[12:00] <ewhitten> newbi3:  a terminal or a text editor?
[12:00] <tritium> |rufius|, you shouldn't need any switches
[12:00] <|rufius|> tritium: ok thanks much :)
[12:00] <newbi3> text editor my bad
[12:01] <tritium> |rufius|, if you run into trouble, get back to me
[12:01] <ewhitten> okay, I'm going to paste what your file should look like to you.
[12:01] <|rufius|> tritium: will do :)
[12:01] <madzzoni> lp file.pdf not working!
[12:01] <tritium> madzzoni, describe what's happening...
[12:01] <newbi3> cool
[12:03] <aurax> is it possible to install something that can understand left-to-right or ehnhancing the uni-code capability ? becuase i got some issues with l-t-r
[12:03] <madzzoni> Tritium. i push the print-button in Acrobat and dialog open.... then i push print. It says "no sush file" when i use lp file.pdf
[12:04] <tritium> madzzoni, no...that was a command to run in the terminal
[12:04] <madzzoni> OK
[12:04] <liam> hey guys
[12:04] <liam> i need some help
[12:04] <liam> with installing ubuntu
[12:04] <liam> can anyone help me out?
[12:04] <tritium> liam, what's happening?
[12:04] <jelte> randabis_, just icq'ing with the developer of gnomebaker... bootable cd's are not possible.. yet ;-)
[12:05] <randabis_> aww that sucks
[12:05] <randabis_> oh well
[12:05] <jelte> randabis_, there is a dialog for it, but no underlying code
[12:05] <randabis_> hah
[12:05] <jelte> well its only 0.3 and already an impressive app
[12:05] <tritium> randabis_, did you try graveman?
[12:06] <randabis_> I have it, but haven't used it really
[12:06] <tritium> neither have I
[12:06] <madzzoni> Tritium: the out-put: madzzoni@ubuntupc:~ $ lp file.pdf
[12:06] <madzzoni> lp: Unable to access "file.pdf" - No such file or directory
[12:06] <randabis_> I'm still working on my gentoo install right now so I can't go over to ubuntu right now
[12:06] <tritium> madzzoni, replace "file.pdf" with the actual name of the PDF file you want to print :)
[12:06] <jelte> randabis_, no worries... i'll just get a similar cd off a mate ;-)  rathre than make my own
[12:06] <randabis_> gentoo stage 1 is a lot quicker than it used to be :p
[12:06] <tritium> madzzoni, make sure you specify the whole path
[12:07] <Danila> Hi all! I need some help too. :-) With LiveCD. I burned the latest iso, set the BIOS to boot from CDROM and tried it. I get the boot menu, but choosing any boot option doesn't work. It just shows the kernel ......... command with many parameters, accesses the CD for some time and then drops me back into the boot menu.
[12:07] <Danila> Any hints would be appreciated.
[12:07] <liam> well i might have screwed up the cd while burning but i don't think so..... when i try to install linux on my harddrive it just stops after checking my computer and does nothing, and also when i put the ubuntu cd in my cd-rom while i have windows loaded it just says there is pictures on the cd. I think .iso means it's an image file but how would i test if the disc is burnt right?
[12:07] <liam> i'll get the specific info in a minute
[12:07] <madzzoni> Tritium: madzzoni@ubuntupc:~ $ lp paris.pdf  lp: Unable to access "paris.pdf" - No such file or directory
[12:07] <jelte> right... i'm off... catch you guys later
[12:08] <tritium> madzzoni, is paris.pdf in the directory you're in?
[12:08] <liam> does anyone think they know the problem?
[12:09] <tritium> liam, it may not have burnt properly
[12:09] <madzzoni> I saved it in home/madzzoni/dokumenter/paris.pdf
[12:09] <tritium> liam, you could also double-check the md5sum of the iso image you downloaded just to be sure
[12:09] <Dreamer3> if my pc doesn't support booting from CD what is that simple disk i can use to boot off of then select boot from CD?
[12:09] <liam> how would i do that tritium?
[12:09] <tritium> madzzoni, are you in the dokumenter directory?
[12:09] <tritium> liam, are you in linux or windows?
[12:10] <liam> windows
[12:10] <tritium> liam, you'll have to download a free md5sum program from somewhere
[12:10] <liam> ok
[12:10] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[12:10] <madzzoni> OK you mean in the termial
[12:10] <liam> anyone is fine?
[12:10] <tritium> madzzoni, yes...
[12:10] <tritium> liam, I can't recommend any particular one, as I'm not familiar with any.
[12:11] <liam> man tritium this must be hard to help all these people... doesn't seem like your getting much help lol
[12:11] <tritium> liam, :)
[12:11] <madzzoni> Tritium: madzzoni@ubuntupc:~/Dokumenter $ lp paris.pdf
[12:11] <madzzoni> lp: Unable to access "paris.pdf" - No such file or directory
[12:12] <Dreamer3> how can i boot off a floppy then launch a bootable CD?
[12:12] <Dreamer3> i know there is a tiny disk image with bios like "pick where to boot" function
[12:12] <tritium> madzzoni, what does "file paris.pdf" give you?
[12:12] <blah09> configure: error: SDL >= 1.2.0 is required <-- can we get that from apt?
[12:13] <liam> whoa.... i am totally unsure what the hell an md5sum is... i googled it and it came up with nothing even close to linux or anything. I'll check again
[12:13] <randabis_> bah I forgot how to disable root again :p
[12:13] <tritium> liam, I'll take a look
[12:13] <liam> ok thanks tritium
[12:13] <liam> or maybe i am just unsure of the usage and don't know that is the program
[12:13] <liam> not quite sure
[12:13] <tritium> randabis_, passwd -l
[12:14] <randabis_> ah
[12:14] <madzzoni> Tritium: This out-put: madzzoni@ubuntupc:~/Dokumenter $ file paris.pdf
[12:14] <madzzoni> paris.pdf: cannot open 'paris.pdf' (No such file or directory)
[12:14] <randabis_> cool :)
[12:14] <Danila> liam: check out HashCalc (www.slavasoft.com/hashcalc/)
[12:14] <randabis_> now my gentoo system is just as secure :p
[12:14] <tritium> madzzoni, please make sure you're using the right file name
[12:15] <madzzoni> I do!
[12:15] <madzzoni> i can open the file with both xpdf and acrobat
[12:15] <liam> ok thanks danila
[12:16] <Danila> hey, can anyone help with booting from Ubuntu LiveCD? Pleaaase...
[12:16] <tritium> madzzoni, please "ls *.pdf"
[12:16] <tritium> Danila, what's wrong?
[12:16] <Danila>  burned the latest iso, set the BIOS to boot from CDROM and tried it. I get the boot menu, but choosing any boot option doesn't work. It just shows the kernel ......... command with many parameters, accesses the CD for some time and then drops me back into the boot menu.
[12:16] <tritium> liam, or here: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/using_md5sums.html#links
[12:17] <usual> disable acpi?
[12:17] <liam> danila gave me a link that seems to work but i am unsure what this does.
[12:17] <tritium> usual, yes, possibly
[12:17] <madzzoni> I cant find any PDF files... thats strange!
[12:17] <tritium> liam, try the one I just sent above
[12:17] <liam> ok
[12:17] <liam> thanks
[12:17] <tritium> sure
[12:18] <tritium> Danila, you might also need to try noapic or nolapic
[12:18] <madzzoni> It like something wrong with that file!
[12:18] <tritium> madzzoni, definitely
[12:18] <tritium> Danila, is it an old machine?
[12:19] <madzzoni> I'll try to pick another PDF file...thanks!
[12:19] <tritium> sure
[12:19] <Danila> I tried "failsafe boot". From the parametres it seems that it had all the "noeverything" switches, including IIRC, noapci. The same result. The machine is 2.5 years old, P4 1.6GHz, nothing special in terms of hardware (creative Live!, Sony DVD, ATI Radeon 9600, Samsung HDDs).
[12:20] <chillywilly> anyone know how to get DRI working with S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266]  under Ubuntu?
[12:20] <hybrid> if i chnge source.list then apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade am i done upgrading?
[12:21] <chillywilly> the xorg driver that I am using is worse than the Xfree driver when I had debian sid installed on this machine
[12:21] <tritium> Danila, hrm, if you tried failsafe boot, and it still didn't work, I'm not sure what to say.  You think it burned okay?
[12:21] <chillywilly> VERY slow to redraw
[12:22] <Danila> I think it burned ok. I can, of course, try to check it to be sure...
[12:23] <tritium> I'll be back...
[12:23] <Danila> actually, even the "disk-check" (or disk-test) item on the menu doesn't work - it brings a "kernel...... something test something" command, blinks the LED on the DVD for a while and drops me into the boot menu again.
[12:24] <chillywilly> man this video driver sucks
[12:24] <Danila> Would it make sense to try burning the disk again or is there anything else to try?
[12:24] <Schaap> hush lil piggy
[12:25] <liam> stfu schaap
[12:25] <liam> leave danila alone if she is a girl
[12:25] <liam> which i hope she is!
[12:26] <liam> or is that just a nickname*hopes for chick*
[12:26] <Danila> :)
[12:26] <liam> ok this is getting pretty gay
[12:26] <liam> i'm gonna stop talking now
[12:26] <liam> nothing against gays or anything tho
[12:26] <liam> btw danila are u a girl?
[12:26] <Schaap> He is
[12:27] <liam> danila are you a girl?
[12:27] <Danila> Westerners always think I am. But in the sad, boring reality Danila is just a traditional male name in Russia. :-(
[12:27] <liam> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
[12:27] <Schaap> He almost got off on a name
[12:27] <Wolven> Danila, I would try to burn the CD again. Mabye at slower speed. The first ubuntu CD I burned didn't work
[12:27] <liam> yes... because you know that clearly happened
[12:27] <linda_18> knock your self out
[12:28] <liam> cool
[12:28] <liam> hey linda
[12:28] <kent> linda_18, hi there cutie ;)
[12:28] <linda_18> asl?
[12:28] <liam> what's going on sexy;)
[12:28] <liam> hahahahaha
[12:28] <saboten> olol
[12:28] <linda_18> ill tell you for $10
[12:28] <Danila> One time I was sent to Finland with Polina (a girl), the hosts thought we are two girls. :) Sorry for offtopic, though.
[12:28] <kent> linda_18, care for a private session? ;)
[12:28] <liam> kent.... how long have u been here...
[12:28] <kent> liam, all day.
[12:28] <liam> hahaha
[12:28] <saboten> its a man, baby!
[12:28] <liam> nice danila
[12:28] <linda_18> Kent itl cost ya 15 euros
[12:28] <Danila> Wolven: I will do it now.
[12:28] <liam> ewww
[12:28] <liam> gross
[12:29] <liam> ok this is starting to turn out into an erotic fantasy chatline
[12:29] <Schaap> irc guys are wankers
[12:29] <kent> liam, i was joking :)
[12:29] <liam> i know kent
[12:29] <liam> i was also joking
[12:29] <liam> haha
[12:29] <Schaap> "oh a femaleish name!"
[12:29] <liam> schaap
[12:29] <liam> do you make fun of others to make up for your small penis?
[12:30] <scoon> hey all, anyone here use muine and care to tell me if it will play files on a smb share ?
[12:30] <liam> btw i am not being "immature" i am only 15 so this IS mature
[12:30] <jdub> guys, not appropriate for this channel thanks
[12:30] <Schaap> Yesm im making fun of you because mine is just 8 :(
[12:30] <liam> SORRY SCOON
[12:30] <liam> way to ruin all the fun....
[12:30] <liam> nah just joking
[12:30] <scoon> liam ?
[12:30] <scoon> liam, never be sorry for something that you have not done.
[12:31] <liam> yes
[12:31] <scoon> hey all, anyone here use muine and care to tell me if it will play files on a smb share ?
[12:31] <liam> what do you mean?
[12:31] <isah> hi, is there any guide for ex-windows user how to use ubuntu? install software and stuff like that?
[12:31] <liam> have you tried www.ubuntulinux.com
[12:31] <randabis_> www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:32] <Wolven> or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=15
[12:32] <isah> there are guides, but they're hard to understand for me
[12:32] <liam> doesn't ubuntulinux have some?
[12:32] <liam> maybe not
[12:32] <liam> danila!
[12:32] <randabis_> www.ubuntulinus.org/wiki
[12:32] <liam> don't leave m1
[12:32] <liam> so
[12:32] <liam> i am gonna burn the cd again
[12:32] <liam> ohh wait nvm
[12:32] <liam> lemme try something
[12:33] <liam> hey guys
[12:33] <Rocha> Hello
[12:33] <liam> what size is your ubuntu cd?
[12:33] <liam> like what space is taken up on it?
[12:33] <esher> my button panel messed up, i dont now why, i have no do any changes on ubuntu, panel is there, but open tasks are no in it anymore, only the paper-basket at the right
[12:33] <esher> :(
[12:34] <randabis_> it's under 600 mb, I know that much
[12:34] <esher> anyone here can help ?
[12:34] <Rocha> Is there anyway that someone could use ubuntu without and internet connection and still easily install packages?
[12:34] <randabis_> esher add the windowlist applet to the panel
[12:34] <ubuntu2u> oops
[12:34] <ubuntu2u> sorry
[12:34] <ubuntu2u> damn
[12:34] <ubuntu2u> this is liam
[12:34] <ubuntu2u> lol
[12:34] <ubuntu2u> i'll be right back again i got disconnected
[12:34] <Rocha> I don't have internet access at home and i'm sick of downloading a program from synaptic, copying it to my pen-drive and arrive home and get a dependency hell
[12:35] <ubuntu2u> damn internet
[12:35] <ubuntu2u> do what every american citizen does!
[12:35] <ubuntu2u> steal somebody's dial up password!
[12:35] <esher> hmm randabis, how can i do this
[12:35] <Rocha> i don't have a dial up connection either.
[12:35] <ubuntu2u> do you have a phone line?
[12:35] <randabis_> esher, tried right-clicking the panel, then add to panel?
[12:36] <esher> in menu from panel there are only german names, and i dont find this
[12:36] <tritium> ubuntu2u, what do you mean by that?
[12:36] <ubuntu2u> i don't quite know
[12:36] <ubuntu2u> mean by what?
[12:36] <Rocha> yup, but the internet is paid seperatedly so my mon knows that i was using the modem
[12:36] <tritium> your comment
[12:36] <randabis_> compiling firefox takes forever hehe
[12:36] <Rocha> and she would tell me to pay the account
[12:36] <ubuntu2u> what was my comment?
[12:36] <Rocha> and i don't want that
[12:36] <isah> thank you for the forum link, here are the answers for my questions :)
[12:36] <ubuntu2u> like what are you offended?
[12:36] <ubuntu2u> by the american citizen thing?
[12:37] <ubuntu2u> because if you are...*shakes fist violently*
[12:37] <Rocha> nop, i'm not
[12:37] <Rocha> :)
[12:37] <ubuntu2u> lol
[12:37] <ubuntu2u> tritium?
[12:38] <tritium> ubuntu2u, what?
[12:38] <Rocha> i used to do that when i was working and paid the internet access, i mean, telephone account.
[12:38] <ubuntu2u> are you offended by my comment about the american citizens stealing dial up passowrd????
[12:38] <ubuntu2u> directed at tritium
[12:38] <esher> aaa found
[12:38] <tritium> ubuntu2u, I have no idea what that comment means.
[12:38] <esher> thanx randabis
[12:38] <Rocha> internet access is free here now, but i have to pay the telephone
[12:38] <ubuntu2u> oh!
[12:39] <ubuntu2u> nevermind then
[12:39] <ubuntu2u> lol
[12:39] <tritium> ubuntu2u, why would you say that?
[12:39] <ubuntu2u> i don't know it was a quote off the simpsons
[12:39] <ubuntu2u> just trying to liven up the place :)
[12:39] <tritium> Oh...
[12:39] <ubuntu2u> sorry :(
[12:39] <tritium> I get it
[12:39] <tritium> No, it doesn't offend me.
[12:39] <tritium> I was just puzzled.
[12:40] <ubuntu2u> ok
[12:40] <ubuntu2u> hey tritium
[12:40] <tritium> It doesn't seem like something that "everybody's doing"
[12:40] <tritium> yeah?
[12:40] <ubuntu2u> how much space should ubuntu take up on my cd after i burned it
[12:40] <tritium> I don't recall.  Between 1-2 gigs, I think.
[12:40] <ubuntu2u> because the downloaded file is 535 mb's but my cd is only 522 mb's
[12:40] <ubuntu2u> does this mean the burning went wrong?
[12:40] <tritium> On, the .iso image?
[12:40] <ubuntu2u> yes
[12:41] <tritium> Oh, let me see.
[12:41] <tritium> Which one?
[12:41] <tritium> Warty?
[12:41] <ubuntu2u> yes
[12:42] <tritium> ubuntu2u, 523M
[12:42] <ubuntu2u> tritium
[12:42] <ubuntu2u> this is liam
[12:42] <tritium> I know
[12:42] <ubuntu2u> so when i log back on
[12:42] <ubuntu2u> oh ok
[12:42] <tritium> one moment
[12:42] <ubuntu2u> i am going to write down the error and when i get back on i am going tot ell you
[12:42] <ubuntu2u> so i will come back on as liam
[12:43] <ubuntu2u> brb
[12:44] <technodude90> hello
[12:45] <technodude90> where is the Ubuntu Repository?
[12:45] <Golfer> technodude90 make up your mind
[12:45] <Rocha> Zotnix, python or ruby
[12:45] <linusthepenguin> I ran into a problem with Grub... It cannot boot into Windows XP...
[12:45] <tritium> Zotnix, VCR+ :)
[12:45] <technodude90> where can I get .deb pacakges for Ubuntu that aren't on the official cd?
[12:45] <Zotnix> I'm learning python now.
[12:46] <Zotnix> Doing pygtk
[12:46] <linusthepenguin> Can anyone help?
[12:46] <Rocha> Zotnix, stay with python then
[12:46] <tritium> Zotnix, anything you're not liking about it?
[12:46] <technodude90> is there an official Ubuntu repository?
[12:46] <randabis_> linusthepenguin, what happens?
[12:46] <tritium> technodude90, yes.  Look at the topic
[12:46] <randabis_> technodude90, archive.ubuntu.com
[12:46] <linusthepenguin> I never had any problems with freebsd or other distros except for debian...
[12:46] <linusthepenguin> *debian-based
[12:47] <Zotnix> tritium, so far, not really. Some widgets are not well documented and everything on the net is about how to use glade + python
[12:47] <linusthepenguin> Right now, my grub config looks like:
[12:47] <tritium> Zotnix, so you're looking for something else, eh?
[12:47] <Zotnix> Maybe, dunno.
[12:47] <Zotnix> I've heard good stuff about mono
[12:47] <Zotnix> C#
[12:47] <ficusplanet> jdub: IMHO, the ubuntu livecd should definitely let you do an install (in response to your blog)
[12:47] <linusthepenguin> root (hd0,0) savedefault makeactive chainloader +1
[12:47] <technodude90> thanks
[12:47] <technodude90> bye
[12:48] <Zotnix> the fact that it is very portable also appeals to me.
[12:48] <ubuntu2u> hey tritium
[12:48] <tritium> ubuntu2u, hey
[12:48] <ubuntu2u> oops back on this again
[12:48] <ubuntu2u> ok
[12:48] <ubuntu2u> um
[12:48] <linusthepenguin> Error: Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7
[12:49] <tritium> ubuntu2u, take off, you hoser, and come back as liam, eh
[12:49] <ubuntu2u> it stops at acpi:subsystem revision 20040816
[12:49] <ubuntu2u> hahaha
[12:49] <ubuntu2u> ok
[12:49] <ubuntu2u> i see you have seen strange brew?
[12:49] <ubuntu2u> or are you making fun of me because i am canadian you bastard!
[12:49] <tritium> indeed
[12:49] <ubuntu2u> both?
[12:49] <ubuntu2u> i suspect
[12:49] <tritium> :)
[12:49] <ubuntu2u> hahaha
[12:49] <tritium> Aw, come on, neighbor
[12:49] <ubuntu2u> if you even knew i was canadian
[12:50] <wolki> hi!
[12:50] <tritium> I knew
[12:50] <ubuntu2u> i'm guessing you american?
[12:50] <ubuntu2u> how did you know?
[12:50] <ubuntu2u> because you have my ip?
[12:50] <isah> a always read grub.conf, can somebody say me where this file is?
[12:50] <tritium> yes, when you log in and out
[12:50] <ubuntu2u> or something
[12:50] <ubuntu2u> are you an administrator?
[12:50] <tritium> isah, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:50] <mjr> isah, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:50] <tritium> no
[12:50] <mjr> echo
[12:50] <isah> ok, thx
[12:50] <ubuntu2u> how do you know then
[12:50] <tritium> ubuntu2u, it just shows when you log in and out
[12:50] <mjr> grub.conf is a RedHatism
[12:50] <ubuntu2u> oh
[12:50] <ubuntu2u> never knew that
[12:50] <ubuntu2u> anyways
[12:51] <ubuntu2u> tritium it stops at acpi:subsystem revision 20040816
[12:51] <tritium> ubuntu2u, I could also tell by your accent
[12:51] <ubuntu2u> know what this mean?
[12:51] <ubuntu2u> wtf?
[12:51] <tritium> just kidding, eh
 woohoo new mobo and i got it to boot with the new vid card Note its using the onboard at the moment
  and the pci gf fx 5200 pci is still hoocked in to the sys
[12:51] <ubuntu2u> liam has quit irc?
[12:51] <ubuntu2u> lol
[12:51] <ubuntu2u> maybe i was still logged on?
[12:51] <ubuntu2u> whatever
[12:51] <ubuntu2u> lol
[12:51] <zenrox> i am so happy
[12:52] <ubuntu2u> congratulations
[12:52] <tritium> ubuntu2u, is it an old machine?
[12:52] <wolki> i just installed ubuntu on my dad's pc, and he seems to like it :) but i can'ts boot into w2k anymore, it seems... all the data seems to be here still, i can access the partitions from ubuntu. any ideas?
[12:52] <ubuntu2u> not really
[12:52] <ubuntu2u> it's a laptop
[12:52] <ubuntu2u> hp
[12:52] <isah> i'm looking for the file where i can delete the "windows xp" entry, when i'm booting the pc
[12:52] <ubuntu2u> probably 2001
[12:52] <zenrox> now i need to get the my gf fx5200 to work as a dule monter setup
[12:52] <tritium> ubuntu2u, becuase that message makes me wonder if you need acpi=off
[12:52] <johnnygeargrinde> After installing Ubuntu. my laptop battery drains fast, it worked correctly before. Any ideas?
[12:52] <ubuntu2u> 1.0 ghz 512 mbs of ram
[12:52] <ubuntu2u> hmm ok
[12:52] <ubuntu2u> what is acpi?
[12:53] <ubuntu2u> there was also this messgae
[12:53] <ubuntu2u> message
[12:53] <tritium> power management stuff, basically
[12:53] <TheCan> hi accidentily i removed /dev/hdc. how can i recreate it? sh MAKEDEV works, but doesn't recreate hdc
[12:53] <zenrox> adv. configeration power interface
[12:53] <ubuntu2u> checking if image is initramfs.....it isn't(no cpio magic) looks like an initrd
[12:54] <ubuntu2u> that message was before that one about 2 inches up
[12:54] <Ubunturero> wolki, when upgrade ubuntu and upgrade the kernel image, this don't add windows to grub, you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[12:55] <randabis_> isah, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:55] <ubuntu2u> that is the exact message i think
[12:55] <ubuntu2u> tritium
[12:55] <isah> randabis, thx
[12:55] <tritium> isah, that's what I told you earlier
[12:55] <butt> so nano menu.lst
[12:56] <wolki> ubunturero: oh right, i installed the kernel, i'll take a look at that. thanks!
[12:56] <isah> nano -w /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:56] <tritium> ubuntu2u, which
[12:56] <johnnygeargrinde> In Ubuntu, where do you go to check power features?
[12:56] <butt> right click tool bar
[12:56] <butt> and add pannel
[12:56] <ubuntu2u> damn lol
[12:56] <ubuntu2u> it was long
[12:56] <butt> battery charge monitor
[12:56] <ubuntu2u> scroll up afew messages
[12:56] <ubuntu2u> lol
[12:56] <drqk_> tritium: :P
[12:57] <drqk_> tritium: any way to get the src for xserver ?
[12:57] <ubuntu2u> the.... cecking if image
[12:57] <tritium> ubuntu2u, that looks fine
[12:57] <ubuntu2u> one
[12:57] <DAC1138> can i change gdm for xdm in ubuntu?
[12:57] <tritium> drqk_, you can get the source for any package in ubuntu
[12:57] <johnnygeargrinde> You can literally whatch the battery drain
[12:57] <tritium> DAC1138, yes
[12:57] <DAC1138> tritium: how? is xdm there by default?
[12:57] <drqk_> tritium: tell me how! my programs doesnt find X :S
[12:57] <tritium> drqk_, apt-get source
[12:57] <DAC1138> tritium i know i can, but i mean is it there by default and how hard would it be?
[12:58] <tritium> drqk_, followed by the package name
[12:58] <drqk_> tritium: i got it :>
[12:58] <drqk_> thx
[12:58] <DAC1138> tritium ubuntu passes certain options to gdm, and the accelerated xserver im using doesnt like that
[12:58] <ubuntu2u> well it just stops there tritium
[12:58] <tritium> DAC1138, "sudo apt-get install xdm"
[12:58] <ubuntu2u> damn
[12:58] <ubuntu2u> someone help tritium
[12:59] <ubuntu2u> if u know what ur talking about!
[12:59] <tritium> ubuntu2u, did you check the md5sum?
[12:59] <ubuntu2u> i had no fucking clue
[12:59] <ubuntu2u> oops
[12:59] <ubuntu2u> sorry!'
[12:59] <johnnygeargrinde> In 5 minutes my battery went from 100% to 85% not good.
[12:59] <butt> lmao
[12:59] <butt> batteries get old
[01:00] <butt> they lose charges faster
[01:00] <bascule> linux powermangement sux big time *shrug*
[01:00] <ubuntu2u> ya i need to use my damn outlet or it shuts off in 5 minutes
[01:00] <ubuntu2u> ir's normal
[01:00] <tritium> bascule, no, it's great in Hoary
[01:00] <bascule> it is?
[01:00] <johnnygeargrinde> It worked right three days ago b4 installing Ubuntu
[01:00] <DAC1138> johnnygeargrinde i have a battery that only lasts 5 minutes because its so used up
[01:00] <tritium> Yes
[01:00] <ubuntu2u> tritium
[01:00] <tritium> I've got suspend-to-Ram and -to-disk working well
[01:00] <ubuntu2u> my cd is only 522 and you say it is supposed to be 523
[01:01] <tritium> roughly
[01:01] <tritium> it sounds right
[01:01] <ubuntu2u> oh
[01:01] <ubuntu2u> well what the hell
[01:01] <bascule> tritium: we're talking battery life here, not suspend function
[01:01] <wolki> Ubunturero, i'm looking at the menu.lst file now... thare's already a windows option in there, and it looks exactly like the example in the comments... what am i doing wrong?
[01:01] <johnnygeargrinde> I do keep the laptop on ac all the time, maybe that made it go bad faster
[01:01] <johnnygeargrinde> Or something
[01:01] <DAC1138> johnnygeargrinde yeah, i have my battery out when im on ac power
[01:02] <tritium> bascule, all part of power management
[01:02] <bascule> johnnygeargrinde: batterys aren't happy being in at all times
[01:02] <johnnygeargrinde> ok
[01:02] <ubuntu2u> exactly what i was gonna say dac :)
[01:02] <DAC1138> johnnygeargrinde and ALWAYS let the battery fully drain before you recharge, never start recharging when it has some life left (like 20%)
[01:02] <johnnygeargrinde> Sounds like a plan
[01:02] <bascule> tritium: so what has changed between warty and hoary?
[01:02] <johnnygeargrinde> That's my problem then
[01:02] <Menaherann> ok... guys i need help trying to get ubuntu started on my laptop.....
[01:02] <johnnygeargrinde> I have not had it off charge in a few months
[01:03] <Menaherann> can anyone lend a hand?
[01:03] <Ubunturero> wolki, and what happend when you select win in grub menu?
[01:03] <tritium> bascule, acpi-support, newer kernels, etc
[01:03] <goldfish> Ubunturero: you using the install cd?
[01:03] <tritium> Menaherann, yes, if you had ever asked in here, rather than -devel
[01:03] <ubuntu2u> tritium.... don't wanna get you mad but i forgot the link! *bangs head against wall*
[01:03] <tritium> Menaherann, but you need to give us a chance to help you first before you tell them in there that we can't.
[01:03] <bascule> scrollback?
[01:03] <ubuntu2u> it disconnected me
[01:03] <Ubunturero> goldfish, huh? =S
[01:04] <goldfish> nm
[01:04] <goldfish> :
[01:04] <goldfish> :)
[01:04] <Menaherann> ok... you sound like you're up to the challenge...:)
[01:04] <goldfish> well, i installed it last week on my laptop.
[01:04] <goldfish> First time using linux.
[01:04] <goldfish> It's fairly handy.
[01:04] <linusthepenguin> Anyone willing to help with a grub problem?
[01:04] <tritium> linusthepenguin, what's going on?
[01:05] <ubuntu2u> tritium how can i try it using the live disc
[01:05] <johnnygeargrinde> Installed great on my Dell laptop
[01:05] <linusthepenguin> I have the menu.lst up
[01:05] <ubuntu2u> is that the live disc that i downloaded?
[01:05] <tritium> ubuntu2u, does it have a failsafe boot option?
[01:05] <DAC1138> http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/02/10/1254208.shtml?tid=123&tid=155&tid=106  <<< its about darn time, how long has this been going on? 3 years?
[01:05] <wolki> Ubunturero: "unknown fs type" or sth like that... i forgot to write it down. it also displayed a hex number of a partition type, like grub with ubuntu, just with an error and without booting further
[01:06] <linusthepenguin> I cannot boot into Windows XP from a default install with 8 Gb auto partitioned by ubuntu
[01:06] <Menaherann> ok.. guys: my laptop can't load anything after the login screen.
[01:06] <johnnygeargrinde> Thanks for the info about battery guys
[01:06] <Menaherann> what can i do about it?
[01:06] <tritium> Menaherann, so you log in and nothing happens?
[01:07] <tritium> linusthepenguin, is XP in your boot menu?
[01:07] <ubuntu2u> i am not sure what a failsafe boot option is tritium
[01:07] <linusthepenguin> Yep
[01:07] <Menaherann> basically i end up with a black screen on which i can move my mouse. that's all
[01:07] <tritium> ubuntu2u, when you first boot the CD
[01:07] <ubuntu2u> yeas
[01:07] <ubuntu2u> yes
[01:07] <drqk_> how do i fix this: configure: error: Could not find XOpenDisplay in -lX11.
[01:07] <ubuntu2u> you mean when my computer is off
[01:07] <tritium> ubuntu2u, there are various help sections available using the Function keys
[01:07] <drqk_> i have X.....
[01:07] <ubuntu2u> i understand that
[01:07] <tritium> ubuntu2u, one of them explains failsafe boot
[01:07] <ubuntu2u> i have looked at them all
[01:07] <ubuntu2u> ok
[01:07] <ubuntu2u> maybe skipped that one
[01:08] <ubuntu2u> but what i do is i switch my startup drives so that my cd drive loads before my harddrive and that is how i get into the ubuntu setup
[01:08] <ubuntu2u> is this correct?
[01:09] <tritium> ubuntu2u, you set that up in the BIOS?  yes, you want that so you can boot off CD
[01:09] <ubuntu2u> yes i did that
[01:09] <tritium> good
[01:09] <tritium> Menaherann, can you get to a virtual console?
[01:09] <ubuntu2u> but it comes up with installing it to my hardrive it doesn't do a hardboot.
[01:09] <ubuntu2u> oops
[01:09] <xwind> xdialog is not in hoary release? where can i apt-get it?  i wanted to install winetools.
[01:09] <Menaherann> u mean cntrl+alt+f2?
[01:09] <ubuntu2u> a liveboot i mean tritium
[01:09] <ubuntu2u> it doesn't do a liveboot
[01:10] <tritium> Menaherann, doesn't have to be F2.  Can also be F1-F6
[01:10] <Menaherann> ok.. but yep.. i can get that
[01:10] <Ubunturero> wolki, file system error? oh oh
[01:10] <tritium> ubuntulog, I'm not sure I know what you mean.
[01:10] <tritium> Menaherann, did you look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors?
[01:11] <Menaherann> how do i lok there?
[01:11] <wolki> crap, i found sth in the wiki... it seems like i shouldn't have overwritten the mbr though it said it should be harmless in the installer :-/
[01:11] <ubuntu2u> ok
[01:11] <tritium> wolki, it's okay to do that
[01:11] <ubuntu2u> how would i d a livedisc boot?
[01:12] <drqk_> tritium: configure: error: Could not find XOpenDisplay in -lX11. <------ how do i fic this?? i have X for sure...
[01:12] <tritium> drqk_, do you have X libraries?
[01:12] <Menaherann> tritium: you wan;t me to type that in the console?
[01:12] <tritium> drqk_, why on earth are you building that too?
[01:12] <tritium> Menaherann, type what?
[01:13] <Menaherann> the command you just ask me to?
[01:13] <wolki> Ubunturero: well, i can still access the files on that partition, so it doesn't look like its really damaged
[01:13] <tritium> Menaherann, that's not a command.  that's a file you need to look at
[01:13] <ubuntu2u> mana i think he is having a very hard time dealing with all these people at once
[01:13] <Menaherann> ok... how?
[01:13] <drqk_> tritium: i have xlibs... im trying to build pekwm.....
[01:13] <ubuntu2u> tritium i am gonna go look at the failsafe
[01:13] <ubuntu2u> thanks ttyl
[01:14] <Menaherann> np, take your time :)
[01:14] <tritium> ubuntu2u, are you leaving?
[01:14] <ubuntu2u> momentarily
[01:14] <tritium> ubuntu2u, sorry, I will totally miss anything not addressed to me
[01:14] <ubuntu2u> for like 2 minutes while look at this failsafe boot option thing
[01:14] <wolki> tritium: i know it should be ok... oh wait, it can't be that, i had a mandrake lilo i it and it worked fine... hm... maybe i'll reboot it again
[01:14] <tritium> ubuntu2u, please use my nick in your messages
[01:14] <ubuntu2u> ok sorry
[01:15] <ubuntu2u> tritium i am going to look at that failsafe boot option
[01:15] <tritium> wolki, what's happening?
[01:15] <tritium> ubuntu2u, okay
[01:15] <drqk_> tritium: i have xlibs... im trying to build pekwm.....
[01:15] <tritium> drqk_, let me scroll up...
[01:15] <wolki> tritium: i'll write down the error message this time... brb
[01:16] <tritium> ok
[01:16] <Menaherann> trituim: how can i look to that file?
[01:17] <geppy> How can I make a .pk4?
[01:17] <tritium> Menaherann, try "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[01:17] <Menaherann> tritium: type that in the console right?
[01:17] <tritium> Menaherann, yes
[01:18] <geppy> file-roller can read .pk4s, but can't create them.
[01:18] <tritium> drqk_, which xlibs package did you grab?
[01:19] <drqk_> tritium: xlibs, xlibx-data ?
[01:20] <tritium> drqk_, those are not development libraries.  You need something ending in -dev
[01:20] <tritium> libx11-dev
[01:20] <Menaherann> tritium: no such file or directory
[01:20] <tritium> Menaherann, oh, are you on Warty?
[01:20] <Menaherann> tritium yes
[01:20] <tritium> sorry, /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[01:20] <drqk_> tritium: on that i get deps problems........
[01:20] <Menaherann> tritium ok
[01:21] <tritium> drqk_, did you "sudo apt-get install libx11-dev"?
[01:21] <drqk_> yep.
[01:21] <tritium> and?
[01:21] <tritium> it works for me
[01:21] <t94xr> whats the minimum system requirements for Ubuntu?
[01:21] <drqk_> tritium:   libx11-dev: Beror: libx11-6 (= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu25) men 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu25.1 skall installeras
[01:21] <drqk_>               Beror: libxext-dev men det kommer inte att installeras
[01:21] <drqk_>               Beror: libxi-dev men det kommer inte att installeras
[01:21] <drqk_>               Beror: xlibs-static-dev men det kommer inte att installeras
[01:22] <drqk_> its swedish, i dont know how to get rid of it :P
[01:22] <arnold> re
[01:22] <drqk_> Beror = depends :P
[01:22] <Menaherann> tritium: crap.... the same
[01:22] <tritium> Menaherann, cd /var/log.  Make sure it really doesn't exist.
[01:22] <net_benjo> hi all....any people use KDE with ubuntu? how is it, if you do?
[01:22] <Riddell> net_benjo: it's excellent
[01:23] <t94xr> whats the minimum system requirements for Ubuntu?
[01:23] <hybrid> t94xr : 32 mb ram 1.8 gb for standard install 350 mb for minimal
[01:23] <Riddell> t94xr: see ubuntu traffic
[01:23] <tritium> drqk_, where did the swedish come from?
[01:23] <wolki> ok, this is the error i get: "root (hd0,0) Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7" any ideas?
[01:23] <liam> hey
[01:23] <net_benjo> Riddell....tell me about it....you had no probs installing it? how  about your favourite kde apps? all there??
[01:23] <liam> tritium
[01:23] <tritium> wolki, possible you need LBA enabled in BIOS
[01:23] <liam> i got it figured out!
[01:23] <t94xr> processor?
[01:23] <Danila> Linux is not ready for the desktop...
[01:23] <drqk_> tritium: apt-get install libx11-dev
[01:23] <tritium> liam, hello
[01:23] <geppy> .pk4s, anyone?
[01:23] <hybrid> that spex were for x86
[01:24] <Riddell> net_benjo: they're all there, the only problem is an issue with the k-menus for which you need to install gnome-menus package
[01:24] <Menaherann> tritium: ok.... it open something, right?
[01:24] <tritium> drqk_, do you have swedish mirror or locale?
[01:24] <tritium> Menaherann, it should, if it's there
[01:24] <hybrid> t94xr : ubuntu runs on most anything
[01:24] <liam> tritium i came back to ask if turning off linux acpi=off will have any bad effects on my computer?
[01:24] <hybrid> ppc x86 64 bit
[01:24] <tritium> liam, it may be necessary
[01:24] <drqk_> tritium: apperently yes, how do i change to us?
[01:24] <Menaherann> tritium: menaherann@ubuntu: var/log $
[01:24] <Menaherann> now whta?
[01:25] <tritium> dpkg-reconfigure locales, I believe, drqk_
[01:25] <net_benjo> ridell:  thanks a lot..i might give it a try...but i want to give GNOME a try..gnome feels more linuxy...:)
[01:25] <tritium> Menaherann, ls
[01:25] <t94xr> so will it run smoothy on a PII 300MMX with 128MB Ram?
[01:25] <wolki> tritium: well, it was dualbooting fine with mandrake and lilo... but it might be some bios issues, of course. i'll take a look
[01:25] <tritium> Menaherann, look for XFree86.0.log
[01:25] <liam> tritium what is acpi? will it overheat my computer or anything? or give too much power?
[01:25] <hybrid> prolly 794xr
[01:25] <t94xr> cool
[01:25] <hybrid> **t94xr
[01:25] <tritium> wolki, I'd almost bet on it
[01:25] <hybrid> how big an hdd do you have
[01:25] <sulkd> lol
[01:25] <sulkd> http://www.bash.org/?104052
[01:26] <tritium> liam, no, your computer won't overheat.
[01:26] <wolki> tritium: i'll keep you informed :) brb...
[01:26] <tritium> liam, it should fall back to apm, I believe
[01:26] <tritium> wolki, okay
[01:26] <Menaherann> tritium: i typed that ant it says command not found
[01:26] <hybrid> how do you install the paackages once you apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:26] <tritium> Menaherann, typed what?
[01:26] <netmonk> how do I set alsa for my sound system?
[01:26] <drqk_> tritium: now were rolling, okay i typep apt-get install libx11-dev and i get these deps:
[01:27] <drqk_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:27] <drqk_>   libx11-dev: Depends: libx11-6 (= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu25) but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu25.1 is to be installed
[01:27] <drqk_>               Depends: libxext-dev but it is not going to be installed
[01:27] <drqk_>               Depends: libxi-dev but it is not going to be installed
[01:27] <drqk_>               Depends: xlibs-static-dev but it is not going to be installed
[01:27] <tritium> drqk_, did you do an apt-get update recently?
[01:27] <drqk_> tritium: yes.
[01:27] <Menaherann> tritium: i typed Xfre86.0.log
[01:27] <liam> tritium, when i disable acpi it works. is there another possible way to fix it without disabling it? and what is apm?
[01:27] <Cindux> AH HELP
[01:27] <Cindux> help ><
[01:27] <Cindux> lol
[01:27] <drqk_> tritium: and apt-get upgrade.
[01:27] <tritium> drqk_, which mirrors did you use in sources.list?
[01:28] <tritium> liam, advanced power mgmt
[01:28] <sulkd> Cindux, are those Cartman yelling eyes?
[01:28] <drqk_> tritium: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[01:28] <drqk_> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[01:28] <tritium> liam, you probably need to leave it disabled
[01:28] <Cindux> YES ><
[01:28] <Cindux> plz lol
[01:28] <Cindux> basically my barebone pc just arrived
[01:28] <liam> tritium ok thanks, is this linux good for legally hacking :)
[01:28] <Cindux> and i was putting in the IDE1 cable
[01:29] <sulkd> Cindux, mmkay, state your bidness
[01:29] <Cindux> ( the blue one )
[01:29] <tritium> liam, what do you mean?
[01:29] <liam> "legally hacking"
[01:29] <DAC1138> i cant mount my windows xp ntfs drive in ubuntu, does ubuntu have ntfs support?
[01:29] <Cindux> and i bent the itty bitty metal prongs
[01:29] <tritium> DAC1138, yes
[01:29] <Cindux> that u hook it up with
[01:29] <liam> tritium
[01:29] <liam> i mean hacking
[01:29] <liam> but "legally
[01:29] <liam> you know
[01:29] <DAC1138> tritium,  i have the proper fstab entries, but the drive wont let me, a normal user browse it
[01:29] <liam> hint
[01:29] <liam> hint
[01:29] <liam> i'm getting into hacking lol
[01:29] <sulkd> Cindux, so you joined #ubuntu? O_o
[01:29] <liam> but i was over at my friends
[01:29] <Cindux> well ubuntus my distro lol
[01:29] <Cindux> im always here
[01:29] <liam> and he has all this shit setup cuz i was at his for a month
[01:29] <Cindux> :
[01:30] <Cindux> :(
[01:30] <Cindux> helpz me!
[01:30] <DAC1138> tritium, /dev/hda1    /mnt/win      ntfs      user,ro,noauto,    0  0
[01:30] <Cindux> its only the 2 very bottom metal prongs
[01:30] <liam> and he didn't really show me what to use.... just how to do it
[01:30] <Cindux> and they were bent equally
[01:30] <tritium> drqk_, I thought you upgraded to Hoary
[01:31] <Cindux> = /
[01:31] <Cindux> is this an ez fix /
[01:31] <tritium> DAC1138, one moment
[01:31] <drqk_> tritium: :P apperently not.....
[01:31] <sulkd> Cindux, aight.. yours prongs went fucked up eh? word.. survival time.. hrm.. do you have any of those electrical aligator jaw things? you can use that as a roach, no probs..
[01:31] <sulkd> hehe
[01:31] <Adler> I just installed U on on my tri-boot system and can't do anything with it.
[01:31] <DAC1138> tritium,  i manually created /mnt/win  and changed the permissions so any user can read/write to it (#chmod 777 /mnt/win)
[01:32] <drqk_> tritium: where do i do that then? do i change universe?
[01:32] <Danila> I just booted a LiveCD (thanks, Wolven, it helped to burn at 4x speed), but after setting up Networking I can't start up any applications. Any ideas?
[01:32] <tritium> drqk_, in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:32] <tritium> drqk_, keep universe and multiverse
[01:32] <drqk_> tritium: hmm :P i dont have multiverse :P
[01:32] <Adler> What are the advantages of U?
[01:32] <tritium> DAC1138, http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[01:33] <Menaherann> tritium: i'm lost, what should i type?
[01:33] <tritium> DAC1138, you need the umask stuff in /etc/fstab
[01:33] <Danila> Before I set it up programs start normally. Immediately after I set it up, no new programs can be started. They just show "Starting FOO" in the taskbar and even that closes after ~30 seconds.
[01:33] <tritium> Menaherann, you're in /var/log?
[01:33] <Adler> I think that UBUNTU Sucks!
[01:33] <Menaherann> tritium: yep
[01:33] <Rocha> Adler, why?
[01:33] <goldfish> lol
[01:33] <tritium> Adler, what's the problem?
[01:33] <tritium> Menaherann, "ls"
[01:33] <terrel> who has used mandrake before using ubunto here?
[01:33] <terrel> So i can know if ubuntu is better
[01:33] <Menaherann> ls?
[01:33] <tritium> Menaherann, then, look for XFree86.0.log
[01:34] <hybrid> me
[01:34] <Adler> Ah, got your attention!
[01:34] <Danila> In a sense I tend to agree with Adler... :(
[01:34] <Menaherann> ok
[01:34] <tritium> Danila, you haven't got it installed yet, though, have you?
[01:34] <inc_> sup room
[01:34] <DAC1138> tritium, worked, thanks
[01:34] <marcin_ant> tritium: Adler's problem is that he loves flame wars ;)
[01:34] <Adler> I run a tr-boot system and wanted to do something with U.
[01:34] <Menaherann> tritium: i got eight different lines....
[01:35] <tritium> DAC1138, sure thing, buddy
[01:35] <tck> im looking for my kernel source through synaptic, can't seem to find it
[01:35] <marcin_ant> Adler: define "something" ?
[01:35] <tritium> tck, why kernel source?
[01:35] <liam> tritium, do you get paid for this?
[01:35] <tck> i use 2.6.8.1-3-386
[01:35] <tritium> liam, no
[01:35] <tck> i need to install it
[01:35] <Danila> tritium, not yet, but I managed to boot LiveCD.
[01:35] <liam> tritium, those bastards!
[01:35] <Corvus> what could be the reason because an usb device is recognized but it isn't working ?
[01:35] <tritium> Danila, give it a chance, then.
[01:35] <tritium> tck, install sources?  why?
[01:35] <Danila> You mean installing?
[01:36] <Wolki> tritium! you're my hero of the day :)
[01:36] <Adler> I have U installed, with XP and SuSE -- can do eveything but w/ U
[01:36] <tck> tritium, i need to re-compile
[01:36] <tritium> Danila, ubuntu
[01:36] <tritium> tck, yes, but what for?
[01:36] <liam> tritium, when i turn 18 and have my own money... i am going to send you 100 dollars
[01:36] <tck> patching an orinoco card
[01:36] <liam> tritium, or more
[01:36] <tritium> liam, it's okay, I've got a job :)
[01:36] <liam> tritium, lol
[01:36] <Wolki> i'll now drink a czech budweiser in your favor... i enabled lba and everything works
[01:36] <tritium> tck, so use kernel-headers since you're just building a module
[01:36] <Wolven> Danila, I don't know if this helps, but you can install ubuntu first and then enable the network to upgrade/download/install suff
[01:36] <liam> tritium, well man u help so ****ing much
[01:36] <tritium> tck, linux-headers-2.6.8-blah...
[01:36] <tck> hmm i have kernel-headers installed
[01:37] <tritium> tck, you didn't need to
[01:37] <liam> tritium, in your opinion is linux better than windows xp overall?
[01:37] <tritium> tck, well, is it a module in kernel proper?
[01:37] <Adler> I'm out of here. UBUNTU Sucks!
[01:37] <umarmung> Is there an easy way to allow other users access to my xsession? I mean no need to type xhost local:user every time!
[01:37] <tritium> Adler, you never said why
[01:38] <Menaherann> tritium: the last three items have the Xfree86 thing
[01:38] <hybrid> lol
[01:38] <DAC1138> Adler, dont worry, we forgive you're idiocy. but please, no trolling
[01:38] <liam> adler is a poophead
[01:38] <Adler> I'm tierd of the idiots here.
[01:38] <hybrid> lol
[01:38] <tck> tritium, cheers
[01:38] <Menaherann> lol
[01:38] <tck> later
[01:38] <bubbannga> probably cause he doesn't know how to use it
[01:38] <liam> LOL DAC!
[01:38] <daniels> DAC1138: language
[01:38] <bubbannga> thats gonna be my guess
[01:38] <Menaherann> poophead
[01:38] <liam> LOLOLOL
[01:38] <liam> seriously
[01:38] <daniels> guys, just letit go
[01:38] <DAC1138> Adler, im not in #suse or #slackware or #redhat saying "you all suck"
[01:38] <hybrid> adler is a mdk who|23
[01:38] <Menaherann> lol
[01:38] <zeiter> hey
[01:38] <tritium> liam, of course ;)
[01:38] <umarmung> Adler, then you mean #ubuntu sucks != ubuntu sucks! right?
[01:38] <zeiter> anyone can explain me how to install a .deb ?
[01:38] <Adler> I use Suse
[01:38] <tritium> tck, remind me?
[01:38] <Rocha> dpkg -i xpto.deb
[01:38] <zeiter> rochat
[01:39] <zeiter> Rocha, it doesn't work
[01:39] <`shane> I love ubuntu! It's that budubudabump sound
[01:39] <DAC1138> zeiter, what Rocha said
[01:39] <Danila> Wolven. Well, sadly this doesn't seem very helpful... :) I mean, I don't think upgrading a fresh LiveCD would help much. It's probably the old "Unix being picky about who it is friendly with". Nothing ever works for me correctly...
[01:39] <daniels> see, this is why you don't feed the trolls
[01:39] <liam> tritium what was the wink all about... are you just saying that? or are you serious lmfao type in piglatin for your answer!
[01:39] <liam> lmfao
[01:39] <DAC1138> for my, ubuntu is the whole "i am who i am because of who we all are" philosophy
[01:39] <liam> piglation is so easy to understand
[01:39] <DAC1138> that defines linux right there....ubuntu
[01:39] <bubbannga> i just wish there was a dvdbackup program like dvdxcopy for linux then id be happy
[01:39] <tritium> liam, I'm serious.  I don't even use X
[01:39] <tritium> XP
[01:39] <liam> do you have it?
[01:39] <hybrid> lol
[01:39] <tritium> liam, yeah
[01:40] <bubbannga> but i have to do vobcopy mkiso and then dvdshrink in vmware then burn with k3b
[01:40] <hybrid> it sux tritium
[01:40] <liam> ok
[01:40] <liam> lol
[01:40] <Wolven> Danila, that's not what I meant. =) try to install it without the network first, then setup the network
[01:40] <tritium> liam, but I wiped it off the drive
[01:40] <tritium> hybrid, what does?
[01:40] <Menaherann> tritium: i'm lost  here...
[01:40] <hybrid> xp
[01:40] <tritium> ah
[01:40] <null> hmm whats the link for the weekly dvd iso ?
[01:40] <DAC1138> how do i install themes for gnome? metacity themes
[01:41] <liam> tritium.. i don't need to format my hardrive before installing linux do i? can i just install ubuntu over windows xp(but removing it you, know?)
[01:41] <null> dont seem to find the iso image there any ideas where to get it ?
[01:41] <bubbannga> blockbuster.com?
[01:41] <liam> no...
[01:41] <liam> blockblister!
[01:41] <tritium> liam, yes, you can install over it
[01:41] <bubbannga> them bastards man tried to make me buy the dvds
[01:41] <bubbannga> cause i was late
[01:41] <Anubis> anyone here with hoary and Nvidia 6111?
[01:41] <Menaherann> lol
[01:41] <null> any ideas ?
[01:41] <liam> tritium and it will remove it, ok. does it make it pretty obvious when i want to do this?
[01:41] <tritium> Menaherann, lost?  What's up, buddy?
[01:42] <tritium> liam, yes.  Just be absolutely sure that you want to remove XP and loss ALL your data on that partition
[01:42] <tritium> lose
[01:42] <Menaherann> tritium: i typed what u said: eight lines... last 3 bearing the xfree86 things in the end
[01:42] <tritium> Menaherann, any that end in .log?
[01:42] <liam> i am gonna make a backup just in case
[01:42] <liam> tritium
[01:43] <Menaherann> tritium: all three
[01:43] <tritium> liam, in case you decide you want it back?
[01:43] <DAC1138> does anyone know where the metacity and gtk themes go?
[01:43] <felix_1> Hi, who is linux loader guru ? ( lost the boot infos ) Ubuntu install doesn't have a rescue ?
[01:43] <Menaherann> wait...
[01:43] <DAC1138> i cant get the install function to work in the "desktop theme" program
[01:43] <tritium> Menaherann, okay, we need to look at XFree86.0.log to look for the problem
[01:43] <Menaherann> how do i acces that, tritium?
[01:43] <Danila> Wolven. Do you mean install completely without network support? I really wanted to see if I'd like Ubuntu using the LiveCD. To install I'd need to resize partitions and that would take too much time...
[01:43] <null> any ideas on where to find dvd iso of ubuntu lates one ?
[01:44] <tritium> Menaherann, "less /var/log/XFree86.0.log"
[01:44] <Menaherann> that will be.... debian-installer?
[01:44] <Menaherann> type that rgith here?
[01:44] <tritium> Menaherann, that's what you see?
[01:44] <felix_1> null: Ubuntu iso is only 514 MB - no need for dvd iso
[01:44] <Wolven> Danila, sorry my bad... I thought you meant the installer CD
[01:45] <Menaherann> halleluyah!
[01:45] <Menaherann> ok,, i got it, tritium
[01:45] <Danila> Wolven. it's ok. But do you have any idea what could be causing the problem? (after setting up Networking preferences for the first time all applications stop launching)
[01:45] <felix_1> Please, I don;t feel like to re-install Ubuntu: Where can I find rescue to retrieve the boot ?
[01:45] <tritium> Next fall when I don't get my PhD for spending too much time in #ubuntu, you guys can all console me.
[01:46] <tritium> Menaherann, you see the error, or what?
[01:46] <Wolven> Danila, I have no idea.. Does your PC work proppery with another LiveCD like Knoppix ?
[01:46] <lightcap> tritium what're you studying?
[01:46] <null> tritium: whats da toppic ?
[01:46] <Wolven> propperly*
[01:46] <tritium> lightcap, EE
[01:47] <umarmung> DAC1138, gtk/metacity themes go to ~/.themes/NAMEOFYOURTHEME
[01:47] <tritium> null, my dissertation?
[01:47] <Danila> works with Knoppix mostly fine, but I don't think Knoppix works with Internet at all.
[01:47] <mpq> anyone know of a way to remove copy protection from songs downloaded off itunes?
[01:47] <null> well i am only getting started :-) well yeah
[01:47] <lightcap> mpq hymn
[01:47] <tritium> lightcap, how about you?
[01:47] <Wolven> Danila, You mean on your PC or in general?
[01:47] <tritium> null ?
[01:47] <`shane> time to go out drinking..budabudabump
[01:47] <null> whats lightcap ?
[01:47] <lightcap> tritium looking to go back...had a family first...
[01:48] <Danila> Wolven. Or may be it's just that I was too stupid to find out how to set it up there. On my PC I couldn't make Knoppix to work with Internet.
[01:48] <tritium> lightcap, what area?
[01:48] <DAC1138> umarmung, thats what i though, but so far only the window boarders are changing, not the application stuff, the controls
[01:48] <lightcap> PoliSci
[01:48] <tritium> cool
[01:48] <tritium> null, which topic were you referring to?
[01:48] <null> i meant ur research topic
[01:48] <felix_1> Please, I need something to retrive the boot loader! Seems Ubuntu doesn't have a rescue tool :-(
[01:48] <Danila> Wolven. Ubuntu, on the other hand, works (albeit the speed is apparently quite slow - subjectively).
[01:48] <lightcap> I'd like to teach-- some fusion of politics, technology and ecology...
[01:48] <Wolven> Danila, Knoppix works fine on the internet for me, but I need to modprobe my network card first
[01:49] <umarmung> DAC1138, i've seen some buggy behaviour of gnome-theme-manager. Themes don't change until a logout/login.
[01:49] <tritium> null, oh, radar detection, image processing, etc.
[01:49] <jdub> umarmung: that has recently been fixed
[01:49] <null> ahh kool, mine is wireless snsor networks
[01:49] <DAC1138> umarmung, ok, so i guess in need to logout and test it. thanks
[01:49] <jdub> umarmung: it was a troublesome gconf bug that has existed since 2000!
[01:49] <tritium> null, where are you?
[01:49] <null> aus
[01:49] <Menaherann> tritium: we are lokking for any line with the (EE) on it?
[01:49] <tritium> null, cool.  EE also?
[01:49] <umarmung> jdub, read about that. but i don't know if he uses hoary
[01:50] <tritium> Menaherann, yes
[01:50] <null> well fpga linux, n stuff :-) well yeah sort of ee :-)
[01:50] <tritium> Menaherann, right on, you're learning, dude
[01:50] <DAC1138> umarmung, so it would be like ~/.themes/alien/gtk   ???
[01:50] <null> tritium: where u?
[01:50] <felix_1> Am I read ??? please, help me!@
[01:50] <tritium> null, Purdue
[01:50] <DAC1138> umarmung, thats for a gtk application, not metacity
[01:51] <null> kool, so which yr are u ? finishing ssooon ?
[01:51] <umarmung> DAC1138, ..Alien/gtk-2.0 for most apps
[01:51] <tritium> null, did you finish your quals and prelims already?
[01:51] <Menaherann> ok...tritium we got contacts....
[01:51] <felix_1> hello?
[01:51] <marcin_ant> hmmm still no news about website contest...
[01:51] <Wolven> felix_1, we can read you fine. but it looks like noone knows the answer to your question
[01:51] <null> hmm n whats quals n prelims ?
[01:51] <null> just finished my bachelors,
[01:51] <tritium> null, I'm done with courses, finished my quals and prelims.  I should be done in August, provided I don't screw around with ubuntu all day for the next 6 months
[01:51] <marcin_ant> jdub: around?
[01:52] <felix_1> That means no one knows if there is a rescue for Ubuntu ???
[01:52] <DAC1138> brb
[01:52] <jdub> marcin_ant: yes
[01:52] <null> hehe lol, well almost da same here with me on mandrake
[01:52] <Menaherann> ok...tritium we got contacts....
[01:52] <Wolven> felix_1, try to describe you problem a bit more.
[01:52] <null> heh
[01:52] <lightcap> felix_1 I think we're just not sure what exactly you need, you can use any linux rescue
[01:52] <tritium> null, quals = brutally difficult exams (50% failure rate, 3 chances and you're out)
[01:52] <marcin_ant> jdub: hard question for you :)
[01:52] <tritium> null, prelims are like a dry-run of your oral defense
[01:52] <Anubis> is there a way to use an old nvidia ubuntu module? nvidia 6111?
[01:52] <tritium> Menaherann, let me hea rit
[01:52] <tritium> hear it
[01:52] <marcin_ant> jdub: what about website contest - still no news?
[01:52] <null> ahh dont remind me off all that shit now lol tritium
[01:52] <null> :-)
[01:53] <jdub> marcin_ant: no, soon, and please don't ask every day
[01:53] <tritium> null, you're through that, or is it upcoming?
[01:53] <null> well i just started like 2 months ago,
[01:53] <marcin_ant> jdub: I don't ! :)
[01:53] <tritium> null, good luck!
[01:53] <marcin_ant> jdub: maybe others :)
[01:53] <null> thx tritium
[01:53] <imi> hi
[01:53] <tritium> Anubis, why?
[01:53] <marcin_ant> jdub: in fact we have small community of submitters here :)
[01:53] <tritium> Anubis, can't you use the newer ones?
[01:53] <DAC1138> themes worked, colors are out though i cant see what im typing
[01:53] <imi> i'm looking for real life experiences with ubuntu on 800mhz and 256mb ram
[01:54] <felix_1> Simple: Had to re-install WinXP ( yes dual boot ) bootsector re-created by win. no more linux loader...
[01:54] <imi> anyone with specs close or below that?
[01:54] <null> oh yeah tritium hmm whats da latest ubuntu live cd iso?
[01:54] <Anubis> yes I can
[01:54] <Anubis> and don't want to
[01:54] <tritium> null, the daily build?
[01:54] <Anubis> hence the query
[01:54] <jdub> imi: 256MB RAM will be okay, the CPU speed doesn't really matter much
[01:54] <tritium> Anubis, I'll miss your reply if you don't use my nick
[01:54] <marcin_ant> jdub: I have seen some works already and I'm just curious about others - anyway I have another question for you
[01:55] <null> tritium: hmm daily build good enuff to try ?
[01:55] <imi> jdub cool, that's what i thought. is it true in general that cpu is question nr2 with gnu/linux?
[01:55] <Anubis> tritium, do you know how do do this, or are you just curious?
[01:55] <tritium> null, I haven't used it, so I can't really say
[01:55] <jdub> imi: i don't understand your question
[01:55] <null> ahhokies thanx, tritium well i better get back to da shit i was reading heh
[01:55] <tritium> Anubis, well, it should be possible.  It's likely still in your package cache
[01:55] <Menaherann> three errors: synaptics touchpadno synaptic touchpad detected and no repeater found        Synaptics touchpad unable to query/intialize Synaptics hardware     and     Prelnit failed for input device synaptics tuochpad
[01:55] <lexhider> Is it something my end, or is ubuntu bugzilla really, really, really slow?
