=== jani [~pet@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:04] jdub: I'll do a big blog post. [12:05] whiprush, what are you talking about? === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] hey [12:06] whiprush: sweet ;) [12:07] lamont: thanks for doing the upload [12:09] can we put figlet into ubuntu-base? :p [12:12] What's with d-i(ubuntu11)'s build/Makefile? installing a nonexistent trc.sh seems not to work particularly well ... [12:13] I just made my fiancee laugh with figlet "Happy Valentine's Day!" | cowsay -n [12:13] ah, my fault === smurfix bad === JConnell [foobar@node.tor] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:14] 11>$ grep trc build/Makefile [12:14] 11>$ [12:14] Kamion: my fault, I misapplied a local patch [12:16] mjg59: ping when you get a chance there are some ibm thinkpad acpi suspend patches that you can look at for me === rcliii [~rcliii@c-24-10-179-112.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] Anybody know if/when mdz'll be back? [12:19] seb128: it wasn't a nautilus bug at all -- it was a bug in openbox which set the _NET_WORKAREA to insane values. === Mithrandir thinks he should get a bit drunk soonish [12:20] zul: Hi [12:21] mjg59: http://zulinux.homelinuz.net/ubuntu/kernel/patches/acpi [12:21] hm, I need an ia64 to try to reproduce this problem. [12:21] mjg59: its the thinkpad_suspend patches [12:22] mjg59: they were taken from the ac tree [12:22] Mithrandir: want a beer? *cheers* [12:23] Mithrandir: oh ok [12:23] Gagatan: I'm going home for some whisky, I think. [12:23] Mithrandir: so thats why i never saw it in metacity :) [12:23] Mithrandir: that explains why there is no bug in bugzilla :p [12:23] seb128: it got triggered by the 64 bit fixes in nautilus, though. [12:23] just finished the bottle of Noilly Prat with some iced tea [12:23] ogra: yup, metacity is fine -- it uses a long * instead of a guint32 * [12:24] Mithrandir: yeah, I was thinking to the 64bits/desktop patch [12:24] seb128: it just triggered it; I've got insane values like this for _NET_WORKAREA: [12:24] heh [12:24] _NET_WORKAREA(CARDINAL) = 0, 768, 0, 768, 0, 768, 0, 768, 0, 768, 0, 768, 0, 768, 0, 768, 0, 768, 0, 768, 0, 177, 2531391064, 2531391064, 768, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 [12:24] I wonder how it has _ever_ worked, tho [12:25] yeah [12:25] mjg59: if they were ok i was going to add them to -18 [12:25] zul: Hm. I thought we had those already. [12:25] lemme check [12:26] zul: Yeah, they're in already [12:26] ok cool [12:26] I picked those up a while ago - they're needed to get interrupts working after swsusp resume [12:26] gotcha [12:28] bbl [12:30] jdub: about 45 min to build the rootfs [12:48] night everybody [12:59] lamont: ah, ta [12:59] lamont: on superdooper hardware, i guess? === mjg59 gets the craptop to do something other than reboot on resume [01:03] Hrmph. [01:04] No, that time it just rebooted again. === farruinn [~nathan@cpe-69-201-9-15.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] Bah. Seems to have been a freak occurance. === JanC [~JanC@dD5764B88.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] jdub: that's on the data center machines, yes [01:14] but for local hackery, you can skip a couple steps, and then it's just time to debootstrap+apt-get install ubuntu-desktop+about 5 minutes for locales [01:14] if you have a local mirror, it's not bad at all. [01:14] we burn about 15 minutes in the name of rsync-ability === lamont realizes that his wife gets home tomorrow, curses [01:15] too many honey-dos to do today [01:29] lamont: aha [01:29] lamont: ok, i might be able to build them here then [01:30] lamont: got the rootfs script handy? [01:30] daniels: the docs for XChangeProperty is wrong, or the implementation is. [01:30] just installed installed a new hoary daily build, worked as a charm - does anybody know why it seems to not allow me to put grub onto the SATA /dev/sda ? (first SATA disk) [01:33] (maybe grub won't ever boot from a sata drive) [01:34] sivang: grub is happy with SATA drives [01:34] Mithrandir: hmm, then maybe a too-much-autoconfiguring d-i ? ;-) [01:34] no idea. :) [01:34] it said something like "are you happy with installing the boot loader to the first drive's master boot record" [01:35] and I answered yes, as in "sure, this is my SATA drive currently" and he ended it up in /dev/hdb weird :) [01:37] it depends on the order of the drives in your bios [01:38] Mithrandir: hmm, interesting. I explicitly made the SATA one boot first , oh well, never mind, I'll put grub on the SATA drive manually :) === ogra sees the hoary backports forming in #ubuntu [01:41] :( [01:42] ogra: hopefully, they'll go away once