -20)
[05:26] <LinuxJones> join #wine
[05:26] <imi> HaloGray, get cedega with bittorrent
[05:26] <ewhitten_> HaloGray:  do you use cedega?
[05:27] <HaloGray> no, I use wine
[05:27] <phillix> ewhitten: yes, thats the last step I need. I have python-fuse bindings built, libgmail from CVS and gmailfs installed. fuse module is yet to work though ;)
[05:27] <LinuxJones> HaloGray, sorry I was checking to see if there was a wine help channel on freenode
[05:27] <ewhitten_>  imi:  good idea. :)
[05:27] <ewhitten_> (the apology, I mean)
[05:27] <HaloGray> lol, it's ok :)
[05:28] <imi> ewhitten_, works like a champ
[05:28] <ewhitten_> jnk:  I got World of Warcraft running now :)
[05:28] <jnk> !!
[05:28] <HaloGray> newer games run great on wine
[05:28] <jnk> ewhitten_, how much does it cost ?
[05:28] <HaloGray> I got warcraft 3 running great
[05:28] <HaloGray> but starcraft runs like ass
[05:28] <HaloGray> it makes no sense
[05:28] <ewhitten_> jnk:  I pay $5/month because I like supporting transgaming :)
[05:28] <HaloGray> you can get the cvs stuff free though
[05:28] <ewhitten_> and it gives me voting power.
[05:29] <HaloGray> you just don't get any of the support or anything
[05:29] <jnk> ewhitten_,  for Wolrd of Warcraft I mean
[05:29] <ewhitten_> jnk:  I paid $35 for the game, then I think it's like $12/month for your subscription.
[05:30] <jnk> ewhitten_, ok... then of course the problem is: this must take sooo much time :)
[05:31] <ewhitten_> jnk:  Yes, yes it does.  It will suck most of your life away for the first couple weeks, then you get a grip around lvl 20.
[05:31] <jnk> lol
[05:31] <HaloGray> is there a big risk in upgrading from 386 to 686 via package manager?
[05:31] <ewhitten_> but then you HAVE to go to lvl 40 so you can ride a horse, cat, etc.
[05:32] <jnk> HaloGray, only bugfixes for me
[05:32] <ewhitten_> HaloGray: nope, did it just fine.  just make sure that you get the right -headers and restricted-modules
[05:32] <ewhitten_> if you need the latter.
[05:32] <jnk> ewhitten_, and in what level are you ?
[05:32] <HaloGray> so, in synaptec I'd uncheck linux-386 and install linux-686 and away I go?
[05:33] <jnk> HaloGray, I would leave  386 for now
[05:33] <ewhitten_> jnk:  lvl 19, almost 20.  but I also have a girlfriend. ;)
[05:33] <jnk> lol
[05:33] <jnk> well good luck for both
[05:33] <jnk> bye
[05:33] <HaloGray> I suppose I could leave the 386
[05:33] <ewhitten_> later.
[05:33] <HaloGray> I haven't noticed any slow performance or anything
[05:33] <HaloGray> So I don't have much to gain by upgrading
[05:34] <ewhitten_> oh man, my mom cracks me up.
[05:34] <ewhitten_> her:  I went to buy a new cordless phone, but ended up with a 6 megapixel camera!
[05:35] <felix_1> No ones can help me with lm_sensors ? I already have i2c modules loaded, but I am missing end setup: sysfs ... etc ... Docs at their site is too complex...
[05:35] <souki> I don't have the default cursor.theme since my switch to hoary, any idea
[05:36] <ewhitten_> souki:  a couple people have mentioned this.  I think it's being worked on.  anyone here that can post up the one from warty?
[05:36] <LinuxJones> souki, nobody has
[05:36] <souki> thanx
[05:36] <dredg> just grab gtk2-engines-industrial_0.2.36-2_i386.deb from the archive and `dpkg -i' it
[05:38] <phillix> ewhitten: i am running kernel 2.6.8.1-2-386 with modules in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386. There doesnt seem to be a linux-headers-2.6.8.1-2-386 so I have linux-headers-2.6.8.1-16.1. But then my fuse module builds in the wrong place. Should I upgrade to the 2.6.8.1-3-386 kernel?
[05:39] <ewhitten_> phillix: yes.
[05:40] <phillix> ew: ok, i will. thx
[05:40] <srbaker> hrm
[05:40] <srbaker> when i try to play radioparadise in rhythmbox, it bitches about not having an element for mime type audio/mpeg ?
[05:42] <blah09> anyone know how to change the keyboard settings in xfce?
[05:43] <chillywilly> bah
[05:43] <blah09> ?
[05:43] <phillix> radioparadise rocks. the best playlists ever
[05:43] <chillywilly> Ubuntu failed during the install after reboot
[05:44] <blah09> and why is the taskbar on top?? thats just wrong
[05:46] <chillywilly> if I install ubuntu-desktop will I get everything that it normally installs when everything goes smoothly?
[05:46] <scouselad> hey, does anyone know where there is a guide to installing ubunto alongside winxp pro as a dual-boot system?
[05:47] <HaloGray> scouse, you shouldn't really need a guide for that, it's easy to do
[05:47] <HaloGray> Just leave some gigs free on the drive when you install xp
[05:47] <HaloGray> I chose 10 out of my 60gig drive
[05:47] <HaloGray> then go through the ubuntu install process, it will use the free space, and grub should auto-detect and add xp
[05:47] <chillywilly> is ubuntu-desktop the big fat meta package will all the goodies?
[05:47] <scouselad> so can i just make a new ext2 partition with partitionmagic and install onto that?
[05:47] <HaloGray> when you boot you should get the option to pick xp or ubuntu
[05:48] <scouselad> and should i use ext2 or ext3?
[05:48] <ewhitten_> whoo. got my old cursor theme back :)
[05:48] <HaloGray> buttload of hoary updates today...
[05:48] <ewhitten_> scourselad:  you're better off just leaving the empty space, letting the installer do that for you.
[05:48] <chillywilly> this time it did not install the nice pretty GRUB menu either...which is weird
[05:48] <HaloGray> I thought the feature freeze was activated?
[05:49] <blah09> chilly arent you supposed to hit escape to activate the grub menu
[05:49] <saif> hello,
[05:49] <HaloGray> I use ext3
[05:49] <scouselad> ok
[05:49] <blah09> i use reiserfs
[05:49] <HaloGray> What are the advantages of reiser?
[05:49] <blah09> no idea lol
[05:49] <saif> what cd writing app is there?! somethn like k3b? for gnome?
[05:49] <scouselad> ok ewhitten_ :)
[05:49] <blah09> saif open nautilus
[05:49] <blah09> go to burn:///
[05:49] <scouselad> ewhitten_: what do you mean by "leaving empty space"?
[05:49] <ewhitten_> scouselad:  when you edit your partitions, allocate your space for xp, then just don't do anything with the remaining free space
[05:50] <saif> blah09: want somethn easier to work with, burn audio cds and stuff like that, other than nautilus
[05:50] <scouselad> ewhitten_: so don't format it from windows? (as ext2/3)
[05:50] <blah09> other than that i guess only k3b
[05:50] <ewhitten_> scouselad:  right.
[05:50] <HaloGray> You don't even have the option to do that through windows
[05:50] <blah09> it should run in gnome too innit
[05:50] <HaloGray> I don't think
[05:51] <scouselad> ewhitten_: thanks
[05:51] <scouselad> thanks for your help guys, bye
[05:51] <blah09> it should if you get all the dependencies
[05:51] <phillix> gotta reboot into my new kernel. adious. thanks for the help, esp ewhitten
[05:52] <saif> ok, one more thing, how do i change the permission of a file?! i am running apache and when i put a file there, it says that access is denied due to permissions, how do i give permission to every1??
[05:52] <ewhitten_> blah09:  i apt-get install k3b...  now getting 1 of 26 packages ;)
[05:52] <blah09> =)
[05:52] <chillywilly> is hoary broken?
[05:52] <blah09> i should do that too sometime
[05:52] <blah09> chilly, no, ive been running it for a while now
[05:52] <chillywilly> well I just had an install fail in a weird way and now I had to do sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop form the shell
[05:53] <chillywilly> from*
[05:53] <blah09> ok xfce is crud imho
[05:53] <blah09> not for me i guess
[05:53] <gholen> Hi, anybody know how to fix synaptic, it craches all the time?
[05:54] <saif> don't use it! :)
[05:54] <scouselad> ok guys, one more question: will ubuntu boot from a logical partition, and does that apply to linux in general?
[05:55] <blah09> saif, =P
[05:55] <blah09> installed it to see what all the fuss was about
[05:55] <ewhitten_> scoueselad:  you should be fine.  let ubuntu choose the partitioning, just make sure you keep your xp partition.
[05:55] <scouselad> hehe, you again ;)
[05:56] <mikeycooper> is ogra the one who made xscreensaver so pretty?
[05:56] <scouselad> ehitten_: so my current config is primary c: partition, extended partition containing d: (ntfs for my docs etc in windows) and 8gb of free space after that in the extended partition, which ubuntu will format itself
[05:56] <saif> ewhitten: are you intending to dual boot?
[05:57] <scouselad> you mean me?
[05:57] <scouselad> lol
[05:57] <scouselad> yeah
[05:57] <saif> ewhitten: sorry i ment scouselad
[05:57] <scouselad> with xp pro
[05:57] <saif> scouselad: ok, did u install ubuntu before?!
[05:58] <saif> scouselad: coz i had a problem and i couldn't boot windows after installing ubuntu, a problem with the kernel
[05:58] <scouselad> no, started the installer then realised that i wasnt sure how to resize partitions with it, or if that was even possible, so went back to windows and now i'm going to make 8gb of free space in the extended partition for ubuntu
[05:58] <scouselad> ewhitten_: :p
[05:59] <scouselad> (saif: using partitionmagic)
[06:00] <saif> scouselad: ok, good luck! i don't think u hsould face the same problem as i did!
[06:00] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hi
[06:00] <scouselad> saif: ok, thanks
[06:00] <saif> scouselad: good luck!
[06:00] <scouselad> people in general: any advice on installing ubuntu (on a logical partition) alongside xp pro?
[06:01] <ctr> heh
[06:01] <mikeycooper> scouselad: are you just looking to try it out first or do you plan to stick with dual-boot?
[06:02] <AlphaXero> mornin people
[06:02] <blah09> evening
[06:02] <AlphaXero> err that too
[06:02] <scouselad> mikeycooper: well i've tried linux before, suse (installed) then knoppix (livecd) and i'd like a smallish linux partition, mostly as a backup for when windows goes wrong (as if that ever happens!)
[06:03] <shock> (as if that ever happens!) <-- check - my windows is totally screwed right now
[06:03] <shock> :P
[06:03] <Schaap> ubuntu is good enough as desktop
[06:03] <shock> ubuntu is awesome as a desktop
[06:03] <Schaap> just cant get over the no mirch thing
[06:04] <Schaap> mirc
[06:04] <shock> only that under osx all the hardware works
[06:04] <mikeycooper> scouselad: if just as a backup, why not use a ubuntu livecd?
[06:04] <shock> blagh @ mirc
[06:04] <shock> have you tried xchat?
[06:04] <blah09> xchat is slick
[06:04] <Schaap> yes
[06:04] <Schaap> its
[06:04] <Schaap> well
[06:04] <Schaap> its no mirc
[06:04] <shock> no - its quite nicer, i think
[06:04] <scouselad> mikeycooper: well the knoppix one is very slow, takes about 10 mins to boot, then to load any app takes a couple of mins, and you can't install extra stuff, i want to mess around with it a bit in my spare time!
[06:05] <blah09> scouselad give slax a try
[06:05] <Schaap> i miss the aliases
[06:05] <Schaap> the options
[06:05] <blah09> my personal favourite livecd
[06:05] <shock> schaap ?
[06:05] <Schaap> like /s -m blablabla
[06:05] <shock> say what?
[06:05] <shock> lol
[06:05] <AlphaXero> i think ubuntu needs a more less instant way to get dvd's playing
[06:05] <shock> try this:
[06:05] <Schaap> xchat just acts stupid
[06:05] <blah09> alpha its not that hard
[06:05] <shock> start xchat - do preferences->lists->user commands
[06:05] <scouselad> blah09: is it better than knoppix?
[06:05] <blah09> www.ubuntuguide.org has a guide
[06:05] <shock> and of you write =)
[06:06] <blah09> yeah its faster, i dont like knoppix
[06:06] <HaloGray> I like xchat over mirc as well, but anything can not seem as good if you're used to one particular program.
[06:06] <blah09> kanotix got good reviews in a local mag, but its probably just as bloated
[06:06] <Schaap> including the -m ?
[06:06] <AlphaXero> i like xchat
[06:06] <Schaap> and then the leck of good bittorrent apps
[06:06] <Schaap> lack
[06:06] <blah09> azureus?
[06:07] <njan> azureus works fine for me in ubuntu :)
[06:07] <Schaap> i dont liek azu
[06:07] <Schaap> recource hog
[06:07] <njan> Schaap, yes, it's coded in java, what's your point?
[06:07] <blah09> ABC has a linux version doesnt it
[06:07] <njan> :)
[06:07] <blah09> lol
[06:07] <AlphaXero> yeah i compiled mPlayer for dvd playback but there should be something in Synaptic or apt for instant gratification
[06:07] <Schaap> recource
[06:07] <apokryphos> What reasonable alternatives are there to Azureus?
[06:07] <njan> apokryphos, theshadow's bittorrent client
[06:07] <Schaap> see, ubuntu only has azu
[06:08] <Agrajag> AlphaXero: it takes maybe 5 seconds to enable universe
[06:08] <Schaap> im not saying its a bad bt client
[06:08] <apokryphos> njan: Can you apt for that?
[06:08] <[Spooky] > njan: cool, i cant install the java :/
[06:08] <Schaap> its just a bad program
[06:08] <njan> apokryphos, no idea, haven't tried.
[06:08] <Agrajag> or to add debian-marillat
[06:08] <njan> [Spooky] , :-p
[06:08] <njan> [Spooky] , it isn't hard
[06:08] <AlphaXero> i added thato to the source list but wouldnt connect
[06:08] <njan> [Spooky] , just read the ubuntu wiki :)
[06:08] <bzbb> shit
[06:08] <bzbb> I think i've been rooted
[06:08] <scouselad> blah09: just looked at the slax website - is it a graphical system? does it come with kde/gnome? or is it text mode?
[06:08] <njan> bzbb, turn the machine off, right now.
[06:09] <njan> bzbb, power it down, unplug it, mirror the hard drive.
[06:09] <bzbb> different machine
[06:09] <blah09> graphical
[06:09] <blah09> slackware based i think
[06:09] <njan> bzbb, reformat, reinstall, analyse mirrored drive.
[06:09] <SmokingFire> I want to download the hoary livecd. Should I download it normally or is bittorrent faster?
[06:09] <scouselad> blah09: ok, i'll have a look
[06:09] <bzbb> the machine with that problem is off
[06:09] <njan> bzbb, what are the symptoms?
[06:09] <blah09> look at the screenshots ;)
[06:09] <bzbb> I can't list processes
[06:09] <blah09> kde...
[06:09] <scouselad> thanks again guys, particularly blah09, ewhitten, mikeycooper :)
[06:10] <njan> bzbb, as root/regular user? what happens?
[06:10] <bzbb> if I try anything that lists processes, it hangs
[06:10] <bzbb> killall does too
[06:10] <njan> bzbb, anything else?
[06:10] <bzbb> firefox doesn't work
[06:11] <bzbb> if I run ps, for example, it hangs, and ctrl-c won't kill it
[06:11] <njan> well, I suppose if someone'd installed a rootkit badly, they could have replaced those commands with versions that hung. But firefox wouldn't hang. I'd bear rooting in mind, but if those are the only symptoms, I'd probably consider a fucked install/machine to be slightly more likely.
[06:11] <njan> I'd still do a clean reinstall with trusted media though.
[06:11] <njan> and analyse the drive offline/in a chroot.
[06:11] <bzbb> njan, it just happened one day
[06:11] <bzbb> just working fine, then, nothing
[06:12] <njan> bzbb, well, the best rootkits are astonishingly hard to detect, it's quite scary. If you have even an intuition that it might be rooted, I'd reinstall, especially if it's doing anything in the remotest bit important.
[06:12] <bzbb> I think they firefox problem maybe be unrelated
[06:12] <bzbb> I just can't diagnose it without any tools
[06:12] <njan> bzbb, but use your own judgement; you're the administrator, not me :)
[06:12] <njan> bzbb, you could try running chkrootkit on it.
[06:13] <[Spooky] > njan: tried a howto on www.ubuntuguide.org and it didnt work...
[06:13] <bzbb> yay sneakernet
[06:13] <njan> [Spooky] , there are a few different ways of installing java; try going over it more carefully or using one of the alternative methods
[06:13] <njan> bzbb, ?
[06:13] <stvn> er.. if you burn a CD with nautilus, where does it store the temporary image?
[06:13] <bzbb> the rooted machine is off my network
[06:14] <njan> bzbb, always good.
[06:14] <njan> bzbb, download chkrootkit, stick it on a floppy, run on the machine.
[06:15] <king_arthur> hi there, everyboddy.. just a quick question... does anybody now how to get a screenshot from a console command?
[06:15] <bzbb> njan, I used a usb keydrive
[06:15] <bzbb> and, it, hangs
[06:16] <njan> bzbb, got a copy of knoppix std handy?
[06:16] <lil_anthony> question what does this mean and how can it be fixed every time i try to login to ubuntu i get the following
[06:16] <HaloGray> king_arther: I don't know if that's possible... I'm not terribly sure anyway
[06:16] <bzbb> no
[06:16] <bzbb> I do have the ubuntu livecd around
[06:16] <king_arthur> HaloGray: thanks for reply
[06:16] <njan> bzbb, that doesn't have chkrootkit on it, but I guess you could run it off the key.
[06:16] <HaloGray> it wouldn't make sense logically to me
[06:16] <king_arthur> HaloGray: I am going back to gnome desktop and let you know...
