baltonI'm having a pretty weird problem - I installed Windows & Ubuntu on a dualboot and when i was in windows, the system reboot all of a sudden..when grub came up it booted into ubuntu, but i got a crc error..so i rebooted the system, and then all of a sudden it said "No operating system found" and grub didn't come up - So i tried putting in the ubuntu install disc again, but again, when uncompressing linux, i got a crc error..I also tried a gen12:00
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osvaldoalexrait, sadly i don't have access to my hoary install at the moment, sorry.12:00
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osvaldoalexrait, try gaim.12:01
kbrooks__wrong room12:02
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tatterdemalionprbalton, could the hd be bad?12:02
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hector_i need lots of help can somebody help me???12:03
Nafallohector_: just ask in the channel and people will probably answer...12:04
kirtHas anyone else been getting slow DNS lookups recently?  I've tried disabling ipv6 and my firewall.. neither had any effect.12:04
baltontatterdemalionpr - I'm not sure...there are two drives in the box - a 40Gb with windows, and a 250Gb w/ a windows partition and linux12:04
baltontatterdemalionpr - should i try disconecting the hard drives, and then booting off a livecd..?12:04
hector_i'm tryng to mount a fat partition and i can't do it12:04
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spinifexwhere is the log file for xorg?12:05
baltontatterdemalionpr - but i don't know how a bad hard drive would affect uncompressing linux off a livecd - doesn't the livecd not touch them at that point..?12:05
alexraitosvaldo, it was just an example of course: :) I do use gaim..12:05
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hector_the first time that i can do it, i can't see the folders12:05
tatterdemalionprbalton, bad cd?12:06
spinifexdoes xorg keep a log file when you start up?12:06
tatterdemalionprbalton, wrong cd drivers?12:06
basculebad RAM, bad IDE channels12:07
baltoni dont think so - i said i tried both ubuntu and a gentoo livecd, plus i've used both cds many times in the past..12:07
baltonbascule - what does bad ide channels mean? like how would i fix that...12:07
tatterdemalionprnew motherboard12:07
baltontatterdemalionpr - i see..12:08
tatterdemalionprbut i doubt thats your probles12:08
basculewell, it's a sarcastic one really, bad IDE channels would need a new motherboard so let's hope not12:08
basculebalton: ^12:08
basculehi new install guy :)12:08
baltonshould i go check unplugging the hard drives, or one at a time? (the computer is a floor away so it will take me a bit :) )12:09
basculewhat is happenong, hang on12:09
baltonwith me?12:09
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basculetry turning of virus check in BIOS if it has such a thing12:09
vivlachagasorry in my sources list i have a url is only this url or exist mirrors?12:10
basculebalton: yeah I scrolled back12:10
baltonlet me go check some of these things...i'll be back in a bit - thanks so far12:10
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SlantHas anyone seen the Apache2 / PHP4 / libpcre issue, and knwo how to fix it?12:12
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thundrcleezeI've got that problem with ICEauthority not letting me in again (on a different computer this time) and I can't remember the command to fix it.12:19
basculechown <you> ~/.ICEauthority12:20
thundrcleezethanks again, bascule12:20
basculerm -f ~/.ICEauthority is an other way, up to ypu12:21
baltonok i'm back12:21
basculehow goes things balton12:21
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baltoni tried undoing the drives one by one, and it didn't fix it, but when i took out one of the sticks of ram it booted up the ubuntu install disk...now i'm goign to try putting the drives back in and hopefully it will work again12:22
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basculebad RAM of cource crc check at  the top of the BIOS POST12:22
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basculehi, popular isn't it :)12:23
Funtoyes lol12:23
FuntoI suppose you all are Ubuntu users...12:23
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antibiosloving the ubuntu12:24
basculegood guess12:24
Funtohmm I'm new to this distrib12:24
Funtoand I can say I'm new to Linux too12:24
antibiosgot a question that i wanted to ask before I start logging a bug report12:25
AlphaXerohow do you de-link /dev/dvd from /media/cdrom0 ?12:25
Funtothere still are problems with hardware :(12:25
valdezFunto: what kind of hardware?12:25
SlantAlphaXero: Take a look in /etc/fstab.12:25
Funto1st, the modem12:25
Funtothen, the printer12:25
antibiosmy sounds keeps breaking and I just wanted to check that it isn't a hardware problem12:25
Funtoand the scanner too...12:25
antibiosAlso give me the error: ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:549:(snd_pcm_hw_start) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_START failed: Broken pipe12:25
AlphaXeroi forgot the cmd12:25
AlphaXeroln something12:26
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valdezFunto: the modem seems to work though? :p12:27
FuntoI don't understand...Ubuntu is based on Knoppix isn't it? So why does Knoppix recognize hardware Ubuntu doesn't?12:27
Funtovaldez >> no :(12:27
FuntoIt's a SpeedTouch USB12:27
basculearrrrgh modem from hell ...12:27
jdubFunto: no, it's not12:27
AlphaXeroslant, /dev/dvd isnt in there12:27
jdubFunto: the warty livecd was based on morphix12:27
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Funtoand Morphix on Knoppix?12:28
jdubFunto: the latest hoary test livecds are based on a new system, and recognise all the hardware that the installed system does12:28
jdubloosely now12:28
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valdezHoary works pretty good for me right now .. aka kicks ass12:28
Funtoa new system...a new distrib?12:28
jdubno, a new livecd infrastructure12:28
basculei got a SpeedTouch USB to work once, rebooted and it never worked again12:29
AlphaXeroah ok, its sudo ln -s /media/cdrom0 /dev/dvd <---how do i undo this?12:29
basculetm -f /media/cdrom012:29
Funtobascule >> it happened to me too ^^ but with Mandrake12:29
valdeznever liked usb modems ..12:29
Funtothere is a script in Kaella12:30
AlphaXerothat removes the link bascule?12:30
basculeFunto: the modem sucks completely, get a router, sorry but that is the way it is ..:(12:30
FuntoKaella is a french versio nof Knoppix12:30
Funtoand that script permits it to connect in 30 seconds...12:30
basculeAlphaXero: yes12:30
Funtobascule >> in fact I managed to make the system recognize the modem12:30
Funtoand it thinks it works12:31
Funtobut...it doesn't :D12:31
basculeAlphaXero: oops rm -f /dev/dvd12:31
randabishoary pissed me off earlier :p I did an update and it brought back that awful debian menu12:31
AlphaXerook thanks bascule12:31
jdubrandabis: remove menu-xdg12:31
godome too12:31
basculeAlphaXero: /media/cdrom0 will be a directory anyway12:31
basculeFunto: I think with 2.4 kernels it was fine, 2.6 forget about it12:32
Funtohowever the Kaella script works either with 2.4 and with 2.6...12:32
basculeAlphaXero: it is ln -s /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /dev/dvd12:32
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basculeor /dev/hdc /dev/dvd12:32
basculeor /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd12:33
Funto(where could I dl Hoary?)12:33
basculeFunto: perhaps they have a direct line to Benoit Papillault12:33
Funtoa...direct line? you mean...?12:34
basculehe perhaps was a devel there ...12:35
Funtoah you mean in Kaella?12:35
FuntoI don't know12:35
Funtothe fact is that it is a french distribution and that my modem is widely used in France ^^12:36
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basculeUK too, wanadoo give them out like candy, cause that's all they are worth ;)12:36
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cindux_back :P12:37
tweek888is there a compile guide anywhere? i reall cant figure it out :(12:37
cindux_Totem still brokey..12:37
drqk_how do i get phph to work with apache2 ?12:37
godohow how i get item RealPlayer out of the menu?12:37
tezzahow would i go about getting the functionality from my touchpad on my laptop so when i press in on it it performs a click ?12:37
valdezcindux: what's up with totem? mine's stable12:37
godoif have deinstall it12:37
cindux_tezza are you talking about that little black/grey pad?12:37
cindux_godo try right clicking it12:38
cindux_you should have the remove option12:38
baltonbascule - thanks for the help, looks like it's all good again12:39
randabisjdub removing that also removes kde lol12:39
baltonbascule - i'm pissed off that the stick of RAM is bad already, i bought it at xmas!12:39
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cindux_i have a bunch of sticks of pc133 you can have :D12:40
cindux_er damnt12:40
basculebalton: send it back12:40
Funtois it possible to install Ubuntu Hoary on the DD from the live-cd?12:40
cindux_anyone know how to msg nickserv12:40
cindux_to "login"12:40
cindux_keeps saying cindux is in use by another but i dont know command12:40
cindux_to verify i am cindux12:41
bascule /msg nickser ident <pssword>12:41
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randabisFunto, theoretically you could12:41
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bascule /msg nickserv ident <password>12:41
randabisit'd be kinda like installing gentoo from a livecd12:41
cindux_thought it was identify12:41
cindux_alright brb12:41
tobbemsg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>12:41
basculeident identify ...12:41
tezzacindux_, yer, it's a laptop and usually if you press it it acts as a click12:41
FuntoAnd is there a script to install it, like under Knoppix?12:42
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randabisthat's why I said theoretically12:42
godono icons for Trash and Desktop12:42
randabisyou'd have to improvise your own way to install ubuntu from a livecd12:42
netmonkam i doing somethig wrong or is it a bug that every time I start synaptic the settings are back to proxy I used some time ago?12:42
randabisI think it would be somewhat similar to installing gentoo12:42
randabisyou'd need to chroot, etc12:42
godohow to fix it,cindux?12:43
Funtook thx randabis12:43
basculecindux: sets mode +e no new memos? If so good12:43
cindux= /12:43
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bascule23:44 -!- Mode change [+e]  for user bascule12:44
bascule23:44 -MemoServ(MemoServ@services.)- You have no new memos12:44
cinduxyes i saw that12:44
basculecoolyou are in .. :)12:44
godohow i get the icons Trash and Desktop back?12:44
cinduxdo you mean the desktop icons ?12:45
cinduxor the ones in the bottom menu12:45
Funtowith gconf-editor I think12:45
godoon the left12:45
Funtoif you're talking about the icons on the desktop12:45
godothere is only a thumbnail12:45
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godoon the down panel12:46
tweek888is there a guide to basic compileing?12:47
bascule./configure && make && sudo make install <-- that easy12:47
tweek888can you explain sudo?12:47
cinduxis sudo an acronym ?12:48
basculedo as [S] uper [U] ser12:48
cinduxthat cheap crap12:48
Funtobascule >> but there isn't gcc on Ubuntu....12:48
tweek888well ive tried make and it says theres no makefile =\12:48
basculeFunto: oh there is I can assure you12:48
cinduxthis may be dumb12:48
cinduxwhat is the difference between root & super user?12:48
Funtoat least in my Hoary distrib, the package gcc isn't installed...12:49
cindux2 words for the same thing ?12:49
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Funto(I wanted to say Warty)12:49
cinduxso, when i type sudo su i'm basically asking for a session as root12:49
basculeFunto: not installed is none, not the same ... :)12:49
cinduxaka super user?12:49
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basculeyup, aka god aka ownz everything and everyone12:49
cinduxcool ^12:49
tobbeIf I've understand it right there can be many super users, and root is one of them_12:50
bascule"Do not take the name of root in vain" -- Linus Torvalds12:50
cinduxmaker of the linux kernel12:50
cinduxat something university12:50
basculeyes, he said that12:50
cinduxcool name12:50
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cinduxwho looks at a kid & says Linus12:50
FirstiLinus Torvalds was born in finland, me too :)12:51
basculetobbe: no many users can sudo but only ever one super user uid=0 root12:51
Funtotobbe: there is juste one superuser...12:51
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cindux.. I wonder if Linus was born as Tommy12:51
celerexsomeone wanna tell me why ubuntu requires i have mpm-worker installed but can't have mpm-prefork as well for apache? But mod-php required mpm-prefork12:51
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Funtoand his name is root12:51
hummmsorry i know this is off topic, but this is a helpful channel and programers linger here too. How can one tell DDD to display struct members with names?12:51
izohow can i unpack compressed ubuntu mainmod1.mod file ?12:51
theinehi, will libavcodeccvs eventually enter multiverse?12:51
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tobbecindux, A Finnish mom and dad looks at a kid and says Linus ;)12:52
Funtohummm: what is DDD?12:52
valdezhrm su does not stand for super user really12:52
theinevaldez: it doesn't?12:52
tobbeswitch user12:52
valdezsubstitute user12:53
theinei see12:53
hummmFunto: it's a front end for gdb12:53
valdezit's not just for mr root12:53
theinenice to know12:53
hummm(not that it matters)12:53
Funtoso I can't help you hummm ^^12:53
Funtoprintf is your friend...:p12:53
tobbewell, it does kind of matter... you can do 'su <what ever username>' to change to any user12:54
basculeswitch user or super user, hence sudo, maybe ..12:54
valdezdoes anyone where I can find the homepage of totem?12:54
basculesudo bascule 'some task' also works though12:54
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Funtothe page for Totem sends a 404 error :(12:55
Funtowell I'm going to sleep12:55
Funtobye everybody12:55
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tobbeI'm trying to compile a program and get this message: Checking for C header file time.h... no12:57
tobbeDid not find the header time.h12:57
tobbeWhat do I have to apt-get to get time.h?12:57
basculetobbe: depends what time.h it wants they exist for a few things, libc6-dev, glibc-dev12:59
nealmcbhow do I find out the status of a package in various ubuntu releases?  e.g. whether hplip is in hoary yet?  I.e. I'm looking for ubuntu versions of debian web pages like http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/hplip01:00
tobbebascule, How do I find that out?01:00
basculefind what out?01:01
basculeit's libc6-dev in this case01:01
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tobbeok, thanks01:02
Lethorionhi, how do I set it up so entrance is started at boot and not gdm?01:02
tobbebascule, I already have that installed01:03
randabisnealmcb, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/01:04
bascule < bascule> tobbe: depends what time.h it wants they exist for a few things01:04
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basculecould be glibc-linux-headers or a python package wxPythin01:05
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kentis there a way to make perl script executed from / in apache? i can execute them from cgi-bin, but i cant find any documents about running them from / instead :(01:05
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tobbeI'll try with stlport-dev01:07
basculeyeah, it's about narrowing down what it needs01:07
nealmcbrandabis: thanks!!01:07
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I_Need_Helpwhats a word processor I can use in Ubuntu01:08
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delltonyquestion if you have never set a root password on ubuntu how do you go about setting it? i try to su root but i can't it ask for a password but i know i haven't set up01:09
I_Need_Helpdelltony: just use 'su'01:09
tobbeI_Need_Help, try oowriter (OpenOffice.org Writer)01:09
delltonysu ask for a password01:10
delltonywhat do i enter01:10
I_Need_Helpur password you set ubuntu with01:10
delltonydoesn't work i'm telling you01:10
I_Need_Helpthen you do not know your password01:10
delltonywhat did i just say :)01:10
delltonyit was never set01:10
basculesu wants root password which doesn't exist01:10
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basculesudo su01:11
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I_Need_Helpsudo su01:11
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FLeiXiuSbascule: sudo passwd root01:11
FLeiXiuSbascule: then you can use su -01:11
basculeor that01:11
delltonygot it01:11
basculesudo su && paswd01:11
basculesudo su && passwd01:11
FLeiXiuSbascule: no..01:11
I_Need_Helpand ty for the OOwriter01:11
delltonyi got it01:11
basculeFLeiXiuS: OK, I got it...01:12
bascule<-- knows sudo su works01:12
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tobbebascule, Still can't find time.h I've got glibc, stlport and libc6 installed01:15
delltonywonder k3b has to run with sudo k3b i can't get it to do the k3bsetup and add the root pass01:15
Lethorionis it enough to just remove the gdm symlink in /etc/rc5.d and add a entrance symlink for it to run entrance and not run gdm?01:16
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LonelyRathow can i get aterm to use the font "bitstream vera sans mono" instead of an ugly bitmap font01:19
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basculetobbe: what are you trying to build01:21
basculeLonelyRat: I don't think aterm supports 2-bythe fonts01:22
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felix_1Hi all, apache2 cannot runs scripts (php; etc...) : "User not alowed to run scripts" : Someone knows what that means ?01:22
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LonelyRatxterm supports it, i thought aterm was based on xterm01:24
spinifexWhen I hit 'logout' in gnome, it takes about 5 minutes for it to actually show the dialog box where I can select shutdown/restart.  I think this may be caused by my graphics card not liking the dimming effect it's supposed to do.  I'm using Hoary.  Advice?01:24
basculedon't think any term does really konsole and gnome-terminal have a go but they look awful01:24
spinifexI already hit the button, still waiting for it to show01:24
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LonelyRatxterm looks nice01:24
LonelyRatbut i can't get it transparent and tinted01:24
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basculexterm wont do those things no01:25
spinifexmy chipset is very crappy, but I am able to play chromium and frozen bubble and armagetron straight from processor, very fast01:25
tobbebascule, I'm trying to build linuxdcpp01:25
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spinifexah, there it is01:25
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spinifexknow how I can disable the effect or something?  I don't want to wait 5 minutes while it does nothing every time I want to shutdown01:26
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spinifexhmm, actually, once I've made it show the logout thing, it will quickly load it again.01:28
spinifexany reason for this slowness?01:28
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tobbebascule, http://linuxdcpp.berlios.de01:29
spinifexrunning out of batteries, brb01:29
felix_1... sorry for re-asking: Apache2 cannot runs php scripts: "User not alowed to run scripts" : what that means ??? I am newbie in webserver instasllation-configuration01:29
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basculetobbe: needs a cvs checkout right?01:30
bascule<-- can't be bothered01:30
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ultrahexhmmmm PalmPilot Support ..01:31
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tobbebascule, yeah, it needs a cvs checkout, but it's really small. Will only take a couple of secs on a .5MBit connection01:33
aardvarkhwo do I do a reisnstall of Gnome ? on warty01:34
nealmcbrandabis: I pointed to http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/  from a few ubuntu wiki pages01:34
lupusBEcan someone tell me if gnome-vfs depends on libgnome ?01:34
lupusBEgconf seems to be without it01:34
lupusBEbut whatabout gnome-vfs?01:34
aardvarkanyone help me with reinstalling gnome ?01:35
basculetobbe: all right then ... ;)01:35
GammaRayaardvark: that's probably not necessicary.01:35
GammaRayaardvark: what's the problem?01:35
aardvarkI installed ATI drivers and know gnome is not working properly01:36
aardvarkI get login01:36
ultrahexcan someone help me with jpilot01:36
ultrahexi cant figure out what to put for "/dev/ttyUSB ..."01:36
aardvarkthen just hangs for while and pops out back to login screen01:36
aardvarkdid dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8601:37
GammaRayaardvark: so you get to the graphical login screen?01:37
aardvarkits like gnome is wacky01:37
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GammaRaycan you try creating another user and logging in with it?01:38
delltonydang how do you change the themes for xchat? i'm in small fugly mode :)01:38
aardvarkhmm let me try01:38
basculetobbe: client/QueueManager.h:174: warning: taking address of temporary01:39
basculescons: *** [build/client/ADLSearch.o]  Error 101:39
basculescons: building terminated because of errors.01:39
basculefaile anyway01:39
tobbeBut you didn't get the time.h error?01:39
ultrahexhow would i list connected devices (such as USB and serial etc)01:39
GammaRayaardvark: FYI: go to the first VT, login, then enter: sudo adduser test101:40
ultrahexbascule: ok now how would i change bus and device # to a /dev/pilot01:40
basculeno idea01:41
GammaRayaardvark: you should also check ~/.xsession-errors01:41
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ultrahexugh ://///01:41
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aardvarkGammaRay: you beut01:42
aardvarkit must be a permissions issue01:42
aardvarkchecking .xsession for my account01:43
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arbeckI'm having trouble trying to connect an external USB hard drive... I can see it when i do an fdisk -l and I have my /etc/fstab set up for it... but it won't mount01:43
GammaRayone time .Xauthority was owned by root and that caused a similar problem for me01:43
RochaDo you know the name of the program to enable drop shadows in xorg01:44
bascule~/.Xauthority ~/.ICEauthority01:44
basculeRocha: xcompmgr01:45
Rochabascule, thanks01:45
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basculeRocha: it's buggy as hell and will probably freeze your desktop01:46
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Rochabtw, can i watch divx with totem-gstreamer?01:48
Rochabascule, and dvd's ?01:48
basculeneeds win32codecs I think, or is there an open one for it now , I can't remeber01:48
Rochai can't download totem-xine (dialup connection)01:49
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GammaRaywin32-codecs is much larger AFAIK01:49
basculedvd's work for me, I use xine, I haven't had a go at totem yet, I like xine, has always worked for me01:49
basculethat gstramer thing is new and strange to me :)01:50
Rochai hope gstreamer replaces xine soon01:50
lupusBEgstreamer is still giving sync probs here01:50
basculeI dont I hope its the other way .. :)01:50
lupusBEwith audio and video :(01:50
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Neil3i have problems with gstreamer too01:51
aardvarkGammaRay: it seems that there is a lot of weird issues now with gnome01:51
basculekill esd and gstreamer bring in jackd and xine-libs for all01:51
Neil3try to avoid it if possible01:51
GammaRaydlocate says totem-xine is 2M and win32-codecs is 12M ( a little low to me)01:51
AlphaXerototem-xine doesnt come with the lidvdcss2 codec that it needs01:51
AlphaXerobesides, 12M seems a little high for a codec, not the other way around01:52
aardvarkGammaRay: how do I do a fresh install of gnome ?01:52
GammaRayAlphaXero: it includes *many* codecs01:52
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basculeAlphaXero: not one codec lots, wmv wma in there too01:52
AlphaXeroso why is totem-xine small is my point01:53
arbeckCan someone help me with mounting a usb hard drive?01:53
Underlorddoes ubuntu (non live) have any sort of firewall by default?01:53
AlphaXeroi think 2M seems about right01:53
basculeUnderlord: all Linux has a default firewall at the kernel level, apps are just front ends to that01:53
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GammaRayaardvark: the main settings files in your home dir are ~/.gnome2 ~/.gconfd01:54
AlphaXeroi installed VLC and it works pretty well for dvd's01:54
AlphaXeroif anyone is still around that had that concern01:54
ultrahexman im having so much trouble getting palm to work with UBUNTU01:54
AlphaXeroi know we were talking about it earlier01:55
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Neil3AlphaXero, totem-xine is small cos it uses xinelib to do it's stuff01:55
GammaRayaardvark: I would use mv so as to keep them just in case01:55
Neil3it's just a shell for it01:55
Underlordwell i just tried to use a java applet in firefox that connects to 8801 of a server, and it failed01:55
Underlordjust wanted to know if it was on my end01:55
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GammaRayaardvark: the reason you have to reinstall in windows is because windows usually does not seperate the settings.01:56
Neil3it really is that small :)01:56
Rochabye, this dialup connection is expensive01:56
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SeanQIt was THAT easy.01:56
SeanQI was about to go back to Fedora, but alas, it was all MY fault01:56
ubuntu2uwhere do the files that i "save to disk" go?01:56
SeanQI put in "prism2_usb", was supposed to put in "wlan0"01:57
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ubuntu2uit didn't give ma an option01:57
SeanQwhen I put in wlan0, boom, i've got web01:57
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SeanQsave to disk should go to../home/username01:57
SeanQi think01:57
ubuntu2useanq, are you having problems connecting to your internet?01:57
SeanQi was, but i was so stupid01:57
SeanQit was trivial01:57
aardvarkGammaRay: so move the gconf files and then what ?01:57
SeanQWhere are my win32 files?01:57
aardvarkrestart gdm01:57
SeanQmeaning my ntfs files01:58
GammaRayaardvark: relogin01:58
basculeSeanQ: /dev/hda1 at a guess01:58
AlphaXerook i'm starting to have fun with ubuntu01:58
SeanQNvM found in UbuntuGuide01:58
ubuntu2uare you having problems connecting to your internet?01:58
SeanQno..i'm connected01:59
ubuntu2ulol ok01:59
ubuntu2ucan anyone help me with telling me where my files go when i download them and save them to disk... it didn't give me an option. it just said save to disk02:00
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Neil3into ~ usually02:00
tobbeubuntu2u, look in /home/<username>/02:00
Neil3your home dir02:00
tommyhey, i have a problem.  i just did a fresh install of ubuntu but i cant use sudo to run commands (its asking for a password even though i havent set one with `sudo passwd root`).  what should i do?02:01
tobbejust open up a console and enter 'cd'02:01
Seqtommy: it wants your user password02:01
tobbeand then 'ls' and you should see the file you downloaded02:01
tommySeq, thanks.  i feel a lot dumber ;)02:02
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Neil3its your user password hehe02:02
ubuntu2utobbe/neil3: sorry for sounding like a noob but where do i go to get to home directory02:02
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GammaRayubuntu2u: compuer -> home02:02
ubuntu2ufound it lol02:02
Neil3in /home/ubuntu2u02:02
Neil3everything in there is your stuff02:02
Neil3your settings and personal files02:03
nalhi i was wondering if some one could tell me how to make a back up cd with stuff like ndiswrapper and other things ineed and make apt-get or sanaptic see it02:03
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arbeckI am unable to mount and external USB hard drive.  It mounts just find on my mac and and XP machine... the ubuntu box also mounts my digital camera as a USB hd automatically... can someone help me out?02:06
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cinduxback :D02:07
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cinduxanyone know what codecs i need for wmv & mpeg in Totem02:07
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cinduxeveryones quiet02:08
Civicwhere can i ask something about ubuntu?02:09
mike998_AFKbest off asking in #ubuntu02:09
Civici'm speeking from greece02:09
LinuxJonesCivic, right her :P02:09
LinuxJonesCivic, err here02:09
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Civici have installed ubuntu 4.10 in my pc02:10
Civici have a problem with my modem device02:10
cinduxexternal / internal ?02:10
Civici have an ISDN02:10
cinduxok and the problem?02:10
Civicit's USB02:11
Archonhow do you activate root?02:11
Civicthe name of the modem is02:11
CivicIntracom Netmod02:11
cinduxHave you tried Netowkring COnfig02:11
Civicthe problem is that i can't communicate with the modem02:11
cinduxGo to Computer > System Configuration > Network Settings02:12
cinduxI had to do manualy as well02:12
cinduxtakes a few seconds02:12
Civici cant find ttyACMO in my /dev/tty list for the modem02:12
Civicit has only the ttyS0,1,2,3,02:13
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cinduxhm odd02:13
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cinduxhave you posted on the forum?02:13
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cinduxI'd recommend that02:13
cinduxI just began with Ubuntu & LInux a few days ago02:13
cinduxI cant really offer any help02:14
cinduxstill learning the shell :p02:14
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cinduxhm ... #gimp is the shitty channel lol02:14
bc(sorry! typed in wrong text box!02:14
cinduxthose assholes never talk02:14
tommyanyone want to help me with getting divx support?02:15
tommythese wiki instructions arent working..02:15
trashmatichey, im a new user, and i need some help printing to a windows computer via samba02:16
trashmatici got it to work on fedora 2, but the config tools are different here...02:16
ubuntu2uwhen i download a file it won't let me open it02:18
ubuntu2ucan anyone help?02:18
ubuntu2uit says "can't display location"02:18
trashmatici mean, what needs to go in the "host" and "printer" fields? what syntax? and when i put in the username and password it gets all mangled if i open the properties window again02:18
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trashmatici can't find any documentation02:18
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arbecktrashmatic: i've always found it easier to put the printer on linux and print to it from windows02:19
cinduxget ready everyone for an extremely stupid ass question..02:19
cinduxI'm from windows, never going back... I was just wondering before i create a folder on the desktop02:20
trashmaticarbeck: i'd like to be able to do that, but because of location and family politics, it's not happening02:20
cinduxis their a DIR already on ubuntu02:20
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cinduxfor "my files"02:20
cindux"my documents"02:20
trashmaticarbeck: either i get it to print from linux, or this computer turns windows, unfortunately02:20
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wasabi_So I'm looking for a good utility of some sort to get some sort of load graph for each of my HDs... suggestions?02:21
tobbecindux, no. Just create them in your home folder02:21
wasabi_graphical, etc.02:21
brrrrtdoes anyone know if its save to uninstall and reinstall all perl packages using apt ?02:21
cinduxmy home folder would be... home/cindux ?02:21
wasabi_brrrrt, why would you?02:21
rockwilderi try to install the ati drivers with this faq http://www.melb.apana.org.au/Melb/MelbWiki/ATIRadeon9600 but i don't understand this part...02:21
rockwildermake-kpkg --append-to-version "-1-<arch>" --revision "<vers>"--added-modules fglrx-4.3.0-3.12.0 modules_image02:21
brrrrtwasabi: i seem to have broken perl modules02:22
cinduxoh, how do i list ALL files with the "ls" command02:22
cinduxls -a?02:22
trashmaticwasabi_: gkrellm?02:22
basculels -al02:22
cinduxi was close!02:22
basculeor -a02:22
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rockwildercan anyone help? ^^02:22
arbeckrockwilder, what do you need?02:22
rockwilderi don't know what i must select02:23
basculeeither -a shows . files add the l you get file info add an h you get 'human readable' file sizes02:23
rockwildersorry for my bad english02:23
basculels -alh02:23
rockwildermake-kpkg --append-to-version "-1-<arch>" --revision "<vers>"--added-modules fglrx-4.3.0-3.12.0 modules_image02:23
cinduxah icic02:23
cinduxi wanna figure out everything02:23
cinduxi went to a site for the command line introduction02:24
cinduxsays type bla bla to do bla bla02:24
cinduxbut doesnt say what it is..02:24
cinduxlike the program "less" that lets you text files02:24