[01:55] <magnon> imi: it'll work fine, I had 256 mb ram for a while on my p400 mhz. It did turn a bid chuggy when using evolution + openoffice, and after starting to do a lot of image editing I upgraded to 512MB and I'm doing fine with that. It's not great though - but for general usage 256mb is fine
[01:55] <tritium> null, what are you reading?
[01:55] <marcin_ant> jdub: there is something about "Improved Panel" on this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals page
[01:55] <Wolven> Anubis, withch version do you get if you sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx ?
[01:56] <Anubis> Wolven, the latest version ofcourse
[01:56] <magnon> and that about the cpu speed - I have a fast disk and enough ram, so it doesn't affect me much if I'm not doing imagery or other things that require a snappy cpu. Most daily things don't.
[01:56] <jdub> marcin_ant: it is very hard to explain, and not happening for hoary
[01:56] <tritium> Anubis, is the old version in /var/cache/apt/archives?
[01:56] <magnon> jdub: something like what's davyd planning, or?
[01:56] <imi> jdub i mean that having enough ram is more important that a strong cpu(?)
[01:56] <jdub> magnon: not entirely
[01:56] <Menaherann> tritium: three errors: synaptics touchpad no synaptic touchpad detected and no repeater found        Synaptics touchpad unable to query/intialize Synaptics hardware     and     Prelnit failed for input device synaptics tuochpad
[01:56] <jdub> imi: yes, much more
[01:57] <Anubis> tritium, how would I be able to tell?
[01:57] <jdub> imi: CPUs are way overpowered for any standard desktop OS these days
[01:57] <null> tritium: well network layer analysis for lowpowr multihop
[01:57] <jdub> imi: you only really need a fast CPU for games, graphics, maths, etc.
[01:57] <KeroSSen> HeLLo
[01:57] <tritium> Anubis, list the directory contents and look for the file you wnat
[01:57] <imi> magnon, i'm currently running ubuntu with 256 megs of ram on an athlon xp 1400 and it's good.
[01:57] <tritium> want
[01:57] <tritium> null, oh, okay.
[01:57] <imi> jdub, things i don't use :)
[01:57] <tritium> Menaherann, okay...
[01:57] <KeroSSen> i HaVe a TRouBLeS WiTH MY DoWNLoaDeD CD uBuNTu iSTRiBuTioN
[01:58] <l00p> I just installed ubuntu for the first time. I like it. nice job
[01:58] <KeroSSen> :(
[01:58] <Menaherann> nestm tritium?
[01:58] <tritium> Menaherann, can you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86?
[01:58] <KeroSSen> SoMe oNe aN HeLP Me :D
[01:58] <Menaherann> don't know: can u guide me?
[01:58] <Anubis> tritium, LOL, there is a better way this much I know
[01:58] <imi> i've been playing with the idea of installing gentoo on my ibm t23, but i think i'll stay with ubuntu. just got it on ebay, so im selling my 2 pc's and my ancient laptop so i can pay it LOL
[01:58] <marcin_ant> imi: I have hoary on machine with 64MB ram and it's almost unusable
[01:58] <marcin_ant> imi: while I have on another with 512 and it rocks
[01:58] <tritium> Anubis, better way than installing the package you want?
[01:59] <Anubis> lol
[01:59] <tritium> Anubis, and that you've already downloaded?
[01:59] <KeroSSen> HeLLo
[01:59] <KeroSSen> SoMe BoDY
[01:59] <marcin_ant> imi: celeron 633 on first machine and PIII 500 on second
[01:59] <liquidboy> im trying to set up my modem under ubuntu. in windows, it says it's under "pci slot 1" which com port is that? - im trying to use the "pppconfig" utility from the terminal
[01:59] <tritium> Anubis, it's there in your package cache.
[01:59] <imi> marcin_ant, yay that sounds insane. i run vector on my old laptop (233mhz 64 ram)
[01:59] <imi> icewm rulz on old iron
[02:00] <tritium> Anubis, it doens't get any easier than already having what you need
[02:00] <surrounder> xfce!
[02:00] <goldfish> can u apt-get xfce?
[02:00] <imi> xfce is not really usable with 64mb ram
[02:00] <KeroSSen> WHY DiDN'T BooT FRooM CD
[02:00] <Menaherann> tritium: don't know: can u guide me?
[02:00] <KeroSSen> :S
[02:00] <surrounder> KeroSSen: type normally please
[02:00] <tritium> KeroSSen, is your bios set up to boot from CD?
[02:00] <magnon> jdub: you should be at the guadec panel bof then :)
[02:00] <KeroSSen> yeah
[02:00] <Anubis> tritium, dude its not there
[02:01] <bubbannga> whats he command to play a file back in irc isn't it /play?
[02:01] <marcin_ant> imi: I just wanted to do something really fast - I'm lazy and wanted to use GUI to configure firewall and diald
[02:01] <tritium> Menaherann, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"
[02:01] <KeroSSen> its boot from cd on bios
[02:01] <marcin_ant> imi: so, I only had machine with 64 MB - ideal for firewall/router
[02:01] <KeroSSen> i download my ubuntu copy from web iso
[02:01] <Anubis> why did they remove the tabs from synaptic?
[02:01] <tritium> Anubis, it might not still be in the archive.  Try apt-get install with packagename=version
[02:01] <Menaherann> tritium: do i have to get out of this.... menu-file-list?
[02:01] <marcin_ant> imi: but definetly not on ubuntu :(
[02:01] <tritium> Anubis, where version is the version you want
[02:01] <KeroSSen> but dosnt have a boot file  i didnt reognize anything about
[02:02] <magnon> KeroSSen: burned it from Windows?
[02:02] <KeroSSen> yea
[02:02] <marcin_ant> imi: or maybe on ubuntu but of course without X... so in fact just on debian
[02:02] <magnon> I think you might be able to screw up the bootable parts of the cd when burning in windows
[02:02] <magnon> but don't take my word for that
[02:02] <surrounder> indeed
[02:02] <KeroSSen> i uncompress alll files from rar file but...osent.works :(
[02:03] <tritium> Menaherann, are you still looking at the log file?
[02:03] <Anubis> tritium, you don't have a clue what your talking about do you?;)
[02:03] <Menaherann> yep
----you think i lost come files ?
[02:03] <Menaherann> tritium: yep
[02:03] <tritium> Anubis, dude, wtf?
[02:03] <magnon> KeroSSen: RAR file?
[02:03] <KeroSSen> some , sorry
[02:03] <magnon> where'd you get a rar file
[02:03] <marcin_ant> jdub: ok - I'll wait for more concrete plans about panel improvements - thanks
[02:03] <tritium> Anubis, I'm trying to help you, and you treat me like that?
[02:04] <KeroSSen> the web link
[02:04] <Anubis> like what
[02:04] <Anubis> I asked you a simple question
[02:04] <tritium> Anubis, insulting me
[02:04] <Anubis> because it seems your help consists of wild guesses
[02:04] <magnon> KeroSSen: ubuntu isn't downloadable as a rar file
[02:04] <tritium> Anubis, bullshit
[02:04] <Anubis> you insult too easily then
[02:04] <KeroSSen> well i have that file :S
[02:04] <KeroSSen> let me see
[02:04] <Anubis> you at you using profanity and whatnot
[02:05] <Anubis> if you can't or no longer want to help me fine
[02:05] <Anubis> its cool
[02:05] <Anubis> relax
[02:05] <Menaherann> tritium: yep, i;m stll looking at the logs
[02:05] <magnon> Anubis, tritium, I think this is a little off topic. Want to take it privately? There's enough traffic here already
[02:05] <tritium> Menaherann, hit Esc
[02:06] <magnon> KeroSSen: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso is what you want
[02:06] <KeroSSen> warty-release-install-i386.......that's my ubuntu file from web
[02:06] <Menaherann> tritium.. ok nothing is happenning
[02:06] <tritium> Menaherann, what are you using to view it?
[02:06] <tritium> Menaherann, less?  hit "q"
[02:06] <KeroSSen> yeah that one
[02:06] <magnon> KeroSSen: that's not a rar file though
[02:06] <Menaherann> tritium.. ok i'm in var/log
[02:06] <magnon> KeroSSen: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BurningIsoHowto
[02:07] <KeroSSen> then,,,,my  get manager cause a error?
[02:07] <Wolven> KeroSSen, there is no need to extract the ISO file eventhough Winrar can. just burn it with your burner software as it is
[02:07] <tritium> Menaherann, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"
 KeroSSen, there is no need to extract the ISO file eventhough Winrar can. just burn it with your burner software as it is-----yeah i see naw
[02:08] <KeroSSen> now :(
[02:08] <Menaherann> tritium.. hoorah! i'm in....
[02:08] <tritium> magnon, tell it to him, not me.  I'm busy helping people.
[02:08] <tritium> Menaherann, great.
[02:09] <tritium> Menaherann, make sure that no synaptics touchpad is configured.
[02:09] <Menaherann> \menaherann is having fun
[02:09] <Menaherann> tritium: how?
[02:09] <Menaherann> looking for the driver?
[02:09] <tritium> Menaherann, as we walk through configuring your xserver
[02:09] <magnon> tritium: I'm not trying to take sides, just objectively pointing it out
[02:10] <tritium> magnon, just leave it alone
[02:10] <magnon> That's what I asked for, so fine.
[02:10] <tritium> thanks
[02:10] <Menaherann> looking for th
[02:10] <Menaherann> sorry
[02:10] <magnon> likewise.
[02:11] <Menaherann> tritium:  select the desired x server driver
[02:11] <tritium> Menaherann, most options should already be setup correctly.
[02:11] <tritium> Menaherann, so it's safe to keep most of the selected options.
[02:12] <Menaherann> well i think i moved it by accident
[02:12] <tritium> Menaherann, what card do you have?
[02:12] <Menaherann> so how can i fix it?
[02:12] <Silesian> hi i've tried to configure kernel under ubuntu, unfortunetally i cannot menuconfig, xconfig and gconfig return unresolved dependencies... is there qny quick solution for that ?
[02:12] <Menaherann> hmmmm........ don't know
[02:12] <tritium> Silesian, you'll need to install those dependencies, if you really want to build a custom kernel.
[02:12] <Menaherann> tritium: let me find out in the toshiba website,
[02:12] <surrounder> a
[02:13] <Silesian> tritium; i cannot access net from ubuntu
[02:14] <tritium> Silesian, e.g. libncurses5-dev for make menuconfig
[02:14] <tritium> Silesian, how critical is it that you build a custom kernel?
[02:14] <tritium> Menaherann, can you Ctrl-C out of the configuration?
[02:14] <Silesian> tritium; critical i need to configure it in order to get net working
[02:14] <tritium> Silesian, really?
[02:14] <Menaherann> tritium: got it s3virge
[02:14] <tritium> Silesian, wireless?
[02:15] <Silesian> tritium; yes i have external usb adls modem
[02:15] <Silesian> adsl*
[02:15] <tritium> Silesian, oh, I see.
[02:15] <KeroSSen> ok last question about iso writr on CD
[02:15] <tritium> Silesian, so you have no access to package repositories?
[02:15] <Silesian> not really
[02:15] <KeroSSen> that iso file its just burned with compatible iso program?
[02:16] <Menaherann> tritium just ok my way through it?
[02:16] <Silesian> i'm downloading gtk+-2.0 and glib right now; but somehow i'm not looking forware do compile those
[02:16] <tritium> Menaherann, go for it, man! :)
[02:16] <KeroSSen> i have nero ...but i  dont know if  supports iso images
[02:16] <tritium> Silesian, if you just get libncurses5-dev, you'll be able to make menuconfig
[02:16] <magnon> KeroSSen: follow the url I gave you
[02:17] <tritium> Silesian, that's probably the easiest.
[02:17] <KeroSSen> ok....no more estupid questions
[02:17] <jblack> I'm having a problem with ubuntu. Whenever I unplug the laptop, the screen starts dimming (that's good). But later, when its plugged in, the screen dims whenever I use the computer, and after idling out (~1-2 min) the screen turns bright, dimming again each time I type.
[02:17] <tritium> liam, you're still here?
[02:17] <Silesian> is libncurses5-dev included as a package on 4.10 cd ?
[02:17] <KeroSSen> tks...Guey
[02:17] <jblack> Is this something somebody's dealt with directly, or do I need to hunt it down ?
[02:17] <tritium> laim, what's the word?
[02:17] <Menaherann> tritium: is asking me to imput the amount of memory to be used by the video card in Kb
[02:17] <magnon> jblack: sounds like a problem that _might_ be fixed in Hoary - if you're on Warty
[02:18] <tritium> Menaherann, leave it unset
[02:18] <jblack> I'm using hoary, though this problem dates back to at least warty
[02:18] <magnon> ok
[02:18] <magnon> jblack: I'm not competent to answer. Have you filed a bug
[02:18] <magnon> ?
[02:18] <jblack> actually, system install predates warty.
[02:18] <jblack> Nope, not yet.
[02:18] <Menaherann> tritium: use kernel framebuffer interface?
[02:18] <magnon> jblack: you should do that. It's easier to reach the right people that way
[02:19] <jblack> Not if they've already fixed it. :)
[02:19] <tritium> Menaherann, probably not
[02:19] <Menaherann> ok
[02:20] <magnon> jblack: then your bug will be closed and you'll get the solution ;)
[02:20] <jblack> magnon: That's a point.
[02:21] <liquidboy> i used the pppconfig utility, set it up right, typed itn "pon" it gave me "/usr/sbin/pppd in file /etc/ppp/peers/provider unrecognised option "dev/modem" does that mean i have to symbolicly link where my modem is to "/dev/modem" ?
[02:21] <magnon> that looks like a syntax error to me
[02:21] <Golfer> good evening boys and girls
[02:22] <tritium> Anubis, read the man page for apt-get, since you don't believe me.  To quote: " A specific version of a package can be selected for installation by following the package name with an equals and the version of the package to select"
[02:24] <Menaherann> tritium: is aking me is i want to emulate a three button mouyse?
[02:24] <Menaherann> mouse?>
[02:24] <liam> hey titanium
[02:24] <matteJ> I wonder if the warty release uses Xorg?
[02:24] <kerskine> howdy - does anyone know if an Thinkpad X22 uses APM or ACPI?
[02:24] <tritium> Menaherann, you probably do :)
[02:24] <tritium> liam, hey there buddy
[02:24] <liam> hey
[02:25] <tritium> matteJ, no, but Hoary does
[02:25] <liam> i was just backing up akk my stuff but i am gonna try to install it now.
[02:25] <matteJ> tritium, okay, can I download Hoary from somewhere?
[02:25] <liam> titanium you say that linux acpi=off is ok?
[02:25] <tritium> matteJ, there's a test install called array-4.  See the topic.  There are also daily builds
[02:26] <tritium> liam, if you need it, yes
[02:26] <matteJ> tritium: Okay, like Debian Sarge for example?
[02:26] <liam> damn i keep spelling it wrong tritanium lol
[02:26] <Menaherann> tritium: select the Xfree86 modules that should be loaded by default... and all of the are check up. go for it?
[02:26] <tritium> matteJ, sort of.  It's not an official release yet, so it's maybe alpha or beta at this point.
[02:27] <sladen> kerskine: Power Management support isn't really there in Warty, but ACPI is madly supported in Hoary
[02:27] <tritium> Menaherann, sounds okay.  Did you see anything re: synaptics in the configuration?
[02:27] <matteJ> tritium: What kernel do it use?
[02:27] <Menaherann> nope yet
[02:27] <tritium> matteJ, 2.6.10 right now
[02:27] <matteJ> Cool ;)
[02:27] <sladen> matteJ: Warty uses a version of XF86 with about 270,000 lines of extra patches.  Hoary uses Xorg
[02:27] <liam> tritium, i need acpi off to run it i think. so it should be fine should it not?
[02:28] <liam> tritium i just don't want to screw up anything
[02:28] <tritium> liam, yep
[02:28] <liam> tritium thanks
[02:28] <tritium> liam, no, it won't
[02:28] <sladen> liam: acpi=off isn't a 'solution', it a workaround.  what's the problem you have?
[02:28] <liam> hopefully i will be back on in half an hour with linux!
[02:28] <trollied> hi
[02:28] <matteJ> tritium: Is it many diffrenceses about Ubuntu and Debian?
[02:29] <liam> sladen, i don't know, the setup just stopped and when i changed that it worked....
[02:29] <tritium> matteJ, it's very similar.
[02:29] <Menaherann> ok..tritium: what about screen resolution?
[02:29] <trollied> is it possible to upgrade to hoary from warty ? (i'm not a Debianite :)
[02:29] <sladen> matteJ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship
[02:29] <sladen> trollied: yes!!!
[02:29] <matteJ> sladen: okay,
[02:29] <Golfer> trollied yes
[02:29] <liam> sladen, did you hear me?
[02:29] <matteJ> Then I don't should start a war to get xorg working in debian ;)
[02:30] <liam> ok bye tritium gonna try it lol
[02:30] <Menaherann> ok..tritium: what about screen resolution?
[02:30] <sladen> matteJ: nope, just install Ubuntu
[02:30] <tritium> liam, see you soon
[02:30] <liam> bye
[02:30] <sladen> liam: remind me in 1 line what problem you have
[02:30] <trollied> by that i mean "it is possible by using apt-get or whatever, rather than downloading the ISO"
[02:30] <jblack> Heya sladen
[02:31] <sladen> trollied: yes.  You only need to install Ubuntu once
[02:31] <jblack> still haven't signed my key. :)
[02:31] <tritium> Menaherann, leave what's already selected for now, unless you know what your hardware will support.
[02:31] <sladen> jblack: oh gah gah.  is this another channel I can't hide in :)
[02:31] <jblack> Hey, if you don't want to do it, that's fine by me!
[02:32] <sladen> jblack: cunning reverse psycology there!
[02:32] <Menaherann> well is telling to select wich one should the system use... and that the system will use the best possible
[02:32] <matteJ> How does Ubuntu works with apt?
[02:33] <jblack> mattej: Just fine. apt-get works, aptitude works... even dselect is there. ;)
[02:33] <saboten> I'm looking for a way to install ubuntu on my old iMac without cd-drive, would it be possible to clone the installation cd as a partition and boot from it? (im a total linux beginner) >_>
[02:33] <Menaherann> a
[02:33] <matteJ> jblack: But I must have ubuntu deb files?
[02:33] <Menaherann> tritium: well is telling to select wich one should the system use... and that the system will use the best possible
[02:33] <kerskine> sladen: thanks
[02:33] <Anubis> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10416&highlight=6111
[02:34] <jblack> saboten: Should be doable if you know what you're doing. But you really can't borrow a usb cdrom from somebody?
[02:34] <jblack> mattej: You're supposed to, yes. Debian packages tend to generally work, but if it breaks, you get both pieces.
[02:34] <tritium> Menaherann, it's up to you.
[02:34] <saboten> jblack: sounds like a better plan :)
[02:35] <Menaherann> tritium, yep but i don't know which is the one that the system will be able to take@
[02:35] <matteJ> I will give Ubuntu a try
[02:35] <tritium> Menaherann, 640x480 is safe to try.
[02:35] <liam> tritium
[02:35] <tritium> liam, yo
[02:35] <jblack> mattej: great news!
[02:35] <trollied> thanks all - updating now. *fingers crossed*
[02:35] <liam> tritium it stopped again, after it asked me what my language was and where i lived it stopped at a blue screen
[02:36] <jblack> sladen: Hey, do you know who the laptop suspend guy is?
[02:36] <matteJ> I will even run it on a laptop :P
[02:36] <sladen> saboten: You should be able to netboot the iMac's
[02:36] <tritium> liam, then it sounds like acpi was not the problem
[02:36] <liam> tritium  do you have any other suggestions?
[02:36] <jblack> Oh, is netbooting working now? That wasn't working well back in november.
[02:36] <tritium> liam, let's ask sladen
[02:36] <saboten> sladen: netboot? dont a need another computer running debian for that?
[02:36] <liam> tritium, ok
[02:37] <liam> sladen, do you know what's wrong? the install of ubuntu warty stops at acpi:subsystem revision 20040816
[02:37] <sladen> liam: aaaah. interesting. Is the machine hot at all.  ACPI means the OS is responsible for things like controlling the fans
[02:38] <liam> sladen, it is a laptop
[02:38] <sladen> liam: it could be a buggy DSDT, do we know what Make + Model of laptop?
[02:38] <liam> sladen, so could that be stopping it? it is just hot?
[02:38] <saboten> jblack: do usb cd-drives usually work without installing drivers?
[02:38] <sladen> liam: I just assume laptop :)  It's what everyone develops on
[02:38] <liam> it is a hewlett packard pavilion n5415
[02:38] <liam> ok
[02:39] <jblack> liam: That can be, yes. If ACPI tells the kernel that the machine is about to melt down, the kernel will halt the machine.
[02:39] <liam> jblack and sladen, it isn't that hot just warm
[02:39] <mpq> I need help from someone familiar with dual booting
[02:39] <tritium> mpq, what's happening?
[02:39] <jblack> liam: The processor temp, not the "on the outside surface of the laptop" temp.
[02:40] <mpq> I want to have both windows and ubuntu on my computer
[02:40] <mpq> but I don't know how to do it
[02:40] <liam> jblack, ok
[02:40] <goldfish> mpq: install windows then ubuntu
[02:40] <jdub> mpq: install windows first, use only the amount of space you need
[02:40] <goldfish> u can dual boot
[02:40] <jdub> mpq: then install ubuntu in the free space
[02:40] <jblack> saboten: Usually, yes. The bios is another case. I'm not sure if the bios in macs knows how to boot from usb cd, but you can try.
[02:40] <liam> jblack so how would i fix thi
[02:40] <liam> this*
[02:40] <jblack> If the bios can do it, then ubuntu can install with it.
[02:40] <mpq> don't I need to partition first?
[02:41] <jblack> liam: I just reread what you said. I gave you a red herring.
[02:41] <mpq> when I installed ubuntu it had to format the hard drive to change the filesystem
[02:41] <liam> jblack, what the hell is that hahaha?
[02:41] <sladen> liam: is there anyway you can get the DSDT (ACPI table) from the machine.  Normally in /proc/dsdt
[02:41] <goldfish> did u not partition?
[02:41] <jblack> liam: A goose chase.
[02:41] <mpq> I don't know how to partition
[02:42] <trollied> jblack: You should see my X running at 1920x1200 :-)
[02:42] <jblack> liam: Is there any way that you can get to a bash prompt?
[02:42] <liam> jblack, ok i am confused! my mind is still developing! ok how would i correct this problem, or is there multiple problems?
[02:42] <jblack> trollied: I'm not impressed. Mine is 3320x1200
[02:42] <liam> jblack, bash prompt?
[02:42] <jblack> liam: A command prompt
[02:42] <trollied> on a laptop?
[02:43] <sladen> liam: did you mean  N5415 ?
[02:43] <jblack> Yes.
[02:43] <liam> jblack, i can get to a command prompt right now
[02:43] <trollied> dual-head?
[02:43] <jblack> liam: Ok. do that, and do a ls /proc/dsdt.
[02:43] <liam> sladen, yes did i not say that? or was it a typo?
[02:43] <sladen> liam: sorry, read it as 'u5415
[02:43] <liam> sladen, i said n5415 :)
[02:43] <jblack> trollied: Thats with dual-heading, of course. ;)
[02:44] <liam> sladen, ohh lol it's ok :)
[02:44] <liam> jblack, man i don't know much about comps, what is that?
[02:44] <trollied> heh
[02:44] <jblack> liam: That means I hook a monitor up to my laptop, and extend my screen onto that extra monitor.
[02:45] <Menaherann> tritium, ok... now i;m back to the console
[02:45] <tritium> Menaherann, okay.
[02:45] <tritium> Menaherann, it went well?
[02:45] <Menaherann> tritium: what do i do now?
[02:46] <liam> my monitore is 1024X768 and my other monitor for my computer is smaller... it is really old we are to cheap to buy a new one :)
[02:46] <tritium> Menaherann, try restarting gdm with "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[02:46] <liam> directed at jblack
[02:46] <Menaherann> tirtium: from here?
[02:46] <tritium> here being the command prompt
[02:46] <jblack> liam: That's plenty for most people.
[02:47] <Menaherann> here being menaherann@ubuntu: /var/log $
[02:47] <liam> jblack which is plenty? the 1024x768? or my other crappy monitor that is 800x600 and 13 inches?
[02:47] <jblack> The former.
[02:48] <sladen> liam: ping  keybuk  and  mjg59  with this one, they know something more about the HP n5415 and ACPI problems.  There's a page: http://sdas.eu.org/~gibas/n5415/ but only mentioning ACPI.  "<liam > sladen, do you know what's wrong? the install of ubuntu warty stops at acpi:subsystem revision 20040816"
[02:48] <Menaherann> tritium: here being menaherann@ubuntu: /var/log $
[02:48] <tritium> Menaherann, that's fine.
[02:48] <sladen> tritium/liam: /proc/acpi/dsdt
[02:48] <tritium> Menaherann, we could double-check your /etc/XF86Config-4 first if you want
[02:48] <liam> jblack ,ok lol...
[02:48] <jblack> tritium: sorry, /proc/acpi/dsdt
[02:49] <trollied> must admit i'm impressed - the wireless worked straight away - FC3 just died horribly
[02:49] <liam> sladen i type that into command prompt?
[02:49] <tritium> sladen, thanks.  It's there.
[02:49] <liam> sladen, i don't know how to ping people or anything
[02:49] <Menaherann> tritium: now log in and.......????????????????????????
[02:49] <restrex> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6433
[02:49] <tritium> Menaherann, you see a login screen now?
[02:50] <Menaherann> tritium; i always SAW the login screen
[02:50] <Menaherann> after that is the problem...
[02:50] <tritium> Menaherann, and you're still having the same problem?
[02:51] <Menaherann> yep....
[02:51] <sladen> liam: does that 'file' exist.  Can you   sudo cat /proc/acpi/dsdt > liam-n5415.dsdt   and submit a bug to  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/  CC'ed to  ubuntu@paul.sladen.org
[02:51] <tritium> Menaherann, let's look in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 then
[02:51] <Menaherann> ok... guide me, going ot console?
[02:52] <liam> sladen, very sorry but i havn't the slightest clue of what you are talking about... i know what the bugzilla thing is but the sudo cat thing?
[02:52] <tritium> Menaherann, can you "cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | grep synaptics"?
[02:52] <Menaherann> tritum: ok... so go to console and type that?
[02:52] <tritium> yes
[02:54] <restrex> Hi guyz. I installed hoary and I mounted a windows partition on /media/windows but the jimmac's hd icon it's not appearing at Desktop and Computer places. A friend had the same problem connecting his pendrive on his laptop. On warty that works well, but I don't know why on Hoary it's not working. some people have had the same problem... any ideas???
[02:54] <Menaherann> tritium it said: driver "synaptics"
[02:54] <Menaherann> and return to the command prompt
[02:54] <liam> sladen, did you hear?
[02:54] <tritium> Menaherann, right
[02:55] <tritium> Menaherann, I see the same error message in my log files.
[02:55] <tritium> Menaherann, you don't have any other error messages?
[02:55] <hybrid> can someone on hoary type uname -a in the terminal and tell me wht you get
[02:55] <Golfer> hybrid what do you get
[02:56] <Menaherann> tritium: on the big list that you told me to check up, i didn't see anything more than what i told you.
[02:56] <hybrid> Linux Hybrid 2.6.8.1-3-powerpc #1 Thu Nov 18 13:59:38 UTC 2004 ppc GNU/Linux
[02:56] <marcin_ant> hi, I would like to use MiscFixed fonts on some apps
[02:56] <Golfer> 2.6.10-3-686 #1 Mon Feb 7 16:28:46 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:56] <Anubis> kernel-image-2.6-k7:
[02:56] <Anubis>  Depends: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7  but it is not installable
[02:56] <marcin_ant> but this font is not available in any gnomified font's list - but is installed in system
[02:56] <Menaherann> tritium: wanna check agian
[02:56] <tritium> Menaherann, well, my only thought at this point is to see if commenting out the section loading the synaptics driver solves the problem
[02:56] <Menaherann> ?
[02:57] <sladen> liam: The DSDT contains informatino passed from the BIOS/ACPI to Linux.  This configuration file is frequently buggy.  I can have a look at that file and see if there are errors if you can upload it.  'sudo' == perform as root, 'cat' take the contents of this file, '> filename' put them into this file.
[02:57] <marcin_ant> what could I do to select this font in gnome apps?
[02:57] <sladen> marcin_ant: Computer -> Settings
[02:57] <Menaherann> tritum: don't follow...[what's the synaptic drver anyway?] 
[02:58] <Arthur> hi there, guys..
[02:58] <Arthur> how are you?
[02:58] <hybrid> ok i changed source.list then apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade but i still got hoary
[02:58] <tritium> Menaherann, a touchpad on laptops
[02:58] <Golfer> hello Arthur
[02:58] <Arthur> I have an issue..
[02:58] <Menaherann> ok... but this doent have a touch pad!!!!!!!!!
[02:59] <Golfer> hybrid hoary is the latest
[02:59] <Arthur> Im trying to install madwifi drivers on my toshiba laptop..
[02:59] <goldfish> I hope it's not an issue of a gay hardcore magazine
[02:59] <hybrid> i kno
[02:59] <Arthur> Ive downloaded the latest cvs snapshot..
[02:59] <marcin_ant> sladen: yeah right... and????
[02:59] <tritium> Menaherann, that may be the problem, then.
[02:59] <Arthur> and built it..
[02:59] <Arthur> with make and make install
[02:59] <Menaherann> tritium: nah?
[02:59] <liam> sladen, i don't know if this is stupid or not but i am using windows ATM how would i go about doing this. i know this must be very annoying for you having to explain but i am trying my best :)
[03:00] <Arthur> when I run modprobe ath_hal (one of the drivers) there is a message:
[03:00] <Arthur> ath_hal: version magic 2.6.10-gentoo-r7 preempt PENTIUM4 REGPARM 4KSTACKS gcc-3.4 should be 2.6.10-gentoo-r7 preempt PENTIUM4 REGPARM 4KSTACKS gcc-3.3
[03:00] <Golfer> hybrid sorry you said you still got hoary, so i assumed you were trying to get something newer
[03:00] <Arthur> do you know how can I change the gcc flag?
[03:00] <Crane> hello
[03:00] <Anubis>  Depends: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7  but it is not installable
[03:00] <hybrid> oo srry
[03:00] <toothe> i having trouble, with install
[03:00] <Anubis> whats that?
[03:00] <hybrid> i meant i can get hoary
[03:00] <sladen> marcin_ant: Is 'MiscFixed' a bitmap (non-scalable) font.  I think they might be disabled
[03:01] <Menaherann> tritium: here: http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/su/su_sc_outFrm.jsp?moid=1073769659&ct=DS&soid=638080&BV_SessionID=@@@@0462334471.1108084400@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccfadddklhhldgcgfkceghdgngdgmm.0
[03:01] <hybrid> i have done all that but still aint got it
[03:01] <toothe> it gets to grub says please wait then nothing
[03:01] <Crane> helllo
[03:01] <marcin_ant> sladen: so, is there something I can do to enable these fonts?
[03:01] <tritium> Menaherann, no touchpad at all?
[03:01] <Menaherann> tritium: will these be useful?
[03:02] <tritium> Menaherann, well, I don't really have time to go through that now.
[03:02] <mikeycooper> ogra: are you responsible for the new xscreensaver prettiness?
[03:02] <marcin_ant> sladen: this is exactly what I need - non-scalable font to use with eclipse
[03:02] <Menaherann> nope... joystick=like cursor and two buttons
[03:02] <tritium> daniels ?
[03:02] <liam> sladen,did you miss my post, don't want to get you mad.
[03:03] <toothe> says grun loading please wait
[03:03] <toothe> but nuthn
[03:03] <tritium> Menaherann, only thing I can think of is that possible loading the synaptics driver is causing you trouble.
[03:04] <tritium> Menaherann, "sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4"
[03:04] <hybrid> where is sources.list located
[03:04] <tritium> hybrid, /etc/apt
[03:04] <Menaherann> tritium: on it!
[03:04] <marcin_ant> sladen: do you know where they are disabled?
[03:05] <tritium> Menaherann, down a ways there's a Section "InputDevice" for the synaptics pad
[03:05] <hybrid> thnx tritium
[03:05] <tritium> sure ;)
[03:05] <sladen> liam: which post do you believe I've missed.
[03:05] <Bandit> hybrid check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:05] <tritium> Menaherann, putting a "#" in front of every line in that section will comment it out.
[03:05] <sladen> liam: I'm going to Google for  http://www.google.com/search?q=windows+dsdt+tool
[03:06] <Menaherann> tritium: ok... hold on
[03:06] <Menaherann> tritium: I'm at GNU nano 1.2.3
[03:07] <hybrid> do i have to edit this to hoary?
[03:07] <Menaherann> tritium: i have 12 options below:
[03:07] <tritium> Menaherann, and you see the config file?
[03:07] <hybrid> where is says cd _warty warthog_
[03:08] <AlohaWolf> where do I get a live CD copy have Hoary?
[03:08] <Menaherann> tritium: black screen with: 12 opt.. none regarding config.
[03:08] <tritium> Menaherann, you did "sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4"?
[03:08] <Menaherann> tritium u mean ^C cur Pos
[03:09] <sladen> liam: can you try hunting for a windows utility
[03:09] <Menaherann> yes, tritium and it prompt me with pass and took me to this!!!
[03:09] <hybrid> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview powerpc  do i have to change warty warthog to hoary hedgehog
[03:09] <ogra> mikeycooper: yup
[03:09] <Menaherann> trituim... oooops i think i misstyped it
[03:10] <tritium> Menaherann, I think so.
[03:10] <Menaherann> i put one two many X
[03:10] <Menaherann> how can i get out?
[03:10] <tritium> Ctrl-X
[03:10] <Menaherann> and retyping.....
[03:11] <Menaherann> tritium: viola!!!!
[03:12] <Menaherann> we're here now!
[03:12] <tritium> Menaherann, editing the file?
[03:12] <Menaherann> hiow?
[03:12] <tritium> I thought you were doing that no.
[03:12] <tritium> now
[03:13] <Menaherann> tritium: what do i do now:
[03:14] <liam> sladen, ok. if you find any other help plz message me back.
[03:14] <Menaherann> ??????
[03:14] <tritium> Menaherann, are you editing the file?
[03:14] <Menaherann> how?
[03:14] <tritium> sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[03:14] <majskulan> does anyone know of a repository with xfce4.2 in it or would i be better off downloading the installer and doing it all manually?
[03:14] <sladen> liam: if you can get installed with  acpi=off  then you can probably investigate further
[03:14] <Menaherann> tritium: ok... tritium: i'm in there but now what?
[03:15] <chibifs> majskulan - Use benny's repository at os-works.com
[03:15] <tritium> Menaherann, comment out the synaptics driver section with
[03:15] <majskulan> thx
[03:15] <majskulan> thx chibifs
[03:16] <tritium> Menaherann, I need to go soon...
[03:17] <Menaherann> tritium: identifier synapptics touchpad?
[03:17] <Menaherann> or driver synaptics?
[03:17] <liam> sladen, it goes to the language screen, then where i live and then stops and leaves a blank blue screen but i can type stuff in
[03:18] <tritium> Menaherann, the entire section
[03:18] <tritium> from Section to EndSection
[03:18] <sladen> liam: what happens if you press  alt+f2
[03:19] <Menaherann> tritium: only in input devices?
[03:19] <liam> sladwn,during when?
[03:19] <tritium> Menaherann, one more line near the botton
[03:19] <tritium> bottom
[03:19] <tritium> Menaherann, in Section "ServerLayout"
[03:20] <Menaherann> tritium: all of it?
[03:20] <tritium> Menaherann, no, just the line with the synaptics input device
[03:21] <liam> sladen, during what time?
[03:21] <hybrid> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview powerpc  do i have to change warty warthog to hoary hedgehog
[03:21] <Menaherann> tritium: done.. now what?
[03:21] <Menaherann> reeboot?
[03:21] <tritium> no
[03:21] <Menaherann> tritium: restart gdm?
[03:21] <tritium> yes
[03:21] <sladen> liam: when it gets stuck.
[03:21] <Menaherann> how was it?
[03:21] <tritium> Menaherann, and if that doesn't work, I'm all out of ideas.
[03:22] <tritium> Menaherann, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[03:22] <Menaherann> save modifies buffer? yes
[03:22] <Menaherann> right?
[03:22] <tritium> yes
[03:23] <Menaherann> ok.....
[03:23] <liam> sladen, ok
[03:24] <Menaherann> tritium: hold..... it said i cannot start the xserver. it is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the x server output to diagnose the prob?
[03:24] <sladen> Menaherann: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:24] <tritium> sladen, we just did that
[03:25] <darmou> is anyone using ubuntu on ppc? (power pc)
[03:25] <sladen> hybrid: comment out whole CD line if you're regarding to Hoary
[03:25] <tritium> sladen, and since that didn't work, he edited the XF86Config-4, commenting out synptics driver, which appeared to be the problem
[03:25] <sladen> darmou: tonnes of people
[03:25] <darmou> I mean in this irc session:)
[03:26] <sladen> Menaherann: groovy.  Can you file a bug with copies of the X logs and what you had to do to get it to work
[03:26] <tritium> Menaherann, you only commented out the Synaptics section, and the one line at the end?
[03:26] <sladen> darmou: what is the problem/quesiton you want to ask?
[03:26] <Menaherann> i think i did it right!
[03:27] <darmou> I can't access the console, I get the boot up screen but when I try to go to console then I get a blank screen and have to shut down the machne remotly
[03:27] <tritium> Menaherann, do you have another mouse configured in that config file?
[03:28] <KeroSSen> SoMe oNe HaVe a CoMPaTiBLe MoDeM'S LiST?
[03:28] <darmou> I'm using an origonal radeon card
[03:28] <Menaherann> i had before another mouse there: an optical usb mosue connected via PS-2
[03:29] <Menaherann> but i;m pretty sure a took it of before instalation
[03:29] <Anubis> I can't install the 2.6.8 kernel in Hoary?
[03:31] <tritium> Menaherann, but what's configured?
[03:31] <mike998> KeroSSen: there seems to be a problem with your caps lock key
[03:31] <Menaherann> tritium: i cn tell right now: do we have to get ther eagian?
[03:31] <KeroSSen> oH FiNe
[03:31] <tritium> Menaherann, I need to get going.
[03:32] <mike998> nope... still seems to be a problem
[03:32] <KeroSSen> well.....a list ompatible modems?
[03:32] <Menaherann> tritium: np... you're a champ!
[03:32] <tritium> Menaherann, sorry.  If you're still having trouble tomorrow, let me know.
[03:32] <mike998> KeroSSen: There is a compatible hardware list on the Ubuntu website
[03:32] <Menaherann> om tritium!
[03:32] <KeroSSen> ok....let me check
[03:33] <tritium> Menaherann, good night, buddy, and good luck.
[03:33] <dhonn3> i want to send a patch
[03:33] <dhonn3> who do i talk to
[03:33] <Menaherann> tritium: 10-4 thx
[03:36] <dhonn> anyone know where i can submit my patches
[03:37] <KeroSSen> i dont found  the list :(
[03:38] <darmou> I was sort of hoping that other people might have come accross this video problem, seems not:(
[03:40] <dhonn> i would think that there are actually people here
[03:40] <dhonn> what video problem do you have?
[03:48] <Nekohayo> question: I'm a frequent photographer, is there a way / software which would automatically rename my files so that they do not overwrite in gnome? (some kind of auto album manager would be interesting)... asking this since I haven't seen one yet
[03:49] <id_ID> everybody, i have trouble for my webmin
[03:49] <Nekohayo> what's the problem?
[03:49] <id_ID> Nekayo, i install webmin via apt-get and now i can't login with the user
[03:50] <id_ID> how to add user to webmin..??
[03:50] <saboten> do I need any tools apart from the default ubuntu installation to compile apps from souce? because in OS X i would be required to install the separate developer tools
[03:50] <id_ID> i login with user root and the password but itn't work... :(
[03:50] <jdub> saboten: yes, but the tools are included on the cd
[03:50] <sladen> Nekohayo: there's lots of renaming you could do, can you give examples of before and afterwards.  I tend to just move photographs to a directory called 20050211-0250 so that each directory has a unique name
[03:50] <jdub> id_ID: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[03:51] <id_ID> jdub, yup i know, for that, and i was set a password for root...
[03:51] <Nekohayo> sladen, that makes a lots of dirs! I kinda like to have a maximum of 5 dirs per year (ex.: 2005-misc1, 2005-misc2, etc, each one holding more than 200 pics at least.. why make tons of dirs elseway? :P)
[03:51] <saboten> jdub: do i choose them during the installation or after the installation from the cd?
[03:52] <thully> saboten: install build-essential with apt-get and that will give you what you need
[03:52] <thully> just do sudo apt-get install build-essential at a command line
[03:52] <saboten> thanks
[03:53] <mikeycooper> ogra: i (heart) you
[03:53] <saboten> so I could possibly use these to install any (linux) application if i find the source?
[03:53] <id_ID> jdub, if i set password for root why it isn't work for webmin...??
[03:54] <saboten> regardless of distribution
[03:54] <mikeycooper> ogra: it looks sooo good, the old default graphics have always bugged me so much
[03:54] <mikeycooper> ogra: thankyou!
[03:54] <Nekohayo> sladen, in fact if I could solve this problem, I'd be using one directory per year maybe.. what would be cool is an app that allows you to "apply a filename template" to what you move in a specific dir
[03:56] <sladen> Nekohayo: so, anything dropped in would get a unique new number, completely deleting the name it had before?
[03:56] <Nekohayo> sladen, yes, why would I care for a DSCF03498273598723493.jpg :)?
[03:57] <Nekohayo> sladen, it would have a fixed string, then the number
[03:57] <sladen> Nekohayo: urm.  So what /would/ you care for?
[03:57] <shastry> hi all
[03:57] <shastry> does ubuntu offer kde and gnome integrated openoffice ?
[03:57] <Nekohayo> sladen, well in fact the only important thing is to not have the files overwrite (since the camera goes back to zero when data is deleted)... for example, the files could be named Ilovechocolate-$FILEID.jpg
[03:58] <sladen> shastry: gnome, yes
[03:58] <shastry> sladen: kde ?
[03:58] <sladen> shastry: I'm sure the kubuntu people will make sure the kde integration works too
[03:58] <shastry> o.o whats kubuntu ?
[03:58] <Nekohayo> is OOo2.0 to be released with hoary?
[03:58] <Xappe> damnit, noe i'm drunk
[03:59] <Xappe> *now
[03:59] <bborkk> Xappe: Time to code!
[03:59] <Xappe> hehe
[03:59] <sladen> Nekohayo: wait and find out!
[03:59] <shastry> is there anywhere i can search for ubuntu packages or something  ?
[04:00] <Xappe> bborkk, it's 4 am hre
[04:00] <saboten> 5 am here
[04:00] <Xappe> think i'll jusr keep on drinkin'
[04:00] <majskulan> 10pm here
[04:00] <bborkk> Xappe: Even better.  Plenty brain juice left.
[04:00] <Nekohayo> sladen, no problem :P anyhow, got some ideas about the filenames thingy?
[04:00] <sladen> Nekohayo: it's currently in universe according to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals
[04:01] <marcin_ant> sladen: your hint with /etc/fonts/local.conf is great
[04:01] <marcin_ant> sladen: thanks again
[04:01] <marcin_ant> sladen: works after reboot
[04:01] <sladen> shastry: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[04:01] <Xappe> bborkk, i'm not short on brain juice. it's everywhere
[04:01] <sladen> marcin_ant: you shouldn't need to reboot!
[04:01] <sladen> marcin_ant: did you try the (better) approach of   sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[04:02] <marcin_ant> sladen: maybe not full reboot - just restart xsession
[04:02] <sladen> Nekohayo: I know many ways to do it, all on the command line!
[04:03] <sladen> Nekohayo: see if you can find something related on the wiki and recode your idea.  But very click exactly what should happen if you drag.  Exactly what the new name should be...
[04:03] <Nekohayo> sladen, hmm, I'm a gui lover, I would be much more efficient if I could do that with nautilus/an album app
[04:03] <marcin_ant> sladen: nope
[04:03] <shastry> is there anywhere i can search for ubuntu packages or something  ?
[04:03] <Nekohayo> sladen, what do you mean about the wiki? that I should post this as a feature request?
[04:03] <marcin_ant> sladen: but yes there is "enable bitmapped fonts by default"
[04:04] <majskulan> shastry use synaptic
[04:04] <sladen> Nekohayo: if you have an idea, yes
[04:05] <Nekohayo> sladen, should it be posted in the ubuntuforums? in some ubuntulinux.org wiki page? (I tend to be lost in these a bit) mailed to the gnome guys?
[04:06] <marcin_ant> sladen: anyway now I know what is solution
[04:06] <inc> hi room
[04:06] <Golfer> hello inc
[04:06] <inc> sup
[04:06] <marcin_ant> sladen: and my gnome-terminal is 100% faster than with scalable TT font
[04:06] <Golfer> not alot and you
[04:07] <marcin_ant> sladen: and of course I can feel in eclipse like in emacs ;)
[04:07] <inc> not much ... just wishing sound wasn't this complex task lol
[04:07] <Golfer> whats wrong with your sound
[04:08] <FAST> anyone know how to import thunderbird mail from winxp into thunderbird for ubuntu/linux ?
[04:08] <inc> i can play cds but trying to play mp3 or any other sound is impossible heh
[04:08] <inc> i'm not sure if esd is setup right
[04:08] <bborkk> inc: What do you mean impossible?
[04:09] <Golfer> what are you trying to use to play them with
[04:09] <FAST> install xmms
[04:09] <inc> well maybe one day i'll get it
[04:09] <bborkk> FAST: Indeed.  Better interface, too.
[04:10] <bj_> so does anyone know if the new version of xorg will make it into hoary??
[04:10] <Golfer> bj_what is the new version
[04:10] <Anubis> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=67918#post67918
[04:10] <bj_> hmm something .9
[04:10] <thully> 6.8.2 - came out today
[04:11] <jdub> bj_: it already is (in code terms)
[04:11] <sladen> bj_: the xorg is hoary already /is/ that release
[04:11] <bj_> haha oh yeah 2
[04:11] <bj_> ohh i see. synaptic says 6.8.1ubuntu1 or something
[04:11] <Xappe> don't mind me
[04:11] <Xappe> i'm drunk
[04:12] <thully> yes - it has a pre-release of it
[04:12] <thully> a snippet from my X.org log
[04:12] <bj_> ok cool
[04:12] <thully> X Window System Version 6.8.1.902 (6.8.2 RC 2) (Ubuntu 6.8.1-1ubuntu16 20050209180945 root@rockhopper.warthogs.hbd.com)
[04:12] <dhonn> jdub: i send you an email with a patch that fixes some of Humans bugs, did you get it?
[04:13] <FAST> anyone know how to import thunderbird mail from winxp into thunderbird for ubuntu/linux ???
[04:13] <bj_> thully, thanks!
[04:14] <jdub> dhonn: yes, i did - haven't looked at it yet, but will - thanks!
[04:14] <Paralla1> Can anyone fix this? :   http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[04:15] <dhonn> jdub: it will probably help indubstrial too, thanks dude
[04:16] <HrdwrBoB> Paralla1: yarrgh
[04:16] <HrdwrBoB> hangon
[04:16] <Paralla1> lol
[04:16] <HrdwrBoB> actually, no I need lunch first
[04:16] <HrdwrBoB> if no-one else has fixed it when I come back
[04:16] <HrdwrBoB> I will :)
[04:17] <Xappe> lunch? it's 04.30 am here, and i'm drunk
[04:18] <_mage_work> it's 2:20pm here :)
[04:18] <Golfer> 22:20 here
[04:18] <Paralla1> good programmer
[04:18] <Paralla1> jeje
[04:19] <Xappe> dmnit you have better clocks than I
[04:20] <Nekohayo> sladen, sorry to ask again, but I still don't know _where_ I should be posting that feature request
[04:20] <toresbe> 04:20 here :P
[04:21] <Xappe> yeah, 04.22
[04:22] <hoary> hi all, i have error to install php4 it's the error message "php4-cgi:
[04:22] <hoary>  Depends: php4-cli but it is not going to be installed
[04:22] <hoary>   Depends: php4-common but 4:4.3.10-3 is to be installed"
[04:22] <Xappe> dragging along some Johnnie Walker
[04:22] <darmou> dhonn I'm using an origonal radeon with ppc ver. I can't access the console, I get the boot up screen but when I try to go to console then I get a blank screen and have to shut down the machne remotly
[04:22] <hoary> how i fix that ??
[04:23] <toresbe> hoary: that's just the way hoary is, get used to things breaking :P
[04:24] <Tuxadermist> Kinda like a FORD
[04:24] <Tuxadermist> :)
[04:24] <dhonn> darmou what kind of system?
[04:24] <hoary> toresbe, what do you mean..?? [sorry for my english.. :( ] 
[04:24] <jdub> ... and then FILE BUGS!
[04:24] <darmou> dhonn hoary power pc g4 400
[04:25] <toresbe> hoary: hoary is the *unstable* version
[04:25] <jdub> toresbe: s/unstable version/development branch/
[04:25] <inc> anybody know how to get esd workign on warty
[04:25] <ch_home> hey cool
[04:25] <ch_home> an ubuntu channel
[04:25] <DistroTalk> hello
[04:25] <Xappe> http://www.delta.se/~jon/Screenshot2.png
[04:25] <hoary> toresbe, i must remove hoary from my sourcelist...??
[04:25] <toresbe> jdub: thanks, I'm a Debian user ;)
[04:26] <Tuxadermist> Does Hoary still have the unconfigurable menu system or have the gnome guru's fixed that
[04:26] <ch_home> can someone help me set up vncserver.  I can't seem to get it to work...
[04:26] <micahf> hey do youguys have any ideas as to why I cannot get my navigation icons changed?
[04:26] <micahf> they suck
[04:26] <toresbe> hoary: how did you upgrade to hoary=
[04:26] <micahf> in gnome
[04:26] <dhonn> darmou, i dont know there has been problems in that area, especially gettin macmini working, gfx isntworking
[04:26] <micahf> and why is metacity so freaking slow :D
[04:26] <micahf> but really how do I change navigation icons
[04:27] <dhonn> metacity should be compiled
[04:27] <Xappe> beacuase you canget as beautiful as the screenshot above
[04:27] <Anubis> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=67918#post67918
[04:27] <dhonn> nicing it up or down doesnt help
[04:27] <Anubis> Help
[04:27] <hoary> toresbe, iam not to upgrade but i just want to install vhcs, and vhcs need php4-common 4.4.3
[04:27] <DistroTalk> Hey, I need some help with my site, we need some ubuntu fans to post in our ubuntu section of our forum.
[04:27] <DistroTalk> I am willing to make a person mod if they are the guru of Ubuntu also.
[04:28] <hoary> toresbe, but it's have broken library... :(
[04:28] <ch_home> Xappe; thats cool
[04:28] <toresbe> hoary: you need to upgrade to get hoary packages
[04:28] <Xappe> :)
[04:28] <bborkk> hoary: There's also backports.
[04:29] <toresbe> i gtg
[04:29] <micahf> hey I do like hoary
[04:29] <micahf> synaptic makes it work
[04:29] <hoary> bborkk, backports ?? what is it ??
[04:29] <Silesian> my ubuntu distro needs kernel reconfigured, i have no networking. would anyone tell me what to get from where exactly (except for kernel sources coz) to be able to configure kernel in menuconfig, xconfig or gconfig. i have tried compiling gtk+-2.0 from the scratch to get gconfig working - but that's overhead. please help
[04:29] <dhonn> is it snappy?
[04:29] <Xappe> sorry i'm drunk. i wont spam you anymroe
[04:30] <bborkk> hoary: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[04:32] <hoary> bborkk, which is better, hoary backports, warty backports or..??
[04:32] <dhonn> how does one pronounce "ubuntu"?
[04:32] <DistroTalk> I do not want to spam, so PM me if you want to join my forum.
[04:32] <ch_home> ooo boo ntoo
[04:32] <ch_home> er ooo boon too
[04:32] <bborkk> hoary: I have no idea... I have Hoary installed.
[04:32] <Amaranth> oo bun too, i thought
[04:33] <dhonn> cool thanks
[04:33] <bborkk> Yew-boon-too?
[04:33] <bborkk> You-boon-too?
[04:33] <hoary> bborkk, from the link you give to me i have a idea if the hoary stable is beter than warty..? isn't it..??
[04:33] <Dreamer3> anyone familiar here with how to setup a true client/server X setup?
[04:33] <bborkk> I've found it to be better.
[04:33] <ubuntu2u> hey
[04:33] <ubuntu2u> guys i am back
[04:33] <dhonn> its hard to pronounce these things gnu, gnome, ubuntu, linux
[04:34] <Dreamer3> and if so, does it work like VNC, where you can connect and disconnect, or no?
[04:34] <bborkk> dhonn: Don't forget latex
[04:34] <dhonn> lol
[04:34] <Nekohayo> I believe it's pronounced ooboontoo, am I correct?
[04:34] <ubuntu2u> can anyone helpme out here?
[04:34] <dhonn> no clue
[04:34] <ubuntu2u> i am using a broadband router and i cannot connect to the internet
[04:34] <ubuntu2u> can anyone help?
[04:34] <Nekohayo> that's what I believe anyways, will always pronounce it that way :)
[04:35] <Dreamer3> maybe i should just cave and use VNS
[04:35] <Dreamer3> maybe i should just cave and use VNC
[04:35] <Tuxadermist> buy a cisco router ? Just kidding
[04:35] <Dreamer3> i know how to set it up afterall
[04:35] <dhonn> ive been saying you bun two
[04:36] <Nekohayo> wait
[04:36] <micahf> hey how do you mount a mac filesystem
[04:36] <Golfer> its like this u (like to) bun (like bun)  an tu (like two)
[04:36] <Dreamer3> hmmmmm xnest
[04:36] <Nekohayo> I'm SURE they have written somewhere the phonetics
[04:36] <Golfer> ubuntu
[04:36] <ubuntu2u> DOES ANYONE HERE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT UBUNTU LINUX SUPPORT?
[04:36] <redrum> hey can someone give me a hand getting my nvidia drivers working again??
[04:36] <Tuxadermist> I pronounce it Linux, not big on fancy names
[04:37] <Golfer> :)
[04:37] <dhonn> or oob aunt ooh
[04:37] <jdub> ooh-boon-too
[04:37] <edlan1> So. Evolution 2.1.x / 2.2.x on hoary/amd64; anyone got that working?
[04:37] <jdub> like ooh-ooh-ooh
[04:37] <Silesian> noone have a blody clue ?
[04:37] <Dreamer3> hmmmm
[04:37] <Nekohayo> hey dhoon, I was right ;) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/pronunciation
[04:37] <Dreamer3> and now my gaim just segfaults without even running?
[04:37] <jdub> edlan1: known problems with it atm :)
[04:37] <Dreamer3> what's up with that?
[04:37] <edlan1> jdub: de la soul style "ooh ooh ooh"?
[04:37] <Silesian> i had ubuntu for 2 days, i think that's 2 days too long
[04:38] <redrum> I've followed all the instructions on ubuntuguide, and my drivers still aren't working right...
[04:38] <edlang_> yeah, I saw a few bugs in the bugzilla database
[04:38] <Tuxadermist> No but I found the Professor in the Bathroom with a plunger.
[04:38] <edlang_> tried compiling evolution/evolution-data-server/etc, no luck
[04:38] <Tuxadermist> afraid i dont play much Clue
[04:38] <hoary> everybody, what's the meaning of The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:38] <hoary>  ??
[04:38] <redrum> no one?
[04:38] <Nekohayo> could someone point me out where I could make a feature request for ubuntu/gnome?
[04:38] <jdub> Nekohayo: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[04:39] <hoary> everybody, what's the meaning of "The following packages have unmet dependencies ??"
[04:39] <edlang_> the next stick I chose to beat myself with was mono -- mono-jit / mono-mint / the development libraries are hating on amd64, too?
[04:39] <micahf> arg
[04:39] <jdub> hoary: please don't repeat questions rapidly
[04:39] <Dreamer3> anyone have ideas?
[04:39] <hoary> jdub, oops iam sorry... :(
[04:39] <Dreamer3> why my gaim would just die for no reason?
[04:39] <Tuxadermist> Yeahm I have great ideas
[04:39] <jdub> hoary: it means some installed packages have had their dependencies removed
[04:39] <jdub> hoary: run 'sudo apt-get -f install'
[04:40] <edlang_> jdub: thirdly, I had no idea my lj was read for its tech / geek value, that was really cool the other day
[04:40] <Dreamer3> hmmm
[04:40] <Tuxadermist> Dreamer3, my Gaim dies too, I found feeding it helps, on a serious note try running it from a terminal and watching what happens maybe
[04:40] <jdub> edlang_: only mono 1.1 will love amd64, but no one has committed to updating it for hoary
[04:41] <scoon> anyone here compile muine ?
[04:41] <micahf> anyone know of any good macosx looking gnome themes with navigation icons?
[04:41] <Dreamer3> Tuxadermist: nothing useful from terminal
[04:41] <Tuxadermist> Dreamer3, well at least you got a good gaim joke outta it. hehe
[04:42] <hoary> jdub, it doesn't work :( this is the last message "root@students:/etc/webmin # apt-get -f install
[04:42] <hoary> Reading Package Lists... Done
[04:42] <hoary> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[04:42] <hoary> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 749 not upgraded
[04:42] <Dreamer3> Tuxadermist: now that's kind of upsetting
[04:42] <Dreamer3> Tuxadermist: reinstalling the .deb fixed it *looks upset*
[04:42] <Tuxadermist> Dreamer3, so it just crapped out ?
[04:42] <hoary> jdub, if i run apt-get install vhcs, it's have a broken package... :( how i fix that...??
[04:43] <Dreamer3> Tuxadermist: i hate it when "windows solutions" work on linux... make me feel not good
[04:43] <ebag> nice installer guys.
[04:43] <stuNNed> Dreamer3: lol
[04:43] <Tuxadermist> Dreamer3, hehe, no doubt
[04:43] <Dreamer3> ebag: thanks the debian team :)
[04:43] <jdub> hoary: what's the output?
[04:43] <dhonn> when will gnome be ported to windows
[04:43] <surrounder> fvwm package should have tranluceny patch though
[04:43] <ubuntu2u> can anyone help me, who is the one helping people atm?
[04:43] <Dreamer3> "reinstall", "reboot", "reapply changes", "reboot", "uninstall/reinstall" ;-)
[04:43] <jdub> dhonn: some gnome apps run on windows already
[04:43] <jdub> dhonn: but, it so happens that the main gtk/windows guy has been hired by novell to continue working on it
[04:43] <ebag> Dreamer3: will do that :)
[04:44] <ubuntu2u> jdub can you help me?
[04:44] <dhonn> how about the interace?
[04:44] <hoary> jdub, this is the last message from the output "
[04:44] <hoary> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:44] <hoary>   vhcs: Depends: vhcs-gui (>= 2.2-11) but it is not going to be installed
[04:44] <hoary> E: Broken packages"
[04:44] <jdub> dhonn: the most important tasks he's working on are beagle and evolution
[04:44] <ubuntu2u> jdub can you help me?
[04:44] <Dreamer3> ebag: wasn't talking about installing ubuntu, talking about solving windows problems
[04:44] <jdub> hoary: you might want to work out why vhcs-gui is not being installed
[04:44] <jdub> ubuntu2u: ask your question to the channel, don't ask to ask
[04:44] <ubuntu2u> well i already have
[04:44] <dhonn> jdub, would a port gain us more developers?
[04:44] <ubuntu2u> u seemed to be the one helping right now
[04:44] <hoary> jdub, if i run "apt-get install vhcs-gui" it's doesn't work too.. :(
[04:45] <jdub> dhonn: hell yeah :-) gnumeric and gaim do very well with their windows ports -> plenty of windows hackers around :)
[04:45] <ebag> Dreamer3: i was talking about thanking the Debian folks ;)
[04:45] <jdub> hoary: sure, look at why, perhaps it's broken
[04:45] <Dreamer3> ebag: ah, ok :)
[04:45] <dhonn> i want to do some gnome development, see if we can fix a few bugs in gnome
[04:45] <ubuntu2u> i just installed ubuntu and now my internet connection on it won't work, i am using a router atm
[04:45] <hoary> jdub, how to fix the broken library...??
[04:46] <jdub> dhonn: you might want to check the bugzilla.gnome.org pages for 2.9
[04:46] <dhonn> will that help linux, i hear that kde is going to windows
[04:46] <edlang_> there's an annoying gtk bug on windows though -- if the machine has, say, a flashcard reader attached, gtk will complain that there is no disk in drive $random-disk
[04:46] <jdub> hoary: first you have to work out what's wrong with it
[04:46] <dhonn> i am a programmer
[04:46] <edlang_> apparently gtk cycles through the disks looking for gtkrc's or whatever
[04:46] <Dreamer3> jdub: can anyone point me to a helpful resource for using X in true client/server mode... where one computer is a server and the other a client
[04:46] <jdub> dhonn: both kde and gnome have had windows port projects working for quite a while now
[04:46] <regeya> interesting
[04:46] <jdub> Dreamer3: one sec.