[06:16] <lil_anthony> your session has only lasted less than 10 sec. if you have not logged out yourself this could mean that there is some installation problem or that you may be out of diskspace. try loggin in as failsafe to fix problem
[06:17] <HaloGray> xserver just prevides a footprint, it's whatever windows manager or desktop environment that puts everything together
[06:17] <HaloGray> one would think only that knows exactly what's going on... and only that would be able to provide a screenshot
[06:18] <lil_anthony> i look at the error and it says unable to read ICE authority file any help on this would be great
[06:19] <njan> king_arthur, man xwd#
[06:19] <njan> king_arthur, man xwd
[06:19] <king_arthur> njan: wow thanks for that one
[06:20] <njan> king_arthur, yw
[06:20] <njan> king_arthur, there's at least one other way of doing it from the console that I know of, but I know that xwd's in ubuntu by default, so that's probably your best starting point ;)
[06:20] <gioeleb> hi
[06:20] <foznot> anyone else have problems getting nvidia sound to work...i can't get ubuntu to find my soundcard
[06:20] <gioeleb> all my files from my vfat partition are unreadable
[06:21] <njan> gioeleb, what do you mean? What are you trying to do, and what happens?
[06:21] <gioeleb> in fstab I have "defaults,rw,fmask=111"
[06:21] <king_arthur> I am using a icewm desktop and woul like to take some shots is that the way to do it?
[06:21] <dr_willis> king_arthur,  several tools out camn take screenshots.
[06:21] <dr_willis> Gimp, xv, imagemagic i think also can do it.
[06:21] <njan> gioeleb, you trying to mount the partition as read only?
[06:22] <gioeleb> I have one file "D:\file.txt" mounted to "/mnt/win_d/file.txt". If I open that file with an editor and write something into it, then the editor complains
[06:22] <froust> How can I stop nautilus from opening a new window every time I click a folder?
[06:22] <king_arthur> dr_willis: any hints for that?
[06:22] <blah09> froust go to the preferences
[06:22] <gioeleb> ls -la /mnt/win_d/file.txt shows me that the file have r--r--r-- permissions
[06:22] <blah09> under behaviour
[06:22] <blah09> tick "always open in browser windows"
[06:23] <dr_willis> king_arthur,  use gimp its right there in the menus somewhere.
[06:23] <njan> gioeleb, if you're mounting the entire partition as mode 111, you're mounting it as execute only
[06:23] <king_arthur> dr_willis: Gimp can do it?
[06:23] <dr_willis> king_arthur,  it could in the past.
[06:23] <gioeleb> njan:no, fmask = mask for files (before it all the files had r-xr-xr-x)
[06:24] <froust> blah09: thanks - how can i make it so when i click the home icon on my desktop, it opens with tahat file browser, not the other one?
[06:24] <king_arthur> dr_willis: I'll let you know in a few minutes 8)
[06:24] <AlphaXero> what audio codec should I set my mPlayer to use for divx and dvd movies?
[06:24] <froust> one looks almost like a web browser, one is much more barebones.
[06:25] <njan> gioeleb, hmm.. you're right, I don't know my mount options well enough.. as root or as a regular user?
[06:25] <foznot> gioeleb maybe you can just add users to your mount options
[06:26] <foznot> that should let you mount it without being root
[06:26] <gioeleb> foznot: they are readonly also for the owner
[06:26] <foznot> gotcha
[06:26] <gioeleb> I think I found the prob... maybe the files are readonly also under win
[06:26] <king_arthur> dr_willis: Gimp does it
[06:26] <foznot> change the perms to 777 if you are the only one on  the computer
[06:27] <blah09> froust its basically nautilus
[06:27] <blah09> with an address bar
[06:27] <gioeleb> foznot: vfat don't allow chmod
[06:27] <gioeleb> ..doesn't..
[06:27] <froust> blah09: i know - how can i make it open with the address bar etc by default?
[06:27] <dr_willis> mounting a vfat's permissions are set when you mount it.
[06:27] <dr_willis> if that makes sence. :P
[06:28] <dr_willis> when Mounting a vfat partition - the permissions are set to a default by the mount command options.
[06:28] <kdog_u> I'm testing out the hoary live cd on this Dell Inspiron and Rhythmbox is complaining with "There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg." when I try to play an internet stream. What is it missing?
[06:28] <dr_willis> THere we go. :P that makes sence right?
[06:28] <gioeleb> dr_willis: this is what I do, but somehow the masks are not respected
[06:29] <blah09> froust once that thing is checked
[06:29] <blah09> it should in future
[06:29] <froust> it doesn't. will i have to reload x?
[06:29] <blah09> nope
[06:29] <mikeycooper> kdog_u: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:30] <blah09> try making sure that the last nautilus window you close is the one with the bar
[06:30] <blah09> when you tick the box again
[06:31] <froust> blah
[06:31] <froust> thanks - that worked
[06:31] <blah09> np
[06:31] <Stinky_Taco> Is there a Free way in linux to compile Virtual Basic code? TIA :)
[06:32] <dr_willis> Hmm. Sounds like a Job for google! :P
, thanks I been there done that :)
[06:33] <kdog_u> mikeycooper, of course. I should have remembered that. I was just so excited when Hoary camy up in 1600x1200 with sound :-)
[06:33] <Stinky_Taco> I really dont want to pay Micro$oft tax to compile Virtual basic code :/
[06:34] <dr_willis> Stinky_Taco,  i think you may be out of luck.
[06:34] <Stinky_Taco> yea, i kinna figurred that :)
[06:34] <Stinky_Taco> i thought i might ask, i have been suprisedin the past..
[06:34] <Stinky_Taco> supprised
[06:34] <dr_willis> heh
[06:35] <dr_willis> chedk the google newsgroup searches?
[06:35] <Stinky_Taco> I can open Micro soft office documents, and compile C cod 8)
[06:35] <dr_willis> I recall some VB clone for linux. but not sure how well developped it was.
[06:35] <Stinky_Taco> Oooo Cool Thanks!
[06:35] <dr_willis> this was like 2 yr ago.
[06:35] <Stinky_Taco> Oh , i have never checked synaptic...
[06:35] <dr_willis> a google search sould of found it. :P i'd think.
[06:35] <dr_willis> heh
[06:35] <ron_> ok does anyone know ubuntu well?
[06:36] <Stinky_Taco> might be something :)
[06:36] <lakin> ron_, just ask your question, if someone knows the answer, they'll answer.
[06:36] <ron_> i need to learn a new trick and have no idea even where to look
 i know it well enough to admit i dont know it :)
[06:36] <ron_> ok
[06:36] <lazzaro> hi folks  !
[06:36] <Stinky_Taco> wait, there are lots of GURU here :)
[06:36] <ron_> how do i take a new application and put it in the start menu
[06:36] <lazzaro> paolo from italy here !
[06:36] <ron_> and wait
[06:36] <dr_willis> HBasic, a VB Clone for Linux, available
[06:36] <ron_> even not knowing the command to start it to begin with
[06:36] <tritium> hi lazzaro
[06:37] <dr_willis> file not found... :(
[06:37] <lazzaro> tritium hi
[06:37] <ron_> i used apt get to get an application but it will not dstart and i have
[06:37] <lakin> Stinky_Taco, mono is an Open Source/Free Software .NET implementation,  Glade is an interface designer for GTK.
[06:37] <ron_> no idea where it is
[06:37] <TreadingSoftly> ron_: what application?
[06:37] <tritium> ron_, "dpkg -L packagename" will list the files in the package
[06:37] <dr_willis> Stinky_Taco,  --> http://hbasic.sourceforge.net/
[06:37] <Stinky_Taco> Ron try rightclicking on the start button thing, I think it has a way to add menu item...
[06:37] <lakin> ron_: open nautilus go to location: applications:///  in there yo ucan create new laungchers.
[06:37] <Stinky_Taco> COOL TANKS!!!
[06:37] <ron_> bible from universe kjv
[06:38] <lakin> man, my spelling sucks.
[06:38] <tritium> ron_, "dpkg -L bible-kjv", for example
[06:39] <tritium> ron_, look for something in /usr/bin
[06:39] <ron_> ok now we get close
[06:39] <ron_> usr bin
[06:39] <ron_> is that where applications info is?
[06:39] <lazzaro> i need some help with my cd burner...hdX=ide-scsi and ignore=hdX on grub options and modprobe ide-scsi and sg....now my cdburner works perfect but the simple mount of a cd doesn't work anymore....any ideas  ? some missing link on /dev ?
[06:39] <tritium> that's where user binaries (appliations) reside, ron_
[06:40] <dr_willis> your /dev is provberly got cdrom linked to hdd or similer. vs the /dev/scd0 it now needs to be.
[06:40] <dr_willis> of course i was thinking with the newer kernels the whole ide-scsi stuff isent needed at all any more.
[06:40] <lazzaro> i look for scd0 but it still missing !
[06:40] <lazzaro> scd0 doesn't exists !
[06:40] <lazzaro> and no cdrom link in /dev directory
[06:41] <lazzaro> (i'm running warty 2.6 kernel)
[06:41] <tritium> lazzaro, any reason you're using scsi emulation?
[06:41] <lazzaro> ...ide cdbuner
[06:41] <tritium> lazzaro, and?
[06:42] <dr_willis> lazzaro,  i can get mine working without useing scsi-emulation
[06:42] <dr_willis> :P
[06:42] <lazzaro> ? no ide-scsi emulation then ?
[06:42] <tritium> lazzaro, it's easier if you don't bother with scsi emulation
[06:42] <dr_willis> is what hes getting at - scsi-emulation should NOT be needed witjh the 2.6 Kernels.
[06:42] <balkan> when is the new release of ubuntu coming?
[06:42] <tritium> April
[06:42] <Ex-Cyber> balkan: April
[06:43] <lazzaro> ...what kind of changes with 2.6 ? ...modprobe (what) ?
[06:43] <tritium> ron_, did you find the application listed in /usr/bin ?
[06:43] <lazzaro> (and remove hdX=ide_scsi from grub options)
[06:43] <balkan> that long...how am i supposed to wait until then...i'm dying to install ubuntu...
[06:43] <Ex-Cyber> balkan: Ubuntu is on a 6-month release cycle (following GNOME's release cycle)
[06:43] <balkan> Ex-Cyber: were can i see what will be in the new release?
[06:44] <tritium> lazzaro, put "ide-cd" in your /etc/modules
[06:44] <pdaoust> this is weird...... anybody have a Matrox card? I don't know what I did to my xorg.conf, but I have no OpenGL (specifically glx)... can't even run glxgears
[06:44] <Ex-Cyber> balkan: if you're feeling adventurous you could try a Hoary Array release
[06:45] <Ex-Cyber> pdaoust: have you installed any special GL drivers?
[06:45] <lazzaro> tritium any other setting ?
[06:45] <tritium> lazzaro, that should be it
[06:45] <pdaoust> Ex-Cyber: I did once upon a time, when I was trying out an nVidia card
[06:45] <chrismurf> Hey all, what's the current status of Power Management in Hoary wrt laptops?
[06:45] <lazzaro> tritium i hope cdrecord could see the device
[06:46] <Ex-Cyber> pdaoust: what kind of error message do you get when you try to run glxgears?
[06:46] <chrismurf> specifically - is standby or hibernate working?
[06:46] <AlphaXero> i'm running warty on a laptop
[06:46] <pdaoust> chrismurf: as with all Linux distros, it works great some places, not so great other places. typically, suspend-to-disk doesn't work
[06:46] <Parallax_> how can i see a MS Access db in linux?
[06:46] <balkan> Ex-Cyber: is there a change-log somewhere. or something were i can see what they intend to ship in the new release?
[06:46] <tritium> lazzaro, you may have to use "cdrecord dev=ATAPI: -scanbus" to find it
[06:46] <tritium> lazzaro, then, configure it in /etc/default/cdrecord
[06:46] <pdaoust> Ex-Cyber: two simple messages
[06:46] <pdaoust> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:46] <pdaoust> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[06:46] <chrismurf> pdaoust, I'm running warty - works great, but I want power management - does suspend-to-memory work in hoary?
[06:46] <tritium> lazzaro, But, nautilus doesn't use cdrecord.
[06:47] <pdaoust> chrismurf: there you have me. haven't ever bothered with power features, other than having X turn off my monitor after a half hour
[06:47] <Ex-Cyber> balkan: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals
[06:47] <lazzaro> ok i'm going to try......
[06:47] <lazzaro> tnx tritium
[06:47] <lazzaro> really many tnx!
[06:47] <chrismurf> pdaoust, yeah - it's fine on my desktop, but my laptop needs to go with me from place to place.
[06:47] <lazzaro> bye folks.....cu
[06:48] <pdaoust> chrismurf: ohhhhhhhhhh... wish I could help; not lucky enough to have a laptop :)
[06:48] <chrismurf> :-)
[06:48] <chrismurf> anybody else know whether suspend-to-memory is working in hoary?  I see on the wiki it was a goal
[06:48] <lil_anthony> is there a linux alternative to dvdshrink anywhere?
[06:48] <tritium> chrismurf, it's working pretty well
[06:49] <pdaoust> Ex-Cyber: found something in the forums, abut symlinking libglx.so to libglx.a; I'll try it out... weird that you'd have to do that though. funny thing is, it seems to be common to people who got rid of an nVidia card and got a Matrox, just like me.
[06:49] <Ex-Cyber> pdaoust: is there a line in your xorg.conf that looks like this: Load "glx"
[06:49] <pdaoust> Ex-Cyber: you bet
[06:49] <chrismurf> tritium, awesome - thanks.  I've been happy with hoary on my desktop, I guess it's time for the laptop :-)
[06:49] <tritium> chrismurf, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM
[06:49] <pdaoust> Ex-Cyber: and GLcore and dri
[06:49] <Ex-Cyber> hm
[06:49] <tritium> chrismurf, take a look at the link to the HoaryPMResults
[06:49] <pdaoust> ennyway, I gotta jet, but thanks for the help!
[06:50] <chrismurf> tritium, thanks - missed that page
[06:50] <tritium> chrismurf, no problem
[06:50] <chrismurf> tritium, is it safe to assume that for suspend-to-disk to work you have to have more swap space than memory?
[06:51] <romulo> hi, im running a machine with hoary,my other machine is debian and its sharing internet ok, this machine with hoary cannot ping it, since the last dist-upgrade, what can this be?
[06:51] <tritium> chrismurf, I'm not exactly sure what the minimum requirements are...
[06:52] <tritium> mjg59, are there minimum requirements on swap space for suspend to disk?
[06:53] <Get> After my latest upgrade i lost my graphicdriver, what to do? (i run hoary)
[06:53] <tritium> Get, what packages were upgraded?  newly installed?  removed?
[06:54] <Get> tritium: it was very many upgraded packages
[06:54] <ron_> ok it didnt work it did show the bible.bin file in the usr bin area but no help file for the application bible hello that program is in my system but i cant find it or start ithelpppppppppppppppppppppp
[06:54] <AlphaXero> is there a way to upgrade warty to hoary without downloading a new iso and installing that way?
[06:54] <tritium> Get, did you upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[06:54] <Get> tritium: dist-upgrade
[06:54] <tritium> Get, was anything removed?
[06:54] <Get> tritium: nope
[06:54] <ron_> ok it didnt work it did show the bible.bin file in the usr bin area but no help file for the application bible hello that program is in my system but i cant find it or start ithelpppppppppppppppppppppp
[06:55] <ron_> helppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
[06:55] <tritium> ron, you can't even run it from the command line?
[06:55] <ron_> dont know the command
[06:55] <ron_> thats the whole issue
[06:55] <tritium> ron_, the name of the file you saw in /usr/bin.  What is it?
[06:56] <ron_> it is bible
[06:56] <AlphaXero> dist-upgrade does a distro upgrade to hoary from warty?
[06:56] <tritium> ron_, that's the command
[06:56] <ron_> ok
[06:56] <ron_> yes it brought up something
[06:56] <apokryphos> AlphaXero: If you have the sources changed, yes.
[06:56] <R0bNyc> How compatible is HOary with DEbian? since I'm trying to install apt-build , so I can compile
[06:57] <tritium> R0bNyc, apt-build is available in ubuntu.  Are you trying to install Debian's?
[06:57] <romulo> hi my ubuntu box just stopped to see the network after a dist-upgrade, what can i do? its already configured
[06:58] <HaloGray> did you have to build your own net driver originally?
[06:58] <LinuxJones> romulo, try /etc/init.d/networking restart
[06:58] <HaloGray> you'll have to do it again
[06:59] <R0bNyc> tritium, Not really I'm just trying to install apt-build, then apt-build install memstat and etc configure apt-build, so isntead of apt-get I would do apt-build http://osdir.com/Article3489.phtml   http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html
[06:59] <R0bNyc> thats what I'm trying to do
[06:59] <R0bNyc> I do it on Kanotix (Debian), MEpis, but haven't been able on Ubuntu
[06:59] <romulo> LinuxJones, isnt working =/
[06:59] <will> i have an intel 815 chipset with built in audio, and all audio runs extremely quickly, anyone have any ideas as to what this could be?
[07:00] <tritium> R0bNyc, "sudo apt-get install apt-build"
[07:00] <LinuxJones> romulo, try network-admin
[07:00] <Jelte> Hi guys... i'm looking for an editor that will allow me to select blocks of texts in a text file, but not line by line... in other words selecting the first x characters from every line in a text file with the mouse (if that makes sense) ... anyone know of an editor that can do that?
[07:00] <tritium> R0bNyc, it's in Hoary universe
[07:00] <arj> hi
[07:00] <romulo> Destination host unreachable
[07:00] <R0bNyc> yes thanks, I'm doing so but I always have a problem with memstat
[07:01] <R0bNyc> ok I'm done with sudo apt-get install apt-build
[07:01] <R0bNyc> now I have to do sudo apt-build install memstat
[07:01] <romulo> will try network admin
[07:02] <R0bNyc> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[07:02] <R0bNyc>   memstat
[07:02] <R0bNyc> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 19 not upgraded.
[07:02] <R0bNyc> Need to get 0B/10.1kB of archives.
[07:02] <R0bNyc> After unpacking 45.1kB of additional disk space will be used.
[07:02] <R0bNyc> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[07:02] <R0bNyc>   memstat
[07:02] <R0bNyc> E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes
[07:02] <duron> hi up. do you know any tutorial to install gdesklets??? Thanks in advance!!!
[07:02] <arj> somebody can tell me where I find the files about user accounts?
[07:03] <LinuxJones> romulo, is your card listed in network admin ?