cinduxdidnt tell me what less actually meant02:24
basculecindux: http://www.dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_toc.html <-- your ready ;)02:24
cinduxbeen there :p02:25
cinduxi've been using it02:25
basculetoo easy for the likes of you though02:25
arbeckcindux: i'd highly suggest getting a basic linux/unix book or printing out a guide... it's helpful and good to have around as a reference (espcially when you get stuck in vi)02:25
trashmaticcindux: there's a free book called "linux: rute user's tutorial and exposition"02:25
cinduxi have a chapters gift thingy lol02:25
SeanQwonder what i'll do with my "Fedora Core 3 for Dummies" book now02:25
SeanQI'll read it, it still gives some good general information02:26
trashmaticcindux: i have the hard copy, and it's great, everything is done on the command line and explained02:26
cinduxhm maybe ill check it out02:26
cinduxis it free + shipping or something02:26
trashmaticcindux: i think the text is free online as html or pdf02:26
Neil3this site is awesome SeanQ: http://www.linuxcommand.org/02:27
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cinduxk searchin for it02:27
trashmaticcindux: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/02:27
cinduxI downloaded several pdf's before to02:27
cinduxbut they were to big02:27
bascule01:25 < bascule> http://linuxcommand.org ;P02:27
trashmaticit's all html02:27
Neil3haha i didnt see that sorry02:28
SeanQNICE, Neil3.02:28
Neil3but that just proves how good a site it is02:28
SeanQIs there anyway I can change the Xchat theme here in ubuntu?02:28
cinduxah trash looks good02:28
cinduxthanks alot02:28
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s1amsontyping 'info' in a shell gives  good basic commands as well02:29
arbeckSeanQ, it should pick up whatever gnome theme you are running02:29
SeanQah, mmkay.02:29
SeanQWell, this black background + white font kinda clash02:29
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s1amsongoto xchat prefs, and change it02:30
arbeckSeanQ, settings->prefrences-> interface->colours02:30
SeanQooh, transparency looks good02:30
cinduxhow can i exit the terminal from the terminal ?02:30
cinduxquit / exit ?02:30
SeanQcindux, type "exit"02:30
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mike998_AFKSeanQ check out the art ubuntu forums... there are some nice examples of what you can do02:31
cinduxthe command line makes me feel powerful :D02:31
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s1amsonthe command line _makes_ you powerful02:31
s1amsonits not a false feeling :] 02:31
basculecindux: that is because it is thee mostpowerful tool in modern cmputing, without equal in any way02:31
cinduxlol :P02:31
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bascule"beware the power of the enter key" -- some dude02:32
s1amsonfunny thing, its not a modern concept, original DOS wernt none too shabby02:32
_|Immanewbie|_Hi everyone, guys I'm having trouble to partition my disk02:32
SeanQ14,211 files!02:32
arbecki cut my teeth on DOS... but i always replaced command.com with 4dos.com02:33
arbeckthat made it cool02:33
s1amson:] 02:33
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bascules1amson: been arount since 1971 or something, just never bettered, cause it does what you tell it and that is that :))02:33
arbeckCan anyone give me some advice about an external USB hard drive?02:33
Gul3hello. could my ubuntu computer been affected by a virus or something if i'm not running any apps, or heavy processes that i know of, but still system monitor says 100% cpu load and about 200 MB used memory...? this does not make any sense to me at least..02:33
s1amsonnice to be in control over your computer <bashing> than the computer in control over you </bashing>02:33
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basculeplug it in type dmesg see where it connected it mount -t auto /dev/sd?? /some/dir02:34
tobbearbeck, As in which one to get?02:34
_|Immanewbie|_Gul3 linux has no virus02:34
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bestadvocateanyone here running hoary?02:34
s1amsonyes, there are linux viruses02:34
s1amsonabout 1202:34
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Gul3slamson is right02:34
s1amsonand... all open source :P02:34
cinduxfunny, windows faces 12+ a day02:34
cinduxnew :O02:35
bascules1amson: yeah, but I challenge you to *find* me one, a real live file, I wanna see it ...02:35
arbeckbascule: the dmsg is filled with errors... it can't read the partition table02:35
LinuxJonesGul3, run top and see what is hogging your cpu02:35
_|Immanewbie|_s1amson I have never heard about alinux virus at least in the windows concept (some program that infects you and you cant see it)02:35
SeqGul3: it could be a system process in the background (like updatedb or something). open a terminal, and run `top`02:35
s1amsonfirst written was a trojan, and i could be wrong.... but its atleast 5 years old, and actually comes with a 'disinfect' command for the end user02:35
cinduxmust learn..02:35
bestadvocateanyone have problems with sound juicer crashing when you start the wrip02:36
cinduxwhat is the "end" user02:36
s1amsonbascule:  try gogle.com/linux - no need for me to do the grunt work :P02:36
Gul3i'm running top now, but i can't even see all the processes. it's so many!02:36
bascules1amson: yeah there are root kits too, guess I caould go into IRC warez land, but I'd rather not .. ugggh those people02:36
_|Immanewbie|_Does anyone here knows an alternative to partition magic?02:36
mroth_|Immanewbie|_: ntfsresize02:36
_|Immanewbie|_I need something for windoes02:36
SeqGul3: type "p"02:36
_|Immanewbie|_my partition magic says erro 11702:37
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arbeckbascule:  I need to know if there is a way to fdisk the usb drive02:37
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SeqGul3: sorry, thats a capital P02:37
mebaran151I am setting up vsftpd02:37
Gul3top -P  ?02:37
mebaran151I would like a couple of tips02:37
basculearbeck: cfdisk /dev/sda <-- or b or c or d02:37
mebaran151what contstitutes a user that is able to use ftp02:37
Gul3Seq, i'm not get you here02:37
Gul3type P?02:37
SeqGul3: just "P" while top is running, and it will sort by processor usage02:37
mebaran151do I have to add them to a special group02:37
s1amsonGul3: try ps ux (for your user only) and 'ps aux' will list all02:37
arbeckbascule: that gives me a fatal error :)02:38
arbeckbascule:  the funny thing is it works great on OSX and XP02:38
basculenot sounding too healthy, do you have front and rear usb ports? If so try the other way02:38
Gul3i'm not getting anyway.. i'm not too experienced linux user:/02:38
Gul3i get a lot of output, but i don't know what i am looking after..02:39
s1amsonGul3: what are you trying to do?02:40
Gul3free up some cpu load02:40
arbeckbascule:  I wonder if I can fix it in OSX or on an XP box02:40
SeqGul3: there is a column labelled "%CPU". By typing "P" into top, you're sorting by that column. You can look down and find the process using the most cpu, and see what it is (under the "command" column)02:40
arbeckbascule:  and then try to mount it here02:40
Gul3it says 100% without any apps running02:40
s1amsonthink top is the only cmd line tool that will give you an active cup list02:40
ubuntu2udoes ubuntu have telnet?02:41
s1amsoncould be wrong02:41
LinuxJonesGul3, you could paste the output of top to www.pastebin.ca, then post the link to the irc channel :)02:41
basculearbeck: I guess I have never used an extrernal drive, just thumbs02:41
ubuntu2udoes ubuntu have linux?02:41
cindux= /02:41
_|Immanewbie|_there is any way to "fix" my partition table?02:41
arbeckbascule: well, I had an extra 30gb drive sitting around so i spent $15 on a case and made it into an external drive02:41
cinduxit uses the linux kernel ;)02:41
fscubuntu2u, no. it's got windows02:41
cinduxso ye02:41
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fscit's the NT kernel underneath02:42
l3mi want to start vsftpd but get 500 OOPS: could not bind to IPv4 socket.. any ideas?02:42
basculearbeck: rightly so, I really dunno whats u with it02:42
basculearbeck: do you have an fstab entry for another usb device in there?02:42
Gul3how can i get the output of top to a plain text file? can't get to the bottom line02:42
ubuntu2ucan i use telnet on ubuntu?02:43
felix_1Soryy .... Really need to know whay apache2 is unable to run php scripts: The module is loaded... but "User is not allowed to run scripts"-> from error.log need help!!!02:43
basculeGul3: top -n 20 file.txt <-- that02:43
basculecat file.txt | less02:43
randabisubuntu2u, apt-get install telnetd I think02:43
basculethat ^ ?02:43
basculetelnet, shudder02:43
LinuxJonesubuntu2u, don't use telnet use ssh02:43
Gul3bascule: unknown augument 't'02:44
arbeckbascule: i don't have an entry for any USB devices... it mounts my USB camera as a drive just fine without it02:44
cinduxi asked a question b4 but was afk02:44
basculeGul3: eh?02:44
cinduxim new to ubuntu really, & just wonderin if theirs a "my documents"02:44
cinduxor folder for my files02:44
Gul3top -n 20 file.txt leavs me that output02:45
LinuxJonesfelix_1, change your php ownership with chmod ?02:45
LinuxJonesfelix_1, and make them executable02:45
arbeckcindux: just create a folder in your home directory02:45
basculeGul3: woops. command failure02:45
cinduxi dont know hoe :(02:45
cinduxif you mean the desktop, I'd rather not have it on their02:45
basculehead -n 2002:45
cinduxI like iconless02:45
arbeckcindux: mkdir documents02:45
basculehead top , I dunno,02:46
felix_1linuxjones : what ?02:46
basculenah top is a monitor02:46
arbeckcindux: cd ~ will take you to your home02:46
cinduxi know :P02:46
bestadvocatesound juicer is broken02:46
basculecindux: in firefox is that what you want to change?02:47
cinduxI just want to create a DIR off the desktop to store .html files02:47
basculeedit download directories02:47
felix_1LinuxJones: you mean if apache 2 User and grp is "www-data" then chown php-exec to this ?02:47
cinduxif I place it in /home it wont show on my desktop right ?02:47
basculemkdir ~/web02:47
LinuxJonesfelix_1, I don't run apache or php but it sounds like you need to make your php scripts executable and change ownsership02:47
cinduxbascule where would that place it ?02:47
basculeno /home/Desktop goes on the dektop02:47
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LinuxJonesfelix_1, yeah02:48
bascule~/web would be /home/cindux/web02:48
cinduxis cindux a dir ?02:48
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basculedepends on your user name ( are you taking the piss?)02:48
cinduxoh icicic02:48
LinuxJonesfelix_1, but I'm not sure 100% sure on that what does that error.log file say ?02:48
trashmaticokay, this is really troubling. i'm trying to configure cups myself, but ubuntu has disabled the web interface!? "for my protection", i'm sure, but i want to turn it on, thanks02:49
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felix_1 LinuxJones: no- you are not correct, php script files no need to be exec ... apache cannot run the script. php module is loaded but intuitively, I suspect a misconf in the apache or/and php rights02:49
trashmaticbecause the print config app doesnt work, or at least isnt adequately documented :/02:50
cinduxif im in a different dir in the term does it matter02:50
cinduxor do i have to be in /home/cindux when i do mkdir ~/web02:50
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basculeno ~ will expand to /home/cindux02:51
cinduxto much lol02:51
basculeor /home/<whoever>/02:51
ubuntu2udoes anyoen here know how to hack?02:51
basculeubuntu2u: shut up02:51
cinduxubuntu theirs really no such thing as hacking02:51
cinduxall hacking is is knowing certain holes & flaws & exposing them02:51
ubuntu2ubascule, shut up you have a small penis02:52
_|Immanewbie|_my partition magic says error 117. Ive google and found no solution =/02:52
ubuntu2uwe all know so stop hiding it02:52
trashmaticthe ~ is really quite cool, but you could always type /home/username if you rather, no harm ;)02:52
basculeI haven;t, but I suspect you said that for a reaon02:52
LinuxJonesfelix_1, like I said I don't know just offering sugggestion02:52
cinduxmkdir ~web /home/cindux ?02:52
ubuntu2ubecause i was watching you change last night when a popup came onto my computer for dad's and kids going at it and i thought to myself.... hmmm thaat kid has a small penis02:53
ubuntu2uso i quickly exited02:53
trashmaticno, you'd use 'mkdir /home/cindux/web', that means the same as 'mkdir ~/web'02:53
cinduxand to be sure... lol :(02:53
SeanQubuntu2u, NAMBLA at work02:53
cinduxmkdir = of course, make dir02:53
cinduxso many new acronyms & short forms i must learn02:54
ubuntu2uhey cindux?02:54
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incsup peeps02:54
trashmaticyeah, it takes everyone a little while, valuable skill though02:54
ubuntu2uwhat is nambla cindux?02:54
trashmaticubuntu2u, stop trolling02:55
SeanQI said NAMBLA. :P02:55
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LinuxJoneschange the topic guys02:55
ubuntu2useanq said.... nambla at work ubuntu2u i was wondering what it was02:55
s1amsonsurfing pr0n in w3m just isnt the same02:55
SeanQcindux, check synaptic for a program called 'wtf'02:55
cinduxanyone interested in webspace = /02:55
SeanQit's an ancronym finder02:55
SeanQit depends, lemme see the AUP02:55
cinduxinterested... name02:56
Civicwell bye guys02:56
Civicif i can't fix my modem problem i 'll be back again tomorrow02:56
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cinduxdirs created :P02:59
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cinduxin the "text editor" do I just save the html file as webpage.html etc03:00
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basculeno point it to the directory /home/condux/web03:00
basculeor whatever you just made03:00
cinduxI'm already in the DIR03:00
incyooo.. bascule... see any 3d people today?03:00
cinduxI just made an html file from scratch03:00
basculeinc: yes I did03:00
cinduxits not an .html gile03:00
incbascule: good deal03:01
mebaran151anyone know a good tutorial on ftp03:01
trashmaticokay, i want to tear out the ubuntu version of cups and replace it with the debian package... been a while since i used apt, so can anyone help me with that?03:01
mebaran151and how does vsftpd differentiate between local and remote users03:01
incbascule: i reverted back to warty and back to playing cds lol better than before03:01
bob2trashmatic: why?03:02
basculeinc: good idea, it wasl ooking complicated to fix03:03
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cinduxhow do i remove a file ?03:03
fallkerhey all03:03
cinduxrem ?03:03
cinduxrm ?03:03
basculerm -f file03:03
trashmaticbob2: ubuntu apparently patched it to completely remove the web interface, which i want to use because gnome-cups-manager sucks03:03
Seazzyhey, I need direction03:03
ryan_whats the key combo to kill an app ?03:03
fallkerryan_, what kind of app?03:04
ryan_xmms is hanging03:04
incbascule: well maybe i have a better change now.. i think i'm at the point where i need to configure the mixer..i typed alsamixer and unmuted pcm03:04
basculeryan_: alt f4 closes one, xkill gives a magic cursor pkill appname is another way, there are lots ..03:04
s1amsonryan_:  hanging when you load a directory?03:04
SeazzyI have just installed warty/X86, and my celeron box is freezing on me. Anyone know what's up?03:04
inci already did the modprobe stuff and that went well03:04
ryan_no, it was playing. but now it just hanged after finishing a song03:04
s1amsonperhaps it tried to play an invalid mp3?03:05
mebaran151just xkill it03:05
mebaran151the magic cursor will do fine03:05
mebaran151eventually Gnome will ask you if you want to kill it I think03:05
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s1amsonxmms is virtually bug free, any error you get with it is normally via something you tried to feed it03:06
ryan_gonna add that kill button to the panel03:06
SeazzyDoes anyone know what log I should be checking for specific error msgs regarding the unfortunate freezing of ubuntu?03:06
SeanQNo clue.03:07
cinduxsystem logs :D03:07
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cinduxi dont know anything dont listen to me03:07
cinduxbut /etc as far as i know has ubuntus system logs03:07
bestadvocatewhens the stable release for hoary due?03:07
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basculebut you rarely find much after a crash to be fair03:08
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zerathaI am trying to get Ubuntu set up on a friend's computer and I keep having problems with sound. I've tried everything recommended in the forums and wiki, so I'm stumped.03:08
Seazzyhmmn, anyone here who has had a simmilar problem?03:09
Seazzyto the freezing, not the sound03:09
scoonzeratha, what kind of sound hw ?03:09
Mr_Smileyubuntu hasn't detected my cdrom drive, there is no /dev/hdc.. any ideas?03:10
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zerathaAudigy. All the right drivers seem loaded, and XMMS plays as though the sound card were fine with Alsa, OSS, and ESD, but no sound. Real Player says the sound device is in use and the gnome-volume applet say no device found.03:10
felix_1LinuxJones: ok sorry for my late reply : you were telling that you only wianted to give me suggestions ... :-0 thanx for that ... I partially fixed my problem: module suphp was installed and seems to screwup php execution... but I get full load of php scrit errors related or not to configurations... anyway... sorry :-)03:10
scoonzerath, is there onboard sound chips ?03:11
zerathaYes, disabled in the BIOS03:11
membreyagot a problem trying to execute a configure script..getting the following two error messages03:11
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membreyachecking for working makeinfo... missing03:11
membreyachecking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool03:11
membreyaany ideas? :(03:11
zerathaOh, and all cables are connected properly. Got sound when I installed, but since updating, its gone.03:12
scoonzeratha, updated to hoary ?03:12
mebaran151how can I tell what daemons are running at any one moment?03:14
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mebaran151just daemons03:14
membreyaps --help03:14
membreya:| nvm ;)03:14
zerathascoon, no, just standard updates. It's the weirdest thing. No problem on any other machine but this one.03:15
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scoonzeratha, check alsamixer and make certain that 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack' is NOT muted03:17
zerathascoon, Thanks! That was it!03:18
fschmm..gpd is fubar on warty. i really need to upgrade gnome/gkt+ and all development libraries without going all the way to hoary03:18
scoonzeratha, in order for that to not get muted again when you reboot or log out whatever03:18
scoonzeratha, do a03:18
scoon'sudo alsactl store' in a term03:19
fsclack of decent gtk/gnome pdf viewer is annoying03:19
jdubfsc: using hoary?03:19
zerathascoon, thanks, I need to log out to see if the applet works. Thanks again.03:19
membreyaso anyone know why I'm getting checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool ? when I'm trying to configure?03:20
jdubfsc: try gpdf, but then try evince :-)03:20
jdubmembreya: look at intltool's depends03:20
fscjdub, i want to upgrade to 2.9.3 of gpdf, but i'm on warty and i need all the 2.6 gtk stuff03:20
jdubfsc: upgrade to hoary :)03:20
fscjdub, gpdf is not rendering properly03:20
fscjdub, xpdf is well...lackluster at best03:21
jdubit's not that much better in later versions03:21
jdubevince is03:21
fscjdub, envince i should try?03:21
membreyathanks for that jdub ... I did an apt-get -f install :)03:21
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fscnever heard of envince03:21
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fscme looks03:22
jdubfsc: evince03:22
jdubit'll be in GNOME 2.1203:22
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fscjdub, : cool. evince looks nice. thanks for info man03:22
fscjdub, and ps viewer integrated. me like03:23
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jdubfsc: it's designed to be a 'document viewer', so integrates a few of the existing gnome apps nicely03:23
fscjdub, is this your project? didn't you have something to do with gpdf?03:23
jdubto both03:23
jdubapart from being involved in gnome generally03:23
fscok, always see your name in gpdf changelog for some reason03:23
fscwell the gpdf site hasn't been updated in eons03:24
jdubi think martin thanked me once03:24
fscbut i definitely want to check out evince...on its web site now03:24
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fscjdub, i wonder what it'll take to get this thing running on warty.  i see packages for hoary.  i don't want to pooch-screw my system just for a pdf viewer03:25
cinduxwhats the absolute path to the desktop ?03:27
fsci'll build it from source if it doesn't rely on gtk+ 2.6 and gnome 2.803:27
membreyagrrrr damn hoary live cd giving me false hope...it got my wireless nic working without a problem...03:27
membreyacindux: /usr/home/(username)/Desktop03:27
membreyaso it's just /home/(username)/Desktop03:27
cinduxhm icic03:28
cinduxand just wonderin, I want to remove a DIR & all its contents?03:28
cinduxcan i just do rm /home/desktop/cindux/web03:28
membreyado an rm -f -R03:28
membreyamake sure u do it as sudo03:28
cindux"rm -f -r /home/cindux/web ?03:29
cinduxwith sudo in front *03:29
jdubcindux: not if you own the files03:29
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ucan anyone help me a sec with a mount ntfs problem?03:30
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s1amsoni can try03:31
s1amson:] 03:31
uok slamson03:32
cinduxhm seems like so much....03:32
uthank you03:32
s1amsondont thank me yet, i havent helped03:32
cinduxto much :(03:33
ui want to auto mount a ntfs drive03:33
s1amsonthat it?03:33
s1amsonlook at (do a search for) fstab03:33
ui have a harder question coming up after this one03:33
s1amsonand edit it03:34
u"edit it" care to elaborate :p03:34
cinduxthis cant be it03:35
s1amsongive it the same rights as any other partition, note: that if you see one with -rw - change it to -ro as you cant write to ntfs03:35
s1amsonfind fstab, and paste what it says @ pastebin.com03:35
cinduxSurely theirs a dir i can use to store my files instead of /home/cindux/dirname03:36
s1amsonno, theresnot much to elaborate on03:36
cinduxwhere does everyone store their files03:36
cinduxhtml files,movies music etc03:36
uim having trouble finding fstab03:36
s1amsonbut, considering its ntfs, it wouldnt hurt to have a look see at your current config03:36
uplease note: im fresh from migration03:36
s1amsonplease note: i dont use ubuntu :P but its a linux thing not ubuntu03:37
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ulol ok03:37
s1amsonlemme find mine03:37
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s1amsonits in etc03:38
uyes i have it03:39
s1amsonpaste it @ pastebin.com03:39
uim jus gonna do a new login as root03:39
s1amsonor... somkething03:39
s1amsonyea, you need to be root to edit it03:40
membreyawhat's the easiest way to find the file that a make install has created? :P03:40
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s1amsonpin <filename>03:40
s1amsonwell... easiest way for me anyway03:40
membreyaerm that's the thing... I can't find the name that it gave it ..I think I can but searching the harddrive shows nothing03:40
cinduxspit it out :P03:40
s1amson::shrugs ::03:40
cinduxyou know you all want to03:40
u/dev/hdc1   /   ntfs    |then what?       103:41
uslamson, i what user "glen" to be the owner03:41
s1amsonhow are we spossa help find a file that nobody knows the name of :P be smarter about it nxt time :D03:41
membreyabash: pin: command not found03:41
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tobbeCan I install stuff with apt-get from debian repositories?03:42
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cinduxWhere does everyone store their files? (text,audio,video etc)03:44
s1amsonu: mounting yourself, id mount it to /mnt/hdc1 so, in '/mnt' make a folder called windows and give it your permissions (whatever they may be) then just run as root mount /mnt/hdc1 /mnt/windows since toy03:45
s1amsonack, i edited that line alot :\03:45
s1amsonmake a folder in mnt as root, and give glen permmissions - ie: make owner etc03:45
s1amsonid call the folder windows03:46
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s1amson:: shrugs ::03:46
tobbecindux, I store my text/docs in /home/tobbe/documents and for audio/video I've go an external harddrive03:46
s1amsonmount /mnt/hdc1 /mnt/windows03:46
s1amsonshould work fine03:46
cinduxhm i was afraid of this lol03:46
cinduxi know it isnt a big deal but i like to keep things neat & brief03:46
cinduxfor example, on windows I would have C:\Cinder03:46
cinduxjus dont like how I have to dig through so many dirs to my files03:47
cinduxanyway thanks03:47
s1amsoni dont have any ntfs partitions, but heres mine for fat32 (in fstab)03:47
s1amson/dev/hda1            /windows/C           vfat       users,gid=users,umask=0002,iocharset=utf8 0 003:47
uslamson, ok cheerz mate ill try that03:47
tobbeAnd on linux you have /home/cinder/ It's only one level deeper03:47
cinduxi know :(03:47
s1amsoncheck mount --help for mount options03:48
cinduxbut i wanted the folder on my desktop03:48
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s1amsonand put those in the last part of the fstab03:48
cinduxmkdir ~files /home/cindux03:49
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incanyone know how to make sure alsa and esd are configured correctly?03:49
tobbecindux, just put the stuff in /home/cindux/whatever and then put symlinks in the desktop folder03:49
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cinduxhm sounds better03:51
cinduxwhen i use mkdir ~whatever, does it automatically assume im creating the dir in /home/cindux/03:51
cinduxor must I specify it03:51
s1amsonoh ship03:52
klimbzI know you guys are probably sick pf hearing this, but can someone please help me out in getting the grub entry right for setting up windows ,(installed on c:, with ubuntu on secondary hardrive..03:52
pepsiwhere would i look to learn how to make mp3s work/03:53
pepsifound it03:53
klimbzmy current entry is: title Windows03:53
klimbzmap (hd0)(hd1)03:53
klimbzmap (hd1)(hd0)03:53
klimbzrootnoverify (hd0,0)03:53
klimbzchainloader +103:53
tobbecindux, I dunno, just try...03:54
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tobbewon't break anything03:54
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tobbeyou won't be able to create it anywhere else if you're not root03:55
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klimbzanyone with a link to where I can get a full menu.lst grub entry for dual booting windows03:59
membreyaklimbz: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/04:00
tobbeThis is what I've got for windows: title           Windows NT/2000/XP04:01
tobberoot            (hd0,1)04:01
tobbechainloader     +104:01
tobbeit's on /dev/hda204:01
klimbzI've got my xp in c: would that be hda0 or 1?04:02
membreyait counts from 0 klimbz04:03
membreyaso if C: is your first physical drive & partition then it's 0,004:03
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klimbzmembreya: so what would my full entry in menu.lst be? sorry to ask these trivial questions but I'm completely new at this..04:04
cinduxugg i was away when people rplied04:04
cinduxHow can i remove a directory? & how can I create one in /home/cindux/dirname ?04:04
tobberemove: rm04:05
tobbecreate: mkdir04:06
s1amsonrm -rf /pathto<directory to be removed> note, there will be no chance of recovery04:06
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cinduxi tried before and made a mistake04:08
cinduxand now i have -documents04:08
cinduxor think ido ?04:08
cinduxis that their by default in ubuntu04:08
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tobbeso, rm -fdR /home/cindux/-documents/04:08
cinduxtobbe, its still their04:09
tobbemy font is a bit messed up, try:04:10
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tobbeso, rm -fdR /home/cindux/ documents/04:10
tobbetry, rm -fdR /home/cindux/~documents/04:11
cinduxthat did it :P04:12
cinduxwoo thanks again lol04:12
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cinduxi just found it odd that when i screwed up the command the first time04:12
cinduxit said no dir exist04:12
cinduxbut created -documents anyway04:12
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tobbeit didn't create -documents, it created ~documents (or you have done earlier)04:14
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ultrahexprojected keyboards are strange to write on04:21
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ubuntu2uhey guys when i download a file and try to run it from "home" it says can't run application. can anyone help me out here?04:23
mpqwhat are you trying to run?04:23
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ubuntu2ujust every file that i have downloaded off the internet04:25
ubuntu2ulike merc04:25
ubuntu2uor ad-aware install04:25
mpqyou mean a bunch of windows programs?04:25
LinuxJonesubuntu2u,  those are windows programs aren't they04:25
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tezzaubuntu2u, do some research on wine04:26
moyogoad-aware? i don't think you'd need that on ubuntu04:27
mpqI was wondering that too04:27
mpqI don't think any malicious programs would work outside of windows04:27
mpqbecause they're all windows programs04:27
moyogoone day, it might be a threat tho'04:27
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mpqmaybe, but not now04:28
moyogoin a far far away galaxy04:28
mpqnot while 99% of people use windows04:28
cinduxim in love with ubuntu04:28
mpqanyone else here running folding@home?04:29
SeanQnot 99%04:29
SeanQ3% apple04:29
SeanQ2% linux04:29
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mpqreally? that much?04:29
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giarddoes anyone know if Hoary will have a selection of backgrounds?04:30
mpqI didn't think mac was quite that popular04:30
Pinguvinwhen will hoary be released?04:30
moyogogiard: there's a monthly background04:30
danielsPinguvin: april04:30
membreyacan someone help me with doing a make on a program with my a64?04:30
giardmoyogo: ummm, something without naked people?04:31
moyogogiard: hmmm good point04:31
Pinguvinwhats wrong with naked people? :P04:31
membreyagiard: what's the point of that?04:31
ubuntu2ulinuxjones, yes those are windows programs that i am trying to run04:31
LinuxJonesmembreya, you probably need to install build-essential04:31
danielsSeanQ: according to hp, linux is now more popular than mac04:31
mpqyou need wine to run windows programs in linux04:31
LinuxJonesubuntu2u,  yeah04:31
moyogogiard: just right-click on pictures in firefox and set as background04:31
danielson the desktop04:31
ubuntu2ulinuxjones, can't they still be used?04:32
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LinuxJonesubuntu2u,  you don't need ad-aware or whatever it is04:32
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giardmoyogo: I kinda wish there was a selection of good quality wallpapers, just like XP and OS X come with04:32
SeanQooh nice04:32
SeanQsame with samsung04:32
LinuxJonesubuntu2u,  as for merc I don't know what that is04:32
membreyalinuxboy: already go it installed :\04:32
membreyaI'm getting relocation R_X86_64_32 can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC04:32
ubuntu2ulinuxjones, anything i download does not work, games,everything. it says the file path is wrong04:32
SeanQlemme restart x04:32
mpqare you trying to run .exe files?04:33
LinuxJonesubuntu2u, wht games do you want to play ?04:33
moyogogiard: i find the monthly wallpapers to be of pretty good quality, unfortunately some find the nude art offensive04:33
LinuxJonesubuntu2u, you can't run any windows applications on Linux easily04:34
gaatmxSorry if this is a FAQ but: Is there a way to add an application to the Menu?04:34
Pinguvinright click and add locator or something like that04:34
mpqyes, that's why you get the equivalent programs for most apps04:34
ubuntu2ulinuxjones, i don't think it is the files... i think there is something else messed up04:35
bcright click in Firefox doesn't give me any options for wallpaper in ubuntu04:35
ubuntu2ui'll tell you the errormessage04:35
membreyaI'm trying to add an applet..and slowly going crazy04:35
mpqanyone know of a program that would cycle through wallpapers?04:35
bcactually I can't understand why it's so hard to set background pictures.04:35
Pinguvinits not hard..?04:35
moyogobc: it does in hoary04:36
bcshould be able to right click on any image, but no, have to use the "change desktop background" thing and do a lot of browsing04:36
ubuntu2ulinuxjones, the title of the window is "can't display location" and then then it says couldn't display home/liam/****(**** is the file name) then under that it says "there was an error launching the application"04:36
GammaRayone thing I never did in IE was set the background04:36
ubuntu2uif anyone else know the problem please help04:36
Pinguvin<bc> you got a point there04:36
