[12:00] <balton> I'm having a pretty weird problem - I installed Windows & Ubuntu on a dualboot and when i was in windows, the system reboot all of a sudden..when grub came up it booted into ubuntu, but i got a crc error..so i rebooted the system, and then all of a sudden it said "No operating system found" and grub didn't come up - So i tried putting in the ubuntu install disc again, but again, when uncompressing linux, i got a crc error..I also tried a gen
[12:00] <osvaldo> alexrait, sadly i don't have access to my hoary install at the moment, sorry.
[12:01] <osvaldo> alexrait, try gaim.
[12:02] <kbrooks__> hrm
[12:02] <kbrooks__> oops
[12:02] <kbrooks__> wrong room
[12:02] <tatterdemalionpr> balton, could the hd be bad?
[12:03] <hector_> i need lots of help can somebody help me???
[12:04] <Nafallo> hector_: just ask in the channel and people will probably answer...
[12:04] <kirt> Has anyone else been getting slow DNS lookups recently?  I've tried disabling ipv6 and my firewall.. neither had any effect.
[12:04] <balton> tatterdemalionpr - I'm not sure...there are two drives in the box - a 40Gb with windows, and a 250Gb w/ a windows partition and linux
[12:04] <balton> tatterdemalionpr - should i try disconecting the hard drives, and then booting off a livecd..?
[12:04] <hector_> i'm tryng to mount a fat partition and i can't do it
[12:05] <spinifex> where is the log file for xorg?
[12:05] <balton> tatterdemalionpr - but i don't know how a bad hard drive would affect uncompressing linux off a livecd - doesn't the livecd not touch them at that point..?
[12:05] <alexrait> osvaldo, it was just an example of course: :) I do use gaim..
[12:05] <hector_> the first time that i can do it, i can't see the folders
[12:06] <tatterdemalionpr> balton, bad cd?
[12:06] <spinifex> does xorg keep a log file when you start up?
[12:06] <tatterdemalionpr> balton, wrong cd drivers?
[12:07] <bascule> bad RAM, bad IDE channels
[12:07] <balton> i dont think so - i said i tried both ubuntu and a gentoo livecd, plus i've used both cds many times in the past..
[12:07] <balton> bascule - what does bad ide channels mean? like how would i fix that...
[12:07] <tatterdemalionpr> new motherboard
[12:08] <balton> tatterdemalionpr - i see..
[12:08] <tatterdemalionpr> but i doubt thats your probles
[12:08] <tatterdemalionpr> problem
[12:08] <bascule> well, it's a sarcastic one really, bad IDE channels would need a new motherboard so let's hope not
[12:08] <bascule> ;)
[12:08] <bascule> balton: ^
[12:08] <lupusBE> W00T
[12:08] <bascule> hi new install guy :)
[12:09] <balton> should i go check unplugging the hard drives, or one at a time? (the computer is a floor away so it will take me a bit :) )
[12:09] <bascule> lol,
[12:09] <bascule> what is happenong, hang on
[12:09] <balton> with me?
[12:09] <bascule> try turning of virus check in BIOS if it has such a thing
[12:10] <vivlachaga> sorry in my sources list i have a url is only this url or exist mirrors?
[12:10] <bascule> balton: yeah I scrolled back
[12:10] <balton> let me go check some of these things...i'll be back in a bit - thanks so far
[12:12] <Slant> Has anyone seen the Apache2 / PHP4 / libpcre issue, and knwo how to fix it?
[12:18] <thundrcleeze> hi
[12:19] <thundrcleeze> I've got that problem with ICEauthority not letting me in again (on a different computer this time) and I can't remember the command to fix it.
[12:20] <bascule> chown <you> ~/.ICEauthority
[12:20] <thundrcleeze> thanks again, bascule
[12:21] <bascule> rm -f ~/.ICEauthority is an other way, up to ypu
[12:21] <bascule> np
[12:21] <balton> ok i'm back
[12:21] <bascule> how goes things balton
[12:22] <balton> i tried undoing the drives one by one, and it didn't fix it, but when i took out one of the sticks of ram it booted up the ubuntu install disk...now i'm goign to try putting the drives back in and hopefully it will work again
[12:22] <bascule> bad RAM of cource crc check at  the top of the BIOS POST
[12:23] <Funto> wow
[12:23] <Funto> hello
[12:23] <antibios> hello
[12:23] <bascule> hi, popular isn't it :)
[12:23] <Funto> yes lol
[12:23] <Funto> I suppose you all are Ubuntu users...
[12:24] <antibios> loving the ubuntu
[12:24] <bascule> good guess
[12:24] <Funto> hmm I'm new to this distrib
[12:24] <Funto> and I can say I'm new to Linux too
[12:25] <antibios> got a question that i wanted to ask before I start logging a bug report
[12:25] <AlphaXero> how do you de-link /dev/dvd from /media/cdrom0 ?
[12:25] <Funto> there still are problems with hardware :(
[12:25] <valdez> Funto: what kind of hardware?
[12:25] <Slant> AlphaXero: Take a look in /etc/fstab.
[12:25] <Funto> 1st, the modem
[12:25] <Funto> then, the printer
[12:25] <antibios> my sounds keeps breaking and I just wanted to check that it isn't a hardware problem
[12:25] <Funto> and the scanner too...
[12:25] <Funto> :(
[12:25] <antibios> Also give me the error: ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:549:(snd_pcm_hw_start) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_START failed: Broken pipe
[12:25] <AlphaXero> i forgot the cmd
[12:26] <AlphaXero> ln something
[12:27] <valdez> Funto: the modem seems to work though? :p
[12:27] <Funto> I don't understand...Ubuntu is based on Knoppix isn't it? So why does Knoppix recognize hardware Ubuntu doesn't?
[12:27] <Funto> valdez >> no :(
[12:27] <Funto> It's a SpeedTouch USB
[12:27] <bascule> arrrrgh modem from hell ...
[12:27] <jdub> Funto: no, it's not
[12:27] <AlphaXero> slant, /dev/dvd isnt in there
[12:27] <jdub> Funto: the warty livecd was based on morphix
[12:28] <Funto> and Morphix on Knoppix?
[12:28] <jdub> Funto: the latest hoary test livecds are based on a new system, and recognise all the hardware that the installed system does
[12:28] <jdub> loosely now
[12:28] <Funto> wow
[12:28] <valdez> Hoary works pretty good for me right now .. aka kicks ass
[12:28] <Funto> a new system...a new distrib?
[12:28] <jdub> no, a new livecd infrastructure
[12:29] <Funto> ?
[12:29] <bascule> i got a SpeedTouch USB to work once, rebooted and it never worked again
[12:29] <AlphaXero> ah ok, its sudo ln -s /media/cdrom0 /dev/dvd <---how do i undo this?
[12:29] <bascule> tm -f /media/cdrom0
[12:29] <Funto> bascule >> it happened to me too ^^ but with Mandrake
[12:29] <bascule> rm*
[12:29] <valdez> never liked usb modems ..
[12:30] <Funto> there is a script in Kaella
[12:30] <AlphaXero> that removes the link bascule?
[12:30] <bascule> Funto: the modem sucks completely, get a router, sorry but that is the way it is ..:(
[12:30] <Funto> Kaella is a french versio nof Knoppix
[12:30] <Funto> and that script permits it to connect in 30 seconds...
[12:30] <bascule> AlphaXero: yes
[12:30] <Funto> bascule >> in fact I managed to make the system recognize the modem
[12:31] <Funto> and it thinks it works
[12:31] <Funto> but...it doesn't :D
[12:31] <bascule> AlphaXero: oops rm -f /dev/dvd
[12:31] <randabis> hoary pissed me off earlier :p I did an update and it brought back that awful debian menu
[12:31] <AlphaXero> ok thanks bascule
[12:31] <valdez> lol
[12:31] <jdub> randabis: remove menu-xdg
[12:31] <godo> me too
[12:31] <bascule> AlphaXero: /media/cdrom0 will be a directory anyway
[12:32] <bascule> Funto: I think with 2.4 kernels it was fine, 2.6 forget about it
[12:32] <Funto> hmm
[12:32] <Funto> however the Kaella script works either with 2.4 and with 2.6...
[12:32] <bascule> AlphaXero: it is ln -s /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /dev/dvd
[12:32] <bascule> or /dev/hdc /dev/dvd
[12:33] <bascule> or /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd
[12:33] <Funto> (where could I dl Hoary?)
[12:33] <bascule> Funto: perhaps they have a direct line to Benoit Papillault
[12:34] <Funto> a...direct line? you mean...?
[12:35] <bascule> he perhaps was a devel there ...
[12:35] <Funto> ah you mean in Kaella?
[12:35] <bascule> yes
[12:35] <Funto> I don't know
[12:36] <Funto> the fact is that it is a french distribution and that my modem is widely used in France ^^
[12:36] <bascule> UK too, wanadoo give them out like candy, cause that's all they are worth ;)
[12:37] <cindux_> back :P
[12:37] <tweek888> is there a compile guide anywhere? i reall cant figure it out :(
[12:37] <cindux_> Totem still brokey..
[12:37] <tweek888> really*
[12:37] <drqk_> how do i get phph to work with apache2 ?
[12:37] <godo> how how i get item RealPlayer out of the menu?
[12:37] <tezza> how would i go about getting the functionality from my touchpad on my laptop so when i press in on it it performs a click ?
[12:37] <valdez> cindux: what's up with totem? mine's stable
[12:37] <godo> if have deinstall it
[12:37] <cindux_> tezza are you talking about that little black/grey pad?
[12:38] <cindux_> godo try right clicking it
[12:38] <cindux_> you should have the remove option
[12:38] <godo> ok
[12:39] <balton> bascule - thanks for the help, looks like it's all good again
[12:39] <randabis> jdub removing that also removes kde lol
[12:39] <balton> bascule - i'm pissed off that the stick of RAM is bad already, i bought it at xmas!
[12:40] <cindux_> lol
[12:40] <cindux_> i have a bunch of sticks of pc133 you can have :D
[12:40] <cindux_> er damnt
[12:40] <bascule> balton: send it back
[12:40] <Funto> is it possible to install Ubuntu Hoary on the DD from the live-cd?
[12:40] <cindux_> anyone know how to msg nickserv
[12:40] <cindux_> to "login"
[12:40] <cindux_> keeps saying cindux is in use by another but i dont know command
[12:41] <cindux_> to verify i am cindux
[12:41] <bascule>  /msg nickser ident <pssword>
[12:41] <randabis> Funto, theoretically you could
[12:41] <cindux_> ah
[12:41] <bascule>  /msg nickserv ident <password>
[12:41] <randabis> it'd be kinda like installing gentoo from a livecd
[12:41] <cindux_> thought it was identify
[12:41] <cindux_> alright brb
[12:41] <tobbe> msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
[12:41] <bascule> ident identify ...
[12:41] <tezza> cindux_, yer, it's a laptop and usually if you press it it acts as a click
[12:42] <Funto> And is there a script to install it, like under Knoppix?
[12:42] <randabis> no
[12:42] <cindux> woo
[12:42] <cindux> thankey
[12:42] <randabis> that's why I said theoretically
[12:42] <godo> no icons for Trash and Desktop
[12:42] <randabis> you'd have to improvise your own way to install ubuntu from a livecd
[12:42] <netmonk> am i doing somethig wrong or is it a bug that every time I start synaptic the settings are back to proxy I used some time ago?
[12:42] <randabis> I think it would be somewhat similar to installing gentoo
[12:42] <randabis> you'd need to chroot, etc
[12:43] <godo> how to fix it,cindux?
[12:43] <cindux> huh?
[12:43] <Funto> ok thx randabis
[12:43] <bascule> cindux: sets mode +e no new memos? If so good
[12:43] <cindux> = /
[12:44] <bascule> 23:44 -!- Mode change [+e]  for user bascule
[12:44] <bascule> 23:44 -MemoServ(MemoServ@services.)- You have no new memos
[12:44] <cindux> oh
[12:44] <cindux> yes i saw that
[12:44] <cindux> lol
[12:44] <bascule> coolyou are in .. :)
[12:44] <cindux> :D
[12:44] <godo> how i get the icons Trash and Desktop back?
[12:45] <cindux> do you mean the desktop icons ?
[12:45] <cindux> or the ones in the bottom menu
[12:45] <Funto> with gconf-editor I think
[12:45] <godo> on the left
[12:45] <Funto> if you're talking about the icons on the desktop
[12:45] <godo> there is only a thumbnail
[12:46] <godo> on the down panel
[12:47] <tweek888> is there a guide to basic compileing?
[12:47] <bascule> ./configure && make && sudo make install <-- that easy
[12:47] <tweek888> can you explain sudo?
[12:48] <cindux> lol
[12:48] <cindux> is sudo an acronym ?
[12:48] <bascule> do as [S] uper [U] ser
[12:48] <tweek888> k
[12:48] <cindux> that cheap crap
[12:48] <Funto> bascule >> but there isn't gcc on Ubuntu....
[12:48] <tweek888> well ive tried make and it says theres no makefile =\
[12:48] <bascule> Funto: oh there is I can assure you
[12:48] <cindux> this may be dumb
[12:48] <cindux> what is the difference between root & super user?
[12:48] <bascule> none
[12:49] <Funto> at least in my Hoary distrib, the package gcc isn't installed...
[12:49] <cindux> 2 words for the same thing ?
[12:49] <Funto> (I wanted to say Warty)
[12:49] <cindux> so, when i type sudo su i'm basically asking for a session as root
[12:49] <bascule> Funto: not installed is none, not the same ... :)
[12:49] <cindux> aka super user?
[12:49] <bascule> yup, aka god aka ownz everything and everyone
[12:49] <cindux> woah
[12:49] <cindux> cool ^
[12:50] <tobbe> If I've understand it right there can be many super users, and root is one of them_
[12:50] <tobbe> ?
[12:50] <bascule> "Do not take the name of root in vain" -- Linus Torvalds
[12:50] <cindux> maker of the linux kernel
[12:50] <cindux> at something university
[12:50] <bascule> yes, he said that
[12:50] <cindux> lol
[12:50] <cindux> cool name
[12:50] <cindux> who looks at a kid & says Linus
[12:51] <Firsti> Linus Torvalds was born in finland, me too :)
[12:51] <bascule> tobbe: no many users can sudo but only ever one super user uid=0 root
[12:51] <Funto> tobbe: there is juste one superuser...
[12:51] <cindux> .. I wonder if Linus was born as Tommy
[12:51] <celerex> someone wanna tell me why ubuntu requires i have mpm-worker installed but can't have mpm-prefork as well for apache? But mod-php required mpm-prefork
[12:51] <Funto> and his name is root
[12:51] <tobbe> Ok
[12:51] <cindux> :O
[12:51] <hummm> sorry i know this is off topic, but this is a helpful channel and programers linger here too. How can one tell DDD to display struct members with names?
[12:51] <izo> how can i unpack compressed ubuntu mainmod1.mod file ?
[12:51] <theine> hi, will libavcodeccvs eventually enter multiverse?
[12:52] <tobbe> cindux, A Finnish mom and dad looks at a kid and says Linus ;)
[12:52] <Funto> hummm: what is DDD?
[12:52] <valdez> hrm su does not stand for super user really
[12:52] <cindux> loll
[12:52] <theine> valdez: it doesn't?
[12:52] <tobbe> switch user
[12:53] <valdez> substitute user
[12:53] <valdez> ;)
[12:53] <theine> i see
[12:53] <hummm> Funto: it's a front end for gdb
[12:53] <valdez> it's not just for mr root
[12:53] <theine> nice to know
[12:53] <hummm> (not that it matters)
[12:53] <valdez> :)
[12:53] <Funto> ok
[12:53] <Funto> so I can't help you hummm ^^
[12:53] <Funto> printf is your friend...:p
[12:54] <tobbe> well, it does kind of matter... you can do 'su <what ever username>' to change to any user
[12:54] <bascule> switch user or super user, hence sudo, maybe ..
[12:54] <valdez> does anyone where I can find the homepage of totem?
[12:54] <bascule> sudo bascule 'some task' also works though
[12:55] <Funto> the page for Totem sends a 404 error :(
[12:55] <Funto> well I'm going to sleep
[12:55] <Funto> bye everybody
[12:55] <Funto> +
[12:56] <bascule> laters
[12:57] <tobbe> I'm trying to compile a program and get this message: Checking for C header file time.h... no
[12:57] <tobbe> Did not find the header time.h
[12:57] <tobbe> What do I have to apt-get to get time.h?
[12:59] <bascule> tobbe: depends what time.h it wants they exist for a few things, libc6-dev, glibc-dev
[01:00] <nealmcb> how do I find out the status of a package in various ubuntu releases?  e.g. whether hplip is in hoary yet?  I.e. I'm looking for ubuntu versions of debian web pages like http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/hplip
[01:00] <tobbe> bascule, How do I find that out?
[01:01] <bascule> find what out?
[01:01] <bascule> it's libc6-dev in this case
[01:02] <tobbe> ok, thanks
[01:02] <Lethorion> hi, how do I set it up so entrance is started at boot and not gdm?
[01:03] <tobbe> bascule, I already have that installed
[01:04] <randabis> nealmcb, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[01:04] <bascule>  < bascule> tobbe: depends what time.h it wants they exist for a few things
[01:05] <bascule> could be glibc-linux-headers or a python package wxPythin
[01:05] <kent> is there a way to make perl script executed from / in apache? i can execute them from cgi-bin, but i cant find any documents about running them from / instead :(
[01:06] <bascule> stlport-STLPORT_5_0
[01:06] <bascule> howl-0.9.8:/usr/include/howl/salt/time.h
[01:07] <tobbe> I'll try with stlport-dev
[01:07] <bascule> yeah, it's about narrowing down what it needs
[01:07] <nealmcb> randabis: thanks!!
[01:07] <randabis> np
[01:08] <I_Need_Help> whats a word processor I can use in Ubuntu
[01:09] <delltony> question if you have never set a root password on ubuntu how do you go about setting it? i try to su root but i can't it ask for a password but i know i haven't set up
[01:09] <I_Need_Help> delltony: just use 'su'
[01:09] <tobbe> I_Need_Help, try oowriter (OpenOffice.org Writer)
[01:10] <delltony> ok
[01:10] <delltony> su ask for a password
[01:10] <delltony> what do i enter
[01:10] <I_Need_Help> ur password you set ubuntu with
[01:10] <delltony> doesn't work i'm telling you
[01:10] <I_Need_Help> then you do not know your password
[01:10] <delltony> what did i just say :)
[01:10] <delltony> it was never set
[01:10] <bascule> su wants root password which doesn't exist
[01:11] <bascule> sudo su
[01:11] <I_Need_Help> sudo su
[01:11] <FLeiXiuS> bascule: sudo passwd root
[01:11] <FLeiXiuS> bascule: then you can use su -
[01:11] <bascule> or that
[01:11] <delltony> got it
[01:11] <delltony> thanks
[01:11] <bascule> sudo su && paswd
[01:11] <bascule> sudo su && passwd
[01:11] <FLeiXiuS> bascule: no..
[01:11] <I_Need_Help> and ty for the OOwriter
[01:11] <delltony> i got it
[01:12] <bascule> FLeiXiuS: OK, I got it...
[01:12] <bascule> <-- knows sudo su works
[01:15] <tobbe> bascule, Still can't find time.h I've got glibc, stlport and libc6 installed
[01:15] <delltony> wonder k3b has to run with sudo k3b i can't get it to do the k3bsetup and add the root pass
[01:16] <Lethorion> is it enough to just remove the gdm symlink in /etc/rc5.d and add a entrance symlink for it to run entrance and not run gdm?
[01:19] <LonelyRat> hiya
[01:19] <LonelyRat> how can i get aterm to use the font "bitstream vera sans mono" instead of an ugly bitmap font
[01:21] <bascule> tobbe: what are you trying to build
[01:22] <bascule> LonelyRat: I don't think aterm supports 2-bythe fonts
[01:22] <bascule> byte*
[01:22] <felix_1> Hi all, apache2 cannot runs scripts (php; etc...) : "User not alowed to run scripts" : Someone knows what that means ?
[01:24] <LonelyRat> aww
[01:24] <LonelyRat> xterm supports it, i thought aterm was based on xterm
[01:24] <spinifex> When I hit 'logout' in gnome, it takes about 5 minutes for it to actually show the dialog box where I can select shutdown/restart.  I think this may be caused by my graphics card not liking the dimming effect it's supposed to do.  I'm using Hoary.  Advice?
[01:24] <bascule> don't think any term does really konsole and gnome-terminal have a go but they look awful
[01:24] <spinifex> I already hit the button, still waiting for it to show
[01:24] <LonelyRat> xterm looks nice
[01:24] <LonelyRat> but i can't get it transparent and tinted
[01:25] <bascule> xterm wont do those things no
[01:25] <spinifex> my chipset is very crappy, but I am able to play chromium and frozen bubble and armagetron straight from processor, very fast
[01:25] <tobbe> bascule, I'm trying to build linuxdcpp
[01:25] <spinifex> ah, there it is
[01:26] <spinifex> know how I can disable the effect or something?  I don't want to wait 5 minutes while it does nothing every time I want to shutdown
[01:28] <spinifex> hmm, actually, once I've made it show the logout thing, it will quickly load it again.
[01:28] <spinifex> any reason for this slowness?
[01:29] <tobbe> bascule, http://linuxdcpp.berlios.de
[01:29] <spinifex> running out of batteries, brb
[01:29] <felix_1> ... sorry for re-asking: Apache2 cannot runs php scripts: "User not alowed to run scripts" : what that means ??? I am newbie in webserver instasllation-configuration
[01:30] <bascule> tobbe: needs a cvs checkout right?
[01:30] <bascule> <-- can't be bothered
[01:31] <ultrahex> hmmmm PalmPilot Support ..
[01:33] <tobbe> bascule, yeah, it needs a cvs checkout, but it's really small. Will only take a couple of secs on a .5MBit connection
[01:34] <aardvark> hwo do I do a reisnstall of Gnome ? on warty
[01:34] <nealmcb> randabis: I pointed to http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/  from a few ubuntu wiki pages
[01:34] <lupusBE> can someone tell me if gnome-vfs depends on libgnome ?
[01:34] <lupusBE> gconf seems to be without it
[01:34] <lupusBE> but whatabout gnome-vfs?
[01:35] <aardvark> anyone help me with reinstalling gnome ?
[01:35] <bascule> tobbe: all right then ... ;)
[01:35] <GammaRay> aardvark: that's probably not necessicary.
[01:35] <GammaRay> aardvark: what's the problem?
[01:36] <randabis> mmk
[01:36] <aardvark> I installed ATI drivers and know gnome is not working properly
[01:36] <aardvark> I get login
[01:36] <ultrahex> can someone help me with jpilot
[01:36] <ultrahex> i cant figure out what to put for "/dev/ttyUSB ..."
[01:36] <aardvark> then just hangs for while and pops out back to login screen
[01:37] <aardvark> did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:37] <GammaRay> aardvark: so you get to the graphical login screen?
[01:37] <aardvark> yes
[01:37] <aardvark> its like gnome is wacky
[01:38] <GammaRay> can you try creating another user and logging in with it?
[01:38] <delltony> dang how do you change the themes for xchat? i'm in small fugly mode :)
[01:38] <aardvark> hmm let me try
[01:39] <bascule> tobbe: client/QueueManager.h:174: warning: taking address of temporary
[01:39] <bascule> scons: *** [build/client/ADLSearch.o]  Error 1
[01:39] <bascule> scons: building terminated because of errors.
[01:39] <bascule> faile anyway
[01:39] <tobbe> But you didn't get the time.h error?
[01:39] <ultrahex> how would i list connected devices (such as USB and serial etc)
[01:39] <bascule> lsusb
[01:40] <GammaRay> aardvark: FYI: go to the first VT, login, then enter: sudo adduser test1
[01:40] <ultrahex> bascule: ok now how would i change bus and device # to a /dev/pilot
[01:41] <bascule> no idea
[01:41] <GammaRay> aardvark: you should also check ~/.xsession-errors
[01:41] <ultrahex> ugh ://///
[01:42] <aardvark> GammaRay: you beut
[01:42] <aardvark> beaut!
[01:42] <aardvark> it must be a permissions issue
[01:43] <aardvark> checking .xsession for my account
[01:43] <Rocha> Hello
[01:43] <arbeck> I'm having trouble trying to connect an external USB hard drive... I can see it when i do an fdisk -l and I have my /etc/fstab set up for it... but it won't mount
[01:43] <GammaRay> one time .Xauthority was owned by root and that caused a similar problem for me
[01:44] <Rocha> Do you know the name of the program to enable drop shadows in xorg
[01:44] <Rocha> ?
[01:44] <bascule> ~/.Xauthority ~/.ICEauthority
[01:45] <bascule> Rocha: xcompmgr
[01:45] <bascule> transset
[01:45] <Rocha> bascule, thanks
[01:46] <bascule> Rocha: it's buggy as hell and will probably freeze your desktop
[01:48] <Rocha> btw, can i watch divx with totem-gstreamer?
[01:48] <bascule> totem-xine
[01:48] <Rocha> bascule, and dvd's ?
[01:48] <bascule> needs win32codecs I think, or is there an open one for it now , I can't remeber
[01:49] <Rocha> i can't download totem-xine (dialup connection)
[01:49] <GammaRay> win32-codecs is much larger AFAIK
[01:49] <bascule> dvd's work for me, I use xine, I haven't had a go at totem yet, I like xine, has always worked for me
[01:50] <bascule> that gstramer thing is new and strange to me :)
[01:50] <Rocha> i hope gstreamer replaces xine soon
[01:50] <lupusBE> gstreamer is still giving sync probs here
[01:50] <bascule> I dont I hope its the other way .. :)
[01:50] <lupusBE> with audio and video :(
[01:51] <Neil3> i have problems with gstreamer too
[01:51] <aardvark> GammaRay: it seems that there is a lot of weird issues now with gnome
[01:51] <bascule> kill esd and gstreamer bring in jackd and xine-libs for all
[01:51] <Neil3> try to avoid it if possible
[01:51] <GammaRay> dlocate says totem-xine is 2M and win32-codecs is 12M ( a little low to me)
[01:51] <AlphaXero> totem-xine doesnt come with the lidvdcss2 codec that it needs
[01:52] <AlphaXero> besides, 12M seems a little high for a codec, not the other way around
[01:52] <aardvark> GammaRay: how do I do a fresh install of gnome ?
[01:52] <GammaRay> AlphaXero: it includes *many* codecs
[01:52] <bascule> AlphaXero: not one codec lots, wmv wma in there too
[01:53] <AlphaXero> so why is totem-xine small is my point
[01:53] <arbeck> Can someone help me with mounting a usb hard drive?
[01:53] <Underlord> does ubuntu (non live) have any sort of firewall by default?
[01:53] <AlphaXero> i think 2M seems about right
[01:53] <bascule> Underlord: all Linux has a default firewall at the kernel level, apps are just front ends to that
[01:54] <GammaRay> aardvark: the main settings files in your home dir are ~/.gnome2 ~/.gconfd
[01:54] <AlphaXero> i installed VLC and it works pretty well for dvd's
[01:54] <AlphaXero> if anyone is still around that had that concern
[01:54] <ultrahex> man im having so much trouble getting palm to work with UBUNTU
[01:55] <AlphaXero> i know we were talking about it earlier
[01:55] <Neil3> AlphaXero, totem-xine is small cos it uses xinelib to do it's stuff
[01:55] <GammaRay> aardvark: I would use mv so as to keep them just in case
[01:55] <Neil3> it's just a shell for it
[01:55] <Underlord> well i just tried to use a java applet in firefox that connects to 8801 of a server, and it failed
[01:55] <Underlord> just wanted to know if it was on my end
[01:56] <ubuntu2u> hey
[01:56] <GammaRay> aardvark: the reason you have to reinstall in windows is because windows usually does not seperate the settings.
[01:56] <Neil3> it really is that small :)
[01:56] <Rocha> bye, this dialup connection is expensive
[01:56] <SeanQ> Wow.
[01:56] <alumik> hi
[01:56] <SeanQ> It was THAT easy.
[01:56] <SeanQ> I was about to go back to Fedora, but alas, it was all MY fault
[01:56] <ubuntu2u> where do the files that i "save to disk" go?
[01:57] <SeanQ> I put in "prism2_usb", was supposed to put in "wlan0"
[01:57] <ubuntu2u> it didn't give ma an option
[01:57] <SeanQ> when I put in wlan0, boom, i've got web
[01:57] <SeanQ> save to disk should go to../home/username
[01:57] <SeanQ> i think
[01:57] <SeanQ> question
[01:57] <ubuntu2u> seanq, are you having problems connecting to your internet?
[01:57] <SeanQ> i was, but i was so stupid
[01:57] <SeanQ> it was trivial
[01:57] <SeanQ> Question.
[01:57] <aardvark> GammaRay: so move the gconf files and then what ?
[01:57] <SeanQ> Where are my win32 files?
[01:57] <aardvark> restart gdm
[01:58] <SeanQ> meaning my ntfs files
[01:58] <GammaRay> aardvark: relogin
[01:58] <aardvark> cool
[01:58] <bascule> SeanQ: /dev/hda1 at a guess
[01:58] <AlphaXero> ok i'm starting to have fun with ubuntu
[01:58] <SeanQ> NvM found in UbuntuGuide
[01:58] <ubuntu2u> sean
[01:58] <ubuntu2u> are you having problems connecting to your internet?
[01:59] <SeanQ> no..i'm connected
[01:59] <ubuntu2u> lol ok
[02:00] <SeanQ> finally.
[02:00] <ubuntu2u> can anyone help me with telling me where my files go when i download them and save them to disk... it didn't give me an option. it just said save to disk
[02:00] <Neil3> into ~ usually
[02:00] <tobbe> ubuntu2u, look in /home/<username>/
[02:00] <Neil3> your home dir
[02:01] <tommy> hey, i have a problem.  i just did a fresh install of ubuntu but i cant use sudo to run commands (its asking for a password even though i havent set one with `sudo passwd root`).  what should i do?
[02:01] <tobbe> just open up a console and enter 'cd'
[02:01] <Seq> tommy: it wants your user password
[02:01] <tommy> oh
[02:01] <tobbe> and then 'ls' and you should see the file you downloaded
[02:02] <tommy> Seq, thanks.  i feel a lot dumber ;)
[02:02] <Neil3> its your user password hehe
[02:02] <ubuntu2u> tobbe/neil3: sorry for sounding like a noob but where do i go to get to home directory
[02:02] <GammaRay> ubuntu2u: compuer -> home
[02:02] <ubuntu2u> nvm
[02:02] <ubuntu2u> found it lol
[02:02] <Neil3> in /home/ubuntu2u
[02:02] <Neil3> everything in there is your stuff
[02:03] <Neil3> your settings and personal files
[02:03] <nal> hi i was wondering if some one could tell me how to make a back up cd with stuff like ndiswrapper and other things ineed and make apt-get or sanaptic see it
[02:06] <arbeck> I am unable to mount and external USB hard drive.  It mounts just find on my mac and and XP machine... the ubuntu box also mounts my digital camera as a USB hd automatically... can someone help me out?
[02:07] <cindux> back :D
[02:07] <cindux> damn't
[02:07] <cindux> anyone know what codecs i need for wmv & mpeg in Totem
[02:08] <Civic> hallo
[02:08] <cindux> allo
[02:08] <cindux> everyones quiet
[02:09] <Civic> where can i ask something about ubuntu?
[02:09] <mike998_AFK> best off asking in #ubuntu
[02:09] <Civic> i'm speeking from greece
[02:09] <LinuxJones> Civic, right her :P
[02:09] <LinuxJones> Civic, err here
[02:09] <Civic> well
[02:10] <Civic> i have installed ubuntu 4.10 in my pc
[02:10] <Civic> i have a problem with my modem device
[02:10] <cindux> external / internal ?
[02:10] <Civic> i have an ISDN
[02:10] <Civic> external
[02:10] <cindux> ah
[02:10] <cindux> ok and the problem?
[02:11] <Civic> it's USB
[02:11] <Archon> how do you activate root?
[02:11] <Civic> the name of the modem is
[02:11] <Civic> Intracom Netmod
[02:11] <cindux> Have you tried Netowkring COnfig
[02:11] <Civic> the problem is that i can't communicate with the modem
[02:12] <cindux> Go to Computer > System Configuration > Network Settings
[02:12] <cindux> I had to do manualy as well
[02:12] <cindux> takes a few seconds
[02:12] <Civic> i cant find ttyACMO in my /dev/tty list for the modem
[02:13] <Civic> it has only the ttyS0,1,2,3,
[02:13] <cindux> hm odd
[02:13] <cindux> have you posted on the forum?
[02:13] <Civic> no
[02:13] <cindux> I'd recommend that
[02:13] <Civic> :)
[02:13] <cindux> I just began with Ubuntu & LInux a few days ago
[02:14] <cindux> I cant really offer any help
[02:14] <cindux> still learning the shell :p
[02:14] <Civic> :)
[02:14] <bc> gedit
[02:14] <cindux> hm ... #gimp is the shitty channel lol
[02:14] <bc> (sorry! typed in wrong text box!
[02:14] <cindux> those assholes never talk
[02:15] <tommy> anyone want to help me with getting divx support?
[02:15] <tommy> these wiki instructions arent working..
[02:16] <cindux> :p
[02:16] <trashmatic> hey, im a new user, and i need some help printing to a windows computer via samba
[02:16] <trashmatic> i got it to work on fedora 2, but the config tools are different here...
[02:18] <ubuntu2u> when i download a file it won't let me open it
[02:18] <ubuntu2u> can anyone help?
[02:18] <ubuntu2u> it says "can't display location"
[02:18] <trashmatic> i mean, what needs to go in the "host" and "printer" fields? what syntax? and when i put in the username and password it gets all mangled if i open the properties window again
[02:18] <trashmatic> i can't find any documentation
[02:19] <arbeck> trashmatic: i've always found it easier to put the printer on linux and print to it from windows
[02:19] <cindux> get ready everyone for an extremely stupid ass question..
[02:20] <cindux> I'm from windows, never going back... I was just wondering before i create a folder on the desktop
[02:20] <trashmatic> arbeck: i'd like to be able to do that, but because of location and family politics, it's not happening
[02:20] <cindux> is their a DIR already on ubuntu
[02:20] <cindux> for "my files"
[02:20] <cindux> "my documents"
[02:20] <cindux> etc
[02:20] <trashmatic> arbeck: either i get it to print from linux, or this computer turns windows, unfortunately
[02:21] <wasabi_> So I'm looking for a good utility of some sort to get some sort of load graph for each of my HDs... suggestions?
[02:21] <tobbe> cindux, no. Just create them in your home folder
[02:21] <wasabi_> graphical, etc.
[02:21] <cindux> =
[02:21] <brrrrt> does anyone know if its save to uninstall and reinstall all perl packages using apt ?
[02:21] <cindux> my home folder would be... home/cindux ?
[02:21] <tobbe> yeag
[02:21] <wasabi_> brrrrt, why would you?
[02:21] <rockwilder> i try to install the ati drivers with this faq http://www.melb.apana.org.au/Melb/MelbWiki/ATIRadeon9600 but i don't understand this part...
[02:21] <rockwilder> make-kpkg --append-to-version "-1-<arch>" --revision "<vers>"--added-modules fglrx-4.3.0-3.12.0 modules_image
[02:22] <cindux> hm
[02:22] <brrrrt> wasabi: i seem to have broken perl modules
[02:22] <cindux> oh, how do i list ALL files with the "ls" command
[02:22] <cindux> ls -a?
[02:22] <trashmatic> wasabi_: gkrellm?
[02:22] <bascule> ls -al
[02:22] <cindux> bla
[02:22] <cindux> thanks
[02:22] <cindux> i was close!
[02:22] <bascule> or -a
[02:22] <rockwilder> can anyone help? ^^
[02:22] <arbeck> rockwilder, what do you need?
[02:23] <rockwilder> i don't know what i must select
[02:23] <bascule> either -a shows . files add the l you get file info add an h you get 'human readable' file sizes
[02:23] <rockwilder> sorry for my bad english
[02:23] <bascule> ls -alh
[02:23] <rockwilder> make-kpkg --append-to-version "-1-<arch>" --revision "<vers>"--added-modules fglrx-4.3.0-3.12.0 modules_image
[02:23] <cindux> ah icic
[02:23] <cindux> i wanna figure out everything
[02:24] <cindux> i went to a site for the command line introduction
[02:24] <cindux> says type bla bla to do bla bla
[02:24] <cindux> but doesnt say what it is..
[02:24] <cindux> like the program "less" that lets you text files
[02:24] <cindux> didnt tell me what less actually meant
[02:24] <bascule> cindux: http://www.dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_toc.html <-- your ready ;)
[02:25] <bascule> http://linuxcommand.org
[02:25] <cindux> perty
[02:25] <cindux> been there :p
[02:25] <cindux> i've been using it
[02:25] <bascule> too easy for the likes of you though
[02:25] <arbeck> cindux: i'd highly suggest getting a basic linux/unix book or printing out a guide... it's helpful and good to have around as a reference (espcially when you get stuck in vi)
[02:25] <cindux> Oo
[02:25] <trashmatic> cindux: there's a free book called "linux: rute user's tutorial and exposition"
[02:25] <cindux> i have a chapters gift thingy lol
[02:25] <SeanQ> wonder what i'll do with my "Fedora Core 3 for Dummies" book now
[02:26] <cindux> :P
[02:26] <SeanQ> I'll read it, it still gives some good general information
[02:26] <trashmatic> cindux: i have the hard copy, and it's great, everything is done on the command line and explained
[02:26] <cindux> hm maybe ill check it out
[02:26] <cindux> is it free + shipping or something
[02:26] <trashmatic> cindux: i think the text is free online as html or pdf
[02:27] <Neil3> this site is awesome SeanQ: http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[02:27] <cindux> k searchin for it
[02:27] <trashmatic> cindux: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/
[02:27] <cindux> I downloaded several pdf's before to
[02:27] <cindux> but they were to big
[02:27] <bascule> 01:25 < bascule> http://linuxcommand.org ;P
[02:27] <trashmatic> it's all html
[02:28] <Neil3> haha i didnt see that sorry
[02:28] <SeanQ> NICE, Neil3.
[02:28] <Neil3> but that just proves how good a site it is
[02:28] <SeanQ> Is there anyway I can change the Xchat theme here in ubuntu?
[02:28] <cindux> ah trash looks good
[02:28] <cindux> thanks alot
[02:29] <trashmatic> hth
[02:29] <s1amson> typing 'info' in a shell gives  good basic commands as well
[02:29] <arbeck> SeanQ, it should pick up whatever gnome theme you are running
[02:29] <SeanQ> ah, mmkay.
[02:29] <SeanQ> Well, this black background + white font kinda clash
[02:29] <ultrahex> hmmm
[02:30] <s1amson> goto xchat prefs, and change it
[02:30] <arbeck> SeanQ, settings->prefrences-> interface->colours
[02:30] <SeanQ> ooh, transparency looks good
[02:30] <mike998_AFK> seaj
[02:30] <cindux> how can i exit the terminal from the terminal ?
[02:30] <cindux> quit / exit ?
[02:30] <SeanQ> cindux, type "exit"
[02:31] <cindux> ah
[02:31] <mike998_AFK> SeanQ check out the art ubuntu forums... there are some nice examples of what you can do
[02:31] <cindux> the command line makes me feel powerful :D
[02:31] <s1amson> the command line _makes_ you powerful
[02:31] <s1amson> its not a false feeling :] 
[02:31] <bascule> cindux: that is because it is thee mostpowerful tool in modern cmputing, without equal in any way
[02:31] <cindux> lol :P
[02:32] <cindux> woo
[02:32] <bascule> "beware the power of the enter key" -- some dude
[02:32] <s1amson> funny thing, its not a modern concept, original DOS wernt none too shabby
[02:32] <SeanQ> WOAH!
[02:32] <_|Immanewbie|_> Hi everyone, guys I'm having trouble to partition my disk
[02:32] <SeanQ> 14,211 files!
[02:33] <arbeck> i cut my teeth on DOS... but i always replaced command.com with 4dos.com
[02:33] <arbeck> that made it cool
[02:33] <s1amson> :] 
[02:33] <bascule> s1amson: been arount since 1971 or something, just never bettered, cause it does what you tell it and that is that :))
[02:33] <arbeck> Can anyone give me some advice about an external USB hard drive?
[02:33] <Gul3> hello. could my ubuntu computer been affected by a virus or something if i'm not running any apps, or heavy processes that i know of, but still system monitor says 100% cpu load and about 200 MB used memory...? this does not make any sense to me at least..
[02:33] <s1amson> nice to be in control over your computer <bashing> than the computer in control over you </bashing>
[02:34] <bascule> plug it in type dmesg see where it connected it mount -t auto /dev/sd?? /some/dir
[02:34] <cindux> back
[02:34] <tobbe> arbeck, As in which one to get?
[02:34] <_|Immanewbie|_> Gul3 linux has no virus
[02:34] <bestadvocate> anyone here running hoary?
[02:34] <s1amson> yes, there are linux viruses
[02:34] <s1amson> about 12
[02:34] <Gul3> slamson is right
[02:34] <s1amson> and... all open source :P
[02:34] <cindux> lol
[02:34] <Gul3> lol
[02:34] <cindux> hm
[02:34] <cindux> funny, windows faces 12+ a day
[02:35] <cindux> new :O
[02:35] <bascule> s1amson: yeah, but I challenge you to *find* me one, a real live file, I wanna see it ...
[02:35] <arbeck> bascule: the dmsg is filled with errors... it can't read the partition table
[02:35] <LinuxJones> Gul3, run top and see what is hogging your cpu
[02:35] <_|Immanewbie|_> s1amson I have never heard about alinux virus at least in the windows concept (some program that infects you and you cant see it)
[02:35] <Seq> Gul3: it could be a system process in the background (like updatedb or something). open a terminal, and run `top`
[02:35] <s1amson> first written was a trojan, and i could be wrong.... but its atleast 5 years old, and actually comes with a 'disinfect' command for the end user
[02:35] <e-Jah> lut
[02:35] <cindux> must learn..
[02:36] <bestadvocate> anyone have problems with sound juicer crashing when you start the wrip
[02:36] <cindux> what is the "end" user
[02:36] <s1amson> bascule:  try gogle.com/linux - no need for me to do the grunt work :P
[02:36] <Gul3> i'm running top now, but i can't even see all the processes. it's so many!
[02:36] <bascule> s1amson: yeah there are root kits too, guess I caould go into IRC warez land, but I'd rather not .. ugggh those people
[02:36] <_|Immanewbie|_> Does anyone here knows an alternative to partition magic?
[02:36] <Gul3> parted
[02:36] <Neil3> qtparted
[02:36] <mroth> _|Immanewbie|_: ntfsresize
[02:36] <_|Immanewbie|_> I need something for windoes
[02:36] <Seq> Gul3: type "p"
[02:36] <cindux> fdisk
[02:36] <cindux> lol
[02:37] <_|Immanewbie|_> my partition magic says erro 117
[02:37] <_|Immanewbie|_> error
[02:37] <arbeck> bascule:  I need to know if there is a way to fdisk the usb drive
[02:37] <mebaran151> hey
[02:37] <Seq> Gul3: sorry, thats a capital P
[02:37] <mebaran151> I am setting up vsftpd
[02:37] <Gul3> top -P  ?
[02:37] <mebaran151> I would like a couple of tips
[02:37] <mebaran151> vsftpd
[02:37] <bascule> arbeck: cfdisk /dev/sda <-- or b or c or d
[02:37] <mebaran151> what contstitutes a user that is able to use ftp
[02:37] <Gul3> Seq, i'm not get you here
[02:37] <Gul3> type P?
[02:37] <Seq> Gul3: just "P" while top is running, and it will sort by processor usage
[02:37] <mebaran151> do I have to add them to a special group
[02:37] <s1amson> Gul3: try ps ux (for your user only) and 'ps aux' will list all
[02:38] <arbeck> bascule: that gives me a fatal error :)
[02:38] <arbeck> bascule:  the funny thing is it works great on OSX and XP
[02:38] <bascule> not sounding too healthy, do you have front and rear usb ports? If so try the other way
[02:38] <Gul3> i'm not getting anyway.. i'm not too experienced linux user:/
[02:39] <Gul3> i get a lot of output, but i don't know what i am looking after..
[02:40] <s1amson> Gul3: what are you trying to do?
[02:40] <Gul3> free up some cpu load
[02:40] <s1amson> ahh
[02:40] <arbeck> bascule:  I wonder if I can fix it in OSX or on an XP box
[02:40] <Seq> Gul3: there is a column labelled "%CPU". By typing "P" into top, you're sorting by that column. You can look down and find the process using the most cpu, and see what it is (under the "command" column)
[02:40] <arbeck> bascule:  and then try to mount it here
[02:40] <Gul3> it says 100% without any apps running
[02:40] <s1amson> think top is the only cmd line tool that will give you an active cup list
[02:40] <s1amson> cpu*
[02:40] <ubuntu2u> hey
[02:41] <ubuntu2u> does ubuntu have telnet?
[02:41] <s1amson> could be wrong
[02:41] <LinuxJones> Gul3, you could paste the output of top to www.pastebin.ca, then post the link to the irc channel :)
[02:41] <bascule> arbeck: I guess I have never used an extrernal drive, just thumbs
[02:41] <ubuntu2u> does ubuntu have linux?
[02:41] <bascule> ???????
[02:41] <cindux> = /
[02:41] <_|Immanewbie|_> there is any way to "fix" my partition table?
[02:41] <cindux> lol
[02:41] <arbeck> bascule: well, I had an extra 30gb drive sitting around so i spent $15 on a case and made it into an external drive
[02:41] <cindux> it uses the linux kernel ;)
[02:41] <fsc> ubuntu2u, no. it's got windows
[02:41] <cindux> so ye
[02:42] <fsc> it's the NT kernel underneath
[02:42] <l3m> i want to start vsftpd but get 500 OOPS: could not bind to IPv4 socket.. any ideas?
[02:42] <bascule> arbeck: rightly so, I really dunno whats u with it
[02:42] <bascule> arbeck: do you have an fstab entry for another usb device in there?
[02:42] <Gul3> how can i get the output of top to a plain text file? can't get to the bottom line
[02:43] <Gul3> lol
[02:43] <ubuntu2u> can i use telnet on ubuntu?
[02:43] <felix_1> Soryy .... Really need to know whay apache2 is unable to run php scripts: The module is loaded... but "User is not allowed to run scripts"-> from error.log need help!!!
[02:43] <bascule> Gul3: top -n 20 file.txt <-- that
[02:43] <bascule> cat file.txt | less
[02:43] <randabis> ubuntu2u, apt-get install telnetd I think
[02:43] <bascule> that ^ ?
[02:43] <bascule> telnet, shudder
[02:43] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, don't use telnet use ssh
[02:44] <Gul3> bascule: unknown augument 't'
[02:44] <Gul3> ??
[02:44] <arbeck> bascule: i don't have an entry for any USB devices... it mounts my USB camera as a drive just fine without it
[02:44] <cindux> i asked a question b4 but was afk
[02:44] <bascule> Gul3: eh?
[02:44] <cindux> im new to ubuntu really, & just wonderin if theirs a "my documents"
[02:44] <cindux> or folder for my files
[02:45] <Gul3> top -n 20 file.txt leavs me that output
[02:45] <LinuxJones> felix_1, change your php ownership with chmod ?
[02:45] <LinuxJones> felix_1, and make them executable
[02:45] <arbeck> cindux: just create a folder in your home directory
[02:45] <bascule> Gul3: woops. command failure
[02:45] <bascule> lol
[02:45] <cindux> er
[02:45] <cindux> i dont know hoe :(
[02:45] <cindux> if you mean the desktop, I'd rather not have it on their
[02:45] <bascule> head -n 20
[02:45] <cindux> I like iconless
[02:45] <arbeck> cindux: mkdir documents
[02:46] <bascule> head top , I dunno,
[02:46] <felix_1> linuxjones : what ?
[02:46] <bascule> nah top is a monitor
[02:46] <arbeck> cindux: cd ~ will take you to your home
[02:46] <cindux> i know :P
[02:46] <bestadvocate> sound juicer is broken
[02:47] <bascule> cindux: in firefox is that what you want to change?
[02:47] <cindux> ?
[02:47] <cindux> I just want to create a DIR off the desktop to store .html files
[02:47] <bascule> edit download directories
[02:47] <felix_1> LinuxJones: you mean if apache 2 User and grp is "www-data" then chown php-exec to this ?
[02:47] <cindux> if I place it in /home it wont show on my desktop right ?
[02:47] <bascule> mkdir ~/web
[02:47] <LinuxJones> felix_1, I don't run apache or php but it sounds like you need to make your php scripts executable and change ownsership
[02:47] <cindux> bascule where would that place it ?
[02:47] <bascule> no /home/Desktop goes on the dektop
[02:48] <LinuxJones> felix_1, yeah
[02:48] <cindux> /home/cindux
[02:48] <bascule> ~/web would be /home/cindux/web
[02:48] <cindux> is cindux a dir ?
[02:48] <bascule> depends on your user name ( are you taking the piss?)
[02:48] <cindux> oh icicic
[02:48] <cindux> lol
[02:48] <LinuxJones> felix_1, but I'm not sure 100% sure on that what does that error.log file say ?
[02:49] <bascule> :)))
[02:49] <trashmatic> okay, this is really troubling. i'm trying to configure cups myself, but ubuntu has disabled the web interface!? "for my protection", i'm sure, but i want to turn it on, thanks
[02:49] <felix_1>  LinuxJones: no- you are not correct, php script files no need to be exec ... apache cannot run the script. php module is loaded but intuitively, I suspect a misconf in the apache or/and php rights
[02:50] <trashmatic> because the print config app doesnt work, or at least isnt adequately documented :/
[02:50] <cindux> hm
[02:50] <cindux> if im in a different dir in the term does it matter
[02:50] <cindux> or do i have to be in /home/cindux when i do mkdir ~/web
[02:51] <bascule> no ~ will expand to /home/cindux
[02:51] <cindux> :(
[02:51] <cindux> to much lol
[02:51] <bascule> or /home/<whoever>/
[02:51] <ubuntu2u> does anyoen here know how to hack?
[02:51] <bascule> ubuntu2u: shut up
[02:51] <cindux> ubuntu theirs really no such thing as hacking
[02:51] <cindux> all hacking is is knowing certain holes & flaws & exposing them
[02:52] <ubuntu2u> bascule, shut up you have a small penis
[02:52] <cindux> =/
[02:52] <_|Immanewbie|_> my partition magic says error 117. Ive google and found no solution =/
[02:52] <ubuntu2u> we all know so stop hiding it
[02:52] <trashmatic> the ~ is really quite cool, but you could always type /home/username if you rather, no harm ;)
[02:52] <bascule> I haven;t, but I suspect you said that for a reaon
[02:52] <LinuxJones> felix_1, like I said I don't know just offering sugggestion
[02:52] <ubuntu2u> yes
[02:52] <cindux> ah
[02:52] <cindux> ?
[02:52] <cindux> mkdir ~web /home/cindux ?
[02:53] <ubuntu2u> because i was watching you change last night when a popup came onto my computer for dad's and kids going at it and i thought to myself.... hmmm thaat kid has a small penis
[02:53] <ubuntu2u> so i quickly exited
[02:53] <trashmatic> no, you'd use 'mkdir /home/cindux/web', that means the same as 'mkdir ~/web'
[02:53] <cindux> ah
[02:53] <cindux> and to be sure... lol :(
[02:53] <SeanQ> ubuntu2u, NAMBLA at work
[02:53] <cindux> mkdir = of course, make dir
[02:53] <trashmatic> yup
[02:54] <cindux> so many new acronyms & short forms i must learn
[02:54] <ubuntu2u> hey cindux?
[02:54] <cindux> yes?
[02:54] <inc> sup peeps
[02:54] <trashmatic> yeah, it takes everyone a little while, valuable skill though
[02:54] <cindux> hm
[02:54] <ubuntu2u> what is nambla cindux?
[02:55] <cindux> ?
[02:55] <trashmatic> ubuntu2u, stop trolling
[02:55] <cindux> ..
[02:55] <SeanQ> I said NAMBLA. :P
[02:55] <LinuxJones> change the topic guys
[02:55] <ubuntu2u> seanq said.... nambla at work ubuntu2u i was wondering what it was
[02:55] <cindux> :
[02:55] <s1amson> surfing pr0n in w3m just isnt the same
[02:55] <SeanQ> cindux, check synaptic for a program called 'wtf'
[02:55] <cindux> anyone interested in webspace = /
[02:55] <SeanQ> it's an ancronym finder
[02:55] <SeanQ> it depends, lemme see the AUP
[02:56] <cindux> interested... name
[02:56] <Civic> well bye guys
[02:56] <SeanQ> later
[02:56] <Civic> if i can't fix my modem problem i 'll be back again tomorrow
[02:57] <cindux> wee
[02:59] <cindux> hm
[02:59] <cindux> dirs created :P
[03:00] <cindux> in the "text editor" do I just save the html file as webpage.html etc
[03:00] <SeanQ> ew.
[03:00] <bascule> no point it to the directory /home/condux/web
[03:00] <bascule> or whatever you just made
[03:00] <cindux> I'm already in the DIR
[03:00] <inc> yooo.. bascule... see any 3d people today?
[03:00] <cindux> I just made an html file from scratch
[03:00] <bascule> inc: yes I did
[03:00] <cindux> its not an .html gile
[03:00] <mebaran151> hey
[03:00] <cindux> file*
[03:01] <inc> bascule: good deal
[03:01] <mebaran151> anyone know a good tutorial on ftp
[03:01] <trashmatic> okay, i want to tear out the ubuntu version of cups and replace it with the debian package... been a while since i used apt, so can anyone help me with that?
[03:01] <mebaran151> and how does vsftpd differentiate between local and remote users
[03:01] <inc> bascule: i reverted back to warty and back to playing cds lol better than before
[03:02] <bob2> trashmatic: why?
[03:03] <bascule> inc: good idea, it wasl ooking complicated to fix
[03:03] <cindux> how do i remove a file ?
[03:03] <fallker> hey all
[03:03] <cindux> rem ?
[03:03] <cindux> rm ?
[03:03] <bascule> rm -f file
[03:03] <trashmatic> bob2: ubuntu apparently patched it to completely remove the web interface, which i want to use because gnome-cups-manager sucks
[03:03] <fallker> rm
[03:03] <Seazzy> hey, I need direction
[03:03] <ryan_> whats the key combo to kill an app ?
[03:03] <cindux> ah
[03:04] <s1amson> www.mapquest.com
[03:04] <fallker> ryan_, what kind of app?
[03:04] <ryan_> xmms is hanging
[03:04] <inc> bascule: well maybe i have a better change now.. i think i'm at the point where i need to configure the mixer..i typed alsamixer and unmuted pcm
[03:04] <bascule> ryan_: alt f4 closes one, xkill gives a magic cursor pkill appname is another way, there are lots ..
[03:04] <s1amson> ryan_:  hanging when you load a directory?
[03:04] <Seazzy> I have just installed warty/X86, and my celeron box is freezing on me. Anyone know what's up?
[03:04] <inc> i already did the modprobe stuff and that went well
[03:04] <ryan_> no, it was playing. but now it just hanged after finishing a song
[03:05] <s1amson> perhaps it tried to play an invalid mp3?
[03:05] <mebaran151> just xkill it
[03:05] <mebaran151> the magic cursor will do fine
[03:05] <mebaran151> eventually Gnome will ask you if you want to kill it I think
[03:05] <ryan_> xkill-ed
[03:05] <mebaran151> cool
[03:06] <s1amson> xmms is virtually bug free, any error you get with it is normally via something you tried to feed it
[03:06] <ryan_> gonna add that kill button to the panel
[03:06] <Seazzy> Does anyone know what log I should be checking for specific error msgs regarding the unfortunate freezing of ubuntu?
[03:07] <SeanQ> No clue.
[03:07] <cindux> system logs :D
[03:07] <cindux> lol
[03:07] <cindux> i dont know anything dont listen to me
[03:07] <cindux> but /etc as far as i know has ubuntus system logs
[03:07] <bestadvocate> whens the stable release for hoary due?
[03:07] <bascule> /var/log/messages
[03:08] <bascule> but you rarely find much after a crash to be fair
[03:08] <zeratha> I am trying to get Ubuntu set up on a friend's computer and I keep having problems with sound. I've tried everything recommended in the forums and wiki, so I'm stumped.
[03:09] <Seazzy> hmmn, anyone here who has had a simmilar problem?
[03:09] <Seazzy> to the freezing, not the sound
[03:09] <scoon> zeratha, what kind of sound hw ?
[03:10] <Mr_Smiley> ubuntu hasn't detected my cdrom drive, there is no /dev/hdc.. any ideas?
[03:10] <zeratha> Audigy. All the right drivers seem loaded, and XMMS plays as though the sound card were fine with Alsa, OSS, and ESD, but no sound. Real Player says the sound device is in use and the gnome-volume applet say no device found.
[03:10] <membreya> hiyas
[03:10] <Mr_Smiley> hi
[03:10] <felix_1> LinuxJones: ok sorry for my late reply : you were telling that you only wianted to give me suggestions ... :-0 thanx for that ... I partially fixed my problem: module suphp was installed and seems to screwup php execution... but I get full load of php scrit errors related or not to configurations... anyway... sorry :-)
[03:11] <scoon> zerath, is there onboard sound chips ?
[03:11] <zeratha> Yes, disabled in the BIOS
[03:11] <membreya> got a problem trying to execute a configure script..getting the following two error messages
[03:11] <membreya> checking for working makeinfo... missing
[03:11] <membreya> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[03:11] <membreya> any ideas? :(
[03:12] <zeratha> Oh, and all cables are connected properly. Got sound when I installed, but since updating, its gone.
