[12:00] <bascule> I think, that really is problematic, alternatively try booting to 'linux single' from grub
[12:00] <pertz> Anyone here have experience with RAID1 boot arrays?
[12:00] <bascule> and edit things from tehre, but IIRC that is locke din debian based distros
[12:00] <ssamf> i filed a bug at the gnome bugzilla 167305
[12:00] <sladen> ssamf: gthumb does seem to be crashing a fare bit for me in Hoary, can you file a bug if you have a specific test case
[12:00] <bestadvocate> sladen: no i havent, should that be sugested to firefox people or beagle people?
[12:00] <raydoo_> can i edit the grub file ?
[12:00] <spinifex> there's a way to get root from grub, right?
[12:00] <bascule> raydoo_: no, you are really  locked out
[12:00] <sladen> bestadvocate: both---double the chance of getting it done!
[12:01] <sladen> bestadvocate: +approaching the problem from both ends
[12:01] <bestadvocate> sladen: slick ;-] 
[12:01] <ssamf> who should i inform at the ubuntu end?
[12:01] <tweek_> i am the omni-potent com-oie-olor!
[12:01] <bascule> raydoo_: but you can do things a boot time with grub, I dunno though lilo all the way, never learned grub
[12:01] <tweek_> pie*
[12:01] <raydoo_> me 2 ^^
[12:01] <bascule> at lilo boot: linux single
[12:02] <sladen> ssamf: file a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com pointing to the upstream bug number number
[12:02] <ssamf> ok thanks
[12:02] <bascule> tab or escape will get it there from a graphical boot selector
[12:02] <devo> bascule: that works!
[12:02] <binks> hi all
[12:02] <bascule> devo: heh, secret arcane mplayer knowledge ...
[12:02] <raydoo_> grub has menu with option recorvery mode
[12:02] <Cindux> does ubuntu have a slogan ?
[12:02] <Cindux> or maybe a saying ?
[12:02] <bascule> try it either way on all streams either with or without -playlist
[12:02] <raydoo_> but i think it wants the password again
[12:03] <bascule> always doa cache size .= 500 too
[12:03] <Cindux> I'm guessing it could be what Ubuntu actually means, Humanity to Others
[12:03] <bascule> >= 500 *
[12:03] <raydoo_> oh it doesnt
[12:03] <raydoo_> now that is a leak
[12:03] <devo> i wonder if there's a way of changing the mozplugger to do all this, bascule
[12:04] <bascule> devo: if you ever work out how to add that to x-application thingys in browsers let me know .. :)
[12:04] <binks> how do i give cdrecord and cdrao root privilidge
[12:04] <pertz> Okay, does anyone know anyone who's not around right now who may know something about software RAID1 boot arrays that will probably be around later?
[12:05] <spinifex> binks: that users and groups option raydoo used seems to do it
[12:05] <Cindux> Could anyone help me with a minor ACPI problem?
[12:05] <Cindux> < - Linux Newb
[12:05] <bascule> pertz: that is a greeat question :)
[12:05] <devo> bascule: I suspect you tweak the /etc/mozpluggerc
[12:05] <binks> did i miss that
[12:06] <binks> i only just joined
[12:06] <spinifex> desktop->administration->users and groups.  Does checking your box for access to cd writing help?
[12:06] <pertz> Well I guess I'll go mess with it some more and check back later. If anyone pops up in the mean time, message me.
[12:06] <pertz> TIA
[12:06] <tweek_> uhhh after i compile something wheres it install to =\
[12:06] <Pinguvin> whats the warn button in gaim for?
[12:06] <tweek_> after make isntall
[12:07] <spinifex> pinguvin: I think it's an ability to kick someone off AIM or something..
[12:07] <devo> bascule: there's also the helper applications area in mozilla for routing MIME stuff to applications.
[12:07] <bascule> tweek_: depends wht --prefix= you gave it, if any. usually /usr/local/<wherever>
[12:07] <tweek_> thanks
[12:07] <Pinguvin> spinifex: okey.. cause in msn it does nothing :)
[12:07] <bascule> tweek_: /usr/local/bin/<some app> most likely
[12:07] <farruinn> tweek_: add /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/sbin to your $PATH
[12:07] <tweek_> k
[12:07] <spinifex> http://www.aim.com/help_faq/using/win/warnings.adp?aolp=
[12:08] <Pinguvin> :D
[12:08] <tweek_> :(
[12:08] <tweek_> its not in there
[12:08] <binks> spinifex u lost me desktop>admin from what menu
[12:08] <farruinn> tweek_: what did you install? and did you run make install as root?
[12:08] <bascule> devo: OK, I use opera/firefox mostly, I no it is probably possible, never bothered thoough, I'm quite happy pasting it to a shell in fromt of mplayer -<whatever>?
[12:08] <tweek_> scortched earth and yes
[12:09] <SiRrUs> binks why do you need to allow those root access
[12:09] <Cindux> Can anyone help me with an ACPI problem ?
[12:09] <Cindux> its probably very minor but im a linux newb
[12:09] <binks> co i get an error when i start k3b
[12:10] <SiRrUs> start k3b like this
[12:10] <mjt> i hardly believe there's a minor acpi probs out there.. every acpi prob usually turns out to be quite.. serious ;)
[12:10] <spinifex> binks: the default gnome menu...
[12:10] <binks> i use alt f2
[12:10] <SiRrUs> gksudo k3b
[12:10] <raydoo_> that did it thx for help
[12:10] <spinifex> what did it?  raydoo, did you get sudo back?
[12:11] <binks> i see if i start it with root got it thanks m8
[12:11] <SiRrUs> yw
[12:12] <devo> bascule: the big problem is that the direct URLs are often hidden by JavaScript mumbo jumbo.
[12:12] <bascule> yeah, it reall sucks, I haven't cracked that yet
[12:12] <spinifex> read the scripts and find out what they really open
[12:13] <Cindux> :
[12:13] <Cindux> :
[12:13] <Cindux> still didnt work
[12:13] <spinifex> but then that's usually hidden by php mumbo jumbo and such
[12:13] <Cindux> um, can anyone help me with a minor ACPI issue plz :
[12:13] <bascule> spinifex: sometimes it is hard to do that in can be a pop-up to a php query
[12:13] <spinifex> yeah
[12:13] <spinifex> with random numbers generated for a single request
[12:14] <bascule> yup
[12:14] <bascule> database stuff, need to r00t the box for a stream :P
[12:14] <spinifex> lol, you can assume if they do that that they don't want you messing with it, right?
[12:14] <bascule> too true, makes me wanna do thigs to them though :P
[12:15] <raydoo_> yes in grub there is an option secure startup it goes direct to the root console
[12:15] <bascule> raydoo_: well you are in then :)
[12:15] <raydoo_> ;)
[12:16] <spinifex> is there an ubuntu package for the java runtime environment?  (2, aka 5)
[12:17] <delltony> question if i wanted to add a program to start when x starts where do i add the command its /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc correct?
[12:17] <bascule> think so ubuntuguide.org has a section on it so ...
[12:17] <bascule> spinifex: ^
[12:18] <bascule> delltony: depends on the dektop, systemwide migh go in there
[12:18] <SticknClutch> Hello fellow Ubuntians
[12:18] <pw> how does one edit an alternative?
[12:18] <delltony> just wanted to put lineakd in there so it would bind my keys
[12:19] <ziggity> help.. wit installing monoDevelop on ubuntu?
[12:19] <SticknClutch> Quick question: does anyone know how to configure a 7 button mouse, like the Logitech MX500 on X server?
[12:20] <bascule> delltony: there is an easy way in gnome to do it, desktop preferences -> keyboard shortcuts, just click a bit when it says new accelerator hit the relevant key
[12:20] <delltony> ok
[12:20] <crimsun> SticknClutch: relatively straightforward: make sure you have Buttons and ZAxisMapping options in your X Window System conffile
[12:20] <bascule> I actually laughed when I saw how easy they had made it
[12:21] <tobbe> How do I install .deb files?
[12:21] <devo> bascule: thanks for all the help, laters!
[12:22] <bascule> devo np
[12:22] <bestadvocate> sladen: someone from the beagle IRCroom said  "<protactin> bestadvocate: someone has been writing a beagle web service, if that's the kind of thing you mean"
[12:22] <BockBilbo> hello
[12:23] <bascule> hey BockBilbo
[12:23] <sladen> bestadvocate: describe actually what you're after, and then they'll know whether it's the same or not
[12:23] <BockBilbo> :D
[12:23] <coulix> ho guys if i want to convert a divx back to dvd waht are the soft requred, there is for the inverse dvd->divx  :/
[12:23] <Mutacion> hi there :) how can i give access to all the users.. so they can use the command "shutdown" cause only root have access to ir
[12:24] <coulix> sudo
[12:24] <BockBilbo> Mutacion, modify the sudoers list and use sudo
[12:24] <bascule> tobbe: dpkg -i
[12:24] <tobbe> thanks
[12:24] <Cindux> Can anyone help me with an ACPI problem?
[12:25] <Mutacion> ok thanks ;)
[12:27] <tobbe> bascule, do you remember that you tried to install linuxdcpp yesterday but it didn't work because you got a compilation error? I asked in #linuxdc++ today, and they said it was a known error that only causes ubuntu users. They had no idea why it happened :(
[12:28] <tobbe> *causes = happens to
[12:28] <Cindux> shitz lol
[12:29] <Cindux> uh im out of ideas
[12:29] <Cindux> can anyone a poor linux newb with a very simple ACPI problem :(
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> Cindux: what's up
[12:29] <Cindux> er well
[12:30] <Cindux> basically when I shut down my ubuntu pc
[12:30] <Cindux> it first goes Power Down.
[12:30] <Cindux> then ACPI Off
[12:30] <Cindux> and then hangs...
[12:30] <Cindux> at first like y old machine i thought it would be ok just to do it manually
[12:30] <Cindux> ubt then my startups (and only my startups) lag
[12:30] <Cindux> I have a feeling it''s not on ?!?
[12:31] <rubixXx> will the debian package for cedega work?
[12:31] <HrdwrBoB> rubixXx: yes
[12:31] <HrdwrBoB> Cindux: acpi is on by default
[12:31] <spinifex> anyone know why gnome would hang for a long time when I try to logout?
[12:31] <Cindux> well do u know why this could be happening
[12:31] <rubixXx> ok
[12:31] <rubixXx> ty
[12:32] <Cindux> the way its so slow after when i startup again
[12:32] <Cindux> feels like its bad
[12:32] <Cindux> like shutting down windows improperly lol :P
[12:33] <bascule> tobbe: sorry i was off, not true about only ubuntu, it failed for me under another distro too
[12:34] <HrdwrBoB> Cindux: what do you mean by slow
[12:34] <Cindux> Well you know when it says "Starting Ubuntu....."
[12:34] <Cindux> that part takes at least 15-20 seconds longer
[12:34] <Cindux> when it goes through all the [ ok ] 's
[12:35] <Cindux> Plus I always get Temporary Failure In Name Resolution [ fail ] 
[12:35] <tobbe> bascule, which one?
[12:36] <bascule> Cindux: ah, now that might explain things, it orbit having hostname issues
[12:36] <bascule> tobbe: sourcemage
[12:36] <bascule> designed for compilation, its a source distro ...
[12:36] <Cindux> lol im confused bascule
[12:36] <tobbe> so it's not based on Debian then?
[12:36] <Cindux> but i had this issue with my new pc which is the one having acpi problems
[12:36] <Cindux> and my old compaq
[12:36] <Cindux> the name issue
[12:36] <bascule> tobbe: nope all tarballs
[12:37] <mcphail> Cindux: does it stall at "configuring network interfaces" at startup?
[12:37] <scott> howdy all
[12:37] <raydoo_> good night
[12:37] <scott> quick question for someone, i dont think its a biggie :)
[12:38] <scott> :(
[12:38] <cblack> just ask
[12:38] <duckdown> lol
[12:38] <duckdown> really
[12:38] <Cindux> mcphail
[12:38] <Cindux> yes it does
[12:39] <Cindux> thats the part it mainly stalls
[12:39] <scott> durring install i disabled 1024x768
[12:39] <Cindux> ?
[12:39] <scott> only getting 600x480
[12:39] <Cindux> huh lol
[12:39] <scott> how do i enable the higher resolution?
[12:39] <cblack> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:40] <scott> thx
[12:40] <mcphail> Cindux: press CTRL and C during the "configuring network" part. You must have an ethernet card which isn't being used to connect to the internet.
[12:40] <Cindux> woah
[12:40] <mcphail> Cindux: You can just skip the network config
[12:40] <Cindux> my external broke so i had to remove it
[12:41] <Cindux> modem *
[12:41] <bestadvocate> has anyone here gotten mono running on hoary?
[12:41] <magnon> bestadvocate: sure
[12:41] <pertz> Does anyone know Gyorgy Nemeth?
[12:41] <magnon> without trouble
[12:41] <Cindux> ok, so does that mean its ok to turn it off manually after ?
[12:41] <dadsdas> hey
[12:42] <mcphail> Cindux: don't worry about "temp failure of name resolution". It's just that you're not connected to the internet at this point.
[12:42] <Cindux> well i was tempoarily
[12:42] <Cindux> i took the modem from the family pc to do updates etc
[12:42] <tobbe> I'm trying to install gPHPedit, but it requires a whole bunch of stuff that's newer than what I can get with apt-get. What should I do in a case like that?
[12:42] <dadsdas> Could someone help me with the apt-get system on installing nvidia drivers for graphics card
[12:42] <Cindux> ok that solves 2 things :P
[12:42] <bestadvocate> magnon: using synaptic?
[12:42] <Cindux> thanks alot mcphail & bascule :d
[12:42] <mcphail> Cindux: no probs
[12:43] <bascule> welcome
[12:43] <magnon> bestadvocate: uhm, that I can't remember, probably apt-get. But just install a mono app having universe enabled and it should work
[12:43] <tobbe> should I upgrade to Hoary?
[12:43] <cblack> if you have to ask that question probably not. :-)
[12:43] <bascule> tobbe: looks like i
[12:43] <Cindux> ill brb gonna test it
[12:43] <dadsdas> Could someone help me with the apt-get system on installing nvidia drivers for graphics card
[12:44] <bascule> http://ubuntuguide.org
[12:44] <dadsdas> ive checked still stumped
[12:44] <tobbe> cblack, so what would you suggest?
[12:44] <spinifex> dadsdas, wait, doesn't the installer made by nvida work?
[12:44] <bascule> dadsdas: you have nvidiaglx in?
[12:44] <dadsdas> no
[12:44] <cblack> tobbe, what does it need that warty doesn't have? not familiar with the app.
[12:45] <dadsdas> when i go to do a init 3 it does nothing, i can change into any othe inti levels but not init 3 which is required by it
[12:45] <bascule> nah sudo killall gdm from ctrl+alt+F2
[12:45] <bestadvocate> sladen:  they say this feature already exists!
[12:45] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me how to acces to webmin?
[12:45] <bestadvocate> sladen: that its not enabled by default
[12:46] <BockBilbo> i have just downloaded it
[12:46] <tobbe> cblack, libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.8.3-7), libgpg-error0 (>= 1.0), libgtkhtml2-0 (>= 2.6.2), libtasn1-2 (>= 0.2.8)
[12:46] <flowerss> anybody tried to use iFolder in Ubuntu?
[12:46] <bascule> BockBilbo: webmin site FAQ
[12:46] <scott> cblack, you there?
[12:46] <mpq> ACK
[12:46] <mpq> I was playing super mario 64 ds
[12:46] <bestadvocate> magnon I just tried to install it it wont let me.  says packages are missing
[12:46] <bascule> BockBilbo: you need to add a password somewhere tehn log into a certain port http://127.0.0.1:????
[12:46] <cblack> tobbe, have you tried building it from source?
[12:47] <cblack> scott, yep
[12:47] <mpq> and the mario outline just started wonking out
[12:47] <mpq> like he's possessed or something
[12:47] <magnon> bestadvocate: try it from the console and you'll get a more detailed output maybe
[12:47] <scott> thx, i followed your advice, but do i have to reboot?
[12:47] <tobbe> no, but wouldn't the source require the same libs?
[12:47] <cblack> scott, i don't believe you need to reboot. log out and back in.
[12:47] <scott> it seemed to accept it but i still dont have the higher option for resolution
[12:48] <scott> ok, thx
[12:48] <mpq> wrong window... I meant to type that in the random talk about anything channel
[12:48] <BockBilbo> bascule, its something like that
[12:48] <BockBilbo> the problem is that when installing it from the apt
[12:49] <BockBilbo> it creates a root account
[12:49] <BockBilbo> with the root passwd
[12:49] <BockBilbo> and i dont really have a root account... cause im using sudo as most ubuntu users
[12:49] <BockBilbo> :S
[12:49] <bestadvocate> magnon: the package mono is not found
[12:49] <Cindux> hm
[12:49] <Cindux> seems ok now :P
[12:49] <sladen> bestadvocate: see if it is
[12:50] <mcphail> good
[12:50] <Cindux> just wonderin mcphail, if I want to use the Onboard eth again
[12:50] <Cindux> this wont recoccur again will it /
[12:50] <ziggity> how do I unlock a folder /file >>
[12:50] <bascule> BockBilbo: I haven't used it in ubuntu, but surely changing the password where the FAQ suggests will sort it
[12:50] <bestadvocate> sladen: i am trying to install mono so i can install beagle, but mono seems quite difficult to install on my hoary system
[12:51] <cblack> bestadvocate, it's simple to install.
[12:51] <mcphail> Cindux: just ctrl-c.
[12:51] <cblack> did you even read the guide that's linked to off of the beagle wiki?
[12:51] <Cindux> =/
[12:51] <ziggity> how to resolve this.. > Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:51] <Cindux> i did
[12:51] <Cindux> i meant
[12:52] <BockBilbo> bascule, im trying that.. but webmin is not beeing installed where it should.. so i first have to figue out wher it was installed
[12:52] <Cindux> say i want to hook it up with an external modem
[12:52] <Cindux> and use the onboard lan again
[12:52] <Cindux> will i have to use control c everytime /
[12:52] <mcphail> Cindux: Every time you boot?
[12:52] <cblack> bestadvocate, you can also do an apt-cache search mono and find tons of things.
[12:52] <Cindux> like everytime i shut down
[12:52] <Cindux> will i have to do conrol c
[12:53] <bascule> BockBilbo: nasty, maybe #debian will know better
[12:53] <shithead> bah
[12:54] <ale_> hi there
[12:54] <bestadvocate> cblack I did;  "The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:54] <bestadvocate>   monodoc-base: Depends: mono-jit (>= 1.0.1) but it is not installable or
[12:54] <bestadvocate>                          mono-mint (>= 1.0.1) but it is not installable
[12:54] <bestadvocate>                 Depends: mono-assemblies-base (>= 1.0) but it is not going to be installed
[12:54] <bestadvocate> ebone: Broken packages
[12:54] <bestadvocate> "
[12:54] <bestadvocate> sorry for clog
[12:55] <cblack> what were you trying to install?
[12:55] <cblack> i have mono-jit 1.0.5-1 installed out of hoary
[12:55] <BockBilbo> bascule, ive solved the prob
[12:55] <BockBilbo> :d
[12:55] <BockBilbo> thanks
[12:55] <bascule> np
[12:56] <bascule> webmin is a nice tool, I know some guys sware by it and use it on *lots* of machines
[12:56] <mpq> 4chan is hilarious
[12:56] <ale_> anyone knows how to fix the problem of Hoary booting Xorg @ 640x480
[12:56] <ale_> ?
[12:56] <bestadvocate> cblack how did you get mono-jit
[12:56] <mpq> on an imageboard they were nearing 700000 posts
[12:56] <mpq> the mods reset the count at 699999
[12:56] <mpq> it was great
[12:57] <mz_> ale_, have you done an upgrade from warty?
[12:57] <ale_> mz_ > yep
[12:57] <cblack> bestadvocate, when i installed monodevelop
[12:57] <mz_> ale_, encountered something like that earlier today :) do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:58] <bestadvocate> cblack : Package mono-jit is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:58] <bestadvocate> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:58] <bestadvocate> is only available from another source
[12:58] <bestadvocate> ebone: Package mono-jit has no installation candidate
[12:58] <ale_> mz_ > been there, done that, still at 640x480
[12:58] <mz_> have to say, i really like that Shared Folders SMB/NFS configuration tool in Gnome 2.9, especially when it actually works
[12:58] <bascule> ale_: and you can't turn up the res in gnome's own tools?
[12:58] <mz_> unlike its kde counterpart has done for years :)
[12:58] <cblack> bestadvocate, odd. might be a messed up dependency in hoary currently. give it a day or so and it'll hopefully straighten out. you do have universe enabled though, right?
[12:59] <bestadvocate> cblack: i tried about 3 weeks ago, same problem
[12:59] <ale_> bascule > nope, I only get 640x480
[12:59] <bestadvocate> im just jelous you got it working :-] 
[12:59] <bascule> what do you have for modes in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[12:59] <cblack> bestadvocate, and you have universe enabled?
[12:59] <mz_> ale_, what sort of a display adapter do you have?
[01:00] <bestadvocate> cblack: yes and multiverse as well
[01:00] <AndyR> lo all
[01:00] <bestadvocate> cblack:it gives me some packages but not all listed
[01:00] <cblack> bestadvocate, odd
[01:00] <ale_> mz_ >  Silicon Motion, Inc. SM720 Lynx3DM
[01:00] <ale_> driver "siliconmotion"
[01:01] <ale_> looks like xorg is b0rked
[01:01] <cblack> bestadvocate, i've installed monodevelop on several machines in the past few days out of hoary, never had an issue with the depenencies.
[01:01] <ale_> xfree worked great
[01:01] <bestadvocate> cblack: maby its cause I am running amd64?
[01:01] <cblack> bestadvocate, ahhhhh. that very well could be, yes.
[01:01] <bascule> ale_: xorgconfig
[01:03] <bestadvocate> cblack: i should have thought before puting myself in the minority of minorites, 64s on linux on unstable :-] 
[01:03] <cblack> bestadvocate, hehe. maybe take a look at the bug reports? someone may have more info for the amd64 platform.
[01:03] <mz_> oh, i see... and you're sure you upgraded everything and none of your warty packages have been kept back? such as x-window-system-core (this is something that happened earlier, too :)
[01:04] <bestadvocate> cblack: doin that right now, I did this before, but they used too much jargon that I didn't get
[01:04] <ale_> mz > let me check...
[01:06] <ale_> x-window-system-core is still installed
[01:06] <ale_> but somehow its version number was bumped to 6.8.1?
[01:06] <bascule> that is xorgs numbering
[01:06] <pagefault> anyone have any idea what I need to get the nforce sound driver installer to work?
[01:07] <mz_> and you have xserver-xorg installed?
[01:07] <ale_> mz_ > yep
[01:07] <mz_> ale_, now that's strange
[01:08] <ale_> I removed x-windows-system-core
[01:08] <pagefault> hmm
[01:08] <mz_> noo, don't do that
[01:08] <ale_> restarting X, brb
[01:08] <Arthur> hi there, guys..
[01:08] <pagefault> nm
[01:08] <pagefault> figured it out
[01:08] <MMA[Cory] > Hello all. Im tryin to make a luancher for the waste basket. Ide like to put the trash in a desklet.
[01:09] <Arthur> does anyone know if there is a wireless test tools on the live cd (warthy)?
[01:09] <Arthur> I need to test the wi-fi network here..
[01:09] <mz_> ale_, no, don't remove it
[01:09] <Arthur> and dont know how can I do this with the livecd..
[01:09] <Arthur> Coulde anyone help me, please?
[01:10] <ale_> damn
[01:10] <crimsun> Arthur: (you could use Knoppix)
[01:10] <Arthur> what do you men?
[01:10] <Arthur> mean*?
[01:10] <ale_> 640x480 again
[01:10] <crimsun> Arthur: www.knoppix.de
[01:11] <Arthur> cant test it running from ubuntu livecd?
[01:11] <Arthur> When I talk about livecd I mean ubuntus one.
[01:11] <crimsun> Arthur: I've never tried, thus I can't say.
[01:12] <Arthur> does anyone has any idea of how to do it?
[01:12] <crimsun> Arthur: tried searching the wiki and the forum?
[01:13] <Arthur> thank you, crimsun.
[01:13] <Arthur> Ill try somethig
[01:14] <zbowling> ubuntu rocks!
[01:15] <GammaRay> can I have one?
[01:16] <Neil3> happy valentines day folks!
[01:17] <MMA[Cory] > Anyone know of a tool to automate mounting drives? ie: editing the fstab.
[01:17] <Neil3> tastes like chicken?
[01:17] <GammaRay> nmo.. corn
[01:17] <Neil3> hm
[01:17] <GammaRay> MMA[Cory] : gnome-volume-manager/hal/dbus
[01:18] <MMA[Cory] > thanx man. \m/
[01:19] <mpq> my wireless card doesn't work
[01:19] <^jaco> exit
[01:19] <ziggity> hi how do I find a default source.list
[01:20] <sig_ubuntu> anyone else have gdesklets fail to start?
[01:20] <mpq> I don't know how to turn the wireless card on
[01:21] <MMA[Cory] > I just got em to work today. :) Whats the problem?
[01:21] <jcoxon77> mpq,  what is your wireless card?
[01:21] <mpq> it's broadcom
[01:21] <AndyR> mpq, what card is it?
[01:21] <mpq> I already used ndiswrapper to install the driver
[01:21] <MobyTurbo> ziggity, apt-setup
[01:21] <AndyR> ndiswrapper?
[01:22] <mpq> there's a button on the case that turns on the card when I press it
[01:22] <jcoxon77> mpq, if you type dmesg in the console is there reference to it?
[01:22] <mpq> but it only works in windows
[01:22] <AndyR> lol, too wlow
[01:22] <arbeck> can someone tell me how to import thunderbird mail from an old directory into my new thunderbird?
[01:22] <cowbud> is there an experimental branch of packages more so than hoary?
[01:23] <MattG> hello?
[01:23] <AndyR> mpq, is nic on supported list?
[01:23] <mpq> huh?
[01:24] <bascule> arbeck: tools import ... ??
[01:24] <mpq> it worked when I first installed the driver
[01:24] <AndyR> i have tried some wifeless cards that dont work with ndiswrapper
[01:24] <mpq> but I couldn't connect with it because I didn't have the WEP key
[01:24] <mpq> and now it's off
[01:24] <jcoxon77> mpq, open the root console up and type 'iwconfig'
[01:25] <AndyR> a few i tried installed ok but didnt work afterwards
[01:25] <Drizzt321> anyone in here running amd64?
[01:25] <arbeck> bascule: the only option it gives me when i do that is netscape commnuicator
[01:25] <mpq> it says no wireless extensions
[01:25] <jcoxon77> mpq, is the driver loaded? 'lsmod'
[01:25] <AndyR> not supported then ?
[01:25] <mpq> the driver is installed
[01:26] <bascule> arbeck: manually cp * them to the new folder, i dunno
[01:26] <mpq> but the card isn't on for some reason
[01:26] <AndyR> driver installed doesnt mean anything
[01:26] <mpq> okay, I typed lsmod
[01:26] <mpq> but what am I looking for?
[01:26] <MMA[Cory] > sorry to ba a noob but what is "gnome-volume-manager/hal/dbus" ? :) I thought it was a command or a path. :)
[01:26] <jcoxon77> mpq, ndiswrapper perhaps
[01:26] <mpq> I have ndiswrapper
[01:26] <mpq> I already used it to install the driver I needed
[01:27] <mpq> it was working before
[01:27] <Neil3> dbus is a thing that sends messages around your programs i believe
[01:27] <arbeck> bascule: i tried that... it didn't seem to work
[01:27] <jcoxon77> mpq, so when you type lsmod is ndiswrapper listed?
[01:27] <mebaran> Anybody here having problems with their ALSA
[01:27] <mebaran> when the mixer and the modules look like they loaded
[01:27] <kent> MMA[Cory] , its a set of programs that handles hardware in a way that makes it transparent to the user, sort of. but im not an expert so i might have got it wrong.
[01:27] <bascule> arbeck: there is a local folders in account settings that allows a browse, mabe add a new account
[01:27] <mpq> jcoxon77: I'm not sure
[01:27] <bascule> hang on I saw something like this ther other day
[01:28] <jcoxon77> mpq, okay try this, in the console type lsmod|grep ndiswrapper
[01:28] <AndyR> mpq, http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/List
[01:28] <MMA[Cory] > Thanx kent. Is there a way to find those apps?
[01:28] <mpq> I already have ndiswrapper AndyR
[01:28] <mebaran> any takers
[01:28] <mebaran> heck this is a new box
[01:28] <mebaran> I am willing to give ssh access
[01:29] <mpq> nothing happened jcoxon77
[01:29] <AndyR> mpq, see if card is listed
[01:29] <mebaran> to fix it
[01:29] <mebaran> heheh
[01:29] <MMA[Cory] > Im tryin to automount network drives with a gui.
[01:29] <mebaran> it is the most baffling thing
[01:29] <jcoxon77> mpq, that means the driver isn't mounted
[01:29] <mpq> AndyR, I already have ndiswrapper AND the driver AND it was working before
[01:29] <jcoxon77> mpq, give me one sec and i'll tell you what to do
[01:29] <mpq> then how do I mount it?
[01:29] <AndyR> before when?
[01:30] <jcoxon77> mpq, modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:30] <jcoxon77> mpq, then iwconfig again
[01:31] <mpq> oh, it's working now
[01:31] <mpq> thanks
[01:31] <jcoxon77> mpq, no worries
[01:32] <mpq> now I just need the WEP key for the network
[01:32] <mpq> that my mom lost
[01:32] <AndyR> add it to /etc/modules
[01:33] <kent> MMA[Cory] , why would you want to find them? They should be running on your computer, and they are by designed made transparent, i think. If they dont work its a bug :)
[01:33] <bascule> mpq: change it in the router, using a) the ethernet port b)windows and the USB connection
[01:34] <mpq> I can't change the router
[01:34] <bascule> why? Isn't in your 'vacinity' :)
[01:34] <kent> godnight.
[01:34] <mpq> two other people in this house use the wireless
[01:34] <bascule> get the key from them
[01:34] <mpq> they lost it
[01:34] <MMA[Cory] > Kent, Im just tryin to automount network drives without manually editing the fstab.
[01:35] <bascule> or change it and change everybodys
[01:35] <MMA[Cory] > Lookin for a gui to do it.
[01:35] <jcoxon77> mpq, you'll probably have to reset the router
[01:35] <mpq> I can't do that because it would screw up their computers
[01:35] <Cube-ness> hmm.. anybody know why i cant get DRI stuff anymore on my igp radeon in my laptop?
[01:35] <MMA[Cory] > I really dont wanna mess up the fstab
[01:35] <Cube-ness> hehe
[01:35] <bascule> well reset the router too factory defaults, if none of you have the key it needs changed ...  wtf is goin on in your house...??? :)
[01:35] <mpq> and they wouldn't let me because it's "my fault that I can't use the wireless for screwing with my computer"
[01:36] <bascule> nah, they lost the keys, useless to everybody
[01:36] <mpq> no, because their computers work
[01:36] <mpq> they only had to enter it once
[01:36] <bascule> what happens when their doze machines get owned by a worm (inevitable) and they have to reinstall/replace dlls
[01:36] <jcoxon77> mpq, use their computers to access the router and find the keys from there
[01:36] <mebaran> Anybody here willing to help with a mysterious and baffling ALSA problem?
[01:36] <mpq> they wouldn't let me do that
[01:37] <mpq> I don't know how I'd find it on theirs anyway
[01:37] <mebaran> oh and how do I get the ms core fonts
[01:37] <bascule> find it on the router, it'll be somewhere in the config
[01:37] <cblack> mebaran, msttcorefonts are in multiverse
[01:37] <jcoxon77> mpq, then sorry not sure what to do
[01:37] <mebaran> ok cool
[01:37] <mpq> not necessarily, they're on windows
[01:37] <bascule> find it on the router, it'll be somewhere in the config
[01:38] <stu__> !help
[01:38] <stu__> where can i get the current version (hoary?) of ubuntu
[01:38] <stu__> i can't seem to find it on the website
[01:38] <mebaran> stu__, cdimage.ubuntu.com
[01:38] <mebaran> easy enough to navigate
[01:40] <mpq> someone suggested that I could get the key if I'm wired into the router
[01:40] <Cube-ness> hmm.. i see to be in vesafb.. ???
[01:40] <bascule> yes USB or ethernet
[01:40] <mpq> but how do I get it?
[01:41] <bascule> all you need to do is jump on the doze machine and type 10.0.0.2 or 192.168.0.1 or what ever in a browser and login to it ..
[01:41] <mpq> log in?
[01:41] <bascule> mpq: who set this up, not you I take it
[01:41] <mpq> nope
[01:42] <bascule> who? Where are they, let *me* talk to them :P
[01:42] <mpq> they won't listen
[01:42] <mpq> they don't even listen to ME
[01:42] <stuNNed> lol
[01:42] <bascule> so bork everyones connection, not hard then fix it, and yours at the same time
[01:43] <mebaran> ok so ALSA .....
[01:43] <bascule> surely you got the skills to do that ?
[01:43] <mebaran> if I am to beat the dead horse once again
[01:43] <mpq> except that it's my fault when the connection borks
[01:43] <bascule> *shrug* do it in a way they won't notice
[01:43] <mpq> I don't think that way exists
[01:43] <bascule> course it does
[01:44] <mpq> how would I find the key from a wired connection?
[01:44] <bascule> log in to the router...
[01:45] <mpq> I don't have the router password
[01:46] <bascule> OK, on the sly, get a hold of the router physically and locate the factory defaults reset switch, easy
[01:47] <bascule> if no one in that house knows the router password or the WEP keys, that is what *NEEDS* to happen for sanity reasons ....
[01:47] <bascule> man alive I never heard the like
[01:47] <lexhider> what the procedure for reporting a bug against a package in universe?
[01:47] <crimsun> lexhider: what bug?
[01:48] <mpq> I can't reset the router
[01:48] <mpq> my mom is using her laptop right now
[01:48] <mpq> and if anything happens to her connection it's automatically my fault
[01:48] <mpq> if it actually IS my fault that's a lot worse
[01:49] <lexhider> crimsun: f-spot doesn't work at all.
[01:49] <ziggity> why the fuck dont ubuntu want to install missing dependencies
[01:49] <bascule> wait till the house is quiet, make sure you have the ISP log indetails and fix it :)
[01:50] <crimsun> ziggity: language, please. Have you checked apt-cache(1) policy?
[01:50] <bascule> ziggity: cause they are missing ...
[01:51] <Aron_Figaro> hey all.
[01:51] <crimsun> lexhider: where does it fail, during mono startup, or ...?
[01:51] <pcybill> hey aron
[01:52] <Aron_Figaro> I've hit another problem, I'm trying to set up Flash. I'm on X86_64, on Warty - I've got the installer but it's not supported by my architecture. Is there anything I can do?
[01:52] <mebaran> you can use the gnu flash player
[01:52] <mebaran> Aron_Figaro, it works pretty well
[01:52] <ziggity> crimsun, what do mean apt-cache(1)? whats that?
[01:52] <mjr> no it doesn't, but it's the only game in town for amd64
[01:52] <crimsun> ziggity: man apt-cache
[01:52] <lexhider> crimsun: a window does come up but it doesn't show anything and the app is frozen. I just had a dude confirm the behaviour on ubuntu-user list.
[01:52] <ziggity> sorrrry bout the language
[01:53] <Aron_Figaro> mebaran: so there's nothing I can do to get browser integration, eh?
[01:53] <crimsun> lexhider: gtk# hitch?
[01:53] <crimsun> lexhider: start it from a Terminal
[01:53] <mebaran> the gnuflash player
[01:53] <ziggity> how do I update the Path??
[01:53] <mebaran> does pretty well
[01:53] <Aron_Figaro> mebaran: ah, so it will integrate. I'll go check the Wiki. My bad.
[01:54] <Aron_Figaro> Oh by the way...anyone here try Vega Strike in Ubuntu yet?
[01:54] <mjr> Aron_Figaro, swf-player does integrate, for what it's worth, which isn't much
[01:54] <mebaran> Aron_Figaro, the only problem
[01:54] <mebaran> is the gnuflash player
[01:54] <mebaran> is kind of flaky
[01:54] <Aron_Figaro> flaky? Howso?
[01:54] <mebaran> it does ok with uninteractive flash
[01:54] <mebaran> but if you need to click play
[01:54] <mebaran> it gets confused
[01:54] <Aron_Figaro> and dies?
[01:54] <mebaran> no
[01:54] <mebaran> just doesnt paly
[01:55] <mebaran> black screen
[01:55] <mebaran> like newgrounds
[01:55] <Aron_Figaro> so effectively it dies. :P
[01:55] <mebaran> nothing to kill
[01:55] <mebaran> I need to fix my ALSA
[01:55] <Yendor> Good $LOCALTIME, all.  I've installed Ubuntu (warty, then dist-upgraded to hoary) on my new HP zd8080us this morning, and in trying to configure XOrg to handle 1440x900something, my X has died.  I can't find the logfile where errors are getting spewed.  Any thunks?
[01:55] <mebaran> I will paypal the guy 54 cents
[01:55] <mebaran> who fixes it
[01:55] <bascule> mpq: maybe just leave the thing alone, if you are allreadu in trouble and you don't seem to know what you are doing, it'll just get worse
[01:55] <Aron_Figaro> what's the problem? Also...speaking of dist-upgrades, should I do so and how much restructuring would it intail?
[01:55] <mpq> I'm not in trouble... right now
[01:55] <Aron_Figaro> *entail
[01:56] <lexhider> crimsun: I don't know anything about mono but starting it from command line gives an Unhandled exception
[01:56] <mpq> my mom just refuses to help me because it's "my fault" because I "screwed with my computer"
[01:56] <bascule> mpq: can you get to a windows machine for 'a look'
[01:56] <MobyTurbo> Yendor, /var/log/xorg.log or the like (XFree86.log here)
[01:56] <mpq> I can't look
[01:56] <mpq> I don't have the password
[01:56] <bascule> why man?
[01:56] <pagefault> Yendor, try /var/log/Xorg.log
[01:56] <evarlast> is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MonoDevelopmentHowto still correct?
[01:56] <bascule> <frustrated by this
[01:56] <mpq> I can't log in to the router
[01:56] <Yendor> Aron_Figaro, I'd like to tell you what the problem is, but as I stated, I don't know where the error log is.  /var/log/xorg.log doesn't get updated every time I restart GDM.
[01:56] <MobyTurbo> pagefault, GMTA
[01:56] <bascule> no the windows machine, the keys are written in there somewhere
[01:56] <mpq> and windows encrypts the WEP on wireless machines
[01:57] <pagefault> MobyTurbo, eh? GMTA? heh
[01:57] <bascule> it does?
[01:57] <MobyTurbo> pagefault, Great Minds Think Alike
[01:57] <pagefault> MobyTurbo, ahh :)
[01:57] <Yendor> What I can tell you is that GDM reports that it starts OK, and I hear the drum sound after a few seconds, but the screen is totally black.
[01:58] <darkseid> I can't install xmms from apt-get, why!?
[01:58] <pagefault> Yendor, sounds like your monitor is out of sync range
[01:58] <Yendor> There are no (EE) lines in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:58] <pagefault> Yendor, and it's just not displaying it
[01:58] <crimsun> darkseid: because you don't have main in your sources.list.
[01:58] <bascule> mpq: you are in a very unjust situation there, install linux and get abandoned for it :'(
[01:58] <ziggity> how do I add something to PATH
[01:58] <mpq> my parents are idiots
[01:58] <mpq> they don't know anything about computers
[01:58] <crimsun> ziggity: export PATH=$PATH:foo
[01:59] <pagefault> Yendor, I would change your x.conf to start at 640x480 and see if that helps
[01:59] <Yendor> pagefault, Checking my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file...One sec.
[01:59] <mpq> they think as long as it sometimes works, it's perfect and never needs to be fixed
[01:59] <bascule> it is soooo unreasonable though, holding off on information for network access ...
[01:59] <mebaran> mpq, my father is the same way
[01:59] <mebaran> he yells it me after he breaks it
[01:59] <mpq> hence, they're still on AOL even when we have cable internet
[01:59] <ziggity> crimsun, Do you know how to install mono & monodevelop on ubuntu
[01:59] <darkseid> I have.... I didn't modify my sources.list
[01:59] <crimsun> ziggity: for warty or hoary?
[01:59] <Aron_Figaro> holy CRAPPITY when you said swf-player had issues I expected FUNCTIONAL issues...not this :P
[01:59] <ziggity> crimsun warty
[02:00] <mebaran> crimsun
[02:00] <crimsun> ziggity: you need to use tseng's repo
[02:00] <crimsun> search the wiki/forum for it
[02:00] <mebaran> I have an update on the ALSA problem
[02:00] <ziggity> crimsun, need to user what??
[02:00] <Yendor> pagefault, Still black screen, 640x480 @ 24bit is the only screen mode in the file. (where "the file" is /etc/X11/xorg.conf)
[02:00] <MobyTurbo> ziggity, mono is in universe, but monodevelop is not.
[02:00] <mebaran> if you could help decipher it
[02:00] <crimsun> ziggity: < crimsun> search the wiki/forum for it
[02:00] <Yendor> pagefault, Should I be editing XF86Config-4?
[02:00] <crimsun> MobyTurbo: he's on warty.
[02:00] <pagefault> Yendor, do you have warty or hoary installed?
[02:00] <MobyTurbo> crimsun, so am I. mono is in universe.
[02:00] <ziggity> MobyTurbo, do you know where to find monodevelop
[02:00] <Aron_Figaro> back in a bit. Mixed in Balamb 2 is out so I gotta hit my Winbox to play the bloody thing now :P
[02:01] <bascule> mpq: if they are as uninformed as you say, chances are the login password for the router is still at the factory default ..;)
[02:01] <MobyTurbo> ziggity, no. I'm a mono newbie
[02:01] <mebaran> notice how Crimsun has kept a wise silence
[02:01] <crimsun> MobyTurbo: a current enough version to run those apps? no.
[02:01] <mpq> no, because I think I'm the one who set it
[02:01] <ziggity> crimsun, is it better to be on hoary??
[02:01] <mpq> but I don't know what I set it to
[02:01] <MobyTurbo> crimsun, mono isn't all that new.
[02:01] <mebaran> ziggity, hoary is hoary
[02:01] <Yendor> pagefault, I installed warty from the Live CD, and then dist-upgraded to hoary after editing my sources.list (grabbed s.list from a friend who has hoary successfully installed)
[02:01] <mebaran> literally
[02:01] <mebaran> it is unstable
[02:01] <bascule> admon admin or something like that, find the model number and get the docs from the manf. site
[02:01] <mebaran> in that it wont crash
[02:01] <MobyTurbo> crimsun, I don't care what you think. I've got mono under warty.
[02:01] <mebaran> but things dont always do like they should
[02:01] <darkseid> crimsun: how can I do that?!
[02:01] <pagefault> Yendor, oh ok then you should edit x.org since XF86Config-4 is left over from warty
[02:01] <crimsun> MobyTurbo: I know you do.
[02:01] <pagefault> Yendor, err x.conf
[02:02] <Yendor> pagefault, thx, that's what I've been doing.
[02:02] <pcybill> mpq how long ago did you set it?
[02:02] <mpq> it was back when I didn't know anything about computers either
[02:02] <mpq> months ago
[02:02] <crimsun> mebaran: shoot.
[02:02] <bascule> mpq: wait till the house is empty reset the damn thing and be done with it
[02:02] <Yendor> pagefault, As stated, xorg.conf now only has 640x480 in it, and still black.  Lemme go run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[02:02] <mpq> when is the house ever empty?
[02:02] <pcybill> agree with bascule
[02:02] <mebaran> crimsun
[02:02] <mebaran> ok
[02:02] <mebaran> because my alsa was broken
[02:03] <mebaran> I decide to destroy it
[02:03] <mebaran> and purge it by hand
[02:03] <mebaran> everything
[02:03] <bascule> lol, ah well, given time I could get on that network I knowit, but ....
[02:03] <mebaran> bob2 told me I was an idiot
[02:03] <mebaran> but it was fun
[02:03] <mebaran> I deleted everythign
[02:03] <evarlast> crimsun, MobyTurbo, so basically http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MonoDevelopmentHowto is incorrect!
[02:03] <mebaran> I got sound, but only through OSS
[02:03] <marccd> what provides "modconf" ?
[02:03] <marccd> what package, I mean.
[02:03] <Yendor> pagefault, Just FYI, one other thing I've done is install the "fglrx" drivers to cope with my ATI Radeon card in here.  Also have the -686-xmp kernel to help out with my HT processor.
[02:03] <mebaran> even though I had loaded the alsa modules
[02:03] <mebaran> of course
[02:03] <MobyTurbo> mebaran, if you delete files by hand apt won't restore them, it will assume that you really don't want them.
[02:03] <Yendor> pagefault, Just providing any extra background info that might help
[02:03] <mebaran> yeah
[02:03] <mebaran> I learned that the hard way
[02:03] <MobyTurbo> evarlast, I don't have monodevelop. Just mono
[02:03] <mebaran> apt never would delete them though
[02:04] <mebaran> but OSS would run
[02:04] <mebaran> and I got sound
[02:04] <crimsun> evarlast: I haven't tried that Howto. If you give me about 15 minutes, I'll see.
[02:04] <mebaran> OSS quality crap sond
[02:04] <mebaran> which was up
[02:04] <pagefault> Yendor, i'm trying to think what it could be, without a log it's kinda hard to figure it out
[02:04] <mebaran> of course I later reinstalled
[02:04] <marccd> Anybody, what package provides modconf?
[02:04] <mebaran> after bob2 and some other sysadmin told me how stupid I was
[02:04] <mebaran> the weird thing was
[02:04] <mebaran> OSS was using the alsa modules
[02:04] <mebaran> I reinstalled
[02:04] <mebaran> back to square one
[02:04] <mebaran> I load xmms
[02:05] <mebaran> and I get the error the mixer timed out
[02:05] <crimsun> marccd: modconf.
[02:05] <MobyTurbo> evarlast, the howto is correct. Read it carefully, it says that mono is in universe.
[02:05] <mebaran> so I now have related it to the ALSA Mixer
[02:05] <crimsun> marccd: it's deprecated (unnecessary) by hotplug.
[02:05] <delltony> i thought libwxgtk2.4-python was the correct package to get python working but i guess not can someone help i keep getting wxPython missing when trying to use Bittornado
[02:05] <mebaran> crimsun, what file did you tell me to kill
[02:05] <Yendor> pagefault, Thanks.  I'm here because I can't find the stinkin' logfile either.  :P
[02:05] <evarlast> MobyTurbo: it also says "apt-get install monodevelop"  which is HIGHLY misleading, since that won't work.
[02:05] <mebaran> so crimsun
[02:05] <mebaran> what do you think I should try next
[02:05] <mebaran> I dont want to bang my head against awhile
[02:05] <pagefault> Yendor, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=343 is my xorg config I put on the forums, I use fglrx too
[02:06] <marccd> crimsun: right, but when I start ubuntu, i get some warnigs about pcieph and other modules that hotplug starts.. I dont have pci hot plug, why is buuntu trying to load the modules?
[02:06] <mebaran> I think I am hitting a weird library problem
[02:06] <pagefault> Yendor, maybe you can try that, but you will have to edit the resolutions
[02:06] <mebaran> marccd, dont worry
[02:06] <mebaran> those modules always try to load
[02:06] <crimsun> marccd: because it's in the default config. Just blacklist them.
[02:06] <mebaran> and if they fail
[02:06] <mebaran> you just cant pci hotplug
[02:06] <mebaran> no big deal
[02:06] <mebaran> unless they are really messing with stuff
[02:06] <MobyTurbo> evarlast, then edit the wiki yourself, it can be changed by anyone.
[02:06] <crimsun> mebaran: it's very difficult to follow precisely what you did
[02:07] <marccd> crimsun: how?
[02:07] <mebaran> ok
[02:07] <mebaran> I will do it by steps
[02:07] <mebaran> 1) I hand purged ALSA
[02:07] <marccd> crimsun: add them to /etc/hotplug/blacklist?
[02:08] <mebaran> 2)  I rebooted and watch OSS actually make noises
[02:08] <mebaran> 3)  I apt-getted alsa again
[02:08] <crimsun> marccd: to the end, yes.
[02:08] <mebaran> 4)  ALSA complains that there are no ALSA dev's created because I had purged the devscripts
[02:08] <marccd> crimsun: thanks :)
[02:08] <ziggity> how do I fix broken
[02:09] <mebaran> 5)  I reinstall Ubuntu for fun :)
[02:09] <Yendor> pagefault, I just checked the output of "lspci | grep ATI" and I see this: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 3150
[02:09] <mebaran> 6)  I return to square one
[02:09] <Yendor> pagefault, Should I care about that whole "unknown device" bit?
[02:09] <mebaran> 7)  I try XMMS
[02:09] <Cube-ness> hmm.. how can i keep the vesafb module form loading at boot? both vesafb and radeon are loading, but vesafb takes control.. if i rmmod vesafb and restart xserver, radeon is used
[02:09] <mebaran> 8)  XMMS complains that the mixer timed out
[02:09] <mebaran> so now I know that OSS works, Esd works, and the mixer is acting funny
[02:09] <pagefault> Yendor, hrm that could be a problem, perhaps X doesn't know which card you have
[02:10] <pagefault> Yendor, when I do a lspci I see 0000:03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R350 [Radeon 9800 Pro] 
[02:10] <crimsun> mebaran: is XMMS set to use esd or alsa for output?
[02:10] <mebaran> it happens on both
[02:10] <mebaran> when alsa is working
[02:10] <mebaran> when alsa does not work
[02:10] <MobyTurbo> evarlast, "mcs" is wrong too, it should be "mono-mcs"
[02:10] <Yendor> pagefault, This comes with an ATI Mobility Radeon X600
[02:10] <john_> question when someone is available...