hoary is actually out. [01:43] they're complaining about not having the latest software in hoary already :) [01:43] and it's part of the "price" way pay for the community -- some do what the developers consider unwise, but there's nothing we can do to stop them (and it's probably not worth the effort) [01:43] Mithrandir: but in this period of "featurefreeze" there is no oportunity to have the latest software [01:43] which software is he missing? [01:43] he was wanting php5 [01:43] Mithrandir: the latest ;) [01:44] uhm, uhm. [01:44] that has nothing to do with feature freeze, really, but more that php5 isn't really ready. [01:45] php5 is in "new packages" back in debian iirc... /me seconds Mithrandir on that one === sivang is glad seb128 is not here to hear all this "not current enough software in hoary" whine :) [01:45] Mithrandir: but if it gets released one day before hoary, you got your first backports candidate [01:46] Gagatan: maybe, just maybe it could go into universe, if we're allowed :) [01:46] Gagatan: I'm talking with \infty at least once a day and he's grumpy enough about php4. :P [01:46] Mithrandir: hey, who isn't ;) === dholbach [~dholbach@td9091a7c.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:46] re [01:46] wb dholbach [01:46] ajmitch: people would start using it despite it not being supported, security-wise and all [01:46] hiya Daniel [01:47] Mithrandir: and you'd be lucky to find a MOTU willing to support it, I think [01:47] true === Mithrandir notes it's about 01:47 and decides to go to bed, having fixed one RC bug today. [01:48] it's a package that I would like, but I don't know it well enough to support === ogra applauds Mithrandir [01:50] what package are you talking about? [01:50] php5 === dholbach missed a bit of the conversation [01:50] ah ok [01:51] Kamion: still up? [01:56] Mithrandir: funny, the impression i get from infinity is that he's having lots of fun w/ php4 :) === jlj [~agp@host-81-191-64-79.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === usual [~colin@cpe-24-194-194-177.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] hey dilinger [02:02] mdz: 5870 was closed yesterday.... just no bug update yet [02:02] zul: hello [02:03] hrm... guess I should fix mplayer for folks... === lamont tries to remember who told him about that originally === thully [~knoppix@51.sub-166-155-123.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont beats daniels with the thrice-asked xserver-xorg questions on apt-get dist-upgrade [02:06] heh [02:07] I mean, they seem to be the same questions we did or didn't ask in the first place.... === thully [~knoppix@51.sub-166-155-123.myvzw.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont reboots === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === usual [~colin@cpe-24-194-194-177.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thully [~knoppix@51.sub-166-155-123.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:26] hi - any plans to improve userland wireless support in Hoary? I've had some major problems getting my wireless to work well using only the default tools. [02:26] eventually i guess [02:27] I've logged bugs on a few - including the fact that configuring my wi-fi in GNOME causes the entire system to wait for a wireless network for 20sec on boot... [02:27] i'm off to bed happily - just did my first 3 uploads ;-) [02:27] sleep tight everyone === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [~dholbach@td9091a7c.pool.terralink.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Rotund [~joe@d12-124.rb.lax.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:34] firecall [02:43] lamont: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6484 === lordan [~lordan@217.20.251.30] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [~tritium@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:30] Are versionings containing ~ allowed in Ubuntu at this point? [03:30] s/versionings/versions/ === zenwhen [zenwhen@h-67-102-63-103.phlapafg.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFit1 [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:50] i just wanyted to tell you all that Ubuntu runs perfectly on this old P2266Mhz laptop with 160MB of ram using XFCE. [03:50] Everything "just works". [03:50] wanted* [03:51] Hoary === usual [~colin@cpe-24-194-194-177.nycap.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["What] === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-215-68-80.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:59] every time I look in here I see usual's quit message === tritium [~tritium@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === sjoerd [sjoerd@simons.