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restrexon /etc/fonts/local.conf12:03
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lamontsivang: my internet connection is through a linux box12:12
lamontrouting is rock solid12:12
lamontthen again, I roll my own scripts...12:13
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sivanglamont: I have my routing and internet connection through a p100 56M 800MB 52MB machine, but insie the lan I am using one machine to bridge the network for two others12:15
sivanglamont: and right, routing is rock solid :)12:18
Kamionmdz: ramdisk_size bumped12:21
mdzKamion: thanks12:21
Kamionmantiena: yeah, parted has some rickety packaging in places, I should probably fix that12:22
Kamionmantiena: I've fixed the os-prober thing in my local tree12:22
Kamionthanks12:22
marcin_antrestrex: hmmmm12:23
marcin_antrestrex: interesting12:23
marcin_antrestrex: and what exactly is the difference?12:24
restrex!12:25
restrexthe hint of the fonts12:25
restrex;)12:25
restrexhttp://restrex.dotgeek.org/hoary.png  http://www.freepgs.com/juan-pablo/ubuntu.png here's the difference12:25
restrex:P12:25
marcin_antrestrex: I need to try...12:25
restrexok12:25
restrextry12:25
restrexuncomment 12:25
restrexon /etc/fonts/local.conf12:25
restrex:P12:26
marcin_antrestrex: and what next?12:26
marcin_antrestrex: I know where12:26
restrexrestrex I have to enable that <match target="font">12:26
restrexrestrex    <edit name="autohint" mode="assign">12:26
restrexrestrex      <bool>true</bool>12:26
restrexrestrex    </edit>12:26
restrexrestrex  </match>12:26
restrexrestrex <fontconfig> 12:26
marcin_antrestrex: I had to edit this file to enable bitmap fonts yesterday12:26
restrexuncomment that12:26
marcin_antrestrex: yest12:26
restrexok12:26
mantienaKamion, thanks12:26
marcin_antrestrex: and what next?12:26
restrexwell that worked to me12:26
marcin_antrestrex: restart session or something?12:26
restrexexcatly12:27
restrex:P12:27
restrexexactly12:27
mantienaKamion, as I understand I shouldn't report a bug against parted-udeb about dependancy on libparted, you already know this ?12:28
Kamionmantiena: well I haven't fixed it yet, so feel free to report :)12:30
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mantienaKamion, hehe, maybe better fix it, it's not hard ;)12:31
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Kamionmantiena: re #669 it really needs to be hooked into the way partman-target already creates /etc/fstab, so I'm not sure something totally generic to both install and live is immediately possible12:31
Kamionmantiena: I'm afraid that I have a number of other things to do tonight :P12:31
mantienaKamion, about 669 - I think it would be not hard to write separate script, which adds more entries to fstab12:32
mantienathis udeb could be used on both - install and live CD's12:33
Kamionperhaps; I haven't yet looked. I recommend looking at partman-target if you have not done so already12:33
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marcin_antrestrex: sorry I cannot see any difference12:42
restrexoops12:42
restrexI friend could see the difference12:43
restrex:)12:43
marcin_antrestrex: hmm or mayve12:43
marcin_ants/mayve/maybe12:43
marcin_anta little12:43
restrexyeah12:43
restrex:)12:43
restrexI think that rocks12:44
marcin_antfonts are bigger and little sharper12:44
restrexI like it a lot12:44
restrex:P12:44
restrexyes12:44
marcin_antbut I cannot tell if they are really better12:44
marcin_antI think that it can depend on what font you use12:44
restrexoh that's is your opinioon12:44
restrex:)12:44
marcin_antyou know12:49
marcin_antthey are really better with12:49
marcin_ant"slight"12:49
marcin_anthinting (in "Font rendering details")12:50
restrexjeje12:51
restrexI'll try too12:51
restrex:P12:52
T-Boneyummy, booted ubuntu with a ppc64 kernel ;)01:04
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mdzT-Bone: mmm, nice01:32
T-Bonemdz: actually it happened by mistake: I booted my gentoo kernel with the ubuntu rootfs ;)01:32
T-Bonenoted a couple of ioctl errors (not that surprising: some missing clue for 32bit calls i guess) but it booted fine anyway01:33
T-Bones/clue/glue/01:33
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bluefoxicyuh01:40
bluefoxicyok01:40
bluefoxicysomebody tell me what's going on with my cd rom drive.01:40
bluefoxicythere's nothing in my cd rom drive, i ahve one cd drive01:40
bluefoxicyBUT 01:40
bluefoxicyI can mount it01:40
bluefoxicyit has files on it01:40
bluefoxicyoh!01:40
bluefoxicyholy crap I"m shelled into another machine somewhere, no wonder01:40
tsengbluefoxicy: knock it off.01:43
bluefoxicytseng:  you're just jelous 'cause I sound like a rock star01:47
tsengor just tired of the low signal/noise ratio01:47
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tsengthe devs like to keep this channel low traffic, high signal/noise01:48
tsengso if you could think out loud somewhere else, im sure everyone would appreciate it.01:49
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jbaileyjdub: http://bugzilla.ximian.com/showattachment.cgi?attach_id=13548 might be a solution for Ubuntu BZ#275201:55
jbaileyjdub: And 2725 can be closed. =)01:55
jbaileyjdub: I'm looking at doing an evo-exchange upload, mind fi I just deal with these?01:56
jdubplease do01:57
jdubthere's no BML here ;)01:57
jbaileyBML?01:57
jdubjbailey: big maintainer lock ;)02:03
jbailey*lol*02:04
jbaileyjdub: True, but since it's actually assigned to you, I figure it'd polite to mention before I steal them.02:04
jdubSTEAL MY BUGS02:04
jbaileyYou'll have to flog me for it later. =)02:05
jdubUDU dude02:05
jdubbeers and flogging02:05
jbaileySweet.02:05
jbaileyMaybe it's best that my wife couldn't make it. =)02:05
jdubheh02:06
jdubi don't have a wife now, but i will then ;)02:06
jbaileyI remember that.  I met your lady in Brazil.02:06
jduboh cool, didn't know you were there02:06
jbaileyShe asked me strange questions like whether I would be more likely to come to some conference if it were in .nz instead of australia.02:06
jduband now you're working for SSDS ;)02:06
jduboh02:07
jdubyou know why?02:07
jdublinux.conf.au 2006 is going to be in New Zealand - announced only last week :)02:07
jbaileyYeah, life works in strange ways. =)02:07
jbaileyOh lovely. =)02:07
tsengjbailey: did she mention anything about loving pants?02:07
jbaileytseng: Errr....02:08
jdubdear elmo,02:08
jdubdear elmo, please install xplanet on rookery, kthxbye. love, jdub.02:08
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jdubi've just used gnome as a guinea pig for a fun feature for ubuntu02:09
jdubhttp://live.gnome.org/GnomeWorldWide02:09
jbaileyI have an urge to do some ugly hack of hideous proportions.02:09
jbaileyIt's the Hurd hacker in me trying to get out. =)02:09
jdubof course, it's easier with gnome's wiki02:09
jdubfie zwiki, fie!02:09
jbaileyGAH, why is firefox a higher priority for x-www-browser than ephy?02:10
jbaileyThe default installed browser should never be a higher priority than anything else.02:10
jdubhaha02:10
jdubyou will comply!02:10
jdubthat's a good bug to fix though02:10
jbaileyHmm, I guess I vaguely qualigy as a GnomeWorldWide person, I guess.02:11
jdubyeah, add yourself to the russian wastelands02:12
jduboh02:12
jdubother wastelands02:12
jbaileyNo.  I'm just outside of the US. =)02:12
jdubthe pseudo french ones02:12
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ajmitch_hey jeff & jeff :)02:18
ajmitch_jbailey: I hope you will come to lca200602:18
matt__Anybody know who did the new xscreensaver 'unlock' dialog?02:18
