[12:00] <skel_home> ah ok so Hoary would be like sarge / sid
[12:00] <skel_home> ok cool
[12:00] <krism> i can get 6.0/768 adsl for 150/month,
[12:00] <krism> but a t1 would just be so much cooler!
[12:00] <hybrid> whats the difference from t1 and t3
[12:00] <eyequeue> 2
[12:00] <hybrid> no i believe both r on sid
[12:00] <skel_home> krism: got fios in your area?
[12:00] <krism> a whole bunch of speed
[12:00] <BiteMeBill> 1.5 for $49 here and 3.0 for $89
[12:00] <hybrid> but hoary is more bleeding edge
[12:00] <krism> skel_home : unfortunately, no
[12:00] <skel_home> hybrid: t1 is 1.5  up/down and t3 is 40mb
[12:00] <skel_home> krism: I can't wait for that
[12:00] <hybrid> oo
[12:01] <krism> yeah, that'd be sweet
[12:01] <hybrid> i want optic fiber internet
[12:01] <BiteMeBill> krism: Why not just an OC3?  Now that would be cooler.
[12:01] <ja5on> wow 40mb
[12:01] <hybrid> **fiber optic
[12:01] <krism> it's 499/month with a 1year contract and 32 ips
[12:01] <ja5on> You dont see that in the UK on a consumer scale
[12:01] <krism> for a full T1
[12:02] <krism> BiteMeBill : well, mostly 'coz i dont have like 20k/month to blow :-D
[12:02] <BiteMeBill> krism:  LOL
[12:02] <skel_home> hah 20k.. I wish oc3 were that cheap
[12:02] <krism> skel_home : *shrug* my stab in the dark guess
[12:03] <skel_home> krism: 100mb colo with hurricane electric is like 20k =P
[12:03] <linuxn00b> hi :)
[12:03] <Skwid_> i have 8 mb here :)
[12:03] <randabis-laptop> oc48 would rock lol
[12:03] <krism> skel_home ahh :)
[12:03] <krism> brb phone :-/
[12:04] <BiteMeBill> I'll just wait for WiMax
[12:04] <skel_home> wi-hax?
[12:04] <skel_home> isn't that 802.16 ?
[12:04] <scizzo> jdub: hi
[12:05] <BiteMeBill> skel_home: Just starting to look more into it and it does look very promising and the next wave of the future.
[12:05] <skel_home> BiteMeBill: I would say so for non-critical stuff.. like a cyber-cafe ring or something
[12:06] <M3|Away> oc192 tbh.
[12:06] <ompaul> dredg, have u looked at xen the uml like program?
[12:06] <skel_home> BiteMeBill: anything that can be ddos'd with some microwave parts is a little too sketchy for me =P
[12:06] <BiteMeBill> skel_home: No not just for cafe's.  complete communities.
[12:06] <dredg> ompaul: no, but i'm told you have.
[12:06] <hybrid> does anyone know if wine works on ppc?
[12:07] <skel_home> hybrid: no it does not
[12:07] <DeepSpaceAnt> guys whats a good ftp client? gftp frankly, isnt good enough
[12:07] <ompaul> I had a brief look I believe it might be interesting
[12:08] <jdub> DeepSpaceAnt: nautilus :)
[12:08] <skel_home> hybrid: but you can try mol (www.maconlinux.org)
[12:08] <hybrid> ok
[12:08] <hybrid> thnx
[12:08] <dredg> ompaul: will the xen folks force me to do nasty nasty things with routing?
[12:08] <DeepSpaceAnt> jdub, wat FTP? it does ftp ? lol
[12:08] <edulix> konqueror :P
[12:08] <eyequeue> DeepSpaceAnt:  it also does sftp:// :)
[12:08] <kent> maconlinux? should it not be "linux on mac"?  :)
[12:08] <DeepSpaceAnt> eyequeue, oh yea..damni forgot :)
[12:08] <DeepSpaceAnt> haha
[12:08] <ompaul> dredg, not that I know of but the thought of it is nasty anyway compressing lots of working o/ss on the same box
[12:09] <eyequeue> i'd rather see the ftp protocol die though
[12:09] <scizzo> MikeGTN: ;)
[12:09] <BiteMeBill> kent: it was better than Mac on drugs!  :->
[12:09] <dredg> ompaul: cos seriously, after making ipv6 work in uml i know more about the internals of linux routing than my brain can deal with
[12:09] <DeepSpaceAnt> well i need to work :)
[12:09] <skel_home> kent: I think he wants something that he can run MS products on =]  and wines api stuff is x86 only
[12:09] <DeepSpaceAnt> haah
[12:09] <ompaul> dredg, as long as there is no field effect you will be grand
[12:10] <dredg> ompaul: actually, i should be able to knock up an ubuntu uml with little effort. go debootstrap
[12:10] <ompaul> dredg, now that might be very interesting scratch might would
[12:11] <dredg> ompaul: would take about 15mins of tweakage
[12:11] <ompaul> for you to get there or when installed?
[12:12] <dredg> i'd have to re-remember all the crazy stuff i had to do first time round though. ick.
[12:12] <dredg> when installed. i'm not doing it now :)
[12:13] <dredg> i should also find another ipv6 provider
[12:13] <DeepSpaceAnt> bah wheres the keyring manager so i can clear my passwords?
[12:13] <kent> skel_home, i missunderstood it anyway. i thought it was a typo for running linux on mac hardware. I read the homepage, its about running osx/mac os on linux/ppc.  Its kind of interesting, though i cant use it since i have no ppc :(
[12:13] <dredg> ompaul: does xen support ipv6? is it's grasp of networking sane? do i have to route /32's down unnumbered tap interfaces?
[12:14] <DeepSpaceAnt> bah wheres the keyring manager so i can clear my passwords?
[12:14] <skel_home> kent: yeah its not emu either, its direct api stuff.. pretty fast.
[12:14] <skel_home> kent: I've got debian on an ibook and I use mol for viewing flash sites and java development
[12:14] <ompaul> dredg, I have not got it up and running but I know a man who has - BarryF
[12:15] <ompaul> I can ask him - I have to talk to him in the next couple of days
[12:15] <dredg> ompaul: i'll poke at it in the morning.
[12:15] <ompaul> if you want
[12:16] <ompaul> dredg, given barry's past I would doubt he would do stuff that is only "half" a network
[12:16] <hybrid_brb> skel_home what all does mol do?
[12:16] <DeepSpaceAnt> guys how can i clear my passwords nautilius stored?
[12:16] <dredg> ompaul: yeah, but how is his ipv6? :)
[12:16] <farruinn> DeepSpaceAnt: we heard you the first three times, if someone knows they'll tell you
[12:16] <dcoli> hey fellas ~ what's the relationship between ubuntu and debian? does it incorporate all changes made to debian? thanks!
[12:17] <tpdd> so how common is it for the installer to crash when it starts up the partitioner
[12:17] <ompaul> dredg, don't know but there you go
[12:17] <DeepSpaceAnt> farruinn, it should be something really simple...
[12:17] <ompaul> dredg, I will ask him
[12:17] <dredg> dcoli: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/view
[12:17] <skel_home> hybrid_brb: runs mac osx inside linux like vmware.. except its direct api and not emulation
[12:18] <dredg> ompaul: don't worry about it :) i'll see what i can make it do tomorrow :)
[12:18] <ompaul> dredg, okay then
[12:18] <ompaul> dredg, talk soon
[12:18] <dredg> goodnight then
[12:20] <dcoli> dredg: thanks, i had just found it myself. sorry for the trouble.
[12:20] <edulix> anyone having problems with backports?
[12:21] <hybrid> where is synaptic in hoary
[12:21] <edulix> Desktop menu > Administration
[12:21] <hybrid> ok thnx
[12:22] <hybrid> skel_home mol isnt very big
[12:22] <randabis> edulix, no, because I don't use them
[12:25] <edulix> randabis: uhm, so you're "anyone" and because of that you answered my question ? lol
[12:25] <edulix> anyway, the're now back
[12:26] <mroth> is anyone running Sunbird under hoary?
[12:26] <randabis> "anyone" does not refer to a specific person
[12:26] <hybrid> mroth idk if anyone is in this room he just left :p
[12:27] <randabis> I haven't bothered with sunbird
[12:27] <paulproteus> What is Sunbird?
[12:28] <paulproteus> Is that the new Mozilla calendaring application?
[12:28] <hybrid> free ical
[12:28] <paulproteus> (Is it packaged?)
[12:28] <mroth> paulproteus: yeah
[12:28] <mroth> not packaged in deb or ubu yet afaik
[12:28] <kbrooks> I want to findz0r the fscking source 0f ruby 1.8.2
[12:28] <hybrid> Mozilla == opensource everything closed source
[12:29] <paulproteus> kbrooks: Just google ruby 1.8.2
[12:29] <paulproteus> The third hit or so is ruby-lang.org, which has a download link.
[12:29] <hybrid> Mozilla itunes would rule
[12:29] <kbrooks> dude.
[12:29] <kbrooks> it's in my machine i know it
[12:29] <kbrooks> but where
[12:29] <paulproteus> heh.
[12:29] <dredg> man find
[12:29] <dredg> or meh, find / -name "ruby*"
[12:30] <dredg> substitute something more accurate for ruby* :)
[12:31] <skel_home> hybrid: nope, not big because you already have the hw arch to do most everything you need
[12:32] <hybrid> i like small
[12:32] <kbrooks> grrrr
[12:32] <hybrid> skel_home this is better than pearos for x86
[12:32] <kbrooks> i am pissed off
[12:33] <DeepSpaceAnt> is the ftp client in nautilus not working in hoary right now? (i cant connect over)
[12:34] <skel_home> hybrid: well pearpc is emulation
[12:34] <hybrid> yea
[12:34] <hybrid> this isnt
[12:34] <M3|Away> WOo! :D I just made myself some new shortcuts in hoary :D
[12:34] <M3|Away> yay!
[12:34] <skel_home> hybrid: wine is like mol whereas pearpc is like vmware / virtualpc
[12:34] <M3|Away> er.. sorry lol you wouldnt believe how long I've been trying to do it.
[12:34] <kent> I seem to have a problem. I have configured the printer in gnome at my brothers computer, but gimp have no "print" in the menu :(  Even my computer which dont have a printer has a "print" in gimp. Strange :(
[12:34] <hybrid> ok kool
[12:35] <gareth> 'lo
[12:35] <lOSTmONK> does ubuntu have java in the repos?
[12:35] <kalila> dont think so
[12:36] <kalila> if you mean sun's java, that is
[12:36] <ssam> kent, is that in the file menu on the image window?
[12:36] <hybrid> ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[12:37] <lOSTmONK> yes thats what i mean
[12:37] <hybrid> then it say ur repo should look like ...
[12:37] <lOSTmONK> no j2re?
[12:37] <lOSTmONK> u gotta be joking
[12:37] <hybrid> the last line has jave
[12:37] <hybrid> java
[12:37] <kent> ssam, yes.  On my computer in gimp, i have a "print" in there. But on gimp (which i run over ssh from my brothers computer) i have no "print"   :(  I need some program to test the printer with graphics..
[12:37] <hou5ton> hey, ... i'm thinking of dual booting on my laptop (has two hard drives) ... and wondering if I can expect any grief from the graphics card: ATI Mobility Radeon 9700
[12:38] <ssam> kent, gimp has two file menus, one in the tools window and one on the image window, they are for some clever reson different
[12:38] <hybrid> LOSTmONK add this to sources.list deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian/ ./
[12:38] <BockBilbo> any of you here has have any problems with php and pcre????
[12:38] <BockBilbo> :s
[12:39] <BockBilbo> its wierd.. but i get an error when opening php files
[12:39] <BockBilbo> it gives me warnings such as this one:
[12:39] <BockBilbo> Warning: preg_match: internal pcre_fullinfo() error -3 in /var/www/blog/wp-includes/vars.php on line
[12:40] <BockBilbo> any of you knows what the problem might be?
[12:40] <lOSTmONK> argh
[12:40] <lOSTmONK> hybrid, bad line man
[12:41] <skel_home> BockBilbo: already try #php?
[12:41] <BockBilbo> skel_home, nope
[12:41] <lOSTmONK> malformed, excuse me
[12:41] <BockBilbo> though, some people told me that i should download a package that isnt on ubuntus apt repositories
[12:41] <BockBilbo> :s
[12:42] <hybrid> worked for me LOSTmONK
[12:42] <skel_home> BockBilbo: http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=29914
[12:42] <hybrid> make sure it is deb blah in one line and not commented
[12:43] <lOSTmONK>  deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian/
[12:43] <lOSTmONK> thatas the line right?
[12:43] <hybrid>  deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian/ ./
[12:44] <lOSTmONK> aha
[12:44] <ssam> where can i get libdvdcss2 for ppc
[12:44] <lOSTmONK> whats it listed as in the repo?
[12:44] <eruin> can apt-get be set to ignore some packages?
[12:45] <eruin> like, say, the broken apache2 in hoary? :P
[12:45] <hybrid> LOSTmONK : o_0
[12:45] <vjaz> Anyone else think that it's outrageous that dragging and dropping a music file from Nautilus to Rhythmbox is not possible / doesn't work?
[12:45] <vjaz> (Also, anyone know if it's supposed to work. It doesn't work for me.)
[12:46] <marcin_ant> vjaz: AFAIK it works
[12:46] <paulproteus> eruin: If you want, use package pinning.
[12:46] <eruin> vjaz: wfm
[12:46] <ik-G4> hi
[12:46] <marcin_ant> vjaz: but you have to aim
[12:46] <eruin> paulproteus: where might I get info on that?
[12:46] <paulproteus> eruin: I think there's info on the Ubuntu wiki.
[12:46] <eruin> pagefault: cheers mate ;)
[12:46] <bascule> vjaz: it doesn't work, and it is somewhat outrageous ;)
[12:46] <ik-G4> any one knows how can i install gftp? if posible?
[12:46] <M3ta7h3ad> apt-get install gftp
[12:46] <marcin_ant> vjaz: and drop on this panel on left side of rhythmbox window
[12:47] <paulproteus> eruin: My policy is, Thank me when it works.
[12:47] <hybrid> any1 know of a  good music spot for linux
[12:47] <vjaz> marcin_ant, Really?
[12:47] <M3ta7h3ad> or sudo apt-get install gftp
[12:47] <vjaz> marcin_ant, Sounds weird.
[12:47] <pagefault> eruin, cheers
[12:47] <ik-G4> oki m3ta =)
[12:47] <M3ta7h3ad> :)
[12:47] <skel_home> hybrid: define "good music spot" like streaming? apps? what?
[12:47] <pagefault> eruin, can I help you with something?
[12:47] <marcin_ant> just a second - I need to verify
[12:47] <eruin> pagefault, sorry, I mis-tabbed ;) that was for paulproteus
[12:47] <paulproteus> hybrid: Radio Paradise online is really good.
[12:47] <hybrid> skel_home to d/l music
[12:47] <pagefault> eruin, lol :)
[12:47] <pagefault> eruin, I wondered for a second
[12:47] <ssam> shouldn't we tell newbies to use synaptic rather than apt-get?
[12:48] <skel_home> hybrid: www.allofmp3.com
[12:48] <paulproteus> ssam: I agree.
[12:48] <kent> ssam, neither the tools menu nor the image menu gives me a print option :(  I just dont get it. I know i cant ask for help here, since he runs Fedora, it seems like the most strange bug i ever seen. Not getting a print option? even me who have no printer has that option in gimp :(
[12:48] <guelah> i am a serious newb to linux/ubuntu and need some help with video drivers?
[12:48] <skel_home> ssam: you can't screw up "apt-get install X-package-here"
[12:48] <M3ta7h3ad> ssam: synaptic involves about 3 or 4 steps
[12:48] <M3ta7h3ad> apt-get involves 1 :D
[12:48] <bascule> kent, up2date gimp-print yum gimp-print ?
[12:48] <M3ta7h3ad> as skel_home says.. less to screw up :)
[12:48] <hybrid> M3ta ; :)
[12:48] <vjaz> marcin_ant, Just tested it. It seems like I need to drop the file on the "Library".
[12:49] <hou5ton> I'll try again ..... I'm thinking of doing a dual boot install on my laptop (have two hard drives) and wonder if the ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 will give me any grief?
[12:49] <kent> bascule, ahh.. will try that. thanks :)
[12:49] <marcin_ant> vjaz: exactly
[12:49] <marcin_ant> vjaz: I wanted to say this
[12:49] <bai_> is it possible to extract the root directory structure which is used by the livecd without booting the livecd?  I'm assuming it's all contained in mainmod/mainmod.mod but I can't tell what type of file .mod is
[12:49] <marcin_ant> vjaz: I know that it is stupid but... .you know we have more things like this in gnome :D
[12:49] <bascule> I see, playlists stumped me too, it is perhaps too easy for them, just drag a file in ... blinfingly obvious :)
[12:49] <kent> personaly i think that even though apt-get involves less steps, its a nightmare for new users. synaptic is easy to understand and lets people get a grip about what is happening. that way they can manage it by them self next time.
[12:50] <ssam> but they can learn how to use synaptic pretty easily
[12:50] <guelah> hi... i installed ubuntu on one computer and then transported the hard drive to another.. now i dont boot into the graphical interface, i just get a command line. i am a complete newb to linux/ubuntu and i am guessing that it is an issue with my video card? i would really like to get it working, if anyone can help
[12:50] <ik-G4> i dont remember the root password =/ what can i do? =/
[12:50] <paulproteus> ik-G4: Do you remember your user password?
[12:50] <ssam> and then next time they want to install something they can
[12:50] <skel_home> ik-G4: boot into single user mode and reset it
[12:50] <bai> I'm trying to install the Ubuntu livecd from within freebsd and I don't have a cd burner : |
[12:50] <marcin_ant> vjaz: I'm not sure if there is a bug report about this behaviour in rhythmbox...
[12:50] <ik-G4> yes paul
[12:50] <paulproteus> ik-G4: The 'root' account is usually disabled.
[12:50] <Lee__> ik-G4: sudo su -
[12:50] <paulproteus> You should use sudo rather than su.
[12:50] <vjaz> I think if there isn't I'm going to make one now.
[12:50] <skel_home> you're not in the sudo list by default in ubuntu are you?
[12:51] <ik-G4> oki =)
[12:51] <ssam> and they can browes through synaptic and go, wow it so easy to install loads of stuff for free in linux
[12:51] <paulproteus> skel_home: Yes, you are.
[12:51] <Lee__> yeah you are. it's like OS X.
[12:51] <bascule> skel_home: you have to be, how else would you edit it?
[12:51] <skel_home> paulproteus: yikes! thats not good
[12:51] <randabis> why is that not good?
[12:51] <paulproteus> bascule: r00t your own box first! ;)
[12:51] <Lee__> yikes?
[12:51] <skel_home> bascule: well I'd imagine you'd set a root password on install
[12:51] <bai> ah hah, it's a compressed loop
[12:51] <skel_home> bascule: and add yourself
[12:51] <Lee__> root's disabled.
[12:51] <M3ta7h3ad> ssam lol true but it leads to cock ups :D
[12:51] <bascule> skel_home: that is the ubuntu difference , no root account at install ...
[12:52] <paulproteus> skel_home: There's a long discussion about this on the wiki.
[12:52] <skel_home> paulproteus: ok I'll read up
[12:52] <guelah> >>> hi... i installed ubuntu on one computer and then transported the hard drive to another.. now i dont boot into the graphical interface, i just get a command line. i am a complete newb to linux/ubuntu and i am guessing that it is an issue with my video card? i would really like to get it working, if anyone can help<<<<< i apologize for my ignorance
[12:52] <M3ta7h3ad> ik-G4: type "sudo apt-get install gftp" without the quotes and it should work
[12:52] <ssam> its hard to mess up synaptic
[12:52] <randabis> yeah by default root cannot log in
[12:52] <M3ta7h3ad> ik-G4 failing that type "sudo passwd root"
[12:52] <kent> bascule, it seems that he has gimp-print installed :( so i still cant see why he has no print-option in gimp :(
[12:52] <bascule> guelah: dpkg --reconfigure xfree-something I cant remeber
[12:52] <M3ta7h3ad> and type in a password
[12:52] <randabis> bascule, there is a root account actually...he just can't login
[12:52] <M3ta7h3ad> lol ssam, your talking to someone who did an "update" in synaptic..
[12:53] <bascule> kent: no printer enabled?
[12:53] <M3ta7h3ad> I ended up screwing over my entire debian system before now.
[12:53] <ik-G4> it say cant find gfpt
[12:53] <M3ta7h3ad> thats because its gftp :)
[12:53] <ssam> gftp
[12:53] <ik-G4> sudo apt-get install gftp
[12:54] <M3ta7h3ad> yep that should do it.
[12:54] <kent> bascule, its enabled (using system-config-printer in fedora). But does it matter? i get that menu on my computer, and i have no printer at all.  I will take this to #fedora
[12:54] <ssam> i am comfortable installing from source and messing with makefiles, but i much prefer synaptic
[12:54] <bascule> kent: OK, sounds like no printer, have to try another app to be sure though
[12:54] <ik-G4> cant find package gftp =/
[12:54] <M3ta7h3ad> lol ssam, I am the same I can screw around with ./configure all day, but if I intend to "browse" then I'll use synaptic, but if its a quick one program thing, I whip open a terminal and bang in the apt-get command
[12:55] <mebaran151> Heh crimsun
[12:55] <mebaran151> I fixed my sound
[12:55] <M3ta7h3ad> er.. ik-G4 type sudo apt-get update
[12:55] <ik-G4> =) ok
[12:55] <M3ta7h3ad> I dont think you have downloaded the catalogue files. :)
[12:55] <mebaran151> it was the most trippy fix in the world
[12:55] <bascule> w00t, write a wiki  for everyone else ;)
[12:55] <mebaran151> I dont hink I was supposed to do it this way
[12:55] <M3ta7h3ad> so its searching its catalogue and not finding anything :) update will sort it out.
[12:55] <ssam> i'd say synaptic is one of the things that makes linux great, lots of free software to try out, and easy access to them
[12:55] <kent> bascule, do gimp and the rest of gnome use the same printer-system? or is gimp-print another printing system which i need to configure aswell?
[12:55] <M3ta7h3ad> hell yeah ssam, I fully agree.
[12:55] <bascule> no idea ;(
[12:55] <mebaran151> kent, gimp-print is just a dirver
[12:56] <ssam> :-)
[12:56] <mebaran151> the whole of ubuntu uses CUPS
[12:56] <M3ta7h3ad> But if I want to do something real fast, like I said I'll use the apt-get command :D
[12:56] <mebaran151> as the printing infrastructure
[12:56] <M3ta7h3ad> right I shall brb the porclain throne is beckoning.
[12:56] <mebaran151> M3ta7h3ad, thanks for sharing
[12:56] <Lee__> configure CUPS:   http://localhost:631/admin
[12:57] <ssam> lee_ isnt that disabled in ubuntu
[12:57] <kent> mebaran151, well, but the problem is fedora, i think. Since i run gimp remotly from his Fedora box. But.. i just cant see why its not givinig me a print menu..
[12:57] <Lee__> can Ubuntu hijack the bot from #debian?
[12:57] <Lee__> ssam: I hope not. it's quite useful.
[12:57] <mebaran151> did you give it your print command
[12:57] <mebaran151> I never did get printing to work from my linux box
[12:57] <skel_home> Lee__: I recommend the supybot =]  supybot.sf.net
[12:57] <mebaran151> quite the way I think it is supposed
[12:57] <mebaran151> to
[12:58] <paulproteus> Lee__, skel_home: I use jibot in #joiito and like it.
[12:58] <paulproteus> It can be a bit high-traffic, though.
[12:58] <Lee__> dpkg in #debian has really good answers to most FAQs like printing/xfree/sound
[12:58] <skel_home> i guess you can always tell ppl to msg him on whatever
[12:59] <Lee__> some are distro specific but not that many
[12:59] <M3ta7h3ad> lol mebaran151 I felt it was necessary :D
[12:59] <ik-G4> i type; sudo apt-get update and nothing hapen =/
[12:59] <Lee__> nothing?
[12:59] <ik-G4> only reading
[01:00] <ik-G4> list
[01:00] <Lee__> that's good. it's supposed to read the list.
[01:00] <amhso> Can someone help me make my local ip static?
[01:01] <bascule> turn DNCP off on your router
[01:01] <bascule> DHCP*
[01:01] <ik-G4> and i type: sudo apt-get install gftp and it doesnt find it =/
[01:01] <Lee__> amhso: /etc/network/interfaces
[01:01] <amhso> bascule: How do i do that
[01:01] <bascule> apt-cache search gftp
[01:01] <ik-G4> k =)
[01:01] <eklode> Anyone can help with an Xorg issue?
[01:01] <bascule> amhso: your router ... *shrug*
[01:01] <paulproteus> eklode: Ask the question, and then we'll see. :)
[01:02] <paulproteus> In general, don't ask to ask; just ask.
[01:02] <guelah> how does one switch from the command line to the standard ubuntu interface
[01:02] <paulproteus> amhso: One sec please.
[01:02] <amhso> ok.
[01:02] <eklode> Xorg starts, but I can't set the resolution to the one I want
[01:02] <eklode> tho its supported by the monitor
[01:02] <ik-G4> same thing bascule
[01:02] <eklode> it doesn't show in the list
[01:02] <Lee__> eklode: what's the error?
[01:03] <paulproteus> amhso: http://documents.made-it.com/Debian_Internet_Server/Debian_Internet_Server-5.html should help you.
[01:03] <paulproteus> Read "man interfaces" if you need more help, or ask me another question. :)
[01:03] <eklode> Lee_ the res simply doesn't show in the list
[01:03] <amhso> paulproteus: Thanks.
[01:03] <Lee__> eklode: which list? the Gnome one?
[01:03] <eklode> yes
[01:04] <bascule> root@Kript:/ # apt-cache search gftp
[01:04] <bascule> gftp-common - shared files for other gFTP packages
[01:04] <bascule> gftp-gtk - X/GTK+ FTP client
[01:04] <bascule> gftp - X/GTK+ FTP client
[01:04] <Lee__> ah, autodetection sometimes doesn't get it right. I'd imagine you should reconfigure xfree.
[01:04] <bascule> gftp-text - colored FTP client using GLib
[01:04] <ziggity> anyone install monodevelop on hoary
[01:04] <bascule> oops
[01:04] <eklode> Lee_ i use X.org
[01:04] <eklode> not Xfree
[01:04] <ssam> seach for gftp in synaptic package manager
[01:05] <ssam> you get a description of each
[01:05] <amhso> paulproteus: Is there a simpler way besides editing the config?
[01:05] <eklode> ive configures it and set the resolutions it supports
[01:05] <eklode> but doesn't show
[01:05] <skel_home> eklode: did you restart X?
[01:05] <eklode> yes
[01:06] <skel_home> hmm
[01:06] <paulproteus> amhso: Oh, probably.  Sorry, I forgot this is Ubuntu, not Debian.
[01:06] <paulproteus> One sec.
[01:06] <crack> question...
[01:06] <crack> how come i cant get mplayer to work with ubuntu
[01:07] <crack> i have done the sudo command
[01:07] <crack> but it doesnt find it
[01:07] <crack> so i increased my repository list...
[01:07] <crack> still no
[01:07] <lOSTmONK> did u put the volatile repo on there?
[01:07] <crack> volatile?
[01:07] <crack> hmm
[01:07] <crack> one i have to add from an outside list?
[01:07] <eklode> so, is there any doc describing with more detail the Xorg conf file?
[01:07] <skel_home> eklode: other than man xorg.conf?
[01:08] <lOSTmONK> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[01:08] <scoon> eklode, have you checked your xsession-log ?
[01:08] <lOSTmONK> should have mplayer
[01:08] <eklode> skel_home, xorg.conf
[01:08] <hybrid> mplayer v xmms which is better?
[01:08] <skel_home> eklode: right, did you check the man page?
[01:08] <scoon> eklode, is it possible that maybe you set YOUR desired resolution not first in the list for xorg
[01:08] <lOSTmONK> mplayer is neede in fireox for certain online video viewing
[01:09] <hybrid> ok
[01:09] <scoon> eklode, have your tried ctrl-alt-(keypad)+/- to change through your resolutions ?
[01:09] <crack> dont know if i got it
[01:09] <crack> its not in my repo list
[01:09] <paulproteus> amhso: It should be fairly easy.
[01:09] <lOSTmONK> crack, did u add that?
[01:09] <paulproteus> System -> Configuration -> Network , I think.
[01:09] <crack> yea
[01:09] <crack> i did
[01:09] <crack> but i dont see it in my lsit
[01:09] <lOSTmONK> apt-get update?
[01:09] <crack> list
[01:10] <crack> oh
[01:10] <crack> hang on
[01:10] <eklode> scoon, keypad?
[01:10] <lOSTmONK> :)
[01:10] <scoon> eklode, keypad + or minus is different from just plain old + or -
[01:10] <Lee__> eklode: back up /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and run dpkg-reconfigure xfree-something. You'll have to find the exact name of your xfree package.
[01:10] <Lee__> make that dpkg --reconfigure
[01:10] <scoon> eklode, the keypad + or - work w/ xorg
[01:11] <crack> lOSTmONK, dont see it in the update list
[01:11] <hybrid> is mplayer in the repos?
[01:11] <eklode> Lee_ but its not xfree
[01:11] <eklode> its x.org
[01:11] <amhso> paulproteus i am on flux
[01:11] <lOSTmONK> u runnin synaptic?
[01:11] <crack> yep
[01:11] <hybrid> i can
[01:11] <crack> i typed what you said in terminal too
[01:11] <hybrid> prefferablly apt
[01:11] <crack> and it refreshed and updated it
[01:11] <crack> but
[01:11] <crack> still dont see it
[01:12] <lOSTmONK> crack, go to synaptic
[01:12] <Lee__> than change xfree to xorg
[01:12] <lOSTmONK> search
[01:12] <lOSTmONK> name and description
[01:12] <lOSTmONK> mplayer
[01:12] <krism> Lee__ : is there a quick way to do that?
[01:12] <Lee__> uhhh, by typing? maybe I don't understand your question.
[01:13] <krism> Lee__ : i mean as opposed to compiling xorg from sources
[01:13] <crack> k hang on
[01:13] <Lee__> I believe ubuntu uses xorg by default? no?
[01:13] <crack> nope
[01:13] <AndyR> for hoary yes
[01:13] <skel_home> AndyR: I'm AndyR too!
[01:14] <Lee__> ah. well than, guess you'll have to be compiling...
[01:14] <krism> hoary does, but ubuntu doesn't, does it?
[01:14] <skel_home> AndyR: are you me from the future?
[01:14] <hybrid> lol
[01:14] <AndyR> skel_home, no past
[01:14] <hybrid> he is the terminator
[01:14] <paulproteus> amhso: Then you should run 'sudo network-admin' from a console.
[01:14] <paulproteus> From an X terminal, rather.
[01:14] <skel_home> AndyR: oh shit, then I got some bad news for you
[01:14] <skel_home> AndyR: don't buy that house in Anthem
[01:14] <hybrid> lol
[01:14] <AndyR> skel_home, dont tell me
[01:14] <skel_home> doh
[01:14] <hybrid> lol
[01:14] <skel_home> MY ARM!
[01:14] <skel_home> it's disappearsdlfkal;
[01:14] <eyequeue> krism:  ubuntu-present (warty) uses xfree86, ubuntu-future (hoary) uses x.org, by default
[01:15] <BockBilbo> by the way
[01:15] <BockBilbo> :s
[01:15] <AndyR> the future is here in hoary :)
[01:15] <eyequeue> and ubuntu in general does default to an x-based gui
[01:15] <BockBilbo> now that you are talking abou x.org
[01:15] <BockBilbo> :s
[01:15] <krism> eyequeue : ah, tx. i upgraded to warty last week, but it .. broke stuff for me, so i restored from my g4u image
[01:15] <BockBilbo> i configured my ati card in hoary
[01:15] <BockBilbo> and 2 weeks ago
[01:15] <BockBilbo> when doing an upgrade
[01:15] <ziggity> who's the monodevelop guru here!
[01:15] <BockBilbo> it messed up all the config
[01:16] <BockBilbo> and now the 3d acceleration doesnt work
[01:16] <BockBilbo> .:S
[01:16] <BockBilbo> sucks
[01:16] <skel_home> ziggity: Hi my name is miguel, how can I help you?
[01:16] <krism> (probably has to do w/ my 'widescreen' 1280x768 mode w/ intel 855gm .. video bios needs patched before you run X, etc.
[01:16] <amhso> paulproteus i already used that, but could not figure out how to make the local ip static.
[01:16] <ziggity> skel_home, Hi. How do I install monodevelop on ubuntu
[01:17] <ziggity> skel_home, I used the package manger an installed it but it installs version 0.5 I want the latest
[01:17] <guelah> haha..i need some serious help. i installed ubuntu on one computer, moved the hard drive i installed it to to another machine. now i cannot get the graphical interface i had on the first computer.. and have no idea what i am doing. i have a diamond viper v770 video card (nvidia riva TNT2 chipset) and i really need to get this working
[01:17] <ziggity> cos there seems to be a bug with the new file icon
[01:17] <skel_home> ziggity: I don't have ubuntu installed yet =/ but in debian, apt-get install monodevelop
[01:17] <randabis-laptop> which ubuntu are you running ziggity?
[01:17] <ziggity> hoary
[01:18] <ziggity> or sometinh
[01:18] <randabis-laptop> then that is the latest version included
[01:18] <randabis-laptop> you'll have to get a newer one elsewhere
[01:18] <skel_home> ziggity: you could compile from source.. or if you're really daring.. include a sid source in your apt repos list
[01:18] <lOSTmONK> whats gonna happen to all the stuff that i apt-get
[01:18] <lOSTmONK> is it gonna show up in my app menu or no?
[01:18] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  it will be installed
[01:18] <ziggity> randabi - laptop : Itried but now it needs gtk-sharp 2.0 and I can't find that
[01:19] <ziggity> skel_home, show me how..
[01:19] <randabis-laptop> hoary has newer stuff than sid iirc...you'd probably need to find a third party deb
[01:19] <randabis-laptop> libgtk-sharp maybe?
[01:19] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  if the postinst puts it in the menu, then yes.  if not, you can "add a launcher" manually
[01:19] <randabis-laptop> search for it
[01:19] <lOSTmONK> i know itll be installed
[01:20] <lOSTmONK> but i dont wanna have to add manually 35 deb jr games
[01:20] <ziggity> randabis, tried that not it
[01:20] <randabis-laptop> hah
[01:20] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  applications > run > "applications:///" in the run box, then go through to the tree you want it in
[01:20] <ziggity> is that Hah for me
[01:20] <id_ID> everybody, i cant't mount fat32 on my computer... :(
[01:20] <randabis-laptop> then perhaps you'll need to get gtk-sharp elsewhere as well
[01:20] <randabis-laptop> no, it was not
[01:20] <eyequeue> id_ID:  via fstab? via mount(8)?
[01:21] <id_ID> i use mount -t vfat /dev/hdaX /mnt/xxxxx
[01:21] <ziggity> where.. ? I don't know where to look?
[01:21] <lOSTmONK> wow
[01:21] <randabis-laptop> I don't know...I've never needed that library
[01:21] <lOSTmONK> u know its bad when u have 17 minutes left on synaptic
[01:21] <ajmitch> ziggity: monodevelop appears to be 0.5.1 in sid as well
[01:21] <Anubis> why does the gtk-gnutella package for Ubuntu run in GTK instead of GTK2?
[01:21] <id_ID> eyequeu, it's wrong..??
[01:21] <guelah> haha..i need some serious help. i installed ubuntu on one computer, moved the hard drive i installed it to to another machine. now i cannot get the graphical interface i had on the first computer.. and have no idea what i am doing. i have a diamond viper v770 video card (nvidia riva TNT2 chipset) and i really need to get this working
[01:22] <randabis-laptop> because the maintainer compiled it for gtk Anubis
[01:22] <ziggity> then whats with the weird bug on the file new
[01:22] <ajmitch> ziggity: what is the bug?
[01:23] <pepsi> guelah, why cant you install it on the computer you intend it to be on?
[01:23] <randabis-laptop> guelah, use the command line and edit your X configuration file
[01:23] <Anubis> randabis-laptop, yeah but why, and how can I change that, a flag or switch to the package?
[01:23] <guelah> because the floppy drive is faulty, and i cannot get it to boot a CD
[01:23] <ziggity> when i click the new file icon on the menu   get an error about not finding some template file
[01:23] <guelah> otherwise i would just reinstall it
[01:23] <eyequeue> id_ID:  i've never used that fs myself, but let's troubleshoot.  what error do you get?
[01:23] <ziggity> NemerleGtkSharpWindow.xft.xml
[01:23] <randabis-laptop> Anubis, I don't know...you might not be able to
[01:23] <ziggity> but if i use file->new it workds
[01:24] <Anubis> I mena why use GTK apps in Gnome 2.9?
[01:24] <ajmitch> I think I heard of that bug before
[01:24] <guelah> i set the CD drive as the first booted device in bios.. still doesnt work
[01:24] <Anubis> Unless they are GTK2
[01:24] <id_ID> root@komputasi24:/mnt # mount -t vfat /dev/hda4 /mnt/windows/
[01:24] <id_ID> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda4,
[01:24] <id_ID>        or too many mounted file systems
[01:24] <id_ID>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[01:24] <id_ID>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[01:24] <id_ID> root@komputasi24:/mnt #
[01:24] <randabis-laptop> STOP FLOODING
[01:24] <id_ID> ups, iam sorry... :(
[01:24] <ziggity> ajmitch, Do you know how to solve it?
[01:25] <randabis-laptop> Anubis, don't know...xmms is gtk, etc
[01:25] <eyequeue> id_ID:  does the phrase at the end apply?
[01:25] <randabis-laptop> yeah maybe you aren't mounting the right partition
[01:25] <ajmitch> ziggity: no, not as yet, I'll take a look
[01:25] <ziggity> thanx
[01:26] <Anubis> whats the search string for apt?
[01:26] <randabis-laptop> apt-cache search
[01:26] <Anubis> you know like how I can search using synaptic?
[01:26] <randabis-laptop> I just told you
[01:27] <Anubis> Why is'nt Synaptic rembering its settings?
[01:27] <randabis-laptop> probably bugs
[01:27] <Anubis> My Hoary system is very stable and very fast
[01:27] <Anubis> only some apps are broken
[01:27] <BockBilbo> anyone here knows if php5 is available in apt?
[01:27] <Anubis> but not show stoppers
[01:27] <randabis-laptop> your point?
[01:27] <ja5on> wooo.. ubuntu is fast. New to Gnome. but how do I change this ugly wallpaper ??
[01:27] <ajmitch> BockBilbo: no, it's not been packaged yet afaik
[01:27] <Anubis> Rhythmbox is broken
[01:27] <randabis-laptop> BockBilbo, not that I know of
[01:28] <Anubis> mplayer obviously is broken
[01:28] <ziggity> Anubis, My hoary seems to have lost the abiility to drag by title bar and the copy / highlight seems flaky
[01:28] <Scaramouche> On Warty, after download/install, all but the last search is lost in Synaptic.  annoying
[01:28] <Anubis> what else
[01:28] <randabis-laptop> rhythmbox isn't broken for me...I don't like it much though
[01:28] <BockBilbo> and do you know if t will be added soon?
[01:28] <vjaz> ja5on, right click on the desktop and select "change wallpaper" or something like that?
[01:28] <ajmitch> BockBilbo: it may be, depending on the packager's free time :)
[01:28] <randabis-laptop> BockBilbo, it won't make it...featurefreeze already happened last week
[01:29] <vjaz> ja5on, (I'm using Finnish locales so I'm not sure what the English version says)
[01:29] <Anubis> my rythmbox crashes anytime I try to play a file
[01:29] <ja5on> vjaz:
[01:29] <randabis-laptop> Anubis, file a bug
[01:29] <eyequeue> vjaz:  ja5on: "change desktop background"
[01:29] <ja5on> vjaz:  yuk.. there all brown.. looks like i'll look for some beter ones
[01:29] <Anubis> Gnome 2.9 is just beautiful
[01:29] <Scaramouche> ja5on, for (fairly) quick wallpaper changes, gthumb works well.  Not installed by default with warty
[01:29] <Anubis> excpet
[01:30] <ziggity> any one anjuta
[01:30] <Anubis> The apps that get grouped on the taskbar, when you click one, it does not gain focus
[01:30] <Anubis> it does not pop up
[01:30] <BockBilbo> randabis-laptop, whats "featurefreeze"???
[01:30] <randabis-laptop> BockBilbo, check the wiki
[01:30] <AndyFitz> anyone here into hal?    I can see my ipod in hal    but it just won't auto mount
[01:30] <randabis-laptop> there is a hoary release schedule
[01:31] <vjaz> Anyone know a good alternative to Totem?
[01:31] <randabis-laptop> it explains it better than I can
[01:31] <BockBilbo> i guess its when no new features are added to hoary in order to get it ready to be stable for april
[01:31] <randabis-laptop> vjaz, xine, mplayer
[01:31] <BockBilbo> right randabis-laptop ?
[01:31] <randabis-laptop> vlc
[01:31] <vjaz> totem-gstreamer crashes my whole system (!) and totem-xine crashes on startup.
[01:31] <vjaz> randabis, Those are not very nice for a GNOME desktop. :-(
[01:31] <AndyFitz> vjaz gxine is okay but I prefer totem-xine
[01:31] <vjaz> I'm not sure why totem-xine crashes on startup now.
[01:31] <randabis-laptop> BockBilbo, for the most part, there are some exceptions though
[01:31] <vjaz> It didn't do that before.
[01:31] <randabis-laptop> usplash being one of them
[01:31] <AndyFitz> mplayer is nice too  but I prefer totem-xine  lol
[01:32] <BockBilbo> i see
[01:32] <Scaramouche> Some of the KDE multimedia apps work great in gnome!
[01:32] <giard> has anyone here tried to install ubuntu on a macmini?
[01:32] <ziggity> any one anjuta
[01:32] <ziggity> any one use anjuta
[01:32] <BockBilbo> randabis-laptop, and is the next release available for dist-upgrading?
[01:33] <BockBilbo> or we still have to wait until april?
[01:33] <ik-G4> sudo apt-get update
[01:33] <Dreamer3> giard: yeah, someone in the forums but they weren't having the best of luck
[01:33] <AndyFitz> ziggity,  no but anjuta 2 looks awesome
[01:33] <randabis-laptop> BockBilbo, hoary has been available for testing for several months
[01:33] <ziggity> AndyFitz, is it available yet?
[01:33] <Scaramouche> I hate it too, but believe me!  KDE without KDE! best of both worlds
[01:33] <AndyFitz> ziggity,  not sure if its available for download but its still unstable
[01:33] <ik-G4> it says gftp has dependenses
[01:34] <BockBilbo> randabis-laptop, and whats the next release after hoary?
[01:34] <Dreamer3> Scaramouche: i think i went back from KDE to gnome with 2.6 came out... i left 2.4 because KDE felt faster
[01:34] <ziggity> AndyFitz, do you know when its to be released?
[01:35] <randabis-laptop> BockBilbo, Hoary+1...also known as Bendy, formerly known as Grumpy (not officially yet though)
[01:35] <ziggity> AndyFitz, What do you use for ide>?
[01:35] <id_ID> everybody, iam sorry i have an examination...
[01:35] <id_ID> i will come back soon
[01:35] <eyequeue> bendy belchhog?
[01:35] <randabis-laptop> lol
[01:35] <Scaramouche> I'm watching a movie on kaboodle right now. (in gnome)  works great, looks cool.  Most of the gnome apps haven't been working!
[01:36] <BockBilbo> randabis-laptop, and is it possible to upgrade to it?
[01:36] <randabis-laptop> BockBilbo, no, considering development on it has not even started
[01:36] <BockBilbo> ok
[01:36] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  you have the choice of the stable release, or the development release, only those with a time machine can use anything later
[01:37] <Scaramouche> Dreamer3, kde just felt faster because the "wait" cursors bounce so fast ;-)
[01:37] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, i knew that, but i though that as hoary is now in testing mode, there might have been a development release already
[01:37] <mz2> how do i make the new gnome 2.9 soundjuicer make encode mp3s
[01:37] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  you come from a debian background i'm guessing :)
[01:37] <SiRrUs> BockBilbo testing is development
[01:38] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, yep
[01:38] <randabis-laptop> Ubuntu only has 2 branches, not 3 like debian
[01:39] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  sarge = sid in ubuntu, basically
[01:39] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, yes
[01:39] <skel_home> sweet. downloaded a 2 gig iso in an hour
[01:39] <BockBilbo> :)
[01:39] <BockBilbo> i already knew all of that
[01:39] <skel_home> well a little over an hour
[01:39] <eyequeue> with a 6-month interval by definition, there's no need for an intermediate
[01:39] <randabis-laptop> sort of....sarge is going to be a stable release soon....sid will never be stable
[01:40] <eyequeue> has debian decided on a name for sarge+1 yet btw?
[01:40] <jdub> etch
[01:40] <BockBilbo> but in this period of "featurefreeze" there is no oportunity to have the latest software
[01:40] <BockBilbo> :S
[01:41] <jdub> randabis-laptop: we only have 2 branches because we're on our second release...
[01:41] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  man dpkg-buildpackage ;-)
[01:42] <eyequeue> BockBilbo: but you're right, that's the only way i know of, to build a deb yourself if you feel an overwhelming need
[01:42] <jdub> BockBilbo: you can upgrade directly to hoary by CD or online
[01:42] <eyequeue> jdub:  i think he wants post-hoary versions of apps
[01:42] <BockBilbo> jdub, ;-) im using hoary since 3 months already
[01:43] <jdub> well, you're better off testing hoary so it rocks on release
[01:43] <BockBilbo> lol
[01:44] <djtansey> jdub: i'm getting a kernel panic on 2.6.11-686 in hoary -- "scheduling while atomic" "gam_server" then it locks
[01:44] <Scaramouche> real newbie question here:  can I make my on (re)install cd, based on everything I have in my upgraded warty installation?
[01:44] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  i'm curious, what feature did you need that wasn't in a hoary version?
[01:44] <ziggity> whats the difference between libGlade and gnome in Anjuta
[01:44] <Scaramouche> oops, i mean "my own"
[01:44] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, php5
[01:44] <BockBilbo> :s
[01:44] <jdub> djtansey: use the latest 2.6.10, might fix the inotify crasher
[01:44] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  man, i know i saw that somewhere too, perhaps sid?
[01:44] <djtansey> jdub: i have gone back to 2.6.10 -- is that the problem, inotify?
[01:45] <BockBilbo> i gues so..
[01:45] <jdub> djtansey: yes, a new 2.6.10 was uploaded recently, may not have finished building yet
[01:45] <BockBilbo> see.. my problem is that the libpcre in ubuntu has a bug
[01:45] <BockBilbo> :
[01:45] <BockBilbo> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6486
[01:46] <Anubis> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-3-k7 #1 Thu Feb 10 04:13:39 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:46] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  i think it was in a line saying "Package php5 is not available, but is referred to by another package" too :)
[01:47] <BockBilbo> yes
[01:47] <eyequeue> even in sid
[01:47] <BockBilbo> i have tha lineee
[01:47] <BockBilbo> i mean
[01:47] <BockBilbo> ive read it somewwhereee
[01:48] <eyequeue> if you do package it yourself, put it up online somewhere, since others may want it too
[01:49] <BockBilbo> eyequeue, ok.. though i first have to learn doing packages
[01:49] <BockBilbo> xD
[01:49] <BockBilbo> i only know java...
[01:50] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  pool/universe/m/maint-guide/maint-guide_1.2.1_all.deb
[01:50] <brrrt> hello all :)
[01:51] <eyequeue> BockBilbo:  that was a rather painless way to learn, examples and hand-holding
[01:51] <BockBilbo> ok...
[01:53] <pepsi> how would i file a bug report for gksudo?
[01:53] <brrrt> i am running ubuntu 64, but i must switch back to woody, so i setup a chrooted woody, now i will build a kernel for the woody system, i downloaded the latest 2.4 kernel from kernel.org and thought the best will be to build the new kernel in the 32bit woody
[01:53] <randabis> pepsi, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[01:54] <steveO_laptop> hello all
[01:54] <brrrt> can anyone tell me if i am on the right way?
[01:55] <brrrt> will it work?
[01:55] <Arrogance> has anyone tried to use a SATA burner with Ubuntu yet?
[01:56] <steveO_laptop> is ubuntu setup to run as servers ? looking for a replacement for redhat 9 want debian based
[01:56] <randabis> brrrt, I don't see why not
[01:56] <randabis> steveO_laptop, yes...there is a server option in the installer
[01:56] <eyequeue> steveO_laptop:  upon booting the install cd, press F2 and F3 to see the list of options, one or two are server-oriented
[01:56] <steveO_laptop> sweet!!!
[01:56] <randabis> when the installer starts type server
[01:57] <randabis> but yeah
[01:57] <randabis> do read the list of options
[01:58] <AndyFitz> ziggity,  sorry for the late reply,   I mostly do web dev  so I use quanta
[01:58] <steveO_laptop> ok will try it on by test box going after the download now
[01:58] <AndyFitz> its one of the 3 qt apps I use ( k3b, quanta and scribus )
[01:58] <steveO_laptop> I have 5 servers needing updating
[01:58] <eyequeue> steveO_laptop:  be aware that the livecd is not of use in doing an install
[01:59] <brrrt> randabis: i just would like to get sure because its a remote system :)
[01:59] <steveO_laptop> ok what do I want?
[01:59] <eyequeue> steveO_laptop:  the one marked "install" not the one marked "live cd" :)
[01:59] <steveO_laptop> ok
[01:59] <Dreamer3> steveO_laptop: you might want to stick with debian woody for increased stability...
[02:00] <eyequeue> steveO_laptop:  choose the one for the platform you want, but that's the only real other gotcha you could run into at the download phase
[02:00] <Dreamer3> steveO_laptop: though i know those who use sarge (and ubuntu) for servers now or days (since woody is aging)
[02:00] <randabis> yeah some servers are starting to use ubuntu a lot more now
[02:00] <steveO_laptop> 4.10?
[02:01] <randabis> tthat's warty yes...probably what you should stick with on a server
[02:01] <eyequeue> 4.10 is "stable" and 5.04 is what will release in april
[02:02] <steveO_laptop> anyone haveing problems with 5.04?
[02:02] <eyequeue> steveO_laptop:  $release_year.$release_month, btw
[02:02] <Dreamer3> steveO_laptop: yes, no way you'd want to run 5.x on a server
[02:02] <steveO_laptop> thanks
[02:02] <brrrt> 5.04 works perfectly
[02:02] <eyequeue> steveO_laptop:  last i heard complaints about it was, um, within the hour :)
[02:03] <Dreamer3> brrrt: when the planets are aligned properly, maybe
[02:03] <steveO_laptop> lol
[02:03] <eyequeue> for certain values of "perfect"
[02:03] <eyequeue> heh
[02:03] <steveO_laptop> will play it safe 4.10
[02:04] <rapha|zzZ> Hi all
[02:04] <randabis> emerge 315 of 358 :)
[02:04] <randabis> getting so close
[02:05] <brrrt> Dreamer3: i'm using debian unstable oon my workstation for 2years now and never had serios problems
[02:05] <rapha|zzZ> I just compiled my own kernel, and now sound doesn't work anymore -- even with the old original Ubuntu kernel not. The soundcard's fine though (tested with live CD) and volume's all turned up. What's going wrong?
[02:05] <BockBilbo> byeeee!!!!
[02:05] <randabis> rapha|zzZ, check initrd
[02:06] <rapha|zzZ> randabis: My new kernel doesn't use one, the old kernel still got its initrd unaltered.
[02:06] <bob2> how could that be an initrd issue?
[02:06] <bob2> make sure it's unmuted.
[02:06] <bob2> then make sure the module is loaded (look at the output of 'dmesg')
[02:06] <rapha|zzZ> bob2: It is unmuted, according to dmesg and lsmod the driver has loaded.
[02:07] <bob2> no errors from alsaplayer?
[02:07] <rapha|zzZ> Haven't tried alsaplayer yet
[02:07] <randabis> try it, and alsamixer as well
[02:07] <usual> where in gnome can I change what wm is being used
[02:08] <randabis> usual, probably the configuration editor tool
[02:08] <rapha|zzZ> usual: You don't. You just killall metacity && new_wm and GNOME will remember
[02:08] <usual> k
[02:08] <steveO_laptop> downloading 4.10 now 35min to go :)
[02:08] <usual> worked
[02:08] <rapha|zzZ> alsaplayer says it failed to load output plugin alsa
[02:09] <DeepSpaceAnt> hey guys, is there any good html editor (actually dynamic drawing/editing like dreamweaver) yet?
[02:09] <randabis> rapha|zzZ, you're sure you chose the right alsa driver
[02:09] <eyequeue> i like vim, heh
[02:09] <randabis> ?
[02:10] <rapha|zzZ> randabis: Where do you choose ALSA drivers?
[02:10] <vjaz> Anyone know how to make Totem play nicely with a removable CD-ROM/DVD drive?
[02:10] <randabis> in the make menuconfig
[02:10] <rapha|zzZ> randabis: I also didn't CHANGE any selection. And still the old kernel stopped working
[02:10] <vjaz> I have an USB CD/DVD drive and if I don't have it connected, Totem crashes. :-P
[02:10] <usual> rapha|zzZ, I like it
[02:10] <rapha|zzZ> randabis: Well in menuconfig I'm sure I chose the right one. I made it a point to check how the module is called.
[02:10] <usual> rapha|zzZ, openbox
[02:10] <rapha|zzZ> usual: I see :) ... well, I'll stick with metacity
[02:11] <ubuntu2u> hey does anyone know where i can download wine and how to use it?
[02:11] <rapha|zzZ> usual: So did you do "killall metacity && openbox" then?
[02:11] <usual> rapha|zzZ, so far it's much nicer, no lag on shade, very snappy
[02:11] <usual> rapha|zzZ, yeah havn't logged out yet
[02:11] <randabis> ubuntu2u, sudo apt-get install wine winesetuptk
[02:11] <rapha|zzZ> usual: I didn't mean to tell you not to use it, just how TO use it
[02:11] <ubuntu2u> i already tried on google but the sites were kinda crappy
[02:11] <rapha|zzZ> usual: Don't log out!
[02:11] <usual> radius, why
[02:11] <randabis> keep in mind that the ubuntu build of wine is terribly outdated though
[02:11] <usual> oops
[02:12] <usual> rapha|zzZ, why
[02:12] <ubuntu2u> randabis, what make it easy for me plz i have only had linux for 3 days
[02:12] <randabis> rapha|zzZ, strange problem
[02:12] <usual> rapha|zzZ, TRY openbox...it's so snappy
[02:12] <rapha|zzZ> usual: You just open a terminal and type "killall metacity && openbox"
[02:12] <rapha|zzZ> usual: I've tried it, thanks.
[02:12] <rapha|zzZ> randabis: Indeed.
[02:12] <randabis> ubuntu2u, what is hard about typing sudo apt-get install wine winesetuptk?
[02:12] <ubuntu2u> randabis where do i type that... right here?
[02:12] <randabis> ...
[02:12] <randabis> a terminal
[02:12] <ubuntu2u> or in terminal....?
[02:13] <rapha|zzZ> yes
[02:13] <ubuntu2u> man i don't know that much. no need to be an asshole
[02:13] <rapha|zzZ> ubuntu2u: Use a root terminal though!
[02:13] <eyequeue> ubuntu2u:  applications > systemtools > terminal
[02:13] <ubuntu2u> fuck sakes i ask a simple question and get bitched at
[02:13] <ubuntu2u> thanks everyone else
[02:13] <randabis> rapha|zzZ, using sudo means he doesn't need a root terminal
[02:13] <rapha|zzZ> ubuntu2u: don't take it personally
[02:13] <eyequeue> ubuntu2u:  do get used to using that terminal btw
[02:13] <randabis> ubuntu2u, I was not "bitching at you"
[02:13] <ubuntu2u> ok thanks guys
[02:13] <rapha|zzZ> ubuntu2u: people need to find out how much you know first
[02:14] <rapha|zzZ> randabis: Oh sorry, didn't see you said sudo
[02:14] <randabis> np
[02:14] <ubuntu2u> randabis well you didn't need to be an asshole which you were being.
[02:14] <rapha|zzZ> this fucking alsa crap
[02:14] <randabis> That is your interpretation...I humbly disagree
[02:14] <eyequeue> ubuntu2u:  there's a certain level of fluency assumed for new faces in here, some are insulted that we are talking down to them, others are confused by it not being simple enough
[02:14] <delltony> i don't know if this is on the forms or in a wiki, i couldn't seen to find anything specific to this. why is it i can connect to the internet just fine if i use dhcp on the wlan0 but if i manually set the ip with the correct gateway i no longer have internet?  the essid is correct i have even done route add default gw 192.168.1.1 wlan0  but it doesn't seem to help any ideas?
[02:14] <eyequeue> ubuntu2u:  we do our best, bear with us
[02:15] <randabis> It was not my intention to be an asshole. I just did not understand the difficulty involved in typing a few characters
[02:15] <hybrid> lol
[02:15] <ficusplanet> jdub: You here?  Just wanted to let you know that I have gtk-sharp-1.9.2 installed (from source) and the packages from universe are still working fine for me.
