[12:00] <howrealisreal> okay. thanks anyway
[12:00] <farruinn> howrealisreal: I don't think that's an exactly simple task
[12:00] <howrealisreal> i have to remake the kernel?
[12:00] <farruinn> maybe, what's the error you get on boot?
[12:00] <mjt> howrealisreal: since it's being loaded somewhere, it should be listed in some config file, and all config files are in /etc.  So, fgrep -r floppy /etc will help...
[12:01] <mjt> howrealisreal: does it sound logical? ;)
[12:01] <howrealisreal> it says when i boot up, something to the extent of: modprobe error initiating floppy.ko, fd0 device does not exist
[12:01] <farruinn> aren't some things set in the initrd.img itself?
[12:01] <howrealisreal> yeah i think i know what you mean
[12:01] <howrealisreal> i looked in /etc/modules.conf bu there wasn't anything there about floppy drives
[12:02] <farruinn> howrealisreal: that doesn't exactly sound like a fatal error...
[12:02] <howrealisreal> it says it is a fatal error but it doesn't hang the boot up
[12:02] <howrealisreal> i just want to get rid of it so i get no errors on startup
[12:02] <mjt> farruinn: initrd is build based on configs found in that some /etc directory ;)
[12:02] <farruinn> well, probably fatal for modprobe, but not for boot
[12:02] <howrealisreal> yeah exactly
[12:02] <howrealisreal> triple5soul
[12:02] <howrealisreal> sorry
[12:02] <farruinn> mjt: then why do I need to modify my initrd.img to make my B&W G3 bootable?
[12:02] <howrealisreal> wrong window
[12:02] <tjs> mjt: python2.4-unit
[12:03] <tjs> I just removed the universe from the apt-source line and its not giving me all the python issues
[12:03] <farruinn> mjt: if you're interested: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=42546&postcount=14
[12:03] <tjs> now I just get a conflict with gimp vs gimp-python
[12:03] <mjt> tjs: Depends: python2.4, python2.4-tk
[12:03] <eliasson> whats the difference between warty and hoary unsept hoary is in developer?
[12:04] <eliasson> is there a special cd for hoary or is it just the apt-package?
[12:04] <farruinn> eliasson: check the website, that will explain it far better than we could
[12:04] <tjs> mjt: yeh, but there is no pyhton2.4 package, only python2.4-0ubuntu6
[12:04] <mjt> farruinn: i know exactly nothing about macx
[12:04] <tjs> which dpkg doesnt think is the same
[12:04] <mjt> tjs: it IS python-2.4, with release 0ubuntu6
[12:04] <Riddell> hybrid: what is tux mag?
[12:05] <farruinn> mjt: that doesn't change the fact that I can't simply modify something in /etc to change which modules are loaded, I have to edit loadmodules in initrd.img
[12:05] <tjs> mjt: yes i know, but apt/dpkg doesnt
[12:05] <eliasson> i cant see any hoary-release on their page.
[12:05] <mjt> eliasson: there's none because hoary isn't released yet
[12:05] <hybrid> Riddell a lot of kde  tips and howtos anda few  product reviews
[12:05] <hybrid> notthing hardcore tho
[12:06] <eliasson> mjt: oh :/
[12:06] <Riddell> hybrid: which country?
[12:06] <Riddell> hybrid: is it available online?
[12:06] <mjt> tjs: and in universe, there's indeed some different Depends: line
[12:06] <hybrid> Riddell yea h/o ill get u thee link
[12:06] <tjs> yeh
[12:06] <tjs> how do I make apt forget what its trying to install
[12:07] <howrealisreal> i dont see anything in any of the config files in /etc that calls up the floppy module
[12:10] <tjs> Im now in a state where whenever I try to run apt it fails trying to resolve gimp / gimp-python, I cant even get it to just remove gimp alltogether, im more interested in having a working gnome
[12:10] <mjt> howrealisreal: are you sure? say, /etc/modules?
[12:10] <hybrid> Riddell ; download2.ssc.com/tux/
[12:11] <mjt> tjs: you can always use dpkg for that sort of stuff.  In this case, dpkg -r gimp
[12:11] <Riddell> hybrid: Error 403 "Access forbidden!"
[12:11] <hybrid> Riddell ;try ssc.com/tux/
[12:11] <mjt> tjs: or, really, dpkg -r gimp-python
[12:12] <howrealisreal> thers' ide-disk in the /etc/modules
[12:12] <howrealisreal> is that it?
[12:12] <tjs> that gives me: dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of gimp: ubuntu-desktop depends on gimp; however: Package gimp is to be removed
[12:12] <Riddell> hybrid: "Page not found" :(
[12:13] <hybrid> Riddell ; it is on osnews.com and i-hacked.com
[12:13] <mjt> howrealisreal: nope ;)  Well i give up ;)
[12:13] <howrealisreal> ah well
[12:13] <howrealisreal> i guess it's not such a big deal
[12:13] <howrealisreal> it just slows down boot up a little
[12:14] <mjt> howrealisreal: it must be somewhere, and 99% chances it's in /etc.  If not, well...  maybe it's finding some plug-n-play stuff in your bios and tries to load that module in a hope there is a floppy drive...
[12:14] <hybrid> Riddell ; tuxmagazine.org/subscribe iis it
[12:15] <howrealisreal> here's the error i get: FATAL: Error inserting floppy (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-4-386/kernel/drivers/block/floppy.ko): No such device
[12:15] <mjt> howrealisreal: when it's loading, can you say? I mean, in initrd or after it?
[12:15] <howrealisreal> when it boots up under the hotplug section
[12:15] <mjt> aha!
[12:15] <hybrid> srry  for the confusion riddell
[12:17] <howrealisreal> does that help?
[12:17] <hybrid> |QuaD| u  see red  hat iss havin a convention  up there
[12:17] <mjt> howrealisreal: so my second quess was right when -- it's the hotplug startup scripts that handles all that stuff.  In a hurry, you can list "floppy" (in a line by itself, w/o quotes) in /etc/hotplug/blacklist, or maybe better create a file with single line "floppy" in /etc/hotplug.d/
[12:18] <howrealisreal> you suggest the second option?
[12:18] <mjt> howrealisreal: it may be interesting to find out why it is trying to load the module in the first place, but that's some more digging.. ;)
[12:18] <mjt> howrealisreal: yes
[12:18] <howrealisreal> hehe.. indeed
[12:18] <howrealisreal> alright let me try that and i'll see if it works
[12:18] <mjt> howrealisreal: /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/nofloppy is the most appropriate ;)
[12:19] <fsc> hmm...firefox on hoary just up and died on me
[12:19] <mjt> (the name of the file does not matter)
[12:19] <drasko> is eth0 interface always given to ethernet card... In my case I want to change it and give it to usb modem, and eth1 interface to be ehternet card
[12:19] <robtaylor> hmm, is anyone experincing a distict lack of hostap funtionality in hoary atm?
[12:19] <mjt> drasko: why do you care?
[12:20] <howrealisreal> okay. so i created /etc/hotplug.d/nofloppy that is just a single line that states "floppy"
[12:20] <howrealisreal> that's it?
[12:20] <mjt> drasko: it's better not to do that.  Your ethernet card is always here, while usb device may be plugged or not.  The interfaces gets next free number, so you will have eth0/eth1 depending whenever your usb device works or not
[12:21] <mjt> howrealisreal: yes -- w/o quotes ofcourse
[12:21] <howrealisreal> yeah without quotes
[12:21] <howrealisreal> awesome. thanks mjt
[12:21] <howrealisreal> i hope this works
[12:21] <mjt> howrealisreal: you can verify w/o rebooting
[12:21] <mjt> howrealisreal: /etc/init.d/hotplug start
[12:21] <howrealisreal> okay i'll give it a go
[12:21] <mjt> (and try the same w/o that file ;)
[12:22] <aeonphive> can anyone help me install alsa1.08? i've downloaded, untared, all the .bz2 files into /usr/src/alsa but when i try to ./configure, it says: "checking for which soundcards to compile driver for... configure: error: Unsupported soundcard ice1724"
[12:23] <aeonphive> i ran the command: sudo ./configure --with-cards=ice1724 --with-sequencer=yes
[12:23] <howrealisreal> i think it works
[12:23] <howrealisreal> thanks mjt
[12:24] <drasko> mjt, because on the booting it looks like other card (eth1) is not activated... This eth1 goes to internet (usb modem), and eth0 is used for lan connection
[12:25] <Thom_Holwerda> anyone speaks spanish here?
[12:25] <drasko> mjt, I want to use eth0 for internet sharing with windows xp machine, while eth1 is my usb modem for internet. So I want to set this linux box to be a gateway for windows. How do I do that?
[12:25] <Thom_Holwerda> need a translation real wuick :)
[12:25] <Thom_Holwerda> quick
[12:26] <mjt> drasko: whenever it's activated or not has nothing to do with the naming/numbering (well, not really but it's some different issue)
[12:26] <Thom_Holwerda> primero Me encanto para que el Joe cierre su poca boca del cutch = ?
[12:27] <Neil3> nite nite folks off to beddy byes
[12:27] <mjt> drasko: also, the purpose of each interface has nothing to do with the numbering either
[12:27] <rapha> Hmm
[12:27] <hybrid> hey  tritium
[12:27] <rapha> Which drive would you trust more: an IBM DeskStar or a Western Digital WD800 (same size)
[12:27] <Agrajag> WD
[12:28] <eliasson> WD
[12:28] <mjt> drasko: the point is to have all static interfaces (the ones which are always present) first, and the rest -- "dynamic" -- after.
[12:28] <Neil3> IBM deathstar
[12:28] <Agrajag> they call them "deathstars" for a reason
[12:28] <Agrajag> beaten
[12:28] <tritium> hybrid, hello
[12:28] <Pluk> i sold my deathstar to my mother in law :D
[12:28] <rapha> Okay thanks
[12:29] <rapha> Then I'll put the unimportant stuff there
[12:29] <maswan> IBM
[12:29] <rapha> So it is normal for the WD to become hotter than the IBM?
[12:29] <drasko> mjt, well, can you tell me why? But you re right - eth0 is static while eth1 happens to be dynamic (usb modem)...
[12:29] <drasko> mjt, thanks for answers, you are really helpfull
[12:30] <mjt> drasko: nope, not with usb modems - i never used one so don't know what they're after
[12:30] <maswan> I have a statistically significant sample of WD disks sucking on the level of the worst deathstar problems.
[12:30] <hybrid> is mono in the rrepos
[12:30] <mjt> hybrid: apt-cache search mono ?
[12:30] <drasko> mjt, no, I just was wondering why static has to go first...
[12:31] <hybrid> ok
[12:33] <marcin_ant> hi
[12:33] <mjt> drasko: imagine you're booting without your usb modem plugged in (easy - pulled the cable, etc).  Each interface picks up the next number available, so your former eth1 will become eth0 (as there's no eth0 corresponding to the modem) -- havoc will happen ;)
[12:33] <howrealisreal> hey back again
[12:33] <marcin_ant> how to remove package which has broken uninstallation script?
[12:34] <howrealisreal> mjt: no dice.. it still gets an error
[12:34] <mjt> marcin_ant: the scripts are in /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.* (* is postrm, preinst etc) - you can edit it
[12:35] <mjt> howrealisreal: remember my comment - "and try hotplug start without that file you created too" ? ;)
[12:36] <mjt> howrealisreal: it might not be hotplug, after all ;)
[12:37] <howrealisreal> with and without the file i still get an error about no floppy controller found
[12:37] <mjt> howrealisreal: when starting hotplug or when starting something else?
[12:37] <marcin_ant> mjt: great - thanks !
[12:37] <howrealisreal> when starting hotplug
[12:37] <tritium> mjt, drasko you should check out ifrename
[12:38] <mjt> tritium: no thanks ;-P
[12:38] <tritium> mjt, how come?
[12:38] <marcin_ant> any Eclipse user here?
[12:40] <mjt> tritium: well, there are many other ways to rename interfaces too.  But in this case i just don't see a reason for renaming (aka additional complications) -- just let ethercard be eth0 and usb modem be eth1, and be done with that ;)
[12:41] <drasko> mjt, not shure I understand this... If a interface with static ip given change from eth1 to eth0 (as this place becames free) it leads to mess? Why...? Aren't those settings just brought to the eth0, and that the same for every device.
[12:41] <drasko> tritium, what is that suppose to be?
[12:41] <tritium> drasko, you can consistently name network interfaces easily
[12:42] <Riddell> hybrid: I've signed up for a free subscription but I don't know where to get the actual magazine, and I havn't got an e-mail
[12:43] <mjt> drasko: because your scripts will "think" eth0 is your "outside" interface (which is in fact your LAN), and vise versa - and eg will give static IP to your usb modem when you will plug it in, and will try to use dhcp client (eg) for your LAN interface -- so nothing will work.
[12:43] <tritium> drasko, in my case, my docking station NIC and wireless cards both get assigned to eth1, depending on what I'm using.  ifrename eliminates that trouble
[12:44] <tritium> drasko, so I identify my network interface by MAC address in ifrename
[12:44] <howrealisreal> mjt: you have any other ideas of how to prevent hotplug from trying to install the floppy drie?
[12:44] <Rocha> Hello
[12:44] <howrealisreal> err drive?
[12:44] <Rocha> I installed today Ubuntu Hoary array-3
[12:44] <tritium> mjt, you already blacklisted it?
[12:45] <Rocha> It is much much much better than array-2
[12:45] <tritium> howrealisreal, you already blacklisted it?
[12:45] <tritium> mjt, ignore last msg
[12:45] <Rocha> But i noticed that the taskbar now shrinks each window, which really sucks.
[12:45] <mjt> howrealisreal: well, if it's really hotplug... it should honor your hotplug/blacklist stuff.  You can try to debug it (setting VERBOSE=yes in /etc/default/hotplug).  Or, you can disable it entirely the "hard way", by creating a file /etc/modprobe.d/hofloppy with a line "install floppy :" (again w/o quotes)
[12:45] <Rocha> I can't read the title bar in the taskbar
[12:45] <Rocha> How can I change this?
[12:46] <howrealisreal> well i tried the /etc/hotplug.d
[12:46] <siimo> anyone use marillat mplayer packages?
[12:46] <Rocha> x-chat for example appears as... "X..."
[12:46] <howrealisreal> but i didn't do anything with a file named blacklist
[12:46] <drasko> mjt, tritium thanks a lot for all the help!
[12:46] <midnight_sunray> hi everybody
[12:46] <howrealisreal> maybe i misunderstood you
[12:46] <tritium> drasko, good luck :)
[12:46] <siimo> why does mplayer require xmms? i prefer beep-media-player thats a GTK2 version of xmms instead
[12:46] <tritium> howrealisreal, it's /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:46] <Rocha> siimo, use Totem instead o mplayer
[12:47] <Rocha> (and instead of xmms)
[12:47] <mjt> howrealisreal: what did you do with hotplug.d ?  We were talking about hotplug/blacklist.d , not about hotplug.d ;)
[12:47] <Rocha> btw, use Rhythmbox instead of xmms
[12:47] <midnight_sunray> i have som problem with my realtek ac97 integrated soundcard.. i read some stuff on the forum but i haven't got where the problem actually is yet... can anybody help me ?
[12:47] <mjt> what IS your problem?
[12:47] <siimo> Rocha: can totem play real+quicktime+windowsmedia ?
[12:47] <Rocha> siimo, yup
[12:47] <Rocha> install "totem-xine"
[12:48] <siimo> Rocha: what about a firefox plugin for it
[12:48] <mjt> siimo: mplayer-nogui does not require xmms ;)
[12:48] <howrealisreal> okay that worked
[12:48] <Rocha> siimo, you'll get all that plus an integration with gnome.
[12:48] <Rocha> siimo, i don't know, never used that.
[12:48] <mjt> siimo: and, gui for mplayer does not really work anyway
[12:48] <midnight_sunray> mjt , my problem is that ubuntu just dont recognize my soundcard.. and i dont know how to make it work right..
[12:48] <siimo> mjt: ok thanks
[12:49] <howrealisreal> i solved the problem by added floppy to the hotplug blacklist file
[12:49] <siimo> so mplayerplug-in will work too
[12:49] <Rocha> mjt, are you using hoary?
[12:49] <howrealisreal> thanks guys
[12:49] <siimo> mjt: ?
[12:49] <kent> muine in Hoary still depends on libflac4. Cant it compile against the libflac that is in Hoary?
[12:49] <mjt> Rocha: i'm using alot of various stuff ;)
[12:50] <Rocha> mjt, is you taskbar always showing very little of the apps name?
[12:50] <siimo> or will i need mplayer gui for it
[12:50] <mjt> siimo: i dunno what's mplayerplug-in anyway
[12:50] <siimo> its a browser plugin to play embedded media
[12:50] <mjt> Rocha: i don't have a taskbar ;)
[12:51] <siimo> Rocha: thats a bug in hoary/gnome 2.9x
[12:51] <Rocha> siimo, ok, thanks
[12:51] <midnight_sunray> mjt , did you abandone me ? :)
[12:51] <Rocha> mjt, :)
[12:51] <mjt> siimo: well, i dunno really.  Just try it?
[12:51] <Rocha> mjt, how do you know what apps you have opened?
[12:51] <siimo> Rocha: it wont be fixed in ubuntu till its fixed in gnome so follow this link - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160977
[12:52] <mjt> midnight_sunray: sure i did! ;)
[12:53] <siimo> Rocha: for now, right click on window list > goto size tab and increase the minimum size
[12:53] <mjt> midnight_sunray: what's the output of `lspci -v' for your card? (find the proper entry - lspci will show you alot of stuff)
[12:54] <midnight_sunray> damn , i dont know right now.. i'm chatting under windows..
[12:55] <midnight_sunray> :)
[12:55] <midnight_sunray> well.. i will reboot , launch lspci and then come back..
[12:55] <Rocha> siimo, thanks for the help
[12:55] <mjt> realtec ac97 should be well-supported.
[12:55] <Rocha> Bye now, i have to get up early for classes.
[12:55] <midnight_sunray> but it wasnt recognized..
[12:55] <Rocha> Good night
[12:55] <midnight_sunray> damn..
[12:56] <midnight_sunray> mjt, i know i'm annoying , but can u please tell me the commands i have to launch, the thing i have to write down in order to get all the info u need to help me? :)
[12:58] <siimo> np
[12:58] <midnight_sunray> i think my last msg isn't so clear,is it? :)
[12:59] <malakyaz> hi, anyone know why, before i install ubuntu and install XFCE it ask to me for glib(gmodule)> 2.0.. I have installed 2.4 version, any idea about that or url??
[12:59] <mjt> midnight_sunray: realtec? is it really realtec?
[01:00] <midnight_sunray> yup.. realtek ac97
[01:01] <midnight_sunray> why are you dubious? am i particulary unlucky not to have that card recognized?
[01:01] <midnight_sunray> uhm.. tonight my english isnt good at all
[01:01] <midnight_sunray> sorry.. i'm just a poor italian guy.. :)
[01:02] <zhukov_> hi
[01:03] <drasko> Are the rc.x directories in /etc dedicated for each runlevel. So, now my default runlevel is 2 -> thoes that mean that other rc.x aren't even read? So when I want to make rc.iptables to put it in rc2.d?
[01:04] <mjt> lol. on realtec site, there's a "driver" for "realtec ac97"... which is a full copy of alsa kernel stuff as of 2004/12/22 ;)
[01:04] <midnight_sunray> can u give me the link mjt?
[01:04] <midnight_sunray> i'd be really glad..
[01:04] <malakyaz> hi, anyone know why, before i install ubuntu and install XFCE it ask to me for glib(gmodule)> 2.0.. I have installed 2.4 version, any idea about that or url??
[01:04] <mjt> midnight_sunray: it's useless for you
[01:05] <midnight_sunray> why?
[01:06] <midnight_sunray> as you probably already saw, i'm quite a newbie.. so be patient.. or just tell me to shut up and i'll do.. i dont want to be annoying..
[01:06] <mjt> midnight_sunray: because i doubt you will be able to recompile your kernel
[01:06] <mjt> midnight_sunray: and because the instructions on the site are too dense (i'd say non-existing)
[01:07] <midnight_sunray> oh.. i'm SURELY not able to recompile my kernel.. not for the next 2-3 months at least.. :)
[01:08] <roo9> has anyone seen an issue where the ubuntu install CD repeatedly freezes?
[01:09] <blah09> anyone else find the ubuntuforums are incredibly slow ?
[01:10] <tritium> blah09, what are you trying to get help for?
[01:10] <mjt> midnight_sunray: well, it looks like realtec added something to standard alsa, for their "azalia" series. but standard driver should work
[01:12] <blah09> im trying to figure out if polypaudio is worth installing
[01:12] <midnight_sunray> so.. mjt , what do i have to do in order to get my sc workin ?
[01:12] <blah09> i have crackly sound =/
[01:13] <hybrid_> *wonders  why  sound is always  weird in  linux
[01:13] <tritium> blah09, I'd advise against it right now
[01:13] <mjt> i'm off to bed...
[01:14] <blah09> still buggy?
[01:14] <tritium> blah09, yes
[01:14] <blah09> oh
[01:14] <tritium> blah09, it's surprising that ubuntu-desktop was made to depend on it already.  It appears to have not been tested.
[01:15] <blah09> so if i did a dist upgrade recently its installed already?
[01:15] <mjr> with some cards/drivers it seems that if you set the PCM volume too high, it'll overdrive the samples, resulting in distortion. Try to reduce the PCM volume somewhat
[01:15] <blah09> its at about 25%
[01:15] <blah09> =/
[01:15] <mjr> ok, well, that should be low enough :/
[01:15] <marioch> Hello I have a broadcom wireless card, I did try installing ndiswrapper with ubuntu (from ubuntu archives), everything went ok - installing windows driver, and loading ndiswrapper - but the card doesn't work, does anyone have a hint?
[01:15] <tritium> blah09, yes, but you reinstall esound.  It'll remove polypaudio and ubuntu-desktop, but that's not too critical
[01:17] <setite> i need help
[01:17] <setite> i cant get k3b to recognize my burner
[01:17] <blah09> isnt ubuntu-desktop tied to everthing else?
[01:17] <tritium> blah09, it's just a meta-package that depends on a lot of other packages.
[01:17] <blah09> oh
[01:17] <tritium> blah09, but removing it doesn't remove all those things
[01:18] <blah09> only the other way round then
[01:18] <hybrid_> where iss mono d/l tto after apt-get
[01:18] <blah09> ok gotta reboot, brb
[01:18] <setite> anyone know why k3b doesnt recognize my burner?
[01:18] <tritium> blah09, ok
[01:18] <Juice^> how do i get psybnc with apt-get? :] 
[01:19] <hybrid_> apt-cache searcch psybnc
[01:19] <hybrid_> serch
[01:19] <hybrid_> search
[01:19] <Juice^> thanks
[01:20] <hybrid_> oo too mucch coffe
[01:20] <Brett> Hello!
[01:20] <Juice^> hehe
[01:20] <hybrid_> hi
[01:20] <Brett> How is everyone?
[01:20] <JCarax> Hi guys, have you tried "Streamtuner"
[01:20] <hybrid_> GOOD  U??
[01:20] <JCarax> It rocks!
[01:20] <setite> anyone... please help
[01:21] <sulkd> hybrid_, what kind of coffee y'all got, heh
[01:21] <hybrid_> sulkd EXSPRESSO
[01:21] <Juice^> hybrid_: that didnt help much... it just didnt do anything
[01:21] <hybrid_> lol wo0t wo0t
[01:21] <sulkd> O_o
[01:22] <setite> anyone... is k3b supposed to figure out the drive automatically?
[01:22] <hybrid_> Juice^ did you sudo
[01:22] <blah09> ugh, speedstep still broken
[01:22] <LinuxJones> linux-restricted-modules in warty are uninstallable for the 386 and k7 kernels what's up with that ?
[01:22] <hybrid_> sulkd i  love strate up exspresso
[01:22] <Juice^> hybrid_: i dont know how to use the correct commands with sudo
[01:22] <sulkd> hybrid_, espresso :] 
[01:22] <setite> ok i think i figured it out
[01:22] <setite> i ran it with sudo
[01:23] <hybrid_> Juoce sudo apt-cache  search package
[01:23] <hybrid_> silkd =)
[01:23] <mjt> apt-cache does not need sudo
[01:23] <Juice^> oh :] 
[01:23] <hybrid_> it doesnt??
[01:23] <hybrid_> hmm
[01:23] <tritium> nope
[01:23] <zhukov_> hey anyone here with a bootsplash and hoary?
[01:23] <sulkd> hybrid: r u dyscixel ?
[01:23] <sulkd> :] 
[01:23] <rapha> zhukov_: Here
[01:24] <hybrid_> only when on coffee
[01:24] <hybrid_> (=
[01:24] <zhukov_> rapha, how did you?
[01:24] <randabis> zhukov_, no there isn't
[01:24] <randabis> and there won't be
[01:24] <randabis> oh, misread
[01:24] <sulkd> hybrid_, yeah.. "coffee".. why don't you show us where you're hiding the mirror? =)
[01:25] <randabis> usplash isn't going to make it to hoary is what I meant
[01:25] <Juice^> hybrid_: didnt work when i used sudo either.
[01:25] <Hwolf> randabis: I fear you are right
[01:25] <hybrid_> Juice ^ just  dsearch  ssynaptic forr the package if it iainnt  there u need  to edit the repos
[01:25] <zhukov_> rapha, ive installed the kernel patch, the theme and nothing...
[01:25] <randabis> HiddenWolf, yeah, sucks :/
[01:25] <hybrid_> sulkd i dont havee a rorrim *drops mirror*
[01:26] <HiddenWolf> randabis: I believe they'll make it downloadable / backport it.
[01:26] <randabis> hopefully
[01:26] <rapha> zhukov_: I had forgotten to enable initrd support in the kernel and do a /usr/sbin/splash -s -f /patch/to/theme.cfg >> /boot/initrd.img-splash
[01:26] <HiddenWolf> randabis: sladen said as much
[01:26] <randabis> I see
[01:27] <tritium> that's good to know
[01:27] <randabis> sucks though, that was one of the biggest things that was going to differentiate between hoary and warty
[01:28] <randabis> to me it was progress
[01:28] <sladen> HiddenWolf: *looks*
[01:28] <tritium> Mad Phat Splash did initially catch my attention about ubuntu
[01:28] <randabis> not to say the rest of hoary isn't
[01:28] <hybrid_> what is splash?/
[01:28] <HiddenWolf> sladen, you did, didn't you?
[01:28] <sladen> tritium: interesting.  Sorry, it's too mad and phat to fit just yet :)
[01:29] <randabis> hybrid_, graphical image at boot like windows xp
[01:29] <sladen> HiddenWolf: yes.  It's my fault usplash isn't in Hoary
[01:29] <HiddenWolf> sladen: need a tester?
[01:29] <tritium> sladen, no worries.  We'll be anxiously awaiting :)
[01:29] <hybrid_> randabis  why  would you want that i like the way it is
[01:29] <sladen> tritium: all the more reason to stick around for Hoary+1  eh?  ;_)
[01:29] <randabis> hybrid_, eyecandy
[01:30] <tritium> sladen, I'm pretty sure I'm sticking with ubuntu for the long haul
[01:30] <randabis> hybrid_, there would still be a verbose mode
[01:30] <HiddenWolf> tritium: amen
[01:30] <hybrid_> o ok
[01:30] <tritium> HiddenWolf, :)
[01:30] <randabis> you'd hit F2 like with bootsplash and fbsplash
[01:30] <zhukov_> rapha, it replyed Usage: /usr/sbin/splash -s [-u unit]  -n [cfgfile] 
[01:30] <HiddenWolf> sladen: I'd be highly appreciated if you wouldn't add to the urge to run hoary+1 from the first week. Ubuntu is already too addictive, and takes up too much time.
[01:30] <randabis> I like framebuffer splash a lot :) gentoo looks sexy with it
[01:30] <rapha> Well, what exactly did you type zhukov_?
[01:31] <sulkd> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash
[01:31] <sulkd> heh
[01:31] <sulkd> what dribble is that?
[01:31] <rapha> zhukov_: Btw, this is all documented and there's also man splash
[01:31] <zhukov_>  /usr/sbin/splash -s -f /etc/bootsplash/themes/aquamatrix/config/bootsplash-1024x768.cfg  /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-2-386
[01:31] <sime_> the default ubuntu installation, does it have a news reader... as I cannot find one in evolution
[01:31] <zhukov_> this is my second day in this...thats why im calling for help
[01:32] <tritium> HiddenWolf, I know what you mean by too addictive.  I spend too much time with it, when I should be doing other things.
[01:32] <hybrid_> *oucch*
[01:33] <HiddenWolf> tritium, the price you pay for running hoary on a production-rig
[01:33] <skuld> anyway.. as I was saying.. iirc from the days of console, 13<= was switchable by right-alt+F*
[01:34] <tritium> HiddenWolf, that, or just having fun
[01:34] <sladen> skuld: the kernel keeps a list of which consoles are switchable to---you can get to others by switching through X or using chvt
[01:34] <LinuxJones> sime_, install pan
[01:34] <skuld> sladen, kernel? no it's in /etc/securetty
[01:35] <jaco> yawn
[01:35] <jaco> hi all
[01:35] <skuld> sladen, just a policy
[01:35] <jaco> :)
[01:35] <randabis> hi
[01:35] <HiddenWolf> tritium: If i wanted fun on my pc, I'd run windows and play games ;-)
[01:35] <Pluk> hi
[01:35] <randabis> HiddenWolf, plenty of gaming action available in linux
[01:35] <hybrid_> linux is a drug
[01:35] <jaco> what's windows? :)
[01:35] <hybrid_> like umm..... caffine
[01:35] <HiddenWolf> randabis: not when you're running an old ati card.
[01:35] <tritium> I don't even play games
[01:35] <Octane> i just came to announce that i am now downloading Ubuntu and I will drop windows once and for all!
[01:36] <randabis> HiddenWolf, touche
[01:36] <HiddenWolf> jaco: it's that virii-ridden os that some people still use
[01:36] <jaco> new xfree has a full support to ati
[01:36] <skuld> sladen, give it a whirr.. login on some vt, sudo echo >/dev/tty13, then right-alt+F1
[01:36] <randabis> xfree is deprecated :p
[01:36] <jaco> x.org
[01:36] <jaco> :)
[01:36] <jaco> ok? :
[01:36] <jaco> )
[01:36] <randabis> :)
[01:37] <tritium> I'll put it this way:  spending all day working is more fun with ubuntu than Windows
[01:37] <HiddenWolf> Did any of you guys get pestered by that msn-messenger worm yet?
[01:37] <Pluk> full support without acpi support...
[01:37] <randabis> HiddenWolf, no sir
[01:37] <tritium> HiddenWolf, does it affect gaim?
[01:37] <HiddenWolf> tritium: If only because I can download a virus and dissect it. :-)
[01:37] <Pluk> darn fglrx :(
[01:37] <randabis> I like x.org 6.8.2
[01:37] <LinuxJones> Why are linux-restricted-modules (386 & k7 kernels) in warty not installable ?
[01:38] <tritium> HiddenWolf, ah, okay.
[01:38] <HiddenWolf> tritium, I happily put it on my desktop. It's a winblows worm being spread by a bit of code in msn messenger
[01:38] <sladen> skuld: or  echo -e '\e[12;13] '
[01:38] <randabis> lol
[01:38] <skuld> heh
[01:38] <sladen> Pluk: ACPI /should/ pretty much work in Hoary---otherwise it's a bug
[01:38] <jaco> HiddenWolf msn messenger is a virus :)
[01:38] <setite> anyone know a nice tutorial for quickly adding my linux box to my local network via SMB?
[01:39] <Pluk> sladen, i meant acpi in  fglrx
[01:39] <HiddenWolf> jaco: true
[01:39] <Pluk> the xorg ati driver works just fine
[01:39] <randabis> setite, ubuntuguide has some info
[01:39] <Pluk> even with dynamic clocks
[01:39] <skuld> file transfers in msn clients is so slow it's a wonder anyone would try
[01:39] <jaco> HiddenWolf u can try a standart im like gaim or jabber or ics
[01:39] <jaco> HiddenWolf u can try a standart im like gaim or jabber or icq
[01:40] <HiddenWolf> tritium: I was happily downloading it and googling to try and find out how to run a .pif file, getting pissed at ubuntu for not being able to run a filetype, when i figured it was a virus
[01:40] <Pluk> :P
[01:40] <HiddenWolf> jaco: I'm running gaim, but was enjoying a msnmessenger virus that's becoming big right now. :-)
[01:40] <setite> ok...
[01:40] <setite> im on the forum
[01:40] <setite> so i need actual samba... is there nothing on synaptic
[01:40] <tritium> HiddenWolf, I hadn't heard about it.
[01:41] <randabis> setite, samba, samba-common, smbfs
[01:41] <Anubis> HiddenWolf, Are you saying the virus infected gaim?
[01:41] <setite> all 3
[01:41] <jaco> what's a virus? :) i use linux... i don't know this matter :)
[01:42] <HiddenWolf> anubis, no, but my msn-using friends where offering me the download, and I happily downloaded it before I figured out that it was a virus, so I'm pretty happy with ubuntu right now
[01:42] <HiddenWolf> jaco: it's something that's pretty amusing
[01:42] <Anubis> sweet
[01:42] <setite> i have libsmbclient already... im addine smbfs
[01:43] <HiddenWolf> anubis, ofcourse I could be spreading it by now, but considering that ubuntu didn't know how to handle the file, I think i'm quite safe.
[01:44] <setite> i have samba-common
[01:44] <setite> ok i got it all now... thanks randabis.. your the man
[01:44] <krism> hmm.. im upgrading to xorg from hoary now..
[01:44] <Lithi> whereis smb.conf usualy located when you installed via apt-get?
[01:44] <kapputu> hey guys is hoary out?
[01:45] <krism> is 'apt-get install xserver-xorg' the propery way to do it?
[01:45] <skuld> feh... I setup a feckin vfat formatted drive just for quick portage between ubuntu and windows.. and it can't store a damn dvd iso... maximum filesize is 4095mb
[01:47] <MacPlusG3> skuld: yes, vfat is the suck. try using a program called 'split'. you can then just cat the parts together.
[01:48] <Seabook> Hi
[01:48] <skuld> MacPlusG3, ah good idea :] 
[01:48] <Seabook> I need help configuring GRUB.
[01:48] <rellik> the 'ls' manpage isn't clear on something...  my file ('a'): abcd : (hex, 5 bytes) 61 62 63 64 0a ... when I use 'ls -s --block-size=1 a' it says 4096...  what are the units on this? opening the file in a hexer shows only the 5 expected chars (incl. EOF), but 4096/5 is not an integer :(
[01:48] <MacPlusG3> skuld: wastes some disk space... but is better than nothing.
[01:49] <MacPlusG3> skuld: also useful if you need to transfer big files around
[01:49] <skuld> MacPlusG3, should only waste an inode, shouldn't it?
[01:49] <Seabook> So that it boots to Windows by default. (shoot me, but mom can't handle Linux yet) :/
[01:49] <hybrid_> mine eithr
[01:49] <MacPlusG3> skuld: well, if you start with a 4GB file and split it up into 1GB chunks, you'll end up with 4G+1+1+1+1=8G of usage
[01:49] <HiddenWolf> seabook: edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst to default to windows
[01:49] <MacPlusG3> skuld: but you could always split it *onto* the vfat.. so you're not wasting much then
[01:50] <HiddenWolf> default 0 > default x where x is the windows-entry
[01:50] <skuld> MacPlusG3, :] 
[01:50] <kapputu> where do I get new themes for ubuntu?
[01:51] <setite> randabis... what is ubuntuguide
[01:51] <setite> the www.ubuntuguide.com or org
[01:51] <Seabook> aaah
[01:51] <Seabook> thx HiddenWolf
[01:52] <HiddenWolf> seabook: mind, grub counts from 0, not from one
[01:52] <Seabook> :)
[01:53] <kapputu> hello
[01:54] <kapputu> how do I get new themes for gnome
[01:54] <kapputu> or ubuntu
[01:54] <skuld> kapputu, http://www.gnomelook.org/
[01:54] <Seabook> I almost forgot my root password. :/
[01:56] <giard> wow, I don't think I've ever seen so yellow and orange flowers on a page before
[01:56] <gangalino> I need some help getting a USB dvd+rw to show up in Warty
[01:58] <Seabook> Does GRUB count the divider? The lines that say "title Other operating systems:\n root"
[01:59] <hybrid_> caan u appt-get thee newest kernal
[02:00] <Seabook> GRUB does count the divider line. :P I just did a tias.
[02:00] <Octane> can someone give me a oneliner to encourage me to install ubuntu and dump windows
[02:01] <dredg> Octane: no. it's a preference thing. use what works for you
[02:01] <Seabook> Octane: chicks dig Ubuntu geeks
[02:01] <Octane> lol
[02:01] <somethin1> o_O
[02:01] <Octane> i have 3 boxes, freebsd, fc3, and winxp
[02:01] <hybrid_> SeaBook  lol
[02:01] <macewan> anyone messed with engage on warty?
[02:01] <Octane> and am considering dumping my main box, the winxp, and putting ubuntu on it
[02:01] <Octane> well, not considering, gonna, but im still weary
[02:01] <hybrid_> Octane : xp o_O no chix ffor u
[02:02] <gangalino> I have my dmesg output in #flood
[02:02] <gangalino> it shows up w/ udf support, and modules seem to be loaded, but I can't find the device
[02:02] <hybrid_> it is awesome
[02:02] <spinifex> is there any way to hibernate, like in windows?
[02:02] <setite> this tuturial shows you how to share the home folder... but how do i share root
[02:02] <setite> i need to be able to share the windows partition of this PC too....
[02:02] <setite> so i need /mnt
[02:02] <hybrid_> Octane : it  is   a great community distro
[02:02] <somethin1> anyone feel like telling me how Ubuntu mounts /sys at boot without an fstab entry?
[02:02] <Octane> thats a great reason
[02:02] <setite> magick
[02:03] <dredg> somethin1: the kernel does it automatically
[02:03] <spinifex> *poke poke*  how do I hibernate?
[02:03] <somethin1> dredg:  but if I install this kernel on another system it doens't
[02:03] <dredg> is there a /sys directory created?
[02:03] <darmou> I have a raid with one disk (raid0) ubuntu refuses to create a partition on it, anyway I can drop into a command line and force it to create a partition?
[02:03] <somethin1> yes, but HAL no longer works unless I mount sysfs myself
[02:05] <somethin1> and even with gnome-volume-manager (the ubuntu package), my cd mounting doesn't work automatically
[02:06] <somethin1> hmm
[02:06] <gangalino> I need some help getting a USB dvd+rw to show up in Warty
[02:07] <aquarius> I have various packages installed which depend on having an MTA installed. If I want to install my own MTA (in /usr/local) how can I uninstall the Ubuntu-provided one without also removing everything that depends on it?
[02:08] <bob2> a) it's really best to stick with postfix or another packaged mta
[02:08] <dredg> somethin1: i lie. it's in an init script
[02:08] <bob2> b) if you insist, use "equivs" to make a fake mail-transport-agent package
[02:09] <aquarius> bob2, I know, but I'd like to play with Hula, the new Novell thing, and it won't be able to run as my SMTP server if something else is already using port 25. I don't want to run it on odd ports because then I'm not giving it a proper test.
[02:09] <somethin1> dredg:  do you know what it's named?
[02:10] <dredg> somethin1: /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs
[02:10] <spinifex> =\ is there any support for suspend?
[02:10] <bob2> you mean suspend-to-ram?
[02:10] <bob2> depends how buggy your hardware is
[02:10] <spinifex> I mean hibernate
[02:11] <bob2> suspend-to-disk should work with swsusp just fine
[02:11] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting
[02:11] <spinifex> just installed it and it said my kernel needed support for it
[02:11] <bob2> it = what?
[02:11] <spinifex> hibernate.  *reads link*
[02:11] <bob2> you don't "install" hibernate.
[02:12] <spinifex> I got the package named hibernate
[02:12] <bob2> you don'tneed that
[02:12] <bob2> and it won't be useful
[02:13] <Octane> whats the default wm on install?
[02:13] <spinifex> gnome
[02:13] <setite> can someone help me share my entire PC
[02:13] <spinifex> are you gonna share it with us?
[02:13] <bob2> Octane: metacity
[02:13] <gangalino> what's the name of that moon phases app?
[02:13] <setite> nothing you would want... basic windows and linux with some mp3s
[02:13] <Octane> im amazed that the distro iso is only 574mb
[02:13] <HiddenWolf> setite: I'd rethink about doing that, really
[02:14] <WW> Hello, world.
[02:14] <spinifex> =\ do I have to do this whole process to set up hibernating?  damn, don't have time no
[02:14] <spinifex> w
[02:14] <setite> hiddenwolf i need to back up this entire PCs contents to another PC
[02:14] <bob2> it'd be best to stop refering to it as hibernating
[02:14] <bob2> when you mean suspend-to-disk
[02:15] <bob2> and following those steps doesn't take very long
[02:15] <spinifex> fine.  to suspend-to-disk
[02:15] <WW> This has probably been asked a hundred times recently, but... what's the story with linux-restricted-modules and the recent kernel upgrade?
[02:15] <setite> i need to expose this whole PC to the local network via SMB
[02:15] <jdub> bob2: hibernate is the right word for it
[02:15] <setite> but i dont know how
[02:15] <bob2> and if you have a 2.6.10 hoary kernel, you don't een need to do that
[02:15] <bob2> jdub: hrm, ok
[02:15] <bob2> spinifex: ok, ignore me
[02:15] <spinifex> yes but you see my potential to screw it up means they could take hours
[02:15] <setite> well not so much everything... becuase i have home shared
[02:15] <setite> i need to share the mnts
[02:15] <jdub> bob2: suspend-to-disk is a silly technical word :)
[02:15] <|QuaD|> is there a way to get networking to work with qemu? the wiki way isn't working
[02:15] <HiddenWolf> setite: can't help you there. I'd think it's faster to just walk copy the harddisk and place the harddisk in the other pc.
[02:15] <bob2> jdub: hah
[02:16] <AlphaZero> whats a good bittorrent client to use?
[02:16] <bob2> jdub: sleep and suspend seem to mean both mean str or std depending on who you talk to
[02:16] <somethin1> alphazero: bittorrent
[02:16] <setite> nah this thing is an emachine... last time i disassembled part of an emachine... it didnt go back together
[02:16] <jdub> bob2: seriously. hibernate (suspend to disk) and sleep (to ram) are great words
[02:16] <setite> to much inaccessible screws
[02:16] <setite> thanks anyway
[02:16] <jdub> AlphaZero: if you're using hoary, gnome-bt is included. it's simple and easy.
[02:16] <setite> does anyone know how to share my windows mount
[02:17] <setite> or is there a way to remount the windows mount somewhere within my home drive
[02:17] <bob2> jdub: I shall remember that
[02:17] <setite> or link it so that it would be transferable via SMB
[02:17] <somethin1> ...put it in /etc/fstab
[02:17] <AlphaZero> i'm using warty
[02:17] <setite> soemthin1 you talking to me?
[02:17] <maggi> is there anyone that can tell me why I can not find the sda1 in /media on my k6 computer, but can on the centrino laptop?
[02:17] <maggi> by the way it's an USB pen
[02:17] <somethin1> unless you mean you want to share it with another comp.. I haven't really been paying attention
[02:18] <setite> usb pen.. they have those now
[02:18] <setite> yea with another comp
[02:18] <setite> i have a windows box... that is my bigger box...
[02:18] <maggi> usb storage device then
[02:18] <setite> and i want to back up the linux files and the windows files
[02:18] <setite> i can do them both seperately if i must... but i wanted to try to get both shared via the smb with linux
[02:19] <AlphaZero> i downloaded bittornado and bittornado-gui and cant find it to launch it
[02:19] <setite> i need to wipe this PC and install both OS's fresh...
[02:19] <setite> problem with putting this drive into the other PC is that the other box only has windows
[02:19] <setite> it screwed up installing ubuntu for some damn reason
[02:19] <AlphaZero> where are apps stored on ubuntu?
[02:20] <AlphaZero> <--noob
[02:20] <IneedaNickname> hi folks
[02:20] <gangalino> I need some help getting a USB dvd+rw to show up in Warty
[02:20] <spinifex> um, about the guide-- my kernel is built for i686-- should I really be getting a i386 kernel module?
[02:20] <gangalino> what's the name of that moon phases app?
[02:20] <IneedaNickname> how do I retrieve my password?
[02:21] <setite> ahhh screw it... not worth the effort./... thanks guys
[02:21] <WW> Anyone? ^^^   Is there another update in the works for linux-restricted-modules?
[02:21] <spinifex> bob2
[02:22] <spinifex> it seems this updates grub.  Will I have to actually boot an i368 kernel to be able to use suspend-to-disk?
[02:22] <bob2> er
[02:22] <bob2> you're not on i386?
[02:22] <spinifex> nope
[02:23] <spinifex> wait
[02:23] <bob2> do you want me to guess?
[02:23] <bob2> or can you just say
[02:24] <spinifex> lol, misread my motd when it installed.  i386
[02:26] <bascule> evening
[02:27] <|QuaD|> evening
[02:27] <bascule> thnks just checking the lag, been pretty bad for me the last few times I connected
[02:30] <WW> Any advice on getting the recent kernel update to work? I use linux-restricted-modules for the nvidia graphics driver, but something is wrong with its dependencies.
[02:31] <LinuxJones> WW, it doesn't work in warty for some odd reason, a real jab for a stable realease :(
[02:31] <bascule> mine worked I'm sure ...
[02:32] <WW> LinuxJones: Right, I had to reboot with the previous version (-4).
[02:32] <LinuxJones> WW, it's a real pain
[02:33] <WW> There has been some discussion of the problem in the forum, but I haven't seen anything that looks like an official ubuntu announcement.
[02:33] <LinuxJones> WW, funny cause the kernel upgraded just fine, wonder what is wrong with it ?
[02:34] <isma> i cant get my sound card to work on ubuntu (i get a no mixer elements/devices found message)
[02:34] <isma> any help would be appreciated
[02:34] <|Maragato|> isma wich card do you have?
[02:34] <isma> i know its a maestro3
[02:34] <isma> an ESS
[02:34] <isma> allegro something
[02:35] <isma> i used the maestro3 driver on another distro
[02:35] <El_XiNo> nickserv identify dindadinda
[02:35] <isma> lol
[02:35] <skuld> haha
[02:35] <isma> i'd change ur pass if i were u
[02:35] <|Maragato|> rofl
[02:35] <bascule> I am still booting the original kernel, left my own bootloader
[02:36] <bascule> guess tjat is why
[02:36] <|Maragato|> lets get his nick :p
[02:36] <isma> LOL!
[02:36] <isma> someone took over his nick
[02:36] <skuld> heheh
[02:36] <fracan> lol
[02:37] <|Maragato|> rofl
[02:37] <|Maragato|> men irc is a dangerous place
[02:37] <bascule> that is sooo humiliating
[02:37] <isma> That, is why u should id to nickserv in the Status window
[02:37] <LinuxJones> You can get a ban for doing that and alot worse
[02:38] <isma> lol
[02:38] <bascule> <-- done a root password, nobody seemed to guess ...
[02:38] <skuld> you can setup xchat to authenticate automatically
[02:38] <isma> im definitely posting it on www.bash.org
[02:38] <gangalino> I need some help getting a USB dvd+rw to show up in Warty
[02:38] <|Maragato|> isma I did first!
[02:38] <isma> damn u
[02:38] <isma> lol
[02:38] <|Maragato|> that is another quote for bash.og
[02:39] <skuld> can you put a timestamp on it? see how fast it was?
[02:39] <skuld> hehe
[02:40] <skuld> dinda..
[02:41] <El_XiNo> lool
[02:41] <skuld> :] 
[02:41] <bascule> it was within the same minuite
[02:41] <|Maragato|> you see ppl, if I hadnt said lets hget his nic, maybe I had time before he realises to get his nick
[02:41] <skuld> I miss El_XiNo..
[02:41] <|Maragato|> damm Im taling engRish
[02:41] <isma> yea me too
[02:42] <|Maragato|> talking
[02:42] <skuld> tarking
[02:42] <gangalino> I need some help getting a USB dvd+rw to show up in Warty
[02:42] <skuld> he's probably changing all his accounts' passwords
[02:43] <ShadeofGrey> hello everybody
[02:43] <ShadeofGrey> for the record i am a total *nix newbie
[02:43] <ShadeofGrey> and im here because i couldnt stand the people congregating in the #debian channel
[02:43] <ShadeofGrey> i know nothing about linux
[02:44] <ShadeofGrey> im just THAT sick of winblows
[02:44] <LinuxJones> ShadeofGrey, half the people here are in the same boat :P
[02:44] <skuld> gangalino, you've asked like 50 times already :]  try mailing ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com.
[02:44] <gangalino> trying to get some response!
[02:44] <ShadeofGrey> okay look - ill be honest
[02:44] <|Maragato|> ShadeofGrey backup the stuff you care burn ubuntu cd part your driver and go for it
[02:44] <usual> I have been going to #debian for years, and the other day an abusive op took my voice
[02:44] <usual> I wont be going back
[02:44] <bascule> lsusb, there you can see it ... :)
[02:44] <ShadeofGrey> i REALLY know nothing about ubuntu
[02:44] <gangalino> not there
[02:45] <gangalino> gimmee a break
[02:45] <ShadeofGrey> but i downloaded the livecd and ran it
[02:45] <ShadeofGrey> and everything worked
[02:45] <ShadeofGrey> so
[02:45] <bascule> oh, try rear USB instead of front if appropriate
[02:45] <gangalino> not there, only 1 usb port
[02:45] <gangalino> another USB device works
[02:46] <ShadeofGrey> im downloading the main install CD as we speak (theres only one? -- p.s. AMD64 version) and am going to dedicate the spare 200gig disk i have in my box
[02:46] <LinuxJones> ShadeofGrey, it would be very convenient for you to start the install from the livecd and ask questions here on irc but you can't
[02:46] <gangalino> should I post to flood again?
[02:46] <sulkd> bascule, sounds sexual.. o_o?
[02:46] <LinuxJones> ShadeofGrey, unless you have more than 1 computer
[02:46] <bascule> gangalino: and I jut *know* that is a VIA chipset ...
[02:46] <ShadeofGrey> please tell me the ubuntu installer can make its own partitions and such as long as i tell it which drive
[02:46] <ShadeofGrey> wait
[02:47] <ShadeofGrey> are you telling me i cant dual boot it?
[02:47] <bascule> sulkd: de[ends where your haead is at I guess (keeping it going ...)
[02:47] <gangalino> bascule: my USB port or the dvd+rw is VIA?
[02:47] <scoon> ShadeofGrey, you have an extra drive ?
[02:47] <gangalino> I think neither are really
[02:48] <ShadeofGrey> scoon: i have a 400 gig thats a win32 partition. i have another 200gig thats not being used
[02:48] <bascule> laaaaaag
[02:48] <ShadeofGrey> scoon: cant i just blow away the 200gig partition and install ubuntu on that?
[02:48] <LinuxJones> ShadeofGrey, you have 600 gig of storage wtf ??
[02:48] <bascule> gangalino: teh chipset on the motherboard
[02:49] <marcin_ant> hi ppl could you tell me how much ram should I have to make my system not to use swap at all?
[02:49] <ShadeofGrey> LinuxJones: hey man.. i got great deals on ecost.com during christmas. i had the opportunity and fucking took it
[02:49] <LinuxJones> ShadeofGrey, my first computer had 800 meg hard drive
[02:49] <ShadeofGrey> my first PC had a 40 meg
[02:49] <bascule> marcin_ant: depends how long it is on, 4GB of ram will swap out after 12 hours
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> ShadeofGrey: language please
[02:49] <ShadeofGrey> HrdwrBoB: ...oops.. sorry
[02:49] <LinuxJones> marcin_ant, swap is not a bad thing
[02:50] <ShadeofGrey> and i have a gig of 3200 dual channel ram
[02:50] <ShadeofGrey> ...the best christmas present was the samsung 19" syncmaster
[02:50] <|Maragato|> ShadeofGrey dont you want to spare a bit of your pc for non so rich ppl?
[02:50] <Pluk> :D
[02:50] <marcin_ant> LinuxJones: I just don't want to listen to my hdd
[02:51] <gangalino> bascule: no, it's NEC/Ratoc subsystem
[02:51] <ShadeofGrey> |Maragato|: i AM one of those not so rich people
[02:51] <LinuxJones> marcin_ant, umm what do you do during a big download
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> |Maragato|: it's not that high end
[02:51] <bascule> gangalino: well I never heard of that chipset on a motherboard ...
[02:51] <ShadeofGrey> hrdr: you have faster ram than 3200?
[02:51] <Pluk> ddr2/667
[02:51] <gangalino> it's not on the mb, it's a card. I'm going to post lspci -v on #flood
[02:52] <ShadeofGrey> hrdr: mated to a AMD64 3500?
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> ShadeofGrey: not really, but 3200 is standard ram
[02:52] <bascule> gangalino: on a cd drive, yes, but not a motherboard, It's OK you don't seem to know what I mean, or I am missing knowledge
[02:52] <Pluk> thats pretty standard now ShadeofGrey
[02:52] <ShadeofGrey> ddr2 is expensive ... couldnt afford it
[02:52] <marcin_ant> LinuxJones: sure - but anyway how much ram is enough?
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> not to mention that the memory controler on an amd64 is onboard
[02:52] <LinuxJones> ShadeofGrey, I only need about 10 thousand dollars to get me a hot dual G5 Mac
[02:52] <ShadeofGrey> okay well.. whatever all i know is that its dual channel running at 400 megahertz
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> so you only get 333mhz speeds in any case
[02:52] <LinuxJones> ShadeofGrey, how much do you have ?
[02:53] <ShadeofGrey> a gig
[02:53] <bascule> gangalino: paste it in http://rafb.net/paste
[02:53] <ShadeofGrey> 2 512's
[02:53] <LinuxJones> marcin_ant, nice
[02:53] <marcin_ant> bascule: 4GB?? on desktop?
[02:53] <LinuxJones> ShadeofGrey, err that was 4 U :P
[02:53] <ShadeofGrey> heres a question foryou
[02:53] <bascule> marcin_ant: it was to illustrate that a linux box will swap out over time regardless of RAM
[02:54] <marcin_ant> bascule: I see.... but I don't like this at all
[02:54] <Octane> I plan on installing Ubuntu on my main box instead of winxp. now, my current hdd is pretty much full... are there any workarounds to install ubuntu to a small partition and later on worry about all the ntfs shit?
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> Octane: you really want a minimum of abotu 2gb
[02:55] <bascule> always
[02:55] <Pluk> Octane, what do you consider to be small?
[02:55] <marcin_ant> bascule: but when you got 4GB than you propably should create ramdisk as swap
[02:55] <Octane> Pluk: like 4 gigs
[02:55] <hybrid^away> Octane try damn small linux
[02:55] <Pluk> Octane, thats enough
[02:55] <bascule> marcin_ant: why does swap bother you?
[02:55] <Octane> hybrid^away: im not looking for an intermediary, just looking to install ubuntu and later on start reformatting my ntfs partitions
[02:55] <gangalino> bascule: OK
[02:56] <Octane> okay great, thanms HrdwrBoB and Pluk
[02:56] <gangalino> bascule: that's a nice page
[02:56] <Pluk> np
[02:56] <_hybrid> Octaane there is a live cd
[02:56] <marcin_ant> bascule: because I think that when you have enough ram (I still don't know how much) your system shouldn't swap at all
[02:56] <bascule> yes, there are lots of them, just a fave cause it picks up highlighting from a text editor and gives line numbers
[02:56] <Juice^> I bought myself a domain name, could i use it with irssi as a vhost? or does it depend on my isp?
[02:56] <marcin_ant> bascule: btw I prefer ramdisk as swap mainly because hdd swap is slow
[02:57] <bascule> marcin_ant: so swapoff /dev/hd?
[02:57] <MrCranky> anybody know how to open a chm e-book in Ubuntu?
[02:57] <Pluk> Juice^, your isp takes care of the reverse dns
[02:57] <bascule> marcin_ant: and remove it from fstab
[02:57] <Pluk> and thats that annoying long hostname 244-218.isp.com
[02:57] <Juice^> Pluk: ok.. is it hard to setup a vhost, any guide around?
[02:58] <marioch> MrCranky, look for gnochm, I'm not sure if it's included in ubuntu
[02:58] <bascule> gangalino: and the URL for this paste is .... :)
[02:58] <marcin_ant> bascule: sure - but I don't want to turn off swap if my system _really_ needs it
[02:58] <MrCranky> marioch, thanks
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> marcin_ant: you realise that is entirely redundant
[02:58] <Pluk> never done it Juice^
[02:58] <Pluk> so dont know :)
[02:58] <jesuel> Juice^, for you to use a hostname for a vhost, you would first have to have a static ip, then you would ask your isp to assign the reverse dns to that static ip address
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> marcin_ant: swap on a ramdisk is not of any use
[02:59] <Pluk> would be a great isp if they did that
[02:59] <jesuel> Juice^, alot of isp's will charge for the static ip, and they are sometimes very hard to get to assign reverse dns
[03:00] <Pluk> jesuel's story is way more informative :)
[03:00] <jesuel> ive done it, its a pita
[03:01] <Pluk> hmm maybe my isp would do it, i also managed to get a subnet :)
[03:01] <bascule> marcin_ant: saying a system should only swap when the RAM is full/nearly full is something you would need to argue with Linus Torvalds an company
[03:01] <marcin_ant> bascule: hmm propably yes
[03:01] <Juice^> jesuel: ok... thanks for the info
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> marcin_ant: ram/swap operates that way because it's the most effecient
[03:02] <marcin_ant> bascule: but I really don't understant why my system uses swap
[03:03] <isma> .
[03:03] <marcin_ant> bascule: when it has free physical memory
[03:03] <gangalino> bascule: sorry, now I get it. It's http://rafb.net/paste/results/pI4aWm26.html, I was too busy lurking around other parts of your site, trying to find where you got this paste page from. Also an aside about Fry's returns- I go off in there, they tried to make me stand in line to return their crap, I told them I don't work there, I don't get paid for dragging their defective crap around their mega-warehouses, I make them return it and just
[03:03] <gangalino> give me the money. If you stand up for your consumer rights (and make enough of a scene), they'll do it.
[03:03] <delltony> anyone ran across this issue before? for some reason k3b after installing it says o have 0 space available on blank dvds any thing i could check cause i don't believe the drive is bad or i hope not anyway cause it was working fine with winblows
[03:03] <bascule> marcin_ant: try #kernel, they could give well founded reasons on the subject, I just accept it is the best way to do things
[03:03] <isma> i just installed ubuntu 4.10 today and it did not autodetect my sound card (ESS Allegro) i've been googling all day for a possible solutions but i cant find any... HelP?
[03:03] <Juice^> how do i detach, and attach irssi when im using ssh?
[03:04] <Pluk> Juice^, use screen
[03:04] <bascule> gangalino: that isn't my site ...
[03:04] <marcin_ant> bascule: for example now i got 94% in use of which 50% is cache
[03:04] <Juice^> Pluk: screen?
[03:04] <Pluk> man screen
[03:04] <Juice^> ahhh
[03:04] <Juice^> thanks :)
[03:04] <Pluk> yw
[03:04] <marcin_ant> bascule: and... 3MB swap.... I just wonder what for?
[03:04] <gangalino> bascule: now I see...
[03:05] <delltony> oh maybe thats what it is dvd shrink made it 4.8 and available reports as 4.4 interesting
[03:05] <HrdwrBoB> marcin_ant: caching files/etc is more useful than keeping unused memory swapped in
[03:05] <fsc> gnome and kde are resource hogs, even more so than xp
[03:05] <delltony> i thought dvdshrink did dvd9 to dvd5
[03:05] <HrdwrBoB> macewan: so unused memory are swapped out
[03:05] <fsc> but at least you can run fluxbox if you want
[03:06] <macewan> HrdwrBoB: huh?
[03:06] <bascule> gangalino: I never resall seeing an NEC USB controller, wel I learn every day, is it a Dell?
[03:06] <HrdwrBoB> macewan: sorry, I meant marcin_ant
[03:06] <macewan> k
[03:06] <fsc> can esd conflict with say playing mp3 with totem?