jbaileyajmitch_: I think it's as unliekly as me going to FOSDEM ever.02:18
jbaileyajmitch_: It's just way too long of a trip for a short period of time.02:18
jdubmatt__: ogra02:18
ajmitch_jbailey: hmm, you've got 11 months to save :)02:18
matt__I like it :-)02:18
jdubit's rad02:18
jdubnow it doesn't skewer out my eyeball and roast it on the fires of hell02:19
jdubwhich was tiring02:19
jduband gave me a headache02:19
matt__yeah, the old one was fugly as hel02:19
matt__it's the little things that count02:20
jbaileyajmitch_: Save?02:20
jbaileyajmitch_: Oh, it's not the money.  It's that I don't like travelling that much (despite the fact that I do alot of it)02:20
jdubyou are pudding!02:21
jbaileyOoo, the new unlock box is nice.02:26
jbaileyI should roll up my sleeves and hack it to do Xinerama.02:27
jbaileyPerhaps I'll be lazy instead.02:27
jdubyeah, probably not worth it02:28
jdubwe'll most likely have a proper gnomey one next time around02:28
ajmitch_I can appreciate xinerama now that I have a 2nd monitor, although my hoary X display is just in an Xnest02:30
jbaileyajmitch_: I suck for work without xinerama.02:31
jbaileyI usually have both monitors full and my laptop with a screen going.02:31
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jbaileyajmitch: You looking for tasks?02:34
ajmitchjbailey: maybe.. :)02:34
jbaileyajmitch: I had a vague thought that C# bindings for a translator might be cool.02:34
ajmitchyeah02:34
mdzjbailey: the new unlock box is nice except for the MovieOS "APPROVED"02:34
ajmitchwhat sort of translator?02:34
mdzACCESS GRANTED CLEARED LEVEL ONE02:34
ajmitchmdz: flashing green?02:35
jbaileymdz: True.  But the graphics are now actually better than I can produce.  The previous ones, I'm less sure.02:35
jbaileyajmitch: I was thinking just the ability for an app to land on a translator and provide status information.02:35
jbaileyajmitch: Even something simple like a libapache2-mod-status02:36
jbaileyajmitch: Go through and collect stats information on web server internals in a /proc or /sys like setup02:36
jbaileyajmitch: There's no rason to do that in anything as low level as C or C++.02:36
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ajmitchhurd?02:37
jbaileyajmitch: Do translators run anywhere else?02:37
ajmitchno, but I thought you might have been suggesting something ubuntu-related :)02:38
jbaileyAh, no. =)02:38
jbaileyI'm still too new with Ubuntu to have a long list of tasks that I want to do but will never get to. =)02:38
jbaileyGimme another 4 months.  Hanging out with people at UBU should probably do it. =)02:39
ajmitchheh02:39
ajmitchI'm still hopeful of getting there02:39
jbaileyCool.  It would be lovely to meet you finally. =)02:39
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ajmitchyeah, I'm just not sure about LCA still02:40
jbaileyYeah, I'm not going to that.02:40
ajmitchdunedin->sydney isn't too expensive :)02:40
ajmitchI'd better install hoary on my laptop by then though02:42
Mithrandirhi Jeff, ajmitch 02:42
ajmitchhi Mithrandir 02:42
Mithrandirajmitch: what's your real name?02:42
jbaileyHeya Tollef.02:42
ajmitchandrew mitchell02:42
Mithrandirajmitch: ah, ok.  I wasn't sure and instead of making a fool of myself guessing wrong, I went for the IRC nick. ;)  I just like knowing people's real names.02:43
ajmitchplus tab-completion is easier :)02:43
Mithrandirthat's true02:46
MithrandirI also like to have a face to connect with the IRC nick, tho02:46
ajmitchgoing to UDU?02:46
Mithrandiryes02:47
Mithrandirpossibly also LCA; I just need to decide first.02:47
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jdubhrm03:15
jdubthe volkswagen song03:15
jdubs/da da da/ubuntu/03:15
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dholbachre03:24
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zulhey04:16
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mdzwhat's the right build-depends expression for something which in Ubuntu build-depends on libxinerama-dev, but should also build on Debian?04:37
jdubxlibs-dev | libxinerama-dev04:39
jdubprobably better the other way around04:39
mdzthanks04:41
mdzthough04:42
mdzxlibs-dev doesn't depend on libxinerama-dev04:42
jdubbummer04:42
jdubperhaps libxinerama is separate anyway04:42
mdzno libxinerama-dev in Debian04:43
bluefoxicymdz:  when you're free can we discuss something from ubuntu-devel@?04:43
mdzbluefoxicy: if it's the live CD installer thing, not tonight04:44
bluefoxicymdz:  alright.  I'm gonna leave a reply anyway though on the list, but another day.04:44
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mdzelmo: not sleepy?04:47
elmomdz: hmm.  i was.  but I got distracted by my dead computer04:48
elmo"auto restart after AC power loss" == love04:48
mdzdefaults of "power off after AC power loss" == death04:49
mdzI have a machine here which defaults to power-off, and the option isn't visible in setup unless you install a h4x0red BIOS04:50
elmoyeah - I'm imaging how screwed I would have been had this happened when I was in .es or even .au04:50
elmomdz: eww04:50
danielsmdz: libxinerama-dev | xlibs-static-dev04:52
bob2mutt gets kinda slow with 40 000 messages in one folder04:53
mdzdaniels: | xlibs-static-dev (<< 6.8.1-1) is what I decided on04:53
mdzbecause current xlibs-static-dev doesn't seem to include the same stuff as old xlibs-static-dev04:54
jdubbob2: header caching!04:54
mdzjdub: mbox!04:54
mdz(doesn't header caching only work with maildir?)04:54
jduband imap04:55
bob2haha, I have headercache with maildir04:55
bob2so it opens pretty quick04:55
mdz40k messages in one folder is insane anyway04:55
mdzunless it's all spam04:55
jdubit is insane04:55
bob2but if you modify it while it's open, mutt spends > 20minutes restating it04:55
jdubwe're going to have to see your doctor again, bob2 04:55
danielsmdz: ah, yeah.  phat.04:55
bob2mdz: forget to reenable my archivemail cronjob04:55
jdubDOKTOR FEEL GUT04:55
jdubyeah, that sucks in my sent folder04:56
jdub"forward this mail i sent to someone else"04:56
jdub...04:56
jdub..04:56
jdub..04:56
jdubbong04:56
bob2hahaha, yeah04:56
bob2I should rotate my sent folder weekly or something04:56
helixis there anything to filter outgoing mail?04:57
mdzmutt send-hooks04:58
helixI knew that04:58
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jdubmutt has send-hooks, which are kinda like that, or you could send all your outgoing mail through procmail ;)04:58
helixit's actually quite silly that I asked considering I *have* send-hooks in my .muttrc04:58
helixanyway, the hole.04:59
mdzjdub: even I am not that extreme about procmail04:59
mdzhelix: no, come back!04:59
helixanything for mdz04:59
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jdubhelix: send hooks are there so you don't even have to think about them04:59
helixjdub should belly dance05:00
helixjdub: true. I think I stole mine from your .muttrc05:00
jdubheh05:00
jdubman05:00
jdubi should so update that05:00
mdzI should publish my dotfiles05:00
helixI changed the email addresses05:00
zulhelix: no nightmares tonight thansk05:00
bob2jaq's is pimper05:00
helixmdz: you SHOULD05:00
jdubbob2: only because he updates it05:00
helixmdz: especially your zsh stuff05:00
mdzthey frighten people :-(05:00
bob2thom's zshrc is pretty impressive05:00
danielsi like my zshrc05:01
mdzmy zsh is not as scary as my procmail05:01
helixmy procmail is totally basic05:01
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danielshelix: you don't want to see jdub bellydancing05:01
danielsmdz: CRACK05:01
helixdaniels: why not?05:01
jdubeven pipka is using procmail now05:01