[02:10] <mebaran> it complains it cant find the alsa device
[02:10] <mebaran> on both
[02:10] <evarlast> MobyTurbo: yup!.  What is worse, I can't get to tseng's repos.
[02:11] <MobyTurbo> evarlast, what is tseng's repo? Is it for Ubuntu or Debian?
[02:11] <pagefault> Yendor, ah you are out of luck then I think until the new drivers come out
[02:11] <pagefault> Yendor, they currently only suppor the X700 Mobility
[02:12] <evarlast> MobyTurbo: ubuntu - bottom of this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:12] <Yendor> pagefault, So if I switch back to using xserver-xfree86, then I should be good to go?
[02:12] <john_> ..new to ubuntu, linux.  Hello!
[02:12] <crimsun> evarlast: you may try http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/warty-backports/universe/binary-i386/
[02:12] <pagefault> Yendor, yeah but then you should be, really nothing you can do until your card is supported in xorg
[02:12] <crimsun> evarlast: normal versioning madness warning applies
[02:13] <Yendor> pagefault, Well, X under xfree86 is better than no X at all.  :)
[02:13] <evarlast> crimsun: almost seems easier to move to hoary.
[02:13] <crimsun> evarlast: (it is easier to move to hoary)
[02:13] <john_> just installed ubuntu, would like to install blender
[02:13] <crimsun> john_: add universe.
[02:14] <pagefault> Yendor, yeah, thats true :) the new ATI drivers that come out should support it for sure though
[02:14] <delltony> don't you just just add export PATH:PATH="~/bin"; to your .bash_profile if you want to add that dir to the paths?
[02:14] <john_> add universe?
[02:14] <Yendor> pagefault, Do you happen to have an ETA on those?  :)
[02:14] <crimsun> john_: yes, add universe.
[02:14] <pagefault> Yendor, no idea, maybe this month, maybe next month, no telling since this is ATI we are talking about ;)
[02:14] <crimsun> john_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[02:15] <Yendor> pagefault, Great, thanks for your assistance.  Reconfiguring other laptop as we speak...
[02:15] <crimsun> mebaran: reading backscroll.
[02:15] <Yendor> pagefault, I don't keep up with the development of all this stuff.  I config it once, and hope it gets out of my way.  :)
[02:15] <crimsun> mebaran: did you (re)install warty or hoary?
[02:16] <pagefault> Yendor, hehe yeah, luckily my laptop came with a radeon 9000 mobility that seems to work with everything out of the box
[02:17] <marccd> hmm does Ubuntu have an assistant to configure sendmail?, since dpkg-reconfigure sendmail doesnt do anything.
[02:17] <Yendor> pagefault, If I install xfree86-driver-fglrx, will that support my card?
[02:17] <crimsun> marccd: postfix
[02:18] <Yendor> pagefault, Or, better yet, where might I check this stuff myself?
[02:18] <marccd> crimsun: what is postfix?
[02:18] <pagefault> Yendor, I doubt it, I think you will only get 2d support from the supplied radeon driver
[02:18] <crimsun> marccd: a MTA.
[02:18] <crimsun> marccd: Ubuntu uses postfix in Warty, not sendmail.
[02:18] <|QuaD-> anyword on getting sunbird in hoary?
[02:18] <Yendor> pagefault, I don't care about 3d stuff.  I'm just a programmer; this isn't a gaming box.  :)
[02:18] <pagefault> Yendor, it's more of an ATI issue than an X issue http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html?type=linux&prodType=graphic&prod=productsLINUXdriver&submit.x=17&submit.y=13&submit=GO%21
[02:19] <marccd> crimsun: I am in hoary
[02:19] <pagefault> Yendor, you can read the release notes there
[02:19] <crimsun> marccd: currently applies to Hoary, too.
[02:19] <marccd> crimsun: so, I should install postfix?, I dont really care, I just want to send mail
[02:19] <Anubis> crimsun, any idea why there is no /dev/cdrom + /dev/dvd symlinks after I put them there upon reboot?
[02:19] <crimsun> marccd: it's already installed.
[02:20] <marccd> crimsun: I uninstalled it when I installed sendmail, Ill reinstall it, thanks
[02:21] <crimsun> Anubis: because udev recreates the necessary and proper devices in /dev when it {is} {re}start{ed}
[02:21] <Yendor> pagefault, Hmm, it looks like they have rpms available on the ATI site for the X600
[02:21] <Yendor> pagefault, http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html?type=linux&prodType=graphic&prod=productsLINUXdriver&submit.x=9&submit.y=6&submit=GO%21
[02:21] <pagefault> Yendor, from what I read that was only for the desktop X600
[02:22] <john_> clicked on the 'add universe'
[02:22] <crimsun> Anubis: why are you trying to recreate those links/
[02:22] <pagefault> Yendor, he ATI Proprietary Linux driver is designed to support the following ATI MOBILITY? products: MOBILITY? RADEON? X700	MOBILITY? RADEON? 9800 MOBILITY? RADEON? 9600 MOBILITY? RADEON? 9200 MOBILITY? RADEON? 9000
[02:23] <crimsun> john_: so you've added the universe repo and reloaded/updated?
[02:23] <john_> must reload/update
[02:23] <john_> reloaded/ updated
[02:24] <crimsun> john_: now just search for, select, and install blender
[02:24] <pagefault> Yendor, plus the ones in apt are the sames ones as those
[02:25] <Anubis> crimsun, lol, seriously? Because they are suppossed to be there? Programs are looking for those links and ca't find them. Why are they not there is a better question as oppossed to why I want them there , no?
[02:26] <john_> crimsun, have selected and installed blender.
[02:26] <john_> thank you
[02:27] <john_> is there more?
[02:27] <crimsun> Anubis: have you done anything to alter pmount/udev's configs?
[02:29] <ziggity> how do I unbreak a broken package
[02:30] <Yendor> pagefault, When I run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", shouldn't it write my "XF86Config-4" file when it's finished?
[02:30] <pagefault> Yendor, yeah
[02:30] <Yendor> pagefault, That's what I thought.  It's not doing that.  I'm at a loss.  :P
[02:30] <pagefault> Yendor, doh, hrm, did you try xorg with the default shipping radeon driver?
[02:31] <crimsun> Anubis: specifically, see /etc/udev/cd-aliases.rules
[02:31] <marccd> how can I send a test mail with the "mail" command?
[02:31] <crimsun> marccd: send one to your user
[02:31] <AndyR> anyone know of a fix for nvidia riva to use the nvidia x-server?
[02:31] <marccd> crimsun: echo "hi" | mail -s "Hi" user ?
[02:31] <crimsun> ziggity: how did you break it?
[02:31] <pagefault> Yendor, if you set your driver from fglrx to "ati" you should get basic 2d in xfree86 or xorg
[02:32] <sig_ubuntu> Poop Poop, v. t. (Naut.)
[02:32] <sig_ubuntu>    (a) To break over the poop or stern, as a wave. ``A sea which
[02:32] <sig_ubuntu>        he thought was going to poop her.'' --Lord Dufferin.
[02:32] <sig_ubuntu>    (b) To strike in the stern, as by collision.
[02:32] <crimsun> marccd: that's the idea
[02:32] <sig_ubuntu> woops
[02:32] <sig_ubuntu> wrong channel LMAO
[02:32] <AndyR> lol
[02:32] <crimsun> well, that would explain why mebaran wasn't answering.
[02:32] <crimsun> john_: more what?
 Anubis: have you done anything to alter pmount/udev's configs?
[02:33] <marccd> crimsun: weird, I am not getting anything
[02:33] <john_> nothing, crimsun.  blender is up and running.  Thank you very much for your help
[02:33] <Anubis> nope
[02:33] <_|Imanewbie|_> Im using windows for 12 ours straight I think I gonna die!
[02:34] <crimsun> Anubis: md5sum /etc/udev/cd-aliases.rules
[02:34] <marccd> crimsun: it says delivered to mail box, then removed (I supposed from the queue), in mail.log, but I type "mail", and it says No new mail for $user
[02:35] <crimsun> marccd: I presume you used $USER ?
[02:35] <Anubis> # md5sum /etc/udev/cd-aliases.rules
[02:35] <Anubis> eb45ae728b11fc4a5ba9ee4325292525  /etc/udev/cd-aliases.rules
[02:35] <marccd> crimsun: ?
[02:35] <crimsun> marccd: in your mail command
[02:35] <marccd> crimsun: echo "body" | mail -s "Subject" root
[02:35] <Anubis> crimsun, dunno what I'm looking for
[02:36] <marccd> crimsun: root (relays to marccd in my machine).
[02:36] <crimsun> Anubis: ok. rm the two symlinks you created, then restart udev
[02:36] <Anubis> crimsun, brb, you appear busy
[02:36] <Yendor> pagefault, FYI: "ati" driver didn't work.  Switched to "vesa" and it did.  Again -- this is what I had originally.
[02:36] <Anubis> crimsun, what changed?
[02:36] <crimsun> Anubis: please test my suggestion; I'll have a better idea of how to assist then.
[02:36] <Yendor> pagefault, Unfortunately, it only does 1024x768 on my 17" laptop screen that supports up to 1400x900 or something like that.
[02:37] <Anubis> crimsun, removing the symlinks I created, and restart the udev script......proceeding
[02:37] <marccd> crimsun: Ah I see my mails in /var/mail/marccd. It is weird that 'mail' reports no new mail
[02:37] <crimsun> marccd: so postfix was configured to relay root e-mail to your $USER?
[02:38] <crimsun> marccd: (e.g., debconf asked you)
[02:38] <marccd> crimsun: Yes, I did as it said.
[02:38] <pagefault> Yendor, hrm that sucks, I guess you need to wait on driver support
[02:38] <paolo> Hi guys! anyone knows how do I have a Epson c63 working with ubuntu 4.10? thank you!
[02:38] <marccd> crimsun: It works, its just werid that mail doenst report anything
[02:38] <Anubis> crimsun, I did so, symlinks still not there
[02:38] <crimsun> marccd: try another MUA ;)
[02:39] <crimsun> Anubis: what physical device is your cdrom?
[02:39] <marccd> crimsun: Mail User Agent, like mutt?
[02:39] <crimsun> marccd: correct.
[02:39] <marccd> crimsun: mail -f /var/mail/marccd works, so it works
[02:39] <crimsun> marccd: good.
[02:39] <Anubis> crimsun, /dev/hdd
[02:40] <Yendor> pagefault, OK, thanks mucho for the help.  I can do that.
[02:40] <marccd> crimsun: Now, Ill see what mutt can do
[02:40] <crimsun> Anubis: and ,,lsmod|grep ^ide_cd''?
[02:40] <Anubis> crimsun, its there
[02:41] <pagefault> Yendor, np
[02:42] <crimsun> Anubis: post your /etc/fstab in #flood or on http://pastebin.ca
[02:42] <Drizzt321> anyone in here running amd64?
[02:43] <Anubis> crimsun, I'm not ungratful or nothing, but my fstab is fine, I will flood it though. My cdroms mount fine. I have cdrom icons on my desktop and everything.
[02:44] <Anubis> crimsun, its there in #flood
[02:44] <crimsun> Anubis: you should be using /media/cdrom*
[02:44] <paolo> Guys, any idea where to have a ubuntu supported printer listing?
[02:45] <Anubis> crimsun, I am
[02:45] <mpq> what is qt?
[02:45] <chris_ny> lol
[02:45] <chris_ny> qt is trolltechs graphic libs
[02:45] <Anubis> crimsun, These programs are'nt looking there, they look /dev/cdrom like very other distro no?
[02:45] <MobyTurbo> paolo, computer / system configuration / printing
[02:46] <crimsun> Anubis: which programs?
[02:46] <Anubis> crimsun, Totem, Ogle, Xine, etc
[02:47] <crimsun> Anubis: ls /etc/udev/rules.d/
[02:48] <Anubis> # ls /etc/udev/rules.d/
[02:48] <Anubis> udev.rules
[02:48] <crimsun> ding.
[02:48] <Anubis> ding?
[02:48] <crimsun> that's the problem.
[02:49] <pcybill> did you ever play EQ crimsun lol
[02:49] <crimsun> pcybill: I was a phase IV tester a very long time ago.
[02:49] <pcybill> lol
[02:49] <crimsun> Anubis: you're missing a cd-aliases.rules symlink
[02:49] <crimsun> Anubis: hence, no /dev/cdrom
[02:49] <Anubis> damn
[02:50] <Anubis> dunno how that happened?
[02:50] <crimsun> cd-aliases.rules -> ../cd-aliases.rules
[02:50] <Anubis> crimsun, you want I should type that?
[02:50] <dwmurphy> someone here plays eq2?
[02:51] <crimsun> Anubis: no, I pasted partial output of ls -l
[02:52] <rapha> Hi all!
[02:52] <pcybill> hey rapha
[02:52] <MattG> hi there, can someone help me with inst probs im havin?
[02:53] <rapha> Is it possible to have directory names with spaces in them in /etc/fstab? I tried escaping them with \, but that doesn't work...
[02:53] <marccd> how could I know if my isp is blocking port 25?
[02:54] <marccd> all my requests to mail servers, yahoo, gmail, end up in connection timed out
[02:54] <Pinguvin> How come I not have "have the right permissions to extract archives in the folder /usr/share/icons"
[02:54] <crimsun> rapha: absolutely. use \040
[02:54] <crimsun> rapha: more information in fstab(5)
[02:55] <rapha> Thanks a lot, crimsun!
[02:55] <Anubis> crimsun, now what?
[02:55] <crimsun> marccd: more than likely, yes.
[02:55] <crimsun> Anubis: restart udev.
[02:55] <Anubis> crimsun, we did nothing though
[02:56] <Anubis> crimsun, the file is still missing
[02:56] <crimsun> Anubis: you didn't create the symlink as I stated?
[02:56] <marccd> crimsun: but how would I know.. is there a way around it?
[02:56] <MattG> can someone tell me if I can use loadlin to launch ubuntu setup from hd? or wont that work?
[02:56] <thesilverhand> crimsun: a while ago I was asking about java plugin in hoary...turns out symlink was broken...works now thanks :)
[02:56] <crimsun> Anubis: cd /etc/udev/rules.d && sudo ln -s ../cd-aliases.rules . && cd / && sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart
[02:57] <Anubis> crimsun, did I miss something? I see nothing in the scroll above about that?
[02:57] <crimsun> Anubis: I told you about the symlink; I apologise if the implication to create one was not clear.
[02:57] <rapha> Hmm#
[02:58] <rapha> I got two Hoary boxes, both up to date, but one does have the mouse cursor theme selection thingy, the other doesn't. What package is it in?
[02:58] <Anubis> crimsun, dude thanks! it worked. There are lots of people in the forum who need this info..
[02:59] <crimsun> np
[02:59] <MattG> can anyone help me? lol :-(
[02:59] <crimsun> MattG: you could try loadlin; I haven't done so myself
[03:00] <MattG> right ok, is there any other way for me to install..as my pcmcia cd drive isn't being recognized by the setup
[03:00] <MattG> and i dont really wanna do a network install
[03:00] <paolo> MobyTurbo: does it give the printers listing?
[03:00] <MattG> if poss
[03:01] <clouser> any thoughts on why acpi wouldn't work on an asus m3000n ?
[03:02] <clouser> its listed as fully compatible on the wiki
[03:02] <clouser> (and for what its worth, the sound isnt working either, but one thing at a time ;)
[03:03] <dafox7> can anybody help me out, I'd like to strip down my fresh install of ubuntu so i will lighter on my Laptop 566
[03:04] <NuuB> apt-get is telling me packages suggested by eariler installs are not available, including "phpdoc" which i would think should be there. could this be some kind of error when it is saying something is not there?
[03:04] <slackd00d> does unbuntu come with synaptic? or do i have to apt-get it
[03:04] <sanjeev> it comes with synaptic
[03:04] <crimsun> NuuB: it's in universe
[03:05] <dafox7> does X11 Fowarding is enable by default in Ubuntu ?
[03:05] <NuuB> crimsun: ah!
[03:05] <crimsun> dafox7: yes.
[03:05] <rapha> crimsun: Do you have any idea what package the "Change mouse cursor theme" item from the Preferences menu is in?
[03:06] <NuuB> crimsun: i need to uncomment "universe" (which file is that in?)
[03:06] <dafox7> crimsun, which window manager should I install for my laptop (466mhz 128mb ram) ?
[03:06] <crimsun> NuuB: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[03:06] <crimsun> dafox7: try xfwm4 or fluxbox
[03:07] <dafox7> crimsun, how can i switch from gnome to xfwm4 in ubuntu?
[03:07] <dafox7> crimsun, I knew how to do it in gentoo but not in ubuntu
[03:07] <lek> gdm session will recognize it dafox7
[03:07] <NuuB> crimsun: not the url, the file that apt-get refers to for the url to do things on it's own
[03:08] <crimsun> NuuB: /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:08] <dafox7> lek, good
[03:08] <dafox7> :-)
[03:08] <NuuB> crimsun: yeah that one - thanks
[03:09] <rapha> dafox7: I did it using the distribution that OSWorks (http://www.os-works.com) makes. Go to their page; they got apt sources.
[03:11] <slackd00d> sanjeev: sorry i was away, thank you for your answer  =)
[03:11] <rapha> Oh, and is there any effort going on in Ubuntu to include software suspending into GNOME? Like, execute it when I've selected "Save current session"?
[03:11] <sanjeev> slackd00d: you are welcome
[03:14] <stuNNed> crimsun: i *really* like the new update manager btw, much more intuitive and simpler than synaptic :)
[03:14] <dafox7> cheers rapha
[03:15] <lithi> anyone know of a good CUPS irc channel?
[03:16] <crypto-working> who does one contact to become a us mirror?
[03:17] <stuNNed> crypto-working: ubuntu-devel chann? dunno
[03:17] <stuNNed> i don't know, others might :)
[03:17] <stuNNed> lithi: i agree, there should be a #linux-printing chann
[03:17] <maswan> crypto-working: start mirroring, send a mail or let someone know?
[03:18] <rapha> np dafox7
[03:19] <cryptoknight> thanks stuNNed
[03:20] <dafox7> rapha, do you uninstall gnome ?
[03:21] <rapha> dafox7: Well, I'm only using XFCE on my old 233MHz laptop, so yes I uninstalled GNOME there.
[03:21] <lithi> stuNNed: Is there one? Or are you saying that there should be one
[03:21] <stuNNed> lithi: saying there *should* be imho
[03:24] <ubernoob> Hi! I have downloaded the latest Horay from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-4/ but the installation fails when it is trying to install some packages... so gnome isn't installed
[03:24] <ubernoob> anyone with the same problem?
[03:24] <spinifex> I installed the same thing and didn't have a problem
[03:25] <spinifex> can you fix it with dpkg or apt?
[03:25] <dafox7> rapha how did you make ubuntu start xfce instead of gnome?
[03:26] <rapha> dafox7: Well, I selected XFCE in GDM :-D
[03:27] <ubernoob> spinifex: i don't know what wasnt installed... i think it was more than gnome
[03:27] <Pinguvin> How can I extract archives to /usr/share/? It says I dont have permission to do so..
[03:27] <cryptoknight> su to root
[03:27] <crimsun> Pinguvin: you need to have root privileges, so use sudo.
[03:28] <spinifex> =\ well apt should be able to patch things up eventually, right?  Unless you have hardware issues
[03:28] <Pinguvin> crimsun: hi! tnx for helping me yesterday.. sudo then what? :\
[03:29] <crimsun> Pinguvin: sudo <command>
[03:29] <Pinguvin> crimsun: i tried sudo filename.. didnt work
[03:30] <crimsun> Pinguvin: you're attempting to execute the file
[03:30] <spinifex> pinguvin, sudo isn't a command that does something.  It just gives root priviledges to the command you write after it
[03:30] <spinifex> even with root priviledges, you can't execute a non-executable file.
[03:31] <spinifex> if you want to extract something, you need to know what type of compression it has.  What's the file extension?
[03:31] <Pinguvin> spinifex: its a tar.gz
[03:31] <linux-noob> hI! i'm having problems with evolution.. it keeps crashing as soon as it starts up. i'm trying to find out the errors.. i heard of something called backtrace or something but i'm not sure how it works. can anyone help?
[03:32] <linux-noob> i've already seen the warnings that evolution spits out when you run it from terminal.. but they're not the actual cause
[03:32] <dafox7> rapha, it doesn't see xfce4 :-(
[03:32] <linux-noob> i'm not sure what caused it.. one day it was working fine and the next, it wasn't.. i'm using ubuntu's warthy version
[03:32] <rapha> dafox7: try just xfce
[03:33] <rapha> dafox7: And did you say `apt-get update` after adding the sources to /etc/apt/sources.list?
[03:33] <bascule> `uname -r`
[03:34] <spinifex> pinguvin:  ok, say tar xvzf andthefilename
[03:34] <spinifex> x for extract, v for verbose, z for gzip, f for a filename
[03:35] <dafox7> rapha, offcourse
[03:35] <dafox7> it did install
[03:35] <ells> you know what is sad, I have been here to this x chat quite often and someone from here has tried to hack my ip from here
[03:36] <ells> I will find out who it is and I will report them
[03:36] <bascule> probably freenode
[03:36] <bascule> checking you aren't a bot and so on
[03:36] <ells> what ya mean
[03:36] <bascule> read http://freenode.net FAQ it tells you
[03:37] <Pinguvin> spinifex: will it then give me a choice where to extract it to?
[03:37] <spinifex> um, I usually just extract it there.  It'll extract in your pwd.  You can mv it.  *rtfm's*
[03:37] <tjs> gday, we're considering rolling out about 15 ubuntu servers into a hosted environment. We've choosen ubuntu because we love debian but need sane stable release shedules. Im interested in some pointers on managing large groups of ubuntu servers, ie: software for performing a single action of all machines at once, like installing a package or upgrading
[03:38] <bascule> Pinguvin: tarzxvf foo.tar.gz -C /some/dir
[03:38] <bascule> adding the apce and substituting file names and directories of course :)
[03:38] <spinifex> ah, that's the option
[03:38] <spinifex> -C
[03:38] <bascule> yeah, ahndy at times
[03:39] <Pinguvin> bascule: apce? :|
[03:39] <bascule> space
[03:39] <bascule> heh
[03:39] <Pinguvin> bascule: ah..hehe thanks :)
[03:39] <bascule> <-- useless at typing amongst other thngs
[03:39] <LinuxJones> tjs, you might want to have a look at the System Installation Suite
[03:39] <Pinguvin> :)
[03:39] <tjs> LinuxJones: cheers
[03:40] <LinuxJones> tjs, >> http://sisuite.org/
[03:40] <bascule> any gentoo folks tried 6.8.2 in here?
[03:40] <tjs> found it :)
[03:40] <audiored> i have a question about a disappearing icon in my Applications menu.. when i go to the term and type nautilus Applications:///Games it pops up the games window and the icon is there.. but if go under the applications/games menu.. the icon isn't there.  ???
[03:40] <ells> I have been pinged 12 times in 4 minutes
[03:41] <bascule> ells: what ip
[03:41] <bascule> that is the server, *chuckle*
[03:42] <ells> 140.211.166.4
[03:42] <ells> I will be hooking this freak up
[03:42] <regeya> one question:  I'm running Window Maker at the moment, and while it shows up in the list of GDM sessions, GDM keeps defaulting to GNOME.  When I check, it's defaulting to 'Last', which should be the last-run session, but it's running a GNOME session instead.
[03:42] <ells> I have found it is from oregon state u
[03:43] <ells> It is on
[03:43] <scoon> ew
[03:43] <scoon> someone just read the new version of hacking exposed
[03:43] <bascule> oregon state education
[03:43] <ells> yeap
[03:43] <robertj> tjs: sorry, just saw your request
[03:43] <regeya> also, despite the fact that I used to run WM all the time, I have to say that I'd forotten how insanely great it was.
[03:44] <ells> i have even got the phone number of their tech section.
[03:44] <lek> I hate WM :(
[03:44] <robertj> I wanted to let you know that I manage a handfew of Ubutu servers, and have had good results
[03:44] <ells> I will be reporting this jerkoff
[03:44] <regeya> but I'd really, really like it if GDM would just start up WM instead of having to select it every freakin time.
[03:44] <scoon> ells, so now call and prank them
[03:44] <robertj> the only "gotcha" is that Universe is more or less required and also more or less supported
[03:44] <bascule> lol niven.freenode.net
[03:44] <ells> it is the tech section
[03:44] <bascule> I *knew* it
[03:44] <scoon> ells, it happens all the time.
[03:44] <regeya> lek: ludicrously great advice, thanks.
[03:44] <robertj> err unsupported rather
[03:44] <ells> yeap, but it shouldnt
[03:45] <ells> I will have this jerkoffs priveleges revoked
[03:45] <scoon> ells, deal w/ it.
[03:45] <Unai> anyone here has tried to configue WordPress in ubuntu??????
[03:45] <ells> right, understand
[03:45] <scoon> ells, don't be the webs police.
[03:45] <ubuntud00d> is there a howto on getting the kde files? they dont seem to be in the respo's that the installer setup
[03:45] <esher> in what package are all the /bin/ installed they come with standard install ?
[03:45] <linux-noob> this is so weird! if i run evolution as my regular user, it will hang on startup.. but if i run it as root, with the same copy of the .evolution folder, it works! but my contacts are missing :(
[03:45] <bascule> ells: read that FAQ uet on the site
[03:45] <ells> scoon: i dont like someone trying to snoop on my pc
[03:45] <scoon> ells, i use that situation to force me to have a better more stable box
[03:45] <regeya> lek: I've noticed something about the Ubuntu community so far.  There seem to be three classes of desktop users in Ubuntu-space:  1.) GNOME users 2.) XFCE users 3.) kooks
[03:45] <ells> true
[03:45] <scoon> ells, every run moneysoft ?
[03:45] <bascule> ells: read the damn FAQ ....
[03:45] <ells> I will be installing some protection
[03:46] <audiored> i have a question about a disappearing icon in my Applications menu.. when i go to the term and type nautilus Applications:///Games it pops up the games window and the icon is there.. but if go under the applications/games menu.. the icon isn't there.  ???
[03:46] <ells> bascule: sorry, what FAQ
[03:46] <bascule> freenode.net
[03:46] <ells> cool, will do
[03:46] <bascule> it is niven.freenode that the scans are coming from
[03:46] <Cindux> wee im back :P
[03:46] <Cindux> lol
[03:46] <LinuxJones> regeya, gdm-setup
[03:46] <bascule> oregon.edu have kindly donated a server I guess
[03:47] <Cindux> I have 2 simple questons
[03:47] <bascule> ells: las 2 for you
[03:47] <robertj> tjs: running a custom repo should be rather easy though
[03:47] <robertj> Unai: my advice is don't
[03:47] <Cindux> Can we change the host name for our machine ?
[03:47] <Cindux> in setup i named my box deviant
[03:47] <Cindux> i want to change it ?
[03:47] <stuNNed> ells: they do a proxyscan or something, it's quite normal, check the freenode homepage
[03:47] <robertj> Unai: in general unless you only have 1 web-based application you will be running then you should take care of installing webapps yourself
[03:47] <regeya> LinuxJones: heh, oops
[03:48] <tjs> yeh
[03:48] <BockBilbo> robertj, why not?
[03:48] <robertj> Wordpress will start to get crusty in 6 months, and all you will get will be security updates
[03:48] <regeya> LinuxJones: gdmsetup, thanks, will do...
[03:48] <LinuxJones> regeya, yeah that's it :)
[03:49] <BockBilbo> robertj, i just want it to make my personal site
[03:49] <BockBilbo> ....
[03:49] <dafox7> is normal that i'm unable to install xfce4 because the package are broken once again?
[03:49] <BockBilbo> so... i write blogs and i add some links
[03:49] <BockBilbo> :S
[03:49] <BockBilbo> isnt it worth for that
[03:49] <robertj> Bock: I'd find out how to do a cvs checkout of wordpress
[03:49] <robertj> then for the up-to-date version on that line you can just do cvs update
[03:49] <regeya> LinuxJones: it was a good try, but I'm not seeing anything that'd help...hm.  I'll keep looking.  Thanks, though.
[03:49] <regeya> :-)
[03:50] <LinuxJones> regeya, you want to auto-login right ?
[03:50] <robertj> tjs: btw, if you have resources to expend you might consider contributing to EDS
[03:50] <tjs> EDS?
[03:50] <robertj> Erudite Directory Services
[03:50] <regeya> LinuxJones: Not quite...I'm wanting to be able to punch in my username/password and go right into a Window Maker session without specifying Window Maker at login time.
[03:51] <Cindux> bah im just gonna ask :D
[03:51] <LinuxJones> regeya, ohhh sorry
[03:51] <robertj> http://edsadmin.sourceforge.net/
[03:51] <regeya> LinuxJones, I've used GDM in just that way on other systems, but "Last" seems to be defaulting to GNOME instead of the last-run session.  *shrug*
[03:51] <Cindux> I was wondering if we can change the name of our machines? (i.e. cindux@deviant to cindux@linuxbox)
[03:51] <dafox7> anyone has any clues regarding XFCE 4 ?
[03:51] <ells> bascule: I tracked the one with the most hits, it came from the internet mafia.......Microsoft
[03:52] <ells> Bascule: 10 to be exact
[03:52] <robertj> It would be really nice to tie together EDS with Machinelists and SNMP stuff
[03:52] <bascule> ells: really, I wonder why *from* microsoft or *too* microsoft?
[03:52] <ells> they are the mafia
[03:52] <bascule> your running sygate firewall aren't you ;)
[03:52] <ells> I have firestarter
[03:53] <bascule> on linux, cool, so why the hell are MS scanning you, what ports are they?
[03:53] <ells> not to sure
[03:53] <ells> kind of funny though
[03:53] <bascule> doesn't say huh ...
[03:54] <ells> I will check, hold on
[03:54] <ells> I've got the port and everything
[03:54] <bascule> what numbers?
[03:54] <ells> it is nice having linux
[03:54] <bascule> <-- genuinely interested in this
[03:54] <ells> one is 32871
[03:54] <RatherD> Is there any way you can make firefox act the way it does in windows when you click on the address bar? I just click once in windows and it highlights the whole URL but i have to click 2-3 times in Linux to select the whole URL
[03:54] <Cindux> = /
[03:55] <Cindux> I don't.
[03:55] <Cindux> once for me :d
[03:55] <bascule> maybe for the DDoS worms that were out there
[03:55] <ells> 32861
[03:55] <randabis-laptop> heh
[03:55] <Cindux> and I haven't used windows in 2-3 weeks but you have to double click to get the full url as well ?
[03:55] <RatherD> no
[03:55] <RatherD> windows you click once
[03:55] <RatherD> linux you click 2-3 times
[03:55] <RatherD> it annoys me
[03:55] <ells> bascule: here they are all over people doing the same to them and they turn and do it to the public
[03:55] <Cindux> I just slide :D
[03:56] <bascule> middle click paste make  up for it though
[03:56] <randabis-laptop> maybe it's an extension
[03:56] <Cindux> i use control a
[03:56] <Cindux> you should to
[03:56] <chrismurf> any hoary dev's here by any chance?
[03:56] <Cindux> if your in a text box,form etc
[03:56] <bascule> ells: yeah, odd
[03:56] <Cindux> control a = select a
[03:56] <Cindux> all *
[03:56] <ells> the last hit, came from level 3 comms in Denver
[03:57] <bascule> some things are your ISP checking the state of things
[03:57] <foursti> do you guys know when USPLASH is going to be released into hoary?
[03:57] <bascule> I used to play with iptables rrules and watch them change packets and stuff :)
[03:57] <ells> right
[03:58] <chrismurf> exit
[03:58] <randabis-laptop> foursti, hopefully soon...they are working like beavers to make it
[03:58] <bascule> now I'm behind a NAT router, kinda boring really
[03:58] <randabis-laptop> there have been some complications with usplash iirc
[03:59] <ells> bascule: I am glad I have the firewall on
[03:59] <bascule> could make it fun again though :)
[03:59] <bascule> ells: they are a neccessity these days to be honest
[03:59] <ChrisC_> anybody here using an mp3 player with Ubuntu?
[03:59] <ells> truely
[04:00] <ChrisC_> I meant mp3 player hardware, i.e. iRiver, Archos, etc.
[04:00] <regeya> tan dun - night flight
[04:00] <randabis-laptop> my sister uses her ipod mini with ubuntu
[04:00] <stuNNed_> wb HrdwrBoB
[04:00] <ChrisC_> randabis:  does it show all the track/artist/album data?  Or just the filenames?
[04:01] <ells> randabis-laptop: did she convert her mp4s to mp3s or did her gtkpod take the mp4s
[04:01] <Amaranth> ells: mp4 == m4a
[04:01] <randabis-laptop> she doesn't have any mp4s iirc
[04:01] <pertz> Okay guys. I've found the source of my RAID1 problem, now I just have to determine the "ubuntu" way to fix it. It's with the cramfs file system that's being mounted at boot time. It's got a invalid ID for my raid array buried in one of the config files on it. How does it get built? /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-386 in my case. Anyone know anything about this?
[04:01] <bascule> regeya: I really like rhythmbox, just got into it three days ago, but it's nice
[04:01] <delltony> question if you want to add a command to start when you load gnome how is this done? i want to make lineakd load when gnome starts
[04:02] <ells> Amaranth: cool understand, but my gtkpod says I need libmp4v2
[04:02] <Amaranth> err
[04:02] <ells> you just cant go out and get that file
[04:02] <bascule> later
[04:03] <ells> Amaranth: either I need to solve that one or convert all my files
[04:03] <robertj> what gstreamer sink should a polypaudio user use?
[04:03] <Amaranth> ells: Funny, a google search gives me a windows DLL.
[04:03] <ells> Amaranth: I have 1500 mp4
[04:03] <ells> really, that is funny
[04:03] <Amaranth> ells: You don't understand, mp4 == m4a
[04:03] <ells> I am miswriting
[04:03] <ells> I do understand
[04:03] <randabis-laptop> robertj, esd
[04:03] <randabis-laptop> polypaudio is a dropin replacement for esd
[04:03] <Amaranth> ells: I wonder if gtkpod reads the mime type or the file extension
[04:04] <ells> dont know, good question
[04:04] <Amaranth> change an extension on a song and try it
[04:04] <ells> it keeps asking for me to compile the programs with libmp4v1
[04:04] <ells> libmp4v2
[04:04] <ells> will do
[04:05] <ells> Amaranth: my extensions are already m4a
[04:06] <Amaranth> ok, i have a feeling this is a "non-free" ubuntu thing
[04:06] <ells> Amaranth: it says failed: m4a/m4p/m4b not supported without the mp4v2 library. You must compile the gtkpod source together with the mp4v2 library.
[04:07] <Amaranth> but gtkpod is useless without AAC support...
[04:07] <ells> Amaranth: what do you recommend
[04:07] <Dreamer3> what's new in ubuntu land?
[04:08] <Amaranth> ells: Hmm, I don't really know.
[04:08] <Amaranth> i think you'll have to compile it yourself
[04:08] <ells> when I search for the file it is there, but says not for normal use
[04:08] <ells> I cannot be the first with this one
[04:09] <Dreamer3> pertz: does ubuntu use cramfs? gosh that's old :)
[04:09] <pertz> During the boot process apparently.
[04:09] <ells> I can always convert all 1500, not fun though
[04:09] <pertz> It's loading it out onto a RAM disk and then mounts root and switches.
[04:10] <Amaranth> ells: Quality loss.
[04:10] <pertz> I need to know how the images get created. I can figure out how to modify one, but I suspect there's an "Ubuntu" way to fix my problem.
[04:10] <ells> I agree amaranth
[04:10] <ells> what is a guy to do
[04:10] <foursti> are the FGLRX_DRIVERS in hoary screwed up? even though it installs perfectly, the module isnt installed (modprobe fglrx returns an error about nothing found) i had to compile it myself
[04:11] <Amaranth> ells: Does ubuntu have libmp4v2?
[04:11] <ells> nope, checked
[04:12] <foursti> I compiled and installed FGLRX by myself and it works great, but now when im in X and switch to a terminal (cntrl-#) and switch back it crashes...anyone know?
[04:12] <pertz> Dreamer3: Are you familiar with the Ubuntu boot process?
[04:13] <ells> has anyone noticed if part of the source network is down
[04:13] <ells> I cannot connect to this one Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.138)]  [Connecting to security.
[04:13] <CubicllyCentric> How do I install a .deb file on my local drive?
[04:13] <randabis-laptop> man dpkg
[04:13] <siimo> ells: theres mirrors
[04:13] <pertz> dpkg -i file.deb
[04:13] <Dreamer3> pertz: nope , i only see it once in a blue moon :)
[04:14] <Dreamer3> pertz: look for some ubuntu-initrd package or something (only guessing)
[04:14] <pertz> Okay. I guess I'll go dig some more. Was hoping someone had a ready answer to remove my temptation to take a shortcut...
[04:14] <ells> sorry, right, but I cannot connect to that one
[04:14] <randabis-laptop> I'm thinking about completely migrating the desktop to gentoo...right now it's dual booting with ubuntu
[04:14] <Dreamer3> pertz: just take it apart and change it :)
[04:15] <siimo> ells: try by replacing http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ to http://ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net/ubuntu/  in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:15] <Dreamer3> pertz: until some one tells you a better way
[04:15] <randabis-laptop> I'll keep ubuntu on here though
[04:15] <ells> will try that
[04:16] <pertz> Okay. I'll go sin in ignorance then :P
[04:17] <pertz> Actually I guess that would be transgress since it's in ignorance.
[04:20] <inc> sup room
[04:20] <BockBilbo> hey inc
[04:20] <randabis-laptop> not a lot
[04:20] <randabis-laptop> emerging world on the desktop so I'm chillin' here on the laptop
[04:20] <inc> yup got my laptop working
[04:21] <inc> too bad it's gotta be windows 2000
[04:22] <ells> siimo: I tried that source and it says it is malformed
[04:22] <lithi> when your talking about printing a document and having it hold the job until accepted is that a print que? or cue? or how do you spell it?
[04:22] <inc> queue
[04:23] <eyequeue> right :)
[04:23] <lithi> lol, oh that makes sence duhh
[04:23] <sigglet> ubuntuguide.org is down
[04:23] <sigglet> :(
[04:23] <inc> dookie
[04:24] <audiored> i have an icon that won't show up in my Applications/Games menu. even tho if i go to nautilus Applications://Games it is in fact there.  what's the problem?  anyone? =)
[04:24] <TMCAWA12G> Fuck you fucking fucker go fuck your fucking grandma you fucking fucker of fucking fucks.
[04:24] <TMCAWA12G> Fuck you fucking fucker go fuck your fucking grandma you fucking fucker of fucking fucks.
[04:24] <TMCAWA12G> Fuck you fucking fucker go fuck your fucking grandma you fucking fucker of fucking fucks.
[04:24] <|QuaD|> lol
[04:24] <randabis-laptop> you're an idiot
[04:24] <robertj> hrmm, interesting
[04:24] <TMCAWA12G> Fuck you fucking fucker go fuck your fucking grandma you fucking fucker of fucking fucks.
[04:24] <TMCAWA12G> Fuck you fucking fucker go fuck your fucking grandma you fucking fucker of fucking fucks.
[04:24] <TMCAWA12G> Fuck you fucking fucker go fuck your fucking grandma you fucking fucker of fucking fucks.
[04:24] <randabis-laptop> ubuntu r0x ur boxers
[04:24] <inc> nice
[04:24] <jdub> sorry folks
[04:24] <JDahl> I used to have lapack manpages in debian, but under ubuntu I can't find out what package provides them.. anyone happens to use those?
[04:24] <jdub> please don't respond to them
[04:25] <randabis-laptop> don't forget to ban
[04:25] <jdub> just let one of the devs know
[04:25] <jdub> randabis-laptop: not necessary unless they don't get the message
[04:25] <inc> that was a quick boot
[04:25] <inc> big brother in action
[04:25] <sigglet> http://www.linuxgoons.com/files/fatass.swf  <-- hardcore ubuntu user
[04:25] <sigglet> lol
[04:25] <cef> jdub: is clamav in main in hoary?
[04:26] <jdub> no
[04:26] <delltony> sorry to repeat i asked before but had to shut down. how do ou add a startup program to gnome? what i mean is when i start gnome i want it to automatically start lineakd again sorry for the repeat
[04:26] <cef> hrm.. annoying I guess
[04:26] <randabis-laptop> jdub, that guy has been going to all the linux rooms and doing that so that's why I suggested a ban
[04:27] <sigglet> randabis: who?
[04:27] <Pinguvin> delltony: http://ubuntuguide.org/#runprogramsstartupgnome
[04:27] <delltony> thank you
[04:27] <Pinguvin> np
[04:27] <delltony> i thought it might be there but obviously overlooked
[04:27] <lithi> does anyone know how to set a cups print server to queue (server side)? Queue the IPP jobs until released via web
[04:27] <delltony> i love that page
[04:27] <foursti> are there any plans to use a graphical installer later on? (i dont mine, just asking :))
[04:27] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[04:27] <jdub> foursti: yes, possibly hoary+1
[04:27] <delltony> hmm can't connect to page
[04:27] <Pinguvin> :)
[04:27] <HrdwrBoB> eventually
[04:28] <delltony> is it just me or is the guide page down?
[04:28] <Pinguvin> delltony: its just you :P
[04:28] <delltony> you sure
[04:28] <delltony> cuase i can go to other pages
[04:29] <audiored> delltony it wouldn't load for me either.. =)
[04:29] <inc> anybody use chatzilla?
[04:29] <delltony> gonan use cache and see
[04:29] <farruinn> inc I did once upon a time
[04:29] <Pinguvin> well it workes for me
[04:29] <delltony> gotta love google
[04:29] <BockBilbo> :s
[04:29] <inc> works ok
[04:29] <BockBilbo> im finally going to try out wordpress
[04:29] <BockBilbo> ...
[04:29] <inc> i like xchat
[04:29] <delltony> err that stinks
[04:30] <delltony> i cache the main page from google but can't navigate
[04:30] <delltony> pin any chance you could tell me what it says since i cant get in :(
[04:30] <audiored> is ubuntuguide.org down?
[04:30] <delltony> yep
[04:30] <sigglet> ubuntuguide.org is down
[04:30] <randabis-laptop> look for a mirror
[04:30] <audiored> ah
[04:30] <sigglet> i'll setup a mirror
[04:31] <audiored> so my question is this.. i have an icon that won't show up in my Applications/Games menu. even tho if i go to nautilus Applications://Games it is in fact there.  what's the problem?  anyone? =)
[04:31] <cef> hrm, seems weird that clamav isn't in main, when cyrus21 & postfix is... hrm
[04:31] <Pinguvin> delltony: # Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Sessions
[04:31] <Pinguvin> # Sessions
[04:31] <Pinguvin> Startup Programs Tab -> Add/Edit/Delete programs
[04:31] <JanC> they should split ubuntuguide.org in several pages
[04:31] <BockBilbo> i have downloaded it from apt.. and it seens to be installed on /etc/wordpress .... and in order to configure it.. i need to access to /etc/worpress/index.php using my browser.. but the problem is that the installation folder isnt on my apache sever ..
[04:32] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me how to access to that config php file?
[04:32] <delltony> ok thank you
[04:32] <lithi> JanC: No its good the way it is, but mabey both a FULL and a light version
[04:32] <robertj> Bock: either one of two things
[04:32] <Pinguvin> np
[04:32] <JanC> now every hit has to load the whole site
[04:32] <JanC> this is not nice for the server...
[04:32] <robertj> either you have to symlink it in or it has added a file to /etc/apache2/* somehwere that is included and will allow it to be accessible
[04:33] <BockBilbo> let me see robertj
[04:33] <delltony> ok one thing do i have to type the full path or just the app name like lineakd or do i need /usr/bin/lineakd?
[04:33] <lithi> JanC: Its just text for the most part tho
[04:33] <cef> hey, is there a way (from cli) to tell what packages installed are from universe?
[04:34] <Pinguvin> delltony: the name should do i think
[04:34] <delltony> ok
[04:34] <delltony> going to try now brb
[04:34] <cthulfuego> BockBilbo: Edit /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini
[04:34] <JDahl> all the lapack and blas documentation is fine - I was just being stupid
[04:34] <Pinguvin> k
[04:34] <cthulfuego> BockBilbo: To enable it in apache2, run 'ae2nmod php4'
[04:35] <cthulfuego> 'a2enmod' even
[04:35] <delltony> that worked
[04:35] <Pinguvin> delltony: great :)
[04:36] <delltony> out of curiousity whats the file that is used?
[04:36] <Pinguvin> i have no idea
[04:36] <delltony> ok
[04:36] <BockBilbo> cthulfuego, i already have the php4 module enabled
[04:36] <delltony> fair enough thanks or the help
[04:36] <BockBilbo> why should i edit the php.ini file?
[04:36] <delltony> by the way is that mirror up ?
[04:36] <CubicllyCentric> sigh, I'm still dealing with this GNOME consistant hdd writing problem... anyone wanna lend me a hand?
[04:38] <CubicllyCentric> It seems that every 3 or 4 seconds, (like clockwork) about 25k or so is writen to my drive... but only when I'm logged into Gnome.
[04:40] <CubicllyCentric> I've found others with the same problem... http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=24472
[04:40] <MobyTurbo> CubicllyCentric, maybe its FAM?
[04:41] <CubicllyCentric> what does fam do?
[04:41] <jah_raztah> who here has a very cool looking desktop and can send me a screenshot for ideas
[04:41] <MobyTurbo> CubicllyCentric, "file alteration monitor", part of GNOME
[04:42] <CubicllyCentric> and what will happen if i kill it's process?
[04:43] <MobyTurbo> CubicllyCentric, other programs will become unaware of other program's file changes.
[04:43] <farruinn> what's the name of the package that allows a new gdm login in a nested window?
[04:43] <membreya> hi there..trying to do the following in my /etc/fstab
[04:43] <membreya> /Wendys-PC/MP3s     /media/remotemp3s  smbfs    credentials=/root/.smbcredentials       0       0
[04:44] <membreya> and getting error message of smbfs: mount_data version 1684370019 is not supported in dmesg | tail
[04:44] <CubicllyCentric> MobyTurbo, and fam could be writing to the disk? I don't think I'd want to lose that feature...
[04:44] <MobyTurbo> CubicllyCentric, I vaguely recall that as being the explaination.
[04:45] <audiored> another attempt at asking this.. i have an icon that won't show up in my Applications/Games menu. even tho if i go to nautilus Applications://Games it is in fact there.  what's the problem?  anyone? =)
[04:46] <CubicllyCentric> I've read about this problem around the net, but it does not seem to be widespread. I've only seen it on my home computer (the one I'm on now)...
[04:47] <CubicllyCentric> MobyTurbo, nope.. killing famd did not stop it.
[04:48] <CubicllyCentric> MobyTurbo, but thanks, that's the best help I've been able to find in the past two days. . .sigh.
[04:48] <MobyTurbo> ok, good luck
[04:49] <CubicllyCentric> Well you are using ubuntu and gnome right?
[04:49] <MobyTurbo> CubicllyCentric, yup
[04:49] <MobyTurbo> CubicllyCentric, Ubuntu warty
[04:49] <CubicllyCentric> Is your disk activity light flashing slightly every few seconds on the dot?
[04:49] <MobyTurbo> CubicllyCentric, yes
[04:50] <CubicllyCentric> (ubuntu, warty here too)
[04:50] <CubicllyCentric> MobyTurbo, and this does not worry you?
[04:50] <MobyTurbo> CubicllyCentric, I figure the computer knows what it's doing. ;-)
[04:51] <CubicllyCentric> Well it's not so much a problem... so much as I'd like to know what in the hell is going on.
[04:51] <sigglet> http://linuxgoons.com/ <-- I've set up a local ubuntuguide mirror on my site in case it goes down again
[04:52] <CubicllyCentric> oddly, I have not seen this on some other gnome based systems.
[04:52] <membreya> my flicks on about every 5 - 10 seconds but only for a nano-second
[04:52] <membreya> yes I can really see that quickly!
[04:53] <Drizzt321> anyone in here running on amd64 at all?
[04:53] <membreya> Drizzt321: AMD64 3200+
[04:53] <membreya> :)
[04:53] <LinuxJones> CubicllyCentric, how about redirecting the output of lsof to a file when the hard drive starts writing and when it is not running then compare the 2 using diff maybe ?
[04:53] <Drizzt321> membreya: in the amd64 arch build?
[04:53] <Drizzt321> membreya: or in the standard x86 arch build?
[04:54] <membreya> yup running amd64 arch
[04:54] <membreya> got me the amd64 hoary
[04:54] <Drizzt321> membreya: you tried to get any i386 buit packages installed? and running?
[04:54] <CubicllyCentric> LinuxJones, while I would do so, the writes are only 25k so I'd have to be lucky to get it while in write.
[04:54] <membreya> i386 says that they're incompatible
[04:55] <LinuxJones> CubicllyCentric, yeah it would be luck :D
[04:55] <membreya> have to get 64bit builds of everything :|
[04:55] <Drizzt321> membreya: yea, thats what I've found. that blows, cause I wanted to turn cedega to try and move entirelly off windows, even for games
[04:55] <cthulfuego> membreya: No, you can simply run a 32bit chroot with ANY 32bit app.
[04:55] <cthulfuego> Drizzt321: I run cedega fine in the chroot here.
[04:55] <Drizzt321> cthulfuego: yea, but thats a pain in the butt
[04:56] <cthulfuego> Drizzt321: No, it's really not.
[04:56] <membreya> cthulfuego: I expect everything to work out of the box and with as little stress as possible...my god what am I doing running linux!
[04:56] <cthulfuego> Drizzt321: 'dchroot -c ia32 -d -q evolution' even gets me a non-broken evolution.
[04:56] <membreya> broken evolution?
[04:56] <cthulfuego> membreya: it's not as if any of your games would run on Windows XP 64bit.
[04:56] <membreya> what's broken about it?
[04:56] <Drizzt321> cthulfuego: I never setup chroot for an alternate arch
[04:57] <cthulfuego> Drizzt321: It's trivial.