[07:03] <R0bNyc> tritium, you see
[07:03] <romulo> LinuxJones, will check it, i was turning on the other machine
[07:03] <tritium> R0bNyc, yes, but I don't know what the problem is
[07:03] <mastertet> Hello, I just installed ubuntu custom, whithout gnome. I want to install a package from source downloaded from the net. What package do I need to configure and make software from source?
[07:03] <R0bNyc> Me neither but it has worked in Kanotix and Mepis
[07:04] <tritium> mastertet, build-essential
[07:04] <mastertet> it is a meta package?
[07:04] <tritium> yes
[07:04] <romulo> LinuxJones, yeah it is
[07:05] <mastertet> thanks :)
[07:05] <romulo> and i reconfigured it and isnt working again =P
[07:05] <HaloGray> brb
[07:05] <Josip> Hello geeky fellas ;-)
[07:05] <LinuxJones> romulo, are you using dhcp or static ip address ?
[07:05] <romulo> LinuxJones, static ip
[07:05] <LinuxJones> romulo, it's going to a router of some sort I take it ?
[07:06] <Josip> I can mount /dev/hda5 as ntfs partition (it has winxp installed on it), but in GRUB I can't root (hd4,0) nor root (hd5,0)
[07:06] <romulo> LinuxJones, no, its only a cross cable between 2 computers
[07:06] <AlphaXero> does totem play dvd's, or do i just need to use mPlayer
[07:06] <romulo> when i do ping the lights on the card fash but it doesnt ping
[07:07] <Josip> I get <Error 21: Selected disk does not exist
[07:07] <Josip> >
[07:07] <tritium> Josip, hd0,4 and hd0,5
[07:07] <will> AlphaXero: you need the libdvdcss2 for it
[07:07] <R0bNyc> It says memstat cannot be authenticated why not
[07:07] <LinuxJones> romulo, what does ifconfig -a | grep 'inet addr' output
[07:07] <LinuxJones> romulo, put it to pastebin.ca
[07:07] <Josip> stupid me -_-, so /dev/hda5 will be hd0,4 (because it's starting from 0 , not 1), right ?
[07:07] <AlphaXero> ok once I get that from synaptic it should usable
[07:08] <tritium> Josip, yeah
[07:08] <Josip> thanks guys
[07:08] <felix_1> Any ones know how to have shadows with xcompmgr ?? I launch it but see nothing changed ...
[07:08] <AlphaXero> i'm not familiar with linux yet, wasnt sure if codecs were on a per-application basis or system-wide
[07:08] <R0bNyc> tritium, there's a problem with memstat in ubuntu repo.
[07:08] <tritium> R0bNyc, maybe so
[07:08] <mastertet> Is there a way to create a debian package instead of doing "make install" when I wanna install software from source?
[07:09] <romulo> http://rafb.net/paste/results/UoFitG45.html
[07:09] <NaosZ> Hello all
[07:09] <felix_1> Any ones know how to have shadows with xcompmgr ?? I launch it but see nothing changed ... ( sorry for repeating the quetion )
[07:09] <Butsy> net
[07:10] <felix_1> man xcompmgr doesn't help ...
[07:10] <tritium> romulo, only use dist-upgrade when you see packages being held back.  on a daily basis, use upgrade
[07:10] <LinuxJones> romulo, is that ip address correct ?
[07:11] <romulo> tritium, ?!?!!
[07:11] <romulo> LinuxJones, yeah it is
[07:11] <romulo> i did configured it right
[07:11] <romulo> btw the act light on network card isnt flashing
[07:11] <romulo> on the server one
[07:11] <romulo> wich is debian box
[07:12] <tritium> I'll be back in an hour
[07:12] <romulo> but server is ok, im on internet trough it
[07:12] <LinuxJones> romulo, an upgrade shouldn't bork your networking like that
[07:12] <romulo> LinuxJones, yeah i think that too =/ but dunno
[07:12] <romulo> can be cable the problem?
[07:13] <LinuxJones> romulo, unless the wire or something got pinched, probably not
[07:14] <LinuxJones> romulo, it was working correct before upgrade to hoary ?
[07:14] <R0bNyc> tritium, why do I have for example 2 different firefox window on 1 tab list , Imtrying to have them seperate but i cant find no preference to have the taskbar list seperate even if its the same
[07:14] <romulo> LinuxJones, yeah it was working fine b4 the upgrade, i was using hoary b4, just upgrade like a daily one
[07:14] <NaosZ> guys I'm a current M$ user thinking about switching to Ubuntu.. any advice for a noob? :)
[07:14] <e-Jah> do you know how to configure the temperature on wich the fan must begin to work ?
[07:14] <romulo> now it doenst work even on live, m$ shit, and suse
[07:15] <floater> hey, how can I ungroup similar tabs ? if I have 2 roots open, the x-windows tend to group them
[07:15] <lightbade> how do i remove the ntp.ubuntulinux.com message at bootup?
[07:15] <LinuxJones> romulo, do you have a live cd you can boot to and see if your networking comes to life. Thant would eliminate a hardware/software problem with what you have right now.
[07:16] <floater> NaosZ ubuntu is a good choice, if you have a good connection you could try dl that live-cd and check whether your hardware is detected... if it is , then it is rather easy to switch
[07:16] <romulo> LinuxJones, yeah i already tried ubuntu live, suse live, and even a microsoft one =P
[07:17] <floater> if not, it's still a good choice, and while you find drivers you will learn the basics of linux when finding right drivers
[07:17] <LinuxJones> romulo, does it work ?
[07:17] <floater> etc
[07:17] <Josip> how can I boot a hdd partition with GRUB on the install cd ?
[07:17] <pdaoust> Ex-Cyber: found what the problem was; nvidia-glx overwrites libglx.so and removes libglx.a... you have to uninstall nvidia-glx and then it'll put the x.org drivers back :)
[07:17] <romulo> LinuxJones, no.
[07:17] <Josip> I mean the GRUB which is loaded when the CD is booted
[07:17] <NaosZ> yeah Im DL'n it atm, got the full dist last night by mistake, its that I'm a total noob with linux commands and stuff... any idea how hard I would find it switching?
[07:17] <pdaoust> Ex-Cyber: just in case you run into that problem at any time...
[07:18] <LinuxJones> romulo, well it's a hardware problem or problem with your server ip forewarding setup on the Debian system
[07:18] <[Spooky] > Anyone have a working howto on installing Java ?
[07:18] <floater> NaosZ: well you need to download www.ubuntuguide.org if your network doesn't work
[07:18] <floater> before hand
[07:18] <romulo> LinuxJones, uhm, that sux =/
[07:18] <Josip> [Spooky] , check the wiki
[07:18] <floater> there is a link where you can download the whole site to your harddrive
[07:18] <bluefoxicy> my cds aren't here yte
[07:18] <bluefoxicy> yet
[07:18] <bet0x> omg
[07:18] <bet0x> o love Ubuntu
[07:18] <theine> Hi, when i want to install mplayer-586 from multiverse, synaptic reports that libavcodeccvs is not available. is there a fix for that?
[07:18] <bluefoxicy> I ordered in like, november
[07:19] <bet0x> i have the CDS here
[07:19] <bet0x> :D
[07:19] <[Spooky] > Josip: done that...
[07:19] <bet0x> Shiped by Ubuntu ppl
[07:19] <bet0x> nice desing
[07:19] <bet0x> :D
[07:19] <Josip> can anyone help me ? thanks thanks ;-)
[07:19] <NaosZ> cheers
[07:19] <felix_1> Hey guys, that's ok, xcompmgr works fine if I RTFD !!! hahahahaha
[07:19] <theine> Josip: help you with what?
[07:19] <Josip> I need to boot my WindowsXP partition , to make backup some backup .
[07:19] <floater> I am a noob too but it was rather easy to set it all up
[07:19] <romulo> LinuxJones, wow, it worked now =P
[07:20] <LinuxJones> romulo, what was wrong ?
[07:20] <Josip> can I boot a hdd partition with GRUB which starts when Ubuntu LiveCD's booted
[07:20] <romulo> LinuxJones, i just got /etc/init.d/networking stop and then ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.16 netmask 255.255.255.0 up
[07:20] <romulo> and route add default gw 192.168.0.2
[07:20] <romulo> and it worked =P
[07:20] <LinuxJones> romulo, cool
[07:20] <theine> Josip: say again?
[07:20] <Josip> well, my boot-loader has fooked up
[07:21] <theine> you can't boot into windows anymore?
[07:21] <Josip> I have installed only WindowsXP on my hdd. I haven't got WindowsXP CD to fixmbr/fixboot
[07:21] <lightbade> hi! how do i remove the ntp.ubuntulinux.com message at bootup?
[07:21] <Josip> and I can't go out to fetch a CD from a friend because I'm sick
[07:21] <LinuxJones> romulo, you should write a hoto and put it on the wiki for anybody else who wants to share an Internet connection.
[07:21] <floater> well, can't you install a new MBR from your ubuntu cd
[07:22] <theine> you can boot into your windows partition with grub
[07:22] <romulo> LinuxJones, ok i will
[07:22] <Josip> floater, explain please
[07:22] <Josip> ?
[07:22] <romulo> LinuxJones, whats wiki adress?
[07:22] <Josip> romulo, google : ubuntu wiki
[07:22] <theine> Josip: does grub still show up when you start the computer?
[07:22] <theine> Josip: without the live-cd...
[07:23] <floater> the bootloader installation within the ubuntu cd not live cd... didn't have much options but I think you were able to install that bootloader before you installed an OS
[07:23] <mastertet> mmm, do I need something special to build afterstep from source, configure script is ok but make gives me plenty of error?
[07:23] <Josip> I haven't had GRUB, but some stupid Intel Boot Agent (preinstalled from IBM ;-X)
[07:23] <theine> Josip: but you've got ubuntu installed, right?
[07:23] <floater> in RH9 install cd you can install a bootloader from the RH9 CD and then just quit your OS install... simply just act like if you were installing a new OS and then quit after it installed the new MBR
[07:24] <floater> well.. I am unsure, I might try that, but I suggest you ask more info from someone who knows better
[07:24] <Josip> and when I try to grub-install /dev/hda from the live cd I get this <Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.>
[07:24] <Josip> I haven't installed Ubuntu on my HDD .
[07:24] <Josip> and I can't install it because I have to repartition my hdd .
[07:24] <theine> Josip: well, that's a problem
[07:25] <floater> hmm, can't you repartition your hdd's while you are installing the OS
[07:25] <Josip> theine, I know . If it was simple I could solve it ;-)
[07:25] <theine> Josip: you would have to use lilo if you don't have linux partition that grub can read from i guess
[07:25] <Josip> floater, yes I can but I can't backup data on CDs and I can't burn from Ubuntu's Live CD
[07:25] <theine> Josip: is lilo on the live-cd
[07:25] <theine> ?
[07:25] <Josip> nope, ofcouse
[07:25] <bascule> Josip: http://enterprise.linux.com/enterprise/04/11/18/232240.shtml?tid=102&tid=101
[07:26] <Josip> ofcourse*
[07:26] <Josip> bascule, hope that'll hlep
[07:26] <theine> Josip: that's too bad
[07:26] <Josip> help* , I'm mistyping too much .
[07:26] <bascule> nerves :)
[07:26] <Josip> I can't install GRUB from LiveCD, if I manage to install it everything will work fine
[07:27] <Josip> or just to boot the windows partition, because I can't boot it with the "GRUB" which starts with the LiveCD
[07:27] <theine> Josip: GRUB needs a configuration file to read from
[07:27] <bascule> chroot to you r ubuntu install from the live cd, follow those instructions I posted ...
[07:27] <theine> Josip: no wait, it doesn't...
[07:27] <theine> Josip: i mean, not necessarily
[07:27] <floater> heyyyy, how can I ungroup my taskbar TABS? x-windows groups those tabs
[07:28] <theine> Josip: could you get into the grub prompt please?
[07:28] <Josip> yes,
[07:28] <Josip> grub> root (hd0,4)
[07:28] <Josip>  Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7
[07:28] <bascule> <-- wasting his time? doesn't know what he's talking about? muppet? clueless?
[07:28] <theine> Josip: just do:
[07:28] <theine> setup (hd0)
[07:29] <Josip> from GRUB which is started with the livecd ?
[07:29] <Josip> before Ubuntu's booted .
[07:29] <MacSociety> Good day... Any PowerMac G5 Ubuntu users here today?
[07:29] <Josip> just setup(hd0) then root (hd0,4) and it will boot, right ?
[07:29] <theine> Josip: are you running the live-cd right now?
[07:29] <Josip> yes
[07:30] <theine> type grub in a terminal
[07:30] <Josip> already have
[07:30] <theine> now setup (hd0)
[07:30] <Josip> Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition
[07:30] <Josip> it's already mounted
[07:30] <bascule> chroot <-- honestly!!
[07:30] <Josip> wait a second to reboot
[07:31] <Hannes_> whooo
[07:31] <Hannes_> snow
[07:32] <r3v3rb> ok - any gstreamer experts online tonight ?
[07:33] <floater> hey will my wine work if I install it from here http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb instead of those "backports" things
[07:33] <MacSociety> Newbie looking for help.  Any PPC G5 users here or someone in the "know" about its install and booting?
[07:33] <theine> Josip: what aboutls
[07:33] <theine> oops
[07:34] <AlphaXero> installing linux on a G5, I think thats a sin
[07:34] <Gusto_> in mplayer. where do I set cdrom device and dvdrom?
[07:35] <r3v3rb> i need help getting streaming audio to work under hoary guys ? any ideas
[07:35] <Gusto_> it says /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvdrom but its not working
[07:35] <AlphaXero> gusto its in the prefs
[07:36] <AlphaXero> ah ok
[07:36] <AlphaXero> do this
[07:36] <r3v3rb> gusto try /devhdc
[07:36] <r3v3rb> gusto try /dev/hdc
[07:36] <bascule> Gusto_: /dev/hdc /dev/hdd
[07:36] <r3v3rb> even
[07:36] <Josip> still the same
[07:36] <warty> Hi, I just booted with ubuntu live cd. How can I set the access permissions so that I can write to a local hard drive (fat32)?
[07:37] <MacSociety> AlphaXero, why you say that about Linux on a G5.
[07:37] <bascule> Josip: where is the ubuntu partition mounted?
[07:37] <Josip> chmod 0777 /path/to
[07:37] <Gusto_> thanks, something happened, but hehe, mplayer chrashed
[07:37] <Josip> I haven't installed UBUNTU !
[07:37] <bascule> I see ... oh
[07:37] <Gusto_> it found the dvdrom atleast. now i have to configure it right
[07:38] <bascule> well install it ... :)
[07:38] <AlphaXero> pop a dvd in and look at the properties of the drive
[07:38] <bascule> <-- yes to his previous 4 questions
[07:38] <r3v3rb> can someone try http://www.m1live.com/listen/musicone_hi.pls in totem please
[07:38] <AlphaXero> MacSociety: cause OS X is about as good as it gets, plus there is Fink and/or Gentoo's linux on mac which mixes with OS X
[07:39] <bascule> can you say freedom?
[07:39] <r3v3rb> osx is awful
[07:39] <r3v3rb> i use it eevryday
[07:39] <r3v3rb> everyday even
[07:39] <bascule> stick with the 3s :P
[07:39] <r3v3rb> lol :)
[07:40] <r3v3rb> y3s will do
[07:40] <bascule> lol
[07:40] <r3v3rb> hmm. pizza is burning
[07:40] <MacSociety> I have all the OS X apps I could shake a stick at but would prefer an opensource G5 setup.  I am fond of Window Makers NeXTSTEP UI and would love to run it via Linux along with many other nice open source apps.
[07:41] <r3v3rb> MacSociety, i do too. and it aint all that is it
[07:41] <Josip> any ideas ? ;-)
[07:41] <AlphaXero> ah i see
[07:41] <AlphaXero> shrug, i like OS X and it is mucho better than using Windows
[07:41] <theine> Josip: it's very strange that setup (hd0) doesn't work
[07:41] <r3v3rb> :)
[07:42] <r3v3rb> bbl. food is very burnt
[07:42] <bascule> Josip: you are not goin to recue a windows install with linux tools, unless linux is on the drive
[07:42] <floater> tssshhhh, does anyone know where I can get step by step guide for installing wine?
[07:42] <AlphaXero> I need either windows or OS X for my graphics apps as they are not all available for linux
[07:42] <r3v3rb> in the mean time could soneone try that streaming audio for me ?
[07:42] <bascule> there are boot loader tools for floppy discs,n get one
[07:42] <zeiter> hey all
[07:42] <zeiter> I have no sound!!!!!!!!!!
[07:42] <bascule> I can hear you ..
[07:43] <AlphaXero> anyhow, gotta wonder, if you dont like OS X, why did you buy a mac? hehehe
[07:43] <zeiter> lol
[07:43] <theine> in a terminal do 'dmesg | grep hd[a-z] ' and try to figure out which device your harddisk is
[07:43] <zeiter> can someone help me to configure my sound
[07:43] <bascule> zeiter: lsmod | gep snd
[07:44] <bascule> grep snd
[07:44] <bascule> damn me
[07:44] <MacSociety> I have installed the Hoary Array 3 on my G5 and install seems to go fine but can't boot Ubuntu.  I get the text screen where I select Linux (L), OS X (X) or CD and when I select L it just keeps me in the same OS X drive selection window.  I can only boot to OS X.  Bummed.
[07:44] <MacSociety> I love OS X but want Linux also.
[07:44] <zeiter> bascule : what
[07:44] <zeiter> i am new to linux
[07:44] <bascule> zeiter: lsmod | grep snd
[07:44] <ubnub> Hi, can anyone help me?  I'm using live ubuntu. I can read the local hard drives /dev/had3  /dev/hda6 etc. But I cannot write to them. How can I change the permissions form the desktop?
[07:44] <bascule> see if there are sound modules in the kernel
[07:44] <theine> zeiter: in a terminal...
[07:45] <bascule> ls -l /dev/snd/* if you like
[07:45] <AlphaXero> Ubuntu is cool. its why I trashed windows on my laptop for it
[07:45] <AlphaXero> I dont do any heavy work with linux so there isnt much need to put it on my powermac
[07:46] <romulo> hey LinuxJones -> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ShareInternetConnection
[07:46] <AlphaXero> but i managed to eliminate windows from my pip
[07:46] <AlphaXero> pipe
[07:46] <ewhitten_> ubnub:  what filesystems are those partitions?