GammaRaybc: you can drage it to the dialog AFAIK04:37
mpqI mean like automatically change the wallpaper every day or something04:37
moyogogaatmx: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/OldFrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-17eca0f11b06e5e4489700e0d0ce4e3f5a07090e-204:37
gaatmxthnx moyogo04:37
bcyes, but there's seems to be a very short limit to the number of images allowed in there04:37
ubuntu2ucan anyone help me?04:37
bcdrag something in, something else leaves04:38
Pinguvinubuntu2u: whats the files extension04:38
bcwish the image viewer had a "set as background" option at least04:38
moyogoubuntu2u: what exactly are you trying to run?04:38
LinuxJonesubuntu2u, programs that run on Microsoft products (like Windows 95, 98 2000, XP) will not run in Linux.04:39
moyogobc: some image viewers do04:39
moyogobc: gthumb does for example04:39
membreyaanyone know an EASY way (short of programming) to get an applet into the gnome panel???04:39
bcyes, I imagine I just have to stop being lazy and check the repositories.04:39
bcbut I'm surprised gnome doesn't just build this in04:39
bcthanksd moyogo!04:40
membreyanoone here plays around with applets? :(04:42
ubuntu2umoyogo, i am trying to run anything... is there a linux website that i can go to download linux stuff to try it?04:42
bcweird, Synaptic tells me I have gtthumb installed, but I don't know where the heck it is04:42
moyogomembreya: do you mean progamming applets?04:42
lunitikmembreya: not entirely sure what you mean? right click "add to panel"?04:42
Pinguvinbc: run application > gthumb04:43
mpqubuntu2u: try downloading firefox 1.004:43
bcreally noob here, is gtthumb simply what's showing me the (really  great) thumbnails in Nautilus?04:43
mpqand make sure to get the linux version04:43
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mpqit should be a .tar.gz file04:44
membreyalunitik: that only allows you to create a launcher.. I have an embedded program to control the stepping on my athlon 64 however there's no .server file to embed it in the panel04:44
moyogobc: you need to refresh the panel, i haven't figured out how to do that cleanly, sometimes it does it by itself04:44
poisomike87I have a problem04:44
lunitikmembreya: then my guess is the person that wrote it will have to make it a functional applet  :/04:45
LinuxJonesubuntu2u, tell us what kind of programs you want to run we can tell you what "Linux Versions" or Windows programs to install if they exist :)04:45
mpqpoisomike87: just ask it04:45
lunitikpoisomike87: you going to share, or are we to guess?04:45
membreyathanks anyway lunitik...will email the guy04:45
moyogolunitik: what's the name of the program?04:46
lunitikmoyogo: huh?04:46
poisomike87When I installed ubunto when it finished i cannot boot it or windows04:46
moyogolunitik: sorry i meant membreya04:46
bcthanks Pinguvin!  and of course, now that you guys mention it, I finally notice it in the apps menu...04:46
fschmm. has anybody just upgraded gnome from the hoary repository?04:47
lunitikfsc: what issue are you seeing?04:47
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Pinguvini just installed ubuntu but i cant get any sound. how can this be fixed?04:48
fsclunitik, i haven't tried it, but these programs i want to compile, specifically evince needs gtk+2.6 and other more recent gnome libraries04:48
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fsclunitik, i'd rather just update gnome,gtk+ all its dependencies then a mass upgrade to Hoary, especially xorg04:49
lunitikfsc: I am using it... no obvious issues...04:49
fsclunitik, hoary?  what did you do, just change the repository name, apt-get update, and then apt-get dist-upgrade?04:49
lunitikfsc: why not xorg?04:49
fsclunitik, what about ATI drivers on xorg?04:50
lunitikfsc: yup... a few times... most recently just grabbed a daily snapshot...04:50
fsca few times what?04:50
lunitikfsc: hmm... I thought daniels had released ATI drivers for xorg?04:50
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fsclunitik, i have no idea who daniels is04:51
lunitikfsc: a few times did a manual upgrade to hoary.04:51
fsclunitik, oh, on various boxes then?04:51
poisomike87I cannot boot ubunto or windows grub just gives me an error 18 message04:51
lunitikfsc: daniels = Daniel Stone of freedesktop and main Ubuntu X maintainer...04:51
fsclunitik, uhmm. so it was just that easy for you?  what about the kernel, does hoary want to change the kernel?04:51
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fsclunitik, so change the repository, dist-upgrade, reboot, and everything was hunky-dory?04:52
sasquatc4i hate you s1amson04:52
lunitikfsc: depends if you have 'linux-386' etc installed... 2.6.10 is in hoary though...04:52
sasquatc4anyone got experience in here with an audigyLS card?04:52
lunitikfsc: should be, yes.04:52
s1amsonbut i love your mother04:52
ubuntu2ulinuxjones, i thought linux was so compatible with windows programs you could run practiacally anything on here...?04:52
fsclunitik, hmm. i'm scared...Warty is so perfect right now except for pdf viewer crap04:53
lunitikubuntu2u: you can run some Windows apps with 'wine' ...04:53
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fsclunitik, so what's special about Hoary?04:53
vjhi guys, someone to help me put links to applications04:53
lunitikfsc: that issue will remain (crappy xpdf instead of evince/gpdf) ... but you really won't see any issues.04:54
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lunitikfsc: very little... hence very few problems  :)04:54
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LinuxJonesubuntu2u, no, to run Microsoft programs you need software and permission from Microsoft which they won't give to the Open Source Community04:54
poisomike87Anyone know how to fix the grub boot loader to boot all I get is an error 18 message04:54
fsclunitik, with an upgrade to Hoary Gnome I would have the libs to build or even dpkg -i evince04:54
lunitikLinuxJones: you technically don't need Microsoft permission...04:54
LinuxJoneslunitik, yeah wanna bet04:54
vjhelp pls04:55
vjanyone somewhere04:55
lunitikfsc: probably yes...04:55
sasquatc4anyone gotten a kworld tv tuner to work nicely in ubuntu? all i get with all the tv apps out there is the last channel i was watching on another OS04:55
LinuxJoneslunitik, MS read an eula some time04:55
Dull404Helloo, does anyone know of any other repos for ubuntu except for the pre-defined... ftp's or similar ??04:55
lunitikLinuxJones: I have Internet Explorer here for testing purposes... call Microsoft and see if they care...04:55
moyogovj: what's the problem you have?04:55
fsclunitik, bahh. screw it. i have nothing better to do04:55
Pinguvinvj: you want to add shortcuts to the menu?04:55
ubuntu2ulinuxjones, THOSE BASTARDS!04:55
vjhi moyogo04:55
fsclunitik, except screw up my perfectly working ubuntu box04:55
lunitikfsc: nothing will get screwed up.04:56
LinuxJoneslunitik, tell them you are running Office 2000 on 10 machines using wine and see what they say.04:56
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vji loaded some application from synaptics but they don't so up in the program menus04:56
fsclunitik, ok, where are the repositories at?04:56
ubuntu2uso linux isn't good for playing games or anything like that?04:56
Pinguvinvj: they might if you log out and back in04:56
lunitikLinuxJones: actually... I did that for 30... they helped, but ended up stating "well, the issue isn't with our applications, sorry"...04:56
vji did04:56
Gul3hello, probably just another newbie question from me, but how do i execute "format c:" in linux?04:56
incso anyone good at configuring alsa/04:57
LinuxJonesubuntu2u, it depends on the company that makes the games.04:57
vjthey show up in the filesystem and i can run them from there, but can't see any icon in the apllication drop down list04:57
moyogovj: what application was it?04:57
Pinguvinvj: if you right click inside the menu, do you get add launcher?04:57
Dull404Gul3: use fdisk... if there is fdisk.. dont know just installed myself ;)04:57
vjthere are many04:57
LinuxJoneslunitik, that's not true04:57
lunitikLinuxJones: you purchase a license to run the software... you don't break the eula by not running it on Microsoft software.04:57
Gul3Dull404: that will not format the partition04:57
moyogolunitik: most of the times those games are built on top of Microsoft libraries04:58
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moyogolunitik: and those aren't free04:58
vjgrisp an accounting package, atank game, Sykpe, qtparted, firestarter.04:58
Dull404Gul3: delete the partition, and create it again ;)04:58
lunitikLinuxJones: You think Codeweavers would base a business model on having people break the law?04:58
Pinguvinvj: right click inside a menu > entire menu > create launcher04:58
Krypt0nWho uses X-Chat and has a good script to show what MP3 is playing?04:58
Pinguvinor add a launcher..04:58
Pinguvinadd new item to this menu actually :)04:58
LinuxJoneslunitik, " Visual FoxPro for Linux: A Violation of the EULA?" >> http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/113955/65/04:59
lunitikPinguvin: that won't work in the future  :(04:59
ubuntu2ulinuxjones, do you think diablo 2 which is a blizzard game will run on linux?04:59
Pinguvinlunitik: why? im a noob myself btw.. :)04:59
vjok now i am in launcher04:59
Dull404Where can i find other repos? ftps https etc etc ??04:59
vjhow do i do it04:59
LinuxJonesubuntu2u, I don't know but the Quake and Unreal Tournament series of games seem to work well05:00
Pinguvinlunitik says it wont work in the future..05:00
regeya_seriously?  one won't be able to add launchers to gnome menus?05:00
regeya_dang.  and just when I thought it was safe to use gnome.05:00
moyogoPinguvin: adding a program to the Application menu doesn't work right now in hoary05:00
regeya_oh, just a hoary issue?05:01
lunitikPinguvin: that mechanism changed in hoary... right now, there is no menu editing tool at all in hoary.05:01
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moyogoregeya_: you'll always be able to add to the panel05:01
Pinguvinthat bites :P05:01
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Pinguvinvj: did you figure it out?05:01
cinduxAnyone know the default DIR for ubuntu backgrounds?05:01
lunitikmoyogo: via the text files... sure.05:01
moyogoit's still feasable throught applications;//05:01
regeya_moyogo: not good enough, but thanks for reminding me of that05:01
cindux"/usr/share/backgrounds?" ?05:01
lunitikmoyogo: no... applications:/// doesn't exist05:01
moyogolunitik: ahhhhh!05:02
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sasquatc4anyone gotten a kworld tv tuner to work with tvtime, or any other tv tuner app?05:02
moyogoah yeah the whole new gnome-menus thing05:02
vjwell i did, i am on the create launcer have typed the name Grisbi added an icon but what should i type in the command ?05:02
lunitikworst thing about hoary at the moment.05:02
fsclunitik, ok. i changed the repository to hoary.  here goes nothing.  i'll be hunting down lunitik (can I trust that nick:)? if something goes wrong:)05:02
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LinuxJoneslunitik, what did you think of that link I posted ?05:02
Pinguvinvj: try grisbi..05:02
lunitikLinuxJones: I had a different response... but ok  :/05:03
vjok wait05:03
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ubuntu2ulinuxjones, do you work for ubuntu or w/e or are u some random gu helping people?05:04
lunitikubuntu2u: the latter.05:04
LinuxJonesubuntu2u, no, I jsut like to help out :)05:04
linux_galorehmm (tm)05:05
ubuntu2uare you guys private messaging me or is x-chat just making it yellow because my name is in it?05:05
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poisomike87I installed ubunto on a dual boot with windows now i can no longer boot windows or ubunto05:05
linux_galorethink LinuxJones is trying to get karma points05:05
LinuxJonesubuntu2u, your name is in it :D05:05
lunitikubuntu2u: your name is in the message...05:05
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fsc485 meg for the upgrade to hoary for me.  nice speeds though.  300 kB/s05:05
LinuxJoneslinux_galore, browny-points  +1 :D05:06
Pinguvini got a major audio problem. cant get any sound.. help please05:06
Dull404poisomike87: grub right?05:06
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bcanyone elso have problems with audigy nx usb2 sound hardware?  both ubuntu and mepis seem to identify the thing right,05:07
Pinguvin"sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices fond"05:07
Dull404poisomike87: im new to ubuntu myself. but for other distros u can edit it manually, try search the web for a grub howto for ubuntu05:07
fscplease tell me that wxWidgets got upgraded in Hoary to use gtk2+ finally05:07
bcbut both produce horrible distorted sound05:07
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bccould the problem be the usb2?05:08
bcoh, and the mixer thinks the audigy is outputting to headphones... weird05:09
lunitikfsc: 'libwxgtk2.5.3' depends gtk-2.0... so looks like it...05:09
moyogopoisomike87: does this relate to your problem : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogInstallNotes ?05:09
linux_galorebc: yeah thats because USB headsets in call centers are common05:09
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fsclunitik, good deal.05:09
vjwell i cannot load the application from grisbi05:09
Dull404or try this http://www.ubuntuguide.org05:10
Pinguvinanyone? :(05:11
bcdo I need some special soundblaster driver or something?05:11
membreyagrrrrrrrrrrrrrr,,,why can't I find the ndiswrapper?05:11
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linux_galorebc: could be I went to the creative website and downloaded the latest driver05:11
membreyanevermind ;) ndiswrapper.sf.net05:12
vjmoyogo ? pingiun ?05:12
bchmm, I'll look again.  I didn't think creative "supported" linux05:12
Pinguvinvj: i dont know.. im a noob myself :(05:12
linux_galorebc: they do and have for a while now05:12
incanybody good with alsa? or sound?05:12
Pinguvini dont have sound at all.. :(05:13
bcI just wish that when I get the right mixer, I could get decent sound05:13
Dull404Bc: got alsa tools?05:13
bcwhen I get good sound, I get a senseless mixer05:13
vjok i got it05:13
Pinguvingreat :)05:13
moyogovj: what was the problem?05:13
bchmmm, an alsa mixer shows up along the other one, but don't know about the tools...05:14
vjany command has to follow with ( application ) %f05:14
linux_galoreI usually just grab a SB Live OEM card cost me AU$20 works perfect with any distro of Linux05:14
vjand it works05:14
vjnow the only problem is where to get the icons from for that appplication05:14
s1amsonanyone got experience in here with an audigyLS card?05:14
bcthat's the painful irony, i recently took out my SB live card, to use the usb2 thing05:15
bcguess I'll put it back in05:15
linux_galorebc: the other card works better lol05:15
membreyahas anyone here used ndiswrapper on ubuntu?05:15
Pinguvinhow do i install alsamixer? when i try to open it it says: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: no such device05:15
vjwhere are the applications that are loaded store their icons in05:15
s1amsonyou know anything about audigy LS card?05:15
linux_galorebc: I get perfect 5.1 suround from my SBLive card05:15
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s1amsonjust like mom! :D05:16
Dull404Pinguvin: use Synaptic Package Manager. and also do "whereis alsa" in a terminal05:16
linux_galorePinguvin: alsa mixer wont work if sound isnt up and running05:16
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s1amsondont make me use bold!05:16
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Pinguvinokey.. how do i get it up and running then :\05:16
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linux_galorePinguvin: alsamixer isnt a sound setup tool it just adjusts the volume settings05:17
Pinguvini see05:17
s1amsonanyone got experience in here with an audigy LS card?05:17
bcI've never been able to get a sound card working in any computer ever without a lot of grief05:17
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bcsound cards are evil and hate me.05:17
incbc: you are correct sir05:17
linux_galorebc: just worked here didnt do a thing05:17
Pinguvinaudio worked in suse, mandrake and vida.. but not here05:17
Pinguvini dont know what to do05:18
bcare alsa tools the same as alsa-utils (which I seem to have installed)05:18
s1amsonalsa yhassnt helped my issue05:18
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Dull404bc i think so05:18
s1amsoni got everyting working but the linein05:18
Pinguvinwhat is alsa yhassnt?05:19
linux_galoremany people have the cards setup wrong I find ie they have auto IRQ set on the jumpers on the card and that can create a IRQ conflict with Linux/Windows05:19
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s1amsonits the one for the leet users that pwn a decoder ring05:19
s1amsonthx for asking05:19
bcto be fair, On my laptop, the sound is great.  Don't even know what card it is.05:19
tritiumPinguvin, what kind of machine do you have?05:19
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Pinguvintritium: packard bell g132005:20
tritiuma lot of people that don't get sound have Parallel Port interrup collisions05:20
linux_galoreIm finding all the new intel sound chipsets work fine lately05:20
incyeah well how about crystal audio?05:20
Pinguvintritium: my parallel ports are not used05:21
bcthis is my untested, incompetent theory about usb2 audio in linux:  somehow data's going through as if it were usb105:21
tritiumPinguvin, okay.  You disabled them?05:21
bcand thus distorting05:21
Pinguvinno.. i mean.. i never use them :p05:21
linux_galorebc: Im finding USB audio in Linux is one of those things that needs work05:21
tritiumPinguvin, yes, but is the "lp" module loaded?05:21
Pinguvintritium: i have no idea..?05:22
tritiumPinguvin, "lsmod | grep lp"05:22
bclinux_galore, that's a relief to hear.  ok, no more farting around, back in goes the Live value card05:22
Pinguvintritium: the parport says: 2 parport_pc, lp05:23
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tritiumPinguvin, yes, then your parallel port IS being used.05:23
tweek888anyone know how to get flash working =\05:23
Pinguvintritium: any idea how i turn it off?05:23
tritiumPinguvin, you can often disable in BIOS05:23
linux_galorebc: I use USB audio only for VoIP and in that case sound quality doesnt matter much its mono with a 200-1200hz range05:24
tritiumPinguvin, or, you can boot with kernel option "acpi_irq_isa=7"05:24
thundrcleezetweek888, sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla05:24
thundrcleezethat and other facts are available at www.ubuntuguide.org05:24
Pinguvintritium: ok.. i'll try the boot option then05:24
tritiumPinguvin, okay, that doesn't disable the parallel port, but it might solve your sound problem.  No guarantees, though.05:25
linux_galoreIve got shockwave and quicktime working with mozilla/firefox05:25
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Pinguvintritiun: booting up now :)05:26
ubuntu2utritium! your back old chap05:26
tritiumubuntu2u, hey there05:26
tritiumubuntu2u, I'm putting ubuntu on my other machine today.05:26
tritiumI killed Sid!05:26
tritiumSid won't be bothering my toys anymore.05:27
linux_galorebc: whats the USB sound device in question05:27
Pinguvintritium: i still cant turn the volume on05:27
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bcSB Audigy nx external usb205:28
linux_galoreIve got Ubunti on my Apple sMac_top05:28
tritiumPinguvin, oh.  Are your sound modules loaded?05:28
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Pinguvintritium: whats the command?05:28
linux_galoretritium: he cant get the aslamixer tool going that tells me he hasnt even got sound up and going05:29
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tritiumPinguvin, "lsmod | grep snd"05:29
tritiumlinux_galore, I see...05:29
tritiumI just got in here a while ago05:29
Pinguvinsnd_atiixp and snd_pcm_oss is set to 005:29
tritiumPinguvin, what kind of sound card?05:30
bcI can't find alsa-utils, though I've got it installed.  doesn't run from Run Application dialog05:30
tritiumbc "dpkg -L alsa-utils" to find out what files are in the package05:30
Pinguvintritium: ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller05:30
bcthanks tritium05:31
tritiumPinguvin, is that from lspci05:31
linux_galorebc: little silver box with two round adjusters on the top that one05:31
crimsunbc: usb[12]  make no difference to alsa.05:32
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Pinguvincat /proc/asound/card gives me: -- no soundcards --05:32
bcthat's it05:32
mpqwell, I'm an idiot05:32
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membreyaerm... I just overwrote my /etc/modules file05:33
membreyashould I just lsmod it and copy and paste all running modules into it?05:33
mpqI was trying to figure out why my computer was running so slow05:33
mpq...it was because I was running the folding program05:33
bclinux_galore: with both ubuntu and mepis, it sounds like worse than 8-bit audio05:33
crimsunPinguvin: snd-atiixp? That's an easy problem, more lengthy (but easy) to fix.05:33
crimsunPinguvin: you need a newer version of alsa-driver. 2 secs.05:33
Dull404what is qt called for ubuntu?05:33
Pinguvincrimsun: k :)05:34
linux_galorebc: hmm not much data on it when related it to Linux05:34
crimsunDull404: libqt3c102{-mt}05:34
tritiumPinguvin, you're in wicked-good hands with crimsun.  I'll let him take over here...05:34
Pinguvinhehe okey thanx man05:34
Dull404crimsun: for develop... libqt3-dev ?05:35
membreyaanyone? :(05:35
tritiummembreya, that would be excessive05:35
bcum, something weird just happened on my laptop; hit some wrong keys while typing here in X-chat...05:35
crimsunDull404: libqt3-{headers,mt-dev}05:35
membreyawhat do you suggest I do then since I overwrote it? :(05:35
bcand I got an error message saying something about "suspend" not being available05:35
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Dull404crimsun thanks05:36
CubicllyContainehello all05:36
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bcWhich makes me wonder, how DO i suspend, hibernate, etc a laptop?  I can't find anything in help on this05:36
crimsunPinguvin: first thing: sudo aptitude install build-essential kernel-package linux-headers-$(uname -r)05:36
CubicllyContaineI have an odd Gnome related problem if there are any takers...05:37
Pinguvincrimsun: will try05:37
crimsunPinguvin: next thing: wget http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2004/12/11/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/alsa-source_1.0.7-2_all.deb && sudo dpkg -i alsa-source_1.0.7-2_all.deb05:37
moyogoCubicllyContaine: we're here for that05:37
crimsunPinguvin: next thing: sudo adduser $(echo $USER) src05:37
CubicllyContaineWith nothing but the defult desktop running, something is accessing my HDD... seems to only be present in Gnome.05:38
CubicllyContaineIt's not much... 20k or so but every 4 seconds.05:38
CubicllyContaineCan't figure out what in the heck it's writing.05:39
Pinguvincrimson: thank you... i'll keep you updated :)05:39
crimsunPinguvin: next thing: on a separate console (ctrl+alt+F2) - or log out and back in - cd /usr/src && tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz205:39
CubicllyContaineI have noted this in a few distros using Gnome... but only on my system.05:39
crimsunPinguvin: next thing: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source   (make sure you select atiixp, not the modem one)05:39
CubicllyContainelsof is to large and hard to understand for me to pinpoint it...05:39
CubicllyContainebut it is a bit annoying... considering it writes 20k or so every 4 sec on the dot.05:40
membreyaany why isn't ndiswrapper available on synaptic???05:40
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CubicllyContaineAnyone else note this kind of activity?05:40
Dull404membreya added all repos?05:41
crimsunPinguvin: next thing: cd modules/alsa-driver && fakeroot debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)05:41
membreyamany as I can get off of ubuntuguide.org05:41
Dull404membreya, ok then i dont know ;)05:41
membreyais it available on your synaptic?05:41
Golfergood evening everyone05:41
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CubicllyContaineBTW, this is my first few hours using ubuntu... and I LOVE it. :)05:42
Dull404membreya: cant search at the mo' installing...w8 a sec05:42
ubuntu2utritium, do you know how to port surf?05:42
CubicllyContainebesides this odd HDD writes that is.05:42
ubuntu2uobviously eh05:42
Dull404membreya: found ndiswrapper-utils 0.1005:43
Golfermembreya its availabe on mine05:43
CubicllyContaineanyone? ? ?05:43
GolferCubicllyContaine not sure05:43
membreyagah..can't find it :|05:43
membreyaplus I have the added problem of I've overwritten /etc/modules :|05:44
Dull404membreya: activate all, serach/name "ndis"05:44
tritiumubuntu2u, surf?  What's that?05:44
GolferSource for the ndiswrapper linux kernel module  is this what your looking for??05:44
membreyaGolfer: got the source but that wants me to compile a new kernel...05:44
ubuntu2utritium really lol05:44
Golferah ok sorry05:44
tritiummembreya, I would just put a few modules in your /etc/modules that you might need.05:44
ubuntu2utritium i dunno05:45
tritiumubuntu2u, serious.  What is it?05:45
ubuntu2utritium, it was a stupid question05:45
tritiumoh, okay05:45
ubuntu2utritium, i mean port surf... like go from computer to computer trying to access things through different ports05:45
tritiummembreya, perhaps ide-disk, psmouse if you have PS2 mouse, mousedev05:45
membreya*cries* stupid stupid me05:46
membreyawould demsg have modules that are loaded?05:46
tritiumubuntu2u, oh...no, not really05:46
tritiumubuntu2u, I'll be back in a few...05:46
ubuntu2utritium, oh... you don't really know much about hacking or everything?05:46
ubuntu2utritium, ok05:46
Dull404will debian software run on ubuntu? ... no?05:47
danielsubuntu2u: no, and you won't find help for that sort of thing in this channel05:47
CubicllyContaineWell I'll repost my question in a bit... for now, it's more digging around in the system.05:47
danielsDull404: sort of, but all the debian packages that build at all have been recompiled and are in the ubuntu repository anyway05:47
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Dull404daniels: sort of.. hm.. ok. because then i could add repos to ftp servers holding debian software - wich are maaaany :P05:48
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oficinaI have trouble with "make" How do you troubleshoot that? http://www.pastebin.com/24125605:48
Pinguvincrimsun: Build alsa drivers with ISA PnP support? yes/no?05:48
danielsDull404: as i said, everything in debian that builds has been recompiled for ubuntu05:48
crimsunPinguvin: no05:48
crimsunPinguvin: but you definitely want oss emulation.05:48
Dull404oficina: got automake/autoconf ? good to have.....05:49
oficinano, I don't or I don't know05:49
Pinguvincrimsun: what about build alsa drivers with debugging code?05:49
Dull404daniels: so native debian wont work/stable?05:49
crimsunPinguvin: yes.05:49
danielsDull404: it's not recommended05:49
Dull404daniels: ok thanks05:50
Pinguvincrimsun: what drivers am i supposed to select?05:50
Pinguvincrimsun: atiixp?05:50
crimsunPinguvin: atiixp (not atiixp modem)05:50
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Pinguvincrimsun: select it with enter or..?05:51
crimsunPinguvin: yes.05:51
cblackhrm. okay, what's the trick to being able to edit the menus in gnome out of hoary? the option doesn't seem to be available with a right click like i'm used to.05:52
moyogooficina: you need moc05:52
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moyogooficina: you can find moc in the qt3-dev-tools package05:52
oficinamoyogo: thanks, I downloaded moc, but now I get the following message http://www.pastebin.com/24125705:53
linux_galorebc: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=237505:54
Pinguvincrimsun: i cant cd /modules/alsa-driver05:54
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crimsunPinguvin: notice that I did not type a leading '/'05:55
Pinguvincrimsun: oh! but now i get fakeroot: command not found05:55
XenguyHi - a friend is having trouble copying and pasting from OOo to an aterm terminal window -- does anyone else have any problem pasting from OO ?05:55
oficinamoyogo: any clues?05:55
ubuntu2utritium, i am going to sleep05:55
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moyogooficina: that's not the moc you need, there's a dev-tools and an audio player, you have the audio player05:55
ubuntu2utritium later man05:55
CubicllyMindedOk, here's another one....05:56
crimsunPinguvin: sudo aptitude install fakeroot05:56
oficinaXenguy: try middle clicking for pastin05:56
CubicllyMindedI can't seem to mount my USB flash stick...05:56
moyogooficina: install the qt3-dev-tools package05:56
linux_galorebc: there is also a irc channel on this server called #creative05:56
CubicllyMindedit works on most other distros...05:56
moyogooficina: remove the moc you have first of course05:56
Xenguyoficina: yes, that is standard, but it doesn't work for him for some reason05:56
CubicllyMindedI get an "wrong fstype" error...05:56
linux_galorebc: and its an official channel according to creative http://opensource.creative.com/05:56
crimsunbc: what are you trying to get working?05:56
CubicllyMindedbut I've defined the fs correctly.05:56
NuuBcrimsun: thank you for your help last week (online now with the modem)05:57
tritiumubuntu2u, I'm back.  Oh, and good night.05:57
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Pinguvincrimsun: now i get. cd: modules/alsa-driver: no such file or directory05:57
CubicllyMindedIs there a problem with usb_storage and/or via chipsets in this release (4.10) with the latest k7 kernel?05:57
oficinamoyogo: I will try that right now05:57
crimsunPinguvin: pwd05:58
Dull404I installed k3b... how can i get it on the program list?05:58
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crimsunNuuB: excellent! :)05:58
Pinguvincrimsun: pwd gives me /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver05:59
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crimsunPinguvin: so you're in the correct directory. Time to run that long fakeroot command again.05:59
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Pinguvincrimsun without the cd thing then?06:00
CubicllyMindedso yah, as I said... anyone having trouble with their usb storage media (external HDDs or flash sticks)???06:00
slavehello all !06:00
linux_galoreno USB is fine here06:00
oficinamoyogo: apparently the qt3 thing is installed.06:00
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moyogooficina: what does 'moc -v' print at the command line?06:01
oficinamoyogo: "moc: invalid option -- v06:01
oficinamoc 1.1.006:01
CubicllyMindedlinux_galore, cool... just getting a feel for bugs.06:01
NuuBcrimsun: all i needed to do was remove the gateway address which ubuntu set by default during the install (your suggestion that it was in network settings pointed me in the right direction and it wasn't too long before i figred out that it was the gateway address)06:01
linux_galoreCubicllyMinded: usb sound needs work though06:01
da_bon_bonto upgrade to hoary, must i do a upgrade, or a dist-upgrade06:01
crimsunPinguvin: correct06:02
Jimbobslave: no need to yell, just run "apt-get install tcsh"06:02
moyogooficina: moc 1.1.0 is the audio player, the one you need is Qt Meta Object Compiler06:02
Jimbob(as root, I should say)06:02
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slavethanks jimbob, i will try06:02
moyogooficina: what does 'dpkg-query -s qt3-dev-tools' print?06:02
Pinguvincd modules/alsa-driver && fakeroot06:02
Pinguvindebian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)06:02
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oficinamoyogo: well, how do I get it? apparently qt3 dev libs are already installed06:02
da_bon_bonto upgrade to hoary, must i do a upgrade, or a dist-upgrade06:03
Pinguvincrimsun: looking good so far06:03
moyogooficina: it's qt3-dev-tools, it's extra tool on top of the libs06:03
CubicllyMindedlinux_galore, well my usb flash drive works wonders in other distros... but gives a buffer i/o problem with this current setup. Odd.06:03
moyogooficina: use 'sudo apt-get install qt3-dev-tools'06:03
Aeon_anyone know how to check what version of ubuntu was installed?06:04
oficinamoyogo: well if tools<>libs, then I don't have it then, I will get it.06:04
da_bon_boncrimsun: thanks06:04
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linux_galoreCubicllyMinded: I havent tried one of those larger flash drives on my machine yet06:04
crimsunAeon_: /etc/issue has it. Barring that, check the version of libc6 installed.06:04
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crimsunAeon_: (e.g., dpkg -l libc6|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}' )06:05
SBSPi'm brand new to linux and just installed ubuntu.. simple question... how do i connect to the internet?06:05
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cinduxyour internet may have already been connected for you06:05