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:11] helix, perhaps you live in a timezone which most other dont? so you always get here when we go to sleap ;) [04:11] maybe [04:11] helix: it's a sign. watch more kevin smith movies. [04:11] nooo === wasabi_ [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ is now known as wasabi [04:30] okay [04:30] something is pushing my clock forward an hour [04:30] and no reboot is involved [04:30] ntpdate fixes it up [04:30] not running ntp [04:32] that happened to me after I upgraded to hoary on the weekend [04:32] I put it down to bizarre space aliens tampering with DST === SepheeBear [~SepheeBea@24-193-111-253.nyc.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:45] mdz: cool === lamont wonders why he has to click in the border of a window to raise it now, instead of just anywhere in the window... [05:02] hrm... sound is busted [05:04] hrm... scanner works on the laptop, but not when connected to the desktop (which has cupsys configured to talk to the printer...) [05:06] Is ~ allowed in the Ubuntu archive? [05:06] It's very useful. =) [05:06] (versioning) [05:09] wasabi: pretty sure the answer is 'not yet', if you're talking about version numbers [05:09] Yeah, i am. [05:11] So, any suggetsions on this version number? I have a package, gjdoc.... It's a CVS checkout. It is labeld 0.7.1pre3. My checkout is post pre3, but pre pre4 (or release). [05:12] Was going to do 0.7.1~pre3.20050212 which is very clear and very useful... but apparently not. =) [05:12] 0.7.0.99pre3.20050212 [05:12] oh hi. =) [05:13] thx for your help on the other side heh. [05:13] I'm stalking you. === tuo2 [~foo@218-215-8-253.people.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:17] Mithrandir : php5 for hoary would be a mistake. php5 in debian is still a mystery right now (what's in queue/new almost certainly shouldn't be there) [05:21] morning guys [05:24] kent: helix lives in a time zone apart from the rest of the world ;-) [05:24] my timezone is awesome [05:24] you're somewhere in the middle of the pacific I think [05:25] I wish [05:25] or perhaps you're in Antarctica, and can just run around the pole and change time zones at will [05:26] I live in an igloo and frolic with polar bears === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-215-68-80.eastlink.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [05:31] in antartica? [05:31] yes [05:32] there are no polar bears in Antarctica [05:32] have you ever been here? [05:33] no, I wish [05:33] and the Inuits live in the arctic as well [05:33] (although I'm sure you could build igloos in antarctica if you wished) [05:34] building polar bears is trickier [05:34] mdz: could I call myself an antarctist? [05:34] helix: I suppose you could say you practice antarcty === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu Development UP ALL NIGHT | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals [05:35] heh [05:35] ehehe === mdz puts on boomtown rats [05:37] what kind of music is that? [05:37] cheesy 80s tunes [05:37] specifically "up all night" [05:38] I like lionel richie's "fiesta" for those kinds of moods [05:38] I think it's lionel richie [05:38] billy ocean [05:39] nah, it's lionel richie [05:39] "all night long" [05:39] billy ocean sang that o/~ get outta my dreams, get into my car o/~ song [05:45] daniels: ping? [05:45] pong, yo [05:46] i'm just eating lunch, be with you in a sec [05:46] daniels: sure [05:46] enjoy :-) [05:46] pasta :) [05:46] ehehhe [05:55] I bet fabbione's pasta could beat up your pasta [05:59] hey, don't hate on my pasta [05:59] gnocchi is love [05:59] as is sugar. mmm, sugar. [06:00] I don't like sugar [06:00] I like starch [06:00] mmm, potatoes [06:00] and protein, mm, protein [06:00] glorious legumes [06:00] gotta control my carb intake [06:00] legumes++ [06:00] mdz: you're ruining my fast ;( [06:00] pasta++ [06:01] helix: serves you right for having an eat-a-thon without me [06:01] dude, that's so unfair [06:01] http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione/pasta/ [06:01] I begged you to come [06:01] and I told you I had a prior engagement :-( [06:01] mdz: sugar is wakey [06:01] there is so much good food in nyc [06:01] mdz: yeah, but those are mostly gone [06:01] and I'm there for 10 days! [06:01] fabbione: i'll chuck all my stuff on chinstrap in a sec, just need to clean up this script [06:02] that's like, forever [06:02] stuff could move into debian testing in 10 days [06:02] daniels: sure. i am digging into esd stuff... do you know what starts it? [06:02] hahaha [06:02] daniels: i can't find any reference in /etc [06:02] fabbione: i assume it's started by gnome-session [06:02] helix: in this case there is this heavy soname transition going on [06:02] word to sonames [06:03] mdz: wait, and you're involved in it? [06:03] helix: booo [06:03] :) [06:04] mdz: I'm still not seeing the problem. pretty much all of NYC has a wireless connection. [06:04] you could work anywhere! [06:04] daniels: hmm and where do we tell gnome-session to start esd? [06:05] helix: this is a personal trip, not a professional one [06:05] I'm visiting my family [06:05] fabbione: i don't know sorry ... ez gtk boog [06:05] I'll keep trying [06:05] fabbione: you'd really have to ask seb or jdub on this one [06:05] my mother has been sick :-/ [06:05] mdz: hope everything turns out ok [06:06] fabbione: gnome-session does it itself, see sound properties [06:06] mdz: oops :( *hugs* [06:06] I don't think she's dying, but I can never get the truth out of her over the phone [06:06] jdub: what we need to do is have esd start with a variable device [06:06] HMM [06:07] there is also the problem that esd is limited [06:07] speaking of sonames, /me uploads flac [06:07] where all _four_ of its shared libraries have been incremented this time [06:07] * the_world waits in horror [06:07] mdz: 1.1.2? === daniels weeps. [06:07] crimsun: yes [06:07] mdz: joy! [06:08] daniels: aha [06:08] mdz: is charles going to hate you for this? [06:08] jdub: well, I'm only uploading it to Debian so far [06:09] I don't see any particular justification for a FeatureFreeze exception in Ubuntu [06:09] oh, nice. "in case it breaks, muahahaha" [06:09] though, it does fix a versioning error [06:09] 1.1.1 changed ABI without a soname increment in one of the libraries [06:09] i don't think it's used in Ubuntu main [06:10] I've triggered the id3v1 tag bug that's fixed in 1.1.2, actually [06:10] but I'll deal :) [06:11] jdub: I think charles has only done a couple of packages so far === fabbione sighs === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:16] daniels, jdub: sometimes between today and xmas? :P === mvo_ [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daniels frowns. [06:26] Kamion: ping? [06:28] <_mvo_> daniels: he's very likely sleeping [06:30] mmm, true [06:30] mdz: do you know how to get a mini.iso out of the daily build? [06:31] daniels: it's in there somewhere [06:32] mdz: i'm kicking cron.daily by hand, and no mini.iso is forthcoming [06:32] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/daily-installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso [06:32] mdz: right, but I need to kick my own [06:32] mdz: need a cd with l-i -17 installed [06:32] make netboot_blah_blah [06:32] daniels: install or live? [06:33] isn't -17 the current version in hoary? [06:33] mdz: install [06:33] I could roll a build on little for you [06:33] mdz: i have cdimage access to little, dude [06:33] so what do you need exactly? [06:33] mdz: i kicked a build with cron.daily and environment variables up the hizzay, but /srv/cdimage.u.c/scratch doesn't have a mini.iso [06:33] a fresher d-i build? [06:33] dude, you are in the wrong place [06:33] yeah, a mini.iso built for i386 with what's in the archive now [06:33] mini.iso is built by d-i [06:33] you're at the debian-cd level [06:33] d'oh [06:34] I can kick off a d-i build (for reference, so can lamont and Kamion) [06:34] that would be awesome, thanks [06:34] just as long as I can get my hands on a mini.iso with l-i -178 [06:34] er, -17 [06:34] daniels: it'll take a while to get to -178, I hope... :-) [06:35] heh [06:35] daniels: building now [06:35] mdz: thanks a lot [06:39] any reason mono isn't available on amd64 [06:40] -rw-r--r-- 1 bluefox users 12701 Nov 13 19:28 amd64-codegen.h [06:40] bluefoxicy: because it only really works with mono 1.1, which requires a complete packaging. it's in universe, so if you want to totally repackage that and line it up with motu, that'd be great, thanks. [06:43] bluefoxicy: I expect it's because I have to bootstrap it [06:44] if someone tells me that what's in the archive should actually work, I'll turn the crank - but it'd be nice to know that before I spend time on it... [06:44] hmm [06:44] daniels: not tonight, and i really have nfc what I'm doing anyway [06:45] lamont: nope, needs repackaging [06:45] but if you want to walk me through it tomorrow some time (3:30p EST I have an interview) [06:45] it may provide a good learning experience. [06:45] once I learned to write ebuilds on gentoo I brushed 'em up and tested patches at my liesure, and also wrote a few to contribute [06:46] nothing says I won't do the same if I can get past dpkg's learning curve [06:46] no, i really do not have the time; there is some excellent documentation on www.debian.org/devl/newmaint/ that have served fine for around 1000+ new maintainers [06:46] er, /devel/newmaint/ [06:47] ok [06:47] well, i"m the hands-on type. More like I'm lazy; my idea of documentation is "Here we will do X and there we tell you what you're doing. Build X, read the other real docs, and you should know exactly what your'e doing and have a process to modify for everything else" [06:47] but eh [06:48] not your job to babysit me [06:49] there's a difference between being hands-on and having a bash at things (which is also my style of learning) and needing to be spoonfed [06:49] I know. [06:50] like I said, lazy. [06:50] I'll read the first line of documentation and then drop straight to the bottom of the screen like "blahblahblah where's the part that tells me to put files somewhere and enter some command" [06:53] that's probably an attribute you'll want to work on [06:53] ya think? [06:54] I did actually build some debian packages a while back [06:54] which is worrisome: my character's gotten bad over time. [06:54] I like contributing, but I'm so damn anal I annoy the shit out of everyone, and when they give me something to do I don't do it o.O === helix is shocked [06:55] and I'm flooding the channel again [06:55] I should shut up now. [06:57] daniels: build is finished [06:57] daniels: it'll need elmo love in order to get into the archive [06:58] but lamont might be able to snatch it from the jaws of the buildds [06:58] ok, thanks [06:58] uncle laamoooonnnnttttt ... :) [07:05] lamont: -17 has changed the ABI? === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@210.18.160.134] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:08] hi all [07:08] updated to hoary [07:09] how do i know whether udev is runing or no ? [07:10] lamont: ? [07:15] how do i know whether udev is runing or no ? [07:16] fabbione: I don't believe it has? [07:16] it did.. probably due to inotify update [07:16] daniels: shortly after it d-i finishes uploading, it goes *poof* [07:16] lamont: i guess you are going to sleep soon, aren't you? [07:16] yeah [07:16] ok [07:16] fabbione: GAH! - scream at zul, eh? [07:17] fabbione, lamont: how do i know whether udev is running ? [07:17] lamont: i need to revert one patch at a time to figure that out... === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Arrogance [~aks@CPE0050ba556e4b-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@210.18.160.134] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [07:20] lamont: can i go with -18 if i find the change and it is undoable? [07:20] lamont: if the security patch changes the ABI than we need to do it properly [07:21] fabbione: sure [07:22] ok === BlackHussar [~BlackHuss@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:26] fabbione: out of curiosity (and because I _should_ know in the future) what made you realize that the abi had changed? [07:26] modprobe nvidia [07:26] :-) [07:27] to test the ABI you install the new kernel without rebooting [07:27] and try to load a module [07:27] if the module will load the ABI is the same [07:27] or it is supposed to be the same [07:27] if it doesn't the ABI is broken [07:31] ah, cool === lamont will remember === dholbach [~dholbach@td9091a7c.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:37] morning guys [07:45] lamont: so when does mini.iso hit cdimage.u.c? === d3vic3 [~cc@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:50] hi d3vic3 [07:50] hi === stub [~stub@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:54] daniels: as soon as elmo puts it in the archive [07:54] assuming it's built as part of the build. [07:54] OTOH, I do have the tarball still sittinga round on the buildd, I expect... [07:54] ah, so it's byhanded [07:55] if I could get at the mini.iso at all, that would be fantastic === carlos [~carlos@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] good morning all [07:57] hi doko [07:58] <_mvo_> hi doko === jamesh [~james@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mantiena [~ubuntu@193.219.14.141] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:01] Kamion, hi === rubenv [~lambda1@kn-res.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Safari_Al [~tr@ppp47-105.lns1.adl1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:48] brb === tuo2 [~foo@218-215-8-253.people.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === tuo2 [~foo@218-215-8-253.people.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tuo2 [~foo@218-215-8-253.people.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rubenv [~lambda1@kn-res.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rubenv [~lambda1@kn-res.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fwiffo [~fwiffo@dhcpserver0.oersted.