[07:46] <ubnub> fat32
[07:47] <ewhitten_> ubnub:  I'm not all that familiar with the live cd's, but with a normal install I would:  sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[07:47] <ubnub> mz problem is that in the GUI I do not have root rights adn canot change premissions
[07:47] <ewhitten_> ubnub:  then, for those partitions, add "user" into the list of options
[07:47] <iapx8088> ubnub, sudo -s?
[07:47] <ewhitten_> then do a:  sudo mount -o remount <mount point> for both partitions
[07:48] <ubnub> ehwitten: which list of options, where?
[07:48] <ewhitten_>  ewhitten_: ubnub:  I'm not all that familiar with the live cd's, but with a normal install I would:  sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[07:48] <ewhitten_> open that file and then read the other two messages. :)
[07:49] <mz2> without switching to hoary, is there a way to get X.org into warty?
[07:49] <ubnub> For a normal install I know where to chaNge fstab. In a live CD it is on the CD
[07:49] <Neil3> hey folks just installed ubuntu and tweaked stuff, totem even plays my wmv porn videos yay!!!!!
[07:49] <iapx8088> can you tell me how it was du to display a grand total for every directory
[07:49] <iapx8088> du -dh
[07:49] <iapx8088> ?
[07:50] <ewhitten_> iapx8088:  those are just random commands.  not helping. :)
[07:50] <iapx8088> ewhitten_, du dh was a question for me :) ?
[07:50] <ewhitten_> ubnub:  then try this:  sudo mount -o remount,user <mount points>
[07:50] <iapx8088> ewhitten_, du dh was a question for me :)
[07:50] <ewhitten_> you said that already :)
[07:50] <Ex-Cyber> iapx8088: try -s
[07:50] <ewhitten_> heh. sorry!
[07:51] <iapx8088> Ex-Cyber, -sh i the way, thanks
[07:52] <Ex-Cyber> iapx8088: I don't use -h as much as I used to; I discovered the joy of piping du to sort -n for freeing up disk space :)
[07:52] <mahadev> hello, I installed hoary b04 today, during install it recognized my wireless access point but due to some DHCP issue gave me an error, I decided to configure that later.  The installation went all fine, I can see my card identified, i did modprobe ndiswrapper and even that loaded fine but it does not add any network devices
[07:53] <TreadingSoftly> how do you set CFLAGS with env?
[07:54] <linuxboy> How do I play DVDs in ubuntu?
[07:54] <ewhitten_> TreadingSoftly:  the "export" command will push stuff to your environment
[07:54] <TreadingSoftly> ewhitten: cheers
[07:54] <mastertet> how can I burn cd in ubuntu
[07:54] <ewhitten_> linuxboy:  you will probably need some dvdcss libraries from the universe and/or multiverse repositories
[07:55] <toubsu> what ftp server is in ubuntu
[07:55] <mz2> mastertet, just put an empty cd in and see what happens
[07:55] <linuxboy> ewhitten_: what are the libraries called?
[07:55] <mikeycooper> linuxboy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:55] <ubnub> I do not think it is a case of mouting and unmounting. I am told that I do not hove the user rights to change permissions. I am looking for a way to change it  in the GUI.
[07:55] <mikeycooper> linuxboy: under DVD-Video
[07:55] <mastertet> I do command line, I don't have gnome install :(
[07:56] <ewhitten_> mikeycooper:  thanks :)
[07:56] <mikeycooper> np
[07:56] <mahadev> help any body
[07:57] <meuserj|work> random question.  What are the names hoary hedgehog and warty warthog from?  anyone know?
[07:57] <ewhitten_> mahadev:  did you already ask a question?
[07:57] <ewhitten_> or are you asking to ask one?
[07:58] <ewhitten_> because if it's the latter... don't do that. :)
[07:58] <mahadev> I did ask 1, but I guess you were busy helping some 1
[07:58] <mahadev> here i go again
[07:58] <mahadev> hello, I installed hoary b04 today, during install it recognized my wireless access point but due to some DHCP issue gave me an error, I decided to configure that later.  The installation went all fine, I can see my card identified, i did modprobe ndiswrapper and even that loaded fine but it does not add any network devices
[07:58] <ewhitten_> mahadev:  okay, sorry.  yes, I didn't get a chance to read yours.
[07:59] <mahadev> np
[07:59] <ewhitten_> mahadev:  I'm not all that familiar with using ndiswrapper under ubuntu, but I'll try to help :)
[07:59] <mahadev> just so you know I am in winslow at the moment
[07:59] <ewhitten_> is the ndiswrapper driver aliased to any ethX device?
[07:59] <mahadev> so I will have to take down notes and try that later
[08:00] <ewhitten_> that makes it a bit difficult to help you troubleshoot.
[08:00] <iapx8088> Ex-Cyber, didn't know this thing. what do you use sort for?
[08:00] <mahadev> ok, let me c where I can get a network cable
[08:00] <mikeycooper> wee
[08:00] <mikeycooper> gotta love fire alarms
[08:01] <mahadev> could you give me  a few pointers and I wud try to c when I can do that
[08:01] <ewhitten_> mahadev:  the best place to ask might also be #ndiswrapper :)
[08:01] <ewhitten_> it's on freenode.net as well.
[08:01] <mahadev> thanks
[08:01] <ewhitten_> np.
[08:01] <mahadev> over  and out
[08:02] <ewhitten_> *ding*  Now serving Customer # 382721
[08:02] <felix_1> Hey guys, running xorg,xcompmgr, with nvidia accel - COOL, NICE Gnome, SHADOWS fx 8-)
[08:02] <ewhitten_> felix_1:  yup.
[08:07] <LarryT-ubuntu> Good evening :). I 'am looking for someone who could give me some help about ubuntu customization live cd (i get a error while mkisoft : volume strin id too long)
[08:08] <LarryT-ubuntu> please :who is in carre with live cd ?
[08:09] <ubnub> ewhitten: Thanks, it worked!
[08:09] <ewhitten> ubnub:  what did?
[08:09] <ewhitten> well, lucky guess.
[08:10] <bascule> telepathy man
[08:10] <ewhitten> I must have like, ESPN. ;)
[08:10] <carlos> hello how to rip dvd in ubuntu ?
[08:10] <bascule> sign of a true guru
[08:10] <bascule> :)
[08:10] <ubnub> ewhitten: sudo mount /o remount,user /dev/hda6   worked to give me write permission on the device
[08:10] <ewhitten> ubnub:  cool.
[08:11] <bascule> [19:00:59]  kenny@Kript Skins $ pwd
[08:11] <bascule> /home/kenny/.xmms/Skins
[08:11] <bascule> [19:03:22]  kenny@Kript Skins $
[08:11] <bascule> oops
[08:11] <bascule> wrong paste
[08:11] <carlos> its posible rip dvd in ubuntu?
[08:11] <bascule> acidrip
[08:11] <ewhitten> carlos:  wonderful tool.  It's called google!  http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+dvd+rip&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[08:11] <bascule> personal favourite, never failed me
[08:12] <carlos> thanks
[08:12] <ewhitten> I hate to admit it, but I actually have a windows media center 2005 box.
[08:12] <Schaap> boooh
[08:12] <goldfish_> Any use?
[08:12] <Schaap> Get an Xbox with xbmc
[08:12] <ewhitten> yeah, yeah, I know.
[08:12] <Schaap> much better and cheaper :D
[08:12] <SirFred> Hi.
[08:12] <Schaap> you can use ubuntu with it too
[08:12] <mjg59> tritium: At least the size of RAM
[08:13] <Schaap> well
[08:13] <Schaap> smb
[08:13] <ewhitten> Schaap:  I have an xbox.  don't you need soldering for xbmc?
[08:13] <Schaap> Yes
[08:13] <Schaap> and?
[08:13] <shock> is there a german ubuntu-page?
[08:13] <ewhitten> goldfish_:  I use it every day.  300GB of SATA storage on it.
[08:13] <goldfish_> wow
[08:13] <Schaap> You afraid of a little manly soldering?
[08:13] <SirFred> My nautilus is not updating the files when they are added/removed to folders.
[08:13] <SirFred> I need to press Ctrl+R to keep them updated.
[08:13] <ewhitten> heh.  My soldering isn't that great, no.
[08:14] <Schaap> well, trust me, xbmc is worth it
[08:14] <ewhitten> Besides, xbmc doesn't give me live tv pausing/recording, does it? :)
[08:14] <rapha> Hi all!
[08:14] <rapha> Is archive.ubuntulinux.org down?
[08:14] <SirFred> I see that I have a /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server process started, Am I missing something?
[08:14] <Schaap> well, everything except that
[08:14] <Schaap> but thats hardware problem ;)
[08:14] <ewhitten> rapha: nope
[08:15] <Schaap> what you expect for $150
[08:15] <rapha> ewhitten: But I get a "connection refused"
[08:15] <ewhitten> i just apt-get updated from them fine.
[08:15] <ewhitten> maybe it's you.  did you say something mean?
[08:16] <rapha> Hmm
[08:16] <rapha> Nope :)
[08:16] <SirFred> I'm updating just now
[08:16] <ewhitten> Schaap:  Most of this hardware, I already had laying around.  I'll change it to a mythtv box as soon as tv-out works on the new radeons
[08:16] <SirFred> 50% [90 linux-source-2.6.10 6828477/37,5MB 18%]                  31,3kB/s 35m55s
[08:16] <nasty_> hello everyone...
[08:16] <ewhitten> he just left.
[08:16] <rapha> I'll traceroute it
[08:16] <ewhitten> :)
[08:16] <bascule> nasty_: hi
[08:17] <nasty_> Anyone got any tips for setting up an ipod?
[08:17] <R0bNyc> hello
[08:17] <ewhitten> nasty_:  I have one.  firewire or usb2?
[08:17] <R0bNyc> is there gnapster? on ubuntu
[08:17] <nasty_> usb
[08:18] <ewhitten> R0bNyc:  Oh, for pirating music?
[08:18] <ewhitten> :)
[08:18] <R0bNyc> lol
[08:18] <nasty_> its funny, I've got the same ver of ubuntu on an old laptop, and a standup system...
[08:18] <R0bNyc> whatever you wanna call it
[08:18] <nasty_> but it doesn't automount on the standup system
[08:18] <ewhitten> hmm that is odd.  do you see any info coming up about it in dmesg when you connect it?
[08:19] <swippO^> How do I install make and make install commando?
[08:20] <nasty_> les check here...
[08:20] <ewhitten> R0bNyc:  the gnapster page releases .tar.gzips of their source code.  download and compile :)
[08:20] <R0bNyc> ewhitten, thanks
[08:20] <ewhitten> swippO^:  at the command line.
[08:20] <swippO^> what?
[08:20] <ewhitten> okay, first.  what is commando? :)
[08:21] <Schaap> some bad arnold schwazzenegger movie
[08:21] <ewhitten> Schaap:  besides that.
[08:21] <ewhitten> ;)
[08:21] <Nightie> Hi! May I ask a question?
[08:21] <Schaap> No
[08:21] <ewhitten> Nightie:  Don't ask to ask.
[08:21] <Nightie> Oh, thanx
[08:21] <ewhitten> it's a little old after we've heard it from everyone every day :)
[08:21] <jk> frisians are so friendly :)
[08:22] <ewhitten> jk:  what's a frisian?
[08:22] <Schaap> Arent we :D
[08:22] <LarryT-ubuntu> What does mean  this : mkisofs: Volume ID string too long ? And how to fix it ?
[08:22] <Schaap> bunch of dutch outcasts
[08:22] <nasty_> here is what I get...
[08:22] <jk> ewhitten: someone who lives in friesland
[08:22] <nasty_> Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[08:22] <nasty_> USB Mass Storage device found at 12
[08:22] <nasty_> usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 12
[08:22] <nasty_> drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: removed
[08:22] <Schaap> who still talk like in the old days
[08:22] <Schaap> We inventend english!!!
[08:22] <Nightie> In my Ubuntu I have created a user and customized his desktop and applications... then I created a second user...
[08:23] <Schaap> Not the french!
[08:23] <nasty_> I have no /dev/sd*
[08:23] <Nightie> If I want to copy the settings of the first user to the second user profile, do I have JUST to copy the home (+hidden files) of the first to the second?
[08:23] <SirFred> Schaap: Invented english? So you're the guilties?
[08:24] <ewhitten> nasty_:  you should be able to mount it by hand with:  sudo mount -o rw,user /dev/sda2 <mountpoint>
[08:24] <Schaap> Yes :(
[08:24] <kirt> Nightie, SHould work, don't forget to change the permissions.
[08:24] <Schaap> then we got defeated and stupid brits took it to america
[08:24] <SirFred> Schaap: A bad day for humankind.
[08:24] <ewhitten> huh.
[08:24] <Schaap> centuries later
[08:24] <ewhitten> Schaap:  and you're STILL bitter.
[08:24] <Nightie> Ok, thank you...
[08:24] <Schaap> Yeah, else we still own brittian and most of russia and northern europe
[08:25] <ewhitten> nasty_:  do you have the sbp2 module loaded?
[08:25] <Schaap> nah, we now are just a just the elite with a very cool language :p
[08:25] <NoFate^> I booted the cd right, then chose the language, then it probed for some devices and after that nothing happened.. How long time should pass between probing/looking for the devices and the next screen
[08:25] <nasty_> lsmod | grep sbp2
[08:25] <nasty_>  yields nothing, so I assume not
[08:25] <Nightie> Well, here's another: anyone heard about "acpi_power_off called" bug?
[08:26] <SirFred> It seems it's an official language in the Netherlands.
[08:26] <Nightie> It's about the last Q&A on ubuntuguide.org...
[08:26] <ewhitten> nasty_:  try doing a sudo modprobe sbp2
[08:26] <gustavor> how can I generate SSL certificates?
[08:26] <SirFred> I never heard about it.
[08:26] <Schaap> erm
[08:26] <Schaap> Ipods are MADE for usb2
[08:26] <Schaap> mine does nothing but complain
[08:27] <ewhitten> "isn't quite sure" = "i use firewire"
[08:27] <Schaap> SirFred, yes it is the 2nd official language
[08:27] <SirFred> griene tsiis
[08:27] <Schaap> Butter brea
[08:27] <Alessio> how can i erase a cd/rw with nautilus?
[08:27] <nasty_> got the mods installed, still no /dev/sd* here is the output of dmesg...
[08:27] <SirFred> Schaap: Interesting.
[08:27] <Schaap> wa dat net sizze ken is gjin...
[08:27] <nasty_> sda : READ CAPACITY failed.
[08:27] <nasty_> sda : status=0, message=00, host=7, driver=00
[08:27] <nasty_> sda : sense not available.
[08:27] <nasty_> sda: Write Protect is off
[08:27] <nasty_> sda: Mode Sense: 00 00 00 00
[08:27] <ewhitten> dredg:  what do you use for software to connect it?
[08:27] <nasty_> sda: assuming drive cache: write through
[08:27] <nasty_> sda : READ CAPACITY failed.
[08:27] <dredg> yes! utf8! thing! :)
[08:28] <nasty_> sda : status=0, message=00, host=7, driver=00
[08:28] <nasty_> sda : sense not available.
[08:28] <nasty_> sda: Write Protect is off
[08:28] <Nightie> Alessio: read ubuntuguide.org Ciao bello!
[08:28] <nasty_> sda: Mode Sense: 00 00 00 00
[08:28] <ewhitten> nasty_:  don't flood.
[08:28] <nasty_> sda: assuming drive cache: write through
[08:28] <nasty_> sda : READ CAPACITY failed.
[08:28] <nasty_> sda : status=0, message=00, host=7, driver=00
[08:28] <nasty_> sda : sense not available.
[08:28] <SirFred> Oh my god, that's not frisian
[08:28] <dredg> ewhitten: usb storage and a file manager :)
[08:28] <nasty_> sda: Write Protect is off
[08:28] <nasty_> sda: Mode Sense: 00 00 00 00
[08:28] <nasty_> sda: assuming drive cache: write through
[08:28] <mikeycooper> oy
[08:28] <nasty_>  /dev/scsi/host3/bus0/target0/lun0:<3>Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0
[08:28] <Schaap> Omg stop it!!!
[08:28] <nasty_> Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0
[08:28] <ewhitten> nasty_:  STOP
[08:28] <nasty_>  unable to read partition table
[08:28] <nasty_>  /dev/scsi/host3/bus0/target0/lun0:<3>Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0
[08:28] <Schaap> net dwn!
[08:28] <nasty_>  unable to read partition table
[08:28] <SirFred> eject!!!
[08:28] <Schaap> dwan!
[08:28] <nasty_> Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi3, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[08:28] <nasty_> USB Mass Storage device found at 13
[08:28] <nasty_> usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 13
[08:28] <Schaap> mei net!
[08:28] <nasty_> drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: removed
[08:28] <kirt> gustavor, Can't remember off the top of my head, but there's a command line program for it.. openssl, maybe?  I've seen multiple HOWTO's on setting up mail with opensll where they tell you how to do it.
[08:28] <nasty_> sorry...
[08:28] <nasty_> Apologies to everyone in da house, not quite up on my IRC etiquite...
[08:28] <ewhitten> gahh.
[08:28] <SirFred> nasty_: :(
[08:28] <dredg> nasty_: really, if you have lots of spew, use pastebin ors
[08:29] <pvh> Anyone manage to get Spellcast running?
[08:29] <SirFred> gustavor: openssl is what you're looking for.
[08:29] <mikeycooper> gustavor: what kirt said, openssl comes with a perl script that makes it pretty easy to generate certs
[08:29] <SirFred> gustavor: Don't get lost into its zillion options.
[08:29] <ewhitten> dredg:  I was hoping you'd say "musicmatch jukebox" and I'd get to laugh :)
[08:30] <SirFred> mikeycooper: Men are able to use openssl directly.
[08:30] <dredg> ewhitten: er.. what's that?
[08:30] <ewhitten> nasty_:  do you have the usb storage modules loaded?
[08:30] <mikeycooper> SirFred: good for Men, he must be a smart dood
[08:30] <ewhitten> dredg:  terrible music jukebox software for windows.  most of the other mp3 players on the market use it.
[08:30] <Schaap> next one to join is a wanker
[08:31] <Nightie> So... what about turning off your computer? Does it turn off or do you have to press power button?