[04:57] <cthulfuego> Drizzt321: Besides, you probably already have one under /emul/
[04:57] <membreya> cthulfuego: that's true..but I don't play games..only reason I boot into windows right now is to use TV out on my nvidia
[04:57] <Drizzt321> cthulfuego: nope, no /emul/
[04:57] <cthulfuego> membreya: The nvidia closed drivers work fine inder amd64.
[04:57] <Drizzt321> membreya: you should be able to use tv-out in linux
[04:57] <LinuxJones> night all
[04:58] <membreya> "should"...read my post on ubuntu forums...drivers won't install :(
[04:58] <cthulfuego> Drizzt321: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id274243
[04:58] <Drizzt321> cthulfuego: yea, I've read that
[04:59] <cthulfuego> Drizzt321: Dead easy, works great. (even cedega)
[04:59] <Drizzt321> cthulfuego: I am tempted to just jump on their attempt at multiarch, whenever they start implementing it if they haven't already
[04:59] <cthulfuego> membreya: They're packaged. Just apt-get 'em.
[04:59] <Drizzt321> cthulfuego: and do testing for them
[04:59] <Drizzt321> membreya: yea, for the nvidia video drivers, you can just apt-get(or synaptic)
[04:59] <cthulfuego> Drizzt321: I was on deb but moved to Ubuntu coz alioth was SO slow and unstable a month or so ago.
[04:59] <membreya> dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx' clashes with `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by xorg-driver-fglrx'
[04:59] <membreya> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.6629-0ubuntu20_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[04:59] <membreya>  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
[04:59] <membreya> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:59] <membreya>  /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.6629-0ubuntu20_amd64.deb
[05:00] <membreya> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:00] <membreya> too much Adam! :(
[05:00] <Drizzt321> membreya: for audio I had to get the nvidia package from nvidia, and have it install only the audio drivers
[05:00] <cthulfuego> membreya: purge xorg-driver-fglrx
[05:00] <cthulfuego> membreya: I'm sure you don't ALSO have an ati card.
[05:00] <membreya> ;)
[05:00] <Drizzt321> membreya: yea, what I was just going to tell you to do, get rid of the unused ati card drivers
[05:00] <membreya> <--- newbie
[05:00] <membreya> dpkg -purge?
[05:01] <cthulfuego> dpkg --purge xorg-driver-fglrx
[05:01] <cthulfuego> membreya: And yes, evolution tells me 'Floating point error'.
[05:01] <membreya> evolution works fine for me :|
[05:01] <membreya> but I prefer thunderbird
[05:02] <membreya> running evolution 2.1.5
[05:02] <cthulfuego> 2.1.5-0ubuntu1
[05:02] <cthulfuego> Does poo very hard.
[05:03] <membreya> use what works :P
[05:03] <cthulfuego> The debian source didn't even compile, though that may hve been a gcc-4.0 issue.
[05:04] <cthulfuego> membreya: And oh, the lack of DVD player might be annoying.
[05:04] <membreya> cutting edge there cthul? :)
[05:04] <membreya> my TV has a DVD player *shrugs*
[05:04] <cthulfuego> membreya: I noticed it pulling in gcc 4 stuff yesterday, thought I might as well update and see how it goes.
[05:05] <hybrid> hello all
[05:05] <Amaranth> debian unstable has gcc 4?
[05:05] <cthulfuego> Dunno, haven't checked.
[05:06] <cthulfuego> I doubt there would be much of an advantage to gcc 4 for ia32 anyway.
[05:06] <cthulfuego> That's already optimised to buggerry afaik.
[05:06] <membreya> back soon
[05:07] <hybrid> is their a program like lynx [as in being command line based]  for email ?
[05:08] <membreya> I love you all
[05:08] <cthulfuego> Oh look, you're in warm sunny vic too :-)
[05:08] <hybrid> like a command line thunderbird or evolution
[05:08] <JDahl> cthulfuego, gcc4 has better fortran90 support, doesnt it?
[05:08] <membreya> plutonically of course
[05:08] <cthulfuego> JDahl: omg, people still use fortran? Isn't that like INTERCAL ? ;-)
[05:08] <membreya> it's bloody hot cthulfuego ...almost aircon temp
[05:08] <hybrid> lol
[05:08] <lithi> does anyone know how to set a CUPS print server to queue all jobs server side? Queue jobs until released via web panel
[05:08] <cthulfuego> membreya: Hiding inside in West melbourne, house all locked up, nice and cool.
[05:09] <hybrid> cthulfuego ; well if ppl still use smalltalk and pascal fortran is ok
[05:09] <eyequeue> hybrid:  sudo apt-get install mutt
[05:09] <hybrid> ok thnx
[05:09] <membreya> ...now to see if I can get more than 3fps on ogl screen savers
[05:09] <eyequeue> mutt rox
[05:09] <JDahl> cthulfuego, you would be surprised with how much fortran code flows around ;) and compiling f90 code with opensource software is next to impossible
[05:09] <hybrid> really?
[05:09] <cthulfuego> membreya: Should run at 20-odd fps (with delay)
[05:10] <membreya> any way to display FPS?
[05:10] <cthulfuego> membreya: Yes, tick the 'display fps' box on the advanced prefs
[05:10] <membreya> I'll just hide under the "stupid rock" now
[05:11] <cthulfuego> membreya: Note performance will be MUCH better if you run a kernel without iommu/gart
[05:11] <membreya> just add a flag for nogart on boot?
[05:11] <membreya> or do I have to recompile? :|
[05:11] <cthulfuego> membreya: Also note 'rss-glx'
[05:12] <cthulfuego> 29.97 fps (Including 0.025s delay)
[05:12] <cthulfuego> *whee*
[05:12] <farruinn> lol, I love the gnubuntu background: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=19015
[05:12] <membreya> gah...ticked every box and I still can't see FPS
[05:13] <membreya> gah farruinn
[05:13] <cthulfuego> membreya: Desktop -> Prefernces -> Screensaver -> Atlantis -> Settings -> [x]  Show Frames-per-Second
[05:14] <membreya> screen saver specific..figures ;)
[05:14] <cthulfuego> membreya: of course!
[05:14] <membreya> 39.85 w/ .25 delay :)
[05:14] <membreya> w00t
[05:14] <cthulfuego> membreya: See also 'glxgears'
[05:14] <farruinn> I love seeing all the ubuntu backgrounds on gnome-look.
[05:15] <cthulfuego> farruinn: They're all so tiny :-(
[05:15] <cthulfuego> They all look like crap when scaled to 2048x1536
[05:15] <membreya> 30 w/ .2 delay
[05:15] <membreya> :|
[05:15] <hybrid> eyequeue mutt is pretty kool
[05:15] <hybrid> thnx
[05:15] <eyequeue> np
[05:16] <cthulfuego> membreya: (run glxgears from the command prompt)
[05:16] <eyequeue> read the docs some day, it's amazing how configurable it is (though the defaults are fine for starting)
[05:16] <membreya> zOOOOOOM!
[05:16] <hybrid> ok
[05:16] <cthulfuego> Should get 2500-3000 fps
[05:17] <membreya> lol it's stepping my cpu right up to 2.2ghz
[05:17] <cthulfuego> membreya: good :-)
[05:17] <membreya> 3736 frames in 5.0 seconds = 747.200 FPS
[05:17] <membreya> 7186 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1437.200 FPS
[05:17] <membreya> :)
[05:18] <membreya> sunshine pool was closed cthulfuego ..unless you mean footscray or sydenham
[05:18] <cthulfuego> Kensington
[05:19] <membreya> aaah :)
[05:21] <membreya> lemme know your fps for blocktube cthulfuego :P
[05:23] <hybrid> wo0t wo0t
[05:23] <hybrid> i got gnome working
[05:23] <membreya> anyone got a xorg.conf file that uses tv out on an nvidia that they can share? :)
[05:25] <eclipse> i haven't used ubuntu for a long time since version 4...anyway i wanna know what's new with version 5.04?
[05:26] <hybrid> eclipse it is alot of software updates like gnome gimp and so on
[05:26] <membreya> and wireless works out of the box ;)
[05:26] <hybrid> idk if the kernal is changed
[05:26] <eclipse> hydrid, what about x?
[05:26] <neom> I'm having no end of problems getting synergy working.
[05:26] <hybrid> *wonders what kernal warty had
[05:26] <eclipse> what version is gnome?
[05:27] <hybrid> eclipse umm 2.6 or so i believe idk much about x
[05:28] <eclipse> hybrid, i though when i was using version of ubuntu gnome was version 2.8
[05:28] <eclipse> thought
[05:28] <hybrid> idk let me check
[05:28] <jason___> eclipse: warty 2.6.8 kern and 2.8 gnome
[05:28] <membreya> hmmm using hoary ..anyone know why my preferences are being saved in things like totem (trying to get tv out working and it keeps resetting back) also synaptic isn't saving my options
[05:28] <hybrid> elcipse if i remember correctly it is not the absolute newest
[05:29] <randabis> kernel is 2.6.10, x is xorg 6.8.1 (soon to be 6.8.2)
[05:29] <randabis> for hoary
[05:29] <hybrid> thanx randabis for clearing that up
[05:29] <eclipse> randabis, thnx
[05:29] <randabis> gnome is currently 2.10 beta
[05:30] <randabis> will be 2.10 when it is released
[05:30] <eclipse> randabis, cool so r u using 5.04?
[05:30] <randabis> yes, on 3 systems
[05:30] <eclipse> stable?
[05:30] <hybrid> yea
[05:30] <randabis> probably going to be 2 systems soon though
[05:30] <hybrid> for the most part
[05:30] <randabis> depends on what you mean by stable
[05:30] <eyequeue> horse-barn
[05:31] <randabis> I'm probably going to completely migrate my main box to gentoo again...I'll leave hoary on my sister's box and my laptop though
[05:31] <eyequeue> i'm somewhat looking forward to x.org
[05:31] <randabis> it already dual boots gentoo and hoary
[05:32] <eclipse> by the way, when i was using gnome 2.8 it had some problems with the icons on the desktop not updated or should i say it had some refresh problems
[05:32] <hybrid> wut is differnt in gnome and x.org
[05:32] <crimsun> now now, randabis, let's not do anything rash.
[05:32] <randabis> lol
[05:32] <randabis> I like the speed :p
[05:32] <eclipse> hopefully it;s fixed in ver. 5.04
[05:32] <cef> sounds like I'm gonna have to go back to debian for these machines I was aiming to deploy
[05:33] <cef> *sigh* damn it.. and I was so happy with ubuntu till this
[05:33] <randabis> heh it's funny watching gcc compile itself
[05:33] <hybrid> wuts up
[05:33] <hybrid> lol
[05:34] <cef> clamav, amavisd-new, and spamassassin are only in universe.. which gets no security updates
[05:34] <eyequeue> randabis:  reminds me of "reflections on trusting trust" or whatever it's called
[05:34] <cef> which, for a mail server, is quite useless
[05:35] <eyequeue> www.acm.org/classics/sep95/
[05:42] <hdaalz> would anyone like help me with getting this cs4236b crystal sound card to work, at the moment its saying no sound cards found when I boot
[05:44] <hdaalz> I'm guessing its down to me using 2.6x kernel, and the ALSA sound drivers don't work as mods ?
[05:44] <vonschutter> hey, does anyone know how to configure sound so that the sound server can accept input from more that one source?
[05:45] <crimsun> vonschutter: alsa-lib's dsnoop.
[05:45] <jdub> vonschutter: that's what esd is for - it accepts input from multiple sources (from the user that ran it)
[05:45] <jdub> vonschutter: we configure everything to use esd by default
[05:45] <crimsun> hdaalz: they do work as mods. lemme read your above post.
[05:46] <jdub> (we use polypaudio in hoary, but same thing applies)
[05:46] <vonschutter> I see...
[05:46] <crimsun> hdaalz: please paste lsmod output to http://pastebin.ca
[05:46] <vonschutter> what is so advanced about ALSA in that case?
[05:46] <ficusplanet> jdub, is usplash still planned for hoary?
[05:47] <jdub> roughly
[05:47] <jdub> vonschutter: it's a new driver model and userspace API
[05:48] <jdub> vonschutter: it's a leap ahead of OSS for various reasons
[05:48] <hdaalz> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/5784
[05:48] <jdub> vonschutter: but it doesn't make your hardware magically better ;)
[05:48] <jdub> vonschutter: in future, we may be able to use ALSA's dmix, but it's a bit b0rky atm
[05:48] <themonkey> hey yall
[05:48] <ficusplanet> jdub: meaning it might go in right after?  or that you guys have a few issues to work out before you can be sure?
[05:48] <themonkey> what is good firewall software?
[05:48] <jdub> ficusplanet: the latter
[05:49] <farruinn> themonkey: you mean besides the linux kernel? ;)
[05:49] <ficusplanet> jdub: Thanks
[05:49] <farruinn> themonkey: firestarter is pretty straightforward
[05:49] <membreya> ...and a hardware firewall? *hugs his netgear*
[05:50] <themonkey> alright, but i need something more customizeable, and im not compiling my kernel just yet
[05:50] <vonschutter> jdub: ok thankx buddy!
[05:50] <crimsun> hdaalz: sudo modprobe snd-cs4236 isapnp=0
[05:50] <farruinn> not that a firewall is especially necessary on Ubuntu, or so I've been told
[05:50] <themonkey> some firewall software would be nice and easy though
[05:50] <farruinn> themonkey: I was making a joke, you don't need to customize your kernel, just iptables
[05:50] <farruinn> firestarter allows you to modify your iptables
[05:51] <themonkey> and changing options on the fly like that
[05:51] <themonkey> yeah, what else besides firestarter?
[05:51] <farruinn> apt-cache search firewall should give you a few options
[05:51] <themonkey> yeah i was looking for a recommendation
[05:51] <themonkey> but thanks!
[05:51] <membreya> gah ..this will learn me to configure my computer after being awake for 24 hours...where is the option to always save current setup in gnome?
[05:53] <themonkey> firestarter then, how do you see what ports are open and which are closed with that software
[05:53] <farruinn> membreya: sessions?
[05:53] <membreya> merci :)
[05:53] <farruinn> themonkey: as I said, it's pretty straightforward.  You could install it and see.  If you don't like it remove it.
[05:54] <themonkey> and how the hell did someone ssh in to my systen and rewrite my ruleset for my firewall
[05:54] <themonkey> i have installedit
[05:54] <themonkey> yeah bad things are happend to my computer
[05:54] <lydickaw> they also have screenshots: http://www.fs-security.com/
[05:55] <farruinn> themonkey: if they ssh'd in then you must have turned on sshd in which case you could just turn it off and wouldn't need the firewall anyway
[05:55] <themonkey> ok maybe they didnt ssh then, but there was an attempt
[05:55] <themonkey> and my logs are deleted
[05:56] <themonkey> i dunno what happened
[05:56] <themonkey> but i didnt do it =o)
[05:56] <themonkey> yeah its not that funny accually
[05:56] <themonkey> ....
[05:56] <lydickaw> if you think your machine has been compromised, and you don't understand how, I'd flatten and reinstall
[05:57] <themonkey> whacha mean by flatten?
[05:57] <themonkey> cuz im bout to reinstall
[05:57] <lydickaw> reformat
[05:57] <lydickaw> install from trusted media
[05:57] <mpq> anyone know which version of AIM I should download?
[05:57] <farruinn> themonkey: is that the only symptom? your logs are gone?
[05:58] <themonkey> yeah of course, ok well im off to do this stuff
[05:58] <crimsun> mpq: (gaim works fine)
[05:58] <themonkey> no im constantly being bombarded by this one guy
[05:58] <mpq> huh?
[05:58] <mpq> I don't know what that is
[05:58] <themonkey> who must love my computer
[05:58] <themonkey> =o)
[05:59] <crimsun> mpq: an instant message client that supports aim/icq/yahoo/msn/irc/etc.
[05:59] <lydickaw> themonkey: probably just automated bots looking for weak passwords on standard accounts
[05:59] <mpq> ok
[05:59] <lydickaw> I seem to recall that its been going around
[05:59] <mpq> then how do I get it?
[05:59] <themonkey> and also my ruleset on my firewall was rewrote to not record ssh's
[05:59] <crimsun> mpq: sudo aptitude install gaim
[05:59] <lydickaw> ensure you are using a fairly long/complex password and you are fine
[05:59] <crimsun> mpq: if it's not already installed
[05:59] <crimsun> mpq: Applications>Internet
[05:59] <lydickaw> or better -- don't enable SSHD if you don't need it
[06:00] <ficusplanet> mpq: On  a default ubuntu install, it would be in your internet menu as "Internet Messenger"
[06:00] <mpq> ok
[06:00] <themonkey> well i thought it wasnt enabled
[06:00] <lydickaw> logging attempts probably won't help you much, unless you plan to follow up with law enforcement or something.
[06:00] <crimsun> hdaalz: ping
[06:00] <farruinn> themonkey: just because he attempts doesn't mean he gets through
[06:00] <themonkey> yeah but he did it to hide his actions
[06:00] <lydickaw> I suppose you could block the connecting IPs, but any serious attacker would just bounce off another source
[06:00] <themonkey> right i know
[06:00] <lydickaw> so trying to blacklist them all would be wasting your time
[06:01] <mpq> is there a way to create a new account from gaim?
[06:01] <crimsun> mpq: yes
[06:01] <themonkey> hey where is that ssh option?
[06:02] <lydickaw> sorry, which option?
[06:02] <themonkey> where you can disable it from gnome
[06:03] <lydickaw> I'm not sure -- there might be a "Services" app under one of the admin menus
[06:03] <lydickaw> apt-get remove openssh-server
[06:03] <lydickaw> should do the job, however
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> er
[06:03] <lydickaw> I think the package is split into -client / -server
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> ssh is not enabled by default
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> or indeed installed
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> the ONLY way you would have it
[06:04] <HrdwrBoB> is if you installed it
[06:04] <themonkey> alright well im gunna fix this right quick
[06:04] <themonkey> see yall l8r
[06:04] <lydickaw> HrdwrBoB: doesn't apt-get install "ssh" install it and enable it? I suspect you need to apt-get install "openssh-client" to just get the client
[06:05] <SiRrUs> what process would getty be
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> lydickaw: ssh client is installed by default
[06:05] <lydickaw> HrdwrBoB: ahh
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> but yes, installing 'ssh' will install the server
[06:06] <rattboi> yo all
[06:06] <lost_name> hello all
[06:07] <SiRrUs> HrdwrBoB would you know what getty is?
[06:07] <HrdwrBoB> yes I do
[06:08] <hdaalz> hey crimsun, sorry had to be afk for a few moments
[06:08] <hdaalz> that last command you give me, didn't output anything, how do i test that sound now works?
[06:08] <SiRrUs> HrdwrBoB what is it?
[06:08] <HrdwrBoB> SiRrUs: it's basically a login daemon
[06:09] <hdaalz> loaded volum control from the multimedia menu, i see the cs4236b tabs
[06:09] <SiRrUs> ok i didnt notice it running in my processes before was just wondering
[06:10] <lost_name> I am trying to get ubuntu to work on my system. After installation I am getting this error : /user/X11/lib/X11/xinit/Xserverrc:line2:/user/bin/X11//x: no such file or directory. Any suggestions?
[06:10] <dejavu> ppl ....  what is the best P2P  Application for linux ?
[06:10] <dejavu> ppl ....  what is the best P2P  Application for linux ?
[06:10] <SiRrUs> is it used for my own login purposes or a remote login
[06:11] <lydickaw> login from serial ports and virtual terminals
[06:11] <lydickaw> local
[06:12] <eyequeue> /usr/sbin/pppd
[06:12] <calamari> is there a recommended program for checking cpu temp?
[06:12] <hdaalz> crimsun: I think sound now works, thank you for your help. sorry i couldn't repond sooner
[06:13] <crimsun> hdaalz: ok.
[06:13] <farruinn_> calamari: you mean besides cat /proc/cpuinfo?
[06:13] <andrewski> hey all, is it possible to hear a CD playing while it rips?
[06:14] <calamari> farruinn: yeah, I guess.. because that doesn't give cpu temperature :)
[06:14] <farruinn_> calamari: really? It lies?!
[06:14] <calamari> although now I know my CPU is 1409.892 MHz :)
[06:15] <lost_name> I am trying to get ubuntu to work on my system. After installation I am getting this error : /user/X11/lib/X11/xinit/Xserverrc:line2:/user/bin/X11//x: no such file or directory. Any suggestions?
[06:15] <eyequeue> farruinn_:  it doesn't give temp here either
[06:15] <calamari> farruinn: it doesn't lie.. it just doesn't say at all, at least here :)
[06:16] <snowblink> cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature
[06:16] <farruinn> oh, you pc folks, I see how it is.
[06:16] <farruinn> This is on a mac, so I suppose that's why
[06:16] <lydickaw> stupid raid q: I'm trying to port a machine with a raid5 array from a debian woody machine, raidtab, no persistant superblocks. I backed up a copy of my raidtab, left the array untouched, did a clean warty install on my (non-raid) root drive, then upgraded to hoary with dist-upgrade. I restored my raidtab and installed raidtool2, but md0 refuses to come up. it just prints /dev/md0: invalid argument 5 times and dmesg spews somethi
[06:16] <lydickaw> ng about missing superblocks.
[06:16] <lydickaw> any thoughts?
[06:16] <lydickaw> :)
[06:16] <Killian> evenin everyone
[06:17] <eyequeue> 40C ?!  yow
[06:17] <eyequeue> is 40C as bad as i think it is?
[06:17] <crimsun> that's fairly high, yes.
[06:18] <calamari> hmm.. still not there.. my system is funky I guess
[06:18] <eyequeue> this is the only time i've been aware of the temp, so have no baseline for comparison
[06:18] <Killian> anyone run across this problem?  updating PERL-Base isnt liked, but synaptic wont let you NOT upgrade it, so unmarking it makes it take all perl out, leaving the system "useless" :
[06:18] <eyequeue> what should a laptop usually run?
[06:19] <viper12> hi all.
[06:19] <snowblink> eyequeue: depends - my laptop runs 55-80
[06:20] <Killian> damn
[06:20] <eyequeue> and here i thought centrino had a reputation for being cooler than average
[06:20] <viper12> Anyone know of a website/forum where the config for sound cards isn't written by a propellor head? (no offense to prop heads).  Trying to get a TB Santa Cruz working.
[06:20] <eyequeue> xchat doesn't strike me as a likely culprit in driving the temp up either, lol
[06:20] <mpq> does gaim support file transfers?
[06:21] <hdaalz> yes
[06:21] <snowblink> eyequeue: are you running powernowd?
[06:21] <Killian> yeah mpq : mine did
[06:21] <crimsun> viper12: should already work out of the box via the snd_cs46xx module
[06:21] <eyequeue> mpq:  i've done them using gaim before, yes
[06:21] <mpq> ok
[06:21] <mpq> because the only reason I wanted aim in the first place was because someone wanted to send me a file
[06:21] <viper12> crimsun.......2 channels are operating only.  trying to get the subwoof/rears ta go.
[06:21] <hdaalz> mpq: I use it fine on IRC and MSN for file transfers
[06:21] <eyequeue> mpq:  i can't say if that varies from protocol to protocol though, but this was behind nat on my end, if that matters (and i was the receiving end)
[06:22] <mpq> ok
[06:22] <BockBilbo> byee
[06:22] <hdaalz> I'm actually on IRC using gaim at the moment too
[06:22] <crimsun> viper12: tried using the surround* virtual devices?
[06:22] <viper12> via which util? alsa, gnome/etc.,etc.?
[06:22] <crimsun> viper12: any alsa app. Try aplay -Dplug:surround51 foo.wav
[06:23] <crimsun> or plug:surround40 or plug:surround50
[06:24] <lost_name> I am trying to get ubuntu to work on my system. After installation I am getting this error : /user/X11/lib/X11/xinit/Xserverrc:line2:/user/bin/X11//x: no such file or directory. Any suggestions?
[06:24] <crimsun> lost_name: /user ?
[06:24] <crimsun> lost_name: do you mean /usr ?
[06:24] <lost_name> yes
[06:24] <crimsun> (yes to which question?)
[06:25] <lost_name> i mean usr
[06:26] <lost_name> crimsun ..
[06:27] <crimsun> lost_name: dpkg -l xserver-common|grep ^ii
[06:28] <lmurillo> hi
[06:28] <neom> hi
[06:29] <lmurillo> Trying to configure a dynamic dns with dhcp3 and bind9
[06:29] <lmurillo> can someone tell me what they mean by:
[06:29] <lmurillo> key md5hash { 	algorithm hmac-md5; 	secret "secret-md5-key"; }
[06:29] <lmurillo> does this mean that I have to create my own "secret-md5-key"?
[06:29] <lmurillo> and if so how?
[06:29] <lmurillo> btw, n00b :)
[06:29] <lmurillo> I think that this is what's keeping me from getting this done :(
[06:30] <lost_name> hm crimsun need to restart with shell  be righ back
[06:30] <lmurillo> it's rather quiet tonight
[06:31] <crimsun> lmurillo: there are instructions in /usr/share/doc/$package/
[06:31] <fsc> in synaptic how do i hold back a package from upgrading?
[06:31] <crimsun> fsc: I use aptitude myself: sudo aptitude hold <packages>
[06:31] <lmurillo> crimsun: hmm, guess I should have checked first, my bad. I always forget
[06:31] <lmurillo> although I've done some googling
[06:31] <lmurillo> :)
[06:31] <snowblink> fsc: you can lock it
[06:32] <fsc> crimsun, that's fine. it doesn't have to be synaptic.  in fact, i've been a apt-get command line guy for years, but have never locked anything, but i've been enjoying synaptic the past few days
[06:33] <fsc> crimsun, my hoary upgrade from warty last night went smooth except for ndiswrapper which i had to revert back to. so i have to put a lock on it
[06:34] <fsc> ok, i've done the migration to hoary, but not xorg yet. not sure if i should mess with that.  what eye candy and or speed will xorg give me?
[06:34] <fsc> plus i need ATI drivers to work too...9600
[06:34] <elmaya> none
[06:34] <eyequeue> drop shadows behind the windows, i'm told
[06:34] <eyequeue> i'm still with warty though
[06:35] <eyequeue> to me the major benefit would be the licensing status
[06:35] <stuNNed> what is aptitude? and advancement of apt-get?
[06:35] <fsc> drop shadows is kindof cool...but not sure if it's worth it right now.  i'm still waiting (probably years before mainline) for Xservers to become opengl accelerated and then gtk+/Cairo/Glitz gets done.   then we'll see some very nice eyecand
[06:35] <crimsun> stuNNed: aptitude is another front end to apt.
[06:36] <eyequeue> stuNNed:  a command-line gui for apt, semi-successor to dselect
[06:36] <eyequeue> aptitude (1)         - high-level interface to the package manager.
[06:38] <stuNNed> dselect then aptitude then apt-get is the order?
[06:38] <cthulfuego> mind you, aptitude sometimes fucks up depends. If it does, use dselect to fix.
[06:38] <stuNNed> cthulfuego: thanks
[06:39] <cthulfuego> stuNNed: apt-get install aptitude; aptitude
[06:39] <eyequeue> stuNNed:  my daily routine used to be "apt-get update && dselect select && apt-get dselect-upgrade"
[06:39] <eyequeue> stuNNed:  those are the manual steps that you can get just from "dselect"
[06:39] <eyequeue> actually, let me correct that
[06:39] <stuNNed> ok
[06:40] <eyequeue> stuNNed:  my daily routine used to be "dselect update && dselect select && apt-get dselect-upgrade"
[06:40] <crimsun> I'm just a sucker. I use aptitude nearly as a drop-in replacement for apt-get.
[06:40] <crimsun> (except build-dep and source)
[06:40] <eyequeue> dist-upgrade carries danger, don't go there unless you accept it
[06:40] <cthulfuego> eyequeue: That's why it prompts [y/N] 
[06:41] <cthulfuego> eyequeue: If people fuck their systems up that way, they only have themselves to blame.
[06:41] <eyequeue> dist- means "blinfly screw with dependencies and do something, but not necessarily what i expect" heh
[06:41] <cthulfuego> eyequeue: it pulls in additional depends and renamed packages. Highly useful.
[06:41] <hdaalz> thank you crimsun & ubuntu ppl, finally been able to leave windows behind
[06:41] <eyequeue> cthulfuego:  i feel i accomplish that within dselect
[06:42] <duckdown> Hi.. I just installed array4.. and im trying startx, but it says it can't find the system font 'fixed' and i'm pretty sure thats the only reason its not starting
[06:43] <cthulfuego> eyequeue: Yes, dselect does the same thing. (note _same_)
[06:43] <cthulfuego> duckdown: install x-window-system-core
[06:43] <duckdown> yikes.. how did i miss that during aptitude?
[06:43] <eyequeue> okay, this is not meant to be a religious question, nor is it specificially-ubuntu
[06:43] <crimsun> hdaalz: brave, you are.
[06:44] <cthulfuego> if you installed an X server, it *really* should have grabbed the fonts anyway.
[06:44] <Anubis> on a minor note
[06:44] <Anubis> synaptic is not keeping my settings
[06:44] <duckdown> I selected xorg
[06:44] <duckdown> aargh
[06:44] <eyequeue> i have a choiuce of two scripts to run in xchat, one tcl one python.  which would be better and why, if that's the only info i have?
[06:44] <cthulfuego> Naughty aptitude then.
[06:44] <Anubis> everytime it starts i have to check don't show this info box again
[06:45] <crimsun> eyequeue: I would pick whichever is better maintained.
[06:45] <cthulfuego> crimsun: irssi? ;-)
[06:45] <fsc> eyequeue, as crimsun said
[06:45] <duckdown> irssi :D
[06:45] <crimsun> cthulfuego: he might be using irssi in proxy mode ;)
[06:45] <eyequeue> for anyone interested in the actual scripts, they are at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nocloakxchat
[06:45] <fsc> eyequeue, and if you have to do the maintaining
[06:46] <fsc> eyequeue, if you're going to be adding/modifying the scripts what language do you feel more comfortable in?
[06:46] <duckdown> my god.. it really wasn't selected in aptitude.. im wack
[06:46] <eyequeue> fsc:  knowing neiher, it's not a factor, heh
[06:46] <fsc> eyequeue, then whatever one does the job better. try both i guess
[06:46] <eyequeue> i wasn't sure if tcl or python was more resource-demanding, or slower., or something
[06:47] <fsc> eyequeue, i know nothing about tcl, and know a little python so couldn't tell you
[06:47] <eyequeue> since i can't really asses the quality of writing, not knowing either language, i waws going to choose bsaed on geraralities between the languages
[06:47] <eyequeue> minus the typos
[06:48] <fsc> eyequeue, the python script might have a chance of being maintained better just because of the popularity of the language.  i think ubuntu are big python supporters
[06:49] <eyequeue> fsc:  okay great, that's enough to influence me :)
[06:50] <fsc> eyequeue, i remember reading a while back on some ubuntu web page about how it's a semi-official ubuntu language...or something to that effect...they want to do a lot of python development.  which is great. i love python
[06:51] <eyequeue> cool
[06:51] <duckdown> booya xorg works :D
[06:51] <eyequeue> it may end up being a factor in finally getting me to learn a bit of python
[06:52] <fsc> duckdown, cool. what drivers? and what kind of hassle was it. i just upgraded to hoary last night, but not sure about upgrading to xorg
[06:52] <eyequeue> fsc:  are there any python newbie sites you recommend after your experiences?
[06:52] <duckdown> fsc- surprisngly array4 was an absolute breeze
[06:52] <duckdown> im using the stock nv driver too
[06:52] <duckdown> only holdup was me overlooking something in aptitude :] 
[06:52] <snowblink> eyequeue: diveintopython is good - you can apt get it
[06:53] <fsc> eyequeue, goto python.org. tons of newbie stuff. i'm a newbie too. i'm reading a python book right now
[06:53] <fsc> eyequeue, newbie to python but not C/C++/Java/C#
[06:53] <eyequeue> snowblink, fsc: thanks
[06:53] <cthulfuego> fsc: Xorg works fine, but don't expect to be using transparency on a non-nvidia card or with DRI enabled.
[06:54] <fsc> cthulfuego, then forget about me. i've got ati
[06:54] <cthulfuego> fsc: It's run, but transparency will be *slow*
[06:54] <fsc> cthulfuego, so is ATI drivers and xorg working?
[06:54] <jason___> eyequeue: http://www.techbooksforfree.com/
[06:54] <duckdown> the transparency i had before i formatted was smooth as hell
[06:54] <cthulfuego> fsc: My Radeon U1 (laptop) runs in DRI mode with Xorg.
[06:54] <duckdown> but ive got a 6800gt
[06:55] <fsc> cthulfuego, what's U1? I have a 9600 mobile pro
[06:55] <eyequeue> jason___:  great!
[06:55] <cthulfuego> fsc: No idea what it equates to.
[06:55] <fsc> cthulfuego, usually ati goes something like starting with the 7xxx series and then the 9xxx series...9200, 9600, 9700, 9800
[06:56] <cthulfuego> fsc: fglrx doesn't wotk for it though, so I *have* to use the free drivers.
[06:56] <cthulfuego> IGP 320
[06:56] <cthulfuego> fsc: Mine is integrated, yours is probably external.
[06:57] <duckdown> can someone please show me the standard way to use make-kpkg to do my new kernel config? I'm confused by the man page a bit.. just sample syntax please
[06:57] <duckdown> I don't want to mess it up
[06:57] <cthulfuego> duckdown: make menuconfig; make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision myhostname.1 kernel-image
[06:57] <duckdown> what about the initrd option? i see all the current images in /boot have matching initrds
[06:58] <cthulfuego> duckdown: Did you configure your kernel for initrd or did you say 'Y' to IDE and root fs support?
[06:58] <duckdown> Err, there may be a good chance i picked both.. I know I picked initrd built in I believe
[06:59] <cthulfuego> duckdown: No, it's one OR the other.
[06:59] <duckdown> OK let me double check.. Sorry..
[06:59] <cthulfuego> duckdown: If support for i/o and rootfs is built-in, you don't need initrd.
[06:59] <cthulfuego> it'll say <*> or <M>
[07:00] <DeepSpaceAnt> hey guys, is it possible to mount BIN images?
[07:00] <randabis> no
[07:00] <randabis> convert it to iso
[07:00] <cthulfuego> DeepSpaceAnt: After you convert 'em to ISO,
[07:00] <DeepSpaceAnt> ah
[07:00] <DeepSpaceAnt> what prog do i use for that?
[07:00] <cthulfuego> bchunk
[07:01] <randabis> yep bchunk will do the trick
[07:01] <randabis> make sure you have the cue files
[07:01] <DeepSpaceAnt> ty
[07:01] <cthulfuego> if not, and they're data images, just use $EDITOR to create a cue file.
[07:02] <DeepSpaceAnt> i have 'em
[07:03] <DeepSpaceAnt> wow bchunk is pretty fast
[07:03] <cthulfuego> No reason it shouldn't be.
[07:03] <cthulfuego> Opening and closing a 600Mb file isn't *that* cpu intensive.
[07:04] <randabis> hehe
[07:05] <randabis> my cpu is having fun emerging 452 ebuilds lol
[07:06] <farruinn> emerge sure seems reminiscent of the ports system, is there a connection?
[07:06] <randabis> yes
[07:06] <farruinn> so basically 'emerge' is 'port' for linux?
[07:06] <randabis> portage is heavily based on ports
[07:06] <randabis> it's portage, not emerge :p
[07:06] <duckdown> cthulfuego: does that make kpkg command cover the modules also? and will it put the image in /boot ?
[07:07] <farruinn> randabis: eh, whatever, never used gentoo ;)
[07:07] <randabis> hehe s'ok
[07:07] <randabis> I used to use it a lot...stopped for a while, got into ubuntu..now I'm back on gentoo..dual booting with ubuntu
[07:08] <randabis> thinking about removing ubuntu completely though...I'll still keep it on my laptop and my sister's computer though
[07:09] <cthulfuego> duckdown: No, it won't install the file is created. You need to run 'dpkg -i kernel-image-foo.deb' (created in the parent directory). It also processes KERNEL modules, but not 3rd party modules.
[07:10] <regeya> well, portage purports to be a next-generation ports system...the code for portage is, um, interesting
[07:10] <randabis> heh
[07:10] <duckdown> cthulfuego: thanks.. im in the process of compiling right now
[07:10] <randabis> I wouldn't know...I'm not a programmer...yet...
[07:10] <delltony> has anyone put a ubuntuguide.org mirror up yet?
[07:11] <randabis> there should be a few up already
[07:11] <delltony> and they can be found where?
[07:11] <regeya> I've had this thought about up-to-date packages on ubuntu, and how to keep from clobbering the existing system, or its package database...I'm wondering, though, if doing a Fink-style system using Portage as a basis is like fixing a loose nail with a tactical nuke
[07:11] <randabis> hah
[07:12] <randabis> delltony, tried google?
[07:12] <regeya> got to thinking about that when I realized that warty's windowmaker package is over 2 years old
[07:12] <randabis> haha that's pretty bad
[07:12] <delltony> yeah i did but will try again
[07:13] <membreya> what is it with hoary and updating gnome :|
[07:14] <zenrox> membreya,  what do you mean
[07:14] <membreya> (meaning trash/ recent documents/ etc/ et al, don't update unless you kill gnome-panels
[07:14] <regeya> I value a stable OS, but dang, this version of windowmaker is over 2 years old!
[07:14] <regeya> granted the latest release was during the current warty cycle, but still
[07:14] <zenrox> hoary is constantly updating
[07:14] <randabis> hoary's gnome updates have been funky lately
[07:15] <randabis> debian menu randomly coming back, etc
[07:15] <seacyd> Does anybody know where to configure the Epiphany switch "work offline"? Its always on when I restart Epiphany.
[07:15] <membreya> i mean icons etc...try deleting your recent documents lest
[07:15] <membreya> it's weird
[07:15] <membreya> and my synaptic isn't remembering when I untick the box for "show the welcome message every time"
[07:15] <membreya> ....AND they took away the wireless icon in the gnome applets :\
[07:15] <membreya> just when I get wireless working lol
[07:15] <zenrox> its all ways being fixedx
[07:16] <zenrox> just give it time thats the point of using a devel os
[07:16] <zenrox> like hoary
[07:16] <zenrox> you find the probs
[07:16] <membreya> spose it is pre-release..it's like bitching about using windows64
[07:16] <zenrox> yep
[07:16] <randabis> heh
[07:17] <randabis> I just didn't like the debian menu coming back out of no where :p
[07:17] <zenrox> lol
[07:18] <randabis> jdub gave me a fix...remove menus-xdg
[07:18] <randabis> but that seems like something I shouldn't have to do :/
[07:18] <farruinn> but then you don'thave the menu in windowmaker, blackbox, etc... right?
[07:19] <farruinn> is menus-xdg installed by default in hoary? it's not in warty
[07:19] <farruinn> menu-xdg*
[07:19] <randabis> yeah
[07:19] <membreya> who's running warty here? :P
[07:19] <randabis> I "think"
[07:19] <randabis> I only ran warty a couple of days
[07:20] <farruinn> heh, I prefer a less exciting, more usable environment =)
[07:20] <zenrox> me too
[07:20] <spinifex> hey, I just downloaded the k3d package and I can't get it to rotate the viewport
[07:20] <zenrox> i was like randabis
[07:20] <regeya> I'm running warty. :-P
[07:20] <spinifex> the tutorial does it, and moves it around, but I try and right-click on it and nothing happens..
[07:20] <zenrox> i want the newest os cutting edge woth stability
[07:20] <membreya> regeya: then let us know..is menus-xdg installed ?:P
[07:21] <zenrox> and hoary give that to me
[07:21] <randabis> but like I said, ubuntu's probably going to die on this machine soon
[07:21] <membreya> very true spinifex ..it just has a few "quirks"
[07:21] <spinifex> um..  but this 'quirk' makes it unusable.  How do I rotate?
[07:21] <membreya> sorry .. I meant zenrox ...damnit I'm tired
[07:21] <membreya> and I still have to go out
[07:22] <zenrox> lol
[07:22] <farruinn> heheh, what is k3d?
[07:22] <spinifex> 3d rendering program
[07:22] <regeya> I do not have menus-xdg installed.  so?
[07:22] <randabis> that means menu-xdg must be a hoary thing
[07:23] <randabis> cause I don't ever remember installing that
[07:23] <randabis> and it was on my system
[07:23] <membreya> we were just curies as to if it was installed by default in warty
[07:23] <membreya> randabis: it wasn't installed on my hoary :|
[07:23] <randabis> hmm
[07:23] <randabis> it must have just randomly installed itself
[07:24] <Bicchi> Ubuntu Vs Gentoo. for AMD64. which one and why?
[07:24] <randabis> either is good
[07:24] <randabis> ubuntu is you want a working system faster
[07:24] <membreya> ubuntu has a pretty installation ;)
[07:25] <regeya> ubuntu if you're not a control freak and want your system working now, gentoo if you are a control freak ;-)
[07:25] <randabis> gentoo if you're a powertweaker and like complete control of everything you instal, etc
[07:25] <Bicchi> how about speed can is ubuntu as fast as gentoo
[07:25] <randabis> ubuntu is a bit slower imho, but not drastically
[07:25] <randabis> don't know how your mileage would be on amd64 though
[07:25] <Bicchi> does ubuntu have emerge or a similar update manager.
[07:25] <randabis> ubuntu is debian-based
[07:25] <randabis> it uses apt
[07:26] <farruinn> dpkg technically ;)
[07:26] <regeya> well, randabis, if you tune your fs, install and configure prelink, you'll be close to gentoo speeds, though ymmv
[07:26] <randabis> apt is on par with portage
[07:26] <membreya> can I mount my ntfs to allow writes?
[07:26] <randabis> regeya, did all that. :) gentoo's still faster
[07:26] <Bicchi> why is ubuntu only 1 cd and mandrake, fedora, etc, 3 cds.
[07:26] <membreya> linux is on a 10gb partition and the files I want to write to are 30+gb
[07:26] <zenrox> ubuntus cd gets most of its soft from the web
[07:27] <randabis> Bicchi, because only a basic desktop is on the cd
[07:27] <randabis> if you want the entire library of ubuntu packages you have to enable universe in sources.list
[07:27] <spinifex> oh whoops, I think the reason I couldn't mess with it is because it's doing the tutorial.  nm
[07:27] <Bicchi> how about that live cd. should that give me a good demo of what ubuntu can do.
[07:27] <randabis> sure
[07:27] <zenrox> Bicchi, yep
[07:28] <randabis> I recommend using the latest hoary live cd though
[07:28] <regeya> randabis: I'd evaluate what stuff you've got running in the background, then.  or maybe the fact that I was compiling everything for a small-cache processor on gentoo and only one compiler flag (-Os) had something to do with my gentoo system's slowness :-)
[07:28] <randabis> it pwns the warty live cd
[07:28] <randabis> regeya I have several cflags and even some ldflags
[07:28] <sege> i upgraded to hoary yesterday, gnome stopped working and kde started so i'm happy =)
[07:29] <regeya> heh
[07:29] <farruinn> lol, never heard someone say they were happy something stopped working
[07:29] <Bicchi> lets say i would like to do things like update the kernel, is it as easy as with gentoo using emerge. i know its based on debian as someone said early.
[07:29] <membreya> hey...noone answered my question :P
[07:29] <randabis> Bicchi, yes...you'd just apt-get a new kernel image
[07:29] <randabis> you also have the option of rolling your own kernel
[07:30] <randabis> you'd do it the debian way
[07:30] <randabis> or the standard way if you wish
[07:30] <randabis> debian way is a bit easier though
[07:30] <regeya> farruinn, some people like kde. *shrug* I don't like some of the unresolved konq fs-view bugs, but it's fast these days.
[07:30] <Bicchi> sorry, no experience with debian. can you explain how easy.
[07:31] <randabis> I might give the kde 3.4 beta a try...damn that compile would hurt though
[07:31] <sege> i just cant stand gnome, dont know why.
[07:31] <randabis> Bicchi, http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm explains it pretty well
[07:31] <Bicchi> way this thing does not come with kde ?
[07:31] <jdub> guys, gentoo and desktop arguments are off topic here thanks
[07:31] <jdub> Bicchi: ubuntu doesn't support kde; there will be a kubuntu release soon, which will
[07:32] <randabis> Bicchi, not by default...
[07:32] <Bicchi> i guess i will wait
[07:32] <randabis> Bicchi, you can get kde in current ubuntu if you want
[07:32] <randabis> warty has 3.2 in universe
[07:32] <randabis> hoary has 3.3.2 in universe
[07:32] <regeya> indeed
[07:33] <regeya> unsupported, but they're there :-P
[07:33] <randabis> I think you should give ubuntu's gnome a try though...it pwns every other distro's gnome
[07:34] <Bicchi> i have allways like kde better.
[07:34] <membreya> can I mount my ntfs to allow writes?
[07:35] <regeya> Bicchi, I do too, for the most part, though right now I'm running WM + some gnome stuff.  Ubuntu is geared more toward GNOME use, though.  As jdub said, kubuntu will address that
[07:35] <Bicchi> membreya: i do not think linux kernel supports that, then again, i am new here.
[07:36] <DeepSpaceAnt> Anyone know where i can find help on how to install hl2 using cedega?
[07:36] <regeya> #cedega
[07:36] <randabis> membreya, you can only do that under some circumstances
[07:36] <randabis> there is a driver out there for linux that will let you write to ntfs
[07:36] <membreya> damnit...guess once I get tv-out working I will just dump my windows partition
[07:36] <randabis> it uses the windows driver
[07:36] <eyequeue> membreya:  can you, yes, should you, no
[07:37] <membreya> who here has a xorg.conf file for an nvidia that uses tv-out? :P
[07:37] <Bicchi> membreya: convert ntfs to fat32, problem solved.
[07:37] <randabis> remove windows? excellent :p
[07:37] <membreya> you're a clever one Bicchi :)
[07:37] <eyequeue> membreya:  allegedly there's a thrid-party util that allows safer]  ntfs writes
[07:37] <randabis> yeah it exists...I can't remember the name of it
[07:40] <eyequeue> randabis:  membreya: www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[07:40] <randabis> yeah that's it
[07:40] <randabis> I have no use for it myself
[07:40] <Bicchi> anyone running ubuntu on an amd64, how would you rate it. how advance is ubuntu in 64 bit computing. i mean how much software has been converted to support this platform.
[07:41] <membreya> I think I'll just follow Bicchi's advice and convert the partition back to FAT32
[07:42] <Bicchi> membreya: partition magic does a wonderfull job at it.
[07:42] <membreya> will just use the command prompt :)
[07:42] <Bicchi> defrag first, them backup
[07:42] <membreya> partition is always 0% fragged :)
[07:42] <membreya> I have 40gb of music vids and 30gb of TV eps...won't cry if I lose it ;)
[07:43] <Bicchi> does ubuntu come with a disk partitioning tool.
[07:44] <membreya> qpart
[07:44] <Bicchi> built into the installation that is
[07:44] <Bicchi> like mandrake
[07:44] <membreya> oh..no
[07:44] <farruinn> um, yes
[07:44] <farruinn> parted
[07:45] <membreya> that's what I meant farruinn :)
[07:45] <membreya> remember
[07:45] <membreya> <-- newbie
[07:45] <farruinn> oh, I see what you were saying, it's not like mandrakes?
[07:45] <membreya> after 5 years away from *nix I'm shocked I can remember ls
[07:46] <randabis> Bicchi, the ubuntu installer cannot resize partitions if that is what you are wanting
[07:46] <Bicchi> yes, thats what i meant.
[07:46] <randabis> it can create partitions though
[07:47] <randabis> you could just use a gentoo live cd or something and use parted
[07:47] <randabis> or knoppix and qtparted...pick zee poison
[07:47] <membreya> someone here *has* to be using tv out :P >:(
[07:47] <farruinn> I thought that parted was the paritioner on the ubuntu installer?
[07:48] <randabis> it probably is, but I have yet to find a way to resize with it
[07:48] <randabis> in the ubuntu installer anyway
[07:48] <membreya> cant you just use fdisk randabis ?
[07:48] <membreya> ie change the start and end cylinder
[07:48] <randabis> parted does the same thing
[07:48] <randabis> so yeah
[07:49] <membreya> :)
[07:49] <membreya> w00t
[07:49] <jason__> I've upgraded to Hoary but cannot find any kernels (kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 specifically needed by kernel-image-2.6-686).  I've replaced my sources.list (contains main, universe, multiverse, security all for hoary), ran apt-get update, but still don't see the kernel packages.. any clue?
[07:49] <duckdown> How can I get the VGA font for X? my terminals writing is TINY at 1600x1200
[07:49] <duckdown> imagine when i put it to 2048x1536
[07:50] <eyequeue> jason__:  try 2.6.10 in hoary?
[07:50] <membreya> jason__: did you try getting "headers"
[07:50] <membreya> do an apt-cache search
[07:50] <jason__> eyequeue: Don't see that one either..
[07:50] <hikaru79> I installed KDE and it came with about 60 or 70 games, and I don't need ANY of them, is there a nice easy way to get rid of them at once without manually uninstalling them seperatly?
[07:50] <cthulfuego> duckdown: Uh, just pick a new font for your terms OR run it in a resolution you can read.
[07:50] <jason__> membreya: I did an apt-cache search, just see the kernel-tree, no precompiled images (and only the wrapper for kernel-2.6-686)
[07:50] <eyequeue> jason__:  linux-image-2.6-10*
[07:50] <jason__> ohh
[07:50] <jason__> its linux-image?
[07:50] <mpq> I want more input
[07:51] <jason__> nm
[07:51] <jason__> gotcha.. thanks!
[07:51] <mpq> someone suggested using rubbing alcohol to get rid of the sharpie marks
[07:51] <mpq> do you think this would work?
[07:51] <duckdown> cthulfuego: How can I see what my selections are though.. I used to just add -fn vga to the end of my xterm command
[07:51] <tezza> how much mb's you guys reckon it will be to upgrade to hoary from warty?
[07:51] <eyequeue> jason__:  i think i found ubunto preferred s/kernel-/linux-/ as compared with debian
[07:51] <jason__> eyequeue: So is kernel-image being deprecated?  Or is this until hoary becomes final that its linux-image?