[03:12] <scoon> zeratha, updated to hoary ?
[03:14] <mebaran151> how can I tell what daemons are running at any one moment?
[03:14] <mebaran151> just daemons
[03:14] <membreya> ps --help
[03:14] <membreya> :| nvm ;)
[03:15] <zeratha> scoon, no, just standard updates. It's the weirdest thing. No problem on any other machine but this one.
[03:17] <scoon> zeratha, check alsamixer and make certain that 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack' is NOT muted
[03:18] <zeratha> scoon, Thanks! That was it!
[03:18] <scoon> zeratha
[03:18] <fsc> hmm..gpd is fubar on warty. i really need to upgrade gnome/gkt+ and all development libraries without going all the way to hoary
[03:18] <scoon> zeratha, in order for that to not get muted again when you reboot or log out whatever
[03:18] <scoon> zeratha, do a
[03:19] <scoon> 'sudo alsactl store' in a term
[03:19] <fsc> lack of decent gtk/gnome pdf viewer is annoying
[03:19] <jdub> fsc: using hoary?
[03:19] <zeratha> scoon, thanks, I need to log out to see if the applet works. Thanks again.
[03:20] <scoon> np
[03:20] <membreya> so anyone know why I'm getting checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool ? when I'm trying to configure?
[03:20] <jdub> fsc: try gpdf, but then try evince :-)
[03:20] <jdub> membreya: look at intltool's depends
[03:20] <fsc> jdub, i want to upgrade to 2.9.3 of gpdf, but i'm on warty and i need all the 2.6 gtk stuff
[03:20] <jdub> fsc: upgrade to hoary :)
[03:20] <fsc> jdub, gpdf is not rendering properly
[03:21] <fsc> jdub, xpdf is well...lackluster at best
[03:21] <jdub> it's not that much better in later versions
[03:21] <jdub> evince is
[03:21] <fsc> jdub, envince i should try?
[03:21] <membreya> thanks for that jdub ... I did an apt-get -f install :)
[03:21] <fsc> never heard of envince
[03:22] <fsc> me looks
[03:22] <jdub> fsc: evince
[03:22] <jdub> it'll be in GNOME 2.12
[03:22] <fsc> jdub, : cool. evince looks nice. thanks for info man
[03:23] <fsc> jdub, and ps viewer integrated. me like
[03:23] <jdub> fsc: it's designed to be a 'document viewer', so integrates a few of the existing gnome apps nicely
[03:23] <fsc> jdub, is this your project? didn't you have something to do with gpdf?
[03:23] <jdub> no
[03:23] <jdub> to both
[03:23] <jdub> apart from being involved in gnome generally
[03:23] <fsc> ok, always see your name in gpdf changelog for some reason
[03:24] <fsc> well the gpdf site hasn't been updated in eons
[03:24] <jdub> i think martin thanked me once
[03:24] <fsc> but i definitely want to check out evince...on its web site now
[03:25] <fsc> jdub, i wonder what it'll take to get this thing running on warty.  i see packages for hoary.  i don't want to pooch-screw my system just for a pdf viewer
[03:27] <cindux> whats the absolute path to the desktop ?
[03:27] <fsc> i'll build it from source if it doesn't rely on gtk+ 2.6 and gnome 2.8
[03:27] <membreya> grrrr damn hoary live cd giving me false hope...it got my wireless nic working without a problem...
[03:27] <membreya> cindux: /usr/home/(username)/Desktop
[03:27] <membreya> -usr
[03:27] <membreya> so it's just /home/(username)/Desktop
[03:28] <cindux> hm icic
[03:28] <cindux> and just wonderin, I want to remove a DIR & all its contents?
[03:28] <cindux> can i just do rm /home/desktop/cindux/web
[03:28] <membreya> do an rm -f -R
[03:28] <membreya> make sure u do it as sudo
[03:29] <cindux> "rm -f -r /home/cindux/web ?
[03:29] <cindux> with sudo in front *
[03:29] <jdub> cindux: not if you own the files
[03:29] <u> Hello
[03:30] <u> can anyone help me a sec with a mount ntfs problem?
[03:31] <s1amson> i can try
[03:31] <s1amson> :] 
[03:32] <u> ok slamson
[03:32] <cindux> hm seems like so much....
[03:32] <u> thank you
[03:32] <s1amson> dont thank me yet, i havent helped
[03:32] <u> lol
[03:32] <u> ok
[03:33] <cindux> "/home/cindux/desktop/files"
[03:33] <cindux> to much :(
[03:33] <u> i want to auto mount a ntfs drive
[03:33] <s1amson> ok...
[03:33] <s1amson> that it?
[03:33] <u> lol
[03:33] <u> yes
[03:33] <s1amson> look at (do a search for) fstab
[03:33] <u> i have a harder question coming up after this one
[03:34] <s1amson> and edit it
[03:34] <s1amson> :D
[03:34] <u> lol
[03:34] <u> "edit it" care to elaborate :p
[03:35] <cindux> this cant be it
[03:35] <s1amson> give it the same rights as any other partition, note: that if you see one with -rw - change it to -ro as you cant write to ntfs
[03:35] <s1amson> actually
[03:35] <s1amson> find fstab, and paste what it says @ pastebin.com
[03:36] <cindux> Surely theirs a dir i can use to store my files instead of /home/cindux/dirname
[03:36] <s1amson> no, theresnot much to elaborate on
[03:36] <cindux> where does everyone store their files
[03:36] <cindux> html files,movies music etc
[03:36] <u> im having trouble finding fstab
[03:36] <s1amson> but, considering its ntfs, it wouldnt hurt to have a look see at your current config
[03:36] <u> please note: im fresh from migration
[03:37] <s1amson> please note: i dont use ubuntu :P but its a linux thing not ubuntu
[03:37] <u> lol ok
[03:37] <s1amson> lemme find mine
[03:37] <u> cheerz
[03:38] <s1amson> its in etc
[03:38] <s1amson> /etc/fstab
[03:39] <u> yes i have it
[03:39] <s1amson> paste it @ pastebin.com
[03:39] <u> im jus gonna do a new login as root
[03:39] <s1amson> or... somkething
[03:39] <membreya> gah
[03:40] <s1amson> yea, you need to be root to edit it
[03:40] <membreya> what's the easiest way to find the file that a make install has created? :P
[03:40] <s1amson> pin <filename>
[03:40] <s1amson> well... easiest way for me anyway
[03:40] <membreya> erm that's the thing... I can't find the name that it gave it ..I think I can but searching the harddrive shows nothing
[03:40] <cindux> spit it out :P
[03:40] <s1amson> ::shrugs ::
[03:40] <cindux> you know you all want to
[03:41] <u> /dev/hdc1   /   ntfs    |then what?       1
[03:41] <u> slamson, i what user "glen" to be the owner
[03:41] <s1amson> how are we spossa help find a file that nobody knows the name of :P be smarter about it nxt time :D
[03:41] <membreya> ;)
[03:41] <membreya> bash: pin: command not found
[03:42] <tobbe> Can I install stuff with apt-get from debian repositories?
[03:44] <cindux> Where does everyone store their files? (text,audio,video etc)
[03:45] <s1amson> u: mounting yourself, id mount it to /mnt/hdc1 so, in '/mnt' make a folder called windows and give it your permissions (whatever they may be) then just run as root mount /mnt/hdc1 /mnt/windows since toy
[03:45] <s1amson> ack, i edited that line alot :\
[03:45] <s1amson> make a folder in mnt as root, and give glen permmissions - ie: make owner etc
[03:46] <s1amson> id call the folder windows
[03:46] <s1amson> :: shrugs ::
[03:46] <tobbe> cindux, I store my text/docs in /home/tobbe/documents and for audio/video I've go an external harddrive
[03:46] <s1amson> then
[03:46] <s1amson> mount /mnt/hdc1 /mnt/windows
[03:46] <s1amson> should work fine
[03:46] <cindux> hm i was afraid of this lol
[03:46] <cindux> i know it isnt a big deal but i like to keep things neat & brief
[03:46] <cindux> for example, on windows I would have C:\Cinder
[03:47] <cindux> jus dont like how I have to dig through so many dirs to my files
[03:47] <cindux> anyway thanks
[03:47] <s1amson> i dont have any ntfs partitions, but heres mine for fat32 (in fstab)
[03:47] <s1amson> /dev/hda1            /windows/C           vfat       users,gid=users,umask=0002,iocharset=utf8 0 0
[03:47] <u> slamson, ok cheerz mate ill try that
[03:47] <tobbe> And on linux you have /home/cinder/ It's only one level deeper
[03:47] <cindux> i know :(
[03:48] <s1amson> check mount --help for mount options
[03:48] <cindux> but i wanted the folder on my desktop
[03:48] <cindux> /home/cindux/desktop/documents/html
[03:48] <cindux> lol
[03:48] <s1amson> and put those in the last part of the fstab
[03:48] <u> ok
[03:49] <cindux> mkdir ~files /home/cindux
[03:49] <cindux> oops
[03:49] <inc> anyone know how to make sure alsa and esd are configured correctly?
[03:49] <tobbe> cindux, just put the stuff in /home/cindux/whatever and then put symlinks in the desktop folder
[03:51] <cindux> hm sounds better
[03:51] <cindux> when i use mkdir ~whatever, does it automatically assume im creating the dir in /home/cindux/
[03:51] <cindux> or must I specify it
[03:52] <s1amson> oh ship
[03:52] <s1amson> hey
[03:52] <s1amson> u
[03:52] <klimbz> I know you guys are probably sick pf hearing this, but can someone please help me out in getting the grub entry right for setting up windows ,(installed on c:, with ubuntu on secondary hardrive..
[03:53] <pepsi> where would i look to learn how to make mp3s work/
[03:53] <pepsi> oop
[03:53] <pepsi> found it
[03:53] <klimbz> my current entry is: title Windows
[03:53] <klimbz> map (hd0)(hd1)
[03:53] <klimbz> map (hd1)(hd0)
[03:53] <klimbz> rootnoverify (hd0,0)
[03:53] <klimbz> chainloader +1
[03:53] <klimbz> makeactive
[03:54] <tobbe> cindux, I dunno, just try...
[03:54] <tobbe> won't break anything
[03:55] <tobbe> you won't be able to create it anywhere else if you're not root
[03:55] <klimbz> anyone?
[03:59] <klimbz> anyone with a link to where I can get a full menu.lst grub entry for dual booting windows
[03:59] <klimbz> ?
[04:00] <membreya> klimbz: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[04:01] <tobbe> This is what I've got for windows: title           Windows NT/2000/XP
[04:01] <tobbe> root            (hd0,1)
[04:01] <tobbe> savedefault
[04:01] <tobbe> makeactive
[04:01] <tobbe> chainloader     +1
[04:01] <tobbe> it's on /dev/hda2
[04:02] <klimbz> I've got my xp in c: would that be hda0 or 1?
[04:03] <membreya> it counts from 0 klimbz
[04:03] <membreya> so if C: is your first physical drive & partition then it's 0,0
[04:04] <klimbz> membreya: so what would my full entry in menu.lst be? sorry to ask these trivial questions but I'm completely new at this..
[04:04] <cindux> ugg i was away when people rplied
[04:04] <cindux> How can i remove a directory? & how can I create one in /home/cindux/dirname ?
[04:05] <tobbe> remove: rm
[04:06] <tobbe> create: mkdir
[04:06] <s1amson> rm -rf /pathto<directory to be removed> note, there will be no chance of recovery
[04:06] <membreya> root		(hd0,0)
[04:06] <membreya> savedefault
[04:06] <membreya> makeactive
[04:06] <membreya> chainloader	+1
[04:08] <cindux> er..
[04:08] <cindux> i tried before and made a mistake
[04:08] <cindux> and now i have -documents
[04:08] <cindux> or think ido ?
[04:08] <cindux> is that their by default in ubuntu
[04:08] <tobbe> so, rm -fdR /home/cindux/-documents/
[04:09] <cindux> tobbe, its still their
[04:10] <tobbe> my font is a bit messed up, try:
[04:10] <tobbe> so, rm -fdR /home/cindux/ documents/
[04:10] <tobbe> wait
[04:10] <cindux> ye?
[04:11] <tobbe> try, rm -fdR /home/cindux/~documents/
[04:12] <cindux> that did it :P
[04:12] <cindux> woo thanks again lol
[04:12] <tobbe> np
[04:12] <cindux> i just found it odd that when i screwed up the command the first time
[04:12] <cindux> it said no dir exist
[04:12] <cindux> but created -documents anyway
[04:14] <tobbe> it didn't create -documents, it created ~documents (or you have done earlier)
[04:16] <ramp> help
[04:16] <davix> howdy
[04:21] <ultrahex> projected keyboards are strange to write on
[04:23] <ubuntu2u> hey guys when i download a file and try to run it from "home" it says can't run application. can anyone help me out here?
[04:23] <mpq> what are you trying to run?
[04:25] <ubuntu2u> just every file that i have downloaded off the internet
[04:25] <ubuntu2u> like merc
[04:25] <ubuntu2u> or ad-aware install
[04:25] <mpq> you mean a bunch of windows programs?
[04:25] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u,  those are windows programs aren't they
[04:26] <tezza> ubuntu2u, do some research on wine
[04:27] <moyogo> ad-aware? i don't think you'd need that on ubuntu
[04:27] <mpq> I was wondering that too
[04:27] <mpq> I don't think any malicious programs would work outside of windows
[04:27] <mpq> because they're all windows programs
[04:27] <moyogo> one day, it might be a threat tho'
[04:28] <mpq> maybe, but not now
[04:28] <moyogo> in a far far away galaxy
[04:28] <mpq> not while 99% of people use windows
[04:28] <cindux> im in love with ubuntu
[04:29] <mpq> anyone else here running folding@home?
[04:29] <SeanQ> not 99%
[04:29] <SeanQ> 95%
[04:29] <SeanQ> 3% apple
[04:29] <SeanQ> 2% linux
[04:29] <mpq> really? that much?
[04:30] <giard> does anyone know if Hoary will have a selection of backgrounds?
[04:30] <mpq> I didn't think mac was quite that popular
[04:30] <Pinguvin> when will hoary be released?
[04:30] <moyogo> giard: there's a monthly background
[04:30] <daniels> Pinguvin: april
[04:30] <Pinguvin> k
[04:30] <membreya> can someone help me with doing a make on a program with my a64?
[04:31] <giard> moyogo: ummm, something without naked people?
[04:31] <moyogo> giard: hmmm good point
[04:31] <Pinguvin> whats wrong with naked people? :P
[04:31] <membreya> giard: what's the point of that?
[04:31] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, yes those are windows programs that i am trying to run
[04:31] <LinuxJones> membreya, you probably need to install build-essential
[04:31] <daniels> SeanQ: according to hp, linux is now more popular than mac
[04:31] <mpq> you need wine to run windows programs in linux
[04:31] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u,  yeah
[04:31] <moyogo> giard: just right-click on pictures in firefox and set as background
[04:31] <daniels> on the desktop
[04:32] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, can't they still be used?
[04:32] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u,  you don't need ad-aware or whatever it is
[04:32] <giard> moyogo: I kinda wish there was a selection of good quality wallpapers, just like XP and OS X come with
[04:32] <SeanQ> ooh nice
[04:32] <SeanQ> same with samsung
[04:32] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u,  as for merc I don't know what that is
[04:32] <membreya> linuxboy: already go it installed :\
[04:32] <membreya> I'm getting relocation R_X86_64_32 can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[04:32] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, anything i download does not work, games,everything. it says the file path is wrong
[04:32] <SeanQ> lemme restart x
[04:33] <mpq> are you trying to run .exe files?
[04:33] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, wht games do you want to play ?
[04:33] <moyogo> giard: i find the monthly wallpapers to be of pretty good quality, unfortunately some find the nude art offensive
[04:34] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, you can't run any windows applications on Linux easily
[04:34] <gaatmx> Sorry if this is a FAQ but: Is there a way to add an application to the Menu?
[04:34] <Pinguvin> right click and add locator or something like that
[04:34] <mpq> yes, that's why you get the equivalent programs for most apps
[04:35] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, i don't think it is the files... i think there is something else messed up
[04:35] <bc> right click in Firefox doesn't give me any options for wallpaper in ubuntu
[04:35] <ubuntu2u> i'll tell you the errormessage
[04:35] <membreya> I'm trying to add an applet..and slowly going crazy
[04:35] <mpq> anyone know of a program that would cycle through wallpapers?
[04:35] <bc> actually I can't understand why it's so hard to set background pictures.
[04:35] <Pinguvin> its not hard..?
[04:36] <moyogo> bc: it does in hoary
[04:36] <bc> should be able to right click on any image, but no, have to use the "change desktop background" thing and do a lot of browsing
[04:36] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, the title of the window is "can't display location" and then then it says couldn't display home/liam/****(**** is the file name) then under that it says "there was an error launching the application"
[04:36] <GammaRay> one thing I never did in IE was set the background
[04:36] <ubuntu2u> if anyone else know the problem please help
 you got a point there
[04:37] <GammaRay> bc: you can drage it to the dialog AFAIK
[04:37] <mpq> I mean like automatically change the wallpaper every day or something
[04:37] <moyogo> gaatmx: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/OldFrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-17eca0f11b06e5e4489700e0d0ce4e3f5a07090e-2
[04:37] <gaatmx> thnx moyogo
[04:37] <bc> yes, but there's seems to be a very short limit to the number of images allowed in there
[04:37] <ubuntu2u> can anyone help me?
[04:37] <ubuntu2u> plz
[04:38] <bc> drag something in, something else leaves
[04:38] <Pinguvin> ubuntu2u: whats the files extension
[04:38] <bc> wish the image viewer had a "set as background" option at least
[04:38] <moyogo> ubuntu2u: what exactly are you trying to run?
[04:39] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, programs that run on Microsoft products (like Windows 95, 98 2000, XP) will not run in Linux.
[04:39] <moyogo> bc: some image viewers do
[04:39] <moyogo> bc: gthumb does for example
[04:39] <membreya> anyone know an EASY way (short of programming) to get an applet into the gnome panel???
[04:39] <bc> yes, I imagine I just have to stop being lazy and check the repositories.
[04:39] <bc> but I'm surprised gnome doesn't just build this in
[04:40] <bc> thanksd moyogo!
[04:42] <membreya> noone here plays around with applets? :(
[04:42] <ubuntu2u> moyogo, i am trying to run anything... is there a linux website that i can go to download linux stuff to try it?
[04:42] <bc> weird, Synaptic tells me I have gtthumb installed, but I don't know where the heck it is
[04:42] <moyogo> membreya: do you mean progamming applets?
[04:42] <lunitik> membreya: not entirely sure what you mean? right click "add to panel"?
[04:43] <Pinguvin> bc: run application > gthumb
[04:43] <mpq> ubuntu2u: try downloading firefox 1.0
[04:43] <bc> really noob here, is gtthumb simply what's showing me the (really  great) thumbnails in Nautilus?
[04:43] <mpq> and make sure to get the linux version
[04:44] <mpq> it should be a .tar.gz file
[04:44] <poisomike87> hello
[04:44] <membreya> lunitik: that only allows you to create a launcher.. I have an embedded program to control the stepping on my athlon 64 however there's no .server file to embed it in the panel
[04:44] <moyogo> bc: you need to refresh the panel, i haven't figured out how to do that cleanly, sometimes it does it by itself
[04:44] <poisomike87> I have a problem
[04:45] <lunitik> membreya: then my guess is the person that wrote it will have to make it a functional applet  :/
[04:45] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, tell us what kind of programs you want to run we can tell you what "Linux Versions" or Windows programs to install if they exist :)
[04:45] <mpq> poisomike87: just ask it
[04:45] <lunitik> poisomike87: you going to share, or are we to guess?
[04:45] <membreya> thanks anyway lunitik...will email the guy
[04:46] <moyogo> lunitik: what's the name of the program?
[04:46] <lunitik> moyogo: huh?
[04:46] <poisomike87> When I installed ubunto when it finished i cannot boot it or windows
[04:46] <moyogo> lunitik: sorry i meant membreya
[04:46] <bc> thanks Pinguvin!  and of course, now that you guys mention it, I finally notice it in the apps menu...
[04:46] <Pinguvin> :)
[04:47] <fsc> hmm. has anybody just upgraded gnome from the hoary repository?
[04:47] <lunitik> fsc: what issue are you seeing?
[04:48] <Pinguvin> i just installed ubuntu but i cant get any sound. how can this be fixed?
[04:48] <fsc> lunitik, i haven't tried it, but these programs i want to compile, specifically evince needs gtk+2.6 and other more recent gnome libraries
[04:49] <fsc> lunitik, i'd rather just update gnome,gtk+ all its dependencies then a mass upgrade to Hoary, especially xorg
[04:49] <lunitik> fsc: I am using it... no obvious issues...
[04:49] <fsc> lunitik, hoary?  what did you do, just change the repository name, apt-get update, and then apt-get dist-upgrade?
[04:49] <lunitik> fsc: why not xorg?
[04:50] <fsc> lunitik, what about ATI drivers on xorg?
[04:50] <lunitik> fsc: yup... a few times... most recently just grabbed a daily snapshot...
[04:50] <fsc> a few times what?
[04:50] <lunitik> fsc: hmm... I thought daniels had released ATI drivers for xorg?
[04:51] <fsc> lunitik, i have no idea who daniels is
[04:51] <lunitik> fsc: a few times did a manual upgrade to hoary.
[04:51] <fsc> lunitik, oh, on various boxes then?
[04:51] <poisomike87> I cannot boot ubunto or windows grub just gives me an error 18 message
[04:51] <lunitik> fsc: daniels = Daniel Stone of freedesktop and main Ubuntu X maintainer...
[04:51] <fsc> lunitik, uhmm. so it was just that easy for you?  what about the kernel, does hoary want to change the kernel?
[04:52] <fsc> lunitik, so change the repository, dist-upgrade, reboot, and everything was hunky-dory?
[04:52] <sasquatc4> i hate you s1amson
[04:52] <lunitik> fsc: depends if you have 'linux-386' etc installed... 2.6.10 is in hoary though...
[04:52] <sasquatc4> anyone got experience in here with an audigyLS card?
[04:52] <lunitik> fsc: should be, yes.
[04:52] <s1amson> but i love your mother
[04:52] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, i thought linux was so compatible with windows programs you could run practiacally anything on here...?
[04:53] <fsc> lunitik, hmm. i'm scared...Warty is so perfect right now except for pdf viewer crap
[04:53] <lunitik> ubuntu2u: you can run some Windows apps with 'wine' ...
[04:53] <fsc> lunitik, so what's special about Hoary?
[04:53] <vj> hi guys, someone to help me put links to applications
[04:54] <lunitik> fsc: that issue will remain (crappy xpdf instead of evince/gpdf) ... but you really won't see any issues.
[04:54] <lunitik> fsc: very little... hence very few problems  :)
[04:54] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, no, to run Microsoft programs you need software and permission from Microsoft which they won't give to the Open Source Community
[04:54] <poisomike87> Anyone know how to fix the grub boot loader to boot all I get is an error 18 message
[04:54] <fsc> lunitik, with an upgrade to Hoary Gnome I would have the libs to build or even dpkg -i evince
[04:54] <lunitik> LinuxJones: you technically don't need Microsoft permission...
[04:54] <LinuxJones> lunitik, yeah wanna bet
[04:55] <vj> help pls
[04:55] <vj> anyone somewhere
[04:55] <lunitik> fsc: probably yes...
[04:55] <sasquatc4> anyone gotten a kworld tv tuner to work nicely in ubuntu? all i get with all the tv apps out there is the last channel i was watching on another OS
[04:55] <LinuxJones> lunitik, MS read an eula some time
[04:55] <Dull404> Helloo, does anyone know of any other repos for ubuntu except for the pre-defined... ftp's or similar ??
[04:55] <lunitik> LinuxJones: I have Internet Explorer here for testing purposes... call Microsoft and see if they care...
[04:55] <moyogo> vj: what's the problem you have?
[04:55] <fsc> lunitik, bahh. screw it. i have nothing better to do
[04:55] <Pinguvin> vj: you want to add shortcuts to the menu?
[04:55] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, THOSE BASTARDS!
[04:55] <vj> hi moyogo
[04:55] <fsc> lunitik, except screw up my perfectly working ubuntu box
[04:55] <vj> yes
[04:56] <lunitik> fsc: nothing will get screwed up.
[04:56] <LinuxJones> lunitik, tell them you are running Office 2000 on 10 machines using wine and see what they say.
[04:56] <vj> i loaded some application from synaptics but they don't so up in the program menus
[04:56] <fsc> lunitik, ok, where are the repositories at?
[04:56] <Dull404> Anyone?
[04:56] <ubuntu2u> so linux isn't good for playing games or anything like that?
[04:56] <Pinguvin> vj: they might if you log out and back in
[04:56] <lunitik> LinuxJones: actually... I did that for 30... they helped, but ended up stating "well, the issue isn't with our applications, sorry"...
[04:56] <vj> i did
[04:56] <Pinguvin> oh
[04:56] <Gul3> hello, probably just another newbie question from me, but how do i execute "format c:" in linux?
[04:57] <fsc> hehe
[04:57] <inc> so anyone good at configuring alsa/
[04:57] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, it depends on the company that makes the games.
[04:57] <vj> they show up in the filesystem and i can run them from there, but can't see any icon in the apllication drop down list
[04:57] <moyogo> vj: what application was it?
[04:57] <Pinguvin> vj: if you right click inside the menu, do you get add launcher?
[04:57] <Dull404> Gul3: use fdisk... if there is fdisk.. dont know just installed myself ;)
[04:57] <vj> there are many
[04:57] <LinuxJones> lunitik, that's not true
[04:57] <lunitik> LinuxJones: you purchase a license to run the software... you don't break the eula by not running it on Microsoft software.
[04:57] <Gul3> Dull404: that will not format the partition
[04:58] <moyogo> lunitik: most of the times those games are built on top of Microsoft libraries
[04:58] <moyogo> lunitik: and those aren't free
[04:58] <vj> grisp an accounting package, atank game, Sykpe, qtparted, firestarter.
[04:58] <Dull404> Gul3: delete the partition, and create it again ;)
[04:58] <lunitik> LinuxJones: You think Codeweavers would base a business model on having people break the law?
[04:58] <Pinguvin> vj: right click inside a menu > entire menu > create launcher
[04:58] <Krypt0n> Who uses X-Chat and has a good script to show what MP3 is playing?
[04:58] <Pinguvin> or add a launcher..
[04:58] <Pinguvin> add new item to this menu actually :)
[04:59] <LinuxJones> lunitik, " Visual FoxPro for Linux: A Violation of the EULA?" >> http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/113955/65/
[04:59] <lunitik> Pinguvin: that won't work in the future  :(
[04:59] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, do you think diablo 2 which is a blizzard game will run on linux?
[04:59] <Pinguvin> lunitik: why? im a noob myself btw.. :)
[04:59] <vj> ok now i am in launcher
[04:59] <Dull404> Where can i find other repos? ftps https etc etc ??
[04:59] <vj> how do i do it
[05:00] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, I don't know but the Quake and Unreal Tournament series of games seem to work well
[05:00] <Pinguvin> lunitik says it wont work in the future..
[05:00] <regeya_> seriously?  one won't be able to add launchers to gnome menus?
[05:00] <regeya_> dang.  and just when I thought it was safe to use gnome.
[05:00] <moyogo> Pinguvin: adding a program to the Application menu doesn't work right now in hoary
[05:01] <regeya_> oh, just a hoary issue?
[05:01] <lunitik> Pinguvin: that mechanism changed in hoary... right now, there is no menu editing tool at all in hoary.
[05:01] <cindux> :P
[05:01] <moyogo> regeya_: you'll always be able to add to the panel
[05:01] <Pinguvin> that bites :P
[05:01] <Pinguvin> vj: did you figure it out?
[05:01] <cindux> Anyone know the default DIR for ubuntu backgrounds?
[05:01] <lunitik> moyogo: via the text files... sure.
[05:01] <moyogo> it's still feasable throught applications;//
[05:01] <regeya_> moyogo: not good enough, but thanks for reminding me of that
[05:01] <cindux> "/usr/share/backgrounds?" ?
[05:01] <lunitik> moyogo: no... applications:/// doesn't exist
[05:02] <moyogo> lunitik: ahhhhh!
[05:02] <sasquatc4> anyone gotten a kworld tv tuner to work with tvtime, or any other tv tuner app?
[05:02] <moyogo> ah yeah the whole new gnome-menus thing
[05:02] <vj> well i did, i am on the create launcer have typed the name Grisbi added an icon but what should i type in the command ?
[05:02] <lunitik> worst thing about hoary at the moment.
[05:02] <fsc> lunitik, ok. i changed the repository to hoary.  here goes nothing.  i'll be hunting down lunitik (can I trust that nick:)? if something goes wrong:)
[05:02] <LinuxJones> lunitik, what did you think of that link I posted ?
[05:02] <Pinguvin> vj: try grisbi..
[05:03] <lunitik> LinuxJones: I had a different response... but ok  :/
[05:03] <vj> ok wait
[05:04] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, do you work for ubuntu or w/e or are u some random gu helping people?
[05:04] <ubuntu2u> guy*
[05:04] <lunitik> ubuntu2u: the latter.
[05:04] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, no, I jsut like to help out :)
[05:05] <ubuntu2u> cool\
[05:05] <linux_galore> hmm (tm)
[05:05] <ubuntu2u> are you guys private messaging me or is x-chat just making it yellow because my name is in it?
[05:05] <poisomike87> I installed ubunto on a dual boot with windows now i can no longer boot windows or ubunto
[05:05] <linux_galore> think LinuxJones is trying to get karma points
[05:05] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, your name is in it :D
[05:05] <linux_galore> :-)
[05:05] <lunitik> ubuntu2u: your name is in the message...
[05:05] <fsc> 485 meg for the upgrade to hoary for me.  nice speeds though.  300 kB/s
[05:06] <LinuxJones> linux_galore, browny-points  +1 :D
[05:06] <Pinguvin> i got a major audio problem. cant get any sound.. help please
[05:06] <Dull404> poisomike87: grub right?
[05:06] <poisomike87> yes
[05:07] <bc> anyone elso have problems with audigy nx usb2 sound hardware?  both ubuntu and mepis seem to identify the thing right,
[05:07] <Pinguvin> "sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices fond"
[05:07] <Dull404> poisomike87: im new to ubuntu myself. but for other distros u can edit it manually, try search the web for a grub howto for ubuntu
[05:07] <fsc> please tell me that wxWidgets got upgraded in Hoary to use gtk2+ finally
[05:07] <bc> but both produce horrible distorted sound
[05:08] <bc> could the problem be the usb2?
[05:09] <bc> oh, and the mixer thinks the audigy is outputting to headphones... weird
[05:09] <lunitik> fsc: 'libwxgtk2.5.3' depends gtk-2.0... so looks like it...
[05:09] <moyogo> poisomike87: does this relate to your problem : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogInstallNotes ?
[05:09] <linux_galore> bc: yeah thats because USB headsets in call centers are common
[05:09] <fsc> lunitik, good deal.
[05:09] <vj> well i cannot load the application from grisbi
[05:10] <Dull404> or try this http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:11] <Pinguvin> anyone? :(
[05:11] <bc> do I need some special soundblaster driver or something?
[05:11] <membreya> grrrrrrrrrrrrrr,,,why can't I find the ndiswrapper?
[05:11] <linux_galore> bc: could be I went to the creative website and downloaded the latest driver
[05:12] <membreya> nevermind ;) ndiswrapper.sf.net
[05:12] <vj> moyogo ? pingiun ?
[05:12] <bc> hmm, I'll look again.  I didn't think creative "supported" linux
[05:12] <Pinguvin> vj: i dont know.. im a noob myself :(
[05:12] <linux_galore> bc: they do and have for a while now
[05:12] <bc> thanks
[05:12] <inc> anybody good with alsa? or sound?
[05:13] <Pinguvin> i dont have sound at all.. :(
[05:13] <bc> I just wish that when I get the right mixer, I could get decent sound
[05:13] <Dull404> Bc: got alsa tools?
[05:13] <bc> when I get good sound, I get a senseless mixer
[05:13] <vj> ok i got it
[05:13] <Pinguvin> great :)
[05:13] <moyogo> vj: what was the problem?
[05:14] <bc> hmmm, an alsa mixer shows up along the other one, but don't know about the tools...
[05:14] <vj> any command has to follow with ( application ) %f
[05:14] <linux_galore> I usually just grab a SB Live OEM card cost me AU$20 works perfect with any distro of Linux
[05:14] <vj> and it works
[05:14] <vj> now the only problem is where to get the icons from for that appplication
[05:14] <s1amson> anyone got experience in here with an audigyLS card?
[05:15] <bc> that's the painful irony, i recently took out my SB live card, to use the usb2 thing
[05:15] <bc> guess I'll put it back in
[05:15] <linux_galore> bc: the other card works better lol
[05:15] <membreya> has anyone here used ndiswrapper on ubuntu?
[05:15] <s1amson> bc
[05:15] <Pinguvin> how do i install alsamixer? when i try to open it it says: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: no such device
[05:15] <vj> where are the applications that are loaded store their icons in
[05:15] <s1amson> you know anything about audigy LS card?
[05:15] <linux_galore> bc: I get perfect 5.1 suround from my SBLive card
[05:16] <s1amson> sry
[05:16] <sasquatc4> sinner
[05:16] <s1amson> just like mom! :D
[05:16] <Dull404> Pinguvin: use Synaptic Package Manager. and also do "whereis alsa" in a terminal
[05:16] <linux_galore> Pinguvin: alsa mixer wont work if sound isnt up and running
[05:16] <s1amson> dont make me use bold!
[05:16] <Pinguvin> okey.. how do i get it up and running then :\
[05:17] <linux_galore> Pinguvin: alsamixer isnt a sound setup tool it just adjusts the volume settings
[05:17] <Pinguvin> i see
[05:17] <s1amson> anyone got experience in here with an audigy LS card?
[05:17] <bc> I've never been able to get a sound card working in any computer ever without a lot of grief
[05:17] <bc> sound cards are evil and hate me.
[05:17] <inc> nope
[05:17] <inc> bc: you are correct sir
[05:17] <linux_galore> bc: just worked here didnt do a thing
[05:17] <Pinguvin> audio worked in suse, mandrake and vida.. but not here
[05:18] <Pinguvin> i dont know what to do
[05:18] <bc> are alsa tools the same as alsa-utils (which I seem to have installed)
[05:18] <s1amson> alsa yhassnt helped my issue
[05:18] <Dull404> bc i think so
[05:18] <s1amson> i got everyting working but the linein
[05:19] <Pinguvin> what is alsa yhassnt?
[05:19] <linux_galore> many people have the cards setup wrong I find ie they have auto IRQ set on the jumpers on the card and that can create a IRQ conflict with Linux/Windows
[05:19] <s1amson> its the one for the leet users that pwn a decoder ring
[05:19] <s1amson> thx for asking
[05:19] <bc> to be fair, On my laptop, the sound is great.  Don't even know what card it is.
[05:19] <tritium> Pinguvin, what kind of machine do you have?
[05:20] <Pinguvin> tritium: packard bell g1320
[05:20] <tritium> a lot of people that don't get sound have Parallel Port interrup collisions
[05:20] <linux_galore> Im finding all the new intel sound chipsets work fine lately
[05:20] <inc> yeah well how about crystal audio?
[05:21] <Pinguvin> tritium: my parallel ports are not used
[05:21] <bc> this is my untested, incompetent theory about usb2 audio in linux:  somehow data's going through as if it were usb1
[05:21] <tritium> Pinguvin, okay.  You disabled them?
[05:21] <bc> and thus distorting
[05:21] <Pinguvin> no.. i mean.. i never use them :p
[05:21] <linux_galore> bc: Im finding USB audio in Linux is one of those things that needs work
[05:21] <tritium> Pinguvin, yes, but is the "lp" module loaded?
[05:22] <Pinguvin> tritium: i have no idea..?
[05:22] <tritium> Pinguvin, "lsmod | grep lp"
[05:22] <bc> linux_galore, that's a relief to hear.  ok, no more farting around, back in goes the Live value card
[05:23] <Pinguvin> tritium: the parport says: 2 parport_pc, lp
[05:23] <tritium> Pinguvin, yes, then your parallel port IS being used.
[05:23] <tweek888> anyone know how to get flash working =\
[05:23] <Pinguvin> tritium: any idea how i turn it off?
[05:23] <tritium> Pinguvin, you can often disable in BIOS
[05:24] <linux_galore> bc: I use USB audio only for VoIP and in that case sound quality doesnt matter much its mono with a 200-1200hz range
[05:24] <tritium> Pinguvin, or, you can boot with kernel option "acpi_irq_isa=7"
[05:24] <thundrcleeze> tweek888, sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[05:24] <thundrcleeze> that and other facts are available at www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:24] <Pinguvin> tritium: ok.. i'll try the boot option then
[05:24] <tweek888> thanks
[05:25] <thundrcleeze> np
[05:25] <tritium> Pinguvin, okay, that doesn't disable the parallel port, but it might solve your sound problem.  No guarantees, though.
[05:25] <linux_galore> Ive got shockwave and quicktime working with mozilla/firefox
[05:26] <Pinguvin> tritiun: booting up now :)
[05:26] <ubuntu2u> tritium! your back old chap
[05:26] <tritium> ubuntu2u, hey there
[05:26] <tritium> ubuntu2u, I'm putting ubuntu on my other machine today.
[05:26] <tritium> I killed Sid!
[05:27] <tritium> Sid won't be bothering my toys anymore.
[05:27] <linux_galore> bc: whats the USB sound device in question
[05:27] <Pinguvin> tritium: i still cant turn the volume on
[05:28] <bc> SB Audigy nx external usb2
[05:28] <linux_galore> Ive got Ubunti on my Apple sMac_top
[05:28] <tritium> Pinguvin, oh.  Are your sound modules loaded?
[05:28] <Pinguvin> tritium: whats the command?
[05:29] <linux_galore> tritium: he cant get the aslamixer tool going that tells me he hasnt even got sound up and going
[05:29] <tritium> Pinguvin, "lsmod | grep snd"
[05:29] <tritium> linux_galore, I see...
[05:29] <tritium> I just got in here a while ago
[05:29] <Pinguvin> snd_atiixp and snd_pcm_oss is set to 0
[05:30] <tritium> Pinguvin, what kind of sound card?
[05:30] <bc> I can't find alsa-utils, though I've got it installed.  doesn't run from Run Application dialog
[05:30] <tritium> bc "dpkg -L alsa-utils" to find out what files are in the package
[05:30] <Pinguvin> tritium: ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller
[05:31] <bc> thanks tritium
[05:31] <tritium> sure
[05:31] <tritium> Pinguvin, is that from lspci
[05:31] <tritium> ?
[05:31] <Pinguvin> yes
[05:31] <tritium> ok
[05:31] <linux_galore> bc: little silver box with two round adjusters on the top that one
[05:32] <crimsun> bc: usb[12]  make no difference to alsa.
[05:32] <Pinguvin> cat /proc/asound/card gives me: -- no soundcards --
[05:32] <bc> that's it
[05:32] <mpq> well, I'm an idiot
[05:33] <membreya> erm... I just overwrote my /etc/modules file
[05:33] <membreya> should I just lsmod it and copy and paste all running modules into it?
[05:33] <mpq> I was trying to figure out why my computer was running so slow
[05:33] <mpq> ...it was because I was running the folding program
[05:33] <bc> linux_galore: with both ubuntu and mepis, it sounds like worse than 8-bit audio
[05:33] <crimsun> Pinguvin: snd-atiixp? That's an easy problem, more lengthy (but easy) to fix.
[05:33] <crimsun> Pinguvin: you need a newer version of alsa-driver. 2 secs.
[05:33] <Dull404> what is qt called for ubuntu?
[05:34] <Pinguvin> crimsun: k :)
[05:34] <linux_galore> bc: hmm not much data on it when related it to Linux
[05:34] <tritium> nice
[05:34] <crimsun> Dull404: libqt3c102{-mt}
[05:34] <tritium> Pinguvin, you're in wicked-good hands with crimsun.  I'll let him take over here...
[05:34] <Pinguvin> hehe okey thanx man
[05:35] <Dull404> crimsun: for develop... libqt3-dev ?
[05:35] <membreya> anyone? :(
[05:35] <tritium> membreya, that would be excessive
[05:35] <bc> um, something weird just happened on my laptop; hit some wrong keys while typing here in X-chat...
[05:35] <crimsun> Dull404: libqt3-{headers,mt-dev}
[05:35] <membreya> what do you suggest I do then since I overwrote it? :(
[05:35] <bc> and I got an error message saying something about "suspend" not being available
[05:36] <Dull404> crimsun thanks
[05:36] <CubicllyContaine> hello all
[05:36] <bc> Which makes me wonder, how DO i suspend, hibernate, etc a laptop?  I can't find anything in help on this
[05:36] <crimsun> Pinguvin: first thing: sudo aptitude install build-essential kernel-package linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:37] <CubicllyContaine> I have an odd Gnome related problem if there are any takers...
[05:37] <Pinguvin> crimsun: will try
[05:37] <crimsun> Pinguvin: next thing: wget http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2004/12/11/debian/pool/main/a/alsa-driver/alsa-source_1.0.7-2_all.deb && sudo dpkg -i alsa-source_1.0.7-2_all.deb
[05:37] <moyogo> CubicllyContaine: we're here for that
[05:37] <crimsun> Pinguvin: next thing: sudo adduser $(echo $USER) src
[05:38] <CubicllyContaine> With nothing but the defult desktop running, something is accessing my HDD... seems to only be present in Gnome.
[05:38] <CubicllyContaine> It's not much... 20k or so but every 4 seconds.
[05:39] <CubicllyContaine> Can't figure out what in the heck it's writing.
[05:39] <Pinguvin> crimson: thank you... i'll keep you updated :)
[05:39] <crimsun> Pinguvin: next thing: on a separate console (ctrl+alt+F2) - or log out and back in - cd /usr/src && tar xfj alsa-driver.tar.bz2
[05:39] <CubicllyContaine> I have noted this in a few distros using Gnome... but only on my system.
[05:39] <crimsun> Pinguvin: next thing: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source   (make sure you select atiixp, not the modem one)
[05:39] <CubicllyContaine> lsof is to large and hard to understand for me to pinpoint it...
[05:40] <CubicllyContaine> but it is a bit annoying... considering it writes 20k or so every 4 sec on the dot.
[05:40] <membreya> any why isn't ndiswrapper available on synaptic???
[05:40] <CubicllyContaine> Anyone else note this kind of activity?
[05:41] <Dull404> membreya added all repos?
[05:41] <crimsun> Pinguvin: next thing: cd modules/alsa-driver && fakeroot debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[05:41] <membreya> many as I can get off of ubuntuguide.org
[05:41] <Dull404> membreya, ok then i dont know ;)
[05:41] <membreya> is it available on your synaptic?
[05:41] <Golfer> good evening everyone
[05:42] <CubicllyContaine> BTW, this is my first few hours using ubuntu... and I LOVE it. :)
[05:42] <Dull404> membreya: cant search at the mo' installing...w8 a sec
[05:42] <ubuntu2u> tritium, do you know how to port surf?
[05:42] <CubicllyContaine> besides this odd HDD writes that is.
[05:42] <ubuntu2u> obviously eh
[05:43] <Dull404> membreya: found ndiswrapper-utils 0.10
[05:43] <Golfer> membreya its availabe on mine
[05:43] <CubicllyContaine> anyone? ? ?
[05:43] <Golfer> CubicllyContaine not sure
[05:43] <membreya> gah..can't find it :|
[05:44] <membreya> plus I have the added problem of I've overwritten /etc/modules :|
[05:44] <Dull404> membreya: activate all, serach/name "ndis"
[05:44] <tritium> ubuntu2u, surf?  What's that?
[05:44] <Golfer> Source for the ndiswrapper linux kernel module  is this what your looking for??
[05:44] <membreya> Golfer: got the source but that wants me to compile a new kernel...
[05:44] <ubuntu2u> tritium really lol
[05:44] <Golfer> ah ok sorry
[05:44] <tritium> membreya, I would just put a few modules in your /etc/modules that you might need.
[05:45] <ubuntu2u> tritium i dunno
[05:45] <tritium> ubuntu2u, serious.  What is it?
[05:45] <ubuntu2u> tritium, it was a stupid question
[05:45] <tritium> oh, okay
[05:45] <ubuntu2u> tritium, i mean port surf... like go from computer to computer trying to access things through different ports
[05:45] <tritium> membreya, perhaps ide-disk, psmouse if you have PS2 mouse, mousedev
[05:46] <membreya> *cries* stupid stupid me
[05:46] <membreya> would demsg have modules that are loaded?
[05:46] <tritium> ubuntu2u, oh...no, not really
[05:46] <tritium> ubuntu2u, I'll be back in a few...
[05:46] <ubuntu2u> tritium, oh... you don't really know much about hacking or everything?
[05:46] <ubuntu2u> tritium, ok
[05:47] <Dull404> will debian software run on ubuntu? ... no?
[05:47] <daniels> ubuntu2u: no, and you won't find help for that sort of thing in this channel
[05:47] <CubicllyContaine> Well I'll repost my question in a bit... for now, it's more digging around in the system.
[05:47] <daniels> Dull404: sort of, but all the debian packages that build at all have been recompiled and are in the ubuntu repository anyway
[05:48] <Dull404> daniels: sort of.. hm.. ok. because then i could add repos to ftp servers holding debian software - wich are maaaany :P
[05:48] <oficina> I have trouble with "make" How do you troubleshoot that? http://www.pastebin.com/241256
[05:48] <Pinguvin> crimsun: Build alsa drivers with ISA PnP support? yes/no?
[05:48] <daniels> Dull404: as i said, everything in debian that builds has been recompiled for ubuntu
[05:48] <crimsun> Pinguvin: no
[05:48] <crimsun> Pinguvin: but you definitely want oss emulation.
[05:48] <Pinguvin> ok
[05:49] <Dull404> oficina: got automake/autoconf ? good to have.....
[05:49] <oficina> no, I don't or I don't know
[05:49] <Pinguvin> crimsun: what about build alsa drivers with debugging code?
[05:49] <Dull404> daniels: so native debian wont work/stable?
[05:49] <crimsun> Pinguvin: yes.
[05:49] <daniels> Dull404: it's not recommended
[05:50] <Dull404> daniels: ok thanks
[05:50] <Pinguvin> crimsun: what drivers am i supposed to select?
[05:50] <Pinguvin> crimsun: atiixp?
[05:50] <crimsun> Pinguvin: atiixp (not atiixp modem)
[05:51] <Pinguvin> crimsun: select it with enter or..?
[05:51] <crimsun> Pinguvin: yes.
[05:52] <Pinguvin> k
[05:52] <cblack> hrm. okay, what's the trick to being able to edit the menus in gnome out of hoary? the option doesn't seem to be available with a right click like i'm used to.
[05:52] <moyogo> oficina: you need moc
[05:52] <moyogo> oficina: you can find moc in the qt3-dev-tools package
[05:53] <oficina> moyogo: thanks, I downloaded moc, but now I get the following message http://www.pastebin.com/241257
[05:54] <linux_galore> bc: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=2375
[05:54] <Pinguvin> crimsun: i cant cd /modules/alsa-driver
[05:55] <crimsun> Pinguvin: notice that I did not type a leading '/'
[05:55] <Pinguvin> crimsun: oh! but now i get fakeroot: command not found
[05:55] <Xenguy> Hi - a friend is having trouble copying and pasting from OOo to an aterm terminal window -- does anyone else have any problem pasting from OO ?
[05:55] <oficina> moyogo: any clues?
[05:55] <ubuntu2u> tritium, i am going to sleep
[05:55] <moyogo> oficina: that's not the moc you need, there's a dev-tools and an audio player, you have the audio player
[05:55] <ubuntu2u> tritium later man
[05:56] <CubicllyMinded> Ok, here's another one....
[05:56] <crimsun> Pinguvin: sudo aptitude install fakeroot
[05:56] <oficina> Xenguy: try middle clicking for pastin
[05:56] <CubicllyMinded> I can't seem to mount my USB flash stick...
[05:56] <moyogo> oficina: install the qt3-dev-tools package
[05:56] <linux_galore> bc: there is also a irc channel on this server called #creative
[05:56] <CubicllyMinded> it works on most other distros...
[05:56] <moyogo> oficina: remove the moc you have first of course
[05:56] <Xenguy> oficina: yes, that is standard, but it doesn't work for him for some reason
[05:56] <oficina> oh
[05:56] <CubicllyMinded> I get an "wrong fstype" error...
[05:56] <linux_galore> bc: and its an official channel according to creative http://opensource.creative.com/
[05:56] <crimsun> bc: what are you trying to get working?
[05:56] <CubicllyMinded> but I've defined the fs correctly.
[05:57] <NuuB> crimsun: thank you for your help last week (online now with the modem)
[05:57] <tritium> ubuntu2u, I'm back.  Oh, and good night.
[05:57] <Pinguvin> crimsun: now i get. cd: modules/alsa-driver: no such file or directory
[05:57] <CubicllyMinded> Is there a problem with usb_storage and/or via chipsets in this release (4.10) with the latest k7 kernel?
[05:57] <oficina> moyogo: I will try that right now
[05:58] <crimsun> Pinguvin: pwd
[05:58] <Dull404> I installed k3b... how can i get it on the program list?
[05:58] <crimsun> NuuB: excellent! :)
[05:59] <Pinguvin> crimsun: pwd gives me /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver
[05:59] <crimsun> Pinguvin: so you're in the correct directory. Time to run that long fakeroot command again.
[06:00] <Pinguvin> crimsun without the cd thing then?
[06:00] <CubicllyMinded> so yah, as I said... anyone having trouble with their usb storage media (external HDDs or flash sticks)???
[06:00] <slave> hello all !
[06:00] <linux_galore> no USB is fine here
[06:00] <oficina> moyogo: apparently the qt3 thing is installed.
[06:00] <slave> I NEED HELP TO INSTALL TCSH, PLEASE HELP ?
[06:01] <moyogo> oficina: what does 'moc -v' print at the command line?
[06:01] <oficina> moyogo: "moc: invalid option -- v
[06:01] <oficina> moc 1.1.0
[06:01] <oficina> "
[06:01] <CubicllyMinded> linux_galore, cool... just getting a feel for bugs.
[06:01] <NuuB> crimsun: all i needed to do was remove the gateway address which ubuntu set by default during the install (your suggestion that it was in network settings pointed me in the right direction and it wasn't too long before i figred out that it was the gateway address)
[06:01] <linux_galore> CubicllyMinded: usb sound needs work though
[06:01] <da_bon_bon> to upgrade to hoary, must i do a upgrade, or a dist-upgrade
[06:02] <crimsun> Pinguvin: correct
[06:02] <Jimbob> slave: no need to yell, just run "apt-get install tcsh"
[06:02] <moyogo> oficina: moc 1.1.0 is the audio player, the one you need is Qt Meta Object Compiler
[06:02] <Jimbob> (as root, I should say)
[06:02] <slave> thanks jimbob, i will try
[06:02] <moyogo> oficina: what does 'dpkg-query -s qt3-dev-tools' print?
[06:02] <Pinguvin> cd modules/alsa-driver && fakeroot
[06:02] <Pinguvin> debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[06:02] <oficina> moyogo: well, how do I get it? apparently qt3 dev libs are already installed
[06:02] <Pinguvin> oops
[06:03] <da_bon_bon> to upgrade to hoary, must i do a upgrade, or a dist-upgrade
[06:03] <crimsun> dist-upgrade
[06:03] <Pinguvin> crimsun: looking good so far
[06:03] <moyogo> oficina: it's qt3-dev-tools, it's extra tool on top of the libs
[06:03] <CubicllyMinded> linux_galore, well my usb flash drive works wonders in other distros... but gives a buffer i/o problem with this current setup. Odd.
[06:03] <moyogo> oficina: use 'sudo apt-get install qt3-dev-tools'
[06:04] <Aeon_> anyone know how to check what version of ubuntu was installed?
[06:04] <oficina> moyogo: well if tools<>libs, then I don't have it then, I will get it.
[06:04] <da_bon_bon> crimsun: thanks
[06:04] <linux_galore> CubicllyMinded: I havent tried one of those larger flash drives on my machine yet
[06:04] <crimsun> Aeon_: /etc/issue has it. Barring that, check the version of libc6 installed.
[06:05] <crimsun> Aeon_: (e.g., dpkg -l libc6|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}' )
[06:05] <linux_galore> lol
[06:05] <SBSP> i'm brand new to linux and just installed ubuntu.. simple question... how do i connect to the internet?
[06:05] <cindux> SBSP
[06:05] <cindux> your internet may have already been connected for you
[06:05] <slave> jimbob, got errror message: "E: Couldn't find package tcsh"
[06:05] <cindux> try opening firefox
[06:05] <Aeon_> crimsun: thanks
[06:06] <SBSP> i did open firefox.. it was not connected
[06:06] <cindux> ok
[06:06] <Pinguvin> crimsun: is there anything else i need to do when the fakeroot thing is done?
[06:06] <cindux> what type of connection do you have ?
[06:06] <crimsun> Pinguvin: yes, cd ..
[06:06] <SBSP> dialup.. on a winmodem
[06:06] <Jimbob> slave: What version of ubuntu are you running?
[06:07] <crimsun> Pinguvin: then install the .deb that you created
[06:07] <Aeon_> crimsun: it returned: 2.3.2.dsl-13ub
[06:07] <Pinguvin> crimsun: how? :\
[06:07] <cindux> ok
[06:07] <SBSP> device manager seems to ecognize the modem
[06:08] <crimsun> Aeon_: so you have Warty
[06:08] <linux_galore> www.linmodems.org
[06:08] <cindux> go to Computer > System Config >
[06:08] <SBSP> ok
[06:08] <cindux> then networking
[06:08] <sasquatc4> anyone know where to find the CARDLIST in kernel documentation, im following the troubleshooting for tvtime and i dunno where to look for my tv tuner card listing
[06:08] <SBSP> ok
[06:08] <tritium> Pinguvin, dpkg -i, followed by the name of the package
[06:08] <cindux> enter your password if it asks you to etc
[06:08] <SBSP> ok
[06:09] <cindux> ok now under the COnnections tab
[06:09] <cindux> click Add +
[06:09] <Pinguvin> tritium: i dont know the name of it
[06:09] <cindux> + Add *
[06:09] <SBSP> i alreadt set that up
[06:09] <slave> jimbob,i Download Ubuntu 4.10 "The Warty Warthog"
[06:09] <SBSP> username and password
[06:09] <tritium> Pinguvin, it ends in .deb
[06:09] <cindux> When is 5. coming out ?
[06:09] <tritium> Pinguvin, it may be in a higher directory.  If you don't see it, cd .. and look again
[06:10] <cindux> SBSP which ste are you on ?
[06:10] <cindux> step*
[06:10] <slackd00d> does ubuntu have kde? or just gnome
[06:10] <SBSP> ste?
[06:10] <cindux> gnome by default
[06:10] <cindux> step*
[06:10] <SBSP> connection is set up..
[06:10] <slackd00d> so if i download the warty-release-install-i386.iso  it will have kde
[06:10] <SBSP> won't dial
[06:11] <tritium> slackd00d, no, not on the CD.  You'll have to install it later if you want it.
[06:11] <slackd00d> ok thank you
[06:11] <linux_galore> slackd00d: its on the servers
[06:11] <Pinguvin> tritium: theres a alsa-modules package in the modules folder.. that one?
[06:11] <CubicllyMinded> need to log out and in... one sec
[06:11] <tritium> Pinguvin, yes, that's what you were building, right?
[06:11] <slackd00d> just curious..im downloading it now to see what all the fuss is about   =)
[06:11] <Pinguvin> tritium: i dont remember :)
[06:12] <tritium> Pinguvin, you know about tab-completion?  If the filename is really long, start typing the first few letters, and hit Tab.
[06:12] <cindux> SBSP make sure you've entered all the information correctly
[06:12] <cindux> one wrong number or a space will ruin it all
[06:12] <Pinguvin> tritium: thanx!!! :D
[06:12] <SBSP> i am sure.. this is the 3rd time i've tried it
[06:12] <tritium> Pinguvin, that way you don't have to type in the whole file name :)
[06:13] <Jimbob> slave: Ok, do you have the "universe" and "multiverse" sources in your repositories list?
[06:13] <tritium> Pinguvin, did it install?
[06:13] <cindux> hm...
[06:13] <SBSP> does ubuntu come with mvdial?
[06:13] <cindux> :(
[06:13] <slave> jimbob, i will check
[06:13] <Pinguvin> tritium: yep its done
[06:13] <cindux> not sure
[06:14] <SBSP> i suspect it doesn't have the drivers for my winmodem.. it has a conexant chipset
[06:14] <Pinguvin> crimsun: is that it?
[06:14] <Jimbob> slave: There should be a line in /etc/apt/sources.list that looks like this --> "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe multiverse" <-- at least the "universe multiverse" stuff at the end.
[06:14] <crimsun> Pinguvin: after you've installed the deb, the easiest way is to reboot
[06:15] <slave> jimbob, thanks ! i will check on it
[06:15] <Pinguvin> crimsun: will do
[06:15] <cindux> hm..