[02:16] <BuffaloSoldier> ubuntu2u:I didn't see where randabis was bitching
[02:16] <randabis> Well, no point in arguing over it. If I offended you then I appologize, but it was clearly not my intention
[02:16] <eyequeue> perception is difficult on irc, always grant that when you can
[02:16] <steveO_laptop> now now lets all work together here :)
[02:17] <ubuntu2u> well just the ... made me think that he was trying to make me look like an asshole
[02:17] <ubuntu2u> i asked a simple question
[02:17] <ubuntu2u> maybe not everyone is as experienced in ubuntu as you
[02:17] <eyequeue> ubuntu2u:  btw, he's a nice guy, you'll see that over time :)  but shh, don't let him hear that :)
[02:17] <rapha|zzZ> Stop fighting now kids, will ya?
[02:17] <ubuntu2u> lol
[02:18] <BuffaloSoldier> ubuntu2u: aaa :) i think that was just a simple misunderstanding
[02:18] <hybrid> yea randabis is kool
[02:18] <hybrid>  iight now shake hands
[02:18] <ubuntu2u> yup sorry everyone :(
[02:18] <mactinhocas> anybody here running ppc ubuntu ?
[02:18] <ubuntu2u> i am kinda frustrated and just flipped out
[02:18] <BuffaloSoldier> a new dances move... ubuntu shake :) maybe someone can invent that
[02:18] <mactinhocas> besides me
[02:18] <mactinhocas> hehe
[02:19] <hybrid> lol
[02:19] <randabis> anyway, ubuntu2u, once you put in the command I told you to, you'll need to run winesetuptk and follow the directions
[02:19] <randabis> you can generally leave everything default
[02:19] <randabis> then when you want to run a windows applications, you type: wine nameofapp.exe
[02:20] <marcin_ant> well guys you know what is the most frustrating thing about ubuntu as rootless distro?
[02:20] <ubuntu2u> randabis, when i typed that in it said on the next line "password" and won't let me type anything in.
[02:20] <iapx8088> what
[02:20] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  typoing "sudo" :)
[02:20] <marcin_ant> that there is no completion when you type command after sudo
[02:20] <randabis> ubuntu2u, it wants your user password...type it in
[02:20] <hybrid> ubuntu it does it juss dont show
[02:20] <iapx8088> marcin_ant, sudo -s
[02:20] <randabis> just because you don't physically see the characters doesn't mean that are not there
[02:20] <ficusplanet> So, does anyone know how this powermanagement-interface that recently went into hoary works?  When I try running pmi, I get some usage help, but I don't really know what "/usr/sbin/pmi query|action <event>" means.  Any ideas?
[02:20] <eyequeue> ubuntu2u:  that is where you put your user password, and no, you won't see it echo, just type it and hit enter
[02:20] <LinuxJones> marcin_ant, sudo -s get's you a root terminal
[02:21] <BuffaloSoldier> ubuntu2u: the characters that you type are hidden, for security
[02:21] <jdub> marcin_ant: use hoary
[02:21] <jdub> marcin_ant: and turn on bash competion
[02:21] <iapx8088> marcin_ant, you are right
[02:21] <pugio> hey
[02:21] <jdub> completion
[02:21] <pugio> does ubuntu have a VNC server or something built in?
[02:21] <randabis> yes
[02:21] <randabis> vino-server
[02:21] <iapx8088> marcin_ant, my sudo command works
[02:21] <marcin_ant> jdub: first thing is that I have a root account enabled
[02:21] <iapx8088> marcin_ant, is autocompleted
[02:21] <jdub> pugio: yes, Remote Desktop in your preferences menu
[02:21] <ficusplanet> pugio: Yes, go to Remote Desktop under preferences.
[02:21] <tweek_> is kde included in ubuntu?
[02:21] <mactinhocas> pugio: why to use vnc instead of using Xnest and remote display ?
[02:21] <randabis> vino-server is a vnc server
[02:21] <Zugot> what package contains the kernel source?
[02:21] <marcin_ant> jdub: second - thank you for this hint with code completion
[02:21] <hybrid> tweek no
[02:21] <randabis> and it is installed by default
[02:21] <BuffaloSoldier> tweek_: no. but you can install it using apt-get
[02:22] <ficusplanet> jdub: Did you get my message about gtk# 1.9?
[02:22] <ubuntu2u> randabis, i guess you did not clearly read what i typed. it didn't type anything.
[02:22] <hybrid> but apt-get install kde will work
[02:22] <ubuntu2u> ohh
[02:22] <randabis> Zugot, linux-source
[02:22] <tweek_> apt-get install kde?
[02:22] <pugio> mactinhocas ummm well, I was just looking for any sort of remote desktop thing actually
[02:22] <ubuntu2u> buffalosoldier, ok i will try thanks
[02:22] <hybrid> yea
[02:22] <tweek_> :)
[02:22] <iapx8088> marcin_ant, in hoary my sudo command autocompletion works out of the box.
[02:22] <hybrid> make sure u sudo
[02:22] <marcin_ant> jdub: anyway I think that this should be enabled by default
[02:22] <randabis> ubuntu2u, yes, I did read what you typed, and explained the problem
[02:22] <tweek_> k
[02:22] <mactinhocas> pugio: i prefer exporting displays
[02:22] <eyequeue> ubuntu2u:  it "hears" you, but doens't echo to the screen, in case some bad person is "shoulder surfing" your password
[02:22] <marcin_ant> iapx8088: maybe it's because I upgraded from warty with apt-get?
[02:22] <pugio> mactinhocas yeah but that doesn't compress it at all so it's slow
[02:22] <tweek_> thanks again for answereing my stupid questons quickly :)
[02:22] <usual> rapha|zzZ, how do I get the Trash icon on the desktop instead of the applet
[02:22] <iapx8088> marcin_ant, i upgraded too
[02:22] <hybrid> np
[02:23] <rapha|zzZ> usual: open gconf-editor, look under apps/nautilus
[02:23] <jdub> pugio: i recommend using the existing remote desktop, which exports your current display over vnc
[02:23] <mactinhocas> pugio: i have a gigabit network.. heauheauhea
[02:23] <pugio> jdub thanks, and that means I can use any vnc client to access it yes?
[02:23] <usual> k
[02:23] <jdub> pugio: yep
[02:23] <iapx8088> marcin_ant, I simply think you should review .bash-something. Surely I did and now I'm thinking it works out of the box
[02:23] <Zugot> if i want to install specific version of a package...
[02:23] <eyequeue> ubuntu2u:  btw, just so you know, after  you successfully sudo once, it won't ask your password again for five minutes, by default
[02:23] <Zugot> Package linux-source is a virtual package provided by:
[02:23] <Zugot>   linux-source-2.6.8.1 2.6.8.1-16.10
[02:23] <pugio> jdub great thanks
[02:23] <iapx8088> what great traffic
[02:24] <randabis> Zugot, you need the source for the kernel you are currently running
[02:24] <rapha|zzZ> jdub: What has to be done with ALSA when you compiled a new (vanilla) kernel?
[02:24] <Zugot> randabis, yeah i figured that... just trying to apt-get to cooperate
[02:24] <iapx8088> the only thing really disconfortable with ubuntu is the networking-administration applet
[02:24] <eyequeue> Zugot:  sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1-16-10, for example
[02:24] <iapx8088> at least, it doesn't work very well for me
[02:24] <randabis> Zugot, see above
[02:24] <ubuntu2u> ok thanks guys
[02:24] <ubuntu2u> i understand now
[02:25] <randabis> Zugot, what are you using the source for anyway? just curious
[02:25] <ubuntu2u> so when i download when i just do this and it uninstall's it right?
[02:25] <marcin_ant> iapx8088: I have /etc/bash.bashrc
[02:25] <randabis> Are you going to compile a kernel?
[02:25] <iapx8088> rapha|zzZ, maybe raising the volume with the mixer, it's zero by default
[02:25] <lOSTmONK> is there a partition utility in ubuntu?
[02:25] <iapx8088> marcin_ant, look inside it,
[02:25] <randabis> lOSTmONK, parted, qtparted
[02:25] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  you may be looking for cfdisk ?
[02:25] <jdub> rapha|zzZ: no idea
[02:25] <Zugot> randabis, to hack on my driver that i'm writing
[02:25] <hybrid> hey i have a question. anyone heard of portable firefox where it boots off a usb could we empliment that idea to wine?
[02:26] <rapha|zzZ> iapx8088: No, that's not it. GStramer also say it couldn't build an ALSA pipe
[02:26] <marcin_ant> iapx8088: and there is "# enable bash completion in interactive shells"
[02:26] <marcin_ant> iapx8088: commented out
[02:26] <rapha|zzZ> jdub: Wierd thing is, the old kernel doesn't work anymore, too, now
[02:26] <eyequeue> hybrid:  i've heard of it, and how do you mean?  a usb-based wine?
[02:26] <lOSTmONK> maybe not
[02:26] <ficusplanet> jdub: When are you guys going to announce the winner of the Web design contest?  Are you waiting for hoary?
[02:26] <rapha|zzZ> iapx8088: Plus you can't change Master or PCM volume
[02:26] <iapx8088> marcin_ant, at your next login will work
[02:26] <hybrid> yea like take wine to diff desktop
[02:26] <randabis> Zugot, ah :) I thought maybe you were trying to do what a lot of people try to do...compile kernel modules...they make the mistake of getting the linux source instead of the linux headers and then problems arise
[02:26] <lOSTmONK> eyequeue, is that grtaphical or cli?
[02:27] <jdub> ficusplanet: soon dude, soon
[02:27] <eyequeue> hybrid:  i'm sure not familiar with the internals of wine, how much there needs to be writable and how much could be cd-based?
[02:27] <iapx8088> rapha|zzZ, I'm not an alsa expert, but I assume a)you are using an OSS mixer to control alsa, and that is bad, or you didn't load the right modules.
[02:27] <randabis> Zugot, also, when you install linux-source...it puts an unextracted tarball into /usr/src...you'll need to extract it yourself
[02:27] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  cfdisk is cli
[02:27] <randabis> and make your symbolic link if you wish
[02:27] <lOSTmONK> thanks
[02:27] <hybrid> eyequeue ok
[02:27] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  though a "gui" heh
[02:27] <hybrid> jw
[02:27] <Zugot> randabis... in all my years of using linux... i haven't spent any time in debian based distros
[02:27] <rapha|zzZ> iapx8088: Well, alsamixer isn't exactly an OSS mixer, is it?
[02:27] <randabis> lOSTmONK, qtparted is graphical
[02:27] <lOSTmONK> i more than anything wanted to know where id find it
[02:27] <iapx8088> rapha|zzZ, and, and I may say some bullshit, i recall there are some modules that are wrappers for using OSS mixers and so on.
[02:27] <lOSTmONK> :P
[02:27] <eyequeue> lOSTmONK:  (ncurses command-line app)
[02:28] <rapha|zzZ> iapx8088: And the modules are the same modules that have always been loaded
[02:28] <lOSTmONK> qparted is not on ubuntu
[02:28] <iapx8088> rapha|zzZ, It doesn't at first glance :)
[02:28] <ficusplanet> jdub: Alright, I'm just anxious to see the new look.  My LUG is going to do a presentation about Ubuntu once hoary is released, so I've been watching it's development like mad.
[02:28] <randabis> keep in mind though that you cannot safely resize partitions that are mounted iirc
[02:28] <rapha|zzZ> hmm
[02:28] <iapx8088> rapha|zzZ, don't know.
[02:28] <Zugot> actually... i'm running ubuntu in vmware on top of windows xp right now
[02:28] <randabis> lOSTmONK, yes it is
[02:28] <randabis> QT
[02:28] <randabis> not Q
[02:28] <iapx8088> rapha|zzZ, I don't care so much about Audio at least when it works.
[02:28] <randabis> it is in universe
[02:28] <hybrid> Zugot : wouldnt a live cd do better than VMware?
[02:29] <Zugot> hybrid, no... why?
[02:29] <iapx8088> and it worked OOTB until now.
[02:29] <Zugot> i need windows to be running as well
[02:29] <iapx8088> (ootb is a neologism I readily invented here)
[02:29] <iapx8088> sayd that
[02:29] <iapx8088> I go in bed.
[02:30] <hybrid> Zugot : b/c you would be installing anything and it can do most anything, unless u need ubuntu and windoze at the same time or u wanna d/l ubuntu packages
[02:30] <giard>  what is ootb?
[02:30] <eyequeue> out of the box?
[02:30] <randabis> yes
[02:30] <Zugot> hybrid, this ubuntu install is a test instance
[02:30] <Zugot> i'm just testing a driver
[02:30] <Zugot> and running plone in it
[02:30] <hybrid> o
[02:30] <Zugot> i need windows for other parts of my job
[02:30] <Zugot> its not a big deal
[02:31] <Zugot> i have lots of memory and disk, and everything gets along famously
[02:31] <hybrid> oo
[02:31] <delltony> i have a two part question: one how do i determine my dns servers on linux ? is the nameserver entries in the /etc/resolv.conf file ?
[02:31] <marcin_ant> iapx8088: works great
[02:31] <hybrid> <--- laptop usr so worx with limited space
[02:31] <marcin_ant> iapx8088: (code completion)
[02:31] <delltony> and if not how do you change the dns server
[02:31] <auk> hi. i'm trying to get enlightenment's engage up and runnig. i followed the instructions on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14231&goto=nextoldest but it told me that all of the dependencies were missing. is the repository old or what? i'm really new to linux so i need it simple
[02:31] <Zugot> i've been getting 750kB/s downloads all night from my house
[02:31] <Zugot> i love comcast
[02:32] <iapx8088> marcin_ant, if aint' broke, fix it, and break it :)
[02:32] <hybrid> lol
[02:32] <marcin_ant> iapx8088: I don't understand why it was commented out
[02:32] <LinuxJones> delltony, yeah that's them
[02:32] <lOSTmONK> ok
[02:33] <marcin_ant> iapx8088: just like support for bitmap fonts, etc.
[02:33] <lOSTmONK> i have a broken package, that wont fix
[02:33] <iapx8088> marcin_ant, it's a wide-user view of the thing
[02:33] <iapx8088> I believe
[02:33] <delltony> ok thanks
[02:33] <delltony> just not sure why when i set my ip manually i loose total internet
[02:33] <paolo> Hi guys! Any hint about how to have a Epson C63 working in ubuntu?
[02:33] <delltony> but if i run it off a dhclient pull it works fine
[02:33] <marcin_ant> iapx8088: what do you mean?
[02:33] <lOSTmONK> ?
[02:34] <marcin_ant> hmm another thing
[02:34] <LinuxJones> delltony, your network requires dhcp to assign you that information
[02:34] <marcin_ant> is there a problem with apache2 on ubuntu?
[02:34] <lOSTmONK> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:34] <lOSTmONK>   gnome-panel: Depends: libecal6 (>= 1.0.3) but it is not going to be installed
[02:34] <lOSTmONK>                Depends: libedataserver3 (>= 1.0.3) but it is not going to be installed
[02:34] <lOSTmONK>   qtparted: Depends: libparted1.6-12 (>= 1.6.0) but it is not going to be installed
[02:34] <lOSTmONK>             Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[02:34] <lOSTmONK> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[02:34] <iapx8088> marcin_ant, you point to give a very generic product, and leave the user the ability to customize it
[02:34] <iapx8088> lOSTmONK, may I advise you to use some nopaste service?
[02:34] <hybrid> LOSTmONK - wut arcetect?
[02:35] <hybrid> and just apt-get -f install
[02:35] <pugio> followup - so with Ubuntu's built in VNC server I can use something like TightVNC to connect to it? (over port 5904
[02:35] <delltony> well i just knwo for a fact i can take a m$ system and set it static and it works fine thats why i was wondering why i can't do the same with *nix
[02:35] <usual> why is metacity the default wm for gnome?
[02:35] <marcin_ant> i have two instances of apache2 - each uses 223 MB virt memory - wtf?
[02:35] <iapx8088> delltony, what do you mean for static, arp tables?
[02:36] <LinuxJones> delltony, is this a small home network ?
[02:36] <randabis> lOSTmONK, are you using any third party repositories?
[02:36] <delltony> yes small home network
[02:36] <ficusplanet> usual: It's simple and just works.
[02:36] <lOSTmONK> yeah
[02:36] <iapx8088> los
[02:36] <randabis> that's why it is doing that
[02:36] <usual> ficusplanet, man, there are ones much simpler that just work also, that happen to be lighter and snappier...I just wonder why they arn't used
[02:36] <randabis> lOSTmONK, you need to only use the ubuntu repos and it should work
[02:36] <ficusplanet> usual: Such as?
[02:37] <hybrid> randabis : i had that for a while and i couldnt use gnome but in failsafe but wen i apt-get -f install everything wz fine
[02:37] <auk> lOSTmONK: thanks, but i got the same message again, what do you mean by specify a solution?
[02:37] <marcin_ant> iapx8088: my dream is something like distro which you can customze during installation by setting your "level"
[02:37] <delltony> i would like to set it to 192.168.1.200 due to packet forwarding
[02:37] <Zugot> comcast is kicking much ass tonight... 850kB/s download...
[02:37] <usual> ficusplanet, openbox is what I am using at the moment, it's great
[02:37] <lOSTmONK> O_o
[02:37] <usual> Where would a packge request go?
[02:37] <lOSTmONK> so comment out the other repos for now?
[02:37] <iapx8088> marcin_ant, is surely the way for linux to become a desktop distro, it will come with time.
[02:37] <Zugot> Fetched 45.3MB in 55s (814kB/s)
[02:37] <randabis> I would...most everything you would need is already in universe anyway
[02:37] <iapx8088> marcin_ant, it would be not difficult right now, I believe
[02:37] <auk> ?
[02:38] <delltony> and to the best of my ability /etc/network/interfaces is correct
[02:38] <marcin_ant> iapx8088: sure
[02:38] <randabis> other than libdvdcss2, mplayer, and w32codecs...
[02:38] <LinuxJones> delltony, you using a router ?
[02:38] <ficusplanet> usual: Is it just faster?  Does it use gtk?
[02:38] <marcin_ant> so, any apache2 user here?
[02:38] <delltony> yes
[02:38] <randabis> I've used apache2 before
[02:38] <LinuxJones> delltony, what kind ?
[02:38] <Zugot> whats the best way to reconfigure X to use another resolution the "ubuntu way?"
[02:38] <delltony> linksys
[02:38] <delltony> 4port wireless
[02:39] <randabis> Zugot, maybe dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:39] <iapx8088> marcin_ant, I guess it would be easier if config files were incremental, I don't know how to explain.
[02:39] <ficusplanet> Zugot: System Configuration>>Screen Resolution
[02:39] <LinuxJones> delltony, are there settings to assign static ip addresses from within it ?
[02:39] <delltony> from within the router not that i know of
[02:39] <randabis> ficusplanet, that won't work unless the resolution has already been added
[02:39] <delltony> then again i'm not that advanced on networking unfortunately
[02:39] <marcin_ant> iapx8088: it could be easier to remove config files and use for example GConf for everything
[02:39] <iapx8088> marcin_ant, I mean, if ones could just add bash_completion=1 and this would suffice to void the previous bash_completion=0
[02:40] <paolo> Hi guys! Does ubuntu support cups gimp-print driver?
[02:40] <delltony> i just know i have never had to set it up that way using a windows pc
[02:40] <ficusplanet> randabis, True, but he didn't say that he had a problem with that, so I might as well assume that the default/easiest solution is what he wants.
[02:40] <delltony> i just set it manual ip gave it the subnet gateway and dns servers and that was it
[02:40] <iapx8088> marcin_ant, gconf is a gnome tool, and better stay a gnome tool. I wouldn'advise this. Morehow,bash developers must think for all the unixes/linuxes and so on.
[02:40] <lOSTmONK> thanks randabis-laptop
[02:40] <iapx8088> cannot rely on gconf.
[02:41] <DeepSpaceAnt> hey guys, is there any good html editor (actually dynamic drawing/editing like dreamweaver) yet?
[02:41] <lOSTmONK> whoops
[02:41] <lOSTmONK> u switched
[02:41] <randabis> no prob
[02:41] <randabis> so it worked now?
[02:41] <iapx8088> DeepSpaceAnt, there is but I can't remember the name. Don't know if is it good
[02:41] <lOSTmONK> well, its unloading the crap it tried installinh
[02:41] <randabis> hah
[02:41] <lOSTmONK> cfdisk isnt seeing my other hd
[02:41] <LinuxJones> delltony, usually you can't pick the ip address that a router supplies to you, it's usually set to some series of sequential host numbers aren't they ?
[02:41] <randabis> lOSTmONK, try cfdisk /dev/hdb
[02:42] <ficusplanet> Does anyone know what the executable for the program in the hoary menus called "Recording Level Monitor" is?
[02:42] <randabis> ficusplanet, indeed
[02:42] <hybrid> hoary costimization rules
[02:42] <auk> lOSTmONK: sorry, i said i didn't know very much, but please help
[02:42] <randabis> ficusplanet, I dunno
[02:42] <iapx8088> DeepSpaceAnt, www.nvu.con
[02:42] <iapx8088> m
[02:42] <Dreamer3> maybe what i needed was a fresh start
[02:42] <delltony> well i thought that too, but if you do it manual with  a static ip i don't think it polls it that way i just know right this minute i can go to a windows system and set it up as static (manual ip) and it will work
[02:42] <ficusplanet> randabis: I deleted the .desktop and now I actually need the program.  Doh!
[02:42] <lOSTmONK> auk, issue?
[02:42] <delltony> i just did it matter of fact
[02:43] <randabis> lol
[02:43] <marcin_ant> iapx8088: well but in somewhile you need to decide if you create integrated desktop environment based on linux or you make just another distro ;)
[02:43] <Dreamer3> i haven't installed half of my crap i had installed with Debian (though most of it's prolly cause i didn't install KDE)
[02:43] <auk> engage?
[02:43] <lOSTmONK> emgage?
[02:43] <randabis> Dreamer3, is that good?
[02:43] <ficusplanet> Wow, the fade in/fade out stuff in xcompmgr is sweet.
[02:43] <delltony> and whats funny i sbefore i reinstalled warty i had it working that way
[02:43] <Dreamer3> randabis: i suppose so
[02:43] <Dreamer3> ficusplanet: are you on hoary?
[02:43] <randabis> yeah xcompmgr is nifty
[02:43] <LinuxJones> delltony, that's interesting
[02:43] <auk> yes
[02:43] <ficusplanet> Dreamer3: Yes.
[02:44] <lOSTmONK>   qtparted: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.2.3-3) but it is not installable
[02:44] <lOSTmONK> E: Broken packages
[02:44] <randabis> I hope XGL takes off...that will rock
[02:44] <lOSTmONK> ouch
[02:44] <lOSTmONK> not cool at all
[02:44] <iapx8088> marcin_ant, the best way is probably to create separate tools to manage the various config files, the way ubuntu applet do.
[02:44] <randabis> did you apt-get update lOSTmONK?
[02:44] <lOSTmONK> auk, i have no idea of what u speak
[02:44] <lOSTmONK> good question
[02:44] <lOSTmONK> i thought sop
[02:44] <delltony> i mean this is correct for route is it not?
[02:44] <delltony> default         192.168.1.1     0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 wlan0
[02:45] <randabis> are you using synaptic or command line?
[02:45] <Dreamer3> ficusplanet: does it have composre compiled into xorg by default?
[02:45] <lOSTmONK> cli
[02:45] <randabis> Dreamer3, yes, but it isn't enabled by default
[02:45] <ficusplanet> Dreamer3: You just install libcomposite or some such.
[02:45] <Dreamer3> randabis: *nods*
[02:45] <Dreamer3> ficusplanet: ah
[02:45] <lOSTmONK> yeah, i did apt-get update, but still no dice
[02:45] <randabis> hmm
[02:45] <Dreamer3> ficusplanet: i use x.org, but a dri snapshot, don't think composite is compiled in
[02:45] <iapx8088> delltony, I miss the point to make a static network. Fear arp poisoining?
[02:46] <auk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=14231&goto=nextoldest   ?
[02:46] <randabis> qtparted shouldn't be broken...strange
[02:46] <delltony> no no that would be another issue
[02:46] <lOSTmONK> i agree
[02:46] <delltony> the issue at hand is for packet forwarding
[02:46] <ficusplanet> Dreamer3: Actually, libxcomposite, now that I look.  Yeah, composite is running pretty well for me - even on an i810.
[02:46] <delltony> as in ftp/torrents things of that nature
[02:46] <delltony> it hits my router and doesn't know where to send the info for 6881-6889
[02:47] <iapx8088> Ah I see
[02:47] <delltony> so right now i'm having to actually login to my router each time i connect
[02:47] <delltony> and reset the forwarding
[02:47] <delltony> which i find totally crazy
[02:47] <iapx8088> can't help you, last time I tried to make a network static with unix everything become unreachable
[02:48] <delltony> yea thats what i'm getting
[02:48] <delltony> same exact thing
[02:48] <iapx8088> as a matter of fact, is it easy to set a static network with windows/
[02:48] <iapx8088> ?
[02:48] <delltony> i even sudo ifdown -a and ifup -a 'd it
[02:48] <delltony> yes really easy
[02:48] <ubuntu2u> radabis, are you still here... or anyone else
[02:48] <iapx8088> delltony, no it doesn't work that way, I had to shut down the damn thing down
[02:48] <delltony> just go there add ip and subnet and the gateway
[02:48] <ubuntu2u> randabis*
[02:48] <iapx8088> the whole network.
[02:49] <lOSTmONK> qtparted:
[02:49] <lOSTmONK>  Depends: libqt3c102-mt but it is not installable
[02:49] <DeepSpaceAnt> damn, nvu runs on QT?
[02:49] <randabis> ubuntu2u, yes
[02:49] <iapx8088> DeepSpaceAnt, I believe
[02:49] <lOSTmONK> soafb
[02:49] <delltony> shut down the whole network as in pull the router and restart?
[02:49] <DeepSpaceAnt> iapx8088, well damn, dont know if i wanna install qt - was looking for a native gnome gtk app
[02:50] <iapx8088> DeepSpaceAnt, can understand you, but I don't know if you will find something.
[02:50] <iapx8088> the mozilla composer?
[02:50] <ficusplanet> DeepSpaceAnt: No, nvu is run on xul.
[02:50] <DeepSpaceAnt> hmm?
[02:50] <DeepSpaceAnt> hmm
[02:50] <delltony> hmm i'm gonna try it again and see what happens there has to be a reason behind it not working
[02:50] <delltony> bbl
[02:50] <ficusplanet> DeepSpaceAnt: The mozilla toolkit.
[02:50] <DeepSpaceAnt> ficusplanet, i get this error: (i did dpkg -i --force-all) /usr/local/nvu/nvu-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:50] <DeepSpaceAnt> what packages do i need then
[02:50] <hybrid> .nick hybrid^away
[02:51] <ficusplanet> DeepSpaceAnt: libstdc++
[02:51] <iapx8088> DeepSpaceAnt, try apt-get -f install
[02:51] <iapx8088> would remove nvu, in the worst case.
[02:52] <deadbit> how do i remove grub?
[02:52] <ubuntu2u> randabis, i have downloaded wine do i now do the command?
[02:52] <Dreamer3> if i ever had a spare fast PC i might have to try hoary
[02:52] <randabis> ubuntu2u, installed wine and winesetuptk?
[02:52] <Dreamer3> are all the packages changing like every day?
[02:53] <ubuntu2u> not winesetuptk...
[02:53] <ubuntu2u> what the hell is that
[02:53] <DeepSpaceAnt> iapx8088, i already have libstdc++5 already installed
[02:53] <randabis> I told you to install wine and winesetuptk
[02:53] <ubuntu2u> where do i get winesetuptk?
[02:53] <delltony_> very interesting it works
[02:53] <ubuntu2u> do i download it?
[02:53] <iapx8088> Delltony, how did you make it
[02:53] <delltony_> not sure what actually changed but oh well o.0
[02:54] <randabis> you type this... sudo apt-get install winesetuptk
[02:54] <delltony_> i just added it to /etc/network/interfaces
[02:54] <randabis> that is what you did to install wine right?
[02:54] <delltony_> and then sudo ifdown-a and ifup-a
[02:54] <delltony_> and it worked
[02:54] <delltony_> but i had done that before
[02:54] <delltony_> however
[02:54] <randabis> you did sudo apt-get install wine right ubuntu2u?
[02:55] <delltony_> i think the missing piece was i didn't have route add default gw 192.168.1.1 wlan0 added
[02:55] <ubuntu2u> randabis, yes i did and it said something.. hold on i will try again
[02:55] <delltony_> learn something new every day :)
[02:55] <Dreamer3> anyone, how many megs is hoary changing each day?
[02:55] <ubuntu2u> randabis it said package wine has no cantidate
[02:55] <ubuntu2u> no installation cantidate
[02:56] <bob2> Dreamer3: on the orders of low hundreds of megs
[02:56] <delltony_> oh and curious to know i'm still a noob but i found something that might be of benifit to other dell laptop users and was wondering if i should post it on the forum or not or if its already been covered
[02:56] <id_ID> iam, back... :-)
[02:56] <randabis> ubuntu2u, that means you don't have the universe repository enabled most likely
[02:56] <Dreamer3> bob2: really, just for the base ssytem?
[02:56] <delltony_> but you know how you have the fancy keys on most lappies?
[02:56] <randabis> ubuntu2u, you should use this as a guide...http://ubuntuguide.org
[02:56] <Dreamer3> bob2: when does it freeze?
[02:56] <randabis> it has a guide for enabling extra repositories
[02:56] <delltony_> you can type xev and then get the keycodes and then assign them to lineakd and they work just fine :)
[02:57] <ubuntu2u> randabis i am just downloading wine right now..
[02:57] <ubuntu2u> so w/e lol will it still work?
[02:57] <bob2> Dreamer3: no, for the whole archive
[02:57] <bob2> Dreamer3: the base isn't even hundreds of megs in total
[02:57] <delltony_> oh and speaking of wine has anyone been able to make dvdshrink run stable on wine yet?
[02:57] <randabis> ubuntu2u, I don't recommend doing it that way...you're not experienced enough yet
[02:58] <Dreamer3> bob2: i guess i mean "default install"
[02:58] <delltony_> i added the using="winxp" as the forums state and the program loads however
[02:58] <Dreamer3> bob2: mine was like a CD full compressed and 1.8g decompressed for Warty :)
[02:58] <delltony_> if you try to open a disk it gives you the good ol asi or whatever it is device not found
[02:58] <Dreamer3> bob2: so is there a timeline on when hoary will freeze?
[02:59] <bob2> Dreamer3: it's ~1.2GB unpacked, but all 650MB of compressed .debs gets dropped on the disk as well
[02:59] <bob2> Dreamer3: yes, on the wiki (and has been since september)
[02:59] <delltony_> and then you try to shrink and it hangs almost around 60 percent
[02:59] <Dreamer3> bob2: ok
[02:59] <randabis-laptop> Dreamer3, check the release schedule...feature freeze was last week
[03:00] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: i guess i meant archive freeze... when do they freeze updates from main debian
[03:00] <randabis-laptop> Dreamer3, it's on the release schedule, don't remember right now
[03:01] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: ok, guess i better find it then :)
[03:01] <jdub> Dreamer3: we've already frozen automatic syncs
[03:01] <jdub> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[03:01] <Dreamer3> jdub: thanks
[03:01] <Dreamer3> gee, why are things so slow
[03:03] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: it was jan 3rd
[03:03] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: hmmm, you'd think it wouldnt' be that "unstable" package change wise
[03:03] <randabis-laptop> Dreamer3, mdz told me it was last week
[03:04] <randabis-laptop> they were behind schedule some I think
[03:04] <mdz> randabis-laptop: no, that was feature freeze
[03:04] <randabis-laptop> yeah
[03:04] <mdz> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[03:04] <randabis-laptop> that's what I thought we were talking about
[03:05] <randabis-laptop> what "are" we speaking of?
 randabis-laptop: i guess i meant archive freeze... when do they freeze updates from main debian
[03:06] <mdz> ^^ UpstreamVersionFreeze
[03:06] <randabis-laptop> yeah
[03:06] <randabis-laptop> but I said feature freeze was last week not archive freeze
[03:06] <mdz> UpstreamVersionFreeze was delayed one week due to holidays, feature freeze happened on schedule
[03:06] <randabis-laptop> oh
[03:06] <randabis-laptop> gotcha now
[03:06] <randabis-laptop> I understand
[03:06] <Dreamer3> mdz: yeah, i caught that :)
[03:07] <Dreamer3> wow, we're getting close... preview freeze in 15 days
[03:07] <randabis-laptop> yep
[03:07] <Dreamer3> i might have to give it a spin then
[03:07] <Dreamer3> no idea what box to use though
[03:07] <randabis-laptop> I really hope usplash makes it in
[03:07] <raydogg> does ubuntu have encryption built into the kernel ?
[03:07] <bob2> yes
[03:07] <raydogg> for loopback encryption ?
[03:08] <bob2> why do people like usplash so much?
[03:08] <bob2> how often are you booting?
[03:08] <kent> is there som repositories for usplash to try with Hoary?
[03:08] <randabis-laptop> it's not for me
[03:08] <ajmitch> bob2: laptops might be booted quite often
[03:08] <bob2> ajmitch: make mjg59 fix your acpi then!
[03:08] <Dreamer3> anyone using 2.6.10 with hoary?
[03:08] <josh__> anyone here know how to install from a shell script
[03:08] <ajmitch> bob2: I haven't installed ubuntu on the laptop yet ;)
[03:08] <josh__> ?
[03:08] <randabis-laptop> Dreamer3, yes...it is hoary's default kernel
[03:09] <bob2> josh__: you need to elabroate on what you're trying to do.
[03:09] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: oh, i meant with warty :)
[03:09] <randabis-laptop> ah
[03:09] <Dreamer3> i'm not having any problems with 2.6.8.1, but it was a downgrade when i switched to ubuntu (as were a few other packages) :)
[03:09] <mlambie> ajmitch: I have found that suspend works quite well with my thinkpad, so I only ever reboot once a week or so.
[03:09] <randabis-laptop> I have used a 2.6.10 with warty
[03:09] <randabis-laptop> it was a roll your own kernel though from kernel.org
[03:09] <bob2> you miss a lot of drivers then
[03:09] <josh__> bob2: well i downloaded a package....i think, that is suppose to install xqf but i cant get it to work
[03:10] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: true, but it's in backports now :)
[03:10] <Dreamer3> did that xfce page ever get up?
[03:10] <randabis-laptop> heh I was only on warty a couple of days anyway so no biggie
[03:10] <ajmitch> mlambie: it may come in handy, I'll have to give it a spin
[03:10] <randabis-laptop> no idea about the xfce page
[03:11] <randabis-laptop> bob2, I only needed 1, maybe 2 of those drivers in restricted modules..nvidia, and for this laptop ndiswrapper
[03:12] <DeepSpaceAnt> where are the .desktop files located - i wanna add a icon for Nvu
[03:12] <salti> <new to ubuntu...I've been reading about installing wine and winesetuptk...so I did it on my system...what did I just install? Just curious.
[03:12] <id_ID> everybody, iam gtg >:D< c u all... :D
[03:13] <randabis-laptop> salti, you installed an application that allows you to run some windows programs in linux
[03:13] <salti> cool. thanks.
[03:13] <josh__> lol
[03:13] <randabis-laptop> winesetuptk is a setup tool for wine
[03:14] <salti> I ran winesetuptk first, is that okay
[03:14] <josh__> bob2: any luck whith xqf?
[03:14] <randabis-laptop> yes, you are supposed to run winesetuptk first
[03:14] <salti> again, cool.
[03:15] <randabis-laptop> then you just type wine nameofapp.exe
[03:15] <randabis-laptop> and pray it works
[03:15] <salti> lol
[03:15] <salti> thanks, randabis-laptop!
[03:15] <chillywilly> oo-boon-too
[03:15] <randabis-laptop> no problem
[03:16] <chillywilly> I love oo-boon-too
[03:16] <ajmitch> oh, hello chillywilly
[03:16] <chillywilly> hi ajmitch :)
[03:16] <randabis-laptop> I think I like gentoo better overall
[03:16] <chillywilly> no way
[03:16] <chillywilly> don't have the time for that
[03:16] <randabis-laptop> ubuntu will definitely stay on this laptop though
[03:17] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: yeah, it won over on mine
[03:17] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: just feels faster (a mystery) and still no prelinking
[03:18] <chi__> trying to update the kernel on a fresh ubuntu install, and apt-get install kernel isnt giving me a list of what's available...am i missing somehitng here?
[03:18] <randabis-laptop> Dreamer3, I know why....ubuntu uses LDFLAGS on the base programs
[03:18] <chillywilly> is ubuntu optimized for 686?
[03:18] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: yeah, i read that on gentoo
[03:18] <randabis-laptop> it's another form of prelinking that is safer than regular
[03:18] <jdub> chillywilly: built with 486 instructions, tuned for p4
[03:18] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: they were talking about some other optimization they should look at
[03:18] <randabis-laptop> yeah
[03:19] <jdub> randabis-laptop: it's not prelinking, it's linker optimisation
[03:19] <randabis-laptop> jdub, yeah, my bad
[03:19] <randabis-laptop> -wl, -O1 I think
[03:19] <hybrid> is skype in the repos?
[03:19] <Dreamer3> jdub: does that just filter out extra symbols that never needed to be linked anyways?
[03:19] <randabis-laptop> no
[03:20] <randabis-laptop> @skype
[03:20] <jdub> Dreamer3: it optimises the linker tables
[03:20] <hybrid> ok
[03:20] <ubuntu2u> whenever i try to to install something it says(like sudo apt-get install xine-ui) it says couldn't find package xine-ui
[03:20] <ubuntu2u> can anyone help?
[03:20] <randabis-laptop> http://ubuntuguide.org
[03:20] <randabis-laptop> check your repositories
[03:20] <hybrid> try apt-cache search xine0-ui to make sure it is there
[03:20] <randabis-laptop> chillywilly, nighties are fun :p
[03:21] <randabis-laptop> nightlies even
[03:21] <Dreamer3> jdub: ah, well that 100% explains it for me ;-)
[03:22] <chi__> i dont see this mentioned in the wiki or in the guides...i'm trying to update the kernel on a fresh ubuntu install, and apt-get install kernel isnt giving me a list of what's available...?
[03:22] <randabis-laptop> here's something fun...ldflags and prelinking...lol
[03:22] <jdub> chi__: apt-cache search linux-image
[03:22] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: prelinking should work fine
[03:23] <randabis-laptop> yeah
[03:23] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: but based on my understanding it won't really be faster than non-ubunut prelinking?
[03:23] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: not sure the extra ldflags help once you prelink it all?
[03:23] <chi__> jdub: ty very much...though i see only 2.6.8.1...i thought 2.6.10.x was out and stable?
[03:24] <randabis-laptop> they do in my experience...things load quicker after I added those flags and recompiled world
[03:24] <randabis-laptop> I had prelinked previously
[03:24] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: recompiling world? with ubuntu?
[03:24] <jdub> chi__: you're using warty, which has a single supported kernel
[03:24] <randabis-laptop> Dreamer3, no I meant gentoo :p
[03:25] <jdub> chi__: we have 2.6.10 in hoary (and 2.6.11, but that's regarded as experimental at this stage)
[03:25] <randabis-laptop> I don't know if you can set custom compiler flags in ubuntu
[03:25] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: ah :)
[03:25] <tha_gm> anyone install linux over a external firewire drive? (i'm on a mac by the way)
[03:25] <chi__> jdub: i didnt undertand that was part of the one release every 6 months, thanks
[03:25] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: i didn't think you could "compile world" in ubuntu is why i asked :)
[03:25] <randabis-laptop> hehe
[03:25] <randabis-laptop> well ubuntu's base already uses those flags
[03:26] <chi__> jdub: thanks for the heads up, have a good night
[03:26] <randabis-laptop> so it would be moot to recompile them
[03:26] <randabis-laptop> unless you started playing with cflags
[03:29] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: yeah, i know :)
[03:29] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: i did the cflags thing back in the gentoo day
[03:29] <Dreamer3> randabis-laptop: think i finally settled on -Os actually
[03:29] <randabis-laptop> I have some fun ones :p
[03:29] <randabis-laptop> I use -O2
[03:29] <ubuntu2u> hey tritium
[03:29] <jdub> guys, this is entirely off-topic
[03:30] <sgteich> how do you change the display resolution to 1600X1280 ?
[03:30] <randabis-laptop> we'll leave it at that then
[03:30] <lOSTmONK> ewwwww
[03:30] <lOSTmONK> soab
[03:30] <randabis-laptop> It was semi-related because we were talking about what makes ubuntu fast without prelinking
[03:30] <lOSTmONK> i killed it
[03:30] <ubuntu2u> tritium hows it going :D
[03:30] <lOSTmONK> i have no gnome panel now
[03:30] <lOSTmONK> :/
[03:30] <Dreamer3> jdub: you can compile software with ubuntu :)
[03:30] <randabis-laptop> hehe
[03:31] <Dreamer3> jdub: can't you? ;-)
[03:31] <tritium> ubuntu2u, hey there
[03:31] <tritium> I'm doing well, how are you?
[03:31] <lOSTmONK> also, how do i add another boot to the grub
[03:32] <randabis-laptop> lOSTmONK, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:32] <lOSTmONK> arg
[03:33] <LinuxJones> Night all !!
[03:33] <MSG43> hi
[03:33] <MSG43>  i need help
[03:33] <png> sry. i ve installed mplayer but its fonts are too small.. (same problem in xmms) ?
[03:33] <MSG43> trying to configure ndiswrapper were can I post my install log?
[03:34] <hybrid> does anyone in hoary have gmailfs workin
[03:34] <randabis-laptop> MSG43, www.pastebin.com
[03:34] <lOSTmONK> hrm
[03:34] <png> hybrid, i can see gmailfs version 0.3-2 apt-cache
[03:35] <MSG43> http://www.pastebin.com/241924
[03:35] <MSG43> this is my install log
[03:35] <MSG43> I always get errors and ndiswrapper won't intsall please help
[03:36] <lOSTmONK> has anyone done an edit of the grub.lst?
[03:36] <lOSTmONK> specially since by default it never comes up?
[03:36] <HrdwrBoB> MSG43: you don't need to compile ndiswrapper
[03:37] <HrdwrBoB> the module is in linux-restricted-modules
[03:37] <HrdwrBoB> the tools are in ndiswrapper-tools
[03:37] <MSG43> drdwrbob: what do you mean? What do I do to install my windows dirver?
[03:37] <MSG43> like what command?
[03:37] <lOSTmONK> .j #linuxtalk
[03:38] <hybrid> png yea but i cant get the othr packages working
[03:38] <ubuntu2u> tritium, maybe you can help me with a question
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> MSG43: use ndswrapper -i file.inf
[03:38] <HrdwrBoB> MSG43: you don't need to compile anything
[03:39] <MSG43> hrdwrbob: when I type ndiswrapper or sudo ndiswrapper I get error command not found
[03:39] <HrdwrBoB> so run sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[03:39] <MSG43> I can't do that
[03:39] <MSG43> I have no internet
[03:39] <sgteich> is there way to add a screen resolution to the system configuration - screen resolution setting?
[03:39] <MSG43> I need to compile it as far as I know
[03:39] <ubuntu2u> tritium, whenever i try and install something through the ubuntu guide. it says couldn't find package *****(*****being the thing i want to install)
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> MSG43: it's on the CD
[03:40] <ubuntu2u> or does anyone else know?
[03:40] <MSG43> so I search ndiswrapper on the cd and install it
[03:40] <lOSTmONK> omg this is nuts
[03:40] <lOSTmONK> wtf is going on
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> lOSTmONK: ?
[03:40] <MSG43> I wish someone her would have told me that earily
[03:40] <MSG43> bye gonna try
[03:40] <lOSTmONK> trying to edit the grub
[03:41] <randabis> back
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu2u: do you have your sources.list setup correctly (settings->repositorie sin synaptic
[03:41] <randabis> had to kill xserver so I'm in irssi
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> randabis: many people use irssi even when they run X :)
[03:41] <randabis> yeah I realize that
[03:41] <tritium> ubuntu2u, can you be a little more specific?
[03:42] <tritium> ubuntu2u, do you have universe and multiverse in your sources.list
[03:42] <|QuaD|> anyone know of a way to edit OOo writer files in cli?
[03:43] <randabis> naim is nifty too hehe
[03:43] <ubuntu2u> tritium/hrdwrbob, ummmm i havn't configured that how would i do that? and bob where is setting?
[03:43] <tritium> ubuntu2u, in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:43] <randabis> ubuntu2u: remember when I told you to go to http://ubuntuguide.org? you should have gone there
[03:43] <randabis> it explains this process
[03:44] <tritium> ubuntu2u, http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:44] <ubuntu2u> randabi, i di go there....
[03:44] <randabis> then what is the problem?
[03:45] <ubuntu2u> tritium ok i am there hold on a sec
[03:45] <randabis> question, can you join multiple channels in irssi? I haven't used this much :p
[03:45] <lOSTmONK> what do i do to get the grub menu to come up on ubuntu?
[03:46] <randabis> lOSTmONK: you edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:46] <MobyTurbo> lOSTmONK, press ESC while booting
[03:46] <randabis> or that also
[03:46] <randabis> default timeout is 3 seconds
[03:46] <lOSTmONK> i just edited the menu.lst
[03:47] <lOSTmONK> what part do i edit for it to show up?
[03:47] <sgteich> hello?
[03:47] <tritium> lOSTmONK, always run update-grub after editing it
[03:47] <randabis> there is an option in menu.lst to force it to show the menu
[03:47] <lOSTmONK> well, half the damn file is commented out
[03:48] <tritium> lOSTmONK, comment out "hiddenmenu"
[03:48] <randabis> comment out hiddenmenu to force
[03:48] <randabis> damn
[03:48] <randabis> :p
[03:48] <randabis> half of the file is commented because it is showing n00bs how to configure it... :p
[03:48] <sgteich> is this thing working?
[03:48] <randabis> yes
[03:49] <lOSTmONK> found it
[03:49] <randabis> we can see your text
[03:49] <randabis> ah
[03:49] <lOSTmONK> yeah i noticed that rqandabis, after i looked from getting the new entry
[03:49] <randabis> I figured it out :p
[03:49] <tritium> sgteich, that thing is working
[03:49] <lOSTmONK> yeah, i was juts rechecking my entry at the saem time
[03:49] <sgteich> thanks
[03:49] <randabis> ALT + number to change channels :p
[03:50] <lOSTmONK> and i increased the timeout
[03:50] <Dreamer3> randabis: what chat program?
[03:50] <lOSTmONK> 3 seconds is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too fast
[03:50] <randabis> Dreamer3: irssi
[03:50] <lOSTmONK> soime cli irc
[03:50] <png> sry. i ve installed mplayer but its fonts are too small.. (same problem in xmms) ?
[03:50] <lOSTmONK> prolly irssi
[03:50] <randabis> I'm not in X atm
[03:50] <Dreamer3> randabis: the only thing worth typing into :)
[03:50] <lOSTmONK> :P
[03:50] <Dreamer3> randabis: oh
[03:50] <Dreamer3> randabis: you a x-chat junkie really?
[03:50] <lOSTmONK> Dreamer3, depends
[03:50] <randabis> yes :p
[03:50] <hybrid> irssi rules
[03:50] <lOSTmONK> i have 15 channels to be in for a game i play
[03:51] <duckdown> I'm seriously getting friggin so fed up with 2.6.10.. Does this even make sense.. I'm using the stock 2.6.10 kernel that comes with ubuntu amd64, so just because I'm having so much trouble I copy the exact /boot/config file to /usr/src/linux-2.6.10/.config so everything is the EXACT same, and I'm still getting god damn kernel panic trying to mount unknown volume(0,0)
[03:51] <lOSTmONK> irssi is a pain with that
[03:51] <Dreamer3> lOSTmONK: i can do 15 channels with irssi :)
[03:51] <Dreamer3> lOSTmONK: i have before... as long as you save them in locations you know :)
[03:51] <lOSTmONK> Dreamer3, im sure i could, but i cant coordinate 20 people making attacks in a warchat with it
[03:51] <tritium> duckdown, are you using the ubuntu sources?
[03:51] <duckdown> tritium: yes
[03:51] <lOSTmONK> be a royal pain
[03:51] <hybrid> Dreamer3 : what do u hit to get to say window 12
[03:51] <lOSTmONK> better than epic though
[03:51] <lOSTmONK> epic was really bad
[03:52] <duckdown> i know it has something to do with initrd
[03:52] <duckdown> it boots fine because all of the other kernels use initrd
[03:52] <duckdown> I don't know how the hell to make one though
[03:52] <HrdwrBoB> so does 2.6.10
[03:52] <lOSTmONK> ok people
[03:52] <lOSTmONK> time to boot to my slack
[03:52] <tritium> duckdown, you're using kernel-package?
[03:52] <randabis> duckdown: mkinitrd
[03:52] <HrdwrBoB> the default ubuntu setup has an initrd
[03:52] <lOSTmONK> :P
[03:52] <duckdown> tritium: Yes, I've tried plain make also
[03:52] <Dreamer3> hybrid: alt-e? i think? don't have 12 windows open now... and you have to tell gnome-terminal not to intercept that keystroke
[03:52] <duckdown> randabis: I wish i knew how
[03:53] <randabis> duckdown: mkinitrd initrd-kernel.img /path/to/kernel/modules
[03:53] <Dreamer3> hybrid: or alt-w
[03:53] <randabis> done
[03:53] <hybrid> o ic
[03:53] <duckdown> hold on, let me try that
[03:53] <duckdown> i'm losing my mind
[03:53] <sgteich> have a good nite - thanks for the help
[03:54] <nomasteryoda> what a nice signoff line... yuk
[03:54] <hybrid> lol
[03:54] <duckdown> randabis: what's the proper path though
[03:54] <nomasteryoda> hybrid: what's up?
[03:54] <snowblink> nomasteryoda: Jay and Silent Bob reference I think.
[03:54] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:54] <tritium> I like seb128's sign off.  He like's core dumps :)
[03:54] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:54] <Agrajag> The internet is a place for people to get together and share pornography and complain about movies.
[03:55] <hybrid> nomateryoda :ntm u?
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:55] <randabis> duckdown: depends on your kernel /lib/modules/kernelnumber usually
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> watching 24
[03:55] <hybrid> nomasteryoda : any good
[03:55] <nomasteryoda> yes... pretty good ... installing Damnsmall on a 2gb hd
[03:56] <randabis> so if you are using kernel 2.6.10, mkinitrd initrd-2.6.10.img /lib/modules/2.6.10
[03:56] <randabis> as an example
[03:56] <hybrid> i am gonna put dsl on my ngage so i will have a usb copy of linux everyware
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> 0.9.3 is good
[03:56] <duckdown> yeah wrong syntax
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> very fast
[03:56] <duckdown> i'm reading the man pagwe
[03:56] <randabis> you'll need to put the initrd it makes into /boot
[03:56] <skreet> Anyone here familiar with Apache?
[03:56] <nomasteryoda> using on my LCD screen picture viewers
[03:56] <duckdown> yeah and add it to menu.lst
[03:56] <randabis> yep
[03:56] <duckdown> like the rest of my entries
[03:56] <hybrid> kool
[03:57] <duckdown> the syntax is different
[03:57] <skreet> Apache seems to be ignoring my DocumentRoot directive and defaulting to /var/www -- also it will not default to /var/www/index.html unless i specify /index.html when opening the site.. any ideas?
[03:58] <duckdown> it looks like its   mkinitrd -r /lib/modules/kernel# -o initrd.img
[03:58] <Zugot> how come gnome under vmware running on windows xp feels faster than windows xp itself
[03:58] <Zugot> that is crazy
[03:58] <duckdown> is that correct
[03:58] <hybrid> nomasteryoda : dsl is awesome for lite weight/wait but still good peromance
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> yup
[03:59] <nomasteryoda> i have used it on a 32mb P166mhz system
[03:59] <tritium> battery low...time to go
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> added another chip and have it at 64mb
[04:00] <delltony_> Zugot: i have noticed that too haha
[04:00] <delltony_> i'm running the same thing
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> cool
[04:00] <snowblink> skreet: DocumentRoot!=DirectoryIndex
[04:00] <skreet> snowblink: two different issues.
[04:00] <skreet> 1) Is not honoring my DocumentRoot directive.
[04:01] <skreet> 2) Is not going to index.html by default.
[04:01] <skreet> :D
[04:01] <hybrid> nomasteryoda : i am thinkin about puttin it on my sis comp with xp that has 64 mb aand like 900mhz
[04:01] <nomasteryoda> cool
[04:02] <hybrid> i gotta c if her usb wireless will work
[04:02] <lOSTmONK> man, grub sux
[04:02] <nomasteryoda> ndiswrapper for sure
[04:02] <duckdown> it sucks for SATA drives
[04:02] <skreet> Why?
[04:02] <hybrid> it is a dlink
[04:02] <duckdown> i gotta dual boot by using bios to choose to boot either IDE or SATA first
[04:02] <duckdown> ide being linux sata being xp
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> hybrid: that might be a good thing.. .might be atheros
[04:03] <hybrid> :)
[04:03] <hybrid> so you think it would work
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> certainly is a good chance
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> i would boot using latest version to see
[04:04] <hybrid> ok
[04:04] <hybrid> she needs it cuz the xp is in special boot b/c of "unfixable" spyware
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> i downloaded it via bittorrent and had it in like 1.2 min
[04:04] <hybrid> i say it is a virus M$ cant handle
[04:04] <hybrid> kool
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> burned it in 2
[04:04] <hybrid> kool
[04:05] <nomasteryoda> it works well on the usb keys too
[04:05] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:05] <hybrid> i never used the burner on this notebook
[04:05] <hybrid> lol
[04:05] <marcin_ant> skreet: maybe you have syntax error in config file
[04:05] <duckdown> ack.. does anybody know the mkinitrd syntax?
[04:05] <nomasteryoda> yea, i know too many winders users who are just spyware magnets
[04:05] <hybrid> i dont like the new synaptic
[04:05] <duckdown> I don't know how to specify what dir to use
[04:05] <skreet> marcin_ant: I hope not.. is there any errlog that would tell me that.
[04:05] <marcin_ant> skreet: btw I got a question about apache
[04:05] <hybrid> nomasteryoda : sure are. did u see ppl are goin after mozilla now
[04:06] <marcin_ant> skreet: what is mem usage (virt) of your apache?
[04:06] <hybrid> o_O
[04:06] <skreet> My DirectoryIndex line includes a bunch of extensions yet the error log is saying cannot find "index.php" like I didnt mention any other options
[04:06] <skreet> Havent gotten that far yet, how do I tell?
[04:06] <nomasteryoda> yea
[04:06] <nomasteryoda> and now the Antispyware from ms
[04:06] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[04:06] <hybrid> yea
[04:06] <hybrid> lol they r makin a av too
[04:07] <marcin_ant> skreet: but you got it up and running right?
[04:07] <hybrid> but if spyware ever gets bad for linux o_O i always got lynx and elinks
[04:07] <hybrid> ;)
[04:07] <hybrid> viva la cli
[04:07] <hybrid> lol
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> lol yea
[04:09] <tweek_> hello, i was just trying to ./configure xine media player, and got this funny error o.0
[04:09] <tweek_> configure: error: conditional "HAVE_XV" was never defined.
[04:09] <tweek_> Usually this means the macro was only invoked conditionally.
[04:09] <tweek_> does anyone know what that means?
[04:09] <Agrajag> why are you trying to build it?
[04:09] <tweek_> so i can play music and videos
[04:09] <duckdown> Can somebody help me with mkinitrd syntax?? I need to make an initrd image or else Im getting kernel panics
[04:10] <eyequeue> some people seem allergic to apt-get
[04:10] <randabis> tweek_: it's already in ubuntu
[04:10] <Agrajag> tweek_: just install it with apt
[04:10] <tweek_> apt-get wont work
[04:10] <eyequeue> tweek_:  go to the urls in the /topic
[04:10] <Agrajag> tweek_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages/
[04:10] <hybrid> tweek tried synaptic search?
[04:10] <Agrajag> enable universe, then install it
[04:10] <tweek_> whats universe?
[04:10] <randabis> I recommend totem-xine
[04:10] <tweek_> thats what im trying to do
[04:10] <hybrid> tweek_ where all the packages r at
[04:11] <randabis> tweek_: an official ubuntu repository containing thousands of unsupported packages
[04:11] <|QuaD|> ok... so i am all set to write documentation... what should i document????
[04:11] <randabis> that is universe
[04:11] <Agrajag> tweek_: read the link I pasted
[04:11] <Agrajag> tweek_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages/
[04:11] <duckdown> |QuaD|: How to use MKINITRD
[04:11] <|QuaD|> duckdown: thats above my head :)
[04:11] <duckdown> @#$
[04:12] <tweek_> lol, ive done that,
[04:12] <tweek_> :)
[04:12] <duckdown> help pls
[04:12] <duckdown> the guy who told me how to use it left suddenly
[04:12] <hybrid> |QuaD| document how to use universe and what it is a great faq
[04:12] <hybrid> :P
[04:12] <|QuaD|> what is a gret faq?
[04:12] <tweek_> it always asks me for dependecies
[04:12] <|QuaD|> isn't the how to use universe already in the wiki?