[04:47] <Dreamer3> jdub: you can take that, but it's really for anyone
[04:47] <hoary> jdub, ok try to find it..., just a minute.. :), thank's jdub... :-)
[04:47] <dhonn> cool, i know it helps linux in the applications department, will it help our spread of linux
[04:47] <Dreamer3> and if it works like VNC or not (where i can start things up, disconnect, come back later they are still running)
[04:48] <jdub> Dreamer3: it's so flexible, there are many options.
[04:48] <Golfer> regeya you came back
[04:48] <Dreamer3> jdub: anything as easy as vnc?  start vnc server... then connect with client... something along those lines :)
[04:48] <Dreamer3> jdub: if it ever works that way
[04:48] <TerminX> some fuckwit in another channel managed to rm his X config without backing it up, is there something I can tell him to run to auto-generate a new one?
[04:48] <Dreamer3> jdub: i'm wanting to leave work at work... (ie, all windows open, but on another box)
[04:49] <regeya> Golfer?
[04:49] <bj_> dudes! need help!
[04:49] <bj_> and dudettes
[04:49] <regeya> ask your most righteous question
[04:49] <stuNNed> lol
[04:49] <bj_> I updated my hoary install and now i cant log into a normal gnome session only failsafe
[04:49] <Dreamer3> jdub: X protocal would be faster than vnc, yes?
[04:50] <regeya> oooh, toughie.
[04:50] <bj_> it hangs at starting window manager with a white background
[04:50] <lavigj> hey guys, quick question. I ran an ubuntu update and now my wireless won't connect. I checked my settings and such, and everything looks right. any suggestions?
[04:50] <dhonn> jdub, so i can download the gnome source code, modify the code, diff it, then send my patches through bugzilla.gnome.org?
[04:51] <lavigj> I am not sure if madwifi was included in the update or not
[04:51] <jdub> Dreamer3: not necessarily
[04:52] <jdub> Dreamer3: so one option is using the current-display vnc support in ubuntu already (Remote Desktop in preferences)
[04:52] <jdub> dhonn: yes :)
[04:52] <dhonn> alright it will be fun
[04:52] <Dreamer3> jdub: i only have ubuntu on my laptop :) nothing else yet :)
[04:52] <bj_> I'll probably just wait till it fixes itself via synaptic
[04:52] <Dreamer3> jdub: but good thought
[04:52] <kakalto> what's that kde game which
[04:52] <kakalto> err
[04:53] <kakalto> is like tron
[04:53] <kakalto> the little bike game?
[04:53] <Amaranth> bike game?
[04:53] <kakalto> with the walls
[04:53] <Amaranth> like excitebike?
[04:53] <Amaranth> oh
[04:53] <jdub> Dreamer3: really, there are so many remote access and display management options, it's difficult to explain them all
[04:53] <kakalto> and you have to cut off the opponent
[04:53] <lavigj> anyone?
[04:53] <kakalto> from tron
[04:53] <bj_> i have it
[04:53] <redrum_> like snake...
[04:53] <Amaranth> ktron? ;)
[04:53] <kakalto> lol
[04:53] <kakalto> thanks
[04:54] <kakalto> thing is, I have kde games installed, but no interface
[04:54] <Dreamer3> jdub: multiple logins is important
[04:54] <jdub> Dreamer3: google for 'jdub slug gdm vnc'
[04:54] <jdub> Dreamer3: that's a recipe i posted a while back
[04:54] <kakalto> I suppose there's no games in the xfce extra goodies thing
[04:55] <lavigj> it keeps telling me network is unreachable
[04:55] <kakalto> hmm?
[04:55] <kakalto> that reminds
[04:55] <kakalto> me
[04:56] <chillywilly> anyone using savage xorg driver?
[04:56] <kakalto> I'm not sure why, but this computer can't see the other samba computers on the network, but my other ubuntu system can see this one.. anyone know why?
[04:57] <lavigj> anyone? pleaes? this is very frustrating
[04:58] <Dreamer3> jdub: searching
[05:00] <Dreamer3> jdub: looks useful
[05:01] <chillywilly> oh, cool I have been pronouncing Ubuntu all wrong according to the FAQ ;P
[05:01] <Amaranth> how do you pronounce it?
[05:01] <Tuxadermist> LINUX
[05:01] <Tuxadermist> heheh
[05:01] <chillywilly> oo-BOON-too
[05:01] <Tuxadermist> sorry
[05:01] <Amaranth> wow, me and lugradio pronounce it wrong too ;)
[05:01] <chillywilly> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/pronunciation
[05:02] <Golfer> hmmm like I said
[05:02] <lavigj> anywireless users?
[05:03] <Nekohayo> for those interested, made my proposal here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=67944
[05:04] <|rufius|> kakalto: can the other systems aside from the ubuntu system see it?
[05:04] <kakalto> not sure
[05:04] <kakalto> haven't tried
[05:04] <|rufius|> kakalto: check that first
[05:04] <Dreamer3> jdub: i'm installing tightvnc and the server locally for testing :)
[05:05] <|rufius|> kakalto: are you the same kakalto that requested Visual Boy on the Ubuntu Backports forum?
[05:05] <dhonn> is firestarter in ubuntu?
[05:05] <stuNNed> |rufius|: any chance galeon Ubuntu Backports?
[05:05] <stuNNed> dhonn: yes
[05:06] <|rufius|> stuNNed: I'll look into it, if I don't have to rebuild core libraries, i'll get one built tonight
[05:06] <speel> is firestarter really needed?
[05:06] <dhonn> no
[05:06] <dhonn> its just there for functionality
[05:06] <speel> thats what i thaught :)
[05:06] <dhonn> im not running ubuntu right now
[05:06] <stuNNed> |rufius|: it's been ported to hoary and sid but afaik you need to rebuild core libs, maybe not though :(
[05:06] <jdub> speel: we don't ship it or support it, if that's any indication
[05:07] <speel> no i ment like is it really absultly needed
[05:07] <kakalto> rufius, windows systems cannot see this comp.
[05:07] <|rufius|> stuNNed: well its not in my package list when I searched for it, if you can find that it is in fact in the hoary tree, I'll look and see
[05:07] <jdub> speel: if it were, surely we'd ship it?
[05:07] <|rufius|> kakalto: hmm you've got a broadcast issue
[05:07] <speel> yea i suppose so :)
[05:07] <kakalto> righto
[05:07] <edlang_> ubuntu, hoary. such original nicknames.
[05:08] <kakalto> and warty :)
[05:08] <speel> hey i gotta hand it to you ubuntu guys great work with this distro.. i havent used windows for about 3 weeks ( record for me lol )
[05:08] <froust> amen to that.
[05:08] <kakalto> indeed.
[05:09] <kakalto> I go to the local computer shop, and they look at me with a very surprised look, when I say I haven't booted into windows for a week
[05:09] <speel> lol
[05:09] <|rufius|> stuNNed: i foudn it hmm
[05:09] <linuxn00b> hey hey :)
[05:09] <ChuckWagon23> hello
[05:10] <speel> the only problems i have with the distro is the development apps were not included ( gcc and all that good stuff ) and for some odd reason the " cd player " app does not play any of my audio cds but gxine does
[05:10] <kakalto> my local computer shop are microsoft fanatics :(
[05:10] <ChuckWagon23> it's weird, when i try to enter any other room, i get a message from NickServ about not being allowed
[05:10] <kakalto> yeah, the gcc thing was a bit silly
[05:10] <|rufius|> kakalto: is visual boy a package in hoary?
[05:11] <kakalto> not sure, I requested it, but I haven't checked lately
[05:11] <speel> yea but other then thoes 2 things for me a+
[05:11] <kakalto> oh, hoary
[05:11] <kakalto> I think so
[05:11] <ChuckWagon23> Does everyone else see me as ChuckWagon23?  Or do I look like pampa?
[05:11] <jdub> speel: devel stuff is on the cd
[05:11] <kakalto> jdub; but it's not installed by default
[05:11] <jdub> speel: cd player in hoary should work for you (you probably don't have an audio cable from your cd drive to your mobo or whatever)
[05:11] <jason_> speel: weird works fine on my laptop but i have seen same issue on my desktop with multiple distros, via chipset amd proc
[05:11] <speel> it was? beacause i had to do apt-get install build-essential*
[05:11] <jdub> kakalto: for good reason!
[05:12] <ChuckWagon23> HELLO?
[05:12] <kakalto> lol
[05:12] <jdub> speel: yes, it's on the cd, but not installed
[05:12] <kakalto> ChuckWago23, hellp.
[05:12] <kakalto> *hello
[05:12] <speel> ahh did not know that
[05:12] <ChuckWagon23> i could use some help
[05:12] <kakalto> *ChuckWagon
[05:12] <stuNNed> |rufius|: what do you think?
[05:12] <speel> thanks for letting me know
[05:12] <ChuckWagon23> i upgraded gaim, and now it's funky on freenode for some reason
[05:12] <ubuntu2u> can anyone help me with a problem?
[05:12] <_|Imanewbie|_> can someone please give me a hand with mozilla + xine? I want to buffer the whole video before watching it, without having to rebuffer all time
[05:13] <_|Imanewbie|_> ubuntu2u: ask away
[05:13] <ubuntu2u> mannewbie, i downloaded ubuntu and now i can not connect to the internet
[05:13] <jason_> it is hard to tell who ubuntu's target audience is, but it is a debian dirivative and you can apt-get to the sky
[05:13] <ubuntu2u> mannewbie, i am using broadband, with a router
[05:14] <ChuckWagon23> so you see how Imanewbie displays his whole hostname
[05:14] <kakalto> |rufius|, I don't suppose you know why I would be having these network problems?
[05:14] <jdub> jason_: 'linux for human beings'
[05:14] <kakalto> I opened the smb ports on firestarter
[05:14] <_|Imanewbie|_> ChuckWagon23: what do you mean?
[05:14] <ChuckWagon23> nevermind
[05:14] <|rufius|> kakalto: paste a copy of your smb.conf on a pastebin somewhere and send me the link
[05:14] <kakalto> pastebin?
[05:14] <ubuntu2u> manewbie: can you help me out?
[05:14] <_|Imanewbie|_> ChuckWagon23: please
[05:14] <jdub> jason_: 99% of the world either doesn't know what a compiler is (nor needs to), or doesn't want a compiler installed (for good reason)
[05:14] <kakalto> why not #flood
[05:14] <ChuckWagon23> i see it shows when you enter
[05:15] <_|Imanewbie|_> ChuckWagon23: is it "dangerous"? Need to fix iptables or what?
[05:15] <jason_> as apposed to dogs? aliens?
[05:15] <jdub> jason_: yes
[05:15] <_|Imanewbie|_> ubuntu2u: wich is your modem?
[05:15] <kakalto> |rufius|, where is my smb.conf? I'll post it in #flood
[05:15] <inc> installing hoary noe... yaay
[05:15] <inc> now^
[05:15] <|rufius|> kakalto: its in /etc/samba/smb.conf
[05:16] <dhonn> ubuntu2u: does your router give you an ip address to use for your other linux/windows box
[05:16] <ubuntu2u> manewbie: do you mean what kind? if so it is a d-link
[05:16] <jdub> jason_: as much as we accept and enjoy the company of dogs and aliens, we are not yet designing an operating system for them. we feel that the markets are too small, or inappropriate for that kind of move at this stage.
[05:17] <jason_> :)
[05:17] <ubuntu2u> dhonn:my router gives me different ip adress's for every computer i hook up to it
[05:17] <|rufius|> stuNNed: you'll be outta luck with galeon, it requires me having to rebuild binutils which i won't do
[05:17] <regeya> now, you never know.  maybe the real barrier to dogs has been the lack of good canine-oriented systems.
[05:18] <dhonn> ubuntu2u: what kind of ip addresses like tihs 192.168.0.x or 10.0.0.x?
[05:18] <_|Imanewbie|_> ubuntu2u: wich kind of D-Link? Are you using a bridged connection?
[05:18] <linuxn00b> odd my ethernet cable just poped out and I quickly put it back it. why was I still connected to amsn, irc and gaim even tho the cable was out?
[05:18] <ubuntu2u> dhonn/manewbie: it worked up until i installed ubuntu. and i am just learning how to use linux so i don't know how to fix it
[05:18] <dhonn> ubuntu2u: i usually just go to console and typeing sudo su; ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.66; route add default gw 192.168.0.1; echo nameserver 192.168.0.1 > /etc/resolv.conf
[05:18] <jdub> linuxn00b: because tcp connections have longish timeouts
[05:19] <ubuntu2u> linux: it stays connected for a couple of seconds it just lags
[05:19] <dhonn> type*
[05:19] <ubuntu2u> who?
[05:19] <_|Imanewbie|_> ubuntu2u: is your d-link a 500g one?
[05:19] <jason_> I think development tools are important myself, I am with the 1% who likes to have the option to edit and compile. If I wanted just binary I might as well use winders
[05:19] <ubuntu2u> not quite sure what that means?
[05:19] <linuxn00b> jdub, ahh ok, then in windows it's smaller?? because in XP I just get kicked right off
[05:19] <jason_> but sure
[05:20] <ubuntu2u> manewbie: i am not quite sure it is fairly old... probably 2 years
[05:20] <jason_> compilers are not needed on firewalls and such
[05:20] <_|Imanewbie|_> I know it isnt #xine but no one listen me there. How can  I configure xine in order to buffer the whole movie before displaying it?
[05:20] <stuNNed> |rufius|: np i'll continue to use mozilla, found the human theme for it anyways :)
[05:20] <ubuntu2u> dhonn can you guid me how to guid to all these places please?
[05:20] <|rufius|> stuNNed: ;)
[05:20] <dhonn> sure
[05:21] <_|Imanewbie|_> ubuntu2u: doesnt it has its name written on the front display?
[05:21] <Golfer> _|Imanewbie|_ why do you want to do that
[05:21] <dhonn> run: gnome-terminal
[05:21] <speel> hey is there a doc on how to make your own .deb packages for ubuntu?
[05:21] <ubuntu2u> dhonn: i don't know how to get into anything i just installed it 15 minutes ago :D
[05:21] <|rufius|> stuNNed: if you've got anymore requests be sure to post them at the forum ;)
[05:21] <_|Imanewbie|_> Golfer: cause when I watch a movie it shows a bit stop shows a bit stop
[05:22] <_|Imanewbie|_> speel: yes there is
[05:22] <Golfer> so its laggy?
[05:22] <ubuntu2u> manewbie : all it says is d-link... ohh wait it also says di-704. :D
[05:22] <dhonn> Applications -> Run; then type in gnome-terminal
[05:22] <Golfer> _|Imanewbie|_ so its laggy?
[05:22] <ubuntu2u> dhonn:ok there
[05:22] <ChuckWagon23> why did i get kicked off all the other channels i tried?
[05:22] <dhonn> ubuntu2u: then run sudo su
[05:23] <dhonn> or just type in sudo su
[05:23] <ubuntu2u> dhonn: just type sudo su?
[05:23] <ChuckWagon23> nickserv gave me this weird message when i tried to enter other rooms... strange
[05:23] <dhonn> ubuntu2u: yea
[05:23] <jdub> jason_: we're not optimising for 1%
[05:23] <kakalto> |rufius|, any luck yet?
[05:23] <jdub> jason_: 'greatest common factor'
[05:23] <ubuntu2u> dhonn: so i got to run applications->gnome terminal-> then type in sudo su
[05:23] <_|Imanewbie|_> Golfer: exactly I need to wait for rebuffer all the time
[05:23] <jdub> jason_: we make it very easy to do development on ubuntu, but it's not what everyone's interested in
[05:23] <regeya> okay, so I don't see a command-line option for rhythmbox to *just* add a file to the rhythmbox database...how the devil does nautilus do it???!?
[05:23] <dhonn> ubuntu2u:  what happes?
[05:23] <dhonn> happens8
[05:24] <Golfer> _|Imanewbie|_ in terminal have you typed xine-check
[05:24] <ubuntu2u> dhonn:it brings up the gnome terminal and when i type in sudo su ti says password
[05:24] <froust> type in your password, ubuntu2u
[05:24] <Golfer> _|Imanewbie|_ it should tell you how to fix the issue
[05:24] <_|Imanewbie|_> Golfer: it says it is all oku
[05:25] <_|Imanewbie|_> Golfer: and also says there is no xine-config found
[05:25] <sladen> ubuntu2u: then type in your password...(!)
[05:25] <dhonn> ok after youve entered it in; type ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.43
[05:25] <_|Imanewbie|_> Golfer: I have no input plugins?!
[05:25] <|rufius|> kakalto: http://physika.org/tutorials/SAMBA-HOWTO <-- read that
[05:25] <dhonn> ubuntu2u: then enter in   route add default gw 192.168.0.1
[05:25] <ubuntu2u> dhonn: what do i type in for the password?
[05:26] <dhonn> what did you set your password as?
[05:26] <kakalto> |rufius|, I'll give it a go, thanks )D
[05:26] <ubuntu2u> dhonn: oh i just type my pass?
[05:26] <ChuckWagon23> jeesh
[05:27] <jason_> jdub: I have no issue with that, Im using Ubuntu and think it is pretty slick! And the one cd is the best thing it has going vs other distros, but vs isnt the right word as we are all into linux and free software for simular reasons, and as i said we can apt-get to the sky. One nice thing is most the basic stuff is just there. As much usefull stuff that can fit on a cd.
[05:27] <dhonn> ubuntu2u: yes
[05:27] <Crane> H e l l o Ubuntuians
[05:27] <ChuckWagon23> ubuntu = great
[05:28] <speel> ubuntu = everything linux
[05:28] <dhonn> ubuntu2u: then enter   ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.52; route add default gw 192.168.0.1
[05:28] <ChuckWagon23> well, i wouldn't say it's everything linux, but it's a really cool part of linux
[05:28] <ChuckWagon23> can anything ever be everything linux... i mean, come on
[05:29] <ubuntu2u> dhonn:when i enter the ifconfig it didn't do anything
[05:29] <Crane> that depends, define linux
[05:29] <ChuckWagon23> great question
[05:29] <jason_> linux is a kernel
[05:29] <ChuckWagon23> a seed that you can do whatever you want with
[05:30] <bubbannga> anyone know if there is a deb package for streamdvd?
[05:30] <ChuckWagon23> with configurations as various as the very dna of the people who run it... or something
[05:30] <`shane-afk> I have Linux pot plants in the attic
[05:30] <dhonn> thats good
[05:30] <`shane-afk> sorry
[05:30] <ChuckWagon23> hehe
[05:30] <jason_> apt-cache search steamdvd
[05:30] <dhonn> ubuntu2u: thats expected
[05:31] <Crane> jason, I don't totaly agree, I mean doesn't windows have a "kernel"
[05:31] <jason_> sure but not a linux kernel :)
[05:31] <Crane> lol
[05:31] <`shane-afk> dirtweed
[05:31] <ubuntu2u> dhonn: i am still in gnome-terminal. when i entered in the first thing EXACTLY as said nothing happened. where do i type in the next thing?
[05:31] <ChuckWagon23> windows' kernel is like monsanto's terminator seeds -- sterile, proprietary, homgeneous
[05:31] <dhonn> ubuntu2u: lastly you enter in :  echo nameserver 192.168.0.1 > /etc/resolv.conf; exit
[05:31] <ChuckWagon23> and designed to make money, not to make people strong and healthy
[05:31] <bubbannga> jason i tried that thts why i was wondering if there was a deb package for it
[05:32] <bubbannga> cause i couldn't find anything
[05:32] <dhonn> type in one command after the other
[05:32] <jason_> ill look
[05:32] <kakalto> for IRC under ubuntu, what are my options?
[05:32] <bubbannga> trying to get lxdvdrip to work and all i'm lakin is streamdvd
[05:32] <ubuntu2u> dhonn: i enter all that in gnome terminal? can you type the commands out exactly? because it is a little confusing i don't knwo exactly what words to type. I know it is frustrating and i am very greatful :)
[05:33] <kakalto> - xchat, chatzilla, gaim, any others?
[05:33] <ChuckWagon23> i like gaim
[05:33] <kakalto> I hate the gaim irc thing
[05:33] <ChuckWagon23> why?
[05:33] <kakalto> but that's my personal taste
[05:33] <speel> irssi
[05:33] <Crane> i like xchat
[05:33] <kakalto> I can't remember the exact reason right now
[05:33] <kakalto> give me a few moments
[05:33] <Crane> didn't care for gaim  irc to much
[05:34] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmm
[05:34] <Crane> speel, is that a command line irc
[05:34] <speel> yea
[05:34] <Dreamer3> i'm tring to get a single tightvnc to work without much luck
[05:34] <ChuckWagon23> i came into this room because of a gaim issue -- got kicked out of all the other rooms before i even said a word... something about another user owning my name...
[05:34] <ChuckWagon23> so maybe gaim's not all that great
[05:34] <sladen> kakalto: apt-cache search irc
[05:34] <Kakalt1> thanks
[05:35] <kakalto> thanks
[05:35] <ChuckWagon23> it's fun when you upgrade and stuff breaks and you hack at it until you figure out why
[05:35] <ChuckWagon23> that's the spirit of linux to me
[05:35] <ubuntu2u> dhonn: are you still here ?
[05:35] <Kakalt1> a couple of reasons I don't like gaim irc: - all instant messages are on the same window
[05:35] <Kakalt1> including msn, aim, yim, etc.
[05:35] <Crane> ChuckWagon23, maybe you were using a registered nick
[05:36] <ChuckWagon23> that is true... maybe i'll give xchat a try
[05:36] <kakalto> xchat's pretty good.
[05:36] <dhonn> yeah
[05:36] <ChuckWagon23> but i'm using the same nick right now... that's what i can't figure out... i've been using this nick for years with no prob
[05:36] <kakalto> I preferred chatzilla under mozilla, but it screws up if it's on a different virtual desktop from firefox itself
[05:36] <dhonn> i send you an private message did you get it?
[05:36] <jason_> bubbannga: not in my repositories, gstreamer is as close as my seach finds
[05:36] <dhonn> it has all the commands outlined
[05:37] <bubbannga> yeah
[05:37] <Dreamer3> hmmmm
[05:37] <bubbannga> i found the binaries for it but i can't get it to install
[05:37] <Dreamer3> i keep getting a grey screen with vns
[05:37] <Dreamer3> i keep getting a grey screen with vnc
[05:37] <bubbannga> streamdvd that is
[05:37] <jason_> bubbannga: try to compile?
[05:37] <bubbannga> yes
[05:37] <Kakalt1> I think IRC IM was annoying under GAIM
[05:37] <bubbannga> with make
[05:37] <bubbannga> and mamke install
[05:38] <ChuckWagon23> if i try #slackware or #linux, i get unceremoniously dumped into a scolding by NickServ, but not here... weird
[05:38] <speel> you probably have to regi ur nick
[05:38] <ChuckWagon23> every time i connect?
[05:39] <_|Imanewbie|_> does anyone here had problems to find tha package libdvdcss2? o w32codecs?
[05:39] <kakalto> you identify every time you connect
[05:39] <Crane> yea I don't think the channel matters does it? the name is registered with the server
[05:39] <kakalto> you register once
[05:39] <speel> you just do it once thev everytime you sign on the server you identify your pw
[05:39] <ChuckWagon23> right, so i jumped right in here, but got booted out of the others... and i've chatted in those rooms with this nick before
[05:39] <kakalto> strange
[05:39] <ChuckWagon23> i think the gaim upgrade messed something up.
[05:39] <Crane> could be
[05:39] <Golfer> ChuckWagon23 whats the kick message say
[05:40] <ChuckWagon23> lemme try it again and i'll tell you
[05:40] <ChuckWagon23> hang on
[05:40] <ernesto> hello
[05:40] <ernesto> I need help
[05:40] <Crane> hiya
[05:40] <_|Imanewbie|_> does anyone here had problems to find tha packages libdvdcss2? or w32codecs? I cant find the packages suggested in www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:40] <kakalto> what is SSDP?
[05:40] <ubuntu2u> dhonn: do i type a space in between 192.168.0.1(space here?)>
[05:41] <kakalto> my firewall keeps blocking it, and I'm not sure if it should be...
[05:41] <ubuntu2u> for the last command?
[05:41] <dhonn> yea
[05:41] <ubuntu2u> ok
[05:41] <ubuntu2u> i hope this works!
[05:41] <dhonn> try firefox
[05:41] <ernesto> I want to know how to discover my friend ip for gaim
[05:41] <speel> imanewbie , you might have to add extra repos
[05:41] <dhonn> if it doesntwork we try something else
[05:41] <BiteMeBill> _|Imanewbie|_: Did you add the extra repositories?
[05:41] <Crane> man I'm ready to go home
[05:42] <ChuckWagon23> it says "use the IDENTIFY command to chat in this room"
[05:42] <sladen> dhonn: did you forget the 'ifconfig eth0 up' ?
[05:42] <speel> chuck do this /nickserv identify yourpw
[05:42] <dhonn> no
[05:42] <_|Imanewbie|_> BiteMeBill: Ive added multiverse
[05:42] <dhonn> it just works
[05:42] <ChuckWagon23> never had to do that before.  guess they want my pass again in that room for some reason?
[05:43] <Crane> ChuckWagon23, did yoou log out to join another channel?
[05:43] <ChuckWagon23> tried that, speel, that's when i got the message about somebody else owning this nick
[05:43] <BiteMeBill> _|Imanewbie|_: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:43] <ChuckWagon23> no, crane
[05:43] <ChuckWagon23> maybe that's it?
[05:43] <Crane> oh
[05:43] <kakalto> does anyone know what SSDP is?
[05:43] <speel> impossible if you have the pw cause when you put the pw it gives the person thats using ur nick a guestnick
[05:43] <kakalto> and should my firewall be blocking it?
[05:43] <slave> How do you write data to USB storage ? system message >> read only !
[05:44] <ChuckWagon23> maybe i'm putting in the wrong password
[05:44] <speel> hey just curious any nyc ubuntu users here??
[05:44] <robertj_> slave: did you mount it manually or did it automatically mount?
[05:44] <froust> is there a way to change my ext3 from ordered to writeback?
[05:44] <slave> automatic mount
[05:44] <froust> and is it adviseable?
[05:44] <BiteMeBill> kakalto: Are you running a MS OS?
[05:44] <ChuckWagon23> so, problem solved.  other channels require password id twice, but this one doesn't (?) that make sense?
[05:45] <speel> no idea lol
[05:45] <kakalto> BiteMeBill, not right now
[05:45] <speel> usally you just identify your pw once when you logg onto the server
[05:45] <slave> robertj, automatic mount
[05:45] <Crane>  Enables discovery of UPnP devices on your home network.
[05:45] <BiteMeBill> kakalto: I know SSDP as Simple Service Protocol.
[05:45] <_|Imanewbie|_> BiteMeBill: thx
[05:45] <robertj_> slave: what filesystem is on it?
[05:45] <speel> any way im goin to sleep laters
[05:45] <ChuckWagon23> weird
[05:46] <slave> robertj, dos
[05:46] <BiteMeBill> _|Imanewbie|_: Your welcome.  Did it work?
[05:46] <ChuckWagon23> later, speel
[05:46] <tritium> Menaherann, I'm back.  What's the good news?
[05:46] <_|Imanewbie|_> BiteMeBill: I will try it
[05:46] <BiteMeBill> ok
[05:46] <ChuckWagon23> cya
[05:47] <kakalto> BiteMeBill, thanks, but... does it matter if my firewall blocks it?
[05:48] <froust> anyone know about ext3 modes/
[05:48] <Crane> kakalto, you running ubuntu
[05:48] <crimsun> froust: ask away
[05:49] <BiteMeBill> kakalto: is your Ubuntu box sending it out?
[05:49] <Dreamer3> hmmm, so i can't run gnome twice
[05:49] <froust> i was reading a comparison between ext3 and reiserfs, and it came to the conclusion that ext3 writeback was the fastest, but htat ext3 ordered was the default
[05:49] <froust> how would i change ordered to writeback, and is it adviseable?
[05:50] <crimsun> froust: I presume your / (rootfs) is ext3?
[05:50] <jdub> froust: no, it's not; use ordered (the default).
[05:50] <ernesto> hey
[05:50] <froust> crimsun: yup
[05:50] <jdub> froust: your data is more important than speed.
[05:51] <froust> jdub: so it's still kinda buggy then?
[05:51] <jdub> i doubt it's buggy
[05:51] <jdub> but there's no point choosing it
[05:51] <crimsun> froust: no, it's not buggy. I agree with jdub; your data is more important.
[05:51] <jdub> ext3 is better than reiserfs for many reasons, this is one of them
[05:51] <froust> i wasn't going to go from ext3 to reiserfs
[05:52] <froust> ahh. nm.
[05:52] <jdub> writeback reduces the journalling benefits of ext3 to only do what reiserfs can do
[05:52] <crimsun> froust: for writeback, data ordering isn't guaranteed or preserved, so if your system crashes, old data may very well appear in files.
[05:52] <froust> crimsun: nuff said.
[05:53] <froust> also, i was thinking about compiling my own kernel... would this be worth doing, and how hard is it?
[05:54] <jason_> my isp decided it needed a break :)
[05:54] <kakalto> BiteMeBill, this ubuntu box is sending out, and my other ubuntu box is sending back
[05:54] <tritium> froust, it's probably not really all that worth it.
[05:54] <crimsun> froust: not difficult; I recommend you begin with the packaging infrastructure that Ubuntu provides
[05:54] <BiteMeBill> kakalto: I'm not sure on that..  thought it was a microslut thing
[05:55] <froust> crimsun: i've been using apt-get and loving it, but i try to keep doing new things so i can learn more about linux
[05:55] <kakalto> BiteMeBill, apparently not
[05:55] <froust> and since i'm still scared of going for the ati drivers, and sound is a bit wonky, i figured a kernel might be a good starting point.
[05:55] <kakalto> not sure what it's all about
[05:55] <crimsun> froust: I understand. When you're starting out, it's a good idea to use the infrastructure that Ubuntu provides, so you won't configure and compile a kernel that won't boot.
[05:56] <BiteMeBill> kakalto: Post something in the forums and see what you find out...  Can't hurt to keep it blocked for a day.
[05:56] <kakalto> sure, when I get time
[05:56] <crimsun> froust: few problems actually require a reconfiguration and a recompile of the default Ubuntu kernel.
[05:57] <jason_> crimsun: know anything about hostap drivers?
[05:57] <redrum> is ubuntu fundamentally different in anyway from other flavours of linux?
[05:57] <crimsun> jason_: nope, sorry.
[05:57] <froust> crimsun: makes sense... i'm just doing things that i hear other people are doing until i can get linux in a nutshell
[05:57] <crimsun> redrum: fundamentally? no.
[05:57] <froust> redrum: i've found it to be more compatible with hardware
[05:58] <jason_> froust: i know of an excelent online book, one sec I'll get a link
[05:58] <Anubis> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14949
[05:58] <redrum> is it more compatible because its repositories have all the drivers, and there is good software to install the right drivers?
[05:58] <BiteMeBill> go ahead jason post that link so that I can grab it too...
[05:59] <_|Imanewbie|_> I will upgrade to hoary may the force bewith meh!
[06:00] <jason_> froust: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/rute-home.html
[06:00] <redrum> i always get this error when installing things
[06:00] <redrum> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[06:00] <redrum> normal?
[06:00] <_|Imanewbie|_> redrum: what for d oyou need linux?
[06:01] <tatterdemalionpr> sup guys
[06:01] <bj_> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[06:01] <bj_> -+
[06:01] <bj_> -
[06:01] <crimsun> redrum: you really should read http://debian.video.free.fr/
[06:02] <daniels> bj_: please fix your irc client or stop pasting random bits of punctuation
[06:02] <tatterdemalionpr> how do we open an application in a terminal and still have the terminal free to do other stuff in it?
[06:02] <crimsun> redrum: in particular, note the url of the amd64 repo
[06:02] <_|Imanewbie|_> wich is the command for upgrade the whole distro?
[06:02] <froust> jason_: thanks
[06:03] <tatterdemalionpr> i fergot how and and cant find the answer on the guide
[06:03] <pampa> tatterdemalionpr: you need to finish your command with " &" without quotes
[06:03] <crimsun> _|Imanewbie|_: dist-upgrade
[06:04] <crimsun> _|Imanewbie|_: (used with dselect, apt-get, aptitude, ...)
[06:04] <tatterdemalionpr> ahh ic thanks yo!
[06:04] <tritium> Anubis, you can get the kernel you need by uncommenting the warty repositories in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:05] <redrum> crimsun: should I use that amd64 repo instead of, or as well as, the repositories in my sources.list file?
[06:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> didnt worked, my sources.list is worn can anyone send me it for hoary?
[06:06] <crimsun> redrum: it supercedes nerim.net
[06:06] <Anubis> tritium, thx will that bork my hoary install?
[06:07] <tatterdemalionpr> pampa, it doesnt like doin sudo or root things like that though huh?
[06:07] <tritium> Anubis, no.  I have warty repos as well as hoary repos in my sources.list.
[06:07] <mike_douglas> Is there someone here with advanced networking knowledge? I've got a problem regarding dhcp
[06:07] <tritium> Anubis, do an apt-get update, of course, after you uncomment them.
[06:07] <BiteMeBill> mike_douglas: give it a blurt out and we will see.
[06:08] <pampa> tatterdemalionpr, I don't know really
[06:08] <Anubis> tritium, I'll try that, what about that synaptic error?
[06:08] <tritium> Anubis, Then, apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-k7 should show a candidate in warty
[06:08] <pampa> what do you want to do?
[06:08] <tabmoW> is 4.1 still the latest release?
[06:09] <mat51> tatter: sudo synaptic & works, but you'll probably want to do sudo vim or something similar to get the password entered
[06:09] <tritium> Anubis, the error is because the package you need is not in the hoary repos, which is all you currently have.
[06:09] <crimsun> tabmoW: absolutely.
[06:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> ROFL, I could dist upgrade eacuse of gpc
[06:09] <GuruFF> i need help with compiling kernel, anyone?
[06:09] <redrum> crimsun: does it matter in which order the repositories are listed?
[06:09] <crimsun> redrum: no.
[06:09] <tatterdemalionpr> root@ragamuffinkingdom:/home/tatterdemalionprince # gedit &
[06:09] <tatterdemalionpr> [1]  2325
[06:09] <tatterdemalionpr> root@ragamuffinkingdom:/home/tatterdemalionprince #
[06:09] <tatterdemalionpr> (gedit:2325): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[06:09] <tatterdemalionpr> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[06:10] <GuruFF> please.
[06:10] <Anubis> tritium, ok
[06:10] <mike_douglas> well my project for IT12 is to setup a Ubuntu network in my local school. Of all the install options, PXE seems the most featureful, but PXE requires a dhcp server with a special configuration. The DHCP server my school uses is part of the district and I don't have access to it. Is there anyway to setup a second dhcp server without bringing down the network
[06:10] <pampa> tatterdemalionpr, that's the normal output .... it does the same if you just do it without the &
[06:10] <tritium> Anubis, you can always use command line too.
[06:10] <siridhar> Help plz -> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=67967#post67967
[06:11] <_|Imanewbie|_> ROFL, I couldnt upgrade the distro because of gpc
[06:11] <tabmoW> is it easy to compile an up-to-date kernel for ubuntu? like a 2.6.10 kernel?
[06:11] <_|Imanewbie|_> will it just reboot after done?
[06:11] <tatterdemalionpr> the terminal is also locked though i cant do anything in it till i close gedit
[06:11] <tatterdemalionpr> wait nm
[06:11] <tatterdemalionpr> its ok =o)
[06:11] <pampa> tatterdemalionpr, after doing that hit enter
[06:11] <BiteMeBill> mike_douglas: couldn't you get away with a simple gateway?
[06:11] <tatterdemalionpr> yeah... sorry damn i feel stupid
[06:11] <redrum> crimsun: so it doesn't really matter how many repositories are in the file?
[06:11] <william> hell
[06:11] <william> o
[06:11] <tatterdemalionpr> thanks for you help though
[06:12] <tatterdemalionpr> =?
[06:12] <crimsun> redrum: not really, but as you might guess, it will quickly become troublesome for a novice Ubuntu user.
[06:12] <pampa> tatterdemalionpr, your welcome .... I am not too experienced though
[06:12] <_|Imanewbie|_> ??? no one has the answer for my doubts?
[06:13] <_|Imanewbie|_> wll I gtg cya
[06:13] <tritium> tabmoW, not too difficult.  Have you compiled a kernel before?
[06:13] <tritium> tabmoW, 2.6.10 is in Hoary.
[06:13] <tabmoW> tritium: uhuh
[06:13] <tritium> tabmoW, the debian way?
[06:13] <william> Does anyone have any idea how I should approach my community with "open" arms? (Yes pun intended) I want to get more people to use ubuntu, but people get angry when I mention linux... Poasters?
[06:13] <william> *Posters
[06:14] <redrum> crimsun: ok.  I keep getting errors which tell me to use 'apt-get update', but apt-get update just gives me errors...
[06:14] <tabmoW> tritium: usually just make menuconfig; make; make modules; make modules_install; make install
[06:14] <william> redrum
[06:14] <william> I had that problem to
[06:14] <tritium> what evokes anger at merely mentioning linux?
[06:14] <crimsun> redrum: which errors are those? use #flood as necessary.
[06:14] <GuruFF> i have no access to the internet from ubuntu, i'm cut off from repositories. can i please as that some one either tell me how i can grab precompiled package in other way or please grab for me a specific package ?
[06:14] <redrum> is #flood a channel?
[06:14] <william> Anger... the a-holes are M$ nazis
[06:14] <redrum> remember i'm a noob
[06:15] <tritium> tabmoW, the debian/ubuntu method is to build a kernel as a .deb package
[06:15] <incognit0> will someone please visit this website and tell me what they see http://www.epaphoto.com
[06:15] <william> ya
[06:15] <mike_douglas> BiteMeBill, the dhcp server has to run a bootloader on the client, how would a gateway solve that?
[06:15] <tritium> tabmoW, it uses kernel-package
[06:15] <jason_> being called an a-hole and an M$ nazi would anger most people
[06:16] <Tuxadermist> ok wtf have to manualy comment out my sources list because someone configured synaptic in a wierd way ?
[06:16] <tabmoW> tritium: so can i download hoary and install it and it will have the 2.6.10 kernel?
[06:16] <bob2> incognit0: please stop it
[06:16] <redrum> crimsun: errors posted on #flood
[06:17] <crimsun> redrum: did you remember to comment out the nerim.net line(s)?
[06:17] <tritium> tabmoW, yes, but Hoary is not released yet.  It's still in development/testing
[06:17] <redrum> crimsun: no
[06:17] <tabmoW> the only thing i can find about hoary on my local mirror is the live-cd
[06:17] <tritium> tabmoW, are you comfortable with that?
[06:17] <redrum> i also have some more repos in there... want me to paste my sources.list?
[06:18] <tabmoW> tritium: hmmms i might see how i go first getting my ubuntu to recognise all my stuff on my laptop
[06:18] <tabmoW> basically i need full acpi working so i can suspend etc.
[06:18] <raydogg> What does "Array 4 is released"
[06:18] <raydogg> mean ?
[06:18] <tritium> raydogg, it's a test release, basically
[06:19] <william> tritium: The boss is a M$ nazi
[06:19] <tritium> tabmoW, Okay.  When Hoary is released, I think you'll be very pleased with the acpi support and power management.
[06:19] <tritium> william, oh
[06:19] <tabmoW> tritium: excellent ;oP
[06:19] <bur[n] er> any chance for gparted in hoary?
[06:20] <bur[n] er> and a cd burning app... ala graveman, gnomebaker, or coaster?
[06:20] <tritium> I have graveman in Hoary now.
[06:20] <bur[n] er> but will it be included?
[06:20] <tritium> william, I hope your posters don't use that tone or language, though.
[06:21] <tritium> bur[n] er, it's in universe
[06:21] <bur[n] er> very cool... i didn't know :) thanks tritium
[06:21] <tritium> :)
[06:21] <bur[n] er> how bout gparted?
[06:21] <tritium> yes
[06:21] <bur[n] er> that would be nice to incorporate on the livecd ubuntu
[06:22] <bur[n] er> and/or installer as well
[06:22] <Dreamer3> jdub: you still here?
[06:22] <Dreamer3> jdub: if i setup my box as described in your how-to, can i log in remotely and locally at the same time with a complex env such as gnome?
[06:22] <tritium> bur[n] er, that's also in universe.  Probably won't be in the liveCD if I had to guess.
[06:22] <Dreamer3> jdub: right now i'm trying to simply run the server process but gnome-session dies with " you're already running a session manager"
[06:23] <sladen> Dreamer3: killall5
[06:23] <wasabi> Is there an ubuntu ppc live cd?
[06:23] <bob2> yes
[06:23] <tritium> wasabi, yes
[06:23] <tritium> for Hoary
[06:23] <sladen> wasabi: for warty, no.  For Hoary, yes
[06:23] <Dreamer3> sladen: i don't want to kill all my stuff :)
[06:24] <wasabi> ahhhh cool found it
[06:24] <wasabi> thanks
[06:24] <HaloGray> howdy gents
[06:24] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[06:24] <tritium> Hey HaloGray
[06:24] <Dreamer3> can one log in twice to gnome on the same PC?
[06:24] <Dreamer3> my guess is no
[06:25] <HaloGray> No way that I know of
[06:25] <tritium> william, what is that file you're trying to send me?
[06:25] <HaloGray> Are you thinking of a stalled session like in XP?
[06:25] <bob2> Dreamer3: as the same user?
[06:25] <HaloGray> errr, a locked session I guess you could say
[06:25] <Dreamer3> bob2: yes, as the same user
[06:26] <Dreamer3> bob2: i know you can as different users :)
[06:26] <bob2> you can't, thinkgs break
[06:27] <jdub> Dreamer3: there's a few things you need to turn on to make it work
[06:27] <jdub> Dreamer3: google will know
[06:28] <Dreamer3> jdub: i have the standalone server working with blackbox
[06:29] <Dreamer3> now i'm wondering what a mess it will be to instlal xfce 4.2 on ubuntu
[06:30] <tritium> Anubis, any results to report?
[06:31] <Dreamer3> jdub: hmmm
[06:31] <Dreamer3> all this talk of people running xfce 2.4 on ubuntu, but it doesn't seem possible without a lot of breakage (warty)
[06:32] <Dreamer3> (4.2)
[06:32] <crimsun> Dreamer3: working on that.
[06:32] <Dreamer3> crimsun: working on it as in?
[06:32] <crimsun> Dreamer3: this weekend, I'll have a wiki page up, and hopefully people will drop by and provide input.
[06:32] <siridhar> does ubuntu use genkernel to build the kernel?
[06:32] <crimsun> Dreamer3: as in there were at least 4 interested parties in pushing XFce 4.2 into Ubuntu-able shape.
[06:33] <crimsun> siridhar: isn't genkernel Gentoo-born?
[06:33] <Dreamer3> crimsun: maybe i could just build .debs and save everyone some trouble :)
[06:33] <tritium> siridhar, you can build your own kernel into a .deb with kernel-package
[06:33] <crimsun> Dreamer3: building debs isn't the issue; there's plenty of infrastructure. :) It's the streamlining and cohesive fit with the remainder of Ubuntu that needs to be polished.
[06:34] <siridhar> crimsun: ok sorry, then may be it's not applicable. I am browsing http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=10#doc_chap2 to understand how I to edit grub file
[06:34] <Anubis> tritium, not yet
[06:34] <tritium> Anubis, did you try to install the kernel, though?
[06:34] <Anubis> tritium, at least I can select the stuff without error
[06:34] <tritium> Anubis, good.
[06:34] <Anubis> whther it all works it will be a while until i can tell
[06:34] <Anubis> gonna have to kill X
[06:34] <Dreamer3> crimsun: building .debs is my issue right now :)
[06:35] <siridhar> crimsun, I installed Ubuntu but the graphical interface is not starting. Also grub doesn't have windows XP option. Any solution?
[06:36] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i'm scared, xfce wants to pull in SOOO much stuff
[06:36] <crimsun> siridhar: need more information regarding your graphics hardware and current Ubuntu configuration.
[06:36] <crimsun> Dreamer3: expected.
[06:36] <Anubis> tritium, still can't select mplayer-k7 though
[06:36] <Anubis> one thing at a time though
[06:36] <Dreamer3> crimsun: guess when i installed on debian i alreayd had most of this :)
[06:36] <Dreamer3> i got the idea that xfce was "light" :)
[06:37] <siridhar> crimsun: pls look here --> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=67967#post67967
[06:38] <crimsun> Dreamer3: its footprint tends to be more slight, but it certainly has its share of infrastructure.
[06:39] <rellik> which package will let me 'man 3 printf' ?
[06:39] <tritium> rellik, manpages-dev
[06:39] <tezza> i just installed ubuntu but i have no sound
[06:39] <KyrahJade> good night, all...
[06:40] <rellik> tritium, thanks
[06:40] <tritium> Good night KyrahJade
[06:40] <aspro> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=12174 <-- for some reason I cannot get the commands in there to do anything (i have installed apt-show-versions) instead of simulating the downgrade of packages it just returns me to the prompt with no output
[06:40] <aspro> does anybody have any idea why this might be?
[06:40] <Dreamer3> crimsun: is there anything smaller, yet sexier?
[06:40] <tritium> aspro, did you have Warty + backports?
[06:41] <pussfeller> how you set the bg in flux
[06:41] <aspro> yes
[06:41] <tritium> aspro, and now you're trying to upgrade to Hoary?
[06:41] <aspro> uhuh
[06:41] <Tuxadermist> what are system-tool-backends ?
[06:41] <crimsun> Dreamer3: to be honest, my current hoary machine is kaput, so I can't recommend anything offhand. I've used blackbox, openbox, fluxbox, larswm, ratpoison, oroborox, etc., etc., and "smaller, yet sexier" is simply subjective.
[06:42] <crimsun> siridhar: what graphics chipset?
[06:42] <tritium> Tuxadermist, a new dependency of gnome-system-tools
[06:42] <Dreamer3> crimsun: true :) i was _really_ liking xfce under debian... i've even modified my gnome panels to be more "xfceish"
[06:42] <siridhar> crimsun, let me check. one minute
[06:42] <Tuxadermist> What happened to the actual tools like Boot-Admin ?
[06:43] <william> .
[06:43] <tritium> yikes...battery on the verge of death...
[06:43] <tezza> it seems that i have sound modules loaded but i have no sound at all? anyone using the ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller for sound?
[06:44] <Dreamer3> ok, what gets me all the debian package building infastruture, what packages?
[06:44] <tritium> good night...
[06:44] <crimsun> tezza: warty?
[06:44] <tezza> crimsun, yes
[06:44] <crimsun> tezza: you need a newer version of ALSA.
[06:44] <Dreamer3> nm, i have most of it
[06:44] <tezza> crimsun, what's the best way to go about that?
[06:45] <siridhar> crimsun: would that be Display Video adapter?
[06:45] <crimsun> tezza: sudo aptitude install build-essential kernel-package linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[06:46] <crimsun> tezza: then: wget http://ftp.wa.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/alsa-source_1.0.8-4_all.deb
[06:46] <siridhar> crimsun, Display Video Adapter:   	VIA/S3G UniChromeII Graphics (64 MB)
[06:46] <crimsun> tezza: then: sudo dpkg -i alsa-source_1.0.8-4_all.deb
[06:46] <crimsun> tezza: then: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[06:47] <crimsun> tezza: then please read the documentation at /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian
[06:47] <Dreamer3> crimsun: how will i know when you get the wiki up? :)
[06:47] <crimsun> Dreamer3: I will post to u-u about it.
[06:47] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i guess work on xfce would really be for hoary?
[06:47] <Dreamer3> crimsun: u-u?
[06:47] <crimsun> Dreamer3: Hoary+1; it's a bit late for Hoary.
[06:48] <crimsun> Dreamer3: ubuntu-user
[06:48] <crimsun> siridhar: hmm. You need a newer version of the X Window System if I remember correctly
[06:48] <siridhar> crimsun, ok. how do I get that from the command line? What do I type?
[06:49] <crimsun> siridhar: out of curiosity, have you tried Array 4 or newer?
[06:49] <siridhar> don't know what Array 4 is. I got the CD shipped from ubuntu
[06:49] <siridhar> and used that
[06:49] <crimsun> siridhar: (see the last section of the topic)
[06:50] <tezza> crimsun, ok cool - after all that is a reboot needed?
[06:50] <crimsun> tezza: no, a removal of the current ALSA modules and a reinsertion of the newly-compiled and -installed ALSA modules
[06:51] <crimsun> tezza: a reboot will be simpler, but it's not required.
[06:51] <sig_ubuntu> evening guys
[06:51] <siridhar> crimsun: If I manage to download and burn that to a CD, once I put it in the drive, can I simply point the same location on the harddrive that I used to install ubuntu earlier? Will it overwrite everything and work?
[06:51] <siridhar> that = array 4
[06:52] <Dreamer3> crimsun: so, what are the biggest things to making xfce ubuntable?
[06:52] <Dreamer3> crimsun: ottoyh
[06:52] <Dreamer3> crimsun: and i'm not going to sign up for a list with 200m/day :)
[06:52] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i guess i'll just hear about it eventually
[06:53] <crimsun> siridhar: you may use the same location, yes. Whether it works cannot be guaranteed, as Array 4 is a milestone.
[06:54] <siridhar> crimsun: shall try that. b4 that is there anything I can do to fix my current situation? at least is it possible for me to boot windows XP?
[06:55] <stuNNed> crimsun: how's array 4 working out?
[06:55] <crimsun> siridhar: it should be; I'm not a grub guru, however, so others will be more helpful. Also, please search the wiki and the forum.
[06:55] <siridhar> k
[06:56] <crimsun> stuNNed: Hoary system itself seems fine, but I can't use the display since the crt is kaput. :)
[06:56] <sig_ubuntu> what was the upgrade of "libpq3" for anyone know?
[06:56] <crimsun> sig_ubuntu: from which version to which version?
[06:56] <sig_ubuntu> WARTY
[06:56] <sig_ubuntu> just wondering what the security issue for it was
[06:56] <sig_ubuntu> thats all
[06:57] <crimsun> CAN-2005-0247
[06:57] <sig_ubuntu> package upgrade
[06:57] <crimsun> "- Fix multiple buffer overflows in the PL/PGSQL parser's gram.y file."
[06:57] <sig_ubuntu> aahh
[06:58] <crimsun> sig_ubuntu: apologies, I'm reading a newer package.
[06:58] <tezza> crimsun, i did all that it said within that file but i get a dependency errors
[06:59] <FAST> anyone know how to import thunderbird mail from winxp into thunderbird for ubuntu/linux ???
[06:59] <sig_ubuntu> Setting up libpq3 (7.4.5-3ubuntu0.4) ...
[07:00] <sig_ubuntu> Preparing to replace libpq3 7.4.5-3ubuntu0.2 (using .../libpq3_7.4.5-3ubuntu0.4_i386.deb) ...
[07:00] <sig_ubuntu> Unpacking replacement libpq3 ...
[07:00] <sig_ubuntu> Setting up libpq3 (7.4.5-3ubuntu0.4) ...
[07:00] <crimsun> sig_ubuntu: the warty-security upgrade was for a series of advisories: beginning with 7.4.5-3ubuntu0.1: CAN-2004-0977, CAN-2005-0227, CAN-2005-024[4-7] 
[07:00] <carthik> FAST, start up thunderbird, copy the mail folders from within your profiles folder in windows into the ubuntu one - that worked for me
[07:00] <crimsun> tezza: which dependency is missing?
[07:00] <tezza> crimsun, it's in #flood
[07:00] <carthik> FAST, in general, look for the guides at the thunderbird help/forums
[07:00] <crimsun> ah, I see.
[07:01] <lavigj> guys, any idea what killed my wireless? I ran an update, it stopped working. I tried rolling back to the old madwifi drivers, nothing. the card works in windows so I think it si a config issue. Can I just totally take my wireless settings back to square one?
[07:02] <carthik> lavigj, what were you using to make it work before?
[07:03] <lavigj> carthik: I was using the madwifi drivers... it pretty much just worked.
[07:03] <lavigj> carthik: I am about at my wits end here...
[07:04] <hoary> any body help me..??
[07:04] <hoary> i have a problem with my webmin... :(
[07:04] <hoary> it's doesn't work... :(
[07:05] <crimsun> tezza: ok, you'll need more dependencies because alsa-driver has been updated to require additional 1.0.8 versions.
[07:05] <lithi> How do I make my own shortcut in the applications area of gnome? Using Hoary
[07:05] <crimsun> tezza: /j #alsa
[07:06] <lavigj> carthik: any suggestions?
[07:07] <R0bNyc> Hello, do I have to edit hoary sources to be able to find other apps that I want?
[07:07] <R0bNyc> like gnapster its on debian
[07:09] <TheMuso> R0bNyc: Have you enabled the universe repository in sources.list?
[07:09] <R0bNyc> its all enabled
[07:09] <R0bNyc> I'm using the latest hoary btw
[07:09] <mpq> how do I partition?
[07:09] <TheMuso> R0bNyc: Have you performed a search for it?
[07:10] <TheMuso> mpq: The most basic tool is fdisk, but there is also cfdisk.
[07:10] <mpq> I need to reinstall windows and I need to make a partition for it so it won't try to kill ubuntu
[07:10] <TheMuso> mpq: Make sure windows goes on before Ubuntu.
[07:10] <TheMuso> as in on the disk.
[07:10] <mpq> it's a little too late for that
[07:10] <R0bNyc> TheMuso, yes I checked on DEbian and its there but not here on Ubuntu
[07:10] <mpq> and I couldn't install ubuntu without formatting the hard drive
[07:11] <carthik> lavigj, sorry was away for a bit - I have not used madwifi, ever, so I wouldn't know. Try do a $sudo ifdown <your-interface> , and then an ifup, if you haven't already
[07:11] <TheMuso> R0bNyc: I suggest you connect to a Debian source repository, download the source, and build a package from the source for Ubuntu.
[07:11] <R0bNyc> :-X
[07:11] <lavigj> carthik: done.
[07:11] <ebag> apt-get install gtk
[07:11] <lavigj> carthik: any suggestion on how to blow it all out?
[07:11] <ebag> package not found.
[07:11] <mpq> how do I install one OS without having to uninstall the other?
[07:12] <carthik> lavigj, apt-get remove <name-of-module> ?
[07:12] <carthik> lavigj, and then an install, again..
[07:12] <lavigj> carthik: did in synaptics actually
[07:12] <ebag> where do i get gtk, gtk-devel ?
[07:12] <carthik> lavigj, that's okay, in Synaptic, right click and remove the package, with all the files taht go with it, then
[07:12] <TheMuso> mpq: Create partitions in the free space on your drive. You can in fact install windows after Ubuntu if Windows is on a primary partition. I have done this before.
[07:13] <carthik> lavigj, then try installing it again....
[07:13] <mpq> I don't know how to partition
[07:13] <carthik> lavigj, if the module has an associated service, try restarting it first...
[07:13] <TheMuso> Ok. How did you partition your system when you installed Ubuntu?
[07:13] <mpq> I didn't
[07:13] <mpq> I ended up reformatting the whole hard drive
[07:13] <TheMuso> How did you install Ubuntu then?
[07:14] <lavigj> carthik: yeah, i did that. I may try restarting again though, I hadn't thought of a module problem
[07:14] <TheMuso> So is Ubuntu on that drive already?
[07:14] <mpq> yes
[07:14] <lavigj> carthik: I just realized the time, i need to get going. i appreciate the suggestion on the module
[07:14] <TheMuso> Is there any unpartitioned space on the drive?
[07:14] <mpq> I was told I couldn't safely resize an NTFS partition
[07:14] <carthik> like /etc/init.d/<module-name> stop (and then start)
[07:14] <mpq> muso: no
[07:14] <lavigj> carthik: thanks for that suggestion... I just want it to work becauswe I have no idea why it stopped.
[07:14] <carthik> lavigj, looking in /etc/init.d/ will tell you if there is a module...
[07:15] <mpq> I have a 60 GB hdd
[07:15] <carthik> lavigj, I know the feeling :| good luck
[07:15] <Underlord> how do i add kde to the gdm session list in ubuntu?
[07:15] <lavigj> carthik: thanks
[07:15] <mpq> I want to resize the ext3 partition to 30GB and make an NTFS partition out of the other 30GB
[07:15] <TheMuso> mpq: Ok. Unless you feel like starting all over again, you will need a live CD to do what I am about to suggest.
[07:15] <TheMuso> and what I am about to suggest is not easy.
[07:15] <mpq> ok
[07:16] <carthik> Underlord, I installed kde (a meta-package, I guess) and KDE was listed in gdm automatically
[07:16] <TheMuso> mpq it doesn't need to be the Ubuntu live CD, but a live CD that allows you to mount partitions, etc
[07:17] <mpq> will the ubuntu live cd do that?
[07:17] <TheMuso> .mpq yes.
[07:17] <mpq> should I boot it and come back?
[07:17] <TheMuso> Yes.
[07:17] <mpq> ok
[07:17] <mpq> give me a few minutes
[07:18] <carthik> Underlord, or search the forum for posts like this one : http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=34067&postcount=10
[07:19] <R0bNyc> SO Ubuntu is not really debian since the packages debian has for example 1 in particular cannot be found in ubuntu =(
[07:20] <TheMuso> R0bNyc: There may be a good reason why that package is not in ubuntu. Not being able to be built is one of them.
[07:20] <K-Rich> any suggestions for a keen game or 2?
[07:20] <R0bNyc> gnapster that is if you were curious
[07:20] <carthik> What's example 1, R0bNyc?
[07:20] <TheMuso> R0bNyc: That package wasn't in Debian when they took a snapshot.
[07:20] <R0bNyc> Oh yes
[07:20] <R0bNyc> Hoary is new so it should be there
[07:21] <R0bNyc> I Even added the multiverse after universe to see if it would help
[07:21] <TheMuso> R0bNyc: Yes, but I think they only take a snapshot of unstable at a certain point and upgrade where necessary, unless the package is for the main distribution. Universe stuff is not attended to by the main devleopers. However, there is a team of universe maintainers that has ben recently formed. Check the Ubuntu wiki for more information about them.
[07:22] <TheMuso> R0bNyc: Is gnapster from Debian's non-free repos?
[07:22] <R0bNyc> thanks TheMuso very nice of you
[07:22] <mpq> ok, I'm on the live cd
[07:22] <R0bNyc> hmm I Dontknow from where
[07:22] <R0bNyc> letme recheck
[07:22] <TheMuso> mpq: Ok. Bring up a terminal.
[07:23] <BiteMeBill> Isn't gnapster only in Debian stable?
[07:23] <mpq> ok
[07:23] <TheMuso> mpq: Before we do anything else, do you have any data on that Ubuntu installation that you need to back up? If so, I suggest you do it now.
[07:24] <mpq> how do I do access my data on the hard drive?
[07:25] <TheMuso> mpq: You need to create a directory to mount the hard disk partition on. Go to /media, and type sudo mkdir hd
[07:25] <R0bNyc> yes it isin stable
[07:26] <TheMuso> mpq: Then mount the partition on that directory,.
[07:26] <TheMuso> R0bNyc: Is it in unstable or testing?
[07:26] <BiteMeBill> R0bNyc: Isn't Ubunbu based on debian unstable?
[07:26] <mpq> uh, how do I mount?
[07:27] <TheMuso> Ok. To save confusion, it might be easier to go back to the installation and do it from there. Sorry I didn't think of the backup step before. I also thought you might know how to mount other filesystems. Apologies.
[07:27] <cef> ubuntu is based on mainly unstable with a bit of testing, as it was when the packages were pulled into ubuntu
[07:27] <TheMuso> otherwise I can talk you through it.
[07:28] <mpq> well, I only started using linux 2 days ago...
[07:28] <cef> with it's own mix of extra stuff like xorg
[07:28] <R0bNyc> TheMuso, it shows stable
[07:28] <R0bNyc> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=gnapster&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all
[07:29] <K-Rich> ugh... booting the winXP box to copy some tunes over... first time it's been on in months :P
[07:29] <TheMuso> R0bNyc: This means that it is only in stable. For some reason it has been discontinued in unstable and testing.
[07:29] <TheMuso> That is why Ubuntu doesn't have it.
[07:29] <R0bNyc> TheMuso, :-X
[07:30] <R0bNyc> thanks so what I do
[07:30] <katfood> I'm having a slight problem.  I have an IDE disk and a SATA disk.  I installed ubuntu to the SATA disk, but when it reboots, i'm stuck at a grub prompt
[07:30] <TheMuso> R0bNyc: What I would try and do, is to get the source for gnapster from the Debian stable source repository. Then try and rebuild it on ubuntu.
[07:31] <FAST> i think im gonna install array-4 just cause i have nothin else to do
[07:31] <TheMuso> katfood: Where did you install Grub to?
[07:31] <katfood> the SATA hard drive.  sda
[07:32] <TheMuso> katfood: When you say it hangs at the grub prompt, do you even get the message to press escape for the menu or the menu itself?
[07:32] <katfood> no menu, no escape message.  I'm at grub bash shell
[07:33] <katfood> grub>
[07:33] <R0bNyc> TheMuso, ty
[07:33] <TheMuso> katfood: This is directly after a fresh install?