[03:06] <ShadeofGrey> hey linuxjones and everybody... does ubuntu support Nvidia cards? i mean things looked okay to meon the liveCD but i had a horrid time trying to get things going under fedora freebsd and gentoo
[03:06] <marcin_ant> HrdwrBoB: I don't get it
[03:06] <ShadeofGrey> thats why i dropped them all
[03:07] <fsc> ShadeofGrey, I think there's a .deb for nvidia drivers
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> marcin_ant: basically, the kernel knows more about memory management than you do
[03:07] <ShadeofGrey> whats a .deb?
[03:07] <marcin_ant> HrdwrBoB: I can understand that when I have free ram than it is taken for cache
[03:07] <marcin_ant> HrdwrBoB: but I dont understant why system uses hdd when it still has free ram?
[03:08] <fsc> marcin_ant, why are you asking on #ubuntu? read some kernel books and goto #linux-kernel
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> marcin_ant: because, as I said, caching files/etc is more useful than keeping unused memory swapped in
[03:09] <marcin_ant> fsc: because my first question was "how much ram I need to make my swap clean"
[03:09] <fsc> plus, as HrdwrBoB said, if you swap out least recently used processes then that can free up memory for other programs that are in use...but i'm no kernel expert
[03:09] <marcin_ant> fsc: and because I ask in "ubuntu desktop" context
[03:09] <bascule> marcin_ant: It also permits processes to have nonfragmented address spaces, regardless of how physical memory is organized or fragmented.
[03:09] <LinuxJones> ShadeofGrey, nvidia in Warty is broken as we speak :(
[03:10] <gangalino> bascule: it's like this- Dell Latitude CSx laptop with a broken USB port, so I put in a RATOC Cardbus USB adapter, that connects to the Microsolutions Backpack USB dvd+rw. The NEC part is probably the dvd's internal host controller
[03:10] <bascule> marcin_ant: if you know what a seg-fault is or how mwmory is paged that last line will make things clearer for you
[03:10] <gangalino> I know the card works because other USB devices work under it, like USB-storage
[03:10] <fsc> if some in use program spikes up its memory usage, then it might be better to have some dormant processes in swap and have that free memory available for the in-use program
[03:10] <marcin_ant> bascule: ok thx
[03:11] <bascule> gangalino: yes, I have seen USB devices not recogninised by some hubs before, usually VIA
[03:11] <fsc> but there are books and mailinglists and all sorts of stuff to talk about linux kernel VM manageers
[03:11] <marcin_ant> bascule: then could you tell me how much ram (physical) should I have as minimum for ubuntu-desktop?
[03:11] <NetwrkMonkey> anyone know of a linux library site?
[03:11] <fsc> marcin_ant, a gig
[03:11] <khaled> hi.. is not there way to use windows driver for wireless network with linux ? ndswrapper ?
[03:11] <NetwrkMonkey> of all the linux related books out there?
[03:11] <marcin_ant> fsc: _minimum_
[03:12] <bascule> gnome, I would go 256, but it will *always* swap over time ...
[03:12] <bascule> marcin_ant: ^
[03:12] <fsc> marcin_ant, 512
[03:12] <khaled> NetwrkMonkey: library for what ? GUI / networking ?
[03:12] <bascule> minimum 256 comfortabe 512
[03:12] <NetwrkMonkey> eveything
[03:12] <NetwrkMonkey> ;-)
[03:12] <marcin_ant> bascule: sure - I ask about _minumum_ so I know that it will swap
[03:12] <fsc> much more comfortable a gig over 512
[03:12] <bascule> well 128 will work
[03:12] <fsc> 512 is barely comfortable
[03:12] <bascule> 256 is nice 512 is easy
[03:13] <marcin_ant> bascule: mhmmm
[03:13] <fsc> i'm at 632.7 MB of user memory right now
[03:13] <fsc> in use according to system monitor
[03:13] <bascule> second line of free -m
[03:14] <marcin_ant> bascule: then I should upgrade... I have old celeron 633 and want to install ubuntu - unfortunately 128MB
[03:14] <bascule> -/+ buffers/cache:        153         96
[03:14] <WW> NetwrkMonkey: Go to amazon.com, search for "linux" in books.  1,387 hits.
[03:14] <fsc> marcin_ant, just get 512
[03:14] <NetwrkMonkey> bah
[03:14] <NetwrkMonkey> i mean like a card catalogue
[03:14] <marcin_ant> fsc: it's not for me - 256 should be enough
[03:14] <bascule> marcin_ant: yeah 128 is tight and in an older amchine the drives are slower so you will feel it even more, gt another 128
[03:15] <fsc> marcin_ant, 256 is barely enough
[03:15] <fsc> marcin_ant, after browsing with firefox for a while, they'll be swapping hard
[03:15] <marcin_ant> fsc: I got 768 on my system and it works really nice
[03:15] <NetwrkMonkey> iirc linu.org has a good book selection
[03:15] <jesuel> i got 768 on my desktop, 256 on my linux console only machine
[03:15] <jesuel> it works pretty beautiful
[03:15] <jesuel> i wouldnt use a desktop machine with less than 512 these days though
[03:16] <bascule> fsc: please apste the second line of free -m for me, I am *really* interested in you RAM usage ...
[03:16] <fsc> bascule, ok
[03:16] <fsc> -/+ buffers/cache:        626        258
[03:16] <bascule> what on earth are yo running?
[03:17] <khaled> i got 1 GB
[03:17] <fsc> xchat, firebird, evince, SPE, vim, gaim, synaptic, gnome-terminal
[03:17] <khaled> so smooooooooooooth
[03:17] <fsc> you really want a gig these days
[03:17] <bascule> I have rhythm box opera(8 tabs)  xmms 4 eterms giftd and giFTcurses
[03:17] <fsc> firefox
[03:17] <marcin_ant> fsc: what is SPE and evince?
[03:17] <bascule> and gkrellm2
[03:18] <bascule> and a nautilus window
[03:18] <Pluk> SysInfo: Mem: 595/755M [||||||||||] 
[03:18] <MrCranky> 512 MB works for me
[03:18] <fsc> evince is a pdf viewer,  SPE is a python wxPython IDE which is greeding tons of memory i bet
[03:18] <Pluk> free mem
[03:18] <Pluk> but maybe thats the difference between gnome and xfce
[03:18] <fsc> i really need another gig
[03:18] <DeanG> Synaptics suggestions for me to grab pictures from my canon digital camera?
[03:19] <fsc> firefox has a 100 meg (not bad), X is at a 100 meg
[03:19] <marcin_ant> fsc: I think that this SPE is broken or something
[03:19] <fsc> haha. clock-applet using freaking 20 meg!
[03:19] <marcin_ant> fsc: even Eclipse doesn't use that much ram
[03:19] <gangalino> what's the name of that moon phases app?
[03:20] <farruinn> pom
[03:20] <farruinn> it's in bsd-games or something like that
[03:20] <farruinn> *I think
[03:20] <fsc> trash-applet - 29 meg, wnck-applet 23.7 meg
[03:21] <Pluk> adds up really fast :)
[03:21] <marcin_ant> fsc: -/+ buffers/cache:     243720     402420
[03:21] <fsc> marcin_ant, SPE is using only 63.3 meg. now that's not bad at all for a pretty feature-filled python IDE
[03:21] <fsc> these applets are massive memory hogs
[03:21] <marcin_ant> fsc: with amule, xchat, gnome-system-monitor, firefox and eclipse
[03:22] <marcin_ant> fsc: some applets, and firestarter and apache2
[03:22] <fsc> gnome-panel - 70.4 meg
[03:22] <jesuel> wow
[03:22] <MrCranky> how do I make programs find libs in /usr/local/lib?
[03:22] <jesuel> fsc, your system is hogging ram
[03:22] <fsc> jesuel, yeah linux is greeding memory
[03:22] <stuNNed> will synaptic be completely removed from hoary stable for slimness?
[03:22] <jesuel> your linux is lol
[03:22] <mebaran151> yes
[03:22] <marcin_ant> fsc: there is something wrong with your system - maybe wrong/broken kernel?
[03:22] <mebaran151> I got my ftp server working
[03:22] <mebaran151> sweet deal
[03:22] <mebaran151> but I have a weird problem
[03:23] <Pluk> congrats mebaran151  :)
[03:23] <mebaran151> the nivida modules
[03:23] <mebaran151> for some reason
[03:23] <mebaran151> keep complaining about version magic
[03:23] <marcin_ant> fsc: my gnome-panel 29MB
[03:23] <mebaran151> I am able to load them with -f
[03:23] <fsc> marcin_ant, just stock warty kernel. there is nothing wrong with my system. gnome and company is greedy
[03:23] <x-naga> hey is ubuntu good for newbies?
[03:23] <fsc> x-naga, yeah
[03:23] <mebaran151> but is there anyway to pass the -f automagically
[03:24] <x-naga> and only 1 cd right
[03:24] <fsc> synaptic is 57 meg
[03:24] <fsc> gnome-cups-icon - 32.1 meg? WTF
[03:24] <x-naga> any screenshots of ubuntu
[03:24] <marcin_ant> fsc: are you sure that you got kernel optimized for your cpu?
[03:24] <bascule> linux memory management is a mystery, cause I can run all that in 150MB of ram
[03:25] <tkiesel> Less than a wek ago, I'd never run Linux. I'm typing this now from Warty and thanks to the forums I've done a considerable amount of tweaking. :)  So pretty good for Linux newbies.  Computer Newbies? I'm not so sure.  I'd always had fun poking through Windows XP's gut to mess with stuff, so I'm a tinkerer by nature.
[03:25] <fsc> bascule, yeah. those numbers a bit weird and really don't matter until you run out of real memory
[03:25] <jesuel> fsc, just curious, how long has your system been up?
[03:25] <rapha> How do you get the **!*%$"$" suspend function in GDM working?
[03:25] <fsc> jesuel, 3 days or so maybe. not long
[03:25] <jesuel> very strange
[03:25] <marcin_ant> fsc: my system is up for about 10 days
[03:25] <bascule> fsc: yeah, there is no way of understanding it, yoy relly would need to ask Torvalds and company to explin it :)
[03:25] <fsc> bascule, but these applets are memory hogs. no doubt about that - and gnome in general. i've got a gig, not that i really care, but others might
[03:26] <farruinn> bascule: but the kernel isn't what's hogging the ram...
[03:26] <x-naga> any screenshots of ubuntu
[03:26] <bascule> fsc: how were you seeing the memory count for each app?
[03:26] <jesuel> fsc, what kinda processor you using?
[03:26] <farruinn> x-naga: check gnome-look.org
[03:26] <fsc> bascule, system monitor
[03:26] <x-naga> k
[03:26] <fsc> jesper, 3.2 p4
[03:26] <bascule> farruinn: no but it *manages* the RAM
[03:26] <farruinn> bascule: ah, good point
[03:26] <jesuel> well with all that runnin, im sure your system load is low
[03:27] <jesuel> the system load on my main linux box sits around 1.75 to 2 or so average
[03:27] <marcin_ant> bascule: I got lower numers in gnome-system-monitor
[03:28] <bascule> yeah I was looking at mine and they are lower too
[03:28] <fsc> now i am running hoary not warty
[03:28] <isma> why?
[03:28] <tkiesel> It's been fun lurking and absorbing information. Take care, folks!
[03:28] <fsc> i could trim some stuff out of the kernel modules, but that's not the problem. it's Gnome/X
[03:28] <isma> isnt' warty the last realese?
[03:28] <Pluk> fsc, you could try xfce4.2
[03:29] <bascule> mind you nautilus 95.1MB ....
[03:29] <jesuel> nautilus is a memory hog
[03:29] <bascule> xmms 53.3
[03:29] <bascule> surely wrong ^
[03:30] <hybrid_> hey randabis
[03:30] <|QuaD|> any c++ guru's here?
[03:31] <marcin_ant> bascule: in my gnome-system-monitor
[03:31] <|Maragato|> |QuaD| go for #c++
[03:31] <hybrid_> |QuaD| guru wannab count?/
[03:31] <bascule> who knows the vodoo on memory management and can explin it?
[03:31] <marcin_ant> bascule: I got nautilus: memory 34MB, resident memory 16,5MB, shared memory 10,7
[03:31] <|QuaD|> |Maragato|: i need too much help for them ;)
[03:31] <marcin_ant> bascule: so... 95MB????
[03:32] <|Maragato|> |QuaD| ask away so, I also recommend www.cprogramming.com
[03:32] <jesuel>  79m S 26.0  8.1  32:27.50 XFree86
[03:32] <jesuel> now thats nasty
[03:32] <|QuaD|> |Maragato|: can i pm you?
[03:32] <jesuel> 26% cpu 79m ram
[03:32] <jesuel> just for xfree
[03:33] <hybrid_> wooooooo
[03:33] <|Maragato|> |QuaD| sure
[03:33] <DeanG> what app do you use to connect to your USB digicam?
[03:34] <marcin_ant> jesuel: switch to xorg
[03:34] <socomm> polyaudio
[03:34] <hybrid_> isnt xorg and xfree desktop enviromentts??
[03:34] <socomm> hybrid_: No.
[03:34] <hybrid_> what are they
[03:35] <randabis> hybrid_: no, they are different flavors of the xserver
[03:35] <khaled> hybrid_: no.. they are graphics server
[03:35] <bascule> lag
[03:35] <hybrid_> oo ii cc
[03:35] <Pluk> im wondering: my cpu is clocked down from 1.7ghz to 600mhz , if my cpumeter shows 5% does that mean 5% of 600mhz or 5% of 1.7ghz
[03:35] <tweek> is there a guide to apache on ubuntuguides.org?
[03:35] <socomm> They are window systems.
[03:35] <socomm> "X Window System"
[03:36] <randabis> I hope XGL takes off
[03:36] <socomm> Xorg is just a fork of XF86.
[03:36] <randabis> yep, because the xfree team changed the license and it conflicts with the GPL
[03:36] <bascule> Pluk: 600MHz
[03:36] <socomm> XGL, we are ready for take off.
[03:36] <Pluk> ty bascule
[03:37] <farruinn> this is going to sound odd, but could someone download the oroborus source (www.oroborus.org) and tell me how to build it?
[03:37] <farruinn> I see no ./configure, just configure.in and I have no clue :/
[03:37] <tweek> ./configure > make >make install
[03:37] <tweek> ./autogen.sh?
[03:37] <socomm> farruinn: sh autogen.sh.
[03:38] <fsc> yeah, give me XGL
[03:38] <farruinn> no autogen.sh....
[03:38] <socomm> What the heck is oroborus by the way.
[03:38] <fsc> gtk+/cairo/glitz/XGL -
[03:38] <farruinn> socomm: light window manager
[03:38] <socomm> farruinn: aclocal && automake && autoconf
[03:38] <randabis> any INSTALL readmes
[03:38] <socomm> automake -a -v -c --foreign
[03:38] <tweek> socomm know how to setup apache http serv?
[03:39] <farruinn> randabis: yeah, it's friggen weird, in INSTALL is just says run ./configure but there is none
[03:39] <randabis> hah
[03:39] <randabis> brb
[03:39] <socomm> tweek: edit the files under /etc/apache2
[03:39] <tweek> :)
[03:39] <tweek> genius
[03:40] <khaled> hey..how come i was never prompted to enter root password while installing ?
[03:40] <sls> ok i just can not get pxe to work...
[03:40] <|QuaD|> randabis: you a c++ programmer?
[03:40] <sls> what am i ding wrong?
[03:40] <socomm> tweek: also read apaches manual "man apache2"
[03:40] <farruinn> khaled: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:40] <sls> is there a good resource for pxe?
[03:40] <khaled> |QuaD|: what about c++? i know a little bit of c++ and pretty good with C
[03:41] <Pluk> farruinn, To first generate neccessary files out of the CVS Version of Oroborus, run `make -f Makefile.cvs'.
[03:41] <icerogue> Hi all, question what is the best video card to use for ease of instalation that can handle doom 3?
[03:41] <|QuaD|> khaled: can i pm you :) i am trying to find a bug
[03:41] <khaled> farruinn: thanks
[03:41] <socomm> khaled: Ubuntu is a rootless distro. Read farruinn's link.
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> icerogue: 6600GT
[03:41] <khaled> |QuaD|: sure.. lets try
[03:41] <icerogue> HrdwrBoB: is that nvidia or ati?
[03:41] <farruinn> I think the root/sudo question should be #1 in the faq
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> icerogue: nvidia
[03:42] <farruinn> Pluk: did you read that somewhere?
[03:42] <Pluk> farruinn, 1st line in the INSTALL file
[03:42] <hybrid_> farrruinn yea it shoulp
[03:42] <darmou> Does anyone know if you can install ubuntu on a hp prolient server?
[03:42] <Pluk> although it says for cvs
[03:42] <Pluk> you also must do it for the normal source prolly
[03:42] <farruinn> yeah, I'll try
[03:43] <darmou> And if so how, it does not seem to recognise the array?
[03:43] <darmou> I'm not sure if you can configure the server not to try to use the disk as an array.
[03:43] <Pluk> farruinn, and you prolly need libguile-dev
[03:45] <icerogue> HrdwrBoB: what about a card that is more wallet friendly?
[03:45] <Pluk> farruinn, oroborus is also in the repo's
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> icerogue: if you want to play doom3
[03:45] <socomm> orobus doesn't look all too promising.
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> icerogue: you would need at least a 600
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> 6600
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> really
[03:45] <farruinn> Pluk: I know.  I'm crazy
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> the 6600 is cheaper than the GT and should still be fine
[03:46] <farruinn> Pluk: besides, I'm in OS X atm
[03:46] <Pluk> hehe lol
[03:46] <stuNNed> 6600 is probly as cheap as you're going to get for good doom3 performance
[03:46] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[03:46] <stuNNed> unfortunately have a p4 here and it is the suck w/doom3
[03:48] <linuxn00b> Hi, I was wondering if anyone here using GAIM, because I always get disconnected from AIM all the time :(
[03:48] <icerogue> what site tends to have the best prices for computer hardware?
[03:49] <linuxn00b> icerogue, newegg is good :)
[03:49] <stuNNed> newegg, icerogue
[03:50] <icerogue> ok with the 6600 what all would i need to do to get it running effectivly in ubuntu?
[03:54] <bascule> marcin_ant: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/spt2/chapter/ch04.html#79188 <-- some sort of answer
[03:56] <farruinn> Pluk: thanks for being more astute than I - this works beautifully
[03:56] <ramb0> i have decided, after much thought, to change from gentoo to another binary-based distro, as my 1ghz laptop just can't do all the compiling of gentoo... which os would you recommend(preferabbly one with Xorg)
[03:56] <Pluk> farruinn, your welcome
[03:56] <LinuxJones> ramb0, gee I wonder
[03:56] <stuNNed> ramb0: definitely not ubuntu ;)
[03:57] <ramb0> lol
[03:57] <allio> configure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed. <- i'm getting that with libxext6 and libxext-dev installed to the latest version, what's the problem? :/
[03:58] <ramb0> how does ubuntu stack up on custom and high performace kernels: ie, is it easy to compile a custom kernel, and apply special patches( like nitro sources )
[03:58] <ramb0> and does it have bleeding-edge packages?
[03:58] <stuNNed> nitro sources? lol, sorry, it's a funny.
[03:58] <ramb0> lol
[03:58] <ramb0> http://nitro-sources.org
[03:58] <stuNNed> no thnx :)
[03:58] <Pluk> configuring a kernel can be a pain
[03:58] <Pluk> but as long as you know what hardware yur running and some common sense you can do it
[03:59] <ramb0> ok
[03:59] <Pluk> just takes a long time to check all options :)
[03:59] <ramb0> ok
[03:59] <ramb0> can someone here compare and contrast debian to ubuntu?
[03:59] <jdub> ramb0: see the website
[03:59] <ramb0> ok
[03:59] <Pluk> for me ubuntu=debian with newer packages
[04:00] <ramb0> that's good
[04:00] <thully> Ubuntu actually releases more often than once every Olympics..
[04:00] <hybrid-> Plluk pretty  much  and more updates
[04:00] <stuNNed> jdub: will synaptic be phased out of hoary? (i should hope so :)
[04:00] <Pluk> always ran debian unstable do had the same amount of updates as with hoary now
[04:00] <Pluk> do=so *
[04:01] <thully> why would it be phased out (synaptic)?
[04:01] <tha_gamemaster> hey hybrid- how's it  going?
[04:01] <stuNNed> thully: replaced by ubuntu update manager?  oh doh sorry, that's just for updates :)   ....well imho synaptic is nice fat hog.
[04:02] <thully> Ubuntu also focuses on having latest Gnome, and has xorg and newer kernels than debian (at least in hoary)
[04:02] <tony> Hello, how do I enable 1600x1200 resolution?
[04:02] <jdub> stuNNed: no
[04:02] <bascule> gah
[04:02] <stuNNed> warty is still good if you can get over the fact of not having xorg and having heavily patched xfree which is nice as well imho
[04:03] <thully> Also - it can be slightly easier to install Ubuntu than Debian (and my wi-fi works on Ubuntu)
[04:03] <Pluk> only reason to switch to ubuntu was xorg
[04:03] <tony> I used to have his resolution in WInXP...
[04:03] <khaled> sudo passwd root --> should enable root account according to the manual.. but it prompts for password ?
[04:03] <templario> alguien habla espaol que me ayude
[04:03] <tha_gamemaster> khaled, just do sudo su and then type passwd
[04:03] <icerogue> Ok which brand tends to be easier to set up in linux, ATI or nVidia?
[04:03] <tweek|afkish> ati :)
[04:04] <tweek|afkish> they jsut have crappier drivers
[04:04] <tha_gamemaster> icerogue, x86 ?
[04:04] <jdub> icerogue: nvidia
[04:04] <templario> i from chile
[04:04] <darmou> I think from what I read it is an integrated raid device
[04:04] <jdub> icerogue: it is very simple in ubuntu
[04:04] <khaled> tha_gamemaster: i am still prompted for a password. wht should i enter there ?
[04:04] <thully> Ubuntu has a plan to release every 6 months - Debian releases when "it's ready" (which often turns out to be every 2-3 years - Debian's current stable has 2.2 kernel by default, while Ubuntu has 2.6)
[04:04] <robertj> Should a Mobility 7500 have any issues with suspend?
[04:04] <templario> nadie habla espaol aca
[04:04] <tweek|afkish> anyone have an easy to read guide to apache http server, the on in the man file is a bit over my head =\
[04:05] <tha_gamemaster> khaled, you typed sudo su and hit enter?
[04:05] <LinuxJones> jdub, warty linux-restriced-modules for 386/k7 is still broken ?
[04:05] <stuNNed> tweek|afkish: apache's site has excellent documentation
[04:05] <icerogue> tha_gamemaster: yeah for now i am using a athlon xp
[04:05] <tweek|afkish> thanks stuNNed
[04:05] <thully> robertj:  I use that just fine with suspend using Xorg's built in drivers (I don't think ATI drivers work on this card)
[04:05] <khaled> tha_gamemaster: yes .. just "sudo su"
[04:05] <khaled> tha_gamemaster: and i am prompted to enter password
[04:05] <tha_gamemaster> khaled, odd, let me check
[04:05] <robertj> thully: I'm using the default drivers but it doesn't make it into X after resume
[04:05] <icerogue> jdub: why does ubuntu have nvidia built in or what?
[04:05] <farruinn> khaled: the sudo command prompts for a password, your user password
[04:06] <khaled> tha_gamemaster: yes..i am trying to follow the manual ..but not working
[04:06] <thully> warty or hoary?
[04:06] <robertj> hoary
[04:06] <Scaramouche> Can someone explain a strange discrepancy:  System monitor tells me "Used memory 188 MB" (out of 743 total)
[04:06] <khaled> farruinn: oh..let me try that
[04:06] <Scaramouche> But on the command line I'm getting a very different figure
[04:06] <jdub> icerogue: it's shipped in separate, but easy to install packages.
[04:06] <Scaramouche> used: 590 megs!
[04:06] <Scaramouche> I don't get this, which is right?  My swap is not being accessed at all, ever
[04:06] <HrdwrBoB> Scaramouche: free -m
[04:06] <robertj> it's a G3 iBook
[04:06] <HrdwrBoB> will tell you
[04:06] <bascule> there is a questiom, how can the nvidia drivers be ledally re-packaged into a .deb?
[04:06] <Scaramouche> damn!  loose patch cable from laptop, I'm typing into X-chat, nobody sees it!
[04:06] <bascule> legally*
[04:06] <khaled> farruinn: nice. that worked. is not that weird though ?
[04:06] <HrdwrBoB> Scaramouche: the difference is likely buffers/cache
[04:06] <tha_gamemaster> khaled, just type in your normal user passwd after sudo su
[04:06] <thully> oh - you have a mac - I have an i386 - I've heard suspend doesn't work well on Macs...
[04:06] <farruinn> khaled: no, that's how sudo works.
[04:07] <khaled> tha_gamemaster: yeh.. thanks.. got it
[04:07] <hybrid-> robertj  what  arre  you  doing with  an ibook?
[04:07] <thully> correction - I use i386 version, I actually have a Pentium M Thinkpad
[04:07] <tha_gamemaster> suspend doesn't work hadly at all
[04:07] <jdub> khaled: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[04:07] <khaled> farruinn: ah. ok
[04:07] <tha_gamemaster> hybrid-, good boddy, I need your help my my g4 tower again, last night didn't work
[04:07] <hybrid-> lol ok
[04:07] <thully> robertj: did you try suspend-to-disk?  or just suspend to ram?
[04:07] <hybrid-> meet me in the onofficial ppc
[04:08] <robertj> thully: I tried closing the lid
[04:08] <LinuxJones> jdub, why are Warty linux-restriced-modules for 386/k7 broken ?
[04:08] <hybrid-> ubuntu-ppc
[04:08] <jdub> LinuxJones: as far as i'm aware, they're not
[04:08] <robertj> let me check the log
[04:09] <templario> help me
[04:09] <templario> i need help in spanish o irc ubuntu in spanish
[04:09] <LinuxJones> jdub, they been busted for about 7 hours, the new kernel installs but the restricted mods are uninstallable
[04:10] <farruinn> templario: try #ubuntu-es, there are a few people there
[04:10] <cryer> I'm having issues installing ATI drivers on Warty.  I install the deb (alien'd from rpm) but then I do: rmmod fglrx - I get the error:  ERROR: Module fglrx does not exist in /proc/modules
[04:10] <thully> I don't know if suspend-to-disk works on PPC, though...  All I know is this card suspends fine on x86 (actually, it takes excessive battery in acpi suspend-to-ram, suspend-to-disk works though
[04:10] <bascule> templario: /j #ubuntu-es
[04:10] <robertj> thully: what s level is that?
[04:11] <thully> ACPI level is S4
[04:11] <thully> for suspend-to-disk
[04:11] <randabis> does anyone know how to prevent system sounds from being recorded when you record from a microphone?
[04:12] <MobyTurbo> randabis, turn off system sounds?
[04:12] <LinuxJones> randabis, turn down the volume or unplug the mic :)
[04:13] <robertj> what script is it that gets exceuted on close of lid?
[04:13] <bascule> all i can think is mute them in lasa-mixr (or whatever) but there must be another way ...
[04:13] <randabis> that's a workaround...I need an actual solution...in windows you can select what source is recorded...I have not found a way to do this in linux
[04:13] <randabis> I need the sounds to still play (multitracking full duplex)
[04:14] <randabis> but I need them to not be recorded :/
[04:14] <stuNNed> jdub: which gnome based cd player do you recommend for ubuntu?  gnomebaker?
[04:14] <robertj> well, err, brb hopefully
[04:15] <robertj> ahh, whee
[04:15] <robertj> dist-upgrade fixed it, even without a reboot
[04:15] <robertj> that was nice
[04:15] <robertj> I really in no way expected that to work
[04:16] <robertj> so, umm, whee
[04:17] <randabis> I love audacity, but this is a real hinderance to recording
[04:17] <salti> Hi all! I keep getting the error that the "hald" service is required but not running...how do I enable "hald"? Thanks!
[04:17] <robertj> wowzers
[04:17] <jesuel> mmmm ben and jerry's chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream
[04:17] <jesuel> nummy
[04:17] <Pluk> rub it in!
[04:17] <salti> yummy
[04:17] <robertj> I now have a Linux laptop where everything but the modem works
[04:18] <robertj> Internal wifi + suspend, whee
[04:18] <robertj> I could care less about the modem thoughj
[04:18] <jdub> stuNNed: player? the normal cd player.
[04:18] <khaled> robertj: wifi works? which brand ?
[04:18] <robertj> it's an airport card
[04:19] <robertj> lsmod shows thats orinico
[04:19] <khaled> robertj: i got an inexq card.. can not find a driver for it.
[04:19] <stuNNed> jdub: sorry meant burner app
[04:19] <jdub> stuNNed: nautilus
[04:21] <salti> :(
[04:28] <plagerism> Anyone know how to setup cups in gnome, or any special steps I need to do??
[04:28] <mpq> I forgot how to enable an installed wireless driver
[04:29] <randabis> hmm
[04:29] <randabis> I think I may have found a way
[04:29] <randabis> amixer can do it I think
[04:30] <farruinn> http:cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-4 ;)
[04:30] <plagerism> I didnt mean gnome, I meant Ubuntu, by default the cups web interface is deactivated, and I dont know how to activate it
[04:30] <calamari> hi
[04:30] <farruinn> plagerism: that doesn't sound right...
[04:30] <calamari> anyone know how to make gnome-keyboard-layout settings permanent?
[04:31] <plagerism> farruin:  the cups web interface doesnt seem to be responding
[04:32] <plagerism> What port is the cups web interface on? 631 right??
[04:32] <Pluk> plagerism, adduser cupsys shadow
[04:32] <trans_err> so they changed how columns work in OOorg 1.1.3-- any idea how to force OOorg to wrap each page into 2 columns and not the whole doc?
[04:32] <hybrid-> how do i get ightly builds?/
[04:32] <Pluk> that way you can login on the cups website
[04:33] <hybrid-> how do i get nightly builds?/
[04:33] <plagerism> Pluk, its not that I can login, its not responding
[04:33] <Pluk> you get the login screen back?
[04:33] <Pluk> or you dont get any website at all?
[04:33] <plagerism> Pluk, no, no login screen at all
[04:34] <mpq> I forgot how to use modprobe
[04:34] <Pluk> you sure cupsys is installed?
[04:34] <Pluk> and running?
[04:34] <plagerism> cupsys    6408     1  0 20:22 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd -F
[04:35] <farruinn> could a firewall interfere with that?
[04:36] <tha_gamemaster> mpq what about modprobe ?
[04:36] <plagerism> yes a firewall could interfere with that, however I have no firewall rules up
[04:36] <mpq> I forgot how to enable an installed wireless driver
[04:37] <plagerism> you know what it was, I have never seen this before, but my loopback device wasnt setup properly
[04:37] <tha_gamemaster> modprobe -l | grep -i nameofwirelessdriver
[04:37] <Pluk> it is listening on 127.0.0.1
[04:37] <tha_gamemaster> if it's pcmcia grep that
[04:37] <tha_gamemaster> or you can grep for net, for all net adapters
[04:37] <tha_gamemaster> and then just modprobe drivername
[04:37] <plagerism> Pluk, I fixed it
[04:37] <Pluk> yup
[04:37] <Pluk> good
[04:37] <tha_gamemaster> as root/sudo
[04:38] <plagerism> Now its just a matter of straightening out my networking issues
[04:38] <TongMaster> Anyone here up on the current status of latest Powerbook hardware support in Warty/Hoary?
[04:39] <TongMaster> IIRC there's no 3D support or Airport support. Is that the extent of the problems?
[04:39] <plagerism> I should just define my network interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces right??
[04:39] <hybrid-> how do i get nightly builds???????
[04:39] <plagerism> and then those should be brought up wint /etc/init.d/networking right??
[04:39] <mpq> I don't think it worked
[04:39] <bascule> hybrid-: of what?
[04:39] <hybrid-> hoary
[04:39] <tha_gamemaster> mpq no news is good news, if it didn't say anything it did
[04:39] <bascule> no idea
[04:39] <hybrid-> ok
[04:39] <Pluk> plagerism, indeed
[04:39] <mpq> but the wireless card is still off
[04:40] <farruinn> hybrid-: cdimage.ubuntu.com maybe?
[04:40] <hybrid-> ok
[04:40] <mpq> how do I mount a windows partition?
[04:40] <salti> ALL the processes in my system monitor say that they are "sleeping". How do I activate them, at least the ones I'm using or need to use? Thanks
[04:40] <tha_gamemaster> mpq is it set up in fstab?
[04:40] <mpq> I don't know
[04:41] <DeepSpaceAnt> hey guys, theres something wrong wit this: im using hoary - completly upgraded as of today  --- i can login to my ftp acc on a hosting server im working for through the command line and through gftp but i cant do it through nautlius which is my preferred method, it just shows me no files after i enter usename/password - how can i check output?
[04:41] <mpq> I don't think so
[04:41] <tha_gamemaster> mpq wel if windows is on hda1 then its just mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows, something like that
[04:41] <lavigj> hey guys, any suggestions on where to find libsdl1.2debian that is a higher package number than 1.2.7? ffmpeg needs it...
[04:42] <mpq> it says I don't have permission
[04:42] <tha_gamemaster> mpq as far as your wireless is concerend, did you install the wireless-tools? can you do iwconfig
[04:42] <templario> ubuntu-es please
[04:42] <tha_gamemaster> mpq type the same thing but put sudo in front
[04:42] <farruinn> templario: /j #ubuntu-es
[04:42] <ubuntu2u> hey guys
[04:42] <Pluk> hi
[04:42] <ubuntu2u> what is the command for downloading wine?
[04:42] <ubuntu2u> in terminal
[04:43] <Pluk> apt-get install wine
[04:43] <bosewicht> anyone have a working httpd.conf using users dir?
[04:43] <ubuntu2u> ty
[04:43] <calamari> is there a way to run a command after gnome has loaded but before the login screen?
[04:43] <bosewicht> i have yet to get mine working
[04:43] <calamari> I should say automatically run a command
[04:43] <mpq> it says I don't have permission to access windows
[04:43] <farruinn> calamari: taht doesn't make sense, gnome doesn't load until after you login...
[04:43] <farruinn> calamari: unless you mean gdm by gnome
[04:43] <DeepSpaceAnt> hey guys, theres something wrong wit this: im using hoary - completly upgraded as of today  --- i can login to my ftp acc on a hosting server im working for through the command line and through gftp but i cant do it through nautlius which is my preferred method, it just shows me no files after i enter usename/password - how can i check output? is there anything i have to do to setup ftp to get it workin
[04:44] <tha_gamemaster> mpq someone can help you, its a very easy thing to do, bbl, food
[04:44] <tux_> man, what an essay
[04:44] <DeepSpaceAnt> lol
[04:44] <calamari> farruinn: oic.. well I want to run "xmodmap /home/calamari/.gkb_default.xmm" so that my custom keyboard settings take place
[04:44] <mpq> The folder contents could not be displayed. You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "windows".
[04:45] <ubuntu2u> how do i use telnet in ubuntu. do i just go to terminal and write sudo telnet?
[04:45] <jdub> no
[04:45] <jdub> just run telnet
[04:45] <jdub> why would you want to run telnet as root?
[04:46] <calamari> farruinn: I figure there is a default file somewhere that I could just change and be done with it.. but nobody knows much about keyboards in linux :)
[04:46] <ubuntu2u> i dunno
[04:46] <jdub> don't run things with sudo unless there's a *really* *really* good reason to
[04:46] <farruinn> calamari: I think that's more of a general X configuration thing
[04:46] <calamari> farruinn: oic
[04:46] <farruinn> calamari: probably belongs in some xinitrc or something or other, but I have no clue :/
[04:47] <farruinn> (wow, that was really unhelpful... sorry)
[04:47] <lavigj> anyone have ffmpeg working under ubuntu?
[04:47] <calamari> farruinn: no prob.. is there a good x channel on freenode?
[04:47] <GammaRay> calamari: after gnome is loaded but before the login screen? huh?
[04:47] <DeepSpaceAnt> lavigj, im using mplayer, it works right - gstreamer / xine dont
[04:48] <calamari> GammaRay: you're lagged ;)
[04:49] <GammaRay> calamari: rather.. I didn't read carefully enough
[04:49] <buckminst> ok.. this is rather strange.. i'm trying to install ubuntu from the latest hoary CD image... and about 53% of the way through installing base ubuntu my laptop will shut itself off for no apparent reason.
[04:49] <lavigj> DeepSpaceAnt: that's fine, what about ffmpeg? I am looking for the encoding abilities... not the playback
[04:49] <GammaRay> calamari: try /etc/X11/Xsession maybe
[04:49] <calamari> GammaRay: ok :)
[04:49] <DeepSpaceAnt> lavigj, ah, no clue
[04:50] <DeepSpaceAnt> anyone know how to get debug from nautilus? i cant use ftp within nautilus
[04:50] <lavigj> DeepSpaceAnt: do you know where I can get a newer version of libsdl1.2debian?
[04:50] <GammaRay> calamari: that's global. IS there any reason you can't have gnome-session load it?
[04:50] <DeepSpaceAnt> lavigj, no clue :(
[04:50] <calamari> GammaRay: nope, except that I've never heard of it :)
[04:51] <ubuntu2u> ummm...
[04:51] <ubuntu2u> when i telnet something what is the hostname?
[04:51] <ubuntu2u> is that the ip adress or what?'
[04:51] <GammaRay> calamari: check out gnome-session-properties
[04:51] <lavigj> ubuntu2u: the ip address or something that will resolve to it. for example, www.google.com
[04:51] <GammaRay> it's in the menu somewhere also
[04:52] <lavigj> ubuntu2u: even though I am pretty sure they wouldn't let you know telnet in
[04:53] <lavigj> can anyone suggest a way to get an updated version of libsdl1.2debian without moving to hoary?
[04:53] <lavigj> or something unstable
[04:53] <calamari> GammaRay: thanks
[04:53] <farruinn> lavigj: what I do in cases like that is add a deb-src line for hoary in sources.list and apt-get source -b [package from hoary] 
[04:53] <|QuaD|> khaled: you still around?
[04:54] <khaled> |QuaD|: yes
[04:54] <mpq> how do I upgrade from warty to hoary?
[04:54] <lavigj> farruinn: um... ok... I will look into that then. Will I have to compile it manually if I do that?
[04:54] <farruinn> lavigj: no, that's what apt-get source -b does
[04:54] <lavigj> farruinn: ok
[04:55] <farruinn> lavigj: check out the apt howto from www.debian.org/doc
[04:55] <ubuntu2u> mpq, by reading the ubuntu guid i think you just type sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
[04:55] <ubuntu2u> or hell i'll just give you a link
[04:55] <bascule> ubuntu2u: telnet cyberspace.org
[04:55] <lavigj> farruinn: ok, thanks.
[04:55] <ubuntu2u> bascule. it won't work. it says invalid command when i type telnet something
[04:55] <ubuntu2u> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#upgradewartytohoary
[04:55] <ubuntu2u> mpq there is the link
[04:55] <mpq> ok
[04:56] <bascule> ubuntu2u: telnet twenex.org <-- pdp-10 system you don't stand a chance of understanding it
[04:56] <lavigj> farruinn: is that going to cause synaptics to want to upgrade numerous things, or does that not base it on deb-src sources?
[04:56] <ubuntu2u> bascule, it says invalid command when i type telnet
[04:56] <ramb0> i have just installed ubuntu hoary; any tips for here on out?
[04:57] <farruinn> lavigj: nope, synaptic won't try to upgrade you to hoary
[04:58] <lavigj> farruinn: thanks for the help
[04:58] <ubuntu2u> can anyone help me? when i try to run telnet it says invalid command
[04:58] <ramb0> apt-get install telnet?
[04:58] <salti> what is telnet?
[04:59] <ra> try apt-cache search telnet
[04:59] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, don't use telnet search google for "ssh tutorial"
[04:59] <bascule> ubuntu2u: what are you trying to do, bounce email, grab http direct?
[04:59] <ra> ok, so try apt-get install ssh
[05:00] <robertj> aha!
[05:00] <robertj> one last problem with my laptop
[05:00] <farruinn> ssh is already installed
[05:00] <bascule> ubuntu2u: friendly word, if you can't work out how to install it, stay awy from it for a bit, you have all the entertainment you need on that ubuntu machine
[05:00] <robertj> if I put my laptop to sleep, the only button which will wake it is the power button'
[05:00] <shad0w1e> well I finally tried out fluxbox like everyone said i should....
[05:00] <robertj> and that causes the machine to shut down ;)
[05:00] <shad0w1e> and I think it should come built into every distro of linux
[05:00] <bascule> learn how to use the shell, all telnet will do is get you another one, it *so* old that you'll get trouble all the time with it
[05:00] <Pluk> robertj, you have fglrx installed?
[05:01] <shad0w1e> nope
[05:01] <shad0w1e> its installed, but no 3d
[05:01] <GammaRay> fluxbox.. yawn
[05:01] <plagerism> thats strange, gedit uses the gnome-print stuff which works with cups, why doesnt abiword use this gui as well??
[05:01] <shad0w1e> well it sucks
[05:01] <shad0w1e> but it should still come build into every distro
[05:01] <lavigj> farruinn: shoot... I don't think that even has it
[05:01] <ubuntu2u> bascule, i dunno i read some article about port surfing and it said to do this and it is legal... i dunno lol
[05:01] <robertj> Pluk: what's that?
[05:01] <Pluk> the ati 3d driver
[05:01] <shad0w1e> like solaris comes with openwin
[05:01] <GammaRay> shad0w1e: why is that?
[05:01] <mpq> will I have to restart to upgrade to hoary?
[05:01] <shad0w1e> because its like 100KB window system
[05:02] <shad0w1e> with the basic: a window system
[05:02] <GammaRay> shad0w1e: icewm would be a betetr choice
[05:02] <bascule> port sufring with telnet i old news, it just raises alarms and gets you in trouble
[05:02] <robertj> Pluk: this is an nvidia laptop
[05:02] <farruinn> lavigj: that sucks :/
[05:02] <robertj> err adapater
[05:02] <GammaRay> shad0w1e: it's lighter than flux
[05:02] <|QuaD|> once hula includes ical, it is going to be awesome
[05:02] <shad0w1e> it's good to have when everything else is dead
[05:02] <farruinn> shad0w1e: I concur, fluxbox rox
[05:02] <Pluk> maybe nvidia;s 3d is bugging acpi too
[05:02] <shad0w1e> fluxbox can't rock
[05:02] <shad0w1e> its a window system
[05:02] <shad0w1e> thats it
[05:02] <bascule> although it is leagal, it is an unfriendly gesture, like walking about a night with a torch looking in windows
[05:02] <lavigj> farruinn: yeah..... I think I need greater than 1.2.8 for ffmpeg
[05:02] <marcin_ant> hi
[05:02] <shad0w1e> It's good to have, but not to use
[05:02] <robertj> Pluk: it works
[05:03] <robertj> its just that pressing the power button signals it to shut down
[05:03] <Pluk> cuz i had the same problem sleep and 3d didnt work at the same time
[05:03] <marcin_ant> does ubuntu use ~/.bash_profile ?
[05:03] <robertj> but my laptop wont wake the machine unless the power button is pressed
[05:03] <farruinn> shad0w1e: whatever, I used to use it all the time
[05:03] <Pluk> same here robertj
[05:03] <GammaRay> and I actually kinda enjoy using icewm :-P
[05:03] <stuNNed> jdub: i mean to burn mpg/ogg/flac to cd as cd tracks
[05:03] <shad0w1e> I'm considdering changing distros to get my stupid fglrx working, unless someone's got some newer tips....
[05:03] <mre> Having a problem with CUPS.  Anyone knowledgable about security issues?
[05:03] <Pluk> only diff is that ia have an ati card
[05:03] <LinuxJones> marcin_ant, yes
[05:03] <marcin_ant> I switched from fedora but I would like to delete this file from ~/
[05:03] <lavigj> farruinn: actually... what the heck. it is saying that it needs Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>1.2.7+1.2.8) but 1.2.7-7 is to be installed, but the only thing like that is cvs...
[05:03] <marcin_ant> LinuxJones:
[05:03] <mre> CUPS, anyone?
[05:03] <shad0w1e> can you stick a menu onto flux ??
[05:04] <Pluk> and now using the non 3d driver from x.org, now it works like a charm
[05:04] <marcin_ant> LinuxJones: but I cannot see these variables in "export"
[05:04] <Pluk> dont play games at all anyway
[05:04] <GammaRay> shad0w1e: it got one.. click on the background
[05:04] <farruinn> shad0w1e: in hoary, menu-xdg or something like that
[05:04] <marcin_ant> LinuxJones: so I'm not sure if it is safe to remove this file
[05:04] <lavigj> farruinn: maybe this will do it - I think I found a less cutting edge one available
[05:04] <LinuxJones> marcin_ant, what are you trying to do ?
[05:04] <mre> Trying to get past the default CUPS installation security.
[05:04] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, i want to use telnet for port surfing cuz i read an atricle on it. how do i get net send to work?
[05:04] <mre> Anyone know what user to use?
[05:04] <Pluk> mre, adduser cupsys shadow
[05:05] <stuNNed>  /win 10
[05:05] <marcin_ant> LinuxJones: hmm I just have for example JAVA_HOME in this file
[05:05] <lavigj> farruinn: bingo
[05:05] <stuNNed> oops
[05:05] <mre> cupsys already exists
[05:05] <lavigj> farruinn: thanks for the helpt though
[05:05] <farruinn> lavigj: no problem, glad you found a solution =)
[05:05] <lavigj> farruinn: me too :)
[05:05] <Pluk> you want to login to localhost:631 right?
[05:05] <shad0w1e> I meant a menu that I can add shortcuts onto, heh heh
[05:05] <mre> yes
[05:05] <marcin_ant> LinuxJones: but I don't have JAVA_HOME in export's output
[05:05] <GammaRay> shad0w1e: edit the file :-P
[05:05] <Pluk> then you have to add cupsys to the shadow group
[05:05] <marcin_ant> LinuxJones: and this is why I wonder if ubuntu uses file
[05:05] <farruinn> shad0w1e: go read the fluxbos website or something
[05:06] <shad0w1e> andalso get rid of that stupid thing on top of all the windows. i hate that thing
[05:06] <Pluk> that way cupsys can check the password and allows login
[05:06] <mpq> will I have to restart the computer once I'm done downloading the hoary upgrade?
[05:06] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, don't use telnet use ssh, search gogle for it there are thousands of how-to's for Linux + ssh
[05:06] <shad0w1e> hmm prob a good idea
[05:06] <mre> let me see if there's a group 'shadow'
[05:07] <LinuxJones> marcin_ant, have you checked www.ubuntuguide.org ??
[05:07] <shad0w1e> man fluxbox looks rad cool from the site, but crap on my own computer
[05:07] <shad0w1e> guess i gotta pimp it up....
[05:07] <mre> Yes, there's a group shadow, but that doesn't help.
[05:07] <Pluk> why doesnt it?
[05:08] <marcin_ant> LinuxJones: yes, but why?
[05:08] <Pluk> did you already add cupsys to the shadow group?
[05:08] <mre> Beats me.  I just want a printer to work.
[05:08] <marcin_ant> LinuxJones: JAVA_HOME?
[05:08] <stuNNed> shad0w1e: lol
[05:08] <robertj> Pluk: Bug # 6625
[05:08] <Pluk> after that you need to restart cupsys through /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[05:08] <ubuntu2u> linuxjones, is ssh already downloaded and i just need to install it using terminal or do i have to download it?
[05:08] <buckminst> Ok. Can anyone lend me some advice? During the ubuntu base installation, every time the installer hits a certain point, my laptop just shuts off. no warning, no apparant reason. I'm using an array 4 hoary CD image from the URL in the topic. Any clues?
[05:08] <ramb0> why does ubuntue never prompt me for a root password on install?
[05:09] <MacPlusG3> ramb0: RTFM
[05:09] <mre> user cupsys is now in groups dialout, lp and shadow.  Authrorization still fails.
[05:09] <trans_err> ramb0: because there is none
[05:09] <stuNNed> ramb0: cuz root account is disabled by default, it uses sudo instead, if you want a root account afaik after you log in you sudo passwd
[05:09] <trans_err> MacPlusG3: be kind
[05:09] <Amaranth> ramb0: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:09] <Amaranth> we really need a bot
[05:09] <billytwowilly> ever since I upgraded the kernel a couple days ago my laptop has started spinning down the hard drives while plugged in leading to irritating freeze times while it spins up again. How do I fix this?
[05:09] <khaled> yes
[05:09] <LinuxJones> ubuntu2u, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto
[05:09] <khaled> specially for that question
[05:09] <Amaranth> so i could do `root or something and have the bot spit that out
[05:09] <mre> I haven't restarted yet.  I will.
[05:10] <Pluk> after that you need to restart cupsys through /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[05:10] <MacPlusG3> trans_err: when things are in the FAQ... and *easily* findable in the FAQ
[05:10] <ramb0> stunned: that is clever, why is that?
[05:10] <Amaranth> that and ndiswrapper
[05:10] <shad0w1e> okay I'm gonna go give fluxbox a second shot before opening my mouth
[05:10] <shad0w1e> I'm gonna make it look like the pics on the website
[05:10] <trans_err> MacPlusG3: we may have inhereted a lot of debian, but no need to inheret the attitude
[05:10] <khaled> Amaranth: you have the link to ndiswrapper ?
[05:10] <stuNNed> ramb0: because it's basically a bad idea to use the root account directly, it's too dangerous.
[05:10] <ramb0> o
[05:10] <shad0w1e> u know i got ndiswrapper working without any trouble at all
[05:10] <ramb0> ok
[05:10] <ramb0> thanks
[05:10] <shad0w1e> and im a "newbie"
[05:10] <mre> OK, that made it work.  Thanks!
[05:11] <Pluk> mre, your welcome :)
[05:11] <shad0w1e> when they come out with a winmodem wrapper
[05:11] <shad0w1e> let me know
[05:11] <MacPlusG3> trans_err: F can be Fine.
[05:11] <stuNNed> ramb0: use sudo it will prompt you for your user password or you can create a root account if you wish, but it's not ubuntu policy, at least current, afaik
[05:11] <Amaranth> khaled: Yeah, but I have to google that one. :P
[05:11] <shad0w1e> i created an ubuntu root acount
[05:11] <shad0w1e> just type in
[05:11] <Amaranth> khaled: It's the first result for "ndiswrapper ubuntu" in google.
[05:11] <shad0w1e> sudo passwd root
[05:11] <shad0w1e> then su to switch into root
[05:11] <stuNNed> think just sudo passwd will do it no?
[05:12] <trans_err> sudo passwd works as well, but there is no need
[05:12] <trans_err> just sudo -s
[05:12] <shad0w1e> its annoying to have to keep typing in sudo at every damn command
[05:12] <shad0w1e> thats what i found
[05:12] <khaled> Amaranth: thanks
[05:12] <trans_err> shad0w1e: sudo -s opens a sudo session
[05:12] <stuNNed> sudo -s can be dangerous as it can change permissions of stuff created in ~/home
[05:12] <stuNNed> imho
[05:12] <shad0w1e> aight later fellas , im gonna go work on my fluxbox
[05:12] <farruinn> stuNNed: only if you screw around in ~ ...
[05:12] <shad0w1e> pimp it up
[05:12] <shad0w1e> heh
[05:12] <shad0w1e> its really fast
[05:12] <shad0w1e> cya
[05:12] <stuNNed> if files get created using sudo -s they are created as root, no?
[05:13] <farruinn> right
[05:13] <trans_err> stuNNed: yes
[05:13] <ubuntu2u> sometimes i huff butane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!_______________________________________________
[05:13] <ubuntu2u> am i cool or what?
[05:13] <BiteMeBill> or what
[05:13] <ubuntu2u> damn!
[05:13] <ubuntu2u> nah staaa ever sick
[05:13] <marcin_ant> hmm I see there are sudo questions
[05:13] <ubuntu2u> i don't huff butane
[05:13] <marcin_ant> so I got another onr
[05:14] <marcin_ant> one
[05:14] <ubuntu2u> i sniff gas!
[05:14] <farruinn> ubuntu2u: please, that's very inappropriate for this channel
[05:14] <marcin_ant> how to ssh as root on localhost on ubuntu without root account?
[05:14] <lavigj> farruinn: "/ignore" :D
[05:14] <billytwowilly> what is SHA-1 used for?
[05:14] <Pluk> marcin_ant, never ssh as root
[05:14] <Pluk> just ssh as user the su there
[05:14] <marcin_ant> Pluk: on _localhost_
[05:14] <stuNNed> farruinn: so i take it the reason k3b-setup can be dangerous when run with sudo is what it creates in home?
[05:15] <Pluk> ah soz
[05:15] <marcin_ant> Pluk: I want to use "tramp" package in emacs
[05:15] <farruinn> stuNNed: oh, well for gui apps it's usually better to use gksudo or kdesudo (or whatever the kde equivalent is)
[05:15] <trans_err> stuNNed: you have to run k3bsetup2 as root
[05:16] <marcin_ant> Pluk: and open files owned by root with C-x C-f /root@localhost:/etc/fstab (for example)
[05:16] <marcin_ant> Pluk: is this possible when there is no root account?
[05:16] <farruinn> sudo emacs ?
[05:16] <Pluk> hmm dunno
[05:16] <Pluk> 1st thing i always do is enable root account :P
[05:16] <marcin_ant> farruinn: I don't want to fire another instance of emacs
[05:17] <marcin_ant> farruinn: I just want to open single file - as root
[05:17] <farruinn> hm, dunno then.  maybe ask in #emacs?
[05:18] <marcin_ant> farruinn: heh and you propably know their answer
[05:18] <marcin_ant> farruinn: "don't use rootless distro" :)
[05:19] <farruinn> hm, I see
[05:19] <farruinn> you could request a solution on the ubuntu devel mailing list I suppose
[05:19] <jesuel> no root account?
[05:19] <jesuel> what distro is this?
[05:19] <jesuel> :)
[05:20] <|QuaD|> jesuel: :)
[05:20] <jesuel> there is always a superuser account of some sort
[05:20] <|QuaD|> jesuel: you can enable root
[05:20] <jesuel> i know that :)
[05:21] <jesuel> thats the first thing i did when i installed ubuntu
[05:21] <regeya> and unlike os x, you won't void your warranty
[05:21] <farruinn> root isn't disabled, there just ins't a password
[05:21] <marcin_ant> jesuel: but there is no way to ssh to this account on ubuntu
[05:21] <jesuel> marcin_ant, do you have a user account on the system?
[05:21] <marcin_ant> jesuel: user? soure
[05:22] <marcin_ant> s/soure/sure
[05:22] <GammaRay> well root is overrated.. have never missed using it
[05:22] <ubuntu2u> farriunn, hey umm i installed an ssh server how the heck do i use it? i want to be able to telnet to other computation devications
[05:22] <jesuel> so just ssh to the user account and then sudo emacs wheverfile
[05:22] <marcin_ant> jesuel: I don't want to do this
[05:22] <mre> ssh requires a username as well as a host
[05:23] <jesuel> you could enable root to ssh in
[05:23] <jesuel> but i wouldnt do that ;p
[05:23] <farruinn> ubuntu2u: go read some documentation, you don't need a server on your machine to access other computers
[05:23] <mre> e.g., bohunk@xyz.com
[05:23] <marcin_ant> jesuel: because I have my own configuration for emacs as user in  ~/.emacs
[05:23] <|QuaD|> so have you guys seen hula?
[05:23] <mre> that is ssh bohunk@xyz.com
[05:23] <regeya> ?
[05:23] <|QuaD|> ?
[05:24] <regeya> what's hula
[05:24] <marcin_ant> jesuel: and another thing is that when I'll forget that this emacs session is sudo session
[05:24] <ubuntu2u> farriunn shut the hell up! *proceeds to jump off building in monkey suit with cape on* you will never stop me! BTW do i need to have ssh installed on another computer i want to remotely log onto?
[05:24] <|QuaD|> new novell open source project
[05:24] <|QuaD|> was /.'ed earlier
[05:24] <marcin_ant> jesuel: then I'll change files in my ~/ with root priviledges
[05:24] <jesuel> hrm
[05:24] <mre> more than just installed.  sshd needs to be running on the remote computer
[05:25] <marcin_ant> jesuel: do you have emacs?
[05:25] <jesuel> have, yes...
[05:25] <jesuel> i dont like it
[05:25] <jesuel> or use it
[05:25] <jesuel> im a vi person
[05:25] <marcin_ant> jesuel: and you don't have root password?
[05:25] <jesuel> i do have a root password
[05:26] <regeya> indeed, sshd must be running
[05:26] <marcin_ant> jesuel: heh then there is no point trying
[05:26] <marcin_ant> jesuel: hmmm then...... how to remove user password?
[05:27] <marcin_ant> regeya: don't run sudo emacs
[05:27] <marcin_ant> regeya: just run emacs
[05:27] <marcin_ant> regeya: as user
[05:27] <trans_err> marcin_ant: no-- let him have fun for a bite
[05:27] <regeya> marcin_ant: um, someone was lamenting not being able to open a file in emacs as root...?
[05:27] <trans_err> s/bite/bit
[05:27] <marcin_ant> regeya: and then try to edit file like for example /etc/fstab
[05:28] <regeya> well
[05:28] <regeya> whee
[05:28] <marcin_ant> regeya: you can do this as root
[05:28] <marcin_ant> regeya: with "tramp"
[05:28] <marcin_ant> regeya: just open file with
[05:28] <mpq> the hoary installer stopped
[05:28] <mpq> does that mean it's done?
[05:28] <marcin_ant> regeya: ctrl+x ctrl+f
[05:28] <jesuel> i actually HATE emacs, lol :)
[05:29] <regeya> marcin_ant: so, what's your gripe again?
[05:29] <marcin_ant> regeya: and then /root@localhost:/etc/fstab
[05:29] <regeya> oh heh
[05:29] <marcin_ant> regeya: I don't wan to run two instances of emacs and remember which is "user" instance and which is "root" instance
[05:29] <regeya> I've got tramp set to use ftp by default :-}
[05:30] <regeya> marcin_ant: sudo passwd root
[05:30] <marcin_ant> regeya: then /ssh:root@localhost:/etc/fstab
[05:30] <farruinn> marcin_ant: use screen -S root sudo emacs
[05:30] <trans_err> have you kids tried amarok yet?
[05:30] <regeya> and quityerbellyachinalready
[05:30] <tux_> trans_err, it kinda sucks
[05:30] <trans_err> tux_: ?!
[05:30] <tux_> xmms seems to be better
[05:30] <tux_> IMHO
[05:30] <trans_err> tux_: how so? just curious
[05:31] <tux_> amarok that is
[05:31] <marcin_ant> regeya: heh so - there is no way to use tramp in emacs on "default rootless ubuntu" right?
[05:31] <tux_> has some coolness, but crashes often
[05:31] <trans_err> tux_: they just released a 1.2 final
[05:31] <regeya> I found that blogmax bitched on the os x box at work always used sftp, and I use the same .emacs there and here
[05:31] <regeya> marcin_ant: you're biting the head off the wrong person.
[05:31] <trans_err> tux_: just built it-- no normal crashes yet
[05:31] <shad0w1e> hey does anyone want to give me a crash course on flux?
[05:31] <mpq> what the hell just happened?
[05:32] <trans_err> shad0w1e: right click
[05:32] <regeya> marcin_ant: I guess you failed to notice the lack of 'Ubuntu Developer' nametag on my shirt
[05:32] <tux_> trans_err, maybe that was the problem
[05:32] <shad0w1e> I'm not that bad
[05:32] <jesuel> lol regeya
[05:32] <shad0w1e> i got X-chat open
[05:32] <mpq> I just upgraded to hoary... I think... and everything on the toolbars is gone
[05:32] <tux_> ah, nice
[05:32] <trans_err> tux_: i just rolled up a deb if you want to try her out
[05:32] <tux_> ok
[05:32] <mpq> it said the "trash applet" crashed and now there's nothing else on the toolbar
[05:32] <shad0w1e> but I got a theme : how to install?
[05:32] <tux_> i will build it
[05:32] <marcin_ant> regeya: sorry I just wanted to know if I really need root password to use tramp - nothing more
[05:33] <trans_err> tux_: make sure to grab the xinerama-devs -- for some reason it fails the build if you dont have them
[05:33] <regeya> marcin_ant: I wish I knew what the logic of not setting a root password is, but I don't.  So, my suggestion would be to set a root password, run emacs sudo, or run off and investigate how to get tramp to do what you want to do because not only do I not know, I don't need to know how to do what you want to do.