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martink [~martin@pD9EB2BC6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti_ [~martin@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:08] Morning [09:08] fabbione: bah, 2.6.11 reproducably crashes on my desktop [09:09] lamont: still around? [09:10] pitti_: it's not a case it is in universe [09:10] + it's a bk snapshot and not a full 2.6.11 [09:10] fabbione: I know, I just thought you were interested in hearing reports [09:11] pitti_: just open a bug in bugzilla for now [09:11] fabbione: it crashes always at exactly the same time (already under Gnome), I still suspect inotify [09:11] try to boot with noinotify [09:11] fabbione: I'll open a bug if I have something to write into [09:11] and see if it still crashes [09:11] okay, I'll do that at next boot [09:11] ok === Keybuk [~scott@host217-37-231-25.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] lamont: -18 uploaded. I had to revert the security fix and the inotify update [09:18] lamont: why the security fix? [09:19] pitti_: the sign patch changes the kernel ABI [09:19] and it needs to be handled properly [09:19] ah, ok [09:19] -18 is a temporary kernel while the team will take care of getting it right in -19 [09:19] since it takes a while to sync everything [09:31] elmo: htdig sync, please [10:05] latest daily install cd won't install base, missing memtest86+, what's the bugzilla product to report against? === kent [~kent@c83-249-62-87.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:11] lamont: still here? [10:12] elmo: ping === dredg [niall@malkovich.office.blacknight.ie] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:18] Kamion, maybe you could help me to test my d-i component, which replaces base-installer ? I have troubles with runing d-i in chroot :( [10:19] fabbione: A good test WRT "same kernel interface" is to check if the generated Module.symvers file is identical (or rather "sort +1 Module.symvers | cut -f 1-2") === koke [~koke@rm-001-26.serve.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-48-25.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] fabbione: Just installing a module or two risks missing something [10:21] Kamion: have another bug :) if you enter the root password wrong (expert mode), you only get prompted to re-enter it [10:22] i.e. only the second question gets asked, so you have to reproduce the typo you made the first time [10:22] nice one === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] <_mvo_> ping haggai === maskie [~maskie@196-30-109-136.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lupusBE [~lupus@dD577296E.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:42] elmo: mnogosearch sync, please === Astharot [~isager@host251-99.pool8252.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === d3vic3 [~cc@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:50] daniels: for a mini.iso, it's way easier to just build it yourself! [10:50] Kamion: yeah, didn't know it came from d-i ... such is life [10:50] i assumed it was part of the d-c build process [10:51] daniels: get the debian-installer source, cd build, set up sources.list.udeb.local with stuff like 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main/debian-installer', 'fakeroot make rebuild_netboot' [10:51] which we all know makes an ass out of u and some dude called med [10:51] Kamion: phat === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-18-183.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:51] mantiena: could you put the source package somewhere and I'll have a look when I get a chance? now is not an excellent time but if you give me the URL then I can have a look later [10:53] _mvo_: pong === Kinnison [~dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:54] pitti_: [feature request] pumount /media/* [10:54] Kamion, it would be better if you tell me how get d-i menu working in chroot. I analyzed Makefile's demo target as you told and started d-i with command: sudo chroot $TREE bin/sh -c "export DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 ; /usr/bin/debconf-loadtemplate debian /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.templates; exec /usr/share/debconf/frontend /usr/bin/main-menu" [10:54] (ie. don't bitch that /media/sda1 isn't under /dev) [10:55] mantiena: well, that would be what I'd try first, and then debug it into existence from there [10:55] Kamion, before this I mounted proc and dev: sudo /bin/mount -t devfs dev $(TREE)/dev [10:55] sudo /bin/mount -t proc proc $(TREE)/proc [10:55] don't use devfs [10:55] mount --bind /dev $(TREE)/dev [10:55] $TREE/dev in fact, given that you aren't in make [10:56]