[04:13] <hybrid> |QuaD| what is universe and how do i use it
[04:13] <|QuaD|> hybrid: i can write that... isn't it already in the wiki though?
[04:13] <hybrid> idk?
[04:13] <snowblink> duckdown: mkinitrd -o /boot/yourkernelversion.img
[04:13] <randabis> duckdown: man page didn't help?
[04:13] <duckdown> snowblink: someone said i have to specify the /lib/modules/kernel#
[04:14] <randabis> yes
[04:14] <randabis> you do
[04:14] <duckdown> randabis: no.. there is no option i can see to specify the lib
[04:14] <duckdown> i see the -o image.img
[04:14] <randabis> mkinitrd -o /boot/image.img /lib/modules/2.6.10
[04:14] <randabis> that should work
[04:14] <|QuaD|> hybrid: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages/view?searchterm=universe
[04:14] <kent> Agrajag, why not add that page to the SynapticHowto? seems odd to have to pages about how to use synaptic and howto add universe..
[04:14] <duckdown> hrmm
[04:14] <hybrid> oo ok
[04:14] <tweek_> now a dumb question how do i start totem-xine o.0
[04:14] <duckdown> ill try that, hango n
[04:15] <randabis> tweek_: just run totem from the multimedia menu
[04:15] <Agrajag> kent: Go ahead and do it, I don't have a wiki account
[04:15] <tweek_> ok.
[04:15] <snowblink> duckdown: have you done make modules_install?
[04:15] <duckdown> snowblink: yes
[04:15] <|QuaD|> tweek_: just type totem :)
[04:15] <duckdown> but the kernel panics upon bootup.. and the other two dont that use an initrd
[04:15] <tweek_> will that start xine totem,because totem alone wont play my media
[04:15] <duckdown> and i copied the config file from one of those (which use initrd)
[04:15] <shad0w1e> what's with everyone saying you can't put KDE on ubuntu?? I did it, and quite easily!!!!
[04:16] <hybrid> lol
[04:16] <|QuaD|> shad0w1e: it has come a long way in the past couple of days
[04:16] <eyequeue> shad0w1e:  who said you can't?
[04:16] <NetwrkMonkey> Later Folks, time to relax..
[04:16] <snowblink> duckdown: have you updated your menu.lst?
[04:16] <kent> Agrajag, i dont have the time. I should be sleeping now :(  But both pages are great! No mention of a terminal, i just hate it when beginners are asked to open a terminal to run some magic commands :(
[04:16] <tweek_> i tried,i know its possible but its above my head
[04:16] <|QuaD|> i wouldn't mind seeing some kubuntu screenshots
[04:16] <duckdown> snowblink: yes
[04:16] <shad0w1e> it is SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:16] <hybrid> |QuaD| kde sux
[04:16] <shad0w1e> as simple as going into synaptic package manager and checking it off
[04:16] <Agrajag> beginners _SHOULD_ use bash.
[04:16] <duckdown> kde blows
[04:17] <randabis> duckdown: make the initrd, then make sure to add the new initrd below the kernel line of your new kernel
[04:17] <jdub> guys, please don't get caught up in desktop arguments
[04:17] <shad0w1e> why does everyone hate kde so much?
[04:17] <jdub> hybrid, duckdown: that's unnecessary
[04:17] <|QuaD|> hybrid, duckdown: please don't start a desktop war
[04:17] <duckdown> randabis: i'm about to try that line you told me now
[04:17] <duckdown> jdub: sorry
[04:17] <jdub> shad0w1e: leave it alone please
[04:17] <|QuaD|> damn it... jdub beat me to it
[04:17] <shad0w1e> sure thing
[04:17] <shad0w1e> I think they're both good
[04:17] <randabis> I don't hate kde, but it is not practical for me to use
[04:17] <hybrid> :P
[04:17] <monk_> wheeeeeeeeeee
[04:17] <duckdown> i just love fluxbox
[04:17] <|QuaD|> shad0w1e: everyone has perferences... i like bmw's but my best friend thinks audi's are 10x nicer
[04:17] <tweek_> sweeet xine-totem is cool
[04:17] <hybrid> * wonders why Gnome is sooo better*
[04:18] <hybrid> jp
[04:18] <shad0w1e> KDE runs faster and is stashed with more apps. GNOME is slower and more empty
[04:18] <jdub> guys
[04:18] <eyequeue> shad0w1e:  relax, ubuntu is gnome-centric by design, so you'll find it attracts those with such opinions, don't take it personally
[04:18] <jdub> far out
[04:18] <monk_> flux is great
[04:18] <duckdown> monk_: oh ya :D
[04:18] <kent> Agrajag, why should they use bash? I dont think my brother will be any happier if i tell him to use the terminal to do stuff that as easy can be done in Gnome :(
[04:18] <jdub> shad0w1e, hybrid: leave it out please
[04:18] <randabis> tweek_: you'll probably wanna get some codecs for it
[04:18] <shad0w1e> sure thing, this is my first distro I'm trying out, other than my old red hat 6.2
[04:18] <randabis> which desktop environment is best is off-topic
[04:18] <monk_> only issues is idesk and fbbac suk
[04:18] <Agrajag> kent: if it can be done in gnome, then do it in gnome.
[04:18] <Agrajag> whatever.
[04:18] <eyequeue> shad0w1e:  okay, now you're starting to sound like you're baiting them, which is no better than if it's the other direction.  please think on that a bit
[04:18] <|QuaD|> bring the discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:18] <Agrajag> but the shell is a lot more powerful.
[04:18] <tweek_> wel its already pklaying all my media disc's :)
[04:18] <|QuaD|> if you want to talk about the different wm
[04:18] <jdub> eyequeue: leave it alone please
[04:18] <tweek_> my typeing is horrible
[04:19] <eyequeue> shad0w1e:  yes you can install it easily, that part was cool :)
[04:19] <shad0w1e> w/e I'm new to them both. I don't HAVE an opionion. KDE plays nicer with my old p2 266 with 192 ram though
[04:19] <png> lol, is say there is no compiler:( is there a general pack for it.
[04:20] <eyequeue> png:  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:20] <|QuaD|> shad0w1e: can't you understand stop
[04:20] <png> thanks
[04:20] <hybrid> shad0w1e try xfce or flux there are tiny
[04:20] <DeepSpaceAnt> guys im getting this error (im running a script) Can't locate LWP/UserAgent.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./launch.pl line 5.
[04:20] <DeepSpaceAnt>  whats the library i have to apt-get again? someing like a web or http library
[04:20] <duckdown> fluxbox <3
[04:20] <|QuaD|> shad0w1e: talk in #ubuntu-offtopic... i would love to continue the debate
[04:20] <hybrid> *makes a suggestion dont flame me
[04:20] <mebaran151> hey
[04:20] <shad0w1e> OK! question: does synaptic always find the lates versions?
[04:20] <mebaran151> mplayer keeps complaining I dont have SSE
[04:20] <mebaran151> yet I know the Athlon64 does
[04:20] <mebaran151> how do I make it go happen
[04:20] <randabis> haha
[04:20] <|QuaD|> shad0w1e: the latest version in the repos
[04:20] <mebaran151> shad0w1e, it does it automagically
[04:21] <duckdown> randabis: this is insane.. i did mkinitrd -o initrd-test.img /lib/modules/kernel#/
[04:21] <shad0w1e> it's still pickign up on firefox beta. I had to get 1.0 myself. any reason?
[04:21] <duckdown> randabis: and it doesn't even output a initrd-test.img file#@$
[04:21] <eyequeue> shad0w1e:  because 1.0 isn't in warty, it's in warty-backports or hoary
[04:22] <Hymie> http://forums.undergroundhiphop.com/readpost.asp?Forum=GenDiscussion&Whichpage=2&Whichpage2=1&QuestionID=1445698
[04:22] <|QuaD|> shad0w1e: you using warty/
[04:22] <shad0w1e> yes
[04:22] <shad0w1e> but shouldn't it look for latest packages?
[04:22] <|QuaD|> thats why
[04:22] <mebaran151> anybody know about SSE
[04:22] <eyequeue> shad0w1e:  latest as of october
[04:22] <|QuaD|> shad0w1e: the latest packeges in the repo
[04:22] <shad0w1e> warty is discontiuned ???
[04:23] <|QuaD|> no... it is stable
[04:23] <eyequeue> shad0w1e:  later than that, you would need to have it look in warty-backports or hoary
[04:23] <shad0w1e> I'm just looking for practicality
[04:23] <|QuaD|> shad0w1e: the version in warty is uber stable
[04:23] <shad0w1e> should I change my file to include those servers?
[04:24] <|QuaD|> shad0w1e: you can upgrade now
[04:24] <shad0w1e> yes but when I hit CTRL-F it opens a dialogue...
[04:24] <shad0w1e> heh heh
[04:24] <OrangeSlice> evenin' folks
[04:24] <eyequeue> shad0w1e:  "this works, and works well together, let's bundle it together and release it"  <-- in ubuntu that happens every six months, the last was in october, the next is in april
[04:24] <shad0w1e> oh I see. so basically if I want anything newer than what was "designed for warty" I gotta get it myself
[04:25] <|QuaD|> shad0w1e: no, you gotta use some "unstable" versions
[04:25] <|QuaD|> like hoary
[04:25] <|QuaD|> though hoary is stable currently
[04:25] <|QuaD|> imho
[04:25] <eyequeue> shad0w1e:  no, for the third time, those things are in warty-backports or hoary
[04:25] <shad0w1e> yes but i dont want a beta operating system
[04:25] <tweek_> now the only thing on my to-do list is to get wine :)
[04:25] <eyequeue> shad0w1e:  look here perhaps: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[04:25] <shad0w1e> wine is MAD SIMPLE to put in
[04:26] <shad0w1e> eyequeue: thanks
[04:26] <tweek_> i did what the guide said
[04:26] <tweek_> but wine packedge was missing
[04:26] <duckdown> Can somebody PLEASE tell me the syntax for mkinitrd... mkinitrd -o file.img /lib/modules/2.6.10#/ is not outputting any file
[04:26] <farruinn> shad0w1e: note that backports have caused some people problems when upgrading from warty to hoary
[04:26] <shad0w1e> ah
[04:26] <shad0w1e> so maybe I'll just leave things as they are. I put in firefox 1.0 by itself, it seems to work, leave it....
[04:27] <eyequeue> shad0w1e:  i'm not recommending you use either backports or hoary, just pointing out a source where you can gain some understanding before making a secision yourself
[04:27] <tweek_> totem has decent soudn quality
[04:27] <tweek_> sound
[04:27] <shad0w1e> the only thing i CANT seem to figure out is getting my goddamn fglrx working
[04:27] <snowblink> farruinn: even if they remove the backports first?
[04:27] <shad0w1e> I've tried EVERYTHING
[04:27] <farruinn> snowblink: that's the key, the backports must be removed first
[04:27] <eyequeue> shad0w1e:  ubuntuforms (without the backports part on the front) has had some conversations about that recently.  you're not alone
[04:28] <poningru> hi trying to install the latest openoffice
[04:28] <randabis> duckdown: try what I told you in ubuntu-offtopic
[04:28] <eyequeue> forUms
[04:28] <duckdown> randabis: you didn't tell me what directory to try from
[04:28] <randabis> it doesn't matter what directory
[04:28] <poningru> nm
[04:28] <shad0w1e> oh now I get it. Ubuntu doesn't let newer releases "in"
[04:28] <randabis> but you could be in /boot if you want
[04:29] <shad0w1e> well thanks a LOT guys !!!
[04:29] <randabis> mkinitrd -o test.img 2.6.10 "should" work
[04:29] <eyequeue> shad0w1e:  every six months, a compilation of what worked best together is released
[04:29] <tweek_> woot i can listen to my old LoA songs and vids :)
[04:29] <duckdown> nope
[04:29] <duckdown> randabis: it does stuff on the HD like its gonna work
[04:29] <marcin_ant> ehh it's 4:30 am here and I'm still working
[04:29] <duckdown> and completes without error
[04:29] <duckdown> but no file
[04:30] <randabis> that is weird
[04:30] <marcin_ant> fundamental question folks - how to make money with ubuntu.... ?
[04:30] <randabis> I've never had that happen before
[04:30] <wasabi> Does anybody know the status of LVM and EVMS in Ubuntu PowerPC?
[04:30] <OrangeSlice> well, I've got a question.  is there a console application to grab the contents of a plain text document and stick it in gnome's clipboard?
[04:30] <wasabi> Like, why it looks disabled (is it?)
[04:31] <jdub> marcin_ant: you, or canonical?
[04:31] <paulproteus> OrangeSlice: xclip or something like it.
[04:31] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  one option, be a coder, and use ubuntu to do your coding on, another, same but s/coder/sysadmin/, another ... you get the idea
[04:31] <marcin_ant> jdub: me of course :)
[04:31] <OrangeSlice> xclip is using the X clipboard, which many applications don't seem to read from
[04:32] <paulproteus> OrangeSlice: You can usually middle-click to paste.
[04:32] <paulproteus> But, I do see your problem, and don't know of a good solution for you.
[04:32] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  one could even be an author and use ubuntu for the writing, heh
[04:32] <OrangeSlice> gah
[04:32] <tha_gamemaster> can anyone assist me with the ppc version?
[04:32] <jdub> marcin_ant: sell yourself. consulting services.
[04:32] <paulproteus> tha_gamemaster: Well, I'm running Ubuntu on ppc.
[04:33] <paulproteus> Do you have a question?
[04:33] <mebaran151> My nvidia modules wont load
[04:33] <mebaran151> because it says that the module is invalid
[04:33] <tha_gamemaster> yes i do paulproteus , my problem is during the modprobe of the install, it hangs
[04:33] <tweek_> why isnt wine in the place they tole me to find it :(
[04:33] <mebaran151> invalid format
[04:33] <OrangeSlice> I've written a simple shell script to grab xmms-infopipe output, pipe it through grep and sed into a readable format, but now I need to stick that in the clipboard
[04:33] <tha_gamemaster> probing ide adapters
[04:33] <mebaran151> it tells me
[04:33] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  basically it all boils back down to "what are you good at?"
[04:33] <hybrid> the_gamemaster i am on ppc
[04:33] <mebaran151> when I force it, it works like a charm
[04:33] <mebaran151> but I would like to know why it wont load automagically anymore
[04:33] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: I can use any operating system for coding..
[04:33] <OrangeSlice> I have it set up to use xclip, but several applications (ex. firefox) won't paste it
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> hybrid: cool
[04:34] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  basically
[04:34] <mebaran151> and how do I add the force option to my initrc
[04:34] <mebaran151> I mean
[04:34] <tha_gamemaster> i  tried manually modprobing the one that hangs, and it worked, but it just went to the next module and hung there
[04:34] <mebaran151> the modules set up file
[04:34] <paulproteus> OrangeSlice: You can middle-click in the Firefox window (e.g., the address bar, the google bar) for the X Current Selection to be pasted.
[04:34] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  did i misunderstand your question?
[04:34] <paulproteus> Not great, I know.
[04:34] <hybrid> nomasteryoda : ?
[04:34] <paulproteus> OrangeSlice: Look into xcutsel.
[04:35] <paulproteus> You might like it.
[04:35] <hybrid> the_gamemaster meet me in ubuntu-ppc
[04:35] <tha_gamemaster> any ideas paulproteus , hybrid ?
[04:35] <OrangeSlice> I also need to paste into DC++, which I'm running with Wine
[04:35] <tha_gamemaster> k hybrid
[04:35] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  ubuntu is not likely to issue you a paycheck, it's likely to be a tool you use while getting one from someone else
[04:35] <OrangeSlice> which won't read the x clipboard :p
[04:35] <paulproteus> OrangeSlice: Please look into xcutsel.
[04:35] <OrangeSlice> I will
[04:35] <marcin_ant> jdub: it is very hard to get money from services like this in my country :(
[04:35] <OrangeSlice> thank you
[04:35] <AlphaXero> is there a way to set shadows on icons in gnome?
[04:35] <paulproteus> My motto is, "Thank me when it works."
[04:36] <paulproteus> :)
[04:36] <marcin_ant> jdub: I wonder if there is a way to work "remotely"...
[04:36] <AlphaXero> like in nautilus i'd like shadows on my files
[04:36] <mebaran151> heh
[04:36] <mebaran151> who do I tell to recompile the restricted modules
[04:36] <mebaran151> on AMD64
[04:36] <mebaran151> they are out of sync it looks like
[04:36] <mebaran151> I had to force load
[04:36] <mebaran151> which works
[04:36] <DeepSpaceAnt> where do i add the mplayer plugins i downloaded ? Which directory
[04:36] <tweek_> im on a amd64
[04:36] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: yes but ubuntu is a part of IT market
[04:36] <mebaran151> but they are compiled against 2.6.10.3 on my machine
[04:37] <mebaran151> and the latest that just got installed is 2.6.10.4
[04:37] <duckdown> wtf man.. this is retarded.. I copied the EXACT /boot/config file to my /usr/src/2.6.10/.config, built the kernel EXACTLY the same, even included a initrd like the working entries in GRUB, but frigging still right after selecting the kernel, it does the AUDIT line, then KERNEL PANIC - NOT SYNCING: VFS: Unable to mount unknown root device(0,0)
[04:37] <mebaran151> kernel image that is
[04:37] <tha_gamemaster> paulproteus, i have taht same motto!
[04:37] <tweek_> brb im going to try and get wine
[04:37] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: so it's not just tool
[04:37] <paulproteus> duckdown: make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image
[04:37] <paulproteus> --initrd is key.
[04:37] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: it's also a product
[04:37] <paulproteus> tha_gamemaster: Good; it's a good motto, I think. :)
[04:37] <paulproteus> Makes sure people get helped.
[04:37] <duckdown> this is severely pissing me off
[04:37] <duckdown> ill try that.. hold on
[04:38] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  or rather "knowledge of it" is?  as in, you could admin my ubuntu for me, if i wanted? (ssh is great for that, btw)
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> hybrid, ppc is what you are using?
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> sry about this
[04:38] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: right
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> that
[04:39] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: so maybe I should ask "how to make money on my knowledge of ubuntu?"
[04:39] <hybrid> nomasteryoda : yup
[04:40] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  who would feel that knowledge is valuable to them? how do you reach them about it?
[04:40] <tibbetts> Is there a place to look on the web to find out what version of a given package is in which release of ubuntu?
[04:41] <wasabi> Oh my. Looks like I'm going to have to patch my Ubuntu kernel.
[04:42] <housetier> tibbetts, something like http://packages.debian.org/ for ubuntu?
[04:42] <eyequeue> tibbetts:  the Packages files on archive.ubuntu.com ?
[04:42] <tibbetts> Exactly
[04:42] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: the sad truth is that in my country "linux market" is almost doesn't exist
[04:42] <duckdown> paulproteus: it's telling me i have to apply some cramfs patch
[04:42] <duckdown> if i use --initrd
[04:42] <paulproteus> duckdown: Oh.
[04:42] <paulproteus> Not anymore.
[04:42] <paulproteus> That
[04:42] <|QuaD|> hybrid: i was about to respond to your comment!
[04:42] <paulproteus> 's an old message.
[04:42] <|QuaD|> and you left
[04:42] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: I could be something like sysadmin in some ISP
[04:42] <paulproteus> And you shouldn't worry about it.
[04:42] <hybrid> oo brb
[04:42] <|QuaD|> lol
[04:42] <paulproteus> I make kernels this way all the time, so trust me. :)
[04:42] <duckdown> hopefully
[04:43] <tibbetts> I suppose I could read the Packages files directly, but that is a lot of work. I was hoping for a nice web ui of some sort.
[04:43] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  another sad truth is that international consulting is probably a great deal harder than intranational
[04:43] <farruinn> tibbetts: you could browse around in pool
[04:43] <duckdown> cause this is driving me insane.. ive recompiled all day, and now im using the EXACT /boot/config file off the /boot/image im using fine right now
[04:43] <mebaran151> hey
[04:43] <duckdown> and its still panicing
[04:43] <mebaran151> I have an interesting little programming problem
[04:43] <paulproteus> tibbetts: Google ubuntu packages
[04:43] <paulproteus> You get http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[04:43] <mebaran151> I would like to know
[04:43] <mebaran151> the easiest way
[04:43] <mebaran151> to take a plain text file
[04:43] <mebaran151> and change every letter to one after it
[04:44] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  here, payment and taxation are big hassles, there you may have other barriers
[04:44] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: but it is very hard to get enough money from these services
[04:44] <mebaran151> like A=B, B=C, C=D, Z=A
[04:44] <hybrid> maybe a simple encryption
[04:44] <mebaran151> yeah
[04:44] <mebaran151> what tool would I use
[04:44] <mebaran151> it is exactly that
[04:44] <hybrid> idk
[04:44] <farruinn> mebaran151: google perl
[04:44] <mebaran151> a really simple encryption
[04:44] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: believe me that payment is not a problem
[04:44] <tibbetts> paulproteus: Thanks, sorry for my igooglacy.
[04:44] <mebaran151> not mawk
[04:44] <mebaran151> ?
[04:44] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  many companies selling physical objects refuse to sell internationally due to the extra hassles
[04:45] <mebaran151> farruinn, nothing quicker than having to write a perl script
[04:45] <mebaran151> nutsoid
[04:45] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: I mean in another countries
[04:45] <DeepSpaceAnt> anyone know how to get totem to play mms: files?
[04:45] <mebaran151> what is mms
[04:45] <DeepSpaceAnt> microsft media server
[04:45] <DeepSpaceAnt> streaming files
[04:45] <mebaran151> good luck
[04:45] <DeepSpaceAnt> (ie: yahoo launch)
[04:45] <poningru> hey guys does java come preinstalled with ubuntu?
[04:45] <mebaran151> MS dont like Linux
[04:45] <mebaran151> heheh
[04:45] <DeepSpaceAnt> nah  had it wokring b4
[04:45] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  if you do manage to find a creative solution to this, let me know
[04:45] <mebaran151> mplayer might though
[04:46] <poningru> a runtime enviroment?
[04:46] <Agrajag> poningru: no
[04:46] <farruinn> poningru: there are directions on ubuntuguide.org
[04:46] <eyequeue> poningru:  no, but it's mentioned how to do so in the faq i believe
[04:46] <poningru> ah thnx guys
[04:46] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: I think that payments in any country are better than in my country :(
[04:47] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  i've lived in small towns where i had similar feelings
[04:47] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: well sure - maybe in Ukraine, Russia or something like this payments are even worst
[04:49] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: but when I see for example prices like http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/paidsupport
[04:49] <DeepSpaceAnt> hey where do i add the mplayer coders i just downloaded? which dir?
[04:50] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: then I wonder where should I move to get simmilar earnings
[04:51] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: well and I don't live in small town, unfortunately
[04:51] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  looking at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=38 do you think you could offer poland-specific support?
[04:52] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: sure - but...
[04:52] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: I just cannot see market in Poland
[04:54] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  i don't know if relocation is an option (or desirable) for you.  is there perhaps a consultant in your area doing what you want to do, that you could buy luinch, in exchange for discussion about this?
[04:55] <eyequeue> they would know the local situation better than i and probably better than you
[04:55] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: you know the problem with linux is that people here thinks that it's free
[04:55] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: free and free of charge
[04:55] <eyequeue> nod
[04:55] <randabis> well, it is free
[04:56] <randabis> just support isn't free
[04:56] <randabis> official support that is
[04:56] <eyequeue> there's a labour cost, the hours we each put into learning what we know.  they're basically paying us to know for them
[04:56] <tjs> my brand new dell inspiron 9200 just arrived an hour ago, I pulled out my trusty warty CD and went to overwrite windows.. badness, cd was scratched, it installed but blew up on openoffice.org-bin. I configured my network, added hoary lines and did apt-get dist-upgrade hoary.. now I get The package openoffice.org-bin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[04:56] <tjs> I cant apt-get remove it
[04:57] <marcin_ant> randabis: sure
[04:57] <tjs> I dont care about fixing it, I just want to update to hoary, then Ill install OOo later
[04:57] <marcin_ant> randabis: but it is very hard to speak with people about money for free product :)
[04:57] <tjs> how can I get past this error?
[04:58] <randabis> marcin_ant: understood, but if they want help they must realize support does not come cheap
[04:58] <paulproteus> tjs: If you believe you can remove it, use a force option to apt-get.
[04:58] <eyequeue> that''s true whether we code, sysadmin, or whatever
[04:58] <tjs> ah
[04:58] <marcin_ant> randabis: and another thing is that when they hear that "your" product is free then they think that your job is also almost free - or just cheap
[04:58] <tjs> cheers
[04:58] <paulproteus> tjs: Best of luck.
[04:58] <marcin_ant> randabis: while in fact linux is not easy to maintain
[04:59] <marcin_ant> randabis: and I sometimes can agree that total cost of ownership could be high
[04:59] <marcin_ant> randabis: and real problem is that linux is not popular in my country
[04:59] <randabis> linux not easy to maintain...I dunno about that
[04:59] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  how much will it cost $large_company when their apache is taken over for one week by script kiddies?
[04:59] <viper12> absolute brain fart over here.......when pressing 'prtscr' to capture image........does it go to 'clipboard' or get saved somewhere?
[04:59] <paulproteus> marcin_ant: The Linux servers I admin are very easy to maintain.  But we'll have that flamewar somewhere else, I suppose.
[04:59] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  you are cheap, if your services cost them less than that amount :)
[05:00] <paulproteus> SELinux makes the Fedora ones' Apache much more secure.
[05:00] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: believe me that companies doesn't work in this way
[05:00] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: they of course know how much it will cost
[05:01] <Amaranth> paulproteus: I bet the Apache that comes with OpenBSD is even more secure. ;)
[05:01] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: but they won't pay you more than "standard"
[05:01] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  actually, $large_company alrady knows that and hires their staff internally for that.  it's $medium_company or $small_company that is hard to convince of the fact that you can be of value to them, and that they have a real need
[05:01] <paulproteus> Amaranth: Actually, SELinux really makes the CGIs secure.  Apache's always been fine.
[05:01] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: just standard for an hour
[05:02] <Amaranth> paulproteus: The one in OpenBSD runs in a jail, iirc.
[05:02] <hybrid> nomasteryoda com in ubuntu-offtopic
[05:03] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: you are from usa?
[05:03] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  yes
[05:03] <paulproteus> ben_: Nice reverse DNS!  I use rochester.res.rr.com when I'm at home, too.  Right now I'm at college.
[05:04] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  though i should mention that not all areas here are as you would imagine
[05:04] <rick__> Is this a good place to ask for help with my wireless on Ubuntu?
[05:04] <tjs> whats the command to re-run the first-time setup/install thingo?
[05:04] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: than simple question how much money can sysadmin get for his job - for example average ??? $/hour?
[05:05] <paulproteus> rick__: Sure, but you better ask.
[05:05] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  in the past five years i've lived in two different places that still to this day can not acheive better than 21.6k dialup connectivity, no broadband ever there
[05:05] <paulproteus> If you don't ask, no one'll answer you.
[05:05] <rick__> :)
[05:05] <snowblink> tjs: base-config?
[05:05] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  in that town, i don't think a sysadmin could make very much per hour than someone serving ice cream cones, heh
[05:06] <tjs> snowblink, thats it! thanks :)
[05:06] <tjs> total mind blank there for a sec
[05:06] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: :)
[05:06] <rick__> I'm trying to figure out the steps necessary to support my Airvast Prism3 USB wireless
[05:06] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  in other towns of course, drastically more
[05:06] <poningru> anyone have a noob friendly tutorial on iptables?
[05:06] <poningru> wanna set one up since I just set up java
[05:06] <paulproteus> poningru: I usually just use FIAIF for my firewawll set up.
[05:07] <poningru> just using a single laptop
[05:07] <poningru> fiaf?
[05:07] <paulproteus> fiaif.net is the web page for it.
[05:07] <poningru> thnx will look into it
[05:08] <paulproteus> Okay. :)
[05:08] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: ok then what about a city with population 600 000 ?
[05:08] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: (and we have broadband here ;) )
[05:09] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  lol
[05:09] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  sadly, i'm not the one to ask about numbers, and i don't really know how large a certain population number is
[05:09] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: (but... we pay for this much more than you do in usa :( )
[05:10] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: just an example
[05:11] <eyequeue> very broad range though, over 20k, under 50k
[05:11] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: from.... to..... or something
[05:11] <snowblink> poningru: firestarter
[05:11] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: ok - let's say 25 000/year...
[05:12] <eyequeue> much would depend on previous experience, and how badly the company is in need (and how much you're responsible for, including undoing the disaster your predecessor left you)
[05:12] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: hmmmmm not much really....
[05:12] <poningru> snowblink: isnt that the gui based firewall?
[05:12] <snowblink> poningru: yup
[05:12] <poningru> I am really trying to get away from gui's and into cli's
[05:12] <farruinn> poningru: no, it's a gui configurator for iptables
[05:13] <snowblink> poningru: fair nuf
[05:13] <randabis> use shorewall then
[05:13] <mebaran151> I need to learn some better programming skills
[05:13] <poningru> see I want to learn this stuff while using it
[05:13] <Xenguy> poningru: yeah, shorewall is nice
[05:13] <Xenguy> poningru: good documentation also
[05:13] <eyequeue> poningru:  you're already aware of netfilter,org, right?
[05:13] <poningru> no
[05:14] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: but it's still about 2x than in my country...
[05:14] <eyequeue> poningru:  they're where iptables comes from, heh
[05:14] <poningru> oh hehe
[05:14] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: and you said to 50k which is 4x more
[05:15] <paulproteus> mebaran151: If you're learning programming, I strongly suggest starting with Python.
[05:15] <mebaran151> heheh
[05:15] <paulproteus> (And then learning other languages, but always using Python when you can.)
[05:15] <mebaran151> I might
[05:15] <poningru> that helps a lot
[05:15] <mebaran151> python is a language my friend swears by
[05:15] <farruinn> there's a good book called "thinking like a computer scientist" that teaches python
[05:15] <randabis> ruby is good too
[05:15] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  right .. also, 1k in that town may pay rent for half a year or more, but only pay for half a month or less in ny city, as one example
[05:16] <mebaran151> I knew Lisp for awhile
[05:16] <mebaran151> but I never could find a reason to use it
[05:16] <mebaran151> it was a tad cumbersome
[05:16] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: well about prices - we have strange differences
[05:16] <mebaran151> python I heard is phenomenal
[05:16] <mebaran151> like ruby
[05:16] <mebaran151> but python has larger support it seems
[05:16] <eyequeue> marcin_ant:  and that's all in the same country, numbers are just so relative
[05:16] <snowblink> mebaran151: emacs, and functional helps you think in different ways
[05:16] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: rent is much much cheaper than in your country (I think)
[05:17] <marcin_ant> eyequeue: while we pay more for things like broadband, phones, gas etc.
[05:17] <snowblink> mebaran151: ruby feels nice when you're coding it
[05:18] <eyequeue> paulproteus:  i'm not disagreeing, just looking for one reason, heh.  why python to start with?
[05:19] <farruinn> my two cents: it's object oriented and has very clean syntax
[05:19] <duckdown> paulproteus: now that its done, i just dpkg -i the .deb in /usr/src ? nothing else to initrd?
[05:19] <marcin_ant> paulproteus: what tools could you suggest for python? (editor, ide  etc ? )
[05:19] <steveO_laptop> ok how to I get into root? Did I miss something didnt ask me to make the pass word
[05:19] <farruinn> steveO_laptop: you did miss something.  use sudo [command]  or sudo -s for a shell
[05:19] <eyequeue> i hear ubuntu devs tend to be rather python-centric as a group
[05:20] <eyequeue> steveO_laptop:  welcome back :)  you didn't miss it, ubuntu doesn't enable root by default :)
[05:20] <steveO_laptop> k what about config. mouse? mine is not working
[05:20] <jdub> steveO_laptop: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[05:20] <steveO_laptop> ok
[05:20] <eyequeue> steveO_laptop: basically it's advisible to avoid enabling root, using sudo instead.  the url you were given can be used if you choose though
[05:21] <jdub> the url explains it too, dude
[05:21] <farruinn> heheh, jdub said dude, heheh
[05:21] <eyequeue> steveO_laptop:  your primary non-root user can do "sudo command-to-run-as-root" though, which is the "ubuntu style" typically
[05:21] <mebaran151> what IDE's are recommendable for python
[05:21] <mebaran151> if you were just going to begin your python journey
[05:22] <mebaran151> into the great python wilderness
[05:22] <farruinn> mebaran151: vim ;)
[05:22] <mebaran151> what wyoud you start with (that happens to be free)
[05:22] <mebaran151> farruinn, I am scared of vim
[05:22] <mebaran151> seriously
[05:22] <mebaran151> that thing doesnt make sense
[05:22] <Lisztman> eyeqeue: hey, speaking of sudo.... im having trouble moving files from my home file to another in my usr/src folder
[05:22] <crimsun> mebaran151: ipython
[05:22] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151: it makes lots of sense
[05:22] <mebaran151> I am not geeky enough for it
[05:22] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  emacs? (j/k)
[05:22] <Pluk> mebaran151, try nano
[05:22] <mebaran151> emacs is ok
[05:22] <Lisztman> im now sure if you could help though
[05:22] <mebaran151> I tried it
[05:22] <Lisztman> not*
[05:22] <crimsun> mebaran151: I'm fairly certain Eclipse has python plugins, too
[05:22] <farruinn> mebaran151: vimtutor is helpful
[05:23] <mebaran151> HrdwrBoB, vim is scary for a newbie
[05:23] <mebaran151> you have to admit
[05:23] <mebaran151> I use nano
[05:23] <Pluk> ah k :)
[05:23] <mebaran151> I woudl like syntax highlighting like I get for HTML
[05:23] <MobyTurbo> mebaran151, emacs has python support
[05:23] <mebaran151> I never liked emacs
[05:23] <mebaran151> I dont know why
[05:23] <farruinn> Lisztman: what exactly is your problem?
[05:23] <mebaran151> anything like kdevelop
[05:23] <mebaran151> you know
[05:23] <MobyTurbo> mebaran151, IDLE is an IDE for python
[05:23] <mebaran151> cool
[05:23] <Lisztman> i am trying to install drivers for my audigy ls sound card, and i am very new to linux
[05:23] <mebaran151> let me dll it
[05:24] <mebaran151> Lisztman, youd ont need too normally
[05:24] <mebaran151> they come std
[05:24] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  5-30 minutes with vimtutor at some point over the next month, and you'll be amazed how fast that fear goes, for future reference.  for now, use nano since you are comfortable there
[05:24] <mebaran151> nano just seems basic though
[05:24] <Lisztman> i have the alsa files
[05:24] <MobyTurbo> mebaran151, I've seen "drpython" too, if it's anything like drscheme it's probably excellent
[05:25] <Lisztman> but the website suggests that i move those to a usr/src/alsa folder
[05:25] <poningru> how can a complex firewall be stateless? unless I am just not understanding stateless and stateful
[05:25] <crimsun> mebaran151: he will need to install them if he's using Warty, since the version of ALSA there doesn't support the Audigy LS.
[05:26] <poningru> stateless is just drop all packages or accept all packages right?
[05:26] <Lisztman> yeah
[05:26] <crimsun> Lisztman: /j #alsa, I'll walk you through it.
[05:26] <Lisztman> ?
[05:26] <crimsun> /join #alsa
[05:26] <Lisztman> <_<    >_>   ... ok
[05:26] <poningru> anyone?
[05:27] <steveO_laptop> ubuntu not liking my KV switch lol
[05:28] <delltony_> anyone have issues with xchat and the ports on the router? more specific i added 2000-2009 to the router and i did a nmap on it and the ports are open but xchat will not allow me to dcc
[05:28] <mebaran151> I just tried vimtutor
[05:28] <mebaran151> I can see why it is good for editing stuff
[05:28] <mebaran151> you can quickly go in and out of being able to write and not
[05:28] <mebaran151> very sexy
[05:29] <mebaran151> but what I dont get
[05:29] <mebaran151> I wish they could have used
[05:29] <mebaran151> wasd for the  moving around
[05:29] <mebaran151> it makes so much sense
[05:29] <mebaran151> and I am very keen with it
[05:29] <HrdwrBoB> mebaran151: wasd wasn't a meme when vi was written
[05:29] <HrdwrBoB> in the dark ages
[05:31] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:31] <mebaran151> I know
[05:31] <mebaran151> vi is so old
[05:31] <mebaran151> but it would be nice to be able to set that
[05:32] <mebaran151> I would be so quick with it
[05:32] <mebaran151> VI is very cool now that I actually can use it
[05:32] <mebaran151> I can see how they did it
[05:32] <mebaran151> before such things as mice
[05:32] <mebaran151> so that you could do some quick scrolling
[05:32] <farruinn> you just need practice with jklh
[05:32] <mebaran151> add something quick
[05:32] <mebaran151> and be careful
[05:33] <shad0w1e> why the hell wont my goddamn ati drivers work ???
[05:33] <shad0w1e> GODDAMMMIT
[05:33] <crimsun> err, language, please.
[05:33] <poningru> vesa
[05:33] <shad0w1e> how do i look at my log file?
[05:33] <poningru> is your friend
[05:33] <shad0w1e> where is it
[05:33] <shad0w1e> the X log file
[05:34] <crimsun> warty or hoary?
[05:34] <shad0w1e> warty
[05:34] <crimsun> /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[05:34] <shad0w1e> thanks!
[05:34] <felipe> When I ask a cd, which release comes?
[05:34] <mebaran151> vesa
[05:34] <mebaran151> oh how I love you
[05:34] <mebaran151> for you allow me to use my shiny toys
[05:35] <mebaran151> in the most basic of ways
[05:35] <mebaran151> but at least they do work such
[05:35] <mebaran151> and without time that pays
[05:35] <gedeon> what's xfree86
[05:35] <mebaran151> ---^ a little poem in honor Vesa
[05:35] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  i don't know how myself, but i'll bet :map can be used to redefine your cursor movement keys
[05:36] <Amaranth> http://osnews.com/img/linspire7large.jpg <--there is no way this isn't windows
[05:36] <mebaran151> xfree86 puts pretty pictures on your screen
[05:36] <mebaran151> eyequeue
[05:36] <mebaran151> I will make that my first project
[05:36] <mebaran151> write a small python script that changes the defaults of vim
[05:36] <mebaran151> to make it use wasd
[05:36] <randabis-laptop> felipe, Warty will come currently...orders haven't opened for hoary yet I don't think
[05:36] <mebaran151> probably cant be THAT hard
[05:36] <mebaran151> (watch me fail)
[05:37] <felipe> randabis-laptop thats sad
[05:37] <farruinn> felipe: orders placed after the end of february will be hoary
[05:37] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  ~/.vimrc or /etc/vim/vimrc for your changes :)
[05:37] <randabis-laptop> felipe, why is it sad?
[05:37] <farruinn> says so right on www.ubuntulinux.org
[05:37] <felipe> which one is "unstable"
[05:38] <randabis-laptop> hoary...until april
[05:38] <eyequeue> felipe:  though not exactly that, you'd be looking for "hoary" it's the development version
[05:38] <farruinn> felipe: you won't be shipped a devel release
[05:38] <felipe> I c
[05:39] <felipe> then I probably will get warty
[05:40] <randabis-laptop> I'm going to wait until the end of february and order my hoary cds :p
[05:40] <eyequeue> randabis:  ditto
[05:41] <eyequeue> randabis:  i want at least one "pretty" set to pull out in front of others, not an obviously self-burned set
[05:41] <shad0w1e> what does DRI initialization failed! mean...
[05:41] <randabis-laptop> yeah
[05:42] <eyequeue> shad0w1e:  i believe it's part of X, in some manner, if that helps
[05:43] <mebaran151> I have to thank whoever sent me to vimtutor
[05:43] <mebaran151> it actually made the blasted thing make sense
[05:43] <eyequeue> shad0w1e:  direct rendering i-something (infrastructure?) and that's the limit of my knowledge
[05:43] <farruinn> shad0w1e: maybe comment that module out in your x config file
[05:43] <mebaran151> I always thought all the UNIX admins I knew where just nutty
[05:43] <mebaran151> were
[05:43] <mebaran151> sorry
[05:43] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  heh, cool, glad the fear is gone :)
[05:43] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:43] <mebaran151> no more tears
[05:44] <shad0w1e> well actually I'm using the ubuntu configuration file
[05:44] <shad0w1e> not the fglrx one
[05:44] <mebaran151> or maybe I am just a tad crazier
[05:44] <felipe> Someone said hoary is like sarge from debian, which is my actual distro
[05:44] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  btw, though you won't always find the full vim, you'll almost always find some "vi" on most unices, so it's handly to have the basics down
[05:44] <mebaran151> yeah
[05:45] <neighborlee> hey peeps is the livecd installer working ?
[05:45] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  vim (which i use all the time, don't get me wrong) is bloat-city compared to the minimal vi you'll find installed almost everywhere
[05:45] <neighborlee> asking cause i'm going to refer a non-saavy linux friend to install ubuntu but i'm not sure he's up to the regular installer LOL..( windows convert hahah)
[05:45] <mebaran151> haha
[05:45] <eyequeue> neighborlee:  the livecd doesn't have an installer, you have to use the "other" cd image to install from
[05:45] <mebaran151> and I thought vim was a tad poor
[05:46] <mebaran151> but I dont think it is really for me
[05:46] <neighborlee> eyequeue, yup just wondering....
[05:46] <mebaran151> I get it now
[05:46] <neighborlee> eyequeue, any idea of time frame for livecd installer ?
[05:46] <viper12> neighbor....I used the array4 hoary live (latest, I believe)......and it worked perfectly on a compaq x1000 laptop, so yea, its working.
[05:46] <mebaran151> but I dont think it is my cup of tea
[05:46] <mebaran151> it certainly is better than nano
[05:46] <viper12> but the installer........oh duh........no install yet.
[05:46] <|QuaD|> lets see how slow it is :)
[05:47] <eyequeue> neighborlee:  there's really a simple explanation, though it's a common request.  there's only so much space on a cd, and the livecd is so full of unpacked handy utilities there's no room on it for things like .deb archives of everything
[05:47] <mebaran151> hey anybody here know some integral calculus
[05:47] <mebaran151> not really an ubuntu question
[05:47] <mebaran151> but you never know
[05:48] <eyequeue> neighborlee:  i'd say you can easily accomplish a basic ubuntu installation, even your first time, in well-under an hour
[05:48] <neighborlee> eyequeue, i'm fully aware of this but if other distros can do this I can't accept that we can't ;-))
[05:48] <|QuaD|> mebaran151: i have taken it
[05:48] <mebaran151> hehe
[05:48] <viper12> I read that a live 'installer' is in the works.
[05:48] <mebaran151> simple question
[05:48] <SiRrUs> good evening people
[05:48] <mebaran151> I need to do the improper integral
[05:49] <neighborlee> eyequeue, well if he has an 'extra' HD for linux then it should be a piece of cake yes..if not shrug I fear to recommend it to him...( he wont be happy about command line)...you know the drill
[05:49] <mebaran151> of x^-1.001 from 1 to infintie
[05:49] <eyequeue> neighborlee:  nod
[05:49] <mebaran151> I know that I can easily just antiderive it
[05:49] <mebaran151> to integrate it
[05:49] <farruinn> mebaran151: sounds like a question for #ubuntuforums, that's very ot here
[05:49] <mebaran151> but
[05:49] <viper12> methinks mebaran needs to ease off the caffeine.  ;)
[05:49] <mebaran151> haha
[05:49] <mebaran151> no
[05:50] <mebaran151> just getting some stuff done
[05:50] <neighborlee> eyequeue, I may risk walking him through it and see...I mean we need another convert what da heck <G>
[05:50] <eyequeue> neighborlee:  always, heh
[05:50] <eyequeue> neighborlee:  is he remote from you, or local?
[05:50] <viper12> neighbor........if it (hoary) can install to a laptop with integrated wifi and such..........it oughta be a snap.  (just check the sound card brand and netcard first. )
[05:51] <neighborlee> eyequeue, remote....
[05:51] <Dreamer3> anyone want to burn me a hoary cd and mail? :)
[05:51] <eyequeue> Dreamer3:  you're aware it would be outdated before it reached you?
[05:51] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: *laughs*
[05:51] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: it'd be outdated before i could download it on dial-up :)
[05:52] <viper12> hell......YOU"D be outdated before it finishes on dialup.  lmao
[05:52] <eyequeue> can i play linux-oldtimer for a sec? :)
[05:53] <eyequeue> i do remember d/ling all of the floppy sets, each letter, for slackware, so i'd have the whole thing, and this was over 1200 baud dialup
[05:53] <Dreamer3> viper12: i downloaded warty on dialup :) only 50 or so horus
[05:54] <Dreamer3> viper12: very pleased with how it's gone :)
[05:54] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: lol
[05:54] <viper12> only 50 hours.  yuck....but hey, 50 is bettern' never, right?
[05:54] <eyequeue> so i'm always a bit amused at the impatience, but i also know i don't have the patience myself either, being spoiled with adsl now
[05:54] <farruinn> I found that when I was at home on dialup I used the computer less
[05:54] <Dreamer3> viper12: yes, definatley
[05:55] <eyequeue> it did take over 24 hours to bittorent a linux cd recently though, kanotix, iirc
[05:55] <eyequeue> so adsl isn't always much help
[05:55] <viper12> ouch.  my bit grab of the hoary release took about 15 minutes. :)
[05:55] <felipe> cu later folks
[05:55] <eyequeue> it's a nice distro, but i'm definitely more pleased with ubuntu as my final choice
[05:56] <mebaran151> in vim, is there anything faster than escape to exit a mode
[05:56] <mebaran151> I seem to find it not very fast to have to go all the way up esc
[05:57] <mebaran151> nothing like :x or something
[05:57] <eyequeue> i was told it was the "only" livecd that would support my wireless though, and ironically, i find ubuntu handled it painlessly :)
[05:58] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  i think esc is the primary mohttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/paidsupportde change method, i don't know of any other, but definitely do tell me if you find one
[05:58] <eyequeue> wtf?
[05:58] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  i think esc is the primary mode change method, i don't know of any other, but definitely do tell me if you find one
[05:58] <mebaran151> hehe
[05:58] <mebaran151> I will look
[05:58] <mebaran151> also
[05:58] <mebaran151> anyone here know about a livecd that uses like XFCE
[05:58] <mebaran151> and can easily be installed
[05:59] <eyequeue> i think i want to blame gpm for that, but i'm in x, so i don't know
[05:59] <mebaran151> I have a whole bunch of friends on less than stellar boxes
[05:59] <mebaran151> and they would like to try linux
[05:59] <mebaran151> I gave them ubuntu
[05:59] <mebaran151> but it was a tad heavy
[05:59] <mebaran151> anything based on debian
[05:59] <mebaran151> easy to install off the livecd
[05:59] <mebaran151> that sort of thing
[06:00] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  i think i'm going to end up paying the price for getting one hooked on ubuntu on a box like that
[06:01] <eyequeue> mebaran151:  i even installed to disk after she'd seen the livecd and consented, and now i think i'm going to have to pay for old/rare ram :/
[06:02] <Underlord> how can i gain access to /bin/su? it allways has an auth failure when i try to become root but sudo works fine, this also applies to attemoting to login as root from one of the terminal screens (ie, by pressing ctrl+alt+f1)
[06:02] <calamari> next step is to figure out how pam works
[06:02] <eyequeue> Underlord:  have you set a password for root? there is not one by default
[06:02] <calamari> underlord: sudo su, or sudo -s (as you noticed :)
[06:03] <Underlord> i have a password for root, this is installed, not live
[06:03] <Underlord> oh wow
[06:03] <Underlord> ok, forget that, running passwd through sudo fixed it
[06:04] <eyequeue> Underlord:  su seems to work appropriately here, on warty
[06:04] <Underlord> i thought the installer asked me for a root password :\
[06:04] <Underlord> thanks
[06:04] <eyequeue> Underlord:  no, that's a feature of ubuntu, the lack of root account being enabled with a password
[06:05] <eyequeue> has anyone played much with casper?
[06:05] <delltony_> anyone besides me have issues sending files with xchat?
[06:06] <Underlord> why would you want no root account?
[06:06] <eyequeue> Underlord:  a security thing
[06:06] <SiRrUs> delltony_ it could be thre are no open ports
[06:06] <Underlord> ooh
[06:06] <eyequeue> Underlord:  is there much you need to do as root you can't accomplish with sudo?
[06:06] <Dreamer3> Underlord: takes some getting used it :)
[06:06] <randabis> because sudo > su
[06:06] <delltony_> well thats my thinking but i added forwarding for 2000 to 20009
[06:07] <Dreamer3> old habits die hard
[06:07] <farruinn> Underlord: read www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:07] <eyequeue> Dreamer3:  i think i'd sudo -s, less keystrokes :)
[06:07] <delltony_> but for some reason i still can't dcc it never acks
[06:07] <Underlord> well kdesu and gksu seem to use su instead of sudo
[06:08] <Underlord> so it was getting on my nerves opening terminals to launch things
[06:08] <randabis> gksu can also do gksudo
[06:08] <farruinn> Underlord: alt-F2 will allow you to skip opening a terminal
[06:08] <eyequeue> Underlord:  yep, want the fix for that?  change all occurances of gksu in launchers and the like to read gksudo :)
[06:09] <Underlord> well, no thanks, im more of a kde guy myself
[06:09] <randabis> blah
[06:09] <Underlord> having a root account works just fine
[06:09] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: ah
[06:09] <eyequeue> Underlord:  and a plus for that is, if you've been asked your user password in the past five minutes (by default) by gksudo, you aren't pestered again :)
[06:09] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: didn't know that :)
[06:09] <randabis> yeah sudo has a timeout period
[06:10] <randabis> I believe it is adjustable
[06:10] <randabis> I use sudo in gentoo as well :)
[06:10] <eyequeue> Dreamer3:  yeah, i'm big on poking at things, and i really did want to try to comply with "ubuntu methods" for at least long enough to give them a fair try
[06:10] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: *nods*
[06:10] <Dreamer3> eyequeue: that's why i haven't prelinked yet, and thinking i might not get around to ti
[06:11] <Underlord> or i could just play pretend windows and have no password for sudo at all
[06:11] <randabis> watching openoffice.org compile is insane
[06:11] <|QuaD|> randabis: 1.1 or 2?
[06:11] <randabis> Underlord: I don't recommend that :/
[06:11] <randabis> 1.1.4
[06:11] <Underlord> i have a habbit of making good distro's turn bad over time doing things like that
[06:11] <randabis> I don't think 1.9x is in portage yet
[06:11] <|QuaD|> randabis: i just like the 2.0 intro picture thingy
[06:11] <Dreamer3> regeya: i heard it's not officilaly recommended
[06:11] <regeya> oh jesus
[06:12] <eyequeue> randabis:  adjustable yes, and it's timestamp_timeout in sudoers(5) rather than passwd_timeout, which means something else, beware, heh
[06:12] <SiRrUs> hey regeya is back
[06:12] <randabis> yeah
[06:12] <regeya> if I read one more "not officially recommended" I'm installing FreeBSD. ;-)
[06:12] <randabis> haha
[06:12] <regeya> howdy SiRrUs
[06:12] <farruinn> it's not officially recommended by the Ubuntu team to install FreeBSD - Ubuntu rocks
[06:12] <eyequeue> regeya:  *bsd is not officially recommended, lol
[06:13] <regeya> hee
[06:13] <randabis> FreeBSD is solid
[06:13] <farruinn> regeya: whatcha gonna do now, huh?!
[06:13] <eyequeue> farruinn:  ^5
[06:13] <SiRrUs> missed all of your complaining ;)
[06:13] <randabis> and ports is a great system
[06:13] <regeya> I'm gonna wave my working prelinked system around, so nyeah
[06:13] <randabis> I prelink and use LDFLAGS :p
[06:14] <eyequeue> i do support freebsd at times too, but definitely prefer ubuntu for most things these days (and prefer the gpl to the bsd license, but see a place for each)
[06:14] <regeya> there's one thing I miss about gentoo; very little falls under the "officially supported" category so it's a lot harder to cheese off a dev. ;-)
[06:15] <eyequeue> oh, here's one area i definitely don't follow the "ubuntu way" when it comes to not enabling a root password
[06:15] <regeya> OTOH, my system was 99.9% the way I wanted it when I installed ubuntu, so I really can't complain.
[06:15] <randabis> regeya: haha I use ~x86 though :p
[06:15] <regeya> other than upgrading several things...meh.
[06:15] <eyequeue> i've installed sashroot user 0, with /bin/sash as shell
[06:16] <randabis> haha
[06:16] <eyequeue> i definitely feel more secure having a statically linked shell, having been burnt once in debian days when bash was hosed in unstable
[06:16] <HrdwrBoB> eyequeue: sash is handy
[06:16] <randabis> I was thinking about checking out zsh again
[06:17] <randabis> haven't used it in forever
[06:17] <eyequeue> HrdwrBoB:  and *if* you need it, it's lifesaving
[06:17] <farruinn> is sash a bourne like shell?
[06:17] <regeya> darn you randabis for continually mentioning gentoo.  my wanking around with window maker the last couple of days has had me thinking "why did I stop using gentoo, again?"  then again, right now it's all working fine.  I'll have to give it a think...
[06:18] <eyequeue> i don't even know if this box has zsh [d] ash and tcsh on it yet, but ir definitely has sash heh
[06:18] <delltony> dang can't get xchat to open my ports for jack :( oh well
[06:18] <eyequeue> sash (1)             - stand-alone shell with built-in commands
[06:18] <HrdwrBoB> farruinn: yeah but it's statically linked with builtin ls, cp, mv, etc
[06:18] <farruinn> eyequeue: cool (I'm not at an ubuntu box atm)
[06:18] <eyequeue> farruinn:  yes, a bourne shell, less-featureful than bash, but static is it's claim to fame
[06:18] <eyequeue> it might be a bit lighter too
[06:19] <eyequeue> farruinn:  basically it's great when your box is hosed, the linker is unlinked, whatever, heh
[06:19] <elmaya> mmm where do i enable autonint for the fonts??
[06:21] <eyequeue> HrdwrBoB:  have any other personal favorite "disaster" utils?
[06:21] <HrdwrBoB> eyequeue: a good rescue CD :)
[06:21] <eyequeue> lol, yeah
[06:22] <HrdwrBoB> ubcd.sf.net
[06:22] <Dreamer3> no, where are all the volunteers to send me that latest hot of the iron hoary CD? :)
[06:22] <randabis> regeya: sorry about that :/ I'm just really happy with it again :(
[06:22] <HrdwrBoB> also, backups :)
[06:22] <randabis> Things just are much smoother overall...and faster
[06:23] <eyequeue> what i want is a bit impractical this year
[06:23] <Dreamer3> randabis: wither what?
[06:23] <randabis> ?
[06:23] <subterrific> fabbione: quick question about 2.6.11 if you're around?
[06:23] <eyequeue> this laptop hs the ability to boot from dvd, so now i expect all machines to, lol
[06:23] <fabbione> subterrific: in few minutes. i am busy right now
[06:23] <eyequeue> but i want a nice has-everything rescue dvd
[06:24] <subterrific> fabbione: ok, i'll msg you and just whenever you get a chance. no hurry
[06:24] <eyequeue> wait a few years until boot-from-dvd is as common as boot-from-cd has become, and it will be practical
[06:25] <randabis> Dreamer3: ?
[06:25] <Dreamer3> randabis: what makes everything smoother?
[06:25] <randabis> I don't know...it just works better
[06:25] <duckdown> The NVIDIA installer thing is giving me this error: If you are using a 2.6 kernel, please make sure you have configured kernel sources matching your kernel installed on your system.. etc
[06:26] <mebaran151> duckdown, why dont you just use the premade modules
[06:26] <mebaran151> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules
[06:26] <randabis> duckdown is using a custom kernel iirc
[06:26] <duckdown> yeah
[06:26] <duckdown> i got it to boot now
[06:27] <randabis> you'll need to point the nvidia installer to your kernel source tree
[06:27] <duckdown> i just can't get startx to work, saying (EE) Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!
[06:27] <neighborlee> duckdown, the old nvidia way doesn't work..yeah just use synaptic to install it and then there is a command you can issue to enable it...( ubuntuguide.org: search for nvidia)
[06:27] <eyequeue> !!: and sshfs which allows you to mount a filesystem over ssh
[06:27] <randabis> neighborlee: I don't believe the ubuntu way works with a custom kernel
[06:27] <duckdown> I've installed nvidia-glx
[06:27] <eyequeue> i want that! :)
[06:28] <neighborlee> randabis, doesn't work with even standard one...I know I tried..they dont supply the right version kernel
[06:28] <randabis> not true
[06:28] <neighborlee> I know I tried my friend
[06:28] <eyequeue> is there any sshfs in ubuntu (other than sftp:// in nautilus)?
[06:28] <neighborlee> I downloaded linux-kernel from synaptic and had trouble compiling nvidia from source
[06:29] <randabis> the ubuntu way of installing the nvidia driver will work just fine with a standard ubuntu kernel
[06:29] <randabis> neighborlee: you need to use linux-headers
[06:29] <randabis> that's probably why it didn't work
[06:29] <elmaya> mmm where do i enable autonint for the fonts??