[07:33] <katfood> yes
[07:33] <TheMuso> What architecture?
[07:34] <katfood> nforce2 with an athlon 2200
[07:34] <TheMuso> Right. What version of Ubuntu? Warty?
[07:34] <katfood> warty 4.10
[07:35] <TheMuso> Can you type help or ? at the prompt, and do you get anything? I am not exactly aware of what can be done at that prompt.
[07:36] <katfood> sure, you type help and it lists the grub commands root, kernel, setup, debug, cat, and quite a few others
[07:36] <choicear> how do you install the java plugin in firefox with ubuntu?
[07:37] <BiteMeBill> choicear: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre-mozilla
[07:37] <TheMuso> katfood: Have you tried the install more than once to see if anything different occurs?
[07:37] <choicear> thanks!
[07:38] <katfood> themuso yes
[07:39] <BiteMeBill> choicear: yw
[07:39] <TheMuso> katfood: Since I am no grub expert, I would suggest you search the ubuntu wiki, and the bugzilla to see if anything has been mentioned. Then I would either go onto a forum or the mailing lists, whatever you feel more comfortable with, and ask what to do. I am affraid I don't know what to do from here.
[07:40] <katfood> i think the problem is that grub isn't getting set up correctly... i think it's trying to boot off the ide disk and not the SATA disk
[07:41] <TheMuso> katfood: There is one thing you could try, if you have a Live CD of some sort handy.
[07:41] <siridhar> During installation, Ubuntu configuration part, configuring xserver-xfree86 screen looks like this: http://img235.exs.cx/img235/7990/configuringxserverxfree860by.jpg. My monitor resolution is 1024*768, but it isn't listed there, what should I select?
[07:42] <BiteMeBill> katfood: Just the search of grub SATA turned up two pages..  Looks like your answer won't be to hard to find.
[07:42] <TheMuso> siridhar: Have you tried scrolling down through the list?
[07:42] <TheMuso> As far as I know, not all the resolutions available are displayed at once.
[07:42] <siridhar> oh ok, I see them now
[07:43] <siridhar> they are selected by default, so that's ok
[07:43] <katfood> bitemebill: where did you do this search... i tried a google search and didn't find anything relevant... did you search the forums?
[07:43] <BiteMeBill> katfood: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=240018
[07:43] <siridhar> search in forums and wiki
[07:45] <cef> is there hoary installer images about?
[07:45] <null> bah is there any software that acts as a downloader in windows ? similar to downloader for x or kget ?
[07:45] <cef> actually no.. don't worry.. grr.. this is annoying.. stupid really old grub on the warty images.. grrr
[07:45] <BiteMeBill> null: are you talking about a download manager?
[07:47] <null> BiteMeBill: yeah dats da one, download manager, cos i get corrupt iso's everytime using firefox d/l
[07:47] <BiteMeBill> null: could always go with a torrent.
[07:48] <null> hmm, ahh okies
[07:48] <null> could try
[07:49] <Mongol_Samurai> anyone here who can help me with problems compiling Wine?
[07:49] <cef> ARGH! why does warty have such an old version of grub?
[07:49] <Mongol_Samurai> heh
[07:49] <mpq> sorry that took so long
[07:49] <TheMuso> No problem.
[07:50] <mpq> my router decided it didn't want me to get on the internet
[07:50] <mpq> I hate linksys
[07:50] <Mongol_Samurai> okay seriously, help with make, anyone?
[07:50] <mpq> okay, I backed up my important stuff
[07:50] <mpq> what do I do now?
[07:51] <TheMuso> mpq are you on your installation or the live CD?
[07:51] <mpq> live
[07:51] <TheMuso> Ok good. Open a terminal, and run sudo cfdisk /dev/hda
[07:52] <mpq> ok, now what?
[07:52] <hoary>  everybody, i use warty for my ubuntu, how to upgrade to hoary...??
[07:52] <null> BiteMeBill: hmm dont seem to find any torrents for horay live cd
[07:52] <TheMuso> You should have a couple of lines of data in the middle of the screen starting with hda1 and hda2 One of them should be highlighted with black writing on white. Is this right so far?
[07:52] <mpq> it says I have two: the main ext3 partition, and a 512MB swap partition
[07:52] <mpq> yeah
[07:52] <BiteMeBill> null: give me a sec
[07:53] <TheMuso> What number does the swap partition have?
[07:53] <TheMuso> On the left?
[07:53] <mpq> hda5
[07:53] <TheMuso> And the ext3 partition?
[07:53] <mpq> 1
[07:53] <TheMuso> And there is no free space?
[07:53] <mpq> there's plenty of free space
[07:54] <TheMuso> But any unpartitioned free space? Under those too lines is there free space and the amount?
[07:54] <mpq> no
[07:54] <mpq> I'm assuming I need to resize hda1?
[07:54] <TheMuso> Yes. How big is hda1 now?
[07:54] <mpq> 59499.16 MB
[07:54] <mpq> my HD is 60 GB
[07:55] <TheMuso> How big do you want the Ubuntu partition to be/.
[07:55] <mpq> half of that
[07:55] <BiteMeBill> null: hmmm it was there.
[07:55] <mpq> and I want to other half to be for windows
[07:55] <BiteMeBill> I don't see it either..  Sorry....
[07:55] <TheMuso> mpq ok make a note of the size of hda1 now so you can work out an approximate half of that later.
[07:56] <TheMuso> it doesn't have to be exact.
[07:56] <mpq> noted
[07:56] <TheMuso> Ok. Highlight hda1 with the up and down arrow keys.
[07:56] <mpq> ok
[07:56] <Mongol_Samurai> can anyone help me with a problem i'm having installing Wine?
[07:57] <cef> woo! using a later grub allowed me to set up root & boot on a software raid1 md device. yay!
[07:57] <mpq> it was already highlighted
[07:57] <Mongol_Samurai> nice, cef
[07:57] <TheMuso> Ok. With the left and right arrow keys, highlight delete at the bottom of the screen. Don't worry, we will be re-creating it again.
[07:57] <mpq> ok
[07:57] <TheMuso> if you haven't already done so, press enter on delete.
[07:58] <mpq> ok
[07:58] <TheMuso> In the spot where hda1 was, it should now say free space.
[07:58] <cef> Mongol_Samurai: just pulled down the deb (i'm guessing from hoary) via wget and installed it.
[07:58] <mpq> yeah
[07:58] <TheMuso> With the left and right arrow keys again, select new.
[07:58] <TheMuso> and press enter.
[07:58] <Mongol_Samurai> i'm having compiling issues
[07:59] <cef> Mongol_Samurai: and yeah.. I want raid1 for root/boot cos this machine is going to be, amongst other things, a mail server
[07:59] <mpq> primary?
[07:59] <Mongol_Samurai> i see
[07:59] <TheMuso> Yes.
[07:59] <TheMuso> Then you have to enter the size.
[07:59] <TheMuso> Which you want to be half the size of what it was.
[07:59] <choicear> i installed java runtime environment and the plugin for firefox, but when i try to open a page with a java applet, it still says "This page contains information of a type (application/x-java-vm) that can only be viewed with the appropriate Plug-in." What is the appropriate plugin and how do i install it?
[08:00] <mpq> beginning?
[08:00] <TheMuso> Yes.
[08:00] <mpq> bootable?
[08:00] <TheMuso> No. Press b to turn that off.
[08:00] <BiteMeBill> choicear: #4 http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[08:00] <mpq> what do I do with it now?
[08:00] <cef> Mongol_Samurai: annoying thing is, I know that the debian testing installer from before warty's release can do it.. so I knew it was a grub version problem
[08:01] <Mongol_Samurai> cef: any idea why make would me gining me syntax errors and telling me gcc failed?
[08:01] <TheMuso> Ok does it say Linux next to it?
[08:01] <BiteMeBill> choicear: thought you already did that and was looking for jre
[08:01] <mpq> yeah
[08:01] <null> ha okies thanks BiteMeBill
[08:01] <TheMuso> In the middle somewhere?
[08:01] <crimsun> Mongol_Samurai: because you probably need 'build-essential'
[08:01] <cef> Mongol_Samurai: what are you compiling?
[08:01] <TheMuso> Ok. With the arrows again, select write.
[08:01] <mpq> under FS Type
[08:01] <BiteMeBill> null: What did I do now?
[08:01] <Mongol_Samurai> crimsun: can i install that from APT?
[08:02] <null> cant find da torreent for ubunto
[08:02] <crimsun> Mongol_Samurai: absolutely.
[08:02] <mpq> what do I do with it now?
[08:02] <prisonmonkey> has anybody here successfully installed ubuntu warty on an OldWorld?
[08:02] <cef> Mongol_Samurai: yes.. not included in the default install cos most people aren't programmers
[08:02] <BiteMeBill> null: Oh ok..  I know someone that was hosting it but guess he shut them down for tonight,
[08:02] <TheMuso> Have you typed yes already and pressed enter?
[08:02] <mpq> yes
[08:03] <TheMuso> Ok. You should now have a partition with Linux about half the size of what it was, and a line with free space in the middle right?
[08:03] <mpq> yeah
[08:03] <TheMuso> Ok, press q to quit.
[08:03] <mpq> so what should I do now?
[08:03] <Mongol_Samurai> thanks much
[08:03] <TheMuso> Now I suggest rerunning cfdisk with sudo cfdisk to make sure the changes were saved.
[08:04] <prisonmonkey> can warty install on an OldWorld, or do you need to take another route?
[08:04] <Mongol_Samurai> crimsun: still doing it
[08:04] <mpq>  hda1                    Primary   Linux ext3                       29749.84
[08:04] <mpq> Pri/Log   Free Space                       29749.33
[08:05] <TheMuso> With free space as it was before you quit I guess. Thats good. Now press q again to quit.
[08:05] <Mongol_Samurai> crimsun: I already ran gcc on the whole shebang, then i did make depend with no problems... when i try to do the final make it gives me a long series of syntax errors about @ instead of , and then finally it gives me a few errors, tells me gcc failed, and exits
[08:05] <TheMuso> mpq but we are not quite done yet.
[08:05] <tezza> sudo mount -t smbfs //192.168.0.1/pro /home/terry/pro/ <-- why won't this work?
[08:06] <mpq> so what should I do now?
[08:06] <TheMuso> Ok. Type the following command: sudo resize2fs -F /dev/hda1
[08:06] <JJ995> i just installed ubuntu, it didnt recognize my ethernet card on install and now i cannot connect to the internet, it is an NE compatible ethernet card that works in debian, anyone know how i can get this to work?
[08:06] <mpq> The filesystem is already 14526154 blocks long.  Nothing to do!
[08:06] <Mongol_Samurai> JJ995 do you have the right drivers?
[08:07] <TheMuso> mpq ok hang on, I just need to check the documentation about something. Won't be a minute.
[08:07] <JJ995> Mongol: I am guessing no, but I am not sure. Ubuntu didnt seem to allow me to choose an NE driver from a list
[08:08] <Mongol_Samurai> jj995: what model card is it?
[08:08] <TheMuso> mpq ok. Run the following command: e2fsck -f /dev/hda1
[08:09] <mpq> e2fsck: Permission denied while trying to open /dev/hda1
[08:09] <mpq> You must have r/w access to the filesystem or be root
[08:09] <Mongol_Samurai> mpq: run that command with sudo
[08:09] <TheMuso> sorry. I meant this: sudo e2fsck -f /dev/hda1
[08:09] <mpq> I realized I should have done sudo after I typed it
[08:10] <Mongol_Samurai> can anyone help me with an error i'm having with make while trying to install wine?
[08:10] <TheMuso> Mongol_Samurai: Why not fetch wine from the Ubuntu repository?
[08:10] <JJ995> mongol: it is an old linksys card
[08:11] <Mongol_Samurai> TheMuso for some reason it isn't showing up as there. Winetools is there, but Wine isn't
[08:11] <Mongol_Samurai> JJ995 are you on that machine?
[08:11] <JJ995> yes
[08:11] <mpq> should it take this long?
[08:11] <Mongol_Samurai> JJ995 run lspci
[08:11] <TheMuso> mpq yes.
[08:12] <Mongol_Samurai> JJ995 see if it lists the card, and if so tell me what model number it is
[08:12] <TheMuso> Mongol_Samurai: Are you running warty?
[08:12] <Mongol_Samurai> TheMuso yes
[08:12] <TheMuso> Mongol_Samurai: Have you enabled the universe repository?
[08:12] <Mongol_Samurai> TheMuso i don't know, how do i do that?
[08:12] <mpq> okay, it's done
[08:13] <JJ995> mongol: no, it doesnt list it
[08:13] <TheMuso> mpq ok reboot back into ubuntu and make sure it is working properly.
[08:13] <TheMuso> Mongol_Samurai: How do you usually install packages?
[08:13] <mpq> ok
[08:14] <Mongol_Samurai> TheMuso through graphical Synaptic Package Manager
[08:14] <Mongol_Samurai> JJ995: i don't suppose you know what model it is then
[08:14] <BiteMeBill> Mongol_Samurai: does this look familiar? http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[08:15] <JJ995> mongol: i could take the card out and check
[08:15] <GammaRay> what "kernel source/header" package would I need to iinstall the nvidia driver through their .run file?
[08:15] <BiteMeBill> JJ995: are you in Ubuntu roght now or Windoz?
[08:15] <Mongol_Samurai> JJ995: i think i used to know the way to fix this, but it isn't coming to me right now... let me finish something else, then i'll see what i can do
[08:16] <TheMuso> GammaRay: What kernel are you running? If you don't know, type uname -r to find out.
[08:16] <JJ995> i am running my mac right now, and ubuntu is beside me
[08:16] <Mongol_Samurai> BitemeBill: no. Should i add it to my repositories list?
[08:16] <BiteMeBill> Mongol_Samurai: Yes
[08:17] <BiteMeBill> JJ995: I'm not familiar with Mac can that run an exe that runs on windoz?
[08:17] <GammaRay> TheMuso: I know. On mdk and rh there is a package called kernel-source.. what is the the deb equivalent?
[08:17] <JJ995> bite: probably not, i could boot up windows though
[08:17] <TheMuso> GammaRay: linux-headers-version
[08:17] <BiteMeBill> JJ995: Your ubuntu is a dual boot?
[08:18] <JJ995> bite: yeah
[08:18] <TheMuso> GammaRay: So if you were running a 686 kernel from warty for example, it would be linux-headers-2.6.8.1-4-686
[08:18] <GammaRay> TheMuso: ok.. i'll try that
[08:18] <mpq> it didn't boot
[08:18] <mpq> I got an "Error 24"
[08:18] <mpq> I'm on the live cd now
[08:18] <TheMuso> mpq: What was the message?
[08:19] <mpq> Error 24
[08:19] <mpq> there was no message
[08:19] <BiteMeBill> JJ995: boot it up and then do a search for aida32 and download it..  And then do a complete text report on your machine and save a copy it will tell you everything you will want/need to know about that machine.  If you can't find where to download it at let me know and I will send it to you.
[08:19] <mpq> does it have something to do with the partitioning?
[08:19] <TheMuso> mpq did grub even come up?
[08:19] <mpq> yeah
[08:19] <mpq> then it stopped
[08:19] <JJ995> bite: ok, thanks
[08:20] <TheMuso> mpq ok. Open a terminal, cd to the /media directory and run sudo mkdir ubuntu
[08:20] <BiteMeBill> JJ995: Might want to even burn the uncompressed program to a cd.  it's come in handy many many times.
[08:20] <BiteMeBill> JJ995: your welcome.
[08:20] <mpq> yeah?
[08:20] <TheMuso> mpq sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/ubuntu
[08:21] <BiteMeBill> I think it is the first thing someone should be before installing the a Linux OS so they know what they have completely.
[08:21] <mpq> now what?
[08:21] <TheMuso> mpq cd /media/ubuntu and then run ls and see if you have directories there.
[08:21] <Mongol_Samurai> BiteMeBill: for that repository entry, is the #extrarepositories part of the URI, or is it the Distribution directory?
[08:21] <mpq> yeah
[08:22] <TheMuso> mpq ok. Type sudo chroot .
[08:22] <BiteMeBill> Mongol_Samurai: That will be your sources.list
[08:22] <mpq> chroot: /bin/bash: Input/output error
[08:23] <TheMuso> mpq ok try it this way. sudo chroot /media/ubuntu /bin/bash
[08:23] <BiteMeBill> Mongol_Samurai: the top section is what it looks like at default and then the #4 is what you will edit into yours.
[08:23] <mpq> same error
[08:23] <TheMuso> mpq ok. We will have to do things a little differently then.
[08:23] <Mongol_Samurai> BiteMeBill: Oh, i get it. thanks.
[08:24] <TheMuso> I think I made a slight mistake in the order we do things.
[08:24] <BiteMeBill> Mongol_Samurai: Your welcome.
[08:24] <TheMuso> Get out of the /media/ubuntu directory.
[08:24] <mpq> ok
[08:24] <Dreamer3> who here uses xfce 4.2 on ubuntu?
[08:24] <BiteMeBill> Dreamer3: Oh wake up.
[08:24] <TheMuso> mpq type sudo umount /media/ubuntu
[08:25] <mpq> k
[08:25] <TheMuso> ok run sudo cfdisk /dev/hda
[08:25] <BiteMeBill> 3 1/2 more hours and it will be 3 days with no sleep and it's all ubuntus fault.
[08:26] <mpq> what do I do now?
[08:26] <TheMuso> Ok. Make a note of the size of the hda1 partition.
[08:27] <mpq> noted
[08:27] <TheMuso> mpq ok. Press D on the hda1 partition to delete it. Then with the arrows, select new.
[08:27] <mpq> k
[08:27] <TheMuso> mpq then select primary, and press enter on the size that it gives you.
[08:28] <mpq> okay...
[08:28] <mpq> that seems like a step backwards...
[08:28] <TheMuso> mpq it is. I am back tracking from where we originally were, because I think I got you to run the resize2fs command at the wrong time.
[08:28] <TheMuso> mpq ok select beginning.
[08:28] <TheMuso> You should now have no free space mentioned there anywhere.
[08:29] <mpq> right
[08:29] <mpq> I didn't have to select beginning because it was the only space
[08:29] <TheMuso> mpq right. Select the write command and type yes.
[08:29] <tuananh> hi all, my Ubuntu box is running fine, however I cannot listen to music, don't really know why, Gnome will gives wonderful sounds
[08:29] <tuananh> when I play xmms it just does not give sound
[08:29] <mpq> now what?
[08:30] <trollied> :reboots into Hoary. *fingers crossed*
[08:30] <TheMuso> Press q to quit cfdisk.
[08:30] <randabis> tuananh, check the output plugin
[08:30] <randabis> tuananh, set it to esound
[08:30] <Mongol_Samurai> BiteMeBill: Some of those resources on that page weren't found, and Wine still isnt' available
[08:30] <mpq> now what?
[08:30] <Mongol_Samurai> BiteMeBill: it found wine-doc, but not just plain wine
[08:30] <tuananh> randabis: how can I check, sorry I am a newbie
[08:31] <TheMuso> mpq ok. Run the following command: sudo resize2fs -F /dev/hda1 and put the size of the partition that you noted earlier.
[08:31] <BiteMeBill> Mongol_Samurai: HUH?  I show it fine.
[08:31] <TheMuso> at the end of the command.
[08:31] <randabis> right-click xmms --> options --> preferences
[08:31] <TheMuso> followed by M
[08:31] <randabis> that's for u tuananh
[08:31] <Mongol_Samurai> BiteMeBill: rim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz: Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz: No such file or directory  '
[08:31] <Mongol_Samurai> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz: Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz: No such file or directory  '
[08:31] <Mongol_Samurai> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz: Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz: No such file or directory  '
[08:31] <Mongol_Samurai> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/warty-backports/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:31] <Mongol_Samurai> http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/dists/warty-backports/universe/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found
[08:31] <randabis> bah
[08:31] <TheMuso> So it would be sudo resize2fs -F /dev/hda1 sizeM
[08:31] <mpq> resize2fs: bad filesystem size - 29749.84M
[08:31] <Mongol_Samurai> whoops, sorry everyone
[08:32] <TheMuso> mpq ok do the same thing, but remove the .84 and make sure the M is on the end.
[08:32] <mpq> The containing partition (or device) is only 7263136 (4k) blocks.
[08:32] <mpq> You requested a new size of 7615744 blocks.
[08:33] <TheMuso> Ok. What was the size you entered again/
[08:33] <mpq> 29749
[08:33] <JJ995> bitemebill: I ran AIDA32 and it told me that my Network Adaptor is NE2000 Compatible, do you know how I can set that up to work in Ubuntu?
[08:34] <TheMuso> mpq ok, type this command: sudo resize2fs -F /dev/hda1
[08:35] <mpq> it told me to run e2fsck
[08:35] <mpq> I tried to and I got an error
[08:35] <TheMuso> mpq ok run sudo e2fsck -f /dev/hda1
[08:35] <BiteMeBill> JJ995: It doesn't show the exact model?
[08:35] <mpq> The filesystem size (according to the superblock) is 14526154 blocks
[08:35] <mpq> The physical size of the device is 7263136 blocks
[08:35] <mpq> Either the superblock or the partition table is likely to be corrupt!
[08:36] <TheMuso> mpq anything else?
[08:36] <mpq> it asked if I wanted to abort
[08:36] <mpq> so I did
[08:36] <TheMuso> mpq run the command again and don't abort.
[08:36] <mpq> ok
[08:36] <JJ995> Bill: under PnP devices, it is called AXE2201, SN 2000C Ethernet Adapter
[08:37] <BiteMeBill> JJ995: Give me a few minutes I will be right back.
[08:37] <mpq> Error reading block 7274503 (Invalid argument) while doing inode scan.  Ignore error<y>?
[08:38] <TheMuso> mpq enter n
[08:38] <mpq> it aborted
[08:39] <TheMuso> ok I screwed up here somewhere. :( Let me think...
[08:40] <TheMuso> mpq ok. Sorry about this, I am learning too here. :)
[08:40] <TheMuso> Run sudo cfdisk /dev/hda again.
[08:41] <mpq> it says there's one big partition again
[08:41] <TheMuso> That is because we changed it. Delete that, by pressing D.
[08:41] <TheMuso> Then select new, primary, and enter the size you noted earlier.
[08:41] <Dreamer3> jdub: hello?
[08:42] <mpq> ok, what now?
[08:42] <TheMuso> mpq so you have the partition back to what it was before with the free space?
[08:42] <mpq> yeah
[08:42] <TheMuso> Ok, select write, and type yes and then press q to quit.
[08:43] <tuananh> ubuntu still uses Firefox 0.9?
[08:44] <mpq> now what?
[08:44] <TheMuso> mpq ok run sudo resize2fs -F /dev/hda1
[08:44] <TheMuso> then sudo e2fsck -f /dev/hda1
[08:45] <mpq> I got the same error
[08:45] <TheMuso> mpq with what?
[08:45] <mpq> something is corrupt
[08:46] <TheMuso> mpq but with what command?
[08:46] <mpq> resize2fs told me to run e2fsck first
[08:46] <mpq> and then e2fsck said something is corrupt
[08:46] <TheMuso> right.
[08:46] <TheMuso> did it give you the option of aborting or ignoring?
[08:46] <mpq> yes
[08:47] <TheMuso> ok. Run e2fsck again like above, and if it asks to abort, say no, and if it asks to ignore, say yes.
[08:47] <BiteMeBill> JJ995: you still here?
[08:48] <mpq> Error reading block 7274503 (Invalid argument) while doing inode scan.  Ignore error<y>?
[08:48] <JJ995> bill: Yes.
[08:48] <TheMuso> mpq ignore it.
[08:48] <mpq> Force rewrite?
[08:48] <TheMuso> mpq yes.
[08:49] <mpq> it's getting an error reading every block
[08:49] <Anubis> now I'm in dependecy hell
[08:49] <JJ995> no, i just burned a live cd, i'll give it a shot
[08:49] <Anubis> I'm starting to get upset now
[08:49] <ompaul> to achive this level of ignorance takes something special :) currently  I have my warty live cd all nice and downloaded - I am currently seeding it - what happens to the clients if my machine falls off the internet - the reason I ask is I would like to turn off the machine and move it but do not want to cause grief of those downstream
[08:49] <Anubis> I need the "force" cmd to uninstall and install by force
[08:49] <BiteMeBill> JJ995: I think that card isn't compatable it's a clone...  I have one sitting here and I think that was my problem with it.
[08:50] <Anubis> to hell with these dependecies
[08:50] <ompaul> that was bittorrent related if you have not guessed
[08:50] <mpq> I'm getting a read error on every block now
[08:50] <JJ995> Bill: yeah, it is a NE2000 clone
[08:50] <TheMuso> mpq, ok abort. And I will give you a new command.
[08:50] <BiteMeBill> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/nic.html
[08:50] <JJ995> Bill: but it works with Linux, I had debian running with it fine a week ago.
[08:50] <BiteMeBill> Is it a linksys?
[08:51] <JJ995> Bill: yes
[08:51] <BiteMeBill> Hmmm...
[08:51] <mpq> what if I just installed windows on the existing partition and installed ubuntu on the free space?
[08:52] <TheMuso> mpq would you mind doing so?
[08:52] <mpq> what do you mean, "would I mind"?
[08:52] <TheMuso> I just thought resizing would be quicker. If so, I will give you a few instructions to get things going.
[08:52] <mpq> ok
[08:52] <TheMuso> ok. Run sudo cfdisk /dev/hda
[08:53] <BiteMeBill> JJ995: I'm a bit slow..  I broke a tooth and am trying to get the pain to go away...
[08:53] <BiteMeBill> and help you and Mongel
[08:53] <mpq> it says hda1 is ext3
[08:53] <JJ995> Bill: I need to get to sleep, thanks for your help. Maybe I'll come back tomorrow.
[08:53] <TheMuso> mpq ok, delete all partitions.
[08:53] <mpq> all?
[08:53] <mpq> including the swap partition?
[08:54] <TheMuso> Yes. if you are going to re-install windows, the way I have in mind is probably the easiest way to do it.
[08:54] <mpq> I want to have free space to install ubuntu afterward
[08:54] <TheMuso> this is if you are prepared to re-install ubuntu again.
[08:54] <mpq> the last time I couldn't install ubuntu without deleting windows
[08:54] <mpq> because the entire disk was ntfs
[08:54] <TheMuso> mpq well we are about to work around that now.
[08:54] <Anubis> Header files related to Linux kernel version 2.6.10 selecting this for removal tells me it will take my K7 headers as well why?
[08:55] <mpq> delete all the partitions now?
[08:55] <TheMuso> so delete all partitions. Then create a new partition with the size you want XP to be.
[08:55] <mpq> ok
[08:55] <mpq> now what?
[08:56] <TheMuso> So the partition is cretaed, but has Linux for FS type. Press t to go into the type option. You will get several lists of file types. Press enter once ot go to the second page, and type 0B. Then press enter.
[08:57] <mpq> W95 FAT32?
[08:57] <TheMuso> mpq that is right. When you back to the partition screen, press w and type yes to write the changes.
[08:58] <mpq> ok
[08:58] <mpq> should I quit now?
[08:58] <TheMuso> ok quit cfdisk with q.
[08:58] <rubixXx> hello, when trying to burn the ubuntu iso image with k3b i get an error 254 with cdrecord, and something about mkiofs error
[08:58] <Mongol_Samurai> TheMuso: don't you ahve to write it first with w
[08:58] <TheMuso> Mongol_Samurai: We did that.
[08:59] <TheMuso> mpq now type the following command: sudo mksofs -F 32 /dev/hda1
[08:59] <Mongol_Samurai> TheMuso: sorry, i missed that
[08:59] <mpq> sudo: mksofs: command not found
[08:59] <TheMuso> This will put a FAT32 filesystem on the partition. When it comes time to install XP, in the partition setup it should show you that. Pressing enter on that will allow you to select FAT32 or NTFS.
[09:00] <TheMuso> Sorry it should be sudo mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/hda1
[09:01] <mpq> should I install XP now?
[09:01] <rubixXx> make sure your xp partition is first
[09:01] <TheMuso> mpq yes. As I said earlier, the XP set up will show you that it is a FAT32 partition with the size you chose. Press enter on that and choose NTFS if you want that.
[09:01] <mpq> do I want NTFS?
[09:01] <TheMuso> Ten when you install Ubuntu again, you should be able to choose an option to use existing free space.
[09:02] <mpq> it seems that NTFS is hard to work with
[09:02] <jdub> if you're installing hoary
[09:02] <ompaul> mpq if you want to use XP then yes
[09:02] <jdub> warty didn't do that
[09:02] <mpq> ok
[09:02] <jdub> ;)
[09:02] <mpq> so I'm done with the live cd now?
[09:02] <TheMuso> mpq yes.
[09:02] <mpq> ok
[09:02] <mpq> it will take me a while to install both
[09:03] <mpq> I'll come back when it's done
[09:03] <ompaul> mpq the most important thing is not to let XP write to the full disk when it is setting up
[09:03] <TheMuso> mpq I am sorry about everything. I was learning too and I knwo better for next time. Don't hesitate to ask for my help again should you need it.
[09:03] <TheMuso> Hope you can accept apologies for something like this. :)
[09:03] <TheMuso> Too late.
[09:04] <jblack> TheMuso: Can you help me clean the gunk off my shower wall?
[09:04] <siridhar> Muso, do you happen to know how to edit my grub.conf so I can add an entry for windoze XP in it?
[09:04] <jblack> siridhar: there's not one already there?
[09:05] <jblack> siridhar: btw, one typically edits /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:05] <siridhar> jblack, I haven't checked it. But I suspect it's not there 'cos when I boot up the system it doesn't ask me whether I want to go in windows or ubuntu
[09:06] <jblack> siridhar: Oh, that may be too short of a default. pull up /boot/grub/menu.lst (you'll need to be root)
[09:06] <siridhar> to switch to root, do I type: sudo root
[09:06] <jblack> sure
[09:07] <jblack> possibly sudo su root
[09:07] <siridhar> I don't have the comp here (now am at office). What's the password if it asks for one?
[09:07] <siridhar> I haven't set any during the installation
[09:07] <siridhar> I set a userid and password for another account, not root
[09:07] <jblack> should be the same, if it asks for one.
[09:07] <siridhar> k
[09:07] <ironwolf> sirdhar: sudo -s will give you a root prompt, enter your login password
[09:08] <johns_> I really dislike sudo
[09:08] <jblack> johns: sudo passwd root. :)
[09:08] <johns_> first thing I did jblack :)
[09:08] <Mongol_Samurai> you know, you can just do "su"
[09:08] <jblack> johns: me too. :)
[09:09] <johns_> Although, I use sudo for some of my colegues so they can reboot or restart samba without becoming root
[09:09] <jblack> anyways, make sure in /boot/grub/menu.lst, the timeout is long enough that you can choose. Then, if necessary, add a stanza for windows at the end. (thats too long to paste here)
[09:09] <siridhar> After I type "vi /boot/grub/menu.lst", what and where should I add a line to show windows XP boot entry?
[09:09] <ironwolf> Rythmbox expert anyone?  I'm getting -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) when trying to listen to a live365.com stream.  This is what strace says.
[09:10] <johns_> isn't there a 'bootadmin' program in ubuntu? there is one in debian sarge
[09:12] <ompaul> the program name is boot-admin on sarge
[09:12] <Welly> Hello all
[09:12] <ompaul> for what its worth :)
[09:13] <ompaul> Welly, hi there
[09:13] <Mongol_Samurai> Welly welly welly welly wellll....
[09:13] <Welly> just installed ubuntu last night, which went pretty smoothly, am proper chuffed! just a couple of queries on boot up.. i'm getting a couple of errors when I think some modules are loading
[09:13] <ompaul> as I said already to achive this level of ignorance takes something special :) currently  I have my warty live cd all nice and downloaded - I am currently seeding it - what happens to the clients if my machine falls off the internet - the reason I ask is I would like to turn off the machine and move it but do not want to cause grief of those downstream
[09:13] <Welly> I get FATAL: PCIEHP and SHPCHP - operation not permitted
[09:14] <Welly> bit more to it than that but those are the modules/drivers i'm getting errors wtith
[09:15] <Welly> and the one other problem is with booting windows 2k from the grub loader - getting filesystem type unknown: partition type 0x7
[09:16] <Mongol_Samurai> Who can help me with compiler problems with make while trying to install Wine?
[09:16] <ironwolf> Mongol_Samurai: didn't apt-get install wine work? :)
[09:16] <johns_> Welly: try setting the drives to LBA in the bios
[09:16] <Welly> ok i'll give that a whirl
[09:17] <johns_> if it isn't allready
[09:17] <johns_> but it worked for me
[09:17] <Welly> ok.. i'll have to try it tonight when I get home :)
[09:17] <Mongol_Samurai> ironwolf no, wine isn't showing up in my APT lists
[09:17] <ironwolf> Mongol_Samurai: warty or hoary?
[09:18] <Welly> actually just done some reading, i don't think that is the error, it just doesn't boot :S
[09:18] <Welly> i think i'll take this doc home with me and give it a go
[09:19] <poopy> k3b without mp3 support? are you kidding me?
[09:19] <ironwolf> Mongol_Samurai: wine is in universe, you need to add that to /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:20] <Mongol_Samurai> ironwolf warty, and i did, my apt is being tempermental
[09:20] <johns_> Welly: I've had that problem a few times. The one big disapointment in ubuntu is (for me) that the bootloader installation sucks just as hard as debians
[09:21] <johns_> anyway, in the case of that unknown fs type, my suggestion worked
[09:21] <Welly> ahh ok.. :) it didn't really offer much in the way of options.. it just said "we've detected a windows 2000/xp installation, would you like to add it to the bootloader?" and I said yes and that was about it
[09:21] <ironwolf> Mongol_Samurai: apt-get update should work, if it doesn't, recheck /etc/apt-sources.
[09:21] <Welly> ok, thanks john, i'll try that
[09:21] <johns_> or about 10 ;)
[09:21] <traanf> anyone know a graphic version of sftp? or ssh file transfer?
[09:22] <Mongol_Samurai> ironwolf: it isn't working, i've been working on that problem for a while now. Can you help me with installing the source?
[09:22] <Welly> i'm quite impressed with how smoothly the install went..
[09:22] <ompaul> johns_ would that be for values of 10?
[09:22] <traanf> I need to use sftp or ssh quite often and the command line tools are real inconvenient
[09:23] <Welly> oh for using ndiswrapper for my wireless lan card, do i want to be using the win2k drivers or 98?
[09:23] <jdub> traanf: your file manager!
[09:23] <jdub> traanf: Places > Connect to server...
[09:24] <Mongol_Samurai> does anyone know if there are any modules you can install that let warty mount a HFS+ filesystem? I wanna ccess my Mac partition from linux desktop
[09:24] <traanf> jdub: oh Gnome can do that, thanks, let me try
[09:27] <johns_> ompaul: what do you mean exactly with values of 10?
[09:27] <rubixXx> i'm having trouble burning a cd, my error results will be pasted in #flood
[09:27] <IamJacksUsername> Ubuntu 5.04 array 3.5 liveCD: I created a dir called "suse" inside /home/ubuntu/ and as root ran:
[09:27] <IamJacksUsername> mount -r -t exts /dev/hda1 /home/ubuntu/suse
[09:27] <IamJacksUsername> which gave the error:
[09:27] <IamJacksUsername> mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /home/ubuntu/suse busy
[09:27] <IamJacksUsername> A friend tried the same mount command (without the read-only setting) and could access his mandrake harddisk
[09:28] <traanf> jdub: when I do Connect to Server..., it just creates a link on the desktop and I cannot open that
[09:28] <jdub> traanf: weird
[09:29] <traanf> jdub: thanks anyway :)
[09:29] <ironwolf> jdub: is rhythmbox designed to be able to connect to live365.com streams?  If so, who do I poke about it?  If not, what would you recommend?
[09:30] <jdub> dunno
[09:30] <jdub> poke the rhythmbox team
[09:31] <ironwolf> jdub: where do I find the rythmbox team?
[09:32] <jdub> #rhythmbox on gimpnet, the rhythmbox mailing list, google for rhythmbox, etc., etc.
[09:32] <jdub> google is faster than me
[09:33] <ironwolf> thanks jdub.
[09:37] <poopy> is it just me or is k3b lacking mp3 support?
[09:37] <ultrafunk> Mongol_Samurai: have you tried loading the hfsplus kernel module?
[09:37] <Mongol_Samurai> lol
[09:37] <Mongol_Samurai> no, thanks
[09:40] <ultrafunk> Mongol_Samurai: you'll also want to install the hfsutils and hfsplus packages if you want to actually *do* anything with your filesystems, by the way
[09:43] <ompaul> johns_, sorry got called for breakfast - you said about 10 therefore the value of 10 varied to whatever level of installs you did :)
[09:43] <Amaranth> what is array 4?
[09:44] <jdub> one of the regular test releases
[09:44] <jdub> versioned
[09:45] <Amaranth> ah
[09:45] <jdub> you gotta figure out what array means :)
[09:48] <Se7h> does anyone use pythoncard?
[09:50] <Amaranth> jdub: It's 2:48am, can I pull the tired card here and just get the answer? :D
[09:50] <Amaranth> jdub: btw, when did the lugradio guys say you were completely worthless?
[09:50] <jdub> Amaranth: no way dude
[09:50] <ompaul> Amaranth,  na it is 8:48 am :)
[09:51] <jdub> Amaranth: they sang "WAR!" before my bit
[09:51] <jdub> Amaranth: my last name is waugh
[09:51] <Amaranth> yeah, i heard that part
[09:51] <jdub> i hear that a lot
[09:51] <Amaranth> hehe
[09:51] <Amaranth> before that show i had no idea how to pronounce it
[09:55] <mon> Hi, nautilus-cd-burner tells me to insert a (r, rw) medium when i want to burn an iso file when i've already inserted it... a known problem?
[09:55] <Amaranth> mon: I know I had that problem once.
[09:56] <Thom_Ubuntu> ...and i now see in my mail that ubuntu-sparc is now officially announced on ubuntu-devel :D
[09:56] <Amaranth> mon: Dunno if it's known to the developers though.
[09:56] <Amaranth> ubuntu-sparc? why?
[09:56] <Thom_Ubuntu> erm, why not?
[09:56] <Amaranth> How many desktop machines actually use sparc processors?
[09:56] <Thom_Ubuntu> there is no decent linux distro for sparc, so ubuntu fills a gap
[09:56] <Thom_Ubuntu> mine does :)
[09:57] <Amaranth> wait, are you the ubuntu dev thom?
[09:57] <Thom_Ubuntu> no
[09:57] <mjr> oo, ubuntu-sparc
[09:58] <Amaranth> Thom_Ubuntu: You should use Solaris 10, I hear it's really nice. ;)
[09:58] <mjr> ...now, if I'd just dream up a productive _use_ for one of my old and slow sparcstations ;)
[09:58] <Amaranth> It uses the Java Desktop System (GNOME hacked up badly)
[09:58] <Thom_Ubuntu> ive used solaris 9-- solaris is slower than linux on my machine (dont wanna start a flamewar, but thats my experience)
[09:59] <mon> Amaranth: never solved it or posted a bug?
[09:59] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[09:59] <Amaranth> mon: Nope, the machine with hoary doesn't have net access and it was a week ago. I forgot all about it.
[10:01] <CaptNemo> hello everyone
[10:09] <TheMuso> Mongol_Samurai: Did you work out your wine issues?
[10:09] <Mongol_Samurai> no
[10:10] <Mongol_Samurai> i've got both ironwolf and BiteMeBill crunching with me on them, they're illogical
[10:10] <TheMuso> Have you checked for anything to do with universe in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:10] <Mongol_Samurai> spock would frenzy if he tried to figure this out
[10:10] <amin> hello
[10:10] <Mongol_Samurai> man, i've checked that file more times than you can shake a stick at
[10:10] <BiteMeBill> Mongol_Samurai: the next thing I would try to rule out is the DNS issue.
[10:11] <TheMuso> Mongol_Samurai: If you haven't worked it out by the time I get back I will see what I can do.
[10:11] <amin> i have a problem on "xorg + warty + gtk-dev"
[10:11] <Mongol_Samurai> two other people are using identical copies o that file with no problems, but im getting 404 errors from he servers
[10:11] <BiteMeBill> The_Muso: he is even using a copy off of mine system.
[10:11] <amin> I cannot install gtk1.2-dev on my warty after installing xorg!! any idea
[10:12] <amin> it depends on libx11-dev and libxi, but they are not going to be installed
[10:12] <BiteMeBill> Mongol_Samurai: Did you try changing the DNS servers?
[10:12] <amin> u hear me?
[10:13] <amin> anyone facing the same?
[10:13] <BiteMeBill> amin: I can't hear you but I can read what you are saying.  And I have no clue.
[10:14] <amin> i think the problem is with in xorg + gtk?
[10:14] <BiteMeBill> Mongol_Samurai: does this give you a 404 in your browser?  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html
[10:14] <amin> without upgrading to xorg everthung seems ok
[10:14] <AndyR> mornin' all
[10:15] <Mongol_Samurai> nope
[10:15] <Mongol_Samurai> i think the DNS might have done it, APT looks like it's working
[10:15] <BiteMeBill> You see the blue page then??
[10:15] <Mongol_Samurai> yeah
[10:15] <BiteMeBill> Are you using my dns servers?
[10:17] <Mongol_Samurai> yeah
[10:18] <Mongol_Samurai> ironwolf took some stuff out of my sources.list file, it seems to be working now
[10:18] <Mongol_Samurai> but wine still isn't showing up
[10:18] <BiteMeBill> Well see if you can get wine listed.
[10:18] <BiteMeBill> WTF
[10:18] <Dreamer3> ok, i can't switch themes with gnome
[10:18] <Dreamer3> it thinks, but nothing changes
[10:18] <BiteMeBill> ironwolf: what did you remove?
 ok, so I removed backports and marrillet stuffs from /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:19] <ironwolf> fine, don't let me type it. :p
[10:19] <BiteMeBill> LOL
[10:20] <scoon> ah
[10:20] <BiteMeBill> Yea he doesn't need that yet.
[10:20] <Mongol_Samurai> heheh
[10:20] <BiteMeBill> Doesn't make any sense at all.
[10:20] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmmmmm
[10:21] <ironwolf> noflex, it doesn't
[10:21] <Dreamer3> now the themes change sort of, but not the borders
[10:21] <BiteMeBill> A reboot would do anything would it?????
[10:22] <tatterdemalionpr> hey guys, if you host a dns then would that allow you to regester a domain for free?
[10:22] <BiteMeBill> Mongol_Samurai: ~$ sudo apt-get install wine does it still give the same errors
[10:22] <BiteMeBill> tatterdemalionpr: nope
[10:23] <tatterdemalionpr> grrr, who says they can charge for regestering a domain?
[10:23] <tatterdemalionpr> its my freakin ip!
[10:23] <Dreamer3> anyone
[10:23] <BiteMeBill> Al Gore did when he invented the internet
[10:24] <BiteMeBill> lol
[10:24] <tatterdemalionpr> al gore?!
[10:24] <Dreamer3> i'm really tired of restarting gnome when things stop working right :(
[10:24] <BiteMeBill> Oh your not in the states then.
[10:24] <Dreamer3> if i wanted to do that i'd go back to windows
[10:24] <tatterdemalionpr> heheh yeah i hear that brother
[10:25] <tatterdemalionpr> who is this damn dns commity who thinks they own the internet
[10:25] <tatterdemalionpr> im writing a letter!
[10:25] <Welly> i used to work with a guy who registered casino.com when domain names were free
[10:25] <Welly> he doesn't work anymore
[10:26] <ompaul> Welly, that gamble paid off?
[10:26] <Welly> yeah, he didn't do too badly out of the deal
[10:26] <sladen> I'll bed he did
[10:26] <ironwolf> BiteMeBill: Mongol_Samurai is going to hoary currently. :)
[10:26] <BiteMeBill> ironwolf: Ok...  This is are real stumper.
[10:27] <tatterdemalionpr> hmm, so where are these domain name requests sent then?
[10:27] <ompaul> apt-get install internet - I want to go off line for a few hours :)
[10:27] <Welly> ompaul, that was two really bad puns in two consectutive lines
[10:27] <tatterdemalionpr> where are the main ppl who are incharge of keeping the list of domains for the whole world
[10:27] <BiteMeBill> ironwolf: I'm guessing that he did either the update command or atleast clicked the update button in syna..
[10:27] <ironwolf> BiteMeBill: I can find a wine that's available for hoary, but not that's installable for warty, hence the upgrade.
[10:27] <ompaul> Welly, I could say well spotted but I won't ;-)
[10:27] <Welly> lol
[10:27] <tatterdemalionpr> i dont like this!! =oP
[10:28] <ompaul> tatterdemalionpr, have a look at some RFCs to see what happens
[10:28] <Welly> what are the pciehp and shpchp drivers?
[10:28] <Welly> because they fail to load on my system on boot up
[10:28] <tatterdemalionpr> damn... i feel dumb... what are RFC's?
[10:28] <Welly> request for comments?
[10:29] <Mongol_Samurai> i knew that one :P
[10:29] <Welly> before a standard or system is put in palce
[10:29] <Welly> place
[10:29] <ompaul> Welly, the first one has to do with hotplugging afik and the second oneI have no idea
[10:29] <Welly>  a document designed to outline a spec, i think
[10:29] <Welly> ok cheers ompaul
[10:30] <tatterdemalionpr> ompaul, what are RFCs?
[10:30] <Dreamer3> there we go
[10:30] <tatterdemalionpr> and just how big is that dns list nowadays?
[10:30] <esher> are there any alternative to nautilus-fileexplorer
[10:30] <Welly> cool.. the ubuntu wiki is pretty helpful in this matter
[10:30] <ompaul> tatterdemalionpr, Request For Comments
[10:30] <Dreamer3> i had to send HUP to metacity and it "woke up"
[10:31] <tatterdemalionpr> ompaul, what did you mean by have a look?
[10:31] <ompaul> tatterdemalionpr, documents that allow the design of new protocols and updating of existing ones -
[10:32] <tatterdemalionpr> ompaul, you mean to the "dns ppl"
[10:32] <Welly> tatter, RFCs are usual a document written prior to a system or standard being put in place
[10:32] <ompaul> tatterdemalionpr, the concept behind "have a look" is to glance at the item in question
[10:32] <Welly> oh, ompaul already said it
[10:32] <Welly> but i said before.. you just mustn't have believed me :)
[10:32] <Dreamer3> is there a way to just change a color in gnome? like in windows?
[10:32] <Dreamer3> or i have to pick a new theme?
[10:33] <tatterdemalionpr> where do i go to find such documents?
[10:33] <ompaul> dreamer, type gnome-control-centre in a terminal and enjoy the fun - be careful what you choose and commit to :)
[10:34] <tatterdemalionpr> and didn't theny ask anyone before setting these standards
[10:34] <Welly> tatter, on which subject?
[10:34] <tatterdemalionpr> the dns rant ive been going on
[10:34] <Welly> oh ok.. hmmm
[10:34] <tatterdemalionpr> =o)
[10:34] <Welly> http://www.dns.net/dnsrd/rfc/
[10:34] <Welly> there's a load there
[10:34] <ompaul> tatterdemalionpr, you can go and have a look at these by using a query on google if you want
[10:34] <Dreamer3> ompaul: am i dumb? i don't see a "colors"
[10:34] <tatterdemalionpr> these are the party responsible?
[10:35] <ompaul> tatterdemalionpr, they asked lost of people
[10:35] <tatterdemalionpr> really, and they agreed!? because there getting a cut
[10:35] <tatterdemalionpr> ...
[10:35] <Welly> ompaul, they probably only asked people who could make dollar from it
[10:35] <tatterdemalionpr> yeah
[10:35] <Dreamer3> i just want to change the window title bar color, not an unreasonable request
[10:36] <ompaul> dreamer, no you are not dumb but I would ask you to look at the options in front of you and see what you can discover - you can also (now that I remember it)  right click on the desktop
[10:36] <Welly> domain names used to cost a load of money.. it has come down in price since but all the same
[10:36] <BiteMeBill> Dreamer3: it can be done but I don't know how but I'm sure the information is on gnomes site or forums.
[10:36] <tatterdemalionpr> makes me angry... i dont like this pay-for type of stuff
[10:36] <ompaul> dreamer3 Themes is what you need to have a look at
[10:36] <Welly> i had a few domain names I wanted to register at the time but couldn't afford a host.. which sucks
[10:37] <Dreamer3> ompaul: yeah, i've looked at themes
[10:37] <Welly> i had this brilliant idea of registering a crazy name.. google.com
[10:37] <Dreamer3> BiteMeBill: i'm thinking it means i have to edita f ile by hand, and that's sad
[10:37] <BiteMeBill> tatterdemalionpr: You asked about domain names and dns didn't you.
[10:37] <Welly> i believe it's gone now though
[10:37] <tatterdemalionpr> we should get em
[10:37] <tatterdemalionpr> yeah
[10:38] <ompaul> tatterdemalionpr, what is your specific complaint or issue?
[10:38] <BiteMeBill> tatterdemalionpr: Are you getting a static line with your own block or IP's?
[10:38] <BiteMeBill> Dreamer3: thats half the fun.
[10:38] <tatterdemalionpr> i just started an apache http server, but i have a dynamic ip which sucks and i am doing this ip forwarding thing under some crappy domain
[10:39] <Dreamer3> BiteMeBill: um, yeah
[10:39] <BiteMeBill> tatterdemalionpr: I'm using no-ip.com right now.
[10:40] <tatterdemalionpr> but i feel i should beable to regester whatever domain i choose, like especially if i am hosting a dns also
[10:40] <BiteMeBill> You can register an domain name and use a set of DNS servers to point to your IP if you are static or if they will adjust it everytime it changes.
[10:40] <ironwolf> BiteMeBill: dyndns.org does exactly what you want.
[10:40] <tatterdemalionpr> assuming that i did have a static ip
[10:40] <BiteMeBill> ironwolf: Yep.
[10:40] <Welly> tatter, you can get a kind of client program which updates dyndns.org with your current ip
[10:40] <tatterdemalionpr> yeah i am using dyndns.org
[10:40] <Welly> automatically
[10:40] <Welly> oh ok
[10:40] <Welly> or your router can do it
[10:41] <Welly> possibly
[10:41] <BiteMeBill> tatterdemalionpr: at the same time you are hosting on your ISP's IP block.
[10:41] <tatterdemalionpr> yeah got one but its is-a-geek.com
[10:41] <tatterdemalionpr> subdomain=not cool
[10:41] <BiteMeBill> Didn't know ameritec allowed it..  Thought they were blocking ports.
[10:42] <BiteMeBill> Heck I used to have a *.serversbeer.com
[10:42] <tatterdemalionpr> really? mmm well assuming i had a more liberal isp
[10:42] <tatterdemalionpr> well thats a little cooler... but
[10:42] <Welly> tatter, dyndns.org supports custom domain names as well, i'm pretty sure about that
[10:43] <BiteMeBill> There is only a small handfull of isps that allow hosting on residentual lines now.
[10:43] <tatterdemalionpr> but the money issuse my friend
[10:43] <Welly> oh ok
[10:43] <Welly> hmm
[10:43] <ompaul> tatterdemalionpr well have a look at the Terms and conditions for your ISP and then figure if they are the company you want to be with
[10:43] <tatterdemalionpr> all i have is an internet connection and a computer
[10:43] <tatterdemalionpr> i wanna regester for free!
[10:44] <tatterdemalionpr> it should be that way and you all know it
[10:44] <Madeye> salam ubunters
[10:44] <tatterdemalionpr> am i right? or right! =o)
[10:44] <ompaul> tatterdemalionpr, I do not agree
[10:44] <BiteMeBill> tatterdemalionpr: go to godaddy.com and register a domain name for around $8 a yr and then find someone to host your dns...
[10:44] <tatterdemalionpr> are you recieving payment when someone regesters a domain?
[10:45] <ompaul> tatterdemalionpr, no
[10:45] <tatterdemalionpr> mmm
[10:45] <tatterdemalionpr> ok
[10:45] <tatterdemalionpr> well what if i was hostin a dns then should i be able to append my name to the list?
[10:46] <tatterdemalionpr> ompaul, ?
[10:46] <tatterdemalionpr> how do you feel about that?
[10:46] <ompaul> tatterdemalionpr, I pay godaddy like BiteMeBill suggests you do - and I pay for having a virtual linux box with an isp and I have my "linux desktops"
[10:46] <BiteMeBill> If I am the registar then I have to get the domains nameservers out to the other DNS servers so that things are found.
[10:47] <tatterdemalionpr> but i have my own server why would i want someone else to server for me
[10:47] <tatterdemalionpr> serve for me
[10:47] <Welly> only because someone else could probably do a better job and have a more reliable system
[10:47] <BiteMeBill> tatterdemalionpr: Administration and they have to worry about the up keep and uptimes.
[10:47] <Welly> thats why i have a host
[10:48] <ompaul> tatterdemalionpr, to share load and have some order or you would need a huge machine for every service to cope with the millions of records you would otherwise need to keep
[10:48] <BiteMeBill> ie: I would never put http://www.ntlrisk.com on my little home server.
[10:48] <ompaul> tatterdemalionpr, and you would need to update those records for every change on the internet
[10:48] <tatterdemalionpr> say i am the host
[10:49] <tatterdemalionpr> BiteMeBill, por que no?
[10:49] <ompaul> tatterdemalionpr, go find out how a top level domain works by asking uncle google reall this is off topic for #ubuntu
[10:49] <BiteMeBill> huh?
[10:50] <tatterdemalionpr> why not give your home computer that domain?
[10:50] <tatterdemalionpr> yeah i hear ya ompaul
[10:50] <ompaul> tatterdemalionpr, it does not need it
[10:50] <tatterdemalionpr> but it wants it
[10:50] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmm, the colors are GTK properties... wonder if there is some applet to let you edit those
[10:50] <tatterdemalionpr> linux is free and all that great software is also
[10:51] <tatterdemalionpr> thats why we all love it so, its a great philosophy
[10:51] <BiteMeBill> Cause that site has to have 99.999% uptime with no failures.
[10:51] <tatterdemalionpr> thats my computer since linux
[10:51] <tatterdemalionpr> =o)
[10:51] <BiteMeBill> Yes the software is free but the hardware isn't..  the services you can't do your self isnt'.
[10:52] <Welly> tatter, by all means host your own site.. but to do it properly and without problems, you're going to have to get a different connection to the net, ie. a static IP
[10:53] <Welly> but i suppose it depends on how important the site is.. whether it's business or just a mess about
[10:53] <tatterdemalionpr> yeah, thats another thing how could i be a part of the backbone, i mean litterally hooking up directly to some thing of the main internet computers
[10:53] <Welly> $$
[10:53] <tatterdemalionpr> nm, ive been up too long and drank far too much coffee
[10:53] <BiteMeBill> I host small things.. Like my blog and test sites and a few other things.  but nothing that can cost me if somehting goes wrong.
[10:53] <tatterdemalionpr> =oP
[10:53] <tatterdemalionpr> im sorry
[10:53] <Josip> how can I burn CDs from the LiveCD ? I get "Disc is busy" when I try to burn
[10:54] <BiteMeBill> Josip: Do you have two drives?
[10:54] <Josip> nope, only one
[10:54] <ompaul> josip you have a hard drive?
[10:54] <Josip> the laptop hasn't got a floppy drive (stupid IBM) so I can't make a boot disc
[10:54] <Josip> yes, I have
[10:54] <Josip> but I can't install Ubuntu
[10:54] <BiteMeBill> Josip: Then you just answered your own question,,,  The drive is busy running your machine
[10:55] <Josip> have to backup some data from winxp first (trying to boot it)
[10:55] <ompaul> ahhh
[10:55] <Josip> so I can erase all the partitions -_-
[10:55] <BiteMeBill> Josip: Are you on a network?
[10:55] <Josip> I haven't got a WinXP cd, so I can fixmbr/fixboot
[10:55] <Josip> on a network just with my modem ;-))
[10:56] <BiteMeBill> Oh.
[10:56] <BiteMeBill> It's an IBM?
[10:56] <tatterdemalionpr> man shit is gunna be so crazy when wireless gets to be everywhere accross the world
[10:56] <Josip> yes
[10:56] <tatterdemalionpr> err stuff
[10:56] <Josip> R50e , Centrion 1,5GHz
[10:56] <ompaul> Josip, so what you do is simple - you boot the machine connect it to a network and load the data to there - if you only have a modem then visit a friend and put it on their box most PCs have ethernet these days
[10:56] <BiteMeBill> Josip: Do you see an I386 file on the HDD?
[10:57] <Josip> I386 file?
[10:57] <tatterdemalionpr> you know how you can get signals just riding the bus with your laptop
[10:57] <BiteMeBill> tatterdemalionpr: Look into wimax....  It's not too far away.....  WEG
[10:57] <tatterdemalionpr> granted its only for a few blocks but
[10:58] <tatterdemalionpr> cool ill check it out
[10:58] <Josip> when I've reformatted the Win98 partition the boot loader (some stupid Intel Boot Agent) got fooked up
[10:58] <Adrenal> how do i upgrade to the new gnome?
[10:58] <Josip> I get a stupid error, can't rememver what
[10:58] <Josip> Adrenal, add hoary's repo , and apt-get update/upgrad
[10:58] <Josip> e
[10:58] <BiteMeBill> Josip: Yes do you see an directory on the HDD that is named I386
[10:58] <Josip> which partition ?
[10:58] <Adrenal> josip: hoary, hmm, heard some horror stories about that
[10:59] <Josip> the first partition is clear (the reformatted) the second one is for winxp (36gbs)
[10:59] <Adrenal> Josip: any word on when it will be on the back ports?
[10:59] <tatterdemalionpr> oh yeah thats what im talking about!! shazam!
[10:59] <tatterdemalionpr> wow
[10:59] <tatterdemalionpr> thanks for that BiteMeBill!
[10:59] <Welly> we've got wimax in the UK now.. or at least a few parts of the country does
[10:59] <tatterdemalionpr> thats so cool
[10:59] <BiteMeBill> Josip: what is going on the first partition?
[10:59] <tatterdemalionpr> lol
[10:59] <Josip> well, there _was_ windows 98
[10:59] <Welly> i think the big telecomms companies need to start getting scared
[11:00] <Josip> and I've formatted the partition
[11:00] <Josip> so, the Intel Boot Loader got fooked up
[11:00] <tatterdemalionpr> bye bye land line!
[11:00] <BiteMeBill> Josip: But what are you going to put on it now
[11:00] <Josip> nothing, I'm just trying to boot the windows xp partition
[11:00] <tatterdemalionpr> sheeeit
[11:01] <Josip> when I start the LiveCD , some GRUB is starting , but I can't load the partition with it
[11:01] <BiteMeBill> Welly, the telecomms are already nervous..  Look what the electric companies are working on.
[11:01] <Josip> hd0,4 but it doesn't work
[11:01] <tatterdemalionpr> beautiful.....
[11:01] <tatterdemalionpr> heheeh true that
[11:01] <Josip> i've done a setup(hd0) before, but still the same problem
[11:02] <Josip> I can't install GRUB from LiveCD
[11:02] <mpq> TheMuso: you there?
[11:02] <BiteMeBill> Josip: no but you could have repaired it from there
[11:02] <racoontje|clone> Damnit, ubuntu rocks.
[11:02] <Mr_Smiley> racoontje|clone!
[11:02] <Josip> BiteMeBill, hm ?
[11:03] <racoontje|clone> lol Mr_Smiley
[11:03] <racoontje|clone> Mr_Smiley, we meet again
[11:03] <Mr_Smiley> haha yeah
[11:03] <Mr_Smiley> very funny
[11:03] <racoontje|clone> Mr_Smiley, ubuntu is like every reason I prefer gentoo over debian in a debian-based distro
[11:04] <Mr_Smiley> haha
[11:05] <BiteMeBill> Josip: if you can look at your XP partion and see a directory named I386 then you could boot to a windows 98 floppy and install xp on the first partion just to save your informaion to cd.  Or you can install linux on the first partion and then mount the second partion save your information and then reformat the complete HDD and set it up like you want it.
[11:06] <Josip> I have NO floppy drive .
[11:06] <BiteMeBill> Windows 98 cd?
[11:07] <BiteMeBill> tatterdemalionpr: Are you still looking into that wimax?
[11:07] <rubixXx> yo
[11:07] <rubixXx> for some reason my ubuntu install doesn't recognize my keyboard
[11:07] <BiteMeBill> Josip: Do you have a windows 98 Cd?
[11:07] <Josip> I have a Windows98 CD, but as far as i can see it's not bootable
[11:08] <rubixXx> Josip, just use a win98 boot cd
[11:08] <rubixXx> and run SETUP.EXE from the cd
[11:08] <rubixXx> err boot floopy not boot cd
[11:08] <Josip> lol ;-) I've already said that I haven't got a floppy drive on the laptop
[11:08] <BiteMeBill> Josip: you set your bios to boot to the cd rom
[11:09] <Josip> BiteMeBill, how did I boot the live cd ? ;-)
[11:09] <BiteMeBill> Why not just run the setup from the I386 folder on the XP partition?
[11:10] <Josip> but how
[11:10] <Dreamer3> anyone here use .gtkrc-2.0 file to change colors, settings?