[06:15] <cindux> The stupid tube screensaver
[06:15] <cindux> freezes my pc
[06:15] <cindux> every single time
[06:15] <sasquatc4> i installed the 2.6.8.1 kernel documentation, but i cannot find it anywhere, where does apt actually install it to
[06:15] <linux_galore> SBSP: aah yes conextant only offer free driver version thats crippled or an un crippled comercial driver
[06:15] <linux_galore> the un-crippled on is $$$
[06:16] <linux_galore> one*
[06:16] <ells> does anyone know of a good way to copy a dvd in linux
[06:16] <cindux> ells
[06:16] <SBSP> i see... so they sell the drivers? that doesn't sound very ethical
[06:16] <cindux> rub the dvd on a blank cd
[06:16] <ells> cindux, yes
[06:16] <cindux> until they tranfude
[06:16] <ells> riiiiigggghhhhhtttt
[06:16] <cindux> lol im just really tired
[06:16] <linux_galore> SBSP: well creative dont want to support Linux..they are a bit like asus with there heads up there proverbial
[06:17] <Pinguvin> crimsum: I LOVE YOU!
[06:17] <ells> Is there a good program or way out there to copy dvds
[06:17] <SBSP> but you said they make drivers..
[06:17] <crimsun> Pinguvin: enjoy your music. :)
[06:17] <Pinguvin> im so happy right now :D
[06:17] <Pinguvin> thank you so much
[06:17] <crimsun> np
[06:17] <Pinguvin> tritium too
[06:17] <Pinguvin> :)
[06:18] <tritium> Pinguvin, :)
[06:18] <Pinguvin> woohoo
[06:19] <cindux> dumb question from newb ubuntu :P
[06:19] <cindux> Besides Themes
[06:19] <Pinguvin> i need to save this convo so i know what to do the next time.. but how ?
[06:19] <linux_galore> SBSP: always just grab the driver off cough peer to peer cough
[06:19] <Dull404> what is a good cd/dvd writing tools for ubuntu? and movie/mp3 player ? totem player crashes when i try to play.....
[06:19] <cindux> I just want to change the color when you select something or hover ?
[06:19] <cindux> in ubuntus case the light brown
[06:19] <sasquatc4> i installed the 2.6.8.1 kernel documentation, but i cannot find it anywhere, where does apt actually install it to
[06:19] <SBSP> ah yes  i see a company, linuxant makes drivers for the conexant chipset, a crippled free version or a full version for 15 bucks
[06:19] <Dull404> cindux: theme?
[06:19] <cindux> ?
[06:19] <cindux> I meant besides themes?
[06:20] <cindux> is their anyway I can just edit that ?
[06:20] <cindux> I don't even know how to create my own
[06:20] <Dull404> cindux: yes, look at themes, and you can select whatever u want to change.. list.. etc
[06:20] <SBSP> the modem isn't even worth 15 bucks.. are there any modems you'd recommend for linux use?
[06:20] <moyogo> oficina: does it work now?
[06:20] <slackd00d> damn the u.s. mirrors are fast...im steadaly downloading at 377KB/s
[06:21] <Jimbob> sasquatc4: If you use synaptic, there's a tab in the package description called "installed files". You can also run "dpkg -L package-name" from a terminal
[06:21] <linux_galore> SBSP: any externals work fine
[06:21] <Dull404> cindux: theme details
[06:21] <cindux> ah
[06:21] <cindux> see i saw that & thought it was just detailed info about who made them etc
[06:21] <SBSP> serial or usb?
[06:21] <cindux> thanks man
[06:21] <oficina> moyogo: I'm still on it. I'm on dialup, and I'm a bit clumsy, so I take a little longer than others. Thanks for keeping up with me though
[06:21] <linux_galore> SBSP: serial
[06:21] <sasquatc4> Jimbob, thanks
[06:21] <linux_galore> SBSP: get a second hand serial v92 for about $10
[06:21] <Dull404> cindux: np. standard gnome thing ;)
[06:22] <SBSP> ebay?
[06:22] <cindux> ncix.com :D
[06:22] <cindux> SB you in Canada?
[06:22] <linux_galore> SBSP: yeah ebay or ask a buddy or ask on your local LUG list
[06:22] <linux_galore> SBSP: if you lived local you could have my old dial up modem for $10
[06:22] <membreya> well .. I can't be bothered recreating my /etc/modules file since I overwrote it...quick question, when I download modules and updates...are the files stored locally?
[06:23] <slave> jimbob, only "restrict" inside sources.list, this file is read only
[06:23] <SBSP> so.. ther's no such thing as a serial winmodem?
[06:24] <linux_galore> SBSP: yeah some USB modems are but I hvant heard of a "serial" winmodem
[06:25] <SBSP> one more thing... i can't read my windows partition fronm ubuntu
[06:25] <linux_galore> SBSP: is it ntfs
[06:25] <SBSP> fat16
[06:25] <regeya> well, the winmodems don't contain a working UART IIRC; the serial port runs off a uart, so you're cool there
[06:25] <linux_galore> SBSP: should be able to read it fine
[06:26] <SBSP> ok reg  thanks
[06:26] <regeya> http://jamesthornton.com/freebsd/articles/serial-uart/
[06:26] <Dull404> i cant install mplayer with synaptic.. is there another good movie player (for xvid,ac3,mp3) ? xine?
[06:26] <SBSP> when i open /mnt.. it is empty
[06:26] <cindux> crap lol
[06:26] <slave> jimbo, how do i edit this file ? read only !
[06:26] <cindux> what are the default icons in ubuntu ?
[06:26] <regeya> it may say 'freebsd' in the url, but it's a decent enough link
[06:26] <cindux> Crux right ?
[06:26] <SBSP> do i need to mount the win partition or something?
[06:27] <farruinn> Dull404: I like xine
[06:27] <tezza> crimsun, you around mate?
[06:27] <membreya> anyone know where the files are downloaded to when I do an apt-get? or do they get deleted?
[06:27] <crimsun> tezza: aye
[06:27] <Dull404> cindux: the one on top.... i think
[06:27] <linux_galore> SBSP: sudo mkdir /mnt/windows && mount  -t  vfat/dev/hda1  /mnt/windows
[06:27] <farruinn> membreya: /var/cache/apt or something like that
[06:28] <Dull404> farruinn: great. im getting it
[06:28] <membreya> champ :)
[06:28] <linux_galore> SBSP: minor typo sudo mkdir /mnt/windows && mount  -t  vfat  /dev/hda1  /mnt/windows
[06:28] <dud> use dpkg -L <package> to see where the installed files goes
[06:28] <SBSP> ahh  ok ty LG
[06:28] <regeya> I stand corrected; not all winmodems lack a uart.
[06:28] <farruinn> membreya: they're only deleted if you do an apt-get clean
[06:28] <regeya> (though that's weird)
[06:28] <HappyFool> i thought it was something to do with the filtering / DSP stuff too
[06:29] <regeya> aye
[06:29] <linux_galore> SBSP: did you look under /media
[06:29] <membreya> cool..going to burn then delete
[06:29] <SBSP> mine has a dsp controller
[06:29] <cindux> just in case i screw something up
[06:29] <regeya> if I ever see a serial-based winmodem, I will smash it with a large rock
[06:29] <membreya> if I want to restore the files once I've reinstalled do I just add the cdrom as a rep in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[06:29] <SBSP> i'll try that too lg
[06:29] <cindux> when in desktop preference > fonts
[06:29] <cindux> is their a way to simply revert them all
[06:29] <SBSP> thanks so much for your help
[06:29] <linux_galore> <-- hasnt dual booted windows in 3 years so is rusty lol
[06:30] <sasquatc4> is there anyway to force an rmmod command? im tryin tto get my tuner working and it wont let me remove the one currently in use to try a new one
[06:31] <linux_galore> though though Ubuntu created a mount point for windows (fat##) automatically
[06:31] <linux_galore> thought*
[06:31] <sasquatc4> nm its just -f, wierd though that my modprobe arguments seem to not even have an effect
[06:31] <linux_galore> one happy customer just left
[06:32] <membreya> farruinn: when I reinstall ubuntu, do I just add the cd with the archives to my /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[06:33] <farruinn> membreya: do you mean a cd that you burned?
[06:33] <membreya> farruinn: yup...just burning the archives now
[06:34] <farruinn> because you would've needed to have included a couple of important files to use the cd as an apt repository
[06:34] <membreya> oh? like what?
[06:34] <farruinn> as it is now, you'll just have to dpkg -i *.deb
[06:34] <membreya> damn new operating systems :|
[06:34] <farruinn> there is an apt repository howto on debian's website, I don' thave the specific link
[06:35] <membreya> onto it now farruinn, thankyou so much for this :)
[06:35] <Jimbob> slave: You can edit it via the "sudo" command (e.g "sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list")
[06:35] <Jimbob> slave: If your user has the ability to edit that file, it'll prompt you for your username.
[06:41] <moyogo> oficina: that newdocms thing looks interesting. what do you need it for?
[06:41] <Harold> I'm on hoary right now and to make mounted volumes in /media appear using nautilus as a desktop I have to restart hal each session, did nautilus do that automatically in warty or am I missing something somewhere? :)
[06:42] <oficina> moyogo: ok, I guess I managed to install the tools now. I check by doing "echo $QTDIR" and I get the response "/usr/lib/qt3/". Apparently there is a "moc" file at "/usr/lib/qt3/bin". HOWEVER, I *still* get the moc error! http://www.pastebin.com/241267
[06:42] <oficina> moyogo: It is the closest thing to a usable Document Management System implement the Liquid FileSystem theory I have ever como close to in months and months of research.
[06:43] <oficina> moyogo: and it's abandoned!
[06:43] <oficina> moyogo: I have been at least 8 hours trying to install this and satisfying dependencies.
[06:44] <moyogo> oficina: it sounds a bit like storage http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/index.html
[06:44] <slave> jimbob, i got it to edit, i can install anything, except csh and tcsh
[06:45] <oficina> moyogo: You might get mad at me by what I'm about to say. To be honest, I'm currently trying to do this installation in Mandrake 10.1, not Ubuntu.    I have Ubuntu installed too, but I've heard it's a big hassle to get KDE working. Not to mention this thing. However, I have gotten used to finding very knowledgeable and helpful people at this channel, so I apologize if I'm abusing of your help
[06:45] <pepsi> anybody get java working?
[06:45] <pepsi> inside of firefox
[06:45] <pepsi> it works, but applets cant get keypresses
[06:45] <oficina> moyogo: It is a cousin of storage. Except it integrates directly into every single app open/save dialog box, making it very useful to implement it with computerphobe users.
[06:46] <oficina> moyogo: storage is more like a natural search engine/winfs/spotlight field, but it does not let you manage the files per se.
[06:47] <oficina> moyogo: ...at least, as far as I know
[06:47] <oficina> moyogo: I'm pulling my hair already! I tell you, I've been at least 10 hours tyring to get this to install.
[06:47] <moyogo> oficina: true... i hope we go in that direction
[06:47] <moyogo> oficina: it seems rather annoying, eh
[06:48] <oficina> moyogo: what is annoying?
[06:48] <moyogo> oficina: mmm, maybe add the /usr/lib/qt3/bin to your $PATH
[06:49] <membreya> one final question before I format...why does the install CD detect and attempt to use my wireless card but once ubuntu is installed it isnt able to load it ?
[06:49] <oficina> moyogo: as long as you keep pumping up suggestiions I can manage to keep hope. Thanks. Sounds dumb, but... how do I do that?
[06:50] <oficina> moyogo: ...meaning, how do I add the path
[06:50] <oficina> moyogo: ok, I think I found a way
[06:51] <NuuB> i thought i installed apache2 but i tried both "apachectl status" and "httpd -V" at the command line (as sudo) and it returned "command not found" both times - where am i going wrong?
[06:51] <oficina> PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib/qt3/bin
[06:51] <oficina> export PATH correct me if I'm wrong
[06:51] <moyogo> oficina: correct
[06:51] <moyogo> oficina: or 'set PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib/qt3/bin
[06:52] <moyogo> oficina: actually, i'm wrong, your way works better
[06:53] <moyogo> oficina: it's rather strange that mandrake doesn't have moc in its path
[06:53] <oficina> moyogo: Hallelujah! It seems it's moving forward again! brb, I'll keep you posted
[06:54] <hybrid> hello
[06:54] <slave> jimbob, i took out all #s, now working ok
[06:55] <oficina> moyogo: ok, make is chuggin away. I wonder if all that output to the screen is good or bad.
[06:55] <oficina> moyogo: damn. probably bad. It spit out a lot of stuff at the end again. brb
[06:55] <hybrid> i am having a problem with gnome when i log into gnome normal it only opens the terminal thats it but when i go into gnome failsafe wvwrything but the application button works
[06:55] <hybrid> any help?
[06:56] <hybrid> *8everything
[06:56] <hybrid> grr <---- needs sleep if you cant tell by my typing
[06:57] <oficina> moyogo: Here's the new output. Apparently this time it has advanced a bit more, but still chokes in the end http://www.pastebin.com/241269
[06:59] <oficina> moyogo: Might be that frustration is blurring my eyes, but I can't seem to easily spot the troublemaker this time? Or does this mean it was able to finish the make?
[07:00] <stuNNed> whoa, the new update system rocks compared to fugly synaptic, what's it written in?
[07:00] <moyogo> oficina: it seems make finished clean
[07:00] <mpq> is it weird that I just use the terminal to update?
[07:00] <moyogo> oficina: i mean well
[07:00] <oficina> moyogo: really??!!?? woohooo!
[07:01] <oficina> next step then
[07:01] <farruinn> mpq: honestly, I usually only open synaptic when someone asks for help on it
[07:01] <Jimbob> slave: groovy
[07:01] <oficina> moyogo: I guess I shouldn't fret over those yes for Ada/C/ObjC but not C++ messages
[07:01] <mpq> I've never even opened synaptic...
[07:01] <oficina> moyogo: brb
[07:02] <moyogo> i find synaptic useful for browsing
[07:02] <moyogo> see what's new
[07:06] <oficina> moyogo: ok, please corroborate with me that the make install has no major issues either http://www.pastebin.com/241275
[07:07] <sasquatc4> how do you really force rmmod to stop a module from running, im working with my tvtuner and even after i do an rmmod -f, i still get a picture in tvtime, which shouldnt happen if its actually removed
[07:08] <cindux> hm
[07:08] <tweek_> i have another stpid question o.0
[07:09] <cindux> Anyone knoe if theirs a command or something that basically removes all history?
[07:09] <tweek_> stupid*
[07:09] <tweek_> how do i get root on my ubuntu?
[07:09] <farruinn> tweek_: use sudo, and read the RootSudo wiki page
[07:09] <Amaranth> tweek_: use sudo
[07:09] <tweek_> thanks :)
[07:09] <oficina> moyogo: Ok, part 2 out of 3 has been completed (about 12 thorny hours later, but hey, at least there's movement forward)
[07:10] <cindux> tweek_ also if you want to have an entire session as root
[07:10] <cindux> instead of typing sudo each command
[07:10] <cindux> sudo su
[07:10] <tweek_> can i set myself to root by default?
[07:10] <xskoulax> is hoary going to use x-org?
[07:10] <Amaranth> it already does
[07:10] <tweek_> so whenever i log in im root
[07:10] <farruinn> tweek_: that is a very bad idea
[07:10] <tweek_> howso?
[07:10] <xskoulax> Amaranth, was that directed at me?
[07:11] <Amaranth> tweek_: Any bug in any application can wipe our your entire harddrive if you're running as root.
[07:11] <farruinn> there is the root terminal option in Computer>system> or somesuch, but generally being root all the time isn't good
[07:11] <Amaranth> xskoulax: Yeah.
[07:11] <xskoulax> thx Amaranth
[07:11] <cindux> he lies
[07:11] <tweek_> ok
[07:11] <cindux> log in as root amsp
[07:11] <cindux> lol
[07:11] <tweek_> il jsut do sudo su
[07:11] <moyogo> oficina: yeah the make install seems fine too
[07:12] <Amaranth> tweek_: Most of the Windows worms and trogans and such wouldn't work as well or at all if people didn't run as Administrator there. Same thing applies for Linux systems.
[07:12] <Amaranth> tweek_: sudo -s -H
[07:12] <cindux> neato
[07:12] <tweek_> ok ive gained root and im still getting the same error =\
[07:13] <Amaranth> tweek_: That gives you are root terminal and sets your $HOME variable to the correct value.
[07:13] <Amaranth> What error?
[07:13] <Amaranth> s/are/a/
[07:13] <tweek_> im trying to put plugins in mozilla
[07:13] <GammaRay> what good is root if you lose your user?
[07:13] <tweek_> and it says permission denied
[07:13] <moyogo> oficina: what's the third part?
[07:13] <Amaranth> tweek_: Not possible if you're running as root...
[07:14] <tweek_> well would root only apply to the terminal?
[07:15] <GammaRay> sudo -s starts a single shell as root
[07:15] <Amaranth> nope, any program run from a root terminal would be running as root too
[07:15] <oficina> moyogo: Part 1 was installing sqlite. Done. Part 2 was installing the libnewdocms libraries I just finished installing. Now I'm going to Part 3, which is installing the actual GUI file dialogs. From these instructions, how thorny do you think it will be? Following is the README file for the next step http://www.pastebin.com/241278
[07:15] <GammaRay> it does not effect anything else
[07:16] <tweek_> well im not runnig a program im just trying to copy&paste into /usr/lib/xmms
[07:16] <tweek_> and mozilla
[07:16] <sig_ubuntu> GammaRay: are you ok?
[07:16] <Amaranth> tweek_: copy&paste?
[07:16] <Amaranth> tweek_: You need to use the terminal.
[07:16] <tweek_> =\
[07:16] <tweek_> i have a feeling,this will take a while
[07:16] <Amaranth> tweek_: sudo cp whatever.ext /usr/lib/xmms
[07:17] <tweek_> is there a hotkey to start terminal?
[07:17] <sig_ubuntu> tweek_: are you using gnome or kde?
[07:17] <tweek_> gnome
[07:18] <oficina> moyogo: Before I go on, I want your expert opinion. The Readme file suggests downloading the source code for the KDE libraries the author used *at the time* of creating the software. Should I use current source code, or should I hunt the old version?
[07:18] <sig_ubuntu> yes there is
[07:18] <tweek_> ok
[07:18] <sig_ubuntu> desktop preferences > keyboard
[07:18] <dud> do Desktop -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[07:18] <sig_ubuntu> you know it wouldn't hurt you to try and figure this non ubuntu stuff out.
[07:18] <tweek_> well i hit my head pretty hard today =\
[07:18] <oficina> moyogo: his link to the KDE code of years ago, is, unsurprisingly, 404
[07:18] <GammaRay> sig_ubuntu: him?
[07:19] <GammaRay> sig_ubuntu: hmmm? rather
[07:19] <moyogo> oficina: hmmm, this looks like it's gonna be tricky
[07:19] <oficina> moyogo: I'll start diggin the path (I'm currently at http://www.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/kde/pub/kde/unstable/latest/src/ )
[07:19] <oficina> moyogo: yeah, I noticed *eeek*
[07:20] <GammaRay> sig_ubuntu: "am I ok?" whats
[07:20] <moyogo> oficina: it might be easier porting newdocms to the new kde
[07:20] <oficina> moyogo: But I've worked so hard to get this far, I wanna give it a try
[07:20] <NuuB> i installed apache2 and stuff the docs say to look for are not there - can someone please help?
[07:20] <moyogo> oficina: then find the source for the kde of the time
[07:20] <GammaRay> constant typos don't make one look any saner
[07:21] <moyogo> oficina: but you can try with the current one first
[07:21] <oficina> moyogo: c'mon. Look at me. If I have had this much trouble just following instructions, what do you think are the odd *I'm* gonna be able to port the thing?
[07:21] <tweek_> to copy multiple items in the same place to the same folder is cp blah.so,blah2.so?
[07:21] <moyogo> oficina: time will tell ;)
[07:21] <tezza> has anyone been able to get their laptop to suspend/hibernate ?
[07:21] <farruinn> tweek_: no, maybe cp *.so [destination dir] 
[07:21] <GammaRay> sig_ubuntu: just trying to be prophetic
[07:21] <oficina> moyogo: thanks for the pat on the back. You don't know how much I appreciate encouragement at this moment
[07:21] <moyogo> oficina: it wouldn't be that hard, all you need to do is figure out what changed in kde's code to do the port
[07:21] <tweek_> ok
[07:22] <moyogo> oficina: actually this should work with any kde 3.x
[07:23] <oficina> moyogo: To be honest, I really don't know how I could find that out. What I do know though, is that the KDE project source code is many times larger than the Linux kernel itself. That's enough to put me off
[07:23] <moyogo> oficina: so no porting required anytime soon
[07:23] <oficina> moyogo: whew! thanks!!!!!
[07:24] <oficina> moyogo: Ok, his link isn't working, so I'm gonna go digging for an alternate path, to see if I can find something that sounds like it.
[07:24] <oficina> moyogo: I will keep the chat window on top in case you say something. brb
[07:25] <tweek_> farruinn that worked but it says the folder isnt there =\
[07:25] <tweek_> is terminal case sensitive?
[07:25] <farruinn> yes
[07:25] <tweek_> ah
[07:25] <moyogo> you can always find kdelibs' source at http://www.kde.org/download/
[07:25] <farruinn> tab completion is your friend
[07:25] <moyogo> oficina: you can always find kdelibs' source at http://www.kde.org/download/
[07:26] <oficina> moyogo: thanks. that seems to work better than http://download.kde.org
[07:27] <oficina> moyogo: nevermind last sentence
[07:27] <calamari> hi
[07:28] <GammaRay> My school server kicks me off after a few hours of inactivity. Any tips for stopping this? It's HP-UX and I'm logging in w/ ssh.
[07:29] <Xenguy> GammaRay: you could set up a recurring ping - that's one idea
[07:29] <mebaran151> ok
[07:29] <mebaran151> I reinstalled Hoary to clean some info off my hdd
[07:29] <mebaran151> clean format
[07:29] <mebaran151> now Evolution works
[07:30] <mebaran151> but ALSA doesnt
[07:30] <mebaran151> anybody have any ideas?
[07:30] <mebaran151> how to make sound come out
[07:30] <calamari> anyone compiled shfs on Ubuntu?  I'm not sure how to compile a kernel module.. it's telling me "make[3] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop."
[07:30] <Xenguy> GammaRay: e.g. -> ping -i 240 domain.com > /dev/null &
[07:30] <tweek888> woot its working :)
[07:30] <GammaRay> Xenguy: that's if I have the privs
[07:31] <Xenguy> GammaRay: not sure what you mean
[07:31] <GammaRay> privileges
[07:32] <Xenguy> GammaRay: I know, but what privileges don't you have to ping a server? :-)
[07:32] <GammaRay> on my home box I can't ping w/out root.  ping has to be suid root
[07:32] <Xenguy> really?
[07:33] <Xenguy> GammaRay: ls -ld `which ping`
[07:33] <decklin> calamari: get kernel-package and kernel-source-*, read the directions first
[07:34] <GammaRay> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 31K 2004-08-12 17:17 /bin/ping
[07:34] <GammaRay> that's default ubuntu
[07:34] <farruinn> erm, that doesn't require you to be root...
[07:34] <GammaRay> no.. but it is suid root
[07:34] <Xenguy> GammaRay: same as mine - and I can ping with non-root user
[07:35] <tweek888> are the wine servers down?
[07:35] <calamari> decklin: I have those packages.. which directions are you referring to?
[07:35] <Xenguy> GammaRay: if it is suid root already, what is the problem though?
[07:35] <mebaran151> damn ALSA
[07:35] <mebaran151> I checked my modules
[07:36] <LucaBrasi> what's array 4?
[07:36] <decklin> calamari: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz
[07:36] <GammaRay> Xenguy: never said there was one (-: just that I have a box in which ping isn't suid root
[07:36] <Amaranth> the name of the release
[07:36] <Amaranth> LucaBrasi: jdub said the real challenge was figuring out what array stands for
[07:36] <Amaranth> I was too tired to do it, maybe you could? :)
[07:36] <daniels> Amaranth: it's on the wiki, i'm sure
[07:37] <GammaRay> anyways.. on the school server ping is executable by me and suid root, but it's just not in my PATH
[07:37] <mebaran151> My ALSA setup failed after a reboot and reinstall
[07:37] <calamari> decklin: thanks
[07:37] <Xenguy> GammaRay: your speech is confusing - you say you have suid root /bin/ping on your Ubu box, then you say you have a box in which ping isn't suid root -- well, which is it?
[07:37] <mebaran151> all the moduels look like they are loaded
[07:37] <mebaran151> and the mixer is ok
[07:37] <GammaRay> Xenguy: I have two boxes
[07:37] <daniels> array : hoary :: sounder : warty; hedgehog : hoary :: warthog : warty
[07:37] <LucaBrasi> whats the diff between warty and hoary
[07:37] <Xenguy> GammaRay: are you root on both?
[07:38] <GammaRay> sure.. but one of them is directly connected to the net and I'm fine w/ typing sudo ping on it
[07:38] <Amaranth> daniels: That doesn't explain much. :P
[07:39] <Xenguy> GammaRay: I'm giving up on you, sorry -- if you want good help, then you need to be clear, and not force those trying to help you to decipher your statements
[07:39] <LucaBrasi> whats the diff between warty and hoary ? and is hoary just a beta ?
[07:39] <Amaranth> LucaBrasi: Name of the release.
[07:40] <chillywilly> when are we going to have an hplip package for ubuntu?
[07:40] <Amaranth> LucaBrasi: The first version was called warty warthog, the second one is called hoary hedgehog.
[07:40] <LucaBrasi> it says on ubuntu.com that hoary is gonna be released in april 2005, but the url in topic shows that hoary is out already ..whats the deal? is it the final or just a test?
[07:40] <Amaranth> Perky Penguin creeps me out, btw.
[07:40] <crimsun> LucaBrasi: 4th milestone is out. See the topic.
[07:40] <chillywilly> it's a "development" version
[07:41] <Amaranth> LucaBrasi: It's an unstable release that they need people to test.
[07:41] <GammaRay> Xenguy: my only request for help was about staying on my school server when I'm idle. Tis all
[07:41] <chillywilly> i.e., not the official release
[07:41] <Amaranth> it's an official release, just not a final one ;)
[07:41] <calamari> decklin: I'm still not sure how to get shfs to compile.. any pointers would be most helpful
[07:42] <LucaBrasi> ok I see
[07:42] <Xenguy> GammaRay: I'm aware of your problem -- it's trying to find a solution where we ran into 'vagueness' -- I've already offered what I can anyway, so that's all I have to say
[07:42] <LucaBrasi> how stable is the 4th milestone?
[07:42] <LucaBrasi> and can u upgrade to final hoary later?
[07:42] <decklin> calamari: i forget, is shfs a patch or is it in the mainstream kernel these days?
[07:42] <mebaran> my sndcard is an emu10k1
[07:42] <Amaranth> LucaBrasi: It's pretty good and yes.
[07:42] <mebaran> and it is not working
[07:42] <calamari> decklin: I don't know.. I downloaded the shfs gz off sourceforge
[07:42] <mebaran> despite the fax both the mixer and the modules are set properly
[07:43] <roybattius> anybody have problem getting ndiswrapper to work after a hoary upgrade?
[07:43] <decklin> calamari: it should have its own README then. you'll probably have to patch the kernel sources.
[07:43] <crimsun> mebaran: what does /proc/asound/modules contain?
[07:43] <LucaBrasi> noticable difference between warty and hoary ?
[07:43] <calamari> decklin: the readme tells me to type "make".. but it doesn't work because it's looking for a "module" rule that doesn't exist
[07:43] <calamari> err "modules" rule
[07:44] <mebaran> I dont have modules
[07:44] <mebaran> except as a file
[07:44] <decklin> either you or the readme are skipping a few steps :)
[07:44] <mebaran> /proc/asound contains Audigy2 card0 cards devices hwdep modules oss pcm seq timers version
[07:44] <calamari> decklin: yeah, I think so.. :)  shfs seems like it'd be really cool, though
[07:45] <Amaranth> shfs?
[07:45] <calamari> Amaranth: if I can get it to compile, it should allow me to mount a remote filesystem via ssh
[07:45] <decklin> it looks like you can simply install kernel-headers-2.6.10-whatever and compile the module outside of the kernel source tree
[07:45] <LucaBrasi> guys whats the main difference in ubuntu .. other words, why aren't there million+ distros out there sufficient? what's new/better in ubuntu?
[07:45] <GammaRay> Xenguy: I was just mentioning that perhaps the HPUX server might not let me ping as my own box does not. Then I discovered ping was just not in my PATH. problem solved.
[07:46] <decklin> or should be able to. i don't know why their makefile doesn't have the rule that their documentation is telling you to run.
[07:46] <Xenguy> GammaRay: excellent :-)
[07:46] <crimsun> mebaran: try and answer my question, please.
[07:46] <mebaran> crimsun
[07:46] <mebaran> I did
[07:46] <mebaran> modules is a file
[07:46] <GammaRay> well I ran this.. well see how it goes in a few hours
[07:46] <mebaran> I can not cd into it
[07:46] <GammaRay> while true; do /usr/sbin/ping www.google.com -n 1 ; sleep 3600 ; done &>/dev/null &
[07:46] <crimsun> mebaran: I'm asking you to list its contents.
[07:47] <crimsun> mebaran: I'm not asking you to change working directory into it.
[07:47] <decklin> calamari: shfs-source is in debian/unstable. has it hit hoary/universe yet? (i am not on my ubuntu machine)
[07:47] <mebaran> crimsun, sorry
[07:47] <mebaran> so should I cat it?
[07:47] <crimsun> mebaran: yes
[07:47] <mebaran> 0 snd_emu10k1
[07:47] <mebaran> there you go
[07:47] <mebaran> sorry about that
[07:47] <Drizzt321> I am looking to try installing ubuntu onto an amd64(with the amd64 version) on the new nforce4 motherboard. I have 2 sata disks on the nvidia ports with nvraid in raid0, however the sata_nv does not see it as '1' disk, but the 2 seperate ones. anyone else run into this problem? anyone hear anything about this issue?
[07:47] <crimsun> decklin: yes, 0.35-1 is in universe.
[07:47] <mebaran> I am easily confused
[07:48] <decklin> crimsun: try doing it that way.
[07:48] <crimsun> calamari: ^^
[07:48] <calamari> decklin: not sure.. downloading the linux-headers package so synaptic is busy atm
[07:48] <Xenguy> GammaRay: or as a cron job (?)
[07:48] <mebaran> Drizzt321, I had the same problem
[07:48] <mebaran> the problem is
[07:48] <mebaran> nvraid is really software raid
[07:48] <tweek888> is xmms just like winamp or music only?
[07:48] <Drizzt321> mebaran: yea, the nvraid is pretty much software
[07:48] <mebaran> with a speical windows driver
[07:48] <mebaran> we dont have a linux driver yet
[07:48] <mebaran> to read the bios
[07:49] <Drizzt321> mebaran: oh. my. so basically it don't work on linux.
[07:49] <mebaran> so you cant run the raid that way
[07:49] <mebaran> yeah
[07:49] <GammaRay> ~> crontab -e
[07:49] <GammaRay> crontab: you are not authorized to use cron.  Sorry.
[07:49] <Drizzt321> mebaran: damnit. well, thanks.
[07:49] <GammaRay> ouch
[07:49] <mebaran> just use the linux kernel raid
[07:49] <mebaran> or use dynamic disks
[07:49] <Drizzt321> mebaran: ermm...won't work. this would be dual boot
[07:49] <Xenguy> GammaRay: ah well
[07:49] <mebaran> dynamic disks
[07:49] <mebaran> can be over partitions
[07:49] <farruinn> wow, people need to learn to hit enter less in this channel
[07:49] <mebaran> and linux usually has the modules to read them
[07:49] <Xenguy> farruinn: heh
[07:49] <Drizzt321> mebaran: hrm?
[07:49] <mebaran> oh
[07:50] <calamari> decklin: synaptic says "0.35-1 (warty)" in the versions tab
[07:50] <mebaran> If you are running XP, you have a kernel raid
[07:50] <mebaran> just like Linux has a kernel raid
[07:50] <Drizzt321> mebaran: hmm...maybe NCQ is not worth the overhead of the software raid...so perhaps the silicon image raid would be better?
[07:50] <Drizzt321> mebaran: ahhh, gotcha, thats how it does it.
[07:50] <mebaran> kernel raid is doable just in a partition
[07:50] <mebaran> Silicon Raid hs the exact same problem
[07:51] <mebaran> except I think redhat has a utility to work with the raid bios
[07:51] <mebaran> it would be a pain to load and install though
[07:51] <Drizzt321> mebaran: both are pretty much completely in software?
[07:51] <decklin> calamari: appears to be the latest version. install that and shfs-utils. the -source package should have instructions on building .debs (you'll need kernel-headers installed of course)
[07:51] <mebaran> very much so
[07:51] <Drizzt321> mebaran: crap.
[07:51] <mebaran> hardware raid
[07:51] <mebaran> is very very expensive
[07:51] <mpq> xmms doesn't play mpeg-4 audio does it?
[07:51] <marco> how can i install xmms on my ubuntu
[07:52] <tweek888> i think it is
[07:52] <tezza> how would i mount a smb share so that a specific user can have read/write to it?
[07:52] <Drizzt321> mebaran: yea, I know. I just thought the SI chip would mask it a bit better. I know that on my old board my promise controller(for ide) would 'hide' the fact that it was seperate disks. or was that just the linux driver working?
[07:52] <mebaran> Drizzt321, but kernel raid is better anyway
[07:52] <mpq> marco: open a terminal, and type "sudo apt-get install xmms"
[07:52] <mpq> without the quotes
[07:52] <mebaran> promise might store the driver in bios
[07:52] <mebaran> the nv and SI drivers
[07:52] <mebaran> are in the kernel
[07:52] <calamari> decklin: yeah.. it says to type "make deb".. but that fails in the same way as "make"
[07:52] <mebaran> promise may have managed to put in directly in the bios code
[07:52] <mebaran> so that when you made a hdd call
[07:52] <decklin> tezza: mount -o 'uid=1234,gid=56789' ...
[07:53] <Drizzt321> mebaran: the odd part is, I think I noticed that, at least under windows, the response with disk access was actually a whole lot less...which I thought was odd
[07:53] <Drizzt321> mebaran: but this explains alot
[07:53] <tweek888> mpq is the synaptic packedge manager close to the effect as " sudo apt-get"?
[07:53] <mebaran> it would call the bios
[07:53] <mebaran> which would call the driver
[07:53] <mebaran> probably hard to do
[07:53] <farruinn> tweek888: yeah, synaptic and apt are both frontends to dpkg
[07:53] <mebaran> but it would then be universally platform able
[07:54] <mpq> yeah
[07:54] <mebaran> Drizzt321, if you really want raid
[07:54] <Drizzt321> mebaran: heh, yea, but why would anyone want to do that
[07:54] <mebaran> just use kernel raid
[07:54] <decklin> calamari: are you sure you should be calling make directly? building modules packages generally involves going through debian/rules.
[07:54] <mpq> I think it's the same thing
[07:54] <mebaran> it does the same job
[07:54] <mpq> I just prefer using terminal
[07:54] <mebaran> mostly as fast
[07:54] <mebaran> and over partitions
[07:54] <mebaran> anybody got any ideas on my sound problems
[07:54] <tweek888> k
[07:54] <mebaran> in alsa
[07:54] <Drizzt321> mebaran: I'm just thinking, since it 'feels' slower in windows(which _may_ stay my primary gaming platform), I might just switch back to non-raid
[07:55] <tezza> decklin: how do i find out the uid/gid?
[07:55] <crimsun> mebaran: sound stuff is lost in the scroll, it's easier if you join #alsa
[07:55] <Drizzt321> mebaran: since when I'm doing multiple access read/write to the disks, it just slows everything else down
[07:55] <marco> i already did that
[07:55] <mebaran> cool
[07:55] <mebaran> did not know that
[07:55] <mebaran> thanks
[07:55] <marco> but the terminal says than the package isnt available
[07:55] <decklin> id(1), or look in /etc/passwd.
[07:56] <marco> but also says that there's another package that references xmms
[07:56] <calamari> decklin: that's what the instructions say to do.. they don't mention Debian anywhere.
[07:56] <calamari> decklin: actually, the package wit hte sources doesn't even have docs at all, except a changelog
[07:56] <calamari> terr the debian package with the sources
[07:57] <calamari> man I can't type straight right now.. sorry
[07:58] <decklin> did you untar /usr/src/shfs-whatever.tar.gz?
[07:58] <decklin> you may need to look in modules/shfs/debian there.
[07:59] <tezza> decklin: i did that but within the mounted dir now it says 1001 1001
[07:59] <tezza> even though i set uid and gid to 1000
[07:59] <decklin> tezza: no idea. sorry.
[08:00] <NuuB> where the heck is httpd?? nothing seems to fit the standard paths in the apache docs (example: the docs say "apachectl" but the system has "apache2ctl") how the hell is a novice supposed to get anywhere when stuff on the system is not the same as in the docs?? i installed ubuntu because i read it was geared more towards novices, but this is becomming infuriating. please, please, will someone help me??
[08:01] <calamari> decklin: /usr/src/modules/shfs/debian has these files: changelog, compat, control, control.modules.in, copyright, rules, shfs-module-_KVERS_.postinst.modules.in
[08:01] <farruinn> perhaps you haven't installed it?
[08:01] <calamari> decklin: thanks a lot for your help, btw :)
[08:01] <ryan_> what package is distutils in ?
[08:01] <ryan_> .core
[08:01] <decklin> NuuB: in ubuntu, every service is controlled via /etc/init.d/nameofservice. for example, /etc/init.d/apache2 start to start apache.
[08:02] <marcm> hey there
[08:02] <marcm>  anyone wanna buy an almost brand new A64 3200+nForce 3 mobo (1 week old)?
[08:02] <ryan_> $5
[08:02] <DAC1138> ill buy it if there's a 100% rebate
[08:02] <marcm> cool
[08:02] <Dull404> im getting an error when trying to compile.... i cant understand whats wrong....
[08:02] <Dull404> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[08:02] <Dull404> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[08:03] <decklin> calamari: no idea. standard procedure is (from /usr/src/modules/shfs-whatever) fakeroot debian/rules binary
[08:03] <calamari> decklin: so I type simply "fakeroot"
[08:04] <crimsun> Dull404: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[08:04] <decklin> fakeroot debian/rules binary
[08:04] <decklin> again, i really have no idea, that's just the *usual* way
[08:04] <decklin> keep looking for docs.
[08:05] <calamari> oic.. thanks..
[08:05] <Jimbob> NuuB: You can start/stop apache with /etc/init.d/apache2 {start,stop,restart,reload,force-reload}
[08:05] <calamari> if I type rules without being fakeroot it seems to do something!
[08:05] <Jimbob> NuuB: The executable itself is /usr/sbin/apache2, IIRC
[08:05] <decklin> calamari: yes, it will fail eventually though. fakeroot *is* necessary.
[08:06] <Jimbob> NuuB: There's never been an httpd on debian systems as far as I know (certainly not in my usage)
[08:06] <Dull404> crimsun: thanks, i hope this will work.. otherwise i dont know whats wrong....
[08:07] <calamari> decklin: aha.. got it.  what do I do after running debian/rules ?
[08:07] <decklin> if it successfully created ../shfs-*.deb, dpkg -i it
[08:07] <fsc> ok, hoary migration complete after only about an hour or so of downloading and reverting back to ndiswrapper-1.10
[08:07] <fsc> well, except for xorg
[08:07] <tweek_> hello o.0
[08:08] <marcm> night all
[08:08] <stuNNed> night
[08:08] <tweek_> when i try ./configure it tells me to downgrade/upgrade,... i dont know how
[08:09] <fsc> lunitik, so it wasn't too bad except for the ndiswrapper problem.  i guess you have to do something else to upgrade to xorg
[08:09] <decklin> tweek_: when you ./configure what? give us the exact error please.
[08:09] <tweek_> want me pm you the error its big
[08:09] <calamari> decklin: this is the output of debian/rules: I've been configured using: - Kernel source of /usr/src/linux - Kernel version of 2.6.8.1 - Kernel revision of unknown - C compiler of gcc - Make options of - Version is 0.35-1 - Cosmetic version is 0.35-1 - Maintainer is calamari@localhost.localdomain - Package name is shfs-module-2.6.8.1 - Target directory is /usr/src/modules/shfs/..
[08:09] <decklin> tweek_: #flood
[08:09] <Dull404> crimsun :: thank u! it worked!
[08:09] <tweek_> k
[08:10] <decklin> calamari: looks fine so far
[08:10] <calamari> decklin: Idon't see any deb files tho
[08:10] <NuuB> decklin & Jimbob: "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start" did nothing - i did "less /etc/init.d/apache2" and it said that it basically runs apache2ctl - but /usr/sbin/apache2ctl points httpd to /usr/sbin/apache2 which is not there
[08:11] <decklin> calamari: paste the rest of it in #flood
[08:11] <xskoulax> little off topic but, which would be better 2x512mb ram or a single 1gb stick? for an amd64 system i'm planning to build?
[08:11] <Jimbob> NuuB: Do a "ps ax | grep apache", and see if it's actually running.
[08:11] <calamari> decklin: that was the complete output :)
[08:12] <fsc> xskoulax, definitely 1 gig stick.  i have a gig now and if i want another i have to buy two gig sticks now
[08:12] <NuuB> Jimbob: nothing
[08:12] <fsc> xskoulax, but that's just on my laptop, so your mileage may vary since i only have two slots i believe
[08:12] <Jimbob> NuuB: The other thing to ensure is that you've got these packages installed: apache2-common, apache2-mpm-prefork, and apache2-utils installed
[08:12] <xskoulax> i should have 4 slots
[08:13] <fsc> xskoulax, you probably do
[08:13] <daniels> 33
[08:13] <fsc> xskoulax, of course if you ever want more than 2 gig then you might have a problem if you go with the 2x512
[08:13] <xskoulax> yea i'd thought of that
[08:13] <NuuB> Jimbob: i recall installing apache2-common, not sure about the other 2 - is there a way to check?
[08:13] <xskoulax> but i don't see me needing more than 2gb
[08:14] <fsc> heh, it's amd64...you never know :)
[08:14] <xskoulax> and if i go i can always replace 2x512 with 2x2gb to wind up with 3gb
[08:14] <Jimbob> NuuB: "apt-get install apache2-common apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils"
[08:14] <xskoulax> umm 2x1gb even
[08:14] <Jimbob> NuuB: Or "apt-cache showpkg <pkgname>"
[08:14] <Archon> does 'df' display the swap partition
[08:14] <xskoulax> yea i think i'll go with the 512mb sticks at least then i should be good on pairings
[08:15] <stuNNed> anyone else have their internet connect slow to a crawl with ubuntu hoary?
[08:15] <crimsun> works fine here.
[08:15] <decklin> calamari: do you have module-assistant installed?
[08:15] <Jimbob> NuuB: At the the top of the apt-cache output there should be a version number followed by a "(some_long_uri_like_filename)(/var/lib/dpkg/status)"
[08:15] <decklin> i notice the shfs .deb mentions that.
[08:15] <stuNNed> crimsun: thanks
[08:15] <Jimbob> NuuB: If the "(/var/lib/dpkg/status)" part isn't there, then it isn't installed
[08:16] <calamari> decklin: checking... yes
[08:16] <Jimbob> Alternatively, you could just open the "Package Manager", click the "search" button in the toobar, enter "apache2" --> anything with a green box next to it is installed.
[08:16] <linusthepenguin> Anyone know how to enable php4? I got the packages installed... any configuration I have to do in apache2.conf or otherwise?
[08:16] <Dull404> mark for removal & complete removal.... in synaptic, whats the difference?
[08:17] <crimsun> Dull404: remove versus --purge remove
[08:17] <decklin> Dull404: the latter purges your configuration files.
[08:17] <Jimbob> linusthepenguin: mod_php or php-cgi?
[08:18] <Dull404> crimsun ah so config will be left with removal and not "complete removal"
[08:18] <Dull404> decklin thanks
[08:20] <calamari> decklin: module-assistant was able to do it! :)
[08:20] <calamari> decklin: very cool program... thanks for mentioning it
[08:20] <decklin> great
[08:21] <linux-rulz> Is there anyone else here that compiled XFCE 4.2 on Ubuntu?
[08:21] <crimsun> linux-rulz: yes.
[08:21] <Orcrist> I have
[08:21] <linux-rulz> crimsun: did you notice that if you put the optimization settings on (i used the graphical installer) that XFCE was very unstable
[08:21] <linux-rulz> ?
[08:22] <crimsun> linux-rulz: no, I've been cleaning up the debianized source
[08:22] <linusthepenguin> Jimbob, general php... I suspect mod_php... Trying to run wordpress...
[08:22] <Orcrist> mine didn't seem unstable, and I used optimizations for both the main package and the add-ons one
[08:22] <linux-rulz> hmmm...weird
[08:22] <Orcrist> I've got it installed on the box next to me in fact... using it for a project I'm working on
[08:23] <linux-rulz> parts of my desktop wouldnt load, a bunch of other crap was broken, so I created a new user, same thing happened, so i compiled it without optimizations and it seemed to work better
[08:23] <fsc> jdub, thanks for the heads up on evince.  it seems to render better than gpdf...it better since i just upgraded to Hoary for it :)
[08:23] <NuuB> Jimbob: ok, apache2-common is installed, apache2-mpm-prefork nothing came up under versions, and it was unable to locate apache2-utils
[08:23] <Orcrist> what parts/problems did you have?
[08:23] <Orcrist> did you install the GTK engine as well or just the basic package?
[08:23] <fsc> anybody notice that About Ubuntu in the Desktop menu doesn't work
[08:24] <mindphasr> fsc: Works fine for me
[08:24] <fsc> mindphasr, About Gnome works for me
[08:24] <linux-rulz> Orcrist: I installed the packages in the order in which they said to. First the main XFCE package, then the gtk engine package, then xfce-toys and then the terminal emulator....all compiled from source
[08:24] <mindphasr> fsc: Its a link, it opens up your default browser
[08:25] <Orcrist> speaking of pdf reading... I downloaded some pdf tax forms with gpdf... and while the forms were designed to let you fill them out locally and print them... gpdf seems to lack this function
[08:25] <Orcrist> worked fine on a windows box using adobe reader
[08:25] <Jimbob> NuuB: Ok, run "apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork" to install that (that package provides the actual apache2 executable).
[08:25] <Orcrist> do you have to enable that or is it just a caveat of gpdf?
[08:25] <fsc> mindphasr, why wouldn't it do what About Gnome does? it doesn't open a browser
[08:25] <linux-rulz> Orcrist: you have to download acrobat reader for Linux from Adobe's website
[08:25] <mindphasr> fsc: Go ahead and write a about window if you like
[08:25] <fsc> Orcrist, I just installed Hoary just so I could use evince
[08:25] <Orcrist> linux-rulz, right:  you must have used the tutorial for ubuntu
[08:25] <Jimbob> linusthepenguin: To ensure you're using mod_php, you need to install libapache2-mod-php4
[08:25] <mindphasr> fsc: It does open a browser. It's a link to file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html\
[08:25] <mindphasr> fsc: It does open a browser. It's a link to file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
[08:26] <fsc> mindphasr, ok, you're right
[08:26] <fsc> mindphasr, my bad.  i thought it would do what About Gnome does
[08:26] <Jimbob> linusthepenguin: It should put "php4.conf" and "php4.load" symlinks in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/
[08:26] <Orcrist> fsc, does evince let you do that kind of thing? it really made me mad that I had to print them and then fill them in by hand, when the whole reason I d/l the pdf was to have clean forms that were typed in
[08:26] <linux-rulz> Orcrist: no, i just went to xfce.org, clicked on graphical installers and it sent me to another site and then it said there what order to do them in
[08:26] <fsc> hah, i didn't even see it open
[08:26] <Jimbob> linusthepenguin: Then it's just a matter of restarting apache2.
[08:27] <fsc> Orcrist,  the evince guys seem to be on the ball as gpdf development stagnated so you might want to give it a try.  it's like 500k download if you're on Hoary
[08:27] <Orcrist> well, linux-rulz, if you did it that way there shouldn't be a whole lot of difference... the ubuntu tutorial basically tells you the same thing as the xfce one does but it's a little more intuitive
[08:27] <Jimbob> linusthepenguin: For php-cgi, you need to ensure cgi.load/conf symlinks exist in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled.
[08:27] <Orcrist> fsc, not on hoary yet... just going to wait until april to upgrade
[08:27] <Jimbob> linusthepenguin: I'd recommend mod_php, personally.
[08:27] <Orcrist> but when I go there I'll give it a look
[08:27] <Orcrist> sounds nice
[08:27] <Jimbob> linusthepenguin: It's faster than php-cgi.
[08:28] <linux-rulz> hmmmm....oh well, i was more curious than anything, XFCE seems to be running fine without the optimizations, and i obviously dont notice a speed difference because i have never used it with the optimizations.
[08:29] <Orcrist> linux-rulz, on decent hardware you probably won't notice anything... I used a p2 350 box for xfce and it made a significant difference
[08:29] <Orcrist> if you've got a fairly modern system, you're probably just fine without the tweaks
[08:29] <linux-rulz> AMD Athlon XP 2200+ with 512 MB RAM, so it is fairly good, albeit a bit dated
[08:29] <Orcrist> I like xfce though... nice and clean... very light
[08:30] <Orcrist> the interfaces are less than intuitive for some things... but I've yet to find an interface from windows to gnome to kde to fluxbox to whatever that has everything down pat... interfaces are a matter of personal preference
[08:31] <linux-rulz> Orcrist: exactly, i like the way it autohides the taskbars...it just seems cleaner than the windows, kde and gnome ways of doing it. There probably isnt much difference. probably just my imagination
[08:31] <Orcrist> linux-rulz, you can also use cool things like gdesklets on xfce... it's compliant
[08:32] <FLeiXiuS> Orcrist: you can use gdesklets also on gnome ;-)
[08:32] <Orcrist> so you can get a little eye candy and a slick environment and still save the overhead
[08:32] <Orcrist> aye FLeiXiuS, and I do
[08:32] <Orcrist> I was just happy to find they played nicely with xfce as well :)
[08:32] <linux-rulz> is that what they mean when they say it complies witht he freedesktop.org specs?
[08:33] <Orcrist> because the box I run it on (mostly as a backup box for when I'm in full-screen game mode and want chat/teamspeak/wahtever) only has 128 megs of RAM
[08:33] <Orcrist> with xfce running and mozilla, xchat, and teamspeak running the total commit for memory was around 70 megs
[08:33] <Orcrist> and used next to zero swap
[08:33] <linux-rulz> Ubuntu should offer a trimmed down version of Ubuntu with XFCE called "Ubuntu Lite" or something like that for people with slower computers
[08:34] <NuuB> Jimbob: it came back with "Package apache2-mpm-prefork is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[08:34] <Orcrist> linux-rulz, you may see ubuntu offer something like that in the future... they try to focus on ergonomics and user-friendliness
[08:34] <FLeiXiuS> Have you seen the slackware install /
[08:34] <FLeiXiuS> I love the install for slackware, one of the bests out there
[08:34] <Orcrist> I wouldn't be suprised to see an installer with options for one of 3 or 4 window managers as default in the future.. but right now they're focusing all their support on gnome
[08:35] <jdub> Orcrist: that won't happen
[08:35] <jdub> however
[08:35] <FLeiXiuS> Not only was it nice, but it alowed you to select between 7-8 window managers
[08:35] <jdub> kubuntu is coming
[08:35] <Orcrist> oh really, jdub?
[08:35] <Orcrist> that's very cool
[08:35] <jdub> FLeiXiuS: that certainly won't be happening in ubuntu
[08:35] <Orcrist> I figured you guys were getting around to adding other things
[08:35] <farruinn> haha, which is the polar opposite of xfce ;-)
[08:36] <jdub> i think xfce sits between gnome and kde
[08:36] <linux-rulz> i dont understand why they focus so heavily on kde. most distros are already centered around kde, the ubuntu devs should instead release the XFCE Ubuntu or some other lightweight WM/DE.
[08:36] <jdub> it's light, sure, but there's a heck of a lot of clicky-clicky stuff on the screen
[08:36] <FLeiXiuS> i think flux sits between them 2
[08:36] <Orcrist> I'd be inclined to agree to that, jdub, esp considering their "kde/gnome support engines"
[08:37] <membreya> gaaaah
[08:37] <Jimbob> Nuub: You're using warty?
[08:37] <daniels> FLeiXiuS: allowing you to choose between window managers is fantastic, and we should certainly encourage it.  *making* you choose between window managers is a showstopper bug, not a feature.
[08:37] <jdub> linux-rulz: 'the ubuntu devs should...'? what are you going to do?
[08:37] <membreya> can I do ONE install without something screwing up
[08:37] <NuuB> Jimbob: yes, warty
[08:38] <FLeiXiuS> daniels: I concur
[08:38] <Orcrist> you have a point daniels, but I think as an 'expert-only' option or something you get the flexibility withotu forcing the user to choose if they want a simple, intuitive install
[08:38] <farruinn> you're going to fit multiple window managers on one install cd? good luck
[08:38] <linux-rulz> lol, donate money...cause i couldnt code if my life depended on it. all my code would be rewritten cause i would do it shitty (lol, at least im honest)
[08:38] <Jimbob> Nuub: Umm, it's in the "main" repo, it should be available.
[08:38] <FLeiXiuS> farruinn: It's definately possibly
[08:39] <Orcrist> of course, you could go the windows route and have the user choose between crappy XP interface number one or... oh wow, crappy XP interface number one
[08:39] <Jimbob> NuuB: Search for a line in /etc/apt/sources.list that looks something like "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main..."
[08:39] <membreya> anyone had any trouble installing nvidia-glx?
[08:40] <membreya> getting a clash with  xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:40] <linux-rulz> jdub: by should i also meant "In my opinion it would be smarter to do such and such" not "this is what i demand of them right now!"
[08:40] <NuuB> Jimbob: if things were going that smoothly for me, i may not have had to resort to asking for help on IRC, ya know?
[08:40] <jdub> linux-rulz: mmm, but what are you going to do? :)
[08:40] <ubuntu_> how can i get KDE? sudo apt-get install kde says that kde does not exist
[08:41] <Orcrist> membreya, everything okay in your xorg config?
[08:41] <NuuB> Jimbob: searching...
[08:41] <linux-rulz> jdub: ummm...did you read my post further up? I said in plain english how i was going to contribute...you must have missed it
[08:41] <membreya> looks to be orcist..its still using the nv driver
[08:41] <jdub> ubuntu_: enable universe
[08:41] <membreya> its conflicting at libGL.so.1.xlibmesa
[08:42] <membreya> was just about to suggest repos jdub :P
[08:42] <randabis> you should sudo apt-get install kde-core not just kde
[08:42] <Orcrist> membreya, post your error messages in #flood... I had a similar problem when I switched cards last time
[08:42] <randabis> unless you want 50 billion lines of bloat
[08:43] <linux-rulz> jdub: hmmm...apparently with free software i no longer have the right to make a suggestion...those pro-proprietary people were right, open source steals your rights in unseen ways
[08:43] <membreya> done Orcrist :)
[08:43] <linux-rulz> :P
[08:43] <Orcrist> coo
[08:44] <NuuB> Jimbob: it is commented - i will uncomment it
[08:44] <membreya> any suggestions Orcrist ?
[08:44] <Jimbob> Nuub: Ok, after you do that run "apt-get update", then "apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork"
[08:44] <mebaran> I have an Alsa problem
[08:45] <NuuB> Jimbob: k
[08:45] <jdub> linux-rulz: better than suggestion, you can *contribute*
[08:46] <jdub> linux-rulz: that's hundreds of times more powerful
[08:46] <Orcrist> well... this isn't quite like the problem I had... but you could try renaming the fglrx mesa lib to fglrx.libmesa.foo.old or whatever
[08:46] <maximaus> good morning from Sweden. :D
[08:46] <Orcrist> and see if that clears it up
[08:46] <membreya> thought so ..didn't want to hurt my system AGAIN
[08:46] <mebaran> Anyone know how to clear the alsa mixer lock file and settings
[08:46] <membreya> god ...like 2 hours ago I overwrote my /etc/modules :|
[08:46] <ubuntu_> thanks jdub
[08:47] <ubuntu_> now to remove gnome...
[08:47] <Orcrist> the restricted modules don't like to play together very nicely... I had the reverse of your problem.. i had to hide some of my nvidia stuff to keep fglrx from finding conflicts
[08:47] <maximaus> I'm running the Ubuntu live CD in the Eggers Hotel lobby and no one's the wiser.
[08:47] <IRCMonkey_> Can anyone help me in setting up the sound card? ac '97 on via  vt 8235
[08:47] <linux-rulz> jesus bloody christ, i said in plain friggin english, me donating money would be a lot friggin easier and more resourceful then actually contributing cause i cant code worth shit....would me donating my house and car make you happy?
[08:47] <mebaran> Anybody want to help troubleshoot a weird alsa mixer problem
[08:47] <Orcrist> in fact, something was loading my nvidia modules before it ever got to fglrx... and that was zero fun
[08:48] <jdub> linux-rulz: no, donating is less effective. you know that i don't code, right? :-)
[08:49] <Orcrist> linux-rulz, contributing can be something as small as accurately documenting a bug when you find it and submitting it to a respective package/distro's bugzilla
[08:49] <daniels> linux-rulz: language, please
[08:49] <Orcrist> that kind of thing is invaluable
[08:49] <Orcrist> and doesn't take much effort even
[08:49] <maximaus> IRCMonkey_, I'm also having sound card issues with my cousin's computer. Away from it at the moment--what's a quick way to find out what model the sound card is?