[08:31] <Schaap> wanker
[08:31] <nasty_> ewhitten: Yep, I can even read a photo card off of usb, which is auto mounted...
[08:31] <dredg> ewhitten: oh, right. no, this is just a hard disk. copy files, unplug listen.
[08:31] <ewhitten> dredg: gotcha.
[08:31] <dredg> ewhitten: plus i haven't used windows in some years so i'm not really up there with this windows software thing
[08:32] <ewhitten> dredg:  lucky you.  I have to use it for work.
[08:32] <ewhitten> well, and some video games. ;)
[08:32] <drasko> hello everybody?
[08:32] <goldfish_> hello
[08:32] <Guybrush|Numb> hi
[08:32] <Nightie> hello
[08:32] <dredg> ewhitten: ah, right. i get to use linux for work ;)
[08:33] <ewhitten> dredg:  what do you do?
[08:33] <drasko> How to make boot.log tha would write all those messages i see at the boot tim?
[08:33] <dredg> ewhitten: well, anything i want really, provided i can get my job done :)
[08:33] <dredg> ewhitten: network admin for a hosting company
[08:33] <ewhitten> oh, well that tells me everything.
[08:33] <ewhitten> ahh.
[08:33] <restrex> hi guyz, I've installed hoary, but my /media/windows doesn't appear at Desktop or at Computer.. I've installed hoary with a custom installation... What have I to install for view /media/windows at Desktop... ? :P
[08:33] <selinium_> Hi all, A quick question from a linux newbie. In the users and groups, how do I set a user to have limited powers a la 'user' in windows?
[08:33] <ewhitten> I do business intelligence work.  all the development software for it is still all windows-based.
[08:34] <slemmy> i did a big mistake choosing swedish when i installed the system, is there a way to change it back to english again?.. post installation...
[08:34] <Nightie> restrex :: www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:34] <ewhitten> selinium_:  all users except the one you add at first install are generally like that.
[08:34] <drasko> selinium_ , man chmod
[08:34] <nocturn> slemmy, try changing the default locale
[08:35] <restrex> Nightie I can cd and view my files, but 'the icons' of hd windows isn't appearing at the gnome Desktop
[08:35] <nocturn> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:35] <slemmy> nocturn, tnkx alot! =)
[08:35] <dredg> ewhitten: right. i've actually gotten to the stage where i've forgotten how to use windows :)
[08:35] <Nightie> ah... sorry I misunderstood... well, I can't help you then :(
[08:35] <Guybrush|Numb> dredg: that's a blessing :)
[08:35] <ewhitten> dresko:  if he's asking a question that involves a GUI tool, pointing him to a man page for a command-line binary isn't very helpful. :)
[08:36] <SirFred> Anyone on hoary?
[08:36] <ewhitten> dredg:  I'd like to sometimes.
[08:36] <ewhitten> SirFred:  yup.
[08:36] <selinium_> ewhitten && drasko: Cheers!
[08:36] <dredg> Guybrush|Numb: not really.. i still manage some windows servers :)
[08:36] <SirFred> ewhitten: Are your nautilus windows refreshing the files automatically?
[08:36] <nocturn> selinium_, In Linux/Unix, all users are created with limited rights.
[08:36] <SirFred> ewhitten: Say, for example, when you rm a file from a terminal.
[08:36] <ewhitten> SirFred:  I believe so, but let me check
[08:37] <SirFred> ewhitten: I need to use Ctrl-R all the time to refresh the nautilus windows.
[08:37] <drasko> selinium_: thanks
[08:37] <SirFred> Even if I drag a file from the desktop to the trash applet, the file stands on the desktop until I press Ctrl-R
[08:37] <ewhitten> SirFred:  nope, no problems here.  sorry :)
[08:37] <SirFred> Perhaps I'm missing some package, or some process running.
[08:37] <SirFred> ewhitten: OK. Thanks.
[08:37] <SirFred> ewhitten: Do you have a famd process ? And a gamin one?
[08:37] <selinium_> Thanx nocturn
[08:38] <SirFred> ewhitten: What kernel are you using?
[08:38] <ewhitten> SirFred:  /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server only
[08:38] <SirFred> ewhitten: Same here.
[08:38] <nasty_> ewhitten:  Thanks for the help, any more idears?
[08:38] <ewhitten> 2.6.10-3-686 latest
[08:38] <SirFred> ewhitten: Perhaps that's the problem.
[08:38] <SirFred> I'm stuck on the 2.6.10-1-686
[08:39] <carlos> why not isntall amarok in ubuntu ?
[08:39] <restrex> hi guyz, I've installed hoary, but my /media/windows doesn't appear at Desktop or at Computer.. I've installed hoary with a custom installation... What have I to install for view /media/windows at Desktop... ? :S
[08:39] <SirFred> The 2.6.10-2-686 and 2.6.10-3-686 doesn't initialize properly my soundcad.
[08:39] <ewhitten> nasty_:  not at the moment, sorry.  have you tried googling around?  the gtkpod site might be a good help to you.
[08:39] <carlos> its posible?
[08:39] <SirFred> s/soundcad/soundcard/
[08:39] <ewhitten> SirFred:  what's your card?
[08:39] <SirFred> ewhitten: 0000:00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator]  (rev 01)
[08:39] <ewhitten> SirFred:  but I didn't have this problem with the earlier kernels either.
[08:39] <nasty_> ewhitten: You know I have, but I will continue to google...  Thanks.
[08:39] <SirFred> On a thinkpad.
[08:40] <SirFred> That's weird.
[08:40] <SirFred> What could be the reason?
[08:40] <SirFred> I'm suffering this problem since a pair of weeks, I think. And i'm upgrading every two days.
[08:41] <steve_> has anyone use the codeweavers software
[08:41] <bascule> SirFred: touch[ads .. all I can think
[08:41] <ewhitten> SirFred:  out of curiosity, have you tried adding a new user, logging in as them, and seeing if you get the same behavior?
[08:41] <bascule> touchpads*
[08:41] <ewhitten> steve_:  yes.
[08:41] <drasko> does anyboduy use boot.log?
[08:41] <steve_> i just installed it
[08:41] <drasko> boot.log?
[08:41] <steve_> do you like it
[08:41] <SirFred> ewhitten: No.
[08:41] <ewhitten> steve_:  yup.  I run itunes and photoshop 7 through it.
[08:41] <SirFred> bascule: What do you mean?
[08:42] <steve_> really, works good then
[08:42] <ewhitten> SirFred:  just a random thought.  something to try.
[08:42] <steve_> windows days on my computer are done and numbered
[08:42] <ewhitten> steve_:  itunes can be tricky on less-than-great laptop soundcards.
[08:42] <SirFred> ewhitten: Yes, I'll give it a try later. Thanks.
[08:42] <ewhitten> SirFred:  good luck.
[08:42] <SirFred> Perhaps some settings got corrupted after updating so many times.
[08:42] <steve_> I will be installing itunes for the ipod
[08:42] <SirFred> ewhitten: Thanks. :)
[08:42] <ewhitten> steve_:  I also play half-life 2 and World of Warcraft through linux as well.
[08:42] <steve_> cool
[08:42] <steve_> it seems faily stable
[08:43] <ewhitten> steve_:  I don't believe itunes will work through crossover if your ipod is connected via usb2
[08:43] <steve_> really
[08:43] <SirFred> steve_: But you need a monster-machine, don't you?
[08:43] <restrex> hi guyz, I've installed hoary, but my /media/windows doesn't appear at Desktop or at Computer.. I've installed hoary with a custom installation... What have I to install for view /media/windows at Desktop... ? :S
[08:43] <ewhitten> only firewire is currently supported.  but you'll have to read their compatibility section on itunes.
[08:43] <steve_> mine, is a toshiba
[08:43] <steve_> I have 3 gig processor
[08:43] <steve_> 80 gig drive, 4 usb, firewire, 17 in screen
[08:43] <ewhitten> I'm very happy for you. :)
[08:43] <steve_> I am lucky
[08:44] <ewhitten> :-P
[08:44] <steve_> ewhitten, you say it wont work through usb
[08:44] <bascule> SirFred: if its a touchpad would explain the drag and drop thing
[08:44] <steve_> how is your connected
[08:44] <chromate> what scripts do i need to edit to modify the startup processes? (specifically dealing with network interfaces and smtp)
[08:44] <bascule> just guessing though
[08:44] <ewhitten> steve_:  I use rhythmbox to connect my ipod.
[08:44] <SirFred> bascule: It's not a problem with the operation itself of dragging.
[08:44] <ewhitten> itunes is just there for downloading new music.
[08:44] <SirFred> bascule: It's that nautilus don't update the folder views.
[08:44] <steve_> i did not know rhythmbox could do that
[08:45] <kirt> chromate, smtp would be /etc/postfix/main.cf
[08:45] <SirFred> Is there any gnome program like amarok?
[08:45] <SirFred> I saw it last week on kde an liked it a lot.
[08:45] <ewhitten> steve_:  http://www.codeweavers.com/site/compatibility/browse/name?app_id=134  <-- all the info on using itunes with linux and its limitations.
[08:45] <ewhitten> steve_:  yup.
[08:45] <steve_> cool
[08:46] <SirFred> Rythmbox is... a little ugly I think.
[08:46] <steve_> you got rhythmbox thru apt-get
[08:46] <SirFred> steve_: Yes, I know.
[08:46] <ewhitten> steve_:  yup.
[08:46] <steve_> cool, thanks
[08:46] <SirFred> Lately, we have a kernel update near every day on hoary.
[08:46] <Riddell> SirFred: you can install amarok
[08:46] <SirFred> What are they tuning so hard?
[08:46] <ewhitten> SirFred:  I don't believe there's anything quite like amarok on gnome.  but you could probably a) keep running amarok, or b) try muine or rhythmbox, which are both also nice
[08:47] <SirFred> ewhitten: I've seen a screenshot of muine and liked it.
[08:47] <chromate> kirt: sorry i must not have been very clear; i meant editting whether or not it is started upon boot, not configuring the process itself
[08:47] <SirFred> ewhitten: But when I fired apt-get install, I saw that it's modo based.
[08:47] <kirt> chromate, and networking looks like /etc/network/interfaces
[08:47] <ewhitten> SirFred:  yes, and?
[08:47] <meuserj|work> SirFred, muine is quite nice
[08:47] <SirFred> ewhitten: I'm not sure about it's performance on my Pentium III 700mhz
[08:47] <kirt> chromate, oh - the links in /etc/rc.*/
[08:48] <meuserj|work> SirFred, performance is great
[08:48] <meuserj|work> SirFred, it was on my athlon 600
[08:48] <SirFred> meuserj|work: Thanks, I will give it a try.
[08:48] <chromate> kirt: what do the S# prefixes indicate? do they matter? can i just put any script in there and have it executed?
[08:48] <ewhitten> meuserj|work:  nice. thanks :)
[08:48] <nocturn> Has anyone gotten graveman installed on Warty
[08:48] <steve_> ewhitten, got a question, will it work if my songs are mp4s
[08:48] <kirt> chromate, Like, if you want something to startup - make a link from the appropriate script in /etc/init.d to /etc/rc2.d/
[08:49] <chromate> kirt: does the name given to the link matter?
[08:49] <kirt> chromate, It's kinda complicated, they have to have correct names, like the other ones in the directory
[08:49] <SirFred> chromate: init process call the scripts on the /etc/rc.<runlevel> starting with 'S' when entering that runlevel
[08:49] <ewhitten> steve_:  will what work, specifically?  which app are you talking about?
[08:49] <steve_> sorry, rythmbox with mp4s
[08:49] <SirFred> chromate: It calls them with the option "start"
[08:49] <chromate> SirFred, kirt: so all that matters is that it starts with S? because i see more than one number following
[08:50] <ewhitten> steve_:  it will support playback of anything that gstreamer can play
[08:50] <SirFred> chromate: The numbers are to force an order.
[08:50] <kirt> chromate, The number is the order that they start
[08:50] <SirFred> chromate: init process call the scripts on the /etc/rc.<runlevel> starting with 'S' in alphabetical order, when entering that runlevel
[08:50] <steve_> okay, cool
[08:50] <chromate> SirFred, kirt: ah... that is pretty nifty.
[08:50] <steve_> I am trying to import the songs
[08:50] <SirFred> chromate: So, S01ppp is called before S99shut
[08:50] <ewhitten> steve_:  You would just need to make sure that your gstreamer had the faad2/mp4 plugins
[08:51] <kirt> chromate, And if you're going to have it startup in 2, you'll need a corresponding 'kill' script link in 1 and 0
[08:51] <ewhitten> nocturn:  I'll try it out now.  looks pretty nice :)
[08:51] <steve_> cool
[08:51] <steve_> again, it is in apt-get
[08:51] <ewhitten> steve_:  yup, just look for them in synaptic.  do you have universe enabled?
[08:51] <rodi> I'm having a hairy, hoary problem with an apt-get dist-upgrade on a machine that crashed mid-update (Hoary).  Has anyone ever seen this error: "(Reading database ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/dbus-1-utils_0.23-1ubuntu3_i386.deb (--install): unable to open files list file for package `dbus-1-utils': Input/output error"
[08:51] <steve_> i believe so
[08:52] <SirFred> rodi: Perhaps that archive is corrupted.
[08:52] <ewhitten> okay.  I'm not sure if it's necessary, but gives you a better selection of software regardless. :)
[08:52] <Guybrush|Numb> rodi: input output error seems a filesystem prob
[08:52] <SirFred> rodi: You can clean the package cache typing: apt-get clean
[08:52] <rodi> SirFred: trying now...
[08:52] <Guybrush|Numb> check the FS before messing too much around
[08:52] <nasty_> heyhey Back with more information, and in need of some help...
[08:52] <nocturn> ewhitten, the package on the graveman site is for Hoary :-(
[08:53] <SirFred> What's graveman?
[08:53] <rodi> Guybrush|Numb: just fsck it?
[08:53] <ewhitten> nocturn:  aww, sorry.
[08:53] <technodude90> does anyone know where to get a copy od Hoary?
[08:53] <Guybrush|Numb> fsck it unmounted
[08:53] <chromate> SirFred, kirt: i'm looking at the referenced network script /etc/init.d/networking ; it seems it calls ifup -a to initialize all network devices... i'm going to assume ifup looks at /etc/networks/interfaces to decide what to initialize by default; is there a flag i can put in the options for an interface so that it doesn't connect to a network immediately?
[08:53] <SirFred> rodi: Wasn't it automatically fsckd when it booted again?
[08:53] <technodude90> *copy of
[08:53] <nocturn> SirFred, Graveman is a GUI fronend for writing/duplicating CD's
[08:53] <ewhitten> nocturn:  consider updating?
[08:53] <rodi> SirFred: it was, which is why I was asking- I was curious what else I should do.
[08:53] <technodude90> The mirrors on the Ubuntu site seem to have only Warty
[08:53] <ewhitten> technodude90:  you just change your repository info in a warty install
[08:53] <SirFred> chrillan: Don't you have an auto keyword?
[08:54] <SirFred> chrillan: something like 'auto lo eth0'
[08:54] <SirFred> chrillan: Excuse me.
[08:54] <ewhitten> technodude90:  change all references from "warty" to "hoary," apt-get update, apt-get -f dist-upgrade
[08:54] <SirFred> chromate: It was for you.
[08:54] <ewhitten> ta-da!
[08:54] <technodude90> I wanna d/l a full iso image of hoary so I can install it from a cd not apt-get
[08:54] <nocturn> ewhitten, Though about it, but everything is running so smooth now and I have so little time.
[08:54] <kirt> chromate, To be honest - i don't know.  There's probably a way, I haven't mucked around with the networking scripts beyond just setting up a static ip for myself.
[08:54] <technodude90> I also don't want to use torrent
[08:54] <chromate> kirt: ok, thank you
[08:54] <SirFred> chromate: Don't you have an 'auto lo eth0' line on that file?
[08:54] <ewhitten> technodude90: then read the topic where it says "array 4"
[08:55] <chrillan> SirFred: for /etc/network/interfaces or?
[08:55] <chromate> SirFred: hm, i have an auto lo
[08:55] <chromate> SirFred: i'll just add my other ones. thanks.
[08:55] <kirt> chromate, Maybe give it a 0.0.0.0 ip?
[08:55] <SirFred> chromate: On that way, they will be initializated when ifup -a
[08:55] <ewhitten> CDIMAGE.ubuntu.com/releases/HOARY....
[08:55] <kirt> actually, that wouldn't work.. ignore me.
[08:55] <nasty_> I have a hp printer with a memory card reader connected by usb. With just this connected, when a photocard is inserted, it is automounted.  Yet, if I plug an ipod in through the usb, it will disconnect the photocard.
[08:55] <ewhitten> capitalization for emphasis.
[08:56] <SirFred> Damn, my battery is lasting less than 10 minutes.
[08:56] <technodude90> Thanks, I just clicked the link on the top of this room
[08:56] <ewhitten> *sigh*
[08:56] <ewhitten> That Is What I Just Said.
[08:56] <ewhitten> ARRRGGHHH
[08:57] <nasty_> When I plug in the ipod to a usb port, it disconnects the other usb device.
[08:57] <rodi> Guybrush|Numb: I'm rebooting into single-user to re-fsck, unmounted, thanks for the advice.  Hope it works!
[08:57] <nasty_> anyone with any tips??
[08:58] <ewhitten> Schaap:  Yay for England and America conquering everything!  It must our wonderful language we invented!
[08:58] <ewhitten> :)
[08:58] <bubbannga> anyone had luck getting dvdrip to install? it keeps wanting transcode
[08:58] <bubbannga> then if i go to install transcode it will not install any ideas
[08:58] <SirFred> ewhitten: Wonderful?
[08:59] <ewhitten> SirFred:  I know, I know.  no holy/political wars, okay?
[08:59] <SirFred> ewhitten: :)
[08:59] <SirFred> ewhitten: I'm not an english speaker.
[08:59] <apokryphos> Asked some time ago but no luck back then. Anyone got any idea how I can get sound-output from all my speakers (surround-sound). At the moment I'm only getting sound from two.
[08:59] <ewhitten> bubbannga:  define "it will not install" for transcode
[09:00] <ewhitten> SirFred:  I know, it's a good thing I stuck the fish in my ear.
[09:00] <ArdieM> what do i need to unpack rars ?