[07:51] <jason__> eyequeue: I see.. thanks!
[07:51] <Bicchi> when installing ubuntu, does it detects a windows partition and creates a boot option in lilo? This is for a dual boot option.
[07:51] <jason__> Bicchi, yup
[07:52] <jason__> Bicchi, did for me, grub found it and added it automatically
[07:52] <membreya> Bicchi: if you're running hoary :)
[07:52] <mlambie> does anyone know what command you use to delete a mailman list?
[07:52] <eyequeue> jason__:  i think the kernel- designation *might* refer to "not tweaked for ubuntu compatibility yet"
[07:52] <membreya> warty didnt
[07:52] <mlambie> i used "sudo newlist blah" to make a new list, and now i want to delete it
[07:52] <jason__> membreya, I just installed yesterday (Warty at first, then updated to Hoary through the sources.list) and it found my XP partition
[07:53] <membreya> warty ...or moreso its build of grub didn't automatically allocate windowsxp in the menu
[07:53] <membreya> but hoary did
[07:53] <jason__> hmm
[07:53] <cthulfuego> duckdown: Set a font via .Xdefaults or .Xresources, then merge 'em.
[07:53] <cthulfuego> duckdown: I have: UXTerm*VT100.faceName: monotype.com
[07:53] <mpq> should I upgrade to hoary?
[07:53] <membreya> cmon..doesn't ANYONE here venture as far as to use tv-out?
[07:53] <jason__> membreya, does it obtain the latest grub through net or does it come on the CD?
[07:54] <cthulfuego> membreya: If you need to ask: No.
[07:54] <cthulfuego> Eh, mpq too.
[07:54] <membreya> jason__: this was using it about a week and a half ago..installing it off an iso image
[07:54] <cthulfuego> membreya: TVs are shit for displaying desktops.
[07:54] <membreya> cthulfuego: but great for watching movies on
[07:54] <jason__> eyequeue, what exactly is the hoary-updates apt source for?  I've added it but I keep getting 404 not found errors..
[07:54] <membreya> th out on a desktop is good if you have a 100hz tv
[07:54] <membreya> th = tv
[07:54] <jason__> membreya,  oh okay, I downloaded the image yesterday and it seems to have an updated grub (or whatever needed to find XP)
[07:55] <eyequeue> jason__:  sorry, i'm not sure.  i imagine though it's for post-april usage, things updated since hoary was released
[07:55] <heliolit1> argh... i was just about to goto bed after installing the ATI video card driver on this Dell Optiplex I set up for my school classroom... but now Gnome won't start... I followed the directions here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713 which has worked in the past for me can anyone lend me a hand?  I need to revert what I did, but am unsure...
[07:55] <cthulfuego> membreya: Yes, so you burn your movies to DVD and watch 'em on the DVD player.
[07:55] <membreya> cthulfuego: i love using tv out to watch lost...up to episode 15 :)
[07:55] <jason__> eyequeue, i see..
[07:56] <membreya> cthulfuego: that's 30 mins of my time wasted ;)
[07:56] <cthulfuego> membreya: Tsssk.
[07:56] <membreya> ;)
[07:56] <jason__> I like how Ubuntu adds memtest86 automatically
[07:56] <membreya> all the people at work ask me what happens next in Lost :\
[07:57] <cthulfuego> membreya: Did you tell them they find a Minbari Colony?
[07:57] <membreya> haha :P
[07:57] <membreya> they think the polar bears are from a zoo :| I'm like wtf?!
[07:58] <membreya> episode 15 and I still don't know..there's only 23 eps in the first series
[07:58] <membreya> damn america hurry up and screen them
[07:58] <membreya> and stop taking hiatuses
[07:58] <membreya> errr spelling?
[07:58] <cthulfuego> You can at least fetch 16
[07:58] <membreya> 15 only screened this week cthulfuego :)
[07:58] <heliolit1>  1. sudo apt-get install linux-686
[07:58] <heliolit1>  2. sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver
[07:58] <heliolit1>  3. echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[07:58] <heliolit1>  4. sudo depmod -a ; sudo modprobe fglrx  5. sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:58] <heliolit1>  after rebooting gnome will NOT load...
[07:59] <heliolit1> help please
[07:59] <cthulfuego> membreya: Oh, whoops.. no. 15 is the latest.
[07:59] <cthulfuego> Though screening isn't a prerequisite for downloading.
[07:59] <heliolit1> didn't mean to spam channel with multiple lines, I'm just trying to get this system setup for tomorrow in a 2nd grade classroom... i just killed gnome )=
[08:00] <tezza> how much mb's you guys reckon it will be to upgrade to hoary from warty?
[08:00] <cthulfuego> tezza: Yes.
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> 379
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> without openoffixe tezza
[08:01] <tezza> ok cool
[08:01] <cthulfuego> tezza: In between 0 and 2GB, depending on if you actually installed any software,
[08:04] <membreya> anyone know how to mount a network drive at boot ?
[08:04] <membreya> I followed the "unofficial guide" however it errors out
[08:05] <julio> :-)
[08:05] <Xappe> good morning ppl
[08:06] <eskilo> anyone know of a crt hdtv that can act like a monitor?
[08:06] <eyequeue> membreya:  192.168.0.1:/path/to/mount /mountpoint nfs    rsize=8192,wsize=8192,intr,retry=5,soft 0 0
[08:06] <eskilo> i figure i'll just skip buying a new monitor and kill two birds with one stone.
[08:06] <eyequeue> membreya:  in /etc/fstab
[08:06] <julio> does $sudo lsmod usbcore, load that module?
[08:07] <eyequeue> julio:  insmod "inserts" it, lsmod "lists" it
[08:07] <julio> crap....'cause i'm wondering what's messing up my usb connection with my digital camera.
[08:07] <julio> it WAS working.
[08:07] <membreya> lol WAY different to what the guide has
[08:07] <membreya> it has //Wendys-PC/MP3s     /media/remotemp3s  smbfs    credentials=/root/.smbcredentials       0       0
[08:08] <eyequeue> membreya:  that seems to be some samba crap
[08:08] <devo> hi.  is the hoary hedgehog distro available as a beta .iso for download and testing?
[08:08] <devo> URL?
[08:08] <Xappe> devo, check topic
[08:08] <eyequeue> membreya:  what i posted was for a network fs
[08:08] <devo> xappe: thanks!
[08:08] <eyequeue> membreya:  compltely different protocols.  which did you need?
[08:09] <membreya> I have a share directory on the gf's computer so //192.168.0.4/MP3s and I want it to automount at startup
[08:09] <membreya> oh god.. I just about typed "at windows boot"
[08:09] <eyequeue> membreya:  "share" means what?
[08:10] <membreya> a shared directory
[08:10] <eyequeue> membreya:  is this using the Network File System?
[08:10] <eyequeue> membreya:  you mentioned windows, so perhaps it's not
[08:11] <eyequeue> membreya:  nfs is typically used to export from one *nix machine to another
[08:11] <membreya> it's using SMB
[08:12] <eyequeue> membreya:  okay, i've never touched any of that, no clue what to tell you other than point you to the docs you said didn't work
[08:12] <membreya> i can access it if I go to Places > Connect to Server...and select Windows Share
[08:12] <eyequeue> membreya:  for future reference though, it would probably save some confusion if specify when you mean ms-based things
[08:13] <membreya> sorry :(
[08:13] <duckdown> umm, i installed eterm through synaptic, but there is no eterm binary.. i did a find / |grep bin/eterm and nothing comes up
[08:13] <eyequeue> membreya:  not a problem, just that we were talking about two entirely different protocols :)
[08:13] <duckdown> that might be a broken download
[08:16] <eyequeue> membreya:  just looking at what you pasted, it seems to have some "credentials" in *root*'s home directory!  yet ubuntu doesn't typically use root ... could this be the problem?
[08:16] <zenrox> eyequeue,  nope
[08:16] <eyequeue> membreya:  again, i know nothing of smb
[08:17] <zenrox> my .crenditals is in root and it works great
[08:17] <fsc> hmm. how do i tell python which wxpython site-package to use? i'm having problems with a wrong version being imported and have multiple versions of wxPython
[08:17] <zenrox> membreya,  up case or lower case letters makes a difference
[08:17] <eyequeue> zenrox:  does his fstab line look correct to you?
[08:17] <zenrox> yes
[08:17] <zenrox> but id ues the ip is its a static network
[08:17] <membreya> I made sure everything is case sensitive zenrox :)
[08:18] <zenrox> dija make the dir for it to mount in
[08:19] <membreya> yup :)
[08:19] <membreya> and I can mount is as I said if I use the gnome interface
[08:19] <membreya> but if I go to console and type mount it's not there >:(
[08:19] <membreya> so I can't see what it's doing
[08:19] <zenrox> or do a sudo mount -a
[08:19] <zenrox> and type in your user password
[08:19] <membreya> ya doing a sudo mount -a anytime I change the fstab
[08:19] <zenrox> yep
[08:19] <membreya> and I disabled the password..it erks me
[08:20] <zenrox> that will mount or remount any thang in the fstab that is mountable
[08:20] <membreya> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on 192.168.0.4/MP3s,
[08:20] <membreya>        missing codepage or other error
[08:20] <membreya>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[08:20] <membreya>        dmesg | tail  or so
[08:20] <membreya> hmmmmm will take out mp3s
[08:20] <eyequeue> anything lacking a noauto, i believe
[08:21] <zenrox> /Wendys-PC/MP3s     /media/remotemp3s  smbfs    credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,defaults       0       0
[08:21] <alka_trash> I just switch to thunderbird for email
[08:21] <zenrox> err //Wendys-PC/MP3s     /media/remotemp3s  smbfs    credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,defaults       0       0
[08:21] <zenrox> or better yet read www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:21] <zenrox> that will tell you how to do it step by tep
[08:21] <zenrox> step
[08:22] <membreya> zenrox: that's where I got the info from ;)
[08:22] <membreya> and nope ..the defaults made no difference
[08:22] <zenrox> hmm
[08:23] <zenrox> hmm
[08:23] <zenrox> try putting in the ip that is assined to that pc
[08:24] <membreya> done ..IP...netbios name
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> no, try this.. make another share on her system with only text files or something with simple file names... then it might mount
[08:24] <eyequeue> is this double-slash syntax correct?
[08:25] <zenrox> yes
[08:25] <eyequeue> and if you change to by-ip, sould you remove the double-slash from the front?
[08:25] <nomasteryoda> reference to codepage errors ... looks like a non -usascii code error
[08:25] <zenrox> nomasteryoda,  that dont make any deference
[08:25] <nomasteryoda> ok
[08:25] <zenrox> membreya,  do you have smbfs installed
[08:26] <membreya> i can access it in gnome ;)
[08:26] <membreya> dmesg | tail gives me smbfs: mount_data version 1684370019 is not supported
[08:26] <eyequeue> zenrox:  he said it worked from gnome ??? which also implies to remote end is properly configured, which i'd wondered at one point
[08:26] <membreya> i hate me
[08:26] <membreya> i hate me i hate me i hate me
[08:26] <membreya> smbfs : command not found
[08:26] <zenrox> eyequeue,  gnome has a smbfs built in to it
[08:26] <eyequeue> ah
[08:26] <zenrox> cmd line needs smbfs
[08:27] <zenrox> or the mount clients
[08:27] <membreya> zenrox: i apologise for the trouble
[08:27] <membreya> sudo apt-get install smbfs fixed it
[08:27] <zenrox> on no its ok
[08:27] <zenrox> oh no
[08:27] <zenrox> lol
[08:27] <zenrox> easy as pie
[08:27] <nomasteryoda> wow
[08:27] <zenrox> its allways the last thang on the list
[08:27] <ryan_> are there any free virtual machine apps?
[08:27] <membreya> too many years of windows has made me "if the gui works then it must be fine" psychi
[08:27] <nomasteryoda> qemu
[08:27] <zenrox> lol
[08:28] <nomasteryoda> ryan_, qemu works pretty good ...
[08:28] <membreya> -e +e even
[08:28] <zenrox> membreya,  i had the smae prob
[08:28] <membreya> now to get tv out and I will delete windows
[08:28] <membreya> ...oh and after I convert my ntfs to fat so i can write it
[08:28] <zenrox> lol
[08:29] <membreya> back soon
[08:29] <nomasteryoda> qemu, you can download even ubuntu.img file and a ppc img
[08:29] <Xappe> hmm, can I use mounted isos as fake cd:s in cedega somehow?
[08:29] <zenrox> my next big project will be to get my second montor working on another nividia vid card
[08:29] <nomasteryoda> zenrox, nice
[08:29] <zenrox> ya
[08:29] <ryan_> qemu work well running winxp ?
[08:29] <nomasteryoda> i have one dualhead card at work
[08:29] <nomasteryoda> qemu, with enough ram
[08:29] <nomasteryoda> sure
[08:30] <nomasteryoda> i made one with xp
[08:30] <nomasteryoda> there are gui frontends there too
[08:30] <zenrox> my fx5200 pci has 2 outputs one svideo on dvi out
[08:30] <nomasteryoda> to make it similar to vmware
[08:30] <zenrox> other vid card = tnt2 one montor out
[08:31] <zenrox> can also use my onborrd vid for a 3 montor
[08:31] <nomasteryoda> qemu even works on windows
[08:31] <nomasteryoda> cool
[08:31] <zenrox> just got to edit the xorg.conf right
[08:31] <nomasteryoda> i got a nice 256mb nvidia dualhead for home
[08:31] <nomasteryoda> plays doom3 quite well
[08:31] <nomasteryoda> and bzflag
[08:31] <nomasteryoda> yup
[08:31] <nomasteryoda> and have the nvidia drivers..
[08:32] <zenrox> my pci fx5200 does realy well playing nwn gold + hotu
[08:32] <zenrox> and i have the nvidia drivers too
[08:32] <nomasteryoda> zenrox, good directions on the nvidia site
[08:32] <Xappe> how do I convert bin/cue pairs to .iso?
[08:32] <zenrox> i followed the ones on the wiki
[08:32] <zenrox> even easer
[08:32] <zenrox> bchunk
[08:32] <nomasteryoda> Xappe, download bin2iso
[08:33] <membreya> no go on tv out :'(
[08:33] <nomasteryoda> works well
[08:33] <zenrox> Xappe, bchunk
[08:33] <Xappe> nomasteryoda, thnx
[08:33] <nomasteryoda> np
[08:33] <Xappe> zenrox, thnx
[08:33] <Xappe> cause you can't mount bin/cue, right?
[08:34] <zenrox> membreya,  you got to edit your xserv config file to put to the tv out put port and add the tv as a montor
[08:34] <zenrox> and edit a few other thangs too
[08:34] <zenrox> membreya,  its a pain in the butt
[08:35] <membreya> can I send you my xorg.conf?
[08:35] <Cam-> can i get true transperancy on gnome 2.9.91 hoary with xorg + fglrx?
[08:36] <zenrox> membreya,  i havent even figured out mine yet
[08:36] <nomasteryoda> hey, i got me some nice stickers from linuxmall and covered my windows key.
[08:36] <nomasteryoda> love having tux there
[08:36] <zenrox> lol
[08:36] <zenrox> i just blacked mine out
[08:37] <nomasteryoda> zenrox, my lug site has a pretty good page on the nvidia config
[08:37] <nomasteryoda> mgalug.org
[08:37] <zenrox> ill check it out
[08:37] <nomasteryoda> look in the /books/suse
[08:37] <nomasteryoda> k
[08:37] <nomasteryoda> i use the full width as one screen
[08:38] <nomasteryoda> awes people at work who only use winders
[08:38] <nomasteryoda> esp the movies full screen like that
[08:38] <zenrox> i dont see it
[08:38] <nomasteryoda> ok let me find the link
[08:39] <membreya> nor I zenrox and I'm keen to get tv out ...windowz must die
[08:39] <membreya> I don't play games anymore..
[08:39] <nomasteryoda> http://mgalug.org/nvidia/howto
[08:39] <membreya> lol got an amd64 3200+ to crunch seti
[08:39] <nomasteryoda> i thought it was crossref'd in suse book , but guess not.. it's late
[08:40] <nomasteryoda> time to sleep.
[08:40] <zenrox> nite
[08:40] <nomasteryoda> nt
[08:40] <membreya> nite
[08:41] <Xappe> hmm, how can I mount an iso image so that cvscedega thinks it's a cd? is that possible at all?
[08:42] <nomasteryoda> zenrox, sry.. i guess that post was wiped... will have to do repost tomorrow
[08:42] <duckdown> synaptic installation of eterm or apt-get installing eterm does not work!
[08:43] <duckdown> it does everything supposedly error free
[08:43] <duckdown> but its nowhere to be found
[08:43] <spinifex> Oh yeah, someone wanted to know how my TabletPC (tmc302xmi) was working with ubuntu.  Well it's working great!  Pressure sensitive even
[08:43] <zenrox> ok
[08:44] <zenrox> ya that one was on how to install the drivers
[08:44] <spinifex> and it was pretty easy to set up too.  Hmm, haven't gotten the eraser to work right yet though
[08:44] <membreya> trying again :|
[08:49] <membreya> still no joy on tv out
[08:49] <membreya> hmmm maybe to pass the time I will go convert my NTFS...will come back crying if I lose anything (and no I can't backup, it's 90gb)
[08:52] <mebaran151> Anybody know anything about ALSA
[08:52] <mebaran151> my ALSA is being most confouding
[08:55] <mebaran151> anybody?
[08:58] <Cam-> does anyone know if you can get composite working with fglrx?
[09:00] <mebaran151> ALSA
[09:05] <eyequeue> i have sound myself
[09:05] <eyequeue> no
[09:06] <mebaran151> well
[09:06] <mebaran151> you ahve any idea
[09:12] <mebaran151> My Mixer and modules look fine
[09:12] <mebaran151> but my ALSA makes no sound
[09:12] <mebaran151> I have an emu10k1
[09:13] <mebaran151> and just installed from array 4
[09:13] <mebaran151> any ideas
[09:13] <eyequeue> no
[09:13] <mpq> is it a good idea to upgrade to hoary right now?
[09:15] <Neil3> i personally am going to wait till the final release
[09:15] <zenrox> i am all ready running it
[09:15] <zenrox> and dont have a prob
[09:16] <sanmarcos> where can I find a web repository like packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[09:17] <eyequeue> archive.ubuntu.org ?
[09:18] <Tsjoklat> mpq upgrading from warty to hoary is tricky.. it is that you know that
[09:18] <eyequeue> s/org/com/
[09:19] <sanmarcos> eyequeue: thanks
[09:20] <Neil3> what i am doing to get newer packages though is using the backports repository
[09:20] <Neil3> and so far so stable :)
[09:21] <mebaran151> ALSA
[09:21] <Tsjoklat> using backports will cause you a lot of grief when you finally do upgrade to Hoary Neil3
[09:21] <Tsjoklat> hey pitti :)
[09:22] <pitti> Tsjoklat: hi, how are you
[09:22] <Tsjoklat> pitti very well thanks.. and you?
[09:22] <pitti> fine, thanks
[09:23] <Tsjoklat> :)
[09:23] <Neil3> Tsjoklat, not for me ;) I'm going to be doing a clean install of hoary
[09:23] <rose> #Mandrake
[09:23] <Tsjoklat> Neil3, wise decision :)
[09:23] <Neil3> i always do it that way when a new version of the distro comes out
[09:23] <Neil3> just copy the home dir and boom
[09:24] <Tsjoklat> yes Neil3 but not many people know the dangers of using the backports rep.. should be a warning of some sort from Ubuntu's side I think
[09:24] <Neil3> ah
[09:24] <Neil3> those dangers are only concerned with upgrading to hoary though?
[09:24] <membreya> lol did a convert on my windows drive to make it FAT32...now it reads as only 24gb :|
[09:24] <Tsjoklat> Neil3, yes for as far I know of...
[09:25] <Neil3> ok
[09:25] <Neil3> because they seem to be fine in terms of how they are working and stability
[09:26] <Tsjoklat> Neil3, they work fine.. for warty but when one wants to upgrade to Hoary is when you can stumble on problems... I also find that upgrading from warty is not a very good process
[09:26] <Neil3> hit and miss with any distro as far as i can tell
[09:26] <Tsjoklat> for some odd reason a dist-upgrade does not install ubuntu-base nor ubuntu-desktop
[09:26] <Neil3> from my experience with fedora i just see a lot of people having problems in the forums with it
[09:27] <Tsjoklat> which is in my opinion essential
[09:27] <Neil3> hmm
[09:27] <Neil3> well
[09:27] <Tsjoklat> I tried four upgrades.. neither one did that.. had to do it manually.. luckily I know what to install but many don't.. I really hope Ubuntu picks up on this
[09:27] <Neil3> that might be because someone would have modified their install and removed some packages in that group
[09:28] <Tsjoklat> Neil3, no two of the machines were clean warty installs with nothing added/changed with a dist-upgrade
[09:28] <Neil3> i'm sure they will address it, after all, hoary is beta :)
[09:28] <Tsjoklat> Neil3, I know it is beta but nothing is mentioned on the wike/forums about it when they talk about upgrading from warty to hoary.. a big mis
[09:29] <Neil3> ah
[09:30] <Tsjoklat> but Hoary have been behaving good :)
[09:30] <mebaran151> my Hoary wont let my ALSA work
[09:30] <mebaran151> Array 4 AMD64
[09:30] <mebaran151> it fixed Evolution
[09:30] <mebaran151> but killed ALSA
[09:30] <mebaran151> I dont have any luck
[09:30] <Tsjoklat> my alsa config has vanished on hoary mebaran151
[09:30] <mebaran151> alsa config?
[09:30] <mebaran151> do you get sound
[09:30] <mebaran151> ?
[09:31] <Neil3> i had interesting alsa things going on in warty but thats more to do with the crappy ac97 on board sound i have
[09:31] <Tsjoklat> yes mebaran151 the file that comes with alsa-utils.. it is still on the rig but can't be called with alsaconf
[09:31] <Tsjoklat> mebaran151, I do have sound... apparently you have to get polyaudio.. it is something that Ubu is going/is using right now
[09:31] <Neil3> oh yes
[09:31] <Neil3> polypaudio
[09:31] <Neil3> its a replacement for esd
[09:32] <Neil3> as esd completely sucks
[09:32] <Tsjoklat> not very clear for me... ppl say they get it when they do hoary but again, from warty to hoary it doesn't happen.. or it didn't for me
[09:32] <Tsjoklat> so far the only snag has been libgnome2-perl
[09:32] <Tsjoklat> for me
[09:32] <Xappe> ok now I have a question. I want to mount an .iso somewhere without having root access...what should I do to make this happen? mount -o loop isofile mountpoint give an mount: only root can do that
[09:33] <Tsjoklat> Xappe, ubuntuguide.org
[09:33] <mebaran151> I put on polypaudio
[09:33] <Tsjoklat> Xappe, is explained there
[09:33] <mebaran151> how do I configure it then
[09:33] <Xappe> Tsjoklat, ok
[09:33] <Tsjoklat> mebaran151, you might want to see if something is posted on the wiki/forum.. I haven't touched it myself yet
[09:34] <mebaran151> I dont think that is the problem though
[09:34] <mebaran151> I did a little experiment
[09:35] <mebaran151> on an older install where i totally destroyed alsa by hand
[09:35] <mebaran151> OSS works fine
[09:35] <mebaran151> it seems the alsamixer wont raise the volume right
[09:35] <Xappe> Tsjoklat, hmm, no? the guide mount with root access (sudo)
[09:35] <mebaran151> how do I search the wiki
[09:35] <lifeless> fabbione: ping
[09:36] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  there is a search box at the top of the page
[09:36] <Tsjoklat> Xappe, it is in the guide..
[09:36] <fabbione> lifeless: pong
[09:36] <lifeless> fabbione: I'm trying to build a custom kernel with fuse as a module..
[09:37] <lifeless> on boot, it fails to mount the root fs.
[09:37] <mebaran151> eyeque
[09:37] <mebaran151> haha
[09:37] <mebaran151> I am so stupid
[09:37] <FourFingeredFred> heyyoo
[09:37] <fabbione> lifeless: your initrd is not good
[09:37] <lifeless> fabbione: who is now ?
[09:37] <alka_trash> sorry to interrupt but check out this deal! http://www.buy.com//retail/product.asp?sku=10360126&dcaid=1688
[09:37] <fabbione> lifeless: did you do a custom config?
[09:37] <lifeless> fabbione: well, it looked good to me, I was thinking a missing cramfs patch.
[09:37] <fabbione> lifeless: or even better.. why don't you just build the fuse module?
[09:37] <alka_trash> not too shabby
[09:37] <lifeless> copied the 2.6.10-2-686 config to .config
[09:38] <lifeless> the fuse module, fails to load when built standalone
[09:38] <fabbione> lifeless: with what error?
[09:38] <fabbione> lifeless: btw we are up to 2.6.10-3-686
[09:39] <lifeless> fabbione: I'll update and try with -3-
[09:39] <fabbione> lifeless: if you can tell the source where you grab the fuse stuff i can check it for you
[09:39] <mebaran151> nothing there
[09:39] <lifeless> fabbione: aptitude install fuse-source
[09:39] <lifeless> fabbione: and thanks!
[09:40] <lifeless> btw, who is the maintainer I should be asking ? (I've done plenty of make-kpkg kernels before, this was mystifying me, which is why I'm seeking help :"))
[09:41] <mebaran151> anybody ele having ALSA problems
[09:42] <fabbione> *** Warning: "vfs_permission" [/usr/src/wartydevel/kernel/misc/modules/fuse/kernel/fuse.ko]  undefined!
[09:42] <fabbione> lifeless: this is the problem
[09:42] <fabbione> the maintainers are lamont, zul, T-bone + others.. as in the wiki pages
[09:42] <lifeless> ok.
[09:43] <lifeless> so, lamont - any chance of getting fuse in our standard kernel? I hear its in the mm tree...
[09:43] <fabbione> lifeless: the module will fail even if compiled in
[09:43] <fabbione> it's a missing symbol
[09:43] <fabbione> but i am checking if it is easy to patch
[09:44] <tweek_> is there a default place for .run files to extract and isntall?
[09:44] <tweek_> install*
[09:44] <eyequeue> tweek_:  ls /var/run/
[09:45] <tweek_> ok
[09:45] <tweek_> thankyou
[09:45] <tweek_> is there a must read section so i dont have to come and bother everyone?
[09:46] <zenrox> ya www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:46] <tweek_> ok
[09:46] <eyequeue> tweek_:  first, is that what you needed?  and for your second question, see the /topic for some urls
[09:47] <tweek_> no i dont think so,i needed to find out hwere it extracted to to run it etc.
[09:47] <zenrox> first off what was the run file
[09:47] <eyequeue> tweek_:  what is it you want to run?
[09:47] <tweek_> postal2_demo.run
[09:48] <zenrox> it saved it at /usr/local/games
[09:48] <eyequeue> tweek_:  'file postal2_demo.run' and tell us the output
[09:48] <tweek_> in #flood
[09:48] <zenrox> yes
[09:48] <tweek_> one sec
[09:49] <tweek_> @zenrox it isnt in /usr/local/games :(
[09:49] <zenrox> dija run in as your user or root
[09:49] <eyequeue> tweek_:  '/usr/bin/al2_demo.run' and tell us the output
[09:50] <eyequeue> eek
[09:50] <tweek_> k
[09:50] <eyequeue> tweek_:  '/usr/bin/file postal2_demo.run' and tell us the output
[09:50] <eyequeue> "what is this thing?"
[09:51] <FourFingeredFred> anyone know how to set up wireless with ndiswrapper?
[09:51] <zenrox> FourFingeredFred,  look in the wiki section on ubuntu's webpage
[09:51] <tweek_> postal2_demo.run: Bourne shell script text executable
[09:52] <zenrox> tweek_,  and you run it like ./postal2_demo.run
[09:52] <FourFingeredFred> i have checked that out but im still not getting it to work
[09:52] <eyequeue> tweek_:  if you trust it, then: "sh ./postal2_demo.run"
[09:52] <tweek_> well i know how torun that file, but i dont know how to play it once it starts
[09:53] <tweek_> i have no clue where to start it from
[09:53] <zenrox> if you ran it as root then its in /usr/local/bin
[09:53] <eyequeue> i would not recommend running as root
[09:53] <zenrox> if you ran in as your user then its in /home/your_user_name/bin
[09:54] <tweek_> ok
[09:54] <tweek_> i think when i learn more linux :)
[09:54] <tweek_> im going to make stfulinux for the nub <3
[09:54] <qbert128> Does anyone know if Ubuntu amd64 is supposed to support Radeon Xpress 200 integrated gfx chip?
[09:56] <Fordfan753> hi everyone...id like a little help if possible
[09:56] <tweek_>  /usr/local/bin and /home/tweek/bin do not have anything related to postal2
[09:56] <tweek_> actualy /home/tweek/bin isnt there
[09:57] <Fordfan753> i just compiled latest version of fluxbox from source...but gdm doesnt load it as a session option on login..any ideas?
[09:57] <eyequeue> tweek_:  if you like, 'mkdir /home/tweek/bin && sh ./postal2_demo.bin'
[09:57] <tweek_> ok
[09:58] <eyequeue> tweek_:  if you like, 'mkdir /home/tweek/bin && sh ./postal2_demo.run' rather
[09:59] <tweek_> ok, "./postal2_demo.run" does this search for and execute anything named postal2_demo.run?
[09:59] <eyequeue> but do read throuigh this script to be sure you trust it before blindly running it
[09:59] <tweek_> i trust it,its a demo for a game
[10:00] <Agrajag> no, ./postal2_demo.run runs a program in the current directory with that name, if and only if it has executable permissions set
[10:00] <eyequeue> tweek_:  'sh ./postal2_demo.run" means "run the shell at /bin/sh on the file in the current directory named postal2_demo.run"
[10:00] <tweek_> ok.
[10:01] <tweek_> i really wish it came with a readme :(
[10:01] <tweek_> im posting output in #flood
[10:01] <eyequeue> i think they presume you will read the script with any text file viewer, such as "less postal2_demo.run" (it's only a shell script, so it's plain text)
[10:02] <eyequeue> join #flood
[10:02] <tweek_> plain text as in source?
[10:02] <Shookaa> www.peoplesprimary.com/FreedomIsntFree
[10:02] <eyequeue> it's a bash script, it's just letters and numbers and whitspace, basically
[10:02] <tweek_> ah
[10:04] <eyequeue> does it do what you expect?
[10:04] <tweek_> i dont know what to expect,im guessing its the equall to a installer for windows
[10:05] <Fordfan753> does anyone use or know how to configure fluxbox so it works through gdm?
[10:05] <eyequeue> i have no experience with installers for windows, sorry
[10:05] <tweek_> argh =(
[10:05] <fabbione> lifeless: around?
[10:06] <lifeless> yes
[10:06] <tweek_> eyequeue: im hopeing it will put the files needed for me to play postal2 in the correct spots
[10:06] <fabbione> lifeless: the kernel is ok. the fuse code is old. this patch will make it compile and load properly: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione/fuse.diff
[10:06] <tweek_> but im guessing it wont
[10:06] <eyequeue> just be careful you're not executing something you don't understand, some trojan
[10:06] <fabbione> lifeless: but i need you to test if it will work properly afterwards
[10:07] <lifeless> fabbione: you rock. I"ll play with it tongiht I hope.
[10:07] <eyequeue> that's why i was ecouraging you to rea the script before running it
[10:07] <tweek_> ok il read it
[10:07] <fabbione> lifeless: ok
[10:09] <lifeless> (here in London on a sprint... busy :))
[10:09] <fabbione> lifeless: ENOPROB
[10:09] <fabbione> i just want to know if it works
[10:09] <fabbione> so that i can upload the fixed code
[10:12] <Tsjoklat> sprinting in London is highly dangerous
[10:12] <eyequeue> all the surveillance cameras?
[10:13] <lifeless> ok.
[10:15] <Tsjoklat> night all.. be good
[10:17] <Adrenal> is it possible to get ubuntu on an xbox?
[10:17] <sanmarcos> Adrenal: with work, yes, but why?
[10:17] <Adrenal> friend was wondering
[10:17] <Adrenal> computer person myself
[10:18] <Adrenal> but its either this or debian, or fedora, gentoo or stuff
[10:18] <Adrenal> i'm recommending this cos of the nice userbase(yes, i mean you guys) and ease of use
[10:20] <sanmarcos> still, if you want ease of use, you wouldnt try to install linux on an xbox
[10:20] <sanmarcos> see the linux on the xbox project
[10:22] <Adrenal> i know, not easy
[10:22] <Adrenal> he's prob getting a new comp anyway
[10:22] <Adrenal> just wanted to know if it could be done
[10:22] <sanmarcos> I run Ubuntu on a P3 500 with 190 ram, and 11 gb hard disk perfectly
[10:22] <sanmarcos> it works amazing
[10:23] <sanmarcos> ly
[10:23] <Adrenal> yeh, pretty lite, espiecally with xfce
[10:23] <sanmarcos> nope, I use gnome
[10:23] <sanmarcos> and it works fine
[10:23] <sanmarcos> that is my server
[10:24] <sanmarcos> I run debian sid on my box
[10:24] <Adrenal> awesomerific
[10:24] <sanmarcos> gnome applets are a memory hog..
[10:24] <Adrenal> yeh
[10:24] <Adrenal> panel is fair big, but worth it
[10:26] <blackomegax> does anyone have a CLUE how to get the ipw2200 1.0.1 drivers up and running?
[10:26] <blackomegax> they refuse to build at all
[10:26] <Adrenal> no, we've been researching but...its not pretty
[10:27] <Adrenal> lost 5 men already
[10:27] <Adrenal> BUT DAMMITALL IF WE WANT GET THEM INSTALLED
[10:27] <sanmarcos> I did that long ago on a friends laptop
[10:27] <blackomegax> is there a trick to using "make"?
[10:28] <sanmarcos> what error are you getitng?
[10:28] <eyequeue> blackomegax:  if you edit the Makefile, the leading whitespace on a line has to be a tab, not spaces
[10:29] <blackomegax>  # make
[10:29] <blackomegax> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build SUBDIRS=/home/blackomegax/Desktop/ipw2200-1.0.1 MODVERDIR=/home/blackomegax/Desktop/ipw2200-1.0.1 modules
[10:29] <blackomegax> make[1] : Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build'
[10:29] <blackomegax> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop.
[10:29] <blackomegax> make[1] : Leaving directory `/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build'
[10:29] <eyequeue> that's the only trick i can think of
[10:29] <blackomegax> make: *** [modules]  Error 2
[10:32] <tezza> smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000) <-- anyway to fix this?
[10:33] <eyequeue> do you trust it suid root?
[10:33] <FourFingeredFred> when i do ndiswrapper -l i get: net8180 invalid driver! although ive tried both the driver from the cd and the driver off the ndiswrapper listing
[10:34] <blackomegax> is there an easy way to upgrade to hoary?
[10:35] <eyequeue> tezza:  if so, sudo chmod u+s /usr/bin/smbmnt (or whatever the path is for it)
[10:35] <randabis> define "easy"
[10:35] <pybe> blackomegax: change all refs to warty in /etc/apt/sources.list to hoary
[10:36] <blackomegax> and then run apt-get?
[10:36] <pybe> blackomegax: then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:36] <blackomegax> wont dist-upgrade break it?
[10:36] <pybe> blackomegax: worked for me
[10:36] <blackomegax> is hoary stable as is?
[10:36] <eyequeue> and then wait for april before running that command, hoping the bugs will be ironed out by then :)
[10:36] <[sys] > you need dist-upgrade when upgrading to a new distribution
[10:36] <randabis> define "stable"
[10:36] <blackomegax> stable as in winxp stable ;)
[10:37] <eyequeue> blackomegax:  many have complained just tonight even about how rocky the upgrade path is
[10:37] <[sys] > randabis: define "define"
[10:37] <randabis> uhh...
[10:37] <pybe> blackomegax: if you want a stable system wait until its released
[10:37] <randabis> I wouldn't call xp stable lol
[10:37] <pybe> blackomegax: but it works really well for me
[10:37] <blackomegax> xp isnt stable..thats what i mean
[10:37] <pybe> blackomegax: but you will need to update alot to get the fixes as they are released
[10:37] <blackomegax> as long as it works generally well with a few minor quirks that will be patched out
[10:38] <randabis> [sys] ,  To state the precise meaning of (a word or sense of a word, for example).
[10:38] <eyequeue> stable means unchanging
[10:38] <randabis> right
[10:38] <blackomegax> i mean it by uncrashing :)
[10:38] <Jelte> hi there... i'm installing Ubuntu next to winxp, but during the base install it fails on telnet...  console 3 shows "No matching physical volumes found"  then some write errors.. anybody seen this before? I've installed ubuntu fine before, but then on the primary partition, not the second one...
[10:38] <randabis> blackomegax, then hoary is stable
[10:39] <ferris> jelte, install debian
[10:39] <randabis> in eyequeue's defiinition, hoary is unstable
[10:39] <Jelte> ferris, uh... but i quite like ubuntu ;-)
[10:39] <blackomegax> yeah. i dont really care about constant patches as long as its up to date on the software end
[10:39] <eyequeue> in that it is not suitable for housing horses ;)
[10:39] <randabis> :p
[10:40] <pybe> blackomegax: are you looking for an item specificaly?
[10:40] <ferris> jelte, i was running it... but it was really slow ..... debian is way faster.... (not that ubuntu is bad, it is quite nice)
[10:40] <blackomegax> just better support for my laptop's wireless (ipw2200)
[10:41] <Jelte> does ubuntu allow for a network install?
[10:41] <Jelte> rather than from cd?
[10:41] <pybe> Jelte: yes
[10:41] <Jelte> pybe: how do i do that?
[10:41] <eyequeue> i wonder if blackomegax is actually interesting in backports.ubuntuforums.org ?
[10:41] <pybe> Jelte: get the netinstall kernel and boot it
[10:41] <blackomegax> hmm?
[10:41] <eyequeue> s/ing/ed/
[10:42] <tuppa_> hrm
[10:42] <eyequeue> blackomegax:  pacakges backported from hoary, but compatible with warty
[10:42] <tuppa_> it is possible to run every X programs with 75dpi fonts?
[10:42] <blackomegax> cool. ill look at it
[10:42] <tuppa_> apart from changing it in GNOME?
[10:42] <Jelte> pybe: thanks... should i be able to find a netinstall kernel image on ubuntu's site?
[10:43] <pybe> Jelte: trying to find where I got it from
[10:44] <[sys] > randabis: makin joke
[10:44] <[sys] > is the universe-repository safe to use? I know it's not supported, but is it stable?
[10:44] <ferris> jelte, the biggest reason i left ubuntu, is that it would not run gnomesword.... so i wonder what other progs it will not run
[10:44] <randabis> most things in universe work fine
[10:44] <ferris> sys, i used it when i ran ubuntu
[10:45] <Jelte> ferris: well i used ubuntu for quite some time without problems.. loved it... only reason i have to re-install it, was XP needed to go on the first partition
[10:45] <pybe> Jelte: I think I might gave got it off the cd
[10:45] <randabis> that are only nonsupported because they don't receive the security updates that are received by packages in supported repos
[10:45] <Jelte> pybe: how d'you do that? ;-)
[10:46] <ferris> jelte, i would have liked to have kept it, but it would not run some of the progs that i needed, but Debian runs them easily
[10:46] <ferris> over all Ubuntu is great
[10:46] <ferris> (I have a couple hundred cds, to give out)
[10:46] <Jelte> ferris, i see
[10:47] <randabis> ...
[10:47] <randabis> why did you order that many cds...
[10:48] <pybe> Jelte: I cant even find my cd now....
[10:48] <eyequeue> order? or burn perhaps?
[10:48] <FourFingeredFred> when i do ndiswrapper -l i get: net8180 invalid driver! although ive tried both the driver from the cd and the driver off the ndiswrapper listing
[10:48] <ferris> let's just say me and M$ just don't get along  :^}
[10:48] <Jelte> pybe: hehe... but did you end up with a debian system, or ubuntu?
[10:48] <randabis> that's not the point
[10:48] <pybe> Jelte: Ubuntu
[10:48] <Jelte> pybe: hmm interesting
[10:49] <ferris> i am using Debian
[10:49] <randabis> there are people out there that are struggling to get their ubuntu cds because of people ordering 200 cds for no good reason
[10:49] <ferris> I have a very good reason...
[10:49] <randabis> "I hate ms" is not a good reason
[10:49] <pybe> Jelte: I have no cd rom in my laptop so I ended up booting the net install kernel from my existing Fedora grub and it installed a full warty system
[10:50] <ferris> that is not the reason...
[10:50] <Jelte> pybe... dont s'pose you have a wee bit more detail on how to achieve that? ;-)
[10:50] <eyequeue> if i didn't have good connectivity, i'd order one set, then use it to burn many evangelical cpoies from
[10:51] <randabis> unless you are a distributor, I don't see any reason for needing that many cds
[10:51] <Amaranth> 200 is a bit much
[10:51] <eyequeue> i used to do isntallfests, it's handy to give them to cd to take home afterward
[10:52] <Amaranth> i ordered 25 to hand out to people at the local LUG. 15 x86, 5 ppc, 5 AMD64
[10:52] <randabis> that's acceptable
[10:52] <eyequeue> but i haven't done installfests since ubuntu though
[10:52] <randabis> 200 is wasteful and costs others to have to wait for their cds longer because you're hogging them all
[10:52] <pybe> Jelte: I got the net install kernel (still trying to find where), booted my existing fedora install on the laptop. manualy edited /boot/grub/menu.lst to have an entry for the ubuntu net install kernel I had downloaded, rebooted and away whent the net install
[10:52] <Amaranth> i wish i'd gotten one of those display boxes though :)
[10:53] <id_ID> everybody, any body help me ??
[10:53] <id_ID> i have download some site with wget
[10:54] <Jelte> pybe: ah, the netinstall kernel will continue to install once its booted?
[10:54] <id_ID> how to continue wget without start from beginning...??
[10:54] <pybe> Jelte: ?
[10:54] <ferris> randabis, i am distributing them
[10:55] <randabis> ferris, obviously not very well if you still have hundreds laying around
[10:55] <ferris> randabis, i recieved the shipment not long ago
[10:55] <Amaranth> Jelte: basically it'll install a minimal system (how it works with debian) but from there you can run apt-get install ubuntu-desktop to get all the ubuntu goodness setup for you
[10:56] <Jelte> pybe, never mind; i'm babbling ;-)   if you find out where that netinstall was that would be good... in the mean time it looks like a problem others have as well:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10423&page=2&pp=10
[10:57] <randabis> in what method are you distributing? are you setting up a shop or something? If you truly have a legitimate use for 200 cds that's perfectly fine by me. I just know of quite a few people out there that did the same thing for no good reason
[10:57] <ferris> oh, yeah, that sux. ... I have a shop
[10:57] <fsc> wxPython is looking great in Hoary...finally gtk+2.x..woot
[10:57] <randabis> okay then :)
[10:57] <randabis> sorry for wringing your neck
[10:57] <ferris> i am going to distribute off of my site as well
[10:57] <ferris> lol
[10:57] <ferris> np
[10:58] <ferris> i totally hear you
[10:59] <pybe> Jelte: so you have an existing linux install?
[11:00] <pybe> Jelte: here you go found it ftp://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[11:02] <Jelte> pybe: excellent, thanks... no i dont have an existing linux install at the moment ;-(   i only have winxp on the first partition, and trying to get ubuntu on the second
[11:02] <spinifex> how do I swap window managers without completely restarting?
[11:02] <pybe> spinifex: log out
[11:02] <randabis> log out, click session, choose your destiny
[11:14] <Jelte> pybe: looks like i might have fixed the install problem....  using just one partition and making sure the ubuntu installer formats that partition prior to install seems to work (fingers crossed, just at 60% now)
[11:15] <pybe> Jelte: great
[11:15] <Jelte> if it works, i'll post up a (nother) reply to that thread... think ubuntu might want to change the error message, as it seems wrong (suggesting the cd is at fault)
[11:17] <Jelte> yep, that fixed it... going to redo it now putting /home on another partition, but thanks for the link to the netinstall
[11:24] <Jelte> see ya later
[11:25] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hi
[11:31] <johns_> *hehe* one of my windows lusers tried ubuntu and wants it at home ;)
[11:47] <vanston> hello, I would like to know how I can build my own ubuntu live CD. Is there an howto somewhere?
[11:49] <Jimbob> vanston: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo
[11:49] <CaRiBoO> use jigdo it's easy
[11:49] <jdub> jigdo is unrelated to livecd building
[11:50] <CaRiBoO> oh sorry, I read CD, not liveCD ...
[12:04] <[dEvIL-bOy] > hello
[12:04] <[dEvIL-bOy] > what website can i have a look to see if my laptop i supported
[12:08] <funto> hi people...
[12:13] <odyssey> hello funto
[12:13] <funto> hello
[12:14] <funto> 'va bien?
[12:14] <funto> oups
[12:14] <funto> sorry I thought it was french
[12:15] <funto> does someone know how I could update my Firefox to 1.0 thanks to apt-get or Synaptic?
[12:15] <funto> (under Ubuntu of course )
[12:15] <odyssey> funto, you are using warty?
[12:15] <siimo> funto: check warty-backports
[12:17] <funto> yep Warty
[12:17] <funto> because Hoary doesn't want to install (it fails when it tries to install GRUB)
[12:18] <siimo> funto: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[12:19] <funto> thx I look at that :)
[12:20] <Kuril> I had similar issues with Hoary.  I ended up using Knoppix, mounting the hoary root partition, and running grub manually.
[12:20] <Kuril> With the same options, no less, besides telling it where the images are...
[12:20] <Kuril> beats me.
[12:23] <funto> yep but I don't know how to run GRUB manually from Knoppix ^
[12:23] <Xappe> funto, if you already have warty and WANT to run Hoary, why not dist-upgrade
[12:23] <Xappe> ?
[12:23] <funto> but when Hoary is out, I will be able to update my Warty to this non?
[12:24] <AndyFitz> any hoary / ipod users here  ?
[12:25] <nicolai_> hey.. wich games are good and free for ubuntu ?
[12:25] <AndyFitz> I just got one and I'm wondering what is the best way to set this up
[12:25] <AndyFitz> nicolai,    foobilliard,  abuse, crack-attack
[12:26] <nicolai_> are they in 3d ?
[12:26] <nicolai_> i have tried tuxracer and neverball
[12:26] <AndyFitz> yeah but abuse isnt
[12:26] <funto> foobillard
[12:26] <AndyFitz> and yeah neverball is sweet
[12:27] <odyssey> AndyFitz, yes ipod
[12:27] <nicolai_> okay i will try those
[12:27] <nicolai_> thx
[12:27] <funto> but you need to install the nVidia drivers if you have an nVidia card first
[12:27] <AndyFitz> odyssey,  how did you set it up.  I keep getting errors with gtkpod
[12:27] <funto> otherwise you won't have hardware acceleration
[12:28] <AndyFitz> I've already run and updated it on a mates windows machine with itunes.
[12:30] <odyssey> AndyFitz, hal automounts it all you have to do is change the mount point in the prefrences to what is mounted as.
[12:31] <odyssey> AndyFitz, if you put music on using gtkpod dont plug it into itunes again, apparently it deletes all the songs that it didnt put on
[12:32] <AndyFitz> odyssey, yeah I've heard.  theres no risk ill be going near itunes :)
[12:32] <AndyFitz> odyssey,  I can see it in the hal device manager.  but not where it is mounted... its not in /media  or /mnt
[12:34] <odyssey> is there an icon of it on your desktop?
[12:34] <AndyFitz> odyssey,  nope  I'm using hoary btw
[12:35] <loxodonta> Can anyone help me with getting an audio composer of some kind?
[12:36] <AndyFitz> loxodonta,  rosegarden4  and soundtracker are good
[12:36] <loxodonta> Thanks a lot, I'll check them out :)
[12:37] <AndyFitz> make sure its rosegarden4 .. the earlier versions  arent quite good at all
[12:37] <loxodonta> Will do
[12:38] <odyssey> hmmm i just plugged it in and hal automounts.. im using warty though.
[12:38] <scoon> odyssey, iPod ?
[12:38] <bborkk> I'm running Hoary and everything seems to be working fine except that movies don't play with sound.  When I was running Warty, this wasn't a problem.  Any suggestions?
[12:38] <pepsi> why does gksudo lock up X when its asking for a password?  if you accidently do something that makes multiple instances of gksudo start up, after cancelling one of the password windows, the screen doesnt refresh because another gksudo is asking for a password, but you cant really tell since its just an undrawn space on the screen
[12:39] <pepsi> so it makes it look like you're screwed
[12:39] <odyssey> scoon, yes
[12:55] <CaRiBoO> I all !
[12:57] <CaRiBoO> There is new to mirroir French ubuntu:  ftp://ftp.oleane.net/pub/ubuntu
[12:57] <IRCMonkey_> can any one help? i want to install my modem D-link dfm-560e. where can i find a driver for it?
[01:00] <minghua> I just got the mail about Ubuntu love day
[01:00] <Guybrush|Numb> ?
[01:01] <minghua> but where is this supposed to happen?  Is there a IRC channel or something?
[01:01] <minghua> Guybrush: a mail sent to ubuntu-announce
[01:01] <jdub> minghua: see the second email
[01:01] <Guybrush|Numb> minghua: thanks, i should subscribe :)
[01:02] <ups> jdub: forgot to mention freenode?
[01:02] <IRCMonkey_> Help me please! iwant to find the driver for D-link dfm 560e.
[01:02] <minghua> jdub: so you spent too much time on poems. :-)  Thanks.
[01:02] <jdub> ups: oh well :)
[01:02] <ups> :)
[01:02] <ups> jdub: you're overwhelmed with love ;)
[01:03] <funto> re
[01:04] <funto> does somebody know how to mount FAT32 partitions under Ubuntu?