[08:49] <mebaran> what module does it use
[08:49] <mebaran> maximaus
[08:49] <linux-rulz> well i do all that....i never said i didnt
[08:50] <membreya> going to go to a console....i cant get red of that error message
[08:50] <maximaus> mebaran, excuse me I'm at the hotel at the moment
[08:50] <Orcrist> then you're already contributing a little... so feel good about that
[08:50] <mebaran> oh
[08:50] <Orcrist> and send your donations to me instead :) i'm poor
[08:50] <maximaus> LOL so I'll log in late on his box. :P
[08:50] <mebaran> heheh
[08:50] <maximaus> running Ubuntu on the Hotel's puter :D
[08:50] <mebaran> to find out quickly you have to sort of be sneaky about it
[08:50] <mebaran> you could open the computer
[08:50] <maximaus> tell me more
[08:50] <mebaran> or
[08:50] <mebaran> you could just look at the gnome device manager
[08:51] <maximaus> I'm such a knucklehead--where do you find it in the device manager?
[08:51] <Orcrist> maxiamaus... you could also shell into the computer and type lspci or lsmod to find out the info/module on it
[08:53] <maximaus> Orcrist, thanks! It's probably an on-board, so I guess lspci wouldn't help. I'll try lsmod and report back with ya'll.
[08:54] <dud> or lshw just to be sure to catch it no matter what
[08:54] <Orcrist> lspci might still do it maximaus, as many on-board soundboards are still integrated into the pci bus
[08:54] <mebaran> on board sound
[08:54] <daniels> Orcrist: er, you do know ubuntu has a 'custom' option (now named 'server' for hoary) that allows you to totally customise your install in terms of which packages you use, right?
[08:54] <maximaus> gotcha :D
[08:54] <mebaran> is 99/100 oing to be AC 97 sound
[08:54] <mebaran> if it is not some exotic mother board
[08:54] <mebaran> it is going to be ac 97 sound
[08:55] <mebaran> or at least ac 97 sound will work
[08:55] <Orcrist> daniels, yes.. I've installed it that way recently in fact... gave me a really tiny base install that I used to build a custom setup
[08:55] <dud> yeah... absolutely...
[08:55] <maximaus> I'm on vacatin and don't have my little cheat sheet with me for shell commands. :P Thanks all.
[08:55] <mebaran> anyone know what could be wrong with my set up
[08:55] <mebaran> I have an emu10k1 card
[08:55] <mebaran> Audigy 2
[08:55] <mebaran> the mixer looks fine
[08:55] <tweek_> :)
[08:55] <tweek_> i learned howto compile
[08:55] <daniels> Orcrist: ahr, cool
[08:56] <daniels> Orcrist: well, if that's what you enjoy, then more power to you, but i don't want to have to pick up the phone and explain to my mum what a window manager is when she's installing ubuntu :)
[08:56] <IRCMonkey_> Help me please!!!! i want to configure my sound card. ac '97 oni vt 8235
[08:56] <tweek_> should work by default
[08:56] <tweek_> i beleive
[08:57] <dud> one exlamation point will suffice....
[08:57] <daniels> IRCMonkey_: should just work by default -- mine (also vt8235) certainly did
[08:57] <tweek_> and one period.
[08:57] <Orcrist> lol not suggesting that :)  I was suggesting that the default install could do just waht the default install does now... but another 'custom' option would allow you to select something like fce-only.. without having apt-get the stuff
[08:57] <tweek_> ;P
[08:57] <IRCMonkey_> mine is not working....
[08:57] <dud> touch
[08:57] <tweek_> lol
[08:57] <Orcrist> the warty custom option gave me a base system... but unless you know what you're doing from there you're kind of stuck in a few ways
[08:57] <tweek_> if warty was a women =\
[08:57] <tweek_> watch out
[08:57] <daniels> Orcrist: mmm, interesting, but if you know enough to be picking which window manager you want to install and that you absolutely don't want to install gnome, you probably know how to install from a base system
[08:58] <ubuntu_> how do I get rid of all traces of gnome?
[08:58] <tweek_> why :(
[08:58] <maximaus> use Xandros...
[08:58] <tweek_> killing gnomes isnt nice
[08:58] <Orcrist> good point... but some people have the knowledge and still don't want the hassle... however... to your point that also kind of negates the need for such a thing on an installer
[08:59] <ubuntu_> would deleting gnome affect my system as a whole
[08:59] <ubuntu_> or just gnome?
[08:59] <tweek_> yay! i compiled MPlayer!
[08:59] <tweek_> :)
[08:59] <mebaran> tweek
[08:59] <mebaran> you could have just pulled it off the repos
[08:59] <tweek_> it wasnt working
[09:00] <Orcrist> gmplayer doesn't work for me either from repos
[09:00] <Orcrist> I had to compile from source
[09:00] <Orcrist> and there doesn't seme to be a decent GTK frontend for it anywhere
[09:00] <Orcrist> Kplayer is super... but I dislike qt to the point of it giving me a headache
[09:00] <jdub> ubuntu_: wait for kubuntu CDs
[09:01] <tweek_> orc: gtk = gui?
[09:01] <daniels> pitti: good afternoon
[09:01] <Orcrist> tweek_, no... gtk is a gui framework... not a standalone gui
[09:01] <tweek_> k
[09:01] <pitti> Hi daniels
[09:02] <Orcrist> it's what controls the look, feel, and functionality of all your buttons/scrollbars/file menus/ whatever... you use all that to build a gui for a program
[09:02] <pitti> daniels: although it is Sunday morning here :-)
[09:02] <mebaran> hmmm
[09:02] <daniels> pitti: heh, close enough ;)
[09:02] <Orcrist> if a program runs from the command line and has no gui... you can create one from the gtk toolkit (which is what gnome is based on) and it's very nice and integrated
[09:03] <Orcrist> however, there doesn't seem to be a good gtk one for mplayer
[09:03] <Orcrist> inculding the one that comes with gmplayer
[09:03] <maximaus> Orcrist, I thought gmplayer was pretty nice last time I tried it--mind you that was a year ago on Fedora--what's the problem with the gui?
[09:04] <Orcrist> maximaus, really it's the options and the old generic flavor of it
[09:04] <Orcrist> the playlist support is really bad
[09:05] <Orcrist> and the the interface isn't slick like the rest of my GTK2 gnome desktop... it kind of reminds me of win95
[09:05] <oficina> moyogo: are you still around?
[09:05] <oficina> moyogo: or have you gone to sleep?
[09:05] <Orcrist> I think they focus more on the guts of it... and they do a damn fine job... esp with parts of it like mencoder
[09:06] <Orcrist> It'd be nice to see an open-source project just to beautify/functionize mplayer... and I may start one on my own (already talked to some friends about it) and for simplicity I'm learning how to use Glade2
[09:07] <Orcrist> all the effort in taht regard seems to be towards KDE
[09:08] <oficina> moyogo: ?
[09:08] <scorpix> when the next beta will release for Ubunut?
[09:08] <jdub> scorpix: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[09:08] <scorpix> jdub: th.x
[09:09] <mebaran> anybody here know how to troubleshoot an ALSA problem
[09:09] <Orcrist> man I need to get to bed... got to go do some taxes tomorrow
[09:09] <Orcrist> night all
[09:09] <mebaran> I checked the modules
[09:10] <oficina> Is there anybody with the approximate knowledge of moyogo or his hubris?
[09:11] <maximaus> Ocrist, yeah you're right about gmplayer not being slick--still beats stock mplayer. I'm satisfied with Totem for my modest needs.
[09:14] <h8crime> hello?
[09:14] <maximaus> lo
[09:14] <h8crime> sup
[09:15] <oficina> hello
[09:15] <h8crime> hey
[09:15] <h8crime> is this teh Free BSD channel?
[09:15] <mebaran> h8crime
[09:15] <h8crime> yes
[09:15] <h8crime> ?
[09:15] <mebaran> is ubuntu the same as FreeBSD
[09:16] <mebaran> just out of curiousity
[09:16] <h8crime> lol
[09:16] <h8crime> im just kidding
[09:16] <mebaran> I do not doubt your literacy
[09:16] <h8crime> im using hoary atm
[09:16] <mike_douglas> :p
[09:16] <mebaran> anybody want to fix my alsa
 is a n00b
[09:16] <h8crime> mike_douglas uses freeBSD
[09:16] <mebaran> I am willing to give you ssh access
[09:16] <mebaran> and root password for a minute
[09:17] <h8crime> whats alsa?
[09:18] <mebaran> Alsa makes soudn
[09:18] <deepsight> i think i fked my kernel
[09:18] <h8crime> sudo apt-get pr0n -i
[09:19] <h8crime> ok
[09:19] <h8crime> port 22 is open
[09:19] <deepsight> exit
[09:19] <deepsight> quir
[09:19] <deepsight> quit
[09:19] <h8crime> lmao
[09:19] <h8crime> n00b
[09:20] <mebaran> anybody want to fix some ALSA
[09:21] <h8crime> i am willing
[09:21] <mebaran> haha
[09:21] <mebaran> you didnt even know what alsa was
[09:21] <h8crime> i do now
[09:22] <h8crime> Alsa makes soudn
[09:22] <mebaran> sound
 Alsa makes soudn
[09:23] <mebaran> yeah
[09:23] <mebaran> I know
[09:29] <Mr_Smiley> Hi
[09:30] <Mr_Smiley> I'm having trouble with my cd drive it seems its not even being detected, there is no /dev/hdc
[09:30] <Mr_Smiley> does anyone know what I can do to get it working? :)
[09:33] <mebaran> hmmm
[09:33] <mebaran> that is a hard one
[09:33] <mebaran> is the module ide-cd loaded
[09:33] <Mr_Smiley> i'll take a look
[09:34] <oficina> .
[09:34] <Mr_Smiley> i don't think it was..
[09:34] <Mr_Smiley> i'd have to reboot for it to create the device wouldn't i?
[09:34] <mebaran> or go back to init one
[09:34] <Mr_Smiley> but i'd also have to make sure ide-cd is loaded
[09:34] <mebaran> easier to reboot
[09:34] <mebaran> as udev is run fairly early
[09:34] <Mr_Smiley> how do i do that
[09:34] <Mr_Smiley> :)
[09:34] <mebaran> jsut reboot
[09:35] <Mr_Smiley> yeah
[09:35] <Mr_Smiley> ok
[09:35] <Mr_Smiley> but shouldn't i make sure ide-cd gets loaded first?
[09:35] <Mr_Smiley> hmm
[09:36] <Mr_Smiley> i just want /dev/hdc! :)
[09:36] <Mr_Smiley> stupid thing
[09:37] <mebaran> nah
[09:37] <mebaran> the order wont matter
[09:37] <mebaran> udev is constantly one
[09:38] <Mr_Smiley> well ide-cd was already loaded..
[09:38] <Mr_Smiley> ah ok
[09:38] <Mr_Smiley> well
[09:38] <grahamoz> ney
[09:38] <Mr_Smiley> any ideas?
[09:38] <grahamoz> hey
[09:38] <grahamoz> is wireless network supported in ubuntu
[09:39] <Mr_Smiley> sure is i'm using it right now :)
[09:39] <Mr_Smiley> but it might depend on the network card you have
[09:39] <grahamoz> usb adapter
[09:39] <mebaran> what do you have in /dev
[09:39] <grahamoz> wg111
[09:39] <Mr_Smiley> you want everything?
[09:39] <grahamoz> what ?
[09:40] <Mr_Smiley> mebaran: in /dev it looks normal except it doesn't have hdc or hdd :)
[09:40] <mebaran> how many hdd's do you have
[09:40] <mebaran> do you hae anything called sda
[09:41] <Mr_Smiley> i just have one sata hdd
[09:41] <Mr_Smiley> yeah its sda
[09:41] <mebaran> then what is taking up the other spots
[09:41] <Mr_Smiley> my hdd is sda and my cdrom drives should be hdc and hdd
[09:41] <Mr_Smiley> but there is no hdc or hdd.. :/
[09:43] <mpq> what will play .m4a files?
[09:45] <mebaran> mpq
[09:45] <mebaran> if it aint windows
[09:45] <mebaran> mplayer will play it
[09:45] <mebaran> if it is
[09:45] <mebaran> it still might
[09:45] <mebaran> mplayer
[09:45] <mebaran> does everythign
[09:45] <mebaran> udner the sun
[09:45] <mpq> heh
[09:45] <Mr_Smiley> well dmesg | grep hdc shows nothing.. :/
[09:46] <mebaran> what does your dmesg say
[09:46] <pepsi> Mr_Smiley, warty or hoary?
[09:46] <Mr_Smiley> warty
[09:47] <Mr_Smiley> it just seems that its not creating the node hdc
[09:47] <pepsi> i had this problem after upgrading to hoary.. dmesg could tell me the make and model of my cdrom, but /dev/hdc wasnt there.. hal-device-manager saw something on the ide chain, but couldnt tell what it was
[09:47] <mebaran> heheh
[09:47] <mebaran> what does your bios report
[09:47] <pepsi> i gave up and reinstalled with the latest hoary iso
[09:47] <mebaran> sounds like a weird problem
[09:47] <mebaran> add sg
[09:47] <Mr_Smiley> yeah bios sees cdrom fine
[09:48] <mebaran> try adding sg
[09:48] <mebaran> to your modules
[09:48] <mebaran> that is genereally scsi emulation
[09:48] <Mr_Smiley> ok
[09:48] <mebaran> modprobe sg
[09:49] <mebaran> first
[09:49] <mebaran> just to see
[09:49] <mebaran> if it helps
[09:49] <mebaran> my alsa is going similarly
[09:50] <Mr_Smiley> lol
[09:50] <Mr_Smiley> well i've got nearly everything working except no cd drive :)
[09:52] <mpq> does mplayer support mp3pro?
[09:53] <Mr_Smiley> brb i'll try reboot
[09:53] <mebaran> mp3pro will paly
[09:54] <mebaran> I dont knwo if it takes adavantage
[09:54] <mpq> I just know that it sounds HORRIBLE without the codec
[09:55] <mebaran> well mplayer reads it
[09:55] <mebaran> xmms reads it
[09:55] <mebaran> from live365
[09:55] <mebaran> and sounds ok
[09:55] <mebaran> the 64 K streams
[09:55] <mpq> I guess...
[09:55] <mebaran> the low k ones sound pretty bad
[09:56] <mpq> I know
[09:56] <mpq> the one I'm talking about is 32k
[09:56] <mpq> and it sounds absolutely awful in anything other than winamp
[09:56] <mpq> mp3pro is stupid
[09:57] <mebaran> mp3pro is a hack
[09:57] <mebaran> a silly stupid
[09:57] <mebaran> hack
[09:58] <mpq> but it's not like I have a choice
[09:58] <mpq> they don't broadcast in any other format
[09:58] <mebaran> haha
[09:58] <mebaran> yeah
[09:58] <mebaran> I guess
[09:58] <mebaran> xmms
[09:58] <mebaran> did ok
[09:58] <mebaran> with
[09:58] <mebaran> with it
[09:58] <mpq> they have 32k mp3pro so they can brag about "cd-quality sound on dial-up"
[09:59] <mebaran> haha
[09:59] <mpq> as long as you're running winamp
[09:59] <mebaran> as if
[09:59] <mebaran> not even then
[09:59] <mebaran> with ogg
[09:59] <mebaran> which is better than mp3pro
[09:59] <mebaran> and free
[09:59] <mebaran> you arent going to pull that out of 32 K
[09:59] <mpq> a monkey is better than mp3pro
[09:59] <mebaran> you need at least 128 K
[09:59] <mebaran> to get anywhere near
[09:59] <mpq> and I'm not talking about .ape
[09:59] <mebaran> if you own some good speakers
[10:00] <mebaran> haha
[10:00] <mpq> who's idea was it to make a lousy format lousier?
[10:00] <mpq> *whose
[10:00] <viper12> I think 96k sounds pretty decent...listening to a streaming station right now with xine at 96k. (5.1 surround sound)............sounds pretty decent to me. ;)
[10:00] <mebaran> 96 K
[10:01] <mebaran> is pretty good
[10:01] <viper12> lol... hey there meb
[10:01] <mpq> mono or stereo?
[10:01] <pepsi> (_)_)
[10:01] <mebaran> ok
[10:01] <mebaran> anybody wwant to kix my alsa
[10:01] <viper12> stereo mpq
[10:01] <mebaran> hi Viper12
[10:02] <mpq> you must not be much of an audiophile
[10:02] <mpq> I can hear problems with 128k mp3
[10:02] <mpq> which is why I stopped encoding in mp3
[10:02] <viper12> mpq.........when I want audiophile.........I take disc out in the living room with 7.1 surround system.  I'm just saying that 96k is decent for casual listening. (unlike 32k.  snicker.)
[10:02] <Mr_Smiley> that worked..
[10:03] <mebaran> 96 K
[10:03] <mebaran> is damn good
[10:03] <mebaran> lame considers 128 K to be equal to CD
[10:03] <mpq> that's lame
[10:03] <mebaran> haha a pun
[10:03] <viper12> lol
[10:03] <mpq> it was asking for it
[10:03] <mebaran> mpq you are so ....  punful
[10:03] <viper12> groans......but lol
[10:04] <mpq> it wasn't great
[10:04] <mpq> you want good puns, you should read spider robinson
[10:04] <viper12> felt like an utter noob earlier.........was pissin' and moaning about performance issues with graphics............forgot I'd loaded 386 kernel to test some stuff....gads.
[10:07] <excession> hi
[10:08] <viper12> hola excess
[10:12] <viper12> got awful quiet again.
[10:30] <Neil3> morning all
[10:30] <MobyTurbo> morning
[10:31] <Neil3> :)
[10:31] <NuuB> i am doing some apt-get installs, and each time i try to visit a website it cant find the site, then once the download and install is complete i can get to the website fine. is there a way to still surf the web while an apt-get is running?
[10:32] <apokryphos> It's just choking up all your connection, I presume. No real way to limit the download limit of apt, as far as I know.
[10:32] <Neil3> apt-get is probably taking up your bandwidth
[10:33] <Neil3> i use traffic shaping on my router which does get around this pretty well
[10:33] <NuuB> yeah, that much i figured on - i was hoping there might be a way to leave at least a small hole so i can keep surfing in the meantime
[10:34] <NuuB> no router
[10:34] <Neil3> i'm not sure but you might be able to use a traffic shaping script on your machine
[10:34] <NuuB> just ubuntu and a 56k serial modem
[10:34] <Neil3> since my router runs linux
[10:35] <Neil3> its called wondershaper
[10:35] <Neil3> and you'd have to edit it for your connection speed and stuff
[10:35] <viper12> quick question.....surfin the ubuntu site......it seems everyone is using the sb brand sound cards.......anyone have the turtle beach products?  curious.
[10:35] <daniels> if anyone here is using a desktop with an integrated video chipset and also a pci/agp video card, please /msg me
[10:35] <Neil3> daniels, you should ask your question in the channel :)
[10:35] <NuuB> i'll do a search for it
[10:35] <NuuB> thanks
[10:36] <Neil3> np
[10:36] <tuppa_> gah
[10:36] <tuppa_> why oh why is fakeroot not doing what it suppose to do?
[10:36] <daniels> Neil3: need the output of lspci, lspci -nX, sudo ddcprobe, some probing as to which card the output of ddcprobe relates to, and some other stuff that I'm not sure about yet :)
[10:36] <viper12> I'm using an IBM e-server with integrated vid (turned off) and a nvidia fx5200 agp card.
[10:36] <Neil3> quite a lot of stuffage
[10:37] <daniels> Neil3: i'm aware of the staggering lameness of 'any1 know how configga x /msg me plz', but this is a little more complex, and will help with ubuntu development ;)
[10:37] <Tsjoklat> because you didn't ask it nicely tuppa? :P
[10:38] <tuppa> Tsjoklat: that's one possible solution
[10:38] <Neil3> its not lame at all mate
[10:39] <Neil3> from what i see of this channel, people are more friendly than some of the other places
[10:39] <Neil3> and the forum is really cool
[10:39] <Neil3> i dont see much flaming
[10:39] <Neil3> and bad attitude
[10:39] <Neil3> unlike some other places i could mention ;)
[10:40] <daniels> Neil3: the code of conduct does wonders, it seems
[10:40] <Neil3> aye
[10:40] <NuuB> Neil3: which version of wondershaper do you use? (1.0 or 1.1a)?
[10:40] <Neil3> i dont know haha it is included with ipcop
[10:40] <Neil3> i would guess its the latest
[10:40] <viper12> havta agree with you there neil3...an article online I was reading mentioned that ubuntu had some of the best online 'peeps'......and recommended the distro over a couple other becuase of it.
[10:41] <Neil3> but NuuB you can't go wrong with trying either as they are only scripts, just use another if the first doesnt work
[10:41] <Neil3> yeah i read that too
[10:41] <tha_gamemaster> does anyone know the module i have to load for a via-gigabit ethernet driver? It's a soyo dragon kt880 i believe the nic is VT6122
[10:41] <NuuB> Neil3: k, thanks
[10:49] <viper12> game master......not sure how much help this is.....here's the page with current wired network card support:
[10:49] <viper12> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWiredNetworkCards/view?searchterm=gigabit
[10:49] <viper12> I don't show it listed, but hey, was a quick search.
[10:51] <tha_gamemaster> thanks alot Viper12 ^_^
[10:51] <tha_gamemaster> I'll check it ou
[10:51] <tha_gamemaster> out*
[10:52] <viper12> I see that the via 6102 Rhine chipset is supported natively. (warty).
[10:53] <viper12> this page shows systems that are supported by ubuntu.....with various hardware chipsets and such listed:
[10:53] <viper12> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesDesktops/view?searchterm=gigabit
[10:54] <viper12> toward the bottom, an hp machine is running the via setup with that Rhine nic.
[10:55] <tha_gamemaster> cool, thanks Viper12, It turned out to be the via-veolcity driver, I'm using that in 2.6.8 and it's working, thanks SO much for your help ^_^
[10:55] <viper12> notta problem.........its what we're all here for. :)
[10:56] <tha_gamemaster> hehe, well don't go too far away, sound is next on mylist ;)
[10:57] <viper12> gawds.........seems like its on a lotta peeps lists.  lol.  I'm using sb live and alsa drivers.............no issues.  I'm thinking about building a box with a santa cruz card though....not seeing anything one way or another on that one.
[10:57] <TheMuso> viper12: I think a lot of the problems people have are with onboar dsound.
[10:58] <TheMuso> s/onboar/onboard
[10:58] <viper12> which is WHY its the first thing I kill in bios before even starting a build.  lol.  onboard usually means (excluding nics)..........twwwoouuubbblllee.
[10:59] <tha_gamemaster> yea I never had problems with alsa and sb live/audigy cards, only alsa and ac97/intel based onboard sound
[10:59] <TheMuso> A lot of shortcuts are taken when integrating onboard sound from what I can gather.
[11:00] <tha_gamemaster> brb
[11:00] <viper12> ac97 is squirrly at best. Sometimes it works with no hassle........others it blows up badly.........from reading the forums it makes no sense.
[11:01] <viper12> of course ac97 chipsets are all over the place.......almost like flavor of the month.
[11:07] <Zotnix> Blargh.
[11:08] <Tsjoklat> nobody to eliminate Zotnix?
[11:09] <Zotnix> Tried updating to blam-1.6.1 manually.
[11:09] <Zotnix> No work. So back to 1.4 for me
[11:09] <Tsjoklat> oh dear
[11:11] <Zotnix> Weird errors and not even google found anything.
[11:11] <Zotnix> So I'll use the blam package.
[11:11] <Zotnix> wait...
[11:11] <Zotnix> Ubuntu uses 1.6 now
[11:11] <Zotnix> Yay
[11:13] <Tsjoklat> why build it then
[11:15] <Zotnix> I thought hoary used 1.4 (which it did, for awhile) which uses a bad rendering engine that hangs on images. In 1.6 they switched to gtkmozembed which proved to be much faster.
[11:16] <Tsjoklat> should have checked first
[11:16] <Zotnix> So I was going to switch to 1.6 manually since I referred it.
[11:16] <Zotnix> I had checked a bit ago. Didn't realize it was updated now.
[11:17] <Tsjoklat> it updates every minute!
[11:18] <cyklus> im having problems with xmms
[11:19] <cyklus> it starts fine but when i try to play an mp3 it freezes
[11:19] <cyklus> however mpg123 can play an mp3 fine... anyone know what might be up?
[11:19] <Tsjoklat> it's somewhere on the wiki cyklus
[11:20] <hrdesalpes> please the QUOTAUSER="" in /etc/adduser.conf the number is a Mo number ?
[11:20] <cyklus> Tsjoklat: ok ill take a look thanks
[11:21] <Tsjoklat> cyklus, and perhaps you might want to check the forums or the guide (see topic)
[11:21] <binks> hlo peeps
[11:21] <binks> how do i chane the permissions of a dir to allow rw
[11:22] <Tsjoklat> sudo chmod 755
[11:22] <binks> trying to copy some t maps but dnt have permission o
[11:22] <Tsjoklat> oops
[11:23] <binks> et maps sorry to /usr/local/games/enemy-territory/etmain
[11:23] <binks> so i would sudo chmod 755 dirpath
[11:23] <viper12> cyklus......here's one of the best places to look for setting up the multimedia stuff:
[11:23] <viper12> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94
[11:24] <cyklus> Tsjoklat: i got it working thanks
[11:24] <cyklus> viper12: thanks!
[11:24] <Tsjoklat> cyklus, great :)
[11:24] <viper12> that thread has more good info in one place that most others. (not just xmms either).
[11:24] <viper12> and np cyk
[11:26] <viper12> astas.
[11:32] <skydoll> lu
[11:32] <skydoll> bonjour  tous
[11:38] <Adrenal> i just installed samba
[11:38] <Adrenal> how do i mount a folder so my windows machine can see and copy it through a lan?
[11:42] <desplesda> hi, i just upgraded to the latest hoary, and /dev/dsp's disappeared
[11:42] <desplesda> wait
[11:42] <desplesda> sorry, warty
[11:42] <desplesda> latest warty
[11:42] <Adrenal> press enter less
[11:43] <desplesda> apologies
[11:43] <ssamf> did the upgrade complete with no problems
[11:44] <desplesda> yes, there weren't any problems
[11:44] <ssamf> sometimes synaptic looks like its done when in fact it has had to stop
[11:44] <desplesda> hmm
[11:44] <desplesda> well, can i create the device node manually?
[11:44] <ssamf> i'd run it again just in case
[11:45] <desplesda> run which function?
[11:45] <desplesda> upgrade?
[11:45] <ssamf> run synaptic again
[11:45] <ssamf> yes
[11:45] <desplesda> i hit mark all upgrades, but apply didn't become accessible
[11:46] <ssamf> i think with udev you should not make your own device nodes
[11:46] <cyklus> what is the shortcut keys to jump between workspaces in gnome?
[11:46] <desplesda> i know
[11:46] <bob2> yup
[11:46] <lunitik> desplesda: probably means there are no upgrades...
[11:46] <desplesda> yeah
[11:46] <ssamf> cyklus ctrl alt left/right
[11:47] <NuuB> apt-get is stuck on an error --> "The following packages have unmet dependencies: samba: Depends: samba-common (= 3.0.7-1ubuntu6) but 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.3 is to be installed ... E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)." - i tried "apt-get -f install" but that failed to correct the problem. i am lost. can someone tell me how to resolve this?
[11:47] <cyklus> ssamf: thanks :)
[11:47] <ssamf> was anything you upgraded sound related?
[11:47] <desplesda> gstreamer
[11:48] <lunitik> NuuB: did you try what it says? "sudo apt-get -f install"
[11:48] <lunitik> NuuB: bah... I should read...
[11:49] <ssamf> can you revert gstreamer to the earlier version?
[11:49] <NuuB> luniktik: yes i did - lol no prob
[11:49] <lunitik> yeah... not much you can do enless you want to pull down the samba-common package from hoary?
[11:49] <desplesda> how do i do that?
[11:49] <lunitik> desplesda: I'm confused... what is your problem?
[11:50] <desplesda> i just upgraded to the latest warty, and /dev/dsp has disappeared
[11:50] <lunitik> desplesda: uhh... is the sound module loaded?
[11:50] <senectus_> how do you format a partition?
[11:50] <lunitik> lsmod | snd
[11:51] <lunitik> lsmod | grep snd
[11:51] <lunitik> blah... tired
[11:51] <lunitik> senectus: try sudo cfdisk
[11:51] <lunitik> fairly simple interface...
[11:51] <desplesda> the sound module's loaded
[11:52] <NuuB> lunitik: can i just remove it? i have other installs more pressing to finish (apache and such) - i was getting non-stop samba complaints and tried installing samba fresh to shut them up but now it refuses to perform any other installs untill this samba error is resolved :-Z
[11:52] <lunitik> desplesda: hmm... there are no instances of /dev/dsp?  (ie /dev/dsp0)
[11:52] <desplesda> none
[11:52] <desplesda> i hit /dev/d <TAB><TAB> and it gives me /dev/dvd
[11:52] <senectus_> lunitik, great, thanks
[11:53] <desplesda> bah, i've gotta go
[11:53] <lunitik> NuuB: its safe, sure... It'll remove ubuntu-desktop though, so you may want to think about that when you come to upgrade to hoary...
[11:53] <desplesda> thanks anyway
[11:54] <NuuB> lunitik: crap. i dont want the whole blasted desktop removed
[11:54] <lunitik> NuuB: nah... just the meta-package 'ubuntu-desktop' will be removed...
[11:55] <lunitik> NuuB: It may cause issues when you upgrade to hoary though...
[11:55] <NuuB> lunitik: i'm a novice, you say desktop, i hear whole-damn-GUI
[11:56] <lunitik> NuuB: I tried to make that distinction but putting it in quotes  :P
[11:57] <ssamf> it is just a meta package
[11:57] <Tsjoklat> he just horribly failed :)
[11:57] <lunitik> Tsjoklat: no one asked you, shush  :P
[11:57] <ssamf> it contains nothing but depends on everything you need for a desktop
[11:57] <NuuB> lol, "meta package" may have meaning to you, none to me unfortunately
[11:58] <ssamf> if you install ubuntu-desktop it will get all the other packages
[11:58] <ssamf> but uninstalling it does nothing
[11:58] <MobyTurbo> NuuB, one of the reasons why this meta-package is useful is that it will make an upgrade to Hoary do things like automatically pull in xorg.
[11:59] <MobyTurbo> right, uninstalling it deletes nothing.
[11:59] <MobyTurbo> I often delete it when I switch from totem-gstreamer to totem-xine
[11:59] <ssamf> you can for example uninstall xchat, because it is depended on by ubuntu-desktop, unless you remove ubuntu-desktop
[12:00] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: well, no... thats the responsibility of 'x-window-system-core'  :P
[12:00] <NuuB> MobyTurbo: xorg is one more thing with no meaning (not asking you to explain, just setting the bar lower so it is closer to my present level of knowledge)
[12:00] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, ah, another meta-package. :-)
[12:00] <lunitik> *nods*
[12:00] <ssamf> xorg is the replacement og xfree, which was the old graphics system
[12:01] <NuuB> ok, can i uninstall samba (with it uninstalling the desktop), and then reinstall the desktop meta package?
[12:02] <lunitik> NuuB: well... but it will reinstall samba-common when you do so...
[12:02] <MobyTurbo> NuuB, no, reinstalling the desktop meta package will automatically pull in Samba
[12:02] <ssamf> no, if you reinstall ubuntu-desktop, it will go "oh, you need samba for a complete desktop" and install it
[12:02] <NuuB> ssamf: ok, xorg eq newer xfree - that i get
[12:03] <ssamf> meta packages are good, because they let you install loads of stuff with one command
[12:04] <NuuB> i dont care right now if i have samba or not, i may care later, but right now i just want to finsh the installs i had been doing beforehand
[12:04] <ssamf> but if you dont need everything the want, then they are a bit of a pain
[12:04] <fiacca> ciao a tutti
[12:04] <Tsjoklat> bacamilli!
[12:04] <ssamf> so you install the meta package, then remove the meta package, and you have everything
[12:05] <ssamf> now you can remove stuff without restriction (well with less)
[12:06] <ssamf> but when it comes to upgrade to hoary, you will need to manually add ubuntu-desktop back, so that the new version will install new pieces of software
[12:06] <Cam-> ssamf?
[12:06] <ssamf> yes
[12:06] <Cam-> what was that about?
[12:07] <Cam-> sorry interested..
[12:08] <ssamf> about meta packages
[12:08] <ssamf> specifically the ubuntu-desktop one
[12:08] <NuuB> i just tried to do a remove and it is still frozen
[12:09] <lunitik> ssamf: apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop  <-- everything listed there is what it depends on... its the devels way of making sure everyones systems are fairly complete etc...
[12:10] <Cam-> yep
[12:10] <Cam-> sorry you just mentioned manual add of ubuntu-desktop back. im doing a dist-upgrade at the moment
[12:10] <ssamf> or in synaptic right click on it and go to properties
[12:10] <Cam-> so i was curious as to what you meant
[12:10] <Cam-> ;-)
[12:10] <lunitik> ssamf: usually, meta-packages are used at a lower level in Debian... example: 'gnome' 'gnome-core' and 'gnome-environment', 'x-window-system' and 'x-window-system-core'... 'kde-core' and 'kde... etc
[12:11] <lunitik> Cam-: yeah... you want ubuntu-desktop around to make sure you are getting everything from hoary...
[12:11] <Cam-> yep
[12:11] <Cam-> ive done a clean install of warty, and dist-upgrading at the moment to hoary
[12:11] <NuuB> is it possible there is something going on like a file lock that needs removing so i can continue doing my installs with apt-get?
[12:12] <lunitik> Cam-: for instance... a bittorrent client is new to hoary... you wouldn't get that... update-monitor and update-notification are more examples of changes you might miss...
[12:12] <lunitik> NuuB: it would tell you if there is..
[12:12] <Cam-> yer my meta packages are intact
[12:12] <lunitik> NuuB: if there is, make sure nothing like synaptic or apt-get etc are running.
[12:13] <NuuB> lunitik: i have no idea how to do that
[12:13] <lunitik> NuuB: ps -e is what I usually use... or ps aux..
[12:13] <lunitik> ps aux is messy though imo
[12:14] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, on SysV ps does "-ef" and on BSD it's "aux". There are advantages of the -ef display.
[12:15] <Stormie`> anone here ?
[12:15] <topyli> lunitik: depends on what info you need. like process owners
[12:15] <Stormie`> anyone here ?
[12:15] <mebaran> could anyone help me with an Alsa Problem
[12:15] <mebaran> ??????
[12:15] <NuuB> lunitik: synaptic: no and apt-get: no
[12:15] <Stormie`> anyone know , where to get usb modem software ?
[12:15] <lunitik> topyli: I can see that with 'ps -e' .... ? are root... others are me... not useful when more people are logged in I guess  :/
[12:17] <Stormie`> anyone know , where to get usb modem(Aztech) software ?
[12:17] <topyli> hm
[12:18] <lunitik> mebaran: perhaps if you ask the question?
[12:18] <mebaran> oh
[12:18] <mebaran> sorry
[12:18] <mebaran> I was trying my own little tricks
[12:18] <mebaran> no dice
[12:18] <topyli> Stormie`: do you know if people actually have that modem working with linux?
[12:18] <mebaran> I check all my mixer settings
[12:18] <mebaran> and my modul;es
[12:18] <NuuB> what is the prefered copy and paste website here?
[12:18] <mebaran> but ALSA makes no sound no where
[12:19] <topyli> NuuB: pastebin.com i guess. but you can use #flood just as well
[12:19] <Stormie`> topyli : i dunno ... just wanna asking ..
[12:20] <lunitik> mebaran: are you in 'sound' group?
[12:20] <topyli> Stormie`: try googling for the modem model and linux
[12:21] <mebaran> I am in the audio group
[12:21] <mebaran> do I ahve to join the sound group
[12:21] <mebaran> the dsp and the mixer
[12:21] <lunitik> mebaran: yeah... thats what I meant  :)
[12:21] <mebaran> register themselves as part of the sound group
[12:21] <lunitik> did I mention I'm tired?
[12:21] <Stormie`> topyli : owh , ok .. but i can detect the modem .. i just needed a software or program to work it
[12:22] <NuuB> ok, this is what i keep getting (minus the php tags the site inserted) http://pastebin.com/241330
[12:22] <lunitik> heh... tried 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' ?
[12:22] <Neil3> mebaran, try this in the terminal
[12:22] <lunitik> should sound like static
[12:22] <Neil3> killall esd
[12:22] <Hwolf> My rhytmbox suddenly can't find all my music. All the artists are still there tho.
[12:22] <Neil3> then try a program that uses alsa
[12:23] <topyli> Stormie`: if you're lucky you have all the drivers you need in the kernel. what you need to find out is which ones to load
[12:23] <mebaran> very very faint static
[12:23] <daniels> Keyb, screen on a remote host.  screen on a remote host, Keyb.
[12:23] <lunitik> Neil3: most apps in Ubuntu use esd... and you didn't even tell him to change media mechanism  :/
[12:23] <Neil3> esd sucks
[12:23] <Keyb> daniels: x doesn't work with screen, fix that, kthxbye
[12:23] <lunitik> Neil3: beats the heck out of raw alsa for most cards  :/
[12:23] <Neil3> yeah you have to run gstreamer-properties and set the stuff in there to alsa too
[12:24] <daniels> Keybuk: irssi(1)
[12:24] <Keybuk> daniels: irssi != x-chat
[12:24] <Neil3> it gave me latency issues with dvds and movies, the sound would lag behind the video by half a second or so
[12:24] <Stormie`> topyli : so any solution ... ?
[12:25] <mebaran> so any ideas
[12:25] <mebaran> ok dsp seems shot then
[12:26] <NuuB> btw, is cursing permitted in here? i'm holding back a salty sailor cause of this error
[12:26] <lunitik> NuuB: no fucking clue
[12:26] <topyli> Stormie`: search the web and you'll find out what modules people are using. or then you'll find it doesn't work for anyone. or you'll find workarounds and hacks to force it to work
[12:26] <Neil3> haha
[12:26] <NuuB> good
[12:26] <Neil3> NuuB, i think we have freedom of speech
[12:27] <topyli> yeah. "Longhorn!"
[12:27] <NuuB> maybe, but many irc channels are a far cry from a democracy
[12:27] <lunitik> NuuB: just don't get immature with it... else people will look down on it...
[12:27] <Stormie`> topyli : ubuntu has any hacks ?
[12:28] <lunitik> Stormie`: what do you mean 'hacks'?
[12:28] <topyli> Stormie`: just kernel modules. but some usb modems are windows only, so you have to convince the modem that's what you have :)
[12:28] <NuuB> lunitik: i just want to overcome this fucking error and get on with my life
[12:28] <Neil3> on a side note i've found gstreamer to work well using oss
[12:28] <lunitik> NuuB: just remove samba... then bring it back later...
[12:29] <Stormie`> topyli : owh ... ok, going to find out some hard problem going arround
[12:29] <NuuB> lunitik: i tried "sudo apt-get remove samba" and am STILL getting the error
[12:29] <Stormie`> lunitik : i don't mean anything ..
[12:30] <topyli> Stormie`: no, you may find something simple like "load modules foo, bar, and baz and it should work"
[12:31] <topyli> or you may find some really scary hacks, in which case you might as well enter the modem market
[12:31] <lunitik> NuuB: what did 'sudo apt-get -f install' say?
[12:32] <Stormie`> topyli : when i go to device manager, and i found my modem listed there
[12:32] <Stormie`> topyli : but i can't connect with tat
[12:32] <Stormie`> topyli : and my modem doesnt have any signal too
[12:33] <topyli> Stormie`: you need to load modules (drivers) for it. then you still need to setup networking to use it for the interface
[12:33] <Stormie`> topyli : just figuring tat , cd had a problem or anything , or i had did anything wrong
[12:33] <Stormie`> owh ok ..
[12:34] <Stormie`> topyli : so where to get the modules ( drivers
[12:34] <Stormie`> topyli : so where to get the modules ( drivers )
[12:34] <topyli> Stormie`: not difficult, when you know _which_ modules you need. this you need to find out by searching the web
[12:34] <NuuB> lunitik: it said this: http://pastebin.com/241336
[12:34] <Stormie`> topyli : i will be back later
[12:34] <Stormie`> going to eat
[12:36] <lunitik> NuuB: 'invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/K09samba' seems to be the error... check that out... ls -l and see where its pointing...
[12:36] <narkceh> hello, how mutch disc space requires ubunto to install? i have only 2gb hard disk
[12:36] <lunitik> also... try /etc/init.d/samba stop
[12:36] <lunitik> narkceh: minimum 1.7 gigs
[12:36] <narkceh> thanks
[12:36] <narkceh> so it might work, lol?
[12:36] <lunitik> eh... not really minimum I guess... but yeah...
[12:37] <NuuB> lunitik: where what is pointing?
[12:37] <lunitik> NuuB: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/K09samba
[12:37] <NuuB> ah, symlink DOH (sorry)
[12:39] <NuuB> lunitik: "/etc/rc2.d/K09samba -> /samba"
[12:39] <abelli>  checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes.
[12:39] <abelli>                    Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[12:39] <lunitik> NuuB: yeah... I think its supposed to go to /etc/init.d/samba ...
[12:39] <abelli> any idea?
[12:39] <NuuB> lunitik: whats supposed to go at the "..." ?
[12:39] <lunitik> abelli: xorg?
[12:40] <abelli> yeah
[12:40] <lunitik> NuuB: huh?
[12:40] <lunitik> abelli: yeah... you need compat libs... I forget which though  :/
[12:40] <lunitik> abelli: what are you compiling?
[12:41] <brain_> hi
[12:41] <lunitik> brain_: hi
[12:41] <brain_> is there a apt-get resu,e?
[12:41] <brain_> resume*
[12:41] <lunitik> brain_: no
[12:41] <lunitik> although it will automagically
[12:41] <brain_> lunitik, damn... im suffering in dialup
[12:42] <lunitik> it checks /var/cache/apt/archive/partial ...
[12:42] <brain_> i've been disconnected in 97%, so theres no possible way?
[12:42] <lunitik> brain_: I just said... it does it automatically.
[12:42] <brain_> lunitik, thanks!
[12:43] <brain_> so hows life here? i've been using ubuntu for 2days
[12:43] <lunitik> brain_: not bad... cool you chose Ubuntu though  :)
[12:43] <narkceh> i have only 2gb hard disk :(
[12:44] <narkceh> and im afraid that it wont work
[12:44] <brain_> lunitik, is the /var/cache/apt/archives is the deb packages downloaded by the apt-get ?
[12:44] <narkceh> im installing it all the time though and not had any problems yet
[12:44] <lunitik> brain_: yes
[12:45] <brain_> ok so i can use it for the other pc. alright thanks for the info lunitik
[12:45] <brain_> going for dinner.. brb.. thanks lunitik!
[12:45] <lunitik> brain_: may want to look into apt-proxy to do that.
[12:45] <brain_> ok, later dude. thanks going for dinner
[12:45] <NuuB> lunitik: what am i diong wrong here? "sudo ln -s /etc/rc2.d/K09samba /etc/init.d/samba"
[12:46] <narkceh> lunitik: so do you think that ubuntu wont work on 2gb hard disk?
[12:46] <lunitik> NuuB: source and destination is wrong way around... and the destination can't exist prior to command...
[12:47] <lunitik> (so remove it...)
[12:47] <acs> hello
[12:47] <lunitik> narkceh: you should be fine... although you won't have much room for other stuff...
[12:47] <narkceh> hehe
[12:48] <NuuB> lunitik: destination of /etc/init.d/samba cannot exist before hand?
[12:48] <lunitik> NuuB: no... K09samba can't exist
[12:49] <lunitik> NuuB: 'ln -s /etc/init.d/samba /etc/rc2.d/K09samba' after removing the latter...
[12:49] <NuuB> lunitik: it doesn't, i removed it already
[12:49] <narkceh> lunitik: so i will have like 1bit hard disk space left.
[12:50] <lunitik> narkceh: no... like 300 megs...
[12:50] <NuuB> lunitik: ok, that did it
[12:50] <narkceh> lunitik: yeah thanks :)
[12:50] <lunitik> NuuB: cool... now go see if apt stops bitching  :)   'sudo apt-get -f install' again
[12:52] <|ALLANON|> qustion: when i do ./configure
[12:52] <|ALLANON|> i have this error
[12:52] <|ALLANON|> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[12:52] <|ALLANON|> what i can do?
[12:52] <lunitik> |ALLANON|: hoary? you need the correct compat libs.
[12:52] <bob2> install build-essential and xlibs-dev
[12:52] <|ALLANON|> ye hoary
[12:52] <bob2> what are you building?
[12:52] <|ALLANON|> kmuddy
[12:53] <lunitik> bob2: ooo... morning  :)
[12:53] <|ALLANON|> i try
[12:53] <|ALLANON|> thanks
[12:53] <lunitik> uhh... or afternoon?  heh
[12:53] <|ALLANON|> i'll try :p
[12:53] <bob2> lunitik: bedtime.
[12:53] <NuuB> lunitik: i'm on it, i did the sudo apt-get -f install and its now doing an install (FINALLY!!) thank you
[12:53] <lunitik> NuuB: yay  :)
[12:54] <lunitik> NuuB: funny how apt tells you how to fix what is wrong usually   :)
[12:54] <Tomcat_> In the future maybe it can do that itself :P
[12:55] <NuuB> lunitik: yeah, helps when you *understand* what its trying to tell you too ;-P
[12:55] <lunitik> Tomcat_: would be cool... prod mdz about it  :P
[12:56] <lunitik> Tomcat_: although that would definatly have to be able to be turned off... would get much complaints otherwise  :)
[12:56] <lunitik> NuuB: true enough  :)
[12:56] <NuuB> scaper?
[12:56] <lunitik> Tomcat_: mdz = person who wrote apt  ;)
[12:57] <Tsjoklat> or tried at least
[12:58] <lunitik> Tsjoklat: what you mean 'tried'? heh... I think he did a good job  :P
[12:58] <Tsjoklat> lunitik if you say so :)
[12:58] <lunitik> Tsjoklat: name something better for the same task... and I'll give you a cookie  :P
[12:58] <Tsjoklat> oh I don't know
[12:58] <Tsjoklat> I am just a dumb blonde
[12:59] <Tsjoklat> female even
[12:59] <Tsjoklat> what can you expect
[12:59] <Seveas> how true....
[12:59] <Seveas> :p
[12:59] <lunitik> hah... *shuts up before getting hit*
[12:59] <Tsjoklat> hush Seveas... we are still talking rubber here
[12:59] <Seveas> rofl
[01:00] <Tsjoklat> Seveas just admits he likes women in latex
[01:00] <Seveas> big bad liar...
[01:00] <vixus> How do I exit the xserver?
[01:00] <Seveas> no latex ladies for me
[01:00] <Tsjoklat> Seveas.. women are always right..
[01:00] <lunitik> vixus: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:00] <vixus> CA-Backspace doesn't work.
[01:00] <vixus> thanks lunitik
[01:00] <Seveas> Tsjoklat, women THINK they are always right
[01:00] <vixus> then just /etc/init.d/gdm start, right?
[01:00] <Tsjoklat> Seveas they ALWAYS are
[01:00] <lunitik> Latex + paddle = fun
[01:00] <lunitik> vixus: yup  :)
[01:01] <vixus> Be right back
[01:01] <|ALLANON|> excuse me
[01:02] <|ALLANON|> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[01:02] <|ALLANON|> what can i do?
[01:02] <Seveas> |ALLANON|, install QT?
[01:02] <lunitik> |ALLANON|: install the libs from universe?
[01:02] <topyli> stuNNed_: the wajig wiki page is practically done: i already have an empty text file on the desktop ;)
[01:03] <NuuB> omg vintage bob villa on a&e lmao
[01:03] <|ALLANON|> i 've installed libqt3c102-mnt
[01:03] <lunitik> |ALLANON|: you need -dev...
[01:04] <|ALLANON|> ok, thanks
[01:04] <cyklus> i downloaded an compiled mplayer.. when i try to run it, it says that /dev/dsp is busy.. anyone know what might be wrong?
[01:04] <xskoulax> http://www.big-boys.com/articles/dudelipsync.html
[01:04] <xskoulax> good for a laugh
[01:06] <vixus> hey.
[01:06] <LucaBrasi> I just installed hoary4 and when it loads it doesn go straight into gnome like warty did .. what's the deal with that?
[01:06] <boris__> bye
[01:06] <vixus> Unfortunately, I couldn't install the NVIDIA drivers. I need the soruce and everything
[01:06] <vixus> kernel-source that is
[01:06] <lunitik> cyklus: in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf... set 'ao =' to 'esd' ...
[01:07] <cyklus> lunitik: esd is not a sound option i check -ao help
[01:07] <cyklus> lunitik: could it be how i compiled it?>
[01:07] <lunitik> cyklus: working here   :/
[01:07] <cyklus> lunitik: you compile mplayer yourself?
[01:08] <LucaBrasi> anyone?
[01:08] <xskoulax> sorry
[01:08] <lunitik> cyklus: nope... installed from multiverse  :/
[01:08] <cyklus> lunitik: ic
[01:08] <lunitik> LucaBrasi: apt-get install xorg-common xserver-xorg
[01:09] <vixus> so..
[01:09] <vixus> ill do that later
[01:09] <vixus> can anyone help me get bluez working?
[01:09] <LucaBrasi> lunitik errrrr .. wtf .. isn't xserver etc installed by default with hoary?
[01:10] <lunitik> cyklus: but you typed 'mplayer -vo help' and its not listed?
[01:10] <lunitik> cyklus: but you typed 'mplayer -ao help' and its not listed?
[01:10] <lunitik> blah
[01:10] <lunitik> bet you it is  :/
[01:11] <LucaBrasi> yo can someone explain whats going on ..why's hoary not booting into gnome by default?
[01:11] <NuuB> lunitik: since i ran the "sudo apt-get remove samba" command, do i need to reinstall the desktop? (i am trying to complete the samba install right now)
[01:11] <lunitik> LucaBrasi: should be... but sometimes isn't....
[01:11] <lunitik> NuuB: don't worry about that until you are about to install hoary...
[01:12] <LucaBrasi> should be but sometimes isn't  ???? wtf
[01:12] <lunitik> LucaBrasi: its more a first course of action though... did you do it?
[01:12] <LucaBrasi> dude I have to reboot to 'try it'
[01:12] <LucaBrasi> so I dont wanna reboot unless that's really it
[01:12] <lunitik> LucaBrasi: uhh... no you don't  :/
[01:12] <LucaBrasi> um i'm dual booting, yes I do
[01:12] <lunitik> LucaBrasi: ctrl alt f1 and log in   :/
[01:13] <lunitik> blah... then get on it  :)
[01:13] <LucaBrasi> but why???
[01:13] <lunitik> LucaBrasi: because thats probably the issue?
[01:13] <LucaBrasi> why would I need to install this shit separately .. I thought that's part of the basic install?
[01:13] <cyklus> lunitik: i needed another library when i compiled mplayer to enable esd... im recompiling now
[01:13] <lunitik> else 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'...
[01:13] <cyklus> lunitik: thank you :)
[01:14] <Tsjoklat> why would anyone want perfumed tampons
[01:14] <spiral> hi
[01:14] <LucaBrasi> ubuntu can kiss my ass
[01:14] <LucaBrasi> I'm installing suse
[01:14] <lunitik> Tsjoklat: wow... random  :)   haha... I think I get in trouble again for answering though?
[01:14] <LucaBrasi> what a joke of a distro if you have to install x separately
[01:14] <NuuB> lunitik: hmm, ok well i've stripped and reinstalled this system several times, and expect i shall again (and gone through several *nixes)
[01:15] <topyli> LucaBrasi: indeed. which distro is that?
[01:15] <lunitik> topyli: he is having x issues from warty to hoary... told him to make sure xserver-xorg and xorg-common are installed... he freaked  :/
[01:16] <Tsjoklat> no happy customer
[01:16] <topyli> lunitik: oh. well, suse it is then
[01:16] <vixus> I'm trying to add DVD support, but libdvdcss2 (as listed on ubnutuguide) doesn't exist.
[01:16] <lunitik> topyli: pretty much my thoughts exactly...  :)
[01:17] <cyklus> vixus: add this to apt sources "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main"
[01:17] <topyli> lunitik: no hoary there to lure newbies from the path
[01:17] <Tsjoklat> the path to darkness?
[01:18] <topyli> tha path to console :D
[01:18] <lunitik> topyli: there was an article about upgrading to hoary... I think thats the reason for a lot of these issues  :(
[01:18] <Tsjoklat> I am just trying to find the path in between menstrual pads here
[01:19] <lunitik> Tsjoklat: #1 reason I am happy to have a penis  :P
[01:19] <lunitik> well... maybe a close second? idk
[01:20] <Tsjoklat> dunno lunitik.. it tends to get in the ... way?
[01:20] <topyli> lunitik: doesn't save us from much :)
[01:20] <lunitik> Tsjoklat: nah... just train junior and its never an issue  :P
[01:21] <Tsjoklat> ah well.. not many trained juniors out there then :)
[01:21] <lunitik> guess not?  8)
[01:21] <vixus> cyklus: Installed! Any further configging I need to do?
[01:21] <Tsjoklat> we need to clone you lunitik
[01:21] <topyli> me and junior have been in training for years. we're pretty well tamed now
[01:21] <lunitik> Tsjoklat: no no... I'm already not unique enough  :(
[01:22] <cyklus> vixus: nope should work if you got a player, like mplayer or xine :P
[01:22] <lunitik> Every time I go out, I am told I remind someone of someone  :(
[01:22] <zzyber> im stuck. I get "could not initialize graphics system Make sure that your video card and driver are compatible with DirectDraw" when i try to run games from a windows emulator. I have xorg and ati fglrx driver
[01:23] <lunitik> zzyber: yeah... DirectDraw isn't implemented well in Wine...
[01:23] <NuuB> linitik & Tsjoklat: well there IS a song called "Detatchable Penis"
[01:23] <vixus> cyklus: Totem will do?
[01:23] <lunitik> zzyber: maybe try transgaming's cedega?
[01:23] <Tsjoklat> NuuB, sounds like something we need to get!
[01:23] <zzyber> lunitik, but i have tried cedega, crossover office and wine. Same on all
[01:23] <lunitik> NuuB: I'd lose him though... thats no good  :(
[01:23] <zzyber> lunitik, could it be my fglrx driver?
[01:24] <lunitik> zzyber: no idea... sorry
[01:24] <NuuB> lunitik, lol yeah, that happens to the guy in the song
[01:24] <lunitik> NuuB: that would just be scary  :(
[01:25] <NuuB> he finds it laying on a blanket being sold by a street vendor
[01:25] <cyklus> vixus: should
[01:25] <vixus> ok
[01:25] <NuuB> lunitik: maybe, but makes for a very funny song lol
[01:25] <vixus> cyklus: Got xine anyway
[01:25] <Tsjoklat> I love the rodeo song
[01:26] <lunitik> Tsjoklat: rodeo song? never heard of it
[01:27] <Tsjoklat> love it.. pretty blunt though
[01:27] <Tsjoklat> I doubt I can paste any of the lyrics in here :)
[01:27] <topyli> NuuB: that must be a primus song
[01:27] <Tsjoklat> it is not suitable for sensitive souls
[01:28] <vixus> cyklus: How do I update the app menu to show the new things I've installed (Xine etc)?
[01:28] <NuuB> topyli: no clue, trying to find it now (since i was reminded of it and mentioned it)
[01:28] <topyli> NuuB: i just found it and it's primus all right
[01:29] <topyli> it _could_ only possbly be primus or zappa really
[01:29] <NuuB> full mp3?
[01:30] <topyli> yeah, i've had it here for a good while
[01:31] <vixus> How do I update the app menu?
[01:31] <NuuB> topyli: if you say so, only people in the history of the world to pick up an instrument and blank song sheet who had a sense of humor ;-P
[01:32] <vixus> cyklus: "Totem doesn't have the necessary plugins."
[01:33] <Tsjoklat> lunitik, http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/gary_lee_and_the_showdown/the_rodeo_song.html
[01:33] <topyli> NuuB: don't forget modern talking! i'd say they must have some sense of humor. or irony at least :)
[01:33] <NuuB> too bad i opted for no sound board on this machine, i'll have to find i from my other sometime (my first search came up with squat)
[01:34] <topyli> vixus: not all apps put the icons there, you may have to add it yourself
[01:34] <vixus> ok, anyway, neither xine nor totem updated to accomodate libdvdcss2. Should I update?
[01:34] <vixus> *reboot
[01:34] <vixus> not update. XD
[01:35] <vixus> :|
[01:35] <topyli> vixus: see what you have in ~/.gnome2/totem-addons
[01:37] <vixus> Nothing at all.
[01:41] <snowblink> hi - can anyone see the new Star Wars trailer _with_ sound?
[01:42] <Hwolf> Is it me, or is gnome getting more sluggish by the minute?
[01:43] <vixus> topyli?
[01:44] <LM_ex> does it work?
[01:45] <El_Che> is there a way to edit the applications menu in hoary?
[01:51] <marcin_ant> hi I got a problem with dvd...
[01:51] <marcin_ant> could someone help me and tell how to use dvd device on /dev/hdb
[01:52] <marcin_ant> mounted as /dev/cdrom1
[01:52] <marcin_ant> how to use this device with mplayer?
[01:53] <marcin_ant> I have libdvdcss2 installed
[01:53] <NuuB> apt-get is saying: "0 upgraded, 7 newly installed, 0 to remove and 99 not upgraded." - is the 99 not upgraded suggesting that i take some action?
[01:53] <lunitik> NuuB: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:53] <lunitik> NuuB: going to hoary>
[01:53] <lunitik> ?*
[01:54] <topyli> El_Che: by right clicking the menu items themselves, or via nautilus (go to applications:/// )
[01:54] <lunitik> topyli: he said in hoary.