helixmdz: sicko05:01
mdzmizar:[~]  cat .procmailrc* |wc -l05:01
mdz305905:01
zulholy crap05:02
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jdubmdz: that means you're crap at procmail ;)05:02
zulpopular guy arent you mdz05:02
mdzjdub: it might seem that way to the uninitiated05:02
mdzjdub: but in fact this is not the case05:02
mdzI apply different keyword filters to different mailing lists05:02
helixmine is a whopping 29205:02
helixI wonder what kind of crack mdz is on05:02
mdzand I generate the whole mess with m405:02
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jdubah, if it's generated, that's reasonable05:03
zulhelix: mine is 8205:03
helixugh, but he willfully uses m405:03
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jdubi have never used m4 willfully05:03
jdubi've used it with incredulity a couple of times05:04
mdzI really want something better than procmail05:04
jdubsomething that groks list headers already05:04
mdzsometimes I am >< this close to using gnus05:04
mdzbut then I try it05:04
bob2the clarity of m4 with the simple syntax of procmail05:04
jdubmdz: tried wanderlust?05:05
bob2you really have the best of both worlds, mdz 05:05
jdubmdz: gus raves.05:05
mdzjdub: no, I haven't05:05
danielsmdz: WITH M4?!?05:05
mdzbob2: so how are you enjoying being part of the arch team?05:05
helix:( no wanderlust in debian05:05
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bob2rofl05:05
bob2mdz: you're evil05:06
helixI have a daniels quote about m405:06
bob2helix: wl.05:06
helixbut it's durty05:06
jdubhelix: wl05:06
bob2jdub: too slow.05:06
helixwl?05:06
jdubwander05:06
jdublust05:06
jdubwl05:06
jdub:-)05:06
helixI knew that05:06
mdzhelix: daniels is a potty mouth05:06
jdubyou were just testing us05:07
helixhe is05:07
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ajmitchhi jeff05:08
helixI want to see if I can prove something05:09
helixjbailey: do you like m4?05:09
mdzI never said I _liked_ m405:09
jbaileyHeya Andrew05:09
helixmdz: hush05:09
jbaileyhelix: Errr..   It's good for some things.05:09
mdzbut it was not an unreasonable tool for this job05:09
jbaileyhelix: I'd rather maintain my sendmail config with m4 than by hand.05:09
zulhey jbailey 05:09
jbaileyhelix: I think that a less sucky tool could've been chosen for autoconf.05:09
helixsee, only crazy people like it05:10
bob2if you have a sendmail config to maintain at all, YHL, HAND.05:10
ajmitchselinux policies use m4 :)05:10
helixwhen mdz outcrazies a hurd hacker...05:10
mdzhelix: you were going to use his answer in support of your position regardless of its content :-)05:10
mdzI'm onto you05:10
helixmaybe! I should be a lawyer05:10
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jbaileymdz: The fact that I prefer sendmail also seems to make me as less crazy.  Go figure =)05:10
mdzsendmail is teh sux05:10
ajmitchbbl05:11
mdzI have broken almost all of my hysterical raisin habits05:11
mdzm4 is the last bastion I think05:11
helixyou had raisin habits?05:11
jdubjbailey: you prefer sendmail?05:11
jbaileyjdub: Yeah.05:12
jbaileyjdub: Although postfix seems to be nice for a small system.05:12
helix"why did we hire this guy?!"05:12
bob2haha05:12
jbaileyjdub: exim4's config make sendmail's look simple.05:12
bob2I'm pretty sure there's a clause about this sort of thing...05:12
jdubjbailey: exim is wank05:12
helixjdub likes ezmlm05:13
jdubpostfix is great for huge systems05:13
jbaileyjdub: I don't know the slang.  Is that 'wank' like, don't do this in public, or 'wank' like it feels good?05:13
jdubdon't give postfix that pat-on-head little-boy business!05:13
jdubjbailey: wank like wanker05:13
jbaileyIt didn't look possible to configure rewrite rules that get triggered when certain headers are set in an email.05:14
jbaileySadly, something the two main systems I used to work on need.05:14
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jdubtables, not mini languages :-)05:14
jbaileyLovely, until you're running a multi-thousand domain hub. =)05:14
jdubi've never needed a mini language in my big installations05:15
mdzGood evening folks, and welcome to #ubuntu-devel Weekend Edition05:16
mdzthis week, MAIL05:16
jbaileyOne thing I did like with postfix is that it was far easier than sendmail to have multiple alias files.05:16
jdubalways felt like murky bad hack poo to me05:16
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bob2this is like the SMH/Sun Herald difference?05:17
helixthat topic is funny looking05:17
jdubbob2: i hope so!05:17
jdubi mean05:18
bob2haha05:18
jdubi don't know what you mean05:18
bob2jdub: you may have noticed subtle difference between the two newspapers05:18
jbaileyAnd thinking of obscure nastiness, get it while it's hot people.  Grub2 for ppc compiled as a .deb: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/grub2/05:18
jdubboobies05:19
helixwhere is grub for sparc?05:19
jdubjbailey: is grub cool?05:19
jdubgrub205:19
jdublike, this one's actually cross-platform?05:19
jbaileyhelix: The openfirmware stuff is working well enough for PPC, so the ugliest of the porting is done.05:19
mdzgrand-er and unified-er?05:19
helixwoo!05:19
helixsilo-b-gone05:19
jbaileyProbably have some 64bit suckage to dealwith on ultrasparcs.05:19
helixfoo, that's what I have05:20
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jbaileyjdub: Yeah, they've done a passable job of keeping bits separate.  They have a module based system, and you just link in the modules that you want (filesystems, etc).  I haven't inflicted it on my PC yet, but I've been using it on my PPC for about 2 weeks.05:20
jbaileyI got the menu running about 20 minutes ago.05:20
jdubnice05:22
jdublet's ship it with hoary05:22
jdubWELCOME TO WEEKEND EDITION!05:22
jbaileyjdub: It's already in universe.05:22
jdubwhere the laughter is non-stop!05:22
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jdubso bill maher is not on tv anymore?05:24
jduboh05:25
jdubdown season05:25
mdzyeah05:25
mdzmythtv is ready to pounce when he comes back05:26
jdub:)05:30
jdubi was hoping to subscribe to new rules rss05:30
jdubbut there doesn't appear to be a feed05:30
helixmmm, feeds05:31
helixsyndication is yummy05:31
jbaileyYay!  Angie has arrived safely in Cuba.05:37
jbaileyWhups, ECHAN.05:37
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helixjbailey: yay anyway :)05:37
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jbaileyhelix: =)05:37
jdubmdz: is mythtv shippable?05:44
jdubhrm, n/m05:45
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jdubseriously06:51
jdubif we let ogra loose on all the shitty little embarrassing ui bits06:52
jdubwe're going to have MovieOS in *no* time06:52
ironwolfMovieOS bad.07:13
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bob2no way07:23
bob2I've always wanted a 3-d file manager on IRIX.07:23
Treenaksbob2: that's SO Jurassic Park 07:27
bob2this is unix, I KNOW THIS.07:27
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Treenaksg'night lamont 07:32
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thullyHi - I'm not going to have much time to respond/follow up on my bugs in bugzilla for a few months - what should I do?07:41
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YokoZarWould it be wrong to associate Wine with all of the MIME types here: http://filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=EXE09:03
YokoZarIn particular I'm concerned about "application/octet-stream" - are there thing that use that mime type that aren't windows executables?09:03
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bob2yes09:04