slavejimbob, got errror message: "E: Couldn't find package tcsh"06:05
cinduxtry opening firefox06:05
Aeon_crimsun: thanks06:05
SBSPi did open firefox.. it was not connected06:06
Pinguvincrimsun: is there anything else i need to do when the fakeroot thing is done?06:06
cinduxwhat type of connection do you have ?06:06
crimsunPinguvin: yes, cd ..06:06
SBSPdialup.. on a winmodem06:06
Jimbobslave: What version of ubuntu are you running?06:06
crimsunPinguvin: then install the .deb that you created06:07
Aeon_crimsun: it returned: 2.3.2.dsl-13ub06:07
Pinguvincrimsun: how? :\06:07
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SBSPdevice manager seems to ecognize the modem06:07
crimsunAeon_: so you have Warty06:08
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cinduxgo to Computer > System Config >06:08
cinduxthen networking06:08
sasquatc4anyone know where to find the CARDLIST in kernel documentation, im following the troubleshooting for tvtime and i dunno where to look for my tv tuner card listing06:08
tritiumPinguvin, dpkg -i, followed by the name of the package06:08
cinduxenter your password if it asks you to etc06:08
cinduxok now under the COnnections tab06:09
cinduxclick Add +06:09
Pinguvintritium: i dont know the name of it06:09
cindux+ Add *06:09
SBSPi alreadt set that up06:09
slavejimbob,i Download Ubuntu 4.10 "The Warty Warthog"06:09
SBSPusername and password06:09
tritiumPinguvin, it ends in .deb06:09
cinduxWhen is 5. coming out ?06:09
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tritiumPinguvin, it may be in a higher directory.  If you don't see it, cd .. and look again06:09
cinduxSBSP which ste are you on ?06:10
slackd00ddoes ubuntu have kde? or just gnome06:10
cinduxgnome by default06:10
SBSPconnection is set up..06:10
slackd00dso if i download the warty-release-install-i386.iso  it will have kde06:10
SBSPwon't dial06:10
tritiumslackd00d, no, not on the CD.  You'll have to install it later if you want it.06:11
slackd00dok thank you06:11
linux_galoreslackd00d: its on the servers06:11
Pinguvintritium: theres a alsa-modules package in the modules folder.. that one?06:11
CubicllyMindedneed to log out and in... one sec06:11
tritiumPinguvin, yes, that's what you were building, right?06:11
slackd00djust curious..im downloading it now to see what all the fuss is about   =)06:11
Pinguvintritium: i dont remember :)06:11
tritiumPinguvin, you know about tab-completion?  If the filename is really long, start typing the first few letters, and hit Tab.06:12
cinduxSBSP make sure you've entered all the information correctly06:12
cinduxone wrong number or a space will ruin it all06:12
Pinguvintritium: thanx!!! :D06:12
SBSPi am sure.. this is the 3rd time i've tried it06:12
tritiumPinguvin, that way you don't have to type in the whole file name :)06:12
Jimbobslave: Ok, do you have the "universe" and "multiverse" sources in your repositories list?06:13
tritiumPinguvin, did it install?06:13
SBSPdoes ubuntu come with mvdial?06:13
slavejimbob, i will check06:13
Pinguvintritium: yep its done06:13
cinduxnot sure06:13
SBSPi suspect it doesn't have the drivers for my winmodem.. it has a conexant chipset06:14
Pinguvincrimsun: is that it?06:14
Jimbobslave: There should be a line in /etc/apt/sources.list that looks like this --> "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe multiverse" <-- at least the "universe multiverse" stuff at the end.06:14
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crimsunPinguvin: after you've installed the deb, the easiest way is to reboot06:14
slavejimbob, thanks ! i will check on it06:15
Pinguvincrimsun: will do06:15
cinduxThe stupid tube screensaver06:15
cinduxfreezes my pc06:15
cinduxevery single time06:15
sasquatc4i installed the kernel documentation, but i cannot find it anywhere, where does apt actually install it to06:15
linux_galoreSBSP: aah yes conextant only offer free driver version thats crippled or an un crippled comercial driver06:15
linux_galorethe un-crippled on is $$$06:15
ellsdoes anyone know of a good way to copy a dvd in linux06:16
SBSPi see... so they sell the drivers? that doesn't sound very ethical06:16
cinduxrub the dvd on a blank cd06:16
ellscindux, yes06:16
cinduxuntil they tranfude06:16
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cinduxlol im just really tired06:16
linux_galoreSBSP: well creative dont want to support Linux..they are a bit like asus with there heads up there proverbial06:16
Pinguvincrimsum: I LOVE YOU!06:17
ellsIs there a good program or way out there to copy dvds06:17
SBSPbut you said they make drivers..06:17
crimsunPinguvin: enjoy your music. :)06:17
Pinguvinim so happy right now :D06:17
Pinguvinthank you so much06:17
Pinguvintritium too06:17
tritiumPinguvin, :)06:18
cinduxdumb question from newb ubuntu :P06:19
cinduxBesides Themes06:19
Pinguvini need to save this convo so i know what to do the next time.. but how ?06:19
linux_galoreSBSP: always just grab the driver off cough peer to peer cough06:19
Dull404what is a good cd/dvd writing tools for ubuntu? and movie/mp3 player ? totem player crashes when i try to play.....06:19
cinduxI just want to change the color when you select something or hover ?06:19
cinduxin ubuntus case the light brown06:19
sasquatc4i installed the kernel documentation, but i cannot find it anywhere, where does apt actually install it to06:19
SBSPah yes  i see a company, linuxant makes drivers for the conexant chipset, a crippled free version or a full version for 15 bucks06:19
Dull404cindux: theme?06:19
cinduxI meant besides themes?06:19
cinduxis their anyway I can just edit that ?06:20
cinduxI don't even know how to create my own06:20
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Dull404cindux: yes, look at themes, and you can select whatever u want to change.. list.. etc06:20
SBSPthe modem isn't even worth 15 bucks.. are there any modems you'd recommend for linux use?06:20
moyogooficina: does it work now?06:20
slackd00ddamn the u.s. mirrors are fast...im steadaly downloading at 377KB/s06:20
Jimbobsasquatc4: If you use synaptic, there's a tab in the package description called "installed files". You can also run "dpkg -L package-name" from a terminal06:21
linux_galoreSBSP: any externals work fine06:21
Dull404cindux: theme details06:21
cinduxsee i saw that & thought it was just detailed info about who made them etc06:21
SBSPserial or usb?06:21
cinduxthanks man06:21
oficinamoyogo: I'm still on it. I'm on dialup, and I'm a bit clumsy, so I take a little longer than others. Thanks for keeping up with me though06:21
linux_galoreSBSP: serial06:21
sasquatc4Jimbob, thanks06:21
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linux_galoreSBSP: get a second hand serial v92 for about $1006:21
Dull404cindux: np. standard gnome thing ;)06:21
cinduxncix.com :D06:22
cinduxSB you in Canada?06:22
linux_galoreSBSP: yeah ebay or ask a buddy or ask on your local LUG list06:22
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linux_galoreSBSP: if you lived local you could have my old dial up modem for $1006:22
membreyawell .. I can't be bothered recreating my /etc/modules file since I overwrote it...quick question, when I download modules and updates...are the files stored locally?06:22
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slavejimbob, only "restrict" inside sources.list, this file is read only06:23
SBSPso.. ther's no such thing as a serial winmodem?06:23
linux_galoreSBSP: yeah some USB modems are but I hvant heard of a "serial" winmodem06:24
SBSPone more thing... i can't read my windows partition fronm ubuntu06:25
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linux_galoreSBSP: is it ntfs06:25
regeyawell, the winmodems don't contain a working UART IIRC; the serial port runs off a uart, so you're cool there06:25
linux_galoreSBSP: should be able to read it fine06:25
SBSPok reg  thanks06:26
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Dull404i cant install mplayer with synaptic.. is there another good movie player (for xvid,ac3,mp3) ? xine?06:26
SBSPwhen i open /mnt.. it is empty06:26
cinduxcrap lol06:26
slavejimbo, how do i edit this file ? read only !06:26
cinduxwhat are the default icons in ubuntu ?06:26
regeyait may say 'freebsd' in the url, but it's a decent enough link06:26
cinduxCrux right ?06:26
SBSPdo i need to mount the win partition or something?06:26
farruinnDull404: I like xine06:27
tezzacrimsun, you around mate?06:27
membreyaanyone know where the files are downloaded to when I do an apt-get? or do they get deleted?06:27
crimsuntezza: aye06:27
Dull404cindux: the one on top.... i think06:27
linux_galoreSBSP: sudo mkdir /mnt/windows && mount  -t  vfat/dev/hda1  /mnt/windows06:27
farruinnmembreya: /var/cache/apt or something like that06:27
Dull404farruinn: great. im getting it06:28
membreyachamp :)06:28
linux_galoreSBSP: minor typo sudo mkdir /mnt/windows && mount  -t  vfat  /dev/hda1  /mnt/windows06:28
duduse dpkg -L <package> to see where the installed files goes06:28
SBSPahh  ok ty LG06:28
regeyaI stand corrected; not all winmodems lack a uart.06:28
farruinnmembreya: they're only deleted if you do an apt-get clean06:28
regeya(though that's weird)06:28
HappyFooli thought it was something to do with the filtering / DSP stuff too06:28
linux_galoreSBSP: did you look under /media06:29
membreyacool..going to burn then delete06:29
SBSPmine has a dsp controller06:29
cinduxjust in case i screw something up06:29
regeyaif I ever see a serial-based winmodem, I will smash it with a large rock06:29
membreyaif I want to restore the files once I've reinstalled do I just add the cdrom as a rep in /etc/apt/sources.list?06:29
SBSPi'll try that too lg06:29
cinduxwhen in desktop preference > fonts06:29
cinduxis their a way to simply revert them all06:29
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SBSPthanks so much for your help06:29
linux_galore<-- hasnt dual booted windows in 3 years so is rusty lol06:29
sasquatc4is there anyway to force an rmmod command? im tryin tto get my tuner working and it wont let me remove the one currently in use to try a new one06:30
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linux_galorethough though Ubuntu created a mount point for windows (fat##) automatically06:31
sasquatc4nm its just -f, wierd though that my modprobe arguments seem to not even have an effect06:31
linux_galoreone happy customer just left06:31
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membreyafarruinn: when I reinstall ubuntu, do I just add the cd with the archives to my /etc/apt/sources.list file?06:32
farruinnmembreya: do you mean a cd that you burned?06:33
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membreyafarruinn: yup...just burning the archives now06:33
farruinnbecause you would've needed to have included a couple of important files to use the cd as an apt repository06:34
membreyaoh? like what?06:34
farruinnas it is now, you'll just have to dpkg -i *.deb06:34
membreyadamn new operating systems :|06:34
farruinnthere is an apt repository howto on debian's website, I don' thave the specific link06:34
membreyaonto it now farruinn, thankyou so much for this :)06:35
Jimbobslave: You can edit it via the "sudo" command (e.g "sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list")06:35
Jimbobslave: If your user has the ability to edit that file, it'll prompt you for your username.06:35
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moyogooficina: that newdocms thing looks interesting. what do you need it for?06:41
HaroldI'm on hoary right now and to make mounted volumes in /media appear using nautilus as a desktop I have to restart hal each session, did nautilus do that automatically in warty or am I missing something somewhere? :)06:41
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oficinamoyogo: ok, I guess I managed to install the tools now. I check by doing "echo $QTDIR" and I get the response "/usr/lib/qt3/". Apparently there is a "moc" file at "/usr/lib/qt3/bin". HOWEVER, I *still* get the moc error! http://www.pastebin.com/24126706:42
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oficinamoyogo: It is the closest thing to a usable Document Management System implement the Liquid FileSystem theory I have ever como close to in months and months of research.06:42
oficinamoyogo: and it's abandoned!06:43
oficinamoyogo: I have been at least 8 hours trying to install this and satisfying dependencies.06:43
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moyogooficina: it sounds a bit like storage http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/index.html06:44
slavejimbob, i got it to edit, i can install anything, except csh and tcsh06:44
oficinamoyogo: You might get mad at me by what I'm about to say. To be honest, I'm currently trying to do this installation in Mandrake 10.1, not Ubuntu.    I have Ubuntu installed too, but I've heard it's a big hassle to get KDE working. Not to mention this thing. However, I have gotten used to finding very knowledgeable and helpful people at this channel, so I apologize if I'm abusing of your help06:45
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pepsianybody get java working?06:45
pepsiinside of firefox06:45
pepsiit works, but applets cant get keypresses06:45
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oficinamoyogo: It is a cousin of storage. Except it integrates directly into every single app open/save dialog box, making it very useful to implement it with computerphobe users.06:45
oficinamoyogo: storage is more like a natural search engine/winfs/spotlight field, but it does not let you manage the files per se.06:46
oficinamoyogo: ...at least, as far as I know06:47
oficinamoyogo: I'm pulling my hair already! I tell you, I've been at least 10 hours tyring to get this to install.06:47
moyogooficina: true... i hope we go in that direction06:47
moyogooficina: it seems rather annoying, eh06:47
oficinamoyogo: what is annoying?06:48
moyogooficina: mmm, maybe add the /usr/lib/qt3/bin to your $PATH06:48
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membreyaone final question before I format...why does the install CD detect and attempt to use my wireless card but once ubuntu is installed it isnt able to load it ?06:49
oficinamoyogo: as long as you keep pumping up suggestiions I can manage to keep hope. Thanks. Sounds dumb, but... how do I do that?06:49
oficinamoyogo: ...meaning, how do I add the path06:50
oficinamoyogo: ok, I think I found a way06:50
NuuBi thought i installed apache2 but i tried both "apachectl status" and "httpd -V" at the command line (as sudo) and it returned "command not found" both times - where am i going wrong?06:51
oficinaexport PATH correct me if I'm wrong06:51
moyogooficina: correct06:51
moyogooficina: or 'set PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib/qt3/bin06:51
moyogooficina: actually, i'm wrong, your way works better06:52
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moyogooficina: it's rather strange that mandrake doesn't have moc in its path06:53
oficinamoyogo: Hallelujah! It seems it's moving forward again! brb, I'll keep you posted06:53
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slavejimbob, i took out all #s, now working ok06:54
oficinamoyogo: ok, make is chuggin away. I wonder if all that output to the screen is good or bad.06:55
oficinamoyogo: damn. probably bad. It spit out a lot of stuff at the end again. brb06:55
hybridi am having a problem with gnome when i log into gnome normal it only opens the terminal thats it but when i go into gnome failsafe wvwrything but the application button works06:55
hybridany help?06:55
hybridgrr <---- needs sleep if you cant tell by my typing06:56
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oficinamoyogo: Here's the new output. Apparently this time it has advanced a bit more, but still chokes in the end http://www.pastebin.com/24126906:57
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oficinamoyogo: Might be that frustration is blurring my eyes, but I can't seem to easily spot the troublemaker this time? Or does this mean it was able to finish the make?06:59
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stuNNedwhoa, the new update system rocks compared to fugly synaptic, what's it written in?07:00
moyogooficina: it seems make finished clean07:00
mpqis it weird that I just use the terminal to update?07:00
moyogooficina: i mean well07:00
oficinamoyogo: really??!!?? woohooo!07:00
oficinanext step then07:01
farruinnmpq: honestly, I usually only open synaptic when someone asks for help on it07:01
Jimbobslave: groovy07:01
oficinamoyogo: I guess I shouldn't fret over those yes for Ada/C/ObjC but not C++ messages07:01
mpqI've never even opened synaptic...07:01
oficinamoyogo: brb07:01
moyogoi find synaptic useful for browsing07:02
moyogosee what's new07:02
oficinamoyogo: ok, please corroborate with me that the make install has no major issues either http://www.pastebin.com/24127507:06
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sasquatc4how do you really force rmmod to stop a module from running, im working with my tvtuner and even after i do an rmmod -f, i still get a picture in tvtime, which shouldnt happen if its actually removed07:07
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tweek_i have another stpid question o.007:08
cinduxAnyone knoe if theirs a command or something that basically removes all history?07:09
tweek_how do i get root on my ubuntu?07:09
farruinntweek_: use sudo, and read the RootSudo wiki page07:09
Amaranthtweek_: use sudo07:09
tweek_thanks :)07:09
oficinamoyogo: Ok, part 2 out of 3 has been completed (about 12 thorny hours later, but hey, at least there's movement forward)07:09
cinduxtweek_ also if you want to have an entire session as root07:10
cinduxinstead of typing sudo each command07:10
cinduxsudo su07:10
tweek_can i set myself to root by default?07:10
xskoulaxis hoary going to use x-org?07:10
Amaranthit already does07:10
tweek_so whenever i log in im root07:10
farruinntweek_: that is a very bad idea07:10
xskoulaxAmaranth, was that directed at me?07:10
Amaranthtweek_: Any bug in any application can wipe our your entire harddrive if you're running as root.07:11
farruinnthere is the root terminal option in Computer>system> or somesuch, but generally being root all the time isn't good07:11
Amaranthxskoulax: Yeah.07:11
xskoulaxthx Amaranth07:11
cinduxhe lies07:11
cinduxlog in as root amsp07:11
tweek_il jsut do sudo su07:11
moyogooficina: yeah the make install seems fine too07:11
Amaranthtweek_: Most of the Windows worms and trogans and such wouldn't work as well or at all if people didn't run as Administrator there. Same thing applies for Linux systems.07:12
Amaranthtweek_: sudo -s -H07:12
tweek_ok ive gained root and im still getting the same error =\07:12
Amaranthtweek_: That gives you are root terminal and sets your $HOME variable to the correct value.07:13
AmaranthWhat error?07:13
tweek_im trying to put plugins in mozilla07:13
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GammaRaywhat good is root if you lose your user?07:13
tweek_and it says permission denied07:13
moyogooficina: what's the third part?07:13
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Amaranthtweek_: Not possible if you're running as root...07:13
tweek_well would root only apply to the terminal?07:14
GammaRaysudo -s starts a single shell as root07:15
Amaranthnope, any program run from a root terminal would be running as root too07:15
oficinamoyogo: Part 1 was installing sqlite. Done. Part 2 was installing the libnewdocms libraries I just finished installing. Now I'm going to Part 3, which is installing the actual GUI file dialogs. From these instructions, how thorny do you think it will be? Following is the README file for the next step http://www.pastebin.com/24127807:15
GammaRayit does not effect anything else07:15
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tweek_well im not runnig a program im just trying to copy&paste into /usr/lib/xmms07:16
tweek_and mozilla07:16
sig_ubuntuGammaRay: are you ok?07:16
Amaranthtweek_: copy&paste?07:16
Amaranthtweek_: You need to use the terminal.07:16
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tweek_i have a feeling,this will take a while07:16
Amaranthtweek_: sudo cp whatever.ext /usr/lib/xmms07:16
tweek_is there a hotkey to start terminal?07:17
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sig_ubuntutweek_: are you using gnome or kde?07:17
oficinamoyogo: Before I go on, I want your expert opinion. The Readme file suggests downloading the source code for the KDE libraries the author used *at the time* of creating the software. Should I use current source code, or should I hunt the old version?07:18
sig_ubuntuyes there is07:18
sig_ubuntudesktop preferences > keyboard07:18
duddo Desktop -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts07:18
sig_ubuntuyou know it wouldn't hurt you to try and figure this non ubuntu stuff out.07:18
tweek_well i hit my head pretty hard today =\07:18
oficinamoyogo: his link to the KDE code of years ago, is, unsurprisingly, 40407:18
GammaRaysig_ubuntu: him?07:18
GammaRaysig_ubuntu: hmmm? rather07:19
moyogooficina: hmmm, this looks like it's gonna be tricky07:19
oficinamoyogo: I'll start diggin the path (I'm currently at http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/kde/pub/kde/unstable/latest/src/ )07:19
oficinamoyogo: yeah, I noticed *eeek*07:19
GammaRaysig_ubuntu: "am I ok?" whats07:20
moyogooficina: it might be easier porting newdocms to the new kde07:20
oficinamoyogo: But I've worked so hard to get this far, I wanna give it a try07:20
NuuBi installed apache2 and stuff the docs say to look for are not there - can someone please help?07:20
moyogooficina: then find the source for the kde of the time07:20
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GammaRayconstant typos don't make one look any saner07:20
moyogooficina: but you can try with the current one first07:21
oficinamoyogo: c'mon. Look at me. If I have had this much trouble just following instructions, what do you think are the odd *I'm* gonna be able to port the thing?07:21
tweek_to copy multiple items in the same place to the same folder is cp blah.so,blah2.so?07:21
moyogooficina: time will tell ;)07:21
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tezzahas anyone been able to get their laptop to suspend/hibernate ?07:21
farruinntweek_: no, maybe cp *.so [destination dir] 07:21
GammaRaysig_ubuntu: just trying to be prophetic07:21
oficinamoyogo: thanks for the pat on the back. You don't know how much I appreciate encouragement at this moment07:21
moyogooficina: it wouldn't be that hard, all you need to do is figure out what changed in kde's code to do the port07:21
moyogooficina: actually this should work with any kde 3.x07:22
oficinamoyogo: To be honest, I really don't know how I could find that out. What I do know though, is that the KDE project source code is many times larger than the Linux kernel itself. That's enough to put me off07:23
moyogooficina: so no porting required anytime soon07:23
oficinamoyogo: whew! thanks!!!!!07:23
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oficinamoyogo: Ok, his link isn't working, so I'm gonna go digging for an alternate path, to see if I can find something that sounds like it.07:24
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oficinamoyogo: I will keep the chat window on top in case you say something. brb07:24
tweek_farruinn that worked but it says the folder isnt there =\07:25
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tweek_is terminal case sensitive?07:25
moyogoyou can always find kdelibs' source at http://www.kde.org/download/07:25
farruinntab completion is your friend07:25
moyogooficina: you can always find kdelibs' source at http://www.kde.org/download/07:25
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oficinamoyogo: thanks. that seems to work better than http://download.kde.org07:26
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oficinamoyogo: nevermind last sentence07:27
GammaRayMy school server kicks me off after a few hours of inactivity. Any tips for stopping this? It's HP-UX and I'm logging in w/ ssh.07:28
XenguyGammaRay: you could set up a recurring ping - that's one idea07:29
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mebaran151I reinstalled Hoary to clean some info off my hdd07:29
mebaran151clean format07:29
mebaran151now Evolution works07:29
mebaran151but ALSA doesnt07:30
mebaran151anybody have any ideas?07:30
mebaran151how to make sound come out07:30
calamarianyone compiled shfs on Ubuntu?  I'm not sure how to compile a kernel module.. it's telling me "make[3] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop."07:30
XenguyGammaRay: e.g. -> ping -i 240 domain.com > /dev/null &07:30
tweek888woot its working :)07:30
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GammaRayXenguy: that's if I have the privs07:30
XenguyGammaRay: not sure what you mean07:31
XenguyGammaRay: I know, but what privileges don't you have to ping a server? :-)07:32
GammaRayon my home box I can't ping w/out root.  ping has to be suid root07:32
XenguyGammaRay: ls -ld `which ping`07:33
decklincalamari: get kernel-package and kernel-source-*, read the directions first07:33
GammaRay-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 31K 2004-08-12 17:17 /bin/ping07:34
GammaRaythat's default ubuntu07:34
farruinnerm, that doesn't require you to be root...07:34
GammaRayno.. but it is suid root07:34
XenguyGammaRay: same as mine - and I can ping with non-root user07:34
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tweek888are the wine servers down?07:35
calamaridecklin: I have those packages.. which directions are you referring to?07:35
XenguyGammaRay: if it is suid root already, what is the problem though?07:35
mebaran151damn ALSA07:35
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mebaran151I checked my modules07:35
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LucaBrasiwhat's array 4?07:36
decklincalamari: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz07:36
GammaRayXenguy: never said there was one (-: just that I have a box in which ping isn't suid root07:36
Amaranththe name of the release07:36
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AmaranthLucaBrasi: jdub said the real challenge was figuring out what array stands for07:36
AmaranthI was too tired to do it, maybe you could? :)07:36
danielsAmaranth: it's on the wiki, i'm sure07:36
GammaRayanyways.. on the school server ping is executable by me and suid root, but it's just not in my PATH07:37
mebaran151My ALSA setup failed after a reboot and reinstall07:37
calamaridecklin: thanks07:37
XenguyGammaRay: your speech is confusing - you say you have suid root /bin/ping on your Ubu box, then you say you have a box in which ping isn't suid root -- well, which is it?07:37
mebaran151all the moduels look like they are loaded07:37
mebaran151and the mixer is ok07:37
GammaRayXenguy: I have two boxes07:37
danielsarray : hoary :: sounder : warty; hedgehog : hoary :: warthog : warty07:37
LucaBrasiwhats the diff between warty and hoary07:37
XenguyGammaRay: are you root on both?07:37
GammaRaysure.. but one of them is directly connected to the net and I'm fine w/ typing sudo ping on it07:38
Amaranthdaniels: That doesn't explain much. :P07:38
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XenguyGammaRay: I'm giving up on you, sorry -- if you want good help, then you need to be clear, and not force those trying to help you to decipher your statements07:39
LucaBrasiwhats the diff between warty and hoary ? and is hoary just a beta ?07:39
AmaranthLucaBrasi: Name of the release.07:39
chillywillywhen are we going to have an hplip package for ubuntu?07:40
AmaranthLucaBrasi: The first version was called warty warthog, the second one is called hoary hedgehog.07:40
LucaBrasiit says on ubuntu.com that hoary is gonna be released in april 2005, but the url in topic shows that hoary is out already ..whats the deal? is it the final or just a test?07:40
AmaranthPerky Penguin creeps me out, btw.07:40
crimsunLucaBrasi: 4th milestone is out. See the topic.07:40
chillywillyit's a "development" version07:40
AmaranthLucaBrasi: It's an unstable release that they need people to test.07:41
GammaRayXenguy: my only request for help was about staying on my school server when I'm idle. Tis all07:41
chillywillyi.e., not the official release07:41
Amaranthit's an official release, just not a final one ;)07:41
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calamaridecklin: I'm still not sure how to get shfs to compile.. any pointers would be most helpful07:41
LucaBrasiok I see07:42
XenguyGammaRay: I'm aware of your problem -- it's trying to find a solution where we ran into 'vagueness' -- I've already offered what I can anyway, so that's all I have to say07:42
LucaBrasihow stable is the 4th milestone?07:42
LucaBrasiand can u upgrade to final hoary later?07:42
decklincalamari: i forget, is shfs a patch or is it in the mainstream kernel these days?07:42
mebaranmy sndcard is an emu10k107:42
AmaranthLucaBrasi: It's pretty good and yes.07:42
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mebaranand it is not working07:42
calamaridecklin: I don't know.. I downloaded the shfs gz off sourceforge07:42
mebarandespite the fax both the mixer and the modules are set properly07:42
roybattiusanybody have problem getting ndiswrapper to work after a hoary upgrade?07:43
decklincalamari: it should have its own README then. you'll probably have to patch the kernel sources.07:43
crimsunmebaran: what does /proc/asound/modules contain?07:43
LucaBrasinoticable difference between warty and hoary ?07:43
calamaridecklin: the readme tells me to type "make".. but it doesn't work because it's looking for a "module" rule that doesn't exist07:43
calamarierr "modules" rule07:43
mebaranI dont have modules07:44
mebaranexcept as a file07:44
decklineither you or the readme are skipping a few steps :)07:44
mebaran/proc/asound contains Audigy2 card0 cards devices hwdep modules oss pcm seq timers version07:44
calamaridecklin: yeah, I think so.. :)  shfs seems like it'd be really cool, though07:44
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calamariAmaranth: if I can get it to compile, it should allow me to mount a remote filesystem via ssh07:45
decklinit looks like you can simply install kernel-headers-2.6.10-whatever and compile the module outside of the kernel source tree07:45
LucaBrasiguys whats the main difference in ubuntu .. other words, why aren't there million+ distros out there sufficient? what's new/better in ubuntu?07:45
GammaRayXenguy: I was just mentioning that perhaps the HPUX server might not let me ping as my own box does not. Then I discovered ping was just not in my PATH. problem solved.07:45
decklinor should be able to. i don't know why their makefile doesn't have the rule that their documentation is telling you to run.07:46
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XenguyGammaRay: excellent :-)07:46
crimsunmebaran: try and answer my question, please.07:46
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mebaranI did07:46
mebaranmodules is a file07:46
GammaRaywell I ran this.. well see how it goes in a few hours07:46
mebaranI can not cd into it07:46
GammaRaywhile true; do /usr/sbin/ping www.google.com -n 1 ; sleep 3600 ; done &>/dev/null &07:46
crimsunmebaran: I'm asking you to list its contents.07:46
crimsunmebaran: I'm not asking you to change working directory into it.07:47
decklincalamari: shfs-source is in debian/unstable. has it hit hoary/universe yet? (i am not on my ubuntu machine)07:47
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mebarancrimsun, sorry07:47
mebaranso should I cat it?07:47
crimsunmebaran: yes07:47
mebaran0 snd_emu10k107:47
mebaranthere you go07:47
mebaransorry about that07:47
Drizzt321I am looking to try installing ubuntu onto an amd64(with the amd64 version) on the new nforce4 motherboard. I have 2 sata disks on the nvidia ports with nvraid in raid0, however the sata_nv does not see it as '1' disk, but the 2 seperate ones. anyone else run into this problem? anyone hear anything about this issue?07:47
crimsundecklin: yes, 0.35-1 is in universe.07:47
mebaranI am easily confused07:47
decklincrimsun: try doing it that way.07:48
crimsuncalamari: ^^07:48
calamaridecklin: not sure.. downloading the linux-headers package so synaptic is busy atm07:48
XenguyGammaRay: or as a cron job (?)07:48
mebaranDrizzt321, I had the same problem07:48
mebaranthe problem is07:48
mebarannvraid is really software raid07:48
tweek888is xmms just like winamp or music only?07:48
Drizzt321mebaran: yea, the nvraid is pretty much software07:48
mebaranwith a speical windows driver07:48
mebaranwe dont have a linux driver yet07:48
mebaranto read the bios07:48
Drizzt321mebaran: oh. my. so basically it don't work on linux.07:49
mebaranso you cant run the raid that way07:49
GammaRay~> crontab -e07:49
GammaRaycrontab: you are not authorized to use cron.  Sorry.07:49
Drizzt321mebaran: damnit. well, thanks.07:49
mebaranjust use the linux kernel raid07:49
mebaranor use dynamic disks07:49
Drizzt321mebaran: ermm...won't work. this would be dual boot07:49
XenguyGammaRay: ah well07:49
mebarandynamic disks07:49
mebarancan be over partitions07:49
farruinnwow, people need to learn to hit enter less in this channel07:49