[06:29] <randabis> you'd apt-get install linux-headers for your running ubuntu kernel, then point the nvidia installer to them
[06:29] <neighborlee> randabis, can't check right now as im not in linux but i will when I get back..you may be right
[06:30] <randabis> I know I'm right. :) I've done it before
[06:30] <neighborlee> lol
[06:30] <randabis> And helped others do it as well
[06:30] <neighborlee> so much for gracefullly bowing out of a mistake <G>
[06:30] <neighborlee> gee thx
[06:30] <neighborlee> lol
[06:30] <randabis> mostly warty people...hoary people can just do nvidia-glx because it is the latest version
[06:31] <neighborlee> I did nvidia-glx in warty
[06:31] <MacPlusG3> How on earth do I get the Hoary installer to a) create software raid volumes and b) use my existing software raid volume ?
[06:31] <duckdown> man
[06:32] <duckdown> i did it exactly via the ubuntuguide.org
[06:32] <duckdown> it did nothing. it still says Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!
[06:32] <randabis> duckdown: that way won't work with a custom kernel
[06:32] <duckdown> randabis: well i've tried appending --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10 to the NVIDIA installer also
[06:32] <randabis> neighborlee: yeah, you can do nvidia-glx in warty, but it is not the latest version of the driver
[06:32] <neighborlee> duckdown, yes sorry I didn't know you had custom kernel...I presume you do because you have hardware needs ???
[06:33] <neighborlee> randabis, yeah
[06:33] <eyequeue> anyone here played with the new features of gnupg 1.3.93 or 1.4.0 yet?
[06:33] <randabis> duckdown: try installing linux-headers for 2.6.10
[06:33] <randabis> and pointing nvidia installer to those
[06:33] <duckdown> neighborlee: I don't have hardware needs, its just wise to recompile without the extra stuff you don't need, no?
[06:33] <duckdown> i have linux headers 2.6.10
[06:33] <subterrific> rebooting after 96 days...
[06:33] <neighborlee> duckdown, I dont bother
[06:33] <neighborlee> duckdown, my computer is fast enough not to bother
[06:34] <duckdown> neighborlee: that is true mind you, the 'nvidia' driver worked fine with the stock kernel just by running the installer
[06:34] <randabis> point nvidia to linux-headers-2.6.10 and it might work
[06:34] <neighborlee> duckdown, although I appreciate why your doing it yes
[06:34] <mebaran151> neighborlee, but think of the children
[06:34] <neighborlee> heh
[06:34] <duckdown> neighborlee: mines blazing fast too
[06:34] <duckdown> neighborlee: amd64 3500+ s939, 1 gig ocz platinum ram, 6800GT 256 vid card
[06:34] <neighborlee> mmmmmmman
[06:34] <Amaranth> jdub: the latest lugradio makes fun of your name again :)
[06:35] <HrdwrBoB> duckdown: I assure you it is amost entirely pointless
[06:35] <jdub> yeah, so i heard..
[06:35] <neighborlee> duckdown,show off LOL
[06:35] <HrdwrBoB> to recompile your own kernel
[06:35] <neighborlee> duckdown, love your card btw..my poor ole geforce4TI4200 is getting OLD now ..haha
[06:35] <Amaranth> jdub: blame the guy that wrote the email about you :)
[06:35] <duckdown> HrdwrBoB: to recompile?
[06:36] <duckdown> neighborlee: thanks.. i paid enough for it though
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> duckdown: yes
[06:36] <neighborlee> duckdown, I can imagine ;-))
[06:36] <neighborlee> duckdown, totally sweet system
[06:36] <duckdown> yeah.. runs a little warm though
[06:36] <duckdown> all the high end stuff in there
[06:36] <neighborlee> exactcly
[06:36] <neighborlee> tly
[06:37] <duckdown> i strapped a 3" vantec tornado fan on my hyper6 copper heatsink
[06:37] <duckdown> its deafening
[06:37] <randabis> yeah ubuntu kernels are already pretty well optimized so I'd have to agree that rolling your own kernel isn't going to do you much good
[06:37] <neighborlee> duckdown, lol
[06:37] <Amaranth> wow
[06:37] <HrdwrBoB> duckdown: if you use the cool n quiet stuff it shouldbe fine
[06:37] <Amaranth> i have an underclocked duron CPU that runs with a small fan and the heatsink with no issues
[06:37] <mlambie> what does everyone use to burn MP3s to audio CDs under Ubuntu?
[06:37] <duckdown> HrdwrBoB: yeah, it only gets warm while playing like doom3 on 1600x1200
[06:38] <duckdown> around 50 degrees
[06:38] <Amaranth> i'd rather have it be quiet then be fast
[06:38] <Amaranth> mlambie: k3b
[06:38] <randabis> I have a 90mm vantec tornado on my cpu heatsink as well
[06:38] <neighborlee> duckdown, heh..doom3 at that rez???
[06:38] <neighborlee> duckdown, wwwwwwoah
[06:38] <duckdown> neighborlee: yeah, for sure
[06:38] <duckdown> far cry is wicked on pure ultra.. especially water ultra+
[06:38] <mebaran151> anyone know how to make the fonts in xmms less ragged
[06:38] <neighborlee> yeah I admit that game has amazing effects
[06:38] <neighborlee> duckdown, shame its not native to linux ;(
[06:38] <mebaran151> they were great on an old install where ALSA failed to work
[06:38] <duckdown> randabis: hard to cope with the noise though
[06:38] <mebaran151> but not
[06:38] <mebaran151> now
[06:38] <duckdown> neighborlee: yeah :[
[06:39] <Amaranth> doom3 at 1600x1200 with antialiasing and all those fancy things on?
[06:39] <neighborlee> duckdown, AA is very decent though ;-))
[06:39] <neighborlee> duckdown, &/or ET
[06:39] <duckdown> Amaranth: yeah, AA x2 though not x4
[06:39] <Amaranth> doesn't it go to 8x?
[06:39] <duckdown> yeah maybe
[06:39] <duckdown> i have no idea.. i use 2x
[06:39] <randabis> duckdown: my computer stays on so long I don't really notice it much...but when I leave and return I definitely get somewhat annoyed
[06:40] <duckdown> randabis: yeah, my mom gets aggrevated if i leave the door to the room the comp is in open :] 
[06:40] <Amaranth> i was told that the doom3 engine couldn't be run at full power on any existing computer equipment
[06:40] <randabis> hah
[06:40] <duckdown> its not on full power Amaranth
[06:40] <duckdown> Amaranth: its on HIGH, not ULTRA
[06:40] <Amaranth> yeah, i know
[06:40] <duckdown> because ultra needs like double SLI
[06:40] <Amaranth> probably more then that
[06:40] <HrdwrBoB> ultra is silly anyway
[06:40] <randabis> Amaranth: that's true..you'd need a 512MB card at minimum
[06:40] <duckdown> yeah.. ultra is overkill
[06:40] <HrdwrBoB> there's no actual quality improvement
[06:40] <HrdwrBoB> but this is all offtopic
[06:40] <Amaranth> only because of the levels used
[06:40] <duckdown> farcry on ultra is fine though
[06:41] <Amaranth> quake 4 will probably take advantage of ultra
[06:41] <HrdwrBoB> move it to another channel or pm if you could
[06:41] <duckdown> quake 4??
[06:41] <HrdwrBoB> Amaranth: no, ultra is just the same thing uncompressed
[06:41] <neighborlee> duckdown, dont have doom3 but I find ut2k4 amazing
[06:41] <tweek> ive been reading the guides for getting flashplayer,and i try sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[06:41] <duckdown> neighborlee: OOH
[06:41] <neighborlee> duckdown, there are TONS of kewl mods for it
[06:41] <tweek> and it says packedge not found
[06:41] <duckdown> i absolutely LOVE ut2k4.. most underrated game EVER
[06:41] <duckdown> i bought it the day it came out
[06:41] <neighborlee> yup agreeed
[06:41] <neighborlee> duckdown, ;-))
[06:41] <Amaranth> tweek: Do you have all the repositories enabled?
[06:41] <tweek> yes
[06:41] <Agrajag> tweek: Is that supposed to be in universe or multiverse?
[06:42] <tweek> uhhh
[06:42] <neighborlee> duckdown, I can't get some mods working with it any lucker ( since udate)...shame but....
[06:42] <duckdown> neighborlee: i havent even fooled with the mods
[06:42] <Agrajag> because I'm pretty sure it's nonfree, and would be in multiverse. Do you have multiverse?
[06:42] <neighborlee> duckdown, one I miss playing is t roopers and hamsterbash ;(
[06:42] <duckdown> neighborlee: i still have that to look forward to
[06:42] <neighborlee> heh
[06:42] <tweek> i dont think so
[06:42] <neighborlee> setting them up is a bit of a 'pita' but....
[06:42] <duckdown> and even after all this time.. ONS-Torlan still owns
[06:42] <tweek> have all the defaults
[06:42] <neighborlee> duckdown, ons-torlan ?
[06:43] <duckdown> neighborlee: the first level ever.. the one that shipped with the ut2k4demo
[06:43] <duckdown> onslaught-torlan
[06:43] <neighborlee> duckdown, oh ok
[06:43] <Agrajag> tweek: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/view?searchterm=multiverse
[06:44] <duckdown> randabis: Are they working on fixing this NVIDIA problem? I assume the ubuntu people know about what a pain it is??
[06:44] <randabis> duckdown: if you use a custom kernel, that's not the ubuntu team's problem or responsibility to fix
[06:44] <tweek> thanks agrajag
[06:44] <tweek> i hope this works :)
[06:44] <duckdown> then someone should stab the nvidia people
[06:45] <randabis> if you use the standard kernel they ship, you would not be having the problem you are having
[06:45] <duckdown> randabis: do you use the standard kernel?
[06:45] <tweek> and is there  a place to get wine, winehqs seem to not have it available
[06:45] <duckdown> why was i always told recompiling was almost a necessisity?
[06:45] <randabis> did you try the suggestion I made about pointing the nvidia installer to the linux headers?
[06:45] <neighborlee> tweek, latest wine is in synaptic
[06:45] <randabis> duckdown: in ubuntu I do...in gentoo I roll my own kernels
[06:45] <neighborlee> tweek, or if not THEE latest its dain close
[06:45] <duckdown> randabis: yeah, but the --kernel-source-path option is for exactly that isn't it?
[06:46] <Amaranth> neighborlee: Unless it's been updated the WINE Ubuntu had was about 8 months old.
[06:46] <Agrajag> neighborlee: actually, the one in warty is from June
[06:46] <OrangeSlice> doesn't winehq have their own repository for latest builds?
[06:46] <randabis> neighborlee: the latest WINE is NOT in the ubuntu repos
[06:46] <tweek> its not in mine
[06:46] <randabis> the wine in ubuntu is old
[06:46] <neighborlee> not in universe
[06:46] <tweek> its ont even available in mine :(
[06:46] <OrangeSlice> deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[06:46] <Agrajag> tweek: are you SURE you enabled the extra repositories?
[06:47] <neighborlee> OrangeSlice, thx forgot to mention that...
[06:47] <tweek> ya
[06:47] <randabis> duckdown: yes --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10
[06:47] <Agrajag> universe and multiverse?
[06:47] <randabis> something like that
[06:47] <tweek> i have that enabled
[06:47] <Agrajag> Did you do an apt-get update?
[06:47] <tweek> but,
[06:47] <tweek> yes
[06:47] <tweek> "wine" isnt available
[06:47] <tweek> but its libs etc are
[06:47] <duckdown> ack
[06:47] <Agrajag> search in synaptic for wine
[06:47] <duckdown> it got further now, and built the module!
[06:47] <tweek> have
[06:47] <Agrajag> you'll find it
[06:47] <duckdown> but it just echoed on all my TTYS
[06:47] <Agrajag> hm?
[06:47] <tweek> its not there >.<
[06:48] <randabis> duckdown: if it built the module, you'll now how to modprobe nvidia
[06:48] <randabis> how = have
[06:48] <randabis> and add nvidia to /etc/modules
[06:48] <duckdown> im trying to see the error it produced
[06:48] <duckdown> something about nvidia version magic
[06:49] <duckdown> ok heres the output
[06:50] <duckdown> nvidia: version magic '2.6.10-3 SMP gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.10troubleshoot gcc-3.3'
[06:50] <duckdown> 2.6.10troubleshoot is my kernel
[06:50] <randabis> ugh
[06:51] <duckdown> but i pointed NVIDIA-installer to --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-3
[06:51] <jc118278> anyone know of any linux training providers in Australia?
[06:51] <OmniColossus> hello
[06:51] <Lee__> jc118278:  Redhat?
[06:51] <randabis> duckdown: did you get a linux headers for your kernel? like linux-header-2.6.10-3-amd64
[06:51] <randabis> check /usr/src
[06:51] <duckdown> Yes
[06:51] <randabis> you're probably using the wrong headers
[06:52] <randabis> there's probably another linux-headers directory
[06:52] <heliolith> anyone know a command to find the MAC address of your own router from inside your linux machine?  can ethereal do it?  is there a bash script?
[06:52] <tweek> mini flood sorry,Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:52] <tweek> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:52] <tweek> is only available from another source
[06:52] <tweek> see its gone :(
[06:52] <OmniColossus> is there a another channel for Ubuntu on ppc?
[06:53] <randabis> be back in a minute
[06:53] <wm_eddie> heliolith: ifconfig?
[06:55] <wm_eddie> heliolith: Also Computer>System Configuration>Device Manager
[06:55] <tweek> is it not advised to get drivers from ati?
[06:55] <duckdown> OKAY.. after fiddling I have the module built and working as of RIGHT now
[06:55] <DeepSpaceAnt> how do i check what port ESD is running on?
[06:55] <duckdown> i may have pointed them to the wrong headers directory,im not sure, i dont care
[06:55] <duckdown> how can I ensure it stays working
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:56] <da_bon_bon> hoary rocks!
[06:57] <OrangeSlice> hoary broke my install
[06:57] <MacPlusG3> jdub: ping
[06:57] <duckdown> it will once i get this NVIDIA b.s. working
[06:57] <duckdown> this newest release is definitely not ready
[06:57] <da_bon_bon> OrangeSlice: how come ?
[06:58] <da_bon_bon> duckdown: i think you are wrong.
[06:58] <OrangeSlice> I dunno, it was back in november.  hehe
[06:58] <GregoryD> Has anyone successfully used the JPackage repositories with Ubuntu?
[06:58] <bestadvocate> hey dudes
[06:59] <sewagemaster> has anyone tried using x.org packages from ubuntuu on debian unstable?
[06:59] <bestadvocate> say anyone know if there is a way to go back to the previous version of a package before an upgrade, these new Nvidia drivers blow.
[06:59] <OrangeSlice> force version
[06:59] <OrangeSlice> synaptic will do it
[06:59] <da_bon_bon> sewagemaster: best not mix ubuntu hoary and debian
[06:59] <bestadvocate> how so?
[07:00] <duckdown> randabis: The header directory I'm pointing it to is not my current custom kernels headers.. thats the problem.. how do I get the headers out of my current config
[07:00] <eyequeue> bestadvocate:  dpkg -i foo-oldversion.deb
[07:00] <randabis> duckdown: I don't know...the module is built though and works?
[07:00] <eyequeue> bestadvocate:  if you have the deb, say from the mirror or something
[07:00] <sewagemaster> da_bon_bon, that's what i was thinking...
[07:00] <da_bon_bon> sewagemaster: currently, xorg and xf86 are same, but for the licences
[07:01] <bestadvocate> ok thanks eyequeue, do you think the deb will still be in my repository or will it have been replaced by the new version?
[07:01] <sewagemaster> da_bon_bon: i've heard that x.org isn't quite stable at the moment, is that right?
[07:01] <duckdown> randabis: yes, as of right now, and I'm about to recompile another kernel.. how can I make sure that this module is included with the new kernel im building?
[07:01] <eyequeue> bestadvocate:  ls /var/cache/apt/archives/foo*
[07:01] <randabis> why are you going to compile another kernel?
[07:02] <eyequeue> bestadvocate:  otherwise browse on archive.ubuntu.com
[07:02] <da_bon_bon> sewagemaster: no.
[07:02] <duckdown> this one -2.6.10troubleshoot was an identical config file to the stock config, i just did it to fix my initrd problems.. i havent edited out much of the extra hw stuff i dont need
[07:02] <randabis> you do realize how pointless that is?
[07:02] <eyequeue> bestadvocate:  think that will handle your needs?
[07:02] <duckdown> apparently not
[07:03] <randabis> those hardware things are modules
[07:03] <randabis> they are not going to make any sort of difference
[07:03] <eyequeue> bestadvocate:  i can get you an exact url if you're not up to it yourself
[07:03] <randabis> the only difference will be in disk space usage
[07:03] <duckdown> but with the stock kernel every time I reboot my computer, I have to re-run the NVIDIA-install.sh
[07:03] <duckdown> it doesn't keep the module out
[07:03] <mlambie> what does everyone use to burn MP3s to audio CDs under Ubuntu?
[07:03] <randabis> duckdown: is nvidia in /etc/modules?
[07:04] <eyequeue> mlambie:  i never have so far, but i'd most likely use cdrecord
[07:04] <duckdown> err no
[07:04] <randabis> that's why
[07:04] <DeepSpaceAnt> is there a good GTK frontend to mplayer?
[07:04] <randabis> you have to add it to /etc/modules or the module will not load at bootup
[07:04] <duckdown> cool
[07:04] <mlambie> eyequeue: thanks for the recommendation
[07:04] <eyequeue> mlambie:  np
[07:05] <sewagemaster> you might have to play around with the order of the modules in /etc/modules
[07:05] <eyequeue> mlambie:  it's a commandline app, if that's not to your liking ask a bit more, someone will know a gui
[07:05] <randabis> echo nvidia >> /etc/modules should do it, or add it in with nano
[07:05] <randabis> play it safe and add it with nano
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> updating hoary :)
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> 27.5 mb
[07:06] <da_bon_bon> dnld
[07:06] <duckdown> randabis: thanks for all the help. i'm gonna try something.. brb
[07:06] <randabis> ... duckdown is wasting so much time for no reason at all
[07:06] <delltony> i'm out of ideas and have asked in xchat with no luck so i come here i have set dcc ports on the router 1024 to 65535 and nmap -T5 shows them all when i do it to the router  and then when i go to send a file and do netstat -tlnp i see it waitnig on 1024 for xchat  any ideas how to get the dcc to ack?
[07:06] <eyequeue> mlambie:  i see applications > multimedia > sound juicer, that i might experiement with, if i wanted a gui :)
[07:07] <randabis> the ubuntu kernel is already plenty optimized..there is no reason to compile a custom kernel
[07:07] <randabis> unless you want a newer one
[07:07] <randabis> and hoary already has 2.6.10
[07:07] <sewagemaster> i read from a lot of guides that you have to recompile the kernel to use nvidia drivers. probably those were out of date ones on the web
[07:08] <randabis> sewagemaster: not if you use ubuntu's standard kernel
[07:08] <sewagemaster> to use the non-free ones, not the opensource ones
[07:08] <randabis> no...
[07:08] <randabis> ubuntu has the non-free ones already in a package
[07:08] <sewagemaster> wow really. that's cool
[07:08] <randabis> but it only works with the standard ubuntu kernel
[07:08] <randabis> it will not work with a custom kernel
[07:08] <eyequeue> sewagemaster:  the "restricted" repo is designed for things like that
[07:09] <sewagemaster> that's really awesome
[07:09] <randabis> yep
[07:09] <seacyd> What is the gam_server? It takes 50% of CPU power.
[07:09] <sewagemaster> <--- using debian unstable
[07:09] <randabis> they took a tip from gentoo :p
[07:09] <sewagemaster> does the default kernel have bootsplash enabled also
[07:09] <eyequeue> sewagemaster:  as in: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[07:09] <|QuaD|> warty takes so long to install on qemu :)
[07:09] <da_bon_bon> how do i know whether udev is runing or no on hoary ?
[07:10] <da_bon_bon> sewagemaster: u use sid ?
[07:10] <randabis> sewagemaster: no, but there will be an alternative to bootsplash called usplash
[07:10] <eyequeue> sewagemaster:  ah, well, if on debian, you'll recognize the format of a sources.list line at least, heh
[07:10] <randabis> usplash hopefully will make it into hoary, but that's still up in the air at this point due to complications iirc
[07:11] <jmob> seacyd: it's some subset of fam, gnome probably uses it for file modification monitoring
[07:11] <sewagemaster> ya... sid
[07:12] <eyequeue> what is usplash btw?
[07:12] <sewagemaster> the thing i'm looking forward most is x.org really. i've heard they're having quite a number of bugs with the radeon drivers
[07:12] <randabis> usplash is going to be the ubuntu implementation of bootsplash
[07:12] <eyequeue> sounds more desirable than bootsplash, but i doin't know what that is either, heh
[07:12] <randabis> http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/usplash
[07:12] <randabis> iirc
[07:12] <eyequeue> k
[07:13] <randabis> bootsplash gives your computer a graphical splash image similar to the windows xp startup splash
[07:13] <GregoryD> that bootsplash is freaking blinding :)
[07:13] <randabis> in gentoo we use gensplash, which uses another implementation of bootsplash called fbsplash
[07:13] <da_bon_bon> sewagemaster: nvidia drivers are smooth on x.org
[07:14] <sewagemaster> da_bon_bon, all my cards are ati cards at the moment :-/
[07:14] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  yep
[07:14] <seacyd> jmob: thanks, I have killed it, so far I can do without
[07:14] <randabis> sewagemaster: you can blame ati for that. :p Their latest drivers supposedly address the x.org problems though
[07:14] <zenrox> i love the nvidia drivers
[07:14] <sewagemaster> i just cant seem to get good frame rates over 600
[07:14] <GregoryD> is there any reason that the ubuntu bootsplash would hang on nautilus for an inordinate amount of time?
[07:14] <seacyd> jmob: must have been the latest hoary update yesterday evening
[07:15] <randabis> GregoryD: uh..what? you mean the ubuntu gnome startup splash?
[07:15] <GregoryD> yeah, that one
[07:15] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: u on hoary too /?
[07:15] <randabis> in that case...I don't know
[07:15] <eyequeue> randabis:  i'm not normally into eyecandy, but that sounds rather impressive
[07:15] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  yep
[07:15] <zenrox> look in #ubuntuforums
[07:15] <randabis> eyequeue: yeah it's a nice feature
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: do u know how to get the original warty mouse theme ?
[07:16] <K-Rich> sweet, i'm now a 100% Ubuntu shop :)
[07:16] <eyequeue> randabis:  i also think it may be a nice "selling" point for those considering ubuntu
[07:16] <GregoryD> I had an issue earlier where my panel crashed and I put another one up there... which screwed things up each time I reloaded gnome... so I rebooted and the panel loaded fine, but the startup splash hangs
[07:16] <K-Rich> moived 24 systems to warty today :)
[07:16] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  om no never noticed that
[07:17] <randabis> eyequeue: yes, that's one of the reasons it is being implemented
[07:17] <sewagemaster> did anyone of you notice that the hoary "liveCD" is actually an installation CD
[07:17] <eyequeue> randabis:  it would need to be put on the livecd too of course
[07:17] <da_bon_bon> sewagemaster: really ?
[07:17] <randabis> eyequeue: it already is on the livecd iirc
[07:17] <sewagemaster> ya. i downloaded it twice. one from bittorrent link, another from http
[07:17] <K-Rich> eyequeue: thanks for the mysql help earlyer, saved my arse a load of troubles :)
[07:18] <eyequeue> K-Rich:  np, i've been there myself, so only too happy to spare others the misery, heh
[07:18] <randabis> sewagemaster: I believe you may be getting the wrong cd...you should not be able to install hoary with a livecd
[07:18] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: and firefox 1.0 rocks too..
[07:18] <randabis> unless they changed that
[07:18] <zenrox> da_bon_bon,  yep
[07:18] <da_bon_bon> randabis: maybe, unlike warty, hoary live can install ?
[07:19] <sewagemaster> randabis, i wanted to run the liveCD to see what it's like first. but i guess it wasnt the liveCD eventhough the link said it was
[07:19] <sewagemaster> let me find the link
[07:19] <eyequeue> da_bon_bon:  it's possible, but i rather doubt it, since that would mean there's significantly less room on the cd for apps
[07:19] <delltony> is there a rar password remover for linux?  i have forgot the pass i put on some rars of mine :(
[07:19] <da_bon_bon> eyequeue: what if theres an installer script like knoppix ?
[07:19] <sewagemaster> can i post links here?
[07:20] <eyequeue> sewagemaster:  topical? sure
[07:20] <sewagemaster> this one: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-3.5-live/
[07:20] <randabis> hmmm
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> sewagemaster: why not
[07:20] <sewagemaster> hoary-live-i386
[07:20] <randabis> sewagemaster: there is a newer hoary live cd
[07:20] <randabis> can't comment on that one
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> sewagemaster: that installs too ?
[07:20] <sewagemaster> that was an installer CD
[07:21] <randabis> try array-4 instead
[07:21] <eyequeue> da_bon_bon:  some channels have auto-kick-on-"www"-or-"http" believe it or not
[07:21] <sewagemaster> da_bon_bon, no, it was purely an installer cd. like debian sarge ones
[07:21] <randabis> or one of the daily lives
[07:21] <sewagemaster> ah. silly me. should have browsed up a directory first...
[07:22] <sewagemaster> but still. they made a mistake...
[07:22] <da_bon_bon> eyequeue: oh, havent seen that.
[07:22] <eyequeue> speaking of daily lives, has anyone noticed the weekly-dvd directory is *missing* the dvd images?
[07:23] <eyequeue> da_bon_bon:  i haven't seen it in tech channels, nor on freenode, but i've seen it in "social" channels elsewhere, as an antispambot measure i think
[07:24] <K-Rich> dvd sucks (only cause i can't burn them yet though :P )
[07:24] <eyequeue> K-Rich:  lol
[07:24] <da_bon_bon> eyequeue: ok.
[07:24] <K-Rich> got a CD-R/W DVD-R Combo Drive heh
[07:25] <eyequeue> K-Rich:  i want the ability to boot to them to be more universal, so i can start carrying a rescue/util dvd :)
[07:26] <K-Rich> eyequeue: can't you use 'el torito' with DVD ?
[07:26] <da_bon_bon> K-Rich: u can
[07:26] <eyequeue> K-Rich:  well think for a sec ... if i carry my "toolkit" on a dvd, what do i use to boot someone's non-dvd system? :)
[07:27] <K-Rich> true
[07:27] <eyequeue> it's like having a cd in the days of floppies
[07:27] <K-Rich> i wonder if it could be possible to use the first 800mb on a dvd to emulate a CD and to work in CD drives... hmmmmmm doubt it... but might be a nice experiment
[07:28] <Agrajag> uh, no
[07:28] <K-Rich> i still have clients who use floppies and <gasp> LS-120
[07:28] <eyequeue> btw, i notice a lot of disaster recovery methods are still dependent on the existance of a floppy drive, but i have no access to any
[07:28] <Agrajag> since they're not the same kind of disc at all
[07:28] <K-Rich> Agrajag: right... wasn't sure heh
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> for those who cant boot off cds, smart bootmanager is an excellent shoice
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> *choice
[07:29] <eyequeue> yeah, in my dream world you could flip the dvd over and there'd be a legit cd image there, the real world doesn't allow that though
[07:29] <sewagemaster> thanks for the help guys.
[07:29] <Agrajag> eyequeue: sure it does
[07:29] <K-Rich> eyequeue: super glue does LOL
[07:29] <eyequeue> lol
[07:29] <Agrajag> You'd just have to have them made professionally for way too much money
[07:30] <Agrajag> I have a Nine Inch Nails DVD which is a CD on one side and a DVD-A disc on the other
[07:30] <eyequeue> heh
[07:30] <eyequeue> ah, proof of concept
[07:30] <Agrajag> may not work in all CD drives though
[07:30] <mebaran151> hey
[07:31] <K-Rich> super glue... 99 cents a tube
[07:31] <eyequeue> now if that would become popular, it would trickle down to consumer level equipment
[07:31] <da_bon_bon> anyone seen the pUbuntu mouse theme by pinux ?
[07:31] <K-Rich> not i
[07:32] <siimo> anyone know how to play audio cds on xmms or linux
[07:32] <mebaran151> K-Rich, double wide trailer, I mean CD, that much too thick
[07:32] <K-Rich> probably... unless you used one of those small dvds what are they 8cm ?
[07:33] <GregoryD> pinux?  yeah, they're nice
[07:33] <siimo> i get this error when i try to mount it : mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdroms/cdrom1
[07:33] <GregoryD> http://gnomelook.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=19506&file1=19506-1.png&file2=19506-2.png&file3=19506-3.png&name=Pinux%27s+Tux+Cursors+Theme&PHPSESSID=0d078da53b6b702948b4ed0e386b7de8
[07:37] <K-Rich> http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/checkinstall/index.php
[07:37] <K-Rich> fast way to make .debs
[07:38] <MM2> which scripts is run, when machine starts?
[07:44] <OrangeSlice> scripts in /etc/init.d I believe
[07:46] <BiteMeBill> quiet in here tonight.
[07:56] <Lisztman> who knows how to setup ubuntu for an audigy ls sound card?
[07:56] <tweek> is it possible for anyone to setup a compiled packedge of wine so we can download it with synaptic ;)?
[07:57] <wezzer> Lisztman: it should work automatic in ubuntu
[07:57] <wezzer> do you have somekind of problem with it?
[07:58] <Lisztman> yeah
[07:58] <Lisztman> it doesnt work at all
[07:58] <Lisztman> pretty much everything else made by creative labs is supported, except for this kind of card
[07:58] <mebaran151> anyone know how to make the xmms fonts less ragged
[07:58] <mebaran151> mplayer too
[07:59] <mebaran151> anything that uses xfonts
[07:59] <MacPlusG3> mebaran151: get them to fix their apps :)
[08:00] <mebaran151> well
[08:00] <mebaran151> I reinstalled Ubuntu with the new array four
[08:00] <mebaran151> and they looked sweet
[08:00] <mebaran151> too bad Alsa didnt work
[08:00] <mebaran151> so I then tried apt-getting from an old warty cd
[08:00] <mebaran151> which brought all my pkgs up to date
[08:00] <mebaran151> but left xmms and mplayer in the same ragged font condition
[08:02] <eyequeue> tweek:  why don't you apt-get it
[08:03] <tweek> because it doesnt work
[08:03] <paulproteu1> mebaran151: If you missed my earlier messages (I had net problems):
[08:04] <paulproteu1> Beep Media Player is a drop-in replacement for XMMS, and is a step in the Right Direction: a step away from programs using old GUI toolkits with sucky fonts like GTK1 and Tcl/Tk.
[08:04] <tweek> im trying to compile it,but its giving me c errors
[08:04] <eyequeue> tweek:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:04] <tweek> >.<
[08:04] <tweek> i have added
[08:04] <tweek> it
[08:04] <tweek> its not there
[08:05] <tweek> on the libs and docs
[08:05] <eyequeue> tweek:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto <-- did you add universe?
[08:05] <tweek> yes
[08:05] <eyequeue> tweek:  sudo apt-get update
[08:05] <tweek> did
[08:05] <eyequeue> tweek:  then it "knows" universe
[08:06] <eyequeue> tweek:  then you can use synaptic, or you dan sudo apt-get install wine winesetuptk
[08:06] <eyequeue> can
[08:07] <eyequeue> it's there, i just manually checked the site
[08:07] <tweek> ive tried apt-get install wine but not winesetuptk
[08:07] <randabis> you should triple-check your repos
[08:07] <tweek> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[08:07] <randabis> sounds like you may have made a typo or something
[08:08] <tweek> ive checked,alot
[08:08] <randabis> for kicks, type wine
[08:08] <randabis> just wine
[08:08] <tweek> tryed
[08:08] <|QuaD|> i wish i knew how much longer on my warty install.... its setting up python-tk now
[08:08] <|QuaD|> any hints about how far along it is?
[08:08] <eyequeue> tweek:  grep universe /etc/apt/sources.list ... just paste one deb line here
[08:09] <eyequeue> |QuaD|:  no clue, other than that's not the base at all, so it's promising
[08:09] <|QuaD|> eyequeue: yeah
[08:09] <|QuaD|> qemu is sooo slow
[08:09] <tweek> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe' like this?
[08:09] <|QuaD|> i wish i had a vmware license
[08:09] <randabis> did you uncomment them?
[08:09] <eyequeue> tweek:  give me the line that starts with "deb "
[08:09] <tweek> k
[08:10] <|QuaD|> setting up xserver-xfree86
[08:10] <tweek> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[08:10] <eyequeue> a direct paste, not a type, if you can
[08:10] <eyequeue> okay
[08:10] <eyequeue> now, type these lines: sudo apt-get update
[08:10] <|QuaD|> just configured x
[08:11] <tweek> k eyequeue
[08:11] <|QuaD|> all just to remove half this stuff anyways :)
[08:11] <randabis> |QuaD|: shouldn't be much longer then
[08:11] <eyequeue> tweek:   apt-cache show wine | grep ^File
[08:11] <|QuaD|> randabis: waiting to do an apt-get remove *gtk libs*
[08:11] <eyequeue> tweek:   don't paste anything more than one line here
[08:11] <|QuaD|> randabis: on qemu it takes a while :)
[08:11] <randabis> i bet
[08:11] <tweek> that did nothing
[08:11] <eyequeue> tweek:   apt-cache show wine | wc
[08:12] <tweek>       0       0       0
[08:12] <Lisztman> so... who knows about configuring for an audigy LS sound card?
[08:12] <tweek> onboard?
[08:13] <eyequeue> tweek:  something is seriously screwy with your repositories in sources.list
[08:13] <tweek> :(
[08:13] <|QuaD|> tweek: why not post a copy to a website?
[08:13] <eyequeue> tweek:  are you able to dcc that file to me? (not sure if i can receive it)
[08:13] <tweek> not sure if i know how
[08:13] <randabis> tweek post sources.list at www.pastebin.com
[08:13] <tweek> to get that file
[08:13] <randabis> I want to have a look
[08:13] <|QuaD|> tweek: do you have apache installed?
[08:13] <tweek> no
[08:14] <eyequeue> tweek:  if not, wander over to pastebin.com and we can do it that way
[08:14] <tweek> unless its default
[08:14] <|QuaD|> tweek: never mind then
[08:14] <tweek> il do it on rafb
[08:14] <randabis> post it at www.pastebin.com
[08:14] <Brett> Hello
[08:14] <|QuaD|> hey Brett
[08:14] <eyequeue> tweek:  anwhere, jusy give us the url
[08:14] <randabis> and post a link pls
[08:14] <|QuaD|> heck even email it to us!
[08:14] <Brett> How is everyone this fine evening?
[08:14] <|QuaD|> Brett: could be better
[08:14] <tweek> ok, what file do you need?
[08:14] <|QuaD|> wishing qemu was faster
[08:14] <randabis> I'm good..waiting on openoffie to compile
[08:15] <OrangeSlice> wishing wine did unicode
[08:15] <|QuaD|> randabis: we wait to much
[08:15] <randabis> tweek: /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:15] <tweek> ok
[08:15] <randabis> copy the contents of that file and paste it, then give us the url
[08:15] <|QuaD|> randabis: don't you wish the computer was waiting for US
[08:15] <randabis> hah it will soon enough
[08:15] <|QuaD|> its soo unfair
[08:15] <|QuaD|> we payfor this thing
[08:15] <Brett> Wow I have been using Ubuntu for about a week now and have to say it is the best distrobution on the market.
[08:16] <tweek> http://rafb.net/paste/results/ObIP9u29.html
[08:16] <|QuaD|> and it doesn't inconvience itself!
[08:16] <|QuaD|> Brett: hehe :)
[08:16] <Brett> abd I have been into linux for about 2 years now.
[08:16] <|QuaD|> Brett: what are you comparing it to?
[08:16] <|QuaD|> (out of curiosity)
[08:16] <Brett> Mandrake,Suse and slack
[08:17] <Brett> mainly mandrake though
[08:17] <|QuaD|> interesting
[08:17] <|QuaD|> ahh
[08:17] <|QuaD|> ok
[08:17] <Brett> that is where I came from
[08:17] <OrangeSlice> mandrake was slow and buggy when I used it
[08:17] <randabis> Brett: all depends on preference. I think I like gentoo the best
[08:17] <|QuaD|> when i used it was slow and bloated
[08:17] <eyequeue> tweek:  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restrictcted
[08:17] <eyequeue> tweek:  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restrictcted
[08:18] <tweek> ?
[08:18] <Brett> I have never used a debian based system befor, but I think I will never look back to an RPM based system.
[08:18] <|QuaD|> Brett: :)
[08:18] <eyequeue> tweek:  see the difference in those two lines?  the first is mine, the second is yours
[08:18] <zenrox> brett i am the same way but 7 years of nix rh7.0-7.2, mdk 8.0-10.0, gentoo, suse 8.0
[08:18] <tweek> yes
[08:18] <OrangeSlice> better to compile everything from source anyway
[08:18] <tweek> would that make a big difference?
[08:18] <eyequeue> tweek:  you have to pull the trailing slash off the URIs
[08:18] <tweek> o.o
[08:18] <eyequeue> tweek:  huge
[08:18] <randabis> eyequeue: you completely typed that incorrectly
[08:18] <tweek> :(
[08:18] <randabis> warty man restricted
[08:18] <randabis> warty main restricted
[08:19] <eyequeue> randabis:  it was a paste, heh
[08:19] <tweek> is that the only one that was bad?
[08:19] <randabis> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[08:19] <K-Rich> where do you put cursor themes? i know icons go in ~/.icons and metacity themes go in ~/.themes (as well at gtk-s themes i think) just no idea on cursors
[08:19] <eyequeue> tweek:  first, humour me and give me this output though:  sudo ls /var/lib/apt/lists/archive* | wc
[08:20] <eyequeue> tweek:  i'd like to see how drastically it will cange or not
[08:20] <tweek>  14      14    1182
[08:20] <tweek> o.0
[08:20] <randabis> hah
[08:21] <eyequeue> tweek:  strip the one trailing slash, then re-run sudo apt-get update (snd see if you see it fetch any files) and then rerun that "wc" line
[08:21] <tweek> well i did apt-get and it tok about 5 times longer than before
[08:22] <eyequeue> tweek:  okay, i'll bet you now have wine available to you as well :)
[08:22] <tweek>     14      14    1182
[08:22] <tweek>  it is the same
[08:22] <Amaranth> eyequeue: _Really_ old version of WINE.
[08:23] <eyequeue> Amaranth:  but he has *none* presently, his repos are misbehaving
[08:23] <fluk> Hi
[08:23] <Amaranth> warty or hoary?
[08:23] <tweek> warty
[08:23] <eyequeue> warty
[08:23] <Amaranth> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[08:23] <eyequeue> tweek:   apt-cache show wine | wc
[08:23] <fluk> there is a new french mirror for ubuntu
[08:23] <eyequeue> tweek:   more than 0 now?
[08:24] <tweek> no
[08:24] <fluk> you can put it in your apt source-list
[08:24] <eyequeue> tweek:   oh DUH,  my fault
[08:24] <randabis> tweek: I posted an example sources.list on rafb
[08:24] <randabis> look for the newest entry
[08:24] <randabis> I can't grab the url atm
[08:24] <tweek> k
[08:24] <eyequeue> tweek:   also strip the trailing slash from the *universe* line too please
[08:24] <tweek> k
[08:24] <fluk> deb ftp://ftp.oleane.net/ubuntu warty main restricted multiverse unviverse
[08:25] <Amaranth> fluk: You fail it. :P
[08:25] <Amaranth> unviverse
[08:25] <eyequeue> tweek:  then re-run sudo apt-get update (snd see if you see it fetch any files) and then rerun that "wc" line
[08:25] <tweek> ok
[08:25] <fluk> yes universe, thanks :)
[08:25] <Welly> Hello all.. is it possible to install ubuntu from the hard drive? this machine doesn't have an optical drive :S
[08:26] <eyequeue> tweek:  i'd like to get you wine, then further repair your sources.list once you can see for yourself how it makes a difference
[08:26] <|QuaD|> is this install EVER going to finnish
[08:26] <OrangeSlice> that's a good question, I wonder if ubuntu provides a net install
[08:26] <tweek> is source.list interchangeable?
[08:27] <eyequeue> no
[08:27] <fluk> the ftp.oleane.net server is also known as ftp2.fr.debian.org
[08:27] <tweek> :(
[08:27] <Welly> orange, i can't install off the net at the moment either :) i've got a wireless lan card which needs ndiswrapper
[08:27] <eyequeue> tweek:  did you get the trailing slash off the universe line?
[08:27] <OrangeSlice> you're screwed :)
[08:27] <tweek> how would i remove it thru th eterminal?
[08:27] <Welly> lol excellent
[08:28] <Welly> looks like i'm giong to have to buy a new drive of some sort
[08:28] <eyequeue> tweek:  well, i'd use vim, you can use nano or any other text editor
[08:28] <tweek> k
[08:28] <OrangeSlice> nothing beats good ol' CAT-5 running through the house
[08:28] <eyequeue> tweek:  sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list, for example
[08:28] <tweek> it wont let me edit it with a text editor
[08:28] <randabis> tweek: I'd remove the slashes from the ends of every line
[08:29] <randabis> tweek: you have to use sudo
[08:29] <tweek> ok
[08:29] <eyequeue> tweek:  don't forget the sudo, hyou need to be root in /etc usually
[08:29] <randabis> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:30] <|QuaD|> we are up to setting up gnome-applets-data
[08:30] <eyequeue> |QuaD|:  did you time this at all?
[08:30] <tweek> how do i save in nano
[08:30] <|QuaD|> we are up to setting up gnome-games
[08:30] <|QuaD|> eyequeue: haha nope
[08:30] <|QuaD|> probably started around midnight
[08:31] <eyequeue> |QuaD|:  what TZ?
[08:31] <tweek> nvm
[08:31] <|QuaD|> eastern
[08:31] <eyequeue> tweek:  then re-run sudo apt-get update (snd see if you see it fetch any files) and then rerun that "wc" line
[08:31] <tweek> k
[08:31] <tweek> no fetching
[08:31] <eyequeue> tweek:  apt-cache show wine | wc
[08:32] <|QuaD|> eyequeue: then i am going to apt-get remove gtk2.0
[08:32] <|QuaD|> lol
[08:32] <K-Rich> anyone know how to install cursor themes?
[08:32] <tweek> 0 0 0
[08:32] <randabis> you probably didn't save the file
[08:32] <tweek> f3 = save?
[08:32] <randabis> hmm
[08:33] <|QuaD|> firefox :)
[08:33] <mebaran151> why isnt xmms, wxwidgets, and mplayer compiled with GTK2.0 rather than 1.2
[08:33] <randabis> tweek: yeah :/
[08:33] <mebaran151> 1.2 looks so ugly
[08:33] <tweek> i saved then :)
[08:33] <OrangeSlice> because you didn't compile it
[08:33] <mebaran151> I know that
[08:33] <eyequeue> tweek:  cat /etc/apt/sources.list (don't paste, just read it yourself locally to be sure the chages are there)
[08:33] <mebaran151> but the pkg maintainers
[08:33] <randabis> post your new sources.list
[08:34] <mebaran151> could
[08:34] <mebaran151> ;)
[08:34] <randabis> on rafb
[08:34] <OrangeSlice> well, not everyone has gtk2
[08:34] <|QuaD|> eyequeue: i am getting impatient :)
[08:35] <eyequeue> |QuaD|:  hold tight, in just a moment tweek is going to pour us all a glass of wine :)
[08:35] <|QuaD|> eyequeue: setting up openoffice
[08:35] <tweek> what does cat /etc/apt/sources.list do?
[08:35] <|QuaD|> lol
[08:35] <OrangeSlice> heh
[08:35] <id_ID> :-)
[08:35] <eyequeue> tweek:  cats (displays) the file to your screen
[08:36] <tweek> ok
[08:36] <randabis> tweek: it outputs the contents to your screen
[08:36] <randabis> or whereever you tell it to
[08:36] <tweek> it actualy looks like it keeps changin back to have slackes
[08:36] <randabis> for kicks, you could do
[08:36] <id_ID> tweak, it's display your apt source list... :-)
[08:36] <randabis> cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/dsp
[08:36] <eyequeue> tweek:  okay, you need to make those changes "stick"
[08:36] <tweek> "/"
[08:36] <randabis> lol
[08:37] <tweek> can i use office as root?
[08:37] <tweek> thats my prefered text editor :)
[08:37] <|QuaD|> tweek: why would you want to
[08:37] <eyequeue> tweek:  make the changes, in nano, and then use control-o to write the changes
[08:37] <|QuaD|> tweek: why would u use it as root
[08:37] <|QuaD|> you shouldn't use ANYTHING as root
[08:37] <randabis> tweek: you could use gedit
[08:37] <randabis> tweek: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:37] <tweek> k
[08:37] <id_ID> tweak, sure... :-)
[08:37] <Tsjoklat> long time no speak |QuaD|
[08:38] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: hey whats up
[08:38] <|QuaD|> i was just by your home :)
[08:38] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, doing kubuntu.. how are you doing?
[08:38] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: i am doing that now too :)
[08:38] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: good, yourself?
[08:38] <tweek> i saved twice
[08:38] <eyequeue> tweek:  cat it again, just to see
[08:39] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, good beans! are you doing warty or hoary? and I am doing great thank you
[08:39] <tweek> it looks to have stuck
[08:39] <tweek> :)
[08:39] <eyequeue> tweek:  then re-run sudo apt-get update (and see if you see it fetch any files) and then rerun that "wc" line
[08:39] <tweek> tweek@AMDwinchester:~ $ sudo apt-get update
[08:39] <tweek> E: Malformed line 23 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[08:39] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: i am installing warty now.... removing gtk (and whatever depends on it)... then updating to hoary... then adding kubuntu :)
[08:39] <|QuaD|> you seem chipper tonight
[08:40] <eyequeue> tweek:  stick a # in front of line 23, you don't need it anyway
[08:40] <tweek> ok
[08:40] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, you must have read my mind lol.. that's what I am doing too
[08:40] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: lol.... we are like soulmates
[08:40] <|QuaD|> haha
[08:40] <|QuaD|> are you doing it in qemu or on a real system?
[08:40] <eyequeue> tweek:  that's the sourceforge line
[08:40] <tweek> k
[08:40] <K-Rich> kubuntu ? just a guess KDE ?
[08:40] <eyequeue> tweek:  # comments a line out
[08:40] <randabis> yeah you don't really need that
[08:40] <|QuaD|> K-Rich: yeah... no gnome
[08:40] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, real system... my testbox... going to write an article about it.. got to do it for reals huh
[08:40] <randabis> K-Rich: yes, soon
[08:41] <id_ID> everybody, my computer is under proxy.. it's can't run apt-get...?? if i use synaptics...it's can work...how to setting this proxy in apt-get..??
[08:41] <K-Rich> |QuaD|: sad... i like gnome
[08:41] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: i wish i could.... i only have one box... who you write for?
[08:41] <randabis> K-Rich: then use ubuntu
[08:41] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, I want to see kynaptic.. lol
[08:41] <tweek> :(
[08:41] <tweek> 0 0 0
[08:41] <eyequeue> tweek:  while you're in there comment out the extra multiverse line at the end, with another # in front
[08:41] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, the NL team of ubuntu
[08:41] <|QuaD|> K-Rich: i like the speed of gnome, but kde altogher
[08:41] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: NL?
[08:41] <tweek> k
[08:41] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, The Netherlands..
[08:41] <|QuaD|> i thought you are from cali
[08:42] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, I am very much Dutch :)
[08:42] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: lol
[08:42] <eyequeue> tweek:  then re-run sudo apt-get update (after each edit of sources.lsit)
[08:42] <K-Rich> |QuaD|: the only think i like about KDE that i cant figure out how to do in gnome is make the application menus appear on the panel (al MacOS)
[08:42] <tweek> k
[08:42] <K-Rich> s/al/a'la
[08:42] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, just not living there lol
[08:42] <|QuaD|> K-Rich: lets not do a kde/gnome debate here :)
[08:42] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: haha... i want to live in cali :)
[08:43] <|QuaD|> just had my first in and out burger
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, no you don't :)
[08:43] <K-Rich> |QuaD|: i agree :)   you wouldn't know how to do that though would you?  Or anyone for that matter?
[08:43] <poningru> anyone here familiar with ubuntu live cd?
[08:43] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: if i can find a decent job out there... i am there
[08:43] <|QuaD|> K-Rich: nope, i am a kde man at heart :)
[08:43] <eyequeue> tweek:  apt-cache show wine | wc
[08:43] <randabis> openoffice is a bastard :p
[08:43] <tweek> still 0 0 0
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, I shall hope (but I don't need to.. er is no work in Cali) that you won't find a job then :)
[08:43] <randabis> how about sudo apt-cache search wine?
[08:43] <tweek> i now like gedit :)
[08:44] <poningru> anyone know how they make the win installers?
[08:44] <poningru> in the live cd
[08:44] <K-Rich> |QuaD|: damn man, i'd almost kill for a double-double from in-and-out :/
[08:44] <eyequeue> tweek:  grep universe /etc/apt/sources.list | grep "^ deb "
[08:44] <randabis> poningru: what do you mean?
[08:44] <Tsjoklat> tweek abiword is pretty good
[08:44] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: haha.... thanks i guess :).... i am going to go to the linuxworld expo soon and hopefully get my resume out soon
[08:44] <poningru> you know how if you put in the live cd during windows
[08:44] <|QuaD|> blah
[08:44] <|QuaD|> going on wed
[08:44] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, there are nicer places to live surely :P
[08:44] <|QuaD|> hopefully get something out of it soon
[08:45] <|QuaD|> i love boston
[08:45] <eyequeue> tweek:  you're having more fun with this file than any user has a right :)
[08:45] <tweek> eye there was no output for that so i think it worked?
[08:45] <jamin_l> uhm hey guys... what's the terminal command to find out what processes are using a device? (sda1)
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, England for example
[08:45] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: i like america
[08:45] <|QuaD|> haha
[08:45] <|QuaD|> born and raised here
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, well try Montana hahaha
[08:45] <poningru> it opens up a autorun that lists a bunch of oss to install
[08:45] <jamin_l> i'm trying to unmount my camera but it doesn't want to unmount because it's busy somewhere
[08:45] <randabis> tweek: you should have got output I think
[08:45] <poningru> ps aux
[08:45] <poningru> jamin:
[08:45] <tweek> nope,
[08:45] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: is there broadband access and jobs there?
[08:45] <eyequeue> tweek:  grep universe /etc/apt/sources.list (don't paste, i'll ask you about the output)
[08:45] <Xenguy> jamin_l: lsof or fuser might help
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, yes last I heard
[08:46] <crimsun> jamin_l: use lsof with the mount point, not the physical device
[08:46] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: thats kind of a requirement :)
[08:46] <tweek> k
[08:46] <tweek> i got 4 lines
[08:46] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: i am more of a city guy though
[08:46] <mebaran151> ismt there a whole site dedicated to why not to use cat
[08:46] <crimsun> moin Tsjoklat, |QuaD|
[08:46] <jamin_l> can you tell me what lsof does & if i should use any switches or anything with it?
[08:46] <|QuaD|> hey crimsun
[08:46] <Tsjoklat> hey crimsun
[08:46] <eyequeue> tweek:  actually do paste the single deb line, not the deb-src line
[08:46] <eyequeue> lsof (8)             - list open files
[08:46] <Xenguy> jamin_l: it does an 'ls' of OpenFiles
[08:47] <tweek> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[08:47] <Xenguy> =lsof
[08:47] <|QuaD|> and i have no food
[08:47] <tweek> i only have ramen wich i hate
[08:47] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, start your own city
[08:47] <eyequeue> tweek:  are you a student? (ramen)
[08:47] <tweek> ya
[08:47] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: like in simcity/lincity
[08:48] <eyequeue> tweek:  k, sudo apt-get update
[08:48] <|QuaD|> i am not good at those games.... my cities usually die :)
[08:48] <crimsun> tweek: pad thai >> ramen
[08:48] <tweek> pad thai =?
[08:48] <|QuaD|> crimsun: pad thai = 10xcost of ramen
[08:48] <crimsun> tweek: thai noodles
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, have you played Sims2?
[08:48] <eyequeue> tweek:  your line looks good, so this should fetch something
[08:48] <tweek> ah
[08:48] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: no windows ;(
[08:48] <|QuaD|> is it good?
[08:48] <tweek> it didnt :(
[08:48] <crimsun> |QuaD|: thankfully not here :)
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, very much so!
[08:48] <Amaranth> |QuaD|: Great trick for Sim City 2000: Make a small city that just makes a little bit of money every year then make time go really fast and go watch a movie.
[08:49] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: is there a linux version yet?
[08:49] <Tsjoklat> ramen?
[08:49] <eyequeue> pad thai are tastier, better noodles, though a bit pricier too
[08:49] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, only from the first edition.. Sims1
[08:49] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: cup a noodle soup = ramen, but ramen is cheaper
[08:49] <Tsjoklat> do I want to know what ramen is? it does sound horrid
[08:49] <tweek> i like ramen in a cub because it has veggies :)
[08:49] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, pad thai is good
[08:49] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: they aren't horrible.... they actaully aren't bad at all
[08:49] <tweek> cup
[08:49] <eyequeue> tweek:  i'm heading out the front door on foot, i'll bring you the file, lol
[08:49] <tweek> ok!
[08:49] <Amaranth> ramen noodles that you have to boil and then add seasoning to?
[08:50] <|QuaD|> Amaranth: yeah
[08:50] <Tsjoklat> doesn't it taste like plastic? lol
[08:50] <Amaranth> I love the creamy chicken flavor.
[08:50] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: no, they are actually decent
[08:50] <tweek> eyequeue is it possible to do it over sshd?
[08:50] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, I don't know.. if you say it is good it probably isn't :)
[08:51] <Amaranth> tweek: If you trusted someone you could temporarily unlock the root account and let them fix it.
[08:51] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: thanks a lot :) they aren't great... but for something quick and easy, they do the trick
[08:51] <|QuaD|> they are SUPER cheap
[08:51] <tweek> well il tell my freind
[08:51] <tweek> brb
[08:51] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, well you have to admit.. you do have a funny taste for food
[08:51] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: haha, why do you say that? (i forget what i have told you :0) )
[08:51] <Amaranth> ramen noodles are about $0.10-$0.17, can't be beat
[08:51] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: i pretty much eat anything other than fish
[08:51] <tweek> :)
[08:52] <tweek> fish is the suck
[08:52] <tweek> cept grouper
[08:52] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, I do remember what you told me before... and it was highly frightning
[08:52] <eyequeue> tweek:  ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages
[08:52] <alka_trash> Mmmm Sushi
[08:52] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: haha.... i eat anything :)
[08:52] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, rest my case :)
[08:52] <eyequeue> tweek:  i want to see all about that file :)
[08:52] <tweek> k
[08:52] <tweek> pm you it?
[08:52] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: can't blame a poor 21 y/o for taking what he can get!
[08:53] <|QuaD|> before i went to college, i was the PICKIEST eater
[08:53] <eyequeue> tweek:  feel free (this btw is the file we've been working to get for you, so you can get wine)
[08:53] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, if you say so :) being poor never prevented me from not eating right
[08:53] <tweek> you mgiht like this, No such file or directory
[08:53] <tweek> :(
[08:53] <eyequeue> tweek:  okay, that's consistent
[08:53] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: want to cook for me :)
[08:53] <eyequeue> tweek:  that means apt-get update hasn't fetched it yet
[08:53] <tweek> k
[08:54] <Tsjoklat> |QuaD|, offer still stands.. come on over
[08:54] <tweek> why would it get 1386
[08:54] <tweek> im on amd64
[08:54] <|QuaD|> Tsjoklat: you should have told me last week when i was in sf
[08:54] <eyequeue> tweek:  i have to ask this, though i suspect i know:  you don't happen to have "screen" installed there do you?
[08:54] <eyequeue> tweek:  ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
[08:54] <tweek> i have vnc
[08:54] <eyequeue> tweek:  ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-*_Packages
[08:55] <eyequeue> tweek:  oh wait a sec, let me check something on the archive
[08:55] <tweek> k
[08:55] <tweek> heres the output of that tho
[08:56] <delltony> anyone mind helping me get dcc sends working with xchat ? i have enabled ports 1024 to 65535 on my router but nothing seems to give
[08:56] <tweek> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root      9491991 2004-10-20 03:27 /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-amd64_Packages
[08:56] <tweek> oops
[08:56] <tweek> i dislike this client o.0
[08:57] <Amaranth> delltony: I believe X-Chat has an option where you can fill in the IP address you're using. I can't remember if it needs to be the local IP or the router's IP but sometimes it's required.
[08:57] <delltony> well i look at the info and it shows my correct ip which is strange
[08:57] <delltony> and i see it in netstat -tlnp listening on 1024 for the send to ack
[08:57] <Tsjoklat> my attention is needed by another rig.. in and out
[08:58] <delltony> but i can receive all day long just never sedn
[08:58] <mebaran151> is there anyway to make my gtk1.2 apps look better
[08:58] <mebaran151> they have such awful fonting
[08:58] <|QuaD|> my warty install has been on the same step for a while!
[08:59] <|QuaD|> "registering documentation, please wait!"
[09:00] <mebaran151> Quad
[09:00] <mebaran151> you might have frozen
[09:00] <jamin_l> I figured it out.  I had gThumb open.