bob2you can't associate that with wine09:04
rubenvYokoZar: octet-stream is used pretty commonly for sort of unknown binary files09:04
rubenve.g. CHM files09:05
YokoZarOk, but what about the rest of them?09:05
YokoZarapplication/x-msdownload, application/exe, application/x-exe, application/dos-exe, vms/exe, application/x-winexe, application/msdos-windows, application/x-msdos-program, application/x-zip-compressed seem to be good, yes?09:05
rubenvdo those mime types even appear on linux?09:06
bob2I don't know that trying to run stuff in wine automatically is a great idea09:06
YokoZar(x-zip-compressed is for self extracting things)09:06
YokoZarWhen opened by double-clicking?  Why not?09:07
bob2a) it may not work, b) how often is that actually useful?09:07
ajmitchsome of those may be associated with mono as well09:07
YokoZarHmm...09:07
YokoZarMono is a problem...09:08
rubenvmost wine things provide wrappers (as mono does)09:08
bob2do people really want to run random windows crap by double-clicking?09:08
rubenvbob2: or worse, unsuspectingly from their emails09:08
ajmitchI think mono may pass things over to wine if it's not an IL executable09:08
YokoZarYes, actually.  I got a few letters from users kind of impressed about how they could download and run an exe and double click it and go, heh.09:08
bob2I'd hope evolution/etc are smart about that.09:09
ajmitchI thought wine used to use binfmt-support?09:09
YokoZarYeah Wine does that too.  09:09
YokoZarI'm mostly interested in what happens when I click one on Firefox09:09
YokoZarThe "open with wine (default)" thing should happen09:10
bob2that seems horribly dangerous09:10
YokoZarOr, rather, be given as an option (with save to disk being the other)09:10
YokoZarWell the alternative is to require the user to save to disk, open up a terminal, navigate to the exe, and do "wine program.exe"09:11
bob2yeah09:11
YokoZarSince oftentimes the executable bit isn't set on the file (hence you can't make much use of binfmt)09:11
bob2I'm still amazed people are really running random windows programs on ubuntu09:11
YokoZarWine's getting mighty good.  A user told me about being able to just click and download the party poker installer, double click it, and have it put an icon right on his desktop after installing.09:12
=== rubenv certainly doesn't want that in main :-)
YokoZarWhat's the "vms/exe" mime type?  I've never seen it prefaced by vms (usually application)09:13
YokoZarrubenv: Why not?  When Wine gets good enough to run stuff, of course ;)09:14
rubenvYokoZar: because wine brings in bad ideas, by basically stufing random executables in home dirs etc09:15
rubenvwell, it's not wine's fault, it's the whole bad windows logic09:15
YokoZarWell, to be fair, you can always restart by nuking ~/.wine09:17
YokoZarI would like to eventually see wine in main though, if for no other reason than it will allow us to port open source windows programs with winelib and make them into packages as well09:17
rubenvstill gives me the creeps :-)09:17
YokoZarWine will never get into main until we can make it secure, heh.  Then again day we start seeing winelib viruses rather than microsoft ones will be the day Linux has secured world domination09:19
bob2are there any useful FS windows programs that don't have ports already?09:22
bob2aside from maybe virtualdub09:22
rubenvyeah, I see more light in just building alternatives09:22
rubenvthen running slow wine progs09:22
YokoZarYeah, eMule09:26
YokoZarThings like that09:26
YokoZarLots of OSS is developed on Windows (DC++ comes to mind as well).  Miranda Instant Messenger is another popular one (which we have gaim, of course, but it would be a cool universe package)09:27
YokoZarAnd you should know better than to say that wine progs are slow.  Wine is not an emulator :p09:29
YokoZarIn theory, though, a very working Wine in main would allow people to just pop in a software CD (say, Half Life 2) and start going like it wasn't anything special.09:30
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bob2emule is already on linux09:31
bob2dc++ is already on linux09:31
YokoZaramule is not like emule (it misses the serverless network and lots of features) - the DC++ client is a lot better than the Direct Connect linux clients.09:33
YokoZarAnd, of course, running them in Wine only lets you do it on i386 architecture (we could get eMule running in PPC if we recompiled it with winelib)09:33
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helixhaha09:50
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Mithrandirthree times.10:47
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dholbachhai10:49
ajmitchhi dholbach 10:50
danielsMithrandir: wtf?10:50
danielsMithrandir: worksformehthkthxbye10:50
danielsoops, forgot hand10:50
dholbachhi ajmitch!10:51
dholbachdamn... spamassassin on my router doesnt work anymore :-(10:51
mdzMithrandir: in what context?10:52
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_mvo_mdz: what do you think about #2281 ("apt: if cdrom not found then use online files")? save enought to merge or rather leave it for later?11:04
dholbachhellas _mvo_11:06
_mvo_hi dholbach 11:07
justdaveI had that same thing happen when I updated the other day11:08
justdavedebconf asked me all the xserver-xorg questions three times in a row11:08
danielsjustdave: huh11:08
danielsplease both of you file a bug with as much info (xserver-xorg/* from /var/cache/debconf/config.dat et al) as you can possibly muster, severity major, package xserver-xorg, assigned to daniel.stone@ubuntu.com11:09
justdaveI asked in #ubuntu at the time and it was blamed on upgrading apt at the same time because the new apt asked the questions at a different point in the install process. (or so I was told :)11:09
danielswon't look at it for a few days though11:09
danielsjustdave: hm11:09
danielsmdz: ?11:09
danielshm, I know what it might be11:09
danielsplease file the bug and include this line so I can remember -- I think it's checking the wrong variable for reconfigure-or-not11:10
mdzdaniels: ?11:13
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justdaveok, it's bug 648411:15
mdz_mvo_: hmm, isn't there a bug (both in the old and new code) in the case of EOF on stdin?11:15
mdzthere are other places in the code which had similar problems in the past11:15
danielsmdz: see justdave's comment11:16
mdzah11:17
mdzwhat's the question for me?11:17
mdz(or did you mean something other than his coment with the bug number)11:17
mdzjustdave: apt asking questions at a different point?  sounds like more urban legend11:18
danielsmdz: ok, so it's just random bong :)11:19
_mvo_mdz: yes, I'll fix that. do you feel that a bug-fixed version is save :) ?11:19
justdavefound it in scrollback, mebaran151 was the source of the silly apt excuse :)11:20
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dholbachmdz: i could imagine the questions were asked for xserver-common xserver-org and maybe a third package too11:20
mdz_mvo_: I think it is probably safe, but would prefer to hold off on any further feature work until after Hoary11:20
mdz_mvo_: and rather spend the time stabilizing existing features (update-*, gnome-app-install, etc.)11:21
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_mvo_mdz: agreed, it's just a nice to have. we can easily defer it if you feel uncomfortable about it11:23
_mvo_mdz: stabilizing is my next goal. I will have to ask jdub about his plans for gnome-app-install, I'm not really involved there (apart from providing the backend)11:24
mdz_mvo_: has the update-notifier hook facility been tested?11:24