mebaranand linux usually has the modules to read them07:49
Xenguyfarruinn: heh07:49
Drizzt321mebaran: hrm?07:49
calamaridecklin: synaptic says "0.35-1 (warty)" in the versions tab07:50
mebaranIf you are running XP, you have a kernel raid07:50
mebaranjust like Linux has a kernel raid07:50
Drizzt321mebaran: hmm...maybe NCQ is not worth the overhead of the software raid...so perhaps the silicon image raid would be better?07:50
Drizzt321mebaran: ahhh, gotcha, thats how it does it.07:50
mebarankernel raid is doable just in a partition07:50
mebaranSilicon Raid hs the exact same problem07:50
mebaranexcept I think redhat has a utility to work with the raid bios07:51
mebaranit would be a pain to load and install though07:51
Drizzt321mebaran: both are pretty much completely in software?07:51
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decklincalamari: appears to be the latest version. install that and shfs-utils. the -source package should have instructions on building .debs (you'll need kernel-headers installed of course)07:51
mebaranvery much so07:51
Drizzt321mebaran: crap.07:51
mebaranhardware raid07:51
mebaranis very very expensive07:51
mpqxmms doesn't play mpeg-4 audio does it?07:51
marcohow can i install xmms on my ubuntu07:51
tweek888i think it is07:52
tezzahow would i mount a smb share so that a specific user can have read/write to it?07:52
Drizzt321mebaran: yea, I know. I just thought the SI chip would mask it a bit better. I know that on my old board my promise controller(for ide) would 'hide' the fact that it was seperate disks. or was that just the linux driver working?07:52
mebaranDrizzt321, but kernel raid is better anyway07:52
mpqmarco: open a terminal, and type "sudo apt-get install xmms"07:52
mpqwithout the quotes07:52
mebaranpromise might store the driver in bios07:52
mebaranthe nv and SI drivers07:52
mebaranare in the kernel07:52
calamaridecklin: yeah.. it says to type "make deb".. but that fails in the same way as "make"07:52
mebaranpromise may have managed to put in directly in the bios code07:52
mebaranso that when you made a hdd call07:52
decklintezza: mount -o 'uid=1234,gid=56789' ...07:52
Drizzt321mebaran: the odd part is, I think I noticed that, at least under windows, the response with disk access was actually a whole lot less...which I thought was odd07:53
Drizzt321mebaran: but this explains alot07:53
tweek888mpq is the synaptic packedge manager close to the effect as " sudo apt-get"?07:53
mebaranit would call the bios07:53
mebaranwhich would call the driver07:53
mebaranprobably hard to do07:53
farruinntweek888: yeah, synaptic and apt are both frontends to dpkg07:53
mebaranbut it would then be universally platform able07:53
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mebaranDrizzt321, if you really want raid07:54
Drizzt321mebaran: heh, yea, but why would anyone want to do that07:54
mebaranjust use kernel raid07:54
decklincalamari: are you sure you should be calling make directly? building modules packages generally involves going through debian/rules.07:54
mpqI think it's the same thing07:54
mebaranit does the same job07:54
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mebaranmostly as fast07:54
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mebaranand over partitions07:54
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mebarananybody got any ideas on my sound problems07:54
mebaranin alsa07:54
Drizzt321mebaran: I'm just thinking, since it 'feels' slower in windows(which _may_ stay my primary gaming platform), I might just switch back to non-raid07:54
tezzadecklin: how do i find out the uid/gid?07:55
crimsunmebaran: sound stuff is lost in the scroll, it's easier if you join #alsa07:55
Drizzt321mebaran: since when I'm doing multiple access read/write to the disks, it just slows everything else down07:55
marcoi already did that07:55
mebarandid not know that07:55
marcobut the terminal says than the package isnt available07:55
decklinid(1), or look in /etc/passwd.07:55
marcobut also says that there's another package that references xmms07:56
calamaridecklin: that's what the instructions say to do.. they don't mention Debian anywhere.07:56
calamaridecklin: actually, the package wit hte sources doesn't even have docs at all, except a changelog07:56
calamariterr the debian package with the sources07:56
calamariman I can't type straight right now.. sorry07:57
decklindid you untar /usr/src/shfs-whatever.tar.gz?07:58
decklinyou may need to look in modules/shfs/debian there.07:58
tezzadecklin: i did that but within the mounted dir now it says 1001 100107:59
tezzaeven though i set uid and gid to 100007:59
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decklintezza: no idea. sorry.07:59
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NuuBwhere the heck is httpd?? nothing seems to fit the standard paths in the apache docs (example: the docs say "apachectl" but the system has "apache2ctl") how the hell is a novice supposed to get anywhere when stuff on the system is not the same as in the docs?? i installed ubuntu because i read it was geared more towards novices, but this is becomming infuriating. please, please, will someone help me??08:00
calamaridecklin: /usr/src/modules/shfs/debian has these files: changelog, compat, control, control.modules.in, copyright, rules, shfs-module-_KVERS_.postinst.modules.in08:01
farruinnperhaps you haven't installed it?08:01
calamaridecklin: thanks a lot for your help, btw :)08:01
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ryan_what package is distutils in ?08:01
decklinNuuB: in ubuntu, every service is controlled via /etc/init.d/nameofservice. for example, /etc/init.d/apache2 start to start apache.08:01
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marcmhey there08:02
marcm anyone wanna buy an almost brand new A64 3200+nForce 3 mobo (1 week old)?08:02
DAC1138ill buy it if there's a 100% rebate08:02
Dull404im getting an error when trying to compile.... i cant understand whats wrong....08:02
Dull404checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp08:02
Dull404configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check08:02
decklincalamari: no idea. standard procedure is (from /usr/src/modules/shfs-whatever) fakeroot debian/rules binary08:03
calamaridecklin: so I type simply "fakeroot"08:03
crimsunDull404: sudo aptitude install build-essential08:04
decklinfakeroot debian/rules binary08:04
decklinagain, i really have no idea, that's just the *usual* way08:04
decklinkeep looking for docs.08:04
calamarioic.. thanks..08:05
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JimbobNuuB: You can start/stop apache with /etc/init.d/apache2 {start,stop,restart,reload,force-reload}08:05
calamariif I type rules without being fakeroot it seems to do something!08:05
JimbobNuuB: The executable itself is /usr/sbin/apache2, IIRC08:05
decklincalamari: yes, it will fail eventually though. fakeroot *is* necessary.08:05
JimbobNuuB: There's never been an httpd on debian systems as far as I know (certainly not in my usage)08:06
Dull404crimsun: thanks, i hope this will work.. otherwise i dont know whats wrong....08:06
calamaridecklin: aha.. got it.  what do I do after running debian/rules ?08:07
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decklinif it successfully created ../shfs-*.deb, dpkg -i it08:07
fscok, hoary migration complete after only about an hour or so of downloading and reverting back to ndiswrapper-1.1008:07
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fscwell, except for xorg08:07
tweek_hello o.008:07
marcmnight all08:08
tweek_when i try ./configure it tells me to downgrade/upgrade,... i dont know how08:08
fsclunitik, so it wasn't too bad except for the ndiswrapper problem.  i guess you have to do something else to upgrade to xorg08:09
decklintweek_: when you ./configure what? give us the exact error please.08:09
tweek_want me pm you the error its big08:09
calamaridecklin: this is the output of debian/rules: I've been configured using: - Kernel source of /usr/src/linux - Kernel version of - Kernel revision of unknown - C compiler of gcc - Make options of - Version is 0.35-1 - Cosmetic version is 0.35-1 - Maintainer is calamari@localhost.localdomain - Package name is shfs-module- - Target directory is /usr/src/modules/shfs/..08:09
decklintweek_: #flood08:09
Dull404crimsun :: thank u! it worked!08:09
decklincalamari: looks fine so far08:10
calamaridecklin: Idon't see any deb files tho08:10
NuuBdecklin & Jimbob: "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start" did nothing - i did "less /etc/init.d/apache2" and it said that it basically runs apache2ctl - but /usr/sbin/apache2ctl points httpd to /usr/sbin/apache2 which is not there08:10
decklincalamari: paste the rest of it in #flood08:11
xskoulaxlittle off topic but, which would be better 2x512mb ram or a single 1gb stick? for an amd64 system i'm planning to build?08:11
JimbobNuuB: Do a "ps ax | grep apache", and see if it's actually running.08:11
calamaridecklin: that was the complete output :)08:11
fscxskoulax, definitely 1 gig stick.  i have a gig now and if i want another i have to buy two gig sticks now08:12
NuuBJimbob: nothing08:12
fscxskoulax, but that's just on my laptop, so your mileage may vary since i only have two slots i believe08:12
JimbobNuuB: The other thing to ensure is that you've got these packages installed: apache2-common, apache2-mpm-prefork, and apache2-utils installed08:12
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xskoulaxi should have 4 slots08:12
fscxskoulax, you probably do08:13
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fscxskoulax, of course if you ever want more than 2 gig then you might have a problem if you go with the 2x51208:13
xskoulaxyea i'd thought of that08:13
NuuBJimbob: i recall installing apache2-common, not sure about the other 2 - is there a way to check?08:13
xskoulaxbut i don't see me needing more than 2gb08:13
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fscheh, it's amd64...you never know :)08:14
xskoulaxand if i go i can always replace 2x512 with 2x2gb to wind up with 3gb08:14
JimbobNuuB: "apt-get install apache2-common apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils"08:14
xskoulaxumm 2x1gb even08:14
JimbobNuuB: Or "apt-cache showpkg <pkgname>"08:14
Archondoes 'df' display the swap partition08:14
xskoulaxyea i think i'll go with the 512mb sticks at least then i should be good on pairings08:14
stuNNedanyone else have their internet connect slow to a crawl with ubuntu hoary?08:15
crimsunworks fine here.08:15
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decklincalamari: do you have module-assistant installed?08:15
JimbobNuuB: At the the top of the apt-cache output there should be a version number followed by a "(some_long_uri_like_filename)(/var/lib/dpkg/status)"08:15
decklini notice the shfs .deb mentions that.08:15
stuNNedcrimsun: thanks08:15
JimbobNuuB: If the "(/var/lib/dpkg/status)" part isn't there, then it isn't installed08:15
calamaridecklin: checking... yes08:16
JimbobAlternatively, you could just open the "Package Manager", click the "search" button in the toobar, enter "apache2" --> anything with a green box next to it is installed.08:16
linusthepenguinAnyone know how to enable php4? I got the packages installed... any configuration I have to do in apache2.conf or otherwise?08:16
Dull404mark for removal & complete removal.... in synaptic, whats the difference?08:16
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crimsunDull404: remove versus --purge remove08:17
decklinDull404: the latter purges your configuration files.08:17
Jimboblinusthepenguin: mod_php or php-cgi?08:17
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Dull404crimsun ah so config will be left with removal and not "complete removal"08:18
Dull404decklin thanks08:18
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calamaridecklin: module-assistant was able to do it! :)08:20
calamaridecklin: very cool program... thanks for mentioning it08:20
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linux-rulzIs there anyone else here that compiled XFCE 4.2 on Ubuntu?08:21
crimsunlinux-rulz: yes.08:21
OrcristI have08:21
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linux-rulzcrimsun: did you notice that if you put the optimization settings on (i used the graphical installer) that XFCE was very unstable08:21
crimsunlinux-rulz: no, I've been cleaning up the debianized source08:22
linusthepenguinJimbob, general php... I suspect mod_php... Trying to run wordpress...08:22
Orcristmine didn't seem unstable, and I used optimizations for both the main package and the add-ons one08:22
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OrcristI've got it installed on the box next to me in fact... using it for a project I'm working on08:22
linux-rulzparts of my desktop wouldnt load, a bunch of other crap was broken, so I created a new user, same thing happened, so i compiled it without optimizations and it seemed to work better08:23
fscjdub, thanks for the heads up on evince.  it seems to render better than gpdf...it better since i just upgraded to Hoary for it :)08:23
NuuBJimbob: ok, apache2-common is installed, apache2-mpm-prefork nothing came up under versions, and it was unable to locate apache2-utils08:23
Orcristwhat parts/problems did you have?08:23
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Orcristdid you install the GTK engine as well or just the basic package?08:23
fscanybody notice that About Ubuntu in the Desktop menu doesn't work08:23
mindphasrfsc: Works fine for me08:24
fscmindphasr, About Gnome works for me08:24
linux-rulzOrcrist: I installed the packages in the order in which they said to. First the main XFCE package, then the gtk engine package, then xfce-toys and then the terminal emulator....all compiled from source08:24
mindphasrfsc: Its a link, it opens up your default browser08:24
Orcristspeaking of pdf reading... I downloaded some pdf tax forms with gpdf... and while the forms were designed to let you fill them out locally and print them... gpdf seems to lack this function08:25
Orcristworked fine on a windows box using adobe reader08:25
JimbobNuuB: Ok, run "apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork" to install that (that package provides the actual apache2 executable).08:25
Orcristdo you have to enable that or is it just a caveat of gpdf?08:25
fscmindphasr, why wouldn't it do what About Gnome does? it doesn't open a browser08:25
linux-rulzOrcrist: you have to download acrobat reader for Linux from Adobe's website08:25
mindphasrfsc: Go ahead and write a about window if you like08:25
fscOrcrist, I just installed Hoary just so I could use evince08:25
Orcristlinux-rulz, right:  you must have used the tutorial for ubuntu08:25
Jimboblinusthepenguin: To ensure you're using mod_php, you need to install libapache2-mod-php408:25
mindphasrfsc: It does open a browser. It's a link to file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html\08:25
mindphasrfsc: It does open a browser. It's a link to file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html08:25
fscmindphasr, ok, you're right08:26
fscmindphasr, my bad.  i thought it would do what About Gnome does08:26
Jimboblinusthepenguin: It should put "php4.conf" and "php4.load" symlinks in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/08:26
Orcristfsc, does evince let you do that kind of thing? it really made me mad that I had to print them and then fill them in by hand, when the whole reason I d/l the pdf was to have clean forms that were typed in08:26
linux-rulzOrcrist: no, i just went to xfce.org, clicked on graphical installers and it sent me to another site and then it said there what order to do them in08:26
fschah, i didn't even see it open08:26
Jimboblinusthepenguin: Then it's just a matter of restarting apache2.08:26
fscOrcrist,  the evince guys seem to be on the ball as gpdf development stagnated so you might want to give it a try.  it's like 500k download if you're on Hoary08:27
Orcristwell, linux-rulz, if you did it that way there shouldn't be a whole lot of difference... the ubuntu tutorial basically tells you the same thing as the xfce one does but it's a little more intuitive08:27
Jimboblinusthepenguin: For php-cgi, you need to ensure cgi.load/conf symlinks exist in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled.08:27
Orcristfsc, not on hoary yet... just going to wait until april to upgrade08:27
Jimboblinusthepenguin: I'd recommend mod_php, personally.08:27
Orcristbut when I go there I'll give it a look08:27
Orcristsounds nice08:27
Jimboblinusthepenguin: It's faster than php-cgi.08:27
linux-rulzhmmmm....oh well, i was more curious than anything, XFCE seems to be running fine without the optimizations, and i obviously dont notice a speed difference because i have never used it with the optimizations.08:28
Orcristlinux-rulz, on decent hardware you probably won't notice anything... I used a p2 350 box for xfce and it made a significant difference08:29
Orcristif you've got a fairly modern system, you're probably just fine without the tweaks08:29
linux-rulzAMD Athlon XP 2200+ with 512 MB RAM, so it is fairly good, albeit a bit dated08:29
OrcristI like xfce though... nice and clean... very light08:29
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Orcristthe interfaces are less than intuitive for some things... but I've yet to find an interface from windows to gnome to kde to fluxbox to whatever that has everything down pat... interfaces are a matter of personal preference08:30
linux-rulzOrcrist: exactly, i like the way it autohides the taskbars...it just seems cleaner than the windows, kde and gnome ways of doing it. There probably isnt much difference. probably just my imagination08:31
Orcristlinux-rulz, you can also use cool things like gdesklets on xfce... it's compliant08:31
FLeiXiuSOrcrist: you can use gdesklets also on gnome ;-)08:32
Orcristso you can get a little eye candy and a slick environment and still save the overhead08:32
Orcristaye FLeiXiuS, and I do08:32
OrcristI was just happy to find they played nicely with xfce as well :)08:32
linux-rulzis that what they mean when they say it complies witht he freedesktop.org specs?08:32
Orcristbecause the box I run it on (mostly as a backup box for when I'm in full-screen game mode and want chat/teamspeak/wahtever) only has 128 megs of RAM08:33
Orcristwith xfce running and mozilla, xchat, and teamspeak running the total commit for memory was around 70 megs08:33
Orcristand used next to zero swap08:33
linux-rulzUbuntu should offer a trimmed down version of Ubuntu with XFCE called "Ubuntu Lite" or something like that for people with slower computers08:33
NuuBJimbob: it came back with "Package apache2-mpm-prefork is not available, but is referred to by another package."08:34
Orcristlinux-rulz, you may see ubuntu offer something like that in the future... they try to focus on ergonomics and user-friendliness08:34
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FLeiXiuSHave you seen the slackware install /08:34
FLeiXiuSI love the install for slackware, one of the bests out there08:34
OrcristI wouldn't be suprised to see an installer with options for one of 3 or 4 window managers as default in the future.. but right now they're focusing all their support on gnome08:34
jdubOrcrist: that won't happen08:35
FLeiXiuSNot only was it nice, but it alowed you to select between 7-8 window managers08:35
jdubkubuntu is coming08:35
Orcristoh really, jdub?08:35
Orcristthat's very cool08:35
jdubFLeiXiuS: that certainly won't be happening in ubuntu08:35
OrcristI figured you guys were getting around to adding other things08:35
farruinnhaha, which is the polar opposite of xfce ;-)08:35
jdubi think xfce sits between gnome and kde08:36
linux-rulzi dont understand why they focus so heavily on kde. most distros are already centered around kde, the ubuntu devs should instead release the XFCE Ubuntu or some other lightweight WM/DE.08:36
jdubit's light, sure, but there's a heck of a lot of clicky-clicky stuff on the screen08:36
FLeiXiuSi think flux sits between them 208:36
OrcristI'd be inclined to agree to that, jdub, esp considering their "kde/gnome support engines"08:36
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JimbobNuub: You're using warty?08:37
danielsFLeiXiuS: allowing you to choose between window managers is fantastic, and we should certainly encourage it.  *making* you choose between window managers is a showstopper bug, not a feature.08:37
jdublinux-rulz: 'the ubuntu devs should...'? what are you going to do?08:37
membreyacan I do ONE install without something screwing up08:37
NuuBJimbob: yes, warty08:37
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FLeiXiuSdaniels: I concur08:38
Orcristyou have a point daniels, but I think as an 'expert-only' option or something you get the flexibility withotu forcing the user to choose if they want a simple, intuitive install08:38
farruinnyou're going to fit multiple window managers on one install cd? good luck08:38
linux-rulzlol, donate money...cause i couldnt code if my life depended on it. all my code would be rewritten cause i would do it shitty (lol, at least im honest)08:38
JimbobNuub: Umm, it's in the "main" repo, it should be available.08:38
FLeiXiuSfarruinn: It's definately possibly08:38
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Orcristof course, you could go the windows route and have the user choose between crappy XP interface number one or... oh wow, crappy XP interface number one08:39
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JimbobNuuB: Search for a line in /etc/apt/sources.list that looks something like "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main..."08:39
membreyaanyone had any trouble installing nvidia-glx?08:39
membreyagetting a clash with  xorg-driver-fglrx08:40
linux-rulzjdub: by should i also meant "In my opinion it would be smarter to do such and such" not "this is what i demand of them right now!"08:40
NuuBJimbob: if things were going that smoothly for me, i may not have had to resort to asking for help on IRC, ya know?08:40
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jdublinux-rulz: mmm, but what are you going to do? :)08:40
ubuntu_how can i get KDE? sudo apt-get install kde says that kde does not exist08:40
Orcristmembreya, everything okay in your xorg config?08:41
NuuBJimbob: searching...08:41
linux-rulzjdub: ummm...did you read my post further up? I said in plain english how i was going to contribute...you must have missed it08:41
membreyalooks to be orcist..its still using the nv driver08:41
jdububuntu_: enable universe08:41
membreyaits conflicting at libGL.so.1.xlibmesa08:41
membreyawas just about to suggest repos jdub :P08:42
randabisyou should sudo apt-get install kde-core not just kde08:42
Orcristmembreya, post your error messages in #flood... I had a similar problem when I switched cards last time08:42
randabisunless you want 50 billion lines of bloat08:42
linux-rulzjdub: hmmm...apparently with free software i no longer have the right to make a suggestion...those pro-proprietary people were right, open source steals your rights in unseen ways08:43
membreyadone Orcrist :)08:43
NuuBJimbob: it is commented - i will uncomment it08:44
membreyaany suggestions Orcrist ?08:44
JimbobNuub: Ok, after you do that run "apt-get update", then "apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork"08:44
mebaranI have an Alsa problem08:44
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NuuBJimbob: k08:45
jdublinux-rulz: better than suggestion, you can *contribute*08:45
jdublinux-rulz: that's hundreds of times more powerful08:46
Orcristwell... this isn't quite like the problem I had... but you could try renaming the fglrx mesa lib to fglrx.libmesa.foo.old or whatever08:46
maximausgood morning from Sweden. :D08:46
Orcristand see if that clears it up08:46
membreyathought so ..didn't want to hurt my system AGAIN08:46
mebaranAnyone know how to clear the alsa mixer lock file and settings08:46
membreyagod ...like 2 hours ago I overwrote my /etc/modules :|08:46
ubuntu_thanks jdub08:46
ubuntu_now to remove gnome...08:47
Orcristthe restricted modules don't like to play together very nicely... I had the reverse of your problem.. i had to hide some of my nvidia stuff to keep fglrx from finding conflicts08:47
maximausI'm running the Ubuntu live CD in the Eggers Hotel lobby and no one's the wiser.08:47
IRCMonkey_Can anyone help me in setting up the sound card? ac '97 on via  vt 823508:47
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linux-rulzjesus bloody christ, i said in plain friggin english, me donating money would be a lot friggin easier and more resourceful then actually contributing cause i cant code worth shit....would me donating my house and car make you happy?08:47
mebaranAnybody want to help troubleshoot a weird alsa mixer problem08:47
Orcristin fact, something was loading my nvidia modules before it ever got to fglrx... and that was zero fun08:47
jdublinux-rulz: no, donating is less effective. you know that i don't code, right? :-)08:48
Orcristlinux-rulz, contributing can be something as small as accurately documenting a bug when you find it and submitting it to a respective package/distro's bugzilla08:49
danielslinux-rulz: language, please08:49
Orcristthat kind of thing is invaluable08:49
Orcristand doesn't take much effort even08:49
maximausIRCMonkey_, I'm also having sound card issues with my cousin's computer. Away from it at the moment--what's a quick way to find out what model the sound card is?08:49
mebaranwhat module does it use08:49
linux-rulzwell i do all that....i never said i didnt08:49
membreyagoing to go to a console....i cant get red of that error message08:50
maximausmebaran, excuse me I'm at the hotel at the moment08:50
Orcristthen you're already contributing a little... so feel good about that08:50
Orcristand send your donations to me instead :) i'm poor08:50
maximausLOL so I'll log in late on his box. :P08:50
maximausrunning Ubuntu on the Hotel's puter :D08:50
mebaranto find out quickly you have to sort of be sneaky about it08:50
mebaranyou could open the computer08:50
maximaustell me more08:50
mebaranyou could just look at the gnome device manager08:50
maximausI'm such a knucklehead--where do you find it in the device manager?08:51
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Orcristmaxiamaus... you could also shell into the computer and type lspci or lsmod to find out the info/module on it08:51
maximausOrcrist, thanks! It's probably an on-board, so I guess lspci wouldn't help. I'll try lsmod and report back with ya'll.08:53
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dudor lshw just to be sure to catch it no matter what08:54
Orcristlspci might still do it maximaus, as many on-board soundboards are still integrated into the pci bus08:54
mebaranon board sound08:54
danielsOrcrist: er, you do know ubuntu has a 'custom' option (now named 'server' for hoary) that allows you to totally customise your install in terms of which packages you use, right?08:54
maximausgotcha :D08:54
mebaranis 99/100 oing to be AC 97 sound08:54
mebaranif it is not some exotic mother board08:54
mebaranit is going to be ac 97 sound08:54
mebaranor at least ac 97 sound will work08:55
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Orcristdaniels, yes.. I've installed it that way recently in fact... gave me a really tiny base install that I used to build a custom setup08:55
dudyeah... absolutely...08:55
maximausI'm on vacatin and don't have my little cheat sheet with me for shell commands. :P Thanks all.08:55
mebarananyone know what could be wrong with my set up08:55
mebaranI have an emu10k1 card08:55
mebaranAudigy 208:55
mebaranthe mixer looks fine08:55
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tweek_i learned howto compile08:55
danielsOrcrist: ahr, cool08:55
danielsOrcrist: well, if that's what you enjoy, then more power to you, but i don't want to have to pick up the phone and explain to my mum what a window manager is when she's installing ubuntu :)08:56
IRCMonkey_Help me please!!!! i want to configure my sound card. ac '97 oni vt 823508:56
tweek_should work by default08:56
tweek_i beleive08:56
dudone exlamation point will suffice....08:57
danielsIRCMonkey_: should just work by default -- mine (also vt8235) certainly did08:57
tweek_and one period.08:57
Orcristlol not suggesting that :)  I was suggesting that the default install could do just waht the default install does now... but another 'custom' option would allow you to select something like fce-only.. without having apt-get the stuff08:57
IRCMonkey_mine is not working....08:57
Orcristthe warty custom option gave me a base system... but unless you know what you're doing from there you're kind of stuck in a few ways08:57
tweek_if warty was a women =\08:57
tweek_watch out08:57
danielsOrcrist: mmm, interesting, but if you know enough to be picking which window manager you want to install and that you absolutely don't want to install gnome, you probably know how to install from a base system08:57
ubuntu_how do I get rid of all traces of gnome?08:58
tweek_why :(08:58
maximaususe Xandros...08:58
tweek_killing gnomes isnt nice08:58
Orcristgood point... but some people have the knowledge and still don't want the hassle... however... to your point that also kind of negates the need for such a thing on an installer08:58
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ubuntu_would deleting gnome affect my system as a whole08:59
ubuntu_or just gnome?08:59
tweek_yay! i compiled MPlayer!08:59
mebaranyou could have just pulled it off the repos08:59
tweek_it wasnt working08:59
Orcristgmplayer doesn't work for me either from repos09:00
OrcristI had to compile from source09:00
Orcristand there doesn't seme to be a decent GTK frontend for it anywhere09:00
OrcristKplayer is super... but I dislike qt to the point of it giving me a headache09:00
jdububuntu_: wait for kubuntu CDs09:00
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tweek_orc: gtk = gui?09:01
danielspitti: good afternoon09:01
Orcristtweek_, no... gtk is a gui framework... not a standalone gui09:01
pittiHi daniels09:01
Orcristit's what controls the look, feel, and functionality of all your buttons/scrollbars/file menus/ whatever... you use all that to build a gui for a program09:02
pittidaniels: although it is Sunday morning here :-)09:02
danielspitti: heh, close enough ;)09:02
Orcristif a program runs from the command line and has no gui... you can create one from the gtk toolkit (which is what gnome is based on) and it's very nice and integrated09:02
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Orcristhowever, there doesn't seem to be a good gtk one for mplayer09:03
Orcristinculding the one that comes with gmplayer09:03
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maximausOrcrist, I thought gmplayer was pretty nice last time I tried it--mind you that was a year ago on Fedora--what's the problem with the gui?09:03
Orcristmaximaus, really it's the options and the old generic flavor of it09:04
Orcristthe playlist support is really bad09:04
Orcristand the the interface isn't slick like the rest of my GTK2 gnome desktop... it kind of reminds me of win9509:05
oficinamoyogo: are you still around?09:05
oficinamoyogo: or have you gone to sleep?09:05
OrcristI think they focus more on the guts of it... and they do a damn fine job... esp with parts of it like mencoder09:05
OrcristIt'd be nice to see an open-source project just to beautify/functionize mplayer... and I may start one on my own (already talked to some friends about it) and for simplicity I'm learning how to use Glade209:06
Orcristall the effort in taht regard seems to be towards KDE09:07
oficinamoyogo: ?09:08
scorpixwhen the next beta will release for Ubunut?09:08
jdubscorpix: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule09:08
scorpixjdub: th.x09:08
mebarananybody here know how to troubleshoot an ALSA problem09:09
Orcristman I need to get to bed... got to go do some taxes tomorrow09:09
Orcristnight all09:09
mebaranI checked the modules09:09
oficinaIs there anybody with the approximate knowledge of moyogo or his hubris?09:10
maximausOcrist, yeah you're right about gmplayer not being slick--still beats stock mplayer. I'm satisfied with Totem for my modest needs.09:11
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h8crimeis this teh Free BSD channel?09:15
mebaranis ubuntu the same as FreeBSD09:15
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mebaranjust out of curiousity09:16
h8crimeim just kidding09:16
mebaranI do not doubt your literacy09:16
h8crimeim using hoary atm09:16
mebarananybody want to fix my alsa09:16
h8crime<mike_douglas> is a n00b09:16
h8crimemike_douglas uses freeBSD09:16
mebaranI am willing to give you ssh access09:16
mebaranand root password for a minute09:16
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h8crimewhats alsa?09:17
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mebaranAlsa makes soudn09:18
deepsighti think i fked my kernel09:18
h8crimesudo apt-get pr0n -i09:18
h8crimeport 22 is open09:19
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mebarananybody want to fix some ALSA09:20
h8crimei am willing09:21
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mebaranyou didnt even know what alsa was09:21
h8crimei do now09:21
h8crimeAlsa makes soudn09:22