[05:33] <mpq> you have to be kidding me
[05:33] <mpq> this is running worse than windows now
[05:33] <Amaranth> regeya: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:33] <Amaranth> Man, I really need to make a bot do that...
[05:33] <tux_> mpq, living on the edge has it's risks
[05:33] <Pluk> LOL
[05:33] <tux_> =)
[05:34] <regeya> Amaranth, I'll file that link under 'stuff I'll read after I'm dead'
[05:34] <mpq> what is that supposed to mean?
[05:34] <trans_err> mpq: make sure you got everything properly and restart X
[05:34] <Pluk> ehehehe
[05:34] <shad0w1e> ok how do I add a menu onto fluxbox - where I pop shortcuts onto?
[05:34] <tux_> mpq, time to do a downgrade back to warty
[05:34] <tux_> eh
[05:34] <Amaranth> regeya: You didn't know why they disable root, that tells you.
[05:34] <trans_err> shad0w1e: terminal and your fav text editor is your friend
[05:34] <shad0w1e> I got that...
[05:34] <mpq> this is idiotic
[05:34] <Pluk> shad0w1e, your prolly ask that in #fluxbox
[05:34] <regeya> ...
[05:34] <tux_> mpq, i did that once too
[05:34] <shad0w1e> ohh
[05:35] <mpq> the trash applet is crashing repeatedly
[05:35] <shad0w1e> why didnt i think of that
[05:35] <tux_> was a pain
[05:35] <shad0w1e> thanks then
[05:35] <Pluk> :)
[05:35] <bascule> shad0w1e: ALL TEXT FILES ~/.FLUXBOX , i RECOMMEND READING THE DOCS AT FLUXBOX.ORG
[05:35] <mpq> and there's nothing on the toolbar now
[05:35] <tux_> so i started again with warty cd
[05:35] <Amaranth> regeya: If you're going to ignore it don't give advice about it, please.
[05:35] <regeya> !
[05:35] <trans_err> mpq: did you try restarting X?
[05:35] <tux_> mpq, try using the console
[05:35] <mpq> what do you mean x?
[05:35] <tux_> Ctrl+Alt+Bkspace
[05:35] <regeya> Amaranth: could you PLEASE direct that at the person who was needing to resolve an emacs issue? :-)
[05:35] <bascule> oops, I'll watch next time and not roll cigarrettes while typing, sorry :(
[05:35] <tux_> or Ctrl+Alt:F1
[05:35] <tux_> lol
[05:35] <tux_> he did it
[05:36] <trans_err> mpq: you should know what X is before you install hoary
[05:36] <trans_err> hahaha
[05:36] <tux_> gotta love them noobs
[05:36] <Amaranth> regeya: "I wish I knew what the logic of not setting a root password is, but I don't.  So, my suggestion would be to set a root password,"
[05:36] <trans_err> tux_: why did you ever think upgrading to hoary would be a good idea?
[05:36] <regeya> Amaranth, please leave me alone!
[05:36] <trans_err> tux_: did he*
[05:36] <tux_> trans_err, I wanted to try
[05:36] <tux_> hehe
[05:36] <Pluk> Amaranth, did you follow the whole conversation?
[05:36] <tux_> trans_err, love to live on the edge
[05:36] <trans_err> tux_: oh i run it as well
[05:36] <shad0w1e> u know, firefox starts up instantly on fluxbox -- it is a sight to be seen!
[05:36] <Amaranth> Pluk: I tried, I lag.
[05:36] <tux_> evidently mpq does too
[05:36] <regeya> also, Amaranth, I'm /ignoring you for now, so I'm going to direct the person I was talking to toward the link you provided THANKS AGAIN
[05:37] <tux_> shad0w1e, yes
[05:37] <Amaranth> Keeps jumping along on me.
[05:37] <trans_err> shad0w1e: okay now connect to a samba share and add it to your desktop :D
[05:37] <tux_> i use flux here on my damnsmall lcd pictureframes
[05:37] <tux_> very fast
[05:37] <regeya> marcin_ant: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:37] <mpq> this is ridiculous
[05:37] <tux_> mpq, well that worked
[05:37] <mpq> no it didn't
[05:37] <tux_> mpq, have you rebooted
[05:37] <tux_> >
[05:37] <mpq> now gnome isn't even open
[05:38] <trans_err> mpq: you didnt fully install hoary
[05:38] <|junit|> Can anyone tell me how to completely remove firefox?
[05:38] <mpq> I followed the directions
[05:38] <mpq> why didn't it work?
[05:38] <tux_> apt-get dist-upgrade?
[05:38] <Pluk> |junit|, apt-get remove --purge mozilla-firefox
[05:38] <mpq> I did that
[05:38] <trans_err> mpq: |junit| dpkg -P mozilla-firefox
[05:38] <trans_err> tux_: don't do that
[05:38] <tux_> mpq, some package missing
[05:38] <trans_err> ugh
[05:38] <tux_> ok
[05:38] <trans_err> dist-upgrade is horrid
[05:38] <mpq> I can't open the console now
[05:38] <Xenguy> |junit|: sudo apt-get --purge remove <packagename> should work
[05:39] <trans_err> pull things down as you need
[05:39] <Pluk> trans_err, explain?
[05:39] <mpq> I'm going to be pissed if I have to reinstall
[05:39] <tux_> mpq, try Ctrl+Alt+F2
[05:39] <trans_err> mpq: dont freak out-- you're missing some packages
[05:39] <marcin_ant> regeya: I know this page
[05:39] <tux_> mpq, yes
[05:39] <marcin_ant> regeya: but thanks anyway
[05:39] <trans_err> Pluk: dist-upgrade will pull down new packages, which has the potential to break stuff-- and a lot-- all at once
[05:39] <tux_> and Ctrl+Alt+F7 to come back to X
[05:39] <tux_> lol
[05:40] <tux_> didga do it?
[05:40] <tux_> hehe
[05:40] <|QuaD|> back to installing kubuntu on qemu :)
[05:40] <Pluk> trans_err, maybe with hoary
[05:40] <|junit|> I get this error on Firefox, and even reinstalling doesn't help =/
[05:40] <trans_err> Pluk: ?
[05:40] <Pluk> but then again its beta
[05:40] <mebaran151> hey
[05:40] <trans_err> |junit|: what error?
[05:40] <regeya> marcin_ant: seriously, if I were you, it sounds like you have a need for a root password, so I'd go ahead and set a password if I were you.  I even set root passwords on OS X machines, despite the near complete lack of needing to do so (notice I said 'near complete lack', emphasis on 'near' ;-)
[05:40] <|junit|> Error launching browser window: no XBL binding for browser
[05:40] <mebaran151> I have a nvidia modules problems
[05:40] <mebaran151> problem
[05:40] <mebaran151> sorry
[05:40] <trans_err> mebaran151: have you read the binary driver howto?
[05:40] <mebaran151> nvidia modules wont modprobe because it is the Invaild Format
[05:40] <mebaran151> yes
[05:41] <mebaran151> it installs
[05:41] <mebaran151> so I did a modprobe -f
[05:41] <mebaran151> and it works
[05:41] <trans_err> ugh
[05:41] <mebaran151> they load correctly and I can restart x
[05:41] <bascule> |junit|: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases/fix-extensions.html
[05:41] <|junit|> Saw that
[05:41] <|junit|> I don't have a ~/.phoenix/ dir
[05:42] <bascule> not work, try ~/.firefox instead of ~/.phoenix?
[05:42] <trans_err> |junit|: because it hasn't been there for a while
[05:42] <mebaran151> how can i pass
[05:42] <trans_err> |junit|: try ~/.mozilla
[05:42] <marcin_ant> regeya: I agree
[05:42] <|junit|> sweet
[05:42] <|junit|> thanks for the help
[05:43] <marcin_ant> regeya: I could use sudo emacs but is so uncomfortable....
[05:43] <mpq> this is infuriating
[05:43] <regeya> marcin_ant: *nod*
[05:43] <mpq> nothing is working now
[05:43] <marcin_ant> regeya: and now I got root password and I'm happy ;)
[05:43] <tux_> mpq, can you do the switch to another console... like i said?
[05:43] <regeya> heh
[05:43] <regeya> w00t
[05:44] <tux_> mpq, try Ctrl+Alt+F2
[05:44] <mpq> I did that
[05:44] <tux_> ok
[05:44] <trans_err> mpq: i'm running hoary-- it does work-- nothing i can see is broken-- try an apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[05:44] <mpq> I couldn't do anything in it
[05:44] <mpq> I had to reboot
[05:44] <tux_> but tabbing between consoles  you should be able to find one that allows you to
[05:44] <marcin_ant> regeya: heh I need to find out what this *nod* and w00t means ;>
[05:45] <mpq> but I don't know what I'm supposed to do in the console
[05:45] <tux_> do sudo apt-get upgrade / update
[05:45] <bassinboy> LOL@ funny ebay auctions http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5558812835&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
[05:45] <tux_> mpq, type that command using "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[05:45] <tux_> in the other console
[05:45] <tux_> cli is not that bad
[05:45] <marcin_ant> regeya: ok - now I'm geek - I know what w00t means :)
[05:45] <tux_> lol
[05:47] <tux_> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=w00t&btnG=Google+Searchhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=w00t&btnG=Google+Search
[05:47] <tux_> oops
[05:47] <tux_> rumor has it the SHA-1 has been cracked
[05:48] <tux_> for real
[05:48] <|junit|> Hey, I have a question about Hoary, is it stable and what is the biggest difference?
[05:48] <trans_err> |junit|: it is for me-- differences include gnome changes (most noticable)
[05:48] <trans_err> |junit|: oh and xorg
[05:49] <crimsun_> tux_: that's a really tall stretch. Even with the collisions that are forceable in MD5 and SHA1, they were a _long_ way from being "cracked."
[05:49] <tux_> yea, but reputable source from slackware group just told me about it
[05:49] <crimsun_> (not that it's not possible, because anything's possible, ...)
[05:49] <|junit|> Does apt-get have all the packages Warty does?
[05:49] <tux_> lol
[05:49] <tux_> apt-get has moe
[05:49] <|junit|> what
[05:50] <tux_> depends on what u want
[05:50] <tux_> something like 20K in debian sources
[05:50] <|junit|> im gonna download it =D
[05:50] <tux_> lol
[05:50] <crimsun_> tux_: ah, from Bruce Shneier's web site?
[05:50] <crimsun_> Schneier^
[05:51] <tux_> yea, that was what Alan said
[05:51] <crimsun_> yeah, I'm reading about it now.
[05:51] <tux_> Alan is rewriting the manual for slack
[05:51] <crimsun_> if this is verified (it looks like it will be), this is gonna stomp something major :(
[05:52] <tux_> yes
[05:52] <tux_> scary
[05:53] <dud> what are ya talking about...?
[05:54] <tux_> SHA-1 craked
[05:54] <crimsun_> dud: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/02/sha1_broken.html
[05:54] <tux_> cracked
[05:54] <tux_> thks crimsun
[05:54] <crimsun_> collision attack
[05:54] <tux_> lol
[05:55] <ewhitten> evenin' all.
[05:55] <ewhitten> or well, whenever it is there.
[05:55] <tux_> welcome
[05:55] <tux_> or greetings suffice
[05:55] <regeya> xargs: invalid option -- I  <- (!)
[05:55] <dud> damn...
[05:55] <ewhitten> random question:  anyone tried to get on a cingular wifi hotspot with ubuntu?
[05:56] <crimsun_> regeya: what command are you feeding it?
[05:56] <ImagistTD> Hello
[05:56] <tux_> ewhitten, it should work unless they have some bogus login process
[05:56] <regeya> oh hooray
[05:56] <regeya> --replace={} works
[05:56] <ewhitten> tux_:  yeah, I spent almost an hour in philly international airport yesterday morning trying to get on.
[05:57] <ImagistTD> I'm having problems with an install
[05:57] <ewhitten> I could associate, see the AP feeding me a WEP key, but... no DHCP servers answering.
[05:57] <ImagistTD> I'm new to linux
[05:57] <regeya> crimsun_ if you must know, and I just got it to work, I was trying to do (for various reasons) ls *.gz | sed s/.gz//g | xargs -I {} mv {}.gz {}
[05:57] <ImagistTD> can anybody help?
[05:57] <regeya> but I did it, it worked beautifully as xargs --replace={} mv {}.gz {}
[05:57] <ewhitten> ImagistTD:  don't ask to ask questions, just go for it. :)
[05:58] <alien_in_rm_301> once i have a program installed through synapse how do i get it's icon in the applications menu?
[05:58] <regeya> meh.  I thought os x also used gnu xargs...h.
[05:58] <regeya> hm.
[05:58] <crimsun_> regeya: ah, I would have used a for loop with sed, too
[05:58] <ImagistTD> I'm running a Dell Inspiron 1100 and I can't get past  Retrieving nic-extra-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386-di
[05:58] <ImagistTD> I tried the noapic workaround
[05:59] <calamari> re's
[05:59] <heydude> hey i need some help - i want to dual boot a computer
[05:59] <tux_> uhoh
[05:59] <tux_> heydude, one drive or 2?
[05:59] <alien_in_rm_301> anyone know how to get icons in the applications menu of apps that you just installed
[06:00] <ImagistTD> is there any other workaround?
[06:00] <regeya> soon as I finish rsync'ing my blogmax folder to my work box, that is. ;-)
[06:00] <calamari> I think I've been able to trace the default keyboard mapping to the file xmodmap.us-101  I tried doing a text search for that, but the Find tool seems to keep locking up on me.  Is it bad to search from / ?
[06:01] <calamari> I'm trying to figure out which file loads the xmodmap.us-101 file
[06:01] <heydude> i just have 1 drive
[06:01] <heydude> its for an old comp
[06:01] <heydude> i finally got it networked, and want to try out linux since it should run much smoother
[06:02] <ImagistTD> my install hangs at  "Retrieving nic-extra-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386-di"
[06:02] <ImagistTD> that's common for dell laptops
[06:02] <SiRrUs> good evening boys
[06:02] <ImagistTD> but I can't get any of the workarounds to work
[06:02] <CarlK> what do I apt-get to update all?
[06:03] <CarlK> upgrade
[06:03] <tux_> ImagistTD, what chipset for the NIC?
[06:03] <CarlK> got it
[06:03] <alien_in_rm_301> ok nobody can help me
[06:03] <alien_in_rm_301> i give up
[06:03] <calamari> alien_in_rm_301: or you simply have no patience ;)
[06:03] <crimsun_> alien_in_rm_301: how did you install those apps?
[06:03] <ewhitten> alien_in_rm_301:  menu editing is currently not possible through the GUI
[06:04] <ewhitten> you can always create the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications.
[06:05] <regeya> crimsun_: sorry, I seem to be typing in irc client first, reading manpage later.  I'll try to stop that. :-}
[06:05] <ewhitten> speaking of which, has anyone else in hoary had a Debian menu randomly appear under applications
[06:05] <alien_in_rm_301> I installed them with synapse
[06:05] <crimsun_> ewhitten: "randomly?" ;) So 'menu' and 'menu-xdg' were installed?
[06:05] <Bandit> ewhitten a couple weeks ago
[06:06] <calamari> ewhitten: you can go to applications:/// to set up menus
[06:06] <ewhitten> okay, so by "randomly," I mean "when I wasn't paying attention"
[06:06] <neom> Any of you guys have apache running on ubuntu?
[06:06] <calamari> although it's a crapshoot as to whether the icons you choose will stick or if they'll go to a default setting
[06:06] <ewhitten> calamari:  I thought that wasn't working in gnome 2.10 beta?
[06:06] <alien_in_rm_301> sorry i dont have alot of time tonight, i dont mean to seem impatient
[06:06] <crimsun_> neom: for a short while I did; used aptitude to install it
[06:06] <crimsun_> ewhitten: it only works for warty
[06:07] <calamari> ewhitten: sorry, maybe I came in late.. I'm referring to 2.8 :)
[06:07] <neom> aptitude?
[06:07] <ImagistTD> Tux_, I don't know which chipset offhand, but a quick search says that inspiron 1100s have the CMD64x chipset, so that's probably it
[06:07] <ewhitten> that's what I thought.
[06:07] <DeepSpaceAnt> guys after i did a ubuntu update and polysound was installed i cant play music in rhythmbox / totem / mplayer anymore
[06:07] <dud> heydude, good to hear you want to try out linux... but the default ubuntu install doesnt really run too fast on old computers :)
[06:07] <DeepSpaceAnt> any ideas
[06:07] <DeepSpaceAnt> ?
[06:07] <neom> I was just going to get it from synaptic.
[06:08] <DeepSpaceAnt> noone knows wats wrong?
[06:08] <calamari> heydude: I'm working on updating Grey Cat Linux to use some of the Ubuntu features.. going slow though.  Basically I have the 2.4.29 kernel going.  No X yet :P
[06:08] <dud> does ubuntu have polyphonic sound drivers by default?
[06:08] <ewhitten> DeepSpaceAnt:  I think the polypaudio isn't quite the drop-in replacement it needs to be right now.  I did the same thing today on two machines.. one worked perfectly, the other had the same problem as you.
[06:08] <crimsun_> DeepSpaceAnt: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022670.html
[06:09] <DeepSpaceAnt> ewhitten, so should i just install esound again?
[06:09] <ewhitten> DeepSpaceAnt:  maybe you should read that link crimsun_ just posted first. :)
[06:09] <|junit|> Ubuntu mirrors are so fast =D
[06:09] <DeepSpaceAnt> ewhitten, :P yea
[06:09] <dud> |junit|, thats the idea of mirrors yes hehe
[06:10] <DeepSpaceAnt> ewhitten, k tw, all working
[06:10] <ewhitten> cool
[06:10] <ewhitten> thank crimsun_, not me. :-P
[06:10] <mpq> okay, it's working now... finally...
[06:10] <DeepSpaceAnt> ewhitten, those steps are clean or is that just a hack for now?
[06:10] <tux_> mpq, good
[06:10] <ewhitten> I have no idea.  I'm trying them now
[06:10] <crimsun_> DeepSpaceAnt: we're investigating. For now, it's a workaround.
[06:11] <mpq> it looks like I'm on hoary now
[06:11] <mpq> I think
[06:12] <DeepSpaceAnt> oh, you guys also know why when playing wmv's in totem the sound doesnt work? Its all choppy (i tried totem-gstreamer and the other totem-)
[06:12] <crimsun_> mpq: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l libc6|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}'
[06:12] <mpq> what is that?
[06:12] <crimsun_> mpq: prints the package revision of libc6 installed.
[06:13] <mpq> now all the windows are crammed into the left side
[06:13] <mpq> how do I fix that?
[06:13] <allnames> hi all
[06:13] <crimsun_> mpq: that command tells me whether you've upgraded to hoary
[06:14] <allnames> wat do i do if i want to upgrade an application in ubuntu using internet ..
[06:14] <tux_> wow
[06:14] <mpq> 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu8
[06:14] <allnames> cab someone pls tell me...wat do i do if i want to upgrade an application in ubuntu using internet ..
[06:14] <tux_> allnames, try synaptic
[06:14] <tux_> in the console
[06:15] <tux_> type "sudo synaptic"
[06:15] <crimsun_> mpq: yep, that's hoary
[06:15] <allnames> tux: in gentoo ... i did emerge -u app
[06:15] <tux_> nice
[06:15] <tux_> =)
[06:15] <mpq> all the open program buttons in the bottom of the toolbar are crammed into the left side
[06:15] <tux_> i know
[06:15] <mpq> how do I fix that?
[06:15] <allnames> tux: lol.. wat i mean is .. is it as easy as that in ubuntu?
[06:15] <tux_> almost
[06:15] <tux_> but no compiling ... for the most part
[06:16] <tux_> allnames, look or the ubuntu wiki
[06:16] <allnames> i like compiling : S...
[06:16] <tux_> complete howto on there
[06:16] <allnames> tux: can u pls give me the url
[06:16] <crimsun_> mpq: adjust the properties of the bar
[06:16] <tux_> er, i like using things.. not waiting
[06:17] <tux_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage
[06:17] <allnames> has any1 installed ubuntu on their laptop?
[06:17] <mpq> crimsun_ and do what?
[06:17] <tux_> allnames, yes
[06:17] <|junit|> allnames: yes
[06:17] <allnames> i would like ot know how good it is with touchpad and wireless
[06:17] <ewhitten> and I'm playing world of warcraft in a window now too. ;)
[06:17] <|junit|> both worked amazing for me
[06:17] <snowblink> Does anyone know how to configure mutt/postfix to set the return path to the sender as opposed to the user?
[06:18] <crimsun_> mpq: you can adjust the width
[06:18] <ImagistTD> tux, talk to me man, you're my only hope!  (the chipset version is A06, just checked my drivers disk)
[06:18] <allnames> tux && junit : can u pls tell me if u had problems using ur touchpad and wireless card
[06:18] <crimsun_> mpq: sorry, I'm not in front of a hoary desktop atm, so I can't walk you through it.
[06:18] <mpq> I don't see an option for width
[06:18] <tux_> allnames, not me
[06:18] <tux_> no issues with that at all
[06:18] <tux_> using a Dell 7500 inspiron
[06:18] <tux_> mpq, me neither
[06:19] <ewhitten> Dell c840 latitude here
[06:19] <ImagistTD> Dell 1100 here
[06:19] <allnames> tux: oh ok ...what i wanted to know was.. does it .. detect wireless access points well.. adn if i need to break my head to enable it.. and touchpad
[06:19] <tux_> need a Qemu img for Hoary
[06:19] <tux_> D505 here
[06:19] <ImagistTD> maybe we can get the whole inspiron series here
[06:19] <ewhitten> tux_:  you have suspend-to-disk going?
[06:19] <elmaya> inspiron8500 here
[06:19] <tux_> ewhitten, on the inspiron.. yes
[06:19] <elmaya> and it sucks
[06:20] <tux_> this one only to ram
[06:20] <DeepSpaceAnt> oh, you guys also know why when playing wmv's in totem the sound doesnt work? Its all choppy (i tried totem-gstreamer and the other totem-)
[06:20] <tux_> D505 that is
[06:20] <mpq> how do I resize the window buttons in hoary?
[06:20] <|junit|> works good with centrino
[06:20] <elmaya> use mplayer
[06:20] <ewhitten> mpq: what window buttons?
[06:20] <mpq> the buttons in the toolbar
[06:20] <tux_> DeepSpaceAnt, did you optimize your HD with hdparm?
[06:20] <ewhitten> with your running programs?
[06:20] <mpq> yeah
[06:21] <mpq> they're all crammed into the left side for some reason
[06:21] <ewhitten> mpq:  see that little vertical bar all the way to the left of those icons?
[06:21] <ewhitten> probably right after the little desktop button
[06:21] <ewhitten> right click that, choose Preferences, then select the Size tab.
[06:22] <mpq> it's always on minimum size for some reason
[06:23] <ewhitten> mpq:  the sizing can get a little funky yes.  try upping your min. size to something like 512 pixels
[06:23] <mpq> sounds like a bug
[06:23] <DeepSpaceAnt> tux_, what would that have to do with that?
[06:23] <DeepSpaceAnt> tux_, i dont get the same problems in mplayer
[06:24] <mpq> maybe I should get used to using workspaces
[06:24] <ewhitten> they are rather helpful.
[06:24] <tux_> DeepSpaceAnt, you are setting the Hard Drive parameters such as using DMA
[06:24] <tux_> google and look at the howto on Orielly
[06:25] <|junit|> I am looking for a linux book, do you guys have any recommendations?
[06:25] <DeepSpaceAnt> k
[06:25] <Xirdneh> hi there, can someone help me, dmsg say this: ndiswrapper version 0.10 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=no)
[06:25] <Xirdneh> ndiswrapper (wrapper_init:2286): loadndiswrapper failed (1536);check utils version mismatch... what utils is it talking about?
[06:26] <Guest_386> junit, For a good linux command reference book, you might want to try o'reilly's LInux Pocketbook guide.
[06:26] <DeepSpaceAnt> tux_, it looks more like a problem with software: this is the error in terminal: ffmpeg_audio_dec: error decompressing audio frame
[06:26] <tux_> ah, yea
[06:26] <tux_> did ya google for that error?
[06:26] <|junit|> I'm kinda lookin for an actual book... but a quick guide would be good to have
[06:26] <DeepSpaceAnt> tux_, yae, quite a bit::P
[06:26] <Guest_386> Yeah, I couldn't suggest a book, but that guide is invaluble.
[06:27] <snowblink> |junit|: tldp.org
[06:27] <ImagistTD> Anyone know how to make Ubuntu install on a Dell Inspiron 1100 with Pentium 4 and Chipset Version A06?  It hangs on "Retrieving nic-extra-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386-di" and the usual "linux noacpi pci=noapic" workaround isn't working.
[06:27] <Xenguy> |junit|: FWIW -> http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/
[06:28] <crimsun_> ImagistTD: those kernel parameters are reversed
[06:28] <crimsun_> ImagistTD: pci=noacpi noapic   <--
[06:29] <ImagistTD> Thank you!  I'll be back, hopefully via Gaim in Ubuntu.
[06:29] <|QuaD|> still installing ubuntu via qemu
[06:30] <delltony> anyone ever heard of gaim-w that is suppose to add video and voice to gaim? if so where about might i find the deb package for this?
[06:31] <|QuaD|> delltony: gaim-vv
[06:31] <GregoryD> what file holds the information for iptables?
[06:31] <|QuaD|> delltony: its EXTREMELY outdated iirc
[06:31] <|junit|> this is a good channel =D
[06:32] <|QuaD|> |junit|: thanks... i guess :)
[06:32] <delltony> oh
[06:32] <|junit|> ha
[06:32] <delltony> then in that case nevermind
[06:32] <|QuaD|> delltony: why?
[06:32] <delltony> you said extremely outdated
[06:32] <delltony> no need in having something outdated
[06:32] <|QuaD|> delltony: once they are mature enough, tehy will be put in gaim
[06:32] <|QuaD|> delltony: yeah
[06:32] <delltony> i just wish there was a way cause there kinda is if you konkw the room name
[06:33] <delltony> but my thought is a way to list the room names on that instant messenger thing
[06:33] <delltony> some folks don't like chat personally i do but anyway
[06:33] <delltony> oh and speaking of chat
[06:33] <DeepSpaceAnt> anyone know why i get : ffmpeg_audio_dec: error decompressing audio frame
[06:33] <DeepSpaceAnt>  when playing wmv's in xine (happens in gstreamer too) but doesnt happen in mplayer
[06:33] <delltony> has anyone successfully gotten paltalk 7.0 to run on wine? if so how
[06:34] <|junit|> What is a good CD Burning GUI?
[06:34] <delltony> i have winetools running
[06:34] <delltony> k3b
[06:34] <tux_> lol
[06:34] <|junit|> I use Gnome
[06:34] <DeepSpaceAnt> graveman
[06:34] <tux_> yea, k3b is the best
[06:34] <DeepSpaceAnt> |junit|, graveman
[06:34] <delltony> k3b rocks however how do you get it to auto su?
[06:34] <SiRrUs> |junit| k3b works fine
[06:34] <delltony> i have did that setup thing it ask but it always fails
[06:34] <delltony> so i have to sudo k3b it
[06:34] <|junit|> under gnome?
[06:34] <DeepSpaceAnt> |junit|, gravemen uses gtk, workes perfectly with gnome
[06:35] <DeepSpaceAnt> |junit|, its in the rep. just search under synaptic
[06:35] <SiRrUs> delltony type gksudo k3b
[06:35] <tux_> delltony, user group issue... check permissons on tmp folder and make user part of burning group
[06:35] <delltony> ok thats a new one on me man gksudo ?
[06:35] <tux_> works for me
[06:35] <SiRrUs> delltony with hoary you dont need to worry about it
[06:36] <delltony> not running hoary yet
[06:36] <delltony> tried to get it up and running on 2 attempts both failed so ill just wait
[06:36] <SiRrUs> :)
[06:36] <GregoryD> what file holds the information for iptables?  I'm switching from windows and I need to use identd to or a fake ident to connect to some irc servers so I need to edit it
[06:36] <ImagistTD> hi, I'm back
[06:36] <ImagistTD> no luck
[06:37] <delltony> i mean i could set here and pull my hairs out trying to get it working but i think it would be pointless considering its not released yet :)
[06:37] <delltony> just my thought
[06:37] <crimsun_> ImagistTD: did you try each option singly? "noapic" for instance.
[06:37] <mebaran151> how do I make apt restore the init script for inetd
[06:37] <mebaran151> I didnt touch
[06:37] <mebaran151> it
[06:37] <|junit|> im likin graveman =d
[06:37] <|junit|> =D
[06:37] <mebaran151> but it keeps complaining that it cant fix it
[06:37] <DeepSpaceAnt> |junit|, :) have fun
[06:37] <crimsun_> mebaran151: --reinstall install
[06:37] <|junit|> im gonna go install hoary
[06:37] <|junit|> later
[06:37] <mebaran151> thanks
[06:38] <ImagistTD> here's what I typed after boot: linux pci=noapci noapic.  I also tried pci=noapic noacpi in case I mistyped it
[06:38] <ImagistTD> cromsun_, no
[06:38] <ImagistTD> i'll try that
[06:38] <crimsun_> ImagistTD: typo on pci=noaCPi
[06:38] <mebaran151> I dont want to break a whole bunch of dependency
[06:38] <mebaran151> but I would like to use xinetd
[06:38] <delltony> SiRrUs: i did a man on gksudo trying to get an understanding of it what exactly does it do? is it a group sudo or something just curious to learn new commands thanks
[06:38] <mebaran151> and remove inetd regular
[06:39] <mebaran151> netkit-inetd
[06:39] <crimsun_> brb
[06:39] <ImagistTD> crimson, that's what I typed.  above it a typo
[06:39] <GregoryD> gksudo = sudo for the window system
[06:39] <ImagistTD> *is
[06:39] <delltony> aww ok thanks
[06:40] <ImagistTD> I'm going to go try every possible combination of noa with the letters c, p, and i after them that I can think of until something works
[06:40] <ImagistTD> I;m very frustrated
[06:41] <GregoryD> useful since some programs will install an icon with the command gksu <filename>... and since ubuntu doesn't have root by default, it won't let ya run em
[06:43] <SiRrUs> delltony here you go The command is a frontend to sudo. Its primary purpose is to run graphical commands that need root without the need to run an X terminal emulator and using su or sudo directly
[06:43] <delltony> ok
[06:43] <delltony> so do you do it only once?
[06:43] <delltony> and it sets it up?
[06:43] <delltony> or do yo uhave to issue gksudo k3b each go round?
[06:43] <SiRrUs> nope everytime it starts
[06:43] <delltony> ok
[06:44] <tim> looking for help setting up plone on warty, any luck?
[06:44] <delltony> so basically in a way its a dummie sudo to fool the application so to speak
[06:44] <SiRrUs> :)
[06:45] <GregoryD> delltonY: make an icon and use gksudo k3b as the command
[06:45] <delltony> sounds good to me and you said it automatically installs an icon for you?
[06:45] <delltony> yeah i did that
[06:45] <delltony> working fine actually
[06:45] <delltony> and thanks for the help
[06:45] <GregoryD> not for kde files, I don't believe
[06:45] <GregoryD> you can add it to a menu, though
[06:46] <SiRrUs> delltony any time
[06:47] <delltony> tell me i hear alot about hoary not working with backports and all tht good stuff, well i have used backports and my question is this. when hoary becomes offical will i have major issues upgrading or will there be away to remove the backports so the upgrade with hopefully go smooth?
[06:47] <ImagistTD> still no luck
[06:47] <ImagistTD> I entered the parameters separately
[06:48] <ImagistTD> all they did was create different speeds of flickering when the install hangs
[06:48] <SiRrUs> delltony sorry i dont know anything about backports :)
[06:49] <delltony> thats cool maybe you can help on this one you know of any way to get paltalk to work on wine. i believe the frankscorner method is way outdated
[06:49] <delltony> for its version 5.0 and pal is on 7.0 now
[06:50] <delltony> the winedebuger comes up but unfortunately for me i hve no idea how to understand it :(
[06:51] <SiRrUs> delltony try crossover think you can get a 30 day trial to see if you like it
[06:51] <delltony> i tried that and really didn't like it
[06:51] <delltony> cause winetools seems just like crossover
[06:52] <delltony> and why pay for something that you already have to the most part :)
[06:52] <SiRrUs> :)
[06:57] <SiRrUs> got very quiet in here
[06:57] <GregoryD> yeah, I still can't figger out my issue :)
[06:57] <SiRrUs> ?
[06:57] <mpq> I just realized it was a mistake to install windows on a ntfs partition
[06:58] <GregoryD> I need to figure out where the rules for iptables is stored so that I can edit them to use identd to connect to some irc servers
[06:58] <ImagistTD> installing windows is always a mistake
[06:58] <mpq> it was only for games
[06:58] <ImagistTD> I know, just joking
[06:58] <Guest_386> bye!
[06:58] <ImagistTD> I'm on windows right now
[06:58] <mpq> I know it was a mistake
[06:59] <ImagistTD> I'm losing hope in my ever switching to linux
[06:59] <Mr_Smiley> :(
[06:59] <mpq> I'm uninstalling it once I get a better gaming pc
[06:59] <mpq> this laptop is not good for gaming
[06:59] <SiRrUs> mpq just buy an Xbox
[07:00] <GregoryD> I buy consoles if I wanna play video games
[07:00] <ImagistTD> a dell?  you probably have the same problem as I if it's a dell
[07:00] <mpq> xbox doesn't play the sims 2
[07:00] <mpq> and I already have one
[07:00] <GregoryD> as long as linux runs my emulators, I'm A-OK :)
[07:00] <Mr_Smiley> :D
[07:01] <neighborlee> :)
[07:01] <mpq> if I can figure out how to run the sims 2 in wine, I wouldn't need windows
[07:01] <linux101> I just installed the newest ubuntu realese and it isn't making use of both procs. do i need to recompile the kernal with smp suport or is there an esier way
[07:01] <mpq> but I don't think I can
[07:01] <mpq> for that matter, I can't even access the windows partition
[07:02] <mpq> so I don't think I can run it
[07:02] <neighborlee> mpq, can't access it ?
[07:02] <heydude> im gonna try out the livecd- will that run how ubuntu will normally run
[07:02] <GregoryD> Sony needs to give me a computer powered by 8 cell processors
[07:02] <GregoryD> I would be happy
[07:02] <mpq> it tells me I don't have permission to access the partition
[07:02] <ImagistTD> the sims 2 has huge graphics
[07:02] <neighborlee> GregoryD, me too LOL
[07:02] <ImagistTD> I'm surprised that you can run it at all on a laptop
[07:02] <mpq> heydude, it would probably be slower
[07:02] <SiRrUs> linux101 why not just aptitude the kernel
[07:03] <mpq> because it will be running off the cd
[07:03] <diego> hi all. i know this SOUNDS stupid but it's what i'm experiencing and is 100% reproducible on my machine. any .pdf i upload becomes corrupt. checked this with attachments on gmail and hotmail. jpg attachment worked fine. i'm on hoary. would someone else be kind enough to see if it's just me? this is important to me as i got a 0 on an assignment i spent 5 hours doing yesterday because i couldn't print it.
[07:03] <linux101> hmm didn't think of that
[07:03] <SiRrUs> :)
[07:03] <ImagistTD> kay, one last try
[07:03] <diego> linux101: yeah there smp kernel is your best bet :P
[07:04] <diego> the*
[07:04] <mpq> is it possible to access ntfs partitions outside of windows?
[07:04] <mpq> because I don't think it is
[07:04] <diego> mpq: yes
[07:04] <delltony> as in mounting them?
[07:04] <ImagistTD>  I had an error when the boot disk was "Loading components of the Ubuntu Installer". Everything goes fine until it comes to "Retrieving nic-extra-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386-di". Then the screen flickers (looks like an infinite loop)
[07:04] <mpq> I think I read somewhere that it would be read-only
[07:04] <diego> mpq: do something like `mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/point/
[07:04] <mpq> if so, it wouldn't help me
[07:04] <diego> mpq: oh...
[07:05] <mpq> I can't install the sims 2 outside of windows
[07:05] <mpq> and I can't run it from the partition in hoary
[07:05] <ImagistTD> I'm running on a Dell Inspiron 1100, Pentium 4, version A06 chipset
[07:05] <diego> mpq: yeah, if you want stable read&write support between win&lin, i think fat is the way to go
[07:05] <mpq> which would require that I uninstall windows
[07:05] <SiRrUs> anyway good night everyone
[07:05] <Mr_Smiley> you can read ntfs partitions fine, just not write
[07:06] <diego> mpq: no..windows comes with an ntfs->fat32 conversion utility i think
[07:06] <mpq> really?
[07:06] <delltony> it does?
[07:06] <mpq> I thought it was only the other way
[07:06] <diego> hehe, i think it does both
[07:06] <delltony> i don't think it is i think its only one way honestly
[07:06] <diego> i'll boot and check if you'll see if .pdf attachments work for you...deal?
[07:06] <mpq> windows doesn't like fat
[07:06] <mpq> so I don't see why it would
[07:07] <heydude> hey- will the live CD - run the same as a normal install- i wanna see how fast the os works
[07:07] <mpq> it won't be as fast as the install
[07:07] <heydude> k
[07:07] <diego> heydude: negative, reading off a cd is much slower than reading off a hd
[07:07] <mpq> because it will be limited by cd read speed
[07:07] <heydude> ok
[07:07] <diego> mpq: deal?
[07:08] <mpq> huh?
[07:08] <diego> if you'll check if .pdf file uploads (such as in a html-based e-mail attachment), i will look for that ntfs->fat32 tool
[07:08] <zenrox> delltony,  it does work bolth ways
[07:09] <mpq> if I convert NTFS to FAT32 will it destroy the data?
[07:09] <diego> preferable
[07:09] <diego> **cough** i mean no
[07:09] <mpq> if I had a choice I wouldn't have windows at all
[07:10] <mpq> but my sister is addicted to the sims 2 and my computer is the only one in the house that can handle it
[07:10] <heydude> can someone help me partition a drive
[07:10] <heydude> im trying to have a dual boot- windows/linux - i dunno what the hell im doing
[07:10] <ImagistTD> I'm going to try something from the documentation again
[07:10] <diego> will someone check the reproducibility pdf attachment issue i'm having (posted in detail 7-8 minutes ago), please?
[07:10] <ImagistTD> I may know what I did wrong
[07:10] <delltony> where in xp? cause i tried it before i know partition magic 8 will do it
[07:10] <mpq> heydude: do you know what partition windows is on?
[07:11] <heydude> no
[07:11] <heydude> i dl'd a tool
[07:11] <heydude> partition magic or something
[07:11] <mpq> you downloaded partition magic?
[07:11] <heydude> something like that
[07:12] <mpq> are you sure it's partition magic?
[07:12] <diego> sounding illegal, roofle
[07:12] <delltony> yeah and converted it with partitoin magic i couldn't find any other way to do it after reading the forums
[07:12] <delltony> http://www.ntcompatible.com/thread18987-1.html
[07:13] <heydude> i downloaded a zip file online with some things
[07:13] <heydude> is there another program i can use
[07:13] <heydude> an open source one?
[07:13] <mpq> partition magic is retail
[07:13] <sulkd> mpq, you don't want fat32.. believe me... fat32 has a 4gig filesize cap
[07:13] <heydude> k
[07:13] <tux_> qtparted on knoppix
[07:13] <tux_> works good
[07:13] <diego> come on, no one in here is nice enough to check if a .pdf http upload works for them on hoary?
[07:14] <tux_> just had to slip that in
[07:14] <mpq> what about fat?
[07:14] <sulkd> ?
[07:14] <delltony> that is true too what sulkd  said
[07:14] <mpq> is there a cap on FAT?
[07:14] <tux_> fat is very limited...
[07:14] <tux_> that is why ms uses ntfs now
[07:15] <mpq> I can't use NTFS outside of windows
[07:15] <tux_> right
[07:15] <delltony> if you have two boxes you can
[07:15] <mpq> I don't have two boxes
[07:15] <linux101> ms should switch to rieserFS
[07:15] <delltony> you can samba into it
[07:15] <sulkd> mpq, yeah.. each file can only be 4 gigabyte... which doesnt suit me since I have some dvdr images
[07:15] <mpq> each file?
[07:15] <tux_> and using ext3 in windows is not really working .. except for reading
[07:15] <mpq> I thought you meant the entire partition
[07:16] <sulkd> mpq, well you can read ntfs just fine..
[07:16] <diego> tux_: ext3 in windows? how?
[07:16] <mpq> but I can't write to it
[07:16] <mpq> which doesn't help
[07:16] <sulkd> mpq, maybe what you need is a flash unit for carrying files between linux and windows
[07:16] <mpq> I have that
[07:16] <mpq> but that's not the point
[07:16] <sulkd> ok
[07:16] <tux_> diego, there is an opensource app called explorerext2 or some such
[07:16] <sulkd> yeah
[07:16] <mpq> the problem is that the I only have windows to run the sims 2
[07:16] <diego> tux_: cool, i'll have to check that out sometime
[07:16] <sulkd> the flash things suck anyway, I think they even are fat formatted
[07:16] <delltony> he is wanting to dual boot windows linux if i understand him right
[07:16] <mpq> if I could run it in linux I could uninstall windows
[07:16] <mpq> but I can't
[07:16] <tux_> diego, handy tool
[07:17] <delltony> mpq then in that cause use that free vmware qeum i thnk it is
[07:17] <tux_> mpq, why uninstall windows...
[07:17] <delltony> case even
[07:17] <mpq> I can't
[07:17] <tux_> just delete the partition
[07:17] <tux_> or rather format it
[07:17] <mpq> if I uninstall windows I can't run games
[07:17] <tux_> lol
[07:17] <zenrox> mpq, i have many games installed
[07:17] <mpq> my sister is addicted to the sims 2 and my computer is the only one that can run it
[07:17] <linux101> thats why i keep windows for the games
[07:18] <delltony> dude like i stated run that vmware program that is the free one i forget the name someone can help me with that
[07:18] <tux_> mpq, that is why i have another system .. just for windows crap... got the system from the dumpster
[07:18] <sulkd> oh come on, we all know that if you want to run games it's best to just use windows and not even bother with cedega..
[07:18] <delltony> but i use vmware personally to play games and what have you
[07:18] <mpq> I can't afford another box
[07:18] <tux_> delltony, i think qemu will do that for you
[07:18] <mpq> if I could I sure wouldn't dual boot
[07:18] <delltony> yeah thats it
[07:18] <delltony> thanks for the name
[07:18] <sulkd> delltony, run games in a windows that is run over an emulator?
[07:18] <tux_> mpq, nice to hear
[07:18] <delltony> yeah i run windows xp full install in vmware
[07:18] <delltony> and the games work fine
[07:19] <sulkd> mpq, can you afford another hdd ?
[07:19] <delltony> haven't tested all games
[07:19] <mpq> no
[07:19] <delltony> but once like deer hunter and all work fine
[07:19] <mpq> I'm broke
[07:19] <sulkd> ah been there..
[07:19] <zenrox> mine games are all installed nativly
[07:19] <sulkd> I have this 60 gig here.. would give it to you if you were in my area
[07:19] <mpq> where are you?
[07:19] <delltony> mpq: have you tried qemu?
[07:19] <sulkd> mpq, Iceland :] 
[07:19] <mpq> heh
[07:19] <diego> i'm sorry to repost but if everyone else is going to be an ass and ignore me, i'll be an ass and keep asking:
[07:19] <diego> hi all. i know this SOUNDS stupid but it's what i'm experiencing and is 100% reproducible on my machine. any .pdf i upload becomes corrupt. checked this with attachments on gmail and hotmail. jpg attachment worked fine. i'm on hoary. would someone else be kind enough to see if it's just me? this is important to me as i got a 0 on an assignment i spent 5 hours doing yesterday because i couldn't print it.
[07:20] <mpq> I guess you'd be pretty sure that I'm not in the area
[07:20] <delltony> haha thats a sure way to get no help :)
[07:20] <ficusplanet> Hey, do the recent hoary kernels have inotify 0.18?
[07:20] <mpq> if you're in iceland
[07:20] <ficusplanet> (wanting to try the new beagle)
[07:20] <diego> delltony: wtf do you suggest i do?
[07:20] <mpq> I'd help but I don't have any .pdf files
[07:20] <sulkd> mpq, well.. 290k people here... 6 billion in the world...
[07:20] <delltony> just be patient and don't call folks ass for one
[07:20] <mpq> lol
[07:21] <diego> mpq: use this one then http://www.authentica.com/index_files/products/white_papers/prwp_11_final.pdf (from google)
[07:21] <delltony> diego upload me a pdf i don't care
[07:21] <delltony> ill open it and see
[07:21] <mpq> wait... I have no place to upload
[07:22] <diego> i upload it, download it, and it's corrupt. i want to see if it's just me or if it's someone else
[07:22] <|QuaD|> i am getting sick of installing this on qemu.... i am going to definitely back up the image when i am done :)
[07:22] <sulkd> diego, how do you download it?
[07:22] <diego> mpq: no web-based e-mail account?
[07:22] <delltony> diego dcc it to me or whatever
[07:22] <diego> sulkd: using gmail for all this (and also tried with hotmail)
[07:22] <GregoryD> zip your file, unzip on other end
[07:22] <diego> GregoryD: the zipping worked for me...jpg's worked. but why does this happen?
[07:23] <sulkd> diego, bummer..
[07:23] <GregoryD> if it's only a pdf and no other binary, then you shouldn't have a problem ;)
[07:23] <delltony> i thought i read somethign about corruption in open office on the forums
[07:23] <delltony> but i think it was doc files though
[07:23] <diego> i can open the .pdf on my hard drive before sending fine
[07:23] <sulkd> diego, could be some ascii transfer mode shit.. but I kind of doubt it over HTTP
[07:23] <diego> i send it, and it only uploads a portion of the pdf
[07:23] <sulkd> oh
[07:24] <linux101> where do i run make menuconfig in ubuntu?
[07:24] <mpq> will non-root commands work in a root terminal?
[07:24] <delltony> diego you have a link?
[07:24] <delltony> or a file i can look at
[07:24] <OmniColos> hmm anyone using network-manager?
[07:25] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: I am.
[07:25] <diego> delltony:  hmm...i could e-mail it, /msg me if you wish
[07:25] <delltony> sure
[07:25] <delltony> one thing have you tried
[07:25] <hoary_> exit
[07:25] <delltony> tarball it
[07:25] <hoary_> exit
[07:25] <hoary_> exit
[07:25] <delltony> and then send so it doesn't get a potential mime conversion?
[07:25] <OmniColos> ficus it says I need network-tools to compile...
[07:26] <diego> delltony: well i've taken a look at the corrupt pdf and there appears to be no english in it
[07:26] <delltony> cause for example in a php instance if you upload a jpg with cough cough ie
[07:26] <delltony> its a pjpeg
[07:26] <delltony> instead of jpe
[07:26] <OmniColos> I'd use the package but it cant be found from the people.umbuntu.com entry suggested on the ubuntu page...
[07:27] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: Do you mean wireless-tools?
[07:27] <sulkd> linux101, uhm, if you want to build your own kernel you must download the sources, unarchive them, and then do it from the directory it expands to
[07:27] <randabis> crap crap crap
[07:27] <randabis> sudo broke
[07:27] <linux101> o right forgot about that rrrr
[07:27] <OmniColos> yeah... and synaptic says they are installed
[07:28] <sulkd> randabis, broke?
[07:28] <mpq> I have a problem
[07:28] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: Install libiw-dev.  You need to be using hoary to build the cvs, by the way.
[07:28] <mpq> the touchpad on my laptop is too sensitive
[07:29] <mpq> when I use a USB mouse it works fine
[07:29] <mpq> but the touchpad moves too fast
[07:29] <tux_> mpq, you can download and install the touchpad drivers
[07:29] <OmniColos> hoary?! <sigh>
[07:29] <tux_> to control it
[07:29] <sulkd> mpq, spend some time with it.. it will help your womanizing skill.. heh :] 
[07:29] <mpq> ...
[07:29] <tux_> google for them
[07:29] <randabis> sulkd, yeah it won't let me sudo
[07:29] <mpq> it works
[07:29] <tux_> yea
[07:29] <tux_> mine too
[07:29] <mpq> but it's too sensitive
[07:29] <randabis> sudo must be setuid root
[07:29] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: It isn't too hard to get netapplet going in warty.  Do you want to try that?
[07:29] <mpq> the cursor moves too fast
[07:29] <tux_> but better control using those drivers
[07:30] <OmniColos> will network manager work at all with warty?
[07:30] <mpq> I don't know what to google for
[07:30] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: Not the newer cvs, no.  The last release probably would, though.
[07:30] <ficusplanet> 0.3.1, I think
[07:30] <tux_> mpq, it's a synaptics or alps touchpad
[07:30] <sulkd> randabis, hehe... then you have no choice but to put "init=/bin/bash" into your /boot/grub/menu.lst and reboot and change it..
[07:30] <OmniColos> I'll try it.  just seem to have trouble getting connected with the airport...
[07:30] <tux_> the package is on sourceforge.net
[07:31] <sulkd> randabis, just put it at the "kernel" line... then remove it when you're done fixing your system
[07:31] <ficusplanet> Oh, older airport or airport extreme?
[07:31] <tux_> google for touchpad drivers linux
[07:31] <OmniColos> reg airport
[07:31] <sulkd> randabis, put it at the end of the line.. the parsing is slightly fubar
[07:31] <randabis> hmm ok
[07:31] <OmniColos> orinoco
[07:31] <ficusplanet> cool
[07:31] <sulkd> randabis, and no quotes
[07:31] <tux_> OmniColos, good card
[07:32] <sulkd> randabis, just something like kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-3-k7 root=/dev/sda2 ro quiet splash init=/bin/bash
[07:32] <OmniColos> i think the network I connect to does not broadcast its presence :P
[07:32] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: OK.  Do you have the essid?
[07:32] <OmniColos> tahnx tux, I guess I lucked out?!
[07:33] <sulkd> randabis, or wait... selecting that "recovery mode" thing at boot might also work, I guess
[07:33] <OmniColos> I think so... I wont be able to test till tomorrow tho
[07:33] <randabis> just one problem...lol can't edit menu.lst with no root haha...I'll have to edit it at boot
[07:33] <randabis> brb
[07:33] <poningru> can someone connect to irc.mozilla.org ?
[07:33] <poningru> I cant connect
[07:33] <sulkd> randabis, try the recovery mode
[07:33] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: OK, you can run "sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid yournetwork" where wlan0 is your wireless card
[07:34] <poningru> anyone?
[07:34] <poningru> no ok
[07:34] <poningru> thnx guys
[07:34] <Jeremy_D> hello all :D
[07:34] <OmniColos> I think wlan0 would be "airport" no?
[07:34] <tux_> welcome Jeremy_D
[07:34] <mpq> I found a solution
[07:35] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: No.  Run iwconfig and see which interface has wireless extensions.
[07:35] <tux_> cool
[07:35] <mpq> I put the mouse on top of the keyboard
[07:35] <OmniColos> ok
[07:35] <Jeremy_D> does anyone know where i can find some nice themes for unbuntu?
[07:35] <mpq> since it's an optical mouse it still works
[07:35] <tux_> lol
[07:35] <tux_> that is funny
[07:35] <mpq> and the keyboard is flat because it's a laptop
[07:36] <OmniColos> ah ok :D
[07:36] <OmniColos> eth1 :D
[07:37] <sulkd> mpq, if it were me and budget were tight, I'd sell the laptop and assemble a decent desktop system.. everything is mad cheap now, especially stuff that used to be expensive like CRTs.. all the plebeians are buying LCDs these days
[07:37] <tux_> yea, ifconfig -a is your friend
[07:37] <mpq> I can't exactly sell the laptop
[07:37] <mpq> my mom got it for me so I could take it to school when I start taking classes again
[07:37] <tux_> lol
[07:38] <sulkd> mpq, ah
[07:38] <helquist> is there anyone in here?
[07:38] <tux_> helquist, lol, yes
[07:38] <mpq> once I get more money I'm getting a decent desktop for games
[07:38] <sulkd> randabis, everything ok again?
[07:38] <OmniColos> ok ficus I'll give that a try :D
[07:38] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: That will assign the essid.  If there is wep, let me know.  Otherwise, just run "sudo dhclient eth1"
[07:38] <helquist> I just upgraded to hoary and now I don't have any sound
[07:38] <randabis> sulkd, no lol
[07:38] <sulkd> IamJacksUsername, lol.. nice nickname
[07:38] <randabis> I'm not sure how to fix it lol
[07:38] <helquist> I have an abit nforce2 motherboard
[07:39] <sulkd> randabis, did you try hitting escape just before boot and selecting "recovery mode" ?
[07:39] <IamJacksUsername> I'm not allowed to talk about it sulkd
[07:39] <randabis> I just did init=/bin/bash
[07:39] <helquist> what modules do I need to play sound.  I think the onboard sound uses the alsa driver
[07:39] <randabis> I was able to get root that way, but I don't know how to fix sudo heh
[07:39] <sulkd> IamJacksUsername, heheh.. his name was Robert Johnson..
[07:40] <randabis> lol I should have re-enabled root while I was at it
[07:40] <OmniColos> network authentication is WPA
[07:40] <OmniColos> data encryption is TKIP
[07:41] <OmniColos> EAP method is TTLS
[07:41] <randabis> this was my own fault I admit
[07:41] <OmniColos> Tunnel Auth Protocol is PAP
[07:41] <randabis> I stupidly did chmod 777 /usr
[07:41] <randabis> haha
[07:41] <OmniColos> I hope those are supported?!
[07:41] <IamJacksUsername> I'm trying to access a suse harddisk with the Ubuntu array 3.5 live CD. Someone told me to look with "cat /proc/mounts" (because the mount said already mounted or dir busy). What should I look for in the cat output to find here hda1 is?
[07:42] <Dreamer3> ok, who is working on the xfce page?
[07:42] <lucid> just installed ubuntu in vmware, think I'll be dumping stupid, slow, ugly winxp for this beautiful linux distro ;] 
[07:42] <Mr_Smiley> nice
[07:42] <IamJacksUsername> here>where
[07:42] <OmniColos> ficus thank you for your help, wish me luck :D
[07:42] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: They're supported, but I've never used them.  :/  I know NetworkManager is going to support them soon, too.
[07:42] <Dreamer3> lucid: why'd you install it in vmware?
[07:42] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: Good luck.
[07:42] <Dreamer3> lucid: you should be running linux in vmware until ubuntu
[07:43] <Dreamer3> lucid: windows xp i mean under linux
[07:43] <Dreamer3> *under
[07:43] <|QuaD|> how do i view installed packages... dpkg -l right?
[07:43] <OmniColos> are you using ppc too ficus?
[07:43] <Dreamer3> |QuaD|: yeah
[07:43] <|QuaD|> it is giving me uninstalled packages too :(
[07:43] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: No.  I'm on a Dell, unfortunately.
[07:43] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: But NetworkManager rocks.
[07:43] <Jeremy_D> i am downloading theme files, how do i install them, i have tried to use the theme installer, but it doesnt seem to be working
[07:44] <|QuaD|> dpkg -l is showing me all packages
[07:44] <Jeremy_D> i am trying to install it by clicking on the XML file, but that doesnt work, theres nothing else to use to install it
[07:44] <lucid> well, I've been a windows user forever
[07:44] <mpq> I've been a windows user until less than two weeks ago
[07:44] <Jeremy_D> why mpq?
[07:44] <lucid> i dabble with linux now and again being a web developer
[07:45] <lucid> but that's about it
[07:45] <Jeremy_D> yeah me as well
[07:45] <mpq> why? Because I installed ubuntu?
[07:45] <OmniColos> I was gonna ask a 1394 question... I got raw1394 running with the mknod hack but it is very sluggish getting dv
[07:45] <Jeremy_D> same with me lucid, its not my main system, but i play with it
[07:45] <mpq> I could do away with it entirely if my sister wasn't addicted to a pc game
[07:45] <OmniColos> and the output is unreadable
[07:45] <DeepSpaceAnt> heydude, 1/2 the time when im away from my comp and i come back, i come back to see that my comp is frozen, what logs do i see to find out whats causing the freezing?
[07:46] <OmniColos> why do you say unfortunately dell?
[07:46] <mpq> doesn't dell suck almost as much as windows?
[07:46] <qlo-xael> Hello, i JUST installed ubuntu, very interesting
[07:46] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: It's just bulky, ugly, and loud.
[07:46] <mpq> linux is neat
[07:46] <_LC_> hi all
[07:46] <lucid> i love the default theme
[07:47] <mpq> a lot faster than the resource hog that is windoze
[07:47] <jesuel> OoOo,
[07:47] <Jeremy_D> i love kde's default theme
[07:47] <DeepSpaceAnt> heydude, 1/2 the time when im away from my comp and i come back, i come back to see that my comp is frozen, what logs do i see to find out whats causing the freezing?
[07:47] <OmniColos> welll it seems linux perks up any machine :D
[07:47] <Jeremy_D> much more customization
[07:47] <lucid> my friend has been pimping ubuntu for ages, finally got a CD off him
[07:47] <qlo-xael> i have a question and a problem, my question is can i get back to real console mode?
[07:47] <mpq> once I can get my old computer to turn on, I'm going to install ubuntu on it
[07:47] <OmniColos> I'm just happy I dont need osx
[07:47] <qlo-xael> i cant seem to get out of X
[07:47] <lucid> OmniColos, you're running it on ppc?
[07:47] <snowblink> qlo-xael: CTRL+ALT+F1
[07:48] <Jeremy_D> os x is awesome :)
[07:48] <OmniColos> yeah on an ibook 700mhz
[07:48] <Jeremy_D> i am a windows, linux, os x user :)
[07:48] <qlo-xael> thanks, second, when i installed it, i dont remember ubuntu asking for a root password
[07:48] <Jeremy_D> same with some distributions of linux
[07:48] <OmniColos> awsome OSX may be but I am not at home on it
[07:48] <snowblink> qlo-xael: root is locked. Use sudo
[07:48] <lucid> how do i get out of gnome/x so i can install this stupid thing vmware needs?
[07:48] <_LC_> Can anyone help me with an installation problem? Have installed & re-installed quite a few times - whenever I reboot, the machine hangs on the "GRUB loading, please wait..." msg?
[07:49] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: So ubuntu seems to work well on that iBook?  How about suspend and such?  I ask because I have a friend with the same machine.
[07:49] <lucid> can i kill -9 gnome?
[07:49] <Jeremy_D> wow this is a bit hectic, there needs to be different rooms for all this lol
[07:49] <DeepSpaceAnt> heydude, 1/2 the time when im away from my comp and i come back, i come back to see that my comp is frozen, what logs do i see to find out whats causing the freezing?
[07:49] <OmniColos> suspend is wierd... I am still playing with it... and I think I messed up installing powerfrefs :D
[07:49] <ficusplanet> lucid: Just do ctrl+alt+f3 and then telinit 3 to kill x
[07:49] <qlo-xael> smashing
[07:50] <OmniColos> disk IO seems sluggish it take like 15min to copy a cd to hd
[07:50] <OmniColos> but q2 runs fullscreen about 60fps
[07:50] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: Hmmm ... you might have udma disabled.
[07:51] <OmniColos> I think so too
[07:51] <OmniColos> like disk operations hog the cpu
[07:51] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: sudo hdparm -i /dev/hda
[07:51] <mpq> I've been running folding@home near constantly
[07:51] <mpq> and my computer still runs well
[07:51] <mpq> linux is neat
[07:52] <OmniColos> brb, lemme switch machines...
[07:52] <Jeremy_D> i like the whole atmosphere of the ubuntu users
[07:52] <Jeremy_D> its not like other distros of other users...
[07:53] <OmniColos> hmm says udma2 mode active
[07:53] <ficusplanet> Jeremy_D: Yeah, the community is great.  And it's growing and getting more involved all the time.
[07:54] <ficusplanet> OmniColos: Try the same command on /dev/hdc
[07:54] <ficusplanet> (that should be your cdrom)
[07:54] <Jeremy_D> ficusplanet, I heard that unbuntu is fairly new...
[07:54] <ficusplanet> Jeremy_D: Yes, the first official release was in october of last year.
[07:54] <_LC_> Can anyone help me with an installation problem? Have installed & re-installed quite a few times - whenever I reboot, the machine hangs on the "GRUB loading, please wait..." msg?
[07:55] <Jeremy_D> ficusplanet, wow it's doing pretty good then, i would say.