[09:00] <|QuaD|> mebaran151
[09:00] <|QuaD|> mebaran151: i doubt it
[09:00] <mebaran151> ah
[09:00] <mebaran151> it matters what you mean by quite awhile
[09:00] <GammaRay> mebaran151: gtk-theme-switch2
[09:00] <|QuaD|> mebaran151: 20 minutes
[09:00] <mebaran151> I see quite awhile as five days
[09:00] <GammaRay> mebaran151: err gtk-theme-switch rather.. not 2
[09:01] <|QuaD|> mebaran151: its ok... its just slow
[09:01] <mebaran151> hehe
[09:01] <mebaran151> ok
[09:01] <mebaran151> good
[09:02] <crimsun> mebaran151: gtk1 has a hackish attempt at adding antialiasing
[09:02] <mebaran151> hey
[09:02] <mebaran151> could I see it
[09:02] <crimsun> you have to export GDK_USE_XFT=1
[09:02] <mebaran151> it cant look worst that it is
[09:03] <crimsun> and possibly LD_PRELOAD some lib
[09:03] <mebaran151> how would I do that for say XMMS
[09:03] <crimsun> google for gtk1 antialias
[09:03] <mebaran151> cool
[09:03] <crimsun> mebaran151: sudo aptitude install beep-media-player
[09:03] <mebaran151> does it do everything xmms does
[09:03] <GammaRay> no offense but I find aa quite terrible looking myself.
[09:03] <crimsun> mebaran151: xmms with a gtk2 ui
[09:04] <crimsun> forked from xmms 1.2.xish
[09:04] <mebaran151> heheh
[09:04] <mebaran151> I shall look at it
[09:05] <GammaRay> aa, "lets make fonts look better by squinting"
[09:06] <mebaran151> well beep-media-player doesnt want to laod
[09:06] <KevMan> Mornin all
[09:06] <mebaran151> any ideas
[09:07] <hoary> everybody, any body know whereis source to install eclipse...??
[09:07] <welly> Hello all
[09:07] <mebaran151> Hello
[09:09] <mebaran151> ok
[09:09] <mebaran151> do I need pass anything special to beep
[09:09] <siimo> hoary: ?
[09:10] <|QuaD|> FINALLY it finnished
[09:10] <crimsun> mebaran151: nope
[09:10] <mebaran151> hmm
[09:10] <mebaran151> can it load with XMMS in the bkgrnd
[09:10] <crimsun> mebaran151: start it from the terminal and look at the output
[09:10] <crimsun> mebaran151: close xmms first
[09:10] <siimo> hoary:  apt-get install eclipse-platform it should be in ubuntu ?
[09:10] <mebaran151> ok
[09:10] <mebaran151> I will
[09:12] <marcin_ant> hi all
[09:12] <marcin_ant> could someone help me with java?
[09:12] <|QuaD|> marcin_ant: www.ubuntuguide.com
[09:12] <marcin_ant> I installed j2sdk1.5.0 with apt
[09:12] <marcin_ant> as described here
[09:12] <marcin_ant> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[09:13] <marcin_ant> but now I cannot remove this package
[09:13] <mebaran151> after xmms finishes recording tchaivosky
[09:13] <mebaran151> oh those russians
[09:13] <OrangeSlice> the person who can decipher this command gets a cookie: sed -i -e':a;N;$!ba;s/\n//g'
[09:13] <OrangeSlice> :p
[09:13] <crimsun> rachmaninov
[09:13] <mebaran151> shostakovich
[09:13] <mebaran151> stravinsky
[09:13] <mebaran151> Borodin'
[09:13] <hoary> siimo, i can't get it from the source.. :(
[09:13] <mebaran151> Mussourgsky
[09:13] <crimsun> prince igor
[09:14] <crimsun> & dance of the potslovian dance
[09:14] <marcin_ant> |QuaD|: I know but I don't have problem with installation - I want to remove but package is broken
[09:14] <crimsun> miss hahn plays a mean shostakovich, too
[09:14] <marcin_ant> |QuaD|: can you help?
[09:14] <mebaran151> can it use xmms modules
[09:15] <mebaran151> like my flac module
[09:15] <mebaran151> beep media player
[09:15] <|QuaD|> marcin_ant: whats the errors
[09:15] <mebaran151> and why doesnt it support the modern alsa
[09:15] <crimsun> mebaran151: it absolutely supports alsa.
[09:15] <|QuaD|> tsjoklat didn't even say good bye!
[09:15] <tsjubu> marcin, sudo rm -rf ?
[09:15] <|QuaD|> hehe
[09:15] <mebaran151> yeah
[09:15] <mebaran151> I just found that
[09:15] <mebaran151> sorry
[09:15] <mebaran151> I jump to conclusion
[09:15] <marcin_ant> |QuaD|: the problem is that package installed files in /usr/lib/sun-j2sdk1.5.0
[09:15] <mebaran151> but can it play flac
[09:15] <crimsun> mebaran151: absolutely
[09:16] <mebaran151> all my cd's are flacced
[09:16] <marcin_ant> |QuaD|: but when I'm trying to apt-get remove
[09:16] <mebaran151> cool
[09:16] <mebaran151> using the xmms stuff
[09:16] <tezza> how do i remove .deb's that i have added?
[09:16] <mebaran151> which is better for mp3 decoding
[09:16] <mebaran151> mad or mpg123
[09:16] <crimsun> tezza: sudo aptitude remowe foo
[09:16] <marcin_ant> |QuaD|: then it complains that for example "/usr/bin/idlj": No such file or directory
[09:16] <crimsun> mebaran151: mpg123 is probably "faster" on your system because it has a fpu
[09:17] <mebaran151> oh and crimsun, can it use mplayer to player movies
[09:17] <mebaran151> ah yes
[09:17] <mebaran151> fixed point arithmetic is all the rage these days
[09:17] <siimo> tezza: or dpkg -r
[09:17] <marcin_ant> |QuaD|: scripts wants to remove files from /usr while they are in /usr/lib/sun-j2sdk
[09:18] <mebaran151> does beep media use the xmms plugins
[09:18] <crimsun> mebaran151: it can, but you should use versions compiled for b-m-p
[09:18] <mebaran151> ok
[09:19] <crimsun> mebaran151: as for mplayer, I don't believe it can
[09:19] <mebaran151> yeah
[09:20] <mebaran151> I will be stuck with xmms for all my DivX
[09:20] <mebaran151> doesnt look like it does video
[09:20] <mebaran151> but it does what I need it to
[09:20] <OrangeSlice> or actually use mplayer.
[09:20] <mebaran151> so it is fine
[09:20] <mebaran151> OrangeSlice, blasphemy!
[09:20] <marcin_ant> |QuaD|: what can I do with this crap?
[09:21] <mebaran151> but mplayer has the same font problem
[09:21] <OrangeSlice> indeed, I prefer totem/gstreamer myself.
[09:21] <mebaran151> I think it must have a gui based on gtk1.2 as well
[09:21] <mebaran151> I will see if totem will open my DivX
[09:21] <mebaran151> a whole bunch of shows my friend gave me
[09:22] <OrangeSlice> I think ubuntu comes with totem-xine, which works quite well itself
[09:22] <Neil3> it will
[09:22] <Neil3> i use totem-xine
[09:22] <OrangeSlice> gstreamer supports more formats though
[09:22] <OrangeSlice> so I use it
[09:22] <mebaran151> I will be damned
[09:22] <Neil3> gstreamer totem had problems for me
[09:23] <tsjubu> i use totem-xine
[09:23] <OrangeSlice> plus autoloading subtitles from a file is nice
[09:23] <mebaran151> I guess since they added ffmpeg to Gstreamer
[09:23] <mebaran151> it works out
[09:23] <mebaran151> the anime I got from my friend hardcoded on the disk
[09:23] <mebaran151> which is both annoying
[09:23] <mebaran151> but utterly necessary
[09:24] <mebaran151> ffmpeg is the video codec of mplayer right
[09:24] <mebaran151> too bad gstreamer stutters
[09:24] <mebaran151> it was nice
[09:25] <eyequeue> btw, for anyone curious, the wine problem turned out to be that it was only available for the i386 platform :(
[09:25] <crimsun> eyequeue: if you're on amd64, try running wine within a 32-bit chroot
[09:25] <tweek> im on the amd ,but i dont know how to do that
[09:26] <eyequeue> crimsun:  it's tweek, and he was looking to apt-get it, but it doesn't exist for non-i386 i now see
[09:26] <crimsun> tweek: use debootstrap with --arch=i386
[09:26] <crimsun> tweek: there are helpful hints on the wiki
[09:26] <|QuaD|> anyone here familiar with qemu?
[09:26] <tweek> and this allows me to run as a i386?
[09:27] <crimsun> tweek: well essentially you'll have a 32-bit ubuntu install chrooted in some directory
[09:27] <tweek> your over my head :)
[09:27] <duckdown> Wow, I totally overlooked the beautiful job debian did with the base gnome
[09:27] <randabis> finally :p
[09:27] <duckdown> I just chose to install it this time around
[09:28] <duckdown> err not debian
[09:28] <duckdown> ubuntu
[09:29] <crimsun> tweek: search on the wiki for it
[09:29] <tweek> ok
[09:35] <duckdown> if you're using --append-to-version , is there a point to setting a name inside make menuconfig?
[09:36] <crimsun> duckdown: not really
[09:36] <duckdown> :D
[09:46] <duckdown> quietest i've ever seen it :] 
[09:46] <tweek> can anyone help me wit a compileing error?
[09:46] <tweek> with
[09:46] <Bubbling_Zombie> hi there ^_^
[09:46] <duckdown> 8] 
[09:47] <tweek> hello
[09:48] <tweek> i get this error when i try to ./configure wine   checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[09:50] <eyequeue> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:50] <tweek> i have it
[09:50] <Bubbling_Zombie> is it possible to use a windows share as a temporary repository ? just to install ndiswrapper
[09:51] <Bubbling_Zombie> or is it better to compile from source
[09:51] <tolstoy_> nvidia messed up again with the latest hoary kernel builds?
[09:52] <welly> hey, i'm trying to install ubuntu from a burnt ISO file. i've stuffed the disc in the drive and it starts to boot up then I'm getting an "invalid compression format" error or something
[09:52] <welly> any ideas what that is about?
[09:54] <ivan> woohoo a wiki
[09:54] <Bubbling_Zombie> nm, found it
[09:55] <tjs> anyone running hoary on a dell inspiron 9200?
[09:55] <ivan> can i resize ntfs partitions from the live cd?
[09:55] <tjs> I just finished installing it, it hangs after a minute
[09:56] <tjs> total lock up, cant alt-ctrl-f1, sys-req-b.. anything
[09:57] <crimsun> tjs: running latest hoary kernel? the security and inotify patches have been reverted.
[09:58] <tjs> oh
[09:58] <tweek> how do i get cvs?
[09:59] <tweek> apt-get cvs?
[09:59] <tjs> I'll check the kernel version once ive finished settuing up *cough* XP on another partition
[09:59] <tweek> :)
[09:59] <crimsun> 'night. :)
[09:59] <tweek> it worked
[09:59] <eyequeue> tweek:  close, sudo apt-get install cvs
[09:59] <tweek> got it ;P
[10:00] <eyequeue> tweek:  sudo apt-get install cvsd if you want to create your own local repositories
[10:01] <tweek> na i just wanted to get some source for a game
[10:03] <tweek> hmmm
[10:03] <tweek> :(
[10:03] <tweek> is there a way to get everything evel slightly related to compileing so i never have to update again
[10:03] <tweek> every*
[10:04] <maps73> hi, who know the similar command line for gnome? kprinter --stdin
[10:05] <senectus> I've been re-arranging my partitions.. and I think I've broken it :-( If I do a "v" in fdisk I get "62 unallocated sectors
[10:05] <senectus> "
[10:06] <senectus> Can I recover it?
[10:07] <Amaranth> tweek: Not unless you want to get all the -dev packages, for a start.
[10:07] <tweek> get-apt install *dev?
[10:07] <Amaranth> sudo apt-get install *-dev
[10:08] <Amaranth> watch how large that is :P
[10:08] <tweek> i dont mind :)
[10:08] <maps73> hi, who know the similar command line for gnome? kprinter --stdin
[10:08] <Amaranth> maps73: Nope, can't say I can.
[10:08] <Amaranth> senectus: Ouch, no idea.
[10:08] <Amaranth> Didn't want you guys to think I was just ignoring you. :P
[10:10] <senectus> Amaranth, it gets worse.. I get this wjen I try to write the changes to the disk:
[10:10] <senectus> Command (m for help): w
[10:10] <senectus> The partition table has been altered!
[10:10] <senectus> Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table.
[10:10] <senectus> WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy.
[10:10] <senectus> The kernel still uses the old table.
[10:10] <senectus> The new table will be used at the next reboot.
[10:10] <senectus> Syncing disks.
[10:10] <senectus> root@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu #
[10:10] <tweek> Amaranth have you heard of guichan?
[10:10] <Amaranth> nope
[10:10] <tweek> =\
[10:10] <tweek> i guess its a library i need to compile a game
[10:11] <Amaranth> google for it
[10:11] <tweek> :)
[10:11] <tweek> i <3 google
[10:11] <Amaranth> senectus: When you reopen fdisk are the changes still there?
[10:11] <senectus> Amaranth, yes
[10:12] <senectus> but It has the control-D error that doesn't let it boot properly
[10:12] <tjs> gah, you cant use the live cd as a rescue cd?
[10:12] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hiho
[10:12] <Amaranth> tjs: Sure you can.
[10:12] <tjs> which boot option?
[10:13] <tjs> I just need to reinstate grub in the mbr
[10:15] <tweek> if i make> make install, its already been installed and i dont have to mess with it anymore right? o.0
[10:15] <kent> Is there some way to the textwindow in xchat scroll over more text? i got up this morning and saw that some one sent me a message in a channel, but i could not see it in the window, i had to open the logs by hand. :( since "less" can open a large log-file without to much cpu/memory usage, perhaps xchat can aswell?
[10:16] <scizzo> kent: is there no /lastlog or something?
[10:17] <kent> scizzo, thanks :)
[10:22] <[NikO] > hello
[10:23] <duckdown> what the hell? how come when I run apt-get it wants me to insert my CD?
[10:23] <TheMuso> duckdown: You have very likely got your CD in your /etc/apt/sources.list file.
[10:23] <TheMuso> As in, apt is pointed to your CD.
[10:24] <AndyR> un-tick cd in symantic repository if thats what you use
[10:24] <duckdown> symantec?
[10:24] <duckdown> for linux? haha
[10:25] <duckdown> yeah it was in sources.list .. fixed thanks
[10:25] <[NikO] > could someone now how to have ubuntu installed on a external usb2 drive
[10:25] <El_Che> polypaudio? mmm
[10:25] <El_Che> now I feel bleeding edge :)
[10:26] <AndyR> synaptic even, its early :))
[10:26] <duckdown> AndyR,  i know, im just playin :D
[10:27] <maps73> a question. i'm using firefox 0.9.3 and i want instal the firefox 1.0. I'm downloading firefox-1.0.installer.tar.gz. It's difficult install it? thank you in advance
[10:27] <OrangeSlice> you could apt-get it from warty-backports
[10:28] <mlambie_> maps73: I used a deb and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgraded
[10:28] <mlambie_> i'll get the repository...
[10:29] <mlambie_> maps73: I *think* it's: deb http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ut8g/ubuntu warty-updates main universe
[10:30] <maps73> ok, I just done. it's very very easy. i just finisched
[10:43] <svenl> Hi.
[10:44] <svenl> I am trying to debootstrap a ubuntu system from an installed debian.
[10:45] <svenl> Can i simply reuse the ubuntu /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts with the debian debootstrap package ? Or do i need something particular ?
[10:45] <dredg> svenl: works for me (tm)
[10:46] <senectus> aaarrgghh@
[10:47] <senectus> my /dev/hda partition table is broken :-( not my install wont let me boot.. I can still get to the data but I can make it boot off the install
[10:48] <ryan_> are there defragmentation tools ?
[10:49] <svenl> dredg: you just copied the hoary/warthy scripts over ?
[10:49] <dredg> svenl: yeah
[10:49] <svenl> dredg: and debootstrap will do a base system like debian, and then i have to install all the graphical stuff ?
[10:50] <dredg> debootstrap will only install what it's told to
[10:53] <svenl> yep, working :)
[10:54] <svenl> need to do some post-debootstrap config probably though.
[10:55] <svenl> Now i need to run it with the debian powerpc kernel, and it should run happily.
[10:55] <d3vic3> anyone from portugal?
[11:02] <svenl> Damn, it failed, with some message about no /mnt/usr/sbin/sendmail in the configuring base system step :/
[11:04] <gawie> hi is there someone who can tell me why this distro does not come with a mp3 player???
[11:04] <svenl> gawie: it probably does but you didn't find it.
[11:05] <hypatia> Would http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePythonTransitionTODO be an appropriate place to mention that the offlineimap dependencies are broken? (it depends on the profiler)
[11:05] <hypatia> (offlineimap is in universe)
[11:06] <searcher`> gawie: add multiverse and install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:07] <searcher`> there's your mp3 plugin
[11:07] <searcher`> (might have to re-register your plugins)
[11:09] <senectus> how do you format a fs to be swap?
[11:10] <eyequeue> mkswap
[11:10] <senectus> ahh thats it thanks.. (brain fart :-P )
[11:10] <eyequeue> np
[11:10] <senectus> I shoulda remembered that from my gentoo days :-)
[11:11] <senectus> oookay.. reboot time.. *fingers crossed*
[11:17] <searcher`> reboot to activate a swap partition?
[11:23] <PoitEr`AuS> hey, guys how u goin, i'm a complete newb at Linux and i'm just wondering if someone can help me on what is the command in linux to enter Desktop
[11:24] <PoitEr`AuS> ? :)
[11:24] <OrangeSlice> uh...
[11:24] <OrangeSlice> what do you mean exactly
[11:25] <PoitEr`AuS> i'm sorry i mean does Ubuntu come with a Desktop, eg Windows Xp Desktop, or Mac OS Desktop with icons
[11:25] <PoitEr`AuS> like trash bla bla bla..??? :)
[11:25] <OrangeSlice> yes
[11:25] <OrangeSlice> ubuntu comes with a desktop
[11:26] <PoitEr`AuS> ok kool, lol i'm a bit lost i know like the basic commands, but i dont know how to load up he Desktop
[11:26] <PoitEr`AuS> it goes to the command screen
[11:26] <Mr_Smiley> oh so it didn't start up automatically?
[11:26] <PoitEr`AuS> :)
[11:26] <PoitEr`AuS> nop
[11:26] <Mr_Smiley> nvidia card?
[11:26] <PoitEr`AuS> Raedon
[11:26] <Mr_Smiley> hmm
[11:27] <OrangeSlice> nvidia has better drivers :p
[11:27] <PoitEr`AuS> 9200 128meg
[11:27] <PoitEr`AuS> hmm, could it be, that it didnt detect my card,
[11:27] <PoitEr`AuS> ?
[11:30] <PoitEr`AuS> any ideas? :)
[11:31] <JsPr> PoitEr`AuS: Have you tried to execute startx from the command line after login?
[11:32] <PoitEr`AuS> nop and dont know what da hell dat is :)
[11:33] <JsPr> well, it should start your desktop (window manager) if you have it installed.
[11:34] <PoitEr`AuS> nop well den its not installed hmmm, how would i be able to install that on, sorry for knowin so little mate just tryin to learn the basics
[11:35] <Mr_Smiley> haha well you should have it installed, what happens when you type startx?
[11:36] <mjr> PoitEr`AuS, I had a detection problem with my 9250 that was fixed by replacing 'Driver "ati"' in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 with 'Driver "radeon"'. Dunno if that works for you, but maybe worth a shot.
[11:37] <BigIslan1> Any guesses how many months or years before I can use Ubuntu linux with my PowerBook G4 and get online through a T-Mobile Motorola V600 when I'm not able to get online through the university wireless through the built in, yet currently unsupported Airport Extreme hardware?  Basically, in very ballpark terms when will these things work and when will the software update facility be easy enough for a beginner like my grandma?
[11:38] <PoitEr`AuS> ok kool thanks all u guys, heaps of help Thanks heaps
[11:38] <PoitEr`AuS> cheers mate, take it easy guys
[11:40] <c-foo> does living in malaysia make my long-ordered CDs take aeons to arrive?
[11:41] <svenl> Mmm, Seems debootstrap dies while complaining about a missing dpkg_progress command ?
[11:41] <membreya> does anyone have a tutorial on how to convert divx files to a DVD?
[11:41] <membreya> in windows I just use nero :|
[11:42] <c-foo> been waiting for more than 4 months, CDs still won't arrive
[11:42] <OrangeSlice> I never got mine
[11:42] <OrangeSlice> and I was in the first shipment back in November
[11:42] <c-foo> me too
[11:42] <TheJester667> hi everyone
[11:43] <c-foo> i guess being in asia makes me inaccessible, mail wise
[11:43] <OrangeSlice> I'm in the USA, I still didn't get mine ._.
[11:44] <c-foo> i wonder what shipping company Canonical engaged...
[11:44] <MyNameIsChris> Does anyone have any idea how long it takes for ubuntu cds to make it to Australia?
[11:44] <MyNameIsChris> using shipit
[11:44] <membreya> why not just download it MyNameIsChris ?
[11:44] <membreya> takes about 10 mins ;)
[11:44] <TheJester667> i got one of the november cds... germany westfalia..
[11:45] <c-foo> lucky you
[11:45] <MyNameIsChris> Because single-channel isdn is not your friend
[11:45] <OrangeSlice> I think our mailman stole mine
[11:45] <membreya> ouch
[11:45] <membreya> 128k? ;)
[11:45] <membreya> 64k? :P
[11:45] <MyNameIsChris> Yep
[11:45] <MyNameIsChris> 64k
[11:45] <membreya> definately ouch
[11:45] <OrangeSlice> :(
[11:45] <membreya> out whoop whoop?
[11:46] <c-foo> i think i'm qualified to be called a neanderthal
[11:47] <c-foo> neanderthal with a lappy
[11:47] <membreya> portable cave paintings c-foo ? :P
[11:48] <BigIslan1>  ok, how about this, when is bluetooth and airport extreme gonna be supported in linux ppc, approximately :-)
[11:48] <OrangeSlice> never.  get a pc :p
[11:48] <Arago> Hi, i have a trrouble with gnome. I can't add launcher. I'm using warty. Any idea ?
[11:48] <membreya> Arago: right clicked on the panel? :P
[11:48] <membreya> or are you trying to add it to the menus?
[11:49] <Arago> membreya > to menus; and tryed both with mouse dx and nautilus. none works
[11:49] <c-foo> might as well take a flight to africa and get those CDs myself
[11:50] <c-foo> a lil over the edge, i might add
[11:50] <membreya> I can't use the nautilus commands either..says cannot display location
[11:51] <Arago> membreya > mine works. But menus don't update. With nautilus i can see the file but not in menus.
[11:51] <OrangeSlice> I think they shipped from switzerland
[11:52] <membreya> Arago: have you restarted your gnome? gnome is having trouble updating
[11:52] <membreya> you might want to open a console
[11:52] <membreya> and sudo killall gnome-panel
[11:52] <c-foo> what are those CDs doing in Switzerland?
[11:52] <Arago> membreya > i restart pc every day .. it's a NB without suspend to disk .
[11:53] <Arago> no way
[11:53] <c-foo> my guess is, they had to randomly send out CDs cuz they cant afford to send everyone CDs, or i'm just wrong
[11:54] <jk> hmm anyone noticed pcre breakage in php in hoary?
[11:56] <svenl> dredg: where did you get the scripts from ? hoary or warty ?
[11:57] <dredg> hoary
[11:57] <svenl> dredg: seems the hoary ones have dpkg_progress which is not in debian/sid.
[11:58] <svenl> dredg: maybe it is a recent addition.
[11:58] <dredg> svenl: ah, haven't done it in a while... anything could have been added
[11:58] <svenl> chaged it to plain progress, should work, i think.
[11:59] <Arago> brb
[11:59] <MSG43> hi
[11:59] <MSG43> i need help
[12:00] <MSG43> I need to install ndiswraper. It not on the ubuntu cd, and I get an error whenever I run make and make install
[12:00] <MSG43> view the error here http://www.pastebin.com/242008 please help
[12:00] <Amaranth> MSG43: Don't install from source.
[12:01] <TheJester667> Amaranth, is there a reason why not?
[12:01] <MSG43> then how do I install? I tried to install from deb and it didn't work
[12:01] <MSG43> and I don't have an internet connection on my linux box it wireless
[12:01] <Amaranth> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper
[12:01] <Amaranth> oh
[12:02] <Amaranth> does it have ethernet?
[12:02] <MSG43> yes but I can't connect to the internet it in the other room
[12:02] <TheJester667> ah ok. thanks
[12:03] <MSG43> plus I might need to install an other package using source
[12:03] <El_Che> any more info on the polypaudio switch in hoary?
[12:03] <christopher_> hey
[12:04] <christopher_> which gcc should i install 3.3 or 3.4
[12:04] <christopher_> is there any compatibility issues?
[12:04] <christopher_> *are
[12:05] <svenl> dredg: oh well, didn't work :/
[12:05] <svenl> will try to get warty scripts.
[12:05] <MSG43> well I gtg hopegully I can get help when i come home hopefully I don't have to ditch ubuntu
[12:05] <mrkookz> Anyone have any tips as to how to get into Webmin once installed?  I'm using https and port 10000 but it's rejecting the root username and password...
[12:06] <Div> I want to access /etc/rc.d/init.d/ but only rc0-6&S.d exists how do I navigate please suggest resource material to read - newbie to linux
[12:07] <scoon> Div, man update-rc.d
[12:07] <membreya> wooohooo.... I finally got tv-out working! :P
[12:07] <membreya> now I just have to figure out how to not stretch my desktop
[12:11] <membreya> does anyone here run tv-out? all my apps are opening off screen (ie on the TV)
[12:12] <Nermal> membreya, lol.. it working a little too well ? :)
[12:12] <membreya> all I need is a 100hz tv and I wouldn't care ;)
[12:12] <Nermal> is it an ATI card ?
[12:12] <AndyFitz> how the hell did upgrading ubuntu-base break my xsession stuff
[12:12] <membreya> nermal? isn't that the female kitten in garfield? :P
[12:12] <AndyFitz> -  -  in hoary
[12:13] <membreya> Nermal: it's nvidia
[12:13] <Nermal> erm.. no.. it's a he - his cousin
[12:13] <membreya> ooooooooooooooh
[12:13] <Nermal> membreya, humm.. isn't there a util for switching ?
[12:13] <Nermal> one sec :)
[12:13] <membreya> i just got it all working in my xorg.conf
[12:13] <membreya> no util
[12:15] <Nermal>  http://sourceforge.net/projects/nv-tv-out/
[12:15] <Nermal> "This is a tool to enable TV-Out on Linux for NVidia cards. It does not need the kernel, supports multiple TV encoder chips. You may use all the features of the chip, down to direct register access, and all resolutions and sizes the chip supports."
[12:15] <Nermal> hrm
[12:15] <Nermal> might be in apt.. dunno
[12:16] <membreya> there has to be a xorg.conf setting to get everything to open on desktop .otherwise when the tv is off >:(
[12:17] <muscibot> hi all
[12:17] <muscibot> can any1 tell me how to get a java virtual machine
[12:17] <JsPr> nvtv is in apt but I didn't get it to work with my Ti4200 card... :-(
[12:19] <federa> hi everybody!!!
[12:19] <muscibot> huh?
[12:19] <membreya> muscibot: http://www.blackdown.org/
[12:19] <AndyFitz> g'day federa
[12:19] <muscibot> thnx
[12:20] <federa> does anyone knows the name of a proxy server for ubuntu??(i need it to use linux computer as a gateway for the win computer) tnx!!
[12:20] <muscibot> can any1 tell me about a prog where I can burn music cds
[12:21] <JsPr> federa: Squid?
[12:22] <federa> probably..my friend told me about this server, but i don't know the name
[12:23] <federa> how about "simpleproxy"?? it can be useful for me?
[12:24] <dud> just use squid... what can be simpler and better than good ol squid?
[12:24] <federa> i've never used a proxy...so i don't know what is good and what is bad  :D
[12:25] <membreya> well ...got tv out working..now all i need to figure out is how to burn divx files to DVD and how to burn music cd's and I can remove windows ...mwuahahaha
[12:25] <federa> i just need somethings to use the linux internet connection with windows computer
[12:26] <El_Che> yo, any idea if rhythmbox works with polypadio in hoary?
[12:27] <svenl> nope, definitively doesn't work oh well. I guess i need to install ubuntu to debootstrap ubuntu :/
[12:27] <muscibot> how did you guys get hoary?  I have warty...
[12:28] <membreya> muscibot: download it ? :)
[12:28] <El_Che> muscibot: is the unstable version
[12:28] <El_Che> muscibot: you can upgrade from warty, but it is a development version things change fast and sometimes brake
[12:28] <muscibot> yeah
[12:29] <muscibot> i guess
[12:29] <dredg> so they sometimes brake fast?
[12:29] <membreya> ...i sudo apt-get upgrade at least once a day :)
[12:29] <membreya> always new stuff coming down
[12:29] <AndyFitz> has anyone updated linux-image and or ubuntu-base and restarted their system ?
[12:29] <AndyFitz> in hoary
[12:30] <muscibot> but I cant this mointh...I maight cap
[12:30] <membreya> AndyFitz: ...the new version that came down in the last 24 hours?
[12:30] <AndyFitz> membreya, yep
[12:31] <membreya> ....only got it when I got home ....
[12:31] <membreya> about 1 hr ago
[12:31] <membreya> looking for anything in particular?
[12:31] <AndyFitz> im having some troubles logging back into gnome from gdm
[12:31] <membreya> hmmm ...hang on
[12:32] <federa> let's try squid..
[12:32] <Tsjoklat> wow AndyFitz are you the AndyFitz that makes the icons?
[12:33] <El_Che> last hoary kernel is b0rked when using madwifi
[12:33] <AndyFitz> er i guess so
[12:34] <Tsjoklat> love your work AndyFitz :) thanks for making them
[12:34] <muscibot> i think that Ill wait itill hoary is on cd
[12:34] <muscibot> i cant risk capping cos its a work line
[12:35] <AndyFitz> Tsjoklat,  thanks mate. I'm looking to complete them by alot more in the next 2-3 weeks
[12:35] <muscibot> HUMPH!!!!
[12:35] <muscibot> I cant get java to install
[12:35] <Tsjoklat> AndyFitz, is it true that you are going to make a set for KDE as well?
[12:35] <muscibot> AAAARRG!!!!
[12:36] <AndyFitz> Tsjoklat: yeah once im finished i see no reason not to.. its just renaming files
[12:36] <AndyFitz> but priority 1 is to get them actually done
[12:36] <Tsjoklat> AndyFitz, true.. will be nice for the Kubuntu release
[12:37] <flosch> hi
[12:38] <AndyFitz> cool well this should be done in time for inclusion in hoary so i guess hey could be in kubuntu.   etiquette will be in hoary under the human name / theme. possible with a palette modification
[12:38] <Tsjoklat> AndyFitz, yes I saw the changes you made... still awesome like everything you make
[12:40] <membreya> well rebooted
[12:40] <membreya> my nvidia module won't load anymore >:(
[12:40] <Nermal> :|
[12:41] <membreya> so bye bye tv out
[12:41] <membreya> I blame you
[12:41] <membreya> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.10-3-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format
[12:41] <membreya> Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.10-3-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format
[12:42] <Nermal> what does dmesg say ?
[12:42] <membreya> nvidia: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module
[12:43] <membreya> how to fix? :(
[12:43] <membreya> want my tv out back
[12:43] <El_Che> membreya: boot with the 2.6.10-3 kernel
[12:43] <El_Che> membreya: boot with the 2.6.10-2 kernel I mean
[12:43] <El_Che> the -3 does not work with my wifi either
[12:43] <membreya> works with my wifi
[12:44] <membreya> I don't have -2
[12:44] <membreya> -3 is all I have :(
[12:44] <El_Che> apt-get install the -2
[12:44] <El_Che> should be there
[12:44] <Nermal> urgh
[12:45] <jelte> Hi guys... I'm running ubuntu on an AMD Athlon... would it be worth changing my kernel image to the k7 one? if so, which package in synaptic do i swap to?
[12:46] <membreya> whats wrong Nermal ?
[12:47] <AndyR> jelte, yes :)
[12:48] <Nermal> tired
[12:48] <AndyFitz> membreya,, so everything else is all good ?
[12:48] <Tsjoklat> jelte you would like the k7 package then
[12:48] <AndyFitz> hrm  i wonder how i messed up my gdm login
[12:48] <jelte> AndyR, I thought so ;-)   but there are a few k7 packages.. and a few i386 packages that are all installed...
[12:48] <membreya> AndyFitz: ...I don't use much :) x-chat, gaim are all good :)
[12:48] <jelte> (cant check now, synaptic is busy)
[12:48] <membreya> AndyFitz: is it just not loading?
[12:48] <Tsjoklat> jelte linux-image-2.6.10-3-k7
[12:49] <jelte> Tsjoklat, thanks!  once installed i take it i need to reboot for grub to load the right one?
[12:49] <AndyFitz> its giving me the   " cannot write to xsessions error )  your permissions may be stuffed or your disk is full  blah "
[12:49] <membreya> ouch
[12:49] <Tsjoklat> jelte, you're welcome
[12:51] <AndyFitz> i tried using an older kernel but same error  so i put it down the the ubuntu-base pacakge i upgraded  ( i think it was the only one i changed since the previous reboot
[12:51] <AndyFitz> but i have no idea how that could change this . . considering i thought it was an empty pacakge with just dependencies
[12:51] <jelte> Tsjoklat, uh... i dont have that one... latest i got is linux-image-2.6.8.1-5-k7
[12:51] <shock> hm... is there anything comparable to k3b and/or kile based on gtk+ ?
[12:52] <Tsjoklat> jelte apt-get update
[12:52] <membreya> grrrrr...is there an easier way of getting my nvidia other than rolling back the kernel?
[12:52] <Tsjoklat> jelte, it was just updated
[12:52] <jelte> Tsjoklat, i just did that... i'm still on warty though, are you running hoary?
[12:53] <Tsjoklat> jelte yes I am.. perhaps it is a different version on warty.. but you still need the k7 one
[12:54] <childe> Hello
[12:54] <jelte> Tsjoklat, cool will take the one that i see here
[12:54] <jelte> what is the k7-smp ?
[12:54] <rubixXx> sup
[12:54] <childe> I can not use GLX...
[12:54] <rubixXx> child
[12:55] <jelte> never mind, worked it out ;-)
[12:55] <childe> It's a Nvidia Ti 4200 card, and I installed the glx-nvidia package
[12:55] <rubixXx> sudo glx-nvidia-enable
[12:55] <rubixXx> clt alt backspace to restart x
[12:55] <childe> So I must restart X ? Got it
[12:58] <membreya> grrrr this is annoying..why won't the nvidia driver work now >:(
[12:59] <rubixXx> are there any better w32codecs, the wmv codec sucks
[12:59] <AndyFitz> im gonna go to bed... wake up ... apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and hope everythings all better lol
[12:59] <membreya> heh night AndyFitz ;)
[12:59] <AndyFitz> else im going to have to go outdoors or something crazy like that. :-P
[01:00] <BockBilbo> helo
[01:00] <AndyFitz> night membreya, Tsjoklat , all
[01:00] <BockBilbo> has any of you had problems with gnome-panel on a recent upgrade in hoary????
[01:00] <BockBilbo> :s
[01:00] <membreya> what problems bock?
[01:00] <nomade> hi all
[01:00] <BockBilbo> it happpens that after i upgraded yestertday, everytime i try to open a menu
[01:00] <BockBilbo> ubuntu gets frozen
[01:01] <federa> bye!!
[01:01] <membreya> nope..nothing like that
[01:01] <BockBilbo> and i have to restart
[01:01] <BockBilbo> :S
[01:01] <BockBilbo> sucks
[01:01] <BockBilbo> :(
[01:01] <jelte> right... gonna reboot and see if this k7 image makes much of a diff ;-)   c ya
[01:01] <BockBilbo> i have uninstalled the gnome-panel..
[01:01] <BockBilbo> gonna try installing it again
[01:05] <anti_> with the latest hoary kernels (linux-image-2.6.11-1-686_2.6.11-0.2_i386.deb and linux-image-2.6.10-3-686_2.6.10-17_i386.deb) my system logs lots of "scheduling while atomic: gam_server/0xffffffff/9152" messages and stops working after a short while (5-10 mins).
[01:06] <anti_> should I file a bug with linux-image? or gamin/gam_server? what information will be needed?
[01:07] <El_Che> anti_: I think kernel, with that kernel I got that kernel panic too and my wifi did not work
[01:08] <anti_> it's not strictly a kernel panic.
[01:08] <anti_> but ok. will file.
[01:08] <El_Che> anti_: it resulted in a kernel panic in my case
[01:08] <anti_> ah. i see.
[01:08] <El_Che> after a trillion gam_server errors
[01:08] <membreya> new kernel killed my nvidia >:(
[01:09] <anti_> ah... sounds promising :-)
[01:09] <anti_> someone will have to fix it, thats the good news.
[01:09] <svenl> jbailey: am here.
[01:10] <svenl> arg, don't have the log anymore, i reformatted everything, let me try again.
[01:11] <membreya> El_Che: what do i apt-get to grab the previous kernel?
[01:11] <jbailey> svenl: 'k.
[01:12] <jbailey> svenl: Are you showing me the debootstrap or the apt-get upgrade?
[01:12] <anti_> membreya, with any luck, you got one in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[01:13] <svenl> jbailey: the debootstrap failed.
[01:13] <RainMoods> Good morning
[01:14] <RainMoods> I have to change permissions of a directory and all it's subdirectories... Is there a way to do that?
[01:14] <anti_> chmod -R
[01:14] <Tsjoklat> RainMoods, ubuntuguide.org
[01:14] <RainMoods> yay
[01:14] <RainMoods> Thank you, anti_ and Tsjoklat
[01:14] <jbailey> svenl: Ah, I see.  Yeah, the base Ubuntu system no longer contains an MTA.
[01:14] <Tsjoklat> RainMoods, you're welcome
[01:15] <jbailey> svenl: The general theory being that on a purely desktop system, all an MTA is good for is filling up mail queues that noone will ever read.
[01:15] <jbailey> (with messages a user won't understand)
[01:16] <svenl> jbailey: i did a fresh debian/sarge install with todays sid_d-i, installed debootstrap and chroot, got the warthy script from the warthy debootstrap, copied it to /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts, and ran debootstrap warthy /mnt http://...
[01:16] <membreya> mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660' <--- what the
[01:17] <svenl> jbailey: well, it fails all the same. it tells me something about dpkg_progress not existing, which i replaced by progress, and then it tells me unable to isntall packages, retrying 5 times, for adduser, base-files, and so on.
[01:18] <svenl> jbailey: am doing an install, and will backup the log file and mail it to you or something.
[01:18] <jbailey> svenl: Can you try just changing the sources and doing an apt-get upgrade?
[01:18] <svenl> jbailey: huh ?
[01:18] <svenl> jbailey: from sarge to ubuntu ?
[01:19] <jbailey> svenl: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge
[01:19] <jbailey> svenl: It points out that it's not exactly supported (I beleive that woody to hoary is), but that's how I did my pegasos install.
[01:20] <svenl> jbailey: This is not supported :/
[01:20] <svenl> jbailey: BTW, my other idea was to use grub2 to boot the daily hoary netboot vmlinux + initrd.gz, but i was not really able to setup grub2.
[01:20] <jbailey> svenl: Correct - mostly because there's a risk of not everything being updated.
[01:21] <svenl> I have the grub2 package installed on the debian partition, and did : ./grub-mkimage -d . -o nameofelffile ext2.mod normal.mod linux.mod boot.mod amiga.mod
[01:21] <svenl> well, sort of.
[01:21] <jbailey> svenl: But off of a simple install or debian sarge debootstrap it should be a problem.
[01:21] <Jelte> hi there... i just installed the k7 kernel image, but now my machine wont boot into X anymore ;-(   not even if i select an older kernel image from grub.. checking the X log, it seems it failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module.... should i update something after upgrading the kernel image to k7?
[01:21] <RainMoods> anti_: sudo chmod -R etcetera did the trick. thanks!
[01:21] <El_Che> Jelte: you also need extra packages
[01:21] <svenl> jbailey: i would add a postinst which generates the correct grub-image or something such, not ?
[01:21] <Jelte> El_Che, i was afraid of that ;-)    which ones?
[01:21] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, did you get the linux restricted modules?
[01:22] <jbailey> svenl: Ah, here's the one I was looking for:
[01:22] <Jelte> Tsjoklat, no apt held those back
[01:22] <jbailey> svenl: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-woody
[01:22] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, you need the linux-restricted-modules
[01:22] <El_Che> Jelte: apt-cache search nvidia
[01:22] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, probably because you need to install something with it
[01:22] <svenl> jbailey: i have sarge installed, not woody though.
[01:22] <BockBilbo> i give up
[01:22] <BockBilbo> :s
[01:22] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, are you doing it through terminal or synaptic?
[01:22] <BockBilbo> im gonna reinstall ubunt
[01:22] <jbailey> svenl: YEah, but if you wanted a separate partition, you could debootstrap through woody.
[01:22] <El_Che> Jelte: probably nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-3-k7
[01:23] <Jelte> Tsjoklat, well now through a terminal, since X wont start ;-)    (running IRC from a laptop)
[01:23] <BockBilbo> anyone here knows whats the url for the latest hoary install iso?
[01:23] <El_Che> however the kernelpackage -3 is buggy
[01:23] <El_Che> I reverted to -2
[01:23] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, I have nvidia and I do NOT need the nvidia-glx
[01:23] <jbailey> svenl: If you're doing the current partition, basically do a really minimal install, and do the apt-get upgrade for now.
[01:23] <membreya> ok that was all too freaky!!!!!
[01:23] <Jelte> El_Che, i already have the nvidia-glx
[01:23] <jbailey> svenl: re: grub2, I don't think you should have the -d .  in the command line.
[01:23] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, you should really try to see if your glxgears work before messing with the glx files
[01:23] <Jelte> sounds like i need those restricted modules
[01:23] <El_Che> Jelte: try the restricted modules
[01:23] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, yes
[01:23] <svenl> jbailey: yeah, i removed it, and obviously changed the nameoffile.
[01:24] <svenl> ls is not yet supported, right ?
[01:24] <membreya> when i first rebooted after the new kernel my iso9660 fs wouldnt work and my nvidia module wouldnt load
[01:24] <membreya> rebooted again and it's all working
[01:24] <jbailey> svenl: I will generate it in the postinst.  I was thinking out putting the file as /boot/grub/grub
[01:24] <jbailey> svenl: Tab completion works.
[01:24] <svenl> jbailey: yeah.
[01:24] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, I have k7 kernel plus the restricted modules for k7 and de vidcard works like a charm
[01:24] <jbailey> svenl: If you grab my grub.cfg file out of that directory, you can see what I use to boot.
[01:24] <svenl> jbailey: i used it to point linxu to vmlinuz..., but when i hit boot, it hanged grub2.
[01:25] <Jelte> Tsjoklat, cool.. i'll try that.. i think the latest i can see here is linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1.4-k7
[01:25] <svenl> jbailey: "If you grab my grub.cfg file out of that directory" which dir again ?
[01:25] <jbailey> svenl: That's the vmlinuz that you can boot directly from OF?
[01:25] <jbailey> svenl: I'm booting off the plain vmlinux-2.6.10-3-powerpc from the Ubuntu kernel.
[01:25] <svenl> jbailey: ok.
[01:26] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, it has to match the number of the kernel you got... for example.. 2.6.8 would require those modules.. but 2.6.10 requires the modules accordingly
[01:26] <jbailey> svenl: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/grub2/
[01:26] <jbailey> svenl: That's where I have the package and such.
[01:26] <svenl> jbailey: would be really nice if the ubuntu kernel could include the mkvmlinuz needed files. Do you think you could get it in if i provide you with the stuff.
[01:26] <Jelte> Tsjoklat, yeah, its installing the 2.6.8.1-4 kernel as well...
[01:27] <jbailey> svenl: fabionne is about run away for a couple of weeks, I could try to find someone to ask.
[01:27] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, should work now
[01:27] <Jelte> Tsjoklat, fingers crossed ;-)
[01:27] <svenl> jbailey: ok.
[01:27] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, I am with you :)
[01:27] <svenl> jbailey: i can ask Kamion too.
[01:27] <Jelte> Tsjoklat, hehe.. while that is downloading:  what _is_ the restricted-modules package?
[01:28] <jbailey> I don't think Kamion is on the newly created kernel team.  IIRC from the meeting, there was noone who volunteered for PPC kernels - I don't have enough experience to attempt that.
[01:28] <svenl> jbailey: http://people.debian.org/~luther/ubuntu.log <- log of the failed debootstrap attempt.
[01:28] <svenl> jbailey: what about me doing PPC kernels ?
[01:28] <Tsjoklat> linux-restricted-modules-number
[01:28] <jbailey> svenl: Sounds lovely. =)
[01:28] <svenl> jbailey: well, where do i have to apply for it ?
[01:29] <Jelte> Tsjoklat, yeah but whats in the package?  what kinda of modules?
[01:29] <jbailey> svenl: Checking.
[01:29] <Tsjoklat>  - madwifi (Atheros)
[01:29] <Tsjoklat>  - fglrx (ATI)
[01:29] <Tsjoklat>  - nvidia
[01:29] <Tsjoklat>  - fcdsl, fcdsl2, fcdslsl, fcdslslusb, fcdslusb, fcdslusba, fcpci,
[01:29] <Tsjoklat>    fcpcmcia, fcpcmcia_cs, fcusb, fxusb (AVM ISDN)
[01:29] <Tsjoklat>  - ltmodem (Winmodem)
[01:29] <svenl> jbailey: oh, and i just got access to the austrian quad-power5 box, no virtual machine for me yet though.
[01:29] <Jelte> ah... that would explain things ;-)
[01:29] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, yup :)
[01:30] <jbailey> svenl: Is that the one with Harald Grl?
[01:30] <Jelte> Tsjoklat, odd that it didn't suggest the restricted modules when i installed the kernel...
[01:30] <svenl> jbailey: yep.
[01:30] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, no it is something you 'have' to know
[01:30] <jbailey> svenl: Nice.  I got a username/pass for it too./
[01:30] <svenl> jbailey: hehe.
[01:31] <svenl> jbailey: but for me, until they have the virtual machine licence set up, it is not really all that usefull, i think.
[01:31] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, and I am sorry I should have adviced you to d/l those as well
[01:31] <Jelte> Tsjoklat, well installing the restricted modules, makes sure apt also installs the kernel... would have thought it could do it the other way around too  (although perhaps that would lead into circular dependency land ;-))
[01:31] <membreya> anyone here run twinview on their video card.. I can't stop programs opening up on my TV ..if my TV is off it's annoying!
[01:31] <Jelte> Tsjoklat, no worries
[01:31] <jbailey> svenl: Me neither.  Given the way the Sarge release is going, an Ubuntu partition on there would be more useful to me for hacking glibc (since I'll actually be able to get the changes in on a predictable schedule) and then backport to Debian.
[01:31] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, not really sure.. I tend to build my own kernels.. but I recently had to install the k7 kernel with a client.. hence why I knew
[01:32] <larsrohdin> hi! can I use GAIM to have a voice conversation, with someone who uses MSN messenger?
[01:32] <Tsjoklat> larsrohdin, not that I know of... gnomemeeting?
[01:32] <BockBilbo> where does gnupgp save the private pgp key?
[01:32] <svenl> jbailey: hehe.
[01:32] <larsrohdin> Tsjoklat, ok... is that compatible with MSN?
[01:32] <anti_> BockBilbo, ~/.gnupg/
[01:32] <svenl> jbailey: anyway, did you look at my log ?
[01:33] <El_Che> larsrohdin: no, but with netmeeting
[01:33] <Tsjoklat> larsrohdin, no gnomemeeting is like netmeeting
[01:33] <JoaoMarcus> larsrohdin: there's gaim-vv
[01:33] <jbailey> svenl: Thinking of which, I've been running a gcc compile on this pegasos box.  I'm hunting a segfault in gij and need a version without debug symbols.
[01:33] <BockBilbo> anti_, so if i reinstall ubuntu, i would need to save just that private key, right?
[01:33] <Tsjoklat> larsrohdin, don't think you can
[01:33] <larsrohdin> ok... but is there no program that can speak with msn like that?
[01:33] <JoaoMarcus> I'm not sure it's usable
[01:33] <Jelte> Tsjoklat, wohoo  booted up in X just fine now!  thanks
[01:33] <jbailey> svenl: Given how snappy the UI is, I think I expected compiling to be a bit faster. =)
[01:33] <anti_> BockBilbo, backing up your homedir is always a good idea :-)
[01:33] <Tsjoklat> Jelte, yah! hooray!
[01:34] <BockBilbo> anti_
[01:34] <BockBilbo> ok
[01:34] <membreya> hmmm program is trying to compile and it's looking for wx-config...erm?
[01:34] <jbailey> svenl: I did.  It looks like debootstrap isn't using the newly installed dpkg or something.  (Makes sense for cross-strapping)
[01:34] <svenl> jbailey: so i probably need a ubuntu to do the install.
[01:34] <svenl> jbailey: if i move the daily-hoary-netboot initrd and vmlinux to my boot partition, and install grub2, it should work, not ?
[01:35] <Tsjoklat> larsrohdin, you might want to look into Skype as well
[01:35] <DJ_Vexel> Hey Guys.. quick question if anyone would like to help.  I am using Ubuntu for PowerPC.. in OS X File Transfers are fine in AIM.  But when in Ubuntu, I can't do transfers with Gaim.  Anyone have a quick fix?
[01:35] <El_Che> a new -3 kernel in hoary, that's fast. Maybe this will fix the probs
[01:36] <svenl> jbailey: well, i hear lot of ram should help, and maybe a new non-sucky glibc, which is supposed to speed up things.
[01:36] <jbailey> svenl: Umm, I guess.  I'm trying to remember if the netboot stuff is all contrained in the initrd still.
[01:37] <svenl> jbailey: sure it is, how could it be different.
[01:37] <jbailey> svenl: If your goal is to get it over with, I would just uninstall as much as you can and use apt.
[01:37] <jbailey> svenl: I know that this works and I can step you through it.
[01:37] <svenl> jbailey: the initrd contains everything needed to boot the box upto ...
[01:37] <svenl> jbailey: i have another idea.
[01:37] <svenl> oh well, maybe not.
[01:38] <jbailey> svenl: I'm just not sure that it doesn't rely on a couple debs or udebs sitting on the filesystem.
[01:38] <jbailey> svenl: Almost all of my boxes are in place upgrades from Sarge to Hoary.
[01:38] <svenl> jbailey: no, netboot should work fine, i will try it.
[01:40] <svenl> jbailey: grub2 starts partitions at (hd,1) or (hd,0) ?
[01:41] <jbailey> svenl: 0 - it's using OF number.
[01:41] <BockBilbo> is it posssible to download an hoary installer instead of having to upgrade to hoary from a warty installation?
[01:41] <svenl> ok.
[01:41] <svenl> what do you use for creating the image then ?
[01:42] <jbailey> svenl: grub-mkimage -o /boot/grub/grub amiga ext2 normal
[01:42] <jbailey> svenl: All the rest of the modules I'm picking up with insmod.
[01:46] <acs_> hello
[01:46] <IamJacksUsername> Ubuntu 5.04 array 3.5 live CD i386: Created a folder called "suse" in /home/ubuntu and then ran "mount -r -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /home/ubuntu/suse/" which reports "mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /home/ubuntu/suse/ busy". I can't see hda1 in /mnt/ or (like my usb stick) on the desktop, and I don't know what the "busy" measn. Is my mount command correct?
[01:47] <svenl> jbailey: o, trying it out.
[01:49] <drasko> how can I edit some $variable... Say I want to remove /usr/local from the $PATH?
[01:49] <membreya> i need to get python for the wxwidgets....should i just get common files?
[01:49] <svenl> jbailey: mmm, i am not sure it did work, i am in grub, but there is no menu, and i get the impression that it didn't like loading the modules.
[01:50] <jbailey> type lsmod
[01:50] <mjg59> IamJacksUsername: cat /proc/mounts
[01:51] <svenl> jbailey: and sometimes doing tab simply freezes the interface, oh well.
[01:51] <svenl> insmod has normal, ext2, amiga fshelp.
[01:51] <svenl> wonder about that fshelp.
[01:51] <jbailey> svenl: Oh!  I forgot - you have to tell it where the config file is. =)
[01:51] <jbailey> svenl: They haven't got the autodetection code in yet, so Marco wrote a hack for me to hand it in on the command line.
[01:52] <jbailey> svenl: I boot with "boot hd:0 /boot/grub/grub (hd,0)/boot/grub
[01:52] <svenl> ah ...
[01:52] <jbailey> svenl: Just need to give it the directory for now to set the prefix for where it should find the files.  I'm hoping to get him to change this to be the actual config file so that you could have multiple configs.
[01:53] <svenl> was wondering about that :)
[01:53] <drasko> how can I edit some $variable... Say I want to remove /usr/local from the $PATH?
[01:53] <svenl> euh.
[01:53] <svenl> would that not be :
[01:53] <svenl> boot hd:0 /boot/grub/grub (hd,0)/boot/grub/grub.conf ?
[01:54] <IamJacksUsername> mjg59, I'm at work now not at home where the problem PC is. That shows everything's that mounted right, and where?
[01:54] <jbailey> svenl: Right now you need to tell it the direcotry where the conf is, not the conf itself.
[01:54] <svenl> didn't seem to work.
[01:54] <jbailey> svenl: The problem is that right now he's setting the prefix variable internally, not the config file variable.
[01:55] <svenl> euh.
[01:55] <bob2> drasko: pick one channel and ask there
[01:55] <svenl> didn't work.
[01:55] <bob2> do not ask in #debian and #ubuntu
[01:55] <svenl> am going to load stuff by hand.
[01:56] <drasko> bob2, different channel, different people...
[01:56] <bob2> it's rude and annoying
[01:56] <svenl> Strange, sometimes, my keyboard input just dies.
[01:57] <mjg59> IamJacksUsername: Correct
[01:57] <IamJacksUsername> mjg59, I thought I had to mount my suse harddrive because I read in a Ubuntu live article that the reviewer had to, but I think he mounted a harddisk with Windows. I'll look what the cat command says. Many many thanks
[01:58] <drasko> bob2, it is really not my intetntion to be rude, but dont other people attend those channels? Please, dont be angry, but I think this makes sense...
[01:58] <bob2> yeah, you should totally ask on every distro channel
[02:00] <zzyber> how can i see the version of fglrx?
[02:00] <svenl> Arg, ...
[02:00] <svenl> jbailey: i need to append the root=/dev/ram to the ubuntu kernel, right ?
[02:00] <jbailey> svenl: For the netboot stuff?  err..  It's been so long.  I think so, though.
[02:01] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[02:02] <svenl> jbailey: probbably only because there is rot=/dev/sda2 as defaulty commandline.
[02:03] <jbailey> svenl: No, I hand in root=/dev/hda2 for my booting.
[02:03] <jbailey> svenl: But I don't know about what netboot expects.
[02:04] <svenl> jbailey: when there is no argument at all, then the default cmdline, as used per kernel config file option is used. And this one is root=/dev/sda2, and thus overrides the debian-installer magic for not needing to set root=/dev/ram
[02:04] <da_bon_bon> is it safe to remove linux-386 if i use linux-686 only ?
[02:04] <svenl> same happens on prep hardware.
[02:04] <membreya> damn twinview...stop opening programs on my TV!!
[02:05] <svenl> jbailey: you didn't tell me who i have to contact for the ubuntu-powerpc-kernel-maintainer stuff ?
[02:05] <bob2> da_bon_bon: yes
[02:06] <zzyber> i dont understand this driver thing with fglrx?? Does fglrx module really provide my linux box with 3d? If i read description for xorg-driver-fglrx it says This package provides 2D display drivers and hardware accelerated OpenGL.
[02:06] <jbailey> svenl: I haven't figured it out yet.  I've poked fabbionne, since it looks like he's still here.
[02:06] <jbailey> svenl: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam
[02:06] <svenl> jbailey: hehe, i guess he has other things on his mind though :)
[02:07] <jbailey> svenl: I imagine so. =)
[02:07] <bob2> zzyber: yes, that's all it does.  opengl is a standard interface for 3d cards.
[02:07] <svenl> ah ...
[02:08] <zzyber> bob2, so hardware accelerated OpenGL is the same as 3d?
[02:08] <bob2> no
[02:08] <bob2> but what you're asking for is hardware accelerated 3d
[02:08] <bob2> you already have "3d" support in software, but it's slow
[02:09] <aurax> ello
[02:09] <svenl> yep, i am in ...
[02:09] <svenl> trying a clean install now ...
[02:11] <svenl> jbailey: Mmm, no marvell gigabit ethernet driver in the installer initrd ...
[02:12] <jbailey> svenl: I think the other one is there, though.
[02:12] <svenl> yep.