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h8crime<mebaran> Alsa makes soudn09:22
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mebaranI know09:23
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Mr_SmileyI'm having trouble with my cd drive it seems its not even being detected, there is no /dev/hdc09:30
Mr_Smileydoes anyone know what I can do to get it working? :)09:30
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mebaranthat is a hard one09:33
mebaranis the module ide-cd loaded09:33
Mr_Smileyi'll take a look09:33
Mr_Smileyi don't think it was..09:34
Mr_Smileyi'd have to reboot for it to create the device wouldn't i?09:34
mebaranor go back to init one09:34
Mr_Smileybut i'd also have to make sure ide-cd is loaded09:34
mebaraneasier to reboot09:34
mebaranas udev is run fairly early09:34
Mr_Smileyhow do i do that09:34
mebaranjsut reboot09:34
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Mr_Smileybut shouldn't i make sure ide-cd gets loaded first?09:35
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Mr_Smileyi just want /dev/hdc! :)09:36
Mr_Smileystupid thing09:36
mebaranthe order wont matter09:37
mebaranudev is constantly one09:37
Mr_Smileywell ide-cd was already loaded..09:38
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Mr_Smileyah ok09:38
Mr_Smileyany ideas?09:38
grahamozis wireless network supported in ubuntu09:38
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Mr_Smileysure is i'm using it right now :)09:39
Mr_Smileybut it might depend on the network card you have09:39
grahamozusb adapter09:39
mebaranwhat do you have in /dev09:39
Mr_Smileyyou want everything?09:39
grahamozwhat ?09:39
Mr_Smileymebaran: in /dev it looks normal except it doesn't have hdc or hdd :)09:40
mebaranhow many hdd's do you have09:40
mebarando you hae anything called sda09:40
Mr_Smileyi just have one sata hdd09:41
Mr_Smileyyeah its sda09:41
mebaranthen what is taking up the other spots09:41
Mr_Smileymy hdd is sda and my cdrom drives should be hdc and hdd09:41
Mr_Smileybut there is no hdc or hdd.. :/09:41
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mpqwhat will play .m4a files?09:43
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mebaranif it aint windows09:45
mebaranmplayer will play it09:45
mebaranif it is09:45
mebaranit still might09:45
mebarandoes everythign09:45
mebaranudner the sun09:45
Mr_Smileywell dmesg | grep hdc shows nothing.. :/09:45
mebaranwhat does your dmesg say09:46
pepsiMr_Smiley, warty or hoary?09:46
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Mr_Smileyit just seems that its not creating the node hdc09:47
pepsii had this problem after upgrading to hoary.. dmesg could tell me the make and model of my cdrom, but /dev/hdc wasnt there.. hal-device-manager saw something on the ide chain, but couldnt tell what it was09:47
mebaranwhat does your bios report09:47
pepsii gave up and reinstalled with the latest hoary iso09:47
mebaransounds like a weird problem09:47
mebaranadd sg09:47
Mr_Smileyyeah bios sees cdrom fine09:47
mebarantry adding sg09:48
mebaranto your modules09:48
mebaranthat is genereally scsi emulation09:48
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mebaranmodprobe sg09:48
mebaranjust to see09:49
mebaranif it helps09:49
mebaranmy alsa is going similarly09:49
Mr_Smileywell i've got nearly everything working except no cd drive :)09:50
mpqdoes mplayer support mp3pro?09:52
Mr_Smileybrb i'll try reboot09:53
mebaranmp3pro will paly09:53
mebaranI dont knwo if it takes adavantage09:54
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mpqI just know that it sounds HORRIBLE without the codec09:54
mebaranwell mplayer reads it09:55
mebaranxmms reads it09:55
mebaranfrom live36509:55
mebaranand sounds ok09:55
mebaranthe 64 K streams09:55
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mpqI guess...09:55
mebaranthe low k ones sound pretty bad09:55
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mpqI know09:56
mpqthe one I'm talking about is 32k09:56
mpqand it sounds absolutely awful in anything other than winamp09:56
mpqmp3pro is stupid09:56
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mebaranmp3pro is a hack09:57
mebarana silly stupid09:57
mpqbut it's not like I have a choice09:58
mpqthey don't broadcast in any other format09:58
mebaranI guess09:58
mebarandid ok09:58
mebaranwith it09:58
mpqthey have 32k mp3pro so they can brag about "cd-quality sound on dial-up"09:58
mpqas long as you're running winamp09:59
mebaranas if09:59
mebarannot even then09:59
mebaranwith ogg09:59
mebaranwhich is better than mp3pro09:59
mebaranand free09:59
mebaranyou arent going to pull that out of 32 K09:59
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mpqa monkey is better than mp3pro09:59
mebaranyou need at least 128 K09:59
mebaranto get anywhere near09:59
mpqand I'm not talking about .ape09:59
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mebaranif you own some good speakers09:59
mpqwho's idea was it to make a lousy format lousier?10:00
viper12I think 96k sounds pretty decent...listening to a streaming station right now with xine at 96k. (5.1 surround sound)............sounds pretty decent to me. ;)10:00
mebaran96 K10:00
mebaranis pretty good10:01
viper12lol... hey there meb10:01
mpqmono or stereo?10:01
mebarananybody wwant to kix my alsa10:01
viper12stereo mpq10:01
mebaranhi Viper1210:01
mpqyou must not be much of an audiophile10:02
mpqI can hear problems with 128k mp310:02
mpqwhich is why I stopped encoding in mp310:02
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viper12mpq.........when I want audiophile.........I take disc out in the living room with 7.1 surround system.  I'm just saying that 96k is decent for casual listening. (unlike 32k.  snicker.)10:02
Mr_Smileythat worked..10:02
mebaran96 K10:03
mebaranis damn good10:03
mebaranlame considers 128 K to be equal to CD10:03
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mpqthat's lame10:03
mebaranhaha a pun10:03
mpqit was asking for it10:03
mebaranmpq you are so ....  punful10:03
viper12groans......but lol10:03
mpqit wasn't great10:04
mpqyou want good puns, you should read spider robinson10:04
viper12felt like an utter noob earlier.........was pissin' and moaning about performance issues with graphics............forgot I'd loaded 386 kernel to test some stuff....gads.10:04
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viper12hola excess10:08
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viper12got awful quiet again.10:12
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Neil3morning all10:30
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NuuBi am doing some apt-get installs, and each time i try to visit a website it cant find the site, then once the download and install is complete i can get to the website fine. is there a way to still surf the web while an apt-get is running?10:31
apokryphosIt's just choking up all your connection, I presume. No real way to limit the download limit of apt, as far as I know.10:32
Neil3apt-get is probably taking up your bandwidth10:32
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Neil3i use traffic shaping on my router which does get around this pretty well10:33
NuuByeah, that much i figured on - i was hoping there might be a way to leave at least a small hole so i can keep surfing in the meantime10:33
NuuBno router10:34
Neil3i'm not sure but you might be able to use a traffic shaping script on your machine10:34
NuuBjust ubuntu and a 56k serial modem10:34
Neil3since my router runs linux10:34
Neil3its called wondershaper10:35
Neil3and you'd have to edit it for your connection speed and stuff10:35
viper12quick question.....surfin the ubuntu site......it seems everyone is using the sb brand sound cards.......anyone have the turtle beach products?  curious.10:35
danielsif anyone here is using a desktop with an integrated video chipset and also a pci/agp video card, please /msg me10:35
Neil3daniels, you should ask your question in the channel :)10:35
NuuBi'll do a search for it10:35
tuppa_why oh why is fakeroot not doing what it suppose to do?10:36
danielsNeil3: need the output of lspci, lspci -nX, sudo ddcprobe, some probing as to which card the output of ddcprobe relates to, and some other stuff that I'm not sure about yet :)10:36
viper12I'm using an IBM e-server with integrated vid (turned off) and a nvidia fx5200 agp card.10:36
Neil3quite a lot of stuffage10:36
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danielsNeil3: i'm aware of the staggering lameness of 'any1 know how configga x /msg me plz', but this is a little more complex, and will help with ubuntu development ;)10:37
Tsjoklatbecause you didn't ask it nicely tuppa? :P10:37
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tuppaTsjoklat: that's one possible solution10:38
Neil3its not lame at all mate10:38
Neil3from what i see of this channel, people are more friendly than some of the other places10:39
Neil3and the forum is really cool10:39
Neil3i dont see much flaming10:39
Neil3and bad attitude10:39
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Neil3unlike some other places i could mention ;)10:39
danielsNeil3: the code of conduct does wonders, it seems10:40
NuuBNeil3: which version of wondershaper do you use? (1.0 or 1.1a)?10:40
Neil3i dont know haha it is included with ipcop10:40
Neil3i would guess its the latest10:40
viper12havta agree with you there neil3...an article online I was reading mentioned that ubuntu had some of the best online 'peeps'......and recommended the distro over a couple other becuase of it.10:40
Neil3but NuuB you can't go wrong with trying either as they are only scripts, just use another if the first doesnt work10:41
Neil3yeah i read that too10:41
tha_gamemasterdoes anyone know the module i have to load for a via-gigabit ethernet driver? It's a soyo dragon kt880 i believe the nic is VT612210:41
NuuBNeil3: k, thanks10:41
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viper12game master......not sure how much help this is.....here's the page with current wired network card support:10:49
viper12I don't show it listed, but hey, was a quick search.10:49
tha_gamemasterthanks alot Viper12 ^_^10:51
tha_gamemasterI'll check it ou10:51
viper12I see that the via 6102 Rhine chipset is supported natively. (warty).10:52
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viper12this page shows systems that are supported by ubuntu.....with various hardware chipsets and such listed:10:53
viper12toward the bottom, an hp machine is running the via setup with that Rhine nic.10:54
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tha_gamemastercool, thanks Viper12, It turned out to be the via-veolcity driver, I'm using that in 2.6.8 and it's working, thanks SO much for your help ^_^10:55
viper12notta problem.........its what we're all here for. :)10:55
tha_gamemasterhehe, well don't go too far away, sound is next on mylist ;)10:56
viper12gawds.........seems like its on a lotta peeps lists.  lol.  I'm using sb live and alsa drivers.............no issues.  I'm thinking about building a box with a santa cruz card though....not seeing anything one way or another on that one.10:57
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TheMusoviper12: I think a lot of the problems people have are with onboar dsound.10:57
viper12which is WHY its the first thing I kill in bios before even starting a build.  lol.  onboard usually means (excluding nics)..........twwwoouuubbblllee.10:58
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tha_gamemasteryea I never had problems with alsa and sb live/audigy cards, only alsa and ac97/intel based onboard sound10:59
TheMusoA lot of shortcuts are taken when integrating onboard sound from what I can gather.10:59
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viper12ac97 is squirrly at best. Sometimes it works with no hassle........others it blows up badly.........from reading the forums it makes no sense.11:00
viper12of course ac97 chipsets are all over the place.......almost like flavor of the month.11:01
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Tsjoklatnobody to eliminate Zotnix?11:08
ZotnixTried updating to blam-1.6.1 manually.11:09
ZotnixNo work. So back to 1.4 for me11:09
Tsjoklatoh dear11:09
ZotnixWeird errors and not even google found anything.11:11
ZotnixSo I'll use the blam package.11:11
ZotnixUbuntu uses 1.6 now11:11
Tsjoklatwhy build it then11:13
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ZotnixI thought hoary used 1.4 (which it did, for awhile) which uses a bad rendering engine that hangs on images. In 1.6 they switched to gtkmozembed which proved to be much faster.11:15
Tsjoklatshould have checked first11:16
ZotnixSo I was going to switch to 1.6 manually since I referred it.11:16
ZotnixI had checked a bit ago. Didn't realize it was updated now.11:16
Tsjoklatit updates every minute!11:17
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cyklusim having problems with xmms11:18
cyklusit starts fine but when i try to play an mp3 it freezes11:19
cyklushowever mpg123 can play an mp3 fine... anyone know what might be up?11:19
Tsjoklatit's somewhere on the wiki cyklus11:19
hrdesalpesplease the QUOTAUSER="" in /etc/adduser.conf the number is a Mo number ?11:20
cyklusTsjoklat: ok ill take a look thanks11:20
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Tsjoklatcyklus, and perhaps you might want to check the forums or the guide (see topic)11:21
binkshlo peeps11:21
binkshow do i chane the permissions of a dir to allow rw11:21
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Tsjoklatsudo chmod 75511:22
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binkstrying to copy some t maps but dnt have permission o11:22
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binkset maps sorry to /usr/local/games/enemy-territory/etmain11:23
binksso i would sudo chmod 755 dirpath11:23
viper12cyklus......here's one of the best places to look for setting up the multimedia stuff:11:23
cyklusTsjoklat: i got it working thanks11:24
cyklusviper12: thanks!11:24
Tsjoklatcyklus, great :)11:24
viper12that thread has more good info in one place that most others. (not just xmms either).11:24
viper12and np cyk11:24
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skydollbonjour  tous11:32
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Adrenali just installed samba11:38
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Adrenalhow do i mount a folder so my windows machine can see and copy it through a lan?11:38
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desplesdahi, i just upgraded to the latest hoary, and /dev/dsp's disappeared11:42
desplesdasorry, warty11:42
desplesdalatest warty11:42
Adrenalpress enter less11:42
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ssamfdid the upgrade complete with no problems11:43
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desplesdayes, there weren't any problems11:44
ssamfsometimes synaptic looks like its done when in fact it has had to stop11:44
desplesdawell, can i create the device node manually?11:44
ssamfi'd run it again just in case11:44
desplesdarun which function?11:45
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ssamfrun synaptic again11:45
desplesdai hit mark all upgrades, but apply didn't become accessible11:45
ssamfi think with udev you should not make your own device nodes11:46
cykluswhat is the shortcut keys to jump between workspaces in gnome?11:46
desplesdai know11:46
lunitikdesplesda: probably means there are no upgrades...11:46
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ssamfcyklus ctrl alt left/right11:46
NuuBapt-get is stuck on an error --> "The following packages have unmet dependencies: samba: Depends: samba-common (= 3.0.7-1ubuntu6) but 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.3 is to be installed ... E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)." - i tried "apt-get -f install" but that failed to correct the problem. i am lost. can someone tell me how to resolve this?11:47
cyklusssamf: thanks :)11:47
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ssamfwas anything you upgraded sound related?11:47
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lunitikNuuB: did you try what it says? "sudo apt-get -f install"11:48
lunitikNuuB: bah... I should read...11:48
ssamfcan you revert gstreamer to the earlier version?11:49
NuuBluniktik: yes i did - lol no prob11:49
lunitikyeah... not much you can do enless you want to pull down the samba-common package from hoary?11:49
desplesdahow do i do that?11:49
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lunitikdesplesda: I'm confused... what is your problem?11:49
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desplesdai just upgraded to the latest warty, and /dev/dsp has disappeared11:50
lunitikdesplesda: uhh... is the sound module loaded?11:50
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senectus_how do you format a partition?11:50
lunitiklsmod | snd11:50
lunitiklsmod | grep snd11:51
lunitikblah... tired11:51
lunitiksenectus: try sudo cfdisk11:51
lunitikfairly simple interface...11:51
desplesdathe sound module's loaded11:51
NuuBlunitik: can i just remove it? i have other installs more pressing to finish (apache and such) - i was getting non-stop samba complaints and tried installing samba fresh to shut them up but now it refuses to perform any other installs untill this samba error is resolved :-Z11:52
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lunitikdesplesda: hmm... there are no instances of /dev/dsp?  (ie /dev/dsp0)11:52
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desplesdai hit /dev/d <TAB><TAB> and it gives me /dev/dvd11:52
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senectus_lunitik, great, thanks11:52
desplesdabah, i've gotta go11:53
lunitikNuuB: its safe, sure... It'll remove ubuntu-desktop though, so you may want to think about that when you come to upgrade to hoary...11:53
desplesdathanks anyway11:53
NuuBlunitik: crap. i dont want the whole blasted desktop removed11:54
lunitikNuuB: nah... just the meta-package 'ubuntu-desktop' will be removed...11:54
lunitikNuuB: It may cause issues when you upgrade to hoary though...11:55
NuuBlunitik: i'm a novice, you say desktop, i hear whole-damn-GUI11:55
lunitikNuuB: I tried to make that distinction but putting it in quotes  :P11:56
ssamfit is just a meta package11:57
Tsjoklathe just horribly failed :)11:57
lunitikTsjoklat: no one asked you, shush  :P11:57
ssamfit contains nothing but depends on everything you need for a desktop11:57
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NuuBlol, "meta package" may have meaning to you, none to me unfortunately11:57
ssamfif you install ubuntu-desktop it will get all the other packages11:58
ssamfbut uninstalling it does nothing11:58
MobyTurboNuuB, one of the reasons why this meta-package is useful is that it will make an upgrade to Hoary do things like automatically pull in xorg.11:58
MobyTurboright, uninstalling it deletes nothing.11:59
MobyTurboI often delete it when I switch from totem-gstreamer to totem-xine11:59
ssamfyou can for example uninstall xchat, because it is depended on by ubuntu-desktop, unless you remove ubuntu-desktop11:59
lunitikMobyTurbo: well, no... thats the responsibility of 'x-window-system-core'  :P12:00
NuuBMobyTurbo: xorg is one more thing with no meaning (not asking you to explain, just setting the bar lower so it is closer to my present level of knowledge)12:00
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MobyTurbolunitik, ah, another meta-package. :-)12:00
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ssamfxorg is the replacement og xfree, which was the old graphics system12:00
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NuuBok, can i uninstall samba (with it uninstalling the desktop), and then reinstall the desktop meta package?12:01
lunitikNuuB: well... but it will reinstall samba-common when you do so...12:02
MobyTurboNuuB, no, reinstalling the desktop meta package will automatically pull in Samba12:02
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ssamfno, if you reinstall ubuntu-desktop, it will go "oh, you need samba for a complete desktop" and install it12:02
NuuBssamf: ok, xorg eq newer xfree - that i get12:02
ssamfmeta packages are good, because they let you install loads of stuff with one command12:03
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NuuBi dont care right now if i have samba or not, i may care later, but right now i just want to finsh the installs i had been doing beforehand12:04
ssamfbut if you dont need everything the want, then they are a bit of a pain12:04
fiaccaciao a tutti12:04
ssamfso you install the meta package, then remove the meta package, and you have everything12:04
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ssamfnow you can remove stuff without restriction (well with less)12:05
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ssamfbut when it comes to upgrade to hoary, you will need to manually add ubuntu-desktop back, so that the new version will install new pieces of software12:06
Cam-what was that about?12:06
Cam-sorry interested..12:07
ssamfabout meta packages12:08
ssamfspecifically the ubuntu-desktop one12:08
NuuBi just tried to do a remove and it is still frozen12:08
lunitikssamf: apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop  <-- everything listed there is what it depends on... its the devels way of making sure everyones systems are fairly complete etc...12:09
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Cam-sorry you just mentioned manual add of ubuntu-desktop back. im doing a dist-upgrade at the moment12:10
ssamfor in synaptic right click on it and go to properties12:10
Cam-so i was curious as to what you meant12:10
lunitikssamf: usually, meta-packages are used at a lower level in Debian... example: 'gnome' 'gnome-core' and 'gnome-environment', 'x-window-system' and 'x-window-system-core'... 'kde-core' and 'kde... etc12:10
lunitikCam-: yeah... you want ubuntu-desktop around to make sure you are getting everything from hoary...12:11
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Cam-ive done a clean install of warty, and dist-upgrading at the moment to hoary12:11
NuuBis it possible there is something going on like a file lock that needs removing so i can continue doing my installs with apt-get?12:11
lunitikCam-: for instance... a bittorrent client is new to hoary... you wouldn't get that... update-monitor and update-notification are more examples of changes you might miss...12:12
lunitikNuuB: it would tell you if there is..12:12
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Cam-yer my meta packages are intact12:12
lunitikNuuB: if there is, make sure nothing like synaptic or apt-get etc are running.12:12
NuuBlunitik: i have no idea how to do that12:13
lunitikNuuB: ps -e is what I usually use... or ps aux..12:13
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lunitikps aux is messy though imo12:13
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MobyTurbolunitik, on SysV ps does "-ef" and on BSD it's "aux". There are advantages of the -ef display.12:14
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Stormie`anone here ?12:15
topylilunitik: depends on what info you need. like process owners12:15
Stormie`anyone here ?12:15
mebarancould anyone help me with an Alsa Problem12:15
NuuBlunitik: synaptic: no and apt-get: no12:15
Stormie`anyone know , where to get usb modem software ?12:15
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lunitiktopyli: I can see that with 'ps -e' .... ? are root... others are me... not useful when more people are logged in I guess  :/12:15
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Stormie`anyone know , where to get usb modem(Aztech) software ?12:17
lunitikmebaran: perhaps if you ask the question?12:18
mebaranI was trying my own little tricks12:18
mebaranno dice12:18
topyliStormie`: do you know if people actually have that modem working with linux?12:18
mebaranI check all my mixer settings12:18
mebaranand my modul;es12:18
NuuBwhat is the prefered copy and paste website here?12:18
mebaranbut ALSA makes no sound no where12:18
topyliNuuB: pastebin.com i guess. but you can use #flood just as well12:19
Stormie`topyli : i dunno ... just wanna asking ..12:19
lunitikmebaran: are you in 'sound' group?12:20
topyliStormie`: try googling for the modem model and linux12:20
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mebaranI am in the audio group12:21
mebarando I ahve to join the sound group12:21
mebaranthe dsp and the mixer12:21
lunitikmebaran: yeah... thats what I meant  :)12:21
mebaranregister themselves as part of the sound group12:21
lunitikdid I mention I'm tired?12:21
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Stormie`topyli : owh , ok .. but i can detect the modem .. i just needed a software or program to work it12:21
NuuBok, this is what i keep getting (minus the php tags the site inserted) http://pastebin.com/24133012:22
lunitikheh... tried 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' ?12:22
Neil3mebaran, try this in the terminal12:22
lunitikshould sound like static12:22
Neil3killall esd12:22
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HwolfMy rhytmbox suddenly can't find all my music. All the artists are still there tho.12:22
Neil3then try a program that uses alsa12:22
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topyliStormie`: if you're lucky you have all the drivers you need in the kernel. what you need to find out is which ones to load12:23
mebaranvery very faint static12:23
danielsKeyb, screen on a remote host.  screen on a remote host, Keyb.12:23
lunitikNeil3: most apps in Ubuntu use esd... and you didn't even tell him to change media mechanism  :/12:23
Neil3esd sucks12:23
Keybdaniels: x doesn't work with screen, fix that, kthxbye12:23
lunitikNeil3: beats the heck out of raw alsa for most cards  :/12:23
Neil3yeah you have to run gstreamer-properties and set the stuff in there to alsa too12:23
danielsKeybuk: irssi(1)12:24
Keybukdaniels: irssi != x-chat12:24
Neil3it gave me latency issues with dvds and movies, the sound would lag behind the video by half a second or so12:24
Stormie`topyli : so any solution ... ?12:24
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mebaranso any ideas12:25
mebaranok dsp seems shot then12:25
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NuuBbtw, is cursing permitted in here? i'm holding back a salty sailor cause of this error12:26
lunitikNuuB: no fucking clue12:26
topyliStormie`: search the web and you'll find out what modules people are using. or then you'll find it doesn't work for anyone. or you'll find workarounds and hacks to force it to work12:26
Neil3NuuB, i think we have freedom of speech12:26
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topyliyeah. "Longhorn!"12:27
NuuBmaybe, but many irc channels are a far cry from a democracy12:27
lunitikNuuB: just don't get immature with it... else people will look down on it...12:27
Stormie`topyli : ubuntu has any hacks ?12:27
lunitikStormie`: what do you mean 'hacks'?12:28
topyliStormie`: just kernel modules. but some usb modems are windows only, so you have to convince the modem that's what you have :)12:28
NuuBlunitik: i just want to overcome this fucking error and get on with my life12:28
Neil3on a side note i've found gstreamer to work well using oss12:28
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lunitikNuuB: just remove samba... then bring it back later...12:28
Stormie`topyli : owh ... ok, going to find out some hard problem going arround12:29
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NuuBlunitik: i tried "sudo apt-get remove samba" and am STILL getting the error12:29
Stormie`lunitik : i don't mean anything ..12:29
topyliStormie`: no, you may find something simple like "load modules foo, bar, and baz and it should work"12:30
topylior you may find some really scary hacks, in which case you might as well enter the modem market12:31
lunitikNuuB: what did 'sudo apt-get -f install' say?12:31
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Stormie`topyli : when i go to device manager, and i found my modem listed there12:32
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Stormie`topyli : but i can't connect with tat12:32
Stormie`topyli : and my modem doesnt have any signal too12:32
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topyliStormie`: you need to load modules (drivers) for it. then you still need to setup networking to use it for the interface12:33
Stormie`topyli : just figuring tat , cd had a problem or anything , or i had did anything wrong12:33
Stormie`owh ok ..12:33
Stormie`topyli : so where to get the modules ( drivers12:34
Stormie`topyli : so where to get the modules ( drivers )12:34
topyliStormie`: not difficult, when you know _which_ modules you need. this you need to find out by searching the web12:34
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NuuBlunitik: it said this: http://pastebin.com/24133612:34
Stormie`topyli : i will be back later12:34
Stormie`going to eat12:34
=== Stormie` bye , brb , nice visiting you all
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lunitikNuuB: 'invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/K09samba' seems to be the error... check that out... ls -l and see where its pointing...12:36
narkcehhello, how mutch disc space requires ubunto to install? i have only 2gb hard disk12:36
lunitikalso... try /etc/init.d/samba stop12:36
lunitiknarkceh: minimum 1.7 gigs12:36
narkcehso it might work, lol?12:36
lunitikeh... not really minimum I guess... but yeah...12:36
NuuBlunitik: where what is pointing?12:37
lunitikNuuB: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/K09samba12:37
NuuBah, symlink DOH (sorry)12:37
NuuBlunitik: "/etc/rc2.d/K09samba -> /samba"12:39
abelli checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes.12:39
abelli                   Please check your installation and add the correct paths!12:39
lunitikNuuB: yeah... I think its supposed to go to /etc/init.d/samba ...12:39
abelliany idea?12:39
NuuBlunitik: whats supposed to go at the "..." ?12:39
lunitikabelli: xorg?12:39
lunitikNuuB: huh?12:40
lunitikabelli: yeah... you need compat libs... I forget which though  :/12:40
lunitikabelli: what are you compiling?12:40
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lunitikbrain_: hi12:41
brain_is there a apt-get resu,e?12:41
lunitikbrain_: no12:41
lunitikalthough it will automagically12:41
brain_lunitik, damn... im suffering in dialup12:41
lunitikit checks /var/cache/apt/archive/partial ...12:42
brain_i've been disconnected in 97%, so theres no possible way?12:42
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lunitikbrain_: I just said... it does it automatically.12:42
brain_lunitik, thanks!12:42
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brain_so hows life here? i've been using ubuntu for 2days12:43
lunitikbrain_: not bad... cool you chose Ubuntu though  :)12:43
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narkcehi have only 2gb hard disk :(12:43
narkcehand im afraid that it wont work12:44
brain_lunitik, is the /var/cache/apt/archives is the deb packages downloaded by the apt-get ?12:44
narkcehim installing it all the time though and not had any problems yet12:44
lunitikbrain_: yes12:44
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brain_ok so i can use it for the other pc. alright thanks for the info lunitik12:45
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brain_going for dinner.. brb.. thanks lunitik!12:45
lunitikbrain_: may want to look into apt-proxy to do that.12:45
brain_ok, later dude. thanks going for dinner12:45
NuuBlunitik: what am i diong wrong here? "sudo ln -s /etc/rc2.d/K09samba /etc/init.d/samba"12:45
narkcehlunitik: so do you think that ubuntu wont work on 2gb hard disk?12:46
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lunitikNuuB: source and destination is wrong way around... and the destination can't exist prior to command...12:46
lunitik(so remove it...)12:47
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lunitiknarkceh: you should be fine... although you won't have much room for other stuff...12:47
NuuBlunitik: destination of /etc/init.d/samba cannot exist before hand?12:48
lunitikNuuB: no... K09samba can't exist12:48
lunitikNuuB: 'ln -s /etc/init.d/samba /etc/rc2.d/K09samba' after removing the latter...12:49
NuuBlunitik: it doesn't, i removed it already12:49
narkcehlunitik: so i will have like 1bit hard disk space left.12:49
lunitiknarkceh: no... like 300 megs...12:50
NuuBlunitik: ok, that did it12:50
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narkcehlunitik: yeah thanks :)12:50
lunitikNuuB: cool... now go see if apt stops bitching  :)   'sudo apt-get -f install' again12:50
|ALLANON|qustion: when i do ./configure12:52
|ALLANON|i have this error12:52
|ALLANON|checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!12:52
|ALLANON|what i can do?12:52
lunitik|ALLANON|: hoary? you need the correct compat libs.12:52
bob2install build-essential and xlibs-dev12:52
|ALLANON|ye hoary12:52
bob2what are you building?12:52
lunitikbob2: ooo... morning  :)12:53
|ALLANON|i try12:53
lunitikuhh... or afternoon?  heh12:53
|ALLANON|i'll try :p12:53
bob2lunitik: bedtime.12:53