YokoZarHoly crap, I segfaulted gcc11:24
mdz_mvo_: it would also be good to test CD-based upgrades11:24
YokoZarWhen I uupdated the latest Wine package for the new wine release I now get a segfault in the compiler when it's building11:25
YokoZar(this is building on Warty) - does Hoary have a later GCC?11:26
_mvo_mdz: I tested it localy while developing it. but IIRC the utf-8 installer is the first "real" application that uses it11:26
mdzI thought I saw the utf8 migration tool uploaded, but I can't find it now11:27
_mvo_mdz: read cd based upgrades will only work when update-notifier is runing. for the warty-hoary upgrade cd-based upgrades will be not-overly-nice because the cd is mounted noexec and the user will have to either add the cd with synaptic by hand or run "python /cdrom/cdupgrade" :/11:28
mdz_mvo_: yes, but it will be nice for hoary->hoary+1 upgrades11:30
mdzbut only if it is tested before hoary releases :-)11:30
_mvo_mdz: yes :) 11:30
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dholbachhi pitti11:41
pittiMorning11:42
mdznight12:01
_mvo_night mdz 12:01
danielsmdz: 'night dude12:02
enricoHello.  Question about bugzilla: when someone reports a problem with the docteam, bugs get assigned to my e-mail address.  However, that gives the impression that I'm taking care of them, which is not necessarily true.  Is there a way to assign the bugs to "nobody", so that it's clear that they are there to be picked up?12:10
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dholbach"morning" ogra ;-)12:30
ogramoin12:31
YokoZarHey.  New version of Wine is out...trying to get my package to build, but GCC seems to be segfaulting at random parts.  If I do get it to compile, though, can I have you put it up in universe after I upload it to winehq.org?12:34
danielsYokoZar: stop overclocking and/or get better memory12:34
YokoZarNo overclocking here, though that might explain it. Maybe I should turn up my processor fan.12:35
YokoZarI think I ran memtest earlier.  It could just be a GCC bug (it's been updated minorly from warty to hoary and I'm compiling on Warty at the moment)12:36
ograYokoZar: if you want to be a MOTU, you should track the ubuntu-users list.... there is a long thread from tonight where someone needs wine help :)12:46
YokoZarI hope he's not running the really old universe packages, heh12:46
YokoZarThanks for the tip, I should subscribe, heh12:47
ograYokoZar: probably....but as you have updaqted ones in your repo, you could point there12:47
ograYokoZar: to have someone in the community testing them ;)12:47
YokoZarmost of my testers write to the Wine users list, heh12:48
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ograYokoZar: oh, and till malone is ready, the ubuntu-users list is our bugtracking systen :-P12:48
ografor universe....12:49
YokoZarSounds reasonable.  12:50
mantienadaniels, hi, I wanna talk about best default resolution, do you have some time ?12:50
YokoZarThe problem is... I don't know the answer to his question12:50
danielsmantiena: no time right now, sorry12:50
YokoZarhttp://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022096.html12:50
danielsmantiena: but i did seem to notice that you filed the bug about 85 or 100hz twice?12:51
YokoZarI've gotten several reports about the winehq apt repository being screwy, but I think this has to do with sourceforge being unreliable more than anything else12:51
danielsmantiena: (6470 and 6480)12:51
mantienadaniels, yes, I accidently pressed refresh button this morning to view new comments, but firefox filled new bugreport instead :(12:52
amuenrico: probably the best, if the docteam define an mailalias where the new bugs goes to, assigned to noone isnt a good idea, practically bugs are lost in nirwana, elmo can change your assignment.12:52
danielsmantiena: ah, right12:52
mantienadaniels, should I close duplicated ?12:52
danielsmantiena: please close 6480 as a duplicate of 6470, yes12:52
mantienadaniels, ok, when you will have some time to talk just do /query mantiena ;)12:53
ograYokoZar: have you seen the initial mail on this thread ? the OP wants to run VB scripts under wine....is that possible ?12:53
danielsprobably not until next week12:53
enricoamu: good idea.  Is it possible to have mailaliases defined like @docteam.ubuntu.com ?12:53
danielsbut see my comments in #647012:53
enricoOr maybe we could just set that to the ubuntu-doc mailing list.12:53
mantienadaniels, ok, as I understand xresprobe does resolution selection, right ?12:53
danielsmantiena: yes, the smarts are in ddcprobe.sh12:54
amuenrico: you should ask elmo, with the kubuntu, we defined an external alias 12:54
enricoLet's try to see what happens assigning to the ubuntu-doc list12:54
mantienadaniels, thanks for info12:54
danielsnp12:54
YokoZarogra: Ahh, guess I wasn't looking closely.  You can do it if you install the visual basic runtime (which most apps which use it seem to do)12:55
amuenrico: everyone think, the other one already take care care ? ;) 12:56
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dholbachis a warning like  libtool: link: warning: `/usr/lib64/libgtk-x11-2.0.la' seems to be moved  considered to be ok?12:56
enricoamu: at the moment everyone things I already take care :)12:57
ograYokoZar: ah, ok... 12:57
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amuenrico: heh01:00
danielsdholbach: how on earth did you get /usr/lib64 in the first place?01:00
enricoamu: uhm... reassigning to the list seems to be a problem, as the list is not subscribed to bugzilla.  Is it too impolite to subscribe it?01:00
amudaniels: did you found same time for the keyboard bug (remember no @ and | with a german keyboard)  01:02
ogradaniels: amd64, i get the same warniongs here01:02
danielsamu: not at all01:02
danielsamu: and not until next week, sorry01:03
danielsi suspect the problem is pc104 vs pc10501:03
dholbachdaniels: i wanted to have a look at what's going wrong with evolution on amd64 and built it with pbuilder01:03
danielsit'll make it in for hoary, but probably not even next week01:03
amuenrico: think so, probably you should discuss it with your team, before assigning them to the list.01:04
enricoamu: I wanted to try that out before discussing, so that we'd have something to discuss about01:05
enricoamu: however, I'm not the moderator and the bugzilla mail isn't reaching the list01:05
amudaniels: np, whenever you've time for it. I'm wondert about other langs, they have not this problem 01:06
danielsamu: sure ... i'll check it out as soon as i get some time, but i'm swamped for a while, sorry :\01:06
amuenrico: as i said, practically, everyone think, the other one already take care ;)01:07
amuenrico: no prob, the moderator can define a whitelist entry for the entry.01:07
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enricoamu: sure, but I can't get to the moderator right now :(01:08
ograenrico: malone should be ready soon (referring to bradb) we are waiting for it for MOTU....probably something to consider for the doc stuff too...01:09
enricoogra: after hoary maybe?  We fear changes before deadlines01:09
ograah, ok...01:09
sivangMorning all!01:10
dholbachhi sivan!01:11
sivangdholbach: hi daniel, 'sup?01:11
ogramorning sivang01:11
amuhey sivang 01:11
dholbach<- shower01:11
sivanghey amu :)01:12
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zulmorning01:40
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dholbachelmo: ping02:11
dholbachelmo: alright... just read my mails :-) THANKS!02:12
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Mithrandirdaniels: when upgrading with a hand-changed xorg.conf03:05