[07:55] <OmniColos> mdma2 active on CDROM
[07:55] <ficusplanet> Jeremy_D: Yeah.  It's obviously filling a big need because all kinds of people are flocking to it.
[07:55] <OmniColos> no UDMA
[07:55] <Jeremy_D> ficusplanet, I mean it makes me feel much more comfortable with linux, knowing that there is help and a bit of thought put into the ease of use.
[07:56] <heydude> why does deep space ant keep saying
[07:56] <heydude> heydude, 1/2 the time when im away from my comp...
[07:56] <OC_Linux> <--omnicolos on ibook
[07:57] <Jeremy_D> ficusplanet, i have played with linux for almost two years and in that time, never got anything installed. now i know my way around computers i have 9 years excperience and im a IT graduate.
[07:57] <OmniColos> I love ubuntu :D
[07:57] <Jeremy_D> ficusplanet, ubuntu was the first linux disto i was able to actually install something
[07:57] <OmniColos> I am migrating from xp/2k
[07:58] <Jeremy_D> xp --> 2k why?
[07:58] <ficusplanet> Jeremy_D: Awesome.  Congratulations.  Things should be getting much easier in the next releases.  The first was actually somewhat rushed because they needed to organize their development team.
[07:58] <OC_Linux> no from xp/2k --->> linux :D
[07:58] <izo> r/cl
[07:58] <Jeremy_D> oh! :P
[07:59] <Jeremy_D> ficusplanet, well i love seeing whats new and using the latest technology, its great!
[07:59] <Jeremy_D> ficusplanet, i started out with mandrake 9 and when they did the big switch to 10 it was really exciting.
[07:59] <myzt1qu3> hello
[08:00] <myzt1qu3> i want help with "Ubuntu" system installation
[08:00] <qlo-xael> how generally successful is a new kernel install in ubuntu?
[08:00] <OC_Linux> if ubuntu recognizes the 3c940 on my p4 box I'll be very happy
[08:00] <qlo-xael> i mean is it easy
[08:00] <snowblink> qlo-xael: are you building or using apt?
[08:00] <mpq> ubuntu was the first one I successfully ran
[08:00] <da_bon_bon> why doesnt hoary update to OOo 1.1.4 ?
[08:00] <myzt1qu3> hello????
[08:01] <mpq> I tried using knoppix but I didn't know how to burn an image
[08:01] <da_bon_bon> myzt1qu3: what help ?
[08:01] <myzt1qu3> i cannot even startx
[08:01] <qlo-xael> i just compiled 2.6.10 for slackware not too long ago and it seemed to work fine, only my man pages broke
[08:01] <qlo-xael> now i'm considering compiling in ubuntu, just curious how reliable
[08:01] <qlo-xael> maybe i shoudl try aptget or dselect?
[08:02] <OC_Linux> I was not able to comlplete the gentoo install and I had the mandrake boot problem on this ibook...
[08:02] <stuNNed> is gamin fubared when it comes to NFS?
[08:02] <snowblink> qlo-xael: thought you may be refering to the latest security updated kernel
[08:02] <OC_Linux> so I tried Gnoppix live and that worked great, found out it was based on Ubuntu, so that was my next stop
[08:03] <OC_Linux> and it installed like melted butter on toast
[08:03] <OC_Linux> synaptic is incredible...
[08:04] <ficusplanet> OC_Linux: Yeah, it is much improved in hoary, too.
[08:05] <OC_Linux> I'm still apprehensive about upgrading to hoary...
[08:05] <zenrox> not me
[08:05] <crimsun_> if you dist-upgrade to hoary _right now_, it's safe
[08:05] <zenrox> yep
[08:05] <ficusplanet> Eh, the preview release release is march 9th.  If you're apprehensive, just wait till then.
[08:05] <crimsun_> the inotify and abi breakage was reverted, so you're safe
[08:06] <OC_Linux> I'm still looking for something like "Ghost" for linux that save partitions
[08:07] <Jeremy_D> can someone help me with installing a theme
[08:07] <OC_Linux> before I upgrade
[08:07] <Jeremy_D> i am wanting this theme http://art.gnome.org/themes/gtk2/712/
[08:08] <da_bon_bon> anyone here using openoffice.org2 ?
[08:08] <randabis> okay I've got root back...now to fix sudo
[08:09] <DeepSpaceAnt> 1/2 the time when im away from my comp and i come back, i come back to see that my comp is frozen, what logs do i see to find out whats causing the freezing?
[08:09] <snowblink> Jeremy_D: http://art.gnome.org/faq.php
[08:09] <snowblink> DeepSpaceAnt: maybe check your logs
[08:09] <da_bon_bon> DeepSpaceAnt: maybe the screensaver
[08:09] <snowblink> DeepSpaceAnt: /var/log/*
[08:09] <OC_Linux> J its easy: open the theme app from the desktop menu
[08:10] <arbeck> I just did an apt-get of gnome-devel, and I want to run glade.  gnome-devel installs glade-gnome-2, do i need to apt-get glade as well?  If not what is the command to run it, since it didn't create a menu item
[08:10] <OC_Linux> then you can grag the file link from the browser to the listed thems themes
[08:10] <qlo-xael> what X configuration file does ubuntu use?
[08:10] <Jeremy_D> thank you ill try
[08:10] <Jeremy_D> thanks a lot
[08:10] <snowblink> qlo-xael: xorg or xfree?
[08:10] <OC_Linux> damn cool
[08:10] <qlo-xael> which is default?
[08:10] <snowblink> qlo-xael: are you on warty or hoary?
[08:11] <qlo-xael> warty
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> qlo-xael: /etc/X11/XF86config-4
[08:11] <snowblink> qlo-xael: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[08:12] <_LC_> Can anyone help me with an installation problem? Have installed & re-installed quite a few times - whenever I reboot, the machine hangs on the "GRUB loading, please wait..." msg?
[08:12] <qlo-xael> thanks
[08:13] <OC_Linux> D hmm actually it did not work... I got too excited..
[08:13] <arbeck> never mind, it's glade-2
[08:14] <randabis> alright, everything is gravy now
[08:14] <crimsun_> DeepSpaceAnt: are you running Hoary?
[08:14] <DeepSpaceAnt> heydude, 1/2 the time when im away from my comp and i come back, i come back to see that my comp is frozen, what logs do i see to find outyes
[08:14] <DeepSpaceAnt> ye
[08:14] <DeepSpaceAnt> syes
[08:14] <DeepSpaceAnt> crc, opps yes lol
[08:14] <crimsun_> DeepSpaceAnt: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}'
[08:15] <DeepSpaceAnt> crimsun, 2.6.10-19
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> DeepSpaceAnt: latest, huh :)
[08:15] <DeepSpaceAnt> da_bon_bon, :)
[08:16] <crimsun_> DeepSpaceAnt: are you actually _running_ -19, though, or have you not rebooted since you last updated && upgraded?
[08:16] <DeepSpaceAnt> da_bon_bon, my hardware is barely supported, the newer the software the better its supported :)
[08:16] <GregoryD> where are the iptables rules stored in ubuntu?
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> crimsun_: mustnt it be && dist-upgraded ?
[08:16] <arbeck> has anyone here installed eclipse?
[08:16] <crimsun_> DeepSpaceAnt: frequent lockups (hard hangs) are a symptom of -17
[08:16] <DeepSpaceAnt> crimsun, i just rebooted, remember i crash like every time i go get something  lol
[08:17] <GregoryD> what's there to install with eclipse?  download, unzip, and go
[08:17] <arbeck> GregoryD: this is true... I was just wondering what is a logical place to put it besides my home directory
[08:17] <crimsun_> GregoryD: depends on the tool you use. If you use vanilla iptables, in /var/lib/iptables/
[08:17] <da_bon_bon> can hoary's grub use splash images ?
[08:18] <crimsun_> GregoryD: that presumes that you've read the instructions and have saved "inactive" and "active" rulesets
[08:18] <DeepSpaceAnt> da_bon_bon, Usplash was delayed to post-hoary i think
[08:18] <da_bon_bon> DeepSpaceAnt: usplash is different
[08:18] <crimsun_> DeepSpaceAnt: check /var/log/syslog* for kernel oops/panic messages
[08:18] <DeepSpaceAnt> da_bon_bon, i know:)
[08:19] <snowblink> arbeck: /opt ?
[08:19] <da_bon_bon> DeepSpaceAnt: btw, what is usplash ?
[08:19] <GregoryD> crimsun: I just know that I apparently have rules, because I can do an iptables -L and get em, but I haven't found the actual file that contains them
[08:19] <myzt1qu3> hello
[08:19] <da_bon_bon> myzt1qu3: what happened ?
[08:19] <arbeck> snowblink: sounds good... i don't actually have anything in there yet
[08:19] <crimsun_> GregoryD: those are stored in memory.
[08:20] <snowblink> arbeck: man hier
[08:20] <crimsun_> GregoryD: are you using vanilla iptables or another tool like firestarter, shorewall, etc.?
[08:20] <GregoryD> they're automatically generated?
[08:20] <DeepSpaceAnt> crimsun_, nop, nothing about a panic
[08:20] <GregoryD> vanilla iptables... haven't touched anything yert
[08:20] <DeepSpaceAnt> :(
[08:20] <crimsun_> GregoryD: /var/lib/iptables/  then
[08:21] <da_bon_bon> brb. need to reboot after an update.
[08:21] <GregoryD> all I really want to do is open port 113 for identd when I connect to irc servers that need it
[08:21] <crimsun_> DeepSpaceAnt: what is happening immediately preceding the hard lockup?
[08:21] <crimsun_> GregoryD: by default Ubuntu doesn't configure any iptables rulesets
[08:21] <DeepSpaceAnt> screensaver i suppose, since thats the last thing on the screen
[08:23] <crimsun_> DeepSpaceAnt: are you using binary-only graphics drivers?
[08:23] <DeepSpaceAnt> crimsun_, yup, ati 9700 pro fglrx
[08:23] <DeepSpaceAnt> crimsun_, damn, them:(
[08:24] <crimsun_> DeepSpaceAnt: try disabling the screensaver via System>Preferences>Screensaver>Display Modes>Mode>Disable Screen Saver
[08:25] <DeepSpaceAnt> k
[08:25] <crimsun_> (err, he didn't need to quit for that setting adjustment)
[08:26] <myzt1qu3> haha
[08:26] <myzt1qu3> he'll be back for sure
[08:26] <myzt1qu3> or maybe he was booted to another OS
[08:26] <myzt1qu3> :)
[08:27] <raph_> salut
[08:27] <da_bon_bon> anyone on hoary experiences this -  on right click to panel and "Add to Panel" it crashes ?
[08:27] <hikaru79> I'm on hoary, da_bon_bon and it didn't happen to me
[08:28] <hikaru79> I just tried it
[08:28] <raph_> ich bin franzsich
[08:28] <hikaru79> Quick question, everyone
[08:28] <da_bon_bon> hikaru79: latest updates ?
[08:28] <raph_> i am french
[08:28] <hikaru79> If I use the NVidia binary drivers, and I installed them succesfully, and afterwards I updated my kernel completely (from 386 to 686), do I need to reinstall the binary drivers or is it smart enough to still work despite the new linux-686?
[08:28] <hikaru79> da_bon_bon, of course +)
[08:29] <hikaru79> *=)
[08:29] <da_bon_bon> raph_: #ubuntu-fr
[08:29] <myzt1qu3> how do i configure xfree86 for my graphics card(nvidia geforce fx 5200)????
[08:30] <raph_> thank tou
[08:30] <crimsun_> hikaru79: presuming you used a Ubuntu-compiled kernel, you need to install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[08:30] <crimsun_> myzt1qu3: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:30] <da_bon_bon> anyone know why "Add to Panel" on hoary crashes ?
[08:31] <da_bon_bon> i filed a bug report and will put some debug stuff there.
[08:31] <da_bon_bon> any suggestion meanwhile, coz it seems it happens only to me.
[08:31] <chado> ok why does /var/log/messages show this
[08:31] <chado> localhost -- MARK --
[08:31] <hikaru79> crimsun, asuming I upgraded the restricted-modules too
[08:32] <hikaru79> I've got everything related to the kernel upgrade
[08:32] <hikaru79> *d
[08:32] <hikaru79> But do I need to reinstall the actual 'glx' package?
[08:32] <crimsun_> chado: because nothing was added to it
[08:32] <crimsun_> chado: it's normal.
[08:32] <mpq> erg
[08:32] <chado> why spam that though?
[08:32] <mpq> the screen lock password screen is ugly in hoary
[08:33] <crimsun_> hikaru79: no need to reinstall 'nvidia-glx'
[08:33] <hikaru79> crimsun, OK, thank you =)
[08:33] <da_bon_bon> mpq: its ur user password
[08:33] <chado> anyone know where i can uncomment a line that excludes that?
[08:33] <mpq> I know
[08:33] <crimsun_> chado: it's not spam. It's an indicator that syslog is functioning normally but nothing was filtered into that log file.
[08:33] <mpq> I just said that it looks ugly compared to warty
[08:33] <hikaru79> Well, good night, #ubuntu
[08:33] <hikaru79> See you all in the mornin' =)
[08:34] <da_bon_bon> mpq: oh ugly..
[08:34] <chado> crimsun_ my question is, how can i change that output
[08:35] <chado> i have scripts to read messages, and i dont need to see that spam at the last lines
[08:36] <snowblink> chado: you could always script to ignore that line...
[08:36] <crimsun_> chado: the smart method is as snowblink suggested.
[08:36] <da_bon_bon> how do i confirm whether udev is running on hoary ?
[08:37] <chado> why does that aritrary line have to be logged
[08:37] <chado> arbitrary rather
[08:37] <snowblink> chado: so you know it's running
[08:37] <crimsun_> chado: but if you insist, read the syslog.conf (or syslog-ng.conf) man page for filtering options
[08:37] <crimsun_> chado: it is not arbitrary, as I've stated twice now. :)
[08:37] <chado> thanks
[08:37] <kakalto> holey cow
[08:37] <kakalto> I didn't realise how different sound is on windows, from linux
[08:37] <snowblink> kakalto: apt-get moo
[08:37] <chado> as a second question, does debian do that as well by default?
[08:37] <kakalto> it's so crap!
[08:37] <kakalto> snowblink :D
[08:38] <crimsun_> chado: afair, yes.
[08:38] <kakalto> this music is so clear!!
[08:38] <zenrox> yep
[08:38] <da_bon_bon> can some go here and help me ? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167478 i filed the report
[08:38] <chado> thanks guys
[08:39] <OmniColos> heh "Expected Results:
[08:39] <OmniColos> Must'nt Crash"
[08:40] <OmniColos> nite nite all
[08:40] <da_bon_bon> where is the universal xine config, not the user-specific one
[08:40] <da_bon_bon> OmniColos: :)
[08:41] <OmniColos> thanks again, for the help :D
[08:42] <Xirdneh> hi there, can anyone tell me how i can fix the problem when kernel cant assign an IRQ to a specific device (wireless card)
[08:45] <crimsun_> Xirdneh: if it's a laptop, my suggestion is to look on the wiki/forum
[08:45] <crimsun_> there are quite a few quirks listed by manufacturer & model
[08:45] <pocket> ?
[08:46] <tezza> crimsun, that MARK in /var/log/messages - i can't find anything in man syslog.conf or /etc/syslog.conf about taking that out?
[08:46] <crimsun_> tezza: (you're not supposed to remove it. It's a _good_ thing.)
[08:47] <crimsun_> tezza: (e.g., a "heartbeat")
[08:47] <tezza> fair enough ;oP not much to log on this system anyway - just a lot of mark's ;oP
[08:50] <kakalto> does anyone know what the visualboy advance package is called under hoary?
[08:53] <bosewicht> ok, anyone here know anything about httpd.conf?
[08:54] <HcE> httpd.conf, you're running apache 1.x ?
[08:55] <bosewicht> this is prob #15 asking this question here nobody answers..i've searched everywhere and haven't found an answer..... my /username/public_html will not work
[08:55] <bosewicht> yeah apache 1.x
[08:55] <bosewicht> i've tried everything..but for some reason it won't allow me to serve pages from that dir
[08:56] <HcE> bosewicht: what char do you use as public_html module thingy
[08:57] <HcE> ~ is the default
[08:57] <HcE> ie: /~<username>
[08:57] <bosewicht> yeah, the user is web  so it would be /home/web/public_html then for the addie it's messak.net/~web
[08:57] <HcE> bosewicht: and are your /home/<username> and /home/<username>/public_html chmod a+x ?
[08:58] <HcE> if not, apache can't get into your dir
[08:59] <HcE> bosewicht: and you have enabled the UserDir?
[09:01] <bosewicht> yeah, i enabled it...i also tried changing my root dir to public_html...but i kept getting a error..i had it working before but i switched my server over to ubuntu and didn't save my old httpd.conf
[09:03] <HcE> what does the server say in error.log?
[09:14] <calamari> glade2 = a+
[09:25] <rvirani> how do I install monodevelop on ubuntu?
[09:26] <mpq> I'm not getting any sound in flash files
[09:27] <mpq> how do I remove the old version of firefox from my computer?
[09:29] <MorphDK> hey.. how do I install KDE in hoary? i added the universe repository in synaptic, but it tells me that most of the packages will not be installed :(
[09:30] <randabis> try kde-core first
[09:30] <randabis> sudo apt-get install kde-core
[09:30] <Tsjoklat> MorphDK, you should check out the wiki for kubuntu
[09:31] <MorphDK> randabis, i can't..
[09:32] <MorphDK> arts, kdebase and kdelibs depends, but will not be installed..
[09:33] <MorphDK> randabis, you there?
[09:34] <MorphDK> :'(
[09:35] <MorphDK> dang.. thx for helping
[09:43] <ryan_> is there an uptime script thing in x-chat ?
[09:47] <tweek> hello :)
[09:48] <tweek> i get this error when trying to install KDE,
[09:48] <tweek>  Depends: kde-amusements but it is not going to be installed
[09:48] <tweek>  Depends: kdeaddons but it is not going to be installed
[09:48] <tweek>  Depends: kdemultimedia but it is not going to be installed
[10:02] <MorphDK> need help with the installation of KDE on Hoary.. :(
[10:05] <MorphDK> anybody?
[10:05] <MorphDK> i added the hoary KDE repository to synaptic, but it is still missing a lot of dependencies
[10:07] <Mr_Smiley> sorry i'm a gnome person
[10:08] <randabis-laptop> KDE repository?
[10:08] <zenrox> me too
[10:08] <sid77> hi
[10:08] <Mr_Smiley> well you'd think most ubuntu users would be gnome users :)
[10:08] <randabis-laptop> you ARE doing apt-get update after changing sources.list correct?
[10:09] <randabis-laptop> xfce user here, though I dabble with gnome sometimes
[10:09] <Mr_Smiley> yeah well xfce is sorta gnome :P
[10:10] <Mr_Smiley> but not really
[10:10] <MorphDK> yes
[10:10] <sid77> I've just upgraded warty kernel, but there is no sign of linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-5... are they on the way?
[10:10] <randabis-laptop> I like more speed, less bloat
[10:10] <Mr_Smiley> haha yeah
[10:10] <MorphDK> randabis-laptop, yes i do
[10:10] <Mr_Smiley> my computer can handle gnome fine enough though
[10:10] <MorphDK> randabis-laptop, and it IS able to find some kde packages now, but still not enough
[10:11] <reed_> how do I install a theme?
[10:11] <reed_> I downloaded the gtk2 theme milk 2.1
[10:12] <randabis-laptop> MorphDK, post your /etc/apt/sources.list at pastebin.com
[10:12] <reed_> the index.theme file says not a valid theme format
[10:12] <randabis-laptop> and link me
[10:12] <randabis-laptop> reed_, use gnome-theme-manager
[10:13] <reed_> is it not the same as Preferences-->Themes?
[10:13] <MorphDK> randabis-laptop, there you go!
[10:13] <randabis-laptop> link
[10:13] <MorphDK> http://pastebin.com/242437
[10:14] <reed_> it is, and that's what I have been using
[10:14] <randabis-laptop> I already know what's wrong
[10:14] <reed_> it says file format not valid when i try to install milk
[10:14] <randabis-laptop> ALL of your sources are commented
[10:14] <MorphDK> randabis-laptop, nice.. what?
[10:14] <randabis-laptop> uncomment all of the deb deb-src lines
[10:15] <randabis-laptop> you do that by removing the # from them
[10:15] <randabis-laptop> then save, run apt-get update
[10:15] <MorphDK> oh.. my bad
[10:16] <MorphDK> damn.. there are still unmet dependencies
[10:17] <randabis-laptop> you ran apt-get update?
[10:17] <MorphDK> yep
[10:17] <MorphDK> and it succeded..
[10:17] <randabis-laptop> paste the new sources.list
[10:17] <randabis-laptop> at pastebin
[10:17] <MorphDK> oh.. hang on..
[10:17] <MorphDK> i missed a line
[10:18] <randabis-laptop> make sure all of them are uncommented
[10:19] <MorphDK> yep.. i forgot the lines in the middle of the file.. now it works :)
[10:19] <reed_> so what kind of theme does gnome-theme-manager need?
[10:20] <MorphDK> installing.. thank you randabis-laptop
[10:20] <randabis-laptop> there ya go
[10:20] <randabis-laptop> not a problem
[10:20] <reed_> i can't get this downloaded Milk2.1 to work
[10:20] <reed_> does it use gtk2 themes?
[10:20] <randabis-laptop> yes it uses gtk2 themes
[10:20] <reed_> or metacity files?
[10:21] <reed_> which file do i need to install to get it to work?
[10:21] <randabis-laptop> you could try the install theme thing on the compressed tarball of the theme if you still have it
[10:21] <reed_> i've tried installing the index.theme file, the gtk-2 folder, other files, none of them worked
[10:21] <reed_> oh
[10:22] <randabis-laptop> another way to is put the theme folder into .themes
[10:22] <randabis-laptop> a hidden folder
[10:23] <reed_> cool that worked
[10:23] <reed_> thanks a lot!
[10:23] <randabis-laptop> np
[10:27] <membreya> hey all
[10:28] <Okys> hey
[10:30] <randabis-laptop> hello
[10:36] <AndyFitz> got my first ubuntu kernel panic today
[10:37] <AndyFitz> aiee
[10:37] <randabis-laptop> ouch
[10:39] <daleboRt> Running warty, firefox won't print to my printers. Only to the postscript printer. Openoffice recognises it, though.
[10:41] <scizzo> y0
[10:50] <aleitner> anybody else sees weird behavior with quoted text when replying to a message in evolution (hoary)?
[10:50] <daleboRt> Running warty, firefox won't print to my printers. Only to the postscript printer. Openoffice recognises it, though. Any ideas?
[10:50] <scizzo> aleitner: yes
[10:51] <scizzo> aleitner: you mean that the editing is weird? inline and stuff like that?
[10:51] <spiral> hi
[10:51] <aleitner> scizzo: yes, the quotation marks ('>') seem to magically stick. you cannot move them by inserting a blank line
[10:52] <aleitner> scizzo: has a bug report been filed already? do you know the reference number, or even a workaround?
[10:54] <scizzo> aleitner: I haven't actually had time to look for a bug about that
[10:55] <scizzo> :(
[10:55] <aleitner> i see
[10:55] <aleitner> have you found a workaround?
[10:58] <|QuaD|> anyone here running kubuntu (ie ubuntu with kde)
[10:59] <linuxboy> I read a review on hoary, and there was talk of an Ubuntu Update Manager. Is there one of those in warty?
[10:59] <|QuaD|> linuxboy: can i reccomend upgrading to hoary?
[11:00] <linuxboy> |QuaD|: I will. Im just waiting till its official. It is easy to upgrade from warty to hoary?
[11:00] <|QuaD|> linuxboy: yeah
[11:00] <|QuaD|> hoary is pretty stable now
[11:01] <linuxboy> |QuaD|: when hoary comes out, and i get the cd. How do I upgrade?
[11:01] <daleboRt> Anyone help me out with the command to start a print job in ubuntu?
[11:01] <|QuaD|> linuxboy: you don't need the cd
[11:01] <|QuaD|> can do it through the net :)
[11:01] <linuxboy> |QuaD|: i know. But I want to do it from the official cd. My net connection is slow.
[11:02] <|QuaD|> linuxboy: hmm, i amnot really to surehow you would go about doing that... i only know the net way :)
[11:02] <daleboRt> linuxboy, you'd add the cd as an apt repository, change your apt config to hoary, and do a dist-upgrade
[11:03] <aleitner> ok, gotta go. thanks scizzo
[11:03] <linuxboy> |QuaD|: how do you do it through the net?
[11:03] <|QuaD|> linuxboy: do you use synaptic or apt-get?
[11:04] <linuxboy> |QuaD|: both. How did you do it? like daleboRt described?
[11:04] <|QuaD|> linux... i modify my /etc/apt/sources.list (or something like that) file, change warty to hoary
[11:05] <daleboRt> Anyone help me out with the command to start a print job in ubuntu? using cups?
[11:05] <linuxboy> |QuaD|: then apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:06] <|QuaD|> linuxboy: apt-get update
[11:06] <|QuaD|> then i do an apt-get upgrade
[11:07] <|QuaD|> though there are people for and against both
[11:07] <linuxboy> |QuaD|: and nothing broke?
[11:07] <daleboRt> linuxboy, the beauty of apt
[11:07] <|QuaD|> i have been running hoary for a while now (since like end of oct)
[11:07] <|QuaD|> but nothing has broke
[11:07] <|QuaD|> i don't think anything will break
[11:08] <linuxboy> i got some non-ubuntu packages (custom packages) will then be affected?
[11:08] <|QuaD|> linuxboy: hard to tell
[11:08] <linuxboy> :) Well come april... ill find out :)
[11:09] <|QuaD|> linuxboy: alright....
[11:09] <daleboRt> anyone tell me how to print a ps or pdf file on the coommand line?
[11:09] <daleboRt> or any way?
[11:09] <daleboRt> using cups?
[11:10] <daleboRt> cupsdoprint -P hpoffice
[11:10] <daleboRt> er..ahem
[11:25] <mpq> how do I play dvds?
[11:25] <tweek> put it in the cd tray
[11:26] <mpq> what program?
[11:26] <tweek> totem
[11:26] <tweek> is nice
[11:27] <mpq> Totem could not play 'dvd://'. Failed to find any supported stream in file "dvd://"
[11:27] <tweek> codecs are cool
[11:27] <mpq> it's a dvd... what kind of codec do I need?
[11:27] <tweek> sudo apt-get install xine
[11:27] <tweek> it comes with soem codecs
[11:33] <binks> anyone seen this error using sox
[11:33] <binks> sox: error while loading shared libraries: libmp3lame.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:34] <binks> i have lame installed
[11:34] <binks> sorry morning everyone how rude i am
[11:35] <linuxboy> binks: its afternoon :)
[11:35] <binks> not here it aint and v cold too
[11:35] <linuxboy> binks: here... hot :)
[11:35] <binks> just had to dice car for the wife
[11:35] <binks> lol ;)
[11:38] <larsrohdin> why are somethings "held back" when i run apt-get upgrade?
[11:39] <Pluk> cuz they have errors
[11:40] <larsrohdin> Pluk, so its, nothing i need to upgrade?
[11:40] <Pluk> nope
[11:40] <larsrohdin> Pluk, key thanks!
[11:40] <Pluk> thay will get fixed > new version > and next upgrade they will be upgraded too
[11:41] <Pluk> prolly only takes a day
[11:41] <larsrohdin> ok, in hoary you mean?
[11:41] <Pluk> hoary could take a little longer i think
[11:41] <Pluk> _could_
[11:42] <larsrohdin> no, i upgraded to hoary another day in about 40 mins... but it didn't work any good for me so im back in warty and waiting for the stable release
[11:43] <fsc> yeah, i noticed that xorg got held back in my upgrade to hoary...which is good from my perspective because i wasn't ready to take the plunge
[11:44] <larsrohdin> fsc, i want xorg bad! because im using ati-gfx card... cant get my tv-out woorking
[11:44] <fsc> i don't care about tv-out, but i have an ATI card too and i heard there were problems with ATI drivers
[11:44] <linuxboy> i thought a package held back during a upgrade is because theres a dependency that it needs. Thats why if you dist-upgrade it works
[11:44] <mjr> fsc, what ati card?
[11:45] <mjr> up to 9250 there are free drivers, less problems
[11:45] <fsc> mjr: 9600 mobile
[11:45] <mjr> righto
[11:45] <larsrohdin> fsc, yeah ati is a bit weird... im just waiting for my fortune to grow and thne im getting me a 6800 gt=)
[11:45] <fsc> this is a laptop and not an alienware so i have no choice in the matter
[11:46] <larsrohdin> fsc, aawww... too bad
[11:46] <Pluk> the xorg-ati driver is pretty good though, it even has clock throttling
[11:46] <fsc> not really.. i don't game in linux anyway and i'll just use xfree until things get better
[11:46] <Pluk> if you can live without 3d
[11:46] <fsc> yeah, that's a possiblity
[11:46] <binks> can anyone shed some light on netpbm make fail
[11:47] <binks> ../sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S:98: undefined reference to `main'
[11:47] <binks> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[11:47] <binks> make[2] : *** [thinkjettopbm]  Error 1
[11:47] <binks> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/binks/netpbm-10.26/converter/pbm'
[11:47] <binks> make[1] : *** [pbm/all]  Error 2
[11:47] <binks> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/binks/netpbm-10.26/converter'
[11:47] <binks> make: *** [converter/all]  Error 2
[11:47] <larsrohdin> Pluk, yeah thats what ive heard to... so before i can afford a nvidia-card, im waiting for hoary and xorg
[11:47] <fsc> it's a linker error
[11:47] <binks> how do i fix it i v new to linux
[11:47] <fsc> binks, sounds like there is no main function
[11:48] <Pluk> i first had an ati 9800
[11:48] <binks> is that a prob with the netpbm d/l
[11:48] <binks> or my system
[11:48] <fsc> binks, no idea
[11:48] <binks> :)
[11:48] <Pluk> after 6 months went back to the store and asked if they would want o trad eit for an nvidia 5900xt
[11:48] <Pluk> i even got ?35 back
[11:49] <Pluk> i know the ati is better... in windows
[11:49] <Pluk> but i dont even have windows on that comp :)
[11:49] <Pluk> got also a 9600mobile in this laptop here
[11:50] <fsc> I play farcry in my windows partition with the 9600 mobile and it works great. what a beautiful game
[11:50] <binks> silly me netpbm already installed
[11:51] <binks> i am sooooooo stupid
[11:51] <Pluk> it even plays HL2 and doom3 ate decent speeds/qual
[11:51] <Pluk> at*
[11:51] <fsc> i deleted doom3
[11:52] <fsc> too freaking dark
[11:52] <larsrohdin> fsc, me too=) sucked=)
[11:52] <Pluk> scared the * out of me
[11:52] <Pluk> then againg im prolly a sissy
[11:52] <pepsi> ;)
[11:52] <fsc> farcry absolutely rocks with its vast, lush outdoor scenes
[11:53] <fsc> and vehicles
[11:53] <larsrohdin> Pluk, naaa... doom3 is scary, hell im scared of doom2=)
[11:53] <Pluk> hehe yeah
[11:53] <Pluk> i was hooked to doom2
[11:53] <binks> u need to play enemy-territory online its mint
[11:53] <Pluk> i played urban terror for ages
[11:53] <Moonglory> Hi guys
[11:53] <Moonglory> I really need help
[11:53] <Pluk> but now im more into mmorpg
[11:54] <larsrohdin> yeah, but i wasn't that old when i played doom2 so that scared the * out fo me=)
[11:54] <fsc> so how come ATI's drivers don't work with xorg?
[11:54] <Pluk> waiting for guildwars
[11:54] <larsrohdin> Moonglory, what can we do for you
[11:54] <fsc> is xorg any faster than xfree? is the only thing you get out of xorg transparency?
[11:55] <larsrohdin> does any of you run fluxbox?
[11:55] <fsc> larsrohdin, i have in the past
[11:55] <fsc> larsrohdin, on an old thinkpad 166
[11:55] <Tsjoklat> fsc, it does dishes too on a good day
[11:55] <larsrohdin> is there anyway to change the direction of the desktop wheeling?
[11:56] <larsrohdin> it feels so wrong
[11:56] <fsc> no idea
[11:56] <fsc> been a while
[11:56] <larsrohdin> fsc, darn=) ok ill have to keep looking
[11:56] <larsrohdin> not that is all that important, but you want to get the perfect feeling...
[11:57] <Pluk> hmm desktop wheeling in xfce4 is the wrong way too
[11:59] <larsrohdin> yeah, but im sure ive seen like a patch or something that can change it... but i don't know where
[12:00] <Nermal> is vmware in multiverse or universe ?
[12:00] <Nermal> I know you need a regkey
[12:00] <pepsi> you need to download it
[12:00] <pepsi> and run the setup program
[12:00] <Nermal> ah.. ook
[12:01] <Nermal> sorry.. coming from gentoo where it's in portage.. stricter licence rules for ubuntu it would seem
[12:01] <mjr> fsc, there are incremental improvements; eg. better 3d support for my 9250 ;)
[12:01] <pepsi> its pretty painless.. though you should follow the faq on the wiki for making it work after reboots without running vmware-config.pl again
[12:03] <pepsi> Nermal, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/VMware
[12:03] <Nermal> thankyou :)
[12:04] <sleeper> hay algun espaol por aqui?
[12:04] <sleeper> necesito ayuda con el abuntu por favor
[12:04] <binks> is cjpeg-mmx same as jpeg-mmx
[12:04] <sleeper> someone speak spanis?
[12:04] <P3L|C4N0> sleeper, #ubuntu-es
[12:05] <sleeper> thx
[12:05] <binks> just im trying to install mjpeg-tools
[12:06] <SCB> if u got a 50 mb /boot partition within the 1024 limit everything should work out fine?
[12:09] <sleeper> hola
[12:09] <bagan_jermal> does anyone know where could i found more information on ubuntu, where it compare with other distribution of linux?
[12:09] <sleeper>  necestito algo de ayuda porfavor
[12:11] <P3L|C4N0> sleeper, cual es tu problema?
[12:11] <fsc> ingles
[12:11] <romaia> bagan_jermal: try distrowatch.com/
[12:13] <Knuti> Just installed Linux,   im a noob.    Hotplug dont work. X dont work. And i cant get in online
[12:14] <Knuti> heeeeeeeeeelp meeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[12:14] <Knuti> sniffle
[12:14] <fsc> Knuti, what graphics card do you have?
[12:15] <Knuti> aeolus 6800,  nivida based gpu
[12:15] <Knuti> im stuck on the dos-like window
[12:16] <fsc> well, you better work on networking first
[12:16] <fsc> so at least you can get online
[12:17] <fsc> Knuti, are you using wireless?
[12:20] <Knuti2> My inet craSHED
[12:20] <Knuti2> as  i said,  i have aeolus 6800, nvidia based gpu
[12:22] <bagan_jermal> romaia: thanks.
[12:23] <Knuti2> i need help :(
[12:27] <cef> amazing.. I got 186kB/sec out of the ubuntu archive from AU.. *grin*
[12:28] <cef> make that 388kB/sec
[12:29] <HiddenWolf> cef: stop it, you are making me jealous
[12:29] <cef> HiddenWolf: I'm just on cable.. I've NEVER gotten over 40kB/sec off archive.ubuntu
[12:30] <lkjasdf> hello! I (and others as I noticed in ubuntulinux.org...) having problems installing on NewWorld Blue G3 Mac...Anyone knows the answer? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7452.html   Thanks!
[12:30] <cef> but I'm guessing it just means my cable provider has finally fixed the upstream bottleneck to the US/UK
[12:30] <HiddenWolf> cef: I could get 10mbit/10mbt here, but that'd cost 20 euro's more, so now I'm stuck on 512/256 :-)
[12:30] <Knuti2> Im stuck on 1024\512
[12:31] <cef> HiddenWolf: heh... how much is 512/256 itself? (for comparison)
[12:31] <Knuti2> someoen please help me..   Imma noob.  help the noobs :D :P
[12:32] <HiddenWolf> cef: 63kb / 30kb
[12:32] <cef> HiddenWolf: i mean euros *grin*
[12:32] <HiddenWolf> cef: 30. for 50, i get 20 times that speed. :-)
[12:33] <cef> HiddenWolf: damn that's a nice improvement for the cost
[12:33] <bonee> ne screenshots
[12:34] <HiddenWolf> cef: Yup, but unfortunatly, a bit out of budget.
[12:34] <muscibot> hi every1
[12:34] <muscibot> could any1 tell me how to stream video off the internet
[12:34] <muscibot> and save it onto r comp
[12:35] <cef> HiddenWolf: heh. that 512/256 is about what we pay here for 256/64
[12:35] <muscibot> Any1??
[12:36] <HiddenWolf> cef: for Holland, what I pay is expensive
[12:36] <cef> HiddenWolf: and that 10mbit/10mbit you can get.. well it's about the cost of our cable.. which is about 10mbit/128k
[12:37] <HiddenWolf> cef: yeah, that one is a treat. I live in a converted office building, used to belong to an ISP. fibreglass in-building
[12:37] <bonee> what is the different between gnome and KDE
[12:37] <cef> HiddenWolf: yeah well.. here in AU, that's better than we get. we have mebbe 2-3 DSL providers that can do better than 1.5m/512k (about 8M/1.5M if you're close enough to the exchange)
[12:37] <Nermal> bonee, a lot :)
[12:38] <Nermal> one is QT based, one is GTK based
[12:38] <Nermal> best off going to kde.org and having a look around, and then going to gnome.org and looking around :)
[12:38] <Nermal> *avoids flamewar*
[12:38] <cef> and because of the base, the way the apps are written is somewhat different, and is in many ways reflected in the user interface
[12:38] <Nermal> is gnome C and kde C++ as well ?>
[12:39] <mjr> Nermal, at the core, yes
[12:39] <Nermal> all I know is that kde apps take a looong time to compile :|
[12:39] <mjr> tough both have bindings for other languages as well (gnome still a bit ahead on this, I think, though not as much as it used to)
[12:39] <muscibot> jeez...does no1 know how?:
[12:40] <mjr> (of course, there's the detail that Qt-using stuff isn't actually C++, but some C++Qt-stuff that needs to be preprocessed into real C++ ;)
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[12:41] <b_e_n_z> VDSL here is cheaper than ADSL!!!
[12:41] <b_e_n_z> VDSL = 10Mbps up and down
[12:42] <cef> b_e_n_z: unfortunately for AU, the population density isn't high enough to drop the price to a decent cost
[12:43] <b_e_n_z> ADSL 3Mbps = US$19... VDSL 10Mbps = US$17
[12:43] <bonee> where can i get those connection with those price
[12:44] <bonee> i live is Logn Beach CA
[12:44] <bonee> USA
[12:44] <b_e_n_z> i am not in the usa
[12:49] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione, are you here?
[12:49] <ik-G4> hai
[12:50] <Nermal> muscibot, asfrecorder
[12:50] <Nermal> and talk properly ffs
[12:50] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: yes, but i am very busy
[12:50] <Nermal> "ffs" <- only appreviated to avoid swearing :)
[12:50] <Nermal> s/pp/bb
[12:51] <Nermal> why didn't I create a seperate home partition *Sob*
[12:51] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione: okay, i won't bother you then other than saying that it was an error on my end with th einstaller... i managed to use the debian mini.iso, not the ubuntu one...
[12:51] <kalila> how can I find what is eating up my CPU? gnome's CPU applet shows 100% activity, the fan won't stop, and top doesnt show any processes eating up that much
[12:52] <fabbione> Thom_Holwerda: ok thanks for the info
[12:53] <Thom_Holwerda> fabbione: however, i filed this bugreport ( https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6606 ) since there is a problem with the installer not recognizing netw. hardware, colin watson told me to file it
[12:54] <Nermal> kalila, even if you sort by P in top ?
[12:54] <kalila> Nermal: yeah
[12:54] <Nermal> hum.. swapping ?
[12:54] <kalila> 0% used
[12:55] <Nermal> hum
[12:55] <kalila> X is most with 5%
[12:55] <Nermal> does ps ax show any with a lot of cpu time ?
[12:55] <Nermal> it's not throttling or something is it ?
[12:56] <kalila> Nermal: what do you mean?
[12:56] <Nermal> well.. from what you said it sounds like a laptop
[12:56] <Nermal> its not cpufreq stepping down the cpuspeed or acpi throttling the cpu is it ?
[12:57] <kalila> Nermal: i tried atop, and the bitch was rhythmbox
[12:57] <kalila> thanks :)
[12:59] <Nermal> ah :)
[12:59] <Nermal> wonder why top didn't show it
[01:08] <Coily> how can i add http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/ to my repositories?
[01:09] <Coily> or rather, why isnt it in sources.list?
[01:09] <tweek> #manaworld
[01:09] <tweek> oops
[01:09] <r3v3rb> love day 2morro :) yay
[01:09] <viper12> Just edit sources list and add it colly.  Ubuntu has set things up to be 'easier' for the 'lesser' user.....(not as much clutter.).  The more 'power-user' the more you'll know to add.
[01:10] <viper12> the basic noob doens't have a clue, or really have a 'need' for those sources.
[01:11] <viper12> an ubuntu 'philosophy' decision.
[01:11] <cef> is hoary reasonably unbroken at the moment?
[01:11] <Coily> gotcha just making sure there werent any "we don't want you installing these packages for your own sake" stuff
[01:12] <viper12> nods to colly.  It really does make sense though.  they want to get this distro to be as easy as xandros for the noob, but extensible as straight up deb as you progress.  I really like that.
[01:13] <viper12> as for hoary, I'm running array 4 on a compaq laptop and it seems pretty solid, but I'm not makin' it sweat either. ;)
[01:14] <viper12> I just wish azureas would optimize their bit client a bit more. p.o.s. sucks resources like an old whore still.
[01:16] <tgana> hello
[01:16] <viper12> hola
[01:16] <Nermal> hello :)
[01:17] <tga> I'm having some trouble getting my Orinoco card to work with Ubuntu.. I set the right WEP key with iwconfig but the router still won't talk to me
[01:18] <tga> should I be doing more than just `iwconfig eth1 key dead-beef-12`?
[01:18] <viper12> just a quick 'basic' techie reminder question.........did you set the eesid with the right case in the name? (hate to ask, but that was my problem with my wifi. lol
[01:19] <tga> I just did an "essid any" and iwconfig shows the link to the AP, signal strength and all that
[01:19] <tga> so I assume it's a WEP problem
[01:20] <viper12> yeah........if you're router is a specific sid...........then I'd make sure and set it just in case.  I had the same good 'contact' light deal until I set the sid.
[01:20] <viper12> "any" let me see that it was yackin'.........but until I told it the name...........da-nada.
[01:21] <tga> viper12: I tried setting a bogus essid, then "any" and it found the right one
[01:21] <r3v3rb> anyone know how to create a .deb for the repositories
[01:22] <viper12> Mine 'found' the right one as well tga...........it just wouldn't "do" anything else.
[01:22] <tga> interesting
[01:22] <viper12> once I set the name.........poof and gosh it all went like it was s'posed ta.
[01:22] <Tommy> does ubuntu has a decent partition program for when you want to install it but still need to make partitions?
[01:22] <CarlK> how do I figure out what window managers are avalible for hoary?
[01:23] <tga> Tomcat_: yes, but don't rely on it for any partition resizing
[01:23] <viper12> Of course I'm seeing that issue with the hoary live cd as well.  Its not asking for the eesid about 75% of the time for some reason.........shrugs.
[01:23] <tga> the installer asks once, then it's impossible to make it ask again
[01:23] <viper12> Carl, natively, its gnome, gnome gnome.  lol.  but you can apt any of em' and they work.
[01:24] <Tommy> argh, then i'll find some other prog to resize my current partition with
[01:24] <tga> that's step 2 after I get wifi to work, apt-get install openbox ion2
[01:24] <viper12> I used qparted tommy........worked like a charm.
[01:24] <tga> I used it too.. it did ok on my ntfs part but hosed my ext3
[01:24] <Tommy> viper12: but you already had a linux distro installed?
[01:25] <tga> Tommy: if you want a nice interface to it you can use qtparted from a livecd
[01:25] <tga> otherwise iirc the installer comes with the text version of it
[01:25] <CarlK> I pretty much want to run Firefox and XMMS, or some gui mp3 player - any recomendation for WM?
[01:25] <viper12> it hosed the ext3? wow.  mine rolled and even fixed a prob with the ntfs part.
[01:25] <tga> btw, does ubuntu come without mp3 support?
[01:26] <CarlK> hmm, good q...
[01:26] <tga> CarlK: openbox is nice and simple
[01:26] <viper12> carl...........gnome works just fine with those apps.
[01:26] <CarlK> viper12 - P1-233mhz box -
[01:26] <viper12> ouch
[01:26] <tga> as I said, openbox is nice and simple :)
[01:26] <viper12> nev mind. lmao
[01:26] <scizzo> tga: find the RestrictedFormats in the wiki and that will give you answers for that
[01:26] <Coily> is there a way to automatically install the dependencies of a package with dpkg?
[01:27] <scizzo> tga: you know there are different laws in different countrys...
[01:27] <scizzo> :)
[01:27] <tga> scizzo: yeah, I was sorta expecting it, just making sure
[01:27] <CarlK> and so far, i can't get anything but 640x480
[01:27] <Coily> anyone?
[01:27] <tga> first time I tried linux I couldn't get more than 320x200
[01:27] <viper12> kinda hard to answer that question without knowing specifics on hardware (video).
[01:28] <viper12> of course with a p1-233 box,.................yikes.
[01:29] <r3v3rb> anyone know how to create a .deb for the repositories
[01:29] <r3v3rb> i would like to create a deb for graveman 0.3.8
[01:30] <viper12> to put in ubuntu's repos?
[01:30] <r3v3rb> to let everyone share the joy of easy gtk/gnome cd burning of mp3 and ogg and dvd
[01:30] <r3v3rb> well to submit for inclusion
[01:30] <viper12> I hate to say this, but have you checked their website?  I believe there's a section for submitting and such there.
[01:31] <tga> here I go again, maybe this time I can get wifi to work
[01:31] <r3v3rb> but how do i create the deb to submit ?
[01:31] <flosch> hi
[01:31] <viper12> of course, DVD........ain't gonna happen f3.
[01:31] <ups> r3v3rb: there's a thread in the forum on that
[01:32] <r3v3rb> sweet thanks ups
[01:32] <viper12> too many sticky legal questions regarding dvd.
[01:33] <r3v3rb> not dvd video but dvd data disks
[01:33] <viper12> the words "mp3" and DVD in the same sentence give some licensers the shakes though. heh heh
[01:33] <r3v3rb> not everyone uses dvd-r for dodgy movies...
[01:34] <r3v3rb> some of us download our distro's that way too you know :)
[01:34] <Thom_Ubuntu> hehe
[01:34] <viper12> I hear you on that one.  My comment was regarding 'official' repositories.  universe/multi /etc. would prolly work.
[01:34] <r3v3rb> mp3 burning is not the same as mp3 encoding afaik
[01:34] <r3v3rb> true
[01:35] <viper12> tell that to the frickin' RIAA though.  -j/t
[01:35] <r3v3rb> it may not make it into official but i think it should be there
[01:35] <viper12> nods.
[01:35] <r3v3rb> so my mp3's i buy online i cannot burn to cd, yet the cd i buy i can record to tape to play in my wife's car !! RIAA go suck !
[01:36] <r3v3rb> :D
[01:36] <viper12> hey.......I can watch galactica for free (well paid cable), but if I d/l the same ep on net.............i'm ebil.
[01:36] <viper12> lmao
[01:37] <viper12> Our legal types as well as the entertainment industry are still about 10-15 years behind the curve....as usual.
[01:38] <viper12> Of course those very same arguments swirl around licensing and lawsuits in the unix world as well.
[01:38] <muscibot> hi room again
[01:38] <viper12> hola
[01:38] <muscibot> where can i get asfrecorder for ubuntu
[01:38] <r3v3rb> arggghhh, what we all need is an OS that locks us out from doing anything... we could call it 'Longhorn' !!
[01:39] <viper12> nobody gets ass free 'round here.  (sorry...couldn't resist.
[01:39] <viper12> :D
[01:39] <thechitowncubs> Hellow
[01:39] <thechitowncubs> I am having trouble installing ubuntu hoary
[01:39] <viper12> combine longhorn with the fritz chip and that stupid TC initiative and that's about the size of it r3
[01:40] <viper12> hola chito
[01:40] <thechitowncubs> I was not expecting to be greeted by a command prompt instead of a GUI
[01:40] <thechitowncubs> what do I need to do
[01:40] <viper12> startx.
[01:40] <viper12> heh heh
[01:40] <thechitowncubs> do i need to apt-get anything?
[01:41] <Thom_Ubuntu> mmm it happened after rebooting?
[01:41] <thechitowncubs> how do I startx?
[01:41] <Thom_Ubuntu> i've had problems with hoary/x86 as well
[01:41] <viper12> actually, seriously........try that.  if it barfs
[01:41] <muscibot> is nermal here?
[01:41] <Nermal> thechitowncubs, startx perhaps ?
[01:41] <Thom_Ubuntu> it doesnt install a certain package and then it quits the installer
[01:41] <viper12> did you have install failures..................ahhh. read about that.
[01:41] <thechitowncubs> and how do you quit IRSSI?
[01:41] <Nermal> muscibot, ?
[01:41] <Nermal>  /quit ?
[01:41] <thechitowncubs> because i am stuck in it =/
[01:42] <Nermal> yay!
[01:42] <muscibot> hey man u said that i must use asfrecorder right
[01:42] <Nermal> well.. for asf and wmv streams
[01:42] <Nermal> mplayer can save quicktime to disk
[01:42] <muscibot> yeah...but i cant get it for linux tho\
[01:42] <Nermal> eh ?
[01:42] <Nermal> I didn't realise you could get it for anything else
[01:43] <viper12> um....is this recorder a win app?
[01:43] <thechitowncubs> It said the command was not found
[01:43] <Nermal> it might not be in ubuntu, but I'm coming from a gentoo background where it's in portage
[01:43] <muscibot> i think so
[01:43] <Nermal> no .. its not
[01:43] <Thom_Ubuntu> thechitowncubs, there is a problem with the hoary installer
[01:43] <thechitowncubs> what do you mena
[01:43] <Nermal> why the fsck would I recommend a windows app ?
[01:43] <muscibot> where can i get it
[01:43] <Nermal> give me some credit
[01:43] <cblack> lo folks
[01:43] <Thom_Ubuntu> did it say anything about not being able to install a certain paxckage?
[01:43] <r3v3rb> viper12, usted es espaol
[01:44] <thechitowncubs> I didn't try to install anything yet
[01:44] <muscibot> no...it said on the website that is was for win
[01:44] <remi_> bonjour a tous
[01:44] <Nermal> muscibot, http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=asfrecorder
[01:44] <muscibot> lol
[01:44] <Thom_Ubuntu> thechitowncubs, then X is not installed either, :)
[01:44] <muscibot> thnx
[01:44] <viper12> no habla r3
[01:44] <Nermal> yes, the link does work :P
[01:44] <remi_> je viens d'installer Ubuntu sur un iMac
[01:44] <thechitowncubs> what is that package name
[01:44] <remi_> mais il est un peu lourd
[01:45] <ezsquirt> remi_: tu peux rejoindre le canal #ubuntu-fr celui ci est en anglais
[01:45] <remi_> thinks
[01:45] <Nermal> thechitowncubs, did you do a minimal install or something ?
[01:45] <thechitowncubs> i just hit enter
[01:45] <thechitowncubs> so, i guess it was normal
[01:45] <muscibot> THAT LINK IS AWESOME!!!!
[01:45] <Nermal> urgh
[01:45] <Thom_Ubuntu> thechitowncubs, ha you have to install ubuntu itself-- you start from the CD, then it installs the base system, after that you need to reboot and it is suposed to install the remaining software, including the GUI
[01:45] <muscibot> HAHAHAHAHA
[01:45] <thechitowncubs> Oh, well I guess it didn't do that, it just restarted to a program called Aptitude.
[01:46] <Thom_Ubuntu> i know
[01:46] <thechitowncubs> And I had no idea what to install
[01:46] <Thom_Ubuntu> thats the problem i mentioned
[01:46] <viper12> hoary does have some issues with acpi on some boxes.........and if aptitude came up.........she's bonked.
[01:46] <Nermal> muscibot, it has it's uses ;)
[01:46] <Thom_Ubuntu> th einstaller failes
[01:46] <thechitowncubs> =(
[01:46] <remi_> I have installed Ubuntu on one iMac
[01:46] <muscibot> lol
[01:46] <thechitowncubs> my regular ubuntu worked
[01:46] <Thom_Ubuntu> i had it on this x86 box as well thechitowncubs
[01:46] <Skid> hi how do I enable gnome to automatically add programs that i install to the applications menu?
[01:46] <remi_> but it's not very speed
[01:46] <Thom_Ubuntu> Skid, it is supposed to do that already :)
[01:46] <thechitowncubs> Is it fixible?
[01:46] <Thom_Ubuntu> restart x for that
[01:46] <thechitowncubs> fixable
[01:46] <Nermal> Skid, it should do I think.. maybe famd needs to be active
[01:47] <Skid> TheButteryWonder: it doesn't
[01:47] <Skid> I've got fam installed.. but I can't find "famd"
[01:47] <Thom_Ubuntu> Skid, restart gnome/x
[01:47] <Nermal> or do a killall gnome-panel and it should respawn
[01:47] <Skid> and fam is running..
[01:47] <Nermal> hmm..
[01:47] <Skid> Thom_Ubuntu: I dont want to have to always restart x
[01:47] <Skid> that's the thing :)
[01:47] <Thom_Ubuntu> or just press ctrl+alt+backspace
[01:47] <Nermal> urgh.. no
[01:47] <Thom_Ubuntu> well you have to
[01:47] <Nermal> don't do that
[01:47] <Skid> that's just stupid
[01:47] <Skid> I dont want all my apps killed :)
[01:47] <zeedo> Skid: killall gnome-panel
[01:47] <Nermal> just do a killall -HUP gnome-panel
[01:47] <thechitowncubs> Thom- what do you need to do to fix it =/
[01:47] <Nermal> but there must be a better way
[01:47] <Skid> can i h
[01:47] <Skid> ya
[01:48] <Skid> well I searched for famd (as coming from gentoo..)
[01:48] <Nermal> hmm
[01:48] <Nermal> Skid, aye.. me too
[01:48] <Skid> but fam was only returned, insatlled...
[01:48] <Skid> fam is running
[01:48] <Thom_Ubuntu> thechitowncubs, i dont know... you can always install ubuntu warty, and do a dist-upgrade from there to hoary (the one that fails)
[01:48] <Nermal> hmm
[01:48] <Skid> but it's not "smart"
[01:48] <muscibot> thanks nermal..ill let u know if it works
[01:48] <Skid> sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
[01:48] <muscibot> cheers
[01:48] <Nermal> muscibot, it's not in apt ?
[01:48] <thechitowncubs> Ill just wait till the Final =/
[01:48] <thechitowncubs> later
[01:48] <muscibot> huh?
[01:48] <Skid> also, while I'm on the subject, how can I enable the rest of the menu, rather than just gnomes (such as when I'm in fluxbox/xfce)
[01:48] <Tirno> Hi, I had the possibly misguided idea to move to hoary and now my wireless doesn't want to talk to me
[01:49] <Nermal> well.. aptitude search asfrecorder returns nothing ?
[01:49] <Thom_Ubuntu> now whats wrogn with ctrl+alt+backspace :s
[01:49] <Nermal> Thom_Ubuntu, it kills X without quitting any apps properly
[01:49] <Tirno> using network setting gui, I try to activate the wireless card and it promptly de-activates it again
[01:49] <Nermal> just wrenches X out from underneath them
[01:49] <Thom_Ubuntu> oh
[01:49] <Thom_Ubuntu> well i dont really care i barely use my x86 anyway ;)
[01:49] <Nermal> plus it kills all the apps you are using etc
[01:49] <Thom_Ubuntu> Nermal, that i understood
[01:50] <Nermal> Tirno, what does things like /var/log/messages show ?
[01:50] <Nermal> or dmesg ?
[01:50] <Nermal> and what happens if you manually up the interface ?
[01:51] <r3v3rb> gtg. l8r
[01:51] <gus_> sorry to just pop into your conversation like this :: but does anyone know if there are md5 sums for the newest hoary install i386 iso?
[01:51] <muscibot> nermal it doesnt work...
[01:51] <Nermal> what doesn't
[01:51] <muscibot> asf
[01:51] <Nermal> which bit
[01:52] <viper12> tirno........which wifi card are you using? is it an atheros chipset?
[01:52] <Nermal> ffs... read how to ask a question...
[01:52] <muscibot> well i extract it and its and exe file
[01:52] <Nermal> oh for christs sake
[01:52] <Tirno> it is on an intel centrino proc
[01:52] <muscibot> what???
[01:52] <Tirno> I think
[01:52] <Nermal> what video do you want to stream ?
[01:52] <Tirno> Nermal: I have nothing recent in /var/log/messages
[01:53] <|junit|> One other question: I noticed that Apache2 still tries to load on boot, even though I removed it using sudo apt-get remove apache2
[01:53] <Tirno> viper12: it worked on warty
[01:53] <viper12> I'm running hoary on same setup tirno........and I gotta tell you first off make SURE you type in the essid properly.  if thats wrong (even caps) it'll barf. ( i oughta know.
[01:53] <muscibot> its for my dad
[01:53] <Nermal> WHAT FORMAT
[01:53] <muscibot> http://xgen.vitalstream.com/mcasx.asx?media=1889745&package=1834578&vsus=&vsps
[01:53] <muscibot> i dunno
[01:54] <Nermal> apparently asfrecorder has both windows and linux version in the tarball
[01:54] <CarlK> how do I tell apt-get to install the Recommended packages too?
[01:54] <Tirno> viper12: so I can't hunt for wireless networks whose essid I don't know?
[01:54] <muscibot> ok
[01:54] <Nermal> Tirno, sure..
[01:54] <Nermal> Tirno, iwlist <interface> scan
[01:54] <Nermal> will list the ones it finds
[01:54] <muscibot> how do you install the linux one ...i got it in zip form
[01:55] <Scognito> hi all
[01:55] <Nermal> look in the file I guess
[01:55] <Nermal> should be an executable
[01:55] <Scognito> i got this message when i boot:
[01:55] <Scognito> "WARNING: .udevdb already exists on the old $udev_root!"
[01:55] <viper12> sure you can tirn........I'm talking about getting it to work on the one you want........mine kept crapping because it found two open networks that used 'any'.......and the signal was so bad it kept crappin' out.
[01:55] <Scognito> what it means?
[01:55] <Tirno> Nermal: how do I describe the interface
[01:55] <Nermal> Scognito, it means the udev db already exists on the old udev root
[01:55] <Scognito> i tried to remove /dev/.udevdb and reboot, but got same error
[01:55] <Nermal> Tirno, wlan0 ?
[01:55] <Nermal> Scognito, hum
[01:56] <Scognito> Nermal, in fact it is strange
[01:56] <CarlK> Quality=4/100  ?!!  it is 4' from the AP...
[01:56] <Scognito> and, every time i try to reboot or halt my machine i got "/ busy" when unmounting
[01:56] <Tirno> oops... iwconfig doesn't see my eth1
[01:57] <Nermal> huym
[01:57] <Tirno> which is where the wireless is if I remember correctly
[01:57] <Nermal> what does ifconfig eth1 up do ?
[01:57] <viper12> also tirno........check device manager and make sure its listed in there.  if not.........you've gota prob.
[01:57] <Nermal> sounds like it's not picking up the card
[01:57] <Nermal> what does dmesg give you ?
[01:57] <Scognito> me?
[01:58] <Nermal> noo... Tirno
[01:58] <Coily> every morning around 6:30 my mounted partitions start reading/writing, is there some sort of scheduled app that comes with ubuntu?
[01:58] <Tirno> nermal: am checking dmesg
[01:58] <Nermal> Coily, cron?
[01:58] <Nermal> :)
[01:58] <CarlK> Coily - probably "locate"
[01:58] <viper12> naw coily.........its bill gates trying ta sabotage ya. ;-)
[01:58] <muscibot> how do you run a makefile
[01:59] <Coily> cron? locate? how can i disable these
[01:59] <CarlK> Coily - turn off the box. ;)
[01:59] <Coily> :O
[01:59] <viper12> lol
[01:59] <Nermal> why would you want to ?