[01:54] <El_Che> topyli: works in warty like that, not in hoary
[01:54] <topyli> ah, sorry
[01:54] <NuuB> lunitik: no, dont want to go to hoary, want to stick with warty, as i understand it warty is still the release version
[01:55] <El_Che> probably temporarely disabled
[01:55] <topyli> or broken
[01:55] <lunitik> NuuB: yes... but thats a lot of packages that need to be upgraded... blah... dist-upgrade will fix issue
[01:55] <El_Che> topyli: some URIS work, applications: dont
[01:55] <lunitik> El_Che: nah... they are working on a different mechanism... but its taking a long time  :/
[01:56] <El_Che> ic
[01:56] <NuuB> lunitik: then the "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" is to perform an upgrade to hoary?
[01:56] <lunitik> NuuB: no...
[01:56] <ZolMed> has anyone managed to get CD printing working in Linux on a Canon i965, or any Canon printer for that matter?
[01:57] <lunitik> dist-upgrade just updates things that change something... ie different depends... different config layout etc...
[01:57] <lunitik> NuuB: same as Synaptic's 'smart' mechanism...
[01:57] <mz2> my cursor theme is all messed up after an update
[01:58] <lunitik> mz2: black now? white is coming back in a different package apparently...
[01:58] <mz2> oh i see
[01:58] <lunitik> another hoary user  :)
[01:59] <El_Che> mz2: try gcursor
[01:59] <El_Che> mz2: nice transparent cursor
[01:59] <NuuB> lunitik: again, "synaptic" is not familiar to me (remember, set the bar low for my present level of knowledge - the whole point of my getting ubuntu is to start learning this stuff)
[02:00] <mz2> i actually tried already
[02:00] <lunitik> NuuB: synaptic is the 'easy' way to use apt...
[02:00] <lunitik> NuuB: gui frontend... Computer > System Configuration > Synaptic Package Manager
[02:00] <El_Che> mz2: you selected an other cursor there?
[02:00] <NuuB> lunitik: if you say so lol
[02:01] <mz2> should it be updated on this same login time?
[02:01] <mz2> or another?
[02:01] <El_Che> an other
[02:01] <El_Che> log out, log in
[02:01] <mz2> got it :)
[02:02] <NuuB> lunitik: ah, well in that case, i'll stick with the cli - i need the gui, but only as much as to let me be functional while learning to do stuff in the cli
[02:02] <Xappe> i downloaded a new cursor theme and changed the x-cursor to that one...now I have a nice cursor even in gdm
[02:03] <El_Che> Xappe: gcursor has the only true transparent (semi otherwise useless) cursor i have ever seen :)
[02:03] <Xappe> lunitic, well it's all about beauty
[02:03] <ogra> El_Che: you mean the whiteglass cursor ?
[02:04] <lunitik> ogra: hey ogra  :)
[02:04] <ogra> El_Che: that one comes with X (was there since X 4.2 but hidden) gcursor only makes it visible to you ;)
[02:04] <ogra> lunitik: hi
[02:05] <El_Che> ogra: I see
[02:05] <lunitik> Xappe: seriously though... I usually look at where I'm clicking, not the cursor itself... I guess thats just me though?
[02:05] <El_Che> ogra: idd whiteglass
[02:05] <lunitik> idd?
[02:05] <ogra> mz2: if you want your old cursor back, install the jimmac cursor theme in gcursor and select it :)
[02:05] <El_Che> lunitik: InDeeD
[02:06] <Xappe> i installed jimmac systemwide instead...
[02:06] <Xappe> feels better somehow
[02:07] <narkceh> how to change mouse settings?
[02:08] <lunitik> narkceh: Computer > Preferences > Mouse
[02:08] <El_Che> any idea when the full gnome translation will enter the hoary packages? Most are finished upstream while the ones in ubuntu are frankenstein :)
[02:08] <Xappe> lunitik, well that wrist watch IS ugly, and i usually play around with the cursor while watching progress bars... :)
[02:08] <narkceh> lunitik: but in console?
[02:09] <lunitik> narkceh: little more complicated... whats wrong?
[02:10] <narkceh> the mouse wont work
[02:10] <lunitik> narkceh: umm... you booted into Linux right now?
[02:10] <narkceh> and i dont know how to change it with keyboard
[02:11] <narkceh> yes im in the grafical thing
[02:11] <fsc> anybody familiar with python and would know why i would get a ./setup.py
[02:11] <fsc> from: can't read /var/mail/distutils.core
[02:11] <fsc>  i installed python2.4-setuptools
[02:11] <lunitik> alt f1 > go to start terminal
[02:11] <lunitik> narkceh: ^
[02:11] <lunitik> narkceh: usb or ps mouse?
[02:11] <narkceh> its a old ps mouse
[02:12] <mz2> it still isn't what it's supposed to be
[02:12] <lunitik> narkceh: ok... lsmod | grep psmouse for me
[02:12] <lunitik> is it there?
[02:12] <mz2> it's this black ugly thing. and not even the default X11 black ugly thing :)
[02:12] <narkceh> how to get root?
[02:12] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, sudo -s
[02:12] <narkceh> thnaks
[02:12] <lunitik> narkceh: shouldn't need it for that
[02:12] <ogra> narkceh: no nee for root
[02:13] <ogra> s/nee/need/
[02:13] <narkceh> okey, ill try lsmod
[02:13] <lunitik> ogra: sudo is still root... :/
[02:13] <ogra> nah
[02:13] <lunitik> root permissions aren't root?
[02:13] <ogra> lunitik: sudo is uid 0
[02:14] <lunitik> sudo -l even brings roots stuff over  :/
[02:14] <ogra> lunitik: sudo logs everything you do ... for example....
[02:14] <lunitik> ogra: so does regular root... in .history  :/
[02:14] <ogra> lunitik: sudo offers you fine grained access rights to administrative tasks....
[02:14] <deepsight> hmmm im compiling my kernel and i get a vfs: unable to mount root fs on ...  do you know what is probably missing in my configuration? my machine is a compaq armada m700...
[02:15] <El_Che> if you like the good old debian's root: sudo passwd root
[02:15] <ogra> deepsight: why do you recompile `
[02:15] <narkceh> damn this takes 1000h because my 200mhz comp is slow
[02:16] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, you probably should really be using a different GUI than GNOME on a 200MHz computer.
[02:16] <deepsight> ogra, long story... trying to install vmware but it complained about the C headers so i downloaded them and then it told me that they were different from my current kernel, that i had to recompile
[02:16] <El_Che> narkceh: try xfce
[02:16] <deepsight> im just following Mr Vmware orders
[02:16] <vixus> Hello.
[02:16] <vixus> I want to network my Windows 98 PC to this Ubuntu box, for the sake of transferring my music.
[02:16] <vixus> Possible?
[02:16] <lunitik> vixus: yes
[02:17] <lunitik> vixus: look into samba
[02:17] <vixus> Ok.
[02:17] <vixus> By the way. The windows 98 pc is on the network wirelessly.
[02:17] <ogra> deepsight: there is a headers package for every ubuntu linux-image, you souldnt recompile the kernel just to get a vmware module
[02:17] <narkceh> MobyTurbo: yeah but how to change it?
[02:17] <vixus> Is that a problem lunitik?
[02:17] <lunitik> vixus: no
[02:17] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, install it using aptitude, apt-get, or synaptic, then hopefully you can run it from gdm.
[02:18] <deepsight> ogra, i know i downloaded the correct one i think but it still complained... dont have the exact error now
[02:18] <vixus> lunitik: Is there a guide on setting up? It's just, I've sucked at setting up Samba.
[02:18] <narkceh> apt-get install xfce?
[02:18] <NuuB> lunitik: what will happen when i do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ? (i am wondering if it will initiate some massive d/l over my lil'56k serial modem)
[02:18] <deepsight> can't i just get the default .config from somewhere?
[02:18] <deepsight> and compile with that?
[02:18] <ogra> deepsight: then you didnt download the correct ones
[02:18] <lunitik> vixus: there are many... I can answer some questions... but I'm not gonna tell you how to do it... would take too long
[02:18] <narkceh> MobyTurbo: apt-get install xfce?
[02:18] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, sure. Though if xfce is still to slow, try fluxbox.
[02:18] <ogra> deepsight: do you use the linux-source package for your kernel to compile ?
[02:19] <deepsight> yes
[02:19] <lunitik> NuuB: yes... those 99 packages held back will be downloaded and installed
[02:19] <vixus> Ok. Well, I'm following the samba server setup guide on ubuntuguide.org
[02:19] <ogra> deepsight: then you can use the config that is stored in /boot
[02:19] <lunitik> narkceh: no... apt-get install xfce4
[02:19] <mz2> the default cursor theme in gcursor just looks like that error image ("!")
[02:19] <vixus> lunitik: apt-get install samba/smbfs... done!
[02:19] <lunitik> narkceh: else you get xfce, which was ugly...
[02:19] <narkceh> MobyTurbo: but i need to delete gnome because of my low hard disk space. so i need to delete gnome first?
[02:19] <mz2> so what package do i need to install to get it back?
[02:19] <narkceh> lunitik: ok xfce4 then
[02:20] <narkceh> how to remove gnome?
[02:20] <NuuB> lunitik: any way to know ahead of time how big a download it will entail?
[02:20] <ogra> deepsight: with other sources you will miss a lot of ubuntu specific patches.... dunno if the ubuntu .config works then
[02:20] <deepsight> so i have several config-2.6.8.1-3-386 is the one that works right now
[02:20] <narkceh> apt-get remove gnome?
[02:20] <deepsight> ogra, so if im ok with this config i just recompile it with this one and it should work theoretically?
[02:21] <lunitik> xfce = ver. 3  .... the reason it stands for XForms Cool Environment ... XForms was an ugly toolkit though
[02:21] <ogra> deepsight: but there are a lot of people using vmware in ubuntu taht didnt recompile their kernel ;)
[02:21] <MobyTurbo> xfce uses gtk now
[02:21] <deepsight> ogra, damn those ppl
[02:21] <ogra> deepsight: if you give the right options to make-kpkg ....
[02:21] <vixus> lunitik: I think I've done the linux side of things, how do I do the Windows side?
[02:21] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: yes... but this is the reason there are still 2 packages... xfce = xforms ; xfce4 = gtk2
[02:22] <lunitik> vixus: just share stuff  :/
[02:22] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, OK
[02:22] <deepsight> ogra, i followed the Wiki tutorial in ubuntu webpage...
[02:22] <deepsight> ogra, but ill try again with the headers
[02:22] <vixus> lunitik: What do you mean just share stuff?
[02:22] <deepsight> let me give you the error
[02:22] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, I actually like lyx's xforms version more than their Qt version, but I agree with you about xfce v3
[02:22] <lunitik> vixus: right click 'share'
[02:23] <vixus> On windows or linux?
[02:23] <vixus> I want to make [windows]  stuff available to [linux] 
[02:23] <narkceh> lunitik: so i use: apt-get install xfce4?
[02:23] <vixus> yes narkcehg
[02:23] <lunitik> vixus: you asked how to configure the windows side... which do you think?
[02:23] <vixus> =D
[02:23] <vixus> Sorry.
[02:23] <lunitik> narkceh: yes
[02:23] <vixus> OK...
[02:23] <narkceh> ok thanks both
[02:24] <cyklus> can anyone paste me their totem config... totem keeps crashing when i try to run it becuase it cant find alsa.. i need to set it to esd.. but i hae no config file yet
[02:24] <cyklus> ?
[02:24] <deepsight> There is probably a slight difference in the kernel configuration between the
[02:24] <deepsight> set of C header files you specified and your running kernel.  You may want to
[02:24] <deepsight> rebuild a kernel based on that directory, or specify another directory.
[02:24] <narkceh> E: Cannot Find The pagage
[02:25] <vixus> lunitik: There is no option 'share'...
[02:25] <deepsight> Unable to make a vmmon module that can be loaded in the running kernel:
[02:25] <deepsight> insmod: error inserting '/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon.o': -1 Unknown symbol in module
[02:25] <narkceh> how to install xfce4 if i cant install it because it wont find it?
[02:25] <lunitik> narkceh: you need to enable universe
[02:25] <narkceh> and how to do that?
[02:26] <lunitik> narkceh: uncomment the line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:26] <lunitik> ie get rid of the #
[02:27] <thesilverhand> narkceh: or read howto install xfce4.2 on ubuntu forums to get latest version instead
[02:27] <cyklus> anyone know how to get totem to work on hoary?
[02:27] <narkceh> all the #?
[02:27] <lunitik> vixus: uhh... there should be... like 4th down... only entry in second section of the menu  (after first seperator do-hicky)
[02:28] <thesilverhand> narkceh: just lines beginning with deb or deb-src that state universe
[02:28] <lunitik> narkceh: no... just the one with 'universe' in the line
[02:28] <lunitik> narkceh: what thesilverhand said... cept you don't want deb-src prolly
[02:28] <lunitik> just makes it take longer to update  :/
[02:28] <ogra> deepsight: your linux-image and linux-headers package have matching version numbers ?
[02:28] <thesilverhand> true
[02:29] <narkceh> lunitik: ok
[02:29] <netmonk> greetings, ogra :)
[02:29] <ogra> hey netmonk
[02:29] <deepsight> ogra, yes... i think i found a wiki about vmware
[02:29] <deepsight> ogra, i tell you if it works
[02:30] <MobyTurbo> actually for Ubuntu adding deb-src is a one-time slowdown, since universe isn't being updated.
[02:30] <ogra> deepsight: you could update the information in the ubuntu wiki ;)
[02:30] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: s/ubuntu/warty and I will agree
[02:31] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, well, I wouldn't reccomend that a newbie run hoary quite yet.
[02:31] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: true... but else its a false statement  :/
[02:31] <lunitik> even though I make enough of my own  :o
[02:32] <deepsight> ogra, it didnt work, maybe because i have a mess mixing all the kernels... so now ho i uninstall the other kernels.. bahh i just RTFM
[02:32] <MobyTurbo> OK, a one-time increase in time for warty.
[02:33] <ogra> deepsight: just uninstall the packages you dont need ;)
[02:33] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: plus it still 'Hit''s :/   (ie, checks that nothing changed)
[02:34] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, the hits are very fast. I'm on a 56K modem and they last a fraction of a second.
[02:35] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: blah... why even have them if you don't intend to compile anything in the archive?
[02:35] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: most don't even use it anyways... they go get the tar.gz etc...
[02:36] <deepsight> ogra, yei, uninstalling 2 kernels now
[02:36] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, because if something is broken you might be able to fix it.
[02:36] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: a nebie?
[02:36] <lunitik> newbie*
[02:36] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, sometimes a fix might be a one-line change that could be communicated even to a newbie.
[02:37] <lunitik> Most have no idea about it...
[02:37] <deepsight> ogra, is you nick for female ogre in spanish?
[02:37] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, I never was of the opinion that one must dumb things down because of people who allegedly can't learn.
[02:38] <ogra> deepsight: nope, lol, its only an abbreviation of my name
[02:38] <deepsight> ogra, oh well it means that ;)
[02:38] <ogra> deepsight: Oliver Grawert ;)
[02:39] <deepsight> ogra, nice to meet you, Jose Garduno here
[02:39] <ogra> deepsight: hi :)
[02:39] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: eh... then uncomment when its needed?  (thats what I do) ... no point them being active... only actives I have are the main and resticted repos  :/
[02:39] <deepsight> ogra, so im going to reboot maybe some reboot magic helps
[02:39] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, your choice.
[02:39] <deepsight> the reboot fairy
[02:40] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: pretty logical too... why do I want everything coming down for an upgrade?
[02:40] <ogra> deepsight: kernel wise its not a fairy ;)
[02:40] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, I run Warty so that doesn't ever happen here.
[02:40] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, if it did it would take 10 minutes.
[02:40] <narkceh> how to start xfc4?
[02:41] <narkceh> i installed it
[02:41] <deepsight> ogra, dont ruin my fantasies... i just learned that santa claus doesnt exists
[02:41] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, log out, and select it from a menu in gdm.
[02:41] <ogra> lol
[02:41] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: blah... I never ran warty for more than a day after it was released   :/
[02:41] <deepsight> so i come
[02:41] <narkceh> MobyTurbo: ok, thanks
[02:41] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, running hoary with a 56K modem is impractical...
[02:42] <bdale> lunitik: define 'involved'?
[02:43] <lunitik> bdale: working on... seperate from Debian  ;)
[02:43] <lunitik> ps... holy shit, you talked  :P
[02:43] <bdale> lunitik: not really.  I'm running warty on one of my amd64 systems at home, that's mostly it
[02:44] <lunitik> bdale: cool  :)
[02:46] <El_Che> lunitik: you a bdale groupie? :)
[02:47] <topyli> bdale: well, this is the place to get help on your ubuntu problems ;)
[02:47] <rem_> hey all ..
[02:47] <lunitik> El_Che: hah... nah... just know he was a Debian Project Leader...
[02:47] <El_Che> :)
[02:47] <rem_> I try to mount a usb mem stick ...but cant find any sd* in /dev ..how should this be done in ubuntu ?
[02:48] <narkceh> how did you say that how to change mouse settings?
[02:48] <topyli> wajig should be promoted essential methinks :)
[02:49] <lunitik> narkceh: lsmod | grep psmouse  <-- shows up?
[02:49] <bdale> topyli: what problems?
[02:49] <narkceh> so i write lsmod to console?
[02:49] <topyli> bdale: just kidding. since you have a ubuntu box...
[02:49] <lunitik> narkceh: 'lsmod | grep psmouse' yes
[02:49] <narkceh> oh, ok thanks
[02:49] <rem_> anyone knows how to mount a usb mem stick ?
[02:50] <lunitik> narkceh: yeah... but we're not done... did it show up?
[02:50] <netmonk> rem_, it should be automatic in Ubuntu
[02:50] <narkceh> lunitikit says psmouse 17800 0
[02:50] <narkceh> * lunitik
[02:50] <rem_> well...its not in mine ... :(
[02:50] <netmonk> rem_, are you on warty or hoary?
[02:50] <narkceh> when i write lsmod | grep psmouse
[02:51] <rem_> warty
[02:51] <lunitik> narkceh: ok... cat /dev/input/mouse0  <-- do that, move mouse... ctrl c to stop it...
[02:51] <netmonk> hm...
[02:51] <rem_> shouldnt there be a /dev/sda1 like in debian or even mdk/rh ..=
[02:51] <rem_> ?
[02:51] <MobyTurbo> rem_, I think it's created on the fly
[02:51] <lunitik> narkceh: 'reset' if you get goofy charactors after...
[02:51] <rem_> tahts right ..
[02:52] <rem_> but it didnt with ubuntu .. ?:(
[02:52] <netmonk> rem_, when I was on warty I opened my usb flash on /dev/sda1
[02:52] <lunitik> narkceh: type it, don't do it...
[02:52] <rem_> ok thx
[02:52] <narkceh> "cat /dev/input/mouse0"?
[02:52] <lunitik> narkceh: yes
[02:52] <netmonk> rem_, but my wifes usb flash was always mounted on /dev/uba or something like this
[02:53] <rem_> didnt find any uba..or like it ..
[02:53] <lunitik> Then move the mouse... should get output on the screen... telling you it is actually working
[02:53] <narkceh> lut says that file doesnt exitst
[02:53] <netmonk> rem_, is hotplug working?
[02:53] <narkceh> lunitik: it says that there isnt that kind of file or directory
[02:54] <narkceh> need root?
[02:54] <rem_> oh ...i just remember something my usb scanner stopped working yesterday after a powershortage, although my pc stayed on (ups), and the scanner takes power from usb(?!) ..but that might be the reason...!
[02:54] <narkceh> nope it wont work on that way either
[02:54] <lunitik> narkceh: bah... for some reason, seems you need 'sudo cat /dev/input/mouse0'...
[02:54] <rem_> ..its prbably my usb not working properly ..
[02:54] <lunitik> narkceh: might get same error though  :/
[02:55] <lunitik> narkceh: in which case... I don't know how to get it back  :(
[02:55] <narkceh> yes i got the same error
[02:55] <netmonk> rem_, sorry
[02:55] <rem_> thx anyway :D
[02:55] <narkceh> so there isnt any autoconf thing like in debian setup?
[02:55] <lunitik> bdale: you're a genius... he needs to add a device for his mouse... /dev/input/mouse0 is gone... you know how off hand?  :)
[02:56] <narkceh> i think my mouse is in ps/2
[02:56] <lunitik> narkceh: hence pointing you at that file  :/
[02:56] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, then it should be /dev/psaux
[02:57] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: no... thats Linux 2.4  :/
[02:57] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, I have it here, even with a USB mouse.
[02:57] <lunitik> eh... actually... both work here...  :/
[02:58] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, it's probably on my system because I have a PS/2 port for a mouse, albeit one that's unused.
[02:58] <narkceh> . /dev/psaux/mouse0?
[02:58] <lunitik> narkceh: no
[02:59] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, no, just /dev/psaux
[02:59] <lunitik> narkceh: 'sudo cat /dev/psaux'
[02:59] <narkceh> "cat /dev/psaux"?
[03:00] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: blah... just making sure its working elsewhere  :P
[03:00] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, j/k
[03:00] <narkceh> so it should work now?
[03:00] <lunitik> bdale: ahh... I get 'permission denied' here... even with sudo  :(
[03:01] <lunitik> narkceh: mm... we are seeing if it works... next is letting X know about it...
[03:01] <lunitik> narkceh: you got garble on the screen though?
[03:01] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, if your terminal gets messed up by the garbage, type "reset"
[03:02] <narkceh> i dint get anything when i wrote "cat /dev/psaux
[03:02] <Pointwood> /dev/hdc1 shouldn't that be root (hd1,0) in Grub? I have hda1 as (hd0,1)
[03:02] <lunitik> narkceh: did you move the mouse yet?
[03:02] <narkceh> nope?
[03:02] <lunitik> do it
[03:02] <narkceh> write reset?
[03:02] <lunitik> no
[03:02] <lunitik> move mouse
[03:02] <narkceh> it doesnt move anywhere
[03:03] <lunitik> do you get output on screen due to it though? (in the terminal)?
[03:03] <narkceh> when i write cat /dev/psaux it says nothing
[03:03] <narkceh> a row where is nothing
[03:03] <lunitik> narkceh: thats strange
[03:04] <narkceh> how to shut down gnome
[03:04] <lunitik> narkceh: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:05] <narkceh> then ill write cat /dev/psaux and startx
[03:05] <lunitik> narkceh: ok... should be no difference though
[03:06] <narkceh> or ill remove gde and use fxe4
[03:06] <lunitik> narkceh: would be faster to just hit ctrl+alt+f1
[03:06] <narkceh> ill remove gnome
[03:06] <narkceh> and use xfc4
[03:06] <lunitik> idgi
[03:06] <lunitik> narkceh: its not the GUI's fault... its X's.
[03:07] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, you might want to get your mouse working before you switch window managers, GNOME doesn't deal with the mouse - X does.
[03:07] <narkceh> lunitik: huh?
[03:07] <lunitik> well... I'm guessing its X's... definatly not GNOME's though
[03:07] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, Linux has multiple layers in it's graphical environment.
[03:07] <narkceh> i know but gnome is gay for my 200mhz machine
[03:07] <MobyTurbo> s/it's/its
[03:08] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, agreed
[03:08] <narkceh> yeah
[03:08] <linuxboy> if I right click on the clock in ubuntu. Then click on  Adjust Date & Time. Then click on Sync with clocks on the net, it says 'Please run NTP support in the system to enable synchronisation of your local time server with internet time servers'. What must I do to fix this?
[03:08] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, have you ever thought of running Debian Sarge instead for that machine? You say it's low on diskspace and aren't going to be using GNOME anyway so running a minimal distro might be the thing for you.
[03:08] <lunitik> linuxboy: apt-get install ntp
[03:09] <lunitik> linuxboy: or ntp-server
[03:09] <lunitik> I think that -server
[03:09] <lunitik> yes... 'apt-get install ntp-server'...
[03:10] <newbietoubuntu> I am new to Ubuntu Linux.  I can't get my mp3's or mpg's to play.  I have succesfully copied them across from my windows machines.  Totem and Music player both gives failed to open:reason unknown.  Anyone give me some advice?
[03:10] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: you could just have him use custom... same thing  :/
[03:10] <lunitik> MobyTurbo: cept this way... you don't have to tell him where to find files etc... he already has them
[03:10] <MobyTurbo> lunitik, true. But in that case he's reinstalling anyway.
[03:10] <bob2> newbietoubuntu: er, read the FAQ
[03:10] <bob2> newbietoubuntu: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:14] <snowblink> newbietoubuntu: http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[03:14] <newbietoubuntu> thanks all for your help
[03:15] <narkceh> lunitik: is "cat /dev/psaux" the command that i should use right?
[03:15] <lunitik> narkceh: sudo that yes
[03:16] <BGenesis> lunitik: Win 98 simply won't let me share, even after I checked Allow File Sharing in Control Panel > Network.
[03:17] <narkceh> lunitik: it doesnt work. ill just throw the computer out of the window and buy a comp where is usb mouse compatible
[03:17] <lunitik> BGenesis: bah... add 'FIle and Print services' in the same place...
[03:17] <BGenesis> lunitik: Already there.
[03:17] <lunitik> BGenesis: then you should call microsoft  :/
[03:18] <snowblink> lunitik: so edit the wiki ;)
[03:18] <lunitik> snowblink: I have... pleanty of times  :/
[03:18] <BGenesis> Damn, all I wanted to do was transfer my music :D
[03:18] <Golfer> good morning people
[03:19] <snowblink> lunitik: that's the answer to your question then
[03:19] <lunitik> BGenesis: Microsoft employs people to help you with that... I'm not at a Winblows box... going by memory there  :/
[03:19] <Psyk[o> Hi...
[03:19] <BGenesis> ok.
[03:19] <lunitik> snowblink: I just think whoever wrote ubuntuguide (you?) was silly
[03:19] <Golfer> Psyk[o hello
[03:20] <Psyk[o> I need a little help..
[03:20] <lunitik> Psyk[o: just tell us what is wrong... and we will try to assist you :)
[03:20] <Psyk[o> I'm trying from several days to install nvidia driver on my ubuntu :( today finally i've installed it, but when the X session start the system is sloooooow...
[03:20] <narkceh> lunitik: what kind of comp you have
[03:20] <Psyk[o> the mouse pointer dissapear... the window refreshing is slow... :(
[03:20] <lunitik> narkceh: a pos Duron 950
[03:20] <lunitik> 512 ram though
[03:21] <vixus> lunitik, back on linux.
[03:21] <snowblink> lunitik: no I didn't write it. However, I think numerous sources for how to do things is valid. There is always more than one way to do things.
[03:21] <narkceh> lunitik: do you have ps2 mouse?
[03:21] <lunitik> vixus: cool.. still can't help you more with the windows side though...
[03:21] <lunitik> narkceh: yes
[03:21] <narkceh> lunitik: did you use "cat /dev/psaux"
[03:22] <lunitik> narkceh: yes
[03:22] <MobyTurbo> Psyk[o, all you have to do is install nvidia-glx then "nvidia-glx-config enable".
[03:22] <lunitik> 'sudo cat /dev/psaux'
[03:22] <narkceh> and then it didnt say nothing
[03:22] <lunitik> narkceh: make sure you are using the sudo!!!
[03:22] <lunitik> narkceh: it says nothing... but spits out garble as you move the mouse
[03:22] <narkceh> i have written sudo 100034x times
[03:22] <narkceh> and mouse doesnt move
[03:23] <lunitik> narkceh: mouse won't move... text should appear on screen!!
[03:23] <lunitik> not really text... charactors
[03:23] <Psyk[o> MobyTurbo, I've tried, but I've received this output: Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[03:23] <Psyk[o> This script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this
[03:23] <Psyk[o> not correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following
[03:23] <Psyk[o> command:
[03:23] <Psyk[o> md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum
[03:23] <Psyk[o> otherwise edit manually /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change the Driver section
[03:23] <Psyk[o> from nv to nvidia.
[03:23] <narkceh> lunitik: how to change mouse settings in gnome?
[03:23] <Psyk[o> then I edited /etc/x11/xorg.conf, i've changed nv to nvidia and i've commented Load "dri"
[03:23] <narkceh> lunitik: without terminal
[03:24] <lunitik> narkceh: you don't want to do it in gnome... gnome doesn't deal with that...
[03:24] <lunitik> narkceh: you have to use cli!
[03:24] <vixus> lunitik: Yeah, the linux side is fine, I can get into the Windows Network -> Our domain. It's my stupid windows 98 box that sucks.
[03:24] <narkceh> lunitik: cli?
[03:24] <MobyTurbo> Psyk[o, you also need to comment out GLCore if it's there, and uncomment glx.
[03:24] <lunitik> narkceh: Command Line Interface
[03:24] <lunitik> narkceh: the terminal
[03:25] <narkceh> lunitik: but it doenst work
[03:25] <zombics> what's the best way to install wine on ubuntu 64-Bit?
[03:25] <narkceh> lunitik: so there is nothing to do
[03:25] <Xappe> narkceh, have you checked that your mouse is /dev/mice (think that's the ubuntu default) in your xserver configuration (XF86config-4 or xorg.conf)
[03:25] <vixus> zombics: sudo apt-get install wine ?
[03:26] <narkceh> Xappe: "cat /dev/mice"?
[03:26] <narkceh> Xappe: "sudo cat /dev/mice"?
[03:26] <zombics> vixus, he cant find it :/
[03:26] <ralf_> Xappe, that would be /dev/input/mice, no?
[03:26] <Xappe> ralf_, true
[03:26] <vixus> zombics: Who can't find it?
[03:26] <zombics> vixus, apt-get :P
[03:26] <narkceh> "sudo cat /dev/input/mice"?
[03:26] <lunitik> Xappe: he is using a ps/2 mouse... psmouse is loaded... would be /dev/input/mouse0 for ps/2 and /dev/input/mice for usb
[03:27] <ralf_> narkceh, yes
[03:27] <Psyk[o> MobyTurbo, there isn't GLCore, and i've uncommented glx..
[03:27] <zombics> vixus, from what i heard ther is no 64Bit pack for wine
[03:27] <Xappe> lunitik, no, my ps/2 mouse is /dev/input/mice
[03:27] <vixus> zombics: Oh, you want it to be 64-bit. Won't the normal wine work? (I don't know much about this stuff.)
[03:28] <MobyTurbo> Psyk[o, you might want to look at the error logs of X then (in /var/log)
[03:28] <Psyk[o> MobyTurbo, ok, thx
[03:29] <Psyk[o> I'll back soon :)
[03:29] <Xappe> narkceh, check your XF86Config-4  (or xorg.conf if you use Hoary)
[03:30] <narkceh> i dont have nothing but /dev/input/event0 or event1 or mice
[03:30] <narkceh> how to chect XD86config-4?
[03:30] <lunitik> narkceh: cat /dev/input/mice
[03:30] <lunitik> see if that does it
[03:30] <lunitik> (spits garble out)
[03:30] <narkceh> nothing
[03:31] <narkceh> ill just trow the computer out of the window
[03:31] <zombics> vixus, i am using ubuntu 64BIT. if i can use the 32 BIT pac and it will work so i dont care....
[03:31] <lunitik> Xappe: if the device does "nothing"... then how will it help to configure X for the mouse?  :/
[03:31] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, have you checked your mouse cable? Maybe its a hardware problem.
[03:32] <narkceh> i did check it
[03:32] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, see if it's plugged in well
[03:32] <narkceh> its plugged
[03:32] <MobyTurbo> narkceh, OK
[03:32] <Drizzt321> does warty use standard /dev devices, or udev?
[03:32] <Xappe> lunitik, ah ok...
[03:32] <lunitik> Drizzt321: udev
[03:32] <MobyTurbo> Drizzt321, udev
[03:33] <Gul3> hi, i need a linux iso extractor. is there any?
[03:33] <Drizzt321> lunitik, MobyTurbo: thanks, I'll make sure to adjust my thinking, I'm used to standard dev.
[03:33] <lunitik> Gul3: you in Linux?
[03:33] <narkceh> lunitik: ill destroy my computer with hammer and axe
[03:33] <Gul3> lunitik: yes
[03:33] <narkceh> lunitik: and mouse too
[03:33] <Drizzt321> Gul3: loopback device driver. modprobe loop; man losetup and go from there, pretty simple
[03:34] <lunitik> Gul3: mount -o loop /path/to/iso /where/to/mount
[03:34] <segfault> -t iso9660
[03:34] <Gul3> thanks!
[03:34] <lunitik> segfault: that too  :)
[03:34] <Gul3> so it is that easy:)
[03:34] <lunitik> Gul3: yup  :)
[03:34] <Drizzt321> very
[03:35] <Drizzt321> Gul3: if you also need to make an iso, but not burn it directly to disc, look into mkisofs
[03:35] <Psyk[> MobyTurbo, would you take a look to my xorg.log file?:(
[03:35] <Drizzt321> Gul3: though most cd burning frontends will do that for you if you say to a file
[03:35] <Psyk[> I can't understand anything :(
[03:36] <Glen_> hi all
[03:36] <lunitik> Psyk[: paste it on pastebin.com
[03:36] <Drizzt321> hey Glen_
[03:36] <Glen_> im having a problem with grub, any onw willing to help?
[03:36] <Gul3> sudo mount -o loop tes3comp.iso -t iso9660 TEST/ leavs me this: mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[03:36] <mz2> aargh, i still haven't gotten the same cursor back
[03:36] <Drizzt321> Glen_: I'll give it a shot
[03:36] <Glen_> hey Drizzt :)
[03:37] <Psyk[> lunitik, ok thx
[03:37] <mz2> am using the weird transparent whiteish one now
[03:37] <Glen_> D&D Fan :P
[03:37] <Drizzt321> Gul3: lsmod | grep loop
[03:37] <Drizzt321> Gul3:  does that give you anything back?
[03:37] <Drizzt321> Glen_: indeed
[03:37] <Psyk[> lunitik, here is the link http://www.pastebin.com/241382
[03:37] <Gul3> Drizzt321: no
[03:38] <Drizzt321> Gul3: grep loop /proc/filesystem, does that give you anything?
[03:38] <Glen_> Drizzt321 can you see my provate messge?
[03:38] <Xappe> mz2, the original ubuntu cursor is jimmac
[03:38] <Drizzt321> Glen_: yes, however in the future its polite to ask people before /msg them
[03:38] <Neil3> Gul3, file roller can view inside iso images afaik
[03:38] <Gul3> Drizzt321: No
[03:38] <Drizzt321> Gul3: ok, you need to, as root, modprobe loop
[03:38] <Glen_> oh right, sorry Drizzt321, im new :(
[03:38] <Glen_> well my problem is bootin to windows in GRUB
[03:38] <Drizzt321> Glen_: thats fine, I'm just letting you know for the future :)
[03:39] <Drizzt321> Glen_: ok, have you tried looking in the grub man page?
[03:39] <Drizzt321> Glen_: err...nm, that doesn't have much of that stuff
[03:39] <mz2> Xappe, thx
[03:40] <Glen_> well do it on here then: i have ubuntu installed, i think my problem is something to do with not being able to boot from the second harddrive (hd1)
[03:40] <topyli> Drizzt321: well, the grub man page has almost nothing. see the info page instead
[03:40] <Drizzt321> Glen_: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Multiboot-with-GRUB.html
[03:40] <Drizzt321> topyli: yea, I just noticed that
[03:41] <Xappe> mz2, i change to jimmac yesterday because i got tired of waiting for an update of the industrial engine
[03:41] <Drizzt321> Glen_: thats a mini-howto at tldp.org - the linux doc project
[03:41] <Gul3> Drizzt321: thanks, worked now:)
[03:41] <Drizzt321> Glen_: :)
[03:41] <vixus> lunitik: Got it working =D
[03:43] <inser> hi
[03:43] <mz2> fair enough
[03:43] <Glen_> # on /dev/hdc1
[03:43] <Glen_> title		Windows NT/2000/XP
[03:43] <Glen_> 
[03:43] <Glen_> root		(hd1,0)
[03:43] <Glen_> savedefault
[03:43] <Glen_> makeactive
[03:43] <Glen_> chainloader	+1
[03:43] <inser> how are u?
[03:43] <Glen_> that my entry in GRUB, i think i need to use the: grub> map (hd0) (hd1)
[03:43] <Glen_> grub> map (hd1) (hd0) but i dont know how
[03:44] <Drizzt321> Glen_: also, please do not paste multiple lines into here, go to #flood or post it on pastebin.com
[03:44] <Gul3> ok, so then a wine related question. when i try to start Setup.exe it gives me this: You must copy a 'stdole32.tlb' file to your Windows\System directory! You can get one from a Windows installation, or look for the DCOM95 package on the Microsoft Download Pages." how do i get around this?
[03:44] <Glen_> oh sorry, just copied and pasted. i didnt know it was gonna do lodsa lines
[03:45] <Drizzt321> Glen_: each line in the file will produce a line in here
[03:45] <Glen_> ok sorry, ill remember hat in future, however do u understand what i mean?
[03:45] <zombics> when i am trying to compile wine i get this error: "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"
[03:46] <Drizzt321> Glen_: so you have 2 physical hard disks that you are trying to dual boot?
[03:46] <Glen_> yes
[03:46] <Glen_> i think it is 'cos i have windows on my Secound harddrive, and grub cannot boot froma  secound harddrive, thats why i mentions the MAP command
[03:47] <Glen_> i.e. grub> map (hd0) (hd1) | grub> map (hd1) (hd0)
[03:47] <Drizzt321> Glen_:  ok, so instead of (hd0,0), you would use (hd1,0) or if it is not slave, use hd2 or hd3 as appropriate
[03:48] <Drizzt321> Glen_: heres the grub online manual with the naming conventions: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Naming-convention.html#Naming%20convention
[03:51] <Glen_> <Drizzt321: is there a way i can just use LiLO instead, install LiLO to a Floopy or something and leave GRUN on my MBR just incease it down work?
[03:51] <Glen_> because i have useds Mandrake before and LILO worked fine
[03:52] <Xappe> hmm, the problem is that windows has to think it's on the first disk to boot correctly?
[03:52] <Drizzt321> grub works fine as well, just a different way of doing things. I'm not expert on dual booting with grub though, unfortunately.
[03:52] <Glen_> this GRUB doesnt work, cos it didnt work onn SuSE either, and now its not working on Ubuntu so it must be GRUB
[03:52] <Glen_> ok cheers
[03:52] <Drizzt321> heres the section on booting windows....   http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/DOS-Windows.html#DOS%2fWindows
[03:52] <Drizzt321> not sure if it'll help more
[03:53] <Glen_> ok drizzt321, can i ask, do u know where about i wud put the  "grub> map (hd0) (hd1) | grub> map (hd1) (hd0)" command in my menu/list file?
[03:54] <Glen_> menu.list
[03:54] <Glen_> menu.lst* even (the file GRUB use's)
[03:54] <Drizzt321> yes
[03:55] <Drizzt321> Glen_: here's the configuration section, you can use that as a base guide for adding in the section http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Configuration.html#Configuration
[03:57] <Psyk[o] > anyone can take a look at my Xorg log? I'm fighting with xorg and nvidia drivers :(
[03:57] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : I can try, but I haven't run Xorg yet :\
[03:58] <scoon> Psyk[o] , what is in the log.  what is the err ?
[03:58] <scoon> Psyk[o] , i am running x.org w/ nvidia and all is well.
[03:59] <Psyk[o] > it seems to is all ok in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and nvidia module loaded.. .but i cant start xorg :( the log is here: http://www.pastebin.com/241382
[03:59] <Psyk[o] > I have a Nvidia Fx5200 card
[04:00] <Welly> hey guys
[04:01] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : ok, the problem is in your config file. you do not have a Screen section that contains a valid configuration
[04:02] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : I've had this happen to me before on X11, so you'll need to go in and edit your Xorg config file
[04:02] <Psyk[o] > Drizzt321, but with the same config if i change "nvidia" to "nv" it works...
[04:02] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : go into your config file and look in the Screen section and see if something might need to be changed
[04:03] <mat> Psyk[o] : are you sure the nvidia kernel module is loaded / is working ?
[04:03] <mat> i.e., try reloading it
[04:04] <Psyk[o] > mat, yes:  lsmod | grep nv
[04:04] <Psyk[o] > nvidia               3470364  0
[04:05] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : would you paste your config file on pastebin?
[04:05] <Psyk[o] > Drizzt321, sure
[04:05] <Drizzt321> thanks
[04:06] <mat> also, if reloading the module works: sometimes, the nvidia module compiled for an old kernel (or an old kernel configuration), would load but not work. so you could just try rebuilding the module (probably useless if you are using the packages though)
[04:06] <Psyk[o] > Drizzt321, http://www.pastebin.com/241386
[04:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> hi all! fdisk says my partitions doesn't end on the cylinder boundary what am I supposed to do format the whole HD? theri is any tool to fix it?
[04:06] <Glen_> hey im editing LiLO, wha does this mean "boot=Insert_your_boot_device_here", anyone?
[04:07] <zombics> how can i install flash player on my ubuntu 64 system?
[04:07] <_|Imanewbie|_> zombics getthe binary and just ./it
[04:08] <zombics> _|Imanewbie|_, Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the Macromedia Flash Player installer.
[04:08] <mat> zombics: mail macromedia :] 
[04:08] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : hrmmm
[04:09] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : and so the only difference in nvidia instead of nv?
[04:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> mat amem
[04:09] <Psyk[o] > Drizzt321, yes...
[04:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> no one got a suggestion for me?
[04:09] <zombics> mat, bhaa :/
[04:09] <vixus> I need an ID3 tag editor for linux.
[04:09] <chillywilly> bah, my printer has stopped working
[04:09] <vixus> Cause rhythmbox is stupidly case-sensitive.
[04:09] <Drizzt321> vixus: try madman
[04:10] <mat> zombics: <insert rant about proprietary software> :)
[04:10] <_|Imanewbie|_> vixus I did one as homework :D
[04:10] <sege> any last words before i upgrade to hoary? does it even work? =)
[04:10] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : have you tried rmmod nvidia; modprobe nvidia to reload the kernel module?
[04:10] <_|Imanewbie|_> sege ive upgrade yesterday andmy sistem crashed
[04:10] <mat> vixus: search for "id3" in the package list :)
[04:10] <Drizzt321> vixus: madman has a great tag editing feature, but its also great as a search/jukebox and works great with xmms
[04:11] <Psyk[o] > Drizzt321, yes, I've tried :(
[04:11] <sege> _|Imanewbie|_: bad =)
[04:11] <vixus> _|Imanewbie|_, can I have it?
[04:11] <_|Imanewbie|_> vixus it was for windows =(
[04:11] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : anything showing up in your /var/log/syslog after you try and start the server?
[04:11] <vixus> :|
[04:11] <vixus> oh
[04:11] <gus> Hi all, I'm having some trouble installing ubuntu on my CDless laptop. I installed the ubuntu base system on the laptop drive by installing it in my desktop as HD0. The base system boots on the desktop, but I get errors on transferring basck to the lappie.
[04:11] <_|Imanewbie|_> vixus my teacher doesn't use linux
[04:12] <Psyk[o] > Drizzt321, I haven't looked at syslog, I can try to run X and paste that log..
[04:12] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : no, don't
[04:12] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : it'll be too large, we're just interested in the end, you can use the tail program for that
[04:13] <vixus> Madman takes up 18.2 MB. I think its unnecessary for just editing id3 tags
[04:13] <Psyk[o] > ok, I'm going to do that
[04:13] <Drizzt321> vixus: well, it does alot more than just tag editing
[04:13] <Drizzt321> vixus: you looked at the site?
[04:13] <_|Imanewbie|_> vixus http://easytag.sourceforge.net/
[04:13] <parazoid> How can i unpack an Ace-file
[04:14] <vixus> does xmms support ID3 tag editing and playlists? XP
[04:14] <gus> After "Uncompressing linux... Ok, booting the kernel" I get an ACPI error (old laptop, no acpi support) followed by "/bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" then a kernel panic "VFS: Unable to moount root fs on unknown-block(0.0"
[04:14] <mat> parazoid: try installing unace :)
[04:14] <chillywilly> I think I broke my CUPS
[04:14] <Drizzt321> vixus: yes, you can edit the id3 tags in xmms
[04:14] <_|Imanewbie|_> chillywilly get a glass :p
[04:14] <vixus> got it then Drizzt321
[04:15] <Drizzt321> vixus: its not the easiest way to do it, but you can
[04:15] <vixus> D:
[04:15] <vixus> Why?
[04:15] <Drizzt321> vixus: its kind of clunky
[04:15] <vixus> ill get easytag then
[04:15] <Drizzt321> vixus: yea, you might. I just looked at it and the interface looks a whole lot better than doing it through xmms
[04:16] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : anything?
[04:16] <Psyk[o] > Drizzt321, here is the log http://www.pastebin.com/241390
[04:16] <Drizzt321> k
[04:17] <gus> Any suggestions?
[04:17] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : do you have the correct permissions for device /dev/nvidia0?
[04:17] <_|Imanewbie|_> I love gentoo ppl-> RTFM lol lol he is a newbie get him!
[04:18] <Drizzt321> lol _|Imanewbie|_
[04:18] <Psyk[o] > Drizzt321, i dont know
[04:18] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : ls -l /dev/nvidia0
[04:18] <Psyk[o] > crw-rw----  1 root video 195, 0 2005-02-13 16:14 /dev/nvidia0
[04:19] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : ok, now as you're user, do groups, see if you are in group video
[04:19] <vixus> Hmm.
[04:19] <vixus> Now
[04:19] <_|Imanewbie|_> I know I'm beeing a pain in the a$$ but unless you say you don't know I will keep asking cause it is damm important for me. Im unable to install linux cause fdisk says that 2 of my partitions doesn't end on cilinder boundary
[04:19] <aaronc_uk> hi everyone, can anyone help me install bluetooth support
[04:19] <Psyk[o] > Drizzt321, yes, I am
[04:19] <vixus> I need to change all the songs from They Might be Giants to They Might B%e Giants.
[04:20] <parazoid> mat, thanks :)
[04:20] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : how about for /dev/nvidiactl?
[04:20] <Golfer> _|Imanewbie|_ have you searched google?
[04:20] <Psyk[o] > crw-rw----  1 root video 195, 255 2005-02-13 16:14 /dev/nvidiactl...
[04:20] <Drizzt321> umph
[04:21] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : and lspci shows it at 1:0:0?
[04:21] <vixus> Drizzt321: I thought I could batch them! :|
[04:21] <Psyk[o] > it's strange... I've installed nvidia drivers with no problems under fedora-core and suse..
[04:22] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : yea, I've used them under debian fine, but not with Xorg, I haven't worked with that specifically yet
[04:22] <Psyk[o] > 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]  (rev a1)
[04:22] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : hmph. yup
[04:22] <Drizzt321> vixus: ah...you can do that retag change thing in madman. not sure what else might have it, I haven't investigated that
[04:23] <_|Imanewbie|_> Golfer sure
[04:23] <topyli> vixus: easytag, or a fancy sed command
[04:24] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : I have no clue. it does seem as if the nvidia X drivers(not the kernel drivers) are failing
[04:24] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : you looked on the wiki.x.org to see if others are having this problem?
[04:24] <_|Imanewbie|_> Golfer it says my partition table might be inconsistent but doesn't say me how to fix it up
[04:24] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : cause I'm out of ideas
[04:24] <Psyk[o] > Drizzt321, no, I'll take a look... btw, thanks for all! :)
[04:24] <choisy> hello
[04:25] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : you're welcome. good luck with it!
[04:25] <aaronc_uk> ive got bluetooth working, but i cant get gnome bluetooth deb installed##
[04:25] <Golfer> _|Imanewbie|_ seems to me that maybe where you want to be looking rather then and Ubuntu help channel
[04:25] <darksatanic> _|Imanewbie|_: Do you have anything on there that you need to keep?
[04:26] <vixus> Drizzt321, use the Scanner in easytag.
[04:26] <vixus> It worked a treat.
[04:26] <vixus> Now... how do I get Bluetooth working? (I want to use Blue Remote)
[04:26] <Drizzt321> vixus: ok :) glad to hear it
[04:26] <Drizzt321> vixus: um...I wish I had some bluetooth. if you send me it I'll figure it out for you ;)
[04:27] <vixus> XD
[04:27] <vixus> But really. bluez-utils... installed it... then what?
[04:27] <vixus> (I've got it wrong right?)
[04:27] <Drizzt321> vixus: go to google and search
[04:28] <_|Imanewbie|_> darksatanic Ive backuped everything I need
[04:29] <universal> can someone help me adding dvd to my fstab???
[04:29] <darksatanic> _|Imanewbie|_: OK. Do you have a live CD? (Ubuntu Live CD, Knoppix, something that you can boot from and get a command prompt?)
[04:29] <aaronc_uk> im trying to dpkg --install bluez-utils and im getting this
[04:29] <aaronc_uk> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of bluez-utils:
[04:29] <aaronc_uk>  bluez-utils depends on libbluetooth1 (>= 2.10); however:
[04:29] <aaronc_uk>   Version of libbluetooth1 on system is 2.7-4.
[04:29] <aaronc_uk> dpkg: error processing bluez-utils (--install):
[04:30] <topyli> urgh
[04:30] <aaronc_uk> is 2.7 not higher that 2.1
[04:30] <eKLim> hie... anyone knows how to configure USB DSL modem?
[04:30] <_|Imanewbie|_> darksatanic should I format andrepartition everything?
[04:30] <Drizzt321> aaronc_uk: its 2.10, not 2.1 it wants
[04:30] <darksatanic> Yes.
[04:30] <_|Imanewbie|_> \o/
[04:30] <aaronc_uk> ahh, not sure where to get that from
[04:31] <darksatanic> You can get rid of the partition table from a Linux command prompt with "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=1 bs=512"
[04:31] <darksatanic> (Assuming that the disk in question is /dev/hda)
[04:31] <_|Imanewbie|_> darksatanic will it solve the problem than? I got no linuxI got just windows now
[04:31] <Drizzt321> aaronc_uk: no clue, you search the net for libbluetooth and find out where its home is? start there
[04:31] <darksatanic> If you wipe the partition table totally, it should do, yes.
[04:31] <darksatanic> However, you *will* lose everything on the disk.
[04:31] <_|Imanewbie|_> darksatanic I will go fdisk old style :)
[04:32] <_|Imanewbie|_> I backuped university stuff just will have to keep soulseek open for somedays
[04:32] <eKLim> i got an Aztech DSL Turbo 100 USB modem, and i have some problems to configure it.
[04:32] <eKLim> anyone know how?
[04:33] <DXT> in a class method, can i possibly return 'this' by reference? 'return *this' or I'll have to return a pointer anyway?
[04:33] <universal> aaronc_uk, can u help how to set my dvd in fstab?
[04:33] <DXT> oops wrong chan
[04:33] <DXT> :)
[04:33] <SeanQ> you're only in this chan? lol
[04:34] <DXT> that belonged to the c++ chan :p
[04:34] <SeanQ> ah, got it.
[04:34] <vixus> Is there a blueremote binary for ubuntu?
[04:35] <membreya> how do you prioritise network connections? ie have my ethernet as my main connection and my wireless as a backup
[04:36] <universal> can someone help me mount dvd in fstab?
[04:36] <SeanQ> universal, hold on
[04:36] <_|Imanewbie|_> universal google
[04:36] <vixus> Bluetooth WORKS! I love ubuntu.
[04:36] <vixus> Everything on it has worked so far: Audio, DVD, bluetooth.
[04:36] <universal> ok
[04:37] <vixus> See ya.
[04:37] <membreya> universal: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[04:37] <mlambie> universal: my fstab looks like this: /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   auto    ro,user,noauto  0       0
[04:37] <vixus> universal: ubuntuguide
[04:37] <universal> ok, thx! i will see
[04:37] <membreya> mlambie: if you have a dvd burner change the ro to rw
[04:37] <mlambie> vixus: what dongle are you using? I tried with a belkin a few months back and it was horrible. never got it working.
[04:37] <SeanQ> i looked at ubuntuguide for universal, can't find it
[04:37] <SeanQ> can find how to mount it, but not fstab
[04:37] <mlambie> membreya: true, but I don't ;)
[04:38] <darksatanic> membreya: I don't think using rw will make any difference.
[04:38] <hybrid_> hello
[04:38] <membreya> darksatanic: i had problems when i first installed...but i was using warty
[04:38] <membreya> hoary rocks
[04:38] <chillywilly> yay, I fixed my CUPS ;)
[04:38] <Golfer> ro,rw makes no difference
[04:38] <darksatanic> Well, the reason is that the options there are only for mounting an existing filesystem.
[04:38] <membreya> cept I cant install nvidia drivers!
[04:39] <mlambie> actually, my dvd burner is mounted with : /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[04:39] <SeanQ> i don't think my wireless works with hoary
[04:39] <darksatanic> The writing is done through an entirely different mechanism.
[04:39] <membreya> aahh ... I stand corrected darksatanic
[04:39] <Drizzt321> gah, burning a full DVD takes forever!
[04:39] <hybrid_> SeanQ what kinda wirelees card you have?
[04:39] <SeanQ> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogKernel#Networking
[04:39] <SeanQ> I use the linux-wlan-ng
[04:39] <blah> seanq what wireless chipset do you have?
[04:40] <SeanQ> prism2_usb
[04:40] <blah> ah
[04:40] <membreya> oh god linux and irc are making me lazy with typing.. I just pressed tab to try to spell a work :\
[04:40] <SeanQ> i've done that, membreya.\
[04:40] <membreya> word even!
[04:40] <SeanQ> regardless if they obseleted prism2_usb, i can still run it with ndiswrapper
[04:40] <hybrid_> SeanQ is that a usb wireless adapter?
[04:41] <SeanQ> yes
[04:41] <SeanQ> Netgear MA-111
[04:41] <membreya> hoary makes my acx1100 work out of the box :)
[04:41] <hybrid_> and you got it to work with linus? how hard was it
[04:41] <Drizzt321> lol membreya
[04:41] <hybrid_> **linux
[04:42] <membreya> problem is ..it's a netgear and it's a bad combo ...it looses connection after a few days and I have to hard restart the router
[04:42] <membreya> so I want to know how to use the eth0 as primary
[04:42] <SeanQ> well, what kind of router?
[04:42] <SeanQ> i run straight netgear..netgear adapter -- netgear router
[04:42] <SeanQ> i'm a cheapskate
[04:43] <darksatanic> membreya: Take a look at your routing table.
[04:43] <darksatanic> "route -n"
[04:43] <darksatanic> You will need to hack that up to make the eth0 your default route.
[04:43] <sig_ubuntu> morning
[04:43] <membreya> wlan0 is listed first
[04:44] <Psyk[o] > Drizzt321, something happens... i've uninstalled the nvidia official driver with --uninstall option, then I've installed the linux-restricted-modules packages... Now the X server works with nvidia drivers but the system is very sloow, the mouse pointer dissapear and glxgears run at 1-2 fps...
[04:44] <membreya> hmmm gateway says the eth0 is the gw
[04:44] <zombics> every time i try to apt-get build-dep i get this error: E: Build-Depends dependency for wine cannot be satisfied because the package libcapi20-dev cannot be found"
[04:44] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : hrm...not sure. I haven't used the linux-restricted-modules package at all
[04:45] <parazoid> mat, are you good at this unace-program?
[04:45] <Bandit> wonder what hoary will be like when its not unstable :)   Server Uptime 4 days, 0:42:21
[04:45] <dejavu> could use some help here ppl !
[04:45] <membreya> whats wrong dejavu
[04:46] <Psyk[o] > Drizzt321, hehe, now i try to ask the question to the channel :)
[04:46] <topyli> zombics: build the library first, if you can find a debian source
[04:46] <Psyk[o] > For all: Anyone have trouble with nvidia+xorg and system slowness ?
[04:46] <dejavu> when i open my nautilis viewer it opens folders in a new window !
[04:46] <universal> SeanQ, ok, i tried to follow the guide with my dvd-player..... but as i will play dvd in xine it still says something about EML...
[04:46] <zombics> topyli, huh? :\
[04:46] <Golfer> what do you mean system slowness
[04:46] <dejavu> i want  a folder  tobe opened in the same window !
[04:47] <SeanQ> hm, i don't know
[04:47] <universal> someone who can help?
[04:47] <casimir> dejavu: you can turn off spatial browsing in gconf
[04:47] <Golfer> universal in terminal type xine-check
[04:47] <universal> ok
[04:47] <universal> Golfer, ok
[04:47] <topyli> zombics: if you use unstable sources, some build-deps may be impossible. so you'll need to build them from unstable too. can turn into a vicious circle :)
[04:47] <Golfer> it should show you what your problems are
[04:47] <Psyk[o] > universal, you can turn on the option either in the nautilus preferences
[04:48] <dejavu> casimir: can u guide me step by step of how to do so ?
[04:48] <parazoid> Does anyone have experience with Unace
[04:48] <zombics> topyli, o :< so ther is a guide that will tell me what to do :/
[04:49] <Golfer> dejavu applications >> system tools>>configuration editor>>>apps>> nautilus>>preferences>>always use browser  change false to true
[04:50] <casimir> Golfer's got it
[04:50] <universal> Golfer, ok, its all good, but when im trying to play dvd's it says cannot find input plugin for MRL (DVD)
[04:50] <topyli> zombics: well, try apt-get build-dep libfoo (the one you need). If you can build and install it, you can then get the build-deps for the package you originally wanted, including your brand new libfoo
[04:51] <Psyk[o] > I'm sorry, but anyone thats have a nvidia card and Hoary can help me ?
[04:51] <Golfer> universal have you installed everything ubuntuguide.org suggested
[04:51] <dejavu> Golfer: roger .. lemme check !