NuuBlunitik: i'm on it, i did the sudo apt-get -f install and its now doing an install (FINALLY!!) thank you12:53
lunitikNuuB: yay  :)12:53
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lunitikNuuB: funny how apt tells you how to fix what is wrong usually   :)12:54
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Tomcat_In the future maybe it can do that itself :P12:54
NuuBlunitik: yeah, helps when you *understand* what its trying to tell you too ;-P12:55
lunitikTomcat_: would be cool... prod mdz about it  :P12:55
lunitikTomcat_: although that would definatly have to be able to be turned off... would get much complaints otherwise  :)12:56
lunitikNuuB: true enough  :)12:56
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lunitikTomcat_: mdz = person who wrote apt  ;)12:56
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Tsjoklator tried at least12:57
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lunitikTsjoklat: what you mean 'tried'? heh... I think he did a good job  :P12:58
Tsjoklatlunitik if you say so :)12:58
lunitikTsjoklat: name something better for the same task... and I'll give you a cookie  :P12:58
Tsjoklatoh I don't know12:58
TsjoklatI am just a dumb blonde12:58
Tsjoklatfemale even12:59
Tsjoklatwhat can you expect12:59
Seveashow true....12:59
lunitikhah... *shuts up before getting hit*12:59
Tsjoklathush Seveas... we are still talking rubber here12:59
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TsjoklatSeveas just admits he likes women in latex01:00
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Seveasbig bad liar...01:00
vixusHow do I exit the xserver?01:00
Seveasno latex ladies for me01:00
TsjoklatSeveas.. women are always right..01:00
lunitikvixus: /etc/init.d/gdm stop01:00
vixusCA-Backspace doesn't work.01:00
vixusthanks lunitik01:00
SeveasTsjoklat, women THINK they are always right01:00
vixusthen just /etc/init.d/gdm start, right?01:00
TsjoklatSeveas they ALWAYS are01:00
lunitikLatex + paddle = fun01:00
lunitikvixus: yup  :)01:00
vixusBe right back01:01
|ALLANON|excuse me01:01
|ALLANON|checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!01:02
|ALLANON|what can i do?01:02
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Seveas|ALLANON|, install QT?01:02
lunitik|ALLANON|: install the libs from universe?01:02
topylistuNNed_: the wajig wiki page is practically done: i already have an empty text file on the desktop ;)01:02
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NuuBomg vintage bob villa on a&e lmao01:03
|ALLANON|i 've installed libqt3c102-mnt01:03
lunitik|ALLANON|: you need -dev...01:03
|ALLANON|ok, thanks01:04
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cyklusi downloaded an compiled mplayer.. when i try to run it, it says that /dev/dsp is busy.. anyone know what might be wrong?01:04
xskoulaxgood for a laugh01:04
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LucaBrasiI just installed hoary4 and when it loads it doesn go straight into gnome like warty did .. what's the deal with that?01:06
vixusUnfortunately, I couldn't install the NVIDIA drivers. I need the soruce and everything01:06
vixuskernel-source that is01:06
lunitikcyklus: in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf... set 'ao =' to 'esd' ...01:06
cykluslunitik: esd is not a sound option i check -ao help01:07
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cykluslunitik: could it be how i compiled it?>01:07
lunitikcyklus: working here   :/01:07
cykluslunitik: you compile mplayer yourself?01:07
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lunitikcyklus: nope... installed from multiverse  :/01:08
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cykluslunitik: ic01:08
lunitikLucaBrasi: apt-get install xorg-common xserver-xorg01:08
vixusill do that later01:09
vixuscan anyone help me get bluez working?01:09
LucaBrasilunitik errrrr .. wtf .. isn't xserver etc installed by default with hoary?01:09
lunitikcyklus: but you typed 'mplayer -vo help' and its not listed?01:10
lunitikcyklus: but you typed 'mplayer -ao help' and its not listed?01:10
lunitikbet you it is  :/01:10
LucaBrasiyo can someone explain whats going on ..why's hoary not booting into gnome by default?01:11
NuuBlunitik: since i ran the "sudo apt-get remove samba" command, do i need to reinstall the desktop? (i am trying to complete the samba install right now)01:11
lunitikLucaBrasi: should be... but sometimes isn't....01:11
lunitikNuuB: don't worry about that until you are about to install hoary...01:11
LucaBrasishould be but sometimes isn't  ???? wtf01:12
lunitikLucaBrasi: its more a first course of action though... did you do it?01:12
LucaBrasidude I have to reboot to 'try it'01:12
LucaBrasiso I dont wanna reboot unless that's really it01:12
lunitikLucaBrasi: uhh... no you don't  :/01:12
LucaBrasium i'm dual booting, yes I do01:12
lunitikLucaBrasi: ctrl alt f1 and log in   :/01:12
lunitikblah... then get on it  :)01:13
LucaBrasibut why???01:13
lunitikLucaBrasi: because thats probably the issue?01:13
LucaBrasiwhy would I need to install this shit separately .. I thought that's part of the basic install?01:13
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cykluslunitik: i needed another library when i compiled mplayer to enable esd... im recompiling now01:13
lunitikelse 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'...01:13
cykluslunitik: thank you :)01:13
Tsjoklatwhy would anyone want perfumed tampons01:14
LucaBrasiubuntu can kiss my ass01:14
LucaBrasiI'm installing suse01:14
lunitikTsjoklat: wow... random  :)   haha... I think I get in trouble again for answering though?01:14
LucaBrasiwhat a joke of a distro if you have to install x separately01:14
NuuBlunitik: hmm, ok well i've stripped and reinstalled this system several times, and expect i shall again (and gone through several *nixes)01:14
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topyliLucaBrasi: indeed. which distro is that?01:15
lunitiktopyli: he is having x issues from warty to hoary... told him to make sure xserver-xorg and xorg-common are installed... he freaked  :/01:15
Tsjoklatno happy customer01:16
topylilunitik: oh. well, suse it is then01:16
vixusI'm trying to add DVD support, but libdvdcss2 (as listed on ubnutuguide) doesn't exist.01:16
lunitiktopyli: pretty much my thoughts exactly...  :)01:16
cyklusvixus: add this to apt sources "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main"01:17
topylilunitik: no hoary there to lure newbies from the path01:17
Tsjoklatthe path to darkness?01:17
topylitha path to console :D01:18
lunitiktopyli: there was an article about upgrading to hoary... I think thats the reason for a lot of these issues  :(01:18
TsjoklatI am just trying to find the path in between menstrual pads here01:18
lunitikTsjoklat: #1 reason I am happy to have a penis  :P01:19
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lunitikwell... maybe a close second? idk01:19
Tsjoklatdunno lunitik.. it tends to get in the ... way?01:20
topylilunitik: doesn't save us from much :)01:20
lunitikTsjoklat: nah... just train junior and its never an issue  :P01:20
Tsjoklatah well.. not many trained juniors out there then :)01:21
lunitikguess not?  8)01:21
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vixuscyklus: Installed! Any further configging I need to do?01:21
Tsjoklatwe need to clone you lunitik01:21
topylime and junior have been in training for years. we're pretty well tamed now01:21
lunitikTsjoklat: no no... I'm already not unique enough  :(01:21
cyklusvixus: nope should work if you got a player, like mplayer or xine :P01:22
lunitikEvery time I go out, I am told I remind someone of someone  :(01:22
zzyberim stuck. I get "could not initialize graphics system Make sure that your video card and driver are compatible with DirectDraw" when i try to run games from a windows emulator. I have xorg and ati fglrx driver01:22
lunitikzzyber: yeah... DirectDraw isn't implemented well in Wine...01:23
NuuBlinitik & Tsjoklat: well there IS a song called "Detatchable Penis"01:23
vixuscyklus: Totem will do?01:23
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lunitikzzyber: maybe try transgaming's cedega?01:23
TsjoklatNuuB, sounds like something we need to get!01:23
zzyberlunitik, but i have tried cedega, crossover office and wine. Same on all01:23
lunitikNuuB: I'd lose him though... thats no good  :(01:23
zzyberlunitik, could it be my fglrx driver?01:23
lunitikzzyber: no idea... sorry01:24
NuuBlunitik, lol yeah, that happens to the guy in the song01:24
lunitikNuuB: that would just be scary  :(01:24
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NuuBhe finds it laying on a blanket being sold by a street vendor01:25
cyklusvixus: should01:25
NuuBlunitik: maybe, but makes for a very funny song lol01:25
vixuscyklus: Got xine anyway01:25
TsjoklatI love the rodeo song01:25
lunitikTsjoklat: rodeo song? never heard of it01:26
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Tsjoklatlove it.. pretty blunt though01:27
TsjoklatI doubt I can paste any of the lyrics in here :)01:27
topyliNuuB: that must be a primus song01:27
Tsjoklatit is not suitable for sensitive souls01:27
vixuscyklus: How do I update the app menu to show the new things I've installed (Xine etc)?01:28
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NuuBtopyli: no clue, trying to find it now (since i was reminded of it and mentioned it)01:28
topyliNuuB: i just found it and it's primus all right01:28
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topyliit _could_ only possbly be primus or zappa really01:29
NuuBfull mp3?01:29
topyliyeah, i've had it here for a good while01:30
vixusHow do I update the app menu?01:31
NuuBtopyli: if you say so, only people in the history of the world to pick up an instrument and blank song sheet who had a sense of humor ;-P01:31
vixuscyklus: "Totem doesn't have the necessary plugins."01:32
Tsjoklatlunitik, http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/gary_lee_and_the_showdown/the_rodeo_song.html01:33
topyliNuuB: don't forget modern talking! i'd say they must have some sense of humor. or irony at least :)01:33
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NuuBtoo bad i opted for no sound board on this machine, i'll have to find i from my other sometime (my first search came up with squat)01:33
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topylivixus: not all apps put the icons there, you may have to add it yourself01:34
vixusok, anyway, neither xine nor totem updated to accomodate libdvdcss2. Should I update?01:34
vixusnot update. XD01:34
topylivixus: see what you have in ~/.gnome2/totem-addons01:35
vixusNothing at all.01:37
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snowblinkhi - can anyone see the new Star Wars trailer _with_ sound?01:41
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HwolfIs it me, or is gnome getting more sluggish by the minute?01:42
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LM_exdoes it work?01:44
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El_Cheis there a way to edit the applications menu in hoary?01:45
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marcin_anthi I got a problem with dvd...01:51
marcin_antcould someone help me and tell how to use dvd device on /dev/hdb01:51
marcin_antmounted as /dev/cdrom101:52
marcin_anthow to use this device with mplayer?01:52
marcin_antI have libdvdcss2 installed01:53
NuuBapt-get is saying: "0 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 0 to remove and 99 not upgraded." - is the 99 not upgraded suggesting that i take some action?01:53
lunitikNuuB: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade01:53
lunitikNuuB: going to hoary>01:53
topyliEl_Che: by right clicking the menu items themselves, or via nautilus (go to applications:/// )01:54
lunitiktopyli: he said in hoary.01:54
El_Chetopyli: works in warty like that, not in hoary01:54
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topyliah, sorry01:54
NuuBlunitik: no, dont want to go to hoary, want to stick with warty, as i understand it warty is still the release version01:54
El_Cheprobably temporarely disabled01:55
topylior broken01:55
lunitikNuuB: yes... but thats a lot of packages that need to be upgraded... blah... dist-upgrade will fix issue01:55
El_Chetopyli: some URIS work, applications: dont01:55
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lunitikEl_Che: nah... they are working on a different mechanism... but its taking a long time  :/01:55
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NuuBlunitik: then the "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" is to perform an upgrade to hoary?01:56
lunitikNuuB: no...01:56
ZolMedhas anyone managed to get CD printing working in Linux on a Canon i965, or any Canon printer for that matter?01:56
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lunitikdist-upgrade just updates things that change something... ie different depends... different config layout etc...01:57
lunitikNuuB: same as Synaptic's 'smart' mechanism...01:57
mz2my cursor theme is all messed up after an update01:57
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lunitikmz2: black now? white is coming back in a different package apparently...01:58
mz2oh i see01:58
lunitikanother hoary user  :)01:58
El_Chemz2: try gcursor01:59
El_Chemz2: nice transparent cursor01:59
NuuBlunitik: again, "synaptic" is not familiar to me (remember, set the bar low for my present level of knowledge - the whole point of my getting ubuntu is to start learning this stuff)01:59
mz2i actually tried already02:00
lunitikNuuB: synaptic is the 'easy' way to use apt...02:00
lunitikNuuB: gui frontend... Computer > System Configuration > Synaptic Package Manager02:00
El_Chemz2: you selected an other cursor there?02:00
NuuBlunitik: if you say so lol02:00
mz2should it be updated on this same login time?02:01
mz2or another?02:01
El_Chean other02:01
El_Chelog out, log in02:01
mz2got it :)02:01
NuuBlunitik: ah, well in that case, i'll stick with the cli - i need the gui, but only as much as to let me be functional while learning to do stuff in the cli02:02
Xappei downloaded a new cursor theme and changed the x-cursor to that one...now I have a nice cursor even in gdm02:02
El_CheXappe: gcursor has the only true transparent (semi otherwise useless) cursor i have ever seen :)02:03
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Xappelunitic, well it's all about beauty02:03
ograEl_Che: you mean the whiteglass cursor ?02:03
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lunitikogra: hey ogra  :)02:04
ograEl_Che: that one comes with X (was there since X 4.2 but hidden) gcursor only makes it visible to you ;)02:04
ogralunitik: hi02:04
El_Cheogra: I see02:05
lunitikXappe: seriously though... I usually look at where I'm clicking, not the cursor itself... I guess thats just me though?02:05
El_Cheogra: idd whiteglass02:05
ogramz2: if you want your old cursor back, install the jimmac cursor theme in gcursor and select it :)02:05
El_Chelunitik: InDeeD02:05
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Xappei installed jimmac systemwide instead...02:06
Xappefeels better somehow02:06
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narkcehhow to change mouse settings?02:07
lunitiknarkceh: Computer > Preferences > Mouse02:08
El_Cheany idea when the full gnome translation will enter the hoary packages? Most are finished upstream while the ones in ubuntu are frankenstein :)02:08
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Xappelunitik, well that wrist watch IS ugly, and i usually play around with the cursor while watching progress bars... :)02:08
narkcehlunitik: but in console?02:08
lunitiknarkceh: little more complicated... whats wrong?02:09
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narkcehthe mouse wont work02:10
lunitiknarkceh: umm... you booted into Linux right now?02:10
narkcehand i dont know how to change it with keyboard02:10
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narkcehyes im in the grafical thing02:11
fscanybody familiar with python and would know why i would get a ./setup.py02:11
fscfrom: can't read /var/mail/distutils.core02:11
fsc i installed python2.4-setuptools02:11
lunitikalt f1 > go to start terminal02:11
lunitiknarkceh: ^02:11
lunitiknarkceh: usb or ps mouse?02:11
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narkcehits a old ps mouse02:11
mz2it still isn't what it's supposed to be02:12
lunitiknarkceh: ok... lsmod | grep psmouse for me02:12
lunitikis it there?02:12
mz2it's this black ugly thing. and not even the default X11 black ugly thing :)02:12
narkcehhow to get root?02:12
MobyTurbonarkceh, sudo -s02:12
lunitiknarkceh: shouldn't need it for that02:12
ogranarkceh: no nee for root02:12
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narkcehokey, ill try lsmod02:13
lunitikogra: sudo is still root... :/02:13
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lunitikroot permissions aren't root?02:13
ogralunitik: sudo is uid 002:13
lunitiksudo -l even brings roots stuff over  :/02:14
ogralunitik: sudo logs everything you do ... for example....02:14
lunitikogra: so does regular root... in .history  :/02:14
ogralunitik: sudo offers you fine grained access rights to administrative tasks....02:14
deepsighthmmm im compiling my kernel and i get a vfs: unable to mount root fs on ...  do you know what is probably missing in my configuration? my machine is a compaq armada m700...02:14
El_Cheif you like the good old debian's root: sudo passwd root02:15
ogradeepsight: why do you recompile `02:15
narkcehdamn this takes 1000h because my 200mhz comp is slow02:15
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MobyTurbonarkceh, you probably should really be using a different GUI than GNOME on a 200MHz computer.02:16
deepsightogra, long story... trying to install vmware but it complained about the C headers so i downloaded them and then it told me that they were different from my current kernel, that i had to recompile02:16
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El_Chenarkceh: try xfce02:16
deepsightim just following Mr Vmware orders02:16
vixusI want to network my Windows 98 PC to this Ubuntu box, for the sake of transferring my music.02:16
lunitikvixus: yes02:16
lunitikvixus: look into samba02:17
vixusBy the way. The windows 98 pc is on the network wirelessly.02:17
ogradeepsight: there is a headers package for every ubuntu linux-image, you souldnt recompile the kernel just to get a vmware module02:17
narkcehMobyTurbo: yeah but how to change it?02:17
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vixusIs that a problem lunitik?02:17
lunitikvixus: no02:17
MobyTurbonarkceh, install it using aptitude, apt-get, or synaptic, then hopefully you can run it from gdm.02:17
deepsightogra, i know i downloaded the correct one i think but it still complained... dont have the exact error now02:18
vixuslunitik: Is there a guide on setting up? It's just, I've sucked at setting up Samba.02:18
narkcehapt-get install xfce?02:18
NuuBlunitik: what will happen when i do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ? (i am wondering if it will initiate some massive d/l over my lil'56k serial modem)02:18
deepsightcan't i just get the default .config from somewhere?02:18
deepsightand compile with that?02:18
ogradeepsight: then you didnt download the correct ones02:18
lunitikvixus: there are many... I can answer some questions... but I'm not gonna tell you how to do it... would take too long02:18
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narkcehMobyTurbo: apt-get install xfce?02:18
MobyTurbonarkceh, sure. Though if xfce is still to slow, try fluxbox.02:18
ogradeepsight: do you use the linux-source package for your kernel to compile ?02:18
lunitikNuuB: yes... those 99 packages held back will be downloaded and installed02:19
vixusOk. Well, I'm following the samba server setup guide on ubuntuguide.org02:19
ogradeepsight: then you can use the config that is stored in /boot02:19
lunitiknarkceh: no... apt-get install xfce402:19
mz2the default cursor theme in gcursor just looks like that error image ("!")02:19
vixuslunitik: apt-get install samba/smbfs... done!02:19
lunitiknarkceh: else you get xfce, which was ugly...02:19
narkcehMobyTurbo: but i need to delete gnome because of my low hard disk space. so i need to delete gnome first?02:19
mz2so what package do i need to install to get it back?02:19
narkcehlunitik: ok xfce4 then02:19
narkcehhow to remove gnome?02:20
NuuBlunitik: any way to know ahead of time how big a download it will entail?02:20
ogradeepsight: with other sources you will miss a lot of ubuntu specific patches.... dunno if the ubuntu .config works then02:20
deepsightso i have several config- is the one that works right now02:20
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narkcehapt-get remove gnome?02:20
deepsightogra, so if im ok with this config i just recompile it with this one and it should work theoretically?02:20
lunitikxfce = ver. 3  .... the reason it stands for XForms Cool Environment ... XForms was an ugly toolkit though02:21
ogradeepsight: but there are a lot of people using vmware in ubuntu taht didnt recompile their kernel ;)02:21
MobyTurboxfce uses gtk now02:21
deepsightogra, damn those ppl02:21
ogradeepsight: if you give the right options to make-kpkg ....02:21
vixuslunitik: I think I've done the linux side of things, how do I do the Windows side?02:21
lunitikMobyTurbo: yes... but this is the reason there are still 2 packages... xfce = xforms ; xfce4 = gtk202:21
lunitikvixus: just share stuff  :/02:22
MobyTurbolunitik, OK02:22
deepsightogra, i followed the Wiki tutorial in ubuntu webpage...02:22
deepsightogra, but ill try again with the headers02:22
vixuslunitik: What do you mean just share stuff?02:22
deepsightlet me give you the error02:22
MobyTurbolunitik, I actually like lyx's xforms version more than their Qt version, but I agree with you about xfce v302:22
lunitikvixus: right click 'share'02:22
vixusOn windows or linux?02:23
vixusI want to make [windows]  stuff available to [linux] 02:23
narkcehlunitik: so i use: apt-get install xfce4?02:23
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vixusyes narkcehg02:23
lunitikvixus: you asked how to configure the windows side... which do you think?02:23
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lunitiknarkceh: yes02:23
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narkcehok thanks both02:23
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cykluscan anyone paste me their totem config... totem keeps crashing when i try to run it becuase it cant find alsa.. i need to set it to esd.. but i hae no config file yet02:24
deepsightThere is probably a slight difference in the kernel configuration between the02:24
deepsightset of C header files you specified and your running kernel.  You may want to02:24
deepsightrebuild a kernel based on that directory, or specify another directory.02:24
narkcehE: Cannot Find The pagage02:24
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vixuslunitik: There is no option 'share'...02:25
deepsightUnable to make a vmmon module that can be loaded in the running kernel:02:25
deepsightinsmod: error inserting '/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon.o': -1 Unknown symbol in module02:25
narkcehhow to install xfce4 if i cant install it because it wont find it?02:25
lunitiknarkceh: you need to enable universe02:25
narkcehand how to do that?02:25
lunitiknarkceh: uncomment the line in /etc/apt/sources.list02:26
lunitikie get rid of the #02:26
thesilverhandnarkceh: or read howto install xfce4.2 on ubuntu forums to get latest version instead02:27
cyklusanyone know how to get totem to work on hoary?02:27
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narkcehall the #?02:27
lunitikvixus: uhh... there should be... like 4th down... only entry in second section of the menu  (after first seperator do-hicky)02:27
thesilverhandnarkceh: just lines beginning with deb or deb-src that state universe02:28
lunitiknarkceh: no... just the one with 'universe' in the line02:28
lunitiknarkceh: what thesilverhand said... cept you don't want deb-src prolly02:28
lunitikjust makes it take longer to update  :/02:28
ogradeepsight: your linux-image and linux-headers package have matching version numbers ?02:28
narkcehlunitik: ok02:29
netmonkgreetings, ogra :)02:29
ograhey netmonk02:29
deepsightogra, yes... i think i found a wiki about vmware02:29
deepsightogra, i tell you if it works02:29
MobyTurboactually for Ubuntu adding deb-src is a one-time slowdown, since universe isn't being updated.02:30
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ogradeepsight: you could update the information in the ubuntu wiki ;)02:30
lunitikMobyTurbo: s/ubuntu/warty and I will agree02:30
MobyTurbolunitik, well, I wouldn't reccomend that a newbie run hoary quite yet.02:31
lunitikMobyTurbo: true... but else its a false statement  :/02:31
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lunitikeven though I make enough of my own  :o02:31
deepsightogra, it didnt work, maybe because i have a mess mixing all the kernels... so now ho i uninstall the other kernels.. bahh i just RTFM02:32
MobyTurboOK, a one-time increase in time for warty.02:32
ogradeepsight: just uninstall the packages you dont need ;)02:33
lunitikMobyTurbo: plus it still 'Hit''s :/   (ie, checks that nothing changed)02:33
MobyTurbolunitik, the hits are very fast. I'm on a 56K modem and they last a fraction of a second.02:34
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lunitikMobyTurbo: blah... why even have them if you don't intend to compile anything in the archive?02:35
lunitikMobyTurbo: most don't even use it anyways... they go get the tar.gz etc...02:35
deepsightogra, yei, uninstalling 2 kernels now02:36
MobyTurbolunitik, because if something is broken you might be able to fix it.02:36
lunitikMobyTurbo: a nebie?02:36
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MobyTurbolunitik, sometimes a fix might be a one-line change that could be communicated even to a newbie.02:36
lunitikMost have no idea about it...02:37
deepsightogra, is you nick for female ogre in spanish?02:37
MobyTurbolunitik, I never was of the opinion that one must dumb things down because of people who allegedly can't learn.02:37
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ogradeepsight: nope, lol, its only an abbreviation of my name02:38
deepsightogra, oh well it means that ;)02:38
ogradeepsight: Oliver Grawert ;)02:38
deepsightogra, nice to meet you, Jose Garduno here02:39
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ogradeepsight: hi :)02:39
lunitikMobyTurbo: eh... then uncomment when its needed?  (thats what I do) ... no point them being active... only actives I have are the main and resticted repos  :/02:39
deepsightogra, so im going to reboot maybe some reboot magic helps02:39
MobyTurbolunitik, your choice.02:39
deepsightthe reboot fairy02:39
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lunitikMobyTurbo: pretty logical too... why do I want everything coming down for an upgrade?02:40
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ogradeepsight: kernel wise its not a fairy ;)02:40
MobyTurbolunitik, I run Warty so that doesn't ever happen here.02:40
MobyTurbolunitik, if it did it would take 10 minutes.02:40
narkcehhow to start xfc4?02:40
narkcehi installed it02:41
deepsightogra, dont ruin my fantasies... i just learned that santa claus doesnt exists02:41
MobyTurbonarkceh, log out, and select it from a menu in gdm.02:41
lunitikMobyTurbo: blah... I never ran warty for more than a day after it was released   :/02:41
deepsightso i come02:41
narkcehMobyTurbo: ok, thanks02:41
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MobyTurbolunitik, running hoary with a 56K modem is impractical...02:41
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bdalelunitik: define 'involved'?02:42
lunitikbdale: working on... seperate from Debian  ;)02:43
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lunitikps... holy shit, you talked  :P02:43
bdalelunitik: not really.  I'm running warty on one of my amd64 systems at home, that's mostly it02:43
lunitikbdale: cool  :)02:44
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El_Chelunitik: you a bdale groupie? :)02:46
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topylibdale: well, this is the place to get help on your ubuntu problems ;)02:47
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rem_hey all ..02:47
lunitikEl_Che: hah... nah... just know he was a Debian Project Leader...02:47
rem_I try to mount a usb mem stick ...but cant find any sd* in /dev ..how should this be done in ubuntu ?02:47
narkcehhow did you say that how to change mouse settings?02:48
topyliwajig should be promoted essential methinks :)02:48
lunitiknarkceh: lsmod | grep psmouse  <-- shows up?02:49
bdaletopyli: what problems?02:49
narkcehso i write lsmod to console?02:49
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topylibdale: just kidding. since you have a ubuntu box...02:49
lunitiknarkceh: 'lsmod | grep psmouse' yes02:49
narkcehoh, ok thanks02:49
rem_anyone knows how to mount a usb mem stick ?02:49
lunitiknarkceh: yeah... but we're not done... did it show up?02:50
netmonkrem_, it should be automatic in Ubuntu02:50
narkcehlunitikit says psmouse 17800 002:50
narkceh* lunitik02:50
rem_well...its not in mine ... :(02:50
netmonkrem_, are you on warty or hoary?02:50
narkcehwhen i write lsmod | grep psmouse02:50
lunitiknarkceh: ok... cat /dev/input/mouse0  <-- do that, move mouse... ctrl c to stop it...02:51
rem_shouldnt there be a /dev/sda1 like in debian or even mdk/rh ..=02:51
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MobyTurborem_, I think it's created on the fly02:51
lunitiknarkceh: 'reset' if you get goofy charactors after...02:51
rem_tahts right ..02:51
rem_but it didnt with ubuntu .. ?:(02:52
netmonkrem_, when I was on warty I opened my usb flash on /dev/sda102:52
lunitiknarkceh: type it, don't do it...02:52
rem_ok thx02:52
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narkceh"cat /dev/input/mouse0"?02:52
lunitiknarkceh: yes02:52
netmonkrem_, but my wifes usb flash was always mounted on /dev/uba or something like this02:52
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rem_didnt find any uba..or like it ..02:53
lunitikThen move the mouse... should get output on the screen... telling you it is actually working02:53
narkcehlut says that file doesnt exitst02:53
netmonkrem_, is hotplug working?02:53
narkcehlunitik: it says that there isnt that kind of file or directory02:53
narkcehneed root?02:54
rem_oh ...i just remember something my usb scanner stopped working yesterday after a powershortage, although my pc stayed on (ups), and the scanner takes power from usb(?!) ..but that might be the reason...!02:54
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narkcehnope it wont work on that way either02:54
lunitiknarkceh: bah... for some reason, seems you need 'sudo cat /dev/input/mouse0'...02:54
rem_..its prbably my usb not working properly ..02:54
lunitiknarkceh: might get same error though  :/02:54
lunitiknarkceh: in which case... I don't know how to get it back  :(02:55
narkcehyes i got the same error02:55
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netmonkrem_, sorry02:55
rem_thx anyway :D02:55
narkcehso there isnt any autoconf thing like in debian setup?02:55
lunitikbdale: you're a genius... he needs to add a device for his mouse... /dev/input/mouse0 is gone... you know how off hand?  :)02:55
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narkcehi think my mouse is in ps/202:56
lunitiknarkceh: hence pointing you at that file  :/02:56
MobyTurbonarkceh, then it should be /dev/psaux02:56
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lunitikMobyTurbo: no... thats Linux 2.4  :/02:57
MobyTurbolunitik, I have it here, even with a USB mouse.02:57
lunitikeh... actually... both work here...  :/02:57
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MobyTurbolunitik, it's probably on my system because I have a PS/2 port for a mouse, albeit one that's unused.02:58
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narkceh. /dev/psaux/mouse0?02:58
lunitiknarkceh: no02:58
MobyTurbonarkceh, no, just /dev/psaux02:59
lunitiknarkceh: 'sudo cat /dev/psaux'02:59
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narkceh"cat /dev/psaux"?02:59
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lunitikMobyTurbo: blah... just making sure its working elsewhere  :P03:00
MobyTurbolunitik, j/k03:00
narkcehso it should work now?03:00
lunitikbdale: ahh... I get 'permission denied' here... even with sudo  :(03:00
lunitiknarkceh: mm... we are seeing if it works... next is letting X know about it...03:01
lunitiknarkceh: you got garble on the screen though?03:01
MobyTurbonarkceh, if your terminal gets messed up by the garbage, type "reset"03:01
narkcehi dint get anything when i wrote "cat /dev/psaux03:02
Pointwood/dev/hdc1 shouldn't that be root (hd1,0) in Grub? I have hda1 as (hd0,1)03:02
lunitiknarkceh: did you move the mouse yet?03:02
lunitikdo it03:02
narkcehwrite reset?03:02
lunitikmove mouse03:02
narkcehit doesnt move anywhere03:02
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lunitikdo you get output on screen due to it though? (in the terminal)?03:03
narkcehwhen i write cat /dev/psaux it says nothing03:03
narkceha row where is nothing03:03