[01:59] <Nermal> they are running for your benefit
[02:00] <Coily> right now im having problems with my cpu overheating so cpu stress lags me, not too fun
[02:00] <Gagatan> muscibot: by issuing 'make' on the commandline ;) or ./Makefile if its executable
[02:00] <Coily> how long should it last?
[02:00] <Nermal> Coily, depends on how many files you have
[02:00] <Nermal> couple of minutes usually
[02:00] <viper12> sounds like hdd access is the LEAST of your concerns with that one (overheat0.
[02:00] <muscibot> i did but if says make: *** No rule to make target `makefile'.  Stop.
[02:00] <tga> viper12, major suckage
[02:01] <Tirno> so, no mention of eth1 in dmesg
[02:01] <viper12> hey tga. huh?
[02:01] <Nermal> muscibot, no documentation in the tarball ?
[02:01] <Coily> ya im running semi-stable right now...
[02:01] <tga> viper12, the card works just fine, it's dhclient that won't grab an address
[02:01] <muscibot> nope
[02:01] <Nermal> Tirno, what card is it
[02:01] <viper12> ahh hmm.
[02:01] <Tirno> gah! where do I find the wireless chipset in the device manager gui
[02:01] <Nermal> Tirno, forget "device manager" crap
[02:02] <Nermal> thats windows talk
[02:02] <Tirno> ok
[02:02] <Nermal> lspci is a good tool
[02:02] <Nermal> will list all the pci devices
[02:02] <tga> eek, these fonts are fugly
[02:02] <viper12> nermal..........that ain't cool.  there IS a gui dev manager that lists the devices.  If the user isn't as comfortable as SOME are on the command line, thats the FIRST place to look.
[02:03] <Nermal> viper12, device manager is very ambiguous
[02:03] <Nermal> it could mean different things on different DE / WM or different distros
[02:03] <Tirno> I'm comfortable with both
[02:03] <Nermal> command line is a lot easier over irc
[02:03] <Tirno> I just have zero clue as far as hardware is concerned
[02:03] <Tirno> so I don't know what I'm looking for
[02:03] <Nermal> "type this" vs "move your mouse to this, then click this, then this, then you should see this.."
[02:04] <Nermal> Tirno, do you know what card it is ?
[02:04] <Tirno> err...
[02:04] <Nermal> that would help lots :)
[02:05] <Tirno> because I'm not sure which thing it is that's supposed to identify the card
[02:05] <CarlK> so there isn't an apt-get switch to get the Recommended packages?
[02:05] <Nermal> Tirno, I meant you personally
[02:05] <Tirno> Since they've begun integrating wireless inside laptops, I've just been answering yes and saying activate and hoping for the best
[02:05] <Nermal> as in "I went and bought this card"
[02:06] <Nermal> ah... it's integrated .. centrino ?
[02:06] <Tirno> I went and bought this acer laptop
[02:06] <Tirno> yeah
[02:06] <Nermal> right..
[02:06] <Nermal> so it will be using the ipw stuff
[02:06] <Tirno> I mentioned that earlier, sorry didn't realised you missed it
[02:06] <Nermal> np :)
[02:06] <Nermal> hmm. so it will be ipw2100 but more likely ipw2200
[02:06] <viper12> As far as it goes.  If its a centrino based chipset (intel)........in the device manager GUI, its going to be listed most likely as: PRO/Wireless LAN xxxx  mini PCI adapter.
[02:06] <Nermal> does lsmod give you any modules name ipw
[02:06] <viper12> (looking at a centrino machine as we speak.)
[02:07] <tritium> CarlK, you can always use apt-cache show
[02:07] <Nermal> lspci and the kernel are my device managers
[02:07] <CarlK> tritium - how will that help?
[02:07] <Tirno> ipw2200
[02:07] <Nermal> so the module is loaded.. .thats good
[02:07] <tritium> CarlK, It'll only show you the info you want to know.  Then, you can install the recommend packages.
[02:07] <Nermal> its just not upping the wifi card :|
[02:08] <Nermal> which is odd.. it should appear somewhere in dmesg :|
[02:08] <Nermal> and iwconfig doesn't show any wireless cards ?
[02:08] <Tirno> ah
[02:08] <Tirno> sorry
[02:08] <Tirno> I did dmesg|grep eth1
[02:08] <Tirno> grepping ipw2200 says load faled
[02:09] <Nermal> hmm.. maybe the firmware failed to load :|
[02:09] <Tirno> ipw2200: ipw2200_boot.fw load failed
[02:09] <Tirno> yep
[02:09] <Tirno> unable to load firmware: 0xFFFFFFFE
[02:09] <Nermal> ok.. so the firmware isn't loading onto your card.. so that could be a firmware version issue or it could be a pci issue
[02:09] <muscibot> AARG!!!
[02:09] <muscibot> this freeking thing
[02:09] <viper12> ipw2200.  you should check compatibility stuff.  the ipw2100 (over here) is working with hoary array4.
[02:10] <Nermal> I would just try booting with pci=noacpi noapic and see what happens... as a quick check
[02:10] <viper12> good call there nermal.
[02:10] <Nermal> that was a good fix when I worked for SUSE ;)
[02:10] <viper12> what 'brand' laptop is it Tirno?
[02:10] <Tirno> acer travelmate 4000
[02:10] <Nermal> as hoary has a newer kernel and it may not like the acpi implementation
[02:10] <viper12> nods.  definitely do the no acpi install.
[02:11] <Tirno> oh...
[02:11] <viper12> you're ipw is a full rev higher than the compaq x1000 widescreen I'm looking at. (ipw2100).
[02:11] <Nermal> so hit space for the menu on boot, then hit "e" to edit the boot options and plonk pci=noacpi noapic on the end of the kernel line
[02:11] <Nermal> then hit "b" to boot it
[02:11] <Tirno> right
[02:11] <muscibot> i cant find asfrecorder as a tgz file only as a freeking zip file
[02:11] <Nermal> alternatively add those two to the end of the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst :)
[02:12] <Nermal> note one is acpi and one is apic, they are two different things
[02:12] <Nermal> just to confuse you :)
[02:12] <viper12> lmao
[02:12] <tritium> muscibot, what's the problem with that?
[02:12] <muscibot> well i dont know how to install it as an exe file
[02:12] <Nermal> its not an exe file
[02:12] <Nermal> it contains both
[02:12] <Nermal> you have to compile the linux version
[02:13] <Nermal> though I just do emerge asfrecorder *cough* ;)
[02:13] <muscibot> it contains a exe and makefile but i dont know how to makefile
[02:13] <Tirno> where do I put it in grub's menu.llst
[02:13] <Nermal> is there no INSTALL file ?
[02:13] <Nermal> to read ?
[02:13] <muscibot> nope
[02:13] <Nermal> Tirno, on the end of the kernel line you want to use
[02:13] <|junit|> is there any risk involved in upgrading to hoary from woary with apt-get?
[02:13] <|junit|> lol
[02:13] <|junit|> hoary
[02:13] <muscibot> there is just exe file and makefile
[02:14] <Nermal> |junit|, there is some risk, but it worked for me
[02:14] <Nermal> apparently aptitude can be better for big upgrades
[02:14] <Nermal> just make sure things like X are shut down
[02:14] <|junit|> k
[02:14] <viper12> um junit......hoary is still not 'final'..........so there might be if you've tweaked with stuff on warty.....but its not that 'scary'.
[02:14] <tritium> |junit|, you may encounter some difficulties
[02:16] <krism> mms
[02:16] <Tirno> oops... just realised I might have done something really silly and overreached myself. I didn apt-get dist-update and then apt-get upgrade
[02:16] <krism> sorry
[02:16] <|junit|> have any of you used OpenOffice 2 beta?
[02:16] <tritium> |junit|, yes
[02:16] <afonit> can't get it to install
[02:16] <afonit> or else I would
[02:16] <|junit|> Hmm, i couldn't get it to install either
[02:16] <Nermal> Tirno, not the other way round ?
[02:16] <afonit> I don't want to build it, just wanna do it from apt
[02:16] <CarlK> I used OO 1.9
[02:16] <|junit|> with their debian instructions
[02:16] <Tirno> err
[02:17] <Tirno> not sure which way round
[02:17] <tritium> openoffice.org2 is available in Hoary
[02:17] <Nermal> well normally you do update then upgrade ;)
[02:17] <Nermal> tritium, it is ? :)
[02:17] <Tirno> point being, i don't think I ever typed the line dist-upgrade
[02:17] <Nermal> wheee
[02:17] <tritium> Nermal, yep
[02:17] <tritium> for a while now ;)
[02:17] <Tirno> I did dist-update then upgrade
[02:17] <Nermal> much faster apparently
[02:18] <Nermal> it's update then dist-upgrade
[02:18] <Tirno> hmm
[02:18] <Nermal> I think
[02:18] <Tirno> maybe I did do it right then
[02:18] <Tirno> :/
[02:18] <tritium> you have to update before you can upgrade
[02:19] <Tirno> I updated
[02:19] <afonit> tritium:  I am in hoary, and when i try to do it through apt it says "opeonoffice.org2-common: depends: openoffice.org2-core(>1.9.64)but it is not installable"
[02:19] <afonit> and I am current as of this morning
[02:19] <Tirno> what I'm specifically worried about is whether there's a difference between dist-upgrade and just upgrade
[02:19] <afonit> maybe it is because I am amd64
[02:19] <tritium> afonit, the day I installed, all the dependencies were available
[02:19] <viper12> have fun all....gotta blaze.
[02:19] <afonit> on ubuntu 64
[02:20] <afonit> tritium, are you on amd64?
[02:20] <tritium> afonit, nope
[02:20] <afonit> nuts
[02:20] <afonit> I am quite happy with ubuntu though, and I finally got an nvidia card that is supported
[02:20] <afonit> makes such a huge difference, it is amazing
[02:21] <tritium> Tirno, there is a big difference.
[02:21] <Parallax> _
[02:22] <Nermal> christ
[02:22] <Nermal> almost did cdrecord dev=/dev/hda hoary-install-i386.iso
[02:22] <RU63> hiya, i installed kde, hoary, and i can't find the terminal in it.
[02:22] <adamh> How do I suggest a package for inclusion in Ubuntu?
[02:23] <Tirno> Oh and there's something vaguely annoying in the warty install procedure: I selected swiss-french keyboard, but english language. And my login screen has defaulted to american keyboard. Only big difference is the switch between letters y and z, which I unfortunately have one of in my password
[02:23] <RU63> where is terminal in kde?  there is nothing on the desktop
[02:23] <adamh> i.e., how do I suggest "Here's a tarball, there ought to be a .deb for it"? :)
[02:23] <Nermal> RU63, should be a shell icon
[02:23] <tritium> Nermal, you can use nautilus to burn CDs too
[02:23] <Tirno> where do I report that/check whether it's fixed in hoary
[02:23] <Nermal> tritium, bah... nah :)
[02:23] <Nermal> this is gentoo atm :|
[02:23] <Nermal> don't trust it ;)
[02:23] <tritium> Nermal, ah, I see ;)
[02:23] <adamh> (and how do I confirm that nobody else has already suggested what I'm suggesting?)
[02:23] <Nermal> about to blat it and install hoary
[02:23] <RU63> Nermal, there is nothing, I had to type xchat into the Run Command to get here
[02:24] <Nermal> that doesn't sound right :|
[02:24] <tritium> adamh, what is it?
[02:24] <adamh> tritium: pyphany
[02:24] <RU63> Nermal, i did choose the mswindows look when i went through the wizard
[02:24] <adamh> (Python bindings/loader for Epiphany)
[02:25] <Nermal> _why?_
[02:25] <RU63> Nermal, could that be it?
[02:25] <Tirno> nermal: I did pci=noapci noapic
[02:25] <Nermal> Tirno, any joy ?
[02:25] <RU63> Nermal, wanted to see what would happen
[02:25] <Tirno> it said it doesn't know option noapci
[02:25] <Tirno> it's just finishing the boot now
[02:25] <Nermal> well.. now you've seen it does it pretty well.. you get nothing useful, and everything is pretty broken
[02:25] <mjg59> Tirno: pci=noacpi
[02:25] <Nermal> they've got it down to a tee eh ?
[02:25] <mjg59> Not pci-noapci
[02:25] <Nermal> noacpi
[02:26] <Nermal> not noapci
[02:26] <Nermal> *embeds head in desk*
[02:26] <Tirno> oh fuck
[02:26] <Tirno> gah
[02:26] <Nermal> collegues giving me odd looks
[02:26] <tritium> adamh, you can file a bug with Severity "enhancement"
[02:26] <adamh> tritium: Against what package?
[02:26] <Tirno> I reread each of the words to make sure it was right
[02:26] <adamh> Erm, what "Product" rather
[02:26] <Riddell> RU63: konsole should be in the k-menu or on the taskbar or you can run it through alt-f2
[02:26] <tritium> adamh, epiphany, I guess
[02:26] <adamh> tritium: All right, thanks :)
[02:26] <Nermal> Tirno, :)
[02:26] <tga> hmm.. hoary time, let's see how this goes
[02:27] <tga> warty~=sarge, hoary~=sid?
[02:27] <tritium> adamh, it's just an idea
[02:27] <tritium> tga, not really
[02:27] <RU63> Riddell: there is nothing... k menu has no apps
[02:27] <tga> is warty 'stable' and hoary 'unstable'?
[02:27] <Nermal> yah
[02:27] <adamh> tritium: There're only 6 "products" in Bugzilla... none of them is Epiphany. I guess I file against Ubuntu :)
[02:27] <tritium> tga, yes, but when Warty was frozen, it was a snapshot of sid
[02:28] <RU63> Riddell: i have to run programs in run command
[02:28] <adamh> Oh, "package" -- gotcha :)
[02:28] <tga> sounds good
[02:28] <tga> so is hoary roughly comparable to sid?
[02:28] <RU63> Riddell: when i click on Configure Desktop, nothing happens
[02:28] <tritium> tga, yes, roughly speaking
[02:28] <tga> RU63, it's so smart it configures the desktop automatically
[02:29] <RU63> tga, i want it to be dumb!
[02:29] <RU63> i want terminal badddd!
[02:29] <tga> RU63: panic sequence: ctrl+alt+backspace
[02:30] <RU63> tga, did that already
[02:30] <Tirno> ah
[02:30] <tga> 689 upgraded, 146 newly installed, 14 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:30] <tga> hoooly
[02:30] <Tirno> nermal: all options recognized this time
[02:30] <Tirno> now to see whether it loads the card this time
[02:31] <RU63> i musta missed a package
[02:31] <Tirno> so where is it I go to give feedback on the install procedure?
[02:31] <Riddell> RU63: where is "Configure Desktop"?
[02:32] <muscibot> damn
[02:32] <RU63> Riddell: when i right click on it
[02:32] <Tirno> Nermal: still failed to load firmware
[02:32] <RU63> Riddell: even configure panel doesn't work
[02:32] <muscibot> the friggin asfrecorder wont read asx streams
[02:32] <Riddell> RU63: that's the broken freedesktop menus, try installing gnome-menus and see if that fixes it
[02:32] <Nermal> Tirno, hmm
[02:33] <RU63> Riddell: k, brb... gonna have to leave X
[02:33] <Tirno> hmm dmesg also tells me: local apic disabled by bios -- reenabling
[02:34] <Nermal> hmm
[02:34] <Nermal> interesting
[02:34] <Tirno> acpi also seems to be claiming to doing some stuff
[02:35] <tga> if only I could disable the APIC.. it freezes this lappy every time I use a function key
[02:35] <tritium> tga, you tried noapic?
[02:35] <RU63> Riddell: It worked.. thanks :)
[02:35] <tga> tritium: yeah, it doesn't help
[02:35] <tritium> tga, what about nolapic?
[02:36] <RU63> Riddell: I woulda never thought that installing gnome-menus would work for KDE
[02:36] <tga> tritium: don't know about that one
[02:36] <zeR> Hello, i downloaded the hoary ISO and burned it, but when i want to install i get an error that acpi-modules-2.6.10-2-386-di_2.6.10-14_i386.udeb is corrupt. Anything i can do?
[02:36] <cblack> burn it at a slower speed
[02:37] <tritium> tga, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/dellat/view?searchterm=nolapic
[02:37] <zeR> cblack: you think it is a burning error?
[02:37] <Tirno> or download it again. I had checksum problems on my warty download
[02:37] <Riddell> RU63: it's a known problem, it's on my TODO list to fix sooner rather than later
[02:37] <cblack> zeR, yep
[02:37] <tritium> tga, it may also work in your situation.  It's worth a try
[02:37] <tga> tritium: very interesting, thank you
[02:37] <tritium> yep
[02:38] <zeR> cblack: i watched the md5sums right now. The one on the server is another like i have on my hd now
[02:38] <RU63> Riddell: thanks again for helping, ltr
[02:38] <Tirno> so, is there any way for me to revert back to warty, which still recognized my wireless?
[02:38] <remi> How do you do to install Nvu with apt-get ?
[02:39] <cblack> zeR, burn it again. slower speed.
[02:39] <zeR> cblack: ok, i will try that..thank you!
[02:39] <tritium> remi, if it's in the package repositories, just like any other package
[02:39] <tritium> Tirno, not easily
[02:40] <fsc> should i get a linux-image-smp package for a p4-hyperthreading?
[02:40] <Tirno> sounds like I get to reinstall the whole system :D
[02:40] <CarlK> I had a CD problem - I was able to wget the image to the local box, then unmount /cdrom and mount the image - then let the install finish
[02:41] <Tirno> Will the problems I've been having with hoary be fixed by time it's released?
[02:41] <krism> Tirno : wtf?
[02:41] <CarlK> lol
[02:41] <zeR> cblack: could you give me the correct command (for cdrecord) to burn the iso image?
[02:41] <cblack> not off the top of my head. i just burned it via nautilus in gnome
[02:42] <krism> zeR : cdrecord -dev=/dev/... -tao filename.iso
[02:42] <krism> where -dev=/dev/.. is your devic ename, e.g. "/dev/hdc"
[02:42] <CarlK> isn't it just dev, not -dev?
[02:43] <zeR> is it bootable then?
[02:43] <krism> CarlK: ubuntu 'hack' i assume. it's usually 'dev 0,0,0' for scsi disk, but.
[02:43] <krism> zeR: yes, the ubuntu CD is bootable.
[02:43] <zeR> i mean, cdrecord makes it bootable automatically
[02:43] <zeR> ?
[02:43] <krism> CarlK: for dealing w/ IDE burners directly; cdrecord didnt (doesnt?) natively support ide
[02:44] <krism> zeR: yes.
[02:44] <krism> zeR: if the ISO is bootable, any program that burns the ISO makes.. a bootable disk.
[02:44] <mjr> krism, it does nowadays, at least the one that's actually distributed
[02:44] <Tirno> krism. hoary borked my wireless
[02:44] <krism> mjr: the official one, or ubuntu?
[02:44] <Tirno> so I'm goinh back to warty
[02:44] <zeR> ah, that was my last CD i had..
[02:44] <LinuxJones> The Warty nvidia-glx reverted back to version 1.0-6111 from August.
[02:44] <CarlK> man cdrecord: cdrecord [ general options ]  dev=device
[02:45] <mjr> krism, I dunno about the official one, but practically every distro supports it
[02:45] <fsc> tritium, were you using ndiswrapper?
[02:45] <LinuxJones> Did Hoary's version get changed as well ?
[02:45] <fsc> tritium, if so, revert back to warty's ndiswrapper
[02:45] <krism> mjr: ah. the 'proper' way to do it (used to be!) via ide-scsi, but.. dunno what the official method is now. :)
[02:45] <mjr> the official cdrecord guy is a bit of an unco-operative fellow
[02:45] <krism> mjr :)
[02:46] <mjr> krism, 2.6 kernels actually warn upon loading ide-scsi that it's not the recommended way to burn cds nowadays
[02:46] <mjr> (or at least they did when I tried it a while ago)
[02:46] <krism> mjr: ah :)
[02:47] <sfm-paryl> i have a really strange problem... I just installed ubuntu (warty) and everythign appeared to be great.  But as soon as X starts up, I see a brief flash of the screen (everythign working properly) and then it goes black, the desktop flashes up about every 5-10 seconds and it's up for about a second at a time.  What can I do to fix it? It's an LCD monitor, if that helps.
[02:47] <tritium> fsc, sorry, my sound isn't working.. Didn't hear your message.
[02:47] <tritium> fsc, no, I've never used ndiswrapper
[02:48] <tritium> fsc, what are you responding to?
[02:48] <fsc> tritium, you going back to warty
[02:49] <tritium> fsc, you must be thinking of Tirno, or someone else
[02:49] <fsc> tritium, i have sound problems too. gnome does sounds, but i can't play mp3s
[02:49] <fsc> Tirno, i mean
[02:49] <krism> fsc: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:49] <fsc> Tirno, revert back to ndiswrapper in warty
[02:49] <tritium> fsc, my sound problem is from polypaudio -> #define MAX_CONNECTIONS 10
[02:49] <fsc> Tirno, if that's what you're using
[02:49] <fsc> krism, k
[02:50] <fsc> well, just downloaded 2.10 kernel. gonna reboot and do xorg next
[02:50] <krism> fsc: that's the mp3 plugin.
[02:50] <Tirno> fsc??
[02:50] <tritium> fsc, did you install gstreamer0.8-mad?
[02:50] <Tirno> what does that mean and how do I do it?
[02:50] <fsc> tritium, uhmm..no
[02:50] <Montagh> im looking for an mp3 plugin for totem, or get xmms going
[02:50] <fsc> Tirno, are you using ndiswrapper for your wireless?
[02:50] <tritium> fsc, you be able to play mp3 if you do
[02:50] <fsc> tritium, thanks
[02:50] <tritium> you ^ will ^ be able...
[02:51] <fsc> so when i reboot after getting 2.10 i should be in a 2.10 kernel?
[02:52] <Tirno> the wireless in the centrino set
[02:53] <sfm-paryl> can anyone help?  please?
[02:54] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[02:55] <da_bon_bon> anyone on hoary noticed the new gnome-panel packages ?
[02:55] <tritium> da_bon_bon, what about them?
[02:57] <tritium> hey Xappe
[03:00] <Xappe> hello, tritium
[03:03] <da_bon_bon> tritium: thank me for those.
[03:04] <Scognito> hi all
[03:04] <Scognito> why i cannot install freevo on ubuntu?
[03:05] <tritium> da_bon_bon, oh, did you submit a bug?
[03:05] <Scognito>   freevo: Depends: python (< 2.4) ma 2.4-0ubuntu6 is to be installed
[03:05] <Nermal> da_bon_bon, can I thank the thousands of other coders who contribute to open source too ?
[03:05] <Nermal> the ones that don't ask for credit ? :)
[03:05] <da_bon_bon> tritium: i notified of a severe bug that caused gnome ppl to update their cvs and hence ubuntu to update the packages
[03:05] <lapo> hi
[03:06] <tritium> da_bon_bon, good deal
[03:07] <Kyaneos> hi
[03:07] <Xappe> hmm, something is going crazy with my hdd...think it's synaptic...hmm...
[03:08] <kakorna> Hi, i have a question - what can be wrong if the computer stops at 'Preconfiguring packages...' when im doing 'apt-get install xserver-xfree86', its a 3.2ghz so it should work fine - ive tried both warty and hoary - the CD works fine on my laptop, any sugguestions?
[03:10] <da_bon_bon> Nermal: i am not asking for credit.
[03:10] <da_bon_bon> brb. need to restart GNOME.
[03:11] <Xappe> hmm, no updates for polypaudio...
[03:11] <kandinski> does ubuntu live come with a NTFS resizer? I got this laptop from work I want to install linux on, and it hasn't got an XP disk, so I will not be able to reinstall; I have to resize.
[03:11] <tritium> Xappe, I tried to point it out, and got my hand slapped
[03:11] <tritium> Xappe, we had best be patient.
[03:12] <thenuke> why ubuntus installer fails to re-install grub :I
[03:12] <Xappe> tritium, ok...i'll go without soundserver for a while then
[03:12] <tritium> Xappe, you decided not to drop back to esound?
[03:13] <Xappe> yes, that'll just create more work for me later on :)
[03:14] <tritium> I suppose so.
[03:15] <Xappe> and i think they have to fix it or head back to esound quite soon
[03:15] <tritium> Xappe, because of the freeze?
[03:16] <zeR> cblack: it didn't work :( I burned another CD with speed=4..
[03:16] <Xappe> tritium, something like that. i mean, hoary will not be a good release without a somewhat working soundserver
[03:17] <da_bon_bon> tritium: well, that fix wasnt due to me. the crash still occurs
[03:17] <Tirno> zer: is there an md5sum for you to check?
[03:17] <zeR> When i install Ubuntu, it couldn't copy a file from the cd. When i check the integrity of the cd, i get a message that acpi-modules couldn't be verified by the md5sum. Is there any way to install Ubuntu with the ISO-File anyhow?
[03:17] <tritium> Xappe, what I don't get is how an untested sound server that isn't working made it into Hoary after the feature freeze of Feb. 7th
[03:17] <da_bon_bon> zeR: yes.
[03:17] <zeR> da_bon_bon: :) How can i do that?
[03:18] <da_bon_bon> zeR: u know 'bout BT right ?
[03:18] <zeR> da_bon_bon: Bittorrent?
[03:18] <da_bon_bon> zeR: is it hoary / warty ?
[03:18] <da_bon_bon> yes bittorrent
[03:18] <zeR> da_bon_bon: hoary
[03:19] <zeR> da_bon_bon: i don't want to download another BIG package..it took 4 days to download the ISO (I only have ISDN)
[03:19] <da_bon_bon> zeR: ah, then i dont think its possible, unless u find a .torrent for hoary
[03:19] <Xappe> tritium, well, you got a point there. but since hoary still is under development I guess one can't cry out too loud about it...
[03:19] <CarlK> da_bon_bon - not just that... a .torrent for the hoary that zeR had
[03:20] <da_bon_bon> CarlK: right.
[03:20] <zeR> I downloaded hoary from  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/hoary-live-i386.iso
[03:20] <CarlK> zeR - what day?
[03:20] <da_bon_bon> zeR: well, bad. then, i think u do a minimal install then download all off the net
[03:20] <zeR> a few days ago.
[03:20] <tritium> Xappe, I agree, but it's odd
[03:20] <SiRrUs> whats wrong with hoary's sound ?
[03:20] <CarlK> zeR - me too...
[03:21] <Xappe> tritium, yepp
[03:21] <zeR> da_bon_bon: hmpf. Is there a guide how to install from minimal install?
[03:21] <da_bon_bon> zeR: yes, lemme search
[03:22] <SiRrUs> Xappe,tritium  whats wrong with the sound
[03:22] <da_bon_bon> zeR: http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[03:22] <CarlK> wait...  they mention using rsync to get the image.  it might fix it, and eve update it to the current
[03:22] <zeR> da_bon_bon: thx
[03:22] <Xappe> SiRrUs, they switched from esd to polypaudio, and now a lot of thing do not work properly
[03:22] <CarlK> but that would be some freaky magic...
[03:22] <zeR> CarlK: Ah, sounds great!
[03:22] <Xappe> *things
[03:22] <da_bon_bon> zeR: np.
[03:22] <tritium> SiRrUs, polypaudio bails after 10 connections
[03:22] <da_bon_bon> how do i use ALSA instead of ESD ?
[03:23] <SiRrUs> hmmm my sound works fine, what am I doing wrong
[03:23] <tritium> SiRrUs, you upgraded ubuntu-desktop and had esound replaced with polypaudio?
[03:23] <da_bon_bon> anyone got realplayer 10 working on hoary ?
[03:23] <zeR> CarlK: But who is 'they'?
[03:23] <Xappe> SiRrUs, haha, that's one way of looking at it :D
[03:23] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hiho
[03:24] <SiRrUs> I have done daily updates and dist-upgrades since hoary was first available
[03:24] <SiRrUs> and no esd was never replaced
[03:24] <Xappe> SiRrUs, polypaudio got into hoary yesterday
[03:24] <spiral> da_bon_bon: me
[03:25] <spiral> da_bon_bon: but I didn't do anything special to do so
[03:25] <tritium> SiRrUs, it's held back unless you dist-upgrade or manually install ubuntu-desktop
[03:25] <CarlK> zeR - they = http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GettingUbuntu
[03:25] <SiRrUs> like i said dist-upgrade last night as well as 5 mins ago
[03:25] <CarlK> what is the script that tries to identify your sound card?
[03:26] <Xappe> SiRrUs, that's strange
[03:26] <SiRrUs> so it should be shutting down my xmms soon?
[03:26] <Thom_Holwerda> something's wrong here-- apt-get dist-upgrade from warty to hoary only reports 47 packages that will be upgraded
[03:26] <Thom_Holwerda> isnt it supposed to be more
[03:26] <da_bon_bon> spiral: u on hoary ?
[03:26] <da_bon_bon> Thom_Holwerda: >900 for me.
[03:27] <Thom_Holwerda> yeah thats why im confused
[03:27] <da_bon_bon> check ur repos
[03:27] <Thom_Holwerda> just did :s
[03:27] <SiRrUs> let me restart gnome i am pretty interested now :)
[03:27] <SiRrUs> brb
[03:27] <fsc> easy enough. upgraded to 2.10 kernel and xorg. 15 minutes tops
[03:27] <fsc> officially hoary now
[03:27] <Xappe> tritium, do you have any tips for buying a cheap soundcard with hardware mixing?
[03:28] <fsc> tritium, i downloaded gstreamer-mad and still can't play mp3s by the way
[03:28] <da_bon_bon> spiral: didnt it conflict with esd ? u use esd ?
[03:28] <spiral> DagaZ: yeah... on hoary...
[03:28] <tritium> Xappe, no, I've been using a laptop exclusively for 3 years now.  Sorry.
[03:28] <spiral> da_bon_bon: sorry, not DagaZ
[03:28] <da_bon_bon> spiral: ok..
[03:28] <da_bon_bon> spiral: didnt it conflict with esd ? u use esd ?
[03:28] <fsc> all i use is a laptop too.
[03:28] <Thom_Holwerda> i dont get this :s
[03:28] <spiral> da_bon_bon: I use kde rather... so arts...
[03:29] <da_bon_bon> spiral: that explains it.
[03:29] <Xappe> tritium, ok. think i'll try to get one, so I can turn off my built in ac97
[03:29] <spiral> da_bon_bon: but I still have gnome, and this didn't conflict with esd I think
[03:29] <tritium> fsc, you're using Hoary now?  It has pretty decent power management: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM
[03:29] <fsc> tritium, yeah
[03:29] <spiral> tritium: except for smart batteries :-/
[03:29] <fsc> tritium, thanks
[03:29] <tritium> Xappe, good luck
[03:29] <SiRrUs> nope sound works great
[03:29] <da_bon_bon> in Sound pref. if i uncheck "enable sound server at startup" will i get sound during normal events ?
[03:29] <tritium> fsc, sure.
[03:29] <fsc> now that i'm in xorg, how do i get shadows?
[03:30] <tritium> spiral, you're not having luck?
[03:30] <gustavor> is there a command which returns the console that i'm logged in?
[03:30] <spiral> tritium: having a smart battery on my laptop, and no power information returned by acpi
[03:30] <Thom_Holwerda> darnit my sources.list is fine-- how can dist-upgrade only list 47 packages??
[03:30] <spiral> gustavor: tty maybe ?
[03:31] <gustavor> spiral, thanks
[03:31] <spiral> Thom_Holwerda: since when ?
[03:31] <Xappe> fsc, turn on your lamp and get yourself in front of it :) or search the forums for xorg composite
[03:31] <zeR> CarlK: How did you think to fix the ISO-file with rsync?
[03:31] <fsc> Xappe, heh
[03:32] <Xappe> fsc, sorry for the bad joke, i just came home from work :)
[03:32] <Thom_Holwerda> spiral, im trying to dist-upgrade from warty to hoary-- did that before and all went fine, now i have a new warty install, on the same machine, that i want to upgrade into hoary, but now it only lists 47 packages to be upgraded, even though my sources.list is all fine
[03:32] <da_bon_bon> zeR: thats an option
[03:32] <spiral> Thom_Holwerda: apt-get update done ?
[03:32] <Thom_Holwerda> doesnt make sense
[03:32] <Thom_Holwerda> yup
[03:32] <spiral> Thom_Holwerda: astonishing
[03:33] <da_bon_bon> Thom_Holwerda: how many mb does it say it needs to get ?
[03:33] <fsc> transparency on gnome-terminal is kindof cool
[03:33] <Thom_Holwerda> 8207 kb
[03:33] <SiRrUs> Thom_Holwerda you sure your sources are correct
[03:33] <Thom_Holwerda> yup
[03:33] <zeR> ah, i now how it can be done without stressing the server :). Using jigit ( http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JigdoDownloadHowto ) Luck, that i have still a Warty Release installed
[03:33] <Montagh> i use aterm its the lightest ive found
[03:33] <Thom_Holwerda> no im not sure :s
[03:34] <SiRrUs> Thom_Holwerda go here  www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:34] <da_bon_bon> SiRrUs: and how will that help :P
[03:34] <Thom_Holwerda> screw there where two lines all the way at the top that i forgot to edit-- excuse my utter stupidity
[03:35] <Thom_Holwerda> im already done :) forgot two lines in sources.list, they were tucked in between vairous commented lines so they blended right in
[03:35] <Thom_Holwerda> excuse me lol
[03:35] <SiRrUs> da_bon_bon it tells you which ones to add and edit
[03:35] <da_bon_bon> SiRrUs: Thom_Holwerda told that he has done that.
[03:36] <SiRrUs> Thom_Holwerda he also said he forgot to edit 2 lines ] 
[03:36] <da_bon_bon> SiRrUs: mea culpa, then.
[03:36] <Thom_Holwerda> alredy works "need to get 407 mb of archives"
[03:36] <fsc> Thom_Holwerda, tha'ts about right. i just upgraded 2 days ago
[03:36] <fsc> Thom_Holwerda, i think mine was about 450 meg or so
[03:36] <Thom_Holwerda> man this must've been my most stupid action in computing history
[03:36] <da_bon_bon> mine was 423mb
[03:37] <fsc> i was getting kickass download speeds.  300kB+
[03:37] <Thom_Holwerda> same here
[03:37] <fsc> i think it was like 15 minutes
[03:37] <Thom_Holwerda> is there a logger on this channel *erm*
[03:37] <Thom_Holwerda> ;)
[03:37] <SiRrUs> everyone upgrading to hoary?
[03:37] <tritium> Thom_Holwerda, yes
[03:37] <Thom_Holwerda> darnit
[03:37] <fsc> SiRrUs, i upgraded to hoary a couple days ago and just upgraded to kernel 2.6.10 and xorg 10 minutes ago
[03:37] <da_bon_bon> i was getting 12-13kbps  ! :(
[03:38] <da_bon_bon> fsc: upgrade to hoary installs xorg by default
[03:38] <Thom_Holwerda> im doign 301kb atm
[03:38] <SiRrUs> fsc nice
[03:38] <Sysace> guys.. can anybody help with a ppc install?  I've completed the first stage of the install, when asked to reboot, I get yaboot, choose gnu/linux, choose Linux (Linux/old are the options), then i get error:  /pci@80000000/pci-bridge@d/pci-ata@1/@0/disk@0:11,\\linux:  No such file or directory
[03:38] <SiRrUs> da_bon_bon not in all cases
[03:38] <fsc> da_bon_bon, yeah, but the xserver doesn't automagically
[03:39] <fsc> da_bon_bon, you'll still be in xfree if you just do a dist-upgrade
[03:39] <Thom_Holwerda> Sysace, pci-ata?
[03:39] <da_bon_bon> fsc: yeah, learnt that the hard way :(
[03:39] <tritium> Thom_Holwerda, http://www.loglibrary.com/show_page/latest/101
[03:39] <khinester> hello
[03:39] <Sysace> Thom_Holwerda:  that's what it says... it's a blue/white mac g3..
[03:39] <fsc> da_bon_bon, that's a good thing in my opinion
[03:39] <da_bon_bon> fsc: not in mine :)
[03:40] <khinester> how do i install apache on an ubuntu server from the shell
[03:40] <fsc> da_bon_bon, why?
[03:40] <Thom_Holwerda> tritium, darn ;)
[03:40] <fsc> the whole upgrade was so simple. ubuntu rocks
[03:40] <Thom_Holwerda> yup
[03:40] <da_bon_bon> Bandit: WTF ?
[03:40] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu kicks ass!
[03:40] <khinester> is it apt-cache search apache
[03:40] <Thom_Holwerda> waiting for ubuntu-sparc mini.iso to get fixed and then i can dump my x86 again
[03:40] <da_bon_bon> khinester: right
[03:40] <Sysace> can anybody help / offer suggestions???
[03:41] <Thom_Holwerda> Sysace, it might have to do with the fact that b/w g3's are pretty old--  i have no idea
[03:41] <fsc> still can't play mp3, but gnome sounds work. i wonder if it has something to do with esd.  i did download gstreamer-mad
[03:41] <Thom_Holwerda> ubuntu worked fine on my g4 imac
[03:42] <tritium> worked fine our G3s
[03:42] <Sysace> Thom_Holwerda:  yellowdog installed fine.. and according to what I see on forums.. it has installed on older hardware
[03:42] <khinester> da_bon_bon: and what is the next command?
[03:42] <Thom_Holwerda> mmmm okayokay, i really have ni idea :(
[03:42] <da_bon_bon> khinester: apt-get install apache
[03:42] <khinester> thats simple
[03:43] <tritium> khinester, you don't want apache2?
[03:43] <SiRrUs> fsc what are you using to play the mp3s
[03:43] <khinester> i do
[03:43] <da_bon_bon> khinester: isnt it :) or rather, use synaptic - simpler
[03:43] <Sysace> anybody else with any ideas?  or is there anywhere else i can go for help??
[03:43] <da_bon_bon> Sysace: whats the prob. ?
[03:44] <tritium> khinester, then don't get apache.  Get apache2.
[03:44] <Skid> i recently just pulled an unused drive out my machine, and now when i try to boot it up, I get a grub error 21 - can't get to any menus any ideas?
[03:44] <Sysace> da_bon_bon:  I've completed the first stage of the install, when asked to reboot, I get yaboot, choose gnu/linux, choose Linux (Linux/old are the options), then i get error:  /pci@80000000/pci-bridge@d/pci-ata@1/@0/disk@0:11,\\linux:  No such file or directory
[03:44] <da_bon_bon> Sysace: why not grub ?
[03:44] <khinester> tritium: so, sudo apt-get install apache2
[03:44] <Thom_Holwerda> lol
[03:44] <tritium> khinester, yep
[03:44] <khinester> or apache2-common
[03:44] <Thom_Holwerda> grub isnt for ppc
[03:44] <Sysace> da_bon_bon:  I didn't get a choice ..
[03:44] <Thom_Holwerda> on ppc you need yaboot to boot linux
[03:45] <tritium> khinester, apache2.  It'll pull in apache2-common.
[03:45] <njan> Skid, yes, you broke grub :)
[03:45] <Skid> oh nm, sorted
[03:45] <Skid> odd.
[03:45] <da_bon_bon> Thom_Holwerda: oh ok..
[03:45] <Skid> just scanned the bios again after putting the drive back in
[03:45] <njan> Skid, ah :)
[03:45] <Skid> how can I remov ethe drive, and still have it working?
[03:45] <da_bon_bon> Sysace: sorry no idea for ppc
[03:45] <Skid> grub doesn't reference the drive
[03:45] <njan> Skid, you'll have to reconfigure grub
[03:45] <Skid> hmph, how strange
[03:45] <njan> Skid, what other drives do you have, and how are they configured?
[03:45] <Sysace> da_bon_bon:  thanks anyways... any idea where else I could try to get support?
[03:45] <Thom_Holwerda> the ubuntu forums
[03:46] <Thom_Holwerda> post a msg there
[03:46] <Skid> 2 others, master + 2nd slave
[03:46] <Skid> 2nd slave = ubuntu
[03:46] <da_bon_bon> Sysace: #ubuntu-devel the mailing list. the wiki.
[03:46] <njan> Skid, and this is the secondary master?
[03:46] <Skid> i'll have a poke
[03:46] <Sysace> ubuntu-devel via irc right?
[03:46] <Skid> no, this is the primary slave that i've taken out
[03:46] <da_bon_bon> www.ubuntuforums.org - your best choice
[03:46] <njan> Skid, gotcha
[03:46] <Skid> which is odd.
[03:46] <njan> Skid, by default, grub assigns hard drives numbers from hd0 upwards
[03:46] <da_bon_bon> anyone running OOo 2 on oary ?
[03:47] <njan> Skid, it would be my guess that removing your primary slave (which it probably sees as hd1) makes it see your ubuntu drive (which was hd3) as hd2..
[03:47] <da_bon_bon> Sysace: yes.
[03:47] <njan> ..so it's looking for hd3 to boot ubuntu off, and hd3 isn't there, because all of the drives after that one have moved down a number..
[03:47] <Skid> mm
[03:47] <Skid> heh
[03:47] <Skid> probably
[03:47] <da_bon_bon> anyone running OOo 2 on oary ?
[03:47] <njan> Skid, you can reinstall grub fairly easily.
[03:47] <acidmaxd> many people have problems with yesterdays kernel update (kernel-restricted-modules). maybe we should put the explanation on the topic?
[03:47] <da_bon_bon> Skid: grub-install /dev/hda
[03:48] <da_bon_bon> Skid: do grub-update first
[03:48] <thesilverhand> da_bon_bon: i've got OOo 2 on hoary...not exactly using it...but got it to have a look
[03:48] <Thom_Holwerda> acid
[03:48] <njan> Skid, as da_bon_bon points out :)
[03:48] <Thom_Holwerda> acidmaxd, it broke ubuntu-sparc, apparently
[03:48] <Skid> :)
[03:48] <Skid> hda != linux drive
[03:48] <Skid> but i'll sort it from it, thanks
[03:49] <da_bon_bon> thesilverhand: it reqs. kde right ?
[03:49] <acidmaxd> Thom_Holwerda: it broke i386 too :)
[03:49] <Thom_Holwerda> acidmaxd: all arch. got fixed-- except for sparc, so it seems, i posted a new bug on it
[03:50] <acidmaxd> Thom_Holwerda: are we talking about the same issue?
[03:50] <Thom_Holwerda> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6606
[03:54] <acidmaxd> Thom_Holwerda: not the same problem. I am talking about the recent kernel upgrade, released without corespondenting restricted modules. Result: nvidia/ati users cannot start GDM/X
[03:54] <Thom_Holwerda> okay; im not that educated in kernels and such, so i assumed we were talking about the same
[03:55] <SiRrUs> acidmaxd which kernel
[03:55] <acidmaxd> SiRrUs: just a second
[03:56] <Corvus> err. where could i see the boot up log ?
[03:56] <acidmaxd> Corvus: "dmesg"
[03:56] <Corvus> ok, thx
[03:56] <acidmaxd> SiRrUs: 2.6.8.1-5, released yesterday
[03:56] <acidmaxd> 2.6.8.1-5-386
[03:57] <LinuxJones> acidmaxd, there is a new nvidia-glx module for download
[03:57] <SiRrUs> ooh thats why i have not seen the trouble i have 2.6.10-3-686-smp
[03:58] <LinuxJones> acidmaxd,  nvidia-glx reverted back to version 1.0-6111 from August.
[03:59] <AndyR> and very runs too
[03:59] <AndyR> and very nicely it runs too
[04:00] <SiRrUs> :)
[04:02] <acidmaxd> LinuxJones: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. (linux-restricted-modules-2.6-386 kept back)
[04:02] <acidmaxd> acidmaxd: doesn't seem to be in the repos
[04:02] <LinuxJones> acidmaxd, ya I don't know what's up with that. I am still using the vesa driver atm.
[04:03] <acidmaxd> LinuxJones: me too, until this issue is fixed
[04:03] <tritium> acidmaxd, dist-upgrade
[04:03] <LinuxJones> acidmaxd, broken dependencies I guess
[04:03] <tritium> acidmaxd, or explicitly install the l-r-m
[04:03] <acidmaxd> tritium: didn't help either: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[04:03] <tritium> acidmaxd, I was able to install it this morning.
[04:03] <acidmaxd> tritium: unsatisfied depends
[04:03] <tritium> not for me
[04:04] <LinuxJones> acidmaxd, doesn't look good for the stable release of a desktop based distro, but that's what you get with binary only drivers :(
[04:04] <acidmaxd> linux-restricted-modules-2.6-386: Depends: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-5-386 but it is not installable
[04:04] <jacquesmerde> my ubuntu system broke when i did a dist-upgrade. it works now that i've fiddled, but i want to go to a vanilla 5.04. is that possible without reinstalling from scratch?
[04:04] <tritium> acidmaxd, you must have a mirror that isn't updated yet
[04:05] <acidmaxd> tritium: i am using my own ubuntu mirror, synchronized every hour with archive.ubuntulinux.org
[04:05] <tritium> acidmaxd, something is wrong then
[04:05] <LinuxJones> tritium, I am having the same problem
[04:05] <acidmaxd> tritium: yes, the wrong thing is that kernel ABI is changed, and ati and nvidia drivers aren't synchronized with the kernel release yet
[04:06] <tritium> They are fixed now.
[04:06] <tritium> apt-cache policy linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-5-686
[04:06] <tritium> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-5-686:
[04:06] <tritium>   Installed: 2.6.8.1.3-7
[04:06] <Ephemeral> how do i edit my GRUB conf again? after the last Ubuntu updates it seems to have lost my Win2000 entry
[04:07] <acidmaxd> tritium: let's see, resyncing my mirror
[04:07] <tritium> acidmaxd, are you mirroring warty-security?
[04:07] <tritium> LinuxJones, do you have warty-security in your sources.list?
[04:08] <Bandit> tritium you are the man
[04:08] <tritium> Bandit, :)
[04:09] <LinuxJones> tritium, yeah
[04:09] <Tommy> heya
[04:09] <Tommy> i tried installing ubuntu
[04:09] <Tommy> but it can't find my cd-rom drives
[04:09] <Ephemeral> ?
[04:09] <Tommy> how fucked up is that? it installs from cd-rom though can't find them
[04:09] <jacquesmerde> my ubuntu system broke when i did a dist-upgrade. it works now that i've fiddled, but i want to go to a vanilla 5.04. is that possible without reinstalling from scratch?
[04:09] <tritium> Bandit, what did you do?  add warty-security?
[04:09] <tritium> jacquesmerde, dist-upgrade is dangerous
[04:10] <tritium> if used without care
[04:10] <Ephemeral> how do i edit my GRUB conf again? after the last Ubuntu updates it seems to have lost my Win2000 entry
[04:10] <tritium> Ephemeral, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:10] <Skid> nano -w /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:10] <Bandit> tritium not a thing i am perfectly happy and content with hoary...works great for me ;)
[04:10] <tritium> Bandit, ah, cool.  Well, thanks, then!
[04:10] <khinester> how do you update the packages from the shell
[04:11] <Bandit> just enjoy reading the complaints
[04:11] <jacquesmerde> tritium, yeah, i've learnt this....know! but it seems to me linux is all about learning from mistakes. how does one take care with dist-upgrade?
[04:11] <tritium> khinester, "sudo apt-get update"
[04:11] <tritium> jacquesmerde, I told you yesterday about the "-u" switch, and paying attention to what will be removed/installed/replaced...
[04:11] <LinuxJones> khinester, you should check this out >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptgetHowto/
[04:12] <khinester> ok thx
[04:12] <kakorna> Hi, i have a question - what can be wrong if the computer stops at 'Preconfiguring packages...' when im doing 'apt-get install xserver-xfree86', its a 3.2ghz so it should work fine - ive tried both warty and hoary - the CD works fine on my laptop, any sugguestions?
[04:12] <tritium> acidmaxd, what's the story?
[04:13] <tritium> LinuxJones, still no luck?
[04:13] <jacquesmerde> tritium, yeah, but if its gonna remove a package thats important, how do i stop dist-upgrade and get around it?
[04:13] <LinuxJones> tritium, no it's still the same
[04:14] <Ephemeral> how do i write to GRUB/MENU.LST ? im in Nano
[04:14] <tritium> jacquesmerde, say "N" to the apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[04:14] <Ephemeral> ive made my changes
[04:14] <tritium> LinuxJones, I can send the package to you if you want it
[04:14] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, ctrl + o then enter
[04:15] <LinuxJones> tritium, thanks dude I am in no real rush atm and can wait :)
[04:15] <Ephemeral> cant open file for writing
[04:15] <Ephemeral> permission denied
[04:15] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, you need to be in root shell
[04:15] <tritium> LinuxJones, okay
[04:15] <jacquesmerde> so is my best way to get to a vaniall 5.04 now to just wipe my ubuntu partition and reinstall my warty cd?
[04:16] <LinuxJones> Ephemeral, sudo -s (enter your password) nano /boot/grub/whatever
[04:16] <jacquesmerde> tritium, so is my best way to get to a vaniall 5.04 now to just wipe my ubuntu partition and reinstall my warty cd?
[04:16] <khinester> i changed the hosname of the server and now i get an error|'sudo: unable to lookup ubuntu-mp3 via gethostbyname()
[04:16] <SiRrUs> jacquesmerde download and install array4
[04:16] <Ephemeral> ok ta
[04:17] <felix_1> jacquesmerde: 5.04? isn't a Hoary version ?
[04:17] <jacquesmerde> nup, hence dist-upgrade
[04:17] <SiRrUs> jacquesmerde ?
[04:18] <felix_1> jacquesmerde: about your nickname, it is a funny and curious one ... in french...
[04:18] <acidmaxd> tritium: i am mirroring warty-security too
[04:18] <jacquesmerde> whats "array4"? is that a version of 5.04?
[04:18] <tritium> jacquesmerde, "vanilla" 5.04 is kind of a moving target
[04:18] <acidmaxd> tritium: yes, there is updates ... checked 30 mins ago and there was none
[04:19] <tritium> acidmaxd, strange
[04:19] <felix_1> jacquesmerde: I am running array-cd 4 ...
[04:19] <SiRrUs> jacquesmerde take a look at the channel topic
[04:19] <acidmaxd> tritium: now downloading 12 archives
[04:19] <Bandit> tritium damm it man youi did it again ;)
[04:20] <felix_1> tritium: ouch! there is actually 59 update waiting: :-)
[04:20] <tritium> Bandit, heh
[04:20] <tritium> felix_1, okay...
[04:20] <felix_1> tritium: Should I go on woth those updates ? ( hoary repos )
[04:21] <jacquesmerde> tritium, oh yeah. how dies this sound...i do a fresh warty install, change my sources to hoary, then do a aptitude upgrade, but NOT an aptitude dist-upgrade (until hoary is no longer moving target)
[04:21] <tritium> felix_1, why not?
[04:21] <acidmaxd> tritium: The following packages will be upgraded: lesstif2 nvidia-glx
[04:21] <tritium> jacquesmerde, if you really wnat Hoary, I'd use either a daily build or array-4 install CD
[04:21] <SiRrUs> jacquesmerde or an array 4 install same difference
[04:22] <acidmaxd> tritium: linux-restricted-modules-2.6-386 kept back, is this a problem?
[04:22] <felix_1> tritium: I dunno if you are well with nvidia kernel and glx, what if I update linux-image 2.6.10-2 to something higher, is the nvidia-gls will still work?
[04:22] <tritium> acidmaxd, what does "apt-get -u dist-upgrade" want to do?
[04:22] <tritium> felix_1, you're on Hoary?  I have nvidia myself with latest kernel.
[04:22] <acidmaxd> tritium: yeah, i've forgot about dist-upgrade. all OK now :)
[04:22] <acidmaxd> thanks you very much :)
[04:22] <tritium> acidmaxd, excellent :)
[04:22] <jerome_stix> Re bonjours  tous
[04:22] <felix_1> tritium: (H)
[04:23] <tritium> felix_1, yes, the latest kernel and l-r-m are working with nvidia
[04:23] <jerome_stix> Terminator est parti ?
[04:23] <tsjubu> hello: i have a golden tip
[04:23] <tsjubu> after upgrading to hoary
[04:23] <SiRrUs> ah an esound upgrade is up now
[04:23] <jacquesmerde> tritium, SiRrUs, i dont really want hoary that much at all. i want the less broken packages (rhythmbox, etc) of hoary, but gernerally a mroe stable warty system..so wary -> hoary repos  -> upgrade -> NO dist-upgrade?
[04:23] <tsjubu> remove firefox and reinstall it
[04:24] <felix_1> But I am booting with LILO because grub won't install. if I update the kernel, I dunno how the lilo will be screwing my boot installation ...
[04:24] <tsjubu> your firefox will load now more guickly
[04:24] <tritium> jacquesmerde, you can always do daily updates, yes
[04:25] <SiRrUs> tsjubu does that apply to everything or just firefox
[04:25] <jacquesmerde> tritium: what are daily updates? that thing hoary has but warty doesnt?
[04:25] <tritium> jacquesmerde, no
[04:25] <tsjubu> FF
[04:25] <SiRrUs> :)
[04:25] <felix_1> Strange, there is no kernel upgrade, lots gnome and kde stuff, and of course apache2 stuff...
[04:25] <tsjubu> it is more smoothly upstarting
[04:26] <tritium> jacquesmerde, simply apt-get upgrade
[04:26] <tsjubu> and your streams are more stable!!
[04:26] <tsjubu> only FF
[04:26] <SiRrUs> felix_1 what kernel you looking for
[04:26] <tritium> jacquesmerde, you're better off with an Hoary daily build or array install CD
[04:26] <tritium> jacquesmerde, then, just do daily updates & upgrades
[04:27] <aleitner> in what dir does one put custom latex styles, so that they are automatically found?
[04:27] <felix_1> tritium: I have the one installed with arraycd4 (2.6.10-2) I saw 2.6.10-4 avail... I hesite to get those...
[04:27] <felix_1> eho: even 2.6.11 ! :-)
[04:27] <SiRrUs> i couldnt get 2.6.11 to work
[04:28] <felix_1> SiRrUs: Thanks for your hint ! :-)
[04:28] <jacquesmerde> tritium: thanks for you help, i'll do just that (the array option). wanna throw a .torrent link this way?
[04:28] <tritium> jacquesmerde, see the URL in the topic ;)
[04:28] <SiRrUs> but i may try again I  am a sucker for punishment
[04:28] <SiRrUs> anyway brb
[04:28] <felix_1> :-)
[04:28] <jacquesmerde> i did!
[04:29] <tritium> felix_1, you mean linux-image-2.6.10-3?
[04:29] <jacquesmerde> i just saw straight dload links. it must just be my idiocy, i'll look again
[04:29] <tritium> jacquesmerde, torrents are listed at the bottom
[04:30] <felix_1> tritium: yes... whay ?
[04:30] <felix_1> oh! sorry... read why
[04:30] <acidmaxd> tritium: thanks god ubuntu has debian roots :))
[04:30] <acidmaxd> apt is awesome :)
[04:30] <tritium> felix_1, because 2.6.10-3 works just fine with nvidia
[04:30] <jacquesmerde> tritum..ah, thanks...for your patience with me
[04:30] <tritium> acidmaxd, indeed it is
[04:31] <tritium> jacquesmerde, of course, buddy
[04:32] <felix_1> tritium: okay, but 2.6.10-2 run well too actually :-)
[04:32] <tritium> felix_1, it's your call
[04:33] <Bandit> tritium dammit anyway
[04:33] <tritium> Bandit, damn what?
[04:33] <XineL> hello all
[04:34] <gazakii> hi all
[04:34] <XineL> anybody know how to boot into a previous kernel using command line?
[04:34] <acidmaxd> hello
[04:34] <tritium> XineL, grub-reboot with the proper argument
[04:34] <acidmaxd> XineL: you can press Esc on GRUB screen
[04:35] <XineL> so grub-reboot "kernel"
[04:35] <XineL> ?
[04:35] <tritium> XineL, why does it have to be the command line?
[04:35] <gazakii> is there an easy way to configure linux-source for module compiling?
[04:35] <XineL> can't get into gnome
[04:35] <tritium> XineL, but you can use the grub menu
[04:35] <Bandit> ;) I need to go out and shovel the 10cm of snow in my driveway >>> jut had to complain
[04:36] <tritium> XineL, anyway, if you choose the command-line approach, it's "sudo grub-reboot #", where # is the entry you want from /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:36] <XineL> i don;t have a menu that pops up straight away that i know of, it just boots my current kernel
[04:36] <XineL> ah thanx tritium
[04:36] <CarlK> "gurb screen" = the words "grub... press esc for menu"
[04:36] <tritium> XineL, hit Esc or the space bar
[04:36] <shock> now i feel bad - I am running OSX and enjoying it :(
[04:36] <XineL> bbs
[04:36] <shock> to ease my pain - does anyone need help?
[04:36] <tritium> Bandit, don't hurt yourself
[04:36] <shock> :P
[04:37] <adidas[> Not ! sexy.maturesites.net and http://freesex.maturesites.net
[04:37] <adidas[> Not ! sexy.maturesites.net and http://freesex.maturesites.net
[04:37] <Bandit> :) thanks
[04:37] <tritium> :)
[04:37] <Xappe> hmm
[04:37] <gazakii> is there an easy way to configure linux-source for module compiling?
[04:38] <CarlK> "apt-get install gnome" said among other things: "...package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed."
[04:38] <wm_eddie> did the chan just get spamed by a porn site!
[04:38] <meuserj|work> lol
[04:38] <CarlK> where do I file?
[04:38] <tritium> gazakii, most modules can be compiled with linux-headers packages that match your kernel version
[04:39] <meuserj|work> CarlK, bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[04:39] <wm_eddie> CarlK: I don't think we are supposed to install that package.
[04:39] <CarlK> um, what package should I install?
[04:39] <wm_eddie> CarlK: It's also in Universe
[04:39] <wm_eddie> Ubuntu-desktop?
[04:39] <wm_eddie> don't you already have gnome?
[04:39] <jacquesmerde> tritium, sorry to bug you with another question, but i'm used to using aptitude. does synaptic use aptitude's layer or just plain apt?
[04:40] <gazakii> tritium:yeah but this one needs a makefile that contains rules for module compiling
[04:40] <hitu> hey
[04:40] <hitu> *** The command 'cc -o conftest -g   conftest.c' failed.
[04:40] <CarlK> I did a server install - small box, wanted it a bit more custome
[04:40] <hitu> i get that when i tried to do configure on gcc
[04:40] <hitu> what package am i missing ?
[04:40] <CarlK> E: Couldn't find package Ubuntu-desktop
[04:40] <wm_eddie> CarlK: look at the dependencies of ubuntu-desktop
[04:40] <tritium> jacquesmerde, it's just a front-end to apt
[04:41] <wm_eddie> (That capitol U was a type
[04:41] <wm_eddie> typo...)
[04:41] <tritium> gazakii, which module is that?
[04:41] <CarlK> wow... After unpacking 1072MB of additional disk space will be used.
[04:41] <gazakii> Intel 536.
[04:41] <wm_eddie> CarlK: It's not just GNOME but everything Ubuntu comes with installed by default.
[04:42] <XineL> tritium: thanx u saved me
[04:42] <wm_eddie> CarlK: I wonder if there's a way to do apt-get install gnome-*
[04:42] <CarlK> gnomemeeting and samba-common?!
[04:42] <tritium> XineL, :)
[04:42] <CarlK> yeah, this is not what I want...
[04:42] <hitu> anyone ? :|
[04:43] <hitu> ./configure: line 2332: cc: command not found
[04:43] <hitu> *** The command 'cc -o conftest -g   conftest.c' failed.
[04:43] <hitu> *** You must set the environment variable CC to a working compiler.
[04:43] <hitu> what package am i missing ?
[04:43] <tritium> hitu, you're best off installing build-essential
[04:43] <hitu> cool
[04:43] <hitu> yah thats what i did last time too
[04:43] <hitu> ehehe
[04:44] <XineL> ok thanx for the help ppl seeya
[04:44] <jacquesmerde> tritium, so is one better off using aptitude than synaptic?
[04:44] <wm_eddie> CarlK: I'm sure you can use aptitude or something to install a program that depends on a gnome desktop
[04:45] <wm_eddie> and just go with that.
[04:45] <gazakii> i had some probs with the headers. it was looking in the wrong folder. i copied the .h files there. and now it asked for rules for compiling modules that were supposed to be in lib/modulesarch/include/build now i have the linux source package installed. i extrcted the source but apparently it needs configuring. i have o idea what the default 2.6.8.1-3-386 configuration is though
[04:45] <tritium> jacquesmerde, not necessarily.  That's a personal prefernce.  I use apt, myself.