[01:04] <pybe> mount -t vfat /dev/blah /mnt/blah
[01:04] <minghua> funto: sudo mount -t fat <partition> <mount-point>
[01:04] <funto> mount: fs type fat32 not supported by kernel
[01:05] <funto> mount: fs type fat not supported by kernel
[01:05] <pybe> heh
[01:05] <minghua> funto: for more options read the man page of mount
[01:05] <minghua> hmm
[01:05] <ups> funto: use vfat ;)
[01:05] <funto> I try vfat
[01:05] <funto> hmm
[01:05] <funto> curious
[01:05] <funto> when I put vfat, mount accepts
[01:05] <funto> no error message
[01:06] <minghua> funto: my bad, should be vfat
[01:06] <pybe> thats because vfat = fat32 fat = fat16
[01:06] <funto> but when I browse the new directory, the files and the folders are the same
[01:07] <minghua> pybe: I think fat16 is msdos not fat
[01:07] <pybe> whatever vfat = fat32
[01:07] <funto> ok
[01:07] <funto> should I recompile the kernel (:S) ?
[01:08] <minghua> funto: what do you mean by ``the same''?  same icon?
[01:08] <pybe> IIRC you souldnt even need to tell mount the fstype it should be able to work it out itself
[01:08] <funto> same icons yes
[01:08] <funto> they all are considered as files
[01:08] <funto> even the folders
[01:08] <funto> and the type is unknown
[01:08] <pybe> funto: thats a rights issue
[01:08] <minghua> ah, i think i see
[01:08] <minghua> try mount -t vfat -o uid=<your-username>
[01:09] <funto> ok
[01:09] <funto> I run this as funto or as root?
[01:09] <minghua> umount it first
[01:09] <minghua> run as sudo
[01:09] <funto> ok
[01:09] <id_ID> quit
[01:09] <minghua> sudo mount -t vfat -u uid=funto <partition> <mount-point>
[01:10] <funto> it tells me that the option -u is invalid :(
[01:11] <funto> should I upgrade my mount?
[01:12] <minghua> ah, typo again
[01:12] <minghua> should be -o
[01:12] <minghua> for option.  Sorry
[01:13] <funto> ok
[01:14] <funto> doesn't work either :(
[01:14] <funto> it just prints me the usage
[01:15] <pybe> funto: paste the exact line you typed here
[01:15] <lupusBE> what library in gnome will read the .desktop files?
[01:15] <lupusBE> what is in them I mean
[01:15] <funto> funto@home:~ $ sudo mount -t vfat -o uid=funto
[01:15] <pybe> funto: what about the device and mount point?
[01:16] <pybe> sudo mount -t vfat -o uid=funto /dev/???? /mnt/????
[01:16] <funto> .....
[01:16] <funto> I'm stupid
[01:16] <funto> :D
[01:16] <funto> sorry
[01:17] <funto> yeaaaaah
[01:17] <funto> works
[01:17] <funto> thanks a lot :):)
[01:18] <funto> but I still haven't really understood...
[01:18] <funto> the uid is the person I mount the disk for?
[01:19] <minghua> funto: the problem is that fat32 doesn't really have a permission system
[01:19] <minghua> the filesystem doesn't have a concept of ``owner''
[01:19] <pybe> "sudo mount" tells it to run mount as root "-t vfat" tells mount the partition is going to be fat32 "-o uid=funto" tells mount to set funto as the owner "/dev/????" device to mount "/mnt/????" where to mount the device
[01:20] <minghua> so when you mount it, the owner is the one who mount it by default
[01:20] <funto> okay :)
[01:20] <funto> thx
[01:20] <minghua> and since you use ``sudo'', it belong to root
[01:21] <minghua> if you need to let other users use it, you should use the umask= option
[01:21] <minghua> or dmask= and fmask=
[01:21] <minghua> as I said, read the man page of mount, very useful
[01:22] <netdur> I'm trying to remove OOo, it says will remove ubuntu-desktop too, it is safe to remove?
[01:23] <pybe> netdur: yes its just a meta package
[01:23] <netdur> pybe: thanks
[01:24] <funto> hmm...now if I want to create an icon in "My Computer"
[01:24] <funto> which represent my /dev/sda1
[01:24] <funto> how can I do that?
[01:24] <funto> (and for it to be mounted at the beginning of the system)
[01:24] <netdur> funto: add user to moute options
[01:25] <netdur> mount*
[01:25] <minghua> funto: to mount it at boot, add a line in /etc/fstab
[01:25] <funto> ok
[01:26] <funto> netdur: what do you mean by adding a user?
[01:27] <netdur> funto: something like this should be fine "/dev/hdaX /mnt/hdaX auto user,auto,rw 0 0" where X put hd's partition number
[01:27] <minghua> funto: netdur is talking about -o user, which let a user to mount and umount a partition (don't need to be root)
[01:27] <funto> ok I see
[01:28] <funto> netdur >> instead of the 1st "auto" I should put "vfat" no?
[01:28] <funto> since my mount doesn't seem to be able to recognize the partition type...
[01:28] <netdur> yes, if you know what your filesystem is
[01:28] <funto> ok
[01:31] <funto> sorry for my high number of questions but...is it possible to write to an NTFS partition from Ubuntu?
[01:31] <Jimbob> funto: It's possible, but not at all recommended
[01:32] <Jimbob> funto: Linux can only write to existing files, and cannot expand the size of those files.
[01:32] <minghua> funto: I believe not with the default kernel
[01:32] <netdur> funto: mount it with option "ro" instead of "rw"
[01:33] <minghua> Jimbob: Is ubuntu kernel compiled with ntfs writing option?
[01:33] <vijay> my network connection takes lot of time to start
[01:33] <minghua> I've never tried
[01:33] <funto> and "ro" means...?
[01:33] <minghua> read-only
[01:33] <netdur> read only
[01:33] <linuxgod> best free OS for servers atm ?
[01:33] <linuxgod> best free OS for servers atm ?
[01:33] <linuxgod> best free OS for servers atm ?
[01:33] <minghua> and rw for read & write
[01:33] <linuxgod> i need comments
[01:33] <linuxgod> ?
[01:33] <vijay> my network connection takes lot of time to start
[01:34] <Jimbob> minghua: I'm not sure.
[01:34] <vijay> my network connection takes lot of time to start.....HELP
[01:34] <minghua> vijay: please be more specific.  At boot? or you use ppp?
[01:34] <vijay> i use adls
[01:34] <vijay> pppoe
[01:34] <vijay> at boot
[01:35] <minghua> so it hang somewhere for a long time at boot?
[01:35] <vijay> i guess
[01:35] <vijay> sometimes i have to reboot
[01:35] <vijay> to make it work
[01:35] <minghua> hmm, then which step did it hang?
[01:35] <vijay> and sometimes i have to put my user anem and password again to activate it
[01:36] <vijay> otherwise the plog result shows login incorrect
[01:36] <minghua> i have no experience on adsl, but for my dial-up box, it hangs for a long time at sychronize time
[01:37] <vijay> there is some settings i knew before that clears the problem but cannpt remember now
[01:38] <vijay> my network connection takes lot of time to start.....HELP
[01:39] <netdur> maybe it take time to upload microcode to modem
[01:39] <netdur> do you have speedtouch?
[01:40] <da_bon_bon> hey i updated to hoary! :))
[01:40] <da_bon_bon> however, how do i get original cursor theme ? this one sucks :(
[01:40] <pybe> linuxgod: debian
[01:40] <funto> if you use SpeedTouch perhaps that I could help you...i'm using it right now :)
[01:40] <linuxgod> pybe,
[01:41] <linuxgod> sure
[01:41] <linuxgod> ?
[01:42] <netdur> funto: I use speedtouch, it take long to upload microcode
[01:43] <pybe> linuxgod: yes
[01:43] <funto> bof...my internet connections starts up in about 30 seconds
[01:43] <da_bon_bon> how do i get original cursor theme of warty in hoary ? this one sucks :(
[01:43] <funto> even less
[01:44] <linuxgod> thanks pybe
[01:45] <oten> anyone where uses k3b to copy dvd's?
[01:46] <oten> i can't copy dvd 2 dvd, but ican burn files to a dvd normally
[01:49] <vanston> is the ubuntu livecd based on morphix?
[01:49] <funto> Ubuntu itself is based on Morphix
[01:49] <funto> But Ubuntu LiveCD....I don't know ^^
[01:49] <m3ta7h3ad> anyone else here noticed problems when upgrading to hoary hedgehog from warty?, specifically losing shortcuts in the gnome menus, and the ability to make short cuts.
[01:50] <netdur> LOL, Ubuntu is not based on Morphix
[01:50] <Cindux> based on debian *
[01:50] <m3ta7h3ad> ubuntu is based on debian afaik
[01:50] <Cindux> bla that idea didnt work lol ><
[01:50] <m3ta7h3ad> :)
[01:50] <Cindux> stupid question, how do I save files with nano?
[01:50] <Cindux> i just edited /etc/hostname*
[01:50] <Cindux> now i wanna save it
[01:50] <m3ta7h3ad> says down the bottom.. ctrl and a letter :)
[01:50] <vanston> Where are the sources for the livecd located?
[01:51] <Cindux> oh
[01:51] <Cindux> lol
[01:51] <funto> gn
[01:51] <Cindux> :(
[01:51] <m3ta7h3ad> ctrl O :)
[01:51] <funto> I've read that it was based on Morphix...
[01:51] <Cindux> control A + control O?
[01:51] <Cindux> or Control O ?
[01:51] <LinuxJones> funto, the live CD is based on Morphix
[01:51] <m3ta7h3ad> lol just ctrl + o
[01:51] <Cindux> ok ok jus making sure lol :P
[01:51] <Cindux> brb im gonna try it
[01:51] <m3ta7h3ad> if you exit it after making changes it will also ask you if you want to save :)
[01:51] <LinuxJones> funto, the hardware detection and stuff, used to be anyways
[01:52] <linuxgod> cya all
[01:52] <linuxgod> bye pybe
[01:52] <Cindux> oy g'bye
[01:52] <m3ta7h3ad> Grr @ this hoary thing.
[01:52] <Cindux> woah
[01:52] <da_bon_bon> how do i get original cursor theme of warty in hoary ? this one sucks :(
[01:52] <m3ta7h3ad> Damn thing removed all my shortcuts for xmms and other things I had installed.
[01:53] <Cindux> crap, i gotta get to school
[01:53] <Cindux> see everybody later
[01:53] <m3ta7h3ad> bye cindux
[01:53] <vanston> sources for the livecd ?
[01:54] <m3ta7h3ad> ah thats better I can actually see whats in my bitchx window now :)
[01:54] <da_bon_bon> anyone got problems with marillat and gpg keys ?
[01:56] <LinuxJones> da_bon_bon, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary/view?searchterm=apt%20gpg
[01:56] <m3ta7h3ad> is there any way of rolling back to warty?
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> LinuxJones: thanks.
[01:57] <m3ta7h3ad> just change the settings and do another apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> m3ta7h3ad: why would u want to do that ?
[01:57] <m3ta7h3ad> *sources not settings
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> that wont worj
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> work
[01:57] <m3ta7h3ad> well because hoary has removed my ability to create shortcuts in gnome.
[01:57] <da_bon_bon> coz apt-get wont get downgraded packages
[01:58] <m3ta7h3ad> and has also deleted/lost all the shortcuts I had previously.
[01:58] <LinuxJones> m3ta7h3ad, created a new user account...maybe something got messed up just within the gnome files for your user
[01:58] <m3ta7h3ad> i.e. lyx, xmms, bitchx.. all have to be opened using the terminal as there is no other way to open them :(
[01:58] <m3ta7h3ad> hmm shall try that jones :)
[01:59] <funto> ++
[02:01] <m3ta7h3ad> brb just logging out and back in.
[02:01] <da_bon_bon> LinuxJones: i need to create a key pair as root or as any normal user ?
[02:02] <LinuxJones> da_bon_bon, root
[02:02] <da_bon_bon> LinuxJones: damn!
[02:03] <m3ta7h3ad> nope, didnt work :( but I have to run and get ready for uni now :)
[02:03] <m3ta7h3ad> Thanks for the help anyways :)
[02:04] <zzyber> Hi! Does anyone know how to get scripting working in nautilus? I have done like http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NautilusScriptsHowto says but i cant get the script menu?
[02:05] <da_bon_bon> LinuxJones: done. thanks a lot :)
[02:06] <LinuxJones> da_bon_bon, :>)
[02:09] <rj_> How to enable cd burning for ATAPI device (warty)
[02:09] <LinuxJones> rj_, that should be done automatically
[02:10] <rj_> true
[02:10] <rj_> it should
[02:10] <rj_> thats why i'm here
[02:10] <rj_> it hasnt :S
[02:11] <LinuxJones> rj_, ls -al /dev/cdrom
[02:12] <LinuxJones> rj_, that link pointing to anything ?
[02:12] <rj_> yeah to /dev/hdd
[02:13] <LinuxJones> rj_, nothing happens when you put in a cd ?
[02:14] <rj_> yeah it totally mounts everything
[02:14] <LinuxJones> rj_, but writing doesn't work ?
[02:14] <rj_> no
[02:15] <LinuxJones> rj_, what error comes up ?
[02:15] <rj_> something cdrecord
[02:15] <rj_> tells me to try and -scanbus
[02:15] <rj_> which in turn does nothing
[02:15] <ups> zzyber: did u make the scripts executable?
[02:15] <LinuxJones> rj_, what kernel are you running ?
[02:15] <rj_> warty
[02:15] <rj_> the one
[02:15] <zzyber> ups, yes
[02:16] <LinuxJones> rj_, have you upgraded your system using apt-get or synaptic ?
[02:16] <rj_> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[02:16] <rj_> cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make sure you are root.
[02:16] <rj_> cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'.
[02:16] <rj_> no
[02:16] <da_bon_bon> how do i know if i am really running udev ?
[02:17] <LinuxJones> rj_, sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[02:17] <rj_> am..
[02:17] <LinuxJones> da_bon_bon, if your running Ubuntu your using udev
[02:17] <odyssey> da_bon_bon, ls /dev if there are thousands of entrys them you arent running udev
[02:17] <rj_> lol @ efficiency..
[02:18] <rj_> needs to get 133 MB of packages, after unpacking 184kb will be used
[02:18] <mjg59> rj_: cdrecord dev=/cdrom
[02:18] <LinuxJones> rj_, hopefully that 184 kb are fixes for your cd buringing :D
[02:18] <LinuxJones> err burning
[02:19] <rj_> even
[02:19] <rj_> yeah its getting some kernel stuff
[02:19] <ups> zzyber: which directory did u put the scripts in?
[02:19] <rj_> but at ~820KB/s i'm not complaining
[02:19] <ronalde> having sata disc errors like sense key medium error and I/O errors. should i run a bad black scan?
[02:19] <LinuxJones> rj_, I think you will be ok when the upgrade finishes
[02:19] <rj_> prolly
[02:20] <ompaul> ronalde, have you tried to fix the filesystem using standard tools?
[02:20] <rj_> hey what mjg59 said worked!
[02:20] <mjg59> With 2.6, you don't need to mess about with scanbus and ide-scsi and all that madness
[02:21] <rj_> ow no it didnt
[02:21] <zzyber> ups, i put them in ~/.gnome2/nautilus/nautilus-scripts/
[02:21] <rj_> but it got as far as counting down the 5 seconds
[02:21] <ups> zzyber: put them in ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts
[02:21] <mjg59> rj_: What went wrong?
[02:21] <zzyber> ups, i ment  ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts
[02:22] <ups> hmm
[02:22] <ronalde> ompaul: yep, tried jfs_fsck a number of time, but each time during it gets timeout errors and the errors described before
[02:22] <rj_> scsidev: '/cdrom'
[02:22] <rj_> devname: '/cdrom'
[02:22] <rj_> scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
[02:22] <rj_> Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.
[02:22] <rj_> cdrecord: Is a directory. Cannot open '/cdrom'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[02:22] <rj_> cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make sure you are root.
[02:22] <ompaul> ronalde, sorry to repeat the obvious questions I was not here for that
[02:23] <mjg59> rj_: Do you know which device your burner is?
[02:23] <ompaul> ronalde, a little question to follow on from that - have you got your important data off to one side?
[02:23] <ronalde> ompaul: no
[02:23] <ompaul> ronalde, you have a live CD I take it
[02:24] <ronalde> ompaul: yes (knoppix and warty live)
[02:24] <ups> zzyber: try putting a script in ~/Nautilus
[02:24] <ups> and see if that works
[02:24] <ups> zzyber: (note the uppercase N)
[02:24] <ronalde> ompaul: i even have another warty running on another disc, so i can check everything
[02:24] <rj_> yeah its /dev/hdd aka /dev/cdrom big bad black 8xdual channel dvd +/- r(w) 40/24/40cdr(w)
[02:26] <ompaul> ronalde, so this nice little partition does not talk to jfs_fsck and you can't mount it - I wonder about fsck -y at boot time or booting it off a live CD and trying fsck -y /dev/you_name_it
[02:26] <ompaul> ronalde, I take it also that you have done df and it is not mounted
[02:28] <ronalde> ompaul: it does respond tot jfs_fsck but it hangs (timeouts) at a certain point
[02:28] <ronalde> ompaul: didn't dd?
[02:28] <Pinguvin> how do i change to audio output in xine?
[02:28] <zzyber> ups, not working either? Its strange! Where exact in the menus do i execute this scripts
[02:28] <ronalde> ompaul: didn't df?
[02:28] <ronalde> ompaul: ah disk free ;)
[02:28] <Pinguvin> how do i change the* audio output in xine?
[02:28] <ups> zzyber: it should appear under the File menu, and also on Right-clicking in Nautilus
[02:29] <ompaul> ronalde, that is the one - it will tell you if the partition had mounted all be it with faults
[02:29] <ups> zzyber: also, right click on the desktop should have a Scripts menu
[02:29] <ronalde> ompaul: i just mounted it manually and df returns correct numbers
[02:30] <ompaul> ronalde, running fsck on mounted systems is not a good idea(tm)
[02:30] <ronalde> ompaul: I know, I didn't ;)
[02:30] <ompaul> ronalde, this is as they say a good thing(tm) :-)
[02:30] <zzyber> ups, do i need a restart to get nautilus to understand that i have scripts in script folder?
[02:31] <ups> zzyber: no
[02:31] <ronalde> ompaul: it seems fine as long as there are no big disc transfers
[02:31] <ups> zzyber: it should appear instantly, it does here
[02:31] <ompaul> ronalde, how big?
[02:31] <zzyber> what version do you have?
[02:32] <ronalde> ompaul: like copying my home dir of 11GB
[02:32] <ompaul> to it ?
[02:32] <zzyber> ups, what version do you have? Mine is 2.9.91
[02:32] <ronalde> ompaul: from it (to my current running rescue disc)
[02:33] <ups> zzyber: same, 2.9.91
[02:34] <ompaul> ronalde, so do the following - create the subdirectories one at a time and cp them - do not use the mv command {but I reckon you already may be doing this_
[02:34] <ompaul> s/_/)/
[02:34] <ompaul> wrong bracket (doh)
[02:35] <ronalde> ompaul: i just told the bios to do no dma and now i'm trying to cp -av ...
[02:36] <tezza> is it ok to recompile a 2.6.11-rc4 kernel for ubuntu warty?
[02:36] <ompaul> ronalde, the fact that the disk is sata is strange for me - I have yet to see one of those disks die
[02:37] <ronalde> ompaul: it's a first for me too ;(
[02:37] <ronalde> ompaul: FYI it's connected to an intel D86PERL (libata)
[02:37] <rj_> so what does this mean.. ? "cdrecord: Device or resource busy. Cannot open SCSI driver."
[02:37] <manobes> tezza: It should be.  You can always boot the old kernel if it doesn't work
[02:38] <tezza> true
[02:38] <ronalde> ompaul: /D86PERL/D865PERL/
[02:39] <ompaul> ronalde, I think the words hmm must watch that combo
[02:39] <ompaul> ronalde, come to mind
[02:41] <ompaul> rj_ that could be you do not have permission or it is as it says the cdrom drive you are trying to right to is busy
[02:41] <rj_> guess i'll just go downstairs and have my pc canabalize my brothers 48xcdrw
[02:42] <[NikO] > hello
[02:42] <ompaul> nik0 hello to you too
[02:42] <rj_> ompaul i tried it as root, and the drive was *open*
[02:42] <rj_> though it gives the same error when idle, closed, mounted or whatever
[02:43] <[NikO] > could someone install ubuntu on a external drive ( usb )
[02:44] <[NikO] > i need to boot ubuntu on a external usb2 drive, and nothing on a internal drive
[02:44] <[NikO] > but after the kernel load, the kernel panic because he can't find the /dev/console
[02:45] <ronalde> ompaul: did you come to mind?
[02:46] <ompaul> ronalde, em I take it that english is not your first language (I should be more careful of what I type) those last two lines should have been on one line to read properly :-/
[02:46] <ronalde> ompaul: ;)
[02:47] <ompaul> nick0 some guys stripped ubuntu down to the bones and got that to happen beatrix is the distro afik but don't ask me cos I did not try to do that yet (must do one of these days but not today :))
[02:47] <ompaul> rj_, that is like some devices are not made
[02:48] <[NikO] > hum
[02:48] <ronalde> ompaul: thanks fot the attention, it's copying everything now. Do you know of any good (low-level) tools to check if the disk/controller are still OK?
[02:50] <ompaul> ronalde, what I tend to do is blank the partition (or better still the disk) and write new partitions to it - if I want to test the disk I then write /dev/zero > foo to the disk for huge files i.e. several gigs in size then I move them around if it all works then I am usually happy with the system
[02:51] <ronalde> ompaul: thanks, will go do that
[02:51] <da_bon_bon> apt downloads 2 files at once ?
[02:53] <ompaul> ronalde, for the hardware I would take out the hardrive and just do continious reboots for a few hours with the screen turned off - at the end of the boot sequesnce mount a floppy and move with the use of a script the data from /proc and dmesg to aother box and use grep for errors very cludgy but it works
[02:53] <ompaul> by the way they are soft reboots
[02:58] <da_bon_bon> why the hell is marillat stable not working ?!!
[02:58] <ronalde> ompaul: i suspect the (ICH5) sata-controller embedded on the board, so i don't get how your suggestion would test that part?
[02:59] <sigglet> http://cs.clark.edu/~clug/commands.htm  <-- has good vi command howto
[03:00] <ompaul> ronalde, it would not but it would push the board for some other error - to test the controller you would be looking at the large file generation several times including up to the full size of the disk
[03:01] <ompaul> ronalde, if it is all zeros i.e. grep -v 0 the file and wait for the reply
[03:01] <ompaul> ronalde, if you get one you are writing rubbish if not then it seems to be okay
[03:01] <ronalde> ompaul: ic, thnx
[03:02] <tezza> do i have to use an initrd to boot a 2.6.11-rc4 kernel with ubuntu?
[03:02] <ompaul> ronalde, the only other point I would make to you on this is that one time I thought I had an issue like that it was controller / drive
[03:02] <grirgz> plop !
[03:02] <ompaul> ronalde, I repartitioned the drives 2 years ago and I am still using them today on the same ide controller
[03:03] <ompaul> ronalde, both are 100G +
[03:03] <dutch> morning all
[03:04] <da_bon_bon> my my, apt takes up 90% of my bandwidth - so much so that even irc slows down - how do i make it use up less ?
[03:04] <ompaul> dutch, food afternoon
[03:04] <dutch> it's morning here :)
[03:05] <ompaul> dutch, you shocked me so much my f/g got mixed up - na it is 14:12 I'm tellin ya ;-)
[03:05] <dutch> what ever..I'm not hard to get alone with :)
[03:05] <ompaul> da_bon_bon, you don't unless you get into load balancing or UML or some such
[03:05] <ompaul> dutch, ;-)
[03:06] <da_bon_bon> ompaul: i wouldnt want to :)
[03:07] <membreya> just curios, I currently have linux on a 10gb partition of 120gb harddrive.. I'm going to get a new 200gb harddrive next weekend and I want to know ..will it be easier to convert the entire existing drive to linux (delete windows partitions and resize linux) or can I just dump linux onto the new drive?
[03:09] <LinuxJones> membreya, It is easiest to backup your personal data then wipe everyting and do a fresh install
[03:09] <membreya> nooooooooo I've just gotten everything configured right..excepting tv-out :\
[03:09] <mariano> hi everybody
[03:09] <mariano> I hve problems starting pure-ftp
[03:09] <LinuxJones> membreya, you can backup the existing config files as well
[03:10] <mariano> it keeps saying the address is already in use
[03:10] <Pinguvin> how do i know if my computer is 32 or 64 bit?
[03:10] <mariano> same problem with proftp
[03:10] <mariano> how do I know if there's an applitacion in conflict with ftp servers?
[03:10] <krism> mariano : it sure sounds like an FTP server is already running
[03:10] <pybe> Pinguvin: what processor is in it?
[03:10] <Pinguvin> pybe: celeron 1.3
[03:10] <membreya> hah 32 :)
[03:10] <pybe> Pinguvin: its 32
[03:10] <mariano> krism: indeed, but I just don't have
[03:10] <Pinguvin> pybe: ok :)
[03:11] <Pinguvin> pybe: thanks
[03:11] <ompaul> membreya, well if you rephrased that as what would you advise I would suggest that you partition the disk a bit more into / /swap /usr /home /var /randomnames and then install hoary/warty/ and now for the real fun mount the *other* [old]  partition and copy the user data into the /home directory but not the config files and enjoy it
[03:11] <pybe> np
[03:11] <krism> mariano : dont have what?
[03:11] <mariano> another ftp server
[03:11] <membreya> hmmm ..more fun than windows..
[03:11] <krism> mariano : can you ftp to the box? may i port scan it for you?
[03:11] <mariano> sure, scan me
[03:11] <tezza> does ubuntu need an initrd image to boot?
[03:12] <membreya> oh and here's a hint for people..if you got a partition thats ntfs over 32gb..change cluster size to above 4k before you convert it to FAT32 ;)
[03:12] <ompaul> membreya, and taking into consideration your 'nooooooo' I would say you have the old configs and the new configs and you can manage that I imagine :)
[03:12] <membreya> just spent about 7 hours in windows *shudders*
[03:12] <krism> mariano : gimme a few, installing nmap on this box
[03:12] <mariano> sure
[03:12] <eruin> anyone know if coaster has audio burning support?
[03:12] <LinuxJones> tezza, if you compile all of your support into the kernel no
[03:12] <membreya> ompaul: i should be fine :) ... i can always come running and crying to this channel
[03:12] <membreya> nothing like throwing myself in the deep end with linux
[03:13] <cal_> Can Ubuntu manage files greater than 2GB under VFAT partitions?
[03:13] <tezza> LinuxJones: ok sweet
[03:14] <krism> mariano : i see something listening on 21
[03:14] <krism> (ftp port)
[03:14] <eruin> cal_: I don't have a problem with the dvd .iso of osX I have here
[03:14] <mariano> krism, sorry, try again :D
[03:14] <LinuxJones> tezza, really it only applies to filesystem support for the most part
[03:14] <mariano> firewall
[03:14] <eruin> on a vfat partition
[03:14] <krism> oh, it's "filtered
[03:14] <ompaul> cal_ can VFAT manage 2GB ?
[03:14] <krism> ah, lol
[03:14] <membreya> yuck krism ...who leaves themselves open for portscans these days?
[03:14] <krism> membreya : i do, for one.
[03:15] <krism> mariano : ok, can you paste the exact error message for me when you try to start the ftp server?
[03:15] <membreya> got tired of firewalls in windows freaking with portscans...so I blocked it on my router
[03:15] <mariano> ok, now I'll have to reinstall it
[03:15] <krism> membreya : there are no windows boxes on my network. so, no problem.
[03:15] <mariano> krism, what do you recommend?
[03:15] <krism> mariano : oh :)
[03:15] <ompaul> membreya, there is a school of thought that blocking icmp is just evil /me points at a $companies firewall
[03:15] <mariano> It's the same for me
[03:15] <membreya> aaah :)
[03:15] <krism> mariano : i usually use 'vsftpd'
[03:15] <krism> ompaul : set up an ssh-vpn
[03:15] <membreya> ompaul: i can enable it ..but for what?
[03:15] <ompaul> membreya, also if configured properly it should not be an issue
[03:16] <krism> ompaul : (which is how im on IRC "from" my employers)
[03:16] <mariano> krism, installing
[03:16] <krism> ompaul : despite being on a ridiculously restrictive firewall
[03:17] <ompaul> krism, I have used Open VPN on several occasions - you prove the point lock the door and staff will walk around it - security involves everybody
[03:17] <krism> mariano : you might want to edit /etc/vsftpd.conf and uncomment "local_enable" and "write_enable"
[03:17] <mariano> great, thanks
[03:18] <krism> ompaul : ah, .. ppp over ssh (over https) was just easier for me than a 'real' vpn
[03:18] <ompaul> membreya, it is used to keep various parts of the internet unbroken :)
[03:18] <mariano> krism: /etc/vsftpd.conf
[03:18] <mariano> sorry
[03:18] <krism> ?
[03:18] <krism> lol
[03:18] <mariano> krism: 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket
[03:18] <ompaul> krism, it is in most cases
[03:18] <membreya> wouldnt stopping icmp reduce my risk of DDOS?
[03:18] <mariano> this is the error I get now
[03:19] <krism> mariano : anything interesting in /var/log/vsftpd.log ?
[03:19] <Xappe> howto install esddsp?
[03:19] <krism> membreya : no.
[03:19] <mariano> krism, nothing at all
[03:19] <AeonOnE> does anyone know of any solutions why my mp3s are playing at such a high speed, it makes guys sound like girls? :P
[03:19] <ompaul> krism, it is funny one contract I had recently involved proving that open vpn worked cos SSH was a browser technology I was told by a systems integrator - enough already I will only get mad
[03:19] <krism> hmm
[03:20] <mariano> krism, it's a brand new installation
[03:20] <krism> ompaul : haha
[03:20] <membreya> nice to see a patch was put out so now I can see my mounts as volumes again in hoary ;)
[03:24] <cblack> lo folks
[03:24] <welly> Hello all.. hows it going?
[03:24] <welly> lo cblack
[03:24] <ompaul> krism, so we go visit the "hq" of these people - we had discovered that they had broken routing in the building - every machine had as its default route itself - and so when we did a ping sweep from the yellow in the dmz we saw only one win 98 box but from the green card we saw the whole network - anyway we go to this office set up from a very old laptop (just to make a point) fight with them to open icmp on 5k ssh in to the far end en
[03:24] <ompaul> able the software open the vpn and tell them to fix the broken sc* u*ix box so that is has a default route and all is well
[03:25] <welly> can anyone recommend a general n00b site for linux, learning the basics like installing fonts and I dunno.. just general basic help :) so i don't have to come here wasting folks time asking already answered questions?
[03:26] <AeonOnE> there's the site listed in the topic...
[03:26] <CarlK> welly - "learn linux" is too broad
[03:26] <manobes> welly: Have you tried the ubuntu forums?  There's lots of good info in there.
[03:26] <welly> i'm just having a browse now
[03:26] <welly> carlk, thats a fair point..
[03:26] <AeonOnE> anyone know why my mp3s play faster than normal?
[03:26] <cblack> linux.com
[03:26] <CarlK> welly - my advice: pick a fun goal, like "surf the web" or "use OO to do a term paper"
[03:26] <memaway> welly: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[03:27] <welly> while i mentioned installing fonts, whats the font type as used by linux? I presume it not to be TTF? but i could be wrong
[03:28] <CarlK> or what I am doing: try to use an old compaq lte5150 (P-100, 32 ram, 800 hd) to play mp3s and surf with firefox
[03:28] <njan> AeonOnE, I've had that problem in windows when windows 2k picked the wrong driver for an onboard card; I'd take a look at alsa, if I were you. What sort of machine is it?
[03:29] <CarlK> which brings me to my Q: did I see a ubuntu targeted at old hardware?
[03:29] <AeonOnE> njan, it's a pentium4 1.7GHz just running warty
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> CarlK: not specifically
[03:29] <manobes> welly: Linux supports TTF
[03:29] <Guybrush|Numb> anyone can suggest me a good ftp client for warty with ssl support ?
[03:29] <ompaul> CarlK, have you more than one sound card?
[03:29] <welly> manobes, oh ok, fair enough!
[03:30] <CarlK> ompaul - nope
[03:30] <manobes> welly: You can install addtionall true type fonts by downloading them into the .fonts directory
[03:30] <welly> ok.. i'll try that then, many thanks.
[03:30] <manobes> (select "view" and then "show hidden files" to see it in the file manager)
[03:31] <ompaul> CarlK, sorry mixed up who I was talking to
[03:31] <CarlK> is there a ubuntu setup that will allow me to not install Open Office, games, etc?
[03:31] <krism> ompaul : ack, sheesh. sorry it took me so long to respond.
[03:31] <Se7h> does anyone has a mustek mini camera?
[03:31] <CarlK> ompaul - I was wondering...
[03:31] <njan> AeonOnE, custom made, or brand?
[03:31] <krism> ompaul : (that was about the place that had every boxes default route set to itself)
[03:31] <Se7h> i used to import the pics from it, but now the app wont popup
[03:32] <Guybrush|Numb> anyone can suggest me a good ftp client for warty with ssl support ?
[03:33] <Guybrush|Numb> graphical interface, i should add
[03:33] <klaym> Guybrush|Numb: there's one at ubuntuguide.org
[03:33] <Guybrush|Numb> checking...
[03:33] <klaym> called gftp
[03:34] <ompaul> krism, yes we had a shouting match with the integrator in their (the integrators) office -  (consider this with all caps) Just add the bloody route will you the default route ohh FFS look type this command etc it took them 3 hours to open the firewall correctly and one hour to add the default route
[03:34] <Guybrush|Numb> klaym: thanks, but it does not have ssl support :-|
[03:34] <AeonOnE> njan, custom made. using a Chaintech AV-710 soundcard
[03:34] <klaym> ok. I don't even know what that is
[03:34] <ompaul> krism, anyway thats enough of that :)
[03:35] <ompaul> krism,  raw_input()
[03:35] <memaway> klaym: SSL = Secure Socket Layer
[03:36] <welly> good is this ubuntu, I think it's probably the first distribution I've tried that could genuinely be a replacement for windows as far as ease of use etc. goes
[03:36] <ompaul> Guybrush|Numb, sftp because you have ssh installed already  just type sftp user@whatever and do the obvious but tab completion is not there for a reason :)
[03:37] <Guybrush|Numb> ompaul: thanks, but i have a remote site that uses ssl on a windows ftp daemon :-|
[03:37] <minimec> Hi folks. hmm... I did a system upgrade to hoary. Can anybody explain to me the fact, that I have no Kernel Headers and Sources for the installed Kernel-Image-2.6.10 ?
[03:38] <Guybrush|Numb> i wanted to try ftp-ssl package from universe, but it conflicts with ftp package, on which ubuntu-base depends :-|
[03:38] <njan> AeonOnE, hmm.. I'd google around, if I were you.
[03:38] <ompaul> Guybrush|Numb, and it won't talk to sftp wow
[03:38] <Guybrush|Numb> ompaul: do not blame me :)
[03:39] <cblack> Guybrush|Numb, it's okay for the ubuntu-base package to get removed.
[03:39] <OOOOKKK> hi
[03:39] <OOOOKKK> can any one tell me what's the relatino of QT with Linux ?
[03:39] <ompaul> Guybrush|Numb, no I am not, I wonder if you scripted something - expect or python
[03:39] <AeonOnE> njan, okay, thanks :)
[03:39] <HrdwrBoB> OOOOKKK: qt is a toolkit which can run on linux
[03:39] <HrdwrBoB> KDE uses it
[03:39] <ompaul> OOOOKKK, ask in #kde they most likely know much more about it
[03:40] <OOOOKKK> if i'm using emacs for writing C++ codes and g++ as the compiler
[03:40] <Guybrush|Numb> cblack: is it ? Thats good news, i suppose it's there just to get a sane starting environment ?
[03:40] <OOOOKKK> how can I integrate QT into what i'm doing ?
[03:40] <Riddell> OOOOKKK: you program with it same as any other programming library
[03:40] <cblack> Guybrush|Numb, correct. It's a meta-package that pulls in the stock ubuntu base environment.
[03:40] <Riddell> OOOOKKK: what are you doing?
[03:40] <OOOOKKK> you mean QT initself is a C++ editor ?
[03:41] <minimec> can I use the Debian Kernels on an Ubuntu System?
[03:41] <dgp> minimec: you'd better use the ubuntu ones
[03:41] <Riddell> OOOOKKK: no, it's a programming library
[03:41] <Riddell> OOOOKKK: so you can go  new QPushButton and  it will make a button for you on the screen
[03:42] <timothy> can someone help me mount windows partitions? I have it to the point where mounting it is fine and I've edited my /etc/fstab with what seems to be the necessities, but when I mount it I don't have access to the folder
[03:42] <cblack> Guybrush|Numb, but you could also install gft-gtk or gftp-text to get an ssl enabled ftp client and still keep ubuntu-base around.
[03:42] <minimec> dgp: Well what shall I do now. I need the headers and sources for the 2.6.10 ubuntu Kernel. But they are not in the apt-cache list.
[03:43] <cblack> minimec, you're running warty or hoary?
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB> minimec: they should be if you're running hoary
[03:43] <dgp> minimec: they are, on Hoary
[03:43] <minimec> cblack, I made an upgrade to hoary
[03:43] <brrrt> why dont use kernel from kernel.org?
[03:43] <dgp> minimec: then look for linux-source-2.6.10 and linux-headers-*
[03:43] <cblack> minimec, they headers and such are in hoary. apt-cache search 2.6.10 | grep linux
[03:44] <minimec> hmmm.. i did an apt-get update and searched for the headers. Nothing ...
[03:44] <ompaul> brrrt, to do so is to break your distribution and thus change the maintaince path - your call
[03:44] <timothy> i've tried modifying the permissions of the folder I'm mounting to, but as soon as I mount the partitions, it changes the permissions back so that I can't access them
[03:45] <krism> timothy : samba share?
[03:45] <dgp> timothy: add user=timothy (or your user login) to the mount options.
[03:45] <krism> timothy : if so, in /etc/fstab options for your mount, add "uid=..,gid=..." to set the owner of the files
[03:45] <kent> do some one know when the 2.6.0 kernel was released?
[03:46] <memaway> timothy: is it a local or remote drive? and what "permissions" are you talking about? are you trying to write or just read?
[03:46] <cblack> minimec, they're there.
[03:46] <cblack> linux-headers-2.6.10-3
[03:46] <dgp> brrrt: better "install" the  linux-source-2.6.10 package and recompile with kernel-package
[03:46] <dgp> kent: look at www.kernel.org, there should be the release date. or look into the archives at lwn.net
[03:47] <spiral> hi
[03:47] <memaway> does anyone here get over 200kB/s using apt-get?
[03:47] <timothy> memaway: it's a local drive, and I mean the permissions to access the folder that I mount to (/mnt/win) just read, and it's an NTFS formatted drive
[03:47] <Xappe> memaway, yepp, usualy around 800
[03:47] <minimec> cblack, thx. As an old debian user I did apt-get search kernel-headers ... :-)
[03:48] <memaway> gah...only cable but i can never get above 200
[03:48] <cblack> minimec, yeah, that got me at first to. all the ubuntu kernel packages are linux-. :-)
[03:48] <timothy> memaway: but I got it working (uid=xxxx did the trick)
[03:49] <dgp> they really should drop the kernel-* packages, they only confuse new users
[03:50] <funto> does someone know an easy way of installing the Mesa dev librairies?
[03:50] <Bicchi> i tried the ubuntu live cd and the computer frooze. should i asume that there is unsuported hardware in my computer or perhaps the live cd just sucks.
[03:50] <minimec> cblack, looks much better now... :-)
[03:50] <Dreamer3_> dgp: how so?
[03:50] <dgp> funto: apt-get install xlibsmesa-dev, or something like that
[03:51] <dgp> Dreamer3_: because they are superseded by the linux-* packages
[03:51] <christiannyg> Ok... how do I get esddsp?
[03:51] <funto> dgp: there are problems of depends
[03:51] <Dreamer3_> dgp: ah
[03:51] <dgp> christiannyg: esd-utils, I think
[03:51] <eruin> anyone know how to make rhythmbox burn cds at a lower speed than its default?
[03:51] <cblack> christiannyg, apt-get install esound-clients
[03:51] <funto> mesag-dev:
[03:51] <funto>  Dpend: xlibs-dev but it is not installable
[03:51] <funto>  Dpend: mesa-common-dev but it is not going to be installed
[03:51] <memaway> funto: search for the file by sudo apt-cache search (name)
[03:51] <spiral> hmmm... I've got a problem with my phpmyadmin on ubuntu :
[03:51] <spiral> "Warning: preg_match: internal pcre_fullinfo() error -3 in /usr/share/phpmyadmin/libraries/defines.lib.php on line 36"
[03:51] <cblack> memaway, there's no reason to run apt-cache search as root.
[03:52] <spiral> any idea where this comes from ?
[03:52] <brrrt> i am using ubuntu 64, it works great! except some precompiled perlscripts, i already setup a chrooted env with the files (libs etc. ) copied 1:1 from a working woody but the scripts still dont work, any ideas what to do?
[03:52] <memaway> xlibmesa-dev
[03:52] <christiannyg> esound-clients is not available on warty :)
[03:52] <memaway> cblack: force of habit ;)
[03:52] <dgp> funto: let me check...
[03:52] <funto> memaway: to find what?
[03:53] <CarlK> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrumpyGroundhog - is there anything like this yet?
[03:53] <memaway> search for mesa
[03:53] <minimec> cblack, maybe you know that: Is the bootsplash patch integrated in the linux-image-2.6.10-3 ?
[03:53] <dgp> CarlK: not before Hoary is released, in April
[03:53] <CarlK> rats
[03:54] <cblack> minimec, i dunno. i don't use bootsplash so i never check. :-)
[03:54] <dgp> CarlK: currently, hoary is the bleeding edge release
[03:54] <memaway> anyone got flash working on amd64?
[03:54] <minimec> cblack, well be back. I have to reboot
[03:54] <minimec> cblack, cu
[03:54] <csorrell> leonel: dammit thanks, i was only looking on the client
[03:55] <leonel> csorrell: ei !  we were on #debian !
[03:55] <leonel> csorrell: jejeje
[03:56] <t31> i have installed enlightenment using synaptic, someone knows how to add to the sessions menu in the ubuntu start?
[03:56] <dgp> memaway: on my local lug's mailing list, they suggested http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=216959
[03:57] <flosch> hi
[03:57] <dgp> t31: try Computer (or Desktop)->Preferences->Session(s)
[03:57] <memaway> many thanks dgp
[03:58] <eruin> anyone know how to make hdparm -d1 work in ubuntu?
[03:58] <dgp> eruin: just use 'sudo hdparm ...'
[03:58] <randabis> it works fine here...
[03:59] <randabis> ubuntu is pretty good about handling that by itself though
[03:59] <dgp> eruin: when you find some working settings, add them to /etc/hdparm.conf to use them permanently
[04:00] <eruin> dgp: I get Permission denied when trying to set dma on any device
[04:00] <dgp> eruin: did you use sudo?
[04:00] <eruin> apparently this is a debian-inherited problem? (http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/11/msg01833.html)
[04:00] <eruin> correct
[04:00] <t31> dgp: lets see im back in a minute
[04:01] <eruin> I know all my devices work fine with it, since I'm able to set dma on in gentoo on the same machine :O
[04:02] <t31> dpg: i did but no changes i dont have access to that desktop yet
[04:02] <t31> dgp: sorry i did but no results :P
[04:02] <spiral> why does the phpmyadmin from hoary want caudium and not apache ?
[04:02] <dgp> t31: I don't know then...
[04:03] <t31> dpg: :(
[04:03] <welly> does anyone know the system font that macos uses as standard?
[04:03] <dgp> t31: haven't you tried to create a new session type and replace metacity with enlightment?
[04:03] <t31> dpg: i dont get u
[04:04] <dgp> t31: isn't it an alternative window manager which integrates with gnome?
[04:04] <t31> dpg: metacity?
[04:04] <dgp> t31: enlightment
[04:04] <Dreamer3_> can't quite a few wm's integrate with gnome these days?
[04:04] <t31> dpg: yes it is
[04:05] <dgp> t31: so it is not a whole desktop environment (which you would see in the menu at GDM login)
[04:05] <dgp> t31: you just need to replace metacity with it
[04:06] <dgp> t31: but the desktop will still be gnome
[04:06] <t31> dgp: no i dont know, i think is a whole desktop to use with old machines not with gnome
[04:06] <ceu> is there a way to change virtual desktop using the mouse only (no keyboard, and no WorkArea gnome applet) ?
[04:06] <memaway> dgp: that plugin only works with konquerer..not mozilla
[04:06] <vjaz> dgp, you can very well use "just a window manager" as a "desktop environment"
[04:06] <t31> dgp: if i try to run under gnome gives me an error
[04:07] <vjaz> And I think Enlightenment is actually more than a window manager.
[04:07] <dgp> memaway: i'm sorry then, i don't know anything else :(
[04:07] <t31> dpg: i only can run it starting with a console failsafe session and then start it
[04:07] <memaway> thats cool.thanks for the info :)
[04:07] <dgp> t31: try to run it with --replace
[04:08] <dgp> vjaz: yes, but i thought he would like to use it with gnome, not by itself
[04:09] <vjaz> hm
[04:10] <Div> installed ubuntu today, can't get the mouse to work, replaced the mouse, the serial port card is ok, any ideas?
[04:11] <LinuxJones> div, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SerialMouseHowto/view?searchterm=serial%20mouse
[04:11] <Div> thanks.
[04:12] <looksaus> I have no idea in which channel to ask the following question; please refer me to it if you do.
[04:12] <memaway> anyone know of a kazaa client for linux
[04:13] <grirgz> kazaa sux
[04:13] <memaway> yes but it's the best way for me to get music vids (980 and counting ;))
[04:13] <reon> Hi !
[04:13] <looksaus> my switch starts flashing on all LEDs, power LED included, after a random interval of time
[04:14] <DXT> perhaps a power problem?
[04:14] <DXT> i had a similar problem with my router
[04:14] <looksaus> DXT, my server is connected to the same power plug
[04:14] <looksaus> and that one seems to run fine
[04:15] <looksaus> strange thing is that on some ports, it seems to happen faster
[04:15] <looksaus> DXT: ideas for troubleshooting?
[04:15] <ompaul> looksaus,  it still could be a power problem if the PSU (power supply unit) has issue that seems to be something to take up with a supplier if you can't find the answer on http://www.google.com where you put in your model number and flashing lights and see what comes back :)
[04:15] <LinuxJones> div :)
[04:15] <DXT> if the switch connected via a power adapter, check if its on the right voltage
[04:16] <DXT> that's all i can think of
[04:16] <DXT> not much of a specialist i am in this area :)
[04:16] <DXT> unless its really a hardware problem
[04:16] <ompaul> reon, good afternoon
[04:16] <reon> Can someone help me with mounting my old fat/ntfs data partition please ?
[04:16] <haltok> hey
[04:16] <looksaus> ompaul: suggestions for making sure it's really a power/hardware problem?
[04:17] <reon> hi ompaul
[04:17] <ompaul> looksaus, what kind of switch is it?
[04:17] <haltok> lhello all
[04:18] <looksaus> asus gigax 1024p, 24 ports 100 Mbit + 2 Gbit managed
[04:18] <reon> looksaus, I work in the networking environment, maybe I can help
[04:18] <ompaul> looksaus, little i.e. external psu  drops to 10v or something or a big mother and father of a switch rackmountable?
[04:18] <ompaul> ohh
[04:19] <ompaul> looksaus, did not see the answer - okay
[04:19] <CarlK> is there a .torrent for Hoary, or just rsync?
[04:20] <looksaus> would it make sense to temporarily replace the thing with a small inexpensive thing and test with that one?
[04:20] <universal> hye, could someone help me with k3b, it says Command 'kcmshell k3bsetup2 --lang en_US' not found !!!!!
[04:20] <ompaul> looksaus, has it fallen over?
[04:20] <looksaus> ompaul, I'm setting up an ltsp server as a volunteer for the school I went to...
[04:20] <looksaus> ompaul: no, but it's fairly recent
[04:20] <universal> im trying to run the k3bsetup as so, and then this message pops up
[04:21] <looksaus> only installed it on friday
[04:21] <looksaus> has worked then for +- 6 hours while I was installing it
[04:21] <mon> hi, anyone tried installing hoary on vmware?
[04:22] <universal> can someone help?
[04:22] <ompaul> looksaus, I am looking at an asus catalogue now brb
[04:23] <Cuga_> universal, theres obviously something missing from the KDE components, you do realise that ubuntu is 'gnome centric' right... can't think of another word to describe it haha
[04:25] <reon> Why do I get error msg - dir: /mnt/ntfs: Permission denied   ???
[04:26] <reon> ?
[04:26] <macewan> nobody get near me. I sick as a dog today.
[04:26] <Nili> Hey guys!
[04:26] <ompaul> looksaus, there is nothing here - pop up a terminal on a linux box close to it - su - and run the following command "tcpdump -l | grep -v the_ip_of_the_machine_that_is_watching | tee > somefile" after a few minutes see if there is unusual traffic
[04:28] <ompaul> looksaus, but I do think that a call to the vendor might be in order
[04:29] <universal> Cuga_, I know but somehow it must be possible to access the k3bsetup, and then somehow reconfigure the standarts....
[04:29] <reon> can someone please help me mount a ntfs partition ?
[04:29] <ompaul> reon, if I do it will be in spite of myself :-) you do know that writing to such a thing could kill it altogether
[04:30] <Cuga_> universal, is there a k3bsetup2 on its own, im pretty sure its crapping out on the kshell... since you most likely have no kshell
[04:30] <AeonOnE> reon: try ubuntuguide.org it has great instructions on how to mount an ntfs partition
[04:30] <looksaus> ompaul: you're trying to watch for any strange packets...
[04:30] <reon> ompaul, i only need read acces
[04:30] <reon> ompaul, read the guide but not getting it right
[04:30] <universal> exactly, it have to do with my shell, therefore...