lunitiknarkceh: thats strange03:03
narkcehhow to shut down gnome03:04
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lunitiknarkceh: /etc/init.d/gdm stop03:04
narkcehthen ill write cat /dev/psaux and startx03:05
lunitiknarkceh: ok... should be no difference though03:05
narkcehor ill remove gde and use fxe403:06
lunitiknarkceh: would be faster to just hit ctrl+alt+f103:06
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narkcehill remove gnome03:06
narkcehand use xfc403:06
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lunitiknarkceh: its not the GUI's fault... its X's.03:06
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MobyTurbonarkceh, you might want to get your mouse working before you switch window managers, GNOME doesn't deal with the mouse - X does.03:07
narkcehlunitik: huh?03:07
lunitikwell... I'm guessing its X's... definatly not GNOME's though03:07
MobyTurbonarkceh, Linux has multiple layers in it's graphical environment.03:07
narkcehi know but gnome is gay for my 200mhz machine03:07
MobyTurbonarkceh, agreed03:08
linuxboyif I right click on the clock in ubuntu. Then click on  Adjust Date & Time. Then click on Sync with clocks on the net, it says 'Please run NTP support in the system to enable synchronisation of your local time server with internet time servers'. What must I do to fix this?03:08
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MobyTurbonarkceh, have you ever thought of running Debian Sarge instead for that machine? You say it's low on diskspace and aren't going to be using GNOME anyway so running a minimal distro might be the thing for you.03:08
lunitiklinuxboy: apt-get install ntp03:08
lunitiklinuxboy: or ntp-server03:09
lunitikI think that -server03:09
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lunitikyes... 'apt-get install ntp-server'...03:09
newbietoubuntuI am new to Ubuntu Linux.  I can't get my mp3's or mpg's to play.  I have succesfully copied them across from my windows machines.  Totem and Music player both gives failed to open:reason unknown.  Anyone give me some advice?03:10
lunitikMobyTurbo: you could just have him use custom... same thing  :/03:10
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lunitikMobyTurbo: cept this way... you don't have to tell him where to find files etc... he already has them03:10
MobyTurbolunitik, true. But in that case he's reinstalling anyway.03:10
bob2newbietoubuntu: er, read the FAQ03:10
bob2newbietoubuntu: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats03:10
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snowblinknewbietoubuntu: http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs03:14
newbietoubuntuthanks all for your help03:14
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narkcehlunitik: is "cat /dev/psaux" the command that i should use right?03:15
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lunitiknarkceh: sudo that yes03:15
BGenesislunitik: Win 98 simply won't let me share, even after I checked Allow File Sharing in Control Panel > Network.03:16
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narkcehlunitik: it doesnt work. ill just throw the computer out of the window and buy a comp where is usb mouse compatible03:17
lunitikBGenesis: bah... add 'FIle and Print services' in the same place...03:17
BGenesislunitik: Already there.03:17
lunitikBGenesis: then you should call microsoft  :/03:17
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snowblinklunitik: so edit the wiki ;)03:18
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lunitiksnowblink: I have... pleanty of times  :/03:18
BGenesisDamn, all I wanted to do was transfer my music :D03:18
Golfergood morning people03:18
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snowblinklunitik: that's the answer to your question then03:19
lunitikBGenesis: Microsoft employs people to help you with that... I'm not at a Winblows box... going by memory there  :/03:19
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lunitiksnowblink: I just think whoever wrote ubuntuguide (you?) was silly03:19
GolferPsyk[o hello03:19
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Psyk[oI need a little help..03:20
lunitikPsyk[o: just tell us what is wrong... and we will try to assist you :)03:20
Psyk[oI'm trying from several days to install nvidia driver on my ubuntu :( today finally i've installed it, but when the X session start the system is sloooooow...03:20
narkcehlunitik: what kind of comp you have03:20
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Psyk[othe mouse pointer dissapear... the window refreshing is slow... :(03:20
lunitiknarkceh: a pos Duron 95003:20
lunitik512 ram though03:20
vixuslunitik, back on linux.03:21
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snowblinklunitik: no I didn't write it. However, I think numerous sources for how to do things is valid. There is always more than one way to do things.03:21
narkcehlunitik: do you have ps2 mouse?03:21
lunitikvixus: cool.. still can't help you more with the windows side though...03:21
lunitiknarkceh: yes03:21
narkcehlunitik: did you use "cat /dev/psaux"03:21
lunitiknarkceh: yes03:22
MobyTurboPsyk[o, all you have to do is install nvidia-glx then "nvidia-glx-config enable".03:22
lunitik'sudo cat /dev/psaux'03:22
narkcehand then it didnt say nothing03:22
lunitiknarkceh: make sure you are using the sudo!!!03:22
lunitiknarkceh: it says nothing... but spits out garble as you move the mouse03:22
narkcehi have written sudo 100034x times03:22
narkcehand mouse doesnt move03:22
lunitiknarkceh: mouse won't move... text should appear on screen!!03:23
lunitiknot really text... charactors03:23
Psyk[oMobyTurbo, I've tried, but I've received this output: Error: your X configuration has been altered.03:23
Psyk[oThis script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this03:23
Psyk[onot correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following03:23
Psyk[omd5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum03:23
Psyk[ootherwise edit manually /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change the Driver section03:23
Psyk[ofrom nv to nvidia.03:23
narkcehlunitik: how to change mouse settings in gnome?03:23
Psyk[othen I edited /etc/x11/xorg.conf, i've changed nv to nvidia and i've commented Load "dri"03:23
narkcehlunitik: without terminal03:23
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lunitiknarkceh: you don't want to do it in gnome... gnome doesn't deal with that...03:24
lunitiknarkceh: you have to use cli!03:24
vixuslunitik: Yeah, the linux side is fine, I can get into the Windows Network -> Our domain. It's my stupid windows 98 box that sucks.03:24
narkcehlunitik: cli?03:24
MobyTurboPsyk[o, you also need to comment out GLCore if it's there, and uncomment glx.03:24
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lunitiknarkceh: Command Line Interface03:24
lunitiknarkceh: the terminal03:24
narkcehlunitik: but it doenst work03:25
zombicswhat's the best way to install wine on ubuntu 64-Bit?03:25
narkcehlunitik: so there is nothing to do03:25
Xappenarkceh, have you checked that your mouse is /dev/mice (think that's the ubuntu default) in your xserver configuration (XF86config-4 or xorg.conf)03:25
vixuszombics: sudo apt-get install wine ?03:25
narkcehXappe: "cat /dev/mice"?03:26
narkcehXappe: "sudo cat /dev/mice"?03:26
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zombicsvixus, he cant find it :/03:26
ralf_Xappe, that would be /dev/input/mice, no?03:26
Xapperalf_, true03:26
vixuszombics: Who can't find it?03:26
zombicsvixus, apt-get :P03:26
narkceh"sudo cat /dev/input/mice"?03:26
lunitikXappe: he is using a ps/2 mouse... psmouse is loaded... would be /dev/input/mouse0 for ps/2 and /dev/input/mice for usb03:26
ralf_narkceh, yes03:27
Psyk[oMobyTurbo, there isn't GLCore, and i've uncommented glx..03:27
zombicsvixus, from what i heard ther is no 64Bit pack for wine03:27
Xappelunitik, no, my ps/2 mouse is /dev/input/mice03:27
vixuszombics: Oh, you want it to be 64-bit. Won't the normal wine work? (I don't know much about this stuff.)03:27
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MobyTurboPsyk[o, you might want to look at the error logs of X then (in /var/log)03:28
Psyk[oMobyTurbo, ok, thx03:28
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Psyk[oI'll back soon :)03:29
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Xappenarkceh, check your XF86Config-4  (or xorg.conf if you use Hoary)03:29
narkcehi dont have nothing but /dev/input/event0 or event1 or mice03:30
narkcehhow to chect XD86config-4?03:30
lunitiknarkceh: cat /dev/input/mice03:30
lunitiksee if that does it03:30
lunitik(spits garble out)03:30
narkcehill just trow the computer out of the window03:31
zombicsvixus, i am using ubuntu 64BIT. if i can use the 32 BIT pac and it will work so i dont care....03:31
lunitikXappe: if the device does "nothing"... then how will it help to configure X for the mouse?  :/03:31
MobyTurbonarkceh, have you checked your mouse cable? Maybe its a hardware problem.03:31
narkcehi did check it03:32
MobyTurbonarkceh, see if it's plugged in well03:32
narkcehits plugged03:32
MobyTurbonarkceh, OK03:32
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Drizzt321does warty use standard /dev devices, or udev?03:32
Xappelunitik, ah ok...03:32
lunitikDrizzt321: udev03:32
MobyTurboDrizzt321, udev03:32
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Gul3hi, i need a linux iso extractor. is there any?03:33
Drizzt321lunitik, MobyTurbo: thanks, I'll make sure to adjust my thinking, I'm used to standard dev.03:33
lunitikGul3: you in Linux?03:33
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narkcehlunitik: ill destroy my computer with hammer and axe03:33
Gul3lunitik: yes03:33
narkcehlunitik: and mouse too03:33
Drizzt321Gul3: loopback device driver. modprobe loop; man losetup and go from there, pretty simple03:33
lunitikGul3: mount -o loop /path/to/iso /where/to/mount03:34
segfault-t iso966003:34
lunitiksegfault: that too  :)03:34
Gul3so it is that easy:)03:34
lunitikGul3: yup  :)03:34
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Drizzt321Gul3: if you also need to make an iso, but not burn it directly to disc, look into mkisofs03:35
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Psyk[MobyTurbo, would you take a look to my xorg.log file?:(03:35
Drizzt321Gul3: though most cd burning frontends will do that for you if you say to a file03:35
Psyk[I can't understand anything :(03:35
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Glen_hi all03:36
lunitikPsyk[: paste it on pastebin.com03:36
Drizzt321hey Glen_03:36
Glen_im having a problem with grub, any onw willing to help?03:36
Gul3sudo mount -o loop tes3comp.iso -t iso9660 TEST/ leavs me this: mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#03:36
mz2aargh, i still haven't gotten the same cursor back03:36
Drizzt321Glen_: I'll give it a shot03:36
Glen_hey Drizzt :)03:36
Psyk[lunitik, ok thx03:37
mz2am using the weird transparent whiteish one now03:37
Glen_D&D Fan :P03:37
Drizzt321Gul3: lsmod | grep loop03:37
Drizzt321Gul3:  does that give you anything back?03:37
Drizzt321Glen_: indeed03:37
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Psyk[lunitik, here is the link http://www.pastebin.com/24138203:37
Gul3Drizzt321: no03:37
Drizzt321Gul3: grep loop /proc/filesystem, does that give you anything?03:38
Glen_Drizzt321 can you see my provate messge?03:38
Xappemz2, the original ubuntu cursor is jimmac03:38
Drizzt321Glen_: yes, however in the future its polite to ask people before /msg them03:38
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Neil3Gul3, file roller can view inside iso images afaik03:38
Gul3Drizzt321: No03:38
Drizzt321Gul3: ok, you need to, as root, modprobe loop03:38
Glen_oh right, sorry Drizzt321, im new :(03:38
Glen_well my problem is bootin to windows in GRUB03:38
Drizzt321Glen_: thats fine, I'm just letting you know for the future :)03:38
Drizzt321Glen_: ok, have you tried looking in the grub man page?03:39
Drizzt321Glen_: err...nm, that doesn't have much of that stuff03:39
mz2Xappe, thx03:39
Glen_well do it on here then: i have ubuntu installed, i think my problem is something to do with not being able to boot from the second harddrive (hd1)03:40
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topyliDrizzt321: well, the grub man page has almost nothing. see the info page instead03:40
Drizzt321Glen_: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Multiboot-with-GRUB.html03:40
Drizzt321topyli: yea, I just noticed that03:40
Xappemz2, i change to jimmac yesterday because i got tired of waiting for an update of the industrial engine03:41
Drizzt321Glen_: thats a mini-howto at tldp.org - the linux doc project03:41
Gul3Drizzt321: thanks, worked now:)03:41
Drizzt321Glen_: :)03:41
vixuslunitik: Got it working =D03:41
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mz2fair enough03:43
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Glen_# on /dev/hdc103:43
Glen_titleWindows NT/2000/XP03:43
inserhow are u?03:43
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Glen_that my entry in GRUB, i think i need to use the: grub> map (hd0) (hd1)03:43
Glen_grub> map (hd1) (hd0) but i dont know how03:43
Drizzt321Glen_: also, please do not paste multiple lines into here, go to #flood or post it on pastebin.com03:44
Gul3ok, so then a wine related question. when i try to start Setup.exe it gives me this: You must copy a 'stdole32.tlb' file to your Windows\System directory! You can get one from a Windows installation, or look for the DCOM95 package on the Microsoft Download Pages." how do i get around this?03:44
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Glen_oh sorry, just copied and pasted. i didnt know it was gonna do lodsa lines03:44
Drizzt321Glen_: each line in the file will produce a line in here03:45
Glen_ok sorry, ill remember hat in future, however do u understand what i mean?03:45
zombicswhen i am trying to compile wine i get this error: "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"03:45
Drizzt321Glen_: so you have 2 physical hard disks that you are trying to dual boot?03:46
Glen_i think it is 'cos i have windows on my Secound harddrive, and grub cannot boot froma  secound harddrive, thats why i mentions the MAP command03:46
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Glen_i.e. grub> map (hd0) (hd1) | grub> map (hd1) (hd0)03:47
Drizzt321Glen_:  ok, so instead of (hd0,0), you would use (hd1,0) or if it is not slave, use hd2 or hd3 as appropriate03:47
Drizzt321Glen_: heres the grub online manual with the naming conventions: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Naming-convention.html#Naming%20convention03:48
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Glen_<Drizzt321: is there a way i can just use LiLO instead, install LiLO to a Floopy or something and leave GRUN on my MBR just incease it down work?03:51
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Glen_because i have useds Mandrake before and LILO worked fine03:51
Xappehmm, the problem is that windows has to think it's on the first disk to boot correctly?03:52
Drizzt321grub works fine as well, just a different way of doing things. I'm not expert on dual booting with grub though, unfortunately.03:52
Glen_this GRUB doesnt work, cos it didnt work onn SuSE either, and now its not working on Ubuntu so it must be GRUB03:52
Glen_ok cheers03:52
Drizzt321heres the section on booting windows....   http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/DOS-Windows.html#DOS%2fWindows03:52
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Drizzt321not sure if it'll help more03:52
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Glen_ok drizzt321, can i ask, do u know where about i wud put the  "grub> map (hd0) (hd1) | grub> map (hd1) (hd0)" command in my menu/list file?03:53
Glen_menu.lst* even (the file GRUB use's)03:54
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Drizzt321Glen_: here's the configuration section, you can use that as a base guide for adding in the section http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Configuration.html#Configuration03:55
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Psyk[o] anyone can take a look at my Xorg log? I'm fighting with xorg and nvidia drivers :(03:57
Drizzt321Psyk[o] : I can try, but I haven't run Xorg yet :\03:57
scoonPsyk[o] , what is in the log.  what is the err ?03:58
scoonPsyk[o] , i am running x.org w/ nvidia and all is well.03:58
Psyk[o] it seems to is all ok in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and nvidia module loaded.. .but i cant start xorg :( the log is here: http://www.pastebin.com/24138203:59
Psyk[o] I have a Nvidia Fx5200 card03:59
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Wellyhey guys04:00
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Drizzt321Psyk[o] : ok, the problem is in your config file. you do not have a Screen section that contains a valid configuration04:01
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Drizzt321Psyk[o] : I've had this happen to me before on X11, so you'll need to go in and edit your Xorg config file04:02
Psyk[o] Drizzt321, but with the same config if i change "nvidia" to "nv" it works...04:02
Drizzt321Psyk[o] : go into your config file and look in the Screen section and see if something might need to be changed04:02
matPsyk[o] : are you sure the nvidia kernel module is loaded / is working ?04:03
mati.e., try reloading it04:03
Psyk[o] mat, yes:  lsmod | grep nv04:04
Psyk[o] nvidia               3470364  004:04
Drizzt321Psyk[o] : would you paste your config file on pastebin?04:05
Psyk[o] Drizzt321, sure04:05
matalso, if reloading the module works: sometimes, the nvidia module compiled for an old kernel (or an old kernel configuration), would load but not work. so you could just try rebuilding the module (probably useless if you are using the packages though)04:06
Psyk[o] Drizzt321, http://www.pastebin.com/24138604:06
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_|Imanewbie|_hi all! fdisk says my partitions doesn't end on the cylinder boundary what am I supposed to do format the whole HD? theri is any tool to fix it?04:06
Glen_hey im editing LiLO, wha does this mean "boot=Insert_your_boot_device_here", anyone?04:06
zombicshow can i install flash player on my ubuntu 64 system?04:07
_|Imanewbie|_zombics getthe binary and just ./it04:07
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zombics_|Imanewbie|_, Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the Macromedia Flash Player installer.04:08
matzombics: mail macromedia :] 04:08
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Drizzt321Psyk[o] : hrmmm04:08
Drizzt321Psyk[o] : and so the only difference in nvidia instead of nv?04:09
_|Imanewbie|_mat amem04:09
Psyk[o] Drizzt321, yes...04:09
_|Imanewbie|_no one got a suggestion for me?04:09
zombicsmat, bhaa :/04:09
vixusI need an ID3 tag editor for linux.04:09
chillywillybah, my printer has stopped working04:09
vixusCause rhythmbox is stupidly case-sensitive.04:09
Drizzt321vixus: try madman04:09
matzombics: <insert rant about proprietary software> :)04:10
_|Imanewbie|_vixus I did one as homework :D04:10
segeany last words before i upgrade to hoary? does it even work? =)04:10
Drizzt321Psyk[o] : have you tried rmmod nvidia; modprobe nvidia to reload the kernel module?04:10
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_|Imanewbie|_sege ive upgrade yesterday andmy sistem crashed04:10
matvixus: search for "id3" in the package list :)04:10
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Drizzt321vixus: madman has a great tag editing feature, but its also great as a search/jukebox and works great with xmms04:10
Psyk[o] Drizzt321, yes, I've tried :(04:11
sege_|Imanewbie|_: bad =)04:11
vixus_|Imanewbie|_, can I have it?04:11
_|Imanewbie|_vixus it was for windows =(04:11
Drizzt321Psyk[o] : anything showing up in your /var/log/syslog after you try and start the server?04:11
gusHi all, I'm having some trouble installing ubuntu on my CDless laptop. I installed the ubuntu base system on the laptop drive by installing it in my desktop as HD0. The base system boots on the desktop, but I get errors on transferring basck to the lappie.04:11
_|Imanewbie|_vixus my teacher doesn't use linux04:11
Psyk[o] Drizzt321, I haven't looked at syslog, I can try to run X and paste that log..04:12
Drizzt321Psyk[o] : no, don't04:12
Drizzt321Psyk[o] : it'll be too large, we're just interested in the end, you can use the tail program for that04:12
vixusMadman takes up 18.2 MB. I think its unnecessary for just editing id3 tags04:13
Psyk[o] ok, I'm going to do that04:13
Drizzt321vixus: well, it does alot more than just tag editing04:13
Drizzt321vixus: you looked at the site?04:13
_|Imanewbie|_vixus http://easytag.sourceforge.net/04:13
parazoidHow can i unpack an Ace-file04:13
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vixusdoes xmms support ID3 tag editing and playlists? XP04:14
gusAfter "Uncompressing linux... Ok, booting the kernel" I get an ACPI error (old laptop, no acpi support) followed by "/bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" then a kernel panic "VFS: Unable to moount root fs on unknown-block(0.0"04:14
matparazoid: try installing unace :)04:14
chillywillyI think I broke my CUPS04:14
Drizzt321vixus: yes, you can edit the id3 tags in xmms04:14
_|Imanewbie|_chillywilly get a glass :p04:14
vixusgot it then Drizzt32104:14
Drizzt321vixus: its not the easiest way to do it, but you can04:15
Drizzt321vixus: its kind of clunky04:15
vixusill get easytag then04:15
Drizzt321vixus: yea, you might. I just looked at it and the interface looks a whole lot better than doing it through xmms04:15
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Drizzt321Psyk[o] : anything?04:16
Psyk[o] Drizzt321, here is the log http://www.pastebin.com/24139004:16
gusAny suggestions?04:17
Drizzt321Psyk[o] : do you have the correct permissions for device /dev/nvidia0?04:17
_|Imanewbie|_I love gentoo ppl-> RTFM lol lol he is a newbie get him!04:17
Drizzt321lol _|Imanewbie|_04:18
Psyk[o] Drizzt321, i dont know04:18
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Drizzt321Psyk[o] : ls -l /dev/nvidia004:18
Psyk[o] crw-rw----  1 root video 195, 0 2005-02-13 16:14 /dev/nvidia004:18
Drizzt321Psyk[o] : ok, now as you're user, do groups, see if you are in group video04:19
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_|Imanewbie|_I know I'm beeing a pain in the a$$ but unless you say you don't know I will keep asking cause it is damm important for me. Im unable to install linux cause fdisk says that 2 of my partitions doesn't end on cilinder boundary04:19
aaronc_ukhi everyone, can anyone help me install bluetooth support04:19
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Psyk[o] Drizzt321, yes, I am04:19
vixusI need to change all the songs from They Might be Giants to They Might B%e Giants.04:19
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parazoidmat, thanks :)04:20
Drizzt321Psyk[o] : how about for /dev/nvidiactl?04:20
Golfer_|Imanewbie|_ have you searched google?04:20
Psyk[o] crw-rw----  1 root video 195, 255 2005-02-13 16:14 /dev/nvidiactl...04:20
Drizzt321Psyk[o] : and lspci shows it at 1:0:0?04:21
vixusDrizzt321: I thought I could batch them! :|04:21
Psyk[o] it's strange... I've installed nvidia drivers with no problems under fedora-core and suse..04:21
Drizzt321Psyk[o] : yea, I've used them under debian fine, but not with Xorg, I haven't worked with that specifically yet04:22
Psyk[o] 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]  (rev a1)04:22
Drizzt321Psyk[o] : hmph. yup04:22
Drizzt321vixus: ah...you can do that retag change thing in madman. not sure what else might have it, I haven't investigated that04:22
_|Imanewbie|_Golfer sure04:23
topylivixus: easytag, or a fancy sed command04:23
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Drizzt321Psyk[o] : I have no clue. it does seem as if the nvidia X drivers(not the kernel drivers) are failing04:24
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Drizzt321Psyk[o] : you looked on the wiki.x.org to see if others are having this problem?04:24
_|Imanewbie|_Golfer it says my partition table might be inconsistent but doesn't say me how to fix it up04:24
Drizzt321Psyk[o] : cause I'm out of ideas04:24
Psyk[o] Drizzt321, no, I'll take a look... btw, thanks for all! :)04:24
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Drizzt321Psyk[o] : you're welcome. good luck with it!04:25
aaronc_ukive got bluetooth working, but i cant get gnome bluetooth deb installed##04:25
Golfer_|Imanewbie|_ seems to me that maybe where you want to be looking rather then and Ubuntu help channel04:25
darksatanic_|Imanewbie|_: Do you have anything on there that you need to keep?04:25
vixusDrizzt321, use the Scanner in easytag.04:26
vixusIt worked a treat.04:26
vixusNow... how do I get Bluetooth working? (I want to use Blue Remote)04:26
Drizzt321vixus: ok :) glad to hear it04:26
Drizzt321vixus: um...I wish I had some bluetooth. if you send me it I'll figure it out for you ;)04:26
vixusBut really. bluez-utils... installed it... then what?04:27
vixus(I've got it wrong right?)04:27
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Drizzt321vixus: go to google and search04:27
_|Imanewbie|_darksatanic Ive backuped everything I need04:28
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universalcan someone help me adding dvd to my fstab???04:29
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darksatanic_|Imanewbie|_: OK. Do you have a live CD? (Ubuntu Live CD, Knoppix, something that you can boot from and get a command prompt?)04:29
aaronc_ukim trying to dpkg --install bluez-utils and im getting this04:29
aaronc_ukdpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of bluez-utils:04:29
aaronc_uk bluez-utils depends on libbluetooth1 (>= 2.10); however:04:29
aaronc_uk  Version of libbluetooth1 on system is 2.7-4.04:29
aaronc_ukdpkg: error processing bluez-utils (--install):04:29
aaronc_ukis 2.7 not higher that 2.104:30
eKLimhie... anyone knows how to configure USB DSL modem?04:30
_|Imanewbie|_darksatanic should I format andrepartition everything?04:30
Drizzt321aaronc_uk: its 2.10, not 2.1 it wants04:30
aaronc_ukahh, not sure where to get that from04:30
darksatanicYou can get rid of the partition table from a Linux command prompt with "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=1 bs=512"04:31
darksatanic(Assuming that the disk in question is /dev/hda)04:31
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_|Imanewbie|_darksatanic will it solve the problem than? I got no linuxI got just windows now04:31
Drizzt321aaronc_uk: no clue, you search the net for libbluetooth and find out where its home is? start there04:31
darksatanicIf you wipe the partition table totally, it should do, yes.04:31
darksatanicHowever, you *will* lose everything on the disk.04:31
_|Imanewbie|_darksatanic I will go fdisk old style :)04:31
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_|Imanewbie|_I backuped university stuff just will have to keep soulseek open for somedays04:32
eKLimi got an Aztech DSL Turbo 100 USB modem, and i have some problems to configure it.04:32
eKLimanyone know how?04:32
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DXTin a class method, can i possibly return 'this' by reference? 'return *this' or I'll have to return a pointer anyway?04:33
universalaaronc_uk, can u help how to set my dvd in fstab?04:33
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DXToops wrong chan04:33
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SeanQyou're only in this chan? lol04:33
DXTthat belonged to the c++ chan :p04:34
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SeanQah, got it.04:34
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vixusIs there a blueremote binary for ubuntu?04:34
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membreyahow do you prioritise network connections? ie have my ethernet as my main connection and my wireless as a backup04:35
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universalcan someone help me mount dvd in fstab?04:36
SeanQuniversal, hold on04:36
_|Imanewbie|_universal google04:36
vixusBluetooth WORKS! I love ubuntu.04:36
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vixusEverything on it has worked so far: Audio, DVD, bluetooth.04:36
vixusSee ya.04:37
membreyauniversal: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/04:37
mlambieuniversal: my fstab looks like this: /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   auto    ro,user,noauto  0       004:37
vixusuniversal: ubuntuguide04:37
universalok, thx! i will see04:37
membreyamlambie: if you have a dvd burner change the ro to rw04:37
mlambievixus: what dongle are you using? I tried with a belkin a few months back and it was horrible. never got it working.04:37
SeanQi looked at ubuntuguide for universal, can't find it04:37
SeanQcan find how to mount it, but not fstab04:37
mlambiemembreya: true, but I don't ;)04:37
darksatanicmembreya: I don't think using rw will make any difference.04:38
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membreyadarksatanic: i had problems when i first installed...but i was using warty04:38
membreyahoary rocks04:38
chillywillyyay, I fixed my CUPS ;)04:38
Golferro,rw makes no difference04:38
darksatanicWell, the reason is that the options there are only for mounting an existing filesystem.04:38
membreyacept I cant install nvidia drivers!04:38
mlambieactually, my dvd burner is mounted with : /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       004:39
SeanQi don't think my wireless works with hoary04:39
darksatanicThe writing is done through an entirely different mechanism.04:39
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membreyaaahh ... I stand corrected darksatanic04:39
Drizzt321gah, burning a full DVD takes forever!04:39
hybrid_SeanQ what kinda wirelees card you have?04:39
SeanQI use the linux-wlan-ng04:39
blahseanq what wireless chipset do you have?04:39
membreyaoh god linux and irc are making me lazy with typing.. I just pressed tab to try to spell a work :\04:40
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SeanQi've done that, membreya.\04:40
membreyaword even!04:40
SeanQregardless if they obseleted prism2_usb, i can still run it with ndiswrapper04:40
hybrid_SeanQ is that a usb wireless adapter?04:40
SeanQNetgear MA-11104:41
membreyahoary makes my acx1100 work out of the box :)04:41
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hybrid_and you got it to work with linus? how hard was it04:41
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Drizzt321lol membreya04:41
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membreyaproblem is ..it's a netgear and it's a bad combo ...it looses connection after a few days and I have to hard restart the router04:42
membreyaso I want to know how to use the eth0 as primary04:42
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SeanQwell, what kind of router?04:42
SeanQi run straight netgear..netgear adapter -- netgear router04:42
SeanQi'm a cheapskate04:42
darksatanicmembreya: Take a look at your routing table.04:43
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darksatanic"route -n"04:43
darksatanicYou will need to hack that up to make the eth0 your default route.04:43
membreyawlan0 is listed first04:43
Psyk[o] Drizzt321, something happens... i've uninstalled the nvidia official driver with --uninstall option, then I've installed the linux-restricted-modules packages... Now the X server works with nvidia drivers but the system is very sloow, the mouse pointer dissapear and glxgears run at 1-2 fps...04:44
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membreyahmmm gateway says the eth0 is the gw04:44
zombicsevery time i try to apt-get build-dep i get this error: E: Build-Depends dependency for wine cannot be satisfied because the package libcapi20-dev cannot be found"04:44
Drizzt321Psyk[o] : hrm...not sure. I haven't used the linux-restricted-modules package at all04:44
parazoidmat, are you good at this unace-program?04:45
Banditwonder what hoary will be like when its not unstable :)   Server Uptime 4 days, 0:42:2104:45
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dejavucould use some help here ppl !04:45
membreyawhats wrong dejavu04:45
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Psyk[o] Drizzt321, hehe, now i try to ask the question to the channel :)04:46
topylizombics: build the library first, if you can find a debian source04:46
Psyk[o] For all: Anyone have trouble with nvidia+xorg and system slowness ?04:46
dejavuwhen i open my nautilis viewer it opens folders in a new window !04:46
universalSeanQ, ok, i tried to follow the guide with my dvd-player..... but as i will play dvd in xine it still says something about EML...04:46
zombicstopyli, huh? :\04:46
Golferwhat do you mean system slowness04:46
dejavui want  a folder  tobe opened in the same window !04:46
SeanQhm, i don't know04:47
universalsomeone who can help?04:47
casimirdejavu: you can turn off spatial browsing in gconf04:47
Golferuniversal in terminal type xine-check04:47
universalGolfer, ok04:47
topylizombics: if you use unstable sources, some build-deps may be impossible. so you'll need to build them from unstable too. can turn into a vicious circle :)04:47