[04:45] <tritium> gazakii, it should be in /boot
[04:46] <CarlK> how do I install firefox?
[04:46] <Nermal> there
[04:46] <Nermal> one more machine on ubuntu :D
[04:46] <tritium> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[04:47] <CarlK> mozilla... thanks
[04:47] <gazakii> i set the makefile to look in /boot but it doesnt seem to find it. do you what it is called? i will try copying it to /lib/modules... dir
[04:47] <tritium> CarlK, do you know how to search for packages with apt-cache search?
[04:47] <khinester> i ma trying to install the libapache2-mod-musicindex, but get an error E: Couldn't find package libapache2-mod-musicindex
[04:47] <tritium> gazakii, config-2.6.8.1-3-686, or whatever your arch is
[04:47] <CarlK> kinda - when I am 3 levels deap in trying to solve a problem I start looking for easy answers
[04:48] <tritium> khinester, is that the only reason you're installing a web server?
[04:48] <khinester> yep
[04:48] <tritium> khinester, gnump3d works without needing a web server
[04:48] <khinester> i need it to be online
[04:48] <tritium> khinester, no problem
[04:49] <CarlK> why does mozilla-firefox depend on libcdparanoia0 ?
[04:49] <khinester> so, how about this error
[04:49] <AngryClip> anyone know why the "sessions" configuration panel thing (that you can get to via gnome-control-panel) always comes up when ubuntu starts?
[04:49] <acidmaxd> khinester: is this a streaming server? a-la shoutcast?
[04:49] <gazakii> tritium:thanks
[04:49] <khinester> yes, i want to have a selections of mp3's
[04:49] <tritium> khinester, anyway, it's an easier way to setup an online server
[04:49] <LinuxJones> AngryClip, because it's set to run @ startup.
[04:49] <Nakah> Hi, I need the ncurses-dev in order to configure my kernel with the "make menuconfig". I've already tryed "apt-get install ncurses-dev".
[04:50] <khinester> tritim, which is?
[04:50] <acidmaxd> i am wondering which themes/icons are you using
[04:50] <acidmaxd> i find the combination of Glider and Gnant very smooth :)
[04:50] <tritium> Nakah, libncurses5-dev
[04:50] <LinuxJones> AngryClip, gnome-session-properties and look in startup programs
[04:51] <AngryClip> LinuxJones: where would that be?
[04:51] <LinuxJones> AngryClip, alt + F2 then start typing gnome-session-properties
[04:51] <Nakah> tritium, I tryed this one but it doesn't found the package
[04:51] <tritium> or Alt-F1 ... Alt-F6
[04:51] <AngryClip> LinuxJones: it is in the "current sessions" tab, but everytime I kill it, it comes back on startup
[04:51] <LinuxJones> AngryClip, it has auto-complete
[04:51] <AngryClip> auto-complete?
[04:52] <AngryClip> alt+f2 doesn't seem to do anything
[04:52] <tritium> Nakah, why are you building your own kernel, anyway?
[04:52] <tritium> AngryClip, Ctrl-Alt-F1
[04:52] <LinuxJones> AngryClip, then under session options tab uncheck automatically save session
[04:52] <AngryClip> it is not in startup programs
[04:52] <Nakah> I need to add some stuff
[04:52] <AngryClip> it is already unckecked LinuxJones
[04:52] <tritium> Nakah, it's not in linux-restricted-modules?
[04:52] <LinuxJones> AngryClip, wtf
[04:53] <AngryClip> indeed
[04:53] <tritium> Nakah, well, that's the package you need
[04:53] <AngryClip> I shall consult google
[04:54] <tritium> Nakah, check that you spelled it right.  It's in main, so you should be able to get it.
[04:55] <linuxboy> Im synaptic, theres a row called S then theres a row with ubuntu logos in it. Whats that about?
[04:55] <Thom_Ubuntu> what version of gnome is currenty in hoary?
[04:55] <Thom_Ubuntu> 2.9.??
[04:55] <tritium> yes
[04:55] <tritium> 2.9.91
[04:55] <Thom_Ubuntu> ah okay, thought so, thanks
[04:55] <Nakah> tritium, I've checked the spelling, but it doesn't found the package ?
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, heya
[04:56] <thoreauputic> hi :)
[04:56] <tritium> Nakah, it's in main.  You can't miss it.
[04:56] <tritium> Nakah, you likely don't even need a custom kernel anyway.
[04:56] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, long time no see :)
[04:56] <Nakah> but I want to test it
[04:56] <lonewolff> i wonder if anyone can help me, i have a friend with a laptop, ATI ac'97 sound but i cant get it to work
[04:57] <Tsjoklat> Nakah, http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#INSTALL-KERNEL-PKG
[04:57] <Tsjoklat> Nakah, there you'll find the info you need
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: ah, well, I've been tweakig my new install :)
[04:57] <LinuxJones> linuxboy, the s is the a checkbox, the ubuntu logo means that the package is maintained by the Ubuntu dev's
[04:57] <thoreauputic> *tweaking
[04:57] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, you tell more? what have you been doing?
[04:57] <CarlK> speaking of sound.. what is the script that help sets up sound?
[04:57] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, minus the first 'you'
[04:58] <Tsjoklat> CarlK, alsaconf --> alsa-utils
[04:58] <CarlK> thanks
[04:58] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: nothing special - just playing with sound mainly - first time I got it working on this box
[04:58] <tritium> alsaconf is not in alsa-utils
[04:58] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, what are you running now?
[04:58] <jacquesmerde> linuxboy: synaptic -> help -> icon legend
[04:58] <Tsjoklat> tritium, it is
[04:58] <tritium> Tsjoklat, no
[04:58] <Tsjoklat> tritium, whatever
[04:59] <tritium> Tsjoklat, perhaps on Warty
[04:59] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: just a bog standard Warty with extras from universe and multiverse
[04:59] <Tsjoklat> CarlK, type: apt-cache search alsaconf and you will get this
[04:59] <Tsjoklat> alsa-utils - ALSA utilities
[04:59] <tritium> dpkg -L alsa-utils will reveal no alsaconf, however
[04:59] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, still not on hoary? I am liking it
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: also had to compile a few things that weren't available, like the latest Fluxbox
[05:00] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, ah I want to give that a try someday
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: I'm on dialup - I'll wait for the release ;)
[05:00] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, be brave.. so am I :P I did a sudo apt-get -d dist-upgrade
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: I use checkinstall to keep track
[05:01] <kakorna> Hi, i have a question - what can be wrong if the computer stops at 'Preconfiguring packages...' when im doing 'apt-get install xserver-xfree86', its a 3.2ghz so it should work fine - ive tried both warty and hoary - the CD works fine on my laptop, any sugguestions?
[05:01] <Tsjoklat> kakorna, what do you mean? you get an error?
[05:01] <tritium> CarlK, if you install alsa-utils, you'll discover that alsaconf is not in the package
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: If you had any idea how I struggled with Debian and Alsa trying to get this sound working - and Ubuntu just did it "out of the box" :)
[05:02] <lonewolff> that is very true
[05:02] <lonewolff> alsaconf is not in alsa-utils
[05:02] <lonewolff> which is why i have a bit of a problem
[05:02] <tritium> lonewolff, I know.  Tsjoklat doesn't believe me
[05:03] <Tsjoklat> thoreauputic, well sound is a bit warped in hoary at the moment.. apparently polyaudio is not all bug free
[05:03] <Bandit> tritium ;)
[05:03] <tritium> Bandit, hey
[05:03] <tritium> Back from shoveling snow?
[05:03] <Tsjoklat> tritium, you got a mission now :)
[05:03] <Bandit> he hasnt seen you in action is all
[05:03] <tritium> Tsjoklat, what's that?
[05:03] <tritium> heh
[05:03] <Xappe> polypaudio is a total mess imo right now
[05:04] <Tsjoklat> tritium, to convince me :)
[05:04] <tritium> Tsjoklat, install it for yourself and see
[05:04] <Tsjoklat> Bandit, were you talking about me?
[05:04] <Bandit> tritium i cheated started the snow blower
[05:04] <tritium> nice
[05:04] <CarlK> cat /usr/lib/menu/alsa-utils shows command="/usr/sbin/su-to-root -p root -c /usr/sbin/alsaconf" but /usr/sbin/alsaconf doesn't exist
[05:04] <tritium> CarlK, I told you so...
[05:04] <Bandit> Tsjoklat yes sir I was
[05:05] <tritium> Tsjoklat, there's your proof
[05:05] <Tsjoklat> Bandit, correction:  he hasnt seen you in action is all should be SHE hasn't seen you in action is all
[05:05] <tritium> CarlK, for Tsjoklat please paste output of "dpkg -L alsa-utils | grep alsaconf"
[05:05] <lonewolff> so is there any other easy way to configure a soundcard (im trying to explain this to someone over msn) seeing as alsaconf doesent exitst
[05:05] <Bandit> ah another one of us
[05:06] <CarlK> tritium - nothing returned
[05:06] <tritium> CarlK, thank you very much :)
[05:07] <tritium> Tsjoklat, Q.E.D
[05:07] <CarlK> but apt-get... says alsa-utils is already the newest version.
[05:07] <Tsjoklat> tritium, translate into?
[05:07] <CarlK> lonewolff - yes - explain to them what IRC is ;)
[05:07] <tritium> Tsjoklat, latin for "that which was to be proved"
[05:08] <Xappe> oh oh, alsaconf wrestling
[05:08] <tritium> Tsjoklat, it's used in mathematical proofs
[05:08] <Tsjoklat> tritium, impressive
[05:08] <Tsjoklat> tritium, marvelous
[05:08] <tritium> Tsjoklat, no, just assumed you knew it
[05:08] <CarlK> and yet, I have no beep... ;)
[05:08] <thoreauputic> I think the Ubuntu maintainer forgot about alsaconf... Debian has it of course
[05:08] <CarlK> i have alsaconf
[05:09] <CarlK> no wait...
[05:09] <CarlK> I have alsactl... got confused
[05:09] <lonewolff> thats the only probs i have with this laptop, pcmcia doesent work and sound doesent work (i thot ac97sound would work out of the box but alas no)
[05:09] <Tsjoklat> well thoreauputic since it is my birthday today I have two options.. either I stay here and be obnoxious and make tritium happy or go and have myself a birthday breakfast.. I opted for the last :) see you soon! take care
[05:10] <tritium> Tsjoklat, happy birthday
[05:10] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, the dev's left it out cause it's too buggy
[05:10] <CarlK> happy Birthgday !
[05:10] <CarlK> Tsjoklat - how close to chicago are you?
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: Happy Birthday!
[05:10] <Tsjoklat> CarlK, errrr about seven hours flying or so? lol
[05:10] <Tsjoklat> and thanks everybody for the birthday wishes
[05:10] <Tsjoklat> be good :)
[05:11] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: yeah, well it didn't help me on Debian, and I didn't need it on Ubuntu....
[05:11] <tritium> Tsjoklat, :)
[05:11] <CarlK> awww... http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/pics/cam/Kelli/cakes/Rachel/small/P1010007.JPG
[05:11] <CarlK> best I could do on short notice
[05:11] <lonewolff> do does anyone know how im goign to get ac97 sound working without aslaconf?
[05:12] <Bandit> lonewolff you dint get anysound at all? even when you login
[05:12] <CarlK> lonewolff - same as me: hum
[05:13] <Xappe> hmm. new updates: esound-clients, esound-common, libesd0, libesd0-dev...
[05:13] <Bandit> Xappe they are trouble
[05:14] <CarlK> i think something removed esound
[05:14] <tritium> CarlK, yes, polypaudio replaced it if you upgraded ubuntu-desktop
[05:14] <lonewolff> hmm i just saw a post on the forum that says ati ac97 works in hoary i shall try a dist-upgrade
[05:14] <tritium> CarlK, if you dist-upgraded you may not have noticed this
[05:14] <CarlK> I didn't do ubuntu-desktop
[05:15] <tritium> CarlK, if you didn't dist-upgrade, then you should still have esound
[05:15] <CarlK> um, should I do dist-upgrade?
[05:16] <tritium> it's up to you
[05:16] <tritium> polypaudio might not work for you
[05:16] <CarlK> damm, landed in my coffee cup
[05:16] <tritium> in fact, will probably not work for you
[05:16] <tritium> it's more of a poopaudio at the moment
[05:17] <CarlK> poop?  tee hee
[05:17] <lonewolff> hmm so its  not worth upgrading to try to get sound to work then .....
[05:17] <tritium> lonewolff, you can, but I recommend esound until the poopaudio issue is resolved
[05:18] <lonewolff> ok, is there a config program for esound?
[05:19] <CarlK> well, we don't really need alsaconf to make it work, thats just a handy config generator, right?
[05:19] <tritium> not that I recall, and I don't have it installed anymore to check
[05:19] <jdub> tritium: what's your problem with polypaudio?
[05:19] <lonewolff> i just need a way to get this persons sound working for them
[05:20] <lonewolff> i dont have ubuntu installed here so i cant try things :S
[05:20] <CarlK> lonewolff - why don't they join this channel?
[05:20] <tritium> jdub, #define MAX_CONNECTIONS 10
[05:21] <jdub> tritium: ...
[05:21] <jdub> tritium: boggle :)
[05:21] <tritium> jdub, /var/log/messagesL protocol-esound.c: Warning! Too many connections (10), dropping incoming connections
[05:21] <jdub> haha
[05:21] <jdub> what on earth are you running?
[05:22] <tritium> nothing, really
[05:22] <tritium> Xappe, you're getting the same thing, correct?
[05:22] <tritium> And another yesterday was getting the same thing,
[05:22] <tritium> All I've got open right now is gaim
[05:23] <lonewolff> would alsaconf deom a debian repo work on ubuntu?
[05:23] <lonewolff> s/deom/from
[05:23] <jdub> tritium: c'mon, more than ten clients?
[05:23] <crimsun_> lonewolff: please don't use alsaconf, it's broken in many ways
[05:24] <tritium> jdub, I get that message simply on startup
[05:24] <lonewolff> well how am i going to get sound to work then?
[05:24] <CarlK> lonewolff - why don't they join this channel?
[05:24] <tritium> The only things in my session are terminals and gaim
[05:25] <Nakah> has someone managed to use madwifi drivers ?
[05:25] <netmonk> hello! i just upgraded to hoary and have problem with locale settings. any ideas?
[05:25] <crimsun_> lonewolff: need lspci -v information (only the relevant sound line)
[05:25] <racoontje|clone> Wow, evilwm rocks.
[05:25] <CarlK> tritium - stop trying to do voip with all of your gaim contacts ;)
[05:26] <tritium> CarlK, heh
[05:26] <tritium> Xappe, buddy, where are you?
[05:26] <lonewolff> crimsun_: on its way
[05:26] <thoreauputic> $ netmonk , maybe sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales for a start...
[05:26] <priest> what is voip? ip-telephone?
[05:26] <Xappe> tritium, last time i checked there were some polypaudio modules not loading and so on and forth
[05:26] <CarlK> Voice Over IP
[05:27] <priest> CarlK: is there gaim support for that?
[05:27] <Xappe> here I am Don tritiumo
[05:27] <CarlK> priest - I have no clue really
[05:27] <priest> CarlK: ok..
[05:27] <tritium> Xappe, so, you no longer have the same messages in /var/log/messages?
[05:27] <CarlK> lscpi dosn't show any sound, but lspnp shows 05 ESS0004 multimedia controller: audio ; 06 ESS1878 multimedia controller: audio
[05:28] <Xappe> tritium, i'll check, hold on
[05:28] <lonewolff> crimsun_: 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller
[05:28] <racoontje|clone> lonewolff, intel-i810
[05:28] <racoontje|clone> lonewolff, for alssa
[05:28] <racoontje|clone> ehh alsa
[05:29] <lonewolff> so modprobe intel-i810 should do it for a test?
[05:29] <tritium> jdub, you don't honestly think I'm running several audio clients...
[05:29] <crimsun_> lonewolff: you need a newer version of ALSA, unfortunately there's no good way of getting those packages built. I will mark this a high priority problem and have a solution for you in 8 hours.
[05:29] <netmonk> thoreauputic, i get: perl warning: setting locale failed
[05:29] <crimsun_> lonewolff: you need to use the 'snd-atiixp' module.
[05:30] <lonewolff> crimsum_: ok
[05:30] <Xappe> tritium, lots of "protocol-esound.c: read() failed: EOF "
[05:30] <crimsun_> Xappe: polypaudio is being invoked from gnome-session; you're not manually starting it, are you?
[05:31] <thoreauputic> netmonk: have you tried re-running base-config ?
[05:31] <tritium> crimsun, similar problems here
[05:31] <crimsun_> Xappe: does Desktop>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Default Sink>ESD>Test work for you?
[05:31] <crimsun_> tritium: ^^
[05:31] <netmonk> thoreauputic, how?
[05:31] <tritium> crimsun, no, doesn't work
[05:32] <thoreauputic> netmonk: err... by typing  base-config ? sudo base-config I suppose...
[05:32] <crimsun_> tritium: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022670.html
[05:32] <tritium> heck, Multimedia System Selector crashes
[05:32] <tritium> crimsun, thanks, I'll try that after my lunch meeting. I need to go now.
[05:32] <Xappe> crimsun, well, acually i haven't played around so much with it. but i should not have to either...have it turned off right now, waiting for updates...
[05:32] <tritium> Thanks again.
[05:34] <crimsun_> lonewolff: I presume this is occurring under Warty?
[05:34] <crimsun_> lonewolff: (it's moot under Hoary, because the ALSA version in Hoary is new enough)
[05:35] <qlo-xael> Hi, i just tried compiling something in ubuntu and there is no gcc
[05:35] <Xappe> crimsun, but i'll try that
[05:35] <lonewolff> crimsun_: yeah under warty
[05:35] <qlo-xael> is this a mistake did the install not work correctly?
[05:35] <crimsun_> qlo-xael: absolutely not a mistake. Not every desktop user needs gcc.  sudo aptitude install build-essential
[05:35] <linuxboy> How do I play DVDs in ubuntu? what must i install ?
[05:36] <crimsun_> linuxboy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[05:36] <netmonk> thoreauputic, it just asked about GMT and Area for time zone: Europe
[05:36] <crimsun_> linuxboy: err, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:36] <thoreauputic> by the way, for any devs listening - having the gnome-cd player start up by default is kind of annoying if you can only use digital output for CD playing - I take it gnome-cd has no digital option?
[05:36] <qlo-xael> oh thank god, i was afraid ubuntu didnt like compiling or something
[05:37] <thoreauputic> netmonk: hmm... there should be something you can run that will let you chose your locale - maybe someone else knows?
[05:37] <qlo-xael> crimsun_ any other commands i should run from a fresh install
[05:37] <qlo-xael> .. installed ubuntu last night
[05:37] <crimsun_> qlo-xael: might want to check the guide (see /topic)
[05:38] <qlo-xael> is there any command to use the mouse in the console?
[05:38] <qlo-xael> not finding gpm
[05:38] <sc_> I have a problem with my screen resolution. It is set at 1024x768, but when i try to change it to the supported 1400x1050 it "repeats" the different parts of the screen. Anyone can help me? Or need more info?
[05:39] <crimsun_> qlo-xael: 'gpm' is in 'universe'
[05:39] <qlo-xael> no comprende, what is universe?
[05:39] <crimsun_> qlo-xael: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[05:39] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: if you are going tpo compile stuff, enable universe and multiverse
[05:40] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: synaptic, look for "repositories"
[05:40] <Xappe> off@reboot
[05:40] <qlo-xael> my apologies, slackware is the only linux i've used, debian is sorta foreign
[05:40] <crimsun_> qlo-xael: the FAQ in the topic is a good place to start.
[05:40] <qlo-xael> thanks
[05:41] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: and I suggest you also install "checkinstall"
[05:41] <netmonk> thoreauputic, it tells me: please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = "en_GB:en_US", LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en" are supported and installed on your system. Perl: warning: Falling back to the standart locale ("C"). locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: no such file or directory (and the same message for LC-MESSAGES and LC_ALL
[05:43] <thoreauputic> netmonk: this is Warty? rather surprising: are you sure you answered the questions in th einstall correctly?
[05:43] <timothy> I have windows partitions mounted successfully and can access them through their mounted location, but they aren't showing up in my 'Disks' window, does anyone know why?
[05:43] <bluefoxicy> well that was unstable
[05:43] <bluefoxicy> I closed one window and 5 programs all closed.
[05:43] <netmonk> thoreauputic, i just upgraded to hoary
[05:44] <thoreauputic> timothy: you have them in /etc/fstab?
[05:44] <thoreauputic> netmonk: ah, well, you get to keep the pieces then, I guess ;)
[05:45] <qlo-xael> This is an odd problem, I have ubuntu on my laptop with a touchpad type of mouse, the buttons worked, but tapping the pad which usually denotes a single click doesnt work.
[05:45] <timothy> thoreauputic: yes, and after mounting they do appear where they are supposed to (/mnt/win) but not in along with the other mounted disks
[05:45] <qlo-xael> any suggestions?
[05:46] <qlo-xael> also, after running xf86config, the /dev/mouse link disappears and i am having one hell of a time getting the mouse working again
[05:46] <thoreauputic> timothy: just guessing, but I suspect a syntax error in /etc/fstab
[05:47] <timothy> thoreauputic: well, if it helps, these are the lines I appended: /dev/hda1       /mnt/win        ntfs    defaults,uid=1000   0       0                   /dev/sda1       /mnt/winsata    ntfs    defaults,uid=1000   0       0
[05:47] <timothy> with /dev/sda1 beginning a new line
[05:47] <timothy> do you see anything?
[05:48] <Bandit> tritium if your still here do you know how to correct this error/  your session only lasted 10sec......?
[05:48] <jamin> Bandit, I'm having the same problem after doing an apt-get upgrade this morning.  really annoying and I can't find any errors in the log files
[05:48] <thoreauputic> timothy: try   noauto,users,exec,ro,uid=1000,gid=1000  0 0
[05:49] <Bandit> jamin yep thats what happened to me as well
[05:49] <qlo-xael> What boot loader does ubuntu use and where is its configuration file?
[05:49] <meuserj|work> wierd error.. I'm attempting to try out polypaudio, but when I enable esd in gconf, it kills my icon and gtk themes
[05:49] <myzt1qu3> i want some help with my linux OS
[05:49] <Get> How I do for remove a startup script to start when the computer start?
[05:49] <timothy> thoreauputic: wow, that worked. Thanks
[05:49] <Xappe> damnit, can't logon to gnome after reboot
[05:50] <Bandit> Xappe same here
[05:50] <jamin> that makes three of us now
[05:50] <Bandit> i told you those d/l were trouble
[05:50] <meuserj|work> I can fix it... you need to remove the enable_esd in your gconf
[05:50] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: grub, in /boot/grub/menu.lst from memory
[05:50] <Xappe> Bandit: didn't think they were that bad
[05:50] <Bandit> Xappe> hmm. new updates: esound-clients, esound-common, libesd0, libesd0-dev...
 Xappe they are trouble
[05:50] <meuserj|work> happened to me too
[05:50] <Bandit> lol
[05:50] <blah09> cant you just reinstall esound?
[05:51] <meuserj|work> might work.. but I don't usually use esound, so I didn't go that route
[05:51] <qlo-xael> How do i change my console font to say 800x600?
[05:51] <Xappe> hmm, now I have to learn irssi ;)
[05:51] <netmonk> how do I uninstall package form the console?
[05:52] <qlo-xael> thanks thoreauputic, btw
[05:52] <racoontje|clone> evilwm rocks!!1!1
[05:52] <meuserj|work> sudo apt-get install packagename
[05:52] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: no worries :)
[05:52] <r3v3rb> how come synaptic isn't a gtk2 themeable application ?
[05:52] <thoreauputic> netmonk: sudo apt-get remove packagename
[05:52] <blah09> the fact taht you have to run it as root would be my guess
[05:52] <r3v3rb> wierd considering most other system apps are
[05:53] <Nermal> meuserj|work, how did you get round the esound problem ?
[05:53] <kent> r3v3rb, it is.
[05:53] <qlo-xael> How do i change my console font?
[05:53] <r3v3rb> doesnt look like the rest of my apps
[05:53] <r3v3rb> crappy buttons and icons
[05:53] <r3v3rb> compared to the rest
[05:53] <Nermal> is there a workaround for the esound problem ?
[05:54] <Nermal> why would it stop people logging into gnome ?
[05:54] <meuserj|work> I went into my gconf directory (~/.gconf) and edited the xml file "gnome/sound/%gconf.xml"
[05:54] <meuserj|work> and set enable_esd to false
[05:54] <kent> r3v3rb, im not sure if it defaults to that. Have you changed something, like allowing the use of root?
[05:54] <thoreauputic> r3v3rb: try a different theme, or look in the icons for your theme and replace them
[05:54] <Nermal> meuserj|work, all ok then ? :)
[05:54] <meuserj|work> yeah
[05:55] <Nermal> cheers :)
[05:57] <qlo-xael> Would anyone know why my /dev/mouse link would disappear after running xf86config?
[05:57] <CarlK> looks like snd-es18xx.ko is for my "ESS1878 multimedia controller" - do I just put snd-es18xx in /etc/modules?
[05:57] <Xappe> hmm, how do you connect to a second irc server with irssi?
[05:58] <thenuke> /server +new.server
[05:58] <Xappe> thenuke: ok
[05:58] <Xappe> thnx
[05:59] <Bandit> anyone know of a fix to "your session only lated 10 seconds"
[05:59] <thoreauputic> Get: if you're still ther, read about update-rc,d (there's a maual page)
[05:59] <thoreauputic> *there
[05:59] <thoreauputic> update-rc.d sorry
[06:00] <Get> thoreauputic: k, thanks :)
[06:00] <thoreauputic> Get: it isn't hard to use, but you need to read about it first :)
[06:01] <Get> thoreauputic: should the link still be in the rcX.d dir?
[06:02] <thoreauputic> Get: in /etc/init.d - search the man page for "REMOVING SCRIPTS" (I have it in front of me)
[06:03] <qlo-xael> Anyone know what file defines which console font will be used?
[06:03] <thoreauputic> Get: the rc.d scripts and init.d scripts are linked
[06:04] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: with lilo, you can specify the font in lilo.conf - don't know about grub
[06:04] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: it's done with a numbe code in lilo.conf, as I recall
[06:04] <thoreauputic> *number
[06:05] <qlo-xael> lilo i know how to do
[06:05] <qlo-xael> grub, this mystifies me
[06:05] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: heh - yeah I'm new to grub too :)
[06:05] <njan> grub's far simpler
[06:05] <njan> lilo is a pita
[06:05] <Echylo> yaay full ubuntu now! :D
[06:05] <qlo-xael> do you know njan how i specify a console font with grub?
[06:06] <njan> qlo-xael, no clue, never tried :)
[06:06] <Echylo> lol
[06:06] <Bandit> Echylo just dont do an updat today if your running hoary
[06:06] <Echylo> ?
[06:06] <Echylo> I have warthy
[06:06] <njan> Bandit, why noT?
[06:06] <njan> s/noT/not/
[06:06] <Bandit> cause you will crash and burn
[06:06] <Echylo> I still have those shipped cd's
[06:07] <thoreauputic> njan: Hoary is broken, as usual for a development distro :)
[06:07] <Bandit> no just the last update i did today
[06:07] <tolstoy> downloaded updates today (not even a new kernel) and now X won't start!  Get all the way to the gnome splash screen.
[06:07] <Bandit> other then that hoary is great
[06:07] <Echylo> it even detects my extra buttons on a microsoft keyboard
[06:07] <tolstoy> hoary, of course.
[06:08] <njan> thoreauputic, good to know. No-one told me :)
[06:08] <Bandit> you to tolstoy?
[06:08] <Bandit> njan I just did
[06:08] <twisted_steel> my gnome session won't start so I have to use the ttys :)
[06:08] <tolstoy> Bandit: you're experiencing that?  Phew!  Good to know it's not JUST my system.
[06:08] <Bandit> there are about 5 or 6 of us now
[06:09] <thoreauputic> twisted_steel: apt-get install fluxbox ;)
[06:09] <Bandit> numbers are building :)
[06:09] <tolstoy> so it's a gnome-session issue, eh?
[06:09] <tolstoy> at least I know what to look for via apt-get.
[06:09] <Bandit> seems to be
[06:09] <twisted_steel> thoreauputic: just a problem with hoary, that's all :)
[06:09] <tolstoy> I even tried a different kernel. heh heh.
[06:09] <twisted_steel> thoreauputic: I do need to put one of those on my machine at some point
[06:09] <Bandit> I reinstalled :(
[06:09] <thoreauputic> twisted_steel: yes, goes with the territory I guess
[06:10] <thoreauputic> twisted_steel: I compiled the recent version on Warty - using flux as we speak
[06:10] <thoreauputic> 0.9.12
[06:11] <Bandit> Xappe any luck?
[06:11] <Xappe> i booted to windows
[06:11] <Bandit> yuk ;)
[06:11] <Xappe> mhm
[06:11] <Xappe> first time in nonths
[06:11] <Xappe> *months
[06:11] <thoreauputic> I have  a checkinstall deb for it if anyone is interested - but it's for warty I guess
[06:11] <Echylo> I just deleted windows :D
[06:12] <qlo-xael> It doesnt appear grub has anything to do with the console font in use, does anyone know of any way to change my console font in ubuntu
[06:12] <Xappe> Bandit, did you get into gnome?
[06:12] <Bandit> Xappe i am but i didnt update, SiRrUs updated and cant get into gnome
[06:12] <Bandit> stupid bugger :)
[06:13] <Xappe> mhm
[06:13] <twisted_steel> thoreauputic: I'm patiently waiting for enlightenment - haven't used it since it was set as default in gnome 1.x
[06:13] <tolstoy> I wouldn't mind the TTY so much but I can never get ubuntu to shut off the terminal bell.  the setting in inputrc makes no diff
[06:13] <Echylo> hmm, I search a program to connect to a news server, and that has the ability to downlad
[06:13] <Echylo> download*
[06:13] <tolstoy> Echylo, pan?
[06:13] <Echylo> pan?
[06:13] <Echylo> just like that?
[06:14] <thoreauputic> twisted_steel: ah, yes - they say E17 moght even be out before Longhorn ! </joke>
[06:14] <thoreauputic> *might
[06:14] <twisted_steel> thoreauputic: heh
[06:14] <tolstoy> pan, a gnomeish newsreader, lets you download binaries, puts 'em together, etc.
[06:14] <Echylo> tolstoy, what do you mean?
[06:14] <scoon> anyone in hoary having gnome crash becuase of a locale problem ?
[06:14] <tolstoy>  scoon, it's crashing for me.  didn't know it was a locale prob, tho.
[06:15] <thoreauputic> Echylo: pan is quite a nice app - sudo apt-get install pan
[06:15] <Echylo> can I download?
[06:15] <Bandit> scoon many of us
[06:15] <Echylo> can the program download I mean
[06:15] <Xappe> it does not crash for me, because i can't get into gnome at all ;(
[06:15] <tolstoy> Echylo, download what?
[06:15] <Echylo> stuff
[06:15] <tolstoy> Xappe, ditto.
[06:15] <Echylo> you can download through newservers
[06:15] <tolstoy> Echylo, yes.  You can "save attachments".
[06:15] <mirak> what services in the runlevel 2 are trying to acces to the pci bus ?
[06:16] <Echylo> ok
[06:16] <Echylo> thanks
[06:16] <tolstoy> Echylo, it's easy enough to install it, try it out.
[06:16] <Echylo> won't be the last question ;)
[06:16] <Echylo> yea already installing
[06:16] <Echylo> :p
[06:16] <mirak> what ubuntu is doing that is different from a debian in runlevel 2 ?
[06:16] <Echylo> I prefer the synaptic package manager
[06:16] <Echylo> :p
[06:16] <Echylo> instead of terminal
[06:16] <thoreauputic> Echylo: type apt-cache show pan to read about it, enable universe, then install it with synaptic or just sudo apt-get install pan
[06:16] <scoon> Bandit, and tolstoy good to know that i am not the only one.  any leads on fixing it ?
[06:16] <tolstoy> Echylo, sounds good, but hard to describe on irc.
[06:17] <Bandit> lets see if this fixes it
[06:17] <Bandit> I will let you know in a couple mins
[06:17] <tolstoy> scoon, I've heard nothing.  Just tried LOCALE=C startx.  Blah.
[06:17] <qlo-xael> What is that command that lets me start usin gcc?
[06:17] <scoon> tolstoy, that sux.  I bet it will get resolved in a few hours.
[06:17] <marcin_ant> hi folks do you know something about problems with win xp and ubuntu?
[06:18] <marcin_ant> I installed ubuntu and then win xp and after reboot I got "no system disk found"
[06:18] <Xappe> my dual boot is working just fine
[06:18] <thoreauputic> qlo-xael: be more specific? sudo apt-get install build-essential?
[06:18] <Webpit> If one has ideas to improve some of the modules in Ubuntu/Debian like printer install, Nautilus, how the heck do you find out where to go to contribute?
[06:18] <qlo-xael> thats the one, thans
[06:18] <CarlK> has modules.conf been replaced?
[06:18] <qlo-xael> thanks
[06:18] <Echylo> marcin_ant, you should check your grub file
[06:18] <dr_willis> Hmm.  I got a new machine with a Via-SATA Raid built in. with 2 hard drives in a raid all ready set up (xp is on it now) about to trash xp and install linux. Sould i be watching out for any problems with this setup?
[06:18] <tolstoy> scoon, I wish I knew which deb to backport to.
[06:18] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: win has tried to wipe your mbr
[06:18] <Webpit> dr_willis
[06:18] <Webpit> yes
[06:19] <Webpit> be sure you research the driver issue
[06:19] <dr_willis> Webpit,  :P thats why i am asking here befor i do it. lol :p
[06:19] <Webpit> i had a nightmare with this recently
[06:19] <Webpit> and ended up sticking with windows 2003 server :(
[06:19] <Xappe> Bandit, have to go. send me a query if you see any fixes to the gnome problem
[06:19] <Bandit> nope there were some new gnome updates but they didnt help
[06:19] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: you need to install win first - or do a lot of fiddling if you don't - windows doesn't recognise any other OS
[06:19] <dr_willis> Webpit,  I got an ide drive also in the box.  I had tried install ing linux to it.. it isntalled. but then the system dident boot. Grub some how dident boot the right drive or somthing.
[06:19] <Webpit> what i have been able to find out is... SATA RAID drivers are "experimental" at best in linux
[06:20] <tolstoy> Bandit, system tools?  Yeah, I was hoping against common sense, too.
[06:20] <Echylo> thoreauputic, I think I would work if he would reinstall ubuntu at the same partition
[06:20] <Echylo> then it recognizes windows
[06:20] <dr_willis> Webpit,  lol :P i could just disable the raid controller and use the 2 sata in a non-raid i guess.
[06:20] <Echylo> and it will configure grub for him
[06:20] <Bandit> :) they will come soon
[06:20] <dr_willis> Webpit,  i think they are experimental in windows XP also.. they just dont tell you that.  Lol
[06:20] <tolstoy> how do you turn off the terminal bell (in tty mode) for backspace?
[06:20] <tbenita> hi, I get a message saying that /lib/iptables/libipt_nat.so: isn't available ; is there nat support in the ubuntu kernel ?
[06:20] <Webpit> the stuff i've read and i have no way to back this up... speculation i guess... that the manufacturers product crappy linux drivers simply to have "linux drivers"
[06:21] <thoreauputic> Echylo: I'm not going to attempt to explain chroot to him, so a reinstall is simpler
[06:21] <Webpit> i read an article this guy benchmarked his computer with Win2k and linux drivers ... linux drivers performed horribly
[06:21] <thoreauputic> Echylo: just to get his mbr working
[06:21] <Nic> hi
[06:21] <Nic> Webpit, which driver?
[06:21] <Xappe> omg, the fonts in windows look ugly
[06:21] <pocket> hile, is there somebody who knows how to uninstall a deb package manually?
[06:21] <Webpit> i bought two supermicro servers with the adaptec marvel H1 chipset
[06:22] <pocket> pls PN me
[06:22] <marcin_ant> Echylo: I don't have access to my grub file
[06:22] <Webpit> well, supermicro says that their drivers are not available on kernel 2.6
[06:22] <Webpit> only < 2.4.8
[06:22] <Echylo> marcin
[06:22] <Echylo> reinstall ubuntu
[06:22] <Echylo> at the same partition
[06:22] <marcin_ant> Echylo: I just did
[06:22] <Webpit> well that was it for ubuntu, CentOS etc
[06:22] <Echylo> ow
[06:22] <thoreauputic> pocket: dpkg -r packagename
[06:22] <qlo-xael> is it wise to allow ubuntu's install program to partition your hard drive as it sees fit?
[06:22] <Echylo> and after that you installed XP ?
[06:22] <marcin_ant> Echylo: and I had "critical error" trying to install grub
[06:23] <Echylo> ow sorry then I can't help you, my knowledge doesn't reaches that far :p
[06:23] <Webpit> So willis, what im saying is check Via's website for exact match of your kernel and their driver
[06:23] <minimec> Hi. It seems that my dpkg database is broken (error 10). Well that's what I learned when I 'googles' around. The problem is, that I don't know how to fix that. May be you know the answer?
[06:23] <pocket> this wont work.. i have tried.. it is the sun J2sdk.. and it tries to remove a file which isnt there and breaks up then..
[06:24] <Echylo> wooow lovely
[06:24] <Echylo> usenet downs @ 300kbs
[06:24] <Echylo> pan rules!
[06:24] <Webpit> still there willis?
[06:24] <Webpit> ubuntu rules!
[06:24] <marcin_ant> Echylo: now I got lilo - but no access to XP
[06:24] <Echylo> hmm as I said, I don't know much from bootloaders
[06:24] <Echylo> have you checked the ubuntu site?
[06:25] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: I installed ubuntu first on entire partition
[06:26] <marcin_ant> then I installed XP (repartitioned hdd - 40 GB - 5GB ubuntu, 5GB XP, ~30 data)
[06:26] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: frankly, I would reinstall windows and then reinstall linux - that's the order you should have used: otherwise you will be tearing your hair out
[06:26] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: I did !
[06:26] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: the problem is that when I reboot after XP installation
[06:26] <Webpit> windows will always install its MBR over yours, but grub is nicer about it
[06:26] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: then I got "no operating system"
[06:26] <Echylo> marcin_ant, FIRST Windows XP THEN Linux
[06:26] <Webpit> oh, marcin
[06:26] <Webpit> one more thing
[06:27] <Webpit> make sure windows is the FIRST partition
[06:27] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: the order is IMPORTANT
[06:27] <Echylo> Webpit, that doesn't matter
[06:27] <Echylo> I installed XP on the 3rth
[06:27] <Webpit> it doesnt?
[06:27] <marcin_ant> guys I'll write this again:
[06:27] <Webpit> used to
[06:27] <Echylo> and it worked
[06:27] <Webpit> ;)
[06:27] <Webpit> i may be old and senile
[06:27] <Echylo> it has to be installed on the first HD
[06:27] <marcin_ant> I installed ubuntu on entire hdd
[06:27] <Webpit> ah thats it
[06:27] <Webpit> right
[06:27] <Echylo> :)
[06:27] <Echylo> you are old? ;p
[06:27] <marcin_ant> then I removed this parition and created new partitions 5+5+30
[06:28] <marcin_ant> installed XP on first partition and rebooted
[06:28] <marcin_ant> and then "no operating system found"
[06:28] <Echylo> marcin
[06:28] <marcin_ant> I booted from ubuntu cd
[06:28] <Echylo> install XP and leave free space for ubuntu
[06:28] <Echylo> then install ubuntu on the remaining space
[06:28] <marcin_ant> installed ubuntu bu I had "critical error" trying to install grub
[06:29] <Webpit> the only partitioning you ned to do for ubuntu at minimum is swap and an ext3 for the / mount point
[06:29] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: I think your partition table is foo - bar
[06:29] <tolstoy> hm. maybe ubuntu forums has some hints about gnome tanking.
[06:29] <sw0> hi
[06:29] <Echylo> fubar
[06:30] <Webpit> fubar
[06:30] <Echylo> "fucked up beyond all repair" then
[06:30] <thoreauputic> Echylo: whatever ;)
[06:30] <Echylo> :p
[06:30] <Webpit> hahahaha
[06:30] <Webpit> thats my seagate hard drive
[06:30] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: hmm now I got ubuntu - with LILO
[06:30] <Echylo> loool
[06:30] <Webpit> $2700 for data recovery can you believe that
[06:30] <Echylo> got a maxtor
[06:30] <Echylo> I don't do recovery's :p
[06:30] <Echylo> I redownload
[06:30] <Webpit> ha
[06:31] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: so what should I do to remove lilo and install grub and add XP to grub configuration?
[06:31] <marcin_ant> thoreauputic: what is the procedure to replace lilo with grub?
[06:31] <Webpit> search for grub install
[06:31] <Nic> marcin_ant, just remove xp and install linux only
[06:31] <Webpit> it'll do it
[06:31] <Nic> you'll have more space and it'll be easier
[06:31] <Webpit> lol
[06:31] <Echylo> haha
[06:32] <Echylo> and then you come back and ask for emulators/alternatives etc
[06:32] <Webpit> google has the answers to life's questions
[06:32] <marcin_ant> Nic: ha ha ha - not funny at tall
[06:32] <marcin_ant> s/tall/all
[06:32] <Webpit> marcin
[06:32] <Webpit> what can you do in windows tha tyou cant do in linux?
[06:32] <Nic> marcin_ant, I didn't want to be funny, sorry
[06:32] <Webpit> heck i just converted a week ago and im not going back
[06:32] <Echylo> damn thats kewl
[06:32] <thoreauputic> *sigh* - It would be a pain to go through all this on IRC - but basically grub install should work - if nor you can use a floppy with grub on it
[06:32] <Echylo> being funny if you don't want too :p
[06:32] <Nic> marcin_ant, that's what I do actually, and thats what a lot of ppl do here as well
[06:32] <Webpit> albeit theres a learning curve
[06:32] <marcin_ant> Webpit: why do you thing that this installation is for me?
[06:33] <Echylo> step 1: Cool down
[06:33] <Webpit> well i dont know your background, but i understand your pain
[06:33] <Echylo> step 2: format your HD
[06:33] <marcin_ant> Nic: this machine is for my customer which is Photoshop and Corel user
[06:33] <Webpit> ah
[06:33] <Echylo> step 3: Install XP & leave space for Ubuntu
[06:33] <Webpit> well
[06:33] <Nic> marcin_ant, I see
[06:33] <Webpit> you should look at Gimp
[06:33] <Echylo> step 4: Install Ubuntu & reboot
[06:33] <Webpit> its wonderful
[06:33] <Echylo> Step 5: Keep breathing and hope
[06:33] <Webpit> butyou cant convert your customer
[06:33] <Webpit> thats for sure
[06:33] <marcin_ant> Webpit: again - it is not funny
[06:33] <Webpit> who's laughing
[06:34] <Echylo> me!
[06:34] <Echylo> me!
[06:34] <marcin_ant> Webpit: my customer works in printing house he cannot use gimp
[06:35] <Echylo> ooh
[06:35] <Echylo> install photoshop on his linux
[06:35] <Echylo> corel sucks anyway
[06:35] <dredg> marcin_ant: so why is he trying to use linux? right tool for the job and all that, and clearly in this case linux is not the right tool for the job
[06:35] <marcin_ant> Echylo: but he needs Corel because he gets files from his customers in corel format
[06:35] <Echylo> I see
[06:36] <Echylo> then you follow my 5 steps ^
[06:36] <marcin_ant> dredg: because he wants to learn linux
[06:36] <Nic> its too bad. so many ppl are forced to use windows for their work :p
[06:36] <marcin_ant> dredg: and I want him to switch to linux for web/mail/office etc.
[06:36] <Echylo> and you have to install it?
[06:36] <Echylo> that's not the way you learn linux
[06:36] <Echylo> :p
[06:37] <marcin_ant> Echylo: he is 55 y. old guy
[06:37] <Nic> Echylo, well he can use it, it isnt a bad thing
[06:37] <Webpit> ugh
[06:37] <Webpit> marcin, walk away from that
[06:37] <marcin_ant> Echylo: he doesn't want to learn linux in the way you think
[06:37] <Webpit> he will break you in "how do you do this, how do i do that" i know... my father wanted to "learn linux" translate:  wanted me to teach him
[06:37] <marcin_ant> Echylo: he just want "virus free" mail etc.
[06:37] <Nic> Echylo, yep it's hard learning when you're old. same for my parents. my dad want to use it, but I guess he wouldn't be able to install it
[06:38] <Bandit> Nic i am old
[06:38] <Echylo> marcin
[06:38] <Echylo> virus free mail
[06:38] <Echylo> install thunderbird
[06:38] <Echylo> antivir
[06:38] <Echylo> firefox
[06:38] <Echylo> zone alarm
[06:38] <marcin_ant> Webpit: I switched him to mozilla thunderbird and firefox already and open office
[06:38] <Echylo> he won't have troubles
[06:38] <Echylo> ow
[06:38] <Echylo> damn
[06:39] <Nic> well, if you're free time, you can have time to learn. when you are busy with your work, it's quite hard
[06:39] <Echylo> ok I understand
[06:39] <marcin_ant> Webpit: and now it should be easy for him to use these tools on linux
[06:39] <marcin_ant> ok guys now I need to fix this fuc*** partition
[06:39] <Webpit> yeah
[06:39] <marcin_ant> brb
[06:39] <Webpit> the more peoplel ike this see that there are options
[06:40] <Webpit> the more freedom they feel
[06:40] <Webpit> he should really look at gimp
[06:40] <Webpit> its a nice program or imagemagick
[06:40] <dredg> the gimp is not the be-all and end-all of graphics
[06:40] <Webpit> no
[06:40] <dredg> openoffice is not the be-all and end-all of office apps
[06:40] <Webpit> but i havent explored others
[06:40] <dr_willis> but for the Price - the Gimp is hard to beat...
[06:40] <dr_willis> :P
[06:40] <Webpit> yet
[06:40] <dredg> in fact things like excel and oo clash horribly
[06:41] <Webpit> oh man dont get me started on how excel killed my 100 hour + spreadsheet
[06:41] <dr_willis> lol
[06:41] <IRCMonkey> I'm wondering if ubuntu has some kind of port or package system?
[06:41] <ssam> does anyone know what is the command to run the application choosen as the mailto handler in the preferred applications control panel
[06:41] <dr_willis> IRCMonkey,  its uses the apt system.
[06:41] <dredg> sorry, i'm way too practical to switch to something just cos it's linux.
[06:41] <IRCMonkey> I see, thanks
[06:42] <ssam> i guess something like gnome-mail-handler or something
[06:44] <Echylo> question, when I saved attachements in Pan, I can't retrieve them in the fold I specified
[06:45] <marcin_ant> hmm what could be a reason for "critical error" when trying to install grub
[06:45] <marcin_ant> while lilo works perfectly?
[06:45] <Echylo> your computer likes lilo
[06:45] <Webpit> dredg i think for me its more a matter of freedom of choice now
[06:45] <Echylo> and hates grub
[06:46] <marcin_ant> Echylo: :)
[06:46] <Echylo> not funny I gues
[06:46] <Echylo>  :p
[06:46] <dredg> Webpit: i got bored with bludgeoning things into working with linux years ago. either i can do everything i need to do in one place or i cannot. if i cannot, then i won't.
[06:47] <Webpit> yeah
[06:47] <Echylo> any1 has Pan in here?
[06:47] <draxula> hi everyone
[06:47] <Webpit> i had the same problem a few years ago with redhat/gnome
[06:47] <Webpit> then i tried this dist came with a magazine
[06:47] <Webpit> i havent had to bludgeon yet
[06:47] <Webpit> even my printer works [same printer didnt work before under RH cups] 
[06:47] <Webpit> and sound
[06:48] <draxula> just installed warty and strugling with wireless
[06:48] <Webpit> yeah i dont know if its the distribution [debian vs RH]  that makes the difference, or just a new crop of tools for "graphical" users that makes life more livable on linux
[06:48] <Echylo> anyone? I can't retrieve downloads from "Pan" usenet
[06:48] <tolstoy> Echylo, I use it, but it works for me.
[06:49] <jcoxon77> draxula, what is your wireless card?
[06:49] <Echylo> but It doesn't downloads the thing to my folder
[06:49] <Echylo> an mp3 btw
[06:49] <marcin_ant> Echylo: I propably have an explanation... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogInstallNotes
[06:49] <tolstoy> maybe it placed it somewhere else?  Can you search your homedir?
[06:49] <Echylo> hmm
[06:49] <Echylo> how to search?
[06:49] <dr_willis> Echylo,  by defauklt they download to News/Pan
[06:50] <Echylo> yes
[06:50] <Echylo> that folder doesn't exists here
[06:50] <Echylo> save attachements in this directory : /home/echylo/News/Pan
[06:50] <Echylo> w8 a second
[06:50] <Echylo> god
[06:50] <dr_willis> hmm. Make the directory perhaps? no idea. I use pan on all tehse other disrtos.
[06:50] <tolstoy> maybe it somehow ended up in .pan?
[06:51] <Echylo> dr_willis said the answer
[06:51] <Echylo> wrong folder
[06:51] <Echylo> maybe he didn't saved them
[06:51] <Webpit> lol
[06:51] <Echylo> lets try
[06:51] <tolstoy> i've been running hoary since not long after warty.  this is the first time I've been locked out of my desktop!  I guess that's amazing, actually.
[06:52] <Echylo> hmm
[06:53] <Bandit> tolstoy same for me
[06:53] <Echylo> nope
[06:53] <Echylo> dr_willis, still not working
[06:53] <tolstoy> Bandit, someone just posted to the forums, claiming it's a session manager prob, but I don't seem to get as far as he did.
[06:53] <tolstoy> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=15742
[06:54] <thoreauputic> marcin_ant: if you're still fighting grub, there's a good article here: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3340051
[06:54] <Bandit> let me look
[06:54] <draxula> Intel 2200 onFujitsu Siemens Amilo Pro V2000
[06:55] <draxula> seems to picked up by the drivers, but no joy in configurating it.
[06:55] <zeR> I want to install a program, that includes a kernel module (fuse 2.2). I am installing linux-source right now. Can i simply modprobe the module after installing fuse or do i have to configure and build the kernel?
[06:55] <draxula> is there support for WPA yet on Ubuntu?
[06:56] <chrissturm> hey guys! i am running hoary, and after the latest updates my xsession ends after one second. anyone else experiencing this?
[06:56] <Bandit> tolstoy yeah mine is a bit different mine stops at your session only lasted 10 seconds
[06:56] <thoreauputic> chrissturm: just about everyone, it seems :/
[06:57] <Bandit> chrissturm thoreauputic said it
[06:57] <draxula> wait, let me first walk through the forums :-)
[06:57] <dr_willis> egads -- its amazeing the amount of Cruft that collects on a XP install...  :P replaceing XP with linux is like gaining back  2 new hard drives. :P
[06:58] <tolstoy> Bandit, are you using GDM?  I'm not, which is maybe why I don't see the same things.  I'll try it, then I'm off to a damned staff infection, er, meeting.
[06:58] <thoreauputic> has anyone tried ctrl-alt-F2, login, then try to run on tty8 by issuing `startx `which gnome-session` -- :1
[06:58] <Bandit> tolstoy isnt gnome GDM
[06:58] <thoreauputic> or startx /usr/bin/gnome-session -- :1
[06:59] <neighborlee> dr_willis, not only the Cruft...but the errors...IE wont display pages anymore and I can't even 'remove' IE to try to 'reinstall' it...talik about a mesed up OS ;-))..ridiculous <<<
[06:59] <dr_willis> note the 2 dashes - - :P
[06:59] <tolstoy> Bandit: I get that error as well when I start from gdm.
[06:59] <jem73> hola, alguien habla espaol???
[06:59] <thoreauputic> and the spaces !
[06:59] <tolstoy> thoreauputic, I generally startx from the tty all the time.
[06:59] <neighborlee> dr_willis, the reason its an issue is because I use gamespy for online gaming with a friend..and it requires IE to function...isn't that lovely ;-))
[06:59] <dr_willis> neighborlee,  my main issue now - is that XP isenting seeing the CD's change.. makes a little hard to install a 10 cd game when it cant see that youce put in disk #2 like it asked.
[06:59] <snowblink> jem73: #ubuntu-es
[06:59] <Bandit> tolstoy i always assumed that GDM was gnome display manager
[07:00] <thoreauputic> tolstoy: so did I until Ubuntu - now I'm cursing gdm all the time ;)
[07:00] <jem73> snowblink: gracias... :D
[07:00] <Echylo> ok tolstoy or dr_willis the Pan thing won't download any thing to the map I specified
[07:00] <dr_willis> neighborlee,  ive been useing GameSpy and its kin for ages.. :O  been testing out Xfire lately.
[07:00] <thoreauputic> tolstoy: but I still do the startx thing quite a bit
[07:00] <Echylo> ow Wait!
[07:00] <Nic> gamespy is hell, I hate it
[07:01] <Echylo> no
[07:01] <Echylo> now it downs txt's
[07:01] <tolstoy> Even gnome failsafe mode didn't work.
[07:01] <neighborlee> dr_willis,so whoever said that you can't uninstall IE was right apparatnly <G>...really bunrs me and i'm thinking only way out is to reinstall the entire OS....siiigh...too bad I can't get by totally without windows but atm I rely on msaccess and few others
[07:01] <Nic> same kind as steam
[07:01] <thoreauputic> Bandit: gdm *is* gnome display manager - gnome-session is one session you can start from it
[07:02] <thoreauputic> xdm and kdm are two other dm incarnations that do the same sort of thing...
[07:03] <vincent_> chrissturm: stop the starting of the sound daemon during the start of gnome (the option is in sound properties)
[07:04] <chrissturm> vincent_: in what config file? i cant run any gui app :)
[07:04] <Bandit> ok lets try this
[07:04] <vincent_> try to log in icewm
[07:05] <nanomad> i need help...
[07:05] <chrissturm> thx vincent_
[07:05] <vincent_> no problem
[07:06] <nanomad> anyone could help? I have upgraded my hoary and now gnome isn't working
[07:06] <Bandit> nanomad join the club
[07:06] <nanomad> any solutions?
[07:06] <thoreauputic> nanomad: you and all the rest of the universe, my friend :)
[07:06] <nanomad> dho!
[07:06] <nanomad> well, at least the shell works :)
[07:07] <nanomad> i'm using irssi
[07:07] <vincent_> nanomad : : stop the starting of the sound daemon during the start of gnome (the option is in sound properties)
[07:07] <nanomad> i'll try, tjx
[07:07] <thoreauputic> ... heh.. emacs is installed by default -some people *live* in emacs ;)
[07:07] <nanomad> ..err thx
[07:07] <vincent_> no problem
[07:07] <dr_willis> Emacs/OS :P
[07:08] <thoreauputic> dr_willis: "nice OS, pity about the editor..." ;)
[07:08] <Bandit> vincent_ that fixes the issue?
[07:08] <vincent_> yep
[07:08] <Bandit> hmmm how do you stop it
[07:08] <vincent_> it's due to the upgrade of esd this afternoon
[07:08] <dr_willis> thoreauputic,  now we need a Nice Channel Argument over weather or not "emacs" is an "IDE"
[07:08] <Bandit> yeah that was the last upgrade i made
[07:09] <vincent_> Bandit: go to System>preference>Sound
[07:09] <Bandit> how do you go about stopping the starting of it
[07:09] <nanomad> same question...
[07:09] <Bandit> vincent_ thats the problem i cant
[07:09] <vincent_> why ?
[07:10] <thoreauputic> dr_willis: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt
[07:10] <Bandit> you mean from terminal
[07:10] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[07:10] <vincent_> try to apt-get install icewm or something like that
[07:10] <dr_willis> i used to USE ed. you Young Wipper Snapper!
[07:10] <dr_willis> :P
[07:10] <dr_willis> i also used to irc on a "printing" greenbar terminal.
[07:10] <thoreauputic> dr_willis: when I were lad, used to stack punch cards !!
[07:11] <vincent_> so you can log in icewm and launch gnome-sound-properties
[07:11] <dr_willis> Lol.. they were just getting phased out  - i got to help throw them away.
[07:11] <vincent_> icewm, fluxbox or e16 ....
[07:11] <dr_willis> I do seem to recall an "Analog" computer in one of the labs.
[07:11] <nanomad> vincent_: thx i'll try. see ya!
[07:11] <spiral> hmmm...Does anyone here know whether the openoffice2 testing packages will be updated in hoary ?
[07:11] <vincent_> ok
[07:12] <thoreauputic> dr_willis: my laptop is *much* more powerful than the mainframe we used to do Fortran IV on !
[07:12] <dr_willis> "fortran" -- ARGH! dont use that word!
[07:12] <dr_willis> :P
[07:12] <thoreauputic> hehe
[07:12] <thoreauputic> better than *cough* COBOL
[07:13] <dr_willis> Comal  :P
[07:13] <MeMa|Sorcerer> hallo
[07:13] <racoontje|clone> How can I install Ubuntu on a PC without a CD-rom?
[07:14] <chrissturm> hmm, i cant run gnome-sesssion properties from xfce :(
[07:15] <Bandit> :)
[07:15] <nanomad> me too (i'm back)
[07:15] <vincent_> why do you want to run gnome-session-properties ?
[07:15] <vincent_> it's gnome-sound-properties
[07:15] <nanomad> it crashes (tryed now...)
[07:15] <chrissturm> vincent_: gnome-sound properties doesnt run too
[07:16] <vincent_> uh ?
[07:16] <vincent_> it works at home. sorry guys :)
[07:16] <thoreauputic> chrissturm: you seem to be missing a hyphen there...
[07:16] <chrissturm> thoreaputic: but only here :)
[07:17] <nanomad> there must be a conf file somewhere for esd...
[07:17] <vincent_> man gconf
[07:17] <nanomad> yhea!
[07:17] <thoreauputic> *grin* sudo apt-get remove --purge esd
[07:18] <ulisse> hi channel
[07:18] <njan> thoreauputic, what a delightful command.
[07:18] <njan> :)
[07:18] <ulisse> i have an emergency, help me please!
[07:18] <tritium> crimsun, I'm back now.
[07:18] <thoreauputic> no such package, unfortunately :(
[07:18] <njan> ulisse, ask your question / describe your problem
[07:18] <dr_willis> hmm
[07:18] <tritium> Any new developments on the polypaudio issue?
[07:18] <ulisse> I cannot login to gnome, it says that the session lasts less than 10 s
[07:18] <nanomad> another one :)
[07:18] <ulisse> it is not due to .ICEauthorithy
[07:19] <dr_willis> try a different window manager
[07:19] <thoreauputic> ulisse: welcome to the queue
[07:19] <nanomad> ulisse: welcome to the club...
[07:19] <ulisse> Is it a common issue?
[07:19] <nanomad> ya
[07:19] <ulisse> PPHHEEEOOOW.... i feel better now...
[07:19] <thoreauputic> ulisse: it has monopolised conversation here for some time...
[07:20] <ulisse> i tought i messed up my system...
[07:20] <ulisse> so we only have to wait for an update?
[07:20] <thoreauputic> well, you  did, but it wasn't your fault ;)
[07:20] <nanomad> or u can try do solve the problem by yourself...
[07:21] <chrissturm> the strange thing is that i am running polypaudio.
[07:21] <ulisse> i am almost a newbie...
[07:21] <ulisse> or better, i know exactly how to mess up a system, but i'm unable to solve this...
[07:21] <rapha> Hi all!
[07:22] <nanomad> as I know its a esd problem
[07:22] <stuNNed> hi rapha
[07:22] <nanomad> Hi
[07:22] <ulisse> ehm... what is ESD? :-P
[07:22] <rapha> I just installed the latest Ubuntu Hoary build (daily image), and it installed fine. Now, however, GNOME doesn't come up. When I start gnome-session from a terminal, this is what happens:
[07:22] <rapha> rapha@proactivity:~$ gnome-session
[07:22] <rapha> SESSION_MANAGER=local/proactivity:/tmp/.ICE-unix/6972
[07:22] <rapha> rapha@proactivity:~$
[07:22] <tritium> ulisse, sound server
[07:23] <nanomad> another one :)
[07:23] <rapha> Could somebody point me to a solution for this problem?