[02:13] <svenl> jbailey: mmm, the module is there, but there are a couple unresolved symbols in it. MV_WRITE, MV_SET_REG_BITS, MV_READ.
[02:13] <svenl> oh well.
[02:13] <jbailey> svenl: Would you mind popping that into bugzilla?
[02:13] <da_bon_bon> did anyone get bootsplash working on hoary ?
[02:14] <svenl> jbailey: well.
[02:14] <svenl> jbailey: i have no bugzilla account yet.
[02:14] <svenl> jbailey: you can use the ubuntu kernel with the gige ethernet port on your installed system ?
[02:14] <jbailey> svenl: They're free you know... ;)
[02:15] <jbailey> svenl: Hmm, I thought I had an eth1, but that may have only been with your 2.6.8 kernel.
[02:15] <tsjubu> whats the latest kernel in hoary?
[02:15] <svenl> yeah, i guess fabbione didn't add the right driver or something such.
[02:15] <svenl> need to fix this.
[02:15] <Nermal> tsjubu, 2.6.10 iirc
[02:16] <da_bon_bon> tsjubu: 2.6.10-17
[02:16] <tsjubu> ok
[02:16] <tsjubu> yesterday i had a upgrade to 2.6.10.3
[02:17] <tsjubu> and today one more time the same
[02:17] <da_bon_bon> hey, how do i know whether udev is working or no in hoary ? on startup it says "mounting a tmpfs over /dev" thats why i have doubts
[02:17] <tsjubu> how is it possible?
[02:17] <sladen> da_bon_bon: we'lll see about something
[02:17] <svenl> how well, failed. i guess the hoary netboot kernel disagrees with the modules in the archive :/
[02:17] <da_bon_bon> POLL: Who is still on warty, and why ?
[02:18] <Timmey> me is on warty
[02:18] <Timmey> because I've just installed it...
[02:18] <Timmey> :D
[02:19] <dredg> hmm. anyone using the address book applet and find that the type-in box won't take focus?
[02:20] <svenl> jbailey: oh fun, it tells me invalif module format when insmoding modules from .udebs.
[02:20] <svenl> will try to load the stuff from a disk iso.
[02:20] <jbailey> svenl: You should you don't want to just use apt?
[02:20] <jbailey> svenl: I swear it's less work than this.
[02:21] <dredg> ok, it will take focus if i drag it to another panel.. then if it loses focus it won't take it again
[02:21] <svenl> jbailey: because ideally i want hoary supported on the pegasos 2 once it is released.
[02:22] <peregil> Hi, somebody with ubuntu in a laptop?
[02:23] <Nermal> yup
[02:23] <jbailey> svenl: Hmm.  What will be needed to boot a CD?
[02:25] <peregil> nobody?
[02:25] <svenl> jbailey: that i fix OF to get yaboot support.
[02:26] <mgedmin> peregil, ubuntu: check, laptop: check
[02:26] <svenl> jbailey: but actually, i only need to copy the vmlinux and initrd.gz to somewhere accessible by grub2, and that's it.
[02:26] <svenl> jbailey: let's test if grub2 can do iso9660 access :)
[02:26] <peregil> mgedmin, where can i check it?
[02:27] <Nermal> peregil, I said "yup"
[02:27] <jbailey> svenl: I don't see a modules for iso9660fs.
[02:27] <mgedmin> peregil, check what?
[02:27] <Nermal> peregil, you must be not be english - yup = yes
[02:27] <Nermal> I have ubuntu on a laptop
[02:28] <jbailey> svenl: when I see Marco on next, I can ask him if he's got an iso9660 hack lying around.
[02:28] <peregil> Nermal, sorry, I'm not english native speaker and did not understand "yup"
[02:28] <Nermal> no problem :)
[02:28] <svenl> jbailey: yep. i will probably ask him too.
[02:28] <svenl> jbailey: notice that thursday and friday, i will go on a OF hacking tour, and want to fix yaboot and grub2 then.
[02:28] <peregil> Nermal, which laptop do you have?
[02:29] <Nermal> Sony vaio SR31K
[02:29] <jbailey> svenl: Yay!
[02:29] <peregil> Nermal, I'm with xorg an have problems with the third level characters
[02:30] <peregil> Nermal, I've an acer aspire 1300
[02:31] <Nermal> what do you mean "3rd level characters?"
[02:31] <selinium_> HI all, a newbie with a question. I have installed xmame with synaptic Package manager, but I cant find it! Where has it gone!
[02:31] <svenl> jbailey: i will fix the enter/go issue, but tell me any other issue you may think of (per mail maybe ?)
[02:31] <svenl> jbailey: mmm, can't find hoary installer isos ...
[02:32] <tritium> fabbione, are you planning a 2.6.10-19 to fix up nvidia?
[02:32] <kahuna_> Hi
[02:32] <peregil> Nermal, which xkbmodel have you chosen?
[02:32] <Nermal> umm gb I imagine
[02:32] <jbailey> svenl: I'll poke Marco.  He thinks that with his patch he ought to be able to load any arbitrary sized initrd, but it doesn't seem to be the case.  I don't know if it's an OF bug.
[02:33] <cblack> lo folks
[02:33] <svenl> jbailey: it indeed is.
[02:33] <peregil> Nermal, I mean the characters that you usually get with the "alt gr" key pressed
[02:33] <kahuna_> Does ubuntu have a net install?
[02:33] <svenl> jbailey: well, the limit is at 8MB or so.
[02:33] <bob2> kahuna_: you can install over pxe, yeah
[02:33] <jbailey> svenl: It currently dies at 4.  Is the 8mb limit permanent?
[02:34] <kahuna_> Hmm. How about with a boot disk or a minimal CD like debian?
[02:34] <svenl> jbailey: well.
[02:34] <svenl> jbailey: no, it depends how he loads the image.
[02:34] <krism> gah
[02:34] <krism> my cron is in the wrong timezone
[02:34] <svenl> err the initrd.
[02:34] <jbailey> svenl: He didn't understand what you meant about malloc-over-claim
[02:35] <jbailey> svenl: But it would be really nice to get rid of those size limits for as many ppc systems as possible.  I'd still like to aim for the integrated initramfs with all the drivers in it.
[02:35] <krism> when i tell it to do something at 1200 and 1400 hours, it does them at 1700 and 1900
[02:35] <svenl> jbailey: the problem is that when loading it, and uncompressing the stuff, you may run into some area used for something else.
[02:35] <MobyTurbo> kahuna_, Ubuntu is fairly small though, only one ISO
[02:35] <krism> (it appears to be in GMTR, while the rest of my system is in EST)
[02:35] <svenl> jbailey: i was thinking of an inteligent wrapper above claim or something such. you tell it you want XMB, and it gets them to you.
[02:36] <membreya> tritium: what's wrong with nvidia?
[02:36] <kahuna_> I agree. I just have too many CDs already :)
[02:36] <svenl> oh well, 40 minutes to download the iso.
[02:36] <jbailey> svenl: Would that be portable to other ppc arch's to avoid the size limits there?
[02:37] <tritium> membreya, latest kernel update (2.6.10-18) can't load nvidia module
[02:37] <svenl> jbailey: i don't know. claim and the available stuff is a chrp standard, so IBM and apple chrp should be portable yes.
[02:37] <membreya> i noticed ... i had to roll back :(
[02:37] <svenl> not 100% sure though.
[02:37] <membreya> it nearly killed me ....only just got tv out working :P
[02:37] <tritium> membreya, me too.  I had to boot into my old 2.6.10-2 kernel
[02:38] <tritium> and I don't have the new polypaudio working yet either
[02:38] <jbailey> svenl: Nice!
[02:38] <membreya> what's polypaudio do ?
[02:38] <svenl> jbailey: provided they implement this functionality bugfree.
[02:38] <tritium> membreya, replaces esound
[02:39] <svenl> jbailey: it may probably even work on sparcs.
[02:39] <tritium> membreya, this morning ubuntu-desktop was held back because it would remove esound and install polypaudio in its place
[02:40] <tritium> I went ahead and dist-upgraded, and now I can't use rhythmbox
[02:40] <membreya> aah ok :)
[02:40] <membreya> hmmm ....know of a good program to burn divx to dvd?
[02:43] <kahuna_> membreya: You mean convert divx to mpeg2
[02:43] <membreya> meaning take a divx file ...and burn it directly to a full dvd like nero does in windows
[02:43] <selinium_> HI all, a newbie with a question. I have installed xmame with synaptic Package manager, but I cant find it! Where has it gone!
[02:43] <kahuna_> You'll have to transocde the video first.
[02:44] <membreya> bugger
[02:44] <kahuna_> Nero does that on the fly, and I'm not aware of any linux app that does that
[02:45] <kahuna_> K3B comes the closest to Nero in my opinion, but no mpeg2 yet.
[02:45] <membreya> k3b loads with lots of bugs on my system..well lots of error msgs
[02:46] <scizzo> IMHO it would be cool if there was options to be able to add components to nautilus-burn or something
[02:46] <bob2> memsleep: please turn that off
[02:46] <memsleep> soz ;)
[02:47] <shock> can someone please tell me the deb line for the marillat packages?
[02:47] <shock> to go into sources.list?
[02:48] <cblack> ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html has them
[02:48] <da_bon_bon> anyone got realplayer 10 working great on hoary ?
[02:48] <cblack> whoo, the 2.6.10 kernel got fixed in hoary last night.
[02:49] <tritium> cblack, nvidia?
[02:49] <cblack> tritium, no. the issue where it would lock up upon login cause the abi was broken.
[02:50] <tritium> cblack, oh, okay.  It also fixed nvidia too :)
[02:50] <da_bon_bon> cblack: the 386 or 686 one ?
[02:50] <da_bon_bon> the bloody 686 kernel cracshes a lot!
[02:50] <cblack> da_bon_bon, 686.
[02:50] <da_bon_bon> cblack: updated today and it crashes like hell
[02:51] <cblack> da_bon_bon, i haven't had any crashes thankfully. though i've only been running it for an hour or so.
[02:51] <da_bon_bon> how do i remove older kernels like 2.6.8-3-386 and all ?
[02:52] <cblack> same way you remove any other package
[02:52] <tritium> da_bon_bon, apt-get remove or dpkg -r
[02:52] <da_bon_bon> cblack: if i do apt-get remove l;inux-386 all will be rmeoved.
[02:52] <dejavu> ppl ... how can i set  Xamian , the mail checker for my hotmail and gmail accounts ? what are the required settings ?
[02:53] <dejavu> ppl ... how can i set  Xamian , the mail checker for my hotmail and gmail accounts ? what are the required settings ?
[02:54] <Zotnix> Hrm. On distrowatch the top hits for a distro in the last month is Ubuntu.
[02:54] <Zotnix> :D
[02:54] <Zotnix> Past 3 months Ubuntu comes second.
[02:54] <da_bon_bon> tritium: if i do apt-get remove l;inux-386 all will be rmeoved.
[02:55] <tritium> da_bon_bon, are you asking me or telling me?
[02:57] <tritium> da_bon_bon, remove the specific kernel packages you want removed.  linux-386 just depends on the kernel and restricted-modules packages.
[02:58] <da_bon_bon> tritium: ok, thanks.
[02:58] <da_bon_bon> gotta go update
[02:58] <da_bon_bon> bye all
[03:01] <dejavu> ppl ... how can i set  Xamian , the mail checker for my hotmail and gmail accounts ? what are the required settings ?
[03:02] <dejavu> does anyone uses MLdonkey ?
[03:02] <BeTa> yop ppl
[03:03] <BeTa> how is cpu frequency managed on ubuntu-ppc ? is that pbbuttonsd ?
[03:06] <tritium> randabis, you said you're using polypaudio, right?
[03:12] <free> is anybody over here, who has solved "restricted-modules" problem after upgrade?
[03:12] <tritium> free, what problem?
[03:13] <krism> .ignore
[03:13] <krism> blast
[03:14] <free> tritium:  I cannot upgrade linux-restricted-modules
[03:14] <tritium> free, which kernel do you have installed?
[03:15] <free> tritium: 2.6.8.1-5-686 #1 Sat Feb 12
[03:17] <tritium> free, and what error do you get when trying to install l-r-m?
[03:18] <sergiusens> question.... has anyone installed kde on ubuntu and why did you?
[03:19] <haggai> sergiusens: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[03:19] <Zhukov_> hi there
[03:20] <Zhukov_> anyone managed to use a bootsplash with hoary?
[03:20] <tritium> Zhukov_, I'm waiting for usplash
[03:20] <Zhukov_> :S Did the tutorials and the only thing changing was the resolution of the booting messages
[03:21] <website> is there a gnutella client for ubuntu?
[03:22] <Nermal> is tomboy in ubuntu ?
[03:22] <snowblink> website: gtk-gnutella
[03:22] <snowblink> Nermal: in hoary
[03:22] <Nermal> :)
[03:22] <Nermal> no beagle yet though I see.. though all the dependencies are there
[03:22] <website> snowblink, gtk-gnutella by repo is outdated at 0.93
[03:22] <website> now to work we need 0.95
[03:22] <dutch> Nermal: afternoon
[03:22] <Nermal> lo dutch
[03:22] <snowblink> website: you can get 0.95 deb from their website and dpkg it
[03:22] <Zhukov_> hunf
[03:22] <Zhukov_> will try it again...
[03:23] <Nermal> website, 0.95 is in hoary, but it doesn't seem to have an executable :|
[03:23] <njan> ok.. why, every time I load up a drawer/nautilus window with shortcuts in it do I get a popup box for each item in it which is using a 'themed' icon, saying icon not found..
[03:23] <website> snowblink, why do not add it into the repo?
[03:23] <njan> ..in spite of the fact that the icons that those objects are set to exist, and it's displaying them?
[03:23] <free> tritium: synaptics says that it's not installable
[03:23] <njan> has something recently been changed in hoary?.. because this suddenly started about 2 days ago. <erm>
[03:23] <snowblink> website: warty is frozen - only security updates
[03:23] <website> snowblink, i'm in hoary
[03:24] <free> tritium: the same  question is also asked in formus
[03:24] <jacquesmerde> hey, can someone tell me if nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server come in the standard ubuntu install? are these just deb packages? where is the log/list of all installed packages kept? thanks
[03:25] <froust> I think I've buggered up my hostname somehow - I'm getting this error "<hostname> : Feb 12 15:28:28 : liam : unable to lookup <hostname> via gethostbyname()
[03:25] <sergiusens> haggai, thanks
[03:26] <website> what are the differencies between packages supported by canonical and not ? (since they seems to be in the same repo)
[03:26] <randabis> damn
[03:26] <randabis> no usplash will be in hoary :/
[03:27] <froust> any ideas?
[03:27] <tritium> randabis, what did you read?
[03:27] <snowblink> froust: on what happened or how to reset your hostname?
[03:28] <tritium> randabis, did you say you had polypaudio working?
[03:28] <Zhukov_> i think i found out how to easily add a spash screen
[03:28] <randabis> tritium, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals
[03:28] <website> Nermal, excuse me, but now seems that 0.95 is in hoary (last week it was 0.93) another issue: that package works with debian menu package, so there should be not any line in the men about gtk-gnutella....
[03:28] <Zhukov_> ill try...hope it doesn (/%/&%) my ubuntu
[03:28] <randabis> tritium, yes, I have polypaudio working
[03:28] <froust> snowblink: i know what happened... i was screwing with my hostname :P
[03:28] <froust> it'd be nice to know how to fix the error though
[03:29] <snowblink> froust: cat /etc/hostname
[03:29] <tritium> randabis, what must you do post-install to get it to actually replace esound as advertised?
[03:29] <randabis> Zhukov_, in theory fbsplash can work with it...I've had bootsplash working with it too, but I was hoping for something userspace like usplash is going to be...
[03:29] <froust> heh.. .nuff said.
[03:29] <website> randabis, for usplash look also at: http://81.113.230.186/kalatlug/phpwiki/index.php/UsplashHowDoesItWork
[03:29] <randabis> tritium, edit the config file
[03:29] <froust> what is the correct syntax for my /etc/hosts file?
[03:30] <randabis> website, read that already
[03:30] <froust> (just for the local host)
[03:30] <randabis> tritium, you have to make sure it is using alsa
[03:30] <website> randabis, we are working on that :-)
[03:30] <tritium> randabis, do I use the multimedia systems selector to choose alsa also?
[03:30] <Zhukov_> randabis, ill try what ive done...if it doesn work ill try it :D
[03:31] <Zhukov_> wish me luck
[03:31] <Zhukov_> Here I GO!
[03:31] <randabis> tritium, then that's about it...you leave multimedia systems as esd
[03:31] <tritium> randabis, well, I'll take a look at the config files installed today.
[03:31] <randabis> website, who is we...daniels said usplash has been set back to post hoary
[03:32] <website> randabis, daniels is not alone in that development
[03:33] <jacquesmerde> hey, can someone tell me if nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server come in the standard ubuntu install? are these just deb packages? where is the log/list of all installed packages kept? thanks
[03:33] <randabis> website, perhaps not, but that doesn't change the fact that usplash's status has been changed to post-hoary
[03:34] <ago73> Hi
[03:34] <randabis> I'd love to see it make it still, but from what daniels said there's a lot of work to still be don
[03:34] <ago73> I am trying to help a friend who has some problem installing ubuntu
[03:34] <SiRrUs> whats the differebce between the kernels 2.6.10-3-686-smp and 2.6.10-3-686
[03:34] <randabis> damn my infernal typing this monring
[03:34] <ago73> Apparently his installation gets stucked after language selection
[03:34] <randabis> SiRrUs, smp is multiprocessor
[03:34] <ago73> What is are possible solutions?
[03:34] <SiRrUs> thankyou
[03:35] <LinuxJones> SiRrUs, have you done an install from that cd before, it sounds like a bad cd/burn or the cd has some dirt on it.
[03:35] <froust> can anyone tell me the correct way to change my hostname? do i just have to change it in /etc/hosts?
[03:36] <SiRrUs> LinuxJones what are you talking about??
[03:36] <LinuxJones> SiRrUs, sorry that was meant for ago73
[03:36] <SiRrUs> :)
[03:36] <LinuxJones> :)
[03:36] <randabis> /etc/hosts should be all you need to edit froust
[03:36] <SiRrUs> i just did a dist-uograde and the 686-smt kernel was installed
[03:36] <randabis> ago73, his cd might be bad
[03:36] <SiRrUs> damm my spelling
[03:37] <froust> and the syntax would be 127.0.0.1 hostname.domainname alias?
[03:37] <randabis> SiRrUs, hmmm
[03:37] <SiRrUs> its working tho :)
[03:37] <ago73> LinuxJones apparently my friend tried with a second cd
[03:38] <snowblink> froust: set your hostname in /etc/hostname, and edit your hosts file: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost yourhostname
[03:38] <LinuxJones> ago73, check the md5sum on the .iso and compare it to the one on the website
[03:38] <ago73> LinuxJones Can it be something realted to acpi or similar? Or maybe the language?
[03:38] <froust> snowblink: ahh... that's what i was doing wrong
[03:38] <ago73> LinuxJones thanks
[03:39] <LinuxJones> ago73, it has all the characteristics of a bad burn/cd but you never know :P
[03:39] <froust> 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost
[03:39] <froust>                     yourhostname
[03:39] <froust> whoops
[03:39] <zhukov_> gad damn it
[03:39] <zhukov_> anyone knows how to add the panel with the nick names in xchat?
[03:39] <zhukov_> it disappeared
[03:40] <zhukov_> randabis, you were talking...
[03:40] <froust> I'm also getting an error setting my locale - how can i fix this?
[03:40] <krism> anybody know anything about acpi suspend on centrino laptops?
[03:40] <zhukov_> krism, what?
[03:40] <krism> (on mine, it successfully suspends - but it cant wake up. it powers back up, but the screen stays blank and it ignores me
[03:41] <krism> e.g. typing alt-ctrl-del doesnt do anything, etc
[03:41] <zhukov_> krism, hoary here and it's working wonderfull
[03:41] <krism> zhukov_ : you have centrino, i assume? :)
[03:41] <zhukov_> the battery lasts longer than in win
[03:41] <zhukov_> yes yes ;D
[03:41] <LinuxJones> zhukov_, more the mouse near the right hand side of the screen when it turns into the 2 arrows <> click and move left
[03:41] <krism> hmm, ill dist-upgrade tonight and check it out
[03:42] <zhukov_> i did...still the same
[03:42] <zhukov_> krism, i tell you, wonderfull
[03:42] <zhukov_> there is only one problem
[03:42] <zhukov_> the wireless thing
[03:42] <wdh> does anyone have any experience using speech recognition to perform commands in any desktop environment? iirc perlbox should do the job for KDE using sphinx-2, are there any equivalents for gnome?
[03:42] <zhukov_> it always saying you have 80-90% signal
[03:42] <ago73> LinuxJones how do you ckeck md5 for a cdrom? I know how to do it for an .iso
[03:42] <wdh> s\perlbox\perlbox voice
[03:43] <krism> zhukov_ : hmm, i havent noticed that, but on the other hand, ive used the wireless maybe twice
[03:43] <LinuxJones> ago73, don't you have the .iso available ?
[03:43] <zhukov_> oh, and expect some sound troubles...i've solved them all, will write a tut now
[03:44] <LinuxJones> ago73, I think you would have to actually make another .iso file of the cd then check again
[03:44] <zhukov_> so far my only troubles:
[03:44] <zhukov_> - add a bootsplash
[03:44] <zhukov_> - add  the user list in xchat
[03:44] <krism> zhukov_ : i havent had any.. except having to disable the "external amp"
[03:44] <krism> or are you not talking to me?
[03:44] <zhukov_> :) yes
[03:44] <zhukov_> In hoary i was almost soundless
[03:44] <krism> oohhh
[03:44] <krism> now it makes sense. :)
[03:45] <krism> ill back up the system using g4u beforehand :)
[03:45] <krism> sleep would be nice, but not at the cost of anything else. kinda low on my list, due to the fact that im almost always plugged in
[03:45] <krism> doh, bbiaf
[03:46] <tritium> randabis, would you mind sending me your polypaudio config file?
[03:46] <Diegote> Hi all
[03:46] <shock> urks... how do i get to burn an ubuntu-iso under osx ?
[03:46] <shock> O_o
[03:47] <zhukov_> hey look, guys, i dont have a userlist, so i want to talk with someone I said i will if the bootsplash thing didnt work...
[03:48] <zhukov_> Can that someone talk to me :P
[03:48] <Diegote> I would like to build a custom hoary-live... in the wiki it says I should use a ubuntu 2.6.9 kernel... Why is that? Do I really have to install Ubuntu or can I build the live-cd using my current Debian installation?
[03:49] <froust> assuming i only use a standard english keyboard, what locales would i go with? US & GB?
[03:51] <jacquesmerde> hey, i just did a dist-upgrade from 0.7 and i've lost synaptic!!! where did it go???
[03:51] <Div> hi all, where do i start setting up a web server on ubuntu, what should i read, what should i do or not do? thanks in advance
[03:52] <jacquesmerde> hey, i just did a dist-upgrade from 0.7 and i've lost synaptic!!! where did it go???
[03:53] <tritium> jacquesmerde, no need to repeat yourself
[03:54] <jacquesmerde> tritium, i humbly apologise. but you should be more sensitive to my most unusual stutter
[03:55] <socketbind> howdy, where can I fetch the kernel headers for the kernel 2.6.8.1-3-386? it isn't in the repository only the 2.6.7 series
[03:55] <socketbind> i don't get it why it isn't there
[03:55] <socketbind> i need the kernel headers to build vmmon module for vmware
[03:55] <tritium> socketbind, the package begins with linux-headers
[03:56] <socketbind> okay tritium but i only see 2.6.7 versions
[03:56] <socketbind> i need headers for 2.6.8.1-3-386
[03:56] <Diegote> jacquesmerde: Sorry, but I can't help asking: Is really Merde your last name?
[03:56] <socketbind> or maybe i should downgrade?
[03:56] <tritium> socketbind, the package is there in the repos
[03:57] <randabis> tritium, I'd have to boot ubuntu...I'm hanging out in gentoo atm
[03:57] <randabis> wait...nvm
[03:57] <randabis> I'll just mount the ubuntu root real quick
[03:57] <tritium> randabis, only if it's not too much trouble
[03:57] <randabis> mounted :p
[03:57] <socketbind> sorry tritium but i doesn't see any kernel-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386 which should be the correct or in which repository is what i need
[03:58] <randabis> one sec
[03:58] <socketbind> i have 2.6.8.1-3-386 version of the kernel, should I downgrade?
[03:58] <tritium> socketbind, warty-security
[03:59] <socketbind> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted?
[03:59] <jacquesmerde> Diegote: no merde is not my surname. jacques is not my first name. je ne sais pas parler jacques merde en francais
[03:59] <tritium> socketbind, yes
[04:00] <socketbind> well sorry but there isn't headers for the 2.6.8 series, do you have them there?
[04:00] <randabis> tritium, if this doesn't work I'll post it at pastebin
[04:00] <socketbind> there are just for 2.7 and 2.4.26
[04:00] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hi
[04:00] <krism> socketbind 2.7?!
[04:00] <froust> i should really stop "fixing" things that aren't broken.
[04:00] <Diegote> jacquesmerde: ok :D
[04:00] <tritium> randabis, perhaps that is better.
[04:00] <tritium> thanks
[04:01] <LinuxJones> froust, what's wrong with your locales ?
[04:01] <froust> setting them fails. i think i set them to CA (being canadian) when i should've just left them as US
[04:01] <randabis> tritium, http://www.pastebin.com/242070
[04:01] <froust> and i'm not sure how to make them go back
[04:02] <tritium> randabis, thank you kindly
[04:02] <LinuxJones> froust, why do you want to change them mine is set to Canadian and is working fine ?
[04:02] <randabis> np
[04:03] <zhukov_> Try again...
[04:03] <froust> i get a bunch of "setting locale failed" errors mailed to me every day
[04:03] <LinuxJones> froust, dpkg-reocnfigure locales errors out ?
[04:03] <froust> no, that works.
[04:03] <LinuxJones> froust, bah dpkg-reconfigure locales
[04:03] <LinuxJones> froust, when does it give you errors ?
[04:04] <froust> it mails them to me from cron.d
[04:04] <jacquesmerde> hey is a dist-upgrade from 0.7 to 0.8 SUPPOSED to break snyaptic and aptitude?
[04:05] <randabis> jacquesmerde, you never can tell with hoary
[04:05] <randabis> that's the nature of a development release
[04:05] <larsrohdin> does ubuntu use xfree or x.org?
[04:05] <jacquesmerde> randabis, suddenly it says it cant find libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5
[04:05] <froust> larsrohdin: hoary uses xorg, warty uses xfree
[04:05] <jacquesmerde> larsrohdin: x.org
[04:06] <larsrohdin> ok... i use warty now, will it be a lot better with x.org then? i read somewhere that for ati-users x.org is better.. is that true?
[04:06] <Div>  hi all, where do i start setting up a web server on ubuntu?
[04:06] <LinuxJones> froust, I would copy the exact error and do a search on google....you using Warty ?
[04:07] <froust> larsrohdin: from my experience (64 bit) the ati linux experience is a bit... rocky
[04:07] <froust> LinuxJones: did that... everything was kind of vague... i'm new to linux.
[04:07] <tritium> Div, try "apt-get install apache2-doc" for documentation
[04:07] <larsrohdin> froust, yeah i now... i dont use 64bits... but i could never get tv-out working... im waiting for x.org to give it a try.
[04:07] <LinuxJones> froust, your runnign warty or hoary ?
[04:07] <froust> hoary
[04:07] <larsg> hi.. i run warty and i have the problem with 'sound juicer': When I start the program, it just says that it couldn't find a cdrom drive, and then it exits. Can anyone help? please...
[04:08] <LinuxJones> froust, have you checked the mailing lists/ forums ?
[04:08] <tritium> Div, basically, "sudo apt-get install apache2" will install what you need to get started.
[04:09] <Div> thanks tritium
[04:09] <froust> yup... locales wasn't installed for some reason, so i installed it, just hte CA locales are set (what is the diff between CA and US?
[04:10] <randabis> jacquesmerde, you might wanna file a bug
[04:11] <LinuxJones> froust, not much just a few grammical things
[04:11] <froust> ahh... locales wasn't installed at first... should it have been?
[04:12] <LinuxJones> froust, it wasn't installed ?
[04:12] <froust> it said it was broken or not installed
[04:12] <polli> hi, I've put in another network card into my computer.. but it hasn't added an eth1 how do I add that?
[04:12] <LinuxJones> froust, ohhh
[04:13] <tritium> randabis, I see a bug was filed against polypaudio today.  I'll see what happens with that.
[04:13] <Schaap> Hi, can i use debian sites with apt-get in ubuntu
[04:13] <Schaap> or just ubuntu files
[04:13] <Schaap> erm sites
[04:14] <LinuxJones> Schaap, stick with ubuntu repos
[04:14] <jacquesmerde> randabis: i'd love to file a bug...how would i pinpoint the bug? in the meantime, can i roll back my dist-upgrade? or do i have to do a new fresh install
[04:14] <polli> any ideas anyone?
[04:14] <krism> polli : do you see the eth card in dmesg?
[04:14] <polli> krism: no, only eth0
[04:15] <krism> polli : it may be as simple as adding an appropriate entry in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:15] <LinuxJones> polli, what kind of card is it ?
[04:15] <krism> polli : i mean, do you see the CARD in 'dmesg,' not do you see 'eth1'
[04:15] <froust> LinuxJones: oooh what?
[04:16] <polli> krism: done that and I don't see it :/
[04:16] <polli> LinuxJones: RealTek
[04:16] <LinuxJones> froust, it's probably a broken package by the sounds of it
[04:16] <polli> 8139too
[04:16] <LinuxJones> polli, lspci -v and get the model
[04:16] <krism> shouldn't ubuntu auto recognize that?
[04:16] <LinuxJones> polli, ok modprobe 8139t00
[04:17] <froust> LinuxJones: i removed it and reinstalled... do i need to logout/login for it to take effect?
[04:17] <polli> LinuxJones: the other card is also a realtek
[04:17] <LinuxJones> krism, it should I have one and the installer found it just fine
[04:17] <polli> :)
[04:17] <LinuxJones> froust, yeah
[04:17] <polli> but both showed up in the lspci -v
[04:17] <krism> LinuxJones right, but he added it to a functioning system
[04:17] <krism> polli : type "modprobe 8193t00" as root
[04:17] <LinuxJones> polli, network-admin and add it
[04:18] <froust> LinuxJones: thanks
[04:18] <LinuxJones> froust, gl hope it works :P
[04:18] <Xappe> hmm, so they're going for polypaudio now instead of esound
[04:19] <Xappe> that's probably nice
[04:19] <ewhitten> anyone here have luck with an amd64 system and ndiswrapper'ed wireless cards?
[04:19] <froust> i'm remote right now, and logged in at home so i won't know till i get home
[04:19] <LinuxJones> heh
[04:20] <ewhitten> okay, a different question:  is there an audigy2 platinum in the house? ;)
[04:20] <peregil> hi, somebody with an acer aspire?
[04:21] <ago73> Hoary stucked when nautilus starts (it only happened after apt-get upgrade today)
[04:21] <ago73> Any idea?
[04:21] <polli> LinuxJones: it doesn't show up in network-admin
[04:22] <LinuxJones> polli, can you click on the add button and follow the instructions
[04:23] <warty> I don't have a ubuntu cd. But my computer is netboot capable. Is there a server that will allow me to netboot an install of ubuntu?
[04:23] <membreya> is someone able to give me some guidelines regarding optimizing xorg.conf with an nvidia card?
[04:23] <polli> LinuxJones: what add-button?
[04:23] <LinuxJones> polli, in network-admin there is an add button on the right
[04:24] <polli> LinuxJones: wtf, what version are you using? :)
[04:24] <ago73> Is anybody having problems with Hoary after doing apt-get upgrade? My nautilus now jams the pc.
[04:25] <ago73> I need an hardboot :(
[04:25] <LinuxJones> polli, I am using warty what are you using ?
[04:25] <polli> LinuxJones: hoary
[04:25] <tritium> ago73, what kind of problems?
[04:25] <LinuxJones> polli, I don't dknow what they have done in Hoary with that
[04:25] <MeMa|Sorcerer> re
[04:26] <ago73> tritium, after upgrade whenever I run nautilus pc is completely jammed no keyboard no mouse. I have to do an hard reboot
[04:26] <tritium> ago73, no, haven't seen that
[04:26] <ficusplanet> Hey.  Does anyone know how I could make my menus semi-transparent using composite/xcompmgr?
[04:26] <polli> LinuxJones: I'll try with an other network card so long..
[04:26] <LinuxJones> polli, GL
[04:26] <polli> LinuxJones: I'll probably be back :)
[04:28] <Nire-work> I'm using ubnutu on a mac g3 with a 21 inch sony monitor, wondering if there is a way to crank it up past 60Hz for the refresh rate... gnome wont let me
[04:28] <Nermal> is there a web interface that allows me to search for a package in ubuntu ?
[04:29] <membreya> just curious....in xorg.conf...what's the dri for and why do most guides tell me to comment it out ?
[04:29] <sime_> will ubuntu work without a swap partition ?
[04:29] <membreya> Nire-work: you'll need to edit your xorg.conf (if you're running hoary)
[04:29] <Nermal> sime_, if you have enough ram
[04:29] <LinuxJones> sime_, depending on how much ram you have but a swap is always a good idea
[04:30] <Nire-work> MeMa|Sorcerer: do you know which line I need to edit?
[04:30] <Nire-work> er
[04:30] <Nire-work> membreya: see above
[04:30] <membreya> ;)
[04:30] <membreya> Section "Monitor"
[04:30] <membreya> 	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
[04:30] <membreya> 	Option		"DPMS"
[04:30] <membreya> 	HorizSync	28-49
[04:30] <membreya> 	VertRefresh	43-72
[04:30] <membreya> that section
[04:31] <grirgz> bye
[04:31] <membreya> i believe :\
[04:31] <sime_> Nermal, okay I think the installer would complain about, i installed it for a friend and i notice that OOo would really slow, i left 500MB for swap, cfdisk should be okay to create a swap yeah ?
[04:31] <membreya> OOo always loads slow :P
[04:31] <sime_> sorry i mean i _thought_ the installer would complain
[04:31] <membreya> I have an amd64 3200+ w/ 512mb PC3200
[04:32] <sime_> i know how it long it takes for OOo to load normally
[04:32] <membreya> OOo writer/web takes 13 seconds (give or take) on my machine
[04:32] <ewhitten> has anyone gotten this error while trying to modprobe fglrx:  "ERROR: Unable to the open some already DRM kernel module!"
[04:33] <sime_> membreya, it was going much longer than that
[04:33] <membreya> 13 seconds makes me cringe :( *hungers for his office 2k3*
[04:33] <membreya> ...no Adam..forget windows..it's over
[04:33] <membreya> almost ready to delete my windows partition
[04:34] <membreya> week and a half of ubuntu and futzing around...everything is almost running fine
[04:34] <membreya> well as fine as a newbie can get it
[04:36] <membreya> oh...and I have to get my tv tuner working somehow :)
[04:37] <peregil> hi, somebody with an acer aspire?
[04:38] <peregil> or another bastard laptop?
[04:38] <haffe> I have an old ubuntu 4.1 install cd. How much work would it be to update the install from that cd?
[04:38] <LinuxJones> haffe, it's not hard to install then upgrade
[04:38] <peregil> I've problems with th xorg.conf and keyboard
[04:39] <haffe> LinuxJones, Ok. Including xorg6.8?
[04:39] <JsPr> membreya, use the quickstarter?
[04:39] <peregil> i can't use the third level characters, my "alt gr" key doesn't work
[04:40] <Polmac> hello... anybody is having sound problems in hoary?
[04:40] <membreya> quickstarter? :\
[04:41] <Xappe> hmm, well they switched to polypaudio today, and now I don't know how to configure my apps to use it...
[04:42] <LinuxJones> haffe, there is a hoary install cd
[04:42] <Polmac> hmmm i was able to make alsa work, but something has happened with the last update and now it seems that my soundcard isn't recognized!
[04:42] <LinuxJones> haffe, but it mean re-downloading the .iso
[04:42] <tritium> Polmac, did you install polypaudio?
[04:42] <ficusplanet> Is there anyway to turn off hardware overlay in totem?  I'd like to make the video render like other windows, so that I can use some composite tricks on it.
[04:43] <Polmac> no... i should?
[04:43] <membreya> tritium: i think he did what others did and did an apt-get upgrade ;)
[04:44] <Xappe> tritium, do you have any tricks or tips for polypaudio?
[04:44] <haffe> LinuxJones, no problem. I'm on 10/10mbit fiber connection.
[04:44] <Polmac> yes, that's what I did ;-)
[04:44] <svenl> Hi.
[04:44] <tritium> Xappe, no, not yet.  I'm looking at it now.  Obviously, polypaudio is not the drop-in replacement it's claimed to be!
[04:44] <tritium> (for esound)
[04:44] <membreya> so ...what does "dri" do in the xorg.conf?
[04:45] <svenl> Is it possible to do a user account in ubuntu without having the sudo right ? Or is it strongly not-recomded, since then there is no root access at all ?
[04:45] <Xappe> tritium, well maybe it needs some days before totally integrated with ubuntu
[04:45] <tritium> Xappe, perhaps
[04:45] <JsPr> membreya, http://ooqstart.sourceforge.net/
[04:45] <ficusplanet> membreya: dri = direct rendering interface.  It is the hardware acceleration method for X.  You'd disable it if you were using nvidia's method instead, for example.
[04:46] <membreya> aaah sweet thanks ficusplanet ....hopefully I can get some better fps in Ogl
[04:47] <Polmac> so are you able to hear sound using polypaudio?
[04:47] <tritium> Polmac, some, but not all
[04:47] <Polmac> alright, i'll try it, thanks!
[04:48] <tritium> Polmac, certain system sounds are playing.  rhythmbox and other audio apps are not
[04:48] <mjg59> tritium: Most likely is that you have esd running but gstreamer is trying to output directly
[04:49] <Polmac> hmmm ok, I suppose we'll have to wait till this gets fixed
[04:49] <[dEvIL-bOy] > hello
[04:49] <[dEvIL-bOy] > i'm getting this error while i'm trying to install
[04:49] <[dEvIL-bOy] > Debootstrap error
[04:49] <tritium> mjg59, I don't know.  I just let polypaudio replace esound this morning with the upgrade to ubuntu-desktop
[04:49] <tritium> mjg59, no, esd is not running
[04:50] <mjg59> tritium: Hm. Ok, in that case it's likely that gstreamer is trying to output via esd, then...
[04:50] <tritium> mjg59, yeah, I tried switching to either alsa or oss, but all give errors
[04:51] <mjg59> tritium: You've run gstreamer-properties and played with stuff there?
[04:51] <ficusplanet> Wow.  Composite is pretty impressive.  I've got transparent video playback going.  Useless, but impressive.
[04:51] <tritium> mjg59, I used the Multimedia Systems Selector to try changing to alsa, for example.  The test of the pipeline fails
[04:52] <Xappe> hmm...jon@NL12-37-70:~ $ polypaudio -nC
[04:52] <Xappe> main.c: read() failed: No such file or directory
[04:52] <[dEvIL-bOy] > anyone?
[04:52] <wdh> hi ppls.. i ran the ssh server (/etc/init.d/ssh start) and i checked if it was running using 'netstat -an'.. Currently it is only listed as listening on ipv6, what do i change to make sure i can reach it over ipv4?
[04:52] <polli> LinuxJones: heh, I'll try another day :)
[04:52] <krism> wdh: edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[04:52] <krism> wdh once you open that file, you'll see it's pretty self explanatory
[04:53] <mjg59> tritium: Hm. In that case, I'd suggest filing a bug
[04:53] <wdh> krism, did that.. couldnt find the exact line.. probably just me being stupid.. at least i'll google further on that..
[04:53] <krism> wdh: it's ListenAddress 0.0.0.0
[04:53] <wdh> i should uncomment that?
[04:53] <tritium> mjg59, shouldn't it be kept at esd?  polypaudi is supposed to be a drop-in replacement
[04:53] <krism> wdh: (if you want it to listen on all local ipv4 ports)
[04:54] <larsrohdin> is there anything i can do to make firefox start faster? it takes a couple of secs before it starts...
[04:54] <krism> wdh: yeah, try it once
[04:54] <krism> wdh : then /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[04:54] <LinuxJones> polli, :)
[04:54] <krism> wdh: then try ssh -4 localhost
[04:54] <krism> wdh (-4 forces ipv4)
[04:54] <zeuclas> do anybody know of a plugin or something like that that can play mp3 for Rythmbox?
[04:54] <polli> LinuxJones: thanks anyway
[04:55] <ewhitten> zueclas:  gstreamer-mad?
[04:55] <tritium> zeuclas, gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:55] <ewhitten> what he said.
[04:55] <zeuclas> thx
[04:55] <tsjubu> larsrohdin, about:config in FF
[04:55] <krism> tsjubu : what in about:config?
[04:55] <tsjubu> network.disable ipv6
[04:55] <tsjubu> type it in FFox
[04:56] <tritium> mjg59, Xappe, membreya perhaps the /etc/polypaudio/default.pa file that ships with the package needs to uncomment the loading of module-alsa-sink and module-alsa-source
[04:56] <wdh> krism, at least it is listening on localhost now.. should i add a netmask to make it world reachable?
[04:56] <krism> tsjubu : yeah, i'm not thinking that would make firefox load any faster
[04:56] <krism> wdh: it's listening on all ipv4 interfaces
[04:56] <tsjubu> krism, look for network disable ipv6
[04:56] <krism> wdh: try 'ssh -4 out.side.ip.address
[04:56] <ewhitten> hmm.  anyone here get optical out audio working on an nforce2 motherboard or audigy2 platinum?
[04:56] <krism> tsjubu : yes, i see that. i dont think it will make firefox load any faster
[04:56] <SiRrUs> tsjubu doesnt that just load pages quicker
[04:57] <tsjubu> duobleclick the line
[04:57] <krism> tsjubu : we KNOW.
[04:57] <SiRrUs> :)
[04:57] <tsjubu> ok ur right...sorry
[04:57] <wdh> krism, thx a lot
[04:57] <larsrohdin> tsjubu, yeah ive done that already... I knew that. but its the program i mean, it loads webpages fast, but the program takes a couple of sec to start... is there anything to do about that?
[04:57] <krism> wdh np
[04:58] <membreya> hmmmm trying to install gnometv and it's saying that it can't find gnomeConf.sh for gnome-libs...any ideas?
[05:00] <tritium> mjg59, somebody has already filed a bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6582
[05:00] <tsjubu> Industrial disappear in the options background list
[05:00] <tsjubu> how i get it back?
[05:00] <larsrohdin> no ideas?
[05:01] <tsjubu> in hoary
[05:06] <ewhitten> doo de doo.  nothing like recompiling my kernel.
[05:06] <ewhitten> vrrrrooom goes the athlon64 :)
[05:07] <tsjubu> what the experiences with epiphany?
[05:07] <[NikO] > hello
[05:07] <tsjubu> +are
[05:07] <khinester> hello
[05:07] <[NikO] > Could someone know how to have ubuntu linux boot on external usb2 drive ?
[05:08] <khinester> i have a dell 2650 power edge server with 4Gb of ram, but when i do top, it is only showing as having 1Gb
[05:08] <tsjubu> epiphany starts up very quickly
[05:08] <tritium> khinester, see the FAQ
[05:08] <kahuna_> How do I search the list of available packages?
[05:09] <khinester> k
[05:09] <tsjubu> apt-cache search
[05:09] <kahuna_> thanks
[05:09] <benjami> hi
[05:09] <tritium> khinester, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-21.1496455883
[05:10] <benjami> theres an option to resize ntfs partitions with the hoary live cd?
[05:11] <khinester> tritim: thx
[05:11] <[NikO] > somebody try to have ubuntu boot from an external drive ?
[05:12] <Skwid_> anyone british
[05:12] <Skwid_> ?
[05:12] <Lindo|kotor2> nope :p
[05:13] <help> oops
[05:13] <ewhitten> sorry guvnor.
[05:13] <larsrohdin> anyone here use Rox?
[05:14] <chillywilly> is there a package that contains the radeon kernel module?
[05:16] <bretzel> hello :-)
[05:17] <benjami> ja hello
[05:17] <wasabi_> I am trying to get Ubuntu set up on my ibook. Right now X is unable to use the right resolution.
[05:17] <wasabi_> it falls down to 640x480.
[05:18] <wasabi_> When I turn off UseFBDev, it doesn't work at all, and I can't get out of it.
[05:19] <benjami> what card
[05:19] <bretzel> someone knows when hoary releasae is expected ?
[05:19] <wasabi_> ati mobility m6
[05:20] <bretzel> don;t remeber where to look @ubuntu.org
[05:20] <bob2> ubuntulinux.org.
[05:20] <larsrohdin> is there a hot key for "scan" in Rox?
[05:20] <chillywilly> is there a reason esound is being removed on a hoary dist-upgrade?
[05:20] <membreya> does anyone here use a tv tuner in linux?
[05:20] <benjami> die site is aber auch schrott
[05:20] <bretzel> ubuntulinux.org - yes sorry I am lazy :-)
[05:21] <bob2> just important to note, since ubuntu.org is not affialated with ubuntu at all
[05:22] <rycardyx> alguem do Brasil!?
[05:22] <chillywilly> aaah
[05:22] <chillywilly> I have errors inserting radeon module
[05:22] <bretzel> April 2005 :-) thankx, The month of my birth day (H)
[05:22] <wasabi_> any clues about the ibook?
[05:22] <chillywilly> it conflict with the drm module symbols
[05:22] <binks> hello all
[05:22] <CarlK> is there a list of wifi cards that hoary supports?
[05:23] <binks> anyone help me wth a qdvd-author install problem
[05:23] <Xappe> membreya, yes
[05:23] <binks> i think i need something callled qt but what is qt
[05:23] <CarlK> and durring the install, will it let me keep trying cards until I put one in that it supports?
[05:23] <chillywilly> dudes
[05:23] <chillywilly> radeon: disagrees about version of symbol drm_release
[05:23] <chillywilly> radeon: Unknown symbol drm_release
[05:24] <bob2> chillywilly: custom kernel?
[05:24] <chillywilly> I have tons of those messages when attempting to modprobe radeon
[05:24] <chillywilly> no
[05:24] <rycardyx> alguem do Brasil!?
[05:24] <bob2> rycardyx: obviously not
[05:24] <bretzel> May I put a here URL where I put a screenshot of my actual installation ( hoary array-cd #4 ) if someone is interrested to see it ??
[05:24] <linuxboy> my bass and trebel controls dont work in ubuntu (sb live0
[05:24] <bob2> chillywilly: so, ubuntu kernel and ubuntu X?
[05:24] <membreya> Xappe: what software do you use to view the tv tuner?
[05:25] <Xappe> tvtime
[05:25] <Xappe> I think that's the best one
[05:25] <CarlK> bretzel - sure
[05:25] <chillywilly> bob2: yes, but I did let it install a new kernel package on one of the upgrades so that might be the problem
[05:25] <bob2> chillywilly: hoary?
[05:25] <chillywilly> yes
[05:25] <pjharper> I have changed my sources to hoary and I am getting a rather interesting message...
[05:25] <pjharper> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[05:26] <bretzel>  here it is: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=20808 it is a fresh upload... I am too proud of my desktop! :-)(H)
[05:26] <Jesterace> I have a quick question, I have a athlon xp 2600+, should i go after a k7 kernel or i686 or stay with i386?
[05:26] <chillywilly>  Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on 386.
[05:26] <chillywilly> ii  linux-image-2.6.10-3-686                     2.6.10-18
[05:26] <tritium> membreya, Xappe, are you also getting tons of polypaudio errors in /var/log/messages ?
[05:26] <Xappe> tritium, i'll check
[05:27] <bretzel> pjharper: I had this message too but seems ok, be aware that not all things works fine especially apache+php+pcre
[05:27] <pjharper> I lost nautilus too
[05:27] <tritium> chillywilly, what kernel are you running right now?
[05:28] <CarlK> how much ram can a 386 or 486 address?
[05:28] <pjharper> and the entire multimedia folder
[05:28] <membreya> tritium: sure am
[05:28] <pjharper> I was only trying to install streamtuner and xmms
[05:28] <paulproteus> CarlK: Addressing won't be the problem.  Storing it will:
[05:28] <tritium> membreya, okay...
[05:28] <paulproteus> Most 386 and 486 motherboards can't hold all that much RAM.
[05:29] <paulproteus> Say, 256 MB at the very most.
[05:29] <paulproteus> They can address the same amount as any other 32-bit CPU.
[05:29] <CarlK> paulproteus - wanted to make sure it wasn't 32mb
[05:29] <Xappe> tritium, yes, seems to be some problems loading modules and so on...
[05:29] <CarlK> paulproteus - cuz i was "told" here yesterday that I shouln't try to install on a 32meg box
[05:29] <paulproteus> My 486 years back had 40 MB of RAM, so you should be safe.
[05:30] <membreya> Xappe: thankyou so much for tvtime :)
[05:30] <tritium> Xappe, yeah
[05:30] <paulproteus> Don't expect GNOME to work with that little RAM.
[05:30] <paulproteus> But with the server install, you can make it on 32 meges.
[05:30] <paulproteus> megs.
[05:30] <CarlK> so I was thinking "why bothering with a 386 and 686 if you can't really use the 386?"
[05:30] <Xappe> membreya, no problem :)
[05:30] <CarlK> paulproteus - the install barfs if it only has 32
[05:30] <paulproteus> CarlK: Oh, I didn't realize.
[05:31] <tritium> chillywilly, are you still running on the -17 kernel?
[05:31] <chillywilly> tritium: no, I just rebooted and now radeon loads
[05:31] <chillywilly> ;P
[05:31] <chillywilly> my bad
[05:31] <paulproteus> CarlK: People with pentiums would use the 386 kernel, anyway.
[05:31] <tritium> chillywilly, that was what I was going to suggest :)
[05:31] <CarlK> if you watch the alt-f4 or 5 VT, it starts thowing out of memory erros, then kills some processes
[05:31] <chillywilly> but I have no DRI even though the X log says I do
[05:31] <Xappe> tritium, hope they'll fix it soon. don't think regular users want to edit tons of conf. files to make the sound work properly
[05:31] <CarlK> oh yeah... Pent = 5, not 6...
[05:32] <Xappe> tritium, and i'm a regular user :)
[05:32] <tritium> Xappe, yeah, I couldn't even get it working by editing my configuration files.
[05:32] <chillywilly> glxinfo says No and glxgears has sucks ;)
[05:32] <chillywilly> s/has//
[05:33] <Get> Hi! I've got problems with the nvidia graphics driver sience I did the last horay update, what can be worng?
[05:33] <chillywilly> (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled
[05:33] <tritium> mdz, it seems that adding polypaudio to ubuntu-desktop dependencies was a bit premature
[05:33] <larsrohdin> can someone help me with unrar?
[05:34] <chillywilly> direct rendering: No
[05:35] <mjg59> chillywilly: That's usually a problem with mesa
[05:35] <pjharper> Just noticed half my gnome stuff is gone. Terminals don't cut and past anymore
[05:35] <mjg59> DRI requires kernel, X and libGL support
[05:35] <pybe-lappy> Any one else getting this? Package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-5-686 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:35] <larsrohdin> i dont' understand the commandlines in unrar... can someone give me an example?
[05:35] <tritium> pybe-lappy, yes
[05:36] <bob2> larsrohdin: unrar x blah.rar
[05:36] <pybe-lappy> tritium: any resolve?
[05:36] <bob2> also, get your friends to use a les annoying compression format
[05:36] <pybe-lappy> larsrohdin: get unp
[05:36] <larsrohdin> bob2, ok thanks
[05:36] <larsrohdin> pybe-lappy, unp? is that another program?
[05:36] <tritium> pybe-lappy, I guess wait for a fix to meet that dependency
[05:36] <macewan> or get unrar-nonfree and open the file in nautilus
[05:36] <macewan> right click
[05:37] <larsrohdin> bob2, worked perfect=)
[05:38] <sid77> ciao
[05:39] <chillywilly> mjg59: bah
[05:39] <mjg59> chillywilly: Do you have stuff in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri ?
[05:39] <chillywilly> yep
[05:39] <chillywilly> radeon_dri.so
[05:40] <chillywilly> fglrx_dri.so
[05:40] <chillywilly> bunch of others but those are the only 2 that should work with this card (Radeon 9200)
[05:41] <CarlK> will hoary, install server let me pick what partition, or will it blow away my current partition table?
[05:41] <bob2> er
[05:41] <bob2> 9200 has 3d acceleration without firegl
[05:42] <chillywilly> I had that one loaded before and it was no dice
[05:42] <chillywilly> you're talking about fglrx right?
[05:42] <bob2> worked for me
[05:42] <bob2> I didn't even have to configure anything
[05:42] <chillywilly> what driver though? radeon?
[05:43] <bob2> I guess so
[05:43] <chillywilly> you don't know what X driver it was?
[05:43] <bob2> radeon.
[05:43] <chillywilly> everything looks decent in the X log, but glxinfo says "No"
[05:44] <chillywilly> which would probably mean the GL libs
[05:44] <chillywilly> have a problem
[05:45] <roozor`trials> has anyone been sucessfull using a Speedtouch usb modem on ubuntu yet ?
[05:49] <Get> anyone that can help me with my nvidia problem, please?
[05:49] <tritium> Get, like what?
[05:50] <Get> tritium: It can't find any driver
[05:50] <Thom_Holwerda> anyone here knows why the ubuntu-sparc mini.iso refuses to detect the netw. cards properly all of a sudden??
[05:50] <tritium> Get, did you upgrade your kernel lately?
[05:50] <Get> tritium: yes
[05:51] <Get> a hour ago or so
[05:51] <tritium> Get, 2.6.10-18 is available today.  Install and reboot, and it should fix it.
[05:51] <tritium> Get, you're running Hoary?
[05:51] <Get> tritium: yes
[05:51] <tritium> Get, okay.  Then what I said applies.
[05:52] <Thom_Holwerda> no ubuntu-soarc specialists in the house today? :(
[05:52] <Thom_Holwerda> *sparc
[05:52] <CarlK> hoary says "the folloing modules were detected as matching your hardware..." and lists usb-storage, but I have no usb on this box - should this be reported?
[05:52] <Get> tritium: apt-get dist-upgrade didn't upgradees anything, and I've updated the packages list
[05:54] <chillywilly> bob2, tritium: http://rafb.net/paste/results/lr4q9P26.html
[05:55] <jacquesmerde> is dist-upgrading with multiverse enabled SUPPOSED to fry some central libraries? or do i have some investigation work to do?
[05:55] <bob2> it won't touch any "central libraries"
[05:56] <tritium> Get, dpkg -l | grep linux-image.  Maybe you already have 2.6.10-18
[05:56] <chillywilly> I do have -18 installed
[05:56] <tritium> jacquesmerde, dist-upgrade can remove packages when dependencies aren't met.  use with caution
[05:57] <jacquesmerde> bob2, it killed libapt-pkg-libc6....
[05:57] <jacquesmerde> tritum, see above, i think thats EXACTLY what it did!
[05:57] <bob2> "killed"?
[05:58] <jacquesmerde> bob2, "no such file or directory"
[05:58] <bob2> then something else is going on
[05:58] <jacquesmerde> tritim, see above, i think thats EXACTLY what it did!
[05:58] <tritium> jacquesmerde, ouch
[05:58] <bob2> jacquesmerde: you do need to actually check what apt wants to do before saying "yes"/.
[05:58] <geargolem> hello
[05:59] <bob2> but I really really doubt anything in multiverse broke apt
[05:59] <jacquesmerde> is there something quirky or unusual in my system? or does that happen everytime you dist-upgrade?
[05:59] <bob2> it should never happen
[05:59] <bob2> but you need to watch what apt wants to do and make sure it's sensible
[06:00] <jacquesmerde> i can't run aptitude or synaptic anymore, i could run apt-get, but apt-get install always complained about libapt as an unmet dependency
[06:00] <jacquesmerde> oh, it wasnt multiverse, just universe
[06:00] <tritium> jacquesmerde, I only use dist-upgrade with the -u switch
[06:00] <tritium> jacquesmerde, and I investigate things when packages are going to be removed
[06:01] <jacquesmerde> oh, and synaptic has disappeared from my Computer - System Config gnome menu
[06:01] <jacquesmerde> -u? does that prompt for yes/no?
[06:01] <bob2> it sounds a lot like you let it do something silly
[06:01] <binks> to get java runtime into warty whick package do i install
[06:01] <jacquesmerde> what IS libapt-pkg?
[06:01] <bob2> the apt library
[06:01] <bob2> apt-get was just a demo wrapper for it
[06:02] <jacquesmerde> btw, i only installed packages that were listed on ubuntuguide.org, so i guess my results shouldnt be unusual....
[06:02] <bob2> synaptic and aptitude use it
[06:02] <tritium> jacquesmerde, it shows you what packages are going to be upgraded, removed, installed
[06:02] <OC_AFK> can someone help with a 1394 problem?
[06:02] <jacquesmerde> cool, so i completely killed apt? woah
[06:02] <bob2> er, be very careful following ubuntuguide.
[06:02] <jacquesmerde> doesnt aptitude do that anyway?