[04:30] <looksaus> ompaul: I don't really get the purpose
[04:31] <haltok> can anyone answer a very simple question?
[04:31] <Cuga_> universal, therefore just put in that command on your command line, don't try and do it thru the gui
[04:31] <reon> ompaul, edited the fstab file, did the mount -a, but having a permission problem reding it
[04:31] <Cuga_> gui has hardcoded in to try and launch kshell
[04:31] <haltok> i need to disable postfix on boot.  and i can't find chkconfig to do it
[04:31] <ompaul> looksaus, okay - you have a piece of hardware it is faulty - speak to vendor with symptoms after you check that you do not have a packet storm
[04:32] <looksaus> ok... thx, sorry for disturbing with a question that is probably not appropriate in this channel, and thanks for helping me solve it
[04:32] <universal> Cuga_, ok, but what to type, so gnome can recognize?
[04:32] <welly> hey guys, where is the .fonts directory kept for installing new fonts? I can't seem to find it
[04:33] <Cuga_> universal it doesn't matter
[04:33] <Cuga_> universal, just open up any terminal
[04:33] <universal> Cuga_,  kcmshell k3bsetup2[/color] ?
[04:33] <Cuga_> and type that command it says it error out on minus the kcmdshell part
[04:33] <Cuga_> kcmshell = not your friend
[04:35] <lamont> haltok: to have postfix not run at all, just rm /etc/r*.d/S20postfix
[04:35] <lamont> er, /etc/rc?.d/S20postfix if you want to be more specific
[04:35] <haltok> i may want to start it in the future, but for now, just don't want it to start at boot
[04:35] <lamont> to start it later, as root, say /etc/init.d/postfix start
[04:36] <haltok> oh ok
[04:36] <universal> Cuga_, Command 'kcmshell 'k3bsetup2'' not found. this is what it says? then type k3bsetup2?
[04:36] <haltok> thanks a lot so rm /etc/r*.d/S20postfix
[04:36] <lamont> removing it from rc?.d says to never start it as part of entering a runstate.
[04:36] <haltok> that is what i am looking for.  thanks!
[04:36] <lamont> those are all symlinks to /etc/init.d/postfix, which you'll want to keep..
[04:36] <haltok> i appreciate the help (U newb)
[04:36] <lamont> np
[04:36] <Cuga_> universal, Just run k3bsetup2
[04:37] <universal> Cuga_, not found
[04:37] <Cuga_> k3b then hit tab and see what commands you do have
[04:37] <universal> Cuga_, shell is like term, isnt it?
[04:38] <Cuga_> yes
[04:38] <universal> Cube-ness, hmmm
[04:38] <universal> Cuga_, hmm
[04:43] <haltok> clearw
[04:45] <looksaus> ompaul: is there anything specific I should look for in the log collected?
[04:45] <ompaul> looksaus, on a call
[04:49] <ompaul> looksaus, second call on going
[04:49] <crack> hello
[04:49] <drasko> hello
[04:49] <crack> quick question...
[04:49] <crack> fresh install
[04:49] <drasko> ?
[04:49] <crack> cant get my bootloader to work
[04:49] <crack> grub hangs
[04:49] <crack> then
[04:49] <crack> i have to use my xp cd to fix my mbr
[04:49] <crack> so
[04:49] <crack> dual boot
[04:49] <crack> doesnt work
[04:50] <crack> tried installing a new version of grub
[04:50] <crack> but
[04:50] <crack> still doesnt work
[04:50] <drasko> crack, have you configured grub properly
[04:50] <crack> fresh install
[04:50] <crack> automatic
[04:50] <drasko> crack, does the booting in linux works?
[04:50] <crack> no
[04:50] <crack> xp knows its there
[04:50] <crack> but
[04:50] <crack> grub hangs
[04:51] <crack> doesnt boot
[04:51] <crack> cant even boot xp without fixing the mbr
[04:51] <drasko> how do you know xp knows?
[04:51] <crack> because when i get into disk management
[04:51] <crack> it sees linux
[04:51] <crack> on the second drive
[04:51] <crack> hdb
[04:51] <drasko> so you can boot xp
[04:51] <crack> only with editing my mbr
[04:52] <drasko> are the partitions on the same disk
[04:52] <crack> here is the hardware setup
[04:52] <crack> no
[04:52] <crack> hda is xp
[04:52] <crack> hdb is linux... ubuntu
[04:52] <drasko> that might be the problem
[04:52] <crack> no
[04:52] <crack> i have done it before
[04:52] <crack> i just had to reformat
[04:53] <crack> and set back up again
[04:53] <rapha> Hi all!
[04:53] <crack> and now, i cant get ubuntu to work
[04:53] <drasko> lost you there...
[04:53] <crack> well
[04:53] <ompaul> looksaus, what I would look at is check for "legal" traffic when you identify it grep -v that traffic building recursively until you have (A) found a machine doing something it should not (B) eliminated all machines other than the one you are on in which case you go to another one do the same and this time tcpdump -l | grep ip_first_box | tee >  foologic2 and read that if nothing wrong that you can spot take switch back to shop
[04:53] <crack> as long as you have a swap file
[04:53] <crack> on the first disk
[04:53] <crack> then you can boot either one
[04:54] <crack> as long as the swap is on the first disk
[04:54] <drasko> swap file?
[04:54] <crack> yea
[04:54] <crack> um
[04:54] <crack> you need a swap file to install linux... if you are dual booting
[04:54] <ompaul> crack, you can have a swap file on the second disk
[04:54] <drasko> yaes you can, but still try to boot from the floppy
[04:54] <crack> i thought it had to be on the first
[04:54] <drasko> then checkout grub.config
[04:54] <crack> i dont have a floppy
[04:55] <ompaul> back in a minutes
[04:55] <crack> they are useless
[04:55] <drasko> crack, ompaul is right... why not trying install grub on a second disk?
[04:56] <crack> i did
[04:56] <crack> could it be the media?
[04:56] <drasko> that way it will not erase mbr...
[04:56] <crack> i have the cds from ubuntu...
[04:56] <crack> ive tried 2 diff cds
[04:56] <crack> so i dont think its the media
[04:56] <ompaul> okay crack are you on a seperate machine?
[04:56] <crack> no
[04:57] <crack> my desktop
[04:57] <crack> is my dual booter...
[04:57] <crack> rofl
[04:57] <ompaul> crack not really a laughing matter :-)
[04:57] <crack> it is
[04:57] <crack> becuse i feel like a noob, but im not
[04:57] <ompaul> crack you have a live CD ?
[04:57] <crack> yep
[04:57] <drasko> it works?
[04:57] <crack> dont know
[04:57] <crack> havent tried that
[04:57] <drasko> oh...
[04:57] <ompaul> okay so boot it - mount the / of hdb
[04:57] <drasko> try it, man
[04:58] <crack> im sure it does
[04:58] <crack> can i get into xchat off the live cd?
[04:58] <drasko> yep
[04:58] <crack> k
[04:58] <crack> brb
[04:58] <haltok> what would you guys say are the "Must Have Programs" for ubuntu?
[04:58] <ompaul> crack if it is dsl you should
[04:59] <ompaul> haltok for what purpose?
[04:59] <haltok> just general use, as a desktop.
[04:59] <ompaul> then what it installed by default should get you by
[04:59] <haltok> for example : xchat, bitchx, etc.  not just chatting programs, but usablilty progs
[05:00] <bdale> jdub: flumotion in Debian is a "not yet", right?
[05:00] <HrdwrBoB> haltok: all of the stuff in ubuntu-desktop :)
[05:01] <haltok> ok i am with you on that...
[05:01] <Neil3> so who will be my valentine? :)
[05:01] <chibifs> I will, Neil3 :D
[05:01] <Neil3> thanks chibifs
[05:02] <chibifs> Red?!
[05:02] <Neil3> yeah
[05:02] <ompaul> r0Z3z ?
[05:02] <Neil3> hehehe
[05:02] <Neil3> r0Z0r
[05:02] <looksaus> ompaul: I made these logs, doing tcpdump -l|grep -v <ip eth0>|grep -v <ip eth1>| tee > testfile
[05:02] <chibifs> Go back to the store and get me green and blue polka-dotted ones. And chocolate wrapped in 24 carat gold leaf!
[05:02] <ompaul> looksaus, and
[05:02] <looksaus> and the only thing I find are arp requests when I do a broadcast ping
[05:03] <looksaus> this machine is the only one connected to the switch
[05:03] <ompaul> looksaus, so it looks like the hardware is the issue
[05:03] <looksaus> all other cables are disconnected
[05:03] <looksaus> ompaul: thx for helping me find out
[05:03] <ompaul> looksaus, it might just be
[05:04] <ompaul> looksaus, one other thing where the switch expected two machines to be connected?
[05:04] <ompaul> looksaus, but I doubt it
[05:04] <CarlK> haltok - have you seen this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrumpyGroundhog
[05:05] <looksaus> ompaul: not sure what you mean?
[05:05] <looksaus> you think it could expect me to have two machines connected?
[05:05] <looksaus> it had, until I removed all but one for troubleshooting
[05:06] <ompaul> ahh
[05:06] <ompaul> looksaus, and the lights all still blink
[05:07] <looksaus> yes, after some time
[05:07] <ompaul> looksaus, guess it is faulty then
[05:07] <looksaus> when I disconnect the power cord for a longer time
[05:07] <looksaus> it seems to keep stable for a somewhat longer period
[05:07] <looksaus> then suddenly start flashing
[05:07] <ompaul> so it is like it heats up and breaks down after a bit - what temp is it there with you today?
[05:07] <looksaus> it's winter over here
[05:08] <ompaul> and the room is ?
[05:08] <looksaus> and certainly not overheating in that room
[05:08] <ompaul> okay could it be too cold / humid?
[05:08] <looksaus> 15 degrees, quite dry
[05:08] <ompaul> 15oC ?
[05:08] <looksaus> (15 degrees Celsius)
[05:08] <looksaus> somewhat below room temperature
[05:09] <ompaul> throw it back to the supplier
[05:09] <looksaus> ompaul: k, thx for the help
[05:09] <ompaul> looksaus, and install ubuntu on all those desktops :-)
[05:10] <looksaus> ompaul: I'm afraid I used Debian on the server
[05:10] <ompaul> do not fear
[05:10] <looksaus> the desktops are in fact just thin clients
[05:10] <ompaul> ahh sure you said ltsp
[05:10] <looksaus> which is why the switch is _quite_ important
[05:10] <looksaus> :)
[05:10] <crack> it booted
[05:10] <crack> no prob
[05:11] <ompaul> crack, and you expected otherwise?
[05:11] <crack> no
[05:11] <crack> i didnt
[05:11] <ompaul> looksaus, enjoy :)
[05:11] <crack> but
[05:11] <crack> i dont want to run it from cd
[05:11] <ompaul> crack, are you on the CD  now?
[05:11] <crack> no
[05:11] <crack> i had to configure my etho
[05:11] <crack> to run xchat
[05:12] <haltok>  exut
[05:12] <crack> didnt feel like messin with that
[05:12] <crack> i have a feeling its a problem with grub
[05:12] <crack> the install
[05:12] <crack> can ubuntu use lilo?
[05:12] <chibifs> Yes, just not a good idea
[05:12] <crack> ah
[05:12] <felix_1> crack: I use lilo :-) ( hoary )
[05:12] <crack> kk
[05:13] <looksaus> bye
[05:13] <crack> is that older that warty?
[05:13] <chibifs> Hoary is the dev branch, :P
[05:13] <crack> oh
[05:13] <crack> ok
[05:13] <crack> well
[05:13] <crack> i will be back in about an hour
[05:13] <crack> gotta hit the gym
[05:13] <felix_1> chibifs: In my case it is because Grub won't install during hoary install
[05:13] <crack> maybe you guys will be on when i get back?
[05:13] <chibifs> Well, yeah, there are those random circumstances :P
[05:14] <ompaul> crack or someone might be here to assist
[05:14] <crack> kk
[05:14] <crack> thanks guys
[05:14] <crack> talk to ya soon
[05:14] <chibifs> But grub will replace it, some day-- Just like nano is replacing pico :P
[05:15] <ompaul> chibifs, nano - replacing pico - this is like emacs replacing vi :)
[05:15] <felix_1> chibifs: If Grub would use full FB 32 bit video mode for nice bootsplash ....
[05:15] <felix_1> hu... sorry: 24 bit ...
[05:16] <chibifs> :P felix, it's what we have over them. Advancement includes removing components-- That's why windows is so far behind. ^.~
[05:16] <felix_1> yeah!!! :-P
[05:16] <felix_1> (H)
[05:16] <Tirno> Hi
[05:16] <Tirno> I had to skip the network detection part during install
[05:17] <Tirno> and now the acpi monitor shows I have wireless
[05:17] <ompaul> Tirno,  ooch
[05:17] <Tirno> but I can't actually connect to the network
[05:17] <felix_1> I've  read some very good hoary in progress discutions and yes they want to use usplash with very NICE thinks
[05:17] <felix_1> things sorry
[05:19] <spiral_> anyone can tell me why this damned caudium included in hoary doesn't seem to handle my php files ?
[05:19] <ompaul> Tirno, let me move to a wireless box and I can see what I can pull from the history - take a couple of mins it is in a different room (hence the wireless)
[05:19] <xsnakex> hello
[05:20] <Tirno> thanks ompaul
[05:20] <caravena> Hello, $gcc -O3 -O2 source.c # -O3? -O2? priority?
[05:20] <xsnakex> can you help me my java is broken
[05:29] <ompaul_> Tirno, u were saying about wireless what does iwconfig give you back?
[05:30] <gaussian81> Hello all.  Quick (hopefully) easy question for everyone --> Before I grab and install Ubuntu, what are 2 or 3 things that set it apart.  I've been very impressed with screenshots so far, but I "don't what to judge a book by it's cover"
[05:30] <Neil3> its fast
[05:30] <Neil3> faster than fedora in my experience
[05:30] <Neil3> just as easy to use though
[05:30] <brrrt> ubuntu rocks !
[05:30] <Neil3> very stable so far too
[05:30] <gaussian81> ah.  is package management through apt or yum?
[05:30] <Neil3> apt
[05:30] <eyequeue> licensing / support
[05:30] <Neil3> its basically debian
[05:30] <gaussian81> nice
[05:30] <Neil3> the forums and community is great
[05:31] <Neil3> it won awards for best distro of the year 2004
[05:31] <ompaul_> gaussian81, it is debian++
[05:31] <gaussian81> is it gnome or kde focused?
[05:31] <brrrt> gnome
[05:31] <Neil3> gnome
[05:31] <Neil3> but you can use kde if you want to
[05:31] <Neil3> or fluxbox
[05:31] <Neil3> or whatever
[05:31] <jk> but there is an initiative ongoing for kde
[05:31] <jk> kubuntu
[05:31] <HrdwrBoB> gaussian81: it's an integrated, open desktop that's easy to use
[05:31] <eyequeue> or refrain from any gui
[05:31] <ompaul_> what is this kde you speak of?
[05:32] <brrrt> a desktoipmanager like gnome
[05:32] <gaussian81> wehave a mUCH easier time putting gnome in front of people.
[05:32] <Tirno> ompaul: lo no wireless extensions
[05:32] <Tirno> eth0 no wireless extensions
[05:32] <Tirno> eth1 iee802.11b ... [some stuff] 
[05:32] <gaussian81> nice.  I'll torrent it today
[05:32] <Neil3> i prefer gnome personally
[05:32] <gaussian81> me 2
[05:32] <Neil3> much lighter than kde, feels more elegant
[05:33] <Neil3> kde just has too much stuff going on for me
[05:33] <ompaul_> Tirno, do this "iwconfig eth1 essid any"
[05:33] <jk> yup
[05:33] <brrrt> i love gnome
[05:33] <jk> they need a UI cleanup badly
[05:33] <Grev> Does anyone here use Ubuntu as a server (web, samba, ftp)? what do you think of it?
[05:33] <gaussian81> my comanpy helps businesses move to Linux, KDE has NEVER been an easy sell
[05:33] <Neil3> i am using it as a samba server
[05:33] <brrrt> yes i tried ubuntu as server
[05:34] <Neil3> just to share a public folder on my network to the windows machines
[05:34] <Neil3> it works well
[05:34] <brrrt> php mysql postfix works great
[05:34] <jk> Grev: i'm using it as a small-traffic lamp server on an amd64, works fine
[05:34] <Grev> Neil3: web is what I'm most interested in
[05:34] <eyequeue> apache2 works well
[05:34] <Neil3> people are using it as a web server
[05:34] <jk> Grev: you can use the 'custom' install to not install X and so on
[05:34] <Neil3> but thats all extra stuff you have to do
[05:34] <Neil3> the default ubuntu is focused on the desktop
[05:35] <Tirno> ompaul_ : did that, doesn't seem to help
[05:35] <eyequeue> and with a gui
[05:35] <Grev> i love it as a desktop
[05:35] <jk> only problem i found is that i trust apache1 more for now, and the php in ubuntu is compiled for apache2
[05:35] <ompaul_> Tirno, then you do not seem to have a driver for the wireless device you have
[05:35] <brrrt> apache 1.3 work perfectly with ubuntus php
[05:35] <Tirno> hmmm
[05:35] <Tirno> and yet this is a reinstall
[05:36] <Tirno> I had it working 3 days ago
[05:36] <ompaul_> Tirno, which card are you using? (not that I have tried too many)
[05:36] <jk> brrrt: really...hmm...maybe i'll take a look again
[05:36] <ompaul_> Tirno, ahh hang on a sec
[05:36] <jk> brrrt: when i installed php, it installed apache2 too
[05:36] <Neil3> the ubuntu irc channel is a lot friendlier than a lot of other linux chans here
[05:36] <jk> while i already had apache1
[05:36] <Tirno> There's a bunch of stuff I didn't copy from what it says about eth1
[05:36] <gaussian81> oh. another question: anyone using Ubuntu as an LTSP server?  FYI: It's how we deploy 99% of our Linux desktops
[05:36] <ompaul_> Tirno, don't worry about that
[05:37] <brrrt> jk: then just install apache1.3 you'll see it works great
[05:37] <Tirno> Yeah, but I mean it seems to see a network
[05:37] <Tirno> it just doesn't use it
[05:37] <ompaul_> Tirno, if it worked before you should not have a problem now - click on that nice word at the top of the screen computer then network
[05:37] <ompaul_> sorry
[05:38] <LinuxJones> gaussian81, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LTSPHowTo/view?searchterm=ltsp
[05:38] <ompaul_> Tirno, computer ->  system configuration -> networking
[05:39] <gaussian81> Thx LinuxJones
[05:39] <ompaul_> Tirno, it should be very obvious what to do from there
[05:39] <Tirno> a thing came up in the taskbar, then disappeared
[05:39] <Tirno> I still have no window :/
[05:39] <ompaul_> Tirno, try a reboot
[05:40] <ompaul_> actually ignore that
[05:40] <gaussian81> Thanks for the help everyone.  This is a great (helpful) room.    l8r yall
[05:40] <Skwid_> ompaul: reboot medecine only works on windows :)
[05:40] <ompaul_> Tirno did you actually get to put in the password?
[05:40] <Tirno> nope
[05:40] <ompaul_> Skwid_, I remembered that see the second comment :)
[05:42] <ompaul_> Tirno, you need a dialog to put in the password - or you will not get to use the nice gui tool
[05:43] <MrCranky> howcome recent documents won't clear in Warty?
[05:43] <ompaul_> Question: is there a way to stop the last sudo lasting 5 mins?
[05:43] <ompaul_> without general disturbance of system?
[05:43] <Tirno> and why won't it ask for the password?
[05:44] <Tirno> and can I get the nice gui tool by sudo'ing it from the terminal?
[05:44] <ompaul_> it should
[05:44] <ompaul_> I suppose so let me look at what the command line is :-)
[05:45] <ompaul_> Tirno, it is "gksudo network-admin" just to keep it straight
[05:45] <MrCranky> ompaul_ you just go sudo -K to remove the "unlocking" of sudo
[05:45] <ompaul_> MrCranky, thanks
[05:46] <Tirno> ah
[05:46] <Tirno> got a window now
[05:46] <ompaul_> Tirno, it make sense to you?
[05:47] <Tirno> yah
[05:47] <nix000> anyone has clues/links on the easiest way to make the latest nvidia drivers work in ubuntu ? i am using a compaq presario laptop and the screen is all off for some reason
[05:47] <Tirno> all good now
[05:47] <Tirno> thanks a bunch
[05:48] <Tirno> any clue why I wasn't able to start the gui-thingy from computer->...->networking?
[05:48] <ompaul_> you did not click on it or the properties are wrong - have a look around you will figure it out
[05:48] <Tirno> ok
[05:49] <tck> nix000, try #nivdia
[05:49] <tck> or nvidia even :P
[05:49] <HrdwrBoB> nix000: if you run hoary (development version)
[05:49] <HrdwrBoB> it has the latest nvidia drivers
[05:49] <HrdwrBoB> ok bed
[05:50] <nix000> tck: how does one check the version of nvidia that came with hoary ?
[05:50] <tck> im not sure, try looking thru synaptic
[05:50] <nix000> oops i meant i am running warthy.
[05:51] <randabis> hoary has nvidia driver 1.0.66.62
[05:51] <randabis> the latest
[05:51] <ompaul> long walk down the stairs :)
[05:51] <nix000> HrdwrBoB, what version of nvidia came with warthy ?
[05:52] <randabis> 61.11
[05:53] <ompaul> idle &
[05:53] <ompaul> oops
[05:53] <nix000> randabis, thanks.
[06:01] <thux> can't install ubuntu-desktop cause ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk: Depends: ia32-libs
[06:01] <hawkman> Can anyone explain to me why a custom app launcher in Gnome, directed at the opera.sh file won't launch opera.. but clicking it in nautilus it opens instantly ?
[06:05] <dadasdasdasddaad> hey
[06:06] <dadasdasdasddaad> anyone not AFK..?
[06:06] <tck> holy shit, IA-64 is available for hoary
[06:06] <tobbe> Are there any known problems with hoary?
[06:06] <mg> hawkman: probably something to do with the working directory
[06:07] <dadasdasdasddaad> Someone wanna help me with setting up xmms
[06:09] <dadasdasdasddaad> hello...
[06:09] <fetus> anyone not afk
[06:10] <hawkman> mg, so any idea how I'd fix it ?
[06:10] <meuserj|work> fetus, just describe your problem.. and if someone can help, they will.
[06:10] <fetus> i did the apt-get xmms thingy
[06:10] <mg> hawkman: edit the launcher to run "cd /path/to/opera && ./opera.sh"
[06:11] <fetus> and now when i run xmms on termnal i get a long error
[06:11] <meuserj|work> fetus, what's the error?
[06:11] <fetus> i just need a player that will play mp3s , thats pretty much all i do this this box
[06:11] <fetus> lemme post it
[06:12] <fetus> usr@ubuntu:~ $ xmms
[06:12] <fetus> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:12] <fetus> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_m odid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[06:12] <beny> plop
[06:12] <fetus> thats when i type xmms in the terminal
[06:12] <meuserj|work> fetus, ah.. that's a known error.. can't remember where I read about it though....
[06:13] <fetus> do you think the xmms site would have docs about the error
[06:13] <meuserj|work> fetus, for the time being, take a look at Rhythmbox or Muine.. both very good players
[06:13] <nix000> anyone tell me why kernel-headers-2.6.8.1 does not reside in warty ? i installed a default warty and trying to get the matching kernel headers
[06:13] <meuserj|work> let me see if I can find where I read about the error...
[06:13] <fetus> ok thanks man
[06:13] <meuserj|work> np
[06:14] <DracosX> fetus: sudo apt-get install libmikmod2 - maybe that will help
[06:14] <spiral_> nix000: linux-source ?
[06:14] <fetus> is rhythem box under the apt get tree
[06:14] <meuserj|work> fetus, yeah
[06:15] <fetus> I love you man
[06:15] <fetus> xmms works now
[06:15] <fetus> thanks a billion
[06:15] <surrounder> hmm where can I change the keyboardlayout for console in ubuntu?
[06:15] <DracosX> yw :P
[06:16] <nix000> spiral_, i just need the headers so that the binary nvidia driver compiles
[06:17] <spiral_> nix000: I don't think they are separated... So you need both...
[06:19] <krism> goddamn i'm bored.
[06:19] <Skwid_> me too
[06:19] <krism> the sad thing is, im at work
[06:20] <fetus> meh, xmms is pissin me off. Im getting static in my music
[06:20] <ompaul> krism, Skwid_ for ubuntu write code :)
[06:20] <fetus> damn soundcard
[06:20] <krism> i just dont feel like working. and ive got my stuff done, too.
[06:20] <Cuga_> krism, come do my work
[06:20] <krism> ompaul : eh, like what?
[06:20] <Skwid_> ompaul: like ?
[06:20] <krism> lol ;)
[06:21] <ompaul> krism, a programming extention to python wxpython an idle so that you get code written in one window and output in another and in a third listings of modules or some such
[06:21] <ompaul> :)
[06:21] <krism> ompaul : http://xemacs.org/
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[06:21] <Skwid_> LoL
[06:22] <fetus> anyone wanna guide me to fixing the static on my soundcard
[06:22] <krism> Skwid_ : what kind of coding you into?
[06:22] <ompaul> krism, sorry did I not say it was to be a modle editor instead of idle aweeee
[06:22] <ompaul> :)
[06:22] <Skwid_> php mostly
[06:23] <Skwid_> but it has been a while :)
[06:23] <Cuga_> fetus, thats usually not cause by something you can fix, just as best practice, move the sound card as far away from other cards as possible
[06:23] <krism> ompaul : ?! stop putting extra L's everywhere :p
[06:23] <fetus> i have a shuttle so moving its not possible
[06:23] <krism> Skwid_ : ah
[06:23] <Grev> my computer no longer auto mount usb drive, and idea why?
[06:23] <krism> Grev : it has a headache?
[06:23] <Cuga_> ah shuttles are cramp... might be outta luck
[06:23] <fetus> no static under winxp pro sp2 , hrm.
[06:24] <krism> Skwid_ : kinda wanting to resurect an old project of mine, "universal configuration tool" at.. http://unct.sf.net/ IIRC
[06:24] <Grev> krism: kinda
[06:24] <fetus> its a chaintech AV-710, Via Envy 24/192bit card
[06:24] <krism> Grev : lol, sorry, i dont have anything useful to say.
[06:24] <Skwid_> krism: reading
[06:24] <Cuga_> you using ALSA or OSS
[06:24] <fetus> alsa
[06:24] <krism> Skwid_ : its been dead a few years
[06:24] <Skwid_> wait what is it ?
[06:25] <felix_1> is onyone used with php??
[06:25] <krism> Skwid_ : was going to be a 'control panel' for unixes - to configurr /etc
[06:25] <Skwid_> oh ok
[06:25] <krism> since that point, it seems like itd be a much better idea
[06:26] <krism> to use xml style sheets to transform the varying formats in /etc to something a tool could easily read
[06:26] <Cuga_> fetus, well i can't help you then, i had similar problem but then moving it couple of slots over away from my tvtuner got rid of all my static
[06:26] <meuserj|work> krism, interesting idea...
[06:26] <Skwid_> krism: i see
[06:26] <AlphaXero> is it possible to use the hoary-live cd as a source for a dist-upgrade?
[06:26] <fetus> yes i am master!
[06:26] <fetus> fixed
[06:26] <Cuga_> fetus, what you do
[06:26] <meuserj|work> krism, xslt is usually only used for XML to Anything.. not Anything to XML
[06:26] <felix_1> is onyone used with php??
[06:27] <meuserj|work> felix_1, yeah... that's my career...
[06:27] <Skwid_> used with php ?
[06:27] <fetus> i changed back to OSS, then i changed audio device and mixer device to use alternate under Devices
[06:27] <Skwid_> used by php ?
[06:27] <Skwid_> :)
[06:27] <AlphaXero> i wanted to upgrade my distro, but cant go through with a 600meg download
[06:27] <krism> meuserj|work , Skwid_ .: i spoke "inexactly" when i said that
[06:27] <fetus> if anyone wants a damn good soundcard then get a chaintech av-710
[06:27] <krism> meuserj|work : i mean a 'custom' XML format; one per file format in /etc -
[06:27] <Cuga_> fetus, so it works better for you as OSS, guess theres a first time for everything :)
[06:27] <meuserj|work> krism, I see
[06:27] <fetus> yea cuga
[06:28] <fetus> just had to play around with settings, now time to transfer over 52gb of music
[06:28] <krism> meuserj|work : ill have to make a web page / etc about.. right now it's all ina tablet. frustrating to try & explain <g>
[06:28] <felix_1> meuserj|work : i lways have pecre_match function call errors ( -3 ) what that means ( i know pcre is regex ) but dunoo why it gives errors
[06:28] <Skwid_> in a tablet ?
[06:28] <Skwid_> going to dinner
[06:29] <krism> Skwid_ : the paper kind ;)
[06:29] <Cuga_> fetus, not sure on the mechanics of each of teh sound platforms but OSS is being depreciated so wouldn't surpise me that its dropped a few channels but that would have a good impact for the noise..
[06:29] <fetus> @cuga, yea its weird, its a 7.1 channel card. I was about to go back to winders but i got my sound card workin
[06:30] <Cuga_> i dont think you'll get more then 4 channels from it on linux... unless im wrong
[06:30] <fetus> never used more then 2
[06:30] <felix_1> meuserj|work: that is the reeor: preg_match: internal pcre_fullinfo() error -3 in
[06:30] <felix_1> errors --- i mean
[06:33] <felix_1> meuserj|work: You are already better then me knowing where to look in docs ;-)
[06:34] <meuserj|work> felix_1, heh.. couldn't find anything about preg_match returning errors though.. seems like it's an internal error of the pcre module... try calling the pcre_fullinfo() function to see more detail of the error.
[06:34] <tommo> Hi there, does anyone know what's going on with the install from usb-stick feature in hoary?
[06:35] <tommo> is there any documentation available?
[06:35] <felix_1> meuserj|work:: yeah! you are right - give some sceonds to see what it does ...:-) thanx very much tho
[06:35] <meuserj|work> felix_1, np
[06:36] <Tirno> hi again. I'm trying to install java 1.5
[06:36] <Tirno> there are two methods suggested on wiki
[06:36] <fetus> anyone know of any good ftp proggies under the apt get tree
[06:37] <meuserj|work> fetus, gftp is good
[06:37] <fetus> hrm
[06:37] <fetus> it doesnt work for me
[06:37] <fetus> says its not under the tree
[06:37] <meuserj|work> fetus, have you added "universe" to your apt line?
[06:37] <fetus> if it didnt come with the install then no
[06:37] <Tirno> one is to add a server which has the packages to sources.list - that failed for some reason
[06:38] <eyequeue> see BreakMyUbuntu in the wiki, for the universe repository
[06:38] <eyequeue> fetus:  ^
[06:38] <Tirno> the other is to install java-package and make my own package, that failed as well
[06:38] <pertz> Anyone here know how to use mkinitrd?
[06:39] <mjt> pertz: you don't "use" it most of the time ;)
[06:39] <pertz> Have to in this case.
[06:39] <mjt> i mean, it's used for boot (for a short time) and not after
[06:39] <pertz> It first came to my attention because it's storing the wrong uuid for my RAID1 boot array - which prevents it from loading.
[06:40] <pertz> The next problem is that I'm trying to change my kernel and it's got all old crap in it.
[06:40] <mjt> aha, here we go.. root on raid ;)
[06:40] <pertz> (the cramfs generated by mkinitrd it is).
[06:40] <pertz> Yes, I had it working until I tried to upgrade my kernel.
[06:40] <mjt> ..by mkinitrd
[06:41] <mjt> it's using mdassemble, right?
[06:41] <pertz> Yes.
[06:41] <mjt> (i never looked at how initrd is done in ubuntu)
[06:41] <felix_1> pcre_fullinfo(): I went to GOOGLE then somone wrote about the same error as mine. The answer was it is possibly pcre lib broken :-=(!!!! I have to say I am running hoary array-cd #4 ...
[06:41] <mjt> pertz: do you have correct /etc/mdadm.conf (or /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf) ?
[06:41] <crack> hey guys
[06:42] <pertz> Yes, but they don't get used because the array has to be mounted before those can be consulted.
[06:42] <pertz> Tell me, if I just dump the cramfs, is there any chance this will work without it?
[06:42] <mjt> pertz: i mean, the uuid may come from there after all, and it should be correct
[06:42] <pertz> It doesn't come from there.
[06:43] <mjt> mkinitrd may get it from mdadm.conf, that is
[06:43] <pertz> It's coming from a script file in the cram image that gets loaded at boot. The cram image is wrong (hence my need for mkinitrd), while my config file is right.
[06:43] <pertz> I think it does.
[06:43] <pertz> And when I try to generate it, it gets that part right.
[06:43] <mjt> aha
[06:44] <pertz> What it gets horribly wrong, is that it's trying to use the then running kernel - not the one I want to boot when I'm done.
[06:44] <mjt> hmm?
[06:44] <mjt> i can't parse that sentense.
[06:44] <krism> meuserj|work : can i dcc you a file?
[06:44] <pertz> I compiled and installed my kernel - I've not yet booted.
[06:44] <krism> meuserj|work (re the xml config thing)
[06:45] <pertz> I need to run mkinitrd to fix the image so I can boot.
[06:45] <mjt> pertz: hopefully you left your current, working kernel intact before installing new one ;)
[06:45] <pertz> mkinitrd wants to use the current environment (hence currently running kernel), instead of what I'm trying to get running.
[06:45] <meuserj|work> I'm behind a corprate firewall.. can't dcc
[06:45] <meuserj|work> krism, ^
[06:45] <krism> meuserj|work : one sec ;)
[06:45] <gazakii> hi
[06:45] <crack> hi
[06:46] <mjt> pertz: mkinitrd can be told to use whatever kernel version (at least) you want -- it's the primary job of mkinitrd to generate an image for not-yet-running kernel
[06:46] <krism> meuserj|work : http://evilpen.net/xconfig.txt
[06:46] <pertz> I can go back to it if I want. (and I can boot the whole mess from the rescue disk and do a chroot), but I want to get my new kernel running.
[06:46] <krism> meuserj|work it's not exactly complete.. quick run through.
[06:46] <crack> anyone want to help me getting grub working?
[06:46] <pertz> I give it a kernel version but it then loads the wrong modules - the ones from the old instead of the new.
[06:46] <krism> meuserj|work : interesting stuff is at bottom.
[06:47] <crack> anyone?
[06:47] <pertz> I don't know where it's getting this list of modules it thinks it needs to load at boot time either.
[06:47] <pertz> We get crap like in the currently running, raid1 is a module. In the new, raid1 is compiled in (hence no module).
[06:47] <theine> hi, is it possible to install mplayer codecs into a users home directory?
[06:47] <eyequeue> crack:  what's the error?
[06:47] <crack> grub loading.....
[06:48] <crack> never loads
[06:48] <theine> ... so that mplayer actually finds them
[06:48] <pertz> Well it's off trying to load raid1 module (which doesn't exist in the new one because I compiled it in).
[06:48] <mjt> pertz: well, i really can't help you with that stuff (i never saw mkinitrd from ubuntu, i use my own homegrown mkinitrd).  After all, as it seems you're quite expirienced, you can run it in debug mode (sh -x mkinitrd ...).  All the config should be mentioned in its manpage
[06:48] <scoon> theine, i would guess yes.
[06:48] <duckdown> Anybody know why eterm wont apt-get install properly?  No binary is placed
[06:48] <gazakii> i've been looking for the kernel-source package  by browsing through the ftp. I cant use synptic because i need the kernel source to get my modem to work. I found kernel-source-2.6.8_2.6.8-7_all.deb. but the kernel warty has is 2.6.8.1-3-386. is this the correct package anyway?
[06:48] <theine> sccon: cool
[06:48] <scoon> theine, i would guess that there would be some sort of ENV var that could get set
[06:48] <pertz> Read and reread the manapage. Not familiar with the sh -x though. I'll try that.
[06:49] <sjoerd> duckdown: the binary is called Eterm..
[06:49] <eyequeue> gazakii:  look for linux-source-*
[06:49] <duckdown> sjoerd: well holy shit
[06:49] <duckdown> sjoerd: it is too.. THANKS
[06:49] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hi
[06:49] <gazakii> linux not kernel?
[06:49] <pertz> Part of my problem is my experience is very spotty. You'll find I know a ton about certain things and then almost next to nothing about other things you would assume closely related.
[06:49] <eyequeue> gazakii:  kernel-* is debian, iirc
[06:49] <gazakii> oh
[06:49] <mjt> pertz: also, if you do have all the reqd modules compiled in, you can boot with md=X,/dev/A,/dev/B,/dev/C where X is the minor number of yoru array (md1, md2 etc) and /dev/A etc are the components.  It's less reliable than mdassemble if you change your drives, but it works in other cases.
[06:50] <mjt> (without initrd ofcourse)
[06:50] <gazakii> thanks
[06:50] <pertz> I wondered about that, but since I have to change the cramfs either way, it's only useful for future purposes.
[06:50] <gazakii> and i was wondering why it was in universe
[06:50] <mjt> pertz: hey, you know alot of stuff (modules, guuid of the arrays) - more than enouth to understand what's going on
[06:50] <gazakii> ...
[06:50] <pertz> Thanks though, I'll keep that in mind.
[06:51] <pertz> Yea, but I've never heard of sh -x.
[06:51] <mjt> heh, so why do you think i mentioned it? ;-P
[06:51] <pertz> :)
[06:51] <mjt> (IF it's a shell script - i think it is)
[06:52] <pertz> (This is actually my first time on ubuntu - I've wandered over from Debian to get my feet wet)
[06:53] <pertz> Now how do I pipe that to less?
[06:54] <gazakii> ...there's actually 2 packages there. linux-source-2.6.8.1_2.6.8.1-16.10_all.deb and linux-source-2.6.8.1_2.6.8.1-16_all.deb which one should i get? I'm running the preview
[06:54] <mjt> pertz: the output goes to fd#2 (stderr), so ... 2>&1 | less
[06:54] <gazakii> warty preview that is
[06:54] <Tirno> I can't seem to install java-common
[06:55] <pertz> Thanks :)
[06:55] <Tirno> I have universe and multiverse in my sources.list
[06:55] <krism> AGH
[06:55] <krism> don't do 'cvs co .'
[06:55] <Tirno> where is it supposed to be?
[06:55] <krism> i was in .../project/ and figured doing 'cvs co .' would update the whole project.. lol <g>
[06:55] <pertz> Man this would be useful for a ton of thinks! :)
[06:55] <eyequeue> gazakii:  i'd say the former
[06:56] <pertz> s/thinks/things/
[06:56] <mjt> pertz: for shell scripts. for binaries, the ultimate tool is strace ;)
[06:56] <gazakii> you mean the first one right. thanks and sorry for this silly questions
[06:56] <AlphaXero> trying to use the hoary-live cd as a source for a dist-upgrade, anyone have experience with this?
[06:57] <munkee> mako: as the unofficial traffic nitpicker, how can 427 people post of which 456 posted last week? or am I not parsing that sentance correctly
[06:57] <eyequeue> AlphaXero:  typically live cds are not useful for installs
[06:58] <duckdown> Ughhh.... How come when I click and install the missing plugins in firefox (macromedia flash) and I accept the terms, etc. and it looks like everything installs, yet it friggin doesnt
[06:58] <duckdown> can I apt-get it some how
[06:58] <eyequeue> AlphaXero:  i don't believe you'll find any "repository-like" things on there, no .debs, just unpacked files
[06:58] <AlphaXero> eyequeue, hoary is supposed to be pretty much the same on the live
[06:58] <AlphaXero> oh ok
[06:58] <AlphaXero> that makes sense
[06:59] <eyequeue> AlphaXero:  livecds are pretty tight on available space
[06:59] <jacoboworldwide> hi, i'm trying to install a canon lide 55 under ubuntu, i think i haven't a kerne module loaded, any clues?
[06:59] <subterrific> duckdown: use synaptic and search for flash
[06:59] <AlphaXero> gotcha, thanks eyequeue
[06:59] <eyequeue> np
[07:01] <acidmaxd> can someone tell me where to find help for ipsec setup? (except the howtos)
[07:02] <darkling> acidmaxd: Probably not. I had great trouble finding anything on setting up ipsec under Linux.
[07:03] <acidmaxd> darkling: i need a clear documentation how to set up ipsec VPN gateway (not in transport or tunnel mode)
[07:04] <darkling> Umm... transport and tunnel mode are all you get, AFAIK.
[07:04] <duckdown> Are there any other transparent terminals?  Eterm leaves a bunch of nasty characters everywhere
[07:04] <darkling> My experience is you won't find clear documentation anywhere.
[07:05] <acidmaxd> darkling: so, my clients cannot use ipsec to secure their connections to my gateway
[07:05] <acidmaxd> darkling: what do you suggest? openvpn? tinc?
[07:05] <darkling> No, you can use transport or tunnel mode to do it, depending on the configuration of the clients and the end-point.
[07:05] <acidmaxd> darkling: maybe i am doing something wrong. may i explain?
[07:06] <darkling> Go ahead. I may not necessarily be able to help, though.
[07:06] <darkling> My experiences of ipsec haven't been very good.
[07:07] <D|m3> hi i need help. I'm new to Linux and i want to install Kdevelop. I downloaded the .tar.gz file and i don't know how to install. Pls HElp me!
[07:07] <acidmaxd> We have a big, insecure LAN here. some people are sniffing, arp-poisoning, and so on. the clients must use encrypted connection to the gateway
[07:07] <LinuxJones> D|m3, you can download kdevelop if you want using apt/synaptic
[07:08] <acidmaxd> when i set up ipsec in transport mode, the connection between these two machines is encripted, but not this, that is just passing thru the gateway to internet
[07:09] <acidmaxd> darkling: i guess ipsec is point-to-point only :(
[07:09] <darkling> Yes, it's P-t-P only, *but*
[07:09] <mako> munkee: i rewrote that script last night.. sounds like you found a bug :)
[07:09] <darkling> you can configure it so that it only encrypts part of the way on a journey,
[07:09] <darkling> which is what I tried to do with my system.
[07:09] <LinuxJones> D|m3, go here and add the universe repository >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:09] <acidmaxd> darkling: that's exactly what i want
[07:09] <duckdown> Flash on Ubuntu AMD64 will NOT work.. it now makes my firefox fuckin seg fault
[07:10] <acidmaxd> darkling: client -> gateway -> external gateway -> internet
[07:10] <D|m3> thanks
[07:10] <darkling> acidmaxd: I was trying to use it for my laptop when it's wireless.
[07:10] <acidmaxd> darkling: client -encrypted-> gateway -dmz (secure)-> internet
[07:10] <gdi2k> Hi, I'm having trouble getting the installation going. After the splash screen, the kernel is unpacked, then it just says "Ready." and does not continue. I've checked the CD on another machine, and it runs fine. It's just on this machine. Any ideas?
[07:10] <Riddell> D|m3: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[07:10] <darkling> I use tunnel mode.
[07:11] <darkling> Umm... one sec...
[07:11] <acidmaxd> darkling: what secure policies do i need?
[07:11] <D|m3> thanks again
[07:11] <D|m3> bye
[07:11] <D|m3> :)
[07:12] <darkling> acidmaxd: /join #ipsec-flood
[07:14] <gdi2k> no takers? I've tried most of the boot parameters involving hardware detection, acpi and disabling splash
[07:15] <LinuxJones> gdi2k, you could try re-setting your system's bios. I have had to do that on a few occasions over the years :D
[07:16] <mantiena> mdz, hi
[07:17] <mdz> mantiena: hi
[07:17] <gdi2k> I did have to upgrade the bios recently, maybe resetting to defaults would help?
[07:18] <LinuxJones> gdi2k, usually it is reset to default during the upgrade
[07:19] <gdi2k> it's strange, because I've booted Linux off CD many times before. Knoppix was fine, as was Gentoo's live CD, and RedHat a couple of years back
[07:19] <LinuxJones> gdi2k, has your hard drive been found correctly in the bios setup ?
[07:19] <gdi2k> I think so, yes
[07:19] <jelte> hiya.... anyone know why it would take my cdrom an estimated 50 min to copy 400mb off a cd on to my hd ?   (its an ide LITE-ON LTR-40125W   40x12x48)
[07:19] <LinuxJones> gdi2k, that's the only other thing that I can think of off the top of my head
[07:20] <gdi2k> ok, I'll check it out and see if resetting it makes any difference. thx for your help!
[07:20] <LinuxJones> jelte, DMA might be disabled on your cd
[07:20] <LinuxJones> gdi2k, GL
[07:21] <jelte> LinuxJones, how can i see that?  hdparm -i just lists the modes, not if the options are turned on...
[07:21] <krism> jelte : no options, just 'hdparm /device'
[07:21] <LinuxJones> jelte, ls -al /dev/cdrom
[07:22] <LinuxJones> jelte, then hdparm /dev/hdx
[07:22] <krism> LinuxJones ?
[07:22] <LinuxJones> krism, what ?
[07:22] <krism> ah, i assumed he already knew what device (as he used -i)
[07:22] <krism> LinuxJones re the ls -al /dev/cdrom
[07:23] <LinuxJones> krism, I don't assume anything :D
[07:23] <krism> ;) the better policy
[07:23] <jelte> krism, LinuxJones yep, i'm using /dev/hdc   and dma is on, so is unmaskirq and 32 bit support
[07:23] <jelte> ;-(
[07:23] <krism> so what's the problem? (i missed that part)
[07:23] <jelte> it just keeps spinning up, wizzing a bit, but then dies down again... problem is its is estimating 50 min to copy 400mb or so from cd to hd
[07:24] <mebaran> Anyone here able to help me troublshoot a weird ALSA proble,?
[07:24] <mebaran> I just installed Arry 4 AMD64
[07:24] <krism> jelte : does it happen with every cd, or just one?
[07:24] <LinuxJones> krism, maybe it's turned off on your hard drive
[07:24] <jelte> maybe its just slow because its a load of small files (?)
[07:24] <crimsun> mebaran: shoot.
[07:24] <mebaran> and ALSA makes no noise, despite that I have loaded all the modules and the mixer
[07:24] <mebaran> crimsun
[07:24] <krism> jelte : that will slow it down, but im wondering if it's just a dirty cd / laser, etc.
[07:24] <jelte> LinuxJones, unmasking, dma and 32 all on for both hd and cdrom
[07:25] <mebaran> same one as yesterday
[07:25] <jelte> krism, could be...  it was so slow yesterday, i couldn't even successfully boot up knoppix from it!
[07:25] <adam_> hello
[07:25] <LinuxJones> jelte, your cdrom  disk is not full of dust/dirt ?
[07:25] <crimsun> mebaran: lspci -v line for your sound chipset -> pastebin.ca
[07:25] <krism> jelte : yikes man :) try cleaning it
[07:25] <crimsun> mebaran: lsmod -> pastebin.ca
[07:25] <mebaran> my sound chipset is an emu10k1
[07:25] <mebaran> sure of that
[07:25] <mebaran> Creative Audigy 2
[07:25] <adam_> how do i change my name in xchat?
[07:25] <jelte> LinuxJones, could be... i'll have a go at cleaning it... but i'd be surprised its that dirty... we'll see ;-)
[07:25] <crimsun> adam_: /nick foo
[07:26] <LinuxJones> jelte, :D
[07:26] <jelte> dont have cleaning cd stuff though... will just have to wait for the copy
[07:26] <crimsun> mebaran: /proc/asound/devices -> pastebin.ca
[07:26] <adam_> adam_: /crack
[07:26] <edulix> how can I use nvidia driver in hoary? (and with kernel 2.6.10 shipped of course)
[07:26] <krism> jelte : rofl sheesh ;)
[07:27] <crimsun> edulix: follow the directions on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:27] <adam_> adam_: /crack foo
[07:27] <neighborlee> hi gents..anyone know how I fix problem of not being able to  host games on my connection ?..I have a 5 port hub and I suspect thats it as I have no firewall...but I just can't host games as when someone trys to join it times out..any hints ? ;(
[07:27] <adam_> rofl
[07:27] <jelte> krism, odd thing was that when i did an hdparm -t on the knoppix cd it gave i/o errors, but other cd's were fine....
[07:27] <adam_> name crack
[07:27] <adam_> rofl
[07:28] <krism> jelte : hmm.. i  wonder if the drive itself is going bad?
[07:28] <mebaran> sent them both crimsun
[07:28] <jelte> krism, yeah thats kinda what i was thinking too... no way a bit of dust gives this odd behaviour
[07:28] <mebaran> what was the mixer file you recommended me delete
[07:28] <mebaran> I might try that
[07:28] <jelte> oh well... once i have enough money i'll buy myself a nice and new sparkling powerboor ;-)
[07:28] <mebaran> again
[07:28] <no0tic> how to change keyboard layout switching shortcut?
[07:28] <mebaran> well I never quite got to it before
[07:29] <krism> jelte : ;)
[07:29] <crack> i think that worked
[07:29] <krism> jelte : im tempted to buy one, but im nervous about PPC linux - wondering if ill have a lot of trouble getting random packages to compile.
[07:29] <mantiena> mdz, I'm writing livecd installer (d-i component, which replaces base-installer and copies all files from liveCD into hard disk, prepared by debian-installer's partitioner), but have some troubles with testing my component :( Could you tell me how are you testing casper ?
[07:29] <mantiena> mdz, I started d-i with command: sudo chroot $TREE bin/sh -c "export DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 ; /usr/bin/debconf-loadtemplate debian /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.templates; exec /usr/share/debconf/frontend /usr/bin/main-menu"
[07:29] <mantiena> but it started only one time, asked a question about language and stopped - I see only blue screen :(
[07:30] <crack> what is the transparency program for xchat?
[07:30] <jelte> krism, yeah not too sure about that either... thinking of buying one and sticking with Mac OS for a bit to see what its like... but too afraid they'll come out with the G5 some point this year... not sure if i can wait though... dillemas dillemas... ;-)
[07:30] <mdz> mantiena: I test by booting d-i
[07:30] <tritium> crack, it's a setting, not a separate program
[07:30] <crack> oh
[07:30] <crack> ok i will work with it
[07:30] <mdz> mantiena: have you read the messages that I've written on the mailing list about this feature?