[04:51] <universal> yes
[04:51] <casimir> I'm having some trouble with nvidia drivers causing some instability
[04:51] <zombics> topyli, i have no idea what libfoo i need
[04:52] <dejavu> Golfer: got it ... thanks dude ! :)
[04:52] <universal> Golfer, yes
[04:52] <membreya> nautilus applications:///Internet : "applications:///Internet" is not a valid location. < what the?!
[04:52] <universal> Golfer, any suggestions=
[04:52] <Golfer> dejavu yw
[04:52] <Psyk[o] > casimir, but with nvidia drivers the system performance are ok?
[04:52] <dejavu> btw ... ppl do we have a BETTER  mp3 or media Manager then xmmx ?
[04:52] <casimir> I've experienced it on other systems and usually I play with my kernel
[04:52] <MeMa|Sorcerer> re
[04:52] <topyli> zombics: libcapi20-dev, like the error message says
[04:52] <universal> Golfer, ?
[04:52] <Golfer> universal which ones did you install
[04:53] <Psyk[o] > dejavu, beep-media-player and muine :)
[04:53] <casimir> performance seems reasonable
[04:53] <Psyk[o] > casimir, I've trouble only with ubuntu... and I cant understand why :(
[04:53] <universal> Golfer, libdvdcss2, xine-gui, x32..thing.
[04:53] <topyli> zombics: but that may lead to a viscious circle of gradual upgrade to an unstable distribution :)
[04:54] <Psyk[o] > casimir, can you paste in a private message your "Load module" section in xorg.conf?
[04:54] <universal> Golfer, has it something to do with my dvd-src somehow?
[04:54] <zombics> topyli, E: Unable to find a source package for libfoo
[04:54] <casimir> Psyk[o] , I've gotten them to work with gentoo and the 2.6.9 kernel
[04:54] <kapputu> hi
[04:54] <kapputu> has anyone configured a acx111 card in Ubuntu?
[04:54] <zombics> topyli, this led to this: sudo apt-get build-dep libfoo libcapi20-dev
[04:54] <dejavu> how can i know whats the color depth or my desktop is ... i mean is my desktop on 16-bit or 8-bit or more .. and how can i change it ?
[04:54] <kapputu> why does the module-assistant not know about acx100
[04:55] <Golfer> universal did you add gstreamer0.8-plugins
[04:55] <topyli> zombics: "foo" is just the standard unix example. in reality, you need libcapi20-dev at the moment
[04:55] <Psyk[o] > casimir, me to, i've got it working on gentoo, fedora and suse...
[04:55] <MobyTurbo> dejavu, that depends on your video card
[04:55] <membreya> nautilus applications:///Internet : "applications:///Internet" is not a valid location.  what the?! why am I getting this message?
[04:55] <MobyTurbo> dejavu, I have 24 bit, from a card that's somewhat obsolete (TNT2 M64)
[04:56] <universal> Golfer, I think thats the problem!
[04:56] <universal> Golfer, 2 sek
[04:56] <Golfer> universal then try that check again
[04:56] <choisy> what does array-4 mean?
[04:57] <universal> Golfer, ok, but how to check that?
[04:57] <dejavu> MobyTurbo:  but cant i change it ? i mean if my default depth is like 8-bit .. cant i change it to 165-bit ?
[04:57] <zombics> topyli, is only available from another source
[04:57] <zombics> E: Package libtool1.4 has no installation candidate
[04:57] <zombics> E: Failed to satisfy Build-Depends dependency for libcapi20-dev: libtool1.4
[04:57] <Golfer> terminal  xine-check
[04:57] <dejavu> Psyk[o] : whats the diff betweeen xmms and beep-media-player ? :)
[04:57] <hybrid_> the name
[04:57] <Psyk[o] > dejavu, beep-media-player is based on gtk2
[04:58] <MobyTurbo> dejavu, that, again, depends upon what your video card supports. In order to change it you'll need to reconfigure X and restart it.
[04:58] <vixus> Hey, I'm trying to compile Blue Remote.
[04:58] <vixus> I need libbonobo-2.0
[04:58] <vixus> Any repositories that have it
[04:59] <topyli> zombics: i'm afraid you're going to lose this one, the packages are too new or exist only in debian unstable or something
[04:59] <dejavu> Psyk[o] : cool .. so it might be more efficient ! but i was wounderring if there is a sftware  like a mp3 juke box of something .. all in one type !
[04:59] <zombics> bhaaa :/ so i cant compile staff now? :/
[04:59] <Omega11> hi
[04:59] <Psyk[o] > dejavu, I love muine but there is also rhythmbox
[04:59] <Omega11> ubuntu linux sux
[04:59] <dejavu> MobyTurbo:  reconfigure X ... humm .. how am i supposeto do that ?
[05:00] <topyli> zombics: sure you can. just not this one :)
[05:00] <choisy> Omega11: definitly
[05:00] <zombics> topyli, it hepends in every thing i tryed (wine.xchat)
[05:00] <topyli> zombics: where did you get the source?
[05:00] <MobyTurbo> dejavu, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:00] <zombics> topyli, homepage
[05:00] <Omega11> yea choisy leave this channel
[05:00] <Omega11> it sux
[05:00] <vixus> Anyone?
[05:00] <Omega11> go get windows
[05:00] <vixus> libbonobo
[05:01] <hybrid_> windows roflmao
[05:01] <topyli> zombics: a debian source package?
[05:01] <usual> jdub, any idea why nautilus crashes X?
[05:01] <Omega11> windows is a defacto standard
[05:01] <zombics> topyli, no....
[05:01] <hybrid_> standars sux
[05:01] <hybrid_> **standards sukk
[05:01] <MobyTurbo> Omega11, POSIX is a standard, one that Linux adheres to. Windows isn't any sort of standard.
[05:02] <Omega11> what the hell posix do the first few letters mean peace of shit?
[05:02] <Omega11> what the hell is posix
[05:02] <topyli> zombics: don't try to build it with apt then. go old style
[05:02] <zombics> topyli, when i am trying to compile wine this is what i get"checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[05:02] <zombics> "
[05:02] <hybrid_> MobyTurbo posix isnt much of a standard
[05:02] <MobyTurbo> Omega11, a standard recognized by the Federal government
[05:02] <Drizzt321> MobyTurbo: actually...I don't think so
[05:03] <topyli> zombics: ah, your build environment is broken. install the build-essential package
[05:03] <Omega11> well can you explain the standard
[05:03] <MobyTurbo> hybrid_, Linux partially complies with other standards too.
[05:03] <usual> is nautilus crashing X a known bug in hoary?
[05:03] <Drizzt321> MobyTurbo: I thought it was one by ratified by on of the international standards organization. like IETF or ISO or IEEE
[05:03] <zombics> topyli, build-essential is already the newest version.
[05:03] <casimir> what about SUS?
[05:04] <Drizzt321> casimir: I was just using those as examples
[05:04] <hybrid_> MobyTurbo; but not hardware sandards ;) but posix is very loose technically windows is posix...but is it unix? :P
[05:04] <MobyTurbo> Drizzt321, yes, but the Federal Government prefers POSIX when they purchase software. It's why Windows NT contained a crippled POSIX DLL.
[05:04] <Omega11> hmm i am trying to crack my ubuntu does anyone have a serial number
[05:04] <hybrid_> MobyTurbo they really do? kool
[05:04] <Drizzt321> MobyTurbo: right, but the Federal government doesn't determine if it is a standard or not, it looks at what is out there and says we want this
[05:04] <MobyTurbo> hybrid_, Microsoft intentionally crippled their POSIX to be useless.
[05:04] <zombics> Omega11, lol? :P
[05:04] <Drizzt321> lol Omega11
[05:04] <topyli> zombics: what does gcc --version say?
[05:05] <zombics> topyli, cc (GCC) 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-9ubuntu5)
[05:05] <MobyTurbo> Drizzt321, they have regulations concerning what they accept during bidding.
[05:05] <hybrid_> MobyTurbo ; Microsoft cripples anything that gives the user more power then them
[05:05] <vixus> I need glib-2.0 -> libbonobo2-dev -> bremote
[05:05] <membreya> nautilus applications:///Internet : "applications:///Internet" is not a valid location.  what the?! why am I getting this message?
[05:05] <MobyTurbo> hybrid_, exactly.
[05:05] <vixus> What do I need to apt-get for glib-2.0 (dev)
[05:05] <MobyTurbo> hybrid_, look what they did to Java ("J++")
[05:05] <Drizzt321> MobyTurbo: yes, I know. I work around the aquasitions(sp?) people. thank god I don't actually have to do that stuff
[05:05] <hybrid_> and c#
[05:06] <topyli> zombics: hrmpf. strange
[05:06] <casimir> is there any way to get the deb packages from apt for nvidia to work with a different kernel version?
[05:06] <Drizzt321> MobyTurbo: but you're mistaken in saying that Federal Government makes standards. generally speaking, they don't, they simply look at what standards organizations have ratified, and chooses from there
[05:06] <MobyTurbo> hybrid_, Linux has C# too. Mono. :-)
[05:06] <MobyTurbo> Drizzt321, I didn't mean to imply that they are the authority behind POSIX.
[05:07] <hybrid_> MobyTurbo yea and it doesnt have all those wierd M$ warnings. but i havent go to play with mono much
[05:07] <Omega11> linux is the poor mans windows
[05:07] <Drizzt321> MobyTurbo: I understand that, but I thought you were implying that Fed Gov't makes/determines standards
[05:07] <hybrid_> isnt it the open soure dotnet
[05:07] <MobyTurbo> Omega11, no, Linux is the poor-man's Unix.
[05:07] <hybrid_> Omega11 ; Linux != windows
[05:08] <MobyTurbo> hybrid_, yes, Mono includes more than C#.
[05:08] <Omega11> yea but linux is better then unix
[05:08] <hybrid_> MobyTurbo Linux is also the free mans unix
[05:08] <hybrid_> Omega11 ; yea system V is obsolete
[05:08] <MobyTurbo> Linux has become better than any propritary version of Unix on the PC platform.
[05:08] <hybrid_> and if i am correct that is the newest version of unix
[05:08] <Bandit> "Linux; because a PC is a terrible thing to waste."
[05:08] <hybrid_> lol
[05:09] <Bandit> a useless operating system, copied directly from the Mac OS, which prior to that, copied it from IBM. It's sole purpose is to make users even more confused and drawing more stupid users to the Internet. see also conspiracy, microsoft, microsmurf
[05:09] <mz2> hmm i can't seem to get X.org to work with my ATi card on hoary
[05:09] <MobyTurbo> hybrid_, no, the clean-room *BSDs are newer.
[05:09] <mz2> the screen's all scrambled and the cursor's this weird box
[05:09] <Omega11> i use windows
[05:09] <Omega11> because it just works
[05:10] <Drizzt321> Omega11: sure, games always come out for windows first
[05:10] <mz2> the fglrx module doesn't work with the kernel version i'm using, it seems
[05:10] <hybrid_> MobyTurbo but they are UN*X not unix unless they got a liscence i could be wrong i dont pay much attention to BS
[05:10] <hybrid_> d
[05:10] <MobyTurbo> Omega11, then go to #windows and leave us alone.
[05:10] <mz2> i've tried compiling it but it says: Makefile:50: *** mixed implicit and normal rules.  Stop.
[05:10] <mz2> build failed with return value 2
[05:10] <Golfer> Omega11 thats why i am using Ubuntu :)
[05:10] <Drizzt321> mjr: better?
[05:10] <Omega11> tell me can you run essential software like microsoft office on your precious linux?
[05:10] <universal> Xine says maybe MRL syntax is wrong or file /stream source doesent exist when playing DVD's, why?
[05:10] <Drizzt321> Omega11: OO.org
[05:10] <hybrid_> how do you do the *blah   ?
[05:11] <MobyTurbo> hybrid_, Linux isn't Unix either by that definitition. Net2 and 4.4BSD and Linux both have no AT&T code.
[05:11] <Drizzt321> Omega11: KOffice
[05:11] <Golfer> Omega11 yes I am
[05:11] <MobyTurbo> hybrid_, shift-8
[05:11] <universal> hallo?
[05:11] <Omega11> can you play everquest two on your precious linux?
[05:11] <mjr> Drizzt321, not really; people keep feeding it and that just makes it stink up the place even more
[05:11] <Golfer> Omega11 actually I am using all the the Office Suite through linux
[05:11] <hybrid_> MobyTurbo ; yup but didnt sco have at&t code
[05:11] <Drizzt321> mjr: true. it is getting annoying
[05:12] <vixus> Drizzt321: I need glibc-2.0 for libbonobo.
[05:12] <Golfer> Omega11 for games I bought an Xbox
[05:12] <hybrid_> MobyTurbo ; oo just start with an asterick? ok thnx
[05:12] <hybrid_> lol
[05:12] <MobyTurbo> hybrid_, yes, because SCO sold propritary SysV Unix(tm)
[05:12] <hybrid_> MobyTurbo and isnt that why the are after my beloved big blue
[05:12] <vixus> Golfer: Xbox... for games?
[05:12] <Drizzt321> vixus: ?
[05:12] <vixus> Drizzt321, any idea what I need to apt-get?
[05:13] <vixus> Drizzt321, trying to compile Blue Remote :D
[05:13] <Omega11> xbox is owned my microsoft
[05:13] <Golfer> yep for games
[05:13] <Omega11> i thought u didn't like microsoft
[05:13] <hybrid_> Omega11 yup but linux is on alot of xboxes
[05:13] <Golfer> yep MS makes for awesome gameing
[05:13] <Drizzt321> vixus: not sure, I think 2.0 is probably in experimental...there might be a backport of it though, not really sure where you'd get a .deb of it though, sorry
[05:13] <vixus> Golfer, a Gamecube, or a PS2 at a stretch has actual GAMES.
[05:13] <vixus> :P
[05:14] <vixus> dern
[05:14] <Golfer> vixus you should get out a bit more
[05:14] <Golfer> http://www.microsoft.com/xbox/
[05:14] <hybrid_> did anyone every see Yoshi from the screen savers build his all in one gaming box?
[05:14] <Drizzt321> Golfer: actually, I thought it was Bungie that made for awsome gaming ;)
[05:14] <MobyTurbo> hybrid_, SCO sucked even amongst propritary Unixes. All they are now is a lawsuit company, their products are inferior in every way to open source Unix-like operating systems.
[05:15] <vixus> hybrid_ I read about it.
[05:15] <Golfer> Ok guys lets get back to what the channel is for
[05:15] <vixus> Yep:
[05:15] <vixus> can anyone decipher this:
[05:15] <hybrid_> MobyTurbo : yea my dad had some sco software at work and it sucked
[05:15] <hybrid_> vixus : yea it was kool
[05:16] <vixus> gcc -g -Wall -c remote.c `pkg-config libbonobo-2.0 --cflags | `Package glib-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. | Perhaps you should add the directory containing `glib-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable | Package 'glib-2.0', required by 'libbonobo', not found | remote.c:41:18: glib.h: No such file or directory
[05:17] <tritium> vixus, yeah, you don't have libglib2.0-dev installed
[05:17] <jbailey> vixus: libglib2.0-0-dev
[05:17] <vixus> thank you.
[05:17] <jbailey> err. libglib2.0-dev rather
[05:17] <Omega11> VIXUS STOP SPAMMING
[05:17] <Omega11> PASTE SOMEWHERE ELSE PLZ
[05:17] <Drizzt321> vixus: ahh...yea, thats a bit different then glibc
[05:17] <vixus> I pasted only one line.
[05:17] <Drizzt321> vixus: ignore him, he's trolling
[05:17] <Omega11> PASTE SOMEWHERE ELSE
[05:17] <lognok> sorry gys it was me
[05:17] <Omega11> DONT SPAM IT IRC
[05:17] <Omega11> FOO
[05:18] <lognok> sorry
[05:18] <jbailey> Hmm, objecting to a one line paste with yelling.  That's..  impressive. =)
[05:18] <mjr> lognok, what've you got to be sorry for, you're not Omega11? ;)
[05:18] <vixus> Omega, is that you? XD
[05:18] <Omega11>  gcc -g -Wall -c remote.c `pkg-config libbonobo-2.0 --cflags | `Package glib-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. | Perhaps you should add the directory containing `glib-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable | Package 'glib-2.0', required by 'libbonobo', not found | remote.c:41:18: glib.h: No such file or directory
[05:18] <mz2> FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10-3-686/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted
[05:18] <Omega11> WHAT
[05:18] <Omega11> THE HELL
[05:18] <mz2> what's that about?
[05:18] <Omega11> IS
[05:18] <Omega11> ALL
[05:18] <Omega11> THAT
[05:18] <Omega11> GIBBERISH?
[05:18] <Drizzt321> anyone in here go ops privs?
[05:18] <Drizzt321> got*
[05:19] <hybrid_> it is real l33t sp33k
[05:19] <lognok> thought that I was spamming
[05:19] <vixus> Heu look, Omegall did 4 lines in one!
[05:19] <mjr> ok, somebody kick him already; spamming _and_ trolling
[05:19] <Xenguy> !ops
[05:19] <Neil3> oh dear
[05:19] <Xenguy>  /ignore -replies Omega11
[05:19] <mjr> what an idiot
[05:20] <Rocha> Hello, i'm using ubuntu hoary and i have a dialup connectino
[05:20] <Rocha> ...connection
[05:20] <Neil3> escape at the mental hospital again eh?
[05:20] <Omega11> u have a dial up cock?
[05:20] <Drizzt321> heh
[05:20] <Welly> wow.. what's omega11's problem?
[05:20] <Rocha> when i'm using synaptic, i can't use another net app
[05:20] <Rocha> synaptic sucks all my bandwidth
[05:20] <hybrid_> *hybrid_ slaps Omega11
[05:20] <vixus> Now I need ORBit.
[05:20] <Rocha> Is this suposed to happen?
[05:21] <vixus> and it still can't find glib.h <_<
[05:21] <Drizzt321> Rocha: when it is downloading stuff, yes, expect that
[05:21] <hybrid_> MobyTurbo it didnt work it looks like a normal string when i hit shift 8
[05:21] <mjr> Welly, excess fucktardity
[05:21] <Welly> ah that'll be right
[05:21] <neom> It's ok, he's either 12 or didn't get laid last night.. or both.
[05:22] <vixus> Found it
[05:22] <Neil3> i don't know many 12 year olds getting laid
[05:22] <Drizzt321> Rocha: now, if you want to manually download all of the individual packages needed in a seperate download program to limit the usage, you can do so
[05:22] <mjr> neom, I'm kinda hopin' if he's 12 that he didn't get laid :)
[05:22] <Drizzt321> Neil3: do you know many 12 year olds at all?
[05:22] <Neil3> haha
[05:22] <neom> -never know-
[05:22] <Neil3> actually no
[05:22] <Drizzt321> lol
[05:22] <hybrid_> Xenguy are you on irssi
[05:22] <mjr> actually, I'm kinda hoping he didn't get laid, that might lead to breeding
[05:22] <vixus> Where is the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable?
[05:22] <vixus> o_O
[05:23] <Neil3> actually only the ones i used to teach at a school
[05:23] <Neil3> and i don't know if they were getting laid or not
[05:23] <Drizzt321> public school?
[05:23] <Neil3> never found the right way to ask them
[05:23] <vixus> Package ORBit-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. | Perhaps you should add the directory containing `ORBit-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable | Package 'ORBit-2.0', required by 'libbonobo', not found.
[05:23] <Drizzt321> lol
[05:23] <Neil3> secondary school
[05:23] <Rocha> Drizzt321, why doesn't it balance the load between other programs?
[05:24] <Drizzt321> Neil3: I'm sorry. My mom and dad are both teachers(well, dad is retired).
[05:24] <Neil3> hehe
[05:24] <vixus> Anyone? :D
[05:24] <Drizzt321> Rocha: because it doesn't really know that you want it to use a limited amount of bandwidth
[05:24] <Neil3> thats ok i don't work there anymore
[05:24] <Omega11> I KNOW A GOOD LINUX COMMAND
[05:24] <Drizzt321> Rocha: its not a bad idea though, maybe submit it as a feature request to the synaptic maintainer?
[05:24] <ups> vixus: you have the -dev installed?
[05:24] <Omega11> FIRST SU TOO ROOT
[05:24] <Omega11> THEN TYPE RM -RF /
[05:24] <Neil3> i do support/teaching at a university now
[05:25] <Omega11> AND WAIT FOR COMMMAND TO FINISH
[05:25] <Omega11> NEXT
[05:25] <vixus> ups, oh god, no.
[05:25] <Omega11> UR COMPUTER
[05:25] <Drizzt321> Neil3: better?
[05:25] <Omega11> WILL BE FASTER
[05:25] <Neil3> yeah its way better
[05:25] <Neil3> better equipment for me to use in my own time
[05:25] <Neil3> and adult students are hotter
[05:25] <Omega11> THRITY THREE PERCENT FASTER CPU TIME IF U DO RM -RF / AS ROOT
[05:25] <Drizzt321> Neil3: hehe, thats always nice. yea, my mom's school(where I also went, uck) has way too much politics
[05:25] <mz2> could somebody please kickban that drooling idiot
[05:25] <vixus> ups: Where can I get it?
[05:25] <Omega11> SO A THREE GIGAHERZ WILL BE FOUR GIGAHERZ
[05:26] <Omega11> COOL HUH
[05:26] <Drizzt321> Neil3: heh, yes, and the ones not in your class are actually legal
[05:26] <chrismir> pffff. any ops?
[05:26] <Neil3> yeah
[05:26] <ups> vixus: you should install liborbit2-dev from synaptic
[05:26] <Neil3> its great
[05:26] <Drizzt321> lol
[05:26] <Neil3> i support lots of different classes
[05:26] <Neil3> so get to meet lots and lots of them
[05:26] <MobyTurbo> it's so easy to /ignore with xchat....
[05:26] <vixus> Hard Drive Space: Normal Person: 25% / 1000GB | Omegall 05% / 0.1KB
[05:26] <hybrid_> and irssi
[05:26] <vixus> ok ups
[05:27] <Drizzt321> Neil3: sweet
[05:27] <hybrid_> lol
[05:27] <vixus> thanks
[05:27] <MobyTurbo> hybrid_, true, but xchat lets you ignore with a mouse click. :-)
[05:27] <vixus> ups
[05:27] <vixus> isn't ignore wonderful?
[05:27] <hybrid_> oo lol
[05:27] <ups> vixus: np ;)
[05:27] <hybrid_> yup
[05:27] <ups> ofcourse, ignore is nice
[05:27] <hybrid_> MobyTurbo i love irssi and i am a newbie lol
[05:28] <AngryClip> kvirc :D
[05:28] <vixus> how do I check how much disk space I am using up / left?
[05:28] <AngryClip> I demand a gui!
[05:28] <MobyTurbo> hybrid_, irssi is an excellent chat client.
[05:28] <hybrid_> MobyTurbo yes way better than bitchx
[05:28] <vixus> bremote compiled!
[05:28] <xevil> vixus df
[05:28] <MobyTurbo> hybrid_, sticking table knifes into electric sockets is better than bitchx
[05:29] <hybrid_> MobyTurbo lol
[05:30] <vixus> xevil ?
[05:30] <Omega11> XCHAT IS THE BEST CHAT KLIENT FOR UNIXEZ
[05:30] <Omega11> BUT MIRC IS STILL BETTER
[05:30] <LinuxJones> Omega11, stop please
[05:30] <xevil> vixus checking free disk space... man df
[05:30] <ups> vixus: df -h
[05:30] <Omega11> FUCK U LINUX JONES
[05:30] <vixus> oh, thanks
[05:30] <LinuxJones> Omega11, umm
[05:30] <vixus> :D
[05:31] <AngryClip> I really like kvirc
[05:31] <vixus> I need to bind my phone to a /dev now, oh boy.
[05:31] <Neil3> Omega11, please don't be a poopoo head it really doesn't make you look good
[05:31] <Golfer> I guess all of us ignoring Omega11 works....he shut up
[05:31] <AngryClip> it's jsut annoying that the one included in the reposerties
[05:31] <Neil3> or smell good for that matter
[05:31] <LinuxJones> jdub, daniels, mdz anybody there omega needs to be kicked
[05:31] <AngryClip> is really old, and doesn't come with multi server abilitys
[05:31] <Omega11> LINUX JONES STFU
[05:31] <Bandit> and if you guys have not put him on ignor you should
[05:32] <will> Omega11: you need to watch your tone little boy
[05:32] <Omega11> IM NOT LITTLE I WEIGH FOUR HUNDREAD LBS
[05:32] <Omega11> FAG
[05:32] <will> none  of that in here
[05:32] <xevil> someone shoot off his capslock key...
[05:32] <ups> will: no use in feeding the troll ;)
[05:32] <Bandit> Guys just put him on ignore
[05:32] <will> thats true
[05:32] <Omega11> DO NOT IGNORRE
[05:32] <Omega11> ME
[05:32] <Omega11> FOOZ
[05:33] <vixus> it's fun listening to them too
[05:33] <vixus> They just seem so... pathetic
[05:33] <rubixXx> who is that
[05:33] <Drizzt321> lol @ vixus
[05:33] <ups> yup, thats why i havent ignored him :)
[05:33] <Golfer> listening to who?? :)
[05:33] <rubixXx> me
[05:34] <vixus> Golfer: Omegall
[05:34] <Omega11> do
[05:34] <Omega11> i
[05:34] <Omega11> reall
[05:34] <Omega11> y
[05:34] <Omega11> seem
[05:34] <Omega11> pathtic
[05:34] <Omega11> i
[05:34] <Omega11> am
[05:34] <Omega11> genius
[05:34] <Omega11> in
[05:34] <Omega11> real
[05:34] <Omega11> life
[05:34] <Golfer> vixus yes I know, I was kidding
[05:34] <Omega11> i
[05:34] <Omega11> have
[05:34] <Omega11> a
[05:34] <Omega11> phd
[05:34] <kbrooks> Hi. I need some assistance.
[05:34] <will> zzz
[05:34] <Omega11> in coimputer
[05:34] <Omega11> sci
[05:34] <Omega11> and
[05:34] <vixus> sucking
[05:34] <rubixXx> owww my face hurts
[05:34] <Omega11> in
[05:34] <Golfer> hey kbrooks
[05:34] <Omega11> mathz
[05:34] <Golfer> what are you needing
[05:34] <vixus> coimputer sci and sucking. Amazing.
[05:35] <kbrooks> I want to print stuff on my printer
[05:35] <MobyTurbo> kbrooks, let us know what the problem is.
[05:35] <kbrooks> vixus
[05:35] <vixus> Now, I need to bind my phone to a device or something.
[05:35] <vixus> kbrooks?
[05:35] <kbrooks> computer science and math
[05:35] <vixus> Now the way I see it. ;)
[05:35] <Golfer> kbrooks why cant you print
[05:35] <kbrooks> MobyTurbo, *continuing* but i cant
[05:35] <CubicllyCentric> arg... morning all
[05:36] <kbrooks> whats the port to access cups web configuration
[05:36] <kbrooks> http://localhost:port/
[05:36] <LinuxJones> kbrooks, 631
[05:36] <will> that was amusing
[05:36] <MobyTurbo> kbrooks, you can't configure it directly via cups, it's disabled. Use "Computer / System Configuration / Printing"
[05:37] <AngryClip> how does one see what services are starting at boot up, and know if they are safe to disable?
[05:38] <AngryClip> is there some super documentation on that stuff somewhere?
[05:38] <vixus> How the heck do I bind my phone to an RFCOMM device?
[05:39] <MobyTurbo> AngryClip, the docs for particular services *may* be in /usr/share/doc or the manpages.
[05:39] <WillCooke> Can somone running Hoary with alsa sound try something for me?
[05:39] <mz2> phew, turned out the fglrx module was fine (that error msg i saw in the log was from an earlier bootup). but i did have to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to get it to work after dist-upgrade
[05:39] <sjoerd> vixus: rfcomm --help :)
[05:39] <mz2> is that normal or did something go wrong with my dist-upgrade?
[05:39] <vixus> thanks sjoerd
[05:39] <MobyTurbo> mz2, it's probably normal. I wouldn't worry about it.
[05:40] <vixus> sjoerd, what is bdaddress?
[05:40] <vixus> sjoerd, what is bdaddr?
[05:40] <sjoerd> vixus: bluetooth address of your phone
[05:40] <seacyd> Hello, in Epiphany there is a new "work offline" toggle in file. Is there a way to switch this off? (Have just upgrade to hoary)
[05:41] <sjoerd> vixus: you cna use hcitool scan to find the bluetooth devices in the neighbourhood
[05:41] <website> seacyd, maybe it is a new feature of that browser
[05:42] <Golfer> AngryClip also in /etc/rc3.d  all that start with k are shutdown when you shutdown and all with an S tart when you boot
[05:42] <drasko> hello evrybody
[05:42] <hybrid_> in irssi can i type slash help command and find out about that command
[05:42] <seacyd> website: yes, but I can nowhere find how to turn it off. Everytime I start the browser the standard is "work offline".
[05:42] <kbrooks> thx all
[05:43] <mz2> is there a way to make apt-get not complain about the gpg keys for the repositories fow which it's missing?
[05:43] <vixus> sjoerd, done that, it lists my phone.
[05:43] <vixus> now what?
[05:43] <mz2> can't find anything from atp.conf, sources.list or apt-get man pages at least
[05:44] <LinuxJones> mz2, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary/view?searchterm=gpg%20apt
[05:45] <theweb> Anyone who can give a helping hand for getting my sound working? There seems no /dev/dsp, so how to make this /dsp available ind /dev??
[05:45] <casimir> I'm going to restart to see if the latest kernel helps out with these nvidia problems, anyone else know of some dead chickens I can wave at it?
[05:46] <vixus> sjoerd, "Can't create device. Operation not permitted."
[05:46] <mz2> LinuxJones, thanks
[05:46] <Drizzt321> gah, such cheap RAM, but I've spent so much otherwise in the past few weeks. must. resist. temptation.
[05:47] <sjoerd> vixus: you'll need to run it as root
[05:47] <hybrid_brb> *laufs at Drizz321
[05:47] <Drizzt321> hybrid_brb: dude, 512meg ddr400 for $40 after mail in rebates
[05:48] <hybrid_> 512? wow
[05:48] <vixus> lol, sorry sjoerd. I thought my phone was denying
[05:48] <Drizzt321> hybrid_: yea, offer good throguh the end of today. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=586829&Tab=5
[05:48] <hybrid_> Drizz321 is it a certain brand or a depot with it on sale?
[05:48] <Drizzt321> hybrid_: ultra brand
[05:49] <hybrid_> kool
[05:49] <Drizzt321> hybrid_: seems ok, pretty slow(cl3), but I wouldn't be using this for games or anything
[05:49] <deepsight> hallo ubuntunites, does anybody knows if i can put kernel 2.6.10 in warty via apt-get?
[05:49] <hybrid_> Drizz321 : idk if i can use it with my ibook
[05:50] <Drizzt321> hybrid_: you won't, its not sodimm ddr, its standard sized ddr
[05:50] <vixus> sjoerd, bremote won't connect with my phone.
[05:50] <Golfer> deepsight why not just upgrade warty to hoary
[05:50] <Drizzt321> hybrid_: laptops use 200pin sodimm ddr modules, not 184 pin dimm ddr modules
[05:50] <deepsight> Golfer, im afraid everything breaks apart, im a newb
[05:50] <hybrid_> Drizz321 : @#@#&$^$#(@.... oic
[05:50] <vixus> deepsight: apt-get install kernel-2.6.10 ?
[05:50] <vixus> XD
[05:51] <vixus> sjoerd, Any ideas?
[05:51] <Golfer> deepsight :) its working very good for me
[05:51] <sjoerd> vixus: dunno how that works
[05:51] <deepsight> okey then
[05:51] <deepsight> there i go
[05:51] <Golfer> :)
[05:51] <sjoerd> vixus: you can test the rfcomm connecint with something like minicom though....
[05:51] <deepsight> the thing is that my usb hard drive is not working here with 2.6.8
[05:52] <deepsight> and i read somewhere that they fixed something in .10
[05:52] <Drizzt321> hrm...so hoary is newer than warty? I though warty was the latest?
[05:52] <vixus> sjoerd: Minicom?!!
[05:52] <deepsight> hoary is testing i think
[05:52] <Drizzt321> ahh
[05:52] <Golfer> Drizzt321 warty is the latest stable
[05:52] <Golfer> hoary is scheduled to be released in April
[05:52] <MobyTurbo> deepsight, more like unstable
[05:52] <Drizzt321> Golfer: ah, I see. if I'm used to debian/testing, would I probably prefer warty or hoary?
[05:52] <sjoerd> vixus: serial console program
[05:52] <vixus> sjoerd: rfcomm0: 0F:00:00:00:00:00 channel 1 closed
[05:52] <deepsight> oh, thanks
[05:53] <sjoerd> vixus: that's a strange bt address
[05:53] <MobyTurbo> Drizzt321, hoary is sort of a cross between testing, in that it eventually becomes stable, and unstable, in that things get broken a bit.
[05:53] <deepsight> i remember like 4 years ago i had debian unstable and weird things happened :D
[05:53] <vixus> yep
[05:53] <eKLim> hie... anyone knows how to configure USB DSL modem?
[05:53] <Drizzt321> MobyTurbo: ok, so its probably closer to sid/unstable in the debian world?
[05:53] <vixus> I also tried hcitool cc FoxT610
[05:53] <Golfer> Drizzt321 if your used to testing and dont mind it hoary is the way to go
[05:54] <vixus> Can't create connection: Connection timed out
[05:54] <hybrid_> is warty the first ubuntu version
[05:54] <Drizzt321> Golfer: well, I have never really found any real issue with debian/testing in terms of things breaking
[05:54] <Golfer> like i said no problems here
[05:54] <deepsight> glibc broke in old times and it was not nice
[05:54] <deepsight> ancient times
[05:54] <Drizzt321> Golfer: so you got hoary and in general use, no issues?
[05:55] <Bandit> deepsight no troubles here either
[05:55] <hybrid_> is hoary based on sarge or sid
[05:55] <deepsight> nice, so there i go
[05:55] <MobyTurbo> Drizzt321, hoary does have things breaking. If you're willing to put up with that it could be fun. Personally I'm running warty, but that's partially because I don't have broadband.
[05:55] <MobyTurbo> hybrid_, both are based on sid, except Hoary is more on the bleeding edge (stuff like xorg and gnome 2.9) than Sid.
[05:55] <Bandit> deepsight  I am running a small server on it with no problems Server Uptime 4 days, 1:53:16
[05:56] <Drizzt321> MobyTurbo: have you heard of things breaking all the time, or just now and then?
[05:56] <Bandit> but its what ever turns you on :)
[05:56] <hybrid_> MobyTurbo ; o ok so hoary is more in developement then sid
[05:56] <Drizzt321> MobyTurbo: since I kind of want newer than debian/testing, but I don't think I'm ready for bleeding edge released yesterday kind of thing
[05:56] <deepsight> Bandit, ok ill adventure and see what happens, what i want to see is if it supports my usb external hd cradle
[05:56] <MobyTurbo> Drizzt321, things break constantly, but nothing so bad that you have to reinstall like sid used to do.
[05:57] <Drizzt321> MobyTurbo: ahhh. would it make more sense to install warty, and see if I want to upgrade to hoary then?
[05:57] <MobyTurbo> Drizzt321, of course, that doesn't mean that *can't* happen...
[05:57] <Drizzt321> MobyTurbo: heh, indeed.
[05:57] <MobyTurbo> Drizzt321, sure. You can always dist-upgrade.
[05:58] <Drizzt321> MobyTurbo: yea, I think thats what I'll do. Also because I already have the warty amd64 install disk burnt. lol
[05:58] <MobyTurbo> Drizzt321, AMD64? You rock. ;-)
[05:58] <Golfer> Drizzt321 http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ why not check there  there maybe an answer to your usb
[05:58] <Drizzt321> MobyTurbo: yea, _JUST_ got it. primarily for games, so I have windows on it, but I want to try the whole linux only including games things. with transgaming
[05:59] <Drizzt321> Golfer: wrong person ;)
[05:59] <Drizzt321> MobyTurbo: also a 6800 GT PCI-Express =D
[05:59] <Golfer> opps sorry
[05:59] <Neil3> hoary should be a nice release :)
[05:59] <hybrid_> unless u r on ppc
[05:59] <MobyTurbo> Drizzt321, Linux supports roguelike games better than Windows. :-)
[05:59] <hybrid_> gnome only worx for me in fail safe :p
[05:59] <Drizzt321> MobyTurbo: don't I know it. I just keep coming back to nethack, I can't stay away!
[06:00] <Pointwood> have anyone experienced problems with adding new items to the menu? I right click, enter the relevant info and clicks ok and nothing happens :(
[06:00] <choisy> is gksu working for anyone in today's hoary?
[06:00] <mz2> does cedega work on hoary (or rather, X.org) well?
[06:00] <MobyTurbo> Drizzt321, have you tried crawl (Lindsey's Dungeon Crawl)? That one is nice.
[06:00] <Drizzt321> MobyTurbo: no, not yet
[06:01] <Drizzt321> mz2: cedega isn't X11/X.org specific, that I am aware of
[06:01] <Drizzt321> mz2: it just uses the libs that talk to the server. from what I understand of it
[06:01] <MobyTurbo> Drizzt321, I like the way Nethack has a kitchen sink. ;-)
[06:01] <Drizzt321> MobyTurbo: yup. literally, everything possible :)
[06:01] <mz2> Drizzt321, I know it shouldn't be, but I just know from reading earlier on that there have been problems with it on X.org
[06:01] <Drizzt321> mz2: there have? hmmm
[06:02] <Drizzt321> mz2: you heard anything about an amd64 compile version of cedega?
[06:02] <mz2> wouldn't really know
[06:02] <Drizzt321> damn
[06:03] <[sys] > i'm having problems installing ubuntu on both my vmware and my laptop. is this the place to ask for some guidance?
[06:04] <housetier> it is
[06:04] <[sys] > niceness... :)
[06:04] <[sys] > i've downloaded the warty-install iso, and it fails the cd-integrity test
[06:05] <[sys] > is it a known feature? should I download it again? in vmware I mount the iso directly, so I don't think the plastic is bad
[06:05] <Drizzt321> [sys] : yes, you should download it again
[06:06] <[sys] > ah. oki. i'll try.
[06:06] <Drizzt321> [sys] : if it fails the integrity test
[06:07] <[sys] > there is no image like the debian netinstall? a minimal thingie that downloads the packages...
[06:07] <deepsight> creepy flashback going to unstable things...
[06:08] <Drizzt321> [sys] : not sure, I don't think so
[06:08] <[sys] > k
[06:08] <[sys] > thank you drizz. i'll try downloading it again.
[06:09] <Drizzt321> [sys] : you're welcome. you might want to try downloading it via bittorrent
[06:09] <[sys] > bah... am downloading it now at 2mbit/s... enough for me :)
[06:09] <Drizzt321> [sys] : it probably is more reliable since bittorent ensures that the file you get, is exactly the file you wanted
[06:09] <Drizzt321> lol, ok
[06:09] <looksaus> I'm looking for a Hoary package of vnc2swf
[06:10] <looksaus> anyone?
[06:10] <Psyk[o] > I'm going to install windows on my hd... after the installation how I can reverto the boot-manager to grub? (I dont have a floppy drive :()
[06:11] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : do you have an ubunto live cd, or knoppix?
[06:11] <Psyk[o] > yes, I've knobbix but i can burn the ubuntu live
[06:12] <rubixXx> psyko you will have to reinstall your boot loader
[06:12] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : well, if you have knoppix you can still boot it, and then reinstall grub
[06:12] <rubixXx> yep
[06:12] <rubixXx> if not you getta do it command line
[06:12] <Psyk[o] > yes, but how?
[06:12] <Psyk[o] > I dont know how i can reinstall grub :(
[06:14] <_4strO|Ult1m4t3> mIRC v6.14 Khaled Mardam-Bey
[06:14] <CubicllyCentric> ok so I have this odd problem. ..
[06:15] <CubicllyCentric> When I'm running Gnome... something is writing to my HDD every 4 seconds or so... on the dot...
[06:15] <spiral> hybrid_: hmmm... why a CTCP version ?
[06:15] <CubicllyCentric> it's not writing much... about 20k or so.. .but annoying as hell.
[06:15] <hybrid_> spiral idk all i did was type slash ver to see what it would do
[06:16] <Psyk[o] > Drizzt321, btw, when I've installed windows I'll return here with knoppix :) I whish you will help me ;)
[06:16] <CubicllyCentric> How would I go about seeing what is being writen to my drive?
[06:16] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : I'll be around
[06:16] <spiral> hybrid_: all right... I bet the answer won't help you much :-p
[06:16] <Drizzt321> Psyk[o] : far as I know right now anyways
[06:16] <CubicllyCentric> Like top but for hdd writes/reads.
[06:16] <Psyk[o] > eheheh, thx dude
[06:16] <CubicllyCentric> anyone?
[06:16] <Psyk[o] > se you leater ;)
[06:16] <hybrid_> spiral ; nope not at all
[06:17] <hybrid_> spiral what is ctcp
[06:17] <hybrid_> hey tritium
[06:17] <tritium> hybrid_, hello
[06:18] <CubicllyCentric> ok ANYONE, please, do any of you know if there is a tool to see what process is accessing a device in real time... like top for HDD writes/reads???
[06:18] <Golfer> hybrid_ ctcp = Client To Client Protocol.  More info about CTCP can be found @ http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/misc/ctcpspec.html  :)
[06:18] <hybrid_> ok tnx
[06:19] <tritium> CubicllyCentric, lsof
[06:19] <TSWoodV> CubicllyCentric, look at fuser or psof
[06:19] <[sys] > drizz: now it doesn't fail the integrity test. hooray!
[06:19] <CubicllyCentric> tritium, lsof, far to much output to go over...
[06:20] <TSWoodV> CubicllyCentric, lsof, my bad.'
[06:20] <CubicllyCentric> TSWoodV, fuser and psof... I'll take  a look at these, thanks.
[06:20] <TSWoodV> Anyone else seeing lockups in firefox in hoary?>
[06:20] <Drizzt321> [sys] : should be good now :)
[06:21] <scoon> TSWoodV, yes and no.
[06:21] <scoon> TSWoodV, i think it is either the flash or java plugin getting thrown some bad code and killing X
[06:21] <[sys] > drizz: will the installer setup grub so it dual boots between my gentoo and ubuntu?
[06:21] <ssamf> the find as you type in firefox sometimes goes crazy
[06:21] <Drizzt321> [sys] : I believe it detects other install OSes
[06:21] <TSWoodV> I'm not running those plugins.  I straced firefox and found it was trying to access /dev/dsp.
[06:22] <CubicllyCentric> Can I make lsof only show processes that have accessed a file within the past few seconds?
[06:22] <TSWoodV> I'm thinking we're back to the nasty old esd problems again...
[06:22] <scoon> TSWoodV, prolly thru the flash plugin
[06:22] <scoon> or because of.
[06:22] <vixus> Blue Remote rocks!
[06:22] <scoon> TSWoodV, but it only happens to me if i have a bunch of tabs open
[06:22] <vixus> Hey, can I create a launcher that carries out two commands?
[06:23] <eKLim> hie... anyone knows how to configure USB DSL modem?
[06:23] <binks> anyone no enemy-territory
[06:23] <TSWoodV> CubicllyCentric, I think lsof shows you a snapshot of what's open right now.  Create a script that runs lsof over and over and redirects the output to a file.
[06:23] <TSWoodV> scoon, I've not loaded any plugins - no flash, no java.
[06:23] <CubicllyCentric> TSWoodV, ok... but then I'd have a large file and no way to use it...
[06:24] <TSWoodV> scoon, I've gotten it to fail once with just a single tab.
[06:24] <TSWoodV> CubicllyCentric, what is it you need to do?
[06:24] <scoon> TSWoodV, sorry then, i don't know.  but I get your problem from time to time with many tabs and flash
[06:24] <scoon> TSWoodV, all tho, it used to be worse.
[06:25] <vixus> can i create launchers that carry out two (or more) commands?
[06:25] <scoon> TSWoodV, it was real bad cuz my agp card and 1pci slot were sharing irq's
[06:25] <binks> how do i set permissions on a folder so anyone can read/write
[06:25] <TSWoodV> scoon, I thought I'd mangled my profile, but that's not the case either.
[06:25] <CubicllyCentric> TSWoodV, something is writing 20k or so to my drive every 4 seconds... like clockwork. I need to find out what it is, because it only happens in Gnome.
[06:25] <hybrid_> binks try chmod
[06:25] <scoon> TSWoodV, i fixed that and the crashing almost never happens now.
[06:25] <dutch> how do I change the path for the Download Manager ?
[06:25] <scoon> TSWoodV, don't know if that would be something for you to check
[06:26] <vixus> Or should I do a shell script>
[06:26] <binks> but what code do i use
[06:26] <topyli> vixus: sure, but the second one won't run until the other has finishsed
[06:26] <hybrid_> man chmod
[06:27] <Golfer> CubicllyCentric have you checked to see what processes are running
[06:27] <topyli> vixus: so you can't use something like 'mozilla ; gnome-mines' i guess
[06:27] <vixus> ok
[06:27] <CubicllyCentric> Golfer, yes... but seeing what's running does not help me find out which one it is...
[06:28] <CubicllyCentric> Golfer, it's to small of a write to make the process stand out in top.
[06:28] <binks> chso i would use man chmod usr/local/mydir
[06:28] <Golfer> CubicllyCentric well you may want to close some and see if anything you close stops it
[06:29] <Golfer> that should answer your question
[06:30] <TSWoodV> scoon, this just started about 3 days ago.
[06:30] <scoon> TSWoodV, ah.  this has been going on for me during warty and hoary
[06:30] <CubicllyCentric> Golfer,  I've done that before... in my Gnome2.6/slackware days... it's odd, I only note this on my home system and Gnome2.6+... every other system I've put something gnome based does not act like this.
[06:30] <TSWoodV> CubicllyCentric, I've scanned the manpage for lsof.  There are some options in there for limiting the search to specific directories.  I'm guessing you know the filesystem that's getting written, right?
[06:31] <TSWoodV> scoon, it only seems to happen on the hoary laptop.  I've got a strange, small form factor desktop that doesn't do this.
[06:32] <CubicllyCentric> TSWoodV, yah, I'm reading the man page right now too... I'm guessing it's my root filesystem, because I don't partition my drive past swap and /.
[06:32] <scoon> TSWoodV, x86 lappy ?
[06:32] <TSWoodV> scoon, P4
[06:32] <scoon> TSWoodV, x86.  dunno, sorry.  my story is different.
[06:33] <rubixXx> where is the new gnome desktop dir
[06:33] <TSWoodV> scoon, anyway, if I kill the esd daemon, I don't have the problem any more.
[06:33] <Merlin7000> hi there... why cant i get my ati and ubuntu to work... i have tried the guides out there but, when i boot up after the installtion it wont start the X, my xf86config is cleared and i can't make any other things than reinstalling the os, what am i during wrong ?
[06:34] <darkcmd> does ubuntu come with synaptic
[06:34] <TSWoodV> darkcmd, yes.
[06:34] <scoon> TSWoodV, maybe it is an irq issue w/ your sound card ?
[06:34] <TSWoodV> darkcmd, look under the desktop menu -> administration
[06:34] <Merlin7000> someone plz help me i realy like ubuntu
[06:34] <binks> merlin install fg driver throu symantic the edit x86config to reflect the driver
[06:35] <scoon> TSWoodV, maybe check your irq's, just to be certain
[06:35] <deepsight> :( the hoary upgrade stops here Automatically selecting en_US.UTF-8 locale in addition to en_US.
[06:35] <Merlin7000> have done that.. anyone with ati cards wont to help ?
[06:35] <binks> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5246
[06:36] <binks> i did it this morning m8
[06:36] <TSWoodV> scoon, all is good. ACPI is actually working as it should (hallelujah!).  It's just the age old problem of esd hogging /dev/dsp.  And that's even with alsa installed.  One of the days it just might get sorted out...
[06:36] <darkcmd> where can I get some ubuntu screenshots?
[06:36] <darkcmd> also, does ubuntu use the standard debian repositories?
[06:37] <Agrajag> gnome looks pretty much the same no matter the distribution, and no
[06:37] <klaym> www.kotiposti.net/jisometsa/Kuvakaappaus.png <- there's my ubuntu desktop
[06:37] <Merlin7000> binks, thats the guide i have been using
[06:37] <binks> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/screenshots/document_view
[06:37] <darkcmd> does it use ubuntu specific repositories>
[06:37] <TSWoodV> darkcmd, ubuntu uses the debian repos.  Just be careful that you don't run apt-get dist-upgrade.  You'll be back to debian stock in no time...
[06:37] <drasko> darkcmd, no, it has it't own,
[06:37] <darkcmd> so it uses it's own or the debian ones?
[06:38] <drasko> darkcmd,  but you can add any repository you want...
[06:38] <Agrajag> TSWoodV: what, no it doesn't
[06:38] <TSWoodV> darkcmd, drasko is correct in that there are specific ubuntu repos.  You can add the debian ones back in in just about amount you'd like.
[06:38] <Agrajag> you CAN, but you shouldn't, and they're not in sources.list unless you add them yourself
[06:38] <darkcmd> nah i would just like to use the ubuntu ones
[06:38] <darkcmd> if I do dist upgrade with the ubunto ones
[06:38] <drasko> darkcmd, just edit /etc/apt/sources-list
[06:38] <darkcmd> am I safe
[06:39] <TSWoodV> Agrajag, I'm running universe against this hoary and am having no problems.  With the right sources.list, you'll be just fine.
[06:39] <drasko> darkcmd, I agree...
[06:39] <scoon> so, if someone added all debian repos and then did a dist-upgrade this would not be ubuntu anymore ?
[06:39] <davix> need help, I can hear music in the gnome music player, but not in the other audio applications... any ideas?
[06:39] <drasko> darkcmd, otherwise, you'll get Srage
[06:39] <scoon> could the ubuntu repos then be added back and dist-upgrade back to ubuntu
[06:39] <TSWoodV> darkcmd, there's documentation IIRC in the faq at ubuntulinux.com about this.
[06:40] <TSWoodV> davix, warty or hoary?
[06:40] <drasko> scoon, right
[06:40] <davix> hoary
[06:40] <davix> upgraded from warty
[06:40] <scoon> drasko, hmmm.  that's kinda cool
[06:40] <stuNNed_> topyli: ok! thanks! :D
[06:40] <scoon> drasko, anyone done that in here ?
[06:40] <darkcmd> TSWoodV, is warty the latest release, and is it based on sarge?
[06:40] <drasko> scoon, yes, I did it myself...
[06:40] <TSWoodV> davix, same here.  It's all related to that dreaded esd and blocking against /dev/dsp.
[06:41] <scoon> drasko, any problems ?
[06:41] <davix> TSWoodV, erm, any ideas of how to fix it?
[06:41] <topyli> stuNNed_: yeah i put something in. at least there's a link to the manual :)
[06:41] <TSWoodV> darkcmd, warty is first and current release.  hoary is scheduled for release later this year.  It's pretty good as it it.
[06:42] <TSWoodV> darkcmd, as it IS
[06:42] <drasko> scoon, nope... it even changes your desktop theme and your spalsh... Justa that several packages are held back and not upgraded
[06:42] <darkcmd> I'm downloading Ubunto for my dad
[06:42] <darkcmd> right now
[06:42] <davix> hoary is rather nice, will get better as it seems from this pov.
[06:43] <drasko> scoon, I still keep ubuntu repositories as well... So I've got some kind of mix on my machine... but it works great.
[06:43] <scoon> drasko, thanks.  i was always wondering about that.
[06:43] <darkcmd> what version of gnome is in the stable release atm
[06:43] <TSWoodV> davix, try Desktop -> Preferences -> Sound and uncheck the box that talks about sound server startup.  I've not checked to see what downside this has.
[06:43] <stuNNed_> topyli: good enought really the 'info' is all we need :D
[06:43] <davix> ok TSWoodV brb
[06:44] <TSWoodV> davix, then pkill -9 esd
[06:44] <davix> done
[06:44] <drasko> scoon, you're welcome..
[06:45] <davix> TSWoodV, works like a charm :)
[06:45] <topyli> darkcmd: 2.8.1
[06:45] <darkcmd> I'
[06:45] <pythonist> Hi everyone...
[06:45] <darkcmd> I'm gonna get ubuntu via the torrent I think
[06:46] <TSWoodV> davix, good.  Now let's figure out what that screwed up.  Does xmms/soundjuicer/rhythmbox/gnome system sound/etc. get affected?
[06:46] <pythonist> I've installed a minimal ubuntu on my DSL gw...
[06:46] <davix> let me check
[06:46] <pythonist> but I've got problems...
[06:46] <pythonist> I can ping anything from any host inside my private lan
[06:46] <TSWoodV> davix, seems that gnome sounds (window openings, etc.) don't work.
[06:46] <davix> yeah
[06:46] <davix> they dont work
[06:46] <pythonist> but no internal host can connect trough http...
[06:47] <davix> erm is there an open bug report on this one?
[06:47] <pythonist> I can ssh to an external host
[06:47] <Drizzt321> pythonist: do you have NAT setup and working?
[06:47] <pythonist> Drizzt321: yep.
[06:47] <pythonist> Drizzt321: I can ssh to an external host,
[06:47] <Drizzt321> pythonist: oh. hrm
[06:47] <pythonist> Drizzt321: but as I type ls -l on a long directory
[06:47] <pythonist> Drizzt321: the connection just hang...
[06:47] <Freedomzen> ive got a quick question I have an amd64 proc running at 2.2 Ghz but cat /proc/cpuinfo shows that it's running at 1 Ghz
[06:47] <cindux> =/
[06:48] <pythonist> Drizzt321: everything works find from the gw itself...
[06:48] <bc> davix, did you check everything related to audio in Synaptic, with the universal repositories included?
[06:48] <bc> I had problems like yours, and just very unscientifically added packages till stuff worked
[06:48] <Drizzt321> pythonist: I'm not sure. I never had an issue like that with my own gateway
[06:48] <bc> probably a dumb way to do it
[06:48] <pythonist> Drizzt321: ok...
[06:48] <cindux> er..
[06:49] <pythonist> Anyone got a problem like mine? I use Warty...
[06:49] <cindux> sorry = /
[06:49] <cindux> but i am having problems with shutting down
[06:49] <davix> bc, i wil
[06:49] <cindux> on my compaq it would say "Power Down." & I could turn it off manually
[06:49] <davix> err, terminatorX just killde my mouse
[06:49] <davix> errr
[06:50] <cindux> now on my new pc it says "ACPI Power Down."
[06:50] <cindux> i dont think i shold be doing it manually
[06:50] <cindux> it lags my boot up
[06:50] <Drizzt321> hrm? what the heck is grumpy and perky?
[06:50] <TSWoodV> cindux, some machines' BIOS aren't really fully ACPI compliant.  This causes problems like you're having.
[06:51] <cindux> so do i have to keep doing it manually ?
[06:51] <cindux> everytime i do, start ups hang more
[06:51] <TSWoodV> cindux, see if there's a BIOS upgrade for your machinel.
[06:52] <TSWoodV> cindux, you can also add "noacpi" to your grub configuration.
[06:52] <TSWoodV> cindux, this will treat the machine like an APM box.
[06:52] <cindux> hm
[06:53] <darkcmd> how many packages are in ubuntus repository compared to debian?
[06:54] <Allen> can some one help me in setting up ubuntu for a development box
[06:55] <cindux> ask away?
[06:55] <drasko> darkcmd, I guess you'll find everything that you lookin' for in Ubuntu :)
[06:55] <Allen> i need stuff like cross compiler for arm etc...
[06:55] <Allen> i guess i have to build them from sources
[06:56] <Allen> thats what i have been doing
[06:56] <Allen> is there a way i can get them from synaptic
[06:56] <TSWoodV> Allen, just add the debian repos to your sources.list
[06:57] <Allen> thnks
[06:57] <Allen> i am new to this ...i havent used debian before..
[06:57] <Drizzt321> wtf? whats the default root password?
[06:57] <Allen> so i am finding it a little difficult to move around
[06:57] <drasko> Allen, do the refresh when you get in Synaptic, also...
[06:57] <Jelte> hi there... I've tried to install winxp next to my ubuntu, however it seems to have failed in a bad way ;-(   cant boot anymore... so I thought I'd need to 'grub-install /dev/hda' to get things back to working, but (using knoppix and chroot /dev/hda1) if i do grub-install it says /dev/null permission denied ?  its crw-rw-rw- so why is it not allowed?
[06:57] <pythonist> Where's the kernel configuration used by Ubuntu?
[06:57] <Allen> sure
[06:58] <Allen> and there in one more prob that i came across
[06:58] <drasko> Allen, but my advice is to go from the cosole, with apt-get build-dep <package>
[06:58] <Drizzt321> nm, I sudo'd passwd and changed it
[06:58] <cindux> er help me hardware moronic ass lol
[06:58] <Allen> when running the kernel compilation specific to arm....i got the error of ncurses lib
[06:59] <Allen> i shall do it from konsole
[06:59] <TSWoodV> pythonist, /boot/grubh/menu.lst
[06:59] <TSWoodV> pythonist, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:59] <drasko> Allen, happened to me for compiling the kernel.. you have to install ncurses...
[06:59] <Allen> well i have it installed
[07:00] <Allen> i checked it
[07:00] <pythonist> TSWoodV: ??? That's the grub configuration, I meant the kernel config (you know, .config in kernel sources)....