[11:10] <BiteMeBill> Josip: If it failed to find a boot loader on the hdd then it went to the CD if it's not set to boot to the cd first.
[11:11] <Dreamer3> ok, now i'm happy :)
[11:11] <BiteMeBill> Dreamer3: What did you do now?
[11:11] <ompaul> Josip, just install ubuntu and be done with it you know you won't look back in anger or even fondness of the crashes of yore and do what I suggested - or if you have some hosted space tarball and pgp encrypt the files you want from the win 98 partion and ftp them to somewhere else - if you have to use several somewheres use the split command and write down where you put what using the dead tree method that should allow you progress you
[11:11] <tatterdemalionpr> BiteMeBill, well i was wandering around my apt thinking about it =o)
[11:11] <ompaul> r situation
[11:11] <Dreamer3> BiteMeBill: i got it working :)
[11:11] <Josip> BiteMeBill, no no, the boot loader starts but it raises an error
[11:11] <tatterdemalionpr> jumping around and such
[11:11] <Dreamer3> BiteMeBill: changes th color with a .gtkrc file
[11:11] <tatterdemalionpr> =oD
[11:11] <Dreamer3> BiteMeBill: ~/.gtkrc-2.0
[11:11] <ompaul> s/pgp/gpg :-/
[11:12] <rubixXx> anyone know what i can do aobut my keyboard not loading, grub also fails to load 2 modules via the modprobe command with failed permissions
[11:12] <tatterdemalionpr> man security will be a big issue no
[11:12] <tatterdemalionpr> ?
[11:12] <Dreamer3> BiteMeBill: i just wanteda  little darker blue, now i'm happy
[11:12] <tatterdemalionpr> i got the classical station blairing as usual trippin out at the planet
[11:13] <tatterdemalionpr> i've stayed up far too late
[11:13] <ompaul> rubixXx, which keyboard have you got that it does not load?
[11:13] <tatterdemalionpr> its 4:13am
[11:13] <rubixXx> Josip, you want your boot process in this order : 1. Floppy; 2. CDROM (if multiple cd rom drives you acn select which ones), 3. HDD; 4. Network boot (if you don't need disable it)
[11:13] <BiteMeBill> Josip: Then search the forums and fix the grub if it is seeing it you maybe able to fix it and adjst it to boot the XP partition
[11:13] <rubixXx> logitech inav
[11:13] <BiteMeBill> Dreamer3: Kewl.
[11:13] <tatterdemalionpr> but wfmt rocks
[11:13] <rubixXx> ompaul, i havn't done anything with the OS yet its a base install
[11:13] <tatterdemalionpr> or swings or whatever classical music does
[11:13] <BiteMeBill> tatterdemalionpr: Another 45 minutes and it will be three days up.
[11:14] <BiteMeBill> Dreamer3: Now go do an how to in the forums for others to us.
[11:14] <BiteMeBill> use
[11:14] <tatterdemalionpr> ooooh... man, bussiness or pleasure
[11:14] <ompaul> rubixXx, so what keyboard is it you are having issues with?
[11:14] <rubixXx> ompaul, logitech inavigator
[11:15] <Amaranth> Dreamer3: What did you get working?
[11:15] <BiteMeBill> tatterdemalionpr: What do you consider Ubuntu and new meds?
[11:15] <siridhar> I want to download a windows 98 boot diskette to be able to fix the MBR so I can get in to XP, which version should I download @ http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm
[11:15] <rubixXx> tatterdemalionpr, its pleasure when we do business
[11:15] <Dreamer3> Amaranth: how to change the titlebar color in gnome :)
[11:15] <rubixXx> siridhar, can you get into linux
[11:15] <Amaranth> Dreamer3: Err, that's a theme engine change.
[11:15] <siridhar> rubixXx: yes, but only command prompt...no graphical interface :(
[11:15] <eco> Is sshd included with the Live CD?
[11:15] <Amaranth> Dreamer3: Should be in a . (hidden) file somewhere.
[11:16] <rubixXx> which bootloader
[11:16] <Dreamer3> Amaranth: ~/.gtkrc-2.0
[11:16] <tatterdemalionpr> BiteMeBill, hahahah =o) depends on who gave you the meds?
[11:16] <Amaranth> yeah
[11:16] <rubixXx> siridhar, what are you in right now
[11:16] <siridhar> rubixXx: grub. It doesn't show windows XP as boot entry option
[11:16] <eco> And if so, how do I start it?
[11:16] <tatterdemalionpr> BiteMeBill, 3 days straight?
[11:16] <BiteMeBill> tatterdemalionpr: Doc...  waiting for back surgery plus taking a phsyc pill for depression.
[11:16] <BiteMeBill> Yep
[11:17] <siridhar> rubixXx: I am not infront of my home PC. My home computer has become useless. I installed ubuntu fine, but grub won't show windows xp at boot time and I am stuck at $ in ubuntu where I don't know what to do
[11:17] <rubixXx> siridhar, just edit your grub config and add your windows device as a windows boot entry, i an't offer more specific advice because mandrake is my specialty, but try #LFD they may be able to render some assistance
[11:17] <BiteMeBill> Dreamer3: No go write that how too so I can do it later.
[11:17] <rubixXx> siridhar, have you tried pressing the key to show a menu
[11:17] <ompaul> rubixXx, I can't get a picture of that one - is it wireless and the docking bit is usb?
[11:17] <siridhar> rubixxx: yah, I pressed the key to show the menu and it has ubuntu, ubuntu recovery mode and something else but no windows xp
[11:17] <rubixXx> ompaul, its a usb keyboard plugged into my onboard usb port
[11:17] <tatterdemalionpr> BiteMeBill, hahah yeah there you go
[11:18] <rubixXx> siridhar, one moment
[11:18] <siridhar> k
[11:18] <TheMuso> mpq: How did it go?
[11:18] <ompaul> rubixXx, by any chance do you have a PS2 converter and port?
[11:19] <rubixXx> ompaul, perhaps
[11:19] <rubixXx> ompaul, i belive i do let me look
[11:19] <mpq> everything's working
[11:19] <ompaul> rubixXx, I would suggest that might just be what you need
[11:19] <mpq> it took forever to install xp though
[11:20] <rubixXx> ompaul, it would take hours to find it....
[11:20] <TheMuso> mpq good to hear.
[11:20] <rubixXx> ompaul, my usb mouse is detected fine, but not my keyboard
[11:20] <binks> hi all anyone in
[11:20] <mpq> still need to install a lot of programs on both operating systems
[11:20] <eco> One last try before I try Knoppix:
[11:20] <eco> Is sshd included with the Live CD?
[11:20] <rubixXx> siridhar, look at this i'm pasting to you
[11:20] <eco> And if so, how do I start it?
[11:20] <siridhar> ok
[11:21] <ompaul> rubixXx, from what I know it is pretty hit and miss with usb k/b and mouse issues
[11:21] <siridhar> can you give me its URL so I can take a print-out rubi?
[11:21] <ompaul> rubixXx, it would most likely be well worth your while to actually look for that little bit of kit
[11:21] <rubixXx> ompaul, perhaps changing aorund the usb keyboard/mouse would work?
[11:22] <rubixXx> ompaul, not sure if i pitched it or not
[11:22] <ompaul> rubixXx, it might
[11:22] <binks> am i wasting my time with warty or should  just go for oary
[11:22] <binks> hoary
[11:23] <ompaul> binks, have you got either of them?
[11:23] <binks> i have warty installed an on it at the mo
[11:23] <rubixXx> ompaul, are the usb devices detected at startup or during installation
[11:23] <binks> but cant make new install of a game no g++
[11:24] <ompaul> rubixXx, it needs to be detected at startup so you can do the installation
[11:24] <Dreamer3> BiteMeBill: too tired right now...and really "how to change your title bar color" is kind of a lame how-to, no?
[11:24] <binks> rubixxx my usb keyboard was recognise during install
[11:24] <rubixXx> binks, good for you
[11:24] <binks> wasnt being funny just info sorry
[11:24] <BiteMeBill> Dreamer3: Well weren't you trying to figure it out???  And asking here?
[11:24] <ompaul> dreamer2, if I may offer an opinion - it is not if someone does not know how to (excuse the pun in this case)
[11:25] <rubixXx> ompaul, my thing is though, does the installation look for usb devices at system startup, or put them into a config file during operating system installation
[11:25] <Dreamer3> ompaul: true :)
[11:25] <ompaul> right so time to get on with the day - 10:30 and rather little achived
[11:26] <ompaul> rubixXx, startup popluates /proc/usb with them so that they can be used as the day goes on
[11:27] <AndyR> another UK ubuntu user :)
[11:27] <ompaul> right so off to empty car bring it to garage and pray to the god of mechanics that it is not too serious the big banging I am hearing
[11:27] <ompaul> AndyR, where?
[11:27] <AndyR> you and me?
[11:27] <BiteMeBill> Dreamer3: So what do you think...  Are we going to see a Howto with your name on it?
[11:27] <AndyR> southampton here
[11:28] <ompaul> AndyR, I think the Irish republic is not in the UK :-) at least the last time I checked
[11:28] <Dreamer3> BiteMeBill: perhaps, but not tonight
[11:28] <rubixXx> ompaul, so if i switch the usb devices around i won't have to reinstall the OS
[11:28] <AndyR> well not at the mo :))
[11:29] <ompaul> rubixXx, I do not know the answer to that try it and see
[11:29] <ompaul> AndyR, hehe
[11:29] <BiteMeBill> Dreamer3: I know feeling...  Have no idea how I am still up...  Maybe it's this broken tooth...
[11:29] <ompaul> AndyR, as bazil brush would say boom boom!
[11:29] <AndyR> quite
[11:30] <binks> anyhow plz help to use the make cmd do i have to install g++ or anything else as i get an error afer make saying cant find g++
[11:31] <ompaul> AndyR, in cheap and cheerful dublin atm - we have a visit from Matt of lugradio here on Saturday  Staggs Head 5pm near the temple bar area might be fun if anyone from here wants to go there on Saturday :)
[11:31] <binks> bit far for me im in leeds
[11:31] <BiteMeBill> Dreamer3: what file did you say that was in anyways.
[11:31] <ompaul> binks, get ryanair :)
[11:32] <binks> faily cheap i admit
[11:32] <Dreamer3> BiteMeBill: ~/.gtkrc-2.0 google it
[11:32] <AndyR> ompaul, ryanair fly from 2 miles from me
[11:32] <Dreamer3> BiteMeBill: i found one example that got me going
[11:33] <BiteMeBill> dreamer3: Ok I will...
[11:33] <ompaul> AndyR, I know dublin leeds is available with ryan air is southampton?
[11:35] <ogra> binks: install the build-essential package
[11:37] <binks> and i do that by doin what sorry v new to linux but had to dump xp as its infuriating
[11:39] <binks> nps found it
[11:40] <AndyR> ompaul, it was
[11:40] <ompaul> AndyR, which airport was it
[11:40] <AndyR> southampton (eastleigh)
[11:42] <ompaul> so you would have to hop through standsted or go to cardiff or some such if my geography is not too bad
[11:43] <ompaul> AndyR, I bet that buzz used to operate out of that airport - they did that was cannes in France from dublin - shut it once they got buzz
[11:43] <onno> Hello, I got a small prob. with Ubuntu... I'm dutch and the spelling control for Openoffice seems not to work...
[11:43] <onno> Somebody some tip why this might be... It seems not wordbook is sufiant
[11:44] <binks> now when i make i get
[11:44] <binks> /bin/sh: line 1: sdl-config: command not found
[11:44] <racoontje|clone> onno: msg me, I'm flemish and might be able to help
[11:45] <ompaul> right so I better off and do some work or the day will be lost
[11:48] <siridhar> How can I fix this problem? -->
[11:49] <siridhar> "I can't start X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not setup correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem"
[11:49] <haffe> Hi, a quick question. Can I use my ipod as a portable harddrive, with project utopia? That is, just plug it in, and it automounts itself?
[11:50] <mjg59> haffe: Ought to work
[11:50] <haffe> Cool.
[11:51] <sanitario> haffe, I noticed the other day that rythmbox have a little section called ipod, that might be of interest
[11:51] <sanitario> rhythmbox even
[11:51] <haffe> How is it with ati xorg support? The computer I'm planing on installing on has an old ati rage pro turbo 2. This card seems to be supported by the dri ati drivers. So I can run xorg 6.8 properly.
[11:52] <t31> please someone knows how to force firefox to use totem to play .mov videos?
[11:52] <haffe> sanitario: Yes, but I want to use my ipod to transfer files from my 10/10 mbit connection to view them on my other computer.
[11:52] <sanitario> haffe, I see
[11:59] <_|Imanewbie|_> man great dist upgrade f*cked up my kinux \o/
[12:00] <Arago> hello !
[12:00] <scoon> anyone here using muine ?
[12:01] <_|Imanewbie|_> anyone else had problems with dist upgrade?
[12:01] <AndyR> _|Imanewbie|_, how?
[12:01] <_|Imanewbie|_> AndyR: X seem somehow screwed up
[12:01] <senectus> exit
[12:01] <AndyR> from shell?
[12:01] <_|Imanewbie|_> AndyR: I dont know about other stuff cause I cant acess it
[12:01] <BiteMeBill> _|Imanewbie|_:  WEre you going from warty to hoary?
[12:02] <_|Imanewbie|_> BiteMeBill: sure :D
[12:02] <BiteMeBill> ok thanks for the warning
[12:02] <_|Imanewbie|_> Go4it
[12:02] <Arago> i have a lil toruble with gnome menus. The are "closed". I can't add nothing to it. Any idea ?
[12:02] <_|Imanewbie|_> I seem to have had some prolems with perl libs and modules
[12:02] <Siddartha> where can i find a list of packages that come with the Ubuntu CD 4.10?
[12:02] <AndyR> ive had it fail a few times on different boxen but ive i rerun it has been ok second time
[12:03] <_|Imanewbie|_> I will reboot if al fail I shall install gentoo for a try :D
[12:03] <AndyR> _|Imanewbie|_, dont give up on ubuntu
[12:04] <_|Imanewbie|_> AndyR: I was about to try gentoo anyway
[12:04] <_|Imanewbie|_> AndyR: maybe it is a sign of god that I should take a try
[12:04] <AndyR> brave for a newbie i say
[12:04] <Nightie> D'oh! Ubuntu is MUCH better!
[12:04] <Nightie> than gentoo...
[12:05] <AndyR> gentoo is a nightmare imho
[12:05] <Nightie> I quite agree
[12:05] <BiteMeBill> Nothing wrong with jumping in head first.
[12:05] <scoon> AndyR, gentoo, is just pretty involved to install.
[12:05] <Corvus> i have a problem that will do me to move too
[12:06] <BiteMeBill> Hell skip it all and go straight to BSD
[12:06] <scoon> i ran it for 18mos and it just got to be to much
[12:06] <Corvus> it would be better if distros merge more common things and avoid these problems
[12:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> I want to try pre-link
[12:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> does bsd has a package manager?
[12:06] <Nightie> I have learnt a LOT of things installing gentoo, but compiling it's a real pain
[12:06] <scoon> i think if someone can't get ubuntu working then there is even a lesser chance that gentoo will work for them.
[12:07] <_|Imanewbie|_> "like" apt
[12:07] <_|Imanewbie|_> scoon: I got ubuntu slack and debian working
[12:07] <BiteMeBill> Don't know I spent five minutes trying to install it and came running back to Ubuntu with my tail between my legs.
[12:07] <haffe> If you want gentoo in a pretty package, try vidalinux.
[12:07] <AndyR> ive been using linux since rh4 having done maybe 100 dist installs and i wouldnt try a gentoo again
[12:07] <Corvus> in my case the problem isn't that i can't get itself working, my problem is with a device
[12:07] <scoon> AndyR, yikes.  I only started w/ redhat 5.2
[12:07] <Corvus> and it is strange, because it is recognized
[12:07] <scoon> OLD SKOOL AndyR
[12:07] <scoon> :)
[12:08] <Nightie> Corvus, what's that device?
[12:08] <AndyR> just old :)
[12:08] <_|Imanewbie|_> I going to reboot see ya (maybe in windows maybe on bsd who knows)
[12:08] <_|Imanewbie|_> <o/
[12:08] <Corvus> i talked about it yesterday, it is an usb joypad
[12:08] <Nightie> ah, ok
[12:08] <_|Imanewbie|_> exit
[12:08] <Corvus> listed with lsusb, needed modules loaded, but not working
[12:09] <Nightie> You have already tried google, I think
[12:09] <scoon> Corvus, did you post in the forums ?
[12:09] <Corvus> thought it was working with other distros
[12:09] <Corvus> yes, but there isn't any problem like this
[12:09] <Corvus> yes, i posted the problem too ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14752 )
[12:10] <Corvus> but is must be annoying or unknown problem
[12:10] <Nightie> If I have a winxp laptop and an ubuntu pc connected to a 4 ports adsl router, how can I have them communicating?
[12:10] <Arago> i have a lil trouble with gnome menus.  I can't add nothing to it via dx mouse button nor nautilus. Any idea ?
[12:11] <AndyR> communicating in what way?
[12:11] <scoon> Corvus, i would definately look into the blacklisting modules.
[12:11] <Corvus> that latop as other pc must have and internal ip
[12:11] <scoon> Corvus, also, knoppix tends to be quite forgiving (not blacklisting).  try that as well.
[12:11] <scoon> Corvus, if it works in knoppix then you will get it to work in ubuntu.
[12:12] <Corvus> try with a private network ip's
[12:12] <AndyR> Nightie,  communicating in what way?
[12:12] <Corvus> 192.xxx.xxx.xxx or something
[12:12] <Nightie> Ehr... this is the point: I don't know WHAT can I do... can I share folders? can I write on NTFS from linux? and viceversa?
[12:12] <Corvus> ok, scoon, i will try
[12:12] <Gagatan> Nightie: you don't want to write NTFS over TCP/IP ;)
[12:12] <scoon> Corvus, did you try to remove the modules from the blacklist ?
[12:12] <Nightie> why?
[12:12] <scoon> Corvus, or when you get to it, compare knoppix blacklist w/ ubuntus
[12:13] <Corvus> i tried enabling that evbug module only
[12:13] <AndyR> Nightie, install samba to share with xp
[12:13] <Corvus> is the only one that seems needed
[12:13] <Gagatan> Nightie: you can ssh/sftp from your XP to your linux, and you can use smbclient/samba from linux to XP. You can also install Samba on linux and let XP think your linux is just another windows host
[12:13] <Corvus> nightie, installing services as ftp and so, you could do everything with them
[12:14] <Corvus> ok, thx scoon, i will try it later :)
[12:14] <Siddartha> where can i find a list of packages that come with the Ubuntu CD 4.10?
[12:15] <Nightie> Siddartha :: try www.distrowatch.com for a partial list
[12:16] <Nightie> so... with samba... can I write linux hard disk from winxp and viceversa?
[12:16] <Gagatan> Nightie: yes
[12:16] <Nightie> great!
[12:17] <Neil3> over a network yep
[12:17] <Siddartha> Nightie thanks
[12:17] <Nightie> Is it difficult to install samba?
[12:17] <Thom_Ubuntu> no
[12:17] <Thom_Ubuntu> ubuntuguide.org
[12:17] <Neil3> no but configuring it can be a bit of a pain
[12:17] <Nightie> Siddartha :: no problem
[12:17] <Gagatan> Nightie: apt-get install samba ;)
[12:17] <Nightie> what about configuring it?
[12:17] <Thom_Ubuntu> same thing :)
[12:17] <Thom_Ubuntu> check ubuntuguide.org
[12:17] <Nightie> www.ubuntuguide.org, I suppose
[12:18] <Nightie> :-D
[12:18] <Thom_Ubuntu> you dont need the www
[12:18] <Nightie> ^^
[12:18] <Nightie> but is there a samba client for winxp, then?
[12:18] <Neil3> winxp is the client
[12:18] <Thom_Ubuntu> no need for that
[12:18] <AndyR> Nightie, look around for sample config files
[12:18] <Ex-Cyber> Nightie: winxp is a Samba client
[12:18] <Neil3> windows shares are samba
[12:18] <Neil3> hehe
[12:18] <Nightie> ah, thanx a lot!
[12:19] <Nightie> I'm gonna try sooner or later!
[12:19] <Ex-Cyber> more specifically it's an SMB/CIFS client
[12:19] <Nightie> But now I have to ask you this: does anyone of you have "acpi_power_off called" problem?
[12:20] <Neil3> Nightie, not i
[12:20] <Neil3> but i read about it in the guide
[12:20] <Nightie> Yes, JUST that!
[12:20] <Neil3> http://ubuntuguide.org/#acpipoweroff
[12:21] <Nightie> I read guide and have done those tweak
[12:21] <Nightie> but....
[12:21] <Nightie> ...
[12:21] <Nightie> The pc turns off automatically then :-)
[12:21] <Nightie> but NETWORK will work NO MORE :-(
[12:21] <Nightie> ???
[12:22] <Nightie> can you help me?
[12:22] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hi
[12:23] <Slask3n> hi =)
[12:23] <Nightie> hi!
[12:23] <Slask3n> how can i install .deb fles on ubuntu?          t doesnt recognize the file extension :s
[12:23] <Slask3n> it*
[12:23] <Nightie> dpkg -i yourfile.deb, methink
[12:24] <Nightie> sudo dpkg -i yourfile.deb, methink
[12:24] <Gagatan> Slask3n: or search for that package with apt first
[12:24] <Slask3n> ok, but are there any way to make it do it every time i click on a .deb file? im a n00b...
[12:24] <Slask3n> i cant find it with apt-get
[12:25] <Nightie> can't you add a repository?
[12:25] <Nightie> aren't those files in a repository?
[12:25] <Slask3n> ive tried to add debian repository trough synaptic but nothing happens
[12:25] <Nightie> what package are you trying to install?
[12:26] <Slask3n> many... on example is gaim, i cant find the newest version.. but just now is it the transgaming .deb package...
[12:26] <Slask3n> transgaming cedega*
[12:26] <Nightie> ok
[12:27] <Nightie> what version of gaim exactly?
[12:27] <Slask3n> but ive added ftp.uk.debian.org repository but i cant find any new packages after doing so...
[12:28] <Slask3n> Gaim 1.1.2
[12:28] <Nightie> I see I can install gaim 1.1.0 through Synaptic...
[12:28] <Nightie> isn't that enough for you?
[12:28] <Nightie> :-)
[12:29] <Slask3n> ive been using mandrake linux bfore, and the everything went perfectly... but ive never used an debian based distro before.. yes i hav gaim 1.1.0 bt it was just an example..
[12:29] <Slask3n> sorry for all the spellerrors, my keybord is fucked...
[12:30] <sanitario> Slask3n, have you pressed reload in synaptic?
[12:30] <Slask3n> but why wont synaptic retrieve new packages after installing and reloading?
[12:30] <Slask3n> yes
[12:31] <Slask3n> by installing i meen adddd repository
[12:31] <Nightie> "just an example"? what do you mean?
[12:31] <sanitario> Slask3n, you are also aware that using debian repositories could cause big troubles?
[12:31] <Nightie> hihihi your keyboard rule!
[12:31] <Nightie> what's wrong with 1.1.0?
[12:32] <Slask3n> i cant remember right now, but i cant find any other packages other than the packages on ubuntu repository
[12:32] <sanitario> Slask3n, why would you want to, anyway?
[12:32] <king_arthur> Hi guys, just made a nice ubuntu install on a Apple powerbook G3
[12:32] <sanitario> ah, I have to go
[12:33] <Nightie> alas, lunch is ready...
[12:33] <Nightie> bye!
[12:33] <king_arthur> everything works but wrong keyboard lay-out can anybody advise
[12:33] <Mongol_Samurai> who can tell me where the default boot-loader configuration file is in Ubuntu
[12:33] <Slask3n> ok, another example that i want... i need to install quanta or at least bluefish, but i cant find any of those in the synaptic...
[12:34] <Slask3n> so ive downloaded a .deb fiole from the web, but i cant make it install
[12:36] <scoon> Slask3n, did you add the ubuntu univers repos ? that is where bluefish is.
[12:37] <cavediver> Hi. How do I re-install grub using the install cd ? My mbr has gone corrupt
[12:37] <cavediver> I can't boot into my linux system
[12:41] <Slask3n> i havent added any ubuntu repositorys other than the preinstalled...
[12:41] <scoon> Slask3n, that is why you can't find bluefish
[12:41] <Slask3n> ok
[12:42] <Slask3n> how can i add it then?
[12:42] <scoon> sladen, http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html
[12:42] <scoon> Slask3n, start looking over that.  it WILL really help you out.
[12:42] <Slask3n> thnx :)
[12:45] <Slask3n> but are there any ways to install quanta? i know its KDE, thats why i ask
[12:46] <hibbins> can i load ubuntu onto a memory stick and install it on my computer from there?
[12:46] <scoon> Slask3n, yes. there is.
[12:46] <scoon> Slask3n, either take a look at using synaptic or CLI
[12:46] <Slask3n> cant find it there...
[12:47] <Slask3n> i have the .deb file but it cant install because of dependennnncies
[12:47] <scoon> Slask3n, did you happen to read the link i sent.
[12:47] <sunchez> hi, i got a kyro II gpu. everytime i wanna play a video with totem it hangs up. i think i havs to reconfigure the xfree server. kyro 2 driver are only avaivable for 2.4 kernel
[12:47] <Riddell> Slask3n: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[12:47] <scoon> Slask3n, quanta is in univers.
[12:47] <Slask3n> i dont want KDE, just quanta under gnome
[12:47] <sunchez> does anyone have experiences with kyro2 boards
[12:47] <scoon> Slask3n, things will be so much easier for you if you read that.
[12:48] <ideafix> HORAY!
[12:48] <Riddell> Slask3n: same solution
[12:48] <Slask3n> k
[12:48] <scoon> Slask3n, well unfortunately for you, quanta comes w/ a lot of kde dependencies.
[12:48] <scoon> Slask3n, I have no kde on my box at all.
[12:48] <Slask3n> but can i get a command or something to install the universe repository for ubuntu?
[12:48] <ideafix> I LOVE KDE
[12:49] <scoon> Slask3n, if i apt quanta i will need to install 17 other debs
[12:49] <scoon> Slask3n, yes you can.
[12:49] <scoon> Slask3n, read the link.
[12:49] <ideafix> can ubuntu do cluster ?
[12:50] <Slask3n> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe ??
[12:50] <scoon> Slask3n, you don't even have to look very far.
[12:50] <scoon> read under the Repositories heading, number 1
[12:50] <Slask3n> ive read it before, but i cant make it run in terminal.. it says deb not recognized command
[12:51] <sunchez> how can i reconfigure an xfree server?
[12:51] <scoon> Slask3n, all right .
[12:51] <scoon> you have NOT read it.
[12:51] <scoon> uncomment the universe lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[12:51] <scoon> you MUST sudo to do that.
[12:51] <ideafix> why is ubuntu being so popular ? im saying this because there lots of distros based on debian some of them very good
[12:51] <Slask3n> bash: deb: command not found
[12:51] <scoon> then update apt, either use CLI or synaptic
[12:52] <scoon> you will then be able to search for quanta and bluefish and will find then and be able to install them.
[12:52] <scoon> sladen, deb is NOT a command
[12:52] <scoon> just like doc is not a comman
[12:52] <scoon> d
[12:52] <scoon> they are files
[12:52] <scoon> deb files get managed by apt
[12:53] <scoon> its not that hard
[12:53] <ideafix> scoon: you should use .deb .doc when refering to file types
[12:53] <Slask3n> ok, sry, ive misread it.. i thougt it was commands, but i now see it is the content of a file...
[12:53] <ideafix> makes it easyer for ppl to understand
[12:53] <scoon> ideafix, i know.  but i am retyping what Slask3n is typing
[12:54] <scoon> and anyone reading w/ this will see what is up.
[12:54] <scoon> :)
[12:54] <shock> is there currently like no way to get the freakin close buttons in firefox to be one on each tab?
[12:54] <shock> O_o
[12:54] <shock> I hate close buttons at the end of the tabbar!
[12:54] <shock> *grr*
[12:54] <sladen> scoon: whit?
[12:54] <shock> ok
[12:54] <shock> cu later
[12:55] <scoon> sladen, ?
[12:55] <sladen> scoon: ah, ITYM Slask3n
[12:55] <Slask3n> ITYM?
[12:57] <ideafix> why is ubuntu being so popular ? im saying this because there lots of distros based on debian some of them very good
[12:57] <newbi3> how do i change the screen resolution of a second monitor?
[12:57] <Slask3n> ubuntu have one of the best help-forums nad such stuff...
[12:57] <mike998_sleeping> ideafix: it's the community
[12:58] <cavediver> does ubuntu cd have a linux rescue feature ?
[12:58] <cavediver> Allowing me to boot my /dev/hda2  ?
[12:59] <ideafix> is the community suporting ubuntu because its "true" GNU ?
[01:00] <ideafix> or just folwing the leader kind of thing ?
[01:00] <_marquis_> Hello everyone
[01:00] <jdub> ideafix: because it's really very good
[01:01] <newbi3> i have a laptop connected to a 21" monitor but i have to keep moving the mouse to see what i want in the screen
[01:01] <newbi3> andyone can help me
[01:02] <hibbins> is ubuntu suitable for a laptop?
[01:02] <newbi3> very good i woud say
[01:03] <ideafix> whats your defenition of very good ?
[01:03] <jdub> hibbins: Yes! one of our official projects is "totally rad laptop support" :)
[01:03] <jdub> hibbins: it's an explicit goal - hoary is *really* good
[01:04] <ideafix> i think ubuntu is too gnomish
[01:04] <hibbins> jdub: when is hoary arriving
[01:04] <jdub> hibbins: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[01:04] <cavediver> hibbins in april i believe
[01:04] <jdub> ideafix: then watch out for Kubuntu
[01:05] <mjr> Ubuntu is just gnomish enough :)
[01:05] <cavediver> I like gnome better than kde
[01:05] <cavediver> However, it's not perfekt.
[01:05] <jdub> let's not get into a desktop discussion
[01:05] <ideafix> i might get the live cd to try out new gnome ive only tryed gnome version 2.6
[01:05] <_marquis_> Hey, anyone want to help me out? I have a big dual-boot-disk-geometry issue.
[01:06] <cavediver> I'd rather talk about rescuing my system, but it seems like noone want to discuss that either :=)
[01:06] <floater> hey, how do I run my .cpp file to check whether it works dudez
[01:06] <hibbins> jdub: thats three months of torture until i can finally install ubuntu on my laptop...
[01:06] <jdub> hibbins: you can install it now if you're willing to test the devel branch
[01:06] <cavediver> hibbins, why's that ?
[01:06] <jdub> hibbins: also, there will be a preview release in march
[01:07] <hibbins> cavediver: waiting for hoary...
[01:07] <hibbins> jdub: how big is the installation media?
[01:07] <hibbins> jdub: i mean in MB
[01:07] <floater> hey leat guys, elp me... how do I run my .cpp file ?
[01:07] <DaFrenk> hey all
[01:08] <siridhar> floater: may be install a C compiler?
[01:08] <floater> hmm
[01:08] <jdub> hibbins: ~600MB, just one CD.
[01:08] <hibbins> floater: compile, then run
[01:08] <floater> I guess I don't have a compiler installed by default
[01:08] <hibbins> jdub: nice
[01:08] <floater> what's the command to compile or to check whether I have it
[01:08] <jdub> floater: install build-essential
[01:08] <hibbins> floater: gcc 'filename'
[01:09] <floater> ohh, and a command to check whether some program is installed or not?
[01:09] <floater> other than trying the commands out
[01:09] <ironwolf> does the liveCD *warty* have the capability to reconstruct an MBR on a drive through a rescue mode?
[01:10] <DaFrenk> my networkcard is unable to get an IP adress from my DHCP server, seems that neither of the two can see that there is a connection.. have a laptop with intergrated networkcard from Intel. !?
[01:10] <floater> well at least it says "gcc: command not found, I'll apt-get that build-essential, thanks mates
[01:11] <floater> damn, my source.list apparently don't find it... hmh apt-get useless
[01:11] <_marquis_> I'm seriously considering doing some fdisk /mbr:ing
[01:11] <floater> if I double-click a cpp file it runs it quickly and closes... what's that command "exec" can I try run cpp with that ?
[01:12] <floater> I tried some with it but with no luck
[01:12] <floater> lolz, I typoed the apt-get :S
[01:12] <DaFrenk> anyone could help me plz? :) would appriciate it
[01:12] <cavediver> Noone knows how to reinstall grub onto mbr somehow.
[01:13] <haffe> Use the script grub-install or sudo apt-get install grub and run grub
[01:13] <floater> at least if you have redhat9 installation cd1, just start installing the RH9 and before you start installing OS you can install mbr
[01:13] <floater> that what haffe says probably more handy way ^_^
[01:17] <floater> I need more help with this... I need to have
[01:17] <floater> need to define some references hmm..
[01:18] <floater> /tmp/cc2wIzMg.o(.text+0x14a): In function `__tcf_0':  I do not have file cc2wIzMg.o hmh
[01:19] <cavediver> haffe, I want to boot my system first, and how do I do that without grub? One booted, I can run grub-install /dev/hda
[01:21] <hibbins> is it possible to just download a smaller image and then do a network install like with e.g. gentoo?
[01:21] <cavediver> hibbins, i don't think so unfortunately
[01:22] <haffe> cavediver: The simplest way would be to boot a linux livecd, mout you harddrive and then run grub
[01:22] <hibbins> cavediver: that's a shame. i'd like to load it onto my memory stick. but it only has room for 512MB.
[01:23] <jelte> silly question... but how can i (if at all possible) create an MSDos boot floppy from within linux?
[01:23] <cavediver> hibbins, ok, will try that.
[01:23] <bumperland> is there a way to ugrade to hoary from warty ?
[01:23] <floater> mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[01:23] <haffe> jelte: Your best bet would be to get a diskimage from www.bootdisk.com and use dd.
[01:24] <hibbins> cavediver: try what?
[01:24] <floater> ohh oops
[01:24] <thesilverhand> bumperland: open source.list, change warty to hoary, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:24] <jelte> haffe, ah, thanks I'll have a look
[01:24] <cavediver> hibbins,  wrong nick, sorry :=)
[01:24] <Amaranth> bootdisk.com gives exe files that create bootdisks
[01:24] <hibbins> cavediver: np
[01:25] <bumperland> thanks
[01:27] <inc> sup
[01:27] <jelte> haffe, ok so i got 4 .IMG files for win2k boot disks (what i was really after ;-)), but how do i use dd ?
[01:28] <Amaranth> dd if=whatever.img of=/dev/fd0
[01:28] <Amaranth> i think that's right
[01:28] <jelte> Amaranth, ah excellent, ta
[01:29] <floater> so can someone tell me what all I need to set up to compile and run my cpp's in ubuntu. I installed the build-essential and when I try compile with gcc I get /tmp/cc41BIxM.o(.text+0xbc): In function `main':
[01:29] <floater> and so on
[01:29] <Guybrush|Numb> floater, those are compiler errors
[01:29] <floater> ehm
[01:30] <floater> you mean it isn't properly written cpp ?
[01:30] <inc> anyone know why hoary made my sound card not found or busy?
[01:30] <Guybrush|Numb> it could be missing libraries or something like that
[01:30] <Amaranth> floater: What you just pasted is only telling where the error is, not the actual error.
[01:30] <Guybrush|Numb> this is not the correct place
[01:30] <floater> do I need to include .h after iostream and using namespace things ?
[01:30] <Guybrush|Numb> this is not the correct place to ask
[01:30] <rubixXx> well
[01:30] <rubixXx> got it working
[01:30] <domes> exit
[01:31] <Amaranth> Guybrush|Numb: If he can't compile because of a missing package it's the correct place.
[01:31] <Amaranth> If he has syntax errors it isn't though.
[01:31] <floater> all error says "undefined references
[01:31] <floater> well, it is a working cpp in a windows borland
[01:32] <floater> and all the messages point to that /tmp/c...../
[01:32] <Amaranth> just where the .o file is temporarily stored
[01:32] <Guybrush|Numb> try to paste ONE undefined reference
[01:32] <siridhar> my graphical interface wouldn't start. Does anyone know if this fixes it? --> sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xfree86
[01:32] <rubixXx> how do i enable the root account
[01:32] <rubixXx> i don't wanna use sudo, i wanna use su
[01:32] <inc> sudo su
[01:33] <rubixXx> screw that
[01:33] <Guybrush|Numb> rubixXx: are you sure ? Thats the best part of ubuntu
[01:33] <rubixXx> i wanna be able to log in as root
[01:33] <floater> : undefined reference to `std::basic_ostream<char, std::char_traits<char> >& std::operator<< <std::char_traits<char> >(std::basic_ostream<char, std::char_traits<char> >&, char const*)'  ...hmm it looks it whines about the code too maybe, but it could be because of missing library?
[01:33] <inc> to wha?
[01:33] <rubixXx> thats not the best part
[01:33] <rubixXx> because anyone can break your system using sudo
[01:34] <rubixXx> thats the WORST part
[01:34] <siridhar> but they have to type a password
[01:34] <Guybrush|Numb> anyone can break your system using anything you run as root too
[01:34] <rubixXx> this is wierd though
[01:34] <rubixXx> i never input a password
[01:34] <rubixXx> and there isn't one...
[01:34] <Guybrush|Numb> so you are widening the scope here
[01:34] <jelte> rubixXx, it _is_ possible, i read about it somewhere, to enable the root account like normal
[01:34] <jelte> but i forgot how, sorry... check the ubuntu wiki
[01:34] <Guybrush|Numb> you just need to give it a password
[01:34] <siridhar> I read in the forum that root pass is the same as your username's pass that you set up during installation
[01:35] <inc> yup
[01:35] <jelte> someone remind me, whats the keyboard shortcut for moving the cursor word by word in bash?
[01:35] <inc> why would u want to log into the gui as root?
[01:35] <siridhar> After fresh installation my graphical interface wouldn't start. Does this fix it? --> sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xfree86
[01:36] <jelte> rubixXx, indeed, surely logging into the gui as root kinda defeats the purpose of security
[01:36] <rubixXx> jelte, i don't....i su as root, but i like to have a root account for simple configurations
[01:36] <hibbins> floater: seems like you need the stl...
[01:36] <siridhar> or is there anything else I can do?
[01:36] <Guybrush|Numb> siridhar, read the file /var/log/XFree86.log.0
[01:36] <Guybrush|Numb> and check for errors
[01:36] <inc> root is there you don't log in as root you su to root
[01:37] <floater> hibbins ok... can you help me getting it someway.. I don't know where to look as I am also one of the linux newcomers
[01:37] <inc> ubuntu is "rootless" lol
[01:37] <Guybrush|Numb> =)
[01:37] <floater> maybe I could check google for some hours and maybe come up with smth :S
[01:37] <haffe> Guybrush|Numb: Xfree86.log? Doesn't ubuntu include xorg nowadays?
[01:38] <jelte> rubixXx, just do 'sudo passwd root' and set a pw for root, then you are off and can do su
[01:38] <Guybrush|Numb> warthy does not !?!
[01:38] <siridhar> brb
[01:38] <rubixXx> jelte, i havn't set up a sudo password, but there is one set, now this presents somewhat of a problem
[01:39] <Welly> got a question - my desktop resolution is set to 1024x768, however the resolution for the login screen is much higher, i think 1280 x 1024. Where would I change the resolution for the login screen?
[01:39] <jelte> rubixXx, use your own password for sudo... then set anothre for root
[01:39] <hibbins> can i see the top of your cpp file?
[01:39] <jdub> rubixXx: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[01:39] <rubixXx> haha, jelte ty
[01:39] <jdub> rubixXx: don't set a root password, just use sudo
[01:39] <hibbins> floater: can i see the top of your cpp file?
[01:39] <rubixXx> sorry i'm out of smokes and i'm very cranky in the morning
[01:39] <Guybrush|Numb> rubixXx: consider 'sudo bash'
[01:40] <floater> hold on
[01:40] <haffe> Guybrush|Numb: ok.
[01:40] <jelte> rubixXx, i just have two terminal launchers, one that launches a normal terminal and one that launches a root one... dont need a root account
[01:40] <inc> anyone good with hardware?
[01:40] <rubixXx> inc i am
[01:40] <rubixXx> still new to the whole linux thing, thats why i decided to try a debian based system
[01:41] <rubixXx> anyone have a link handy to some basic aptget commands
[01:41] <Guybrush|Numb> haffe: Hoary features Xorg
[01:41] <floater> ahh, it was actually in visual code.. including "using namespace std;" maybe I could try remove it and compile then
[01:41] <floater> but I upload it as txt
[01:41] <Guybrush|Numb> rubixXx google for APT-GET HOWTO
[01:41] <inc> i got this crumby old fujitsu with crystal audio sound... hoary seems to find it but can't start it
[01:41] <rubixXx> is there a nice little graphical tool for editing your computer's configuration
[01:41] <binks> how do i change the permisions of a file
[01:42] <haffe> sudo chmod
[01:42] <binks> i need read write
[01:42] <floater> hibbins: http://vk0.dk/vkprivupload/moxsybnt/yl4.txt
[01:42] <Guybrush|Numb> binks: man chmod
[01:42] <haffe> binks: sudo chmod +rw I think
[01:42] <rubixXx> hmmm crappy old version of xchat
[01:42] <binks> haffe mint cheers im getting on the ladder now :)
[01:42] <spinifex> how do I find out what 'port number' my tablet pc digitizer is?
[01:42] <rubixXx> upgrading this is my number one priority
[01:42] <rubixXx> peace out all
[01:43] <Guybrush|Numb> spinifex: clarify please
[01:43] <hibbins> floater: and this doesn't compile?
[01:43] <floater> hey I think the error was in the "using namespace std;" I compiled it without that and I got only few errors
[01:43] <cavediver> Now i've booted the live-cd, installed grub and tried a grub-install /dev/hda but got this:
[01:43] <floater> but... this still should work hmm
[01:43] <floater> at least now
[01:43] <cavediver> Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
[01:43] <cavediver> /dev/mapper/casper-snapshot does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[01:43] <inc> CS4231 soundcard not found or device busy
[01:44] <floater> ahhh... higgins I try something, I come back to you soon if I still have problemms
[01:44] <spinifex> well, the linux wacom project has a note "For tabletpc users, you will have to enable it with something like `setserial /dev/ttyS0 port x9530 autoconfig
[01:44] <spinifex> I have seen several guides with different numbers for the port
[01:44] <spinifex> I don't know what to put
[01:44] <hibbins> floater: good.
[01:45] <Guybrush|Numb> it's a serial port number, try from 0 to 7 =
[01:45] <floater> well, after I compile it, how can I run it?
[01:45] <floater> do I need to make a file of it first and then try run
[01:46] <spinifex> I'm in ubuntu here because I didn't install the driver by their instructions, but rather just grabbed the 'wacom-tools' package, on advice from a friend.  I don't see how this is gonna work...  heheh..  wish I knew how to do this
[01:46] <Guybrush|Numb> spinifex: i'm sorry i've no experience in the field, but anyway, there is no way to autodetect things on serial ports
[01:47] <hibbins> floater: do you have a file called 'a.out'
[01:47] <Guybrush|Numb> spinifex: not that i know, at least, so you should go by trial and error
[01:47] <spinifex> http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/wacdump
[01:47] <spinifex> check the blue hilighted paragraph
[01:47] <floater> hibbins: now it only says undeclared (first use this function) for "cout" "cin" and "endl" and nothing else...nope I don't have it in the dir where I run the cpp's at least
[01:48] <Guybrush|Numb> spinifex: do you have other serial peripherals ?
[01:48] <hibbins> floater: that's the file you will get if you manage to do a clean compile.
[01:48] <Welly> hmm.. what is wrong with this - /list #wine* ?
[01:48] <spinifex> I have a /dev/ttyS0.  I don't know what it is
[01:49] <Welly> or /list #ubun* ?
[01:49] <Guybrush|Numb> just try that 2 commands with /dev/ttyS0
[01:49] <spinifex> /dev/input has 5 things
[01:49] <Guybrush|Numb> just try that 2 commands with /dev/ttyS1
[01:49] <floater> oh, I guess it didn't manage to compile it correctly
[01:49] <Welly> I thought you could wildcard listings of channels?
[01:49] <Guybrush|Numb> both of them
[01:49] <spinifex> um, what about that hex number, does it matter what I put for that?
[01:49] <hibbins> floater: can i see the error message?
[01:49] <Guybrush|Numb> w8
[01:50] <floater> yup,
[01:50] <hibbins> floater: ok, let's see it.
[01:50] <Guybrush|Numb> spinifex: which tablet you got ?
[01:51] <spinifex> acer tmc302xmi
[01:51] <spinifex> no wait, it's upgraded, 303
[01:51] <spinifex> lol, a 302 with a 303's motherboard I mean
[01:52] <spinifex> cuz it broke
[01:52] <floater> hibbins: http://vk0.dk/vkprivupload/iaagclkq/error.txt
[01:53] <hibbins> floater: you should leave the line 'using namespace std;' in the file.
[01:53] <binks> anyone no how i can overcome this error in mplayer
[01:53] <binks> Error opning/initialiseng the selected video_out (-vo) device
[01:54] <floater> really, well then it gives the error I got before... says that thing on almost every line
[01:54] <floater> I see I see...hmm probably I need some file somewhere
[01:55] <hibbins> fl
[01:56] <Guybrush|Numb> spinifex: try 'setserial /dev/ttyS0'
[01:56] <gholen> HI, problem whith Xorg, I cant get the letters X and W to work, I use a laptop model Acer Aspire 1310
[01:56] <hibbins> floater: let me see the error message with using namespace in the file
[01:56] <floater> ok
[01:58] <spinifex> omg, I think this guide might help http://www.umich2.com/files/2004/12/linux_on_the_ac.html
[01:58] <floater> hibbins: http://vk0.dk/vkprivupload/ymavsxbz/error.txt
[01:59] <Guybrush|Numb> spinifex: that should definitely help
[01:59] <Guybrush|Numb> good luck
[01:59] <spinifex> thanks
[01:59] <Guybrush|Numb> you welcome, let me know if u succeed
[02:00] <hibbins> floater: try g++ instead of gcc
[02:00] <rubixXx> any ideas on some sources that actually have up-to-date software repositories?
[02:00] <Guybrush|Numb> you mean newer :)
[02:00] <rubixXx> omfg, didn't even install any development software, using this sytem is gonna be a nightmare
[02:00] <inc> lol
[02:00] <Neil3> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[02:01] <rubixXx> i mean whats the point of 2.0.4 xchat when there is version 2.4.x stable out?
[02:01] <floater> sweet! it now only said warning about no new line at end... and it created a.out :) How do I execute this out file now? :D
[02:01] <hibbins> just type a.out
[02:01] <floater> bash: a.out: command not found
[02:01] <inc> rubixXx upgrade it
[02:02] <prego> Does hoary include the latest Xorg 6.8.2 yet?
[02:02] <rubixXx> inc "xchat is up to date"
[02:02] <hibbins> floater: ./a.out
[02:02] <inc> hoary has xchat 2.0.8
[02:03] <floater> fantastix thanks hibbins to the max !
[02:03] <hibbins> floater: that was nothing...now start learning c++!!!
[02:03] <floater> hmm what does actually that ./ do
[02:04] <floater> why did I needed that :S
[02:04] <rubixXx> ok, are there any graphical system confuration tools? or do i have to do it all by configuration file and gedit
[02:04] <floater> it just tells the present directory?
[02:04] <floater> it didn't understand the dir otherwise or smth?
[02:04] <hibbins> floater: it makes sure that you look in the present directory. yes.
[02:04] <floater> mkayz
[02:04] <inc> well i'm probably going to put damn small linux back on here ubuntu doesn't like my sound card
[02:04] <hibbins> floater: the other commands are in your PATH variable
[02:04] <rubixXx> mine either
[02:04] <t31> someone knows how to make xine play xine?
[02:04] <rubixXx> this distro just turned me off to debian as well
[02:04] <inc> debian rocks
[02:05] <rubixXx> na
[02:05] <t31> sorry quicktime
[02:05] <rubixXx> don't see anything useful
[02:05] <hibbins> floater: you could probably add the present directory (.) to the path. but i don't think that's recommended practise.
[02:05] <inc> i wouldn't blame the problems on the distro
[02:05] <rubixXx> lol i'm not
[02:05] <floater> mm ok
[02:05] <rubixXx> i'm just out of smokes i told ya
[02:05] <inc> lol
[02:05] <rubixXx> lol
[02:05] <inc> nickin huh
[02:06] <rubixXx> i like mandrake, but its too bloated
[02:06] <AndyR> rubixXx, if you want xchat 2.4.1 use hoary(unstable)
[02:06] <rubixXx> AndyR, i want an apt-get repository thats actually up-to-date
[02:06] <AndyR> alot(most) here are
[02:07] <prego> floater, hibbins, never ever put (.) to the path.
[02:07] <AndyR> upgrade to hoary then
[02:07] <prego> AndyR, how much unstable hoary is?
[02:07] <AndyR> its not IMHO
[02:08] <rubixXx> actually ubuntu's lack of included software is what inspired me to try it
[02:08] <njan> has haory just reimplemented the xscreensaver lock dialog?
[02:08] <mike998> it's not unstable, but you can expect stuff to break
[02:08] <njan> s/haory/hoary/
[02:08] <prego> AndyR, is it worthy to upgrade to hoary?
[02:08] <jdub> njan: it has a new design, yes
[02:08] <rubixXx> wtf is hoary
[02:08] <AndyR> prego, very much so
[02:08] <njan> jdub, I just almost had a heart attack.
[02:08] <mike998> prego: sorry to butt in but yep - it's what got my wireless NIC working
[02:08] <jdub> rubixXx: hoary is the current development branch
[02:08] <njan> jdub, what's it done with?
[02:08] <jdub> njan: just normal x calls and a little bit of xft for the fonts
[02:09] <prego> AndyR, mike998 is it traumatic to upgrade to Hoary?
[02:09] <gholen> HI, problem whith Xorg, I cant get the letters X and W to work, I use a laptop model Acer Aspire 1310
[02:09] <mike998> nope
[02:09] <hibbins> prego: why not?
[02:09] <njan> jdub, cool. I'm glad someone's finally reimplemented it. No offence to jwz, but xscreensaver looks horrendous, especially for those of us who use linux in a business ;)
[02:09] <mike998> just change your /etc/apt/sources.list references from warty to hoary
[02:09] <prego> hibbins, someone could have let an script called "ls" in a directory, which could remove your files...
[02:10] <mike998> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[02:10] <njan> jdub, password box isn't big enough, though.. it only fits a third of my password :p
[02:10] <jdub> njan: it's not really reimplemented, just patched
[02:10] <stephank> In which package can I find utilities like dos2unix?
[02:10] <njan> jdub, reimplemented, patched, changed, whatever ;)
[02:10] <jdub> njan: there's work going on up in gnome to fix it super properly
[02:10] <hibbins> prego: ok, a security thing. good.
[02:10] <njan> jdub, rock :)
[02:10] <jdub> njan: so xscreensaver config will be in gconf and everything
[02:10] <njan> jdub, that's long, long, long, long overdue
[02:10] <prego> hibbins, of course
[02:10] <jdub> yeah
[02:10] <jdub> hard to do right though
[02:10] <njan> jdub, yup.
[02:10] <njan> jdub, especially if you're security paranoid :)
[02:11] <AndyR> prego, normally trouble free
[02:11] <njan> jdub, which I am.. hence the heart attack when, on autopilot, I gave my password into a user interface which I suddenly realised wasn't the one I was used to seeing just after seeing enter :p
[02:11] <njan> s/seeing enter/hitting enter/
[02:11] <jdub> :)
[02:11] <prego> AndyR, so, does Hoary already include latests Xorg release (I'm specially interested in the SiS driver update)
[02:11] <njan> ty, anyway ;)
[02:11] <binks> hey linux is great i having a ball never used it b4 today
[02:12] <njan> binks, <3 linux :)
[02:12] <AndyR> prego, Xorg yes
[02:12] <jdub> prego: yes
[02:12] <mike998> prego: hoary is updated very often
[02:12] <mike998> like, once a day at minimum
[02:12] <AndyR> hourly/minutely :)
[02:12] <haffe> I don't know. Somehow it feels lika linux is a cheaper replica of osX. :D
[02:13] <mike998> AndyR: yep... but I don't want to scare the poor fella
[02:13] <rubixXx> binks, your gonna hate it soon
[02:13] <AndyR> some days im doing 70mb of updates
[02:14] <binks> lo prob butso far things work ish lots of reading thou didnt read this much at school
[02:14] <AndyR> prego, bear in mind some things get broken for a day or 2 sometimes
[02:15] <enplo> hello. i'm a debian user and i'm trying out ubuntu hoary, and i'm having problems with the installer. it cannot install neither lilo nor grub on mbr
[02:15] <da_bon_bon> hey, is update from, warty to hoary a large download ?
[02:15] <prego> AndyR, however... when is it expected that Hoary be the stable branch?
[02:15] <binks> rubixx will i hate it enough to go back to xp
[02:15] <flosch> hi
[02:15] <carlos> daniels: around?
[02:15] <hawkman> Could someone tell me howor where I can find info on how to map Mouse button 4 and 5 to go back and forward in firefox ?
[02:16] <AndyR> freeze is coming soon, for release april 05
[02:16] <enplo> is there any way to upgrade debian (testing) to hoary, or install warty and update to hoary?
[02:17] <Guybrush|Numb> binks: don't thinks os
[02:17] <Guybrush|Numb> binks: don't thinks so
[02:17] <AndyR> hence v5.04
[02:17] <da_bon_bon> hey, is update from, warty to hoary a large download ?
[02:17] <tritium> enplo, it's possible, but ubuntu's installer is based on debian's installer
[02:17] <Guybrush|Numb> enplo: warty -> hoary is possible
[02:17] <jdub> da_bon_bon: pretty huge
[02:17] <AndyR> da_bon_bon, yes quite
[02:17] <prego> AndyR, perhaps I can wait until then ;-)
[02:18] <enplo> i know, i just reinstalled debian and it's installer writes grub allright
[02:18] <AndyR> is net connection damp string?
[02:18] <da_bon_bon> jdub, AndyR: about how much, in mb ?
[02:18] <AndyR> da_bon_bon, depends on what you have installed
[02:19] <Guybrush|Numb> Almost as much as you have installed in warty, compressed
[02:19] <da_bon_bon> AndyR: the complete warty system from the cd, nothing more nothing less.
[02:19] <AndyR> i have done both upgrades and also downloaded snapshots of the hoary iso
[02:19] <Guybrush|Numb> a complete CD then, da_bon_bon
[02:20] <prego> So, almost *each* package is upgraded?
[02:20] <da_bon_bon> Guybrush|Numb: ahhh, i'd rather wait for the warty release.
[02:20] <rubixXx> contrib consists of lib packages right
[02:20] <AndyR> its worth d/l at hoary iso
[02:20] <Guybrush|Numb> da_bon_bon: that's what i'm doing, i can resist a couple months more
[02:21] <mike998> I just took my laptop into work and used their fat pipe full of bandwidth for my hoary upgrade
[02:21] <AndyR> download iso from http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/20050211/
[02:21] <da_bon_bon> that a better idea ?
[02:22] <da_bon_bon> the cd image has an installer and stuff ?
[02:22] <tritium> or try the torrent
[02:23] <AndyR> well worth using iso IMHO ive not seen anything broke today :)
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> :)
[02:24] <rubixXx> i'm likin this software package manager
[02:24] <AndyR> esp worth doing if you are using more than 1 comp
[02:24] <rubixXx> its nice and clean, lots of info
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> rubixXx: is it something like synaptic ?
[02:24] <AndyR> da_bon_bon, it is synaptic
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> AndyR: i have no ubuntu installed currently, removed it just a few days ago.
[02:24] <rubixXx> yep
[02:24] <da_bon_bon> whats better - iso or updating ?
[02:24] <Guybrush|Numb> that's not so hard then
[02:25] <rubixXx> i just need to get a nice up-to-date source of debian packages
[02:25] <da_bon_bon> rubixXx: then, whats so special about it /
[02:25] <jelte> anyone know why ubuntu doesn't have a /etc/grub.conf ?
[02:25] <AndyR> da_bon_bon, you can do a clean install from those iso's
[02:25] <dwa_> i'm guessing you get the same result da_bon_bon
[02:25] <scizzo> jelte: tried /boot/grub/?
[02:25] <tritium> jelte, it's /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:25] <lewis> hello
[02:25] <popey> andyr: b00
[02:26] <zad0> having problems installing GRUB with Array-3 installer on nForce3 Ultra S-ATA
[02:26] <thoreauputic> just checking - has anyone had apt problems with Warty? gstreamer0.8-mad won't install ( several others as well )
[02:27] <da_bon_bon> ok, i think i will get the iso. does the iso have an installer and all ?
[02:27] <thoreauputic> the usual "you have requested an imposssible.." message...
[02:27] <AndyR> popey, boo hoo
[02:27] <jelte> thanks guys
[02:28] <Guybrush|Numb> thoreauputic: be more specific
[02:28] <AndyR> da_bon_bon, yes full installer
[02:28] <jelte> grub is installed in the MBR right?
[02:28] <AndyR> jelte, yes normally
[02:28] <tritium> jelte, and when you edit it, run "sudo update-grub" after you're done
[02:28] <lewis> is hoary any good
[02:28] <MM2> is there a backup program to ubuntu with GUI?
[02:29] <Guybrush|Numb> MM2: look on synaptic for "backup" in package descriptions
[02:29] <jelte> tritium, well i'm going to try and make my machine dual boot... so going to install win2k on a spare partition, which will screw up my mbr. So then boot with cd into rescue mode and do "grub-install /dev/hda" i think...
[02:29] <thoreauputic> Guybrush|Numb, heh - OK after a new install, and apt-get upgrade, I find gstreamer0.8-mad cannot be installed with the message about an impossible request etc
[02:29] <Guybrush|Numb> paste (in priv if necessary) the complete err msg plz
[02:29] <tritium> jelte, yep
[02:30] <lewis> does this work
[02:30] <thoreauputic> also xdialog, dillo and others - Guybrush|Numb- wa theat for me re. pasting error?
[02:30] <AndyR> jelte, that will work, ive done it a number of times
[02:30] <tritium> lewis, yeah, Hoary is great
[02:30] <thoreauputic> *was that
[02:30] <Guybrush|Numb> yep, can't understand which error are you talking about
[02:31] <jelte> AndyR, will ubuntu cd allow me to boot in rescue mode? and then use "chroot /mnt/sysimage" ?  or should i use another live cd like knoppix?
[02:31] <lewis> 
[02:31] <lewis> good
[02:31] <thoreauputic> Guybrush|Numb, hang on a sec and I'll reproduce it...
[02:31] <lewis> i am downloading it now
[02:31] <AndyR> jelte, i used ubuntu live cd
[02:31] <MM2> Guybrush|Numb: I would like not to crawl all packages thru... if some1 knows allready nice package, it would be nice
[02:31] <jelte> AndyR, ta... will give it a go a bit later
[02:32] <thoreauputic> Guybrush|Numb, sorry, another apt-get in progress, will have to wait for the lock file.. :(
[02:32] <Guybrush|Numb> thoreauputic: i'm not going anywhere :)
[02:33] <thoreauputic> Guybrush|Numb, OK ;)
[02:35] <thoreauputic> heh disappear...
[02:35] <thoreauputic> like the "s" in my spelling
[02:38] <chillywilly> anyone know of any software on linux that will let you print multiple photos of different size on one page?
[02:38] <Guybrush|eatin> be right back
[02:38] <chillywilly> like a sheet of wallet size pictures or whatever
[02:39] <thoreauputic> Guybrush|eatin, I can paste that error in #flood if you're there
[02:40] <Guybrush|eatin> joinin
[02:40] <thoreauputic> k
[02:40] <Guybrush|eatin> there
[02:40] <tritium> chillywilly, http://www.fogman.de/gpp/
[02:41] <chillywilly> what about: http://www.tinyminds.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=49&page=1
[02:41] <chillywilly> there ya go
[02:41] <Guybrush|eatin> thoreauputic: what if you try to apt-get libidtag....
[02:41] <chillywilly> that looks more user freindly
[02:41] <chillywilly> your url that is
[02:42] <da_bon_bon> AndyR: graphical or text ?
[02:42] <haffe> Do you think gnome will be usable on a pIII 600 128 mb ram 8 mb grapics card, or should I stick with xfce?
[02:42] <chillywilly> tritium: sudo apt-get install gnome-photo-printer :)
[02:44] <tritium> chillywilly, I haven't used it.  I just saw it today, actually.  Anyway, I'll be back later.
[02:45] <thoreauputic_> Guybrush|eatin, sorry my isp cut me off at the crucial moment...
[02:45] <thoreauputic_> did you get the paste?
[02:46] <thoreauputic_> OK he's eating.. *sigh*
[02:47] <Guybrush|eatin> thoreauputic: got it
[02:48] <Guybrush|eatin> thoreauputic: what if you try to apt-get install libidtag3....
[02:48] <thoreauputic_> Guybrush|eatin, I've seen this with debian sarge/sid, but I didn't expect it with warty: tried to install the library- not installable either :(
[02:49] <Guybrush|eatin> with which error ? :)
[02:49] <thoreauputic_> :) similar... hang on...
[02:50] <thoreauputic_> Guybrush|eatin, in #flood again...