[07:31] <mdz> mantiena: ->#ubuntu-devel, please
[07:31] <crack> is it the background? or the tint?
[07:31] <zenrox> settings in xchat
[07:31] <crack> got it
[07:31] <krism> jelte : eh, no real interest for me in osx. maybe ill get an older desktop mac and try ubuntu ppc on that first ;)
[07:31] <crimsun> mebaran: amixer -> pastebin.ca
[07:32] <krism> jelte (e.g. before plopping 2k on a powerbook)
[07:32] <jelte> krism, let us know how you get on ;-)
[07:32] <krism> jelte sure
[07:33] <krism> ion ?..I have a 5 port hub and I suspect thats
[07:34] <crack> hey guys
[07:34] <mebaran> ok crimsun
[07:34] <mebaran> done
[07:34] <gdi2k> LinuxJones: Hey, back again with the install prob. Tried resetting bios, now the screen is black, with a blinking cursor - no more 'Ready.'. The HDDs are definitely being fully and correctly detected by the bios
[07:34] <crack> whats the command for me to be able to see my ntfs drive?
[07:34] <krism> agh sorry about that
[07:34] <krism> accidental middle click
[07:34] <topyli> standard question: anybody with p3nfs or irda experience here?
[07:35] <crimsun> mebaran: did it work with warty?
[07:35] <mebaran> yeah
[07:35] <mebaran> it also worked with array 2
[07:35] <crimsun> mebaran: are you using stereo out or spdif?
[07:35] <zenrox> crack,  easy read www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:35] <mebaran> but I had to reinstall because my whol system got borked
[07:35] <mebaran> I am using stereo out
[07:35] <crack> ok
[07:35] <crack> thanks
[07:35] <mebaran> or at least that is want to use
[07:36] <mebaran> do you know where I could find the old images
[07:36] <mebaran> of Hoary
[07:36] <mebaran> Xfree never played nice with my snd card
[07:36] <zenrox> mebaran, you could of tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa
[07:37] <zenrox> mebaran, upgrade to hoary
[07:37] <mebaran> I have
[07:37] <mebaran> on Array 4
[07:37] <crimsun> mebaran: XFree86 doesn't mess with sound...
[07:37] <mebaran> I need an older install disk maybe
[07:37] <mebaran> no
[07:37] <crimsun> mebaran: sec, I'm cross-referencing docs.
[07:37] <mebaran> It never played nice with my vid card
[07:38] <mebaran> totally unrelated problems
[07:38] <mebaran> it is the reason Warty was never a pleasant experience
[07:38] <crimsun> (right, you said "snd card" above)
[07:38] <zenrox> like irq wise
[07:38] <mebaran> crimsun, I just got up
[07:38] <mebaran> heheh
[07:39] <mebaran> I need to stop multitasking
[07:40] <zenrox> linux has its ways of making you do that
[07:41] <crimsun> mebaran: unmute and increase the volume for Analog Mix
[07:42] <mebaran> no dice
[07:43] <crimsun> nothing's muted, correct?
[07:43] <crack> i want to throw a new theme for my desktop... where can i get some good ones?
[07:43] <mebaran> there is nothing muted
[07:43] <mebaran> I am doing everything from alsamixer
[07:43] <klaym> www.gnome-look.org
[07:43] <tsjubu> http://art.gnome.org
[07:43] <mebaran> speaker-test keeps looping the front left speaker
[07:43] <fetus> hey guys
[07:43] <crack> im there, but i dont know which ones are for the panels
[07:44] <fetus> anyone know how i can find my second hard disk
[07:44] <jelte> fetus, look under the bed?  (sorry... couldn't resist...)
[07:44] <crack> got it
[07:44] <fetus> lol@ jelite
[07:44] <fetus> lol
[07:45] <crimsun> mebaran: sounds like routing's messed up. Have you enabled any of the routing controls?
[07:45] <mebaran> I didnt touch them yet
[07:45] <jelte> fetus, seriously, what do you mean 'find it' ?
[07:45] <fetus> under computer it only shows one
[07:45] <fetus> i have 2 x 80gb
[07:45] <jelte> fetus, i think it wont be mounted then
[07:45] <fetus> ones sata and ones ATA
[07:45] <fetus> the os is installed on the SATA
[07:46] <jelte> fetus, try 'sudo mkdir /seconddisk'  and then 'sudo mount /dev/hdb /seconddisk'  or something along those lines
[07:46] <mebaran> crimsun, how would I do that
[07:47] <mebaran> or thos just the send routing and such
[07:47] <jk> anyone know a free call-in number (modem connection) for internet in Germany?
[07:47] <crack> wow, ive forgotten just how configurable linux is
[07:47] <crack> especially ubuntu
[07:48] <mebaran> anyone here using an audigy 2 in alsa
[07:48] <crimsun> mebaran: mute the audigy analog/digital output
[07:48] <fetus> jelite, usr@ubuntu:~ $ sudo mount /dev/hdb /seconddisk
[07:48] <fetus> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[07:48] <crack> is there another place for ubuntu apps? so i dont keep bothering you guys with simple stuff?
[07:48] <crimsun> fetus: you can't mount a device, you must mount a partition on a device.
[07:49] <crimsun> fetus: (e.g., /dev/hdb1, not /dev/hdb)
[07:49] <mebaran> great the volume control crashed
[07:49] <fetus> ah thansk
[07:49] <jelte> ah yes, sorry ;-)
[07:49] <jelte> i did say 'something along those lines'  ;-)
[07:49] <fetus> heh
[07:50] <fetus> anyone know a command or utill that can help me partition the second drive
[07:50] <crimsun> fetus: sudo cfdisk /dev/hdb
[07:50] <mebaran> digital are both muted
[07:50] <mebaran> I am using aumix now
[07:51] <jelte> fetus, if that works for you, you might want to add that to the /etc/fstab
[07:51] <crimsun> mebaran: trying ,,aplay -Dplughw:0 foo.wav'' gives you...?
[07:52] <fetus> no jelite it says , "fatal error cannot open disk drive":
[07:53] <fetus> whats the command where it tells you system specs and or hard disk space
[07:53] <njan> fetus, hard disk space = df -h
[07:53] <njan> fetus, what do you mean by system specs?
[07:53] <mebaran> it plays
[07:53] <mebaran> but no sound comes out
[07:53] <Raksu> cat /var/log/dmesg :)
[07:54] <crimsun> mebaran: you say you can hear something from speaker-test?
[07:54] <mebaran> no
[07:54] <mebaran> it lopps the front left
[07:54] <njan> Raksu, dmesg :p
[07:54] <mebaran> but no sound comes out
[07:54] <fetus> @njan , i remember one of my buddies sayin somthing about a /proc or somthing like that being a command where it would show specs
[07:54] <mebaran> except high high pitched static
[07:54] <mebaran> like barely hearable
[07:54] <crimsun> what alsa version does array 2 use?
[07:54] <edulix> crimsun
[07:54] <edulix> crimsun: sorry I was away
[07:55] <njan> fetus, /proc is the part of the filing system in linux where information like procesor type, etc, is kept while the system is running; but there's no specific command to give you 'system specs', you'd just have to cat the relevant object in /proc
[07:55] <njan> s/procesor/processor/
[07:55] <mebaran> I wouldnt know
[07:55] <mebaran> linuxinfo
[07:55] <mebaran> will
[07:55] <crimsun> edulix: see above.
[07:55] <mebaran> if you install it
[07:55] <mebaran> it gives you more detailed info
[07:55] <fetus> usr@ubuntu:~ $ df -h
[07:55] <fetus> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[07:55] <fetus> /dev/sda1              73G   29G   41G  42% /
[07:55] <fetus> tmpfs                 443M     0  443M   0% /dev/shm
[07:55] <crack> how do i start wine?
[07:55] <njan> yeah, you'd have to use a script like mebaran says
[07:55] <crack> just type in wine in console?
[07:55] <fetus> hrm, invisible disk
[07:56] <njan> fetus, invisible disk? what do you mean?
[07:56] <fetus> i have 2 80gb in this box
[07:56] <fetus> it shows one
[07:56] <njan> fetus, it probably isn't mounted
[07:56] <fetus> the installer saw 2
[07:56] <scoon> fetus, then one is prolly not mounted
[07:56] <njan> fetus, dmesg |grep sd
[07:56] <fetus> any idea how to mount it
[07:56] <scoon> fetus, type mount to see what is mounted
[07:56] <njan> fetus, assuming it's the same type as your other one, it's probably called /dev/sdb, with the first partition being /dev/sdb1, etc
[07:56] <fetus> usr@ubuntu:~ $ mount
[07:56] <fetus> /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[07:56] <fetus> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[07:56] <fetus> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[07:56] <fetus> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[07:56] <fetus> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[07:56] <fetus> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[07:57] <njan> fetus, so if you already have, say, one partition on it (/dev/sdb1), then mount /dev/sdb1 /path/to/mountpoint -t auto should mount it
[07:57] <njan> fetus, if you want to automate it, you could add a line something like this to /etc/fstab:
[07:57] <njan> /dev/sdb1       /mnt/windows          auto    umask=0,auto,defaults   0       0
[07:58] <njan> fetus, that would mount the first partition on the second hard disk as /mnt/windows automatically on startup, with access to read/write for all users on the system
[07:58] <fetus> the other disk is allready erased
[07:58] <njan> fetus, in which case you'll have to format it before you can mount it
[07:58] <njan> fetus, and possibly create partitions
[07:58] <fetus> i installed the 64bit version last night and it was unstable
[07:58] <njan> fetus, fdisk /dev/sdb
[07:59] <fetus> so i used the this disk that im on to install the 32bit
[07:59] <mebaran> my 64 bit is stable
[07:59] <mebaran> it just never works right
[07:59] <mebaran> heheh
[07:59] <njan> create your partitions.. then mkfs /dev/sdbX where X is the partition you want to make a filing system on
[07:59] <mebaran> no crashing
[07:59] <fetus> hrm
[07:59] <fetus> mine kept killing apps
[07:59] <njan> fetus, are you wanting to install a second installation of linux on the second disk, then?
[08:00] <fetus> no, im looking to use it for storage
[08:00] <mebaran> the only app that gets killed is gaim
[08:00] <njan> fetus, ok.. in which case, if it's formatted, use fdisk to create a partition/partitions
[08:00] <mebaran> and only really rarely
[08:00] <mebaran> when I compiled a custom plugin for it
[08:00] <mebaran> so it was probalby my fault
[08:00] <njan> fetus, then use mkfs to make a filing system (format) the partition.. eg. mkfs -j /dev/sdb1 would create an ext3 fs on /dev/sdb1
[08:00] <njan> fetus, then just add a line in /etc/fstab pointing the right place and it'll mount on startup
[08:02] <crimsun> mebaran: just to be sure, please give me the relevant sudo lspci -v line
[08:03] <fetus> njan, hrm it doesnt work, the sda is the sata drive prefix i belive
[08:03] <crack> question
[08:03] <crack> i am using wine to run ventrilo for windows
[08:03] <crack> it never totally comes up after configuring wine
[08:04] <crack> i see it pop up, then it disappears
[08:04] <fetus> is it minized crack
[08:04] <crimsun> crack: why aren't you using the Linux client?
[08:04] <crack> it doesnt work
[08:04] <crack> it says under development
[08:04] <crack> at ventrilos website
[08:04] <njan> fetus, you can run fdisk without breaking anything - /dev/sda is your primary disk, your second one will be /dev/sdb or /dev/hda. If they're both sata, then they'll be /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc, etc
[08:05] <crack> is there a functioning version for linux?
[08:05] <fetus> @njan, there not both sata, the one thatthis install is on is a sata drive. The other is a regular ATA drive
[08:05] <njan> fetus, it'll be /dev/hda not /dev/sdb, then
[08:05] <njan> fetus, everything else I told you is the same though :)
[08:06] <fetus> hrm, hda is my cdrom
[08:06] <njan> fetus, linux sees certain sorts of disks as scsi disks, as they work via the scsi layer in the kernel (I think), such as USB disks, firewire disks, sata disks, etc.
[08:06] <njan> fetus, /dev/hdb?
[08:06] <crack> crimsun, is there a linux version?
[08:06] <crimsun> crack: yes, but apparently it has been obsoleted
[08:06] <fetus> hdb = not exist
[08:06] <scoon> fetus, dmesg | grep hd
[08:06] <njan> fetus, dmesg |grep hd
[08:06] <crack> oh
[08:06] <njan> bah
[08:06] <crack> you dont have it do u?
[08:06] <njan> :)
[08:06] <njan> fetus, you can paste the whole output of dmesg at me in /msg if you want
[08:06] <njan> fetus, I
[08:06] <crack> crimsun, you dont have it do you?
[08:06] <njan> 'll tell you waht it is
[08:07] <crimsun> crack: no.
[08:08] <crack> k
[08:14] <topyli> seb128: ping
[08:19] <randabis> crack, you can run ventrilo in wine iirc
[08:19] <eyequeue> ventrilo: nothing appropriate.
[08:19] <eyequeue> what is it?
[08:20] <subterrific> it doesn't work very well
[08:20] <randabis> it is somewhat similar to skype, but without the ability to call people...it utilizes some form of VoIP iirc
[08:20] <subterrific> i've got ventrilo running with cedega, but its crappy
[08:20] <eyequeue> ah
[08:20] <randabis> or teamspeak
[08:21] <subterrific> teamspeak works better
[08:21] <bluefoxicy> No support for the HP PSC750 scanner?
[08:21] <eyequeue> also lacking an open protocol (like skype lacks)?
[08:21] <bluefoxicy> (it's part of the printerscannercopier shitbox)
[08:21] <crack> randabis, i used wine
[08:21] <randabis> hah
[08:21] <bluefoxicy> I want wine on amd64
[08:21] <crack> but it keeps poppin up so quick i cant figure out what to do
[08:21] <mebaran> I like tha pkgs I have on my system now
[08:21] <bluefoxicy> for 32 bit win32 apps
[08:21] <randabis> ah
[08:21] <bluefoxicy> or cedega, people tell me cedega is a lot better or something
[08:22] <mebaran> is there anyway that I can make a list
[08:22] <mebaran> of those packages
[08:22] <randabis> cedega is basically WINE + DirectX
[08:22] <subterrific> bluefoxicy: i use cedega on amd64
[08:22] <mebaran> so apt will automatically take them up
[08:22] <subterrific> have been for over a year
[08:22] <mebaran> bluefoxicy, all you have to do is set up a chroot
[08:22] <subterrific> no
[08:22] <bluefoxicy> subterrific:  i don't see it in a chroot
[08:22] <bluefoxicy> err
[08:22] <subterrific> i don't use a chroot
[08:22] <bluefoxicy> in a repository
[08:23] <randabis> cedega is non-free software, that's why
[08:23] <bluefoxicy> wine
[08:23] <crack> randabis, i cant seem to get it to work
[08:23] <crack> are you using it?
[08:23] <bluefoxicy> I don't see wine anywhere
[08:23] <bluefoxicy> I see wine-doc
[08:23] <bluefoxicy> but not wine
[08:23] <subterrific> bluefoxicy: well you have to install it yourself, i put together some instructions that have been in the forums for a while and on someones ubuntu wiki
[08:23] <mebaran> subterrific, thenhow
[08:23] <poeyerke> I new with Ubuntu, ans it is probably a stupid question ;) but how do i install development tool (C compiler en gtk)
[08:23] <mebaran> I thought you had to make a 32 bit chroot
[08:23] <randabis> no, I'm not...I just remember hearing about people using it
[08:23] <bluefoxicy> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:23] <bluefoxicy> subterrific:  :(
[08:23] <eyequeue> bluefoxicy:  what repos do you have enabled?
[08:24] <randabis> bluefoxicy, make sure you have universe enabled
[08:24] <poeyerke> universe is enabled
[08:24] <bluefoxicy> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[08:24] <bluefoxicy> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted universe multiverse
[08:24] <randabis> poeyerke, build-eseential is what you want
[08:24] <poeyerke> ok, thanx!
[08:24] <poeyerke> don have multiverse, do i need it ?
[08:24] <randabis> it'll give you gcc, g++, and some other stuff
[08:24] <randabis> no
[08:24] <randabis> build-essential is in main
[08:24] <eyequeue> bluefoxicy:  perhaps it was droped from hoary?  i don't know
[08:25] <randabis> no! don't da that
[08:25] <bluefoxicy> it's not in warty either.
[08:25] <randabis> wine is in hoary...you probably need to do an apt-get update
[08:25] <mebaran> build essential wont give you gtk dev
[08:25] <randabis> do NOT mix warty and hoary stuff...you're asking for trouble
[08:26] <mebaran> randabis, yes I know that first hand
[08:26] <randabis> mebaran, true...I didn't see that he wanted gtk
[08:26] <mebaran> heheh
[08:26] <bluefoxicy> randabis: http://rafb.net/paste/results/dp29pF80.html
[08:26] <eyequeue> bluefoxicy:  if you'd like to manually fetch: Filename: pool/universe/w/wine/wine_0.0.20040615-1ubuntu1_i386.deb or Filename: dists/warty-backports/universe/binary-i386/wine_0.0.20050111-1-4.10ubp1_i386.deb
[08:26] <randabis> poeyerke, you'll want gtk2.0-dev and probably glade-dev too
[08:27] <mebaran> what does glade do anyway
[08:27] <mebaran> glade was the gui designer I knwo
[08:27] <bluefoxicy> eyequeue:  I'm on amd64, wine needs a multilib environment
[08:27] <poeyerke> thanx :D
[08:27] <eyequeue> bluefoxicy:  "warty-backports" does imply that it was at least at one time in hoary?
[08:27] <bluefoxicy> eyequeue:  _i386.deb
[08:27] <bluefoxicy> root@icebox:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.11# uname -a
[08:27] <bluefoxicy> Linux icebox 2.6.10-hardened-amd64-generic #1 Tue Feb 8 14:42:06 EST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[08:28] <subterrific> bluefoxicy: search for ia32 in synaptic
[08:28] <crimsun> mebaran: dpkg -l
[08:28] <mebaran> oh cool
[08:28] <eyequeue> bluefoxicy:  ah, scratch that then, but that would be the neighbourhood of the archive to manually browse?
[08:28] <mebaran> but is there anyway
[08:28] <subterrific> bluefoxicy: that has the 32bit libs you need for wine
[08:28] <bluefoxicy> ah
[08:28] <mebaran> to make apt parse a list like that
[08:28] <bluefoxicy> subterrific:  thanks
[08:28] <mebaran> and install all those pkgs
[08:28] <crimsun> mebaran: also, please answer my question regarding the sudo lspci -v output
[08:28] <crimsun> mebaran: sure, you'll need to use awk
[08:28] <bluefoxicy> the problem is that I need an i386 complied wine, but there's no universe entry for x86-64 for it, and i need supporting libs
[08:28] <bluefoxicy> it's confusing as feck
[08:28] <mebaran> ah
[08:28] <Tux-Rox> Anyone see any problems running Real Player after upgrading to Hoary? I upgraded on one system and had no trouble, but upgrading on another system was a nightmare with only a protion of gnome reinstalling properly. I think I have most of the system recovered, but Real Player 10 just won't work. No GUI, no verbose at the command line and it just hangs when you run it. Any ideas?
[08:28] <poeyerke> that would be libgtk2.0-dev and libglade-dev ? ;)
[08:28] <mebaran> would it be easier to make like a metapkg
[08:29] <randabis> ah that's the problem
[08:29] <bluefoxicy> I ahve the ia32 libs
[08:29] <mebaran> like mebsystem
[08:29] <randabis> I don't use real player so no
[08:29] <randabis> poeyerke, yes
[08:29] <poeyerke> worked, perfect ;) thanx!
[08:29] <mebaran> 0000:02:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04)
[08:29] <mebaran>         Subsystem: Creative Labs SB Audigy 2 ZS (SB0350)
[08:29] <mebaran>         Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 19
[08:29] <mebaran>         I/O ports at a000 [size=64] 
[08:29] <mebaran>         Capabilities: [dc]  Power Management version 2
[08:29] <fetus> lol, the reason real isnt working for ya is its still buffering
[08:29] <mebaran> sorry for the flood
[08:29] <fetus> heh
[08:29] <bluefoxicy> man
[08:30] <bluefoxicy> I hope the rest of the world doesn't go the same way gentoo and ubuntu did with x86-64
[08:30] <bluefoxicy> why the fsck is there /lib64 -> /lib?
[08:30] <bluefoxicy> and lib32
[08:30] <fetus> 64bit is neato but it needs work
[08:30] <bluefoxicy> lib is supposed to be 32 bit; lib64 is 64 bit
[08:30] <bluefoxicy> so says AMD AND the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard
[08:30] <mebaran> well it doesnt really matter
[08:30] <mebaran> I think the symlink is a trivial thing
[08:30] <fetus> i didnt buy my a64 for 64bit , i bought it cuz i got it for $90
[08:31] <bluefoxicy> mebaran:  neither does the operation of malloc() or mmap() then?  or the posix specs?
[08:31] <fetus> lol
[08:31] <K-Rich> hwy all, i just used apt to get mysql and phpmyadmin.... but i have no idea the password to open phpmyadmin... i tried my user pass with no luck... any clues?
[08:31] <bluefoxicy> mebaran:  the symlink points to the directory where 32 bit libs are, and there's a lib32 which shouldn't exist
[08:31] <mebaran> yeah
[08:31] <mebaran> but I guess they wanted to emphasis
[08:31] <mebaran> a full 64 bit system
[08:31] <mebaran> on my machine I am running full 64 bit
[08:31] <mebaran> unistalled openoffice and ran abiword
[08:32] <mebaran> eventually we are all going to run full 64 bit
[08:32] <subterrific> bluefoxicy: gentoo and ubuntu are 64bit userland by default, they did it the correct way
[08:32] <subterrific> bluefoxicy: if you can't handle it, just run a 32bit kernel
[08:32] <mebaran> bluefoxicy, subterrific stated it well
[08:33] <bluefoxicy> The 64-bit architectures PPC64, s390x, sparc64 and AMD64 must place 64-bit libraries in /lib64, and 32-bit (or 31-bit on s390) libraries in /lib
[08:33] <bluefoxicy> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#LIB64
[08:33] <farruinn> you didn't listen to what people said
[08:34] <bluefoxicy> yeah well
[08:34] <mebaran> it is the easiest problem to fix
[08:34] <mebaran> if it ever becomes a huge deal
[08:34] <mebaran> but I doubt it ever will
[08:34] <mebaran> almost all my apps run in 64 bit
[08:34] <bluefoxicy> mebaran:  find Lv and ask him how easy it is to fix ;)
[08:35] <mebaran> heheh
[08:35] <mebaran> I dont know much about that
[08:35] <mebaran> or if it is huge hassle
[08:35] <mebaran> then why should we bother
[08:35] <mebaran> we will al eventually run only 64 bit programs
[08:35] <farruinn> bluefoxicy: if it makes you happier, mv /lib64 /lib ; ln -s /lib64 /lib
[08:35] <bluefoxicy> he spent something like a year trying to fix gentoo, and he's on the amd64 dev team.  He made some progress but tehy're still inable to discard /lib32 and the symlinks just yet IIRC
[08:35] <subterrific> bluefoxicy: read the Rational there. that is only if you want compatibility
[08:36] <bluefoxicy> subterrific:  *nod* but some people using wine or openoffshit are going to want compatibility.
[08:36] <mebaran> openoffice 2.0 is supposed to be pure 64 bit
[08:36] <bluefoxicy> subterrific:  and the RATIONAL is that it's for compatibility.  The standard still stands.  Obviously you only need mmap() if you want compatibility with Unix source code
[08:36] <mebaran> and wine never worked right for me anyway
[08:37] <crack> ok gents, talk to ya later. thanks for all the help
[08:37] <fetus> i used to use wineX on the redhat box to play some games woot
[08:37] <bluefoxicy> I used regular Wine to play Deus Ex
[08:37] <bluefoxicy> :>
[08:37] <fetus> lol
[08:37] <bluefoxicy> it worked too
[08:37] <fetus> i just so happend to find wineX on a irc server so :X
[08:37] <tsjubu> how i get in hoary the warty-mouse back?
[08:38] <bluefoxicy> I also used wine to use WMP to play porno vids in formats xine couldn't read
[08:38] <fetus> lol
[08:38] <fetus> thats why u gota burn em to dvd
[08:38] <fetus> lol
[08:38] <bluefoxicy> heh
[08:38] <subterrific> bluefoxicy: and Lv isn't trying to get rid of /lib32 to my knowledge. he's working to add correct multiarch support to portage, which is exactly what ubuntu is trying to do for dpkg
[08:39] <bluefoxicy> subterrific:  o.O
[08:39] <Levander> Can anybody tell me why I have about 30 20-hal.hotplug processes and about the same number of sh processes under the root user on my machine?
[08:39] <subterrific> bluefoxicy: which means that you can take any 32bit package and install it on a 64bit machine and it knows to put 32bit libs in /usr/lib32, etc....
[08:39] <bluefoxicy> subterrific:  he was the one that introduced me to the AMD + FHS specs about /lib,/lib64 and made the arguments
[08:39] <fetus> anyone wanna help me on my lost hard drive mission
[08:40] <fetus> i was told to run a dmesg, so here it is, http://www.pastebin.com/241807
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> fetus:  curl up into the fetal position and cry
[08:40] <Levander> fetus, ask more specific question, maybe get more help
[08:40] <fetus> ive been chatting with njan but he seems to be afk now
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> heh
[08:41] <njan> fetus, yeah, I simultaneously got into an argument with arrogant people in #debian and tried to figure out how to make dinner with no cooker, sorry :)
[08:41] <njan> fetus, I didn't get the top of your dmesg from what you pasted, but I couldn't see anything about a secondary hard drive..
[08:41] <fetus> lol
[08:41] <njan> fetus, if the bios sees it, it should be /dev/hdb, /dev/hdc or /dev/sdb, assuming /dev/hda is your CDrom drive and /dev/sda is your sata drive
[08:42] <njan> fetus, if it's not one of those, then your system is either really odd or linux doesn't see the hard disk.
[08:42] <tsjubu> how i get the warty-mouse back in hoary?
[08:43] <njan> I love how people argue with you until they don't understand what you say and then waffle and bullshit and make the whole conversation look pointless and silly.
[08:43] <njan> No, wait, I hate it. Never mind :)
[08:43] <subterrific> bluefoxicy: making /lib 32bit by default doesn't really solve the problem though, it just moves it
[08:43] <fetus> lol
[08:43] <fetus> any sa goons in her
[08:44] <bluefoxicy> subterrific:  I think the original idea was to make it so if you installed a 32 bit package, it would go right where it belongs
[08:44] <farruinn> tsjubu: sounds like a temporary thing.  should be fixed in a few updates I'd imagine
[08:44] <subterrific> bluefoxicy: you still have the issue of installing two packages, one 64bit, one 32bit that both install /usr/bin/firefox
[08:45] <AndyR> lo all
[08:45] <bluefoxicy> subterrific:  eh.  True, but who installs both 32 bit and 64 bit firefox?
[08:45] <subterrific> bluefoxicy: and yes, that was the original idea, but as my example demonstrates it doesn't solve the problem, it only makes it easier to screw up your machine
[08:46] <bluefoxicy> root@icebox:/tmp# dpkg -i wine_0.0.20040914-1_i386.deb
[08:46] <bluefoxicy>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[08:46] <bluefoxicy> !#@?!#
[08:46] <bluefoxicy> @!#?@!
[08:47] <subterrific> bluefoxicy: tons of people want 32bit firefox for flash, but 64bit firefox because you use the 64bit jvm or maybe you want 32bit mplayer for win32codecs, but you want 64bit mencoder because it encodes faster
[08:47] <bluefoxicy> subterrific:  i want 32 bit wine now
[08:47] <subterrific> bluefoxicy: --force-architecture
[08:47] <bluefoxicy> i'll worry about mplayer later
[08:48] <bluefoxicy> thanks
[08:48] <tsjubu> farruinn,thx
[08:49] <Levander> Does everyone have like 30 hal-hotplug processes on their ubuntu box, or is it just me?
[08:49] <bluefoxicy> I have no hal processes
[08:49] <subterrific> Levander: i've got one hald process, no hal-hotplug
[08:49] <sjoerd> Levander: you've got probably some D processes then
[08:50] <K-Rich> anyone here got mysql up and running?
[08:50] <Levander> subterrific, thanks, sounds like i do need to look into it more then, great something else to do...
[08:50] <Levander> sjoerd, a d process is a deamon?
[08:50] <Levander> sjoerd, i've got one hald process running
[08:50] <sjoerd> Levander: no. It's one that is waiting on something from the kernel
[08:51] <sjoerd> Levander: if that has status D then your screwed
[08:51] <Levander> sjoerd, what app to use to find d processes, doesn't show up under system monitor
[08:52] <sjoerd> Levander: you can turn on ``Status'' in the preference
[08:52] <Levander> sjoerd, found status under system monitor, it says "sleeping" for all the hal-hotplug processes
[08:52] <sjoerd> Levander: and for the hald
[08:53] <Levander> hald says sleeping also
[08:53] <Jamie_Bennett> anyone got frequency scaling working on AMD64 here?
[08:54] <K-Rich> http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#installmysqldatabaseserver errrr... what is the root password ?
[08:54] <Levander> sjoerd, all the hot-plug processes say they using 1.4 MB of memory each.  Are they all really using that much memory, or could these be memory shared by the processes, just reported a bunch of times?
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> beh, wine died
[08:55] <sjoerd> Levander: both
[08:55] <tsjubu> in the monitor i have behind netstat Zombie
[08:56] <tsjubu> what that means?
[08:56] <Levander> sjoerd, u mean that some of the 1.4 MB is shared, and some of it is used individually by a process?
[08:56] <ziggity> hi
[08:56] <eyequeue> K-Rich:  mysql's "root" is not the same as unix/linux/ubuntu's "root"
[08:56] <sjoerd> Levander: yah
[08:56] <tsjubu> sjoerd, wat is the Zombie?
[08:56] <ziggity> warty to hoarus and now I lost synaptic package manager
[08:57] <macewan> before I man it - anyone know the wget to grab contents of a directory & all directories and contents of those directories within the original?
[08:57] <sjoerd> tsjubu: then it's waiting for it's parent to reap it
[08:57] <tsjubu> ziggity,apt synaptic
[08:57] <Levander> sjoerd, thanks, looks like I could save some memory if I take the time to figure out what the hell is wrong w those processes, on 512MB machine, might speed things up a little, i'll try to look into this week, thanks again.
[08:57] <ziggity> tsjubu, whats apt
[08:57] <tsjubu> danke je sjoerd
[08:57] <sjoerd> Levander: they shouldn't be lingering around
[08:57] <sjoerd> tsjubu:
[08:57] <macewan> hrm, wget -r -np?
[08:57] <K-Rich> eyequeue: okay lemme try this then :)
[08:57] <tsjubu> apt-get install synaptic
[08:58] <Levander> sjoerd, but is there any good documentation on understanding more in-depth what is reported by system-monitor, would be interesting
[08:58] <sjoerd> tsjubu: there is #ubuntu-nl too btw
[08:58] <sjoerd> Levander: dunno
[08:58] <tsjubu> i know,sjoerd
[08:58] <Levander> sjoerd, cool, i'll google later, thanks for help
[08:58] <ziggity> tsjubu, its installed but not in the menu
[08:59] <ziggity> how do I add it to the menu
[08:59] <|QuaD|> i was happy to see that OOo2 is in hoary :)
[08:59] <tsjubu> sudo synaptic
[08:59] <Levander> quad, did they improve startup times in OOo2, that was a milestone they had set for that release?
[08:59] <ziggity> it works but its not available from menu only from terminal window
[09:00] <eyequeue> K-Rich:  when you configured mysql-server, you should have set a "root" password, 'less /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian'
[09:00] <tsjubu> ziggity,maybe after reboot will it be in menu
[09:00] <njan> bluefoxicy, I have one of those
[09:00] <Levander> quad, read an article awhile back where OOo2 was supposed to be the point where newbies could use OOo2 just as easy as MS Office
[09:00] <njan> bluefoxicy, in fact, I have an entry for a few apps in my gnome menus that I don't actually have
[09:00] <ziggity> ok. .cu after a reboot.
[09:00] <bluefoxicy> njan:  it's ugly
[09:00] <ziggity> thanx
[09:00] <ziggity> bye
[09:00] <tsjubu> :)
[09:00] <Arrogance> is there a URL I can download a Hoary installer from?
[09:01] <bluefoxicy> Arrogance: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[09:01] <njan> bluefoxicy, agreed
[09:01] <bluefoxicy> look for the array 4 cds somewhere
[09:01] <bluefoxicy> njan:  I made a post to ubuntu-devel but it was ignored
[09:01] <Arrogance> bluefoxicy, thanks
[09:01] <|QuaD|> Levander: it might be, haven't tried it yet
[09:01] <|QuaD|> they didn't have the access type application though
[09:01] <fetus> is ther a apt-get command that will update all drivers and stuff
[09:02] <njan> bluefoxicy, :(
[09:02] <tsjubu> fetus, sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:02] <Levander> quad, what's the access type application?
[09:02] <K-Rich> eyequeue: reading now... the only config stuff it asked on install was if it should purge databases when it's uninstalled
[09:02] <Levander> but OOo2 should be big, i'm excited also
[09:02] <bluefoxicy> njan: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel/4222
[09:03] <|QuaD|> Levander: there is one that is supposed to mimic ms access
[09:03] <Levander> Microsoft gets 50% of their revenue from Office, they gotta be quivering at the knees over OOo2
[09:03] <Levander> can u imagine someone doing for free what u do for a living??
[09:04] <|QuaD|> Levander: thats why they aren't opening their formats up :(
[09:04] <eyequeue> K-Rich:  okay
[09:04] <Levander> quad, yeah, some people won't have the choice to switch because of investing in Office documents they got, but a lot of ppl will be able to
[09:04] <GammaRay> Levander: can you?
[09:04] <Levander> gammaray, fuck me if that happened to me
[09:05] <|QuaD|> Levander: i am not planning on using office again unless i need to. but when i am working starting june i might have to
[09:06] <Levander> quad, yeah, is not big deal, i'll prolly have to use office occasionally also, but am gonna learn OOo2 better and become really proficient at it
[09:06] <|QuaD|> Levander: my thesis is going to be written in OOo2 :)
[09:07] <Levander> quad, i'd look at docbook also if u r computer geek like me, u write in XML, but can convert to a lot of different formats
[09:07] <K-Rich> eyequeue: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Rtbne969.html   Any other ideas :/
[09:07] <Levander> docbook isn't a WYSIWYG solution like OOo
[09:08] <|QuaD|> Levander: why would you want to write documents in that?
[09:08] <|QuaD|> Levander: is it cli?
[09:08] <Levander> because it's so much easier to convert to other file formats, have u seen an HTML document created in OOo? they're horrible
[09:08] <Levander> quad, no u create text files, docbook is xml format
[09:09] <|QuaD|> do you have any links to it?
[09:09] <|QuaD|> i just googled it, didn't find it
[09:09] <Levander> no off hand, it's got a very big user base, just google, there's a lot out there
[09:09] <Levander> not off hand*
[09:09] <Levander> quad, hold on, lemme look
[09:09] <|QuaD|> Levander: allright.... i think i like wysiwyg editors better though :) i will def try it
[09:11] <eyequeue> K-Rich:  any chance you already have a password set?  add -p to the command line
[09:12] <Levander> quad, there's a docbook.org, but this looks like an introductory article that you would prolly find very interesting: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-docbk.html
[09:12] <|QuaD|> Levander: thanks, i will definitely check it out
[09:12] <|QuaD|> can it save to native OOo formats?
[09:13] <njan> bluefoxicy, looks like a set of sensible suggestions to me.
[09:13] <eyequeue> i believe docbook is a format
[09:14] <Levander> quad, don't know would have to look around, doesn't sound like it would that hard for someone to write, since native OOo is also XML
[09:14] <|QuaD|> true
[09:14] <eyequeue> db2latex-xsl - Stylesheets for processing DocBook XML files to LaTeX2e
[09:14] <eyequeue> docbook-doc - Documentation for the DocBook DTD.
[09:14] <Levander> quad, could prolly even do it with XSL if someone has done it
[09:15] <|QuaD|> are there any cli OOo editors?
[09:15] <Levander> quad, what u talking about?  like a line editor for OOo?
[09:15] <|QuaD|> <!DOCTYPE article PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook V4.1//EN">
[09:15] <|QuaD|> that is what OOo uses also
[09:15] <|QuaD|> oasis
[09:16] <Levander> quad, fuck that's cool, had no idea, maybe OOo is using DocBook and is a WYSIWYG DocBook editor?
[09:16] <|QuaD|> Levander: no idea, i just know that OOo is using the oasis format
[09:16] <|QuaD|> its a standard
[09:16] <|QuaD|> brb
[09:17] <K-Rich> eyequeue: no password... fresh install
[09:18] <Levander> quad, but u see it says DocBook in the DOCTYPE declaration u posted?
[09:18] <eyequeue> K-Rich:  there's surely something i'm overlooking, but i'll tell you what i'd do next, maybe it will trigger something for you
[09:19] <eyequeue> K-Rich:  in the mysql-doc package, there's info on how to manually inspect the mysql user table, databasename "mysql"
[09:20] <eyequeue> K-Rich:  from there, you can manually force a password change ... but i do suspect there is also an easier way
[09:20] <CarlK> I have a laptop running DSL that won't boot from CD, doesn't have a floppy.  any ideas on how to get the ubuntu CD to 'go'
[09:20] <K-Rich> eyequeue: i got it .... i just did an apt-get remoe --purge mysql-* and tried again, had to use the -p option though and it now works
[09:20] <eyequeue> K-Rich:  great
[09:20] <eyequeue> K-Rich:  btw, i do recommend that mysql-doc package too :)
[09:21] <spinifex> Hi.  I've got a laptop that I use with both the campus LAN and wireless.  On startup, when it's not plugged in to the LAN, it takes a long time "Configuring Network Settings", and then starts up with both devices disabled.  I tried installing ifplugd, and it adds some messages to startup, but still doesn't fix this problem
[09:22] <K-Rich> eyequeue: gotcha :)
[09:26] <K-Rich> thanks eyequeue, i owe ya one :)
[09:27] <eyequeue> np
[09:28] <kroon> Is Mono included on Array 4 ?
[09:29] <spinifex> anyone know how to make ubuntu detect my ethernet setup better on startup for a laptop?
[09:29] <spinifex> it takes a ridiculously long time
[09:29] <randabis> my friend had that problem too
[09:29] <flosch> hi
[09:30] <randabis> haven't figured out how to fix it
[09:37] <Cube-ness> spinifex, dhcp?
[09:39] <MSG43> what the root password for ubuntu?
[09:40] <eyequeue> MSG43:  no such thing, see the faq
[09:40] <Cube-ness> why do people want root so damn badly?
[09:41] <MSG43> because root is need
[09:41] <MSG43> to like build stuff
[09:41] <Cube-ness> um
[09:41] <Cube-ness> no its not
[09:41] <eyequeue> MSG43:  um, wrong, very wrong
[09:41] <Cube-ness> its called sudo
[09:41] <eyequeue> MSG43:  compiling as root is very unwise
[09:41] <MSG43> well I typed in sudo and I got a thinking asking me what I want to do?
[09:41] <vixus> Hey, how can I run a bind command on startup?
[09:41] <Cube-ness> i assume MSG43 mean make install part
[09:42] <eyequeue> MSG43:  let's start here: "what would you like to accomplish?"
[09:42] <Cube-ness> MSG43, "sudo make install"
[09:42] <dredg> ./configure; make; sudo make install
[09:42] <Cube-ness> hehe
[09:42] <njan> MSG43, either sudo command or sudo /bin/bash. It works.
[09:42] <vixus> MSG43: What's the problem?
[09:42] <vixus> I got Blue Remote working a treat, but I have to bind my phone everytime I run it which is a pain in the ass.
[09:42] <eyequeue> njan:  or sudo -s, to add to your list :)
[09:42] <CarlK> I have a hoary-install-i386.iso cd mounted.  is grub on it somewhere so I can install grub on the local HD (that is currently running DSL/lilo)
[09:42] <Tyccho> vixus do you mean in the shell?
[09:42] <MSG43> I need to install ndsiwrapper
[09:43] <eyequeue> MSG43:  sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper
[09:43] <MSG43> don't have the internet
[09:43] <vixus> Tyccho: Yes
[09:44] <MSG43> so I don't think I can use apt-get unless if it on the cd is it?
[09:44] <eyequeue> MSG43:  sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils, actually, sorry
[09:44] <BiteMeBill> MSG43 can you burn a cd on the system you are on now?
[09:44] <vpalle> any tools for configuring printing?
[09:44] <CarlK> you can tell apt to use a CD... but I havn't found an easy way
[09:44] <MSG43> yes
[09:44] <vixus> Tyccho: I need to run the command: [ sudo rfcomm bind rfcomm0 00:0A:D9:E7:44:DA 1 ] 
[09:44] <BiteMeBill> You could download the .deb and install it that way can't you?
[09:45] <MSG43> it doesn't seem to work :(
[09:45] <eyequeue> MSG43:  Filename: pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-utils_0.10-1_i386.deb ... start with that info at your favorite ubuntu mirror
[09:45] <MSG43> it give me an error
[09:45] <vixus> MSG43: What is the problem??
[09:45] <socomm> Does metacity come with xinerama support?
[09:45] <MSG43> I don't know the exact error
[09:45] <vixus> Tyccho?
[09:45] <MSG43> should debs run under a regular user account?
[09:46] <eyequeue> MSG43:  you don't run a deb, a deb is data ... you run dpkg under sudo
[09:46] <vixus> I think so.
[09:46] <BiteMeBill> would still need to run under sudo privilages I would think
[09:46] <vixus> Yes.
[09:46] <Tyccho> vixus- create an alias for the command you want to bind.
[09:46] <vixus> You can double click it.
[09:46] <eyequeue> MSG43:  sudo dpkg -i ndiswrapper-utils_0.10-1_i386.deb
[09:46] <vixus> Tyccho: Clarify please. :D
[09:46] <vixus> eyequeue's done it.
[09:47] <vixus> Tyccho: What do you  mean?
[09:47] <MobyTurbo> I've missed something, why are you all reccomending that MSG43 download a deb rather than use aptitude or apt-get?
[09:47] <vixus> I don't know.
[09:47] <MSG43> so I type in sudo dpkg -i ndiswrapper-source_1.0-1_i386.deb
[09:47] <eyequeue> MobyTurbo:  he states he has not internet connectivity on the box in question
[09:47] <BiteMeBill> MobyTurbo: Due to no internet till installed.
[09:47] <vixus> He doesn't have a net connection?
[09:47] <MobyTurbo> OK
[09:47] <vixus> He wants wireless, yes?
[09:47] <eyequeue> MobyTurbo:  considering that the deb is ndiswrapper-utils, it sort of makes sense :)
[09:47] <MSG43> vixux: no I don't have a net connectiong
[09:48] <MSG43> I'm using wireless
[09:48] <Tyccho> vixus- somehting like: alias lll="sudo rfcomm bind rfcomm0 00:0A:D9:E7:44:DA 1" so when you type lll, the real command will execute.
[09:48] <MSG43> my wireless worked in suse with ndiswrapper
[09:48] <vixus> MSG43: I wanted to do that.
[09:48] <vixus> Tychho: Yeah, but I want it automated! :D
[09:48] <MobyTurbo> MSG43, looks like you're on the right track then. :)
[09:49] <MSG43> ok
[09:49] <MSG43> thanks
[09:49] <MSG43> I'm gonna go into linux
[09:49] <vixus> Tychho: So I don't have to do it on startup all the time.
[09:49] <Tyccho> vixus- if you want it to work everytime you login, you'll need to add it to your .bashrc file.
[09:49] <eyequeue> MSG43:  btw, once you have this all working, please consider filing a bug report so that it can be more painless for others in your situation
[09:49] <vixus> Thank you!
[09:49] <MobyTurbo> eyequeue, he's left already
[09:49] <eyequeue> MobyTurbo:  yeah, i type slowly
[09:50] <vixus> Tyccho: Where is .bshrc?
[09:50] <eyequeue> MobyTurbo: and have to look at the keys, rather than the screen
[09:50] <eyequeue> vixus:  ~/.bashrc (your home directory)
[09:50] <vixus> oh
[09:50] <vixus> whoops
[09:50] <MobyTurbo> vixus, it's a dot file so it's invisable unless you use "ls -a"
[09:51] <vixus> Tyccho, do I just tack it on the end?
[09:51] <BockBilbo> whats the config file for apache2 in ubuntu?
[09:51] <Tyccho> Yep.
[09:51] <BiteMeBill> apache2.conf
[09:51] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  look in /etc/apache2/
[09:51] <Pluk>  /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[09:52] <BockBilbo> ok
[09:52] <vixus> done! Thanks.
[09:52] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  there's a multiplicity of files, in reality
[09:52] <Pluk> but in apache2 things like modules and virtual sites are split up now outside of the config file
[09:52] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, see.. im having problems trying to configuring wordpress
[09:52] <BockBilbo> cause somehow the php files dont show up properly
[09:53] <BockBilbo> same same with perl scripts
[09:53] <BockBilbo> 8.pl)
[09:53] <BiteMeBill> BockBilbo: what problems are you having?
[09:53] <BockBilbo> (.pl)
[09:53] <BiteMeBill> with wordpress.  I just did it.,
[09:53] <BockBilbo> BiteMeBill, did you downloaded from apt?
[09:53] <BiteMeBill> No went with the 1.5
[09:53] <BockBilbo> anyways
[09:53] <BockBilbo> the problem is that
[09:54] <BockBilbo> after creating the DB
[09:54] <BockBilbo> when i try to open the wp-config.php file
[09:54] <BockBilbo> nothing shows up
[09:54] <BockBilbo> the page is just blank
[09:54] <BockBilbo> :s
[09:54] <BockBilbo> so i dont know if its an apache problem
[09:54] <BockBilbo> or  what
[09:54] <BockBilbo> :S
[09:54] <BiteMeBill> BockBilbo: there are some nice changes in it the newer beta version you might consider going that route instead of the apt-get.
[09:55] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php*
[09:55] <BockBilbo> hold on
[09:55] <BockBilbo> /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.conf  /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.load
[09:55] <CarlK> I have grub installed now - anyone know how to get it to boot from CD?
[09:56] <BockBilbo> those are the mods enabled eyequeue
[09:56] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  and they are symlinks to -available? (ls -l, if you need)
[09:57] <BockBilbo> what do you mean by "to available"?
[09:57] <BockBilbo> :s
[09:57] <BockBilbo> yes
[09:57] <BockBilbo> they are
[09:57] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.conf:  AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3
[09:58] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  something like that in there?
[09:58] <johnnyiron> hello
[09:58] <johnnyiron> any ubuntu user from spain?
[09:58] <BockBilbo> mm let me see
[09:59] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, yes
[09:59] <BockBilbo> there is
[09:59] <NewbieMonster> Hiya - how do I set up synaptic to use the ubuntu unstable repos?
[09:59] <BockBilbo> :S
[09:59] <BockBilbo> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 and  AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
[09:59] <johnnyiron> what?
[09:59] <BockBilbo> johnnyiron, what do you need?
[10:00] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  okay, and just to verify, when you look at the wp-config.php file, on the actual filesystem, it has contents that you would expect would print something, right? :)  ie, it's not empty
[10:00] <johnnyiron> I need help to install openoffice
[10:00] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, it should
[10:00] <BockBilbo> let me see
[10:00] <johnnyiron> only
[10:00] <BockBilbo> johnnyiron, apt-get install openoffice.org
[10:01] <johnnyiron> ok
[10:01] <johnnyiron> but
[10:01] <eyequeue> johnnyiron:  stick a "sudo " in front of that
[10:02] <BockBilbo> sudo apt-get install openoffice.org
[10:02] <BockBilbo> ;)
[10:02] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, what could it be?
[10:03] <BockBilbo> i mean.. what can be causing the prob?
[10:04] <johnnyiron> all righ
[10:04] <johnnyiron> thanks
[10:04] <lOSTmONK> m00000000000
[10:04] <eyequeue> johnnyiron:  'sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-help-es'
[10:04] <eyequeue> johnnyiron:  'sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-help-es' <--- ayuda en espanol
[10:06] <lOSTmONK> does gnome automatically add things to the menu like KDE does?
[10:06] <spinifex> wtf.  I installed KDE and logged in to it and the configurator crashed halfway through.  How do I set the theme?
[10:06] <spinifex> lostmonk, It adds some things..  doesn't seem to add everything I install though
[10:06] <lOSTmONK> is it as easy to add to the menu as kde is?
[10:06] <eyequeue> johnnyiron:  also, this one: openoffice.org-l10n-es - Spanish language package for OpenOffice.org
[10:06] <Riddell> lOSTmONK: they both use freedesktop.org menus
[10:07] <johnnyiron> spanish?!
[10:07] <johnnyiron> ok
[10:07] <johnnyiron> thanks
[10:07] <Riddell> spinifex: you can set the theme in kcontrol
[10:07] <lOSTmONK> well, im njot on ubuntu ATM
[10:07] <eyequeue> johnnyiron:  you asked for someone in spain, so i figured it would be helpful for you :)
[10:07] <johnnyiron> i cant open the archive donwnloaded from oppenofice.org
[10:08] <johnnyiron> ok
[10:08] <eyequeue> johnnyiron:  if you follow the "apt-get" commands given, you shouldn't need anything from the open.office website at all
[10:09] <eyequeue> johnnyiron:  ubuntu has downloaded those things for you, and already made the changes to them to make them work well on hyour ubuntu system
[10:10] <eyequeue> i should have mentioned #ubuntu-es, drat
[10:10] <spinifex> neat, thanks riddell
[10:12] <lOSTmONK> argh
[10:12] <lOSTmONK> can i update to the newer ubuntu from the old, or get the newer iso?