[07:00] <drasko> Allen, well, dunno.. ncurses are needed for make menuconfig - configuration in console
[07:00] <Allen> i guess i will try it again
[07:00] <Allen> ya i knw
[07:01] <Allen> if i run a xconfig....then i get a diff kind of error
[07:01] <membreya> I'm getting the following when I'm trying to install the nvidia-glx
[07:01] <TSWoodV> pythonist, sorry.  Fedora sticks them in a config directory under /usr/src/whatever-build-this-is/config
[07:01] <membreya> dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx' clashes with `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by xorg-driver-fglrx'
[07:01] <drasko> Allen, try make configure
[07:01] <Allen> anyways i shall hve that tried
[07:02] <membreya> anyone able to suggest anything?
[07:02] <cindux> before I update my BIOS, this wont affect ubuntu in anyway will it ?
[07:03] <Allen> but this is what i have felt......ubuntu is far far better than fedora.....and i have been using it for abt 2 days now
[07:03] <Allen> thanks drasko
[07:05] <Drizzt321> is there a way to use Xorg with warty(since in hoary, isn't it Xorg?)
[07:05] <Drizzt321> or should I just go ahead and update it to hoary?
[07:06] <drasko> Allen, you are welcome... Debian is really great, and Ubuntu is Debian sort of speaking, but eith a large community and easier installation.. that's my choice - rare dstro where everything works :)
[07:06] <drasko> *with
[07:06] <vi11e> should this work sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 ?? it haven't worked for few days now and I really need that in order to watch my dvd's from my dvd-drive
[07:07] <Allen> true drasko...i need to spend more time on it...but i am enjoyin hacking around
[07:07] <Allen> ;)
[07:07] <drasko> ville, wouldn't hurt... if it's the newest version it will tell you
[07:08] <vi11e> Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:08] <vi11e> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:08] <vi11e> is only available from another source
[07:08] <vi11e> E: Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate
[07:08] <vi11e> it tells me that
[07:08] <Jet2k5> Hello anyone here using an iPod with Ubuntu?
[07:09] <cindux> COuld someone help me with a BIOS upgrade?
[07:09] <drasko> ville, do you have this package installed at all? it looks like it is not in repository...
[07:09] <vi11e> no I don't
[07:09] <timothy> hey, i'm having trouble mounting windows partitions. I have them mounted and listed in fstab, but when I mount them it opens the folder where they were mounted to and tells me I don't have the necessary permissions to view the contents
[07:09] <vi11e> I have a clean hoary install and I need that pack
[07:09] <darkcmd> vi11e, you can also compile libdvdcss
[07:09] <darkcmd> and install
[07:10] <drasko> ville, so apt - get wont help you a lot... unless you add some repository in /etc/apt/sources-list where you can find it...
[07:10] <tritium> vi11e, that package in on the marillat repo
[07:10] <vi11e> I am new to linux and thus I think compiling it could be quite hard? (?S
[07:10] <vi11e> tritium, can you tell me the deb url
[07:10] <drasko> ville, but try downloading that package straight from debian site...
[07:10] <tritium> vi11e, see ubuntuguide.org.  It's documented there.
[07:11] <vi11e> hmm
[07:11] <vi11e> I have that page open
[07:11] <tritium> vi11e, go to the #dvdplayback section
[07:11] <vi11e> ahh.. I thought I have marillat already... wait
[07:12] <vi11e> apparently I don't.. well gotta add it, damn :)
[07:12] <timothy> Can anyone help me mount my windows partitions/
[07:12] <vi11e> timothy, you could try change ownership of that mounetd drive
[07:13] <timothy> ville: how can I do that?
[07:13] <vi11e> chown command... I don't know though if it is staying after you reboot
[07:14] <timothy> ville: is there some option I can change in the fstab to do it permanently?
[07:14] <Freedomzen> www.google.com "search block" how to mount windows partitions in linux "enter"
[07:14] <Freedomzen> :D
[07:14] <cindux> hm..
[07:15] <vi11e> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#changefilefolderownership
[07:15] <cindux> could someone help me with updating my BIOS?
[07:15] <cindux> im on the download page, just wanted help picking which one
[07:15] <cindux> It's an Asrock P4i45GV?
[07:15] <Freedomzen> cindux, have a windows partiton?
[07:15] <cindux> nope
[07:15] <hybrid0> cindux why are yoy updating them?
[07:15] <drasko> timothy, why is a problem? Go to root comsole and issue comman mount ... what it syas?
[07:15] <cindux> I'm having issues with ACPI
[07:15] <Freedomzen> havent had much luck flashing the bios in nix
[07:15] <cindux> and this update is supposed to fix that, & several others
[07:16] <Freedomzen> cindux, turn it off
[07:16] <cindux> but it sounds cool :(
[07:16] <cindux> "advanced"
[07:16] <timothy> drasko: it lets me mount it, but once its mounted it won't let me view the contents of the folder to where it was mounted
[07:17] <cindux> So, I just turn it of in my BIOS?
[07:17] <Freedomzen> cindux, at the boot prompt
[07:17] <Freedomzen> add "acpi=off" at the grub boot line
[07:17] <hybrid0> *hybrid wonders why BIOS cd's aren't sold in stores
[07:18] <cindux> their isnt really a prompt though
[07:18] <cindux> goes t fast
[07:18] <cindux> to*
[07:18] <drasko> tmothy, try from the root console... change the permissions on the mounted folder with chmos...
[07:18] <drasko> *chmod
[07:18] <Freedomzen> cindux, sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:18] <hybrid0> Freedomzen what is nano?
[07:18] <vi11e> timothy, the directory has root permissions and thus you can't view it with gnome/x-windows... go to console and sudo chown its permissions to 777 and then you can view it with the browser
[07:18] <Freedomzen> hybrid0, a text editor
[07:18] <hybrid0> oo ok
[07:19] <cindux> = /
[07:19] <cindux> all i knew ubuntu had was less
[07:19] <cindux> er not ubuntu *
[07:19] <liquidhex> I just installed array 4, and it was done installing and said to remove installation media so it could boot into my new install... And it just went right into windows xp!
[07:19] <liquidhex> the bootloader didnt install
[07:19] <liquidhex> what should I do
[07:20] <vi11e> but I don't know if it will stay that way... try reboot your computer after that timothy and see if the permissions are still there...
[07:21] <drasko> timothy, how about adding to fstab line for example:   /dev/hda3          idedisk          ntfs               noauto,user,exec 0 0
[07:21] <vi11e> drasko does that "user" mean the permission level?
[07:21] <vi11e> what's noauto
[07:21] <diego> hi all. i'm on hoary and i'm wanting to test out swsusp but when i run hibernate, swsusp2 is not in my kernel. what's up?
[07:21] <Drizzt321> for the tasks, ubuntu-desktop is setup to give Xorg and gnome, right?
[07:22] <Freedomzen> liquidhex, boot from the cd let it load all modules alt-ctrl-f2 to switch consoles, mkdir /mnt, mount /dev/yourrootfilesystem /mnt, chroot /mnt /bin/bash, grub-install hd0
[07:22] <Freedomzen> Drizzt321, yes
[07:22] <Freedomzen> vi11e, noauto means the filesystem is not automatingly mounted
[07:22] <Freedomzen> sp^
[07:23] <drasko> ville, not shure, though... root can be user too... and owner... I shoul look it up...
[07:23] <Drizzt321> Freedomzen: thanks
[07:23] <Freedomzen> Drizzt321, no prob
[07:23] <cindux> er, dumb question but when you say at the boot prompt, where? when i start up their isn't any pause anywhere
[07:24] <Freedomzen> cindux, sudo /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:24] <Freedomzen> in a terminal
[07:24] <cindux> oh
[07:24] <cindux> lol
[07:24] <Freedomzen> :D
[07:24] <Freedomzen> you with me
[07:24] <cindux> then find acpi=on & switch to =off
[07:24] <Freedomzen> cindux, no
[07:24] <cindux> :(
[07:24] <Freedomzen> look for this
[07:25] <Freedomzen> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-3-amd64-k8 Default
[07:25] <Freedomzen> yours will be different
[07:25] <drasko> ville, from man fstab:   Common for all types of  file
[07:25] <drasko>        system  are  the options ``noauto'' (do not mount when "mount -a" is given, e.g., at boot time), ``user'' (allow a
[07:25] <drasko>        user to mount), and ``owner'' (allow device owner to mount), and ``_netdev'' (device requires network to be avail-
[07:25] <drasko>        able).  The ``owner'' and ``_netdev'' options are Linux-specific.  For more details, see mount(8).
[07:25] <Freedomzen> but look for the kernel line
[07:25] <cindux> hm i got command not gounf
[07:25] <cindux> found*
[07:25] <Freedomzen> drasko, easy on the flood
[07:25] <cindux> typed, sudo /boot/grub/menu/lst
[07:25] <drasko> Freedomzen, sorry
[07:25] <cindux> .1st*
[07:26] <Freedomzen> cindux, type sudo passwd in a console
[07:26] <Freedomzen> when prompt for a password enter one you will remember
[07:26] <cindux> enter new password = /
[07:26] <Freedomzen> yes
[07:26] <cindux> i have a password
[07:26] <cindux> :(
[07:26] <Freedomzen> ok
[07:26] <Freedomzen> for su?
[07:27] <cindux> yep
[07:27] <Freedomzen> ok
[07:27] <Freedomzen> go root
[07:27] <cindux> k
[07:27] <Pinguvin> how can i add a line to /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[07:27] <Freedomzen> then nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:27] <Freedomzen> Pinguvin, type it in
[07:27] <cindux> got it
[07:27] <drasko> Pinguvin, nano the file
[07:27] <Freedomzen> cindux, ok
[07:27] <Pinguvin> drasko: whats that?
[07:27] <drasko> Pinguvin, nano is the editor..
[07:27] <mjt> is nano the default editor on ubuntu?
[07:28] <Freedomzen> see the kernel line?
[07:28] <cindux> nope
[07:28] <drasko> Pinguvin, so say nano sources-list and edit the file
[07:28] <Dimbit> Pinguvin: "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" then edit it
[07:28] <Freedomzen> cindux, press the down arrow
[07:28] <Pinguvin> okey thank guys
[07:28] <Freedomzen> go down unitll you see ## ## End Default Options ##
[07:28] <Freedomzen> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-3-amd64-k8 Default
[07:28] <Freedomzen> root            (hd0,1)
[07:28] <Freedomzen> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdc2 ro console=tty0 quiet splash
[07:29] <Freedomzen> yours will be different
[07:29] <cindux> mine says title     linux
[07:29] <Dimbit> anyone know how to make xdm use kwin instead of metacity? I've spent ages installing kde but can't actually get to use it :/
[07:29] <cindux> ol
[07:29] <drasko> Pinguvin, btw. you have to be root to edit
[07:29] <Freedomzen> ok
[07:29] <Freedomzen> see the kernel line
[07:29] <cindux> kernel         /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro
[07:29] <Freedomzen> ok
[07:29] <Pinguvin> drasko: root terminal then?
[07:29] <Linksman> webdav://idisk.mac.com/wabashprof/Documents/Appointments.ics
[07:29] <Linksman> webdav://idisk.mac.com/wabashprof/Documents/Birthdays.ics
[07:29] <Linksman> webdav://idisk.mac.com/wabashprof/Documents/Classes.ics
[07:29] <Freedomzen> at the end of theat put acpi=off
[07:29] <drasko> Pinguvin, yep.. or do su
[07:29] <cindux> = /
[07:30] <Pinguvin> okey dokey
[07:30] <cindux> hm lol
[07:30] <Linksman> sorry about that everybody
[07:30] <Freedomzen> cindux, ?
[07:30] <cindux> im a moron :D
[07:30] <Freedomzen> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdc2 ro console=tty0 quiet splash acpi=off
[07:30] <Pinguvin> java is a pain in the ass!
[07:31] <Freedomzen> brb
[07:31] <mjt> btw, does it work at all? I mean, will it work without editing the grub.conf?
[07:31] <cindux> ok, here's my line.
[07:31] <cindux> # kernel        /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro console=tty0 quiet splash acpi=off
[07:32] <mjt> it was quite some time ago when i last saw a prob with acpi
[07:32] <drasko> Pinguvin, why?
[07:32] <Linksman> I have a question about choosing wireless access points in Ubuntu.
[07:32] <Pinguvin> drasko: cause its so hard to install
[07:33] <drasko> Pinguvin, yes... and no - what are you installing?
[07:33] <davix> what is the hoary package for flash plugin for firefox?
[07:33] <Pinguvin> drasko, sun java i think
[07:34] <cindux> brb
[07:34] <membreya> davix: 32 or 64bit? ;)
[07:35] <Gollie> quicky - the warty LiveCD doesn't support installation onto HDD?
[07:35] <mjg59> Correct
[07:35] <davix> membreya, er:)
[07:35] <cindux> quit fiddling with the live cd :P
[07:35] <cindux> it always made both my pcs lag way more than ubuntu on the hdd
[07:36] <Gollie> bah - my 2K installs crashed, and there's only 1 CD drive on the PC - bit difficult to download and burn :S
[07:36] <drasko> Pinguvin, ok... url: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[07:37] <mjg59> Is there anyone here running on an Acer laptop?
[07:37] <Pinguvin> drasko: thanks
[07:37] <membreya> hrm...did a mount -a after adding my windows partition to fstab and it doesnt show up in "computer" ..yet I can browse all the files
[07:39] <hybrid0> what is a small fast desktop enviroment
[07:39] <NaosZ> Greetings all knowing most paitent ones
[07:39] <hybrid0> lol
[07:40] <NaosZ> noob requires help with a failure to load x-server issue
[07:40] <drasko> NaosZ, say
[07:41] <davix> what is the hoary package for flash plugin for firefox?
[07:42] <NaosZ> you see I'm a real noob with ubuntu/linux and without a GUI im pretty much lost not knowing linux commands and such
[07:42] <vi11e> hmm is there some 'reliable' cd/dvd-burner for ubuntu hoary ?
[07:42] <hybrid0> NaosZ do you kno dos?
[07:42] <NaosZ> erm... was some time ago I used it and not very often tbh
[07:43] <hybrid0> well do you kno the basic/common commands?
[07:43] <NaosZ> yeah (me thinks...) :/
[07:44] <hybrid0> ok well ls == dir  lsof == netstat cd == cd
[07:44] <tweek888> why isnt wine listed in the synaptic packedges when winetools& winelibs are?
[07:44] <hybrid0> tweek888 add wine.sourceforge.net to ur repos
[07:45] <tweek888> i have
[07:45] <NaosZ> ..k
[07:45] <hybrid0> then it should be there
[07:45] <tweek888> =\
[07:45] <hybrid0> NaosZ ; if you want help with a command type man command
[07:45] <hybrid0> instead of command /?
[07:45] <hybrid0> ie man ls
[07:46] <Gollie> anyone tried Ubuntu with colinux?
[07:46] <hybrid0> o_0
[07:46] <NaosZ> hmm ty
[07:46] <hybrid0> np
[07:46] <hybrid0> need anything else juss ask
[07:47] <vi11e> helllo, is there some cd/dvd-burning softwares in apt-get??
[07:47] <tweek888> there isnt a way to jsut download and compile wine myself is there?
[07:47] <Hwolf> ville, loads
[07:47] <vi11e> Hwolf, could you name one that is reliable
[07:47] <hybrid0> ve11e apt-cache search cd dvd burner
[07:47] <vi11e> that does not have so much bugs.. or have some stable version :P
[07:47] <hybrid0> *8vi11e
[07:47] <Hwolf>  ville: no
[07:48] <vi11e> thanks hybrid0 , any suggestions tho?
[07:48] <Hwolf> ville: the basic stuff I do, nautilus handles fine
[07:48] <mebaran> My alsa suddenly stopped working
[07:48] <hybrid0> umm I heard cd parinioa is good
[07:48] <mebaran> even though all the modulst are loaded
[07:48] <hybrid0> how eva u spell it
[07:48] <vi11e> how do I stop my "blank cd" process with this integrated cd/dvd-burner thing.... I think it froze and is still 'blanking' the disc ?
[07:48] <mebaran> hybrid0, I think that is the backend to nautilus
[07:49] <hybrid0> mebaran i believe it is
[07:49] <vi11e> I want something that is not based on that nautilus since I am having major problem erasin rewritable with it :X
[07:49] <hybrid0> oo ok
[07:50] <mebaran> well you might have trouble
[07:50] <mebaran> most cd burners out there are based on cdparanoia
[07:50] <mebaran> I think
[07:50] <mebaran> K3b is
[07:50] <mebaran> I just did a reinstall of Array-4 on AMD64
[07:51] <mebaran> suddenly
[07:51] <mebaran> Evolution works
[07:51] <mebaran> but alsa doesnt
[07:51] <mebaran> anybody got any ideas
[07:51] <ssamf> isnt graveman the new cd burner that people like
[07:51] <vi11e> hmm
[07:51] <mebaran> never heard of it
[07:51] <ulas2> i have no sounndddddd
[07:51] <ulas2> but i love hoaryyyyy
[07:51] <hybrid0> ssamf is it based on natilus tho
[07:51] <ulas2> what should i dooooo
[07:52] <hybrid0> haave you tried apt-get update
[07:52] <LinuxJones> gnomebaker looks like it is really going to be awesome
[07:52] <vi11e> well I guess that nautilus erased the disc after all... I opened a system monitor and I saw cdrecord there as "uninterruptible' operation. then suddenly it disappeared there and console says "cdrecord: caught interrupted... but it seems the cd is blank... weird... probably by opening the system monitor I woke the process up... it was blanking it for like 15-20mins :P
[07:53] <vi11e> but always when I start processes with cdrecord it says they have some problems with kernels newer than 2.5
[07:54] <vi11e> so It are weirdz that you don have anny problam
[07:54] <ulas2> hybrid0, did you recommend update to me?
[07:54] <hybrid0> yes
[07:54] <ssamf> there were nasty audio cd writing bugs around kernel 2.6.8 i think
[07:54] <mebaran> anyone have any idea on my Alsa problem
[07:54] <mebaran> Hoary
[07:54] <mebaran> array 4
[07:54] <ulas2> i think i did
[07:54] <hybrid0> and nothing?
[07:54] <ulas2> mebaran, what kind of alsa problems
[07:54] <mebaran> AMD64 and all modules loaded
[07:54] <mebaran> I dont get any sounds
[07:55] <mebaran> the devices are loaded
[07:55] <hybrid0> dang thats 3 of us
[07:55] <mebaran> and the alsa daemon is loaded successfully
[07:55] <vjaz> Anyone registered in LaunchPad (http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/) recently? I'm having trouble with the registration url that I got in email.
[07:55] <ulas2> hybrid0, not a beep
[07:55] <mebaran> I get computer beeps
[07:55] <mebaran> I think it is a weird mixer thing
[07:55] <hybrid0> hmm i am having the same problem ulas2
[07:55] <mebaran> but suddenly Evolution works
[07:55] <ulas2> mebaran, different machine same problem...
[07:55] <SiRrUs> have you tried xmms
[07:55] <mebaran> hmm
[07:55] <mebaran> what archi are you on
[07:55] <hybrid0> i cant even get gnome to load but in fail safe
[07:55] <ulas2> 686
[07:56] <mebaran> gnome loads for me fine
[07:56] <SiRrUs> mebaran have you tried xmms
[07:56] <hybrid0> i am on ppc
[07:56] <mebaran> gdm wont make any noises
[07:56] <mebaran> eiter
[07:56] <ulas2> everything but sound is ok for me...
[07:56] <mebaran> yeah me too
[07:56] <hybrid0> hoary == the real sid
[07:56] <mebaran> Ubuntu is rather odd
[07:56] <hybrid0> yea
[07:56] <ulas2> everything seems to be working on the alsa side..
[07:56] <mebaran> upgrades dont bring you up to the current array
[07:56] <hybrid0> but i still love it
[07:57] <mebaran> as my evolution
[07:57] <ulas2> hybrid0, it is the best i use..
[07:57] <mebaran> has been borked since day one
[07:57] <mebaran> a new install
[07:57] <mebaran> and voila
[07:57] <mebaran> it works
[07:57] <hybrid0> ulas2 me to
[07:57] <Bandit> SiRrUs seems as tho mebaran is ignoring you
[07:57] <brazza> what is it with that 1024 cilinder limit?
[07:57] <SiRrUs> yeah well sucks to be him
[07:57] <mebaran> Bandit? huh
[07:57] <mebaran> SiRus
[07:57] <mebaran> sorry
[07:58] <mebaran> I didnt see what you put
[07:58] <mebaran> ahh it scrolled out
[07:58] <mebaran> I am trying XMMS now
[07:58] <ulas2> lets find jeff and cry him to fix alsa thing....
[07:58] <SiRrUs> what is your output plugin?
[07:58] <ulas2> mebaran, wont work.. beleive me...
[07:59] <SiRrUs> Player: ( xmms 1.2.10 ) Volume: ( 100% ) Title: ( Henry Gross - Shannon ) Time: ( 2:31/3:52 (65%) ) BitRate: ( 128 kbit/s - 44100 Hz )
[07:59] <SiRrUs> hmmm xmms seems to work fine for me on hoary
[07:59] <hybrid0> does anyone use matchbox with hoary?
[07:59] <ulas2> hmmmm
[07:59] <mebaran> I will try xmms
[07:59] <mebaran> SiRrUs, do you get system sounds
[07:59] <mebaran> and gdm sounds
[07:59] <SiRrUs> yep
[08:00] <SiRrUs> mebaran now i asked you a question
[08:00] <mebaran> it is installing
[08:00] <mebaran> XMMS
[08:00] <mebaran> sorry
[08:00] <ulas2> mebaran, i tried beep-mp but no lucl which is xmms also...
[08:01] <mebaran> my connection is a tad sluggish
[08:01] <SiRrUs> ah ok let me know when you get it installed
[08:01] <ulas2> mebaran, please let me know if you get lucky...
[08:01] <brazza> any1 knows the 1024 BIOS limit when dual booting?
[08:01] <SiRrUs> ulas2 what is your output plugin
[08:01] <SiRrUs> in xmms
[08:01] <andrewski> is it possible to use wine to install windows?
[08:02] <ulas2> to install windows?
[08:02] <ulas2> why dou you need it.
[08:02] <andrewski> or does it need windows libraries to run?
[08:02] <aassss> how do i set root pass?, something like su -c -S ?
[08:03] <ulas2> sudo passwd root ?
[08:03] <zenrox> yep
[08:03] <mebaran> SiRu
[08:03] <mebaran> S
[08:03] <mebaran> XMMS is damn sexy now
[08:03] <mebaran> but unfortunately is it seen but not heard
[08:03] <aassss> ulas2: dosent work.
[08:03] <mebaran> no sound for me
[08:03] <andrewski> mebaran: "now"?
[08:03] <mebaran> yeah
[08:03] <mebaran> on my old install
[08:03] <mebaran> from like a day ago
[08:03] <mebaran> all the fonts looked REALLY bad
[08:04] <mebaran> now they look presentable
[08:04] <SiRrUs> mebaran what is your sound output plugin
[08:04] <Sasib> Hello all!
[08:04] <mebaran> Alsa
[08:04] <maggi> hi
[08:04] <ulas2> aassss, why do you need a root pass
[08:04] <andrewski> mebaran: ah ok.  why don't you just type complete sentences in one post?
[08:04] <Gollie> any quick and easy way to add MP3 support to a warty liveCD?
[08:04] <ulas2> aassss, it is disablled on purpose...
[08:04] <mebaran> andrewski, very bad habit I picked up
[08:04] <aassss> ulas2: i dont want to use sudo...
[08:04] <andrewski> mebaran: yeah, you'll get kicked if you say too much. :)
[08:04] <aassss> ulas2: well, i know my way around linux... so i want root.
[08:04] <SiRrUs> mebaran try changing it to eSound
[08:04] <mebaran> ok I will try to do better
[08:05] <davix> aassss, if you'd know your way around google you could easily get root.
[08:05] <maggi> hehe
[08:05] <aassss> gahhhhhhhhhh
[08:05] <andrewski> mebaran: sorry, i just meant that you'll get auto-kicked for flooding; i don't have any control over kicking anyone. :)
[08:05] <ulas2> aassss, then sudo passwd root must work
[08:05] <davix> aassss, i'll tip you that, there is no root pass and once you set it, you can access root.
[08:05] <SiRrUs> aassss sudo passwd root
[08:05] <mebaran> ok I will try not to flood
[08:06] <SiRrUs> mebaran try changing it to eSound
[08:06] <Sasib> anyone help with an installation problem please?
[08:06] <ulas2> Sasib, shoot
[08:06] <andrewski> Sasib: ask first and we'll see. :P
[08:06] <davix> Sasib, what is the problem?
[08:06] <Sasib> tried twice but always disables the GUI
[08:06] <mebaran> SiRuS, tried that, no dice
[08:06] <andrewski> lol
[08:07] <davix> yeah
[08:07] <davix> tried twice...
[08:07] <ulas2> Sasib, disables the GUI.. please describe more
[08:07] <davix> what did you try twice?
[08:07] <EE`Lindo> Does anyone know if the Hoary array 5 will be released tomorrow ?
[08:07] <aassss> SiRrUs: it asks for root pw then,
[08:07] <jono> hi all
[08:07] <Sasib> installation goes fine until it tries to initialize the GUI
[08:07] <andrewski> hi jono
[08:07] <tweek_> how do i start ssh fopr my freind to help me?
[08:07] <tweek_> for*
[08:08] <jono> is anyone else still having problems with the GNOME System Tools networking applet?
[08:08] <SiRrUs> and then you create a password
[08:08] <ulas2> aassss, you just enter your users password
[08:08] <jono> hey andrewski :)
[08:08] <andrewski> tweek_: there's a good/quick howto on ubuntuguide.org
[08:08] <davix> mjt, where can you look for this?
[08:08] <tweek_> thanksyou
[08:08] <ulas2> aassss, like you sudo
[08:08] <andrewski> jono: what problems?
[08:08] <ulas2> aassss, then enter your new password for root and voila
[08:08] <Sasib> then says it cant start the GUI, please troubleshoot
[08:08] <davix> mjt?
[08:08] <mjt> davix: /var/log/auth.log
[08:08] <EE`Lindo> Does anyone know if the Hoary array 5 will be released tomorrow ?
[08:09] <hybrid_> what is an alterative desktop enviroment
[08:09] <Sasib> puts me into text prompt, which is tottally new in linux for me
[08:09] <jono> andrewski, it just wont connect the network sometimes, and when I select a profile it takes ages before it times out - it is *very* unstable it seems
[08:09] <andrewski> hybrid_: alternative to gnome?
[08:09] <ulas2> Sasib, you are irc ing from windows right now?
[08:09] <davix> tnx mjt
[08:09] <Sasib> yes
[08:09] <andrewski> jono: wireless?
[08:09] <brazza> anyone has an solution for my boot problem?
[08:09] <hybrid_> andrewski yes and kde
[08:09] <jono> andrewski, yep
[08:09] <raydogg> how come tightvnc can't get my desktop ?
[08:09] <dejavu> how can i get my webcam get detected on ubuntu ?
[08:09] <andrewski> hybrid_: well, if you like gtk (who doesn't?! ;) i'd try xfce.
[08:09] <raydogg> it always wants to server up a seperate desktop
[08:09] <raydogg> like ip:1
[08:09] <hybrid_> ok
[08:10] <raydogg> instead of :0
[08:10] <andrewski> jono: how's your signal?
[08:10] <hybrid_> andrewski  can i apt-get it?
[08:10] <andrewski> hybrid_: there's a repository of the 4.2 (latest) version on os-works.com
[08:10] <andrewski> hybrid_: use that rep and you can. :)
[08:10] <andrewski> hybrid_: the versions (even in hoary) for ubuntu are way out-of-date.
[08:11] <hybrid_> oo ok
[08:11] <dejavu> how can i get my webcam get detected on ubuntu ?
[08:11] <andrewski> jono?
[08:11] <Sasib> figuring its not picking up the vid card properly
[08:11] <jono> andrewski, signal is fine, ubuntu (warty) on my powerbook conencts fine
[08:11] <Sasib> dunno how to reslove in command prompt
[08:12] <andrewski> jono: what does iwconfig say?
[08:12] <ssamf> ee'lindo there have not been many new packages today, so that could be a sign of array 5 being readied
[08:13] <mebaran> anyone else have any ideas?
[08:13] <Sasib> anyone help with an installation problem please?
[08:13] <ssamf> but i may mean nothing
[08:13] <jono> andrewski, I get  IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:"belkin54g" on my first line
[08:13] <hikaru79> I'm trying to use FreeNX on ubuntu, but my client (Windows XP) is saying it can't authenticate the user. The forum says that to fix this, I have to give it an "SSH Host Key"... where can I find this SSH host key?
[08:13] <EE`Lindo> ok thx ssamf
[08:13] <EE`Lindo> :)
[08:13] <jono> when I cant connect it says unassociated
[08:13] <andrewski> jono: look under "link quality"
[08:13] <SiRrUs> ssamf it may mean its a Sunday :) or at least here anyway
[08:13] <andrewski> jono: but only if it's connected.
[08:13] <cindux> anyone know how to tell if your moo has ACPI
[08:13] <ssamf> true
[08:13] <mebaran> it told me the mixer timed out
[08:14] <jono> andrewski, where is that?
[08:14] <andrewski> jono: sixth line.
[08:14] <ssamf> but do the devs work a normal style week? or do ubuntu stuff in free time
[08:14] <jono> andrewski, Link Quality=74/100  Signal level=-58 dBm  Noise level=-88 dBm
[08:15] <ulas2> mebaran, i have a strong bad feeling about this but i think  i will compile alsa drivers from source... what do you think...
[08:15] <andrewski> jono: ok, signal looks fine.  what are your essid/wep settings? (in general, don't post your passwords)
[08:15] <mebaran> I was considering that too
[08:15] <mebaran> I dont think it could be that bad
[08:15] <mebaran> worst comes to worst I just reload the system
[08:15] <mebaran> let us make a suicide pact :)
[08:16] <ulas2> mebaran, yep yep ok. you tried the xmms i will put my hand under the stone now.. i ll do it...
[08:16] <mebaran> but how do you do it
[08:16] <hikaru79> I'm trying to use FreeNX on ubuntu, but my client (Windows XP) is saying it can't authenticate the user. The forum says that to fix this, I have to give it an "SSH Host Key"... where can I find this SSH host key?
[08:16] <mebaran> I used to just use alsa conf
[08:16] <Pinguvin> hi guys! im trying to install Azereus but i get an error
[08:16] <Pinguvin> $ sudo tar jxvf Azureus_2.2.0.2_linux.GTK.tar.bz2 -C /opt/
[08:16] <Pinguvin> bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
[08:16] <Pinguvin> tar: Child returned status 2
[08:16] <Pinguvin> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[08:16] <ulas2> mebaran, wait for me... ill help you out...
[08:17] <cindux> lol
[08:17] <narkceh> hello. how to run fxc4
[08:18] <mebaran> cool
[08:18] <narkceh> hello. how to run xfce4
[08:18] <cindux> one stupid question, when I update my BIOS & say i reformatted etc
[08:18] <cindux> i wont have to do it again ?
[08:18] <narkceh> i have deleted gnome and installed fxc4 and when i run startx it opens gnome, why?
[08:19] <hikaru79> Can ANYONE please tell me what an SSH host key is? >_<
[08:19] <YankDownUnder> If you've installed XFce, all you need to run to start it is: startxfce
[08:20] <YankDownUnder> SSH key is a security certificate. Just accept it.
[08:20] <ssamf> man ssh should explain
[08:20] <YankDownUnder> narkceh: Did you get that?
[08:21] <cindux> could someone help with ACPI?
[08:21] <Lucien> No.
[08:21] <cindux> :(
[08:21] <cindux> ah come on lol
[08:21] <Lucien> I use Windows again. Waiting for the hoary release.
[08:21] <cindux> im running ubuntu ><
[08:21] <Lucien> :P
[08:21] <hikaru79> YankDownUnder, I'm trying to run a FreeNX server from Ubuntu and from my test client (Windows XP), it keeps saying that authentication failed and the forum is saying I have to give it the "SSH host key"... any ideas? :(
[08:21] <YankDownUnder> cindux: What's the issue?
[08:21] <Dreamer3> Lucien: i broke that habit long ago :)
[08:21] <Dreamer3> Lucien: though it took numerous attemps
[08:22] <cindux> Well whenever I shutdown i simply get ACPI off right after POwer Down
[08:22] <cindux> but nothing happens
[08:22] <hikaru79> And yes I DID use --nomachine-key
[08:22] <YankDownUnder> hikaru79: THAT bit I wouldn't even beging to understand my friend
[08:22] <cindux> and when i turn it off manually my start up lags
[08:22] <hikaru79> I see =/
[08:22] <cindux> someone said i should add acpi=on somewhere?
[08:22] <cindux> in menu.lst
[08:22] <cindux> but i dont know where to add it, nor where menu.lst actually is
[08:22] <YankDownUnder> cindux: You'd have to set acpi=on in the /etc/lilo.conf then re-run lilo
[08:22] <Lucien> Haha, I think Windows Xp Professional is a great alternative for Ubuntu.
[08:22] <Lucien> But I will switch back.
[08:23] <cindux> = /
[08:23] <cindux> SO it can't be done from menu.lst ?
[08:23] <Lucien> I am sick and tired of patching every piece of software I download; and by that I mean 'patching' ;-).
[08:23] <YankDownUnder> cindux: Edit the /etc/lilo.conf and for the default kernel settings, add the acpi=on in there, then run /sbin/lilo and reboot
[08:23] <YankDownUnder> cindux: Better by hand
[08:23] <clark> I'm trying to get php to work with mysql--i have everything installed and phpinfo() says --with-mysql, but php says "no such function" if I try mysql_connect(). anybody know what I'm missing?
[08:23] <Gul3> hi, can someone help me reinsatll grub? i've installed winXP after linux so now i can't boot into linux. i'm on ubuntu live now
[08:24] <cindux> i dont know where to add it lol :(
[08:24] <andrewski> jono: you still want help?
[08:24] <mebaran> I am going to try the latest CDImage
[08:24] <mebaran> maybe it got fixed
[08:25] <Gul3> someone?
[08:25] <YankDownUnder> cindux: If you open the /etc/lilo.conf in an editor (gedit or simiar) you will find a place underneath your kernel settings that says "append" => that is where you can add the acpi=on parameter => then after you've added that and saved the file, run "lilo" as root and then reboot
[08:26] <xadas> msttcorefonts missing in ubuntu?
[08:26] <dejavu> has anyone tried playing COUNTER-STRIKE on his linux box ?
[08:26] <dejavu> has anyone tried playing COUNTER-STRIKE on his linux box ?
[08:26] <andrewski> xadas: ubuntuguide.org has a quick howto
[08:26] <njan> dejavu, NO
[08:26] <njan> dejavu, NO
[08:27] <njan> :)
[08:27] <clark> Any UAMP (Ubuntu Apache MySQL PHP) experts out there?
[08:27] <ziggity> hi. how do I install mono on ubuntu
[08:27] <andrewski> ziggity: did you search synaptic/apt-get for mono?
[08:27] <xadas> andrewski thx
[08:27] <andrewski> xadas: no problem!
[08:27] <tritium> andrewski, what version of windows do you want to install?
[08:27] <andrewski> tritium: xp
[08:27] <ziggity> yes, and - got only got the api
[08:28] <andrewski> tritium: and i'd rather not boot out of ubuntu :D
[08:28] <tritium> andrewski, qemu can install some versions.  XP still has some trouble
[08:28] <tritium> andrewski, what programs do you need from windows?
[08:28] <andrewski> tritium: ok, but IYO is it worth a shot?
[08:28] <tritium> andrewski, you can always try it, I guess.
[08:29] <andrewski> tritium: a few utilities for work.
[08:29] <tritium> andrewski, Or, you could install wine .deb from sourceforge and winetools
[08:29] <andrewski> tritium: i have wine installed already; i don't need windows installed?
[08:30] <graham> anybody here use a dial up connection, configured with pppconfig?
[08:30] <hawkman> Can you have different desktop background in different desktops with Gnome in Ubuntu ?
[08:30] <tritium> andrewski, it's possible that those utilities you mentioned will work under wine without needing to install windows
[08:30] <njan> hawkman, afaik gnome doesn't do that (tm)
[08:30] <andrewski> tritium: ah, nice.  man wine?
[08:30] <Pinguvin> can anyone help me install azureus please?
[08:30] <andrewski> Pinguvin: what's the trouble?
[08:31] <hawkman> hmm I was sure I saw it in Gnome in FC or MDK last time I used linux on the laptop... I usually don't run KDE :) oh well.
[08:31] <xadas> andrewski: do u know what repository contains msttcorefonts?
[08:31] <tritium> andrewski, you might see this: http://www.winehq.com/site/howto
[08:31] <andrewski> xadas: not for sure, but i think it's multiverse or universe.
[08:31] <narkceh> YankDownUnder: thanks
[08:31] <Gul3> how do i reinstall grub after installing winxp?
[08:31] <Gul3> please
[08:32] <ziggity> tritium, Whats wine?
[08:32] <andrewski> ziggity: Wine Is Not an Emulator
[08:32] <Gul3> i don't quite understand the man pages (generally)
[08:32] <mebaran> Anybody here having ALSA problems on Array 4
[08:33] <YankDownUnder> No one understands MAN pages completely.
[08:33] <Pinguvin> andrewski: im trying to do this but it wont work ->> sudo tar jxvf Azureus_2.2.0.2_linux.GTK.tar.bz2 -C /opt/
[08:33] <Gul3> lol
[08:33] <andrewski> Pinguvin: why don't you just install from the ubuntu repositories?
[08:33] <ziggity> ok. so when the synaptic manager is done with updating - how do I find the applications
[08:33] <tritium> andrewski, thanks for catching that :)
[08:33] <Gul3> but do someone know how to reinstall grub?
[08:33] <tritium> ziggity, sorry, I'm distracted right now :)
[08:33] <hikaru79> Can someone who knows their way around FreeNX *please* help me figure out why it keeps failing authentication? >__<
[08:34] <andrewski> ziggity: find what applications?
[08:34] <Pinguvin> andrewski, i can install it from synaptic?
[08:34] <andrewski> Pinguvin: i'm pretty sure; i don't know why it wouldn't be in there.
[08:34] <clark> Gul3: take a look at http://www.desktop-linux.net/grub.htm
[08:34] <ziggity> andrewski, mono
[08:34] <Gul3> clark: thanks mate
[08:34] <vi11e> Pinguvin you can, you should read ubuntuguide.org , there is a guide to install it with apt-get which is simpler than installing with synaptic
[08:34] <andrewski> ziggity: search for mono in name and description? ;P
[08:35] <Pinguvin> ville, i alreadt tried whats on that site, but it didnt work
[08:35] <vi11e> I mean there is a guide with apt-get in console.. which is same as synaptic
[08:35] <vi11e> what did it say
[08:35] <ziggity> andrewski,  I found it .. Marked it for updating and applied it. It did the download and update.. BUT i don't know where it is??
[08:35] <Pinguvin> ville, that was not apt-get though
[08:36] <andrewski> ziggity: me either; i don't know what it installs.
[08:36] <Pinguvin> ville and andrewski: nevermind it works now
[08:36] <ziggity> any one use the synaptic manager to load Mono
[08:36] <andrewski> ziggity: use dpkg -c <name of mono package> to see what it installs.
[08:37] <gma_> does anybody else use pppconfig?
[08:38] <ziggity> andrewski, : : Where do I use this
[08:38] <andrewski> ziggity: in a terminal
[08:39] <cblack> lo folks
[08:39] <cblack> hmm. gotta love the onjoin spam. heh.
[08:39] <andrewski> cblack: i've just gotten some spam too; is there any way to report it or something?
[08:40] <clark> anybody know how to make php work with mysql? I've looked at http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7659.html but it doesn't help b/c i'm already using apache2
[08:40] <cblack> andrewski, probably some netops in #freenode.
[08:40] <ubernoob> How is it with Warty and Horay? I know that warty is the stable version... But will Horay become stable after a while, and then use Grumpy for unstable? Or will Horay always be the unstable test-release? And stable stuff from Horay will then be moved over to Warty?
[08:41] <cblack> ubernoob, hoary will become stable.
[08:41] <jelte> hi there. I'm trying to install XP next to my already running ubuntu, but windows is being .... (fill in the blank) since it needs to be on the first partition. Can I move my empty partition to the 'front' for it?
[08:41] <cblack> jelte, i don't believe so, no.
[08:42] <gma> I used pppconfig to config my dial up. chat and pppd worked fine. Then one day I upgraded my packages and chat was no longer used; wvdial was mysteriously being launched in it's place. very weird, and a bit irritating as it wasn't configured and didn't work. anybody heard of that happening to anybody else?
[08:43] <benjanet> how do i install a gnome desktop theme ?
[08:43] <gma> and some fool keeps msg-ing me asking me to join #Albania. is that normal round these parts?
[08:43] <andrewski> benjanet: lila-theme.uni.cc :)
[08:43] <andrewski> gma: no.
[08:43] <andrewski> gma: but the netops know about it.
[08:43] <ziggity> ok,... so exactly do I install this mono ide thing on ubuntu?
[08:44] <gma> andrewski, thanks. any idea how to disable the popup in xchat?
[08:44] <andrewski> ziggity: well, if the package is installed, you should be good to go if you can figure out which files it installs.
[08:44] <pepsi> i have to disable DRI when using nvidia's drivers right?
[08:45] <andrewski> gma: i dunno, i'm just leaving them open until the loser gets kicked.
[08:45] <YankDownUnder> pepsi: Yer supposed to....
[08:45] <ziggity> I expected to find it in the Programming section of the main menu, but its not there
[08:45] <YankDownUnder> Far out...now I'm getting the #albania pop-ups....dang...
[08:45] <andrewski> ziggity: h/o a sec...
[08:45] <YankDownUnder> Doggone IRC bots....
[08:45] <benjanet> andrewski, is there a generic instruction set for installing a theme ?
[08:46] <andrewski> benjanet: not that i know of, you can just download the theme and untar it to .themes (or .icons for icon themes)
[08:46] <duckdown> Hey all.. This is weird; I just installed array4 but forgot to pick EXPERT mode
[08:46] <gma> benjanet, do you have a tar.gz of the theme? if so you can just drag and drop it into the themes dialog.
[08:46] <duckdown> and i created my own user, and thats fine
[08:46] <duckdown> but I cant login root!
[08:46] <duckdown> I didnt set a root PW during install
[08:46] <pepsi> YankDownUnder, disable GLCore too eh?
[08:47] <YankDownUnder> pepsi: Nah
[08:47] <duckdown> You guys have an ONJOINER in here... KB "Colonia"
[08:47] <gma> duckdown, and Diana
[08:47] <duckdown> ughh..
[08:47] <duckdown> :] 
[08:47] <benjanet> gma, thanks..worked
[08:47] <andrewski> ziggity: in synaptic, right-click on the package, go to properties and go to "installed files"
[08:47] <YankDownUnder> Diana and Colonia
[08:48] <andrewski> ziggity: look for anything in /usr/bin in particular...
[08:48] <duckdown> Is there a DEFAULT root pw that it is set to during install? ARRAY4 didn't ask for me to set one! I can only log-in as the user I created during installation
[08:48] <pepsi> oh crap.. thats why... nv isnt the nvidia driver
[08:48] <pepsi> nvidia is
[08:48] <YankDownUnder> pepsi: Yeah mate
[08:48] <pepsi> hehe
[08:48] <pepsi> oopsies :D
[08:48] <ljlane> duckdown, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[08:49] <andrewski> so what's in #albania?
[08:49] <duckdown> andrewski: terrorists
[08:49] <duckdown> ljlane: ill check it, thanks
[08:49] <andrewski> duckdown: run and hide!
[08:49] <duckdown> andrewski: lol :D
[08:49] <duckdown> ljlane: ACK I have no web browser
[08:49] <andrewski> seriously... anyone know?  i'm curious....
[08:49] <duckdown> and I'm as 'duckdown' not root
[08:50] <ljlane> There are a couple of smapbots in here, Colonia and Diana. Somebody please dispatch them.
[08:50] <hikaru79> Can someone who knows their way around FreeNX *please* help me figure out why it keeps failing authentication? >__<
[08:50] <hikaru79> I've been begging for over an hour...
[08:50] <ljlane> duckdown: short story, "sudo command" and use your user password
[08:50] <gma> ljlane, I just added them to my ignore list. hopefully that'll fix 'em.
[08:51] <andrewski> hikaru79: maybe no one knows their way around freenx? :)
[08:51] <Lindo> hmmm no ops in here :/
[08:51] <hikaru79> :(
[08:51] <hikaru79> i was trying not to consider that possibility ^ ^;
[08:51] <Lindo> omg annoying
[08:51] <Lindo> (Diana) Hi Lindo Join #Albania Ok This Is Good Channels ok Lindo Thank You Lindo
[08:51] <duckdown> ljlane: ahh, i just read it.. cool.. so technically I could leave root disabled permanently?
[08:52] <hikaru79> Yup =I(
[08:52] <duckdown> Lindo:  yeah
[08:52] <hikaru79> I keep getting that too
[08:52] <hikaru79> From Colonia and Diana
[08:52] <YankDownUnder> duckdown: Don't disable root
[08:52] <Lindo> every time you type anything in here
[08:52] <ljlane> duckdown, yes. "sudo -s" will open a root shell.
[08:52] <flowerss> how do you enable sshd on ubuntu?
[08:52] <hikaru79> Just ban them I guess =/
[08:52] <duckdown> YankDownUnder: its disabled by default during install.. you can just do sudo with the administrative user you created no?
[08:52] <hikaru79> flowerss, it's turned on automatically once you intall it
[08:53] <raydogg> if ubuntu detected a wireless card, but fails when you try to "activate" it, what could the possible problems be ?
[08:53] <YankDownUnder> duckdown: yah - just open a root termina as well - once Gnome has started....
[08:53] <YankDownUnder> *terminal*
[08:53] <njan> raydogg, what sort of wireless card is it?:
[08:53] <duckdown> :>
[08:53] <raydogg> dlink
[08:53] <flowerss> hikaru79, oops, I just figured it would be installed by default.  Thanks
[08:53] <andrewski> gma: how do you add the spammers to your ignore list?
[08:54] <raydogg> njan, dlink
[08:54] <njan> raydogg, model no.?
[08:54] <raydogg> one sec
[08:54] <YankDownUnder> andrewski: if you're using Xchat, right click the user and choose IGNORE
[08:54] <gma> andrewski, I went Window->Ignore List, then added the bastard's user@ip-address to the list
[08:54] <ziggity> andrewski, Then what?
[08:54] <gma> andrewski, It's just been proven to not work.
[08:54] <gma> arse
[08:55] <njan> Is anyone else here getting spammed  by Colonia?
[08:55] <YankDownUnder> njan: Just put them on your IGNORE list
[08:55] <Lindo> ignore works for me
[08:55] <ljlane> njan, and Diana
[08:55] <andrewski> ziggity: run anything in /usr/bin... i don't really know, but you could probably ask on #mono
[08:55] <njan> YankDownUnder, have done.
[08:55] <njan> I'd just rather they get kicked to prevent them doing it to other people :)
[08:55] <raydogg> njan, dlink dwlg650
[08:56] <clark> nobody has any ideas on how to use mysql with php4?
[08:56] <ziggity> andrewski, is there #mono???
[08:56] <andrewski> ziggity: yup.
[08:57] <gma> Lindo, what do you type to ignore them? I tried ~aBi@82.114.67.42
[08:57] <raydogg> njan, did you get that model number? ( dwlg650 )
[08:58] <njan> raydogg, there are a few cards released with that model number, and it looks like most of them don't support linux
[08:58] <Lindo> im on mIRC i just right click em an presss ignore completely
[08:58] <raydogg> we've had it working in mandrake with madwifi drivers, will we need to do that here?
[08:58] <njan> raydogg, ah! You may be lucky then..
[08:58] <njan> raydogg, the ubuntu installer should support atheros/madwifi chips..
[08:59] <gma> Lindo, good idea, didn't think of that. job is a good'un
[08:59] <njan> raydogg, so if you're having problems, I'm not sure what the issue'll be :(
[08:59] <raydogg> well, it detects it, acts like it is configuring it, but hangs on activation
[08:59] <njan> raydogg, is this during installation or post?
[08:59] <raydogg> after
[08:59] <pepsi> YankDownUnder, there we go... 1600x1200 works right now :)
[09:00] <Lindo> gma huh ? :p
[09:00] <mpq> could it hurt my laptop if I tried to clean the top of the lid with soap?
[09:00] <ren0> Hi. I am a bit stuck. My usb sticks don't allow me to use them in read-write mode
[09:00] <mike998> mpq just be careful
[09:00] <duckdown> yeah 1600x1200 worked right out of the fresh install... with nv driver too, not even 'nvidia'
[09:01] <duckdown> nvidia is the correct one right
[09:01] <Lindo> depends where you let the water run mpq :P
[09:01] <Lindo> never did it to mine
[09:01] <mpq> I shouldn't even have to
[09:01] <diego> hi all
[09:01] <Lindo> lo
[09:01] <mpq> how do I ignore people who are PM spamming me?
[09:01] <duckdown> /ignore Colonia
[09:01] <duckdown> /ig Diana
[09:01] <mpq> lol
[09:01] <duckdown> if using irssi
[09:02] <gma> anybody else seen gnome-smproxy blocking the login for several minutes?
[09:02] <mike998> mpq: I would reccomend using a wet-nap to clean your laptop
[09:02] <mpq> would that get rid of sharpie?
[09:02] <duckdown> hahaha
[09:02] <Lindo> ...
[09:02] <duckdown> someone tagged you?
[09:02] <mike998> gotta love that ignore capability
[09:02] <duckdown> mike998: for sure
[09:02] <diego> ok my filesystem's not happy (reiser)...it says "Filesystem seems to have fatal corruptions. Running with --rebuild-tree is required" on boot. what should i do?
[09:03] <ren0> Sorry dropped out. I can't mount my usb-sticks in read-write mode.
[09:03] <mike998> mpq: probably - sharpies aren't as permanent as they advertise
[09:03] <mpq> I've noticed
[09:04] <duckdown> Someone found your laptop and went marker happy on it?
[09:04] <duckdown> that sucks
[09:04] <duckdown> lol
[09:04] <mpq> it was a 5 year old
[09:04] <duckdown> ouch
[09:04] <mike998> your kid, right?
[09:04] <mpq> HELL NO
[09:04] <mike998> lol - just be thankful it wasn't the screen
[09:04] <mpq> my sister
[09:04] <duckdown> yeah.. what mike998 said
[09:04] <mpq> I've never having children, I hate them
[09:04] <ren0> Plus I have to type in sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt to make them appear at all.
[09:04] <Lindo> lol
[09:04] <hybrid_> what happened?
[09:05] <zenrox> ren0,  do a sudo mkdir /mnt/sda
[09:05] <zenrox> then sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda
[09:06] <mike998> mpq: I got two myself... one from a previous marriage who I don't get to see
[09:06] <mpq> ouch
[09:06] <mike998> another one who's sick and whiney right now
[09:06] <hybrid_> how old are they
[09:06] <mpq> I hear about this kind of stuff, and I wonder why anyone would want that
[09:07] <mike998> do what I do... Tell 'em if they go near my computer stuff when they haven't been told they can...
[09:07] <maggi> hey how do I make a key sequence as a shortcut to change keyboard layouts?
[09:07] <mike998> I tell 'em I will hold them upside down by their ankles and bang their head on the floor
[09:07] <mpq> I wish that would work
[09:08] <mike998> I have found that excessively violent and silly threats work miracles...
[09:08] <sig> paste that last line I did a /clear
[09:08] <mpq> my sister never listens to a word I say
[09:08] <mpq> it wouldn't work
[09:08] <YankDownUnder> mike998: I just tell the kids "Would you like me to rip out your arms and beat you over the head with the bloody ends?" - works great
[09:09] <delltony> ok i have a question why do other users of linux knock ubuntu as being bad? i mean of course i'm new to linux and trying to learn but i don't see where it's bad at all it does pretty much what i want i want it to do. i just don't get why folks in say linuxhelp or whatever kinda shun down on ubuntu there must be a reason behind it
[09:09] <mike998> oh yeah...
[09:09] <hybrid_> no go to the store get them one of those $40 imac wannabes
[09:09] <YankDownUnder> Only Debian hardcore users beat up on Ubuntu
[09:09] <parazoid> I have an incredible annoying problem: I can?t play midi-files.
[09:09] <andrewski> parazoid: sound muted?
[09:10] <mike998> delltony: there is a distro for everyone... just because it doesn't suit your needs... in this world it tends to be that you become something to shout bad things about
[09:10] <parazoid> andrewski, nope
[09:10] <hybrid_> ubuntu ~= debian and debian user == @$$3$
[09:10] <mike998> heh - there's even room for windows in this world
[09:10] <delltony> well i mean i just don't get it i'm sure like them i could spend hours on end trying to get the thing to work but in all i come to the same conclusion do i not
[09:10] <maggi> I have only one problem with ubuntu. (I use it) I had to apt-get almost all gcc libraries and all stuff
[09:10] <duckdown> What should ~/.xinitrc say? I just did an apt-get install fluxbox... should it just say exec fluxbox?
[09:10] <delltony> or am i missing something
[09:10] <hybrid_> mike998 there is plenty room for windows but only on a house
[09:11] <andrewski> goodbye everyone!
[09:11] <mike998> lol - yeah... but in the computer world too... I have come to learn that there are people who want/need windows
[09:11] <mike998> hell, I use both - windows at work... Linux at home
[09:11] <delltony> well i just don't see what the big problem is with it other than the upgrade is gonna be painful for me probably
[09:11] <delltony> cause i have tried it in stage 4 and it borked
[09:11] <hybrid_> mike998 ; nah lindows or w/e it is now is a good windows replace meant
[09:12] <delltony> i just wanted to get away from m$
[09:12] <hybrid_> mike998 yea i have to use windows at school
[09:12] <mike998> hybrid_:If I could, I would probably use Ubuntu at work, but  because of some stuff I have to use, I am stuck with windows
[09:12] <AlphaXero> i grabbed thingeramik theme engine for gtk2 from synaptic, how do I apply this?
[09:14] <hybrid_> mike998 wine works miracles i tried to use a live cd at my school but our it guy has no idea what linux is and i got in trouble
[09:14] <hybrid_> :P
[09:14] <mike998> I'm stuck with some ActiveX crap and the other weird stuff my company uses
[09:14] <hybrid_> oo i c
[09:15] <mike998> hell, we got farked by MS not so long ago (the company itself) so I have no love for Billy boy
[09:15] <mike998> actually, I have *ahem* borrowed a copy of cedega to try it out... it's great, but I don't play games enough to keep it on my HDD so I think I will fall back to wine
[09:16] <hybrid_> mike998 my school is wierd they have an maac os x server teacher can work and all the client pc's are xp pro
[09:16] <hybrid_> lol
[09:16] <mike998> strange... what is it you do at school?
[09:16] <ren0> zenrox. Thanks worked for the one usb stick. I put another in. It comes up as /media/sdc
[09:16] <duckdown> fluxbox crashes like crazy
[09:16] <hybrid_> mike998 i am still in jr high
[09:16] <duckdown> blackbox owns though
[09:17] <farruinn> I have an interesting situation: I'm installing ubuntu on a B&W G3 and the installer recognizes the harddrive as being master on IDE3 and calls it hdc but Open Firmware sees it as ide1/@0:0. Anyone with more knowledge than me know what's going on?
[09:17] <mike998> ohh okay...
[09:17] <farruinn> I get kernel panics when trying to reboot and finish the installation
[09:17] <ren0> I can copy from sdc but not paste. Says it is read only
[09:17] <zenrox> ren0,  casue it detected a diferent stick so it mounted like its spost to
[09:17] <hybrid_> mike998 yea how many 14 yr olds use linux
[09:18] <mike998> true enough.  I am hoping my 7month old will be using linux as he grows up
[09:18] <maggi> http://www.b2.is/?sida=tengill&id=92309
[09:18] <ren0> When I first started using ubuntu it would just detect the sticks automatically..
[09:18] <hybrid_> mike998 it is funnie they need a new it man and all but the schooling and certification i am qualified
[09:18] <ren0> Without all this using commands. What has happened?
[09:18] <hybrid_> mike998 yea it is good to start them off good. i started with windows 95 rofl
[09:19] <mike998> understood.  I am nearly all self taught myself.  It's been a hard journey, though.
[09:19] <ren0> I have not recompiled the kernel or anything drastic.
[09:19] <Hannes_> hybrid_: I used when I was 14
[09:19] <paulproteus> maggi: I don't know Icelandic :)
[09:19] <hybrid_> mike998 i hear you
[09:19] <Hannes_> :P
[09:19] <paulproteus> (At least, I'm guessing that's Icelandic.)
[09:19] <blah09> evening, i have a question
[09:19] <blah09> can i use the livecd to upgrade warty to hoary?
[09:19] <hybrid_> Hannes_ awesome
[09:19] <paulproteus> blah09: The Live CD is not useful for installing.
[09:19] <mike998> heh... It's true, but in this day and age, it's best if they know how to use windows as well as linux
[09:19] <blah09> oh, it doesnt have the debs?
[09:19] <paulproteus> So, blah09, I'm afraid not.
[09:19] <Hannes_> first tried out in like -00
[09:20] <blah09> can i somehow download the debs from somewhere?
[09:20] <paulproteus> blah09: That's right.  Just the unpacked files, specially modified.
[09:20] <blah09> for someone with a 56k who wants to upgrade to hoary
[09:20] <paulproteus> blah09: You can change "warty" to "hoary" in your sources.list.
[09:20] <paulproteus> blah09: Oh. :)
[09:20] <blah09> =)
[09:20] <mike_douglas> I'm lucky when it comes to school, the IT admin doesn't know much about linux, but I'm given an entire lab to convert to Ubuntu and free range (as long as the lab works)
[09:20] <farruinn> blah09: you could get the hoary install cd and add that as an apt repository
[09:20] <hybrid_> Hannes_ i tried mandrake at 13 but didnt get to do much but then i got my on comp and put ubuntu on it
[09:20] <paulproteus> You can ask someone nicely to send you a CD.