[06:02] <bob2> yes
[06:02] <tritium> be very careful with dist-upgrade.  I've seen it cause so many people trouble
[06:03] <jacquesmerde> apart from ubuntuguide packages, i tried to install nfs-common, but by then it was too late...
[06:03] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione: you back from honeymoon yet :)
[06:04] <OmniColos> I get ieee1394io.cc:310: errno: 2 (no such file or directory) with kino
[06:05] <geargolem> 2 monitor support?
[06:06] <OmniColos> also gnomemeeting cant find any v4l devices when a dv cam is hooked up
[06:06] <Thom_Holwerda> anyone here knows why the ubuntu-sparc mini.iso refuses to detect the netw. cards properly all of a sudden??
[06:07] <bob2> best to do that sort of question on the list
[06:07] <jacquesmerde> tritium, i'm just going to have to do a new ubuntu install from scratch...do you recommend i don't enable universe when dist-upgrading? or just avoid dist-upgrade til 0.8 gets a proper release?
[06:07] <bob2> enabling universe did not cause this
[06:08] <MacSociety> Hi, anyone here with an Apple G5 running Ubuntu Linux of any flavor?
[06:08] <chillywilly> yay
[06:08] <chillywilly> fglrx works
[06:08] <MacSociety> My Hoary installs fine but will not launch to stage 2 at the Yaboot prompt where I select "L" for Linux.  Nothing happens and I stay stuck at that screen.
[06:09] <tritium> jacquesmerde, 0.8 of what?
[06:09] <chillywilly> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/DWRyLb69.html
[06:09] <Zotnix> Hey everyone.
[06:10] <binks> hello anyone noooobie q. how do i install java to run in firefox
[06:10] <jacquesmerde> ubuntu
[06:10] <alien_in_rm_309> I am a newbie to ubuntu and linux, and I want to know what i need to be able to install applications
[06:10] <Zotnix> alien_in_rm_309, something called Synaptic
[06:10] <tritium> jacquesmerde, I recommend always being careful with dist-upgrade.  Always use "-u" switch.  Always check what packages will be removed, etc.
[06:10] <tritium> jacquesmerde, 0.7?  You mean 4.10 or 5.04?
[06:11] <alien_in_rm_309> Zotnix does that come with ubuntu?
[06:11] <jacquesmerde> tritium: oops, i was thinking of arch, i meant warty
[06:12] <tritium> jacquesmerde, okay
[06:12] <jacquesmerde> binks: i'll recommend you do it the way ubuntuguide.org tells you, and hope this pisses off someone else on this channel and they tell you a better way
[06:12] <bob2> alien_in_rm_309: it's in the computer menu
[06:12] <krism> alien_in_rm_309 : yes, it's built in
[06:13] <Zotnix> alien_in_rm_309, yep.
[06:13] <alien_in_rm_309> Thank you, hopefully i can figure this out now
[06:13] <Zotnix> alien_in_rm_309, it isn't that bad. Everything has descriptions of what they do.
[06:14] <alien_in_rm_309> ok
[06:16] <alien_in_rm_309> once i am in synapse how do i install the app
[06:16] <jacquesmerde> tritium: you ever used an ubuntu as an NFS sever?
[06:17] <jacquesmerde> has ANYONE ever used an ubuntu as an NFS sever?
[06:17] <krism> jacquesmerde : what's the problem?
[06:17] <krism> alien_in_rm_309 : check the box to the left of the package,
[06:17] <haffe> Is there a faq for synaptics somewhere? I want to install xorg6.8 but I can't seem to find it.
[06:17] <krism> and choose "mark for installation"
[06:17] <tritium> jacquesmerde, no, I don't use NFS
[06:17] <alien_in_rm_309> do i need to unzip it first, and what file do i look for to open in synapse
[06:17] <krism> haffe : xorg is not in repositories right now
[06:17] <krism> alien_in_rm_309 : no, you dont need to unzip or do anything manually
[06:17] <bob2> alien_in_rm_309: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[06:18] <krism> alien_in_rm_309 : you dont need to open a file, just click the square to the left of the package you want to install, select "mark for installation" then select "Apply" on the toolbar
[06:18] <OmniColos> <---noob who needs help with firewire on ibook
[06:18] <krism> haffe : oops, it's not in repositorys for warty anyhow; i think it is in hoary
[06:19] <Get> tritium: nope, I just have -17
[06:20] <tritium> Get, you'll need to get -18
[06:20] <jacquesmerde> is nfs-common an apt package? on the wiki it listed it as a prereq but when i tried to aptitiude it, it didnt think it was a package (i presume for aforementioned reasons)
[06:20] <Get> tritium: k, then I need to change mirror
[06:20] <haffe> krism Ok, is there someway to upgrade from warty to hoary?
[06:21] <krism> jacquesmerde yes, nfs-common is
[06:21] <krism> haffe : yes, lemme find a link
[06:22] <haffe> Thanks.
[06:22] <bob2> jacquesmerde: "didn't think it was a package"?
[06:22] <alien_in_rm_309> ok i understand what to do now, but my package isn't showing up in synapse, is there a way to get it to show up or if it doesn't show up does it mean that it isnt a valid package, and i tried the search menu and it couldnt find it
[06:22] <vi11e> what are usually mount points for usb devices
[06:23] <vi11e> media/usb
[06:23] <bob2> vi11e: for usb disks, under /media/
[06:23] <vi11e> or
[06:23] <bob2> alien_in_rm_309: what are you looking for?
[06:23] <alien_in_rm_309> it is a mp3 encoder called petit313
[06:23] <Get> can  anyonbe paste in the adress to the official ubuntu package mirror?
[06:24] <alien_in_rm_309> it isnt showing up in synapse
[06:25] <prego> hi. I'm in some trouble here.
[06:25] <krism> gah, anyone have a link to upgrade from warty to hoary (for haffe )?
[06:25] <krism> prego : wash the blood out of the clothes and for god sakes,
[06:25] <prego> I was updating to hoary, nearly finished (during configuration stuff) and I lost power
[06:25] <krism> hide the knife!
[06:25] <haffe> I found one, I think. http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9098
[06:25] <bob2> alien_in_rm_309: well, it's not in ubuntu, that's why it's not showing up
[06:25] <bob2> alien_in_rm_309: why do you want it instead of lame?
[06:26] <binks> jacquesmerde thank m8 didt see those srry :)
[06:26] <krism> haffe : yeah, it looks good
[06:26] <prego> Now synaptic says packages are unsigned
[06:26] <randabis> Get, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[06:26] <alien_in_rm_309> when i try playing mp3's it says i dont have the plugin for it
[06:26] <bob2> alien_in_rm_309: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:26] <krism> alien_in_rm_309 : install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:27] <alien_in_rm_309> where can i get that, or is it on here already
[06:27] <prego> Well it says sth about they are not identified...
[06:27] <bob2> alien_in_rm_309: er, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:27] <prego> so, where do I retrieve gpg stuff for that?
[06:27] <sid77> alien_in_rm_309, it is also explained at http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ )
[06:28] <prego> Also, my laptop insists on sleeping each minute or so... where do I configure that?
[06:29] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hallo
[06:29] <vi11e> err, how do I mount my usb memory stick?
[06:29] <vi11e> or how do I get it work....
[06:30] <prego> ville just plug it
[06:30] <tsjubu> prego,neglect it and go further
[06:30] <vi11e> I plugged, no lights, nothing appens
[06:30] <krism> hmm
[06:30] <krism> can anyone tell me how to use my keyboard?
[06:30] <krism> it doesnt work fast enough and sometimes it misspells stuff
[06:30] <tsjubu> prego, choose "y"
[06:31] <prego> tsjubu, I don't feel confortable with that...
[06:31] <tsjubu> thats ok,prego
[06:31] <Get> hmm, now I have change to archive.ubuntu.com in sources, but I still not get any -18 kernel
[06:31] <prego> tsjubu, that does happen to everyone using hoary or is it just me?
[06:31] <tsjubu> yep
[06:31] <krism> Get: did you do an 'apt-get update' ?
[06:31] <prego> ?
[06:32] <duckdown> don't feel bad, stupid make xconfig says I have no -lqt flag
[06:32] <duckdown> yet ive installed every form of QT possible
[06:32] <prego> vi11e, check kernel messages after plug (demesg)
[06:32] <Get> krism: yes
[06:32] <tsjubu> prego, its ok
[06:32] <krism> Get: i'm out then :)
[06:33] <vi11e> prego, dmesg | grep usb ?
[06:33] <Get> krism: do you have a 2.6.10-18 kernel?
[06:33] <prego> vi11e, just check latest lines once you have pluged the thing
[06:33] <prego> vi11e, also check your /media directory, to see if entry sda has appeared
[06:34] <prego> vi11e, also check the mount command to see if it has been mounted
[06:34] <prego> vi11e, also make sure you have hotplug package installed
[06:34] <alien_in_rm_309> do i need gstreamer0.8-lame or will it just play with gstream0.8-mad because i am not finding gstreamer0.8-lame and i followed all the instructions that were given in the tutorial
[06:34] <vi11e> hmm, how to check that... at boot-time it mentions about hotplug
[06:35] <vi11e> no sda at least
[06:35] <krism> Get: i have 2.6.8.1-3-386 (warty)
[06:35] <vi11e> mount: can't find /media/sda in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[06:36] <bob2> alien_in_rm_309: -mad is all you need to play
[06:36] <alien_in_rm_309> thank you
[06:36] <alien_in_rm_309> i got it to work
[06:36] <vi11e> prego, usb 2-3: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 2 usb 2-3: device descriptor read/64, error -110
[06:36] <prego> vi11e, :-(
[06:37] <prego> vi11e, check other usb devices
[06:37] <OmniColos> anyone use 1394 on ubuntu?
[06:38] <vi11e> same error on the other one on fron
[06:38] <prego> vi11e, hoary or warty?
[06:38] <froust> has anyone had experience creating a secure vsftpd connection?
[06:38] <paolo> Hi guys! Where is in warty the utility to change file associations? thank you!
[06:38] <krism> the horny wart? the warty horn?
[06:38] <krism> gah. time for a break :)
[06:39] <vi11e> hoary... well, it works if I plug it on the original ones on the back of my case
[06:39] <prego> paolo, just nautilus: use context menu for the desired file and follow open with...
[06:39] <haffe> While I'm at it. I have ubunto running on an old compaq dpens p600 with an integrated adi soundmac ac97, but alsa doesn't seem to agree with me.
[06:39] <prego> vi11e, ???
[06:40] <vi11e> so I guess I have to use them there when emergency... but it aind that comfortable because it is really hard to get in back of my pc to plug on those holes
[06:40] <bensexson> Is any one else having issues getting sound when using the flash plugin with firefox?
[06:40] <vi11e> yes... I have 4 usb holes, 2 front 2 back, they work autom. in windows at least
[06:40] <vi11e> at front too
[06:40] <paolo> prego: ok, but if I want to change a extension which I haven't a file?
[06:40] <vi11e> usb holes in back works in linux only it seems
[06:40] <krism> rofl 4 usb holes
[06:40] <vi11e> hmh, maybe if I installed some drivers or some support
[06:41] <prego> paolo, not such a tool for that :-(( AFAIK
[06:42] <froust> bensexson: are you in 64 bit?
[06:42] <bensexson> no 32 bit
[06:43] <froust> hrm. what are you having trouble with?
[06:43] <bensexson> Flash playing through Firefox will not play sound.  The video works but no sound.
[06:45] <froust> can anyone help me out with vsftpd?
[06:45] <krism> froust : whats the prob?
[06:47] <geargolem> selected an apt and applied it.  How do I make sure it is running or working?
[06:48] <krism> an apt?
[06:48] <geargolem> package
[06:48] <krism> you mean edited '/etc/apt/sources.list'?
[06:48] <krism> oh. what package?
[06:48] <froust> krism: i'm trying to set up ssl
[06:48] <vi11e> hey prego, can you tell me how to safely unmount the usb device before of removal of it?
[06:48] <krism> froust : ah, sorry, no experience with that.
[06:48] <k31th> yo
[06:49] <geargolem> S3switch
[06:50] <OmniColos> woot got 1394 working :D
[06:52] <vi11e> how do I unmount a usb device safely?
[06:52] <vi11e> umount /media/usbdisk really doesn't unmount it.... it kinda refers to fstab that it aind deh but but
[06:53] <MyKq3> hello
[06:53] <Scognito> hi all
[06:53] <bob2> vi11e: look at the output of 'mount'.
[06:54] <Scognito> i noticed that  http://www.getsweaaa.com  is not more avaiable for fetching muine/mono packages for ubuntu
[06:54] <Scognito> what to do?
[06:54] <MyKq3> does someone hereknows if UbuntuLinux theam fixed the problem with 3d excalration on hoary ?
[06:54] <vi11e> it shows usbfs at proc....
[06:54] <bob2> MyKq3: look at the bug tracking system
[06:54] <bob2> vi11e: that has nothing to do with your usb device
[06:54] <MyKq3> were can i find that?
[06:55] <froust> How can I encrypt my FTP session?
[06:55] <vi11e> bob2, hmmh :S
[06:55] <bob2> you can't (easily)
[06:55] <smurfix> froust: Use sftp or scp
[06:55] <bob2> just use rsync over ssh or sftp
[06:56] <froust> there's no way to do it with vsftpd?
[06:56] <vi11e> bob, hmh, I don't know how to unmount it... just mounted cd's before
[06:56] <vi11e> and mount showeed only that proc for usb
[06:56] <bob2> vi11e: yes, then it's not mounted
[06:56] <vi11e> oh, well, it has a light on it and in windows it used to mean it is not safe to remove it
[06:57] <bob2> ok, but if it's not in the output of 'mount', it's not mounted
[06:57] <vi11e> how should it appear in there?
[06:57] <vi11e> something like /media/usbdisk or ?
[06:58] <bob2> that will be part of it, yeah
[06:58] <vi11e> ah, well I just could do a test and see that I actually can't access the usbdisk directory
[06:58] <vi11e> I wonder how I unmounted it then
[06:58] <bob2> well, that won't show anything
[06:58] <bob2> since the dir will still exist
[06:58] <vi11e> yea it was empty
[06:59] <thundrcleeze> I'm running hoary, and I updated yesterday to a new kernel and when I rebooted, the xserver didn't work.  The error I got was "No Screens Found"
[06:59] <thundrcleeze> When I use the previous kernel, everything's OK.
[06:59] <vi11e> thanks bob
[06:59] <froust> is there a way to get vsftpd to encrypt the session, or do i have to use scl or sftp
[06:59] <bob2> froust: just use sftp
[06:59] <bob2> ftp is a useless old protocol for anything but anonymous access
[07:00] <froust> so what is secure about vsftp then?
[07:00] <CarlK> speaking of scp...   I can ssh to a box, so can I scp files to it?
[07:00] <bob2> CarlK: yes
[07:00] <bob2> froust: the fact it doesn't pretend to be secure for non-anonymous access
[07:01] <CarlK> I just need to get a few configs off a laptop - don't care where they land... whats the syntax?
[07:01] <geargolem> I selected and installed a package.  How do I access the program to use it?
[07:01] <bob2> "scp" prints out help text.
[07:01] <CarlK> yeah, but it isn't helpfull enough
[07:01] <froust> what if i want to run a server?
[07:01] <bob2> it's not?
[07:02] <Agrajag> geargolem: what program was it?
[07:02] <CarlK> scp carl@Ip:filename prints the help too ;
[07:02] <bob2> scp  [[user@] host1:] file1 [...]  [[user@] host2:] file2
[07:02] <geargolem> s3switch
[07:02] <bob2> provide a source and destination
[07:02] <Agrajag> never heard of it, o this is a wild guess, but did you try typing "s3switch" in a terminal and hitting enter?
[07:02] <geargolem> lol
[07:03] <geargolem> I'm so new to linux, I'm still in the wrapper.
[07:03] <CarlK> ah, host1 is a source?
[07:03] <Agrajag> you can also use dpkg to find out what files it installed, find out what it installed to /usr/bin, and run that
[07:03] <bob2> CarlK: it's just like cp
[07:03] <bob2> cp source destination
[07:03] <D3B14N> hello
[07:03] <bob2> scp user@host:/blah/blah ./
[07:03] <Hwolf> What is the name of the gnome window manager package?
[07:03] <duckdown> doh, i wanted to test my IPv6... freenode isn't IPV6??
[07:04] <geargolem> typed it in and recieved, "s3switch must be setuid root."
[07:04] <D3B14N> how do i get to install a new skin on xmms?
[07:04] <bob2> Hwolf: metacity
[07:04] <bob2> duckdown: read their website
[07:04] <Agrajag> geargolem: sudo s3switch
[07:04] <sjoerd> duckdown: irc.ipv6.eu.freenode.net
[07:04] <bob2> D3B14N: normally you don't bother, since it's so ugly anyway
[07:04] <duckdown> sjoerd, cool, thanks..
[07:04] <bob2> D3B14N: but #xmms can explain it to you
[07:04] <duckdown> nice
[07:05] <geargolem> Devices attached:  CRT LCD TV
[07:05] <geargolem> Devices active:    CRT LCD TV
[07:05] <geargolem> Current TV format is NTSC-J
[07:05] <D3B14N> bob2 which mp3 player do you use?
[07:05] <bob2> D3B14N: cplay.
[07:05] <priest> someone who know what the extention ".chm"  is?
[07:06] <bob2> stupid MS compressed html help files
[07:06] <Scognito> priest, it's some html
[07:06] <Agrajag> you can read it with xchm
[07:06] <D3B14N> never heard about it. any good?
[07:06] <Scognito> i think they are useful
[07:06] <priest> Agrajag: thanks
[07:06] <Scognito> i don't like pdf
[07:06] <duckdown> pdf stinx
[07:06] <Scognito> what it means?
[07:07] <geargolem> Agrajag, "current TV format is NTSC-J"  (forgive my noobishness)
[07:07] <Agrajag> geargolem: I told you, I don't know what that program is
[07:07] <geargolem> ok, thank you.
[07:08] <Agrajag> NTSC-J is the Japanese version of the NTSC video standard, if that's what you're asking
[07:08] <geargolem> I'm just trying to enable my second monitor.
[07:09] <Scognito> geargolem, i had no luck with my geforce4 mx480
[07:11] <geargolem> thank you all.
[07:11] <CarlK> bob2 - i did it! thanks
[07:12] <CarlK> will hoary, server (not -expert) setup new partitions? (i want to keep my current ones)
[07:16] <D3B14N> i can hear the sound of file .avi but i don't get the picture, does anyone know what auses this?
[07:16] <AngryClip> lack of codecs?
[07:16] <AngryClip> have you got the win32 codecs installed?
[07:16] <topyli> how come evolution freezes on startup on this machine but works fine on my machine at work?
[07:17] <AngryClip> D3B14N: apt-get install w32codecs
[07:18] <AngryClip> CarlK: I am pretty sure you get the option
[07:18] <CarlK> AngryClip - thanks
[07:18] <prego> wow, latest hoary kernel update solved my problems with my laptop ;-))
[07:19] <bretzel> prego: which kernel ?
[07:19] <prego> (system hung up every time I pressed the gnome menu icon at panel)
[07:19] <prego> bretzel, it was the previous to the current one. I've just upgraded to hoary
[07:19] <krism> prego : can you do 'uname -a'?
[07:19] <prego> now it is: 2.6.10-3-686
[07:20] <D3B14N> AngryClip, i have done that
[07:20] <krism> prego : also, if you're super kind, could you /dcc send me the appropriate /boot/config file? :)
[07:20] <bretzel> prego: I use hoary: 2.6.10-2, thus is it 2.6.10-3?
[07:20] <D3B14N> but it still doesn't work
[07:20] <krism> im using warty 2.6.8-... and my sleep is all kinds of bonkers
[07:20] <D3B14N> does w32codecs includes divx?
[07:20] <Jeremy_D> hello all
[07:20] <krism> my suspend to memory i mean :)
[07:20] <CarlK> does anyone care the hoary is preselecting "all (?)" modules, even things like USB and 12 IDE chipset
[07:20] <AngryClip> D3B14N:  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[07:20] <prego> I think that it was same one but wrongly packaged (not sure)
[07:20] <Jeremy_D> how do i "mount" my windows hdd or partition?
[07:20] <prego> bretzel, sure
[07:20] <bretzel> :-)
[07:20] <krism> CarlK : why?
[07:20] <prego> krism, how do I do that?
[07:21] <D3B14N> i have done all that AngryClip
[07:21] <Jeremy_D> *in ubuntu
[07:21] <vi11e> does your ubuntu freeze ever?
[07:21] <AngryClip> Jeremy_D: http://www.userlocal.com/tips/fatmounting.php
[07:21] <AngryClip> D3B14N: then I don't know sorry
[07:21] <vi11e> I just wrote a school project and pressed save and it freezes
[07:21] <krism> prego : well, im mostly just concerned with kernel version. can you open a command line and run 'uname -a' and copy/paste what it says?
[07:21] <CarlK> krism - cus if they do, ill report it.  if this is expecd, I wont
[07:21] <Jeremy_D> thanks AngryClip
[07:21] <krism> CarlK : im pretty sure that was the intention..
[07:22] <prego> krism, I've already posted that, btw: Linux rap 2.6.10-3-686 #1 Tue Feb 15 09:51:23 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:22] <krism> prego : sorry, i mustve missed it :) thanks!
[07:22] <prego> krism, happy?
[07:22] <krism> prego : very :)
[07:22] <prego> krism, because I am a lot now ;-))))))
[07:22] <krism> yeah, im gonna download 2.6.10 now and try it out
[07:23] <prego> krism, further when I have also passed another kobodl level
[07:23] <krism> prego : kobodl level?
[07:23] <prego> krism, kobodl (a space arcade 2D game)
[07:23] <krism> ohh, lol :)
[07:24] <prego> krism, I was checking stability
[07:24] <krism> time for some fresh air, at any rate - back in a few
[07:24] <prego> krism, and usability
[07:24] <Jeremy_D> how do i actually edit the /etc/fstab file?
[07:24] <prego> krism, never gaming, of course he he
[07:24] <krism> lol, stability uh huh :)
[07:24] <AngryClip> Jeremy_D: are you in gnome?
[07:24] <Jeremy_D> yes
[07:25] <jacquesmerde> does ubuntu have any nfs functionality as a nfs server without the nfs-common package?
[07:25] <AngryClip> Jeremy_D:  then at a prompt type: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[07:25] <bob2> dude
[07:25] <bob2> you're fixated on that package
[07:25] <Jeremy_D> thanks
[07:25] <topyli> evolution is gone. i'm back to mutt and abook
[07:25] <prego> WARNING: the weird kernel package was "linux-image-2.6.10-3-386_2.6.10-17_i386.deb" while the good one is "linux-image-2.6.10-3-386_2.6.10-18_i386.deb"
[07:26] <prego> do you know what does the final numbering mean???
[07:26] <thundrcleeze> I'm running hoary, and I updated yesterday to a new kernel and when I rebooted, the xserver didn't work.  The error I got was "No Screens Found" When I use the previous one, everything's okay.
[07:26] <Jeremy_D> in the directions on the site you referred me to, it says to use /dev/hda2 /windows vfat... is the hda2 universal or must i find that info out and replace it?
[07:27] <iapx8088> another kernel upgrade...
[07:27] <bob2> thundrcleeze: ask on the list and/or file a bug
[07:27] <Jeremy_D> as in, can i use hda2 and it will work, or not?
[07:27] <iapx8088> in hoary
[07:27] <prego> krism, bretzel  did you read the warning post?
[07:27] <AngryClip> replace it with the drive and partion that you want to mount
[07:27] <iapx8088> who knows why
[07:27] <thundrcleeze> Ok, bob.
[07:27] <prego> iapx8088, I do (read above)
[07:28] <prego> iapx8088, previous one was a mess in my SiS based laptop
[07:28] <iapx8088> prego, are you italian?
[07:28] <prego> iapx8088, more or less: spanish ;-)
[07:28] <iapx8088> ok
[07:28] <prego> iapx8088, sorry for my english
[07:28] <CarlK> anyone know what it takes to get a dlink dwl-650+ wifi card to work? (pretty sure this is the one that has 4 revsions under the same part#)
[07:28] <iapx8088> what's going on withe the kernel
[07:29] <iapx8088> I wasn't in when you explained
[07:29] <prego> iapx8088, I don't know, just when I pressed the gnome-foot-menu at panel, the laptop hung
[07:29] <LinuxJones> CarlK, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards/
[07:30] <CarlK> LinuxJones - thanks - I figured there was something like that somewhere
[07:30] <LinuxJones> CarlK, mmm it's supposed to work out of the box
[07:30] <prego> iapx8088, however I had a problem during "to hoary" upgrade... so perhaps the package was not properly installed
[07:31] <prego> Is there a way to verify all installed packages?
[07:31] <iapx8088> mmh don't know
[07:31] <prego> (in RH it used to be "rpm -qaV" or something like that)
[07:33] <AngryClip> prego: try "man dpkg" or "man apt-get"
[07:33] <krism> dpkg -l
[07:34] <krism> oh
[07:34] <krism> nvm
[07:34] <mis3> Hi. I just installed ubuntu and I was wondering how to get the kernel source and headers installed that match the default installed kernel
[07:36] <ewhitten> mis3:  sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` kernel-source-`uname -r`
[07:36] <prego> Have to go... se you soon
[07:36] <ewhitten> (i think)
[07:38] <mis3> It was linux-headers
[07:38] <mis3> Thanks for the tip though :)
[07:38] <mis3> I think debian uses kernel-headers and ubuntu uses linux-headers
[07:44] <iapx8088> mmh
[07:44] <iapx8088> volume maneger is no longer putting the icon of the usb pen on the desktop
[07:44] <iapx8088> when I insert it.
[07:44] <iapx8088> that's bad
[07:47] <iapx8088> mmh
[07:47] <iapx8088> don't know
[07:47] <vishal> hi...can anyone pls help?....
[07:48] <jacquesmerde> does default ubuntu NOT come up with a c compiler????????????????????????
[07:48] <vishal> i have Ubuntu as a client OS in VMWare with XP as host..
[07:48] <vishal> is there anyway to share files on the host XP with client Ubuntu..using samba maybe?
[07:48] <tritium> jacquesmerde, no.  You need build-essential
[07:48] <krism> vishal : in nautilus, smb://host-system-name/sharename
[07:48] <tritium> jacquesmerde, that's documented
[07:49] <krism> vishal : (e.g. click "Computer", select network, then type smb://hostcomputername/sharename)
[07:50] <topyli> can evolution addressbooks be imported to abook?
[07:51] <jacquesmerde> tritium...lemme get this straight.,..apt-get is broken, so i try to install from source, but i dont have gcc so i have to apt-get it, but apt get is broken...
[07:51] <vishal> krism: do I need to enable share on the host XP for any particular folder?
[07:51] <tritium> jacquesmerde, if you didn't install a compiler before, yes.
[07:51] <tritium> jacquesmerde, that's in the FAQ
[07:52] <krism> vishal : not any particular, but whatever ones you want
[07:52] <topyli> jacquesmerde: how is apt broken? what does it say? (sorry if i'm late to this conversation)
[07:52] <vishal> do I need any additional software on XP as I can't find a way to share a folder in XP
[07:53] <jacquesmerde> topyli, i did a dist-upgrade and it seems to have removed libapt-pkg...
[07:53] <topyli> jacquesmerde: upgrading to hoary?
[07:53] <krism> vishal : no, you dont need additional software, but i dont use windows so you'll have to find someone else to help you with that part.
[07:54] <vishal> krism: Thanks
[07:55] <krism> vishal : np, sorry i couldnt help more.
[07:55] <roozor`trials> how much space will i need to install ubuntu on the same drive as my xp
[07:55] <topyli> roozor`trials: what are you going to do with it once you get it installed?
[07:56] <topyli> roozor`trials: what you'll install will depend on your needs
[07:56] <roozor`trials> ah
[07:56] <roozor`trials> 10gb free should be enough
[07:57] <topyli> that's more than fine. the system will take about 2G
[07:57] <roozor`trials> cool thanks :] 
[07:57] <vishal> krism: I have enabled the 'share folder' in XP..but when I type smb:///hostcomputername/sharefolder ...
[07:57] <vishal> it says it cant find the folder?
[08:02] <krism> vishal : are you typing 'smb://hostcomputername' exactly, or are you subsituting the real host computers name? (you should do the later)
[08:03] <vishal> i'm substituting with the name of my computer
[08:03] <ben_> having a problem getting a Epson USB scanner working.  Cant find anything on website.  Any ideas?
[08:06] <vishal> krism: is there difference between 'share' and 'folder'?
[08:06] <DagaZ> I have installed apache with php with the help of the unofficial guide.. but when I try to open the info.php firefox wants to open it with gedit.. any clues anyone??
[08:06] <krism> vishal : IIRC, the name of the share can be anything - e.g. completely unrelated to the folder name
[08:06] <krism> DagaZ : sounds like PHP is not installed on the apache server
[08:07] <Matrix_Soul> can anybody help me installing gtk+ ???
[08:07] <Matrix_Soul> when i try to compile, it says:
[08:07] <DagaZ> krism: but it is.. at least it looks like it.. I have a php.ini in /etc/php4/apache2/
[08:07] <Matrix_Soul> configure: error: Xft Pango backend is required for x11 target
[08:07] <AngryClip> are you doing "file://" or "http://localhost/info.php" ?
[08:08] <AngryClip> that is to DagaZ
[08:08] <EDUARDO_LOPEZ> hi, anyone know why when i try install XFCE 4, it say to me Glib(gmodule) >=2... not found i have 2.4
[08:08] <DagaZ> AngryClip:  http://localhost/info.php
[08:08] <AngryClip> try it in anothe browser
[08:08] <krism> DagaZ : is it listed in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled (or similar)
[08:08] <krism> AngryClip : it's not the browser
[08:08] <CarlK> hoary, server-expert, wifi up, box pingable, getting "couldn't retrieve bsdutils.  this may be due to a networ problem of a bad CD, depending on your installatin method." - what is my installation method?
[08:09] <krism> AngryClip : the server should interpret the .php, not send it to the client
[08:09] <DagaZ> krism: I will check..
[08:09] <AngryClip> good point
[08:10] <DagaZ> krism: cgid.conf  cgid.load  cgi.load  userdir.conf  userdir.load are the only ones it mods-enabled
[08:10] <DagaZ> krism: isn't this supposed to be done automatically?
[08:11] <krism> DagaZ : not automatically, anyway.
[08:11] <krism> DagaZ : do you see it in /etc/apache2/mods-available ?
[08:12] <DagaZ> krism: nope.. crap.. I got it to work before I reinstalled.. without doing anything special
[08:12] <krism> DagaZ : hmm, maybe im wrong. but it's not on my home server, either.
[08:12] <paolo_> Hi guys! I have plugged in a pci modem in my dual boot windows-linux pc. Windows sees the pci modem, but ubuntu not. How should I do in order to see the modem?
[08:13] <CrucifiedLemur> I am trying to use bittorrent but it won't let me...
[08:13] <ftwig> having a problem getting a Epson USB scanner working.  Cant find anything on website.  Any ideas?
[08:13] <paolo_> The modem is a 3com internal, not a winmodem
[08:13] <krism> DagaZ : maybe you need to install libapache2-mod-php4?
[08:13] <krism> DagaZ : yeah, doing that on my home system got php4 for me
[08:14] <CarlK> can I get bsdutils over the net from the Alt-F2 VT?
[08:15] <krism> CarlK what does your VT have to do with anything?
[08:15] <DagaZ> I followed the guide.. so I already did that.. but it doesn't seem to get it that it is there.. will try to reinstall or something.. thanks for your help
[08:15] <krism> DagaZ :
[08:15] <krism> DagaZ you need to 'apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4' and then '/etc/init.d/apache2 restart'
[08:16] <krism> DagaZ : once you install libapache2-mod-php4, you'll see the php entries in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
[08:16] <AndyR> lo all
[08:17] <AndyR> was hoary broke for a bit today?
[08:17] <DagaZ> krism: ok.. will try that.. tried to restart but it didn't do the trick..
[08:17] <CarlK> krism - it's a place I can type something - any other ideas for how to deal with the problem?
[08:18] <AndyR> i did an update, rebooted then X froze
[08:18] <krism> CarlK: i don't have any other ideas about it unless i'm drinknig pepsi and it's a thursday.
[08:18] <EDUARDO_LOPEZ> hi, anyone know why when i try install XFCE 4, it say to me Glib(gmodule) >=2... not found i have 2.4
[08:20] <CarlK> so I can stop feeling stupid, how do I know if I am doing a net instal or installing from CD?
[08:20] <DagaZ> krism: got it working.. ubuntu spirit glows!!
[08:21] <gatan> ubuntu Is that like debian?
[08:21] <krism> dagaz :)
[08:22] <mz2> how do i get grub back into the mbr when i've installed windows?
[08:22] <El_Che> mz2:
[08:22] <comanche> there's one lemur that won't leap
[08:23] <CrucifiedLemur> I have bittorrent but when i click on a .torrent to download the OK button is gray and i cant click it...any suggestions?
[08:23] <CrucifiedLemur> lol
[08:23] <mz2> haven't tried that for ages :) with lilo it was just a matter of running lilo
[08:24] <topyli> gatan: it's very much like debian
[08:25] <gatan> topyli: ok
[08:25] <AndyR> did anyone else have probs after running hoary update today?
[08:25] <gatan> topyli: It is a good dist?
[08:25] <topyli> gatan: someone said, when writing up the highlights of last year, "ubuntu showed how to fix debian" :)
[08:25] <AndyR> gatan, the BEST imho
[08:26] <gatan> Ok, nice!
[08:26] <gatan> I have just run slackware in my days, gona try ubuntu and see how it is :)
[08:26] <topyli> gatan: less fiddling, i can promise you that much :)
[08:27] <gatan> topyli: ok, thx hehe
[08:27] <mgedmin> my battery applet thinks I'm on battery power, but I'm not
[08:27] <mgedmin> bug?
[08:28] <Guybrush|Numb> check your power cord :-P
[08:28] <El_Che> mgedmin: obviously one of you both is lying
[08:28] <El_Che> :)
[08:28] <mgedmin> /usr/bin/acpi says Battery 1: charging, 100%, 00:00:42 until charged
[08:28] <krism> mgedmin : ive seenthat on occassion too..
[08:28] <mgedmin> I think /etc/init.d/acpid restart in suspend/resume scripts might have something to do with this
[08:29] <gatan> topyli: ubuntu have it apt or something like that?
[08:29] <Guybrush|Numb> gatan: debian based, so apt-get all the way
[08:29] <mgedmin> afaiu battstat applet asks acpi for power state change notifications instead of polling
[08:29] <topyli> gatan: like i said, ubuntu is very much debian and has all the same stuff
[08:29] <gatan> Guybrush|Numb: Ok, nice
[08:29] <gatan> topyli: ok
[08:30] <topyli> gatan: plus intelligence =)
[08:30] <dredg> however
[08:30] <gatan> ;)
[08:31] <dredg> i mean really, it's 2005. i don't want to tweak things, i want it to just work
[08:32] <topyli> gatan: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view for an explanation of the debian/ubuntu relationship
[08:32] <dredg> but on the same point, i was to run a system that i can tweak if i must :)
[08:33] <gatan> topyli: Thank you!
[08:34] <CrucifiedLemur> is there anyway to move something to the waste basket even though it says ACCESS DENIED
[08:35] <Jeremy_D> hello all
[08:35] <ulas2> souuuuuuundddddddddd
[08:36] <ulas2> somebody helpp
[08:36] <CrucifiedLemur> Is there any way to move a file or folder to the wastebasket even though it says access denied?
[08:36] <shaya> anyone ever burn a CD with an IDE burner in ubuntu?
[08:36] <shaya> what do I have to do?
[08:36] <dredg> CrucifiedLemur: it was probably created as root or another user. try using sudo rm.
[08:37] <CarlK> shaya - cdrecord or K3b
[08:37] <shaya> CarlK: do I have to do any scsi emulation crap?
[08:37] <dredg> or 'sudo chown'
[08:37] <CrucifiedLemur> I'm the only user on the computer
[08:37] <haffe> shaya: Nahhha. But I don't know if you still have to be root.
[08:37] <Jeremy_D> i have two hard drives on my computer, running ubuntu and i want to mount my windows partitions... hdd#1 one partition hdd#2 two partitions first windows, second ubuntu. what would the first partition on the second hdd be?
[08:37] <tritium> shaya, you can try graveman
[08:38] <tritium> Jeremy_D, should be /dev/hdb1.
[08:39] <ulas2> anyone having sound problems in hoary?
[08:39] <shaya> graveman seems to autodetect my drive
[08:39] <shaya> yay
[08:39] <CrucifiedLemur> what does this mean: Failed to run sudo chown as user root:
[08:39] <CrucifiedLemur>  Child terminated with 1 status
[08:40] <Jeremy_D> tritium, thanks a lot, ill try that
[08:40] <Jeremy_D> thank you
[08:40] <CarlK> CrucifiedLemur - probly that you typed in the wrong pw
[08:41] <Jeremy_D> uh what if its not vfat?
[08:41] <Jeremy_D> what if its ntfs?
[08:41] <Jeremy_D> or will vfat suite it
[08:41] <Jeremy_D> i am editing my fstab
[08:41] <Agrajag> if it's ntfs, mount it as ntfs. You won't be able to write to it
[08:41] <Jeremy_D> but i have in the past with other distros, is it just because ubuntu doesnt support it or?
[08:42] <CrucifiedLemur> I'm definitely typing the right password
[08:42] <Agrajag> You've written to ntfs?
[08:42] <Agrajag> I doubt that, unless you used captive-ntfs.
[08:42] <haffe> Has anyone here managed to migrate from xfree4.3 to xorg6.8 ?
[08:42] <Jeremy_D> yes of course, i am new and have no clue how to use anything complicated, i didnt know it wasnt supported.. i just did it...
[08:42] <Jeremy_D> mandrake 10 i believe
[08:43] <Agrajag> Are you sure?
[08:43] <Agrajag> the ntfs driver in linux does not support writing unless it's explicitly enabled when you build the kernel
[08:43] <Agrajag> And even then it's very limited.
[08:43] <AlphaZero> i think the ubuntu version i have install is i386, is there a way to change that to the i686 version?
[08:43] <Agrajag> You cannot create or delete files, or change the size of existing files.
[08:43] <mgedmin> haffe, yes
[08:43] <haffe> There is no 686 version.
[08:43] <haffe> mgedmin: Would you care for a quick explanation of how you did?
[08:44] <AlphaZero> ok that makes it simple haffe ;)
[08:44] <CrucifiedLemur> Is there any other way I could delete files that it won't let me delete?
[08:44] <mgedmin> haffe, apt-get upgrade, followed by vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:44] <mgedmin> haffe, apt-get dist-upgrade, I meant
[08:44] <CarlK> installing, I have bsdutils_2.12p-2ubuntu1_i386.deb in /tmp - how do I ... um.. unpack/install it?
[08:45] <mgedmin> although hoary is a bit unstable at the moment
[08:45] <mgedmin> latest kernel panics as soon as you log in
[08:45] <AlphaZero> array is a live-cd or install?
[08:45] <haffe> mgedmin: did you edit /etc/apt/sources.list to hoary first?
[08:45] <Agrajag> CarlK: dpkg -i /path/to/package
[08:45] <CarlK> Agrajag - thanks
[08:45] <mgedmin> haffe, yes, but caveat emptor -- do not upgrade to hoary if you want stability
[08:46] <haffe> I run gentoo on my other boxxen. I live on the bleeding edge :D
[08:46] <CarlK> Agrajag - I don't seem to have dpkg
[08:46] <Agrajag> huh?
[08:46] <Agrajag> You are running ubuntu right?
[08:46] <CarlK> Agrajag - not running, installing
[08:47] <Agrajag> installing from what?
[08:47] <CarlK> CD
[08:47] <CarlK> and got this message:
[08:47] <Agrajag> and why do you need to install that package prior to installing the OS?
[08:47] <CarlK> hoary, server-expert, wifi up, box pingable, getting "couldn't retrieve bsdutils.  this may be due to a networ problem of a bad CD, depending on your installatin method."
[08:47] <Agrajag> odd
[08:47] <ryan_> are there disk defragmation tools?
[08:47] <Jeremy_D> ryan_, i have wondered that as well
[08:47] <CarlK> so I am trying to help out the install
[08:48] <Jeremy_D> ryan_, things must get a bit mixed up every now and then dont ya think
[08:48] <ryan_> sure do
[08:48] <Agrajag> CarlK: I had some problems with corrputed X packages when I installed due to a bad CD, but it just dumped me into aptitude and let me finish with that
[08:48] <Agrajag> I didn't have to manually download anything
[08:49] <Agrajag> Jeremy_D and ryan_: most linux filsystems resist fragmentation much better than, say, fat32 or ntfs.
[08:49] <Agrajag> fragmentation isn't really a problem.
[08:49] <haffe> Hmmm. The computer I'm running ubuntu on has an "adi soundmax AC'97" soundcard integrated. Any hope of getting this to work?
[08:49] <Agrajag> If you really feel you need to defrag, I suggest making a backup of your filesystem, wiping the partition, and restoring from the backup.
[08:49] <JoRRo> putones
[08:49] <JoRRo> arriba espaaa
[08:49] <JoRRo> cabrones
[08:50] <JoRRo> me cagoen vuestros muertos
[08:50] <El_Che> no seas estupido
[08:50] <JoRRo> hola gupo
[08:50] <JoRRo> el che dice
[08:50] <JoRRo> wah
[08:50] <CarlK> Agrajag - I have /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure - will that help?
[08:50] <Agrajag> no
[08:51] <JoRRo> nos vemos comenabos
[08:51] <Agrajag> you need dpkg itself to install debs
[08:51] <Agrajag> is the CD bad?
[08:51] <ryan_> that's the thing. my external firewire drive is fat32 for compatibility w/ macs. it has a lot of junk, and should be defragmented. guess i'll have to switch into windows to do it
[08:51] <Agrajag> ryan_: yeah, you will
[08:52] <Hwolf> ryan_: is there no defragmenter for tux?
[08:52] <Hwolf> :-S
[08:52] <CarlK> Agrajag - i have "read error I/O error" on the Alt-F3 VT
[08:52] <Agrajag> sounds like a bad CD to me
[08:52] <CarlK> I am guessig that means a bad cd
[08:52] <Agrajag> yeah
[08:52] <Agrajag> check the md5sum on the iso file, if you still have it
[08:52] <Agrajag> if it's good, try reburning
[08:57] <gatan> topyli: should i download: warty-release-install-powerpc.iso   ?
[08:58] <gatan> oppps, wrong wrong sry
[08:58] <topyli> gatan: if you have a power pc :)
[08:58] <gatan> im a idiot ^^^^
[08:59] <topyli> gatan: the debian/ubuntu philosophy page got you sold?
[08:59] <gatan> topyli: I think so ;)
[08:59] <BrianAnthony> is there an easy way to get a java package?
[09:00] <Neil3> gatan, powerpc means a mac
[09:00] <Neil3> g4 or g5
[09:01] <Neil3> maybe even g3
[09:01] <meuserj|work> BrianAnthony, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[09:02] <topyli> gatan: i love debian but there are problems with it. so, ubuntu seemed kinda natural for me
[09:02] <CarlK> Agrajag - CD is good (checked md5sum when I first DL) - - I am wget the image to this box and mount it under /cdrom and hit "go back" on the error dialog - think it will work?
[09:02] <CarlK> er, the cd image is good - dont know about the cd
[09:02] <Agrajag> maybe
[09:02] <gatan> topyli: ok :)
[09:04] <topyli> gatan: also, ubuntu seems to release a "preview" on the same day that gnome releases =)
[09:04] <roozor`trials> is burning the iso on cd ok using alcohol?
[09:05] <MSG43> hi I need help
[09:06] <MSG43> I can't build or use a deb of ndiswrapper in ubuntu
[09:06] <MSG43> http://www.pastebin.com/242217
[09:07] <MSG43> this is my error I've been getting
[09:07] <MSG43> and ndiswrappers not on the cd
[09:07] <nr3884> sry no idea .... how about compiling ? ;)
[09:08] <haltok> hello all
[09:08] <topyli> roozor`trials: i don't know much about alcohol (pun intended) but be sure to "burn and iso" and not a "data cd"
[09:08] <HauntedUnix> Hello all..
[09:08] <topyli> "burn an iso" that is
[09:08] <vpalle> how do i downgrade a kernel in ubuntu?
[09:08] <HauntedUnix> http://rafb.net/paste/results/D6kbWV17.html -- any suggestion what would've caused that (after doing an apt-get update)
[09:09] <nr3884> vpalle .... no idea, but download the source of your desired kernel and compile it ;) (i think im starting to repeat myself ^^)
[09:10] <MSG43> h
[09:10] <MSG43> hi
[09:10] <MSG43> I need help with ndiswrapper
[09:10] <MSG43> I can't build or use a deb of ndiswrapper in ubuntu
[09:10] <HauntedUnix> Tell us about it, perhaps?
[09:10] <MSG43> this is my error I've been getting http://www.pastebin.com/242217
[09:10] <haltok> i am trying to change my GDM login screen, but when i try to add new theme, it says "not a tar or tar.gz file" but they are tar files
[09:11] <HauntedUnix> MSG43: you need gcc installed
[09:11] <topyli> HauntedUnix: you are using the marillat debian source, which follows debian development. ubuntu and debian at this point are too different, and apt cannot satisfy the dependencies
[09:11] <MSG43> hauntedunix
[09:11] <MSG43> is that on the cd
[09:11] <HauntedUnix> MSG43: urpmi gcc
[09:11] <HauntedUnix> topyli: Thank you - so I have to disable that, and sudo apt-get update?
[09:11] <topyli> HauntedUnix: that's what i did
[09:11] <MSG43> HauntedUnix: Is that going to download? Cause I can't download anything
[09:12] <HauntedUnix> MSG43: shouldn't need to
[09:12] <MSG43> ok thanks
[09:13] <haltok> disregard my question
[09:13] <topyli> HauntedUnix: urpmi is not likely to work on ubuntu :)
[09:13] <HauntedUnix> topyli: did I say urpmi? d'oh
[09:14] <HauntedUnix> I meant apt-get install gcc
[09:14] <HauntedUnix> Sorry, topyli, and The dude who's going to realise it won't work 8)
[09:14] <topyli> hehe
[09:14] <HauntedUnix> Guess what distro I'm an op for :-P
[09:14] <Nire-work> what steps do I have to take to install xorg on ubuntu?
[09:15] <topyli> HauntedUnix: yeah, i like mandrake too
[09:15] <CarlK> Nire - hoary! ;)
[09:15] <Nire-work> this is on a max g3 also
[09:15] <Nire-work> not sure if that matters
[09:16] <raven3x7> Hello
[09:16] <HauntedUnix> I'm gonna head off, thanks for the help topyli. Could you apologise to MSG43 when he comes back for my error?
[09:16] <AlphaZero> anyone try to install an icon theme for gnome and have it not work?
[09:17] <raven3x7> I could use some help setting up a driver for an Intel 536 modem. can someone help me out.
[09:17] <Hwolf> Massive msn messenger virus outbreakage right now.
[09:17] <Hwolf> *smiles*
[09:17] <topyli> HauntedUnix: he's going to ask again, and i'll give him your love :)
[09:17] <HauntedUnix> :P
[09:17] <HauntedUnix> Bye bye ;)
[09:18] <raven3x7> ?
[09:18] <topyli> Hwolf: that's bad news, not good
[09:19] <Hwolf> topyli: it's a techincal breakthrough, it's spreading over msn messenger
[09:19] <raven3x7> i've run into some problems during compile since it is looking fr headers in the wrong directory
[09:20] <topyli> Hwolf: so? the users are still in trouble. there's a lot of msn users you know...
[09:21] <Hwolf> topyli: I know, but it is one more dent in Microsofts reputation, especially after the recent forced upgrade that it told all it's users to do.
[09:21] <topyli> bah
[09:22] <Hwolf> topyli: longterm damage will be minimal, the internet will recover, it'll be over in a few days, but it's bad for ms, and probably good for msn alternatives
[09:22] <Hwolf> topyli: now I have nothing against ms really, I respect them, but I'd prefer they wouldn't have a grip on society as big as they have now
[09:22] <topyli> Hwolf: ms has customers, let them work in peace. they will switch in due time :)
[09:23] <mindphazr> Unfortunatly, they got that way by making a product that worked
[09:23] <Nire-work> does hoary come with xfce 4.2 ?
[09:23] <mindphazr> when no one else could
[09:23] <Hwolf> Nire-work: they're working on it
[09:23] <Nire-work> and more importantly, does it fix the issue warty had with ppc booting after the install?
[09:23] <Nire-work> not booting I should say heh
[09:24] <Hwolf> mindphazr: Yeah, but I'd rather not arrive at the piont where they could decide to shut the world economy down. Now call me paranoid, and they won't, but they probably could by now.
[09:24] <mindphazr> Hwolf: You are absolutely correct. I would also rather that not happen. Thats why i believe strongly they should be regulated to not making anything but the OS itself. They are more powerful than any government is.
[09:25] <raven3x7> it is looking for the kernel headers in lib/modules while they are in usr/include/linux. i tried fixing the makefiles but have not been successfull. anyone have any ideas?
[09:25] <Hwolf> In that same trend of thought, I'm not all that excited to see the ipod mini giving Apple the ability to do for movies what they did for itunes. Lots of power there, to push drm and such.
[09:25] <mindphazr> raven3x7: compiling what?
[09:26] <raven3x7> intel 536 modem drivers
[09:26] <topyli> Hwolf: i do sometimes think about things like, who controls my data in the finnish government databases? finland? ms? anyway, they do use a lot of ms stuff
[09:26] <krism> how long until microsoft pisses off enough people that we storm and kill them? :)
[09:26] <topyli> krism: that'll take a lot of time
[09:26] <Hwolf> mindphazr: they are a company, thus like to enjoy big profits. They won't hurt the world, because that would hurt profits. But i'd rather not see my car refuse to drive because of some script-kiddy. Or the government's tanks, for that matter.
[09:26] <mindphazr> Hwolf: Apple is a great company. I have been a apple person since the beginning..they have had many many bad business decisions. They are finally getting it right to keep their business alive. I don't blame companies pushing drm, not one bit. Thats their business, they dont make movies to give away to people
[09:27] <krism> topyli : :)
[09:27] <bestadvocate> Hey dudes!
[09:27] <krism> topyli : or a lot of crazy people
[09:27] <mindphazr> Hwolf: agreed
[09:27] <topyli> yeah. i think this is off topic though
[09:28] <bestadvocate> I identefied my first bug and someone who knows how to program fixed it!
[09:28] <mindphazr> i also enjoy big profits ;)
[09:28] <Hwolf> mindphazr: I love apple, I'm not very sure I'd like to see Apple movies via Apples itunes on Apple's hardware running Apple's Os tho. :-P
[09:28] <Neil3> everyone likes the underdog :)
[09:29] <topyli> bestadvocate: very cool, you're doing your part!
[09:29] <bestadvocate> my bug ----> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6522  my bug went upstream --->http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167470
[09:29] <raven3x7> uhm anyone that can help me please?
[09:29] <bestadvocate> anyone know why hoary auto updates want to uninstall gimp?
[09:30] <Neil3> bring out the gimp
[09:30] <Neil3> the gimp's sleeping
[09:30] <bestadvocate> whats up raven3x7
[09:30] <topyli> bestadvocate: perhaps hoary is simply broken. wait a day and try again :)
[09:30] <scizzo> raven3x7: would be a good idea to know what the problem is?
[09:30] <vrecan> no clue, I resynced with hoary today and gimp updated
[09:30] <scizzo> Neil3: no GIMP is not sleeping
[09:30] <mindphazr> raven3x7: um, not sure why it would be looking for headers in module directory
[09:30] <Neil3> hehe
[09:31] <raven3x7> im trying to compile the intel 636 modem drivers but they are looking in lib/modules for the linux headers instead of usr/include/linux
[09:31] <tritium> bestadvocate, my Hoary is current.  gimp is not going to be uninstalled
[09:31] <raven3x7> 536
[09:32] <bestadvocate> synaptic told me the package gimp was being uninstalled, but there were new packages with Gimp in the name, just didn't want to go through with updates if they were going to take away my poor handicaped graphics program
[09:33] <[Spooky] > hello all!
[09:33] <topyli> raven3x7: do you do the normal .configure ; make ; make install routine to install them? perhaps the configure script has options to set the lib dir
[09:33] <raven3x7> well the drivers are not ubuntu nor debian optimized they are tested on mandrake, fedora and suse, i believe those distros have the headers in /lib/modules/arch/src or something like that
[09:33] <bestadvocate> hazah [spooky]  is here
[09:33] <[Spooky] > anyone have any idea on how mutch the *.tar.gz file size limit is ?
[09:33] <raven3x7> no you do make 536. which runs a number of scripts
[09:34] <bestadvocate> [Spooky] : its not your drive space limit?
[09:34] <crimsun_> [Spooky] : the limit of your filesystem and free storage space, whichever is smaller.
[09:34] <topyli> raven3x7: you could try symlinking too
[09:34] <mindphazr> raven3x7: paste the error at http://www.pastebin.com/
[09:34] <abq> I downloaded the DVD iso, and will burn on a Mac. Can I just drag the contents to the DVD, or do I have to do something to get hidden (.files) as well ? Thanks !
[09:35] <tritium> hey there abq
[09:36] <abq> Hi :)
[09:36] <topyli> abq: the iso is an image of a CD, you must find an option in your burning program to burn it as it is. do not make a data cd
[09:36] <raven3x7> no i/m rather new to linux.  i could just create a symlink from the folder it is looking for to the /usr/include/linux folder
[09:36] <tritium> abq, good to see another New Mexican.
[09:36] <raven3x7> ?
[09:36] <bestadvocate> anyone here use hoary Sound Juicer recently? cause I noticed it didn't tell you what file type you were ripping to and I thought that was stupid
[09:36] <BrianAnthony> goddamnit. lol how do you get java2-common
[09:36] <topyli> abq: or DVD, all the same :)
[09:36] <mindphazr> bestadvocate: Not sure why people use soundjuicer, really. Check out grip
[09:36] <spiral> hi !
[09:36] <BrianAnthony> j2re depends on it
[09:37] <spiral> for information : amarok 1.2 has been released... does anyone here know if it will be packaged for ubuntu, and when ? Riddell maybe ?
[09:37] <lOSTmONK> question, ubuntu doesnt have k3b or anything like it fresh installed?
[09:37] <mindphazr> spiral: It will be as soon, I am sure.
[09:37] <abq> Tritium - Makes me feel better already ;)
[09:37] <tritium> lOSTmONK, no.
[09:38] <tritium> lOSTmONK, try graveman
[09:38] <lOSTmONK> thanks
[09:38] <AndyR> mindphazr, no k3b in fresh install
[09:38] <raven3x7> mindphazr i cant do that im not in ubuntu right now since i cant connect to the net.
[09:38] <tritium> abq, I'm not home right now.  I won't be back in albuquerque until August
[09:38] <AndyR> but it is available
[09:38] <raven3x7> i'll try the symlink though
[09:38] <bestadvocate> AndyR: no can do :]  K3B still wont install on my system
[09:38] <mindphazr> raven3x7: okay
[09:38] <topyli> tritium: it doesn't exactly have graveman either on a fresh install :)
[09:38] <tritium> abq, I'm dying for some decent chile.
[09:38] <lOSTmONK> E: Couldn't find package graveman
[09:38] <tritium> topyli, I know.
[09:38] <AndyR> i have it working here on hoary
[09:39] <raven3x7> thanks brb hopefully
[09:39] <spiral> mindphazr: I hope so... Because the last beta hadn't been packaged...
[09:39] <bestadvocate> I have AMD64, that might be the problem
[09:39] <abq> Tri, lol. I'm kind of partial to AZ for that ..
[09:39] <mindphazr> spiral: Last beta had some issues..i had major issues with it. i would think in the next couple days
[09:39] <bestadvocate> andyR: its been incapable of installing for weeks
[09:39] <agenteo> I need to update the PATH variable, I've modified /etc/profile but after the reboot echo $PATH is not changed... any suggestions? thanks
[09:39] <tritium> abq, for chile?  You can't beat Hatch (chile capital of the world)
[09:40] <spiral> mindphazr: all right, thank you... I hope you're right :-)
[09:40] <topyli> lOSTmONK: look at your /etc/apt/sources.list, and uncomment the "universe" line. then you'll be able to install k3b
[09:40] <lOSTmONK> its un commented
[09:40] <pdaoust> okay, this is wiggity-whack... any idea why I might be getting this message when compiling? /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++
[09:40] <bestadvocate> AndyR: besides its ugly :-)
[09:40] <pdaoust> I'm pretty darn sure I have libstdc++ installed...
[09:40] <abq> Taste, yes. But not spicy enough
[09:40] <topyli> lOSTmONK: and you have apt-get updated?
[09:40] <lOSTmONK> wth
[09:41] <lOSTmONK> yeah
[09:41] <lOSTmONK> my synaptic just dropped off the planet
[09:41] <ja5on> can anyone help with this checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[09:41] <ja5on> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[09:41] <tritium> abq, :)
[09:41] <lOSTmONK> as soon as i went to install
[09:41] <ja5on> I did check the config log . but itmakes no sense to me
[09:41] <[Spooky] > crimsun_: ah ok, i tried zip but it seems to just support max 2 gb...