[09:00] <bubbannga> hang on and i will tell you is there a way to copy the popup that come sup?
[09:00] <ewhitten> ArdieM:  unrar
[09:00] <ewhitten> oh, are you trying to install gtranscode?
[09:00] <ArdieM> ewhitten: thanx alot
[09:00] <selinium_> Hi all, I have just installed ubuntu, I am trying to play a CD with CD player. I am getting no sound even though it is retrieving the track data. My sound card is runctioning? Any ideas?
[09:01] <steve_> ewhitten, I have faad2 installed but it doesnt look like rythmbox is seeing all my mp4s
[09:01] <bubbannga> transcode:
[09:01] <bubbannga>  Depends: libjasper-1.701-1 but it is not installable
[09:01] <bubbannga>   Depends: libpng12-0 but 1.2.5.0-7ubuntu1 is to be installed
[09:01] <bubbannga>  Depends: libquicktime1 but it is not going to be installed
[09:01] <ewhitten> selinium_:  check your volume controls to see if the CD line is muted?
[09:01] <ewhitten> bubbannga:  hmm.. I'll take a look at it.
[09:01] <bubbannga> thanks
[09:01] <kirt> selinium_, Most likely because you're sound card isn't connected to your cd player.. It's an annoying limitation of gnome cd player afaik.
[09:02] <bubbannga> just trying to backup my dvds and catchign crap
[09:02] <bubbannga> dvdshrink hangs at 60 percent every time
[09:02] <restrex> guyz what have I to install for viem my partition /media/windows at Desktop ???
[09:02] <restrex> guyz what have I to install for view my partition /media/windows at Desktop ???
[09:02] <restrex> :(
[09:02] <ewhitten> steve_: hmm.. I'm not entirely sure, I usually just play mp3's.  you could try to convert?
[09:02] <apokryphos> restrex: ubuntuguide.org
[09:03] <selinium_> ewhitten && kirt: the sound is up on the volume controls, so I am going to break open the box! perhaps i should turn it off?
[09:03] <steve_> any program you recommend for that ewhitten
[09:03] <apokryphos> restrex: Jump to the "Windows" section
[09:03] <restrex> guyz what have I to install for view the icon of my partition /media/windows at Desktop ???
[09:03] <ewhitten> selinium_:  usually a good idea.
[09:03] <kirt> selinium_, Well ya.. i wouldn't bother though.. it was probably designed that way
[09:03] <ewhitten> restrex:  Please stop repeating yourself.
[09:03] <restrex> apokryphos the 'icon'
[09:03] <restrex> ewhitten I was not repeating, I wrot wrongly my question,
[09:03] <apokryphos> restrex: what? Have you got access to your Windoze partition?
[09:03] <kirt> selinium_, You'd need a cable for it.  Other programs (like windows' cd player) get around it by getting the data right off the CD, i believe.
[09:03] <apokryphos> restrex: Do you just want the folder inside /media too?
[09:04] <ewhitten> steve_:  looks like you can grab the windows xp version of dbpoweramp and run it through cxoffice/wine?
[09:04] <restrex> apokryphos yes I can cd and view my files, but I wanna see the windows partitio as an icon on Eesktop, yes it's /media/windows
[09:04] <ewhitten> steve_:  You should google around for it.
[09:04] <steve_> i will try that ewhitten
[09:04] <restrex> :(
[09:04] <steve_> thanks
[09:04] <kirt> selinium_, Mine's the same way, has always done that as far as I can remember.  May be because i have a cheap sound card that doesn't have a connector for the CD-ROM though..
[09:04] <aaki> hi all...have a problem in compiling Dashboard..I have beagle and best running...anybody has any success with dashboard
[09:04] <ewhitten> restrex: browse to your /media folder, hold down ctrl+shift and drag the windows folder to your desktop.
[09:04] <apokryphos> restrex: Right. Where's the actual location of the folder at the moment?
[09:05] <restrex> it's on /media/windows
[09:05] <ewhitten> aaki:  what's the error you're getting?
[09:05] <restrex> but I wanna see the HD jimmac icon at Desktop, I don't know why it's not appearing
[09:05] <aaki> ./BeagleBackend.cs(63) error CS0103: The name `Beagle.Util.Icon.LookupByURI' could not be found in `Dashboard.BeagleBackend'
[09:05] <aaki> ./BeagleBackend.cs(64) error CS0165: Use of unassigned local variable `icon'
[09:05] <aaki> ./BeagleBackend.cs(85) error CS0162: Unreachable code detected
[09:06] <pdaous1> hey... anybody here a Matrox fan?
[09:06] <apokryphos> restrex: Err, I'm really not following. You're saying it's *in* /media/windows, and you want an icon there? Why isn't there one?
[09:06] <ewhitten> aaki:  hmm.  try asking in #dashboard-hackers
[09:06] <aaki> ok thanks...
[09:06] <restrex> apokryphos I don0t know why the hd icons it's not at desktop and Computer olcations
[09:06] <restrex> locations
[09:06] <restrex> :(
[09:07] <pdaous1> or, for that matter, has anyone here ever used a Matrox?
[09:07] <restrex> I think I have to install some packages, 'cause I've installed custmolly hoary...
[09:07] <apokryphos> restrex: I don't really understand, sorry. Might have more luck asking a Gnome user.
[09:07] <pdaous1> 2D seems really sluggish, and I'm wondering if I've done something stupid and forgotten to turn acceleration on... looked through all sorts of config files, and searched all over Google and the Matrox forums...
[09:07] <bubbannga> anyone ever succesfully made a backup of a dvd in linux? i can vobcopy and then mkiso but my problem comes in with shrinking the iso down to dvd5
[09:07] <restrex> apokryphos ok thanks
[09:08] <pdaous1> an' also I'm wondering if Ubuntu or Debian provide the non-free Matrox drivers (if they're better, that is) -- I haven't found any packages
[09:09] <steve_> ewhitten, itunes seems a little buggy
[09:09] <ewhitten> steve_:  this is the first version of cxoffice that's really supported it, which is why it has a bronze rating.  cxoffice 5.x (which comes out in the near future) will probably be much better.
[09:09] <steve_> cool
[09:11] <Anubis> where is /etc/modprobe ? For the 2.6 kernels?
[09:12] <Anubis> I still see /etc/modules.conf?
[09:12] <albi1> in a terminal: which modprobe?
[09:13] <tritium> Anubis, look in /etc/modprobe.d
[09:13] <steve_> ewhitten, I really like this crossover
[09:13] <tritium> Anubis, what are you trying to do?
[09:13] <steve_> hey tritium, whats up
[09:13] <tritium> steve_, hey there
[09:13] <tritium> not much, you?
[09:14] <steve_> not alot going on, I just installed crossover
[09:14] <steve_> it is so cool
[09:14] <tritium> what did you need it for?
[09:14] <steve_> I have some office apps I use for school
[09:14] <steve_> and a dvd ripper Iuse
[09:14] <steve_> and for itunes
[09:14] <tritium> I see
[09:15] <bubbannga> steve have been able to make full dvd backups in linux?
[09:15] <bubbannga> if so you mind sharing how you did it
[09:15] <steve_> I am gonna use dvd shrink
[09:15] <bubbannga> good luck
[09:15] <Anubis> modprobe?
[09:15] <steve_> I will see how buggy it is
[09:15] <bubbannga> i cna't get it to work with crossover
[09:15] <ewhitten> bubbannga:  I think people were also recommending acid rip.
[09:15] <steve_> really
[09:15] <tritium> Anubis, what about it?
[09:16] <bubbannga> i mean it loads but will crash about 60 percent each time
[09:16] <steve_> it started up
[09:16] <bubbannga> yeah mine does too
[09:16] <steve_> I will try it and let you know
[09:16] <bubbannga> yeah let me know
[09:16] <steve_> I will actually do it right know
[09:16] <bubbannga> and acid rip see i can rip it fine
[09:16] <steve_> now
[09:16] <bubbannga> shrinkin is my issue
[09:16] <steve_> acid rip wont workn on my box
[09:16] <steve_> it wont load with some deps
[09:17] <bubbannga> same thing with me and dvd::rip
[09:17] <bubbannga> i looked in the cpan and all
[09:17] <bubbannga> and still can't get it work
[09:17] <steve_> yeap, that too
[09:17] <bubbannga> but i have tried snipenet on wine too
[09:17] <bubbannga> with dvdshrink it doesn't crash but
[09:17] <bubbannga> you loose the gui
[09:18] <bubbannga> so your navigation is totally in the dark so i said piss on that
[09:18] <bubbannga> but whts funny is it gets to the same spot each time on full metal jacket
[09:18] <bubbannga> and freezes
[09:19] <bubbannga> and i know the fill is't corrupt cause i watched the whole thing in ogle
[09:19] <bubbannga> the iso that is
[09:19] <jelte> Hi there... I've accidentally unset a value using the gconf editor and now evolution doesn't seem to work anymore (the addressbook)... i tried apt to reinstall it, but it is still not working and the value hasn't been restored... how can i fix this?
[09:19] <bubbannga> file even
[09:19] <jelte> (i was trying to copy another addressbook db to my current evolution, but clearly failed ;-))
[09:20] <ewhitten> jelte:  in synaptic, trying do a "remove completely" of evolution and then reinstalling it.
[09:20] <ewhitten> that should ditch all your evo configuration.
[09:20] <jelte> ewhitten, ok ta
[09:20] <shock> hm
[09:20] <shock> i doublt that will work
[09:21] <shock> tried that once
[09:21] <jelte> ewhitten, hmmm removing it completely removes a LOAD of other stuff as well... not sure i want to do that ;-/
[09:21] <shock> try something else:
[09:21] <ewhitten> jelte:  okay, then probably not.
[09:21] <shock> rm -r .gconf*
[09:21] <shock> and set your gnome settings new
[09:21] <jelte> hmmm that means i've lost all my contacts ;-(
[09:21] <ewhitten> a good suggestion.
[09:21] <lizdeika> did anyone miss Jimmac(http://gnome-look.org/content/pre1/6550-1.png) mouse cursor theme in hoary. it was default. now i have those ugly X(Free/Org) cursors...
[09:21] <jelte> shock, in my home dir?
[09:22] <ewhitten> lizdeika:  yes, so I put jimmac's back now.
[09:22] <tritium> lizdeika, that's being fixed
[09:22] <shock> yes
[09:22] <lizdeika> oh ok
[09:22] <jelte> shock, ok and then restart evolution?
[09:23] <shock> no
[09:23] <shock> restart all of gnome
[09:23] <lizdeika> pinux(http://gnome-look.org/content/pre2/19506-2.png) is quite ok too. but jimmac is still bette somehow :)
[09:24] <shock> (logout and back in)
[09:24] <lizdeika> *better
[09:24] <jelte> i'm a bit confused by this gconf in any case... all i wanted to do was move my home dir to a different partition, and WHAM i couldn't log in any more due to loads of gconf problems... started over now, hence trying to get my old addressbook back....
[09:24] <shock> should be ubuntu defaults
[09:24] <jelte> ok, will do.. back in a bit
[09:24] <jelte> ta
[09:24] <shock> O_o
[09:24] <shock> gconf errors after moving?
[09:24] <ewhitten> lizdeika:  yes, those are also nice. :)
[09:24] <shock> probably wrong permissions or somethign
[09:25] <ewhitten> lizdeika:  what theme do those icons belong to?
[09:26] <lizdeika> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=19506
[09:26] <ewhitten> ah, thanks.
[09:27] <jelte> shock, aahh.. didn't realize that just zapped all my other settings as well! ;-)
[09:27] <shock> yes
[09:27] <shock> thats what i said
[09:27] <drasko>  question - after upgrade my machine boots up in text mode. i changed inittab, and default level to be  5 but it has no effect
[09:27] <jelte> no worries..
[09:27] <lizdeika> they look nice but they are not intuitive. for example everyone is used to HAND on web link. arrows are kinda weird too
[09:27] <shock> but - usually the other settings are easily reset
[09:27] <drqk_> omg, what is the root password after install?
[09:27] <shock> no root password
[09:28] <shock> just you user is in sudoers
[09:28] <lizdeika> i am usign them now but i wait for jimmac to come back :
[09:28] <drqk_> i wanna be root ffs !
[09:28] <tritium> drqk_, try "sudo -s -H" instead
[09:28] <shock> well then:
[09:28] <shock> sudo bash
[09:28] <drqk_> givies me passwd:
[09:29] <tritium> drqk_, enter your password and hit Enter
[09:29] <website> drqk_, by default there is not password
[09:29] <drqk_> kool.
[09:29] <drqk_> :P
[09:29] <drqk_> now there is :>
[09:29] <drqk_> now, time toget rid of that nasty ass wm :PPP
[09:31] <goldfish_> hi Stew2
[09:31] <Stew2> What is the Ubuntu/Debian/Gnome command for sudo?
[09:31] <Stew2> gf Yo
[09:32] <goldfish_> sudo
[09:32] <goldfish_> ?
[09:32] <shock> gnome-sudo ?
[09:32] <goldfish_> just sudo no?
[09:32] <tritium> drqk_, what's an "ass wm"?  ass wiping manager?  ;)\
[09:32] <drqk_> :D
[09:32] <drqk_> window managet :P
[09:32] <shock> if you want sudo with graphical prompt its gnome-sudo
[09:32] <Stew2> gnome-sudo
[09:32] <drasko> question - after upgrade my machine boots up in text mode. i changed inittab, and default level to be  5 but it has no effect
[09:32] <drqk_> i dont like the whole sudo style :P
[09:33] <restrex> hi guyz I think there's an error on ubuntu.... when I mount a partition on /media but the icons for access it from Desktop or Computer isn't appearing...
[09:33] <goldfish_> enable root account
[09:33] <goldfish_> :)
[09:33] <shock> well then: now that you are at #bash
[09:33] <shock> type passwd
[09:33] <drqk_> i just added password for root :>
[09:33] <shock> and rock on as root
[09:33] <drqk_> yep yep
[09:33] <jelte> shock, great, evolution works again... but you wouldn't happen to know where i can put my old addressbook.db to get evolution to see it would you?   i copied it to ./evolution/addressbook/local but evolution still shows an empty contacts list
[09:33] <shock> hm
[09:33] <flodin> where's javac in ubuntu?
[09:34] <shock> dunno - im running macosx right now - so cant take a peak
[09:34] <shock> anyone here?
[09:34] <tritium> flodin, see ubuntuguide or the wiki or the FAQ
[09:34] <drqk_> how do i start sshd ?
[09:34] <HrdwrBoB> flodin: you'll have to install it
[09:34] <jelte> even copied addressbook/views but no luck
[09:34] <tritium> drqk_, did you install it?
[09:34] <drqk_> i mean, ist here any start script?
[09:34] <HrdwrBoB> sudo drqk_: apt-get install ssh
[09:34] <drqk_> tritium: hell i dont know :>
[09:34] <HrdwrBoB> um
[09:34] <drqk_> alright.
[09:34] <HrdwrBoB> drqk_: sudo apt-get install ssh
[09:34] <tritium> drqk_, /etc/init.d/ssh start
[09:34] <tritium> after installation, of course
[09:35] <flodin> bleh. Ubuntu is too picky about stuff being "free" :\
[09:35] <HrdwrBoB> tritium: it auto starts
[09:35] <tritium> but it should automatically start when you isntall it
[09:35] <tritium> install
[09:35] <drqk_> tritium: thx
[09:35] <tritium> HrdwrBoB, yep
[09:35] <HrdwrBoB> flodin: it's not ubuntu's fault, it's java's fault
[09:35] <HrdwrBoB> flodin: ubuntu can't distribute java because of sun's license
[09:35] <flodin> HrdwrBoB: other distros can
[09:35] <tritium> HrdwrBoB, but since he asked how to start it...
[09:36] <HrdwrBoB> flodin: for example?
[09:37] <HrdwrBoB> in any case, the java license stipulates that you can't distribute sun java if you are also distributing other java, which is not acceptable
[09:37] <HrdwrBoB> if you have a problem with it, take it up with sun
[09:37] <flodin> HrdwrBoB: for example gentoo
[09:37] <Stew2> For the life of me! How does one edit Applications menu in Ubuntu Hoary. Nautilus applications:// doesn't work.
[09:38] <Stew2> Neither does applications:///
[09:38] <HrdwrBoB> gentoo does all sorts of crazy silly licensing/patent/etc nightmares
[09:38] <ToTo> http://tilde.homelinux.org/~toto/OO2.0_0.png
[09:38] <ToTo> http://tilde.homelinux.org/~toto/OO2.0_1.png
[09:38] <drqk_> tritium: can i use debian apt- mirrors for ubuntu ?
[09:38] <drqk_> :>
[09:38] <HrdwrBoB> drqk_: no
[09:38] <drqk_> :S
[09:38] <tritium> drqk_, you shouldn't need to.  Enable universe and multiverse
[09:38] <drqk_> where do i find ubunty mirrors?
[09:39] <drqk_> i dont find any swe mirrors!
[09:39] <HrdwrBoB> there isn't
[09:39] <tritium> drqk_, there are very few packages that debian has and ubuntu doesn't
[09:39] <Stew2> Does anyone know how to edit the Gnome applications menu in Hoary?
[09:39] <HrdwrBoB> the server is in the UK though
[09:39] <drqk_> well, it didnt find pekwm :<
[09:39] <tritium> Stew2, can't at the moment, easily.  That's being addressed
[09:40] <Stew2> tritium What's the 'complicated' way then? Thanks...
[09:40] <drqk_> tritium: rofl, dep problem when i try to apt-get sshd :P
[09:41] <tritium> Stew2, I haven't tried it.  Look into editing .desktop files in /usr/share/applications, but I could be wrong.
[09:41] <drqk_> apt-get install ssh
[09:41] <drqk_> :S
[09:41] <goldfish_> install ssh
[09:42] <tritium> drqk_, "apt-get install openssh-server"
[09:42] <HrdwrBoB> ssh should do it though
[09:42] <drqk_> deps on openssh-client
[09:42] <Cindux> if I recompile unbuntus kernel since i dont need some of the things (fax,printer)
[09:42] <HrdwrBoB> Description: Secure shell client and server (transitional package)
[09:42] <Cindux> What will I get out of it ?
[09:42] <HrdwrBoB> drqk_: yes
[09:42] <HrdwrBoB> and openssh-server
[09:43] <drqk_> HrdwrBoB: well, how do i get it to do all thats needed tp install sshd ?