Mithrandirseb128: you've broken nautilus as well now. :(03:05
danielsMithrandir: bong.  i'll check it out next week.03:06
danielsMithrandir: if you want to solve that itmt, sweet deal03:06
seb128Mithrandir: what with nautilus ?03:06
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Mithrandirseb128: segfaults on startup on amd64; I haven't traced it any more than that yet.03:06
seb128do you have a backtrace ?03:07
Mithrandirnot yet.03:07
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MithrandirI'm going to try find what the problem with evo is first.03:08
Mithrandirogra: do you have problems with nautilus falling over ATM?03:08
ogranope03:08
Mithrandirare you up-to-date?03:09
ograas far as i can....(i version locked the evo package and some libs.... which affects gnome-panel, the address lookup applet and some others)03:10
Mithrandircan you do it in a chroot or something, possibly?03:10
dholbachMithrandir: i have the most recent nautilus on amd64 too03:11
Mithrandirdholbach: and it works?03:11
dholbachMithrandir: yes03:11
Mithrandirhm03:12
dholbachMithrandir: do you have a "crash-test-case" for me?03:12
Mithrandirdholbach: "starting nautilus". :P03:12
dholbachMithrandir: works fine :-)03:12
Mithrandirit works if I run it without any WM, though.. :P03:12
ograMithrandir: tried a new user ?03:13
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Mithrandir               http://www.scottybob.com/video/customer.videos/paul.k.mov03:13
Mithrandirsorry, wrong paste.03:13
Gagatanhehe03:13
Mithrandirseems like pasting from inside an Xnest is icky.03:13
GagatanMithrandir: ubuntu-people not interested in telemark? ;)03:14
danielsMithrandir: ... yes03:14
marcin_anthi developers - any "java on ubuntu" here?03:14
MithrandirGagatan: it's not really relevant for Ubuntu development, no. :P03:14
AnubisI have to simple issues that no one on the board or #ubuntu seems to be able to answer03:14
AnubisI understand there is some problme with udev?03:14
GagatanMithrandir: right.. more an issue with _sn_frix ;)03:15
Anubismy /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvd symlinks keep disappearing at boot03:15
Anubisbreaking the eject cmd03:15
AnubisI have to eject /dev/hdd03:15
Anubisor such03:15
Anubisthe other issue03:15
AnubisI can't seem to be able to enable hdparm's dma on my cdroms at boot03:16
Anubishow do you guys do it in Ubuntu03:16
Anubismy hard drives have dma at boot03:16
Anubisbut not my rom devices03:16
Anubisdo you use a kernel cmd?03:16
Anubisa script for hdparm at boot?03:16
AnubisI tried the hdparm script but it returns errors on boot03:17
Mithrandirdholbach: do you have any shares on the desktop?03:17
dholbachMithrandir: no03:17
AnubisI'm about ot continue my research03:17
Mithrandirtry adding one03:17
Mithrandirseb128: it tries to allocate about half a gazzillion terabytes of memory, which fails.03:17
Mithrandir1844674407117266544 bytes, to be exact.03:18
dholbachMithrandir: you mean gnome-user-share?03:18
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Mithrandirdholbach: the "connect to server" thingy.  I have a few SSH shares on my desktop03:19
dholbachMithrandir: ok... i already have such a share03:19
seb128Mithrandir: urg, weird03:20
Mithrandirseb128: you want the bt in /msg?03:20
Mithrandir(it's 14 steps deep)03:20
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seb128Mithrandir: k03:22
Mithrandirseb128: already pasted.03:22
seb128Mithrandir: could you do the same with nautilus-dbg installed ?03:22
Mithrandirsure03:23
seb128and paste it on http://rafb.net/paste/ rather03:23
Mithrandirwhat's the right way to make sure I use the debug package?03:25
seb128look on the backtrace :)03:26
seb128or attach the process with gdb and look if it finds the symboles or not03:26
Mithrandirit found them03:28
Mithrandirseb128: http://rafb.net/paste/results/G6xz9R37.html03:29
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seb128Mithrandir: thanks03:31
seb128Mithrandir: does it crash if you run it in --no-desktop ?03:34
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Mithrandirseb128: nope, looks happy then03:36
KamionMithrandir: wow, 1.6 exabytes, nifty03:37
MithrandirKamion: I'm cheap and don't have that amount of memory in my desktop system. ;)03:38
Mithrandirelmo: could you please sync db4.1?03:38
elmodone03:40
Mithrandirthanks03:40
zulanyone got a recommendation for an rss reader?03:40
dholbachzul: liferea03:41
zuldholbach, thanks03:42
seb128Mithrandir: it crashses since the update ?03:42
Mithrandirseb128: I updated my desktop this morning; I guess I haven't updated in a week or so (150MB-ish download), so I'm not sure what the old versions were.03:43
seb128Mithrandir: could you try to downgrade to the previous nautilus version ? 03:45
Mithrandirsure03:45
Mithrandirupstream version or debian revision?03:45
LBMzul: blam is quite good03:46
mantienaKamion, hi03:49
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dholbachgood bye guys... i'm off until tomorrow - partying :-)03:52
seb128Mithrandir: previous package which is the previous upstream version03:52
Mithrandirok03:52
Kamionmantiena: hi, but bye, I promised to mow the lawn today ...03:53
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bob2crazy norwegians!03:54
zuloh if anyone read the new linux journal there is a review about ubuntu03:55
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Anubisplease04:12
Anubiswhat happened to /dev/cdrom?04:12
Anubiswhat happened to /dev/cdroms/cdrom0?04:12
Anubiswhat happened to /dev/dvd?04:12
Anubisdon't I NEED these?04:12
azeemAnubis: try in #ubuntu04:14
Anubisazeem, no seems to be able to answer this04:14
Anubisthats why I'm asking the guys who know04:15
azeemthen ask the question in #ubuntu again later 04:15
Anubismy contact in #ubuntu is away crimsun04:15
Anubishe usually helps me04:15
azeemroughly the same people are in both chans anyway04:15
zulthen ask someone else in #ubuntu04:15
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zullamont: is that kernelpage valid?04:37
zuler...in the wiki04:37
amuseb128: gnome i18n will be extracted to the language-packs? 04:38
lamontzul: dunno04:39
zulworks for me atleast 04:40
seb128amu: ?04:45
seb128amu: the mo files ? They already are in the packs04:45
amuseb128: ok, the problem is about 180mb kde-i18n which is a real waste of diskspace04:46
Kamionurgh, I never noticed that system-config-kickstart failed to build, damn04:47
Kamionhopefully fixed04:47
seb128amu: is that a way to say that kde is crap ? I know about it :p04:47
seb128amu: gnome has not global i18n package, every tarball include its translation04:48
amuKamion: small problem, user install kubuntu, let's say he use the great german lang, how d-i knows that he should install kde-i18n-de ?    04:49
Kamionamu: it doesn't, yet04:49
Kamionwe can fix that though - but not now :)04:49
Kamions/now/today/04:49
amuseb128: hehe, finally it's the same, doent matter if your have i18n in a tarball or a sperate package :)04:49
seb128amu: it's really not the same, if you want to change 1 translation in kde-i18n you have to upload the whole stuff, that's insane04:50
amuKamion: sure not today.   04:51
Kamionseb128: ... welcome to language packs :P04:51
Mithrandirseb128: old version works fine04:51
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amuseb128: but after a release the langpacka and packages are static, means they will never change04:52
seb128amu: I was talking out of the language packs04:52
seb128amu: you don't have to deal with the 180M of kde-i18n with them04:53