[02:50] <Guybrush|eatin> already there
[02:53] <Welly> my desktop resolution is set to 1024x768, however the resolution for the login screen is much higher, i think 1280 x 1024. Where would I change the resolution for the login screen?
[02:55] <Zotnix> Welly, I'm not sure that is even possible. GDM (the login screen) runs under X as well as Gnome.
[02:55] <Zotnix> X sets the resolution.
[02:56] <rubixXx> if i set ubuntu to a debian test apt-get mirror will that harm my system that much (if all goes well and upgrades work)
[02:57] <Golfer> good morning people
[02:57] <rubixXx> mornin
[02:57] <binks> mornin
[02:57] <stuNNed> rubixXx: i wouldn't mix repo's unless you know what you're doing really
[02:57] <Zotnix> rubixXx, don't think it would be a good idea.
[02:58] <Zotnix> rubixXx, the only time I personally ever mix packages from Debian is if Ubuntu doesn't supply it.
[02:58] <stuNNed> everyone's aware of the hoary bug when run sound juicer it doesn't eject teh cd right? lol
[02:59] <rubixXx> well actually i was thinking of upgrading my OS with debian mirrors
[02:59] <rubixXx> are there some ubuntu apt-get mirrors for this?
[02:59] <rubixXx> with the "testing" status
[03:00] <Zotnix> rubixXx, hoary.
[03:00] <stuNNed> rubixXx: if you do a full upgrade it *might* work
[03:00] <chillywilly> (gnome-photo-printer:13845): GnomePrintCupsPlugin-WARNING **: iconv does not support ppd character encoding: ISOLatin1, trying CSISOLatin1
[03:00] <Zotnix> rubixXx, it's as current as you can get.
[03:00] <rubixXx> alright thats cool
[03:00] <racoontje|clone> rubixXx, hoary is somewhere around debian unstable.
[03:00] <racoontje|clone> except it isn't unstable.
[03:00] <rubixXx> will i have to burn another cd, or can i just use mirrors
[03:00] <rubixXx> ok
[03:00] <stuNNed> mirrors
[03:00] <rubixXx> can sum1 paste me their x.list file?
[03:00] <racoontje|clone> rubixXx, I wouldn't try dist-upgrading using ubuntu repositories.
[03:00] <racoontje|clone> There are some serious differences
[03:01] <racoontje|clone> mainly python2.4 =! python =! python2.3
[03:01] <racoontje|clone> which causes everything using python to break really
[03:01] <Golfer> rubixXxjust xhange warty to hoary in yours
[03:01] <comcor> silly question, but does anyone know how to get firefox to use esound for things like flash?
[03:01] <racoontje|clone> rubixXx, what distro are you using now
[03:01] <stuNNed> rubixXx: just change all names in 'warty' to 'hoary' in /etc/apt/sources.list right guys?
[03:01] <racoontje|clone> comcor, isn't that the plugins duty?
[03:02] <racoontje|clone> stuNNed, only if he has ubuntu now
[03:02] <stuNNed> ok racoon
[03:02] <rubixXx> unbuntu 4.10 warty
[03:02] <comcor> no clue, but I remember that debian had configuration screen for audio wrappers for firefox
[03:02] <comcor> that ubuntu didn't have
[03:03] <rubixXx> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[03:03] <rubixXx> eb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[03:03] <rubixXx> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[03:03] <rubixXx> so those are ok?
[03:03] <stuNNed> rubixXx: ALL of them lol
[03:03] <stuNNed> change 'warty' to 'hoary'
[03:03] <rubixXx> stuNNed, i used find/replace
[03:04] <Josip> hello everybody, when I try to boot from HDD I get "Invalid System Disk", damaged MBR ?
[03:04] <rubixXx> thank ya'll for putting up with me without smokes, you guys truly have patience
[03:04] <Josip> I had Dual-Boot before, Win98 (first partition) and WinXP(second one). When I've formatted the first partition (Win98's one) the boot loader (some stupid Intel Boot Agent) got fooked up .
[03:05] <Josip> I have no floppy-drive and no Ubuntu installed on the machine .
[03:05] <Josip> how can I boot XP to make some backup and erase the whole disk then ?
[03:05] <stuNNed> Josip: just boot from ubuntu cdrom and format all
[03:05] <Josip> I need to backup first
[03:05] <rubixXx> Josip, if you need to update you can backup xp files if you want from linux
[03:06] <Josip> Well, I have no Ubuntu installed and I can't burn CDs with Ubuntu's LiveCD
[03:06] <rubixXx> Josip, what are you in
[03:06] <Josip> LiveCD .
[03:06] <rubixXx> qtparted
[03:07] <baluba> hi
[03:07] <rubixXx> just make a new partition, put the files on that one and leave it alone when you install
[03:07] <rubixXx> resize or delete a partition and make a new one, then copy your files to that one, really simple
[03:07] <baluba> nautilus burning feature does also audio-cd?
[03:07] <Josip> baluba, yes afaik
[03:07] <Zotnix> baluba, no.
[03:08] <Josip> well, I can't resize with the LiveCD
[03:08] <Josip> and I haven't got WinXP cd here
[03:08] <baluba> Zotnix, tnx
[03:08] <Zotnix> Nautilus Burn only does ISO files to CD or data CDs
[03:08] <Josip> Gnome Baker does
[03:08] <Zotnix> If you want audio CDs I suggest poking around for something called "MrBurns" or "Graveman"
[03:10] <baluba> well i use k3b but have the need to other non skilled users and that one require to be run as root
[03:10] <stuNNed> gnomebaker supposed to be good i heard
[03:10] <stuNNed> k3b sucks with it's need for root in install imho and can't run it with sudo, k3b-setup, that is
[03:11] <DrNick__> hi
[03:11] <Golfer> baluba it only requires root in warty
[03:11] <Zotnix> I dunno. I don't use k3b
[03:11] <baluba> Golfer, exactly
[03:12] <Golfer> and to run k3b you simply type gksudo k3b
[03:12] <stuNNed> Zotnix: use gnomebaker?
[03:12] <Zotnix> stuNNed, nope. I use graveman.
[03:12] <stuNNed> Golfer: i was talking about k3b-setup, where were you?
[03:12] <rubixXx> don't use k3b
[03:12] <rubixXx> its crap
[03:12] <DrNick__> i just upgraded a hp notebook from warty to hoary. everything works fine (wooho, ubuntu rocks), except two things: cups and application startup times in gnome
[03:12] <stuNNed> kd3 looks like a fscking candy cane imho
[03:12] <stuNNed> kd3 kandy
[03:12] <stuNNed> eh, kde*
[03:12] <rubixXx> apt-get upgrade dist right?
[03:13] <stuNNed> apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:13] <rubixXx> ok ty
[03:13] <DrNick__> cups refuses to start up, saying Unable to bind socket for address 7f000001:631
[03:14] <DrNick__> sounds like a IPv6 problem to me, can anybody confirm this or knows the source of this problem?
[03:16] <prego> Can I use gnomebaker in warty?
[03:16] <prego> or graveman?
[03:17] <Zotnix> Never tried... sorry :/
[03:18] <baluba> btw i don't have neither of the twos in warty
[03:18] <prego> Oh, gnomebaker is available for warty ;-) :http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/ubuntu/warty/gnomebaker/releases/i386/gnomebaker_0.3-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[03:18] <zeiter> anyone doesnt mind helping a newbie..yes i read the documentation but im still a bit lost
[03:18] <DrNick__> hmm, another thing: my gnome session tages ages to start up. i log into gdm, then it takes about five minutes till the startup screen shows up. after that, (almost) everything works fine.
[03:19] <Golfer> zeiter hello what are you needing
[03:19] <zeiter> golfer: can I msg u?
[03:19] <DrNick__> there's nothing eating my cpu, it's just a blank screen with my x cursor and gnome background color for five minutes.
[03:20] <prego> DrNick__, perhaps wrong /etc/resolve.conf ?
[03:20] <prego> DrNick__, I doubt it, anyway
[03:21] <DrNick__> prego: hmm, resolving works... there's just one nameserver entry, but that's the right nameserver for our subnet.
[03:21] <prego> DrNick__, create a new user and see if it also happens for her
[03:21] <DrNick__> prego: hmm, ok
[03:22] <LinuxJones> DrNick__, did you add any applets to the gnome panel by chance ?
[03:22] <DrNick__> LinuxJones: yes, lots of :-)
[03:22] <LinuxJones> DrNick__, was the update manager one of them ?
[03:23] <LinuxJones> DrNick__, I had the same problem I removed Update-Manager applet and it got solved.
[03:23] <DrNick__> LinuxJones: umm, no. i've got sticky notes, tomboy, this cpu speed monitor, network monitor, battery monitor, sound, time.
[03:24] <prego> Does anyone know if it is easy to do UDF CDRW in warty?
[03:24] <DrNick__> LinuxJones: but i can remove them and try again, thanks
[03:25] <LinuxJones> DrNick__, GL :)
[03:26] <onno> Maybe somebody can help me with this one: I use PHP and the GD library but apparently Ubunutu warty has a bug surronding php4-gd because I can't use it in PHP4
[03:26] <onno> Anybody had simelar problem and how do I solve it?
[03:26] <DrNick__> also, a java app (jar bundle) that worked fine before now takes about two minutes to start up. eclipse starts up instantly
[03:26] <muscibot> hello every1
[03:27] <muscibot> can someone help me?
[03:27] <DrNick__> ok, i think i can solve these. thanks, linuxjones & prego
[03:28] <LinuxJones> Anybody tried GnomeBaker on Ubuntu ??
[03:28] <muscibot> whats that?
[03:28] <LinuxJones> It looks awesome
[03:28] <Zotnix> CD Burning app
[03:28] <muscibot> ok
[03:28] <prego> LinuxJones, But you have no way to create a custom CD data structure
[03:28] <DrNick__> once again, concerning cups: is there some kind of known bug about cups startup and IPv6 or something else that prevents cups from starting
[03:29] <prego> LinuxJones, just installed it
[03:29] <LinuxJones> muscibot, a hot looking cd/dvd burning project
[03:29] <onno> Does somebody know what to do to use the GD lib in php
[03:29] <muscibot> Does any1 know of a program like Ghost Mouse for Ubuntu?
[03:29] <LinuxJones> prego, it is only @ version .3 but looks awesome
[03:29] <stvn> muscibot: what does it do?
[03:29] <eskilo> how do i bzip a directory?
[03:30] <prego> LinuxJones, I would prefer Nautilus could import session...
[03:30] <Welly> how would I go about upgrade firefox from 0.9 t o1
[03:30] <Welly> ?
[03:30] <muscibot> brb
[03:30] <eskilo> get the package from debian.org Welly
[03:30] <prego> eskilo, tar cvfj file.tar.bz2 directory
[03:30] <Welly> ok cheers
[03:30] <eskilo> or actually, if you upgrade to hoary i believe it's included Welly
[03:30] <LinuxJones> prego, yeah
[03:31] <LinuxJones> eskilo, or you can use file-roller
[03:31] <Welly> oh right.. is hoary stable enough for general use?
[03:31] <eskilo> thanks, i prefer command line.
[03:31] <LinuxJones> eskilo, good man :D
[03:31] <stvn> Welly: i use it for several months now without (too much) trouble
[03:31] <Welly> oh ok.. when does it finally get released?
[03:32] <prego> graveman ubunty i386 binary: ftp://ftp.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/graveman/graveman_0.3.6-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
[03:32] <Zotnix> I use graveman
[03:32] <Zotnix> I like it.
[03:32] <Sav> I made a "apt-get dist-upgrade" and now my network wount start at all. Any ideas?
[03:32] <Zotnix> Has some bugs with audio CDs though
[03:32] <stvn> Welly: march IIRC
[03:32] <Welly> ahh ok.. cool.. not far off
[03:32] <Welly> i might hang on
[03:33] <kzm> Hi all...
[03:33] <muscibot> Sorry...I'm back
[03:33] <kzm> I have a bit funny behaviour with my disk and badblocks
[03:33] <stvn> Welly: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[03:33] <kzm> Anybody with any experience with this?
[03:33] <muscibot> stvn...ghost mouse is a prog that records your mouse and loops it..
[03:33] <kzm> (And I finished mahjongg in 4:45, but the scores refuse to show :-)
[03:34] <muscibot> I use it quite often but I hate windows and have switched over and now I cant get it to work
[03:34] <stvn> muscibot: eh? how do you mean record/loop?
[03:35] <crimsun> Sav: any more symptoms?
[03:35] <muscibot> well it records the movements and clicks of your mouse and does that action continuously
[03:35] <stvn> ah ok
[03:35] <muscibot> very cool if you dont want to do things repetively
[03:35] <Sav> crimsun, nope
[03:35] <muscibot> i got it to work with cedega but it doesnt click it onl moves
[03:36] <thesilverhand> anyone have java working in hoary?
[03:36] <crimsun> thesilverhand: absolutely.
[03:36] <Sav> crimsun, i dont gate my eth0 to show while doing ifconfig. I can see it in dmseg.
[03:36] <stvn> muscibot: can't really help you with that, google for it, or write a macro to do the repetative stuff for you
[03:36] <LinuxJones> muscibot, you mean kind of like a cron but for X ?
[03:36] <thesilverhand> crimsun: I tried instructions on both forum howto and in the wiki...no luck
[03:36] <crimsun> Sav: does ,,ip a'' show it's up?
[03:37] <thesilverhand> any suggestions?
[03:37] <muscibot> how do u write a macro
[03:37] <LinuxJones> muscibot, there is xnee if you need that
[03:37] <muscibot> a cron?
[03:37] <crimsun> thesilverhand: which jre/jdk?
[03:37] <muscibot> where do i get that?
[03:37] <Sav> crimsun, im getting "Cant read /etc/network/interfaces" on startup. but the darn file is there
[03:37] <LinuxJones> muscibot, xnee records xwindows outpuut to a file then you can call it to replay the recorded sections of xwindows
[03:38] <crimsun> Sav: what are the permissions on it?
[03:38] <thesilverhand> crimsun: tried jre1.4.2 as per forum howto, failed, then 1.5.0 as per wiki, failed
[03:38] <crimsun> thesilverhand: "failed" how?
[03:38] <muscibot> ok
[03:38] <thesilverhand> crimsun: sun's java site still can't detect jre on my computer
[03:39] <crimsun> thesilverhand: so it's a mozilla-firefox plugin issue?
[03:39] <muscibot> and whats windowx? a windows emulator?
[03:39] <thesilverhand> crimsun: yes
[03:39] <LinuxJones> muscibot, from the website >> " Xnee is a suite of programs that can record, replay and distribute user actions under the X11 environment. Think of it as a robot that can imitate the job you just did."
[03:39] <prego> (talking about cd burning apps) anyone has tested coaster in ubuntu?
[03:39] <crimsun> thesilverhand: show me the symlink.
[03:39] <crimsun> prego: no, but have you tried graveman?
[03:39] <HaloGray> thesilverhand: Just download JRE manually
[03:40] <HaloGray> thesilverhand: that way you don't need the site to detect if you have it installed or not
[03:40] <muscibot> ok
[03:40] <prego> crimsun, graveman seems not to import session.... Am I wrong?
[03:40] <Sav> crimsun,  -rw-r--r-- root:root
[03:40] <muscibot> thats linuxjones
[03:40] <crimsun> prego: no idea, I use cdrecord directly.
[03:40] <AndyR> prego, i use k3b
[03:40] <muscibot> ag thanks^^
[03:40] <BeTa> mmm... what tool runs to optimize the cpu frequency on ubuntu-ppc ? pbbuttonsd ?
[03:41] <binks> can i use k3b in gnome
[03:41] <HaloGray> thesilverhand: Have you seen this- http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre ?
[03:41] <crimsun> binks: sure. installing it will download and install the necessary dependencies.
[03:42] <H0lyD4wg> on my newly installed Ubuntu eth0 is not RUNNING . what could be the cause and how should i fix it?
[03:43] <HaloGray> What does sudo ifconfig
[03:43] <HaloGray> show you for eth0 ?
[03:43] <prego> AndyR, I like the coaster-burn Idea: "no file manager inside- use Nautilus to drag files" (AFAIK)
[03:44] <HaloGray> is there something even close to the power of nero for linux?
[03:44] <floater> where are Applications Places and Desktop  gnome shortcuts located? I want to place them to the tab on the bottom instead
[03:44] <AndyR> prego, i dont like burning coasters :)
[03:44] <crimsun> Sav: you have tried debugging ,,sudo ifup eth0'' with strace -F -f ?
[03:44] <AndyR> HaloGray, yes k3b
[03:44] <HaloGray> isn't that happier under kde though?
[03:45] <prego> HaloGray, you can use it under gnome, also
[03:45] <HaloGray> neat
[03:45] <H0lyD4wg> HaloGray, UP BROADCAST MULTICAST inet addr 10.0.0.3 Bcast 10.255.255.255 Mask: 255.255.255.0
[03:45] <BeTa> first, this is an X tool... then a KDE one
[03:45] <BeTa> the power of X is to be able to run kde tools on gnome for example :cb
[03:45] <HaloGray> Seems to be up
[03:45] <zeiter> ok guys, there is something weird, my sound only works in xmms....why?
[03:46] <HaloGray> can you type: ping 10.0.0.3
[03:46] <HaloGray> and get a response?
[03:46] <crimsun> zeiter: not even in the Test(s) of ,,gstreamer-properties''?
[03:46] <NetwrkMonkey> zeiter, what type of audio?
[03:46] <LechGlowiak> does anyone have got problem with libglib2.0-0?
[03:46] <crimsun> LechGlowiak: not that I know of
[03:47] <AndyR> HaloGray, it needs to install a fair few kde libs etc iirc
[03:47] <AngryClip> when installing, is there anyway to use a previousley initalised swap?
[03:47] <AngryClip> like you can in debian
[03:47] <NetwrkMonkey> if it's cd audio, you might be missing the cable fromt he cd to the mobo
[03:47] <H0lyD4wg> HaloGray, ping to 10.0.0.3 responds alright. pings to other hosts on the network say "dest host unreachable"
[03:47] <LechGlowiak> I just cannot install anything what depends on it...i got newest avail version installed:/
[03:47] <crimsun> AngryClip: sure, drop to a shell (alt+f2) and make it exists, then swapon
[03:47] <crimsun> make sure^
[03:48] <AngryClip> when in installation do I do that?
[03:48] <HaloGray> H0lyD4wg: It would seem that your net information is off... subnet is 255.255.255.0 yet bcast is 10.255.255.255
[03:48] <Sav> crimsun, "ifup: coulden't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"
[03:48] <crimsun> AngryClip: if it's not available in expert mode, then do it as soon as the udeb for part* have been unpacked and loaded
[03:49] <HaloGray> H0lyD4wg: That doesn't make sense... the bcast should be 10.0.0.255 if anything, but 10.0 isn't a private IP either
[03:49] <HaloGray> Are you behind a router?
[03:50] <crimsun> Sav: I presume /etc/network/interfaces is non-empty?
[03:50] <HaloGray> Sav: try cat /etc/network/interfaces and be sure something is in there
[03:50] <Sav> crimsun, got it working, it was an error in the interfaces file
[03:51] <crimsun> Sav: excellent.
[03:51] <H0lyD4wg> HaloGray, yes, and yes, there's something in there. changing bcast to 10.0.0.255 via ifconfig didn't solve it.
[03:51] <HaloGray> Does your router use dhcp?
[03:52] <H0lyD4wg> HaloGray, no, all the addresses are statically allocated.
[03:52] <HaloGray> ahh, have another box you can look at the information on?
[03:52] <bluefoxicy> I need to automate net one day and apparently adding it to /etc/network/interfaces doesn't work, plus htf do I make iptables rules apply on boot
[03:53] <HaloGray> You'll need to have the same subnet and default gateway as every other box on your network
[03:53] <HaloGray> the ip needs to be different, but not drastically
[03:53] <HaloGray> I can tell you your range if you give me the subnet and default gateway
[03:53] <bluefoxicy> I know
[03:53] <AngryClip> what "installer components" do I need to load from the cd?
[03:53] <bluefoxicy> when i reboot I have to run iptables and add the rules myself
[03:53] <bluefoxicy> and also manually bring up eth0
[03:53] <AngryClip> is all of them a good assumption
[03:53] <floater> hey should those automatic updates be updated ?
[03:53] <bluefoxicy> because it doesn't sake the fucking rules
[03:53] <bluefoxicy> *save
[03:54] <floater> after installing ubuntu hoary it says there is over 100mb to update right away
[03:54] <H0lyD4wg> HaloGray, i have the right gateway and IP. where can i see what my subnet should be?
[03:54] <AndyR> floater, yes
[03:54] <floater> oh
[03:54] <HaloGray> on another box running windows 98?/xp? or linux?
[03:55] <floater> AndyR: do you know if I can move those "applications" "places" and "desktop" links in that one tab to the other tab?
[03:55] <H0lyD4wg> HaloGray, yes, but what should i type when i'm there?
[03:55] <AndyR> floater, what hoary source did you use to upgrade?
[03:55] <HaloGray> It depends on which of the 3 you have....
[03:55] <HaloGray> 98: start > run > command > ipconfig
[03:55] <HaloGray> XP: start > run > cmd > ipconfig
[03:55] <floater> none, I installed hoary as clean install
[03:56] <HaloGray> linuxboy: open terminal > ifconfig
[03:56] <AndyR> floater, where did you get hoary cd image?
[03:56] <floater> from distrowatch.org
[03:56] <AngryClip> can I run the "Auto-configure network with DHCP" script later, if so where is it. Or is my only option to run it in the installer
[03:56] <AndyR> floater, thats first mistake :)
[03:56] <floater> heheh and why is that
[03:56] <binks> when i install k3b using the synaptic thingy how will i start k3b
[03:57] <surrounder> binks: alt+f2 k3b ?
[03:57] <AndyR> floater, you should have got it from http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/20050211/
[03:57] <floater> I would like to modify my panels
[03:57] <HaloGray> I search for k3b in synaptec and I don't find it... I'm running hoary though, is there a repository I have to add?
[03:58] <H0lyD4wg> HaloGray, ok, it's 255.255.255.0
[03:58] <HaloGray> That set up just doesn't make any sense... but ok then
[03:58] <HaloGray> Can you ping another machine on your network?
[03:58] <AngryClip> what script does the "Configure the network" dialoug run in the install? can I run it at a later date?
[03:59] <sun_> how can i active that my cdroms are mounted automatically
[03:59] <mike998> can I burn a cue/bin file using nautilus?
[03:59] <H0lyD4wg> no. (there other machines have this setup and they're pinging each other without any problems)
[04:00] <alexrait> I can't listen to wmv files.... I downloaded the essential codecs from the mplayer wbsite and installed them to /usr/local/lib/codecs then I've installed gxine... and told it where to find the codecs.. but neither totem nor gxine can't play wmv format
[04:00] <alexrait> I mean they do play it but with no sound
[04:00] <HaloGray> are you running hoary?
[04:00] <HaloGray> alexrait I mean
[04:01] <scizzo> alexrait: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:01] <HaloGray> H0lyD4wg: Try bringing the interface down and then back up again
[04:01] <HaloGray> sudo ifdown eth0
[04:01] <HaloGray> sudo ifup eth0
[04:01] <alexrait> HaloGray, yes.. I have hoary..
[04:02] <HaloGray> also, it has a different ip from anything else on the network right?
[04:02] <HaloGray> hoary has sound issues :D
[04:02] <HaloGray> actually it isn't hoary per say, but the latest version of esd that hogs the sound card
[04:02] <HaloGray> open a terminal and type killall esd
[04:02] <HaloGray> then try and play a movie and see if you get audio
[04:03] <alexrait> I did it already... doesn't help
[04:03] <HaloGray> all of your audio is turned up?
[04:03] <alexrait> HaloGray, yes.. I can't listen to mp3
[04:04] <crimsun> only mp3s?
[04:04] <alexrait> I can listen to wma format with a compiled mplayer.. but there I can't see the video :)
[04:04] <alexrait> wmv I mean
[04:04] <HaloGray> what are your players set to use for audio?
[04:05] <HaloGray> as I have issues with oss on hoary as well
[04:05] <HaloGray> I have to use alsa or nothin
[04:05] <HaloGray> and alsa only works if esd is killed
[04:06] <H0lyD4wg> HaloGray, ifdown didn't bring it down. bringing it down via ifconfig and back up with ifup didn't solve it.
[04:06] <HaloGray> why didn't ifdown bring it down?
[04:06] <HaloGray> Did it give an error?
[04:07] <alexrait> HaloGray, it doesn't matter what I choose.. I still can't hear anything... and that's only with wmv..
[04:07] <HaloGray> and mp3?
[04:07] <fordfan753> lib problems?
[04:08] <alexrait> HaloGray, mp3 is ok..
[04:08] <alexrait> with esd.
[04:08] <HaloGray> Running hoary, I followed this guide to the T to install mplayer: http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[04:08] <HaloGray> only difference being that I used the modern codec files and installer instead of the one in the guide
[04:08] <HaloGray> I get sound and video out of wmv files
[04:08] <HaloGray> So check it over and see if there's a step there you haven't done
[04:09] <alexrait> I saw that script... Before compiling mplayer, I installed all but x-window-system-dev..
[04:09] <alexrait> can it be that this is the reason I can't see video?
[04:09] <alexrait> I didn't want to install it since it's about 50 MB..
[04:09] <HaloGray> kind of doubt it... but I'm surprised you can get a gui without that
[04:10] <alexrait> I don't have gui... didn't compile with --enable-gui
[04:10] <HaloGray> I'd double check that your codecs are in the right place
[04:10] <HaloGray> oh ok
[04:10] <sun_> how can i let my cdroms are mounted automatically?
[04:10] <rubixXx> yay it worked
[04:11] <H0lyD4wg> HaloGray, ifdown does bring it down now. ifup brings it up but says SET fail on drive eth0; invalid argument. . still can't ping the other hosts.
[04:11] <rubixXx> yay it worked woop woop
[04:11] <tritium> chillywilly, okay, I'm back.
[04:13] <HaloGray> can you ping 127.0.0.1 ?
[04:13] <chrissturm> when using polypaudio, do i use the esd sink with gstreamer or do i need a polypaudio sink?
[04:14] <crimsun> chrissturm: by default, polypaudio is configured to accept esd, so you don't have to reconfigure anything.
[04:14] <crimsun> chrissturm: that's why polypaudio is known as a "drop-in" replacement for esound.
[04:14] <H0lyD4wg> HaloGray, yes
[04:15] <chrissturm> crimsun: i thought so, but it doesnt seem to work. i am using muine, but xmms also doesnt play
[04:15] <HaloGray> but you can't ping your own IP on eth0 ?
[04:15] <crimsun> chrissturm: make sure polypaudio is actually running
[04:15] <crimsun> chrissturm: and that the sound applications are still configured to use esd
[04:16] <tritium> crimsun, have you switched from esd to polypaudio?
[04:16] <chrissturm> crimsun: do you know if muine uses the gstreamer settings?
[04:16] <inc> sup peeps
[04:16] <crimsun> tritium: in early January, yes.
[04:16] <H0lyD4wg> HaloGray, i can ping my own ip, but not those of other hosts.
[04:16] <inc> yo crimsun.. i'm still having issues with that sound card hah
[04:17] <crimsun> chrissturm: no, muine is compiled to use the xine-lib backend (the gst backend is deprecated for muine)
[04:17] <sig_ubuntu> My battery life is getting sucked to nothing
[04:17] <sig_ubuntu> only been running 3 minutes and I'm at 72%
[04:17] <chrissturm> crimsun: interesting, i thought most apps are moving in the other direction
[04:18] <crimsun> chrissturm: in what other direction, directly to alsa-lib's dmix/dsnoop/asym?
[04:18] <tritium> sig, do you have powernowd installed and working?
[04:18] <sig_ubuntu> yeah it's installed
[04:19] <crimsun> inc: what sort?
[04:19] <chrissturm> crimsun: i thought gst is the direction to go.
[04:19] <chrissturm> for new gnome media apps
[04:20] <sig_ubuntu> tritium: I'm less than 68% now
[04:20] <sig_ubuntu> wtf?
[04:20] <crimsun> chrissturm: gst is orthogonal to the actual sound backend, actually.
[04:20] <inc> i upgraded to hoary and i get this during start upCS4231 soundcard not found or device busy
[04:21] <crimsun> chrissturm: gst is capable of using oss, esd, alsa, nas, jack, ...
[04:21] <chrissturm> crimsun: i have default polypaudio config, and it seems that it doesnt accept esd connections
[04:21] <jdub> chrissturm: it does
[04:21] <crimsun> chrissturm: the default absolutely does, I just tested on a brand new hoary install.
[04:21] <tritium> sig_ubuntu, could be you have a bad battery
[04:21] <H0lyD4wg> HaloGray, i can ping my own ip, but not those of other hosts.
[04:21] <jdub> chrissturm: gstreamer is a multimedia library, not a sound daemon
[04:21] <chrissturm> crimsun: must be something weird with my setup
[04:22] <sig_ubuntu> tritium: new laptop I highly doubt that
[04:22] <sig_ubuntu> PowerNowd encountered and error and could not start.
[04:22] <crimsun> inc: cat /proc/asound/modules
[04:22] <tritium> sig_ubuntu, sounds like part of the problem
[04:22] <chrissturm> crimsun: i understand that. i was just wondering why muine moved from gst to xine
[04:23] <jdub> chrissturm: it was always based on xine
[04:23] <sig_ubuntu> tritium: yeah looking into dmesg for errors
[04:23] <jdub> chrissturm: only recently has it been ported to gstreamer
[04:23] <inc> crimsun: nothing
[04:23] <Amaranth> totem?
[04:23] <crimsun> inc: "nothing" meaning the file doesn't exist, or...?
[04:24] <HaloGray> H0lyD4wg: If you can ping your own eth0 ip that means that the device is working
[04:24] <tritium> sig_ubuntu, you probably need to load a module like speedstep_ich and cpufreq_userspace, or whichever applies to your hardware
[04:24] <inc> yeah file does not exist
[04:24] <HaloGray> the problem is in your net configs
[04:24] <inc> he is my lsmod if it helps http://minimzx.com/lsmod1.txt
[04:24] <HaloGray> are you SURE that your subnet and default gateway are the same as on your other boxes?
[04:25] <chrissturm> jdub: i was referring to crimsun saying gstreamer is deprecated and xine lib is used now
[04:25] <chrissturm> jdub: in muine
[04:25] <donpaolo> Hi guys! I installed ubuntu on a no-networked pc, and now I want to set the network configuration. How do I config the network parameters (gateway, etc.)? Thank you!
[04:26] <donpaolo> (there isn't a etherconf package)
[04:26] <HaloGray> donpaolo: type ifconfig -a and see if you have an eth0 interface already
[04:26] <HaloGray> it may have detected the card even though nothing was active
[04:26] <baluba> donpaolo, ubiquitous
[04:27] <davyd> does anyone know about Ubuntu Hoary and iPods
[04:27] <H0lyD4wg> HaloGray, yes.
[04:27] <davyd> and why it happily mounts and umounts and mounts and umounts and mounts and umounts this thing
[04:27] <donpaolo> HaloGray: yes, I have a eth0 interface
[04:27] <donpaolo> baluba: what is ubiquitous?
[04:27] <davyd> destroying system interactivity in the process
[04:27] <HaloGray> donpaolo: the easiest way to go about setting it up then would be to go through gnome
[04:28] <HaloGray> there's a network config wizard
[04:28] <Amaranth> davyd: hmm, is the iPod on or off when you start this?
[04:28] <Amaranth> err, when you hook it up
[04:28] <donpaolo> HaloGray: let me see...
[04:28] <davyd> Amaranth: on
[04:28] <jdub> it's the other way around... anyway.
[04:28] <Amaranth> davyd: Does anything come up on the iPod when it does this?
[04:28] <rubixXx> how do i add a device to /etc/fstab
[04:29] <davyd> Amaranth: sure, it says "Do not disconnect"
[04:29] <davyd> hotplug finds it
[04:29] <davyd> device nodes are created
[04:29] <Amaranth> heh
[04:29] <davyd> it even mounts it
[04:29] <davyd> and then for some reason I haven't yet worked out
[04:29] <inc> crimsun: you get that?
[04:29] <davyd> decides to remove the device nodes
[04:29] <davyd> without cleanly unmounting the filesystem
[04:29] <jdub> chrissturm: other way around
[04:29] <davyd> then starts again
[04:29] <Amaranth> davyd: Yeah, nasty sounding bug that could damage the iPod.
[04:30] <davyd> Amaranth: I've only just reformatted it
[04:30] <davyd> so I don't mind too much about filesystem damage
[04:30] <Amaranth> davyd: Well, gnome-volume-manager is the one that automounts it, iirc
[04:31] <Amaranth> davyd: kill -9 that ;)
[04:31] <chrissturm> jdub: thought so
[04:31] <davyd> Amaranth: interesting
[04:31] <acs> hello
[04:31] <baluba> davyd, http://carlos.pemas.net/blog/20041024002.html
[04:31] <davyd> Amaranth: that might explain why it seems that two things are trying to get at my iPod
[04:31] <chrissturm> hmm, i have /usr/bin/polypaudio running, i think with standard config, but esd doesnt work. what can i check?
[04:31] <Amaranth> what else would?
[04:32] <HaloGray> H0lyD4wg: I'm not terribly sure where else to go... it seems to me that the device definately works.
[04:32] <mjr> hmm, probably not necessary to kill gnome-volume-manager, just tell it not to automount removable drives
[04:32] <Amaranth> hotplug creates the device in the system and gnome-volume-manager uses that as a signal to mount it
[04:32] <davyd> Amaranth: not sure
[04:32] <HaloGray> Perhaps ping is disabled on your network?
[04:32] <HaloGray> Do you have the dns servers set up?
[04:32] <davyd> but it looks damned like something else is trying to play with it too
[04:32] <Amaranth> probably a couple extra layers in there too, like hal
[04:33] <H0lyD4wg> HaloGray, i haven't got DNS yet, but afaik it shouldn't matter since i'm using ip-addresses
[04:34] <tritium> crimsun, the final decision was not to include polypaudio in gnome 2.10, correct?
[04:34] <chrislo> hi #ubuntu . I have a printer in the office. I know the IP address, how do I add it as a printer to ubuntu ?
[04:34] <HaloGray> DNS is not the same as dhcp
[04:35] <HaloGray> dns stands for domain name servers, and those resolve domain names : www.google.com into ips
[04:35] <HaloGray> without that you can't do very much online
[04:35] <Amaranth> HaloGray: I don't have one of those right now, I'm doing fine. :)
[04:36] <Amaranth> The IP address for dnsstuff.com and a hosts file are all I need.
[04:36] <HaloGray> Amaranth: do you have dhcp?
[04:36] <jelte> hiya... is it me, or is the loudest the volume in ubuntu goes, not that loud at all?
[04:36] <Amaranth> HaloGray: I'm on dialup.
[04:36] <HaloGray> ah
[04:37] <HaloGray> H0lyD4wg: this is google's ip, try http://64.233.187.99/
[04:37] <donpaolo> HaloGray: apparently I set all in gnome, but it doesn't work. I have set my ip, the gateway ip, te dns's,... where do I set the routing?
[04:37] <BeTa> how does ubuntu manage the cpu frequency ?
[04:37] <H0lyD4wg> HaloGray, i know. DNS is irrelevant right now: no point in resolving domain-names to ip-addresses if i can't do anything with the ip-addresses.
[04:37] <tritium> chrislo, Computer->System Configuration->Printing
[04:38] <_greg> hello ubunto fellows, i have problems installing ubunto on a SATA disk, it seems like the default kernel doesn't recognize my sata controller, any ideas ?
[04:38] <rubixXx> i'm having problems getting my soundcard working
[04:38] <tck> has anyone managed to patch an orinoco card to run in rf mon. mode?
[04:39] <BeTa> _greg: have you ever tooken a look in the boot options ?
[04:39] <HaloGray> H0lyD4wg: can your other ip's ping eachother?
[04:39] <BeTa> _greg: there are options for special SATA hard drives I think
[04:39] <_greg> BeTa: yes, but i can't find parameters for sata
[04:39] <chrissturm> in my polypaudio config, do i need to uncomment the load module line for also or is the add-autoload-sink enough?
[04:40] <HaloGray> donpaolo: the actual configs that gnome is a front end for are /etc/network/interfaces
[04:40] <H0lyD4wg> HaloGray, yes.
[04:40] <BeTa> _greg: I'll try to check it... wait a second
[04:40] <HaloGray> you can open that and look at it to be be sure gnome set everything properly
[04:40] <HaloGray> sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[04:41] <donpaolo> HaloGray: but isn't there in ubuntu a debian way to config network? I remember that in the install process it asked for the network parameters... Where is that?
[04:41] <rubixXx> i'm having problems getting my soundcard tow ork
[04:41] <rubixXx> emu10k1 is installed but not functioning
[04:41] <HP_Owner> Hi all. I've been trying to get usb automounting to work with custom kernels, but still cant do it. can anyone help?
[04:41] <rubixXx> plus i don't have any codec for mp3 files
[04:41] <muscibot> i cant find Xnee
[04:41] <HaloGray> I'm not sure, but all that wizard would have done was edit the same file :)
[04:41] <Matrix_Soul> can anyone help me??
[04:42] <muscibot> linuxjones, where can I get it?
[04:42] <BeTa> _greg: have you tried to find you SATA controller in the list you get pressing F6 at the boot time ?
[04:42] <Matrix_Soul> since I installed hoary I dont hear anything
[04:43] <BeTa> Matrix_Soul: visit a specialist ;c)
[04:43] <HaloGray> Hey, it's that something awful guy :P
[04:45] <_greg> BeTa: i have a via k8m800 chipset so i guess i have an via sata controller, right? and i can't find a via controller in the list (F6)
[04:45] <H0lyD4wg> HaloGray, yes, other hosts on that network can ping each other.
[04:45] <HaloGray> H0lyD4wg: I'm not really sure what to tell you from here then... it certainly seems the card is in working order but perhaps not
[04:46] <CarlK> ubuntu uses xfree86, right?
[04:46] <HaloGray> hoary uses x.org I'm not sure about warty
[04:47] <det> Why would someone want to use ubuntu over vanilla debian?
[04:47] <CarlK> thats good enought for me
[04:47] <manobes> warty uses the last XFree release
[04:47] <HaloGray> debian hasn't been updated in a long time?
[04:47] <det> well, Debian sid
[04:47] <floater> what was the other text-based web-browser other than lynx?
[04:47] <manobes> det: it's got better support than sid.
[04:47] <Gagatan> floater: links
[04:47] <manobes> floater: elinks
[04:47] <floater> none of them
[04:47] <CarlK> is hoary good enough for me to isntall it on my GF's box?
[04:48] <floater> some w8m or smth like this... the one in ubuntu
[04:48] <HaloGray> no, hoary has some off audio problems
[04:48] <det> manobes: I dont know what that means exactly
[04:48] <det> manobes: any examples?
[04:48] <H0lyD4wg> floater, w3m
[04:48] <HaloGray> stick with warty and use the back ports project to get the latest software
[04:48] <CarlK> rats...
[04:48] <floater> ah yeu tx
[04:49] <HaloGray> donpaolo: After you configured eth0... did you try and bring it up?
[04:51] <donpaolo> HaloGray: I configured in gnome and exited the config program. do I have to restart it?
[04:51] <meuserj|work> det, I think it has a much better community than debian.. it's a lot easier to get involved.
[04:51] <det> How is it that "Most software in debian repositories is in Ubuntu"?
[04:52] <Guybrush|workin> most of it has been brought in ubuntu repositories
[04:52] <det> meuserj|work: interesting, how long has ubuntu been around?
[04:52] <daniels> carlos_: pong
[04:52] <R0bNyc> What happens if theres a debian package in its stable repository so that means its not in Ubuntu Hoary ?
[04:53] <meuserj|work> det, only since august... but in that short time, the community around Ubuntu has grown incredibly fast
[04:53] <carlos> daniels: I just reinstalled my powerbook laptop
[04:53] <carlos> daniels: with a hoary cd daily build
[04:53] <daniels> carlos: from today?
[04:53] <carlos> daniels: yesterday
[04:53] <carlos> daniels: X.org only lets me use 640x480 by default
[04:54] <HaloGray> donpaolo: type sudo ifdown eth0
[04:54] <HaloGray> then type sudo ifup eth0
[04:54] <HaloGray> and see if it takes the new settings
[04:54] <det> meuserj|work: I can't find any information on the website, What was the motivation for starting Ubuntu?
[04:54] <meuserj|work> det, another advantage (at least for GNOME users) is that ubuntu is very gnome-centric
[04:54] <carlos> I need to add the horizontal and vertical ranges so I'm able to use 1152x768
[04:55] <website> det, to have a stable and secure system for desktop
[04:55] <HP_Owner> nobody knows what is needed in the kernel for automounting to work?
[04:55] <website> HP_Owner, ???
[04:55] <Guybrush|workin> det: with debian-like flexibility
[04:55] <det> website: so basicly sid without the instability?
[04:55] <website> HP_Owner, what do you mean with "automount"?
[04:55] <HaloGray> is there any sort of software firewall like kerio for linux?
[04:55] <website> det, basically it is a sid with more features
[04:56] <HP_Owner> website, i've installed a custom kernel, but usb devices(although detected by hal-device-manager) aren't mounted
[04:56] <tritium> HaloGray, firestarter, maybe
[04:56] <website> det, i'm coming from 4 years of sid
[04:56] <det> website: more features?
[04:56] <donpaolo> HaloGray: doing the ifup it told me: error for wireless request "Set encode"... what does it mean?!?
[04:56] <website> det, yep
[04:56] <HaloGray> is this a wireless interface?
[04:56] <website> starting with xorg
[04:56] <donpaolo> HaloGray: no!
[04:56] <HaloGray> lol
[04:56] <det> website: I thought Debian is waiting for release to add Xorg
[04:56] <website> HP_Owner, maybe you didn't compile the usb section
[04:56] <HaloGray> hang on a moment
[04:57] <donpaolo> HaloGray: No
[04:57] <daniels> carlos: whoohoo :\ please send me full Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf
[04:57] <meuserj|work> det, well, it was started by Mark Shuttleworth, who is very involved with the OSS community... I'm not sure of his specific motivations though.
[04:57] <det> Does ubuntu support AMD64?
[04:57] <website> det, yes i think so.. but debian is better for desktop
[04:57] <HP_Owner> website, i've enabled the various usb things, but still no luck. i dont see anything specific for automounting
[04:57] <website> det, yes it supports
[04:57] <carlos> daniels: do you want a bug report or direct mail?
[04:57] <det> Well, that is better than Debian, I suppose :)
[04:57] <website> HP_Owner, automounting is not a feature of the kernel
[04:57] <HaloGray> try sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[04:57] <website> in ubuntu it is done by utopia system
[04:58] <meuserj|work> det, yes, Ubuntu has supported AMD64 from the beginning, I use it on my home computer
[04:58] <det> I think I will set aside some space and try it out
[04:58] <HaloGray> ifdown/ifup may work after it?
[04:58] <website> HP_Owner, install precompiled kernel
[04:58] <tritium> det, awesome :)
[04:58] <HP_Owner> website, oh right. so what is my kernel missing so that my usb pen gets mounted automatically?
[04:58] <website> det, i instaleld it after 4 years of sid, only one day, and thei deleted... debian..
[04:59] <website> HP_Owner, maybe usb mass storage
[04:59] <HP_Owner> website, with stock ubuntu kernels, i cant boot with acpi
[04:59] <priest> is it posible to configure postfix to -send- mail trough a relay smtp with password on the relay-server?
[04:59] <donpaolo> HaloGray: ok, it got it! But it still doesn't see the net! it only ping the gateway and the local net
[04:59] <Guybrush|workin> det: won't regret it :)
[04:59] <det> I wonder, how is it that "most software in the Debian repositories is in Ubuntu"?
[04:59] <website> my memory pen is automounted (it is not a feature by the kernel but utopia system utopia = udev + hotplug " i think")
[04:59] <det> Does Ubuntu have independant package maintainers?
[04:59] <Guybrush|workin> det: what is strange about it ?
[04:59] <HaloGray> well if it can ping the gateway then that's a good thing :)
[05:00] <HaloGray> try: ping 64.233.187.99
[05:00] <det> Guybrush|workin: Debian has a lot of package maintainers
[05:00] <HaloGray> that's googles address... lets see if you can get there
[05:00] <website> HP_Owner, install a precompiled kernel... and then test your pen
[05:00] <det> Guybrush|workin: is Ubuntu an entire fork with seperate maintainers?
[05:00] <tritium> det, not a fork
[05:00] <website> det, ubuntu is not a fork
[05:00] <HP_Owner> website, yeah i've got 2.6.8 installed and when i boot it it's perfect. but i',m running a laptop, and the kernel only boots with acpi=off, which is no good
[05:00] <website> it's a complementary project
[05:01] <daniels> carlos: preferably bug report; it's harder for those to get lost ;)
[05:01] <meuserj|work> det, ubuntu contributes it's changes to the debian community and vice-versa
[05:01] <njan> HP_Owner, have you tried acpi=noirq?
[05:01] <rubixXx> hmmm
[05:01] <njan> HP_Owner, I had some problems with older ubuntu kernels which that fixed
[05:01] <rubixXx> i can't play back mp3 files in rythmbox, it says the format not supported
[05:01] <Guybrush|workin> rubixXx, that's in the FAQ
[05:01] <HP_Owner> njan, no i could give that a go. does that not switch acpi off altogether?
[05:02] <carlos> daniels: perfect, If I don't have time today, will send it on Monday (leaving in a couple of hours)
[05:02] <rubixXx> alright
[05:02] <donpaolo> HaloGray: it doesn't ping that ip
[05:02] <rubixXx> i'll glance at it, ty Guybrush|workin didnt know there was an faq
[05:02] <det> Does Ubuntu support the nvidia xserver/kernel module in packaged form?
[05:02] <det> (on AMD64 even)?
[05:02] <Guybrush|workin> rubixXx: it's on the channel topic
[05:03] <HaloGray> but it pings the gateway?
[05:03] <meuserj|work> det, yes
[05:03] <Guybrush|workin> rubixXx: so you don't have to search for it
[05:03] <daniels> carlos: ok, awesome.  thanks a lot, dude.
[05:03] <meuserj|work> det, I use that at home too
[05:03] <carlos> daniels: no, thanks to you!
[05:04] <davyd> hmm, I wonder if it's an error with USB2...
[05:04] <rubixXx> after just getting this distro installed, are there any nice repositories that have extra, unincluded software that might be of use?
[05:05] <chrissturm> how do i let polypaudio reload its config?
[05:05] <rubixXx> Guybrush|workin, thank you man, those people in #debian are SOOOO rude
[05:05] <HaloGray> donpaolo: be sure this line is in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:05] <Guybrush|workin> rubixXx: check for universe and multiverse
[05:05] <HaloGray> auto eth0
[05:05] <HaloGray> then reboot and see what happens :)
[05:05] <rubixXx> would i be wasting your time if i inquired the difference between the 2 (if not then i do i do)
[05:05] <Guybrush|workin> rubixXx: you welcome, but remember to check all the docs before asking anyway :)
[05:05] <HaloGray> one thing that I have noticed about the ubuntu community... the assholes are definately few and far between
[05:06] <Guybrush|workin> different levels of  "broadness"
[05:06] <dr_willis> HaloGray,  lol.
[05:06] <dr_willis> Theres a few in here every so often.
[05:06] <HaloGray> A lot of linux communities have their share of slashtrolls, but in the channels and on the forum it's very friendly
[05:06] <dr_willis> But at least the docs and other help sites are written where beginners can understand them when they are told to RTFM.
[05:06] <Guybrush|workin> rubixXx i suppose those two are somewhere on the docs since i read of those somewhere
[05:06] <HaloGray> I'm really impressed with the community, and it was a big part of me sticking with ubuntu
[05:07] <HaloGray> since it's one of the first that I could actually get answers to all my noobie questions :)
[05:07] <shock> :)
[05:07] <Guybrush|workin> rubixXx: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/
[05:07] <dr_willis> HaloGray,  its a decent disrto. A little Paranoid about Security in ways taht can be a little confuseing to newbies when compared to other Distros. But thats excueseable.
[05:08] <rubixXx> i do have one question i've been unable to find...does ubuntu by default install nvidia drivers or do i have to (i only get 1-200 fps with glxgears)
[05:08] <Guybrush|workin> dr_willis: that's one of the best points :)
[05:08] <dr_willis> rubixXx,  you need to install them
[05:08] <stvn> rubixXx: it doesn't do by default
[05:08] <rubixXx> HaloGray, so far ubuntu or mandrake are some of the best newbie distros, if you got an extra machine try doing a lfs install, it will teach you much
[05:08] <rubixXx> ok, its just the nv drivers
[05:08] <stvn> yep
[05:08] <HaloGray> rubixXx: I used arch before I used ubuntu
[05:09] <carlos_> hello... my english is very bad... but i need run the partition of windows.
[05:09] <dr_willis> ubuntu is one of the first disrtos ive ever gotten that ati drivers working in. :P
[05:09] <shock> *cry* i needed to install suse on a computer :( - didnt get the teledat x120 usb to run on any other distro
[05:09] <shock> :((((
[05:09] <HaloGray> I know the basics... but once in awhile I have silly questions that are actually kind of hard to google around for
[05:09] <davyd> bingo, it's gorram usb2
[05:09] <stvn> carlos_: you want to run windows? or you want to access the data of windows from ubuntu?
[05:10] <shock> or u wat to boot into windows?
[05:10] <rubixXx> the only thing i dislike is the debian irc communities rudeness and arogance
[05:11] <rubixXx> i complement their distro and get a kickban
[05:11] <shock> agrees
[05:11] <stvn> hehe
[05:11] <HaloGray> It's a major part of most most irc communities :P
[05:11] <rubixXx> never experienced it anywhere else but slack
[05:11] <carlos_> i want run windows.
[05:11] <shock> and ubuntu
[05:11] <shock> =)
[05:11] <planner> carlos_: can't you boot windows from Grub?
[05:11] <HaloGray> carlos_: You installed windows first right?  Now you want the option to boot to it on start up?
[05:12] <acs> can anyone tell me if thre is like a default password for root
[05:12] <planner> carlos_: just press ESC and a boot menu will show up. There should be a windows option there
[05:12] <carlos_> yes... install windows first.
[05:12] <acs> I am at the terminal using the su command to change to root
[05:12] <CarlK> speaking of audio, whats with the drum soundtrac that plays 24x7?
[05:12] <dr_willis> acs,  root is disabled by default - as your user use 'sudo passwd' to set his password.
[05:13] <acs> and I get a Authentication failure
[05:13] <planner> acs: no, but you can gain a root shell by 'sudo -s' or 'sudo su'
[05:13] <carlos_> the option of windows appear but no boot.
[05:13] <Guybrush|workin> acs: or better yet, do not use root and use sudo
[05:13] <acs> ok
[05:13] <acs> thanks
[05:13] <HaloGray> carlos_: I'm surprised the auto installer didn't set it up for you, but the menu options for GRUB are in this file - /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:13] <rubixXx> sudo is cool, but i just like being able to use root from a terminal then exit back into user mode
[05:14] <HaloGray> type sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:14] <manobes> rubixXx: sudo bash?
[05:14] <acs> can u tell me a list of the basic commands of linux, because I am reading this book on linux that has a few commands
[05:14] <linuxfly> any lpi here
[05:14] <linuxfly> any lpi here
[05:14] <Guybrush|workin> rubixXx you cal always use "sudo bash" to get a shell with root powers :)
[05:14] <acs> but it doesn't explain all the options
[05:14] <Guybrush|workin> *cal->can
[05:14] <rubixXx> really
[05:14] <Guybrush|workin> gotta go now
[05:14] <planner> carlos_: look at /boot/grub/menu.lst and report the paragraph starting with 'title windows' or something like that
[05:14] <Guybrush|workin> cya later
[05:14] <rubixXx> i should unset the root password then
[05:14] <rubixXx> any ideas on that
[05:15] <donpaolo> HaloGray: auto eth0 is there. there is some line about dns-nameserver. Should it stay there?
[05:15] <HaloGray> donpaolo: Does it have 2 ip addresses by it?  Or at least 1?
[05:15] <lazzaro> hi folks !
[05:15] <carlos_> i am will read it.
[05:15] <lazzaro> (qualche italiano ?)
[05:15] <planner> acs: start info to see some basic commands
[05:16] <donpaolo> HaloGray: It has one
[05:16] <planner> lazzaro: some of them :)
[05:16] <acs> planner, how do I start it?
[05:16] <acs> just type info?
[05:17] <planner> acs: yes
[05:17] <donpaolo> HaloGray: the ip it has is the same I have in /etc/resolv.conf
[05:17] <chrislo> i added repositories to apt.sources as described in ubuntuguide.org. Will it cause me problems later when I upgrade to a new ubuntu version ?
[05:17] <rubixXx> how do i disable the root account?
[05:17] <planner> acs: if you want to see information on a specific command, you can also try 'man <command>', or open the Gnome help and select Man pages
[05:17] <HaloGray> that's fine I believe, so long as it isn't 127.0.0.1 it's probably right
[05:17] <lazzaro> how can i upgrade my warty to hoary ? what repository i must put in my source.list ?
[05:18] <lazzaro> any idea ?
[05:18] <planner> rubixXx: something with passwd.. wait a sec
[05:18] <acs> planner, ok thanks :)
[05:18] <HaloGray> 4.2.2.2 is a public dns server so you can use that if you want to be sure it's right
[05:18] <Amaranth> rubixXx: passwd -l root
[05:19] <Amaranth> rubixXx: err, sudo passwd -l root
[05:19] <det> What version of GCC does ubuntu use?
[05:19] <planner> that's it
[05:19] <lazzaro> how can i upgrade my warty to hoary ? what repository i must put in my source.list ?
[05:19] <donpaolo> HaloGray: But the ubuntu pc can't see outside the gateway!
[05:20] <HaloGray> did you reboot?
[05:20] <chrislo> det: gcc (GCC) 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-9ubuntu5)
[05:20] <Amaranth> lazzaro: replace warty with hoary in your sources.list
[05:20] <chrislo> det: that's what I've got anyway
[05:20] <det> I see
[05:20] <bumperland> hate to be a pain ... but what is the command to upgrade ?
[05:21] <HaloGray> dist-upgrade
[05:21] <rubixXx> apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:21] <donpaolo> HaloGray: yes
[05:21] <bumperland> thanks
[05:21] <HaloGray> is your router set up for dhcp?
[05:21] <lazzaro> tnx to all
[05:21] <det> Why not GCC 3.4?
[05:22] <HaloGray> Meaning, have you had to set up ips on your other computers?
[05:22] <HaloGray> Because it almost sounds like the router is blocking out your ubuntu pc... if it can ping the router it should be able to get anywhere else if the router lets it
[05:23] <twosharp> hi =)
[05:23] <donpaolo> HaloGray: the gateway connets via a modem, and all the local net connects throug ethernet cables
[05:23] <twosharp> how can i exit X so i can install the nvidia drivers??
[05:24] <HaloGray> ok, but did you have to set up a static ip (manually configure the ip) on your other net connects?  Or did the gateway do it for you automatically?
[05:24] <HaloGray> your other local computers I mean
[05:25] <donpaolo> HaloGray: the gateway runs shorewall, but I can't see anything dropped from 192.168.0.150
[05:25] <donpaolo> all ip in the local net are static
[05:26] <HaloGray> just to confirm, you can ping the ubuntu's address, it can ping other local addresses, and it can ping the gateway?
[05:26] <twosharp> anyone here knows howto exit X so i can install the nvidia drivers??
[05:26] <HaloGray> but it can't ping anything outside the gateway, like 4.2.2.2
[05:26] <sig_ubuntu> twosharp: init3
[05:27] <trans_err> are there any tips on how to get KDE apps to behave in gnome-- they seem to work well the other way around... I want to give amarok a try
[05:27] <donpaolo> HaloGray: all pings work in the local net
[05:27] <twosharp> sig_ubuntu: in run?
[05:27] <donpaolo> HaloGray: outside the local network, the ubuntu pc doesn't see anything
[05:27] <sig_ubuntu> as root
[05:27] <sig_ubuntu> sudo -s
[05:27] <twosharp> k
[05:27] <sig_ubuntu> then: init3
[05:27] <s1amson> he'll still need to edit the  config file
[05:27] <twosharp> thnx
[05:28] <Riddell> trans_err: what doesn't behave?
[05:28] <trans_err> Riddell: appearance, and stability
[05:29] <s1amson> twosharp:  ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-6629/README.txt
[05:29] <Riddell> trans_err: apearance you can install kde-artwork-themes and change the theme to something nicer
[05:29] <donpaolo> HaloGray: wait! the tracepath command doesn't see the gateway!
[05:29] <Riddell> trans_err: it shouldn't all be just as stable, report and problems to bugs.kde.org or bugs.ubuntu.com as you feel appropriate or notify me
[05:29] <sig_ubuntu> twosharp: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[05:30] <s1amson> o0o a condensed version :] 
[05:30] <trans_err> Riddell: where are the kde-artwork-themes... they aren't in the standard ubuntu repos...
[05:30] <twosharp> ok thnx
[05:30] <donpaolo> HaloGray: thoug the route command gives: "default 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0" (second line)
[05:30] <HaloGray> ah, the default gateway isn't set then
[05:31] <HaloGray> At least it doesn't appear to be
[05:31] <trans_err> Riddell: don't worry i got it
[05:31] <Riddell> trans_err: kdeartwork-style in universe
[05:31] <donpaolo> HaloGray: how do I set?
[05:31] <trans_err> Riddell: got it! thanks
[05:32] <Riddell> s/shouldn't/should/ in my previous comment
[05:32] <HaloGray> under eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:32] <HaloGray> add this line: gateway  <some_IP_Address>
[05:33] <carlos_> HaloGray, Planner => i don't see the paragraph "windows" in  the /boot/grup/menu.lst
[05:33] <josue> good morning everyone
[05:33] <HaloGray> you installed windows first, on the first partition, on the master hard drive right?
[05:33] <planner> good evening :-)
[05:34] <carlos_> in the hda1, frist partition.
[05:34] <donpaolo> HaloGray: the gateway line is there, with the correct 192.168.0.1 arg
[05:34] <HaloGray> # Windows Partition           Windows NT/2000/XP
[05:34] <HaloGray> root            (hd0,0)
[05:34] <HaloGray> savedefault
[05:34] <HaloGray> makeactive
[05:34] <HaloGray> chainloader     +1
[05:34] <josue> hoping someone can help me,
[05:34] <HaloGray> Ooop... should eb #Windows Partition as first line
[05:35] <josue> i've got a problem with memory usage in hoary
[05:35] <HaloGray> title      Windows NT/2000/XP as the 2nd line
[05:35] <HaloGray> the rest is fine
[05:35] <HaloGray> add that to /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:35] <trans_err> Riddell: kcontrol crashes everytime i try to select a new theme
[05:35] <det> what is "jigit" ?
[05:36] <HaloGray> donpaolo: Do you have to tell the gateway that a new static IP will be used?
[05:36] <flosch> re
[05:36] <Rocha> i'm using warty, is there anyway that i can upgrade to hoary all at once?
[05:36] <HaloGray> I know on many routers, you have to specify which static ips are going to be coming in
[05:36] <trans_err> Rocha: I wouldnt recommend it
[05:36] <HaloGray> Rocha: why do you want to?
[05:36] <trans_err> Rocha: do it piece by peice
[05:36] <carlos_> it shuold be comment or uncomment??
[05:36] <HaloGray> There are back ports for software upgrades
[05:36] <donpaolo> HaloGray: the gateway is a debian testing
[05:37] <HaloGray> first line should be commented, 2nd line should not be
[05:37] <trans_err> Rocha: i find hoary fine, but i wouldnt use dist-upgrade to get there
[05:37] <blackwings> det - jigit is an alternate way to build ISO images of install/live CD's I believe
[05:37] <Rocha> Hmm, you mean, change all warty repositories to hoary, and install just what i want?
[05:37] <HaloGray> 2nd line again is:   title           Windows NT/2000/XP
[05:37] <trans_err> Rocha: right-- upgrade as you go
[05:37] <Rocha> ok, thanks
[05:38] <donpaolo> HaloGray: in /etc/network/interfaces I have a dns-search line. If I comment it, the ping stops saying "connect: Network is unreachable".Perhaps the dns-search arg is invalid?
[05:38] <pepsi__> how can i setup xchat to be un-ugly as it was in warty?
[05:38] <det> ahh
[05:38] <goldfish> haha
[05:38] <carlos_> i will see it. (one moment)
[05:38] <Rocha> cool, hoary has firefox 1.0
[05:38] <pepsi__> and an ugly xchat setup
[05:39] <pepsi__> :P
[05:39] <det> Does Ubuntu have no equivalent of a net installation?
[05:39] <Riddell> trans_err: that's not good, in hoary?
[05:40] <CHAOS|DXT> det - nope
[05:40] <Rocha> trans_err, i can't install firefox 1.0 from synaptic
[05:40] <sig_ubuntu> why is the debian community such a_sHoles ?