[07:23] <ulisse> welcome rapha
[07:23] <Rocha> hello, do you know the name of the package that has the svn client?
[07:23] <tritium> nanomad, another what?
[07:23] <Rocha> I can't find it! :/
[07:23] <dr_willis> lol
[07:23] <ulisse> you're not alone
[07:23] <paolo> Hi guys! My ubuntu pc makes something strange: Nautilus can't delete to trash the files of a vfat mounted partition. Note that I can delete them in a terminal, but not in Nautilus. Is there a reason?
[07:23] <dr_willis> should i be ashamed that i  normally use "windowmaker"  under Ubuntu? :P
[07:23] <Amaranth> Yes. :P
[07:24] <tritium> jdub, I had to leave shortly after our "10 clients" discussion.  Any new developments?
[07:24] <lapo> ulisse, maybe I know you, am I right?
[07:24] <jdub> tritium: not wrt that yet
[07:24] <ulisse> Lapo, yes, I think...
[07:24] <dr_willis> lol. getting rdy to test out the PPC version on my imac. :p
[07:24] <thoreauputic> dr_willis: heretic!
[07:24] <kakalto> what is a media player that supports *.asx music streaming?
[07:24] <thoreauputic> dr_willis: you should be using fluxbox like me ;)
[07:24] <ulisse> lapo, if you are "bat"...
[07:24] <Rocha> fluxbox sucks
[07:24] <tritium> jdub, okay.  I'll try to help.  If there's anything i can do, let me know.
[07:25] <lapo> ulisse, di solito
[07:25] <haggai> spiral: yes, I already tried twice to update them.  http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/o/openoffice.org2/1.9.76-0ubuntu2/
[07:25] <kakalto> anyone know?
[07:26] <Rocha> thoreauputic, :D
[07:26] <binks> hi all
[07:26] <Rocha> thoreauputic, you missed me
[07:26] <H0lyD4wg> how do i make Gnome use another window manager?
[07:26] <Bandit> tritium after the last update i made on hoary today i get this message when attempting to log into gnome   your session only lasted 10 seconds
[07:26] <kent> is there some issues with gnome in Hoary now?
[07:26] <thoreauputic> Rocha: evidently everyone who tried to toss you a manual missed...
[07:26] <thoreauputic> ;)
[07:26] <kakalto> Rocha, then get up off your ass and collect the damn manual :P
[07:26] <thoreauputic> hehe
[07:26] <tritium> Bandit, I believe there's a esound bug related to that.
[07:27] <binks> im just running fglrxconfig and one of the options is do u want  xfree86-dga (y/n)?
[07:27] <Bandit> and by the way welcome back :)
[07:27] <tritium> Bandit, and I think a fix is in the works already.
[07:27] <tritium> Bandit, thanks for noticing :)
[07:27] <Bandit> ah ok perfect thanks
[07:27] <vixus> Hi all.
[07:27] <binks> what is this do i need it i have a ati9600 xtd
[07:27] <stuNNed> binks: default is (n) right?
[07:27] <vixus> In OOo Draw, can I radially copy something? (Like the hour marks for a clock face)
[07:27] <binks> yes n default
[07:27] <Rocha> thoreauputic, nop, the first one didn't miss, that's why i don't use windows.
[07:27] <stuNNed> then that should be ok
[07:27] <thoreauputic> Rocha: :D
[07:28] <stuNNed> binks: checked in #ati?
[07:28] <aadil> greetings
[07:28] <binks> ok its just when i open a new window its always too big for the screen
[07:28] <stuNNed> hi aadil
[07:28] <aadil> hello stuNNed
[07:28] <stuNNed> binks: don't think that has to do with dga afaik
[07:28] <spiral> haggai: all right, I download them... But do you know if they'll be integrated in the official servers as the old one was ?
[07:28] <binks> also i loose my mouse in enemy territory so i cant play
[07:28] <vixus> It's just, #OO.o seems dead.
[07:29] <haggai> spiral: eh?
[07:29] <spiral> haggai: why are them called "*failled" ?
[07:29] <stuNNed> binks: again, have you checked in #ati?
[07:29] <binks> cheers stunned will try #ati
[07:29] <ulisse> lapo, any solution to my (our) problem?
[07:29] <haggai> spiral: those are failed builds
[07:29] <binks> :) thanks
[07:29] <Slant> Has anyone just freshly dist-upgraded and lost the ability to run any gnome programs for more than a second?
[07:29] <spiral> haggai: all right..; So not usable...
[07:29] <stuNNed> binks: yw :)
[07:29] <lapo> ulisse, which one?
[07:29] <haggai> spiral: exactly.  That's why they're not updated yet
[07:29] <Slant> I'm talking about in Hoary.
[07:29] <ulisse> lapo, the gnome session issue
[07:29] <lapo> ulisse, gnome-session hangs on startup?
[07:30] <ulisse> yep
[07:30] <lapo> ulisse, try to kill ganim
[07:30] <spiral> haggai: do you know whether they can be fixed ?
[07:30] <lapo> ulisse, and/or comment anything not needed in /etc/fstab
[07:30] <ulisse> lapo, i'll try and be back ;-)
[07:30] <zenrox> hmmm i just got a nifty error when i started gnome
[07:31] <Slant> zenrox: As did I.
[07:31] <ulisse> ganim, you said? or gamin?
[07:31] <zenrox> "session lasted 10 secs"
[07:31] <Slant> zenrox: No GNOME program can run for more than a second.
[07:31] <zenrox> unable to load .ICEauthorty file
[07:31] <stuNNed> how does gamin work well with nfs?
[07:31] <Slant> I logged in a failsafe session and tried other programs.
[07:31] <fabbione> esound is broken!
[07:31] <fabbione> please hold on
[07:31] <thoreauputic> Rocha: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/dil-unix.gif  ;)
[07:31] <haggai> spiral: I know what the i386/powerpc problems are but amd64 is more complicated
[07:31] <fabbione> downgrade libesd if you know how to do that
[07:31] <zenrox> Slant: how do we fix this
[07:32] <tritium> haggai, what are the plans for openoffice.org2's database software?
[07:32] <fabbione> otherwise just wait a little bit to upgrade
[07:32] <Rocha> thoreauputic, ROTFL
[07:32] <Slant> zenrox: I wish I had a clue. That's why I came in here.
[07:32] <lapo> ulisse, the fam thingy
[07:32] <zenrox> lol
[07:32] <thoreauputic> Rocha: it's an oldie but goodie :)
[07:32] <Slant> The softare is segfaulting, and then the segfault is being caught.
[07:32] <Slant> strace indicates that.
[07:32] <haggai> tritium: its included already, except for the java bits
[07:32] <spiral> haggai: all right... Does this mean that as long as the amd64 isn't done, none of them will be released ?
[07:33] <tritium> haggai, oh?  Is that a recent addition?
[07:33] <chrissturm> shouldnt i find a "enable esd" flag in some gconf xml file?
[07:33] <spiral> haggai: on debian.org, I saw that they recommended a 32bits chroot for openoffice & things like that... quite astonishing
[07:33] <Slant> fabbione: It's hard to downgrade when you can't check the archives for the version because everything is broken.
[07:33] <Slant> fabbione: Assuming you were referring to the GNOME issue?
[07:34] <fabbione> Slant: it's not a GNOME error. but the result is gnome not starting
[07:34] <Slant> What actually is the error?
[07:34] <Nire-work> ok so whats up with this horay version of ubuntu?
[07:34] <fabbione> lftp http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/esound/
[07:34] <zenrox> so remove esd and that should fix it fabbione
[07:34] <ulisse> lapo, gamin is not running
[07:34] <thenuke> Nire-work: it's unstable version, don't try it
[07:34] <thoreauputic> Nire-work: it's *down* at the moment ;)
[07:34] <Nire-work> ah
[07:35] <Nire-work> well
[07:35] <fabbione> mget *0.2.35-2_*
[07:35] <fabbione> and install the 3 debs you need
[07:35] <lapo> ulisse, I don't have the ubuntu machine at hand, I don't remember exavtly how we managed to fix that
[07:35] <spiral> thoreauputic: hoary broken ?
[07:35] <fabbione> esound-common
[07:35] <fabbione> libesd
[07:35] <fabbione> and esound
[07:35] <fabbione> that's all you need
[07:35] <Nire-work> I need a ppc version that I dont have to run some goofy command on to get booted, and has xorg, and wishful thinking, xfce 4.2
[07:35] <thoreauputic> spiral: esound problem
[07:35] <zenrox> ok fabbione
[07:35] <jc-denton> hi all
[07:35] <spiral> thoreauputic: ah maybe... I use kde & a mix with debian sid...
[07:35] <jc-denton> i'm testing the ubuntu life cd
[07:35] <rapha> Doesn't anybody use today's Hoary?
[07:35] <jc-denton> but i got a few problemes with it..
[07:36] <jc-denton> first
[07:36] <scotth> hey, is there any known brokenness in hoary right now?
[07:36] <Slant> fabbione: Thanks.
[07:36] <spiral> jc-denton: stop playing deus ex :-p
[07:36] <scotth> rapha, yeah... gnome is pissed... specifically gconfd
[07:36] <jc-denton> if i want to load everything in the ram it freezes on my laptop with 512mb
[07:36] <thoreauputic> Nire-work: can I offer you a moon with that order?
[07:36] <jc-denton> i dont do at the mom
[07:36] <spiral> jc-denton: maybe you've been traumatised :-p
[07:36] <jc-denton> it freezes with kernel panic, sayin that there is not enough memory
[07:36] <jc-denton> and second problem
[07:36] <gobgo1> hello, i'm trying to install the warty version of ubuntu on a laptop, but it fails installing the base system, i don't have any floppy drive and i've got the following message: FATAL: Error inserting floppy (/lib/modules/blablabla/floppy.ko), anyone can help please?
[07:37] <Nire-work> well i asked yesterday about getting xorg and someone told me get horay
[07:37] <Nire-work> so now here i am again, and you are telling me its broken, which is fine
[07:37] <rapha> scotth, will that fix itself anytime soon through dist-upgrade?
[07:37] <thoreauputic> Nire-work: temporarily
[07:37] <jc-denton> i cannot use the radeon module as described in the help menu and i can also not set the resolution to anything other then 1024
[07:37] <Nire-work> I can go back to warty and i can get it to boot with the goofy fix
[07:37] <zenrox> fabbione:  whats the apt-get command to get it to install the older version
[07:37] <Nire-work> but that brings me back to my first question, how do I upgrade it to xorg, and get xfce 4.2 on it?
[07:37] <scotth> rapha, my friend right now is dist-upgrading every few minutes... to try... but we have no clue
[07:38] <fabbione> zenrox: what i wrote before. there is no apt command
[07:38] <fabbione> you need to use dpkg
[07:38] <fabbione> or aptitude from console
[07:38] <zenrox> ok
[07:38] <thoreauputic> Nire-work: well, you could install a whole bunch of dev packages and get compiling, I guess
[07:38] <rapha> Ubuntu developers do you HEAR us? Can the community get a first-hand response?
[07:38] <Nire-work> or actually, now that i have horay installed, if it gets fixed, is there a way i can update the current install so i dont have to do a while fresh install?
[07:39] <Nire-work> the machine is a spare, just using it to try out ubuntu heh
[07:39] <kakalto> Rocha, then get up off your ass and collect the damn manual :P
[07:39] <kakalto> woops
[07:39] <kakalto> what is a media player that supports *.asx music streaming?
[07:39] <rapha> Nire-work, that's simple.
[07:39] <jc-denton> how do i get a working live cd?
[07:39] <jc-denton> :D
[07:39] <Rocha> kakalto, i'm coding now, i don't have time for that :P
[07:39] <thoreauputic> Nire-work: seriously, you could compile your own packages if you have the time and patience - and use checkinstall to make debs or whatever
[07:40] <legion> i'm new to any linux system,my mate gave me ubuntu,i am trying to istall mplayer or a equivlent,can anyone help?
[07:40] <Echylo> legion
[07:40] <kakalto> Rocha, sorry, I was pushing up, and didn't realise I had said anything after asking the question :P
[07:40] <thoreauputic> Nire-work: or maybe there's a PPC Gentoo version that has what you want?
[07:40] <legion> yes
[07:40] <Nire-work> yeh well gentoo takes forever to install
[07:40] <Echylo> click on computer, computer configuration, synaptic package manager
[07:40] <lonewolff> if i change the sources.list to say horay where it says warty and do dist-upgrade will that update ubuntu to hoary?
[07:40] <kakalto> maybe if I ask a more direct question...
[07:40] <Rocha> kakalto, ok
[07:40] <Nire-work> and that defeats the purpose of trying out ubuntu
[07:41] <kakalto> Sorry 'bout that :)
[07:41] <Echylo> you need to give password of your account
[07:41] <thoreauputic> legion: search for "restricted formats" on ubuntulinux.org
[07:41] <tritium> haggai, sorry, but which package provides the new oo.org database standalone app?
[07:41] <scotth> DO NOT DISTUPGRADE TO HOARY RIGHT NOW, ITS BROKEN
[07:41] <thoreauputic> Nire-work: true
[07:41] <legion> ok
[07:41] <haggai> spiral: the pkg will be uploaded as soon as it builds on that architecture.  The 64 bit chroot bit is because it isn't 64 bit clean yet
[07:41] <haggai> tritium: openoffice.org-core
[07:41] <kakalto> does bmp support *.asx streaming audio?
[07:42] <haggai> tritium: openoffice.org2-core sorry
[07:42] <tritium> haggai, so it has no .desktop entry...
[07:42] <jc-denton> does nobody here use the live cd?
[07:42] <haggai> tritium: that's right.  There is one in the new (failed to build) packages
[07:42] <Echylo> how you activate root account again?
[07:43] <haggai> Echylo: sudo -s
[07:43] <amphigory> Can anyone suggest how I might go about installing hoary to a RAID1 setup?  My issues is that, no matter what I do, the installer insists that there are no partitions configured as "RAID autodetect"
[07:43] <Echylo> thanks
[07:43] <tritium> haggai, thanks :)
[07:44] <nanomad> I'm back. Any news for the Gnome thing?
[07:44] <bumperland> how do i get streaming audio to work on warty ? as on shoutcast
[07:45] <brushhead> hi does anyone know about iwconfig?
[07:45] <spiral> haggai: so did this mean "not until amd64 compliant" or "will be released asap for i386, with or without amd64 compliance"... Sorry
[07:45] <tritium> brushhead, what about it?
[07:46] <haggai> spiral: i386 will enter the archive as soon as it is ready, amd64 will enter later
[07:46] <zeR> how can i get into the partitioning program that appears in the installation?
[07:46] <brushhead> i'm trying to get my USR2210 wifi card working
[07:46] <hitu> hey can someone try and send me a file
[07:46] <brushhead> but i'm confused about the access opint name
[07:46] <hitu> i wanna check if my dcc works
[07:46] <brushhead> is it the macc address of the ap or what?
[07:47] <seb128> tritium: thanks :)
[07:47] <tritium> seb128, thank you :)
[07:48] <binks> ho do i install xorg into warty anyone got a lnk
[07:49] <Rocha> Change the repositiories from warty to hoary
[07:49] <kent> have any one else got problems with gnome in Hoary now? I have issues with session or something.
[07:49] <Bandit> kent yep a few of us
[07:49] <kokey> who knows about the error with gnome in hoary?
[07:49] <binks> im new to linux is it wise updating to hoary
[07:49] <Bandit> kentjust be patient
[07:49] <thoreauputic> binks: no
[07:49] <nanomad> binks: DON'T DISTUPGRADE FOR NOW AS GNOME IS BROKEN
[07:49] <kokey> Bandit hehehe.. ok...
[07:50] <binks> ok i just want to xorg can i se it in warty
[07:50] <thoreauputic> binks: "new to linux" and "Hoary" should not appear in the same sentence...
[07:50] <gobgo1> :)
[07:50] <hitu> lol thoreauputic
[07:50] <kakorna> Hi, i have a question - what can be wrong if the computer stops at 'Preconfiguring packages...' when im doing 'apt-get install xserver-xfree86', its a 3.2ghz so it should work fine - ive tried both warty and hoary - the CD works fine on my laptop, any sugguestions?
[07:50] <nanomad> lol
[07:50] <binks> i no i just want xorg can i use it in warty
[07:50] <kokey> maybe someone can put about this error something in the topic ;-)
[07:50] <zeR> i get "you may have run out of disk space" when i want to install ubuntu (at copying files to hd). Any ideas?!?
[07:50] <thoreauputic> binks: unless you have masochistic tendencies...
[07:51] <binks> no i cant even play enemy territory in warty yet
[07:51] <kent> Bandit, im patient. Just wanted to know  if its me or Hoary.  Im as happy as can be right now actually, i got my brothers Lexmark printer to work in linux. :)
[07:51] <Bandit> kent perfect
[07:51] <nanomad> binks: for et just disable esd
[07:51] <nanomad> it works :)
[07:52] <binks> ed
[07:52] <binks> esd ?
[07:52] <nanomad> gnome sound manger
[07:52] <sri> has anybody getting problems with gnome-session crashing on hoary?
[07:52] <sri> s/has/is/
[07:52] <evarlast> *cough* enlightenment sound daemon
[07:52] <kent> sri, yes.
[07:52] <nanomad> error: the sound server of gnome
[07:52] <binks> ok how
[07:52] <sri> kent: have you been able to fix it?
[07:53] <kent> sri, now. But just wait, they will fix it when they can..
[07:53] <nanomad> binks: disable it so it won't start on login
[07:53] <sri> kent: ok.
[07:53] <tritium> s/a/an
[07:53] <kent> sri, Im using irc from the terminal with Bitchx instead of Gnome until they fix it :)
[07:53] <sri> kent: hopefully soon. :-)  fluxbox is not as nice as GNOME is :)
[07:53] <thoreauputic> nanomad: everlast was right
[07:54] <sri> kent: as long as someone is working on it.
[07:54] <sri> kent: thanks for the info
[07:54] <thoreauputic> sri: I disagree - I prefer Fluxbox :)
[07:54] <sri> there's one in every crowd :P
[07:54] <Bandit> i am working on it just dont know what I am doing
[07:54] <thoreauputic> sri: do you have the latest version?
[07:55] <sri> thoreauputic: whatever is i in hoary
[07:55] <thoreauputic> sri:  0.9.12 is current, and very nice with the rightthemes and transparency etc
[07:56] <thoreauputic> sri: I'm guessing Hoary is still using 1.14.something, but I may be wrong
[07:56] <sri> thoreauputic: version number changed?
[07:56] <tritium> Bandit, what are you working on?
[07:56] <sri> 1.14 is greater than 0.9.12 :-)\
[07:57] <Bandit> tritium not being a smartass :)
[07:57] <tritium> Bandit, heh
[07:57] <thoreauputic> sri: no, the "stable" branch just hasn't been updated for ages - the ones to get are the development versions O.9.*
[07:57] <thoreauputic> http://fluxbox.org
[07:58] <Hannes_>    svn checkout svn+ssh://anonymous@forgesvn1.novell.com/svn/hula/trunk/hula
[07:58] <Hannes_> no...
[07:58] <thoreauputic> sri: I agree the numbers are counter-intuitive
[07:59] <zenrox> fabbione: i cant for the life of me get aptitude you use the older esound files
[07:59] <jesuel> ooo, im getting fios...!
[08:00] <jesuel> mmm i actually love verizon today ;p
[08:00] <zenrox> lol vz sucks
[08:00] <zenrox> lol
[08:00] <jesuel> 30mbit download/5mbit upload is nice :)
[08:00] <zenrox> lickey you 768k in 128k out
[08:01] <jesuel> course im not getting that package, im getting the 15mbit down/2mbit upload package
[08:01] <jesuel> 49.95 a month :)
[08:02] <lonewolff> wow i pay 350gbp/month for 4mbit up/down
[08:03] <thoreauputic> sri: actually I just checked: the stable version of flux is 0.1.14
[08:03] <jesuel> yeah i been paying 21.95 for 3mbit down/384k up from my isp currently, but 15down/2up for 50. Fine with me
[08:03] <evarlast> where are you?
[08:04] <evarlast> I want that! ;)
[08:04] <jesuel> the 15down/2up will be in keller, texas
[08:04] <thoreauputic> so 0.9.*  *is* in fact >  0.1.14  ;)
[08:04] <Nisse> Hello?
[08:05] <tolstoy> so, is it the sound daemon that's crashing gnome in today's hoary updates?
[08:05] <zenrox> tolstoy: yep
[08:07] <tolstoy> ah, saw the forum posting.  libesd, or something.
[08:07] <jdub> tolstoy: upgrade on the way, or you can downgrade temporarily
[08:08] <zenrox> ill just wate for the upgrade
[08:08] <Nisse> Hate to ask, but i have had linux for 2 hours now, and i finally getting somewhere.. I want to compile something from terminal, but it gives me the error: configure: error: "no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" What and how and when? Feel so lost.. Ok, i know, im lame..
[08:08] <zenrox> casue i cant get it to downgrade
[08:08] <tolstoy> Nisse, isn't there a development package you have to apt-get?  Forgot the name of it.
[08:08] <tolstoy> development-essentials, or something.
[08:09] <Nisse> apr-get?
[08:09] <tolstoy> Nisse, I don't think ubuntu has devel tools installed by default.
[08:09] <zenrox> Nisse:  do a sudo apt-get install essentials
[08:09] <jdub> build-essential
[08:09] <zenrox> or something liek that
[08:09] <zenrox> yep jdub is right
[08:10] <thoreauputic> Nisse: to get the compiler do  sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:10] <zenrox> yep
[08:10] <thoreauputic> ah, too slow ;)
[08:10] <Nisse> Ok, hmm. What do you mean with do sudo apt-get?
[08:10] <Nisse> is that a command?
[08:10] <tolstoy> Nisse, and if your build fails, you might have to install other -dev packages.
[08:10] <Bandit> well lets see if that will bring up SiRrUs
[08:10] <thoreauputic> Nisse: suggest you read the FAQ on ubuntulinux.org
[08:11] <tolstoy> wooo wooo gnome be back!
[08:11] <Nisse> Thor, yepp... =)
[08:11] <Cutman> I cant boot the Ubuntu Live CD...whats wrong?
[08:11] <thoreauputic> Nisse: and read about the package manager synaptic (easier to use)
[08:12] <thoreauputic> Nisse: also you might want to enable more repositories in the package manager
[08:12] <Nisse> Ok, this is to much. Maybe linux is nt my thing..
[08:12] <SiRrUs> lol i am back
[08:12] <Cutman> When I use the Live CD....will I get to choose between Ubuntu and Windows at startup?
[08:13] <SiRrUs> damm didnt have to reinstall grrrrrrrr  but thanks for the fix
[08:13] <thoreauputic> Nisse: no, synaptic is really easy to use - just do a bit of reading
[08:13] <thoreauputic> Nisse: it is quite magical in fact
[08:14] <sri> kent: it's fixed now
[08:14] <sri> kent: esound was borked
[08:14] <Bandit> yep it is
[08:14] <thoreauputic> Nisse: where did you disappear to?
[08:14] <thoreauputic> Nisse: try again if you wish
[08:14] <Nisse> God knows, soz..shrugh. =)
[08:14] <sri> kent: for some reason I was using esound instead of polypaudio (removed esound and brought back polypaudio)
[08:15] <thoreauputic> Nisse: it's better to keep it in channel so others can help or learn :)
[08:15] <Nisse> Ok. =)
[08:15] <sri> thoreauputic: okay, cool. :)
[08:15] <sri> thoreauputic: I need to turn on that antialias option in fluxbox, thats cool.
[08:15] <thoreauputic> Nisse: if you read a bit on the ubuntu site, you will get the hang of it - use the search functions
[08:16] <Cutman> Do I have to enter the BIOS when I'm going to boot from the CD?
[08:16] <Nisse> Ok, what i need is a dev-"kit" for ubuntu, becouse it doesnt come in the distro?
[08:16] <thoreauputic> sri: yes, also there's an alpha option that gives you transparent menus etc
[08:16] <thoreauputic> Nisse: what are you wanting to install?
[08:16] <tsjubu> are the gnome loggin prob fix alreay?
[08:17] <thoreauputic> Nisse: most apps are available without compiling
[08:17] <Akiyuki> Are X and gnome packaged with i386.iso or are those installed via apt-get?
[08:17] <seacyd> Hi, my microphone is not working. Mixer is on, Audacity complains Audio-E/A-Layer could not be initialized
[08:17] <Nisse> gdesklets and xmms
[08:17] <thoreauputic> Nisse: you just need to open the package manager and enable universe in the repositories (it's just a check box)
[08:18] <kent> sri, did it work after you upgraded?
[08:18] <Akiyuki> Are X and gnome packaged with i386.iso or are those installed via apt-get?
[08:18] <thoreauputic> Nisse: then update with the refresh/reload button, and browse or search for xmms and gdesklets
[08:18] <zenrox> hmm still dont work with me
[08:18] <Nisse> One thing at a time. Im swedish, my linux is in swedish. Package manager?
[08:19] <thoreauputic> Nisse: it's the application that installs things for you
[08:19] <zenrox> gnome still wont load
[08:19] <Nisse> Ok, and that app is called packade manager.
[08:19] <Akiyuki> zenrox: When you installed ubuntu did it install X and gnome for you? Or did it have to go and download those later?
[08:20] <Bandit> zenrox did you update just now
[08:20] <zenrox> Bandit:  yes
[08:20] <thoreauputic> Nisse: yes - it's also nicknamed "Synaptic" - but you don't need to know that ;)
[08:20] <zenrox> Akiyuki:  it installed gnome at install
[08:20] <Rocha> What is the ubuntu hoary deb-src repository?
[08:20] <dredg> thoreauputic: wow, a statement that might have come from apple :)
[08:20] <Akiyuki> That's what I was wondering. I didn't know if it only installs the base files, and then connects to the internet to get the rest of it?
[08:21] <Bandit> zenrox worked good for me
[08:21] <zenrox> Akiyuki: it sonnect to inet and get the rest
[08:21] <thoreauputic> dredg: heh - and I was going to say apt-cache search && apt-get update && apt-get install xmms ;)
[08:21] <zenrox> Bandit:  iknow i wonder why its not for me
[08:21] <Akiyuki> Well, if you do not have the internet are X and gnome on the iso image?
[08:22] <Bandit> did you apt-get update  and apt-get upgrade
[08:22] <thoreauputic> Aikyes
[08:22] <zenrox> Akiyuki:  yes
[08:22] <thoreauputic> Akiyuki: yes
[08:22] <Bandit> zenrox ?
[08:22] <zenrox> just not the updated gnome
[08:22] <Akiyuki> Thank you, because I do not have an internet connection to the machine I installing them on.
[08:22] <zenrox> ya Bandit
[08:22] <GuBA> hello... in where encounter the folder of cgi-bin in my Ubuntu?
[08:22] <seacyd> Microphone is still not working, any help?
[08:23] <Kokey> Bandit, It's working here! great!
[08:23] <Bandit> zenrox you updated and upgraded
[08:23] <Bandit> and for me it is as well
[08:23] <thoreauputic> GuBA: you won't, unless you install apache and various other bits and pieces
[08:23] <zenrox> Bandit: yep updated and upgraded gnome will not load (casue of the esound prob)
[08:23] <Bandit> zenrox the problems been fixed
[08:24] <froust> I want to set up a secure (no username/password in clear text) ftp server at home - can anyone point me to a howto?
[08:24] <zenrox> Bandit:  its not worken
[08:24] <zenrox> dont know why
[08:24] <lonewolff> is it safe to dist-upgrade hoary now then?
[08:24] <thoreauputic> froust: why not use ssh? you can use scp and sftp with it for security
[08:25] <Bandit> zenrox how long ago did you upgrade
[08:25] <froust> thoreauputic: i don't know how to set that up... i'm connecting from a windows box
[08:25] <thoreauputic> froust: ssh is installed by default
[08:25] <zenrox> Bandit:  i have bine running the update every min for the last 10 mins
[08:25] <thoreauputic> froust: use putty on windows
[08:25] <froust> i have an ssh client, but i don't know how to do ftp over ssh
[08:26] <zenrox> Bandit:  and the upgrade too
[08:26] <Bandit> zenrox maybe you need to update your sources
[08:26] <zenrox> Bandit:  dont think thats the prob
[08:26] <zenrox> i have updated my sources
[08:27] <zenrox> 1 millon time
[08:27] <Bandit> zenrox ok thought it might be cause there are a few of us that have been fixed in the last 10 mins
[08:27] <thoreauputic> froust: starting point -> http://www.google.com.au/search?q=sftp+howto&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
[08:28] <zenrox> Bandit:  i know thats why i am frustrated
[08:28] <thoreauputic> froust: or  http://pigtail.net/LRP/printsrv/cygwin-sshd.html
[08:28] <bruno> hey
[08:28] <froust> thoreauputic: if i had had any luck with google, i wouldn't be asking
[08:28] <Bandit> zenrox try a dist-upgrade
[08:29] <zenrox> have no go
[08:29] <bruno> i have a screen related problem
[08:29] <thoreauputic> froust: not to be rude, but there is a huge number of googlable howtos on this subject
[08:29] <bruno> i changed screens, and when ubuntu boots, i see all the start up details flashing by
[08:30] <bruno> but when x should start, the screen goes in standby
[08:30] <bruno> anyone know why this is happening?
[08:30] <froust> thoreauputic: i know that. i've been using linux for a month, and i don't quite understand what it's saying.
[08:30] <zenrox> Bandit:  nothen still broke
[08:30] <thoreauputic> froust:  http://www.openssh.com/windows.html
[08:30] <thoreauputic> windows related + putty
[08:31] <Bandit> zenrox then you need your sources updated
[08:31] <tritium> thanks for the fixes, jdub
[08:31] <zenrox> Bandit: apt-get update
[08:31] <zenrox> then
[08:31] <zenrox> i do a apt-get upgrade
[08:31] <zenrox> and then thare is nothen to update
[08:31] <Kokey> zenrox, apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[08:31] <froust> thoreauputic: i can get the client side working fine
[08:32] <froust> that's a no brainer, i just don't know how to set up my linux box to be the server.
[08:32] <Bandit> no need for the -u
[08:32] <zenrox> Kokey:  nothen
[08:32] <thoreauputic> froust: the server is linux, right?
[08:32] <thoreauputic> ah sorry
[08:32] <froust> yes.
[08:32] <froust> i was using vsftpd
[08:32] <zenrox> Bandit:  it might be all ready installed but not worken
[08:32] <froust> until i found out that it transmits in clear text
[08:33] <Bandit> zenrox if it were there it would fix your problem
[08:33] <zenrox> hmmm
[08:33] <zenrox> well i dont know then
[08:33] <Diegote> Hi all
[08:34] <thoreauputic> froust: once you ahve ssh running on the linux box (which it does by default I believe), you just need to open port 22 and login, as far as I know, using the instructions for putty.
[08:34] <zenrox> maby a format and install then upgrade back to hoary will fix it but i dont want to do that
[08:34] <Ubupimp> If my cdrom is not able to boot at startup, is there a floppy image that can boot the cdrom?
[08:34] <krism> thoreauputic : ubuntu doesnt install sshd by default.
[08:34] <krism> thoreauputic : iirc, it's openssh-server
[08:34] <froust> so it uses a normal ftp server, but does it through an ssh tunnel?
[08:34] <tritium> zenrox, maybe your mirror doesn't have the updated packages yet
[08:34] <thoreauputic> krism: hmm.. you're right - you need to pt-get install it
[08:35] <Bandit> tritium i told him that several times
[08:35] <zenrox> tritium:  maby
[08:35] <krism> thoreauputic : do you mean 'pwn3d-get install it'? :)
[08:35] <Ubupimp> If my cdrom is not able to boot at startup, is there a floppy image that can boot the cdrom?
[08:35] <thoreauputic> krism: hehe
[08:35] <bruno> can anyone help me with a display related problem?
[08:35] <froust> so i don't need to set up anything special on my linux box, i just need to tweak putty?
[08:35] <tritium> Bandit, sorry...
[08:36] <tritium> Bandit, I'm distracted here
[08:36] <thoreauputic> krism: here I just did an apt-get install ssh I believe - it seems to be all that's needed
[08:36] <thoreauputic> krism: sshd isn't a separate package
[08:36] <Diegote> I would like to build a customized hoary-live, but I have Debian sid installed, not Ubuntu. In the wiki it says I should use an ubuntu kernel. Do I really have to install Ubuntu?
[08:36] <froust> that's where i get lost.
[08:36] <Ubupimp> ARE THERE ANY BOOT IMAGES TO BOOT FROM FLOPPY IF CDROM DOESNT BOOT BY ITSSELF?
[08:37] <tritium> shhh...
[08:37] <sege> hmm
[08:37] <sege> i just went blind
[08:37] <bruno> lol
[08:37] <Ubupimp> Does anyone know?
[08:37] <thoreauputic> krism: apt-cache show ssh says >> Description: Secure shell client and server
[08:38] <bruno> can anyone help me with a display related problem?
[08:38] <thoreauputic> Ubupimp: well, we certainly *heard* you :/
[08:38] <tritium> that's because ssh depends on openssh-client and openssh-server
[08:38] <zenrox> now its just got added to the sources
[08:39] <thoreauputic> tritium: yup
[08:39] <tritium> thoreauputic, :)
[08:39] <zenrox> but nothen to upgade
[08:39] <zenrox> hmmm
[08:39] <H0lyD4wg> Ubupimp, install this : http://btmgr.webframe.org/index.php3?body=download.html on your floppy. once you boot it from the floppy it'll give you an option to boot from CD even if your BIOS doesn't support it.
[08:39] <tritium> zenrox, patience
[08:39] <tritium> bruno, what kind of problem
[08:39] <zenrox> tritium:  i dont have any of thoes
[08:39] <zenrox> lol
[08:39] <Ubupimp> Thanks H0lyD4wg
[08:39] <bruno> i changed screens, and when ubuntu boots, i see all the start up details flashing by
[08:39] <bruno> but when x should start, the screen goes in standby
[08:40] <froust> thoreauputic: thanks for the help
[08:40] <bruno> how do i set the configuration for the new screen?
[08:41] <H0lyD4wg> So, how do i make Gnome use Openbox for window-management instead of Metacity?
[08:41] <Nisse> thoreauputic: Ok, found the program, clicked a boit and now its downloadin stuff. Is the program gettin needed files?
[08:41] <tritium> bruno, by screen, you mean monitor?
[08:42] <bruno> yes
[08:42] <thoreauputic> Nisse: umm.. sorry my clairvoyant isn't available to answer that one ;)
[08:42] <tritium> bruno, goes to standby...I've only seen that happen on Windows.
[08:43] <Nisse> thoreauputic: Ha, ha, ok.. =)
[08:43] <thoreauputic> Nisse: it rather depends what you clicked :)
[08:43] <tritium> bruno, you're running Warty or Hoary?
[08:43] <bruno> tritium: well, the monitor goes blank :)
[08:43] <bruno> warty
[08:43] <RU63> in hoary it seems like you can't delete any apps without deleting the ubuntu-desktop.... is there a way around this?
[08:43] <Nisse> Well, selected xmms, then the apply button and then apply again.
[08:44] <namaste`> hello. is there any known bug, that when i add any server into xchat / thunderbirds serverlist, i won't be able to ping it no more?
[08:44] <tritium> bruno, did you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86?
[08:44] <RU63> i mean remove
[08:44] <Nisse> thoreauputic: Its dl package files.
[08:44] <thoreauputic> RU63: it's adummy package - losing it won't matter
[08:44] <RU63> thoreauputic: thanks..
[08:44] <tritium> RU63, you can't change the dependencies, but thoreauputic speaks the truth
[08:44] <thoreauputic> Nisse: well, I guess you'll find out if you got it right then :)
[08:45] <Nisse> thoreauputic: Yepp.
[08:45] <thoreauputic> tritium: as a generalisation, that's true :)
[08:45] <Nisse> thoreauputic: Either it works, or ill format and install xp again. =)
[08:46] <thoreauputic> tritium: but all generalisations are dangerous, espaecially this one ;)
[08:46] <tritium> thoreauputic, I'm glad to hear that :)
[08:46] <tritium> heh
[08:46] <zenrox> man i hate wating
[08:46] <thoreauputic> tritium: see above for caveat ;)
[08:46] <tritium> I saw...
[08:46] <tritium> zenrox, what mirror are you using?
[08:47] <RU63> is this bad?  ** (process:11613): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[08:47] <bruno> tritium, how do i get a command line? my monitor doesn't do anything here. or do i do something during start up to get a command line?
[08:47] <zenrox> arcive.ubuntu.com
[08:47] <zenrox> tritium:  arcive.ubuntu.com
[08:47] <namaste`> anyone?
[08:47] <namaste`> iptables are empty...
[08:48] <tritium> bruno, do you have another machine you can ssh into your box with?
[08:48] <thoreauputic> bruno: either open a termianl from a right click on the desktop in gnome, or do ctrl-alt-F2 and log in in the resultant black hole ;)
[08:48] <thoreauputic> *terminal
[08:48] <tritium> why does everybody like virtual console 2?
[08:48] <zenrox> dont know
[08:49] <tritium> what's so special about 2 relative to 1, or 3-6?
[08:49] <searcher`> k this sucks
[08:49] <bruno> thoreauputic: cool :)
[08:49] <froust> which is the most secure? ftp over ssl/tls, ftp over ssl, sftp over ssh, or ftp over tls?
[08:49] <thoreauputic> tritium: habit - I often startx from tty1 so it's easier
[08:49] <searcher`> i think i just messed up my grub install
[08:49] <zenrox> tritium: 1 is for irc 2= updating
[08:49] <searcher`> now when i reboot i just get the grub shell
[08:49] <tritium> LinuxJones likes v.c. 2 also, I think
[08:49] <searcher`> anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?
[08:49] <tritium> zenrox, heh, okay
[08:49] <bruno> tritium: yes, but i'll try via the command line
[08:49] <searcher`> it would be greatly appreciated
[08:50] <searcher`> (using the new hoary livecd till i can get back into my regular system)
[08:50] <zenrox> tritium:  its still not upgrading the esound packages
[08:50] <tritium> bruno, sorry, I thought your monitor wasn't giving you any kind of display
[08:50] <CarlK> booted in knoppix failsafe, sndconfig says "kernel not modular sound enabled (soundcore.o was not found in the module search path)..."  but I can modprobe soundcore and it loads it
[08:50] <CarlK> any idea how to convence sndconfig that things are as they are?
[08:50] <Nisse> thoreauputic: F#ck, it worked. =)) Many thanks for the help!!
[08:50] <tritium> zenrox, want me to send you the updated packages?
[08:51] <CarlK> or is alsaconfig avlible now?
[08:51] <thoreauputic> Nisse: heh - you're welcome :)
[08:51] <tritium> CarlK, no
[08:51] <zenrox> tritium: how
[08:51] <CarlK> rats... I'll go eat some more... ;)
[08:51] <tritium> CarlK, I don't believe there are any plans to include alsaconf
[08:51] <zenrox> tritium:  just tell me whare to wget them
[08:52] <krism> " for filename in `ls`; do ... $filename; done " works great, except when files in the CWD have a space in thier name.
[08:52] <krism> any ideas?
[08:52] <tritium> zenrox, one moment
[08:52] <dud> enclose the filenames in ""
[08:52] <dud> that was directed at krism btw...
[08:52] <Diegote> krism: do ... "$filename"
[08:53] <CarlK> tritium - im still trying to get sound working on my ESS1878 - is there anything new in the last 6 hours?
[08:53] <bruno> tritium: np.. what video driver do you suggest for a matrox millennium G550 card?
[08:53] <jcoiron> hello there
[08:53] <tritium> zenrox, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/esound/
[08:53] <zenrox> ok
[08:53] <tritium> CarlK, updated esound packages
[08:54] <zenrox> exit
[08:54] <Loevborg> is there a package search tool like packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[08:54] <evarlast> apt-cache search and apt-file search -- you can do it right on your computer w/out web
[08:54] <tritium> Loevborg, there's always apt-cache search
[08:54] <thoreauputic> rats. Chatzilla for firefox doesn't do /lastlog :?
[08:55] <tritium> bruno, let me check
[08:55] <dud> thoreauputic, why not use xchat for a graphical irc client?
[08:55] <Loevborg> tritium, except when you don't have a working ubuntu box ready..
[08:55] <jcoiron> I would like to test Ubuntu, the latest version is http://mir1.ovh.net/ubuntu/releases/4.10/warty-release-install-i386.iso, right ?
[08:55] <krism> Diegote : i tried that, it still seperates filenames with spaces in them to multiple $file
[08:55] <dud> thats the latest stable yes jcoiron
[08:56] <thoreauputic> dud: I do that as well - I'm trying out the firefox extension, because it's convnient
[08:56] <thoreauputic> convenient
[08:56] <krism> Diegote : e.g. "08-Demon of Love-DJ Markitos-vbr" becomes "08-Demon" "of" "Love-DJ" "Markitos-vbr"
[08:56] <tritium> Loevborg, oh, very true :)
[08:56] <thoreauputic> dud: I have a few irc bookmarks in firefox...
[08:56] <tritium> Loevborg, what distro do you have?
[08:56] <jcoiron> dud: ok thx
[08:56] <tritium> bruno, I think "nv" is what you want
[08:57] <Diegote> krism: lemme think...
[08:57] <GenghisKhan> hello, i need help with rosetta
[08:57] <krism> Diegote : i've also tried for file in "`ls`" ..  which returns the output of `ls` as one giant string. roar! such a silly little problem
[08:58] <Diegote> krism: and for file in `ls` ? ie, without ""?
[08:58] <tritium> bruno, hold that
[08:58] <evarlast> krism: find with -print0 and xargs -0
[08:58] <CarlK> tritium - is the esound update avalible through the normal apt-get?
[08:58] <spiral> haggai: thanks for your answer... I was eating, sorry
[08:58] <krism> Diegote : it'll seperate space-including filenames into multiple $file
[08:58] <krism> evarlast : ill try that real quick
[08:58] <tritium> CarlK, yes, it's in the repos
[08:58] <zenrox> tritium:  nope dint help
[08:59] <krism> evarlast same problem :/
[08:59] <tritium> zenrox, they're there
[08:59] <krism> (i did for file in `find -print0`)
[08:59] <zenrox> yep thare thare
[08:59] <tritium> 0.2.35-2ubuntu2
[08:59] <Bandit> zenrox still having troubles?
[08:59] <zenrox> yep
[08:59] <zenrox> and yep
[08:59] <evarlast> krism: no, it works, I do it all the time.
[08:59] <tritium> zenrox, those are the updates
[08:59] <krism> evarlast : for files with spaces in thier names? because it just didn't work for me.
[08:59] <evarlast> krism: lose the for loop entirely, and use find or find+xargs
[09:00] <zenrox> tritium:  dint work tho
[09:00] <dud> perhaps you could save you some trouble by using either perl, python or even tcl krism :)
[09:00] <evarlast> krism: paste or pastebin your whole line - yes, files with spaces, files with unprintable, it is no matter
[09:00] <krism> evarlast : .. i actually need the loop because i need to modify each file :)
[09:00] <dud> they have some much more sophisticated loops and replaces
[09:00] <evarlast> krism: find does that build in with find -exec.  You don't need the for loop
[09:00] <spiral> esound updated ? fixes the problem ?
[09:01] <zenrox> tritium:  maby the updates dint fix it for my setup
[09:01] <tritium> bruno, mga
[09:01] <krism> evarlast : yeah, i know of -exec, i'd rather just not jam it all onto one line, but here;
[09:01] <krism> for file in `find -print0`; do echo "argh: $file"; done
[09:01] <tritium> zenrox, I don't know.  I haven't logged out, and haven't experienced any troubles yet
[09:01] <Bandit> zenrox you are running hoary
[09:01] <krism> is a quick & dirty example
[09:02] <zenrox> Bandit: yep hoary
[09:02] <zenrox> tritium:  i was thinking maby i shouldent have loged out
[09:02] <Bandit> zenrox sorry was just checking
[09:02] <zenrox> Bandit:  its ok
[09:02] <evarlast> krism: bash's for explicitly uses whitespace as a separator, it does not work with spaced files, PERIOD.  That is why you use find.
[09:02] <tritium> zenrox, I usually don't.  I just hibernate instead of shutting down.
[09:03] <krism> evarlast : rofl
[09:03] <ja5on> exit
[09:03] <zenrox> hmm
[09:03] <CarlK> why is ide-generic listed in ide-generic?  (this is a ide box, so it seems a little late)
[09:03] <krism> evarlast : sorry, but that's a little ridiculous
[09:04] <krism> evarlast : see "IFS" in `man bash` for example
[09:04] <zenrox> bbl to try agine lator
[09:04] <evarlast> krism: good call, I'll try it.
[09:04] <legion> can sum1 help me i am trying to get and install a media player,if you can help,plz pm me (i am new to linux so u will have to slow when explaning things)
[09:05] <krism> legion : what's the problem?
[09:05] <krism> legion : can't play mp3 files?
[09:05] <legion> i can't play mp3 or video,totem is not working
[09:06] <krism> legion : for mp3, do 'apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad' from the command line as root,
[09:06] <krism> legion : as for totem, .. sorry, i havent used it
[09:06] <evarlast> krism: you really hate "exec" huh?
[09:06] <wezzer> just type sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:06] <wezzer> that will do the root thing
[09:06] <thoreauputic> krism, legion , I believe some have had success with totem-xine and the windows codecs
[09:07] <krism> evarlast : ah, it's just messy if you want to do a bunch of different things, e.g. extract id3 info, convert to wav, etcetera
[09:07] <krism> evarlast : OTOH, it's great for smaller commands
[09:07] <thoreauputic> but gstreamer0.8-mad is good for the mp3 thing
[09:07] <krism> evarlast : what i should do is write a script to hunt down and rename all files with spaces in their damned names
[09:08] <evarlast> krism: ls --quoting-style=shell
[09:08] <evarlast> for i in `ls --quoting-style=shell` ; do echo $i ;done
[09:08] <CarlK> krism - but they keep comming, so you are better of learning how to work with them
[09:08] <krism> evarlast : w00t :)
[09:08] <krism> evarlast : thanks :)
[09:08] <evarlast> no prob.  Sorry if I was terse before.
[09:08] <krism> CarlK : yeah, sarcasm :)
[09:08] <krism> evarlast eh, everyone does it.
[09:08] <legion> krism:i tryed what you said and this came up in my command line E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:09] <thoreauputic> legion: you need more repositories
[09:09] <legion> huh?
[09:09] <tritium> legion, it's in universe
[09:09] <thoreauputic> legion: enable universe and multiverse
[09:09] <krism> legion : what thoreauputic said
[09:09] <krism> evarlast lol oh no!
[09:09] <krism> it's doing the same effin things <g>
[09:10] <thoreauputic> legion: look for repositories in synaptic
[09:11] <evarlast> krism: really?  it didn't for me.
[09:11] <thoreauputic> legion:  it's under "Settings"
[09:11] <krism> evarlast : hmm. lemme fight with it more before saying yes for sure :)
[09:11] <thoreauputic> legion: then just tick the boxes
[09:12] <thoreauputic> legion: and don't forget to reload ( update your package sources)
[09:13] <linuxboy> Anyone here use synaptic? I want an answer for something
[09:13] <racoontje|clone> linuxboy, just ask
[09:13] <Bandit> linuxboy does anyone not
[09:13] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: no, nobody uses it ;)
[09:13] <racoontje|clone> Bandit, I don't.
[09:13] <iTheA> Now i have install ubuntu i had not a chance to change the root pass, what should i do to change it?
[09:14] <Bandit> racoontje|clone you dont know what your missing
[09:14] <racoontje|clone> Bandit, I use ports/portage, but that's another matter
[09:14] <Bandit> racoontje|clone same shit different pile ;)
[09:14] <linuxboy> Look at synaptic. Theres a colum called Pakcage and one called S. Whats the one inbetween them?
[09:14] <thoreauputic> Bandit: coming from Debian, I trust apt-get on CLi for most things
[09:14] <racoontje|clone> Bandit, the reason you assume I haven't ever used synaptic is?
[09:14] <Bandit> like i said above
[09:14] <CarlK> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems  - any recomendations on something better?
[09:14] <racoontje|clone> been there, done that, went back to cvs
[09:15] <Bandit> :)
[09:15] <racoontje|clone> or cervisia
[09:15] <racoontje|clone> or darcs
[09:15] <bruno> tritium: the problem persists. i tried mga as well as the vega driver. when i manually startx, my monitor does the same thing (going blank, as in going 'stand by')
[09:15] <evarlast> krism: I had some screwy results when IFS was still set to something nonstandard, I just unset IFS
[09:15] <bruno> tritium: vega = vesa
[09:15] <racoontje|clone> Bandit, I'm one of the few people that can say "I maked it" without raping english.
[09:16] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: at a glance, I think the ubuntu icons show what you have installed, in that column
[09:16] <racoontje|clone> For crying out loud
[09:16] <racoontje|clone> open a terminal
[09:17] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: no. The S colum does that
[09:17] <racoontje|clone> dpkg -l | grep foo
[09:17] <tritium> bruno, your video driver was working before with the different monitor.  I don't think you should change the video driver.
[09:17] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: yeah, my bad - I use apt-get so...
[09:17] <thoreauputic> might be packages in "main" ? just guessing...
[09:18] <racoontje|clone> thoreauputic, what might be packages in main
[09:18] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: nope. I have some security packages and they have the ubuntu sign
[09:18] <bruno> tritium, what do you suggest i should do to get the 'new' monitor working then?
[09:19] <evarlast> krism: tested and got it.
[09:19] <evarlast> krism: ls | while read i ; do ... done
[09:19] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: hmm... I don't know then, sorry
[09:19] <seacyd> Are sound experts here? My MIC is not recording while sound is working.
[09:19] <tritium> bruno, does your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 have VertRefresh and HorizSync settings?
[09:19] <racoontje|clone> seacyd, hang on a sec
[09:19] <racoontje|clone> tritium, don't bother,
[09:19] <tritium> bruno, also, can you run "sudo ddcprobe"?
[09:19] <racoontje|clone> bruno, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:19] <FarmerTed> anybody try to install Hoary on an iMac G5? i can't
[09:19] <cavediver> Hi all. Anyone know how to install Rhytmbox plugin for mp3? It doesn't seem to work. And both mplayer and xmms has gone crazy.
[09:19] <tritium> racoontje|clone, we're beyond that
[09:20] <racoontje|clone> tritium, what's the problem?
[09:20] <racoontje|clone> seacyd, check alsamixer. the channel is muted by default
[09:20] <tritium> racoontje|clone, new monitor goes straight to standby mode
[09:20] <seacyd> racoontje|clone: done, it is unmuted
[09:20] <racoontje|clone> toggle mute is M, then you raise the volume
[09:21] <tritium> racoontje|clone, he's not running xorg, either
[09:21] <tritium> bruno, any edid data from ddcprobe?
[09:21] <seacyd> racoontje|clone: volume is up, audio-recording does not work
[09:21] <thoreauputic> cavediver: I'm not sure the G5 is supported - I have an iBook G4 but I seem to recall reading that G5 is problematic (as you are finding) I may be wrong, however
[09:22] <cavediver> cavediver: wrong nick ;)
[09:22] <racoontje|clone> seacyd, getting absolutely nothing? Not even line noise?
[09:22] <cavediver> oh my
[09:22] <cavediver> :)
[09:22] <bruno> tritium: edidfail it says at the end
[09:22] <cavediver> I'm stupid to.
[09:22] <seacyd> racoontje|clone: No, Audacity complains when starting
[09:22] <tritium> bruno, that may be the problem.
[09:22] <thoreauputic> cavediver: oops sorry - Farmer Ted I meant
[09:22] <racoontje|clone> seacyd, define "complains"
[09:23] <tritium> bruno, with this new monitor, we may have to manually configure refresh rates
[09:23] <seacyd> ...had to translate...error in I/O layer initializing
[09:23] <racoontje|clone> tritium, isn't that what dpkg-reconfigure does too?
[09:23] <cavediver> Anyone else having problems with xmms and mplayer in hoary ?
[09:23] <CarlK> there is /usr/bin/speaker-test
[09:23] <racoontje|clone> dpkg-reconfigure allows you to set horizsync and vertsync afaik.
[09:23] <tritium> racoontje|clone, yes, you can
[09:23] <racoontje|clone> at least it did on debian
[09:23] <FarmerTed> Up until Array-3, I couldn't get past yaboot
[09:23] <krism> evarlast : ah har: "IFS=:" then "for file in `find -printf "%p:"`; do echo "argh: $file"; done"
[09:23] <thoreauputic> cavediver: you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed?
[09:24] <tritium> racoontje|clone, but his old monitor provided edid data
[09:24] <krism> (e.g. IFS is ':' and find prints output seperated by ':')
[09:24] <FarmerTed> now it crashes at detecting my cd drive
[09:24] <evarlast> krism: see my different solution
[09:24] <cavediver> thoreauputic: will have a look.
[09:24] <Cardinal> Hi all, can anyone offer advce on GRUB it keeps stalling at stage 2 :(
[09:24] <racoontje|clone> tritium, he found a new monitor that doesn't provide edid data?
[09:24] <tritium> yep
[09:24] <thoreauputic> cavediver: that solved my mp3 problems (but on Warty)
[09:24] <racoontje|clone> Wow.
[09:24] <krism> evarlast : ah, i see it now. thanks. this whole bit was mostly about forcing bash to do what i wanted it to <g>
[09:24] <bruno> tritium: the XF86Config-4 shows refresh rates: horizSync: 30-95 / VertRefresh 50-160
[09:24] <cavediver> thoreauputic: Yes, a whole bunch of libgstremer packages.
[09:24] <tritium> bruno, probably for your old monitor?
[09:25] <thoreauputic> including gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[09:25] <tritium> bruno, what are the specs on your new one?
[09:25] <linuxboy> Is there any advantage in installing a kernel for your arch? (ie, why sould i install i686 if i have i686, whats wrong with i386?)
[09:25] <racoontje|clone> bruno, change those values to something more conservative. 40-70 60-140
[09:25] <racoontje|clone> linuxboy, slightly faster
[09:25] <CarlK> linuxboy - slightly faster
[09:25] <CarlK> bam!
[09:25] <FarmerTed> i think it improves performance and power usage
[09:25] <racoontje|clone> lol GMTA CarlK :D
[09:25] <racoontje|clone> FarmerTed, power usage?
[09:25] <bruno> tritium: after i ran dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:25] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: not a huge boost
[09:26] <racoontje|clone> Last time I checked even -386 had speedstep etc
[09:26] <FarmerTed> for laptops, I think
[09:26] <FarmerTed> I remember reading that somewhere
[09:26] <linuxboy> how can it be faster?
[09:26] <ewhitten> wooo, it's alive alliiiiiveee!
[09:26] <ewhitten> (beagle)
[09:26] <cavediver> This sucks, both xmms and totem hangs and crash when trying to play music.
[09:26] <tritium> bruno, better to get the proper rates for your monitor
[09:26] <racoontje|clone> linuxboy, what do you mean?
[09:26] <racoontje|clone> linuxboy, you ever coded asm?
[09:26] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: a noticable boost?
[09:26] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: compiled for a more advanced arch = slightly faster
[09:27] <racoontje|clone> linuxboy, read "The tao of Programming", come back, and I'll tell you why having things understand more than your basic x86 CISC is a good thing.
[09:27] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: I don't know - I don't bother with it really
[09:27] <tritium> bruno, can you put your /var/log/XFree86.0.log on pastebin?
[09:27] <racoontje|clone> linuxboy, it's usually a good thing for floating point operations. Say, most lossy video codecs.
[09:27] <linuxboy> racoontje|clone: nope
[09:27] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: I have a 686 kernel and a 386 and I don't notice a difference really
[09:28] <racoontje|clone> linuxboy, compare an mplayer binary that was compiled with -mtune=athlon64 -msse -msse2 -fprofile-use to one without, on an athlon 64.
[09:28] <racoontje|clone> on things like lossy video codecs, I wouldn't be surprised if you saw a doubling of your fps
[09:29] <HrdwrBoB> from 24 to 24?
[09:29] <Kenotic> I updated my system with the new kernel the other day and I can not seem to get my nvidia drivers back working. Can someone give me a hand?
[09:29] <HrdwrBoB> if a video is encoded in 24fps
[09:29] <linuxboy> racoontje|clone: it will only speed up prosesses that use the 'better' features af your arch? ie, youll see MMX speed ups etc?
[09:29] <thoreauputic> racoontje|clone: that's interesting
[09:29] <bruno> tritium: what's pastebin?
[09:29] <racoontje|clone> HrdwrBoB, just because it's encoded at xxfps doesn't mean it can't be rendered at that speed.
[09:30] <bruno> racoontje|clone: no luck with your rates
[09:30] <tritium> bruno, don't use arbitrary rates
[09:30] <seacyd> For a MIC (microphone) what /dev do have to exist?
[09:30] <Cardinal> ok got to go I will try again sometime
[09:30] <racoontje|clone> tritium, are you sure it's the rates?
[09:30] <thoreauputic> racoontje|clone: you like watching stuff at double speed ;) ?
[09:30] <racoontje|clone> I'm more inclined to think it's a monitor with broken power saving.
[09:31] <tritium> racoontje|clone, I'm waiting to see his XFree86.0.log
[09:31] <racoontje|clone> thoreauputic, the movies aren't faster or slower. Some codecs allow tweening, which means that a 20fps movie can be played smoothly.
[09:31] <tritium> bruno, http://www.pastebin.com/
[09:31] <racoontje|clone> It's not like playing 20rpm vinyl at 40rpm.
[09:32] <thoreauputic> racoontje|clone: ah, I see - I'm vastly ignorant on the subject, obviously - I don't really use computers for video much
[09:32] <racoontje|clone> thoreauputic, www.click.be
[09:32] <racoontje|clone> I build video editing boxes for a living
[09:32] <thoreauputic> looking, thanks
[09:32] <racoontje|clone> It's dutch. You won't understand ;-0
[09:33] <Kenotic> If my video card was working with the other kernel and all I did was an apt-get upgrade and got the new one it should still work correct?
[09:33] <bruno> tritium: how do get that log file output from my command line to the web?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> hehe - well, maybe learning Dutch is easier than learning Linux ;)
[09:33] <ewhitten> Anyone know what version of inotify is in the latest ubuntu kernel (hoary), or how to find it?
[09:33] <racoontje|clone> Kenotic, depends. If you're not using fglrx/ati's drivers or nvidia's drivers or any driver that has a kernel module, yes.
[09:33] <racoontje|clone> ewhitten, look up the patchset?
[09:33] <ewhitten> racoontje|clone:  doh. you're right.
[09:33] <ewhitten> :)
[09:34] <tritium> Kenotic, nvidia?
[09:34] <Kenotic> racoontje|clone, I am using nvidia
[09:34] <tritium> Kenotic, no problem
[09:34] <racoontje|clone> Kenotic, are you using the nvidia /DRIVER/
[09:34] <tritium> Kenotic, the new kernel works with the linux-restricted-modules
[09:34] <racoontje|clone> Kenotic, ie the nvidia binary module
[09:34] <Kenotic> yeah but now I can not ker x to start
[09:34] <kahuna_> Hi. What would cause my PS2 keyboard and mouse to stop working after a custom kernel upgrade to 2.6.8.1? I compiled the keyboard support right into the kernel.
[09:34] <racoontje|clone> or just the "nv" driver
[09:34] <Kenotic> nvidia
[09:34] <racoontje|clone> Kenotic, why didn't you tell us the first time it broke and died ;-)
[09:34] <thoreauputic> racoontje|clone: that URL doesn't resolve here, anyway, for some reason...
[09:35] <tritium> Kenotic, what version of kernel and l-r-m do you have?
[09:35] <racoontje|clone> thoreauputic, right you are.
[09:35] <edulix> hey !
[09:35] <tritium> bruno, use a text editor to cut and then paste into pastebin
[09:35] <racoontje|clone> You'll just have to take my word for it then ;-)
[09:35] <thoreauputic> racoontje|clone: OK, I'll believe you :)
[09:35] <edulix> here someone who is trying to configure ssh to work over inet. it works locally perfectly,
[09:35] <Kenotic> I am using kernel 2.6.7-1 k7
[09:36] <Kenotic> oppss
[09:36] <Kenotic> kernel 2.6.8.1-5-k7
[09:36] <edulix> I've configured the fireqwall port forwadding for tcp 22 to my pc, and people from inet even get asked for password. if they enter an invalid one, they are asked again. if they enter the right password, nothing more happens. it keeps waiting!