[10:14] <tsjubu> lOSTmONK, change warty in hoary in repo
[10:14] <kent> If i need to run a GUI program from a remote machine,  is running it with "ssh -X" the fastest way to do it?
[10:14] <jo> hi, is it possible to udgrade hoary to debian sarge?
[10:14] <Lee__> kent: yes
[10:14] <lOSTmONK> ok good
[10:14] <lOSTmONK> will it update the kernel too?
[10:15] <tsjubu> lOSTmONK and delete the backport line
[10:15] <jdub> bdale: yeah, still experimenting with the best way of doing the packages
[10:15] <Lee__> jo: I don't think Ubuntu and Debian are the same thing.
[10:15] <AlphaXero> lostmink, everything
[10:15] <AlphaXero> err monk
[10:15] <jdub> bdale: current ubuntu packages are quick hack and insecure ;)
[10:15] <bdale> jdub: could have used it this weekend.  will let you live, though...  ;-)
[10:15] <jdub> heh
[10:15] <jdub> it is kinda hard to set up
[10:15] <jo> Lee__: but ubuntu is based on debian
[10:16] <Lee__> so
[10:16] <lOSTmONK> rofl
[10:16] <bdale> jdub: I'm streaming audio from xdevconf, badly
[10:16] <jdub> ahr
[10:16] <Lee__> AFAIK you can't make Redhat Mandrake either
[10:16] <jdub> basic audio streaming is not too difficult
[10:16] <bdale> jdub: no worries, plan A failed and so I volunteered to be plan B.  using gnomemeeting through a conf bridge with a decent codec... way better than nothing.
[10:16] <Lee__> or turn SuSE into Fedora
[10:17] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  you will only update pacakges of the same name
[10:17] <jo> i installed sarge but it has XFree... i need Xorg for my ati card to work
[10:17] <Lee__> jo: /join #debian
[10:17] <seth__> does anyone recomends xorg instead of xfree ?
[10:17] <lOSTmONK> well, lemme install, then com back for the inevitable issues
[10:17] <jo> they're not very helpful
[10:18] <jo> but i'll try
[10:18] <Lee__> use the bot. its name is dpkg. ask it question first.
[10:18] <lOSTmONK> #debian is a baaaaaaaaaaad place
[10:18] <jono> hi all
[10:18] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.10-1-i686, or similar, if you want
[10:18] <Se7h> no?
[10:18] <Se7h> lol
[10:18] <jono> is there support in stock ubuntu kernels for bluetooth and hence /dev/rfcomm*?
[10:18] <lOSTmONK> eyequeue, ill ask again when i get back
[10:18] <eyequeue> k
[10:18] <lOSTmONK> i gotta install first
[10:19] <lOSTmONK> im just tying up some lose ends first
[10:19] <spinifex> wow, kcontrol sure loves to crash
[10:20] <AlphaXero> spini, so does Xine
[10:20] <qoke> are any of the developers on ?
[10:20] <spinifex> nick@kamek:~$ kcontrol
[10:20] <spinifex> nick@kamek:~$ KCrash: Application 'kcontrol' crashing...
[10:20] <spinifex> nick@kamek:~$ kcontrol
[10:20] <spinifex> nick@kamek:~$ KCrash: Application 'kcontrol' crashing...
[10:21] <qoke> i had a question.. I saw a blog entry about how the loading process was benig optimised.. are those optimisation already in Hoary Hedgehog ?
[10:21] <qoke> *being
[10:21] <grogoreo> hi
[10:21] <SiRrUs> AlphaXero whats wrong with your xine
[10:22] <AlphaXero> shrug
[10:22] <AlphaXero> it just hangs
[10:22] <grogoreo> For some reason, my system keeps on freezing. It has done it like 4 times today. Has this happened to anyone else? I'm using Warty
[10:22] <AlphaXero> i dont care though
[10:22] <SiRrUs> AlphaXero have you run xine-check ?
[10:22] <AlphaXero> i use vlc and mPlayer
[10:22] <eyequeue> grogoreo:  not here, but what were you doing just before it happens?
[10:23] <AlphaXero> no havent tried xine-check
[10:23] <grogoreo> erm, just on firefox. But it does it on anything. The mouse just freezes and I cant press the Num Lock button
[10:23] <AlphaXero> i uninstalled xine
[10:24] <kent> Lee__, thanks for the answere before. Im trying to configure my brothers printer over a 2mb adsl, and i have to do it for him with redhats system-config-printer, and since its a lexmark it just wont stop giving me a hard time :(
[10:24] <AlphaXero> my totem-xine stopped working too
[10:24] <spinifex> hey, is there anything for laptops that can make it not take so long "Configuring Network Settings" on startup, only to disable both my LAN and Wireless settings?
[10:24] <eyequeue> grogoreo:  i've had ff freeze up on me, but i've never had it freeze the whole system like that
[10:24] <AlphaXero> when i open disc it wants me to go to a file for some reason
[10:24] <eyequeue> spinifex:  dhcp?
[10:25] <Lee__> kent: install cups, open a web browser type in http://localhost:631/
[10:25] <spinifex> eyequeue: I have them set to that
[10:25] <Lee__> then look online for info on CUPS drivers for your Lexmark.
[10:25] <spinifex> it still takes forever though
[10:25] <AlphaXero> spini, that is in the troubleshooting section of www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:25] <hirata> hi everybody
[10:25] <hawkman> I had FF free the system, I'm good at crashing linux :)
[10:25] <eyequeue> spinifex:  it might be faster to configure things manually (/etc/network/interfaces) if that's an option for them
[10:25] <Lee__> spinifex: you can set your network interfaces to not auto load and manually load all of them when you want.
[10:26] <qoke> has anyone seen this: http://www.fooishbar.org/blog//tech/ubuntu/fastBootMiniBoF-2004-12-09-13-45.html
[10:26] <hirata> there is a little problem with the transcode program and the used libvorbis library
[10:26] <qoke> and do you know if these optimization are in hoary hedgehog ?
[10:26] <hirata> does anybody has an idea how to fis it?
[10:26] <jo> how would i perform a dist upgrade?
[10:27] <eyequeue> jo: make the changes you want in sources.list, then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:28] <afonit> does anybody know how to save and modify files on a server?  What is the trick?  I am sure it is possible as ibm and novell are behind linux,   (the server we have is OS X)  is this a limitation of Gnome?
[10:28] <inc_> sup room
[10:28] <afonit> also, I mounted the server with smbmount
[10:28] <Lee__> jo: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:28] <inc_> what do you mean save files to a server
[10:29] <jo> thanks
[10:29] <Se7h> does anyone recomends xorg instead of xfree ?
[10:29] <Lee__> afonit: most computers can save files to a server
[10:29] <afonit> inc_ like working with a spreadsheet on a server, it always opens it as read only
[10:29] <Lee__> afonit: ask the server admin to give you write permissions
[10:29] <afonit> I do have wright permissions, that is why I am confused
[10:29] <Lee__> ask your server admin
[10:30] <afonit> lee_ is smbmount the preferred method?
[10:30] <Lee__> I like it. Gnome has a decent SMB browser too
[10:30] <Lee__> you might have to sonfigure samba for your network first. you can always /join #samba
[10:31] <Lee__> s/sonfigure/configure/
[10:31] <afonit> lee_ cool thanks, what is the smb browser for gnome called
[10:31] <Lee__> nautilus. it's in the applications menu.
[10:31] <kent> Lee__, He has cups installed, and from lexmark we got a ppd file (and some other things). But if i added the printer with cups from the webpage, gnome applications cant find it. I need to add it with system-config-printers, i think. I can feed that program with the ppd file. Im going to do that as soon as it starts. Both him and me have 2mb adsl, but running programs over that line is slooow :(
[10:31] <Jimbob> afontit: It's in the standard file browser, actually
[10:31] <Jimbob> afontit: Just go to the "Network Servers" item in the "Places" menu
[10:31] <afonit> ok, thanks
[10:32] <Lee__> kent: I uses the CUPS browser interface and got Gnome to see the printer just yesterday but it sounds like your configuration is a bit different than mine.
[10:33] <froust> Can anyone recommend a good secure ftp client?
[10:33] <Tux-Rox> froust, gFtp doesn't work for you?
[10:33] <Lee__> froust: yeah, SSH.
[10:33] <dredg> sftp/scp
[10:34] <froust> no, my box at school got ghosted, and i couldn't remember the name of the program i had on here
[10:34] <Lee__> FTP must die.
[10:34] <qoke> yes, and it must die very quickly
[10:35] <qoke> SCP is your friend
[10:35] <Lee__> speaking of, what's a good GUI for scp? I always use a shell.
[10:35] <qoke> dunno, same
[10:36] <wasabi> ANybody know about the hoary array 4 cd on power pc regarding LVM? THe installer doesn't offer me the choice of setting up volume groups.
[10:36] <qoke> i use pscp (putty scp) on windows from the cmd line also.. im sure there will be a WinSCP or something somewhere...
[10:36] <ziggity> hi..
[10:36] <Lee__> it'd be cool if the Gnome devs built SCP into nautilus. then you could scp://user@hostname
[10:36] <wasabi> Lee__, sftp://
[10:36] <wasabi> Lee__, and they did.
[10:36] <Lee__> oh, my, god...
[10:36] <wasabi> uh huh.
[10:36] <AlphaXero> is there a way to put the close buttons on the left like on OS X?
[10:37] <AlphaXero> or does that depend on the theme engine?
[10:37] <eyequeue> Lee__:  allegedly, they hopped in their time machine, heard you say that just now, then went back to the past and did it
[10:37] <wasabi> Actually it's part of GnomeVFS< so any gnomevfs program can do it.
[10:37] <eyequeue> Lee__:  but i'm a little leery about time travel myself ;)
[10:38] <farruinn> so what's going on thursday in #ubuntu-love?
[10:39] <qoke> its friday here already :/
[10:39] <CarlK> bah... it was friday over 3 days ago...
[10:40] <qoke> not here it isnt.. you goet monday, and then 4 fridays :/
[10:40] <farruinn> AlphaXero: open System>Settings(or something like that)>Gnome Configurator(again, or something like that)
[10:40] <qoke> then weekend :D
[10:40] <farruinn> look under apps>metacity>settings or somesuch and you'll see an option for that
[10:40] <farruinn> (sorry I'm not in ubuntu atm)
[10:41] <CarlK> aww damm.. we don't get that many fridays here...
[10:41] <qoke> has anyone tried ubuntu under vm ware ?
[10:41] <Nemesis__> quoke: ive got it pumping under MS Virtual PC 2004
[10:41] <ziggity> help with monodevelop
[10:41] <qoke> monday is cruise day.. then tues-fri all all crazy fridays
[10:42] <qoke> nice nem :)
[10:42] <Nemesis__> couldnt be bothered trying it in vmware afterwards ;)
[10:43] <Akrame> hi all
[10:43] <qoke> dont have MS Vicrtual pc, but we have vm ware workstation on all our work pcs
[10:44] <ziggity> Akrame, hi
[10:44] <Nemesis__> qoke: I believe it works out of the box (except for sound) under vmawre
[10:44] <raydogg> sftp:// doesn't work for me at all
[10:45] <raydogg> cuz i'd love that
[10:45] <Akrame> can i use kde with ubuntu
[10:45] <farruinn> yes if you enable the universe repository
[10:45] <farruinn> kde isn't in the main supported repository
[10:46] <Lee__> VMware is my favorite non-free software. It's not that tough to get running on Sarge but haven't tried Ubuntu.
[10:47] <Lee__> not bad
[10:47] <Riddell> spinifex: the whole of kde is a lot of packages :)
[10:47] <randabis-laptop> heh
[10:47] <Akrame> ok farruinn thx
[10:48] <Nemesis__> qoke: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesVirtualMachines
[10:48] <qoke> ty
[10:48] <Riddell> Akrame: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE
[10:48] <spinifex> yeah.  And it's working pretty nicely if you disregard kcontrol's affinity for dying randomly on certain clicks
[10:48] <randabis-laptop> when hoary is released, I believe the kubuntu team will also release their fork of ubuntu, which will indeed have kde as supported software
[10:48] <Akrame> ok merci Riddell
[10:48] <Riddell> farruinn: kde packages not already in main are moving there soon
[10:48] <Nemesis__> *buries head in hands*
[10:49] <farruinn> Riddell: so will canonical be supporting kubuntu?
[10:49] <randabis-laptop> Good question
[10:49] <farruinn> if it's in main I guess the answer is yes, but...
[10:50] <raydoo> good evening :)
[10:50] <randabis-laptop> I really don't know...I don't think kde will be in standard ubuntu's main...I thought kubuntu was going to be a fork, with its own main...no idea
[10:50] <Nemesis__> good morning :P
[10:50] <AlphaXero> if they adjust kde to be more like gnome in the way ubuntu is, it will be nice
[10:50] <raydoo> anyone has an idea how to get an cisco aironet card to work ?
[10:50] <Riddell> farruinn: no, Canonical Ubuntu will be gnome Kubuntu will be KDE
[10:51] <Riddell> raydoo: there is only one main
[10:51] <AlphaXero> also need something like quicksilver on linux
[10:51] <AlphaXero> mac users will know what i'm talking about
[10:51] <randabis-laptop> randabis you mean?
[10:51] <ompaul> raydoo, I could not get that to happen
[10:51] <Riddell> AlphaXero: in what way?
[10:51] <dredg> raydoo: i plugged my aironet in and it just worked (tm)
[10:51] <ompaul> raydoo, that was on warty
[10:51] <Riddell> AlphaXero: what is quicksilver
[10:51] <AlphaXero> quicksilver is an application launcher
[10:51] <raydoo> i have warty
[10:52] <ompaul> dredg, the dredg ya whats it how's it goin
[10:52] <AlphaXero> faster to use than the dock or a menu
[10:52] <fetus> hey again, someone wanna help me? whats the command to copy a folder into another folder with root privs
[10:52] <AlphaXero> you type the command eg. command+space then start typing the app you want
[10:52] <Riddell> AlphaXero: macos?
[10:52] <fetus> i need to move files into another but i dont have root prics
[10:52] <AlphaXero> OS X
[10:52] <Skwid_> fetus: sudo mv ...
[10:52] <fetus> thanks skwid
[10:52] <AlphaXero> riddel you have a mac to try it on?
[10:53] <Riddell> AlphaXero: think I know the program you mean, well KDE has alt-f2 but it's not really as good :)
[10:53] <Riddell> AlphaXero: I don't have a mac but I've seen people use it
[10:53] <AlphaXero> ah ok
[10:53] <AlphaXero> it is awesome
[10:54] <raydoo> i tryed this howto but the x client crashes when i try to activate the cisco card
[10:54] <fallker> hey all
[10:54] <raydoo> and ifconfig dont use wlano just wifi for the card
[10:55] <AlphaXero> http://quicksilver.blacktree.com/ <---there you go riddell
[10:56] <raydoo> i have ther an protokoll:unspec on the card
[10:57] <farruinn> Riddell: so how will kde be in main but not supported by canonical? I thought that anything in main was supported by canonical?
[10:57] <Riddell> farruinn: it will be supported by kubuntu :)
[10:57] <smurfd> if i choose "expert" when installing ubuntu, can i pick what packages i like or dont like to install? or does it even have an expert mode, feeling like i can think of the debian installer?!
[10:59] <eyequeue> smurfd:  "custom" iirc
[10:59] <ziggity> hi.. upgraded from warty to hoary --> no can't drag windows by title bar
[11:01] <smurfd> eyequeue, oh okey, well if i choose that, can i pick packages or does it as default, pick for me?
[11:01] <CarlK> woo - just figured out how to boot a CD on a box that won't boot from CD.
[11:01] <CarlK> http://btmgr.webframe.org
[11:02] <eyequeue> smurfd:  within limits, you pick (there's certain things you have no choice over, like dpkg, heh)
[11:02] <smurfd> eyequeue, :P good good, got my answer, im happy, thanks
[11:02] <thenuke> heh, why did I just have to try apt upgrade in hoary ;D now it broke
[11:03] <thenuke> well, the good part is that it was not on my desktop
[11:03] <kent> how do i know if i should use CMYK, K or CMY  when i configure the inkset of the printer, im afraid i tuched the list and dont know the default :(
[11:03] <Sav> Is it possible tp mount a ftp server in fstab? if so, how do i do that?
[11:03] <eyequeue> smurfd:  you can even be gui-less, and use the tool of your choice after install, dselect, aptitude, synaptic, to choose what you then want
[11:03] <CarlK> this seems like soemthing that should be on the install cd for those of us messing with "Antique" machines
[11:03] <eyequeue> though synaptic is a gui app, heh
[11:04] <ompaul> sav no, the mount point would die after 300 or so seconds of inactivity
[11:04] <smurfd> eyequeue, yeah.. well i sorta feel better to start of "clean" and then add the packages of my choise.. always done that on debian..
[11:04] <Sav> =(
[11:04] <eyequeue> smurfd:  if you know debian, you know at least one tool to choose packages that you already like
[11:05] <ompaul> sav if you want stuff to be available to you at the touch of a button then use a web browser for your ftp client
[11:05] <smurfd> :)
[11:05] <CarlK> when installing, will "server" install just a subset of "normal", or will it install other things, like apache, ftpd, etc... ?
[11:05] <Sav> ompaul, then im not able to stream video directly, right?
[11:05] <eyequeue> CarlK:  no, you'll need to also tell it apache2 or whatever :)
[11:06] <eyequeue> iirc (did that here once)
[11:06] <CarlK> eyequeue - good.  all I want is X.org and gcc
[11:06] <CarlK> weird font...
[11:06] <eyequeue> CarlK:  using hoary?
[11:06] <ompaul> sav  no that would be the job of a client of the browser if it is configured correctly
[11:06] <eyequeue> no x.org in warty
[11:06] <CarlK> yes
[11:07] <eyequeue> CarlK:  you probably want the "build-essential" meta-pacakge too, if you want gcc btw
[11:07] <CarlK> thanks
[11:07] <eyequeue> np
[11:07] <Sav> ompaul, well if i do your way its just the same as downloading the damn file with gftp and then look at it.
[11:07] <CarlK> can I specify that now, or later after the base is installed?
[11:08] <Pluk> anybody know a usb tv tuner that works with linux?
[11:08] <Pluk> tvcards arent a problem but i owuld like to buy a usb version
[11:08] <eyequeue> CarlK:  any time you like, go with base and come back next week :)
[11:08] <dredg> ompaul: pokey. how's it going?
[11:08] <CarlK> ahh, server-expert... thats what I want ;)
[11:08] <ompaul> Sav I am not standing in the way of you taking the source of the programs you want and building the client you need :-)
[11:09] <ompaul> dredg, ahh its okay
[11:09] <eyequeue> all i recommend as necessary with an initial install is any firewall things you choose, if you do open any ports by installing servers
[11:10] <eyequeue> default ubuntu btw opens no ports, nor activates root
[11:10] <CarlK> at the boot prompt: "linux server-expert" right?
[11:10] <Nili> Hey guys.
[11:10] <eyequeue> CarlK:  sounds about right, it's been a month or so
[11:10] <ompaul> dredg, u guys busy down there?
[11:10] <Nili> I want to install Ubuntu on my computer, but I don't want to have to format my whole computer to do it.
[11:10] <eyequeue> CarlK:  press the early f-keys, and you'll get the list
[11:11] <ompaul> nili how big is the hard drive?
[11:11] <Nili> Can I resize WinXp Home Edition partitions?
[11:11] <eyequeue> Nili:  you will need some empty partition, or you can use the livecd
[11:11] <CarlK> well, the list says the 3.5 choices are "linux, expert, server,server-expert)
[11:11] <ziggity> how come I lost my ability to drag from the title bar when upgraded to hoary..
[11:11] <CarlK> but server-expert by itself errors
[11:12] <eyequeue> ziggity:  from what i've read in here, i believe it's a known metacity bug
[11:12] <CarlK> lets try linux server-expert...
[11:12] <ziggity> eyequeue, you mean I'm stuck wit that??
[11:12] <hybrid> hello
[11:12] <eyequeue> ziggity: check bugzilla to be sure (since you're on hoary, you should get to be good friends with bugzilla)
[11:13] <hybrid> lol
[11:13] <hybrid> yea
[11:13] <dredg> ompaul: sadly, yes, busy. you take a day off and everything builds up
[11:13] <Nili> Do I need to format my computer to do this?
[11:13] <dredg> ompaul: and doubly so cos this week i'm taking another day off
[11:13] <bluefoxicy> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel/4493
[11:13] <ompaul> dredg, ooch
[11:13] <randabis-laptop> Nili, you need some partitioning software to resize a windows partiiton
[11:13] <randabis-laptop> the ubuntu installer cannot resize iirc
[11:13] <farruinn> Nili: but the livecd won't touch your drive
[11:13] <eyequeue> ziggity:  you are testing a daily-changing collection of software, the reason hoary is public is so that any who desire can test and submit bug reports and patches
[11:14] <randabis-laptop> BootItNG is a good free partitioner that you can put on a floppy disk
[11:15] <ompaul> dredg, you need to keep "him" away from a keyboard when you are not there :-)
[11:15] <eyequeue> ziggity:  if that's not to your tastes, you may prefer to wait until april, or to use "backports" mentioned in the wiki
[11:15] <randabis-laptop> backports =bad
[11:15] <aurax> hello
[11:15] <Nili> I know I can run the operating system from the cd, but than I won't be able to install anything on the operating system, and the operating system will run slowly.
[11:15] <aurax> i have identd issue with ubuntu i cant get identd to work, anyone can help meout ?
[11:15] <hybrid> randabis-laptop ; y does backports = bad
[11:16] <eyequeue> aurax:  first, are you running an ident daemon?
[11:16] <Nili> Does BootItNG resize partitions?
[11:16] <randabis-laptop> Nili, you need to resize your xp home partition using partitioning software
[11:16] <randabis-laptop> yes
[11:16] <aurax> the port is closed
[11:16] <aurax> for some reason
[11:16] <randabis-laptop> it does resize
[11:16] <aurax> and i'm not firewalled
[11:16] <randabis-laptop> that's why I recommended it to you
[11:16] <eyequeue> aurax:  second, is this box behind another, or does it interact directly with the internet?
[11:16] <aurax> directl.
[11:16] <randabis-laptop> hybrid, they aren't versioned correctly and can cause problems when upgrading to hoary
[11:16] <aurax> directly*.
[11:16] <Nili> And it's ok to use BootItNG if I have Windows XP Home Edition?
[11:17] <randabis-laptop> yes
[11:17] <hybrid> o i c
[11:17] <aurax> hybrid sup
[11:17] <eyequeue> aurax:  which ident daemon did you install? (none are installed by default)
[11:17] <aurax> gidentd
[11:17] <Nili> You see, I downloaded this program called Partition Resize that doesn't come with instructions to resize Win XP Home edition, and says that partitions with WIn NT are not resizeable...
[11:18] <eyequeue> aurax:  ps auxw | grep ident .... any output there other than the grep command?
[11:18] <hybrid> ssup aurax
[11:18] <hybrid> hows it goin
[11:18] <aurax> good
[11:18] <hybrid> kool kool
[11:18] <randabis-laptop> Nili, I've used this program before, it works and that is why I recommended it to you
[11:19] <randabis-laptop> BootItNG is an excellent tool
[11:19] <aurax> aurax 18048 0.0 0.1 3088 568 pts/1 S+ 00:18 0:00 grep ident
[11:19] <randabis-laptop> resizing is a bit slow on it though imho
[11:19] <randabis-laptop> partition magic resizes faster
[11:19] <ompaul> nili before you do that defrag your windows partition
[11:20] <hybrid> GIMP 2.2 ROX
[11:20] <CarlK> anyone here care that hoary won't install on a 32meg box?
[11:20] <randabis-laptop> yeah a defrag is a good idea, but check your fragmented percentage first...you may not need to do it
[11:20] <CarlK> or was I sposed to sneek in the swapon somewhere?
[11:20] <eyequeue> aurax:  nobody   24698  0.0  0.1  1668  580 ?        Ss   22:19   0:00 /usr/sbin/gidentd -p 113 -l /var/log/gidentd.log
[11:20] <eyequeue> user1000 24710  0.0  0.1  1820  572 pts/3    S+   22:20   0:00 grep ident
[11:20] <randabis-laptop> no because if you are running linux on something that memory starved you should use a distro optimized for that...like DSL
[11:20] <eyequeue> aurax:  ^^ that's here
[11:21] <aurax> ok sec
[11:21] <eyequeue> aurax:  sudo /etc/init.d/gidentd restart
[11:21] <CarlK> I tried dsl - wasn't impressed
[11:21] <ompaul> randabis-laptop, I would argue that getting all those nice bits in a contigious set of blocks is much better for the next operating system given that you can have bits and bytes written semi randomly towards the end if the drive
[11:22] <aurax> 1108419695:18199 gidentd v0.4.5 started in daemon mode.
[11:22] <aurax> 1108419695:18200 bind(): Address already in use
[11:22] <aurax> 1108419708:18207 [::ffff:170.140.227.49] :3357 -> [::ffff:81.218.44.70] :113
[11:22] <aurax> 1108419708:18207 recv(): Connection reset by peer
[11:22] <aurax> see
[11:22] <aurax> something getting that port
[11:22] <eyequeue> i keep reading digital subscriber line rather than damn small linux :/
[11:22] <aurax> and why Ipv6?
[11:22] <CarlK> looks like alt-f2, swapon... did the trick
[11:23] <hybrid> eyequeue thats ok dsl i think of broadband
[11:23] <hybrid> lol
[11:23] <eyequeue> the weird thing is, i almost always say "adsl" when i mean that, even when talking to non-geeks
[11:24] <hybrid> lol
[11:24] <ompaul> eyequeue, that is weird - imagine what happens when you say hdsl - and - atm
[11:25] <eyequeue> ompaul:  yeah, they think of automated teller machines, lol
[11:25] <randabis-laptop> CarlK, good...maybe you could try beatrix though...a ubuntu based distro optimized for low memory machines
[11:25] <ompaul> eyequeue, or at the moment ooch
[11:25] <eyequeue> aurax:  sudo fuser 113/tcp
[11:25] <ja5on> Hi all. I'm new to linux and currently running yoper 2.2(a kde-centric distro) I downloaded ubuntu today ans plan on giving it a whirl. but what is the sudo about.. can I still su from the console
[11:25] <CarlK> randabis-laptop - where do I get it?
[11:25] <eyequeue> ja5on:  not initially, but if you really want to, the answer is yes
[11:26] <ompaul> carlk www.watsky.com aifk is where beatrix lives
[11:26] <randabis-laptop> http://www.watsky.net/
[11:26] <eyequeue> ja5on:  you will (as you know) create a non-root user, that user happens to automatically get "sudo rights" in ubuntu
[11:27] <spiral> hi
[11:27] <ja5on> How are these rights controlled..
[11:27] <CarlK> thanks guys
[11:27] <eyequeue> ja5on:  by default in ubuntu, there is no enabled root account, no root password .... sudo allows that primary user to use *their* password to do root-required actions
[11:27] <ompaul> carlk sorry I was wrong randabis-laptop was right :-/
[11:28] <eyequeue> ja5on:  visudo edits the /etc/sudoers file
[11:28] <Riddell> ja5on: you can sudo from the console
[11:28] <ja5on> thats the answer I was looking for thanks
[11:28] <lOSTmONK> how do i add another user?
[11:28] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  sudo adduser usernamehere
[11:29] <randabis-laptop> useradd
[11:29] <randabis-laptop> or use gnome's user and groups tool
[11:29] <ja5on> lOSTmONK: small world
[11:29] <lOSTmONK> will they hacve the same p[ermissions as the first i created?
[11:29] <farruinn> to allow them to use sudo you have to add them to /etc/sudoers
[11:30] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  no, they will have default user perms
[11:30] <lOSTmONK> wassup j
[11:30] <lOSTmONK> eyequeue, which is what?
[11:30] <ja5on> lOSTmONK: you trying ubuntu also
[11:30] <lOSTmONK> yeah
[11:30] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  sudo visudo, if you want to give them the ability to sudo to root, like your first user
[11:31] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  default user perms would be "everything except sudo" basically
[11:31] <lOSTmONK> ok cool
[11:31] <hybrid> brb
[11:31] <lOSTmONK> so its sudo visudo adduser?
[11:31] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  no no
[11:32] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  sudo adduser somenamehere
[11:32] <lOSTmONK> ok
[11:32] <ja5on> Whats the pro's con's of sudo over standard nix systems
[11:32] <lOSTmONK> then what?
[11:32] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  then later, if you want to make them a co-admin or something, sudo visudo, and edit that file
[11:32] <randabis-laptop> pro - security
[11:32] <lOSTmONK> aha
[11:32] <lOSTmONK> because i want her to be able to use synaptic as well
[11:32] <randabis-laptop> you have a lot more control over what rights users have with sudo
[11:33] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  it's really not advised to give everyone sudo permission of course
[11:33] <lOSTmONK> well, shes gonna need it to run synaptic right?
[11:33] <randabis-laptop> you can give her limited rights for that
[11:33] <lOSTmONK> wth?
[11:33] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  you can tell the sudoers file that she can run "the following commands" btw :)  man 5 sudoers, for details, if you like
[11:34] <ja5on> I get it.. primary user is normally the system installer there for has root access
[11:34] <lOSTmONK> why did my apt-get update come back dry?
[11:34] <eyequeue> ja5on:  yep
[11:34] <randabis-laptop> right
[11:34] <lOSTmONK> root@ubuntu:/home/monk # apt-get update
[11:34] <lOSTmONK> Reading Package Lists... Done
[11:34] <lOSTmONK> now i know thats not right
[11:34] <lOSTmONK> does ubuntu not have repos?
[11:34] <randabis-laptop> but with sudo you don't ever need to log in as root :)
[11:34] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:35] <Hwolf> Is there any way to couple two windows?
[11:35] <randabis-laptop> lOSTmONK, you installed warty and probabaly told it not to install updates from the internet
[11:35] <ompaul> once you sudo it lasts 5 mins iirc
[11:35] <randabis-laptop> so it did not add the default repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:35] <ompaul> Hwolf, what do you mean?
[11:35] <eyequeue> Hwolf:  considering this is valentines day, i probably am not thinking of what you really wanted ;)  what do you want?
[11:35] <JConnell> Does anyone here know a workaround to get meld working in hoary?
[11:36] <randabis-laptop> ompaul, yeah, but you can even control that as well
[11:36] <eyequeue> Hwolf:  xinerama is useful for a multi-headed situation
[11:36] <eyequeue> Hwolf:  screen -x is useful to have two terminals be mirrors of one another
[11:36] <randabis-laptop> you could make sudo timeout in an hour or 10 seconds if you wish :p
[11:36] <hybrid> back
[11:36] <lOSTmONK> ouch
[11:36] <lOSTmONK> 4 repos only?
[11:36] <hybrid> does winoe work on ppc
[11:37] <hybrid> **wine
[11:37] <ompaul> randabis-laptop, with the source you can control all :-)
[11:37] <lOSTmONK> eyequeue, what was that command to update to hoary?
[11:37] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  you speak as though 4 is few ... each has multiple packages :)
[11:37] <ompaul> randabis-laptop, so it is real freedom
[11:37] <lOSTmONK> i know mepis is hooked to all the deb repos
[11:37] <hybrid> lostmonk apt-get update
[11:37] <randabis-laptop> lOSTmONK, should be main restricted warty-security universe multiverse
[11:37] <hybrid> apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:37] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  first, i feel i have to advise you not to, then i'll tell you how
[11:37] <netmonk> I have hoary on one partition and warty on another one (please, don't ask why ;)). how can I make the menu.lst from hoary be the one i see when I start the computer?
[11:38] <hybrid> eyequeue lol it isnt that bad
[11:38] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  edit sources.list and where it says warty, change that to hoary
[11:38] <lOSTmONK> randabis-laptop, ido not have that many repos
[11:38] <lOSTmONK> univers and security
[11:38] <hybrid> thangs just may break destroy your computer or never start again but it isnt too serious
[11:38] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:38] <Hwolf> I mean that I'd like to have two programs locked in their position, for instance openoffice and firefox, each on one half of the screen.
[11:38] <lOSTmONK> eyequeue, why should i not update to hoary?
[11:38] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  promise not to be insulted?
[11:38] <lOSTmONK> sure
[11:38] <randabis-laptop> it's still in development
[11:38] <hybrid> cuz it aint "stable"
[11:39] <hybrid> raandabis-laptop hoary == the real sid
[11:39] <lOSTmONK> cant be worse than arch
[11:39] <randabis-laptop> depends on what you mean by stable :p
[11:39] <lOSTmONK> :-D
[11:39] <hybrid> i kno
[11:39] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  i don't fell you have enough ubuntu experience *YET* to be able to handle whatever significant breakage may occur tomorrow
[11:40] <lOSTmONK> no prob
[11:40] <randabis-laptop> lOSTmONK, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[11:40] <randabis-laptop> check that out
[11:40] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  familiarize yourself with the resources mentioned in the /topic, and with bugzilla.ubuntu, and do try it :)
[11:40] <lOSTmONK> if its still that much in dev, i dont wanbt the GF on it anyway
[11:40] <lOSTmONK> she will def break it
[11:40] <hybrid> eyequeue i installed ubuntu on ppc a month ago and now am on hoary aand fix a big problem i had so how much time do you really need?
[11:40] <lOSTmONK> :_D
[11:40] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  i'd just say to hold off for a week or something
[11:40] <eyequeue> hybrid:  i think he's new as in today
[11:41] <hybrid> o i c
[11:41] <lOSTmONK> for ubuntu i am
[11:41] <ompaul> may I suggest that if you choose to do this mad thing and go hoary on the desktop you keep a live CD handy in case your system breaks and you stand some chance of recovery
[11:41] <hybrid> srry bout that
[11:41] <randabis-laptop> I was only on warty a couple of days before I upgraded to hoary
[11:41] <lOSTmONK> i have about 8 live cds sitting around
[11:41] <eyequeue> hybrid:  linux fluency + a tiny bit of ubuntu experience, and you can probably fake your way, as long as you don't hose your net connection (imo)
[11:42] <lOSTmONK> hehe
[11:42] <eyequeue> hybrid:  i think he's got step one, just not much of step two yet :)
[11:42] <hybrid> tiny meaning?
[11:42] <lOSTmONK> im putting slack on my little HD for me to play with
[11:42] <hybrid> lol
[11:42] <randabis-laptop> I came to ubuntu with no debian background and handled myself well
[11:42] <lOSTmONK> debian is cake
[11:42] <lOSTmONK> thats the reason i put ubuntu on
[11:42] <randabis-laptop> I was using gentoo previously though...using gentoo again on my desktop now again
[11:42] <eyequeue> hybrid:  well, if you know the things mentioned in the /topic, or have watched in this channel for a while, you can probably fake your way :)
[11:42] <lOSTmONK> my GF can learn on an easier distro
[11:42] <natebutl> can anyone guide me as to where I can learn how to install lilypond?
[11:43] <randabis-laptop> wow that sentence sucked
[11:43] <hybrid> lol eyequeue here about every day lol
[11:43] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  i've definitely gotten the impression you're not a linux newbie, just new to ubuntu ... i hope you haven't felt insulted
[11:43] <randabis-laptop> I am using gentoo on my desktop again I meant. :p
[11:43] <lOSTmONK> ewwwwww
[11:43] <Hwolf> randabis, do you have time to spare?
[11:43] <ja5on> Should be interesting for me. being a Kde user for so long
[11:43] <hybrid> randabis-laptop i never used linux butmdk for a lil while w/out internet
[11:43] <lOSTmONK> nah, i only get uinsulted in #archlinux
[11:43] <hybrid> then used ubuntu
[11:44] <Hwolf> I love gentoo, but they should ditch the compiling :-P
[11:44] <Riddell> ja5on: you can install KDE, I highly recommend it
[11:44] <randabis-laptop> compiling isn't so bad
[11:44] <lOSTmONK> Hwolf, that defeats thepurpose of gentoo
[11:44] <duckdown> If I was having problems compiling a new kernel because of leaving certain things out, a good step to take would be to copy the working /boot/config-xxx-amd64 file to my /usr/src/linux/.config file and take it from there??
[11:44] <randabis-laptop> if you have a good cpu
[11:44] <ompaul> Hwolf, they did it is called debian :-)
[11:44] <hybrid> ja5on gnome is awesome
[11:44] <randabis-laptop> I can bootstrap in under 2 hours
[11:44] <lOSTmONK> but Hwolf, if u want an easier gentoo, get VLOS
[11:44] <lOSTmONK> gnome is a pain
[11:44] <randabis-laptop> I didn't like vidalinux hehe
[11:44] <lOSTmONK> :p
[11:44] <ja5on> Is it easy to customise
[11:44] <Hwolf> ompaul, Gentoo works, debian doesn't :-P
[11:44] <lOSTmONK> me either
[11:44] <eyequeue> "i want to install linux-from-scratch, i just don't want to install any compilers" ;-)
[11:45] <hybrid> i came from mdk which mocks windows pretty well but still like gnome
[11:45] <ompaul> Hwolf, you could have fooled me
[11:45] <lOSTmONK> hybrid, u want a good DE, wait til e17 come out
[11:45] <randabis-laptop> openoffice takes like 4 hours to compile lol
[11:45] <randabis-laptop> e17 is crazy
[11:45] <lOSTmONK> e17 is gonna be great
[11:45] <randabis-laptop> I agree
[11:45] <lOSTmONK> i dont like 16, but 17 is gonna be great
[11:45] <randabis-laptop> I've already played with it some
[11:46] <lOSTmONK> me too
[11:46] <Hwolf> randabis, why is it you're willing to spend 4 hours waiting for a typewriter to compile?
[11:46] <lOSTmONK> whehn i was running mepis
[11:46] <randabis-laptop> entrance is a really neat display manager
[11:46] <lOSTmONK> yeah it is
[11:46] <ja5on> Hwolf: lol
[11:46] <randabis-laptop> Hwolf, I can do other things while it is compiling
[11:47] <randabis-laptop> and openoffice is much more than a typewriter anyway
[11:47] <lOSTmONK> is there anything i can run to try and update all apps on the system from the repos?
[11:47] <TMCAWA12G> Ubunto can kiss my ass
[11:47] <JConnell> Does anyone here know a workaround to get meld working in hoary?
[11:47] <lOSTmONK> TMCAWA12G, wow
[11:47] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me why php4-pcre isnt on the ubuntu repositories?
[11:47] <BockBilbo> :S
[11:47] <lOSTmONK> kinda hostile?
[11:47] <randabis-laptop> lOSTmONK, apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade will do the trick
[11:47] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  sudo apt-get upgrade ? :)
[11:47] <TMCAWA12G> but you can take it and shove i up your ass
[11:47] <lOSTmONK> already doing that
[11:47] <randabis-laptop> jdub, the moron is back...please ban him this time
[11:47] <Hwolf> randabis: do you use that desktop to get any work done?
[11:47] <ja5on> It hurts.. the cd is sharp
[11:48] <TMCAWA12G> go fuck yourself in the ass with a fencepost
[11:48] <lOSTmONK> TMCAWA12G, winhell is begging for u to come back then
[11:48] <randabis-laptop> Hwolf, yep, and I game on it
[11:48] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  though perhaps what you mean is, sudo apt-get --reinstall install foo
[11:48] <geargolem> opera for ubuntu?
[11:48] <randabis-laptop> opera isn't in the repos
[11:48] <lOSTmONK> opera hast static debs on their site for DL
[11:48] <hybrid> back
[11:48] <TMCAWA12G> Ubuntu must die! Linux must be eradicated! Windows must puke supreme!
[11:48] <randabis-laptop> but you can get a deb from their site
[11:48] <ompaul> TMCAWA12G, go troll a windows secure coding channel
[11:48] <spinifex> tmcawa12g, this channel is about humanity to others.  stfu, mkay?
[11:49] <TMCAWA12G> Ubuntu must die! Linux must be eradicated! Windows must puke supreme!
[11:49] <randabis-laptop> ubuntu rox your sox
[11:49] <lOSTmONK> wow
[11:49] <hybrid> spinifex rofl
[11:49] <TMCAWA12G> Ubuntu must die! Linux must be eradicated! Windows must rule supreme!
[11:49] <TMCAWA12G> Ubuntu must die! Linux must be eradicated! Windows must rule supreme!
[11:49] <TMCAWA12G> Ubuntu must die! Linux must be eradicated! Windows must rule supreme!
[11:49] <lOSTmONK> are u on a winhell box now?
[11:49] <BiteMeBill> Ugh to be stuck in a windoz world.
[11:49] <TMCAWA12G> Yep
[11:49] <spinifex> must die?  How do you kill a software concept?
[11:49] <lOSTmONK> cuz if u are,m i can come leave u a little surprise
[11:49] <randabis-laptop> linux > u
[11:49] <TMCAWA12G> Running the fantastic Windows 98SE!!
[11:49] <eyequeue> um, hello?  can we ponder "don't feed the trolls"? thanks :)
[11:49] <BockBilbo> SE xDDDD
[11:49] <spinifex> sorry
[11:49] <BiteMeBill> I feel sorry for him.
[11:49] <randabis-laptop> 98se? Hahah
[11:49] <Jimbob> Yeah, really.
[11:49] <randabis-laptop> you're an idiot
[11:49] <TMCAWA12G> Oh?
[11:49] <randabis-laptop> yes
[11:49] <lOSTmONK> i dont feel sorry for him
[11:50] <TMCAWA12G> Why?
[11:50] <randabis-laptop> because 98se is TRASH
[11:50] <lOSTmONK> at all
[11:50] <lOSTmONK> bill needs people like him
[11:50] <hybrid> lol
[11:50] <lOSTmONK> they are his softweare developers
[11:50] <sladen> TMCAWA12G: please could you cool your language.  Some people may find it offensive
[11:50] <TMCAWA12G> Its better that some shitty code thought up while masturbating called Linux!
[11:50] <randabis-laptop> any windows pre windows 2000 is trash
[11:50] <HaRDaWaY> hi people, i have a problem, i have hoary..and when i try to run gdesklets....i exec it on terminal and it tell me: connecting to daemon...and then, not runs...why?
[11:50] <duckdown> If I was having problems compiling a new kernel because of leaving certain things out, a good step to take would be to copy the working /boot/config-xxx-amd64 file to my /usr/src/linux/.config file and take it from there??
[11:50] <lOSTmONK> randabis-laptop, not true
[11:50] <hybrid> i love ignore
[11:50] <TMCAWA12G> Its better that some shitty code thought up while masturbating called Linux!
[11:50] <randabis-laptop> the linux kernel pwns the 98 kernel
[11:50] <lOSTmONK> 98 was better then 2k
[11:51] <lOSTmONK> def
[11:51] <randabis-laptop> no
[11:51] <TMCAWA12G> Xp is a pile of shit
[11:51] <spinifex> I actually preferred Windows 3.1
[11:51] <TMCAWA12G> it doesnt have a fucking dos
[11:51] <lOSTmONK> rofl
[11:51] <hybrid> 2k > xp
[11:51] <TMCAWA12G> it has a fucking emulator that fucks my ass
[11:51] <lOSTmONK> 3.1
[11:51] <HaRDaWaY> hi people, i have a problem, i have hoary..and when i try to run gdesklets....i exec it on terminal and it tell me: connecting to daemon...and then, not runs...why?
[11:51] <lOSTmONK> wow
[11:51] <spinifex> lol dos.
[11:51] <Jimbob> Guys, /ignore.
[11:51] <randabis-laptop> 2k is much better than 98se in many many ways
[11:51] <ja5on> Window was compiled on a unix box
[11:51] <TMCAWA12G> 2k is a pile of reeking vomit
[11:51] <duckdown> df
[11:51] <sladen> TMCAWA12G: please respect the Ubuntu Code of Conduct
[11:51] <hybrid> mark my words longhorn will be the next ME
[11:51] <randabis-laptop> ha
[11:51] <lOSTmONK> ouch
[11:51] <skel_home> are there DVD images for ubuntu?
[11:51] <spinifex> 3.1 was the most stable version of windows ever.  It was completely straightforward and never crashed on me
[11:52] <duckdown> lol
[11:52] <randabis-laptop> I don't use windows anymore anyway so it doesn't mater
[11:52] <HaRDaWaY> skel_home,  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com
[11:52] <TMCAWA12G> Take your Ubuntu Code of Conduct and shove it up your ass!
[11:52] <sladen> skel_home: you can apt-get install whatever you need.  There are DVD images for Hoary
[11:52] <duckdown> LOL
[11:52] <BiteMeBill> WOW I found something useful on a windows machine... mIRC still has the ignore option!
[11:52] <lOSTmONK> well, bbiaw
[11:52] <Jimbob> TMCAWA12G: Go away.
[11:52] <randabis-laptop> when were DVDs for hoary released?
[11:52] <lOSTmONK> gotta let the gf get on
[11:52] <JConnell> TMCAWA12G = Daryl McBride
[11:52] <hybrid> it will they r rushing and leavin stuff out but it is soooooooooooo good cough and longhorn will kill linux o_0
[11:52] <TMCAWA12G> Jimbob: Go fuck your grandfathers ass
[11:52] <Jimbob> Bye!
[11:52] <jdub> guys
[11:53] <jdub> please do not respond to them
[11:53] <randabis-laptop> thank you
[11:53] <ogra> jdub: thanks
[11:53] <pitti> jdub: thanks
[11:53] <skel_home> sladen: I have to install at a remote site with no internet =P
[11:53] <hybrid> j dub u rule
[11:53] <HaRDaWaY> skel_home,  sorry, dvd is here: ftp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/weekly-dvd/current/
[11:53] <eyequeue> jdub:  thanks, may i msg you?
[11:53] <jdub> sure
[11:53] <sladen> skel_home: ahhh
[11:53] <jdub> if you have to
[11:54] <Jimbob> HaRDaWaY: Could you be more specific? Does gdesklets start and then just sit there?
[11:54] <spinifex> wow.  I've been booted from windows channels just for asking a question about 98 ("STFU Upgrade that POS!" *ban*).  He survived a long time compared to that
[11:54] <hybrid> LOSTmonk what was that de?
[11:54] <skel_home> HaRDaWaY: ty =] 
[11:54] <HaRDaWaY> Jimbob,  then....time to wait is out
[11:54] <geargolem> How do I use the deb file?
[11:54] <JConnell> Does anyone here know a workaround to get meld working in hoary?
[11:54] <HaRDaWaY> Jimbob, returns to terminal, because time to waiting is very big
[11:54] <spinifex> geargolem:  dpkg -i something.deb
[11:54] <Jimbob> Hardaway: Ahh
[11:55] <HaRDaWaY> sorry for my english
[11:55] <ja5on> Does any one know the irssi command to ignore a user
[11:55] <skel_home> holy fuck that mirror is fast
[11:55] <Jimbob> hardaway: So if you do "ps ax | grep gdesklets", what does it say?
[11:55] <hybrid> slash ignore
[11:55] <Skwid_> ?
[11:55] <[Spooky] > Yo! whats up everyone ?
[11:55] <Skwid_>  /ignore User
[11:55] <ja5on> cheeres
[11:55] <HaRDaWaY> Jimbob,  nothing
[11:55] <Skwid_> it's not an irssi command .. it's the same everywhere
[11:55] <HaRDaWaY> not appears
[11:56] <krism> or "/ignore username all"
[11:56] <krism> hmm
[11:56] <krism> i'm thinking about starting a commercial shell provider
[11:56] <tpdd> Hello Im installilng warty and everything works untill i get to the grub install where it hangs,  I tried hoary (array4
[11:56] <krism> e.g. selling unix shells, monthly.
[11:56] <tpdd> but it hangs before then
[11:56] <wm_eddie> shells?
[11:56] <HaRDaWaY> Jimbob,  if i do ps, when gdesklets is connecting, it tell me this:
[11:56] <krism> wm_eddie yeah, ala ssh.
[11:57] <wm_eddie> krism: just shells?
[11:57] <spinifex> you mean logins?
[11:57] <ompaul> krism, have you looked at xen?
[11:57] <HaRDaWaY> Jimbob,  7315 pts/1    S+     0:00 python /usr/bin/gdesklet
[11:57] <BiteMeBill> wm_eddie: by the seashore?
[11:57] <krism> well, standard shells + email + www/~user
[11:57] <krism> ompaul no, i haven't - thanks
[11:57] <krism> okay,
[11:57] <wm_eddie> krism: Have you looked at User Mode Linux? and Virtual Private Servers?
[11:57] <Jimbob> hardaway: You may be able to get better help from irc://irc.gnome.org/#gdesklets
[11:57] <krism> so it's mostly an excuse to spend the 500$/month to get a T1 to my apartment
[11:57] <HaRDaWaY> ok thanks Jimbob
[11:58] <wm_eddie> wm-eddie.info is a Virtual server.
[11:58] <Jimbob> hardaway: (that's the official gdesklets channel)
[11:58] <duckdown> aaargh.. why wont make xconfig work for it? it says /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt .. i installed all kinds of QT packages earlier
[11:58] <wm_eddie> you should look into it.
[11:58] <krism> wm_eddie : that'd be a neat idea - ill play around with it
[11:58] <krism> but mostly i just want to justify the T1 <g>
[11:58] <skel_home> so it hoary the latest or warty?
[11:59] <krism> it's 500/month, if i could recoup half that, i'd be happy
[11:59] <hybrid> hoary
[11:59] <eyequeue> skel_home:  warty is the latest release, hoary is the next-to-be-released
[11:59] <dredg> warty is the latest _release_
[11:59] <krism> hmm ubuntu + debian = "warty woody"
[11:59] <hybrid> lol
[11:59] <BiteMeBill> skel_home: Warty is the stable Hoary is the up and coming
[11:59] <smurfix> krism: $500 for a T1 is a lot. I can get a SDSL ith 2.3 Mbit for $10 here.
[11:59] <smurfix> $150
[11:59] <krism> smurfix : can i move in?!
[11:59] <hybrid> krisim more like warty sid
[11:59] <krism> :-D
[11:59] <smurfix> sorry for the typo
[11:59] <krism> smurfix: where is here?
[12:00] <smurfix> Germany