[09:43] <LinuxJones> Cindux, probably not much of anything except the experience
[09:43] <Cindux> hm
[09:43] <Cindux> never compiled a kernel before :P
[09:43] <Cindux> lol
[09:43] <HrdwrBoB> drqk_: with that command
[09:43] <HrdwrBoB> it will install openssh client, server, and any required libraries
[09:43] <Cindux> I'm still learning a bunch of new acronyms,commands / meanings for linux
[09:43] <LinuxJones> Cindux, it's a cool project but a waste of time unless you really have to :)
[09:44] <Cindux> ah
[09:44] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get install ssh
[09:44] <drqk_> HrdwrBoB: well it stops.
[09:44] <restrex> when I install ubuntu by custom boot, what have I to install for have Gnome??
[09:44] <HrdwrBoB> drqk_: with?
[09:44] <tritium> Cindux, and there are various ways.  A traditional way, the Debian way...
[09:44] <HrdwrBoB> restrex: install ubuntu-dekstop
[09:44] <HrdwrBoB> restrex: install ubuntu-desktop
[09:44] <drqk_> openssh-servers deps on openssh-client
[09:44] <restrex> HrdwrBoB ok thanks :P
[09:44] <trans_err> I'm about to "upgrade" to hoary-- and precautions?
[09:44] <trans_err> s/and/any
[09:45] <drqk_> rofl :/ had to remove openssh-client
[09:46] <tritium> trans_err, don't just mindlessly use dist-upgrade
[09:46] <R0bNyc> I can't watch no mpg clips
[09:46] <R0bNyc> how do I install codecs or and plugins?
[09:46] <jblack> This is kind of funny. If I disconnect my laptop, the screen gets dim. That's great. But after I plug it back in, the screen gets bright when idle, and dim when I'm using it
[09:46] <LinuxJones> R0bNyc, >> www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:46] <trans_err> tritium: wouldn't dream of it
[09:46] <floater> damn, didn't ubuntu install lynx
[09:47] <floater> in os installation
[09:47] <tritium> trans_err, good for you.  That's not often the case.
[09:47] <HrdwrBoB> trans_err: drqk_
[09:47] <HrdwrBoB> sorry
[09:47] <HrdwrBoB> drqk_: ?
[09:47] <trans_err> tritium: i'm a long time debian user-- i've learned my lessons
[09:47] <tritium> trans_err, then I think you're well prepared
[09:47] <HrdwrBoB> floater: I don't think lynx is installed by default
[09:47] <drqk_> HrdwrBoB: well now its installed.... gkrellm isnt in apt ??? what is in apt? i cant seem to  find anything... not even fluxbox?
[09:47] <trans_err> floater: it isn't
[09:48] <Cindux> hm
[09:48] <tritium> floater, why would that be standard?
[09:48] <trans_err> drqk_: have you added universe and multiverse?
[09:48] <drqk_> trans_err: no... how do i do that?
[09:48] <HrdwrBoB> drqk_: you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:48] <floater> yehhh... did anyone yet figure how to get those similar taskbar tabs to not go into one tab... I don't want them to "group"
[09:48] <trans_err> add those two words on to the end of the two main deb lines
[09:48] <HrdwrBoB> and uncommend the universe section
[09:48] <drqk_> aha np
[09:48] <drqk_> :>
[09:48] <trans_err> or that
[09:48] <tritium> and add multiverse
[09:49] <HrdwrBoB> floater: it would appear that w3m is the default text web browser
[09:49] <floater> ok,thanks
[09:49] <Cindux> would this be good def of a "kernel"
[09:49] <HrdwrBoB> *uncomment sheesh
[09:49] <Cindux> It's the heart of the operating system. It manages the vital parts including memory, files, application programs and peripherals.
[09:49] <HrdwrBoB> Cindux: close enough
[09:49] <HrdwrBoB> Cindux: go any further and it's aholy war
[09:49] <Cindux> ugg i tried to look up the definition for a few things
[09:50] <Cindux> and thats the most simplistic lol
[09:50] <Cindux> for a kernel anyway
[09:50] <mpq> I think I solved my music problem
[09:50] <floater> did ya yet figure that tabbing thing, or don't ya understand what I mean ?
[09:51] <Cindux> ><
[09:51] <tritium> floater, change the preferences
[09:51] <drqk_> man i relly need to compile a new kernel :>
[09:51] <floater> hate it, max annoying :PS always those tabs goes into groups... max slow:Z
[09:51] <tritium> floater, for Window List
[09:51] <HrdwrBoB> Cindux: although really it manages 'filesystems' not files
[09:51] <Cindux> sorry to ask everyone but i dont understand the google definitions = /
[09:51] <Cindux> What is a module :(
[09:51] <HrdwrBoB> Cindux: use wikipedia
[09:51] <tritium> drqk_, why?
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> Cindux: a module is part of a program that you can load/unload
[09:52] <drqk_> tritium: coz ubuntu has loaded everything as modules?!?!
[09:52] <drqk_> :D
[09:52] <kirt> Cindux, In what context?  Like a kernel module?
[09:52] <drqk_> fucking A!
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> you can use them in a kernel by compiling modules for everything
[09:52] <tritium> drqk_, ?
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> and only loading what you need
[09:52] <Cindux> no idea
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> drqk_: what's wrong with that
[09:52] <drqk_> il make a kernel without modules :P
[09:52] <tritium> drqk_, do blacklist them
[09:52] <Cindux> ok so, you could have a module for say
[09:52] <drqk_> i think its slow and shitty!
[09:52] <Cindux> a printer?
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> drqk_: there's nothing wrong with the ubuntu kernel
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> drqk_: it's not.
[09:52] <Cindux> & this could be compiled with a linux kernel
[09:53] <drqk_> well, i want my own :P
[09:53] <HrdwrBoB> it may look shitty to you which is fine
[09:53] <drqk_> i make 2.6.10 :D
[09:53] <HrdwrBoB> but it's now slow
[09:53] <HrdwrBoB> drqk_: 2.6.10 is available in hoary
[09:53] <tritium> drqk_, you want a monolithic kernel?
[09:53] <drqk_> hoary?
[09:53] <drqk_> man you use creapy words-
[09:53] <drqk_> :)
[09:53] <kengur> is there a way to burn DVD without making intermediate iso?
[09:53] <tritium> the release in development
[09:54] <drqk_> tritium: ok, whats the lates one avalieable on apt?
[09:54] <Cindux> ><
[09:54] <floater> pheew, how can I make let's say "PROOT" text to do a certain command in console... kind of an alias or something
[09:54] <Cindux> wikipedia is confusing as well lol
[09:54] <goldfish_> ~/.bashrc
[09:54] <Cindux> are all "linux modules" LKM's ?
[09:54] <goldfish_> i think
[09:54] <tritium> 2.6.10-3
[09:54] <HrdwrBoB> floater: sudo
[09:54] <Cindux> they surely cant only be for the kernel
[09:54] <HrdwrBoB> floater: that's what sudo does
[09:55] <LinuxJones> kengur, you have large files you want to backup or something ?
[09:55] <drqk_> tritium: nice.
[09:55] <Frossi> Hi, how can I allow anonymous login on pure-ftpd server?
[09:55] <tritium> floater, did you configure the Window List applet
[09:55] <tritium> ?
[09:55] <floater> I mean if I want always to open some program with wine in console... can I somehow script it to open it with simply me typing "elasto"
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> floater: if you want it to be graphical
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> gksudo
[09:55] <floater> I didn't... I didn't exactly understand, I am a windows veteran
[09:55] <kirt> floater, make a script that calls wine, then make it executable and put it in your path
[09:56] <HrdwrBoB> ah ok
[09:56] <kengur> LinuxJones, i just want to burn some data files w/o waiting for ISO to be made from it, is that possible?
[09:56] <HrdwrBoB> floater: you can set aliases
[09:56] <HrdwrBoB> alias test="foo bin bar baz"
[09:56] <steve_> has anyone using crossover got dbpoweramp to work properly in linux
[09:56] <tritium> floater, I will miss your messages if you don't address them to me
[09:56] <kengur> LinuxJones, my HDD is usually full of crap :D
[09:56] <Cindux> lol
[09:57] <Cindux> kengur what ver of windows is it then ;)
[09:57] <HrdwrBoB> kengur: it's possible
[09:57] <Neil3> hey folks i'm having a strange issue with sound and movie playback in totem, the sound seems lagged by about half a second or so, running behind the video
[09:57] <LinuxJones> kengur, yeah start Nautilus then Go > CD Creator then drag your files into the empty area
[09:57] <tritium> floater, right click on the little pad just to the left of the left-most window tab in the lower panel (window list)
[09:57] <HrdwrBoB> Neil3: that's esound :(
[09:57] <HrdwrBoB> Neil3: are you running hoary?
[09:57] <kengur> LinuxJones, it usues makeisofs
[09:57] <Neil3> warty
[09:57] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[09:57] <floater> tritium: can you tell me how to conf that,or where to locate it.. I found "windows" under desktop-preferences in my hoary
[09:57] <HrdwrBoB> well run 'killall esd'
[09:57] <Neil3> yeah i think it is esd but i can't get it to use alsa
[09:57] <tritium> floater, see my last message
[09:58] <steve_> tritium are you using crossover
[09:58] <tritium> floater, then, go to Preferences.
[09:58] <HrdwrBoB> Neil3: open gstreamer properties
[09:58] <tritium> steve_, No, sorry.
[09:58] <HrdwrBoB> Neil3: from there you can set it to alsa or oss
[09:58] <Neil3> yep did that HrdwrBoB, then i get no sound at all
[09:58] <kengur> Cindux, i can't really get rid of that shish, cause i have my mp3 on vfat part ;)
[09:58] <floater> there
[09:58] <steve_> I am using it now, and I cannot get dbpoweramp to work properly in it
[09:58] <Neil3> and when i try to test alsa output there it doesn't work but pops up an error
[09:58] <kengur> HrdwrBoB, so how do i do it?
[09:58] <Neil3> i've searched the ubuntu forum for this, didn't come up with much
[09:58] <HrdwrBoB> Neil3: did you run 'killall esd' first?
[09:58] <tritium> floater, Do you have a window open titled "Window List Preferences"?
[09:59] <drqk_> tritium: what do i type to apt-get install lates linux sources ?
[09:59] <floater> umh, no
[09:59] <SirFred> Hi again
[09:59] <tritium> drqk_, try apt-cache search linux-image to search for available kernel images.
[09:59] <floater> ahh
[09:59] <tritium> drqk_, then, apt-get install one
[09:59] <drqk_> but i wanna make it myself :P
[09:59] <floater> it was really small space there tritium , but found it now :)) thanks
[10:00] <drqk_> ait,. i just go ftp.kernel.org :P
[10:00] <tritium> floater, no problem :)
[10:00] <HrdwrBoB> kengur: not easily
[10:00] <HrdwrBoB> drqk_: why
[10:00] <HrdwrBoB> drqk_: there seems little point
[10:00] <Neil3> oooh
[10:00] <Neil3> that did it
[10:00] <Neil3> hehe
[10:00] <drqk_> HrdwrBoB: voz i rawk at linux kernels?
[10:00] <Neil3> thanks
[10:00] <drqk_> freeBSD and linux kernels is my job !
[10:01] <HrdwrBoB> must be exciting
[10:01] <drqk_> ye yes
[10:01] <DaSkreech> How do I do a check for a package with Apt-get?
[10:01] <HrdwrBoB> what do you do with them?
[10:01] <drqk_> i make em!
[10:01] <DaSkreech> I Want to install Realtime battle
[10:01] <tritium> drqk_, your job?  And yo don't use modularized kernels?
[10:01] <HrdwrBoB> wow
[10:01] <drqk_> nah never :<
[10:01] <HrdwrBoB> I'm impressed
[10:01] <lithi> I installed the ATI packages for xorg and yet I cant seem to find fglrxconfig im getting a bash command not found error
[10:01] <Neil3> HrdwrBoB, dvd playback is in perfect sync now
[10:02] <tritium> drqk_, yikes.  I wouldn't want your kernels.
[10:02] <DaSkreech> I was going to do it from Source but suddenly figured Ubuntu servers might have it :)
[10:02] <Neil3> so i assume i have to disable sound server startup in sound preferences too HrdwrBoB?
[10:02] <HrdwrBoB> Neil3: excellent :)
[10:02] <HrdwrBoB> Neil3: yes
[10:02] <pvh> Why is Yelp broken?
[10:02] <HrdwrBoB> Neil3: it just means that you can only play one sound at a time
[10:02] <Neil3> cool done
[10:02] <drqk_> tritium: haha, you are so full of shit :) same as your kernel modules! :D
[10:02] <Neil3> nope i modded my asound.conf to sort that :)
[10:03] <SirFred> I have the old X cursors on hoary, Is there any fix for that?
[10:03] <Neil3> using the dmix plugin
[10:03] <tritium> drqk_, I think that very few would agree with that statement, or your kernel philosophy.
[10:03] <pvh> On my laptop Yelp won't even start, and on my desktop, it keeps crashing and almost all help files are full of broken links.
[10:03] <drqk_> tritium: :P
[10:04] <HrdwrBoB> Neil3: oh, nice, no prooblems then :)
[10:04] <drqk_> i just like my systems "my way" :>
[10:04] <Neil3> yeah thanks again i'm gonna reboot to see if it sticks
[10:04] <drqk_> tritium: i was chocked evern to try ubuntu after yers of gentoo experince :P
[10:04] <tritium> Even Gentoo uses modules.
[10:05] <drqk_> not my kernels-
[10:05] <drqk_> .
[10:05] <uid_zer0> where can I whine about outdated locale-langpacks? :)
[10:05] <tritium> Fine, but there's no need to criticize using modular kernels.
[10:05] <drqk_> and no need to criticize built-in either :P
[10:06] <drqk_> linux-2.6.10.tar.gz ;)
[10:06] <steve_> tritium, I got it to work. when I convert the files, I have to put them into differnt folders
[10:07] <HrdwrBoB> drqk_: you sould also be better off getting the ubuntu source
[10:07] <HrdwrBoB> with appropriate patches already applied
[10:07] <drqk_> HrdwrBoB: yeah, well i asked what it was called :P
[10:07] <drqk_> but only got "image" name :S
[10:07] <HrdwrBoB> linux-source I beleive
[10:07] <drqk_> ok il check.
[10:08] <tritium> drqk_, I already told you to search for linux-image
[10:08] <tritium> drqk_, there's linux-source for source package
[10:10] <steve_> tritium, you should try crossover, it is a pretty good ap
[10:10] <tritium> steve_, but I don't need any Windows apps...
[10:10] <steve_> lucky you
[10:11] <tritium> I'm about to go.   Talk to you in about an hour...
[10:11] <steve_> I have some I cannot do without for school
[10:11] <steve_> later
[10:11] <tritium> bye
[10:11] <randabis-laptop> my new gentoo is kickin' :p
[10:11] <randabis-laptop> playing nicely with ubuntu dual boot with shared partitions
[10:11] <DaSkreech> Is there a real time battle for ubuntu?
[10:11] <kengur> HrdwrBoB, is that a quick answer to my question? =) what programs do i use then?
[10:12] <searcher`> steve_: VMware works very nice too
[10:12] <remik> hello all:)
[10:12] <searcher`> school still makes me program some courses in Delphi
[10:12] <floater> HrdwrBoB: how can I remove an alias that I have created ,do you remember?
[10:12] <GammaRay> floater: unalias
[10:12] <floater> mkayz
[10:12] <floater> thanks, nice nice
[10:13] <floater> how about if I want to make many commands in a row with one alias, is that possible ?
[10:13] <apokryphos> Is there a way to change the resolution of, say, X in general? When computer originally starts up in gdm/kdm the resolution is really bad, and only fixes up after I log in.
[10:13] <remik> Is similar soft like Adobe Acrobat for linux?
[10:13] <floater> in ubuntu it comes with xpdf
[10:13] <meuserj|work> there's also gpdf
[10:13] <floater> and you can also install acro reader very easily to ubuntu
[10:13] <goldfish_> apt-get install acroread
[10:13] <floater> yea
[10:14] <goldfish_> and there is a firefox plugin
[10:14] <searcher`> remik: do you want to author or read pdf files?
[10:14] <GammaRay> floater: seems to work here: alias lq=ll lal=ls
[10:14] <searcher`> there's big difference there
[10:14] <remik> edit pdf
[10:14] <floater> alrighty... :) such happy with ubuntu so far.. :)
[10:14] <SirFred> It seems that the icon lack on hoary is caused by the gtk2-engines-industrial package.
[10:15] <remik> I look for Acrobat, not acrobat reader
[10:15] <GammaRay> apokryphos: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:16] <apokryphos> GammaRay: I'm using xorg... does that change anything?
[10:17] <searcher`> remik: you can use OpenOffice.org to author PDF files
[10:17] <GammaRay> apokryphos: not sure.. you might have to try something like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (a guess)
[10:18] <remik> searcher`: by OOo i can make pdf, but i need to edit exist pdf... (insert pages, compress)
[10:18] <floater> HrdwrBoB: hmm I mean if I could perform 2 commands with only putting text once
[10:18] <meuserj|work> remik, ok.. I see what you need
[10:18] <floater> like I write TSH and it does something first and then smth else right after that
[10:19] <searcher`> remik: i wouldn't know how to edit pdf though ... maybe there's some conversion util?
[10:19] <meuserj|work> remik, what you can do is convert it to a postscript file with ps2pdf and use the programs in the psutils package to edit it (like inserting pages and such), then convert it back using pdf2ps
[10:19] <meuserj|work> grrr
[10:19] <meuserj|work> reverse pdf2ps and ps2pdf
[10:19] <apokryphos> GammaRay: The latter command didn't work, but the former still takes me into setup (it handles it by looking for the default X server via symbolic link in /etc/...)
[10:20] <apokryphos> GammaRay: Will reboot now to check. Thanks. :)
[10:20] <remik> meuserj|work: what about quality? I need it to magazine so I need oryginal quality...
[10:21] <meuserj|work> remik, there should be no loss of quality when converting between postscript and pdf.. neither of them us any kind of lossy compression
[10:22] <floater> hmmmm...
[10:22] <remik> ok, thx:)
[10:22] <meuserj|work> remik, np
[10:23] <remik> Is here anybody from poland? Priv please.