[05:40] <HaloGray> donpaolo: here's the config you need for local and local only
[05:40] <Rocha> trans_err, it says that there are unresolved dependencies
[05:40] <HaloGray> auto eth0
[05:40] <HaloGray> iface eth0 inet static
[05:40] <HaloGray>       address 192.168.0.150
[05:40] <HaloGray>       netmask 255.255.255.0
[05:40] <HaloGray>       network 192.168.0.0
[05:40] <HaloGray>       broadcast 192.168.0.255
[05:40] <HaloGray>       gateway 192.168.0.1
[05:41] <fas3r> salut all
[05:41] <HaloGray> Let me check up on proper dns lines
[05:41] <Rocha> trans_err, how can i install it then?
[05:41] <ompaul> salut one :-)
[05:41] <fas3r> dites on fais comment pour pouvoir ce connecter avec su?
[05:42] <JJ995> hello, I am having problems getting my NE2000 compatible clone ethernet card working, I do not think that it was recognized in the install, I did a modproble ne, but I do not really know what I am doing, can someone help me out?
[05:42] <Rocha> i'll upgrade synaptic first
[05:42] <Matrix_Soul> can anyone tell me what repositories does he has???
[05:42] <fas3r> car il me dit authorization failure
[05:42] <HaloGray> oooooh, now I remember :)
[05:42] <pepsi__> fas3r, sudo
[05:42] <planner> fas3r: er... try 'sudo -s' or 'sudo su'
[05:42] <HaloGray> You shouldn't really have anything in the /etc/network/interfaces for dns related things
[05:43] <fas3r> yes but it's possible to change the password for su?
[05:43] <HaloGray> /etc/resolv.conf has those
[05:43] <njan> fas3r, in ubuntu there is no su. Not for becoming root, anyway
[05:43] <HaloGray> add this line to resolv.conf
[05:43] <njan> fas3r, as planner points out, you need sudo
[05:43] <HaloGray> nameserver 4.2.2.2
[05:44] <fas3r> ok
[05:44] <planner> fas3r: you should get away with sudo. and you have just one password to remember ;-)
[05:44] <fas3r> if i understand in ubuntu , it aren't root mode
[05:45] <rubixXx> on that guide it says that apt-get w32codecs has no installation candiate
[05:45] <ompaul> fas3r, there is if you go into a terminal and type "sudo su -" but really you should not have to
[05:45] <donpaolo> HaloGray: but the problem isn't with resolving, it's with going out the local net!
[05:46] <shock> anyone got experience running bluetooth on ubuntu?
[05:46] <ompaul> fas3r,  you can also launch a "root" terminal
[05:46] <fas3r> but it's possible i create one user whose name is name with all authorization, and i change my authorization
[05:47] <carlos_> HaloGray => i should add these lines in the end-file /boot/grup/menu.list
[05:47] <planner> fas3r: if you really want to enable root, use 'passwd root' to set a password for root and enable the account
[05:47] <HaloGray> carlos_: yes
[05:47] <fas3r> ok
[05:47] <fas3r> thank a lot
[05:47] <ompaul> fas3r, at that time you lose one of the benifits of the ubuntu environment
[05:48] <HaloGray> donpaolo: remove everything but the lines I mentioned (adjust them if need be... but I think they're accurate to your network) regarding eth0
[05:48] <HaloGray> be sure to leave the lo stuff in though
[05:48] <rubixXx> when i try to apt-get the w32codecs it says no installation candiate when thats exactly what it says on the faq
[05:48] <fas3r> why?
[05:48] <planner> I understand that switching to sudo could be hard. I only liked it because I was using it before ubuntu
[05:48] <carlos_> ok
[05:48] <ompaul> fas3r, are you asking me why?
[05:48] <HaloGray> sudo is really cleaner than su
[05:49] <donpaolo> HaloGray: should I reboot? or ifconfig down/up?
[05:49] <chrislo>  /part
[05:50] <HaloGray> sudo ifdown eth0 should be ok
[05:50] <HaloGray> then ifup
[05:50] <HaloGray> It might just be me, but ifconfig down/up is only needed to physically power the devices, ifup and ifdown seem to adjust settings changes ok for me
[05:50] <donpaolo> HaloGray: done -> network is unreachable
[05:51] <HaloGray> :-/
[05:51] <rubixXx> is there an apt-get package for the xchat systray?
[05:51] <HaloGray> are all the configs correct for sure?
[05:51] <donpaolo> HaloGray: well, I think so!
[05:52] <mike_> hi there...
[05:52] <mike_> does anyone know about highmem support in warty release (8GB)?
[05:52] <donpaolo> HaloGray: is routing correct: "default 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0"?
[05:53] <HaloGray> googling for help
[05:53] <donpaolo> HaloGray: before that line there is a "localnet" one.
[05:53] <JJ995> can someone please help me get my NE clone ethernet card working?
[05:53] <HaloGray> /etc/sysconfig/network
[05:54] <donpaolo> localnet * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
[05:54] <HaloGray> that file should contain something like:
[05:54] <HaloGray> NETWORKING=yes
[05:54] <HaloGray> HOSTNAME="mybox.mydomain.com"
[05:55] <donpaolo> HaloGray: I haven't a /etc/sysconfig/network
[05:55] <JJ995> halo: the directory /etc/sysconfig/ does not exist on my machine
[05:55] <HaloGray> create it
[05:55] <HaloGray> nevermind then :P
[05:55] <HaloGray> lemme check
[05:55] <DaSkreech> how do I install the X Includes
[05:55] <HaloGray> blah nevermind that
[05:56] <mike_> for the network config...have you tried editing "/etc/network/interfaces" and then running "/etc/init.d/networking restart"?
[05:56] <HaloGray> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1511.html
[05:57] <HaloGray> mike_: has a good idea as well, try restarting the network
[05:57] <HaloGray> see if the settings take
[05:58] <froust> i've been getting mails send to me from cron.d saying "mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/tkconch.1.gz is a dangling symlink"
[05:58] <froust> any reason why i can't delete it?
[05:58] <mike_> Anyone know how I can get support for more than 3.6GB of RAM in Ubuntu Warty??!!  Do I need to compile my own kernel for this?
[05:59] <JJ995> mike: what should I edit the interfaces file to?
[05:59] <carlos_> HaloGray, Planner => I'm will reboot the machine. I will tell us if i have success. Very, very Tanks.
[05:59] <froust> mike_: i think it's a limitation on your board
[05:59] <froust> what cpu are you using?
[05:59] <donpaolo> mike_: it still can't see outside
[06:00] <Eric_H> I just installed 5.04 array-4.  It never asked for a root password.  Now I can not SU to root, as I do not know the password.  Anyone know what it defaults to?
[06:00] <donpaolo> well, I'm going to have lunch! bye!
[06:00] <mike_> try "man interfaces" to see the format for this file...
[06:00] <HaloGray> Eric_H: root is disabled by default
[06:00] <HaloGray> use sudo instead of su for commands
[06:01] <HaloGray> and the pass is the same as your main user
[06:01] <mike_> froust, my board has 8GB of ram...what do you mean it's a limitation?
[06:01] <Eric_H> okay.  thanks, HG.
[06:02] <froust> mike_: i might have confused boards... i'm fuzzy on ram limitations
[06:03] <froust> mike_: are you in 32bit or 64 bit?
[06:03] <planner> mike_: only if you want to use it as your hard disk ;-)
[06:03] <apokryphos> when did array-4 come out?
[06:05] <ompaul> mike this article may help http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450?PHPSESSID=59a21d15e29d468e333a8f288a55bc09
[06:05] <mike_> froust, planner: I've installed warty on a PowerEdge 6650 (32-bit) with 8GB of RAM and 2 CPUs, and installed linux-686-smp
[06:06] <ompaul> mike_ then you will have to rebuild the kernel to get over the 4G gap
[06:06] <froust> mike_: i read on a board something to the effect that a 32 bit os can't address more than 4 gigs of ram
[06:06] <froust> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1826.html
[06:06] <froust> 2nd post from the bottom.
[06:07] <froust> mike_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit#Memory_Limitations explains it better
[06:07] <JJ995> ubuntu just crashed! jease...oh well, goodbye
[06:08] <s1amson> heck of an operator error
[06:08] <mike_> ompaul: thanks, just wanted to confirm that there were know available kernel packages to handle this...
[06:08] <ompaul> foust it can be done - a guy I know got 12 gigs of ram to work with a 32 bit proc - he also has a little bit of fun with running a single box (well kind of) that can service over 20k apache sessions at the same time
[06:08] <ompaul> mike_  it is a matter of why you would want to :)
[06:09] <froust> ompaul: i'm no expert on the subject - just pointing to an entry in wiki that talked about it.
[06:09] <salman> i got a strange problem, can't install suse 9.1 on sata hard disk ... yast says it can't detect any hard disk :-(
[06:09] <froust> salman: you might have better luck in a suse channel :P
[06:09] <mike_> ompaul: why install a package rather than compile? So that security updates are automatic...
[06:09] <ompaul> froust, not a problem, it can be done just not out of the "box" so to speak
[06:09] <salman> froust, nah ... everyone is sleeping there :-(
[06:10] <froust> ompaul: gotcha
[06:10] <evarlast> mike_: RHEL would have detected your memory situation and installed the correct kernel :)
[06:10] <froust> salman: :(
[06:10] <DaSkreech> What should i install to get the X Libraries?
[06:10] <mike_> evarlast: yeah, but who wants to pay the RHEL licensing?!
[06:11] <ompaul> evarlast RHEL might have, but   where is the debian social contract (or the ubuntu one for that matter) in that? ;-)
[06:11] <froust> can anyone think of a reason why i can't delete my dangling symlinks?
[06:12] <planner> froust: which symlinks
[06:12] <froust> my dangling ones: mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/tkconch.1.gz is a dangling symlink
[06:12] <ompaul> mike_ if I understand you correctly the answer to your build vs install question is you do install to keep up with patches
[06:12] <sig_ubuntu> which version of X does ubuntu use?
[06:12] <froust> and 2 others.
[06:13] <planner> froust: that's a bug in python-twisted... it install symlinks to non-existent manpages
[06:13] <froust> okay
[06:13] <froust> so i can delete them?
[06:13] <mike_> ompaul: yes, I'd prefer to install a kernel that supports the 8GB RAM so that future security updates happen automatically - without me having to recompile the kernel every time...
[06:13] <HaloGray> clearing recent documents doesn't appear to actually clear them?
[06:13] <planner> froust: you could, by they will come back...
[06:14] <froust> merde!
[06:14] <froust> so i just live with them then?
[06:14] <ompaul> mike_ however that choice is not yours atm, what you need to do is think about the situtation a little
[06:14] <HaloGray> Any ideas for that or even better, to remove the tracking of documents all together
[06:14] <ompaul> mike_ what I would consider is this why do you want all that ram? are you running a huge db ?
[06:15] <sig_ubuntu> how can I tell what version of X I am using in ubuntu?
[06:15] <mike_> ompaul: yes, we are running a large Oracle DB.  Not sure what you mean by think about the situation...
[06:15] <fas3r_> why when i make apt-setup and i select ftp when are nothing
[06:16] <sig_ubuntu> anyone?
[06:16] <fas3r_> they are nothing
[06:16] <foznot> my snd_drivers are not loading on startup...so i added them manually. is there anything else i need to do to make wure they are working
[06:16] <ompaul> mike_ okay so it is a production server and users are not logging onto the O/S then your only interest is in updating the kernel when and only when there is a remote exploit
[06:16] <planner> froust: not exactly, I hope it will be fixed soon
[06:16] <froust> ahh. thanks for clearing it up
[06:16] <mike_> ompaul: right, but if my only choice right now is to compile my own kernel...so be it I guess.
[06:17] <planner> sig_ubuntu: use dpkg -s xserver-common
[06:17] <ompaul> mike_ then you should not be rebuilding the kernel every second day :) in fact if you have to do it once a quater I would very surprised - as anyone who logs on will most likely have root
[06:18] <sig_ubuntu> planner: I just did XFree86 -version
[06:18] <sig_ubuntu> that worked
[06:18] <sig_ubuntu> thanks though
[06:18] <ompaul> mike_ production boxes also have other things that protect them or at least they should the likes of firewalls and routers
[06:18] <ompaul> mike_ if I may ask how many users have you got for that DB?
[06:19] <mike_> ompaul: what worries me is the requirement in my environment to apply patches as exploits become prevalent...there's been 3 of these in the last month or so...and there will be a few users without root access..
[06:20] <ompaul> mike_ ahh that would be a worry got a test box?
[06:21] <pfefferkeks> hi, I habe a problem with my xorg.conf. I don't have an pipe and an aet charector. can someone help?
[06:21] <mike_> ompaul:  well, the box I'm working on is not in production yet..so it is the test box for another week or two.
[06:21] <planner> pfefferkeks: what is the problem?
[06:21] <mike_> ompaul: the DB itself has thousands of users...coming in from the web...
[06:22] <ompaul> mike_ they are not a worry
[06:22] <planner> pfefferkeks: ah, got it. open computer->preferences->keyboard
[06:22] <Saund3ritoS> hallo
[06:22] <ompaul> mike_ unless you have bugs in oracle
[06:22] <planner> pfefferkeks: most likely, you have a wrong setting for your keyboard. what system are you on?
[06:24] <pfefferkeks> planner: I have fluxbox ;) but in my xorg.conf I set the settings: xkRules xorg, xkbModel pc105
[06:24] <rubix__> where are the kernel-source files installed to?
[06:24] <foznot> anyone able to help with a sound or lack of sound problem?
[06:24] <LBM> i'm trying to install beagle on my hoary system, but i get the following error when trying to compile:
[06:24] <rubix__> foznot what card
[06:24] <LBM> Error: <operation xmlns='http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/wsdl/soap/'> was not expected
[06:24] <foznot> i think a nvidia
[06:24] <pfefferkeks> planner: it's an germany keybord and I have test pc102,pc104,pc105 but always the same problem
[06:24] <LBM> all dependencies are installed
[06:25] <ompaul> mike_ if I may suggest you need a dev box of the same size and if you can run a dupe of the DB all the better if not then you at least need something that can test that amount of ram - so at a minimum you need a small h/d the same speed proc the same amount of ram and a program that writes to address after address in ram then you can test if you got it all up and running
[06:25] <rubix__> foznot can you modprobe emu10k1
[06:25] <ompaul> mike_ that is your new kernel
[06:25] <planner> pfefferkeks: can you use them from console?
[06:25] <pfefferkeks> yes, I can use it in the console
[06:25] <rubix__> how can i tell what kernel i'm using and where the source is installed to (sorry for asking but i'm stuck in terminal til i get nvidia drvs installed)
[06:25] <foznot> ok, i did that modprobe emu
[06:26] <rubix__> lsmod and you should see emu10k1 loaded
[06:26] <ewhitten> anyone else upgraded their hoary today?
[06:26] <foznot> top pne
[06:26] <planner> pfefferkeks: I don't know... but within the gnome applet you should see a picture of your keyboard
[06:26] <ompaul> rubix__, you type "uname -a" to find out the kernel version
[06:26] <foznot> alsamixer still won't work
[06:26] <rubix__> uname -a
[06:26] <pfefferkeks> planner: ok I thing I must test and search again ;)
[06:27] <ompaul> rubix__, maybe in a terminal would be better :)
[06:27] <pfefferkeks> planner: thangs for your help!!
[06:27] <rubix__> is there an apt-get command to install the latest kernel
[06:27] <mike_> ompaul: the memory tests you mention could only be done once the correct kernel options are compiled in though...the ubuntu packages will not see past the 3.6GB mark.  correct?
[06:27] <ompaul> brb
[06:27] <rubix__> ompaul i did a reinstall earlier and got stuffz to work, so a ban in #debian later here i am :-)
[06:28] <rubix__> ompaul yea i don't have x running
[06:29] <ompaul> mike_ not seeing past the the 3,6 mark is strange - have a look in the bios I think you will see a setting in there
[06:30] <ompaul> rubix__ why did you get banned in #debian?
[06:30] <mike_> ompaul:  I believe the most appropriate warty kernel is linux-686-smp. I haven;t confirmed, but my guess is this kernel is compiled with 4GB RAM support only...
[06:31] <planner> I really have to go on #debian, one day or another. Looks like a place when one can have fun ;-)
[06:31] <rubix__> ompaul i guess they dislike an honest person
[06:31] <ompaul> mike__ have a look at hoary
[06:31] <rubix__> i told them all they were hypocritcal rude, dumb people
[06:32] <ompaul> mike_,  as you have a week or two it might bet better to track the latest
[06:32] <planner> rubix__: no pun intended on you, of course; it's only that half of the people here complain about #debian ;-)
[06:32] <sig_ubuntu> anyone using a sony laptop that has the ati radeon IGP 340M card in it?
[06:33] <hummm> hjello. anyone know how to change the color of nautilus background?
[06:33] <mike_> ompaul: but hoary is not yet fully supported security-wise.  This won't happen until April...
[06:33] <planner> hummm: is it possible?
[06:34] <sig_ubuntu> hummm: sure
[06:34] <rubix__> planner not complianing i just think its funny
[06:34] <rubix__> i talked so much trash on them for being gay, then i said debian is a pretty nifty distro and i get kickbanned
[06:34] <sig_ubuntu> nautilus > Edit > background & preferences
[06:34] <hummm> sig_ubuntu: right, that's what i tried, but it doesnt work?
[06:34] <sig_ubuntu> works for me
[06:35] <sig_ubuntu> did you restart nautilus maybe?
[06:35] <planner> hummm: didn't find it in the gui, but if you open the configuration editor, there is a key
[06:35] <rubix__> anyway, where is the kernel-source packages installed...i needt o know to install nvidia drivers
[06:35] <hummm> sig_ubuntu: if i drag a tile for example on the side (tree view) panel nothing happens
[06:35] <sig_ubuntu> shouldn't have to but try
[06:35] <ompaul> mike_ well then build it with a stripped down kernel and see then you should avoid some of the dodgy modules in the kernel
[06:35] <hummm> planner: what's the cofiguration editor called?
[06:36] <sig_ubuntu> where is the XFree86.config file located at in ubuntu?
[06:36] <planner> rubix__: are you using debian, right?
[06:36] <rubix__> planner ubuntu
[06:36] <souki> hummm: it works for me, just drag and drop the square
[06:36] <hummm> souki: doesnt work
[06:36] <planner> hummm: gconf editor, under applications->system tools
[06:36] <hummm> planner: not using gnome panels
[06:36] <ompaul> mike_ that might help with keeping you away from having to upgrade the kernel as often as you are talking about there
[06:36] <planner> hummm: gconf-editor
[06:36] <hummm> planner: ta
[06:37] <ompaul> upgrade/rebuild
[06:37] <planner> hummm: but you should be able to change bg from the gui, do as sig_ubuntu said
[06:37] <hummm> planner: i have tried countles of times
[06:37] <hummm> it just drags the tile/color back without changing anything its dragged onto
[06:37] <sig_ubuntu> where is the xfree86config file at?
[06:37] <sig_ubuntu> in ubuntu /usr/bin/X11/ ?
[06:37] <planner> hummm: anyway, the key is /apps/nautilus/preferences, then look for background_color and background_filename
[06:37] <mike_> ompaul: thanks, I see which route I need to take now...btw, you're saying that hoary will have better support for large RAM machines right?
[06:38] <rubix__> sig_ubuntu /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:38] <sig_ubuntu> ahh
[06:38] <sig_ubuntu> thanks
[06:38] <rubix__> ahh i can't find the kernel source
[06:38] <planner> sig_ubuntu: /etc/X11
[06:38] <hummm> planner: ok
[06:38] <omegax4> just a quick question.. does ubuntu support intel's 2200bg wireless card very well?
[06:38] <planner> rubix__: sorry, i lost your reply. just install linux-source-*, not kernel-source-*
[06:39] <foznot> hummm...i had to tell the gui to use no wallpaper and it changed the background color
[06:40] <rubix__> planner you mean apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8?
[06:40] <planner> rubix__: y
[06:40] <ompaul> mike_ no what I am saying is that it should be closer to easy to manage as it will be more supported for longer - as the new version tracks sid then it will do what the sid does at that time then it becomes a maintainance job then the whole loops gets carried on again
[06:40] <ompaul> mike_ so if the support is there when released it will make your life easier so on and so forth
[06:40] <hummm> foznot: did you do that with gconf-editor?
[06:41] <hummm> i just changed the background color to something else with the config editor and restarted nautilus
[06:41] <hummm> it didnt change it
[06:41] <foznot> no, through computer>desktop pref>backgournd
[06:41] <rubix__> planner can't find it
[06:41] <rubix__> planner i also can't find alot of packages
[06:41] <planner> rubix__:  apt-cache search linux-source
[06:41] <mike_> ompaul: ok, thanks again...
[06:42] <rubix__> those are for kernel 2.10 and i'm using 2.8
[06:42] <hummm> foznot: are you talking about the desktop color? i'm talking about nautilus colors
[06:42] <souki> hummm: it works on hoary :)
[06:42] <ompaul> mike_ hope that info is of use to you
[06:42] <rubix__> err 2.6.10 and i'm using 2.6.8
[06:42] <rubix__> souki wait
[06:42] <foznot> oh sorry, i only picked up that last half of the conversation
[06:42] <rubix__> souki run your apt-get update-dist twice
[06:42] <rubix__> i just did it
[06:43] <hummm> souki: does that imply it's broken?
[06:43] <hummm> (in warty)
[06:43] <souki> rubix__: why?
[06:43] <racoontje> Hi. How do I convert a .bin+.cue image into an iso image?
[06:43] <rubix__> planner i just have the kernel 2.10 sources, not the 2.6.8
[06:43] <rubix__> souki trust me it won't work if you don't run it twice
[06:43] <rubix__> souki and exit out of x, that helps
[06:43] <planner> rubix__: why would you want 2.6.8?
[06:43] <rubix__> because uname -a says i'm running 2.6.8
[06:44] <rubix__> is there a way to upgrade my kernel version via apt?
[06:44] <racoontje> rubix__, have you considered rebooting once in a while?
[06:44] <dr_willis> racoontje,  ive seen some progs that do it. Check freshmeat.net or google for  "bin to iso linux"
[06:44] <rubix__> racoontje hmm lets see
[06:44] <racoontje> rubix__, of course there is, Ubuntu provides kernel images
[06:44] <planner> rubix__: and then upgrade your kernel :) Or you want to compile addon modules?
[06:44] <rubix__> racoontje pretty sure i did reboot, let me reboot
[06:44] <racoontje> rubix__, wait
[06:44] <racoontje> fuck it.
[06:44] <souki> rubix__: yes sure: apt-get install linux-686
[06:44] <planner> he's gone
[06:44] <souki> rubenv: if you want 686  --> linux-686
[06:45] <racoontje> noshitsherlock.jpg
[06:45] <hummm> no go. :|
[06:45] <souki> hummm: maybe it is a bug with gnome 2.8 ?
[06:45] <planner> hummm: I have an up2date hoary here. it works like a charm
[06:47] <hummm> gay
[06:47] <planner> planner: and I think it worked on warty too
[06:47] <planner> hummm: er... that was meant to you: I  think it worked on warty too
[06:47] <hummm> anyone got this feature working on gnome 2.8 then?
[06:47] <souki> hummm: maybe you can try with a fresh profile ?
[06:48] <souki> hummm: try with a new user
[06:48] <hummm> thats a lot of work :>
[06:49] <souki> hummm: yeah for sure :)  but maybe your profile is broken
[06:49] <hummm> how could that happen?
[06:49] <souki> hummm: maybe not.just try
[06:51] <rubenv> souki: that was for rubix, right? :-)
[06:51] <hummm> ok
[06:51] <hummm> brb
[06:51] <danko123456> Hi, guys, I have a couple of questions, for one, I seem to have lost my system tray...I cant figure how to put it back on, other thing is I cant seem to successfully apt-get update, and I used the list of reps from ubuntuguide.org ...
[06:52] <planner> hummm: yes, it works on warty too. i'm sorry :-(
[06:52] <astro> hello
[06:53] <astro> can anyone please help me with a soundcard problem .. ?
[06:53] <donpaolo> HaloGray: I resolved my problem: 192.168.0.150 wasn't in the local net ip set (192,168.0.0/24)
[06:53] <danko123456> I notice that the tray is gone when I try to make Gaim go to it, maybe its not even lost...
[06:54] <rubixXx> hey
[06:54] <rubixXx> i got a prob....
[06:54] <rubixXx> hotplug doesn't recognize my keyboard
[06:54] <rubixXx> it works until it uses hotplug to scan for usb devices
[06:55] <rubixXx> before ubuntu recognized my keyboard fine
[06:56] <mdz> rubixXx: before what?
[06:56] <rubixXx> mdz, i upgraded kernels, but now it won't work with any kernel
[06:56] <rubixXx> a computer is useless w/out a keyboard
[06:56] <astro> can anyone help me with a soundcard problem - not recognized ..
[06:56] <danko123456>  Hi, guys, I have a couple of questions, for one, I seem to have lost my system tray...I notice that the tray is gone when I try to make Gaim go to it, maybe its not even lost...I have the plugin for gaim to go to system tray when closed, but it just closes on me...I cant figure how to put it back on, other thing is I cant seem to successfully apt-get update, and I used the list of reps from ubuntuguide.org ...
[06:56] <mdz> rubixXx: try booting with pci=noacpi or noapic
[06:56] <hummm> bakc
[06:57] <hummm> with clean profile
[06:57] <rubixXx> mdz, elaborate please
[06:57] <hummm> it worked fine
[06:57] <hummm> untill i changed desktop preferences
[06:57] <danko123456> where have you looked, astro?
[06:57] <hummm> so that i have just solid background
[06:57] <hummm> then it refuses to use most tiles/colors
[06:57] <hummm> only accepts like bubble gum and onyx
[06:57] <hummm> what do you make of that?
[06:57] <astro> well, i am a newbie :-) i didnt look yet.., where should i look ? do you have any idea ?
[06:57] <danko123456> did you look at their wesite, there is some stuff of Sound cards there...
[06:57] <danko123456> let me checck
[06:58] <astro> ps, its a standart sb16
[06:58] <Choub> hi all
[06:58] <danko123456> basically you want to look at www.ubuntulinux.org , also google something like ubuntu sb16 (model, brand helps.)
[06:59] <danko123456> ubuntulinux.org has documentation
[06:59] <danko123456> click on that
[06:59] <astro> hmm, okey
[06:59] <danko123456> and then look at howtos, and faqs...
[06:59] <rubixXx> astro, google.com owns
[06:59] <astro> okey, i will try both :-)
[07:00] <danko123456> support first, then documentation
[07:00] <mdz> rubixXx: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[07:00] <astro> and then google ...
[07:01] <danko123456> i mean.
[07:01] <astro> dankol, rubixxx - thanks, bye.
[07:01] <danko123456> the path on the ubuntu website is support>documentation>faq/howto
[07:02] <danko123456>  Hi, guys, I have a couple of questions, for one, I seem to have lost my system tray...I notice that the tray is gone when I try to make Gaim go to it, maybe its not even lost...I have the plugin for gaim to go to system tray when closed, but it just closes on me...I cant figure how to put it back on, other thing is I cant seem to successfully apt-get update, and I used the list of reps from ubuntuguide.org ...
[07:03] <rubixXx> mdz, ty, so i can edit that config file...add noapci params and try to boot again?
[07:03] <mdz> rubixXx: add "pci=noacpi", and if that doesn't help, try with "noapic"
[07:04] <danko123456> :?|
[07:05] <dr_willis> note that apci and apic are different. :P
[07:05] <dr_willis> but VERY easy to get confused.
[07:05] <rubixXx> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-3-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash pci=noacpi
[07:05] <rubixXx> that work?
[07:06] <dr_willis> i learned this the hard way  nce. Lol
[07:06] <rubixXx> i dont' know what pic is, but i know what pci is
[07:06] <mdz> rubixXx: yes
[07:07] <mdz> rubixXx: PIC stands for programmable interrupt controller
[07:07] <IceNine> hey guys - Just started with ubuntu for our webserver. Great OS
[07:07] <IceNine> Has anyone used Apxs2 to compile PHP5?
[07:08] <IceNine> If so, did you have to use a hack to get it to work, like I did?
[07:08] <danko123456> seems there is noone related here...
[07:09] <IceNine> Or noone is awake...
[07:10] <rubixXx> argh
[07:10] <rubixXx> just saving this file is a pain lol
[07:11] <danko123456> the first time...
[07:12] <rubixXx> argh i can't write to the file from knoppix
[07:13] <danko123456> are you root?
[07:13] <danko123456> I mean...
[07:13] <rubixXx> yep
[07:14] <danko123456> thats the only reason I would know.
[07:14] <danko123456> Im a bit new...
[07:14] <IceNine> what file are you trying to write?
[07:14] <rubixXx> it was mounted readonly
[07:16] <rubixXx> lets try this now
[07:16] <rubixXx> brb shortly (i hope)
[07:19] <FuglyRat> hi
[07:19] <FuglyRat> i just installed ubuntu but X refuses to work
[07:19] <FuglyRat> does it support radeon x800?
[07:19] <goldfish> howdy
[07:19] <FuglyRat> so far the only distro i've used that does is fedora
[07:19] <FuglyRat> and fedora sucks
[07:19] <IceNine> fedora == crap
[07:20] <FuglyRat> aye
[07:20] <FuglyRat> better than ubuntu so far though :/
[07:20] <IceNine> Is the x800 pci-e?
[07:20] <IceNine> or whatever..>?
[07:20] <FuglyRat> no agp
[07:20] <pvh> Is there some kind of "subsystems overview" page for Ubuntu?
[07:20] <pvh> ie: "This is how printing is set up in Ubuntu." "This is how audio is set up." &c.
[07:21] <IceNine> FuglyRat: what happens when you try to start x?
[07:21] <FuglyRat> it says no screens detected
[07:21] <IceNine> pvh: check out the ubuntu wiki
[07:21] <IceNine> FuglyRat: have you checked your xorg.conf?
[07:21] <FuglyRat> it's xfree86
[07:21] <IceNine> or correct me if its Xfree86
[07:21] <FuglyRat> and yes i have
[07:21] <IceNine> yes
[07:21] <IceNine> okay
[07:21] <IceNine> haha
[07:21] <dcompton> I'm installing Hoary using the i386 installation CD. .. the first stage completed with flying colors but the second stage died with an error and I'd like to try to restart it but all I get on reboot now is the terminal login
[07:21] <FuglyRat> i tried ati, and generic
[07:22] <FuglyRat> even freebsd managed 640x480
[07:22] <IceNine> I don't know what else to try FuglyRat... I didn't install X.
[07:22] <FuglyRat> but i can't get anything out of ubuntu
[07:22] <IceNine> dcompton: you cannot login?
[07:23] <dcompton> I can login, but I'd like to restart the second stage installation procedure, do you know how? it looked like it might have been going to use dselect or something similar?
[07:23] <dcompton> I don't have anything more than the base system currently
[07:23] <pvh> IceNine: Rad name.
[07:23] <IceNine> hm. not sure.
[07:23] <randabis> maybe try to install ubuntu-desktop dcompton
[07:23] <pvh> IceNine: Can you recommend a specific subsection? I haven't found anything in my stumbling.
[07:23] <danko123456> hey FuglyRat, I have a page that shows some Video cards...
[07:23] <pvh> (and not for lack of trying)
[07:23] <FuglyRat> :/
[07:24] <dcompton> I'll try that randabis
[07:24] <danko123456> but then, my friend from school never got it to work
[07:24] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hiho
[07:24] <IceNine> dcompton: have you checked the MD5 of your iso?
[07:24] <FuglyRat> maybe the ubuntu dude could ask redhat how they got it working
[07:24] <danko123456> Ill grab it for you.
[07:24] <danko123456> heh
[07:24] <danko123456> he knows how to get it working...
[07:25] <danko123456> the UbuntuDuDe.
[07:25] <dcompton> hmm, I haven't although I doubt it's corrupt but I'll check it just in case
[07:25] <FuglyRat> oh
[07:25] <FuglyRat> maybe it's only supported in xorg
[07:25] <randabis> no his problem with the install is common...he probably told it to download packages from the internet
[07:26] <FuglyRat> hmz
[07:26] <randabis> referring to dcompton's prob
[07:26] <dcompton> randabis, yes I told it to use apt
[07:26] <IceNine> hm...
[07:26] <randabis> that's probably why it messed up
[07:27] <linusthepenguin> is apt-get safe in ubuntu? From the debian reposirity?
[07:27] <H0lyD4wg> HaloGray, (part of) the problem was solved! the cable was found out to be defective, i replaced it.
[07:27] <randabis> you should be able to apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and it will grab everything
[07:27] <IceNine> linusthepenguin: I use aptitude
[07:27] <randabis> linusthepenguin, yes
[07:27] <randabis> err
[07:27] <randabis> i misread that
[07:27] <linusthepenguin> Or am I forced to use the symantic whatever you call it manager...
[07:27] <randabis> don't mix debian and ubuntu stuff
[07:28] <linusthepenguin> Best to keep it seperate
[07:28] <sig_ubuntu> linusthepenguin: of course apt-get is safe
[07:28] <sig_ubuntu> but don't mix
[07:28] <sig_ubuntu> debian is not ubuntu
[07:28] <sig_ubuntu> and ubuntu is not debian
[07:28] <randabis> it isn't always safe if you mix ubuntu and debian repos though
[07:28] <FuglyRat> hmz... i guess i should look for a different distro
[07:28] <linusthepenguin> Ahh... Thanks
[07:28] <sig_ubuntu> FuglyRat: why woudl you need to switch distro's?
[07:28] <linusthepenguin> So far, ubuntu is pretty nice
[07:29] <sig_ubuntu> I love it
[07:29] <jontiz> me too
[07:29] <danko123456> You guys suppose that available programs are very different depending on what platform you run Ubuntu(PCvsPPC?
[07:29] <FuglyRat> coz X doesn't work in 90% of distros i try
[07:29] <racoontje> Do not mix debian and ubuntu. It used to work, back when warty was just a split from debian unstable. Now, it's too far apart. Technically they're the same, but naming conventions will kill you.
[07:29] <randabis> I like ubuntu for its debian base and fast install
[07:29] <sig_ubuntu> FuglyRat: make them work
[07:29] <sig_ubuntu> don
[07:29] <racoontje> danko123456, some difference -- mainly, there's very little closed source software for PPC.
[07:29] <sig_ubuntu> don't choose a lame distro just because X will work in it
[07:29] <FuglyRat> i'm not the developer
[07:29] <danko123456> Cause i cant get the same repositories to apt-get update on my apple, that I can on my PC.
[07:29] <randabis> but I'm starting to like gentoo even more because it is faster
[07:30] <sig_ubuntu> what card are you using FuglyRat ?
[07:30] <FuglyRat> radeon x800pro AGP
[07:30] <sig_ubuntu> why wouldn't it work?
[07:30] <FuglyRat> dunno
[07:30] <sig_ubuntu> are you talking about accelleration?
[07:30] <FuglyRat> no
[07:30] <randabis> ubuntu works with that card...you may need to use hoary though
[07:30] <linusthepenguin> How is the ubuntu repo vs the debian repo?
[07:30] <sig_ubuntu> or it doesn't work period?
[07:30] <FuglyRat> just plain old X
[07:30] <danko123456> X does not load
[07:31] <danko123456> I had the same thing with my friend from school...
[07:31] <sig_ubuntu> FuglyRat: thats odd
[07:31] <sig_ubuntu> I'm using an IGP 340M radeon card and I have no errors/problems whatsoever
[07:31] <det> Does ubuntu have madwifi packages?
[07:31] <FuglyRat> i wont' be buying ati again that's for sure
[07:31] <randabis> det, yes in restricted modules
[07:31] <sig_ubuntu> FuglyRat: well let me tell you... it isn't Ubuntu thats the problem, it is XFree
[07:31] <IceNine> so in ubuntu, you don't use alsaconfig?
[07:31] <sig_ubuntu> FuglyRat: I think ati sucks in general as well
[07:32] <randabis> FuglyRat, here's something you can try
[07:32] <FuglyRat> yeah i know
[07:32] <danko123456> yeah, the 800s have some issues...
[07:32] <FuglyRat> but redhat works
[07:32] <randabis> you're using warty right FuglyRat?
[07:32] <FuglyRat> yup
[07:32] <randabis> okay
[07:32] <det> randabis: on AMD64 as well? :)
[07:32] <randabis> type this at a prompt
[07:32] <danko123456> I almost have that page...
[07:32] <randabis> FuglyRat, sudo nano -w /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:33] <randabis> navigate down to devices
[07:33] <randabis> it should have a device thing that says "ati"
[07:33] <danko123456> this also has some info, I do not know if it actually works...
[07:33] <FuglyRat> yes
[07:33] <danko123456> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:33] <det> Does Ubuntu not set a root password intentionally?
[07:33] <randabis> you should try changing ati to "vesa"
[07:33] <danko123456> it does, I think
[07:33] <benjanet> what repository do i have to add to hoary for getting Flas Player
[07:33] <danko123456> the one youset for the user you sset up during installation.
[07:33] <randabis> det, no...ubuntu uses sudo so root is disabled
[07:33] <randabis> it's a very secure practice
[07:33] <FuglyRat> will vesa work at 1600x1200?
[07:34] <danko123456> well, it still asks me for password...
[07:34] <pvh> use yours
[07:34] <linusthepenguin> Why? I thought ubuntu was aimed at professional people.
[07:34] <racoontje> randabis, root is /NOT/ disabled.
[07:34] <randabis> I do the same thing with my gentoo box
[07:34] <racoontje> randabis, anyone who tells you that is lying. Root exists. It just has a random password.
[07:34] <randabis> racoontje, uh, yes it is...it has no password
[07:34] <FuglyRat> why doesn't gentoo have a real installer?
[07:34] <linusthepenguin> Root should be enforced...
[07:35] <racoontje> randabis, not /no/ password either. It has a random (scrambled) password.
[07:35] <randabis> racoontje, I know root exists, but you cannot login as him
[07:35] <danko123456> benjanet: http://ubuntuguide.org
[07:35] <knoppix> no luck
[07:35] <racoontje> randabis, sudo passwd
[07:35] <knoppix> still can't get my keyboard detected, what were those options man?
[07:35] <randabis> FuglyRat, I don't know
[07:35] <shaya> anyoen able to help diagnose a printing problem?
[07:35] <linusthepenguin> Don't you lose security from that?
[07:35] <kent> randabis, so root is male? ;)  haha.
[07:35] <shaya> with hoary
[07:35] <randabis> racoontje, I'm aware of that, but there's no reason to give root a password
[07:35] <racoontje> randabis, I do this for a few reasons. I wouldn't be able to live with my fancy server if I didn't have root access when I plugged in a serial console
[07:36] <knoppix> when hotplug scans devices my keyboard fails to be detected
[07:36] <randabis> racoontje, sudo -s doesn't work?
[07:36] <bsd3> hi, friends!
[07:36] <racoontje> I don't see why it gives you /more/ security, really. Now all you need is a user password and you have full root access.
[07:36] <benjanet> marrillat repository works on Hoary ?
[07:36] <knoppix> racoontje, i agree
[07:36] <danko123456> I have no clue.
[07:37] <racoontje> It sort of takes away the reason why people shouldn't run userspace apps as root (for example, your IRC client)
[07:37] <knoppix> racoontje, that causes more security issues
[07:37] <danko123456> It does not on my PPC...
[07:37] <knoppix> well
[07:37] <randabis> racoontje, brute force attacks are more likely to be made on root, not a user
[07:37] <danko123456> I am so mad at it.
[07:37] <knoppix> my thing is WHY WON"T my keyboard get detected
[07:37] <danko123456> :)
[07:37] <racoontje> if the IRC client gets compromised, the fictive Mallory gets full root.
[07:37] <knoppix> it worked before upgrade
[07:37] <danko123456> do you have a USB kboard>
[07:37] <racoontje> randabis, and the last person trying brute force attacks died years ago. There are better ways to prevent bruteforce. Like 5 minute bans when you type in your pw wrong 5 times.
[07:38] <randabis> sure
[07:38] <bsd3> how do i check missing files for all the installed deb packages?
[07:38] <randabis> hey it's your box. do what ya want
[07:38] <shaya> anyone using a zjs printer w/ hoary/
[07:38] <racoontje> randabis, lets try some logic and reasoning here. Why is running an IRC client (just an example) as root a bad idea?
[07:39] <goldfish> hah
[07:39] <randabis> becaause being on the internet in general as root is stupid
[07:39] <det> madwifi isn't packaged in the restricted modules under AMD64 :(
[07:39] <H0lyD4wg> anyone available to help me troubleshoot some network problems?
[07:39] <danko123456> ok, why is this related to Ubuntu?
[07:39] <racoontje> randabis, "is stupid" isn't a technical explanation ;-) Suppose there's an exploit in the IRC client. If you run it as user, no problem, only user is compromised.
[07:39] <danko123456> your geeky artgument...
[07:39] <knoppix> danko123456, yes i have a usb keyboard
[07:39] <randabis> right
[07:39] <racoontje> If you run it as root, and it's compromised, Mallory effectively has root access.
[07:39] <racoontje> randabis, now, lets go to Ubuntu.
[07:39] <racoontje> Mallory uses the same exploit and gets full user access.
[07:39] <FuglyRat> hmm vesa doesn't work either
[07:39] <knoppix> danko123456, my mouse gets detected, but not my kb even though they are on the same usb controller set
[07:40] <danko123456> sometimes, they wont work, I heard that here b4, I dont know, try a ps/2 one..
[07:40] <racoontje> However, your user has full root access automatically.
[07:40] <knoppix> it worked before
[07:40] <danko123456> Yeah, I heard of that...
[07:40] <danko123456> I know.
[07:40] <randabis> user only has root when a password is entered
[07:40] <danko123456> I dont know how to fix it though...
[07:40] <randabis> and one can limit HOW MUCH root access said user has
[07:40] <racoontje> randabis, true. Which leads me to question 2: why?
[07:40] <danko123456> stop spamming us with your discussion, there's private...
[07:40] <Mongol_Samurai> has anyone here ever successfully built wine from source on a PowerPC machine?
[07:40] <danko123456> I for one dont wanna know...
[07:41] <danko123456> Hey, Mongol
[07:41] <danko123456> I have a q for you...
[07:41] <Mongol_Samurai> hey Danko
[07:41] <Mongol_Samurai> what's that?
[07:41] <mdz> racoontje: root does not have a random password in Ubuntu; the account is locked (there is no valid password)
[07:41] <racoontje> danko123456, #ubuntu is regarding discussions in ubuntu. If you don't like the discussions, please refrain from reading them
[07:41] <randabis> It would be smarter to have one user account for internet with very limited sudo abilities and then another with full sudo
[07:41] <danko123456> which repos do you have in your sources.list?
[07:41] <mjr> Mongol_Samurai, wine as such works only on x86 computers (except for the libwine portability stuff)
[07:41] <randabis> mdz, exactly what I said before :p
[07:42] <racoontje> mdz, is there a command to lock a user on $DISTRO?
[07:42] <danko123456> I cant get apt-get update to work..
[07:42] <danko123456> it is a help channel
[07:42] <mdz> racoontje: passwd -l <user>, generally
[07:42] <racoontje> randabis, no, you said it has no password.
[07:42] <Mongol_Samurai> mjr so are there any alternatives? i'm trying to run World of Warcraft on my box
[07:42] <FuglyRat> dammit
[07:42] <FuglyRat> it works now
[07:42] <danko123456> doesnt matter, go ahead and spam everyone with your argument.
[07:42] <FuglyRat> i'm a spaz
[07:42] <randabis> racoontje, "there is no valid password"
[07:42] <randabis> same thing
[07:42] <danko123456> how did you get it to work?
[07:42] <FuglyRat> but it's hella slow
[07:42] <FuglyRat> edited the wrong file
[07:43] <racoontje> randabis, an undefined password is not the same as no password... When working in R, i =! 0. i has no value.
[07:43] <FuglyRat> feels like windows on my 486
[07:43] <bsd3> anyone out there who can help me checking missing files for all the installed packages?
[07:43] <randabis> in the context of what I was saying, I meant that there is no password you can enter to login as root
[07:43] <mjr> Mongol_Samurai, I'm not sure if qemu runs wine yet, but you might look into that
[07:43] <Mongol_Samurai> qemu?
[07:43] <LinuxJones> bsd3, you think your missing some packages from an install ?
[07:44] <mjr> http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/
[07:44] <FuglyRat> is vesa always slow? or is there a way i can speed it up?
[07:44] <randabis> danko123456, did you do sudo apt-get update?
[07:44] <knoppix> found a usb adaptor
[07:44] <randabis> FuglyRat, if you got into plain x, you can now try to install the fglrx drivers
[07:44] <knoppix> lets see if it works now
[07:44] <bsd3> LinuxJones: i think some files have been erased by an accident
[07:44] <danko123456> myeah, but it cant connect to the repos.
[07:44] <FuglyRat> the offical ati drivers?
[07:45] <randabis> yes
[07:45] <FuglyRat> ergh
[07:45] <LinuxJones> bsd3, did you upgrade to hoary or are you sill using warty ?
[07:45] <randabis> they are in the ubuntu repositories for easy installation
[07:45] <danko123456> some of them
[07:45] <danko123456> particularly the marrillat ones.
[07:45] <danko123456> I am on a PPC,
[07:45] <danko123456> on a PC they connect fine.
[07:45] <bsd3> LinuxJones: i'm still using warty
[07:46] <LinuxJones> bsd3, can you log into the system and do you have a working Internet connection ?
[07:46] <randabis> check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowTo (i think that's the link, or something similar) for info on installing the fglrx drivers in ubuntu
[07:46] <FuglyRat> what's the package name?
[07:46] <FuglyRat> oh
[07:46] <FuglyRat> ta
[07:46] <H0lyD4wg> other linux machines on my LAN don't respond to pings from Ubuntu. windows machines respond, but in a strange way. what could be the cause?
[07:46] <bsd3> LinuxJones: yes
[07:47] <LinuxJones> bsd3, are you talking about packages getting uninstalled or random files being deleted ?
[07:47] <randabis> danko123456, check sources.list and make sure the links are correct. is internet in general working on the box?
[07:48] <NanoBCN> hi guys, did anybody compiled gaim with the encryption plugin?
[07:48] <Grosst> bonjour
[07:48] <kmanTFM> hello
[07:48] <danko123456> they are the same as on another comp, a PC, and they work on that one, and I just switched internet connection, and I am fairly sure the connecction is all right, sine I am using that now.
[07:48] <danko123456> brb
[07:48] <tritium> Grosst, hello
[07:49] <Grosst> comment  peut on activer  le pare feu sous ubuntu
[07:49] <kmanTFM> can I use debootstrap to install hoary ubuntu like a regular debian ?
[07:49] <knoppix> well imma put on this usb2ps2 adaptor
[07:49] <knoppix> hope it works
[07:49] <tritium> Grosst, #ubuntu-fr
[07:49] <Grosst> ok
[07:50] <NanoBCN> ops, forget it, I just saw costela's page is pretty up to date
[07:50] <Grosst> oui  c'est ubuntu  fr
[07:51] <tritium> Grosst, I'm not sure what you asked.  I meant you should /join #ubuntu-fr
[07:51] <Welly> Hi guy
[07:51] <Welly> s
[07:53] <H0lyD4wg> Welly, are you looking for me specifically? (i happen to be names Guy)
[07:53] <Welly> ha ha.. if you know about wlan then yes
[07:53] <l00p> When I turn my system on, X doesn't start until I type startx, how do I get it to start on bootup?
[07:53] <l00p> (Using Hoary)
[07:54] <H0lyD4wg> than no, you're looking for the other guy :)
[07:54] <mdz> l00p: did you install directly or upgrade from Debian?
[07:54] <Hoshimaru> good evening. quick question. Is the Ubuntu livecd able to boot a machine with a PCI HPT372 RAID controller? Only novell and Gentoo 2004.0 could do it till now. I wanted to install a new gentoo release, but it's a no go, so I need an alternative
[07:55] <l00p> Upgrade from Warty
[07:55] <l00p> I had to manually install x.org, nautalis and gnome.
[07:56] <l00p> I think I had some of the reposatories commented out when I did the dist-upgrade
[07:56] <Rocha> i think i have fucked up my ubuntu installation
[07:56] <Rocha> i changed warty to hoary in the repositories
[07:56] <mdz> l00p: install the 'ubuntu-desktop' package
[07:56] <Rocha> upgraded synaptic and...bye bye gnome
[07:57] <mdz> Rocha: the same to you
[07:57] <flipflop> hi all. the processor in my machine is a P$ with hyper threading, but when I boot the ubuntu smp kernel, only one processor is detected. how do I get the second?
[07:57] <Rocha> the upgrade didn't finish successfully
[07:57] <l00p> Thanks mdz.
[07:57] <mdz> oh, that's unusual
[07:57] <Rocha> let me logout, brb
[07:57] <vincent> Somebody have try automatic ubnutu update with synaptic
[07:57] <vincent> ?
[07:57] <danko123456> not me.
[07:58] <vincent> I want to try , but i don't want to crash my system ;)
[07:58] <FuglyRat> w00t
[07:58] <danko123456> yeah, theres always that possibility
[07:58] <danko123456> works?
[07:58] <FuglyRat> yup
[07:58] <flipflop> any ideas how to fix the kernel problem?
[07:58] <FuglyRat> nice and fast
[07:58] <FuglyRat> now i can rip out gnome and slap in blackbox
[07:58] <danko123456> sweet, with those binary drivers/
[07:59] <FuglyRat> yeah
[07:59] <danko123456> all right, thanks, good to know.
[07:59] <FuglyRat> rebooted and got a nice 1600x1200 login screen
[07:59] <rubix_> yo where is the kernel-source installed
[07:59] <rubix_> locate linux-source
[07:59] <FuglyRat> tata dudes
[08:00] <universal> hi all
[08:00] <Hoshimaru> Is the Ubuntu livecd able to boot a machine with a PCI HPT372 RAID controller?
[08:00] <rubix_> does the source get d/led in .tar.bz2 format?
[08:00] <flipflop> any ubuntu devs here?
[08:02] <randabis> rubix_, did you apt-get the package already?
[08:02] <randabis> for the source
[08:02] <randabis> if so, a tarball will be located at /usr/src
[08:02] <randabis> you'll need to tar xvjf it
[08:03] <randabis> then make a symbolic link yourself
[08:03] <universal> if you should choose, what movie-player are you then preferring for Linux?
[08:03] <randabis> mplayer or totem-xine
[08:03] <HaloGray> I personally dig the mplayer more than totem-xine
[08:03] <universal> ok, but what if i should player dvd's, what program could i use?
[08:03] <chillywilly> ooo-boon-tooo rules
[08:04] <HaloGray> I think both support dvds as well
[08:04] <randabis> universal, either can play dvds
[08:04] <universal> ohh cool
[08:04] <randabis> you just need the encrypted dvd library
[08:04] <chillywilly> except I NEED a better savage driver, this one sucks balls
[08:04] <randabis> libdvdcss2
[08:04] <rubix_> randabis i did apt-get linux-source
[08:04] <chillywilly> I just attempted to compile xorg from cvs and I get stinking errors
[08:04] <danko123456> hey universal
[08:04] <universal> apt-get libdvdcss2?
[08:04] <Welly> Hello all.. am having a problem with a wireless lan connection using ndiswrapper.. anyone with much knowledge of?
[08:04] <randabis> rubix_, then it is in /usr/src like I said
[08:04] <rubix_> its in /usr/src but its in .tar.bz2 format
[08:04] <universal> hi
[08:04] <danko123456> did you check out http://ubuntuguide.org ?
[08:04] <danko123456> I love that page.
[08:05] <randabis> rubix_, yes...read what I said...you have to  tar xvjf the tarball
[08:05] <josue> anyone knows how to empty the mem cache?
[08:05] <rubix_> randabis sorry i was afk
[08:05] <randabis> no problem
[08:05] <universal> can i apt-get the lib?
[08:05] <josue> sometimes, the cache in my system gets to big i have little ram left.
[08:05] <josue> and it takes a while before its done automatically, so yes, how to empty the cache manually?
[08:06] <josue> im in hoary btw
[08:06] <randabis> universal, if you have a repository with the lib then you should be able to...most people use marillat's repository for it
[08:06] <universal> ok, can u explain what a repository is?
[08:06] <randabis> check http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:06] <occy> could someone here recommend a good PCI modem that works with Linux?
[08:06] <universal> the exact packages?
[08:06] <[dEvIL-mAN] > hello fellow linuxrians
[08:07] <danko123456> heh
[08:07] <randabis> it is a server that stores packages
[08:07] <universal> ahh ok
[08:07] <redrum_> what is hoary array 4?
[08:07] <danko123456> yeah, I love that page.
[08:07] <danko123456> read the FAQ on ubuntulinux.org
[08:07] <[dEvIL-mAN] > how can i access the su comand when i never set up that password?
[08:07] <randabis> rubix_, you can then make a symbolic link to the source if you wish...btw, what do you need the source for anyway?
[08:07] <danko123456> is it asking you for one?
[08:07] <wezzer> use sudo instead
[08:07] <wezzer> sudo su root
[08:07] <[dEvIL-mAN] > i tryed that
[08:07] <randabis> redrum_, it is the latest milestone release of hoary
[08:07] <wezzer> [dEvIL-mAN] : try sudo su root
[08:08] <danko123456> is it asking you for one?-password?
[08:08] <[dEvIL-mAN] > but it wont let me edit a text editor
[08:08] <[dEvIL-mAN] > yeah
[08:08] <wezzer> and enter your _own_ passoword
[08:08] <randabis> sudo -s
[08:08] <[dEvIL-mAN] > i did but no joy
[08:08] <wezzer> umm
[08:08] <wezzer> it should work
[08:08] <danko123456> then try the one that you set up for the first user
[08:08] <randabis> don't do sudo su root
[08:08] <randabis> do sudo -s
[08:08] <redrum_> randabis: do I get all the latest stuff by doing an apt-get upgrade / apt-get update?
[08:08] <danko123456> the first one you set up when you installed ubuntu
[08:08] <[dEvIL-mAN] > ahhh
[08:08] <randabis> redrum_, as long as the repositories are setup
[08:08] <[dEvIL-mAN] > now i'm using root
[08:08] <danko123456> didi you try it?
[08:08] <[dEvIL-mAN] > cheers
[08:09] <Welly> does anyone have any suggestions on how i can test if my network card is installed correctly?
[08:09] <danko123456> hey
[08:09] <danko123456> did it work?
[08:09] <danko123456> my suggestion...
[08:09] <redrum_> randabis: where can i find a doc that'll explain the repositories and which ones I should have set up?
[08:09] <[dEvIL-mAN] > i'll try
[08:09] <[dEvIL-mAN] > it now
[08:09] <occy> Man, there needs to be a place where people can go and buy Linux hardware that is 100% certified to work under Linux.
[08:09] <danko123456> ok...
[08:09] <occy> I should start up my own company.
[08:09] <occy> heh
[08:09] <randabis> redrum_, if you use the array 4 cd they should already be setup
[08:09] <rubix_> ok nvidia still says it can't find the kernel-source-path so i need to do a make menuconfig to get the header files right?
[08:09] <priest> how du i update the program-menu in gnome? or add own program?
[08:09] <danko123456> occy: where in the states?
[08:09] <occy> danko123456: I'm in Georgia (Macon)
[08:09] <redrum_> randabis: well i have ubuntu already install on two machines, but I'm getting errors when I do an apt-get update
[08:10] <redrum_> on one machine...
[08:10] <danko123456> You can wish...
[08:10] <randabis> rubix_, 1, why are you compiling the nvidia drivers yourself when there is a package already available
[08:10] <danko123456> when the state of mind gets better, then you will be able to get it...
[08:10] <rubix_> i gotta compile the kernel module
[08:10] <danko123456> Until then, you can all wish you werent oppressed
[08:10] <randabis> rubix_, there's already a precompiled package for the nvidia driver
[08:10] <danko123456> I am in Canada now..
[08:10] <randabis> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[08:11] <randabis> sudo nvidia-glx-config-enable
[08:11] <randabis> restart x
[08:11] <randabis> done
[08:11] <danko123456> Where Im from, Croatia, they sell comps, with Linux installed, or no OS whatsoever.
[08:11] <randabis> err
[08:11] <randabis> nvidia-glx-config enable
[08:11] <redrum_> randabis: the nvidia drivers is what I'm having a problem with now
[08:11] <redrum_> randabis: ever since I did an apt-get dist-upgrade, i can't get the drivers to work properly
[08:11] <vincent> sorry to disturb you, someone have try to run opengl on the second screen in xinerama
[08:12] <priest> isn't the nvidiadriver precompiled for k7-image?
[08:12] <randabis> redrum_, you probably didn't upgrade collectly
[08:12] <randabis> priest, it's i386 for compatibility I believe
[08:13] <Anubis> synaptic stopped remembering my settings
[08:13] <redrum_> ranabis: what's that, and how do I do it?
[08:13] <randabis> redrum_, to upgrade to hoary you have to use dist-upgrade not just upgrade
[08:14] <randabis> upgrade will hold packages back
[08:14] <redrum_> randabis: i did that
[08:14] <randabis> and you have to make sure your repositories are set to hoary
[08:14] <redrum_> i think they all are
[08:14] <priest> randabis: is there any performence loss to use the 386 image on a amd xp?
[08:15] <randabis> priest, well, maybe just a little bit, but it's probably negligible...I know my 3d in gentoo is slightly faster than in ubuntu...but that's probably because everything is optimized for my processor
[08:15] <rubixXx> randabis, ty that works great
[08:16] <universal> randabis: i have an Enemy Territory file .exe, but what shall i write to open it?
[08:16] <randabis> rubix_, np. :)
[08:16] <randabis> universal, you must have installed the windows version...there's a native linux port of enemy territory
[08:17] <universal> ok, so i cant open the exe, before using windows?
[08:17] <Mongol_Samurai> can anyone give me help with qemu?
[08:17] <randabis> universal, you could try using wine with it, but you should be using native linux stuff
[08:17] <randabis> what is this file anyway?
[08:18] <universal> ok
[08:18] <[dEvIL-mAN] > which packages do i need to download so i can play divx and other types of media?
[08:19] <danko123456> www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:19] <danko123456> that page is great!
[08:19] <danko123456> try it, it has a lot of info.
[08:19] <tritium> [dEvIL-mAN] , read the other stuff in the topic too, like the wiki and FAQ
[08:19] <[dEvIL-mAN] > i have
[08:20] <[dEvIL-mAN] > but everytime i go and look for ogg vorbis
[08:20] <[dEvIL-mAN] > i don't get anything
[08:20] <danko123456> ogg, I run mplayer, and everything works..
[08:20] <danko123456> however, nothing in xine, or other built in works...
[08:20] <[dEvIL-mAN] > strange
[08:21] <klaym> hello! When I do apt-get update & upgrade in order to update my warty, terminal asks whether I should rewrite, for example the config file of firefox. by doing that, will my bookmarks and plugins etc. disappear?
[08:21] <klaym> and if I don't rewrite, will there be something missing on the update?
[08:22] <bert_> hi, can I ask a question?
[08:22] <goldfish> go ahead bert_
[08:22] <LinuxJones> klaym, no
[08:22] <Welly> muhaha.. i'm finally online and connected via my ubuntu install. Brilliant!
[08:22] <bert_> Since I've updated to hoary, my cursor theme has changed. Is there any way I can get the old theme back?
[08:23] <klaym> LinuxJones: so you think there's nothing to lose by rewriting firefox's configs?
[08:23] <klaym> I'm just wondering because it gives 'no' by default
[08:23] <tritium> klaym, nothing to lose.  Your personal bookmarks are not stored in the system-wide config files.
[08:23] <LinuxJones> klaym, you'll be ok yeah
[08:23] <klaym> ok thanks all
[08:23] <acs> hey guys
[08:23] <acs> is ubuntu based on another distro?
[08:24] <bluefoxicy> how do I make iptables rules restore at boot
[08:24] <danko123456> Welly: nice work ...
[08:24] <Welly> :D I'm dead proud
[08:24] <tritium> klaym, you can always view the difference between the config file you have, and the one available for installation
[08:24] <danko123456> Yesterday i also had something of that sortl...
[08:24] <tritium> klaym, for example, if you've configured a printer in cups, you may not want to install the new cups config file
[08:24] <danko123456> I installed a dual boot for Ubuntu, and OSX, on my new PPc.
[08:25] <LinuxJones> acs, it's a derivative of Debian
[08:25] <acs> and is debian as easy to install as ubuntu?
[08:25] <Dreamer3> anyone here use x2x?
[08:25] <tritium> and with fixed being fed back into Debian, it's also an "integral" part of it too :)
[08:25] <tritium> fixes, that is
[08:26] <Welly> what do we reckon to Evolution mail?
[08:26] <bluefoxicy> acs: yes, but current debian is either A) 3 years old, or B) unstable
[08:26] <Welly> it looks pretty nice
[08:27] <LinuxJones> bluefoxicy, you can add them to a script in /etc/init.d/, chmod 770 (root owership) then update-rc.d scriptname defaults
[08:27] <tritium> Welly, what do you mean "reckon to"?
[08:27] <Dreamer3> acs: yes
[08:27] <acs> oohh
[08:27] <Dreamer3> acs: sarge
[08:27] <Welly> tritium, is it any good as a mail client?
[08:27] <bluefoxicy> LinuxJones:  No existing script to do it?
[08:27] <acs> didn't know that, thanks bluefoxicy
[08:27] <Dreamer3> acs: though i'd recommend ubuntu for newer hardware
[08:27] <Welly> i'm kind of used to thunderbird
[08:27] <tritium> Welly, are you on amd64?