[09:37] <tritium> Kenotic, you're using Warty?
[09:37] <Kenotic> I have uninstalled the nvidia drivers and reinstalled them and can not seem to get it to come up
[09:37] <Kenotic> yep
[09:37] <racoontje|clone> Kenotic, modprobe nvidia gives?
[09:37] <Kenotic> FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
[09:38] <racoontje|clone> Aha!.
[09:38] <tritium> Kenotic, what version of linux-restricted-modules do you have?
[09:38] <racoontje|clone> apt-get remove l-r-m && apt-get install l-r-m
[09:38] <racoontje|clone> ?
[09:38] <edulix> when I talk about ssh, I mean sshd :)
[09:38] <tritium> Kenotic, it needs to match your kernel version exactly
[09:38] <racoontje|clone> tritium, does l-r-m contain nvidia
[09:38] <racoontje|clone> ?
[09:38] <tritium> racoontje|clone, yes
[09:38] <bruno> tritium: i can't get to the web on my ubuntu machine, ssh doesn't seem to work either..
[09:38] <Kenotic> 2.6.1.3-5
[09:39] <tritium> Kenotic, it needs to match your kernel version exactly.  That's the proble.
[09:39] <tritium> problem.
[09:39] <Kenotic> tritium, updating now
[09:39] <tritium> bruno, oh...
[09:40] <Kenotic> That looks like it got it
[09:40] <Kenotic> going to restart x
[09:40] <edulix> uhm how about nvidia for hoary ?
[09:40] <edulix> I'm curious about that. with 2.6.10 of course
[09:41] <tritium> edulix, very good
[09:41] <kahuna_> this sucks. I've had nothing but problems with ubuntu trying to compile my own kernel.
[09:41] <tritium> edulix, what architecture?
[09:41] <thoreauputic> bruno: can you ping an IP? like  ping  216.239.57.99  ?
[09:41] <tritium> kahuna_, why bother?
[09:41] <thoreauputic> bruno: if so, you need nameservers in your /etc/resolv.conf
[09:42] <petterah> hi all :) are there any docs on the internet on howto setup ubuntu as terminal server, like a big school network or something? thanks
[09:42] <tritium> kahuna_, are you using make-kpkg (kernel-package)
[09:42] <edulix> tritium: i686
[09:42] <kahuna_> I need realtime capabilities with jack and it needs a security module to be compiled. For the security module, I need selinux support compiled in but it's not by default
[09:42] <edulix> I mena, x96
[09:42] <edulix> x86 :P
[09:42] <kahuna_> Yes, I'm use make-kpkg
[09:42] <edulix> or maybe just pc ?
[09:42] <tritium> edulix, you should be good to go
[09:43] <thoreauputic> petterah: not sure if Linux terminal Server runs on Ubuntu (LTSP project) Might be worth looking
[09:43] <tritium> kahuna_, I see...
[09:43] <Kenotic> tritium, That worked
[09:43] <Kenotic> thatnks
[09:43] <Kenotic> thanks
[09:43] <tritium> Kenotic, no problem :)
[09:43] <bruno> thoreauputic: i'm on line on my linux machine, i'm just wondering how to get the content of that config file to a web page (ie cut and paste). don't i need x to do that?
[09:43] <petterah> ok, ubuntu is stable and ok for server use right?
[09:43] <tritium> bruno, oh, that's right...no X
[09:43] <tritium> bruno, you can send it to me
[09:43] <thoreauputic> bruno: you can use cli ftp ( either ftp or lftp for instance)
[09:44] <tritium> petterah, Warty is
[09:44] <petterah> ok, thanks, i think its warty i have..
[09:44] <petterah> its the current stable release right?
[09:44] <petterah> and the next one isn't out yet ?
[09:44] <YankDownUnder> Arg....anyone have issues installing XFce on Hoarey?
[09:44] <edulix> tritium: oh, I remember that a few days ago I tried to download nvidia packages and I only found them for warty version. anyway, good to see that they're there!
[09:44] <thoreauputic> bruno: ah, sorry - misunderstood you I think
[09:45] <tritium> edulix, yes, been here all along, actually
[09:45] <bruno> thoreauputic, tritium: gotta run, thanks for all the help, i'll log on again tomorrow for a new session :)
[09:45] <bruno> bye for now
[09:45] <thoreauputic> bye bruno
[09:46] <tritium> bruno, see you
[09:46] <YankDownUnder> thoreauputic: Long time no see mate
[09:46] <AndyR> lo all
[09:46] <Kenotic> tritium, I have a dumb question. What does l-r-m do?
[09:46] <thoreauputic> YankDownUnder: you've deserted the Mandrake fold then ;) ?
[09:47] <tritium> Kenotic, it contains "restricted" modules like nvidia and fglrx
[09:47] <H0lyD4wg> how do i make gnome use a WM other than metcity?
[09:47] <thoreauputic> YankDownUnder: I'm all Debian and Ubuntu now :)
[09:47] <YankDownUnder> thoreauputic: Nah - just doing ubuntu for myself for testing => and for some servers
[09:47] <thoreauputic> aha
[09:47] <Octane> hi all, can someone please point me out to a good howto on installation? the wiki's installation ("firststeps") is kinda broken
[09:47] <YankDownUnder> thoreauputic: Company that I'm doing work for us all Debian....up 'round UTS
[09:48] <thoreauputic> YankDownUnder: tried MDK 10.1 - nice, but I prefer apt-get to urpmi personally
[09:48] <thoreauputic> YankDownUnder: Ubuntu rocks - everything works out of the box here
[09:48] <Kenotic> tritium, Maybe it is just not me understanding how Debian and Ubuntu does things but why didnt installing the nvidia kernel give me the module?
[09:48] <YankDownUnder> thoreauputic: Yeah - true - I prefer compiling everything I want on it's own though
[09:49] <evarlast> thoreauputic: have you found an equiv of urpmi_rpm-leaf-nodes ?
[09:49] <thoreauputic> YankDownUnder: you can do that on Debian/Ubuntu - I have a number of compiled things here
[09:49] <tritium> Kenotic, you installed nvidia-glx, not a kernel module
[09:49] <tritium> Kenotic, the module itself is in l-r-m
[09:49] <thoreauputic> evarlast: frankly I have no idea what that is :)
[09:49] <Kenotic> tritium, I really have nvidia-kernel-common installed
[09:50] <thoreauputic> YankDownUnder: checkinstall is nice for making a package from what you build
[09:50] <Kenotic> tritium, No big deal I was just wondering
[09:50] <tritium> Kenotic, yes, I know
[09:50] <tritium> Kenotic, but that contains other files
[09:50] <Kenotic> tritium, Just was a little confusing
[09:50] <tritium> Kenotic, "dpkg -L nvidia-kernel-common"
[09:51] <tritium> Kenotic, it doesn't contain anything in /lib/modules
[09:51] <evarlast> thoreauputic: it was a wonderful program that urpmi handles, and apt has no equivalent.  It finds orphaned packages.
[09:51] <Kenotic> I see that now
[09:51] <Pugio-Other> hello
[09:51] <Pugio-Other> and help
[09:51] <Kenotic> Now I know
[09:51] <LinuxJones> evarlast, deborphan
[09:51] <Pugio-Other> ubuntu just all of a sudden stopped startix X on boot
[09:51] <Pugio-Other> it seems to just entere runelevel 2
[09:52] <Pugio-Other> and that's it
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> deborphan -- Find orphaned libraries.
[09:52] <thoreauputic> evarlast: isn't there a deborphan program? Don't know if it's the same though
[09:52] <Pugio-Other> what happpppened to runlevel 5 or something?
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> Pugio-Other: runlevel 2-5 are exactly the same
[09:52] <HrdwrBoB> Pugio-Other: if it's not starting X, it's probably broken in some way
[09:52] <tritium> also, aptitude and synaptic can find orphans
[09:53] <ZorroBytes> I've had a very recent problem with a sync with the latest in the repo
[09:53] <Pugio-Other> HrdwrBoB but it isn't
[09:53] <evarlast> indeed, thanks.  been looking for that for years.  So all i have to say is #debian can go to hell
[09:53] <bascule> is aptitude just an ncurses synaptic?
[09:53] <Pugio-Other> I'm on X right now
[09:53] <ZorroBytes> I was being logged out of Gnome within a few seconds
[09:53] <ZorroBytes> of trying to log in.
[09:53] <Pugio-Other> hrdwrBoB ty ping startx works perfectly
[09:54] <thoreauputic> evarlast: they are already there most of the time ;)
[09:54] <HrdwrBoB> Pugio-Other: what about /etc/init.d/gdm start
[09:54] <HrdwrBoB> (that's what ubuntu does)
[09:54] <HrdwrBoB> evarlast: that's a common view :)
[09:54] <Pugio-Other> HrdwrBoB, I'll try , got to stop x
[09:54] <H0lyD4wg> am i automatically labelled a moron for wanting to use a WM other than metacity or something?
[09:54] <HrdwrBoB> H0lyD4wg: not really
[09:55] <tritium> bascule, I don't believe they're related, but it's a good analogy
[09:55] <HrdwrBoB> metacity isn't that bad though
[09:55] <thoreauputic> H0lyD4wg: heh - Havoc doesn't want you to!
[09:55] <bascule> tritium: OK, thnks, must/should just play eith it really and see :)
[09:56] <tritium> bascule, me too.  I really only use apt-get
[09:56] <zenrox> damn it
[09:56] <ZorroBytes> H0lyD4wg: xfce4 works pretty well on Ubuntu
[09:56] <zenrox> still broke
[09:56] <cevans> On a Dell D600 running hoary, whenever I restart, the clock is exactly one day too fast. Does anyone know what would cause this?
[09:56] <zenrox> tritium:  i am going to have to do a reinstall
[09:56] <dredg> H0lyD4wg: no no.. since removing metacity and using xfwm4 with gnome as the window manager my gnome experience has been more pleasant
[09:57] <khaled> cevans: BIOS ?
[09:57] <tritium> zenrox, that sounds like overkill
[09:57] <cevans> khaled: yes, that is what I am thinking.
[09:57] <zenrox> tritium: i have tried every thang and nothen works
[09:57] <H0lyD4wg> dredg, how did you tell it to use xfwm4 ?
[09:57] <khaled> cevans, yeh..try changing there
[09:58] <dredg> H0lyD4wg: run gnome-session-properties
[09:58] <dredg> find metacity in there
[09:58] <thoreauputic> H0lyD4wg: I think you can use update-alternatives, but I can't recall exactly how
[09:58] <neil> Hi everyone. I installed Ubuntu this morning, quite pleased with it, even though I've never really used Gnome before.
[09:58] <zenrox> tritium: i have tried reconfiguring the packages, uninstalling them reinstalling them, manuly installing them
[09:58] <dredg> change it's style from 'restart' to normal
[09:58] <zenrox> nothen works
[09:58] <dredg> hit apply, then from a terminal run 'killall metacity; xfwm4 &'
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> neil: excellent :)
[09:59] <WillCooke> Is anyone using a NOVA-T DVB card under ubuntu?
[09:59] <Octane> should i trust ubuntu's automatic disk paritioner
[09:59] <HrdwrBoB> Octane: in terms of what?
[09:59] <zenrox> Octane: only if you do want to louse windows
[09:59] <H0lyD4wg> dredg, thanks :)
[09:59] <khaled> Octane, sure.. you will be given time to confirm
[09:59] <thoreauputic> Octane: depends what you are trying to do
[09:59] <cevans> dredg: How do you get the panel to be sticky after doing that?
[09:59] <neil> Well impressed! I'm just trying to make the transition from the KDE way of doing things to the Gnome way.
[10:01] <Octane> just trying to have a decent system! :)
[10:01] <dredg> cevans: can't remember. think i just restarted the panel
[10:01] <Octane> i see that it only creates an ext3 part and swap, not a boot one
[10:01] <thoreauputic> Octane: you can choose manual/assisted partitioning if you have a multi-partition system
[10:01] <cevans> dredg: Ok, that worked. Thank you.
[10:01] <Kenotic> When will hoary be able to be used
[10:01] <thoreauputic> Octane: you don't need separate /boot
[10:01] <dredg> cevans: np. just happy to have edge-flipping... mmm tastes sane :)
[10:01] <sri> kent: it did
[10:01] <cevans> Kenotic: I am using it now?
[10:01] <Octane> thoreauputic but i eventually want to dual boot with xp
[10:01] <sri> kent: and it made sense becuase prior to having my session problems, totem wasn't working
[10:01] <TraceyTux> I've got 2 hard disks, the first (hda) for Windows and the other (hdb) for Ubuntu. At the moment the data/software partitions on the 1st hard disk are C: and D: (the floppy is A:, my DVD drive is E: and my CD-RW burner is G:). I'd like to be able to see Windows on hda from Ubuntu on hdb. Is this possible, and if so how would I edit etc/fstab to achieve this?
[10:01] <Kenotic> cevans, How stable is it
[10:02] <Bandit> Kenotic i am using hoary as well
[10:02] <cevans> Kenotic: I had some trouble a few months ago, but it works very well now.
[10:02] <thoreauputic> Octane: I have a triple boot with XP, Debian and Ubuntu without a separate /boot partition: you don't need one
[10:02] <Bandit> at the moment stable
[10:02] <Octane> thoreauputic okay nice, so ill just have one ext3 and one swap
[10:02] <Octane> thank you for your guidance
[10:03] <LinuxJones> TraceyTux, >> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[10:03] <thoreauputic> Octane: you just let grub install on MBR and act as the boot loader for all OS you have on the machine
[10:04] <thoreauputic> Octane: if I were you I'd install wintendo first though
[10:04] <thoreauputic> Octane: otherwise things get complicated fast
[10:05] <Pugio-Other> HrdwrBoB, no go
[10:05] <Pugio-Other> HrdwrBoB, gdm isn't starting
[10:05] <cevans> dredg: I forgot completely about edge-flipping. Xfwm is really much better.
[10:05] <Pugio-Other> and I don't know which log it's posting to
[10:05] <Pugio-Other> fdh
[10:08] <Pugio-Other> please somebody
[10:08] <Pugio-Other> X isn't starting at boot
[10:08] <Pugio-Other> cause gdm won't start
[10:08] <Kenotic> Bandit, After I add the repositories for hoary do I just do an apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:08] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, can you start gdm manually?
[10:09] <Bandit> yes
[10:09] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, no
[10:09] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, and I don't know where to get any error output from
[10:09] <Octane> python2.3 fails installing, says its either the cd or the network. is there a way to fix this in the install?
[10:09] <Octane> i mean, can i make the ubuntu installer download it
[10:10] <Pugio-Other> also
[10:10] <Ribs> Octane: Just cleaning the disc may be enough
[10:10] <Pugio-Other> is there supposed to be a nice pretty splash screen during ubuntu bootup?
[10:10] <Pugio-Other> cause all I see is ugly text
[10:10] <Ribs> Pugio-Other: No, that's coming in Hoary (probabily)
[10:10] <Ribs> pretty boot screens aren't really a prority
[10:10] <Pugio-Other> right
[10:10] <Octane> seriously
[10:10] <Pugio-Other> so, how come I can't get gdm to start?
[10:10] <Ribs> Pugio-Other: Pass
[10:11] <Ribs> Pugio-Other: Using warty, right?
[10:11] <Pugio-Other> yah
[10:11] <Octane> Ribs, is there a way to make it get it from ftp?
[10:11] <Ribs> Don't know then
[10:11] <Ribs> not with the information you've given
[10:11] <Ribs> Octane: not that I know of
[10:11] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, what happens when you do /etc/init.d/gdm start ?
[10:11] <Pugio-Other> nothing
[10:11] <Pugio-Other> whatsoever
[10:11] <Ribs> Octane: I've only used the install program twice, I'm not an expert on it
[10:11] <shock> oh great... now all my x11 apps under osx have the proper keyboard layout.... just not everything else
[10:12] <CarlK> If someone will help me get my sound working, I'll add the steps to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[10:12] <shock> YAK
[10:12] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, nothing happens, I just get a shell prompt
[10:12] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, you're running it with sudo right?
[10:12] <Pugio-Other> yeah
[10:13] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, yup, no difference, I've been getting some other (unrelated) errors regarding my "Xauthority" file
[10:13] <Pugio-Other> which may not be so unrelated
[10:13] <edulix> hi !
[10:13] <Ribs> Pugio-Other: Try renaming that file
[10:13] <Ribs> Pugio-Other: It could be thinking X is already running
[10:13] <edulix> now it works
[10:13] <edulix> the nvidia driver
[10:13] <edulix> I'm using xcompmgr now with it it in my hoary :)
[10:14] <Octane> what ver of hoary is out?
[10:14] <Pugio-Other> Ribs which file do you want me to rename?
[10:14] <edulix> didn't gnome 2.10 manage the composite extension by itself?
[10:14] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, normall you would get some kind of error message if it won't work
[10:14] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, you can look at /var/log/XOrg.log or smth like that
[10:14] <Ribs> Pugio-Other: the XAuthority file it's complaining about
[10:14] <Bandit> Octane hoary has not been released yet..Its still in testing
[10:14] <Octane> Bandit i know, but im sure its public testing
[10:14] <Pugio-Other> Ribs ok
[10:14] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, looking...
[10:15] <Bandit> Octane check out the channel topic
[10:15] <Octane> god damnit i cant believe my god damn cd's integrity is f'd
[10:15] <Octane> this is the second cd
[10:15] <Ribs> Octane: There probabily is a way of doing a net-install
[10:15] <Pugio-Other> Ribs and Loevborg, hang on gotta log out of X (startx works)_
[10:15] <Pugio-Other> let me try it
[10:15] <CarlK> Octane - are you in teh middle of an install?
[10:15] <Octane> CarlK yes
[10:15] <Ribs> Octane: I just don't know it :) Google for it
[10:15] <Octane> just one file's integrity
[10:16] <edulix> how can I automatically exectue xcompmgr -fc when I enter gnome ?
[10:16] <Haukkari> hey, can anyone figure out all these games (pictures of the games in there and a textfield besides): http://ses.blog.hu/game/prog/index.pl
[10:16] <Silvergun> i've dl'd and installed the Warty iso twice, but install always fails at the package kernel-386...?
[10:16] <Haukkari> Yeah, off-topic, big deal. =)
[10:16] <CarlK> Octane - does Alt-F2, get you to a promt?
[10:17] <edulix> 08. half-life
[10:17] <Octane> yah im in console
[10:17] <CarlK> Octane - I did this yeterday: wget http://my.local.server/temp/hoary...iso
[10:17] <CarlK> umount /cdrom
[10:17] <edulix> :P
[10:17] <CarlK> mount -o loop hoary.iso /cdrom
[10:18] <CarlK> (I was surprised the umount worked)
[10:18] <Octane> CarlK your internet is probably faster than mine :)
[10:18] <CarlK> Octane - I had the iso on another box running apache
[10:18] <Octane> ahhhh, smartttt!
[10:18] <CarlK> took 15min over a 11mb wifi car
[10:18] <Octane> i now remember!
[10:18] <Octane> i have it on another box as well
[10:18] <Octane> good idea!
[10:18] <CarlK> ding ding!
[10:18] <Octane> ta ad!
[10:18] <Octane> da*
[10:19] <CarlK> I know I was when it worked for me
[10:19] <TraceyTux> Thanks for the help with my 1st question, here's another! Last week I bought a Belkin Hi-Speed Usb 2.0 7-port Hub (the one with the top loading feature).  The packaging and documentation only mention Windows and Mac OS, so will it work with Ubuntu, as I've heard the distro has the full Project Utopia, so should support USB?
[10:20] <CarlK> maybe that should be my first wiki contribution: something I succeeded at ;)
[10:20] <thoreauputic> CarlK: yes, that would help a lot of people I imagine
[10:21] <Octane> CarlK you can add a testimonial of mine if this works :)
[10:22] <CarlK> anyone know what other netowrk transfers are supported? (wget was my first try, so I didn't try ftp, nfs, scp...)
[10:22] <thoreauputic> CarlK: nfs is a bit of a pain to set up just for a download
[10:23] <CarlK> thoreauputic - easier than setting up apache? ;)
[10:23] <thoreauputic> heh - yes I guess so ! :)
[10:23] <Octane> hey CarlK , wher did you wget it to?
[10:23] <thoreauputic> I thought you already had apache set up ;)
[10:24] <CarlK> Octane - into /target
[10:24] <Octane> yah just as you said that i cd'd there
[10:24] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic: not really
[10:24] <|QuaD-> i hate windows!!! i am on my office pc and just got a virus!
[10:24] <CarlK> thoreauputic "I" do, but not everyone has this forsight
[10:24] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get install nfs-user-server
[10:25] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, no go
[10:25] <HrdwrBoB> sudo vi /etc/exports
[10:25] <HrdwrBoB> mount othercomputer:/dir remote
[10:25] <Pugio-Other> I can't find a single reason  or log entry as to why gdm isn't starting
[10:25] <Octane> could not find a spare loop device"
[10:25] <Pugio-Other> anyojne know why gdm wouldn't start on ubuntu?
[10:25] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: ah - OK I got nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common, but I had to do some digging to get exports set up and hosts.allow etc
[10:26] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: but I'm a novice, really
[10:26] <CarlK> HrdwrBoB - can you mount nfs from the setup's kernel?
[10:26] <Sav> Can i only use firestarter for 1 network device at a time?
[10:26] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, you're not being helpful
[10:26] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic: nfs is still somewhat annoying
[10:26] <Octane> CarlK, see the error i get?
[10:26] <HrdwrBoB> CarlK: you can see in /proc/filesystems
[10:27] <HrdwrBoB> CarlK: I beleive that you should be able to, however I've not certain
[10:27] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg,  I know, but I don't know where to look
[10:27] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg,  really I tried
[10:27] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: also there was an obscure default I had to disable to get portmap working
[10:27] <CarlK> Octane - error?
[10:27] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg,  it's just plain NOT starting, waith no reason why
[10:27] <Octane> mount says it cant find a spare loop device
[10:27] <mmuller> why when i update does ubuntu hoary lose its nice cursor ?
[10:28] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic: ahr, yes, you're right :)
[10:28] <CarlK> Octane - that sucks... wonder what the problem is
[10:28] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, :( you really should scan the log file. you can also upload it somewhere so we can have a look.
[10:28] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg,  I DID SCAN the file, there's nothing whatsoever
[10:29] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, it's empty?
[10:29] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg,  I checked all the last modification times
[10:29] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, which log specifically do you want?
[10:29] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg,  the "XFree..." one?
[10:29] <Pugio-Other> or "XF ... sorry
[10:29] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, yes probably
[10:30] <Octane> hey CarlK
[10:30] <Octane> add this to your wiki
[10:30] <Octane> if u get a a could not find spare loop device
[10:30] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, it's not empty, but it doesn't show anything...oh I'l justa double check it hang on
[10:31] <Octane> user should do modprobe loop
[10:31] <CarlK> no kidding
[10:31] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, ok, so where do you want me to post it too?
[10:31] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg,  the flood channel?
[10:31] <cavediver> Am I the only one with a xmms crasching whila playing mp3 ?
[10:32] <Octane> get amarock!
[10:32] <CarlK> cavediver - you are 3 steps ahead of me.  I am still trying to get it to load a driver ;)
[10:32] <cavediver> That's like i kde-thing right? :)
[10:32] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, http://rafb.net/paste/
[10:32] <cavediver> CarlK: I see :=)
[10:32] <hawkman> Anyone else experience Gaim being unstable and closing after some time ? seems it only started doing t after I used it to log into MSN as well as ICQ instead of using amsn for msn.
[10:32] <thoreauputic> amarok is very nice
[10:32] <Sav> Can i only use firestarter for 1 network device at a time?
[10:33] <Octane> it is, to be honest, its one of the main reasons im switching to linux, lol
[10:33] <cavediver> My gaim is rock-solid. Can not say the sama about xmms and mplayer.
[10:33] <Octane> try xine?
[10:33] <njan> hawkman, in my experience, the MSN portion of gaim breaks more often than other protocols. Whenever gaim is iffy for me, it's when I'm doing something with MSN.
[10:34] <thoreauputic> njan: what a surprise :/ (not)
[10:34] <njan> thoreauputic, yeah. MSN disconnects with random 'authentication failures' about every 45 minutes for me, too.
[10:34] <njan> thoreauputic, the MSN server administrator has a cron job running every 45 minutes which disconnects clients which are !MSNMessenger
[10:34] <njan> :)
[10:35] <thoreauputic> njan: yeah, that sounds totally in character :/
[10:35] <TraceyTux> No-one has answered my question!!!
[10:35] <SiRrUs> well well boys and girls I am back
[10:35] <njan> TraceyTux, you didn't put enough exclamation marks on the end of it :)
[10:35] <njan> TraceyTux, if you reask it and I know the answer, I'll give it to you! :)
[10:36] <Ribs> HI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:36] <Ribs> \o/
[10:36] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, ok hang on
[10:37] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB:  that file was /etc/default/portmap ( changed by commenting the line that restricts it to listening only on 127.0.0.1 - how we are supposed to know that's there is beyond me ....
[10:37] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, http://rafb.net/paste/results/wB2lgW77.html
[10:37] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, that's it
[10:37] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: I imagine that's a showstopper for most nfs beginners...
[10:37] <TraceyTux> Thanks for the help with my 1st question, here's another! Last week I bought a Belkin Hi-Speed Usb 2.0 7-port Hub (the one with the top loading feature).  The packaging and documentation only mention Windows and Mac OS, so will it work with Ubuntu, as I've heard the distro has the full Project Utopia, so should support USB?!!!!!
[10:37] <cavediver> I'm looking in the multimedia selection thing. And it is set to ESD, not ALSA or OSS. They don't seem to work. Can that cause the problem
[10:38] <Ribs> TraceyTux: Don't ask us. Google will have the answer with such things
[10:38] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, well it worked!
[10:38] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, ???
[10:38] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, probably that's the log of your current X session, isn't it?
[10:38] <Ribs> TraceyTux: you could just plug it in and see if it 'just works'
[10:38] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg,  yup,
[10:38] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, why not send the one that FAILED?
[10:38] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, no new data is generated when I run the gdm
[10:38] <jesuel> Ribs, thats always fun to do ;p
[10:38] <thoreauputic> cavediver: esound is currently broken in Hoary
[10:39] <Ribs> nah
[10:39] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, NONe of them failed
[10:39] <Ribs> hotplugging memory is fun to do ;)
[10:39] <jesuel> lol
[10:39] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, ..
[10:39] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, the gdm command just doesn't work, it doesn't write anything to the log
[10:39] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, gdm won't start but "startx" opens up a gnome/x session
[10:39] <cavediver> thoreauputic: really? That could be a explenation maybe. But why isn't alsa working ?
[10:39] <Pugio-Other> Loevborg, in whatever user is currently logged in to the shell
[10:40] <cavediver> could not construct alsa pipeline it sais when testing it.
[10:40] <thoreauputic> cavediver: I'm no sound expet I'm afraid, but all three are interlinked and related
[10:40] <Loevborg> Pugio-Other, that's highly unlikely, it should at least say _something_ if you rund "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start"
[10:40] <thoreauputic> oss. alsa. esd
[10:42] <hawkman> Anyone know any IRdA apps I can use to transfer files to my cellphone on linux.
[10:42] <SiRrUs> thoreauputic esound is broke?
[10:42] <thoreauputic> apparently, yes
[10:42] <SiRrUs> hmmm it was working
[10:43] <TraceyTux> Here's my next question! I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.  What's the hexadecimal number to do this, as I can't seem to do this with the colour picker?
[10:43] <TraceyTux> Here's my next question! I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.  What's the hexadecimal number to do this, as I can't seem to do this with the colour picker?
[10:43] <TraceyTux> Here's my next question! I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.  What's the hexadecimal number to do this, as I can't seem to do this with the colour picker?
[10:43] <thoreauputic> we had a flood of people coming in and complaining about it ;)
[10:43] <Paganist> TraceyTux: shut up, everyone saw you
[10:43] <Paganist> moron :(
[10:43] <jesuel> lol
[10:43] <TraceyTux> Here's my next question! I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.  What's the hexadecimal number to do this, as I can't seem to do this with the colour picker?
[10:43] <TraceyTux> Here's my next question! I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.  What's the hexadecimal number to do this, as I can't seem to do this with the colour picker?
[10:43] <oneiFreak> TraceyTux, #000000
[10:43] <hawkman> first time even
[10:44] <TraceyTux> Here's my next question! I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.  What's the hexadecimal number to do this, as I can't seem to do this with the colour picker?
[10:44] <thoreauputic> Paganist: Ubuntu, Ubuntu my friend... look it up
[10:44] <TraceyTux> Here's my next question! I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.  What's the hexadecimal number to do this, as I can't seem to do this with the colour picker?
[10:44] <jesuel> omfg
[10:44] <jesuel> idiot
[10:44] <hawkman> can someone boot him ?
[10:44] <TraceyTux> Here's my next question! I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.  What's the hexadecimal number to do this, as I can't seem to do this with the colour picker?
[10:44] <Paganist> thoreauputic: means stupid people should keep on flooding ?
[10:44] <hawkman> just a troll
[10:44] <AndyR>   /ignore :)
[10:44] <thoreauputic> TraceyTux: OK, that's enough
[10:44] <MaRtIn_> stop already
[10:44] <oneiFreak> TraceyTux, try looking yourself, you're in windows.
[10:44] <mjr> there seriously needs to be some ops here
[10:44] <TraceyTux> Here's my next question! I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.  What's the hexadecimal number to do this, as I can't seem to do this with the colour picker?
[10:44] <SiRrUs> guys just put the kid on ignore
[10:45] <TraceyTux> Here's my next question! I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.  What's the hexadecimal number to do this, as I can't seem to do this with the colour picker?
[10:45] <Lindo> that's the stuff you get without ops in a channel :/
[10:45] <MaRtIn_> TraceyTux: stop already
[10:45] <MaRtIn_> TraceyTux: stop already
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Paganist: just no need or rudeness, that's all
[10:45] <alindeman> MaRtIn_: Just one sec
[10:45] <Paganist> :)
[10:45] <TraceyTux> Here's my next question! I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.  What's the hexadecimal number to do this, as I can't seem to do this with the colour picker?
[10:45] <thoreauputic> *for
[10:45] <dud> this isnt acceptable in any channel... sure you can ignore people... but its not fucking acceptable heh
[10:45] <Agrajag> ahahahahahaha
[10:45] <Lindo> got to love ignore ppl
[10:45] <jesuel> ...*chuckles*
[10:45] <Agrajag> k-lined
[10:45] <mjr> hoho
[10:45] <hawkman> Maybe not an op... but better :)
[10:45] <mjr> that was nice :)
[10:45] <Lindo> all vote me for op :D
[10:46] <dud> k-lined hehe
[10:46] <dud> talk about be owned *_*
[10:46] <dud> being
[10:46] <Lindo> btw is anyone in here having troubles with the ndiswrapper, can't get it to work :(
[10:46] <Octane> at the risk of sounding like an asshat, of the four, which kernel should i install
[10:46] <AndyR> TraceyTux, changed isp
[10:46] <CarlK> Lindo - I think i am using it
[10:47] <Agrajag> Octane: what processor do you have?
[10:47] <Octane> from the installer, i mean
[10:47] <nxsEbmil> hi
[10:47] <Octane> amd 1.8
[10:47] <Agrajag> then you should use the k7 kernel
[10:47] <Lindo> shit i got to go, maybe ill talk to ya later on CarlK
[10:47] <Lindo> :/
[10:47] <TraceyTux>  I want a teal background in Ubuntu, like the default Windows 95/98 desktop, and my Windows XP desktop.  What's the hexadecimal number to do this, as I can't seem to do this with the colour picker?
[10:47] <nxsEbmil> how can i assign a program to F12 fonction key ?
[10:47] <CarlK> see ya
[10:48] <jesuel> TraceyTux: ENOUGH, if someone dont answer you here, then go rftm and stfuplease
[10:48] <Pugio-Other> Question: GDM won't start and I can't figure out why
[10:48] <adam_> hello, I just got ubuntu, no idea what I'm doin
[10:48] <Octane> Agrajag im talk about from the options in the installer
[10:48] <Octane> telling me to choose a kernel of the 4
[10:48] <Agrajag> oh, I haven't seen the installer in ages
[10:48] <Agrajag> what 4 kernels are given as options?
[10:48] <thoreauputic>   /ignore TraceyTux
[10:49] <Octane> linux-image-386, linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386, linux-image-2.6-386 and linux-386
[10:49] <rapha> TraceyTux: if you like that teal I think what you need not is a hex number, but instead you shall go and see a psychologist.
[10:49] <Octane> im assumign linux-386 is a symlink to one of them?
[10:49] <Agrajag> uhm, I think those all install the same thing
[10:49] <Pugio-Other> GENERAL question does anyone have /usr/bin/gdm in thei system?
[10:49] <Agrajag> not a symlink, but a metapackage
[10:49] <Agrajag> I think linux-386 should do it
[10:49] <Pluk> Octane, you need linux-image-k7
[10:49] <Agrajag> after you install you should install linux-k7
[10:49] <jesuel> Pugio-Other, id say alot of us have it
[10:49] <thoreauputic> Pugio-Other: ~ $ which gdm
[10:49] <Agrajag> Pluk: that's not in the instakller
[10:49] <thoreauputic> /usr/bin/gdm
[10:49] <Octane> ill change my kernel later
[10:49] <Agrajag> installer
[10:50] <Pluk> ah
[10:50] <jesuel> Pugio-Other: have you tried /etc/init.d/gdm start?
[10:50] <Octane> thanks Agrajag , Pluk
[10:50] <piratePenguin> what package do I need to install to get the X11/StringDefs.h header file? I already have the X11 headers, but am missing StringDefs.h and other ones...
[10:50] <thoreauputic> Pugio-Other: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[10:51] <Octane> mmm grub
[10:51] <CarlK> Octane - hows the mount loop thing working out?
[10:51] <ImagistTD> does anybody know how to access grub to make changes during the install?
[10:51] <Octane> "rebooting my new ubuntu system"!!1
[10:51] <CarlK> right on
[10:51] <Octane> CarlK you are a genius among men
[10:51] <thoreauputic> dpkg -S StringDefs.h
[10:51] <thoreauputic> libxt-dev: /usr/X11R6/include/X11/StringDefs.h
[10:51] <Octane> K stands for krad
[10:51] <jesuel> ...
[10:51] <Pugio-Other> thoreauputic, ah hah! I don't have /usr/bin/gdm
[10:52] <CarlK> what version/setup and step were you on?
[10:52] <Pugio-Other> thoreauputic, no wonder /etc/init.d/gdm hasn't been working
[10:52] <Pugio-Other> Now HOW did I lose /usr/bin/gdm
[10:52] <jesuel> Pugio-Other, i ate it
[10:52] <piratePenguin> thoreauputic: thanks :D
[10:52] <thoreauputic> piratePenguin: dpkg -S is useful ;)
[10:53] <piratePenguin> thoreauputic: heh, yea.. thanks
[10:53] <jesuel> Pugio-Other: perhaps sudo apt-get install gdm
[10:53] <thoreauputic> :) you're welcome
[10:54] <TraceyTux> I've been on google and found the info I wanted - thanks for your help!
[10:54] <Pugio-Other> jesuel, yeah that's what I'm doing, but it's sooo weird
[10:54] <Pugio-Other> ok, now to the next issue
[10:54] <CarlK> anyone know what step of server-expert installs bsdutils?
[10:54] <Pugio-Other> sound isn't working on a n nforc2 AC97
[10:54] <Pugio-Other> anyone?
[10:54] <Octane> i get an error when i go to "set up users and passwords"
[10:54] <Octane> "passwd is not installed"
[10:54] <jesuel> now i have no idea about nforce2 :)
[10:55] <CarlK> Octane - warty or hoary?
[10:55] <Octane> warty
[10:55] <rellik> how can I find out what is using my sound (and blocking all other processes from using sound)? 'lsof /dev/dsp' says esd but who's using the esd?
[10:58] <ImagistTD> I'm trying to install linux on a Dell Inspiron 1100.  Whenever I get to "Loading Components of the Ubuntu Installer" the program hangs when it reaches " Retrieving nic-extra-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386-di".  I tried passing "pci=noacpi noapic" to the installer, but it didn't work.  I tried a few other combinations similar to that, and they didn't work either.  I also tried disabling the framebuffer as well, still no good.
[10:58] <ImagistTD> Is it possible to pass a parameter to the installer that will keep it from even trying to retrieve the module?
[10:58] <CarlK> ImagistTD - hit Alt-F4 (or f?) and see if it flips to a VT showing what it is doing
[10:58] <ImagistTD> If so, what parameter.
[10:59] <ImagistTD> Okay, I'll be back in just a second.
[11:06] <CarlK> I need a wiki topic that is better than RecoveryFromBadInstallCD
[11:07] <ImagistTD> Okay, I'm back.
[11:07] <CarlK> anyone good at editing this wiki? - I am not sure how I should add to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupHowTos ?
[11:08] <SiRrUs> well thats good
[11:09] <Khan> Hello
[11:09] <SiRrUs> hello
[11:09] <Khan> I was hoping I could get some help.
[11:09] <stijn_> hi
[11:10] <CarlK> Khan - you need to type somethings
[11:10] <CarlK> maybe read the screen too
[11:10] <Khan> I installed Ubuntu and started to boot it up for the first time afterwards.
[11:10] <ImagistTD> I hit Alt-F4 when the install started to hang.  The info was flashing by fast, but I did get "user.warn anna[4325]  WARNING **: bad md5sum
[11:10] <farruinn> ImagistTD: bad disc maybe?
[11:11] <CarlK> damm, tis the day for bad cd's
[11:11] <Khan> Then it stopped at "Starting hotplug subsystem" and wouldnt go any farther.
[11:11] <Zotnix> Khan, did you try rebooting once more? Ubuntu got stuck on me on that... then it never did again.
[11:11] <ImagistTD> farruin: I don't think so
[11:11] <|junit|> Hello
[11:11] <ImagistTD> i'll reburn it though
[11:11] <Khan> Yes I tried rebooting a couple times.
[11:12] <ImagistTD> CarlK: to add to the wiki, you have to sign up
[11:12] <petterah> this ubuntu enterprise edition, any info on it?
[11:12] <Zotnix> khaled, do you have any external USB devices attached the your computer?
[11:13] <|junit|> Is the Hoary install CD confirmed faulty?
[11:13] <CarlK> no - just 3 bad burns
[11:13] <SiRrUs> |junit| the array 4 iso is fine
[11:15] <ImagistTD> seeyas, off to try my new burn
[11:16] <Cerbeertje> bye
[11:17] <|junit|> SiRrUs: Well, it didn't work for me and one other guy, it installs the base files, but then it doesn't continue the install after reboot, it just goes to aptitue
[11:17] <|junit|> aptitude
[11:18] <SiRrUs> |junit| i just installed array 4 and i think it works :)
[11:18] <farruinn> |junit|: I've seen that happen.  just install ubuntu-desktop or some metapackage that will pull in everything else you need
[11:20] <ImagistTD> nope, the new cd didn't work
[11:20] <|junit|> And one more question regarding partitioning... does it matter if a partition is logical or primary =/, what is the difference?
[11:20] <Pugio-Other> hi, I can't get my sound working on Warty using an nforce2 AC97
[11:20] <ImagistTD> is there any way to control which modules are retrieved by the installer?
[11:20] <Pugio-Other> any ideas?
[11:21] <farruinn> ImagistTD: have you tried 'expert'? that gives you some control
[11:22] <ImagistTD> yeah, I tried expert, but I didn't know what I was doing, so it didn't help much
[11:22] <Pugio-Other> on warty, the sound control bar just keeps stayint at 0 any attempts to raise it do not wokr
[11:22] <hitu_> hello
[11:22] <ImagistTD> farruin: as far as I coult tell, there was no way to set which modules loaded
[11:22] <CarlK> anyone up on MoinMoin markup?
[11:23] <hitu_> i m tryin extract a .rar
[11:23] <sgteich> Is there a way to change my screen resolution to 1600X1280 - It's not listed under system config - screen resolution - I did add it to my XF86Config file.....
[11:23] <ImagistTD> I've been trying to install warty, and it hasn't been working
[11:23] <hitu_> i dont have rar/unrar installed
[11:23] <bascule> unrar x that.rar
[11:23] <ImagistTD> is it worth a try to try hoary?
[11:23] <hitu_> can i use tar to extract it ?
[11:23] <bascule> no
[11:23] <randabis> hitu_, you need unrar-nonfree
[11:23] <hitu_> i tried installing rar/unrar
[11:23] <Cerbeertje> Why can't i play my Divx movies with totem in Ubuntu?
[11:23] <Pugio-Other> anyone? sound with an nforce2 on warty?
[11:24] <bascule> Cerbeertje: win32-codec and ffmpeg4
[11:24] <randabis> Pugio-Other, dunno...worked ootb for me with nforce2 audio...soundstorm though
[11:24] <hitu_> okay
[11:24] <bascule> ffmpeg-gstreamer or something like that apt-cache search them
[11:24] <Cerbeertje> ok thx bascule
[11:24] <bascule> np
[11:25] <hitu_> ebag: Couldn't find package unrar-nonfree
[11:25] <randabis> hitu_, might be in multiverse
[11:25] <hitu_> multiverse ?
[11:25] <hitu_> i tried apt-get install rar unrar
[11:25] <randabis> yep, another repo
[11:26] <Octane> im getting a million errors
[11:26] <hitu_> can u give me a link to the repo list ?
[11:26] <randabis> add multiverse to your universe lines in sources.list
[11:26] <hitu_> okay
[11:26] <blah09> hi i upgraded to hoary on another machine, now i get the following error when logging into gnome: your session only lasted less than 10 seconds, if you have not logged out yourself this could mean that there is some installation problem
[11:26] <randabis> then apt-get update
[11:26] <blah09> anyone know what might be causing that? nvidia drivers?
[11:26] <randabis> blah09, more than likely an x-config issue
[11:27] <Pugio-Other> randabis soundstrom?
[11:27] <Pluk> i had that last time the file .ICEauthority had root ownership
[11:27] <Pluk> removed that file fixed it
[11:27] <kent> blah09, i had that problem before. It was fixed later though. Perhaps you need to upgrade again? (slow mirror?)
[11:27] <blah09> hm
[11:27] <randabis> Pugio-Other, yes, the soundchip that comes with nforce 2 ultra 400 boards
[11:27] <blah09> ill try that
[11:27] <Pugio-Other> randabis oh
[11:28] <Lindo|away> blah09
[11:28] <blah09> ?
[11:28] <blah09> yep?
[11:28] <Lindo|away> i have the same problem !
[11:28] <blah09> hehe
[11:28] <randabis> omg u killed kenny
[11:28] <Lindo|away> don't know how to cure it ;(
[11:28] <blah09> did you get it fixed?
[11:28] <blah09> =(
[11:28] <Lindo|away> nope it's still there
[11:28] <blah09> it worked perfectly on my notebook
[11:28] <hitu_> cool
[11:28] <hitu_> it worked
[11:28] <hitu_> :D
[11:28] <hitu_> thanks randabis
[11:28] <randabis> you're welcome
[11:29] <Lindo|away> it only happened after i switched to ReiserFS, don't know if that is the cause :S
[11:29] <kent> blah09, it worked for me when i upgraded again later on. Do you use a mirror for ubuntu?
[11:29] <randabis> I use a comb
[11:29] <Lindo|away> blah09 what file system do you use ?
[11:29] <hitu_> plays Title: ( Klopfgeister - Traumpatrouille ) Time: ( 0:01/9:52 (0%) ) BitRate: ( 128 kbit/s - 44100 Hz )
[11:29] <blah09> i upgraded to array 4 from cd, then did an upgrade
[11:29] <Sav> Can i only use firestarter for 1 network device at a time?
[11:29] <blah09> reiserfs
[11:29] <Lindo|away> hmmm
[11:29] <randabis> upgrade? maybe a clean install would be better
[11:30] <blah09> hm
[11:30] <CarlK> does anyone here edit ubuntu wiki pages?  I can't find the formatting docs
[11:30] <Lindo> i'm going to see if i get the same problem with ext3
[11:30] <randabis> file system should not matter Lindo
[11:30] <Lindo> don't know what else to try
[11:30] <Lindo> hmmm
[11:30] <Octane> i dont understand why im getting so many errors'
[11:30] <blah09> odd thing is that it worked flawlessly on the notebook, warty-> hoary i mean
[11:30] <Octane> i have done nothing wrong!
[11:30] <Pugio-Other> what do you all use to play dvd's?
[11:31] <Pugio-Other> casuse totem doesn't work too well
[11:31] <blah09> pugio i use xine
[11:31] <kairo> humm.. evolution-exchange have's a bug on the libcamel1.2-3 :(
[11:31] <Lindo> same here blah09
[11:31] <Agrajag> xine
[11:31] <[amasimak] > mplayer
[11:31] <[amasimak] > totem-xine
[11:31] <randabis> blah09, upgrading is hit or miss...clean install usually gives the best results
[11:31] <blah09> lindo does your desktop have an nvidia card?
[11:31] <Octane> upgrading my packages fails via apt, i cant create a new user
[11:31] <blah09> oh =/
[11:31] <Pugio-Other> are those available through the normal apt-get for warty, or do I need to enable universae?
[11:31] <Octane> just a million and one things going wrong
[11:31] <Lindo> blah09 nope ati radeon
[11:31] <blah09> ok so its not the nvidia
[11:31] <blah09> drivers
[11:31] <Lindo> heh :P
[11:32] <[amasimak] > Pugio-Other, for totem-xine, you need universe
[11:32] <blah09> sound also doesnt work on that machine (intel high def), fresh install might be best
[11:32] <blah09> since hoary is supposed to support that out of the box
[11:32] <Lindo> i did a clean install followed directly with the upgrades and it still happened
[11:32] <blah09> oh
[11:32] <blah09> have you tried another wm?
[11:32] <randabis> Lindo, likely an x-config problem
[11:32] <Lindo> no blah09
[11:33] <CarlK> Octane - ta da: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RecoveryFromBadInstallCD
[11:33] <CarlK> and now, back to my sound fun
[11:33] <Lindo> anyway of taking care of it randabis ?
[11:33] <randabis> Lindo, one thing to try is to set your video driver to vesa in xorg.conf
[11:33] <hitu_> how do i search for files installed by a .deb ?
[11:34] <randabis> then when you have a working system you can install your fglrx drivers
[11:34] <Agrajag> dpkg-query -L I think
[11:34] <hitu_> ok
[11:34] <Agrajag> check the manual, I may be wrong
[11:34] <Lindo> very weird
[11:34] <hitu_> cool
[11:35] <neiras> Where do I report undetected hardware during installation?
[11:35] <tweek> to gravity
[11:35] <tweek> :)
[11:36] <tweek> nvm....
[11:36] <neiras> I wish :P
[11:36] <randabis> neiras, maybe bugzilla
[11:36] <neiras> Most ISA sound cards aren't noticed by the installer
[11:36] <neiras> randabis: thanks
[11:36] <tweek> why are you useing isa =\
[11:36] <Lindo> randabis don't know why it's happened. hoary was running great, with ext2. this mornin i did a format to ReiserFS and a clean reinstall, and now i cant get into gnome anymore...
[11:37] <randabis> try what I suggested
[11:37] <neiras> Because Ubuntu is bringing new life to old boxes of friends and family, tweek
[11:37] <tweek> neiras, try blue cat... i beleive its for older comps
[11:37] <Lindo> ok will do
[11:37] <Lindo> hope it'll work
[11:37] <neiras> tweek: Ubuntu works fine on these boxes - I am just trying to help with hardware detection
[11:37] <CarlK> I have hoary running on a compaq armada 7770 laptop, which has isa sound
[11:37] <tweek> ah
[11:37] <tweek> ok
[11:37] <neiras> hmm
[11:38] <neiras> CarlK, what chipset?
[11:38] <neiras> It's failed to recognize an original Creative SB16 and an ESS Audiodrive here
[11:38] <randabis> hmm weird...those should be detected
[11:38] <CarlK> ESS1878
[11:38] <neiras> Odd
[11:39] <randabis> you could modprobe them, verify they work, then add to /etc/modules
[11:39] <neiras> that's what I did to make them work in the end
[11:39] <randabis> they still should work ootb though I know :/
[11:39] <neiras> I just can't see why the installer wouldn't see them
[11:39] <randabis> yeah that sucks
[11:40] <neiras> Oh, also, there are 2 modules that fail loading (This is Warty) on every machine I've installed it on
[11:40] <neiras> And the boot splash doesn't work
[11:40] <CarlK> what does this imply: carl@ubuntu:~$ aplay -l; aplay: device_list:200: no soundcards found...
[11:40] <randabis> there is no bootsplash
[11:40] <neiras> oh, ok
[11:40] <randabis> only the livecd has that
[11:40] <neiras> assumed there would be
[11:40] <randabis> yeah
[11:40] <randabis> unfortunately hoary won't have one either
[11:41] <neiras> Compatibility concerns?
[11:41] <randabis> no, ubuntu's splash development fell off the rocker and just won't make it
[11:41] <CarlK> neiras - that is 2 words too many on that subject ;)
[11:41] <neiras> I heard Ubuntu was working on a kick-ass bootsplash thing that had transitions and other eye candy
[11:41] <sladen> mmm, yes,  That's be my fault
[11:41] <neiras> everyone was all thrilled
[11:42] <neiras> Ubuntu's really bringing some much-needed polish into things
[11:42] <neiras> great to see
[11:42] <randabis> I don't see why fbsplash can't be used
[11:42] <neiras> or gensplash
[11:42] <sladen> neiras: you can play with the v1 demo code.  http://www.paul.sladen.org/projects/usplash/download/  but the v2 code didn't make it for Hoary
[11:43] <neiras> sladen, thanks... I'll grab that tonight and have a look
[11:43] <sladen> randabis: fbsplash/gensplash didn't exist at the time we started trying to solve the problem!
[11:43] <randabis> gensplash rocks :)
[11:43] <randabis> sladen, ah
[11:44] <neiras> haha
[11:44] <neiras> So, how do I get a job at Canonical?
[11:44] <neiras> Will relocate and work for a pittance to be part of it :D
[11:44] <randabis> I sell your soul to mark shuttleworth lolz
[11:44] <neiras> geez
[11:44] <neiras> that sounds scary
[11:44] <randabis> it was a joke
[11:45] <INRSboy> first start with ubuntu
[11:45] <INRSboy> seems cool !!
[11:45] <neiras> Almost as scary as choosing Python over Ruby for the scripty language of choice
[11:45] <randabis> nice
[11:45] <randabis> neiras, indeed :p
[11:45] <neiras> Welcome, INRSboy
[11:45] <INRSboy> neirqs:thanks
[11:46] <randabis> it isn't too bad though...python is useful...just look at portage
[11:46] <neiras> I know, I'm a gentooist by night... I just can't stand working in it
[11:46] <CarlK> can I get some samples of $ aplay -l
[11:47] <CarlK> just pm me with the 5 or so lines.
[11:47] <neiras> I've been Rubying for two or three years now and I'm spoiled
[11:47] <randabis> hehe...gentoo here too...ubuntu is on the laptop, dual boot ubuntu and gentoo here (though that is going to change)
[11:47] <pauldaoust> hey, folks, this is a completely un-Ubuntu-related question, but I figured it would be the quickest place to get an answer: is anyone here from the UK?
[11:48] <randabis> yea I've heard awesome things about ruby
[11:48] <pauldaoust> (and, if so, what measurements for height and weight do you use most often? imperial or metric?)
[11:48] <Ribs> pauldaoust: At this time of night?
[11:48] <Ribs> Are you crazy?
[11:48] <randabis> they use metric iirc
[11:48] <pauldaoust> Ribs: it's only 10:00
[11:48] <Ribs> and we use feet and inches to measure a persons height
[11:48] <pauldaoust> (over there)
[11:48] <randabis> ah
[11:48] <pauldaoust> Ribs: who's we? American?
[11:48] <Ribs> British
[11:49] <Ribs> And it's quarter to eleven, for your information
[11:49] <randabis> so imperial
[11:49] <pauldaoust> whoa, confused
[11:49] <blah09> ok im back in gnome
[11:49] <pauldaoust> too many people talking to me :)
[11:49] <blah09> after doing an apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:49] <randabis> excellent
[11:49] <pauldaoust> Ribs: oh, I thought you guys were only nine hours ahead of us in the west :)
[11:49] <pauldaoust> I meant to say randabis: who's we (not Ribs)
[11:49] <Ribs> our clocks change twice a year
[11:49] <Ribs> the joys of daylight savings time
[11:50] <randabis> pauldaoust, I never said "we" I said they
[11:50] <Ribs> I said we
[11:50] <Ribs> as I'm British
[11:50] <lonewolff> thanx a lot for the help earlier people, i got my friend to upgrade to hoary and now sound works fine, just need to tackle the pcmcia issue tommorrow then we have another windows convert
[11:50] <Ribs> innit
[11:50] <CarlK> my clock changes every second ;)
[11:50] <pauldaoust> randabis: blast, you're right
[11:50] <pauldaoust> head spinning
[11:50] <CarlK> till the bettery runs out
[11:50] <Ribs> I'm really pale, and I throw teabags at people
[11:50] <pauldaoust> Ribs: sorry, I just have bad math. it's 2:50, and I only added seven istead of eight :)
[11:50] <Ribs> and call people 'wanker'
[11:50] <pauldaoust> Ribs: reeeeeeeally
[11:50] <pauldaoust> :)
[11:50] <Ribs> I'm a stereotype!
[11:51] <pauldaoust> Ribs: and I bet you put that strange chemical called 'petrol' into your car, right? :)
[11:51] <Ribs> yes
[11:51] <Ribs> our cars run of a liquid
[11:51] <Ribs> not a 'gas'
[11:51] <blah09> lol
[11:51] <pauldaoust> Ribs: too true, heh heh
[11:51] <Stereotype> Cars run off of vapors.-_-
[11:51] <Ribs> Little Britian is a very good documentary on British life
[11:51] <pauldaoust> Ribs: I'm only three generations Canadian myself, so there are still bits of English lingo running around in our family
[11:51] <INRSboy> i'm new on ubuntu and with debian distrib. Can some one tell me how to install a .deb package ?
[11:52] <lonewolff> Ribs: LOL
[11:52] <pauldaoust> we're the only people I know who still call our mothers 'mum'......
[11:52] <Pluk> INRSboy, dpkg -i package
[11:52] <Ribs> If people want to buy a pet, they go to a pet shop
[11:52] <Ribs> if people want to buy a pet shop, they go to a pet shop shop
[11:52] <INRSboy> Pluk:thank's
[11:52] <mattb_> i'm trying to setup a cellular modem pccard which i know is supported under linux
[11:52] <Ribs> if they want to buy a pet shop shop, they are just being filly
[11:52] <pauldaoust> Ribs: whoa
[11:52] <Pluk> yw
[11:52] <Ribs> silly*
[11:52] <Khan> Hello Everyone: A bit of a problem here. I got Ubuntu installed, no problem. BUT When I go to boot it up for the first time it stops the process at "Starting Hotplug Subsystem". I tried restarting a couple of times and it didnt work. Has anyone ever heard of this problem?
[11:52] <mattb_> and works successfully in 2.4 with pcmcia
[11:52] <nisse2> I need help here. Thin
[11:52] <mattb_> any pointers on how to do this in warty with hotplug?
[11:52] <pauldaoust> INRSboy: don't forget to put sudo before the command; you need administrator privileges to run dpkg -i
[11:53] <sladen> neiras: you don't need to relocate to work for Canonical
[11:53] <pauldaoust> Ribs: har har har
[11:53] <INRSboy> ok thank's
[11:53] <CarlK> can someone tell me why aplay -l gives me 3 entries? http://paste.phpfi.com/51445
[11:53] <neiras> sladen: Well, if I relocate can I still work there? I need a change in pace :)
[11:53] <nisse2> Either im stupid or just lame, or both.. Installed every extra packae now. gDesklet with ubuntu. It just dont get alon istalling it. usin the ./config
[11:53] <pauldaoust> Ribs: actually, embarrassed to say, most of my knowledge of British comes from my granny's Whizzer and Chips mags :)
[11:53] <Khan> Hello Everyone: A bit of a problem here. I got Ubuntu installed, no problem. BUT When I go to boot it up for the first time it stops the process at "Starting Hotplug Subsystem". I tried restarting a couple of times and it didnt work. Has anyone ever heard of this problem?
[11:54] <pauldaoust> Khan: what kind of motherboard?
[11:54] <joan> hi
[11:54] <Ribs> pauldaoust: You should come to Britain
[11:54] <lonewolff> Khan: in sure people saw your post the first tiem, if anyone know anything they will tell you
[11:54] <thundrcleeze> hi joan
[11:54] <Khan> Hmm I got a Dell. Lemme look up the Motherboard.
[11:54] <joan> do you know how can I install the new ati drivers?
[11:54] <sladen> neiras: everyone working for Canonical works from home, which ever country they're in
[11:54] <Ribs> get some coins, and throw them at old people
[11:54] <Ribs> It's good fun
[11:54] <pauldaoust> Ribs: is it really now :)
[11:54] <pauldaoust> titter
[11:55] <neiras> sladen: That's neat... I'm going to get my CV together and send it in for consideration.
[11:55] <Ribs> My g/f is American, so I can apprecate some of the differences in culture
[11:55] <pauldaoust> cool stuff
[11:55] <pauldaoust> Ribs: actually, I've been wanting to take a tour of Europe sometime soon... I know a few people here and there, and I'm sure I still have relatives living there.
[11:55] <Khan> Not sure on the motherboard. My documentation doesnt say.
[11:55] <Stereotype> Rule #1, don't get ATI with *nix.:)
[11:56] <pauldaoust> members of the illustrious and bloodthirsty Bourchier clan... a black mark against me, in my opinion :-/
[11:56] <neiras> sladen: Canonical's doing the kind of stuff I always dreamed of starting a company to do. ;)
[11:56] <mz2> hmm
[11:56] <Ribs> Stereotype: Well, that could be set to change, thankfully
[11:56] <Stereotype> Dell Mobos are propriatary, I thought.
[11:56] <|junit|> uh o =o
[11:56] <Ribs> Stereotype: ATI are actually putting some effort into Linux drivers now
[11:56] <|junit|> I just screwed up my GRUB somehow
[11:56] <|junit|> but I Got hoary to work
[11:56] <pauldaoust> We were the bad guys in 1066, and we were the bad guys in India, and we were the bad guys... oh lots of times :-/
[11:56] <Ribs> in a few months, ATI users should have decent drivers
[11:56] <mz2> i can't seem to be able to install gnome-blog with hoary because of a dependency problems
[11:57] <Stereotype> Ribs: Because they are threatened.:-p
[11:57] <mz2> python would need to be older than 2.4
[11:57] <sladen> neiras: you can work on Ubuntu without working for Canonical.  ...I sometimes manage that when I remember
[11:57] <pauldaoust> Khan: it's a relatively new computer though?
[11:57] <Khan> pauldaoust: Nope, About a year and a half old.
[11:57] <|junit|> Anyone want to help me get GRUB to work, or point me in the right direction?
[11:57] <mz2> but i do have python 2.3 installed as well
[11:57] <joan> so u know how can I install them?
[11:57] <neiras> sladen: Yeah, I am just working on getting a feel for the Ubuntu community and projects... I'll be doing that regardless I think, but I'd love to do it full time
[11:58] <kandinski> paul!
[11:58] <neiras> sladen: Eating is important
[11:58] <kandinski> hi sladen!
[11:58] <pauldaoust> kandinski?
[11:58] <kandinski> yep
[11:58] <pauldaoust> kandinski: hi!!!
[11:58] <pauldaoust> (do I know you? ^_^)
[11:58] <|junit|> I get an error 22
[11:58] <kandinski> Paul sladen, not you!
[11:58] <kandinski> but hey anyway
[11:58] <pauldaoust> kandinski: heh, sorry, wrong paul :)
[11:58] <pauldaoust> Khan: new enough anyway... hmmmm... you might check for kernel messages... if characters appear on your screen even after it hangs, you could try going Control-Alt-F1, Control-Alt-F2, etc; the kernel messages should be somewhere around Control-Alt-F10 or -F11
[11:59] <pauldaoust> Khan: this might give you a hint as to what's wrong... of course, if you're new to Linux, the messages might be rather cryptic :-S
[11:59] <Khan> :P Yeah Im fairly new to Linux