[10:23] <jelte> hi there... i'm making a partition so i can dual boot in to windows as well... i was going to make it NTFS but thought i'd check here.. what's best?
[10:23] <apokryphos> GammaRay: Didn't work, but I'll play about with the options ;)
[10:24] <jason_> nice, new kernel for hoary and my ogg audio issue disapeared
[10:26] <aardvark> I have just update Warty to use fglrx drivers and now Gnome won't startup !
[10:27] <aardvark> any ideas ?
[10:27] <comcor> is gnome broken in hoary universe or am I not invoking the proper incantation?
[10:27] <jason_> apokryphos: ntfs is fine but you will not be able to write to the partition
[10:28] <aardvark> comcor, what behaviour are you experiencing with gnome ?
[10:28] <apokryphos> jason_: Erm, thanks. I don't think you meant me. ;)
[10:28] <comcor> aardvark, broken dependencies
[10:28] <aardvark> hmm
[10:28] <aardvark> I dont have that...
[10:28] <jason_> apokryphos: you could consider a 3rd patition of fat 32 to share data between os
[10:28] <GammaRay> apokryphos: you might try dpkg -l | grep xorg for a possible alt package to try
[10:28] <comcor> gnome -> gnome-desktop-environment -> nautilus I'll double check as soon as this install of packages finishes
[10:28] <aardvark> how can I troubleshoot gnome ???
[10:29] <apokryphos> jason_: You're addressing the wrong person. :)
[10:29] <jason_> opps for aardvark
[10:29] <aardvark> its weird i get to login...so gdm is working and then ....
[10:29] <randabis-laptop> jelte, ntfs is ok unless u want to be able to write to it in linux
[10:29] <jason_> sorry :)
[10:29] <LinuxJones> aardvark, did you modify the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file by hand ?
[10:29] <aardvark> LinuxJones, is used fglrxconfig
[10:29] <jelte> randabis-laptop, dont think so... if i do though, should i go for fat32?
[10:29] <randabis-laptop> yes
[10:30] <jelte> cool, ta... bit stuck with parted at the moment though... doesn't seem to want to make my partition
[10:30] <LinuxJones> aardvark, get to admin console sudo -s, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:30] <Anubis> I'm looking to use FW for my Nvidia card, but there is no /etc/modprobe file to maipulatee for my 2.6 kernel?
[10:30] <Anubis> where is it?
[10:30] <aardvark> LinuxJones, ok I will try that thanks
[10:30] <Anubis> (Hoary what else?)
[10:30] <jason_> jelte: better to set up windows first
[10:31] <jelte> jason_, yeah but i've already got ubuntu running quite happily
[10:32] <jason_> jelte: it may trash your mbr (boot sector)
[10:32] <jelte> jason_, yeah it probably will, but should be able to restore grub (i hope ;-))
[10:32] <[dEvIL-bOy] > greetings
[10:32] <jason_> jelte: you prolly will need to chroot and run grub
[10:33] <[dEvIL-bOy] > is it normal if i format the partition that has windows xp not to have access to the partition that i ha ubuntu !???
[10:33] <jelte> jason_, yep... but first i need to sort out my /home partition... last time i moved it (which i'm going to have to do) gconf got pretty upset... need to read up on that thing to understand it better
[10:33] <jason_> jelte: I would personally use a gentoo minimal cd
[10:33] <jelte> jason_, why not the ubuntu cd? or knoppix (since i have those lying around)
[10:33] <Anubis> I have no /etc/modules.d/nvidia file either?
[10:34] <jason_> jelte: personally, and the gentoo install handbook explains those things
[10:34] <jelte> hmmmfff parted keeps complaining about overlapping partitions... even when i'm trying to resize one so they dont overlap anymore... sigh
[10:35] <mpq> okay... these screensavers are really weird...
[10:35] <jason_> jelte: im sure you could do it with knopix
[10:35] <jason_> are they primary partitions?
[10:35] <jelte> jason_, nope.. just got one primary and two logical.. at least thats the idea ;-)
[10:35] <pvh> mpq: Which screensavers?
[10:36] <Schaap> how do i command line restart gnome?
[10:36] <jason_> jelte: Im thinking that is the problem
[10:36] <goldfish_> type ctrl + alt + backspace
[10:36] <mpq> the ubuntu ones
[10:36] <jelte> why?
[10:36] <mpq> I was working on a different computer and I come back to see... a bouncing cow
[10:37] <acs> lol
[10:37] <acs> that's one of the screensavers
[10:37] <mpq> obviously
[10:37] <acs> lol
[10:37] <randabis-laptop> bouncing cow r0x my s0x
[10:37] <acs> but it is weird
[10:37] <mpq> flying through space has nothing on bouncing cows and flying toasters with toast
[10:37] <goldfish_> matrix one is nice
[10:37] <jason_> jelte: backup home dir and start over? Im thinking you are trying to resize the logical partitions which have partitions within them and I have little experience in that situation
[10:37] <randabis-laptop> yeah matrixgl rox
[10:38] <mpq> there's a matrix one?
[10:38] <randabis-laptop> yeah
[10:38] <goldfish_> yep
[10:38] <goldfish_> tis nic
[10:38] <randabis-laptop> glmatrix i think or matrixgl
[10:38] <goldfish_> e
[10:38] <comcor> anyone else running hoary universe/multiverse tell me what apt-cache policy says about libnautilus2-2?
[10:38] <lightcap> randabis-laptop need a decent vid card for it though
[10:38] <mpq> just found the screensaver list
[10:38] <lightcap> it runs awfully on my POS
[10:38] <randabis-laptop> hah
[10:39] <mpq> my sister will be so jealous when she sees my matrix screensaver
[10:39] <goldfish_> what is the name of the flying cows one?
[10:40] <jelte> jason_, nah i was being stoopid ;-)  got it now... but yes I have my home dir on partition hda1 and i'm about to copy it to hda5 and mount it there... last time i did that gconf complained like mad when i logged back in
[10:40] <[dEvIL-bOy] > does anyone know how to tweak the synaptic package manager
[10:40] <floater> how can I view my aliases? HrdwrBoB
[10:41] <jelte> should i have LBS enabled on my win2k partition or not?
[10:41] <[dEvIL-bOy] > so i can search for more stuff
[10:41] <[dEvIL-bOy] > ?
[10:41] <jason_> jelte: glad you figgured it out :)
[10:41] <goldfish_> floater: type alias at a command line
[10:41] <floater> hmm
[10:41] <jelte> [dEvIL-bOy] , check out /etc/apt/sources.list  uncomment universe or multiverse
[10:42] <floater> goldfish_: I add an alias, then I close the terminal and come back and it is gone
[10:42] <mpq> is there a package for AIM?
[10:42] <floater> So I guess I am supposed to save my alias somehow
[10:42] <[dEvIL-bOy] > wasn't there a setting where i could add mutiverse?
[10:42] <mpq> or do I have to download it off the AIM website?
[10:43] <goldfish_> floater: where did u put it?
[10:43] <floater> in a terminal window
[10:43] <floater> I put an alias, check if it is there, it is there... close terminal, open a new, check alias, not there
[10:44] <floater> am I supposed to be superuser to make it stay? :S
[10:44] <floater> i'll try... hmm
[10:44] <goldfish_> i mean
[10:44] <goldfish_> where di u put the alias
[10:44] <goldfish_> ?
[10:44] <goldfish_> .bashrc?
[10:44] <floater> I just did alias="........."
[10:45] <floater> hehe, I guess I should be inserting it to some file then :S
[10:45] <goldfish_> yeah
[10:45] <goldfish_> :)
[10:45] <floater> .bashrc? :)=
[10:45] <goldfish_> i think u put them in /.bashrc
[10:45] <goldfish_> and then after
[10:45] <floater> where is this file
[10:45] <goldfish_> source .bashrc
[10:46] <goldfish_> it's in /home/name/
[10:46] <goldfish_> it's hidden
[10:46] <floater> hmmpz
[10:46] <goldfish_> type gedit .bashrc
[10:46] <goldfish_> or something
[10:48] <floater> hmm... do I just add a line in bottom... and to /etc/bash.bashrc same thing ?
[10:48] <goldfish_> errr....
[10:48] <shock> wtf is up with the gnome support under osx
[10:48] <goldfish_> maybe :)
[10:48] <goldfish_> floater: shud work
[10:48] <shock> thats it! im back to ubuntu
[10:50] <floater> goldfish thanks ,works
[10:50] <goldfish_> kk
[10:57] <pvh> Can anyone recommend a package for automatically transferring pictures off my digital camera?
[10:58] <pvh> Something which will put them into a folder sequentially named would be ideal.
[11:01] <ewhitten> pvh:  I like f-spot.
[11:01] <sysop> Question: [netstat]  <defunct> in my process list is zombied. Why? Is this a concern?
[11:02] <ewhitten> pvh:  although, being mono-based, you may need to do a bit of work to get it up and running properly.
[11:02] <ewhitten> http://www.gnome.org/projects/f-spot/
[11:02] <bascule> sysop: didn't termonate properly, concer? they aren't a good thing, but not fatal either
[11:02] <jblack> bascule?
[11:03] <bascule> that is me
[11:03] <sysop> bascule: thanks. Can't seem to kill it either...hmmm
[11:03] <jblack> Grin. I know its you, but I'm wondering if you were you probably about... 5 years ago?
[11:03] <bascule> no, 'you can't kill zombies'
[11:03] <bascule> geek humour ...
[11:03] <pvh> ewhitten: Thanks
[11:03] <sysop> :-) LOL
[11:03] <bascule> jblack: no, about 2 at most
[11:04] <jblack> Ok. different person .sorry.
[11:04] <bascule> np, I was surprised I got the nick actually
[11:04] <puzzledm> Quick question
[11:05] <puzzledm> I have a second monitor attached to my nvidia card and would like it to display another desktop i.e. not dual but seperate
[11:05] <puzzledm> how do I go about this?
[11:06] <puzzledm> or does anyone know any How-tos
[11:06] <ewhitten> puzzledm:  check out the documentation from Nvidia's site on this.
[11:06] <puzzledm> ok!
[11:06] <ewhitten> puzzledm:  it's the README file in the linux section.  go to the TwinView section
[11:06] <bascule> puzzledm: xinerama is what you want
[11:07] <bascule> or is it?
[11:07] <ewhitten> bascule:  I think I've done it both ways in the past, but Twinview is necessary on the hardware side at least.
[11:08] <bascule> yeah I remeber seeing some example xorg/xfree configs about in my time
[11:12] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione: you around?
[11:13] <goonie> I need some help with configuring my touchpad, is there a config file which I can edit?
[11:17] <R0bNyc> WHy does debian have gnapster and ubuntu doesn't that explains alot?
[11:19] <jdub> R0bNyc: it doesn't even appear to be in our build logs. is it in debian sid right now?
[11:19] <dredg> it doesn't exist outside of stable
[11:24] <Schaap> how do i command line restart gnome?
[11:24] <Schaap> and not the backspace thing
[11:24] <goldfish_> heh
[11:24] <iapx8088> /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:25] <Schaap> thank you
[11:25] <lithi> Where does firefox store its bookmarks? I want to get my bookmarks from another computer (downstairs) but im too lazy to actualy walk down the stairs so I wanted to get via ssh
[11:25] <newbi3> greetins
[11:25] <goldfish_> lithi: ermm... is it a windows box?
[11:25] <goldfish_> the other comp
[11:26] <goldfish_> hi newbi3
[11:26] <lithi> ssh another comp with ubuntu
[11:26] <goldfish_> k
[11:26] <newbi3> can anyone tell me which repositories is multiverse
[11:26] <newbi3> i need to know the url and a few bits
[11:26] <newbi3> this time i'll write it down
[11:26] <goldfish_> ermm....
[11:27] <newbi3> anyone??
[11:27] <goldfish_> dont think anyone is at their terminals
[11:27] <newbi3> damn...
[11:27] <ewhitten> newbi3:  add the word multiverse to the end of the line that has universe?
[11:27] <lithi> ok I found them myself. Its in ~/.mozilla/firefox/default.fid/bookmarks.html
[11:28] <newbi3> hummm
[11:28] <newbi3> that in synaptic package manager?
[11:28] <iapx8088> lithi, export using firefox in a file, and move that one
[11:28] <newbi3> i haven't got a universe there
[11:29] <newbi3> all i got is...security ubunut
[11:29] <newbi3> and archive
[11:29] <newbi3> ermmm
[11:29] <lithi> iapx8088: Why would i want to do that? When I can just pico the .html document threw ssh thus not needing to actualy go to the computer with firefox
[11:29] <ewhitten> newbi3:  select one of the archive lines.
[11:30] <iapx8088> ah, you are not in the pc you want to clone
[11:30] <ewhitten> add universe multiverse to the end
[11:30] <iapx8088> lithi, didn't understand
[11:32] <newbi3> how do i make a window open in the same window?
[11:32] <lithi> are there any bookmark syn type programs that work with windows,linux,osx?
[11:32] <lithi> sync*
[11:33] <ewhitten> newbi3:  you want an explorer view, not spatial in nautilus?
[11:33] <shock> i luv linux - especially ubuntu hoary
[11:33] <shock> :)
[11:33] <jdub> lithi: there's a bookmark synchroniser plugin for firefox
[11:33] <bubbannga> is there a way to restart the alsa sound without a reboot?
[11:33] <bubbannga> i have no sound at all :(
[11:33] <shock> now once the powerpc-ati drivers will be ready
[11:33] <lithi> jdub: PERFECT!
[11:35] <darkseid> is there anyone here that could install nvidia driver in ubuntu?
[11:35] <surrounder> aye
[11:35] <darkseid> I tried, but i can't
[11:35] <randabis_> I installed the nvidia driver just fine
[11:35] <darkseid> Really?!!? How?!
[11:36] <darkseid> can you help-me!?
[11:36] <randabis_> sudo apt-get install nvidia glx && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[11:36] <randabis_> err
[11:36] <randabis_> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[11:36] <randabis_> CTRL ALT BACKSPACE
[11:36] <randabis_> done
[11:36] <darkseid> okay, I did this, but it didn't work....
[11:37] <goldfish_> heh
[11:37] <darkseid> I think I will try to reinstall ubuntu and try again
[11:37] <randabis_> check your repositories first
[11:37] <darkseid> I have just repositories that come with ubuntu
[11:38] <darkseid> do you have more?!
[11:38] <goldfish_> www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:38] <goldfish_> read the repositories section on that site
[11:38] <randabis_> use ubuntuguide.org's guide
[11:38] <darkseid> tnx
[11:38] <goldfish_> and nvidia
[11:38] <goldfish_> it's very helpful
[11:38] <randabis_> yay...only a few more sources to emerge
[11:40] <darkseid> I have another problem...
[11:41] <goldfish_> shoot
[11:41] <darkseid> when I connect to internet (adsl) I have to delete the default route (eth0) and add another one (ppp0)
[11:42] <jelte> hi there... is there anyway to set preferences for nautilus-cd-burner?  i dont just want to burn a data cd, but create a bootable cd... is that possible?
[11:42] <darkseid> without this I can't browse in the net
[11:43] <randabis_> jelte, not sure...you could try using gnomebaker instead
[11:43] <jelte> randabis_, ah, i'll give that a go.. i tried gcombust, but that didn't work
[11:43] <randabis_> gnomebaker is leaps and bounds better than gcombust
[11:44] <jelte> ta
[11:44] <newbi3> it gives me an error
[11:44] <newbi3> :/
[11:44] <newbi3> on synaptc package manager
[11:44] <newbi3> i can;t get stuff
[11:44] <jelte> randabis_, but its not in synaptic?
[11:45] <newbi3> Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_universe_dists_warty_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:45] <newbi3> damn!!!
[11:48] <AndyR> how do i share a printer linux to linux?
[11:48] <randabis_> jelte check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/gnomebaker
[11:48] <aurax> elo
[11:48] <jelte> randabis_, yeah, just downloaded it ;-)   just surprised its not on the repository
[11:48] <randabis_> jelte, it's a pretty new app
[11:50] <jelte> bingo, working.. now lets see if this is going to work ;-)
[11:51] <saboten> I'm looking for a way to install ubuntu on my old iMac without cd-drive, would it be possible to clone the installation cd as a partition and boot from it? (im a total linux beginner) >_>
[11:51] <jelte> randabis_, hmmm but where can i tell it to make a bootable CD?
[11:52] <randabis_> I'm not sure exactly...I'm pretty sure it's possible though. I'm not in ubuntu right now so I can't check
[11:52] <newbi3> n the right hand size of the center panel, you will see two lines with universe at the end. Follow the first line and make sure the checkbox at the left is checked.
[11:53] <newbi3> the problem is i can't find those lines
[11:53] <madzzoni> Hello there! I can't print pdf-files from Acrobat. My printer works fine in other apps.
[11:53] <aurax> is there any good mirc clone for linux ?
[11:54] <ewhitten> aurax:  use xchat.
[11:54] <aurax> using it
[11:54] <aurax> dont really like it
[11:54] <ewhitten> aurax:  I just use gaim for IRC
[11:54] <aurax> any good ?
[11:55] <saboten> is there a graphical front end to irssi for linux?
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> yes and no
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> yes there was
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> no there is not
[11:55] <saboten> bugger
[11:55] <ewhitten> newbi3:  click applications, run application... paste this:  gksudo /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:56] <newbi3> Failed to run /etc/apt/sources.list as user root:
[11:56] <newbi3>  Child terminated with 1 status
[11:57] <tritium> newbi3, you're terminating children?  :(
[11:57] <tritium> newbi3, just kidding...
[11:57] <ewhitten> *sigh*
[11:57] <ewhitten> oh, my bad.
[11:58] <madzzoni> Please, can somebody help me, how do i get my printer to print PDF-files from Acrobat??????????????????
[11:58] <ewhitten> gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:58] <newbi3> it opened a terminal
[11:59] <tritium> madzzoni, does "lp file.pdf" not work either?
[11:59] <|rufius|> How would I manually update a package with dpkg? I have the *.deb file, but was just wondering if i do "dpkg -i *.deb" or if there's an update switch for dpkg?
[11:59] <madzzoni> I'll try that....
[11:59] <jelte> randabis-laptop, nope.. can't seem to find the bootable cd option ;-(    other than that the app looks good!