amuseb128: sure, i'm talking also about langs stuff, i get a releae, and kde-i18n will be packaged. It will not updated anymore      04:55
seb128I think I don't get the question in fact04:56
amulet's say you have gnome 2.8 which is in warty.    04:57
amulets say i have kde 3.2.3 in warty 04:57
amuit's the same size, if i have sperate i18n files compared to the i18n inside a package.     04:58
seb128correct04:59
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mantienaKamion, did you fixed bug "parted-udeb should depend not only on libc6 but also on libparted" ?05:03
amuthe only possibility is, if we ship the d-i supported langs, guess it will be less than 50mb   05:03
mantienaamu, yea, ship at least d-i supported languages, lithuanian language is very important and takes little space ;)05:03
amuKamion: could we speak monday afternoon about it?05:05
amumantiena: if d-i supports *eg* 05:05
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mantienaamu, do you think I told this if lithuanian language isn't in d-i ?05:06
mantiena:-P05:06
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Simirasmurfix: ping05:19
smurfixSimira: pong (, even)05:20
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goedsonI've just tried to upgrade my machine from warty to hoary and I'm not able to boot it anymore.05:25
goedsonIt isn't possible to run any program when try to boot it.05:27
goedsonI get "Can't run /sbin/shutdown" when I hit CTRL+ALT+DEL on the console. 05:27
goedsonAny ideas?05:27
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Kamionmantiena: I have not been at my computer very much since last night. It's a weekend.06:00
Kamionamu: sure06:01
mantienaKamion, ok, so I must report a bug ?06:04
Kamion23:30 < Kamion> mantiena: well I haven't fixed it yet, so feel free to report :)06:07
mantienaKamion, long memory ;)06:10
Kamionthat said, I can fix libparted-udeb's provides now, which might fix it as a side-effect06:25
Kamiondid somebody already mention to haggai that openoffice.org2 needs to be rebuilt against current libedataserver?06:33
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Kamionmantiena: ok, I've just uploaded a fix to parted-udeb's dependencies06:56
Mithrandirseb128: the evo bug seems to be a bug not in evo, but something else involving libroken07:02
seb128any idea of what ?07:03
Mithrandirnot sure, just linking something against eshell and roken triggers it.07:04
seb128k07:04
Mithrandirbut then, linking against eshell means you link against 87 of the 90 libs evo links against. :P07:05
Mithrandirlamont: please adjust PaS to build avifile on amd64 as well07:05
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lamontMithrandir: done - now you just need elmo to sync pas...07:07
Mithrandirlamont: he does that once in a while by himself, or?07:07
lamontgenerally he gets nudged - although he may well get notified anyway07:08
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Mithrandirelmo: please sync PaS. :)07:08
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lamontlater Kamion 07:12
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T-Bonehmm, today's iso seems to work fine on zx2000. let's see if elilo works as well07:25
zulT-Bone: how is it going?07:30
T-Bonezul: 'copying remaining packages' atm07:31
zulvool07:31
T-Bonewithout having to press 'ok' for a bogus reason at any time07:31
T-Bonewhich is pretty nice ;)07:31
zulworked on any ppc stuff?07:32
T-Boneno07:32
T-Bonehad no time07:32
zulok07:32
T-Bonehmm. Things aren't as smooth as it seems07:32
T-Bonethe installation process went back to the general menu after setting up a normal user07:32
T-Bone'configure apt' doesn't work. Nor does 'install bootloader' ;(07:33
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zulhey mdz07:38
mdzhey07:38
mdzbrb07:38
Mithrandirseb128: this is fun.  Link something with libroken and libpthread.07:40
Mithrandiron AMD64, it goes boom!07:40
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T-Bonehow bizarre. If i stick a 'set -x' in elilo-installer.postinst, the bootlaoder installs fine ;P07:46
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T-Bonehttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1619 <- zul: is that actually a "bug"?08:07
T-Bonemdz: re what was said on u-devel: shouldn't 3281 be marked as NEEDINFO? it has remained without answer for several months, if we want not to forget it when sending reminders, maybe that kind of bugs should be tagged NEEDINFO?08:09
mdzT-Bone: bugzilla doesn't allow you to reassign a bug and mark it NEEDINFO in one step08:10
mdzso if they report against the wrong component, it generally won't be marked NEEDINFO08:10
T-Bonehmm. so we just let these bugs out in the void?08:11
T-Bonemptscsih issue on zx6000. gack08:20
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zulT-Bone: not sure what to make of it08:24
T-Bonezul: 'it' ?08:24
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Mithrandirseb128: why is kerberos support in evo enabled?08:24
zul161908:24
T-Boneah ok08:25
Mithrandirat least, why is kerberos4 support enabled?08:25
bluefoxicymdz:  you busy?08:25
T-Bonezul: the problem is that among the huge number of bugs, seems that quite a lot are somehow 'irrelevant' (missing information, not for us and so on...) (not to mention what was said on u-devel: some needinfo bugs never got any additional feedback...)08:26
T-Bonezul: if we don't decide to take action on these somehow "dead bugs", the bug count will never decrease...08:26
T-Bonehmm, so as i suspected, Debian loads mptscsih at the same time it loads mptbase: from initrd08:28
zulT-Bone: i realize that my suggestion is see if there is any response to the bug and wait a couple of more days if there isnt a response then mark it as needinfo, users can re-open it08:28
T-Bonezul: ok, i roger that for 1619 (even tho the report is already several months), but if you look at 3281, last request for data is also several month old, without feedback...08:29
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zulT-Bone: yeah its a needinfo08:30
mdzT-Bone: what "void"?08:33
T-Bonemdz: have you looked at 3281?08:34
T-Boneas zul noted, i think it should be tagged needinfo08:34
mdzT-Bone: of course.  If you look at the bug activity, you will see that I have looked at it several times.08:34
T-Boneyes.08:34
mdzyou are both absolutely right that it should be marked NEEDINFO, and zul has actually marked it as such08:35
T-Boneseveral month ago. Hence my suggestion to mark it 'needinfo' so that when we'll start sending out advice before closing bugs for lack of feedback, it doesn't get forgotten08:35
T-Boneheh ;)08:35
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seb128Mithrandir: why not ?08:36
T-Boneis there an easy way to netinstall Ubuntu? I mean *without* booting from CD08:36
T-Boneeverything being done from network08:36
mdzyes, of course08:37
T-Bonemdz: can you educate me about that?08:37
mdzT-Bone: it is documented in the installation manual08:37
mdzand there are howtos in the wiki08:37
T-Bonehmm08:38
T-Boneon FrontPage, if i click on "Installing Ubuntu" it sends me to a rev search on "FirstSteps" but not to the FirstSteps page08:39
Mithrandirseb128: because libroken is broken.08:42
seb128Mithrandir: in fact evolution-exchange was built with it and not evolution/eds first, which breaks evolution-exchange08:44
Mithrandirit redefines h_errno, which breaks with pthread08:44
seb128hum08:45
seb128why does it break only on amd64 ?08:46
Mithrandirgrep for "checking for h_errno" in the krb4 configure logs.08:46