[09:41] <pdaoust> Ja5on: hmmm, you could try reinstalling gcc and stuff?
[09:41] <tritium> abq, you're originally from AZ?
[09:41] <topyli> lOSTmONK: try apt, it's easier :)
[09:41] <ja5on> I have done
[09:42] <pdaoust> ja5on: aw poo
[09:42] <abq> topyll, thanks much for the info
[09:42] <pdaoust> ja5on: what are you compiling?
[09:42] <lOSTmONK> topyli, says i have unmet dependencies
[09:42] <ja5on> gdesklets
[09:42] <topyli> lOSTmONK: your sources.list must be b0rken
[09:42] <bestadvocate> AndyR: yah its the best burner out there I wish Graveman would hurry up and get good so Gnome wont have such a large weakness
[09:42] <pdaoust> ja5on: did also try to completely uninstall ('Mark for complete removal' in Synaptic) and reinstall gcc?
[09:42] <abq> ...
[09:42] <lOSTmONK> said gnome-panel had unmet deps
[09:43] <ja5on> I'll try agin
[09:43] <richard_> I'm having a rather strange USB problem... anyone know much about USB here?
[09:43] <topyli> lOSTmONK: paste your sources.list in #flood or pastebin.com
[09:43] <pdaoust> richard_: fire away
[09:43] <AndyR> bestadvocate, what fails when you try to install?
[09:43] <richard_> I have a USB 1.1 camera - works fine when plugged directly to the computer
[09:43] <richard_> Fails when connected via a 2.0 hub
[09:43] <bestadvocate> AndyR: a bunch of basic dependencies arnt avalable for K3B
[09:43] <blah09> evenin
[09:43] <pdaoust> ja5on: try also completely removing and reinstalling cpp as well
[09:43] <richard_> The 2.0 hub shows up in usbtree...
[09:44] <bestadvocate> *for KDE rather
[09:44] <lOSTmONK> /etc/apt/sources.lst
[09:44] <agenteo> where do you update the $PATH in ubuntu?
[09:44] <lOSTmONK> is that the right path?
[09:44] <topyli> yes
[09:44] <blah09> /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:44] <topyli> heh, yes
[09:44] <pdaoust> richard_: golly, I dunno, maybe it's not providing enough power to the camera?
[09:44] <shock> for current reasons: http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com
[09:44] <lOSTmONK> weird
[09:44] <AndyR> bestadvocate, you want a copy of my /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[09:44] <blah09> hey does anyone know how to display the messages that whiz by on bootup?
[09:45] <abq> topyll: not sure if my message went through -- thanks for the info !
[09:45] <lOSTmONK> when nano opesn it its empty
[09:45] <topyli> lOSTmONK: /etc/apt/sources.list (not .lst)
[09:45] <lOSTmONK> oh
[09:45] <lOSTmONK> duh
[09:45] <richard_> Tried a second powered 2.0 hub and had same effect... good idfea though... thinking alone same lines
[09:45] <pdaoust> richard_: weirdness... that is something I don't know about, sad to say
[09:46] <topyli> lOSTmONK: thank blah09 for pointing that out :)
[09:46] <richard_> The camera shows up in the usbtree and usbview programs
[09:46] <pdaoust> ???
[09:46] <blah09> ;)
[09:46] <bestadvocate> AndyR: shure, id like to read it, but I actually have a whole lot of sources(universe, multiverse, main,etc,  appended into mine, but most of them dont work because of my 64 bit archetecture :(
[09:46] <lOSTmONK> thanks
[09:46] <richard_> So I think I am missing something about USB.
[09:46] <pdaoust> richard_: you mean when it's plugged into to the hub, it shows up?
[09:46] <lOSTmONK> i just got home from work, so the brain is still kinda fried
[09:46] <lOSTmONK> in #flood u said?
[09:46] <topyli> lOSTmONK: i feel your pain
[09:47] <topyli> lOSTmONK: #flood is ok, but wait a second, so i can join it first
[09:47] <lOSTmONK> ok
[09:47] <richard_> When plugged into the hub it shows up in tree/view but doesn't actually get pictures.
[09:47] <topyli> ok, ready
[09:47] <pdaoust> richard_: that's even more bizarre... USB, in general, should 'Just Work' on Linux
[09:47] <richard_> Which reminds me the ov511 code in ubuntu is old and doesn't work, I had to recompile it
[09:47] <pdaoust> (as long as there are drivers)
[09:47] <blah09> so does anyone know how to display the messages shown during the bootup when the machine is running?
[09:48] <AndyR> bestadvocate, im only on 686
[09:48] <tritium> blah09, dmesg
[09:48] <blah09> ah yes, thanks
[09:48] <richard_> Yes, we are beginning to hate USB and Linux at the office - we cannot get Belkin UPS to work USB either!
[09:48] <JCarax> hi everyone
[09:48] <pdaoust> howdy
[09:48] <bestadvocate> pdaoust: yo
[09:48] <lOSTmONK> could it be because i have the deb sources on there?
[09:48] <lOSTmONK> topyli?
[09:48] <topyli> lOSTmONK: it's quite a mess. :) uncomment all the debian and marillat sources when you don't actually need them
[09:48] <JCarax> I'd need help for loading a module in the boot sequence
[09:48] <pdaoust> bestadvocate: yes?
[09:49] <topyli> lOSTmONK: comment, not uncomment
[09:49] <lOSTmONK> u mean comment them?
[09:49] <lOSTmONK> :P
[09:49] <richard_> As aside noticed that the exim 4.4 conf files are broken too.  Had to bring in 4.2 files to make it work.
[09:49] <lOSTmONK> ok
[09:49] <topyli> lOSTmONK: while you're at it, add multiverse to the ubuntu lines :)
[09:49] <bestadvocate> pdaost: you said hi i said yo
[09:49] <pdaoust> bestadvocate: oh, I gotcha :)
[09:49] <pdaoust> I was just saying hi to JCarax who said hi :)
[09:49] <pdaoust> and the chain goes on :)
[09:50] <JCarax> pdaoust, hi, thanks :D
[09:50] <lOSTmONK> multiverse?
[09:50] <pdaoust> (btw, JCarax, I don't know how to load modules; I was just trying to figure that out the other day)
[09:50] <JCarax> dammit
[09:50] <JCarax> :D
[09:50] <bestadvocate> lOSTmONK, yah multiverse, its like just ruinning sid
[09:50] <pdaoust> JCarax: I think it might be in /etc/conf.d/modules.autoload though, let me check
[09:50] <lOSTmONK> what are the sources then?
[09:50] <pdaoust> JCarax: never mind; Ubuntu doesn't have that director ^_^
[09:51] <abq> tri: Hope to hear from you again, and in the meantime, use dried chili to avoid withdrawl :)
[09:51] <JCarax> It's something what must be loaded before the network configuration
[09:51] <pdaoust> JCarax: sorry, that was a Gentoo thingy :)
[09:51] <blah09> linux-image is my kernel isnt it?
[09:51] <topyli> lOSTmONK: just add multiverse at the end of the line after universe (not the security line IIRC)
[09:51] <blah09> the package linux-image i mean
[09:52] <lOSTmONK> ok
[09:52] <JCarax> pdaoust, thanks anyway
[09:52] <bestadvocate> pdaoust: you use the gentoo?  do you have an opinion on vidalinux?
[09:52] <topyli> lOSTmONK: then do an apt-get update and apt-get -f install and let it fix things. then upgrade
[09:53] <lOSTmONK> ok
[09:53] <Yannick_> anyone know how many other array cd will come up before March official hoary release ;-)
[09:54] <GammaRay> huh?
[09:54] <lOSTmONK> Removing gnome-panel ...
[09:54] <lOSTmONK> Removing gnome-panel-data ...
[09:54] <lOSTmONK> that cant be good
[09:54] <topyli> lOSTmONK: it's not
[09:54] <tritium> blah09, yes
[09:55] <Yannick_> If i install array-4, will i be able to update to current and finally to official hoary with snynaptic?
[09:55] <topyli> lOSTmONK: you have a weird combination of debian and ubuntu packages installed
[09:55] <blah09> ok thanks, i didnt know apt-get upgrade did a kernel update too
[09:55] <Vaijira> Hi
[09:55] <lOSTmONK> probably
[09:55] <topyli> lOSTmONK: but don't lose hope. are you on broadband?
[09:55] <lOSTmONK> oh yeah
[09:55] <bestadvocate> You guys know when you logout? and it has that option, "Save Current Setup"?  Have you ever used it
[09:56] <lOSTmONK> otherwise id never be able to play distro-duck
[09:56] <topyli> lOSTmONK: you can fix this
[09:56] <Vaijira> which console is X, in ubuntu-ppc? i press ctrl+alt+fn+f7 and it doesn't work
[09:56] <hile> mm, are we getting apache2-* patches soon for pcre problems? Already fixed, not in mirrors or what is the status?
[09:56] <Yannick_> yes bestadvocate and it works great
[09:56] <Ribs> bestadvocate: it just tells gnome to try and save any open windows you have, and will try to re-open them when you log back in (ie. by restarting the program, or opening Natilus agian etc. etc.)
[09:56] <topyli> lOSTmONK: drop to a console and kill gdm. then do the apt-get -f install and let it remove what it wants. then upgrade and install ubuntu-desktop. then restart gdm
[09:56] <Ribs> It's nothing special, and it rather annoying, I find.
[09:57] <vishal> hi guys...can anyone tell me where I can find kernel headers on my system?
[09:57] <bestadvocate> Yannick_: the only 2 times I ever tried the gnome-pannel, and nautilus wouldent start when I try to log back in.  The only way I could get them to work again was to delete my gnome configuration files completely.    I'm scared to try again.
[09:57] <tritium> vishal, use dpkg -L to find the files in a package
[09:57] <lonewolff> is there any way to stop a touchpad from registering clicks by pressing on the pad?
[09:57] <hile> the pcre-problem is fixed in debian's 2.0.53-4 packages, I think ubuntu follows these packages closely...
[09:57] <lOSTmONK> atm i just need to get a cd burnt
[09:58] <lOSTmONK> i dont really have the time to try and fix this now
[09:58] <topyli> lOSTmONK: you don't need k3b to do that :)
[09:58] <vishal> tritium: Thanks
[09:58] <hile> vishal: you need to install linux-headers-* package matching your kernel version
[09:58] <nr3884> console is enough
[09:58] <lOSTmONK> but man, i reeeeeeeeeeeeally hate trying to use cdrecord
[09:59] <bestadvocate> lOSTmONK you can use natutilus if its just a data cd
[09:59] <shock> ?
[09:59] <topyli> lOSTmONK: take it as a lesson ;)
[09:59] <tritium> vishal, you already have them installed, and you're just trying to locate them?
[09:59] <shock> IOSTmONK
[09:59] <shock> whats the problem?
[09:59] <pdaoust> bestadvocate: hi, sorry, I use GNOME typing break to force me to get away from the computer, and it locked me out :) I don't know much about Vidalinux, but I do know Portage is a superb package manager, and if Vidalinux is a Gentoo derivative, then it inherits that Portage goodness
[09:59] <comanche> BWAHAHAHAHAHA...Sage can't parse XML.com's RSS feed
[09:59] <vishal> tritium: synaptic tells me i have linux-kernel-headers package installed
[09:59] <blah09> lOSTmONK, you could use gnomebaker...
[09:59] <joh_> Is libssl-dev broken in ubuntu warty ?
[09:59] <vishal> will that one do?
[10:00] <bestadvocate> pdaoust: it is, combined with anaconda.
[10:00] <vishal> hile/tritium: or will i need specific one?
[10:00] <topyli> shock: in short, lOSTmONK has a broken installation of debian/ubuntu packages and cannot install anything
[10:00] <hile> specific one
[10:00] <tritium> vishal, that package depends on a specific one
[10:00] <lOSTmONK> thats a pretty good sum
[10:00] <topyli> hehe
[10:01] <tritium> vishal, dpkg -l | grep linux-headers to find what's installed
[10:01] <shock> hm... so? nautolus-cd-burner should work fine
[10:01] <shock> its default
[10:01] <lOSTmONK> nautilus?
[10:01] <shock> in ubuntu
[10:01] <lOSTmONK> isnt in the menu
[10:01] <umarmung> Am I the only one that lost removable medias in nautilus' computer location? On Warty I could see my usb stick when mounted, now I don't (running hoary).
[10:01] <vishal> nothing comes up
[10:01] <bestadvocate> lOSTmONK: thats like being an 8 year old who found out he not going to get any bigger
[10:01] <shock> er... just insert a blank cd
[10:02] <bestadvocate> lOSTmONK yah the file manager can burn data cds easy
[10:02] <topyli> lOSTmONK: sure. it's in nautilus, look at the Places menu, there's cd creator. drag files in there and burn away
[10:02] <shock> and isos
[10:02] <lOSTmONK> oh, i dont know nautilus
[10:02] <lOSTmONK> im gnome-illeterate
[10:02] <shock> just right-click on an iso
[10:02] <topyli> lOSTmONK: you use kde?
[10:02] <lOSTmONK> yeah
[10:02] <topyli> ah
[10:02] <shock> and select "write to cd"
[10:02] <shock> oh ok
[10:02] <bestadvocate> lOSTmONK: my spelling lost you?
[10:03] <lOSTmONK> nope
[10:03] <bestadvocate> *pun intended
[10:03] <leitao> please, my X is not going up. how could it be reconfigured automatically?
[10:03] <topyli> lOSTmONK: do you still have gnome installed?
[10:03] <hile> tritium: I don't say anything, running hoary, but linux-kernel-headers package there seems to be useless (no depends)... but this is hoary,so...
[10:03] <lOSTmONK> yeah, im on gnome
[10:03] <shock> is k3b on your system?
[10:03] <topyli> lOSTmONK: well, then nautilus is wherever you open the file manager
[10:03] <shock> cause if it is its what you want
[10:03] <bestadvocate> hayho- i can install K3B, just not KDE, weird
[10:04] <tritium> hile, that's for development.
[10:04] <lOSTmONK> shock, i dont have kde on, but thats what i am used to
[10:04] <tritium> hile, you need linux-headers-#, where # matches the kernel version you're using
[10:04] <shock> can you tell me what it sais about why you cant install anything?
[10:04] <bestadvocate> lOSTmONK you can still boot up nautilus with a file manager
[10:05] <topyli> lOSTmONK: just open any folder, and look at the Places menu. the cd burner is right there
[10:05] <bestadvocate> * with a consul
[10:05] <vi11e> can I install apps from .rpms in ubuntu?
[10:05] <bestadvocate> lOSTmONK just start up nautilus within K3B i bet it works fine (don't know havn't used it since my days with Mandrake
[10:06] <bestadvocate> time to go to bed
[10:06] <hile> tritium: true, that's why I said 'I don't say anything, no reason to confuse anyone using stable versions with development version comments
[10:06] <Ribs> It'll probabily look really ugly tho, so brace yourself
[10:06] <topyli> vi11e: i don't recommend it, but you can always try alien
[10:06] <tritium> hile, what are you talking about?
[10:06] <vi11e> what is alien?
[10:06] <vi11e> I was thinking of trying this game http://foobillard.sunsite.dk/
[10:06] <tritium> hile, that has nothing to do with stable/unstable versions
[10:07] <topyli> vi11e: installs rpms and slack packages on debian
[10:07] <hile> tritium: i have no trouble compiling kernel modules, just wanted to note that on hoary the linux-kernel-headers package does not depend on anything
[10:07] <CarlK> wholy crap... mounting the iso worked
[10:07] <topyli> vi11e: there are debs for foobillard, don't use the rpm
[10:07] <vi11e> oh sweet
[10:07] <vi11e> why aren't they on the website
[10:07] <topyli> vi11e: you can apt-get it
[10:07] <glyph> CarlK: is there a nice clicky way to mount ISOs in ubuntu?
[10:08] <tritium> hile, no, but linux-headers-2.6.10-3 depends on linux-headers-2.6.10-arch
[10:08] <hile> yeah I know
[10:08] <tritium> hile, similar dependencies for linux-headers-686, etc.
[10:08] <vi11e> sweet, thanks
[10:08] <tritium> I wasn't talking about linux-kernel-headers ever
[10:08] <topyli> vi11e: if you enable the "universe" repository, you can apt-get pretty much the same things you can on debian
[10:08] <AndyR> bestadvocate, just about to send it to you in /priv window
[10:08] <bestadvocate> glyph: doesn't it do automagical things for you? I can't remember the last time I mounted something other than to add it to Fstab
[10:09] <bestadvocate> AndyR cool thanks
[10:09] <hile> tritium: someone else said something about it, that's what I commented, never mind
[10:09] <vi11e> ok
[10:09] <glyph> bestadvocate: not with ISO files :)
[10:09] <topyli> vi11e: unsupported of course, like debian tends to be =)
[10:09] <glyph> bestadvocate: I mean, I can click to burn it to a CD, but it would be cool if nautilus automatically did what the Mac "Disk Utility" did
[10:10] <Xappe> any news about the problems related to the switch to polypaudio?
[10:10] <tritium> Xappe, no, not so far.
[10:11] <vi11e> damn, it runs pretty slow and it slowed down my whole system...hmm
[10:11] <bestadvocate> glyph: i see your right that would be cool and clickety
[10:11] <blah09> hm any laptop peeps around?
[10:11] <tritium> blah09, no, only laptop poops
[10:11] <topyli> vi11e: your graphics drivers are not doing too good. which graphics card do you have?
[10:11] <Xappe> tritium, semms like people haven't noticed yet. only 35 ppl have read my post on the Hoary forum
[10:11] <vi11e> ati 9600 pro
[10:11] <vi11e> rad
[10:11] <glyph> Xappe: ... switch to polypaudio?
[10:11] <bestadvocate> blah09: alas ubuntu cashed and burned on the install to my laptop
[10:12] <glyph> Xappe: when does this happen?
[10:12] <tritium> Xappe, it'll probably take a little time
[10:12] <Xappe> glyph, it already has in Hoary
[10:12] <topyli> vi11e: there's help on the ubuntu wiki for installing the evil binary drivers for ati cards
[10:12] <blah09> =/
[10:13] <blah09> im having some issues with speedstep
[10:13] <blah09> its stuck at 600 =/
[10:13] <blah09> not the most pleasant speed to be compiling a kernet at
[10:13] <bestadvocate> ttfn
[10:13] <leitao> please, my x is not starting. how can i reconfigure it?
[10:14] <MSG43> hi
[10:14] <MSG43> I need help
[10:14] <vi11e> Q: I have accelerated drivers installed - still Foobillard runs that slow...A: If you compiled Foobillard on your machine, you might link against the wrong libGL. There might be some older libGL or libGLMesa lying around. You have to ensure that the link libGL.so without the trailing version numbers (e.g. libGL.so.0.3.2) points to the accelerated lib.
[10:14] <MSG43> when try to mount ndiswrapper I get this error
[10:14] <MSG43> root@ubuntu:~/netgear # modprobe ndiswrapper
[10:14] <MSG43> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format
[10:14] <vi11e> could be smth like this hmm
[10:14] <vi11e> I didn't compile, could it link it to wrong libgl
[10:14] <empe> do you need to put in ddr in pairs?
[10:15] <blah09> no
[10:15] <topyli> vi11e: you certainly need the ati drivers to play a 3d game like foobillard. next time, buy a matrox card :)
[10:15] <vi11e> ok
[10:15] <blah09> only dual channel DDR
[10:15] <empe> ahh thanks
[10:15] <topyli> vi11e: maybe you didn't specify the newly built driver in your X config file?
[10:15] <nixerx> can someone help me set up a ppp dialup account.
[10:16] <delltony> anyone here had any luck getting dvdshrink to actually work correctly in wine?
[10:17] <vi11e> maybe I didn't because I am a real new for linux :S
[10:17] <vi11e> maybe I don't have ati installed
[10:17] <nixerx> delltony have you tried using wintools to configure wine?
[10:17] <topyli> vi11e: i found the instructions: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:17] <delltony> the winesetup thing? or is that different?
[10:18] <MSG43> when I try to modprobe ndiswrapper I get this error
[10:18] <MSG43> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format
[10:18] <MSG43> please help
[10:18] <nixerx> delltony, differnet than winesetup
[10:18] <delltony> oh ok
[10:18] <delltony> then no i haven't
[10:18] <dsw> hello l update to hoary and resolution is 800x600 l can,t works 1024x800
[10:18] <vi11e> linux restricted modules 2.6.8.1-1.1 hmm.. how could I check my kernel version again? I remember tho it was smth 2.6.8
[10:18] <nixerx> Its pretty nice. Ill sed yo the link
[10:18] <lOSTmONK> wow
[10:18] <nixerx> http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/
[10:18] <dsw> whit xfree86 it works fine
[10:18] <tezza> vi11e: uname -r
[10:18] <lOSTmONK> i cant even access my gmail
[10:18] <nixerx> Maybe itll help.
[10:18] <tritium> Xappe, what are you trying to run in wine?
[10:19] <topyli> MSG43: i was told by the guy who told you to use the urpmi command that he's sorry. he ment apt-get of course :)
[10:19] <delltony> ok thanks
[10:19] <nixerx> delltony, np
[10:19] <MSG43> topyli: ok I didn't work but I did get it installed
[10:19] <MSG43> but I can't modprobe ndiswrapper
[10:19] <nixerx> Anyone know how to set upa modem to dial as a regular user?
[10:19] <blah09> isnt there a gnome wizard to do that?
[10:20] <vi11e> hmm my kernel is 2.6.10-2-386. what exactly means this: Note: requires linux-restricted modules >= 2.6.8.1.1-1 <--?
[10:20] <dsw> Anyone can say me the fv and fh of a tft 15"
[10:20] <Xappe> tritium, nothing right now, but I've had huge amounts of trouble and instability trying to get dc++ to run
[10:20] <delltony> which do you recommend the gzip or the rpm and convert it with alien?
[10:20] <nixerx> blah09, Yes but for what ever reson it dosent activate the ppp connection...however I can wvdial
[10:20] <tritium> Xappe, did you try wine and winetools .deb from winehq.com ?
[10:21] <dsw> anyone works hoary whit Xfree86?
[10:21] <nixerx> delltony, see if synaptic has it in universe
[10:21] <delltony> i looked didn't see it
[10:21] <leitao> could anyone help me with X?
[10:21] <topyli> vi11e: you'll have to install linux-restricted-modules and it has to be the same version your kernel is
[10:21] <nixerx> delltony, you could use alien.
[10:22] <delltony> ok
[10:22] <Xappe> tritium, yes and no. I added the wine repo to get the latest, but winetools i've never even heard of
[10:22] <nixerx> leitao, Ill try,.
[10:22] <tritium> Xappe, winetools is setup to allow you to install DC++, whatever that is.
[10:22] <blah09> do the nvidia drivers work ok in xorg?
[10:22] <tritium> Xappe, winetools is awesome.
[10:22] <nixerx> blah09, They did under slack
[10:22] <MSG43> I'm switching to another distro
[10:22] <Xappe> tritium, a dc client. but now a port of it is in progress
[10:22] <blah09> hm ok thanks
[10:22] <tritium> Xappe, dc?
[10:22] <Xappe> tritium, direct connect
[10:23] <leitao> nixerx : thank you! ;-) When i installed ubuntu. the X was automatically configured. so i change some configuration inside XF86config. now it is not working anyone. i want that ubuntu automatically detect my vga board and configure my x again, as the first time. :-) Suggestion?
[10:23] <topyli> MSG43: won't help.  you'll have to face the same problems on anything
[10:23] <tritium> Xappe, what is it used for?  Here's the url: http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[10:23] <blah09> xappe DC++ works in wine...
[10:23] <tezza> anyone able to get a depress on their laptop touchpad to click?
[10:23] <leitao> s/anyone/anymore/
[10:23] <nixerx> leitao, try X --configure as root
[10:23] <blah09> tezza it works for me
[10:23] <nixerx> now wait
[10:23] <Xappe> blah09, yes I know. but it crashes too much
[10:23] <blah09> oh
[10:23] <leitao> nixerx : thx i'll try
[10:23] <MobyTurbo> topyli, he's already left the channel
[10:23] <blah09> ive never had issues
[10:24] <tritium> Xappe, here's winetools (available in .deb from winehq.com repos): http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/
[10:24] <nixerx> leitao,dpkg-reconfigure Xfree*^ or something like that
[10:24] <blah09> can i check whether im running xfree or xorg?
[10:24] <topyli> MobyTurbo: yeah, noticed it too late
[10:24] <Xappe> blah09, and now I'm running linuxdc++
[10:24] <blah09> linuxdc++?
[10:24] <blah09> is that new?
[10:24] <nixerx> blah09, check your config file.
[10:24] <delltony> ok nix quick question after installing whats the command to set it up
[10:24] <Xappe> blah09, yes. not fully stable yet, but I like it so far...
[10:24] <tezza> blah09: can you show me your X config?
[10:24] <delltony> so i don't have to do dpkg -L to find which file its using
[10:24] <blah09> yep tezza ill pm it to you
[10:25] <Xappe> tritium, I'll check it out
[10:25] <nixerx> Where did it get installed to?
[10:25] <nixerx> you can check the package proertirs under synaptic
[10:25] <tritium> Xappe, cool.
[10:25] <nixerx> *properties*
[10:26] <nixerx> Sound Juicer kicks ass!
[10:26] <delltony> must be wt?
[10:26] <tritium> beats the interface in grip
[10:26] <nixerx> sound bout right delltony
[10:26] <nixerx> tritium, Yep and I loved grip
[10:26] <topyli> nixerx: yeah. "sound quality: coming soon!"
[10:26] <delltony> alright gonna try is the interfact faily straightforward
[10:26] <delltony> or do i need to take up rocket science?
[10:27] <tritium> topyli, sound profiles are available now with soundjuicer
[10:27] <nixerx> delltony, do the basic first you canalways tweak later.
[10:27] <topyli> tritium: oh? good news!
[10:27] <vi11e> topyli, the download pack is about size of 20M or 40M or something like few kb? I found this: http://mirrors.xmission.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10/
[10:27] <tritium> topyli, you're not running Hoary?
[10:28] <nixerx> topyli, I rip to flack anyway
[10:28] <topyli> tritium: no, i got tired of it and downgraded
[10:28] <nixerx> *flac*
[10:28] <tritium> topyli, I see
[10:28] <delltony> any idea on this ?
[10:28] <delltony> /usr/local/bin/wt: line 1617: /usr/local/winetools/Xdialog: No such file or directory
[10:28] <delltony> cat: /usr/local/winetools/README.20050111: No such file or directory
[10:28] <delltony> /usr/local/bin/wt: line 1642: /usr/local/winetools/Xdialog: No such file or directory
[10:28] <seacyd> Hi, I am experiencing a lot of total freezes recently. I had upgraded to hoary recently. Where can I see what causes the lock? In which log do I have to look at?
[10:28] <blah09> hehe Lindo
[10:28] <blah09> kotor2 is awesome :)
[10:28] <topyli> tritium: a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do. like work and stuff :)
[10:28] <Lindo> it is isnt it :D
[10:28] <nixerx> delltony, did you use the tabal;?
[10:28] <tritium> topyli, for sure
[10:28] <Xappe> blah09, http://linuxdcpp.berlios.de/
[10:29] <blah09> oh thanks
[10:29] <blah09> is that by any chance the same as dcgui-qt?
[10:29] <delltony> no i only installed winetools from that rpm
[10:29] <delltony> and wine thats all
[10:29] <tritium> delltony, use winetools .deb
[10:29] <Lindo> blah09 u darkside or lightside ? :p
[10:29] <seacyd> With total freeze I mean that neither mouse nor keyboard can be used. I have to pull the plug and do a restart.
[10:29] <Xappe> blah09, no, it's a dc++ port
[10:29] <delltony> there is a deb for it?
[10:29] <nixerx> delltony, did you alien
[10:29] <delltony> yes
[10:29] <tritium> delltony, yes, from winehq.com
[10:29] <blah09> lindo im playing dark
[10:29] <mirak> anyone use colinx here ?
[10:29] <mirak> colinux
[10:29] <delltony> ok let me try that one then hang on
[10:30] <blah09> Lindo you?
[10:30] <vi11e> I have the same freeze seacyd
[10:30] <tritium> delltony, http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[10:30] <Lindo> blah09: nice, im playin light :P
[10:30] <blah09> thanks Xappe
[10:30] <tritium> delltony, add those repos, then apt-get install winetools
[10:30] <blah09> well ill probably play a light male next time round
[10:30] <seacyd> ville: So happy to be online, now?
[10:30] <Lindo> hehe
[10:30] <seacyd> ville: Any reason for that?
[10:30] <Xappe> blah09, and I totally hate the dcgui-qt (now known as Valknut) ui
[10:30] <vi11e> I get it not often but sometimes
[10:30] <Lindo> how far into the game are you ?
[10:30] <blah09> i hate dcgui too =)
[10:30] <vi11e> and I don't have any idea... I am new to linu
[10:30] <blah09> lindo i just built the sabre, i started on dantooine
[10:30] <blah09> saber*
[10:31] <Lindo> okay :D
[10:31] <blah09> double bladed, red =)
[10:31] <vi11e> didn't try to solve it yet, since it doesn't happen too often
[10:31] <blah09> you?
[10:31] <Lindo> i got a single purple one :P
[10:31] <blah09> =)
[10:31] <blah09> i mean how far in are you
[10:31] <Xappe> blah09, the only way to install linuxdcpp is by cvs though
[10:31] <Lindo> off hand a vibroblade
[10:31] <blah09> oh =/
[10:31] <seacyd> ville: ok, unfortunately it is occuring 8/10 when I start the computer
[10:31] <blah09> hm dont they have short sabers?
[10:31] <linux-rulz> Hey all, I just installed the kernel security update released today, but my linux-restricted-modules-2.6-386 package refuses to update, is this normal?
[10:31] <blah09> i recall using one in the first game
[10:31] <Xappe> blah09, but it's easy to accomplish
[10:31] <tritium> linux-rulz, no, but it's a temporary problem right now
[10:32] <linux-rulz> ah, ok, just making sure it wasnt only me
[10:32] <Lindo> blah09: havent found one yet
[10:32] <vi11e> oh , that's real bad then
[10:32] <blah09> ok ill give linuxdc++ a shot
[10:32] <Lindo> blah09 im on nar shaddaa right now, already been to dantooine :D
[10:32] <blah09> ah ok =)
[10:32] <blah09> a little further then
[10:32] <blah09> the Disciple hates me i think :)
[10:32] <CarlK> hoary install asking me to pick a kernel - where are they discribed?
[10:32] <linux-rulz> My kernel has spit a couple of error messages back at me about my external DVD burner since I upgraded, do you think this is because of the restricted modules?
[10:32] <Xappe> blah09, a good thing is that it is gtk
[10:33] <topyli> vi11e: no freezes or crashes are acceptable. this system does not freeze or crash
[10:33] <blah09> nice =)
[10:33] <Lindo> disciple is eeeeeeevviiillllll i think :PP
[10:33] <seacyd> yes, :-(
[10:34] <topyli> vi11e: what i mean is there's something badly wrong if you get those :)
[10:34] <vi11e> Yes, I believe I need some tweaking to do. So do you know which log files we could check cornerning about those freezes Topyli?
[10:34] <topyli> vi11e: dunno. what is it that freezes?
[10:35] <vi11e> well, my system freezes sometimes if I just hmm.. for example try eject one of my dvd's which has a bad scratch at some sector, dvd-rw can be burnt up to 1.8gb anymore
[10:35] <vi11e> nothing happens, keyboard and mouse stops responding
[10:35] <tritium> delltony, did you try it?
[10:35] <delltony> working on it
[10:35] <delltony> almost done
[10:36] <seacyd> topyli: if I may join in, for me it is mouse and keyboard, no way to do ALT..Backspace
[10:36] <Xappe> blah09, here's a screenshot: http://www.delta.se/~jon/Screenshot3.png (yes, it's called Wulfor reloaded)
[10:36] <seacyd> topyli: it occurs after login in as user, I see the splash, then it stops
[10:36] <vi11e> me couldn't either.... can you do ctrl+alt+F2 or to console
[10:36] <seacyd> ville: no, nothing
[10:36] <delltony> ok got the gui on winetools now any thing special i need to know
[10:36] <topyli> vi11e: that sounds like a bug to me
[10:37] <vi11e> for me it happens after hours of use
[10:37] <delltony> before proceedin?
[10:37] <kent> If i add a printer with the cupsdeamon on localhost:631,  how do i make that printer show up in gnome programs? I can print with lpr -Pprintername from a terminal, but i cant realy ask my brother to do that when he wants to print :(
[10:37] <topyli> seacyd: usually i blame video drivers on those :)
[10:37] <vi11e> yea probably, then I get more often programs freezing, like openoffice word processor froze when I was pressing the save button today :P
[10:38] <delltony> base install first right
[10:38] <delltony> then just go down the menu?
[10:38] <seacyd> toplyi: might be, with warty this never happend, no with (unstable) hoary it is happening
[10:38] <tritium> delltony, are you asking me?
[10:38] <seacyd> topyli: sorry for spelling you wrongly
[10:39] <tritium> delltony, yes, base install
[10:39] <delltony> yes
[10:39] <topyli> seacyd: ah, hoary =)
[10:39] <blah09> Xappe that is slick
[10:39] <vi11e> hmm topyli about installing the restricted module, am I supposed to download a .bin file from some ubuntu website and then simply install it or can I get it thru apt-get aswell?
[10:39] <blah09> although the name is a little... unfortunate :)
[10:39] <tritium> delltony, what do you intend to run under wine?
[10:39] <seacyd> topyli: maybe I find out how to downgrade to warty warthog
[10:39] <delltony> dvdshrink hopefully
[10:39] <tritium> I see
[10:40] <topyli> vi11e: you can apt-get it. what processor do you have?
[10:40] <delltony> remove existing wine config yes or no?
[10:40] <CarlK> delltony - check out #winehq
[10:40] <delltony> ok
[10:40] <vi11e> amd athlon
[10:40] <vi11e> i386 version to dl mm
[10:42] <seacyd> downgrading seems not an real option. There are big warnings of having a broken system thereafter. Not much of change though.
[10:42] <topyli> vi11e: so, you can apt-get install linux-image-k7 and linux-restricted-modules-k7 and they will always depend on the latest kernel and modules
[10:42] <seacyd> But isn't there a log where I can look at?
[10:43] <vi11e> dmesg
[10:43] <vi11e> or tail /var/log/messages
[10:43] <vi11e> check those if nothing comes up :P
[10:43] <topyli> seacyd: downgrading debian is pain
[10:43] <vi11e> ok topyli
[10:44] <seacyd> ville and topyli: ok and never look back
[10:44] <topyli> heh
[10:44] <leitao> please, i have booted a scsi kernel. now i need to access hda, but the kernel doesnt see it. what can i do? should i add some ide module?
[10:44] <topyli> leitao: what's a scsi kernel?
[10:45] <delltony> tritium: i'll be back in a ew mins thanks to you and other for the help
[10:45] <tritium> delltony, np
[10:45] <tritium> leitao, not sure what you mean, but try modprobing ide_disk
[10:45] <leitao> topyli : humn. i kernel that dont see ide, but booted from a scsi disk.
[10:45] <leitao> tritium : nothing. :-(
[10:46] <topyli> hrmpf
[10:46] <topyli> sorry, never had scsi disks here
[10:46] <leitao> topyli : ;-)
[10:47] <fuldls> how can i can antialiased fonts in my emacs?
[10:47] <topyli> fuldls: dream on :)
[10:48] <Ribs> lol
[10:48] <fuldls> its possible, is saw a bench of screenshots
[10:48] <topyli> fuldls: try to get a perfectly sized font for your resolution, that's the best you can do
[10:49] <topyli> fuldls: really? someone has done this?
[10:49] <HrdwrBoB> well
[10:49] <seacyd> leitao: Maybe: have you compiled SCSI support into the kernel, rather than as a module?
[10:49] <HrdwrBoB> if it's running in a terminal
[10:49] <HrdwrBoB> it's straightforward
[10:50] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: sure, a gnome-terminal or konsole is different
[10:50] <leitao> seacyd : i dont know. it is the ubuntu default. i installed ubuntu 3 minutes ago!
[10:50] <fuldls> topyl, yeah
[10:50] <seacyd> topyli, ville: Looked at messages, the last lines had something to do with gconfd. Where does it leave me here?
[10:51] <delltony> okay tritium after the base install i see install addition software and all much like crossover and all
[10:51] <tritium> delltony, yep
[10:51] <delltony> my question is how do i install dvdshrink or just do the manual wine <exe> ?
[10:51] <fuldls> http://www.marcelotoledo.org/stuff/screenshots/emacs21_antialiased
[10:51] <seacyd> leitao: not sure, would guess it to be module. Do a lsmod to list all modules.
[10:52] <leitao> seacyd : my scsi is supported by a module. aic7xxx.
[10:52] <topyli> seacyd: sometimes it's good to delete .ICEauthority (or such) files from /tmp and your home. perhaps ~/.gconfd too
[10:52] <topyli> seacyd: ~/.xauthority too
[10:53] <topyli> seacyd: but you'll have to do that from the console before logging in to gnome
[10:53] <seacyd> delltony: manual wine dvdshrink.exe should work for installing it
[10:53] <thundrcleeze> topyli, why is it good to delete them?  Aren't they needed?
[10:53] <vi11e> hmm I hope did right, i installed those k7 both... maybe I could now go back to installing those ati fglrx's
[10:54] <delltony> ok
[10:54] <topyli> thundrcleeze: they are useful, as long as they don't get messed up. remember, seacyd is running hoary
[10:54] <delltony> i was just wondering never used winetools before
[10:54] <delltony> will try
[10:54] <crimsun_> hola tsj*
[10:54] <thundrcleeze> topyli, what is their function?
[10:54] <topyli> vi11e: you'll have your new kernel running only after a reboot
[10:54] <topyli> thundrcleeze: session management
[10:55] <topyli> i guess :)
[10:55] <thundrcleeze> If I deleted them, would they automatically be re-created if they are messed up?
[10:55] <topyli> where are the gnome gurus when you need them?
[10:55] <topyli> thundrcleeze: yes
[10:55] <crimsun_> the gnome gurus are "around"
[10:56] <seacyd> topyli: yes, I had expected session saving is causing havoc. Though I liked it so much, just being able to leave the computer and restart there
[10:56] <topyli> crimsun_: they just let me make an arse of myself before intervening :)
[10:56] <vi11e> Package fglrx-driver is a virtual package provided by:
[10:56] <vi11e>   xorg-driver-fglrx 6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu5  xfree86-driver-fglrx 4.3.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu5You should explicitly select one to install.E: Package fglrx-driver has no installation candidate
[10:57] <topyli> vi11e: how come you have xorg packages there? are you running hoary?
[10:57] <vi11e> yup
[10:57] <topyli> pfft
[10:57] <topyli> well, are you running xfree or xorg now?
[10:58] <vi11e> puuh, I believe xfree... these terms are unknown to me....=S
[10:58] <tritium> delltony, sorry, I didn't see your message without my nick
[10:58] <tritium> Anyway, I need to get going.
[10:58] <tritium> good luck
[10:58] <seacyd> topyli and others: Thanks for the chat and tips, I have to go.
[10:59] <delltony> tritium:  this help
[10:59] <delltony> ?
[10:59] <seacyd> good luck ville
[10:59] <tritium> delltony, yes ;)
[10:59] <vi11e> I think I should read some before going for things... I thort I knew enough though, but it seems controlling linux needs still more
[10:59] <topyli> vi11e: don't believe, check with X -version
[10:59] <tritium> delltony, but I'm leaving now.  Good luck.  Bye.
[10:59] <delltony> tritium: thanks later
[11:00] <vi11e> heh,.. amused, it says xorg actually
[11:00] <vi11e> this is the pre-realease versino of x.org foundation x11
[11:00] <topyli> vi11e: controlling ubuntu is easy. you're playing with an unstable development version. anyway, you need to specify the xorg version of the driver of course
[11:01] <topyli> vi11e: you also need to reboot before you're running the correct kernel
[11:02] <vi11e> X Window System Version 6.8.1.902 (6.8.2 RC 2) (Ubuntu 6.8.1-1ubuntu16 20050209180945 root@rockhopper.warthogs.hbd.com)  OS Kernel: Linux version 2.6.10-2-386 (buildd@mcmurdo) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-6ubuntu1))
[11:02] <raven3x7> hello again
[11:02] <zenrox> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.10-3-686 CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz 2001.082 MHz Bogomips: 3964.92 Mem: 282/504M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 74.26G Free: 27.30G Procs: 87 Uptime: 2 days 13 hrs 43 mins 48 secs Load: 2.03 1.77 2.02  Screen: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]  (rev a1) Screen Resolution: 1600x1200 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 3.49G Out: 1.01G
[11:02] <vi11e> I need a reboot now topyli, a moment
[11:02] <zenrox> hehehe
[11:02] <zenrox> me runs off
[11:03] <topyli> vi11e: yep. you just installed a kernel for your athlon, but you're still running an 386 (intel) kernel
[11:03] <topyli> hrmpf
[11:03] <zenrox> what
[11:03] <topyli> grr
[11:04] <raven3x7> can anyone tell me were ubuntu has the makefile which contains the rules for kernel module compiling? its not in /usr/include/linux
[11:04] <topyli> raven3x7: it's in /boot
[11:05] <zenrox> raven3x7,  search the wiki for kernel compile
[11:05] <eliasson> Hi, what can i do when my workstation stops to respond when i run 'apt-get install xserver-xfree86', it stops when it says 'Preconfiguring packages...'.
[11:05] <eliasson> Very strang.
[11:05] <raven3x7> thanks
[11:05] <zenrox> eliasson,  it might take some time
[11:05] <floater> topyli: heh...ok
[11:05] <zenrox> if its a slow machine
[11:05] <eliasson> zenrox: on my laptop it took about 30 secounds.
[11:06] <eliasson> and this computer is 4th times faster.
[11:06] <zenrox> hmm
[11:06] <blah09> hey how do i defrag my drive in linux?
[11:06] <mjt> is it really stops responding?
[11:06] <mjt> blah09: you don't
[11:06] <zenrox> eliasson,  restart in recovery mode and run that command
[11:06] <eliasson> i can stop the script.
[11:06] <zenrox> then reboot
[11:06] <eliasson> ctrl + c
[11:07] <zenrox> and all is dandy
[11:07] <zenrox> ya crtl+c
[11:07] <eliasson> recovery mode?
[11:07] <topyli> blah09: why would you do that?
[11:07] <zenrox> in the grub boot loader
[11:07] <eliasson> hmm, do you think that will help?
[11:07] <zenrox> then run apt-get ************
[11:07] <blah09> i dont know
[11:07] <eliasson> i try, hold
[11:07] <blah09> dont you have to?
[11:08] <vi11e> topyli: so how do I install the fglrx-driver now? it says about the candidate thing and mentions xorg and xfree. X -version now shows k7 as kernel
[11:08] <eliasson> nah, i can still stop the script.
[11:08] <zenrox> eliasson,  cause its conflicting with the curent running one
[11:08] <Neil3> blah09, as far as i know, the ext3 filesystem doesn't suffer badly from fragmentation and looks after itself aparantly
[11:09] <zenrox> Neil3,  the joys of journling
[11:09] <topyli> vi11e: i have no idea, i always buy matrox cards. look at the instruction on the wiki. :) just make sure you install the right driver for your linux-image-k7 kernel
[11:09] <Neil3> but how exactly does it avoid fragmentation?
[11:09] <vi11e> oki
[11:09] <Neil3> cause i've googled this but not found much, except things that say you don't need to defrag
[11:09] <zenrox> Neil3,  i writes the exact file location
[11:10] <topyli> vi11e: i have an ati card at work, but no need for 3d there so the X drivers are fine for me
[11:10] <mjt> zenrox: fragmentation (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with journalling
[11:10] <eliasson> same thing in recovery mode :(
[11:10] <zenrox> to a noother place and if for some reasen dies dont casue the file to be fragment
[11:10] <eliasson> any other option? :(
[11:10] <eliasson> really want to run ubuntu
[11:11] <zenrox> eliasson,  try a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:11] <topyli> eliasson: that's the spirit! =)
[11:11] <eliasson> its says that its not installed.
[11:12] <vi11e> oki... hummm , well apt-get suggest me to "explicitly choose one to install"
[11:12] <blah09> hm
[11:12] <zenrox> hmmm then try apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[11:12] <topyli> eliasson: ah. that might be a problem. :) do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> vi11e: if you are using xorg get the xorg one
[11:12] <blah09> what about ReiserFS? should be more or less the same right?
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> if you are using xfree86, get that
[11:12] <topyli> vi11e: then choose
[11:12] <vi11e> xserver-xorg
[11:12] <zenrox> hmmm then try apt-get install gdm
[11:12] <vi11e> this command?
[11:12] <zenrox> gdm will work too
[11:12] <eliasson> Xenguy: then it just says: 'Preconfiguring packages'.
[11:12] <vi11e> gdm hmm ok
[11:12] <vi11e> what's gdm then
[11:13] <topyli> vi11e: no the gdm comment was not for you
[11:13] <zenrox> nope
[11:13] <vi11e> =D
[11:13] <pestil> Hello! Who here is or has been involved in IT environments?
[11:13] <topyli> vi11e: what does it say again? paste the whole message
[11:13] <vi11e> Package fglrx-driver is a virtual package provided by:
[11:13] <vi11e>   xorg-driver-fglrx 6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu5
[11:13] <vi11e>   xfree86-driver-fglrx 4.3.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu5
[11:13] <vi11e> You should explicitly select one to install.
[11:14] <vi11e> ahh, bad paste with irssi... x-chat had this option to not flood
[11:14] <pestil> subterrific: are you here?
[11:14] <topyli> vi11e: so, you want xorg-driver-fglrx. do "apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx"
[11:14] <zenrox>  xorg-driver-fglrx 6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu5 <--specify that
[11:14] <Pluk>  
[11:14] <eliasson> any idea why he install works on my laptop but not on my workstation?
[11:14] <Pluk> oops
[11:15] <zenrox> eliasson,  dont know maby nonstd.. hardware
[11:15] <topyli> eliasson: different hardware i guess
[11:15] <pestil> Can anybody suggest a channel for IT-specific help?
[11:15] <mjt> what's it-specific help, really?
[11:15] <topyli> pestil: that's not very specific
[11:15] <eliasson> shall i download another artiecture? 1586?
[11:15] <eliasson> insted of u386?
[11:15] <pestil> As part of a Software Storage Management solution, I am trying to find for a way to log the output to printers
[11:16] <eliasson> i*
[11:16] <topyli> eliasson: what is your arch?
[11:16] <mjt> eliasson: what it is trying to install, exactly?
[11:16] <eliasson> topyli: i dont know, how can i check that?
[11:16] <eliasson> mjt: xfree.
[11:16] <topyli> eliasson: is it a pc? a mac?
[11:16] <eliasson> xserver.
[11:16] <blah09> does anyone know whether epiphany uses the mozilla chrome library thing?
[11:16] <eliasson> topyli: pc.
[11:16] <topyli> eliasson: so get the i386 version
[11:17] <CarlK> just completed hoary server-expert - 800mb foot print - not bad
[11:17] <mjt> eliasson: does it want to install alot of packages, or just one?
[11:17] <eliasson> topyli: then i cant install xserver.
[11:17] <topyli> eliasson: what is your video card?
[11:17] <farruinn> blah09: I don't know about chrome, but I'm pretty sure it uses mozilla for parsing/rendering
[11:17] <eliasson> mjt: it downloads everyting and stops at 'Preconfiguring packages...'.
[11:17] <mjt> topyli: it's irrelevant for now
[11:17] <topyli> ah
[11:17] <mjt> eliasson: but it downloaded ONE package or MANY?
[11:17] <eliasson> topyli: GeForce 4 TI 4200 i think.
[11:18] <eliasson> mjt: many i think.
[11:18] <eliasson> i used "xserver-free86".
[11:18] <mjt> eliasson: do you use synaptic for install?
[11:18] <eliasson> synaptic?
[11:18] <mjt> or just apt-get?
[11:18] <CarlK> is there a web page(s) that show what packages are avliable?
[11:18] <eliasson> hmm, in apt?
[11:18] <eliasson> hold one moment.
[11:18] <johns_> apt-get search should do that
[11:19] <johns_> ah, apt-cache search
[11:19] <farruinn> CarlK: higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www is pretty useful
[11:19] <CarlK> thanks
[11:19] <blah09> thanks farruinn
[11:19] <blah09> so it should use the same plugins too then?
[11:19] <blah09> like mplayer, flash etc
[11:19] <mjt> eliasson: so, as it is failing somewhere, try to install packages it wanted to install one-by one, and find which one fails.  Somewhat.. boring stuff but at least you will know where the problem is, and can debug from that point.
[11:20] <farruinn> blah09: my guess would be yes, but I do'nt know for sure
[11:21] <mjt> eliasson: it should print a list of all pkgs it wants to install. so try some libs first, when some other things etc...
[11:21] <eliasson> mjr: hmm okey.
[11:21] <mjt> s/mjr/mjt/ ;)
[11:21] <eliasson> cant i do 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'?
[11:22] <mjt> who knows ;)
[11:22] <eliasson> with some parameters that shows me some debug?
[11:22] <mjt> eliasson: since it is failing somewhere, and xserver is a "part" of ubuntu-desktop, it may fail too. or may not fail, as we don't yet know why it is failing...
[11:23] <eliasson> how can i get what packages that is in xserver?
[11:23] <eliasson> and install them one by one.
[11:23] <mjt> how are you trying to install it?
[11:23] <eliasson> xserver-xfree86
[11:23] <mjt> apt-get says someghting like "the following packages will be installed: blablabla"
[11:24] <eliasson> aha.
[11:24] <eliasson> okey
[11:24] <mjt> there's no such command "xserver-xfree86"
[11:24] <mjt> i asked not WHAT you're installing but HOW
[11:24] <eliasson> apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[11:24] <mjt> yeah, that's one ;)
[11:24] <mjt> are you installing warty or hoary?
[11:24] <johns_> eh, put a sudo in front of that
[11:24] <eliasson> warty.
[11:25] <mjt> k
[11:25] <eliasson> whats the difference?
[11:25] <topyli> phooh
[11:25] <hybrid> hello all
[11:25] <shock> hoi
[11:25] <topyli> eliasson: if you were running hoary you would get less help :)
[11:25] <zenrox> topyli,  not necerly
[11:26] <eliasson> oh.
[11:26] <zenrox> i am running hoary now
[11:26] <eliasson> is hoary unstable?
[11:26] <farruinn> hoary is in development
[11:26] <zenrox> not from a upgrad stand point eliasson
[11:26] <hybrid> any  one having giam problems??
[11:26] <topyli> zenrox: true. although the same applies as to debian unstable: you may run it if you can fix it when it breaks
[11:26] <zenrox> so thangs will be borken from time to time
[11:27] <zenrox> not me hybrid
[11:27] <hybrid> yea  but not many things break in hoary
[11:27] <hybrid> everytime ii try  to send  a  fille it    boots me
[11:27] <zenrox> thay seem to be quaily imporvements
[11:27] <zenrox> it just works
[11:27] <zenrox> with a little kick
[11:28] <topyli> hybrid: well, it seemed more broken that unstable last i looked
[11:28] <idahoe> Greetings
[11:28] <idahoe> Was anyone at LinuxWorld today?
[11:28] <hybrid> topyli i haavent had but 1 major break and 1 minor
[11:28] <hybrid> damn   g's gaim and gnome
[11:28] <topyli> nice :)
[11:29] <hybrid> yea
[11:29] <topyli> Things Are Advancing
[11:29] <hybrid> yes  they  are
[11:30] <topyli> personally, i'm drooling for gnome-2.10 but cannot afford a testing environment right now :(
[11:31] <hybrid> y cant you
[11:31] <topyli> hybrid: too busy
[11:31] <hybrid> o
[11:31] <popey> i have enabled xdmcp on my ubuntu boxen, but there's no way in gdm to choose to logon to a remote host.. why is this?
[11:32] <hybrid> <--- lovess linuxx hates long nites  well okk  nvm :P
[11:32] <popey> on my debian boxen they have the option in gdm for "session" where you can choose a remote xdmcp box to logon to
[11:33] <topyli> hybrid: arf
[11:33] <hybrid> arf?
[11:33] <farruinn> popey: you probably need the session file which may be provided by another package.  I've never done that though so I don't know
[11:33] <popey> k
[11:33] <popey> thanks
[11:34] <farruinn> I may be wrong but perhaps that's a start
[11:34] <AndyR> popey, :)
[11:35] <topyli> hybrid: i mean that as a word. or something that might come out of a man's mouth anyway. arf :)
[11:35] <hybrid> oo loll
[11:36] <topyli> hehe. you know, not a very happy man :)
[11:37] <hybrid> randabis online??
[11:38] <blah09> does anyone know if i can make epiphany only use tabs, no new windows?
[11:39] <CarlK> um, im trying to find things like gcc, x.org and mplayer on http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/ and getting no hits - is it working?
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> wfm
[11:40] <CarlK> nm... now it works
[11:43] <eliasson> zenrox, mjt: it stops when im trying to install 'xserver-xfree86'.
[11:43] <eliasson> and in the apt it says that only that will be installed.
[11:44] <eliasson> anyone? :/
[11:45] <kent> I just saw that my monitor (Samsung syncmaster 959nf) can do 1600x1200 85hz, is it enough to just enter the mode 1600x1200 in xorg.conf, or do i need to do something else to get it to work with that resolution and hz? Right now, according to my monitor, it runs 1280x1024 in 85hz
[11:45] <tjs> im just doing a dist-upgrade to hoary from a fresh warty install, just about every python package that is to be installed gives me: python-*: Depends python (< 2.4) but 2.4-ubuntu6 is installed
[11:45] <CarlK> eliasson - so install xorg?
[11:45] <zenrox> eliasson,  then do a apt-get -f install xserver-xfree86
[11:45] <tjs> anyone else get this?
[11:46] <eliasson> xorg?
[11:46] <eliasson> CarlK?
[11:46] <zenrox> eliasson,  thats anothe option upgrade to hoary
[11:46] <eliasson> zenrox: that will that be good for?
[11:46] <CarlK> xorg is another X
[11:46] <eliasson> hmm
[11:46] <CarlK> I don't know if it is really an optoin for you
[11:46] <eliasson> will ubuntu-desktop work fine under that?
[11:47] <CarlK> I just installed hoary, and i think xorg is the default
[11:47] <zenrox> eliasson,  maby
[11:47] <eliasson> zenrox: same shit.
[11:47] <zenrox> try it
[11:47] <eliasson> i did.
[11:47] <eliasson> "Preconfiguring packages..."
[11:47] <mjt> eliasson: there are several ways to debug the prob, but they're quite.. complicated
[11:47] <eliasson> hmm
[11:48] <zenrox> eliasson,  try a fresh install (if thare is nother you dont moind lusing)
[11:48] <eliasson> cant you download it from scratch and compile it?
[11:48] <zenrox> not that i know of
[11:48] <eliasson> ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.4.0/source/
[11:48] <eliasson> whats that?
[11:48] <eliasson> just xfree?
[11:49] <zenrox> ya and thats hard to to
[11:49] <zenrox> do
[11:49] <eliasson> fuck :(
[11:49] <zenrox> eliasson,  ya add the sources for hoary and do a update
[11:49] <eliasson> apt source?
[11:49] <eliasson> can you give me the lines please?
[11:50] <eliasson> or
[11:50] <zenrox> eliasson let em pull up the link
[11:50] <blah09> just change your ubuntu sources from warty to hoary
[11:50] <eliasson> insted or "warty" on archive.ubunto.com?
[11:50] <eliasson> okey
[11:50] <mjt> eliasson: re "compiling from scratch": it's some packaging scripts (provided by ubuntu) which fails
[11:50] <blah09> then apt-get update
[11:51] <tjs> does anyone else find hoary to be broken like this?
[11:51] <eliasson> aha.
[11:51] <mjt> tjs: like that?
[11:51] <hybrid> is mono in the repos
[11:52] <tjs> mjt: Im trying to dis-upgrade to hoary from a fresh warty isntall, every python package fails to install with Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu6 is installed
[11:53] <tjs> its just totally vanilla warty from the 4.10 CD, changed the apt-source to hoary main and universe and then apt-get dist-upgrade hoary
[11:54] <Levande1> Is anyone running Bluefish 1.0 on Warty?
[11:55] <Levande1> I found a link to it by jdong on the ubuntu forums, but I don't know if he's saying the linked file works okay under Warty or Hoary?
[11:56] <fetus> hello :X
[11:57] <mjt> tjs: can you pls provide an example of any python package that fails?
[11:57] <howrealisreal> hey. i have a notebook with no floppy, how do i disable the floppy.ko module so i don't get an error on bootup?
[11:58] <howrealisreal> anyone here?
[11:58] <eliasson> ye
[11:59] <hybrid> *notes  thaat  kde lovers shoulld checck out  tux mag*
[11:59] <howrealisreal> do you know how to disable floppy.ko? i have no floppy drive on my system.
[11:59] <eliasson> loppy.ko?
[11:59] <eliasson> floppy.ko*
[11:59] <howrealisreal> yeah.. the module
[11:59] <eliasson> sorry, dont know