[09:20] <blah09> is there a hoary install cd?
[09:20] <Neil3> mike_douglas, that's awesome
[09:21] <Hannes_> hybrid_: it was something based of RH
[09:21] <hybrid_> mike_douglass i would love to do that
[09:21] <Lindo> see topic blah09 XD
[09:21] <blah09> oh its an install cd too
[09:21] <mike_douglas> Neil3: ya, it's been a great learning experience. LDAP, PXE, DHCP, and Python
[09:21] <blah09> i thought the arrays were only for liveCDs
[09:21] <blah09> =)
[09:21] <Neil3> :)
[09:21] <Lindo> nope =] 
[09:22] <paulproteus> Has anyone here set up a Kerberos realm?
[09:22] <Neil3> nice that schools are taking on open source software
[09:22] <farruinn> Shouldn't ide0 be seen as hda and hdb?
[09:22] <hybrid_> Hannes_ it is funny i went to linux.com and it said installin linux with red hat and i nearly did but it was too big but at the time i had no idea wtf it wuz and my mom would have been mad i was like 12
[09:22] <hybrid_> lol
[09:23] <mike_douglas> It's just much better software, especially on the server side
[09:23] <hybrid_> i think school would be more effect with irc then email
[09:24] <hybrid_> irc on their server b/c i read the employees email all the time
[09:24] <hybrid_> :P
[09:24] <Hannes_> btw I use ubuntu on my "server"
[09:24] <hybrid_> kool
[09:25] <Hannes_> runing irrssi + a place to upload my pix :P
[09:25] <hybrid_> kool
[09:25] <[Spooky] > Hello all, i have a question, ive installed Ubuntu on my kids computer and the mouse dont work, its a serial mouse dont ubuntu support it ?
[09:25] <Hannes_> [Spooky] : wait
[09:26] <Hannes_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SerialMouseHowto
[09:26] <maggi> http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~goldfish/ass.jpg
[09:26] <[Spooky] > Hannes_: thanks
[09:26] <Lindo> lol
[09:27] <Hannes_> nb
[09:28] <linuxn00b> Hi, i'm having problems getting sound juncer and grip to rip mp3, I followed the how-to on ubuntufourms but still notihng :(
[09:28] <vi11e> hi, I can't help you :/
[09:28] <Hannes_> linuxn00b: what does it say?
[09:28] <malte`> how come i installed libqt3-dev-mt and i still can't compile QT apps?
[09:29] <paulproteus> malte`: What error do you get?
[09:29] <paulproteus> You might need --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3/ or =/usr/include/qt/
[09:29] <linuxn00b> well in sound juicer the mp3 button is grayed out and grip says encoder not found
[09:29] <jlj> I'm running hoary with latest updates, when I connect an usb drive I have to kill gnome-vfs-daemon to get the drive to show up on the desktop, is this a known problem?
[09:29] <mat> linuxn00b: tried installing gstreamer-lame ?
[09:29] <edi> hello
[09:29] <linuxn00b> mat yup
[09:30] <bob2> malte`: install build-essential and read /usr/share/doc/libqt3-mt-dev/README.Debian
[09:30] <malte`> thanks bob2 i'll read it
[09:30] <malte`> (i installed build-essentials)
[09:30] <mpq> anyone know if winamp will run with wine?
[09:30] <bob2> I wouldn't bother
[09:30] <bob2> but probably
[09:31] <mpq> I wouldn't either but it's the only player that supports mp3pro encoding
[09:31] <YankDownUnder> mpq: Why ITH would you want to run WinAMP under linux?
[09:31] <omar> has anyone ever had a problem with modifying their $PATH ??  I am installing xfce and it says in cannot find a file even though the file is there?
[09:31] <bob2> then don't do mp3 encoding
[09:31] <linuxn00b> i'm not sure what to do now, because I need these in mp3 format. :/
[09:31] <mpq> I'm not the one who did it
[09:31] <bob2> there's enough proprietary junk in the world already
[09:31] <mpq> some idiot is broadcasting an internet radio station in mp3pro
[09:31] <bob2> gah
[09:31] <mpq> and it sounds horrible without the codec
[09:31] <Hannes_> linuxn00b: rip to ogg
[09:32] <bob2> linuxn00b: install lame.  use grip.
[09:32] <linuxn00b> Hannes_, I would love to but my cd player in the car doesnt play igg
[09:32] <bob2> getting soundjuicer to work would be horribly annoying
[09:32] <mebaran> ok
[09:32] <linuxn00b> bob2, I tried grip it doesnt notice I installed lame
[09:32] <mebaran> so I manually removed every trace of alsa on my system
[09:32] <mebaran> which left me with oss
[09:32] <mebaran> unfortunately
[09:32] <mebaran> now system sounds work
[09:32] <bob2> linuxn00b: it doesn't care if you installed it or not
[09:32] <mebaran> but ALSA will not work at all
[09:33] <mebaran> I need to figure out how to make dpkg restore the device scripts
[09:33] <bob2> linuxn00b: and if it doesn't work, then you didn't install lame properly
[09:33] <bob2> mebaran: "device scripts"?
[09:33] <mebaran> yeah
[09:33] <sgtshatta> how does one change their path $PATH ??
[09:33] <mebaran> the ones
[09:33] <linuxn00b> bob2, well how to I install it right I used synaptic
[09:33] <mebaran> in like /etc/alsa
[09:33] <slackd00d> how do i su - to root in ubuntu? i was never promted to enter a root password during installation
[09:33] <bob2> linuxn00b: install the "lame" package.
[09:33] <bob2> mebaran: you deleted them?
[09:33] <bob2> slackd00d: please read the FAQ
[09:33] <Hannes_> slackd00d: sudo
[09:33] <mebaran> yeah
[09:33] <mebaran> as my sound did not work at all
[09:33] <bob2> mebaran: why?
[09:33] <mpq> which is better, ogg or m4a?
[09:33] <slackd00d> bob2: will do
[09:34] <mebaran> I manually deleted every remnant of alsa
[09:34] <hybrid_> ogg
[09:34] <slackd00d> Hannes_: thanks
[09:34] <mebaran> as stated by whereis
[09:34] <bob2> mebaran: no, you don't ever delete files you don't understand, it will only break things
[09:34] <sgtshatta> slack00d: sudo su
[09:34] <mebaran> well mny sound was completely broken before
[09:34] <mebaran> now only xmms is broken
[09:34] <mebaran> I read the scripts
[09:34] <bob2> yes, and deleting them did not help
[09:34] <zenrox> yep
[09:34] <mebaran> well I get system sounds now bob2
[09:34] <mpq> yeah, I'm not going to bother with winamp
[09:34] <bob2> well, ok, but hat's not because you deleted them
[09:34] <mebaran> I think it is because oss took over
[09:35] <bob2> sgtshatta: what are you trying to do?
[09:35] <mpq> this is listenable for talk radio
[09:35] <mebaran> because alsa cant load anymore
[09:35] <slackd00d> sgtshatta: thank you
[09:35] <sgtshatta> slack00d: no prob
[09:35] <linuxn00b> well if anyone is interested this is my cd player http://tinyurl.com/64pnj
[09:35] <mebaran> bob2
[09:35] <mebaran> what would you suggest then
[09:35] <bob2> linuxn00b: if you can't run "lame" from the command line, you don't have it installed
[09:36] <mebaran> I reinstalled the alsa pakages multiple times
[09:36] <mpq> why is it called lame?
[09:36] <mebaran> and I never go sound
[09:36] <bob2> mebaran: I have no idea what your original problem was, but randoly deleting files is never a good idea
[09:36] <linuxn00b> bob2, I can run it in the command line
[09:36] <mebaran> heheh
[09:36] <bob2> mebaran: how would reinstalling them help?
[09:36] <mpq> that filename is lame
[09:36] <mebaran> I dont know
[09:36] <bob2> right
[09:36] <mebaran> I looked through everything though
[09:36] <mebaran> it was quite baffling
[09:36] <mebaran> the mixer settings were fine
[09:36] <mebaran> amixer said everything was good
[09:36] <bob2> linuxn00b: and you put the right path into grip?
[09:37] <mebaran> esd was loaded
[09:37] <bob2> ok...
[09:37] <mebaran> but still no sound
[09:37] <mebaran> so I decided maybe I should purge my system of alsa
[09:37] <linuxn00b> bob2, it just says lame
[09:37] <mebaran> and do a fresh install
[09:37] <bob2> linuxn00b: try putting the full path in there
[09:37] <mebaran> bob2, how does Ubuntu make the scripts in the first place
[09:37] <topyli> mpq: "Lame Ain't an Mp3 Encoder"? :)
[09:37] <mpq> lol
[09:37] <bob2> mebaran: if you're using OSS, it doesn't matter if they exist or not
[09:38] <linuxn00b> bob2, ok well I put in the whole path now it works thanks :)
[09:38] <mebaran> well I prefer ALSA
[09:38] <bob2> but they come from various alsa-* packages
[09:38] <bob2> so you need to purge and reinstall them
[09:38] <mebaran> because have very poor quality
[09:38] <bob2> and not ever do silly things like that again
[09:38] <mebaran> sorry bob2
[09:38] <mebaran> I thought if it was broken
[09:38] <mebaran> it wouldnt matter if I break it more
[09:38] <e-Jah> re
[09:38] <bob2> I really doubt it was broken
[09:38] <bob2> in that sense, anyway
[09:39] <mebaran> ok
[09:39] <mebaran> I am just going to try a reinstall
[09:39] <bob2> of what?
[09:39] <mebaran> I fix the right way
[09:39] <mebaran> of ubuntu
[09:39] <mebaran> seems the easiest way
[09:39] <bob2> how would that help?
[09:39] <bob2> if it didn't work before, why would it work now?
[09:40] <[Spooky] > man i forgotted the user password on my kids computer, am i f*cked ?
[09:40] <mebaran> try a later disc image
[09:40] <mebaran> maybe they fixed
[09:40] <Gul3> hello, can someone paste me the linux part of theire /boot/grub/menu.lst file?
[09:40] <Gul3> in a new dialog window please
[09:40] <hybrid_> Spooky no
[09:40] <hybrid_> login as root
[09:40] <mebaran> bob2
[09:40] <bob2> [Spooky] : boot the rescue image from grub
[09:40] <hybrid_> then passwd username
[09:40] <mebaran> thanks anyway
[09:40] <[Spooky] > hybrid_: dont have root yet, and no mouse hehe
[09:41] <delltony> want sudo su give him root?
[09:41] <bob2> "won't", yes.
[09:41] <hybrid_> [Spooky]  how do you not have root? o_0
[09:41] <bob2> not if you can't login, tho.
[09:41] <delltony> won't want whatever
[09:41] <hybrid_> not if you cant login
[09:42] <bob2> they are seperate words.
[09:42] <[Spooky] > hybrid_: because i have installed the os and havent had it working since no mouse...
[09:42] <delltony> again who cares :)
[09:42] <hybrid_> o i c
[09:42] <[Spooky] > hybrid_: should i do a re-install ?
[09:42] <hybrid_> well do you have lynx somehow?
[09:42] <bob2> no
[09:43] <bob2> [Spooky] : boot the rescue image from grub
[09:43] <bob2> then set a new password
[09:43] <hybrid_> yea bob2 is prolly got the best idea
[09:43] <[Spooky] > bob2: ok and the command for that is ?
[09:44] <bob2> [Spooky] : for what?
[09:44] <[Spooky] > set a new pass...
[09:44] <delltony> option 2 from the grub menu is it not?
[09:44] <bob2> "passwd user_name" once you've booted into root.
[09:44] <[Spooky] > just passwd login ?
[09:45] <bob2> once you've got in, yes.
[09:45] <[Spooky] > bob2: ok but as i told i dont have root...
[09:45] <bob2> *sigh*
[09:45] <bob2> yes, that's why I said the frst thing twice.
[09:45] <delltony> spooky: restart and when grub comes up there are options
[09:45] <delltony> :)
[09:45] <delltony> i believe its number 2 correct me if i'm wrong
[09:45] <[Spooky] > aha sorry my lamenes hehe
[09:45] <bob2> it's marked "rescue" or "emergency" or such
[09:46] <hybrid_> *hybrid wonders if using a livecd you could change the pass
[09:46] <bob2> yes, of course
[09:47] <bob2> but that's more of a pain in the arse
[09:47] <hybrid_> o
[09:47] <farruinn> has the SupportedHardware wiki page been taken down entirely?
[09:48] <mpq> I tried using those cleaning wipes to get the marker off the computer
[09:48] <mpq> it didn't do a thing
[09:48] <newbie4sure> excuse me .. this may be a bit off-topic
[09:48] <hybrid_> [Spooky]  well any way you can get root you can change the pass pretty much
[09:48] <newbie4sure> but is bsrf down? and y?
[09:48] <farruinn> nm, I was looking for the HardwareSupport page
[09:48] <mpq> if only there was a "sudo pkill marker" command
[09:48] <bob2> "bsrf"?
[09:48] <[Spooky] > hm i dont get any menu in the boot it just start ubuntu...
[09:48] <hybrid_> mpq: lol
[09:48] <bob2> [Spooky] : hit escape over and over
[09:49] <hybrid_> no i want a man page for girlfriend
[09:49] <newbie4sure> bsrf.org.uk
[09:50] <newbie4sure> bob2 ... i meant bsrf.org.uk
[09:50] <darren_> hi everyone...im trying to permanently mount my vfat partition (since thats where my music lives) under warty, ive modified fstab, but i cant get user write access..any ideas?
[09:50] <bob2> that doesn't seem to have anything to do with ubuntu
[09:50] <[Spooky] > bob2: hm dosent happen mutch...
[09:50] <bob2> darren_: umask=002 in the option field
[09:50] <topyli> hybrid_: i have man pages for 'sex', 'people', and all sorts of useful commands like 'bosskill'
[09:50] <bob2> [Spooky] : I don't know what that means
[09:50] <darren_> thanks, ill give it a go
[09:51] <hybrid_> topyli lol how did you do that
[09:51] <SeanQ> Question.
[09:51] <newbie4sure> bob2 ... yeah ... thats y i said excuse me ... sorry if i shldn't have asked abt it...
[09:51] <Neil3> Answer
[09:51] <darren_> bob2...ill test and be back
[09:51] <hybrid_> well a good command is make love or more beer
[09:51] <[Spooky] > bob2: ok well thanks anyway...
[09:51] <bob2> [Spooky] : if you hit escape at the right time, you will get a menu
[09:52] <SeanQ> Somehow, my Rhythmbox stops loading songs..[I have a library of about 1000 over 2 folders]  but still says Loading Songs..?
[09:52] <SeanQ> How can I get these songs to load?
[09:52] <SeanQ> I tried to --debug it but to no avail
[09:52] <bob2> rhythmbox has lots of problems like that, unfortunately
[09:52] <topyli> hybrid_: there's this debian package... manpages-funny or something. there's also one for the asr-manpages (alt.sysadmin.recovery)
[09:52] <cowbud> SeanQ: sometimes just letting it sit there for a long time it will eventually stop..
[09:52] <hybrid_> topli lol
[09:53] <[Spooky] > bob2: did that from the start... with no succsess... il just re-install it...
[09:53] <bob2> er, that's a bit extreme
[09:53] <SeanQ> cowbud, I don't want it to stop, though..I want it to keep loading songs
[09:53] <bob2> s/bit/lot/
[09:53] <SeanQ> well xmms isn't doing much better either
[09:54] <hybrid_> does anyone know of another command line browser besides lynx
[09:54] <randabis> links
[09:54] <randabis> elinks
[09:54] <SeanQ> links
[09:54] <SeanQ> elinks
[09:55] <SeanQ> were just said, lol
[09:55] <SeanQ> w3m
[09:55] <SeanQ> and xemacs + w3m together
[09:55] <randabis> heh
[09:55] <hybrid_> can i apt-get any of them
[09:55] <randabis> yes
[09:55] <hybrid_> ok
[09:56] <Jah_Raztah> Hi, I'm new to the linux scene I was think about trying ubunutu, and I was on the website... now I selected to download and i was taking to a site with a alot of download options, I'm currently running AMD thunderbrid 1.4 ghz and a ECS k7s5a mother board, so which iso would you guys recommend I download
[09:57] <SeanQ> Jah_Raztah, all depends on the processor chipset
[09:57] <SeanQ> is that AMD an AMD-64?
[09:57] <darren_> i tried unmask=002   but i get mount error, unrecognised mount option unmask=002  on startup
[09:57] <bob2> no it doesn't
[09:57] <Jah_Raztah> as i said AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.4 Ghz
[09:57] <bob2> Jah_Raztah: i386 is the only one which will work
[09:58] <bob2> darren_: I said umask, not unmask
[09:58] <SeanQ> Right, that would be an i386..I think
[09:58] <Jah_Raztah> ok thank you bob2
[09:58] <SeanQ> as bob said
[09:58] <SeanQ> yeah, it is an x86/i387
[09:58] <Jah_Raztah> and also thank you SeanQ
[09:58] <SeanQ> i386
[09:58] <SeanQ> No problem, welcome to Linux. :)
[09:58] <darren_> ooops..sorry bob2...misread, ill try again...thanks
[09:59] <Jah_Raztah> this be the one i download warty-release-install-i386.iso?
[09:59] <SeanQ> Yes. :_
[09:59] <Jah_Raztah> alright thanks
[10:00] <SeanQ> Great..now my Rhythmbox won't even open
[10:04] <cyklus> something is very wrong. when i type top total swap is 0k... i have the following line in fstab: /dev/hda4 none swap sw 0 0 ..however when i type df -h this shows up: none 5.0M  2.8M  2.3M  56% /dev  ...anyone know whats going on? ...i should have 512mb swap
[10:04] <darren_> bob2: thanks heaps, windows partition is now working as i want it to under linux :)
[10:05] <zenrox> lol
[10:05] <zenrox> another sucess storie
[10:05] <darren_> lol yeah
[10:05] <bob2> cyklus: that line from df has nothing to do with your swap partition
[10:06] <cyklus> bob2: ok, but still doesnt explain why i have no swap space
[10:06] <darren_> anyway, im off...cya all later
[10:06] <darren_> thanks again
[10:06] <bob2> cyklus: well, true, but it's still unrelated
[10:06] <zenrox> cyklus,  at 512 mbs of ram you dont really need a swap
[10:06] <bob2> "swapon -s" is the only thing that gives information about swap
[10:06] <bob2> er, yeah you do
[10:07] <bob2> I have 512MB of ram and 447MB of swap in use
[10:07] <zenrox> but not as much
[10:07] <zenrox> i have 256mbs of swap
[10:07] <farruinn> os x uses swapfiles, does windows use swap space at all?
[10:07] <zenrox> and i only use 3 megs of that swap
[10:07] <bob2> farruinn: yes
[10:07] <zenrox> very badly too
[10:07] <bob2> swapfiles like linux and mac os x, more or les
[10:08] <mebaran> I am having ALSA trouble
[10:08] <cyklus> bob2: it returns nothing when i type swapon -s
[10:08] <bob2> then you have no swap
[10:08] <mebaran> bob2, I am now back to square one
[10:08] <mebaran> I have done a clean reinstall
[10:08] <bob2> wow
[10:08] <bob2> I'm really surprised reinstalling didn't magically fix it!
[10:08] <bob2> ;)
[10:08] <cyklus> bob2: any idea why?
[10:08] <mebaran> now how would I go about trouble shooting this properly
[10:08] <Pinguvin> how do i edit the kernel boot-up arguments from gnome?
[10:08] <mebaran> no
[10:08] <mebaran> I knew it wouldnt
[10:08] <bob2> cyklus: sudo swapon -a
[10:08] <mebaran> I just wanted to get back to this
[10:08] <bob2> Pinguvin: with a text editor
[10:08] <bob2> anyway, adios
[10:08] <qpid> does it give a x scp/ssh/sftp client in the packets?
[10:08] <Pinguvin> bob2: yes but where is it
[10:09] <mebaran> a point from which everything is setup
[10:09] <cyklus> bob2: swapon: /dev/hda4: Invalid argument
[10:09] <bob2> Pinguvin: /boot/grub/menu.lst or so
[10:09] <Pinguvin> bob2: thanks
[10:09] <mebaran> so does anyone have any idea as ti how to fix it
[10:09] <bob2> qpid: no, that would be pointless, but nautilus can do sftp.
[10:09] <bob2> mebaran: you're being so vague that no one can help you
[10:09] <mebaran> ah
[10:09] <mebaran> Well I dont know where to begin
[10:09] <mpq> is there a word for an op that's above other ops and can therefore do whatever he wants?
[10:10] <bob2> mebaran: write an email to the list explaning what you think isn't working, and why
[10:10] <mebaran> I have all the modules loaded
[10:10] <bob2> mpq: no
[10:10] <mebaran> and mixer
[10:10] <bob2> mpq: there are ircops, but that's different
[10:10] <mebaran> seems to be setup right
[10:10] <mpq> there should be a word
[10:10] <bob2> cyklus: then perhaps that partition doesn't exist
[10:10] <bob2> mpq: why?
[10:10] <qpid> bob2: hmm ok
[10:10] <qpid> bob2: thx
[10:10] <bob2> or do you mean "channel founder"?
[10:10] <mpq> there's this guy in another channel that spontaneously spammed
[10:10] <cyklus> bob2: i just checked and its there... and set as linux swap / solaris
[10:10] <bob2> ok!
[10:10] <mpq> and he runs the website that the channel's for
[10:10] <mpq> so nobody can touch him
[10:11] <qpid> somone knows a well x scp client? ;)
[10:11] <bob2> so move to a channel without idiot ops
[10:11] <bob2> irc politics is about as pointless as anything in the universe
[10:11] <mpq> lol
[10:11] <mpq> nobody really cares
[10:11] <mebaran> so bob2, what list would I go to then
[10:11] <mebaran> to report my misfortune
[10:11] <mpq> he said "I WILL DRIVE FOR YOU" nine times in a row
[10:12] <cyklus> bob2: i checked /dev and its there ad well
[10:12] <mpq> well, I just made a troublesome discovery
[10:12] <mpq> the touchpad off button doesn't do anything in linux
[10:12] <tha_gamemaster> I think I've got the nvidia driver loaded but glx isn't working right, I installed it using the ubuntu packages
[10:12] <mpq> the light goes on and off when I press the button but the touchpad stays on
[10:12] <bob2> try again, and follow the instructions exactly
[10:12] <ziggity> Is there anyone who's successfully installed monodevelope IDE
[10:13] <mebaran> I believe it is a mixer problem
[10:13] <mebaran> but I really wouldnt know
[10:14] <mebaran> bob2, but magically, since the reinstall Evolution works
[10:14] <mebaran> what a world this is
[10:14] <redissexy> where do windows network directroies get mounted?
[10:14] <blah09> whereever you specify in /etc/fstab
[10:15] <duckdown> How can I get the VGA font for my x terminals?
[10:15] <SeanQ> this is making me mad.
[10:15] <arbeck> can someone help me with importing mail?  I have a mail folder that I copied from my old thunderbird install on my old PC... i'd like to import the inbox into my current mail, how do I do that?
[10:15] <sasib2> Hello room. :)
[10:15] <redissexy> blah, and when it's mounted with the nautilus/gnome features?
[10:16] <ziggity> Is there anyone who's successfully installed monodevelope IDE
[10:16] <blah09> no idea ive never done it that way before ;)
[10:16] <sasib2> anyone good at trobleshooting the xwindows installation?
[10:16] <redissexy> tks :)
[10:17] <Gul3> is it possible to grant write access to my ntsf partition using ubuntu live cd?
[10:17] <sasib2> ive been all throught he forums with out luck :(
[10:18] <Gul3> sasib2: talking to me?
[10:18] <sasib2> anyone who is interested in helping
[10:18] <moquist> Gul3: I didn't think Linux had safe NTFS write access at all.  ??
[10:18] <njan> Gul3, you probably can, but I wouldn't recommend it
[10:19] <njan> Gul3, NTFS write in linux (even in 2.6) breaks stuff
[10:19] <njan> Gul3, unless you're editing a file and not changing the length.
[10:19] <Gul3> njan: i want to transfer some files from my broken linux partition to the ntsf partition using ubuntu live cd. possible?
[10:19] <njan> Gul3, I wouldn't recommend it.
[10:20] <eyequeue> i thought there was some third-party app that allowed safe ntfs writes, by using an existing copy of ms libraries or something
[10:20] <njan> Gul3, I'd stick them on a networked machine, USB key, CD, or FAT32 partition.
[10:20] <vi11e> transfer your Ntfs drive to fat drive
[10:20] <Gul3> i've got neither
[10:20] <sasib2> anyone good at trobleshooting the xwindows installation?
[10:20] <vi11e> with partitino magic in windows
[10:20] <Gul3> ville: how?
[10:20] <Gul3> ok
[10:20] <eyequeue> a non-free app, iirc
[10:20] <vi11e> if you really have so important stuff
[10:20] <vi11e> that you really must get them
[10:21] <blah09> can qtparted do that?
[10:21] <Gul3> wouldn't that break my windows system?
[10:21] <tha_gamemaster> anyone using the nvidia binary drivers downloaded from the synaptic package manager
[10:21] <wliu> can anyone explain why my sound card doesn't work?  I hear the startup sound play.  but after I log in, none of my sounds work.
[10:21] <sri> hey is anybody going to support ntfsresize in the ubuntu install?
[10:21] <LinuxJones> tha_gamemaster, what problem ar eyou having ?
[10:21] <vi11e> first you should check google about transforming ntfs to fat32 etc... if your ntfs is empty or useless stuff in there... then  you can do it at least
[10:21] <apokryphos> tha_gamemaster: I am
[10:21] <sri> so that you can resize existing XP filesystems?
[10:21] <apokryphos> Seem to be working fine
[10:22] <tha_gamemaster> LinuxJones, apokryphos, glx isn't loading.
[10:22] <Gul3> hmm.. i think i'll try this another way. is it possible to split up a file into parts in linux?
[10:22] <vi11e> Gul3,  well if you have your windows on that ntfs .... I don't know if it is safe.. read somewhere or maybe someone here knows
[10:22] <moquist> sasib2: I don't know if I'm "good", but I'll be happy to hear about your problems.  :)
[10:22] <LinuxJones> tha_gamemaster, did you add glx to your xf86config-4 file ?
[10:22] <sasib2> thx, moquist
[10:22] <moquist> Gul3: are you familiar with the 'dd' command?
[10:22] <Gul3> moquist: no
[10:22] <moquist> Gul3: are you comfortable on the command line?
[10:22] <tha_gamemaster> LinuxJones add glx where?
[10:23] <Gul3> moquist: yes
[10:23] <Gul3> moquist: a bit..
[10:23] <moquist> Gul3: man dd, and pay close attention to the 'seek' and 'skip' options
[10:23] <LinuxJones> tha_gamemaster, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:23] <sasib2> moquist, i cant get xwindows to start after installing ubuntu
[10:23] <moquist> Gul3: that's one way to split up a file
[10:23] <eyequeue> that ntfs write app, "captive", for nyone interested :  http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[10:23] <projectmayhem> hey everyone, windows user hoping to swtich over here and have a few questions about installing on a new hard drive... if I want to copy all of my windows files over to a new master drive, do i first have to set the new drive as a slave to copy all of hte files from my master drive over?
[10:23] <Gul3> moquist: i don't understand man pages. lol
[10:23] <tha_gamemaster> LinuxJones there is a load glx reference under the modules, is there another place it has to be?
[10:23] <sasib2> moquist, it keeps having a fatal error
[10:23] <moquist> Gul3: oh, i forgot "are you comforable with man pages?"  ;)
[10:24] <Gul3> moquist: lol :)
[10:24] <LinuxJones> tha_gamemaster, that should be it
[10:24] <apokryphos> I can't seem to find the article that allows you to have a Graphical root account; can anyone help?
[10:24] <Gul3> moquist: i want to take it anoter way around then. how can i mount a iso file in linux using this live cd?
[10:24] <LinuxJones> tha_gamemaster, it has nvidia set for the video driver ?
[10:24] <moquist> Gul3: basically, you tell dd where to get data ("if"), where to put it ("of"), how big each data chunk should be ("bs", I use "bs=1M"), and how many data chunks to move ("count").
[10:25] <tha_gamemaster> LinuxJones yes, nvidia is the driver not nv, and I don't see the nvidia splash screen, also nvidia-settings doesn't work correctly.
[10:25] <moquist> Gul3: then you can tell dd how much of the input to skip ("skip") and how far to seek into the output before writing ("seek").
[10:25] <moquist> Gul3: oh, that's way easy.
[10:25] <moquist> Gul3: mount -oloop -tiso9660 /path/path/path/myiso.iso /mnt/tmp/
[10:25] <LinuxJones> tha_gamemaster, try modprobe nvidia
[10:26] <moquist> sasib2: hmm...
[10:26] <sasib2> how can i check what ubuntu picked up for video with out a GUI?
[10:26] <LinuxJones> tha_gamemaster, then /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:26] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  it sounds like you're looking for two things from the guide url in the /topic  one, root password, two, allowing x logins for root
[10:26] <tha_gamemaster> LinuxJones ok brb
[10:26] <moquist> sasib2: are you familiar with your /etc/X11/XF86Config file (Warty) or /etc/X11/xorg.conf file (Hoary)?
[10:26] <projectmayhem> hey everyone, windows user hoping to swtich over here and have a few questions about installing on a new hard drive... if I want to copy all of my windows files over to a new master drive, do i first have to set the new drive as a slave to copy all of hte files from my master drive over?
[10:26] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  neither are considered wise, but both are documented there
[10:26] <linuxn00b> hi, on the top tool bar I cannont clear the stuff thats in "recent documents" i'm using warty :)
[10:27] <sasib2> moquist, nope sorry, new to linux
[10:27] <apokryphos> eyequeue: Don't worry, I'll be alright ;). I can't seem to find the documentation for allowing GUI for root, though.
[10:27] <apokryphos> I'm almost certain I saw it...
[10:27] <Gul3> moquist: thanks! then i can just burn out cd's from the iso! (it is a dvd iso but i just have a cd-writer)
[10:27] <LinuxJones> sasib2,  cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | grep Driver   will list the drivers for your devices
[10:28] <sasib2> moquist, im on a dell inspiron 1100 laptop
[10:28] <moquist> sasib2: I'd try 'sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config' to see your config file.  that's where I would start looking to answer the question you asked.
[10:28] <moquist> sasib2: also, have you looked at your X server log output?
[10:28] <ziggity> Is there anyone who's successfully installed monodevelope IDE
[10:28] <sasib2> moquist, no i havent,
[10:28] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  just a sec
[10:28] <apokryphos> k
[10:28] <moquist> sasib2: and google is your friend, of course.  "ubuntu dell inspiron 1100 laptop"  :)
[10:29] <sasib2> moquist, ty, 1 min gonna try the commands above
[10:29] <sasib2> :)
[10:29] <cblack> ziggity, it installs fine in hoary
[10:29] <ziggity> cblack, How do I update warty to hoary
[10:29] <duckdown> How can I install the VGA font for my x terminals?
[10:29] <projectmayhem> can someone here help me with a question about switching over from windows?
[10:30] <moquist> sasib2: oh - here it is.  do "sudo nano /var/log/XFree86.0.log" also.
[10:30] <ubernoob> projectmayhem: whats your question?
[10:30] <cblack> ziggity, modify your sources.list. there are a multitude of docs on it at the website.
[10:30] <moquist> sasib2: and you can switch between several different "virtual terminals" while you work on this - just use Alt+F{1,2,3,4,5,6}.
[10:30] <moquist> sasib2: that way you can multitask.
[10:30] <projectmayhem> I am going to move all my old windows data to a new Hard drive and set that as my master drive, but I want to install linux on the old drive after I move all the files over
[10:31] <apokryphos> eyequeue: I've gotta go for about 10 minutes (feel free to type it and I'll check when I'm back). Thanks in advance for your help, either way. =)
[10:31] <projectmayhem> but I need to know if I have to set up the new hard drive as the slave drive until I copy my old files over to the new hard drive, then set it up as the master
[10:32] <projectmayhem> or can i just set up the new drive as master and copy my old files from the old "slave" drive?
[10:33] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  i read it too, right under the "how to set your root password" iirc, but i can't find it now
[10:33] <SeanQ> I LOVE IT I LOVE IT
[10:33] <ubernoob> projectmayhem: you are booting into windows?
[10:33] <SeanQ> my internet "breaks" twice
[10:33] <SeanQ> first time is because i wrote the wrong word: prism2_usb instead of wlan0
[10:33] <ubernoob> projectmayhem: when you are copying, or in linux?
[10:33] <SeanQ> second time is because i plugged my adapter in the wrong way
[10:33] <projectmayhem> in Windows
[10:33] <SeanQ> lol both of those times my fault. LOL.
[10:33] <sasib2> moquist, there is nothing (blank screen except menu) in sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config
[10:34] <ubernoob> projectmayhem: then i think it is easier to set the new harddrive as slave when you are copying
[10:34] <sasib2> moquist, and i cant get out of it..... :(
[10:34] <tha_gamemaster> LinuxJones, thanks so much!  Everything seems to be ok, my glxgears fps is a little low, but at least it works. ^_^
[10:34] <projectmayhem> ubernoob: ok, thanks. do you know how long it takes to copy a hard drive (approx. 90 gb of data) to a new one?
[10:35] <qpid> can i use xawtv without any problems under ubunut?
[10:35] <LinuxJones> tha_gamemaster, ok great you should add nvidia to /etc/modules so that it will load automatically when you reboot
[10:35] <aarplane> hwllo
[10:35] <aarplane> *hello
[10:35] <projectmayhem> hwllo to you to aarplane
[10:35] <moquist> sasib2: uh, CTRL+x gets you out of nano
[10:35] <ubernoob> projectmayhem: it depends on the speed of the harddrive, and if they are on the same physical cable and all that stuff, but i guess it will take at least an hour
[10:36] <aarplane> getting ubuntu now :)
[10:36] <tha_gamemaster> LinuxJones, yea that's what took me so long to get back, I was making sure everything loaded at boot, so after a few reboots, all is well. ^_^
[10:36] <projectmayhem> ubernoob: thanks, cuz i was hoping to do this tonight (starting in a bout an hour) and i didn't want to be up past 11...
[10:37] <duckdown> 90 gigs will be a while
[10:37] <duckdown> if its normal 7200rpm
[10:37] <ubernoob> projectmayhem: then you can just leave the comuter working tonight
[10:38] <ubernoob> now i have to reboot to my ubuntu... good luck with the copying
[10:39] <projectmayhem> duckdown: how long?
[10:40] <usual> ljlane, sup man
[10:40] <projectmayhem> duckdown: it's 7200 rpm western digital
[10:40] <apokryphos> eyequeue: So I thought, too. Thanks anyhow.
[10:40] <apokryphos> Does anyone else know where the article is that allows you to enable GUI for root?
[10:42] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  i think the keyword you want is "gdm" rather than "gui" (but then, i've just failed in my search, so maybe not)
[10:42] <atmos> anyone know what package provides rake ?
[10:42] <benjanet> is there a virtual package to get gcc, autoconf, automake, etc ?
[10:43] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  are you in x now?  as primary user?
[10:43] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  i can walk you through it
[10:43] <projectmayhem> also anyone know a good virtual pc program to run windows in linux?
[10:44] <apokryphos> eyequeue: That would be really great :)
[10:44] <apokryphos> I'm as Primary user, yes.
[10:44] <magnon> benjanet: build-essential
[10:44] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  computer > system configuration > login screen setup (user's password for gksudo)
[10:44] <magnon> at least that's some of it
[10:45] <apokryphos> eyequeue: Ah, I'm not a Gnome-er.
[10:45] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  security > allow root to login with gsm
[10:45] <apokryphos> I'll login into Gnome in a bit, though, if it'll be easier there
[10:45] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  security > allow root to login with gDm
[10:45] <apokryphos> eyequeue: Oh, not so long. I'll make a note of it. Thanks :)
[10:46] <benjanet> magnon, thanks :p
[10:46] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  security > allow root to login *remotely* with gsm is probably something to *avoid* btw
[10:46] <apokryphos> eyequeue: What would that entail?
[10:46] <apokryphos> I only plan on enabling it, really, so that I can run programs (if I want) as root from my own user (using Konsole).
[10:47] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  those are two checkmarks on the graphical configuration utility.  the bottom of the two is the more-dangerous, allowing remote attack a bit more
[10:48] <apokryphos> eyequeue: Right, I'll try it now.
[10:49] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  if you're using kdm rather than gdm, there may be an equivalent setup util, i just don't know it myself
[10:51] <ziggity> ok.. I need to get the synaptic manger on warty working so's I can load the monoDevelop IDE.. HELP Please
[10:53] <qpid> naja wnsche dann mal ne angenehme gute nacht cya
[10:55] <audiored> hello all.. I have a question about installing guifications for gaim.  i've followed all the directions on the forums and it still isn't working for me.  anyone that could help me figure out what i'm doing wrong?
[10:58] <audiored> hello?
[10:59] <eyequeue> what are quifications?
[10:59] <audiored> it's a plugin for gaim
[10:59] <audiored> gives a bubble notification when you have a msg from someone
[10:59] <FR500> hello
[11:00] <devo> hey, FR500
[11:00] <FR500> i get this error during an installation
[11:00] <FR500> *** X libraries or include files not found. Check 'config.log' for
[11:00] <FR500> *** more details.
[11:00] <FR500> what do i need?
[11:00] <edulix> hi !
[11:00] <ziggity> ok when I try the synaptic manager for monodevelop it finds nothing. Why
[11:00] <devo> I've got a no sound problem with Kaffeine at the moment.  The movie trailers pop up and run the video smoothly but no sound comes out.  Any suggestions?
[11:01] <apokryphos> eyequeue: It didn't work... :(
[11:01] <apokryphos> Didn't seem to change anything
[11:01] <eyequeue> apokryphos:  perhaps you are using kdm rather than gdm, which that configures?
[11:01] <apokryphos> I am ;-)
[11:03] <eyequeue> i guess you'll need to find out how kde configures their kdm
[11:03] <apokryphos> eyequeue: I guess I'll have to enable GDM than
[11:03] <apokryphos> eyequeue: I know how, but the option isn't there for it.
[11:03] <devo> FR500: what does the config.log file say?
[11:03] <FR500> where can i paste?
[11:03] <eyequeue> while you're welcome to ask here, being a gnome-based desktop, you might find the answer faster in another channel (don't take that wrong)
[11:03] <pepsi> http://www.pastebin.com
[11:04] <apokryphos> eyequeue: I understand :), but I don't mind using GDM. It's prettier anyhow ;)
[11:04] <FR500> http://www.pastebin.com/241509
[11:05] <apokryphos> eyequeue: will just have to find out how to re-enable it ;)
[11:05] <eyequeue> heh
[11:05] <devo> hey, umarmung!
[11:05] <FR500> devo
[11:05] <umarmung> hi devo
[11:05] <FR500> saw it?
[11:06] <devo> didn't see anything: FR500
[11:06] <saif> hello every1,
[11:06] <FR500> http://www.pastebin.com/241509
[11:06] <devo> umarmung: are you up for another question today?
[11:06] <audiored> I have a question about installing the gaim plugin guifications.  if anyone can help pls IM me. (and yes i've followed all the directions and tried all the suggestions on the forums and then some) thanks..
[11:06] <FR500> devo check the link please
[11:06] <umarmung> devo, sure
[11:07] <devo> FR500: I looked at the link.  Don't think I can help though.  Sorry.  Out of my league.
[11:08] <saif> i am trying to install ubuntu for a friend of mine, he doesn't have anetwork card, so it give me an error that the network could not be configured, and then another error that a step failed in the installationa and i should go back to the menu to redo the failed step!
[11:08] <devo> umarmung: I've got Kaffeine's plugin for quicktime installed and the player pops up nicely on movie trailer sites like Apples.  But there's no sound. Any tweeks that i should consider right off?
[11:08] <FR500> no prob
[11:09] <saif> i try going into partioining, i get the same error, nothing is working! must i have a network card to install ubuntu?
[11:09] <umarmung> devo, i had this issue with totem-xine, i installed an older codec and everything went fine
[11:09] <umarmung> devo, i posted it on the forums, give me a second
[11:10] <devo> hi, bascule!
[11:10] <bascule> he devo :)
[11:10] <Pinguvin> mplayer wont open. how can this be fixed?
[11:10] <devo> Bascule: back with more problems here.
[11:10] <bascule> if you have a motherboard that doesn't support APM don't build it into the kernel .. ;)
[11:10] <apokryphos> Pinguvin: Have you followed the instructinos for the "Restricted Formats" on the site?
[11:11] <delltony> curious when hoary becomes final stable? is it gonna be recommended to do a clean install or an upgrade?
[11:11] <saif> hehe, ok, a different error: Kernel Panic: no init found!
[11:11] <saif> HELP!
[11:11] <bascule> devo: what are they?
[11:11] <Pinguvin> apokryphos: i followed the instructions on ubuntuguide.org
[11:11] <bascule> saif, check that you have support for your file system hard wired in the kernel e.g. * no M
[11:11] <eyequeue> delltony:  dist-upgrade
[11:11] <apokryphos> delltony: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[11:11] <devo> bascule: I've got Kaffeine's plugin for quicktime installed and the player pops up nicely on movies but there's no sound.
[11:11] <bascule> saif: if you compiled it yourself that is
[11:11] <delltony> ok hopefully it will work for me after it becomes complete
[11:12] <saif> bascule: no, i have the installation cd!
[11:12] <bascule> devo: ffmpeg4
[11:12] <umarmung> devo, kaffeine uses xine right? read this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3450
[11:12] <delltony> i tried the current one and i got totally borked had to reinstall
[11:12] <apokryphos> Pinguvin: and can you play avi/mpgs in other players? i.e. xine
[11:12] <delltony> expected of course but you know how it is want the latest greatest :)
[11:12] <devo> bascule: install it?
[11:12] <bascule> yes
[11:12] <bascule> gstreamer -ffmpeg4 or something its called
[11:12] <Pinguvin> apokryphos: yes i tried xine. it played but no sound
[11:13] <bascule> apt-cache search ffmpeg
[11:13] <apokryphos> Pinguvin: Yup; you need to follow all the instructions for the "Restricte Formats"; I had the exact same issue. Hold on, I'll link you.
[11:13] <apokryphos> Pinguvin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:13] <delltony> good deal thanks apokryphos thats some good info
[11:13] <Pinguvin> apokryphos: thank you :)
[11:14] <devo> bascule: found a ffmpeg
[11:14] <apokryphos> np
[11:14] <delltony> can't wait also will you be able to order cds? i like showing them of to my friends haha even though i'm not cool it make me appear to be haha
[11:14] <delltony> off even
[11:14] <Pinguvin> apokryphos: but i can play mp3s though..
[11:15] <apokryphos> Pinguvin: Don't worry about that; that's a completely seperate issue. =)
[11:15] <Pinguvin> apokryphos: i see.. :)
[11:15] <ziggity> ok when I try the synaptic manager for monodevelop it finds nothing. Why
[11:15] <saif> bascule: it says ext2-fs error ( device ram0): ext2_check_page: bad entry in directory #287 : rec_len is smaller than minimal-offset = 0, inode=0, rec_len = 0, name_len=0 and then another one with the same stuff but directory #261 . Try passing init= option to kernel
[11:16] <bascule> saif you have installed ubuntu, or this is during the install?
[11:16] <saif> this is before i even start the install!
[11:16] <bascule> borked cdrom IMO
[11:16] <saif> bascule right at the start.
[11:16] <bascule> cd disc rather .. ooops
[11:17] <saif> bascule: well, i used the same cdrom to instal into 3 other machines and i had no problems!
[11:17] <bascule> saif: did you check the md5 of the disc before burning it?
[11:17] <bascule> saif: it isn't a tiny machine mith an MSI crom is it?
[11:18] <farruinn> I'm having the problem described at www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8050 but the solution posted there didn't work. Anyone willing to help?
[11:18] <saif> bascule: it's anormal machine, not tiny, and the disc is the one that i got from ubuntu ( official ) the motherboard is slotek and cpu amd
[11:19] <bascule> no I meant Tiny the PC manufacturer, perhaps they only exist in europe
[11:19] <devo> bascule: no dice with the ffmpeg install.  still no sound.
[11:20] <bascule> VIA chipset I assume ..
[11:20] <bascule> saif: ^
[11:20] <saif> bascule: oh, nop never heard of it, it's not the tiny pc manufacturer, nor is it Tiny! :) yes, VIA
[11:20] <bascule> devo I dunno then cause mine 'just works'
[11:20] <Sav> can i see where my windows partion is located? /dev/hdaxx ?
[11:21] <bascule> saif: I had a machine for repair the other day, Tiny VIA chipset, not even knoppix could boot it, XP was fine though :(
[11:21] <bascule> VIA are a pain, always have been always will be
[11:21] <macewan> so sayeth
[11:21] <GammaRay> and I do :-P
[11:22] <GammaRay> and it is :-P
[11:22] <eyequeue> sav: sudo fdisk -l
[11:22] <saif> bascule: so the guy can't use ubuntu?? shame!
[11:22] <GammaRay> you probably ran into an nvidia chipset or something
[11:22] <bascule> GammaRay: there is always one, plug 4 USB devices into it, back and front, watch it cry ... :P
[11:23] <ryan_> anyone ever try pearpc ?
[11:23] <bascule> saif: try knoppix on it, see how it does, if it is fine submit an ubuntu bug to the ISO section
[11:23] <GammaRay> no.. but it sounds tasty
[11:23] <marccd> how can I install php mysql support in ubuntu?
[11:23] <marccd> from the debian unstable repo?
[11:24] <macewan> can't you apt get?
[11:24] <hawkman> Anyone who say Via is fine has never had to do hardware support on components that can be plugged in a VIA chipset MB :)
[11:24] <evarlast> marccd: apt-get install php4-mysql
[11:24] <farruinn> marccd: it's best not to mix ubuntu and debian repos
[11:24] <farruinn> they're like oil and vinegar
[11:24] <macewan> I use it at work - no problems
[11:24] <saif> well, i donno, i added the universe repos and the apt-get, donno which repository did it though!
[11:24] <macewan> marccd^
[11:24] <bascule> GammaRay: this thing wasn't nForce, I dunno what it was, but proprietry motherboard i guess was the problem
[11:24] <Sav> How do i mount a windows drive so i can have access it without beeing root?
[11:25] <marccd> farruinn: on
[11:25] <bascule> saif: http://ubuntuguide.org
[11:25] <bascule> Sav: ^
[11:25] <bascule> sorry saif
[11:25] <|rufius|> hey.... its bascule, whats up?
[11:25] <ryan_> http://pearpc.sourceforge.net
[11:25] <bascule> hey | |rufius| just kickin about and annoying #ubuntu, yourself ? :)
[11:26] <|rufius|> working on some backports for ubuntu and about to commit them :)
[11:28] <farruinn> |rufius|: do you version yours correctly?
[11:28] <|rufius|> farruinn: what do you mean?
[11:28] <farruinn> backports can cause lots of pain for people when they upgrade if the versions aren't correct
[11:29] <bascule> devo: what permissions do you have in /dev/sound/*, I had/have to chmod 1666 /dev/sound/* to get flash in any browser ( yes I belong to the audio group) so that might be it
[11:29] <|rufius|> farruinn: I do them according to how my *boss* tells me
[11:29] <farruinn> jdong?
[11:29] <|rufius|> we have our own extension to our packages (~4.10ubp<rel num>)
[11:29] <|rufius|> farruinn: yes
[11:30] <audiored> i'm having problems installing guifications, a plugin for gaim.  anyone help me figure out what i'm doing wrong?  thanks
[11:30] <saif> guys, how do i use the init option during installation?! i am running into some trouble and i got a message to use the init option
[11:30] <randabis> damn, since installing gentoo I'm using ubuntu less and less :/
[11:31] <farruinn> audiored: search ubuntuforums.org, there was a post about that
[11:31] <bascule> hmm, severe lag, back in a minuit
[11:32] <audiored> yes yes.. i've followed all the directions.. even made my own post regarding this issue.  i've tried all the suggestions and more. but it still isn't working for me
[11:32] <audiored> =(
[11:32] <bascule> lag and a half
[11:36] <dargo> bueno gente
[11:36] <dargo> buenas noches!
[11:38] <mpq> is there a reason xmms would suddenly stop playing radio?
[11:39] <randabis> the server could be having problems
[11:39] <Cindux> help
[11:39] <randabis> you could try out streamtuner too
[11:39] <Cindux> is Linus Torvalds still alive?
[11:39] <randabis> yes
[11:39] <Cindux> oh wow
[11:39] <Cindux> lol
[11:39] <randabis> and he still works on the kernel
[11:39] <Cindux> jesus
[11:40] <Cindux> im a bit out of date aren't I
[11:40] <randabis> the linux kernel is only about 13 years old
[11:40] <Cindux> ye but he was born in 60's or something
[11:40] <Cindux> thought MS might have killed em :P
[11:40] <hawkman> wich in computer terms means it's about on par with the pyramids :)
[11:40] <randabis> hah
[11:40] <eyequeue> that's rather young
[11:41] <ziggity> Is there anyone who's successfully installed monodevelope IDE
[11:41] <bascule> Cindux: think he was born in 1970, look it up
[11:41] <eyequeue> it'd not like finns have a short life expectency or something
[11:41] <bascule> he was only 23 a linux 1.0
[11:41] <devo> bascule: there seems to be no /dev/sound on my system!
[11:41] <Cindux> hm
[11:41] <randabis> shouldn't it be /dev/dsp?
[11:41] <bascule> devo: how about a /dev/snd
[11:41] <ziggity> can anyone help with an error message?
[11:41] <bascule> /dev/dsp should link to /dev/sound/dsp
[11:41] <bascule> devo: /dev/snd/8 really
[11:42] <bascule> /dev/snd/* <-- sorry :-/
[11:42] <devo> bascule: yes that's there.  btw, my xmms with streaming radio and other system sounds all work.
[11:42] <eyequeue> 12/28/1969 helsinki finland
[11:42] <bascule> eyequeue: thanks :)
[11:42] <stuNNed> is hdparm deprecated in hoary?
[11:42] <eyequeue> just a bit before the start of the epoch, heh
[11:43] <bascule> eyequeue: I was real close :P
[11:43] <randabis> stuNNed, not that I know of
[11:43] <eyequeue> yep
[11:43] <wm_eddie> How do you tell synaptic to install a package that it says "is not going to be installed"
[11:43] <ziggity> help with this error please ...
[11:44] <audiored> i'm having problems installing guifications, a plugin for gaim.  anyone help me figure out what i'm doing wrong?  i've followed all the directions on the forums.. even made my own post regarding this issue.  i've tried all the suggestions and more. but it still isn't working for me.  =(
[11:44] <bascule> devo ls -l /dev/dsp
[11:44] <stuNNed> randabis: thnx
[11:45] <randabis> stuNNed, yeah it's still there at any rate, I've used it
[11:45] <apokryphos> umarmung: Sweet; it's working fine now. =)
[11:46] <devo> bascule: crw-rw----    1 root     audio     14,   3 2005-02-13 12:23 /dev/dsp
[11:46] <apokryphos> thanks
[11:46] <umarmung> apokryphos, np
[11:46] <devo> umarmung: went to the site you noted and did the installs and tweaks but no dice yet.  thanks anyhow.
[11:46] <umarmung> apokryphos, for the future: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm <--- the correct way
[11:46] <Cindux> hm
[11:47] <Cindux> can anyone help with a minor ACPI issue ?
[11:47] <apokryphos> umarmung: Yup; thanks.
[11:47] <bascule> devo: chmod 1666 /dev/dsp
[11:49] <devo> bascule: nope  :(
[11:49] <devo> bascule: again the video is fine but the sound is out.  also I get an immediate shutdown at times and KDE error dialog.
[11:50] <devo> bascule: occasionally
[11:50] <umarmung> ziggity, i installed monodevelop on hoary
[11:50] <bascule> devo: KDE, a well now artsd, is a possibility here. You said kaffeinr correct?
[11:50] <raydoo_> hello
[11:50] <bascule> kaffeine*
[11:51] <devo> bascule, yes kaffeine is the plugin and application I'm spinning up.
[11:51] <spinifex> hello
[11:51] <bascule> <-- knows almost nothing about KDE
[11:51] <raydoo_> may i ask a question ?
[11:51] <bascule> <-- tempted to say something horrible
[11:51] <devo> bascule: i'm just trying to get the movie trailers up.  i don't have religion on what does it.
[11:51] <zenrox> raydoo_,  ask away
[11:51] <apokryphos> raydoo_: No!! Why, of course you can. =)
[11:52] <spinifex> I've got the default install of gnome on hoary.  When I hit logout, it freezes up my 'applications/places/desktop' bar, and waits about 5 minutes before asking me what type of logout I want to do
[11:52] <raydoo_> i just installed ubuntu
[11:52] <raydoo_> when it was finisied i changed my username ^^
[11:52] <raydoo_> now i cant sudo anymore
[11:52] <devo> bascule: i tried installing mplayer as it works well for my SuSE 9.1 installation but it doesn't seem to be happy in Ubuntu land.
[11:52] <bascule> devo: nor me, try this one in a console mplayer -cache 500 -playlist some.usr.you.want
[11:52] <apokryphos> raydoo_: You're no longer the primary user. You'll have to configure the new user to be one, to be able to sudo etc..
[11:52] <spinifex> raydoo_, can you still login the old account?
[11:52] <delltony> question, whats the command line for alsamixer to raise the volume i'm trying to configure lineakd to raise my pcm volume
[11:53] <raydoo_> its the primary acc with changed username
[11:53] <GammaRay> raydoo_: take a look at /etc/sudoers as your old user. duplicate the line w/ your old user, but w/ your new user
[11:53] <raydoo_> and iam no longer in sudo list
[11:53] <apokryphos> delltony: in Terminal, type "alsamixer". Can change it in there.
[11:53] <raydoo_> ok lets look
[11:53] <delltony> yeah but i need the command as in aumix -w +5 or whatever
[11:53] <sladen> GammaRay: in that case, boot into '(recovery mode)' and then edit it
[11:54] <audiored> sorry to keep spamming this question.. but.. i'm having problems installing guifications, a plugin for gaim.  anyone help me figure out what i'm doing wrong?  i've followed all the directions on the forums.. even made my own post regarding this issue.  i've tried all the suggestions and more. but it still isn't working for me.  =(
[11:54] <bascule> audiored: #gaim ?
[11:54] <delltony> ill do some more reasoning and see what i can come upu with
[11:54] <delltony> thanks
[11:54] <audiored> ok i'll ask there.  =)
[11:54] <tweek_> if source is available for different distros should i get debian if they dont have ubuntu?
[11:55] <tweek_> for a game
[11:55] <zenrox> tweek_,  waht game
[11:55] <raydoo_> but i just changed the username
[11:55] <raydoo_> didnt create a new one
[11:55] <spinifex> raydoo, how did you change it?
[11:55] <bascule> raydoo_: hoe do you change a username?
[11:55] <bascule> heh
[11:55] <tweek_> scroched earth 3d
[11:55] <raydoo_> in the system conf menu users groups
[11:55] <tweek_> scorched*
[11:55] <zenrox> debian should work tweek_
[11:55] <raydoo_> and i cant acces it now anymore ^^
[11:56] <tweek_> thanks :)
[11:56] <spinifex> hmm, that looks like a problem
[11:56] <raydoo_> yep ^^
[11:56] <zenrox> tweek_,  but if it dont get the source and compile it your self
[11:56] <tweek_> well its source for debian
[11:56] <zenrox> oh
[11:56] <zenrox> then n/p then
[11:56] <tweek_> cool
[11:57] <tweek_> i like compileing :)
[11:57] <raydoo_> any ideas ?
[11:57] <zenrox> me too
[11:57] <lupusBE> where are the help files of gnome apps stored?
[11:57] <tweek_> i want google for your desktop ported to linux :)
[11:57] <devo> bascule: gave an "empty playlist" warning.  no dice.
[11:58] <bascule> raydoo_: root::0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash make a line exactly like that in /etc/passwd
[11:58] <devo> Is there a place one can get the beta hoary hedgehog .iso?
[11:58] <sladen> tweek_: it's called 'Beagle'
[11:58] <bascule> devo: try without -playlist
[11:58] <spinifex> bascule, how can he do that without root priveleges?
[11:58] <fallker> hey all
[11:58] <bestadvocate> tweek_: it would be nice if beagle could enter its results into googles homepage, just like desktop search, then we would have a fully open source solution,  best of both worlds
[11:58] <bascule> mplayer -cache 500 some.usr.you.want
[11:58] <bascule> spinifex: oh yeah, damn ..
[11:58] <jba> hey guys, is there a planet.ubuntu.org or something?
[11:59] <bestadvocate> jba:?
[11:59] <tweek_> cool
[11:59] <ssamf> can someone running hoary try something for me? run "gthumb /" from the comandline, it is consistantly crashing for me
[11:59] <jba> like with planet.gnome.org,
[11:59] <bascule> raydoo_: you can only do it from a chroot in a livecd/other distro
[11:59] <jba> found it, planet.ubuntu.com
[11:59] <raydoo_> ah ok
[11:59] <spinifex> raydoo, looks like you're gonna have to hack your own computer.  or reinstall or something.
[11:59] <bestadvocate> ssamf: it crashed on me too
[11:59] <raydoo_> yep ^^
[11:59] <sladen> bestadvocate: the way to do that is with a firefox plugin that hooks requests to www.google.*  ---have you suggested it as a wanted feature?