Mithrandiranyhow, since I've tracked it down, I'm goddamn going to fix it as well08:46
seb128thanks!08:46
sladenT-Bone: if you ask on #ubuntu I can send you a tarball with all the necessary08:47
mantienaKamion, so, no need to report parted dependancies bug :)08:48
Mithrandirthis is fun:08:49
Mithrandirconfigure:34949: checking for h_errno08:49
Mithrandirconfigure:34973: gcc -o conftest -g  -g conftest.c -lresolv  >&508:49
Mithrandircollect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault] 08:49
zullater..08:50
T-Bonesladen: are you being sarcastic?08:50
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sladenT-Bone: to be fair, it would save me the hassle if you didn't ask :)09:01
T-Bonesladen: may I ask you what makes you being so downlooking at me?09:02
T-Bonehmm, in fact i don't care. I'll just ignore you from now on.09:03
mdzbluefoxicy: my followup to the list should adequately explain my position09:15
bluefoxicymdz:  kay.09:15
bluefoxicymdz:  the one to paul sladen?09:17
mdzno09:17
bluefoxicyok.  *waits for his mail server to catch up then*09:17
wasabipackage versioning question: I have an upstream which is versioned at 0.7.1pre3. I suspect they will release that as 0.7.109:25
wasabiI thinking about this ~ thing I've been hearing about. Is this a good use for it? 0.7.1~pre3?09:26
wasabii dont know if that's even good for ubuntu at this point though. ;l)09:26
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T-Bonezul, lamont: ping?09:34
sladenmdz: mkisofs knows about shareing files between HFS/ISO volumes, I didn't look at intra-volume.  What's important for cloop is just the offsets, the actual 'file' can/could be the ISO device itself with cloop told to skip the first X sectors find its offset table at point N09:34
mdzsladen: right, hardlinks are sharing entire files under different names; you're talking about using pieces of multiple files at different offsets in a different file09:39
mdzanyway, off to SCALE09:40
sladenmdz: yup. (which is what the HFS/ISO sharing is, same sectors, different FS tables)09:40
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Mithrandirchecking for h_errno... yes09:50
Mithrandirchecking if h_errno is properly declared... yes09:50
Mithrandiryay09:50
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AndyRlo all10:25
AndyRcan anyone please help me with a Xorg resolution prob using nv server, im only able to get 640x48010:27
T-Bonefabbione: ping, maybe? :)10:39
thomT-Bone: he's currently getting married, AIUI10:42
T-Bonethom: lol, true :)10:42
danielsyeah, fabbione is unpingable for a while10:42
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thomso, unlikely to be available on irc10:42
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HrdwrBoBapparently also IRCing on your honeymoon is bad form10:43
T-Bonehehe10:44
thomHrdwrBoB: yeah, i've heard that too10:44
danielsHrdwrBoB: hey, you can if you want ...10:44
zenroxbut thay dont recomend it10:46
danielstaking your ps2, gta:sa, and a laptop for irc on your honeymoon cruise is generally considered bad form10:48
HrdwrBoB:/ that was what ambr said not me10:48
zenroxlol10:49
T-Boneanyone knows zul's email?10:50
danielszul@gentoo.org10:51
T-Bonethx10:51
mantienaamu, still alive ?10:56
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mjg59Hmm. Warty->Hoary upgrade is prompting me on a load of config files11:00
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haggaiKamion: I'm doing a new OOo2 upload anyhow11:21
Hwolfhaggai: Do you use OOo2?11:28
amumantiena: yep11:28
lamontT-Bone: moo11:29
haggaiHwolf: not as much as I need to to find all the bugs :)11:29
T-Bonelamont: groo! Got mail11:29
lamontyeah - just reading it11:30
Hwolfhaggai: Do you know how to have OOo2 put out a decent .doc?11:30
haggaiHwolf: I don't know what you mean.  I haven't tried exporting many .docs, only importing them11:31
Hwolfhaggai: I need to do the exact oposite and send something I made to one of the poor sheep in this world that believes that word is the awnser for the world's problems.11:32
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Hwolfhaggai: and unlike in OOo1, in 2 I haven't had any luck.11:33
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opiHi there :)11:34
haggaiHwolf: I'm just uploading a new milstone, your problem could be fixed in there already11:34
Hwolfhaggai: i'll try using it and reporting the bugs. I'm the guy whose mail you awnsered.11:34
HwolfI feel that this one open bug for OO2 is lonely, it'd be rude to leave it so11:35
jdubgood morning freedom lovers!11:35
Hwolfjdub, last time I checked, it was 11:36 pm11:36
amumoin jdub 11:36
opiHwolf, mind a different time zones ;)11:36
opihi jdub 11:36
Nafalloevening jdub :-)11:36
Hwolfopi: I'm reminding jdub of those. :-)11:37
Mithrandirogra: around?11:37
ograMithrandir: yup11:38
opiI'm using Freesbie now, and I must say they did a nice job on FreeBSD/LiveCD11:38
NafalloI just installed warty on my server (reinstalling now)11:38
opiit's not as good as Ubuntu :-> but still useful11:38
opismurfix, ping11:38
smurfixopi: 11:39
Nafallobase-config looped at first boot see ;-)11:39
Mithrandirogra: could you test the nautilus stuff for me?  I think I have a fix.11:39
opismurfix, hi. So, can we talk about setting up moinmoin under ubuntu-pl.org? :)11:39
Mithrandirogra: it requires you to upgrade to the broken version and installing http://err.no/tmp/libroken16-kerberos4kth_1.2.2-11.1ubuntu1_amd64.deb11:39
Mithrandirogra: if that works, we're in business.11:39
opismurfix, unless your package is still not ready :)11:39
ograMithrandir: okay11:40
Nafallolike "info: something about ISO-8859-1\nstarting base-config" and those lines looped ;-)11:40
Mithrandirogra: if that doesn't work, but evo starts, we're halfway there. :)11:40
smurfixopi: Sure. No it isn't ready but that doesn't stop me any more, I've hacked an installation on my system anyway.11:40
opismurfix, ok, what should I provide you with? :)11:40
Nafallothe only thing I can think of that I didn't do was that I skipped copying the cd to harddrive. might that be the reason for this behavior?11:41
haggaiHwolf: ah, ok thanks11:41
smurfixopi: an ssh pubkey, in gpg-signed email11:41
HwolfHaggai: will OOo2 be a replacement for 1 in the final hoary?11:42
opismurfix, well, d'oh! I need to google how to set gpg for Thunderbird11:42
Mithrandiropi: install m-t-enigmail11:42
MithrandirHwolf: I doubt it.11:42
opiMithrandir, thanks11:42
opiI need to write it down11:42
haggaiHwolf: hopefully but it does need to be reasonably stable11:43
opismurfix, I'll write you back.11:43
Hwolfhaggai: then why is OOo1 in warty? :-S11:43
Mithrandirhaggai: how does ooo2 look 64bit-wise?11:43
haggaiMithrandir: apparently there are enough patches working now to be able to start it without it crashing :-/11:46
Mithrandirthat's a start..11:46
Hwolfhaggai: Intel is starting to enable it on it's celerons, and it's in that state... :-S11:46
ograMithrandir: you won 11:46
ograMithrandir: :-D11:46
Mithrandirogra: it worked completely?11:47
ograMithrandir: it not only starts....it also works ;)11:47
Mithrandir_YAY_11:47
Mithrandirthat rocks.11:47
ograYEP11:47
Hwolfhaggai: so you don't know about word-compatibility?11:51
T-Bonelamont: any feedback on what I said in the mail?11:52
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lamontT-Bone: uh.. none yet :-)11:58
=== lamont sends email
T-Bonelamont: lol. I'd especially like some feedback about the last question ;)11:59
=== lamont giggles that problem is abreviated pb in .fr as well
lamontaucun?12:00

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