[08:27] <bert_> Since I've updated to hoary, my cursor theme has changed. Is there any way I can get the old theme back?
[08:27] <Welly> no.. duron 750 :D
[08:27] <acs> ok thanks I am using ubuntu
[08:27] <acs> but I just wanted to know
[08:28] <tritium> Welly, okay, evolution is pretty good on non-amd64
[08:28] <LinuxJones> bluefoxicy, well I like to add a custom script
[08:28] <Welly> acs, not sure about debian, but i'd give ubuntu a big thumbs up
[08:28] <acs> a friend of mine was telling me about how ubuntu was based on another distro
[08:28] <bluefoxicy> LinuxJones:  on Gentoo, you can `/etc/init.d/iptables save` when you have a good ruleset, and on restart (i.e. boot) it restores your iptables settings
[08:28] <Welly> oh ok.. can you import thunderbird mail into evolution?
[08:28] <Dreamer3> Welly: if all else fails you can use an imap intermediate or something
[08:28] <Anubis> Either create a symbolic link /dev/cdrom pointing toyour cdrom device or set your cdrom device in thepreferences dialog.
[08:28] <Welly> dreamer, sorry? :)
[08:28] <tritium> Welly, I haven't tried, but I think so.
[08:28] <Welly> oh ok!
[08:28] <Welly> i get you
[08:29] <Anubis> whatsthe easy way to do this?
[08:29] <universal> 386 is pentium?
[08:29] <Welly> ok.. next task is to access my NTFS drive
[08:29] <bluefoxicy> universal:  pentium is 80586
[08:29] <Welly> don't tell me
[08:29] <bluefoxicy> but 80386 instructions work
[08:30] <LinuxJones> bluefoxicy, firewall's are not really necessary with Ubuntu anyways :D
[08:30] <bluefoxicy> LinuxJones:  *rolls eyes*
[08:30] <benjanet> should i use...Totem-gstreamer or xine-gstreamer ?
[08:30] <fuflo> one little Q: will i die because of using hoary's apt sources with warty or is it the way its meant to be? :)
[08:30] <bluefoxicy> LinuxJones:  especially when other computers use ubuntu as a router to get out the cable modem huh?
[08:30] <universal> ok, but if 586 package is there.. than i choose that if i have Pentium?
[08:30] <LinuxJones> bluefoxicy, that's one example
[08:30] <occy> $%@$#%#@$%   Can't even find a simple modem that works with Linux anywhere.
[08:30] <universal> *then
[08:31] <benjanet> should i use...Totem-gstreamer or totem-xine ? :D
[08:31] <bluefoxicy> universal:  oh, ubuntu just calls the x86 architecture i386, even though it's built with i486 instructions and runs on 80x86
[08:31] <isah> hi, i made "apt-get install mozilla-firefox", then it says "newest version.." but when i open ff it says "version 0.9.3" can you help me?
[08:31] <danko123456> look up linux modem support in google, occy
[08:31] <occy> Your search - "This modem works with Ubuntu" - did not match any documents.
[08:31] <occy> heh
[08:31] <danko123456> does that not find anything?
[08:31] <Dreamer3> isah: that's the newest version in warty
[08:31] <universal> ok
[08:31] <fuflo> one little Q: will i die because of using hoary's apt sources with warty or is it the way its meant to be? :)
[08:31] <tritium> isah, that's the latest version on Warty.  1.0 is in Hoary.
[08:31] <Dreamer3> isah: hoary has 1.0
[08:31] <occy> danko123456: the results are about winmodems. and crap.
[08:31] <zul> fuflo, not a good idea
[08:32] <isah> Dreamer, thx, but hoary isn't stable?
[08:32] <randabis> depends on what you mean by stable
[08:32] <fuflo> zul: so.. what should i do? warty has only old packages..
[08:32] <tritium> fuflo, update to Hoary then
[08:32] <universal> mplayer-nogui 1:1.0-pre6-woody0.2
[08:32] <universal>   mplayer-k6 1:1.0-pre6-woody0.2
[08:32] <universal>   mplayer-586 1:1.0-pre6-woody0.2
[08:32] <universal>   mplayer-386 1:1.0-pre6-woody0.2
[08:32] <universal>  : what would u choose?
[08:32] <isah> not good for a noob?
[08:32] <zul> fuflo: if you want update to hoary then its pretty stable
[08:33] <Dreamer3> wow, x2x is pretty sweet
[08:33] <universal> i have Ubuntu, with penitum
[08:33] <fuflo> reinstall the whole thing?
[08:33] <fuflo> or some kind of update..
[08:33] <randabis> isah, uh, what?
[08:33] <zul> fuflo: check the instructions in the wiki
[08:33] <randabis> stable means not good for a noob?
[08:33] <fuflo> ok
[08:33] <randabis> I don't know what you mean
[08:33] <isah> randabis, sry, i'm from germany, my english isnt very good ;)
[08:33] <randabis> s'ok
[08:34] <danko123456> is it me, or is Java, nor Flash working on PPCs that run Linux?
[08:34] <occy> found something on ebay.
[08:34] <randabis> danko123456, blame macromedia and sun
[08:35] <danko123456> is it really ntrue?
[08:35] <randabis> brb
[08:35] <danko123456> that has got to suck...
[08:36] <danko123456> that means nothing will work, maybe
[08:36] <randabis> well there might be ppc ports of flash and java...I really don't know
[08:36] <tritium> bluefoxicy, default installation doesn't have ports listening.  No firewall is needed.
[08:36] <fuflo> eh.. zul: i found some sort of howto.. aaand.. it tells me to edit the apt sources and change them to hoary's.. and then update the system. and that's exactly what i am doing now. so what the hell?
[08:36] <priest> is there any problem with using apt-file? i'm getting errors when i'm running apt-file update
[08:37] <danko123456> maybe i can install the OSX one?
[08:37] <danko123456> that would be a long shot...
[08:37] <meuserj|work> you should be able to get Java to work.. but there is no Flash for anything but i386
[08:37] <randabis> no, I don't think that work work
[08:37] <randabis> would work
[08:37] <danko123456> well, there is a Flash for OSX...
[08:37] <dcompton> I'm looking to install nmap through the Synaptic package manager, but it doesn't seem to exist -- is there a repository I'm missing? I'm using Hoary
[08:37] <Dreamer3> ok how do i remove say (ssh-client) to replace with ssh-krb6 (both server and client) without ubuntu having a fit about ubuntu-desktop breaking?
[08:37] <danko123456> but yeah, I dont have to hav it...
[08:38] <randabis> but not pcc linux
[08:38] <bert_> Since I've updated to hoary, my cursor theme has changed. Is there any way I can get the old theme back?
[08:38] <meuserj|work> danko123456, OSX flash will NOT work....
[08:38] <tritium> dcompton, nmap is in both Warty and Hoary main repository
[08:38] <fraggsta> is the version of GNOME in Hoary actually 2.10?  I notice today that there was a footnotes article saying that GNOME 2.10 beta 2 just came out and is known as 2.9.91, which is exactly what the "About GNOME" menu leads me to a dialogue box saying.  I upgraded my packages about 1/2 an hour ago.
[08:38] <danko123456> I use warty stillk and know how to change cursor themes, actually maybe I know...
[08:38] <LinuxJones> Dreamer3, it's ok if Ubuntu-Desktop get's removed it's just a metapackage
[08:39] <dcompton> tritium, i did a search for nmap in synaptic and came up with no results
[08:39] <tritium> dcompton, you've updated?
[08:39] <dcompton> You mean reload? I've reloaded -- it grabs 4 files
[08:39] <universal> why cant i install mpleyer completly? ..... folowing dependencies is un...
[08:39] <tritium> dcompton, "sudo apt-get update"
[08:39] <universal> mplayer
[08:40] <tritium> dcompton, maybe that's called reload in synaptic, I don't know
[08:40] <universal> i try apt-get install mplayer-386
[08:40] <universal> what to do?
[08:40] <Dreamer3> LinuxJones: ok
[08:41] <dcompton> tritium - still doesn't exist
[08:41] <tritium> dcompton, this is one line of the output from "apt-cache policy nmap": 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages
[08:41] <sig_ubuntu> apt-get install mplayer
[08:41] <jontiz> any swedish ubuntu channel irc?
[08:41] <universal> yes, and then i have more than one posibilities
[08:41] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  iptables isn't only firewall
[08:41] <bluefoxicy> it's frelling port forwarding and nat and all
[08:41] <universal> mplayer-nogui 1:1.0-pre6-woody0.2
[08:41] <universal> universal   mplayer-k6 1:1.0-pre6-woody0.2
[08:41] <universal> universal   mplayer-586 1:1.0-pre6-woody0.2
[08:41] <universal> universal   mplayer-386 1:1.0-pre6-woody0.2
[08:41] <universal> universal  : what would u choose?
[08:41] <sig_ubuntu> universal: are you i686 or i386?
[08:41] <tritium> bluefoxicy, nevertheless, don't expect it to become part of standard install
[08:42] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  default installation comes with the iptables program
[08:42] <sig_ubuntu> universal: 386
[08:42] <universal> i386 is pentium?
[08:42] <bluefoxicy> so why not finish the job and install a script that manages your rules too
[08:42] <bluefoxicy> you know, WITH iptables
[08:42] <dcompton> tritium it seems like default hoary doesn't include certain respositories?
[08:42] <bluefoxicy> either you have it or you don't, don't go half assed.
[08:42] <tritium> dcompton, it always includes "main", though, and nmap is in main
[08:43] <dcompton> i executed that apt-cache command it said it did not find it
[08:43] <kerignell> i have a laptop without internal CD, though an usb cdrom, installation fails when probing for CDroms, is there an easy solution? i know nothing about patching kernels :P
[08:43] <kerignell> jontiz: jag r svensk :)
[08:43] <tritium> dcompton, double check your sources.list
[08:45] <dcompton> ahh I think I know what's wrong -- since the hoary second stage install failed from network (apparently a common bug), i redid it using the cd source and it never added the network apt repositories
[08:45] <dcompton> it'd be nice if there was an easy way to get those included
[08:45] <tritium> bluefoxicy, did you read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/iptables?
[08:46] <lamont> ok... how did I just iconify every single window on my desktop?
[08:46] <lamont> and how do I undo that?
[08:46] <lamont> other than one at a time...
[08:47] <tritium> bluefoxicy, you should probably read /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz
[08:47] <danko123456> oh man, you dont wanna know what my synaptic looks like...
[08:48] <bluefoxicy> oh god, you had a script and depricated it x.x
[08:48] <universal> dependencies: libdvdread2 and libvorbis0
[08:48] <Welly> hmm.. where do i set universe in synaptic?
[08:49] <LinuxJones> bluefoxicy, why not just install Firestarter it has a script AND a GUI
[08:49] <tritium> bluefoxicy, most of us don't need it.  That's why you get to configure it how you want it.
[08:50] <tritium> bluefoxicy, adding 2 lines to /etc/network/interfaces isn't all that hard
[08:50] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  And i have this myfirewall.sh script already
[08:50] <bluefoxicy> right?
[08:50] <bluefoxicy> nope
[08:51] <tritium> bluefoxicy, so use it. That's also documented in that doc I showed you.
[08:51] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  so add writing a script to that
[08:51] <tjb> just installed warty on an older system and need an easy way to specify the monitor type
[08:51] <rubixXx> there an apt-get package for xchat-systray
[08:51] <tritium> bluefoxicy, you said you had it written, and used it in Gentoo
[08:51] <rubixXx> or a .deb anyone knwos about
[08:51] <kerignell> i have a laptop without internal CD, though an usb cdrom, installation fails when probing for CDroms, is there an easy work around? i know nothing about patching kernels :P
[08:52] <sig_ubuntu> rubix_: apt-cache search xchat
[08:52] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  the script came iwth gentoo :)
[08:52] <tritium> cool, use it
[08:52] <chillywilly> bah, which package it the xorg dev package? I've been searching but can't find it
[08:53] <chillywilly> is*
[08:53] <danko123456> damn'
[08:53] <tritium> chillywilly, you want xlibs-dev?
[08:54] <bluefoxicy> firestarter looks nice, I guess.
[08:54] <tritium> chillywilly, or the xorg-driver-fglrx-dev
[08:54] <tritium> ?
[08:54] <chillywilly> yeam, I am trying to build mesa, xorg and dri using the instructions on their wiki
[08:54] <tritium> chillywilly, you probably need xlibs-dev, then
[08:54] <chillywilly> k
[08:55] <goldfish> How would I set up telnet in ubuntu?
[08:55] <chillywilly> the end goal is to have dri working for savage as the unaccelerated driver is painful to use ;)
[08:55] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: dri works
[08:55] <tritium> goldfish, "sudo apt-get install telnetd", but wouldn't a SSH server be better?
[08:55] <bert_> Since I've updated to hoary, my cursor theme has changed. Is there any way I can get the old theme back?
[08:56] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: use the daily builds from CVS
[08:56] <chillywilly> well it's not working for me ;P
[08:56] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: what savage chip you have?
[08:56] <chillywilly> Dreamer3: so there are package?
[08:56] <chillywilly> Dreamer3: one sec
[08:56] <goldfish> tritium: yes, but my router is giving me problems with port forwarding
[08:56] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: no, not .debs... but it's not hard at all once you get rolling with the setup
[08:56] <goldfish> well
[08:56] <chillywilly> S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] 
[08:56] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: i'm using the builds from the 3rd with 0 problems
[08:56] <goldfish> tritium: Would you know how I could bind ssh to port 23?
[08:56] <chillywilly> the id is...
[08:56] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: i've heard of more problems with prosavage, but i'd still give it a try
[08:57] <tritium> goldfish, no, sorry.  I'm a physical layer guy :)
[08:57] <goldfish> kk :)
[08:57] <goldfish> thanks
[08:57] <tjb> is there any text/graphical configuration for selecting the monitor in ubuntu? the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't ask about my monitor
[08:57] <chillywilly> Dreamer3: what files did you grab?
[08:57] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Download (look under snapshots)
[08:57] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: you'll have to do some system re-engineering
[08:58] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: if you are totally new, i don't know what my advice would me
[08:58] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: you're replacing parts of your X install with X.org stuff
[08:58] <Dreamer3> i've done it so many times it's like old hat to me
[08:58] <chillywilly> Xorg is on this machine
[08:59] <chillywilly> this is hoary
[08:59] <chillywilly> Dreamer3: it's basically copying stuff over right?
[08:59] <isah> one more question: how can i make a shortcut to a pc in the network (in nautilus: smb://192.168.1.100/)
[08:59] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: well, you move the old stuff first
[08:59] <CyberSnooP> Are there other hoary users with troubles 'reloading' in synaptic?
[08:59] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: me, i use symlinks for everything
[08:59] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: XFree86 -> X.org or XFree86.ubuntu
[08:59] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: etc
[08:59] <aquarius> The python-nautilus package doesn't seem to work (I'm running an up-to-date hoary). I've put scripts in /usr/lib/nautilus/extensions-1.0/python and they're not being run; is there any way I can debug this?
[09:00] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: not that I ever change back and forth or anything :)
[09:00] <twisted_steel> CyberSnooP: the only 'problems' I get are complaints of missing gpg keys
[09:00] <chillywilly> Dreamer3: alrighty
[09:00] <Welly> this is brilliant.. i'm well chuffed i've got this working
[09:00] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: good luck, if you're serios i'd joing the mailing list
[09:01] <chillywilly> Dreamer3: you don't think I should go through building things?
[09:01] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: there are also savage mailing lists
[09:01] <Dreamer3> chillywilly: i wouldn't waste the time, find a nightly that works for you
[09:01] <CyberSnooP> I get "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)"
[09:01] <chillywilly> I saw one I probo.com
[09:01] <chillywilly> Dreamer3: ok
[09:01] <twisted_steel> CyberSnooP: I'll try reloading right now
[09:02] <CyberSnooP> twisted_steel, thanks, because if yours doesn't fail, my gzip is borked :)
[09:02] <twisted_steel> CyberSnooP: well, after this package finishes in 1 minute :)
[09:02] <Spleeze> would you guys recommend using hoary or warty?
[09:02] <danko123456> warty...
[09:02] <danko123456> if you are new to it.
[09:02] <froust> spleeze: stability, or bleeding edge?
[09:02] <danko123456> that one is more stable/.
[09:02] <Spleeze> stability i suppose
[09:03] <speel> warty
[09:03] <Spleeze> thanks guys
[09:03] <froust> Spleeze: then warty
[09:03] <tjb> is there any text/graphical configuration for selecting the monitor in ubuntu? the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't ask about my monitor
[09:03] <froust> Spleeze: although hoary has been pretty stable
[09:03] <josue> hey ppl
[09:04] <josue> i need to empty manually my memory cach
[09:04] <froust> tjb: read the top of your xfree86 config file... you have to do an md5sum to it
[09:04] <josue> *cache
[09:04] <josue> how can i do it?
[09:04] <josue> as i have about 150mb in cache, and only 10mb free
[09:04] <twisted_steel> CyberSnooP: no errors at the moment, but perhaps it's because there aren't any new packages in the repositories
[09:04] <josue> any ideas?
[09:05] <tjb> i don't know my monitor specs - with fedora i just pick it from a list. any way to do this with ubuntu?
[09:05] <tjb> it's not probe-able
[09:05] <CyberSnooP> well, I'll try and be patient for a few hours.. ubuntu folks didn't miss much of my problems till now :)
[09:06] <speel> tjb why whats wrong with ur monitor?
[09:06] <Welly> is there anything you can do with the ugly task bar at the bottom? i know i can probably hide it but it's quite handy, just not very pretty :)
[09:06] <tjb> it's 1024x768@60Hz - it can do better
[09:06] <speel> wel: you can dlt it if you want
[09:06] <tjb> dlt?
[09:06] <aquarius> Welly, do you want to delete it or hide it?
[09:07] <speel> deleat
[09:07] <speel> delete**
[09:07] <Welly> hide it or pretty it up :)
[09:07] <speel> right click on it
[09:07] <aquarius> Welly: right click and say Properties to hide it.
[09:07] <speel> and click properties
[09:07] <aquarius> Pretty it up: I tend to get rid of it entirely and put the workspace switcher on the top panel :)
[09:07] <Welly> can yuo do that? that would probably help
[09:08] <aquarius> Welly, yep. Right-click on the top panel and Add To Panel... all the stuff that you want on there. Then right-click the bottom one and Delete Panel.
[09:09] <Welly> got you.. gnome is a pretty decent environment
[09:09] <speel> yepp
[09:09] <cartman> is there a way to get resolv.conf not overwritten ?
[09:09] <cartman> with dhcp that is
[09:10] <speel> cartman: well you can chmod the resolv file but im not sure of thats what your looking for
[09:11] <speel> man i wish there was a ubuntu request box or somthing like that
[09:11] <cartman> speel: tried that its still overwritten :/
[09:12] <acs> doesn't ubuntu come with lynx??
[09:12] <jontiz> any swedish ubuntu irc channel?
[09:12] <speel> cartman: ah damn then i dont know =/ check linuxquestions.org
[09:12] <hellekin> hello
[09:12] <[dEvIL-mAN] > how can i create a shortcut to a folder?
[09:12] <speel> acs: no
[09:12] <cartman> :/
[09:12] <acs> ok
[09:12] <william96> Anyone done a PPC install before?
[09:13] <speel> acs:  but you can use apt-get to get it *i think*
[09:13] <hellekin> i'm on amodem link and trying to install an sl-modem from windows. I downloaded sl-modem-source and sl-modem-daemon but it requires sl-modem-modules-new which I can't find. Any hint ?
[09:13] <william96> Has anyone made a sucessful attempt at a  PPC install before?
[09:14] <aquarius> [dEvIL-mAN] , right-click and say Make Link.
[09:14] <michael> anyone having problems with sound?
[09:14] <william96> .
[09:14] <william96> Has anyone made a sucessful attempt at a  PPC install before?
[09:14] <[dEvIL-mAN] > aquarius it doesnt let me
[09:14] <speel> william96: guess not lol
[09:14] <william96> Oh wel..
[09:14] <[dEvIL-mAN] > maybe because the link i want to do is from my winxp partition?
[09:14] <william96> *well...
[09:15] <aquarius> [dEvIL-mAN] , is that option not there? Or does it try and fail?
[09:15] <[dEvIL-mAN] > the option is not there
[09:15] <aquarius> [dEvIL-mAN] , ok, right-click and say Copy.
[09:15] <hellekin> william96: i tried the warty CD without any success on a powebook 1400cs
[09:15] <william96> Ah
[09:15] <[dEvIL-mAN] > copy file?
[09:15] <aquarius> [dEvIL-mAN] , ah, no, forget that, you can't paste a link.
[09:15] <william96> Thanks
[09:15] <william96> same here
[09:16] <[dEvIL-mAN] > ok
[09:16] <hellekin> william96: and it trashed the MacOS ;o\
[09:18] <aquarius> [dEvIL-mAN] , ah. try ctrl-shift-dragging it to a new folder.
[09:18] <aquarius> oh. missed him. never mind.
[09:21] <hellekin> william96: did you try the hoarY LIVE cd ,
[09:21] <hellekin> ooops
[09:21] <william96> No. I did not try the hoarty live cd.
[09:22] <william96> The PPC 5.04 Live cd?
[09:22] <choudesh> Hello all.
[09:22] <william96> hi
[09:22] <choudesh> I was wondering, when installing the Apache2 from Synaptic, where is the apache binary at? Apache2ctl is spitting out FNFs
[09:23] <hellekin> william96: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-4/hoary-live-powerpc.iso
[09:25] <[Spooky] > hello.. anyone know where i can get libgtk-1.2.so.0 ?
[09:25] <Dreamer3> hmmmm
[09:25] <Dreamer3> two x displays isn't all it's cracked up to be
[09:25] <choudesh> [Spooky] , its in the repo.
[09:26] <[Spooky] > repo ?
[09:26] <choudesh> Repositories.
[09:26] <choudesh> but I am wrong, only 2.0.
[09:27] <twisted_steel> [Spooky] : perhaps libgtk1.2-dev in Synaptic?
[09:27] <ssam> on hoary ppc, in synaptic, there are a choice of powerpc, power3 and power4 kernels.  are they just for ibm servers, or will they work on the apple g4 / g5?
[09:27] <ghen> I have a couple of questions regarding network configuration
[09:28] <ghen> how can I "modprobe 3c509" automatically at boot time?
[09:28] <ghen> and how can I configure my IP and default route automatically at boot time?
[09:28] <ghen> I can do them manually
[09:28] <ghen> and everything works
[09:28] <[Spooky] > ive fixed it thanks anyway :)
[09:30] <twisted_steel> [Spooky] : excellent :)
[09:30] <hellekin> ghen: check /etc/network/interfaces for setting up your IP (man 5 interfaces i think)
[09:30] <choudesh> twisted_steel, know how to get Apache2 to work right out of the repo?
[09:31] <hellekin> ghen: for the module at boot time, add the module name in /etc/modules
[09:31] <speel> apache2ctl start :P
[09:31] <ghen> aha thanks
[09:31] <choudesh> speel, oddly, it can't find the binary.
[09:31] <ghen> now the ifconfig and route add
[09:32] <speel> did you do it as root?
[09:32] <hellekin> ghen: man interfaces
[09:32] <twisted_steel> choudesh: perhaps there's something in /etc/init.d/
[09:32] <ghen> hellekin: /etc/network/interfaces has "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback"
[09:32] <choudesh> speel, yeah.
[09:32] <ghen> hellekin; ok i'll check that
[09:32] <ghen> thanks
[09:32] <hellekin> you're welcome
[09:32] <ghen> I'm quite new to the "linux way" of doing these things :-)
[09:32] <ghen> (coming from *BSD)
[09:33] <speel> ah then try sudo /etc/init.d/httpd start or apache2 start or apache2ctl start i forgot what comes after /etc/init.d/
[09:34] <hellekin> does anyone know about an sl-modem-modules-new package ?
[09:35] <choudesh> twisted_steel, /usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 98: /usr/sbin/apache2: No such file or directory
[09:35] <choudesh> twisted_steel, both apache2ctl and init.d/apache point to a bad location
[09:35] <hellekin> choudesh: you should apt-get install apache2 then
[09:35] <choudesh> hellekin, I did install from the repo.
[09:35] <hellekin> bad luck =8)
[09:36] <twisted_steel> choudesh: there must be something wrong with the package, but I don't have apache on any of my machines here
[09:36] <hellekin> choudesh: do you really need apache2? Wouldn't apache 1.3.xx work for you ?
[09:37] <choudesh> hellekin, I believe apache2 common in the only one in the repo
[09:37] <universal> could someone hold me installing mplayer ?
[09:37] <hellekin> oh... i'm too much debian then
[09:38] <twisted_steel> choudesh: did you also install the apache2 package?
[09:38] <choudesh> twisted_steel, yeah
[09:38] <hellekin> universal: check http://ubuntuguide.org/ it's documented there
[09:38] <universal> i try apt-get install mplayer-386 but efterwards it says : mplayer-386: Afhngigheder: libarts (>= 4:2.2.2-1) men den kan ikke installeres eller
[09:38] <universal>                               libarts-alsa (>= 4:2.2.2-1) men den kan ikke installeres
[09:38] <universal>                Afhngigheder: libdvdread2 men den kan ikke installeres
[09:38] <universal>                Afhngigheder: libvorbis0 (>= 1.0rc3-1) men den kan ikke installeres
[09:38] <universal> E: delagte pakker
[09:39] <twisted_steel> choudesh: it looks like those packages don't really come with the server
[09:39] <universal> no, hmm
[09:39] <twisted_steel> choudesh: 'you need to install one of the apache2-mpm* packages'
[09:39] <choudesh> twisted_steel, I just got that. ;-)
[09:39] <universal> then what to write?
[09:39] <twisted_steel> choudesh: :)
[09:39] <Anubis> ogle does not see my DVD player
[09:39] <ghen> hellekin; ok everything gets initialized at boot-time, thanks!
[09:40] <Anubis> Totem does but can't get past the opening screen
[09:40] <hellekin> ghen: making you happy makes me happy too ;o)
[09:40] <Anubis> mplayer is dead
[09:40] <benjanet> why cant i get into applications:// from nautilus ?
[09:40] <ghen> ;-)
[09:40] <choudesh> twisted_steel, thanks bro
[09:40] <twisted_steel> choudesh: no problem
[09:40] <ghen> ok next question -- I want to configre a new kernel.  do i have to download .tar.bz2 from kernel.org or can I install it as a package
[09:40] <speel> its applications:///
[09:40] <ghen> and how can I start from it's *current* configuration?
[09:41] <hellekin> ghen: no way, you have to do it the debian way (which must be the sae as the ubuntu way AFAIK)
[09:41] <benjanet> speel, applications:/// doesent work
[09:41] <ghen> hellekin; ok, but why is this "debian way" always different? (^&
[09:41] <hellekin> ghen for the config, simply copy it from the /boot directory
[09:41] <hellekin> ghen: because it is simpler and painless =8)
[09:42] <ghen> ok it's in /boot, thanks!
[09:42] <giard> anyone know how the website rewrite is going?  the competition ended a couple weeks ago...
[09:42] <ghen> hellekin; hm.. just gonna grab the latest 2.4.x from kernel.org and start out with the /boot/config-*
[09:42] <choudesh> twisted_steel, for php, php4-gd?
[09:42] <speel> benjanet: open a console and type nautilus applications:///
[09:42] <hellekin> ghen: use synaptics and search for kernel-source, kernel-package...
[09:43] <benjanet> speel, i get the same error...not a valid location
[09:43] <speel> odd
[09:43] <choudesh> twisted_steel, php4-gd package....
[09:43] <ghen> aha as in apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.29 ?
[09:43] <ghen> are these stock kernels or patched?
[09:43] <hellekin> ghen: once you've got the right packages, use make-kpkg
[09:44] <hellekin> ghen, i guess they're patched
[09:44] <hellekin> ghen: but i shouldn't be telling you all that, you know... RTFM style
[09:44] <ghen> ok when I'm all done hacking and building the kernel, just add entry to grub config and reboot the sucker?
[09:45] <hellekin> ghen: make-kpkg makes it a one-liner
[09:45] <ghen> hellekin; n/p, was just looking for the quick'n dirty way to fetch the sources (instead of ftp'ing them from kernel.org)
[09:45] <hellekin> ghen: apt-get is your friend
[09:45] <ghen> it's apt-getting right now ;-)
[09:45] <ghen> 2.4.26 is ok I guess
[09:46] <jontiz> any swedish ubuntu irc channel?
[09:46] <tritium> ghen, linux-source packages are what you want
[09:46] <ghen> tritium; i'm installing kernel-sources is that the same?
[09:46] <hellekin> rhaaaaaaa.... i'm stuck on a windows (winLSD ;o)
[09:48] <tritium> ghen, kernel-source has Debian patches.  linux-source has Ubuntu patches.
[09:48] <ghen> tritium; ok.  won't make much difference I guess
[09:48] <ghen> just want to strip down the kernel
[09:48] <hellekin> tritium: thanks for the tip... Do they differ a lot ?
[09:48] <ghen> it's probing and booting quite slowly
[09:49] <benjanet> any idea why i cant get into  applications:/// ?
[09:49] <tritium> hellekin, I've not looked at the differences to really know the answer to that
[09:49] <ghen> hellekin; I guess ubuntu sources have some more aggressive patches than debian sources?
[09:50] <ghen> as in, less conservative
[09:50] <twisted_steel> benjanet: are you running hoary or warty?
[09:50] <tritium> benjanet, that's not working at the moment in Hoary.  transition to freedesktop.org standards might take a little time
[09:50] <tritium> ghen, I think that's a fair assumption, in general
[09:50] <benjanet> tritium, thanks :D
[09:50] <ewhitten> afternoon, all. :)
[09:50] <FAST> anyone wanna help me?  i was playing around with gconf editor, under apps->nautilus->preferences. i unchecked show desktop. then i checked it back on, but i cant see icons, or get mouse menus on the desktop???
[09:51] <tritium> benjanet, sure.  I hope it's not too big a problem for you.  It'll be resolved with time.
[09:51] <ZorroBytes> benjanet: from what I gather in the #gnome channel, the applications:/// was removed because in gnome 2.10 it's been removed.
[09:51] <benjanet> tritium, just playing around :D
[09:51] <Joe2> Hiya I got a toshiba tecra 8100 laptop, will ubuntu install and work properly on this?
[09:52] <tritium> benjanet, there will be a way to add applications, though I'm not sure how yet
[09:52] <benjanet> ZorroBytes, tritium ...i really want to go to bluetooth:///
[09:55] <ghen> hellekin; argh, /boot/config is for 2.6.x, can I use it as a base to configure a 2.4.x?
[09:55] <ghen> or should I use 2.6 too?
[09:56] <Welly> Hello all again.. trying to install the nvidia video driver but am getting an error of - dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glf_1.0.6111-lubuntu8_i386.deb (--unpack)
[09:56] <Welly> any ideas?
[09:56] <hellekin> if you know all hardware parts of your computer are supported in 2.4, go for it.
[09:56] <FAST> anyone wanna help me?  i was playing around with gconf editor, under apps->nautilus->preferences. i unchecked show desktop. then i checked it back on, but i cant see icons, or get mouse menus on the desktop???
[09:56] <meuserj|work> Welly, there should be more to that error....
[09:57] <hellekin> for the config, i guess any unknown option is ignored and the default is set for options absent from the config file
[09:57] <speel> Welly: i dont know if this might help you but hey it might here http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[09:57] <Welly> oh yeah.. - subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
[09:57] <Welly> cheers speel, i'll have a look
[09:58] <Welly> hmm.. the suggestion in that faq does the same thing and gives me the same error :S
[09:59] <meuserj|work> Welly, the message that you pasted still isn't the complete message.. if you scroll up, you should be able to see the reason that the package couldn't be installed
[09:59] <ghen> do I have to be root to configure/build kernel?
[10:00] <ghen> (for installing yes, obviously)
[10:00] <Welly> meuserj, is there a paste bin on this channel?
[10:00] <tritium> Welly, did you try "apt-get -f install" and/or "dpkg --configure --pending"?
[10:00] <meuserj|work> not that I know of
[10:00] <Welly> tritium, i'll try that
[10:03] <FAST> ;_;
[10:03] <hummm> hello again :>
[10:03] <ewhitten> yo.
[10:03] <hummm> solved the problem i had with nautilus
[10:04] <hummm> pretty annoying actually
[10:04] <ewhitten> what was your problem?
[10:04] <hummm> ewhitten: couldnt change background in nautilus
[10:04] <hummm> grabbing, dragging and dropping a new color/tile on an object didnt change anything :>
[10:05] <Welly> this is the error i'm getting - http://www.transmogrify.co.uk/Screenshot.png
[10:05] <FAST> anyone wanna help me?  i was playing around with gconf editor, under apps->nautilus->preferences. i unchecked show desktop. then i checked it back on, but i cant see icons, or get mouse menus on the desktop???
[10:06] <tritium> Welly, you also have ati drivers installed?
[10:06] <hummm> FAST: try log off/log on again
[10:06] <Welly> i hope not
[10:06] <Welly> why,  does it look like i do?
[10:06] <tritium> Welly, you have fglrx-driver, yes
[10:06] <Welly> oh right
[10:06] <Welly> so uninstall that and i should be ok?
[10:06] <tritium> Yeah
[10:07] <Welly> this is all very new to me :) it's good though..
[10:07] <chillywilly> where is the kernel source package for hoary's kernel? I don't see 2.6.10 source package
[10:07] <tritium> chillywilly, linux-source-2.6.10
[10:08] <chillywilly> tritium: do I also need the patches package?
[10:08] <fuflo> k.. me again..
[10:08] <tritium> chillywilly, no.
[10:08] <tritium> chillywilly, why are you building your own kernel, if I may ask?
[10:09] <fuflo> does LANG var define others like LC_ALL as well?
[10:09] <Welly> tritium, you know your stuff :) cheers man
[10:09] <chillywilly> tritium: cause I can
[10:09] <fuflo> cause i only see LANG with some output.. and no LC_ALL, LC_CTYPE etc..
[10:09] <tritium> Welly, :)
[10:09] <Welly> right.. need to reboot
[10:09] <Welly> back in a mo! i love this! it's like a new toy :)
[10:09] <yaaar> word
[10:09] <Welly> and it's not crashed once
[10:10] <fuflo> im using lt_LT now.. but some applications shows russian+lithuanian
[10:10] <fuflo> i dont understand why..
[10:10] <ssam> on hoary ppc, in synaptic, there are a choice of powerpc, power3 and power4 kernels.  are they just for ibm servers, or will they work on the apple g4 / g5?
[10:10] <tritium> chillywilly, okay, just curious.  Few people actually _need_ custom kernels anymore.
[10:11] <FAST> hummo, i rebooted the computer, but still no icons/mouse menus
[10:11] <FAST> *hummm
[10:11] <chillywilly> tritium: and if you need to compile some module? ;)
[10:11] <chillywilly> tritium: you just might need the source
[10:11] <tritium> chillywilly, you get linux-headers ;)
[10:12] <djtansey> anyone here know anything about mono? i'm trying to get gtk-sharp-2.0(.pc) -- must i build it from cvs?
[10:12] <ghen> make menuconfig complains abount missing ncurses
[10:12] <defendguin> does the live CD have a dialer for dialup internet connections?
[10:12] <ghen> and apt-get install ncurses fails ...
[10:12] <twisted_steel> djtansey: what software are you trying to install?
[10:12] <hummm> am i right that synaptic and some other management applications use GTK1 instead of gtk?
[10:13] <hummm> gtk2 even
[10:13] <tritium> chillywilly, nvidia module in debian used to have to be built by the user, so I used to use -headers package.  source package is rarely needed
[10:13] <djtansey> twisted_steel -- gst-sharp extension for beagle
[10:13] <yaaar> does anybody have any idea why my webserver won't use php to deliver an index.php page in a certain directory? If I name it anything else it works fine, but when I name it index.php the browser asks me to save it (like it doesn't know the file type) and when I do it contains all the php. ?!?!
[10:13] <twisted_steel> djtansey: let me see if I have that installed
[10:15] <chillywilly> tritium: well it failed with just linux-headers
[10:15] <phobophobic> is there an apt source for 2.6.10?
[10:15] <tritium> chillywilly, what failed?
[10:15] <phobophobic> it's not showing in synaptic
[10:15] <chillywilly> Makefile:163: *** Cannot find a kernel config file.  Stop.
[10:15] <chillywilly> DRI
[10:15] <twisted_steel> djtansey: from the beagle howto on the wiki, it looks like you have to install it from subversion
[10:16] <Rajio> Hi, can someone give me a hand? I really don't know what I'm doing but cant find the solution online: Trying to install ubuntu (my first *nix install) and it's finished but it boots to a black screen. Am i doing something wrong?
[10:16] <tritium> chillywilly, you need to copy the kernel's config file to the proper location
[10:16] <Tux-Rox> Anyone here using hoary on a daily basis?
[10:16] <tritium> Tux-Rox, yes
[10:16] <twisted_steel> Tux-Rox: yes
[10:16] <Tux-Rox> Stable enough for daily use then?
[10:17] <tritium> Tux-Rox, in my opinion.  Do you have much previous debian or linux experience?
[10:17] <djtansey> twisted_steel: i maintain the hoary wiki (i'm trying to update it due to a complaint) -- i have the source for gst-sharp. it doesn't compile because it needs gtk-sharp-2.0.pc
[10:17] <twisted_steel> Tux-Rox: most of the time - there are the occasional broken packages
[10:17] <aquarius> If I have a big with a package in universe, do I just mail ubuntu-users?
[10:17] <aquarius> s/big/bug/
[10:17] <tritium> aquarius, you can file a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:17] <Tux-Rox> tritium, yes, a lot of Linux experience, I'm an RHCE, but new to debian, though picking it up fast.
[10:18] <ghen> make menuconfig doesn't work because of missing ncurses, but apt-get install ncurses says "Package ncurses has no installation candidate", what must I do?
[10:18] <tritium> Tux-Rox, you should be fine.  You'll just have to get used to apt instead of rpm :)
[10:18] <tritium> Tux-Rox, which will be a blessing and a joy :)
[10:18] <chillywilly> tritium: the headers package does not match my kernel package version the actual kernel is "-2" while the package I grabbed was "-3"
[10:18] <Tux-Rox> tritium, That has been a nice change, let me tell you!
[10:18] <tritium> chillywilly, yeah, you have to have matching packages
[10:18] <tritium> Tux-Rox, no doubt :)
[10:19] <tritium> chillywilly, if you're more comfortable using the -source package, by all means, do so.
[10:19] <twisted_steel> djtansey: I don't see anything in the repositories :/
[10:20] <chillywilly> tritium: I think I will install the newer image ;)
[10:22] <FAST> where are gnome themes at for ubuntu >?
[10:22] <kerignell> can someone tell me how to find out at what /dev/ my usb cd-rom is? installer fails to find it..
[10:22] <tritium> chillywilly, okay :)
[10:29] <phobophobic> where can i find an apt source for a 2.6.10 image?
[10:30] <crimsun> in hoary/main, package 'linux-source-2.6.10'
[10:30] <ssam> whats the differnce between the 'radeon' and 'ati' drivers in xorg?
[10:31] <bluefoxicy> 16 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:31] <bluefoxicy> Need to get 20.3MB of archives.
[10:31] <bluefoxicy> After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used.
[10:31] <benjanet> what is the xscreensaver .xml path ?
[10:31] <bluefoxicy> 0 bytes, what's the chances :P
[10:31] <crimsun> ssam: radeon is a very specific subset of ati
[10:31] <phobophobic> so i need to upgrade to hoary...is there a howto on doing so from a warty install
[10:31] <bluefoxicy> phobophobic: change "warty" to "hoary" in sources.list
[10:31] <bluefoxicy> apt-get update
[10:31] <bluefoxicy> apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:31] <bluefoxicy> that's about what I did anyway.
[10:31] <ssam> so if in doubt use the ati?
[10:31] <phobophobic> ok, thanks
[10:32] <FAST> how come you can't turn off the date on the clock at the top right
[10:32] <FAST> and just display time
[10:32] <ssam> or should i use the radeon if it supports my card
[10:33] <WillCooke> FAST, You can, right click, choose prefs then uncheck the "date" box
[10:33] <FAST> doh
[10:33] <ssam> i am on ppc so i cant use the offical binaries
[10:34] <chillywilly> yay, I have DRI
[10:35] <benjanet> what is the xscreensaver .xml path ?
[10:35] <louisWu> hi. i am trying to enable dri with a radeon mobility 7500 under warty. radeon.ko is loaded and dri enabled in X's config. glxinfo though tells me dri is disabled, and i get the libgl_debug message:"libGL error: dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/radeon_dri.so failed (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/radeon_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_noop_enable_warnings)" any ideas?
[10:36] <thegnark> hi everyone, i'm venturing into ubuntu for the first time and i'm trying to install madwifi drivers.. problem is on make i'm getting an error that uuencode is not a recognized command. is there some package i'm missing i can get from apt-get?
[10:36] <manobes> question, is the only way to make spamassassin learn not-spam mails to export a whole batch of them to mbox format and run it from the command line?  There's no way to tag mails as "not junk" in evolution.
[10:37] <Anubis> hdparm is not keeping my settings for my cdrom drives?
[10:37] <Anubis> and body know what to do?
[10:37] <restrex> how is called the new fonts rendering at hoary ?? http://restrex.dotgeek.org/hoary.png :/ thanks
[10:38] <manobes> thegnark: sudo apt-get intsall sharutils
[10:38] <manobes> thegnark: that will give you uuencode
[10:38] <blah09> hi do you guys have sound in firefox when you play an swf?
[10:38] <thegnark> i tried to manually install sharutils and i'm getting other erros, but let me try that
[10:39] <Anubis> putting stuff in /etc/modules.conf is not working
[10:39] <blah09> i installed flashplayer-mozilla and flashplugin-nonfree
[10:39] <blah09> but i dont have sound for some reason
[10:39] <phobophobic> ah, let the apt-gettage begin
[10:39] <twisted_steel> blah09: yes, I have sound
[10:39] <blah09> what did you install?
[10:39] <blah09> im running hoary btw
[10:39] <twisted_steel> blah09: I have flashplayer-mozilla under hoary
[10:39] <manobes> thegnark: always try to use the packaging system if you can
[10:40] <blah09> odd =/
[10:40] <thegnark> manobes, "package sharutils is not available..." "package sharutils has no installation candidate"
[10:40] <twisted_steel> blah09: yes - I assume other apps can play sound?
[10:40] <blah09> yep
[10:41] <thegnark> i tried searching for it in the gui toll and didn't find it and that's why i went for source
[10:41] <blah09> all other apps, using esd
[10:42] <blah09> at least i think theyre using esd
[10:42] <manobes> thegnark: file a bug report, sharutils should be availible.  It worked for me, are you on Warty?
[10:42] <twisted_steel> blah09: hmm, so this doesn't have sound? http://www.skype.com/community/movies/music/
[10:42] <thegnark> yeah
[10:43] <manobes> thegnark: odd, do you have universe enabled?
[10:43] <thegnark> manobes, pm breifly?
[10:43] <blah09> nope no sound
[10:43] <twisted_steel> blah09: :/
[10:44] <blah09> yeah =(
[10:44] <klaym> when I type 'd' while upgrade asks me what to do with a config file, how do I get out of the observation mode?
[10:44] <blah09> couldnt find anything on the forums either
[10:49] <klaym> I'm watching a config file in terminal (the line that I write on is indicated with ':') and I can only browse up and down the file. how do I get out?
[10:50] <twisted_steel> blah09: maybe this would help? http://thomer.com/howtos/sound_in_firefox.html
[10:50] <johns_> klaym: try :q!
[10:50] <twisted_steel> blah09: mine is set to auto and it works
[10:51] <twisted_steel> blah09: I imagine you wouldn't want to change it to arts, but perhaps none or esd would do the trick
[10:51] <klaym> johns_: that did it. thanks!!
[10:51] <raydogg> How can i test to see if i have two processors on a box ?
[10:51] <raydogg> other than /proc/cpuinfo
[10:52] <njan> dmesg |grep proc
[10:52] <raydogg> k
[10:52] <universal> can someone tell me a site were i can download themes?
[10:52] <njan> note: if it does hyperthreading, you'll see 2x however many you have.
[10:52] <njan> universal, art.gnome.org
[10:52] <universal> ok, thx
[10:52] <raydogg> ah, that is probably what it is then
[10:52] <njan> raydogg, :)
[10:52] <Nano_> hi folks, I'm having some troubles and I'm wondering if any of you could spend 1 minut of his time
[10:53] <njan> Nano_, just ask your question :)
[10:53] <blah09> lemme try that twisted_steel
[10:53] <Nano_> njan, I just installed hoary array 4 and to make work my wireless connection I need to compile some tiny module
[10:53] <Nano_> well, somehow it doesn't want to be compiled :S
[10:54] <johns_> klaym: welcom to the wonderfull world of vi
[10:54] <njan> Nano_, what sort of card do you have?
[10:54] <johns_> +e
[10:54] <Nano_> it's a Prism chipset
[10:54] <Nano_> however, in order to make it work I have to activate a led
[10:54] <Nano_> weird, but always worked this way
[10:55] <Nano_> now , I never had problems compiling this
[10:55] <Nano_> it's just 30 lines
[10:55] <Nano_> but now it doesn't want to work :S
[10:57] <chrisich> hello all, anyone up and around?
[10:57] <Nano_> I'm wondering if it would be possible for any of you to compile it for me
[10:57] <chrisich> I just have a quick questoin regarding a new install
[10:58] <AndyR> lo all
[10:58] <chrisich> lo Andy
[10:58] <Nano_> njan, still here?
[10:59] <blah09> doesnt seem to be working so far =(
[10:59] <njan> Nano_, yes, here
[10:59] <njan> Nano_, not sure what to tell you; I've never had to compile anything to use a prism card.
[10:59] <chrisich> Can anyone tell me how to reset the root password on a new install?
[10:59] <Nano_> njan, true, but this is this way, trust me
[11:00] <chrisich> I never got the option to set one, like I did in Fedora
[11:00] <Nano_> njan, what kernel do you run?
[11:00] <Nano_> 2.6.10?
[11:00] <twisted_steel> chrisich: there is no root password by default - you use sudo instead
[11:00] <drqk_> hmmmmmm anyone know how to get kernelimage with SMP support?
[11:00] <chrisich> Ah,
[11:00] <AndyR> what sort of prism do you have
[11:00] <AndyR> ?
[11:00] <Nano_> it's prism2
[11:01] <njan> Nano_, 2.6.10
[11:01] <AndyR> im have a wusb54g that works
[11:01] <chrisich> so if i go to do an install, I just need to use sudo instead of se
[11:01] <chrisich> su
[11:01] <dottedline> install question? system stalls at: Starting hotplug subsystem - How do I get past this stall?
[11:01] <Nano_> I know it should work, but this is the way this laptop works
[11:02] <AndyR> Nano_, warty or hoary?
[11:02] <Nano_> hoary
[11:02] <chrisich> thanx for the help!
[11:02] <Nano_> this is a small module that has to be loaded to enable a led
[11:02] <AndyR> using ndiswrapper?
[11:02] <twisted_steel> chrisich: sure :)
[11:02] <Nano_> only with the led turned on the wireless card listens
[11:03] <Nano_> weird, I know
[11:03] <Nano_> but I found other people saying the same
[11:03] <Nano_> and this is how I made it work till 1 hour ago, when I installed array 4
[11:04] <blah09> does array4 have debs?
[11:04] <twisted_steel> blah09: another possibility is enabling multiple sounds http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8882
[11:04] <blah09> as in, can you pin the cd to apt?
[11:04] <ssam> gasp, hoary crashed!
[11:04] <Nano_> so, I'm not sure if this would work, but if any of you could compile these 40 lines I'm pretty sure it might work
[11:04] <blah09> thanks twisted
[11:04] <blah09> ill try that
[11:04] <twisted_steel> blah09: yup; it looks like it did allow someone to use flash now
[11:04] <ssam> i unmounted a firewire drive from the context menu on the desktop
[11:04] <blah09> just out of curiousity what kind of a sound chip do you have?
[11:04] <Nano_> or help me to compile it
[11:05] <ssam> its happened to me with a usbstick as well
[11:05] <AndyR> my wusb54g works using the ndiswrapper and winxp driver fine
[11:05] <twisted_steel> blah09: I have an external usb soundcard - some texas instruments chip is on there
[11:06] <Nano_> this is the small thing:
[11:06] <Nano_> http://home.conceptsfa.nl/~revdmeer/md40100/acerhk-0.5.3-patched.tar.bz2
[11:06] <twisted_steel> blah09: but I just use the snd_usb_audio driver
[11:10] <blah09> brb reboot
[11:13] <kakalto> could someone please help me with getting the warty backport of wine working with GTA VC?
[11:13] <kakalto> I apt-get (got) it
[11:13] <kakalto> and ran wine
[11:14] <kakalto> wine <path?
[11:14] <kakalto> *<path>
[11:14] <kerignell> will 3.5 GB last forever for ubuntu? as systempartition..
[11:14] <blah09> hey twisted_steel
[11:15] <blah09> it worked =)
[11:15] <blah09> thanks a lot for your help
[11:15] <twisted_steel> blah09: excellent :D
[11:15] <Nano_> still the annoying Prism2 guy here... :(
[11:15] <Xappe> kakalto, hmm, wine does not do directx emulation I think, so i would go for cvscedega instead
[11:15] <Nano_> so, anyone willing to help me on this?
[11:16] <Arago> i have a trouble with gnome menu: i can't add new launcher with nautilus nor contestual menu . Ideas ?
[11:16] <Xappe> you're running Hoary?
[11:16] <bascule> netsplit?
[11:17] <FAST> is it easy to install xfce to play around with? and then be able to switch back to gnome when i wish
[11:17] <Nex6> anyone know of a logoff screen saver, or know what the command is to log off gnome?
[11:18] <blah09> FAST yes it is
[11:18] <blah09> and it doesnt install on top of gnome
[11:18] <blah09> you have both
[11:18] <blah09> theres an installer for xfce
[11:18] <afonit> Nex6  cntrl + alt + backspace
[11:18] <FAST> how do you go about setting which one youd like to use
[11:19] <bascule> gdm session will let you pick
[11:19] <bascule> the main log-in screen doewn the bottom there is a session menu
[11:19] <Nex6> afonit , i knew that, i need to script it.... so i can have it in a screen saver
[11:19] <Nex6> and run after 15 minutes of non use
[11:20] <FAST> ah ok
[11:20] <bascule> Nex6: on gdm?
[11:20] <bascule> or a standard desktop?
[11:20] <FAST> is it best to install xfce from synaptic ?
[11:20] <afonit> oh, sorry bout that
[11:20] <bascule> FAST: almost obviouslt, yes ;)
[11:20] <kakalto> Xappe, thanks, but... CVSCedega, any guides or something for installing
[11:20] <kakalto> ?
[11:20] <Nex6> bascule yes a standard ubuntu warty install
[11:21] <Nex6> except i have it set to auto login
[11:21] <bascule> Nex6: no where/when do you want this screensaver, is a scrennsaver al you want, a screen lock, auto logoff I'm confused
[11:21] <Xappe> kakalto: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?page=1&articleid=45
[11:22] <bascule> Nex6: you don't want auto login any more?
[11:22] <Nex6> i already have the auto login working,
[11:22] <bascule> Nex6: you don't want auto login any more?
[11:22] <Nex6> but, after 15 minutes:
[11:22] <bascule> ?????
[11:22] <Nex6> i want to to log off, and then log back in again
[11:23] <Nex6> sort of a recycle
[11:23] <bascule> no idea, good luck ...
[11:23] <Nex6> that will keep the machine clean and X from ever freakin out
[11:23] <bascule> will it?
[11:23] <FuglyRat> hi hi, i just installed blackbox 0.7rc but now gnome apps have weird fontsizes. is there something i need to load so it uses the right font setup?
[11:24] <Nex6> bas will it what?
[11:25] <dottedline> install question? system stalls at: Starting hotplug subsystem - How do I get past this stall?
[11:25] <bascule> keep the machine clean and X from freakin out
[11:26] <Nano_> it fu$&/&&$ing worked!
[11:26] <Nano_> I wasn't so happy since my soccer team won the league!
[11:26] <Nex6> bascule , i noticed. when X stays dormat for long periods its un predictable by forcing a recycle
[11:27] <Nex6> it should behave better
[11:27] <tezza> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //192.168.0.1/pro,
[11:27] <tezza>        or too many mounted file systems
[11:27] <bluefoxicy> GAH!
[11:27] <bluefoxicy> I tried firestarter
[11:27] <tezza> i get this when trying to mount a smb share over the network?
[11:27] <bluefoxicy> it broke my irc dcc
[11:27] <bluefoxicy> I can't get it back now
[11:27] <bluefoxicy> even iptables -F doesn't cleari t out
[11:27] <bluefoxicy> the conntrack modules are loaded and all
[11:28] <bluefoxicy> pretty software, but horribly breaks things.
[11:29] <Arago> i have a trouble with gnome menu: i can't add new launcher with nautilus nor contestual menu . Ideas ?
[11:30] <tremor> anyone with a good suggestion for a wireless card with native linux support (no ndis wrappers) ?
[11:31] <mz2> tremor, some of the Belkin cards are supported
[11:31] <mz2> well
[11:32] <FAST> can you run 2 different sessions with the same account at the same time? so i can try xfce in one terminal
[11:32] <tezza> how can i chance the power mangement stuff that ubuntu is using? at the moment it is running at 600MHz on my P M 1700MHz laptop with AC power plugged in, can i make it dynamically change only when it is on battery power?
[11:32] <Nano_> njan, thanks for your answering before, I managed to solve it. Thanks
[11:32] <tezza> s/chance/change/
[11:32] <FuglyRat> why does ubuntuforums.org use fedora core?
[11:32] <mz2> although you'll have to be really accurate with what you're buying, because some of their cards aren't (the chips they use vary a lot)...
[11:32] <FuglyRat> shame on them
[11:33] <Newbi3> hello i'm trying to install java on my pc
[11:33] <bascule> FAST: from another vterminal try 'gdm -- :1'
[11:33] <tremor> k, thx mz2, i'll look for some more information
[11:33] <Newbi3> and it's not happening
[11:33] <bascule> or xinit -- :1
[11:34] <Newbi3> mv: cannot stat `jre1.5.0_01/': No such file or directory
[11:34] <Newbi3> what's that all about?
[11:34] <bascule> got the filename right?
[11:35] <mz2> tremor, the belkin cards that use atmel chips are compatible, to be more precise
[11:36] <Newbi3> anyone with java installed?
[11:36] <Newbi3> that can give me some pointers
[11:36] <bascule> what exactly is wrong?
[11:36] <mameluke> Newbi3, sry.. its time for bed ;)
[11:36] <Newbi3> mv: cannot stat `jre1.5.0_01/': No such file or directory
[11:36] <bascule> yeah, that's not much though
[11:36] <bascule> mv whatever.jhtyrhdjdfjsd78834
[11:37] <bascule> cannot stat file or directory ..
[11:37] <bascule> ;)
[11:37] <Newbi3> i'm following the steps on ubuntu unofficial guite
[11:37] <bascule> got the filename right?
[11:37] <Newbi3> yeah
[11:37] <Newbi3> checked
[11:37] <mz2> is dist-upgrade going to work backwards too?
[11:37] <bascule> try using a file manager insted of CLI
[11:38] <mameluke> mz2, u can choose tho old kernels in grub
[11:38] <mameluke> the
[11:38] <Newbi3> i don't know how to do it using a file manager
[11:38] <mz2> no, i mean, suppose i do an apt-get dist-upgrade to hoary, and then want back to warty by just putting back my old repositories. is that going to work, or is it just daft?
[11:39] <mameluke> afaik... n8
[11:39] <bascule> Newbi3: when I asked if you had the file name right, not in accordance with the guide but the file *you* have
[11:39] <Newbi3> i checked
[11:40] <Newbi3> and they both are the same name
[11:40] <Newbi3> and i did download the version that they had on their website
[11:41] <bascule> ls -l /path/to/<that_file>
[11:41] <rigodon> hola
[11:41] <Newbi3> hummm...that seems like a code to me ...
[11:42] <Newbi3> bascule, could you say that in english
[11:42] <Newbi3> i need to ls to see if the directory is there?
[11:43] <FAST> well now my session log in screen is fux0erd
[11:43] <FAST> booting ubuntu starts at the terminal, not at the gui login screen now.... sigh
[11:43] <FAST> and that     'gdm -- :1'  thing didn't do anything when i tried
[11:44] <FAST> how do i go about making ubuntu boot to the login/session screen
[11:44] <LinuxJones> FAST, X isn't working ?
[11:44] <FAST> what is the command to get back into the gui when you're at the terminal
[11:45] <Hymie> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.arts.wobegon/msg/5a460541df793f1a?dmode=source
[11:45] <LinuxJones> FAST, startx
[11:45] <niptac> is there somewhere a precompiled package of phpMyAdmin 2.6.1 for ubuntu?
[11:45] <FAST> LinuxJones, i tried that, but it said the screen was already running
[11:45] <FAST> and it would leave me at the terminal
[11:46] <LinuxJones> niptac, that's in universe repo
[11:46] <bascule> <-- super lagged out connection
[11:46] <chillywilly> *thwap*
[11:46] <FAST> maybe its cause i installed the xfce packages that its all screwed up now
[11:46] <LinuxJones> FAST, ctrl +alt+ F7
[11:46] <FAST> that works
[11:47] <niptac> in universe it is 1:2.5.7_1 version andd not the latest 2.6.1
[11:48] <LinuxJones> niptac, sorry I missed that part
[11:48] <inc> anybody good with setting up hardware?
[11:48] <FAST> how do i fix the bootup login screen business?  when i boot the computer, it goes to the terminal. then when i startx, it starts automatically starting the gui. there is no background image until my backgruond shows. and there is an "X" pointer until its done loading
[11:48] <CarlK> I have 7 old printers in a stack
[11:48] <niptac> anyway is anyone using phpMyAdmin? is it easy to use for a beginner?
[11:49] <Joe2> Hiya I got a toshiba tecra 8100 laptop, will ubuntu install and work properly on this?
[11:49] <bascule> inc: what sort of hardware , wht do you mean seting up?
[11:49] <LinuxJones> FAST, /etc/init.d/gdm start
[11:49] <FAST> Joe2, try a live cd?
[11:50] <inc> bascule: sound card on a laptop
[11:50] <CarlK> Joe2 - I have it on a toshiba 2800, runs good
[11:50] <Joe2> :)
[11:50] <CarlK> Joe2 - batter level works, wifi works, sound works
[11:51] <FAST> LinuxJones, so i should get the login gui screen after i run '/etc/init.d/gdm start' ?
[11:51] <KevMan> Joe2: does on my tecra 8000, except sound
[11:51] <CarlK> Joe2 http://linux.toshiba-dme.co.jp/linux/
[11:51] <FAST> when i boot up
[11:51] <LinuxJones> FAST, have you re-booted and it has not come up ?
[11:51] <FAST> yes, it stays at the console
[11:51] <KevMan> Joe2: but haven't really attempted to rectify that yet.
[11:52] <LinuxJones> FAST, update-rc.d gdm defaults
[11:52] <FAST>  System startup links for /etc/init.d/gdm already exist.
[11:52] <LinuxJones> FAST, it should say that it added a few links
[11:52] <LinuxJones> FAST, umm
[11:52] <FAST> let me restart
[11:52] <LinuxJones> FAST, what were you messing about with ?
[11:52] <FAST> ill see what happens
[11:52] <inc> any ideas?
[11:52] <FAST> i just installed xfce packages
[11:53] <FAST> nothing else
[11:53] <FAST> brb
[11:53] <LinuxJones> FAST, k
[11:53] <bascule> inc run alsamixer
[11:53] <inc> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[11:54] <bascule> looks like an unsuporrted card, try aumix
[11:54] <GuBA> hello i have a problem with courier-pop
[11:55] <inc> bascule: i got this in dmesg CS4231 soundcard not found or device busy
[11:55] <GuBA> Starting Courier POP3 server:bind: Address already in use
[11:55] <GuBA>  ll_daemon_start: Resource temporarily unavailable
[11:55] <bascule> inc lsmod | grep snd
[11:56] <wm_eddie> wait, does toshiba officially support Linux?
[11:56] <CarlK> kinda
[11:56] <bascule> <-- fatal easytag accident all Orbital tunes are called Funny Break :'(
[11:56] <CarlK> pretty cook, eh?
[11:56] <bascule> ARRRRGH
[11:57] <wm_eddie> CarlK: Do you know if they sell Laptops with linux installed?
[11:57] <CarlK> I don't think so
[11:57] <inc> bascule: youin #flood?
[11:58] <bascule> will be 10 secs
[11:58] <CarlK> wm_eddie - from what I read, toshiba realized they would have more equipment in use if they helped the linux crowd
[11:59] <GuBA> i need help ...
[11:59] <wm_eddie> Woah? do they have a laptop with raid?
[11:59] <CarlK> but I don't see them spending too much money on R&D or giveing you your money back if you can't get Linux working
[11:59] <randabis> that'd be scary
[12:00] <randabis> compiling openoffice.org is gonna take an eternity